| 00:00.25 | enouf | shrugs |
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| 00:01.25 | sylarr | perhaps some update changed my settings :/ |
| 00:01.49 | sylarr | maybe I'll just redo the kernel |
| 00:02.05 | jelly-home | sylarr: package updates do NOT do unsafe setting changes without user confirmation |
| 00:02.21 | enouf | sylarr: this might be interesting http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=0ce8b98d55861d5d86ef9bd8df69282b8c5f0b70 |
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| 00:03.20 | sylarr | enouf, I have 88E8053 |
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| 00:04.59 | jelly-home | sylarr: well, just blacklist the in-tree modules and be done with it |
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| 00:05.19 | enouf | sylarr: IOW "skge" might not support those vendor specific things, but "sky2" might? |
| 00:05.38 | enouf | Marvell 88E8021/88E8022/88E8035/88E8036/88E8038/88E8050/88E8052/*88E8053*/88E8055/88E8061/88E8062, SysKonnect SK-9E21D/SK-9S21 |
| 00:05.54 | jelly-home | enouf: nah, he has a newer card, I think "skge" doesn't work with it at all (and doesn't even try to bind it) |
| 00:06.18 | jelly-home | so it's out of the picture |
| 00:06.24 | sylarr | jelly-home, I am trying to see if there is any sign of sk98lin on my system |
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| 00:06.48 | sylarr | enouf, I have sky2 and it fails after a while |
| 00:06.54 | jelly-home | sylarr: pastebin find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name 'sk98lin*' |
| 00:06.56 | enouf | well - the caveat i mentioned pertained to skge , not sky2 |
| 00:07.11 | enouf | sylarr: ok - well your kernel is old |
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| 00:07.29 | sylarr | jelly-home, no results |
| 00:07.37 | jelly-home | sylarr: it's not installed then |
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| 00:07.47 | sylarr | odd |
| 00:07.51 | enouf | check the config |
| 00:07.53 | jelly-home | sylarr: not for the kernel you're currently running |
| 00:07.57 | enouf | likely =y |
| 00:08.02 | jelly-home | sylarr: uname -r? |
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| 00:08.20 | sylarr | 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 00:08.29 | sylarr | it was here :/ |
| 00:08.40 | jelly-home | that's what she said |
| 00:08.40 | sylarr | well, I'll redo it |
| 00:09.06 | mu-dev | maybe apt-cache search $(uname -r) |
| 00:09.13 | jelly-home | mu-dev: no? |
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| 00:09.34 | enouf | sylarr: did you patch your kernel prior to compile? grep SK98 your-config |
| 00:09.43 | sylarr | yes |
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| 00:09.51 | sylarr | it was working well for months |
| 00:09.57 | jelly-home | sylarr: you can check the whole of /lib/modules to see if it's available for some other kernel |
| 00:09.59 | dethklok | I am having trouble running a assembly nasm program through cygwin on vista? I am getting "bash: permission denied". BTW the code ran perfectly on a debian terminal in my computer lab. could anyone help?? |
| 00:10.02 | sylarr | (though without reboots) |
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| 00:10.14 | enouf | either /boot/config-`uname -r` or zgrep /proc/config.gz |
| 00:10.29 | sylarr | ok |
| 00:10.36 | jelly-home | sylarr: you might even have insmod-ed it from the build dir and never installed it |
| 00:10.45 | sylarr | I got /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko |
| 00:10.49 | Morko | sry for a short question: what does the "standard system" profile of tasksel contain? |
| 00:10.58 | themill | dethklok: check the line endings of the script |
| 00:11.06 | jelly-home | sylarr: that's not 2.6.18-5-amd64! |
| 00:11.17 | enouf | lmap |
| 00:11.21 | Morko | since im installing sort of a server, would it preferable to select this or better no profile? |
| 00:11.24 | enouf | er lmao even |
| 00:11.25 | dethklok | what do you mean themill? |
| 00:11.26 | ice799 | Hi - I am using debian etch and when I install certain packages (like nis, for example) apt starts ncurses to ask me if I'd like to keep the existing config file or use the one in the package, etc. Is there someway to surpress that? I don't want to be asked, I just want to have it leave the existing config. |
| 00:11.32 | sylarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.42 | enouf | ... |
| 00:11.44 | jelly-home | another mystery solved! |
| 00:11.51 | sylarr | ok |
| 00:11.59 | enouf | try booting the correct kernel :-P |
| 00:12.08 | sylarr | yes |
| 00:12.17 | sylarr | no to grub |
| 00:12.28 | sylarr | how do I change default kernel safely? |
| 00:12.44 | themill | dethklok: specifically what command are you giving? |
| 00:12.49 | enouf | set the friggin timeout 30 at least .. lmao |
| 00:13.00 | enouf | then choose the correct one |
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| 00:13.13 | dethklok | its just a simple `hello world` using register arguments |
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| 00:13.18 | sylarr | is there a tool for setting grub? or just edit the configuration file? |
| 00:13.30 | enouf | or reorder your menu - or play with the 'default N' option |
| 00:13.46 | jelly-home | dethklok: #cygwin is over there --> |
| 00:13.47 | mu-dev | change it to "default saved" |
| 00:13.52 | sylarr | menu.lst |
| 00:13.53 | enouf | man grub - see the file's comments |
| 00:14.02 | mu-dev | then picking a kernel makes it the default |
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| 00:14.10 | enouf | <--- not that a way? :-P |
| 00:14.22 | wd | using etch,my kernel is 2.6.18,aptitude doesn't show new kernel,how can i upgrade? |
| 00:14.37 | themill | dpkg: tell wd about bpo |
| 00:14.54 | wd | oh yeah hi enouf. |
| 00:14.54 | jelly-home | dethklok: verify the permissions on the script, too |
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| 00:15.03 | jelly-home | dethklok: no executable permission = denice |
| 00:15.08 | jelly-home | denied* |
| 00:15.14 | mu-dev | you could upgrade to etch and a half |
| 00:15.19 | enouf | wd: hi - run update |
| 00:15.21 | jmd | Has anyone else found that iceweasel in lenny instantly crashes or is it just me? |
| 00:15.25 | mu-dev | which is now a point release |
| 00:15.31 | wd | themill: i did this |
| 00:15.43 | wd | enouf: ok |
| 00:15.43 | enouf | wd: ensure your have security repos |
| 00:15.43 | jelly-home | wd: aptitude should show a 2.6.24 kernel available; its package names are different |
| 00:15.44 | enouf | !security |
| 00:15.44 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 00:15.55 | wd | jelly-home: ok |
| 00:16.05 | themill | 2.6.26, even, if you have backports.org |
| 00:16.44 | enouf | goes afk - shower + eat + sleep .. zzzzz |
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| 00:17.09 | wd | enouf: The following packages will be upgraded: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 tzdata |
| 00:17.22 | wd | enouf: i did aptitude upgrade |
| 00:17.41 | wd | themill: i have backports |
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| 00:17.51 | jelly-home | wd: a mere "upgrade" won't install it, it's a different package! |
| 00:17.56 | Morko | !tasksel |
| 00:17.56 | dpkg | i guess tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. Ask me about <server tasks>. |
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| 00:18.27 | themill | wd: read the package name that aptitude was offering to upgrade a bit more carefully |
| 00:18.29 | Morko | !server tasks |
| 00:18.29 | dpkg | From the Etch <i-g> s6.3.5.2: "The various server tasks wil install software roughly as follows. DNS server: bind9; File server: samba, nfs; Mail server: exim4, spamassassin, uw-imap; Print server: cups; SQL database: postgresql; Web server: apache." |
| 00:18.31 | jelly-home | wd: apt-cache search image-2.6.24 |
| 00:18.49 | wd | Morko: k |
| 00:18.51 | themill | Morko: /msg dpkg tasksel |
| 00:18.52 | wd | jelly-home: k |
| 00:20.07 | ice799 | Hi - I am using debian etch and when I install certain packages (like nis, for example) apt starts ncurses to ask me if I'd like to keep the existing config file or use the one in the package, etc. Is there someway to surpress that? I don't want to be asked, I just want to have it leave the existing config. |
| 00:20.13 | Morko | themill: sorry, i ask him in private further |
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| 00:20.38 | wd | jelly-home: 2.6.24 etchnhalf? hmmm sounds pretty interesting |
| 00:21.05 | wd | jelly-home: maybe alsa is already configd |
| 00:21.08 | tmm1 | how do i skip the configuration step when installing a .deb ? |
| 00:21.54 | mu-dev | tmm1: you want to just unpack? |
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| 00:22.07 | jelly-home | tmm1: what are you really trying to do? |
| 00:22.21 | themill | tmm1: that's usually a sign that you're doing it all wrong... |
| 00:22.24 | tmm1 | i want to install the autofs package but not have it popup the dialog asking me about config files |
| 00:22.38 | tmm1 | so i can programatically install and setup autofs on a dozen machines |
| 00:22.54 | mu-dev | look into debconf |
| 00:23.12 | jelly-home | so tmm1 and ice799 are asking the same question? |
| 00:23.43 | mu-dev | it has choices as to which interface to use when asking the questions |
| 00:23.46 | ice799 | I just don't want apt or dpkg to overwrite my conf files AND i don't want it to ask me |
| 00:23.48 | mu-dev | look at those choices |
| 00:24.06 | ice799 | I am trying to script/automate package installation |
| 00:24.12 | ice799 | and I don't want to have to sit at every box and press enter |
| 00:24.26 | ice799 | I just want it to not overwrite my config files that I've copied there |
| 00:24.48 | mu-dev | ice799: copy them after install |
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| 00:25.45 | ice799 | mu-dev: Not good enough because autofs will try to come up |
| 00:25.53 | Morko | wasnt there a setting to let dpkg answer all questions automatically with the default? (which should be leave modified file then)? |
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| 00:26.16 | sanxiyn | Hi, is there a bet for when will lenny release? |
| 00:26.22 | [cylonagent] | what package provides the default etch wallpaper? |
| 00:26.37 | mu-dev | !lenny pool |
| 00:26.37 | dpkg | hmm... lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 00:26.43 | jelly-home | ice799: as mu-dev suggests, debconf's noninteractive frontend _might_ be useful (if the package uses ucf/debconf and not the conffile mechanism question) |
| 00:27.20 | ice799 | jelly-home: I have no idea what autofs uses. |
| 00:27.25 | wd | exit |
| 00:27.27 | ice799 | It always shows an ncurses interface to ask me |
| 00:27.29 | ice799 | every time. |
| 00:27.39 | sanxiyn | mu-dev: Thanks! |
| 00:28.11 | jelly-home | ice799: so, find out |
| 00:28.15 | sanxiyn | [cylonagent]: I believe it is desktop-base. |
| 00:28.27 | ice799 | jelly-home: OK. How does one find out? |
| 00:28.35 | [cylonagent] | sanxiyn, thanks I'll take a look at it |
| 00:28.45 | ice799 | jelly-home: I think it is a bit ridiculous that I have to figure out how the package works internally |
| 00:28.47 | jelly-home | ice799: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/autofs.{config,preinst,postinst} |
| 00:28.57 | sanxiyn | By the way, I opened a prediction market for lenny release here (I can't trade myself, since I am "insider"): |
| 00:28.58 | sanxiyn | http://home.inklingmarkets.com/markets/16156 |
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| 00:29.11 | jelly-home | ice799: it's you that wants an unusual noninteractive installation |
| 00:29.12 | sanxiyn | You can sign up, and place bet when lenny will release :) It will show great stock chart too. |
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| 00:29.44 | jelly-home | !tell sanxiyn -about lenny pool |
| 00:29.46 | intelligentfool | can anyone tell me what language the various networking components of debian are written in? OSPF, BGP, TCP, etc etc |
| 00:29.52 | sanxiyn | jelly-home: I know. |
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| 00:30.12 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: Depends, but those are mostly written in C. |
| 00:30.20 | jelly-home | sanxiyn: you're a GUI person. I can tell. |
| 00:30.28 | sanxiyn | jelly-home: Nope. |
| 00:30.34 | jelly-home | likes graphs |
| 00:30.41 | sanxiyn | jelly-home: Yes, I do like plots. |
| 00:30.58 | sanxiyn | It's usually a better way to visualize time-series data. |
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| 00:31.22 | jelly-home | assuming there is data to visualize |
| 00:31.36 | intelligentfool | sanxiyn, i've been a network engineer for a few years now, and i'd like to get more involved in the IETF working groups, so i want to start learning the language thats most common to those components.... you think either C or C++ is a good choice? |
| 00:32.00 | sanxiyn | Well, I expect Inkling markets trader to chime in. But I'd like some more "informed" trading too, hence advertisement here. |
| 00:32.41 | FernandoTavares | how can i use my linux server to input policies, that the workstations using windows xp, that are in my domain, will be submitted to them ? |
| 00:32.43 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: I have no opinion whether C/C++ is a good choice to write networking softwares in. The fact is most of them are. |
| 00:32.53 | jelly-home | sanxiyn: well, plug in those pool bets! |
| 00:33.06 | sanxiyn | jelly-home: I can't bet for others :) |
| 00:33.24 | jelly-home | meh |
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| 00:33.55 | intelligentfool | sanxiyn, sweet, thanks :) |
| 00:34.27 | jelly-home | ice799: anyway, if the installation scripts mention debconf, making debconf quiet might improve things |
| 00:34.33 | mu-dev | learn C first... if you're going to be learning c++ you'll be needing the skills that C teaches traditionally... the better you are at C, the better your c++ classes will be |
| 00:34.51 | sanxiyn | mu-dev: I disagree. |
| 00:35.00 | intelligentfool | sanxiyn, do you know of any good starting points (websites) to read up on any groups working on those protocols for debian? |
| 00:35.08 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: No. |
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| 00:35.23 | mu-dev | but you haven't learned either... how can you have an opinion yet? |
| 00:35.33 | intelligentfool | sanxiyn, any idea if they are even seperate groups or if its just handled inside of debian development? |
| 00:35.43 | sanxiyn | mu-dev: I learned C and C++. |
| 00:36.04 | themill | intelligentfool: almost all of this is done in the kernel which is written in C |
| 00:36.04 | jelly-home | ice799: if the file(s) being complained about are its conffiles (listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/autofs.conffiles), a way to quiet it is to reset them to defaults _before_ upgrading autofs |
| 00:36.09 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: I'm not sure approaching from Debian side is the best idea approaching the land of routing softwares. |
| 00:36.25 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: You may rather want to participate in http://www.quagga.net/ , for example. |
| 00:36.36 | sanxiyn | themill: BGP is done in kernel?! |
| 00:36.57 | intelligentfool | sanxiyn, yea, i guess the better question would be what's the best vector for getting involved.... i'm thinking i'd eventually like to work for cisco,juniper, etc on the software side |
| 00:37.10 | intelligentfool | juniper especially, since their OS is built on BSD |
| 00:37.31 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: Try join Quagga community. That's my best idea. |
| 00:37.32 | themill | sanxiyn: the other examples are |
| 00:37.41 | intelligentfool | what's that? (loading now) |
| 00:37.47 | sanxiyn | themill: He mentioned OSPF, BGP, TCP. TCP certainly is, others aren't. |
| 00:37.53 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: http://www.quagga.net/ |
| 00:38.19 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: "Quagga is a routing software suite, providing implementations of OSPFv2, OSPFv3, RIP v1 and v2, RIPng and BGP-4 for Unix platforms, particularly FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris and NetBSD. " |
| 00:38.32 | intelligentfool | ah, cool |
| 00:38.51 | mu-dev | sanxiyn: do you use c++ these days? |
| 00:38.52 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: It's a fork of GNU Zebra. |
| 00:38.57 | sanxiyn | mu-dev: Yes. |
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| 00:39.22 | mu-dev | so none of your c++ classes benefit from your experience with C? |
| 00:39.25 | sanxiyn | mu-dev: I contribute patches to Mono (written in C) and LLVM (written in C++). |
| 00:39.30 | themill | sanxiyn: true. I was thinking he was looking more low level though if he's interested in tcp. In any case, it's pretty OT for #debian |
| 00:40.09 | sanxiyn | themill: Right. |
| 00:40.26 | sanxiyn | mu-dev: I opine that if one's end goal is to learn C++, learning C first wouldn't be the best course. |
| 00:40.31 | intelligentfool | well, to the both of you, i'm not really sure.... i have very basic programming knowledge, so my original quesiton was just aimed at figuring out which language to get started on |
| 00:40.33 | sanxiyn | mu-dev: Since you'd need to unlearn some. |
| 00:40.49 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 00:40.52 | sanxiyn | But if one wants to learn both, I guess learning C first is a fine idea. |
| 00:41.22 | sanxiyn | intelligentfool: Don't start on languages. Learn networking first. |
| 00:41.31 | intelligentfool | i think it'd be a fun project to write my own interoperable OSPF implementation for debian or something.... not to distribute, but just to do it |
| 00:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, how about you ask us a Debian question :) |
| 00:42.14 | intelligentfool | sanxiyn, i'm working in networking now.... i'm definitely not 'expert' level but i provide tier 2 and 3 support on rotation |
| 00:42.27 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: WHY IS 2.6.27 NOT IN DEBIAN YET??!?!?!?! |
| 00:42.36 | themill | !annoy jelly-home |
| 00:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:42.41 | mu-dev | ask waldi |
| 00:42.53 | themill | dpkg: you suck |
| 00:42.53 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 00:42.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, BECAUSE!!!!!!!234 |
| 00:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate themill |
| 00:43.11 | dpkg | themill: HELP ME!!! who uses gnome plz msg me, hardnrg |
| 00:43.13 | mu-dev | btw, does 2.6.26 have dom0 support? |
| 00:43.24 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: u all suk im goin back to genpoo |
| 00:43.39 | sanxiyn | genpoo is a great coinage. |
| 00:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, haf u cable? |
| 00:44.04 | jelly-home | mu-dev: waldi said it did! :-P |
| 00:44.19 | jelly-home | asked the other day -kernel |
| 00:44.22 | jelly-home | in* |
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| 00:44.35 | mu-dev | hmm, and that's in backports? |
| 00:44.52 | jelly-home | dunno, I asked about lenny |
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| 00:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, well, you can use the ubuntu package - they patch and package stuff more thoroughly anyways... so you get the better 2.6.27 - only some slight neglegible problems remain, see here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer-utils/+bug/263036 - but that shouldn't detain you |
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| 00:51.13 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: eww. |
| 00:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, YOU ASKED!! |
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| 00:52.20 | jelly-home | emerge sausages |
| 00:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | urgh |
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| 00:54.07 | jelly-home | wouldn't be surprised if CutMeOwnThroat dealt in undead products |
| 00:54.10 | mu-dev | jelly-home: be sure to flush the cache and light a match after that... |
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| 00:54.19 | superlinux | hi guys |
| 00:54.21 | frank0 | is there any VOIP programs for linux? not skype and not teamspeak |
| 00:54.23 | frank0 | but open source |
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| 00:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ekiga? |
| 00:54.37 | superlinux | watch this if you havent |
| 00:54.39 | superlinux | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM |
| 00:54.46 | superlinux | Added: November 11, 2008 |
| 00:55.12 | jelly-home | superlinux: spam? |
| 00:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | frank0, else... "apt-cache search voip --names-only"? |
| 00:55.19 | superlinux | jelly, no |
| 00:55.25 | superlinux | it's really funny |
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| 00:55.37 | jelly-home | superlinux: bacon eggs and spam! |
| 00:55.55 | superlinux | a remake of matrix movie |
| 00:55.56 | jelly-home | doesn't click |
| 00:56.12 | jelly-home | fears goatse |
| 00:56.39 | jelly-home | superlinux: are you in any way related to the author(s)? |
| 00:56.47 | superlinux | nop |
| 00:56.54 | superlinux | but i liked the idea |
| 00:56.56 | jelly-home | clueless spam, then! |
| 00:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Give us this day our daily spam |
| 00:57.40 | superlinux | loijhgwdlhjglkjetgwl;k |
| 00:57.41 | superlinux | kjhfkjhtgeljhtre |
| 00:57.44 | superlinux | thats spam |
| 00:57.50 | superlinux | :P |
| 00:57.51 | Godsize | anyone here tried cpu_alloc_stage2 |
| 00:57.51 | Godsize | yet? |
| 00:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that's your kitty running over the keyboard |
| 00:58.09 | jelly-home | Godsize: what? |
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| 00:58.27 | superlinux | those are my kitty spoiled fingers |
| 00:58.46 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: perhaps it was a pet spider |
| 00:58.46 | Godsize | jelly-home, the second stage of the cpu_alloc patches |
| 00:58.57 | jelly-home | Godsize: for debian? |
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| 00:59.08 | Godsize | hangs himself |
| 00:59.16 | superlinux | jelly-home, thats exaggerated! |
| 00:59.26 | sanxiyn | superlinux: So Matrix on Windows involve Morpheus screaming "Ctrl-Alt-Del" and Oracle using paper clip to instruct Neo? |
| 00:59.32 | jelly-home | superlinux: your spider's exaggerated! |
| 00:59.55 | superlinux | sanxiyn, yep |
| 01:00.02 | superlinux | thats the movie clip |
| 01:00.03 | jelly-home | Godsize: ECHAN, huh. Happens to the worst of us! |
| 01:00.22 | Godsize | its a patchset for the kernel |
| 01:02.09 | superlinux | throws spidery web over jelly-home |
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| 01:02.11 | bookmark | hi |
| 01:02.19 | superlinux | fessssst~ |
| 01:02.22 | bookmark | does anyone know how to copy from or paste to elinks browser? |
| 01:02.47 | superlinux | bookmark, quit from elinks |
| 01:03.03 | superlinux | then : elinks Paste_the link |
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| 01:03.07 | ferret_ | Has anyone experienced an issue on amd64 with flashplayer-mozilla from multimedia on lenny where every time you navigate away from or close a video on youtube the browser freezes up for about 45 seconds and you get nsplugin errors about timeouts? |
| 01:03.16 | bookmark | ? |
| 01:03.18 | jelly-home | bookmark: console or terminal emulator? |
| 01:03.25 | ferret_ | Only on youtube. Tried dozens of flash games and videos on other sites without problems |
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| 01:03.36 | ferret_ | bookmark: hold shift |
| 01:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, well, guess then you also want http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19981208 and http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/datawin.html |
| 01:03.43 | jelly-home | !win ferret_ |
| 01:03.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, ferret_! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:03.49 | bookmark | nice thanks ferret |
| 01:04.13 | ferret_ | I find your question bizarre, jelly-home, the answer's the same either way. ;p |
| 01:04.19 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, i'll see them |
| 01:04.36 | jelly-home | ferret_: not if there's no gpm at all! |
| 01:04.59 | bookmark | is there a compatibility mode for open office where it will always save to .doc? |
| 01:05.38 | bookmark | nevermind i found it |
| 01:05.55 | aindilis | I'm getting all sorts of build errors like this on one machine, but not another: error: ‘strcasecmp’ was not declared in this scope |
| 01:05.57 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, thats awsome |
| 01:06.06 | ferret_ | Eurgh, that's different. If I navigate from a youtube video to another one it seems to just crash permanently |
| 01:06.20 | aindilis | any obvious culprits? |
| 01:06.20 | ferret_ | aindilis: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/porting_to.html |
| 01:06.22 | aindilis | thanks |
| 01:06.35 | ferret_ | see the table about a page down |
| 01:06.39 | aindilis | k |
| 01:08.09 | bookmark | hmmm my flash card doesn't seem to be automatically recognized like in ubuntu |
| 01:08.23 | bookmark | do i have to like mount it or something? |
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| 01:10.31 | bookmark | eh lo? |
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| 01:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, there was actually also a whole page dedicated to the microsith - but it's taken over by a spammer - archive is still there http://web.archive.org/web/20050312021025/http://www.microsith.com/ |
| 01:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | bookmark, install usbmount package |
| 01:11.42 | themill | dpkg: tell bookmark about automount |
| 01:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | bookmark, you still need to unmount it manually, though - or at least I'd say this is the mode of use I like best... |
| 01:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | pumount from the pmount package allows users to unmount some disks, so you don't have to become root for it |
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| 01:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, why am I typing this, dpkg knows |
| 01:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb mount |
| 01:13.31 | dpkg | somebody said usb mount was script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html, or apt-get install usbmount, or does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>. |
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| 01:14.00 | bookmark | ok now, does anyone know how to paste text into elinks? |
| 01:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I even forgot that it doesn't support vfat by default :) |
| 01:14.18 | bookmark | nevermind i figured it out |
| 01:14.21 | enouf | shift+insert |
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| 01:14.42 | enouf | goes back to bed |
| 01:14.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | bookmark, also, superlinux told you ... 15 minutes ago? |
| 01:15.12 | bookmark | right.... well he told me how to select it |
| 01:15.17 | bookmark | but you're right |
| 01:15.21 | bookmark | its the same keystroke |
| 01:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | takes a glass of warm water and dangles enoufs left hand into it |
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| 01:15.56 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, i think he loves in that matrix world! |
| 01:16.02 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, i think he lives in that matrix world! |
| 01:16.17 | jelly-home | we all do. |
| 01:16.21 | mu-dev | why is he |
| 01:16.25 | mu-dev | why is he |
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| 01:17.32 | bookmark | usbmount is junky |
| 01:17.42 | bookmark | how do i get nice disk mounting? |
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| 01:17.52 | bookmark | or how to i make usbmount work? |
| 01:17.57 | mu-dev | you need niceusbmount |
| 01:18.04 | superlinux | bookmark, use the standard way |
| 01:18.12 | superlinux | fstab + mount |
| 01:18.19 | superlinux | it always works |
| 01:18.56 | bookmark | /dev/usbdev |
| 01:18.56 | bookmark | usbdev1.1_ep00 usbdev1.2_ep00 usbdev2.1_ep00 usbdev2.2_ep00 |
| 01:18.57 | bookmark | usbdev1.1_ep81 usbdev1.2_ep83 usbdev2.1_ep81 usbdev2.2_ep81 |
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| 01:19.08 | bookmark | i have many usb devices |
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| 01:19.21 | themill | superlinux: as long as you want to edit fstab often, yes, it always works |
| 01:19.37 | superlinux | what devices are these?! 1st time i see them |
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| 01:19.44 | superlinux | themill, i dont |
| 01:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, seems your sentence had a big there |
| 01:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, seems your sentence had a bug there |
| 01:19.49 | enouf | none |
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| 01:20.41 | enouf | spawns an unexpected firehose |
| 01:21.07 | enouf | aims in CutMeOwnThroat 's general direction |
| 01:21.07 | themill | superlinux: if you own more than one usb drive or memory card or use more than one at a time then fstab becomes painful. Also you need to edit the file as root which isn't useful in many situations. |
| 01:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ducks |
| 01:21.31 | superlinux | themill, i always use the /dev/sd[a-z] devices |
| 01:21.53 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i hope you are twisting like Neo :-p |
| 01:22.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... if usbmount isn't good enough, perhaps he must write his own :) ... it's always been good enough for me (and actually quite convenient also) |
| 01:22.19 | themill | superlinux: so you have lines for /dev/sda[a-z] both with and without patitioning /dev/sd[a-z][1-4] is a lot of entries for your fstab. |
| 01:22.30 | superlinux | no |
| 01:22.34 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: pmount isn't hald bad either |
| 01:22.44 | superlinux | i have only 3 lines thats it |
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| 01:22.54 | themill | superlinux: right. so you're lucky. That's why people use things like hal or usbmount or pmount |
| 01:22.57 | superlinux | and i replace the disks |
| 01:23.05 | bookmark | ok i still can't do it |
| 01:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, yes, but I'm lazy - so I only use pumount on the usb sticks or usb harddisks |
| 01:23.29 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: I use eject |
| 01:23.32 | bookmark | how do i do that? |
| 01:23.42 | bookmark | oh shit you know what |
| 01:23.45 | bookmark | its not even usb |
| 01:23.45 | bookmark | haha |
| 01:23.47 | bookmark | its sd |
| 01:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, heh, does that make the port spit out the usb stick? |
| 01:24.00 | enouf | has no usb porbs - no gadgets allowed |
| 01:24.08 | superlinux | and i think a sudo to that command is help ful |
| 01:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bookmark, great, put the CD in it and type mount /cdrom... |
| 01:24.08 | jelly-home | bookmark: usually the sd reader is a usb device |
| 01:24.24 | superlinux | thats the best way |
| 01:24.26 | bookmark | but no i have a laptop |
| 01:24.27 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: no, but it spins down disks |
| 01:24.30 | bookmark | its just a slot |
| 01:24.38 | bookmark | what package is for sd card |
| 01:24.57 | bookmark | i'm a moron sometimes, but i forgive me |
| 01:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, time for new trousers..... |
| 01:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/new/fresh/ |
| 01:26.03 | enouf | wasn't wearing pants :-p |
| 01:26.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | fresh bedsheets? |
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| 01:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're running around naked in front of 810 people? flasher! |
| 01:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which makes you the right one to answer questions on flash drives... |
| 01:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | twists like Neo |
| 01:28.10 | jelly-home | bookmark: insert a sd card and pastebin "tail -50 /var/log/kern.log" ... I bet it's usb (that is, usbmount ought to work) |
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| 01:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... or it's like my sd-card slot, which is not recognized at all |
| 01:32.07 | amphi | bookmark: on mine, the card comes up as /dev/mmc-something, FWIW |
| 01:32.42 | jelly-home | /dev/mmcblk0 and its partition, the little /dev/mmcblk0p1! |
| 01:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, I actually like the way he tortures the paperclip... |
| 01:33.03 | amphi | jelly-home: right, thanks ;) |
| 01:33.06 | superlinux | me too . brother |
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| 01:33.36 | superlinux | however i could not know why he couldn't with the spoon |
| 01:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | the trick is to realize, that the paperclip is not really there :) |
| 01:33.58 | jelly-home | amphi: doing a "pmount mmcblk0p1" is more painful than a regular, completable mount |
| 01:34.02 | superlinux | he really needs supercow powers from tux |
| 01:34.24 | jelly-home | needs to label that vfat |
| 01:34.38 | superlinux | so the spoon was there? |
| 01:34.39 | bookmark | amphi, yeah ok i got it mounted now |
| 01:34.46 | bookmark | but it said i had to root to mount it |
| 01:34.47 | bookmark | why? |
| 01:34.48 | amphi | jelly-home: I don't use the things that often, pmount is ok for me |
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| 01:35.04 | amphi | but an fstab entry would do no harm |
| 01:35.35 | jelly-home | yeah, have a single sdcard now, that'd work |
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| 01:35.39 | dokma | hey guys! |
| 01:35.40 | dokma | would you consider something like this a reasonable backup for a live web host? |
| 01:35.41 | bookmark | but would it then mount automatically? |
| 01:35.42 | dokma | nice -n 19 tar cj -C / root etc usr/virtualweb var/lib/mysql | ssh user@domain.tld 'cat > /home/user/backup/archive_`date "+%F_%T"`.tar.bz2' |
| 01:35.43 | dokma | what I'm wondering is how bad it is that apache and mysql are running while the backup is being made? |
| 01:35.53 | bookmark | or at least when a user asked |
| 01:35.56 | unfo | hi all. I am running Lenny. I have lots of swap. How do I suspend to disk? |
| 01:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, how do you use eject with usb-sticks? and ... |
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| 01:36.41 | amphi | unfo: you can try 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' - do 'cat /sys/power/state' first, and make sure it contains 'disk' though |
| 01:37.07 | themill | !suspend troubleshooting |
| 01:37.07 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp. |
| 01:37.07 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: eject /mount/point or eject devicename works |
| 01:37.12 | unfo | amphi: I have saved all my work; I will try that. Thanks. |
| 01:37.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, and /var/log/kern.log - wouldn't that also show in dmest? |
| 01:37.36 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: kern.log has timestamps |
| 01:37.39 | bookmark | l8r |
| 01:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | woah |
| 01:38.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it works... obviously, the new kernel *does* have its merits |
| 01:38.37 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: "eject cdrom" does what you'd expect it to |
| 01:38.53 | emorris | hi, is there a way to stop the system beep occuring when you shutdown or press backspace too many times? I've tried putting blacklist pcspkr intro /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist or running modprobe -r pcspkr, but neither of these have any effect. Any ideas? |
| 01:39.45 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: eject on a usb-storage device tries to send it the appropriate command to stop; for rotating disks, it spins them down |
| 01:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, "eject usbstick"? :) |
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| 01:40.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: they stop rotating too |
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| 01:40.17 | jadude | heyall |
| 01:40.24 | jadude | anyone here good with postfix? |
| 01:40.30 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 01:40.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 01:40.39 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: eject #debian .... |
| 01:41.18 | superlinux | I hope u like this Lebanese online radio. http://s5.viastreaming.net/7290/listen.ram use realplayer or mplayer |
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| 01:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, actually I have a softlink /stick -> /media/usb0 which means I normally just do pumount /stick |
| 01:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | spins themill down and ejects his grinding stone. |
| 01:41.46 | jadude | i need some help with postfix smtp on ubuntu |
| 01:41.57 | jelly-home | ^Z sleep $((6 * 3600)) |
| 01:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | 6h only? |
| 01:42.30 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: it's 2:40am :-| |
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| 01:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | eject /stick/ also seems to.. er... try to work... |
| 01:43.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I installed pmount for nothing :) |
| 01:44.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: fails with symlinks, file a bug please! |
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| 01:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, no, worked... just also gave me an error... which I find confusing :) |
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| 01:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, no, worked... just also gave me an error... which I find confusing :) |
| 01:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, says eject: unable to open `/dev/sde1' - and removes the device |
| 01:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jadude, try #ubuntu |
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| 01:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | where did the "THIS IS NOT #UBUNTU!!!!!1234" in the topic go, btw? |
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| 01:51.49 | emorris | anyone? disabling pcspkr? |
| 01:52.53 | emorris | aha, snd_pcsp |
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| 01:55.45 | amikrop | Hello. I don't want to dist-upgrade every time a new version is available, but I still want to have the latest software. Can I do something? |
| 01:55.53 | amikrop | Is this called cycle-updates? |
