| 00:00.09 | themill | Thomaschaaf: note that with lenny in freeze already, apache 2.2.10 is not going to be in lenny anyway. It will (most likely) be released with 2.2.9. |
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| 00:04.28 | jogla | postgres, python, perl, grub, acpi and apm just got updated in lenny/testing |
| 00:04.40 | jogla | shouldn't it be frozen? |
| 00:05.12 | Jacob_H | jogla: bugfixes will cause updates |
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| 00:05.39 | themill | dpkg: tell jogla about apt-listchanges |
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| 00:05.49 | themill | jogla: the debian changelog tells all |
| 00:06.04 | jogla | yeah, but why do so many vital parts get updates so sudden |
| 00:06.28 | jogla | themill: ahh, thank you |
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| 00:08.15 | themill | jogla: at this stage, you'll find that many updates are "safe" translations updates too. There's a chance that they all got updated at once because the person who was looking after the freeze allowed the batch through this weekend. |
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| 00:09.40 | Jacob_H | hmm...that's exciting |
| 00:10.12 | Jacob_H | a reproducible firefox crash |
| 00:10.36 | themill | only one? |
| 00:10.37 | jogla | steps to reproduce: |
| 00:10.39 | jogla | start it |
| 00:11.01 | Thomaschaaf | so I did as dpkg told me and now I have a folder with the new files in them what do I do now? |
| 00:11.39 | Thomaschaaf | do I ./configure , make, make install? |
| 00:11.44 | TCW | Jacob_H, *lol* good one... is it from launchpad? ;) |
| 00:12.13 | Jacob_H | well, indeed, but usually when it crashes its entirely at random |
| 00:13.59 | Jacob_H | anyone else like to try it? <http://www.lulu.com/content/2709735> with noscript and flash 10 crashes when I try to load the flash |
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| 00:15.28 | JyZyXEL | how to optimize the starting time? |
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| 00:15.36 | jogla | i can browse through the book |
| 00:15.50 | jogla | JyZyXEL: deactivate services you don't need |
| 00:16.00 | JyZyXEL | services? |
| 00:16.27 | Jacob_H | jogla: do you have noscript installed? |
| 00:16.32 | jogla | no |
| 00:16.54 | jogla | Firefox 3.0.3, Shockwave Flash 10.0.0 d525 and no other plugin |
| 00:17.30 | Jacob_H | cool, thanks...now the question is, do I brave the ritual slaughter and try to submit a bug report to Mozilla? |
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| 00:18.01 | jogla | is that plugin made by mozilla? |
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| 00:18.30 | JyZyXEL | what are those startup graphs i keep seeing? |
| 00:18.30 | jvm | hi. i installed a fresh debian etch system, and have no sound at all. neither with mplayer, nor with any gnome application. do ive to install something for it to work? |
| 00:18.38 | JyZyXEL | of the times |
| 00:18.49 | jvm | i tried to install pulseaudio packages earlier, which changed nothing. |
| 00:19.09 | JyZyXEL | bootchart |
| 00:19.10 | Jacob_H | no, which is why I'm a bit loathed to get involved in the "blame the plugin", "no, blame adobe", "no, blame mozilla" cycle! |
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| 00:19.32 | Jacob_H | jvm: have you tried alsaconf? |
| 00:20.20 | jvm | Jacob_H, not yet. |
| 00:20.33 | jvm | it says 'No supported PnP or PCI card found.'. |
| 00:21.08 | jvm | it's 2 years ago since i used debian, but at the time this sound card worked out of the box. |
| 00:21.10 | Jacob_H | hmm...what sort of soundcard do you have? |
| 00:21.16 | jvm | on board. |
| 00:21.24 | jvm | ubuntu recognizes it automatically, too. |
| 00:21.27 | jvm | never cared about it. |
| 00:21.30 | jvm | it just worked. |
| 00:22.43 | Jacob_H | jvm: what does lspci | grep audio show? |
| 00:23.00 | jvm | 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60 |
| 00:23.09 | jvm | ) |
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| 00:23.37 | Jacob_H | hmm...so it's being deteched...I wonder if the right kernel modules have been loaded? |
| 00:23.59 | jvm | how to find out? |
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| 00:24.47 | Jacob_H | I was just having a look, as I'm not very good at modules! |
| 00:25.00 | jvm | thanks a lot :) |
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| 00:27.42 | Jacob_H | might be ns558 |
| 00:27.43 | JyZyXEL | so where are these "services" ? |
| 00:27.54 | TCW | jvm, lsmod|grep snd |
| 00:27.55 | Jacob_H | jvm: try modprobe 558 |
| 00:28.03 | techouse | has anyone here treid DebianEeePC? |
| 00:28.05 | TCW | jvm, what debian release? |
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| 00:28.23 | jvm | TCW, your command outputs nothing; etch |
| 00:28.39 | jvm | Jacob_H, FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.27-8-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 00:28.40 | jogla | How does it come perl has no Debian.NEWS or Debian Changelog file? |
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| 00:28.50 | TCW | jvm, nothing is... very little :) |
| 00:29.14 | TCW | jvm, oh... you are not using stable? |
| 00:29.21 | JyZyXEL | how do you optimize startup speed? |
| 00:29.30 | jvm | JyZyXEL, initng |
| 00:29.34 | jvm | TCW, should i? |
| 00:29.46 | jvm | i want a stable desktop system. |
| 00:29.46 | TCW | jvm, as you di ask... yes! :) |
| 00:29.47 | JyZyXEL | jvm whats that? |
| 00:29.52 | TCW | do even |
| 00:30.08 | JyZyXEL | locate initng turned out nothing |
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| 00:30.15 | jvm | i may have lied. |
| 00:30.15 | JyZyXEL | so did apt-cache search initng |
| 00:30.19 | jvm | TCW, deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 00:30.25 | jvm | everything in my sources.list |
| 00:30.39 | TCW | jvm, and? |
| 00:30.46 | jvm | JyZyXEL, http://www.initng.org/ |
| 00:30.54 | jvm | TCW, so i am using testing, or not? |
| 00:30.54 | JyZyXEL | don't have internet access |
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| 00:31.03 | TCW | jvm, just another proof you are not using stable... |
| 00:31.16 | jvm | so i must be an idiot. |
| 00:31.23 | JyZyXEL | well fuck this shit im just restarting the damn box |
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| 00:31.52 | asdfa | kanald de dogan canku var izleyin. |
| 00:31.53 | TCW | jvm, if you want to see it that way... feel free. I'd prefer the term "less-informed user" :) |
| 00:32.02 | jvm | JyZyXEL uses irc without internet access :) |
| 00:32.12 | jvm | TCW, hehe. |
| 00:32.15 | JyZyXEL | indeed ido |
| 00:32.18 | jvm | it's impossible to downgrade, right? |
| 00:32.22 | JyZyXEL | http not getting routed |
| 00:32.29 | TCW | jvm, nothing is impossible |
| 00:32.32 | jvm | hehe. |
| 00:32.56 | TCW | jvm, I did it several times... but as testing is sooooo close of getting the next stable... I wouldn't mind |
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| 00:33.17 | jvm | TCW, i just installed this system. i may do it again, tomorrow. but i want to do it right. i use the netinstall, let it do whatever it does, and use dselect and choose only stable. |
| 00:33.36 | TCW | jvm, take the opportunity and learsn something about linux and fix your issue :) |
| 00:34.04 | jvm | TCW, i want a working system. i want to work with this, not learn how linux works. |
| 00:34.11 | TCW | jvm, btw. why 2.6.27? |
| 00:34.19 | jvm | TCW, i am really annoyed of ubuntu doing everything automatically the wrong way ;) |
| 00:34.43 | TCW | jvm, then... maybe windows is a great alternative? |
| 00:34.48 | jvm | TCW, just because debian wanted it this way? |
| 00:35.02 | jvm | TCW, i love the shell, subversion, makefiles and my command line ;) |
| 00:35.13 | TCW | debian surely does NOT want you to use Windows... but I think maybe YOU want to use it :) |
| 00:35.25 | jvm | i certainly don't want. |
| 00:35.47 | jvm | i am a linux user for many years, and like many applications and the flexibility. |
| 00:35.54 | jvm | but i'd like it to work. |
| 00:35.59 | jvm | without too much effort. |
| 00:36.04 | jvm | and without constant effort. |
| 00:36.14 | CoolCold | hello |
| 00:36.19 | TCW | Ijvthen I don't get you... you don't like to understand your problem but you like svn, make and the cli? Very uncommon if you ask me :) |
| 00:36.35 | jvm | hehe. |
| 00:36.55 | jvm | i am uncommon. i like to program, but i hate computers. |
| 00:37.04 | TCW | jvm, hummm... I would not think that your issue would need much work to get it fixed... but anyway, maybe just reinstall with stable :) |
| 00:37.06 | jvm | i guess i will ve to study mathematics. |
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| 00:37.21 | cafuego | See if you can't ditch subversion and use bzr instead. It's not 1980 anymore ;-) |
| 00:37.45 | jvm | okay. i will reinstall with stable, and hope it works just as ubuntu 8.04 did, only nicer, and without all the annoying things i don't want. hehe. |
| 00:37.58 | TCW | jvm, see... I love computers and networks and I hate programming :) |
| 00:38.52 | jvm | TCW, thanks a lot for your help. bye. |
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| 00:43.40 | efaistos | is there any good application for video editing ? |
| 00:46.16 | jogla | Vim. |
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| 00:46.52 | efaistos | cinerella cant find it .. |
| 00:46.59 | efaistos | iin the repositories |
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| 00:53.58 | mapreduce | Hi. I'm trying to install git from the debian etch repos on an asus eee, but git-core, which I think is the right package, doesn't exist. |
| 00:54.13 | mapreduce | Is there anything I should check, or do instead? |
| 00:54.26 | efaistos | mapreduce: apt-cache search git-core [0:54] |
| 00:54.26 | efaistos | devscripts - scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier |
| 00:54.26 | efaistos | git-core - fast, scalable, distributed revision control system |
| 00:54.37 | efaistos | so yeah it exists |
