| 00:01.15 | cafuego | sh/mpg321/cdrecord |
| 00:01.38 | tim | actually i think i spoke too soon |
| 00:01.39 | cafuego | brasero (bit awful, but usually works) |
| 00:01.46 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: did you change it? |
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| 00:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, yes... ,not a lot, though |
| 00:02.07 | tim | can i inspect the compiled module to see the version magic info somehow? |
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| 00:02.18 | simonrvn | modinfo foo |
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| 00:02.26 | tim | aha, thanks! |
| 00:02.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, and privately, didn't remember how to do substitutes, so I replaced the whole |
| 00:02.28 | beardy | And cdrecord is wodim. |
| 00:02.32 | simonrvn | or strings file | less |
| 00:02.43 | tim | fuck it, yeah, still using the wrong gcc |
| 00:02.50 | tim | i may kludge those symlinks i think |
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| 00:06.10 | kingsley | About how much disk space is needed to install unstable, kde, iceweasel, java and flash? |
| 00:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | gavi, hehe - see, still not sure what you want - if you're setting up your own dns servers... do you have outside wossname... pointers to them that make them the valid choice for your IPs or will it just work for "internal machines"? |
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| 00:07.47 | guysoft42 | hey, is there a package in debian that will provide python-gconf ? |
| 00:08.02 | gavi | CutMeOwnThroat, i am not sure what ur asking.. ive donethis with windows.. now im trying with linux |
| 00:08.14 | gavi | i simply want both nameservers and hosting from one computer |
| 00:08.30 | gavi | no pointeres no wossname whatever it is |
| 00:08.35 | tim | gah! bloody hell, still gcc-4.1 |
| 00:08.40 | tim | this is crazy |
| 00:08.59 | tim | i'm doing a make-kpkg modules_clean before recompiling |
| 00:09.04 | enouf | Frygg: try checking top, or install htop to see if anything is pinning your CPU when that happens, also have you plugged/replugged the mouse when this occurs? - Also, instead of rebooting, try other things, such as restarting only your DE (gnome, kde, whatever) - or do; telinit 1, then; telinit 2 ... or restart your DM (ex; "/etc/init.d/gdm restart") .. run udevadm to see if any messages are created when you unplug/plug in mouse again afte |
| 00:09.04 | enouf | freezes |
| 00:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | tim, are you using kp... ah, yes make-kpkg |
| 00:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tim, did you check it's manpage? :) |
| 00:09.29 | tim | i skimmed it :-) |
| 00:09.30 | tim | sorry |
| 00:09.37 | tim | am i missing something really stupid and obcious |
| 00:09.41 | tim | s/c/v/ |
| 00:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | tim, I remember having the same problem, but I dont remember it being hard |
| 00:10.00 | stew | tim: you can't compile this ont he target system? |
| 00:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | tim, actually, if I may paste from the manpage: % MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" make-kpkg ... |
| 00:10.21 | tim | aha :-) |
| 00:10.22 | tim | thanks |
| 00:10.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | tim, that's ~ line 20 :) |
| 00:10.33 | tim | sorry guys |
| 00:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | RTFM! ;) |
| 00:10.58 | tim | hah |
| 00:11.02 | tim | yeah, pone day i'll learn |
| 00:11.09 | tim | s/p// |
| 00:11.15 | tim | sorry about that |
| 00:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | could have saved you ... what... an hour? :) |
| 00:11.20 | stew | make every day pone day |
| 00:11.27 | tim | hahahaha |
| 00:11.30 | enouf | Frygg: i'm guessing a lot here .. sigh ..i mean, you could use sdparm |
| 00:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry I didn't come up with it earlier.... |
| 00:11.43 | enouf | Frygg: oh, well - nm the sdparm thing for now .. |
| 00:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, what element is nm? |
| 00:12.04 | Frygg | i use kde |
| 00:12.11 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: NeiderMeyer :-p |
| 00:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ouch |
| 00:12.26 | tim | more like 5 |
| 00:12.28 | tim | at least |
| 00:12.30 | tim | :-) |
| 00:12.51 | tim | i spent a lot of that searching for openafs docs and mailing list posts |
| 00:13.00 | tim | but there doesn't seem to be all that much |
| 00:13.06 | tim | hah |
| 00:13.09 | tim | next time |
| 00:13.15 | tim | man foo before anything else :-) |
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| 00:13.44 | tim | alias $1= man $1 && $1 perhaps |
| 00:13.53 | tim | :-) |
| 00:14.11 | tim | although.... |
| 00:14.24 | tim | modinfo's still claiming gcc-4.1 |
| 00:14.35 | tim | this is getting silly now |
| 00:14.44 | enouf | tim: using full path? |
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| 00:14.49 | tim | aah |
| 00:15.21 | tim | ...yeah :-( |
| 00:15.37 | tim | is there any way i might not be cleaning the old build completely before rebuilding? |
| 00:15.48 | tim | modinfo /lib/modules/2.6.18.8-linode10/fs/openafs.ko |
| 00:15.48 | tim | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.18.8-linode10/fs/openafs.ko |
| 00:15.48 | tim | license: http://www.openafs.org/dl/license10.html |
| 00:15.48 | tim | vermagic: 2.6.18.8-linode10 SMP mod_unload Xen PENTIUM4 REGPARM gcc-4.1 |
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| 00:16.20 | enouf | tim: out of tree compiled modules might be in /usr/src/modules/ /extra? i mean modinfo would likely check /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ as does modprobe |
| 00:16.24 | tim | is an idiot, sorry all |
| 00:16.31 | tim | aha |
| 00:17.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | tim, hehe... see, even reading and memorizing "man make-kpkg" would have taken less than 5 hours :) |
| 00:17.45 | thejetset | Does anyone know why my debian install has started randomly going into 'maintenance mode' |
| 00:17.59 | enouf | you need a fsck on / ? |
| 00:18.14 | enouf | your HDD is going tits up? |
| 00:18.18 | thejetset | enouf how do i do that on mounted drives |
| 00:18.24 | thejetset | or how do i do it? |
| 00:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, that's not random, though :) |
| 00:18.43 | cafuego | you don't do that on mounted drives if you want to keep your data |
| 00:18.55 | thejetset | how do i do it then? |
| 00:19.00 | Frygg | enouf, htop result : (1) 36.0% (2) 84.8% (Mem) 549/2027 (Swp) 0/1929 |
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| 00:19.12 | enouf | thejetset: i'd do it on reboot - touch /forcefsck then reboot as usual |
| 00:19.32 | cafuego | You go into single user mode (so it need to be local) and then remount / as reead-only. *than* you can run fsck on it. |
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| 00:19.50 | cafuego | touch /forcefsck then reboot is possily a bit safer |
| 00:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, are you sure you can remount ro in single user mode if it's already mounted rw? |
| 00:19.59 | thejetset | i will do that |
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| 00:20.10 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, I am sure |
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| 00:20.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, are you SURE you're sure? :) |
| 00:20.29 | cafuego | 100% |
| 00:20.35 | thejetset | thanks guys |
| 00:20.46 | enouf | Frygg: what is 1 and 2? CPU cores? |
| 00:20.59 | Frygg | yess |
| 00:21.04 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: `mount' may not correctly report the mounted status, but it will happy remount as ro and deny write access :-) |
| 00:21.08 | Malf | I'm running low on space on one of my partitions and looking to resize partitions. Is something like parted relatively safe to remove from one partition and grow another or am I better off just doing a full backup, resizing as needed, and restoring from the backup? |
| 00:21.09 | tim | oh fuck, i think i did something really moronic |
| 00:21.11 | Frygg | (i play svencoop :D) |
| 00:21.18 | tim | forgot to dpkg -i the module i'd built |
| 00:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, what I remember is, that root is dropped into a bash and bash uses /root as working directory, which... is seen as a write-access opened file, preventing remounting as ro |
| 00:21.26 | tim | sorry everyone for the waste of time |
| 00:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, but I'm not going to reboot into S just to test if that changed from my last experience |
| 00:22.03 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: cd / ftw |
| 00:22.15 | tim | hah! yeah that did it |
| 00:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, / is also in / |
| 00:22.18 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: Anyway, I've done this many times, it works fine. |
| 00:22.18 | tim | sorry, and thanks |
| 00:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | tim, haha :) |
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| 00:23.05 | tim | it was a find / -name openafs* and an "oh shit, that file ending in .deb looks familiar from last time i did it" |
| 00:23.09 | tim | slaps forehead |
| 00:23.33 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: it'll refuse to UNmount if a file or dir is open... but remounting specifically circumvents that problem. |
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| 00:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, ok... if you say so... I remember being annoyed on several occasions because I couldn't remount / - it's kind of stupid that working directory can prevent a remount |
| 00:24.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, yes, that's how it should be - in practice, I'm really sure I've seen it prevent a remount as ro |
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| 00:24.26 | cafuego | I shall boot one of the VMs and double-double-doucle verify it for you |
| 00:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, actually, I should be able to remount / right now in multiuser mode if that was true |
| 00:24.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, no need :) |
| 00:24.46 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: it'll have files open for *writing* |
| 00:25.06 | cafuego | the thing with mode S is that it won't have files open for wroiting, only reading |
| 00:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, well, so? on a remount, there should be a sync and all further writes should fail - the same as would happen when the disk is full |
| 00:25.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that I'd see as "sane behavior" |
| 00:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, and no need to check - chances are we're talking of something slightly different... at least maybe |
| 00:26.16 | cafuego | you can take that up with the occupants of lkml <heh> |
| 00:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, I think though, that I've not booted directly into single-user, but went from multi-user to single-user... if that makes any difference |
| 00:26.49 | cafuego | Nope, should be identical |
| 00:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | *should* |
| 00:27.02 | cafuego | testing it RIGHT now |
| 00:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:27.12 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: S != runlevel 1, nor single user mode - and no it's not the same cafuego |
| 00:27.25 | stew | if he was dropped into maintainence mode during startup, it was probably because of a failed fsck and before / was mounted rw anyway |
| 00:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, to that I can agree wholeheartedly :) |
| 00:27.47 | cafuego | Logged into gnome, shutting down gdm ... |
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| 00:28.19 | cafuego | just ran 'sudo init 1' |
| 00:28.57 | cafuego | fsck -f / says "IT's MOUNTED READ-WRITE!!!" |
| 00:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, 1 is single-user ... and S is what's done in single user... according to /etc/inittab |
| 00:29.15 | cafuego | mount -n -o remount,ro / |
| 00:29.22 | cafuego | fsck -f / works fine, whinges not |
| 00:29.30 | enouf | All i know is rcS.d is run once only on boot, runlevel reports S when one does telinit 1, but that;s a misnomer |
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| 00:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, ok |
| 00:29.46 | stew | i had fsck on some redhat machine actually call me a BONEHEAD when i was fscking /home while it was mounted ro |
| 00:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:30.13 | cafuego | waits for fsck to run on emulated raid1 on a vmware guest :-( |
| 00:30.21 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: maintenance mode boot - or 'single' as a kernel param automatically mounts ro, IINM |
| 00:30.40 | mu-dev | I was just now thinking about installing gnumeric... tried... apt-get wanted to pull in this whole shitload of gtk packages; I'm running kde right now... is there a spreadsheet app for kde? |
| 00:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, there was no need for fsck - "echo >a" would have done it - also, the remount normally gives you an error |
| 00:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, "single" doesn't, I think |
| 00:31.27 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: The remount did not give an error. I've never seen it do that. Well, it would if you had submounts you forgot to unmount first. |
| 00:31.39 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: yes it does - hence the secondary grub entry for each kernel |
| 00:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, |
| 00:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | # mount / -o remount,ro |
| 00:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mount: / is busy |
| 00:31.53 | cafuego | touch: cannot touch `/foo': Read-only filesystem |
| 00:32.17 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: What do you have running? |
| 00:32.25 | mu-dev | I think you need the options first |
| 00:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, everything :) - I just wanted to show you that there is such an error |
| 00:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and how it looked like |
| 00:32.56 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: the lines in menu.lst like; title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (recovery mode) <--note the 'single' in the kernel line |
| 00:32.56 | mu-dev | most commands work that way unless an option can have specific impact on an argument |
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| 00:32.59 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: I DO get that *IF* a file is open for writing on /. |
| 00:33.18 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: if you got to init 1, that should not be the case, so you CAN remount ro, and thus run fsck. |
| 00:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mu-dev, "apt-cache search spread --names-only" ? |
| 00:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mu-dev, "kspread" from that? |
| 00:34.35 | mu-dev | cool... is it any good? :) well I don't need "good" for my present purpose... I'll try it |
| 00:34.47 | Frygg | enouf > kdm restart dont resolve mousse problem |
| 00:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, I'm not running things in vm's, so I'm not gonna try :) |
| 00:34.52 | mu-dev | thanks |
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| 00:35.11 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: I've been doing this for well over a decade on bare metal, it's always worked fine. |
| 00:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've done it a couple of times and cursed heavily on its failing every time :) |
| 00:36.02 | mu-dev | kspread wants mysql and pg client libs... any idea why? |
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| 00:36.15 | cafuego | mu-dev: They are listed as depends. |
| 00:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, bare metal? You got metal keyboards? :) |
| 00:36.52 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: What else do I beat the code monkeys with? |
| 00:36.55 | mu-dev | any idea why the program needs those? what features do they support? |
| 00:37.22 | mu-dev | I'll find out eventually I suppose... |
| 00:37.26 | cafuego | it's kde, who knows |
| 00:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, actually, mysql is not in the direct depends... |
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| 00:37.46 | abrotman | mu-dev: it's just libs .. not a big deal |
| 00:37.53 | grim | anyone else having some major issues with icedove on sid? |
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| 00:38.19 | grim | like, can't send mail, or switch folders, and so on? |
| 00:38.21 | stew | grim: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:38.23 | mu-dev | I understand, and you're right, I don't consider it a big deal either |
| 00:39.04 | grim | stew: i know how to search the bts, just thought this might be a bigger issue, thus i might get a faster response by asking directly |
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| 00:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | how does this aptitude why stuff work if you want to use it for a package you've not already installed? |
| 00:39.25 | mu-dev | it looks good... |
| 00:39.50 | stew | grim: if there isn't a bug about it, report one |
| 00:40.12 | grim | stew: that's a crazy idea... :P |
| 00:41.30 | enouf | Frygg: ok, was worth a try i guess .. anything other than rebooting - i'm going to guess your ports are sleeping (or suspending so to speak) .. but i've only known about that causing externally attached USB drives to suddenly stop working, and they cannot be restarted |
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| 00:42.11 | enouf | Frygg: but that also was an earlier kernel version issue - shouldn't be an issue for yours, but .. |
| 00:42.29 | abrotman | judd: hi |
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| 00:43.11 | judd | abrotman: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. |
| 00:44.06 | d-b | judd is a bot. |
| 00:44.07 | judd | d-b: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
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| 00:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... don't play with the bot, guys :) |
| 00:49.01 | enouf | Frygg: for whatever it's worth, this thread explains the issue i just mentioned, it does involve the host controller disconnecting/resetting the devices, etc http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/14/187 it's the only somewhat similar thing that i can think od |
| 00:49.15 | enouf | s/od/of |
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| 00:52.39 | adrenaline | what file do I edit in debian to change the hostname? |
| 00:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hostname |
| 00:52.49 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 00:53.05 | adrenaline | Thanks |
| 00:53.11 | abrotman | d-b: what? NO?! |
| 00:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | points at abrotman and shouts "bot! bot!" |
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| 00:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | adrenaline, mind, that you can't really change the FQN, as that is determined by your DNS server |
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| 00:56.29 | adrenaline | That is cool it is a desktop |
| 00:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/fqn/fqdn/ |
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| 00:57.45 | adrenaline | reboot needed bbiab |
| 00:58.16 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: only if it's dhcp |
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| 00:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, ? |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | ! |
| 00:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? in "what did you mean with that" |
| 00:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/in/as in/ |
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| 00:59.20 | abrotman | you can have your own dns and call it whatever you'd like |
| 00:59.38 | jey_ | so uhh |
| 00:59.43 | jey_ | should I install debian? |
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| 01:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, but as nobody beside your own machine will use the DNS, it will still eb quite useless |
| 01:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jey_, what answer do you expect from #debian? |
| 01:00.52 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: same with hostname |
| 01:01.05 | jey_ | CutMeOwnThroat: :P |
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| 01:01.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yes - so you can't really set the FQDN... except if you control the DNS server that is assigned to your IP range |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | right you can't set anything! it's all up to verisign! |
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| 01:02.43 | dustybin | does apache2 run in a chroot? or should one use this directive in ones apache2.config: SecChrootDir /chroot/apache |
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| 01:05.51 | hatter | !webmin |
| 01:05.51 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 01:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell hatter -about msg the bot |
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| 01:08.22 | jpwhiting|laptop | hi all, I'm using lenny, but want to install a dev package from sid |
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| 01:08.46 | jpwhiting|laptop | another developer said I could add sid repository but pin so lenny is preferred, anyone know how to do that? |
| 01:11.08 | jey_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pinning |
| 01:11.21 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 01:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, mr dpkg does |
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| 01:11.48 | enouf | it's Ms |
| 01:12.03 | enouf | !spank CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:12.03 | dpkg | bends CutMeOwnThroat over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 01:12.07 | zinx | please, it's Mrs now |
| 01:12.12 | enouf | bah |
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| 01:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 01:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ignore enouf |
| 01:12.32 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, enouf" |
| 01:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 01:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
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| 01:12.52 | mad_muppet | Im having trouble getting my xwindows to work .. is there a channel I can talk to someone about it? |
| 01:12.55 | enouf | haha! her! |
| 01:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone mustve change that recently, though |
| 01:13.54 | enouf | mad_muppet: i'm going to guess you mean the X server? |
| 01:14.07 | mad_muppet | enouf: yes |
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| 01:14.25 | enouf | mad_muppet: ask here - if you are indeed using debian |
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| 01:15.04 | jhamlin | CutMeOwnThroat: many thanks |
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| 01:16.14 | mad_muppet | yes Im using debian .. I installed the x server and it failed when I tried startx .. I tried reconfiguring and got the same thing .. I think its something to do with the fonts |
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| 01:16.28 | enouf | !fixed |
| 01:16.29 | dpkg | somebody said fixed font was if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 01:17.00 | mad_muppet | thanks Ill try that now ..:D |
| 01:19.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | mad_muppet, put the error from /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a paster... |
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| 01:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or paste the single line from all that output, that you see as relevant here |
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| 01:20.40 | abrotman | mad_muppet: aptitude install xorg |
| 01:20.50 | mad_muppet | CutMeOwnThroat: no need I have got it working with enoufs help |
| 01:20.57 | mad_muppet | it was the fonts |
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| 01:21.10 | mad_muppet | thanks for the help I appreciate it |
| 01:21.22 | jpwhiting|laptop | CutMeOwnThroat: thx |
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| 01:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, ha - amazing, I'd have bet it was that (irrelevant) type1-font error he was referring to :) |
| 01:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you already got your prize, though - only 1/day |
| 01:23.42 | enouf | !pony me |
| 01:23.42 | dpkg | gives enouf a pony |
| 01:23.52 | enouf | :-P |
| 01:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | a phony? :) |
| 01:24.03 | enouf | !nopony CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:24.03 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 01:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, that's SO mean |
| 01:25.09 | hatter | !moo |
| 01:25.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 01:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !britsmite enouf |
| 01:29.03 | dpkg | takes away enouf's yorkshire pudding |
| 01:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | there |
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| 01:38.41 | click | hi, got a peculiar problem with tomcat5.5-admin on debian etch - getting an error pointing out that there's an issue with the Struts-install (also from base packages) |
| 01:38.44 | click | " SEVERE: Servlet.service() for servlet admin.login_jsp threw exception " |
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| 01:40.10 | click | and |
| 01:40.13 | click | " SEVERE: Unable to initialize Struts ActionServlet due to an unexpected exception or error thrown, so marking the servlet as unavailable. Most likely, this is due to an incorrect or missing library dependency. " |
| 01:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps look at what packages this one recommends? |
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| 01:41.37 | click | installed packages are 5.5, 5.5-admin, 5.5-webapps and the libstruts1.2-java |
| 01:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | or find out what specific file is missing and use apt-file to see if a package provides it |
| 01:42.13 | click | # dpkg -l | grep -i struts |
| 01:42.13 | click | ii libstruts1.2-java 1.2.9-1 Java Framework for MVC web applications |
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| 01:42.25 | vvd | i wonder if anyone knows of a case where someone with a new idea decided to go open source implementing this idea and then someone stole the codebase releasing it before the original author has released something. |
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| 01:43.09 | click | vvd: would be hard to prove without proper documentation.... |
| 01:43.14 | vvd | or is is that common or uncommon? |
| 01:43.57 | poonj | hey guys...I'm running into some trouble. I had a software raid-0 setup with 2 HDs and not sure if one of the drives died. I am in knoppix trying to see if the drives are working still. I tried remounting the raid using mdadm, but it claims the superblock on one of the drives does not exist. is that something I could repair? |
| 01:45.31 | vvd | click: what do you mean would be hard to prove and what proper documentation? |
| 01:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 01:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !raid0 |
| 01:45.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608 |
| 01:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds nice :) |
| 01:46.22 | poonj | CutMeOwnThroat, I understand that... |
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| 01:46.42 | stoned | man its freezing outside |
| 01:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !superblock |
| 01:47.16 | dpkg | The Superblock contains a description of the basic size and shape of the file system. See http://www.science.unitn.it/~fiorella/guidelinux/tlk/node97.html for more info. |
| 01:47.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so is this ext2? |
| 01:47.25 | click | vvd: is the "new" solution a proprietary non-opensource solution, when was the opensource version started or initialized as an idea, is it held with copyright, can the idea be reused/reimplemented without breaking any existing patents etc etc etc |
| 01:47.26 | poonj | ext3 |
| 01:47.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok.. "same thing" |
| 01:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | the link only shows how the superblock should look like... |
| 01:48.19 | poonj | is it something you can repair? |
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| 01:49.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | poonj, http://www.brunolinux.com/04-The_File_System/Damaged_Superblock.html |
| 01:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | page says: yes, if you got a backup |
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| 01:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | (of the superblock) |
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| 01:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... there are several copies, so... yes? |
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| 01:51.32 | poonj | I'm trying to do it in knoppix |
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| 01:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | poonj, your setup probably doesn't make it easier, though... |
| 01:51.48 | poonj | but it keeps saying my device is busy |
| 01:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, stupid me, I can't try any of this as I don't have any ext[23] fs' |
| 01:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | poonj, but did knoppix assemble your raid? |
| 01:54.50 | poonj | nope |
| 01:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds dangerous to me to fsck the "half-drive" |
| 01:55.33 | poonj | yeah |
| 01:55.44 | poonj | but it wont' boot anymore either, so I'm pretty screwed |
| 01:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should be able to assemble it, though |
| 01:56.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 01:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have enough space, backup both disks by copying them completely |
