| 00:00.20 | Roland- | helo, debian fails to detect my drive |
| 00:00.20 | Roland- | is there an netinstall cd for 5.0 ? |
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| 00:00.30 | iridos | If you don't have the status backups, run the find that dpkg gave you above... |
| 00:00.37 | iridos | Guerin, good going :) |
| 00:00.43 | Guerin | Roland-: welcome to our humble decade, o traveller from the future. |
| 00:00.55 | Roland- | I have ich9 |
| 00:01.11 | Roland- | I just don't get it |
| 00:01.14 | bhundven | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:01.42 | Roland- | aha |
| 00:01.45 | iridos | ha, probably he could tell us if they really implant RFID chips into everyones' backbone in a couple of years from now |
| 00:01.46 | Roland- | so I need 5.0 |
| 00:01.46 | Roland- | :) |
| 00:02.01 | Roland- | it's a damn sony vaio fw11s |
| 00:02.07 | Roland- | it has ich9 yes |
| 00:02.17 | Roland- | all distros detected id. debian FAILS |
| 00:02.27 | bhundven | Roland-: I have equipment w/ich9 here. the beta lenny disk works for me ;) |
| 00:02.36 | Roland- | ah yes, beta |
| 00:02.43 | smacnay | nfs went down - my ip address changed on the local lan and the server has the old ip set in its /etc/hosts - altering the server's /etc/hosts to show my new ip address on this computer should restore nfs exports, correct? |
| 00:03.04 | Roland- | well if that takes for me to have debian |
| 00:03.09 | Roland- | I guess I have to install. |
| 00:03.20 | Roland- | that ugly beta word |
| 00:03.54 | iridos | smacnay, ... |
| 00:04.15 | iridos | !wdyti smacnay |
| 00:04.15 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, smacnay? |
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| 00:05.05 | iridos | I'd say "yes" but it's a bit difficult without knowing your exact setup... |
| 00:05.10 | smacnay | iridos: did already - maybe I need to restart the nfs server... is just /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop/start on the server? |
| 00:05.11 | Roland- | any ways to optimize debian a little bit |
| 00:05.17 | Roland- | like for i686? :) |
| 00:05.23 | Miguelito | iridos , could you please tell me how to reinstall my apt-get ? please I'm so lammer in debian, need help... |
| 00:05.37 | bhundven | Roland-: the only thing that *needs* to be optimized is the kernel. |
| 00:05.48 | bhundven | it is the only thing that touches the hardware |
| 00:05.52 | iridos | Miguelito, remove the status directory as I told you and run the find dpkg gave you above |
| 00:05.56 | Roland- | I was going to test that google optimized kernel |
| 00:06.11 | Roland- | with prefetch thing |
| 00:06.18 | valdyn | Roland-: debian is optimised for 686 |
| 00:06.25 | Roland- | claims to load most things in ram |
| 00:06.29 | Miguelito | [root@SH-crew:/var/gnuworld]# rmdir /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 00:06.30 | Miguelito | rmdir: /var/lib/dpkg/status: No such file or directory |
| 00:06.31 | Roland- | which is good I have 4 gigs at 800 mghz |
| 00:06.32 | Miguelito | it's removed. |
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| 00:06.49 | Roland- | ram is cheap and fast |
| 00:07.03 | bhundven | Roland-: just use the debian kernel, and look into the 'prelink' manual |
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| 00:07.21 | Roland- | I need a new kernel anyway |
| 00:07.25 | Roland- | I have iwl5000 |
| 00:07.37 | Roland- | unless there is a way to make it work on 2.6 |
| 00:07.48 | bhundven | 2.6.27 has iwl5000 |
| 00:07.49 | Roland- | ah wait Im going for beta, must have 2.7 |
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| 00:08.08 | Roland- | beta must be nice :) |
| 00:08.15 | amphi | iwl5000 is an alias for iwlagn, no? |
| 00:08.18 | Roland- | how beta is it anyway ? |
| 00:08.34 | Roland- | time for me to reboot :) |
| 00:08.35 | Roland- | cya |
| 00:08.38 | iridos | oh, very beta... you just think of looking at it and it crashes... |
| 00:08.40 | bhundven | amphi: yes. iwlagn has support for both iwl5000 and iwl4965 |
| 00:08.42 | iridos | (just kidding) |
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| 00:09.38 | bhundven | I've actually been running linus's git kernel, and the only scary thing I've seen so far is that wacky e1000 issue early on in 2.6.27-pre |
| 00:09.56 | bhundven | s/pre/rc/ |
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| 00:10.35 | smacnay | what else needs to be done to "renew" an nfs export (other than restarting /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart)? |
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| 00:10.57 | bhundven | smacnay: updating your exports and restarting nfs-kernel-server |
| 00:11.04 | Alcap | hey there |
| 00:11.09 | bhundven | yo |
| 00:11.24 | Alcap | I'm having trouble installing debian with encrypted filesystems... |
| 00:11.26 | Alcap | can anyone help me? |
| 00:11.38 | bhundven | runs away from DM |
| 00:11.43 | iridos | MiGueLL_, you have a line from dpkg up there, that you just need to copy&paste - what MORE do you need? |
| 00:12.01 | iridos | smacnay, possibly restart portmapper/rpc |
| 00:12.03 | MiGueLL_ | iridos ops, my system is fatally ... look :) |
| 00:12.42 | iridos | smacnay, also, you want to test if you have access to those... each failing will ... |
| 00:12.50 | MiGueLL_ | [root@SH-crew:/var/gnuworld]# aptitude install |
| 00:12.50 | MiGueLL_ | E: Opening configuration file /usr/share/aptitude/aptitude-defaults - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:12.50 | MiGueLL_ | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 00:12.50 | MiGueLL_ | E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 00:13.00 | MiGueLL_ | uhm, again this flood... |
| 00:13.04 | bhundven | don't flood |
| 00:13.07 | bhundven | ;) |
| 00:13.23 | MiGueLL_ | sorry Bhaal but Debian kills me :) |
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| 00:16.19 | mercutio22 | hi, I had several problems and lost my partition table. recovered it with testdisk. I can boot into ubuntu but not into windows. Gparted displays one big unallocated space spanning all my disk and says: can't have a partition outside the disk! can someone help me fix these errors? |
| 00:17.00 | Alcap | hey there |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | this is not #ubuntu or ##windows |
| 00:17.03 | Alcap | I'm having trouble installing debian with encrypted filesystems... |
| 00:17.05 | Alcap | can anyone help me? |
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| 00:19.53 | bhundven | Alcap: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
| 00:20.04 | bhundven | <3 google |
| 00:20.29 | bhundven | thump thump...thump thump |
| 00:21.04 | Alcap | I've seen that... |
| 00:21.17 | Alcap | I'm trying to install debian and encrypt the system right now |
| 00:21.17 | iridos | !tell MiGueLL_ -about paste |
| 00:21.28 | mercutio22 | abrotman, I know, but you can help right? |
| 00:21.42 | abrotman | no, ask ##windows or #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 00:22.01 | Alcap | the guide assumes that I've already have the system installed |
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| 00:22.31 | mercutio22 | abrotman, thank you. I did already |
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| 00:22.46 | abrotman | then wait ... you're offtopic here |
| 00:23.41 | mercutio22 | ok ok, I am gone |
| 00:23.45 | bhundven | Alcap: when the partitioner comes up, you should have options for guided partitioning. Making an encrypted root should be in there somewhere. I don't mess with DM, and probably won't be able to help. If no one else answers, then you might want to look on the debian mailing list or ask later. |
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| 00:24.23 | Alcap | I was using manual... I'm going to try your way |
| 00:24.47 | iridos | Alcap, do you want to have the whole system on an encrypted disk? If yes - why on earth would anyone want that? |
| 00:24.56 | StatusQuote | well, a web search told me how to fix my problem.. had to delete ~/.gnome2/session and let it generate a new one. |
| 00:25.23 | Alcap | iridos: because if someone steals my laptop they can't read the data I have in it |
| 00:25.49 | iridos | well, so they can't if only /home is encrypted |
| 00:26.03 | Alcap | nop |
| 00:26.09 | Alcap | what about the stuff in /tmp? |
| 00:26.17 | cafuego | What is the standard dpkg tool to compare package versions? |
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| 00:26.18 | Alcap | and other stuff that I don't know about xD? |
| 00:26.23 | iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:26.33 | teratoma_ | iridos: it is pretty easy to encrypt your whole machine during debian installer |
| 00:26.40 | Roland- | hey, I installed lenny and I have the 2.6 kernel how come? |
| 00:26.53 | cafuego | Roland-: What were you expecting? |
| 00:27.04 | bhundven | heh, 2.2? |
| 00:27.24 | bhundven | (yea, some still use it...) |
| 00:27.28 | iridos | it's just that I don't see a big benefit in encrypting the whole system, but lots of additional trouble if you run into harddisk-failures, corrupted data due to a crash etc. |
| 00:27.34 | Roland- | I was expectig 2.7 |
| 00:27.41 | bhundven | there isn't a 2.7 |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | there is no 2.7.x kernel |
| 00:27.45 | cafuego | still uses 2.0, but that doesn't mean i expect it in lenny. |
| 00:27.47 | bhundven | and probably won't be for a very long time |
| 00:28.02 | Alcap | iridos, I think there's other stuff that can compromise the system |
| 00:28.08 | Alcap | even swap can be read |
| 00:28.22 | Roland- | ah no 2.7 that is great so I can kiss wireless goodbye. |
| 00:28.26 | iridos | abrotman, but he's the guy from the future, who's looking for a 5.0 netinstall... |
| 00:28.36 | bhundven | oi. |
| 00:28.41 | teratoma_ | i never heard of 2.7 |
| 00:28.46 | cafuego | Roland-: Most wireless stuff works fine on 2.6 kernels. Did you mean 2.6.27 maybe? |
| 00:28.47 | teratoma_ | it must be really cool |
| 00:28.49 | Roland- | 2.6.7 sorry |
| 00:28.50 | abrotman | Roland-: you mean 2.6.27 ? |
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| 00:29.00 | Roland- | yes that was a typo |
| 00:29.02 | iridos | probably 2.7 is pretty old there in 2025 |
| 00:29.13 | bhundven | rofl |
| 00:29.25 | cafuego | Roland-: There is nothing stopping you from installing a 2.6.27 kernel on lenny. |
| 00:29.31 | Roland- | well I need the iwl5000 driver |
| 00:29.54 | abrotman | Roland-: compile it yoursel |
| 00:29.55 | abrotman | f |
| 00:30.08 | cafuego | with a bit of luck i'll neeed it too, next week |
| 00:30.15 | bhundven | 2.6.27.6 on kernel.org should have iwl5000 (in the iwlagn driver). |
| 00:30.26 | Roland- | yes I am compiling now |
| 00:30.28 | bhundven | I know. I use this driver. |
| 00:30.30 | bhundven | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.33 | bhundven | -J |
| 00:30.41 | Roland- | 2.6.27 is out? 2 dats ago 2.6.27.5 was |
| 00:30.55 | bhundven | points at kernel.org |
| 00:31.08 | Roland- | yes say that :) |
| 00:31.09 | godling | dereferences bhundven |
| 00:31.15 | bhundven | heheh |
| 00:31.39 | godling | 2.6.27.6, Roland- |
| 00:31.52 | Roland- | yes must of been released very soon |
| 00:32.07 | [0xDEADBEEF] | 2008-11-13 18:42 UTC |
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| 00:32.42 | godling | Roland-: Not very long ago at all, no. |
| 00:32.52 | godling | haha, as opposed to 2.2.26 |
| 00:32.54 | godling | wow |
| 00:33.08 | godling | 2004-02-25 |
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| 00:33.33 | iridos | pretty stable, the 2.2 branch |
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| 00:34.02 | godling | iridos: I wonder what it does not support, though. |
| 00:34.05 | iridos | well, it's more amazing that the 2.4 branch is still so active |
| 00:34.15 | godling | I use 2.4 on a few of my machines. |
| 00:34.27 | bhundven | 2.4 is great on embedded machines. |
| 00:34.44 | bhundven | routers and firewalls and such |
| 00:34.46 | godling | bhundven: one of my machines is a 486. :) |
| 00:34.51 | bhundven | those too |
| 00:35.05 | godling | It's awesome with 16MB of RAM. |
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| 00:35.45 | themill | cafuego: dpkg --compare-versions |
| 00:36.19 | StatusQuote | sorry for being so clueless, all. gnome session management is a deeper topic than I had guessed. |
| 00:36.22 | cafuego | themill: yeah found it. I seem to get ass-about results. Does i exit with non-zero status if the comparison evaluates to false? |
| 00:36.24 | bhundven | godling: using the wolk series? |
| 00:36.36 | Roland- | yes yes yes gcc 4.3.2 yes yes |
| 00:36.55 | cafuego | themill: nm, yes it does |
| 00:37.08 | themill | cafuego: exit is 0 if true. |
| 00:37.32 | themill | cafuego: i.e. you make an assertion that you could use in a shell script |
| 00:38.12 | bhundven | if [ "$?" -ne "0"]; then echo "Crap, the last command failed!"; fi |
| 00:38.31 | cafuego | themill: yeah. seems like apt-get source on etch is retarded then |
| 00:38.34 | Roland- | is there a way to add at boot that fancy splash image that the installer has? the black one with red ? I don't think it's grub |
| 00:38.41 | themill | cafuego: in what way? |
| 00:39.09 | cafuego | themill: It has a choice between 5.0.67-d7-ourdelta44 and 5.0.32-7etch8 and picks 5.0.32-7etch8 |
| 00:39.16 | godling | bhundven: I don't think so. |
| 00:39.56 | cafuego | themill: it does correctly pick the 5.0.67-d7-ourdelta44 *binary* packages |
| 00:40.00 | godling | bhundven: ...considering I had to Google WOLK. :) |
| 00:40.02 | themill | cafuego: apt-get source is often problematic |
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| 00:40.31 | Roland- | does prelink really work ? |
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| 00:41.06 | godling | bhundven: the 486 is running a pretty vanilla 2.4, I think, with all the router stuff enabled and not much else (I use the machine for a router). |
| 00:41.08 | themill | cafuego: I presume you have deb-src lines for your local repo |
| 00:41.34 | SR__ | has implemented a devious technical countermeasure for the next time her sister annoys her... |
| 00:41.37 | cafuego | themill: Yup. And verified that apt-get source reads the Sources file |
| 00:41.39 | SR__ | at the proverbial "flick of a switch" I can transparently redirect all youtube videos to one by a certain Mr Rick Astley |
| 00:42.06 | godling | I don't understand why everybody hates that video. |
| 00:42.24 | SR__ | I don't think it's hate, it's indifference |
| 00:42.30 | SR__ | it's just naff :P |
| 00:42.32 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 00:42.42 | SR__ | heh |
| 00:43.26 | themill | cafuego: odd. It does tend to be a pain, that's for sure. I often use dget if I want a specific version |
| 00:43.34 | iridos | thinks someone just pointed themill towards #debian-offtopic years ago and he just kept the position |
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| 00:43.59 | godling | themill: Do you run the channel? |
| 00:44.17 | cafuego | themill: yeah. I'll just have to throw my hands in the air and blame apt-get; I have another user who can replicate the exact bad behaviour. |
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| 00:44.43 | godling | My ISP obviously doesn't use Debian. |
| 00:44.44 | cafuego | I just hope lenny is better; once we get the repo up. |
| 00:45.01 | godling | themill: Did you get my question? |
| 00:45.36 | iridos | SR__, check if you're violatiog the convention of Geneva with this before you try it, though... |
| 00:45.38 | themill | cafuego: If the Sources files have release info in them, then I have been able to request specific versions using -t, I think... it's a while ago though) |
| 00:47.02 | SR__ | iridos: heh |
| 00:47.03 | cafuego | themill: Hmm... doesn't look like it. let me have a google. |
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| 00:47.41 | iridos | $ grep themill.*points.*towards.*offtopic FreeNode-#debian.log | awk '{printf "%s ",$1}';echo |
| 00:47.45 | themill | cafuego: I remember it was picky though and would just give you whatever version it felt like if it couldn't understand what you had specified. |
| 00:47.47 | iridos | Jul Jul Jul Oct Nov |
| 00:47.52 | iridos | :) |
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| 00:49.55 | godling | You know, all themill had to do was say yes or no to set up my pun. :( |
| 00:50.30 | cafuego | themill: Hmm. dget seems to think there's no filename for my lcoal version - that might have soemthing to do with it |
| 00:50.37 | iridos | godling, he's too smart for you :) |
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| 00:50.58 | bhundven | godling: puns are punny |
| 00:51.35 | cafuego | though they are in the sources file |
| 00:51.41 | cafuego | goes cross-eyed |
| 00:51.49 | iridos | SR__, but it's ok if you're from the US and are in any other place in the world than the US, like, e.g. guantanamo |
| 00:51.53 | StatusQuote | and after a while they degenerate into a puny form of humor :) |
| 00:51.55 | godling | iridos: I figured. :( |
| 00:52.03 | themill | cafuego: you point dget at the actual URL for the dsc |
| 00:52.15 | godling | iridos: Or perhaps just humorless. |
| 00:52.26 | seed__ | I have some trouble when installing xen, I get a kernel panic with "could not set up DM0 on guest system" when booting with xen kernel, can anyone help? |
| 00:52.34 | cafuego | themill: yes, but the alternative is packagename=version |
| 00:52.35 | themill | dpkg dbugs 413021 |
| 00:52.36 | godling | "We in #debian do not possess a sense of humor we are aware of." |
| 00:52.38 | dpkg | #413021:N[apt] /usr/bin/apt-get: "apt-get source package" doesn't fetch the most recent available version (); Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:24:01 UTC [] |
| 00:52.43 | themill | cafuego: ^^ |
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| 00:53.24 | cafuego | themill: Also not fixed in Ubuntu Insipid, from the looks of things. I need to twist arms to have aptitude also handle soruce I guess. |
| 00:53.40 | themill | godling, iridos, bhundven: seriously, we have #debian-offtopic for chatter; this channel is for support and it's much easier for those who are involved in the support bit if we all stick with that separation. |
| 00:53.51 | StatusQuote | godling, a paraphrase of Men In Black, iirc? |
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| 00:54.18 | SR__ | iridos: |
| 00:54.20 | SR__ | heh |
| 00:54.38 | SR__ | iridos: besides, The Goons - Walking Backwards for Christmas is much more painful to listen to |
| 00:54.50 | SR__ | (no, really, go look on youtube and see if you can last the full 3 and a half minutes...) |
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| 00:56.33 | godling | themill: alrighty then |
| 00:57.03 | iridos | barely, though |
| 00:57.23 | SR__ | iridos: hmm? |
| 00:57.42 | iridos | SR__, I did... ask me in a month for lasting damages |
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| 01:09.13 | iridos | good that we're not offtopic anymore, when the channel's so busy :) |
| 01:09.56 | slim_ | i'm installed debian to work as mediacenter, what is services i can remove from startup to save some resources, ? |
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| 01:12.10 | minus198 | Hi.. Is it just me, or is it friggin annoying with all these Meta-packages. I mean: Why would I need xsane? I don't have a scanner. So I removed it, which removed "gnome-office". And now apt says that there are alot of "autoremovable" programs. |
| 01:12.16 | minus198 | I mean, it's irritating. |
| 01:12.50 | iridos | well... maybe... |
| 01:12.58 | iridos | come up with something that works better, though? |
| 01:13.30 | iridos | slim_, just go through them and look what you don't need... how can we tell you what that should be :) |
| 01:13.32 | minus198 | Metapackages that doesn't work with "dependensys"... |
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| 01:14.59 | dondelelcaro | minus198: so don't install the gnome-office suite. |
| 01:15.07 | minus198 | AND WTF IS THIS?! It installes swfdec-flashplayer by default! |
| 01:15.11 | slim_ | iridos, because i'm not experts with linux services, and because the system will be used only as mediacenter then no need for security, log ...etc, only i need something that can make system running |
| 01:15.27 | dondelelcaro | minus198: and mark anything that gnome-office would install that you actually want installed as manually installed. |
| 01:15.29 | iridos | what's a "mediacenter" anyways |
| 01:15.29 | minus198 | And if I remove it: I the whole: gnome-desktop is removed.. |
| 01:15.36 | dondelelcaro | minus198: it's not like you have to *use* meta packages. |
| 01:15.40 | slim_ | iridos, is there command to list startup applications ? |
| 01:15.52 | minus198 | dondelelcaro; They where automagically installed when I installed "gnome" |
| 01:16.01 | dondelelcaro | minus198: they're there for convenience when you don't know what you want. If you do know what you want, then don't install metapackages. |
| 01:16.07 | iridos | slim_, everything that is started is started from /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:16.16 | dondelelcaro | minus198: sure, because they're part of a fully functional gnome desktop |
| 01:16.31 | slim_ | iridos, is one application to play audio, video, sat receiver |
| 01:16.53 | minus198 | dondelelcaro; It's fully functional without the swfdec-flashplayer to,, |
| 01:17.07 | dondelelcaro | minus198: it doesn't play flash in the browser, so no, it wouldn't be. |
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| 01:18.00 | dondelelcaro | (or in this case, flash in nautilus) |
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| 01:19.30 | slim_ | iridos, this is a list for the services i fear to remove something that is needed by the system, http://phpfi.com/378143 |
| 01:20.45 | iridos | slim_, that's your complete init.d directory... |
| 01:21.13 | slim_ | yes, i don't know a command to list a running services |
| 01:21.27 | slim_ | i only know ps |
| 01:21.41 | dondelelcaro | slim_: netstat -plunt; will tell you what is running and listening on TCP ports. |
| 01:22.12 | iridos | slim_, I dont see any things you should obviously remove there |
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| 01:22.35 | Xyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | Xyar: wrong channel |
| 01:22.51 | iridos | although there are some that will depend on your setup and some that I can't place |
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| 01:23.24 | iridos | slim_, essentially it's you who must go through this if you really think you need to... |
| 01:23.40 | iridos | you can ask specific questions about single services in here if you like |
| 01:24.12 | slim_ | yes, iridos i will look into running services and if i don't understand any i will ask |
| 01:24.22 | slim_ | thanks iridos , dondelelcaro |
| 01:25.19 | iridos | slim_, but do you really need to? I mean what is your problem with the currently running services? |
| 01:25.59 | slim_ | system have only 512 RAM and while playing video i notice that RAM become FULL |
| 01:26.14 | iridos | slim_, how do you notice that |
| 01:26.39 | iridos | !free ram |
| 01:26.39 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 01:26.44 | slim_ | iridos, there is a plugin in the application i use see system info |
| 01:27.16 | iridos | memory will always be filled |
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| 01:28.00 | slim_ | if this then no problem , because i don't understand memory managment , and how system handle it |
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| 01:30.16 | dondelelcaro | slim_: there's no point in having ram that is not in use |
| 01:30.17 | slim_ | iridos, i have another question related to Suspend to ram, because i try using suspend to ram, it suspend but don't back to origional state is power supply have a role in this ? |
| 01:30.48 | slim_ | yes, dondelelcaro i was understand wrong if ram full then maybe application hang |
| 01:30.56 | dondelelcaro | slim_: the system uses all of the ram that it can; stuff that's being used for caches and buffers can be trivially freed for use by applications, because it can be re-read from disk |
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| 01:31.27 | dondelelcaro | slim_: if you run out of ram, you'll hit the OOM killer, which will try to free memory. [You also may become swap-bound, which is also bad, but not fatal.] |
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| 01:33.36 | cmdln | there is no way with acls to have a default mask that diferentiates between file and directory creation right? |
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| 01:37.33 | iridos | slim_, well, you can't switch off power completely if you suspend to ram - the ram still needs electricity to keep the contents of the memory |
| 01:38.11 | amphi | swapwake is a nice factoid |
| 01:38.47 | slim_ | yes, iridos i mean something different that i can suspend but when wake up i can see anything on monitor, only motherboard work again without able to see anything on the screen |
| 01:39.43 | slim_ | amphi, is there documentation i can read about it ? |
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| 01:47.53 | Tramp | !tell slim_ about suspend troubleshooting |
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| 01:48.48 | slim_ | thanks Tramp |
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| 01:53.43 | Kraftzwerk | what conditions have to be met for a encFS directory to be accessible over samba? |
| 01:54.26 | Kraftzwerk | is confused by the layer of user and group access rights |
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| 02:08.14 | rainy-day | hi where can I find python-twisted package for Sarge (3.1), for ARM architecture? top hit in google gives me error, other hits don't have it |
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| 02:11.09 | rgl | di |
| 02:11.17 | rgl | hi |
| 02:12.26 | iridos | !archives |
| 02:12.26 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 02:12.54 | iridos | rainy-day, oh, but sarge is still old-stable |
| 02:13.35 | iridos | but http://archive.debian.org/debian/ has a sarge repro |
| 02:13.59 | dmoerner | rainy-day, http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/twisted/python-twisted_1.3.0-8_all.deb |
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| 02:14.35 | Roland- | hey, how can I install flash player non free for iceweasel ? |
| 02:15.05 | dmoerner | Roland-, on what version of Debian? |
| 02:15.07 | abrotman | !tell Roland- about adobe flash |
| 02:15.08 | rainy-day | dmoerner, iridios: thanks |
| 02:16.07 | Roland- | ok now tell me about backports |
| 02:16.15 | Roland- | !tell Roland- about backports |
| 02:17.06 | Roland- | wait im using lenny |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | !tell Roland- about selftell |
| 02:17.19 | abrotman | !tell Roland- about dmm |
| 02:17.24 | dmoerner | !+tell Roland- -about adobe flash testing |
| 02:17.26 | dpkg | told Roland- about adobe flash testing. |
| 02:17.43 | dmoerner | attacked by the bot |
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| 02:18.43 | iridos | dmoerner, you like the + and - keys on your kbd, now don't you :) |
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| 02:19.23 | iridos | dmoerner, slightly starts to look like code written in brainfuck |
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| 02:20.13 | Roland- | aparently I have some fonts problem |
| 02:20.48 | Roland- | some fonts on some websites are not displayed |
| 02:22.20 | iridos | would like to see the resulting dialogues if dpkg would run eliza on all lines that don't contain keywords |
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| 02:24.44 | oOarthurOo | 'lo again. I am back and still trying to get rhythmbox to recognize this creative muvo txfm. Everything I've read online suggests it is supported. I switched into windows and downloaded a restore program that reformats the disk according to original manufacturing. Thus, I turn to looking at my rb configuration. Perhaps I am missing a library to access these kinds of devices. Does anyone know what libraries are required to acces |
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| 02:27.33 | Doonz | Hey Can someone help me with gproftpd. When i try starting it up after installing through synaptic it gives me this error. COuld not launch menu item. Details: Failed to execute child process "su-to-root"(No such file or directory) |
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| 02:31.08 | Doonz | Hey Can someone help me with gproftpd. When i try starting it up after installing through synaptic it gives me this error. COuld not launchmenu item. Details: Failed to execute child process "su-to-root"(No such file or directory) |
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| 02:32.03 | iridos | we read that 4 minutes ago |
| 02:32.25 | Doonz | uh huh |
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| 02:32.49 | iridos | search for it, perhaps |
| 02:32.51 | iridos | !search |
| 02:32.51 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 02:33.05 | iridos | it's in package "menu" |
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| 02:33.16 | Doonz | did you even read what i wrote? |
| 02:33.39 | iridos | yes |
| 02:33.49 | iridos | did YOU read what *I* wrote? |
| 02:34.02 | Doonz | your telling me to install the program through a package manager wich i did |
| 02:34.12 | Doonz | but when i goto run the program it gives me that error |
| 02:34.20 | iridos | I'm telling you to install the package which contains su-to-root |
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| 02:34.58 | abrotman | Doonz: which version of debian ? |
| 02:35.10 | Doonz | that im not even sure |
| 02:35.11 | iridos | and if that was the problem, file a bug report... then a dependency is missing |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | Doonz: uname -a .. show us the output |
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| 02:37.22 | Doonz | localhost:~# uname -a |
| 02:37.22 | Doonz | Linux localhost 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 15:52:18 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:37.33 | abrotman | Doonz: and how did you install it ? |
| 02:37.43 | Doonz | its a rackshack server |
| 02:37.49 | Doonz | they did the install |
| 02:38.20 | Doonz | im just look to put on a very simple ftp server but im not very skilled at anything but gui style |
| 02:38.31 | Roland- | could somebody that uses gnome check all installed fomts packages and tell me about it? ;P |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | it's a headless server .. and you need gproftpd ? |
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| 02:39.06 | Doonz | yeah i set up remote desktop |
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| 02:41.12 | cockroach | hey. anyone using xorg from experimental? it seems not to like my input devices (kbd/mouse) anymore. any ideas? |
| 02:41.41 | iridos | when I had that with lenny, the kbd/mouse packages were just not installed |
| 02:41.51 | cockroach | interesting. lemme check |
| 02:42.11 | cast | anyone know of any anonymous irc-like networks? was looking around last night, iip is dead :<, gnunet and the other developing networks haven't got so far along as providing decent chat functionality |
| 02:42.21 | iridos | but some other guy apparently had a different problem with the same symptom |
| 02:42.30 | cockroach | iridos: nah, they're here... |
| 02:42.46 | cockroach | any idea what the other guy's solution was? |
| 02:42.49 | iridos | well, was worth a try |
| 02:42.53 | oOarthurOo | I have tested my setup with another mp3 player, some generic mtp device and it shows up fine. I have also tested it with an ipod shuffle, which also shows up fine. |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | oOarthurOo: it's possible that the version you're using doesn't support it, but it might in a later version |
| 02:43.25 | cast | oh...wrong channel, thought i was in crypto :) |
| 02:43.34 | cockroach | :) |
| 02:44.06 | iridos | xserver-xorg-input-kbd? |
| 02:44.23 | cockroach | iridos: yes, 1:1.3.1-2 |
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| 02:44.59 | oOarthurOo | abrotman: This disk has a very funny partition arrangment, unlike anything I've been able to discover elsewhere, online or in my other devices. I feel like it isn't a problem with RB or Lenny. It is perhaps a result of the newer firmware on this device. Or the funny partition arrangment. If it's a firmware issue then I'll just throw it out. But I'd like to eliminate the possibility that it's just a messed up PT. |
| 02:45.30 | iridos | no, can't find it in my backlog either |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | PT? |
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| 02:45.49 | cockroach | iridos: too bad. thanks for checking |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | oOarthurOo: does 'dmesg' say anything when you plug it in ? |
| 02:46.08 | oOarthurOo | Partition table. For example, when I run fdisk /dev/sdc it warns me that the sector size is 2048, not 512. But it is 512 |
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| 02:46.37 | iridos | cockroach, did you already look in the xorg logfile (and in /var/log/messages and demesg) |
| 02:46.38 | Kraftzwerk | abrotman: do you have any experience in sharing encFS folders over samba? |
| 02:46.44 | oOarthurOo | So the firmware is misreporting the disk size... I would guess. dmesg is clean, nothing about write protect being enabled or HPA sectors. |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | nope |
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| 02:46.50 | Kraftzwerk | ok, nvm |
| 02:47.00 | iridos | ok, gone |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | Kraftzwerk: nope .. but i'd imagine you mount it like normal and share it via samba |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | there is a #rhythmbox on irc.gnome.org .. but not many people there |
| 02:47.41 | Kraftzwerk | somewhere in between FUSE is lurking around |
| 02:47.54 | cockroach | iridos: yes, so far nothing spectacular in there. i also tried with various config files (some with full entries for everything, some with just a few essential things, even w/o a config file at all) - no luck |
| 02:48.13 | smacnay | on a listening computer that receives an nfs share, how does one "restart" the listening computer for nfs (if there has been a change to the nfs server) - /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart |
| 02:48.29 | cockroach | iridos: oh, just found something |
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| 02:50.34 | cockroach | woohoo, works again. apparently i suck at parsing logs :) |
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| 02:51.43 | oOarthurOo | Here is my fdisk -l for /dev/sdc ... it looks very strange to me. Below it you will find dmesg output from a removal insertion http://pastebin.com/d74fa71fa |
| 02:51.51 | oOarthurOo | I think I'm gonna try and find an old firmware for this thing. |
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| 02:52.52 | linuxguy | hi thee.......i understand theres been a lot of progress recently to Lenny.....and things have changed with the graphics cards installs.....can someone point me to one for either 4.03 or 4.04 please? |