| 01:55.56 | amikrop | Or something? |
| 01:56.34 | amikrop | * cyclic updates |
| 01:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, of course, reality is not so far away: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/21/1343227 but we should go to debian-offtopic... |
| 01:57.04 | superlinux | ok bro |
| 01:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | emorris, blacklist the kernel module |
| 01:57.10 | superlinux | thanks. |
| 01:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | emorris, you might have to do so for initramfs, though |
| 01:57.29 | superlinux | well i am busy trying to buy some one 6 AMD boxes |
| 01:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist |
| 01:57.37 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 01:57.40 | emorris | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I think I've got it. I did pcspkr but not snd_pcsp |
| 01:58.01 | amikrop | The term I was searching for is rolling updates. |
| 01:58.08 | amikrop | Can I have rolling updates in Debian? |
| 01:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, you mean, you don't want to dist-upgrade all 5 years or so? |
| 01:58.38 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 01:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, because it's too often? |
| 01:59.34 | superlinux | can some one recommend me a good mother board + CPU combination linux compatible. |
| 01:59.36 | superlinux | ? |
| 01:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, #hardware? |
| 02:00.02 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: Too often or not, can I avoid it? |
| 02:00.15 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, good idea. thanks |
| 02:00.16 | emorris | CutMeOwnThroat: what's the difference between blacklist and blacklist.local? |
| 02:00.54 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: Can I have rolling upgrades? |
| 02:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, you can run testing all the time, which *is* a rolling release... but I don't think that's a really good idea if you a) don't have a lot of experience or b) don't like bugs :) |
| 02:02.17 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: If I use testing, I never dist-upgrade? |
| 02:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably still must at some times... but there won't be more packages to upgrade than usual, I'd think |
| 02:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dist-upgrade |
| 02:03.59 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade> |
| 02:04.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you see, dist-upgrade is just a way to say "also remove or add packages if necessary", which "upgrade" won't do |
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| 02:05.15 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: upgrade does add packages |
| 02:05.25 | amikrop | I though upgrade installed the updates. |
| 02:05.31 | amikrop | the new, available updates |
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| 02:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | they are the same packages, but in a different version |
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| 02:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | new packages = packages of a different name, (not packages of just a different version) |
| 02:06.25 | superlinux | i'll be back.. thanks |
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| 02:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so some package might have a new dependency that was not hitherto present and that requires installing a new package... |
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| 02:07.26 | amikrop | I see |
| 02:07.59 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: If I use testing, I never need to upgrade my distribution to the next version/release? |
| 02:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | the point is not so much new packages, though - but the removed ones... |
| 02:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why not dist upgrade |
| 02:08.10 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude full-upgrade), when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. Ask me about <pinning> <hold> <unmarkauto>. |
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| 02:08.33 | amikrop | I mean, I never need to change repositories, and that stuff ubuntu does? |
| 02:08.36 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 02:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, afaik "updating to the next version" just means installing a new package... wossname base-something |
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| 02:09.03 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 02:09.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, if you run stable all the time, you also don't need to change repositories if you name the repository "stable" |
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| 02:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, the distributions change names (except sid), but they are also always called stable, testing and unstable |
| 02:10.20 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: Ubuntu does a thing every 6 months, to upgrade the version to the next one. That process takes much time, changes the repositories, removes many many packages, installs many many packages, and usually has bugs. |
| 02:10.25 | amikrop | Do I need to do this in Debian? |
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| 02:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, only, if you run stable, you will suddenly have a huge update with many packages and a long stretch with few updates (from security.debian.org) in between |
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| 02:11.13 | amikrop | But they will be normal, daily updates. |
| 02:11.15 | amikrop | right? |
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| 02:11.26 | amikrop | except they will be more than usual, in number |
| 02:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, well, the content of the stable repository changes with the release, obviously... but not the name |
| 02:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and about bugs... *shrug* if there were no bugs, it wouldn't be a computer, I guess |
| 02:12.47 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, I mean, if I run Debian stable, and all of my life I run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", will I always be up to date? |
| 02:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, I personally kind of find it preferable to have one large update all 3-5 years or so, than to deal with all the bugs that creep into testing all the time |
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| 02:13.45 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: If I run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" every day, for 10 years, will I be up to date? |
| 02:13.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, no - as you saw packages are "held back" if they require adding/removing packages, but you could run "apt-get update && apt-get full-upgrade" all the time in principle |
| 02:14.10 | amikrop | ok |
| 02:14.21 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: If I run "apt-get update && apt-get full-upgrade" every day, for 10 years, will I be up to date? |
| 02:14.31 | amikrop | * for 60 years |
| 02:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | still - if you do that you must watch out *every time* that full-upgrade doesn't remove packages you want to keep... |
| 02:14.45 | amikrop | ok |
| 02:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, I would think so... |
| 02:14.57 | amikrop | In Ubuntu, I won't be up to date. |
| 02:15.01 | amikrop | You know that, right? |
| 02:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, who knows if earth exists in 60 years... you won't pin me down on a definite answer there |
| 02:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, no, I don't - I never ran Ubuntu |
| 02:15.27 | amikrop | ok, my question was theoretical |
| 02:15.29 | amikrop | :P |
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| 02:15.45 | amikrop | In Ubuntu, every 6 months, a new version is released. |
| 02:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, or in 60 years Debian might have been taken over by Microsoft :-P |
| 02:16.02 | amikrop | I hope not :P |
| 02:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 02:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the other way around |
| 02:16.13 | amikrop | And you must upgrade your whole system. |
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| 02:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, well - if you install stable now, you'll see what happens when lenny becomes stable |
| 02:16.37 | amikrop | Change repositories, remove many packages, install many new ones, change many other things. |
| 02:16.44 | amikrop | And this takes about 5 hours. |
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| 02:16.59 | amikrop | You don't have to do this, ever, in Debian, right? |
| 02:17.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | which will be the case any day^H^H^H week^H^H^H^H month ^H^H^H^H^H year now |
| 02:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, when lenny becomes stable, all current stable packages will be upgraded, afaik... |
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| 02:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you will still just run "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 02:18.14 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: OK. Let's say I install stable now. When lenny becomes stable, will a "apt-get update && apt-get full-upgrade" make me OK and up-to-date? |
| 02:18.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, yes, it will be a large number of packages that change in one go |
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| 02:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, yes - but it will indeed take a long time and replace many packages |
| 02:18.39 | amikrop | ok |
| 02:18.50 | amikrop | no repository changes, though, right? |
| 02:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, and - it's actually recommended to use aptitude for upgrading, as I just heard again today :) |
| 02:19.17 | amikrop | ok |
| 02:19.36 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: No repository changes? |
| 02:19.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if you don't write stuff like "lenny" or "etch" or so in your sources.list |
| 02:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | my one has lines like this: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 02:20.13 | amikrop | Are "lenny" or "etch" written by default in sources.list? |
| 02:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's up to you what you put in your sources.list |
| 02:20.34 | amikrop | What is the default? |
| 02:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hand-made, finely crafted |
| 02:20.46 | amikrop | hand made? |
| 02:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 02:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 02:21.02 | amikrop | I once installed debian and I didn't have to manually make a sources.list |
| 02:21.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 02:21.10 | amikrop | I guess it had a default one |
| 02:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | there sure is |
| 02:21.31 | amikrop | (but I can't remember if it included "stable" or "etch") |
| 02:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it might just contain the installation CDROM or something you selected during install... |
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| 02:21.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is also apt-spy... although when I tried that, it just crashed on me :( |
| 02:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-spy |
| 02:21.52 | dpkg | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 02:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so no idea either, what that puts into it :) |
| 02:22.12 | amphi | amikrop: the installer prompts for a repo; I just did a lenny install, and sources.list had 'lenny', not 'testing' |
| 02:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, you can edit sources.list to your liking |
| 02:22.30 | adb | !background |
| 02:22.30 | dpkg | i guess background is shell job control lets you start processes backgrounded. "command &". To run a command and exit a session: "command & exit;" |
| 02:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, er, that was slightly unrelated :) |
| 02:23.03 | amikrop | amphi: You manually typed "lenny" instead of "testing"? |
| 02:23.11 | amphi | amikrop: nope |
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| 02:23.24 | amphi | the generated sources.list |
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| 02:24.16 | amikrop | amphi: So, when sid becomes testing, will you have to manually change your sources.list, to keep using testing (which will be sid, then)? |
| 02:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't know, he hasn't touched a Debian install CD to actually install Debian for... 8 years or so? |
| 02:24.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, sid will never be testing |
| 02:25.13 | amikrop | OK. Let's say I install etch. When lenny becomes stable, will I have to manually edit my sources.list? |
| 02:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, isn't that answered now? |
| 02:25.50 | adb | wtf |
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| 02:26.17 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: Not quite :-/ |
| 02:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you made your sources.list to contain the repository "etch" or "lenny", then yes, if you make it to contain "stable" or "testing" then no |
| 02:26.24 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: so? |
| 02:26.39 | bob3 | anyone know which arch ixp is? |
| 02:27.07 | bob3 | i am pretty sure it is one of the arms... not sure which |
| 02:27.44 | enouf | i'm a leg man myself |
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| 02:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you're asleep |
| 02:28.17 | amphi | amikrop: on mu machine, I have 'testing', so I'll continue to track testing when lenny is released |
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| 02:28.20 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: When I will install etch, will I be prompted for a repo? If yes, and if I choose stable, will my sources.list contain the word "etch"? If yes, I will have to manually change it when lenny becomes stable? |
| 02:28.28 | enouf | yes, t'is amazing, ain't it? |
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| 02:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, are you telling me you cannot edit sources.list ONCE after you finished installing and check, because that would be "too much work"? |
| 02:29.01 | amikrop | amphi: The default sources.list contain "names", or "situations"? |
| 02:29.10 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, sorry |
| 02:29.13 | amikrop | :( |
| 02:29.24 | enouf | hands amphi a small cow to go along with that mu :-) |
| 02:29.38 | amikrop | amphi: ? |
| 02:29.46 | amphi | the last lenny install I did, a couple of days ago, had 'lenny' in the sources.list, as I said |
| 02:29.54 | amikrop | ok |
| 02:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, even if you have to do it for 100 computers, you can make one sources.list and copy it to the 99 other computers (although then, you probably want to have a kind of proxy-repro in between to save bandwidth) |
| 02:30.02 | amphi | mmm, tasty |
| 02:30.12 | enouf | heh |
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| 02:30.36 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: OK. Thanks and sorry. Another question now. In Debian can I get Firefox, or only Iceweasel? |
| 02:31.01 | enouf | ooo proper capitalization? we must respond ;-) |
| 02:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why iceweasel |
| 02:31.12 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 02:31.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | (firefox - logo - name) == (iceweasel - logo - name) |
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| 02:32.22 | bob3 | how do i tell which endian my system is? |
| 02:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually - I can call iceweasel typing "firefox" also... |
| 02:32.33 | enouf | heh, aol prolly got pissed off at all our aol-ish factoids :-P |
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| 02:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | bob3, hmmm... uname -a? |
| 02:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, sorry |
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| 02:33.57 | bob3 | CutMeOwnThroat: no uname on this system |
| 02:34.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 02:34.02 | bob3 | i can cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean .. find out what system is, then google it? |
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| 02:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | or make a short test program... hm |
| 02:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I'm not sure how that program would look like |
| 02:34.51 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: In Gentoo, there is a USE flag that enables the normal branding for Firefox and its logo. Can't I use something similar in Debian? |
| 02:34.58 | bob3 | its an actiontec router for fios... runs an ixp |
| 02:35.18 | bob3 | i want to try to get some debian packaged installed on it |
| 02:35.27 | bob3 | i know it is one of the arms |
| 02:35.40 | bob3 | not sure if it is le or be |
| 02:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, wouldn't think so - they are binary packages, if you want firefox, you have to make your own packages |
| 02:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | WHY do you want firefox? |
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| 02:36.03 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: It just seems familiar and more pretty :P |
| 02:36.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | amikrop, well, then deal with it, if your heart hangs on it :) |
| 02:36.35 | amikrop | :P |
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| 02:37.09 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: If Debian has these issues with such software, then why does it distribute nVidia's closed source drivers? |
| 02:37.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouln't mind if the logo showed margaret thatcher, if firefox would use half the amount of memory while still doing the same... |
| 02:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps I would mind a bit :) |
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| 02:38.12 | amikrop | lol |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: there are "smaller" gecko based browsers, but the main issue is still gecko |
| 02:38.18 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: so? |
| 02:38.32 | amikrop | CutMeOwnThroat: If Debian has these issues with such software, then why does it distribute nVidia's closed source drivers? |
| 02:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I know... but it's not the same... my fancy add-ons probably dont work etc... |
| 02:39.33 | abrotman | then quitcherbitching :) |
| 02:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yessir |
| 02:39.49 | asg | and that's cutting his own throat |
| 02:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I quit bitching and you can answer amikrops questions ... and that's cuttin' me own throat! |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | which issues is he referring to ? |
| 02:40.40 | asg | non-free |
| 02:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I knew... |
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| 02:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he's trying to test me :) |
| 02:41.17 | asg | or rather, why isn't firefox in non-free as opposed to iceferret in main |
| 02:41.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you |
| 02:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | searches around for the candid camera |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | asg: because mozilla wouldn't let them redistribute |
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| 02:42.03 | asg | abrotman: then he has his answer |
| 02:42.45 | amikrop | :P |
| 02:43.15 | amikrop | I mean, nVidia's closed source drivers are "more free" than Firefox? |
| 02:43.39 | amikrop | And if not, why Debian can distribute them, while it can't do so with Firefox? |
| 02:43.42 | abrotman | !why icewesael |
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| 02:43.46 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 02:43.46 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 02:43.47 | asg | amikrop: no but they can be distributed. |
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| 02:43.56 | amikrop | asg: Why? |
| 02:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I already did that... didn't stop him, obviously :) |
| 02:44.08 | amikrop | Are they DFSG-free? |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | then he didn't read ? |
| 02:44.14 | amikrop | I did |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | that's why they are in non-free |
| 02:44.25 | asg | amikrop: because nVidia says we can sling their crap around and mozilla doesn't. Thist isn't difficult. |
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| 02:44.35 | abrotman | spelling "this" is :) |
| 02:44.44 | mu-dev | amikrop you're thinking about this like it's a sliding scale |
| 02:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind speling |
| 02:44.57 | amikrop | asg: Excuse me, but what does "sling around" mean? |
| 02:45.00 | mu-dev | it's not, it's how the events happened |
| 02:45.01 | asg | abrotman: an Olde English spelling me lad |
| 02:45.13 | asg | amikrop: throw crap, distribute |
| 02:45.20 | amikrop | ok |
| 02:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | throw the wobbler? |
| 02:45.42 | amikrop | So, I think I am going to install Debian stable. :-) |
| 02:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or that must have been something else :) |
| 02:45.51 | abrotman | amikrop: we can redistribute nvidia drivers because nvidia allows people to, Mozilla does not allow debian to redistribute FF in a fashion that works with debian |
| 02:46.03 | amikrop | I hope it is lighter, safer and much more stable than Ubuntu. :) |
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| 02:46.33 | amikrop | with "lighter" I mean, smaller/faster |
| 02:46.41 | amikrop | and with "safer" I mean more secure |
| 02:46.58 | amikrop | I think "much more stable" is perfectly clear :P |
| 02:47.21 | amikrop | Well, could one say these 3 things are true? :P |
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| 02:47.44 | asg | abrotman: you want to attend a PCI conference tomorrow for me so I can stay home and drink beer? |
| 02:47.56 | amikrop | (that Debian stable is lighter, safer and much more stable than Ubuntu) |
| 02:47.57 | mu-dev | amikrop: the stability is because things do not change |
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| 02:48.07 | abrotman | asg: in .. your neck of the woods? |
| 02:48.09 | amikrop | mu-dev: What do you mean they don't change? |
| 02:48.13 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, also http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | asg: only if you come to my area and run cable through two conduits and two floors and a few walls |
| 02:48.41 | amikrop | mu-dev: The packages do change, through updates. |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | !lose me |
| 02:48.48 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 02:48.50 | asg | abrotman: better if I send someone ;) |
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| 02:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, careful - he might do that *and* drink beer - and you have to get rid of the body... |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | asg: what could go wrong with a few hundred feet of beer, some twine, firewall caulk, a drill and some beer |
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| 02:49.29 | mu-dev | it doesn't get added software, and mostly versions don't change (etch n a half being a major exception to that) |
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| 02:49.45 | asg | abrotman: few hundred feet of beer? nothing could go wrong |
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| 02:49.55 | abrotman | asg: long beer bong :) |
| 02:50.13 | asg | abrotman: heard of a yard but I haven't heard of a furlong |
| 02:50.45 | amikrop | mu-dev: You mean, old software versions are used? |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 02:51.21 | mu-dev | yes, which are current at the time of prerelease freeze |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | packages.debian.org might give him a better idea of package versions |
| 02:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if abrotman was one of the guys who normally looked at #debian-offtopic at beers^H^H^H^H^H times like these... but of course he cannot remember |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | looked at? |
| 02:52.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | in direction of? |
| 02:52.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I didn't say a thing |
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| 02:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | not me |
| 02:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | just walking around, peacefully selling sausages |
| 02:53.29 | mu-dev | in soviet russia, things say YOU! |
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| 02:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | i-o-u? |
| 02:54.36 | amikrop | mu-dev: ok |
| 02:54.47 | amikrop | Thank you very much, guys. :-) |
| 02:55.07 | mu-dev | that's part of how stable gets stable |
| 02:55.54 | mu-dev | the normal update case is where maintainers fix very important bugs in the same version of something |
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| 02:56.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | If I may cite TP at this point... "what do you mean, 'he's stable'? DEAD is stable..." |
| 02:56.23 | amikrop | For example, Firefox (Iceweasel) is still 2.0.0.17? |
| 02:56.37 | mu-dev | probably |
| 02:56.41 | amikrop | quite old, but if it has to be, for stability, then ok |
| 02:56.57 | mu-dev | the thing is you have lots of choices |
| 02:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can use backports for single packages you want newer |
| 02:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !backports |
| 02:57.10 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 02:57.13 | mu-dev | you can install stable and keep it only stable |
| 02:57.38 | mu-dev | as cutme says, you can have backports |
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| 02:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't need a new version of "ls" every other week, though |
| 02:58.32 | mu-dev | you can build stuff, you can create packages of stuff in testing/unstable and install them on your stable... and you can also build unpackaged things |
| 02:59.20 | Godsize | has anyone here looked at the whole cpu alloc stage 2 patchset? |
| 02:59.38 | teratoma_ | why do i get this error when running mkinitrd? |
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| 02:59.53 | teratoma_ | http://pastebin.com/m60236ee4 |
| 02:59.56 | mu-dev | this last choice is in common to all linux dists... I'll add however that debian's compilers are probably the best and most stable of all dists |
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| 03:01.16 | mu-dev | and that's partly because since debian's packaging system enforces plain and versioned dependencies, it |
| 03:01.44 | Godsize | i guess thats a big no |
| 03:01.45 | Godsize | lol |
| 03:01.46 | mu-dev | is difficult to install compiler parts that don't fit with each other |
| 03:01.47 | amikrop | ok, thanks, again, guys |
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| 03:04.52 | jmd | After upgrading to lenny, I can't mount any files. I just get an error saying that the mount point is not a directory. How do I fix the problem? |
| 03:05.13 | abrotman | make a mount point directory? |
| 03:05.28 | mu-dev | jmd: for each mount point... |
| 03:05.35 | mu-dev | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.42 | mu-dev | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.34 | jmd | mu-dev: But it isn't a directory. It's a file. |
| 03:06.36 | mu-dev | jmd: having said that... there's no detail to comment on yet |
| 03:07.00 | amphi | jmd: linux can't use a file as a mount point |
| 03:07.15 | jmd | It used to be able to. In etch. |
| 03:07.29 | amphi | jmd: it has never been able to |
| 03:07.29 | mu-dev | jmd: not as a mount point |
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| 03:07.44 | amphi | jmd: the hurd can |
| 03:07.46 | jmd | I can assure you it did. |
| 03:07.50 | mu-dev | so we're throwing terms that are not properly understood |
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| 03:08.09 | jmd | I was doing it for over 18 months. |
| 03:08.13 | mu-dev | jmd: exactly want are you doing |
| 03:08.22 | mu-dev | over this 18 mos |
| 03:08.31 | mu-dev | what |
| 03:08.34 | amphi | jmd: you can have a filesystem _in_ a file, but it needs to be loopback mounted on a directory |
| 03:09.07 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.27 | jelly-home | jmd: one can only mount --bind a file on a file-as-a-mount-point; filesystems must be mounted on directories |
| 03:09.41 | mu-dev | ok, first you might want to put the -t at the start |
| 03:09.53 | mu-dev | second, what is /var/mail/jmd |
| 03:10.15 | jmd | pc-188:/home/res/jmd# ls -l /var/mail/jmd |
| 03:10.15 | jmd | -rw-r--r-- 1 root mail 0 2008-11-12 11:58 /var/mail/jmd |
| 03:10.30 | jelly-home | jmd: showmount -e server? |
| 03:10.47 | mu-dev | so that's a file |
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| 03:11.10 | jmd | mu-dev: yes |
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| 03:11.30 | mu-dev | also, a remote file can't be an nfs share |
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| 03:12.03 | mu-dev | you'd have to do it as mount -t nfs some.com:/var/mail /var/mail |
| 03:12.55 | jmd | mu-dev: Obviously the sysadmin won't let me mount the whole of /var/mail. That would be a huge security hole. |
| 03:13.08 | jagg1 | it kind of scares me that gqview found a bunch of duplicates, which I moved to another location (8gb), and I ran it again on the original location and it found more duplicates... |
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| 03:13.43 | jmd | If I try that I get "permission denied" (understandably). |
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| 03:14.07 | mu-dev | so the sysadmin has an nfsd that has been altered? |
| 03:14.16 | jelly-home | mu-dev: think "netapp" |
| 03:14.50 | jmd | He assures me it's a bog standard RedHat distro |
| 03:14.54 | mu-dev | the bottom line is, we see what you want... |
| 03:15.05 | jelly-home | jmd: where's the showmount -e? |
| 03:15.12 | iceD[R] | Good night, but I am Brazilian and I need help trying to talk to you okay? |
| 03:15.15 | mu-dev | what's he using as the nfsd |
| 03:15.25 | iceD[R] | Somebody shows me a guide to installing firefox to etch? |
| 03:15.38 | stew | iceD[R]: "aptitude install iceweasel" |
| 03:15.46 | mu-dev | iceD[R] want to talk english? portugese? |
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| 03:16.06 | jmd | jelly-home: It's rather large |
| 03:16.11 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 03:16.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 03:16.13 | jagg1 | maybe nfs lets you mount file on file like jelly mentioned with --bind? |
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| 03:16.35 | jelly-home | jagg1: bind is for local namespace |
| 03:17.03 | mu-dev | maybe he can mount it somewhere else and symlink or bind |
| 03:17.15 | jagg1 | iceD, they unfortunately had to come up with this dumb "iceweasel" name (no offense to anyone) |
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| 03:17.27 | bookmark | hi! |
| 03:17.36 | jagg1 | hi |
| 03:17.41 | iceD[R] | mu-dev: Do you speak Portuguese? |
| 03:17.45 | bookmark | does anyone know is there something special that i need to do to make the spell checker work in open office? |
| 03:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mu-dev, it? |
| 03:18.08 | mu-dev | no... but I want to hear what you prefer now |
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| 03:18.45 | iceD[R] | Eu uso slackware, mas estou querendo usar debian, so não uso por causa do firefox 3 que não consegui rodar. |
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| 03:18.56 | iceD[R] | Sorry. |
| 03:18.57 | iceD[R] | I use Slackware, but I'm trying to use debian, so do not use because of firefox 3 that I could not run. |
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| 03:19.35 | jagg1 | I believe that's: "but I do not use it because" |
| 03:19.41 | mu-dev | iceD[R] (1) netscape owner denied debian permission to distribute |
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| 03:20.11 | mu-dev | (2) if you prefer portugese, look at this: |
| 03:20.17 | mu-dev | !br |
| 03:20.17 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:20.21 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: Firefox is called IceWeasel in Debian. |
| 03:20.43 | abrotman | iceD[R]: why would you ask here ? |
| 03:20.44 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: Basically same program with different logo |
| 03:20.47 | abrotman | oh nevemrind |
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| 03:20.59 | jmd | jelly-home: /mnt/raid/spool/mail/jmd pc-188.csse |
| 03:21.04 | jagg1 | iced, debian no puede usar el nombre "firefox". por es razon debian esta usando el nombre "iceweasel" |
| 03:21.35 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: If you want firefox (iceweasel) 3.x and if you are running linux on a personal machine I would suggest just installing lenny instead of etvh |
| 03:21.38 | bookmark | si |
| 03:21.42 | phorce1 | s/etvh/etch/ |
| 03:21.49 | iceD[R] | I downloaded the Firefox 3, but it's a mistake to gtk, installed the 2.10 and I can not open the browser |
| 03:22.09 | jagg1 | afk |
| 03:22.09 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: Debian lenny version has iceweasel 3.03 |
| 03:22.19 | abrotman | iceD[R]: it won't run in etch .. use iceweasel .. already in debian |
| 03:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | we're running in cycles... multilingual, though :) |
| 03:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or is it cricles? |
| 03:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | icicles? |
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| 03:24.01 | iceD[R] | I'm useEu uso o slackware aqui. Se eu conseguir uma luz para o firefox 3 no etch eu deixo o slackware pelo debian. |
| 03:24.14 | iceD[R] | Sorry! |
| 03:24.15 | iceD[R] | I use Slackware here. If I get a light to etch the firefox 3 in I let the Slackware by debian. |
| 03:24.29 | abrotman | iceD[R]: it won't run in etch .. use iceweasel .. already in debian |
| 03:25.01 | iceD[R] | Version 2.0? |
| 03:25.06 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: in Debian firefox is called "iceweasel". It is the same browser as FireFox. Install iceweasel |
| 03:25.12 | abrotman | iceD[R]: yes, use it |
| 03:25.14 | phorce1 | apt-get install iceweasel |
| 03:25.44 | abrotman | aptitude please! |
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| 03:25.55 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: in etch it is version 2.x. If you upgrade to lenny it is version 3.03 |
| 03:26.04 | iceD[R] | 2.0, but I want to 3.0 |
| 03:26.33 | phorce1 | abrotman: sorry, I didn't get into the habit of using aptitude until lenny |
| 03:26.56 | iceD[R] | If I install the lenny icewessel comes with the 3.0? He is stable? |
| 03:27.03 | phorce1 | when discussing lenny I say 'aptitude xxx' when discussing pre-lenny I say 'apt-get xxx' |
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| 03:27.48 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: lenny is the "testing" version of Debian but it is now stopped development and will be the stable version in a few months from now |
| 03:28.36 | mu-dev | maints are still asking for upload exceptions... it's not quite stopped |
| 03:28.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get aptitude please? |
| 03:28.41 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: I have been running lenny for about a year now with no crashes. |
| 03:28.49 | iceD[R] | All: Is there a way to install gnome 2.24 in etch? |
| 03:28.57 | phorce1 | mu-dev: stopped enough for home use |
| 03:29.00 | mu-dev | apt get atude |
| 03:29.01 | apt | ACTION fetches atude |
| 03:29.05 | abrotman | iceD[R]: not likely |
| 03:29.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, you mean... your computer didn't fall from the desk? |
| 03:30.06 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: that would be difficult since it's sitting on another computer on the floor |
| 03:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that was what happened in my last big crash - left a dent in the floor - luckily I could hush it up when returning the appartment) |
| 03:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( and they say Linux wouldn't crash ) |
| 03:31.27 | iceD[R] | I like the style debian, but I think complicated! |
| 03:31.28 | iceD[R] | I have problems with firefox, jdk java / jre and NetBeans |
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| 03:31.49 | abrotman | iceD[R]: maybe you should try ubuntu ? |
| 03:32.18 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: It rearely crashes but I have a coupel of servers that have just kind of ... stopped ... a coupel of time when I misconfigured memory or something else. |
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| 03:33.46 | phorce1 | I actually misspelled couple TWICE. I need to get food and quit staring at the server-to-server mail transfer I started at 21.5 hours ago that's still not done |
| 03:34.03 | jeffspeff | anybody here familiar with an IBM AS/400 by chance? |
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| 03:35.04 | iceD[R] | Already installed and used ubuntu 8.04 on another computer. But debian is pure. I would use it. |
| 03:35.08 | abrotman | jeffspeff: like debian ? |
| 03:35.14 | abrotman | iceD[R]: but it doesn't seem to fit your needs |
| 03:35.20 | abrotman | jeffspeff: erm .. in relation to debian ? |
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| 03:35.41 | jeffspeff | abrotman, i'm wanting to put debian on it |
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| 03:36.35 | iceD[R] | abrotman: My needs are, openoffice 3, firefox 3, java jdk6, java jre 6 and NetBeans 6.1. |
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| 03:36.54 | abrotman | iceD[R]: no version of debian currently has OO3 |
| 03:37.14 | iceD[R] | I want to make this work in etch until we know what lenny. |