| 01:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you could try to copy the superblock with dd from 32768 to 0 |
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| 01:57.17 | poonj | for some reason, I can't mount any of the hard drives in knoppix |
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| 01:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | only should know how big the superblock is... |
| 01:57.23 | poonj | let me try a linux boot disk |
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| 01:57.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | no wonder... |
| 01:57.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext[23]fs won't mount without superblock |
| 01:57.48 | poonj | yeah |
| 01:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:58.06 | anonident | anyone know a good tutorial for a software raid setup in debian |
| 01:58.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 01:58.15 | poonj | let me see what I can do in another boot disk |
| 01:58.15 | poonj | brb |
| 01:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | anonident, you weren't specific enough, though |
| 01:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 01:59.01 | pgpkeys | testing, please ignore |
| 01:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you're getting one for SATA |
| 01:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and |
| 01:59.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !software raid |
| 01:59.57 | dpkg | methinks software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
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| 02:16.43 | click | hohum? is tomcat5.5-admin deprecated as administrative package due to security-concerns? |
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| 02:34.30 | AMDpenguin | I did a tombstone piledriver to tux |
| 02:34.49 | chomwitt | hi. i noticed that suse,ubuntu,redhat have lists with their ''contibutions'' to software projects. I'd like to ask if there is meaning in a list like that in making some argument and whether anyone knows if thereis one or should be? one for debian. I have the links here: http://pastebin.ca/1251431 |
| 02:34.59 | Lagbolt | AMDpenguin, but did you get the 3 second pin? |
| 02:35.04 | AMDpenguin | Yup |
| 02:35.07 | AMDpenguin | Tux is weak |
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| 02:35.30 | AMDpenguin | But the windows logo took forever to pin but i won, the BSD demon was easy too |
| 02:36.23 | Lagbolt | doesnt count if its your box. . . you might have rigged the fight |
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| 02:37.55 | abrotman | AMDpenguin: do you ahve a Debian question? |
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| 02:38.04 | AMDpenguin | yeah |
| 02:38.05 | nocho | Hello dear colleagues |
| 02:38.11 | nocho | I have a question |
| 02:38.11 | AMDpenguin | Why dosent Debian release more |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | AMDpenguin: go troll somewhere else |
| 02:38.19 | nocho | Where can I find information officer of the functioning of ext3? |
| 02:38.37 | AMDpenguin | ext3 sucks |
| 02:38.39 | AMDpenguin | ntfs owns it |
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| 02:39.05 | abrotman | nocho: you want ext3 documentation ? |
| 02:39.25 | nocho | yeah |
| 02:39.27 | nocho | i want to know the inner workings |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | there's documentation in the kernel tree |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | or ask ##kernel |
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| 02:40.07 | nocho | ok tnks abrotman |
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| 03:17.54 | Ben_Pang | I installed package "libsasl2-modules-ldap",way not list on saslpluginviewer command? |
| 03:18.03 | Ben_Pang | I installed the package "libsasl2-modules-ldap",way not list on saslpluginviewer command? |
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| 03:18.12 | Ben_Pang | I installed the package "libsasl2-modules-ldap",way not listing on saslpluginviewer command? |
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| 03:19.00 | abrotman | Ben_Pang: stop repeating .. that's really annoying |
| 03:19.26 | abrotman | x86: man apt.conf .. there's a bit about using a proxy |
| 03:19.36 | Ben_Pang | can you help me? |
| 03:19.36 | Ben_Pang | abzotman |
| 03:19.39 | x86 | cool thanks |
| 03:19.54 | Ben_Pang | can you help me abrotman? |
| 03:20.07 | abrotman | !search |
| 03:20.07 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 03:20.38 | PeterFA | Anyone know how to make Pulseaudio and Flash play together on Lenny? |
| 03:20.45 | PeterFA | I've been trying for sometime now. |
| 03:20.47 | teratoma_ | i get this error when booting, brand new install, what should i do ? http://tinyurl.com/4aezgl |
| 03:21.56 | teratoma_ | so how do i file a bug for the aacraid driver + lenny ? |
| 03:23.04 | abrotman | !tell teratoma_ about reportbug |
| 03:23.58 | kmeyer | hi, what's ITP/RFP stand for? |
| 03:24.13 | abrotman | kmeyer: Intent To Package/Request For Package |
| 03:24.14 | slamFIST | is 4.0r5 a current or a stable release? |
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| 03:24.22 | abrotman | it is the current stable release |
| 03:24.27 | slamFIST | thanks |
| 03:24.35 | teratoma_ | it sad this occurs on an important machine far away that i do not have console access to |
| 03:24.42 | kmeyer | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:27.30 | teratoma_ | kind of hard to run reportbug on a machine that doesn't boot |
| 03:28.26 | acidslep | hey guys, how to remove build-deps? |
| 03:28.45 | acidslep | like uh, remove the build deps that i installed for a single package? |
| 03:28.48 | teratoma_ | i should beat myself for running testing |
| 03:29.51 | acidslep | yeah you should :P |
| 03:30.06 | acidslep | hands teratoma_ a beatin' stick |
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| 03:37.40 | Ben_Pang | I has installed the package "libsasl2-modules-ldap",way not listing on saslpluginviewer command? any help? |
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| 03:38.59 | abrotman | Ben_Pang: stop repeating .. that's really annoying |
| 03:41.51 | Ben_Pang | abrotman,can you any help? |
| 03:41.57 | abrotman | i already did |
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| 03:49.07 | Faithful | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.21 | acidslep | tdlp :) |
| 03:49.30 | acidslep | how young are they? |
| 03:49.41 | abrotman | Faithful: teach them what about it ? |
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| 03:54.01 | Faithful | abrotman: Sysadmin |
| 03:54.11 | Faithful | acidslep: 13 & 15 |
| 03:54.38 | Faithful | abrotman: Is there anything else "Linux" ? |
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| 03:55.21 | Faithful | I want to teach my kids to live in a shell without any gates or windows |
| 03:55.39 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 03:55.39 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 03:55.45 | abrotman | get reading! |
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| 03:58.35 | cafuego | Faithful: If they're kids, just giving 'em an install cd and an old machine should see them teaching themselves in no-time. |
| 03:59.02 | Faithful | cafuego: yes... I sort of had that in mind. |
| 03:59.51 | Faithful | cafuego: they have been on Linux since they were old enough to use a mouse... my 3yo loves samegnome |
| 04:00.00 | Faithful | But I want them to get out of GUI |
| 04:01.14 | Faithful | Do you reckon raw disk partition is very compressible ? |
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| 04:07.47 | zomboy | hi all, what is the current package for DHCPD (server) in etch? |
| 04:07.59 | abrotman | apt-cache search dhcpd |
| 04:08.28 | zomboy | thanks |
| 04:09.02 | zomboy | there is dhcp or dhcp3-server, isn't dhcp3 non-authoritive? |
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| 04:12.01 | zomboy | all i am trying to do is setup dhcpd on my home lan so my other machines can get dynamic address, do i need BIND? |
| 04:12.11 | jester45 | no |
| 04:12.25 | zomboy | k, good' |
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| 04:12.43 | jester45 | dnsmasq is a great option its lighweight, and support DNS cache along with tftpd |
| 04:13.17 | duck[lappy] | does Debian have /dev/disk/by-id/? |
| 04:13.21 | duck[lappy] | (i haven't installed it yet) |
| 04:13.33 | zomboy | dnsmasq: ok, thanks |
| 04:13.51 | jester45 | i think that depends on what version |
| 04:14.24 | cafuego | duck[lappy]: if udev is installed, it should handle that for you |
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| 04:14.33 | duck[lappy] | cafuego: ok |
| 04:14.41 | jester45 | if im guessing correctly anything etch or older doesnt have it by defualt |
| 04:15.16 | cafuego | My etch VM has /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 04:15.36 | cafuego | but I do think I had to install udev manually. It's a deboostrap chroot install, so dunno. |
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| 04:16.04 | duck[lappy] | jester45: well as i said, haven't installed it yet :P |
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| 04:21.38 | nirupama | when my debian system boots it takes lot of time when doing dhcpdicover |
| 04:21.52 | nirupama | and continues for some secs sometimes some mins |
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| 04:22.00 | nirupama | what i need to remove it |
| 04:22.01 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 04:22.12 | meoblast001 | if i want to edit a debian package, where do i get the source of that package? |
| 04:22.16 | meoblast001 | the debian source |
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| 04:22.28 | stew | meoblast001: "apt-get source packagename" extracts it to the current directory |
| 04:22.42 | medc | anyone can help on how to install Radeon HD 2600??? |
| 04:22.58 | meoblast001 | ok... another question.. what if im currently in an ubuntu machine and want to prepare it for a debian machine |
| 04:23.06 | meoblast001 | can i download it from the debian website? |
| 04:23.21 | stew | meoblast001: you want to download debian? like an installer? or what? |
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| 04:23.38 | meoblast001 | no just the source of a package |
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| 04:24.13 | beardy | For a debian machine, the package is already built. |
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| 04:24.38 | meoblast001 | i want to edit it... rebuild it.. and install it |
| 04:24.57 | stew | meoblast001: you want to compile a package from source on a ubuntu machine to be installed on a debian machine? |
| 04:25.00 | beardy | Do it on the Debian machine. |
| 04:25.08 | meoblast001 | theres a problem with that |
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| 04:25.38 | meoblast001 | im doing custom debian.. from an ubuntu machine |
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| 04:26.07 | stew | meoblast001: you'll need to create a debian chroot for building packages in. I'd recommend using pbuilder or cowbuilder to do this |
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| 04:26.18 | meoblast001 | k |
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| 04:36.35 | meoblast001 | stew: the page i use as a reference to package building is down right now, what is the last command that actually builds the package? |
| 04:36.58 | dmoerner | meoblast001, dpkg-buildpackage, or debuild, or fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 04:37.03 | meoblast001 | thanx |
| 04:37.13 | meoblast001 | i think there was another one though |
| 04:37.16 | dmoerner | they are slightly different but the differences shouldn't matter in this case |
| 04:37.17 | meoblast001 | something -fakeroot |
| 04:37.21 | dmoerner | -rfakeroot |
| 04:37.29 | dmoerner | is a command-line option you can pass to dpkg-buildpackage |
| 04:37.29 | meoblast001 | but what was before the -rfakeroot |
| 04:37.33 | meoblast001 | ok |
| 04:37.33 | meoblast001 | thanx |
| 04:37.38 | stew | meoblast001: did you create a chroot? |
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| 04:37.47 | meoblast001 | no i never did in the past |
| 04:38.05 | stew | meoblast001: then you aren't building packages for debian, you are building them for ubuntu |
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| 04:38.24 | meoblast001 | oh know |
| 04:39.01 | meoblast001 | stew: how do i create a chroot? |
| 04:39.31 | stew | meoblast001: with debootstrap, but i'd recommend using pbuilder or cowbuilder which will handle both the creating and updating of the chroot and the building of the packages |
| 04:40.02 | meoblast001 | i just edited the control file on this package |
| 04:40.06 | meoblast001 | and tried to build it |
| 04:40.09 | meoblast001 | but its not building now |
| 04:41.01 | meoblast001 | well... this isnt a priority at the moment |
| 04:41.05 | meoblast001 | i'll worry about it another day |
| 04:41.08 | meoblast001 | cuz i have to go to bed |
| 04:41.09 | meoblast001 | night |
| 04:41.22 | meoblast001 | thanx for the help in the building though =) |
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| 04:47.28 | nxmehta | can an iso image contain subchannel data? how do i rip a cd (non-copy protected) including subchannel data from the command line? |
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| 04:47.46 | nxmehta | i've been using dd but that doesnt copy the subchannel |
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| 04:50.00 | sharp15 | is there a reason why aptitude would be asking me about untrusted packages for stellarium if the only package sources are at *.debian.org ? |
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| 04:50.24 | sharp15 | those are the entries in sources.list |
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| 04:53.37 | medc | anyone knows how to run a .run file??????? |
| 04:54.50 | dmoerner | chmod +x file.run; ./file.run |
| 04:55.26 | jester45 | bash file.run |
| 04:55.33 | jester45 | or sh file.run |
| 04:55.58 | k-god | jester45: ... or cat file.run | bash -e |
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| 04:58.42 | stew | sharp15: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 04:58.57 | medc | jester54, dmoerner, k-god |
| 04:58.59 | medc | thnks dudes |
| 04:59.00 | medc | anyways |
| 04:59.24 | medc | i already install the driver but i dont know if the 3d render is on |
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| 04:59.37 | dmoerner | medc, examine the output of glxinfo |
| 05:00.03 | medc | i dont have GLX installed :\ |
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| 05:03.35 | zomboy | have a 2 NIC router eth0 is internet (dhcp), eth1 is internal (dhcp) but cannot get an internal address issued, this is from /etc/network/interfaces => auto eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp is this correct? |
| 05:04.14 | dmoerner | there should be a newline between eth1 and iface |
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| 05:04.39 | zomboy | dmoerner: yes, there is |
| 05:04.43 | sharp15 | stew: is this stuff active by default in lenny? (still reading links from dpkg) |
| 05:05.21 | stew | sharp15: yes, make sure you have the debian-archive-keyring package installed and run aptitude update |
| 05:05.36 | jmd | I've just upgraded from etch to lenny, and now whenever I try to ssh anywhere I get a wierd error "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key". What's goinf on? |
| 05:05.37 | sharp15 | stew: ok. thank you. |
| 05:06.37 | zomboy | am using DNSMASQ for dns and dhcpd, seems to be work ok, that is no errors on /etc/init.d/dnsmasq |
| 05:08.00 | medc | dmoerner, do you know which packet i need to install in order to have output the glxinfo? |
| 05:08.45 | dmoerner | medc, mesa-utils: /usr/bin/glxinfo |
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| 05:15.11 | zomboy | what is the debian equiv of chkconfig? |
| 05:16.12 | liable | what does chkconfig do? |
| 05:17.36 | erawfish | manages init.d scripts |
| 05:17.41 | erawfish | deadrat |
| 05:18.02 | liable | !services |
| 05:18.02 | dpkg | somebody said services was to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 05:19.07 | \amethyst | not that zomboy is here anymore, but chkconfig is in lenny |
| 05:19.26 | liable | bah, i didnt notice he left.. |
| 05:19.43 | \amethyst | though it recommends: insserv, which might be kind of invasive |
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| 05:48.44 | medc | i installed the driver for my Graphic card but the 3d accel seemed to be shutdow |
| 05:49.03 | medc | how can i check that? and if its off how can i turn on |
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| 05:52.52 | medc | i installed the driver for my Graphic card but the 3d accel seemed to be shutdow |
| 05:52.56 | medc | how can i check that? and if its off how can i turn on |
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| 05:54.58 | alekz | Hi! I just got a new AMD 64bit system, is there much difference if I install the i86 version? |
| 05:55.29 | Guerin | alekz: no. |
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| 05:56.01 | jmd | After doing a dist-upgrade, mount -a doesn't work properly. |
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| 05:56.17 | alekz | Guerin: because the amd64 repositories are shorter right? |
| 05:56.37 | alekz | jmd: do you have your /etc/fstab on any website so I can check it? |
| 05:56.39 | jmd | I keep getting an error mount.nfs: mount point /var/mail/jmd is not a directory |
| 05:56.51 | jmd | How do I fix this? |
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| 05:59.11 | Guerin | alekz: no. |
| 05:59.16 | zomboy | hi, i have just munged my debian router, suing slax live to connect, how do i mount my debian system in a chroot so i can fix it? mount /dev/hdax /mnt/chroot then mount bind and proc? |
| 06:00.04 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 06:00.54 | Guerin | zomboy: man chroot |
| 06:01.05 | zomboy | thanks |
| 06:02.14 | alekz | zomboy: after you mount the hdax just: chroot /mnt/chroot |
| 06:03.13 | zomboy | alekz: cheers |
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| 06:05.14 | alekz | =) |
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| 06:13.27 | zomboy | chrooted into my broken Etch, went to use ifconfig, cos i have munged the network settings and i cn't acess network commands. should i have mount proc and bind also? |
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| 06:36.01 | medc | hello, i have problem with the 3d accel on my laptop, i already install the package but i still having no 3d accel.....any info? |
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| 06:53.25 | rush1 | Is it possible to install python2.5 as default python on debian etch? |
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| 06:57.19 | mu-dev | it's possible, but maybe you won't have "debian" anymore, and maybe certain things won't work properly, should they need python at all |
| 06:57.51 | rush1 | I have python2.5 app and need to execute it on debian etch system... |
| 06:58.13 | mu-dev | the first line of this app is? |
| 06:59.19 | rush1 | It's an egg file... |
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| 06:59.35 | mu-dev | and its first line is? |
| 06:59.43 | rush1 | #!/usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 06:59.58 | mu-dev | and it doesn't run that way? |
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| 07:00.55 | mu-dev | as you can see that may not be the default python... so it doesn't matter if it's "the default python" or not... you can install it in your home dir and then point the line to wherever you installed it |
| 07:01.14 | mu-dev | FliesLikeABrick: #!/home/rush1/pythoninstall/bin/python |
| 07:01.32 | mu-dev | how stupid... try that again |
| 07:01.40 | mu-dev | like #!/home/rush1/pythoninstall/bin/python |
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| 07:01.55 | mu-dev | you can install it anywhere |
| 07:02.20 | mu-dev | you want to prevent it from influencing your debian system in any way |
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| 07:02.55 | mu-dev | so you should not set prefix to, say, /usr |
| 07:03.03 | mu-dev | you do -not- want it to be the system python |
| 07:03.49 | mu-dev | in fact I'd say build it yourself, in somewhere like: your home dir, or /usr/local |
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| 07:04.08 | mu-dev | these are places that debian packages are not permitted to touch |
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| 07:04.47 | mu-dev | so installing a debian package could not destroy your newer python by overwriting files |
| 07:04.57 | enouf | rush1: i think the proper way to is alter the file header to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
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| 07:05.19 | mu-dev | do you even have that installed? |
| 07:05.28 | mu-dev | can you install that? |
| 07:05.34 | mu-dev | if so you don't have to build |
| 07:06.11 | mu-dev | does there exist /usr/bin/python2.5? |
| 07:06.40 | mu-dev | if so... enouf has the definitive solution |
| 07:07.21 | mu-dev | if not, can you install it? if so, do so, and again, it's enouf |
| 07:07.38 | gouki | I submitted an ITP, but for some reason, after 8 hours, I still can't find the bug. Any ideas? |
| 07:07.57 | mu-dev | how did you submit it? |
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| 07:08.14 | gouki | mu-dev, using reportbug. |
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| 07:08.50 | mu-dev | hmm, that's probably the right way... do your logs show the outgoing mail? |
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| 07:09.46 | gouki | mu-dev, I did receive a copy of the email sent, but still no bug number, as it said I would receive. So yeah, I'm sure it was sent. |
| 07:11.01 | mu-dev | ok... you could look at the bug reports for the package you filed against (which is probably not the package you itpd) |
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| 07:11.17 | hanibana | hi friends |
| 07:11.31 | hanibana | a question about iptables |
| 07:11.46 | hanibana | I have a problem with an SNAT iptables rule |
| 07:11.56 | hanibana | my LAN: hosts: 10.10.10.63, 10.10.10.100 |
| 07:12.13 | hanibana | my gateway : two eth card: eth8: 10.10.10.111 and eth9: 10.1.135.50 |
| 07:12.24 | hanibana | I want that my two hosts see the 10.1.141.50 ip |
| 07:12.31 | hanibana | my rule (I paste it!): iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -o eth9 -j SNAT --to-source 10.1.135.50 |
| 07:12.39 | hanibana | I turned on ip_forwarding also |
| 07:12.57 | hanibana | I pasted them from another channel, sorry ! |
| 07:13.04 | hanibana | any idea? |
| 07:13.32 | mu-dev | is there any reason that ipmasq won't work for you? |
| 07:13.50 | hanibana | no, i dont know ! |
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| 07:14.08 | hanibana | how to use it ? |
| 07:14.38 | mu-dev | save your iptables rule file away (in case ipmasq doesn't work for you) |
| 07:15.02 | mu-dev | your interfaces are already set up in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:15.20 | hanibana | yes |
| 07:15.32 | mu-dev | ok, do iptables -F |
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| 07:16.02 | mu-dev | this will clear all rules and set everything to default |
| 07:16.10 | mu-dev | then apt-get install ipmasq |
| 07:16.16 | mu-dev | then try it |
| 07:17.27 | mu-dev | btw, one of the /etc/network/interfaces entries has a gateway parameter? |
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| 07:18.24 | mu-dev | good, you're still there :) |
| 07:19.28 | hanibana | yes wait plz :) |
| 07:20.27 | mu-dev | any success? |
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| 07:22.27 | hanibana | how about this rule : iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -o eth9 -j MASQUERADE |
| 07:22.39 | hanibana | I should install ipmasq |
| 07:22.44 | hanibana | to work this ? |
| 07:22.52 | mu-dev | well see... |
| 07:23.07 | hanibana | I flushed first ! |
| 07:23.17 | mu-dev | ipmasq writes a bunch of rules |
| 07:23.22 | mu-dev | taken all together... |
| 07:23.38 | mu-dev | constitute a firewall |
| 07:24.04 | hanibana | you mean that it's a tool like iptables? |
| 07:24.10 | mu-dev | no |
| 07:24.14 | mu-dev | it's a tool yes |
| 07:24.22 | mu-dev | but it is not like iptables |
| 07:24.25 | mu-dev | it uses iptables |
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| 07:24.39 | mu-dev | (or ipchains or ipfwadm) |
| 07:25.03 | hanibana | why cann't i configure an SNAT with iptables only ? |
| 07:25.07 | mu-dev | it spits out like 25-30 rules |
| 07:25.11 | mu-dev | you can |
| 07:25.31 | mu-dev | but I'm not the guy to ask about the rules themselves |
| 07:25.52 | mu-dev | basically it does this: |
| 07:26.00 | mu-dev | it looks at your interfaces |
| 07:26.04 | mu-dev | it thinks |
| 07:26.07 | mu-dev | it thinks some more |
| 07:26.16 | mu-dev | it spits out a firewall |
| 07:27.24 | mu-dev | which assumes that the interface(s) that have gateway routes are the outgoing routes and are static |
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| 07:27.59 | mu-dev | it further assumes the interface(s) that do -not- have gateway routes are on your internal lan(s) |
| 07:28.20 | mu-dev | it takes these assumptions and tells iptables to insert rules |
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| 07:31.16 | mu-dev | it's also very well-organized... you can look at the rules it would generate (err, the scripts that write the rules) and see how it all works |
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| 07:33.48 | holdemnuts | gosh it's nice to be back on a debian stable box |
| 07:34.14 | holdemnuts | while i absolutely love ArchLinux, I just can't take the spontaneous system borks every 2-3 months or so |
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| 07:36.24 | mu-dev | the truth is dists have a lot of things in common... one of which is if you have a thousand programs that all link against one single library, you might break your system by trying to upgrade that lib.... especially if some of those 1000 programs are used to do the upgrade |
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| 07:44.39 | Guerin | !e100 |
| 07:44.54 | mu-dev | holdemnuts: the only thing that limits debian from doing that is the packaging system |
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| 07:52.45 | LemensTS | i got some problems with phpmyadmin not working. Also when i restart apache it complains about php4_module is already loaded. I got php5 installed tho too, i want to use it...how do i reconfigure it to use php5? im not sure how to even get php4 off i did apt-get --purge remove php4 but its still there |
| 07:53.00 | Guerin | bah, linux-image-2.6.2[56] won't work with my intel e100 NIC |
| 07:53.07 | Guerin | .20 works just fine |
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| 07:57.02 | psilo2 | LemensTS: remove libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 08:03.35 | mu-dev | is there libapache2-mod-aolserver? |
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| 08:03.49 | holdemnuts | mu-dev: you mean the only thing that preventes debian from spontaneous borkage is the package system? |
| 08:04.15 | mu-dev | that and attention paid by the maints |
| 08:04.26 | holdemnuts | mu-dev: pacman's package system is better than deb's I think; however, they're too fast to bring poor packages into it's rolling release |
| 08:04.48 | holdemnuts | mu-dev: oops... pacman = Arch's package management system - more BSD ports like |
| 08:05.07 | mu-dev | meaning that a system owner could choose to upgrade a lib by hand which breaks things the lib is linked against |
| 08:05.18 | holdemnuts | mu-dev: sure... i understand that |
| 08:05.55 | mu-dev | so the packaging system is a way to enforce workingness |
| 08:06.18 | mu-dev | but only to the degree that package authors are present to problems |
| 08:06.27 | holdemnuts | sure thing... |
| 08:07.07 | mu-dev | and if you took away both pacman and apt-get/dpkg/aptitude and their associated databases... |
| 08:07.15 | mu-dev | you'd have linuxes from scraches |
| 08:07.30 | holdemnuts | that was the exact thing i was about to say :) |
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| 08:08.29 | mu-dev | I had a slackware from a long time ago |
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| 08:09.06 | hanibana | sorry mu-dev ! |
| 08:09.08 | mu-dev | it was an A set and a D set |
| 08:09.12 | hanibana | for delay |
| 08:09.21 | hanibana | the fact is that I can NOT install ipmasq |
| 08:09.23 | mu-dev | and I built almost everything else |
| 08:09.32 | mu-dev | doesn't work? |
| 08:09.38 | hanibana | I have not internet connection now... |
| 08:09.45 | hanibana | to install ipmasq |
| 08:09.50 | holdemnuts | i never used slack so i don't know anything about it |
| 08:09.51 | hanibana | what can i do ? |
| 08:10.02 | enouf | Guerin: try debug mode? parm: debug:Debug level (0=none,...,16=all) (int) |
| 08:10.47 | mu-dev | basically its packaging system of the time didn't enforce versions and other depends, so I was free to install a newer libc |
| 08:10.50 | mu-dev | BOOM |
| 08:11.02 | mu-dev | a week later I couldn't even compile anything |
| 08:11.03 | holdemnuts | heheh... doesn't sound like fun |
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| 08:11.34 | holdemnuts | hanibana: are you just using apt-get on the CLI or aptitude or synaptic? |
| 08:12.06 | mu-dev | hanibana: well you're talking to us now... so you do have an internet connection to something... you could ftp the package to that box |
| 08:12.06 | hanibana | a practical remote debian etch server |
| 08:12.12 | hanibana | only command line |
| 08:12.40 | holdemnuts | :) just like my server that I'm ssh'd to into a screen session with irssi to talk to you :0 |
| 08:13.15 | holdemnuts | but i must say, i'm partial to aptitude - which usually tells you why you can't install a certain package |
| 08:13.17 | hanibana | hehe |
| 08:13.29 | mu-dev | eeny meeny chili beeny too bad I don't have screeny |
| 08:13.46 | holdemnuts | screen FTW |
| 08:14.43 | mu-dev | hanibana: and this practical remote debian etch server is the one you would install ipmasq onto? |
| 08:14.45 | hanibana | what about its dependencies ?! |
| 08:14.56 | hanibana | yes |
| 08:15.22 | holdemnuts | hanibana: have you tried installing it through aptitude? (it's a curses interface so still CLI appropriate) |
| 08:15.46 | mu-dev | ipmasq just needs a kernel with iptables (or ipchains or older fw thingy) and the user command (iptables, etc) |
| 08:15.52 | hanibana | holdemnuts : I have NOT internet connection |
| 08:16.04 | holdemnuts | hanibana: ahhhh |
| 08:16.13 | holdemnuts | hanibana: that would make it a bit difficult |
| 08:16.13 | hanibana | mu-dev: ok, that's good :) |
| 08:16.26 | hanibana | yes! |
