| 00:00.10 | dmoerner | ruelps, i had that problem and it was the ac adapter that was causing the problem |
| 00:00.13 | dmoerner | do you experience this on battery as well? |
| 00:00.14 | ruelps | wtf, it just stopped... |
| 00:00.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 00:00.25 | ruelps | strange |
| 00:00.40 | ruelps | thank you anyway |
| 00:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !miracleheal ruelps |
| 00:00.50 | dpkg | stretches out his hands over ruelps in a gesture of blessing, silently chanting "heal, heal". And the miracle happens: before, ruelps was blind and deaf, now he walks again! |
| 00:01.19 | ruelps | ok. |
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| 00:02.04 | ruelps | dmoerner: didn't try it on battery |
| 00:02.24 | ruelps | why does the ac adapter cause a strange hardisk noise? |
| 00:03.36 | entaro | halp |
| 00:04.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could if it doesn't provide a high enough current/voltage to run the disk properly, I guess |
| 00:05.49 | entaro | blah |
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| 00:11.01 | ruelps | ok, the noise is back |
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| 00:11.27 | ruelps | but it doesn't seem to have to do with the ac adapter |
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| 00:12.51 | unfo | n3kl: How's progress? :) |
| 00:13.08 | unfo | dan2: Do neither ekiga nor linphone support v4l1 anymore? |
| 00:13.13 | EugenMayer | hello, iam trying to test my boot with the raid. How to "disble" destroy my grub-installation on sda to see if the system boots from sdb? |
| 00:13.21 | ruelps | i didn't have the problem with the harddisk noise with ubuntu :/ |
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| 00:15.11 | unfo | EugenMayer: why don't you just chainloader over to sdb? |
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| 00:16.59 | EugenMayer | unfo: sda will be exchanged tonigth. The server has to boot from sdb2 then, as grub is installed from sda. Now i install grub on sdb eithe ( with device (hd0) /dev/sdb) and would like to test it |
| 00:17.08 | Si1ver1ock | are there any strip and build scripts for #debian |
| 00:17.30 | unfo | EugenMayer: did you try the Grub command "chainloader (hd0,1)+1"? |
| 00:18.34 | EugenMayer | unfo not sure what that is |
| 00:18.51 | EugenMayer | unfo: that box is remote, i dont have a lara console there ( just for the info ) |
| 00:19.43 | unfo | EugenMayer: what is lara? |
| 00:19.51 | unfo | EugenMayer: please join me in #grub and re-ask your question. |
| 00:20.02 | unfo | Si1ver1ock: what are you trying to do? why? |
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| 00:21.23 | Si1ver1ock | i'd like to strip a debian machine down to the metal or as close as possible the rebuild using state information from either the current machine or some other |
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| 00:22.10 | Si1ver1ock | s/the/them |
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| 00:25.47 | b3ta | hi can i remove a package completly using apt-get? |
| 00:25.58 | Si1ver1ock | b3ta: |
| 00:26.02 | Si1ver1ock | purge |
| 00:26.12 | Si1ver1ock | i thingk |
| 00:26.20 | b3ta | purge <package-name> |
| 00:26.21 | b3ta | ? |
| 00:26.30 | EugenMayer | apt-get remove --purge pkg |
| 00:26.38 | unfo | b3ta: what are you trying to do and why? :) |
| 00:26.46 | Si1ver1ock | what EugenMayer says |
| 00:27.16 | b3ta | some one given me a machine with a messed up config of postfix,i just want to clean it,and to re-install from start |
| 00:27.29 | b3ta | so the config files also will get deleted? |
| 00:27.52 | Si1ver1ock | should, unless |
| 00:27.58 | Si1ver1ock | ... |
| 00:28.10 | b3ta | ... |
| 00:28.29 | Si1ver1ock | depends on how messed up things are |
| 00:28.47 | Si1ver1ock | if it is just postfix then it should |
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| 00:29.05 | b3ta | ok thx |
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| 00:29.09 | b3ta | let me try |
| 00:29.20 | r3m | Hi is there an open source program to make .ico |
| 00:29.41 | Si1ver1ock | gimp |
| 00:29.48 | r3m | thx |
| 00:30.06 | b3ta | :) |
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| 00:43.48 | unfo | hi all. I speak French. My $LANGUAGE is fr_CA.UTF-8:fr_FR.UTF-8:fr_FR:fr and my $LANG is fr_FR.UTF-8. Does that seem correct? |
| 00:43.57 | unfo | (My $LC_LANG is unset.) |
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| 00:44.44 | EugenMayer | unfo: looks good |
| 00:44.55 | ricosecada | I have a PC with AGPx8 running with a Nvidia 6200 with 256 MB ram. I would like to upgrade the card if possible, but I can't seem to locate a Nvidia card running on AGP that is better than the 6200. If I where to purchase an ATI instead, how well does the drivers work? |
| 00:45.00 | k-man | where does the reportbug program get the smtp server from to send the email? |
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| 00:46.16 | EugenMayer | ricosecada: there is a 6600 wich is quite better then the 6200. But every AGP solution is extremly expensiv ( buying new ) I used and use ATI cards under debian ( x1400 and 1800x ) and they both work well. AMD is doing a better work then ATI before |
| 00:46.24 | dmoerner | ricosecada, ati radeon 9xxx are agp cards with free drivers that support 3d |
| 00:48.00 | EugenMayer | ricosecada: i would not advice you to stay with AGP when buying a new card. This is wasting of money. You will spend 2x more on the hard having 2x less performance. Instead buy a PCIE board and buy a card beeing half-expensive as the AGP counterpart but more powerfull |
| 00:48.12 | unfo | all, GCC seems to emit utf8-encoded error messages. Xterm shows them extremely wrong -- so wrong that they are unreadable. How do I get xterm to display them correctly? |
| 00:48.42 | EugenMayer | unfo: is your xterm unicode-able ? |
| 00:48.47 | ricosecada | EugenMayer, good advice! Thanks! |
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| 00:50.22 | ringo999 | anyone got debian running on macbook? did you get your isight to work? |
| 00:50.36 | unfo | ringo999: I don't have a macbook. But did you google first? :) |
| 00:51.03 | unfo | EugenMayer: dunno. I am using xterm version 235 (Debian xterm/235-1). Does that sound unicode-capable? |
| 00:51.09 | unfo | installs rxvt |
| 00:51.09 | ringo999 | unfo: yes I did... and kernel 2.6.26 that is |
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| 00:52.09 | GhostlyDeath | hey... |
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| 00:52.12 | unfo | hi |
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| 00:52.26 | GhostlyDeath | What's that game with the emerald icon and where you play as a half elf |
| 00:52.37 | unfo | GhostlyDeath: please describe to us more. |
| 00:52.40 | GhostlyDeath | and everyone thinks your queen stole the gems but it was really the robber? |
| 00:52.51 | GhostlyDeath | unfo: A game I played, on the debian repo |
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| 00:52.59 | tim__ | hi all, just a quick one - think i may be being thick. What does a 'cannot chdir from foo to bar' error mean when trying to rm -rf a directory? is it a permissions thing? |
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| 00:53.15 | GhostlyDeath | Started with an A |
| 00:53.17 | GhostlyDeath | I think |
| 00:53.22 | verne | hrm.. anyone happen to know the answer to this? ____ is a relatively new protocol (since 1999) that is based on the HTTP protocol. LPD, CUPS, IPP, SMB? |
| 00:53.25 | unfo | tim__: Dunno. Why are you trying to rm -rf a directory? :) |
| 00:53.45 | unfo | verne: Dunno. Why do you ask? |
| 00:53.47 | tim__ | it's part of a deploy script for a web application |
| 00:53.53 | verne | bc i cant find it anywhere |
| 00:53.54 | verne | :\ |
| 00:53.59 | unfo | tim__: it requires rm -rf? |
| 00:54.00 | tim__ | remove the logs directory that's checked out of svn |
| 00:54.13 | unfo | tim__: try to rm -rf it by yourself. |
| 00:54.14 | tim__ | and symlink it to a more sensible place to keep logs |
| 00:54.21 | tim__ | hah |
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| 00:54.24 | tim__ | yeah i thought of that |
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| 00:54.43 | tim__ | the trouble is the deploy script is far too clever and rolls back the deploy as soon as it hits an error |
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| 00:55.06 | tim__ | which makes investigating it rather difficult |
| 00:55.09 | unfo | all, how do I change to the "Huge" font (called "10x20") in rxvt? |
| 00:55.12 | tim__ | i'll see if i can disable that |
| 00:55.16 | unfo | tim__: please do not press Enter in the middle of sentences. |
| 00:55.24 | tim__ | aajh, sorry :-) |
| 00:55.27 | unfo | :) |
| 00:55.40 | squisher | so do only bugfixes get uploaded to unstable right now, or also new packages with new features (but they won't go into testing, obviously)? |
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| 00:56.32 | squisher | People have been asking about xfce 4.4.3 and I don't want to spread the wrong information... |
| 00:56.54 | unfo | squisher: are you an xfce developer? |
| 00:57.01 | squisher | unfo, sorta, yeah |
| 00:57.16 | squisher | why? |
| 00:57.22 | unfo | just curious. |
| 00:57.24 | squisher | :) |
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| 00:58.34 | unfo | tim__: what web application? Is it freeware? Is it in Debian? |
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| 00:58.51 | tim__ | the webapp is my clients |
| 00:59.09 | tim__ | the deploy script is capistrano (ruby deployment thing) |
| 00:59.17 | unfo | is capistrano in debian? |
| 00:59.44 | tim__ | well, it's in gems, which is in debian. cap doesn't run on the server though, it just executes commands remotely over ssh |
| 00:59.51 | unfo | verne: repeat: why do you ask? And why are you in 4 OT channels? :) |
| 01:00.05 | unfo | tim__: can you use capistrano locally not over ssh? |
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| 01:00.57 | screamingbytes | is XFCE 4.4.3 available or going to be available in any dist of deb soon? |
| 01:00.58 | tim__ | hmm, not that i know of. I can replicate what it's doing fairly easily though |
| 01:01.16 | unfo | screamingbytes: why do you need it? |
| 01:01.19 | unfo | :) |
| 01:01.36 | screamingbytes | A friend is asking, im using stable |
| 01:01.44 | kmeyer | maybe sid |
| 01:01.46 | unfo | screamingbytes: please send your friend here to ask. |
| 01:01.50 | screamingbytes | ill stick to whatever is on the stable distro |
| 01:01.59 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 01:02.03 | screamingbytes | why |
| 01:02.05 | kmeyer | stable is overrated |
| 01:02.18 | kmeyer | screamingbytes: because you have no reason for requiring 4.4.3 |
| 01:02.19 | unfo | screamingbytes: so that I can ask them why they need it. Then I will tell them what to do next. |
| 01:02.21 | kmeyer | maybe your friend would |
| 01:02.34 | screamingbytes | aye |
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| 01:03.15 | unfo | verne: are you there? |
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| 01:03.37 | unfo | repeat : all, how do I change to the "Huge" font (called "10x20") in rxvt? Crosspasting to #xorg. |
| 01:04.12 | squisher | unfo, I was the one wondering about it :-) |
| 01:04.53 | squisher | I'm just asking here because our debian guy is asleep right now... |
| 01:05.10 | unfo | squisher: why do you need 4.4.3? |
| 01:05.34 | squisher | unfo, well it is a bugfix release, so of course it would be nice if it was in lenny |
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| 01:05.56 | squisher | but Corsac is on top of that - if he hasn't asked for an unfreeze or whatever, then he has his reasons |
| 01:06.12 | squisher | I just don't want to tell people wrong things if they ask in the #xfce channel |
| 01:06.17 | unfo | squisher: ok. Ask him if he thinks he should request a freeze exception. |
| 01:06.18 | squisher | so I'm asking you guys here :) |
| 01:08.13 | ringo999 | ls |
| 01:08.32 | unfo | ringo999: . .. |
| 01:08.38 | ricosecada | Does the ATI driver for 3850 work on Lenny? |
| 01:08.41 | unfo | ringo999: Total 0 files; 0KB. |
| 01:09.08 | unfo | ricosecada: what is the package name of the ATI driver you want? |
| 01:09.19 | ricosecada | unfo, haven't got a clue |
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| 01:09.51 | unfo | ricosecada: find out then re-ask |
| 01:09.51 | unfo | :) |
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| 01:10.24 | ricosecada | unfo, thats kindda hard.. I am considering buying the card. |
| 01:12.00 | unfo | ricosecada: it is easy to check. see http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-glx |
| 01:12.12 | unfo | ricosecada: find out which package supports your card (regular or legacy) |
| 01:12.16 | unfo | ricosecada: then re-ask. |
| 01:12.20 | ricosecada | unfo, nvidia? |
| 01:12.24 | unfo | ricosecada: oops no, that is an ATI card :( |
| 01:12.24 | ricosecada | unfo, forget it |
| 01:12.29 | unfo | ricosecada: I was confused there. |
| 01:12.35 | Sam-Ho | bye bye, freenode |
| 01:12.42 | unfo | ricosecada: I don't know the answer to your question. Please re-ask. |
| 01:13.15 | EugenMayer | how to rebuild the ramdisk while iam in the chroot of the new system? |
| 01:13.34 | ricosecada | unfo, I have an nvidia card, and its easy to get the drivers working.. I am considering buying a new ATI card, but I am worried that I can't get 3D working for an ATI card, more specific 3850. |
| 01:14.05 | unfo | ricosecada: don't ask me. I don't know anything about ATI. Anyone? |
| 01:14.36 | ricosecada | unfo, I was asking anybody to begin with :-) |
| 01:14.42 | tim__ | aah found the problem, svn has a bunch of hidden preference files with permissions 111 |
| 01:14.53 | tim__ | i think i'll pop over there and ask them what's up with that :-) |
| 01:14.56 | tim__ | cheers chaps |
| 01:15.25 | unfo | tim__: there is a reason why they have permissions 111. |
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| 01:16.07 | tim__ | aah ok, really? i was just about to ask them why |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | goodplan |
| 01:17.03 | tim__ | unfo - any idea why that might be? |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | FFS .. finally .. netinst rc1 |
| 01:17.03 | unfo | tim__: maybe so that "grep" won't see inside the files. |
| 01:17.10 | tim__ | aah ok, that's interesting |
| 01:17.33 | tim__ | aah hang on |
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| 01:17.41 | tim__ | i think i mean 333 in fact |
| 01:17.44 | tim__ | r--r--r-- |
| 01:17.53 | unfo | tim__: don't worry about it. |
| 01:18.04 | unfo | tim__: but have you found a bug in GNU rm? |
| 01:18.31 | tim__ | hmm |
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| 01:18.37 | tim__ | probably not |
| 01:18.48 | tim__ | it won't remove the files, but then they're not owner-writeable anyway |
| 01:18.58 | tim__ | so presumably that's the desired behaviour |
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| 01:19.07 | unfo | tim__: why not? At least it should have given you a better error message. Sounds like you should file a feature request. |
| 01:19.12 | tim__ | sorry, am splitting my sentences up into chunks again :-) |
| 01:20.15 | EugenMayer | unfo: when installaing a raid and planing to install grub on both hdds, iam not sure why this is done to install grub on the second (hd1) hdd : device (hd0) /dev/hdc |
| 01:20.26 | EugenMayer | unfo: more : device (hd0) /dev/sdb |
| 01:21.00 | EugenMayer | unfo: because actually my menu.lst would consider to boot from hd1,1 |
| 01:21.03 | unfo | EugenMayer: I am not sure either. Anyone? |
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| 01:22.14 | EugenMayer | unfo: suggestion: when grub boots from sdb ( i mean from sdbs mbr, so from hd1 in view of sda). grub of sdb thinks that the current hdd is hd0, so that actually sdb |
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| 01:23.15 | unfo | EugenMayer: I am not sure. Please do not ask me. Please ask the whole channel instead. |
| 01:23.48 | shivraj | does anyone know about swap space and webservers ? |
| 01:23.57 | unfo | yes |
| 01:24.07 | shivraj | how much swap space do typical webservers use ? |
| 01:24.10 | shivraj | ie web app |
| 01:24.16 | shivraj | django, rails, etc |
| 01:24.31 | unfo | shivraj: please do not press Enter in the middle of your question next time :) |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | shivraj: don't you think that depends on the actual usage of the server and the amount of physical RAM ? |
| 01:25.19 | unfo | shivraj: why do you ask your question? :) |
| 01:25.22 | EugenMayer | shivraj: for normal uses, people often calculate 2xram = swap-size |
| 01:25.29 | shivraj | u're right |
| 01:25.48 | shivraj | oh ok ... thanks EugenMayer |
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| 01:26.16 | unfo | shivraj: are you installing Debian on a new computer? |
| 01:28.09 | stoned | whats up in the world of #debian |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | EugenMayer: that's not true anymore |
| 01:28.22 | stoned | shivraj, namaste |
| 01:28.35 | unfo | stoned: not much. #debian-offtopic and #debian-chat are full of people though. |
| 01:28.36 | unfo | :) |
| 01:28.42 | EugenMayer | abrotman: then correct it. |
| 01:28.43 | stoned | yes, yes they are |
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| 01:32.34 | shivraj | stoned: namaste |
| 01:32.50 | stoned | shivraj, its me dudeman ;) |
| 01:33.02 | shivraj | hehe.. ok |
| 01:33.06 | unfo | all : how do I run xterm so that it will show UTF-8 characters correctly? |
| 01:33.15 | stoned | it should be in the manpage |
| 01:33.30 | unfo | stoned: the manpage is a bit unclear. |
| 01:33.34 | unfo | shivraj: are you installing Debian on a new computer? |
| 01:33.51 | shivraj | unfo: no ... I want to use it on a webserver ... |
| 01:33.57 | unfo | shivraj: are you installing Debian on a new webserver? |
| 01:33.57 | stoned | http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/xterm.html |
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| 01:34.21 | shivraj | but I notice linux never uses swap basically I have 2 gig, but I was just thinking swap could be useful on a high demand web server |
| 01:34.27 | stoned | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html#getxterm |
| 01:34.40 | stoned | http://www.maruko.ca/i18n/ |
| 01:34.41 | stoned | ahh |
| 01:34.46 | stoned | You can run xterm in UTF-8 mode with: |
| 01:34.46 | stoned | xterm -u8 |
| 01:34.49 | stoned | found it |
| 01:34.52 | unfo | stoned: http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/xterm.html says "modern versions of xterm will do this automatically when the locale is a UTF-8 one". I have not found that to be true. |
| 01:35.13 | stoned | I don't use xterm |
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| 01:35.20 | unfo | stoned: Thank you for your google references, but I want to get an answer from someone who already uses xterm. |
| 01:35.26 | unfo | all : repeat: how do I run xterm so that it will show UTF-8 characters correctly? |
| 01:35.53 | shivraj | unfo: why are you using xterm ? sucks ... xterm is nice in solaris though .. configure gnome terminal |
| 01:35.54 | abrotman | unfo: such as which character? |
| 01:36.04 | dacs_ | howdy |
| 01:36.04 | shivraj | xterm is hard to configure |
| 01:36.07 | stoned | hi |
| 01:36.11 | unfo | shivraj: it is. |
| 01:36.19 | unfo | shivraj: repeat: are you installing Debian on a new webserver? |
| 01:36.22 | stoned | unfo, you're welcome |
| 01:36.32 | shivraj | but I notice linux never uses swap basically I have 2 gig, but I was just thinking swap could be useful on a high demand web server |
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| 01:36.49 | abrotman | !tell shivraj about am i swapping |
| 01:36.49 | unfo | shivraj: I don't understand your answer. Are you or not? |
| 01:37.00 | stoned | shivraj, create 1gb swap somewhere and use it if you do not want to use a partition |
| 01:37.19 | stoned | I always create at least 1gb swap cuz you never know |
| 01:37.37 | dacs_ | i am trying to mount another hhd, but debian is telling me "libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | unfo: i do use xterm .. what unicode characters don't work ? |
| 01:37.40 | dacs_ | process 3716: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 01:37.40 | stoned | for a server, you could dedicate a few more |
| 01:37.44 | dacs_ | error: device /dev/hdb1 is not removable |
| 01:37.47 | dacs_ | error: could not execute pmount |
| 01:37.53 | abrotman | !tell dacs_ about paste |
| 01:38.00 | unfo | abrotman: unicode curly single quotes |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | wow .. vague |
| 01:38.14 | stoned | thats one helluva char |
| 01:38.22 | stoned | why want curty ' |
| 01:38.35 | shivraj | abrotman: its not swapping, :) I gotta learn abt all of this nifty commands |
| 01:38.53 | unfo | shivraj: repeat: are you installing Debian on a new webserver? |
| 01:38.57 | stoned | shivraj, I've 4gibs of rams and I've never swapped |
| 01:39.05 | stoned | but I still have a 1gb swap... you know |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | unfo: why does it matter? |
| 01:39.24 | shivraj | unfo: no I was just wondering abt swap, abrotman suggested "vmstat 3" to see swap usage |
| 01:39.26 | stoned | shivraj, just answer the dude man, its getting irritating now |
| 01:39.31 | dacs_ | this is the message i get when i try to open a new HDD i just added to my box. http://paste.debian.net/21343/ |
| 01:39.32 | unfo | shivraj: just curious. |
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| 01:39.41 | stoned | dacs_, why are you using pmount? |
| 01:39.52 | unfo | shivraj: It sounds like you are asking out of curiosity. If you were asking out of need, I would help you. |
| 01:39.55 | stoned | dacs_, pmount is used for removable media so that user can mount it without being root |
| 01:40.08 | stoned | dacs_, you want to mount it via mount or add an entry tp /etc/fstab |
| 01:40.15 | stoned | dacs_, you don't use pmount for local HDD |
| 01:40.15 | shivraj | my current swap is set to 400 mb ... |
| 01:40.24 | shivraj | plus I have 13 gig that I never use |
| 01:40.36 | stoned | 13gb of ram? |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | shivraj: you can make additional swap files later if you need them |
| 01:40.39 | stoned | or hdd space? |
| 01:40.39 | unfo | stoned: GCC uses curly single quotes when my locale is set to UTF-8. |
| 01:40.51 | stoned | unfo, that sucks? |
| 01:40.53 | stoned | :) |
| 01:40.54 | tim__ | shivrag: it really does depend on how RAM-intensive your webapp is, and how high the load on it is, it's not really easy to say |
| 01:40.56 | unfo | stoned: yes. |
| 01:41.04 | unfo | stoned: should I file a bug? |
| 01:41.12 | stoned | I don't see it as a bug yet |
| 01:41.15 | stoned | don't have enough data |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | unfo: so you have no way for me to test this? my utf8 seems to work fine in xterm |
| 01:41.32 | stoned | what are you trying to build? |
| 01:41.40 | stoned | perhaps the quotes in that source are wacky? |
| 01:41.56 | tim__ | shivrag: but ideally, you want to avoid swapping - if the app starts swapping, it's probably best to look into optimising its RAM usage, upgrading your server's RAM, or load balancing accross multiple servers. |
| 01:41.58 | stoned | or does gcc do this on each soruce? |
| 01:42.24 | stoned | shivraj, yeh.. check your code and logic, optimize it to use less resources |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | tim__: you are having problems with his nick |
| 01:42.47 | stoned | lol |
| 01:42.48 | stoned | rag |
| 01:43.01 | dacs_ | stoned: please take a look at my /etc/fstab ....http://paste.debian.net/21344/ |
| 01:43.02 | stoned | the raag of the shiva |
| 01:43.03 | tim__ | oops, yes - sorry shivraj |
| 01:43.10 | stoned | shiva can sing! |
| 01:43.12 | shivraj | hehe |
| 01:43.12 | unfo | abrotman, stoned, (echo 'printf("foo")' > foo.cpp) && (make foo) |
| 01:43.13 | stoned | dacs_, hang on |
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| 01:43.34 | stoned | which one is it dacs_ |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | unfo: those are single quotes .. that doesn't make sense |
| 01:43.45 | unfo | abrotman: just type the command. :) |
| 01:43.59 | dacs_ | stoned: i didn't add it yet and i am confussed |
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| 01:44.06 | stoned | dacs_, follow the format |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | bah .. fuck |
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| 01:44.43 | tim__ | hmm |
| 01:44.46 | stoned | dacs_, /drive/to/mount/here /mount/point/to/mount/to fstype options etc. etc. |
| 01:44.49 | abrotman | unfo: i get a compile error |
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| 01:45.07 | tim__ | is there any reason why an rm -r would traverse the directory tree in the wrong direction |
| 01:45.08 | unfo | abrotman: yes. what is the error you get? |
| 01:45.14 | unfo | tim__: define "wrong". |
| 01:45.20 | abrotman | foo.cpp:1: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before ‘(’ token |
| 01:45.22 | dacs_ | stoned: this is my first time to mount a HDD and i really worried |
| 01:45.22 | tim__ | i.e. depth /last/*? |
| 01:45.31 | stoned | dacs_, is the drive formatted? |
| 01:45.35 | stoned | dacs_, its a new drive? no data? |
| 01:45.46 | unfo | abrotman: That is the correct error. I get the wrong error. I get foo.cpp:1: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before â token |
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| 01:45.49 | stoned | dacs_, no need to worry, just don't type commands blindly |
| 01:46.01 | tim__ | the error message i'm getting is "rm: cannot chdir from `/home/quietus/staging_source/releases/20081113013757/tmp/pids' to ..: No such file or directory" |
| 01:46.01 | dacs_ | it has some data but i care less |
| 01:46.01 | stoned | dacs_, ask here first |
| 01:46.02 | stoned | dacs_, what file system is it formatted to? |
| 01:46.02 | tim__ | which suggests it's deleting the parent directory before the child for some reason |
| 01:46.04 | abrotman | unfo: mine is fine .. yours is busted |
| 01:46.08 | unfo | abrotman: yes. |
| 01:46.11 | unfo | why is mine busted? |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | unfo: echo $LANG ? |
| 01:46.15 | dacs_ | stoned: M$ |
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| 01:46.25 | unfo | abrotman: My $LANGUAGE is fr_CA.UTF-8:fr_FR.UTF-8:fr_FR:fr and my $LANG is fr_FR.UTF-8. Does that seem correct? |
| 01:46.35 | stoned | dacs_, might as well just format as ext3 and mount under debian |
| 01:46.40 | abrotman | unfo: echo $XTERM_LOCALE ? |
| 01:46.40 | dacs_ | stoned: but i want to use for linux so i need to reformat it |
| 01:46.49 | stoned | dacs_, thats what I just said ;) |
| 01:46.52 | unfo | abrotman: en_US |
| 01:46.58 | abrotman | .UTF-8 ? |
| 01:47.00 | stoned | dacs_, if you wish to format, you don't mount it first |
| 01:47.03 | unfo | abrotman: no, just en_US |
| 01:47.06 | stoned | dacs_, you cannot do this linux |
| 01:47.09 | abrotman | unfo: uh .. |
| 01:47.28 | stoned | dacs_, you have to first find out which drive it is, do as root, `fdisk -l' and find out which drive it is |
| 01:47.49 | unfo | abrotman: my $LC_ALL and $LC_LANG are both also unset. Is that ok? |
| 01:47.50 | stoned | dacs_, then you want to do as root, mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd(whatever it is) and let it run, then you can mount it later |
| 01:47.55 | stoned | dacs_, first format it to ext3 |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | XTERM_LOCALE=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | unfo: i don't have $LC* |
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| 01:49.08 | amikrop | I made USB capable for installing Debian, but now it cannot work like before. How can I do it work like a Storage device, again? |
| 01:49.19 | unfo | amikrop: what are you trying to do? why? |
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| 01:49.22 | amikrop | It cannot be mounted, now. |
| 01:49.23 | abrotman | unfo: have you generated en_US.UTF-8 in your /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 01:49.28 | stoned | amikrop, it is still a storage device |
| 01:49.30 | amikrop | unfo: I am trying to fix my USB device. |
| 01:49.35 | stoned | amikrop, it can boot debian sure, but you can also store data on it |
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| 01:49.55 | amikrop | stoned: It cannot be mounted since I ran # install-mbr /dev/sdb |
| 01:49.57 | unfo | abrotman: no, why? |
| 01:49.59 | stoned | amikrop, you run the installer from the usb, and the usb either has an iso for hd-media or a cdrom |
| 01:50.13 | abrotman | unfo: i guess it technically shouldn't matter |
| 01:50.15 | stoned | amikrop, if you want, you can wipe the usb and start over |
| 01:50.21 | amikrop | stoned: how? |
| 01:50.31 | abrotman | but i wonder how the $XTERM_LOCALE affects it |
| 01:50.32 | stoned | just format it as fat |
| 01:50.39 | stoned | mkfs.vfat /dev/usb? |
| 01:50.42 | stoned | or whatever it is |
| 01:50.43 | amikrop | Actually, I installed Debian from the USB. What I want to do, is to make it back to normal. |
| 01:50.55 | amikrop | I can't mount it right now. |
| 01:50.56 | stoned | amikrop, yes, thats fine, mkfs.vfat |
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| 01:51.03 | stoned | you don't mount it, you format first then mount |
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| 01:51.09 | amikrop | stoned: ok |
| 01:51.20 | amikrop | stoned: it was msdosfs before |
| 01:51.25 | amikrop | can I format it like that? |
| 01:51.32 | stoned | thats the partition type |
| 01:51.40 | stoned | er.. isn't it like msdos part type? |
| 01:51.48 | stoned | I'm not too familiar with usb just basic usage |
| 01:52.02 | stoned | the file system is still fat |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | amikrop: fdisk it .. mkfs it |
| 01:52.11 | amikrop | abrotman: how? |
| 01:52.18 | stoned | use cfdisk or fdisk |
| 01:52.26 | stoned | or whatever gui you want if you prefer that |
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| 01:52.42 | amikrop | stoned: it said Filesystem: msdos before |
| 01:52.54 | stoned | amikrop, file -s /dev/whatever |
| 01:53.01 | stoned | from that? |
| 01:53.15 | amikrop | p# file -s /dev/sdb |
| 01:53.16 | amikrop | /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector, SYSLINUX bootloader (3.11) |
| 01:53.22 | stoned | no thats new debian now |
| 01:53.29 | stoned | I meant how did you find out it says msdos before? |
| 01:53.39 | amikrop | through nautilus |
| 01:53.57 | stoned | and msdos is a partition type, you need to use cfdisk or fdisk. You need to wipe the partition, and then remake it as a msdos partition table, then you need to format it as vfat |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | amikrop: use fdisk /dev/sdb .. create a new partition of vfat type, then use mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | but that will erase *everything* on sdb .... so make sure it's the right device |
| 01:56.04 | dacs_ | stoned: ok, i formated it to ext3 |
| 01:56.08 | amikrop | I ran # mkfs.msdos -I /dev/sdb |
| 01:56.11 | amikrop | and it worked |
| 01:56.27 | stoned | w/e |
| 01:56.41 | stoned | dacs_, now tell me your device name? /dev/what? |
| 01:57.07 | lawnchair | oh hi |
| 01:57.09 | dacs_ | '/dev/hdb |
| 01:57.14 | amikrop | abrotman: actually, how can I name the usb device? |
| 01:57.25 | amikrop | before I format it, it was named CORSAIR |
| 01:57.31 | amikrop | now it has a default name |
| 01:57.37 | amikrop | 16.4 GB Device |
| 01:57.37 | abrotman | give it an MSDOS label? |
| 01:57.43 | amikrop | or something |
| 01:57.54 | amikrop | abrotman: do you know how? :) |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | man mkfs.vfat |
| 01:58.17 | stoned | dacs_, " /dev/hdb /home/dacs/new_drive ext defaults 0 0 " <-- without quotes into /etc/fstab |
| 01:58.37 | unfo | abrotman: 1 minute. let me generate en_US.UTF-8. |
| 01:58.40 | stoned | dacs_, you can change where you wish to mount it, the /home/dacs/new_drive bit is the path to where you wish to mount it, make sure the path exists before hand |
| 01:59.16 | stoned | amikrop, you need to give it a volume name |
| 01:59.33 | stoned | amikrop, remember in windows you can right click drive and go to properties and enter a volume name? |
| 01:59.41 | stoned | same deal here, you can use -n with vfat |
| 01:59.43 | amikrop | yes |
| 01:59.48 | amikrop | I saw it in man |
| 01:59.52 | stoned | nm, abrotman already sugested |
| 01:59.53 | amikrop | thanks, though :-) |
| 02:00.00 | stoned | yeh... |
| 02:00.03 | stoned | :) |
| 02:00.37 | abrotman | uh .. it's wednesday .. |
| 02:00.56 | stoned | no shit sherlock... |
| 02:01.04 | dacs_ | stoned: new_drive <--- this also will be hdb or i can name it anything |
| 02:01.11 | stoned | whatever you want |
| 02:01.21 | stoned | dacs_, thats just the directory where you want to mount it |
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| 02:01.37 | stoned | dacs_, it can be anything you want, just make sure you do mkdir or whatever first and make the directory |
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| 02:03.35 | stoned | dacs_, correction, change the ext to ext3 |
| 02:03.43 | stoned | dacs_, whoops! ;) |
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| 02:05.18 | amikrop | I did not partition my USB disk. |
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| 02:05.24 | amikrop | Do I have to? |
| 02:05.27 | dacs_ | stoned: ok done, what now |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | i would |
| 02:05.37 | amikrop | abrotman: why? |
| 02:05.38 | stoned | dacs_, as root, mount -a |
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| 02:06.36 | flaccid_ | how can i do a passwd and change a password to avoid "Bad: new password is just a wrapped version of the old one". i have a limitation on a NAS where the password length is shorter than the password i use on this debian box? |
| 02:06.37 | stoned | dacs_, or you can manually mount it like, mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /home/dacs/blah |
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| 02:08.25 | scales11 | hey all. got an interesting problem. i have a module that i probe upon start up. it is supposed to get my hot keys working (fn+f1, etc) and show an osd when pressed. the script runs, however no osd. when i modprobe it again from a terminal the osd work. however when i close the terminal the osd goes away.....tips? |
| 02:08.32 | dacs_ | stoned: Corky:/home/haiger# mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /home/haiger/nfsdrive/ |
| 02:08.32 | dacs_ | mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /home/haiger/nfsdrive/ busy |
| 02:08.38 | dacs_ | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb is mounted on /home/haiger/nfsdrive |
| 02:09.36 | EugenMayer_ | scales11: screen ? |
| 02:09.43 | flaccid_ | ah i can just delete it first and do it sweet |
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| 02:10.14 | scales11 | EugenMayer_: osd=onscreen display. for example volume up |
| 02:11.58 | dacs_ | stoned: i am still not able to load it |
| 02:12.03 | EugenMayer_ | scales11: use screen |
| 02:12.11 | dacs_ | i still get the message unable to mount |
| 02:12.28 | EugenMayer_ | scales11: if you dont want the application kill after closing the terminal use screen |
| 02:12.31 | EugenMayer_ | or & |
| 02:12.44 | scales11 | EugenMayer_: & didnt work i tried it |
| 02:13.03 | EugenMayer_ | then try screen |
| 02:13.08 | scales11 | EugenMayer_: ok |
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| 02:15.17 | scales11 | EugenMayer_: no luck. here is what it looks like |
| 02:15.17 | scales11 | $sudo modprobe pciehp screen |
| 02:15.17 | scales11 | $ |
| 02:15.17 | scales11 | so then i close the terminal and it stops working. it doesnt show any response or reason why i need the terminal open |
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| 02:16.49 | lfaraone|local | Hi, I'm on a system with restricted disk space (1GB) and am currently using about 20% of the disk. What directories outside of /home can I safely move to a NAS device? (Home network, everything is low-latency) |
| 02:17.19 | unfo | lfaraone|local: are you sure your only option is to move data to a NAS device? |
| 02:17.33 | unfo | lfaraone|local: could you please tell us more background info? |
| 02:17.33 | lfaraone|local | unfo, well, it's a compressed flash storage system on the machine itself. |
| 02:18.10 | lfaraone|local | unfo, I'm running lenny on a 440mhz~ OLPC XO. I'm trying to use it as a server (since I have about 5 lying around sans kbd) |
| 02:18.20 | unfo | lfaraone|local: what is "sans kbd"? |
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| 02:18.33 | unfo | lfaraone|local: and does the OLPC have USB ports? |
| 02:18.37 | \amethyst | 'sans' = 'without', 'kbd' = 'keyboard' |
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| 02:19.16 | dacs_ | stoned: u there |
| 02:19.34 | lfaraone|local | unfo, three. |
| 02:19.44 | lfaraone|local | \amethyst, exactly. |
| 02:19.51 | unfo | lfaraone|local: so if you have USB ports, why not use those to add storage? |
| 02:20.24 | unfo | lfaraone|local: and if you still have 80% of the disk free, why does it matter? :) |
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| 02:20.41 | lfaraone|local | unfo, Because I'm cheap and don't have any USB storage devices handy. (I have a external HD, but that's designed to be _portable_) |
| 02:20.49 | unfo | lfaraone|local: what city do you live in? |
| 02:20.57 | lfaraone|local | unfo, Because right now I have barely enough packages to boot the system. |
| 02:21.10 | lfaraone|local | unfo, (and ssh in and play with apt) |
| 02:21.10 | unfo | lfaraone|local: you can cram a web server into 1GB. |
| 02:21.24 | \amethyst | lfaraone|local: really, you could probably put all of /usr on NAS; the stuff that's necessary for bringing the network up and mounting the filesystem should be in /bin or /sbin |
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| 02:21.44 | lfaraone|local | unfo, arlington, va, outside of washington DC |
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| 02:22.14 | unfo | lfaraone|local: go to craigslist.com or kijiji.com. Go to the "free stuff" forum. Post a message: "REQUEST: 1GB SD card and reader |
| 02:22.16 | unfo | " |
| 02:22.18 | lfaraone|local | unfo, which would be fine, except I'm planning on having this be a shell server + VPN |
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| 02:22.35 | \amethyst | unfo: I take it you don't like NAS? |
| 02:22.35 | lfaraone|local | unfo, heh, it has a built-in SD card port :P |
| 02:22.43 | lfaraone|local | unfo, will do. |
| 02:22.50 | EugenMayer_ | does every domain hosted on a sepecific dedicated need a PTR entry to the server SMTP host-domain? |
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| 02:22.56 | dacs_ | !seen stoned |
| 02:22.56 | dpkg | stoned is currently on #debian (3h 21m 55s). Has said a total of 95 messages. Is idling for 16m 20s, last said: 'dacs_, or you can manually mount it like, mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /home/dacs/blah'. |
| 02:23.15 | scales11 | EugenMayer_: sorry i pasted too much |
| 02:23.30 | lfaraone|local | unfo and \amethyst , thank for your help. |
| 02:23.31 | unfo | \amethyst: I don't know how to use NAS. But I know that file sharing is sometimes unreliable. |
| 02:23.36 | unfo | lfaraone|local: you're welcome. |
| 02:23.37 | scales11 | EugenMayer_: i didnt realize i got kicked. did you by chance have any other suggestions |
| 02:23.49 | dacs_ | !sshd |
| 02:23.58 | dacs_ | !ssh |
| 02:23.58 | dpkg | somebody said ssh was Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | dacs_: MSG THE BOT |
| 02:24.03 | lfaraone|local | unfo, well, if it helps, the NAS is also running debian, so it has loads of flexability vis-a-vis protocol etc |
| 02:24.53 | dacs_ | abrotman: will do sorry |
| 02:25.20 | unfo | lfaraone|local: but if you trip over the LAN cable, the machine will run into problems. So I think it'd be better to use an SD card. BTW, a brand-new 1GB SD card costs under US$15 at a refurbished computer parts store. |
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| 02:25.56 | dacs_ | my ssh was working find now it quite working? |
| 02:26.01 | lfaraone|local | unfo, fortunately they are less than 5 feet from another, with raised flooring. :P |
| 02:26.16 | lfaraone|local | unfo, but at this point, yeah, sd makes more sense. |
| 02:26.35 | abrotman | wonders how you can have a brand new refurb ... |
| 02:26.37 | unfo | lfaraone|local: you have a raised floor? are you at home? |
| 02:26.49 | unfo | abrotman: you can't. Refurb parts stores sell only brand-new SD cards. |
| 02:26.51 | lfaraone|local | unfo, i'm just that geeky. |
| 02:27.01 | unfo | lfaraone|local: don't waste your time. Spend the money. :) |
| 02:27.34 | ruelps | uh, where can i get the flashplugin-nonfree package for testing? |
| 02:27.45 | unfo | ruelps: what website are you trying to view? |
| 02:27.50 | ruelps | youporn.com |
| 02:27.59 | lfaraone|local | ruelps, ... |
| 02:28.02 | abrotman | !tell ruelps about dmm |
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| 02:28.13 | ruelps | i tried debian multimedia |
| 02:28.18 | ruelps | but it didn't work properly |
| 02:28.26 | abrotman | then you did it wrong |
| 02:28.32 | ruelps | nope |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:28.47 | ruelps | nope |
| 02:28.55 | lfaraone|local | ruelps, Yes. |
| 02:28.57 | unfo | ruelps: did you try Gnash? It may work on that site. |
| 02:29.07 | lfaraone|local | Oh, and a really annoying problem: I keep on getting error messages about my locale being invalid. I've already run locale-gen and reconfigured locale. http://pastebin.ca/1254906 |
| 02:29.08 | unfo | ruelps: or swfdec |
| 02:29.18 | abrotman | ruelps: okay, then do it your own way .. the dmm packages work |