| 00:54.44 | efaistos | check your asources.list |
| 00:54.44 | efaistos | mauybe |
| 00:54.53 | efaistos | apt-get update ? |
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| 00:55.09 | mapreduce | I've checked my sources.list. |
| 00:55.24 | mapreduce | apt-cache search shows it, apt-get install says no installation candidate exists. |
| 00:55.30 | mapreduce | I have done apt-get update. |
| 00:56.15 | mapreduce | I have only one debian-specific source: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 00:57.17 | cafuego | George Bernard Shaw was german? |
| 00:57.39 | cafuego | !info git-core stable |
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| 00:57.59 | dpkg | git-core: (content addressable filesystem), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.4.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2297 kB, Installed size: 5056 kB |
| 00:58.22 | cafuego | well that's not helpful |
| 00:58.40 | mapreduce | Why not? |
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| 00:58.50 | cafuego | wanna know if it's in main or not |
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| 00:59.25 | mapreduce | Let's assume it's not. What should I add to that line? non-free etc.? |
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| 01:00.49 | CoolCold | i have server provided by hoster, and i can see NCQ doesn't work |
| 01:01.02 | CoolCold | looks like "compatible mode" set in bios |
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| 01:01.24 | CoolCold | are any ways to check this? |
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| 01:07.26 | epsilon | I'm trying to build a Fileserver/NAS-Box using normal PC... offering file access via NFS, SMB and FTP are not problem, but is there any HTTP based tool to upload/download/browse files? |
| 01:07.53 | Canaris_ | epsilon, just for browsing u could use apache2 |
| 01:08.02 | JyZyXEL | epsilon probably a shitload made with PHP |
| 01:08.02 | SQlvpapir | there are plenty of webfrontends for ftp |
| 01:08.30 | JyZyXEL | and they all probably suck :-D |
| 01:08.52 | SQlvpapir | pretty much depends on what you want them to do |
| 01:08.57 | epsilon | na, the users demanding HTTP access suck, but i have no choice :( |
| 01:09.24 | epsilon | I was hoping of some modern web2.0 colorful bullshit |
| 01:13.20 | mapreduce | cafuego: I just wgetted the file and used dpkg -i directly, thankfully there were no deps to chase. |
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| 01:21.05 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 01:21.15 | DukeDrake | why can't I apt-get install heme? http://linux.die.net/man/1/heme |
| 01:22.08 | DukeDrake | (it couldn't find the package ... ) ?? |
| 01:22.41 | Canaris_ | DukeDrake, have u tried apt-cache search heme |
| 01:23.14 | DukeDrake | Canaris_: yeah, but it finds some 50packages .... |
| 01:23.33 | DukeDrake | while 'heme' is not among them |
| 01:23.55 | TCW | DukeDrake, maybe because it is not packaged for debian? |
| 01:24.15 | DukeDrake | ./ |
| 01:24.18 | DukeDrake | :/ |
| 01:24.31 | DukeDrake | hm .. could you suggest a terminal based hex editor, then? =) |
| 01:25.38 | TCW | hexcurse, hexedit, hexer... |
| 01:26.13 | DukeDrake | sounds straight forward. thanx. |
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| 01:30.37 | CoolCold | argh |
| 01:30.54 | CoolCold | 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE |
| 01:31.08 | CoolCold | does this mean controller is "compatible mode" or not |
| 01:31.09 | CoolCold | ? |
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| 01:31.27 | SQlvpapir | check with hdparm? |
| 01:32.37 | CoolCold | how? |
| 01:32.59 | TCW | CoolCold, dmesg|grep -i ahci |
| 01:34.14 | TCW | CoolCold, but afaik "compatible" means just /dev/hda nit /dev/sda for instance |
| 01:34.32 | TCW | not even |
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| 01:35.24 | scales11 | hi all. i am running lenny and was curious, open office 3 isnt up on the repos yet is it? |
| 01:35.34 | scales11 | i think i only saw open office 2... |
| 01:35.55 | TCW | scales11, apt-cache search openoffice does not answer your question? |
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| 01:37.15 | scales11 | TCW: hehe ya know i never knew how to do it with apt-get, i just knew aptitude had the show option which is nice |
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| 01:37.31 | FunctorSalad | apt-cache policy openoffice.org says it's in experimental |
| 01:37.34 | TCW | scales11, then read some basic debian docs |
| 01:37.50 | CoolCold | TCW: http://pastebin.com/m7944161c |
| 01:38.03 | TCW | FunctorSalad, just if you have experimental in your sources.list... |
| 01:38.08 | FunctorSalad | experimental is here btw: http://ftp.debian.org experimental/main Packages |
| 01:38.09 | FunctorSalad | sure |
| 01:38.24 | CoolCold | TCW: i wanna enable NCQ, that's the primary question |
| 01:38.38 | scales11 | FunctorSalad: thanks. think it is stable? |
| 01:38.45 | TCW | FunctorSalad, and the "experimental" has a GOOD reason to be called "experimental"... not for general usage |
| 01:38.46 | scales11 | i mean realistically? |
| 01:39.06 | FunctorSalad | scales11: no idea but formally it's not even unstable :D |
| 01:39.30 | scales11 | ha. darn. i really wanted docx support |
| 01:40.07 | TCW | CoolCold, "ata2.00: 976773168 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32)" <- ehm? Did you miss that? |
| 01:40.17 | CoolCold | no |
| 01:40.23 | CoolCold | 0/32 means ncq is disabled |
| 01:40.43 | CoolCold | but as i understand drive/controller supports ncq |
| 01:40.44 | TCW | oh? :) |
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| 01:41.34 | CoolCold | so i guess i need enable "ahci" |
| 01:41.59 | TCW | possibly yes :) |
| 01:41.59 | CoolCold | and here i hunged...do i need another driver? do i need to fix smth in bios? |
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| 01:43.07 | CoolCold | the problem is this is not local server, it's hoster's one |
| 01:43.08 | TCW | CoolCold, http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/08/11/turn-on-ncq-on-ich-linux/ |
| 01:43.17 | CoolCold | and i can't just go to bios and check |
| 01:43.52 | TCW | CoolCold, why do you mind then? Does the box have such a high load or 10GE connection? |
| 01:44.47 | CoolCold | not yet |
| 01:44.50 | scales11 | what do you all recommend for .docx? |
| 01:44.57 | CoolCold | and won't i guess |
| 01:45.00 | scales11 | i like the new office, just hate the fomat |
| 01:45.09 | CoolCold | that's investigation now ;) |
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| 01:46.30 | FunctorSalad | what is .docx? just curious |
| 01:46.52 | TCW | FunctorSalad, MS Office 2007 format, that open xml thingy |
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| 01:47.14 | scales11 | FunctorSalad: it is a new format for microsoft office. supposed to be more stable, etc. i dont really care for it, i just need to support it cause everyone else at school uses it on occasion |
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| 01:48.53 | scales11 | openoffice alread has 3.0 out for mac and windows. i just figured linux was out too |
| 01:49.37 | TCW | scales11, it is... but... I remember the early OOo 2.0 releases... unstable like hell... that does not match good with debians "stable" guidelines :) |
| 01:49.49 | FunctorSalad | is that the successor of that ooxml thing? ;) |
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| 01:50.43 | scales11 | TCW: well i am fairly new to debian. i suppose that debian's idea of "stable" is unbreakable, unfreezable in every case? |
| 01:50.43 | piju | scales11, i think there is some plugin for openoffice to open that docx files |
| 01:50.59 | scales11 | piju: i know there is one for msoffice versions |
| 01:51.00 | TCW | FunctorSalad, docx == OpenXML |
| 01:51.22 | piju | i dont work with docx, prefer .odt |
| 01:51.25 | SQlvpapir | the current sid oo does not read the pictures in docx at all :/ only reason I would like the process to speed up a bit ;) |
| 01:51.43 | FunctorSalad | scales11: more or less... "testing" is perfectly fine for a desktop IME |
| 01:51.45 | TCW | scales11, no... bugs are even in debian stable... but imho ubuntu / SuSE / whatever are unbearable buggy sometimes |
| 01:52.32 | piju | some of BSD ppls said that all linux are buggy, not to BSD |
| 01:52.42 | piju | i dont know, i just use linux for my all day user |
| 01:52.44 | SQlvpapir | piju: shhh! |
| 01:53.09 | TCW | piju, that may be true to a certain degree, especially if you talk about the actual kernel |
| 01:53.17 | SQlvpapir | dont mention the war :) |
| 01:54.32 | piju | guys, im using linux :) |
| 01:54.33 | FunctorSalad | I heard from reliable sources that it's dead. |
| 01:54.36 | FunctorSalad | ;)) |
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| 01:55.01 | TCW | Linux (the kernel) development is a hell faster, it has more features... BSD is more or less more conservative, especially OpenBSD imho |
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| 01:56.34 | sajes | I'm using Debian Lenny, and for some reason or another, I can't raise my monitor's refresh rate above 50hz in the kcontrol display tab, but I can with nvidia-settings. My monitor is capable of 60, 75hz, and I'm using xserver-xorg 7.3. Any ideas? |
| 01:56.55 | CoolCold | openbsd doesn't have users, because users are insecure :) |
| 01:57.10 | piju | CoolCold, human error :) |
| 01:57.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | sajes, probably xorg thinks it can only do 50 |
| 01:57.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | !drxx |
| 01:57.40 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 01:58.01 | sajes | Kamping_Kaiser: That's what I thought, but I added vertrefresh options in xorg.conf, which didn't fix it. |
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| 02:00.40 | sajes | Additionally, using xrandr to set the size to 1280x1024 and the refresh rate to 75 only outputs that 75.0 Hz is not available for that size. |