| 02:53.41 | abrotman | 4.0 is etch |
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| 02:54.47 | BCM43 | really neb question? how do you install a .deb? |
| 02:55.12 | BCM43 | **really noob question, how do you install a .deb? |
| 02:55.20 | cockroach | BCM43: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 02:55.56 | BCM43 | thanks |
| 02:56.05 | cockroach | you're welcome |
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| 03:09.23 | cockroach__ | err. i'm trying to connect with some other client from my home ip but it seems i'm banned. who do i contact about that? |
| 03:09.24 | scribeskul | Hey guys, having a litte trouble. I have 'etch' installed and running, but I am recieving errors with apt-get update... the ip address is invalid..seems like a mirro config error. I haven't changed anything, this is a very basic install. I was trying to get the latest flash player installed. Any help would be awesome! |
| 03:09.44 | cockroach__ | (that is, somebody who once had that ip is banned) |
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| 03:12.08 | Arafangion | cockroach__: This is the unfortunate reality of scumbags making life more difficult for the rest of us. :( |
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| 03:13.31 | cockroach__ | Arafangion: indeed it is. shouldn't identifying with nickserv help prevent that? |
| 03:13.57 | Arafangion | cockroach__: The best solution would be the apply for a cloak. |
| 03:13.59 | scribeskul | How about a different question haha: Does anyone know how to get Flash 9 on Debian etch through package management? |
| 03:14.08 | cockroach__ | Arafangion: cloak? |
| 03:14.32 | Arafangion | cockroach__: The irc network will then mask your IP address. |
| 03:15.03 | cockroach__ | Arafangion: oh, sounds fancy, never heard of that. how would i do such a thing? |
| 03:15.13 | abrotman | cockroach__: which IP ? |
| 03:15.34 | Arafangion | cockroach__: Frankly I'm not too sure, just a moment. :) abrotman is much more qualified to help you with the root issue, though. |
| 03:15.45 | cockroach__ | abrotman: 80.219.227.197 |
| 03:16.11 | cockroach__ | abrotman: it's a dynamic one, though... |
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| 03:16.33 | linuxguy | seems like debian needs to get their act together there......no or very little support given for nvidia or ati drivers.......its supposed to be a free op system....but going through instaling the drivers is a nitemare!!...........BUT Im all in favor of giving Leny ago......to me theres no point me me asking a question earlier reagrding an ati driver insatll and not seeing a useable reply is there? |
| 03:17.09 | abrotman | cockroach__: that IP isn't banned that I see |
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| 03:17.51 | Arafangion | Hmm. abrotman If I read freenode's faq correctly, does identifying to nickserv set up cloaks automatically now? |
| 03:18.12 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 03:18.23 | abrotman | you don't have one |
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| 03:19.08 | cockroach__ | abrotman: hrm. could it be some combination of other things (user name, domain name, ...)? |
| 03:19.08 | scribeskul | Is there anyone running Debian etch who could point me in the right direction when using aptitude, apt-get, or synaptic... I seem to be getting continuos errors when using any of them... looks like invalid mirrors, or something similar. |
| 03:19.08 | Arafangion | The cloak must require nickserv identification (Which makes sense), but still need to be explicitly turned on. |
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| 03:19.08 | abrotman | cockroach__: could be .. you can '/mode #debian +b' to see the bans |
| 03:19.08 | cast | linuxguy: yes, a free operating system, as soon as you put nvidia drivers on it its not a free operating system. personally i dont think there should be any such support for nvidia.com drivers, but meh, compromises, [like non-free] |
| 03:19.16 | BCM43 | Arafangion: what are the errors? |
| 03:19.33 | BCM43 | scribeskul: ^ |
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| 03:20.21 | linuxguy | cast.....ok ok......so why can many other distros work with both ati and nvidia drivers??.....do they have a problem solely with debian and not its derivatives? |
| 03:20.42 | cockroach__ | abrotman: "#debian *!?=*cock*@* calkins.freenode.net 1208490350" maybe? :) |
| 03:20.43 | scribeskul | BCM43: Here's Synaptic's error -- W: Couldn't stat source package list .. yadda.. // apt-get update gives me invalid ip errors, and aptitude tells me to run apt-get update |
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| 03:21.21 | cast | linuxguy: debian works with. do you mean, those distros have integrated the closed source drivers in moreso than debian has? |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | cockroach__: i suppose .. pick a better username |
| 03:21.45 | BCM43 | scribeskul: what are your reposotories? |
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| 03:21.53 | cockroach | ha, indeed :) |
| 03:22.18 | cockroach__ | reminds me of icq "back then". i used to appear as " roach" :) |
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| 03:22.54 | cockroach | don't need the old me anymore, i guess |
| 03:23.23 | scribeskul | BMC43: I have the CDROM, ftp.us.debian.org, Debian 3.1 "Sarge" (No clue why thats in there), http://security.debian.org ; Those are in synaptic. As for aptitude and apt-get, is synaptic just a front end for those, or is it a completely seperate entity? |
| 03:23.37 | abrotman | scribeskul: sarge has been moved to archive.debian.org |
| 03:23.39 | linuxguy | cast....what i mean is this a lot of debian distros tell you that thers is a better driver available....it asks you if you want to insatll it and get a crap screen and no glx or screensavers....or you install it and you get 3d graphics, compiz etz etc.....whey is it so different there?.....if they can do it so can debian |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | not really |
| 03:24.11 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 03:24.11 | dpkg | it has been said that dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 03:24.38 | cast | linuxguy: there is only *one* debian distro. it's called "Debian". |
| 03:24.45 | BCM43 | scribeskul: run cat /etc/apt/source.list |
| 03:25.32 | Arafangion | linuxguy: There are a number of debian-derived distributions, though - those are NOT "Debian". |
| 03:25.34 | linuxguy | cast....what about the others based on debian......if they can pride the drivers......why cant debian?? |
| 03:25.42 | scribeskul | BCM43: No such file or directory |
| 03:26.00 | cast | linuxguy: those distros that have such support for proprietary drivers are exactly that, including proprietary software in their installs. debian doesn't do that. debian aims to be a free operating system, you can't have that when you have chunks of non-free in it |
| 03:26.11 | scribeskul | bcm43: SOURCES.LIST... AHH.. HOLD ON |
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| 03:26.38 | abrotman | scribeskul: sarge has been moved to archive.debian.org |
| 03:26.46 | linuxguy | cast....ok so do you see the dirction to go with then? |
| 03:27.05 | paulx | Hi there, anybody knows a software of simulation in linux?...I need work with the program arena |
| 03:27.09 | abrotman | nvidia makes open source drivers! |
| 03:27.12 | scribeskul | abrotman: is this why I am recieving errors...what file do I change the mirror in, sources.list? |
| 03:27.24 | abrotman | scribeskul: there's a readme at archive.debian.org |
| 03:27.33 | scribeskul | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:27.34 | abrotman | paulx: simulation ? |
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| 03:28.39 | paulx | abrotman: Look please http://www.programasde.com/wp-content/descargar-programa-promodel.JPG |
| 03:28.53 | BCM43 | scribeskul: yes, sorry |
| 03:28.54 | abrotman | oh .. like blender |
| 03:28.59 | paulx | I need a simulation of a industrial process |
| 03:29.01 | abrotman | paulx: blender.org ? |
| 03:29.05 | abrotman | oh .. that i have no idea |
| 03:29.45 | cast | paulx: chemical? heat? fluid? economic? there are many kinds of simulation |
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| 03:30.24 | paulx | cast maybe of sodas |
| 03:30.56 | paulx | the programs in W$ are promodel and arena |
| 03:31.08 | scribeskul | BCM43: So all three utilities use the same mirror list and are, essentially,, interchangable? (It works now after changing the mirror in synaptic. thanks both of you!! abrotman, BCM43) |
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| 03:31.12 | paulx | But I Use Only Linux |
| 03:31.32 | BCM43 | scribeskul: you're welcome |
| 03:31.35 | cast | paulx: so do they release *nix versions? |
| 03:32.11 | cast | paulx: one can often run windows under virtualization, and get around it that way, or find different programs to achieve your end. |
| 03:32.50 | paulx | I dont want run w$ |
| 03:33.13 | cockroach | paulx: tried wine? |
| 03:33.26 | cast | wines a good idea :) |
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| 03:33.39 | cockroach | :) |
| 03:33.54 | Arafangion | is impressed that wine even works, let alone works well. |
| 03:33.59 | cast | some of these programs have annoying requirements for dongles which really screws one up |
| 03:34.06 | cast | curses such programs |
| 03:34.07 | scribeskul | BCM43: If I could bother you one last time, is it necessary to use apt-get update, or can I use a GNOME apt (like synaptic) to update? In other words, does apt-get update update things that can't be updated through the GUI |
| 03:34.12 | paulx | mmmm ok, But I want a free software |
| 03:34.20 | cast | paulx: then go find one. |
| 03:34.28 | Arafangion | paulx: What are your requirements? |
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| 03:35.01 | cast | paulx: we're debian peoples, not industrial process modelling peoples, google would be much more useful |
| 03:35.04 | Arafangion | paulx: As you get to increasonly specialised software, you might not have much choice, except to pay, or write your own. |
| 03:35.10 | abrotman | or ask ##linux |
| 03:35.51 | paulx | Ok I dont have other option |
| 03:35.55 | paulx | thanks |
| 03:36.28 | alvarezp | What can I use to get all the packages installed, but instead of a list, shown in dependency trees? |
| 03:36.39 | cockroach | btw, before i go completely nuts here, is anyone aware of a reason why ffmpeg might be ignoring my "bit rate" parameter? i can set it to pretty much anything, the output file will always be of the exact same size... |
| 03:36.44 | cast | paulx: if you're a student trying to write a replacement could be very useful |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | alvarezp: i think apt-cache has dotty output |
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| 03:37.16 | GhostlyDeath | How can I see if I'm using ALSA? |
| 03:37.58 | alvarezp | abrotman, apt-cache would give me repo-available packages instead of only installed ones, right? |
| 03:38.09 | BCM43 | scribeskul: not sure, sorry |
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| 03:38.19 | abrotman | right .. but you could adapt .. i don't know any tool that directly does what you're asking |
| 03:38.33 | alvarezp | abrotman, works for me. Thanks a lot. |
| 03:38.55 | scribeskul | BCM43: It's ok, I think I solved that part. Now I have to set for getting Flash Player 9 installed and running (my original problem) Thanks anyways! |
| 03:39.19 | paulx | cast I know that there is a free software for this work |
| 03:39.27 | paulx | but I dont remember |
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| 03:42.48 | abrotman | paulx: did you check freshmeat ? |
| 03:42.51 | abrotman | or run away |
| 03:43.09 | mbrush | what was he looking for? |
| 03:43.16 | abrotman | industrial modeling software |
| 03:43.31 | mbrush | like AutoCAD? |
| 03:44.24 | PeterFA | Does Pixart and Disney know you guys use Toy Story names? |
| 03:45.34 | abrotman | i'm sure |
| 03:45.38 | abrotman | mbrush: no .. see his link |
| 03:45.44 | abrotman | oh .. wait |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | <paulx> abrotman: Look please http://www.programasde.com/wp-content/descargar-programa-promodel.JPG |
| 03:46.04 | PeterFA | It would be funny if Pixart used Debian to develop like Toy Story 3. |
| 03:46.14 | PeterFA | or 4, or whatever. |
| 03:46.27 | mbrush | abrotman: Google SketchUp |
| 03:46.30 | mbrush | hehe |
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| 03:49.00 | scribeskul | Debian proudly presents... Leisure Suit Larry...The movie!! |
| 03:51.06 | abrotman | now supporting CGA graphics adapters! |
| 03:51.34 | PeterFA | I love CGA graphics adapters! |
| 03:51.48 | scribeskul | or...Debian Does Dallas! |
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| 03:53.43 | simonrvn | it's "Pixar", and debian doesn't make money from using those names, so no, it wouldn't be a problem regardless. IMO |
| 03:54.01 | mbrush | which names? |
| 03:54.42 | dondelelcaro | if they were trademarked, and we were using them in trade in the same market, then it could be problematic |
| 03:55.15 | dondelelcaro | but since they're just codenames, and we aren't selling anything resembling those characters, it's not likely to be a serious problem |
| 03:55.21 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: exactly |
| 03:56.21 | scribeskul | Has anyone had any luck getting a flash player to run on etch? |
| 03:56.33 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 03:56.48 | simonrvn | !anyone |
| 03:56.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 03:57.21 | simonrvn | oh, it's "anyone use" i was looking for... |
| 03:57.36 | mbrush | scribeskul: It works perfect for me |
| 03:57.52 | mbrush | except mouse scrolling and javascript menus pop "under" flash movies |
| 03:58.42 | scribeskul | mbrush: What are you using to run flash with Etch? The packages that are available through synaptic don't work. youtube tells me I need to update my player, but using swf-player (the package) creates a grey screen with an error that reads something similar to 'playing this swf file is cancelled due to yadda yadda' |
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| 04:00.14 | mbrush | scribeskul: my 'dpkg -l | grep flash' reads flashplugin-nonfree 1:1.14... |
| 04:00.26 | mbrush | I forget if it was from the repos or Adobe |
| 04:00.47 | mbrush | I remember having to goof around to get it to work |
| 04:01.22 | scribeskul | mbrush: ok. That makes sense. Thanks! I remember seeing that package suggested, but I believe it was removed from the repos for some reason. |
| 04:02.05 | mbrush | scribeskul: I think I used from Adobe website, but there was an issue getting the path to iceweasel because if that name |
| 04:02.24 | mbrush | i had to make a symlink to a specific directory to fool the installer |
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| 04:04.05 | mbrush | scribeskul: I'm not 100% but I think I may have selected Ubuntu 8.04 on this page: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ to get a .deb |
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| 04:04.40 | cockroach | flashplugin-nonfree is still in sid |
| 04:05.58 | oOarthurOo | Well... for those of you who followed my daylong adventure trying to get a creative muvo txfm disk working I've thrown it out. I believe the firmware update ruined the device. |
| 04:06.25 | heavenquake | I just deleted af file I shouldn't have deleted. Is there a command to recover a recently deleted file? |
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| 04:10.00 | cockroach | heavenquake: never tried any of those, but apt-cache search undelete gives some results... |
| 04:10.28 | mbrush | havenquake: There are tons of those for linux ... I know none except Photorec which I tried once |
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| 04:12.14 | eap | anyone here has got eclipse +phpeclipse plugin working in lenny / 64bit ? |
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| 04:16.29 | creative2bad | root@ns363722:~# tar -xvjf torrentflux-b4rt_1.0-beta2.tar.bz2 |
| 04:16.29 | creative2bad | bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. |
| 04:16.30 | creative2bad | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 04:16.34 | creative2bad | how come this file wont extract? |
| 04:17.42 | cockroach | maybe your file is corrupted? |
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| 04:18.14 | creative2bad | nah |
| 04:18.26 | abrotman | or it's been unbziped .. but not a changed file .. file torrentflux-b4rt_1.0-beta2.tar.bz2 .. says what ? |
| 04:18.59 | creative2bad | torrentflux-b4rt_1.0-beta2.tar.bz2: HTML document text |
| 04:19.04 | creative2bad | wtf |
| 04:19.09 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 04:19.09 | dpkg | gives abrotman a My Little Pony. |
| 04:19.20 | cockroach | :) |
| 04:19.22 | creative2bad | lol |
| 04:19.25 | creative2bad | how can i fix this ? |
| 04:19.37 | cockroach | get the right file :) |
| 04:19.42 | creative2bad | .. |
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| 04:20.12 | cockroach | did you wget it? |
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| 04:20.47 | creative2bad | ok |
| 04:20.49 | creative2bad | i got it fixe dnow |
| 04:20.54 | creative2bad | well as far as what kind of file it is |
| 04:20.59 | creative2bad | torrentflux-b4rt_1.0-beta2.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k |
| 04:21.09 | creative2bad | root@ns363722:~# tar -xvfj torrentflux-b4rt_1.0-beta2.tar.bz2 |
| 04:21.09 | creative2bad | tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 04:21.09 | creative2bad | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 04:21.23 | cockroach | wrong order of tar arguments |
| 04:21.30 | cockroach | f must be last before the file name |
| 04:21.45 | abrotman | and you really don't need the -v |
| 04:22.09 | cockroach | i usually use it. it's nice to see that something's happening :) |
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| 04:22.55 | creative2bad | see |
| 04:22.58 | creative2bad | this is why i hate linux |
| 04:23.02 | creative2bad | the placement of f matters |
| 04:23.05 | creative2bad | what crap is that |
| 04:23.07 | creative2bad | thanks though guys |
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| 04:27.00 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 04:27.04 | w33d5 | how i can get the recorded programs from my comcast dvr short of removing the dvr HD? |
| 04:27.17 | bbelt16ag | I am trying to justify install X windows and freenx on my file server. is there anyreason ssh won't do? |
| 04:27.23 | bbelt16ag | that's what I use now |
| 04:27.47 | abrotman | why wold you need X ? |
| 04:27.52 | bbelt16ag | don't know |
| 04:28.09 | bbelt16ag | honestly I want to see how freenx works over the internet |
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| 04:28.24 | bbelt16ag | just to try it out |
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| 04:28.37 | bbelt16ag | but I can't find a reason to justify installing it |
| 04:29.17 | cockroach | gimp. you need to use gimp on the server. |
| 04:29.31 | bbelt16ag | look at pretty pictures |
| 04:29.59 | bbelt16ag | oh I know I can look at my porn in konqueror |
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| 04:30.51 | cockroach | is getting frustrated by video transcoding. i HATE not having a clue about what i'm doing... |
| 04:31.12 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:33.59 | cockroach | what's with all the joining and leaving? are people realizing they have real lives? |
| 04:34.50 | eap | real lives? whats that :) |
| 04:35.24 | cockroach | not sure, but i think it's where you get beer... |
| 04:35.36 | mbrush | I'm on IRC via my iPhone, I'm at the local discotech |
| 04:35.43 | mbrush | kidding |
| 04:35.48 | cockroach | of couse you are |
| 04:35.50 | cockroach | heh :) |
| 04:36.01 | mbrush | I am drinking canadian beer though |
| 04:36.17 | cockroach | is that any good? |
| 04:36.33 | mbrush | mhmm |
| 04:36.45 | mbrush | cockroach: where you from? |
| 04:36.52 | cockroach | switzerland. you? |
| 04:37.04 | mbrush | canada ... hehehe |
| 04:37.35 | mbrush | I don't know your beer, but canadian beer is like US beer but stronger |
| 04:38.13 | cockroach | that's already a first sign of quality there :) |
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| 04:38.29 | cockroach | how strong? |
| 04:38.34 | mbrush | it's light/cold/fizzy |
| 04:38.36 | mbrush | 5% |
| 04:38.55 | cockroach | sounds about right. ours is usually in that range too |
| 04:39.31 | cockroach | also, i'm OUT of beer. hrm. stupid place with no late-night stores... |
| 04:39.46 | mbrush | what time is it? |
| 04:39.56 | cockroach | 5:40 |
| 04:40.02 | cockroach | (am, in case you use that stuff) |
| 04:40.38 | mbrush | I use metric time, it's quarter past eighty |
| 04:40.44 | cockroach | :) |
| 04:40.58 | mbrush | it's 20:40 here |
| 04:41.19 | mbrush | all the beer stores are open |
| 04:41.25 | cockroach | damn you! |
| 04:41.25 | cockroach | :) |
| 04:41.45 | eap | thinks its that *thing* called a real life :) |
| 04:41.53 | abrotman | !ot |
| 04:41.54 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 04:41.59 | cockroach | i'm wondering at what time that gas station around the corner opens. not before 6, i guess... |
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| 04:42.09 | cockroach | meh, nothing ot happening in here... |
| 04:42.20 | mbrush | abrotman: I'd agree if anyone had any questions or any on-topic discussions |
| 04:42.27 | KlrSpz | man i cna't remember how to restore a missing configuraiton file from dpkg |
| 04:42.58 | abrotman | mbrush: that's not the point .. go to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:43.04 | mbrush | fair nuff |
| 04:43.07 | mbrush | just bored |
| 04:43.09 | cockroach | usually just unpacks the .deb manually and copies the files over |
| 04:43.16 | abrotman | !tell KlrSpz about confmiss |
| 04:43.55 | cockroach | ("manually" as in "hit enter in mc") :) |
| 04:44.35 | KlrSpz | damn, i always forget it |
| 04:44.52 | cockroach | oh, i *do* have something debian-related: my mouse in xorg misbehaves (can't drag & drop). latest experimental xorg, that is... |
| 04:44.59 | cockroach | anyone? |
| 04:45.02 | KlrSpz | thanks abrotman |
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| 04:46.31 | cockroach | also, every click seems to be interpreted as a double-click |
| 04:46.51 | cockroach | kind of entertaining, but not really useable... |
| 04:47.46 | mbrush | cockroach: would it help to dpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 04:48.47 | cockroach | mbrush: i guess i can try, but my conf files are pretty much hand-written. i don't dpkg is going to touch those... |
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| 04:49.15 | mbrush | can you backup xorg.conf and then see what changes it makes and then transfer the relevant parts to your original? |
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| 04:50.23 | mbrush | I've never ever had any probs with linux and mice except with defective hardware |
| 04:50.58 | cockroach | d'oh, now i have no input devices, again. i'll do the HAL stuff first, I guess... |
| 04:51.03 | ameyer | that almost sounds like some sort of defective button |
| 04:51.53 | cockroach | nah, worked yesterday. i also had some issues earlier today where no input devices would work at all (and iirc xorg was updated last night). |
| 04:52.03 | cockroach | then again, it *could* be |
| 04:52.37 | mbrush | cockroach: what type of input device? |
| 04:53.19 | cockroach | mouse and keyboard. there seems to be a new thing in latest xorg about using HAL for that. need to do some reading, I guess... |
| 04:54.04 | mbrush | I can;t really suggest anything else ... the mouse/trackpad has always been a given on all my linux installs on all my machines :) |
| 04:54.22 | cockroach | it has. that's what's so upsetting about this :) |
| 04:54.26 | mbrush | I know for sure I'll have a keyboard/mouse/terminal |
| 04:54.30 | mbrush | ehehehe |
| 04:54.43 | creative2bad | hmm |
| 04:54.45 | mbrush | cockroach: what type of hardware? |
| 04:55.01 | cockroach | "normal" usb stuff |
| 04:55.04 | creative2bad | sorry to sound like a noob again.. but i need libcurl >= 7.16.3 and I've gotten all the libcurl packages from aptitude |
| 04:55.07 | mbrush | wired? |
| 04:55.10 | cockroach | yes |
| 04:55.17 | creative2bad | and the version i have is 7.15.5 |
| 04:55.22 | mbrush | hmmm..what brand? |
| 04:55.24 | creative2bad | how can i get a newer version via aptitude ? |
| 04:55.27 | cockroach | logitech |
| 04:55.33 | mbrush | that is odd |
| 04:55.39 | cockroach | but i think it's really just a hal thing. |
| 04:56.05 | dansushi | ok- i have an issue that is probably very easy to fix, i just don't know how to do it. I have apache installed on debian. i want to uninstall it using apt-get remove apache, but i get the error "Package apache is not installed, so not removed" So i'm guessing it has some other name. What is that name? |
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| 04:56.26 | cockroach | dansushi: apache2? |
| 04:56.41 | dansushi | same error |
| 04:56.57 | cockroach | dansushi: dpkg -l *apache* | grep ^ii |
| 04:57.01 | dansushi | and i know that it's installed, because when my computer starts up, it start up apache |
| 04:57.06 | dansushi | dpkg -l *apache* | grep ^ii |
| 04:57.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching *apache* | grep ^ii |
| 04:57.18 | dansushi | eh, sorry |
| 04:57.21 | cockroach | dansushi: on your command line, not on irc :) |
| 04:57.26 | dansushi | yeah, i know |
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| 04:57.29 | ameyer | lol, accidental bottage... |
| 04:57.33 | dansushi | i thought i changed window |
| 04:57.34 | dansushi | s |
| 04:57.57 | dansushi | cockroach: nothing |
| 04:58.13 | mbrush | dansushi did you compile it yourself? |
| 04:58.14 | cockroach | dansushi: anything in /etc/init.d/? |
| 04:58.17 | dansushi | no |
| 04:58.33 | dansushi | sorry |
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| 04:58.42 | dansushi | no was to the question about compling |
| 04:58.52 | dansushi | yes to the question about anything in /etc/init.d |
| 04:59.05 | dansushi | apache and apache2 exists |
| 04:59.24 | cockroach | (about my xorg whining: installing xserver-xorg-input-evdev fixed it, not sure why) |
| 04:59.43 | cockroach | dansushi: try dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apache, then |
| 04:59.44 | mbrush | awesome |
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| 05:01.03 | scribeskul | Could someone be very kind and help me get this stupid flash player running on Debian Etch... I don't know what I've done wrong. I downloaded the tar, used their silly script to install, and it reported success. libflashplayer.so is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ Any clue? |
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| 05:01.25 | cockroach | scribeskul: what does about:plugins say? |
| 05:01.59 | dansushi | dan@dansushi:~$ dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apache |
| 05:01.59 | dansushi | apache: /etc/init.d/apache |
| 05:01.59 | dansushi | dan@dansushi:~$ |
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| 05:02.16 | cockroach | dansushi: so it's the apache package |
| 05:02.27 | cockroach | dansushi: dpkg -l apache ? |
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| 05:02.46 | mbrush | scribeskul: PM me ... I might be able to help |
| 05:02.51 | scribeskul | cockroach: I don't have about plugins in IceWeasel...under edit preferences, file types, manage --> SWF is slated to run with Shockwave Flash (plugin) |
| 05:03.02 | eap | scribeskul: for me 'apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla' worked wonders, and im on amd64 arch |
| 05:03.03 | dansushi | cockroach: dialog box |
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| 05:04.04 | scribeskul | eap: I don't have that package (E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla) |
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| 05:04.21 | cockroach | dansushi: ok, it seems the package is removed but not purged. try "dpkg --purge apache" , this will remove all config files and stuff (make sure to have backups if there's anything important) |
| 05:04.22 | eap | hmm, maybe its in non-free ? |
| 05:04.24 | mbrush | scribeskul: did you try the .deb from Adobe? |
| 05:04.28 | eap | no |
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| 05:05.12 | scribeskul | mbrush: It wouldn't install for me. I downloaded the tar from Adobe and installed that, but still have nothing. |
| 05:05.22 | eap | scribeskul: i have debian-multimedia repos |
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| 05:05.37 | tCzern | what's the command to check on the IPconfig ? |
| 05:05.44 | scribeskul | If it is a simple repo update, what repo URL am I missing? |
| 05:05.46 | mbrush | ifconfig |
| 05:05.55 | cockroach | oh cool! now all the weird buttons on my mouse work. sweeet... |
| 05:06.00 | tCzern | sudo ? |
| 05:06.23 | tCzern | k, thanks! |
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| 05:06.43 | mhymn | scribeskul: use the one in dmm, as eap mentioned above |
| 05:06.45 | eap | scribeskul: look here: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 05:07.08 | scribeskul | ok, thank you...I'll go from there! |
| 05:07.45 | dansushi | cockroach: ok, i'll try that |
| 05:08.02 | tCzern | is there a command that checks if I have firewire installed and running? |
| 05:08.26 | dansushi | cockroach: i pasted the output into the dialog box |
| 05:09.49 | cockroach | thanks, saw it |
| 05:11.16 | mbrush | scribeskul: for what it's worth my flashplugin-nonfree is version 1:1.4~bpo40+1 if that tells anyone where it came from? |
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| 05:11.45 | scribeskul | eap: I keep having these public key problems |
| 05:13.34 | scribeskul | eap: And I don't understand the instructions on that site at all about adding a public key so I can use the repo. Any help you could give, or hints, would be awesome |
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| 05:14.07 | mhymn | scribeskul: then dl the pkg manually |
| 05:14.11 | mbrush | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 05:14.58 | mbrush | sorry, thought that was what i read before |
| 05:15.39 | eap | scribeskul, yeah, I think you could do a manual download of the file... |
| 05:16.55 | scribeskul | this shouldn't be this difficult haha |
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| 05:17.11 | mbrush | i agree |
| 05:17.18 | mbrush | stupid proprietary formats |
| 05:17.23 | scribeskul | yep |
| 05:17.47 | scribeskul | i installed the proprietary file straight from Adobe but nothing even happened haha. Let me try this backend one |
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| 05:18.04 | eap | scribeskul: have u added yoru repo? |
| 05:19.16 | scribeskul | eap: I have no clue what public keys are and how to add them...i'm not using debmirror either. I looked at that FAQ above but it didn't help much in the way of explaining the PUBLIC key thing |
| 05:19.41 | scribeskul | the mirror is added to the sources.list though, just errors back about the key |
| 05:20.02 | eap | scribeskul: once u have added the debian multimedia repo, he has given the command for keyring validation at the end |
| 05:20.05 | mbrush | my flashplugin-nonfree came from here: |
| 05:20.06 | mbrush | http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 05:20.20 | mbrush | i downloaded the .deb and installed it manually with dpkg |
| 05:20.24 | mhymn | mbrush: yours is from backports |
| 05:20.30 | eap | scribeskul: search for debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 05:20.45 | mbrush | cool ... I have such a hard time finding this info out, and my memory sucks |
| 05:22.55 | mhymn | scribeskul: http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.php |
| 05:23.07 | mhymn | scribeskul: then again, you could dl it manually |
| 05:23.33 | scribeskul | well, i'm trying to get this keyring thing installed now |
| 05:24.01 | mhymn | read the faq above |
| 05:24.03 | scribeskul | unable to lock administration directory error |
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| 05:25.49 | scribeskul | when I use wget to install the keyrign (like posted on that site) I get an Error that returns 'E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 05:26.16 | mhymn | scribeskul: are you root? |
| 05:26.27 | scribeskul | yup |
| 05:26.32 | scribeskul | is it because of xwindows? |
| 05:27.06 | mhymn | don't think so |
| 05:27.22 | eap | scribeskul: do you have another pkg manger running? (like synaptic?) |
| 05:27.34 | scribeskul | got it |
| 05:27.38 | scribeskul | synaptioc was running |
| 05:27.42 | scribeskul | and locking the process |
| 05:27.52 | scribeskul | (slaps forehead) |
| 05:28.38 | scribeskul | now i have other errors |
| 05:28.40 | scribeskul | haha |
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| 05:30.32 | scribeskul | woohoo, ok, everything is working now. Thank you guys so much for putting up with me. |
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| 05:31.44 | scribeskul | Ok, well still no flash, but at least I got the package to install |
| 05:31.55 | boggy` | clear |
| 05:32.15 | mbrush | mhymn: scribeskul: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb |
| 05:32.23 | mbrush | I'm 99% sure that was the package |
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| 05:33.24 | mhymn | you're right, but i myself suggest the one in dmm |
| 05:34.05 | mbrush | is it a newer version? I'd like to get mouse scrolling over flash movies and javascript popunder flash movies working |
| 05:34.13 | mhymn | yours --> Installing this Debian package causes the Adobe Flash Player to be downloaded from www.adobe.com and so on |
| 05:34.35 | mbrush | right ... and then i had an issue with iceweasel path or something |
| 05:34.47 | eap | scribeskul: by any chance are you running 64bit and had nspluginwrapper running along side -- I had that prob. |
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| 05:35.25 | mhymn | mbrush: the one in dmm is '9.0 r115' |
| 05:35.52 | scribeskul | eap: nada. I installed the plugin from the mirror you suggested, everything went successfully, except, well, it didn't change anything with the way iceweasel treats flash files. Youtube, for example, still says I either have javascript off, or an old version of flash installed |
| 05:35.53 | mbrush | how could i tell what version mine is? |
| 05:36.18 | mhymn | mbrush: the easy way is to use firefox (iceweasel) |
| 05:36.27 | mhymn | mbrush: about:plugins |
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| 05:37.03 | mbrush | Mine says Shcokwave Flash 9.0 r124 |
| 05:37.08 | scribeskul | eap: I'm going to try pulling all the other packages out, then reinstalling |
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| 05:37.26 | mhymn | not that much newer! |