| 02:30.15 | ruelps | they don't for me |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | hence .. you did it wrong ? |
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| 02:30.54 | ruelps | what to do wrong with installing a package with apt-get? :p |
| 02:30.57 | unfo | ruelps: did you file a bug? They won't know to fix it if you don't file a bug. But if you insist on flashplugin-nonfree, try asking the Debian Multimedia support channel. |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | he can't file a bug on dmm packages |
| 02:32.09 | unfo | abrotman: no, i mean file a bug on gnash and swfdec |
| 02:33.50 | lfaraone|local | unfo, any clue about my locale issues, or do I just ignore the warningz? |
| 02:33.55 | ruelps | is there a log file which saves apt-get errors? |
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| 02:34.00 | unfo | lfaraone|local: what languages do you speak? |
| 02:34.10 | lfaraone|local | unfo, en_us.UTF8 |
| 02:34.18 | ruelps | ah, nvm |
| 02:34.20 | lfaraone|local | unfo, and some fr_fr.UTF8 |
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| 02:34.59 | unfo | lfaraone|local: Do you mean en_US.UTF-8 and fr_FR.UTF-8 with 4-5 letter capitalization and hyphens? |
| 02:35.11 | ruelps | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/VM7ieA96.html |
| 02:35.13 | lfaraone|local | unfo, Yes. |
| 02:35.28 | wip | i have a problem with debian etch, i want to install the new openssl 0.9.8i in /usr/local/lib (working) but apache is linking to /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8 |
| 02:35.38 | unfo | dear all: What is the proper way to set Debian so that all programs will display menus and dialogs in French instead of English? |
| 02:35.39 | ruelps | what did i do wrong? it's german but he can't create a symbolic link because /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so.dpkg-tmp doesn't exist |
| 02:35.47 | wip | what is this: /usr/lib/i686/cmov??? |
| 02:35.51 | lfaraone|local | unfo, uh, I'd rather it all be in english. |
| 02:35.54 | unfo | wip: why do you ask? |
| 02:36.07 | unfo | lfaraone|local: I am actually asking for my own benefit. I am having problems with xterm. |
| 02:36.11 | lfaraone|local | unfo, oh. |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | ruelps: sadly .. the easiest is to install swfdec-mozilla, then try again |
| 02:36.20 | wip | unfo, i am lost |
| 02:36.25 | lfaraone|local | unfo, well, I know a python script to do it for GNOME |
| 02:36.38 | unfo | lfaraone|local: echo $LANGUAGE -- $LC_ALL -- $LC_LANG -- $LANG |
| 02:36.45 | unfo | wip: why? |
| 02:36.56 | ruelps | i want flashplugin-nonfree :p |
| 02:37.04 | wip | compiling apache is always pointing to /usr/lib/i686/cmov (ldd httpd) |
| 02:37.08 | ruelps | open source flash sucks |
| 02:37.13 | unfo | wip: why are you compiling apache? |
| 02:37.17 | abrotman | ruelps: sadly .. the easiest is to install swfdec-mozilla, then try again |
| 02:37.18 | ruelps | yet.. |
| 02:37.20 | lfaraone|local | ruelps, meh, it works fine. |
| 02:37.25 | wip | to have the last version... |
| 02:37.32 | unfo | wip: what version do you need? |
| 02:37.36 | lfaraone|local | ruelps, assuming you don't want it to do anything. :P |
| 02:37.40 | wip | also 2.2.10 with openssl 0.9.8i |
| 02:37.41 | abrotman | ruelps: or you can read the man page for update-alternatives to do it yourself |
| 02:37.45 | unfo | wip: why do you need it? |
| 02:37.49 | lfaraone|local | unfo, en_US.UTF-8 -- en_US.UTF-8 -- -- en_US.UTF-8 |
| 02:37.51 | wip | unfo, PCI compliant stuff |
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| 02:38.00 | wip | unfo, the server will one day process credit card |
| 02:38.01 | unfo | lfaraone|local: is that correct? Anyone know? |
| 02:38.06 | unfo | wip: what is PCI? |
| 02:38.13 | lfaraone|local | unfo, per a setting in my bashrc |
| 02:38.27 | wip | unfo, a script that check your server is you have security holes |
| 02:38.32 | lfaraone|local | unfo, you mean the script? yeah, at least it worked last time I used it... |
| 02:38.36 | unfo | wip: where can I download PCI? |
| 02:38.38 | lfaraone|local | unfo, I'll fetch. |
| 02:38.49 | wip | unfo, you cannot it's a service |
| 02:38.59 | lfaraone|local | unfo, http://docbox.flint.com/~flint/gin/index.html |
| 02:39.00 | unfo | wip: where can I read more about PCI? |
| 02:39.10 | wip | unfo, it's not just a script you need to fill a contract saying that your server is secure |
| 02:39.17 | unfo | wip: where can I see the contract? |
| 02:39.18 | wip | unfo, i guess google PCI compliant |
| 02:39.40 | wip | unfo, have you compiled apache yourself? |
| 02:39.40 | lfaraone|local | wip, seems pretty pointless, since its prone to user error and lying. |
| 02:39.41 | unfo | wip: this? http://wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_DSS |
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| 02:39.50 | wip | unfo, yes |
| 02:40.02 | unfo | lfaraone|local: cool :) |
| 02:40.13 | wip | lfaraone|local, yes but then if they can prove that you lied, you will pay for the stolen credit card |
| 02:40.30 | lfaraone|local | wip, ... what card? |
| 02:40.41 | lfaraone|local | wip, and you cannot prove something is secure. |
| 02:40.45 | unfo | wip: what is the name of the requirement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_DSS#Requirements) that requires apache 2.2.10 with openssl 0.9.8i? |
| 02:40.53 | unfo | where can I read more? |
| 02:41.27 | wip | unfo, the script that look for security holes reported that my version of apache and openssl is to old |
| 02:41.37 | unfo | lfaraone|local: no. I am trying to figure out who wrote the braindead PCI DSS requirements script. |
| 02:41.40 | wip | unfo, i am doing business with trustkeeper.net |
| 02:41.42 | unfo | wip: can I see the script? |
| 02:41.51 | wip | unfo, nope |
| 02:41.54 | lfaraone|local | unfo, lol, I heard of this a while ago on the lists. |
| 02:41.55 | unfo | wip: why not? |
| 02:41.59 | lfaraone|local | wip, why not? |
| 02:42.01 | wip | unfo, and it is 300$ a year |
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| 02:42.08 | lfaraone|local | wip, You're getting ripped off. |
| 02:42.08 | wip | unfo, don't ask me! ask them |
| 02:42.11 | unfo | wip: where did you get the script from? |
| 02:42.12 | lfaraone|local | wip, Who's them? |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:42.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 02:42.18 | wip | trustkeeper |
| 02:42.24 | unfo | googles trustkeeper |
| 02:42.49 | unfo | TrustKeeper is a certified remote assessment and compliance solution designed to help merchants meet the security standards of all credit card companies. TrustKeeper has been certified by Visa CISP/AIS, MasterCard SDP, American Express DSOP, Discover DISC, and all other credit card companies |
| 02:42.53 | wip | if you want to have an e-commerce with full ssl and credit card payment you need to be pci compliant... |
| 02:43.03 | unfo | Call 1-800-363-1621 to speak with TrustKeeper support. |
| 02:43.06 | lfaraone|local | wip, again, says who? |
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| 02:43.11 | wip | i cannot certificate myself... |
| 02:43.16 | unfo | wip: I will certify you. |
| 02:43.19 | wip | lfaraone|local, visa, mastercard |
| 02:43.27 | wip | lfaraone|local, and such |
| 02:43.30 | ruelps | http://de.pastebin.ca/1240896 |
| 02:43.31 | abrotman | how is this a Debian question ? |
| 02:43.38 | unfo | wip: I will charge $100 per hour to do it though. Is that OK? |
| 02:43.46 | ruelps | abrotman: what to do with update-alternatives? |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | ruelps: did you install swfdec-mozilla yet? |
| 02:44.20 | wip | abrotman, my question was: what is: /usr/lib/i686/cmov |
| 02:44.26 | ruelps | nope |
| 02:44.28 | unfo | abrotman: the trustkeeper.net security certification service requires that wip must install Apache 2.2.10 with openssl 0.9.8i. So wip is trying to build it by themselves. |
| 02:44.32 | unfo | using "./configure" |
| 02:44.41 | lfaraone|local | wip, did you google it, maybe? |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | ruelps: i'm not going to read the man page for you, i gave oyu the easy solution and you refuse |
| 02:44.47 | wip | lfaraone|local, no luck... |
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| 02:44.53 | wip | lfaraone|local, only my post to openssl... |
| 02:45.09 | unfo | wip: Self-built Apache 2.2.10 is insecure. Do not use it. |
| 02:45.18 | abrotman | so .. how is this a #debian question ? |
| 02:45.20 | egypcio | dudes... aptitude didnt show me stuff about assembly..... something like emu8086(win)....... do you guys know about emu8086-like for linux? (or do I need to use wine here?) |
| 02:45.24 | unfo | wip: This is because it does not come with auto updates. |
| 02:45.27 | ruelps | i don't want the gstreamer dependencies |
| 02:45.30 | ruelps | :\ |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | then install gnash |
| 02:45.40 | unfo | egypcio: why do you need to program in assembly? are you hacking? |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | or read about alternatives |
| 02:45.45 | wip | unfo, this is my job to see if a new version is available... |
| 02:45.55 | ruelps | also gstreamer needed |
| 02:45.56 | unfo | wip: that is foolish. |
| 02:45.59 | abrotman | wip: in debian? only 2.2.9 is available in debian |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | unfo: quit being an ass |
| 02:46.03 | f00li5h | meow |
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| 02:46.16 | unfo | wip: you should complain to your boss. |
| 02:46.19 | wip | also openssl is too old in debian |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | ruelps: you can uninstall them later |
| 02:46.40 | lfaraone|local | wip, no, it isn't. |
| 02:46.41 | unfo | abrotman: what is stupid about what i said? |
| 02:46.45 | r0ny | hi,i changed the file/etc/hosts..what should i do to make the changes effect in the system? |
| 02:46.47 | egypcio | unfo; study the language... grad. |
| 02:46.53 | lfaraone|local | wip, your script simply does not account for security updates by debian. |
| 02:46.54 | wip | lfaraone|local, do you have open 0.9.8i somewhere? |
| 02:46.55 | ruelps | but why do i have to install it? |
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| 02:46.57 | Wyzard | wip: You know, Debian backports security fixes to the packages in stable |
| 02:46.58 | ruelps | :/ |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | unfo: i just said to stop being an ass .. just leave wip alone |
| 02:47.02 | unfo | egypcio: grad school? like M.Sc? |
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| 02:47.04 | lfaraone|local | wip, No... |
| 02:47.04 | unfo | abrotman: no |
| 02:47.10 | lfaraone|local | wip, Please see above by Wyzard |
| 02:47.34 | unfo | abrotman: not until you convince me why. |
| 02:47.36 | lfaraone|local | wip, Debian backports stuff. Which is why "does VER == "0.2.4.6" is bad. |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | unfo: because you're not helping |
| 02:47.51 | egypcio | wanna help me or want to know about me? ;( |
| 02:47.52 | Wyzard | wip: If there's a bug in Apache 2.2.9, the fix in 2.2.10 also goes into Debian's updated 2.2.9 package |
| 02:47.54 | lfaraone|local | abrotman, but the problem is that the script is broken? |
| 02:47.58 | unfo | abrotman: hopefully wip can convince trustkeeper.net to fix their script. |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | lfaraone|local: that's not our problem either |
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| 02:48.20 | frank0 | Hi, i can record sound from my webcam, but not from my internal sound card... I use alsa.. anyone have a clue whats going on? |
| 02:48.21 | Wyzard | wip: security bug, that is |
| 02:48.24 | unfo | abrotman: it is our problem because trustkeeper.net is causing undue load on our volunteer0run IRC support services. |
| 02:48.26 | lfaraone|local | wip, ok, you do not have a problem with debian. bug your group. |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | unfo: THEN SHUT UP |
| 02:48.51 | acidslep | what he said! |
| 02:48.54 | EugenMayer_ | abrotman: for an op you misbehave a lot. |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | you're not required to have an answer for everything |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | EugenMayer_: would you rather watch unfo abuse someone looking for help? |
| 02:49.17 | ruelps | abrotman is pretty lordly imo :/ |
| 02:49.30 | acidslep | what he said |
| 02:49.59 | EugenMayer_ | abrotman: unfo is one question, but i did not see him insult someone. You just did. |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | ruelps: your easiest solution is really to install the other packages that create the alternatives entry .. i'm honestly surprised the dmm packages don't do this, you probably should email the maintainer |
| 02:50.19 | unfo | EugenMayer_: what does "unfo is one question" mean? :) |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | EugenMayer_: no, i didn't |
| 02:50.51 | EugenMayer_ | unfo: ur way of "helping" and "asking" is "askable" |
| 02:50.52 | Gigantic | what can I use to defrag my windows disks from Linux? |
| 02:50.58 | Gigantic | never did that b4 |
| 02:51.03 | ruelps | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 02:51.09 | EugenMayer_ | abrotman: [03:48] <abrotman> unfo: THEN SHUT UP |
| 02:51.10 | lfaraone|local | Gigantic, google "defrag windows partition linux" |
| 02:51.20 | lfaraone|local | EugenMayer_, that's not insulting, it's a command. |
| 02:51.23 | unfo | Gigantic: why do you want to defrag your windows disks at all? |
| 02:51.23 | unfo | EugenMayer_: do you mean I ask too many why questions, as just above? |
| 02:51.24 | EugenMayer_ | Gigantic: which filesystem? |
| 02:51.25 | Gigantic | nothing useful ty |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | EugenMayer_: he can't complain about 'excessive traffic' when he's half of it |
| 02:51.31 | Gigantic | otherwise won't ask here |
| 02:51.33 | lfaraone|local | unfo, no. |
| 02:51.35 | Gigantic | FAT |
| 02:51.50 | lfaraone|local | unfo, he means that it's another story. |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | Gigantic: i don't think there are tools for that in linux |
| 02:51.56 | unfo | lfaraone|local: ah. |
| 02:52.00 | acidslep | closes the blastshield on his bunker again |
| 02:52.04 | Gigantic | =\ |
| 02:52.08 | unfo | Gigantic: why do you want to defrag your windows disks at all? |
| 02:52.28 | EugenMayer_ | unfo: you crosspost, you repeat. Your answers are more like "google". You dont need someone to tell, google has an answer, this wont be something new, this is not very clever you either |
| 02:52.43 | Gigantic | you know that fat disks corrupt and move slow if too fragmented |
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| 02:52.52 | abrotman | EugenMayer_: please discuss this with unfo in #debian-offtopic |
| 02:53.07 | lfaraone|local | Gigantic, which is why we don't use FAT. |
| 02:53.12 | lfaraone|local | Gigantic, it's just a bad FS. |
| 02:53.13 | wip | ok - i just want to say that i am not affiliate with trustkeeper - i just want to be pci compliant that's all - thanks to everyone |
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| 02:53.23 | unfo | Gigantic: is that still true for FAT32? I thought it was fragmentation-resistant. |
| 02:53.27 | EugenMayer_ | Gigantic: do you have to use linux to defrag it? i mean, could you use the windows for dealing with its own crap? :) |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | Gigantic: yes, but that doesn't mean linux has a tool for doing that .. i wonder if dosbox would have it? |
| 02:53.31 | lfaraone|local | unfo, yes. |
| 02:53.35 | Gigantic | somethimes you have no option |
| 02:53.43 | abrotman | wait .. ignore that, doesn't make sense |
| 02:53.44 | lfaraone|local | unfo, not even NTFS... |
| 02:53.58 | Gigantic | EugenMayer_: yeah but I rather stay in Linux >.> |
| 02:54.11 | unfo | lfaraone|local: you mean "yes it is fragmentation-resistant"? |
| 02:54.14 | EugenMayer_ | Gigantic: if you rather stay in linux, dont use FAT. |
| 02:54.15 | Gigantic | abrotman: Ima look |
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| 02:54.31 | lfaraone|local | unfo, nope. |
| 02:54.36 | lfaraone|local | unfo, windows just fails that way. |
| 02:54.41 | Gigantic | EugenMayer_: You can't cant get it do u? I have to have the disks |
| 02:54.45 | unfo | lfaraone|local: then what do you mean "unfo, yes"? |
| 02:54.50 | Gigantic | no that I want =\ |
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| 02:55.09 | unfo | EugenMayer_: could you please join me in #debian-offtopic? |
| 02:55.17 | lfaraone|local | unfo, sorry, must have mistyped |
| 02:55.26 | unfo | ok :) |
| 02:55.28 | EugenMayer_ | unfo: there |
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| 02:55.52 | unfo | EugenMayer_: what do you mean? |
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| 02:56.11 | unfo | Gigantic: may I PM you? |
| 02:56.21 | Gigantic | sure |
| 02:56.26 | abrotman | keep it in the channel? |
| 02:56.32 | unfo | abrotman: ok I will. |
| 02:56.45 | unfo | Gigantic: I asked you a question twice. Do you know the answer? |
| 02:56.54 | unfo | (about fragmentation-resistance) |
| 02:57.02 | Gigantic | unfo: didn't read teh question, what was it? |
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| 02:57.12 | abrotman | unfo: neither vfat or ntfs are fragmentation resistant |
| 02:57.14 | EugenMayer_ | Gigantic: actually you want a free tool someone wrote to fix something, which is broken from its very basic implementation. I dont think you find someone beeing motivated to write a tool which fixes problem which are solved allready ( by not using FAT ). If you want such tools i think you either stick to software which needs it ( and its tools or not ) |
| 02:57.15 | unfo | Gigantic: please press the <PageUp> key on your keyboard to see it. |
| 02:57.28 | Wyzard | unfo: FAT32 is no more fragmentation-resistant than FAT16 |
| 02:57.28 | unfo | abrotman: I hear NTFS is. |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | lies |
| 02:57.53 | unfo | abrotman: Gigantic: Also, I hear that modern HDDs are fast enough that fragmentation does not appreciably slow down anything. |
| 02:57.56 | Wyzard | unfo: If anything, it's less fragmentation-resistant -- more clusters means more places to fragment |
| 02:57.56 | EugenMayer_ | abrotman: lets say NTFS is just more "robust" :) |
| 02:58.04 | unfo | And fragmentation surely does not cause disk corruption. |
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| 02:58.07 | g0rAngA | I'm having a very frustrating problem with pppoe. it seems to connect just fine to my ISP, receives DNS settings and so on. |
| 02:58.08 | g0rAngA | but after its finished and the ppp0 device is brought up, I can still access nothing on the internet. |
| 02:58.32 | unfo | Gigantic: IMO, defragging is usually a waste of time. |
| 02:58.42 | unfo | Anyway why not reformat and switch to Linux? :) |
| 02:58.49 | abrotman | g0rAngA: does it set your route correctly? |
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| 02:59.02 | Gigantic | EugenMayer_: ok... come tell my boss that... meanwhile I have fat disks around.. yt |
| 02:59.07 | g0rAngA | abrotman: no, it doesn't |
| 02:59.13 | theGZA | whats the preferred program to burn isos? |
| 02:59.13 | Gigantic | unfo: huh... you have to |
| 02:59.19 | Wyzard | unfo: ext3 isn't immune to fragmentation either -- it's less prone than FAT, but online defragmentation capability is planned for ext4, I hear |
| 02:59.23 | EugenMayer_ | Gigantic: tell your boss to buy tools :) |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | g0rAngA: that might be a good start |
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| 03:00.01 | unfo | Wyzard: I will never defrag my ext3 or (in the future, ext4) partitions. Not worth the effort. |
| 03:00.31 | Wyzard | unfo: suit yourself; that's not much of a basis for telling others that they should not defragment |
| 03:00.33 | Gigantic | you don't need to defrag ext3 >.> |
| 03:00.43 | Gigantic | actually you even cant I think |
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| 03:01.08 | Wyzard | Gigantic: Any filesystem can fragment; ext3 just doesn't tend to fragment as much as long as you don't fill it up too close to capacity |
| 03:01.19 | g0rAngA | abrotman: the problem is that I don't know what the route should be. when I use the same setup on other systems, everything works as it should. |
| 03:01.26 | unfo | Wyzard: Gigantic is a home user. Gigantic has little, if any, need to defrag. |
| 03:01.35 | Wyzard | Gigantic: but you're correct that you "can't" defragment it (the defrag tool hasn't been updated to understand current ext3 features, and corrupts the filesystem instead, yay) |
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| 03:01.49 | theGZA | can someone recommend a program to burn isos? |
| 03:01.50 | Gigantic | Wyzard: uhm, you can't defrag a ReiserFS... it just never fragment |
| 03:02.01 | unfo | theGZA: KDE or Gnome? |
| 03:02.05 | theGZA | Gnome |
| 03:02.06 | stew | theGZA: wodim |
| 03:02.10 | g0rAngA | abrotman: examining the log reveals that the only thing that it isn't doing is replacing the default route. |
| 03:02.12 | theGZA | does it have a gui, stew? |
| 03:02.24 | stew | theGZA: no, everything is a frontend for wodim |
| 03:02.32 | Gigantic | unfo: It is MY problem, I want or need to defrag fat partitions if YOU don't like the idea, I DUN GIVE A AH*T |
| 03:02.34 | Wyzard | Gigantic: background defragmentation was a planned feature for reiser4, so I don't think you can say that reiserfs cannot fragment |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | g0rAngA: does it send down anything you could use to set it |
| 03:02.46 | Gigantic | unfo: If you can't help stfu... srry |
| 03:02.48 | stew | theGZA: but if you have an iso and a blank cd, all you need to do is "wodim foo.iso" so a gui doesn't buy you much |
| 03:02.52 | unfo | Gigantic: FAT16 or FAT32? |
| 03:02.59 | unfo | Gigantic: do not be rude, or you will be kicked. |
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| 03:03.09 | g0rAngA | theGZA: I also find that grwoisofs is quite good, if you don't have a premade iso |
| 03:03.11 | Gigantic | don't incite me |
| 03:03.32 | Jmark2 | heh |
| 03:03.37 | stew | Gigantic: unfo: seems like you two should just /ignore eachother |
| 03:03.40 | Gigantic | Wyzard: oh I dunno anything about R4 |
| 03:03.44 | Jmark2 | i wish i could defrag reiserfs 3 |
| 03:03.49 | Jmark2 | but im not going to complain about it |
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| 03:04.32 | theGZA | wodim is pretty nice.. heh |
| 03:04.32 | Gigantic | let's rather discuss about politics ok? :P |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | Gigantic: #politics for that |
| 03:04.58 | Gigantic | awwww |
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| 03:05.33 | stew | no, #politics doesn't exist, and ##politics is not a channel for political discussion anyway |
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| 03:06.07 | Gigantic | I never enter that chanel... I just get annoyed in 10 secs. =\ |
| 03:06.14 | abrotman | it's a channel for doonsebury discussion ? :) |
| 03:06.32 | stew | its a channel for practicing trolling and hate speech |
| 03:06.41 | Gigantic | ^ |
| 03:06.42 | acidslep | jumps right over |
| 03:07.07 | abrotman | stew: isn't that what politics is? :) |
| 03:07.46 | EugenMayer_ | stew: i remember you helping out with some raid issue. I hope you can help me with that. sda is failing ( smartmon ). Iam preparing sdb to take its job. booted rescues, build up a raid with one disk ( sdb ) in it. chrooted, recreated ramdisk. Now my problem is, that sda will removed tomorrow but somehow i can still boot from sdb |
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| 03:08.14 | Javeir | Hello, whats the proper syntax for the mount command for a fat drive with a umask of 0? |
| 03:08.22 | g0rAngA | abrotman: nothing mentioned in the log. but it is set automatically on other systems. any way I can examine what was provided over the connection? |
| 03:08.24 | EugenMayer_ | stew: *cant |
| 03:08.34 | abrotman | g0rAngA: other systems run linux? |
| 03:08.42 | stew | Javeir: are you really sure you want umask 000 and not 002? |
| 03:08.56 | Javeir | its just for me for testing purposes |
| 03:09.00 | stew | EugenMayer_: i've never used software raid |
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| 03:09.09 | Javeir | thanks again btw stew ;0 |
| 03:09.23 | EugenMayer_ | stew: oh, ok - thanks anyway |
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| 03:09.31 | stew | Javeir: :), "/msg dpkg vfatrw" but change umask to umask=000 |
| 03:10.30 | g0rAngA | abrotman: yes, all of them. |
| 03:10.58 | g0rAngA | abrotman: come to think of it, they were all ubuntu systems... |
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| 03:11.02 | abrotman | g0rAngA: and all debian ? did you compare the ppp conf files? |
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| 03:13.06 | g0rAngA | and the peer files are exactly the same |
| 03:13.52 | abrotman | and if you set the route manually? (or you don't have a good system to check?) |
| 03:14.29 | g0rAngA | that's tricky. currently, the only spare system is the one I'm using right now to talk on IRC. |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | g0rAngA: what could possibly go wrong? :) |
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| 03:16.17 | g0rAngA | true. I'll be back with a coffee and the info in about 5-10. mmm...coffee... |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | g0rAngA: is this system currently using that pppoe ? |
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| 03:17.14 | Gigantic | abrotman: oh... Dosbox can't but I found this while looking at the dosbox info: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=199532 |
| 03:17.30 | g0rAngA | abrotman: nah, its on my old cable connection |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | Gigantic: says it's for NT |
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| 03:18.18 | Gigantic | but it;s oss at least \P |
| 03:18.31 | Gigantic | and there is source code |
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| 03:18.38 | ranix_ | apt |
| 03:18.39 | ranix_ | ! |
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| 03:19.02 | ranix_ | apt: it's been so long, buddy |
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| 03:19.10 | Johnessy | hi everyone |
| 03:19.22 | Gigantic | sup |
| 03:19.27 | Johnessy | does anyone know how to get a list of the latest installed packages? |
| 03:19.48 | Javeir | wnaa know what makes linux horrible? people don't just write 'this is how to do it', its a lot of nonsensical reading to get what you want :) |
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| 03:20.07 | Johnessy | Javeir: i see.. |
| 03:20.10 | theGZA | I have 2 pcs, both debian connected to the same router and I'm wondering how I can transfer files between them? |
| 03:20.18 | abrotman | Johnessy: there is a log in /var/log/ |
| 03:20.23 | Gigantic | NFS? |
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| 03:20.28 | unfo | theGZA: easiest way is to buy a cheap 4GB USB stick. |
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| 03:20.41 | Johnessy | so i can't just do some sort of a cat /home/myuser/.bash_history | grep 'apt-get install' |
| 03:20.54 | theGZA | unfo: anyway to do it via networking? |
| 03:20.59 | EugenMayer_ | ktwilight: theGZA check for NFS or Samba |
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| 03:21.02 | theGZA | oh |
| 03:21.05 | abrotman | Johnessy: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 03:21.14 | Gigantic | Johnessy: ssh is easiest way |
| 03:21.17 | Johnessy | abrotman: excelent, thank you |
| 03:21.19 | unfo | theGZA: fish. |
| 03:21.26 | Johnessy | Gigantic: uh? |
| 03:22.00 | Gigantic | theGZA: use ssh |
| 03:22.04 | EugenMayer_ | theGZA: or maybe just use scp |
| 03:22.11 | Gigantic | Johnessy: sorry misstell \P |
| 03:22.16 | Johnessy | ok |
| 03:22.24 | theGZA | unfo: How does fish work? |
| 03:22.34 | Gigantic | fish works trough ssh |
| 03:22.37 | theGZA | oh |
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| 03:22.53 | Gigantic | so yeah.. ssh/scp/fish w/e |
| 03:23.02 | unfo | theGZA: do you use nautilus? or konqueror? |
| 03:23.02 | theGZA | so how would i do it with ssh? |
| 03:23.05 | theGZA | uhm |
| 03:23.11 | theGZA | isnt nautilus on gnome by default? |
| 03:23.16 | unfo | theGZA: yes. |
| 03:23.20 | theGZA | then yeah i have it |
| 03:23.26 | Gigantic | if you have kde just use fish |
| 03:23.34 | theGZA | i dont have kde |
| 03:23.38 | Johnessy | theGZA: basically they have this fins right, and they usually are covered with scales..and they kinda wobble the fins around and they move |
| 03:23.40 | Johnessy | heh. |
| 03:23.45 | Johnessy | sorry, someone had to say it |
| 03:23.48 | g0rAng1 | abrotman: now on the pppoe link |
| 03:23.52 | theGZA | lol |
| 03:23.59 | Gigantic | theGZA: man sftp |
| 03:24.04 | unfo | Gigantic: no |
| 03:24.23 | unfo | theGZA: do you see the "Connect to Server"... menu command on your Places menu? |
| 03:24.25 | Gigantic | wow my first ignore ever |
| 03:24.30 | abrotman | g0rAng1: so .. that was easy |
| 03:24.34 | theGZA | yes, unfo |
| 03:24.41 | theGZA | I tried doing that but wasn't sure what to put |
| 03:24.47 | abrotman | g0rAng1: glad you fixed it! |
| 03:24.53 | unfo | theGZA: what information does it ask you to fill in? |
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| 03:25.04 | g0rAng1 | abrotman: the trick is to get it to work from my router box |
| 03:25.06 | theGZA | unfo: theres a dropdown with options.. one is Custom Location.. |
| 03:25.11 | theGZA | theres SSH too |
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| 03:25.34 | abrotman | g0rAng1: you could rig it so that it runs a script to change your default route after the pppoe link comes up |
| 03:25.35 | unfo | theGZA: choose SSH |
| 03:25.38 | theGZA | ok |
| 03:25.42 | unfo | theGZA: what else do you need? |
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| 03:25.45 | theGZA | for Server, thats the ip of the other pc? |
| 03:25.45 | Javeir | i'm trying to mount a vfat drive with umask=000, but it still won't mkae it writable to all :( anyone know why? |
| 03:25.50 | unfo | theGZA: yes |
| 03:25.59 | theGZA | unfo: err, how would i get the ip of the other pc? |
| 03:26.03 | Gigantic | theGZA: sftp command = ssh |
| 03:26.14 | Gigantic | not the sftp server |
| 03:26.42 | unfo | theGZA: does it also run gnome? do you have network-manager running in your System Tray? |
| 03:26.47 | unfo | *in your panel |
| 03:26.55 | theGZA | yes |
| 03:26.58 | Johnessy | thanks everyone! bye |
| 03:27.04 | Gigantic | t care |
| 03:27.45 | g0rAng1 | abrotman: it seems that the only difference between this box and the other one is that this has a route over eth0 to 169.254.0.0 |
| 03:28.12 | abrotman | that's not a real route |
| 03:28.23 | unfo | theGZA: right-click. Is there a "status" menu command? |
| 03:28.30 | unfo | theGZA: P.S. if you don't ping me, I won't hear |
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| 03:29.23 | g0rAng1 | abrotman:never came across it before. why's it there? |
| 03:29.29 | theGZA | i clicked on Networking |
| 03:29.32 | theGZA | few tabs |
| 03:29.42 | theGZA | Connections/general/dns/hosts |
| 03:29.45 | theGZA | , unfo |
| 03:29.54 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro: quick question |
| 03:29.57 | Gigantic | chews some oreos |
| 03:29.57 | unfo | theGZA: can you see your IP in a "Status" tab or similar? |
| 03:30.09 | unfo | stevedondley: don't contentless ping. Just ask. |
| 03:30.10 | unfo | :) |
| 03:30.11 | abrotman | Addresses in the range 169.254.0.0 to 169.254.255.255 are used automatically by some PCs and Macs when they are configured to use IP, do not have a static IP Address assigned, and are unable to obtain an IP address using DHCP. |
| 03:30.15 | theGZA | unfo: in Hosts i can see an entry for 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 |
| 03:30.30 | unfo | theGZA: no, you want to know your own IP. |
| 03:30.35 | theGZA | hm |
| 03:30.38 | unfo | theGZA: just: sudo ifconfig -a |
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| 03:30.48 | Gigantic | huh? ifconfig |
| 03:30.56 | Gigantic | or whatsmyip.com |
| 03:31.08 | theGZA | isnt it internal ip.. |
| 03:31.17 | theGZA | or else id be connecting to the same ip on my network |
| 03:31.47 | unfo | theGZA: yes. sudo ifconfig -a |
| 03:31.48 | theGZA | anyway, inet addr is what im looking for? 192.168.1.100? theres also bcast |
| 03:32.01 | unfo | theGZA: yes, 192.168.1.100 is your ip. |
| 03:32.04 | theGZA | ah |
| 03:32.09 | theGZA | so i find th eother one and try connecting |
| 03:32.11 | Gigantic | you want your public IP? or your router's ip? |
| 03:32.24 | Gigantic | local ips are usually 192.*.*.* |
| 03:32.48 | theGZA | the other is 102 |
| 03:33.14 | theGZA | all i put for ssh was ip and port, 22 |
| 03:33.23 | unfo | theGZA: do you have ssh-server installed on both computers? |
| 03:33.24 | theGZA | the thing is, shouldn't i setup the other to use port 22? |
| 03:33.28 | theGZA | ahh |
| 03:34.05 | Gigantic | ssh defaults to 22 |
| 03:34.12 | Gigantic | nmap IP |
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| 03:34.29 | theGZA | i did aptitude for ssh-server and it had a 'v' nearby |
| 03:34.38 | theGZA | then i tried apt-get ssh-server and 'Invalid operation' |
| 03:34.43 | theGZA | ( as su ) |
| 03:34.58 | stew | theGZA: apt-get needs an operation like "install" or "remove"... |
| 03:35.03 | unfo | theGZA: sudo apt-get install synaptic |
| 03:35.12 | unfo | theGZA: then use Synaptic Package GUI from now on. |
| 03:35.17 | theGZA | jesus, heh.. it lists openssh-server and lsh-server.. |
| 03:35.36 | Javeir | question, why would mount /dev/hdwhatever /your/mount/point -t vfat -o umask=000 not mount my drive as read/writable? |
| 03:35.44 | unfo | theGZA: pick either one. |
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| 03:36.32 | unfo | theGZA: I prefer lsh-server and think it installs more quickly, but most people prefer openssh-server. |
| 03:37.24 | Gigantic | Javeir: add -rw |
| 03:37.41 | Javeir | Gigantic, to where exactly? |
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| 03:37.50 | unfo | Javeir: add -o rw to the end of the command |
| 03:37.58 | Javeir | k |
| 03:38.01 | Gigantic | anythere is the sequence |
| 03:38.10 | Gigantic | no |
| 03:38.14 | unfo | Gigantic: I think you meant -o rw, correct? |
| 03:38.14 | Gigantic | not at the end |
| 03:38.22 | Gigantic | before the umask part |
| 03:39.25 | Javeir | mount /dev/sdb1 /home/tresani/test2 -t vfat -o rw,umask=000 |
| 03:39.30 | Javeir | and its still not writable |
| 03:39.38 | Gigantic | -rw |
| 03:39.40 | unfo | egypcio: ping |
| 03:40.18 | Javeir | i corrected it - still not writable |
| 03:40.43 | unfo | egypcio: sorry, I didn't notice your last message. I want to verify that you want an assembler for class, and not because you want to write ultra-fast software. Is that correct, that you need to learn assembly for school? |
| 03:40.43 | theGZA | seems like open ssh server is installed, hm |
| 03:40.49 | unfo | theGZA: that is fine. |
| 03:40.56 | Gigantic | are you unmounting first? |
| 03:40.57 | unfo | theGZA: now type: ssh localhost |
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| 03:41.04 | Javeir | yes gig |
| 03:41.18 | theGZA | connection refused, i think its not running, unfo |
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| 03:41.28 | unfo | theGZA: why isn't it running? |
| 03:41.43 | Gigantic | Javeir: /dev/X /mnt/X vfat auto,rw,user,noexec,sync 0 0 |
| 03:41.45 | Gigantic | ej |
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| 03:43.39 | Javeir | Gigantic - it still didn't mount it as writable, just readable. |
| 03:44.48 | phorce1 | Javeir: have you tried writing to it as root? Maybe it's just not writeable for your user. |
| 03:45.10 | stew | Javeir: show us the relevant line from the output of "mount" |
| 03:45.14 | unfo | theGZA: any ideas? |
| 03:45.57 | phorce1 | For mounting it rw via /etc/fstab dpkg has a factiod. /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 03:46.59 | theGZA | unfo: it wasnt fully installed.. i just did ssh localhost and it worked |
| 03:47.01 | theGZA | yay |
| 03:47.21 | unfo | theGZA: good :) |
| 03:47.27 | Gigantic | Javeir: if it is a ntfs the stiry is different.. |
| 03:48.16 | Gigantic | Javeir: for that you will need ntfs-3g |
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| 03:48.37 | Javeir | yea, its fat |
| 03:48.43 | Javeir | i'm familiar with ntfs-3g, thanks |
| 03:48.47 | Javeir | getting the stuff now |
| 03:48.54 | dacs_ | can someone please help me with my ssh |
| 03:49.01 | Gigantic | Javeir: ok |
| 03:49.04 | unfo | ruelps: any luck? |
| 03:49.09 | dacs_ | i can't use it anymore |
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| 03:49.21 | Gigantic | dacs_: What's the error |
| 03:50.02 | theGZA | unfo: im able to ssh from other comp and it asks for login, though the user is the username is for this pc |
| 03:50.13 | theGZA | do i need to setup user on that other pc equivalent to my username here for that ssh? |
| 03:50.39 | dacs_ | Gigantic: i am not able to login in from my windows box i get "connection refused" |
| 03:50.41 | unfo | theGZA: no need. |
| 03:50.48 | Obligatory | I added a 2nd PCI TV tuner card, and now my first card has jumped from '/dev/video0' to '/dev/video1', which screws up all my config files. How to make the old card '/dev/video0' again? |
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| 03:50.57 | theGZA | unfo: then? login doesnt work |
| 03:50.57 | unfo | theGZA: just tell Gnome the correct username to use when SSHing |
| 03:51.00 | theGZA | oh |
| 03:51.06 | Gigantic | dacs_: can you ssh from other non Windows systems? |
| 03:51.23 | Gigantic | dacs_: tried ssh user@localhost in the ssh server alos? |
| 03:51.27 | Gigantic | *also |
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| 03:51.58 | abrotman | Obligatory: change the card order? |
| 03:52.01 | abrotman | physically |
| 03:52.02 | unfo | shivraj: did you try debian yet? |
| 03:52.15 | Gigantic | fish = sftp+gui |
| 03:52.31 | dacs_ | Gigantic: i don't have another box, but it use to work fine |
| 03:52.47 | Gigantic | dacs_: try to ssh from the server |
| 03:53.07 | phorce1 | Obligatory: literally what abrotman said. Open the box back up and swap around which pci splots the cards are plugged into. |
| 03:53.12 | dacs_ | Gigantic: bash: ssh: command not found |
| 03:53.22 | phorce1 | splot? |
| 03:53.23 | Gigantic | dacs_: that's why |
| 03:53.32 | unfo | EugenMayer`aw: any luck? |
| 03:53.34 | abrotman | ssh is not sshd |
| 03:53.40 | dacs_ | Gigantic: right after i update it stop working |
| 03:53.43 | Gigantic | dacs_: Is not installed |
| 03:53.50 | Obligatory | abrotman, in the case? Might work. But a software method would be more satisfying... |
| 03:54.08 | dacs_ | what is the different between ssh and sshd |
| 03:54.11 | abrotman | Obligatory: maybe with udev |
| 03:54.17 | abrotman | dacs_: one is a client .. one is a server |
| 03:54.23 | Gigantic | dacs_: sshd is the demon |
| 03:54.30 | abrotman | Obligatory: it woudl depend how udev is telling them apart |
| 03:54.39 | phorce1 | Obligatory: physically moving the cards will be easier |
| 03:54.44 | dacs_ | then i need to install it again i beleive so |
| 03:54.53 | Gigantic | dacs_: yup |
| 03:55.07 | dacs_ | ~apt-get install sshd |
| 03:55.08 | phorce1 | dacs_: dpkg -l | grep ssh |
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| 03:55.27 | Obligatory | abrotman, that'd be better: I got 'udev' to switch my NIC cards the other day, but I'm not sure how to do that with with '/dev/videoX'... |
| 03:55.31 | phorce1 | dacs_: just because ssh is not installed does NOT mean that sshd is not installed |
| 03:55.44 | dacs_ | rc openssh-client 4.3p2-9 Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp repla |
| 03:55.45 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.47 | dacs_ | rc openssh-server 4.3p2-9 Secure shell server, an rshd replacement |
| 03:56.06 | Gigantic | uhm... run: which ssh |
| 03:56.15 | abrotman | Obligatory: look in /etc/udev/ .. see if there's a file that might be controlling it |
| 03:56.22 | phorce1 | Obligatory: same as with the NIC's -- figure out how it's identifying them then fiddle with the config files |
| 03:56.26 | dacs_ | nothing is returned |
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| 03:56.41 | theGZA | unfo: it worked, thank you |
| 03:56.44 | Gigantic | dacs_: do ls /usr/bin/ssh |
| 03:57.04 | abrotman | ssh is not sshd |
| 03:57.14 | abrotman | install openssh-server |
| 03:57.18 | Gigantic | abrotman: he can't find the client |
| 03:57.28 | abrotman | it's not installed either |
| 03:57.33 | Obligatory | abrotman, with the NICs I searched for raw ethernet addresses and found the right lines, but with TV cards I don't know what to look for. The string "video" didn't help. |
| 03:57.39 | abrotman | aptitude install openssh-server openssh-client |
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| 03:57.44 | phorce1 | dacs_: OK -- aptitude install openssh-server -- your install is broken |
| 03:57.46 | Gigantic | abrotman: but dpkg say it is |
| 03:57.55 | abrotman | Obligatory: that's kind of what i figured |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | Gigantic: 'rc' is not installed |
| 03:58.02 | Gigantic | dacs_: anyways the easiest just reinstall e'm |
| 03:58.02 | phorce1 | Gigantic: rc is *not* installed |
| 03:58.22 | Gigantic | lul |
| 03:58.44 | phorce1 | abrotman: types faster than me. I need another bourbon |
| 03:58.56 | Gigantic | I get lost in irc so easily =\ |
| 03:58.58 | abrotman | that'll help |
| 03:59.04 | phorce1 | heh |
| 03:59.28 | g0rAngA | abrotman: GAH! the config is the same, the versions are the same, everyting is the same, but it still doesn't work! |
| 03:59.57 | phorce1 | "another" is kind of realtive. The effects of the last one wore off at least 16 hours ago |