| 03:37.31 | abrotman | it's not going to work with etch |
| 03:37.32 | gigo | I want to play with OpenSSL, Firefox, etc. source code. but I don't want to harm the existing ssl-dev, iceweasel, installations. how can I do it? |
| 03:37.56 | gigo | make install would override the existing installations. i want to prevent that from happening. |
| 03:38.13 | abrotman | chroot, vm, etc |
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| 03:38.34 | iceD[R] | No need to be installed, do I install and compile the binary if appropriate. |
| 03:38.48 | bullgard4 | What does 'HUP' mean in 'man pppstatus': "SIGNALS: In daemon mode HUP causes the config file to be read." |
| 03:39.01 | abrotman | HUP is usually a hangup |
| 03:39.25 | abrotman | iceD[R]: debian does not have OO3 at all .. and i doubt it will run on etch |
| 03:39.27 | amphi | bullgard4: SIGHUP - you can send it with kill |
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| 03:40.11 | iceD[R] | Here in my Slackware jdk and jre are in / usr / lib / java / debian on the error in jdk when installed in this directory. |
| 03:40.19 | abrotman | gives up |
| 03:41.06 | iceD[R] | abrotman: What would be the 003? |
| 03:41.35 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: OpenOffice 3 |
| 03:41.45 | phorce1 | OO, not 00 |
| 03:42.38 | iceD[R] | In ubuntu I know you have jdk package, jre and NetBeans, ubuntu is based on debian right? So that there is a way for them to the etch |
| 03:42.53 | bullgard4 | amphi: What other methods are there available other than kill or pkill to apply the HUP signal to the 'pppoe' process? |
| 03:43.05 | stew | iceD[R]: install sun-java6-jdk from backports.org's non-free repository: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 03:43.05 | iceD[R] | abrotman: OpenOffice 3 I could run well. |
| 03:43.08 | phorce1 | iceD[R]: and, as stated before, *NONE* of what you want will work in etch without a LOT of custom work on your part. Only SOME of it will work in lenny. |
| 03:43.29 | amphi | bullgard4: what's wrong with those? |
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| 03:43.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, or normally ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/something does the trick |
| 03:43.51 | stew | iceD[R]: openoffice.org 3 has not been made available for ech, you'd have to do without it or compile it yourself. |
| 03:43.55 | amphi | bullgard4: kill <signal> <pid> is the normal way of doing it |
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| 03:43.59 | gigo | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 03:44.21 | bullgard4 | amphi: amphi Thank you for answering. |
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| 03:45.05 | iamwoody | hey guys, i removed the dir /var/lib/mysql , now i want to reinstall,how can i get the /var/lib/mysql ? |
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| 03:45.38 | stew | iamwoody: try reinstalling mysql-common-5.0 and mysql-server-5.0 |
| 03:45.47 | iamwoody | when i use apt-get install mysql-server ,it is ok but no /var/lib/mysql |
| 03:46.08 | stew | iamwoody: try aptitude reinstall mysql-common-5.0 mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 03:47.18 | iceD[R] | stew: I'm already using OO3 in etch |
| 03:47.41 | iamwoody | stew: thanks , it works |
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| 03:47.57 | n3kl | Is there a standard way to disable ipv6 in debian? |
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| 03:48.28 | iceD[R] | stew, phorcel and abrotman, thanks! |
| 03:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confmiss |
| 03:48.53 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 03:48.54 | iceD[R] | I go try again here. |
| 03:49.10 | stew | iceD[R]: try what? |
| 03:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | iamwoody, not sure if /var/lib/mysql is in that category... but probably... ^^ |
| 03:49.31 | stew | its not |
| 03:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 03:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought so |
| 03:49.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, it can't harm :) |
| 03:50.15 | iceD[R] | stew: try install firefox 3. |
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| 03:50.46 | iceD[R] | orkut show error in the screen. |
| 03:51.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, although - dpkg --purge -r mysql\* ; apt-get install mysql should make you start completely from scratch... and I always thought confmiss is kind of an equivalent for that? |
| 03:52.56 | stew | iceD[R]: how are you trying to install it? |
| 03:53.28 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: that would be the equivalent of confnew, which throws away any config you might have (and mysql isn't the packagename) |
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| 03:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't have a factoid so... so it cannot exist ;) |
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| 03:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | -server, -client, -common |
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| 03:56.59 | iceD[R] | stew: I downloaded and installed the firefox3 gtk 2.10 |
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| 04:04.46 | mu-dev | so I have an lvm xfs partition.... I want to cut 500mb of unused space out and use it elsewhere... would I do the resizing of the partition and resizing of the filesystem in one command? |
| 04:05.10 | abrotman | i don't think you can shrink xfs |
| 04:05.25 | mu-dev | hmm that's not good |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | it's only 500MB |
| 04:05.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands mu-dev his knife |
| 04:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( CutMeOwnFs ) |
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| 04:09.45 | Cobi | How does apt decide which deb to install if the deb exists from different repositories? |
| 04:10.51 | stew | Cobi: whichever version has the highest priority as shown in "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 04:11.11 | stew | Cobi: or do you mean if multiple repositories have the same package in the same version? |
| 04:11.38 | Cobi | stew: Same package same version. |
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| 04:12.00 | stew | Cobi: then it just uses the first repository listed in sources.list |
| 04:12.16 | Cobi | I.e., compiled with different versions. |
| 04:12.37 | Cobi | How would I make it pick one over the other if I were custom compiling one version for some servers I operate. |
| 04:12.40 | stew | Cobi: what do you mean by "compiled with different versions"? |
| 04:12.54 | Cobi | Erm ... compiled with different options, my mistake. |
| 04:12.59 | stew | Cobi: if the packages are different, they should have different version numbers |
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| 04:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
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| 04:36.32 | euphamism | just wondering but whats the premier programing language on todays horizon? |
| 04:36.55 | Seb | euphamism: what exactly are you asking ? |
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| 04:38.40 | euphamism | dermatological ostentacious origamy |
| 04:38.43 | euphamism | lay it on me |
| 04:38.54 | euphamism | can you please bypartizan efforts endow me |
| 04:39.05 | euphamism | trills the thrills that let it spill |
| 04:39.08 | euphamism | lol |
| 04:39.28 | euphamism | anyways though on a serious note |
| 04:39.45 | euphamism | what the longitude |
| 04:39.48 | amphi | methinks euphamism fails the turing test |
| 04:41.18 | euphamism | sorry guys just wanted a yes or no answer in the form of a mystical question such as whats the premier brogramming language lol |
| 04:41.38 | euphamism | chit man chit i tell u |
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| 04:46.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | methinks he positively scores on the drug test, though |
| 04:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | or was it ... scores positive |
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| 05:00.56 | c0m1 | hi. does anyone know how to set screen resolution in xorg.conf? |
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| 05:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !drxx |
| 05:05.41 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 05:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | c0m1, also, xrandr can change the resolution on-the fly and do all kinds of fancy stuff |
| 05:06.57 | medc | CutMeOwnThroat, how can i start my 3d render on my GPU |
| 05:07.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 05:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean... "hardware acceleration"? |
| 05:08.44 | medc | CutMeOwnThroat, i have an ATI Radeon 2600 HD, i downloaded everything to make the render work.....nothing happend my GPU its like doing nothing |
| 05:08.51 | medc | CutMeOwnThroat, yes Hardware accel |
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| 05:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what graphics driver do you use in xorg.conf? |
| 05:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | havent used ati for... many years, but should be... flgrx? |
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| 05:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, what ati is it? |
| 05:10.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ati |
| 05:10.01 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 05:10.40 | medc | !radeonhd |
| 05:10.40 | dpkg | radeonhd is, like, the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. |
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| 05:30.32 | msshams | my server space going to finished. tell me about paths that i can check it for unwanted files. e.g. /var/log or /tmp or ... |
| 05:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get clean (removes archived packages under /var) |
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| 05:31.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, possibly... |
| 05:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cruft |
| 05:34.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cruft is a program to look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run. |
| 05:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's not really something to get lots of space back |
| 05:35.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | msshams, perhaps try "gdmap", if you can run X applications remotely from the server to find where the space is used up |
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| 06:06.02 | sparr | a package with nonexistent dependencies, i want to apt-get build-dep it, how can i change its dependencies mid-apt-get without rebuilding the package? |
| 06:06.18 | sparr | or tell apt to get an older version of the dep |
| 06:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it secret what package that is? :) |
| 06:07.27 | sparr | for now, yes |
| 06:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | got that? |
| 06:08.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, sorry, spoke it aloud to my monitor... |
| 06:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 06:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I know what you want, though - keep the package unchanged, but edit the dependencies? |
| 06:08.35 | sparr | how? |
| 06:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | download the .deb, unpack it with ar -x pkg.deb |
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| 06:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | untar control.tar.gz and edit ... file is called "control" |
| 06:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | repack such that all files are back in the archives in the same order they were before |
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| 06:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you should know what you're doing when changing the dependencies... |
| 06:10.51 | sparr | thanks for the help |
| 06:11.17 | sparr | theres no channel for help with apt, so i ask here since its a debian tool, but if i told you what package its for then people would kick me out |
| 06:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | tsk, tsk |
| 06:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | "quick guys, I got another ubuntu user, I'll hold him, while you drive the stake through his heart" |
| 06:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 06:14.11 | sparr | pretty much |
| 06:14.18 | sparr | except today it's not ubuntu :) |
| 06:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dis won't work on windows |
| 06:14.39 | sparr | there are a hundred distros that use apt. there are not a hundred channels with people who have 10 years of experience using apt. |
| 06:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
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| 06:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't that scare you? :) Who's makeing all thos distributions without having any clue about apt ;) |
| 06:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | funnily enough, I think there's no factoid for this question |
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| 06:17.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 06:17.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !.deb |
| 06:17.13 | dpkg | i guess .deb is a debian package, or an ar archive containing control.tar.gz (debian stuff) and data.tar.gz (the files) |
| 06:17.14 | sparr | apt Just Works in most cases, dont need to know how |
| 06:17.34 | sparr | 99.9% of debian users never use /etc/apt/preferences |
| 06:17.39 | sparr | let alone non-debian distros |
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| 06:17.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true |
| 06:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | surely everyone has at least seen knoppix or the like once |
| 06:18.08 | sparr | s/use/customize/ |
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| 06:19.30 | sparr | my /etc/apt/sources.list.d has 37 files in it. my preferences file has 17 pinning sections |
| 06:20.06 | sparr | the guys who wrote the apt tools did a hell of a job, but the people who know how it all works can probably be counted on one hand |
| 06:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 06:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ wc -l /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | 131 /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | what a mess :) |
| 06:20.41 | sparr | sources.list.d is a life saver |
| 06:20.53 | sparr | what about your /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 06:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, it's all commented out entries I no longer use |
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| 06:21.00 | sparr | probably 4 lines, just like the rest of the world |
| 06:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's really just a couple of lines + empty lines + comments |
| 06:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably 1 line |
| 06:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 06:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't exist :) |
| 06:21.46 | sparr | ive got packages pinned by version, by distro, by name. at 7 different pin-priority levels |
| 06:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't want all that |
| 06:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha... and tell you the secret, I'm mixing versions... |
| 06:22.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you obviously too with that amount of pinning |
| 06:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but mixing is evil(TM) |
| 06:23.26 | mu-dev | how many copies of libc do you have in ram? :) |
| 06:23.34 | sparr | mu-dev: probably 3 or so |
| 06:23.44 | sparr | CutMeOwnThroat: bah @ versions, im mixing distros |
| 06:23.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there, now we're two and can burn him :-P |
| 06:24.22 | sparr | Package: * |
| 06:24.22 | sparr | Pin: release o=Debian |
| 06:24.22 | sparr | Pin-Priority: -1 |
| 06:24.24 | mu-dev | jes call me one of two... I date seven of nine! |
| 06:24.30 | sparr | see, technically im kinda running debian :) |
| 06:25.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I was never allone |
| 06:25.17 | sparr | it would not surprise me at all if i was the only person in the whole world pinning by origin |
| 06:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !poetrysmite sparr |
| 06:25.22 | dpkg | sparr: Oh freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. Groop I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes. |
| 06:25.40 | sparr | <towel/> |
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| 06:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how come you don't know how to change the dependencies of a package... |
| 06:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... and I right now wonder if I have lived for 10 years with apt :) |
| 06:27.28 | sparr | i know how to do it the way you said |
| 06:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why ask? |
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| 06:28.06 | sparr | i was hoping there was a way to do it mid-apt-get, like you can edit preinst/postinst scripts in the cache in the middle of running dpkg |
| 06:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( everyone's testing me today ) |
| 06:28.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that's kind of against the principle of the thing |
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| 06:41.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why depends |
| 06:41.56 | dpkg | Depends: Because a wet spot on your pants is just unsightly. |
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| 06:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sparr, so how do you edit preinst/postinst scripts while running dpkg? |
| 06:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and does it work with broken scripts that make dpkg die |
| 06:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, die |
| 06:47.20 | dpkg | I'll murder you cutmeownthroat! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
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| 06:49.22 | sparr | CutMeOwnThroat: they live in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ after it unpacks them, before/while it tries to run them. yes, that is precisely the situation in which you would edit them |
| 06:49.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok, but that's a kind of hackish way to do it |
| 06:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought there was an option to do that in dpkg... |
| 06:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which would be usefule - for exactly that situation) |
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| 06:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you're saying after dpkg failed, you can just edit it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, then you get a 2nd try? |
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| 06:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought everything always starts from unpacking the .deb - overwriting any change you made |
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| 06:51.57 | dmoerner | CutMeOwnThroat, not if you invoke dpkg --configure |
| 06:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get -b source <something> works that way |
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| 06:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 06:52.12 | sparr | been a while since i did it, maybe im misremembering the proces |
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| 06:53.02 | Jemt | Good morning. I have just installed OpenOffice 3 using the .deb files from openoffice.org. When I start 'oowriter', it's still the old version that starts, though. How do I find out where the binaries are stored ? |
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| 06:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, ok, that can be - but if you use apt-get -f install or something, it'd never work |
| 06:53.34 | sparr | Jemt: which oowriter |
| 06:53.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | thx |
| 06:53.50 | Jemt | sparr: Version 2 from stable. The one I just installed is 3.0 |
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| 06:54.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, dpkg -L yourNewPackageName |
| 06:54.25 | dmoerner | CutMeOwnThroat, no, because apt-get install -f remembers if dpkg croaked on a configuration of a package and then tries to reconfigure it |
| 06:54.26 | Jemt | Thank you, I will try that |
| 06:54.31 | dmoerner | i believe |
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| 06:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, and I think he meant "which oowriter" as in... typing it on the commandline... |
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| 06:56.00 | Jemt | Hm, no - dpkg -L points me to the "old" OpenOffice 2.0 |
| 06:56.09 | Jemt | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't get that (?) |
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| 06:56.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -L <package> shows you the files that are in <package> |
| 06:56.37 | dpkg | ii <package> shows you the files that are in <package> 3.4-14.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 06:56.43 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 06:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hits dpkg |
| 06:57.09 | Jemt | Hehe :) |
| 06:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, if it points you to the old openoffice, then that's what you got installed |
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| 06:57.57 | Jemt | Ah, I probably used the wrong package name |
| 06:58.04 | Agiofws | hello |
| 06:58.23 | Jemt | It's installed into /opt - thank god :) |
| 06:58.29 | Jemt | Makes it easy to remove :) |
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| 06:59.25 | Jemt | Thanks guys, I now have OpenOffice 3 running :D |
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| 06:59.47 | akio | i was wondering if there are any dial-up users in here? |
| 06:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, I thought it's a package |
| 07:00.11 | akio | and if there was, could they tell me a bit about how they connect |
| 07:00.48 | akio | i have the "at - ok" thing down |
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| 07:00.52 | akio | in minicom |
| 07:01.00 | akio | but no dialtone |
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| 07:01.27 | akio | ac97 and its recognized |
| 07:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's too far in my past :) |
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| 07:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the sound might of the modem might just be switched off? |
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| 07:04.43 | akio | so i have to turn the volume up? |
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| 07:05.21 | akio | i found out that you can get access at no cost through dial-up |
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| 07:05.43 | akio | so wherever im at i can plug in for free with a phone line |
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| 07:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like switch it on, as far as I remember |
| 07:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | or maybe turn it off |
| 07:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 07:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | up |
| 07:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 07:10.17 | Netfeed | where is the packages that will be installed downloaded to? |
| 07:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there was an at command for that (?) |
| 07:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:10.34 | Netfeed | thanks |
| 07:10.58 | Netfeed | it's fine to just remove everything from there? |
| 07:11.10 | criten | apt-get clean |
| 07:11.22 | Netfeed | works too :) |
| 07:11.28 | Netfeed | thanks |
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| 07:12.20 | Netfeed | had no space left at / so i couldn't login to gdm |
| 07:12.58 | criten | buy a new hdd :) |
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| 07:21.56 | kingsley | In the output of "aptitude install <package name>" What does the "{a}" in the "<papckage name>{a}" mean? |
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| 07:25.05 | Hyperi | Ok, I already asked this on #linux but got no answer... |
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| 07:25.49 | Hyperi | I gzipped a 20GB+ textfile that ended up as 2.4GB gzip, but for some reasons it didn't free the disk space... Any ideas? |
| 07:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 07:26.33 | kingsley | Hyperi: Why do you think gzip didn't free disk space? |
| 07:27.21 | Hyperi | kingsley: Exactly. |
| 07:27.39 | Hyperi | The original file isn't there anymore, but for some reasons it didn't free the disk space :/ |
| 07:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hyperi, if you also want to know WHAT the ideas are... some process still has the original file open? |
| 07:28.24 | kingsley | Hyperi: I may owe you an apology for not being clear. |
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| 07:28.53 | mavhc | you mean you deleted a file and that didn't increase free space? |
| 07:29.09 | kingsley | Hyperi: What led you to believe that gzip didn't free disk space? Did the "df" command show no change? |
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| 07:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, of course if there was more than one hard link to the file, it would stay |
| 07:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's more likely that freeing the space is delayed until the file is not used anymore, I'd think |
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| 07:36.58 | akio | holy crap the linuxant site has a driver |
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| 07:39.16 | Hyperi | kingsley: yes, df -h changed the output to even lesser amount |
| 07:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | umount the disk and remount |
| 07:40.18 | Hyperi | And thank you CutMeOwnThroat, you got the solution :P |
| 07:40.26 | Hyperi | I did 'apachectrl graceful' :) |
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| 07:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so now the price question |
| 07:41.08 | kingsley | Hyperi: Which column of "df -h"'s output says less? |
| 07:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | can someone come up with *another* reason why the space wouldn't be freed |
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| 07:47.22 | Hyperi | CutMeOwnThroat: :P |
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| 07:48.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm? |
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| 07:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | there might be a small prize in it |
| 07:54.13 | Hyperi | improper inode handling ? |
| 07:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | lacks elegance :-P |
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| 07:54.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 07:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !prize Hyperi |
| 07:54.51 | dpkg | gives Hyperi a My Little Pony. |
| 07:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually can't come up with anything else that's likely either |
| 07:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could have your machine cracked and the guy installed a kernel-module for his backdoor which breaks unlink() |
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| 08:00.40 | Hyperi | :P |
| 08:01.20 | thnee | i need to choose a file system for my new 1TB warez-hdd. i was thinking of going with xfs, since it seems to perform well under different circumstances. thoughts? |
| 08:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't know debian mirrors are called warez now |
| 08:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but we learn |
| 08:02.04 | Hyperi | :D |
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| 08:04.52 | thnee | i soo wanna try zfs but it seems to be too unstable still |
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| 08:05.19 | thnee | in linux that is |
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| 08:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've got more thoughts |
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| 08:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | they go like... "there's no numbers in his nick" |
| 08:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... off to bed |
| 08:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I thought "RAID" is the word |
| 08:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and a terabyte is nothing anymore these days |
| 08:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | guy just looked external drives up and you get a tb for a few bucks |
| 08:08.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's disgusting |
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| 08:09.29 | enouf | but seeks per TB are way down these days with peeps using 1TB disks |
| 08:09.45 | enouf | thnee: try btrfs instead :-) |
| 08:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't it really be thn33? |
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| 08:10.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 08:10.48 | enouf | looks through the unicode fonts for a reverse R |
| 08:10.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 08:11.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | so when I have testing and unstable sources in my sources.list, |
| 08:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh-oh |
| 08:11.31 | enouf | i should've said, seeks/sec per TB |
| 08:11.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | light flickered |
| 08:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | phew, seems I'm still here |
| 08:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | no ups |
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| 08:12.18 | enouf | !go to bed |
| 08:12.18 | dpkg | (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go to bed, go to bed, just damn go. Home. |
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| 08:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so when I have testing and unstable sources in my sources.list, can I just run "apt-get upgrade" and it'll stick to testing with that? |
| 08:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, okokok :) |
| 08:12.31 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 08:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but can I? |
| 08:12.51 | enouf | er .. better pin that correctly |
| 08:13.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache policy doesn't even show unstable |
| 08:13.14 | enouf | or - do it the right way and only have a deb-src line for unstable |
| 08:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I've never pinned anything in my life... no insects, no dogs, no cats... |
| 08:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | now that's boring |
| 08:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 08:13.54 | criten | CutMeOwnThroat, not even a donkey? |
| 08:13.58 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: once you run update, you will, if you did anything right |
| 08:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did it the "right way" and do only have deb-src in my list |
| 08:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 08:14.11 | enouf | heh |
| 08:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lart me |
| 08:14.13 | dpkg | gives cutmeownthroat a good seeing to |
| 08:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I've got to face being boring |
| 08:14.59 | thnee | enouf: btrfs is not finished |
| 08:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was quick :) |
| 08:15.11 | enouf | ofcourse not - help it out ;-) |
| 08:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's bleeding edge |
| 08:15.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially bleeding... |
| 08:15.39 | thnee | oh but you see, i am looking for a finished file system |
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| 08:15.56 | enouf | zfs won't be in linux, it's a licensing incompatibility, though i admire the work being done |
| 08:16.04 | thnee | i am in dire need to starting to use my harddrive |
| 08:16.38 | enouf | then use xfs, reiserfs, jfs, ext3, .. |
| 08:16.39 | e81 | im using xfs for servers with diskspace larger than 1TB, working fine for me |
| 08:16.57 | thnee | you dont think it really matters? |
| 08:17.37 | enouf | !fs comparison |
| 08:17.37 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 08:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like the sound of nilfs, though |
| 08:17.56 | thnee | why thank you enouf |
| 08:18.19 | enouf | thnee: many of them are a bit older now though, since i last looked at them |
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| 08:18.48 | enouf | heck, might want to try ext4 ;-) |
| 08:19.00 | mad_muppet | I have set up a debian box on vmware and after cloning it the clone does not have an eth0 |
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| 08:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 08:20.18 | enouf | hurls Ricki Lake, Jerry Springer, Morton Downey Jr, and some other asshat into CutMeOwnThroat 's bed - he's not using it! |
| 08:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 08:21.04 | enouf | can sleep+irc at the same time ... neat trick ... i'm doing so right now ;-) |
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| 08:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !enoufsmite me |
| 08:21.14 | dpkg | smacks cutmeownthroat with man page (ordered by cutmeownthroat). |
| 08:21.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | what you see is all results of my forehead hitting the kbd |
| 08:21.42 | enouf | heh |
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| 08:22.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | .... you're sleeping? |
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| 08:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, celinedionsmite enouf |
| 08:22.18 | dpkg | squeals into enouf's left ear at high pitch and volume |
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| 08:22.24 | enouf | ZzzZzzZzzz... |
| 08:22.55 | enouf | OUCH! .. WTF! |
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| 08:23.17 | enouf | !nuke celinedion |
| 08:23.17 | dpkg | fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at celinedion |
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| 08:23.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's unfair |
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| 08:24.02 | enouf | emulates the bush/cheney doctrine ;) |
| 08:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | this nuke could have had a nice and fulfilled life... |
| 08:24.47 | mad_muppet | found that using dhclient eth1 worked .. |
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| 08:25.53 | enouf | mad_muppet: /msg dpkg z25 ? though vmwarez has it's own nic thingy? dunno |
| 08:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 08:26.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
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| 08:27.32 | mad_muppet | enouf: was searching the web for info and saw the dhclient thing .. tried it and it worked so not sure what the problem was .. maybe vmware doesnt like two os using the same network card address |
| 08:28.47 | mad_muppet | Im stoked tho I can learn linux and dont have to worry if I kill anything to bad to have to reinstall ..:D which with me is a certianty |
| 08:29.29 | enouf | boring! |
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| 08:29.33 | enouf | :-) |
| 08:29.45 | mad_muppet | :p |
| 08:30.14 | mad_muppet | would like to run debian on my next box but I have to wait for another couple of months for it |
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| 08:31.34 | enouf | it's fine - practice now ;-) do "/msg dpkg grounding" in your irc client |
| 08:32.50 | mad_muppet | thanks for that .. its great .. really appreciate it |
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| 08:35.41 | S-i-A | hi |
| 08:35.56 | S-i-A | whi can't use 'mtr' for remote IP? |
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| 08:36.23 | petemc | what happens when you try? |
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| 08:36.58 | S-i-A | petemc: http://paste.debian.net/21268/ |
| 08:37.50 | petemc | just use mtr 80.237.132.87 |
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| 08:38.18 | petemc | man mtr |
| 08:38.22 | thnee | it seems xfs support in windows is a bit of work. maybe i will just go with ntfs to make things easy for me. i read that ntfs-3g performs quite well under the circumstances? |
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| 08:39.01 | S-i-A | petemc: man mtr said 'mtr -a IP |
| 08:39.38 | petemc | no, it tells you to use that option if you want to bind outgoing packets to that interface |
| 08:40.06 | petemc | you dont have an interface with that address, as its remote |
| 08:40.12 | S-i-A | but mtr IP display nothing about this IP just my localip |
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| 08:44.49 | milligan_ | I have absolutely no experience with iptables, I'm ashamed to say. That in mind, does this seem sane: http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1226479364 ? |
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| 08:48.19 | petemc | milligan_: no, what is it you want to achieve? |
| 08:48.35 | milligan_ | petemc, pretty much disallow any outgoing traffic to any other internal ip than the gateway. |
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| 08:49.40 | petemc | milligan_: the rules are processed in order, so i think your first rule would mean nothing gets to the second |
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| 08:50.23 | milligan_ | ah. I have them the wrong way around ? |
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| 08:53.56 | fixius | hey guys i was wondering how to get a package into a debian repo |
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| 09:15.54 | napnap | hi all |
| 09:15.55 | zafy | hey everyone, how can I know which release of etch I'm using ? |
| 09:16.46 | zafy | anyone ? |
| 09:17.03 | napnap | I've just installed a new driver for my network card on debian etch, but I would like to know if I will do anything to load this new module at boot time |
| 09:17.18 | napnap | at this state I've just compile it, and load with modprobe |
| 09:18.11 | napnap | but I think the old driver will be load at next boot no ? then, how can I know the version of a module loaded ? |
| 09:18.13 | enouf | napnap: one way is through /etc/modules |
| 09:18.43 | enouf | zafy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:19.09 | zafy | enouf, so if it just says 4.0 then it's the first release then ? |
| 09:19.15 | napnap | enouf: but if the old modules is loaded, do I write in /etc/modules "rmmod e1000 && modprobe e1000" ? |