| 05:37.50 | mbrush | I should start taking notes about how I got tricky stuff to work ... |
| 05:38.13 | mbrush | ie my wifi, flash, acpi,etc |
| 05:39.06 | scribeskul | OK GOT IT! |
| 05:39.22 | mbrush | what was the solution? |
| 05:39.29 | scribeskul | you need to remove ALL other flash plugins, then install the one (and only that one) from the multimedia mirror eap suggested |
| 05:40.24 | scribeskul | the only package i have installed is flashplayer-mozilla version 1:9.0.124.0-0.1 |
| 05:41.18 | scribeskul | i took out all the other flash files (i.e. swf-player, libswf, etc) then reinstalled that one package and everything worked flawlessly. I guess the other packages were taking precedence. |
| 05:41.24 | mbrush | what is the difference between the -mozilla and the -nonfree code? is the -mozilla one not actually adobe? |
| 05:41.35 | n3kl | Is there an easy way to change which gcc version I am using to compile. Seems like there should be an alternatives option |
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| 05:41.55 | scribeskul | thanks to ea, mbrush, and everyone else, by the way! yay! |
| 05:42.17 | mbrush | scribeskul: you have me wondering if I'm using the best version |
| 05:42.50 | scribeskul | I'm using player 9 it looks like (9.0.124.0-0.1) |
| 05:43.05 | mbrush | i guess it's all adobe anyway probably |
| 05:43.20 | mbrush | there are a few annoying glitches, but overall works well |
| 05:43.53 | scribeskul | I'm still glad I totally did away with XP and am now using all my good hardware for this system hehe |
| 05:43.59 | scribeskul | even with these minor bugs |
| 05:45.29 | cockroach | n3kl: no afaik. i usually just use 'make CC="gcc-x.yz"' |
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| 05:46.43 | n3kl | cockroach: yeah, thats what I had been doing, but seems like there should be an /etc/apternatives/gcc or somethign |
| 05:47.09 | cockroach | n3kl: i agree. |
| 05:47.14 | neoice | whats the best way to grow a partition? |
| 05:47.29 | scribeskul | feed it lots of beef |
| 05:47.32 | scribeskul | :) |
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| 05:47.33 | mbrush | neoice: what fs type, what's on partition? |
| 05:47.34 | neoice | lol |
| 05:47.37 | neoice | ext3 |
| 05:47.38 | n3kl | neoice: use lvm instead, but I think there is something like gparted that will do the trick |
| 05:47.41 | neoice | and /home |
| 05:47.42 | cockroach | neoice: using xfs and lvm to begin with :) |
| 05:47.55 | mbrush | gparted |
| 05:47.57 | mbrush | hehehe |
| 05:48.01 | neoice | the partition has my old /, /usr, /var on it too |
| 05:48.09 | n3kl | cockroach: the 1 reason I don't use xfs is cause it doesn't shrink, which is a common thing I do |
| 05:48.11 | neoice | but I already moved that, so I just want to take that space up |
| 05:48.22 | neoice | also, I'd rather use ZFS, but cant. |
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| 05:48.27 | ddalton | hi, does anyone know of any gnutella console based programs? I found, dctc and rccp as well as amulecmd and mutella. mutella seems outdated, can anyone help with dctc? |
| 05:48.31 | cockroach | n3kl: you shrink? you should see a doctor about that :) - okay sorry, it's getting late... |
| 05:48.35 | n3kl | zfs isn't in linux afiak |
| 05:48.51 | neoice | no, it not. thats the main reason I cant use it ;) |
| 05:49.00 | cockroach | n3kl: but true, i didn't really like that either. then again, after a couple of years i realized i never shrunk a file system... |
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| 05:49.04 | neoice | btrfs is in development and hopes to leapfrog ZFS |
| 05:49.17 | neoice | but I think I'd need to run .27, which I definitely cannot |
| 05:49.27 | mbrush | neoice are you using gtk/gnome? |
| 05:49.31 | n3kl | cockroach: if I had enough storage, I wouldn't either, but then, you can't ever have enough storage |
| 05:49.46 | neoice | mbrush: no, CLI |
| 05:49.52 | neoice | its a server. |
| 05:50.30 | cockroach | n3kl: indeed you can't. i usually just buy new drives... |
| 05:50.39 | ddalton | hey, im having trouble following, I'm blind so yeah can anyone who can help with my gnutella problem please join ##ddalton? |
| 05:50.48 | ddalton | thanks |
| 05:51.03 | neoice | I cant even afford SATA drives, let alone SCSI drives :( |
| 05:51.39 | mbrush | what's gnutella? |
| 05:51.43 | cockroach | i recently bought a replacement drive for my ibm server. that was hilarious. 18 gigs SCSI, about 700 USD (current exchange rate)... |
| 05:52.00 | cockroach | mbrush: some file-sharing thing |
| 05:52.07 | ddalton | file sharing... |
| 05:52.07 | mbrush | hrmm |
| 05:52.24 | mbrush | like Kazaa? |
| 05:52.29 | mbrush | hahahahahahhaa |
| 05:52.34 | cockroach | *g* |
| 05:53.44 | scribeskul | gbutella is the network that most of those programs use to find files, like kazaa, bearshare, etc... they all use essentially the same networks |
| 05:53.49 | scribeskul | *gnutella |
| 05:54.05 | scribeskul | ...i believe |
| 05:54.21 | cockroach | except i never managed to find ANYthing on gnutella. when i tried it, for purely scientific purposes, of course :) |
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| 05:54.31 | mbrush | I kinda remembered that ... until i found bittorrent |
| 05:54.37 | scribeskul | I'm a torrent fella myself... |
| 05:54.48 | scribeskul | for strictly 24 hr research purposes (wink) |
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| 05:55.08 | mbrush | haha ... scribeskul is going to install utorrent in wine soon |
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| 05:56.02 | scribeskul | nah...I got transmission |
| 05:56.09 | scribeskul | :) awesome torrent client (I think) |
| 05:56.38 | ScreamingMonkeys | Anyone know what kernel version is likely to be the default in lenny? still on 2.6.22 currently... |
| 05:56.54 | cockroach | scribeskul: it is! |
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| 05:57.10 | cockroach | ScreamingMonkeys: from what i can tell 2.6.26, then again, i'm no dd |
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| 05:57.16 | scribeskul | I like it very much...reminds me of utorrent because of its low memory usage |
| 05:58.01 | ScreamingMonkeys | hmm hoping on 2.6.27 for FUSEfs NFS export support :( |
| 05:58.03 | mbrush | scribeskul: transmission is ok ... i find it a bit basic ... but it serves the purpose (just not as well as when i tried windows xp with utorrent) |
| 05:58.36 | mbrush | it's much better than having some java based behmoth running all the time (azureus |
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| 05:58.57 | cockroach | amen. |
| 05:59.33 | scribeskul | mbrush: I'll admit the options are a bit lacking on Transmission (encryptions, detailed stuff), but man, ease of use-wise, it wins in my book haha |
| 05:59.47 | cockroach | i don't want one of my cores to be busy with torrenting. i'm already using one for firefox... |
| 06:00.18 | ScreamingMonkeys | Does transmission do time based scheduling and peerguardian style ip blacklists yet? |
| 06:00.54 | scribeskul | ScreamingMonkeys: If it does any of that, its through a config file and not the GUI, from what i can see hehe |
| 06:01.01 | cockroach | :) |
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| 06:01.44 | bw\_ | deluge is quite nice |
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| 06:01.57 | mbrush | I'm working on setting up a dedicated server for torrents where I can just upload a .torrent file and it auto-adds it and downloads it in the queue ... 24hrs/day 7/week |
| 06:02.16 | ScreamingMonkeys | I'm using Vuze (Azureus), I don't like it but I need the features, also seems faster than the other clients i've tried although that was on a slower connection than I'm on now |
| 06:02.27 | mbrush | i have a small dell workstation to do this with a 200GB drive |
| 06:02.44 | cockroach | mbrush: i was going to buy a NAS box which does that but then i was too lazy to actually do it :) |
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| 06:03.12 | ScreamingMonkeys | Also Vuze has a really handy feature of scanning a directory for incoming .torrent files, autoquing them then moving the .torrent file to another directory |
| 06:03.16 | mbrush | cockroach: i was gonna build a linux NAS to do it but then i remembered my old P2 sitting in a box |
| 06:03.26 | cockroach | heh |
| 06:03.41 | mbrush | I was looking at rtorrent |
| 06:03.48 | mbrush | and the classic cli client |
| 06:04.06 | cockroach | rtorrent is neat, but the auto-pickup-feature never really worked for me. maybe i was being stupid, though. |
| 06:04.23 | mbrush | cockroach: that's the main feature that interested me |
| 06:04.33 | mbrush | havne't tried yet though |
| 06:05.20 | cockroach | afaik other people got it to work. maybe i got a broken version. or, more likely, the being stupid thing. |
| 06:05.27 | cockroach | it's been a while, though |
| 06:05.45 | mbrush | is wondering 5% of what? |
| 06:07.24 | mbrush | i got my eeepc running debian last week, running XFCE and a cairo-dock with roaming wifi ... best computer ever |
| 06:07.49 | cockroach | i heard the keyboard sucks... |
| 06:07.56 | mbrush | it's small |
| 06:08.11 | ScreamingMonkeys | eee's rawk, been using mine for comics and ebooks mostly |
| 06:08.11 | mbrush | and the screen is small |
| 06:08.28 | cockroach | is it "small but good" or "sucks but that's because it's small"? :) |
| 06:08.29 | mbrush | uses his for movies on the ferry |
| 06:08.50 | mbrush | it's both sucks and rocks because it is small |
| 06:08.55 | mbrush | if that is possible |
| 06:09.11 | mbrush | someone made eeepc-debian and he is my hero |
| 06:09.11 | ScreamingMonkeys | keyboards fairly usable (And I have big hands), although I would't want to write a novel on it |
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| 06:10.47 | mbrush | I have the XFCE panel to auto-hide and use the cairo-dock to popup a menu with any apps i need ... |
| 06:11.00 | mbrush | but screen is still too small res. |
| 06:11.57 | ScreamingMonkeys | I use fluxbox, just bind a key to open a terminal and another for gmrun, otherwise ctrl+esc to open the fluxbox menu |
| 06:12.49 | mbrush | i tried open/black box on it ... but XFCE is worth the extra 250MB or whatever |
| 06:13.49 | ScreamingMonkeys | I would probably me using fluxbox on my desktop system if it wasn't for compiz bling =P |
| 06:14.07 | ScreamingMonkeys | I don't bother with the gnome menus as it is |
| 06:14.22 | mbrush | XFCE is right in the middle for the XFCE |
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| 06:14.26 | mbrush | eepc i mean |
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| 06:15.57 | cockroach | as some wise man once said, "xfce is, without a doubt, the most ass kicking thing since ass kicking began." |
| 06:16.25 | mbrush | it certainly rules and of it's own domain |
| 06:16.30 | mbrush | hahaha, canadian beer |
| 06:16.47 | cockroach | d'oh, that topic again. |
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| 06:17.26 | mbrush | debian beer is pretty good on a hot summer day when you install debian beer into your stomatch and start to get rm -f *ed |
| 06:18.28 | mbrush | ScreamingMonkeys: does your eeepc shut totally off? |
| 06:19.03 | mbrush | my power light stays on and i have to hold the button to kill it totally |
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| 06:19.53 | cockroach | i think i'm having debian beer right now. still waiting for it... |
| 06:22.11 | ScreamingMonkeys | mbrush: Yeh, you probably need to fix the sound modules |
| 06:22.41 | mbrush | making post-it note for sober computing time |
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| 06:24.11 | ScreamingMonkeys | mbrush: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/getting_ubuntu_8.04_to_work_perfectly |
| 06:25.05 | Agiofws | hello |
| 06:25.18 | mbrush | seen it ... bookmarked it now |
| 06:25.19 | ScreamingMonkeys | I also recommend the cpufreq stuff to get better battery life |
| 06:25.29 | mbrush | that's be nice ... it doesn't work here yet |
| 06:25.36 | mbrush | I only use it for 10 minute intervals |
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| 06:27.20 | Saz|Laptop | how do i apt-get for a specific architecture |
| 06:27.51 | Saz|Laptop | example: i want to apt-get install 32 bit packages on a 64 bit system |
| 06:27.52 | lolwatt | what is the command for that app tha will let me select java path from the diff java installations found on my system |
| 06:27.52 | troubled | Agiofws! |
| 06:28.01 | lolwatt | it lists them all and asks for a # |
| 06:28.12 | lolwatt | i cant find it :| |
| 06:28.24 | troubled | Agiofws: come to spam us with some imagebin's? :) |
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| 06:30.36 | Agiofws | troubled, not yet |
| 06:30.51 | Agiofws | but.... with you tube |
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| 06:31.26 | troubled | grins |
| 06:31.29 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se52vVUiOg8 |
| 06:31.39 | ScreamingMonkeys | lolwatt: try update-java-alternatives |
| 06:31.57 | troubled | my gonna need audio for this? |
| 06:32.12 | Agiofws | troubled, watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc9JWYuUa2o&NR=1 one of the best i've seen ... |
| 06:32.27 | lolwatt | thats not it |
| 06:32.43 | troubled | Agiofws: still got the issue with particles leaving the bounding cube I see |
| 06:33.05 | mhymn | Saz|Laptop: how do you know that it is possible to install a 32bit pkg on a 64bit system? |
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| 06:33.35 | troubled | Agiofws: ahh ya, thats one of the featured video clips on b.org |
| 06:33.38 | Saz|Laptop | mhymn, because if i do dpkg -i --force-architecture on a 32 bit package it installs and works |
| 06:33.39 | Agiofws | troubled, its just a test |
| 06:33.53 | Saz|Laptop | however, I'd like to do this via apt-get |
| 06:33.59 | Agiofws | troubled, is there a tutorial on how to do that ? |
| 06:34.13 | scribeskul | burn, baby burn..Disco Inferno! |
| 06:34.36 | cockroach | Saz|Laptop: afaik you can't, but don't quote me on that. I had to do it manually, too... |
| 06:34.40 | Agiofws | is there a blend file ? |
| 06:34.55 | Saz|Laptop | that sucks, because this one app requires like, 20 dependencies |
| 06:34.55 | troubled | Agiofws: not sure, probably a blend file though |
| 06:35.11 | Saz|Laptop | and it'll take ages to manually install each deb |
| 06:35.24 | Agiofws | Here is a link to Blenderartists thread, that includes blend file: |
| 06:35.24 | Agiofws | http://blenderartists.org/forum/showt... |
| 06:35.26 | Agiofws | LOL |
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| 06:37.01 | cockroach | Saz|Laptop: indeed, sucks... |
| 06:37.12 | troubled | Agiofws: so did you have a debian question for us? |
| 06:37.18 | Agiofws | yes |
| 06:37.46 | Agiofws | why do they use the GE to prodce that and not the normal interface ... i am using debian ... ? :) |
| 06:37.47 | cockroach | whoa, just had half a heart attack. i heard someone walk through my appartment, playing with their keys. then i realized it was just part of the music i'm listening to :) |
| 06:38.07 | troubled | aww, that sucks. cause you already used your quota with your blender one :) |
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| 06:39.03 | deadcat | / |
| 06:39.45 | Agiofws | cockroach, could it be a lost soul ? |
| 06:39.51 | troubled | Agiofws: I think thats probably best asked in the blender channel though. But most likely they are using physics of the GE and/or making a game |
| 06:39.55 | Agiofws | you never know what souls want |
| 06:40.18 | mhymn | Agiofws: keep it on topic dude |
| 06:40.19 | Agiofws | ok troubled you cant use the physics in normal interface ? |
| 06:40.27 | Agiofws | ok dude |
| 06:40.33 | cockroach | Agiofws: could be. i think that one wanted to point out that my new head phones are too fancy for me :) |
| 06:40.34 | troubled | Agiofws: not that I am aware of |
| 06:41.07 | Agiofws | ok thanks |
| 06:41.12 | troubled | Agiofws: anything you do with physics you would normally copy into an IPO for animation for static scenes |
| 06:41.32 | Agiofws | yes i already did that ... with GE |
| 06:41.36 | Agiofws | COOL |
| 06:41.41 | troubled | caps! |
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| 06:43.22 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC9bRojs4ZE |
| 06:43.56 | troubled | also, I think your bathroom youtube clip was meant to show of GLSL, wasn't it? |
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| 06:45.51 | troubled | Agiofws: ahh, gary jules, good stuff :) |
| 06:46.31 | troubled | Agiofws: you make that yourself? |
| 06:46.33 | Agiofws | troubled, i want to make a stick man in that clip running along the film real going aroud the gear and stuff |
| 06:46.48 | Agiofws | troubled, off course that was easy ... |
| 06:47.12 | troubled | Agiofws: I like the style. very touchin with that music. Although, its incomplete :/ |
| 06:48.09 | Agiofws | 1)YOU TAKE a couple of 360 you join them with hugin you insert to blender inside a tube you rotate the cam . troubled i know it needs more ... |
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| 06:58.26 | lolwatt | update-alternatives was what i wanted, but i didnt have a conflicting java install on this box, frostwire was being stubborn, finally got it to work |
| 06:59.27 | scribeskul | Debi, or not to debian, that is the question! |
| 06:59.38 | lolwatt | buntu |
| 06:59.39 | lolwatt | jk |
| 07:00.00 | lolwatt | buntu is fighting the mono beast i hear |
| 07:00.29 | lolwatt | times like these im thankful for debian's anal doctrines of licencing :) |
| 07:00.52 | streuner__ | troll somewhere else |
| 07:00.53 | scribeskul | times like this i'm thankful for alcohal |
| 07:01.01 | scribeskul | err..alchohal |
| 07:01.10 | scribeskul | one of those spellings |
| 07:01.40 | lolwatt | ur typing sux, thats a sign you're not drunk enough! |
| 07:02.00 | scribeskul | amen brother |
| 07:02.32 | scribeskul | can't toke anymore, gotta find a job, so i've resorted to being filled with lots of wine |
| 07:02.58 | lolwatt | dont tell me u gotta del with that drug testing bs |
| 07:03.05 | lolwatt | what line of work u into |
| 07:03.14 | lolwatt | s/del/deal |
| 07:03.15 | scribeskul | networking |
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| 07:03.29 | lolwatt | they drug test you for white collar work |
| 07:03.32 | scribeskul | i have a job, but every position i have been looking at requires drug screening |
| 07:03.37 | lolwatt | whats the world coming to |
| 07:03.47 | lolwatt | dang |
| 07:03.51 | scribeskul | i need a new job (one that pays more) |
| 07:04.02 | scribeskul | so i've been off the green for over a month now |
| 07:04.17 | lolwatt | they do random or just init |
| 07:04.22 | scribeskul | just init |
| 07:04.26 | lolwatt | good hehe |
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| 07:04.50 | scribeskul | yeah, i'm going to be numb from the neck down once i get a new job haha |
| 07:05.15 | streuner__ | hm |
| 07:05.23 | scribeskul | i dont know if they all will require piss tests, but its better to be safe than sorry...especially when i ogot a car loan to make sure i can pay, etc.. and jobs are tight round here...i may only get one shot |
| 07:06.31 | scribeskul | i live in central pennsylvania, a little coal town about an hour north of harrisburg...so good tech jobs are far and between |
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| 07:08.35 | adimit | hey guys. any idea why cryptsetup would fail nothing more than a "Command failed."? |
| 07:08.42 | adimit | on luksFormat |
| 07:09.44 | lolwatt | why does luks do anything? ive had a partition go wacky before writing past the end and crapflood my terminal |
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| 07:10.27 | adimit | my experiences with luks have been very good so far. |
| 07:10.52 | lolwatt | mine to, but ive had the exception |
| 07:10.52 | adimit | this is the first time I'm having trouble. The problem is mostly this incredibly useless error message. |
| 07:11.37 | lolwatt | ive had clean installs of deb fail on first or second boot, fail during cd install, once i get it installed its usually good |
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| 07:12.27 | lolwatt | maybe i accidentally deleted bash symlink or something... sxeemed to go crazy after that |
| 07:12.35 | scribeskul | I'm on day 2 of my debian install as my MAIN system...no more microsoft products... ahh good times... |
| 07:12.56 | lolwatt | or rthe times i had loopback dropped in the output chain while allowed in input |
| 07:13.09 | lolwatt | ive messed up in some royal ways heh |
| 07:13.27 | lolwatt | i learned :D |
| 07:13.39 | anonident | I bought a laptop and it has recessed me back into MS usage |
| 07:13.50 | adimit | sounds like it. lvm2+luks thus far never disappointed me on two servers and my laptop. |
| 07:14.12 | lolwatt | im still a noob, changing ones host name wont mess things up will it |
| 07:14.13 | scribeskul | whats lvm for (logical volume manager?) |
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| 07:14.28 | lolwatt | ive been scared to try since then |
| 07:14.51 | lolwatt | i probably commied one of the above fails around the same time, that was the cause of it |
| 07:14.56 | adimit | scribeskul: a nice way to organize your partitions more flexibly. you can have partitions span multiple hard drives, reliably resize partitions, etc. |
| 07:15.26 | scribeskul | adimit: OH ok, so its good for, lets say, you have a /var that turns out to be too small, etc |
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| 07:16.00 | adimit | lolwatt: changing your hostname isn't that much of a biggy (in a private network), just be sure to reboot and check etc for files that have your hostname hardwired. |
| 07:16.07 | adimit | scribeskul: for example, yes. |
| 07:16.17 | lolwatt | i dont really kow what i did, i accidentally deleted bash file or something, went to crap from there |
| 07:16.18 | scribeskul | This time I went for simple partitioning... 1 80 gig /root and a 250 gig /home haha |
| 07:16.44 | adimit | 80 gig root? what for? do you want to host a debian mirror? I rarely go over 5G in root. |
| 07:17.13 | adimit | then again, I mostly use command line programs, so I don't need so much space for /usr |
| 07:17.34 | scribeskul | adimit: <shrug> I just have 2 parititons . I have an 80 gig HD that I use for / and everything except home. the 250gig is a seperate HD that i use for the 250 /home |
| 07:17.57 | scribeskul | throw in some /swap too |
| 07:19.31 | scribeskul | I don't have to worry about , say, /usr being too small, etc... I figured this isn't a server, just a home machine, so the chances are I won't have to worry about the security that having seoperate /var and /tmp, etc bring... If something goes wrong, all my user files are both backed up and on a seperate HD |
| 07:23.35 | adimit | having a separate /tmp and /var isn't so much a security issue, as it is a simple convenience issue: content in /var and /tmp is highly volatile and having it on one big partition will just fragment that partition badly. |
| 07:23.54 | adimit | so that's why servers don't put it all on one partition, typically. |
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| 07:24.09 | scribeskul | adimit: There are cases where you would want a cap on your /var though, in case log files somehow grew and filled up root |
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| 07:24.25 | scribeskul | adimit: at least that is what I have read/learned, another reason it is a seperate partition |
| 07:24.58 | adimit | ah, yes, that's true. apache and sendmail flood attacks. |
| 07:25.01 | scribeskul | i don't know how true that is though, especially now adays |
| 07:25.11 | scribeskul | <nods> i guess its true hehe |
| 07:25.48 | scribeskul | I'll have to go for my Linux+ here some month coming up. Lots of studying involved there |
| 07:26.17 | scribeskul | that and my security+ |
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| 07:27.15 | scribeskul | That's another reason I switched my main system to linux (among a plethera of other reasons)...what better way to learn all the sepects i can then to force myself to use it on a daily basis haha |
| 07:27.27 | scribeskul | *sepects = aspects |
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| 07:28.28 | lolwatt | why is the giFT p2p app still in the repos |
| 07:28.47 | lolwatt | is the network dead? ive never gotten it to connect |
| 07:29.00 | lolwatt | ive tried on 3 diff linuxdistros + windows, same result |
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| 07:29.46 | scribeskul | If you are into Viking Metal, check out Amon Amarth! Great music! |
| 07:29.52 | lolwatt | heh |
| 07:30.18 | adimit | ok, I's *so* gonna fucking *KILL* the dm-crypt devs. |
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| 07:30.56 | scribeskul | kill em, become god, resserect em, then kill em again, and since your god you can condemn them to eternal damnation hehe |
| 07:31.03 | troubled | adimit: language please :) |
| 07:31.04 | lolwatt | ok an important question, does anyone know how luks works, does it derive the key directly from the password or is it like truecrypt where the password just unlocks the true key |
| 07:31.10 | adimit | here I am sitting in front of my half-dead laptop, wondering why the hell this thing doesn't work. it seems one has to type their response to cryptsetup (the affirmative "yes") in UPPERCASE. |
| 07:31.15 | lolwatt | where does luks get the actual crypto key |
| 07:31.23 | adimit | troubled: sorry. I overreacted. |
| 07:31.30 | troubled | it happens :) |
| 07:31.38 | lolwatt | i tried reading the spec but it was complex |
| 07:31.42 | scribeskul | adimit: maybe one of the developers had a sticky caps lock hehe |
| 07:31.48 | adimit | I'd just like that hour of my life back. |
| 07:31.54 | adimit | whatever. |
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| 07:32.24 | lolwatt | is it possible to change a luks partition password |
| 07:32.30 | troubled | sure |
| 07:32.35 | OpenTokix | adimit: so, you can't read. And it is somebodyelses fault? Get a grip and stop blaming others for your own shortcommings. |
| 07:32.42 | troubled | cryptsetup can do it for ya |
| 07:32.51 | lolwatt | if so then that must not be used to get the real key'otherwise it would have to reencrypt the entire part |
| 07:33.01 | troubled | lolwatt: you have to add a second slot before you can remove the first slot though |
| 07:33.07 | lolwatt | ok |
| 07:33.08 | adimit | scribeskul: luks takes whatever you give it, hashes it, pads it with zeroes if it's too small, truncate it if it's too big and uses that. |
| 07:33.31 | adimit | ah, sorry, that was for lolwatt |
| 07:33.34 | lolwatt | so where does luks generate the physical key used to encrypt if not the pw itself |
| 07:33.37 | troubled | lolwatt: at least thats for multiple keys, might be able to change just the one slots password. cant remember |
| 07:33.44 | scribeskul | adimit: hehe, no problem, i feel special now haha |
| 07:33.56 | troubled | lolwatt: try dump the luks part |
| 07:34.08 | adimit | OpenTokix: I know, I know. My reading skills aren't the best, especially not when I use commands I use every day. |
| 07:34.15 | lolwatt | im just curious about the strength of its encryption |
| 07:34.57 | lolwatt | so it mmust be similar to truecrypt, the pw is just to unlock the real crypto key |
| 07:34.58 | troubled | lolwatt: cryptsetup luksDump /dev/XXXXX |
| 07:35.10 | troubled | lolwatt: i believe so |
| 07:35.23 | lolwatt | is luks aes or what |
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| 07:36.07 | troubled | lolwatt: i believe it can use a few diff encryption methods. luksDump should tell you whats in use on your system |
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| 07:37.00 | troubled | lolwatt: or, I believe the initramdisk can be setup to use crypto loop instead, which can do up to 64 alternating keys |
| 07:37.31 | troubled | the installer for etch didn't do that when I used it though, so you would need to setup that kinda paranoid/secure setup on your own |
| 07:37.35 | lolwatt | im not doin any of that, just off the lenny install cd |
| 07:38.02 | lolwatt | ok its aes |
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| 07:38.40 | troubled | the etch cd also doesn't really securely initialize the drive either since it just zero's it using crypto, which is weak to known plain text attacks, but thats a whole different debat :) |
| 07:38.45 | troubled | debate* |
| 07:39.20 | troubled | it should at least use urandom, but then an install would take many many hours unfortunately |
| 07:39.51 | lolwatt | yea it takes that long to wipe |
| 07:40.09 | lolwatt | just wondering if the strength of its keyheneration is sound |
| 07:40.11 | adimit | just leave it overnight. |
| 07:40.39 | lolwatt | id prefer an option to select the key myself |
| 07:40.42 | lolwatt | ohwell |
| 07:41.03 | troubled | probably best to just do a small 500mb ish install and then bootstrap the real system by hand |
| 07:41.13 | scribeskul | Ahhh...nothing like a tall glass of Chianti and a cigar...be back in a few hehe...too stinky to smoke in the house |
| 07:41.17 | troubled | debian install != miltary security |
| 07:41.40 | troubled | errr, debian installer != military grade security :) |
| 07:41.43 | kunwon1 | military? pff, they use windows |
| 07:42.04 | troubled | im sure the super computers don't ;) |
| 07:42.20 | troubled | on that note, I doub't they run debian either heh |
| 07:42.26 | scribeskul | hahahha maybe thats why we never found osama... too many explorer.exe errors hahaha |
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| 07:45.32 | lolwatt | my passphrase is strong enough, only worried about the strength of the real key it derives on its own |
| 07:46.05 | lolwatt | my passwords are always > 128bit |
| 07:46.06 | troubled | lolwatt: come to think about it, the luks stuff was brought up during the big ssh fiasco for something. i forget the details, but I think the key gen may have been an issue as well. You may want to check into it some more |
| 07:46.21 | lolwatt | hmm |
| 07:46.39 | lolwatt | you mean openssl ? |
| 07:46.49 | troubled | but after updates, if you change the password on the key, you would most likely be okay if it were a problem |
| 07:46.51 | lolwatt | im using a recent installer |
| 07:47.00 | troubled | probably fine then |
| 07:47.18 | lolwatt | i rem the openssl thig heh |
| 07:47.35 | troubled | either way, joe blow off the street aint gonna be able to break your crypto, and thats all that matters |
| 07:47.57 | lolwatt | no i need moar lol |
| 07:48.13 | troubled | im sure there are plenty of tempest methods to get your passwords that are far better than trying to brute force anything :) |
| 07:48.28 | lolwatt | ill spray conductibe paint heh |
| 07:48.30 | adimit | lolwatt: premature optimization is the root of all evil. that's valid not only in programming. |
| 07:48.40 | lolwatt | o rly? |
| 07:48.49 | troubled | conductable paint? Wouldn't just just make things worse? heh |
| 07:49.06 | troubled | your wall would just become one big antenna, no? |
| 07:49.12 | lolwatt | ill ground it |
| 07:49.14 | lolwatt | lol |
| 07:49.25 | troubled | thats the weak link then ;) |
| 07:49.56 | troubled | they say that you can tell when a cpu is generating keys and such based on power usage or something along those lines |
| 07:50.20 | lolwatt | or playing diablo :P |
| 07:50.25 | troubled | that may have just been rsa keys though that were bad for that kind of attack. not really my field so *shrug* |
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| 07:50.52 | lolwatt | i duno, timing and power attacks have been used on symetric |
| 07:51.00 | lolwatt | practical ones too |
| 07:51.15 | troubled | well, if you got $$$ for the gear and a year of college, possibly :) |
| 07:51.42 | troubled | well, maybe 2, since the first year always seems like a bit of a joke ;) |
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| 07:52.27 | lolwatt | run online ups with an isolation transformer to the wall :P |
| 07:52.35 | troubled | lolwatt: you try the lenny installer yet? I hear that its alot better, and even has a built in luks recovery option now |
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| 07:53.00 | lolwatt | yea i got into my luks with that the other day |
| 07:53.05 | lolwatt | forgot root pass heh |
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| 07:53.26 | troubled | heh, well, you can always init=/bin/bash, to get around that one |
| 07:53.26 | d-b | what ? ... luks recovery ... |
| 07:53.28 | lolwatt | lenny is nice |
| 07:53.37 | lolwatt | yea / was in luks |
| 07:53.53 | troubled | d-b: aparently they have an option to mount luks volumes in the installer for recovery |
| 07:54.04 | lolwatt | it asked for my luks pw |
| 07:54.04 | d-b | what about use ? |
| 07:54.16 | d-b | as in can i use my existing luks ... for /home or foo |
| 07:54.31 | lolwatt | and / was in that partitionso i assume it works, i didnt browse around from the recovery sell though |
| 07:54.38 | troubled | d-b: oh, not sure about installing on existing luks. I would hope so though |
| 07:54.55 | d-b | ^^ they were also going to add the remote unlock script i thought... |
| 07:54.59 | lolwatt | just had to change my root heh |
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| 07:56.19 | lolwatt | still get the occational red fail during install, but ive got that on etch as well |
| 07:57.07 | lolwatt | one time a fresh install went crazy on first or second boot too, but it works 99% of the time |
| 07:57.08 | troubled | drivers? |
| 07:57.32 | lolwatt | itsusually cups or something, something different last time.. |
| 07:57.52 | lolwatt | but ive had install go fine then go wild on first boot, crapflooding terminal w/ errors |
| 07:58.04 | bender183 | why is cups a dependency of so many things |
| 07:58.18 | bender183 | complains |
| 07:58.26 | lolwatt | if you can get it to install and going ok deb is usally ok from there |
| 07:58.45 | cupsfrog | pets bender183 |
| 07:58.52 | bender183 | gads. |
| 07:58.56 | cupsfrog | hehe |
| 07:59.30 | cupsfrog | how are thing in ##fail ? |
| 07:59.41 | bender183 | careful thats cupsfrog is really a lprfog |
| 07:59.44 | cupsfrog | heh |
| 07:59.57 | bender183 | i gave up my ops cupsfrog |
| 08:00.03 | cupsfrog | oh really |
| 08:00.05 | bender183 | yes |
| 08:00.07 | cupsfrog | things gone to hell? |
| 08:00.13 | bender183 | pretty much |
| 08:00.17 | cupsfrog | geez |
| 08:00.24 | cupsfrog | only a matter of time,k i knew it |
| 08:00.46 | cupsfrog | i blame aksis! |
| 08:00.50 | bender183 | other people vowed to go with me |
| 08:00.55 | bender183 | but they didnt |
| 08:01.03 | bender183 | people love power ;) |
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| 08:01.05 | cupsfrog | maybe swoolley will learn hes not wanted there |
| 08:01.11 | bender183 | i dont care for the drama |
| 08:01.15 | cupsfrog | yea |
| 08:01.47 | cupsfrog | i havent talked to maha lately |
| 08:01.57 | hyper_ch | hi there, I have my little homeserver and I thought a raid-1 would be good in case one disk fails... I read now this here http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html and as far as I understand, this can be implemented after the system is setup, is that rigth? |