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| 08:16.39 | mu-dev | does the server have iptables, and can you add rules? |
| 08:16.48 | mu-dev | if so, that's what ipmasq needs |
| 08:16.54 | mu-dev | oh, and ifupdown |
| 08:17.03 | mu-dev | which is probably in required/base |
| 08:17.09 | gavi | folks, i seem to have to proftpd.conf files... one in /etc/ and the other in /etc/proftpd/ why is this? |
| 08:18.01 | mu-dev | gavi: ls -l /etc/proftpd.conf /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf |
| 08:18.05 | holdemnuts | gavi: that's a ftp server |
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| 08:18.42 | holdemnuts | gavi: you definitnely don't want the daemon running if you weren't intending to run a FTP server |
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| 08:18.45 | gavi | mu-dev, -rw------- 1 root root 2964 2008-11-11 04:11 /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 08:18.45 | gavi | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3766 2008-11-11 10:17 /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf |
| 08:18.46 | hanibana | mu-dev: now iI have ipmasq installed :) |
| 08:18.58 | hanibana | next step ? |
| 08:19.00 | holdemnuts | gavi: but merely having some config files likely won't kill you |
| 08:19.01 | gavi | holdemnuts, i do.want it running |
| 08:19.25 | mu-dev | hanibana: see if your internal machines have internet |
| 08:19.30 | mu-dev | one sec |
| 08:19.40 | gavi | one sec me? |
| 08:19.59 | hanibana | mu-dev: they see only gateway --> 10.10.10.111 |
| 08:20.00 | holdemnuts | gavi: are the config files identical? |
| 08:20.02 | mu-dev | hanibana ping 68.180.206.184 |
| 08:20.32 | mu-dev | the gateway is where you installed ipmasq? |
| 08:20.39 | hanibana | see my gateway machine routes : |
| 08:20.39 | gavi | identical in what sence? from the results u pasted to me? or the codeing inside the file |
| 08:20.46 | hanibana | ebian:~# route |
| 08:20.47 | hanibana | Kernel IP routing table |
| 08:20.49 | hanibana | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 08:20.50 | hanibana | 10.1.135.0 * 255.255.255.192 U 0 0 0 eth9 |
| 08:20.52 | hanibana | 10.10.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth8 |
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| 08:21.12 | hanibana | mu-dev: yes |
| 08:21.28 | mu-dev | ok, /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop |
| 08:21.32 | mu-dev | iptables -F |
| 08:21.42 | gavi | no they arent identical inside the files |
| 08:21.51 | mu-dev | then /etc/init.d/ipmasq start |
| 08:21.58 | mu-dev | then try again |
| 08:22.19 | gavi | /etc/ is #VHCS proftpd config file |
| 08:22.25 | mu-dev | so try ping 68.180.206.184 from the gateway |
| 08:22.28 | mu-dev | does that work? |
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| 08:22.37 | hanibana | ok |
| 08:22.40 | gavi | /etc/proftpd/ # /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf -- This is a basic ProFTPD configuration file. |
| 08:22.40 | gavi | # To really apply changes reload proftpd after modifications. |
| 08:23.05 | gavi | vhcs doesnt have proftpd installed |
| 08:23.09 | hanibana | wait |
| 08:23.15 | gavi | its a requirement to be installed i believe |
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| 08:26.54 | hanibana | mu-dev: my gateway is under another firewall to access internet. |
| 08:26.57 | hanibana | for now |
| 08:27.21 | mu-dev | meaning... |
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| 08:27.40 | hanibana | i want to access my lan machines 10.1.141.50 |
| 08:28.13 | mu-dev | ok |
| 08:28.40 | hanibana | frankly, i want my 10.10.10.100 can ping 10.1.141.50 |
| 08:28.55 | hanibana | i have started ipmasq |
| 08:29.12 | hanibana | so i should return to iptables?? |
| 08:29.33 | mu-dev | I'm not so far sure of the shape of your net |
| 08:29.48 | hanibana | i have three machines |
| 08:30.00 | hanibana | two of them : 10.10.10.63 and 10.10.10.100 |
| 08:30.06 | mu-dev | do you have any addresses that do not start with 10? |
| 08:30.12 | hanibana | that connect to gateway : 10.10.10.111 |
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| 08:30.33 | hanibana | through its eth9 interface |
| 08:30.39 | hanibana | now |
| 08:30.41 | hanibana | no |
| 08:30.44 | hanibana | i have not |
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| 08:31.11 | hanibana | my gateway have two eth8 and eth9 interfaces |
| 08:31.14 | mu-dev | if you try: |
| 08:31.21 | hanibana | eth8 : 10.10.10.111 to lan |
| 08:31.24 | mu-dev | ping 68.180.206.184 from the gateway |
| 08:31.36 | hanibana | eth9: 10.1.135.50 to other net |
| 08:31.51 | mu-dev | what happens? |
| 08:32.11 | hanibana | 100 % packet loss |
| 08:32.38 | hanibana | but i can see 10.1.141.50 in gateway |
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| 08:32.55 | mu-dev | ok, let's see, |
| 08:33.04 | mu-dev | so we will name all three machines |
| 08:33.04 | hanibana | but other machines in lan eg. 10.10.10.63 cann't see it |
| 08:33.13 | mu-dev | first before we continue |
| 08:33.31 | mu-dev | so you have a machine with eth9 and eth8 |
| 08:33.36 | hanibana | ok |
| 08:33.43 | mu-dev | that machine is the gateway? |
| 08:33.56 | hanibana | yes for some network |
| 08:34.02 | mu-dev | ok, \ |
| 08:34.25 | mu-dev | what is eth8 netmask? |
| 08:34.38 | hanibana | 10.10.10.255 |
| 08:34.45 | hanibana | 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:34.48 | hanibana | sorry :) |
| 08:34.52 | mu-dev | oh ok |
| 08:35.08 | mu-dev | so you're using just the last octet to assign hosts |
| 08:35.23 | mu-dev | what is eth9 netmask? |
| 08:35.24 | hanibana | on the LAN, yes |
| 08:35.48 | hanibana | I think 10.1.135.0 |
| 08:36.02 | mu-dev | no that's net address, what's the mask? |
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| 08:36.24 | hanibana | sorry man ! |
| 08:36.29 | hanibana | 255.255.255.192 |
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| 08:38.04 | hanibana | let repeat... I can ping 10.1.141.50 in gateway. But my 10.10.10.i servers cann't. |
| 08:38.31 | hanibana | you there my friend? |
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| 08:41.31 | mu-dev | network glitch... |
| 08:42.12 | hanibana | ? |
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| 08:43.22 | mu-dev | hanibana what is the iface line in /etc/network/interfaces for eth9 |
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| 08:44.20 | mu-dev | btw, you actually have 10 net cards in that machine? :) |
| 08:44.22 | hanibana | auto eth9 |
| 08:44.24 | hanibana | iface eth9 inet static |
| 08:44.25 | hanibana | address 10.1.135.50 |
| 08:44.27 | hanibana | gateway 10.1.135.1 |
| 08:44.28 | hanibana | network 10.1.135.0 |
| 08:44.30 | hanibana | netmask 255.255.255.192 |
| 08:44.33 | hanibana | no |
| 08:44.37 | hanibana | ! |
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| 08:47.08 | Guerin | hanibana: are you always this much of a fuckwit, or are you putting on a special show for us? |
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| 08:50.26 | liable | say what you really think ;) |
| 08:51.05 | mu-dev | in binary your mask is 11111111.11111111.11111111.11000000 |
| 08:51.50 | mu-dev | so you have 2^6 - 2 hosts possible on that net |
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| 08:55.44 | mu-dev | hanibana try ping 206.190.60.37 |
| 08:55.49 | mu-dev | from the gw |
| 08:56.05 | mu-dev | that is from the machine that has eth9/eth8 |
| 08:56.25 | mu-dev | we were going to give that machine a name |
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| 08:58.10 | La_laplaza | hi2all |
| 08:58.31 | mu-dev | hiimtall |
| 08:58.39 | La_laplaza | I have debian-40r5-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso,where can I find repositary for this version ? |
| 08:59.19 | OpenTokix | La_laplaza: it's the same repo as everyoneelse |
| 08:59.20 | stew | La_laplaza: /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 08:59.30 | OpenTokix | La_laplaza: just that the xfce-version has some other default packages |
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| 09:02.39 | La_laplaza | <OpenTokix> thx |
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| 09:03.15 | La_laplaza | 2)I have trouble in the debian. debian doing ntfs(disk d) is hiden |
| 09:03.43 | stew | La_laplaza: what do you mean by hidden? |
| 09:03.48 | stew | err hiden |
| 09:04.07 | OpenTokix | La_laplaza: Can't help you there - running debian solo =) |
| 09:06.00 | acemi | La_laplaza: try to install ntfsprogs package and then ntfsfix /dev/ntfs_partition_name as root |
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| 09:07.00 | La_laplaza | <OpenTokix> what is solo ? |
| 09:07.08 | OpenTokix | La_laplaza: solo OS |
| 09:07.14 | OpenTokix | La_laplaza: no dual boot etc - no need to read ntfs |
| 09:07.19 | OpenTokix | La_laplaza: can't help you there |
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| 09:12.46 | n1kt0 | I need russian chanell debian |
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| 09:13.46 | mu-dev | !ru |
| 09:13.46 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 09:15.53 | n1kt0 | ÑепеÑÑ Ð½Ð¾ÑмалÑно оÑобÑажаÑÑÑÑ ÑÐ¸Ð¼Ð²Ð¾Ð»Ñ ? |
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| 09:16.20 | n1kt0 | sorry:) |
| 09:16.43 | joltcan | I'm still amazed of how good utf8 works on IRC |
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| 09:18.55 | OpenTokix | joltcan: =) |
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| 09:26.53 | RoyK | where is the correct way to set default options for modules, like e1000? |
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| 09:27.49 | RoyK | my e1000 has problems with handshake on this switch |
| 09:28.18 | OpenTokix | RoyK: I would exchange the switch |
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| 09:33.05 | segosa | when apt-get says "the following packages have been kept back: " how do I deal with them (either install them or disregard them) so that apt-get doesn't mention them all the time |
| 09:33.26 | Dewi | joltcan: yeah, it's ridiculous |
| 09:33.38 | Dewi | joltcan: I don't understand why it even works |
| 09:33.55 | Dewi | joltcan: when stuff written as recently as next week can barely make anything work |
| 09:33.59 | joltcan | I can't even read what it is in russian, but the characters looks nice |
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| 09:34.47 | hifi | uh, did the debian wine packages decide to follow the dev branch on sid? |
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| 09:35.16 | RoyK | OpenTokix: that's not an option, and it's quite common - _everywhere_ - that ethernet fails autodetect |
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| 09:35.36 | OpenTokix | RoyK: I have never seen it on quality switches |
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| 09:35.49 | OpenTokix | RoyK: ie. HP, Cisco or Extreme Networks |
| 09:36.13 | RoyK | OpenTokix: well, senior network personnel usually lock even cisco switches on one setting, and never relies on autodetect |
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| 09:36.30 | RoyK | OpenTokix: so do you know the answer to my question, or do you just want to chat? |
| 09:37.38 | OpenTokix | RoyK: I want to chat. I am here alone in the data center, no one to speak to and a neck pain from the flow of cold air. |
| 09:38.05 | RoyK | well, whatever |
| 09:38.08 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 09:38.10 | OpenTokix | sorry |
| 09:38.53 | OpenTokix | RoyK: mii-tool should work? |
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| 09:39.05 | joltcan | If you go GE auto-neg is better |
| 09:39.33 | OpenTokix | joltcan: I am auto-neg, you are auto-pos =) |
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| 09:39.46 | OpenTokix | RoyK: and ethtool |
| 09:39.53 | RoyK | øh |
| 09:39.59 | RoyK | it's an option for e1000 |
| 09:40.03 | RoyK | settable |
| 09:40.07 | RoyK | Speed=1000 |
| 09:40.10 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 09:40.15 | OpenTokix | gr8! ^5 |
| 09:40.17 | RoyK | bugger off |
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| 09:40.23 | OpenTokix | What? |
| 09:40.48 | Der_Pharer | someone here ahs some knowledge about renewal of ssl cert |
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| 09:41.11 | mu-dev | Der_Pharer: ohly the mighty google |
| 09:41.31 | boggy` | Der_Pharer for apache? |
| 09:42.09 | phorce1 | segosa: poke around the BTS to see why it's held back then use apt-get install to bring it up to date when you're sure it's OK to do so |
| 09:42.38 | Der_Pharer | boggy`: yes |
| 09:42.48 | Der_Pharer | for apache |
| 09:42.52 | Der_Pharer | and i did googlet |
| 09:42.57 | Der_Pharer | and i had no answer |
| 09:43.11 | Der_Pharer | becasuse everyone was talking about how to make the ssl |
| 09:43.17 | boggy` | u didnt use the right google |
| 09:43.17 | Der_Pharer | not how to renew it |
| 09:43.21 | boggy` | google.com/linux |
| 09:43.21 | Der_Pharer | ah |
| 09:43.29 | boggy` | here is n' example |
| 09:43.37 | boggy` | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Renew_SSL.html |
| 09:43.49 | mu-dev | RoyK so have you looked at modinfo e1000 |
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| 09:44.12 | mu-dev | do you know what options you want to pass already, or are you looking to find the list |
| 09:44.50 | phorce1 | hmmm my certs expire July-2009. Time to add a note to get prepared to replace them. |
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| 09:45.49 | Der_Pharer | boggy`: true i did not used the right google |
| 09:45.51 | Der_Pharer | :( |
| 09:45.53 | OpenTokix | phorce1: proactive, put it on your CV |
| 09:47.42 | phorce1 | I used to write notes in pencil on my monitor (the plastic surrounding the screen). Didn't get lost like post-it notes. As a computer geek I am hopelessly disorganised. Now I have LCD monitors with thin black borders. I'm screwed. |
| 09:48.08 | olleolleolle | I'm trying to get from Sarge to Etch. Got trouble on apt-get dist-upgrade when the amd64-k8 was chosen somehow. I'd want amd64-generic. What's my next step? Do I dselect the amd64-generic one somehow? |
| 09:48.51 | Dewi | phorce1: you're not geek enough unless your disorganisation spans hundreds of vague text files across a dozen hard disk spindles |
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| 09:49.24 | phorce1 | Dewi: I tried keeping notes to myself inside my computers. Bad idea |
| 09:49.44 | phorce1 | I needed the paper notes to remember where the digital ones were stored |
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| 09:52.19 | phorce1 | almost 04:00. /me is going to buy coffee and eggnog. /me loves November to January. |
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| 09:53.39 | EugenMayer | Good morning. I have a debian etch server and iam trying to rebuild my raid 1: http://pastebin.com/m9dbe127 |
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| 09:54.27 | EugenMayer | Somehow, after he gets to 99%, he just starts from new to sync sdb2. That loop goes on and on. Any idea? Server is live, mysql / apache running under some load while the raid 1 is rebuilding ( md1 ) |
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| 10:01.32 | Blue_Mousey | Stupid spammer... |
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| 10:02.11 | trebor_dki | hello. |
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| 10:03.52 | trebor_dki | i am a debian-newbie. i do have a question about gnome-behaviour (emacs) under debian. is this more of a gnome question, or are there some special configurations regarding gnome & debian? |
| 10:04.07 | Tidus | oh for christs sake, someone ban the spammer so we can actually read the conversation? |
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| 10:05.22 | Tidus | EugenMayer: so your raid just keeps trying to resync? |
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| 10:06.20 | bolt-work | WormDrink: stop that |
| 10:06.29 | Tidus | someone just ban him |
| 10:06.51 | mu-dev | what's he spamming? all I see is "sendq exceeded" |
| 10:07.05 | mu-dev | well n/m that question |
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| 10:07.24 | mu-dev | replace it with I can't see how he's a spammer |
| 10:07.26 | moshii | mu-dev: he/she/he-she is coming and going a bit rapidly though |
| 10:07.28 | EugenMayer | Tidus: more it resyncs to 99% each time ( done that 6 or more times) and after that it just restarts ( the process |
| 10:07.40 | moshii | EugenMayer: disk is borken |
| 10:07.42 | trebor_dki | what channel should i adress my question to? (i do not see any #gnome channel)? |
| 10:08.01 | Tidus | EugenMayer: try bringing the machine down to single user mode ("init 1" as root) and run the resync |
| 10:08.03 | EugenMayer | moshii: thats a new disk :) thats why the raid is rebuilding, the old one has broken. |
| 10:08.20 | moshii | EugenMayer: The disk its syncing from is broken then |
| 10:08.20 | Tidus | and is the disk identical to the old one? |
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| 10:08.30 | EugenMayer | Tidus: yeah thats the next thing i will try. Its a live machine so i want to do this as the last solution |
| 10:08.31 | moshii | Tidus: it doesnt need to be |
| 10:08.32 | esteel | trebor_dki: iirc there is irc.gnome.org #gnome |
| 10:08.52 | EugenMayer | moshii: wouldnt i get dmesg messages then? |
| 10:08.54 | Tidus | irc.gnome.org just points back here |
| 10:08.55 | trebor_dki | esteel: thank you. |
| 10:08.55 | moshii | EugenMayer: Is there anything in dmesg? i.e. errors coming from the controller |
| 10:09.38 | EugenMayer | moshii: not yet. 11:09:16 up 7:46, 1 user, load average: 1.29, 1.19, 1.17 |
| 10:09.44 | moshii | EugenMayer: not all the time. I'm saying this from experience.. if one of the disks is knackered you get exactly that problem, mdadm repeatly tries to resync and gets no where |
| 10:09.53 | EugenMayer | moshii: does the 7:46 means, thats the time the system hast started |
| 10:10.45 | moshii | EugenMayer: 11:09 is the current time, the field next to it is how long the host has been up |
| 10:10.51 | Tidus | EugenMayer: that means the machine was started 7h46m ago |
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| 10:11.54 | EugenMayer | Tidus: moshii: i asked, because i just wanted to check wheather the machine has restarted tonight. as far as i know, i have started the rebuild a 2 o clock just after restarting the system. |
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| 10:12.21 | EugenMayer | moshii: i dont get any suspecios things out of dmesg |
| 10:12.28 | EugenMayer | i could run a fskc |
| 10:12.43 | EugenMayer | but therfore i have to bringt down the system, that will be tonight |
| 10:13.02 | moshii | EugenMayer: You might have more luck building a new array with a disk missing on the new disk and copying your stuff out of the old array |
| 10:13.44 | moshii | EugenMayer: fsck wont really do much as the mdarray stuff is below the filesystem in the stack |
| 10:14.11 | Tidus | moshii: that's what i had to do on my laptop when i had a disk break |
| 10:14.32 | EugenMayer | moshii: thats exactly what i have done before. The raid was degredade ( out of any reason ) when sdb2 failed ( sdba was not in the array ). So i copied need data over to sda2, deleted the array and created a new --num-devices=1 raid1. After rebooting and bringing the system back like, i have growed the raid and added the sdb2 which has been exchanged |
| 10:14.32 | Tidus | i've got one of the rare beasts of a laptop that shipped with 2 identical sata disks in it |
| 10:14.56 | moshii | Tidus: you dont need identical disks for mdarrays |
| 10:15.15 | Tidus | moshii: oh i know, just mentioning that mine shipped with 2 identical disks |
| 10:15.20 | moshii | Tidus: you just need block devices that are of suitable parameters to create the arrya you want ;) |
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| 10:16.17 | moshii | EugenMayer: so you copied the stuff over to one of the old disks... and now it wont sync from the old disk? |
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| 10:16.51 | EugenMayer | moshii: thats the picture |
| 10:16.54 | moshii | EugenMayer: have you used the smart tools to check the disk? |
| 10:17.08 | EugenMayer | moshii: you mean the old ( not exchanged ) one ? |
| 10:17.15 | moshii | EugenMayer: yes |
| 10:17.15 | EugenMayer | moshii: not yet ( old = sdba ) |
| 10:17.30 | moshii | EugenMayer: the new disk could be broken too |
| 10:17.34 | EugenMayer | moshii: how would i do that. I guess i have to stop the raidbuilding then anyway |
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| 10:18.32 | moshii | EugenMayer: smartmontools |
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| 10:20.27 | EugenMayer | moshii: http://pastebin.com/m6223a815 |
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| 10:21.27 | moshii | smartctl -i /dev/sda |
| 10:21.30 | EugenMayer | moshii: http://pastebin.com/m6223a815 |
| 10:21.35 | EugenMayer | sorry. |
| 10:22.08 | EugenMayer | moshii: http://pastebin.com/m7e41a9ef |
| 10:22.20 | EugenMayer | great, drive does not support smart??? how old is that drive . |
| 10:22.41 | moshii | EugenMayer: what kernel? maybe you have a pre-libata one |
| 10:23.01 | EugenMayer | moshii: Linux impressive-media.de 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 05:24:08 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:23.12 | EugenMayer | _64bit |
| 10:23.18 | moshii | mm that should be ok |
| 10:23.32 | EugenMayer | its a samsung spinpoint |
| 10:23.48 | EugenMayer | is not that old actually. Cant think about newer disks without smart support |
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| 10:24.29 | moshii | EugenMayer: it wasnt possible to do smart over sata a while ago, but it should be in that kernel |
| 10:25.43 | EugenMayer | moshii: its an SATA II drive, 350GB. It cant be a drive before "SMART as default" ages. |
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| 10:26.28 | EugenMayer | i have a custom baked 2.2.26 kernel on the machine, i could boot that one tonight or just try it with the rescue system |
| 10:26.28 | moshii | EugenMayer: yeah, that doesnt matter if you dont have software support. but you should... I would move all the data onto some known good storage while you still have access to it |
| 10:26.53 | EugenMayer | moshii: so you expect the sda drive to be dodgy? |
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| 10:27.24 | moshii | EugenMayer: something isnt right if its repeatly trying to sync |
| 10:27.50 | EugenMayer | moshii: thank you for all the hints, i will start some test tonight. |
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| 10:31.15 | ma3x | why do i get these freaking locale errors? |
| 10:31.16 | ma3x | http://paste.debian.net/21209/ |
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| 10:32.34 | ma3x | come on folks wake up |
| 10:32.36 | ma3x | and help me |
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| 10:35.27 | ma3x | god damn wtf happened to this chan? |
| 10:35.29 | ma3x | no helpers at all |
| 10:35.46 | SPF | patience |
| 10:36.34 | ma3x | and why the hell updating the font cache takes so long? |
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| 10:37.10 | mu-dev | ma3x: consider the role you're taking... you kinda sound like their boss, in your tone and your request "look at this and fix it" |
| 10:37.25 | idimmu | haha youre funny, i know the answer but im not helping you ma3x |
| 10:37.38 | idimmu | im going to have a coffee instead |
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| 10:37.52 | mu-dev | ooh workers on STRIKE! |
| 10:38.00 | SPF | ma3x: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75493 |
| 10:38.08 | ma3x | idimmu: i don't need your selfish help |
| 10:38.24 | mu-dev | shellfish elp? |
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| 10:38.43 | Dewi | ma3x: if you don't need help, don't come in here demanding answers |
| 10:38.57 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.57 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:39.06 | ma3x | i said i don't need 'his' help |
| 10:39.13 | Dewi | ma3x: do you know him? |
| 10:39.21 | ma3x | no |
| 10:39.27 | ma3x | no need to know him |
| 10:39.58 | mu-dev | "what does it cost to be the boss" |
| 10:40.21 | ma3x | go ask your boss |
| 10:40.24 | idimmu | membership at a golf club |
| 10:40.25 | Dewi | mu-dev: nothing wrong with being the boss... as long as he is paying us. Oh wait, isn't he paying us? |
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| 10:41.12 | ma3x | and who's paying me? |
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| 10:41.16 | Dewi | ma3x: it's not just idimmu your attitude will annoy, it's a substantial fraction of the channel |
| 10:41.40 | ma3x | this used to be a good channel with a lot of helpers around |
| 10:41.41 | ma3x | what happened? |
| 10:41.55 | ma3x | i ask a question and wait half an hour someitmes |
| 10:41.57 | ma3x | and nobody replies |
| 10:41.58 | Dewi | ma3x: I see hundreds of people here |
| 10:42.30 | ma3x | alright let's stop this topic discussion right now |
| 10:42.35 | ma3x | and see if you can help me with the locales problem |
| 10:42.39 | ma3x | i pasted that |
| 10:42.45 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.14 | Dewi | do you have 'locales' package installed? |
| 10:43.21 | mu-dev | ma3x: what does the message suggest? |
| 10:43.32 | ma3x | ii locales 2.7-15 GNU C Library: National Language (locale) da |
| 10:43.43 | mu-dev | mmm sid? |
| 10:43.48 | ma3x | no |
| 10:43.49 | ma3x | testing |
| 10:43.56 | ma3x | it doesnt suggest |
| 10:44.09 | Dewi | ma3x: echo $LANG |
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| 10:44.13 | Dewi | ma3x: what do you see? |
| 10:44.14 | mu-dev | it does state something very specifically |
| 10:44.19 | ma3x | en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 10:45.11 | mu-dev | why can't it create a temp file? |
| 10:45.30 | ma3x | i think it worked now |
| 10:45.32 | ma3x | i reinstalled locales package |
| 10:45.40 | ma3x | now java is screwing things |
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| 10:45.46 | ma3x | it displays weird formats in iceweasel |
| 10:45.46 | manoj | hi |
| 10:46.00 | eth01 | mu-dev: read/write |
| 10:46.09 | Dewi | ma3x: in java applets? |
| 10:46.25 | ma3x | no, otherwise |
| 10:46.34 | ma3x | html |
| 10:46.41 | mu-dev | java wouldn't be doing that |
| 10:46.59 | ma3x | xml |
| 10:47.00 | ma3x | and others |
| 10:47.06 | manoj | i want to change the resolution of my console screen at the boot with fbset, where can I put the fbset script |
| 10:47.10 | manoj | ? |
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| 10:47.12 | ma3x | it's java, because when i remove the plugin everything's fine |
| 10:47.36 | manoj | in /etc/rc.d/something.sh ? |
| 10:48.23 | mu-dev | manoj: can't you put vga=ask on the kernel command line to find which res you want, then change it to vga=that |
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| 10:49.18 | mu-dev | ma3x: maybe you need to find out what is happening more specifically |
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| 10:49.46 | manoj | mu-dev: Yes, i can do that but i don't prefer this |
| 10:50.13 | mu-dev | the kernel does the fbset doesn't it? at boot time? |
| 10:50.33 | mu-dev | well ok so you prefer another way... which I'm not familiar with |
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| 10:52.17 | manoj | in fact, my question is not about the fb set. I just want to run a script at the boot |
| 10:52.20 | mu-dev | when you do fbset after everything is booted, does this have the effect you want? |
| 10:52.28 | manoj | yes |
| 10:53.15 | mu-dev | you can put the script in /etc/init.d |
| 10:53.47 | mu-dev | copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/fbset.sh |
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| 10:54.18 | mu-dev | then edit that script so that when it gets "start" it does the fbset you want |
| 10:54.19 | manoj | ok thanks |
| 10:54.44 | mu-dev | then look at man update-rc.d |
| 10:55.16 | mu-dev | you'll be invoking that command to enable the script at boot |
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| 10:55.55 | manoj | mu-dev: thank you :) |
| 10:56.21 | mu-dev | welcome. I'd test the script too |
| 10:56.26 | mu-dev | by doing: |
| 10:56.51 | mu-dev | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.30 | mu-dev | you might need to chmod so it's executable |
| 10:57.50 | mu-dev | once it works |
| 10:57.53 | mu-dev | try rebooting |
| 10:57.56 | mu-dev | once that works |
| 10:57.59 | mu-dev | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:59.02 | manoj | ok |
| 11:00.47 | mu-dev | that's one of maybe a handful of ways that are directly available |
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| 11:01.49 | mu-dev | that particular way is mostly used to start and stop server programs |
| 11:03.11 | jelly | !rc.boot |
| 11:03.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.boot is a quick and easy way to run things at boot time. Simply put a short script in the /etc/rc.boot directory that does what you want. For the full blown and flexible way of doing it "right": see init.d, or obsolete |
| 11:03.59 | jelly | knows rc.boot is obsolete... however, it's still present in lenny |
| 11:04.35 | manoj | i am going to reboot |
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| 11:05.03 | mu-dev | maybe... to properly support users, rc.boot and its support should be its own package |
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| 11:06.10 | Peanut_ | Hi - is there still an entry I could use in my sources.list for a Sarge system? |
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| 11:06.37 | mu-dev | Peanut_: maybe you should get the cd images |
| 11:06.56 | mu-dev | they might be jigdoable |
| 11:07.04 | Peanut_ | mu-dev: oh.. hmm, ok. |
| 11:07.08 | jelly | Peanut_: archive.debian.org? |
| 11:07.29 | ma3x | i installed java in /usr/java/jdk...... and jre...... how do i export it? |
| 11:07.42 | Peanut_ | jelly: thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 11:09.07 | Peanut_ | That works, thanks jelly. |
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| 11:15.02 | aphexer | How do I build the kernel package from source, using ccache? Putting /usr/lib/ccache in the path as first entry doesn't work. (It works for a regular ./configure; make). What is the debian kernel package doing special? |
| 11:18.06 | mu-dev | ccache is the kernel config? |
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| 11:18.39 | mu-dev | ccache is an executable? |
| 11:18.41 | rush1 | mu-dev: thanx for help with python. Sorry, I had to go and didn't answer |
| 11:19.00 | mu-dev | oh np... hope it worked out |
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| 11:23.04 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 11:23.58 | cr3rzemjest | can I specify which ip I want to get using dhclient? (i mean i don't know what netmask is....) |
| 11:24.16 | cr3rzemjest | i mean i could change ip with ifconfig but i dont know the mask |