| 09:19.30 | enouf | zafy: /msg dpkg security |
| 09:20.16 | enouf | napnap: not really, no |
| 09:21.03 | enouf | !tell zafy about 4.0r5 |
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| 09:21.39 | napnap | with modprobe if I not specify the full path of the module ( /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-xen-686/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/ ) the kernel load the old module or not ? |
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| 09:22.44 | napnap | in my mind the old, but commands in the doc don't show that |
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| 09:23.01 | enouf | which is old? |
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| 09:25.27 | napnap | enouf: the e1000 module installed with the system. In fact i will try to update it (with the last e1000 module found in intel website) because my network card shutdown if no traffic |
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| 09:26.21 | napnap | I don't know why :-\ |
| 09:26.49 | enouf | napnap: careful |
| 09:26.56 | zafy_ | is it norma that I have both version 0.9.7 and 0.9.8 of libssl installed on debian etch ? |
| 09:27.00 | napnap | and the new module is not the answer, because my server is down now... |
| 09:27.08 | bolt-work | napnap: ping -f google.com :P |
| 09:27.31 | napnap | bolt-work: yes , it's the solution for the moment .... |
| 09:27.46 | enouf | napnap: there's a known issue with the e1000 being bricked |
| 09:28.09 | kryptoz | hi.. if I do "arping 192.168.1.10" I get a response and a hardware address... I try ping .. it doesnt work, I did a nmap -P0 which complained the host is down |
| 09:28.43 | kryptoz | is this behavious because the switch or router cached the wrong/old arp ? |
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| 09:29.46 | napnap | enouf: yes and know by who ? have you a link ? |
| 09:29.50 | enouf | zafy_: i think you might want the info in /msg dpkg DSA1571 |
| 09:30.15 | enouf | napnap: kernel devs, one moment |
| 09:30.23 | zafy_ | enouf, I did that ages ago |
| 09:30.35 | zafy_ | openssl-vulkeyx and all that |
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| 09:32.49 | meeero | my /proc/net/ip_conntrack-table just went full......how do i purge some entries from there? it's urgent |
| 09:33.36 | enouf | napnap: well, find the thread, but here's the general info area "Jiri Kosina cautioned that there is still an unknown bug affecting the e1000e driver currently in the 2.6.27 kernel, ....." http://kerneltrap.org/taxonomy/term/1305 |
| 09:34.00 | shingouz | where does ekiga store its configs, more specifically the user/pass combinations? |
| 09:34.36 | ior3k | meeero: not sure if it helps, but http://osdir.com/ml/linux.leaf.user/2005-04/msg00089.html |
| 09:34.49 | ior3k | meeero: Google's your friend btw |
| 09:35.02 | enouf | zafy_: yes, it's normal |
| 09:35.31 | ior3k | is svn segfaulting for anyone else besides me? |
| 09:35.37 | zafy_ | enouf okay thanks |
| 09:36.06 | ior3k | I can't use it, it just segfaults |
| 09:36.59 | bReakMyFaLL | my debian 4.0 r5 is stuck on getting mirrors |
| 09:39.06 | bReakMyFaLL | it's okay now |
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| 09:51.15 | yu_ning | wld like to install different vers of a lib. where to look for docs? |
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| 09:52.21 | yu_ning | switch between those versions when necessary |
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| 09:59.26 | Daggett | hi all |
| 09:59.53 | ior3k | yu_ning: I think aptitude install <package_name>=<version> does what you want |
| 10:00.40 | Daggett | I need some help with IP tables: I want to route traffic from eth0(LAN) to eth1(internet) |
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| 10:00.48 | Daggett | how can I do that ? |
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| 10:04.03 | yu_ning | ior3k: if switched, the old version is removed, isn't it? |
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| 10:04.39 | Jinx_ | maybe you should join the cisco chanel, maybe you need a "routed protocol" or serach router deamon |
| 10:04.46 | Jinx_ | "IDK" |
| 10:06.19 | ior3k | yu_ning: I think so |
| 10:07.15 | yu_ning | ior3k: hmm... look'g for a better mechanism. Thx all the same. |
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| 10:14.13 | Jinx_ | you might want to try TLDP for a doc. on masqurading... |
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| 10:25.22 | poncha|work | i have a local user , whom i want to let in FTP (vsftpd is ftp server here), but not on ssh . i would still want to be able to let him in via SFTP subsys, but only allow access his own home directory (i.e. chroot sftp). is this possible ? |
| 10:26.04 | poncha|work | giving him sftp isnt a must, so i tried to put /bin/false as a shell for a user, but then he is also not able to ftp in |
| 10:28.18 | Jinx_ | I am under the impression the corresponding etc's are seperate, maybe I am just a nigger |
| 10:29.50 | Jinx_ | is it possible to just add a "*"? |
| 10:30.00 | poncha|work | err? |
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| 10:32.53 | Jinx_ | ...it might be in the admin doc |
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| 10:34.28 | reza | hello, can someone help me with ati card on debian ? |
| 10:35.05 | Jinx_ | not I said the fly |
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| 10:35.35 | Jinx_ | gets swated |
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| 10:38.57 | poncha|work | Jinx_: are you talking to yourself? cause i cant relate your messages to anything :) |
| 10:39.33 | poncha|work | p.s. found what suits me... DenyGroups in sshd_config .. although it restricts sftp as well, but so be it :) |
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| 10:43.05 | onur | Hi. I am gonna setup a web server. This server is gonna have only apache and mysql. It must be lightweight. I am thinking to install sarge. Is this a right choice or should i use etch? Is there a huge performance differents between sarge and etch? What do you reccomended? |
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| 10:46.33 | petemc | onur: sarge hasnt been getting security updates for a while now, it would make a very bad choice |
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| 10:46.57 | masus | hi all, is it possible to change the debian etch iso and add sata "libata" support and burn it to an cd ? Thanks |
| 10:47.08 | poncha|work | onur: why sarge ? |
| 10:47.24 | poncha|work | etch is stable now, why go back in time ? |
| 10:47.29 | Nibbler | apache != lightwight |
| 10:47.33 | Nibbler | performance difference should be very small at maximum, its more about features |
| 10:47.52 | onur | poncha|work: this servers os is must be lightweight |
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| 10:48.09 | poncha|work | onur: putting an outdated os doesnt make it lightweight |
| 10:48.18 | petemc | masus: theres stuff on the wiki about creating a custom kernel for the installer, tho are you sure what you need isnt in one of the installl kernels? |
| 10:48.34 | onur | Nibbler: do you have another reccomendation? lighttd? |
| 10:49.01 | poncha|work | onur: if you want to go really light - build your own kernel with only stuff you need and disable all unnecesary daemons... |
| 10:49.12 | Nibbler | onur: sounds good, but no idea whatyou need... if you want to serve plain html.... take anyone with "light" in its name :) |
| 10:49.22 | maligor | or tiny ;) |
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| 10:49.39 | Nibbler | tinylightsmallhttpd is pretty good |
| 10:49.45 | poncha|work | lol |
| 10:49.51 | onur | php is necessary |
| 10:50.01 | petemc | apache isnt exactly heavyweight |
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| 10:50.36 | maligor | lighttpd can use fastcgi |
| 10:50.42 | masus | petemc: cant install debian etch. The pc have one sata hd. What is the best and easy way to fix that |
| 10:50.54 | petemc | masus: tried etchnhalf ? |
| 10:50.57 | petemc | or lenny |
| 10:51.12 | masus | petemc: no |
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| 10:51.34 | masus | petemc: is lenny released ? |
| 10:51.38 | petemc | no |
| 10:51.46 | poncha|work | masus: you mean "fix" as in fix the situation of only having one sata drive ? |
| 10:52.00 | poncha|work | buy another drive and build a raid :P |
| 10:52.09 | masus | :) |
| 10:52.22 | masus | petemc: etchnhalf what is that ? |
| 10:52.32 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:55.34 | masus | petemc: i cant install etchnhalf i have to install etch first to use it, and thats the point i cant install etch |
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| 10:55.59 | petemc | no, you can get an etchnhalf iso with an updated kernel |
| 10:56.03 | petemc | and use that to install |
| 10:56.16 | tommyd_ | Hi all! Can somebody confirm that in a stock etch release /etc/php5/*/php.ini are 600? |
| 10:56.19 | maligor | masus, lenny does have a installer, and I doubt it'll take too long for release |
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| 10:56.51 | tommyd_ | and if this is the case, can somebody please further elaborate whats the rationale behind this? |
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| 10:56.58 | masus | ok Thanks all |
| 10:57.26 | jsaak | masus: if all previous tips fail, and only then you can enable ATA compatibility in BIOS |
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| 10:59.33 | masus | jsaak: all the tips fails because i want to install ossim it's a installer with debian etch.. And there is no option in bios to chane the compatibility to ATA |
| 10:59.59 | tommyd_ | jsaak: ok, thanks, thats what I suspected |
| 11:00.07 | tommyd_ | dunno who went crazy here... |
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| 11:00.45 | jsaak | what is ossim? try #ossim perhaps? |
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| 11:01.28 | masus | jsaak: no it's not an ossim issue |
| 11:01.43 | jsaak | is it a distro based on debian? |
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| 11:03.05 | masus | jsaak: http://www.ossim.net/ |
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| 11:03.32 | maligor | web interface huh? |
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| 11:04.05 | masus | jsaak: it's a Open Source Security Information Management + installer with debian etch |
| 11:05.34 | jsaak | well if ossim supports only etch, and etch does not support your sata chip, and you have no options in bios, then you are screwed |
| 11:05.45 | masus | yes :s |
| 11:05.52 | petemc | masus: really your question should have been, "is it possible to change the ossim iso.." |
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| 11:06.06 | masus | petemc: you are right |
| 11:06.15 | jsaak | that is why you should ask it in #ossim not here |
| 11:06.20 | masus | petemc: i have dont think about that |
| 11:06.21 | maligor | they have sources also |
| 11:06.34 | maligor | you could probably just rebuild the packages on something newer |
| 11:06.59 | masus | jsaak: ş dont think that they can fix it, the first thing what say say would be ask in debian :) |
| 11:07.20 | maligor | huh? |
| 11:07.25 | masus | :) |
| 11:07.34 | masus | sorry for my english |
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| 11:07.53 | maligor | it's even possible you could install the etch packages directly in lenny or etchnhalf |
| 11:08.11 | masus | ok i'll try it |
| 11:08.29 | masus | thanks all |
| 11:08.41 | petemc | or install debian and install ossim in a virtual machine |
| 11:08.41 | maligor | since they provide apt repositories for it |
| 11:09.18 | maligor | shiny interface they have tho |
| 11:09.34 | masus | but if i use lenny , and get problems with ossim + lenny . i cant fix it and they should say me use etch |
| 11:09.43 | maligor | I wonder if I could install it on a marvell orion |
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| 11:10.13 | masus | so i change the pc |
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| 11:10.40 | Jinx_ | I guess I have been up to long |
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| 11:36.14 | terraz | im trying to find a package, mod_gnutls but i cant find it anywhere (etch) couldsomeone help me find it? |
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| 11:38.54 | twouters | terraz: you mean libapache2-mod-gnutls ? |
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| 11:39.59 | nocte | hi |
| 11:40.09 | nocte | when the debian lenny will be officially release ? |
| 11:40.41 | themill | !wwlr |
| 11:40.41 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. Hopefully before the end of mid 2009, but in any case, not until there are no more release critical bugs. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 11:42.26 | terraz | twouters: yes |
| 11:42.32 | terraz | twouters: i cannot find it for etch |
| 11:42.40 | terraz | when i use aptitude search |
| 11:44.06 | themill | judd: versions libapache2-mod-gnutls |
| 11:44.08 | judd | themill: libapache2-mod-gnutls: 0.5.1-1 (lenny) 0.5.2-1 (sid) |
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| 11:46.03 | EugenMayer | hello, iam running a debian etch machine. My transaction time with EXIM is high ( 6s ). Any ideas how to optimze that? |
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| 11:48.45 | terraz | themill: hmm, so to use it what would be my options |
| 11:49.27 | themill | terraz: you could try backporting it. I have no idea how possible or feasible that is though. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 11:49.43 | terraz | oops |
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| 12:01.37 | zxxd | hi |
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| 12:03.41 | ring999 | hi, im running debian on macbook. having problem with oversensitive touchpad. Anyone know how to solve that issue? |
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| 12:07.20 | liable | i think xset can adjust that |
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| 12:14.46 | esteel | ringo999: try 'man synclient' |
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| 12:36.39 | lbruno | waves |
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| 12:37.04 | lbruno | anyone has problems when hot-resizing JFS volumes? |
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| 12:38.44 | SlayerXP | lbruno: without doubt. |
| 12:38.51 | bubble | can somebody help me with installing mIRC pls |
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| 12:39.03 | bubble | i think i need to install x11? |
| 12:39.27 | lbruno | bubble: if you already have a graphic desktop, you have x11 |
| 12:39.31 | bubble | i dont |
| 12:39.49 | lbruno | bubble: oh. bit more than what I can chew at the moment |
| 12:39.56 | bubble | :( |
| 12:40.04 | bubble | can any1 else help meh |
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| 12:41.26 | lbruno | SlayerXP: any pointers? My filesystems always need some consistency checking after resizing, complaining about numinos free IIRC |
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| 12:42.21 | DGnome | bubble: apt-get install gnome xchat-gnome |
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| 12:42.35 | DGnome | bubble: throw in gdm also |
| 12:42.40 | bubble | no |
| 12:42.44 | bubble | thats not what i asked.. |
| 12:43.02 | bubble | i want to install mIRC via WINE |
| 12:43.21 | DGnome | well then just do it :) |
| 12:43.41 | bubble | errors galore |
| 12:43.51 | cast | there should a term for running mirc via wine |
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| 12:44.07 | bubble | http://pastebin.ca/1254270 |
| 12:44.16 | bubble | so i need to install x11, right? |
| 12:44.19 | bubble | or just vnc? |
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| 12:46.29 | bubble | can somebody help me pls |
| 12:46.41 | DGnome | bubble: this is how it's done on ubuntu, but it should be allmost precicely the same on debian lenny :) http://cad.cx/blog/2007/10/07/howto-run-mirc-on-ubuntu-linux/ |
| 12:47.15 | bubble | i run etch but ye |
| 12:47.31 | abrotman | why would anyone want to run mirc on linux? |
| 12:47.34 | etnt | anyone got a good .bashrc setup to get a shared history (a la zsh) ? |
| 12:47.52 | bubble | abrotman, host a bot for a friend on my vps ty |
| 12:48.05 | abrotman | so your vps doesn't run X windows? |
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| 12:48.07 | bubble | DGnome, that wont help me.. |
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| 12:48.43 | abrotman | it won't help because ubuntu isn't debian .. jeez |
| 12:48.48 | abrotman | bubble: does your vps run X ? |
| 12:48.58 | bubble | no, i need to set it up |
| 12:49.07 | lbruno | looks for the right channel to discuss JFS |
| 12:49.07 | bubble | and a vnc client |
| 12:49.09 | abrotman | bubble: so you want your server to run X ? |
| 12:49.15 | abrotman | are you really sure about this? |
| 12:49.25 | bubble | can i pm u abrotman |
| 12:49.32 | abrotman | no |
| 12:49.38 | bubble | :( |
| 12:49.50 | abrotman | bubble: aptitude install xorg .. that will grab the X packages |
| 12:49.50 | bubble | abrotman, i fink so |
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| 12:49.57 | abrotman | thinks this entire idea is silly |
| 12:50.03 | bubble | how is it silly |
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| 12:50.12 | abrotman | if your friend wants the bot so bad, have him run it on his box at home |
| 12:50.19 | bubble | i wud liek a place ta host dis bot 24/7 |
| 12:50.32 | abrotman | !wud |
| 12:50.32 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 12:51.10 | bubble | klol |
| 12:51.47 | DGnome | oy vey, them scriptkiddiez... |
| 12:51.48 | lbruno | dpkg: wot if we ask loik an Irish? |
| 12:51.49 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, lbruno |
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| 12:52.40 | bubble | im not a skiddie ty |
| 12:53.00 | bubble | nm, i just read man pages foor hours, ty for the help -.- |
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| 12:55.33 | lbruno | !jfs |
| 12:55.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try!, or http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ |
| 12:55.46 | lbruno | !xfs |
| 12:55.46 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ Data lossage on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. |
| 12:55.59 | lbruno | !ext3 |
| 12:55.59 | dpkg | hmm... ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>. FAQ - http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 12:56.13 | lbruno | !ricerfs |
| 12:56.13 | dpkg | ricerfs is probably the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 12:56.15 | liable | !telll lbruno -about msg the bot |
| 12:56.35 | lbruno | hangs his head... he forgot about msg the bot |
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| 13:01.05 | suwro | hello |
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| 13:01.48 | lbruno | so... horror stories about XFS? |
| 13:02.07 | suwro | is there any tool to ping from a specific ethernet card? I use NAT, and I have to test my firewall - my packet requests must be made on eth1 wich is the NAT device. |
| 13:02.10 | lbruno | just lost /home hot-resizing JFS |
| 13:02.26 | lbruno | suwro: ping -I eth1, IIRC |
| 13:02.34 | lbruno | that's a uppercase i |
| 13:02.35 | jelly | !+tell lbruno -about msg the bot |
| 13:02.36 | dpkg | told lbruno about msg the bot. |
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| 13:02.51 | suwro | lbruno: thank you - any nslookup ? |
| 13:03.20 | jelly | needs to improve the speed reading accuracy |
| 13:03.49 | jelly | apologies for the redundant message |
| 13:03.51 | lbruno | jelly: I did look at the lwn.net article |
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| 13:04.08 | lbruno | jelly: now, I need more than what the bot gave :-) |
| 13:04.18 | cast | i only have JFS2 horror stories |
| 13:04.47 | lbruno | cast: that's AIX-specific, right? |
| 13:05.07 | cast | nope |
| 13:05.22 | cast | it's in linux |
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| 13:06.37 | lbruno | well, in that case, I'll pass |
| 13:07.10 | yu_ning | if I have a version of libfoo in /usr/lib, and another version of it /usr/local/lib, which one is used by apps? |
| 13:07.26 | lbruno | either the JFS I'm using is v2, or I won't trust it anyway after losing my lunch hour restoring a /home out of JFSv1 clutches of death |
| 13:08.46 | adb | yu_ning: local first |
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| 13:12.47 | yu_ning | adb: any method to suppress it temporarily(and restore later)? |
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| 13:17.10 | jelly | yu_ning: man ld.so. LD_LIBRARY_PATH and LD_PRELOAD are often used. |
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| 13:17.45 | eanda | I'm looking for a the correct syntax for pam_mount.conf.xml to mount a public share called home-public on server yyy.xxx.ppp.ddd for any user that logs on and have it mounted so that the mount appears on the desktop. Can anyone help with this. Oh also the public share can be read and written to by nyone |
| 13:17.53 | yu_ning | jelly: thx. time to learn |
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| 13:18.40 | ghaleb | hello, I want user x to used sudo without password prompt, I added him to admin group and uncommented %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL, but it's not working |
| 13:18.58 | xdr | ghaleb: wheel group aswell? |
| 13:19.15 | xdr | though I don't encourage that |
| 13:19.16 | ghaleb | xdr: to add the user to wheel group ? |
| 13:19.21 | xdr | ghaleb: yes |
| 13:19.24 | ghaleb | no I didn't |
| 13:19.28 | xdr | ghaleb: try it |
| 13:19.28 | ghaleb | let me try |
| 13:20.06 | ghaleb | oh sorry, I forgot I'm using ubuntu server. not debian. sorry for that |
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| 13:20.19 | ghaleb | wheel is not exists in ubuntu |
| 13:20.24 | xdr | ghaleb: aah |
| 13:20.27 | cast | tries to work out what to do with a .docx |
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| 13:20.36 | xdr | cast: rm -rf? |
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| 13:22.02 | abrotman | cast: it's XML! |
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| 13:23.40 | abrotman | xdr: doesn't the -r and the -f seem a bit excessive ? |
| 13:23.52 | tosse | running lenny, got a grub problem.. have debian installed on hda, got two more sata drives as sda and sda, have /dev/md0 setup as a mirror with sda1 and sdb1, have copied all of the system to md0, but how do i make it bootable so i can boot from the sata disk and remove the ide disk? |
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| 13:25.13 | cast | hmm, so it is @ xml |
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| 13:27.48 | xdr | abrotman: just a habit ;) |
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| 13:28.41 | abrotman | cast: i'd guess OO at least has a chance of reading it |
| 13:29.02 | abrotman | cast: and win32 OO3 says it opens office xml docs |
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| 13:55.32 | xand | hmm |
| 13:55.50 | xand | etch installer tells me that DHCP configuration has failed, but when I go to alt-F2 and run ifconfig it has worked |
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| 13:57.46 | MacGyverNL_ | Having a slight problem on Debian Etch with GDB. |
| 13:57.48 | MacGyverNL_ | No symbol "new" in current context. Failed to read a valid object file image from memory. |
| 13:58.48 | MacGyverNL_ | This is quite a simple program, using a bit of SysV IPC shared memory and semaphores, but apart from that, nothing fancy. How can I diagnose what the problem is? I think it's a GDB problem, not a program problem. |
| 13:58.51 | MacGyverNL_ | Just not sure. |
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| 14:05.32 | ringo999 | hi, im running debian on macbook. having problem with oversensitive touchpad. Anyone know how to solve that issue? |
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| 14:12.37 | slicer_ | ringo999: have u tried using the mouse GUI, in system-preferences-mouse "sensitivity" |
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| 14:15.12 | vor | Hi, using winxp nx-client to a debian freeNXSERVER 2.1.0-22 all is working OK but I get in my log: ERROR: nxssh process exited with '255' 'NXNodeExec::exec' any help appreciated thnx! |
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| 14:17.50 | giupy | hi all |
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| 14:18.23 | giupy | i have a precompiled 2.6.25-2-686 and now i need its headers, but i can't find them, what do i need ? |
| 14:18.32 | giupy | i have sid |
| 14:18.41 | boggy | apt-cache search |
| 14:18.44 | boggy | u'll find them |
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| 14:18.56 | sosko | hi all |
| 14:19.04 | giupy | boggy: they are obsolete, there are only 2.6.26 headers |
| 14:19.26 | boggy | u did apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 14:19.30 | boggy | ? |
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| 14:19.48 | giupy | yes |
| 14:20.16 | boggy | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:20.24 | boggy | then search |
| 14:21.06 | heavenquake | using Sid, when I try to start mysqld, it fails with no error message other than "fail". How come? |
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| 14:21.40 | daftd | logs |
| 14:21.47 | dacs | howdy all |
| 14:21.53 | boggy | check the logs |
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| 14:31.49 | zzz | Hi! I' ve started a vnc server on debian linux, but when i connect to it, i just see a blank x desktop with a small gnome image in the background. How can i set it to see a real desktop, or at least i need an xterm. |
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| 14:32.46 | SPF | zzz: echo "wmaker &" >> .vnc/xstartup |
| 14:33.44 | SPF | you can also put a xterm & in there as well |
| 14:34.07 | themill | twm ftw! |
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| 14:37.40 | zzz | SPF: I' ve tried xterm &, but noting has changed. |
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| 14:38.10 | zzz | Well, i start vncserver manually as root, and i put the line into /root/.vnc/xstartup. Is it correct? |
| 14:38.15 | SPF | zzz: are you using ip:1 |
| 14:38.27 | SPF | I think so |
| 14:38.36 | SPF | I only use it as user, worked for me |
| 14:38.43 | zzz | SPF: last time i used :3, but now i restarted that vmware image. |
| 14:39.37 | themill | wonders why you'd want to run vnc as root |
| 14:40.14 | SPF | you need to restart the vnc server to apply the .vnc changes |
| 14:40.22 | abrotman | themill: same reason you'd run X as root .. or something |
| 14:40.36 | themill | of course! |
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| 14:40.57 | zzz | themill: not important, it' s just for test. |
| 14:41.09 | zzz | but you' re certainly right. |
| 14:41.37 | SPF | zzz: are you sure that you connect to the right vnc server? |
| 14:41.45 | dacs | ! mythTv |
| 14:41.45 | dpkg | it has been said that mythtv is software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting, given the right hardware, TV, movies, music, and more. Not in Debian due to <non-free> parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, see <bttv> and <ivtv>. http://www.mythtv.org/ #mythtv-users @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:42.17 | zzz | SPF: how can i be sure? |
| 14:42.39 | zzz | oh, from the logfiles, moment. |
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| 14:45.00 | idle-boy | hello, i wanna install debian 4 r5 as xen guest, where i can find the debian kernels for xen ? |
| 14:45.13 | xdr | idle-boy: google? |
| 14:45.22 | idle-boy | xdr, i did |
| 14:45.23 | boggy | google.com/linux |
| 14:45.30 | SPF | zzz: if you start the vncserver, it will tell you |
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| 14:46.21 | idle-boy | xdr, boggy, is it located in the CDs in a specfice dir ? |
| 14:46.35 | sosko | how do i list all packages installed on a system, so i get list of full package names, instead of fancy columnar listing? |
| 14:46.36 | stew | idle-boy: the kernels that have -xen- in the name, such as linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 |
| 14:46.47 | xdr | sosko: dpkg -l ? |
| 14:46.55 | boggy | apt-cache search |
| 14:46.56 | sosko | xdr, please read question again |
| 14:47.09 | SPF | zzz: http://pastebin.com/daa50532 |
| 14:47.10 | idle-boy | thanks stew |
| 14:47.16 | themill | !installed |
| 14:47.16 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 14:47.19 | SPF | zzz: you can see it set to :2 |
| 14:47.20 | xdr | sosko: sorry |
| 14:47.23 | epsmith | hey all. I want to move my home folder to a smb shared directory on my network. I'm currently using pam_mount to automap the drive but I don't know how to make it my home folder |
| 14:47.30 | sosko | themill, thanks |
| 14:47.35 | sosko | xdr, np |
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| 14:48.54 | stew | epsmith: you mean you don't know how to change what the system thinks is the location of your home directory? |
| 14:49.10 | epsmith | that would be correct stu |
| 14:49.19 | epsmith | oops stew |
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| 14:49.30 | stew | epsmith: use usermod |
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| 14:50.48 | epsmith | stew: ok know of any documentation that will help me with usermod |
| 14:50.58 | stew | epsmith: type "man usermod" |
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| 14:52.54 | zack23 | I deleted a large file in /tmp (Image magick temp file) - well I wanted to free up space so I moved the file to see why it was so big to another partition. I realized the file was going to take too long to move over to another partition so I canceled the move and then deleted the file. Yet, Debian stable did not show the free space till I rebooted the machine. I even ran 'sync' to no avail. Is there something I can do next time to " |
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| 14:54.48 | Kobaz | zack23: the file was probably still open |
| 14:54.52 | stew | zack23: get whatever process still had the file open to close it, possibly by killing the process. the free spece created by deleting a file isn't reclaimed until no process has the file open |
| 14:54.55 | Eulex | zack23, if a process is using a file, it won't be 'really' deleted until the process has closed it |
| 14:55.00 | Kobaz | zack23: you can delete open files, but they will not be freed untol the program is finished |
| 14:55.15 | Kobaz | zack23: you can use 'lsof' to see what files are open by what programs |
| 14:55.21 | zack23 | ahh okay - thanks guys...makes sense. I didn't check if there was something working on that file - duh! Okay, now I know...I can use lsof.. |
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| 14:55.33 | zack23 | Thank you guys |
| 14:55.54 | zack23 | (ImageMagick temp files)...sigh |
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| 14:56.21 | zack23 | also how can I see the version of a deb package? |
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| 14:56.33 | Renfie|d | What package do I need to install in order to get uuidgen? |
| 14:56.42 | stew | zack23: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 14:56.44 | PaperBear | hi all. this is a serious question, not intended to start a flame war. I've spent time with lots of distros recently, from ubuntu to debian to suse, to arch, and I've had irritations with all of them. can anyone tell me - is there a fast, stable debian-flavoured distribution that has stable 32 and 64 bit versions, for which the 64 bit version will run 32 bit libraries without a headache, both have a simple, easy way of implementing flash, |
| 14:56.44 | PaperBear | and both perform well on newer machines? |
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| 14:56.54 | stew | Renfie|d: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 14:57.04 | Kobaz | apt-file is sexy |
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| 14:57.28 | heavenquake | daftd boggy : the logs are empty :/ |
| 14:57.34 | Renfie|d | stew: He says he doesn't know. |
| 14:57.35 | stew | PaperBear: debian? |
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| 14:57.43 | stew | dpkg: tell Renfie|d about apt-file |
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| 14:58.42 | Renfie|d | stew: apt-file search uuidgen results in "I don't know" |
| 14:58.51 | Kobaz | didy ou do an apt-file update |
| 14:59.07 | Renfie|d | stew: Or do you mean I need to install it myself? |
| 14:59.26 | stew | Renfie|d: yes, you install it and run apt-file update ; apt-file search filename |
| 14:59.39 | stew | Renfie|d: or use the search tools on http://packages.debian.org |
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| 15:00.02 | Renfie|d | I guess I assumed that since I don't have it on my system, it wouldn't know what package it was in. |
| 15:00.37 | Renfie|d | stew: It says that it is a part of e2fsprogs, as I expected, which I have installed, but I don't have uuidgen. |
| 15:01.02 | Renfie|d | I'll just upgrade and see if that fixes it. |
| 15:01.27 | PaperBear | stew, should have added... which adopts early |
| 15:01.32 | Renfie|d | That didn't fix it. |
| 15:01.58 | stew | Renfie|d: what version of e2fsprogs do you have installed? |
| 15:01.59 | themill | Renfie|d: what's the output of dpkg -l e2fsprogs | tail -1 |
| 15:02.02 | stew | PaperBear: what does that mean? |
| 15:02.24 | Renfie|d | stew: 1.41.2-1 (Just installed) |
| 15:02.30 | themill | judd: versions e2fsprogs |
| 15:02.32 | judd | themill: e2fsprogs: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 (etch) 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 (etch-security) 1.41.2-1 (lenny) 1.41.3-1 (sid) |
| 15:02.37 | PaperBear | stew, well, it seems to take a long time for some packages to be available for the stable branch |
| 15:02.45 | Renfie|d | themill: ii e2fsprogs 1.41.2-1 ext2/ext3/ext4 file system utilities |
| 15:02.52 | themill | (wtf is with the version for etch) |
| 15:02.55 | stew | Renfie|d: so somehow, apt-file is looking at stable, but you are running lenny |
| 15:03.26 | themill | stew: uuidgen is in e2fsprogs in etch too |
| 15:03.46 | Renfie|d | Yea, I should be on lenny. |
| 15:03.50 | themill | ahh.. but not in lenny. |
| 15:03.53 | stew | themill: but not in lenny. his apt-file said it was in e2fsprogs but it was removed from e2fsprogs for lenny and put in a separate package |
| 15:03.55 | themill | Renfie|d: uuid-runtime: /usr/bin/uuidgen |
| 15:04.00 | Renfie|d | I try to stick with testing. |
| 15:04.05 | Renfie|d | Oh, thanks! |
| 15:04.07 | themill | stew: yeah, I just found that |
| 15:04.32 | stew | PaperBear: ask in ##linux |
| 15:05.08 | Renfie|d | Great that worked. Thanks! |
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| 15:07.41 | Gigantic | what can I use to defragment my fat drives? |
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| 15:10.05 | XTF | Hi. How do I properly cat or tail a file that contains some binary stuff that messes up the terminal? |
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| 15:10.55 | SlayerXP | xtf: you don't |
| 15:11.16 | XTF | xtf: Eh, why not? That's not handy. :( |
| 15:11.26 | abrotman | XTF: it's binary, what are you going to get out of it? |
| 15:11.48 | stew | XTF: you could pipe it through hexdump or a sed script which would remove non-printable characters |
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| 15:12.10 | XTF | It's not binary, it's text with some binary chars. |
| 15:12.24 | XTF | More specifically, MySQL queries. |
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| 15:14.38 | oscar_ | good afternoon everybody |
| 15:15.25 | oscar_ | i've installed debian lenny on my new asus eee 1000H but no way of get wifi board running |
| 15:15.41 | oscar_ | does anyone help me? |
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| 15:16.12 | oscar_ | i've read wiki.debian on eee but no valid suggestion... |
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| 15:16.18 | Masster | do you know chipset model on your wifi? |
| 15:16.37 | libervisco | Lenny wasn't released yet, right? |
| 15:16.48 | Masster | no |
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| 15:17.42 | oscar_ | Masster, i've read on wiki.debian that asus 901 and 1000 need a rt2860 module |
| 15:17.44 | jamon | Masster: check array.org, use a kernel from there |
| 15:17.59 | libervisco | In which package would this be? http://pecl.php.net/package/APC |
| 15:18.19 | oscar_ | ls pci returns RaLink Device 0781 |
| 15:18.47 | libervisco | I searched with apt-cache, but it resulted in apcupsd which I'm not sure is that |
| 15:18.59 | jamon | libervisco: php-apc perhaps? |
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| 15:19.48 | libervisco | jamon, nope, doesn't find it |
| 15:20.13 | jamon | ah, using etch i'd imagine then, use pecl to install |
| 15:20.15 | themill | judd: versions php-apc |
| 15:20.16 | judd | themill: php-apc: 3.0.19-1 (lenny) 3.0.19-1 (sid) |
| 15:20.21 | XTF | SlayerXP, abrotman, stew: I think less does the trick. |
| 15:21.31 | oscar_ | any suggestions for me? |
| 15:22.03 | jamon | oscar_: array.org, use one of the kernels from there |
| 15:22.30 | oscar_ | jamon....why a new kernel? |
| 15:22.45 | stew | XTF: "tr -cd '[:print:]' " would strip non-printable characters from a stream |
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| 15:23.36 | oscar_ | there are ubuntu kernels...no incompatibilities with lenny? |
| 15:23.44 | jamon | oscar_: you need the rt2869 wifi module |
| 15:24.15 | jamon | build your own kernel if you're comfortable with it |
| 15:24.37 | XTF | stew: I think less is easier to remember. |
| 15:24.45 | liable | oscar_: you have a 901? |
| 15:25.26 | oscar_ | i've a new 1000H |
| 15:25.29 | stew | oscar_: ask #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org |
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| 15:25.47 | oscar_ | and i've compiled and installed the rt2869 module |
| 15:26.09 | liable | oscar_: see the debian wiki for the ee, we have source and modules available for it |
| 15:26.14 | oscar_ | sorry,the 2860 |
| 15:26.25 | liable | oscar_: whats the actual problem? |
| 15:26.35 | oscar_ | thanks liable |
| 15:26.51 | oscar_ | iwlist scan gives no results |
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| 15:27.01 | oscar_ | the module is loaded |
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| 15:27.22 | liable | its a pretty crap driver, but it should show scan results. where did you get the source you built? |
| 15:27.32 | grul | iwlist scanning |
| 15:27.37 | ringo999 | folks, I'm going crazy, debian on macbook, mousecursor randomly jumps all over the screen resulting in big mess... |
| 15:27.44 | oscar_ | from eeeps debian repository |
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| 15:28.13 | oscar_ | eeepc,sossy :) |
| 15:28.18 | oscar_ | sorry :D |
| 15:28.42 | ringo999 | is it the touchpad that is to sensitive? or something else? |
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| 15:29.09 | liable | oscar_: does ap broadcast the ssid or is it hidden? |
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| 15:31.06 | oscar_ | liable it does |
| 15:31.43 | oscar_ | i think this is the main problem for which wpa_supplicant does not run too |