| 04:00.13 | abrotman | g0rAngA: so do it manually after the pppoe finishes ? |
| 04:00.23 | abrotman | or rather .. script it |
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| 04:00.48 | abrotman | g0rAngA: compare the logs .. see differences there ? |
| 04:00.59 | froze | does anyone have some tips on gwtting the ming flash compiler working with php and apache2? |
| 04:00.59 | g0rAngA | yah |
| 04:01.03 | unfo | theGZA: you're welcome. So now filesharing works fine? |
| 04:01.05 | unfo | froze: why? |
| 04:01.26 | unfo | froze: what is your planned use of ming? |
| 04:01.27 | froze | because I not having any luck |
| 04:01.36 | Obligatory | So what do I search '/etc/udev' for? Strings that don't work: tuner, tv, bt878, bttv, video0... |
| 04:01.59 | ruelps | unfo: didn't try it |
| 04:02.05 | froze | designing educational audio visual aids for preschool multilingual training. |
| 04:02.16 | unfo | ruelps: didn't try flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 04:02.42 | unfo | froze: why not use Macromedia Flash MX instead of Ming? |
| 04:03.04 | Gigantic | eh... |
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| 04:03.27 | unfo | Gigantic: eh what? |
| 04:03.39 | froze | unfo: I am partial to open source, I like writing code and I didn't know that MX was available :-) |
| 04:03.46 | Piper69 | abrotman: Gigantic : thank you so much it is working again |
| 04:03.49 | unfo | froze: what does "available" mean? |
| 04:03.59 | unfo | froze: consider also OpenLaszlo and its competitors. |
| 04:04.02 | Gigantic | Piper69: yw |
| 04:04.13 | froze | could be installed in debian |
| 04:04.17 | Piper69 | abrotman: only putty will work, but my secure CRT doesn't |
| 04:04.22 | g0rAngA | abrotman: a single extra line exists on the system that did work: replacing old default route to eth0 [192.168.1.1] |
| 04:04.23 | unfo | froze: do you use Wine? |
| 04:04.35 | Gigantic | froze: MX is not oss |
| 04:04.35 | abrotman | g0rAngA: that's the important bit |
| 04:04.41 | froze | sometimes |
| 04:04.47 | unfo | froze: sometimes it is worth it to slap down the cash for a closed-source media composer tool like Macromedia Flash. |
| 04:04.47 | ruelps | unfo: i tried to install flashplayer-nonfree from dmm but it didn't work |
| 04:04.50 | abrotman | Piper69: i've only used putty in quite some time |
| 04:04.56 | Gigantic | froze: he means you buy/pirate the software and use it with wine |
| 04:04.59 | unfo | ruelps: did you ask on the appropriate IRC channel for help? |
| 04:05.04 | ruelps | nope |
| 04:05.11 | unfo | oh :/ |
| 04:05.17 | abrotman | ruelps: i gave you more than one possible solution |
| 04:05.26 | froze | Gigantic: hmm, I would much rather stick with an oss stack |
| 04:05.29 | ruelps | i know, so? |
| 04:05.32 | Gigantic | froze: I'd say 'use java'... but w/e |
| 04:05.34 | g0rAngA | abrotman: ohhh, there's another one upon disconnection: Modem hangup |
| 04:05.35 | g0rAngA | perhaps I'm missing a kernel module? |
| 04:05.38 | unfo | froze: you mean you want to use Ming??? |
| 04:05.42 | unfo | are you sure? |
| 04:05.51 | Obligatory | Oh well, off to look up 'udev' stuff. Tnx for the ideas... (I can always swap hardware later.) |
| 04:05.52 | Gigantic | froze: yeah, sorry I dunno about flash oss apps |
| 04:06.04 | abrotman | g0rAngA: no, the route is the important part that isn't being set ... double check your ppp config files .. ISTR an option that says to request a route |
| 04:06.39 | froze | unfo: sure? no, but I haven't seen any other oss alternatives that are better. |
| 04:06.51 | unfo | froze: there are better OSS alternatives. Ask us. |
| 04:07.04 | unfo | Tell us in detail what you want to do. |
| 04:08.26 | froze | unfo: what alternatives are there that would allow for 2d graphic with audio and be able to generate a portable result for the www? |
| 04:08.54 | unfo | froze: have you considered Java (IcedTea) or OpenLaszlo? |
| 04:09.05 | unfo | How about Ogg video? |
| 04:09.10 | unfo | DHTML + JavaScript? |
| 04:09.16 | unfo | What do you want to make exactly? |
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| 04:10.09 | froze | I am looking into making multilingual character pronunciation and writing tutorials. |
| 04:10.42 | froze | Starting with English and Japanese characters. |
| 04:10.55 | unfo | froze: what is "character pronunciation"? Can you show us other websites with the kinds of tutorials you want to design? It may be difficult or impossible with Ming. |
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| 04:11.26 | froze | I have some javascript DHTML code, but audio is not so easy to make compatible across browsers |
| 04:11.54 | unfo | what browsers and OSes do you need to support? |
| 04:12.05 | Gigantic | froze: Java java and java |
| 04:12.13 | Gigantic | froze: instead of flash |
| 04:12.26 | unfo | froze: can you give us the URL so we can see your non-cross-platform audio and how it looks? |
| 04:12.31 | Piper69 | Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 04:12.37 | Piper69 | ^^how can i file that |
| 04:12.43 | unfo | Piper69: who are you talking to? |
| 04:12.45 | unfo | :) |
| 04:12.49 | Gigantic | froze: you will be able to port it everywhere ith it |
| 04:13.03 | Piper69 | unfo: no one |
| 04:13.21 | unfo | Piper69: um ok. So I will disregard what you said. |
| 04:13.22 | unfo | :) |
| 04:13.26 | Gigantic | talking to the northern winds =) |
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| 04:13.35 | Piper69 | then let me ask you |
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| 04:13.52 | Piper69 | lol @ Gigantic |
| 04:15.13 | Gigantic | Piper69: it is telling you that the /dev/hdb is not partitioned |
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| 04:15.53 | froze | the audio in this example is loaded but I am having issues getting it to play in sync |
| 04:16.03 | Gigantic | Piper69: you cna use cfdisk to create one |
| 04:16.04 | froze | I have a small numerical introduction with audio disabled atm here http://butsuri.homelinux.net/Numbers/numbers.html |
| 04:17.47 | unfo | froze: ah, a tutorial on how to write and speak the numbers from zero to ten in the English and Japanese languages. |
| 04:17.49 | Piper69 | FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive. Press any key to exit cfdisk |
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| 04:18.32 | Gigantic | Piper69: ah, then the disk is not being detected.... |
| 04:18.43 | unfo | Piper69: use sudo fdisk /dev/hdb # but this will erase all data on your disk!!! are you sure you want to do that? |
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| 04:19.13 | Piper69 | on that harddisk yeah not problem |
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| 04:19.45 | Gigantic | Piper69: sorry I was burning my fish... |
| 04:20.17 | Gigantic | Piper69: eh... that won;t work because the hd is not being detected |
| 04:20.31 | froze | thanks for the input, I need to go take care of my little one. |
| 04:20.36 | unfo | froze: good luck. |
| 04:20.40 | Gigantic | Piper69: Check that the jumpers are all k |
| 04:20.49 | Piper69 | it is detected |
| 04:20.55 | Piper69 | fdisk -l |
| 04:20.57 | Piper69 | isk /dev/hdb: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes |
| 04:21.02 | unfo | Piper69: did (sudo fdisk /dev/hdb) work? |
| 04:21.12 | unfo | oops |
| 04:21.14 | unfo | Piper69: did (sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb) work? |
| 04:21.14 | Gigantic | froze: works nice |
| 04:21.22 | Gigantic | froze: ^^ |
| 04:21.47 | Piper69 | now it is |
| 04:21.58 | Gigantic | good |
| 04:22.08 | Gigantic | just creat a partiton with it and that's it |
| 04:22.56 | Gigantic | laterz |
| 04:23.00 | unfo | Piper69: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:23.16 | Piper69 | i am trying to set up mythTV |
| 04:24.00 | unfo | Piper69: I suspect there are better alternatives to mythTV. |
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| 04:24.20 | Piper69 | ?! |
| 04:24.26 | unfo | yes. |
| 04:24.28 | unfo | anyone know? |
| 04:25.28 | g0rAngA | for doing what? |
| 04:25.29 | Piper69 | which type should i use for cfdisk |
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| 04:26.34 | ugly | when trying to record sound in audacity (or any other application), I only get silence. I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 with alsa's ice1724 driver - in alsamixer, I do not see any channel called Mic or Capture |
| 04:26.38 | ugly | any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 04:27.46 | stew | ugly: are you hitting <tab> in alsa mixer to get to the capture controls? |
| 04:28.04 | ugly | nevermind, had it plugged into the wrong port (damn 7.1) |
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| 04:29.19 | Piper69 | you can fix stupid |
| 04:29.27 | unfo | Piper69: the best alternative to mythTV is to buy a dedicated PVR. They use less power and are easier to set up. |
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| 04:29.42 | unfo | g0rAngA: for recording live TV on various TV channels at preset times |
| 04:29.52 | unfo | Piper69: but there are more alternatives too. |
| 04:30.10 | Piper69 | unfo: which one for Debian |
| 04:30.33 | unfo | Piper69: why do you insist on Debian? |
| 04:30.45 | Piper69 | because i love it |
| 04:31.03 | Piper69 | :) |
| 04:31.32 | Piper69 | and since we are in cali i will marry it! |
| 04:31.35 | Piper69 | :P |
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| 04:31.59 | unfo | Piper69: open your horizons. |
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| 04:32.11 | Piper69 | and now i pronounce you husband and machine |
| 04:32.30 | unfo | lol |
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| 04:43.08 | unfo | Piper69: why not just buy a cheap hardware PVR? you will save time for you and us. :) |
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| 04:43.19 | muddd | i just started having problems with adobe's libflashplayer so i deleted and reinstalled it (flashplayer 9) and i can view a youtube video once then i restart the broweser and it says i dont have the right plugin |
| 04:43.32 | muddd | using opera |
| 04:43.35 | g0rAngA | I've been using mythtv for a while to record free-to-air channels. I think it works remarkably well. |
| 04:43.48 | unfo | g0rAngA: but they say it is hard to configure. |
| 04:43.56 | unfo | is it? I've never tried it. |
| 04:44.02 | unfo | i.e. hard to get working |
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| 04:55.34 | g0rAngA | unfo: its pretty tricky, its true. but its worth it, I think |
| 04:55.34 | Piper69 | unfo: :P |
| 04:55.58 | Piper69 | unfo: btw i still can't mount the HDD |
| 04:56.14 | unfo | Piper69: do you have USD$200? |
| 04:56.26 | Piper69 | nope |
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| 04:57.10 | unfo | Piper69: ah. perhaps go out and be an anti-spyware technician for 1 week -- then you will have USD$200 and can buy a PVR? :) |
| 04:57.55 | Piper69 | lol |
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| 04:58.20 | unfo | Piper69: we can tell you how to advertise. |
| 04:58.35 | Piper69 | tell me |
| 04:58.56 | mu-dev | you say "eye wun yue too by dis" |
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| 04:59.34 | Piper69 | mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /home/haiger/nfsdrive/ busy |
| 04:59.35 | Piper69 | Corky:/home/haiger# |
| 04:59.58 | Piper69 | ^^^ but still can't see the HDD |
| 05:00.07 | mu-dev | so see if it's already mounted (check output of mount) |
| 05:00.28 | unfo | Piper69: first, print up business cards that say "Computer Technician", with your name and address on them. Then put one in every mailbox on your street. |
| 05:00.43 | unfo | Piper69: Are you comfortable knocking on every door on your street? |
| 05:00.52 | mu-dev | then see if it's busy (check output of lsof | grep /home/haiger) |
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| 05:02.00 | mu-dev | Piper69 so, is it busy? |
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| 05:03.56 | mu-dev | I guess he solved his problem... |
| 05:07.29 | Piper69 | mu-dev: no i didn't , my son was crying |
| 05:07.34 | Piper69 | and its not busy |
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| 05:12.46 | bReakMyFaLL | hi |
| 05:13.04 | bReakMyFaLL | i am using etch . where is the htmldir for apache |
| 05:13.16 | bReakMyFaLL | is it /usr/share/apache2/default-site |
| 05:13.28 | CcSsNET | its /var/www |
| 05:13.37 | CcSsNET | on most apache installs |
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| 05:14.15 | CcSsNET | and when enabled user directories can have public_html |
| 05:14.23 | Piper69 | why do i see hdb and hdb1 please |
| 05:14.28 | CcSsNET | site.com/~user |
| 05:14.33 | CcSsNET | good luck |
| 05:15.22 | bReakMyFaLL | hmm |
| 05:16.17 | bReakMyFaLL | ty all |
| 05:16.20 | bReakMyFaLL | :) |
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| 05:17.07 | n-iCe | Hello all, I know iceweasel is firefox for Debian, but is there anyway to install firefox, the plain firefox, because are different broswer, the navigations changes and sites like joomla's sites can't be played correctly |
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| 05:17.45 | unfo | n-iCe: the navigations changes and sites like joomla's sites can't be played |
| 05:17.46 | unfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.49 | unfo | Unanswered edited rude crosspaste from #gcc, #gnu, and #swhack: My $LANG is set to fr_FR.UTF-8. Now GCC is using UTF-8 curly quotes in its compiler error messages. But xterm and konsole are configured badly by default, so that they do not support UTF-8. Why does GCC use UTF-8 quotes instead of plain ones? |
| 05:20.00 | Wyzard | unfo: because your $LANG tells it to |
| 05:20.24 | unfo | Why does it respect my $LANG in such a trivial case? |
| 05:20.55 | ameyer | unfo: why shouldn't it? |
| 05:21.05 | Wyzard | because it produces nicer-looking messages |
| 05:21.25 | Wyzard | on the assumption that your terminal actually supports what $LANG says it does -- it's not GCC's job to second-guess your configuration |
| 05:21.44 | unfo | ameyer: because of a severe bug in how xterm handles UTF-8 curly quotes when xterm is not set up for UTF-8. It causes gcc's output to be almost completely unreadable. |
| 05:22.07 | Wyzard | then don't set $LANG to a UTF-8 locale |
| 05:22.26 | Wyzard | GCC isn't doing anything wrong |
| 05:22.57 | n-iCe | unfo: yes |
| 05:23.45 | unfo | n-iCe: please explain your iceweasel problem better. Tell us what you did, what you expected to happen, and what actually happened. |
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| 05:32.15 | mu-dev | n-iCe: or build firefox yourself... it's not available as a debian package by that name |
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| 05:33.05 | unfo | mu-dev: that won't help |
| 05:33.17 | mu-dev | well most likely it's not... certainly, debian will not distribute any such thing because the authors have asked debian not to |
| 05:33.18 | ccg | on a system where a sata harddrive is mounted under / , df and /etc/fstab dont even show the device, where i can find out the device ? |
| 05:33.20 | unfo | n-iCe: did you try the binary .tar.gz builds from www.getfirefox.com ? |
| 05:33.26 | mu-dev | unfo: it won't? |
| 05:33.54 | mu-dev | the fact is building is always available, always a choice |
| 05:33.55 | Wyzard | ccg: "mount" shows you all your mounts, though "df" should show it too |
| 05:34.04 | unfo | mu-dev: almost surely not. |
| 05:34.22 | mu-dev | due to? |
| 05:35.20 | mu-dev | show me a case where the ability to build something is not helpful |
| 05:36.10 | unfo | mu-dev: firefox is identical in function to iceweasel. |
| 05:36.18 | unfo | it is no more useful. |
| 05:36.30 | unfo | n-iCe: what is your Iceweasel user agent string? |
| 05:36.50 | mu-dev | so you're saying that even if he did build it himself it wouldhn't be any different... |
| 05:36.54 | mu-dev | that's fair |
| 05:37.32 | unfo | mu-dev: I realize I am wrong. Iceweasel's UA string is IIRC different from Firefox's. It's sad. |
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| 05:37.50 | g0rAngA | about 2 years ago, I accidentally ran as root "chown -R username:usergroup /" |
| 05:37.50 | g0rAngA | I thought I'd fixed most of the damage, but now I think there's something I missed. can anyone tell me the owners of the files in /etc/ppp (including . and ..)? |
| 05:38.03 | mu-dev | if it were made the same, perhaps things would work? |
| 05:38.38 | unfo | g0rAngA: can Cruft fix the damage for you? |
| 05:38.42 | mu-dev | there's a simple test... he can hit a web server under the control of someone here, who could look at their logs |
| 05:38.54 | g0rAngA | Cruft? |
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| 05:39.17 | mu-dev | perhaps the user agent string will appear in the logs |
| 05:40.08 | JyZyXEL | anyone know if there is a free Dynamic DNS service that you can use with your own domain name? |
| 05:40.39 | mu-dev | but also, he might not have some required module or plutin |
| 05:40.50 | mu-dev | plugin |
| 05:41.18 | mu-dev | but you're right, he's not being very cooperative with responses |
| 05:41.46 | unfo | JyZyXEL: Dunno. But try asking in #web |
| 05:41.51 | unfo | Anyone know? |
| 05:43.39 | g0rAngA | unfo: cruft looks like it might work...I'll just go and download it now... |
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| 05:45.19 | g0rAngA | JyZyXEL: no-ip offer such a service, I believe. not sure if its free though. http://no-ip.com |
| 05:45.19 | unfo | g0rAngA: excellent. There may be other tools that will work too. |
| 05:45.49 | unfo | g0rAngA: perhaps you should script a cruft-based permissions-fixer. Then email it to the cruft authors and ask them to ship it with cruft. |
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| 05:46.34 | g0rAngA | unfo: it was almost as painful as rm-ing the whole thing |
| 05:47.00 | unfo | g0rAngA: what was? |
| 05:47.31 | JyZyXEL | g0rAngA yea it was 25$ |
| 05:47.49 | g0rAngA | unfo: realising that I'd just hosed my system with a typo |
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| 05:48.15 | unfo | g0rAngA: what was the exact typo? |
| 05:49.28 | g0rAngA | I hit / on the numberpad instead of *, thus operating recursively on the root directory instead of the current dir. |
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| 05:50.31 | unfo | g0rAngA: so what was the full chown command you ended up typing? |
| 05:51.12 | black_13 | does debian support the broadcom wireless chipset? |
| 05:51.15 | g0rAngA | chown -R username:usergroup / |
| 05:51.32 | mu-dev | black_13: if its kernel does |
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| 05:51.57 | swolchok | what's the separator in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
| 05:52.13 | swolchok | tried spaces, didn't seem to work |
| 05:52.26 | mu-dev | show exactly what you set it to |
| 05:52.32 | mu-dev | and in exactly what file |
| 05:52.57 | swolchok | I did it on the debuild command line |
| 05:53.12 | mu-dev | ok, show the exact command line |
| 05:53.26 | swolchok | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=2 with_check=no with_jtreg_check=no with_mauve_check=no" debuild -i -us -uc -b |
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| 05:54.11 | mu-dev | probably you need for example --parallel=2? |
| 05:54.33 | mu-dev | what are these options being fed to? |
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| 05:54.38 | swolchok | I don't think they're ./configure options, they're read by debian/rules |
| 05:54.46 | swolchok | at least that's what I'm inferring from debian/rules |
| 05:54.58 | mu-dev | ok, and fed by debian/rules to what? |
| 05:55.34 | swolchok | oh, damn, I didn't read debian/rules carefully enough |
| 05:55.46 | swolchok | with_check = $(if $(findstring nocheck, $(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)),,yes) |
| 05:56.09 | swolchok | unfortunately, this is openjdk-6, and the checks take well over an hour XD |
| 05:57.22 | mu-dev | so with_check would either be set to "" or to "yes"? |
| 05:57.36 | swolchok | looks like |
| 05:58.01 | swolchok | and then it's used later on in the script, but the problem is I didn't realize it should have been "nocheck" not "with_check=no" in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
| 05:58.16 | swolchok | I wish there was a canonical place to look this up (probably is, but I don't know what it is) |
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| 05:58.44 | mu-dev | oh, ok.... does that solve the curr. problem? |
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| 06:01.23 | swolchok | yep, thanks for asking the right question |
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| 06:01.47 | mu-dev | np |
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| 06:14.08 | plante | t'as vu. |
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| 06:14.22 | lenios | ben quoi |
| 06:14.30 | plante | tout le monde se parle |
| 06:14.31 | plante | non, le topic ! |
| 06:14.58 | lenios | ça dit pas que lenny est sorti |
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| 06:15.16 | plante | "4.0r5 released" |
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| 06:15.39 | plak | does anyone know a way around the linux loopback? trying to talk to eth1 from eth0 going through the wire instead of loopback |
| 06:15.50 | lenios | La version 4.0r5 de Debian GNU/Linux (connue sous le nom d'Etch) a été publiée le 23 octobre 2008 |
| 06:16.10 | plante | non mais c'est la transition |
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| 06:16.12 | lenios | (en plus tu pollue le chan anglais) |
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| 06:16.56 | lenios | heureusement que tout le monde dors |
| 06:17.09 | lenios | dort même |
| 06:17.15 | plante | http://ftp.debian.org/dists/lenny/ |
| 06:17.38 | lenios | oui et? |
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| 06:19.53 | lenios | elle date ta news |
| 06:19.54 | plante | mince, ça recommence |
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| 06:19.54 | plante | l'http recommence à tourner dans le vide |
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| 06:19.54 | lenios | what's cool in debian over XP is its chinese support |
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| 06:20.05 | plante | genre ils se coordonnent pour déco |
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| 06:20.22 | plante | hey lenios, lenny apporte une feature cool : Full Eee PC support |
| 06:20.27 | lenios | you know, lenny is so much better at handlind chinese than XP tan tan tan |
| 06:21.00 | plante | tan tan taaan |
| 06:21.00 | lenios | full eee support sans le noyau 2.6.27? |
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| 06:21.44 | lenios | il y a un monde Fu ici |
| 06:22.06 | darius12_ | Is there an easy way to add ethtool/mii-diag to the initramfs? |
| 06:22.57 | plante | il y a une version d'ubuntu prévu à partir de lenny, lenios ? |
| 06:23.19 | lenios | sûrement |
| 06:23.45 | lenios | la 9.04 au minimum |
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| 06:23.58 | plante | Et son nom ? |
| 06:24.01 | lenios | donc en concurrence avec 7 |
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| 06:24.45 | lenios | elle s'appelle jack |
| 06:24.47 | lenios | Jaunty Jackalope |
| 06:25.04 | plante | C'est marrant, sur un forum d'ubuntu, un mec prétend que le testing lenny est plus stable qu'intreprid ibex et co ;x |
| 06:25.09 | plante | Mais Jack, c'est super moche |
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| 06:25.58 | lenios | ouais, prendre lenny et appeler ça jack, c'est un peu abusé |
| 06:27.20 | plante | Je sais déjà ce que je vais prendre et toi ? |
| 06:27.44 | lenios | moi j'ai intrepid ibex |
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| 06:27.54 | lenios | II tu vois |
| 06:28.04 | lenios | pour aller avec le eee |
| 06:28.09 | plante | D'accord |
| 06:28.16 | plante | et sur ton prochain PC pas puissant ? |
| 06:28.24 | lenios | pareil |
| 06:28.33 | plante | Mais il faut windows ! |
| 06:28.42 | lenios | ouais on verra |
| 06:29.34 | plante | tu fais un multiboot MacOS X Leopard 10.5.5 / Vista Ultimate x64 / Windows XP SP3 / Debian 5.0 Lenny |
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| 06:30.12 | lenios | ou Ubuntu+XP |
| 06:30.22 | plante | Tu dois essayer MacOS aussi |
| 06:30.33 | lenios | mac os je connais la couche bsd |
| 06:30.35 | plante | Il y a un traducteur chinois |
| 06:30.40 | plante | tu dois |
| 06:30.43 | lenios | :/ |
| 06:31.00 | lenios | c'est sûr que le traducteur chinois j'ai envie d'essayer |
| 06:31.17 | plante | Ouais, je sais, c'est une feature importante pour un OS |
| 06:32.32 | lenios | sinon il faudra que je regarde les pcs lenovo |
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| 06:33.08 | plante | ouais mais je sais pas ce qu'il y a des pc chinois |
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| 06:33.50 | plante | ???????? |
| 06:33.54 | plante | d'accord :/ |
| 06:34.06 | owen1 | i try to send the video to the VGA output. i try this command but i can't see anything on the external monitor - xrandr --verbose --output VGA --mode 1024x768 --pos 0x0 any idea? |
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| 06:37.53 | ameyer | owen1: let me start with the obvious: VGA cable connected at both ends and monitor turned on? |
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| 06:38.47 | ameyer | isn't sure about what the problem could be other than the obvious |
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| 06:39.24 | owen1 | ameyer: yes. it's an lcd connected via a vga to my laptop. btw, when i type xrandr -q i don't see VGA. |
| 06:41.59 | owen1 | ameyer: here is the output of xrandr -q http://pastebin.com/m2716fbfe |
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| 06:53.11 | rue_mohr | how do I know if dhcp3-client is isntalled? |
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| 06:56.10 | liable | rue_mohr: same as anything, dpkg -l dhcp3-client |
| 06:56.16 | liable | or dpkg -l|grep dhcp |
| 06:56.19 | rue_mohr | ah |
| 06:57.11 | rue_mohr | I will graually get this machine down to _one_ daemon managing the dhcp :) |
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| 06:57.33 | rue_mohr | when you get up to 3, it just drops off the network all togethor periodically |
| 06:58.53 | rue_mohr | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 06:58.53 | rue_mohr | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 06:58.53 | rue_mohr | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 06:58.58 | rue_mohr | hmm you know... |
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| 06:59.09 | rue_mohr | that dosn't look healthy... |
| 06:59.28 | rue_mohr | wonder if that partly exaplins the problems |
| 07:00.58 | rue_mohr | hmm and I suppose that stopping it while being ssh'd in was a bit dumb.. |
| 07:01.14 | rue_mohr | oh its cold and wet, and I'm gonna have to go masage its keyboard.... |
| 07:01.29 | Lovecraft | try dpkg --pending --configure |
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| 07:03.43 | rue_mohr | well, I have to go to it now... |
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| 07:07.45 | rue_mohr | :) now that pump has taken over the dns works too! |
| 07:07.53 | rue_mohr | thanks folks |
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| 07:11.29 | Agiofws | hello is there a way to easily create a desktop icon from the menu bar in xfce4 ? like click and drag from the menu bar to the desktop like windows does ? |
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| 07:13.23 | mbrush | Agiofws: can you copy the .desktop file from /usr/share/applications to the desktop? |
| 07:13.46 | mbrush | that might work |
| 07:13.52 | Agiofws | hmm ok |
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| 07:32.14 | Quintin | uhm... I installed postgresql-client and postgresql-common ... |
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| 07:32.22 | Quintin | so what is client app for postgresql? |
| 07:32.27 | Quintin | apropos doesn't say |
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| 07:33.07 | r0ny | any one good with postfix |
| 07:33.22 | Quintin | r0ny: just ask question. or ask #postfix |
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| 07:35.46 | r0ny | Quintin: (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to xx.xx.com[83.14X.80.11X]:25: Connection timed out) |
| 07:36.11 | r0ny | thats the place its trying to connect always |
| 07:36.17 | r0ny | its not my ip |
| 07:37.05 | criten | mail alias perhaps? transport map? |
| 07:37.25 | r0ny | oh |
| 07:37.36 | criten | I assume you mean its addressed to localdomain but sending it to an external server |
| 07:37.40 | r0ny | anyways to clear all the queues |
| 07:37.48 | r0ny | criten: exactly |
| 07:38.08 | criten | postfix flush (from shell) |
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| 07:38.35 | dramen | hello |
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| 07:38.45 | dramen | i need help |
| 07:39.03 | criten | dramen, so uhh, state your question and await an answer? |
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| 07:40.42 | stew | r0ny: can you show us the output of "postconf -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 07:41.34 | dramen | my gnu-compiler (gcc) tells that iostream was not found on the system although it is in /usr/include/c++/4.3 |
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| 07:42.11 | r0ny | stew: sure |
| 07:42.45 | ubd | i am using a laptop with a broken lcd, laptop is connected to a 1650* monitor. i would like to be able to close the lid and use at native resolution of the monitor. can you help me? |
| 07:43.10 | ubd | xfce... |
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| 07:43.37 | stew | dramen: g++ is the c++ compiler, gcc is the c compiler |
| 07:43.45 | r0ny | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1255056 |
| 07:43.54 | mbrush | ubd, need reboot? |
| 07:43.58 | mbrush | works on my laptop |
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| 07:44.38 | ubd | mbrush, when i close the lid view on both monitors goes off |
| 07:44.45 | stew | r0ny: what is the domain you expect it to be delivering locally, but isn't? |
| 07:45.12 | mbrush | ubd, is there a power options in the XFCE settings manager? if not i think it's in the files /etc/acpi or something? |
| 07:45.25 | ubd | ok ı wıll check |
| 07:46.12 | r0ny | stew: its mail.mysite.com |
| 07:46.34 | r0ny | but its delevering to some other ip which dosent have port 25 open |
| 07:46.54 | r0ny | i cant figure it,from where taht domain came from...i searched all the conf files |
| 07:46.58 | stew | r0ny: is the mail for someone@mysite.com or someone@mail.mysite.com? |
| 07:47.07 | ubd | thanks mbrush i managed it |
| 07:47.14 | mbrush | good stuff |
| 07:47.33 | r0ny | stew: someone@mysite.com,but its mx record is mail.mysite.com |
| 07:47.40 | ubd | now i need to use the monitor at 1650 how wıll ı do thıs |
| 07:48.02 | mbrush | Settings Manager->Screen Resolution or something |
| 07:48.04 | mbrush | Display maybe |
| 07:48.20 | r0ny | stew: whenever i try to send an email,and watching the logs its always trying to connect to that domain,and says time out |
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| 07:48.54 | mbrush | on my laptop even if I hit the CRT/LCD button, the CRT doesn't take it's own resolution until i reboot |
| 07:48.58 | ubd | mbrush: ıf ı change the resolution from there, screen goes stupid |
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| 07:49.33 | ubd | xfce panel crashed |
| 07:49.46 | stew | r0ny: if you want this postfix to accept mail for someone@mysite.com then add mysite.com to mydestination |
| 07:50.26 | mbrush | ubd: have you press Fn+CRT/LCD or whatever the option is to change screens? |
| 07:50.32 | mbrush | then reboot |
| 07:51.49 | r0ny | stew: done it now,let me try to send an email again,and lets watch the logs |
| 07:52.58 | stew | r0ny: you have to run "postfix reload" whne you make changes, of course |
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| 07:53.42 | ubd | mbrush, it worked, now ı have 1680 resolution but i dont have the xfce panel |
| 07:53.47 | r0ny | stew: postfix restart,wont do anything? |
| 07:53.58 | ubd | how can i start it (i am noob) |
| 07:54.08 | r0ny | stew: pm? |
| 07:54.52 | mbrush | ubd, press alt+F2 then run xfce4-panel |
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| 07:54.58 | mbrush | does it show up? |
| 07:55.04 | unfo | hi all, can I get Debian to reread /etc/environment so that my running KDE will pick up the new environment? If not, what is my best alternative? Restarting KDE? init 1 ; init 5? Rebooting? |
| 07:55.39 | sep | unfo, logout - login |
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| 07:55.56 | mbrush | ubd: also there is a "Panel" applet in the Settings Manager i believe |
| 07:55.58 | unfo | sep: I use kdm. |
| 07:56.21 | ubd | mbrush, thanks! |
| 07:56.26 | mbrush | np |
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| 07:57.04 | mbrush | night all |
| 07:57.07 | ubd | bye |
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| 07:57.47 | stew | r0ny: yes, postfix restart works too |
| 07:57.59 | unfo | sep: is logging out and in enough for me, as a kdm user? |
| 07:57.59 | r0ny | stew: its still trying to send that address |
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| 07:59.00 | sep | unfo, i belive so, kdm uses pam and its pam that reads /etc/enviroment but i am not an expert so good luck :) |
| 07:59.24 | unfo | sep: thanks :) |
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| 08:01.39 | stew | i can't believe i have to go find a mouse to do a firmware upgrade on this server |
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| 08:08.38 | gener1c | hey , anyone knows how i can get the ole interface in debian to display some new chars? |
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| 08:11.26 | unfo | wonders: what does gener1c mean by "ole"? |
| 08:11.37 | gener1c | Object_Linking_and_Embedding |
| 08:12.05 | gener1c | the windows thing that enables you to move stuff from one application to another by dragging a dropping them as an object |
| 08:12.28 | gener1c | now i know osx has something that can deal with that and displays the chars correctly |
| 08:12.35 | gener1c | but i cant find a way to do that on linux |
| 08:12.47 | gener1c | some chars are visible using ole |
| 08:12.50 | gener1c | and some arnt |
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| 08:14.32 | flourish | hello, it seems linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 unstable |
| 08:14.46 | flourish | when i login gdm, it always crash |
| 08:15.10 | stew | flourish: check ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 08:19.14 | flourish | my notebook have a problem about wireless connection. Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g (rev 01), when searching on google, no useful info found |
| 08:19.33 | flourish | please give some advice |
| 08:20.08 | unfo | flourish: I don't know. I don't have a wireless card. But what is the problem? |
| 08:20.24 | flourish | I think maybe the default kernel in debian does not support wireless? or bcm4312? |
| 08:21.07 | unfo | flourish: is that true? I hope you are not angry when I say: What does Google suggest? :) |
| 08:21.12 | flourish | I haven't built kernel before. How can i know weather the kernel support wireless? |
| 08:21.30 | stew | !bcm43xx |
| 08:21.31 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26. |
| 08:21.33 | flourish | unfo: suggest bcm4312 not support |
| 08:22.45 | stew | flourish: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 08:22.48 | flourish | dpkg: yes I already load the bcm43xx |
| 08:22.48 | dpkg | flourish: are you using Windows? |
| 08:22.56 | flourish | 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 08:22.59 | stew | flourish: did you install firmware? |
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| 08:23.17 | flourish | stew: broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 |
| 08:23.20 | unfo | flourish: dpkg is an IRC bot :) |
| 08:23.36 | stew | flourish: what does that mean? |
| 08:24.18 | flourish | unfo: oh, hehe, BTW, howto setup a irc server for LAN and also write a bot. |
| 08:24.26 | flourish | stew: i think this is firmware |
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| 08:24.32 | stew | flourish: did you install it? |
| 08:24.35 | unfo | flourish: (what languages do you speak other than English?) |
| 08:24.38 | flourish | stew: b43-fwcutter |
| 08:24.45 | unfo | flourish: ask your IRC server question after. :( |
| 08:24.47 | flourish | stew: sorry, this one |
| 08:24.56 | unfo | flourish: oops I meant ":)" |
| 08:25.08 | flourish | unfo: ;'( |
| 08:25.14 | stew | flourish: run "modprobe -r bcm43xx ; modprobe bcm43xx" and check "dmesg | tail" for errors |
| 08:25.17 | unfo | flourish: what? |
| 08:25.18 | flourish | unfo: :'( |
| 08:25.28 | unfo | flourish: why are you sad? |
| 08:25.37 | unfo | this is the weirdest three way irc conversation. |
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| 08:26.33 | flourish | stew: b43: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module |
| 08:27.22 | stew | flourish: did you compile the driver yourself? |
| 08:27.38 | flourish | unfo: heh, i take a mistake.;-D |
| 08:27.46 | unfo | flourish: :) |
| 08:27.57 | unfo | flourish: repeat: what languages do you speak other than English? |
| 08:28.00 | flourish | stew: no. |
| 08:28.08 | flourish | unfo: chinese |
| 08:28.10 | unfo | !zh |
| 08:28.10 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 08:28.27 | unfo | flourish: you should know for next time, you can also get help in Chinese there. :) |
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| 08:28.44 | stew | flourish: where did you see this message? |
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| 08:29.16 | flourish | unfo: heh. I don't like ubuntu-cn channel, so maybe debian-zh either. |
| 08:29.48 | flourish | stew: you mean b43: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module; just after executing your cmd |
| 08:30.26 | flourish | stew: ieee80211_crypt: unregistered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 08:30.26 | flourish | ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 08:30.26 | flourish | ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13 |
| 08:30.26 | flourish | ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <jketreno@linux.intel.com> |
| 08:30.26 | flourish | bcm43xx driver |
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| 08:30.43 | anddam | hello |
| 08:30.52 | unfo | hi |
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| 08:30.56 | flourish | oh, soory |
| 08:31.01 | flourish | sorry |
| 08:31.06 | unfo | it is ok :) |
| 08:31.26 | stew | flourish: can you put that into a pastebin instead? /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 08:32.12 | flourish | oh |
| 08:32.13 | flourish | ok |
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| 08:34.04 | flourish | stew: oh, this time " modprobe -r bcm43xx && modprobe bcm43xx && dmesg " nothing happens |
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| 08:37.21 | unfo | flourish: please do not PM me. it is considered rude to PM without permission. please paste your question here instead :) |
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| 08:37.26 | flourish | unfo: heh, maybe please give me some URI of manuals or guides |
| 08:37.33 | unfo | for what? |
| 08:37.59 | flourish | unfo: oh, sorry for that. I will remember:-) for IRC |
| 08:38.27 | flourish | unfo: but it think you PM me first. heh:-) |
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| 08:38.38 | unfo | flourish: oops I think I did. |
| 08:38.47 | flourish | unfo: ^_^ |
| 08:39.04 | unfo | flourish: sorry I accused you when I started it. my mistake. :) |
| 08:39.08 | OpenTokix | haha |
| 08:39.13 | unfo | flourish: why do you want to start your own IRC server? |
| 08:39.37 | flourish | flourish was kicked from #debian-zh by ChanServ [Invite only channel] |
| 08:40.10 | unfo | ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has set the topic for #debian-zh: "This channel is no longer officially on freenode and has been forwarded to an 'about' channel (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#termination). Please part and rejoin. Thanks." |
| 08:40.10 | unfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.11 | unfo | Why? |
| 08:40.16 | flourish | unfo: first for fun and maybe do some discass with my colleagues |
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| 08:40.56 | unfo | flourish: to discuss what? |
| 08:41.18 | flourish | unfo: i don't know. This is the first time i join #debian-zh and kicked out. |
| 08:41.29 | flourish | unfo: ^_^not blue movies. |
| 08:41.39 | unfo | flourish: see what ChanServ said? |
| 08:41.44 | unfo | flourish: to discuss movies? |
| 08:42.03 | flourish | unfo: no, some thing about work |
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| 08:42.11 | unfo | flourish: what is the name of your company? |
| 08:42.56 | flourish | unfo: no company. Just Some college studys |
| 08:43.03 | unfo | flourish: what is the name of your college? |
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| 08:43.58 | flourish | unfo: ^_^ If you want to hack in our college. OK, It's not QingHua |
| 08:44.31 | unfo | flourish: so make a channel on irc.efnet.net or irc.undernet.org. You should call the channel #QingHua |
| 08:44.42 | unfo | flourish: you can operate your own bot there I think. |
| 08:45.03 | unfo | flourish: makes sense? |
| 08:45.16 | flourish | unfo: your mean i can not just run a irc-server on LAN? |
| 08:45.31 | unfo | flourish: you can, but why do you need to? :) |
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| 08:46.15 | flourish | unfo: For fun. When i have nothing to do, I'd like to study some technique for fun :-) |
| 08:46.33 | unfo | flourish: so write some programs for fun. Maybe some games. |
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| 08:47.24 | flourish | unfo: This moment, I can't. |
| 08:47.36 | unfo | flourish: why not? :) |