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| 11:24.58 | mu-dev | cr3rzemjest: the whole thing behind dhcp is to hand you an IP you can use |
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| 11:25.30 | mu-dev | if you have control of the dhcp server, there are things you can do |
| 11:26.09 | cr3rzemjest | wait, broadcaast address is always *.*.*.255? |
| 11:26.21 | cr3rzemjest | if there are subnets? |
| 11:26.22 | cr3rzemjest | no? |
| 11:26.32 | bolt-work | no |
| 11:26.34 | mu-dev | no |
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| 11:26.46 | bolt-work | there's no limit! |
| 11:26.52 | mu-dev | but you're on the right track to understanding |
| 11:26.55 | ricosecada | Is it possible to see when a specific package was last updated using apt-get? |
| 11:27.05 | mu-dev | basically you look at the mask |
| 11:27.21 | mu-dev | there are zeros and ones, usually a string of each |
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| 11:27.44 | mu-dev | if you take any IP in that net's range |
| 11:28.05 | cr3rzemjest | but how do i know whats' the mask |
| 11:28.13 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:28.23 | mu-dev | and you replace 1s everywhere that the mask is 0 |
| 11:28.27 | sandman | Good? Bad? Ugly? Better than ext3? |
| 11:28.41 | sandman | Well, scratch the "better than" statement. Surely everything has its place. |
| 11:28.46 | mu-dev | that;s usually the broadcast address |
| 11:28.56 | sandman | But it seems ZFS has some very appealing features. However I just wanted to see what ya'll thought of it |
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| 11:29.56 | sep | sandman, not touching it until it have a real implementation |
| 11:30.08 | bolt-work | mu-dev: in what case is it not? |
| 11:30.33 | sandman | sep: Well, did you see the Slashdot article today? Apparently Sun has rolled out enterprise backup solutions with it |
| 11:30.55 | mu-dev | bolt-work: are there cases where broadcast shouldn't happen on a net? |
| 11:30.55 | sandman | sep: Basically they have 48 disks working in tandem, but without RAID, instead using ZFS. |
| 11:31.05 | sandman | ZFS doing all the work that a RAID would normally do... |
| 11:31.33 | bolt-work | mu-dev: i suppose, but there's nothing preventing you from using the broadcast address, and you can't use it for anything else. so i guess there always is a broadcast address |
| 11:32.11 | mu-dev | on the other hand if it always is there and always is desirable... then the ifupdown should calculate both the broadcast and net addresses from ip and net mask |
| 11:32.12 | bolt-work | mu-dev: at least i haven't heard of any exception to this, and i don't know of a way such an exception could be communicated to the clients |
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| 11:32.34 | bolt-work | mu-dev: it could. or you could do so in code |
| 11:32.38 | ribasushi | hi |
| 11:32.39 | ribasushi | any recommendations for a good torrent client (linux) ? |
| 11:32.49 | bolt-work | bittornado? |
| 11:32.52 | bolt-work | or with gui.. azureus? |
| 11:32.54 | mu-dev | I think a dhcp server can fail to have a configuration for bcast and therefore not send it? |
| 11:33.28 | bolt-work | mu-dev: i wouldn't trust software to not completely ignore that and calculate it on their own |
| 11:34.08 | mu-dev | so, looking in some detail: |
| 11:34.13 | sep | sandman, ofcourse if i was a sun fanboi and i owned sun hardware and lisence i would use zfs. but until it get a real implementation in the linux kernel it's not something i consider |
| 11:34.31 | mu-dev | the dhcp server could fail to send bcast, and the client could ignore that and calculate |
| 11:34.56 | mu-dev | if the client doesn't, then ifconfig could ignore and calculate |
| 11:35.10 | bolt-work | mu-dev: i didn't think broadcast address was even part of what a dhcp server sent. wouldn't be a point in doing so if it's always the same |
| 11:35.28 | mu-dev | I suppose... |
| 11:35.52 | mu-dev | but I'm guessing some net admins would rather not pass out broadcast addresses |
| 11:36.29 | bolt-work | why not? |
| 11:36.30 | mu-dev | and of course they would be trusting the clients (and etc) to interpret this as "don;'t use a bcast; don't bcast" |
| 11:36.33 | sandman | sep: Understood =) |
| 11:36.58 | Peanut_ | I've just installed the latest e1000 driver on a Sarge machine - but it doesn't show the new dual e1000 I've inserted in a PCI-E, and lspci shows them as 'Ethernet controller, Intel, unknown device' - any hints? |
| 11:37.18 | sep | sandman, but since the artickle you mentions is about a appliance... how we feel about it in debian is a moot point tho. |
| 11:37.28 | bolt-work | mu-dev: the dhcp request is a broadcast in the first place |
| 11:37.31 | mu-dev | who knows... maybe they are trying to keep exploits down |
| 11:38.14 | mu-dev | oh right, to 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111111 |
| 11:39.03 | cr3rzemjest | can i make another interface (i mean eth1, or eth0:1 or something like this) and make dhcp server send me other ip address (i've got 2 addresses, [2 pcs] 1 private 1 public and i want public on this pc) |
| 11:39.11 | cr3rzemjest | ? |
| 11:39.52 | mu-dev | cr3rzemjest: if you're under control of that server, perhaps you could get it to send a subnet |
| 11:39.53 | sandman | sep: Well, I was just thinking to myself the potential benefits and drawbacks of ZFS. |
| 11:40.00 | Dewi | cr3rzemjest: should be able to |
| 11:40.08 | cr3rzemjest | mu-dev, i'm not |
| 11:40.32 | sandman | sep: Or, in particular, my current setup which is ext3 on top of LVM partitions on top of crypto volumes on top of raid volumes on top of real partitions |
| 11:40.34 | Dewi | cr3rzemjest: but I have not done it |
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| 11:40.51 | sandman | I was just thinking "gee. Instead of all that, I could just use ZFS..." |
| 11:41.06 | Peanut | ZFS tends to perform better than RAID-boxes, because those hardware raids usually run on things like an ARM or other embedded CPU. I've seen ZFS get 4x the write performance to a set of disks compared to using the built-in hardware raid of that diskbox. |
| 11:41.11 | sep | sandman, if there was a real implementation yes |
| 11:41.33 | Dewi | sep: there, just not for linux |
| 11:41.43 | Dewi | sep: there is, just not for linux |
| 11:41.46 | sandman | sep: Well. Will there be, outside of FUS, however? |
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| 11:41.58 | Peanut | Yup, it's quite a good implementation even ;-) |
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| 11:42.09 | sandman | FUS, rather. |
| 11:42.22 | sandman | fjlskdfa FUSE |
| 11:42.26 | sandman | My E key is acting up. |
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| 11:42.35 | Dewi | sandman: at this stage I plan to use zfs on dedicated boxes, running native (ie solaris or opensolaris) |
| 11:42.40 | sandman | Anyway, Peanut: Will ZFS have acceptable performance under FUSE, do you suppose? |
| 11:43.04 | mu-dev | my ky is acting up too, s? |
| 11:43.05 | Peanut | From what I've heard of FUSE, you do a -lot- of extra context-switching between user and kernel space |
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| 11:43.47 | sandman | Peanut: That is to say, performance is in the toilet? |
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| 11:44.21 | Peanut | Haven't actually tried it myself, but that's what I've heard, yes. Then again, your performance is probably more IO limited anyway, and then it won't hurt too much. |
| 11:44.59 | cr3rzemjest | will it work if i copy this lines : allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 11:44.59 | cr3rzemjest | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:44.59 | cr3rzemjest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:47.59 | cr3rzemjest | it seems it doesn't |
| 11:48.09 | aphexer | How do I build the kernel package from source, using ccache? Putting /usr/lib/ccache in the path as first entry doesn't work. (It works for a regular ./configure; make). What is the debian kernel package doing special? |
| 11:48.35 | cr3rzemjest | i know wat to do |
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| 11:51.12 | mu-dev | aphexer: hi... I probably can't help but I'm curious what is this ccache thing? |
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| 11:52.14 | aphexer | mu-dev: http://ccache.samba.org/ :) |
| 11:52.23 | aphexer | It's a cache, to speedup compilation |
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| 11:55.26 | mu-dev | ok, so it suggests changing CC = gcc to CC = ccache gcc |
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| 11:55.45 | aphexer | indeed, that's how you do it when you just plain ./configure; make |
| 11:55.46 | mu-dev | which implies that ccache is an executable |
| 11:55.49 | aphexer | yes |
| 11:56.09 | aphexer | however I suspect the debian packaging system to somehow work around this |
| 11:56.12 | mu-dev | so then the question becomes, where is that executable installed |
| 11:56.15 | aphexer | at least the kernel package |
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| 11:56.20 | aphexer | brb |
| 11:56.22 | sep | in a debian vserver "guest", am i suposed to be able to do things ip ip route add .... ? i get error RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted, |
| 11:56.59 | mu-dev | !find ccache etch |
| 11:57.26 | gavi | folks i cannot seem to find firefox in the synaptic package manager.. i found firefox but it dont see any shortcut for firefox after i install it.. |
| 11:57.43 | mu-dev | it might be called iceweasel |
| 11:57.43 | sep | gavi, look for iceweasel |
| 11:57.51 | gavi | i already have iceweasel |
| 11:57.56 | mu-dev | that's it |
| 11:58.01 | sep | gavi, iceweasel == firefox |
| 11:58.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ccache' (4 of 6): (/usr/bin/ccache2shishi) in net/shishi ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/ccache2shishi) in libdevel/shishi-dbg ;; (/usr/bin/ccache, /usr/share/doc/ccache/examples/update-ccache) in devel/ccache ;; (/usr/lib/xemacs-21.4.19/i486-linux-gnu/include/{gccache-gtk.h|xgccache.h}) in editors/xemacs21-bin. |
| 11:58.04 | gavi | but isnt iceweasel an build of firefox? |
| 11:58.13 | gavi | as ubuntu is to debian |
| 11:58.22 | gavi | i would prefer the original ff |
| 11:58.28 | sep | gavi, it is firefox with a different name and icon becouse of copyright issues |
| 11:58.34 | mu-dev | you might have to build it yourself |
| 11:58.38 | gavi | sep, i got you |
| 11:58.40 | sep | (short version) |
| 11:58.42 | gavi | sep, thanks |
| 11:58.56 | gavi | but why does ubuntu have ff? |
| 11:59.05 | mu-dev | who knows :) |
| 11:59.18 | gavi | mu-dev, when u say build it myself.. u mean compile? |
| 11:59.24 | mu-dev | yes |
| 11:59.30 | mu-dev | but why? :) |
| 11:59.52 | mu-dev | iceweasle is just a name, the code should be all there |
| 12:00.00 | gavi | im not very expirenced at installing that way... what i believe is that if all dependencies arent intalled the compile will fail |
| 12:00.17 | gavi | mu-dev, i think i will keep iceweasel, im just asking for my own knowledge |
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| 12:00.34 | sep | mu-dev, it's a long a complicated story with more points of views then is comfortable. but you can read this as a start http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 12:00.57 | mu-dev | sep: the legal story behind iceweasel? |
| 12:01.19 | mu-dev | sep: aka it's a monsterous flamewar? :) |
| 12:01.44 | mu-dev | "more points of view than are comfortable" |
| 12:01.54 | mu-dev | now THAT is a euphamism :) |
| 12:02.17 | gavi | so is what i said correct? a compile will not work unless all dependencies of whatever im compiling is installed |
| 12:02.28 | sep | mu-dev, :) |
| 12:02.46 | mu-dev | well yeah, but the depends in this case are -build- depends |
| 12:03.11 | mu-dev | you're really gonna do it? :) |
| 12:03.24 | gavi | mu-dev, u didnt read what i posted up above |
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| 12:03.40 | gavi | i was just wondering, because whenever i do try to compile something it always gets an error |
| 12:03.40 | timawa | hello, may i insert. |
| 12:03.41 | timawa | how do i prevent a user from creating a directory but allow him/her to create files? is this even possible? |
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| 12:04.23 | mu-dev | you'd have to alter the kernel to do that |
| 12:04.49 | timawa | ok. tnx for the answer. |
| 12:04.50 | mu-dev | that's draconian btw :P |
| 12:05.07 | Posterdati | please I need an mp3 encoder :) (wav to mp3 or ogg) |
| 12:05.14 | Posterdati | tx |
| 12:05.27 | mu-dev | lame? |
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| 12:05.44 | Vorbote | Posterdati: gui? |
| 12:05.59 | timawa | i saw /bin/mkdir can i change the permission of that to achiver my objective? |
| 12:06.11 | timawa | *achieve |
| 12:06.51 | sep | timawa, if they have write access in a place they can also make directories. perhaps you can do something with a acl for your filesystem |
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| 12:07.12 | mu-dev | maybe a better question to ask you is, exactly what are you trying to accomplish? how would failing to allow dirs to be created be a means to that end? |
| 12:07.17 | sep | timawa, you could possibly break things in interesting ways |
| 12:07.25 | Posterdati | Vorbote: console |
| 12:07.54 | mu-dev | timawa: you have to add that feature to linux |
| 12:08.01 | mu-dev | but again: |
| 12:08.05 | timawa | a very specialzed server being used by children who wants to make the harddisk a playground. |
| 12:08.13 | sandman | Peanut: In reference to our previous discussion, it would appear Btrfs is the solution to this whole situation. |
| 12:08.26 | mu-dev | oh ok |
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| 12:08.46 | timawa | i only want two users to be able to create directories. |
| 12:09.00 | sandman | Peanut: Maybe. |
| 12:09.11 | Vorbote | Posterdati: then as mu-dev said, lame for mp3 (probablly from debian-multimedia.org); vorbis-tools for ogg vorbis |
| 12:09.11 | phorce1 | timawa: just put them in a chroot jail and let them create/delete whatever they want. Keep a .tar.gz of everything in the chroot so you can rebuild it in seconds if they break something. |
| 12:09.20 | mu-dev | used by children? make link farms to executables, put the farm dir in their path instead of the normal path |
| 12:09.23 | timawa | it is on ltsp. |
| 12:10.06 | mu-dev | these children going to learn to be hackers? then not much you can do without adding the feature to linux |
| 12:10.06 | Vorbote | Posterdati: there are some scripts to automate conversion, but they are only wrappers. |
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| 12:10.18 | Posterdati | Vorbote: tx |
| 12:10.43 | timawa | ok. i won't push the issue. |
| 12:10.45 | timawa | thanks. |
| 12:10.56 | mu-dev | what you really want to prevent the children from doing is visiting p-p sites |
| 12:11.28 | mu-dev | timawa: you want this to be really secure? is that really necessary? |
| 12:13.34 | phorce1 | timawa: if you put them in a chroot you can customize it to leave out things like /bin/mkdir. You'll have to find someone who's actually built a really secure chroot to discuss how, I only looked a bit then the reason I was looking went away. |
| 12:13.38 | timawa | i have one shared directory where all of these so called "children" create their files. each child is allocated his own directory. i do not want them to create deeper directories because it is where they deeply hide forbidden files. |
| 12:14.46 | mu-dev | so they are already doing things they're not supposed to do? |
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| 12:15.00 | phorce1 | timawa: So, you're actually talking about locking down a server in a workplace. Fire the children that use it to hide unauthorized files. |
| 12:15.23 | phorce1 | Firing 2 or 3 works wonders with those that remain |
| 12:15.32 | mu-dev | with what? donald trump? a flamethrower?!\ |
| 12:16.02 | timawa | maybe i will just create a cron thingy that deletes any directories created. |
| 12:16.09 | timawa | :D |
| 12:16.26 | mu-dev | that would be one way |
| 12:16.33 | timawa | delete w/o asking permission |
| 12:16.44 | moshii | timawa: you can do searchs on deep trees |
| 12:17.13 | timawa | i am too lazy to search. |
| 12:17.26 | mu-dev | well then |
| 12:17.37 | mu-dev | how much do they know about unix? |
| 12:17.48 | timawa | a good follow-up question is how to identify the created directories. |
| 12:17.57 | mu-dev | do they know enough to type /bin/mkdir? |
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| 12:18.10 | timawa | they probably won't |
| 12:18.17 | mu-dev | how do they log in |
| 12:18.19 | _coredump_ | mahlzeit |
| 12:18.23 | timawa | gui |
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| 12:18.35 | mu-dev | how are they creating the dirs |
| 12:18.41 | phorce1 | if you're really talking about children you take away use of the computer for breaking the rules. If you're actually talking about adults who should know better you take away their paycheck for breaking the rules. |
| 12:18.42 | timawa | file browser |
| 12:18.52 | mu-dev | you're implying this is a problem now... I have that right? |
| 12:19.05 | timawa | yes it has been a problem in the past |
| 12:19.20 | mu-dev | oh, with kids that are present now? |
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| 12:19.35 | timawa | yes, i should say eversince. |
| 12:20.07 | mu-dev | ok... one approach would be to try the executable link farm approach |
| 12:20.23 | timawa | i want to hear that. |
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| 12:20.48 | OpenTokix | timawa: Just ad ACL-support |
| 12:20.53 | OpenTokix | timawa: to the filesystem in question |
| 12:20.57 | timawa | i want to hear that too. |
| 12:20.59 | mu-dev | ohh |
| 12:21.03 | mu-dev | that's better |
| 12:21.05 | OpenTokix | timawa: then you can prevent directores created, but still files etc. |
| 12:21.10 | OpenTokix | timawa: novell-style |
| 12:21.15 | timawa | ok, ACL on a specific directory? |
| 12:21.21 | mu-dev | forget mine, that's a real solution |
| 12:21.27 | timawa | remember folks this is on LTSP. |
| 12:21.40 | OpenTokix | on the filesystem, but you will only fiddle around with it under /mount/executivecircle |
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| 12:21.45 | mu-dev | on a specific filesystem |
| 12:21.48 | OpenTokix | LTSP? |
| 12:21.56 | OpenTokix | Long Term Super Puter |
| 12:22.04 | timawa | he he he |
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| 12:22.17 | mu-dev | Lingering Tower Saving Poop |
| 12:22.18 | timawa | the one by vagrantc and others |
| 12:22.32 | timawa | ha ha ha |
| 12:22.35 | mu-dev | no really, wah is it? |
| 12:22.39 | m6mmix | has anyone here used hpacucli? |
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| 12:23.01 | m6mmix | i cant seem to find a way to connect it to an external raid controller |
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| 12:23.13 | timawa | Linux Terminal Server Project |
| 12:24.22 | timawa | OpenTokix, can u point me to some docs on how to that ACL thingy, please. |
| 12:24.46 | OpenTokix | timawa: sure, hold on - firing up my Google Services LTD. |
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| 12:26.31 | OpenTokix | timawa: apt-get install attr && man setfattr |
| 12:26.37 | OpenTokix | timawa: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/10954_3077971_2 |
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| 12:27.37 | timawa | okidoki |
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| 12:28.34 | timawa | let me study and try it. thanks a lot! |
| 12:28.40 | OpenTokix | timawa: yw |
| 12:28.46 | Vorbote | err no. attr are for setting user extended attributes. timawa: you want "apt-get acl" and read http://wiki.kaspersandberg.com/doku.php?id=howtos:acl for starters :-) |
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| 12:29.25 | timawa | oh? |
| 12:29.32 | timawa | so which one now? |
| 12:29.50 | timawa | maybe it's on the doc |
| 12:29.52 | OpenTokix | timawa: http://www.bluelightning.org/linux/samba_acl_howto/ |
| 12:29.53 | Vorbote | timawa: extended attributes are equivalent to NTFS file streams: metadata |
| 12:30.33 | mu-dev | apt-get install acl? |
| 12:30.45 | Vorbote | timawa: acls (access control lists) are an advanced form of quota system (and much more). |
| 12:30.53 | Vorbote | mu-dev: Yep. |
| 12:31.20 | timawa | can't be samba. the thinclients are accessing the main folder directly. |
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| 12:31.51 | gavi | if i download yum and rpm from synaptic, than will i be able to install rpm and yum packages? |
| 12:32.03 | OpenTokix | timawa: http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linuxsbs/samba4.htm <-- I think this is pretty much the thing you want. |
| 12:32.15 | OpenTokix | gavi: apt-get install alien |
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| 12:33.07 | Vorbote | timawa: and also this: http://www.bluelightning.org/linux/samba_acl_howto/ |
| 12:33.38 | timawa | ok. i can read a book on this one. :) it is that important. |
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| 12:34.30 | gavi | OpenTokix, thanks for the reply... what if the rom or the yum is not ment for debian.. will opentokix be able to tell if a package is not compatible with debian? |
| 12:34.35 | gavi | i dont want to reuin my system |
| 12:34.38 | mu-dev | you could consider having a filesystem that supports acls directly |
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| 12:34.57 | OpenTokix | gavi: you can always install the packageor extract binaries or convert to a debfile |
| 12:35.07 | OpenTokix | gavi: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 12:35.40 | gavi | OpenTokix, install flash and java :p |
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| 12:35.55 | OpenTokix | gavi: add non-free packages to your repo |
| 12:36.02 | erawfish | gavi: you can try. most times you will fuck up your system with the rpm |
| 12:36.07 | mu-dev | purists will say that if you install rpms directly they're almost certainly not going to work |
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| 12:36.26 | gavi | erawfish, thats what i thought |
| 12:36.27 | erawfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.42 | gavi | OpenTokix, my repo is sources.list? |
| 12:36.45 | mu-dev | this is usually true due to lib dependencies |
| 12:37.03 | mu-dev | your repos are listed in sources.list |
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| 12:37.11 | OpenTokix | gavi: yes |
| 12:37.17 | OpenTokix | gavi: att contrib non-free |
| 12:37.17 | gavi | mu-dev, so i look in sources.list for non-free |
| 12:37.25 | gavi | i remember ubuntu installed non-free flash perfectly |
| 12:37.36 | OpenTokix | gavi: debian will to, when you tell it to |
| 12:37.44 | erawfish | gavi: do what i told you |
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| 12:37.59 | Peanut | How bad is it if pciehp cannot be loaded? 'missing kernel or user space driver pciehp' |
| 12:38.07 | OpenTokix | gavi: do what erawfish said, about /msg dpkg |
| 12:38.12 | gavi | i just did it |
| 12:38.14 | gavi | im reading up |
| 12:38.20 | mu-dev | what is pchehp meant to support? |
| 12:38.26 | erawfish | what is pciehp Peanut ? |
| 12:38.32 | Peanut | My guess is PCI-Express hotplug |
| 12:38.41 | mu-dev | oic |
| 12:38.54 | erawfish | then you can*t hotplug... |
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| 12:38.56 | mu-dev | you have hotpluggables in pcie slots? :) |
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| 12:39.22 | Peanut | I dunno.. I have a new Intel duap-port GigE card in a PCI-E slot on Deb Sarge, and I can't load the driver. |
| 12:39.23 | OpenTokix | god I hate mysql |
| 12:39.34 | ringo999 | can i access hfs+ macosx filesystem from debian? |
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| 12:39.46 | Neaai | I have a box with 3 ethernet interfaces. One is assigned 2 public ips within the same subnet, the other 2 are for two lan-s 192.168.[1-2].0/24. Is there a way that while masquerading, the first lan exits towards the world using one public ip, and the other lan using the other? |
| 12:39.50 | mu-dev | OpenTokix: and mssql too? :) |
| 12:40.00 | OpenTokix | mu-dev: Never used |
| 12:40.18 | mu-dev | probably you're lucky then (and so am I) |
| 12:40.27 | mu-dev | you can't use pg? |
| 12:40.30 | cummins | only english in this chanel?? is there an german chanel |
| 12:40.37 | OpenTokix | mu-dev: the system is built around mysql |
| 12:40.37 | mu-dev | !de |
| 12:40.37 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 12:40.47 | OpenTokix | mu-dev: and I am trying to set up a slave on a running db |
| 12:40.48 | cummins | thx |
| 12:40.54 | OpenTokix | mu-dev: problem is the db is almost 9G big |
| 12:41.07 | OpenTokix | mu-dev: and when I have copied + merged the db, its so far along - the slave cant keep up |
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| 12:41.28 | mu-dev | you might experiment with transfering the data to a pg server |
| 12:41.37 | mu-dev | just to know if you can |
| 12:41.41 | OpenTokix | mu-dev: Its a homecooked app - relying in mysql |
| 12:42.26 | OpenTokix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.27 | OpenTokix | nice... |
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| 12:43.21 | erawfish | Neaai: just set the gateway |
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| 12:43.58 | gavi | the instructions from the link posted in /msg said one time.. i assume its refering to the line i need to add in the repo... is that correct? |
| 12:44.17 | mu-dev | to the sources.list yes |
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| 12:44.27 | erawfish | gavi: you make no sense |
| 12:44.45 | gavi | erawfish, excuese me... im just not firmiliar with the terminology |
| 12:44.50 | gavi | anyways i installed flash sucessfully |
| 12:44.55 | gavi | thanks folks... now java!! |
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| 12:45.25 | Neaai | erawfish: erawfish: but the public ips that the external interface has are within the same subnet. They have the same gateway. |
| 12:46.45 | erawfish | you only have one public ip |
| 12:47.00 | erawfish | 192.168/16 is not routed |
| 12:47.22 | hifi | oh yeah? ;) |
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| 12:47.39 | erawfish | and bonding is yet another issue if you want |
| 12:47.49 | hifi | seen many ispäs that do internal routing with private ranges |
| 12:47.53 | hifi | isp's* |
| 12:48.08 | erawfish | then you have a broken isp |
| 12:48.11 | erawfish | change it |
| 12:48.49 | Neaai | erawfish: On the external inteface I have 2 public ips set. Then the 2 internal interfaces have 192.168.[1-2].0/24. I was wishing one internal network to appear as public-ip-1 and the other as public-ip-2. Currently they both appear as the first public ip. |
| 12:48.51 | erawfish | and 192.168/16 is NO public IP ever |
| 12:49.09 | gavi | no candidate for package sun-java6-plugin.. i sitll didnt disable the line for non-free in my sources.list |
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| 12:49.29 | erawfish | gavi: you run etch. read the full factoid |
| 12:49.36 | erawfish | you need a backport |
| 12:49.46 | erawfish | gavi: or you run amd64 |
| 12:49.50 | gavi | etch? isnt etch the name of a debian type? |
| 12:50.08 | gavi | im running a p4 socket 478 |
| 12:50.11 | gavi | intel |
| 12:50.13 | erawfish | gavi: what debian do you run? |
| 12:50.26 | gavi | im not sure, but i dont think its etch |
| 12:50.29 | hifi | erawfish: http://rafb.net/p/stYjOJ35.html and thats directly from my public ip |
| 12:50.33 | erawfish | !version |
| 12:50.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 12:50.48 | hifi | internal routing completely done on private range |
| 12:51.05 | gavi | erawfish, how can i check what debain i am running? |
| 12:51.18 | erawfish | hifi: your ISP does NAT for you. this isp sucks |
| 12:51.29 | erawfish | gavi: dpkg just told you |
| 12:51.30 | hifi | I have no NAT or it's one-to-one |
| 12:51.43 | hifi | I have public ip that has open ports |
| 12:51.56 | erawfish | hifi: your isp doeas. now go away# |
| 12:52.11 | mu-dev | private ranges are not routed on the general internet |
| 12:52.12 | Xteven | hi |
| 12:52.13 | mu-dev | that is |
| 12:52.14 | gavi | erawfish, i dont see it |
| 12:52.17 | hifi | tried to make a point, asshole |
| 12:52.19 | erawfish | !version |
| 12:52.20 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 12:52.30 | mu-dev | I cannot get to you by your assigned ip |
| 12:52.35 | gavi | he dpkg says i can ask about amd64, but thats not helpful |
| 12:52.37 | erawfish | hifi: stop the ad hominem or I call ops |
| 12:52.46 | myrjala | good afternoon |
| 12:52.46 | Xteven | how well does debian integrate with selinux ? is it easy to setup and mature enough for production ? |
| 12:52.50 | hifi | you're a sad man |
| 12:53.00 | gavi | erawfish thanks |
| 12:53.09 | erawfish | gavi: answer me then |
| 12:53.11 | mu-dev | I'm happy... I know my IP :) |
| 12:53.17 | gavi | im reading it |
| 12:53.17 | myrjala | i have a problem with cronolog and apache2 running in debian 2.6.19 |
| 12:53.30 | OpenTokix | myrjala: what kind of problems? |
| 12:53.32 | erawfish | myrjala: there is no debian 2.6.19 |
| 12:53.40 | gavi | 4.0 |
| 12:53.55 | erawfish | gavi: you need backports |
| 12:53.57 | mu-dev | hifi: seriously... I do see your point... do you see mine? |
| 12:54.03 | gavi | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:54.17 | myrjala | ups |
| 12:54.20 | hifi | mu-dev: what, I didn't talk to you? |
| 12:54.21 | OpenTokix | myrjala: I am assuming you made a typo and mean debian with kernel 2.6.18, ie. Debian Etch or 4.0? |
| 12:54.22 | myrjala | debian 4.0 |
| 12:54.30 | OpenTokix | myrjala: What kind of problems are you having? |
| 12:54.34 | gavi | erawfish, when i do apt-get update i see locations to backports.org |
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| 12:54.49 | mu-dev | oh, ok... |
| 12:54.54 | erawfish | gavi: read backports.org instructions |
| 12:55.00 | gavi | ok |
| 12:55.04 | gavi | thanks |
| 12:55.08 | hifi | mu-dev: I tracerouted from different ip than I connect to IRC |
| 12:55.12 | hifi | if you tried to ping this ip |
| 12:55.14 | mu-dev | then I typed stuff that you didn't catch :) |
| 12:55.25 | erawfish | !ot |
| 12:55.25 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:55.43 | myrjala | i split apache log files with cronolog with this /usr/bin/cronolog /var/log/apache2/%Y/%m/%d/%H-access.log |
| 12:55.43 | erawfish | mu-dev, hifi: keep OT off channel |
| 12:55.48 | mu-dev | touchy touchy :P |
| 12:55.56 | hifi | erawfish: you're a really, really sad man, thats all |
| 12:55.56 | OpenTokix | myrjala: yes |
| 12:56.03 | myrjala | but logs don't appears until i do an apache reload |
| 12:56.19 | mu-dev | aside from which, this isn't off topic if it's explaining his issue |