| 02:01.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | could be a bug, but i've not suffered the new xorg yet |
| 02:01.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | not looking forward to it either |
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| 02:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey, it will be a whole new world |
| 02:03.24 | sajes | Interesting. It appears KDE 3.5.9 tells me that it's assigning 50hz, but it assigns 60.02 Hz. Now I can set it to 51Hz for some reason, which actually assigns 75.02 Hz. I found those values with nvidia-settings -q. Guess there is a bug somewhere. I preferred the old xorg too. |
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| 02:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, that randr stuff is pretty neat |
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| 02:04.42 | Roland- | hello is there a way to add that splash screen from debian install cd? the black one? I don't think it's grub |
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| 02:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to have a proxy in ekiga configured on an by-account basis? Seems that the voipbuster/voipstunt like services don't work without the proxy, but others like ekiga.net won't work with that proxy |
| 02:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Roland-, bah, you already asked that yesterday |
| 02:06.15 | Roland- | yes, no answer :) |
| 02:06.24 | zignig | Roland-: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-custom@lists.debian.org/msg01357.html |
| 02:06.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Roland-, well, I still dont have one :) |
| 02:07.12 | Roland- | damn it looks so nice |
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| 02:08.11 | sajes | Now that I have this refresh rate problem.. semi-figured out, I'm guessing the "cannot display video mode" is unrelated. It happens every time I try to launch a full-screen game, such as etracer, and leaves no log. |
| 02:08.40 | sajes | unless you consider "Uh oh.. can't write data.." a logfile, I guess. |
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| 02:09.19 | Roland- | anybody tries that google prefetch kernel ? |
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| 02:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Roland-, heh, but dpkg has a nice answer for spash... |
| 02:09.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !splash screen |
| 02:09.35 | dpkg | splash screen is probably Forget it. A few seconds glimpse of a pretty face isn't worth the heartache. It never is. |
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| 02:09.52 | FunctorSalad | hehe |
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| 02:10.02 | Roland- | I know how to add a splash is ok I just need THAT splash |
| 02:10.05 | frankS2 | honeypot up, just lay back and wait =) |
| 02:10.14 | FunctorSalad | setup heartache or breakage heartache? |
| 02:10.23 | Roland- | actualy is very simple. |
| 02:10.30 | Roland- | with directfb or splashy |
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| 02:10.41 | Roland- | no heartache |
| 02:10.44 | FunctorSalad | it's even simpler with the 'startupmanager' frontend :) |
| 02:10.53 | sajes | Ah, I'll just run games in windowed mode. Seems like too much work for such little gain. |
| 02:10.55 | htmlol | I just installed a new system and am having a slight problem: in fluxbox, there are some right-click problems. I can right-click on the toolbar and on empty areas on the desktop, but I cannot right-click on the titlebars in windows. |
| 02:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... but not worth the heartache :) |
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| 02:12.45 | Roland- | I like splash. I also like nimbus :P |
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| 02:13.06 | Roland- | opensolaris did a fine job with that. too bad is so damn slow. |
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| 02:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Roland-, well, then it shouldn't be a problem to get that image from the bootdisk... |
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| 02:14.58 | pyrohotdog | Blank CD's show up on the desktop, but Rhythmbox still asks me to insert a blank when I go to burn anything. Ideas? |
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| 02:15.12 | Roland- | I tried that but is not an xpm file |
| 02:15.18 | Roland- | or anything known to grub |
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| 02:16.32 | Roland- | next q: if I do all needed modules build in kernel I can disable the module service at boot right? |
| 02:16.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | has loads of deja vus right now |
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| 02:17.39 | CapaH | Anyone here know why sendmail is VERY slow? |
| 02:18.00 | CapaH | I run mail from the command prompt and it just -- hangs, nothing happens - it doesn't send any email.. I run the same command on another linux machine and it sends perfectly |
| 02:18.07 | Roland- | capah dns settings ok ? |
| 02:18.12 | CapaH | how can I check? |
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| 02:18.42 | Roland- | maillog ? |
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| 02:20.15 | CapaH | I do not see anything in mail log that indicates a problem |
| 02:20.50 | CapaH | when I run the mail command - it doesn't add anything to the /var/log/mail.log |
| 02:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | CapaH, try resolving a new host to check if dns works (e.g. host www.nowhere.com) .... but is the server running at all? |
| 02:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | CapaH, what about telnet localhost 25 |
| 02:24.37 | htmlol | is there any way to downgrade a package in apt? |
| 02:24.42 | CapaH | CutMeOwnThroat, telnet 25 works fine |
| 02:25.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | run it with -v -v or something? |
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| 02:30.04 | CapaH | CutMeOwnThroat, : its still silent |
| 02:30.08 | htmlol | ah. my .fluxbox/windowmenu was broken by the install for some reason. |
| 02:30.09 | CapaH | no information at all... it just hangs |
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| 02:32.09 | FunctorSalad | what's wrong with modules? |
| 02:32.16 | CoolCold | has sent request to hoster to check for compatible/AHCI mode for sata |
| 02:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | CapaH, then strace it |
| 02:32.39 | FunctorSalad | oh sorry, that was in reply to Roland- who has already left |
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| 02:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | likes modules |
| 02:34.06 | FunctorSalad | yeah. even if you are certain what you need you might still want to reload one |
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| 02:35.41 | FunctorSalad | the menuconfig driver section has some funny anachronisms :) |
| 02:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I don't like selecting stuff for the kernel... you can easily end up with something missing ->broken |
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| 02:40.20 | JediatNight | any ops here? |
| 02:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, why, do you want to get kicked? |
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| 02:42.22 | pyrohotdog | Blank CD's show up on the desktop, but Rhythmbox still asks me to insert a blank when I go to burn anything. Ideas? |
| 02:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, use cdrecord |
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| 02:43.43 | pyrohotdog | CutMeOwnThroat: The point is to make rhythmbox, I'm setting this computer up for a (now ex) Winbloze user, cdrecord isn't something they're going to know how to use. |
| 02:43.58 | pyrohotdog | *work |
| 02:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, k3b uses cdrecord as backend and looks pretty much like a windows app |
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| 02:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and using the simpler (commandline) tool now to find out what's wrong might be better |
| 02:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I thought rhythmbox was a player, can it burn cds? |
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| 02:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, indeed |
| 02:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | the lenny version can also burn CDs |
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| 02:46.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, actually, k3b can also use the dvd tools to burn dvds |
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| 02:46.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it might be what you want to set up anyways |
| 02:47.03 | dancor | is there no more basedebs.tar for newer versions of debian? i'm trying to follow http://www.eggdrop.ch/texts/uml but i can't find basedebs.tar |
| 02:47.08 | pyrohotdog | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm trying to keep it as simple and with as few programs as possible , and Rhythmbox already has the music library loaded. |
| 02:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | as most times one's having a dvd writer in the system anyways |
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| 02:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, if burning works with cdrecord (or cdrecord + k3b), perhaps you should file a bug report against rhythmbox... |
| 02:49.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check the BTS already? |
| 02:49.55 | pyrohotdog | BTS? |
| 02:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !BTS |
| 02:50.01 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 02:50.09 | pyrohotdog | Yes I have. |
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| 02:50.20 | pyrohotdog | Maybe this will help someone help me: http://pastebin.com/d3cda9084 |