| 08:02.37 | troubled | no need to bring drama to #debian. especially drama from another channel |
| 08:03.20 | bender183 | yeah cupsfrog |
| 08:03.26 | bender183 | stop bringing drama in here |
| 08:03.44 | cupsfrog | lol |
| 08:04.14 | troubled | hyper_ch: yes, software raid can be setup afterword if you know what youre doin |
| 08:04.33 | troubled | hyper_ch: and have all the disk drives empty and ready to be setup for raid |
| 08:04.57 | hyper_ch | troubled: is there any problem when using encrypted filesystems? I have fully encrypted the install |
| 08:05.21 | troubled | hyper_ch: hope you dont get any bad sectors ;) |
| 08:05.31 | ntfsfrogs | / on luks works fine for me |
| 08:05.37 | ntfsfrogs | easy from install |
| 08:05.50 | hyper_ch | ntfsfrogs: use use software raid with luks? |
| 08:05.58 | ntfsfrogs | oh not raid |
| 08:06.03 | troubled | havent tried raid with luks though |
| 08:06.22 | troubled | would be doubly hard on performance though for writes |
| 08:06.38 | ntfsfrogs | overhead isnt that bad |
| 08:06.51 | troubled | encryption would give cpu overhead, and then more on top for mirroring the data and calculating parity info for raid5 |
| 08:06.56 | ntfsfrogs | leasr not on single drives |
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| 08:07.00 | troubled | ya, not with today's cpu's heh |
| 08:07.32 | ntfsfrogs | luks is comperable with windows' performance with truecrypt, ive tested with 40GB copies |
| 08:07.49 | hyper_ch | troubled: would hardware raid-1 be better with encrypted drives? |
| 08:07.50 | troubled | all comes down to the algo's really |
| 08:08.11 | troubled | i doubt the truecrypt algo's are implemented any better than the luks ones |
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| 08:09.05 | troubled | hyper_ch: I like hardware raid just since it simplyfies things a bit. but you need to consider that if a mobo dies or raid card, a replacement not of exact same model may not be able to read the drives |
| 08:09.09 | hyper_ch | well, I get normally from luks-dmcrypt --> truecrypt (usb 2.0) a write speed of 20mb/s |
| 08:09.19 | troubled | hyper_ch: not a problem with software though |
| 08:10.05 | ntfsfrogs | im just wonderig how luks derives its actual key, i only use it from the os s etup, no fancy manual luks setup |
| 08:10.06 | hyper_ch | troubled: hmmm..... did you read that tldp howto? |
| 08:10.25 | troubled | hyper_ch: not recently, but ive been through it in the past |
| 08:10.37 | troubled | not really up on the linux software raid stuff |
| 08:11.00 | ilaiho | Virtualbox-OSE is still broken. |
| 08:11.02 | hyper_ch | troubled: if you could have a look just now, in that software raid setup only partitions get mirrored... can't you just mirror a whole disk? |
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| 08:11.18 | ilaiho | It's kernel module is older than the app. |
| 08:11.40 | ilaiho | The bug has been marked to solved with nothing done. |
| 08:11.58 | ilaiho | This is just not the way to deal with bugs. |
| 08:12.15 | troubled | ntfsfrogs: i know I use the recommended openssl's gen-ssl-key script (which is why I had to redo some of my volumes made with it) |
| 08:12.58 | troubled | # script to generate a keyfile that is encrypted with openssl |
| 08:13.01 | ntfsfrogs | ive got current install isos |
| 08:13.55 | troubled | hyper_ch: give it a shot. its a block device either way *shrug* |
| 08:14.06 | hyper_ch | troubled: :) |
| 08:14.28 | ilaiho | maybe i should switch to Slackware or something |
| 08:14.33 | troubled | that or wait around for someone that has tried it and knows the answer ;) |
| 08:15.00 | troubled | ilaiho: or package it yourself heh |
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| 08:15.20 | troubled | no reason you cant just install to /usr/local etc |
| 08:15.47 | troubled | the local stuff is first in the $PATH for a reason after all |
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| 08:18.10 | ilaiho | troubled: it works well with Sun's own repository |
| 08:18.37 | ilaiho | This just can't be so difficult |
| 08:18.38 | troubled | then just use sun's repo? |
| 08:19.02 | ilaiho | troubled: it is not the way of Debian to deal to bugs |
| 08:19.07 | ilaiho | bugs should be fixed |
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| 08:19.37 | ilaiho | this is Soviet Union way to deal with problems, not Debian. |
| 08:19.41 | troubled | sure, but if its stable, anything short of a security fix gets held off until the next r release |
| 08:19.54 | ilaiho | It is testing |
| 08:20.11 | ilaiho | I am bit angry |
| 08:20.14 | ilaiho | and for a good reason |
| 08:20.21 | troubled | were in freeze for testing now though :/ |
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| 08:20.55 | troubled | but if its a bug, im guessing it will be fixed before they release |
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| 08:21.37 | troubled | even better, submit a patch! :) |
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| 08:29.35 | ilaiho | troubled: I think that a problem wich renders two packages completely useless is a bug |
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| 08:30.26 | troubled | ilaiho: sure, but my understanding is that new version wouldn't be allowed, only backporting the fix from the version that works |
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| 08:31.16 | troubled | ie: if App-v1.0.1 is broken, but App-v1.2.0 works, they could only backport the patch to fix the bug, not add anything new |
| 08:31.44 | troubled | ilaiho: is a bug filled against the package yet? |
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| 08:36.31 | ilaiho | troubled: it is that package virtualbox-ose is upgraded to a new version |
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| 08:36.39 | ilaiho | but virtualbox-ose-modules isn't |
| 08:37.08 | ilaiho | so the two packages are incompatible |
| 08:37.20 | ilaiho | and neither works |
| 08:37.29 | troubled | is there a bug filled against the modules package yet? |
| 08:37.56 | ilaiho | troubled: No, only virtualbox-ose |
| 08:38.02 | ilaiho | not the modules package |
| 08:38.30 | troubled | whats the bug #? |
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| 08:40.11 | ilaiho | troubled: It is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502346 |
| 08:40.44 | ilaiho | and closed by a person who apparently hasn't even tested the app |
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| 08:41.44 | troubled | ilaiho: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502375 suggests you use m-a to build your own kernel module |
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| 08:44.57 | troubled | ilaiho: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/1499 suggest that there could be a problem if you are mixing and matching 32bit and 64bit kernel and vbox. does that apply to you? |
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| 08:46.36 | ilaiho | troubed: I am not mixing anything |
| 08:46.40 | troubled | ilaiho: also see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502375#97 which was from Nov. 9 and states that the change takes 10 days to get included in testing |
| 08:46.43 | ilaiho | I just installed virtualbox-ose |
| 08:48.10 | ilaiho | troubled: Okay. |
| 08:48.16 | ilaiho | I wait a few days. |
| 08:48.20 | ilaiho | Thank you! |
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| 08:48.52 | troubled | ilaiho: be sure to read all the thread in the http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502375 bug. might help |
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| 08:56.05 | anddam | hello |
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| 08:56.13 | ilaiho | it is not kernel <-> module |
| 08:56.24 | ilaiho | it is module <-> application |
| 08:56.39 | ilaiho | m-a does not help |
| 08:57.25 | troubled | file a bug report then and see what Daniel has to say about it |
| 08:57.30 | troubled | or email him |
| 08:57.54 | ilaiho | troubled: Now it works |
| 08:58.01 | ilaiho | I unprobed and probed the module |
| 08:58.04 | troubled | :) |
| 08:58.08 | ilaiho | sorry |
| 08:58.13 | ilaiho | thank you! |
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| 08:58.20 | troubled | thank yourself, you figure it out heh |
| 08:58.37 | troubled | i don't even know wtf vbox is heh |
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| 09:05.35 | ReKlipz1 | I'm having problems getting audio from flash apps in iceweasel. I'm running debian lenny amd64, and i am using the digital output from my soundcard, which works fine with mplayer and vlc and the like. |
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| 09:13.59 | anddam | I've got a box connected to internet via eth, the box has 1 pci wifi nic too and I have two laptops. I'd like to let the laptop reach internet through the pci wifi card but I'm a little confused |
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| 09:14.12 | anddam | should I use Ad-Hoc or Master mode? |
| 09:14.17 | anddam | I'm reading iwconfig man page |
| 09:14.36 | medc | one question i have a file 150 Mb and i need to compress really down.....what do you recomend????? |
| 09:14.53 | ReKlipz1 | anddam: you'll need to look into natting and setting up routing tables |
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| 09:15.57 | anddam | rektide: no, this is a wifi issue atm |
| 09:16.25 | anddam | rektide: not meant for you |
| 09:16.29 | medc | one question i have a file 150 Mb and i need to compress really down.....what do you recomend????? |
| 09:16.32 | huangfei | is there a way to list services in a specific runlevel? update-rc.d can only modify? |
| 09:16.50 | anddam | medc: lzma probably |
| 09:17.00 | anddam | medc: not much gain compared to gzip or bzip2 tho' |
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| 09:17.24 | anddam | huangfei: you could list rcX.d/S* |
| 09:17.34 | Nigromante | hello world |
| 09:17.34 | troubled | huangfei: ls /etc/rc#.d/, where # is your runlvl |
| 09:17.59 | medc | anddam, do you think it will be enough to compress up to 100 mb at least? |
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| 09:18.17 | troubled | medc: bzip2 is pretty standard and works fine |
| 09:18.29 | anddam | medc: it depends on actual data |
| 09:18.31 | anddam | unpredictable |
| 09:18.40 | troubled | medc: depends on the content really. media files aren't gonna get much smaller than they already are from the codec |
| 09:18.51 | anddam | troubled: lzma should compress a little more, higher compression time tho' |
| 09:18.53 | huangfei | anddam: tks, but I think the tool should have something to "show" for me like rc-update in gentoo |
| 09:18.55 | medc | troubled, bzip2=bz2??? |
| 09:18.59 | troubled | ya |
| 09:19.15 | troubled | bzip2 generally gives slightly better compression than gzip |
| 09:19.22 | anddam | huangfei: I don't know gentoo and I'm not a debian developer, sry |
| 09:19.44 | anddam | medc: there's always a tradeoff between time/compression ratio |
| 09:19.52 | anddam | it's your choice |
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| 09:20.15 | troubled | havent had much experience with the 7zip stuff though, but i hear its good |
| 09:21.09 | dajero | I am trying to install linux on a old notebook(only wireless is available, no ethernet, no CD-ROM, no booting from USB) and I'd still like to install Debian. Is there any way of doing this? |
| 09:21.45 | troubled | wth kind of notebook only has wireless lol |
| 09:21.54 | medc | anddam, i have a presentation slide but i guess the image are too high resol, there is a way to massive change the resolution? |
| 09:22.07 | dajero | troubled, a notebook that did not came with any form of networking at all and to which I added wireless using a USB stick ;) |
| 09:22.13 | huangfei | anddam,troubled thanks for your help. |
| 09:22.20 | troubled | let me guess, the laptop has no vowel keys either? :) |
| 09:22.25 | troubled | huangfei: np, gl! |
| 09:22.36 | dajero | troubled, it's an old 10.4" Sony Vaio |
| 09:22.42 | dajero | pretty cool |
| 09:22.49 | dajero | it's running windows 98 atm |
| 09:22.53 | troubled | sounds like a piece of junk if you ask me heh |
| 09:22.57 | dajero | aah no |
| 09:23.21 | medc | anddam, i have a presentation slide but i guess the image are too high resol, there is a way to massive change the resolution? |
| 09:23.30 | troubled | dajero: so you do have usb? |
| 09:23.44 | dajero | troubled, I do, but the bios does not support booting from it |
| 09:24.04 | troubled | dajero: but you can at least put files on the hard drive with it :) |
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| 09:24.15 | dajero | troubled, Yes :) |
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| 09:27.41 | dajero | troubled, I tried installing using the Debian-Installer loader from goodbye-microsoft.com. That doesn't support installation of wireless. I thought maybe I could use the same concept but then with extracted installation CD images? |
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| 09:29.10 | jogla | can i unpack a .deb file? |
| 09:29.35 | troubled | dajero: sure I suppose if you can put them on the drive somewhere that you can get at them from the installer |
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| 09:29.41 | troubled | jogla: try the "ar" command |
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| 09:31.55 | medc | there is a way to reduce the resolution of my image in my presentatio? |
| 09:32.37 | anddam | medc: "presentation" isn't a file format |
| 09:32.55 | troubled | medc: imagemagick? |
| 09:32.56 | anddam | and there's surely a way to reduce images size |
| 09:33.10 | troubled | medc: it has a "convert" program |
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| 09:33.48 | medc | troubled, but can i apply to my presentation in order to reduce the images that are inside?> |
| 09:34.19 | anddam | troubled: no, he has a single file from what I understood, and he'd like an auto-magic-shrink command |
| 09:34.30 | troubled | medc: *shrug* try convert the extracted copy and repaste it? |
| 09:34.34 | anddam | medc: what file is it? |
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| 09:35.51 | troubled | medc: just making them jpg's at a sane res like 800x600 would likely drop file sizes (assuming they are silly 4k pic's in PNG or BMP that are multiple MB each) |
| 09:35.51 | medc | an Powerpoint presentation, a lot of high resolution image inside and its like 150 mB.... and i need to send it |
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| 09:36.45 | medc | troubled, yep i know that procedure, but its like i am looking something more massive, like i have the presentation and a program that degrade my image resolution |
| 09:36.51 | troubled | sounds more like a powerpoint question to me though heh |
| 09:37.21 | medc | troubled, i made the file in openoffice but my "boss" use powerpoint |
| 09:37.29 | d-b | medc: ... ? |
| 09:37.41 | d-b | um openoffice can compress the pictures for you i believe. |
| 09:37.45 | troubled | tell him to download powerpoint |
| 09:37.50 | troubled | err openoffice :) |
| 09:38.07 | medc | troubled, i wish for sure, but he is like windowize |
| 09:38.26 | medc | d-b, yes but i use copy paste :\ |
| 09:38.30 | troubled | openoffice is on widows too. And the best part: It's FREE! |
| 09:38.39 | d-b | medc: export to a svg / swf i think the option is then.. |
| 09:38.52 | medc | d-b, svg? |
| 09:38.57 | d-b | sorry swf |
| 09:39.30 | troubled | kinda defeats the point of a slide presentation if its not in a format they need though |
| 09:40.01 | d-b | mmm it does i guess. medc so in powerpoint it looks bad ? |
| 09:40.20 | troubled | medc: is openoffice native file size okay, but the export to MS office big? |
| 09:40.56 | medc | troubled, i am now saving in ODP |
| 09:41.14 | medc | powerpicknose, can open ODP? |
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| 09:41.34 | troubled | medc: is the slideshow going to be displayed on a projector or a monitor? |
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| 09:41.54 | troubled | I doubt powerpoint can open odp |
| 09:41.57 | medc | monitor |
| 09:42.01 | medc | omg |
| 09:42.13 | medc | odp = 65m ppt = 145 mb :O |
| 09:42.37 | troubled | 65mb? thats alot of pics :) |
| 09:42.54 | troubled | what res are they? do you need that much detail? |
| 09:43.19 | troubled | no reason you shouldnt have 100k'ish pics with jpg |
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| 09:43.54 | Guerin | powerpointless is awful |
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| 09:44.17 | Guerin | unless your idiot company fdorces you to use it, present your thing in a pdf or html |
| 09:44.40 | medc | troubled, i wish i can run a tool on the presentation in order to lower the resolution |
| 09:44.42 | troubled | pdf would probably be a better idea |
| 09:45.03 | troubled | medc: try looking for an openoffice channel here and ask there |
| 09:45.22 | d-b | yeah medc um let me find the tool tho. |
| 09:45.25 | troubled | you probably should have converted them ahead of time though to be a uniform format and size |
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| 09:46.08 | medc | yeah |
| 09:46.24 | Guerin | medc: use imagemagick to make 'em all a sane size/shape/ |
| 09:46.27 | Guerin | etc. |
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| 09:47.06 | d-b | yeah join #openoffice.org or do what Guerin suggests. both should work. |
| 09:47.29 | medc | Guerin, i downloaded it, but i try to run it and does not show |
| 09:48.54 | Guerin | medc: read the documentation. It's phtoshop for the command line. |
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| 09:49.21 | troubled | medc: what doesn't show? You aren't trying to convert the odp file itself are you? |
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| 09:50.53 | medc | troubled, kinda |
| 09:51.15 | troubled | Guerin: he's all yours ;) |
| 09:52.04 | Guerin | hell no |
| 09:52.24 | Guerin | that degree of stupiditude is beyond even my immense powers |
| 09:52.29 | troubled | lol |
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| 09:59.23 | dajero | Right I am reading a lot about installing using hd-media, but nowhere can I find a clear description of what to do. Right now I've downloaded the hd-media files(vmlinuz, initrd.gz and boot.img.gz) and I am downloading the CD1 ISO. How do I then proceed to boot a regular installation from within windows 98? |
| 09:59.55 | Guerin | dajero: you have my condolences. |
| 10:00.04 | dajero | Guerin, thank you :) |
| 10:00.10 | Guerin | why on earth are you not just using d-i? |
| 10:00.10 | liable | dajero: dont have a cd drive? |
| 10:00.43 | troubled | he's one of those cases without network, dvd/cd, usb nor the vowel keys ;) |
| 10:00.49 | dajero | Guerin, liable, the old 10.4" Vaio doens't have a CD-ROM drive/floppy drive and no ethernet. I am completely reliant on the USB wireless stick I found lying about at my parent's place :) |
| 10:00.57 | dajero | that one works with linux |
| 10:00.58 | troubled | and probably a headless install too... ;) |
| 10:01.00 | dajero | no need for ndiswrapper |
| 10:01.17 | Guerin | dajero: take the hard drive out and reinstall |
| 10:01.36 | Guerin | i mean, stick it in another machine, reinstall, then stick it back in your vaio |
| 10:01.47 | Guerin | it's the least stupid way in the long run |
| 10:01.57 | liable | does goodbye windows work on 98? |
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| 10:02.10 | Guerin | might do |
| 10:02.11 | dajero | Guerin, yep thought about that. I don't have any device that can handle PATA harddisks here |
| 10:02.18 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:02.20 | dajero | liable, it does, provided you have an ethernet connection |
| 10:02.29 | Guerin | i don't have anything other than pata |
| 10:02.48 | liable | what kind of retarded manufacturer makes a laptop without ethernet? |
| 10:02.52 | Guerin | liable: sony |
| 10:02.56 | Guerin | duh |
| 10:03.02 | Guerin | toys, not tools :) |
| 10:03.08 | troubled | heh |
| 10:03.18 | Guerin | or you could say `toys FOR tools' :) |
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| 10:04.00 | troubled | he'd probably need an adaptor for the hd in that thing anyways, even if he had a pata system |
| 10:04.03 | dajero | but I have the feeling I am so close :) I'm able to boot into the installer from MS-DOS. The only problem is that it starts an installer that can only do a net-install over wired network |
| 10:04.03 | liable | dajero: cant get an elcheapo usb ethernet thing? |
| 10:04.25 | liable | d-i can install over wireless. |
| 10:04.30 | dajero | it can? :o |
| 10:04.45 | liable | which driver does your card use? |
| 10:04.45 | dajero | liable, I tried the one from goodbye-microsoft |
| 10:05.11 | liable | i dont know about goodbye-microsoft though |
| 10:05.19 | dajero | liable, which one where you thinking of? |
| 10:05.42 | troubled | well, technically it can install from a network period, so I guess the question is, does that installer have drivers for your usb wireless |
| 10:05.56 | liable | dajero: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html its very old now, but I guess it should still work |
| 10:07.02 | liable | dajero: i guess it doesnt boot from usb either? |
| 10:07.15 | troubled | liable: damn youre a good guesser! |
| 10:07.16 | dajero | liable, indeed :) |
| 10:07.40 | liable | troubled: he is giving rube goldberg a run for his money i think ;) |
| 10:07.49 | troubled | aye ;) |
| 10:08.02 | troubled | liable: thus my comment about the missing vowel keys heh |
| 10:08.20 | dajero | haha |
| 10:08.31 | dajero | I am sorry, I know this is crazy |
| 10:08.33 | troubled | I would bet money that the biggest usb stick he has wont hold even the smallest linux install needed either ;) |
| 10:09.26 | liable | hah |
| 10:09.49 | dajero | I have to feed the electrons one by one through the power adapter as well |
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| 10:10.05 | liable | dajero: which chipset does the wireless card have? |
| 10:10.09 | troubled | somehow im not surprised heh |
| 10:10.17 | dajero | hehe, liable, checking now :) |
| 10:10.46 | troubled | should be able to get a udeb made up manually with support for it I figure |
| 10:10.53 | jez9999 | Does anyone know of some good Linux-based mailing list software that is reasonable easy to administrate, and comes with a web interface so people can view the messages posted? |
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| 10:11.39 | troubled | jez9999: not sure about all your specs, but majordomo used to be popular |
| 10:12.36 | liable | or mailman |
| 10:12.45 | jez9999 | mailing list only |
| 10:12.46 | jez9999 | no web |
| 10:13.09 | troubled | try looking for a front end to them perhaps |
| 10:13.11 | dajero | well I managed to boot into the intaller and it starts searching for an ISO file, w00p |
| 10:13.15 | dajero | I guess I could use that :D |
| 10:13.26 | jez9999 | why? somebody MUST have written an integrated one by now |
| 10:13.56 | troubled | dajero: thats fine so long as you dont store the iso on a single partition that you are about to blow away. which means you need to shrink partitions and other stuff first |
| 10:13.56 | liable | the lenny version may work, if you tell us what chipset your wireless has |
| 10:14.20 | dajero | troubled, luckily it came with TWO sufficiently large partitions |
| 10:14.23 | dajero | life is good... :) |
| 10:15.08 | troubled | dajero: well, umsdos install was a fall back option heh :) |
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| 10:16.30 | dajero | now the only problem is I'll have to download the image at USB/1.1 speeds, so I guess I am going to take a shower, buy some groceries etc. |
| 10:16.36 | dajero | Thanks for your help :) It is appreciated |
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| 10:16.50 | troubled | dajero: cya next week |
| 10:17.33 | dajero | troubled, ofcourse I could also download the image on my normal laptop, then transfer the ISO via bluetooth to my mobile phone which can then send it to the Vaio over infrared :D |
| 10:18.00 | troubled | dajero: do it! You would make slashdot for sure ;) |
| 10:18.27 | liable | that would be quite an interesting thing to do actually |
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| 10:18.52 | Daejeo | :) |
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| 10:19.12 | Daejeo | Hello debian |
| 10:19.32 | troubled | new installer choice: "Install via infrared tunneled over bluetooth mobile phone" |
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| 10:20.04 | liable | heh |
| 10:20.13 | dajero | the possibilities are endless :) |
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| 10:20.58 | Daejeo | yesterday I installed DNS on my box. if i use my DNS , i can see domain names pointing to my machine, but if i use public dns then the domain does show my ip |
| 10:21.03 | Daejeo | :( |
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| 10:22.21 | Daejeo | any educated advise? |
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| 10:23.42 | dante_2core | Daejeo, you might need to rephrase your problem a bit |
| 10:23.57 | troubled | was thinking the same thing |
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| 10:25.15 | dante_2core | Daejeo, you mean that you installed a local dns server and that lets you resolve your own internal ips via domain names? but public dns doesn't? |
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| 10:25.40 | Daejeo | yes . it is working locally |
| 10:25.52 | dante_2core | well publicly known domains have to be bought and registered, you can't just register domains on the internet by installing your own server - if I understand your problem correctly |
| 10:26.06 | Daejeo | i want to use it publically |
| 10:26.30 | Daejeo | i do have a domain name |
| 10:26.39 | Daejeo | and ip address |
| 10:26.46 | troubled | Daejeo: whats the domain and ip it should be? |
| 10:27.16 | Daejeo | both are registered with registrar |
| 10:27.37 | troubled | did you setup dns views so they work internally by chance already? |
| 10:28.30 | Daejeo | i setup masterzone |
| 10:28.36 | Daejeo | let me show what i did |
| 10:29.00 | troubled | a good start would be to tell us the domain name and ip you expect |
| 10:29.08 | troubled | we'll go from there |
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| 10:31.58 | Daejeo | ah ok |
| 10:32.00 | Daejeo | http://www.badesha.info/ |
| 10:32.04 | dante_2core | Daejeo, double-checked that access to your local boxes is actually possible and not blocked by routers etc? |
| 10:32.37 | dante_2core | ping: unknown host http://www.badesha.info/ |
| 10:32.46 | troubled | Daejeo: and what ip are you expecting it to be? |
| 10:33.06 | troubled | Daejeo: i see a badesha trading co. web page |
| 10:33.24 | Daejeo | currently it is pointing to google server |
| 10:33.29 | Daejeo | but i will change |
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| 10:34.25 | troubled | then whats your problem? |
| 10:34.41 | troubled | if you "will" change it, then you haven't changed it yet, so how can there be dns problems? |
| 10:34.45 | Daejeo | what i want ns1.badesha.info |
| 10:34.59 | Daejeo | i did yesterday |
| 10:35.04 | Daejeo | but it did not work |
| 10:35.20 | dante_2core | afk |
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| 10:35.43 | Daejeo | i want to run a public dns |
| 10:35.46 | troubled | Daejeo: talk to your registrar for the domain and make sure its set to ns1 then |
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| 10:36.06 | Daejeo | I have a dns control |
| 10:36.39 | Daejeo | domainsite.com my registrar |
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| 10:37.03 | Daejeo | i added A entry point to my server |
| 10:37.05 | troubled | Daejeo: ns4.domainsite.com says www is 38.97.225.166 |
| 10:38.18 | troubled | Daejeo: so you set the ip properly in your dns at domainsite.com's nameservers, but you haven't set the domain to use the domainsite.com nameservers yet then? |
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| 10:39.33 | troubled | also, you are kind of hijacking ghs.google.com in your domainsite.com dns via a CNAME. you should just use an A record pointing to the ip rather than redefine googles domains |
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| 10:40.04 | Daejeo | alright |
| 10:40.10 | troubled | real --> ghs.l.google.com. 300 IN A 72.14.207.121 |
| 10:40.20 | troubled | yours -> ghs.google.com. 300 IN A 38.97.225.166 |
| 10:41.03 | cammoblammo | I see that etckeeper integrates with apt. Does it also integrate with aptitude? |
| 10:41.28 | troubled | ghs.google.com being a CNAME to a few round robin, ghs.l.google.com being randomly picked for me |
| 10:41.33 | Daejeo | If I want to run my own dns. do I need a register domain name and a static ip. what else do I need ? |
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| 10:42.27 | troubled | Daejeo: multiple static ips and an isp that doesn't firewall your dns. and probably a UPS and some redundant servers (dns slaves) |
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| 10:42.59 | troubled | although, a single static ip would do, but any time you are offline, nobody would be able to resolve your dns servers |
| 10:43.36 | Daejeo | i have two ips, but one i am using with windows shit |
| 10:43.42 | troubled | I advise against running your own dns though if you can help it |
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| 10:45.22 | troubled | any time you need a new zone or host in dns, just login to your dns panel at domainsite.com and add it. running dns sanely and securely takes a bit of reading and setup |
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| 10:46.46 | CaT[t3] | hey. how can I accidentally fragged my mbr and now grub can't get itself going. how can I rewrite it so that grub knows where to look? |
| 10:47.14 | troubled | namely, you would probably want to restrict zone transfers and recursive lookups and limit queries to only your domain, else you will get your cache poisoned if you depend on it for dns for your other machines |
| 10:47.26 | e81 | Daejeo: install windows dns :) |
| 10:47.30 | e81 | and run it is sec dns |
| 10:47.37 | troubled | slaps e81 |
| 10:47.39 | bender183 | roflhelipad |
| 10:47.40 | e81 | :o |
| 10:47.51 | e81 | hides |
| 10:47.55 | Daejeo | e81: really? |
| 10:48.11 | e81 | no, i was kiddin, sorry |
| 10:48.38 | troubled | Daejeo: you could use a windows server dns as a slave though |
| 10:48.54 | SPF | CaT[t3]: boot from cd, mount the filesystem and re-configure grub |
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| 10:49.04 | Daejeo | troubled: right |
| 10:49.13 | troubled | even our beloved root servers use different OS's to prevent an exploit from taking out the whole internet |
| 10:49.37 | bender183 | interesting how there are 13 root servers |
| 10:49.44 | CaT[t3] | spf: trying not to write to the rest of the fs and installing a system on another hd is what got my boot setup fragged int he first place. |
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| 10:50.58 | bender183 | CaT[t3]: boot from a livecd mount / and /boot chroot and re-install grub |
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| 10:54.36 | LimCore | [350785.384554] Xorg[2844]: segfault at 1b8 rip 541bc3 rsp 7fff83ff7630 error 4 <-- how to debug such Xorg crash? i.e. find more details |
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| 10:56.49 | troubled | LimCore: gdb perhaps? |
| 10:57.09 | LimCore | run Xorg in gdb? |
| 10:57.25 | troubled | LimCore: although, how much info you want/get would depend on what debug versions of stuff you have available |
| 10:57.33 | LimCore | well I would like to see what code, what function, is at this rip/rsp (I guess this is some address of code?) |
| 10:57.51 | troubled | LimCore: well, with gdb you can attach to already running processes as well |
| 10:58.16 | LimCore | mhmm |
| 10:58.17 | LimCore | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.17 | CaT[t3] | what's the format of the partition.map file? |
| 10:58.20 | troubled | LimCore: not sure with the "r" means, but IP usually means instruction point, and sp stack pointer |
| 10:58.29 | troubled | LimCore: 64bit or something? |
| 10:58.33 | LimCore | yes |
| 10:59.00 | LimCore | ok I will reproduce my bug after attaching gdb in console to the running xorg. bbl |
| 10:59.06 | troubled | might be naming convention for 64bit then. like eip was 32bit extended IP, vs. IP being just 16bit |
| 11:00.08 | troubled | I suppose I should have mentioned that he wont find filenames, line numbers and functions without debugging versions of everything :) |
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| 11:04.01 | CaT[t3] | thank you folks. just defucked my eee - was trying to install debian on an sd card |
| 11:04.25 | CaT[t3] | failed to notice the (hd0) before hitting enter during the install. :/ |
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| 11:05.02 | troubled | CaT[t3]: ah, grub map file format? |
| 11:05.26 | CaT[t3] | troubled: yeah, but it's cool, don't need it. |
| 11:06.07 | CaT[t3] | has to admit a particular intense dislike for grub. it has some nice features but its method of referring to devices is annoying. |
| 11:06.53 | troubled | you ever taken a loot at window boot.ini before? :) |
| 11:07.34 | CaT[t3] | :) |
| 11:07.48 | CaT[t3] | would you believe me if I told you I went from an amiga straight to linux? :) |
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| 11:08.45 | CaT[t3] | damn the sd card spring is amazingly strong on the eee. |
| 11:09.23 | troubled | eee? |
| 11:09.40 | CaT[t3] | asus eee |
| 11:09.47 | CaT[t3] | bought one. it's just lovely. :) |
| 11:09.50 | troubled | epc or somethin? |
| 11:09.54 | Guerin | !fgi troubled eee |
| 11:09.54 | dpkg | troubled: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=eee |
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| 11:10.25 | mhymn | nice factoid, very usable |
| 11:11.15 | mhymn | keeps it in his mind |
| 11:11.18 | CaT[t3] | the battery life on it is great. I get the advertised 8hrs on it. |
| 11:11.35 | bildpunkt | hey i want to start directly my window manager without loading a display manager. how can i achieve this? |
| 11:12.08 | CaT[t3] | if you have no display manager (I take it you mean X) how will your window manager display things? |
| 11:12.33 | troubled | !fgi mhymn fgi is okay if it handled spaces |
| 11:12.33 | dpkg | mhymn: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fgi is okay if it handled spaces |
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| 11:13.02 | bildpunkt | hmm. i thought gdm and xdm are called display managers, i have x installed |
| 11:13.20 | bildpunkt | instead of loading the login screen i want to load my wm |
| 11:13.22 | troubled | CaT[t3]: ya, ive seen a the pics of that thing. looks neat |
| 11:13.40 | mhymn | !fgi troubled fgi+is+okay+and+it+handles+spaces |
| 11:13.40 | dpkg | troubled: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fgi+is+okay+and+it+handles+spaces |
| 11:13.41 | CaT[t3] | bild: ah. I forgot about those :) |