| 12:56.32 | OpenTokix | myrjala: you want a new logfile every hour? |
| 12:56.35 | OpenTokix | myrjala: correct? |
| 12:56.35 | mu-dev | don't try to be arbitrary |
| 12:56.39 | myrjala | correct |
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| 12:56.47 | myrjala | OpenTokix: correct |
| 12:56.56 | gavi | is there a command like sudo in debian |
| 12:56.57 | erawfish | mu-dev: it's no debian support problem. you are not answering the original prob |
| 12:57.08 | erawfish | gavi: there is sudo yes |
| 12:57.09 | gavi | or must i completly log in as root with su - |
| 12:57.13 | erawfish | !sudo |
| 12:57.13 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 12:57.22 | gavi | erawfish, server is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 12:57.24 | mu-dev | you do seem to be grumpy. do you think it would help your mood to give this a rest for a few days? |
| 12:57.45 | OpenTokix | myrjala: ok, we are using cronolog, and it will rotate the log every day for us, no problem |
| 12:58.01 | mu-dev | (and your grumpyness is raising the channel temp) |
| 12:58.02 | myrjala | OpenTokix: but now i have: 09-access, 11 access and 13- access |
| 12:58.08 | gavi | erawfish, any suggestions? |
| 12:58.13 | erawfish | !ot |
| 12:58.13 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:58.15 | OpenTokix | myrjala: do you have a busy webserver? |
| 12:58.23 | OpenTokix | myrjala: ie. did you have any access 10? |
| 12:58.31 | erawfish | gavi: see the factoid. you have to config your sudo |
| 12:58.36 | hifi | erawfish: stop flooding the bot, you're not helping |
| 12:58.37 | mu-dev | who do I submit formal complaints to? |
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| 12:58.53 | erawfish | mu-dev: !ops <text> |
| 12:58.54 | gavi | erawfish, im not sure what a factoid is, can u paste me a link |
| 12:58.56 | OpenTokix | myrjala: bc. you will not have any log, unless something happens |
| 12:58.57 | myrjala | OpenTokix: yes, i have access at 10 but they are in the 13-access file |
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| 12:59.11 | erawfish | gavi: that stuff dpkg says are |
| 12:59.23 | OpenTokix | myrjala: hmm, strange |
| 12:59.35 | gavi | !factoid |
| 12:59.35 | dpkg | factoid is probably something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 12:59.38 | myrjala | OpenTokix: an only appeared the new file when i do an apache reload |
| 12:59.41 | mu-dev | no, that's for serious problems that are immediate in nature |
| 12:59.41 | trifler | Boo, that config xorg.conf to handle an external monitor on my laptop en let the laptops screen have one resolution and the external screen another should be so hard :S |
| 12:59.46 | OpenTokix | myrjala: 7.2G 2008-11-10 23:59 access_log.2008-11-10 <-- my log rotaed at 23:59 |
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| 13:00.06 | gavi | !config sudo |
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| 13:00.17 | mu-dev | this is a medium problem that would be solved if you took a few deep breaths |
| 13:00.25 | erawfish | !ot |
| 13:00.25 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 13:00.37 | gavi | erawfish, i didnt follow.. i appoligize.. |
| 13:00.38 | myrjala | OpenTokix: my logs shoud rotate every hour, and don't do that |
| 13:00.46 | OpenTokix | myrjala: strange |
| 13:00.52 | erawfish | !tell gavi about sudo |
| 13:00.59 | gavi | !sudo |
| 13:00.59 | dpkg | sudo is, like, (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 13:00.59 | mu-dev | !bot abuse |
| 13:00.59 | dpkg | huddles in the corner, whimpering 'please, please stop' |
| 13:01.02 | myrjala | OpenTokix: that's the reason 'im asking here |
| 13:01.23 | erawfish | !tell gavi about msgthebot |
| 13:01.25 | myrjala | OpenTokix: i have read the manuals and searched in the internet |
| 13:01.32 | gavi | erawfish, you threw me off when u used the word configure |
| 13:01.40 | gavi | i thought i need to do !configuring sudp |
| 13:01.42 | gavi | sudo* |
| 13:01.47 | OpenTokix | myrjala: =) |
| 13:02.05 | mu-dev | gavi: you can also /msg dpkg sudo and get the same info |
| 13:02.06 | myrjala | OpenTokix: :) |
| 13:02.44 | OpenTokix | myrjala: maybe you have to supply --period and --delay? |
| 13:02.50 | OpenTokix | myrjala: im guessing here |
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| 13:03.16 | erawfish | OpenTokix: isnt the rotating done with logrotate? |
| 13:03.17 | gavi | thanks mu-dev |
| 13:03.40 | aphexer | mu-dev: if you were interested in the ccache thing: I just had to debuild --prepend-path=/usr/lib/ccache/ (because debuild strips the PATH and environment vars). That's why regular ./configure; make worked, and debuild didn't. |
| 13:03.47 | OpenTokix | erawfish: We are talking cronolog here, and I say rotate when I get a new logile. Just the nomenclature I choose to use here. |
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| 13:04.59 | myrjala | OpenTokix: ihaven't tried, but... if i need to consult the logs in real time? |
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| 13:05.18 | OpenTokix | myrjala: realtime and realtime. You will get a couple of seconds lag |
| 13:05.37 | mu-dev | gavi: every time you !something here, you make the bot post to the channel... you can instead choose at least two other things... one, msg the bot (it will msg you back) and two, join #debian-bots where you will be surrounded by bots of all sizes and shapes and can address them without having them post (unnecessarily) to a channel as full to the gills as this one |
| 13:05.39 | OpenTokix | myrjala: Well, I can't really see why one would begin a new file every hour =) |
| 13:05.46 | mu-dev | just so you know :) |
| 13:06.27 | timawa | nope, i can't see how ACL's for a given directory could ALLOW a user to create FILES and disallow the same user to create DIRECTORIES. |
| 13:06.32 | erawfish | OpenTokix: OCD :P |
| 13:06.39 | OpenTokix | erawfish: haha |
| 13:06.45 | OpenTokix | erawfish: apt-get install ocd |
| 13:06.52 | juniper | I still can't get any text consoles going in etch. inittab seems fine (http://rafb.net/p/EoyZSY92.html) yet I only have term at F1, and that is the bootup and running of KDM (no accessible shell) |
| 13:06.57 | gavi | folks, i believe i installed java sucessfully. shall i comment out the backports till i need it next time? |
| 13:07.00 | myrjala | OpenTokix: it's a chief requeriment |
| 13:07.02 | OpenTokix | depends on tripwire, nagios, logwatch, logrotate, logmailer |
| 13:07.09 | OpenTokix | myrjala: ok |
| 13:07.14 | gavi | comment it out from sources.list |
| 13:07.15 | mu-dev | erawfish: omg! that's off topic! |
| 13:07.17 | erawfish | gavi: no need |
| 13:07.18 | OpenTokix | recommended syslog-ng |
| 13:07.20 | juniper | f2-f6 are all plain cursors (f7 is where X's gui is found) |
| 13:08.06 | myrjala | OpenTokix: but the real proble is: i have to consult logs in real time and now i don't see anything if i don't do a reload |
| 13:08.09 | erawfish | mu-dev: stop the trolling. I ignore you, you ignore me. deal? |
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| 13:08.26 | gavi | erawfish, thanks.... btw the dpkg message for sudo wasnt very helpful. can u giveme a few pointers |
| 13:08.29 | erawfish | juniper: pressed "enter" in f2? |
| 13:08.32 | juniper | yes |
| 13:08.33 | juniper | nothing |
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| 13:08.42 | erawfish | gavi: there are links in there |
| 13:08.43 | OpenTokix | myrjala: Can you paste your complete line you have in the .conf for the site? |
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| 13:09.02 | myrjala | OpenTokix: i'm going |
| 13:09.03 | erawfish | juniper: üpastebin the inittab and yyour prcess list |
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| 13:09.13 | OpenTokix | myrjala: just the cronlog-line |
| 13:09.19 | mu-dev | I question who was trolling in the first place... but ok, agreed so long as you refrain from treating anyone badly (I will make things quite formal otherwise) |
| 13:09.23 | erawfish | damn one hand typing :( |
| 13:09.23 | juniper | ps auxwf ? |
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| 13:09.36 | gavi | erawfish, 1 link.. but its poorly explained |
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| 13:09.47 | myrjala | OpenTokix: CustomLog "|/usr/bin/cronolog /var/log/apache2/%Y/%m/%d/%H-access.log" combinedvhost |
| 13:09.48 | gavi | ok.. ill try harder.. thankx |
| 13:09.48 | FoxM | Hi. my motherboard manufacturer (Intel) does not say anything about a limit on the size of the sata disk for the mobo (945GNT). Does that mean that I can put any size I can find on the market? No 8 GB size limit or something like that? |
| 13:09.52 | erawfish | gavi: two links. <visudo> |
| 13:10.10 | erawfish | FoxM: sata never had a 8GB limit |
| 13:10.41 | erawfish | FoxM: there is no limit and ##hardware |
| 13:10.43 | juniper | how would I cat a file into the clipboard? :) |
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| 13:11.04 | FoxM | erawfish: I know... I mean... is there a limit for chipsets with SATA supporT? |
| 13:11.09 | mu-dev | do you have a specific clipboard app? |
| 13:11.11 | OpenTokix | myrjala: CustomLog "|/usr/bin/cronolog /var/log/httpd/access/access_log.%Y-%m-%d" common <-- this is mine |
| 13:11.14 | juniper | klipper? |
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| 13:11.42 | myrjala | OpenTokix: both lines are equivalent |
| 13:11.44 | erawfish | FoxM: i already answered you |
| 13:11.56 | OpenTokix | myrjala: what is "combinedvhost"? |
| 13:12.07 | myrjala | OpenTokix: i paste it |
| 13:12.17 | mu-dev | ok, you do? so check its docs to see what accessory executables it has... could very well be you can do just that |
| 13:12.28 | FoxM | erawfish: Ohh thank you! I didn't read it. Thanks a lot |
| 13:12.30 | juniper | installs xclip |
| 13:12.44 | erawfish | juniper: what for? |
| 13:12.46 | mu-dev | or maybe you could drag a file icon onto the clipboard icon |
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| 13:12.59 | OpenTokix | myrjala: ok, hmm hmm |
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| 13:13.08 | erawfish | selectwith mouse copies, middle mousebutton pastes |
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| 13:13.28 | myrjala | OpenTokix: LogFormat "%v:%p %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\" in %D useconds %{ORGANISMO}e" combinedvhost --> ORGANISMO is set by a SetEnv directive |
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| 13:14.18 | juniper | cool.. cat file | xclip -i # Copies to x clipboard buffer.. that's nice. :) http://rafb.net/p/ZDHrYc55.html |
| 13:14.20 | gavi | AWSOME sudo is set |
| 13:14.22 | gavi | !!!! |
| 13:14.22 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 13:14.57 | mu-dev | mouse selection can be troublesome though |
| 13:15.08 | hifi | juniper: nice to know |
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| 13:15.16 | gavi | last question for now... what are the pros and cons between ubuntu and debian |
| 13:15.16 | juniper | at http://rafb.net/p/ZDHrYc55.html is my inittab and ps auxwf .. when etch boots up it handles normal process init and runs X (using KDE) on F1 (X11 found at F7) but I get no text consoles at ctrl-alt-f2-f6 |
| 13:15.22 | erawfish | juniper: no mgetty running |
| 13:15.28 | mu-dev | juniper: you found it :) |
| 13:15.33 | juniper | yeah.. why's mgetty not running? |
| 13:15.55 | mu-dev | mgetty is for modems :) |
| 13:16.01 | juniper | man.. it's not installed |
| 13:16.07 | erawfish | how sould we know. check logs |
| 13:16.18 | OpenTokix | myrjala: yes, saw it now |
| 13:16.22 | juniper | mingetty's not installed either.. installing now |
| 13:16.36 | juniper | hmm.. which one? mingetty, mgetty, rungetty? |
| 13:16.42 | erawfish | juniper: how did you instal etch? |
| 13:16.53 | mu-dev | you're running debian, right? |
| 13:16.55 | erawfish | mgetty is "default" |
| 13:16.56 | OpenTokix | myrjala: Can't you just reload apache every hour? =) |
| 13:16.57 | juniper | normal install with netdvd I believe.. it was a while ago. |
| 13:17.29 | mu-dev | root 3695 0.0 0.0 1580 488 tty1 Ss+ Nov03 0:00 /sbin/getty 384 |
| 13:17.32 | juniper | perhaps the etch install options, when you specify a graphical environment, don't give any console environment by default... |
| 13:17.40 | erawfish | juniper: no |
| 13:17.57 | juniper | oh yeah.. I do have getty.. if I run it by hand on the tty I want I will get a login prompt |
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| 13:18.19 | mu-dev | so it's not running automatically? |
| 13:18.24 | juniper | but /sbin/getty is not being ran by inittab, although it says it should be |
| 13:18.32 | juniper | "it" being inittab :) |
| 13:18.39 | myrjala | OpenTokix: it may be a solution but sometimes i have to see the lines in real time. I mean i have to see the log that is happening now |
| 13:18.46 | mu-dev | hmm |
| 13:18.50 | mu-dev | that's very weird |
| 13:18.51 | juniper | getting comes in util-linux .. and does exist.. |
| 13:18.53 | erawfish | juniper: ok, then use that |
| 13:19.01 | myrjala | OpenTokix: sorry, my english is a bit bad |
| 13:19.08 | OpenTokix | myrjala: you mean you cant tail -f /access-log? |
| 13:19.21 | juniper | I don't see any mention of getty or inittab in /var/log/{messages,syslog} |
| 13:19.38 | mu-dev | probably they don't log there |
| 13:20.13 | myrjala | OpenTokix: where is supossed to be that file? |
| 13:20.25 | OpenTokix | myrjala: nothing, I just shorted the path to your accesslog |
| 13:20.38 | erawfish | juniper: run it manually then |
| 13:20.39 | OpenTokix | myrjala: if you do tail -f on your access-log, there is... nothing? |
| 13:20.45 | juniper | searching logs shows my recent aptitude install of mgetty (which I did for no reason I guess): ls /var/log | grep -v '.gz$' | grep -v '[0-9]$' | xargs grep getty |
| 13:21.12 | juniper | erawfish, yeah.. but I can't unless I run it from within X or single-user boot. I don't have a text console from which to run it without X. |
| 13:21.16 | mu-dev | I guess you can use mgetty for other things... but it also has some special features |
| 13:21.31 | juniper | and the purpose for it is when I'm having a problem in X :) |
| 13:21.33 | mu-dev | like a serial console for example |
| 13:21.34 | myrjala | OpenTokix: there is an access.log file in /var/log/apache2 there is nothing in it |
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| 13:21.45 | mu-dev | does it work? |
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| 13:22.34 | OpenTokix | myrjala: if you do tail -f /var/log/apache2/2008/11/11/14-access.log |
| 13:22.37 | OpenTokix | you get nothing? |
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| 13:22.45 | belsen | hi! anybody knows hot to enter in #Python channel? i'm identified but i can't enter.it say #Python :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 13:22.55 | belsen | help me please! |
| 13:23.01 | myrjala | OpenTokix: that's the question |
| 13:23.12 | mu-dev | belsen: reg your nick /msg nickserv help |
| 13:23.13 | OpenTokix | myrjala: if you reload apache |
| 13:23.16 | Tenkawa | belsen: why are you asking us? |
| 13:23.19 | OpenTokix | that file would get created, right? |
| 13:23.29 | myrjala | OpenTokix: right |
| 13:23.38 | juniper | running /sbin/getty 38400 tty2 will give me a login prompt on term 2 .. looking into inittab verbose logging or something... |
| 13:23.44 | OpenTokix | myrjala: if you then do tail -f on that file, will you get info? |
| 13:23.49 | mu-dev | Tenkawa: it's ok... I just gave him a short answer |
| 13:23.55 | Tenkawa | mu-dev: :) |
| 13:24.10 | Tenkawa | mu-dev: he should be asking #freenode or #staff anyway |
| 13:25.22 | mu-dev | he didn't know that... there should also be a /help newuser here and there isn't |
| 13:25.30 | myrjala | OpenTokix: yes, but only info until the reload |
| 13:25.32 | myrjala | OpenTokix: if i wanna see new info i have to do another reload |
| 13:25.49 | jaggz | myrjaja, maybe ask in #apache? |
| 13:26.05 | belsen | thanx...i'll try |
| 13:26.13 | myrjala | jaggz: maybe |
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| 13:26.34 | jaggz | I didn't see your problem.. you are making custom log format entries and can't see anything in log? and you see apache running in ps? |
| 13:27.13 | myrjala | jaggz: what means ps? |
| 13:27.21 | myrjala | ps |
| 13:27.23 | myrjala | ups |
| 13:27.23 | jaggz | run "ps auxwf | less" |
| 13:27.25 | myrjala | yes |
| 13:27.31 | myrjala | i'ts running |
| 13:27.41 | jaggz | tail -f /var/log/apache2/* shows anything? |
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| 13:29.49 | myrjala | jaggz: shows all the end lines of all files bur not refreshes |
| 13:30.11 | gavi | is it dangerous to have port 23 open all the time? |
| 13:30.28 | OpenTokix | gavi: Well, depends |
| 13:30.33 | jaggz | try apache2ctl -k restart instead of using /etc/init.d/apache2 to control it |
| 13:30.34 | beardy | That depends on how you define "open" and what you run on it. |
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| 13:30.53 | gavi | OpenTokix, i installed vhcs and my server status says port 23 down... |
| 13:30.55 | jaggz | I've had problems with the init script not accessing the actual apache process for some reason (but I'm at debian-etch) |
| 13:30.57 | OpenTokix | gavi: telnet is not more insecure then anything else, loginwise - however. if you do login via telnet, someone can sniff your password |
| 13:31.16 | mu-dev | gavi: that's telnet right? and yes. |
| 13:31.24 | gavi | yes its telnet |
| 13:31.33 | jaggz | it's safer not to have it |
| 13:31.38 | mu-dev | yeah, telnet is bad news |
| 13:31.39 | beardy | OpenTokix: Well, the traffic isn't encrypted either, so saying that is a bit misleading. |
| 13:31.46 | gavi | so should i leave it down? |
| 13:31.58 | beardy | Why did you even consider running telnet? |
| 13:31.59 | jaggz | sshd has /etc/hosts.allow configuration as well as /etc/ssh/sshd_ options for controlling allowable host/ip connections |
| 13:32.01 | erawfish | gavi: yes. use sshd instead |
| 13:32.03 | myrjala | thank jaggz i'll try it |
| 13:32.04 | mu-dev | yeah, you could use sshd instead |
| 13:32.04 | OpenTokix | beardy: but if there is no traffic, it don't matter if its encrypted or not |
| 13:32.15 | gavi | ssh is open |
| 13:32.18 | gavi | but i dont have sshd |
| 13:32.20 | beardy | OpenTokix: True. |
| 13:32.28 | beardy | !installit |
| 13:32.29 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 13:32.29 | OpenTokix | beardy: his question was malformed |
| 13:32.34 | beardy | You don't have telnetd either. |
| 13:32.35 | mu-dev | can you ssh in? |
| 13:32.42 | jaggz | myrjala, you can try shutting it down with apache2ctl as well.. at least you know if you're accessing the apache server or not :) make sure you're accessing the proper apache (vs. apache2) as well |
| 13:32.43 | beardy | OpenTokix: Very much so, and probably not only that. |
| 13:32.44 | OpenTokix | gavi: apt-get install ssh |
| 13:32.50 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 13:32.50 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 13:32.53 | gavi | OpenTokix, its allready installed |
| 13:33.05 | OpenTokix | gavi: then you have sshd |
| 13:33.11 | gavi | but port 23 is down |
| 13:33.21 | jaggz | maybe you have xinit handling port 23 but no telnet installed.. it's not a problem really.. but why have the extra port.. |
| 13:33.25 | gavi | ssh is using port 22 |
| 13:33.30 | jaggz | oh.. leave it down then.. what's the problem?? |
| 13:33.31 | mu-dev | and that's probably what you want |
| 13:33.33 | beardy | gavi: ssh runs on port 22 by default |
| 13:33.44 | gavi | telnet is installed cause when i do telnet i see the telnet console |
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| 13:33.56 | mu-dev | that's the client not the serve |
| 13:33.58 | mu-dev | rr |
| 13:33.58 | gavi | but my server is reporting it as down |
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| 13:33.59 | beardy | gavi: The telnet client yes. |
| 13:34.04 | gavi | mu-dev, ahh i see |
| 13:34.09 | beardy | gavi: Then all is good. |
| 13:34.09 | jaggz | install nmap and run nmap localhost |
| 13:34.23 | gavi | jaggz, what will that do |
| 13:34.23 | jaggz | that's always fun. |
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| 13:34.44 | mu-dev | if yer in a hurry run nmap -Tinsane |
| 13:34.57 | myrjala | jaggz: i restarted apache with this instruction and still the same. I access to the server but doesn't appears my access until i restart or reload |
| 13:35.00 | gavi | does cpanel have support for telnet? |
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| 13:35.26 | beardy | cpanel is not supported here. |
| 13:35.29 | beardy | Forget telnet. |
| 13:35.34 | gavi | ok |
| 13:35.34 | mu-dev | hopefully it has support for sshy |
| 13:35.35 | gavi | thanks |
| 13:35.39 | jaggz | myrjala, oh, you mean the logs do not show it live? they are caching the data and writing it in chunks.. that's a good thing |
| 13:36.03 | jaggz | text chat sucks for communications sometimes I swear. |
| 13:36.45 | myrjala | jaggz: but i need to see the data in live. |
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| 13:38.06 | jaggz | so your only problem is the live-logging .. it will take a little bit until the output log buffering is written to the logs. If you are running a high-volume server it will be written out fast enough, no problem.. if it's low volume then maybe an access won't be written for a while.. I'm not sure if they are flushed periodically or if it's the stdio buffering involved (in which case I believe it is up to the stdio's settings.. I don |
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| 13:39.13 | FR33L4NC3 | is there a JavaScript supporting textbased Webbrowser for debian? |
| 13:39.21 | Sling | elinks |
| 13:39.23 | Neaai | I have a box with 3 ethernet interfaces. One is assigned 2 public ips within the same subnet, the other 2 ethernets are for two lan-s 192.168.[1-2].0/24. Is there a way that the first lan exits towards the world using one public ip, and the other lan using the other? So blacklisting one ip will only affect the corresponding (and offending) lan, and not the other. |
| 13:39.34 | jaggz | ask #apache type people if you can get apache to do line-buffering on the output logs, or if you can decrease the log buffer size; or, again, if you are getting enough access on your final server it won't matter much. |
| 13:39.57 | myrjala | jaggz: so if i have more access i have my logs earlier? |
| 13:40.02 | jaggz | right |
| 13:40.09 | myrjala | ok |
| 13:40.17 | myrjala | thanks so much |
| 13:40.34 | myrjala | now i understand |
| 13:41.11 | jaggz | it's called "buffering" and systems really need it or else they have to access the disk too often. they usually buffer data in chunks of 8k bytes or whatever it is nowadays. programmers can set the type of buffering (write out a complete line), no buffering, or the size of the chunk/block to be written/read at a time. |
| 13:41.26 | enouf | FR33L4NC3: links2, elinks, others perhaps |
| 13:41.33 | jaggz | actual systems have many levels of buffering |
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| 13:42.15 | jaggz | fr33l4nc3, but how will you see the trail of javascript cat-dog icons following your mouse? :( |
| 13:42.29 | jelly | Sling: elinks does NOT do javascript |
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| 13:42.36 | Sling | it does |
| 13:42.39 | enouf | FR33L4NC3: links2 doesn't support crappy javashit, but supports the decent kind (whichever that is) |
| 13:42.43 | jelly | Sling: since v which? |
| 13:42.45 | kunshin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.50 | Sling | when you compile it with js support that is |
| 13:42.57 | jelly | Sling: "in debian" |
| 13:43.08 | myrjala | jaggz: so i only have to configure the block size |
| 13:43.20 | Sling | hm well yea, maybe not the repo version, not sure |
| 13:43.21 | enouf | for debian != in debian :-p |
| 13:43.51 | jelly | enouf: oh, right. |
| 13:44.01 | enouf | anyways .. off to work i go yo ;-) |
| 13:44.10 | jaggz | myrjala, if it's a high-access server you leave it alone because you need the buffering for system speed (and the timing won't matter). If it's a low-volume server you can get away with switching to line-buffering IF apache handles it.. go ahead and ask apache people now though or look it up on the web because I don't know about apache's settings |
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| 13:44.16 | jelly | very well, continue offering out-of-distro custom builds as solutions. |
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| 13:45.36 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.29 | myrjala | jaggz: it will be a hihg-access server soon. Now i'm testing it and i thought there was a problem |
| 13:46.55 | FR33L4NC3 | jaggz: What mouse? |
| 13:47.11 | jaggz | no problem.. but I can understand if you are writing log processing programs that you might want it off.. it says it's off, but in my experience with apache 1.3 it does buffer it anyway -- maybe the buffering default is different in apache 1.3 |
| 13:47.16 | FR33L4NC3 | jaggz: No mouse in command line OS-es |
| 13:47.18 | jaggz | fr33, joke |
| 13:47.21 | FR33L4NC3 | :P |
| 13:47.32 | jaggz | run gpm and you'll have mouse in text console :) |
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| 13:48.50 | scales11 | hi all. i installed slim as my login manager. it was working fine last night however i uninstalled gdm and all its dependencies and slim no longer starts. any idea why? |
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| 13:51.30 | gavi | can postfix give ssl support? |
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| 13:51.39 | gavi | pop3-ssl |
| 13:51.43 | gavi | or imap-ssl |
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| 13:56.16 | stew | gavi: postfix has ssl support, but postfix doesn't do either imap or pop, just smtp |
| 13:56.33 | gavi | i see |
| 13:56.35 | gavi | thanks stew |
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| 14:21.41 | erawfish | gavi: ûse something like courier-imap for imap-ss |
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| 14:22.18 | gavi | erawfish, already did! |
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| 14:22.48 | gavi | erawfish, do i fall in the newb catagory? |
| 14:23.33 | gavi | :D |
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| 14:24.31 | mahen2 | debian rulz |
| 14:24.31 | mahen2 | yeah |
| 14:24.52 | gavi | mahen2, lol |
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| 14:25.09 | mahen2 | thats all i wanted to say |
| 14:25.25 | gavi | you already said more than taht |
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| 14:26.31 | gavi | is there anyone who has used vhcs before? i cannot find where to set the nameservers? |
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| 14:26.38 | mu-dev | yue sed yuer uh gooder speler den eye |
| 14:26.43 | jaggz | I think I should update all my held-back packages in etch before I do a dist-upgrade right? |
| 14:26.48 | jaggz | how do I do that? (update all held packages) |
| 14:27.02 | asg | jaggz: remove the hold and update |
| 14:27.05 | gavi | i dont want to set it from bind unless im sure that vhcs doesnt handle the configuration on its own |
| 14:27.10 | jaggz | it's a LOT of packages |
| 14:27.18 | mu-dev | the dist-upgrade will probably do that if you didn't place the hold yourself |
| 14:27.25 | asg | jaggz: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 14:27.32 | jaggz | I'm worried about packages handling the conversion of their config files.. |
| 14:27.47 | jaggz | I don't know if that's handled anyway (so I figure I might wreck my system with the dist-upgrade anyway) :\ |
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| 14:28.32 | jaggz | if I don't need to update all those, within etch first, I'll just let dist-upgrade break everything right off the bat |
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| 14:28.59 | jaggz | (InshAllah it will all go relatively well) |
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| 14:29.39 | mu-dev | I'm pretty sure that in the process of the dist-upgrade it will either keep things together as it goes or just replace with the version it wants to... |
| 14:29.53 | mu-dev | now having said this... you're upgrading from what to what? |
| 14:30.17 | jaggz | etch to lenny is recommended right? this is my own "personal" and development system |
| 14:30.36 | mu-dev | lenny is a slowly moving target |
| 14:30.45 | mu-dev | etch is fixed |
| 14:30.46 | lostson | thats what i did i upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 14:30.59 | mu-dev | that stability is good for servers |
| 14:31.15 | phorce1 | so, vserver, virtualbox, or xen? Which is easiest to install on lenny staying completely in the lenny repositories to build 2 or three completely web separate servers on a single machine. Which one has the best walkthrough posted somewhere? |
| 14:31.17 | mu-dev | and desktops if you don't mind using older stuff for awhile |
| 14:31.36 | jaggz | okay.. maybe I should wait then.. just that I keep having problems here and there... I have a Konsole set to run with Win-S being hit, and it sometimes works, then when I just did it it locked up my keyboard completely (had to restart the X session) |
| 14:31.45 | mu-dev | but I imagine you're upgrading specifically because you want newer stuff? |
| 14:31.54 | asg | phorce1: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 14:32.05 | jaggz | I guess, since I'm looking for stability, I should stay at etch :) |
| 14:32.08 | myrjala | time to go |
| 14:32.15 | myrjala | thks for all |
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| 14:32.53 | jaggz | how do I get keyrings for other servers like http://apt.byteme.org.uk and http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:33.06 | mu-dev | if you have a spare machine around, you could try lenny |
| 14:33.41 | jaggz | nah, no spares |
| 14:33.53 | jaggz | although I might update a 3.5 year old ubuntu system soon |
| 14:34.04 | phorce1 | asg: hmph. All my googling of "lenny xen install" didn't point me to that page but rather to some really out of date pages on the Xen wiki |
| 14:34.08 | mu-dev | oh well... what's the purpose of the machine you were going to upgrade? |
| 14:34.08 | phorce1 | asg: thank you |
| 14:34.24 | jaggz | that's this one here.. same as the other .. one is my laptop this is desktop. |
| 14:34.32 | jaggz | I program on both of them.. just different rooms in the house |
| 14:34.43 | mu-dev | hmm. |
| 14:34.58 | mu-dev | do you use compiled languages? |
| 14:35.01 | jaggz | c |
| 14:35.22 | mu-dev | ok, that's probably a good reason to stay a bit conservative |
| 14:35.33 | jaggz | I wish there were something else portable, and not such a memory hog like java seems to be |
| 14:35.47 | jaggz | so I could code linux, win, osx |
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| 14:36.18 | mu-dev | a coupla advantages, one being the stability, and the other being that both your desktop and your laptop will have the same versions of things available, same compilers, etc |