| 02:52.28 | candrews | Can someone help me complete this packaging request? I believe packing is done - it just needs review and inclusion. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505255 |
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| 02:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, can you read all kinds of CDs? This kind of looks like a defect drive (or medium) |
| 02:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, you cdrom hangs probably for >>1 minute with this crap, I'd say |
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| 02:56.00 | pyrohotdog | CutMeOwnThroat: I've tried different brands of blanks. Blanks pop up instantly on the desktop. The drive worked fine in winbloze. |
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| 02:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... |
| 02:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got a dvd writer that *never* worked for me (not even for reading all media) since I bought it with the computer... (just never sent it back because I nearly never used it and didn't notice for long) |
| 02:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps 'I should try that with windows one time... damnit that there are no windows live cds |
| 02:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, still, those messages are from the kernel, not from rhythmbox |
| 02:58.02 | pyrohotdog | CutMeOwnThroat: I know, just figured maybe it'd be useful. |
| 02:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | candrews, isn't that better asked on #debian-mentors on oftc? |
| 02:58.49 | candrews | hmm touche. my apologies. |
| 02:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't HURT to ask here, but I don't see anyone jumping to it :) |
| 03:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | candrews, is it normal that new packages are reviewd? |
| 03:00.39 | candrews | I'm not entirely sure. I'm new to the packaging process. There are just a few cool things, that I think are very useful, that I'd like to see included. |
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| 03:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see... I sometimes feel the same :) |
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| 03:02.47 | pyrohotdog | What if I uninstalled rhythnbox, and built it from source through apt-get? |
| 03:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, what would that change? |
| 03:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, the messages in your pastebin are not from rhythmbox, but from the kernel |
| 03:04.00 | pyrohotdog | I don't know man, just desperately seeking a solution. Ha. |
| 03:04.37 | pyrohotdog | CutMeOwnThroat: I know they're kernel messages, but seeing as how there where cdrom errors I thought maybe it'd help narrow something down. |
| 03:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, still, consider that the space of usless non-solution things you could do is endless ;) |
| 03:05.04 | sajes | pyrohotdog: You probably need to replace the burner. The dvd reader in my computer makes the kernel pump out similar errors. Just a defective drive, I believe. I'm too cheap to replace something that's rarely used. |
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| 03:05.33 | pyrohotdog | sajes: It's a laptop. It worked in winbloze. |
| 03:05.58 | sajes | My reader seemingly works in windows too, but windows limits the drive speed to 2MBps. |
| 03:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, if you want different code to use the cd drive use the scsi-emulation kernel modules for handling the CD-ROM |
| 03:06.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sajes, that's interesting - perhaps one can supply an option to limit drive speed? |
| 03:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | sajes, I also got a drive that never worked properly - and as I nearly never have a need for it, I don't replace it... but having it run even at minimal speed would be nice in the few cases I do want to use it |
| 03:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I actually think it's just de-adjusted - but dont want to screw around on all those adjustment screws) |
| 03:07.35 | sajes | It's a kernel option I believe, but something automatically limits my drive to UDMA33 at bootup in Linux as well. Doesn't really concern me, my burner works fine for reading things anyways. |
| 03:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok, I can only read some stuff |
| 03:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't try so much, but one cd worked, another one didnt |
| 03:08.23 | pyrohotdog | Well the drive does show that there is a blank in it. It can't be defective...? |
| 03:09.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Well the drive does show all these errors. It can't be healthy...? |
| 03:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | (actually a defective medium would make similar errors, though - but you said you ruled that out) |
| 03:09.57 | pyrohotdog | Good point... |
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| 03:10.22 | pkcahier | what's a good easy to use way to do load/bandwidth graph that isnt mrtg or cacti? |
| 03:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've also had the case, where a harddisk gave similar-looking errors, but worked fine when put in a winblows machine... |
| 03:10.49 | candrews | pkcahier munun |
| 03:10.52 | candrews | err |
| 03:10.54 | candrews | munin :-) |
| 03:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't ask me - but it was definitely the drive - changing it against a new one fixed the problem |
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| 03:12.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and putting the same drive into a different (but nearly identically set up) linux machine gave the same errors |
| 03:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 03:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | so we learn windows drivers are just better |
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| 03:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, try the scsi-emulation modules for cdrom... that's not hard and perhaps that handles the cdrom better |
| 03:14.00 | godlygeek | so, uh... *somehow* my /var/cache/apt seems to have disappeared... is that... uh.. fixable? :-D |
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| 03:14.17 | chuck | I'm getting some weird font errors in GD, is there some sort of package I can install to get some basic fonts? |
| 03:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, mkdir -p /var/cache/apt for one thing :) |
| 03:15.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | make that mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:16.16 | pyrohotdog | CutMetOwnThroat: Sounds good...uhh....how do I go about that? |
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| 03:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, see if apt-get update gets everything you need then (I think it should) |
| 03:16.31 | chuck | anyone know about the fonts problem |
| 03:17.06 | godlygeek | well, this'll be exciting! |
| 03:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, hm, what kernel? actually I wonder if all these modules still exist... it's years since I used them |
| 03:18.02 | pyrohotdog | CutMetOwnThroat: 2.6.24-21-generi |
| 03:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, I don't see ANY likely-looking ones in my 2.6.26 kernel |
| 03:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, generic? wazzat |
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| 03:19.05 | sajes | CutMeOwnThroat: Sounds like an ubuntu kernel, but don't quote me. |
| 03:19.09 | pyrohotdog | Well, to be honest, I'm running Ubuntu, but that room was no help and Ubuntu is based on Debian...*shrug* |
| 03:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! problem solved |
| 03:19.20 | pyrohotdog | Good call sajes. ;) |
| 03:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | recommends #ubuntu |
| 03:19.56 | pyrohotdog | tried that. |
| 03:20.20 | chuck | How do I get some generic fonts installed? |
| 03:20.21 | chuck | Arial, etc |
| 03:21.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, msttcorefonts |
| 03:21.18 | chuck | Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:21.18 | chuck | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 03:21.18 | chuck | is only available from another source |
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| 03:21.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrohotdog, haha... and all I can say _now_ is that the cdrom SURELY would run under Debian :) |
| 03:21.35 | pkcahier | I installed munin, and it seems to be running some processes but my /var/www/munin is empty |
| 03:21.47 | pkcahier | I Tried crontab -e'ing with the munin user but there was nothing it. |
| 03:21.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, it's in non-free |
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| 03:22.14 | chuck | I have non-free enabled |
| 03:22.23 | pyrohotdog | CutMeOwnThroat: As a debian user myself, I would have to agree. Haha. Maybe I'll just freaking reinstall and use that. |
| 03:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, hmm, perhaps I got it from debian-multimedia? it's a shame that apt doesnt tell me where I got it from |
| 03:23.07 | sajes | chuck: It's in contrib. |
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| 03:23.11 | pkcahier | oh wait they just appeared... So how does one configure the munin settings? |
| 03:23.16 | DynV | is there a way to make wget overwrite the previous copy (clubber), I only see options to not do this but I want this to be done ? |
| 03:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !msttcorefonts |
| 03:23.26 | dpkg | msttcorefonts is probably a package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). The package is in contrib (ask me about <contrib>) or you can download them yourself from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ and ask me about <install font>. From lenny onwards, this package is called ttf-mscorefonts-installer. |