| 11:14.06 | troubled | bildpunkt: in console just run "startx" then and see if that starts X at least |
| 11:14.09 | CaT[t3] | troubled: it is. I have the 901. |
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| 11:14.25 | troubled | bildpunkt: you will need to add your wm start command to your ~/.xinitrc though I believe |
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| 11:15.15 | troubled | mhymn: sure, if you don't mind all the +'s ;) ideally the bot needs a simple 2 or 3 line patch and module to do that for you though |
| 11:15.16 | bildpunkt | hm no i want x to start directly |
| 11:16.33 | troubled | bildpunkt: just setup the xdm/gdm/kdm to autologin then |
| 11:19.21 | bildpunkt | but i dont need *dm at all. another task running in the background. somewhere x does start *dm. this i want to replace with my wm |
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| 11:20.23 | valdyn | bildpunkt: you cant use linux without logging in, whats wrong with *dm doing the logging in for you |
| 11:20.23 | valdyn | bildpunkt: *something* has to do it. |
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| 11:22.18 | tuxcrafter | hello everybody, i want to add an deb repository with keys to my server so i can distribute debian packages with configuration files on my local netwerk to client system. Where can i find good info how to set this up? |
| 11:22.24 | bildpunkt | valdyn: hm loggin in is not needed. x already runs as root and root can su to my normal account. i found a guide explaining this on the web but cant find it anymore :/ |
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| 11:23.19 | valdyn | bildpunkt: how is using su better? |
| 11:23.50 | troubled | bildpunkt: well, it doesn't "run" in the background really, plus its all setup with logins with security in mind. but of course you could setup some custom init scripts to run an X session for you as a user of your choosing, but that would take some tinkering. Just use the display manager if you ask me |
| 11:23.59 | guysoft42 | hey, after upgrading to 2.6.26 my ibm thinkpad screen wont go blank when the lid is closed, did anyone experience this? |
| 11:25.05 | troubled | bildpunkt: should you feel like playing around though, all you seek is setup under /etc/X11/ in config files ala .ini style |
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| 11:26.01 | troubled | bildpunkt: you will find a file in there somewhere that defines _everything_ that happens when X starts. Ill leave it as an excercise to you to figure out though as I don't have the process committed to memory |
| 11:26.22 | troubled | bildpunkt: that or perhaps try googlin some tldp stuff on setting up a kiosk |
| 11:26.40 | bildpunkt | okay thank you |
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| 11:41.00 | CaT[t3] | time for attempt #2. hopefulyl I wont break anything THIS time :) |
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| 11:55.21 | XTZGZoReX | How do I run an application as another user when logged in as root? |
| 11:55.43 | ptman | XTZGZoReX: man su sudo |
| 11:55.43 | queuetue | XTZGZoReX, man su |
| 11:55.44 | norc_ | XTZGZoReX: sudo ? |
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| 11:55.51 | queuetue | Hi. During a postfix install, I botched it badly enough that I removed it and reissued an "apt-get install postfix" for some reason, the install is not creating /etc/init.d/postfix, and the install dies with "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/postfix: file does not exist" ... How do I force apt to reinstall that file? |
| 11:55.55 | XTZGZoReX | Well |
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| 11:56.00 | XTZGZoReX | I was wondering what the syntax is |
| 11:56.02 | JyZyXEL | whats the coolest way to echo interface IP-address? |
| 11:56.05 | norc_ | XTZGZoReX: man. |
| 11:56.06 | stew | queuetue: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 11:56.26 | JyZyXEL | i don't wanna regex the "ifconfig [interface]" |
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| 11:58.53 | queuetue | stew, Thanks. How does debian know that I've previously deleted files from packages that are removed? |
| 11:59.30 | ptman | JyZyXEL: i believe i read something by joey hess or someone else on planet debian, but can't find it right now |
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| 11:59.49 | stew | queuetue: by looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.conffiles |
| 11:59.59 | queuetue | stew, Thanks again. |
| 12:01.15 | JyZyXEL | ifconfig eth1 | grep 'inet addr:'| cut -d: -f2 | awk '{ print $1}' |
| 12:01.56 | XTZGZoReX | I'm trying to do: sudo -u username ./psybnc psybnc.conf, but it seems to ignore the "psybnc.conf" part. Why is this? |
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| 12:02.35 | ptman | Zeit|awy: quote the whole command line you are passing |
| 12:03.24 | ptman | Zeit|awy: sorry, I meant XTZGZoReX |
| 12:03.57 | XTZGZoReX | ptman: Then it says command not found. |
| 12:04.10 | XTZGZoReX | sudo: /home/psybnc/psybnc /home/psybnc/psybnc.conf: command not found |
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| 12:04.48 | LimCore | how to make a coredump of application pid 1234 |
| 12:04.56 | LimCore | preferrably without terminating it, if possible |
| 12:05.25 | ptman | XTZGZoReX: write the command in a script and run that or use su username -c 'command args' |
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| 12:05.41 | XTZGZoReX | ptman: Think I'll use the -c then, thanks |
| 12:05.49 | ptman | XTZGZoReX: like sudo -u username ./script |
| 12:05.57 | tziku | hello, i installed apache2 & php4, all is working but .swi files does not recognize. What i need to install or modify ? I'm using debian 4.0 |
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| 12:07.52 | XTZGZoReX | ptman: for some reason, my psybnc won't bind to its port when I run it through sudo -- I guess it's a bit unrelated, but do you have any clue? |
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| 12:08.35 | stew | XTZGZoReX: which port? |
| 12:08.43 | XTZGZoReX | stew: it's set to 433 |
| 12:08.46 | XTZGZoReX | 443* |
| 12:08.54 | stew | XTZGZoReX: right, only root can use ports < 1024 |
| 12:08.54 | ptman | XTZGZoReX: ports under 1024 are only for root |
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| 12:09.05 | XTZGZoReX | Can I by any means make other users use it? |
| 12:09.27 | stew | XTZGZoReX: the program would have to bind to the port first then drop privileges |
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| 12:09.41 | ptman | XTZGZoReX: i think there is a sysctl for it, but 8 don't remember the name |
| 12:10.01 | XTZGZoReX | Hm |
| 12:10.42 | ptman | or you can redirect it using iptables |
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| 12:11.33 | Octalot | capabilities(7) ; I've never used them, hopefully that will jog ptman's memories and he can fill in the bit that I don't know. |
| 12:11.34 | XTZGZoReX | ptman: How would I do that? |
| 12:12.32 | ptman | XTZGZoReX: google iptales redirect, I unfortunately don't remember |
| 12:12.43 | XTZGZoReX | ptman: mmk |
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| 12:14.05 | ptman | the sysctl must've been in some bsd, not linux |
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| 12:16.03 | XTZGZoReX | ptman: well, can I redirect ports via iptables so that when users connect on 443 they're redirected to port 4000 for instance? |
| 12:16.44 | ptman | XTZGZoReX: yes, you can, even to another host if you'd like |
| 12:17.14 | XTZGZoReX | ptman: wonderful, thanks |
| 12:17.44 | ptman | XTZGZoReX: #netfilter or #iptables cam help more |
| 12:18.40 | XTZGZoReX | Okay. |
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| 12:20.25 | dury | hi there channel |
| 12:20.26 | jez9999 | ** Syslog ** |
| 12:20.26 | jez9999 | ... Do not forget to edit syslog.conf |
| 12:20.27 | jez9999 | syslog: The syslog facility for sympa [LOCAL1] : |
| 12:20.29 | jez9999 | what is my syslog facility likely to be, and does LOCAL1 look right? |
| 12:21.55 | dury | does flash 10 pluginfor iceweasel work? |
| 12:22.38 | abrotman | works here |
| 12:23.15 | cahoot | am Icorrect in deducing iwl3945 doesn't support 802.11n? |
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| 12:23.52 | DefauLt | I was mixed up in an affair. In your opinion, which mail server should I use ? Postfix or James ? |
| 12:24.16 | abrotman | cahoot: it should |
| 12:24.28 | dury | abrotman: would conduct me to install it properly... if you have time? |
| 12:24.36 | abrotman | DefauLt: since i've never heard of James .. i'm going with postfix! |
| 12:24.53 | DefauLt | abrotman, James : james.apache.org |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | dury: /msg dpkg dmm .. there are packages there |
| 12:24.55 | cahoot | abrotman: ok seems to be a bit unstable here though |
| 12:25.10 | abrotman | DefauLt: stillw ouldn't help me really know if it's any good .. i've used postfix for years |
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| 12:26.09 | abrotman | cahoot: well, i can believe that |
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| 12:26.52 | cahoot | abrotman: just a matter of new and shiny thogh - so I'll wait |
| 12:26.57 | dury | abrotman: would conduct me to install it properly... if you have time? |
| 12:27.07 | abrotman | cahoot: it's not that new and shiny |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | dury: /msg dpkg dmm .. there are packages there |
| 12:27.22 | cahoot | abrotman: for me it is ;) |
| 12:27.23 | dury | sorry to repeat it |
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| 12:28.13 | dury | I just type /msg dpkg in terminal and not success |
| 12:28.16 | neoice | so if I need glibc 2.8 but cant switch from kernel .18, I'm pretty much screwed, huh |
| 12:28.22 | abrotman | !tell dury about dmm |
| 12:28.31 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to mount /var/cache as a tmpfs filesystem so it is automatically purged when I reboot? |
| 12:28.44 | abrotman | neoice: that's not somehting you just change willynilly |
| 12:28.58 | neoice | yeah, I'd need to pretty much upgrade the entire system. |
| 12:29.14 | stew | neoice: why do you need glibc 2.8 ? |
| 12:29.16 | neoice | and 2.8 is only in experimental. and no thank you. |
| 12:29.22 | neoice | I have a binary app that requires it |
| 12:29.29 | abrotman | a game? |
| 12:29.37 | stew | neoice: recompile it against your current system |
| 12:29.50 | neoice | yeah, its the steam dedicated server actually |
| 12:29.54 | neoice | soooo no source. |
| 12:29.56 | neoice | yay |
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| 12:34.06 | dury | abrotman: maybe you misunderstand me what I want to or I didn't understand about dmm... the thing is that I want to install flash plugin in iceweasel... that's all |
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| 12:34.55 | abrotman | dury: yes .. i know .. |
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| 12:35.58 | cirwin | I cannot install the "wine" package, as it depends on libldap2 which is deprecated in favour of libldap-2.4-2 how do I get round this problem? |
| 12:36.08 | Roland- | help pls: 1st: I have some missing fonts how do I see which ones, and second how do I configure startup scripts ? |
| 12:36.52 | Jemt | cirwin: 'apt-get install wine' should work. Have you modified your apt-get sources.list file ? |
| 12:36.56 | cirwin | Roland-: sudo apt-cache search ttf.*will give you some |
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| 12:37.10 | dury | abrotman: I prefer to install it by hand... I would appreciate if you could help me to do that |
| 12:37.23 | abrotman | dury: then just get the .tar.gz from adobe.com and install it |
| 12:37.31 | cirwin | Jemt: ah, yes |
| 12:37.39 | cirwin | I fogot that I added the wine repos there manually |
| 12:37.40 | Roland- | I don't want to load the system with unwanted fonts, I need only the basic ones. |
| 12:37.43 | cirwin | thanks |
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| 12:37.47 | Jemt | cirwin: Welcome :) |
| 12:38.09 | cirwin | Roland-: that will give you a list of the sets of fonts you can install |
| 12:38.11 | azzouz | Hello. My Debian install block on the 'fomat disk' process. The disk is new (first install). Any idea ? |
| 12:38.14 | cirwin | just get the ones you wan |
| 12:38.14 | cirwin | t |
| 12:38.21 | Gutek_ | Roland-: install ms-core-fonts |
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| 12:38.53 | Roland- | alright I will now how do I configure startup scripts ? |
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| 12:39.06 | abrotman | Gutek_: how is that "wanted" fonts ? |
| 12:39.11 | Gutek_ | Roland-: sorry packet is named ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 12:39.28 | Roland- | do you have gnome ? |
| 12:39.43 | Roland- | could you pls paste me your installed fonts to check on ? |
| 12:40.07 | Gutek_ | abrotman: download and unpack then into /home/user/.fonts |
| 12:40.24 | abrotman | Gutek_: he says he doesn't want extra fonts. .. why would he install more? |
| 12:40.36 | Roland- | no I am missing some basic ones |
| 12:40.45 | Roland- | you see when I go to messenger.yahoo.com |
| 12:40.55 | Roland- | the login button is blank also the textboxes |
| 12:40.57 | dury | abrotman: I'm going to try ... |
| 12:41.02 | dury | bbl |
| 12:41.06 | dury | byee |
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| 12:41.52 | ilaiho | There is a bug in Lenny's ktechlab |
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| 12:42.24 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 12:42.25 | dpkg | somebody said reportbug was used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting Ask me about <report-bugs>. |
| 12:43.02 | Jemt | I have the following folders as tmpfs: /var/log, /var/run, /tmp, /var/lock, /etc/network/run. I know that it may cause problems when installing MySQL and Apache, as they store logs and .pid files in some of these folders. But a general desktop installation seems to run fine. Can any of you point out problems to this solution? And is it possible to mount more folders as tmpfs - ie /var/cache ? I would like as many folders to be purged when reboot |
| 12:43.02 | Jemt | ing, to save space on my USB Flash device installation. |
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| 12:45.23 | dury | hi there again channel :) |
| 12:45.30 | abrotman | hides |
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| 12:46.34 | dury | abrotman: what's the installation path for iceweasel? |
| 12:46.56 | dury | is it /usr/lib/iceweasel |
| 12:47.13 | abrotman | dury: just copy the .so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 12:47.22 | Jemt | dury: There is no such thing as "Installation path" in Linux. Different kinds of files are stored different places |
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| 12:48.58 | Jemt | dury: Ie libraries are stored in a library folder, documentation in another folder and so on. It makes it easier to reuse components. Unfortunately it also makes a clean up process quite a bit harder. But fortunately we have great programs for managing installed software (ie aptitude) |
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| 12:51.44 | ilaiho | abrotman: it is reported already |
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| 12:52.56 | abrotman | ilaiho: not much you can do then other that provide more information |
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| 12:54.18 | dury | abrotman: did copy as you said but not success |
| 12:54.34 | abrotman | dury: this is why i said to use the packages |
| 12:54.34 | dury | iceweasel still missing that plugin |
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| 12:54.56 | Jemt | What package manager is used by the update-notifier application? Aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 12:55.31 | dury | apt-get |
| 12:55.42 | abrotman | Jemt: you could .. look at the dependencies ? |
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| 12:56.30 | Jemt | That just it - I can't see aptitude OR apt-get on the list of dependencies |
| 12:56.51 | Jemt | There is something called python-apt |
| 12:57.06 | abrotman | python-apt |
| 12:57.15 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'v got a simple question : I'v got an nvidia card (GForce 9200GM), if I don't want to use proprietary driver, can I still use my HDMI output with nvtv for example ? |
| 12:57.54 | XTZGZoReX | How do I delete a NAT iptables entry? |
| 12:58.33 | Jemt | Is there a solution available for aptitude instead? I would like a better package manager to be used, in order to manage dependencies properly when ie uninstalling |
| 12:58.36 | HNT | XTZGZoReX : iptables -t nat -D rule_num |
| 12:59.23 | HNT | sorry, you might add your chain, eg. POSTROUTING (so : iptables -t nat -D chain rule_num) |
| 12:59.32 | XTZGZoReX | HNT: Thanks :) |
| 12:59.38 | HNT | np |
| 12:59.58 | XTZGZoReX | Oh wait |
| 13:00.02 | XTZGZoReX | How do I get my rule number again? |
| 13:00.26 | HNT | you want to insert another rule in that place ? |
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| 13:01.00 | simNIX | then he has you on block |
| 13:01.07 | HNT | you can use iptables -t nat -I chain rule_number ... then your rule |
| 13:01.07 | XTZGZoReX | HNT: No, I actually just want to clear my iptables completely :P |
| 13:01.09 | simNIX | (oops wrond windows |
| 13:01.14 | simNIX | disregard |
| 13:01.15 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: ask #iptables |
| 13:01.22 | Spee_Der | Anyone here IPv6 smart please ? |
| 13:01.33 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: they just point me at the manual without even telling me which chapter to read =[ |
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| 13:02.09 | HNT | iptables -Fiptables -X |
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| 13:02.22 | Spee_Der | My kernel is IPv6 capable as is Movie Player, but the multicast stream I listen to keeps dropping. |
| 13:02.30 | XTZGZoReX | iptables v1.4.1.1: Can't use -X with -F |
| 13:02.48 | HNT | one time you use -X, then restart with -F |
| 13:03.37 | XTZGZoReX | HNT: is my chain name "nat", by chance? |
| 13:03.46 | HNT | -F flush the selected chain (by default, all if none is given) |
| 13:04.11 | HNT | there is a lot of information in man iptables |
| 13:04.35 | HNT | nat is a table, not a chain |
| 13:04.35 | XTZGZoReX | mm |
| 13:05.26 | HNT | anyway, man iptables will provide you lot's of information for that kind of manipulations |
| 13:06.26 | XTZGZoReX | HNT: got it. thanks. |
| 13:06.39 | HNT | you are welcome |
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| 13:09.42 | ilaiho | It is probably the same bug as: http://www.mail-archive.com/ktechlab-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00271.html |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: ask #iptables |
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| 13:10.08 | rwaw | why do my native linux games (opengl) run slower then games emulated in wine? |
| 13:10.27 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: I already got my answer, and as said, they aren't that helpful at all |
| 13:10.33 | ilaiho | rwaw: they are maybe not very well optimized code |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | has gotten good help there before |
| 13:11.13 | rwaw | ilaiho: well i am running quake2 nativly, and i cn bearly play it, and alice in wonderland (quake3engine) works fine |
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| 13:11.21 | rwaw | but openarena does not work, chopps too much |
| 13:11.41 | rwaw | it does not make sense, i must be missin some fundamental information about 3dgraphics in linux |
| 13:11.58 | ilaiho | rwaw: what graphics card do you use? |
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| 13:12.02 | rwaw | i have a X3100 |
| 13:12.05 | rwaw | built in one |
| 13:12.12 | rwaw | not very good, but i cna play farcry in windows |
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| 13:12.34 | miksuh_ | openarena runs just fine here: amd 64x2 3800+, radeon 9250, 2GB ram |
| 13:12.35 | ilaiho | rwaw: strange |
| 13:12.50 | rwaw | and alot of games, anyway i dont care if the drivers are worse in linux, but i would like it to work and atleast play enemy territory or whatever |
| 13:12.56 | rwaw | it works fine in windows |
| 13:13.02 | miksuh_ | on debian |
| 13:13.05 | miksuh_ | here |
| 13:13.13 | rwaw | so its not my graphiccard that sucks |
| 13:13.34 | rwaw | how many frames should i have with glxgears |
| 13:13.47 | rwaw | 1958 frames in 5.0 seconds = 387.795 FPS |
| 13:13.48 | ilaiho | rwaw: what disro? what version? |
| 13:13.51 | miksuh_ | ah, i meant that openarena, not enemy territory, it's awhilw i played that last time |
| 13:13.52 | rwaw | sid |
| 13:13.53 | bolt | glxgears is not a performance test |
| 13:14.01 | rwaw | i know bolt |
| 13:14.03 | miksuh_ | typos |
| 13:14.10 | rwaw | but its really low |
| 13:14.13 | bolt | also, sid is not supported here |
| 13:14.18 | rwaw | oh |
| 13:14.28 | rwaw | i did not know that :( i am sorry |
| 13:14.54 | rwaw | i used to have the same problem before thouh |
| 13:14.58 | rwaw | when iwas running lenny |
| 13:15.08 | abrotman | less enter key |
| 13:15.27 | abrotman | rwaw: which video card? which driver? |
| 13:15.35 | rwaw | X3100 - intel driver |
| 13:15.51 | abrotman | did you 'man intel' to see if 3d is supported for that card? |
| 13:16.00 | rwaw | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) |
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| 13:16.33 | ilaiho | debian lenny has became only more buggy |
| 13:16.41 | abrotman | ilaiho: then go file more bugs |
| 13:16.42 | ilaiho | it should not be released soon |
| 13:16.46 | abrotman | ilaiho: then go file more bugs |
| 13:17.04 | ilaiho | abrotman: most of them are filed |
| 13:17.11 | abrotman | then help fix them |
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| 13:17.23 | ilaiho | abrotman: I am not a computer programmer |
| 13:17.32 | abrotman | then i guess you get to wait |
| 13:17.53 | Lagbolt | heh |
| 13:17.59 | bolt | :D |
| 13:18.03 | ilaiho | but i'd like to advice yours to not release it too soon |
| 13:18.18 | neoice | anyone have experience using tsocks? |
| 13:18.25 | neoice | specifically with firefox? |
| 13:18.26 | abrotman | ilaiho: you're talking to the wrong people |
| 13:18.33 | rwaw | yeah dude, socks are great i love the fuzzy warm ones i wear around xmas |
| 13:19.01 | bolt | Lagbolt: Ping reply from Lagbolt: 0.80 second(s). Fitting name. |
| 13:19.02 | bolt | :) |
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| 13:19.09 | abrotman | ilaiho: very few people are Debian Developers .. or even package maintainers |
| 13:19.57 | abrotman | don't think there's a single RM in this channel ... |
| 13:20.03 | rwaw | could someone explain to me why some applictions runnin 3d would go alot faster then others? |
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| 13:20.17 | rwaw | like fsater in wine then native |
| 13:20.21 | bolt | all the packages I like are already maintained well enough :/ |
| 13:20.28 | neoice | rwaw: less OS overhead. |
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| 13:20.34 | neoice | windows is huge. |
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| 13:20.41 | rwaw | neoice: |
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| 13:20.41 | rwaw | ? |
| 13:20.48 | abrotman | rwaw: did you read the intel manpage yet? |
| 13:20.57 | rwaw | abrotman: yes i have read it before |
| 13:21.04 | abrotman | and you have 3d for your card? |
| 13:21.07 | compengi | has python 2.6 package been released in debian unstable/experimental |
| 13:21.09 | rwaw | yes i have it |
| 13:21.14 | rwaw | but not through the intel card |
| 13:21.16 | rwaw | sorry |
| 13:21.18 | rwaw | driver |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:21.20 | bolt | I would like to help out maintaining something, but I wouldn't want to work on maintaining something I don't use |
| 13:21.42 | abrotman | bolt: that's possible .. or you can take something that has been orphaned .. or something RFPed |
| 13:21.45 | rwaw | abrotman: you should read up on mesa |
| 13:22.00 | abrotman | gives up |
| 13:22.07 | neoice | lulz |
| 13:23.01 | abrotman | bolt: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 13:23.17 | abrotman | bolt: some people even ask for assistance with the packages |
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| 13:25.41 | Lagbolt | ah cool. |
| 13:26.24 | Lagbolt | abrotman, is their a site that lists the requirements to be involved in these things. . . .e.g. being a maintainer |
| 13:26.44 | bolt | abrotman: thanks. i'll look through that and see if there's anything i'm familiar with :) |
| 13:26.47 | abrotman | Lagbolt: you can maintain a package without being a DD if you can find a sponsor |
| 13:27.01 | abrotman | bolt: i see "apache2" there :) |
| 13:27.31 | Lagbolt | abrotman, i see. always wanted to find a way to help out. i will have to read up a bit and see what i can offer |
| 13:27.41 | compengi | has python 2.6 package been released in debian unstable/experimental? |
| 13:27.48 | abrotman | Lagbolt: you would read the docs on how to create a package, and then use something like mentors.debian.net to find a sponsor |
| 13:27.55 | abrotman | compengi: packages.debian.org will tell you |
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| 13:28.18 | Lagbolt | excellent |
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| 13:29.02 | compengi | abrotman, argh.. |
| 13:29.08 | abrotman | argh ? |
| 13:29.09 | compengi | not yet :/ |
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| 13:29.17 | abrotman | aye matey! |
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| 13:29.51 | compengi | abrotman, i see only python-wxgtk2.6 :/ |
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| 13:30.44 | abrotman | compengi: and that's not python2.6 but wxgtk2.6 |
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| 13:31.02 | compengi | abrotman, i know |
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| 13:32.32 | compengi | abrotman, thanks, i thought someone around knows in if any plans to release it in near future |
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| 13:33.29 | abrotman | compengi: i'd imagine they're fixing bugs in 2.5 in lenny before release ? |
| 13:34.29 | compengi | abrotman, for debian? since 2.6 was already released |
| 13:34.32 | compengi | as stable |
| 13:34.51 | abrotman | compengi: i don't make the rules! python2.5 will be the default in lenny |
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| 13:35.45 | compengi | abrotman, i see.. :) |
| 13:35.49 | compengi | thanks anyways |
| 13:36.24 | cahoot_ | abrotman: seems like explicitly demanding wpa2 makes my 802.11n connection much stabler |
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| 13:36.45 | abrotman | cahoot_: you kids and your fancy security ... |
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| 13:37.11 | ilaiho | is ubuntu still very likely to break? |
| 13:37.11 | cahoot_ | hey - this is a mission critical laptop |
| 13:37.25 | abrotman | ilaiho: ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:50.53 | Python1320 | Is there any Webserver/fileserver for debian which can be installed as nonroot (listening port higher than 1024 naturally) and without any dependencies other than what a default debian etc install has (build-essentials is installed) |
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| 13:52.37 | abrotman | you can run apache on whatever port you want |
| 13:52.49 | abrotman | lighttpd .. there are a few small webservers |
| 13:53.23 | abrotman | debtags search web::server .. should give you a few options |
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| 13:53.46 | abrotman | marvels aolserver is still in debian |
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| 13:55.35 | Python1320 | abrotman, problem is I don't have roots and lighttpd doesn't want to get compiled |
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| 13:56.23 | abrotman | Python1320: that's a bit different |
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| 14:00.29 | maurizio | I'm following the install guide at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en but the debootstrap step fails when trying to execute dpkg in the chroot. Apparently it's due to failing to write to the chroot's /dev/null. Can someone help? |
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| 14:05.08 | CaT[t3] | maurizio: try pre-populating a /dev in your chroot? |
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| 14:06.09 | maurizio | CaT[t3]: there is already a lot of stuff in there (put in byt hte previous installation step), including a /dev/null: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 May 21 2007 /dev/null |
| 14:06.37 | maurizio | CaT[t3]: but echo 'bla' > /dev/null in the chroot fails with permission denied... |
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| 14:10.55 | Yamakiri|sleep | how do I put my laptop innto sleep/standby mode? |
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| 14:12.58 | asg | Yamakiri|sleep: take a look at the hibernate package |
| 14:13.02 | dury | hi there all :) |
| 14:13.14 | Yamakiri|sleep | thanks asg |
| 14:13.47 | dury | abrotman: is watchdog a spyware? |
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| 14:15.57 | asg | dury: it's a hardware fault monitor |
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| 14:17.35 | maurizio | CaT[t3]: Do you think it's reasonable to remove the /dev/null from the chroot and make a symlink called /dev/null pointing to wherever writable outside the chroot to proceed with the install? |
| 14:17.54 | stoned | g'morning |
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| 14:18.54 | asg | maurizio: you can't symlink out of a chroot. |
| 14:20.05 | maurizio | asg: can't I create that symlink from outside and then use it from inside the chroot? |
| 14:20.16 | abrotman | dury: uh what? |
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| 14:20.54 | asg | maurizio: no but you might use a bind mount for that file. man mount ; /bind |
| 14:21.08 | dury | abrotman: don't worry asg explain it to me |
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| 14:21.39 | azzouz | my debian (etch) install freezes when formating partition. i have an IDE disk and it is detected without problem. any idea ? |
| 14:23.39 | maurizio | asg: ok, I understand. Do you think I can remove the /dev/null from the chroot, bind the outside /dev/null to the chroot's /dev/null and proceed with the install? |
| 14:23.53 | asg | maurizio: sure, I don't see why not. |
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| 14:24.55 | maurizio | asg: well, I already don't see why the documented install procedure is failing, therefore... ok, I'll try. Thanks |
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| 14:26.49 | maurizio | asg: well, it fails... mount --bind wants to bind directories, not /dev/null. |
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| 14:29.21 | limpio | hifi, how do i change an image .jpg to .png? |
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| 14:29.43 | limpio | i meant hi |
| 14:30.04 | abrotman | gimp can |
| 14:30.14 | nick_fn | limpio: if you have imagemagik installed, you can just do "convert myimage.jpg myimage.png" at a shell prompt. Or load and save it with the gimp. |
| 14:31.00 | limpio | nick_fn, abrotman, thank you both |
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| 14:31.44 | hifi | though I guestion why |
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| 14:33.42 | carbonize | Hi, I use Etch with KDE 3.5.5. I changed my NIC config using 'ifconfig', now how do I 'refresh' it? I have to ping my gateway to make it active |
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| 14:34.03 | hifi | refresh? |
| 14:34.10 | ChrisW | hey all, how do I get the sftp server that comes with openssh up and running on debian? |
| 14:34.16 | carbonize | as in, make it active |
| 14:34.33 | mhymn | carbonize: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:35.01 | hifi | ChrisW: shouldn't it be on by default if ssh is running? |
| 14:35.18 | ChrisW | no idea, never used it before, just curious... |
| 14:35.28 | hifi | do you have sshd running? |
| 14:35.33 | Jacob_H | ChrisW: apt-get install openssh-server should be enough |
| 14:35.35 | abrotman | ChrisW: unless you've done something .. it starts with sshd |
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| 14:36.02 | scribeskul | Captains log, Day 3 of linux: All is well on the Debian forefront... |
| 14:36.08 | asg | maurizio: you could just bind mount /dev |
| 14:36.09 | ChrisW | interesting, I've never used sftp, when I sftp to a server, what's served? |
| 14:36.11 | carbonize | thanks! One more question, when I change my broadcast address using ifconfig, it deletes the gateway address. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | ChrisW: try it and see |
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| 14:37.02 | carbonize | I used the command 'ifconfig eth0 broadcast [address]' |
| 14:37.05 | nick_fn | carbonize: do you really want to use ifconfig to change the settings? That won't 'stick' after a reboot. /etc/network/interfaces is the configuration file that would be permanent. |
| 14:37.25 | ChrisW | oo, cool... |
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| 14:37.52 | carbonize | oh... thanks @ nick_fn, I thought ifconfig will make necessary changes |
| 14:37.54 | Jacob_H | ChrisW: if you've used ftp you will find it familiar |
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| 14:38.05 | nick_fn | carbonize: no, that won't save the changes into a config file. |
| 14:38.06 | abrotman | or he just doesn't care :) |
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| 14:38.46 | carbonize | so, manually edit /etc/network/interfaces OR use GUI network settings is the way out, right? |
| 14:38.48 | maurizio | asg: this seems to work. I was reluctant to try that since how all this /dev stuff works is unclear to me. Thanks for your help. Hopefully the remaining steps will be smoother. |
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| 14:44.17 | hyksos | hi, i got 8gb ram but i only can see 4gb in /proc/meminfo, does the amd64 debian kernel not support more than 4gb of ram? |
| 14:44.50 | Eulex | hyksos, does your bios see all 8gb? |
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| 14:45.29 | ubd | there is one thing i dont understand. when installing programs from synaptic. it succesfully downloads and installs dependencies, however when uninstalling it does not remove useles libraries etc or does it |
| 14:45.45 | hyksos | Eulex: i read bios does not see more than 4gb because of compatibility mode , bios does not know if a 32 or 64 bit os is starting, or is that wrong? |
| 14:46.11 | scribeskul | ubd: Good question...I'm wondering that too now |
| 14:46.13 | Eulex | hyksos, if your bios does not see all your ram, neither will your OS. |
| 14:46.39 | hyksos | Eulex: you got more than 4gb of ram? |
| 14:46.40 | Jacob_H | ubd, scribeskul: apt-get autoremove will remove the extra dependencies. not sure how synaptic deals with them |
| 14:46.55 | Eulex | hyksos, no. |