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| 15:32.58 | liable | oscar_: so it just shows no scan results at all? have you tried it elsewhere? |
| 15:33.14 | oscar_ | yes |
| 15:33.26 | oscar_ | liable yes with the same results |
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| 15:33.31 | amphi | oscar_: is the interface up? |
| 15:34.24 | amphi | oscar_: ie. did you try ifconfig wlan0 up and then iwlist wlan0 scan (or whatever the iface name is) ? |
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| 15:36.38 | hudu | What's the easiest way to add a gnome-theme or gnome-look? I've been away from debian for awhile, but I seem to recall there being an easier way than the instructions I'm looking at ( http://wiki.debian.org/HelpOnThemes?highlight=%28themes%29 ) |
| 15:37.27 | oscar_ | liable? |
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| 15:38.42 | liable | oscar_: i cant think of anything to suggest. other than checking dmesg for obvious errors, I don't know why it would do that. |
| 15:39.11 | amphi | hudu: untar a gtk theme into ~/.themes and use gtk-chtheme or gtk-theme-switch to select it |
| 15:39.22 | stew | oscar_: have you asked #debian-eeepc ? |
| 15:39.40 | hudu | amphi: thanks. I'll look into that. |
| 15:40.08 | amphi | hudu: I don't know if you need to do more than that for gnome, I don't run it |
| 15:40.44 | oscar_ | stew i can't find it |
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| 15:40.59 | liable | its on oftc server (irc.debian.org) |
| 15:41.11 | hudu | amphi: ah, yes ... I suppose I should be checking the gnome chat room. I never know whether a procedure is distro-specific or not. |
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| 15:41.38 | stew | oscar_: its on irc.debian.org |
| 15:41.53 | oscar_ | so i've to disconnect from here..? |
| 15:42.13 | liable | no, you can connect to two irc servers |
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| 15:47.38 | Bentley | if my xorg.conf has "Driver intel" for my video device, is that the proprietary driver or the open source one? |
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| 15:58.44 | SKOM | hi... i am searching for package python-hashlib, but there isn't any package like this in repository, platform: Debian :Lenny |
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| 16:06.27 | phillip | hi can somebody please check http://pastebin.com/m55360c0f I can't seem to vpn anywhere |
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| 16:06.51 | jamon | SKOM: should be included in python2.5-minimal e.g. /usr/lib/ppyton2.5/haslib.py |
| 16:07.06 | jamon | grr, typos |
| 16:07.10 | frank0 | hello, I am trying to get up my quickam webcam on linux, i have loaded the modules and it apperas correct in lsusb and dmesg, but the /dev/video* device is gone, any suggestions? |
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| 16:08.11 | berzerka | what simple program can i use to simply discard anything on standard input? |
| 16:08.15 | lxsameer | hi , how can i give permisssion to some user to write on every vfat disk and storage? |
| 16:08.45 | berzerka | lxsameer: you can for example give uid, gid options to the mount command. |
| 16:09.09 | jamon | berzerka: not sure exactly what you mean, can't just redirect stdout to > /dev/null? |
| 16:09.15 | lxsameer | berzerka: hmmmmmmm , can u give an example? |
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| 16:09.38 | berzerka | lxsameer: mount -o uid=500,gid=500 ... |
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| 16:10.16 | berzerka | lxsameer: see man mount, the section "mount options for fat". for write permission, you can also set a umask/dmask/fmask there. |
| 16:10.31 | lxsameer | berzerka: on this command the user with uid 500 can write to that media. am i right? |
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| 16:11.08 | berzerka | jamon: i need to give a script (which is called by cvs on commit), which "discards" stdin, else cvs transaction will fail with a broken pipe. |
| 16:11.22 | berzerka | jameswhite: i don't think i can use shell redirection there.. |
| 16:11.30 | berzerka | jameswhite: sorry. |
| 16:11.31 | berzerka | jamon: ^ |
| 16:12.01 | berzerka | i mean anything which processes stdin would do... |
| 16:12.13 | berzerka | like grep "xyz" 2> /dev/null |
| 16:12.30 | berzerka | but that doesn't seem very clean to me. |
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| 16:14.19 | jamon | i don't know enough about cvs to know what to suggest then |
| 16:14.34 | lxsameer | berzerka: what about a NTFS media? |
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| 16:16.07 | SKOM | jamon: thx |
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| 16:16.54 | mne | Hi, I'm trying to get the hostap driver working with my wireless card. However, I've the problem that the orinoco_cs driver is loaded all the time instead. So I added a blacklist for the orinoco modules in /etc/modprobe.d. I also added a mapping for my wireless card to the hostap driver in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts. However, the result is that the orinoco_cs driver doesn't get loaded, but the hostap_driver isn't loaded either. In the syslog it just says that th |
| 16:16.54 | mne | e card is inserted, but nothing happens from there on. Can you give me a hint ? |
| 16:18.21 | themill | !wayttd berzerka |
| 16:18.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, berzerka? |
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| 16:19.17 | berzerka | themill: cvs has a facility to notify of e.g. commits. there is a file CVSROOT/loginfo, which contains regexps paired with commands which are executed if something is commited in the respective directory. |
| 16:19.49 | berzerka | themill: all i want to do is trigger a command (wget in this case) which doesn't evaluate the stdin which cvs passes to the called process. |
| 16:19.52 | b3t0 | how can I remove first and second characters in a text file? using a command |
| 16:20.11 | berzerka | themill: so i want to prepend a command which simply discards stdin. |
| 16:20.18 | pickcoder | b3t0: vi <file> |
| 16:20.20 | pickcoder | :) |
| 16:20.35 | mne | b3t0, awk |
| 16:20.45 | themill | berzerka: won't wget just ignore the stdin anyway? |
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| 16:21.15 | berzerka | lxsameer: ntfs also provides the uid,gid and umask options. have you looked into the manpage of mount regarding this? |
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| 16:22.03 | berzerka | lxsameer: and yes, user with uid 500 and all users in group with gid 500 should be able to write, if the permissions are accordingly, or you override them with the umask setting. |
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| 16:22.27 | braunkraut | good day |
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| 16:22.45 | berzerka | themill: he won't even process it, that's why cvs blocks internally and fails with a broken pipe. |
| 16:22.51 | braunkraut | Is there any way to keep OpenSSH from generating error message regarding authentication failure? |
| 16:22.57 | Neverb | why fbset may not changing any framebuffer settings ? |
| 16:23.15 | berzerka | themill: grep "xxx" 2> /dev/null will do... i just thought there was some other unix command better "suited" for this.. |
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| 16:23.39 | Neverb | even runing it from root it wont do anything rather then showing information about framebuffer device |
| 16:23.50 | themill | berzerka: that doesn't sound right... wget shouldn't care if there is stdin. "cat - >/dev/null" is a better way of eating stdin. |
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| 16:24.29 | berzerka | themill: from the cvs info pages: Any script called via `loginfo' will be fed the log information on its standard input. Note that the filter program *must* read *all* of the log information from its standard input or CVS may fail with a broken pipe signal. |
| 16:24.30 | themill | berzerka: but that grep command won't eat stdin. |
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| 16:25.04 | themill | berzerka: ahh... vague memories now. |
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| 16:25.28 | berzerka | themill: cat -, of course. that's what i was actually looking for.. |
| 16:25.33 | berzerka | themill: thanks. |
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| 16:25.49 | themill | berzerka: no worries. that will save false positives with xx in the comments! |
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| 16:26.27 | AdrianLP | hey all. I have sound working on my system. I can use XMMS, and listen to music. With all apps using sound closed, I open Firefox to any youtube video, but there is no audio (the flash player is not muted). What can cause this? The Multimedia Media Selector is using an output device which works using its test. What might cause this behaviour? |
| 16:26.45 | berzerka | themill: hm not really, since i discard anything grep writes to stdout/err and also don't evaluate the return value.. |
| 16:27.06 | berzerka | themill: but cat is fine, thanks for the tip, and sorry for the noise/confusion :) |
| 16:27.36 | themill | berzerka: only if you redirect stdout too (which you don't in your example). But cat will work for you. Happy hunting! |
| 16:27.48 | berzerka | oh right, i didn't :) |
| 16:27.57 | berzerka | well, thanks :) |
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| 16:29.33 | amee2k | AdrianLP: try downloading the video (there are many online services you can use for this) and play it back with vlc or mplayer or something. if you still don't have sound, you're missing the codec |
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| 16:30.05 | amee2k | youtube was designed for windows lusers with all sorts of shady software installed |
| 16:30.10 | amphi | !tell AdrianLP -about youtube script |
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| 16:31.36 | amee2k | i don't know whether flash comes with its own codec subsystem or employs some other player/decoder |
| 16:31.57 | zmitya | hi all |
| 16:32.04 | amee2k | so it may actually work for say vlc but if flash uses mplayer codecs it won't work anyway |
| 16:32.09 | zmitya | guys, can sy please tell me what is "record size" and "file size" exactly in iozone ? |
| 16:34.48 | amee2k | . o O ( flash(tm): don't put on your computer what you wouldn't put in your ... :X ) |
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| 16:36.24 | AdrianLP | amphi, Wouldn't I need a browser to first search for the video anyway...? I'll look into youtube script anyway though. |
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| 16:36.36 | AdrianLP | amee2k, Hrm, looks like its a flash bug. I found a few google hits on it. |
| 16:37.52 | amee2k | well, you search the vid on youtube, then copy&paste the URL into your script/service form and it downloads you a video file |
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| 16:42.13 | AdrianLP | amee2k, hrm, that's kinda neat if I want to download it, and for some I would. Seems kinda inconvenient for others (now I need to use a browser AND this) :) |
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| 16:43.00 | amee2k | well, it was rather meant as a test to see whether it is a flash prob or not, ... not as a solution |
| 16:43.12 | AdrianLP | ok, thank you. |
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| 16:43.53 | dustybin | mozilla weave offer a service where they can store your links in the 'cloud', what uses their own server, is there any software what lets you store your links on your own server, and let firefox communicate with it, so all your links in different desktops are consistent? |
| 16:45.02 | AdrianLP | heh, Adobe's latest flash player (tar.gz) ask for the Mozilla install dir, and the exampel they give is /usr/lib/mozilla. That directory in fact exists, and contains the plugin directory, but when you give that path to the installer it complains with, "WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path." and prompts you again. |
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| 16:46.04 | themill | dustybin: foxmarks can do that |
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| 16:47.32 | dustybin | themill: aye interesting |
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| 16:49.40 | wm4 | when will 2.6.27 be in unstable? |
| 16:49.55 | wm4 | oh, and why does debian ride the dead horse that is 2.6.26 |
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| 16:50.27 | stew | wm4: debian is planning to release lenny with 2.6.26 |
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| 16:50.56 | stew | wm4: so its going to hold off on new kernels in unstable until lenny releases (/msg dpkg slushy) |
| 16:50.59 | rofl | stew: in june 09 yeah |
| 16:51.00 | rofl | :P |
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| 16:51.12 | stew | rofl: no way of knowing |
| 16:51.30 | themill | rofl: siyh |
| 16:51.33 | sylarr | what is with dpkg lately, it doesn't answer my msg? |
| 16:51.40 | wm4 | "slushy", I see |
| 16:51.42 | SlayerXP | !tell me about nodm |
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| 16:52.14 | sylarr | it doesn't even try to insult... is it down? |
| 16:52.31 | stew | dpkg: tell sylarr about test |
| 16:52.39 | stew | sylarr: did you get a message from it then? |
| 16:52.47 | sylarr | no |
| 16:52.51 | Eulex | !test |
| 16:52.51 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:53.00 | wm4 | well, when they release 2.6.26, I don't really see why they ignore some bugs, that make the kernel nearly unuseable for some people, but which would be very easy to fix, like #495271 |
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| 16:55.11 | wm4 | so, how long will the "slushy" period take? I know, nobody can tell, when it'd done, etc., but what are your guesses? |
| 16:55.16 | wm4 | some weeks, months, years? |
| 16:56.00 | n3kl | Is there any way to find out how much power a given machine is consuming? |
| 16:56.22 | stew | wm4: its impossible to know, especially now that there are several potential votes being discussed which could postpone the release indefinately |
| 16:56.57 | wm4 | hm, thanks |
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| 16:57.09 | Eulex | n3kl, multimeter? |
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| 16:57.14 | thinline | I have mysql-server installed and I don't want it to run on startup. Is there a more pragmatic way of removing it from startup rather than just removing files in etc/rc.X ? |
| 16:57.32 | pLk | rcconfig |
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| 16:58.01 | thinline | rcconfig? I don't have this what package is it part of? |
| 16:58.09 | pLk | rcconfig |
| 16:58.19 | pLk | :D |
| 16:58.23 | Eulex | :D |
| 16:58.30 | jelly | :D |
| 16:58.38 | thinline | apt-cache search rcconfig (nothing...) |
| 16:59.00 | JyZyXEL | whehre do you see the errors for "mail" command? |
| 16:59.17 | themill | dpkg: tell thinline about rcconf |
| 16:59.33 | petemc | JyZyXEL: your mta logs |
| 16:59.36 | pLk | i am sorry rcconf |
| 16:59.51 | JyZyXEL | petemc where are postfix logs? |
| 16:59.59 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.03 | petemc | im not sur,e i use exim |
| 17:00.30 | thinline | rcconf thanks.. |
| 17:01.43 | sylarr | would lenny run with old kernels like 2.6.12? |
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| 17:02.13 | subsume | I've got a bunch of smtp processes running on my server but I do the overwhelming majority of mailing on another server... can someone help me figure out why? I don't want to just kill them. |
| 17:02.51 | sylarr | is dpkg down, or is this only me? |
| 17:03.02 | stew | sylarr: its only you, do you mind if i PM you? |
| 17:03.09 | sylarr | no |
| 17:03.17 | sylarr | please pm me |
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| 17:04.17 | stew | sylarr: you appear to be having trouble with your irc client |
| 17:04.28 | sylarr | I see |
| 17:04.33 | sylarr | thanks stew |
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| 17:05.38 | jamon | subsume: mailq for starters, see if there's a local queue |
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| 17:06.11 | tCzern | hi, trying to find avant window navigator in the Debian Packages |
| 17:06.25 | tCzern | how, where? |
| 17:06.44 | tCzern | looking here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 17:07.25 | stew | judd: versions avant-window-navigator |
| 17:07.26 | judd | stew: avant-window-navigator: 0.2.6-7 (lenny) 0.2.6-7 (sid) |
| 17:07.29 | twobitsprite | tCzern: did you try aptitude search? |
| 17:07.47 | stew | tCzern: it appears to be in lenny but not in stable |
| 17:07.58 | JyZyXEL | how do you change the user information that you see with finger? |
| 17:08.11 | tCzern | any alternatives? |
| 17:08.22 | twobitsprite | tCzern: for stable? check backports |
| 17:08.22 | petemc | JyZyXEL: chfn |
| 17:08.38 | stew | twobitsprite: judd would have mentioned it if it were in backports |
| 17:08.39 | tCzern | looking again .. |
| 17:08.44 | twobitsprite | stew: ohh... |
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| 17:09.01 | twobitsprite | judd must be new, I haven't been on here in a while, but I don't remember ever seeing it |
| 17:09.02 | judd | twobitsprite: Error: "must" is not a valid command. |
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| 17:09.10 | twobitsprite | judd: shut up |
| 17:09.12 | judd | twobitsprite: Error: "shut" is not a valid command. |
| 17:09.16 | stew | twobitsprite: yes, its relatively new |
| 17:09.22 | stew | and its not going to be the easiest to backport since its been switched to debhelper 6 |
| 17:09.34 | twobitsprite | ahh |
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| 17:10.21 | stew | oh, and it depends on a new glib |
| 17:10.49 | twobitsprite | can't be compiled for an older one? |
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| 17:11.59 | stew | twobitsprite: i'm looking at build-depends, not depends, so it would probably require source code changes, it build-depends on a newer gtk too |
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| 17:13.15 | JyZyXEL | so my ISP blocks incoming traffic to port 25 |
| 17:13.35 | JyZyXEL | what should i do with incoming mail? |
| 17:13.44 | stew | JyZyXEL: host it on another provider |
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| 17:14.26 | JyZyXEL | stew what is this type of service called? |
| 17:14.36 | stew | JyZyXEL: internet? |
| 17:14.44 | stew | JyZyXEL: or do you mean "smtp"? |
| 17:15.03 | JyZyXEL | someone has to take my smtp and give it to me |
| 17:15.06 | tCzern | what is the repository url for backports? I put http://ftp.debian.org/backports/ |
| 17:15.15 | JyZyXEL | in different port |
| 17:15.20 | stew | tCzern: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:15.30 | petemc | JyZyXEL: google for domains works well |
| 17:15.35 | stew | tCzern: it doesn't have what you are looking for though (if you are still looking for avant) |
| 17:15.45 | tCzern | ok |
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| 17:15.52 | JyZyXEL | petemc i already have a domain and a DNS server for it |
| 17:16.00 | stew | JyZyXEL: you could have smtp hosted on some other provider, then fetch mail from them using some other protocol like pop or imap |
| 17:16.02 | JyZyXEL | i need to point my MX record somewhere else |
| 17:16.07 | stew | right |
| 17:16.10 | tCzern | well, it doesn't have to be avant, just looking for a dockbar |
| 17:16.18 | petemc | JyZyXEL: i mean the service google offer "google for domains" you point your mx at them and use pop or imap to collect your mail |
| 17:16.21 | JyZyXEL | stew yea this is what i also figured |
| 17:16.32 | twobitsprite | tCzern: backports.org |
| 17:16.33 | JyZyXEL | ohh |
| 17:16.49 | petemc | and its free |
| 17:16.55 | JyZyXEL | ! |
| 17:16.57 | JyZyXEL | yay |
| 17:17.33 | twobitsprite | petemc: does it inject ads in the mail? |
| 17:17.42 | petemc | no |
| 17:17.58 | petemc | you'll see ads if you use the gmail interface tho |
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| 17:18.31 | JyZyXEL | petemc do you have the link for that project? |
| 17:18.36 | JyZyXEL | i can't find it from google :D |
| 17:18.54 | petemc | google for "google for domains" |
| 17:18.54 | JyZyXEL | lol i can't find google from google |
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| 17:19.14 | petemc | its google apps |
| 17:19.15 | Rince | Good evening |
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| 17:19.44 | Rince | I have a problem with the lenny2-netinst-installer. Is there a special channel for the installer or a person I can ask about it? |
| 17:19.47 | JyZyXEL | petemc its $12 per year |
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| 17:20.09 | petemc | JyZyXEL: i have a half dozen domains with it and ive never paid a penny |
| 17:20.19 | JyZyXEL | o.O |
| 17:20.19 | petemc | JyZyXEL: look harder |
| 17:20.38 | JyZyXEL | im looking some business edition |
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| 17:20.50 | zxxd | hi |
| 17:20.52 | JyZyXEL | lol seriosly i can't find googles own stuff from their own search engine |
| 17:21.00 | petemc | try allowing yourself more than 30 seconds to search |
| 17:21.05 | zxxd | does anyone have an example of autofs auto mounting users homedirs ? |
| 17:21.15 | zxxd | using nfs |
| 17:21.23 | tCzern | what dockbar a you using here, if not Avant Window? |
| 17:21.47 | twobitsprite | can someone recommend a good howto for exim4? I just want to set up a basic mail server... or is there something simpler than exim? |
| 17:22.02 | petemc | twobitsprite: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 17:22.27 | JyZyXEL | petemc http://www.google.com/a/cpanel/domain/new |
| 17:22.29 | JyZyXEL | its that? |
| 17:22.38 | petemc | JyZyXEL: stop asking me questions abaout google please |
| 17:23.36 | JyZyXEL | someone has already registered my domain there |
| 17:23.43 | JyZyXEL | funny stuff |
| 17:23.50 | twobitsprite | petemc: awesome, thanks |
| 17:24.04 | petemc | np |
| 17:24.47 | tCzern | cannot find kiba |
| 17:24.47 | mac123 | hi i have debain etch i want to check the history of the bash commands given how to do i find it |
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| 17:25.04 | petemc | mac123: history |
| 17:25.34 | mac123 | thx petemc :) |
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| 17:26.00 | petemc | mac123: you can search it with ctl r |
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| 17:26.52 | jamiem | hello |
| 17:27.05 | tCzern | no dockbar, no cairo, no kiba, no avant, ... |
| 17:27.14 | tCzern | anyone? |
| 17:27.34 | petemc | gnome |
| 17:27.37 | mac123 | thx petemc :) |
| 17:27.38 | tCzern | yes |
| 17:27.44 | tCzern | gnome, that's why? |
| 17:27.53 | jamiem | I'm running Debian on my Mac Mini x86. root is ext3, home is xfs. There is an annoying thing where the disk drive 'ticks', seemingly only when it's idle-ish |
| 17:28.20 | petemc | tCzern: no, it was a question, i dont know what avant is |
| 17:28.28 | jamiem | I have watched top -s 1 to see if anything becomes active as it happens but it appears not. The tick is not regular and goes away when you do a big disk activity |
| 17:28.48 | tCzern | what are you using to style gnome a little up? |
| 17:28.56 | jamiem | is there a util to see what is accessing the disk? |
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| 17:29.01 | tCzern | a dockbar would be nice |
| 17:29.30 | jamiem | it doesn't sound like a 'click of death' and SMART (for what that's worth) shows the disk as okay |
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| 17:30.04 | jamiem | on reboot the click doesn't happen. I have tried SUM and it still happens so I don't think it's a daemon. |
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| 17:30.40 | jamiem | ext3 journals every five seconds, right? |
| 17:30.49 | stew | jamiem: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" and disk access will be logged to syslog (but note that its a performance killer, so you'll want to turn that off) |
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| 17:31.02 | stew | jamiem: yes, 5 seconds by default |
| 17:31.24 | JyZyXEL | stew is there a list of those /proc/sys option thingys? |
| 17:31.31 | jamiem | stew: cool, let me try that |
| 17:31.38 | JyZyXEL | i've always wondered how ppl know what to echo into them |
| 17:32.04 | stew | JyZyXEL: i don't know |
| 17:32.06 | petemc | the kernel documentation |
| 17:32.28 | jamiem | hmm |
| 17:32.29 | JyZyXEL | never needed to use them |
| 17:32.33 | JyZyXEL | do they have a name? |
| 17:32.35 | jamiem | kjournald perhaps |
| 17:32.51 | JyZyXEL | its like somekind of filesystem based kernel configuration thingy |
| 17:33.05 | stew | "the /proc filesystem" |
| 17:33.26 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 17:33.34 | tCzern | i, I am trying to install a dockbar into gnome, cannot find anything |
| 17:33.39 | tCzern | where is all this? |
| 17:33.41 | dustybin | is there a open-source equivalent to Microsofts 'Sharepoint' |
| 17:33.50 | tCzern | I don't have compiz installed. Is that why? |
| 17:33.53 | jamiem | stew: hmm. try unmounting /proc ? |
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| 17:34.06 | petemc | JyZyXEL: you'll always see kjournald, pdflush and syslog writing to the disk |
| 17:34.13 | petemc | jamiem: ^^^ |
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| 17:34.58 | jamiem | petemc: I see. kjournald does seem to coincide with the ticking |
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| 17:37.12 | cengo | selam millet |
| 17:37.24 | cengo | burada türk olan varmı? |
| 17:37.51 | stew | !tr |
| 17:37.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 17:39.09 | cengo | selam stew |
| 17:39.15 | cengo | sen türmün |
| 17:39.20 | cengo | türkmün |
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| 17:42.11 | jamiem | I don't understand why it doesn't tick all the time and straight after boot :-S |
| 17:42.26 | jamiem | and getting into a mac mini to change the disk is no mean feat |
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| 17:43.53 | jamiem | but the ticking is driving me mad |
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| 17:46.33 | jamiem | Please wait 41 minutes for test to complete. |
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| 17:46.58 | shivraj | do external usb hds work well with linux ? |
| 17:47.04 | shivraj | all you have to do is plug them in right ? |
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| 17:47.32 | shivraj | what file system should be on it ? |
| 17:47.33 | jamiem | shivraj: usually |
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| 17:47.50 | jamiem | shivraj: doesn't matter. USB keys tend to come with FAT[16|32] |
| 17:48.04 | shivraj | arghhh.... really dont want to use NTFS but guess I am forced |
| 17:48.08 | jamiem | shivraj: they tend to attach as a scsi-emu block device |
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| 17:48.38 | jamiem | my clicking stopped |
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| 17:48.41 | jamiem | must be the smart test |
| 17:48.49 | shivraj | yeah sdc, sdb, ... grr...... fat 32 !!! what a piece of crap. |
| 17:48.59 | jamiem | shivraj: mkfs it then |
| 17:49.01 | shivraj | can you format it as ext3 ? |
| 17:49.10 | jogla | If i go to http://search.debian.org, i get the string 'it works!' |
| 17:49.17 | shivraj | and can that be accessed in windows ? no right ? |
| 17:49.23 | jogla | Which i actually consider wrong, because i want to get the package search site |
| 17:49.29 | jamiem | shivraj: not natively |
| 17:49.34 | pickcoder | ext2/ext3 can not without the ext2 driver |
| 17:49.53 | pickcoder | fat32 is your best bet for portability |
| 17:50.05 | jogla | !why isnt vmware in debian? |
| 17:50.13 | jpinx | shivraj: there are windows programmes that will read your ext3 fs |
| 17:50.32 | shivraj | jpinx: like which one ? |
| 17:50.33 | jamiem | jogla: licensing |
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| 17:51.16 | pickcoder | shivraj: fs-driver.org |
| 17:51.33 | shivraj | pickcoder: ok thanks |
| 17:51.34 | Eulex | jogla, you want packages.debian.org |
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| 17:52.03 | hellues | hey |
| 17:52.10 | Selveste1 | Hey :) I have just installet Deb 4.0 on my laptop, and everything works, but not my wireless card - it a Intel Pro Wireless 2200, I have installet the moduel for my kernel :S |
| 17:52.28 | hellues | my system recognized wireless card.But now i open my machine and i see it didnt recognize |
| 17:52.30 | jogla | Eulex: and then click 'search' on that site, thats actually how i got that error ;) |
| 17:52.39 | shivraj | someone gave me a windows pc to fix, I thought the hd was damaged, so they bought an extra (refurb hd) but I guess only the mbr was damaged, it was giving a bluescreen, so now I have an extra hd, ;) |
| 17:52.44 | jogla | ahh, i see, the search seems to be an the same site |
| 17:52.53 | doti | hello. I need to export a new variable with the value /home/doti/Lego\ Mindstorm but only the path to /home/doti/Lego\ is recognized. What is the problem? |
| 17:52.54 | themill | Selveste1: you also need the firmware /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 17:53.11 | jpinx | shivraj: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm#Download |
| 17:53.38 | Eulex | jogla, ignore that broken link. scroll down. |
| 17:53.47 | jogla | Eulex: yes, i found it, thank you |
| 17:53.53 | shivraj | jpinx: thanks |
| 17:53.56 | themill | dpkg: tell jogla about vmware |
| 17:54.02 | Selveste1 | themill - thanx :P I will try that |
| 17:54.07 | jogla | however, seems that vmware ins't in debian |
| 17:54.15 | jogla | i just want to do samba with windows |
| 17:54.16 | hellues | huseyin uzmez e tepki gosteremeyen kitleden rahatsiziz. |
| 17:54.19 | jpinx | shivraj: np |
| 17:54.27 | hellues | sorry |
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| 17:55.19 | FunctorSalad | hi. I'd like to clone my current installation on another computer (with different hardware). any recommendations? |
| 17:55.24 | jpinx | jogla: there's other options in Debian -- like vbox |
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| 17:55.56 | FunctorSalad | it needn't be an exact clone, so I'm considering just copying over /etc and dumping the package list and reinstalling it on the other machine |
| 17:56.02 | jpinx | jogla: ask in #vbox |
| 17:56.09 | jogla | jpinx: i tried that and wastet already some time with it |
| 17:56.12 | jogla | jpinx: I did that |
| 17:56.20 | jogla | and i consultet their manual too |
| 17:56.28 | jpinx | jogla: what didn't work? |
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| 17:56.35 | jogla | their way to set up the bridged network prevents my computer to boot |
| 17:56.43 | Selveste1 | themill - BTW do I have to restart after firmware install ? |
| 17:56.49 | jogla | jpinx: Did you configure that network bridge device? |
| 17:57.07 | jpinx | jogla: that sounds very odd, I had no trouble at all on my old laptop |
| 17:57.20 | themill | Selveste1: no, "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200" should be sufficient. Check the output of dmesg for messages when you do that. |
| 17:57.42 | jogla | jpinx: Its more than odd, its annoiying |
| 17:57.49 | jpinx | jogla: I'd recommend that you persist and ask in #vbox |
| 17:58.01 | jogla | i'll try again, thank you |
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| 17:58.10 | jpinx | jogla: np |
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| 17:58.56 | Selveste1 | themill - Now it works - THANXXXXXXXXXX |
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| 17:59.06 | Mark17 | hello, is it possible to use a belkin bluetooth (USB) device so Debian can use it to connect to a mobile phone? |
| 17:59.08 | jpinx | goes for lunch |
| 17:59.09 | themill | Selveste1: no worries |
| 18:00.16 | jogla | there is no one in #vbox ;) |
| 18:00.17 | g0rAngA | I am unable to get pppoe to work correctly. the connection seems to go through ok, but then pppd doesn't modify resolv.conf or the routing table, even though its configured to do so. |
| 18:00.31 | jogla | JPT: do you have network manager installed? |
| 18:00.40 | jogla | ohh, sorry |
| 18:00.50 | jogla | i meant jpnix |
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| 18:01.30 | mhymn | g0rAngA: use plog to see what happens |
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| 18:03.29 | g0rAngA | mhymn: I've been doing so. no errors are reported, so I've got nothing to go on |
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| 18:04.54 | datacrusher | maybe |
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| 18:07.12 | mhymn | g0rAngA: "ifconfig ppp" should give you ip, ping google or whatever and so on |
| 18:07.37 | elcibernetico | hola |
| 18:08.05 | elcibernetico | estoy instalando un servidor en debian |
| 18:08.18 | elcibernetico | alguien que podria ayudarme |
| 18:08.21 | zamuro | !es |
| 18:08.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:08.23 | elcibernetico | opr favor |
| 18:08.38 | zamuro | !tell elcibernetico about es |
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| 18:13.29 | g0rAngA | mhymn: ifconfig reports the expected ip, as well as the ip of the other end of the link. pinging any address results in an instant 'Destination port unreachable" |
| 18:13.46 | martin3z | did anyone build kernel 2.4.36.9 on current debian lenny? |
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| 18:19.04 | b-04 | hi |
| 18:19.21 | b-04 | how is the sintaxis to mount ntfs particion for write with ntfs-3g? |
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| 18:20.29 | mhymn | g0rAngA: then try to add manual nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:20.39 | chiak | b-04: ntfs-3g <device|image_file> <mount_point> -o rw |
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| 18:21.03 | mhymn | g0rAngA: opendns --> 208.67.222.222 or even 4.2.2.4 |
| 18:21.35 | scales11 | hi all i installed xfce4 and now i dont want it. i tried aptitude remove xfce4 but there are still some things left....suggestions? |
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| 18:21.44 | b-04 | Failed to mount '/dev/sda7': operation no soported Mount is denied because the NTFS journal file is unclean. Choices are: |
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| 18:21.58 | b-04 | i execute: b-04:/home/erny# ntfs-3g /dev/sda7 /mnt/d/ -o rw |
| 18:22.10 | chiak | b-04: aptitude install ntfsprogs |
| 18:22.26 | chiak | b-04: ntfsfix /dev/sda7 |
| 18:22.39 | amikrop | So, for installing Debian through USB, I just need two files: boot.img.gz and netinst-40r5-i386.iso |
| 18:22.42 | amikrop | correct? |
| 18:22.46 | cahoot | let windows fix it? |
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| 18:22.50 | b-04 | thanks chiak :) |
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| 18:23.17 | ringo999 | what is a good prog to edit mp3s? need to cut / fade out a track... |
| 18:23.23 | ADREAL | hii |
| 18:23.40 | chiak | cahoot: windows will fix it on next reboot :) |
| 18:24.02 | chiak | after using ntfsfix |
| 18:24.34 | scales11 | anyone recommend a good way to completely remove xfce4? |
| 18:25.30 | chiak | scales11: which things left? |
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| 18:26.15 | scales11 | chiak: xfce window manager settings, interface settings, stuff i see in my /usr/share/applications folder |
| 18:26.19 | amikrop | In order to install Debian through a USB disk I need boot.img.gz and debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 18:26.20 | scales11 | i dunno how to remove it |
| 18:26.31 | mhymn | scales11: aptitude purge xfce4 ? |
| 18:27.10 | b-04 | chiak, b-04:/home/erny# ntfs-3g /dev/sda7 /mnt/d/ -o rw Volume is scheduled for check. Please boot into Windows TWICE, or use the 'force' mount option. |
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| 18:28.08 | scales11 | mhymn: didnt work ;( |
| 18:28.10 | chiak | b-04: boot into windows :) or use ntfs-3g /dev/sda7 /mnt/d/ -o rw,force |
| 18:28.11 | scales11 | :( |
| 18:28.22 | MacGyverNL | How do I netstat *all* info for a particular port (of which I know the port number) on my local system? |
| 18:28.51 | b-04 | chiak, so i need restart |
| 18:28.51 | mhymn | !tell scales11 -about didn't work |
| 18:28.52 | _darius12_ | is there any easy way to drop into an interactive shell on initramfs? |
| 18:28.55 | _darius12_ | I mean configure initramfs-tools to drop to a shell |
| 18:29.03 | b-04 | boot in windows, and go to linux new |
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| 18:29.23 | b-04 | so, i restart, go to windows, and restart and go to linux |
| 18:29.29 | _darius12_ | I have a bug where my network card hangs and I 'd like to explore what's going on |
| 18:29.52 | b-04 | and now write in ntfs from linux, its ok? |
| 18:30.00 | mhymn | MacGyverNL: netstat -h |
| 18:30.34 | b-04 | chiak, is good? |
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| 18:30.50 | scales11 | mhymn: haha ok well it removed something but didnt remove xfce-display-settings and other things in my /usr/share/applications folder so while it removed something, not those |
| 18:31.07 | chiak | b-04: probably yes :) |
| 18:31.09 | MacGyverNL | mhymn: I'd like to make sense of that, but I don't know exactly which options I'm really trying to combine / need to combine. |
| 18:31.15 | MacGyverNL | Otherwise I wouldn'tve asked. |
| 18:31.35 | b-04 | ok |
| 18:31.36 | b-04 | i try |
| 18:31.37 | b-04 | thanks :) |
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| 18:31.53 | mhymn | scales11: dpkg --get-selections | grep xfce <-- paste it somewhere |
| 18:32.47 | mhymn | MacGyverNL: i myself use "netstat -enaptu", you can even use "lsof -i -n" too |
| 18:32.54 | MacGyverNL | mhymn: Basically, I had a listening server running, which I killed, but I think a connection may have lingered. |
| 18:33.13 | beardy | MacGyverNL: What model do you have? |
| 18:33.27 | beardy | MacGyverNL: Of your knife. |
| 18:34.38 | scales11 | mhymn: http://pastebin.com/m5691fb72 |
| 18:35.13 | MacGyverNL | Beardy: Victorinox Handyman |
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| 18:35.27 | Mark17 | hello, is it possible to use a belkin bluetooth (USB) device so Debian can connect to a mobile phone (using bluetooth)? |
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| 18:35.55 | Mark17 | it works on Windows (but I dont want to use Windows, besides that i cannot use it) |
| 18:36.01 | MacGyverNL | mhymn: I'll check to see if those list enough info for me to locate the problem. Thanks. |
| 18:36.20 | mhymn | scales11: aptitude purge xfce4-panel xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfce4-utils |
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| 18:36.30 | varlon | hi, who can tell me if exists some like gnome-do, but not on .NET? |
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| 18:40.01 | shadfc | Is it possible to specify a group that has a space in it in /etc/security/access.conf? Integrating a box into a windows domain and i want to restrict ssh logins to only those in Domain Admins group |
| 18:40.02 | beardy | MacGyverNL: Nice. Victorinox Standard (like Spartan, but without keyring..ring, seems like Standard isn't sold anymore). |
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| 18:40.38 | scales11 | mhymn: had to do it to a few more packages but got the job done. thanks for your help |