| 03:23.27 | godlygeek | CutMeOwnThroat: well, i also needed to create /var/cache/apt/archives/partial, but that actually seems to have figured out what it was doing... i'm not sure i understand how, exactly? do the apt-* tools actually use their cache for anything other than --reinstall? are they just basing their package-installing decisions off the dpkg cache? |
| 03:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, there's a status file which is important (don't zap that one...) the cache stuff is just a local copy of the information of repositories (that you get with apt-get update) and of packages you're about to install (which you only need when you install a buggy package and want to roll back) |
| 03:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, the status file is somewhere else, though |
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| 03:25.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, argh! it was contrib.... well, it's alway in the last pocket one searches |
| 03:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, see dpkg above ^^ |
| 03:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | DynV, -c would continue on the same file... |
| 03:26.52 | chuck | O_o wow, it grabs a lot of crap |
| 03:27.35 | CaT[t3] | have to say. i'm suprised how well debian runs off an sd card on the eee. |
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| 03:28.01 | godlygeek | CutMeOwnThroat: wow. i was expecting this to wind up being a much bigger problem. i still wonder *how* it managed to get hosed - either some sid package is horribly broken, or the laptop running out of battery last night left my ext3 partition in a bad enough state that it gave up on /var/cache/apt - but, oh well... fixed. :) |
| 03:28.04 | DynV | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd like to overwrite it |
| 03:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | DynV, for single files, you could always do wget URL -O - > somefile else, I don't see one |
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| 03:29.06 | pkcahier | damn, munin is a 5 min interval |
| 03:29.09 | pkcahier | quite... aweful |
| 03:29.09 | godlygeek | chuck: it's illegal for an operating system to redistribute the MS fonts, but not illegal for an end-user to install them. thus, an "installer" that downloads them one at a time and installs them. |
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| 03:29.32 | chuck | loopholes ftw |
| 03:29.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, it was just not so bad files you got zapped - /msg dpkg status-recovery for seeing all the fun you're in if you remove all copies of the status file |
| 03:30.07 | godlygeek | haha, will do. |
| 03:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, there's actually lots of other font packages - but you specifically said "arial", which is a microsoft font... |
| 03:30.19 | chuck | Still didn't fix this stupid Verdana font thing |
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| 03:30.37 | chuck | grr |
| 03:31.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, "carefule for what you ask, you might get it"? :) |
| 03:31.17 | chuck | lmao |
| 03:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, you could search for a font with that name... |
| 03:31.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 03:31.48 | dpkg | apt-file is, like, a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 03:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | DynV, there's also similar commandline tools to wget like... aget, puf, snarf, axel..... |
| 03:33.05 | godlygeek | CutMeOwnThroat is just one step ahead of me on these font questions, and keeps answering as i'm typing the same suggestion... though, i didn't think to use the bot, so he had less to type. :) |
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| 03:33.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, I just know dpkg is smarter than me ;) |
| 03:33.46 | DynV | CutMeOwnThroat: ty |
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| 03:34.24 | godlygeek | CutMeOwnThroat: wow, that seems to be suggesting that the best way of figuring out what packages are and are not installed once that file gets hosed is looking at /usr/share/doc/* ? |
| 03:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, yes |
| 03:34.36 | godlygeek | yikes. |
| 03:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, not yikes - if you think about it, it makes sense - I think it's in the requirements for a package to have an entry there |
| 03:35.05 | godlygeek | CutMeOwnThroat: i spend almost all of my time in #vim. we don't have a bot, at present, so i'm used to typing out full replies to common questions. :-/ |
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| 03:35.51 | godlygeek | are those requirements actually required for packages that are accepted? |
| 03:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it should actually work out quite well (although I'm not sure for the packages with multiple endings like ... uqm-data uqm-voice etc. |
| 03:36.30 | godlygeek | and i think it would fail completely for, eg, checkinstall (which is known to fail completely in other ways, i know) |
| 03:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, dunno |
| 03:37.08 | cast | maybe a program to compare apt-file's db with the files present on a system and thus deduce likely installed packages would be a good plan |
| 03:37.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got some checkinstall packages, but can't come up with their names to check right now |
| 03:37.38 | cast | wonders why people use checkinstall |
| 03:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders what cast would use instead |
| 03:38.11 | cast | stow! |
| 03:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cast, that's not making a package |
| 03:38.29 | cast | no, which is a good thing :) |
| 03:38.40 | godlygeek | i've switched to stow instead, these days... it seems better to have no package than a broken package... |
| 03:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly so, possibly not |
| 03:38.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | likes packages |
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| 03:39.05 | chuck | http://tools.yourwiki.net/~charlie/graphs/bar.php :D fonts work |
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| 03:39.20 | godlygeek | checkinstall's packages don't have dependencies, and will never be automatically updated... meaning that they don't have much purpose in terms of package management... |
| 03:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, does stow work better in figuring out what files are installed? |
| 03:39.23 | cast | i prefer to say, have an etch install rather than an etch install with a bunch of non-etch packages. also one restrains ones fuckups to /usr/local/ |
| 03:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, you can put in all dependencies you want... |
| 03:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, it's only your lazyness that your checkinstall packages don't have any |
| 03:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or mine for my checkinstall packages) |
| 03:40.04 | cast | so what is the advantage of using checkinstall over building a deb? |
| 03:40.11 | cast | [the proper way] |
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| 03:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... time? ca a factor of 100 |
| 03:40.25 | aborlans | hey |
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| 03:40.55 | aborlans | files list file for package `libpam-modules' contains empty filename |
| 03:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if there's an advantage of making a package without proper dependencies over using stow, though |
| 03:41.08 | aborlans | I cant find anything on google to fix this problem |
| 03:41.13 | aborlans | how can i fix it |
| 03:41.23 | godlygeek | i'd if you're going to go through the trouble of collecting and aggregating all of the information on what exactly the dependencies, build depends, etc. are, that you could just as easily make a proper deb with that info... |
| 03:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | aborlans, reinstall the package |
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| 03:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | how come suddenly loads of people blow their packages and have empty filenames in them? |
| 03:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's as if stuff happens in waves |
| 03:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, if you put all that info into a checkinstall package, where's the difference to a "proper deb"? |
| 03:42.53 | aborlans | reinstall package gives same mistake |
| 03:43.04 | aborlans | i cannot reinstall package |
| 03:43.32 | godlygeek | CutMeOwnThroat: well, that's what i'm wondering, too - what's the difference between passing all that information to checkinstall vs just creating the debian/ directory with everything it needs? |
| 03:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | aborlans, show us the complete output of apt-get --reinstall libpam-modules , please |
| 03:44.05 | aborlans | okey |
| 03:44.09 | aborlans | just a second |
| 03:44.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, you need debian/rules debian/control etc. etc. etc. |
| 03:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, a "proper package" has a source package from which you can build all architectures |
| 03:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, a proper package splits things into seperately installable subunits |
| 03:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so on |
| 03:45.06 | aborlans | i dont think apt-get doesnt have --reinstall package option |
| 03:45.08 | aborlans | !paste |