| 14:47.20 | scribeskul | Jacob_H: So 'apt-get autoremove' will search for orphan dependencies and remove them? |
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| 14:47.25 | Jacob_H | scribeskul: yes |
| 14:47.26 | ubd | jacob i did not see any difference between remove and "completely remove" in synaptic |
| 14:47.35 | scribeskul | Jacob_H: Thanks! Good to know! |
| 14:47.43 | ubd | so autoremove is not impletemented to synaptic i think |
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| 14:48.17 | ubd | i think i have to install programs that i removed with synaptic and uninstall with autoremove then |
| 14:48.19 | hyksos | Eulex: hmm, like i said , i read that with the bios compatitbiltiy mode, so i dont know if that is right, and my bios should not see more than 4gb or not, i need on who sees more than 4gb of ram in its bios, to be sure, you know |
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| 14:48.43 | Jacob_H | ubd: you don't uninstall specific programmes with apt-get autoremove |
| 14:48.51 | scribeskul | man, over 21K+ packages... this will keep me interested for a long, long time haha |
| 14:49.07 | Jacob_H | you run it after apt-get remove someprogramme to remove any remaining dependencies |
| 14:49.50 | hyksos | someone got more than 4 gb of ram,and its bios is showing that? |
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| 14:50.21 | ubd | ok Jacob_H thanks, anyways i am usig apt get from now on |
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| 14:52.16 | Jacob_H | ubd: make sure you read the man page so you learn the difference between update, upgrade and dist-upgrade. Also, have a look at apt-cache, too. |
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| 14:52.57 | ubd | allright Jacob_H |
| 14:53.05 | Jacob_H | :-) |
| 14:54.46 | ubd | is there a way to change quickly between keyboards en-ger-chinese etc |
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| 14:55.57 | ubd | and should i buy a 1tb usb disk for 120$ |
| 14:57.02 | Batchy | ubd: setxkbmap ? |
| 14:57.21 | nick_fn | I think there's likely a gnome panel applet to change keyboard layout, or something like that... |
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| 14:58.08 | ubd | wow cool thanks |
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| 15:00.32 | ubd | ı thınk ı wıll ınstall debıan you are guys are so helpful |
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| 15:01.06 | ubd | i knew debian users got the best community |
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| 15:04.42 | nick_fn | ubd: yeah, gnome has a Keyboard Indicator panel applet, that'll help you switch between |
| 15:05.29 | scribeskul | exit |
| 15:06.36 | dury | my apache server doesn't show me the folders and files list... When I type http://localhost in iceweasel, only says "It works!". Should I uninstall and put it again through Synaptic Package Manager? |
| 15:07.01 | KRF | dury, have a look in /var/www |
| 15:07.12 | cahoot_ | dury: configuring it seems more to the point |
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| 15:08.44 | dury | in /var/www are the folders and files I created it |
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| 15:09.37 | asg | dury: the default config has a redirect to the "It works" page. You need to config apache as cahoot said. |
| 15:10.37 | dury | asg cahoot could you please drive me to configure it... I would really appreciate it |
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| 15:10.56 | asg | dury: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
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| 15:11.32 | dury | asg: in terminal as root? |
| 15:12.23 | asg | yes |
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| 15:13.46 | dury | asg: it says permission denied... and I did as root |
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| 15:14.38 | asg | dury: no, you need to edit the files in the directory to comment out the redirect |
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| 15:17.06 | dury | asg: what I did is... as root gedit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
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| 15:17.50 | asg | dury: no, '*' means a glob of the files in there. Find out which ones exist (probably only one on a default install) and edit that |
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| 15:25.58 | tuxcrafter | somebody here that can help me a bid debugging why my apt repository does not work |
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| 15:28.12 | Jacob_H | tuxcrafter: what's the problem? |
| 15:28.34 | dob1 | hi, when i use dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config which files it reads / modify? |
| 15:28.59 | dury | asg: geeesss didn't understand or you are trying to do... please bo patient with me :( |
| 15:29.14 | dury | bo = be |
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| 15:31.20 | dury | asg: I have /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* open with gedit as root |
| 15:31.41 | xand | if I ssh -X to another debian machine, and run "iceweasel"... it opens a new window of the iceweasel that is running on the local machine, why? |
| 15:31.50 | xand | it doesn't run iceweasel on the machine I've sshed to |
| 15:32.30 | asg | xand: /msg dpkg sshx (make sure all the bits are installed and configured) |
| 15:34.34 | xand | asg: I know how to do it, this problem is isolated to iceweasel |
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| 15:35.14 | Jacob_H | tuxcrafter: sorry, I wasn't promising that I could help you, especially in private, but thought you ought to get some more details into the channel |
| 15:35.25 | dury | asg: I don't know what to do,,, :( |
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| 15:35.26 | Eulex | xand, it appears iceweasel checks whether it's already running on that display, and if it is, opens the page in the already running iceweasel. |
| 15:35.42 | dury | I'm lost |
| 15:36.05 | tuxcrafter | Jacob_H: ok thanks for the heads up |
| 15:36.32 | tuxcrafter | i am trying to setup an apt repository but i get the following message on the client dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages: No such file or directory |
| 15:36.35 | Eulex | xand, I don't know whether you can do anything against it, as afaik firefox/iceweasel plainly refuses to be started multiple times. |
| 15:36.47 | asg | dury: there should be two lines, an apache redirect and something pointing to the default. Just comment those and restart apache. You can probably find the full directions in /usr/share/doc/apache2-common/ or one of the other apache dirs. I don't have an apache install handy to walk you through it. |
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| 15:38.16 | tuxcrafter | but i can browse the apt repo files http://pastebin.ca/1256994 |
| 15:38.22 | tuxcrafter | am i missing something? |
| 15:38.32 | dob1 | i am trying to enable bitmap fonts on debian, i use dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, i enable it, but seems this doesn't work, when i re-run the commands it is set to No |
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| 15:39.05 | xand | Eulex: kinda stupid when the process running on the same machine |
| 15:40.22 | mhymn | dury: any luck? |
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| 15:41.46 | Jacob_H | tuxcrafter: how did you set up this repository? |
| 15:41.48 | george_xtr | Hi guys, any tool to convert from mpg to mp4/3gp? |
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| 15:42.28 | mhymn | george_xtr: ffmpeg iirc |
| 15:42.35 | Jacob_H | it looks to me like the Packages files have not been generated correctly |
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| 15:43.47 | george_xtr | mhymn, I try with ffmpeg -i file.mpg file.mp4 and it says this Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0 |
| 15:44.12 | dury | mhymn: not really.... right now... I'm in a hurry.... bbl |
| 15:44.17 | tuxcrafter | Jacob_H: http://pastebin.ca/1256999 |
| 15:45.11 | mhymn | george_xtr: this is what i use to convert to mp4 --> ffmpeg -i INPUT -s 176x144 -vcodec h264 -ar 48000 -ac 2 -acodec aac -r 25 OUTPUT |
| 15:46.36 | george_xtr | mhymn, Unknown encoder 'h264' |
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| 15:46.55 | mhymn | george_xtr: so you should installed it |
| 15:47.11 | george_xtr | which one h264? |
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| 15:47.26 | Jacob_H | tuxcrafter: this is all debian, rather than ubuntu? |
| 15:47.55 | mhymn | george_xtr: i don't remember which pkg installing it |
| 15:48.25 | stew | mhymn: which verison of ffmpeg do you have installed? probably the dmm version, not ffmpeg from debian |
| 15:48.37 | mhymn | true |
| 15:48.39 | tuxcrafter | Jacob_H: all my systems are debian |
| 15:48.46 | unop | george_xtr, do you have libavcodec installed? |
| 15:48.46 | mhymn | george_xtr: x264 is the name |
| 15:48.50 | tuxcrafter | execept the server due to lagacy issues |
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| 15:49.35 | tuxcrafter | Jacob_H: all clients are debian sid |
| 15:50.17 | mhymn | stew: you mean the debian one doesn't come with x264 support? even if installing the required package? |
| 15:50.39 | stew | mhymn: i don't know, but i don't believe debian ships any h264 encoders |
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| 15:51.44 | stew | judd: versions x264 |
| 15:51.44 | judd | stew: x264: 0.svn20070309-4.1etch1 (etch-multimedia) 1:0.svn20080712-0.1 (lenny-multimedia) 1:0.svn20080712-0.1 (sid-multimedia) |
| 15:52.08 | Jacob_H | tuxcrafter: ok. well, this is way beyond my level of knowledge, but, I think your problem is that you have a .new attached to all of your Packages and Sources files |
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| 15:54.06 | tuxcrafter | hmm |
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| 16:01.28 | eanda | cany anyone suggest a definitive guide for setting up a Debian SMB + Ldap server |
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| 16:01.52 | eanda | looking more for a how to follow along |
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| 16:09.10 | FenrirReturns | I just installed Debian stable on my Latitude D820 and everything seems to work pretty well, but the trackpad moves the cursor very slowly compared to the nub mouse, any ideas? |
| 16:10.01 | mhymn | eanda: http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP, haven't read it myself though |
| 16:10.47 | mhymn | !tell eanda -about ldap |
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| 16:13.42 | Kevin` | http://rafb.net/p/zd1ZZH86.html |
| 16:13.51 | Kevin` | what could be causing this? debootstrap failing |
| 16:15.20 | dob1 | i found that even if i use dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config to enable bitmap fonts, i have to remove the link in /etc/fonts/conf.d/30-debconf-no-bitmaps.conf to make it works |
| 16:15.31 | dob1 | why this ? |
| 16:16.02 | dob1 | it is a bug? |
| 16:16.26 | Eulex | dob1, may be |
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| 16:19.16 | dob1 | Eulex: seems a default behaviour to disable the selection of this type of fonts |
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| 16:19.49 | ashleyp | http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=1083665 |
| 16:20.05 | erore | Is it ok to upgrade iproute package from etch repository if I have sarge? I need iproute2. |
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| 16:21.57 | Eulex | erore, you will need to backport it. also, please think about upgrading to etch; security support for sarge has ended. |
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| 16:23.58 | erore | Eulex: what do you mean by backporting? It is a router based on sarge distro. thank you |
| 16:24.18 | Eulex | !tell erore about ssb |
| 16:24.29 | Eulex | erore, but replace sid with etch in appropriate places |
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| 16:24.38 | Eulex | erore, what do you mean, it does not run a pure debian sarge? |
| 16:25.13 | KlrSpz | question, i used to have apache installed on this server, and someone manually removed it, when i try to re-add it, it doesn't install the init.d scripts or /etc/apache2 folder; how do i do a fresh install? |
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| 16:25.45 | cahoot_ | KlrSpz: IIRC there's a confmiss option |
| 16:25.50 | KlrSpz | yeah i treid that |
| 16:26.24 | erore | Eulex, it is based on debian sarge however it is a very cut version a it is running on a flash card in routerboard. |
| 16:26.53 | KlrSpz | cahoot_: sorry... yeah i tried that, just did again to ensure; no go |
| 16:27.24 | cahoot_ | KlrSpz: my knowledge exhausted |
| 16:27.27 | KlrSpz | damn |
| 16:27.34 | mhymn | KlrSpz: purging and installing again? |
| 16:27.43 | KlrSpz | lemme try that |
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| 16:27.56 | abrotman | KlrSpz: which package did you try to do this one? |
| 16:27.59 | abrotman | erm . this on |
| 16:28.00 | KlrSpz | apachd2 |
| 16:28.03 | KlrSpz | apache2 |
| 16:28.14 | abrotman | wrong package .. use the confmiss on apache2.2-common |
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| 16:28.20 | KlrSpz | ah, ok |
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| 16:28.59 | KlrSpz | you da man! |
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| 16:29.49 | KlrSpz | so now i'm changing root passwd and removing sudo from everyone but me |
| 16:29.56 | KlrSpz | tards keep trashing this server |
| 16:30.04 | cloakable | :D |
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| 16:31.36 | pepeluch0 | are you need sex?? , pic and videos p0rn click here : http://www.fotovacaciones.telefonica.com/catalogo.php?voto=1&codigo=WA0AA3&pagina=1 |
| 16:31.40 | pepeluch0 | are you need sex?? , pic and videos p0rn click here : http://www.fotovacaciones.telefonica.com/catalogo.php?voto=1&codigo=WA0AA3&pagina=1 |
| 16:31.42 | KlrSpz | hmm..damn thing still won't start up, failing on the allow/deny line |
| 16:31.47 | abchirk | !ops pepeluch0 |
| 16:31.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abchirk complains about: pepeluch0 |
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| 16:32.32 | blubberdiblub | Kevin`, hmm, you might try mounting the proc filesystem under /root/debian-mipsel/proc in advance, before calling debootstrap |
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| 16:32.44 | maligor | makes you despair that they even try that here |
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| 16:32.59 | maligor | you'd think noone clicked those links |
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| 16:34.13 | Kevin` | blubberdiblub: the problem is there's no proper environment to chroot to |
| 16:34.47 | Kevin` | no /bin/sh etc |
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| 16:35.25 | blubberdiblub | Kevin`, actually, debootstrap ought to set that up, before chrooting |
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| 16:37.05 | adb | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 16:37.44 | therobot | I am not able to find a working sarge debian mirror for my sources.list can anybody provide me one? |
| 16:38.24 | blubberdiblub | Kevin`, maybe it's not downloading the correct packages or the mirror you're using doesn't have the required packages? could you try explicitly specifying a mirror url to debootstrap? |
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| 16:40.46 | adb | therobot: http://archive.debian.org/debian |
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| 16:41.04 | therobot | thanks adb |
| 16:41.16 | adb | welcome |
| 16:41.29 | Kevin` | blubberdiblub: that seems to be making a difference |
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| 16:50.27 | maurizio | dpkg used to know about cloning installs, now it answers about a new bot. what is a good way to clone debian install? |
| 16:50.28 | dpkg | maurizio: what are you talking about? |
| 16:50.49 | maurizio | the bot in here used to know about cloning installs, now it answers about a new bot. what is a good way to clone debian install? |
| 16:51.03 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 16:51.03 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 16:52.12 | maurizio | abrotman: thanks. nothing of /etc is preserved by this method, right? |
| 16:52.31 | abrotman | that just clones the package list |
| 16:53.19 | maurizio | abrotman: is there a recommanded way to clone /etc as well short of editing each file? I'm thinking about mysql passwords and so on. |
| 16:54.22 | abrotman | i'd imagine the mysql passwds are in the mysql database |
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| 16:55.18 | maurizio | abrotman: well, any other system or real user passwords and maybe crontabs. |
| 16:55.36 | abrotman | user cron tabs aren't in /etc/ either |
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| 16:56.26 | abrotman | maurizio: you would just make a backup like normal .. and copy files (preserving permissions) as needed |
| 16:57.45 | maurizio | abrotman: so set the package selection, install those packages and then overwrite the new /etc with a backup of the old one? |
| 16:57.57 | abrotman | if that's what you want |
| 16:58.43 | ededr | hello, can I ask about problem with ethernet card in stable debian ? |
| 16:58.44 | maurizio | abrotman: ideally I would have put the old disk in the new machine, but there are some differences in hardware that prevent that. |
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| 16:59.10 | abrotman | in hardware? |
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| 16:59.27 | maurizio | abrotman: yes... |
| 16:59.35 | abrotman | describe more? |
| 17:00.13 | maurizio | abrotman: for instance the old machine is an old laptop, the new one is a desktop with sata drives. |
| 17:00.25 | abrotman | ah .. they make adapters .. but whatever |
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| 17:02.28 | maurizio | abrotman: anyway... Would system and real users be preserved by only overwriting the new /etc with a backup of the old one, taking into account minor differences in grub and fstab? Is there a good documentation about what I'm trying to do? |
| 17:04.04 | abrotman | maurizio: i'm sure google has documents on system migration |
| 17:04.53 | maurizio | abrotman: googles leads to plenty of tricks people have used, yes. I was wondering about an "official debian" way. |
| 17:05.48 | abrotman | maurizio: i don't think there is an official way |
| 17:05.51 | maurizio | abrotman: it's ok, thanks for your help. We'll see. |
| 17:06.22 | ededr | Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] (rev 11) |
| 17:06.24 | ededr | |
| 17:06.27 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.39 | ededr | it's ma ethernet |
| 17:06.50 | abrotman | and? |
| 17:06.58 | abrotman | ededr: ask your questoin then |
| 17:07.10 | ededr | ok i'm writting now |
| 17:07.48 | ededr | eth0: enabling interface |
| 17:07.50 | ededr | eth0: set link 10baseT auto |
| 17:07.52 | ededr | eth0: mode 0x7ffc0040, sia 0x10c4,0xffffef01,0xffffffff,0xffff0008 |
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| 17:07.54 | ededr | eth0: set mode 0x7ffc0040, set sia 0xef01,0xffff,0x8 |
| 17:07.56 | ededr | eth0: link up, media 10baseT auto |
| 17:08.05 | epsilon | congrat |
| 17:08.10 | ededr | it;s my dmesg |
| 17:08.30 | abrotman | ededr: and it's working perfectly fine ? |
| 17:08.49 | ededr | no not working |
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| 17:09.07 | ededr | i try add mod insmod tulip |
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| 17:09.15 | ededr | and added ok |
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| 17:09.33 | ededr | but not warking still |
| 17:09.33 | abrotman | why would you load another module if it's already detected? |
| 17:09.54 | epsilon | whats output of ifconfig eth0 |
| 17:10.18 | ededr | Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:29:0D:10:E9 |
| 17:10.20 | ededr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.22 | ededr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:10.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:10.24 | ededr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.26 | ededr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.28 | ededr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.30 | ededr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.32 | ededr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:11.01 | abrotman | ededr: on that machine .. can you `ping 192.168.100.10` ? |
| 17:11.03 | simonrvn | /kick ededr |
| 17:11.56 | ededr | jest I ping to 192.168.100.10 is ok, but to router 192.168.100.252 not ok |
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| 17:12.20 | epsilon | is the cable ok, link-LED is blinking? |
| 17:12.52 | epsilon | cause on software side it's all fine (unless you don't have wired iptables blocking the connection) |
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| 17:13.19 | ededr | is ok, in livecd othe dostro it work ok, but here it;s not good ;[ |
| 17:13.23 | webPragmatist | whats an alternative to lynx and w3m for text browsers? |
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| 17:13.32 | zinx | webPragmatist: links |
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| 17:15.31 | abrotman | ededr: FWIW, i stopped using all my tulip based cards with 2.6, the drivers just seemed flaky |
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| 17:16.34 | simonrvn | yeh, me too, finally. was getting errors on tx all the time, for instance. nothing on the tx itself. screwed up.... |
| 17:16.48 | abrotman | considering they used to be bullet proof |
| 17:16.54 | simonrvn | (transmission) |
| 17:17.06 | simonrvn | i know. that's why i used it for so long. |
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| 17:19.50 | simonrvn | i changed it for an old e100 i happen to have lying around. |
| 17:20.14 | simonrvn | 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 05) |
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| 17:20.29 | abrotman | i changed the ones at work for FA311 from netgear .. |
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| 17:21.06 | simonrvn | heh. whatever was lying around? ;p |
| 17:21.24 | abrotman | no .. i intentionally bought a bunch .. they work really well |
| 17:21.37 | simonrvn | cool |
| 17:21.41 | ededr | abrotman: I before had the same problem with this card but I solved, but now I don't remember how ;[ , |
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| 17:21.56 | epsilon | I use realtek for cheap boxes, works everywhere |
| 17:22.06 | abrotman | mii-tool |
| 17:22.07 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:22.09 | abrotman | ethtool ? |
| 17:22.49 | epsilon | is it some old ISA-card or built-in? |
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| 17:24.46 | ededr | abrotman: but strange is : when I do ifconfig eth0 down - is ok, but when I want to ifconfig eth0 up is err= -16 , SIOCSIFFLAGS: device a resource busy |
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| 17:29.26 | KlrSpz | i'm tryin to get apache rewrite to work, but according to the manual i need mod_rewrite, but don't see it in dpkg... any ideas? |
| 17:29.52 | simonrvn | it's not a separate package |
| 17:29.52 | KlrSpz | ahh nm, i now see mods-available |
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| 17:30.02 | ma3x | can anyone tell me what this is http://paste.debian.net/21523/ |
| 17:30.11 | zinx | KlrSpz: use a2enmod or similar |
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| 17:30.21 | simonrvn | a paste url |
| 17:30.36 | KlrSpz | bingo, done |
| 17:30.37 | z28 | hello all |
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| 17:31.04 | z28 | wondering if anyone knows of a ditribution that would give me a web server, webmail server, all managed by a web gui |
| 17:31.13 | KlrSpz | zinx: eh, i just created a symlink |
| 17:31.15 | z28 | with easy installation |
| 17:31.19 | abrotman | z28: ask ##linux |
| 17:31.24 | KlrSpz | zinx, i'm used to gentoo; tryin to get used to this |
| 17:31.46 | z28 | ok thanks abrotman |
| 17:32.14 | ma3x | is 2.6.26-1-686 current newest image in testing? |
| 17:32.18 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:34.11 | z28 | abrotman is that another channel? |
| 17:34.11 | ma3x | i keep getting these acpi errors, my system freezes eventually -> http://paste.debian.net/21523/ |
| 17:34.14 | z28 | i cant find it |
| 17:34.17 | ma3x | do you know how do i fix it? |
| 17:34.37 | abrotman | z28: /join ##linux |
| 17:34.42 | z28 | ok thanks |
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| 17:39.46 | simonrvn | ma3x: tried updating the bios? tried noacpi (or acpi=off, WTFever it is) as boot args? |
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| 17:42.10 | ma3x | simonrvn: how do i update the bios? i don't have floppy drive. aren't those update tools .exe? |
| 17:42.55 | maligor | I have a usb stick with freedos on it myself |
| 17:43.00 | ma3x | (meant for windows) |
| 17:43.03 | maligor | can't remember how I made it tho |
| 17:43.10 | simonrvn | you could do it from an usb stick i suppose |
| 17:43.22 | maligor | lots of bios's these days have a builtin flash 'app' too |
| 17:43.43 | simonrvn | they comes with fat16 usually. just gotta have freedos, and the update utils on it |
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| 17:43.48 | simonrvn | that's true too |
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| 17:44.24 | ma3x | to check bios version, do i have to enter the bios or can i check it from linux? |
| 17:44.29 | simonrvn | i think even this old clunker has that |
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| 17:44.35 | maligor | I know there are some laptops that actually only supply bios updates with a Vista-only flasher |
| 17:44.49 | simonrvn | i *think* you can use dmidecode for that |
| 17:44.59 | simonrvn | ugh |
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| 17:45.15 | simonrvn | (probably a way around that ;) |
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| 17:45.57 | maligor | pretty depressing development tho |
| 17:46.19 | maligor | in a windows only environment I can see the advantage to the common user tho |
| 17:46.20 | ma3x | heh, just to update the fucking bios i have to use windows |
| 17:46.38 | ma3x | no fd, no usb stick around |
| 17:46.55 | maligor | actually mine's on a 32MB CF card |
| 17:47.28 | maligor | bundled with a digital slr.. not really sure why anyone would ever use a 32mb card with it :P |
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| 17:48.03 | simonrvn | !slr |
| 17:48.41 | cahoot_ | maligor: for the time you're realy sure you have *the* picture |
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| 17:48.55 | Kuifje111 | hi. |
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| 17:49.52 | maligor | simonrvn, single-lens reflex camera, I'm sure it clears things ;) |
| 17:50.02 | Kuifje111 | does anyone know how to install CURL? |
| 17:50.11 | Kuifje111 | i have done apt-get install curl |
| 17:50.19 | xsdg | simonrvn: yo; what's up? |
| 17:50.22 | simonrvn | not at all, but now i know what it is. ty :) |
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| 17:50.28 | Kuifje111 | and attended extension=curl.so to my php.ini file |
| 17:50.29 | maligor | Kuifje111, and it failed to install? |
| 17:50.36 | simonrvn | hey dude. they sky's up ;) |
| 17:50.40 | simonrvn | the* |
| 17:50.46 | Kuifje111 | no, but it isnt communicating with php |
| 17:50.48 | xsdg | :o) |
| 17:50.52 | maligor | Kuifje111, probably want libcurl-dev then |
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| 17:51.16 | simonrvn | php curl extension != curl |
| 17:51.23 | maligor | heh |
| 17:51.27 | Kuifje111 | ah |
| 17:51.34 | maligor | php5-curl? |
| 17:51.38 | Kuifje111 | yeah |
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| 17:51.44 | simonrvn | 2 separate things |
| 17:52.11 | maligor | simonrvn, umm.. are you sure? |
| 17:52.17 | Kuifje111 | do they also function without each other? |
| 17:52.21 | maligor | php5-curl depends on libcurl3 |
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| 17:53.11 | simonrvn | right i'm equating 'curl' with the CLI app, nothing more. |
| 17:53.15 | Kuifje111 | it is working now |
| 17:53.16 | simonrvn | right now* |
| 17:53.44 | Kuifje111 | curl |
| 17:53.44 | Kuifje111 | cURL support enabled |
| 17:53.44 | Kuifje111 | cURL Information libcurl/7.15.5 OpenSSL/0.9.8c zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.6.5 |
| 17:53.55 | Kuifje111 | it is working now, thanks for the help |
| 17:54.00 | simonrvn | doesn't need the cli app, just the lib ;) |
| 17:54.31 | maligor | maybe you should've said 'interfaces', not 'things' :P |
| 17:54.33 | Kuifje111 | i did apt-get install php5-curl |
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| 17:59.09 | simonrvn | maligor: hehe, true |
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| 18:20.44 | floating | what kernel does debian etch 4.0r5 use |
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| 18:22.40 | abrotman | there is a .18 and a .24 |
| 18:24.44 | floating | the mini live-^cd has 2.6.24-xx but whatxx |
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| 19:03.07 | tuxcraft1r | somebody here that knows some people at Apple http://imagebin.ca/view/XaEWz6s.html |
| 19:03.27 | tuxcraft1r | ^ they should know better then doing that! |
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| 19:03.48 | abrotman | tuxcraft1r: wrong channel |
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| 19:08.56 | bier | how do i prevent update-grub from deleting my custom kernels in /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 19:09.55 | bier | i tried different things already, but without any success... |
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| 19:11.13 | tuxcraft1r | abrotman: how sorry for that :-p |
| 19:11.27 | BCM43 | I'm on debian and the bar on top in gnome keeps getting distorted colors |
| 19:11.50 | BCM43 | if I move something across it it fixes it. |
| 19:12.25 | ab3l_ | hi it seels to me that debian installer "decides" packets to install in relation to disk capacity is that true? 2) installed deb4r5 xfce and noticed it has almost no apps at all is that normal ? |
| 19:12.26 | BCM43 | it shows up on screenshots |
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| 19:14.17 | BCM43 | sorry, I'm back |
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| 19:15.48 | BCM43 | http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotgl7.png look at the screenshot |
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| 19:21.09 | BCM43 | anybody here that can help me with display problems? |
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| 19:24.09 | cast | would selinux be the best manner in which to do this: label certain files as only accessable by certain programs and certain users |
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| 19:25.29 | BCM43 | cast: I think |
| 19:25.39 | BCM43 | do you know anything about display on debian? |
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| 19:26.02 | cast | probably not enough to answer your question |
| 19:26.19 | BCM43 | ok, never mind then |
| 19:27.15 | abrotman | BCM43: not much of a screen shot .. and you didn't descripbe yur problem |
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| 19:27.20 | pepelucho | sex un live ... are you need sex?? , pic and videos p0rn click here : http://www.peruanasricas.com |
| 19:27.26 | pepelucho | sex un live ... are you need sex?? , pic and videos p0rn click here : http://www.peruanasricas.com |
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| 19:27.47 | abrotman | whoops .. |
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| 19:28.51 | abrotman | ah .. |
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| 19:29.11 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 19:30.45 | troubled | abrotman: fail :) |
| 19:30.58 | abrotman | probably |
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| 19:32.31 | pif | hi, where can I find nice linux t-shirts shipped from europe? |
| 19:33.06 | hoxu | !wet t-shirts |
| 19:33.06 | dpkg | wet t-shirts are awesome |
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| 19:33.36 | pif | depends who wears them |
| 19:33.40 | hoxu | !dibbler |
| 19:33.40 | dpkg | methinks dibbler is Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.' |
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| 19:33.52 | hoxu | hmm... I think there was a factoid about this |
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| 19:34.30 | hoxu | it's not so long someone asked that exact question |
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| 19:35.38 | hoxu | it was Miranda, but I dunno if she ever found a shop that ships to europe |
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| 19:36.27 | hoxu | pif, maybe you can get the logos yourself and order a custom one |
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| 19:37.07 | pif | rolling my own |
| 19:37.07 | hoxu | pif, http://shop.cafepress.com/debian |
| 19:37.46 | hoxu | !debian t-shirts |
| 19:37.47 | dpkg | i heard debian t-shirts is http://shop.cafepress.com/debian http://www.paul.sladen.org/expo/lrlive-2005/T-shirt-logos.html http://www.aboutdebian.com/gear.htm |
| 19:37.51 | hoxu | ^fill it up if you find something :) |
| 19:37.58 | pif | thanks |
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| 19:44.15 | jelly-hme | hi; can anyone resolve www.somethingpositive.net? I'm unable to... |
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| 19:44.44 | joltcan | jelly-hme: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 19:44.54 | cloakable | jelly-hme: yes |
| 19:45.37 | jelly-hme | cloakable: ip? |
| 19:46.03 | jelly-hme | joltcan: it's unresolvableforthemtoo |
| 19:46.03 | cast | 63.247.91.18 |
| 19:46.12 | cloakable | 63.247.91.18 |
| 19:46.16 | jelly-hme | thank you very much |
| 19:46.29 | cast | i got a connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 19:46.50 | cast | [twice, after it resolved downforeveryoneorjustme.com] |
| 19:47.22 | hoxu | jelly-hme, uhhuh, unhappy DNS servers? |
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| 19:47.45 | squisher | hey guys, how can I make a package which uses cdbs that doesn't strip debugging symbols? |
| 19:48.07 | jelly-hme | hoxu: I don't care about DNS servers now that I got to the comic! |
| 19:48.26 | jelly-hme | and why am I oless |
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| 19:53.32 | cast | great, now my internets acting weird |
| 19:53.45 | shabble | any ideas why 'iface eth0 inet dhcp\n hostname foobar\n leasetime 60' in etc/network/interfaces has no effect on my dhcp leases? |
| 19:53.53 | shabble | using dnsmasq as the dhcp server |
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| 19:55.55 | squisher | what the heck, why does the debian/control file get replaced when I run dpkg-buildpackage??? |
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| 19:58.23 | Eulex | squisher, it may be generated. |
| 19:58.48 | squisher | Eulex, hmm, I want to add a -dbg package. Any clue how I can do that if the control is generated? |