| 14:36.23 | jaggz | I've been working on a perl project for a while, but for non-techies it's not useful for them. |
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| 14:37.46 | jaggz | that's a good point.. although my c code isn't very demanding in terms of specialized libs.. using my own library of tools, and mostly for web development. |
| 14:38.17 | jaggz | but that's partially a limitation -- hence, were I to code up something requiring a GUI.. well.. I haven't really ever done it.. it seems such a pain to do. |
| 14:38.19 | mu-dev | web development? |
| 14:38.42 | mu-dev | oh man... don't let it get big enough that it takes all day to do full rebuilds |
| 14:38.48 | jaggz | I made a particle grid with spring-forces between them .. in java before. |
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| 14:39.38 | mu-dev | you had to solve des? |
| 14:40.28 | kunshin | how to open .deb files ? |
| 14:40.29 | jaggz | takes less than a minute to compile the whole lib :) just things like, HTML parsing, hash tables, database access wrappers, handy dandy utilities everyone should write for themselves. |
| 14:40.37 | amphi | jaggz: wxwidgets? |
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| 14:41.14 | jaggz | amphi, looking into it.. it looks .. exciting to me! :) |
| 14:41.25 | mu-dev | kunshin: open? you can extract them |
| 14:41.48 | mu-dev | a .deb is a .ar containgin 2 .tar.gzs and a text file |
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| 14:42.16 | amphi | jaggz: AFAIK, a program using that should only need a recompile on another platform |
| 14:42.49 | stew | kunshin: use dpkg -e / dpkg -x to extract the control / data files |
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| 14:43.25 | jaggz | hell, audacity uses it? awesome |
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| 14:43.51 | jaggz | (under linux, audacity users should try rezound as well) |
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| 14:45.39 | jaggz | now, the only reason to use java is because it has classes, like excel support.. I'd have to handle that in C as well.. man, why's java have to use so much memory? I wonder if it's these programmer's faults.. I might code more efficiently than them and be fine with java |
| 14:46.12 | jaggz | in perl I wasn't even using perl's excel spreadsheet support; I just used comma-separated (.csv) modules. |
| 14:46.50 | mu-dev | I guess you could do the same thing in c, c++ or java |
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| 14:47.37 | jaggz | the java's classes are nice I think.. but I am not sure yet how to go about developing in it.. |
| 14:47.49 | jaggz | anyway, off topic I guess. |
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| 14:49.37 | jaggz | (I can compile for windows using MingW within Linux, by the way.. but with java I wouldn't need to bother with any of it) |
| 14:49.47 | jaggz | anyway, enough of that for now :) |
| 14:49.51 | jaggz | thanks, mu-dev |
| 14:49.57 | lbt | hi, so I've recently re-installed Debian and I want to sort out my networking. It appears that Networkmanager is running. I used to have /etc/network/interfaces contain eth0 but the little documentation I found seems to say I should clear this... |
| 14:50.17 | mu-dev | np... |
| 14:50.23 | lbt | any pointers on Networkmanager (man doesn't help) |
| 14:51.15 | mu-dev | lbt: not sure what networkmanager does; if it were designed to go with debian it should probably use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:51.30 | mu-dev | whether it does or not, no idea |
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| 14:51.58 | jaggz | so, anyone know why my etch keyboard shortcut (Win-S to run Konsole) is locking up my system? Control Panels -> Regional /accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Command Shortcuts -> System -> Konsole was set to Win-S. |
| 14:52.02 | lrp | hello evryone here |
| 14:52.43 | jaggz | (asking in #debian-kde, nevermind here) |
| 14:53.01 | lbt | mu-dev: that is what I would have thought |
| 14:53.32 | lrp | im having a trouble with my mail server , he is consideryng valid mail as spam , what i have to do to fix that ? im using amavis clamav postfix and spamassassin |
| 14:54.08 | mu-dev | I have no actual idea whether it's a good idea to clear that file if uyou're using networkmanager... one safe thing to do is copy it |
| 14:55.28 | erawfish | lrp: find out why it considers it spam, ie which part of the chain flags it? |
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| 14:55.55 | lrp | erawfish, http://pastebin.ca/1253314 |
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| 14:58.57 | lrp | erawfish, im cheking the config of amavis |
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| 15:04.47 | jaggz | I have 54gb of photos and home videos files.. I wonder what I should do with them |
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| 15:05.20 | suwro | hello |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | jaggz: flikr |
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| 15:05.27 | mu-dev | build a personal photo.net |
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| 15:05.31 | suwro | which package contain the ip command? |
| 15:05.34 | jaggz | using gqview to find and possibly remove duplicates.. but it would be nice to have an AI categorization system |
| 15:05.38 | abrotman | !tell suwro about search |
| 15:05.38 | asg | suwro: iproute2 |
| 15:05.50 | suwro | thank you |
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| 15:09.54 | suwro | abrotman: have you ever seen the results for dpkg -S ip ??/ |
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| 15:10.46 | mu-dev | or howbout going to packages.debian.org and look at their search tools |
| 15:10.47 | abrotman | suwro: you're doing it wrong |
| 15:10.56 | lrp | any ideas ? |
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| 15:12.09 | stew | suwro: you want "apt-file -F search bin/ip" or "dpkg -S bin/ip" |
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| 15:12.41 | abrotman | suwro: dpkg -S bin/ip .. is one way .. dpkg -S ip | egrep "ip$" .. apt-file search |
| 15:12.42 | ghaleb | hello, I'm trying to write a shell script, I need to pass an argument to a command inside the script but there is no argument to this command to pass through, instead, it asks for it while the execution, how can I pass it through echo or sth ? |
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| 15:13.53 | suwro | abrotman: thank you - can you upgrade dpkg's message with this ? |
| 15:14.02 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
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| 15:14.16 | suwro | abrotman: you-re right |
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| 15:14.44 | stew | ghaleb: possibly with echo, if not, with expect, assuming the command is using stdin/stdout, and not interacting directly with the terminal |
| 15:14.52 | mu-dev | you rewrite? |
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| 15:14.56 | suwro | abrotman: dpkg -S ip | egrep "ip$" is not there. |
| 15:15.59 | ghaleb | stew: the command like passwd , it asks for a password in the execution time |
| 15:16.07 | tapioco | hi |
| 15:16.21 | tapioco | please I need help choosing a server for my office |
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| 15:16.44 | abrotman | suwro: that only works on apckages that are installed |
| 15:17.01 | stew | ghaleb: yes, i believe that passwd is interacting with the terminal, not using stdin/stdout, so you't not be able to use echo |
| 15:17.10 | medc | hello, anyone willing to help me "I tried to install the 3d accel on my ATI Radeon 2600 HD" but everything is just lagged : |
| 15:18.06 | stew | ghaleb: i'd recommend creating the user with no password, creating a MD5 password hash with mkpasswd, then setting the password with usermod |
| 15:18.29 | ghaleb | stew: no no I'm not using passwd, it's just an example |
| 15:18.51 | ghaleb | stew: so, what is the another option ? |
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| 15:19.03 | ghaleb | 'expect' ? |
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| 15:19.29 | stew | ghaleb: creating a user with useradd which allows you to specify a password hash on the command line, then create the home directory yourself |
| 15:19.30 | arisv | hello, is there anybody with debian sid using xmms? |
| 15:19.40 | OpenTokix | arisv: yes |
| 15:19.42 | arisv | there is a conflict with libglib version, I think.. |
| 15:19.44 | DimmuR| | arisv, yes |
| 15:19.47 | arisv | how can I solve this? :) |
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| 15:20.03 | OpenTokix | arisv: huh? |
| 15:20.14 | ghaleb | stew: I'm not adding users in my script, I just gave an example , |
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| 15:20.19 | LimCore | how to track how much bytes I did received/sent via my g3 modem? (and persist this info between reboots/logouts) |
| 15:20.20 | OpenTokix | arisv: are you compiling? |
| 15:20.23 | stew | ghaleb: what are you doing in your script? |
| 15:20.26 | arisv | OpenTokix: yep |
| 15:20.35 | OpenTokix | arisv: why? |
| 15:20.36 | DimmuR| | arisv, why don't use deb-src ? |
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| 15:20.42 | OpenTokix | arisv: # xmms1 |
| 15:20.42 | OpenTokix | deb http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~knuta/xmms/lenny ./ |
| 15:20.42 | OpenTokix | deb-src http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~knuta/xmms/lenny ./ |
| 15:20.50 | pothibo | Is it possible to resize a partition in Debian without using a live CD, couldn't I just umount the 2 partition I want to resize ? |
| 15:20.54 | arisv | ok, let me see |
| 15:20.57 | stew | xmms is no longer in lenny/sid |
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| 15:21.15 | OpenTokix | arisv: that source I pasted is awesome =) |
| 15:21.22 | OpenTokix | arisv: will not give flac-support tho |
| 15:21.31 | arisv | stew: that's right, when am going to install it, it keeps telling me about libglib1.2 and in sid there is libglib1.2dbl by default.. |
| 15:21.38 | arisv | by that source it will work? |
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| 15:22.03 | OpenTokix | arisv: yes, I am using it as we speak. That paste is from my current apt-source.list |
| 15:22.05 | stew | arisv: why do you want the no longer supported / developed xmms instead of something supported like xmms2 or audacity or one of the other dozens? |
| 15:22.26 | arisv | stew: xmms2? |
| 15:22.27 | OpenTokix | stew: simple, xmms2, audacity, rythmbox etc. is crap |
| 15:22.32 | arisv | crap |
| 15:22.34 | arisv | xmms rocks |
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| 15:23.04 | OpenTokix | arisv: xmms2 is a client/server bases mediaplayer. Very competent, but somewhat complicated and relies heavy on id3-tags and a music library |
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| 15:23.30 | arisv | OpenTokix: after adding that source, what am gonna type? apt-get install xmms? |
| 15:23.52 | OpenTokix | arisv: http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~knuta/xmms/ |
| 15:24.08 | arisv | is it down? |
| 15:24.08 | arisv | :( |
| 15:24.12 | OpenTokix | arisv: no |
| 15:24.20 | arisv | mmm.. can't resolve it |
| 15:24.20 | OpenTokix | arisv: im just reading the page I just posted |
| 15:24.29 | stew | xmms was removed from debian becuase it was so buggy and nobody was doing anything about it |
| 15:24.30 | ghaleb | stew: it's a long story :) , I just trying to figure out what can expect do |
| 15:24.36 | arisv | weird |
| 15:25.36 | arisv | OpenTokix: can't open the site, damn' it |
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| 15:26.29 | OpenTokix | arisv: ok |
| 15:26.47 | OpenTokix | arisv: works here(tm) - gl |
| 15:26.48 | OpenTokix | *gone* |
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| 15:32.51 | dustybin | why cant one find 'mod security' in available apache2 modules? |
| 15:33.07 | asg | dustybin: it was removed for licensing reasons |
| 15:33.12 | arisv | OpenTokix: still here? |
| 15:33.24 | asg | dustybin: you can easily compile it from the source provided at modsecurity.org though |
| 15:33.26 | dustybin | hhh |
| 15:33.28 | dustybin | ohh |
| 15:33.30 | stew | dustybin: becuase the mod_security author has licensed it such that it is not possible to distribute pre-compiled binaries |
| 15:33.51 | dustybin | ok thanks |
| 15:33.53 | stew | well possible, but not legal |
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| 15:38.15 | dustybin | stew: i found this http://etc.inittab.org/~agi/debian/libapache-mod-security2/ |
| 15:38.41 | dustybin | there are some .debs there, i wonder if they will work |
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| 15:41.41 | arisv | apt-get install without dependencies syntax? |
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| 15:42.47 | stew | arisv: why would you want to install something without dependencies? |
| 15:43.24 | arisv | stew: well, i did install libgtk1.2 from stable, and now i want to upgrade it without to remove xmms |
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| 15:43.41 | pozic | Do bugs in an old Linux kernel running on a router have the same security implications as those running on a PC? |
| 15:43.44 | _A_Fantastic | Hello_World.deb |
| 15:43.50 | stew | arisv: recompile xmms against the newer gtk then |
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| 15:44.07 | arisv | ok |
| 15:44.22 | pozic | And if so, is there some website that has new firmware? |
| 15:44.42 | stew | arisv: there is no way to tell apt to ignore the dependencies forever, you can only tell it to ignore the dependencies once (it would bug you for every operation until the dependencies are satisfied) |
| 15:44.49 | pozic | Or is it just lookup vendor website and hope for the best? |
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| 15:45.45 | arisv | stew: ok, so i just do not update the libgtk :) |
| 15:46.09 | miksuh | arisv: or use another player :) |
| 15:46.27 | libertad | I have a router Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp1 (07/27/08) mega. I'd like to keep a record of pages visited by computers. Anybody got an idea? |
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| 15:46.58 | keith4_ | libertad: sure. try #dd-wrt |
| 15:47.28 | arisv | miksuh: yeah :) |
| 15:47.35 | libertad | I'm already there |
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| 15:56.30 | ringo999 | anyone using debian with macbook? how did you get wifi to work? |
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| 15:57.42 | cahoot | what wifi device? |
| 15:58.08 | cahoot | (lspci -nn) |
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| 16:01.01 | libertad | root@DD-WRT:~# rflow |
| 16:01.03 | libertad | No interfaces initialized. |
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| 16:07.50 | martyn-dev | He. what's up!!! |
| 16:08.05 | Sling | the sky |
| 16:08.16 | martyn-dev | :| |
| 16:09.16 | jamon | and the aether above that.. |
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| 16:10.08 | martyn-dev | i have a centrino intel 4965 and i'm installing iwlwifi-1.2.25 .. mac80211 module it's load ok. But when i try compile iwlwifi-1.2.25 I get error :( |
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| 16:11.04 | martyn-dev | this is the header of log http://pastebin.com/m3b1b7729 :( |
| 16:11.14 | martyn-dev | Somebody to help me ? |
| 16:11.16 | libertad | I have a Linksys WRT300N v1.1 |
| 16:11.23 | libertad | root@DD-WRT:~# rflow No interfaces initialized. |
| 16:11.26 | libertad | some idea? |
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| 16:13.58 | ech0dish | hey guys |
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| 16:14.14 | joltcan | libertad: What is rflow? |
| 16:14.30 | ech0dish | i have a question but it's not specifically related to debian however I know you guys are just about the best place to ask for help on things so i was wondering if perhaps you could help me real quick? |
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| 16:14.45 | libertad | joltcan: Google's your friend |
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| 16:15.11 | ech0dish | i have a site containing multiple html files, all named the same except for a date and time at the end |
| 16:15.26 | ech0dish | i need to search all the html files for a specific word |
| 16:15.26 | joltcan | libertad: well, you are the one who needed help and joined #debian for your openwrt-problems :) |
| 16:15.42 | libertad | XD |
| 16:15.51 | ech0dish | any ideas? |
| 16:15.53 | joltcan | ech0dish: grep -ri theword *html ? |
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| 16:16.00 | jelly | ech0dish: man grep; read about -r and -i options |
| 16:16.03 | ech0dish | will that search a remote server? |
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| 16:16.07 | jelly | ech0dish: no. |
| 16:16.14 | ech0dish | i need to search http:// |
| 16:16.24 | ech0dish | but a specific site |
| 16:16.29 | jelly | ech0dish: interactively? |
| 16:16.36 | ech0dish | which contains nothing but html files |
| 16:16.46 | joltcan | ech0dish: then you have to either a) use a web crawler or b) wget the site and then search it locally |
| 16:17.00 | jelly | ech0dish: you can download them all using wget or similar, then grep the local copy |
| 16:17.15 | joltcan | jelly: ^5 |
| 16:17.18 | ech0dish | how would i download say, http://compcycle.org/target/ |
| 16:17.20 | jelly | stops being redundantly duplicate |
| 16:17.23 | ech0dish | and all it's contents with wget |
| 16:17.27 | hedgehoginfog | how do i run a specific application in a specific language? |
| 16:17.39 | joltcan | ech0dish: Start with either man wget or google for wget recursive |
| 16:17.45 | ech0dish | ok |
| 16:17.52 | ech0dish | thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
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| 16:18.00 | ech0dish | all i would expect :) |
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| 16:18.12 | joltcan | ech0dish: but -r and -l is good options to start with |
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| 16:18.21 | jelly | and --no-parent |
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| 16:19.01 | jelly | ech0dish: or ask the site owners to grep for you. leeching off the whole site can be considered rude |
| 16:19.19 | stew | the site specifically allows it |
| 16:19.26 | ech0dish | it's mine just a shared server |
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| 16:19.42 | joltcan | ech0dish: And you don't get a shell? |
| 16:19.45 | stew | ech0dish: the site is yours? do you have ssh access? |
| 16:20.01 | ech0dish | i might |
| 16:20.05 | ech0dish | haven't tried |
| 16:20.06 | jaggz | damn.. anyone use openoffice calc and program macros?? |
| 16:20.12 | joltcan | stops the redundancy and goes back to uglyhacks in python |
| 16:20.34 | ech0dish | yes |
| 16:20.36 | ech0dish | have ssh |
| 16:20.37 | jaggz | trying to replace all these cells with [[original cell text]] like ^.*$ with [[&]] |
| 16:20.39 | ech0dish | am in now |
| 16:20.48 | ech0dish | didn't know my service provider offered that |
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| 16:21.27 | n3kl | Wow, adobe flash is way better than anything open source. |
| 16:21.34 | n3kl | I had no idea |
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| 16:22.56 | ech0dish | awww what horse blah |
| 16:22.57 | abrotman | define 'better' |
| 16:23.00 | ech0dish | i have to fax |
| 16:23.04 | ech0dish | to enable my ssh |
| 16:23.42 | ech0dish | will just need to wget it then |
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| 16:26.35 | n3kl | abrotman: its much much faster |
| 16:26.41 | n3kl | abrotman: responds better |
| 16:26.52 | n3kl | interactivity is smoother |
| 16:26.58 | n3kl | less cpu intensive |
| 16:27.03 | n3kl | ya know, better |
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| 16:28.47 | zaph | is there any alive apt-mirrors for sarge still alive? everyone seems to be hosting etch-packets nowadays |
| 16:29.07 | n3kl | zaph: can you upgrade? |
| 16:29.16 | ech0dish | wget -r --no-parent http://compcycle.org/target/ |
| 16:29.18 | ech0dish | thanks guys |
| 16:29.19 | ech0dish | :) |
| 16:29.29 | zaph | n3kl: no, problem is i cant. or well, i can, but theres to much work :) |
| 16:29.30 | ech0dish | then just have to wait and search locally |
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| 16:31.03 | darius12 | anyone with a b44 ethernet card here? |
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| 16:32.05 | nenood | hi guys.. is there any way to disable the security mirror in live-helper? I want to build an experimental live disc, but it always wants a security mirror (which is not avaibale for experimental) |
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| 16:35.04 | ma3x | abrotman: what's up? |
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| 16:37.19 | stew | nenood: you might ask #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
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| 16:43.04 | assasukasse_ | 2.6.26 is the final kernel lenny will have? |
| 16:43.12 | assasukasse_ | or 2.6.27? |
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| 16:43.38 | Kealle | this is weird, just installed debian with netinst. Typed in pass for root, pass and unsername for user, but none of them are working when I try to log on for the first time. Does anyone have any ideas why? (Im absolutly positive about the caps, I've even tried it reversed) |
| 16:44.27 | cahoot | Kealle: changed keyboard lyout ? |
| 16:45.22 | Kealle | cahoot, not to my knowledge, I set it to Norwegian during the installation process, I can try to type the pass into the username prompt to see if it comes out as the same. |
| 16:45.26 | ronr | hi, what's the right way to add a route to a server functioning as gateway / dhcp server (2 network interface, one to the local lan and one to the internet, shorewall masquerades and does some port forwarding). I got a machine running some virtualization in a private subnet and want other computers in the network to be able to reach the virtual machines, but the gateway throws those ips (rightfully) on the external nic |
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| 16:46.13 | erawfish | ronr: man interfaces usually |
| 16:46.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 16:47.25 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone recommend me an USB disk enclosure for notebook HDs (IDE or SATA) which actually honor hdparm suspend commands? |
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| 16:47.38 | Kealle | cahoot: I typed it in, it showed as the same as it should... weird! |
| 16:47.51 | ronr | erawfish: how do you mean that? the gateway has none of the ips of the private subnet, so how could I define an interface for it? |
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| 16:48.32 | Kealle | hmmm, what can I do? |
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| 16:48.47 | stew | Kealle: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 16:48.54 | ronr | erawfish: I think I need to do a route command (which I can figure out), but that would get lost at reboots, I guess there is a 'right' place to put those (instead of inventing my own name and putting it in /etc/init.d) |
| 16:49.14 | Kealle | okey, thank you, stew |
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| 16:52.58 | erawfish | ronr: and I told you where to put it |
| 16:53.12 | ringo999 | how do i install the ath9k wireless driver on debian= |
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| 16:53.39 | stew | ronr: use an up or post-up line in interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 16:53.56 | ronr | stew: ah, ok... thx |
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| 16:56.07 | gomiam | I'm a bit stumped. I'm using Debian testing/unstable and, since kernel 2.6.24 I have been unable to get the network to act correctly with the standard /etc/init.d/networking file: the system will start up ok and drop dead just a bit after showing a "lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions" message while doing "ifup -a" on the mentioned script. |
| 16:56.28 | cahoot | ringo999: try /msg dpkg ath9k |
| 16:57.13 | gomiam | I have been able to work around it by sleeping before and after the start section of the script does its work, but I don't like it. Has anybody else met this problem? |
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| 16:57.34 | gomiam | (oh, the install disks for testing AMD64 freeze too) |
| 16:59.04 | gomiam | As I type I'm trying different sleep times in order to see what happens. Currently, having a 30s sleep before actually starting and a 10s sleep after finishing "start)" helps. |
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| 17:02.17 | mofino | Does anyone have the bare minimum configuration (files) requires for building a deb package? Or a site with that information? |
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| 17:02.45 | ringo999 | im running debia on a macbook with kernel version 2.6.26 How can I get a later version? im using lenny |
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| 17:04.40 | mofino | ringo999, kernel.org |
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| 17:07.37 | ringo999 | mmm... could someone help me to get wireless working on my macbook? I read that I should use ath9k. sofar i mostly used aptitude to install packages, but I guess this one I have to do manually? |
| 17:08.00 | jelly | !ath9k |
| 17:08.00 | dpkg | from memory, ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) wireless driver for Atheros 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Included in mainline kernel since 2.6.27. See http://madwifi.org/wiki/news/20080725/ath9k-atheros-unveils-free-linux-driver-for and http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k for more information. See also <wireless tree> (nb. only enabled for kernels >= 2.6.26 at this time). |
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| 17:09.36 | jelly | ringo999: there are instructions to get linux-image-2.6.7-* prerelease packages on #debian-kernel channel, irc.debian.org |
| 17:09.39 | ringo999 | which kernel version does lenny usally come with? |
| 17:09.49 | jelly | 2.6.26 |
| 17:09.59 | ringo999 | ok |
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| 17:13.05 | ringo999 | compat-wirless recommends to use kernel >=2.6.27. would it be a big struggle to update my 2.6.27 to fullfill that requirement? |
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| 17:17.39 | amphi | ringo999: you could just build a vanilla .27 |
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| 17:20.38 | ringo999 | i used to use macosx with itunes. now i want to be free and use debian. what is a good music player / library app alternative? |
| 17:20.47 | ech0dish | anyone know how to merge files together |
| 17:20.54 | ech0dish | i have a lot of html files i would like to make into one file |
| 17:20.55 | ringo999 | also thinking about istalling linux on ipod 5.5G |
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| 17:21.27 | ech0dish | just add content of the next file onto the bottom of the first |
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| 17:26.31 | RandomCake_ | Hi, I'm trying to create a backup of a damaged hard drive using DD, the command I've tried running is 'sudo dd if=/dev/sdb1 | gzip> /media/disk/passport/passport.gz', but I got an I/O error, how can I force dd to ignore the I/O errors? |
| 17:27.19 | ringo999 | what is a good command line based bittorrent client? |
| 17:27.30 | SlayerXP | RandomCake_: you forgot to read the dd man page |
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| 17:27.55 | Jacob_H | ech0dish: cat x >> y |
| 17:28.01 | RandomCake | SlayerXP: I didn't forget, I didn't understand it. |
| 17:28.11 | Jacob_H | adds x to y |
| 17:28.18 | SlayerXP | RandomCake: specifically, you forgot to read about the option described as "continue after read errors" |
| 17:28.51 | ech0dish | will that work for roughly 1000 files? |
| 17:29.14 | xsdg | ringo999: I really like bittornado |
| 17:29.23 | Jacob_H | ech0dish: should do, though you might need some shell scripting to sort out the order |
| 17:29.23 | jhamlin | all of the calendar programs I've tried truncate event titles when viewing in monthview. I want to see the entire event title in monthview: the title should be word-wrapped instead of just cutting it off. Is there any such calendar program in etch? |
| 17:29.29 | KRF | <RandomCake> SlayerXP: I didn't forget, I didn't understand it. |
| 17:29.31 | KRF | ha! |
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| 17:29.43 | ech0dish | order is not important |
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| 17:30.24 | Jacob_H | ech0dish: cat *.htm >> outputfile will add all files ending in htm in that directory to outputfile |
| 17:30.25 | stew | RandomCake: also see ddrescue |
| 17:30.52 | ech0dish | ok cool thanks |
| 17:31.53 | erawfish | ringo999: man dd knows |
| 17:31.59 | jhamlin | I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want their calender to cut off the event titles after only a few words... arg. every calender seems to be like that. |
| 17:32.08 | erawfish | RandomCake: ^^ |
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| 17:32.56 | solara | I'm trying to install a new kernel which was compiled to a .deb, but I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/m70a7ebc7 |
| 17:33.18 | erawfish | RandomCake: look for "error" in the manpage |
| 17:33.26 | RandomCake | 'sudo dd if=/dev/sdb1 | gzip> /media/disk/passport/passport.gz conv=noerror' says that 'conv=noerror: No such file or directory, I can't work out how to gz the image with ddrescue :S |
| 17:33.43 | ech0dish | THANKS! |
| 17:34.11 | erawfish | you didn't read the manpage |
| 17:34.26 | SlayerXP | RandomCake: you still didn't read the man page |
| 17:34.36 | gomiam | solara: it seems you are trying to overwrite data from another kernel image. You will need to remove the older image or keep that dspbootcode.bin file out of your kernel package. |
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| 17:35.05 | themill | solara: you need to either use dpkg-divert to divert the firmware file from one of the packages, remove one of the old packages that you no longer need, or fix your package so that the firmware file is only in one package |
| 17:35.05 | RandomCake | I've told you I read it and didn't understand it SlayerXP! |
| 17:35.33 | stew | RandomCake: conv=noerror should be an argument to dd |
| 17:35.40 | solara | themill: how do i remove an old package? |
| 17:36.00 | erawfish | solara: go to #ubuntu |
| 17:36.09 | solara | I'm in ubuntu |
| 17:36.09 | SlayerXP | RandomCake: if you're not able to search for the only mention of the word "error" in a man page, and understand 4 common english words, you're not qualified to be in charge of a computer |