| 18:41.02 | jogla | where do i find the original version of /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:42.50 | mhymn | jogla: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples <-- might help you |
| 18:43.14 | beardy | jogla: http://pastebin.com/d45529e8a the only things that are in it by default |
| 18:44.49 | jogla | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 18:44.49 | jogla | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 18:45.02 | mhymn | varlon: rephrase it, or ask #gnome or google or ... |
| 18:45.15 | jogla | i did not add them, where are they from? |
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| 18:45.35 | varlon | :) |
| 18:45.37 | varlon | thanks ) |
| 18:45.50 | beardy | jogla: The installer did. The file isn't in any package either, that I know. |
| 18:46.01 | hudu | Is there a CLI to get info on my motherboard ... things like make, model, etc? |
| 18:46.12 | cahoot | dmidecode |
| 18:46.34 | zinx | hudu: dmidecode, but a lot of motherboard manufacturers don't bother to fill that information out correctly (or at all) |
| 18:46.46 | hudu | zinx: thanks |
| 18:46.53 | mhymn | !tell hudu about what's my hardware |
| 18:47.13 | hudu | mhymn: thanks |
| 18:47.24 | mhymn | ;) |
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| 18:48.41 | bartel | hi all, i'm on etch and really need gcc4.0 |
| 18:48.49 | bartel | anyone know an alternative to compiling from scratch? |
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| 18:49.15 | beardy | jogla: What are you trying to do, or what is your problem? |
| 18:49.20 | Eulex | bartel, why do you need gcc 4.0? |
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| 18:50.02 | josinalvo | hi there ! I am afraid to run a "dpkg-reconfigure postfix", but I cant find a file it has changed. Where can I read the script it runs ? |
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| 18:50.58 | vassler | dpkg: reconfigure X |
| 18:50.58 | dpkg | from memory, reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>".. From etch (Debian 4.0) onwards it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:51.08 | jogla | beardy: I try to set up a bridget network for virtualbox |
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| 18:51.15 | bartel | Eulex: i need to build a kernel module on amazon's ec2 kernel |
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| 18:51.28 | jogla | i'm back in 1 miunet (or 10) to see, if my current setting still boots |
| 18:51.32 | bartel | its a debian etch xen kernel 2.6.16-xenU |
| 18:51.41 | beardy | jogla: Don't reboot. |
| 18:51.42 | bartel | s/kernel/os/ |
| 18:52.07 | beardy | jogla: '/etc/init.d/networking restart' if you're testing network configurations |
| 18:53.17 | Eulex | bartel, and the kernel is built with gcc 4.0? you can't find any newer kernel that would fit? or use an official etch one? |
| 18:53.48 | hudu | How do I get a program to automatically start when I start my computer? ... i.e. I installed conky, configured it but I only know how to start it in a terminal. |
| 18:54.51 | bartel | Eulex: nah, i have to use the amazon provided xen one |
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| 18:55.11 | bartel | Eulex: i wish |
| 18:55.22 | abrotman | !tell hudu about run at startup |
| 18:55.32 | josinalvo | hudu: you dont want it to start with your computer, you want it to start with your window manager (do you use GNOME ?) |
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| 18:55.55 | hudu | josinalvo: yes, I use GNOME |
| 18:56.09 | Eulex | bartel, recompile it with the etch gcc? |
| 18:56.13 | ringo999 | what prog to use to convert wav to mp3? |
| 18:56.25 | abrotman | !tell ringo999 about lame |
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| 18:56.45 | beardy | jogla: Are you following the things on http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox ? |
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| 18:58.35 | jogla | beardy: Last time i did it, /etc/init.d/networking restart did work, and rebooting freezed the computer |
| 18:58.44 | jogla | i tried it 4 times, with or without cable attached |
| 18:58.49 | jogla | now it works |
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| 18:59.14 | bartel | Eulex: i would if i could find their custom patches |
| 18:59.21 | bartel | and a .config |
| 19:00.13 | Eulex | bartel, if you can access the binaries, you can download or at least request the source code. otherwise they're committing a gpl violation. |
| 19:00.22 | jogla | beardy: i did follow the steps in the manuel, not those ones in the wiki |
| 19:01.00 | beardy | jogla: Ok. |
| 19:01.31 | beardy | jogla: No, it didn't freeze it, you didn't wait long enough for the interface configuring to time out. |
| 19:01.52 | bartel | Eulex: good point |
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| 19:02.04 | ilaiho | jogla: you should set up the eth0 with all addresses 0.0.0.0 |
| 19:02.09 | jogla | beardy: beardy i got a black screen with nice green squares |
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| 19:02.17 | beardy | jogla: Oh. |
| 19:02.38 | ilaiho | it's beacuse of network-manager tries to set up unconfigured interfaces automatically |
| 19:02.42 | jogla | i don't seem to have eth0, it seems to be used for pcmcia |
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| 19:03.03 | jogla | ilaiho: I just removed the network manager |
| 19:03.11 | ilaiho | hmm |
| 19:03.13 | ilaiho | strange |
| 19:03.20 | jogla | (after the freeze) |
| 19:03.23 | Eulex | bartel, I imagine rebuilding a kernel would be easier than building an old version of gcc, right? oh, hmm, but perhaps you could find gcc 4.0 at http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 19:03.28 | ilaiho | are you sure that network manager is completely unloaded |
| 19:03.38 | jogla | ilaiho: It is now |
| 19:03.43 | jogla | removed + rebootet |
| 19:03.47 | jogla | *rebooted |
| 19:03.53 | ilaiho | okay |
| 19:03.54 | jogla | ilaiho: But it did actually boot this time |
| 19:04.01 | jogla | do i still need 0.0.0.0? |
| 19:04.07 | ilaiho | jogla: Try it. |
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| 19:04.20 | jogla | but what does it do? |
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| 19:04.38 | ilaiho | It says that eth0 is disabled, and system souldn't use it |
| 19:04.52 | ilaiho | shouldn't |
| 19:05.10 | jogla | Hm |
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| 19:05.32 | jogla | i try it, if it freezes again |
| 19:05.42 | ilaiho | does it work now? |
| 19:06.01 | jogla | at the moment, i just have the original intefaces file loaded without network manager |
| 19:06.06 | jogla | that does work |
| 19:06.19 | jogla | is it necessary that eth0 is commented out like in the wiki? |
| 19:06.23 | jogla | http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 19:06.44 | ilaiho | jogla: There is error in the wiki. |
| 19:06.45 | OpenTokix | jogla: yes, since eth0 is part of the bridge |
| 19:06.45 | jogla | is br0 both interfaces now? |
| 19:06.49 | jogla | Ahh |
| 19:06.55 | bReakMyFaLL | configure: error: Unable to find your MySQL inc dir, specify --enable-incdir. |
| 19:06.59 | bReakMyFaLL | :s |
| 19:07.04 | ilaiho | eth0 should not be configured |
| 19:07.47 | jogla | restart did work |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | bReakMyFaLL: mysql-dev packages |
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| 19:08.25 | bartel | Eulex: yea i think you're right. and thanks for the thought on the kernel patch. I found the entire amazon source tree and am rebuilding it now. Thanks! |
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| 19:09.28 | bReakMyFaLL | E: Couldn't find package mysql-dev |
| 19:09.41 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 19:09.42 | bReakMyFaLL | couldn't find abrotman |
| 19:09.51 | abrotman | bReakMyFaLL: which version of debian? |
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| 19:10.13 | Eulex | abrotman, no current version of debian has any mysql-dev package. |
| 19:10.17 | ilaiho | jogla: Could you upload your interfaces file to a pastebin? |
| 19:10.23 | Eulex | bReakMyFaLL, apt-cache search mysql dev --names-only |
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| 19:10.28 | bReakMyFaLL | 4.0 etch |
| 19:10.31 | ilaiho | I can check if it is good |
| 19:10.34 | abrotman | Eulex: i was getitng there |
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| 19:11.09 | bReakMyFaLL | where can i get mysql-dev |
| 19:11.15 | dury | what's the channel for artistX users |
| 19:11.22 | twobitsprite | judd: versions mysql-dev |
| 19:11.23 | judd | twobitsprite: mysql-dev: |
| 19:11.23 | abrotman | bReakMyFaLL: apt-caceh search -- mysql -dev |
| 19:11.25 | jogla | ilaiho: one second, maybe it worked this time |
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| 19:12.23 | shivraj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.25 | Eulex | abrotman, hmm, what does -- do? |
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| 19:12.35 | shivraj | any estimates ? its going to be 2009 soon |
| 19:13.03 | bReakMyFaLL | abrotman: no luck |
| 19:13.09 | bReakMyFaLL | :s |
| 19:13.33 | ilaiho | shivraj: Maybe in a couple of months |
| 19:14.02 | jogla | ilaiho: http://rafb.net/p/FjpK3k68.html |
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| 19:14.36 | jogla | i configured virtual box with host interface vbox0 and it says 'VBox status code: -3100 (VERR_HOSTIF_INIT_FAILED).' |
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| 19:15.50 | ilaiho | jogla: Files appear to be good. |
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| 19:16.47 | mhymn | bReakMyFaLL: spelling mistake? apt-cache ... |
| 19:16.49 | oompa_loompa | is anyone here using vpnc? |
| 19:17.00 | jogla | ilaiho: but does not work ;) |
| 19:17.09 | jelly-home | shivraj: look at the graph, compare the current state to the laste release, make an estimate yourself /msg dpkg rc bugs |
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| 19:17.22 | bReakMyFaLL | nope mhymn |
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| 19:17.45 | jogla | i reboot again... |
| 19:17.50 | oompa_loompa | mine works for a while but then it suddenly stops working, and I cant get it to connect anymore, and the only way to reconnect is rebooting the machine, any advice? |
| 19:18.39 | ilaiho | jogla: maybe you'd like to look at this theard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=464199 |
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| 19:20.09 | BarthezZ | I'm trying to make some small modifications to a package (amarok) I've downloaded the source trough apt-get source debian... But what is the best practice to compile/install it again using the package manager? (so that an possible update just get installed) |
| 19:20.32 | BarthezZ | Can't really find any install notes or someting inside the package... mostly just tips, but not an actual install/ .deb create help |
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| 19:22.29 | Eulex | BarthezZ, use debuild |
| 19:22.46 | bReakMyFaLL | sorry i got dc |
| 19:22.48 | bReakMyFaLL | so |
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| 19:23.17 | jogla | ilaiho: Thank oyou |
| 19:23.19 | jogla | *you |
| 19:23.38 | ilaiho | nope |
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| 19:24.09 | genonical | hi, could someone help me out? |
| 19:24.15 | bReakMyFaLL | so where can i find mysql-dev for debian etch |
| 19:24.22 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 19:24.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:24.28 | BarthezZ | Eulex just make my changes to the source, run the debuild and I would be done? |
| 19:25.11 | Eulex | BarthezZ, see the man page for command line options. but yeah. |
| 19:25.40 | BarthezZ | ok, then that's exactly what I'm looking for :) I'll get on it, thanks |
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| 19:26.22 | bugtor | what is wrong when i can reach my other box on the network, but not the internet |
| 19:26.26 | BarthezZ | bReakMyFaLL you could check http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages , but I actually haven't seen any mysql dev packages |
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| 19:26.40 | bugtor | on the other box, debian as well, i can get to the internet |
| 19:26.50 | bReakMyFaLL | :( |
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| 19:27.37 | Deepa|Away | Nothing happens when I try to start pure-ftpd-mysql through /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql start |
| 19:27.39 | BarthezZ | there's an libmysqlclient15-dev bReakMyFaLL |
| 19:27.42 | Deepa|Away | and the server isn't starting at all |
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| 19:28.00 | bReakMyFaLL | BarthezZ: does that work ? |
| 19:28.07 | bReakMyFaLL | i am tryin to compile vpopmail |
| 19:28.10 | pickcoder | Deepa|Away: is there a file in /etc/default/ for it? some daemons are configured not to start by default |
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| 19:28.15 | BarthezZ | Deepa|Away try starting pure-ftpd manually (under an unpriviliged user) and set a debug/verbose flag |
| 19:28.26 | Mark17 | it works on Windows (but I dont want to use Windows, i prefer Debian) |
| 19:28.38 | Deepa|Away | There's /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common |
| 19:28.53 | BarthezZ | bReakMyFaLL I don't really know... but just try :p Installing an extra packages doesn't break your system |
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| 19:29.02 | pickcoder | see if there's an ENALBED flag or something in there that's marked false/no |
| 19:29.06 | pickcoder | ENABLED even |
| 19:29.40 | bReakMyFaLL | :> |
| 19:29.43 | bReakMyFaLL | ok let me c |
| 19:29.44 | jogla | well, doesn't work |
| 19:29.59 | jogla | the people solved it with setting network to 'NAT' |
| 19:30.00 | kamathln | how secure is debtorrent? |
| 19:30.19 | jelly-home | jogla: that's not solving, that's giving up |
| 19:30.26 | jogla | jelly-home: right |
| 19:30.28 | BarthezZ | bReakMyFaLL I've checked, and that's about the only mysql*dev package I could find |
| 19:30.34 | kamathln | i havent used bittorrent before.. is it any use witching to bittorrent? |
| 19:30.44 | bReakMyFaLL | :s |
| 19:30.49 | kamathln | s/witching/switching |
| 19:30.54 | jogla | jelly-home: But its really annoiying |
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| 19:31.13 | jogla | i feel like being on gentoo |
| 19:31.17 | jelly-home | jogla: not being able to read the manual, and configure the network bridging properly? |
| 19:31.18 | BarthezZ | bReakMyFaLL try checking what exact file the compile process wants and do a file search in the packages (also possible on packages.debian.org) |
| 19:31.49 | bReakMyFaLL | ok will do BarthezZ |
| 19:31.55 | jelly-home | jogla: I wouldn't call it annoying; it can be learned in an hour or less |
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| 19:32.11 | jogla | jelly-home: well, i did read the manual |
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| 19:32.42 | bReakMyFaLL | thanks BarthezZ |
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| 19:32.45 | bReakMyFaLL | that worked |
| 19:32.46 | ilaiho | jelly-home: The manual on the wiki is *broken* |
| 19:32.49 | chiak | kamathln: http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent |
| 19:32.52 | BarthezZ | no problem m8 :) |
| 19:32.54 | bReakMyFaLL | thanks every1 |
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| 19:33.03 | bReakMyFaLL | guess i'll be back again :_) |
| 19:33.04 | xnor | Hi! I was getting the "ACPI: Unable to load the system description tables" when i tried to install Lenny. I was able to install evrything using the nolapic boot parameter. But when the system restarted i get the same error even when i use nolapic :/ Help! |
| 19:33.12 | jogla | jelly-home: and the manual of virtualbox itself too |
| 19:33.24 | kamathln | chiak: thx |
| 19:33.38 | jelly-home | jogla: that's the manual I was referring to; vbox user manual |
| 19:34.06 | chiak | kamathln: you're welcome |
| 19:34.24 | jogla | jelly-home: thats what i read |
| 19:34.44 | jogla | jelly-home: and by the way, it can be learned in two minutes, if its properly documented |
| 19:34.47 | jelly-home | jogla: so anyway; you have created a bridge with your physical device, say, eth0, and one or more tun/tap devices, vbox0 (,vbox1 ...), and it doesn't work? |
| 19:34.57 | jogla | exacly |
| 19:35.15 | jogla | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/FjpK3k68.html |
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| 19:36.22 | jelly-home | jogla: looks reasonable, including the tun/tap device ownership |
| 19:36.45 | jogla | jelly-home: But does not work |
| 19:36.53 | jelly-home | jogla: which version of vbox? Older than 2.0 had issues with tun/tap for me |
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| 19:37.02 | buggtor | what is wrong with my eth0 configuration if i can reach the other debian pc on the network, but not the internet |
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| 19:37.11 | jelly-home | jogla: it only worked first time after reboot |
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| 19:37.29 | chiak | buggtor: gateway? |
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| 19:37.39 | buggtor | it is set to my router ip |
| 19:38.00 | chiak | dns too? |
| 19:38.03 | mhymn | genonical: you don't want to ask? |
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| 19:38.21 | jogla | jelly-home: i already tried to reboot |
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| 19:38.32 | buggtor | which option is that in the interfaces file chiak |
| 19:38.36 | jogla | Its version 1.6.6. |
| 19:38.53 | chiak | dns is in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:39.32 | buggtor | it wasn't, just set it, do i need to restart networking? |
| 19:39.45 | chiak | i think, not |
| 19:40.12 | buggtor | ok, wasn't working without reboot |
| 19:40.19 | buggtor | doesn't work after reboot either |
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| 19:41.01 | jelly-home | jogla: I have no idea. The only difference I see is that my crw-rw---- 1 root vboxusers 10, 200 2008-10-20 19:57 /dev/net/tun (and user jelly is a member of the group) |
| 19:41.03 | buggtor | any other things to check chiak? |
| 19:41.15 | chiak | still not working? |
| 19:41.18 | buggtor | nope |
| 19:41.22 | buggtor | unfortunately |
| 19:41.42 | chiak | ping works? (with ip adress) |
| 19:41.48 | jogla | jelly-home: thats actually what i tried too |
| 19:41.50 | buggtor | no, really weird |
| 19:41.54 | buggtor | only local ips |
| 19:42.32 | chiak | try traceroute and ip |
| 19:42.39 | buggtor | so 10.0.0.151 and 10.0.0.153 works, my other two local pc's, but any public ip doesn't |
| 19:42.41 | buggtor | ok |
| 19:43.11 | jelly-home | jogla: well, you can try a newer vbox (either the nonfree build or upstream source) |
| 19:43.13 | buggtor | traceroute is not installed xD |
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| 19:43.50 | chiak | aptitude install traceroute :) |
| 19:43.56 | jogla | unfortunatly i have to go now, im already 15 minutes late and not the way yet |
| 19:43.59 | jogla | jelly-home: thank you |
| 19:44.07 | jogla | ilaiho: thank you too |
| 19:44.37 | buggtor | aptitude needs some internet love, which is hasn't got |
| 19:44.47 | chiak | ohh sorry |
| 19:44.54 | buggtor | doesnt matter :P |
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| 19:46.15 | chiak | from other pc's, is internet accesible? |
| 19:46.49 | buggtor | yes, i'm able to download high speed, and run irc, etc. |
| 19:48.34 | pickcoder | buggtor: what does your route say |
| 19:48.49 | buggtor | not able to run route, as it is not on te pc |
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| 19:49.13 | chiak | buggtor: and ip route show ? |
| 19:49.30 | buggtor | how can i see? |
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| 19:50.00 | buggtor | what command do i need to run? |
| 19:50.06 | chiak | ip route show |
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| 19:50.23 | buggtor | -bas: ip: command not found |
| 19:50.47 | buggtor | -bash* |
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| 19:51.03 | chiak | and /sbin/route |
| 19:51.07 | chiak | ? |
| 19:51.19 | Guerin | be root |
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| 19:51.41 | buggtor | destination 10.0.0.0, gateway *, genmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:51.42 | buggtor | and |
| 19:51.59 | buggtor | destination default, gateway 10.0.0.138, genmask 0.0.0.0, flags, UG |
| 19:52.01 | jpinx | I have a ext3 file system on a partition on a 2nd HDD and it mounts manually ok, but I can't get it to mount with mount -a or at boot time with an entry in fstab. Anyone able to point me in the right direction? |
| 19:52.03 | abrotman | hey .. that's my network! |
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| 19:52.19 | buggtor | both have interface eth0 |
| 19:52.26 | buggtor | and first one has flags: U |
| 19:52.27 | bolt | things need to stop exploding in spaceship bridges when they get hit |
| 19:52.47 | chiak | buggtor: 10.0.0.138 is router? |
| 19:52.51 | buggtor | yes |
| 19:52.59 | chiak | seems to be ok |
| 19:53.08 | buggtor | yes, that's what i thought as well |
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| 19:53.13 | buggtor | it is really weird |
| 19:53.18 | pickcoder | buggtor: if you run "route" it will show the routing table |
| 19:53.33 | pickcoder | buggtor: you should see a default gateway listed |
| 19:53.36 | buggtor | i've done, results are a little bit above this line |
| 19:53.36 | pickcoder | if not you need to add one |
| 19:54.02 | pickcoder | so your NAT router is @ 10.0.0.138? |
| 19:54.09 | Danic | For securing Linux in /etc/passwd: Should I give the users mail, lp, uucp, news, etc. the /bin/false instead of /bin/sh? |
| 19:54.11 | buggtor | yes |
| 19:54.40 | pickcoder | and it is configured to do to/from 10.0.0.0/24 |
| 19:55.13 | abrotman | !harden |
| 19:55.13 | dpkg | somebody said harden was D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 19:55.14 | buggtor | is that correct? what should the 10.0.0.0 be |
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| 19:55.22 | pickcoder | you tell me |
| 19:55.27 | pickcoder | is that your LAN? |
| 19:55.40 | buggtor | it is a non-existent address on my LAN |
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| 19:55.48 | buggtor | 10.0.0.150 - 10.0.0.200 is the range |
| 19:55.51 | pickcoder | that was a CIDR notation |
| 19:55.54 | Danic | thx |
| 19:56.50 | zinx | 150 - 200 doesn't map directly to anything |
| 19:57.22 | buggtor | zinx: what are you pointing to? it is the range of my local network |
| 19:57.24 | pickcoder | buggtor: your NAT router is configured to accept translations for 10.0.0.* and forward back to 10.0.0.* |
| 19:58.07 | buggtor | i don't think the problem is in my router, as two other pc's on my network, also running debian, are working excellent |
| 19:58.19 | pickcoder | and they are in the 10.0.0.0 network? |
| 19:58.58 | buggtor | they have these ip's: 10.0.0.151 and 10.0.0.153, i want to give this one the ip 10.0.0.154 |
| 19:59.51 | pickcoder | buggtor: make it so |
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| 19:59.57 | buggtor | ifconfig has the correct address and netmask (10.0.0.154 and 255.255.255.0), don't know if broadcast is important, it is set to 10.0.0.255 |
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| 20:00.09 | pickcoder | broadcast is always on .255 |
| 20:00.12 | buggtor | ok |
| 20:00.16 | pickcoder | (well.. normally) |
| 20:00.16 | buggtor | so that's ok as well |
| 20:00.17 | lancelot | hallo everybody |
| 20:00.40 | pickcoder | you should be able to ping 10.0.0.138 |
| 20:00.44 | pickcoder | if you can't check your nic and cable |
| 20:00.46 | buggtor | so the problem isn't in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 20:00.58 | lancelot | i've a strange problem...i'm trying to connect my new laptop to the wifi from which i'm writing (with the old laptop) |
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| 20:01.14 | buggtor | i can ping 10.0.0.151 (the pc), but no the router |
| 20:01.17 | buggtor | why's that? |
| 20:01.23 | lancelot | both laptops have the same wpa_supplicant configuration but the new one does not connect...any suggestions? |
| 20:01.24 | pickcoder | icmp pings may be dropped |
| 20:01.40 | buggtor | i can ping the router from the other pc's |
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| 20:01.45 | pickcoder | if the router has a config page trying to grab the home page with wget |
| 20:02.05 | pickcoder | buggtor: does iptables --list show the default policy ACCEPT? |
| 20:02.10 | buggtor | it has a homepage |
| 20:02.24 | pickcoder | input/output/etc |
| 20:02.25 | buggtor | wget is not installed |
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| 20:03.16 | pickcoder | check iptables then |
| 20:03.16 | buggtor | default policy is accept |
| 20:03.29 | n3kl | lancelot: do you have the drives installed properly |
| 20:04.00 | pickcoder | buggtor: ifdown <device>; ifup <device> |
| 20:04.18 | lancelot | n3kl i guess yes |
| 20:04.40 | lancelot | ehm...the module was not loaded :D |
| 20:04.44 | buggtor | i've tried that too often already, still doesn't work |
| 20:04.49 | lancelot | lol |
| 20:05.04 | lancelot | how to make a module automatically loaded ad boot? |
| 20:05.41 | pickcoder | buggtor: if you can ping the other PCs then your TCP setup should be OK |
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| 20:05.55 | buggtor | yes, is there any other setup i should check? |
| 20:06.08 | pickcoder | are you using MAC access lists in the router? |
| 20:06.16 | Rideh_ | Does boot partition have to be logical? |
| 20:06.16 | buggtor | nope |
| 20:06.31 | pickcoder | are you running DHCP on the router? |
| 20:06.34 | buggtor | yes |
| 20:06.38 | pickcoder | try auto config |
| 20:06.44 | pickcoder | look at your route info |
| 20:06.49 | pickcoder | see whats different |
| 20:07.19 | Rideh_ | Does my boot partition have to be logical or can it be extended? |
| 20:07.28 | buggtor | it does DHCPDISCOVER on the wrong netmask |
| 20:07.31 | buggtor | 255.255.255.255 |
| 20:07.36 | buggtor | instead of 255.255.255.0 |
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| 20:08.27 | pickcoder | your discover route is b0rked |
| 20:08.52 | chiak | no DHCPDISCOVER does on 255.255.255.255 |
| 20:09.04 | lancelot | how to make a module automatically loaded ad boot? |
| 20:09.06 | chiak | computer by DHCPDISCOVER has no subnet mask |
| 20:09.12 | buggtor | ok |
| 20:09.31 | buggtor | is there anything else that may help me, chiak and pickcoder? |
| 20:09.36 | pickcoder | do you see a network route for169.254.0.0 |
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| 20:10.01 | buggtor | there is no routes at all, as dhcp doesn't retrieve any address |
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| 20:10.38 | chiak | any error from dhcp client? |
| 20:10.53 | buggtor | which log file do i need to check for that? |
| 20:10.58 | buggtor | there wasn't any on screen |
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| 20:11.10 | kenjy | hi guys, where are stored the postgresql databases in debian? |
| 20:11.21 | reconn | hi |
| 20:11.21 | abrotman | /var/lib/postgresql/ |
| 20:11.28 | buggtor | it said, after all the DHCPDISCOVER's on 255.255.255.255, that there were not DHCPOFFERS |
| 20:11.38 | reconn | can I connect more than 2 displays to my ubuntu pc? |
| 20:12.03 | chiak | it can't find any DHCP server |
| 20:12.10 | OpenTokix | reconn: Can't see how this is relevant in the debian irc-channel. |
| 20:12.14 | reconn | Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select @1280x1024 +2960+0, DFP-0: nvidia-auto-select @1280x800 +0+0, DFP-1: NULL' (Mode 4240x1024, id: 50) on X screen 0. |
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| 20:12.30 | buggtor | ok, the router is on ip 10.0.0.138, which it can't reach |
| 20:12.55 | buggtor | what might be a reason why it doesn't see the router, but it does see the other computers |
| 20:14.00 | pickcoder | buggtor: are they on a switch? |
| 20:14.05 | buggtor | nope |
| 20:14.12 | pickcoder | how do they talk then |
| 20:14.20 | abrotman | cans+string |
| 20:14.24 | pickcoder | oh yeah |
| 20:14.29 | e81 | lol |
| 20:15.19 | buggtor | dunno, i suspected via the router |
| 20:15.34 | buggtor | but it isn't able to talk to the router |
| 20:16.15 | e81 | what if you give the machine a static ip address in the routers ip-range |
| 20:16.36 | buggtor | that was the situation when i came here |
| 20:16.47 | e81 | which was a working one? |
| 20:16.50 | buggtor | it still couldn't reach the internet, nor the router |
| 20:17.03 | buggtor | there has on this pc not been a working one yet |
| 20:17.04 | e81 | and you're sure the router is 10.0.0.138? |
| 20:17.54 | buggtor | yes, my other two pc's (10.0.0.151 and 10.0.0.153) can internet via the router on 10.0.0.138 |
| 20:18.39 | sylarr | is there a minimum kernel for lenny? |
| 20:18.54 | kenjy | abrotman: shure? because I see this # ls /var/lib/postgresql/7.4/main/ |
| 20:18.54 | kenjy | PG_VERSION base global pg_clog pg_hba.confpg_ident.conf pg_xlogpostgresql.conf postmaster.opts postmaster.pid root.crt |
| 20:18.59 | kenjy | abrotman: not shure about whats that |
| 20:19.13 | abrotman | and what? |
| 20:19.20 | abrotman | did you actually look around? |
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| 20:19.43 | stew | sylarr: it depends on what software you want to use. a 2.6 kernel is a must, a 2.4 kernel wouldn't work. there are other restrictions for, say, udevd |
| 20:19.58 | stew | sylarr: is there some reason you don't want to use the kernel that comes with lenny? |
| 20:20.47 | sylarr | stew, I am looking at openssi, and it has a patched kernel and only older versions |
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| 20:22.00 | chiak | buggtor: pc isn't occasionally blocked by router? |
| 20:22.04 | stew | sylarr: what's the latest version they support? |
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| 20:25.32 | sylarr | stew, it is hard to say, I think 2.6.12 |
| 20:26.11 | stew | sylarr: so you'd not be able to use udev or anything that depends on it. and there would be many security problems with 2.6.12 |
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| 20:27.36 | dacs | i added a 2nd 80GB HDD, but i can't see it in Debian? what am i missing |
| 20:27.46 | OpenTokix | dacs: maybe a filesystem? |
| 20:28.00 | stew | dacs: is it listed when you run "fdisk -l"? |
| 20:28.02 | OpenTokix | dacs: do you see it in dmesg? |
| 20:28.46 | dacs | OpenTokix: i don't see it in dmesg... i have it set as CS |
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| 20:28.53 | sylarr | stew, ok, does that mean that it is supposed to work with lenny? |
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| 20:29.18 | OpenTokix | dacs: ok, do bios detect it? |
| 20:29.24 | stew | sylarr: no, but it might. but i'd certainly not recommend it |
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| 20:29.40 | zmitya | hi all |
| 20:29.43 | kenjy | guys can you help me? Im trying to setup postgres but I just get this: postgres@test1:/usr/share/doc$ psql |
| 20:29.43 | kenjy | psql: FATAL: database "postgres" does not exist |
| 20:30.23 | dacs | OpenTokix: i didn;t thought of that, so asap i get back home i will check it. but a quick how should it go when i add a HDD |
| 20:30.27 | stew | kenjy: i'd recommend trying to reinstall all the currently installed postgres pacakges |
| 20:30.30 | sylarr | stew, ok, thanks |
| 20:30.43 | chiak | dacs: your first disk is also CS? |
| 20:30.44 | zmitya | can somebody please run a "iozone -s 4096" command ? |
| 20:30.50 | sylarr | are there key combos that lock the mouse? |
| 20:30.51 | zmitya | I think iozone has problems |
| 20:30.57 | aymak | eth0 is configured OK but: ifdown: interface eth0 not configured. Why is this? |
| 20:31.02 | dacs | chiak: yes |
| 20:31.03 | zmitya | it says extremely high values for me: http://paste.debian.net/21319/ |
| 20:31.04 | kenjy | stew: I don't did any change, the instalation its like comes from the packages, I just did su postgres && psql |
| 20:31.09 | OpenTokix | dacs: if you see it in bios, you will see it in debian. - I am sure of it |
| 20:31.24 | sylarr | sometimes my mouse doesn't respond, some times ctrl+q helps fixing it, sometimes not |
| 20:31.26 | stew | kenjy: what version of postgres are you running? |
| 20:31.58 | kenjy | stew: the one who comes with debian, I think that its the 7.4 |
| 20:32.17 | stew | kenjy: many come with debian |
| 20:32.39 | kenjy | stew: I just do apt-get install postgres |
| 20:32.41 | stew | kenjy: i'd recommend reinstalling the installed postgres related pacakge |
| 20:32.47 | stew | packages* |
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| 20:33.12 | kenjy | stew: and then what? XD |
| 20:33.20 | kenjy | stew: I just do apt-get install postgres and I need to remove it and reinstall it? (I don't did any change) |
| 20:33.45 | stew | kenjy: does /var/lib/postgres/7.4/main exist? |
| 20:33.50 | kenjy | stew: yes |
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| 20:34.04 | kenjy | postgres@test1:/usr/share/doc$ ls /var/lib/postgresql/7.4/ |
| 20:34.04 | kenjy | main |
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| 20:34.41 | stew | kenjy: is there a reason you are using 7.4 and not 8.1? |
| 20:34.42 | flinx | hi! |
| 20:34.51 | kenjy | stew: no |
| 20:34.58 | kenjy | stew: I just did apt-get install postgres |
| 20:34.59 | stew | (or 8.3) |
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| 20:35.59 | stew | kenjy: i'd recommend either reinstalling the postgres packages with something like "aptitude reinstall '~i~npostgr'" or installing postgresql-8.1 or installing postgresql-8.3 from backports |
| 20:36.14 | stew | judd: info postgres --release etch |
| 20:36.49 | kenjy | stew: ok |
| 20:36.56 | kenjy | stew: whats wrong with 7.1? |
| 20:36.59 | kenjy | 7.4 I mean |
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| 20:37.20 | stew | kenjy: there's nothing wrong with it per se |
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| 20:37.38 | dacs | !postgres |
| 20:37.38 | dpkg | somebody said postgres was better than MySQL!, or short for <postgresql> |
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| 20:38.49 | nauticalthinker | anyone got a few minutes to discuss a memory issue on my laptop? |
| 20:38.59 | nauticalthinker | using debian kernel 2.6.18-4 |
| 20:39.08 | stew | nauticalthinker: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 20:39.24 | teratoma_ | i have made kernel package of custom kernel, the debian way. how do i make package of init image ? |
| 20:39.28 | flinx | Hello! Is there a way of setting hostname same as set in /etc/hostname to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, so DHCP client will send this name to DHCP server? |
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| 20:39.36 | nauticalthinker | i've got a directory containing about 40 or so pics... |
| 20:39.40 | stew | teratoma_: you mean initrd? |
| 20:39.44 | teratoma_ | stew: yes |
| 20:39.45 | nauticalthinker | I turn on photobook view |
| 20:39.50 | stew | teratoma_: did you compile it with the --initrd option? |
| 20:39.54 | nauticalthinker | then open up oow |
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| 20:40.10 | nauticalthinker | copy and paste pic from directory to oow |
| 20:40.16 | stew | nauticalthinker: it will be easier for people to follow what you are saying if you say it all on one line |
| 20:40.31 | nauticalthinker | while flipping back and forth from oow to directory the system begins to slow to a crawl |
| 20:40.41 | nauticalthinker | top shows swap is in use, but not a lot |
| 20:40.41 | stew | nauticalthinker: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 20:41.16 | nauticalthinker | swapping does come into play, but not a lot |
| 20:41.26 | nauticalthinker | my system has 2gigs of physical ram |
| 20:41.28 | pickcoder | nauticalthinker: iostat from the sysstat package can tell you how much information is waiting in I/O queue |
| 20:41.31 | pickcoder | as well as other info |
| 20:41.36 | nauticalthinker | k |
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| 20:41.44 | stew | nauticalthinker: how are you determining how much swapping is happening? |
| 20:41.49 | pickcoder | if you are disk bound your iowait will be high |
| 20:42.04 | nauticalthinker | using top |
| 20:42.16 | nauticalthinker | I'll try iostat...that would be useful |
| 20:42.40 | OpenTokix | dbench, iozone and bonnie is nice |
| 20:42.49 | OpenTokix | I have found dbenhc and iozone easier to interpet |
| 20:42.53 | pickcoder | bonnie just does performance benchmarking |
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| 20:43.30 | pickcoder | not as accurate as bonnie++ but then again their results can be misleading based on the device |
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| 20:43.59 | stew | nauticalthinker: i don't think top has a way of telling you if you are swapping. only a way to tell you if any swap is in use at all, which would almost always be the case, whether you are actively swapping or not |
| 20:44.21 | nauticalthinker | i c |
| 20:44.24 | kenjy | abrotman: oks now it works with the 8.1 |
| 20:44.28 | kenjy | abrotman: is this a bug in postgres? |
| 20:44.30 | nauticalthinker | what do you recommend ? |
| 20:44.36 | abrotman | kenjy: i doubt it |
| 20:44.51 | kenjy | abrotman: I mean, is this a bug in postgres 7.1 debian package? |
| 20:44.58 | abrotman | what bug? |
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| 20:45.08 | nauticalthinker | how can i tell if i'm swapping? |
| 20:45.15 | stew | nauticalthinker: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 20:45.24 | nauticalthinker | k |
| 20:45.45 | kenjy | abrotman: you don't se? do apt-get -y install postgres && su postgres && psql |
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| 20:46.18 | stew | kenjy: i'd guess that you deleted the postgres database sometime after installing it |
| 20:46.18 | kenjy | abrotman: you are going to get a "psql: FATAL: IDENT authentication failed" |
| 20:46.24 | kenjy | stew: no |
| 20:46.39 | kenjy | stew: I don't do nothing more than what I say: "apt-get -y install postgres && su postgres && psql" |
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| 20:46.50 | stew | dpkg: info postgres etch |
| 20:47.00 | stew | dpkg: +info postgres etch |
| 20:47.02 | dpkg | Package 'postgres' does not exist. |
| 20:47.29 | kenjy | stew: I mean apt-get install postgresql |
| 20:47.44 | kenjy | stew: "apt-get -y install postgresql && su postgres && psql" |
| 20:47.46 | kenjy | stew: try it |
| 20:47.52 | stew | kenjy: i've done it many times |
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| 20:48.10 | stew | kenjy: and i don't know if i have any machines that don't already have postgres installed |
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| 20:48.27 | stew | kenjy: check the bts. if postgresql-7.4 didn't work at all there would be many bug reports about |
| 20:48.31 | stew | it |
| 20:48.38 | abrotman | kenjy: i'm guessing you hosed your conf files |
| 20:48.49 | kenjy | stew: then this is a bug in the postgresql package |
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| 20:49.00 | kenjy | abrotman: I don't touched them |
| 20:49.28 | pickcoder | kenjy: I doubt the initial install of the DB is going to be PnP |