| 03:45.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 03:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, but you know what parts you want to install - if it's not going into a repository why would you want to do all that stuff? Checkinstall is just making a binary package on the other hand... which is appropriate for the task |
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| 03:46.38 | Tomasu | I can never seem to connect to cdimage.debian.org.. I need the net install cds for testing or unstable.. etch wont net install on my desktop because it doesnt have the atl1 driver. anyone have a mirror for those isos? |
| 03:46.58 | Daejeo | is there any email client for centos with similar attributes as Microsoft outlook ? example you can apply rules for incoming mesages |
| 03:47.13 | aborlans | CutMeOwnThroat, http://paste.debian.net/21544/ |
| 03:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | aborlans, what I remember from the other guy is that you might need to get the .deb and reinstall with dpkg - but try with apt-get 1st like I told you... if that works it'll be simpler |
| 03:47.36 | aborlans | no |
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| 03:47.41 | aborlans | look at paste |
| 03:48.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do |
| 03:48.19 | aborlans | hmm what do you think ? |
| 03:48.51 | aborlans | how can i fix this :d |
| 03:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is this, btw. etch, lenny or sid? |
| 03:50.20 | aborlans | lenny |
| 03:50.26 | aborlans | my arch i386 |
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| 03:50.45 | aborlans | i can get package from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, try with dpkg directly... get the .deb and do dpkg -i <package> |
| 03:51.12 | aborlans | no |
| 03:51.15 | aborlans | it doesnt work |
| 03:51.33 | aborlans | package is not in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 03:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh... was about to say "you should also have copies of that package in /var/cache/apt/archives" |
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| 03:52.25 | aborlans | i dont delete any file in /var/cache.. |
| 03:52.43 | aborlans | all package that i install is in /var .. |
| 03:52.52 | aborlans | but there is no libpam-modules |
| 03:53.03 | aborlans | i dont delete any files |
| 03:53.19 | scribeskul | wrong tense...don't= didn't |
| 03:53.26 | Tomasu | anyone know how I can get a debian net install cd with an updated kernel? .18 is too old, I need the atl1 driver. |
| 03:53.39 | scribeskul | :) |
| 03:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, just download it from the net |
| 03:54.37 | scribeskul | did it hurt?... |
| 03:54.43 | scribeskul | when you fell from heaven... |
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| 03:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tomasu, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/? |
| 03:56.00 | Tomasu | it points to cdimage.debian.org which keeps timing out |
| 03:56.16 | godlygeek | CutMeOwnThroat: fair enough. stow just feels less hacky to me, managing things in /usr/local, without a package manager, where binaries not provided by the distro are meant to be stored. |
| 03:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, will stow always automatically make sure stuff goes to /usr/local or will you have to take care of it? |
| 03:57.51 | aborlans | CutMeOwnThroat, i downloaded libpam-modules and manually configure the package look here http://paste.debian.net/21545/ same mistake |
| 03:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | godlygeek, and yes - I guess I might switch to stow.. specially compared to installing stuff to /usr/local manually which I do occasionally since ... dunno 8 years? more? predating my knowledge of stow anyways... possibly predating stow :) |
| 03:57.59 | godlygeek | you have to take care of it. stow will manage any directory you have packages put things, in fact, you can have it manage ~/{bin,etc,lib} etc |
| 03:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tomasu, hm, perhaps that server has problems currently |
| 03:58.40 | Tomasu | every time I try it its the same way. over the past few months... |
| 03:59.03 | Tomasu | I managed to get a few dir listings today, but the browser crashed and I lost the download |
| 04:00.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure about mirrors for the images... haven't needed an image in ages |
| 04:00.32 | Tomasu | I just want the net install cd.. I have a local package mirror |
| 04:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | aborlans, you got new errors for libsox0a and libssl |
| 04:01.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | aborlans, dpkg --force-help :) |
| 04:02.05 | mhymn_ | Tomasu: what arch? |
| 04:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | aborlans, not sure which one is needed, though - you might just do dpkg --force-all -i <package> - note the "!", though :) |
| 04:02.19 | aborlans | i download libssl and other package |
| 04:02.22 | aborlans | than configure |
| 04:02.25 | Tomasu | i386.. replacing my amd64 install since it only seems to cause IO cpu issues |
| 04:02.54 | aborlans | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.54 | dpkg | aborlans: i don't know |
| 04:03.00 | aborlans | CutMeOwnThroat, |
| 04:03.06 | aborlans | dpkg says i dont know |
| 04:03.06 | dpkg | aborlans: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:03.06 | aborlans | :D |
| 04:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, freeze aborlans |
| 04:03.23 | dpkg | prepares to release aborlans. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
| 04:04.00 | mhymn_ | Tomasu: try this one, direct link to .iso file --> http://tinyurl.com/57rmjr |
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| 04:04.22 | Tomasu | mhymn_: it isnt to cdimage.debian.org is it? |
| 04:04.32 | mhymn_ | it is! |
| 04:04.38 | Tomasu | thats not actually working here. |
| 04:04.48 | Tomasu | it works one out of every 100 attempts or something |
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| 04:04.56 | mhymn_ | test it anyway, any dl manager around? |
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| 04:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tomasu, looks you here (says google) http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/ |
| 04:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | to be precise |
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| 04:09.43 | Tomasu | CutMeOwnThroat: doesn't seem to be wanting to load... |
| 04:11.39 | scribeskul | hmm...this wesnoth game looks pretty good. |
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| 04:12.41 | aborlans | CutMeOwnThroat, |
| 04:12.48 | aborlans | this web site doesnt open |
| 04:13.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tomasu, hm, how about http://isohunt.chttp://isohunt.com/torrent_details/53224511/?tab=summary&babelfish - I wonder if it's the real iso, |
| 04:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, he left |
| 04:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | another problem well solved |
| 04:14.09 | scribeskul | good job cutmeownthroat! |
| 04:14.14 | scribeskul | you da man hehe |
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| 04:15.03 | dav7 | hi, where would I find a listing of every package available for debian - or the biggest collection of packages, at least...? |
| 04:15.20 | dav7 | ie, I'm asking where apt downloads from, pretty much. |
| 04:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | marks off another guy as successfully helped |
| 04:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav7, apt-get update then do apt-cache search <someterm> |
| 04:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav7, guess apt-cache search -- - would show pretty much all |
| 04:16.22 | dav7 | CutMeOwnThroat: uh, I'm not actually running debian. I was specifically asking so I could get a listing of all of the files and their sizes. :P |
| 04:16.45 | CaT[t3] | dav: go hit a mirror and list its directories |
| 04:16.46 | CaT[t3] | if you |
| 04:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav7, just go to a repository, there is a packages.list.gz (or simliarly named) file for each repository |
| 04:16.55 | dav7 | ah. so I'm looking for a mirror... |
| 04:16.58 | dav7 | aha! |
| 04:17.00 | dav7 | thanks :D |
| 04:17.00 | CaT[t3] | if you're looking for a specific package, hit www.debian.org and the package search link |
| 04:17.04 | dav7 | thanks |
| 04:17.17 | dav7 | CaT[t3]: that should find me packages.list.gz, no? :> |
| 04:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav7, moment, i can look up the name... but it's not hard to find |
| 04:18.04 | CaT[t3] | dav: depends on which that you're referrinng to :) |
| 04:18.15 | dav7 | CaT[t3]: oh, heh |
| 04:19.04 | mhymn_ | could someone help me to fix this problem, i get this this error in installing vbox, http://pastebin.com/m409bd5f6 |
| 04:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav7, ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz for example |
| 04:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is also non-free and contrib (instead of main) and etch and sid instead of lenny |
| 04:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav7, further, there's debian-multimedia as a non-debian repository which has some stuff with... difficult licenses |
| 04:20.42 | dav7 | I found it :D |
| 04:20.48 | dav7 | CutMeOwnThroat: I see, thanks. |
| 04:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell dav7 -about debian-multimedia |
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| 04:20.58 | dav7 | thanks =P |
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| 04:21.10 | dav7 | CutMeOwnThroat: well, I'll probably write a parser for all these files... thanks once again =P |
| 04:21.20 | dav7 | might be back with sizes if it works out :> |
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| 04:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | just install debian :) |