| 17:36.17 | erawfish | you do not run debiAN |
| 17:36.24 | themill | solara: dpkg -r. |
| 17:36.26 | gomiam | solara: usually through dpkg --remove packagename or fpkg --remove --purge packagename if you want to remove the configuration data. |
| 17:36.37 | gomiam | (it was --remove, right?) |
| 17:36.38 | solara | ah cool thanks themill and gomiam |
| 17:37.17 | gomiam | I'm still trying to stabilize this freezing Debian testing/unstable AMD64 |
| 17:37.18 | gomiam | :-) |
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| 17:38.30 | gomiam | booting once more... |
| 17:39.12 | solara | ah you guys are awesome :D |
| 17:39.16 | solara | thanks |
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| 17:41.14 | medc | i installed my ati drivers as a webpage told me, but instead of that i got MESA drivers :S |
| 17:41.18 | medc | any help |
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| 17:41.28 | gomiam | if only someone could point me to the reason that makes dh3client freeze my Debian install... |
| 17:41.46 | gomiam | by now I know it0s related to some stability problem that sorts itself out in 20 seconds |
| 17:41.49 | stew | gomiam: freeze completely? or just take a long time to complete? |
| 17:42.25 | gomiam | stew: AFAIK it freeces completely. As in the disk light locks into on or off and nothing happens "ever more" |
| 17:42.29 | stew | gomiam: probably due to faulty hardware, checking memory with memtest86+ is the recommended first step |
| 17:42.33 | gomiam | (ever more being a few minutes) |
| 17:42.59 | gomiam | stew: it might be but... isn't it strange that 2.6.24 and on fail and 2.6.18 doesnt? |
| 17:43.16 | stew | hardware errors usually manifest themselves strangely |
| 17:43.24 | gomiam | stew: yup, that's true |
| 17:43.36 | gomiam | I guess I'll have to try it :-) |
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| 17:45.08 | gomiam | OTOH, since Windows XP never complained on the same computer... it looks like a very very long shot (whenever I had memory problems, Windows always failed before Linux did). |
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| 17:50.50 | sinan1 | I am having trouble with apt. I am running Linux 2.4.31, and apt-get refuses to update, it reports that it cannot grab updates. I suspect there is something wrong with the sources, what's the correct apt source for such an old version? |
| 17:53.05 | Jacob_H | sinan1: which debian version are you running? |
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| 17:53.16 | sinan1 | I am actually runing Damn Small Linux |
| 17:53.20 | gomiam | sinan1: that sounds like Debian sarge, IIRC. You will need to check your sources, substituting stable for sarge... or perhaps etch in order to upgrade :-) |
| 17:53.22 | Roland- | hello, is PAE affecticting performance? I mean if I enable pae will the system run slower ? |
| 17:53.57 | themill | sinan1: try #damnsmalllinux |
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| 17:54.40 | mid5 | Hi at all, I have a mail + clamav-milter and spamassassin, and when I restart or update clamav-milter, it take a lot of time to come up, more that 30 min, in this day I updated clamav* and the process can not come up, what happen with my clamav-milter, anyone knows about that |
| 17:54.44 | mid5 | http://pastebin.com/m51abbfc1 |
| 17:54.54 | sinan1 | themill: i am already there, it's totally dead :P I know it is not very nice to try in another channel, but i am pretty desperate. sorry! |
| 17:55.24 | stew | sinan1: try a DSL mailinglist or web forum |
| 17:55.51 | mid5 | I have Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 and kernel 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 17:56.00 | sinan1 | ok, thanks :) |
| 17:56.06 | OpenTokix | hehe, cool test |
| 17:56.12 | OpenTokix | raid mixing 7k2rpm and 10k rpm disk |
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| 17:59.13 | mid5 | after 1hr my clamav-milter is finish to up, but its a lot of time |
| 17:59.14 | mid5 | http://pastebin.com/m7157a767 |
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| 18:01.36 | gavi | if i have debian version 4.0 than what is my debian version name? etch? |
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| 18:01.50 | gomiam | yup |
| 18:02.20 | gavi | gomiam, thanks |
| 18:02.26 | gomiam | np |
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| 18:03.13 | mancubus | Hi ppl! |
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| 18:03.44 | mancubus | How can I create customized LIVECD? I used "live-magic" but it doesn't allow install custom packages =( |
| 18:04.04 | yadayada | i am having an issue, i can't do anything that requires network communication from within the terminal (stuff like ping), yet, the browser is communicating fine. |
| 18:04.35 | gomiam | yadayada: might it be that ping requires superuser privileges? |
| 18:04.43 | yadayada | i tried sudo ping |
| 18:04.49 | yadayada | the ping command runs |
| 18:05.00 | yadayada | but it doesn't deliver packets |
| 18:05.09 | px_ | is a special kernel? |
| 18:05.19 | yadayada | a special kernel ?! |
| 18:05.35 | px_ | i mean, patched with grsecurity |
| 18:05.38 | px_ | or something like it |
| 18:06.02 | yadayada | not that i am aware of :) |
| 18:06.05 | px_ | hehe |
| 18:06.11 | yadayada | umm ... it is running in a virtual machine though |
| 18:06.13 | mid5 | gavi, etch |
| 18:06.20 | yadayada | and the host is ubuntu, would that affect anything ? |
| 18:06.24 | mid5 | debian etch |
| 18:06.34 | gavi | mid5, thanks |
| 18:06.53 | gavi | also.. does anyone have some expirence with vhcs? |
| 18:07.08 | px_ | when you run ping ipv4address |
| 18:07.20 | px_ | what is the output? |
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| 18:07.29 | px_ | (running it like root) |
| 18:07.35 | px_ | *as |
| 18:08.03 | yadayada | it says : PING <hostname> (<IP>): 56 bytes |
| 18:08.06 | yadayada | then just hangs ... |
| 18:08.15 | yadayada | when i kill it, it reports sending N packets, all of which failed |
| 18:08.20 | px_ | you are owner of the "physical" os? |
| 18:08.26 | yadayada | yes |
| 18:08.29 | px_ | or you are just owner of the virtual |
| 18:08.34 | yadayada | owner of both |
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| 18:09.11 | yadayada | and, pinging on the host machine works |
| 18:09.18 | yadayada | i mean, from the host machine to the internet. |
| 18:09.25 | px_ | yep |
| 18:09.32 | px_ | hm |
| 18:09.34 | yadayada | so, any ideas? |
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| 18:09.43 | px_ | perhaps some restriction of icmp |
| 18:09.47 | px_ | for your virtual machine |
| 18:09.51 | px_ | ? |
| 18:10.00 | px_ | is ti bridged? |
| 18:10.02 | px_ | *it |
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| 18:10.26 | yadayada | i think so, i am running it using virtualbox, with the default settings |
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| 18:11.47 | px_ | virtualbox oki |
| 18:11.50 | px_ | and using nat |
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| 18:11.52 | px_ | ? |
| 18:12.07 | px_ | virtualbox 2.x or 1.5? |
| 18:12.08 | yadayada | yes |
| 18:12.22 | px_ | ok, you are using nat... |
| 18:12.28 | px_ | and what version of virtualbox? |
| 18:12.42 | yadayada | checking |
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| 18:12.46 | px_ | http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/1247 |
| 18:13.06 | yadayada | 1.5.6 OSE |
| 18:13.07 | medc | anyone with ATI Graphic Card??? |
| 18:13.11 | yadayada | checking link .. |
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| 18:13.22 | yadayada | yeah that's the version :P |
| 18:13.31 | themill | dpkg: tell medc about anyone |
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| 18:14.29 | medc | themill, sorry dude |
| 18:15.26 | medc | i have an ATI Radeon 2600, I download, installed the drivers but it appear the MESA drivers running and i still dont have 3d accel......any help i have 2 days with this issue |
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| 18:17.30 | SmithTheSecond | what is the apt source url for debian woody? |
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| 18:20.23 | themill | SmithTheSecond: woody is rather ancient. It's not on the mirrors any more and hasn't been for 22 months. Can we convince you to upgrade to sarge and then etch? |
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| 18:21.00 | abrotman | archive.debian.org .. but i wouldn't use it |
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| 18:22.36 | SmithTheSecond | themill: thanks ! :) |
| 18:22.43 | SmithTheSecond | The decision isn't up to me anyways :P |
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| 18:23.23 | themill | SmithTheSecond: try to convince others that they will have to do their own security support for woody and that will be difficult and expensive |
| 18:24.07 | SmithTheSecond | themill: yeah, i'll use that argument ;) |
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| 18:25.47 | stew | SmithTheSecond: http://www.debian.org/security/2006/ staring in june, and all of 2007 and 2008 are the security problems that you'll have to address yourself in woody |
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| 18:26.12 | abrotman | and ones we haven't even fixed yet |
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| 18:26.30 | SmithTheSecond | it seems they don't care much about security :P lol. do you guys know any 3rd party apt sources for woody? |
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| 18:26.52 | px_ | are you running openssh opened to internet? |
| 18:27.04 | SmithTheSecond | no :P |
| 18:27.13 | SmithTheSecond | i am behind a router |
| 18:27.22 | px_ | better then :p |
| 18:27.27 | medc | I have a problem with my 3d acceleration graphic card, i have a ATI 2600, i dowload, install and compile the drivers, but i get no 3d accel and the dirvers showing off is the MESA driver :\ |
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| 18:28.04 | abrotman | 2600? |
| 18:28.58 | stew | openssh in woody should be relatively secure anyway compared to, say bind or apache |
| 18:29.16 | stew | since the big openssh bug hadn't yet been introduced |
| 18:29.27 | px_ | true |
| 18:29.30 | px_ | >_< |
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| 18:30.18 | medc | abrotman, yes |
| 18:30.48 | medc | abrotman, [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series] |
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| 18:32.31 | medc | abrotman, ???? |
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| 18:33.20 | abrotman | nope .. don't use it |
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| 18:33.40 | twobitsprite | good afternoon/etc |
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| 18:35.30 | abrotman | medc: did you ask #ati ? |
| 18:35.51 | medc | abrotman, omw |
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| 18:36.57 | abrotman | fails to parse |
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| 18:37.52 | twobitsprite | oh my word? |
| 18:38.03 | twobitsprite | oh... on my way |
| 18:39.19 | medc | twobitsprite, the second one |
| 18:39.51 | medc | abrotman, #ati no one speaks :\ |
| 18:40.03 | abrotman | so wait |
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| 18:43.40 | moshii | Is there much difference between cups shipped in debian and the version that apple ship in osx? |
| 18:44.41 | medc | abrotman, some guys tell me this <adamk> medc, This channel is for discussion of the open source drivers. You really should ask on your linux distributions channel since they might provide a package with the necessary drivers. |
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| 18:47.05 | jamon | tell medc about ati |
| 18:47.21 | jamon | or is that !tell ? |
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| 18:50.09 | kkek | ok, its been a while since ive used debian... i had an old server lying around that i just booted back up, and its running debian. Whats the easiest way for me to determien which version its running? |
| 18:50.58 | jamon | cat /etc/debian_version and /etc/issue |
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| 18:51.14 | kkek | jamon, thanks |
| 18:51.29 | jamon | then check your sources.list |
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| 18:52.05 | abrotman | medc: he's lying .. the topic clearly discusses the fglrx stuff |
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| 18:55.12 | Neaai | Hi all. Something strange just happened. The gnome desktop icons disappeared from view of a sudden, all of them. The "Desktop". The Desktop folder was ok. I loged out and back in, still the same. Added another user and tried, that other user was ok. Loged-in with the original user, still the same. Until I rebooted the machine. Has this occured to anyone? |
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| 18:56.01 | Neaai | Also, from the Gnome menu "Places" nothing happened when selecting anything, starting with "home-folder". |
| 18:56.29 | scales11 | hi all looking for a lightweight video/media player for my eee. i would like all the popular codecs (mpeg, avi, mp3, mov, etc.) i use vnc on windows and could on linux but is there a better alternative that anyone recommends? |
| 18:57.48 | Neaai | scales11: vlc you mean |
| 18:58.05 | scales11 | Neaai: oh yeah my mistake...sorry :) |
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| 18:58.59 | Neaai | scales11: mplayer is another mediaplayer that can understand a lot of media formats. |
| 18:59.41 | scales11 | yeah i know it is also on xp. i have breifly tried it but found vlc more comfortable for me. |
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| 19:00.40 | Neaai | scales11: xine is another one. I think it uses the mplayer codecs but I'm not sure for this. |
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| 19:01.09 | scales11 | Neaai: k. what do you use? |
| 19:01.22 | Jacob_H | there is a gui for mplayer: gmplayer |
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| 19:03.02 | dios_mio | which is better... debian or ubuntu? |
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| 19:03.06 | Neaai | scales11: I have vlc mplayer and totem and xine, all installed. I mostly use totem as it was the default, and also vlc for I use it in windows as well. It's only a matter of being familiar with the software for me |
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| 19:03.34 | Neaai | dios_mio: whichever fits your needs best. |
| 19:03.41 | dios_mio | Neaai right |
| 19:03.51 | hyper_ch | how can I regenerate apache2 to its default state (configs)? |
| 19:03.51 | Neaai | dios_mio: I use both |
| 19:04.05 | scales11 | thanks all. good stuff |
| 19:04.12 | dios_mio | Neaai, they say that ubuntu install CD doesnt cover a lot of packages |
| 19:04.13 | scales11 | what about audio? |
| 19:04.29 | bReakMyFaLL | that's rite dios_mio |
| 19:04.37 | scales11 | somthing simple mostly mp3s |
| 19:04.38 | Neaai | dios_mio: nor does the CD1 of Debian. That's the comparison. |
| 19:04.41 | Jacob_H | I think most people use the same for audio as they do for videos |
| 19:04.45 | scales11 | ok |
| 19:04.47 | dios_mio | hmm |
| 19:04.50 | scales11 | good enough |
| 19:05.01 | Jacob_H | unless you want something like amarok to sort them |
| 19:05.02 | Neaai | scales11: I use the same players for audio too. |
| 19:06.14 | Neaai | scales11: Rhythmbox is a nice player as well that you can use as a music organiser too. |
| 19:06.33 | scales11 | Neaai: thats the one i heard of too |
| 19:06.38 | scales11 | good enough |
| 19:06.57 | Neaai | scales11: They say it resembles iTunes in a way, but I can't know. Never used itunes. :p |
| 19:07.06 | scales11 | i hate itunes :) |
| 19:07.07 | moshii | Neaai: cd1 of debian has a lot really |
| 19:07.09 | scales11 | not a mac fan |
| 19:07.34 | moshii | Neaai: probably more than ubuntu because they have that silly live environment installer thing |
| 19:07.53 | scales11 | ok good stuff. now the tough question. i have an eee901 and it has bluetooth. supposidly iit is supported, though i have never done bluetooth under linux. any suggestions where do begin? |
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| 19:08.03 | Neaai | moshii: indeed it has but I was thinking as in "compared to what's left in the repository". It was implied that ubuntu cd is different, while they are the same idea of getting work done. |
| 19:08.08 | xdr | scales11: operating system? |
| 19:08.12 | scales11 | here is the link where they talk about it |
| 19:08.12 | scales11 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/901 |
| 19:08.23 | scales11 | xdr: debian |
| 19:08.27 | dacs | anyone had luck using Myth TV with debian |
| 19:08.41 | moshii | !anyone |
| 19:08.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 19:09.07 | scales11 | dacs: i played with myth a lot of times. i eventually just resorted to something like mythbuntu or mythdora. makes setup considerably easier |
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| 19:09.16 | Neaai | moshii: after all there's only so much space in a CD to use. some chose to fill it with live-stuff, some others with packages :) |
| 19:10.04 | moshii | Neaai: debian gets most of each of the major desktops on the first cd last time I installed,.. thats pretty good I'd say |
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| 19:10.16 | xdr | scales11: my bluetooth works flawlessly here |
| 19:10.31 | dacs | scales11: will you give me some tips on which hardware to buy...card and remote |
| 19:10.44 | Neaai | moshii: yes, I preffer the debian selection more as well. |
| 19:11.16 | scales11 | xdr: i need to connect my mouse to it and while i am used to a nice little gui, i am not sure how to manage connections etc under linux |
| 19:11.18 | Jacob_H | do many people install just from one CD without access to the Internet? |
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| 19:11.43 | xdr | scales11: well ... using gnome/kde you often get a nice little gui |
| 19:11.59 | Neaai | Jacob_H: not actually with the 1st, but with only the first 4, yes. |
| 19:12.08 | jamon | Jacob_H: lots, think dedicated server with serial kvm until networking is setup :) |
| 19:12.17 | scales11 | xdr: i am using lxde and kinda like the slimmer approach ....:) |
| 19:12.31 | scales11 | dacs: i gave up on myth tv because there isnt a free place to get the tv listings anymore. |
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| 19:12.43 | xdr | scales11: well, I'm not sure I only use debian on my server |
| 19:12.52 | Jacob_H | Neaai: well, yes, that was my point :) surely most people get a larger set if they won't have access to the Internet... |
| 19:12.53 | Neaai | jamon: that's something I just came to know. |
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| 19:13.10 | jamon | Neaai: fun ;) |
| 19:13.18 | scales11 | but i can tell you the best remote is the windows media center one (has a good receiver and recognized by most livecds) |
| 19:13.30 | scales11 | dacs: but i can tell you the best remote is the windows media center one (has a good receiver and recognized by most livecds) |
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| 19:13.44 | PeterFA | How should I manage my own extra packages? Do I make my own debs or is there another way? |
| 19:13.44 | Parrot | how do i compile web |
| 19:13.49 | scales11 | dacs: also the tuner is a bit problematic for the USA users like myself |
| 19:14.02 | Parrot | HOW DO I COMPILE WEB? |
| 19:14.05 | scales11 | dacs: with the digital signal thing going on |
| 19:14.12 | Jacob_H | PeterFA: I usually install into /opt; though debs is a good way if possible |
| 19:14.17 | Neaai | Parrot: did you know CAPS = yelling ? |
| 19:14.24 | Parrot | also |
| 19:14.26 | Parrot | im a parrot |
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| 19:15.38 | twobitsprite | !tell parrot about smart questions |
| 19:16.02 | pickcoder | parrot bot |
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| 19:16.54 | zinx | Parrot: apt-get source web; aptitude build-dep web; cd web* && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 19:17.25 | edward__ | who can help me out getting a java plugin for iceweasel |
| 19:17.26 | PeterFA | Where is the installation path of Firefox on Lenny? |
| 19:17.33 | edward__ | it seems I need jre but I can't sem to find the libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 19:18.00 | twobitsprite | !tell PeterFA about iceweasel |
| 19:18.12 | pickcoder | is still fighting with mainpine hardware |
| 19:18.15 | themill | edward__: etch? lenny? i386? amd64? |
| 19:18.33 | pickcoder | my latest Lenny install is being taken over by FC9... |
| 19:18.45 | pickcoder | if this doesn't work I'm gonna be furious |
| 19:18.54 | edward__ | themill, etch 64bit |
| 19:19.26 | themill | edward__: then you've got some work ahead of you... /msg dpkg java amd64 |
| 19:19.40 | Neaai | A while ago something strange happened. The gnome desktop icons disappeared from view of a sudden, all of them. The "Desktop" folder was ok. I loged out and back in, still the same. Added another user and tried, that other user was ok. Loged-in with the original user, still the same. Until I rebooted the machine. Has this occured to anyone? |
| 19:19.56 | edward__ | is lenny more easy ? |
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| 19:20.16 | Kealle | is there an OS alternative to plesk? |
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| 19:20.32 | themill | edward__: for java on amd64, yes. |
| 19:20.45 | px_ | what do you mean Kealle? |
| 19:20.54 | PeterFA | I'm trying to install Flash 10 Beta but it won't take /usr/lib/mozilla{-firefox} as a valid path. |
| 19:20.57 | edward__ | themill, I'll upgrade.. no problem... |
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| 19:21.39 | edward__ | themill, what deb do I need for lenny ? |
| 19:22.01 | themill | edward__: /msg dpkg java amd64 |
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| 19:22.07 | Neaai | edward__: For me fresh installs have generally been smoother and easier than upgrades. Save your homedir somewhere, install, and then put the homedir back into place. |
| 19:22.11 | Kealle | px_: open source alternative to plesk :] |
| 19:22.15 | pickcoder | PeterFA: iceweasel? |
| 19:22.24 | edward__ | Neaai, thanks... |
| 19:22.35 | PeterFA | pickcoder, nevermind, I got it. /usr/lib/iceweasel |
| 19:22.46 | Neaai | edward__: homedir(s) if you have multiple users :) |
| 19:22.52 | themill | PeterFA: why not just use the debian packages for flash? |
| 19:22.56 | edward__ | Neaai, sure.. ;) |
| 19:22.56 | pickcoder | I've only had one upgrade blow up on me |
| 19:23.01 | pickcoder | that was from Woody to Etch |
| 19:23.08 | PeterFA | themill, because I want Flash 10. |
| 19:23.12 | twobitsprite | yeah, I think a lot of people had problems with that |
| 19:23.18 | themill | judd: versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 19:23.19 | judd | themill: flashplayer-mozilla: 1:9.0.124.0-0.1 (etch-multimedia) 1:10.0.12.36-0.1 (lenny-multimedia) 1:10.0.12.36-0.2 (sid-multimedia) |
| 19:23.23 | themill | PeterFA: ^^ |
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| 19:23.44 | PeterFA | themill, there's a lenny-multimedia? |
| 19:25.51 | edward__ | one more thing I would like to know... I have a few servers and would be great to create like a cache for deb. pkg so I don't have to hit the mirors every time... |
| 19:26.13 | themill | dpkg: tell PeterFA about dmm |
| 19:26.30 | twobitsprite | edward__: apt-cacher? |
| 19:26.47 | PeterFA | themill, thanks. |
| 19:26.53 | twobitsprite | edward__: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-repository-cache-with-apt-cacher |
| 19:26.57 | pickcoder | !tell edward__ about mirror |
| 19:27.14 | edward__ | great guys... |
| 19:27.16 | edward__ | thanks |
| 19:27.30 | PeterFA | When do you guys think that sid will become useful for a desktop? |
| 19:27.38 | twobitsprite | NEVER |
| 19:27.40 | twobitsprite | oops |
| 19:27.47 | twobitsprite | !sid |
| 19:27.47 | dpkg | sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 19:27.51 | pickcoder | twobitsprite: well part of the problem is the kernel jump and also the bug in the kernel meta package |
| 19:28.11 | twobitsprite | pickcoder: umm... what are you talking about? |
| 19:28.18 | pickcoder | the woody->etch problem |
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| 19:28.27 | twobitsprite | ohh :) |
| 19:28.48 | pickcoder | that's what happens when you don't keep your system current |
| 19:28.50 | pickcoder | :) |
| 19:28.59 | twobitsprite | anything longer than 5 seconds ago is out of my short term memory :) |
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| 19:29.42 | pickcoder | they also changed the kernel package name structure |
| 19:29.44 | pickcoder | after Sarge |
| 19:29.55 | twobitsprite | yeah, that still haunts me |
| 19:30.06 | themill | pickcoder: that's why you're not supposed to skip releases. |
| 19:30.22 | pickcoder | themill: it's tough to upgrade to an oldstable release |
| 19:30.32 | edward__ | wow... for icedtea-gcjwebplugin I need a nice 163mb... |
| 19:30.41 | pickcoder | especially if you can't find repos for it anymore |
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| 19:31.02 | themill | pickcoder: not imposible though. archive still exists. |
| 19:31.13 | themill | edward__: that's probably all of java as well |
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| 19:32.02 | PeterFA | Wait, I don't understand the way Debian is maintained. I thought you guys would start a new release, develop it until it's usable... call it unstable, and then develop it until it's stable and freeze it... then you start another. |
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| 19:32.05 | edward__ | themill, yep... looks like it .. openjdk |
| 19:32.39 | pickcoder | PeterFA: no |
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| 19:32.52 | themill | PeterFA: see http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 19:35.06 | Rayne|aedion | does the nvidia packages contain nvidias native linux driver or this noveou (or other) hacker ddriver? (package is called nvidia-glx: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx) |
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| 19:35.42 | Rayne|aedion | i think these are the closed source drivers, because this package is 'nonfree', but i am not sure |
| 19:37.04 | jelly | Rayne|aedion: you got it right |
| 19:37.20 | Rayne|aedion | ok, thanks :) |
| 19:37.28 | jelly | !+tell Rayne|aedion -about nvidia |
| 19:37.29 | dpkg | told Rayne|aedion about nvidia. |
| 19:37.53 | Rayne|aedion | !nvidia |
| 19:37.53 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 19:39.16 | Rayne|aedion | great - i hated nvidias way to build my kernel module |
| 19:39.28 | Rayne|aedion | and every time it destroy my x config - hehe |
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| 19:40.42 | Rayne|aedion | so, i'll have to reboot |
| 19:40.47 | Rayne|aedion | oder load modules |
| 19:40.53 | Rayne|aedion | arrrr, whateve r- i'll reboot |
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| 19:42.27 | un | could someone look over this license for me, http://paste.ubuntu.com/70650/ i dunno if the software should fall under non-free or contrib, and i really want to debianize this library... |
| 19:43.20 | twobitsprite | looks like its GPL... |
| 19:43.40 | twobitsprite | it could go in main |
| 19:43.59 | un | twobitsprite: it is gpl, but for commercial versions you must contact the author... |
| 19:44.16 | un | twobitsprite: that violates dfsg doesn't it? |
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| 19:44.26 | twobitsprite | bs |
| 19:44.31 | twobitsprite | if its gpl, its gpl |
| 19:44.53 | twobitsprite | I'm pretty sure they're violating the GPL by requiring special treatment for commercial use |
| 19:45.01 | un | twobitsprite: oh, so i can remove that line about commercial versions, and upload my debs anyway? |
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| 19:46.44 | twobitsprite | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLRequireAvailabilityToPublic |
| 19:46.48 | twobitsprite | yes |
| 19:46.50 | edward__ | ok.. any other good browser with support for java.. |
| 19:46.57 | edward__ | firefox not really working out.. :( |
| 19:47.04 | format_c | Since recently - I don't know why - my .flv Videos have no sound anymore. |
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| 19:47.17 | un | twobitsprite: thank you so much man, i thought i was gonna have to code an AIML interpreter from scratch... |
| 19:47.24 | format_c | a normal divx movie works fine |
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| 19:47.58 | twobitsprite | gpl is binding for all parties and no one can modify the terms of the gpl, not even the author |
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| 19:51.36 | twobitsprite | un: here's a better one: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NoMilitary |
| 19:51.54 | un | one more dumb question... to fix lintian's 'no copyright' E for a multi-deb package, should i use package.copyright? or someother debhelper stuff? |
| 19:52.01 | un | twobitsprite: cool, i'll read it over... |
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| 19:53.34 | minerale | I connected a hard drive via usb, how can I see which /dev devices it's listed under? |
| 19:53.40 | twobitsprite | I'd imagine that package.copyright would work, but I haven't tried it... most multi-deb package stuff can be solved with package.whatever |
| 19:53.59 | abrotman | minerale: dmesg |
| 19:54.01 | un | twobitsprite: thanks man, your the guru of the day... |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | you're |
| 19:54.42 | twobitsprite | un: heh... there are a number of guru's in this channel, but I wouldn't consider myself one of them :) |
| 19:55.16 | abrotman | un: if you have questions about the license, ask the debian-legal mailing list |
| 19:55.24 | spyhd3r | minerale fdisk -l |
| 19:55.27 | abrotman | oh .. it's GPL .. nevermind |
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| 19:56.58 | Morko | morning |
| 19:57.00 | un | twobitsprite: you spoke up and helped someone... some of those guru's can't do that... i've been blown out in this channel before... |
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| 20:00.10 | twobitsprite | un: it does happen, unfortunately |
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| 20:02.04 | un | twobitsprite: oh yeah i understand... when you've eaten drank spoke nothin but c++ and caffeine for about a week you get ill... :) dumb questions also get mean answers |
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| 20:03.08 | twobitsprite | there is that, but there are also people on IRC who have nothing better to do with their time than bait newbs into being humiliated so they can further inflate their egos |
| 20:03.25 | twobitsprite | a number of people in #bash are that way... |
| 20:03.35 | twobitsprite | #perl can be pretty hostile at times too |