| 19:59.17 | squisher | ah, there is a control.in |
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| 20:01.28 | squisher | ok, now cdbs built it... I wonder if that really worked :-) |
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| 20:02.41 | ma3x | [16925.960843] ACPI: EC: missing confirmations, switch off interrupt mode. |
| 20:02.45 | ma3x | how do i switch off interrupt mode? |
| 20:03.10 | cast | is there a way i can tell aptitude to never install certain packages? |
| 20:03.19 | cast | watches samba install, in dismay |
| 20:03.34 | cast | [i think wine pulled cups, cups pulled samba] |
| 20:04.33 | squisher | cast, I doubt that cups depends on samba |
| 20:04.44 | squisher | aptitude might install recommends by default though |
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| 20:04.53 | squisher | doesn't use aptitude... |
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| 20:06.50 | squisher | haha, cdbs built an "empty" -dbg package... |
| 20:07.06 | squisher | what is debhelper level 5 compatibility? |
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| 20:07.38 | Zambezi | I forgot to disable "remember password". How can I erase that for the cache now? It feels horrible not needing password for anything. |
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| 20:09.36 | joltcan | Zambezi: in firefox? |
| 20:09.43 | cast | "Performing an on-line resize of /dev/system/rootext3 to 2621440 (4k) blocks.", never gets bored of online resizing |
| 20:10.04 | Zambezi | joltcan: No, for root-terminal, synaptic - everythinh. |
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| 20:10.23 | Zambezi | joltcan: I just reinstalled so I forgot to disable it. |
| 20:10.23 | joltcan | Oh, no idea |
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| 20:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, get used to it, its the future... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wV3Lgklzek |
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| 20:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, but are you sure you're talking of debian? whats remembering them, then? KDE? |
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| 20:13.24 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Fixed. I killed X. It was "Save password for this session". |
| 20:13.58 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Probably Gnome then. Fixed now. |
| 20:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | strange... |
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| 20:16.46 | Yamakiri | how can I tell the size of a file from the terminal? |
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| 20:17.01 | mhymn | du -h |
| 20:17.18 | Yamakiri | thanks |
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| 20:26.05 | scribeskul | Hey guys, I just installed lincity-NG, and noticed a HORRENDOUS performance when it comes to in game speed. I have a 2.4gig processor with 2 gigs of ram and a 256 meg nvidia asylum card, so I'm guessing I meet the hardware requirements to play such a game. Any ideas, or hints on where to start? |
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| 20:26.56 | cast | check if its inherent to lincity-ng |
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| 20:28.19 | Octalot | nvidia driver, or Mesa OpenGL ? |
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| 20:29.27 | scribeskul | Octalot: Thats the thing. I'm not quite sure where to go to setup drivers and the like in GNOME. |
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| 20:30.02 | Octalot | it runs OK here |
| 20:30.17 | Octalot | !nvidia |
| 20:30.17 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 20:30.51 | scribeskul | ok, well, off i go then to nvidia land. |
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| 20:31.19 | Octalot | it's an annoyance |
| 20:31.52 | Octalot | but still, it ought to be playable without the non-free drivers :( |
| 20:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends... for many cards hardware acceleration is missing |
| 20:32.27 | scribeskul | I'll install the drivers and see if it makes a difference! |
| 20:32.30 | flami | long live reverse engineering :P |
| 20:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and direct rendering |
| 20:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. try glxinfo |grep rendering |
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| 20:35.37 | ilembitov | Hi! Are proprietary Broadcom drivers available in Debian? I mean those "wl" |
| 20:35.39 | scribeskul | ahh, the free driver does not support 3d acceleration i see |
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| 20:36.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 20:36.36 | maligor | ilembitov, I think they only 'provide' them to embedded stuff |
| 20:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !broadcom |
| 20:36.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43>, or <bcm5906m> |
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| 20:37.33 | ilembitov | maligor: No, there are some, for models found in Dell laptops. Actually those were developed by Dell. |
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| 20:38.03 | ilembitov | And AFAIK they are available in MEPIS, so I thought they may be in Debian as well. May be through module-assistant |
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| 20:39.07 | ab3l_ | hi there's a deb package for sane backends ? |
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| 20:41.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | try apt-cache search sane --names-only |
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| 20:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | its simply 'libsane' |
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| 20:43.17 | ab3l_ | mmm strange libsane's installed but epson2 backend'smissing |
| 20:43.21 | ab3l_ | :( |
| 20:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you know the name of the file you're missing? |
| 20:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 20:43.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 20:43.52 | ab3l_ | the file no the backed yes |
| 20:43.59 | scribeskul | can someone point me in the right direction to what mirror I need to add to sources.list to access non-free packages? |
| 20:44.23 | ab3l_ | btw i'm now truing to compile src hope not to fail |
| 20:44.28 | Guerin | scribeskul: google debian non-free sources |
| 20:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | scribeskul, normally just add non-free after main to the line you have... |
| 20:44.44 | scribeskul | ok, thanks |
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| 20:45.24 | cousin_luigi | hi |
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| 20:45.38 | cousin_luigi | what would happen if I installed testing packages on etch? |
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| 20:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | the world would end? |
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| 20:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no |
| 20:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bobbitt |
| 20:46.18 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 20:46.26 | cousin_luigi | :O |
| 20:46.36 | cousin_luigi | NO, NOT HER! |
| 20:46.56 | cousin_luigi | would backports be less dangerous? |
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| 20:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I don't agree with this factoid :) |
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| 20:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but yes, backports are a possibility |
| 20:49.23 | cousin_luigi | will I have issues when upgrading to lenny? |
| 20:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, lenny is frozen already, so you'll soon upgrade to lenny |
| 20:49.46 | cousin_luigi | not before january judging by the chart |
| 20:49.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably :) |
| 20:50.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | issues... who could know |
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| 20:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | with 2000 new packages at least some small things are likely... |
| 20:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it seems to be rather close to becoming stable |
| 20:51.47 | dv_ | what will follow lenny? |
| 20:52.00 | dv_ | is there a name already? |
| 20:52.00 | ab3l_ | krevitz :P |
| 20:52.01 | Eulex | squeeze! |
| 20:52.04 | Eulex | !squeeze |
| 20:52.05 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 20:52.14 | ewet | hello for livemocha.com I need flash 9 and microphone input. My platform is amd-64 am I screwed now?! Adobe's Flash seem not to work and oss alternatives don't seem to have mic input... what should I do? |
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| 20:52.24 | cousin_luigi | oh, RC is out? |
| 20:52.28 | dv_ | amd64 and flash indeed is a huge issue. |
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| 20:52.44 | Guerin | ewet: ask adobe |
| 20:52.53 | cousin_luigi | ewet: penguin.swf blog |
| 20:52.57 | dv_ | either get yourself a 32bit browser, or use a 64bit one and nspluginwrapper |
| 20:52.58 | Guerin | ewet: we don't suppoprt their proprietary shite |
| 20:53.04 | Jelle__ | just don't use flash |
| 20:53.15 | Guerin | Jelle's solution is the winner. |
| 20:53.23 | dv_ | not if it is require |
| 20:53.23 | dv_ | d |
| 20:53.30 | Jelle__ | my web2.0 experience improved 100% |
| 20:53.34 | Jelle__ | ! |
| 20:53.36 | cast | adobe flash not working is a feature |
| 20:53.40 | Guerin | if it is required then you should be using a platform which supports it |
| 20:53.46 | Guerin | like windows XP |
| 20:53.52 | cast | it increases security while not crashing my browser :) |
| 20:53.52 | dv_ | as it is the case with 99,999% of all embedded videos |
| 20:54.05 | ewet | I don't ask for proprietary solutions I just want need this sites functionalities... and "just don't use flash" is not an option :-/ |
| 20:54.16 | Jelle__ | i just use youtube-dl for youtube stuff |
| 20:54.20 | Guerin | dv_: only if you're too incompetent to use clive, youtube-dl, etc. |
| 20:54.28 | Guerin | which, in fairness, it seems you are |
| 20:54.30 | ewet | s/want// |
| 20:54.37 | dv_ | ewet, as said, either get a 32bit version of a browser or a 64bit one + nspluginwrapper |
| 20:54.43 | Guerin | ewet: of course it's an option. |
| 20:54.46 | dv_ | Guerin, way to go, very mature. |
| 20:55.07 | cousin_luigi | flash 10 improved very much |
| 20:55.14 | cousin_luigi | esp on the opera compatibility side |
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| 20:55.23 | cousin_luigi | (more proprietary stuff, I know) |
| 20:55.27 | ewet | so gnash and swfdec are just hoaxes or what? |
| 20:55.42 | dv_ | they are OSS attempts to replace the adobe flash |
| 20:55.44 | Guerin | ewet: they're extremely incomplete. |
| 20:55.46 | cousin_luigi | ewet: they work to an extent |
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| 20:56.06 | cousin_luigi | youtube fails now and again |
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| 20:56.53 | cousin_luigi | ewet: interesting site that livemocha btw |
| 20:57.08 | ewet | yeah shit but it doesn't work :-( |
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| 20:57.27 | ewet | seems to be vista/mac only audience |
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| 20:57.59 | Guerin | ewet: email them and ask them to use sane technologies |
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| 20:58.13 | ewet | this whole amd64 experience sucked from the day it started ;-( |
| 20:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... I guess I should watch toy story if I'm using Debian? |
| 20:58.26 | esaym | is there a spanish to text program anywhere for linux? |
| 20:58.44 | cousin_luigi | ewet: use i386 unless you need large quantities of ram |
| 20:58.49 | Guerin | ewet: did you have any good reason for using the 64-bit OS - like, are you doing really really intensive deign or number-crunching or database work? |
| 20:58.56 | cast | <3s amd64 |
| 20:59.05 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: it's worth a look. |
| 20:59.05 | cousin_luigi | ewet: what language are you trying to learn btw? |
| 20:59.12 | ab3l_ | mmm compiled sane backends but still scanimage -L find nothing what can be ? |
| 20:59.16 | cast | encoding video/audio is number crunching :) |
| 20:59.17 | ewet | Guerin: frequency stepping?! |
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| 20:59.44 | Guerin | ewet: since when was frequency stepping unavailable in 32-bit? |
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| 21:00.09 | ewet | yeah - k6 didn't work on my system |
| 21:00.12 | scribeskul | wow, that was relatively easier than i thought (installing the nvidia module) Restarted X and saw the patented Nvidia Logo at startup! Now to test lincity and see if the gfx speed has improved |
| 21:00.18 | ewet | it screwed acpi |
| 21:00.23 | Guerin | ewet: that's because it's not a k6. |
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| 21:00.54 | ewet | right - smart one :-) |
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| 21:01.34 | ewet | i'd use i386 if acpi and frequency stepping would work on this machine that way. but unfortunatly it won't |
| 21:01.37 | scribeskul | works like a charm! Amen! Thanks to whoever it was who pointed out I was missing contrib and non-free on the end of my mirrors. Solved everything! |
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| 21:02.26 | Guerin | ewet: they're kernel functions, not userspace. You'd probably be best installing the 32-bit system and the 32-bit -k8 (I think) kernel |
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| 21:04.56 | ewet | Guerin: didn't have the time and motivation to set up a 32bit chroot jet |
| 21:05.04 | ewet | yet |
| 21:05.11 | scribeskul | man, everything is running so much smoother now! I had no idea the generic nv driver didn't support gfx acceleration. You can really tell the difference between the non-free and the free driver. |
| 21:05.12 | Guerin | well, maybe this will provide the motivation to find the time :) |
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| 21:06.49 | ewet | i won't set it up because i want to learn a new language. guess i better start a vista-vm or something else. the whole linux-flash was a hassle on 32bit already |
| 21:08.37 | cousin_luigi | ewet: I'd switch to 32bit if I were you |
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| 21:08.49 | cousin_luigi | flash 10 works decently on ff |
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| 21:09.41 | OpenTokix | just install 32bit firefox? |
| 21:09.55 | OpenTokix | if your ff-process takes 2G+ you have other problems |
| 21:10.07 | cousin_luigi | that's another option, albeit not so much clean |
| 21:11.46 | ewet | cousin_luigi: okay as i already said: i need an amd64 kernel for acpi plus frequency stepping, for installing a 32bit app on that system i would have to set up a jail/chroot or something and that's too much work with doubtful effort. i have already virtualbox installed and several snapshots of vista that could work. so my decision riped while being here asking for oss flash :-) |
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| 21:15.41 | scribeskul | hey everyone, just wanted to give a big THANK YOU to all who helped me in the past few days! Everything is running smooth as butta! Thanks! Now for a big ol' glass of Chianti and a classic film from back in the day! |
| 21:16.10 | cousin_luigi | ewet: I see |
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| 21:17.48 | stoned | hey whats up |
| 21:17.56 | istihza | Any Turkish users here who can help me check something in Python on Debian? |
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| 21:18.14 | stoned | istihza, you can speak english fine it seems. Why does someone have to be turkish to help you|? |
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| 21:18.18 | stoned | istihza, are you racist? |
| 21:18.23 | istihza | :) |
| 21:18.28 | stoned | istihza, do you not want to get help from someone who is not turkish ? |
| 21:18.28 | istihza | Of course not! |
| 21:18.29 | stoned | :) |
| 21:18.30 | stoned | j/k |
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| 21:18.59 | istihza | I need someone who can understand Turkish, because I will check something relating to Turkish locales on Python |
| 21:19.08 | stoned | I see |
| 21:19.14 | stoned | !tr |
| 21:19.14 | dpkg | well, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 21:19.32 | istihza | OK, dpkg. |
| 21:19.36 | istihza | Thanks a lot. |
| 21:19.40 | istihza | See you then.. |
| 21:19.47 | stoned | good luck |
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| 21:21.26 | owen1 | how to install only the minimum when using aptitude install? |
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| 21:24.51 | abrotman | owen1: man aptitude |
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| 21:25.20 | owen1 | abrotman: ok |
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| 21:26.48 | lewis2 | err - I get 'getnameinfo failed' when I run 'netstat -a | grep web' |
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| 21:27.16 | lewis2 | any ideas? |
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| 21:28.01 | squisher | does anyone know where I can find docs about DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
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| 21:28.48 | vojta | can synaptic somehow install manually downloaded .deb pkgs and solve dependencies (ie install all other packages needed)? |
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| 21:30.31 | vojta | there is KPackage, but it throws error if I didn't installed all the dependencies before installing |
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| 21:30.59 | enouf | vojta: aptitude, or apt-get |
| 21:31.07 | ab3l_ | hi compiled iscan but running i scan says it mis libesmod.so.1 what's ? |
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| 21:34.21 | vojta | maybe it would be good to add certain directory containing downloaded pkgs to sources.list, is that possible or reccomendable? |
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| 21:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, there's no toy story package, though... not even in non-free.. |
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| 21:36.22 | enouf | squisher: try /msg dpkg nmg (i've seen that in mplayer's svn, like so $ DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--enable-streaming" fakeroot debian/rules binary) |
| 21:36.28 | vojta | i turned off my irc client by mistake, could you repeat the answer if any? thanks |
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| 21:37.06 | enouf | ab3l_: use build-dep or /msg dpkg search |
| 21:37.13 | vojta | i remember i mumbled something about best way to manage dled pkgs |
| 21:37.17 | squisher | enouf, thanks. I DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt seems to be doing what I want |
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| 21:38.22 | squisher | is curious how long it will take to build gtk |
| 21:38.26 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 21:38.53 | HardDisk_WP | can someone recommend me an USB to SATA enclosure for 2,5'' HDDs which HONORS hdparm power control commands? |
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| 21:41.24 | jelly-home | can't |
| 21:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, no Obama fan, eh? |
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| 21:43.28 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: ECOUNTRY |
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| 21:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, that was not my point, really |
| 21:45.58 | jelly-home | just explaining my failing to get the reference |
| 21:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh.. he was repeatedly giving the catchphrase "we can" in his speeches |
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| 21:47.10 | owen1 | is it better to use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 21:47.23 | stoned | !tell owen -about why aptitude |
| 21:47.49 | stoned | owen1, aptitude -R is what you were looking for |
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| 21:49.09 | stoned | -R, --without-recommends |
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| 21:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | eha... no aptitude on this computer... |
| 21:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's -R |
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| 21:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird, could aptitude have been removed by dependencies? |
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| 21:50.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey I have a problem I can't install the adobe flash plugin on debian because it says some dependencies are not there and I don't know how to get the dependencies |
| 21:51.21 | FareWell | Is there a USB distro that is installable into a debian lenny distro? |
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| 21:51.45 | stoned | Aptitude::Keep-Suggests, Apt::Install-Recommends |
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| 21:52.10 | stoned | I those two should in the apt.conf should make aptitude behave minimally |
| 21:52.18 | vojta | slaps THE_GFR|WORK around with a small 50lb Unix Manual |
| 21:52.31 | owen1 | stoned: got it. thanks |
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| 21:53.09 | vojta | i installed it from flashplugin-nonfree_1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb and it installed well with KPackage |
| 21:53.21 | vojta | (the flashplugin) |
| 21:53.50 | vojta | but iceweasel freezes often now and I suspect it's the flashplugin |
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| 21:55.10 | OpenTokix | flash sucks the big one |
| 21:55.28 | OpenTokix | vojta: flash 10 beta, is somewhat better, but it still sucks jai-nourmus |
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| 21:56.12 | scribeskul | I have flash 9 running near perfection on my box... |
| 21:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | THE_GFR|WORK, what was the exact command you used to install it |
| 21:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the error |
| 21:56.31 | scribeskul | at least I haven't noticed any flaws |
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| 21:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | near perfection == freezes/crashes firefox only once per week |
| 21:57.30 | scribeskul | i haven't had a freeze or crash yet...should I expect one haha |
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| 21:58.06 | cast | i, on the other hand, would consider not using an app that i crashed once a week |
| 21:58.07 | vojta | i have iceweasel 2.0.0.15 - is that ok? |
| 21:58.46 | scribeskul | I use iceweasel with flash player 9 and haven't had any crashes or freezes... i guess I should include yet, if there are people having problems |
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| 21:59.31 | vojta | is flashplugin-nonfree_1.7.2_i386.deb better version? |
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| 21:59.58 | vojta | im somewhat confused about version numbers |
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| 22:01.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | crashing firefox isn't so bad anymore since one's able to restore all windows/tabs |
| 22:01.07 | scribeskul | vojta: I am using flashplayer-mozilla 9.9.124.0-0.1 if that helps.. |
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| 22:02.18 | EdwardTLS_ | hi all... |
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| 22:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | same as me |
| 22:03.00 | EdwardTLS_ | quick question.. i have a few servers and I want them to use a proxy to cache the same packages so I don't have to hammer a proxy... |
| 22:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hammer? |
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| 22:03.54 | EdwardTLS_ | mirror i mean.. |
| 22:03.56 | TCW | re |
| 22:04.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | well I can't get flash to install the apt-get adobe-flashplugin fails it |
| 22:04.14 | EdwardTLS_ | hammer a mirror with to much traffic |
| 22:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-proxy |
| 22:04.51 | dpkg | apt-proxy is probably a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher>, or look at the approx package |
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| 22:05.29 | TCW | Is it possible to convince gnome to automount btrfs volumes the same way it does it for ext3 volumes? Here, the moment the formerly ext3 partition became an btrfs volume _nothing_ happens while I plug in the drive... |
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| 22:05.55 | quentusrex | Is there a way to let a user have read and write permissions to a special directory owned by another user and group? |
| 22:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | so also try /msg dokg apt-cacher and apt-cache show approx |
| 22:06.12 | Fare | quentusrex, yes |
| 22:06.35 | Fare | quentusrex, mkdir incoming ; chmod 777 incoming |
| 22:06.49 | TCW | quentusrex, just THIS one peticular user? Then you need ACLs... if all others is ok too, then then chmod o+rwx or whatever you need |
| 22:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW, I only use usbmount and only got usb drives/sticks - there you specify the types of filesystems in the config file... |
| 22:07.53 | TCW | CutMeOwnThroat, whatever mechanism you use.. ;) do you play with btrfs volumes? |
| 22:07.55 | quentusrex | I have a webserver that has folders owned by different users |
| 22:08.14 | quentusrex | I'm able to visit the pages, but Trac needs www-data to have read and write permissions to the directories. |
| 22:08.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey could anyone help me make speedtest.net work on my debian box running iceweasel? |
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| 22:08.55 | TCW | quentusrex, another option would be, set a group for that file / directory and throw tha user you want to have access to that file(s) in that group |
| 22:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW, I am happy to say I don't for now :) |
| 22:09.19 | vojta | noob ot question - how to reload fstab without restarting the system?? |
| 22:09.37 | Fare | what would you use to make a bootable USB drive that installs into debian? |
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| 22:09.52 | TCW | CutMeOwnThroat, I just love the gnome automount foo... it handles even my crypted disks very nice... just not the ones with btrfs :) |
| 22:09.53 | joltcan | Fare: For you to read the manual! |
| 22:09.57 | slicer_ | vojta: umount -a then mount -a |
| 22:10.06 | joltcan | Fare: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 22:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | THE_GFR|WORK, apt-get adobe-flashplugin? |
| 22:10.28 | Fare | joltcan, this is not a live CD, is it? |
| 22:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | vojta, there is no reload |
| 22:10.42 | joltcan | Fare: No, you said USB drive |
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| 22:10.55 | Fare | ok, so I amend my question - what would you use to make a bootable live USB drive that installs into debian? |
| 22:11.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | vojta, fstab changes are instantaneous |
| 22:11.13 | Eulex | Fare, 'installs into debian'? |
| 22:11.16 | simonrvn | !tell Fare -about ig |
| 22:11.38 | Eulex | Fare, what would it install into debian? |
| 22:11.45 | simonrvn | doesn't know what "installs into debian" means either |
| 22:12.06 | TCW | doesn't either |
| 22:12.08 | simonrvn | s/into// would make more sense :) |
| 22:12.21 | Fare | Eulex, i.e. the contents of the CD/USBstick, once copied onto your HD, is a valid debian installation. |
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| 22:12.59 | Fare | mepis looks like it comes close |
| 22:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceweasel would "install into debian" :) |
| 22:13.29 | TCW | Fare, ahh... you want a script that installs a debian system from a live USB system on hd? |
| 22:13.35 | TCW | like... grml-hd |
| 22:13.37 | Eulex | Fare, uh, you could dd an installation of debian onto a usb stick, then you could just dd it back... |
| 22:13.41 | Fare | hopes this pendrivelinux post about twiddling mepis works... |
| 22:13.41 | De_Mon | s/install/boot/ or load |
| 22:13.54 | Fare | TCW: yes! |
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| 22:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | tar :) |
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| 22:14.40 | TCW | Fare, then google for that, maybe someone did rework that script for debian... ask on #grml, maybe it is already there or the original one just needs very few modifications... |
| 22:14.49 | Eulex | CutMeOwnThroat, boot sector? |
| 22:14.52 | Fare | Eulex, that wouldn't make it a live system, would it? |
| 22:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Eulex, details :) |
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| 22:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fare, what is it you really want to do? |
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| 22:16.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I get past the error in iceweasel that says that playback was canceld on flash stuff because of a know bug |
| 22:16.37 | Fare | 1- have a live USB system that I can use to test various machines |
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| 22:16.51 | Fare | 2- actually use said USB system to install the chosen one. |
| 22:17.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | it says "this swf file is know to cause bugs in swfdec decoder playback canceled" |
| 22:17.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ubuntu |
| 22:17.30 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:17.31 | Fare | 3- use the USB stick for debugging, etc. |
| 22:17.52 | Fare | I'd like it to be debian, not ubuntu. |
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| 22:18.00 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, use the flashplayer from adobe instead? |
| 22:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fare, that was not for you :) |
| 22:18.03 | Fare | sidux looks interesting, if I can make it boot on a USB |
| 22:18.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: how? |
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| 22:18.29 | stoned | + |
| 22:18.32 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, err? Install it? |
| 22:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | THE_GFR|WORK, ask #ubuntu if you use ubuntu... |
| 22:18.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: apt-get install uuuh adobe-flashplugin? |
| 22:19.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | er |
| 22:19.05 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, no? |
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| 22:19.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: apt-get install adobe-flashplugin? |
| 22:19.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | no? |
| 22:19.19 | scribeskul | THE_GFRIWORK: I got flash running hasslefree... you need to uninstall those flash players packages also, before anything will work. The ONLY flash package I have installed is flashplayer-mozilla 9.0.124.0-0.1 |
| 22:19.24 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, no! |
| 22:19.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | :O |
| 22:19.39 | simonrvn | the package `uuuh' doesn't exist in Debian |
| 22:19.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | no shit sigmonsays_ |
| 22:19.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | er simonrvn |
| 22:19.59 | vojta | where to get "flashplayer-mozilla 9.0.124.0-0.1" google yelded nothing |
| 22:20.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | scribeskul: can you help me please? |
| 22:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fare, as far as I see, there is no difference between an install on usb and on a harddisk? |
| 22:20.17 | simonrvn | THE_GFR|WORK: /nick I_have_no_sense_of_humour |
| 22:20.24 | scribeskul | i can help, let me find that url that helped me |
| 22:20.31 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, why don't you ask your fine package manager what the package is called? |
| 22:20.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: how? |
| 22:20.54 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, you use debian, don't you? |
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| 22:20.58 | simonrvn | start with man apt |
| 22:21.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW yea |
| 22:21.04 | scribeskul | i use debian, yes |
| 22:21.08 | simonrvn | then do: |
| 22:21.08 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, really? |
| 22:21.16 | simonrvn | /join #ubuntu |
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| 22:21.23 | Fare | CutMeOwnThroat, except that an install often is not quite as versatile as a typical boot usb distro in terms of device name, etc. |
| 22:21.25 | asdfa | hey |
| 22:21.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | tcw: yea |
| 22:21.30 | asdfa | hey hey hey |
| 22:21.37 | asdfa | drscheme 3.7.2 |
| 22:21.41 | Fare | also, it's usually wasteful of expensive flash drive real estate. |
| 22:21.44 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, then why do the others here insist you are on ubuntu? |
| 22:21.46 | asdfa | is in etch,old stable |
| 22:21.52 | scribeskul | TO ALL:: Go to http://debian-multimedia.org firstly |
| 22:21.53 | asdfa | or potato or what |
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| 22:21.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW I dunno |
| 22:22.09 | simonrvn | asdfa: what? |
| 22:22.18 | scribeskul | TO ALL, FLASH: Then scroll down and follow the instructions midway on that page to get flash working |
| 22:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fare, so you essentially do the same as cloning the disk - which would be just make the filesystem, tar stuff into a pipe from your current usb-system and untar it on disk and run lilo -r or grub --grub-options-I-forgot-to-chroot-to-the-other-disk? |
| 22:22.27 | asdfa | i have to install drscheme 3.7.2 |
| 22:22.27 | simonrvn | scribeskul: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 22:22.34 | balazsbela | Hello all |
| 22:22.37 | asdfa | this package is in etch,old stable |
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| 22:22.42 | balazsbela | I've been following this tutorial |
| 22:22.44 | balazsbela | http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot |
| 22:22.48 | vojta | it really makes me mad, iceweasel freezing all the time :S |
| 22:22.50 | asdfa | which disto has drscheme 3.7.2 |
| 22:22.56 | balazsbela | and when I start kdm it can't start an X server |
| 22:22.57 | balazsbela | why ? |