| 20:49.49 | stew | kenjy: check http://bugs.debian.org/postgresql-7.4 |
| 20:49.51 | kenjy | pickcoder: whats PnP |
| 20:49.55 | pickcoder | plug-n-play |
| 20:50.02 | kenjy | stew: shure, Im just saying that its a bug =) |
| 20:50.02 | stew | pickcoder: why not? |
| 20:50.07 | stew | kenjy: its not |
| 20:50.16 | kenjy | stew: then what is it? |
| 20:50.23 | pickcoder | because you can't assume every config option |
| 20:50.33 | stew | pickcoder: it is, in fact, plug and play |
| 20:50.44 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 20:50.51 | stew | kenjy: you deleted files, or misconfigured it |
| 20:51.02 | kenjy | steve: no |
| 20:51.05 | kenjy | stew: no |
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| 20:51.24 | pickcoder | kenjy: did you duplicate the issue twice? |
| 20:51.34 | pickcoder | remove/purge/reinstall |
| 20:52.11 | pickcoder | duplicate twice.. heh that's like a negative negation |
| 20:52.41 | kenjy | so you don't belive it guys? |
| 20:52.42 | stew | kenjy: if it is the case that if you install postgresql-7.4 on a clean stable machine, and it fails to work at all, there will be lots of bug reports about it on http://bugs.debian.org/postgresql-7.4 |
| 20:52.46 | kenjy | ok Im going to proube it |
| 20:53.03 | stew | kenjy: no, i don't belive it. it wouldn't have made it into the stabe release in such a state, and i've tried it myself |
| 20:53.29 | twobitsprite | kenjy: what distro are you running? |
| 20:53.47 | kenjy | steve, twobitsprite, pickcoder, abrotman this in a new debian instalation http://rafb.net/p/fsGzCf55.html |
| 20:53.50 | kenjy | twobitsprite: etch |
| 20:54.22 | kenjy | steve, twobitsprite, pickcoder, abrotman : I just do what you see: apt-get -y install postgresql && su postgres && psql |
| 20:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
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| 20:55.14 | Valori | I just got a new graphics card this week and it works awesome on my system, only thing is when I use it my wireless can barely connect and when it finally does I get like 20% signal strength it says. I normally get 88%. I'm on my onboard graphics card until I can find out why this is happening. If you need anymore info on my pc for fixing this just ask. |
| 20:55.15 | abrotman | kenjy: how is that an error? it tells you the 'postgres' DB doesn't exist .. and nor should it |
| 20:55.16 | kenjy | steve, twobitsprite, pickcoder, abrotman : now you belive me? it don't work |
| 20:55.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | "su postgres && psql" is supposed to run psql as which user? |
| 20:55.37 | abrotman | kenjy: because you're doing it wrong |
| 20:55.38 | kenjy | CutMeOwnThroat: it runs like the user who start it |
| 20:55.45 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: as postgres |
| 20:55.55 | abrotman | *doing it wrong* |
| 20:56.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | kenjy, that is, obviously, always the case for non-suid binaries :) |
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| 20:56.18 | betita_elfica | heello |
| 20:56.20 | abrotman | no .. he's doing it *wrong* |
| 20:56.24 | betita_elfica | i have a problem with the pear of php |
| 20:56.24 | kenjy | abrotman: then if Im doing it wrong why it works with the package postgresql-8.1 |
| 20:56.33 | abrotman | kenjy: psql template1 .. does it work? |
| 20:56.36 | twobitsprite | betita_elfica: pear? |
| 20:56.51 | kenjy | abrotman: yes |
| 20:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, it indeed runs as the user one has su'd to... how amazing |
| 20:57.00 | abrotman | kenjy: not a bug .. have a nice day |
| 20:57.09 | betita_elfica | the php-pear |
| 20:57.16 | kenjy | abrotman: why it works with postgresql-8.1 ? |
| 20:57.17 | abrotman | betita_elfica: we need more information |
| 20:57.18 | stew | kenjy: i'd guess becuase you haven't yet altered the config files for 8.1 and haven't yet deleted any files from /var/lib/postgresql/8.1/ |
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| 20:57.29 | kenjy | abrotman: apt-get install postgresql-8.1 && su postgres && psql that works |
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| 20:57.40 | twobitsprite | betita_elfica: ahh... what is the problem? |
| 20:57.59 | kenjy | stew: I don't do any change please see the terminal any change its made |
| 20:58.07 | kenjy | stew: its a clear instalation |
| 20:58.10 | abrotman | kenjy: because the postinst scripts are different? .. you didn't create a postgres DB .. so why would it exist? AFAIR, there's nothing in a 'postgres' DB by default, it uses template1 |
| 20:58.57 | n3kl | Anyone know what package contains x264 codec for encoding? |
| 20:59.17 | kenjy | any way, this is bored so if its not a bug then its not a bug bug |
| 20:59.20 | betita_elfica | [twobitsprite] my phpinfo() says that the configurate command: without-pear |
| 20:59.33 | abrotman | kenjy: right, not a bug, have a great day! |
| 20:59.57 | jelly-home | abrotman: can I have two? |
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| 21:00.01 | chiak | !tell n3kl about multimedia |
| 21:00.07 | kenjy | where can I learn to install postgres in debian? |
| 21:00.20 | n3kl | chiak: thank you, but that is not what I asked |
| 21:00.48 | stew | kenjy: perhaps 7.4 isn't supposed to have a postgres database |
| 21:00.49 | chiak | apt-cache search x264 |
| 21:00.52 | chiak | x264 - video encoder for the H.264/MPEG-4 AVC standard |
| 21:00.52 | abrotman | kenjy: you installed it just fine, but the installation does not create a "postgres" DB .. i don't see why this is hard to understand |
| 21:00.57 | Valori | I just got a new graphics card this week and it works awesome on my system, only thing is when I use it my wireless can barely connect and when it finally does I get like 20% signal strength it says. I normally get 88%. I'm on my onboard graphics card until I can find out why this is happening. If you need anymore info on my pc for fixing this just ask. |
| 21:01.12 | kenjy | abrotman: I don't wanna create a postgres database |
| 21:01.20 | abrotman | so then why are you trying to use it? |
| 21:01.25 | betita_elfica | i have installed the php-pear but didnt works |
| 21:01.26 | kenjy | abrotman: I just wanna get the postgres console to start creating databases |
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| 21:01.40 | stew | kenjy: "createdb databasename" to create a database |
| 21:01.41 | kenjy | abrotman: like doing $ mysql -u root -p |
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| 21:02.04 | abrotman | kenjy: i think you need to start by reading the docs for postgresql in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 21:02.13 | abrotman | and then move on to postgresql.org |
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| 21:02.50 | abrotman | kenjy: typically in a dev environment would su - postgres .. and the 'createuser' and use their own user instead of mucking with the postgres user |
| 21:03.05 | abrotman | kenjy: and you can give your own user rights to create DBs etc |
| 21:03.12 | kenjy | ok |
| 21:03.18 | kenjy | abrotman: and all guys tnks for your time =) |
| 21:03.29 | kenjy | abrotman: a reason to use 8.1 instead of 7.4 ? |
| 21:03.40 | abrotman | i'd use 8.1 where i could over 7.4 |
| 21:03.53 | kenjy | abrotman: a reason |
| 21:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | higher numbers are cooler |
| 21:04.13 | lancelot | how to verify the date of last change in my Debian lenny sound modules? |
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| 21:04.24 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesn't apply when expenses are involved |
| 21:04.29 | Valori | I just got a new graphics card this week and it works awesome on my system, only thing is when I use it my wireless can barely connect and when it finally does I get like 20% signal strength it says. I normally get 88%. I'm on my onboard graphics card until I can find out why this is happening. If you need anymore info on my pc for fixing this just ask. |
| 21:04.34 | lancelot | where the sound drivers are? |
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| 21:05.10 | lancelot | i tried /usr/lib/2.6.26.... but no directory with this name.. |
| 21:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, depends... if the expenses will also give you a profit that's going up exponentially with them, they're cool again |
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| 21:05.43 | flami | Hi, are there some headerfiles missing in the linux-headers package? for example dvb_frontend.h is only in the linux-source package. |
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| 21:05.54 | chiak | lancelot: try /lib/modules/2.6.26... |
| 21:05.54 | flami | or did I miss some package? |
| 21:06.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | lancelot, kernel modules are in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 21:06.13 | stew | flami: which linux-headers package are you talking about? |
| 21:06.34 | betita_elfica | [twobitsprite] |
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| 21:06.45 | renton_ | Hello, i should burn the debian .iso with K3B. I had some problem about booting the cd on my desktop pc (aged 2001) which write mode should I use?? DAO, TAO or RAW? Thanks! |
| 21:06.55 | lancelot | ok great |
| 21:06.58 | lancelot | thank you |
| 21:07.22 | jpinx | to copy my system to another partition for the same machine, do I do dd / /path/to/partition Will that copy absolutely everything and make a working system there? |
| 21:07.38 | pickcoder | renton_: just use wodim and tell it to burn the ISO to the CD device |
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| 21:07.58 | renton_ | pickcoder: why not K3B? |
| 21:08.08 | teratoma_ | where is aufs or unionfs when i run 'make menuconfig' ? |
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| 21:08.12 | pickcoder | you are having problems with k3b aren't you? |
| 21:08.14 | \amethyst | renton_: either DAO or TAO should be fine... not sure what it means by 'RAW'? |
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| 21:08.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, dd / won't do anything useful |
| 21:08.37 | pengwyn | bad hard drive? |
| 21:08.43 | xnor | Hi! I was getting the "ACPI: Unable to load the system description tables" when i tried to install Lenny. I was able to install evrything using the nolapic boot parameter. But when the system restarted i get the same error even when i use nolapic :/ Help! |
| 21:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, you probably mean dd -in /dev/somedevice -out /dev/someotheredevice (?) |
| 21:09.02 | pengwyn | penguins CAN FLY!!! |
| 21:09.09 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks :D |
| 21:09.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | pengwyn, left-hand side pocket... the white little pills, take three of them with water |
| 21:09.43 | renton_ | i don't know.. my desktop pc boots some old ubuntu cd made with Nero on Windows.. the cd I burn on linux doesn't boot! i can read their content when linux is up.. but they doesn't boot :( |
| 21:09.45 | pengwyn | heh heh heh ha ha ha ha |
| 21:09.47 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: will that make the destinationa working ayatem? |
| 21:09.59 | jpinx | *system? |
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| 21:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, check man dd, though - I've just made that up and don't use dd often... |
| 21:10.11 | amikrop | Hello. How can I boot Debian Inst from a USB, at an old laptop which doesn't provide the option "boot from USB" in the list priority menu, in BIOS setup? |
| 21:10.30 | pickcoder | amikrop: you can't |
| 21:10.33 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: what else is possib;e - rsync maybe? |
| 21:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, and you need a count=number and should use bs=number also for performance |
| 21:10.44 | amikrop | pickcoder: why not? :S |
| 21:10.48 | pickcoder | if BIOS won't do an int32 hook then it won't boot\ |
| 21:10.53 | pickcoder | er int16 |
| 21:10.59 | pickcoder | w/e it is.. |
| 21:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, it will just copy the whole partition... |
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| 21:11.29 | renton_ | do you think is there any difference in the boot procedure of debian compared to ubuntu? |
| 21:11.32 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: ok - that's what I need |
| 21:11.37 | renton_ | i mean the .iso boot |
| 21:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, tar is also possible |
| 21:11.43 | pengwyn | magic numbers are your friend |
| 21:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, will not clone the bootsector, though |
| 21:12.03 | pengwyn | acronis - dare I say |
| 21:12.08 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: I can chroot into it and run grub though? |
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| 21:12.47 | pengwyn | I hope you get your data back - I really do |
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| 21:13.21 | jpinx | sheeesh -- man dd is sparse |
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| 21:13.32 | pengwyn | maybe one day I will get my debian back |
| 21:14.21 | pengwyn | what am I talking about my debian is launching aircraft |
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| 21:14.39 | pengwyn | weeee, deply chroots |
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| 21:15.15 | teratoma_ | how do i get aufs support into my custom kernel ? |
| 21:16.46 | pengwyn | what could possibly happen to your partition[s] that you need be dd (demanding data) back? |
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| 21:17.21 | pickcoder | teratoma_: you'll need to build it with the source package |
| 21:17.46 | pickcoder | if it's a custom build from a source .deb then you can use the aufs-source package |
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| 21:18.03 | pickcoder | if it's a vanilla source tree then I guess you'll have to put the driver source in manually |
| 21:18.14 | pickcoder | then use make-kpkg to build the kernel image package |
| 21:18.16 | teratoma_ | pickcoder: i am making a custome build . i made it. so im confused, i got the aufs-source package. what do i do now? |
| 21:18.25 | pickcoder | a custom build of what |
| 21:18.30 | pengwyn | I was always keen on running apt-get suprise package |
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| 21:18.48 | teratoma_ | pickcoder: i am building linux-source-2.6.24 |
| 21:18.49 | pengwyn | j/k okay. |
| 21:18.58 | pickcoder | teratoma_: module-assistant can help |
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| 21:20.06 | pickcoder | IIRC, build the kernel and install it, then use module-assistant to build and install the module based on the running kenerl version |
| 21:20.19 | pengwyn | CutMeOwnThroat, what's your dilemma (repeat the problem) just asking |
| 21:20.22 | pickcoder | or it will be built as part of the image package |
| 21:20.33 | pickcoder | I'm not sure |
| 21:20.39 | teratoma_ | pickcoder: i want to eventually build a kernel package that has this in the kernel, not as a module. how do i do that ? |
| 21:20.45 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 21:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | pengwyn, was just trying to be helpful :) |
| 21:21.06 | pickcoder | look for it in the build config menu under fs types |
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| 21:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma_, why? |
| 21:21.20 | lancelot | how to make my wifi board "ifconfig up" automatically at boot? |
| 21:21.22 | pengwyn | Ah helping someone else. My bad. I thought you needed help with partitions and insanity |
| 21:21.24 | teratoma_ | CutMeOwnThroat: for installing with fai |
| 21:21.56 | stew | lancelot: man intefaces |
| 21:22.01 | jpinx | pengwyn: it's me that's trying to clone my entire setup onto another partition on another hdd |
| 21:22.16 | stew | lancelot: and maybe also, install wireless-tools and 'man wireless' |
| 21:22.17 | robacarp | lancelot: /etc/network/interfaces ,I think |
| 21:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma_, and why not have a modules-package there also? Isn't that easier? |
| 21:22.52 | teratoma_ | CutMeOwnThroat: in order for fai to work, i need to have aufs support compiled into the kernel |
| 21:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, I normally use tar, because the disks are not normally the same size... |
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| 21:23.29 | stew | jpinx: are the partitions the same size? or which is bigger? the source or destination? |
| 21:23.39 | pengwyn | jpinx, I HAD REALLY GOOD LUCK CLONING / e.g. imaging in windows language (non free software alert) with acronis. But that's just me |
| 21:23.52 | jpinx | stew: destination is bigger |
| 21:23.56 | jelly-home | teratoma_: so patch/configure your kernel, and build the package as usual |
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| 21:24.22 | pengwyn | There are other solutions to imaging a linux partition I ADMIT |
| 21:24.40 | stew | jpinx: which filesystem? |
| 21:24.43 | pengwyn | But acronis CURRENTLY is my friend |
| 21:24.45 | jelly-home | pengwyn: please stop shouting |
| 21:24.51 | jpinx | stew: ext3 |
| 21:24.52 | pengwyn | whoopsie |
| 21:25.01 | Zharf | hmmm |
| 21:25.09 | stew | jpinx: "cp /dev/sourcepart /dev/destpart" will work then where sourcepart and destpart are something like hda1 or sda5 or whatever. after you are done copying, you can resize the destination with "resize2fs /dev/whatever" so that it grows to fill the partition size |
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| 21:25.37 | jpinx | stew: ok -thanks |
| 21:25.39 | pengwyn | I even used midnight commander once to get a bootable system up. |
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| 21:26.10 | pengwyn | just copying files. and boom it lit up |
| 21:26.24 | pengwyn | then deleting any extra files |
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| 21:26.39 | pengwyn | stew rocks though!! |
| 21:26.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, that's probably a bit more than you wanted to do, but look at my notes when cloning via the network: http://nw.ath.cx/~k/clone_a_pc.txt |
| 21:29.41 | pengwyn | he really knows the answers. helped me a zillion times in this channel |
| 21:29.42 | Zharf | hmm |
| 21:29.42 | stew | ? |
| 21:29.42 | natousayni | anybody has read "a HAcker Manifesto" ? |
| 21:29.42 | natousayni | of McKenzie Wark |
| 21:29.42 | pengwyn | thanks stew |
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| 21:29.43 | pengwyn | I always spread stew's advice as many times as I can after I learn myself. Takes the ultimate load off him. |
| 21:30.02 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 21:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, you probably just need to do something like cd /oldpar; tar --one-file-system -cvf - / | (cd /new/filesyst/ && tar -xvf -) |
| 21:30.03 | pengwyn | natousayni, searched google |
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| 21:30.04 | pengwyn | jpinx go with what stew said. |
| 21:30.05 | jpinx | stew: cp doesn't copy / |
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| 21:30.05 | pengwyn | he's the linux master!! |
| 21:30.05 | natousayni | the author ? |
| 21:30.05 | Zharf | grr |
| 21:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, but we just got complete new pc's and I didn't want to take the drives out, so I cloned via the network |
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| 21:30.07 | pengwyn | jpinx are you root? |
| 21:30.07 | natousayni | Wark is a linux master ? |
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| 21:30.11 | pengwyn | Do what was said as ROOT |
| 21:30.30 | pengwyn | oops shouting again |
| 21:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, cp -r copies / |
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| 21:30.33 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: that's it - thanks |
| 21:30.51 | pengwyn | CutMeOwnThroat, peace amigo |
| 21:30.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | copys? |
| 21:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | copies |
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| 21:31.08 | stew | jpinx: i'm not saying you should run a command like "cp / /somewhereelse" but "cp /dev/partition /dev/someotherpartition" |
| 21:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn English... all garbled up in my brain |
| 21:31.28 | oneeder | network doesn't work in my new debian netinstall. can i use another distro's live cd to compile and install gcc, make and its dependencies and the c libraries on my debian system to i can compile the driver i got for the ethernet? or is it just too stupid? |
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| 21:32.01 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: copys is the verb - copies is plural of copy |
| 21:32.05 | pengwyn | oneeder, what ether net card do you have? do you know? that's 9% of solving it. |
| 21:32.23 | xand | oneeder: maybe try lenny instead of etch |
| 21:32.31 | jpinx | stew: it's running cp -r / /path/to/partition |
| 21:32.46 | oneeder | it's realtek 8168/8111 |
| 21:33.03 | pengwyn | realtek can be probed. |
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| 21:34.08 | oneeder | ubuntu has problems with this card too |
| 21:34.09 | stew | jpinx: that is not going to preserv file ownership |
| 21:34.14 | pengwyn | modprobe 8139? |
| 21:34.34 | pengwyn | crap . Hang on oneeder |
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| 21:34.46 | abrotman | hrm .. i didn't have services with me, and it's not here either |
| 21:34.55 | oneeder | pengwyn but that marvelous plan i have, is it doable? |
| 21:35.32 | pengwyn | google your realtek card. modprobe xxxxxxx (where xxxxxx == your card's codename) |
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| 21:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, I saw it when I'd typed it :) but couldn't decide before I did |
| 21:36.00 | pengwyn | did you know if it was a 8168 or a 8111? |
| 21:36.31 | pengwyn | maybe my search was bad. ;o) |
| 21:36.34 | oneeder | it says 8168/8111... i *know* the 8168 will work |
| 21:36.46 | pengwyn | modprobe r8169 |
| 21:36.51 | pengwyn | modprobe r8168 |
| 21:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, and finally someone told me a week or so ago that I repeatedly write "sais" ... amazing (and depressing), the mistakes one makes when it's not the native language... would be unthinkable if it was |
| 21:37.16 | oneeder | but what if the module is not there? |
| 21:37.29 | pengwyn | then you need to get it |
| 21:37.30 | natousayni | is there any channel in deiban community dedicated to off topic discussion such as free soft OSS and assimilated topics ? |
| 21:37.44 | abrotman | assimilated ? |
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| 21:38.16 | stew | abrotman: you will be |
| 21:38.18 | pengwyn | net install works for realtek cards for me |
| 21:38.21 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 21:38.26 | natousayni | similars ? ... my english is not so good... |
| 21:38.32 | pengwyn | try the netinstall iso? |
| 21:38.35 | natousayni | equivalents ? |
| 21:38.41 | stew | natousayni: there is #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:38.54 | oneeder | it worked for my last realtek, but not for this one.. nothing works for this one =\. i think it's a bit too new, that's why |
| 21:38.55 | natousayni | that's the place for such talks ? |
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| 21:39.11 | oneeder | new and a piece crap |
| 21:39.21 | pengwyn | ssorru |
| 21:39.24 | pengwyn | y |
| 21:39.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, if you want to use cp on /, you need options to preserve rights/ownership/softlinks |
| 21:39.33 | pengwyn | I didn't do it |
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| 21:39.44 | stew | natousayni: not specifically |
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| 21:39.58 | jelly-home | stew: borg yoda you are, futile resistance is, hrmm? |
| 21:40.19 | pengwyn | oneeder, try hacking a few modprobes before you give up |
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| 21:40.48 | natousayni | stew : thx ! m going there, ++ |
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| 21:40.48 | muddd | ok had to reinstall everything and now iceweasel isnt letting me watch youtube videos cuz of flash but I tried to install adobe's flashplayer and it says it worked, but iceweasel says there is no plugin for flash... wtf |
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| 21:40.57 | oneeder | that's not possible cause i'm a windows user. i come from the "point and click next" side of the world |
| 21:41.04 | pengwyn | I mean if time amd bandwidth is your friend |
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| 21:41.38 | pengwyn | It's possible your needing a specific driver disk |
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| 21:42.03 | pengwyn | that's why i suggested netinstall iso |
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| 21:42.10 | oneeder | but i used netinstall |
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| 21:42.28 | pengwyn | lemme search |
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| 21:44.29 | pengwyn | oneeder, http://webui.sourcelabs.com/ubuntu/issues/252307 |
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| 21:47.31 | mentalmonkey | s/cd/optical/ |
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| 21:47.32 | mentalmonkey | when I '$eject' it stalls, and the same for mounting |
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| 21:47.33 | baron1804 | anyone have deluge or uttorent running on debian? |
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| 21:47.38 | mentalmonkey | I just want to do a backup of my software but I can't |
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| 21:48.31 | pengwyn | mentalmonkey are ya root? |
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| 21:48.31 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: I can be, same response be I root or plebian |
| 21:48.49 | pengwyn | be root and rephrase the question |
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| 21:48.58 | oneeder | i'll try some of these things. i'll be back and tell you how it went. see ya o/ |
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| 21:50.05 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: ok I'm root, and dmesg seems to be seing any action for hda dvd etc. |
| 21:50.10 | baron1804 | Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 21:50.18 | baron1804 | i am root |
| 21:50.36 | mentalmonkey | baron1804: is there some other apt activity going on? |
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| 21:50.50 | baron1804 | not sure |
| 21:50.58 | mentalmonkey | that would be my guess |
| 21:51.01 | amphi | baron1804: some othe package manager running? |
| 21:51.18 | baron1804 | i think uttorrent web gui is running |
| 21:51.35 | pengwyn | mental monkey try creating a symbolic link and hacking your fstab mtab? |
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| 21:51.56 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: oh, jeez you are prob. right |
| 21:52.07 | amphi | baron1804: what does that have to do with package management? |
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| 21:52.35 | pengwyn | I hope the stock market aint crashing |
| 21:52.38 | baron1804 | im a newbie i have no idea.. i was trying to install uttorrent or deluge |
| 21:52.47 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: google was off for a while |
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| 21:53.15 | pengwyn | \Yikes, thats the crap that gives government (in the US) reason to take over |
| 21:53.26 | amphi | baron1804: "deluge-torrent - A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK" is in debian |
| 21:53.30 | ice799 | Hi - I recently installed NIS on debian 4 etch to test it out. I decided that it wasn't what I needed so I've apt-get remove --purge nis, but when I try to change my passwd by running "passwd" I get the error: "passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." So it looks like NIS was not totally removed. Any ideas what else I need to do ? |
| 21:53.38 | amphi | if that's what you mean |
| 21:53.39 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: I'm going for a depmod -ae - I just don't have skills in this area |
| 21:53.48 | baron1804 | yea how would i install taht |
| 21:53.58 | pengwyn | mentalmonkey, I don't claim to be a master either |
| 21:54.01 | stew | judd: versions deluge-torrent |
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| 21:54.02 | judd | stew: deluge-torrent: 0.5.0-2~bpo.1 (etch-backports) 0.5.9.3-1 (lenny) 0.5.9.3-1 (sid) |
| 21:54.03 | baron1804 | when i put in my command its asking me if im in root |
| 21:54.14 | stew | baron1804: its not in etch, but is available from etch-backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:54.17 | \amethyst | baron1804: what does id -u say? |
| 21:54.29 | stew | baron1804: you need to be root or use su/sudo to install packages |
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| 21:56.10 | pengwyn | mentalmonkey, try hdb, hdc, hdd, etc. |
| 21:56.47 | baron1804 | Error message from server: Permission denied |
| 21:56.54 | baron1804 | when i try to edit the sources file |
| 21:57.08 | pengwyn | what file? |
| 21:57.23 | baron1804 | sources.list |
| 21:57.31 | stew | baron1804: are you root? |
| 21:57.38 | pengwyn | (cough) nevermind |
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| 21:58.08 | baron1804 | umm im ssh not sure how to edit through root |
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| 21:58.17 | amphi | baron1804: su |
| 21:58.38 | pengwyn | su + password |
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| 21:58.52 | stew | if sudo is setup you can use "sudoedit filename", otherwise run "su" to switch to the root user in that shell |
| 21:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, hm, look for remainers in /etc/passwd? |
| 21:58.56 | scales11 | hello all couple questions: my hotkeys only work when i issue the command "rmmod pciehp; modprobe pciehp" so i figure this means i need to have it load upon startup. since i do not have an /etc/modules folder as listed in the wiki, i need to echo pciehp somewhere yes? |
| 21:59.10 | ice799 | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean ? |
| 21:59.14 | stew | scales11: what version of debian are you running |
| 21:59.18 | \amethyst | ice799: make sure nis isn't listed for any of the databases in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 21:59.25 | ice799 | \amethyst: yep, it is not. |
| 21:59.31 | pengwyn | getting confused I am... |
| 21:59.32 | scales11 | lenny i think? |
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| 21:59.47 | \amethyst | ice799: also, make sure there's nothing about nis or yp in /etc/pam.d/passwd or /etc/pam.d/common-passwd |
| 21:59.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, I thought you'd have some +:+something line in /etc/passwd, also something in shadow.... |
| 21:59.52 | scales11 | stew: lenny i think...2.6.26-1-686 |
| 22:00.06 | stew | scales11: if its lenny then /etc/modules is the right file |
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| 22:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, hm, did you remove the packages with --purge, btw? |
| 22:00.23 | pengwyn | back focused |
| 22:00.31 | scales11 | stew: humm....i dont have a folder there |
| 22:00.36 | ice799 | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, I used --purge |
| 22:00.42 | dmoerner | scales11, it's not a folder. it should be a file |
| 22:00.50 | ice799 | \amethyst: nothing about nis or yp in the files you mentioned |
| 22:00.52 | dmoerner | echo pciehp >> /etc/modules should do it for you |
| 22:00.52 | FunctorSalad | uhm, simple question... what do I need to add to /etc/interfaces to have my wireless lan loaded in addition to the wireful lan? I think the module for the wlan is loaded already |
| 22:00.55 | scales11 | stew: ah..ok i will check |
| 22:00.57 | stew | scales11: its not a folder, its a flat file |
| 22:01.04 | stew | scales11: (man modules) |
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| 22:01.22 | \amethyst | ice799: hm, is nscd running? if so, does restarting it fix anything? |
| 22:01.26 | scales11 | stew: thanks i am an idiot. hard to cd into a file ;) |
| 22:01.42 | stew | FunctorSalad: man wireless ; man interfaces ; if it is configured there just not automatically loading, you just need to add a "auto interfacename" line |
| 22:01.48 | pengwyn | I wouldn't echo anythihng anywhere unless it's an emergency . install midnight commander and edit the actual file |
| 22:01.49 | stew | scales11: :) |
| 22:01.50 | twobitsprite | FunctorSalad: how did I guess you would be in #haskell? :) |
| 22:02.01 | FunctorSalad | twobitsprite: no idea ;) |
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| 22:02.06 | pengwyn | you can uninstall mc after |
| 22:02.20 | ice799 | \amethyst: nscd is not running according to ps |
| 22:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, there's a pretty good example-interfaces in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 22:02.35 | row | Can I use rsync --partial to copy part of a downloaded file to another location while the file finishes downloading and then run rsync --partial to complete the transfer, or will it just override the file? |
| 22:02.36 | FunctorSalad | stew: I was wondering where /etc/interfaces-legal names such as 'eth0' are defined |
| 22:02.39 | ice799 | \amethyst: if I strace passwd it chokes at: open("/usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/shadow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 22:02.59 | pengwyn | heh |
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| 22:03.16 | stew | FunctorSalad: the names such as 'eth0' are defined by the hardware drivers in the kernel. usually in recent versions of debian, however, they are renamed by udev: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 22:03.32 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: well kern.log definately has a dvd drive listed in it so at least something is recognizing the drive :) |
| 22:03.38 | pengwyn | folks . mc is your friend |
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| 22:03.57 | FunctorSalad | stew: thanks. that udev file only has eth0... any guesses what the default name for the wlan is? ;) |
| 22:04.02 | \amethyst | ice799: that isn't your problem---it just means that there is no US English translation for passwd |
| 22:04.07 | dmoerner | FunctorSalad, iwconfig should tell you |
| 22:04.14 | stew | FunctorSalad: eth1, wlan0, ath0 |
| 22:04.21 | stew | FunctorSalad: but "ifconfig -a" should show you for sure |
| 22:04.23 | dmoerner | ra0 if proprietary ralink |
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| 22:05.03 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: ah, interesting mount /dev/hda is not working so there something possibly messed up with the devices, you have any idea how to work with it? |
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| 22:05.18 | scales11 | stew: ok well i think the module i wanted to add was already there. any suggestions why it didnt start up on its own? |
| 22:05.18 | pengwyn | mentalmonkey, HACK it, I say, make directory md x ln -s /something /something and then once you have success fix your /etc/mtab /etc/fstab and reboot |
| 22:05.20 | FunctorSalad | stew, dmoerner : thanks. it isn't listed, so maybe I don't have the right module loaded after all... |
| 22:05.27 | \amethyst | ice799: does getent passwd joe give you the user's passwd entry, or an error? |
| 22:05.49 | pengwyn | hda, hdb, hdc, hdd, hde, sda, sdb, sdc, |
| 22:05.52 | stew | FunctorSalad: probably not. i'd expect udev to have it renamed as soon as it was loaded |
| 22:06.02 | Roconda_ | hey, when I apt-get php5-gd it installs x11-common too, is that normal ?! (using lenny) |
| 22:06.12 | stew | scales11: are you sure it's not loaded when you start up? how are you checking? |
| 22:06.17 | stew | Roconda_: yes, that is normal |
| 22:06.43 | Roconda_ | stew: okay, thx :) |
| 22:06.52 | stew | probably for XPM |
| 22:07.28 | \amethyst | Roconda_: you might try aptitude why x11-common |
| 22:07.39 | \amethyst | Roconda_: it should explain the dependency that caused it |
| 22:07.47 | \amethyst | Roconda_: in this case, libxpm4 as stew thought |
| 22:07.52 | scales11 | stew: the hot keys dont work until i manally issue the command "rmmod pciehp; modprobe pciehp " |
| 22:07.54 | pengwyn | mentalmonkey, PS... Make sure your loading a DATA DISK not a freaking AUDIO disk |
| 22:07.56 | Roconda_ | \amethyst: thx, didn't know that function :) |
| 22:08.11 | stew | scales11: does "rmmod pciehp" give you an error? |
| 22:08.13 | pengwyn | You likely know that already though... |
| 22:08.38 | scales11 | stew: not that i know of..... |
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| 22:09.01 | stew | scales11: then it is already loaded. if it were not loaded when you ran that command, trying to unload it with rmmod would give you an error |
| 22:09.42 | scales11 | stew: ok, maybe it is my imagination? |
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| 22:10.10 | stew | scales11: i don't know why "rmmod pciehp; modprobe pciehp" might make it work if it wasn't already working |
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| 22:10.37 | scales11 | stew: ok let me check something hang on |
| 22:11.07 | pengwyn | mentalmonkey, Back in my MANDRAKE days.... |
| 22:11.12 | pengwyn | I had an install |
| 22:12.02 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: no, it's a dvd drive for a monthly backup :) |
| 22:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( will that be a lengthly story? ) |
| 22:12.14 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: s/drive/disk |
| 22:12.49 | pengwyn | it went like this, it had /media ((IIRC)) |
| 22:13.16 | pengwyn | after the install the fscking /media/d changed to some other nonsense |
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| 22:13.32 | pengwyn | All I needed to do was cd / |
| 22:13.39 | pengwyn | md mydisk |
| 22:14.05 | pengwyn | ln -s mydisk /hdX where X == my hacking to figure it out |
| 22:14.40 | pengwyn | maybe it was ln -s /hdX /ydisk I never can remember |
| 22:14.46 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: bit confused |
| 22:14.57 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: so one doesn't work with /dev at all? |
| 22:15.03 | pengwyn | maybe it was ln -s /hdX /mdisk I never can remember, and I get the command confused EVERY TIME |
| 22:15.17 | stew | mentalmonkey: what error do you get when you try to mount? |
| 22:15.18 | pengwyn | Oh yeah /dev/hda |
| 22:15.23 | pengwyn | Oh yeah /dev/hdX |
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| 22:15.35 | pengwyn | df -ha helps |
| 22:15.36 | mentalmonkey | stew: nothing, it just doesn't mount and stalls, I have to kill the term |
| 22:16.01 | stew | mentalmonkey: are you sure you have the right device name? |
| 22:16.13 | mentalmonkey | stew: hda appears in kern.log but nothing happens with eject etc. |
| 22:16.15 | pengwyn | if it's dual boot does windows use the disk? maybe the disk (HARDWARE) is dead |