| 20:03.37 | mesut | hi, how do i install gcc-3.2 (older version) on debian sarge ? i keep getting No candidate version found for gcc-3.2 |
| 20:03.51 | mesut | (aptitude search gcc returns gcc-3.2) |
| 20:04.12 | twobitsprite | have you updated recently? |
| 20:04.34 | twobitsprite | (being as this is sarge... I guess last year would be recent enough :) |
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| 20:05.05 | mesut | twobitsprite: yes |
| 20:05.17 | mesut | ive latest gcc already installed |
| 20:05.29 | twobitsprite | ohh... you want to move backwards? |
| 20:05.29 | un | ha! librebecca-1.1.3 is debianized and lintian clean! now i need me a sponsor... yeah i could imagine old unix relics hangin out in those channels flamin newbs... they need to hang out in vaguer channels... |
| 20:05.33 | mesut | but i need gcc.3.2 for some legacy compilation job |
| 20:06.12 | twobitsprite | !tell mesut -about downgrade |
| 20:07.09 | twobitsprite | unfortunately, you might have to compile gcc3.2 from source... but I'm not sure if newer versions of gcc will compile older ones |
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| 20:07.40 | twobitsprite | I'm not sure what to tell you... maybe the newer version has a backwards compatibility flag? |
| 20:07.41 | mesut | actually this is not a downgrade, AFAIK,i can keep both versions of gcc |
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| 20:07.56 | twobitsprite | well... if the older version is no longer on the mirrors... |
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| 20:08.03 | un | gcc from source isn't that bad... linuxfromscratch has a decent part about that in it... |
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| 20:08.15 | sponzor | ok when i want to apt-get upgrade |
| 20:08.27 | mesut | the days i was using gentoo,i had several gcc versions,everytime |
| 20:08.35 | sponzor | i have a problam i have not enought space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:08.37 | mesut | and a config script to switch between them |
| 20:08.59 | twobitsprite | hmm... seems like oldstable isn't searchable on packages.debian.org |
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| 20:09.14 | sponzor | anyone? |
| 20:09.15 | epoxy|w3rk | sponzor, symlink to somewhere where you have space? |
| 20:09.30 | sponzor | how to do that :P |
| 20:09.37 | epoxy|w3rk | man ln would help. |
| 20:09.57 | epoxy|w3rk | pretty much: ln -s source destination .. i'm sure you can figure it out from there :) |
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| 20:10.08 | sponzor | tnx |
| 20:10.11 | epoxy|w3rk | yup yup |
| 20:10.16 | twobitsprite | mesut: yes, I realize that having multiple versions of gcc is reasonable, I just don't think there's a debian way of getting the old version installed... |
| 20:10.35 | mesut | apt-get install gcc-2.9.5 works |
| 20:10.41 | mesut | it seems 3.2 is removed from mirrors |
| 20:10.42 | mesut | thats all |
| 20:10.50 | twobitsprite | ahh... well, there you go :) |
| 20:10.59 | twobitsprite | use the source, Luke :) |
| 20:11.25 | un | mesut: linuxfromscratch has a good chapter on how to compile it... |
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| 20:12.18 | mesut | yeah thanks. i think i should install some old redhat release that has versions i need,and not update it. |
| 20:12.31 | twobitsprite | heh |
| 20:12.35 | mesut | better choice in my case |
| 20:12.47 | twobitsprite | you might be able to alien an old rpm |
| 20:13.12 | ringo999 | hi i just installed debian on my macbook, loading the ath9k driver the wifi is supposed to work with. but now what? what was sthe prog again to used to setup a wifi connection? |
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| 20:13.28 | ringo999 | also, im using xfce, wondering what gui app to control wifi? |
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| 20:15.01 | un | ringo999: wifi-radar is pretty simple and lightweight... and wicd |
| 20:15.24 | maligor | there's also network manager that has a cute interface |
| 20:15.55 | maligor | depends on gnome libraries tho |
| 20:18.17 | un | anyone here handy with nano and know how to turn off auto-line-break... that crap is annoying, but i don't wanna go back to jed |
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| 20:19.47 | lfaraone | Hi, I'm getting a lot of errors in APT about locale issues, that it cannot set default locale etc. |
| 20:19.51 | lfaraone | Any idea how to fix? |
| 20:20.11 | jamon | un: nano -w |
| 20:20.35 | ringo999 | well i'd like to use as little "gnome" as possible |
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| 20:20.41 | un | jamon: thank you! alias right away... i've always wondered if it was possible... |
| 20:20.52 | un | ringo999: knetworkmanager is all qt... |
| 20:20.59 | sepski | anyone know if there are 64 bit counters in linux kernel ? i am only able to find 32 bit counters like /proc/net/dev |
| 20:21.02 | ringo999 | how do you invoke the networkmanager from shell? |
| 20:21.02 | Jacob_H | lfaraone: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 20:21.20 | format_c | lfaraone, did you install the locale package? |
| 20:21.20 | lfaraone | Jacob_H: yes |
| 20:21.23 | Jacob_H | ringo999: I?ve been having some success with wifi-wiz |
| 20:21.24 | lfaraone | format_c: yes |
| 20:21.41 | Jacob_H | lfaraone: ah, pass then. Sorry! |
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| 20:22.15 | jamon | ringo999: try nm-applet |
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| 20:22.30 | jamon | wicd is supposed to be decent for wifi as well |
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| 20:24.15 | Jacob_H | wicd and wifi-wiz only need GTK, IIRC, so are lighter than Network Manager and it?s ilk |
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| 20:24.28 | Jacob_H | *its |
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| 20:24.56 | jamon | well, really all they need is the wireless-tools package, just use iwconfig from a shell :p |
| 20:25.29 | twobitsprite | just use vi :P |
| 20:25.38 | twobitsprite | oops, was scrolled up... |
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| 20:26.11 | skorzen | hey guys |
| 20:26.15 | skorzen | it seems like when removing some package in debian lenny (like rhythmbox, for example) it came attached to some sort of metapackage called "gnome" or "gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 20:26.23 | skorzen | what happens now is the following: |
| 20:26.28 | skorzen | http://pastebin.com/d235598ed |
| 20:26.33 | skorzen | could someone please take a look? |
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| 20:26.39 | skorzen | the packages in that list are installed and needed |
| 20:26.43 | abrotman | don't mix aptitude and apt-get ? |
| 20:26.47 | skorzen | so i am unable to do "apt-get autoremove" even if i just want to uninstall crap left from a removed package |
| 20:26.57 | skorzen | abrotman, what? |
| 20:27.22 | skorzen | i don't even know the difference between both, but, does it matter? :-) |
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| 20:28.12 | twobitsprite | skorzen: aptitude keeps meta information about things like auto-installed packages, etc, differently than apt-get |
| 20:28.45 | twobitsprite | debian really should standardize on one or the other because its a common confusion |
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| 20:29.08 | jamon | debian should not, users should |
| 20:29.09 | Jacob_H | twobitsprite: it would probably be easier to standardise on vi/emacs :) |
| 20:29.51 | twobitsprite | jamon: true... Jacob_H: yeah, I suppose its a holy-war all in itself, huh? |
| 20:30.01 | gomiam | ok, it's official now: my freeze-just-after-DHCP problems on Debian testing/unstable AMD64 aren't memory related. Memtest86 has been running for hours without a complaint. |
| 20:30.25 | twobitsprite | gomiam: I usually let memtest run overnight at least |
| 20:30.33 | gavi | folks, if i install webmin, will it interfear with my current installation of vhcs? |
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| 20:30.51 | jamon | gavi: yuck |
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| 20:30.59 | twobitsprite | !webmin |
| 20:30.59 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 20:31.00 | n3kl | What do I need to export to share downloaded packages between machines? |
| 20:31.03 | gavi | jamon, ??? |
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| 20:31.22 | gavi | jamon, lets hear what u have to say |
| 20:31.23 | gomiam | twobitsprite: I'm using that memory day in, day out, in Linux 2.6.18 and Windows XP SP3. I've been doing so for more than a year. I'm afraid it's not a memory problem :/ |
| 20:31.24 | jamon | gavi: well vhcs screws with apache configs pretty badly for one |
| 20:31.47 | jamon | gavi: and webmin won't much know where to look but will want to control apache as well |
| 20:31.53 | twobitsprite | gomiam: I don't even know what your problem is, I was just musing about how I'm thorough with memory tests |
| 20:31.59 | jamon | then there's mail, dns, databases, etc. |
| 20:32.25 | gavi | jamon, ive installed vhcs already.... i just havent done anything with the domain management yet... can u give me a tip? |
| 20:32.28 | jamon | given the choice webmin is the lesser of the 2 evils though |
| 20:32.37 | gavi | should i do it directly from bind? |
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| 20:32.53 | jamon | much easier that way, yeah gavi |
| 20:32.53 | tim__ | evening all |
| 20:32.55 | gavi | jamon, but webmin is not as nice |
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| 20:33.13 | gavi | ok jamon thanks for the tip |
| 20:33.19 | gavi | i guess ill leave out webmin |
| 20:33.36 | tim__ | i'm sure you've probably heard this many times before, but is there a (non-hacky) way to install selected packages from lenny while keeping most of my system on etch? |
| 20:33.40 | gomiam | twobitsprite: no, I understand why you said that. The problem is I can't run the /etc/init.d/networking script during startup without it sleeping at least 20 seconds before actually starting and letting it sleep a few more seconds just after it ends ifup -a :-) |
| 20:34.04 | twobitsprite | gomiam: dhcp? |
| 20:34.09 | gomiam | the problem happens with all Linux kernel versions from 2.6.24 up |
| 20:34.27 | gomiam | (not a problem with 2.6.18, but this one doesn't give me certain options I'm interested in) |
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| 20:35.15 | twobitsprite | tim__: man apt_preferences |
| 20:35.21 | gomiam | twobitsprite: yup. When it starts up, everything goes dandy until it reaches /etc/init.d/networking. Just after saying "lo: disabled Security Extensions" the countdown to system freeze starts. |
| 20:35.25 | Jacob_H | gomiam: does dmesg say anything as it looks |
| 20:35.27 | tim__ | aah cheers twobitsprite :-) |
| 20:35.33 | Jacob_H | *locks |
| 20:35.55 | gomiam | Jacob_H: just protocol 10 or something... hold on. I'm going to boot it again :-) |
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| 20:36.17 | twobitsprite | tim__: specifically the Pin/Pin-Priority options |
| 20:36.34 | tim__ | aah fantastic, that's jsut what i was looking for |
| 20:36.46 | tim__ | there's some really nasty solutions to this being touted elsewhere :-) |
| 20:37.15 | twobitsprite | tim__: heh... more detailed info can be found in the link give by /msg dpkg mixed system |
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| 20:37.50 | tim__ | great stuff! thank you |
| 20:37.54 | twobitsprite | no prob |
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| 20:38.21 | gomiam | ok, at the time /etc/init.d/networking ends, there are two kernel lines: "NET: Registered protocol familiy 10" and "lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions" |
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| 20:39.40 | gomiam | I am currently able to get the system started by pasting a sleep 20 at the beginning of the start) section of /etc/init.d/networking _and_ a sleep 7 (it doesn't work with less, as far as I have tested) at the end of the afore mentioned start) section. |
| 20:39.49 | twobitsprite | gomiam: you could try running a package trace during that time... like "tshark > /tmp/tshark.log &; <networking stuff>; killall tshark" or something in your /etc/init.d/networking script |
| 20:40.06 | gomiam | oh |
| 20:40.10 | gomiam | I didn't know about that |
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| 20:41.42 | twobitsprite | er... s/package/packet :P |
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| 20:42.00 | gomiam | newsflash: I just found my ugly hack works _only_ when starting into single mode, anyway :-( So I still can't do the complete start on 2.6.26 (dammit!) |
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| 20:42.24 | twobitsprite | what distro are you using? |
| 20:42.37 | gomiam | Debian testing/unstable AMD64 |
| 20:42.51 | twobitsprite | what have you pulled in from unstable? |
| 20:43.08 | gomiam | I think I'm going to fall back to 2.6.18 for a bit and do an apt upgrade just in case |
| 20:43.17 | gomiam | twobitsprite: mostly... X stuff |
| 20:43.23 | gomiam | nothing that gets started so soon |
| 20:43.49 | gomiam | I will apt-cache policy ifup and dh3client just in case (oh, the 2.6.26 kernel may come from unstable too) |
| 20:44.28 | twobitsprite | well... 2.6.26-1 is in testing |
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| 20:45.05 | twobitsprite | but if you originally pulled it from unstable, might want to remove it, and re-pin it to testing |
| 20:46.34 | gomiam | it is 2.6.26-1, probably from testing. In any case, current testing version is 2.6.26-8 so I will apt upgrade and see what happens |
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| 20:48.51 | amee2k | something is changing my cpufreq governor setting back to 'ondemand' whenever i plug in my AC adapter. how can i find out what is doing this so i can disable or reconfigure it ? |
| 20:48.51 | balazsbela | I'm trying to compile kde4 kdelibs |
| 20:48.53 | balazsbela | http://pastebin.com/m2afe5463 |
| 20:48.56 | balazsbela | But I get this error |
| 20:49.08 | skorzen | twobitsprite, sorry for the late answer, and thanks a lot for the explanation |
| 20:49.21 | skorzen | but and now, what can i do? reinstall those packages and remove with aptitude? |
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| 20:52.14 | amee2k | actually, it changes it back to 'ondemand' on /every/ AC event. this is highly annoying |
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| 20:54.04 | cengo | selam millet |
| 20:54.15 | cengo | türk olan varmı? |
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| 20:55.10 | skorzen | cengo, right... but now in english |
| 20:56.26 | peleg | is there a way to create hardlinking using gnome's interface? |
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| 20:57.03 | raz0 | amee2k, It could be any number of programs doing that. An obvious candidate is acpid though. |
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| 20:57.39 | raz0 | But KDE has a service for that sort of stuff too, and I bet Gnome also has one. |
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| 23:16.30 | jelly-home | woe to him who puts unneeded drivers in initrd, for his boot is slow |
| 23:16.48 | cafuego | you know |
| 23:16.49 | enouf | ricer! :-O |
| 23:17.03 | stoned | u3 works in eeepc!? |
| 23:17.04 | stoned | wtf |
| 23:17.06 | stoned | nice |
| 23:17.14 | cafuego | the decompress time between an 1Mb initrd and 4mb initrd is not measurable here <heh> |
| 23:17.17 | jelly-home | enouf: five seconds should be enough for everyone! |
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| 23:17.30 | enouf | stoned: is showing his window weenie-isms |
| 23:17.54 | ringo999 | could someone please help me to correctly configure wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 23:18.20 | ringo999 | what i dont understand how to switch between multiple networks |
| 23:18.29 | stoned | radio shack had a sale for $14+tax on 4GB Sandisk usb flash thingies |
| 23:18.31 | stoned | I bought a few |
| 23:18.34 | stoned | :D |
| 23:18.51 | enouf | heh - wipe 'em! |
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| 23:18.53 | stoned | and they are u3 but they work on my eeepc |
| 23:19.09 | stoned | u3 functionality doesn't of course, but the key is accessible.. |
| 23:19.12 | jelly-home | ringo999: uh... /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-psk-tkip.conf ? |
| 23:19.15 | stoned | which is a nice surprise |
| 23:19.25 | stoned | usually i had to go through some pain to get it working in debian |
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| 23:19.46 | jelly-home | ringo999: oh, you want to switch! I'm not sure wpasupplicant does that without help |
| 23:20.24 | ringo999 | jelly-home: how do other users do? |
| 23:20.31 | ringo999 | they have some gui? |
| 23:20.36 | ringo999 | or wpa_cli? |
| 23:20.39 | jelly-home | I have no idea |
| 23:20.42 | zomboy | hi, could any aussies please give me functioning aussie repos for my sources.list? am getting error 302 for mirror.pacific.net.au |
| 23:21.02 | stoned | !tell zomboy -about mirrors |
| 23:21.12 | stew | zomboy: ftp.au.debian.org/debian ? |
| 23:21.13 | stoned | !tell zomboy -about apt-spy |
| 23:21.18 | zomboy | stoned: thanks |
| 23:21.21 | stoned | yw |
| 23:21.22 | jelly-home | ringo999: NetworkManager seems to be popular, and there are Gnome and KDE applets |
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| 23:21.51 | zomboy | hey that apt-spy is neat |
| 23:21.57 | stoned | indeed it is |
| 23:22.04 | jelly-home | ringo999: I have a single network only setup at present |
| 23:22.10 | stoned | however what stew said should work |
| 23:22.15 | stoned | its the main debian mirror for australia |
| 23:22.18 | zomboy | k, cheers |
| 23:22.23 | stoned | zomboy, whats not working about it? |
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| 23:22.46 | zomboy | am getting error 302 on etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:22.49 | stoned | oh |
| 23:22.51 | stoned | temp moved |
| 23:22.53 | themill | zomboy: ftp.au can be a bit of a yoyo. Including both http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian and another mirror like ftp://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian is a good idea. |
| 23:23.07 | ringo999 | jelly-home: until now I havent found a good tutorial on how to set things up |
| 23:23.10 | themill | zomboy: One of them is often down but not often both :S |
| 23:23.11 | stoned | 302 is moved isnt it? |
| 23:23.13 | stoned | forwarded |
| 23:23.15 | sylarr | I see a match from the two number of lspci -nn to the numbers in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap, but it goes to the wrong driver |
| 23:23.25 | jelly-home | ringo999: tutorials can be misleading |
| 23:23.30 | zomboy | ah, ok, wasn't aware you can run multiple sources |
| 23:23.30 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 23:23.30 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 23:24.04 | themill | zomboy: you should, of course, also have an entry for security.debian.org too. |
| 23:24.06 | jelly-home | there sure seems to be a lot of those preachy factiods! |
| 23:24.15 | stoned | yeh |
| 23:24.26 | stoned | I browse dpkg.web.search in my free time |
| 23:24.29 | stoned | sometimes |
| 23:24.38 | enouf | ringo999: i don't even do wifi, and this isn't in debian proper afaik, but check it out http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:24.54 | stoned | enouf, grampa |
| 23:25.02 | stoned | move into the 21st centurey already |
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| 23:25.12 | themill | judd versions wicd |
| 23:25.13 | judd | themill: wicd: 1.5.2-1 (sid) |
| 23:25.18 | themill | enouf: ^^ |
| 23:25.24 | zomboy | themill: yes habe security repos and they work fine |
| 23:25.25 | stoned | themill, me meant stable? |
| 23:25.25 | enouf | ok, i'm mistaken ;-) |
| 23:25.27 | enouf | cool |
| 23:25.32 | jelly-home | wishes his linux-based router supported wired+wireless bonding/failover |
| 23:25.32 | stoned | nope, he was mistaken |
| 23:25.39 | stoned | jelly-home, oooh |
| 23:25.43 | stoned | now thats a wish |
| 23:25.46 | enouf | shakes his cane at stoned ... |
| 23:25.58 | jelly-home | stoned: apple did it ootb |
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| 23:26.19 | enouf | themill: thanks |
| 23:26.27 | stoned | jelly-home, I did not knwo that |
| 23:26.34 | stoned | jelly-home, there are apple based routers? wtf? |
| 23:26.40 | stoned | scratches head |
| 23:26.46 | themill | enouf: no worries. I saw that an ITP had been closed on that recently. |
| 23:27.51 | jelly-home | stoned: of course! you wouldn't want to connect your macbook to something that's not an Airport Extreme(R)(TM) station! |
| 23:28.03 | stoned | jelly-home, I have no experience with macs |
| 23:28.17 | stoned | the last mac I used was an LC475 back in 1995 |
| 23:28.18 | jelly-home | me neither, but they make user's life easy |
| 23:28.19 | stoned | 94/95 |
| 23:28.25 | stoned | yeh |
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| 23:28.47 | enouf | bah - the airport factoid was funny .. until someone changed it :-/ |
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| 23:29.00 | stoned | heh, good ol times, playing MYST and Carmen Sandiego on my lc475 and lemmings! freakin lemmings! |
| 23:29.18 | stoned | system 7 was like shiny brand new in those days |
| 23:29.28 | stoned | sighs ahhhh boy |
| 23:29.53 | zomboy | stoned: running apt-spy, 3 times now on nz benchmarking, fails with segmentation fault, what is the G O ? |
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| 23:30.01 | stoned | no clue bro |
| 23:30.12 | zomboy | k |
| 23:30.16 | sploozer | I'm having some issues with java on my linux box when I run a javaws i constantly am I receiving this http://fpaste.org/paste/137 anyone have any ideas???? |
| 23:30.19 | stoned | zomboy, which distro? |
| 23:30.26 | zomboy | debian etch |
| 23:30.45 | stoned | shouldn't happen in stable, can you show me your command and the output in pastebin |
| 23:30.50 | stoned | !paster zomboy |
| 23:30.50 | dpkg | zomboy: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:30.55 | zomboy | yeah sure |
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| 23:32.15 | zomboy | stoned: http://paste.debian.net/21255/ |
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| 23:32.44 | enouf | sylarr: is this a 8139cp vs 8139too issue? |
| 23:33.02 | stoned | thats pretty self explanatory |
| 23:33.16 | stoned | its stopping becuase it can't find a response from a server in its chain |
| 23:33.22 | sylarr | enouf, no, its sky2 skge sk98lin |
| 23:33.34 | stoned | I don't know apt-spy too well, but perhaps there is an option to configure it to skip timed out hosts |
| 23:33.41 | enouf | sylarr: ahh .. uname -r says? |
| 23:33.42 | stoned | perhaps, read man apt-spy |
| 23:33.50 | zomboy | k, just checked sources.list, it has written a new one using ftp debian.org |
| 23:33.50 | stoned | that may have a clue |
| 23:34.00 | zomboy | stoned: k, will do |
| 23:34.01 | sylarr | 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
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| 23:34.08 | sylarr | enouf, ^ |
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| 23:34.13 | wd3 | to get sound for my dell inspiron 1150 do i recompile kernel for alsa or do i install alsa core and utils using aptitude? |
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| 23:34.38 | enouf | sylarr: i would try upgrading the kernel |
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| 23:35.01 | sylarr | enouf, Y? |
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| 23:35.27 | enouf | sylarr: fast moving changes |
| 23:35.28 | glax | Hi guys, how can I see all the folders that had been mounted with sshfs? |
| 23:35.54 | zomboy | does anyone know what the debian scene is like over in auckland, nz? |
| 23:36.19 | enouf | the sky modules are marvell (yukon) related? much has been done since .18 |
| 23:36.23 | jelly-home | glax: um... mount|grep sshfs ? |
| 23:36.25 | mu-dev | glax: mount |
| 23:36.37 | stoned | probably mount -l |
| 23:36.40 | stoned | ... |
| 23:36.53 | enouf | sylarr: plus, your -5 should be atleast -6 IINM |
| 23:37.07 | glax | thanks |
| 23:37.27 | zomboy | is getting transferred to NZ from AU => woohoo |
| 23:37.29 | enouf | sylarr: but i'd update and upgrade to atleast the .24 in etch, maybe even the .26 in etch-backports |
| 23:37.36 | sylarr | enouf, I have used Marvell driver, and everything is fine with it, except that on reboot sometimes it loads the wrong driver |
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| 23:38.12 | tmm1 | can someone explain this to me: http://pastie.org/312663 |
| 23:38.51 | enouf | sylarr: do you find your eth changing often? eth0 becomes eth1 and so on? |
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| 23:39.02 | enouf | sylarr: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 23:39.25 | enouf | sylarr: just check the contents of the file are correct, and no stale entries are there |
| 23:39.30 | sylarr | enouf, no, just with sky2 the lan doesn't work after a while |
| 23:39.35 | EgS | tmm1: cool :) |
| 23:40.08 | tmm1 | EgS: huh? |
| 23:40.11 | sylarr | if I upgrade the kernel . would I need to recompile Marvell's driver? |
| 23:40.16 | enouf | sylarr: the other way is to blacklist the unwanted module |
| 23:40.30 | tmm1 | it makes no sense, why is it using /usr/bin/sudo even though /custom/bin/sudo is first int he path |
| 23:40.48 | EgS | tmm1: yes, and I find that funny :) |
| 23:41.09 | themill | tmm1: what happens if you run "hash -r" then retry? |
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| 23:41.25 | enouf | sylarr: recompile? the marvell driver should be native to the newer kernels |
| 23:41.27 | tmm1 | themill: that fixes it |
| 23:41.28 | sylarr | enouf, that is an idea but in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap the sk98lin is not even mentioned |
| 23:41.39 | sylarr | enouf, really? |
| 23:41.39 | zomboy | is #debian on irc.debian.org the same channel as here? |
| 23:41.46 | sylarr | native? |
| 23:41.47 | themill | zomboy: no, that's oftc |
| 23:41.59 | tmm1 | themill: thanks. what's hash? there no man page |
| 23:42.00 | enouf | sylarr: which is the wanted and which is unwanted? |
| 23:42.17 | zomboy | k, just wondering what is the "official" debian channel |
| 23:42.19 | sylarr | enouf, sk98lin is what i want |
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| 23:44.09 | themill | tmm1: hash is a shell builtin ("help hash" for info). It's how the shell remembers that sudo was /usr/bin/sudo. /usr/bin/which doesn't know about this hash though and can get out of sync with your current shell when you monkey around with installing new things like that |
| 23:44.27 | tmm1 | themill: gotcha, thanks |
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| 23:45.48 | ricosecada | I just hate it when mplayer isn't working! |
| 23:45.48 | enouf | "It does not support the link failover and network management features that "portable" vendor supplied sk98lin driver does" even on .27 - http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/drivers/net/Kconfig#L2090 so i guess not then |
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| 23:46.25 | wd3 | installed etch, vlc, xmms, no sound going.... have 2.6.18 kernel, do i need to install alsa or do menuconfig and recompile kernel, or can i modprobe alsa as mods? |
| 23:46.55 | sylarr | enouf, so I'll stick with the sk98lin |
| 23:47.04 | enouf | sylarr: did you check the z25 file yet? |
| 23:47.19 | sylarr | dpkg said nothing about it |
| 23:47.19 | dpkg | sylarr: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:47.28 | enouf | !z25 |
| 23:47.28 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 23:48.47 | sylarr | ah |
| 23:48.51 | enouf | sylarr: and .. did you run update-initramfs once you had been using your working, self-compiled marvell sk98lin driver? |
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| 23:49.20 | sylarr | enouf, no, but I don't have ramfs |
| 23:49.39 | enouf | (or even dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`) |
| 23:49.48 | sylarr | no |
| 23:49.58 | enouf | why not? |
| 23:50.22 | sylarr | because I don't know that |
| 23:50.29 | enouf | now you do |
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| 23:50.58 | mylisto | hey everyone |
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| 23:51.10 | mylisto | Using the live version of ubuntu right now... |
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| 23:51.22 | mylisto | I just installed a program, gnaural, threw the packaging program |
| 23:51.41 | mylisto | its installed...but I can't find it anywhere under the applications drop down menu |
| 23:51.45 | enouf | s/threw/through |
| 23:52.03 | sylarr | enouf, I'll try it |
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| 23:53.43 | sylarr | $ modprobe sk98lin |
| 23:53.43 | sylarr | FATAL: Module sk98lin not found. |
| 23:53.57 | enouf | sylarr: if it's not a Debian kernel (along with it's initrd) you're using, it won't work |
| 23:54.31 | jelly-home | sylarr: doesn't that card use "skge" driver these days? |
| 23:54.37 | sylarr | enouf, this is from the Marvell installation instructions README |
| 23:54.45 | enouf | if it's a custom kernel - it's up to you - how would i even know which Kconfig options you have as =y or =m or not set |
| 23:55.07 | sylarr | fair enouf |
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| 23:55.35 | jelly-home | sylarr: did you run depmod -a after installing the third party module? |
| 23:55.42 | enouf | jelly-home: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/drivers/net/Kconfig#L2090 seems even .27 lacks some functionality that the vendor driver has |
| 23:55.44 | jmd | How can I mount a single file over nfs with lenny? |
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| 23:56.13 | sylarr | jelly-home no, it isn't in the README |
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| 23:56.23 | jelly-home | sylarr: well then. |
| 23:56.29 | enouf | jelly-home: and he's using a custom 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 23:56.48 | jelly-home | enouf: seen that |
| 23:57.28 | jelly-home | sylarr: you need to update the module list to enable modinfo or modprobe to find it |
| 23:57.35 | mu-dev | jmd: nfs doesn't mount files |
| 23:58.45 | tmm1 | how do i install a package and supress the interactive dialogs? |
| 23:58.58 | jelly-home | enouf: dunno, I've had much success with skge and SysKonnect 9821 v2 cards |
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| 23:59.42 | jelly-home | reasonably cheap cards that support jumbo packets and 802.1q |
| 23:59.44 | enouf | jelly-home: he says it works sometimes, but other times, the incorrect module loads at boot time .. sylarr anyway - ensure /etc/modules doesn't contain the wrong unwanted one - or add yours to it even .. and see z25 for stale entries |