| 22:22.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | I need some help please could someone walk me through this I'm lost |
| 22:22.59 | Fare | CutMeOwnThroat, uh? you lost me. |
| 22:23.04 | simonrvn | oldstable is not etch, it's sarge |
| 22:23.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | it's giving me errors |
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| 22:23.17 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, hmm... in this case... flashplugin-nonfree is what you want... if it is not in your repositories, see on www.debian-multimedia.org how to add that repository from there |
| 22:23.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | it says "this swf file is know to cause bugs in swfdec decoder playback canceled" |
| 22:23.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: hmm |
| 22:23.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok |
| 22:23.42 | simonrvn | !tell asdfa -about search |
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| 22:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fare, I mean it's only a couple of commands to clone a disk... and if you want your usb-system on disk, that's essentially what you do? |
| 22:24.23 | simonrvn | THE_GFR|WORK: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 22:25.05 | Fare | CutMeOwnThroat, if I had a >=16GB USB drive, I'd do that. |
| 22:25.08 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: what are the non-free repositories? |
| 22:25.20 | simonrvn | THE_GFR|WORK: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 22:25.36 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, you are REALLY sure you use debian? |
| 22:25.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW YES |
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| 22:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW, because adobe-flashplayer isn't (currently) a debian package, but exists on ubuntu... |
| 22:25.58 | Fare | but since I only have a 1GB USB stick, I want something that has already been made to both fit in and be somewhat useful. |
| 22:26.20 | simonrvn | THE_GFR|WORK: what's cat /etc/debian_version spit out? |
| 22:26.42 | scribeskul | THE GFRIWORK: The solution is at debian-multimedia.org, thats how i got it to work |
| 22:27.06 | Fare | I amend the question again - how to make a usable *live* bootable 1GB USB drive that can be installed as a debian system onto hd? |
| 22:27.39 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, debian is for people who can read... and most of them know what debian is... so I did wonder why you do know so less about debian... but you pretend to use it... no offense meant... just go on, read some fine docs about Debian, then you will know what non-free is and eventually understand what www.debian-multimedia.org is too |
| 22:27.59 | TCW | Fare, did you miss my suggestion? |
| 22:28.33 | TCW | .oO( maybe HE is on ubuntu too? *g* ) |
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| 22:29.06 | scribeskul | THE_GFRIWORK: Listen to TCW, what he says is true. The answer is there at that URL, trust me. It took me a few hours last night to get flash working properly. It's not a doubleclick on an installer .exe kind of thing. |
| 22:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fare, but I thought you already had debian on the stick and to just copy it to disk? |
| 22:30.06 | Fare | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't. My satisfactory debian install occupies over 14GB. |
| 22:30.21 | Fare | TCW: was your suggestion grml-hd? /me jfgi |
| 22:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | scribeskul, not? Worked out-of-the-box for the last years (not before that, though) |
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| 22:31.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | I CANNOT INSTALL TI@!KWEL:GWEMS:"WERSghw |
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| 22:31.34 | abrotman | stop shouting |
| 22:31.38 | cast | well shit bro |
| 22:31.41 | Fare | TCW: grml.org looks a lot like what I need - more so than sidux or mepis. Thanks! |
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| 22:31.44 | scribeskul | CutMeOwnThroat: flash didn't work out of the box for me. it wasn't HARD once i found out which mirror, and how to install tke keyring, but it certainly didn't work out of the box |
| 22:31.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | sorry everyone very frusturated here |
| 22:31.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:31.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 22:31.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | is only available from another source |
| 22:31.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate |
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| 22:31.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | gah sorry |
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| 22:32.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | I think I added non-free sources to my list but I am not sure |
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| 22:32.19 | Fare | THE_GFR|WORK, just use debian-multimedia - it has flash 10 |
| 22:32.20 | TCW | Fare, no idea what "/me jfgi" means... but yes... what you want was already done for grml, grml is highly debian based (sticks to debian very tight)... so go to #grml@freenode and ask the nice guys and gals there about details... |
| 22:32.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | Fare: how?! |
| 22:32.39 | simonrvn | !jfgi |
| 22:32.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, jfgi is just fucking google it |
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| 22:32.56 | pastis8 | helllo i look for a news feed.. popping up, new feed for me to ack, each time ti does, and it can fetch news feed each 1 minute if necessary ? |
| 22:33.02 | scribeskul | The_GFRIWORK: it SAYS on the website. I've said this twice. Read the site. add the keyring. add the mirror. install the package. |
| 22:33.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: where can I get the non-free addresses? |
| 22:33.08 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, you are not good at reading and understanding, are you? |
| 22:33.14 | Fare | jfgi is http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=jfgi |
| 22:33.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | what site scribeskul? |
| 22:33.28 | TCW | simonrvn, *lol* thanks for the info :) |
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| 22:33.40 | Fare | THE_GFR|WORK, jfgi debian-multimedia |
| 22:33.41 | scribeskul | THE_GFRIWORK: debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:33.59 | asdfa | http://paste.org/index.php?id=4343 hey how can i fix this error |
| 22:34.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | scribeskul: yea so I just want the flash plugin for iceweasel to work... I am running this in a P2 300 Mhz laptop |
| 22:34.25 | Fare | TCW: I only see their main page and I already like grml -- thanks a whole lot. |
| 22:35.16 | TCW | Fare, yeah... grml is a really nice Live system... agreed :) |
| 22:35.40 | scribeskul | THE_GFRIWORK: halfway down on the main page it states how to add the keyring. add the repo to your sources.list. use synaptic or apt-get to get the package (synaptic is easier). |
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| 22:36.16 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, p2 300?! OMFG... good luck |
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| 22:36.49 | scribeskul | THE_GFRIWORK: one other thing, you cant have synaptic open and run apt-get commands, you will get errors, and make sure you are root when running apt-get commands (i believe) |
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| 22:37.38 | asdfa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.39 | asdfa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.54 | Eulex | asdfa, what release of debian? |
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| 22:39.14 | asdfa | lenny |
| 22:39.19 | asdfa | Eulex, its lenny |
| 22:39.34 | asdfa | i cannot install anything |
| 22:39.42 | Eulex | what arch? |
| 22:39.43 | asdfa | or remove anything |
| 22:39.50 | asdfa | arch ? |
| 22:39.56 | asdfa | what does arch mean ? |
| 22:39.57 | Eulex | architecture |
| 22:40.04 | asdfa | ha i386 |
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| 22:40.31 | hhhh | !list |
| 22:40.31 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to hhhh |
| 22:40.35 | cr3 | what's the default unit size returned by the du command? |
| 22:40.57 | Eulex | asdfa, odd, I'm on lenny i386, and I've got that package installed (of course), so perhaps the package you got was corrupted in some way? |
| 22:41.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | what are the non-free addresses? |
| 22:41.16 | asdfa | hgmm i dont know |
| 22:41.33 | Eulex | asdfa, what happens if you download a .deb of libpam-modules for lenny and dpkg -i it? |
| 22:41.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | what are the non-free repository addresses? |
| 22:41.36 | asdfa | i am not doing anything that causes this error this is unexpected for me Eulex |
| 22:41.37 | Eulex | !tell THE_GFR|WORK about non-free |
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| 22:41.55 | Eulex | !tell THE_GFR|WORK about non-free sources |
| 22:42.09 | asdfa | Eulex, ftp.us.debian.org |
| 22:42.27 | streuner | cr3: 16K./.xmms |
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| 22:42.43 | streuner | cr3: just use "-h" |
| 22:43.02 | onehitwonder | i installed a new module for my network card, removed the old one and added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. but still everytime i reboot the old module is loaded again and the new one isn't. help ;(... . |
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| 22:43.42 | Eulex | !tell onehitwonder about blacklist-initramfs |
| 22:43.46 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, why the hell did you not get what we told you the last hour or so? Please, explain yourself... can't you read? Are you a bot? Are you blind or somehow otherwise impaired? Again, no offense meant... but I just don't get it |
| 22:43.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 22:44.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW I can't get this to work... it errors out like mad |
| 22:44.26 | Eulex | THE_GFR|WORK, etch, lenny, or sid? |
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| 22:44.33 | asdfa | Eulex, do you have any suggestion to solve this problem |
| 22:44.42 | Eulex | asdfa, I did, did you try it? |
| 22:44.43 | TCW | ththen tell EXACTLY what you did up to now... |
| 22:44.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate |
| 22:44.52 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, then tell EXACTLY what you did up to now... |
| 22:45.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: I'm trying to get the non-free repositories to work I guess |
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| 22:45.17 | asdfa | ha Eulex sorryu |
| 22:45.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | added contrib non-free to the end of the main repository lines and the flash thing won't install/work at all still |
| 22:45.28 | asdfa | i try your suggestion that doesnt work |
| 22:45.31 | vojta | i have the impression the problem with flash plugin is that it takes too much cpu power. maybe if it was possible to set the priority lower, it could help |
| 22:45.32 | asdfa | same mistake. |
| 22:45.34 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, we know what you want! Hell, tell what you DID up to NOW to solve your damn problem. And be specific! |
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| 22:45.48 | cr3 | streuner: thanks |
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| 22:46.23 | Eulex | THE_GFR|WORK, note that currently in debian, flashplugin-nonfree is _only_ available in sid. |
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| 22:47.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | basically I need to have flash work in iceweasel so I tried to install it through apt-get and got errors |
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| 22:47.25 | tty07 | hi, im having problems with grub not recogizing my second hdd during POST but after i boot into linux and run grub it sees the second hdd. can someone please help? it seems that grub sees hd0 and hd1 as my first hard drive and doesnt see my second one at all during POST |
| 22:47.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | THE_GFR|WORK, show us your current /etc/apt/sources.list in a paster ( /msg dpkg paster ) |
| 22:47.46 | TCW | thdid you READ www.debian-multimedia.org? Did you do what was said there? Did you touch any file yet? |
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| 22:47.56 | TCW | damn nick! |
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| 22:48.00 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, did you READ www.debian-multimedia.org? Did you do what was said there? Did you touch any file yet? |
| 22:48.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | TCW: YES but it errored like crazy |
| 22:48.09 | Eulex | tty07, grub runs after the bios POST... |
| 22:48.43 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, you know what good error explanations are? |
| 22:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | THE_GFR|WORK, append your current errors in the paste of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:49.42 | tty07 | Eulex: sorry yeah i guess what i mean is that bios is not reporting the right drives to grub or grub is not seeing them correctly. both drives are on a scsi raid card |
| 22:50.08 | asdfa | Eulex, http://paste.org/index.php?id=4343 did you look my paste |
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| 22:51.16 | Eulex | asdfa, firstly: make sure that your system is in a working state. make for example sure that your hdd is not filled up. |
| 22:51.32 | asdfa | no |
| 22:51.40 | asdfa | my hdd is almost empty |
| 22:51.49 | asdfa | and my system is in working state |
| 22:51.54 | Eulex | asdfa, and the partition that debian is installed onto? |
| 22:52.08 | asdfa | yes |
| 22:52.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | thanks everyone I'm getting nowhere |
| 22:52.37 | Eulex | asdfa, secondly: re-install those packages that it complains about. by that I mean to download .deb package files of the packages and dpkg -i them (with --force- flags if needed, see the man page of dpkg) |
| 22:52.58 | Eulex | THE_GFR|WORK, you may consider answering our questions. |
| 22:53.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | I can't handle 500 questions at once! |
| 22:53.13 | asdfa | dpkg doesnt solve my problem |
| 22:53.13 | dpkg | asdfa: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | asdfa, yes, reinstall those packages, they should have files in them :) |
| 22:53.26 | asdfa | i reinstall package that give error and configure with dpkg |
| 22:53.30 | Eulex | asdfa, how do you know? |
| 22:53.58 | TCW | thecompleteley YOUR fault... we need answers from you, correct and valid and specific and exact answers... without those... do you think we are foretellers or voodoo priests? |
| 22:54.02 | asdfa | just a second |
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| 22:54.16 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, YOUR fault... we need answers from you, correct and valid and specific and exact answers... without those... do you think we are foretellers or voodoo priests? |
| 22:54.18 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 22:54.25 | TCW | .oO( did I mention that this nick sucks? ) |
| 22:54.29 | master_alvaro | i looking for debian repos |
| 22:54.35 | Eulex | TCW, can you calm down a bit. please? |
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| 22:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW, you like talking to random people, don't you? :) |
| 22:54.41 | master_alvaro | my oldstable doesn't found |
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| 22:54.46 | TCW | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah :) |
| 22:54.56 | master_alvaro | where i can get rorking repo for old stable |
| 22:55.05 | TCW | Eulex, I am calm as the wide see :) sorry, I try to |
| 22:55.07 | master_alvaro | working* |
| 22:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW, yeah and you're not in a HURRY to fix his problem, are you? |
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| 22:55.24 | TCW | master_alvaro, archive.debian.org |
| 22:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beer TCW |
| 22:55.27 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Piraat for TCW |
| 22:55.31 | master_alvaro | TCW: thx |
| 22:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | relax |
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| 22:56.16 | TCW | CutMeOwnThroat, let's say...I believe in the "help to help oneself" thingy... |
| 22:56.44 | TCW | CutMeOwnThroat, btw. I don't drink alcohol... but thanks anyway ;) |
| 22:56.51 | cousin_luigi | tty07: is the second hd on some weird controller? |
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| 22:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW, hehe.... and I thought it was the "all shout at the guy from different directions" thingy ;) |
| 22:56.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you should of said |
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| 22:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !joint TCW |
| 22:56.59 | dpkg | passes TCW a nicely rolled marley |
| 22:57.07 | TCW | *lol* |
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| 22:57.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | basically my issue is thisCouldn't find package debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 22:57.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | Couldn't find package debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 22:57.49 | cahoot | you ventrued a lol here? |
| 22:58.17 | Eulex | THE_GFR|WORK, can you pastebin the full error? |
| 22:58.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | that's the error |
| 22:58.39 | Eulex | I mean. the full command you ran, with its full output. |
| 22:58.41 | TCW | THE_GFR|WORK, no it is not the full error |
| 22:58.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !multimedia keyring |
| 22:58.45 | dpkg | i heard multimedia keyring is apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 22:58.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | it does NOT work |
| 22:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | THE_GFR|WORK, still would be useful if you pasted the things I told you |
| 22:59.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | this is the version of debian I am using |
| 22:59.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 13 16:13:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:59.47 | TCW | CutMeOwnThroat, and you complain I don't want to help him? ;) |
| 22:59.50 | simonrvn | that's the KERNEL version, not debian version. |
| 22:59.52 | tty07 | cousin_luigi: both are on an 3ware 9690sa raid controller and they are a raid0 and a raid1 virtual drives |
| 23:00.19 | simonrvn | !version |
| 23:00.19 | cousin_luigi | oh jeez |
| 23:00.19 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 23:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... including your /etc/apt/sources.list - which can be as simple as apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:01.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | fine that's the kernel version I'm very frustruated here |
| 23:01.24 | cousin_luigi | what does it mean when significant systemfiles show a size of 4G and their content looks worringly like a coredump? |
| 23:01.39 | cousin_luigi | am I in trouble? |
| 23:01.40 | TCW | cousin_luigi, time for fsck? |
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| 23:02.00 | Eulex | cousin_luigi, like what system files? |
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| 23:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | cousin_luigi, what significant systemfiles are we talking about here, /etc/passwd? |
| 23:02.08 | TCW | CutMeOwnThroat, oh... I didn't know that package... nice one, thanks :) |
| 23:02.13 | asdfa | reinstall libpam-modules is useless |
| 23:02.14 | cousin_luigi | Eulex: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:02.36 | Eulex | cousin_luigi, uh, well yeah, time for an fsck |
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| 23:02.43 | TCW | cousin_luigi, a backup of your essential files is there? |
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| 23:02.50 | cousin_luigi | TCW: of course not |
| 23:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course not |
| 23:03.03 | cousin_luigi | :) |
| 23:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | backups are for ... people who value their data :) |
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| 23:03.20 | cousin_luigi | help me mom1 |
| 23:03.21 | cousin_luigi | ! |
| 23:03.25 | Eulex | asdfa, how are you reinstalling it? why is it useless? |
| 23:03.42 | cousin_luigi | now I understand what a certain option in the controller meant |
| 23:03.48 | cousin_luigi | "use it at your own risk" |
| 23:03.51 | asdfa | aptitude reinstall libpam-modules |
| 23:03.59 | asdfa | Eulex, |
| 23:04.08 | TCW | cousin_luigi, then powerdown, grab a usb drive (a network share will do too), boot a live cd (like grml or knoppix or whatever you are happy with), have a look at your maybe-faulty disk with smartctl, then make a dd or dd_rescue image of your hd, THEN fsck |
| 23:04.08 | asdfa | it says configure this package manually |
| 23:04.20 | Eulex | asdfa, can you pastebin the full error message? |
| 23:04.23 | cousin_luigi | TCW: it's a CF card |
| 23:04.28 | asdfa | but i cannot configure manually this package |
| 23:04.30 | asdfa | yes |
| 23:04.47 | cousin_luigi | TCW: and that particular machine has no keyboard/monitor |
| 23:05.05 | TCW | cousin_luigi, oh? Then just make an image and fsck it adterwards... but as cf medias are crap... you may have NO luck |
| 23:05.16 | cousin_luigi | :/ |
| 23:05.27 | cousin_luigi | are they? |
| 23:05.28 | Eulex | asdfa, also, I gave you quite clear instructions on how you should try reinstalling the packages, and using aptitude was not part of it. and I don't believe it will work either when apt is in that state. |
| 23:05.29 | TCW | cousin_luigi, btw. /etc/network/interfaces on a CF-card? |
| 23:05.33 | cousin_luigi | TCW: yes |
| 23:05.37 | cousin_luigi | read-only |
| 23:05.46 | TCW | cousin_luigi, could you elaborate your setup a bit? :) |
| 23:06.02 | cousin_luigi | TCW: it's a pcengine alix board |
| 23:06.06 | cousin_luigi | pcengines* |
| 23:06.22 | cousin_luigi | geode 500MHz |
| 23:06.26 | cousin_luigi | 256MB |
| 23:06.43 | TCW | cousin_luigi, ahh... I see... and why are there any essential files on it? |
| 23:06.51 | cousin_luigi | TCW: because the cf card is the boot drive |
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| 23:07.08 | cousin_luigi | being kept read-only I thought it would have been preserved |
| 23:07.17 | master_alvaro | i remember that there was a site, which help user to choose repos for debian, user check debian version (testing, unstable) and region/country; what is name of this site? |
| 23:07.17 | cousin_luigi | but I think it's because I enabled UDMA |
| 23:07.21 | TCW | CF-cards are meant to break very fast (at least the cheap ones) |
| 23:07.30 | cousin_luigi | it's a kingston |
| 23:07.35 | cousin_luigi | supposedly decent |
| 23:07.40 | pastis8 | helllo i look for a news feed.. popping up, new feed for me to ack, each time ti does, and it can fetch news feed each 1 minute if necessary ? |
| 23:08.06 | cousin_luigi | perhaps things will improve by disabling udma |
| 23:08.19 | TCW | cousin_luigi, ooooh! Played around with hdparm and ignored the warnings? |
| 23:08.27 | cousin_luigi | not at all |
| 23:08.31 | TCW | but? |
| 23:08.33 | cousin_luigi | it was an option in the bios |
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| 23:08.47 | cousin_luigi | and it clearly carried a warning |
| 23:08.53 | asdfa | Eulex, http://paste.org/index.php?id=4344 can you look at that |
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| 23:09.03 | cousin_luigi | but I thought it only regarded the udma capable drives I attached to it |
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| 23:09.28 | cousin_luigi | am I in trouble mom? |
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| 23:09.41 | TCW | cousin_luigi, hmm... then I would investigate that issue more thouroughly... like, backup what you can und fsck and test the DMA thing afterwards again. If something breaks again then, you will have a backup |
| 23:09.57 | cousin_luigi | I think data is mostly safe |
| 23:10.11 | cousin_luigi | problem is I have a quite elaborate setup |
| 23:10.13 | TCW | cousin_luigi, don't think and believe, make sure :) |
| 23:10.19 | Eulex | <Eulex> asdfa, secondly: re-install those packages that it complains about. by that I mean to download .deb package files of the packages and dpkg -i them (with --force- flags if needed, see the man page of dpkg) |
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| 23:10.30 | asdfa | you said Eulex |
| 23:10.43 | asdfa | dpkg --force-flags -l package.deb |
| 23:10.43 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, asdfa |
| 23:10.53 | asdfa | dpkg --force-flags -i package.deb |
| 23:10.53 | dpkg | asdfa: no idea |
| 23:11.11 | Eulex | asdfa, --force- flags, as in different flags that begin with --force- |
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| 23:11.17 | cousin_luigi | TCW: going to backup via sftp because I don't know whether or not it will be able to restart |
| 23:11.29 | Eulex | asdfa, there are several, and the man page details them. |
| 23:11.43 | asdfa | dpkg --force- flags package.deb |
| 23:11.43 | dpkg | asdfa: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastis8, I don't think anybody understood what you wanted to ask |
| 23:11.56 | pastis8 | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks to tell me :) |
| 23:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastis8, I thought I wait a bit to see if anyone else can make sense of it :) |
| 23:12.15 | asdfa | dpkg --force- flags -i package.deb |
| 23:12.15 | dpkg | asdfa: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 23:12.27 | asdfa | what |
| 23:12.41 | asdfa | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 23:12.41 | dpkg | package package.deb is already installed |
| 23:12.53 | asdfa | dpkg -i package.deb --force- flags |
| 23:12.54 | dpkg | removes a speen from asdfa and replaces it with package.deb --force- flags |
| 23:13.00 | pastis8 | i look for a rss reader to fetch news each 1 minute, popup a window if there is any, and ack each one or the whole as read ? |
| 23:13.01 | asdfa | ha |
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| 23:14.44 | nxmehta | what's the best way to enable access via the web to an svn repository? |
| 23:15.16 | Eulex | nxmehta, http and https with apache, imho. |
| 23:15.27 | asdfa | Eulex, http://paste.org/index.php?id=4345 |
| 23:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastis8, "apt-cache search rss --names-only |grep -v irssi" ? |
| 23:15.42 | master_alvaro | where i can find list of official debian repos? sorry, debian search not found :-/ |
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| 23:17.00 | Eulex | asdfa, sorry, you've misunderstood. firstly, dpkg operates on _files_. you tell it to install a _package file_, ie a .deb file. secondly, there are several --force flags. _read the man page_ to find out about which they are, and pick one or several. there's even one that activates them all. |
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| 23:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastis8, seems you have only perhaps 3 or 4 to choose from anyways... rss2email looks neat, though |
| 23:17.20 | pastis8 | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you.. seem there is some, i dont know exactly what is irssi.. but well there is maybe some i didnt try so far |
| 23:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastis8, irssi is an irc client, that's why I added the grep to remove those packages |
| 23:17.50 | pastis8 | rss2email.. and read each 1 minute.. i prefer a popup, as window popup |
| 23:17.51 | asdfa | super natural ! |
| 23:18.03 | asdfa | i have several job and i try to handle debian bug |
| 23:18.04 | pastis8 | CutMeOwnThroat, oops yes.. grep -v |
| 23:18.25 | asdfa | instead of this i reinstall debian :/ |
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| 23:18.37 | nxmehta | Eulex: that means using mod_dav_svn? |
| 23:18.38 | pastis8 | CutMeOwnThroat, dcoprss or yarssr ??? |
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| 23:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastis8, dunno, I don't use rss... but did you look at evolution-rss? |
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| 23:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | as a mail client, it should have a working notification system... |
| 23:19.57 | Eulex | nxmehta, yes. |
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| 23:21.02 | pastis8 | CutMeOwnThroat, still.. email.. i prefer something that show up, and i dont have to look for it.. show up.. like akregator.. but i would like to ack on popup window and not have to raise up akregator to ack / those news as read for example |
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| 23:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds annoying to me, to have a popup every 20 seconds |
| 23:22.33 | Eulex | asdfa, reinstalling debian because of this is unnecessary, and a waste of time. |
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| 23:22.44 | pastis8 | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, can be.. :) but is important to me :) |
| 23:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Eulex, on the other hand, everyone needs a hobby :) |
| 23:23.06 | pastis8 | CutMeOwnThroat, well sometimes it does when you wait for important news |
| 23:24.00 | minerale | how can I get truecrypt installed in debian stable? |
| 23:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | never waits for important news... if it's important enough, sirens will sound outside and people will start running through the streets |
| 23:24.02 | pastis8 | CutMeOwnThroat, akregator is pretty close to this, excpet i cant configure the popup window |
| 23:24.05 | asdfa | Eulex, i try to debian live cd actually |
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| 23:26.33 | pastis8 | i tried to look into kagrekator code, but seems hard to guess what does what :( |
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| 23:27.07 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 23:27.35 | Jacob_H | pastis8: often the simplest way to get a random mail programme to produce a pop-up is have it execute xmessage on arrival of new mail |
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| 23:28.56 | cr3rzemjest | is there a program similiar to 'top' but which lists processes with bandwith they are using? like: 'iceweasel downlaod **kb/s upload **kb/s'.... NOT list of connections |
| 23:30.04 | pastis8 | Jacob_H, interesting, never used it, but good point, could be of help, definitly, as long as i know where i could grab those rss headers, thanks |
| 23:30.31 | pastis8 | cr3rzemjest, iptraf |
| 23:30.54 | pastis8 | cr3rzemjest, but not exactly per application, you have to figure this out yoursefl |
| 23:30.59 | Jacob_H | pastis8: it might just be worth throwing something together in perl (or whatever your favourite scripting language is) |
| 23:31.15 | cr3rzemjest | pastis8, thx |
| 23:31.35 | pastis8 | Jacob_H, yes, there is some console rss.. and it could definitly be easier as far as i can see, then look in to akregator code |
| 23:32.03 | pastis8 | cr3rzemjest, ntop;.. maybe better - per application |
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| 23:32.40 | cr3rzemjest | pastis8, i've tried ntop but it's weird |
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| 23:33.47 | pastis8 | cr3rzemjest, wierd... well depends what you are looking for, but seems the best i have in mind for what you want.. |
| 23:34.48 | Jacob_H | pastis8: if you can do any xslt, it's really simply to manipulate rss feeds from the shell which is what I've done in the past when I've wanted to do things with them |
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| 23:36.26 | pastis8 | Jacob_H, ok, i dont know xslt.. some sort of format i suppose, but thanks to the clue |
| 23:36.33 | pastis8 | for the clue |
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| 23:37.48 | Jacob_H | pastis8: <http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/> it's a language for transforming xml. It can be extremely useful as you can use it to do things like convert rss to html or html to docbook |
| 23:38.49 | cr3rzemjest | pastis8, sorry but i've search for 'tranfer', 'speed', 'bandwith' etc.. in ntop man.... and found nothing i dont know where do i find these speeds |
| 23:41.03 | pastis8 | Jacob_H, ;-) ta |
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| 23:46.03 | Thomaschaaf | Hey is there a deb source for the latest apache ? |
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| 23:47.35 | minerale | has anyone been able to install truecrypt in debian stable? |
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| 23:48.19 | Jacob_H | Thomaschaaf: apt-get source apache2? |
| 23:48.19 | TCW | waves the luksCrypto banner around |
| 23:49.00 | Thomaschaaf | Jacob_H: I want to have 2.2.10 |
| 23:49.12 | Thomaschaaf | but not move my whole system to testing |
| 23:49.36 | themill | Thomaschaaf: (a) why? (b) /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 23:51.17 | pastis8 | cr3rzemjest, sorry was away talking.. on ntop.. i looked for you.. all protocols / througput |
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| 23:53.13 | Thomaschaaf | themill: like to stay on top of things |
| 23:53.43 | themill | Thomaschaaf: uhuh. Hardly sounds worth the hassle. |
| 23:54.31 | themill | Note also that older means better tested and a known set of bugs. |
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| 23:56.28 | Thomaschaaf | themill if a big bug would be found in the version right now and apache would bring out a fix would debians source just skip to that fix and maybe skip a couple of versions or would they just create a patch |
| 23:56.55 | themill | !security backports |
| 23:56.55 | dpkg | Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the changelog or the <tracker of doom>. |
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| 23:57.29 | themill | Thomaschaaf: ^^ only security or severe-data-loss bugs are fixed in stable |
| 23:57.42 | Thomaschaaf | wow thanks |
| 23:58.05 | Thomaschaaf | so when is lenny comming? |
| 23:58.10 | themill | Thomaschaaf: stable is supposed to be exactly that -- stable in the sense of non-changing. |
| 23:58.14 | themill | dpkg: tell Thomaschaaf about wwlr |
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