| 08:48.07 | flourish | unfo: for technology reason :-) |
| 08:48.21 | unfo | flourish: what? :) |
| 08:49.32 | unfo | all : brilliant! there is a per-user equivalent of /etc/environment. It is called ~/.pam_environment |
| 08:49.45 | flourish | unfo: Ok, I just begin to learn my first script language: |
| 08:49.56 | unfo | But I still am reading up on why kdm does not read ~/.profile :( |
| 08:49.59 | unfo | flourish: which? |
| 08:50.04 | flourish | unfo: perl |
| 08:50.30 | flourish | ??? ~/.pam_environment ?? |
| 08:50.32 | unfo | flourish: ok, so you can write a text adventure. |
| 08:50.46 | unfo | flourish: Do you know the game "Zork"? Or "Colossal Cave Adventure"? |
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| 08:51.01 | unfo | flourish: yes. It is unrelated to what you were saying. |
| 08:52.27 | flourish | unfo: :-) I think we should participate ... . Zork? "Colossal Cave Adventure"? Sorry, I don't know. I just know KOF and GGXX |
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| 08:53.33 | unfo | flourish: see http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AD%94%E5%9F%9F or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork |
| 08:54.02 | flourish | unfo: OK. |
| 08:54.19 | flourish | unfo: are you chinese? |
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| 08:54.34 | kingsley | What's the difference between downloadable .iso and .img files at live.debian.net? |
| 08:54.35 | unfo | no. Hungarian. |
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| 08:55.09 | flourish | unfo: Oh, :-) why you give the link of wikipedia for chinese. heh |
| 08:55.24 | unfo | flourish: :) |
| 08:56.16 | Rvec | I got this error when trying apt-get upgrade: http://rvec.pastebin.com/m6ba6e621 |
| 08:56.19 | Rvec | any ideas? |
| 08:56.33 | Rvec | I already tried apt-get install -f, but it didn't give me anything |
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| 08:56.53 | unfo | Rvec: the key error there is dpkg-deb: subprocess tar killed by signal (Illegal instruction) |
| 08:56.59 | Rvec | yeah |
| 08:57.02 | unfo | I don't know what the key error is caused by though. :( anyone? |
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| 08:58.08 | jelly-home | Rvec: illegal instruction shouldn't happen; it might point to hardware issues |
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| 08:58.42 | Rvec | it's an old pc, so might be |
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| 08:58.46 | dal_home | hey all, I have two machines running kubuntu, both running programs that output sound. rather than hook up a pair of speakers to each computer I was hoping to be able to forward the sound from one machine over the network to the other and just use one set of speakers hooked up to that machine. Anyone know of a way to achieve this? |
| 08:58.59 | Rvec | shoutcast |
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| 08:59.02 | jelly-home | Rvec: if you have debsums installed, try verifying the checksums for tar |
| 08:59.11 | Rvec | installs |
| 08:59.49 | Rvec | :( |
| 08:59.51 | Rvec | dpkg-deb: subprocess tar killed by signal (Illegal instruction) |
| 08:59.51 | unfo | dal_home: please do not ask kubuntu questions here. |
| 09:00.02 | stew | dal_home: ask #kubuntu or #ubuntu |
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| 09:00.16 | jelly-home | Rvec: what did you expect! |
| 09:00.28 | dal_home | lets say I was prepared to be running debian with KDE installed for the sake of argument instead |
| 09:00.30 | Rvec | yeah I was just hoping it was in one of the other packages |
| 09:00.44 | dal_home | since I've been looking to reinstall something on my main machine anyhow may as well be debian |
| 09:00.48 | jelly-home | it does say "tar killed by signal" |
| 09:00.52 | dal_home | how would I do it in that case? |
| 09:00.59 | unfo | dal_home: so grab a "Debian Live" cd (does that have KDE on it?), reboot into it, then come back here. |
| 09:01.06 | Rvec | :P |
| 09:01.16 | Rvec | dal_home: shoutcast |
| 09:01.32 | dal_home | I'm not playing mp3s |
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| 09:01.47 | dal_home | or any media for that matter |
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| 09:02.04 | dal_home | one of the programs in question is a game running under wine |
| 09:02.24 | Rvec | plug the line-out in the line-in :P |
| 09:02.44 | dal_home | but shoutcast would have been a nice solution if one of the programs was xmms or somesuch yeah :( |
| 09:03.00 | dal_home | I was hoping to avoid having to make a trip to tandy or dick smiths |
| 09:03.07 | jelly-home | dal_home: a software solution is likely going to introduce a significant delay |
| 09:03.20 | dal_home | figured linux being linux there'd have to be some way to fire audio over the network |
| 09:03.40 | dal_home | I can live with a delay of a few second for one of the sources |
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| 09:04.09 | flourish | unfo: zork seems good :-) |
| 09:04.42 | unfo | flourish: you can make your own Zork clone using perl. :) |
| 09:04.46 | flourish | unfo: but, i think it can not be run under linux |
| 09:05.07 | flourish | unfo: :-) That sounds nice. |
| 09:05.10 | jelly-home | Rvec: copy the tar binary via the network from someplace else |
| 09:05.14 | unfo | flourish: it can using a z machine engine. |
| 09:05.32 | flourish | unfo: what's z machine engine? |
| 09:05.36 | jelly-home | Rvec: mv away the broken one |
| 09:05.39 | Rvec | jelly-home: I am not really close to the pc :( |
| 09:05.39 | unfo | flourish: google it :) |
| 09:05.47 | Rvec | only ssh |
| 09:06.03 | jelly-home | Rvec: I don't see the point |
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| 09:06.53 | Rvec | going to try to untar a file, but I think the tar-program is doing something wrong |
| 09:07.08 | jelly-home | Rvec: uh, your tar binary is broken |
| 09:07.16 | jelly-home | find a better one |
| 09:07.25 | aredhel | flourish, apt-cache search infocom |
| 09:08.05 | jelly-home | Rvec: it might be broken on disk, or your memory might be faulty and the in-cache copy is broken |
| 09:08.21 | flourish | aredhel: no infocom |
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| 09:08.54 | aredhel | flourish, frotz, jzip, and xzip should all be about to play zork |
| 09:09.18 | Rvec | jelly-home: if it's only the memory, can't I restart the pc to make it work? |
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| 09:09.53 | flourish | aredhel: Thanks |
| 09:09.58 | jelly-home | Rvec: restart the remote, possibly faulty pc and risk it not even booting up? Sure. |
| 09:10.09 | Rvec | hmm true |
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| 09:11.43 | jelly-home | Rvec: you can echo 1 >> /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches, but I'm not sure that'll do the trick |
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| 09:12.04 | jelly-home | Rvec: compare the output of "free" before and after that command |
| 09:13.03 | Rvec | 100 mb freed up |
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| 09:15.00 | spatulasnout | hi! i'm running etch x86_64 , i was wondering how to ask apt-get to install a 32-bit version of a library, instead of 64-bit? (libmysqlclient for instance) |
| 09:15.52 | OpenTokix | spatulasnout: apt-cache search mysqlclient | grep 386 |
| 09:16.00 | Eulex | spatulasnout, there's no general way. some packages have 32-bit versions, like ia32libs. |
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| 09:17.12 | Eulex | spatulasnout, a 'general' way would be to use an x86 chroot. |
| 09:17.25 | Coke | the ftpd package uses the /etc/ftpusers file that disallows specific users, is it possible to make it do the reverse, that is, only specified users are allowed? |
| 09:17.40 | damaltor_ | hello everybody. i have the following problem: i want to mount a vfat filesystem with read/write for exactly two users. i created a group where i put the two users in. i created the mountpoint and chowned it to the grop. i mounted with mount -o rw,gid=1003,uid=1000 while gid1003 is the gid of the new group i created. but the users still cannot RW on the device. i noticed that with ls -l i see that the group is changed back to group "root". is ... |
| 09:17.46 | damaltor_ | ... this a problem with the vfat filesystem, wich has no support for users/groups? is there a workaround? |
| 09:17.56 | Coke | This is an internal ftp so no real security is needed, I'm just wondering. |
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| 09:18.29 | jelly-home | damaltor_: make them member of a unique group, then use gid and umask mount options |
| 09:18.47 | jelly-home | oh you alread ydid |
| 09:18.49 | damaltor_ | well.. this is just what i did.. |
| 09:18.49 | stew | Coke: "grep listfile /etc/pam.d/*" you should be able to change a "sense=deny" to a "sense=allow" |
| 09:18.50 | damaltor_ | :D |
| 09:19.35 | jelly-home | damaltor_: looks like the options weren't applied at all |
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| 09:19.59 | jelly-home | damaltor_: what does /proc/mount say about that filesystem? |
| 09:20.07 | jelly-home | /proc/mounts * |
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| 09:20.41 | anddam | I'm having hard time with hfsplus, I'm going change fs |
| 09:20.51 | anddam | fsck.hfplus segfaults |
| 09:20.54 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: just a sec, nopasting |
| 09:20.55 | jelly-home | damaltor_: did you use a correct umask value? |
| 09:21.12 | spatulasnout | OpenTokix, Eulex - thanks... interesting ... i must be missing a piece of the puzzle, mentally... so it's not as simple as installing the library that *would* be installed if i were running a 32-bit OS... is there a physical difference in the library? or just no way to point apt at the 32-bit version from a 64-bit OS? |
| 09:21.13 | anddam | is there a reason to go with ext3 rather than xfs ? |
| 09:21.15 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: i didnt specify one. should i have? |
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| 09:21.36 | jelly-home | damaltor_: as a mount option. yes. |
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| 09:21.55 | damaltor_ | /dev/sda6 /media/blackbook/musik vfat rw,uid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 is what /proc knoes |
| 09:22.19 | OpenTokix | anddam: yes, ext3 is more robust. Esp. when you fill up the filesystem. Also ext3 allowes grow and shrink or FS. xfs only allow grow. However, xfs (with the right options) are slightly faster. |
| 09:22.30 | jelly-home | damaltor_: 0022 means the group write bit is masked |
| 09:22.52 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: this is the line from /etc/fstab: /dev/sda6/media/blackbook/filmevfatuid=1000,gid=1003,rw00 |
| 09:22.59 | Rvec | A "Segmentation Fault" When I am doing chmod 777 means I am screwed right? |
| 09:23.00 | anddam | OpenTokix: speed isn't an issue, is there any "preferred" support for one or the other in debian? |
| 09:23.05 | jelly-home | damaltor_: also notice no gid= there |
| 09:23.08 | damaltor_ | Rvec: true. |
| 09:23.14 | OpenTokix | anddam: ext3, keep it simple stupid |
| 09:23.18 | Rvec | :( |
| 09:23.19 | spatulasnout | as an alternative approach, is there a way to download a source package, and force dkpg to build it as 32-bit instead of 64-bit (?) |
| 09:23.30 | anddam | k |
| 09:23.35 | jelly-home | Rvec: reboot from a livecd; test memory |
| 09:23.50 | Rvec | will do when I am free from work |
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| 09:24.19 | Rvec | let's hope it doesn't crash before I get home |
| 09:24.24 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: how do i fix that? i did put a gid in the fstab... |
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| 09:24.26 | Rvec | thx for the support all |
| 09:24.31 | stew | spatulasnout: create a 32 bit chroot as a build environment. i suggest using pbuilder or cowbuilder for this (which will handle both the creating/updating of the chroot, and the building) |
| 09:25.18 | jelly-home | damaltor_: add a umask=002; umount, "mount /media/blackbook/filme" with no additional options in the command line |
| 09:25.41 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: kk will try |
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| 09:25.54 | anddam | OpenTokix: what I'm interested in is robustness, I had a power failure and hfs crashed badly |
| 09:26.01 | OpenTokix | anddam: ext3 |
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| 09:27.08 | spatulasnout | stew: ok... and once it's build, i should just be able to install the 32-bit package on the 64-bit system? (in that case, why couldn't i just download whatever 32-bit .deb that apt would download if i were on a 32-bit system?) ((sorry if i'm asking dumb questions, i still don't quite get if 32-bit libs have to be built specially to be compatible for being installed on 64-bit systems?)) |
| 09:27.10 | ghaleb | hello, I have this simple python script to addusers to ldap, but the command printed into two lines http://rafb.net/p/xYgiNF11.html |
| 09:27.33 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: holy... i just noticed that i am picking around on the wrong partition... thanks so far. i will just re-do that for the right one, hoping it works then.. |
| 09:27.37 | jelly-home | spatulasnout: debian doesn't support using 32bit packages on an amd64 installation |
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| 09:28.07 | jelly-home | spatulasnout: that's why you have to do it in a chroot |
| 09:28.33 | spatulasnout | jelly-home: oh, we're talking about running them in a chroot, not building them in a chroot? |
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| 09:29.13 | stew | spatulasnout: no you would not then just be able to install them onto a 64-bit system |
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| 09:29.37 | simon1245 | Hi does anyone know how i can install Icechat? |
| 09:29.50 | EugenMayer`aw | what do i need to configure to let exim use blacklists ? ( or does spamasssin include them ?) |
| 09:29.52 | jelly-home | spatulasnout: the chroot would be a separate i386 environment, no need for building, then |
| 09:30.11 | petemc | EugenMayer`aw: nothing, its just a dns lookup |
| 09:30.15 | stew | spatulasnout: why do you want to install 32 bit software on your 64 bit install? |
| 09:30.27 | spatulasnout | stew, jelly-home: ah, i see ... ok, thanks, i'll look into those builder tools |
| 09:30.30 | et | to be able to run 32bit apps, of course |
| 09:30.33 | simon1245 | What is the problem spatulasnout? |
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| 09:30.43 | EugenMayer`aw | petemc: "nothing" ? |
| 09:30.45 | jelly-home | stew: because he's used to normal distros where it just works! |
| 09:30.50 | petemc | EugenMayer`aw: thats right |
| 09:31.01 | spatulasnout | stew: i run game servers, and i run quake2 (for example) as a 32-bit app, because there are game mod binaries for which source is no longer available... |
| 09:31.03 | petemc | EugenMayer`aw: oh, well, you configure them in the acls |
| 09:31.13 | stew | spatulasnout: run them in a chroot |
| 09:31.18 | stew | spatulasnout: or install a 32 bit os |
| 09:31.24 | spatulasnout | stew: ok ... |
| 09:31.42 | simon1245 | Does anyone know how to install icechat |
| 09:32.04 | spatulasnout | stew: i guess i was confused, because quake2 actually does run fine as a 32-bit app ... but i finally ran into a game mod that depends on libmysqlclient, and the house of cards collapsed i guess :) |
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| 09:32.59 | stew | spatulasnout: was quake2 statically or dynamically linked? |
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| 09:34.55 | spatulasnout | stew: not certain about static vs. dynamic ... i do have the "32-bit compatibility libraries" installed, however |
| 09:35.47 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: ok, the problem principially is solved. it still doest work, but i cannot really test it. i want to have www-data, the apache user, be able to rw on that drive. however, even if group id and umask are obviously right now, www-data still cant read. i have no idea why. |
| 09:35.49 | simon1245 | Bye i ahve to leave |
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| 09:35.58 | spatulasnout | i guess i've been lucky so far, that the 32-bit apps i've run didn't have dependencies outside of the basic set of 32-bit compatibility libraries |
| 09:37.35 | EugenMayer`aw | petemc: thank you |
| 09:37.43 | jelly-home | damaltor_: you need the user to log off and log back on, or, in your case, probably restart the httpd of choice |
| 09:38.28 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: ok, will try that. if it isnt enough, i will have to reboot the machine i thinl. |
| 09:38.35 | jelly-home | damaltor_: that won't help |
| 09:39.18 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: or will the user www-data be completely "logged out" by restarting the httpd? |
| 09:39.25 | jelly-home | damaltor_: however, www-data can't _read_ makes me think something else is the problem |
| 09:40.02 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: an idea? |
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| 09:40.18 | jelly-home | damaltor_: look for clues in apache error log |
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| 09:40.40 | spatulasnout | does anyone know how 32-bit libs such as lib32ncurses5 or lib32z1 are actually built? somehow, these .debs provide 32-bit libraries that work on the 64-bit system.... (i'm getting the impression it may not be very straightforward to build libs such as these? :) |
| 09:40.50 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: restarting apache didnt help at all. i made a new folder, /var/wwwdatafoler, wich i chowned to www-data. worked immediately, no need to restart anything. |
| 09:41.13 | ringo999 | hi, anyone running deban on macbook? how did you solve the jumping touchpad problem? |
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| 09:42.08 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: if i chown it to some other user and the group they are in, www-data cannot read it anymore. |
| 09:42.21 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: must be something with the groups i think |
| 09:42.22 | ringo999 | exit |
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| 09:43.53 | jelly-home | damaltor_: your description is a bit vague. show the error log, and ls -ld of the folder and relevant file that you tried to access |
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| 09:44.33 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: will do. just a sec |
| 09:44.43 | d-b | blowfish option is obsolete, please use /etc/default/passwd |
| 09:44.52 | d-b | -- i can't find any information on how to do this |
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| 09:45.38 | anddam | bye |
| 09:45.39 | mcbane | hi |
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| 09:46.21 | mcbane | how can I check 2 directory structures for differences? Like what files/dirs do exist in one, but not in the other. |
| 09:46.41 | themill | mcbane: diff -r -q dir1 dir2 |
| 09:46.51 | mcbane | thanks themill |
| 09:46.53 | rsmith16384 | can someone test my port forwarding? ftp://guest:guest@robertandkarensmith.com |
| 09:48.12 | CcSsNET | works rsmith |
| 09:48.14 | CcSsNET | :P |
| 09:48.18 | CcSsNET | enjoy |
| 09:48.19 | rsmith16384 | do you see folders? |
| 09:48.23 | CcSsNET | none |
| 09:48.33 | CcSsNET | but ftp responded |
| 09:48.51 | CcSsNET | theres no folders listed though |
| 09:48.59 | rsmith16384 | hmm |
| 09:49.02 | rsmith16384 | thx |
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| 09:52.36 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: http://nopaste.com/p/aidwc5450 |
| 09:52.55 | Hanselmaus | Hi all... just noticed something just now. 'df' isn't accurate, is it.. |
| 09:53.16 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: really hope you can help me there.. |
| 09:53.17 | koollman | Hanselmaus: it is |
| 09:53.31 | Hanselmaus | for example, on my home parition, i have a total of 144G and used it 122G, but it says I only have 15G available, instead of 22G... i've tried this on a number of machines and found it always reports less disk available than if you do the subtraction yourself |
| 09:53.50 | jelly-home | damaltor_: I'm going afk now actually, maybe someone will jump in |
| 09:54.16 | koollman | Hanselmaus: that usually indicates reserved space for root user, mostly on ext2/ext3 filesystems |
| 09:54.17 | damaltor_ | jelly-home: oh bad... thanks though. |
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| 09:54.34 | Hanselmaus | koollman: root used has his own partition |
| 09:54.42 | koollman | Hanselmaus: doesn't matter |
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| 09:55.14 | Hanselmaus | not exactly sure how it doesnt matter? |
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| 09:55.49 | koollman | Hanselmaus: is that filesystem ext3 ? |
| 09:56.23 | Hanselmaus | pastebin to show you what 'df' outputs: http://pastebin.com/d58a5016b |
| 09:56.25 | Hanselmaus | yep |
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| 09:58.40 | Hanselmaus | just reading about ext3 reserving space for root: http://boncey.org/2006_11_18_reclaiming_ext3_disk_space |
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| 09:59.23 | Coke | stew: thank you man. didn't know it was all done via pam these days |
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| 10:01.58 | Coke | stew: I've added anonymous to the ftpusers file and changed the sense, only anonymous is in the list, yet it's not allowed to login. |
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| 10:05.12 | rsmith16384 | anyone familiar with filezilla? |
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| 10:09.58 | Gigantic | So I'm looking for a car that have Debian installed |
| 10:10.18 | Gigantic | I need a dishwasher also |
| 10:10.49 | mu-dev | so you can play with Debi the Dishwasher? |
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| 10:11.23 | Gigantic | I want to wash my dishes with an script |
| 10:11.24 | mu-dev | look at it this way... YOU get the hardware, and try installing. |
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| 10:11.29 | mu-dev | other than that... |
| 10:11.31 | mu-dev | good luck |
| 10:11.45 | ringo999 | running debian lenny on macbook: two problems unsolved: touchpad jumping and iSight not working. Anyone who can help fix this? |
| 10:12.38 | ringo999 | the worst part is the jumping touchpad, especially when coding, cursor flying all over the place when typing fast resulting in a terrible mess... |
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| 10:13.32 | mu-dev | so it actually moves the text cursor? |
| 10:13.32 | Eulex | ringo999, you're touching the touchpad by mistake when typing? |
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| 10:13.38 | mu-dev | sounds like a driver issue |
| 10:13.55 | petemc | ringo999: you can disable the touchpad when the keyboard is being used |
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| 10:14.49 | Eulex | ringo999, as long as you're using the synaptics driver for the touchpad, you can disable it while typing with syndaemon |
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| 10:15.32 | Coke | I installed ftpd, I want the simplest possible setup to allow anonymous access, but it keep saying login failed for anonymous. I've uncommented the line that is supposed to act as ftpd -A, but that still doesn't help. |
| 10:15.53 | mu-dev | did you restart ftpd after? |
| 10:16.14 | mu-dev | btw... authenticated legacy ftpd is not recommended |
| 10:16.29 | Coke | mu-dev: I'm running it via inetd |
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| 10:16.37 | Coke | mu-dev: there's no authentication |
| 10:16.45 | Coke | I would want to remove the login entirely if possible. |
| 10:17.00 | Coke | I just need our printer to put files, unfortunately the only thing it can do is FTP |
| 10:17.00 | mu-dev | then you'd have to alter the code |
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| 10:17.11 | blackgraz | hrm |
| 10:17.19 | Coke | I'm looking for the easiest solution possible to get FTP write access on this machine. |
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| 10:17.44 | Eulex | Coke, even anonymous ftp usually requires a 'login' with an email adress as the password, and anonymous as the user name |
| 10:17.46 | Coke | I've spent 20 minutes reading manuals trying to make it work with a simple anonymous login, that's 19.5 minutes more than I expected. |
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| 10:17.52 | Coke | Eulex: I know. |
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| 10:17.56 | mu-dev | is this machine exposed to the net? |
| 10:18.01 | Coke | That's irrelevant, anonymous is denied. |
| 10:18.22 | Coke | No. Please don't worry about my security issues. |
| 10:18.45 | mu-dev | have you read the documentation on the ftpd you're using? |
| 10:18.49 | Coke | It's perfectly safe. :) |
| 10:18.52 | Coke | mu-dev: yes. |
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| 10:19.10 | mu-dev | what if anything did it say to do? |
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| 10:19.30 | Coke | mu-dev: use flag -A, but I'm not running it in daemon mode |
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| 10:19.56 | Coke | the pam comments says "uncomment this line to get ftpd -A behavior", I did, but no go. |
| 10:20.12 | vs23 | coke, did you restart/reload inetd? |
| 10:20.23 | mu-dev | what debian package did you install to get ftpd? |
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| 10:20.43 | vs23 | coke, assuming that you are running it from inetd |
| 10:20.47 | Coke | vs23: hm. no. didn't think about the fact that the pam settings needed reloading. |
| 10:21.12 | Coke | I don't have a restart script for inetd. |
| 10:21.29 | Coke | Wth |
| 10:21.36 | vs23 | coke, on mine it is /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
| 10:21.42 | vs23 | ymmv |
| 10:22.18 | mu-dev | what debian package did you install to get ftpd? |
| 10:22.45 | Coke | yep, well, anonymous is refused |
| 10:22.49 | Coke | ftpd |
| 10:23.16 | mu-dev | what's your uname -r and your cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:23.30 | Coke | mu-dev: why? |
| 10:23.34 | Coke | I'm on testing. |
| 10:23.53 | mu-dev | !info ftpd lenny |
| 10:24.02 | Coke | Ohh! I always forget the names. |
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| 10:24.08 | Coke | !info ftpd lenny |
| 10:24.10 | dpkg | ftpd: (File Transfer Protocol (FTP) server), section net, is extra. Version: 0.17-29 (lenny), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 10:24.28 | mu-dev | is that the version you have? |
| 10:24.45 | dpkg | ftpd: (File Transfer Protocol (FTP) server), section net, is extra. Version: 0.17-29 (lenny), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 10:24.47 | Coke | Yes. Why? |
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| 10:25.01 | Coke | Broken? |
| 10:25.13 | mu-dev | ok, pulling teeth to get requested information is really not acceptable |
| 10:25.25 | Coke | mu-dev: requested information is irrelevant |
| 10:25.36 | Coke | I suspect I'm doing something wrong rather than that the package is broken. |
| 10:25.42 | mu-dev | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 10:25.42 | dpkg | cooperation in asking for help is probably trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about <sicco> and <research>. Abbreviated as <cia> |
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| 10:26.06 | Coke | mu-dev: I was giving relevant information, you were asking for irrelevant information. |
| 10:26.09 | Coke | nevermind. |
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| 10:29.01 | enouf | ok |
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| 10:30.22 | Neverb | after doing apt-get upgrade on debian lenny sound (alsa) was lost for non-root users. before upgrading everything worked fine. how this can be fixed ? |
| 10:30.45 | Neverb | also, now no /dev/dsp file |
| 10:30.46 | enouf | cdrom audio video plugdev groups? |
| 10:31.03 | enouf | ugh - install alsa-utils and alsa-oss? |
| 10:31.21 | enouf | !tell Neverb -about alsa checklist |
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| 10:34.28 | Neverb | enouf, thanks, adding to audio group helps |
| 10:35.24 | enouf | i wonder how an upgrade would remove users from the audio group :-/ |
| 10:35.37 | mu-dev | base-files? |
| 10:35.50 | enouf | if you're sure that's what occured, please check the BTS, and file a bug if one isn't there already |
| 10:36.08 | mu-dev | a group gets removed and then added again? |
| 10:36.09 | Neverb | BTS ? |
| 10:36.17 | enouf | !bts |
| 10:36.17 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 10:37.04 | mu-dev | if a group gets removed, the secondary group members are lost |
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| 10:37.16 | enouf | mu-dev: you got me, i have no idea - but that behaviour certainly isn't expected, if it indeed occured |
| 10:37.20 | mu-dev | unless some special arrangement gets made? |
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| 10:37.53 | enouf | i mean, also depends how large an upgrade it was .. i guess |
| 10:38.14 | mu-dev | so, you're saying that if a package has removed a group as a result of it getting uninstalled, that's a bug? |
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| 10:38.27 | Mark17 | hello, how can i install a bluetooth device (USB/Belkin) on Debian? |
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| 10:38.39 | wp | Mark17: google |
| 10:38.57 | enouf | mu-dev: er .. what pkgs created the audio group? |
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| 10:39.07 | mu-dev | good question |
| 10:39.13 | enouf | right |
| 10:39.16 | mu-dev | it could be base-files |
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| 10:39.33 | mu-dev | but I thought that package was long since gone |
| 10:39.35 | enouf | what about base-files? that's installer related, IINM |
| 10:39.45 | EugenMayer`aw | how do i stop apache advertising the php version ? |
| 10:40.45 | Gigantic | apt-get uninstall apache |
| 10:41.27 | themill | EugenMayer`aw: read the apache docs and look for the server signature options. httpd.apache.org |
| 10:41.43 | mu-dev | EugenMayer`aw that's probably a question more for #apache |
| 10:41.48 | Mark17 | wp: well i cannot find an option with google |
| 10:42.07 | mu-dev | since the answer would probably be the same whether it's a debian package or not |
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| 10:42.32 | enouf | mu-dev: there was a big change from sarge->etch concerning the base-config pkg (installer related as well) - i believe all base-config got kind of rolled into the libc6 (or was that only time zone data stuffs) |
| 10:42.41 | themill | mu-dev: almost. Where to put that config option is quite debian specific though. |
| 10:42.52 | EugenMayer`aw | Gigantic: stop trolling or you will be kicked. |
| 10:43.08 | Gigantic | EugenMayer`aw: o.O |
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| 10:43.09 | EugenMayer`aw | themill / mu-dev : thank you, its a php.ini setting i just found |
| 10:43.14 | Gigantic | who the h is troling? |
| 10:43.21 | Gigantic | I'm quit as a rock |
| 10:43.24 | EugenMayer`aw | [11:39] <EugenMayer`aw> how do i stop apache advertising the php version ? |
| 10:43.25 | EugenMayer`aw | [11:40] <Gigantic> apt-get uninstall apache |
| 10:43.39 | mu-dev | that would be one way of doing that |
| 10:43.41 | Gigantic | ah lol... that's not trolling.... |
| 10:43.51 | mu-dev | as would stopping apache entirely |
| 10:43.54 | themill | Actually, I think that sounds like a perfectly sensible way of achieving that goal. |
| 10:44.14 | enouf | ... |
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| 10:44.40 | Gigantic | =P |
| 10:44.45 | EugenMayer`aw | "my hdd is full, how can i help m" -> "rm / -fr" |
| 10:44.59 | EugenMayer`aw | 1 / 10 is doing that because you guys are joking |
| 10:45.01 | mu-dev | how can i help me? |
| 10:45.13 | Gigantic | oh come on is just a joke... he's not uninstalling apache |
| 10:45.29 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 10:45.31 | enouf | So, why when i send 'etherwake -b -D x.x.x.x' to a xpoop pro pc which is in standby mode on my LAN, that it doesn't wake up? :-/ |
| 10:45.41 | themill | EugenMayer`aw: except that "apt-get uninstall" is (a) non-destructive and (b) wouldn't do anything. |
| 10:45.44 | batcoder-7 | the channel is actually active past 4 am |
| 10:45.56 | enouf | Yes, there's the apropos entries in /etc/ethers |
| 10:46.03 | Gigantic | Debian is always active |
| 10:46.05 | themill | batcoder-7: it's 11am here |
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| 10:46.12 | batcoder-7 | wheres here? |
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| 10:46.39 | EugenMayer`aw | Gigantic: jokes in here are not a good idea. Sarcastics and ironics cant be read in IRC |
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| 10:46.51 | themill | EugenMayer`aw: drop it, will you |
| 10:46.53 | batcoder-7 | after 4 am its usually not all too active not like it is between 5pm - 11 pm eastern usa time |
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| 10:47.02 | mu-dev | but the issue itself is more about the internal workings of apache (an idea that was presented to you earlier) |
| 10:47.03 | kstt | hi there |
| 10:47.09 | enouf | Gigantic: it was not only a silly comment - but also shows your ignorance ;-) |
| 10:47.28 | Gigantic | enouf: of course... it mean.. I have no idea |
| 10:47.43 | Gigantic | and was intended to be silly... |
| 10:47.47 | Gigantic | meh... |
| 10:48.08 | kstt | Does anybody know how to extract filesystem permissions for a given file, please ? |
| 10:48.11 | enouf | more coffee ;-) |
| 10:48.18 | enouf | extract? stat |
| 10:48.22 | kstt | I'd like to store them as strings in a separate file |
| 10:48.28 | Gigantic | you mean like in ls -n? |
| 10:48.29 | enouf | ... |
| 10:48.39 | themill | kstt: stat |
| 10:48.42 | mu-dev | why? |
| 10:48.47 | kstt | thx, man stat |
| 10:49.01 | OpenTokix | ls -l | cut -d " " -f 1 > /tmp/fil.list |
| 10:49.17 | themill | gives OpenTokix some files with spaces in their names |
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| 10:49.36 | enouf | OpenTokix: haha - but which files do the perms correspond to? ;-) |
| 10:49.37 | mu-dev | that only gives the perm, not the name anyway |
| 10:49.44 | OpenTokix | enouf: Did he ask that? =) |
| 10:50.01 | themill | parsing the output of ls is a mugs game, but feel free to go into #bash and suggest that |
| 10:50.31 | mu-dev | no, but I assume he wants that anyway, if he didn't, then my question of "why" becomes 10 times stronger |
| 10:50.34 | kstt | themill: indeed, I was looking for something dedicated to that, I'm reading stat manpage |
| 10:50.35 | OpenTokix | themill: come on, you can't make a smug remark and then go and be "you are offtopic, whine whine, I have my pocket protector here" |
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| 10:50.42 | themill | !wayttd kstt |
| 10:50.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kstt? |
| 10:51.01 | kstt | backup system |
| 10:51.14 | themill | OpenTokix: what? Seriously, parsing the output of ls is not a good habit to be in. |
| 10:51.24 | mu-dev | if you use tar to store the files, the permissions are stored with it |
| 10:51.26 | OpenTokix | themill: I aint =) |
| 10:51.29 | Gigantic | dpkg speaking! :O |
| 10:51.29 | dpkg | Gigantic: wish i knew |
| 10:51.30 | OpenTokix | kstt: rsnapshot |
| 10:51.32 | kstt | I don't use tar |
| 10:51.41 | OpenTokix | kstt: rsnapshot ftw. |
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| 10:51.56 | themill | kstt: any sane backup system should do this for you already. rsync or tar or rsnapshot are better for this |
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| 10:52.03 | kstt | I'll look into it |
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| 10:52.10 | kstt | rsync does transport |
| 10:52.33 | themill | kstt: if you really want to have a list of files and permissions though, use find. /msg dpkg using find |
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| 10:52.36 | kstt | but you need, obviously, to have root perms on backup system |
| 10:52.37 | mu-dev | correct, it actually does the backup |
| 10:52.49 | mu-dev | yes |
| 10:53.09 | EugenMayer`aw | themill: while i also love / use rsnapshot, isnt it outdated to learn now ( wasnt there an newer way / better way? ) |
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| 10:53.24 | mu-dev | since if you're restoring, you would need root perms to restore things owned by root or owned by anyone but you |
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| 10:53.39 | themill | EugenMayer`aw: what's outdated about rsnapshot? |
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| 10:53.54 | EugenMayer`aw | i thought it is discontinnued ( development ) |
| 10:54.07 | mu-dev | old stuff is not necessarily bad stuff... |
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| 10:54.21 | mu-dev | not maintained, end-of-lifed, that's bad |
| 10:54.22 | themill | EugenMayer`aw: oh. Not that I know of. It's essentially feature complete though, so there's not much to do. |
| 10:54.54 | EugenMayer`aw | themill: its a great tool no doubt |
| 10:55.14 | themill | EugenMayer`aw: their website says nothing about it being unmaintained or not recommended any more |
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| 10:57.05 | petemc | dirvish isnt being developed any more |
| 10:57.24 | petemc | tho i still use it as it works well for me |
| 10:57.43 | mu-dev | it whirls? |
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| 10:58.05 | enouf | debian does ;-) |
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| 10:58.19 | phanter | hi there |
| 10:58.24 | enouf | bacula, amanda, rdiff-backup, ..yadda yadda |
| 10:59.02 | phanter | I am trying to install debianin qemu, but it asks for a cdrom driver. This blocks the installation. How can I install debian in Qemu? |
| 10:59.04 | petemc | bacula and amanda are different beasts to any of the rsync based apps, ime |
| 10:59.15 | EugenMayer`aw | petemc: i used drivish also. I like rsnapshot more while i love the way dirvish is serving the configu files + how you configure the keep monthly, weekly etc |
| 10:59.23 | enouf | well - i can telll you this, xpoop doesn't like files transfered over cifs using rsync -a ;-P |
| 10:59.48 | petemc | i use smb mounts for rsync backups daily |
| 10:59.57 | petemc | or cifs, i should say |
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| 11:00.08 | enouf | indeed - and so is backuppc.sf.net .. etc .. yadda yadda |
| 11:00.09 | petemc | whats xpoop? |
| 11:01.10 | mu-dev | something that's not poop any more? |
| 11:01.21 | themill | petemc: the object oriented program version of a popular operating system from the northwest of the US of A, of course. |
| 11:01.50 | OpenTokix | rsnapshot is so simple and nice |
| 11:01.50 | petemc | oh, of course |
| 11:01.52 | enouf | rsync: failed to set times on "/mnt/point/.": Permission denied (13) |
| 11:01.53 | enouf | vlc-0.9.4-win32.exe |
| 11:02.16 | enouf | mu-dev: x == eXtra ;-) |
| 11:02.36 | themill | enouf: you're using cifs as the target to the sync? I think petemc is talking about using that as the data source |
| 11:02.41 | mu-dev | so there's more poop than requred? |
| 11:02.56 | enouf | stanky ho :-P |
| 11:03.06 | petemc | themill: corrent |
| 11:03.09 | petemc | correct |
| 11:03.33 | enouf | themill: i'm copying files from linux over cifs to xpoop |
| 11:04.00 | enouf | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(892) [sender=2.6.8] |
| 11:04.16 | mu-dev | copooping? |
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| 11:04.34 | themill | enouf: which is the opposite of what petemc is doing. There are extra options that rsync (and/or cifs) that can help with that. (please don't ask me what....!) |
| 11:04.46 | enouf | mu-dev: co-oper-pooping ;-) |
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| 11:04.58 | phanter | sorry, connection dropped |
| 11:05.25 | enouf | themill: i was the one whom made a statement, so what i'm doing is what's relevant ;-) |
| 11:06.17 | Mark17 | is it possible to get a list on debian with connected usb ports (so where something is connected to it) |
| 11:06.34 | Mark17 | so i can see on what ports i have USB/Bluetooth dongles? |
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| 11:08.09 | enouf | themill: fortunately i don't care about timestamps on that xpoop box, mainly because it can't even keep system time when it goes into standby mode anyway :-P and .. i'm not sure i want to add all the SP Bloat to try and fix it - very small HDD (and only 128M ram), and it's quite fast still at this point ;-) |
| 11:09.39 | enouf | goes back to bed .. that cold pepperoni pizza + coffee hit the spot ;-) |
| 11:11.04 | Mark17 | enouf: here it is just 12:10 o clock ;) |
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| 11:11.55 | pyqwer | Hi, I'm a debian newbie and on my freshly installed system, there's no gcc installed - how can I install it? "apt-get gcc" seems not to be enough? |
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| 11:12.31 | pyqwer | Is there some way to install all common development tools (gcc, make) alltogether? |
| 11:12.34 | sep | !tell pyqwer about search |
| 11:12.39 | enouf | !b-e |
| 11:12.39 | dpkg | well, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 11:13.43 | pyqwer | dpkg: Ah, I see. |
| 11:13.43 | dpkg | pyqwer: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 11:13.54 | enouf | man apt-get, /msg dpkg grounding (you missed the install part) |
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| 11:14.25 | vvd | hello, how would i tell my c++ program to link against libs in /usr/lib/debug? ive edited /etc/ld.so.conf, set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, set -L/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib to the LD_FLAGS but ld always links against libs in /usr/lib. |