| 22:16.39 | pengwyn | hda is likely your HARD DRIVE |
| 22:16.39 | mentalmonkey | stew: if it isn't /dev/{hda,dvd,dvdrw,cdrom} I really don't know |
| 22:16.51 | ice799 | \amethyst: figured it out -- shadow file was busted. |
| 22:16.55 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: no we're on sata I'm using a late 2.6 kernel |
| 22:16.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentalmonkey, er, if you umount hangs, it's one of the rare occurrences when you have to reboot... |
| 22:16.56 | ice799 | \amethyst: everything is OK now. |
| 22:17.12 | pengwyn | then it's sda instad of hda. |
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| 22:17.19 | pengwyn | I have sata too |
| 22:17.26 | mentalmonkey | pengwyn: sdX |
| 22:17.35 | stew | mentalmonkey: if its sata, i'd expect it to be /dev/sdX not /dev/hdX, though /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd should, in general be automatically pointing ot the right placed |
| 22:17.39 | pengwyn | everything i said in hdX is now sdX |
| 22:17.44 | mentalmonkey | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but even after reboot + depmod -ae nothing |
| 22:18.03 | mentalmonkey | stew: so maybe sdX something for my optical drive? |
| 22:18.22 | ice799 | I have an NFS mount in my /etc/fstab, for some reason when the init scripts run, NFS attempts to mount before the NIC is up... How do people usually fix this? |
| 22:18.56 | mentalmonkey | stew: unfortunately no, that isn't possible sda is for my internal hd and sdb is for a mem. stick - and that's all the sdXs in /dev |
| 22:18.59 | pengwyn | e.g. md mydisk ln -s /dev/sdb0 /mydisk |
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| 22:19.59 | pengwyn | ln -s /dev/sdb1 /mydisk or sdc1 sdc0 sda1 sda2 sdc0 sdc1 sdc2 HACK IT!!! |
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| 22:20.22 | stew | mentalmonkey: can you show us the output of "udevinfo --query=all -name hda" ? |
| 22:20.28 | pengwyn | once you mount, then fix your /etc/fstab /etc/mtab |
| 22:20.37 | stew | mentalmonkey: or at least, does it return a bunch of stuff? if so what does it say for ID_TYPE |
| 22:20.45 | mentalmonkey | stew: of course one moment |
| 22:21.05 | twobitsprite | pengwyn: should you be editing mtab? |
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| 22:21.09 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 22:21.18 | mentalmonkey | stew: node name not found :( |
| 22:21.21 | pengwyn | twobitsprite, YES I SHOULD |
| 22:21.30 | \amethyst | ice799: strange, mountall.sh should be skipping NFS mounts |
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| 22:21.40 | twobitsprite | pengwyn: ohh... ok :) I thought it was just managed by mount |
| 22:21.57 | mentalmonkey | stew: should I reboot? |
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| 22:22.09 | pengwyn | maybe it is, but when mount ain't mounting cause something is awry, I HACK IT |
| 22:22.17 | \amethyst | ice799: it does mount -a -t nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs,gfs2 -O no_netdev |
| 22:22.18 | stew | mentalmonkey: no, you don't need to reboot, but it means that hda is probably not the right device |
| 22:22.25 | mentalmonkey | stew: cross fingers, give burnt offering to shiva? |
| 22:22.30 | twobitsprite | just putting lines in mtab makes things work? |
| 22:22.36 | stew | mentalmonkey: what does "readlink -f /dev/cdrom" return? |
| 22:22.41 | pengwyn | and I ALWAYS get it backwards, e.g. file already exists |
| 22:22.49 | pengwyn | heh heh heh |
| 22:22.52 | mentalmonkey | stew: /dev/hda |
| 22:23.11 | twobitsprite | ln -s <real file> <link name> |
| 22:23.14 | DukeDrake | is it possible to get the .config only from the current kernel? |
| 22:23.15 | twobitsprite | real comes first |
| 22:23.16 | mentalmonkey | stew: so that makes sense that it isn't working :) |
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| 22:23.24 | scales11 | stew: ok i will just reboot and see if it works |
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| 22:23.38 | DukeDrake | like I need to compile a kernel and need the config from the current kernel |
| 22:23.43 | \amethyst | ice799: does it help if you add _netdev (with the underscore) to the options field? |
| 22:23.43 | stew | DukeDrake: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 22:23.56 | DukeDrake | stew: not available |
| 22:23.59 | scales11 | second question: i have to apply what i believe to be a kernel patch. any suggestions where to start? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-eeepc-devel/2008-October/001289.html |
| 22:24.07 | mentalmonkey | stew: in fact dvd,dvdrw,cdrw,cdrom all point to /dev/hda ? |
| 22:24.07 | stew | DukeDrake: you can see if /proc/config.gz exists |
| 22:24.13 | stew | mentalmonkey: hmm |
| 22:24.14 | pengwyn | twobitsprite, thanks, I will try like hell to remember that |
| 22:24.19 | dustybin | whats the deal with 64-bit linux? im thinking about upgrading the CPU in my server, is there any point in installing 64-bit linux / apps (if they exist?) |
| 22:24.25 | DukeDrake | stew: not either |
| 22:24.40 | DukeDrake | I'm afraid the only thing I have is the pure kernel |
| 22:24.54 | pengwyn | twobitsprite, in case i don't though, i will always vice versa *it* |
| 22:25.16 | timecist | hi, i just installed etch, and now when i apt-get install mysql-server, i get an error that says mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.0 which is not going to be installed. wtf? |
| 22:25.22 | stew | DukeDrake: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:25.24 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.33 | DukeDrake | 2.4.21 |
| 22:25.42 | stew | timecist: show us the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.0" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:26.03 | stew | DukeDrake: oh, yeah, that's some custom kernel. you'll have to ask whomever compiled it for the config |
| 22:26.15 | mentalmonkey | stew: do I need to create a node? |
| 22:26.19 | DukeDrake | >.> |
| 22:26.23 | stew | mentalmonkey: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 22:26.40 | mentalmonkey | stew: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 22:26.44 | stew | mentalmonkey: and does "pgrep udevd" return a number? or nothing |
| 22:26.50 | DukeDrake | I compiled it back some years. The host System where it was compiled doesn't exist anymore >.> |
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| 22:27.03 | mentalmonkey | stew: 1221 |
| 22:27.09 | stew | DukeDrake: then no, you can't get the config |
| 22:27.15 | DukeDrake | ok, thanx. |
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| 22:27.26 | stew | mentalmonkey: then no, you shoudln't have to create a node, udev should be doing it for you |
| 22:27.51 | mentalmonkey | stew: so should I restart/reload udev? |
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| 22:28.45 | stew | mentalmonkey: i don't know. i'm not sure why udevinfo wouldn't know about hda, especially after having pointed /dev/cdrom at it |
| 22:29.26 | pengwyn | it's prbably sata + |
| 22:29.37 | pengwyn | it's prbably sata + ide |
| 22:29.53 | pengwyn | guessing |
| 22:30.26 | pengwyn | if you can hack grub then reboot |
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| 22:30.41 | pengwyn | if not then wait |
| 22:30.58 | mentalmonkey | stew: I'm restarting udev |
| 22:31.05 | anddam | hello |
| 22:31.24 | anddam | how can I get the current runlevel? |
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| 22:32.42 | Piet | anddam: surprisingly easy: runlevel |
| 22:32.54 | mentalmonkey | stew: I'm restarting, and crossing fingers |
| 22:32.59 | timecist | http://pastebin.com/m77d0d91b |
| 22:33.05 | stew | anddam: "/sbin/runlevel" returns "previousrunlevel currentrunlevel" |
| 22:33.09 | anddam | it's sbin |
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| 22:33.11 | anddam | thanks |
| 22:33.33 | mentalmonkey | yes there is something fishy with udev |
| 22:33.35 | anddam | the point is clock is completely wrong but I'm supposed to be running ntp |
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| 22:34.19 | anddam | seems ntpd died silently |
| 22:35.12 | scales11 | ok i see that locate is not setup to search all files by default http://wiki.debian.org/locate but what is the name of the file that i need to fix? |
| 22:35.15 | pengwyn | reinstalio |
| 22:35.38 | pengwyn | reinstali0 ntpd |
| 22:35.46 | lancelot | how to make a module active from boot? |
| 22:35.55 | abrotman | /etc/modules |
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| 22:36.18 | sly007 | Hello, I still have got debian bug 451151 with the latest etch, is that normal? |
| 22:36.28 | pengwyn | updatedb |
| 22:36.30 | anddam | pengwyn: it seems an ugly solution |
| 22:36.35 | scales11 | lancelot: edit the /etc/modules file and add your desired module |
| 22:37.01 | abrotman | sly007: uhm, it's telling you that /boot/ is having an issue |
| 22:37.08 | lancelot | thanks...it should have the same name of modprobe MODULE...right? |
| 22:37.10 | sly007 | it's mounted rw |
| 22:37.22 | pengwyn | Agreement I hate ntpd |
| 22:37.24 | timecist | stew, http://pastebin.com/m77d0d91b thanks |
| 22:37.25 | sly007 | unlike what the script says (says it's ro) |
| 22:37.28 | abrotman | sly007: and that wasn't patched til after etch's release ? |
| 22:37.40 | sly007 | abrotman: don't know |
| 22:37.46 | sly007 | i am asking |
| 22:37.53 | scales11 | lancelot: yeah i believe so |
| 22:37.54 | abrotman | judd: versions initramfs-tools |
| 22:37.55 | judd | abrotman: initramfs-tools: 0.85i (etch) 0.92j~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 0.92j (lenny) 0.92l (sid) |
| 22:38.06 | abrotman | initramfs-tools_0.91c.dsc |
| 22:38.06 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.13 | anddam | pengwyn: no I meant reinstalling without know what happened |
| 22:38.19 | abrotman | so either get the etch-backports version .. or live with it? |
| 22:38.31 | mentalmonkey | stew pengwyn: rebooting did the trick |
| 22:38.35 | anddam | pengwyn: what do you suggest in place of ntpd? |
| 22:38.35 | sly007 | abrotman: is that for me? |
| 22:38.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:38.43 | teratoma_ | how do i figure out if someone has fixed an issue with current kernel in lenny && aacraid ? |
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| 22:39.03 | sly007 | wow, how can this possibly not be patched in the sable release? |
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| 22:40.11 | timecist | my friends, how do i install mysql? |
| 22:40.30 | Malf | I am trying to get my hp deskjet 3425 to work and I have had it running the past using hpijs drivers in cups |
| 22:40.34 | pengwyn | anddam, I honestly dont remember |
| 22:40.49 | mentalmonkey | Malf: but now? |
| 22:40.55 | Malf | Recently it stopped working. When I turn it on or unplug it I see the printer connecting to usb in dmesg |
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| 22:41.00 | jelly-home | is there a way to dpms-off one head only (on an i915 graphic card, fwiw)? |
| 22:41.03 | Malf | but it doesn't show up on lsusb, hplip can't find it, etc. |
| 22:41.07 | sly007 | abrotman: is there a reason etch is not patched? |
| 22:41.08 | anddam | pengwyn: what? |
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| 22:41.19 | Malf | any clever ideas on what that could be? |
| 22:41.26 | pengwyn | anddam, what does IPCop use? |
| 22:41.30 | mentalmonkey | Malf: both cups and lpd are started? |
| 22:41.55 | mentalmonkey | Malf: sounds odd, but what happens when you #hp-setup ? |
| 22:42.08 | cafuego | timecist: aptitude install mysql-server |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | sly007: it's "stable"? |
| 22:42.41 | Malf | mentalmonkey: I don't see anything called lpd running. hp-setup starts up and doesn't find the usb device |
| 22:42.45 | anddam | òen g |
| 22:42.57 | sly007 | abrotman: there's a bug to it |
| 22:43.02 | abrotman | sly007: it's "stable"? |
| 22:43.03 | anddam | pengwyn: I'm not even sure what ipcop is. isn't it a firewall distro? |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | !tell sly007 about meaning of stable |
| 22:43.15 | mentalmonkey | Malf: do you have lpd? do a #/etc/init.d/lpd start |
| 22:43.19 | Malf | I'm also in testing |
| 22:43.22 | Malf | no I don't |
| 22:43.25 | mentalmonkey | Malf: me too |
| 22:43.40 | mentalmonkey | Malf: interesting I'm not used to printing without lpd |
| 22:43.50 | sly007 | abrotman: so I should use testing or sid |
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| 22:43.59 | timecist | oh aptitude. is says the following packages are BROKEN: mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server-5.0 |
| 22:44.02 | hudu | How do I install a '.deb' package? I downloaded 'openprinting-ppds-postscript-brother_20081112-1lsb3.2_all.deb' ... and need some guidance. I asked dpkg and couldn't find the right question. |
| 22:44.12 | edgardoweb | hi |
| 22:44.17 | edgardoweb | good nigth |
| 22:44.27 | cafuego | timecist: Run 'aptitude upgrade' fist |
| 22:44.30 | cafuego | first, too |
| 22:44.31 | abrotman | sly007: that's up to you |
| 22:44.45 | sly007 | what about etch-backports? |
| 22:44.47 | cafuego | Erm, aptiotde update && aptitude upgrade even |
| 22:45.00 | crashanddie_ | aptiotde? Is that a custom user script or something? |
| 22:45.03 | cafuego | slaps self; wake up! |
| 22:45.14 | crashanddie_ | does that get diodes to flicker when updates are available? |
| 22:45.19 | timecist | still broken |
| 22:45.25 | anddam | crashanddie: it's probably a typo on aptitude |
| 22:45.36 | crashanddie_ | wow, thanks captain obvious :) |
| 22:45.37 | mentalmonkey | Malf: well I always like doing a depmod -ae, have you done one lately? |
| 22:45.43 | cafuego | timecist: can you paste the entire error to a apstebin? |
| 22:45.49 | Malf | mentalmonkey: That I have not. |
| 22:46.02 | mentalmonkey | Malf: won't hurt, could help |
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| 22:46.41 | mentalmonkey | Malf: so you are getting nothing when you issue, lsusb as root? |
| 22:46.46 | Malf | mentalmonkey: Yeah it ran quietly |
| 22:46.54 | pengwyn | anddam, I cant remmeber |
| 22:47.00 | Malf | Malf: I'm getting a list of my usb ports but no printer showing up on them |
| 22:47.16 | pengwyn | it was something && something |
| 22:47.17 | mentalmonkey | Malf: unplug and then plug in and hope that udev takes care of it |
| 22:47.34 | mentalmonkey | Malf: I just had a udev related problem myself so I'm wondering if somethings going on there |
| 22:47.37 | Malf | mentalmonkey: Yeah tried that earlier, swapping ports around as well |
| 22:47.39 | Malf | mentalmonkey: Could be |
| 22:47.55 | mentalmonkey | Malf: restart |
| 22:48.04 | mentalmonkey | Malf: if it isn't a big loss, that is |
| 22:48.16 | Malf | mentalmonkey: It has been a while. I probably should |
| 22:48.40 | Malf | mentalmonkey: Yeah definitely something weird going on when I move usb connections around. Restart it is. Thanks |
| 22:48.45 | mentalmonkey | Malf: I had an uptime of 10 days on my laptop - all gone :) but my optical drive works now |
| 22:48.52 | mentalmonkey | owell |
| 22:48.54 | timecist | http://pastebin.com/df0c3b9b |
| 22:48.54 | mentalmonkey | :) |
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| 22:51.34 | sly007 | Does anyone know how to jail user ssh-ing to their account? |
| 22:51.46 | hudu | I tried opening a terminal, going to the directory with the file and typing 'aptitude install openprinting-ppds-postscript-brother_20081112-1lsb3.2_all.deb' ... But I got a bunch of, ' Couldn't find any package whose name...' and 'No packages will be installed...' any help here? |
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| 22:52.00 | sly007 | I don't want them to see anything but their home dir |
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| 22:52.12 | cafuego | hudu: apt-get install openprinting...deb |
| 22:52.22 | d-b | so set the permissions right and chroot them. |
| 22:52.23 | cafuego | hudu: no! dpkg -i openprinting...dbe |
| 22:52.28 | mentalmonkey | Malf: any luck? |
| 22:52.37 | Malf | mentalmonkey: Hah works now. As terrible as losing my slightly less measly 17 days of uptime is |
| 22:52.38 | petemc | sly007: rbash, or more limited scponly |
| 22:52.42 | Malf | mentalmonkey: Thanks. |
| 22:52.53 | mentalmonkey | Malf: np, glad it works!! |
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| 22:53.04 | cafuego | timecist: Can you install libdbd-mysql-perl and/or libdbi-perl? |
| 22:53.14 | hudu | cafuego: thanks so much |
| 22:53.19 | Malf | Maybe one day I'll actually pay closer attention to what gets updated when I update. |
| 22:53.20 | cafuego | np |
| 22:53.22 | Malf | But probably not... |
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| 22:53.57 | timecist | no candidate versions found |
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| 22:54.08 | xst | In the command "tar -zxf example.tgz foo/bar/baz" how can I prevent tar from creating the "foo/bar/" dir and only output "baz"? |
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| 22:54.20 | cafuego | timecist: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list as well? |
| 22:55.24 | timecist | http://pastebin.com/d5e534014 |
| 22:56.18 | cafuego | !info libdbi-perl etch |
| 22:56.49 | dpkg | libdbi-perl: (Perl5 database interface by Tim Bunce), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.53-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 659 kB, Installed size: 1592 kB |
| 22:57.04 | cafuego | timecist: oic. You lack a full online repo. |
| 22:57.42 | timecist | i err uh did not know that |
| 22:59.15 | cafuego | if you run apt-setup it'll get your add mirrors. |
| 22:59.38 | cafuego | timecist: What you have now is 1 CD plus security fixes, but cd #1 contains only 1/9th of all apckages. |
| 22:59.56 | timecist | oh that makes sense. thanks |
| 23:00.19 | cafuego | So,when you add a full online mirror and fetch new lists, all will be fine. |
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| 23:00.40 | cafuego | Don't forget to tweak the mysql server config; the default is really bad. |
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| 23:06.49 | unfo | hi all. I own an SD card which's been flaky for a while. This week I suspended my PC to disk for the first time in a long time. I don't think the ext3 volume on the SD card was mounted. Now, when I try to mount the SD card, I get an error that it is write-protected. This is a new problem, and I don't want it. |
| 23:06.49 | unfo | The hardware card lock switch is set to unlocked. Also, in the root directory of the SD card there is a file named .suspended. 1. Why might it be mounting read-only? 2. What does the .suspended file mean? |
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| 23:14.46 | unfo | (Since no answer, now crosspasted to ##kernel.) |
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| 23:17.41 | helo | i was having some trouble with a thumb drive being noticed at all in lenny, and when i tried an older kernel, it worked |
| 23:18.01 | unfo | helo: are you talking to me or to someone else? :) |
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| 23:18.10 | helo | i am talking to myself |
| 23:18.10 | zinx | helo: what brand+model thumb drive? |
| 23:19.08 | helo | hmmmm... i had to give it back... heh |
| 23:19.13 | helo | i'm thinking it was a traveldrive |
| 23:19.27 | zinx | memorex then |
| 23:19.35 | zinx | and it's entirely possible it was U3 :x |
| 23:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | helo, that's nice, you can also always tell yourself some jokes you don't know yet :) |
| 23:20.04 | zinx | helo: it probably worked with the newer kernel, it just has two devices instead of the normal one device - one is only for windows to autorun some software |
| 23:20.12 | unfo | unfo: When you open Windows, bugs get in. |
| 23:20.16 | unfo | haha lol |
| 23:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfo, perhaps the filesystem on it is tainted |
| 23:20.30 | unfo | googles to see what that means |
| 23:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean |
| 23:20.36 | helo | heh |
| 23:20.38 | zinx | helo: if you end up with another one, you need to mount the flash drive manually i guess. it's mounting the CD drive by default :x |
| 23:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | like ... would force an fsck on boot |
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| 23:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would make it ro |
| 23:20.56 | helo | looking at dmesg didn't even mention that a usb device was plugged in |
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| 23:21.03 | dan2 | hey guys |
| 23:21.07 | unfo | hey |
| 23:21.07 | unfo | let me try (sudo fsck -ap) |
| 23:21.10 | zinx | helo: or if you want to be nasty, you can disable U3 (note that all data on the drive will be destroyed when you do so, though) |
| 23:21.19 | dan2 | just curious, is there any reason a regular v4l driver based webcam wouldn't work with the v4l2 grabbing interface |
| 23:21.22 | zinx | helo: oh, strange |
| 23:21.26 | dan2 | my webcam will not work with v4l2 |
| 23:21.29 | dan2 | works fine with v4l |
| 23:21.38 | unfo | dan2: Just curious: what are you trying to do with your webcam? |
| 23:21.43 | unfo | :) |
| 23:21.43 | helo | i noticed there is an update to hal... wonder if that fixed it... |
| 23:21.50 | dan2 | unfo: use ekiga or linphone |
| 23:21.59 | zinx | helo: possibly. dmesg should have still listed it, though |
| 23:22.14 | unfo | dan2: So why not use v4l1? :) |
| 23:22.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfo, did you ever reboot properly since? perhaps something is just in some weird state... |
| 23:22.37 | zinx | dan2: the linux-uvc drivers suck something terrible.. that's one possible reason |
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| 23:23.02 | dan2 | unfo: the applications these days are lacking support for v4l |
| 23:23.04 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: I rebooted once, but I left the drive unplugged while rebooting so that Debian wouldn't fsck the vfat partition on the drive. It didn't help. |
| 23:23.11 | unfo | dan2: both ekiga and linphone are? |
| 23:23.17 | helo | anyone know where i can read what fixes are included in the latest upgrade of some package? (hal in this case) |
| 23:23.29 | dan2 | unfo: latest ekiga (snapshot), linphone no |
| 23:23.34 | dan2 | but linphone has it's own series of issues |
| 23:23.35 | helo | i should know this by now... |
| 23:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfo, I was more thinking about the system claiming that the ro-switch was on (if it does that) |
| 23:23.38 | zinx | helo: /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog |
| 23:24.03 | zinx | helo: or you can get that apt-listchanges thing, or <insert clever method of viewing changelogs here> |
| 23:24.15 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know if it claims that. |
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| 23:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfo, what about mounting it rw yourself manally... |
| 23:25.13 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: It fails to mount. "mount: block device /dev/sda2 is write-protected but explicit `-w' flag given" |
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| 23:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | "-w"? |
| 23:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird |
| 23:26.01 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: means "-o rw" |
| 23:26.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 23:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | why doesn't it say that :) |
| 23:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | wriggle the write-protect switch on/off |
| 23:26.33 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: because I wrote "-w". |
| 23:26.38 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: tried that, doesn't help. |
| 23:26.58 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: (sudo fsck -p /dev/sda) fails with the error "fsck.ext3: Read-only file system while trying to open /dev/sda2" |
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| 23:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | buy a new stick :) |
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| 23:29.49 | n3kl | What is the best way to take third party sourcecode and make a debian package out of it? |
| 23:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | or flash drive, that is |
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| 23:30.19 | unfo | n3kl: what is the name and URL of the third party sourcecode? |
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| 23:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what's "best" |
| 23:30.59 | n3kl | unfo: x264: git clone git://git.videolan.org/x264.git |
| 23:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is only one clear and direct answer I can give |
| 23:31.10 | n3kl | easiest |
| 23:31.13 | enouf | n3kl: likely buildd |
| 23:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, depends! |
| 23:31.16 | n3kl | and that is? |
| 23:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, ok, easiest is probably checkinstall |
| 23:31.51 | enouf | !checkinstall |
| 23:31.51 | dpkg | methinks checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because of bug #281823 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 23:32.07 | n3kl | ah, I used checkinstall lots back in slackware |
| 23:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, "best" would be to do it like a real maintainer does it - with applying patches, crosschecking 1000 things, doing test-compiles in chroots to get everyting right... |
| 23:32.31 | unfo | n3kl: see http://www.google.com/search?debian+x264+package |
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| 23:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | .... at least in the rare cases that checkinstall works properly |
| 23:33.30 | n3kl | unfo: its out of date |
| 23:34.27 | unfo | n3kl: what do you mean? so download, dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us, then install |
| 23:34.57 | unfo | n3kl: did you look at http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/package/x264.php also? |
| 23:34.58 | enouf | nah |
| 23:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, are you sleeping again? |
| 23:35.20 | n3kl | unfo: that is where I got the package |
| 23:35.26 | n3kl | unfo: the one I have now |
| 23:35.29 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: yep ;-) |
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| 23:35.39 | unfo | n3kl: what Debian version are you on? and what is the error when you try to install? |
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| 23:35.57 | I440r | ok got a question for ya. is it possible to do a libc8 install of debian? |
| 23:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, if you do have a package, you can perhaps just plug in a newer source, add a line to changelog, see if the patches still work and build |
| 23:36.00 | enouf | n3kl: be specific! :-P |
| 23:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you snore! |
| 23:36.08 | unfo | I440r: why? |
| 23:36.10 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: I asked my dad (a photographer) for advice, and he said to try a different reader. It worked. I am investigating. |
| 23:36.32 | I440r | unfo because libc8 supports some forms of "wait for multiple object" |
| 23:36.33 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, my nostrils suck in the world :-) |
| 23:36.37 | sylarr | is there anything that shows the real memory usage information per process? I think htop is showing me each thread with all memory |
| 23:36.37 | n3kl | I just need the latest version of x264 for some of the specific options that it provides. |
| 23:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I see the rainforests disappearing from this world... |
| 23:37.03 | unfo | I440r: dunno. Ask the libc8 developers what distro they recommend. |
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| 23:37.24 | I440r | erm. what channel are THEY in? :) |
| 23:37.26 | osmosis | what is in /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/django ? what is 'python-support' for ? |
| 23:37.35 | unfo | n3kl: but is x264 fully legal for you to use in your country? |
| 23:37.47 | unfo | I440r: Dunno. Email them. |
| 23:37.54 | I440r | :/ |
| 23:38.02 | unfo | I440r: why doesn't regular libc support the feature you want? |
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| 23:38.18 | n3kl | unfo: I don't know if I really care |
| 23:38.32 | enouf | sylarr: read this http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ then follow the url |
| 23:38.32 | n3kl | isnt that why the debian-multimedia was created? |
| 23:38.54 | sylarr | enouf, thanks |
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| 23:39.02 | sylarr | reading |
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| 23:39.06 | unfo | n3kl: if it is legal, you should get someone to support the package. If not, I don't really feel like helping you with x264. :) No offense. Are there no alternatives to x264 that will work ok for you? If not, why not? |
| 23:39.07 | I440r | because regular libc doesnt have some of the newer features that libc8 has. im porting windows code to linux. windows can wait for multiple objects and multiple TYPES of object. like wait for an event, a fd, a thread and a whatever ALL in one call. |
| 23:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://debian-warez.org |
| 23:39.18 | unfo | I440r: what code are you porting? |
| 23:39.21 | I440r | immagine select waiting on a thread to complete, stuff to com in on a socket etc etc |
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| 23:39.32 | I440r | commercial application :) |
| 23:39.39 | unfo | CutMeOwnThroat: lol :) |
| 23:39.55 | unfo | I440r: please come join me in #winehq, then state your entire question over again, ok? |
| 23:40.03 | n3kl | unfo: x264 provides the best compression to quality available. |
| 23:40.15 | n3kl | My question is not about x264, iyts about building source |
| 23:40.17 | enouf | I440r: please don |
| 23:40.19 | unfo | n3kl: worse compression won't kill you, and is easier to set up. |
| 23:40.22 | enouf | I440r: please don't |
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| 23:40.28 | n3kl | unfo: not the point |
| 23:40.42 | I440r | enouf eh? |
| 23:40.44 | unfo | n3kl: for help building source, see channel #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. Please do tell them that you are building it for yourself, not for Debian. |
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| 23:41.06 | themill | judd versions x264 |
| 23:41.07 | judd | themill: x264: 0.svn20070309-4.1etch1 (etch-multimedia) 1:0.svn20080712-0.1 (lenny-multimedia) 1:0.svn20080712-0.1 (sid-multimedia) |
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| 23:41.24 | unfo | n3kl: mention that you need a newer version of x264 than comes in debian-multimedia. They will probably point you to uupdate. Or to what themill pointed you to. |
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| 23:41.32 | mewshi|wc | how long did kernel compiles take in 93? |
| 23:41.39 | n3kl | unfo: yeah, cause it would be a shame to get this working and then submit patches to marilat over at the debian-multimedia project |
| 23:41.47 | enouf | I440r: "im porting windows code to linux." <== Please don't!! |
| 23:41.54 | unfo | enouf: why not? |
| 23:41.59 | unfo | n3kl: if you are doing this not just for yourself, then tell them that. |
| 23:42.23 | enouf | a) windows weenies suck ass |
| 23:42.45 | enouf | b) Bloat Bloat Bloat |
| 23:42.55 | unfo | enouf: please do not semi-personally attack 90% of the population. :) |
| 23:43.08 | unfo | there is lots of unbloated Windows code. e.g. uTorrent |
| 23:43.12 | enouf | c) no Unix Philosophy |
| 23:43.22 | sylarr | enouf, exmap? |
| 23:43.52 | I440r | enof im IMPROVING it! |
| 23:43.53 | enouf | i said "please" ffs |
| 23:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start an os war |
| 23:43.57 | dpkg | Unix is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 23:44.38 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: can you please tell me what I should read to "compile like a real debian develiper" |
| 23:44.39 | sylarr | dpkg resistance is futile |
| 23:44.39 | dpkg | sylarr: okay |
| 23:44.59 | lepine_w | can anyone point me towards a project, or the appropriate google keywords for booting a functional debian system with pxe ... not just an installation ... but the whole thing ... and NOT ltsp style ... i want all processes to run locally |
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| 23:45.20 | unfo | lepine_w: why do you want to use pxe? do you lack a CD drive? |
| 23:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 23:45.24 | enouf | dpkg: forget resistance |
| 23:45.24 | dpkg | i forgot resistance, enouf |
| 23:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 23:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | kicks dpkg |
| 23:45.40 | lepine_w | unfo: because i have 40 machiens i want to boot at thesame time. |
| 23:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | true! |
| 23:45.54 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you so much |
| 23:45.56 | unfo | lepine_w: ah. I don't know the answer unfortunately |
| 23:45.57 | lepine_w | not time ti wasted walking down the aisle with a cd |
| 23:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, and when you read and understood all that, you can explain it to me :) |
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| 23:46.58 | unfo | I440r: please could you join me in #winehq? |
| 23:47.02 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: I take it you are not a dev? |
| 23:47.08 | petemc | lepine_w: nfsroot? |
| 23:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | no :) |
| 23:47.26 | lepine_w | that being a project? or just having / mounted through nfs? |
| 23:47.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, else the last comment would have been fatal, right? |
| 23:47.34 | lepine_w | i don't really care |
| 23:47.43 | n3kl | could be |
| 23:47.44 | lepine_w | i just want to try some parallel computing |
| 23:48.00 | petemc | lepine_w: what is it you want exactly? kick off the install or run the machines? |
| 23:48.02 | enouf | n3kl: CutMeOwnThroat doesn't even know deb-src != deb ;-) |
| 23:48.12 | lepine_w | run the machines ... (looking at debian live right now_ |
| 23:48.24 | n3kl | enouf: nice |
| 23:48.38 | unfo | I440r: ping |
| 23:48.41 | enouf | !break CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:48.41 | dpkg | tells CutMeOwnThroat how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 23:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | clogs enouf over the head with a 20 pounds wooden hammer - keep sleeping! |
| 23:48.49 | n3kl | lepine_w: what are you going to use to distribute your processes? |
| 23:49.00 | lepine_w | i was going to try python w/ pyro |
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| 23:49.13 | enouf | n3kl: but - he is generally helpful ;-) |
| 23:49.20 | lepine_w | perhaps hadoop eventually |
| 23:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hits enouf over the head with a 40 pounds wooden hammer - keep sleeping, damnit! |
| 23:49.34 | n3kl | enouf: indeed |
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| 23:49.59 | lepine_w | i just get a boner about doing compute bound stuff ... i don't know what, or how exactly, yet :) |
| 23:50.05 | m_dige | Hi guys. I just entered wrong values for at post-install script of the package fprobe. How do I request to run the post-install scripts again ? |
| 23:50.07 | timecist | gross |
| 23:50.19 | m_dige | aptitude shows the package as being half-configured |
| 23:50.29 | enouf | asks : what's with these flies lately - they seem a bit heavy lately ;-) |
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| 23:51.21 | nick_fn | Is there an argument I can give 'apt-get upgrade' to have it show me the URLs it'll download from? Then I can do the download somewhere faster, and pop the deb files in a local cache dir? |
| 23:51.25 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you still haven |
| 23:51.40 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you still haven't learned tab completion? |
| 23:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | m_dige, apt-get install <package> --reinstall ; but if it's calling it half-configured, something is wrong |
| 23:51.58 | xdr | enouf: itä's hard you know ;) |
| 23:52.03 | enouf | ... |
| 23:52.13 | unfo | nick_fn: there are a few ways to do it. But why do you want to? |
| 23:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, no, I'm as sharp as a rubber ball, you know? |
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| 23:52.29 | enouf | bingo bozo |
| 23:52.33 | nick_fn | unfo: because it wants to download 1GB, and I don't have much bandwidth left on this DSL line |
| 23:52.47 | nick_fn | so I'll do the download somewhere else |
| 23:52.53 | unfo | nick_fn: what wants to download 1GB? |
| 23:53.17 | nick_fn | unfo: apt-get upgrade does. "Need to get 1738MB/1853MB of archives." |
| 23:53.23 | nick_fn | so actually 1.7GB... |
| 23:53.32 | themill | nick_fn: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 23:53.33 | unfo | nick_fn: so upgrade from DVD |
| 23:54.04 | nick_fn | themill: ta |
| 23:55.47 | m_dige | CutMeOwnThroat: Well apt-get install fprobe --reinstall does now run the configuration scripts again |
| 23:56.05 | m_dige | CutMeOwnThroat: neither does dpkg --configure fprobe |
| 23:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should... |
| 23:56.31 | unfo | all: was "so upgrade from DVD" reasonable advice for me to give to nick_fn? |
| 23:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you can remove it, do dpkg --purge |
| 23:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you'd start from scratch |
| 23:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfo, apt-zip was better :) |
| 23:57.10 | nick_fn | unfo: I suppose I could download an ISO at work |
| 23:57.23 | m_dige | CutMeOwnThroat: purge fprobe and reinstall did the trick. Thanks |
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| 23:57.33 | ruelps | Hello. |
| 23:57.36 | nick_fn | unfo: but grabbing just the packages my apt wants, seems faster... |
| 23:57.53 | unfo | nick_fn: I dunno what to recommend then. |
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| 23:58.12 | ruelps | My Thinkpad T43 Harddisk makes a strange noise somehow. If i use hdparm -y it stops. |
| 23:58.23 | ruelps | does anyone know how to solve this problem? |
| 23:58.27 | unfo | ruelps: what does the noise sound like? |
| 23:58.38 | nick_fn | unfo: I'm going to do this: http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html |
| 23:58.41 | nick_fn | seems just right |
| 23:58.43 | themill | unfo: there are tools like apt-zip already in the archive to help with this. Saves grabbing the entire dvd |
| 23:58.47 | ruelps | constant *rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr* |
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| 23:59.11 | unfo | themill: oh. nick_fn: so forget my ISO suggestion. It sounds like it's unideal. |
| 23:59.15 | themill | ruelps: is it stuck on Talk Like a Pirate Day? |
| 23:59.30 | ruelps | huh? |
| 23:59.38 | ruelps | what? |
| 23:59.40 | themill | ruelps: ignore me... |