| 04:21.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt will do everything needed |
| 04:22.34 | dav7 | heh |
| 04:22.41 | dav7 | I assume the size field lists in bytes? |
| 04:22.49 | dav7 | Size: 332498 |
| 04:22.52 | dav7 | so that's 332,498 bytes? |
| 04:23.00 | dav7 | that does make sense |
| 04:23.09 | dav7 | bbs/bbl :P |
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| 04:24.01 | aborlans | hey |
| 04:24.08 | aborlans | what do you think about |
| 04:24.15 | aborlans | lenny live cd 5.0 |
| 04:24.33 | scribeskul | chirp |
| 04:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that nick looks as if the guy would want to say 'lol' all the time |
| 04:24.49 | htmlol | lol really |
| 04:24.51 | htmlol | ;) |
| 04:24.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | htm-lol |
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| 04:25.13 | htmlol | it's like html |
| 04:25.18 | htmlol | but slightly more amusing |
| 04:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | a mix of microsoft-dos-shortnened html-ending and lamler-laughing :O |
| 04:25.25 | scribeskul | Do you shine your pants?... |
| 04:25.33 | scribeskul | Cus I can see myself in them... |
| 04:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | scribeskul, ops, wasn't wearing pants |
| 04:26.14 | htmlol | well, the ending l in html becomes the first l in the lol |
| 04:26.21 | scribeskul | yeah baby...you...me...and a plastic hose attachment |
| 04:26.26 | htmlol | so it isn't the microsoft extension of .htm, it's .html and lol in one |
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| 04:26.41 | htmlol | since to promote microsoft with my nick would be madness. :D |
| 04:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so you claim |
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| 04:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... |
| 04:27.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "MAD, THEY CALLE ME MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!AHAHAHAHAAHAH AHAHHA AHHAHA" |
| 04:27.26 | htmlol | also, on an unrealated note, after upgrading k3b, it can't handle mp3. however, mp3 works fine on other apps, including amarok. |
| 04:27.32 | scribeskul | i thought htmlol stood for = He told me 'lick oven lightbulbs' |
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| 04:28.02 | htmlol | scribeskul: only if you're on acid. or have a desire to not taste anything anytime soon. |
| 04:28.37 | scribeskul | htmlol: I don't know...I've done a lot of acid in my day and never once did i lick a lightbulb...well, a lit one... |
| 04:29.18 | DJ_DEXTER | ojojo |
| 04:29.20 | DJ_DEXTER | pregunto |
| 04:29.37 | DJ_DEXTER | es necesario usar el debian 4.0 etch rc5 |
| 04:29.41 | DJ_DEXTER | si tengo el rc3 |
| 04:29.42 | DJ_DEXTER | ? |
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| 04:29.56 | DJ_DEXTER | o updatearlo? |
| 04:30.04 | htmlol | hehehe |
| 04:30.08 | scribeskul | squeegle de doodle da |
| 04:30.14 | aborlans | dexter |
| 04:30.15 | aborlans | ,i |
| 04:30.16 | DJ_DEXTER | ahh |
| 04:30.18 | aborlans | :d |
| 04:30.20 | htmlol | el telefono grande. |
| 04:30.22 | DJ_DEXTER | no entendiste? |
| 04:30.23 | DJ_DEXTER | xd |
| 04:30.27 | DJ_DEXTER | ahh bueno |
| 04:30.29 | scribeskul | nachos grande |
| 04:30.35 | htmlol | nacho libre |
| 04:30.50 | scribeskul | i'll take a number #5 with a coke |
| 04:31.10 | htmlol | also, never mind about the k3b thing. I just had to reinstall libk3b3-extracodecs. |
| 04:31.18 | DJ_DEXTER | ya se que el google responde eso xd |
| 04:31.28 | DJ_DEXTER | sobretodo www.google.com/linux |
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| 04:32.13 | htmlol | I don't hablo espanol. |
| 04:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | er, let me guess |
| 04:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !es |
| 04:32.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | now... he'll hit me if it was portogese :( |
| 04:32.32 | htmlol | ah, I thought there was something like that |
| 04:32.35 | htmlol | hahaha |
| 04:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I for sure can't distinguish the two |
| 04:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I heared the difference is bigger than between German and Bavarian |
| 04:33.18 | DJ_DEXTER | connecting of irc #debian |
| 04:34.10 | scribeskul | arrrrrrr.... me cut me own throat, me did! arrrr! |
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| 04:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell scribeskul about dibbler |
| 04:35.48 | htmlol | hahah |
| 04:35.51 | htmlol | I never knew that. |
| 04:36.01 | scribeskul | oh yeah...discworld... I don't remember beating that game or reading the novels...gonna have to get around to that one day hehe |
| 04:36.50 | Maliuta | hands scribeskul H2G2 |
| 04:36.59 | Maliuta | it has a game and a trilogy of 5 books |
| 04:37.17 | DJ_DEXTER | :p |
| 04:37.19 | scribeskul | I DID play the first half of the game, just never beat it |
| 04:37.24 | htmlol | oh, awesome! the new version of fluxbox gives you tooltips of the full title of a window if it's cut off / too long in the toolbar :D |
| 04:37.32 | scribeskul | i like whenh the pig explodes in the dining room hehe |
| 04:37.42 | scribeskul | lots of good dialogue moments in that game hehe |
| 04:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maliuta, the triology was hitchikers guide... there are at least 30 or so discworld novels |
| 04:37.44 | htmlol | a trilogy of 5 books? >.< |
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| 04:38.02 | htmlol | I imagine that's similar to a triangle with 6 sides |
| 04:38.14 | scribeskul | CutMeOwnThroat, actually hitchhikers is 5 books, i just bought the complete works |
| 04:38.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | scribeskul, yes, a triology of 5 books - as htmlol correctly said |
| 04:38.44 | mhymn_ | !ot |
| 04:38.44 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 04:38.47 | Maliuta | CutMeOwnThroat: I know that, I own many Discworlds ... I was reffering to H2G2 AKA HHGttG |
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| 04:39.03 | brujo | jojo |
| 04:39.08 | scribeskul | and speaking of hitchhikers guide...isn't Debian really cool hehe |
| 04:39.29 | DJ_DEXTER | This is becoming a Irc gringo style, or is it just my idea? |
| 04:39.29 | htmlol | it must be on topic if dpkg has a factoid about it. heh |
| 04:40.13 | brujo | is possible to send chars with ioctl(consolefd, TIOCSTI, key); to a graphical program? |
| 04:40.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | now what's that got to do with debian :) |
| 04:40.52 | brujo | ?/? |
| 04:41.20 | htmlol | hehe |
| 04:41.47 | DJ_DEXTER | jeje |
| 04:42.16 | scribeskul | it's got EVERYTHING to do with it!!! Look, hitchhikers guide was bought by me, today, while I was at the mall! While I was there I ran into a friend of mine who had gone to a party yesterday! After he had gotten smashed he ran into a cousin of his who was telling him about this sheepdog who used to wrestle other sheepdogs in pudding! Well the pudding was used in these snack cakes a long time ago, which just happened to be little |
| 04:43.13 | htmlol | I was at barnes and noble the other day. they had such pretty binded sets of hitchhikers guide, gray's anatomy, and edgar allan poe complete that I was tempted to buy them right then and there. heheh |
| 04:43.39 | scribeskul | htmlol: the gilded gold hitchhikers guide? I bought that one today! soft/hard cover with gold inlays |
| 04:44.10 | htmlol | that's the one! isn't it pretty!? |
| 04:44.26 | htmlol | did they have gray's anatomy and edgar allan poe? I was soo tempted. |
| 04:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | brujo, no idea.. #programming or ##C? I would think most graphical programs could respond to console input (which this is one type of I'd think) but don't do it... |
| 04:44.55 | scribeskul | yep. they had both. I was going to grab poe to but I didn't have the flow on me, or any plastic |
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| 04:45.10 | brujo | im using a ioctl |
| 04:45.22 | brujo | but fretsonfire don't response to inputs |
| 04:45.31 | brujo | fretsonfire is running on /dev/pts/1 |
| 04:45.40 | brujo | and i send the chars to /dev/pts/1 |
| 04:45.57 | brujo | when i close fretsonfire the console show all "a" chars that i send |
| 04:46.01 | brujo | sent* |
| 04:46.15 | brujo | any idea? |
| 04:46.16 | htmlol | yeah. I already have them all so I wasn't going to buy them. but they looked so tempting. lol |
| 04:47.07 | scribeskul | well, time to get some ice cream! be back in a few! |
| 04:49.48 | mhymn_ | brujo: perhaps #debian is not a right place for your question, try channels like #linux or those mentioned above |
| 04:51.15 | brujo | yes |
| 04:51.19 | brujo | is a good idea |
| 04:51.52 | htmlol | ##linux actually |
| 04:52.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhymn_, heh, why does he understand that when you say it, but not from me? |
| 04:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | is cursed... obviously |
| 04:52.33 | mhymn_ | CutMeOwnThroat: take it easy ;) |
| 04:53.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !joint me |
| 04:53.08 | dpkg | passes cutmeownthroat a nicely rolled marley |
| 04:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | lights it and takes it easy |
| 04:54.20 | Daejeo | Starting VNC server: no displays configured [ OK ] how can i configure the display? |
| 04:56.09 | htmlol | what server are you using? |
| 04:57.33 | brujo | what mean xconsole in /dev/? |
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| 05:03.31 | DynV | I'd like find to start from a folder and check all it's subfolders except one, is there a way to do that simply ? |
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| 05:04.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | find? |
| 05:05.20 | DynV | the command find |
| 05:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is "check"? |