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| 11:14.55 | enouf | pyqwer: the dpkg here in the channel is our helpful bot - the low-level pkg manager (dpkg) is the one on your system |
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| 11:15.14 | mu-dev | the same way you tell it to in C... -L/usr/lib/debug |
| 11:15.35 | vvd | mu-dev: not -L/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib ? |
| 11:15.49 | vvd | because thats where the libs are |
| 11:16.11 | enouf | ldconfig? ldd? |
| 11:16.17 | mu-dev | didn't you just say "libs in /usr/lib/debug"? |
| 11:16.59 | mu-dev | what kind of linking btw? |
| 11:17.22 | vvd | what kinds are there? |
| 11:17.28 | mu-dev | static |
| 11:17.31 | mu-dev | dynamic |
| 11:17.35 | vvd | ok, dynamic |
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| 11:18.00 | mu-dev | you put the -lthislib after the -L |
| 11:18.08 | vvd | i have /usr/lib/libfltk1.so and /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libfltk1.so |
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| 11:18.21 | vvd | yeah, did that |
| 11:18.38 | vvd | ldd always shows linkage against /usr/lib/libfltk1.so though |
| 11:18.41 | mu-dev | why not set LD_LIBRARY_PATH when you run |
| 11:19.05 | vvd | havent tried that yet |
| 11:19.55 | mu-dev | when enouf brought up ldconfig, maybe one thing he was thinking of was how ld.so (the runtime dynamic linker) works |
| 11:20.34 | mu-dev | that part is tied to ld.so.conf |
| 11:20.37 | mu-dev | in /etc |
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| 11:21.15 | mu-dev | and you'd alter that file if you wanted to make these libs available -permanently- and to -everyone- on the system |
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| 11:21.34 | mu-dev | and then run ldconfig to put it in the cache |
| 11:21.38 | enouf | hrm, also - now we have /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* ? |
| 11:21.44 | jelly | I though the usual way to use _dynamic_ debug libs would, indeed, be with LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:22.02 | mu-dev | but the one-off way of doing the basic same thing is by setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:22.22 | Marbug`` | hi, I have a Qteq x100 pocket pc, but there is windows on it, I googled and found out there was a debian package for it, anyone who got some experiance with it? I want to ask some questions about it |
| 11:23.00 | vvd | setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH worked |
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| 11:23.30 | vvd | mu-dev: i put /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib on top of /etc/ld.so.conf and ran ldconfig before |
| 11:23.34 | mu-dev | so the other thing would work too, but as jelly mentions you probably don't want it to be permanent |
| 11:23.38 | vvd | which basically did nothing |
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| 11:24.12 | mu-dev | maybe order matters |
| 11:24.18 | jelly | vvd: that's for ld.so, the runtime dynamic linker; nothing to do with "ld" |
| 11:24.40 | jelly | and LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for ld.so as well |
| 11:25.22 | jelly | but perhaps you asked the wrong question in the first place? |
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| 11:26.32 | vvd | dunno |
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| 11:27.55 | vvd | what is the difference between debug libs in debian and standard libs? |
| 11:28.02 | vvd | are standard libs stripped? |
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| 11:28.16 | vvd | or more optimized? |
| 11:28.18 | anddam | hi |
| 11:28.25 | vvd | or both and/or more? |
| 11:28.32 | anddam | I'm having a permission problem with a user mounted ext3 partitino |
| 11:28.34 | anddam | partition* |
| 11:29.01 | anddam | I can't write on it as user, the mountpoint is root:root owned with 755 |
| 11:29.12 | enouf | vvd: IINM, the basic thing that's stripped is indeed the debugging symbols |
| 11:29.19 | anddam | but I'm mounting the partition as user |
| 11:29.38 | Hanselmaus | I have a harddrive that clicks when you start the machine. The bios won't detect it properly. Anyone have any suggestions about how to recover it? |
| 11:29.51 | enouf | freezer? |
| 11:30.01 | Hanselmaus | any tools that will go low level on the drive? |
| 11:30.28 | jelly | Hanselmaus: it's dead, Jim! |
| 11:30.32 | enouf | anyone know the factoid for the freezer trick for HDD clicks of death? |
| 11:31.43 | jelly | Hanselmaus: if you want the files really bad, I'd suggest a data recovery business |
| 11:32.36 | Hanselmaus | sounds like the click of death, but not even the bios will read it properly, which suggests some mainboard fault |
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| 11:33.03 | vvd | hmm, this is so nuts, yesterday my app didnt had this segfaulting...and i changed nothing...today it didnt run once without segfaulting :> |
| 11:33.13 | masus | hi all, does anyone use sancp with debian etch ? |
| 11:33.42 | anddam | I had to change the ownership of the mountpoint to my user, is that normal? |
| 11:33.57 | enouf | as long as the BIOS not seeing it doesn't stop the boot process, you're fine |
| 11:34.43 | enouf | anddam: yep .. IINM |
| 11:34.51 | anddam | enouf: IINM? |
| 11:34.54 | Hanselmaus | fine, in what sense? :p |
| 11:35.00 | enouf | !iinm |
| 11:35.01 | dpkg | from memory, iinm is "If I'm Not Mistaken" |
| 11:35.22 | anddam | enouf: thanks |
| 11:35.24 | anddam | !thanks |
| 11:35.24 | dpkg | bitte, anddam |
| 11:35.25 | enouf | Hanselmaus: fine enough to "work on it" ;-) |
| 11:35.41 | Hanselmaus | its not stopping the boot process |
| 11:36.06 | enouf | ok, could have at it with ddrescue/gddrescue, testdisk, etc |
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| 11:36.15 | Hanselmaus | just not detecting it either... on one machine, first boot doesnt detect it, second boot has it show up as a 2.5T drive with strange settings |
| 11:36.16 | Hanselmaus | :p |
| 11:36.36 | enouf | !freezer |
| 11:37.06 | enouf | (but don't hold me responsible ;-)) |
| 11:37.37 | enouf | as jelly mentioned - if you really want the data - take it to the pros |
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| 11:38.37 | enouf | -> more pizza ;-) |
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| 11:40.53 | johndoe | how do i run java (.jar) programs? i have java 1.5 and gij-4.3 |
| 11:42.07 | themill | johndoe: "java -jar /path/to/frobinator.jar" is often enough |
| 11:42.26 | anddam | I connected an usb drive with apple partition table, in dmesg I see [13948.260010] sda: [mac] sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 |
| 11:42.46 | johndoe | themill: i always get this "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException |
| 11:42.46 | johndoe | " |
| 11:42.47 | anddam | how should I check what device I have to use? what's that [mac] ? |
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| 11:42.56 | Mark17 | hello, how can i install a bluetooth device (USB/Belkin) on Debian? After doing the things i did found with google it still fails to load |
| 11:42.58 | Mark17 | :S |
| 11:43.03 | themill | johndoe: can you pastebin the entire output? /msg dpkg paste |
| 11:43.20 | Mark17 | i get an pand[4344]: Inquiry failed. No such device(19) |
| 11:43.24 | Mark17 | error |
| 11:43.41 | enouf | anddam: see if mac-fdisk can help as well |
| 11:43.43 | johndoe | themill: http://rafb.net/p/dqYmir75.html |
| 11:44.04 | anddam | enouf: I've mounted it using /dev/sda but I'm confused as I'd have normally used sda1 or so |
| 11:44.16 | enouf | anddam: i suspect [mac] is short for macintosh :-P |
| 11:44.38 | anddam | enouf: I suspect too :-) |
| 11:45.05 | enouf | !info mac-fdisk |
| 11:45.18 | anddam | enouf: I mean why I mount /dev/sda rather than a partition, I suspect it's related to different partition table system |
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| 11:47.08 | my007ms | what if i need to make this deb for my sparc machine |
| 11:47.09 | my007ms | http://www.gallet.info.free.fr/debian/pool/main/sarge/libapache2-mod-auth-cookie-mysql/?S=D |
| 11:47.17 | enouf | aha |
| 11:47.24 | enouf | !info gnu-fdisk |
| 11:47.26 | dpkg | gnu-fdisk: (Linux fdisk replacement based on libparted), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-3+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
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| 11:47.38 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.38 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.12 | maligor | you could left out that second line, it would've been funnies |
| 11:48.13 | anddam | enouf: sadly it's read-only, can't say why |
| 11:48.19 | maligor | err, funnier |
| 11:48.26 | enouf | anddam: hpfs+ is ro |
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| 11:49.18 | johndoe | themill: any ideas? |
| 11:49.21 | enouf | try the various hfsplus pkgs ... sorry - i meant HFS is rw, the + isn't, IIRC |
| 11:49.53 | enouf | i don't know what i mean, between xpoop and crapple ... heh |
| 11:50.11 | anddam | enouf: not really |
| 11:50.21 | enouf | oh? |
| 11:50.30 | anddam | enouf: I've been using an hfsplus partition till this morning |
| 11:50.39 | enouf | and? |
| 11:50.40 | anddam | and I wrote it a lot |
| 11:50.54 | enouf | using macos 10.x ? |
| 11:51.01 | anddam | enouf: ? |
| 11:51.03 | anddam | using lenny |
| 11:51.13 | anddam | I wouldn't be here otherwise |
| 11:51.38 | enouf | well, there is a version of hfsplus that there is no write support for - details? not sure |
| 11:51.57 | enouf | there used to be, in 2.4 kernels, but i |
| 11:52.04 | enouf | there used to be, in 2.4 kernels, but it's been removed, IINM |
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| 11:53.01 | enouf | so, shall we keep guessing about your crapple partitions, or are you going to run gnu-fdisk on the sucker and find out? |
| 11:53.09 | Mark17 | now the usb/blutooth dongle is working :) |
| 11:53.17 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 11:53.17 | dpkg | it has been said that \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
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| 11:55.53 | johndoe | shabang! |
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| 11:57.52 | Mark17 | does somebody know how i can pair from a debian system with bluetooth dongle to a mobile phone? |
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| 11:58.31 | up365 | Mark17, yes I do, dongle to Nokia |
| 11:59.24 | anddam | enouf: /dev/sda1 1 1 8001 Apple_partition_map |
| 11:59.24 | anddam | /dev/sda3 17 3648 29166007 Apple_HFS |
| 12:00.07 | enouf | nice - no sda2 nor sda4 ? |
| 12:00.21 | anddam | no |
| 12:00.32 | enouf | dmesg lied! |
| 12:00.38 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:00.42 | anddam | and |
| 12:00.43 | anddam | $ mount | grep sda |
| 12:00.43 | anddam | /dev/sda on /mnt/usbdisk type hfsplus (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=andrea) |
| 12:00.46 | enouf | so mount sda3 |
| 12:01.14 | anddam | I'm copying 30gb on usb1.0, mounting sda3 have to wait a little |
| 12:01.27 | Mark17 | up365: what do i need to do to get the connection working? |
| 12:01.35 | enouf | ,,, |
| 12:01.42 | enouf | ... even |
| 12:01.44 | up365 | Mark17, http://debaira.blogspot.com/ and check the other pages there |
| 12:02.33 | up365 | I'm on etch & Gnome, used install steps from that link. |
| 12:02.41 | enouf | anddam: it's likely 1.1, but still quite tragic and painful ;-) |
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| 12:04.19 | enouf | !seen wols |
| 12:04.19 | dpkg | wols <i=klingens@p549DDB33.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23d 10h 14m 52s ago, saying: 'abrotman: you help then. HAND'. |
| 12:04.31 | enouf | ouch |
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| 12:04.47 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 12:04.47 | dpkg | < hp_omnifook_2000> sry, i'm still windows-dumb |
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| 12:05.47 | anddam | enouf: I aborted and mounted sda3 but it's still ro |
| 12:06.59 | anddam | still mounting sda3 seems more reasonable |
| 12:07.29 | phanter | is it possible to install debian in Qemu without it asking for the cd-rom drivers? |
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| 12:08.35 | zxxd | hi |
| 12:08.44 | zxxd | does anyone know if this is supported in linux http://www.datadeliverance.com/docs/symlink.html ? |
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| 12:12.29 | Neosat | Hello to all |
| 12:12.39 | Mark17 | up365: it looks nice, but it works that you enter the pin on the phone to connect to the system and i need to enter the pin on the system to connect to the phone |
| 12:13.22 | Neosat | I am trying to install debian on a 8GB CF with a CF to IDE adaptor but when booting it stacks saying GRUB |
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| 12:13.44 | Neosat | I have the same installation on a 1GB CF with no problems |
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| 12:14.32 | Neosat | Anyone? |
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| 12:15.17 | Neosat | stacks = stops and wait |
| 12:16.03 | phanter | i canot find anything on google about this. there nobody seems to have any problem with the installation :( |
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| 12:18.39 | Neosat | I have made the installation on a 1GB CF with no problem and it works but it seems to have problem with my new 8GB CF |
| 12:19.10 | Neosat | It stays on GRUB and cannot continue |
| 12:19.25 | Neosat | Just one word 'GRUB' |
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| 12:20.23 | Neosat | I have try the option ide=nodma during installation but still the same results |
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| 12:24.31 | Mark17 | how can i connect from my debian system to my mobile phone with bluetooth (using hcitool scan and hcitool inq and l2ping {mac address} works correctly) |
| 12:25.14 | Mark17 | but how to connect so i can get data from the mobile phone and use it to send sms/call with it? |
| 12:25.17 | phanter | Mark17 Maybe you can share your mobile phone brand as wel |
| 12:25.24 | Mark17 | samsung |
| 12:25.41 | phanter | Mark17 I did not manage with that phone :(, sorry |
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| 12:26.46 | phanter | which type of phone is it? |
| 12:27.01 | Mark17 | phanter: did you manage it with an other phone? |
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| 12:27.46 | phanter | I managed with Nokia |
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| 12:28.12 | phanter | but there is enough info on that (try google, the samsung is a different story) |
| 12:28.36 | Mark17 | it should work the same on the debian side |
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| 12:28.57 | Mark17 | but almost always they use gnome or kde and i only have the cli available |
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| 12:30.16 | phanter | most tools work via cli as well... problem is more the connection you make with the phone. Not all phones are the same and thus not all phones can be accessed by these tools. Mine (samsung 770) had not drivers (when I looked for it) |
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| 12:32.32 | Mark17 | i have the samsung sgh-b220b if i may believe samsung.com/the manual |
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| 12:33.36 | anddam | enouf: still there? |
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| 12:35.04 | enouf | anddam: just leaving .. |
| 12:35.33 | anddam | enouf: the only difference is that I used hfsplus on eide bus rather than on usb via sd |
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| 12:37.52 | liable | to get more pizza? |
| 12:37.59 | enouf | heh |
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| 12:48.21 | Ongavezirr | Hallelujja |
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| 12:55.31 | clamiax | hi |
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| 12:57.53 | clamiax | i wondering if it's possible to assign more logical names to a physical network interface. This is useful with ifup/ifdown when you need to connect to a different WiFi networks (one for time) without edit the configuration file. I'd read the interfaces(5) man page about "mapping" but it need a script file in order to work, which i don't need at all. |
| 12:58.02 | clamiax | Does anyone have an idea/URI about? THX in advanced. |
| 12:58.05 | phanter | How can I start the debian install from anything different then a cd-rom. Somehow it is _always_ asking for the cd-rom (no matter how I try to boot it) |
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| 12:58.55 | maligor | clamiax, the persistent udev rules maybe? |
| 12:59.04 | phanter | debian is getting on my nerves with their st*p*d installation issues |
| 12:59.19 | maligor | clamiax, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 12:59.25 | Crooksey | hey, I am looking to replace my Gentoo insatll as I no longer feel portage etc is uptodate enough, but aside form that I have decided to move to debian, but I wish to install the unstable? branch, is it called sid/lenny? As im looking to have as uptodate packages as possible, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what iso I need, preferably netinstall. |
| 13:00.00 | maligor | Crooksey, use the debian installer ones |
| 13:00.12 | joeytwiddle | i got my first debian from a 22meg tarball, unpacked it then upgraded over 56k :) |
| 13:00.37 | Crooksey | maligor, is that the unstable tree effectively? |
| 13:00.44 | clamiax | maligor: it's disabled, i commented it out some times ago. I don't remember why, to be honest. |
| 13:00.58 | clamiax | ah yes |
| 13:01.11 | clamiax | maligor: i disabled it when i switched from the ipw3945 to the iwl driver |
| 13:01.12 | maligor | clamiax, well, they assign the names to the interfaces based on mac |
| 13:01.32 | clamiax | maligor: i only have wlan0 for WiFi networks |
| 13:01.36 | maligor | Crooksey, actually not sure if there is a direct unstable installer |
| 13:01.55 | maligor | you can install lenny and ... 'upgrade' to unstable |
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| 13:02.22 | clamiax | maligor: i would like to call ifup (enabling wlan0) with a keyword depending on where i am. E.g.: ifup my-gf, ifup work, ifup home, and so forth |
| 13:02.32 | clamiax | maligor: all these should use the same wlan0 network interface. |
| 13:02.41 | maligor | oh.. yes, that's possible |
| 13:02.44 | Crooksey | maligot -What, would that be, install a lenny base, then use an usntable source.lst? |
| 13:02.52 | Crooksey | maligor -What, would that be, install a lenny base, then use an usntable source.lst? |
| 13:02.59 | maligor | clamiax, 'man interfaces' |
| 13:03.21 | clamiax | maligor: i did, the problem with "mapping" is that it requires a script file. |
| 13:03.46 | clamiax | maligor: interfaces(5) explains that for mapping you must use a script file which is called with the interface name as argument |
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| 13:04.08 | clamiax | maligor: i only would like to have different keywords for the same interfaces, no need to make things complex. |
| 13:04.16 | maligor | Crooksey, and run aptitude full-upgrade |
| 13:04.52 | Crooksey | maligor - Could you give me a sources.lst to use? |
| 13:05.13 | Crooksey | maligor, should I just to a base install, then upgrade everything, then install the apps I want? |
| 13:05.24 | maligor | in most cases you can just change 'lenny' or 'testing' to 'unstable' |
| 13:05.30 | maligor | in the sources.list file |
| 13:05.34 | clamiax | bbl |
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| 13:06.08 | maligor | they're in format deb http://mirror.url/debian/blabla/ distro repo1 repo2 repo3 repo4 |
| 13:06.31 | Crooksey | maligor, just out of curiosity, is the unstable tree literally just fresh out of the oven .debs? |
| 13:06.33 | maligor | oh and run aptitude update after changing it |
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| 13:06.56 | maligor | Crooksey, mm.. not really |
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| 13:07.02 | maligor | but they're not too well tested |
| 13:07.29 | joeytwiddle | i once heard unstable was more about testing the package management, than testing the software itself |
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| 13:07.56 | ringo999 | running debian lenny on macbook: two problems unsolved: touchpad jumping and iSight not working. Anyone who can help fix this? |
| 13:07.57 | Crooksey | Because I liked debian last time I used it (2 years ago), but found packages to be stable but older versions, just looking to use debain, but still have the latest software versions available. |
| 13:08.00 | ringo999 | the worst part is the jumping touchpad, especially when coding, cursor flying all over the place when typing fast resulting in a terrible mess... |
| 13:08.23 | maligor | Crooksey, heh, well, I run debian unstable with some stuff from experimental |
| 13:08.30 | maligor | like xserver 1.5 |
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| 13:09.17 | maligor | also some things might be kept back because of the impending release of lenny, but you can find them usually in experimental |
| 13:09.49 | Crooksey | would it be stupid to use an experimental sources.lst? |
| 13:09.57 | maligor | but I recommend to familiarize yourself with the package management before delving into experimental ;) |
| 13:10.24 | maligor | experimental default priority is set so that it doesn't automatically install stuff from there |
| 13:10.34 | Crooksey | I have used debian on servers for years, but only stable releases |
| 13:10.41 | maligor | it can coexist happily sources.list |
| 13:11.25 | Crooksey | Just I like debain, but dont like ubuntu, but would there be any way to run debain, then use ubuntu package repositories? |
| 13:11.35 | maligor | sure, but why? |
| 13:11.44 | Crooksey | why what? |
| 13:11.46 | maligor | it'd also mess your system pretty well |
| 13:11.52 | amphi | !debain |
| 13:11.52 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:12.10 | maligor | lots of third party packages that are branded as 'ubuntu' work in debian tho |
| 13:12.50 | maligor | amphi, mm.. debani? |
| 13:13.05 | Crooksey | I know, but what I was hoping to do, would be keep my sources.list with the lenny repo's for distrubution related upgrades, then just have another repo in sources.list for ubuntu packages? |
| 13:13.09 | idimmu_ | diaben |
| 13:13.15 | jelly | Crooksey: you don't want to mix repositories for different distros. |
| 13:13.32 | jelly | Crooksey: there are absolutely no guarantees of cooperation |
| 13:13.54 | maligor | yeah, it'd probably mess your system, unless you're a wizard with apt configuration |
| 13:14.41 | jelly | s/apt .*/packaging scripts/ |
| 13:14.58 | maligor | heh |
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| 13:15.22 | maligor | Crooksey, noone will stop you from trying tho, heh |
| 13:15.55 | jelly | noone will support such a system for free, either |
| 13:16.13 | Crooksey | I was just asking, if its to messy i wont bother |
| 13:16.37 | Crooksey | So best just to go lenny and then unstable sources? |
| 13:16.58 | maligor | if you want to run unstable |
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| 13:17.47 | maligor | when running unstable, you might want to familiarize yourself with the 'rescue' mode of the installation cd |
| 13:17.52 | Crooksey | im just looking to have uptodate packages |
| 13:18.09 | my007ms | is there something like setup/chkconfig in debian ? |
| 13:18.10 | Crooksey | maligor, surely if anything went wrong, I could just chroot in from a livecd? |
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| 13:19.09 | alcohol | if I use php to create a file named something.pid in /var/run, is said file removed upon reboot/restart automatically? |
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| 13:21.35 | liable | i would imagine you need to make sure you clean it up at program closure, and deal accordingly with it, if it exists when new instances start |
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| 13:22.05 | maligor | Crooksey, I guess that works too |
| 13:22.17 | maligor | Crooksey, the rescue mode is more or less that |
| 13:22.21 | alcohol | liable: well, the program should run indefinitely. |
| 13:22.22 | liable | the kernel doesnt clean up lazy peoples programming.. |
| 13:22.39 | alcohol | liable: how do apache and such handle it then? |
| 13:23.02 | liable | alcohol: by removing stale pid files |
| 13:23.24 | alcohol | liable: how would one recognize stale pid files? by checking locked status? |
| 13:23.46 | koollman | by checking wether or not the pid represent a real process |
| 13:24.04 | alcohol | hmm, how would one do that? |
| 13:24.06 | Crooksey | maligor, to give me an idea of how uptodate unstable is, is kde4.1 in the repo's (not that I will be using it, just to get an idea of where the repo's are) |
| 13:24.10 | liable | alcohol: if its trying to write one, and it exists, i guess thats a clue. this conversation is not at all related to debian. ask your programming channel |
| 13:24.23 | maligor | Crooksey, that's in experimental |
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| 13:24.27 | mne | Hi. How can I add an alias to the hostap_cs module ? i.e. i would like to add pcmcia:m0156c0002f06fn00pfn00pa977p83e0pb122f1df...." to hostap_cs so that it recognizes my wireless prism2 pccard |
| 13:24.44 | koollman | alcohol: what are you trying to do exactly ? |
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| 13:24.59 | maligor | Crooksey, I think it's held back by lenny |
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| 13:25.49 | alcohol | koollman: running a php loop endlessly which replicates certain data from remote mssql servers to local mysql server. cron interval of one minute is not frequent enough. so I'm using php with an endless loop and sleep() [I wish I had perl knowledge, I reckon it would be a lot more stable/safer to use] |
| 13:26.20 | liable | alcohol: really, you should be asking in #php |
| 13:26.22 | koollman | alcohol: hmm ... more than once per minute ? seems like a bad idea, honestly |
| 13:26.26 | alcohol | koollman: the script should be started at server startup, or manually. it is very important it checks if it is running already, since running it twice would be bad. |
| 13:26.52 | alcohol | koollman: well the replication should be constant, every 5 seconds is a more decent interval. |
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| 13:27.07 | liable | alcohol: go to php |
| 13:27.13 | koollman | liable: it's not even a php problem |
| 13:27.28 | liable | its certainly not a debian problem |
| 13:27.46 | alcohol | not directly no, sorry :( |
| 13:27.48 | Crooksey | maligor, is gnome uptodate? |
| 13:27.52 | alcohol | I'm just trying to figure out the use of pid files |
| 13:28.02 | alcohol | and if perhaps I could mimic their behavior for my script, to see if it is running or not |
| 13:28.06 | maligor | Version: 1:2.22.2~5 |
| 13:28.26 | koollman | alcohol: here is the most direct debian answer : use 'supervise' from daemontools, or an equivalent program |
| 13:29.10 | Crooksey | maligor, is that all its up to in the repo's? |
| 13:29.16 | koollman | alcohol: now, maybe not using that kind of sync would be much more logical. I would prefer doing it the other way around, setting up sync to an odbc 'database' in mssql |
| 13:29.38 | maligor | Crooksey, what should it be? |
| 13:30.00 | maligor | oh, .24 |
| 13:30.20 | alcohol | koollman: the remote servers are ms + mssql, local is debian + mysql. I havent found a single app or script that could sync specific data from specific tables to specified target tables/etc |
| 13:30.23 | liable | koollman: if its not php, then take it to whichever chennel its relevant in. |
| 13:30.32 | alcohol | koollman: we require a -very- custom approach :( |
| 13:31.08 | koollman | alcohol: well, if you think your script is the way to go, http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/supervise.html |
| 13:31.16 | alcohol | yes I looked at that |
| 13:31.18 | Crooksey | maligor, is that held back by lenny as well? |
| 13:31.20 | alcohol | but my script runs endlessly |
| 13:31.22 | alcohol | it does not exit |
| 13:31.31 | maligor | Crooksey, couldn't say |
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| 13:31.34 | koollman | alcohol: but restarts the script if it dies, and do not run more than once. |
| 13:31.46 | koollman | alcohol: so, if the script exit ... it will be restarted :) |
| 13:32.48 | koollman | alcohol: and, more importantly, it will not run more than once |
| 13:33.00 | alcohol | yeah |
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| 13:33.23 | ubd | how do i change permissions of a ubd drive |
| 13:33.31 | ubd | usb drive |
| 13:34.06 | ubd | i want to download torrents to my usb disk :(( |
| 13:34.20 | ubd | hhhhiielp |
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| 13:34.48 | clamiax | re |
| 13:35.30 | OpenTokix | ubd: We are assuming its NTFS and its mounted read only? |
| 13:35.42 | ubd | yes OpenTokix |
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| 13:36.13 | ruelps | i am naked right now |
| 13:36.37 | OpenTokix | ubd: then you have to check a ntfs-howto, or stop using sub-par OS:es and format the disk as EXT3 or another free filesystem. |
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| 13:37.29 | ubd | ok ı have a 30gb laptop dısk ıs 250gb and almost full. formatting is not feasible |
| 13:38.15 | ubd | usb:250 laptop:30 gb i cannot format |
| 13:38.48 | ruelps | easy peasy lemon squeezy |
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| 13:39.23 | ubd | do you know the command lıne to change the write permissions from root to ubd ? |
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| 13:40.10 | joeytwiddle | for files you can: chown ubd:ubd <filename> |
| 13:40.18 | mne | ubd, chown -R <user> * |
| 13:40.43 | ubd | where will i enter this command |
| 13:40.49 | ubd | and which one |
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| 13:42.21 | joeytwiddle | you'll need a root/superuser console/terminal |
| 13:42.35 | ubd | that is ok |
| 13:42.45 | joeytwiddle | -R * will act on everything in the current directory and directories below |
| 13:42.54 | ubd | ok thanks! |
| 13:43.09 | joeytwiddle | but you're just modding a device? so maybe better not to use -R * ;) |
| 13:44.00 | ubd | ^^ |
| 13:44.06 | ubd | whats that supposed to mean |
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| 13:45.47 | ubd | the thing is connected at /dev/sdb1 |
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| 13:46.20 | ubd | or should ı go to where its mounted |
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| 13:47.38 | joeytwiddle | actually, maybe what you really want is to put the "user" option in /etc/fstab |
| 13:47.51 | joeytwiddle | then you can mount it as a user, and should get write access |
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| 13:49.26 | ubd | i did chown |
| 13:49.30 | ubd | chown: changing ownership of `aBI/taj-mahal-travellers on-tour 1971-72..abc': Read-only file system |
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| 13:49.45 | ubd | but i still cannot delete or create |
| 13:50.06 | joeytwiddle | remount it read/write |
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| 13:51.30 | ubd | :( |
| 13:51.50 | ubd | it is auto mounting |
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| 13:52.15 | metalx1000 | Hello, I have 2 old Laptops with no network cards. I would like to install a basic install of Debian with icewm and a few applications of choice. |
| 13:52.25 | metalx1000 | So, I setup a desktop with with Debian how I want it. |
| 13:52.32 | joeytwiddle | then change the automount options, so it mounts read-write, and with user access |
| 13:52.35 | metalx1000 | I'm trying to clone it to the Laptops. |
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| 13:52.52 | metalx1000 | Is there a way to make an image of that drive and put it on a Flash drive and then install it to the laptops. |
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| 13:53.04 | metalx1000 | I was thinking the dd command was the way to go, but I'm not that familiar with is |
| 13:53.14 | metalx1000 | it* |
| 13:53.15 | zxxd | hi |
| 13:53.18 | ubd | metalx1000, fırst ınstall debıan base then ınstall your window with aptget |
| 13:53.19 | joeytwiddle | dd if=/dev/hda should get an image of the whole of your first drive |
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| 13:53.35 | joeytwiddle | but are the machines identical? |
| 13:53.41 | metalx1000 | no |
| 13:54.02 | joeytwiddle | alternatively, you could just tar up your files, unpack them on the other machine, and then worry about getting a bootloader working |
| 13:54.11 | metalx1000 | the desktop has a 30GB and the laptop has a 4GB, but I made and instaled debian to a 4GB partition |
| 13:54.54 | metalx1000 | could I use a Debian recuse CD to install a boot load after I untar it |
| 13:54.55 | metalx1000 | ? |
| 13:55.15 | joeytwiddle | indeed a bootCD is how i would do it |
| 13:55.42 | ruelps | is it possible to chroot into a windows system? |
| 13:55.52 | ranix_ | ruelps: man chroot |
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| 13:56.16 | ruelps | what? |
| 13:56.22 | ranix_ | ruelps: rtfm |
| 13:56.27 | joeytwiddle | metalx1000: you might be able to chroot from your bootCD into the partition you have just installed, and then run grub-install or lilo or whatever |
| 13:56.34 | ruelps | ranix_: what? |
| 13:56.50 | ruelps | i am new to linux |
| 13:56.56 | metalx1000 | ok, I'll look into that |
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| 13:57.33 | ranix_ | ruelps: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=man%20chroot |
| 13:58.10 | simon1245 | Is it possible to download Icechat in Debian? |
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| 13:58.35 | ranix_ | simon1245: if icechat can be downloaded, yes |
| 13:58.42 | bartden | lihi, does there exist something to run windows application on a remote windows box and make them visible in a window on linux xorg server |
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| 13:59.05 | ruelps | ranix_: that doesn't help me.. |
| 13:59.14 | ruelps | but i found something http://www.winquota.com/wj/download.html |
| 13:59.19 | ruelps | chroot for windows |
| 13:59.19 | ruelps | :E |
| 13:59.19 | ranix_ | simon1245: as far as running it, it doesn't look like that's available for linux, but you might try wine |
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| 14:00.08 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 14:00.09 | Jyzygzy- | man Putty sux |
| 14:00.11 | simon1245 | Thanks :) |
| 14:00.14 | joeytwiddle | if you can't get icechat working, i heard kvirc is recommended |
| 14:00.21 | Jyzygzy- | it doesn't know how to draw lines for Ncurses GUI's |
| 14:00.31 | Jyzygzy- | when in utf-8 mode |
| 14:00.31 | simon1245 | I'n leaving now bye |
| 14:00.32 | simon1245 | all |
| 14:00.35 | simon1245 | And thanks for the help |
| 14:00.43 | simon1245 | coming backlater |
| 14:00.51 | fengor | Jyzygzy-: its a case of pebkac |
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| 14:01.00 | ranix_ | ruelps: a manpage tells you everything that can be done with the command. If a manpage doesn't tell you what you need to know, you probably need to learn how to read manpages |
| 14:01.03 | fengor | set the translations right and ncurses should be fine |
| 14:01.17 | Jyzygzy- | utf-8 isn't that right |
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| 14:01.30 | fengor | depends on what your machine is sending |
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| 14:01.53 | Jyzygzy- | the remote one? |
| 14:01.53 | ranix_ | Jyzygzy-: eterm has trouble with dos linedraw characters |
| 14:01.54 | fengor | on machines that sent utf8 everything displays fine for me if i set translation utf-8 in putty |
| 14:01.56 | mhymn | ruelps: tell me, how can a windows directory be a root for a linux system?!? |
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| 14:02.10 | Jyzygzy- | fengor lol try "mc" |
| 14:02.15 | Jyzygzy- | it doesn't work at all |
| 14:02.18 | fengor | i work with mc regularly |
| 14:02.21 | ranix_ | oh, putty. Yes, Putty needs to be set to utf-8 encoding to show dos linedraw characters |
| 14:02.27 | fengor | it works fine |
| 14:02.38 | ruelps | mhymn: windows is better anyway |
| 14:02.39 | ranix_ | I use putty frequently with pork, which uses curses |
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| 14:02.46 | joeytwiddle | mhymn: it's a filesystem |
| 14:02.50 | ruelps | i just use linux as 2nd system |
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| 14:03.03 | ruelps | for learning |
| 14:03.05 | Jyzygzy- | fengor what font do you use? |
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| 14:03.47 | joeytwiddle | ruelps you want to chroot FROM windows? i don't think that will work |
| 14:03.52 | fengor | Jyzygzy-: fonts are mostly irrelevant as long as youuse somefixed width |
| 14:04.05 | joeytwiddle | but you could run a virtual machine or something, using qemu/vmware or something more modern |
| 14:04.12 | Jyzygzy- | fengor yea well if you use a font that doesn't even have line draw charachters |
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| 14:04.16 | fengor | go to change settings -> window -> translationand select the right encoding |
| 14:04.19 | fengor | and you will be fine |
| 14:04.36 | fengor | Jyzygzy-: then its doubly your fualt and not the faultof putty |
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| 14:05.10 | Jyzygzy- | fengor "use font ecnoding" works |
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| 14:05.15 | ruelps | joeytwiddle: yes, why not? linux apps also run on windows or?? |
| 14:05.16 | Jyzygzy- | utf-8 doesn't |
| 14:05.27 | Jyzygzy- | i don't think putty supports unicode fonts |
| 14:05.33 | fengor | then your remote machine will probably not send utf-8 |
| 14:05.34 | Jyzygzy- | the line drawing characters are on a different place |
| 14:05.42 | joeytwiddle | ruelps: not last time i looked |
| 14:05.44 | Jyzygzy- | how do i see? |
| 14:05.59 | fengor | 15:00 < fengor> on machines that sent utf8 everything displays fine for me if i set translation utf-8 in putty |
| 14:06.00 | joeytwiddle | unless they are ported |
| 14:06.15 | joeytwiddle | ruelps: you can get cygwin which is a sort of linux for windows, but it's not a real linux |
| 14:06.17 | Jyzygzy- | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 14:06.27 | ranix_ | Windows and Posix use a different executable format |
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| 14:09.36 | Jyzygzy- | where are the line drawing characters in unicode? |
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| 14:12.29 | Jyzygzy- | the implementation of lines in this program must be broken |
| 14:12.44 | Jyzygzy- | mc works like it should |
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| 14:13.01 | simon1245 | Hi again |
| 14:13.05 | simon1245 | Can someone help me |
| 14:13.07 | simon1245 | How to use Wine? |
| 14:13.12 | simon1245 | I know how to use it on Ubuntu but not in debian |
| 14:13.50 | Jyzygzy- | wine app.exe |
| 14:14.08 | simon1245 | Ok thanks |
| 14:14.43 | simon1245 | I get this |
| 14:14.44 | simon1245 | debian:/home/simon1245# wine icechat.exe |
| 14:14.44 | simon1245 | Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin icechat.exe ... |
| 14:14.44 | simon1245 | wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\icechat.exe": Module not found |
| 14:14.44 | simon1245 | Wine failed with return code 126 |
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| 14:15.14 | simon1245 | I got kicked |
| 14:15.18 | abrotman | simon1245: did you try asking #wine? |
| 14:15.24 | simon1245 | No |
| 14:15.24 | abrotman | erm .. #winehq .. whichever it is |
| 14:15.41 | simon1245 | I didn't know it existed thanks i will try there |
| 14:15.50 | simon1245 | And how to install flash-player? |
| 14:15.57 | abrotman | !tell simon1245 about flash |
| 14:16.32 | simon1245 | Thanks :) |
| 14:16.35 | Jyzygzy- | and when does adobe release flash under GPL? :-D |
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| 14:19.10 | Jyzygzy- | abrotman any ideas how i could test some other ncurses GUI's than mc |
| 14:19.13 | Jyzygzy- | i can't remember anything |
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| 14:19.36 | liable | is there other ncurese file managers? |
| 14:19.58 | Jyzygzy- | iptraf's line drawing also is wrong |
| 14:19.59 | liable | mc is awsome imo |
| 14:20.49 | joeytwiddle | i use ls and mv |
| 14:21.29 | ranix_ | mc i.e. midnight commander? |
| 14:21.33 | ranix_ | not interested |
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| 14:22.05 | liable | not selling.. |
| 14:22.20 | joeytwiddle | remember when we had to use Norton GoldTree? lol |
| 14:22.20 | dooglus | liable: emacs runs in a terminal and is a pretty good file manager |
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| 14:23.21 | liable | i shouldnt have bothered |
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| 14:28.00 | Heebie | Hello. I'm having trouble getting heartbeat-2 working using this guide: http://www.linux-ha.org/GettingStartedWithHeartbeat I'm trying to setup a single failover IP.. and I'm pretty sure there's some tiny little bit missing out of the documentation that's causing it not to work. Does anyone know of a better guide? |
| 14:28.04 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: debtags .. look fior something in ncurses |
| 14:28.47 | simon1245 | How to install flash-Player? |
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| 14:29.53 | abrotman | simon1245: don't msg me |
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| 14:29.53 | Neeesat2 | Anyone try to install Debian netinstall on CF 4GB or 8GB? |
| 14:30.00 | abrotman | simon1245: don't msg me |
| 14:30.04 | simon1245 | Ok sorry |
| 14:30.16 | simon1245 | What is CF? |
| 14:30.24 | abrotman | Compact Flash |
| 14:30.26 | Neeesat2 | Compact Flash |
| 14:30.36 | simon1245 | Is it like a usb drive thing? |
| 14:30.49 | Heebie | simon1245: apt-get install swf-player ?? |
| 14:30.51 | Neeesat2 | I am using CF to IDE adaptor |
| 14:30.57 | abrotman | !tell simon1245 about flash |
| 14:31.00 | abrotman | !tell simon1245 about adobe flash |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | !tell simon1245 about dmm |
| 14:31.10 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 14:31.25 | Neeesat2 | I have install debian on 1GB CF with no problems but I can not make it boot with CF 8GB |
| 14:31.35 | mhymn | yeah, why not using #debian as my new search engine! |
| 14:31.36 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: debtags search uitoolkit::ncurses .. have fun |
| 14:31.56 | Neeesat2 | It stays on word GRUB |
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| 14:32.40 | Neeesat2 | Is it the size? the partitions? dono |
| 14:32.52 | simon1245 | How to type in red color? |
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| 14:33.04 | simon1245 | Like you all do? |
| 14:33.23 | Heebie | simon1245: Your IRC client probably marks things in red when your nick is mentioned. |
| 14:33.25 | liable | lol |
| 14:33.42 | simon1245 | Ok |
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| 14:33.45 | simon1245 | Does your do it? |
| 14:33.51 | simon1245 | heebie: Hi |
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| 14:34.19 | Heebie | simon1245: Mine highlights the name of the person mentioning my name in yellow at the beginning of the line. Different client software handle it differently. |
| 14:34.42 | simon1245 | Ok which client do you use? |
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| 14:35.30 | Heebie | Hello. I'm having trouble getting heartbeat-2 working using this guide: http://www.linux-ha.org/GettingStartedWithHeartbeat I'm trying to setup a single failover IP.. and I'm pretty sure there's some tiny little bit missing out of the documentation that's causing it not to work. Does anyone know of a better guide? |
| 14:36.46 | simon1245 | Heebie: Which irc client are you using? |
| 14:37.33 | Heebie | simon1245: I'm using irssi, on Gentoo. (It could very well handle things differently on Gentoo than it would on Debian. |
| 14:38.00 | abrotman | simon1245: which IRC client are ytou using? |
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| 14:38.25 | liable | abrotman: which one are you using! |
| 14:38.26 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 14:38.43 | simon1245 | I'm using X-Chat |
| 14:38.51 | abrotman | liable: i'm at work, so nothing good |
| 14:38.59 | simon1245 | I want Icechat but i can't use wine |
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| 14:39.16 | simon1245 | Which one are you using at your home? |
| 14:39.17 | abrotman | simon1245: what's wrong with xchat? |
| 14:39.22 | abrotman | Heebie: really .. you could have asked |
| 14:39.43 | simon1245 | Nothing i like Icechat more |
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| 14:40.29 | simon1245 | Abrotman: Which one are you using in your home? |
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| 14:41.10 | Heebie | abrotman: It's not like it's a state secret.. well.. I hope it's not a state secret! =O |
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| 14:41.41 | abrotman | Heebie: so just ask |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | simon1245: i use irssi or xchat |
| 14:42.01 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 14:42.04 | EgS | quassel :) |
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| 14:43.42 | simon1245 | And on your work |
| 14:44.08 | EgS | quassel irc always and everywhere :) |
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| 14:44.22 | abrotman | plug your own work somewhere else |
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| 14:44.38 | nauticalthinker | Morning mates! |
| 14:45.10 | nauticalthinker | well I thought I had a swapping issue, but it turns out that isn't the case |
| 14:46.01 | nauticalthinker | what I've been able to figure out is when I copy an image from konqueror to openoffice writer it causes a system wide slow down |
| 14:46.33 | nauticalthinker | this only happens after I copy and paste a pic into oow |
| 14:46.38 | nauticalthinker | im using debian etch...kde 3.5.5 |
| 14:46.53 | nauticalthinker | have any of you ran into this issue? |
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| 14:47.35 | nauticalthinker | this normally wouldn't be an issue, but as of late, I've been tasked with creating reports containing pics |
| 14:48.04 | simon1245 | How to download a new theme to Irssi? |
| 14:48.06 | ruelps | does anybody know where i can find porn with open codecs? |
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| 14:48.41 | joltcan | I find it hard to see how that relates to #debian |
| 14:48.43 | Neeesat2 | Is there any command line options I have to set during installation to make my 8GB CF boot? |
| 14:49.21 | ruelps | joltcan: open source matters! |
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| 14:49.59 | EgS | hugs abrotman |
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| 14:51.45 | abrotman | simon1245: ask #irssi |
| 14:52.04 | simon1245 | I'm there now :) |
| 14:52.13 | dury | hi there all :) |
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| 14:52.32 | amphi | simon1245: irssi.org has a useful faq and other docs |
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| 14:53.36 | simon1245 | Ok thanks |
| 14:53.53 | limpio | hifi, is there a way of knowing what type of ram i'm using without opening the case? using lenny, thanks |
| 14:53.53 | dury | what are the differences between 4.0r3 and 4.0r5 |
| 14:54.32 | limpio | dury: i believe it's just security patches |
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| 14:55.03 | abrotman | dury: there are release notes for each release |
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| 14:55.54 | limpio | i forgot to mention i used the command 'dmesg' and entered the bios with no luck |
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| 14:58.29 | dury | I'm going to download 4.0r5 netinst i386. Could you please give me the url to dpwnload the iso? |
| 14:58.58 | dury | dpwnload =download |
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| 14:59.06 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:59.06 | dpkg | 4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 14:59.26 | abrotman | dury: but if ou have 4.0r3 already .. you don't need r5 |
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| 14:59.32 | abrotman | erm .. you don't need to download r5 to install it |
| 15:00.03 | dury | abrotman: upgrade |
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| 15:00.44 | abrotman | dury: but you have r3 already .. no point in getting a new netinst |
| 15:01.00 | stew | dury: is the machine you are upgradeing connected to the internet? |
| 15:01.26 | dury | abrotman: "apt-get install upgrade" as root ? |
| 15:01.32 | abrotman | not quite |
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| 15:01.49 | abrotman | dury: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade .. if anything is still held back, let us know |
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| 15:03.00 | dury | stew: yeah |
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| 15:05.57 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 15:06.16 | dury | hi uzbek |
| 15:06.35 | uzbek | i can't mount a dvd, how can i diagnose what the problem is? |
| 15:06.53 | nauticalthinker | i'm thinking about upgrading my current etch system to lenny by simply following /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:07.02 | uzbek | my laptop is old |
| 15:07.03 | nauticalthinker | anyone have any issues doing it this way? |
| 15:07.31 | petemc | nauticalthinker: that would be the recommended way |
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| 15:12.26 | flourish | hi, what the letters in brace mean when apt-get? socat{a} tor tor-geoipdb{a} tsocks{a} |
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| 15:14.43 | stew | flourish: {a} means "automatically installed to satisfy dependencies" |
| 15:15.19 | flourish | stew: oh, thanks. Can you give me a link for detail guide. I can't find any on google |
| 15:15.34 | stew | i dont think there is one |
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| 15:15.54 | kdefi | Hi, Where to download opensource mp3 songÉ |
| 15:16.02 | flourish | stew: :-) so how can i know other status mean? |
| 15:16.18 | stew | flourish: you can check /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en after installing aptitude-doc-en |
| 15:16.21 | stew | flourish: you can ask here |
| 15:16.24 | dacs | can someone please help me with installing this card http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html. here is the output of lspci http://paste.debian.net/21383/ |
| 15:16.27 | stew | flourish: {p} means purge |
| 15:16.58 | flourish | stew: I see. Thanks. |
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| 15:19.45 | dury | bbl..... byeee |
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| 15:23.47 | trifler | what's the propper chmod for files in /var/www and who should own them? :S When I'm lookin in my www folder it's quite the mix match. |
| 15:24.42 | cayres | there any resources on building bind 9.5 on debian 4 etch? |
| 15:25.12 | petemc | cayres: looked for a backport? |
| 15:25.47 | cayres | I dont think i've enabled backports on this machine.. hmm |
| 15:25.57 | stew | trifler: 644 or 664 and they should be owned by whomever should be able to change them, or root |
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| 15:26.49 | stew | cayres: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:30.30 | d0uglas | if i want to append a file to the bottom of another file, do i want cat or echo topfile.log > olderfile.log? |
| 15:30.42 | petemc | >># |
| 15:31.29 | petemc | d0uglas: cat whatyouwanttoappend >> fileyouwantitappendedto |
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| 15:31.58 | d0uglas | oh so echo thanks petemc |
| 15:32.05 | d0uglas | i mean cat |
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| 15:37.11 | d0uglas | i'm trying to do some mail log analysis, found isoqlog on apt which is nice but i am more interested in mail attempts that failed than succeeded |
| 15:37.23 | Zambezi | How come Debian won't boot after I disconnect hda, connect another drive to hda and put Debian back on hda? It boots cause I have Debian on hdc now and Ubuntu on hda (which I used temporary). |
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| 15:39.04 | abrotman | sata ? |
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| 15:39.58 | petemc | d0uglas: which mta ? |
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| 15:41.43 | d0uglas | postfix |
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| 15:42.27 | abrotman | d0uglas: postfix tells you when a mail fails .. you can easily grep the logs for rejected mails |
| 15:42.43 | d0uglas | cat mail.log|grep rejected|wc -l right |
| 15:42.54 | petemc | grep -c |
| 15:43.01 | d0uglas | oo didn't know that flag |
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| 15:43.08 | petemc | and you dont need cat |
| 15:43.16 | d0uglas | old habits |
| 15:43.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:43.49 | abrotman | petemc: we used to have a C++ prof in college that would take your 10 line for loop full of if statements, and turn into a one-liner |
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| 15:44.03 | xmb | so how to fix make-kpkg, it writes ( the config actually) 'Restarg config...' and then uhm, prompts me all again |
| 15:44.04 | petemc | impressive |
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| 15:46.12 | Eulex | xmb, make-kpkg assumes that there is already a valid and up-to-date kernel config in .config. |
| 15:46.26 | xmb | there is |
| 15:46.35 | xmb | deb standard + new configs + additions |
| 15:47.04 | Eulex | did you run make oldconfig? |
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| 15:47.31 | xmb | yes |
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| 15:48.18 | kdefi | damn library suck i cant change any setting this is too much not a good thing for human right |
| 15:48.19 | Eulex | xmb, can you pastebin the output of make-kpkg? |
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| 15:48.50 | xmb | the initial run showed [configsilent] 2 x2 errors |
| 15:48.54 | xmb | the rest, nada |
| 15:49.14 | xmb | i can put it online somewhere else, as my mouse doesnt really work, works out ? |
| 15:49.34 | Eulex | !tell xmb about pastebin pipe |
| 15:49.36 | kdefi | damn life is hard guy you cannot imagine ... the superior forces made my life a shit |
| 15:49.56 | abrotman | kdefi: i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 15:50.07 | kdefi | abrotman yes thanks |
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| 15:52.53 | xmb | good, rafb... |
| 15:52.53 | xmb | rafb.net/p/lxe9F140.html |
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| 15:54.37 | Eulex | xmb, you've misspelled fakeroot, and kernel_image. |
| 15:54.50 | xmb | hmm |
| 15:54.54 | lunartear | the only backports i see for bind 9.5 from searching backports.org are for lenny and sid |
| 15:55.06 | xmb | not in the original cmd |
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| 15:56.07 | Eulex | xmb, ok. and there is a /home/xmb/src/linux-2.6.27.5/.config? |
| 15:56.34 | xmb | yes |
| 15:56.57 | Eulex | and make oldconfig does not ask any additional questions when you run it in that directory? |
| 15:57.14 | xmb | aye |
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| 15:59.59 | Masterkiller | hey i'm having issues compiling an old kernel...2.6.21 has problems with gcc 4.3 (what is on the live cd), i've installed gcc 4.1 but how do i specify 4.1 to be used during my make? |
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| 16:00.17 | Eulex | xmb, strange, indeed |
| 16:00.20 | xmb | CC=gcc-4.1 make |
| 16:00.24 | xmb | maybe that is |
| 16:00.35 | Masterkiller | xmb, i'll give it a try thanks |
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| 16:00.52 | xmb | but anyway you can use gcc.script from me, or symlink gcc to gcc-4.1 |
| 16:01.01 | xmb | thanks eulex =) |
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| 16:05.32 | Masterkiller | xmb, how can i change the symlink? |
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| 16:06.09 | salman | what is the usb name in lenny? 'ip addr add 192.168.0.200/28 dev usb0 ' is not working. it says can not find device usb0 |
| 16:06.10 | gothenburg | käften |
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| 16:06.30 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 16:07.14 | johnfg | running etch, and want to install printer HP Officejet J6480. There's not a driver for it. Where would I look for a debian etch driver for it? |
| 16:07.29 | xmb | so well checked it as its a script, couldnt find naything excepts -config <type> in which oldconfig is default, and have tried it with oldconfig as arg |
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| 16:08.08 | arisv | hello, any ideas what can cause, load averages up to 1~2 without running too many apps or deamons? in a p4. |
| 16:08.16 | petemc | salman: ifconfig -a will show all interfaces available |
| 16:08.50 | lunartear | can i get away with installing a backport of bind 9.5 for lenny onto etch? |
| 16:08.51 | petemc | arisv: look in top, something waiting for disk is the most common reason for increased loads ime |
| 16:09.01 | jaggz | anyone know a good way to edit a symlink's existing path? |
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| 16:09.12 | xmb | killa dood: as root: mv /usr/bin/gcc{,.$RANDOM} ; ln -sf gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 16:09.16 | xmb | same for cpp and g++ |
| 16:09.17 | petemc | jaggz: rm, ln |
| 16:09.19 | stew | lunartear: where did you find a backport for lenny? |
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| 16:09.45 | arisv | petemc: when u say "waiting for disk"? :) how can i understand it? |
| 16:09.46 | lunartear | stew perhaps its not a backport.. but lenny does have a package for 9.5 |
| 16:10.00 | stew | lunartear: you'd have to backport that for etch |
| 16:10.21 | jaggz | pet, no, to edit its actual path, not just change it.. (ln -f can reduce need of using rm) |
| 16:10.21 | salman | petemc: ifconfig -a |grep usb is empty |
| 16:10.35 | johnfg | anyone know where to get the debian drivers for officejet j6480 |
| 16:10.36 | petemc | salman: just run ifconfig -a |
| 16:10.39 | lunartear | stew i wonder how involved that will be |
| 16:10.47 | Eulex | !tell lunartear about ssb |
| 16:11.00 | petemc | jaggz: i dont see a difference |
| 16:11.13 | lunartear | i've already seen the ssb reference |
| 16:11.23 | stew | judd: build-dep bind9 --release lenny |
| 16:11.24 | judd | stew: bind9 -- BuildDepends: bison, debhelper (>= 5), hardening-wrapper, libcap2-dev [!kfreebsd-i386 !kfreebsd-amd64 !hurd-i386], libdb-dev, libkrb5-dev, libldap2-dev, libssl-dev, libtool, libxml2-dev |
| 16:11.30 | jaggz | I need to run its existing data through a regex for example |
| 16:11.31 | stew | looks straightforward |
| 16:11.38 | Eulex | lunartear, just exchange sid for lenny, and you should be going. |
| 16:11.46 | salman | petemc: still no usb |
| 16:11.55 | jaggz | Example: ln -sf `echo ls -l|sed "s/^l.home/\/home/;s/foo/bar/"` # from http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2004-06/0758.html |
| 16:12.02 | jaggz | (someone trying to find a good solution to the same problem) |
| 16:12.07 | petemc | salman: what makes you so sure its going to have usb in the name? |
| 16:12.18 | petemc | salman: look in dmesg |
| 16:12.19 | arisv | petemc: cool. i found what it is waiting for disk (status: D) what i have to do? |
| 16:12.26 | lunartear | Eulex, alright I'll give that a closer look |
| 16:12.30 | petemc | arisv: nothing you can do, other than wait |
| 16:12.43 | stew | jaggz: what exactly are you trying to extract from the output of ls? (there is almost definately a better way) |
| 16:12.45 | petemc | or get a faster disk |
| 16:12.53 | arisv | ic |
| 16:13.02 | salman | petemc: ok.. I think you misunderstood me, I want to know the name of the usb port. I want to connect to a device connected via the usb |
| 16:13.22 | petemc | salman: is it a usb ethernet card? |
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| 16:13.30 | arisv | petemc: and if it is always in D status? |
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| 16:13.52 | jaggz | stew, that's what someone wrote, utilizing ls's visible symlink "-> reference" to the destination file |
| 16:13.54 | nauticalthinker | what version of kde comes with lenny...is it 3.5.9 or 4.1? |
| 16:13.59 | petemc | arisv: normally they come out of that state eventually |
| 16:14.02 | salman | petemc: no this a mobile phone |
| 16:14.18 | jaggz | basically, how can I get at the contents of the symlinks |
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| 16:14.23 | stew | jaggz: just use readlink or readlink -f |
| 16:14.23 | jaggz | the actual destination path |
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| 16:14.39 | jaggz | that's it.. thanks stew :) |
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| 16:14.48 | stew | jaggz: linktarget=`readlink symlinkname` |
| 16:14.56 | petemc | salman: it varies, it should print info in dmesg and or messages when you plug it in |
| 16:15.00 | stew | jaggz: -f follows links recursively |
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| 16:15.46 | Rioting_pacifist | does anybody use reiserfs & bootchart? |
| 16:16.31 | arisv | petemc: nah, it keeps being D |
| 16:16.34 | lunartear | Eulex: deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib # look correct for the source list of lenny? |
| 16:16.49 | petemc | arisv: that doesnt invalidate what i said |
| 16:16.56 | salman | petemc: could it be this: ttyACM0? |
| 16:16.57 | Eulex | lunartear, yes. |
| 16:17.01 | petemc | salman: possibly |
| 16:17.23 | xmb | well |
| 16:17.31 | n3kl | Good morning debianers! |
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| 16:17.47 | salman | petemc: Cannot find device "ttyACM0" |
| 16:17.49 | xmb | scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/x86/Kconfig = new config somewhere |
| 16:18.05 | Wiz_K33D | can anyone recommend a good text editor for coding in python c/c++ |
| 16:18.06 | Wiz_K33D | ? |
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| 16:18.11 | Wiz_K33D | for debia |
| 16:18.13 | xmb | salman, what u trying ? maybe it ttyUSB0 |
| 16:18.13 | Wiz_K33D | debian |
| 16:18.17 | n3kl | Wiz_K33D: vi |
| 16:18.22 | petemc | salman: i would stop trying to guess how things work and look for a guide on using your particular phone model with linux |
| 16:18.34 | Wiz_K33D | is it any good n3kl ? |
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| 16:18.43 | lunartear | Eulex? |
| 16:18.45 | n3kl | Wiz_K33D: its wonderful. Its the only thing I use |
| 16:18.50 | salman | xmb: I am trying to ssh to my mobile phone which is connected through usb cable |
| 16:18.56 | Wiz_K33D | how does everyone else feel? |
| 16:18.59 | jaggz | stew, yeah, thanks a lot.. :) |
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| 16:19.06 | xmb | i see, its ttyACM usually the |
| 16:19.06 | Eulex | lunartear, oh, yeah, it's correct, though you may want to use a mirror. |
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| 16:19.13 | petemc | salman: your phone runs a ssh daemon? |
| 16:19.13 | xmb | to ? you mean make a net config from ? |
| 16:19.21 | salman | petemc: yes |
| 16:19.24 | Wiz_K33D | strange i don't see it here |
| 16:19.26 | lunartear | just checking syntactically :) |
| 16:19.27 | xmb | hm |
| 16:19.31 | jaggz | Wiz, with their fingers? |
| 16:19.35 | Wiz_K33D | http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors#head-b53ef1475e2d0f89e83733d3c51344235d1144ff |
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| 16:20.11 | salman | xmb: well, first I need to establish usb networking with the mobile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 16:20.36 | xmb | i dont visit web sites [( like this)] |
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| 16:21.22 | Wiz_K33D | jaggz, what? |
| 16:23.30 | Wiz_K33D | apt-get insall vi doesn't work |
| 16:23.36 | petemc | you already have it |
| 16:23.43 | joltcan | Wiz_K33D: apt-get install vim? |
| 16:23.54 | Wiz_K33D | oh...like that |
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| 16:24.08 | joltcan | (I have no idea what you are trying to achive) |
| 16:24.27 | Wiz_K33D | install text editor on my debian box? |
| 16:25.05 | joltcan | Okey, vim is good if you like oldschool editor. Good for coding. Some like vim, some like emacs. And there is a religoius war between them, so pick any :) |
| 16:25.21 | Wiz_K33D | i'm doing it for coding |
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| 16:25.26 | Wiz_K33D | i also used joe before |
| 16:25.27 | joltcan | Wiz_K33D: And you want it to be commandline only? |
| 16:25.29 | Shadow_ | hello everyone |
| 16:25.35 | Wiz_K33D | what do you mean joltcan ? |
| 16:25.43 | salman | basically, I am trying to establish networking with my phone which is connected to the computer via usb. I need to issue: ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 , but this gives me an error : can not find device usb0. I tried usb1 to usb10, with the same results |
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| 16:25.59 | Shadow_ | anyone who use ATHEROS drivers? |
| 16:26.00 | joltcan | Wiz_K33D: Ah. I would go with vim because I'm a vim fanboy. Lots of my real coders at work use emacs. Both is good, but different |
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| 16:26.15 | Rioting_pacifist | does debian do nothing for 5 seconds while (not) fscking a reiserfs partition every boot or is this a ubuntu specific features |
| 16:26.21 | lunartear | eulex on the apt-get build-dep command would i just specify bind9 or would i need something specific for the lenny source package? |
| 16:26.29 | n3kl | joltcan: lots of "real coders" use vi too, dood |
| 16:26.44 | joltcan | n3kl: Yeah, of course |
| 16:27.01 | Eulex | lunartear, bind9, I believe |
| 16:27.22 | Rioting_pacifist | isnt vim generally accepted as an improved vi though? |
| 16:27.24 | joltcan | n3kl: But from my point of view it seems like oldschool cooders seems to prefer emacs over vim. But I'm not saying its true |
| 16:27.33 | lunartear | et: Build-Depends dependency for bind9 cannot be satisfied because the package hardening-wrapper cannot be found |
| 16:27.35 | johnfg | do you think that there would be any problem, running etch, in upgrading hplip from the current version 1.6.10 in etch, to 2.8.10 current release? |
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| 16:27.56 | n3kl | joltcan: not sure I agree with that, but ok |
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| 16:28.11 | joltcan | salman: do you even see usbX if you do ifconfig -a? |
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| 16:28.29 | salman | joltcan: no |
| 16:28.31 | lunartear | arg.. xchat keeps barfing |
| 16:28.37 | joltcan | salman: maybe you need to look at the dmesg output and see if your computer has detected the interface at all |
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| 16:28.58 | Shadow_ | someone who can help me with ATHEROS drivers? |
| 16:28.59 | n3kl | how do I check the policy on a source package? |
| 16:29.01 | joltcan | n3kl: Fine with me, I like vim more :) |
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| 16:29.14 | n3kl | indeed |
| 16:29.15 | salman | joltcan: dmesg: http://rafb.net/p/GrWQKd13.html |
| 16:29.56 | lunartear | eulex |
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| 16:30.15 | n3kl | lunartear: what the fuck is eulex? |
| 16:30.39 | Jyzygzy- | i just crashed debian with dhclient eth3 |
| 16:30.42 | joltcan | salman: are you sure it's a network device? |
| 16:31.02 | joltcan | salman: seems to be a character device |
| 16:31.22 | salman | joltcan: well.. everybody else is doing it... it is the way to connect to neo freerunner |
| 16:31.25 | lunartear | Eulex is the nickname of someone chatting in this channel |
| 16:31.40 | Eulex | n3kl, it's fucking me! |
| 16:31.49 | n3kl | Eulex: hi |
| 16:31.52 | Eulex | lunartear, guess you'll have to backport that one too. |
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| 16:32.13 | Eulex | n3kl, hullo |
| 16:32.15 | n3kl | dpkg stop something from fucking eulex |
| 16:32.16 | dpkg | i don't know, n3kl |
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| 16:32.20 | lunartear | eulex im not sure what exactly i'd be backporting |
| 16:32.22 | lunartear | hmm |
| 16:32.26 | Jyzygzy- | where did you see what NIC is what? |
| 16:32.35 | petemc | dmesg , ifconfig |
| 16:32.45 | george_xtr | Hi guys, does someone know of a program to repair a use pendrive? I have some sector bad. Already try badblocks -w /dev/sdb but still nothing |
| 16:32.56 | Eulex | lunartear, hardening-wrapper. appears to be pretty small, and should be very easy to backport. |
| 16:33.07 | n3kl | george_xtr: fdisk that shizzle |
| 16:33.08 | Jyzygzy- | petemc my dmesg is filled with shorewall logs |
| 16:33.11 | Jyzygzy- | i can't see shit |
| 16:33.24 | n3kl | Jyzygzy-: try less |
| 16:33.34 | Jyzygzy- | yea for what? eth? |
| 16:33.43 | Jyzygzy- | grep |
| 16:33.46 | Jyzygzy- | you mean |
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| 16:33.54 | petemc | Jyzygzy-: what info do you need? |
| 16:33.55 | n3kl | no, I mean less. dmesg | less |
| 16:34.09 | Jyzygzy- | petemc i need to know how my physical NIC's are assigned |
| 16:34.16 | Jyzygzy- | as devices |
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| 16:34.45 | petemc | i suppose pulling the cables out isnt an option? |
| 16:34.49 | petemc | (briefly) |
| 16:34.52 | n3kl | Jyzygzy-: this is something that ifconfig -a will not tell you? |
| 16:35.06 | Jyzygzy- | n3kl it doesn't tell me anything about the physical aspect |
| 16:35.24 | Jyzygzy- | petemc i just tried "dhclietn eth3" and debian crashed |
| 16:35.29 | petemc | crashed? |
| 16:35.30 | Jyzygzy- | had to reset the box |
| 16:35.34 | Jyzygzy- | it freeze completely |
| 16:35.39 | petemc | so how can dmesg be overwritten already? |
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| 16:35.51 | Jyzygzy- | cause shorewall spams it |
| 16:35.53 | n3kl | then you have other issues |
| 16:35.53 | Jyzygzy- | HARD |
| 16:35.59 | Jyzygzy- | one of the cards is broken |
| 16:35.59 | petemc | unlucky |
| 16:36.06 | Jyzygzy- | i think.. |
| 16:36.06 | n3kl | so redirect the logs somewhere else |
| 16:36.14 | Jyzygzy- | n3kl i don't know how |
| 16:36.40 | lunartear | eulex ok i believe i got hardening-wrapper installed |
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| 16:38.04 | Jyzygzy- | there must be another way |
| 16:38.07 | Jyzygzy- | than dmesg |
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| 16:38.52 | Jyzygzy- | lspci shows the cards but not the device binds |
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| 16:39.11 | petemc | Jyzygzy-: unplug and replug the cards |
| 16:39.18 | Jyzygzy- | what does that help |
| 16:39.25 | lunartear | eulex I didnt get so lucky building libcap2-dev |
| 16:39.33 | Jyzygzy- | you can't see it anywhere |
| 16:39.36 | petemc | it will say about it negotiating the link with ethN |
| 16:39.44 | Jyzygzy- | what will? |
| 16:40.29 | lunartear | dh_install: libcap2-dev missing files (debian/tmp/lib/lib*.so), aborting |
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| 16:41.11 | petemc | Jyzygzy-: dmesg, but it should be in messages as well |
| 16:41.24 | Jyzygzy- | dmesg is dead |
| 16:41.28 | petemc | Jyzygzy-: and syslog |
| 16:41.31 | petemc | yes, you said |
| 16:41.32 | Jyzygzy- | its completely taken over by shorewall |
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| 16:41.40 | petemc | read what i said before you start complaining again |
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| 16:41.47 | Eulex | lunartear, oh, that one isn't in stable either? that may be a bit more tricky |
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| 16:42.07 | Jyzygzy- | i don't wanna unplug anything |
| 16:42.14 | petemc | fine, good luck |
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| 16:42.15 | Jyzygzy- | there isn't even a cable in all of them |
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| 16:43.29 | Jyzygzy- | grep -ri "eth2" /etc/ |
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| 16:43.50 | microsuxx_bot | seems theres some breakage [ in the kernel], uhm, no params.h |
| 16:44.02 | microsuxx_bot | i mean no asm/params.h included, only there is for example CONFIG_HZ |
| 16:44.03 | Jyzygzy- | ./udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:50:d4:88:23:44", NAME="eth2" |
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| 16:44.11 | Jyzygzy- | petemc you and your unplugs :-DE |
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| 16:44.40 | petemc | i will admit to knowing nothign of udev |
| 16:44.48 | petemc | ill also admit you're very annoying |
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| 16:44.55 | microsuxx_bot | =) |
| 16:44.58 | Jyzygzy- | will u admit that i won ^-^ |
| 16:45.03 | petemc | won? |
| 16:45.12 | Jyzygzy- | i was smarter! |
| 16:45.14 | petemc | sure, well done |
| 16:45.18 | Jyzygzy- | haahaa yaaaay |
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| 16:47.00 | incipiens | hi whats the best way to install postgresql on debian? |
| 16:47.38 | lunartear | eulex im all ears :) |
| 16:48.29 | Eulex | lunartear, you may need to try to make it work with libcap-dev, which is in etch. |
| 16:48.35 | petemc | incipiens: aptitude install postgresql-version |
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| 16:49.06 | lunartear | eulex im not sure how i might approach that |
| 16:49.10 | incipiens | thx petemc is this better than to install a sqlversion of debian? |
| 16:49.36 | petemc | incipiens: its mostly always better to use debian packages, if thats what you mean |
| 16:49.42 | Eulex | lunartear, take a look at the files in the debian/ directory. |
| 16:50.05 | incipiens | petemc i did it yesterday this way and i did also update apt but i got a older version |
| 16:50.30 | petemc | incipiens: stable probably has what might be considered older, there should be backports available tho |
| 16:50.38 | incipiens | thats what i have meant petemc |
| 16:52.03 | incipiens | i guess hardly one configures binary code on debian with make to install postgresql or am i wrong? |
| 16:52.19 | incipiens | most use apt |
| 16:52.22 | petemc | right |
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| 16:53.13 | incipiens | i am looking for a tutorial to use postgresql on debian |
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| 16:56.11 | Jyzygzy- | dhclient automatically assigns the interface to default route |
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| 16:56.23 | Jyzygzy- | can you somehow make it not do that for some interfaces? |
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| 16:57.24 | lunartear | eulex i've modified debian/control to use libcap-dev. will reissuing build-dep honor these changes? |
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| 16:58.24 | Jyzygzy- | how do you make dhclient not to assign interface as default route? |
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| 16:59.06 | Eulex | lunartear, if you modified it correctly, yes |
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| 17:00.44 | lunartear | eulex apparently i didnt modify it correctly. apt-get build-dep bind9 is still looking for libcap2-dev |
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| 17:01.35 | Jyzygzy- | why does dhclient by default make the interface as default routee? |
| 17:01.39 | Eulex | lunartear, oh well, right, build-dep won't work in that case... |
| 17:01.54 | themill | lunartear: apt-get build-dep looks for information in the Sources files from your deb-src lines not from some random debian/control |
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| 17:02.22 | lunartear | themill and eulex ah alright. so in that case how should i build the deps then |
| 17:02.33 | themill | lunartear: take a look at dpkg-checkbuilddeps from the dpkg-dev packgae |
| 17:02.46 | lunartear | alright thanks |
| 17:02.50 | themill | lunartear: hang on... you need to build the deps? or just install them? |
| 17:02.59 | lunartear | build |
| 17:03.02 | lunartear | and install |
| 17:03.03 | Eulex | lunartear, build-dep just installs the build dependencies. you could just apt-get them manually. |
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| 17:03.28 | Eulex | lunartear, most will already be available. some won't. those 'some' is your problem :) |
| 17:03.30 | themill | lunartear: ahhh there's nothing that does recursive building of the build-deps. Normally, you don't need to, you just install them |
| 17:04.20 | kkek | I have a question about PHP.... I have apache installed, and serving php pages just fine, but when I try to run php from the command line, i can not find the executable ("locate php | grep bin" gives no hits). What do i need to install to use php from the command line? |
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| 17:04.54 | themill | kkek: php5-cli or php4-cli |
| 17:05.00 | kkek | themill, thanks |
| 17:05.44 | kkek | themill, i just got a little thrown off... im used to it coming with php in the same package... |
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| 17:06.40 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i'm using nfs to share php sessions over two servers, mounted with: "soft,intr,lock,nosuid,tcp,rsize=16384,wsize=16384,user,rw,auto,noatime,noac" and people are getting logged out ( i presume its to do with the nfs ) - any ideas? |
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| 17:07.51 | lunartear | ok looks like i have all the deps met |
| 17:09.15 | jelly | How do I change LV Name of a single logical volume? |
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| 17:10.05 | wip | how can i upgrade openssl to 0.9.8i |
| 17:10.14 | wip | using apt-get |
| 17:10.19 | jelly | wip: why would you? |
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| 17:10.37 | wip | jelly: i really need this version (security reason) |
| 17:10.44 | davood | hi |
| 17:10.45 | wip | jelly: but debian etch is 0.9.8g |
| 17:11.12 | jelly | wip: debian takes care of security issues |
| 17:11.19 | themill | !security backports |
| 17:11.19 | dpkg | Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the debian revision changelog. |
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| 17:11.37 | wip | themill: i need to add this to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 17:11.47 | themill | what's "this"? |
| 17:11.59 | wip | themill: !security backports? |
| 17:12.17 | themill | !bot |
| 17:12.18 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 17:12.25 | themill | wip: I was talking to the dpkg bot |
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| 17:12.34 | wip | ic |
| 17:12.38 | davood | I want to install debian on Supermicro X7dbl-e with Raid Controller, the installer does not recognize raid controller (Interl Matrix Storage ESB2) |
| 17:12.45 | jelly | wip: which security issue are you worried about? |
| 17:12.57 | wip | jelly: to be pci compliant |
| 17:12.59 | davood | where can I find the driver |
| 17:13.00 | davood | ? |
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| 17:13.22 | jelly | wip: does it have a CVE number? |
| 17:13.31 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 17:13.31 | dpkg | i heard tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/, or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 17:13.52 | wip | jelly: surely not, but i need to have 0.9.8i to be pci compliant |
| 17:13.59 | wip | jelly: that is all i know |
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| 17:14.20 | wip | jelly: since debian etch is slow to upgrade stuff, i decided to compile it myself in /usr/local/ssl |
| 17:14.47 | wip | jelly: of course having 2 openssl version is not really a nice solution... |
| 17:15.05 | wip | jelly: that's why i want to upgrade to 0.9.8i with apt-get install... |
| 17:15.13 | jelly | wip: not to mention all of the debian packages will keep using the packaged one |
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| 17:15.40 | wip | jelly: actually i don't really care, cause only apache needs to use the last version of openssl |
| 17:15.44 | jelly | wip: if you figure out the specific reason for 0.9.8i, you may explain the higher-ups that Debian already handles that. |
| 17:15.52 | jelly | (if it does) |
| 17:15.52 | wip | jelly: the rest (openssh) can use 0.9.8g |
| 17:16.01 | shadfc | anyone managed to build zfs-fuse 0.5.0 on etch amd64? |
| 17:16.08 | jelly | wip: eh. So build a custom openssl and apache :-| |
| 17:16.34 | jelly | wip: even lenny seems to have 0.9.8g |
| 17:16.35 | themill | wip: and as soon as you do that, you're responsible for all security updates yourself. |
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| 17:16.40 | wip | jelly: the problem is that apache is always linking to a weird location: /usr/lib/cmov/i686/... |
| 17:17.02 | wip | themill: i have no problem to upgrade stuff manually... |
| 17:17.06 | jelly | wip: you'll have to tell the build process to use ssl from /usr/local/ssl |
| 17:17.22 | wip | jelly: done that: http://apache.pastebin.ca/1255311 |
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| 17:19.32 | jelly | wip: eh. add -R/usr/local/ssl/lib before -L/usr/local/ssl/lib in relevant Makefile(s) |
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| 17:20.11 | wip | jelly: i will try this - if i can find which makefile... |
| 17:20.18 | jelly | grep -r is your friend |
| 17:20.37 | wip | jelly: yep thanks |
| 17:20.55 | jelly | wip: what does "pci compliant" mean anyway? |
| 17:21.07 | Jyzygzy- | does /etc/init.d/networking take its config from /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 17:21.18 | teratoma_ | 40,000 rules and regs you have to follow in order to store CC numbers |
| 17:21.30 | wip | jelly: if you want to process credit card on your server, VISA, mastercard need a certification that your server is secure... |
| 17:22.57 | jelly | wip: oh dear. it might a good idea to make debian compliant by default, then. At this stage of release freeze, it's extremely unlikely this is going to happen |
| 17:22.57 | teratoma_ | i think your PCI compliant auditor is screwing with you |
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| 17:24.00 | teratoma_ | tell your auditor to go screw off |
| 17:24.03 | wip | teratoma_: actually i don't mind upgrading openssl... |
| 17:24.19 | teratoma_ | the version of openssl in debian stable etch is fine |
| 17:24.23 | jelly | wip: perhaps you just need to disable certain "low security" SSL ciphers |
| 17:24.31 | davood | I want to install debian on Supermicro X7dbl-e with Raid Controller, the installer does not recognize raid controller (Interl Matrix Storage ESB2) is there any solution for this problem ? |
| 17:25.07 | teratoma_ | VISA does not say 'openssl 0.9.8g is not pci compliant' |
| 17:25.08 | wip | jelly: done - really it's the version that they don't like |
| 17:25.19 | dana_good | davood: that's probably SATAraid or fakeraid |
| 17:25.21 | wip | teratoma_: no but my auditor yes |
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| 17:25.38 | teratoma_ | i think your auditor is just sitting around thinking of reasons to charge you |
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| 17:25.49 | Neeesat2 | Anyone knows a solution how to boot debian on a 8GB CF? |
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| 17:26.13 | shadfc | afaik, they only require PCI compliance when you reach a certain amount of annual processing. we use scanalert to get our compliance =/ |
| 17:26.14 | tCzern | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.32 | jelly | davood: which debian release? have you tried the etchnhalf installer? |
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| 17:27.06 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone tell me how i can list all available version that apt-get can offer for an application ? |
| 17:27.12 | teratoma_ | ive been spending months getting into pci compliance |
| 17:27.14 | teratoma_ | it's a gigantic scam |
| 17:27.16 | rocketmagnet | or how to display the current version of the installed one |
| 17:27.21 | teratoma_ | i want to get in on this scam! |
| 17:27.24 | teratoma_ | open an auditing service |
| 17:27.25 | wip | people in apache told me to upgrade my bloody openssl! |
| 17:27.35 | wip | apt-get source libopenssl, download the original source, patch with the Debian patch, edit the debian Changelog, fakeroot debian/rules binary to build the new package. |
| 17:27.43 | wip | does it make sense? |
| 17:27.50 | Neeesat2 | Do I have to set any parameter during installation of debian like pci=nodma? |
| 17:27.53 | jelly | wip: if you make Apache fake the ssl version in the header/banner, do you pass the test then? :-) |
| 17:28.02 | wip | jelly: yes |
| 17:28.12 | teratoma_ | did you file a changelog request with your auditor? i bet you didn't. now you are no longer pci compliant. kill yourself. |
| 17:28.13 | wip | jelly: how :) |
| 17:28.26 | yopyop | hello, im trying to do a mirror of backports using debmirror, im getting error when im mirroring contrib and non-free, everything is fine with main. error i got with contrib and non-free : http://paste.debian.net/21395/ |
| 17:28.27 | shadfc | teratoma_: who is your auditor? |
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| 17:28.47 | wip | teratoma_: exactly i am not pci compliant so if someone stole the cc on the server, i am dead. |
| 17:29.02 | wip | shadfc: trustkeeper |
| 17:29.14 | davood | jelly: etch |
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| 17:29.47 | wip | patch with the Debian patch means uupdate? |
| 17:29.51 | davood | dana_good: MOBO is http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000V/X7DVL-E.cfm |
| 17:29.56 | asg | wip: show your QSA the changelog entry where the fix for the problem that 0.9.8i's release addressed. |
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| 17:31.04 | davood | dana_good: SATA, Raid is for windows, it's a bad sign |
| 17:31.09 | wip | asg: really i am not a pci compliant expert, all i want is to be compliant again... the version 0.9.8g is too old for trustkeeper |
| 17:31.12 | dana_good | davood: that is fakeraid |
| 17:31.35 | wip | is it possible to upgrade openssl without messing up my server? |
| 17:31.51 | dana_good | davood: basically, if its sata, it's not real raid. you can do software raid in debian or lvm or whatever |
| 17:31.53 | wip | there's no openssl0.9.8i.deb around so i need to do it myself? |
| 17:32.22 | asg | wip: that's because automated tools only look for version numbers. Explain that Debian provides security by backporting fixes, not upgraded packages. As long as you can document that you can argue the AS test results confidently. |
| 17:32.24 | shadfc | wip: when scanalert complains about my openssl version, i just send them the changelog entries which address whatever CVE they're moaning over and they settle down. |
| 17:33.52 | wip | asg: debain etch provides security by backporting fixes by default or i have to enable something? |
| 17:33.58 | shadfc | hmm, i guess its mcafee now |
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| 17:34.19 | asg | wip: it does provided you have the security sources in /etc/apt/sources.list (you should have by default but worth checking.) |
| 17:34.21 | wip | shadfc: where can i find the changelog for openssl? |
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| 17:34.34 | asg | wip: /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 17:35.06 | jelly | wip: where "pkg" is libssl0.9.8 |
| 17:35.08 | sharp15 | is there a way to restart X on debian? the session/server was started through kdm and I would like to restart kdm without rebooting the machine. |
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| 17:35.21 | jelly | sharp15: you said it -- restart kdm |
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| 17:35.43 | sharp15 | jelly: just in run that from a terminal? |
| 17:35.48 | jelly | sharp15: or just force kill the current X server with ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 17:35.58 | cahoot | sharp15: like /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 17:36.29 | teratoma_ | plus installing your hand patched openssl package probably takes you out of compliance . but you're also just arguing with some dudes perl script. |
| 17:36.52 | wip | asg: hum... this is what i have: http://apache.pastebin.ca/1255371 |
| 17:36.55 | jelly | teratoma_: or shell script. our revisors had some fugly stuff |
| 17:37.12 | wip | asg: is it ok? |
| 17:37.30 | sharp15 | cahoot: thanks. for some reason i kept typing xdm. |
| 17:37.50 | sharp15 | jelly: i'm working over ssh so ctrl-alt-backspace isn't an option. |
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| 17:39.41 | davood | dana_good: thanks |
| 17:40.11 | wip | maybe adding deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free is better? |
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| 17:41.28 | teratoma_ | wip: you should have that in your sources list, pci compliant or not pci compliant. stick your sources.list in a pastebin and paste the url in here. |
| 17:41.50 | asg | wip: probably worth adding those but openssl is in main so you shoudl be covered. Just make sure you run 'aptitude update' |
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| 17:43.04 | wip | thank you very much, writing a beautiful explanation to trustkeeper |
| 17:43.13 | wip | so finally i am not dead |
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| 17:44.14 | Eulex | wip, if you had any record of any specific security problem, it could be checked whether the debian package is vulnerable or not. most probably it is not. |
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| 17:44.28 | teratoma_ | tell them you are switching to slackware |
| 17:44.46 | wip | teratoma_: or maybe linux from scratch ;) |
| 17:45.58 | wip | ok so if i understand how debian works: doing openssl version i get OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 17:46.23 | wip | but actually it's not that old if i look in /usr/share/openssl/ChangeLOGDEbian.gz |
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| 17:46.33 | Eulex | wip, debian backports security updates. |
| 17:46.50 | wip | Eulex: sorry but how? just apt-get upgrade? |
| 17:47.08 | jelly | wip: /usr/share/doc/libssl0.9.8/changelog.Debian.gz, yes |
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| 17:48.10 | Eulex | wip, uh, the debian developers take security fixes from newer versions of openssl (when they're made available) and put them into the version that's currently in stable, and release it as an update for the current stable. |
| 17:49.10 | wip | Eulex: so even if the version is openssl 0.9.8c actually doing apt-get upgrade will patch this version? |
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| 17:49.28 | wip | Eulex: if i have security in apt/sources.list? |
| 17:49.39 | Eulex | wip, if there is a newer version of openssl available for etch, yes |
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| 17:51.02 | kervan | Hi. Can any body help me please? aptitude dist-upgrade does not works for me. It says that no packages needs to be updated. But I know that there is a lot of updates. How can I fix this problem. this is my sources.list : http://rafb.net/p/MKfAcJ39.html Thanks all. |
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| 17:51.26 | cognitiaclaeves | is there a channel on freenode for help with legal issues (such as understanding the GPL and how it might relate to your project?) |
| 17:52.50 | lunartear | i need to specify -nc to dpkg-buildpackage to avoid it cleaning prior to building so it doesnt wipe my modifications to the source tree correct? |
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| 17:55.07 | Jacob_H | cognitiaclaeves: not sure about irc, but there are lots of mailing lists on licensing which usually get good answers. Or you could just fire away with your question (perhaps in ##linux) |
| 17:55.20 | themill | kervan: what makes you say that packages need upgrading? |
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| 17:58.24 | cognitiaclaeves | I thought I was on a channel here that was specifically for legal help, before. Weird. |
| 17:58.24 | kervan | themill: I have 2 computers one is successfully upgrated the other is not upgrating. |
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| 17:58.24 | Jacob_H | cognitiaclaeves: #fsf or #gnu? |
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| 17:58.25 | themill | kervan: but how do you know this? The only way of saying that you know there are packages that need updating is to actually know the name of a package that needs updating... |
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| 17:58.42 | themill | kervan: can you pastebin the output of: aptitude update ; apt-cache policy |
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| 18:00.56 | kervan | themill: http://rafb.net/p/sSVT7398.html |
| 18:02.05 | kervan | themill: I have installed debian to two computers with the same cd. And The first computer updated. But the second is not updating. I think that the second computer needs to be updated. |
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| 18:04.32 | kervan | for example. in first computer firefox version is 3 and on the second computer firefox version is still 2. |
| 18:04.50 | themill | kervan: at last! a package name... |
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| 18:05.22 | themill | kervan: iceweasel 3 isn't in etch at all -- and you have etch on that machine you just showed me the sources.list for. iceweasel 3 is only in lenny/sid. |
| 18:06.24 | kervan | ok. Can I update it to lenny? |
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| 18:07.09 | gorgapor | how can i see what files were affected by installing a deb package? |
| 18:07.14 | themill | kervan: of course, but you need to decide if you actually want to do so. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 18:07.41 | Eulex | kervan, iceweasel 3 is problematic on etch: it needs gtk 2.10, while etch has 2.8 |
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| 18:09.31 | kervan | Eulex: I don't have any problem with firefox3. And my system is soo stable. |
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| 18:10.38 | Eulex | kervan, did you get a firefox3 that included gtk? |
| 18:11.08 | kervan | aptitude dist-upgrade did it for me. |
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| 18:12.27 | Masterkiller | i have installed gcc 4.1 (default is 4.3) but when i try to compile this kernel it keeps using 4.3 even when I type CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 make any help? |
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| 18:13.07 | themill | kervan: there is no way that you used the same installer and just happened to get firefox 3 on that machine without you doing something in between. (e.g. putting lenny in your sources.list) |
| 18:13.38 | Eulex | Masterkiller, using make-kpkg? |
| 18:13.52 | Masterkiller | eulex, no i am not |
| 18:13.57 | kervan | Ok. I understand. I will check the sources.list. Thanks all. |
| 18:14.15 | Eulex | Masterkiller, then start using it, and also read its man page. |
| 18:14.17 | themill | kervan: happy hunting! |
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| 18:15.00 | Eulex | Masterkiller, it will anser your question. |
| 18:15.34 | Masterkiller | eulex, i read the debian howto on it. i'm working on a red hat box that had a kernel panic...i had to download the same 2.6.21 kernel and use it's config. using debian live cd (what i'm used to) will this still be appropriate? |
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| 18:16.35 | Eulex | Masterkiller, right, you wouldn't use make-kpkg on a non-debian system |
| 18:17.03 | Eulex | Masterkiller, are you chrooting into the redhat system from the debian live cd? |
| 18:17.12 | Masterkiller | Eulex, It has a lvm filesystem and i dont reallyl know how to activate that using fedora cd...man i do not like red hat... |
| 18:17.13 | mac123 | HI i need some help in iptables i have setup a iptable entry iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -m owner --uid-owner 1000 -j SNAT --to 192.168.1.6 now i need to del this entry can some help me |
| 18:17.35 | Masterkiller | Eulex, I booted live cd, then mounted the 2 drives (after a lot of apt-get to get lvm mounted) |
| 18:18.20 | Masterkiller | Eulex, I get about 90 minute sinto a compile when i get an error. after researching (i try to do my homework) looks like the problem is 2.6.21 doesnt like gcc 4.3 |
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| 18:18.54 | Masterkiller | so i installed gcc 4.1 (looked like it was a good choice) but i have done what i know how to do and it appears to keep using gcc 4.3 |
| 18:19.02 | Eulex | Masterkiller, does the red hat system have gcc 4.1? |
| 18:19.14 | Masterkiller | i will see |
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| 18:20.03 | dacs | i setup my sshd yesterday and i was able to ssh to my box from work here this morning , and after i did ~shutdown -r now , i am not able to login any more! what happend? |
| 18:20.32 | DaRtHo | hi, i am trying to set nis on my debian etch (for povray cluster) and i'm getting this Starting NIS services: ypbindbinding to YP server...........................................failed (backgrounded). |
| 18:21.41 | Masterkiller | Eulex, It looks like it's using 4.1 but it is installed in a weeeeeird place. under htdocs wtf? i did not make this server! |
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| 18:23.03 | Eulex | Masterkiller, in any case, per the make-kpkg man page, you can set MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.1" to get the effect you want. I believe this will work for a pure make too. |
| 18:23.15 | oneeder | i'm using mplayer and the volume on alsamixer 100 and it's still not loud enough. is there a way to increase it? it's an .ogg file and plays louder on windows. |
| 18:23.53 | Masterkiller | Eulex, Thanks for your help, I'll try to get it to work. |
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| 18:27.03 | Johnessy | hello everyone |
| 18:27.17 | Johnessy | i'm having some problems decompressing a rar file |
| 18:27.27 | Johnessy | i get this error unrar-free: invalid archive 'myfile.rar': Value too large for defined data type |
| 18:27.37 | Johnessy | it's a 2.5 gb rar file |
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| 18:27.53 | Johnessy | any ideas? |
| 18:28.33 | Eulex | Johnessy, did you try unrar-nonfree? |
| 18:28.50 | Eulex | Masterkiller, yw |
| 18:28.52 | Johnessy | E: Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate ? |
| 18:28.53 | d0uglas | when setting an mx record for your own machine you can't just put your own ip, you have to put a host which has the A record of your IP, right? |
| 18:29.19 | Eulex | Johnessy, ah, it's just named 'unrar' |
| 18:29.32 | Johnessy | no, i tried that one too. |
| 18:29.38 | Johnessy | it's either unrar-free or nothing. |
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| 18:30.03 | Eulex | do you have non-free apt sources? |
| 18:30.12 | Johnessy | no, i don't. |
| 18:30.36 | Johnessy | unless i can compile it from the source |
| 18:30.41 | Johnessy | let me see if i can find it. |
| 18:30.46 | Eulex | the non-free unrar needs non-free apt sources |
| 18:30.51 | Eulex | !tell Johnessy about non-free |
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| 18:30.57 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 18:30.57 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:31.01 | HeXiLeD | hello :) |
| 18:31.12 | simonrvn | mumbles something about lag |
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| 18:37.30 | Tch23 | hello |
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| 18:39.18 | Tch23 | Debian can't find no cd-rom device while installing it |
| 18:39.37 | Tch23 | I tried both Debian 4.0 and 64studio 2.1 |
| 18:40.25 | Tch23 | It chechks the language, then the keyboard and the it says that I got no cdrom device... |
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| 18:40.32 | Tch23 | pretty funny |
| 18:40.48 | Tch23 | anyhelp would be appreciated |
| 18:40.58 | HellMind | What should I use to do a beep if a ping is timeout? |
| 18:41.12 | Eulex | Tch23, what's your chipset? |
| 18:41.32 | Tch23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.12 | Eulex | Tch23, you've got a ICH chipset? SATA one? |
| 18:42.43 | Tch23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.05 | Eulex | Tch23, what hardware is this? is it a laptop? |
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| 18:43.34 | lunartear | eulex, themil thanks for your help, I've gotten bind 9.5 with mysql-bind built and installed.. now i need to test :) |
| 18:43.41 | melnik | hello |
| 18:43.52 | Tch23 | Eulex: yeah a laptop |
| 18:43.54 | melnik | have trable with nis on debian testing |
| 18:43.58 | melnik | please help |
| 18:44.16 | Tch23 | Eulex: lenovo Y510 |
| 18:44.27 | melnik | client side does not work |
| 18:44.40 | melnik | it see server , and domain |
| 18:44.43 | rjent | Greetings, a bit off topic but when I try to mount -t cifs //theip/theshare /home/someuserdir/theuser -ouser=theuser I get an error 13 from one samba , but if I try a like share on another samba server all is fine. What should I be looking for? |
| 18:44.58 | Eulex | Tch23, chipset and hardware can be checked with lspci. do you perhaps have a cd-rom that is connected via sata? |
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| 18:46.33 | Masterkiller | is there an old debian live cd with gcc 4.1 that will still work with the repos that you guys know of? |
| 18:46.37 | Tch23 | Eulex: lspci says sata |
| 18:46.43 | Tch23 | Eulex: I trust t |
| 18:46.46 | Tch23 | it* |
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| 18:47.40 | Eulex | Tch23, well, that's not really related. your cd-rom may still be connected through sata or ide |
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| 18:48.28 | Tch23 | Eulex: honnestly I can't answer unless you got some magical terminal lines |
| 18:48.28 | Eulex | Tch23, note that this is just a guess at what the problem may be. I've been bitten by this problem, though, with another laptop, and you needed to boot with a special kernel option to get around it. |
| 18:48.59 | Tch23 | Eulex: I wondered, can I try some USB boot? |
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| 18:49.52 | Eulex | Tch23, is the installer running right now? |
| 18:50.16 | Tch23 | Eulex: unfortunatly I only got one computer |
| 18:50.33 | Eulex | Tch23, then it's quite hard for us to try a few commands. |
| 18:50.38 | Tch23 | Eulex: I tried couple of time with both 64studio and the latest debien |
| 18:51.18 | gorgapor | how can i see what files were affected by installing a deb package? |
| 18:51.18 | Eulex | Tch23, take a look at tuxmobil.org, find out what other people with the same laptop did to install linux on it |
| 18:51.59 | Eulex | gorgapor, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 18:52.06 | gorgapor | thanks |
| 18:52.23 | enouf | Tch23: you could try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" at the boot prompt, or "install libata.atapi_enabled=1" or something, but you're prolly going to want the lenny installer - and grab a Daily |
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| 18:52.48 | Eulex | the latter was what I was referring to |
| 18:53.33 | Tch23 | enouf: Eulex: I'll steal my girlfriend's laptop to give a try while chating |
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| 18:54.33 | Johnessy | thanks people |
| 18:54.33 | Johnessy | bye |
| 18:54.45 | enouf | Tch23: i need to go now - hope it works out for you |
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| 18:55.53 | vyrus001 | why cant i mount my newly formated ext4 partition? |
| 18:55.54 | vyrus001 | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 18:56.23 | Eulex | does your kernel have ext4 support? |
| 18:56.39 | vyrus001 | no idea, stock deb kernel |
| 18:56.50 | enouf | read the kernel docs |
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| 19:00.45 | themill | vyrus001: if you don't know that ext4 is called ext4dev (because it still eats babies and data), should you be using it? |
| 19:01.14 | vyrus001 | themill: yes! :D |
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| 19:02.44 | Tch23 | Eulex: hi again |
| 19:02.52 | netsrot_ | Hi, how do I mount a udf and ignoring permissions? |
| 19:02.59 | Tch23 | Eulex:I'm facing the problem now |
| 19:03.00 | vyrus001 | themill: actuly speaking of eating data and babies when is ext4 supposed to go out of dev? |
| 19:03.24 | Eulex | Tch23, did you try the suggestions enouf made? |
| 19:03.45 | themill | vyrus001: the "dev" tag was removed a couple of weeks ago, but aiui that only really means that they don't expect the on-disk format to change again. Hopefully. |
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| 19:04.10 | Tch23 | Eulex: Well, I don't even know where to type those lines |
| 19:04.23 | Eulex | Tch23, at the boot prompt. |
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| 19:04.39 | Tch23 | Eulex:(run a shell"? |
| 19:05.11 | Eulex | Tch23, no, before the installer is booted. |
| 19:05.50 | Tch23 | Eulex: May I ask you to copy-paste the lines, cause i've lost 'em (sorry for that) |
| 19:06.02 | Eulex | <enouf> Tch23: you could try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" at the boot prompt, or "install libata.atapi_enabled=1" or something, but you're prolly going to want the lenny installer - and grab a Daily |
| 19:06.39 | Tch23 | Eulex: thanks! |
| 19:06.48 | themill | Eulex: rc1 was released the other day |
| 19:07.02 | Tch23 | Eulex: should I pick " special boot parameters for the install system"? |
| 19:07.29 | Eulex | Tch23, what menu are you in now? |
| 19:07.43 | Tch23 | Eulex: F1 |
| 19:08.12 | Eulex | Tch23, that's just some help text. |
| 19:08.14 | Tch23 | Eulex: I should just type enouf's lines then enter? |
| 19:08.20 | Eulex | yes. |
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| 19:10.12 | Tch23 | Eulex: let's try the first one |
| 19:10.46 | Tch23 | Eulex: same issue |
| 19:10.54 | Tch23 | Eulex: now the second one |
| 19:11.00 | cast | i want to use lipkey in nfsv4, i see mention on man nfs of lipkey, saying it is supported. is that right? |
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| 19:11.55 | Selveste1 | Hey to all :P |
| 19:12.17 | Tch23 | Eulex:same issue |
| 19:12.26 | Tch23 | Eulex: no differences at all |
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| 19:13.14 | Eulex | Tch23, you could try the lenny rc1 then |
| 19:13.38 | CY83RFLA5H007 | I have a question about knoppix. Coukd someone help me? |
| 19:13.44 | CY83RFLA5H007 | Could |
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| 19:14.18 | CY83RFLA5H007 | I successfully installed Knoppix to a usb thumbstick. |
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| 19:14.40 | CY83RFLA5H007 | It boots into KDE successfully. |
| 19:15.22 | Eulex | !knoppix |
| 19:15.23 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
| 19:16.18 | CY83RFLA5H007 | I found this channel on the web and a web page said to talk about knoppix in this channel. |
| 19:16.32 | CY83RFLA5H007 | I will go to the channel you specified. Thanks! |
| 19:16.32 | Eulex | then that's wrong |
| 19:17.24 | Tch23 | Eulex: i'll try.... many thanks for your help eulex |
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| 19:20.51 | peepsalot | !uncurse |
| 19:20.51 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu2debian is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse | You will probably *not* end up with an actual Debian install, therefore it is not supported by #debian. You can contact tarzeau directly if you need support after running this script, or /msg tarzeau help me on ubuntu2debian and gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
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| 19:21.48 | stevedondley | hi, how do I use dpkg to determine if I have a "vanilla" version of php5 or some advanced version that has been backported? |
| 19:22.17 | Eulex | you could use apt-cache policy |
| 19:22.17 | stevedondley | package, I should say, not version |
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| 19:23.01 | stevedondley | Eulex: so I just issue that command? |
| 19:23.17 | stevedondley | "apt-cache policy" |
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| 19:23.21 | Eulex | stevedondley, with the package name as argument. |
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| 19:24.01 | unfo | !uncurse |
| 19:24.02 | dpkg | [ubuntu2debian] http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse | You will probably *not* end up with an actual Debian install, therefore it is not supported by #debian. You can contact tarzeau directly if you need support after running this script, or /msg tarzeau help me on ubuntu2debian and gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
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| 19:24.15 | stevedondley | cool, it reports back "Installed: (none)" |
| 19:24.19 | kunwon1 | that link is dead |
| 19:24.21 | unfo | why is the link http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse broken? |
| 19:24.29 | stevedondley | and it gives me a Candidate: 5.2.0-8+etch13 |
| 19:24.33 | kunwon1 | unfo, ask tarzeau |
| 19:24.33 | zinx | tarzeau probably got tired of it. |
| 19:24.46 | unfo | tarzeau: can I take over maintainership of uncurse? |
| 19:24.47 | stevedondley | so I know I have php5 running on this machine |
| 19:25.04 | Eulex | stevedondley, what package are you looking at? |
| 19:25.08 | stevedondley | how do I install php5-curl into this machine, I have to roll it myself? |
| 19:25.23 | stevedondley | I did apt-cache policy php5 |
| 19:25.26 | stevedondley | php5 |
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| 19:25.40 | zinx | stevedondley: dh-make-php |
| 19:25.42 | Eulex | stevedondley, that's a metapackage. |
| 19:25.54 | stevedondley | you want me to issue that command? |
| 19:26.08 | zinx | stevedondley: dh-make-php is the answer to you query "how do I install php5-curl into this machine, I have to roll it myself?" |
| 19:26.11 | Eulex | stevedondley, you might want to do dpkg -l|grep php to see what php-related packages you have installed, if any. |
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| 19:26.29 | zinx | erh nevermind, php5-curl is already in Debian |
| 19:26.34 | zinx | just install it normally :x |
| 19:26.58 | stevedondley | dpkg -l|grep php |
| 19:26.58 | dpkg | stevedondley: no idea |
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| 19:26.59 | stevedondley | oops |
| 19:27.01 | stevedondley | wrong terminal |
| 19:28.02 | kenjy | guys I can't install with gem in lenny, I get: redmine:~# gem install -i /usr/local/redmine/gems/ rails |
| 19:28.03 | kenjy | ERROR: While executing gem ... (Zlib::GzipFile::Error) |
| 19:28.05 | stevedondley | Eulex: ok, I've got a bunch of php4 packages and a bunch of php5 packages as expected |
| 19:28.05 | Eulex | stevedondley, any results? |
| 19:28.17 | stevedondley | I do not have php5-curl |
| 19:28.22 | stevedondley | which is what I need |
| 19:28.31 | zinx | stevedondley: aptitude install php5-curl |
| 19:28.32 | Eulex | stevedondley, install it? |
| 19:28.50 | stevedondley | well, here's what I'm worried about |
| 19:29.00 | shadfc | I'm having problems compiling zfs-fuse on etch amd64. The maintainer/developer of that says that i most likely have a broken compiler. Anyone care to help or point me in the right direction to report this? https://developer.berlios.de/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=14791&group_id=6836 |
| 19:29.33 | Eulex | stevedondley, try installing the package. if you have some strange php5 packages, it will fail. |
| 19:29.47 | stevedondley | I've had dondelelcaro set up php5. the guy's a friggin' magician. and I think he did some advanced stuff with the php5 package, and I don't want to break it |
| 19:29.56 | zinx | stevedondley: just install it |
| 19:30.20 | stevedondley | gulp |
| 19:30.34 | zinx | stevedondley: debian package managers are good about telling you what they're going to do. |
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| 19:30.49 | stevedondley | zinx, right, I just need to be 110% certain |
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| 19:31.27 | stevedondley | I'll issue the command and see if it reports anything out of the ordinary |
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| 19:31.51 | zinx | stevedondley: if you can't/won't use a standard debian package manager, then you shouldn't be asking for help here :P |
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| 19:32.14 | Eulex | shadfc, the developer appears to be right. |
| 19:32.20 | peepsalot | hi unfo, so tell me about testing ;-) |
| 19:32.41 | stevedondley | zinx: well, the problem is a I run fastcgi and there were some problem with that and php5, so don did something magical, I don't know what |
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| 19:32.48 | unfo | all : peepsalot asked me: is testing stable? What is the answer? |
| 19:32.57 | stevedondley | I was getting a lot of internal server errors |
| 19:33.03 | shadfc | Eulex: so whats next then? where do i report this to? |
| 19:33.10 | unfo | actually the question was: "how stable is testing?" |
| 19:33.22 | Eulex | shadfc, bugs.debian.org |
| 19:33.47 | zinx | shadfc: gcc -dumpmachine |
| 19:34.28 | shadfc | zinx: i486-linux-gnu |
| 19:34.43 | Eulex | shadfc, uh, that's wrong |
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| 19:34.56 | zinx | shadfc: you're running 32-bit debian |
| 19:35.00 | zinx | shadfc: with a 64-bit kernel |
| 19:35.09 | zinx | shadfc: zfs-fuse may not support that setup |
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| 19:35.16 | shingalated | I think I just auto-removed some stuff I needed, is there any way to check what just got removed? |
| 19:35.25 | kenjy | any idea? |
| 19:35.31 | shadfc | doh |
| 19:35.43 | zinx | shadfc: best to ask them, though |
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| 19:36.11 | peterrooney | unfo: /msg dpkg moving target |
| 19:36.26 | unfo | peterrooney: don't tell me, tell peepsalot :) |
| 19:36.55 | peterrooney | !tell peepsalot about moving target |
| 19:37.03 | peepsalot | thx |
| 19:37.13 | shadfc | zinx: any way i can "upgrade" to 64bit debian? =) |
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| 19:37.50 | zinx | shadfc: sadly i think the only way is to reinstall with amd64 debian instead of i386 |
| 19:38.00 | pickcoder | shadfc: not easily, but it is possible |
| 19:38.15 | pickcoder | you'd have to install it in a chroot and bootstrap it |
| 19:38.28 | peepsalot | so, AIUI the releases change every 2 yrs, so if i run stable, then program versions will be up to 2 yrs out of date? |
| 19:38.33 | pickcoder | you're better off backing up and doing a reinstall |
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| 19:39.01 | shingalated | I think I just auto-removed some stuff I needed, is there any way to check what just got removed? |
| 19:39.41 | unfo | shadfc: why do you insist on 64bit debian? I prefer 32bit, even on 64bit machines, because of flashplugin-nonfree and other reasons. |
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| 19:40.22 | peepsalot | same experience here with 64bit linux, not worth it |
| 19:40.34 | roxazer | how do i use 2 ssh ports in debian? |
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| 19:41.26 | cast | go 64bit! peoples reasons not to revolve around closed source crap. debian is the free operating system, thus i have no issues recommending the amd64 port to everyone :) |
| 19:43.10 | cast | [also get performances boosts in openssl, oggenc, ive noticed] |
| 19:43.27 | peepsalot | if you have less than 4gb ram, then you are just wasting a lot of it by going 64bit. every pointer is takes twice as much mem. 64bit jdk uses up close to 2x memory for example |
| 19:43.49 | shingalated | so there is no way to check what has been autoremoved by apt-get? |
| 19:44.47 | shadfc | unfo: i guess no real reason, except this wierd compilation problem i'm having. I'm wanting to try zfs-fuse on it and this is preventing me. Perhaps its for the better though |
| 19:45.10 | shadfc | unfo: its a server though, no desktop, so i dont care about flash, etc |
| 19:45.29 | [cannibal] | a |
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| 19:50.21 | unfo | shingalated: check /var/log/dpkg* |
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| 19:55.51 | kenjy | please heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
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| 19:56.42 | shivraj | I use a console mp3 player called mp3blaster |
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| 19:56.51 | shivraj | lately it stopped working |
| 19:56.59 | shivraj | but I can play sound with audacious in windows |
| 19:57.05 | Hideme | Can anyone tell me what the source.list for sarge should read? |
| 19:57.59 | shivraj | its saying "Failed to open sound device." |
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| 19:58.23 | kenjy | can some one help me? |
| 19:58.34 | cahoot | shivraj: lokking for /dev/dsp? if it does - does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 19:58.45 | shivraj | Hideme: you mean sources.lst |
| 19:58.48 | Eulex | Hideme, any particular reason you're running sarge? |
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| 19:59.03 | Hideme | shivraj: Yes. |
| 19:59.17 | cbeok | I've just placed the libflashplayer.so file (flash player 10) into ~./mozilla/plugins Now whenever I visit a flash enabled page, iceweasel dies. What is the problem? |
| 19:59.17 | Hideme | Eulex: Just an old system that works well. |
| 19:59.35 | Hideme | Eulex: archive for my music. |
| 20:00.42 | shivraj | cahoot: let me check |
| 20:00.58 | Hideme | shivraj: That dpkg notice is useless. I need to know what the naming convention for sarge has changed to. |
| 20:01.19 | shivraj | cahoot: nope it doesnt exist |
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| 20:01.27 | shivraj | cahoot: strange, I use alsa |
| 20:01.40 | kenjy | some one? |
| 20:02.18 | shivraj | kenjy: ask your question |
| 20:02.23 | cahoot | shivraj: might be mp3blaster is so old it uses /dev/dsp - alsa offers it via snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:02.31 | kenjy | shivraj: I did it :S |
| 20:03.03 | shivraj | cahoot: it worked until a couple days ago |
| 20:03.09 | Eulex | Hideme, security support for sarge has ended; you should upgrade. |
| 20:03.26 | shivraj | cahoot: something changed when I did an upgrade |
| 20:03.27 | Hideme | Eulex: I know that. |
| 20:03.29 | kenjy | shivraj: this is the problem: redmine:/usr/share/doc/rubygems# gem install rails |
| 20:03.30 | kenjy | ERROR: While executing gem ... (Zlib::GzipFile::Error) |
| 20:03.30 | kenjy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:03.54 | shivraj | kenjy: see #rubyonrails |
| 20:03.56 | cahoot | shivraj: why not try modprobe snd-pcm-oss and see how mp3blaster behaves? |
| 20:04.03 | kenjy | shivraj: debian do a lot of changes on the ruby package |
| 20:04.04 | zinx | cbeok: you may need curl |
| 20:04.08 | shivraj | kenjy: or #rails |
| 20:04.10 | zinx | cbeok: libcurl, rather |
| 20:04.14 | Eulex | Hideme, I don't believe it has been archived (yet) though, so it should be available on mirrors |
| 20:04.54 | shivraj | cahoot: works now |
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| 20:08.31 | JordiGH | I have a directory with some oggs that were ripped from a CD that I have lost, and the original CD was in Arabic. I don't speak the language, but I would like to tag my tracks properly anyways (I like a tidy music collection). Is there any hope? |
| 20:09.10 | xdr | JordiGH: try too google around? |
| 20:09.24 | JordiGH | I've looked at cd-discid and various cddb-related packages, but none of them seem to be able to let me input tracks and length of each to form a cddb. :-( |
| 20:09.30 | JordiGH | xdr: Google for what? |
| 20:09.43 | JordiGH | The Musicbrainz ID seems to require an actual CD. |
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| 20:10.32 | xdr | JordiGH: aah |
| 20:11.06 | xdr | JordiGH: never thought of it actually, I allways use scene stuff, but otherwise "tagging it manually" would be a good idea |
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| 20:11.46 | JordiGH | xdr: But I don't speak Arabic! I don't know the artists are nor could I guess the song titles. |
| 20:12.10 | oneeder | i doubt any database will have that info anyway =P |
| 20:12.17 | zinx | JordiGH: musicbrainz does not require an actual CD |
| 20:12.19 | xdr | JordiGH: you don't even know the english name of the artist? |
| 20:12.27 | zinx | JordiGH: CDDB databases do |
| 20:12.27 | xdr | zinx: that was what I thought :) |
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| 20:12.42 | zinx | JordiGH: musicbrainz is based on the content of the music |
| 20:13.00 | xdr | zinx: and is sooo f-n wrong sometimes |
| 20:13.13 | Devilholk | What kernel should I use for a dual dualcore intel Xeon 64 CPU? |
| 20:13.17 | JordiGH | xdr: No, I have no clue. |
| 20:13.26 | zinx | xdr: cddb or musicbrainz? |
| 20:13.38 | JordiGH | Basically, all I have is I know how long each track is and the number of tracks. And their order. |
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| 20:13.55 | JordiGH | And there might be a slight rounding error as tracks earn or lose a second when they get ripped. |
| 20:14.21 | oneeder | that's not a problem since some programs get the info using the waveform |
| 20:14.29 | cbeok | zinx: That did the trick - thanks. |
| 20:14.58 | JordiGH | oneeder: Which program? That was my original question. Debian can solve this problem, I know it! |
| 20:14.58 | zinx | JordiGH: if you have the tracks, try trm from libtunepimp-bin |
| 20:15.12 | JordiGH | zinx: Okay, let me try... |
| 20:15.20 | zinx | JordiGH: it uses the musicbrainz ids, which are based on music content, not length of tracks |
| 20:15.21 | Devilholk | Is the amd64 kernel compatible with Xeon 64? |
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| 20:16.06 | JordiGH | zinx: Hm, there doesn't seem to be a -bin package... but we have Python bindings, good enough. |
| 20:16.16 | zinx | JordiGH: what release? |
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| 20:16.41 | JordiGH | zinx: Uh, I've got testing, unstable, and experimental repos available. |
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| 20:16.54 | zinx | JordiGH: the package was renamed at some point.. hmm, there's a libtunepimp-bin in unstable |
| 20:17.08 | JordiGH | !info libtunepimp-bin |
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| 20:17.17 | zinx | !info libtunepimp-bin sid |
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| 20:17.23 | oneeder | i don't know any free software for that, but winamp does it |
| 20:17.37 | arisv | this is my problem: http://pastebin.com/m346e0c34 |
| 20:17.39 | zinx | JordiGH: you can also apt-cache rdepends libmusicbrainz4c2a |
| 20:17.44 | arisv | any ideas? after hours googling.. |
| 20:17.44 | JordiGH | oneeder: Yeah, I'm not going to try using wine just to fix this. :-) |
| 20:17.53 | zinx | hmm, maybe i have the package from somewhere else |
| 20:18.12 | oneeder | =\ wine probably wouldn't work anyway |
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| 20:18.44 | JordiGH | oneeder: Oh? I thought it was getting to be pretty good. I've never used it. |
| 20:19.16 | zinx | JordiGH: anyway, just apt-cache rdepends libmusicbrainz4c2a, one of the packages listed is bound to be something that works :P |
| 20:19.55 | JordiGH | I'll use the Python bindings... |
| 20:20.06 | arisv | anyone? |
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| 20:20.35 | JordiGH | arisv: Sorry, I use iwlwifi myself. :-/ |
| 20:20.59 | shivraj | arisv: is the driver working ? |
| 20:21.29 | cahoot | arisv: did you pull the debian version of firmware? |
| 20:21.35 | Devilholk | Can I use the amd64 kernel with Intel Xeon 64? I could of course use i386 but I'd like to take advantage of the 64 bit architecture. |
| 20:21.46 | arisv | cahoot: i did install the firmware by module-assistant |
| 20:22.13 | abrotman | Devilholk: yes |
| 20:22.16 | arisv | shivraj: i just modprobe the driver, but no networks found |
| 20:22.17 | cahoot | arisv: Debian users beware: don't use the the zd1211-firmware package, as this is for Debian's fork of the vendor-based driver |
| 20:22.33 | Devilholk | abrotman: Thanks |
| 20:22.45 | cahoot | arisv: you do know you also need firmware? |
| 20:23.03 | arisv | cahoot: so i have to remove the zd1211-firmware? |
| 20:23.30 | cahoot | arisv: read here: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw#Firmware |
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| 20:24.08 | arisv | cahoot: i need firmware, but if i remove that package? |
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| 20:24.44 | cahoot | arisv: can't hurt |
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| 20:25.42 | arisv | cahoot: so, what do u suggest? |
| 20:25.50 | cahoot | arisv: read here: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw#Firmware |
| 20:26.35 | cahoot | arisv: you are aware of the difference between module and firmware? |
| 20:27.06 | cahoot | or rather their complementary function? |
| 20:27.15 | arisv | cahoot: no |
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| 20:27.40 | shivraj | cahoot: can you explain, I have a broadcom card, which works ... but I have no clue, I just installed firmware and driver |
| 20:27.41 | arisv | cahoot: so am gonna remove the deb package and copy the firmwares from the source into /etc/firmware? |
| 20:28.17 | cahoot | arisv: ok zd1211rw is the module (supplied by kernel) zd1211rw-firmware is also need to make the module actually able to make use of the wlan device |
| 20:28.25 | arisv | right |
| 20:28.55 | arisv | so, the source i downloaded from the url you gave me, has both module and firmware? |
| 20:29.11 | shivraj | arisv: just follow the directions there very carefully |
| 20:29.16 | cahoot | no just the fw - if you use a recent kernel its module is just fine |
| 20:29.28 | arisv | ok |
| 20:29.53 | cahoot | arisv: kernels > 2.6.19 IIRC |
| 20:30.09 | arisv | cahoot: Copy the zd1211_* files to |
| 20:30.10 | arisv | /lib/firmware/zd1211, where they can be loaded by the rewritten |
| 20:30.11 | arisv | zd1211 driver. |
| 20:30.19 | arisv | sorry for the paste, the driver is already embeded? |
| 20:30.34 | shivraj | cahoot: so FIRMWARE = PROPRIETARY and Module = Free, but they need each other to work |
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| 20:30.48 | cahoot | shivraj: you've got it |
| 20:31.10 | cahoot | arisv: what kernel do you have? uname -r |
| 20:31.28 | arisv | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 20:31.58 | cahoot | arisv: ok that kernel supplies the needed module - you just need the correct firmware |
| 20:32.32 | arisv | cahoot: so, i just have to put the firmware to the correct place? nothing to modprobe? |
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| 20:33.08 | cahoot | arisv: after you have the fw in place you must unload and reload the module |
| 20:33.16 | JordiGH | Sweet, Picard does it. |
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| 20:33.40 | JordiGH | zinx: Picard looks like it does the trick. |
| 20:33.44 | cahoot | arisv: ie modprobe -r zd1211rw followed by modprobe zd1211rw |
| 20:34.06 | zinx | JordiGH: :D |
| 20:34.08 | arisv | cahoot: u told me to remove the debian package |
| 20:34.16 | arisv | cahoot: if i remove, where i will find the module? :P) |
| 20:34.22 | arisv | sorry.. |
| 20:34.45 | arisv | is the module into the kernel by default? |
| 20:35.00 | cahoot | yes - as told a couple of times now |
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| 20:35.56 | shivraj | arisv: which country is .gr ? |
| 20:36.12 | arisv | got it /usr/lib/modules.. blah blah, sorry again |
| 20:36.21 | arisv | shivraj: greece |
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| 20:36.55 | arisv | cahoot: so to sum up, a) put the firmware to the correct place and then b) unload & reload the module, right? |
| 20:36.59 | lwolf | hi, i'm looking for a good lvm2 on debian tutorial |
| 20:37.07 | arisv | the firmware from the source you gave me |
| 20:37.07 | lwolf | can one of you help me ? |
| 20:37.13 | cahoot | right |
| 20:37.14 | SpeedyG | Hi, i'm having an issue with the use of nano, every time I try to start it, it gives me a segmentation fault error |
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| 20:37.21 | shivraj | arisv: get some rest |
| 20:37.21 | SpeedyG | anyone who knows how to solve this ? |
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| 20:37.36 | rjent | where did mount type smbfs go? |
| 20:37.39 | arisv | shivraj: sure, i'll have a drink |
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| 20:37.47 | themill | rjent: use cifs instead |
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| 20:38.05 | shivraj | arisv: problem is 90% fixed, just come back and do it later |
| 20:38.06 | rjent | themill: tell me how to configure cifs to use plaintext passwords and I will. |
| 20:38.15 | arisv | shivraj: ok |
| 20:38.47 | arisv | sth else, at the moment am using ndiswrapper, i have to unload ndiswrapper in order zd1211rw to work? |
| 20:38.52 | shivraj | SpeedyG: use Vi, get a tutorial on how to use Vi, |
| 20:39.14 | themill | rjent: first hit on google "cifs plaintext passwords" http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux-cifs-client/2007-March/001849.html |
| 20:39.40 | shivraj | arisv: I would think so .. you can only use one |
| 20:39.50 | cahoot | arisv: I'd certainly remove ndis |
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| 20:39.56 | SpeedyG | shivraj: i'd rather use nano, and want this problem to be fixed... using vi(m) would just be a workaround for now |
| 20:40.18 | arisv | cahoot: that is all i want man, to get rid of that shit called ndiswrapper |
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| 20:40.59 | SpeedyG | so, does anyone have a solution for my segfault problem ? |
| 20:41.17 | shivraj | SpeedyG: are you just running "nano" ? or "nano blah" ? |
| 20:41.18 | rjent | themill: with 0x20 I get mount error 95 = Operation not supported |
| 20:41.27 | SpeedyG | shivraj: 'nano' |
| 20:41.38 | shivraj | SpeedyG: strange |
| 20:41.40 | ranix_ | SpeedyG: use vim |
| 20:41.49 | SpeedyG | ranix_: thats no sollution, thats a workaround |
| 20:41.51 | rjent | themill: with 0x32 I get mount error 13 = Permission denied |
| 20:41.59 | shivraj | SpeedyG: try dist-upgrade if you're using lenny |
| 20:42.07 | SpeedyG | it's etch |
| 20:42.13 | shivraj | SpeedyG: also try removing and installing package ... I dunno |
| 20:42.15 | themill | rjent: you'll do better in #samba ; you've reached the limit of my knowledge of cifs. |
| 20:42.21 | shivraj | SpeedyG: that would mean there is some kind of bug |
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| 20:42.49 | rjent | themill: no responses on the #samba channel must be the wrong time of day |
| 20:42.52 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: is debsums installed? |
| 20:42.55 | SpeedyG | shivraj: i've had this a few weeks ago as well, but no idea how I fixed it then |
| 20:43.01 | rjent | themill: I greatly appreciate your help |
| 20:43.17 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: nope |
| 20:43.34 | shivraj | rjent: several factors could be at play |
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| 20:44.05 | themill | rjent: no worries. Idle in #samba and someone will probably answer. Keep asking google though... You may need to chant other mantras at the same time. |
| 20:44.06 | shivraj | rjent: though google.com is always open for business |
| 20:44.07 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: install it; run "debsums nano"; report any lines not ending in OK |
| 20:44.32 | rjent | themill: yes, I will stab around some more |
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| 20:45.20 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: all ok |
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| 20:46.11 | shivraj | SpeedyG: you should seriously remove nano and use vim or gedit, gedit is a really nice editor, I use gnome |
| 20:46.42 | SpeedyG | shivraj: it's on a server.. kinda senseless to run gnome on there :P |
| 20:47.22 | sigp239 | you could xhost gedit |
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| 20:47.56 | SpeedyG | and still, using $anyrandomotherpackage is just a workaround.. I want nano _not_ to segfault |
| 20:48.02 | shivraj | SpeedyG: do you know how to use Vim ? or Emacs ? ie the shortcut keys ? in terminal ? they're both very good editors |
| 20:48.17 | SpeedyG | shivraj: I WANT NANO |
| 20:48.22 | SpeedyG | how hard is that to understand? |
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| 20:48.41 | SpeedyG | I don't care how good any other package is.. I just want nano |
| 20:48.44 | SpeedyG | nothing more, nothing less |
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| 20:49.12 | shivraj | SpeedyG: well its something trivial, hope you get it fixed |
| 20:49.20 | SpeedyG | hm, |
| 20:49.33 | SpeedyG | seems like some kind of problem in combination with screen ... |
| 20:49.38 | sigp239 | SpeedyG: strace nano |
| 20:49.56 | SpeedyG | gnu screen caused problems apparently :/ |
| 20:49.58 | abrotman | SpeedyG: did you strace it ? |
| 20:50.07 | abrotman | screen shouldn't break nano |
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| 20:50.15 | SpeedyG | abrotman: apparently it did somehow |
| 20:50.24 | abrotman | SpeedyG: strace it .. see where it dies .. |
| 20:50.26 | SpeedyG | closing screen and restarting it, stopped the sefgaults |
| 20:50.28 | abrotman | SpeedyG: which version of debian is it? |
| 20:50.34 | SpeedyG | abrotman: etch |
| 20:50.42 | abrotman | SpeedyG: i386? i can try here |
| 20:50.49 | SpeedyG | yep |
| 20:50.49 | renateitor | hi |
| 20:51.00 | abrotman | SpeedyG: it segfaults starting? works fine here |
| 20:51.03 | SpeedyG | abrotman: the problem isnt repeatable :( can't really find a cause |
| 20:51.11 | SpeedyG | yeah, it did segfault |
| 20:51.22 | renateitor | can anyone tell me how to install debian lenny on a pen drive please? |
| 20:51.22 | SpeedyG | but after ending the screen session, and restarting it.. it works fine now :/ |
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| 20:51.32 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 20:51.32 | dpkg | i heard usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 20:51.43 | abrotman | SpeedyG: and if you strace it ? |
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| 20:52.06 | SpeedyG | abrotman: I can strace a working nano now.. but I guess that wont tell much about the problem will it? :) |
| 20:52.09 | renateitor | thanks dpkg |
| 20:52.13 | renateitor | =) |
| 20:52.14 | abrotman | SpeedyG: i guess if you can't reliably crash it .. stracing will take awhile |
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| 20:52.42 | SpeedyG | abrotman: if it'll ever happen again, I'll strace it first before closing screen :) |
| 20:52.53 | abrotman | uh .. that doesn't make sense .. but okay! |
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| 20:53.31 | SpeedyG | abrotman: does stracing it untill it crashes again make any sense ? |
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| 20:55.17 | abrotman | SpeedyG: only if it takes a minute or two .. if it takes 20 .. it'll be a huge file |
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| 20:57.29 | HellMind | Where is the best way to put 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ( to be executed at startup)? |
| 20:57.51 | HellMind | Where is the best way to add a route at startup? |
| 20:58.32 | cahoot | HellMind: sysctl.conf |
| 20:59.03 | HellMind | nice |
| 20:59.05 | HellMind | and the route? |
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| 21:00.32 | pickcoder | if-up.d specifically |
| 21:00.34 | pickcoder | under /etc/network |
| 21:00.59 | pickcoder | if-down.d in reverse |
| 21:01.19 | HellMind | webmin did a mess in my network file :( |
| 21:01.31 | pickcoder | webmin is horrible |
| 21:01.35 | pickcoder | in general |
| 21:01.39 | HellMind | # up ip route add 192.168.5.0/24 via 192.168.7.1 |
| 21:01.43 | HellMind | look what it adds |
| 21:01.50 | HellMind | on network interfaces |
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| 21:27.19 | cafuego | sets fire to random pieces of furniture |
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| 21:28.49 | LemensTS | If i run a perl script from the bash, and it needs to run 24/7, it wont let me get out of it unless i hit ctrl C |
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| 21:29.03 | LemensTS | which stops the script |
| 21:29.35 | S-i-A | LemensTS: 'pkill SCRIPT' |
| 21:29.38 | cafuego | LemensTS: You can run it via `nohup' or in `screen'. |
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| 21:31.21 | n3kl | screen is best |
| 21:31.24 | n3kl | imo |
| 21:31.38 | pickcoder | if it's not interactive just start it in the background with & |
| 21:31.48 | tarzeau | tired of what? uncurse? |
| 21:31.52 | tarzeau | no it just moved |
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| 21:34.45 | sly007 | Hello, how do I set my FQDN in debian? I want to add the domain name to the current FQDN which is just the hostname |
| 21:35.40 | abrotman | !mailname |
| 21:35.45 | abrotman | !fqdn |
| 21:35.45 | dpkg | from memory, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 21:35.48 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 21:36.01 | abrotman | sly007: edit /etc/hostname and /etc/mailname and make sure /etc/hosts has something to match |
| 21:36.05 | cafuego | sly007: /etc/hostname |
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| 21:36.26 | abrotman | just uses ilove.cafuego.com |
| 21:36.49 | sly007 | should I wite eample.org in /etc/mailname? |
| 21:37.03 | cafuego | that doesn't exist and you don't have the dkim secret key and aren't in spf, sorry |
| 21:37.17 | cafuego | sly007: only if you own the example.org domain. |
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| 21:37.32 | sly007 | I already have something in /etc/mailname and still my smtp server keeps authentifying with foo |
| 21:37.47 | sly007 | which sometimes fails since it's not a FQDN |
| 21:37.50 | noob | how do i upgrade php4 to php5 on debian? |
| 21:37.51 | pickcoder | authentifying.. that's new |
| 21:38.00 | cafuego | sly007: You might need to restart the mail server |
| 21:38.03 | CoolCold | apt-get remove php4 |
| 21:38.04 | sly007 | I mean the HELO part |
| 21:38.05 | pickcoder | noob: install php5 |
| 21:38.07 | CoolCold | apt-get install php5 :) |
| 21:38.24 | cafuego | noob: Just install the php5 packages and tell apache to use them instead (a2dismod php4; a2enmod php5) |
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| 21:38.28 | noob | do i need to make any changes to the my.conf or apache2.conf? |
| 21:38.33 | sly007 | my exim installation says HELO foo |
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| 21:38.41 | cafuego | noob: No, use the a2(en|dis)mod scripts |
| 21:38.44 | sly007 | I would like it to say HELO foo.example.org |
| 21:39.01 | noob | Package php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:39.11 | cafuego | libapache(2)-mod-php5 |
| 21:39.30 | pickcoder | sly007: what MTA are you running |
| 21:39.37 | noob | wahat should i do? |
| 21:39.39 | sly007 | pickcoder: exim4 |
| 21:39.48 | cafuego | noob: Do you use apache 1.3.x or 2.x? |
| 21:39.54 | noob | cafuego: 2 |
| 21:39.56 | noob | E: Package php5 has no installation candidate |
| 21:40.05 | cafuego | apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:40.07 | pickcoder | sly007: can't help.. sorry |
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| 21:40.12 | notsohot | hello |
| 21:40.20 | cafuego | Also add php5-NNNNN where NNN is a package like mysql or gd2, if you nee them. |
| 21:40.24 | noob | E: Package libapache2-mod-php5 has no installation candidate |
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| 21:40.34 | sly007 | I Found the problem. In my /etc/hosts, I have xx.xx.xx.xx foo foo.example.org |
| 21:40.40 | sly007 | I corrected it |
| 21:40.49 | noob | i need php5, mysql, gd, pear, the works. |
| 21:40.51 | cafuego | noob: Which debian version are you running? |
| 21:40.52 | sly007 | xx.xx.xx.xx foo.example.org foo |
| 21:40.56 | noob | sarge |
| 21:40.57 | themill | judd versions libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:40.58 | judd | themill: libapache2-mod-php5: 5.2.0-8+etch11 (etch) 5.2.0-8+etch13 (etch-security) 5.2.6-5 (lenny) 5.2.6-5 (sid) |
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| 21:41.04 | sly007 | now hostname -f gives me the FQDN |
| 21:41.13 | cafuego | noob: I very much doubt sarge includes ph5. it's is *VERY* old. |
| 21:41.21 | themill | noob: ahh.. that's why. Sarge is unsupported now. /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:41.39 | noob | cafuego: how do i check my debian ver? |
| 21:41.47 | pickcoder | noob: upgrade as soon as you can |
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| 21:41.50 | cafuego | noob: So you'll need to upgrade tht amchien to etch first; then you can add php5. |
| 21:41.54 | cafuego | noob: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:42.04 | pickcoder | etch will be oldstable soon |
| 21:42.11 | noob | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:42.12 | noob | 3.1 |
| 21:42.28 | cafuego | pickcoder: For values of "soon" between "tomorrow" and "next decade" |
| 21:42.38 | noob | is 3.1 sarge or etch? |
| 21:42.41 | abrotman | sarge |
| 21:42.42 | cafuego | noob: sarghe |
| 21:42.45 | cafuego | etch is 4 |
| 21:42.54 | pickcoder | wasn't the last estimate like April-ish |
| 21:43.01 | noob | cafuego: ugh.. this gonna be a big process isn't it? |
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| 21:43.20 | cafuego | noob: Depends on what you're running; it wasn't too bad on my machines. |
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| 21:43.52 | pickcoder | noob: install a 2.6 kernel manually if you can |
| 21:44.04 | noob | pickcoder: i have no idea how to upgrade debian. |
| 21:44.06 | pickcoder | it will help you avoid kernel version migration woes |
| 21:44.08 | cafuego | noob: I think it swapped my eth0 and eth1, that was the biggest issue. |
| 21:44.15 | abrotman | !tell noob about sarge->etch |
| 21:44.23 | abrotman | pickcoder: sarge has a 2.6 in it |
| 21:44.34 | pickcoder | not if the machine hasn't been updated! |
| 21:44.58 | pickcoder | noob: name -r |
| 21:45.03 | pickcoder | uname -r |
| 21:45.20 | noob | pickcoder: what does that do? |
| 21:45.29 | cafuego | noob: it prints the current kernel version |
| 21:45.33 | pickcoder | shows kernel ver |
| 21:45.45 | noob | cafuego/pickcoder: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 21:46.37 | cafuego | quaint ;-) |
| 21:46.37 | pickcoder | I loved that release... never gave a hiccup |
| 21:46.37 | abrotman | and it's an ABI back from what sarge ended with |
| 21:46.37 | pickcoder | until I tried to got to Etch on 2.6 |
| 21:46.37 | pickcoder | :( |
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| 21:46.37 | abrotman | !worked in 2.4 |
| 21:46.37 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 21:46.37 | abrotman | hides |
| 21:46.41 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 21:46.47 | noob | cafuego: what do i do? |
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| 21:47.16 | cafuego | noob: You start by making sure you have the latest sarge packages. Then you add thre sarge 2.6 kernel and boot it. If that works, you upgrade to etch. |
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| 21:47.46 | noob | cafuego: .. not a clue how to do that stuff.. is there a tutorial? |
| 21:47.54 | cafuego | noob: Yup, should be |
| 21:48.12 | donkeypiss | has anyone tried ubuntu's truecrypt package on lenny/sid, i'm reading one source here that says that should work, but i remember it was fail last time i tried that (maybe that was under etch, i just cant remember) |
| 21:48.19 | noob | cafuego: .. or plz tell me what commands? |
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| 21:48.23 | donkeypiss | it seems to be the only option for debian unless i were to compile it |
| 21:48.26 | cafuego | noob: Just a sec, looking |
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| 21:48.53 | noob | cafuego: thx! |
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| 21:49.12 | cafuego | noob: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 21:49.24 | Ab3l | hello is it possible to choose XFCE withe the dvd install dvd ? |
| 21:49.51 | noob | cafuego: is my apache web docs safe? or will they be wiped? |
| 21:50.14 | cafuego | noob: they are safe, *BUT* you should should have a backup anyway. |
| 21:50.14 | pothibo | How can you force to recreate a superblock without losing data ? I tried resizing a partition on debian, but the computer crashed... |
| 21:50.27 | noob | cafuego: okay.. i'll back up first. |
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| 21:50.58 | cafuego | noob: The thing about bckup up is, that at worst you lose some time. But losing time is better than losing your data. |
| 21:51.20 | noob | cafuego: you can say that again, m8 |
| 21:51.26 | GeorgeS^ | Howdy folks. Could someone please tell me where I could get an old version of Etch? specifically Etch RC2 ? thanks |
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| 21:52.24 | mastertheknife64 | I have a newbie debian question.. |
| 21:52.48 | noob | mastertheknife64: welcome to the club :) |
| 21:52.51 | mastertheknife64 | how to enable console colors and such? ediitng .bashrc only does it for the current user.. is there a way to make colors the default on all new users? |
| 21:53.06 | cafuego | mastertheknife64: Edit /etc/bashrc - the global one. |
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| 21:53.18 | mastertheknife64 | noob: thanks :) |
| 21:53.23 | mastertheknife64 | cafuego: Ah great! thank you! |
| 21:53.43 | cafuego | mastertheknife64: There is also stuff in /etc/profile and /etc/environment |
| 21:54.12 | noob | cafuego: 30mins for backup.. will i find you then if i have more questions? |
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| 21:57.14 | pothibo | Could anyone tell me how to force the creation of the superblock on a broken filesystem? |
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| 21:58.17 | cafuego | pothibo: Are any of the backup superblocks still present? |
| 21:58.47 | pothibo | cafuego: I don't know... fsck -p /dev/hdb2 give me a Bad Magic number in super block... |
| 21:59.18 | cafuego | pothibo: You might in that case be able to run fsck with a backup one; which will *probably* mean you'll need to rerun the resize afterwards. |
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| 21:59.44 | cafuego | If you don't have a backup superblock, I don't know ... any any help i might give will probably destroy the fs. |
| 21:59.48 | pothibo | cafuego: okay, that's not a problem.. how do I declaire a backup ? |
| 21:59.57 | pothibo | cafuego: well, it's backed up |
| 22:00.11 | cafuego | pothibo: fsck -b <sblock> |
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| 22:00.20 | cafuego | sblock is the the block number |
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| 22:00.37 | Ab3l | hi i burned debian4r5-xfce-cd1 and installation fails but bho iso both cd md5 matches the one on the file md5sums of the site |
| 22:00.44 | pothibo | cafuego: okay I tried that but I don't know what backup block is |
| 22:00.45 | cafuego | Have a quick google to see what the number might be; prolly 8191 and 16383 etc ... but check |
| 22:00.52 | pothibo | okay |
| 22:01.04 | pothibo | 8193 |
| 22:01.08 | pothibo | not wokring hehe |
| 22:01.27 | cafuego | ah, +1 not -1 |
| 22:01.53 | cafuego | pothibo: Try a few others too, depending on the disk size and whether sparse_super is set they might live elsewhere |
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| 22:02.02 | pothibo | ok |
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| 22:03.11 | pothibo | nah |
| 22:03.15 | pothibo | it's FOOBAR |
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| 22:03.24 | pothibo | time for a format I suppose |
| 22:03.37 | cafuego | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 22:03.57 | pothibo | ty |
| 22:05.00 | darkskiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.01 | darkskiez | its weird, coz i'd assume the raid mirror would pick up on it and rewrite the block, but it doesnt because the error doesnt seem to be propogated up |
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| 22:06.54 | cafuego | Well, if I were you I'd be off buying a new disk. |
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| 22:08.51 | TimothyA | how do i check which version of zlib i have installed? |
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| 22:09.03 | cafuego | dpkg -l zlib1g (I think) |
| 22:09.04 | dpkg | ii zlib1g (I think) 2.4-15.1 cafuego's private porn collection |
| 22:09.17 | TimothyA | xD |
| 22:09.19 | cafuego | dpkg: fuck you |
| 22:09.19 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
| 22:09.52 | darkskiez | thats a nice feature |
| 22:10.06 | TimothyA | how do i install the zlib and zlib-developer dependencies? |
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| 22:10.14 | kunwon1 | dpkg -l zlib1g |
| 22:10.14 | dpkg | ii zlib1g 3.2-15.2 kunwon1's private gamp collection |
| 22:10.22 | kunwon1 | lol |
| 22:10.30 | cafuego | clubs dpkg with a cricket bat. You are a bug, not a feature. |
| 22:10.31 | kunwon1 | someone's had some fun with dpkg! |
| 22:10.32 | darkskiez | dpkg -l dpkg |
| 22:10.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching dpkg |
| 22:10.45 | TimothyA | anyone? ;>_> |
| 22:10.49 | TimothyA | apt-get doesn't seem to find it |
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| 22:11.08 | cafuego | TimothyA: it's not called 'zlib' but 'zlib1g' or somesuch, use apt-cache search to find it. |
| 22:11.17 | TimothyA | oh |
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| 22:13.33 | poseidon | I would love to see the 100% free software idea come into play from http://obamacto.org/ |
| 22:13.52 | cafuego | Wrong country, zero care factor, sorry. |
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| 22:15.08 | jelly-home | kunwon1: so you like gamp! |
| 22:15.25 | cafuego | jelly-home: who doesn't, i mean really |
| 22:15.33 | cafuego | they're so cute! |
| 22:15.42 | abrotman | poseidon: try #debian-offtopic |
| 22:15.46 | jelly-home | maybe I would if I knew what it was! |
| 22:16.05 | cafuego | gamp supposedly stands for gay asian midget porn |
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| 22:16.49 | debCarlos | Hi, i was wondering if i can install a debian server... behind a router (?) |
| 22:17.23 | cafuego | debCarlos: Not remotely, but yes, you can. |
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| 22:18.36 | debCarlos | ok... so other people can connect to it? |
| 22:18.52 | cafuego | debCarlos: As long as you configure the router properly, sure |
| 22:19.32 | debCarlos | that means opening the required ports for apache, etc right ? |
| 22:19.32 | Doitle2 | Has anyone here ever tried using the small iso of Debian in vmware? |
| 22:19.44 | cafuego | debCarlos: yup |
| 22:20.06 | debCarlos | cafuego: ok, thanks :) |
| 22:20.26 | cafuego | debCarlos: You'll probably want 22 (ssh) and 80 (apache) - open them and forward them to the correct internal IP. Note, if you don't need to ssh in from off-site, leave 22 closed |
| 22:21.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | and if you think about opening 20/21, you should be shot for encouraging use of ftp :) |
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| 22:22.53 | kunwon1 | jelly-home, I don't know what it is. I suppose I could google.. |
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| 22:23.31 | debCarlos | then i will be 20/21, 22 and 80 .. |
| 22:23.32 | hatter | i have a server that got upgrade from sarge to etch, that has recreated the file that stops me logging in as a user, it says after entering the password 'system bootup in progress' or something similar, its just done it to me again, after rebooting remotely... |
| 22:23.35 | debCarlos | *it |
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| 22:24.35 | kunwon1 | hmm, gamp seems to have many definitions |
| 22:24.38 | hatter | which i guess is the /etc/nologin file |
| 22:24.52 | hatter | why would it create this file for ? |
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| 22:27.08 | debCarlos | And what about installing a debian server which is connected to those big things with lots of cables going to other computers as well ? |
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| 22:29.32 | kunwon1 | lol |
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| 22:33.33 | valdyn | hatter: it doesnt |
| 22:33.39 | valdyn | hatter: maybe ask your hosting provider? |
| 22:34.01 | hatter | valdyn, ??? I am speaking of a server i manage |
| 22:34.06 | hatter | valdyn. and it did. |
| 22:34.13 | cafuego | debCarlos: A switch you mean? |
| 22:34.30 | debCarlos | cafuego: yeah, couldn't remember how it was called :) |
| 22:34.38 | cafuego | debCarlos: That would be the normal way of networking computers. |
| 22:34.52 | valdyn | hatter: debian has no /etc/nologin... |
| 22:35.05 | Raylz | hows lenny doin? |
| 22:35.18 | cafuego | Raylz: got drunk, threw up, headache now |
| 22:35.20 | Raylz | i heard the installer came out |
| 22:35.41 | debCarlos | cafuego: so it would not present any problem? |
| 22:36.58 | cafuego | debCarlos: Not at all |
| 22:36.58 | cafuego | debCarlos: As far as any computer is concerned, that's just another network connection |
| 22:36.58 | hatter | valdyn, this is the 2nd time it happened, last time i googled and found why it wouldnt let me login, i was pretty sure i had to delete the /etc/nologin file |
| 22:36.58 | valdyn | hatter: wonder who created that file.. |
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| 22:37.15 | abrotman | hatter: that file is created intentionally |
| 22:37.38 | cafuego | /etc/init.d/rc2.d/S99rmnologin |
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| 22:37.49 | cafuego | valdyn: Debian so does have it. |
| 22:37.52 | abrotman | see /etc/init.d/rmnologin |
| 22:38.05 | valdyn | cafuego: it supports it |
| 22:38.11 | valdyn | cafuego: but it doesnt make it |
| 22:38.15 | cafuego | It's created by bootmisc |
| 22:38.15 | abrotman | though .. the script is looking in /var/ |
| 22:38.22 | valdyn | uh |
| 22:38.59 | cafuego | *if* $DELAYLOGIN is set |
| 22:39.29 | debCarlos | cafuego: ok, thanks. I'm going to make the try of mounting an http/ftp/mail server for my school (or maybe highschool, i'm not sure how it's in other countries). |
| 22:39.52 | debCarlos | And i wanted to know what should i do in those cases :) |
| 22:40.01 | cafuego | debCarlos: Debian is great for that, it should work absolutely fine. |
| 22:41.06 | valdyn | ah, /etc/rcS |
| 22:41.12 | valdyn | ah, /etc/default/rcS |
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| 22:41.41 | holdemnuts | how do we tell what version of Debian we're running? i.e. how do I tell between sarge and etch? |
| 22:41.48 | cafuego | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:41.52 | holdemnuts | ty |
| 22:41.54 | linkslice | holdemnuts, cat /etc/debian_verrsion |
| 22:42.01 | linkslice | dang, too slow |
| 22:42.08 | cafuego | linkslice: *and* typo3d |
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| 22:42.25 | valdyn | holdemnuts: depends on how strictly the admin stuck to one release.. |
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| 22:43.06 | holdemnuts | linkslice: ty - i'm on 4.0 - i had used an older netinstall disk a few days ago to upgrade my server and it's 4.0 :-) |
| 22:43.20 | debCarlos | yes, i never considered another dist... |
| 22:43.47 | holdemnuts | i'm still debating whether to ditch arch on my desktop and go back to debian |
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| 22:44.12 | linkslice | cafuego, :-p |
| 22:44.29 | Doitle2 | The reason I asked the earlier question is because trying to use the small install debian disk in vmware... vmware claims it is not a bootable cd. I try to mount teh ubuntu install iso to a virtual drive and it starts right up the ubuntu install, if I mount the debian disk it skips the drive and goes to teh network install which failsl |
| 22:45.15 | hatter | cafuego, so why is it created ? |
| 22:45.58 | hatter | Doitle2, get a new iso, i have done it before |
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| 22:47.40 | debCarlos | What happens if i disable pnp with nopnp option while installing debian ? |
| 22:47.45 | Doitle2 | ah you think that might do it? I figured that the iso download woulda been pretty fool proof and the problem lay with how the debian disk worked in relation to vmware |
| 22:47.48 | Doitle2 | I'll try redownloading htough |
| 22:48.48 | hatter | Doitle2, idk, but any bootable disk or iso should work, did you test your iso's bootability on a real disk and pc ? |
| 22:48.53 | Doitle2 | Ah I downloaded the wrong one I bet... |
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| 22:49.04 | Doitle2 | I downloaded alpha instead of i386 which is what I needed likely |
| 22:49.21 | hatter | Doitle2, ah that will do it |
| 22:49.25 | holdemnuts | lol... i bet that didn't work out |
| 22:49.26 | Doitle2 | I dont know why I did that... |
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| 22:51.00 | hatter | cafuego, do you know what makes $DELAYLOGIN set ? |
| 22:51.49 | valdyn | hatter: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 22:52.19 | hatter | the only thing different to this box compared to any other of my servers is this one was upgraded from sarge |
| 22:52.30 | hatter | maybe a known bug in the upgrade ? |
| 22:54.06 | hatter | valdyn, i c, thanks, the box is 45 minutes away.... dammit |
| 22:54.24 | cafuego | coffee time |
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| 22:57.45 | jaggz | is there an option to say "notify me when this arbitrary window has any activity"? |
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| 23:00.10 | hatter | how do i stop vim from inserting tabs when pasting ? |
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| 23:01.22 | jaggz | :h et |
| 23:01.32 | jaggz | but I don't know what it does in insert (paste) mode |
| 23:01.37 | debCarlos | ok, going to study, thanks for all |
| 23:01.40 | debCarlos | bye |
| 23:01.43 | jaggz | you're welcome Carlos |
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| 23:05.07 | hatter | jaggz, thx |
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| 23:06.52 | hatter | jaggz, i just found this that works :set noai |
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| 23:07.09 | jaggz | oh |
| 23:07.14 | jaggz | look at :help paste also |
| 23:07.24 | jaggz | which is what you're looking for prolly. |
| 23:08.11 | hatter | where are the system wide settings for vim ? |
| 23:08.22 | jaggz | in channel #vim ha. ha. |
| 23:08.38 | hatter | am being lazyyyyy, its in /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 23:10.18 | ma3x | what program you use for writing math formulas and stuff.... ? |
| 23:10.33 | jaggz | strace -e trace=stat,open vim |
| 23:11.19 | Polizei | bc :/ |
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| 23:13.18 | nkuttler | ma3x: for what purpose? |
| 23:13.55 | pothibo | Why is partitionning such a pain and does always break on Linux? I mean, I try resizing an ext3 fs with parted and it screwed the system, I want to resize an ext3 fs, I need to change it to a ext2 fs... |
| 23:14.10 | ma3x | nkuttler: writing formulas and all math standard stuff |
| 23:14.39 | nkuttler | ma3x: i guessed so..... latex |
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| 23:17.27 | ma3x | to run X on a remote host, I ssh -X host and then what? |
| 23:18.06 | jaggz | pothibo, resizing partition is not the same as partitioning. partitioning really doesn't deal with filesystems, but resizing a partition must fully understand a filesystem (or not). |
| 23:18.14 | nkuttler | ma3x: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 23:18.36 | ma3x | nkuttler: i did that |
| 23:18.53 | ma3x | then i ssh -X to the host and login |
| 23:19.00 | ma3x | when i type startx it says X already in use |
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| 23:19.06 | ma3x | or startx -- :1 won't launch it too |
| 23:19.12 | nkuttler | ma3x: try xmessage foo |
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| 23:19.58 | ma3x | nkuttler: it works, now how do i launch X? |
| 23:20.05 | nkuttler | ma3x: where? |
| 23:20.06 | ma3x | though i get some warning Warning: Cannot convert string "vlines2" to type Pixmap |
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| 23:20.09 | ma3x | nkuttler: on that remote host |
| 23:20.21 | nkuttler | ma3x: that has nothing to do with x forwarding, has it? |
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| 23:20.28 | ma3x | i mean how do i launch the window manager? |
| 23:20.33 | enouf | pothibo: online resizing is only supported through e2resize, or whatever, not resize2fs |
| 23:21.14 | nkuttler | ma3x: why do you want to do that? |
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| 23:21.27 | ma3x | nkuttler: i wanna launch gnome |
| 23:21.28 | ma3x | why not? |
| 23:21.35 | ma3x | i wanna have desktop env. |
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| 23:21.53 | hatter | ma3x, you would be better running a vnc server and tunneling to it through ssh |
| 23:21.59 | nkuttler | ma3x: that's really a messy idea. |
| 23:22.06 | nkuttler | ma3x: run gnome on your local box |
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| 23:22.22 | hatter | ma3x, vncserver is a fairly easy option |
| 23:22.36 | ma3x | I thought sshx = X and desktop manager |
| 23:22.50 | stew | enouf: resize2fs will grow online filesystems, just not shrink |
| 23:22.58 | ma3x | nkuttler: what package should i install for latex? there are so many |
| 23:23.29 | nkuttler | ma3x: i guess tetex-bin is a good start |
| 23:23.30 | enouf | stew: even / FS? |
| 23:23.43 | stew | enouf: yes |
| 23:24.06 | ma3x | nkuttler: i heard there was some program liek tomato or somethiing |
| 23:24.09 | ma3x | i forgot the name |
| 23:24.12 | stew | even while mounted rw |
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| 23:24.47 | ma3x | stew: how ya doing pal? |
| 23:25.18 | stew | i exclusively do ntsc |
| 23:25.33 | hatter | i exclusively do pal |
| 23:25.36 | enouf | stew: then i misunderstood what i thought i knew about the differences between ext2resize and resize2fs |
| 23:25.42 | ma3x | stew: may i know, are you a programmer or what's your field of expertise :p ? |
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| 23:26.37 | enouf | stew: any diff between the two if LVM is involved? |
| 23:26.54 | stew | enouf: actually i didn't know about ext2resize |
| 23:26.57 | enouf | (other than the no shrinking as you mentioned) |
| 23:27.05 | stew | enouf: i've only done resize2fs on lvm |
| 23:27.15 | enouf | stew: i see, ok .. |
| 23:27.37 | stew | ma3x: i do both linux sysadmin and programming. i find myself doing more sysadmin these days becuase all the programming jobs people want to give me are increasingly boring |
| 23:28.23 | enouf | stew: i have to ask, was / on LVM? thanks |
| 23:28.40 | ma3x | stew: what exactly you admin? network or backups? and do you find java boring? :p |
| 23:28.51 | ma3x | or which language do you program in? |
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| 23:29.12 | stew | enouf: yes, / on lvm |
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| 23:29.23 | enouf | stew: ok, thanks - good to know |
| 23:30.06 | jamon | admin work makes for more variety i find |
| 23:30.12 | ma3x | nkuttler: still there? |
| 23:30.37 | stew | ma3x: java isn't boring, but after doing lots of dynamic languages java starts to become quite tedious. i do a lot of java, also perl/python/php... |
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| 23:31.26 | ma3x | stew: i read right now java for dummies he he |
| 23:31.50 | ma3x | nkuttler: isn't latex supposed to have some kind of gui? |
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| 23:35.41 | hatter | i am finding the pppoeconf keepalive is quite fallible, what things can cause it not to know dsl is offline ? |
| 23:35.56 | muddd | weird, i can see a youtube video using my flashplayer v9 plugin but if i close the broswer and try to go back and see another video it says i need the plugin, and i have to reboot totally to get it to work again, loging out of x doesnt help, xdm restarting doesnt work... any ideas? |
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| 23:36.43 | cafuego | bitchslaps nagios |
| 23:36.48 | enouf | stew: i'm now trying to find from where ext2resize hails from (i mean, where is upstream), it's not in testing, and the same version is in stable, as is in unstable (go figure - the changelogs seem last entry was around 9/2006, ugh) .. and i imagine resize2fs upstream is from theo t'so himself, (e2fsprogs) no? |
| 23:37.09 | cafuego | enouf: resize2fs |
| 23:37.18 | cafuego | Um, yes, I mean :-) |
| 23:37.39 | enouf | cafuego: heh |
| 23:38.01 | cafuego | crosses fingers |
| 23:38.32 | enouf | cafuego: thanks for clearing that up for me :-O |
| 23:38.48 | cafuego | enouf: you are most welcome |
| 23:39.11 | enouf | me notes; multi=part questions are a PITA :-P |
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| 23:42.30 | enouf | yikes; #400797, #490958 |
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| 23:43.58 | cafuego | Yay, new replication setup works. |
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| 23:47.14 | bolt | attack! charge! |
| 23:47.21 | bolt | ... |
| 23:47.26 | bolt | <.< |
| 23:47.28 | bolt | >.> |
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| 23:48.30 | greggman | hello |
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| 23:49.11 | chomwitt | why the same dvd+rw in my one laptop lenny installation opens and in another seems empty? |
| 23:49.33 | cafuego | The other drive only uses dvd-rw? |
| 23:49.48 | rhineheart_m | can anyone give me an idea on how to migrate a debian server to another machine? |
| 23:50.09 | chomwitt | cafuego: mm.. one moment. i have to check. |
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| 23:50.18 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: Get the package list, install new amchione, rsync data. |
| 23:51.08 | ceil420 | is there a way to 'fix' this list? "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" |
| 23:51.10 | rhineheart_m | cafuego, thanks for that...is there a how to on that? |
| 23:51.25 | bruce | hi |
| 23:51.32 | ceil420 | i don't know what i uninstalled to get the list it's generating, but i'd like to keep bzip2, unzip, synaptic, wodem, etc |
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| 23:54.52 | hatter | rhineheart_m, google for tar entire system |
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| 23:55.08 | rhineheart_m | hatter, thank you. I wil |
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| 23:56.13 | themill | dpkg: tell ceil420 about unmarkauto |
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| 23:56.42 | ceil420 | cheers |
| 23:56.52 | themill | np |
| 23:57.30 | rhineheart_m | hatter, mm I'm still looking for a cloning app.. and how to's |
| 23:59.30 | hatter | rhineheart_m, tar is a way to clone, if you have somewhere to save to tar file |