| 05:05.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes. |
| 05:05.50 | brujo | nothing |
| 05:05.53 | DynV | CutMeOwnThroat: search |
| 05:05.54 | brujo | i love debian |
| 05:05.59 | brujo | but is poor information |
| 05:06.01 | brujo | :( |
| 05:06.15 | brujo | i will use the new O.S. called windows |
| 05:06.17 | brujo | :o |
| 05:06.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | brujo, bye |
| 05:06.31 | Gr33n3gg | windows mojave? |
| 05:06.31 | DynV | brujo: ME TOO ! |
| 05:07.03 | brujo | jajajaj |
| 05:07.04 | DynV | is the next windows a linux distribution like mac OS ? |
| 05:07.15 | brujo | jajaja maybe |
| 05:07.20 | mhymn_ | Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1 |
| 05:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, but NT had BSD code in the networking parts |
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| 05:08.36 | DynV | CutMeOwnThroat: already windows insides look alot like linux |
| 05:08.47 | Gr33n3gg | "The unmodified portions of the Windows NT TCP stack which came from BSD were and are under the BSD license" apparently so. |
| 05:08.55 | brujo | vampires vs wolfs |
| 05:09.40 | brujo | interesting, really |
| 05:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhymn_, may we guess about rule #4? |
| 05:10.08 | DynV | CutMeOwnThroat: any idea about my find question % |
| 05:10.23 | mhymn_ | those are from dpkg anyway |
| 05:10.31 | mhymn_ | what's #4? |
| 05:10.32 | htmlol | DynV: command !(fileyoudontwant) |
| 05:11.01 | htmlol | or for multiple items you don't want |
| 05:11.10 | htmlol | command !(item|item2|item3) |
| 05:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | DynV, yes, find'll do it... if you want to have more details, you should ask in more detail |
| 05:11.19 | DynV | htmlol: so find / !/tmp ? |
| 05:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | else, "man find" is your friend |
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| 05:11.59 | scribeskul | i like to find woman myself |
| 05:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:12.17 | htmlol | I'm not sure if find accepts that argument. CutMeOwnThroat is right, you should read the manpage. find has a lot of features. |
| 05:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | find /home -type beautiful |
| 05:12.30 | DynV | LOL ! |
| 05:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | find /home -type beautiful -exec regularly |
| 05:12.37 | DynV | ROFL |
| 05:12.42 | scribeskul | CutMeOwnThroat - you forgot to add a 'pipe' in there hehe |
| 05:13.32 | DynV | scribeskul: works in french |
| 05:13.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 05:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | find /home -type beautiful -exec regularly \; 2> /dev/null |
| 05:14.13 | DynV | pipe is bj in french .... |
| 05:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | (don't wanna know about the error messages) |
| 05:14.33 | DynV | error is take half your stuff |
| 05:14.50 | scribeskul | E: | not found hehe |
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| 05:16.24 | scribeskul | startxxx - X rated X windows, starring Jenna Jameson as the 'gnome' |
| 05:16.55 | scribeskul | and my personal favorite: Debian Does Dallas |
| 05:17.03 | DynV | LOL |
| 05:17.10 | troubled | woof woof woof's at scribeskul |
| 05:17.45 | scribeskul | hell, I would NAME a release that. haha |
| 05:18.12 | troubled | mumbles something about a 'release' and giggles |
| 05:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !freeze troubled |
| 05:18.27 | dpkg | prepares to release troubled. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
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| 05:18.30 | troubled | anyways, evenin |
| 05:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | eve |
| 05:18.44 | scribeskul | Advertise Debian as the most 'sexual' linux release hehe. |
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| 05:18.56 | Guerin | well, it clearly is already |
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| 05:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-get install porn" |
| 05:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | (metapackage) |
| 05:19.58 | DynV | if user == male : package already installed |
| 05:20.06 | pab | Is there a specific channel for linux based users working in a windows world?. |
| 05:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... downloading 1.3Tb in 357 packages |
| 05:20.28 | scribeskul | if user == female : inaccurate package length |
| 05:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | pab, ha, let me know if you find one |
| 05:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pab, probably gives you hints on where to find nerve-calming drugs |
| 05:21.40 | pab | CutMeOwnThroat, haha....the pain |
| 05:21.43 | scribeskul | pab: you can only find the answers to that in the bottle of a bag or bottle hehe |
| 05:21.53 | scribeskul | first bottle = bottom |
| 05:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | pab, yes, and painkillers... |
| 05:22.39 | pab | CutMeOwnThroat, thank GOD for those! |
| 05:22.48 | scribeskul | I had an idea for a pc repair shop: We fix it, or we break it! $60 to find out! |
| 05:22.55 | scribeskul | what do you guys think? |
| 05:22.56 | pab | oops higher power? |
| 05:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | pab, and good advice how to handle your agression if you went through a windows-help which suggests the obvious things to you ... ending in the advice "please contact your administrator" |
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| 05:23.19 | pab | aaaaaaaaargh |
| 05:23.37 | Gr33n3gg | scribesskul: smashmycustomerspc.com |
| 05:23.39 | scribeskul | I like it when the 'time remaining' on installs and downloads somehow jumps from 15 minutes to 2 hours |
| 05:23.49 | scribeskul | haha |
| 05:24.37 | scribeskul | 'Brand new Vista Machine causes you headaches?? bring it into smashmycustomerspc, where our motto is, If we can't fix it, your out of f**king luck!! |
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| 05:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | pab, there might even be an explanation somewhere, why you have to click "start" to shut down the computer |
| 05:25.21 | Gr33n3gg | haha |
| 05:25.44 | pab | I luv! |
| 05:25.50 | scribeskul | I miss the Amiga....best damn computer I ever owned. |
| 05:27.09 | scribeskul | 'Now for you ghetto Users....Microsoft Cracked Windows!!!! Now with real crack!!!' |
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| 05:29.07 | Gr33n3gg | "Please consult your network administrator" I AM THE NETWORK ADMIN! |
| 05:30.55 | scribeskul | I had one when I was onsite last week at the borough building fixing their freakin 2003 Server: 'Your domain controller may be unavailable, OR the workstation name may be unregistered, OR yadda yadda yadda, OR this is a microsoft product and we just kind of throw this generic error up here to bum you out because its so nonspecific' |
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| 05:42.10 | hagbard_ | bonsoir a tous |
| 05:42.29 | mhymn_ | salute! |
| 05:42.38 | Gr33n3gg | ah, bonjour |
| 05:42.50 | hagbard_ | :-) |
| 05:43.08 | pab | CutMeOwnThroat, Seriously. I use Debian (home and work) but I don't know if this is the best channel to ask linux coexisting with windows questions. Suggestions? |
| 05:43.24 | Gr33n3gg | Try #linux |
| 05:43.48 | pab | Gr33n3gg, k, thank you |
| 05:43.54 | hagbard_ | g un soucis avec postfix qq1 peut m'aider..? |
| 05:44.11 | zinx | !fr |
| 05:44.11 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 05:44.50 | mhymn_ | and #postfix :) |
| 05:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | pab, no.. if it's about how to configure debian to coexist with windows here might be correct.. depdneds #samba ? |
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| 05:51.16 | pab | CutMeOwnThroat, as I thought...I have samba, it's more a database problem. I'll keep searching. |
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| 06:04.23 | Piper69 | howdy guys |
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| 06:05.22 | Gr33n3gg | Right 'o |
| 06:05.50 | Piper69 | how to seach for channels /list doesn't work anymore |
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| 06:07.37 | hoxu | Piper69, #freenode |
| 06:07.53 | stew | Piper69: /msg alis help |
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| 06:09.59 | mhymn_ | could someone please help me with this error --> http://pastebin.com/f10155589 and http://pastebin.com/m1623d93f |
| 06:10.03 | hoxu | ah drat, they haven't covered it on the site, only on blog |
| 06:10.12 | hoxu | Piper69, http://blog.freenode.net/2008/05/services-migration/ |
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| 06:11.19 | stew | mhymn_: i don't see one |
| 06:11.27 | hoxu | mhymn_, did you try what was suggested? Also, in general, include hints of what your problem is, not just links |
| 06:12.04 | stew | oh, i only saw one of the two pastes |
| 06:12.23 | mhymn_ | it says "The version of the VirtualBox kernel modules and the version of VirtualBox application are not matching" but i have it installed |
| 06:12.35 | hoxu | stew, ^aF to rescue? :P |
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| 06:13.14 | mhymn_ | the "module-assistant auto-install virtualbox-ose" that it suggests doesn't help too |
| 06:13.15 | hoxu | mhymn_, did you try m-a a-i virtualbox-ose? |
| 06:13.31 | mhymn_ | yes |
| 06:13.32 | hoxu | doesn't help as in...? |
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| 06:14.06 | c0m1 | hi. I've got asla installed on 32 bit Lenny. Works great for default user, but when I created new user, the new user doesn't have sound or even access to alsamixer |
| 06:14.37 | c0m1 | Do I have to specify allowed users in some config file |
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| 06:14.50 | mhymn_ | hoxu: excuse me? |
| 06:15.01 | hoxu | !tell colby about alsa checklist |
| 06:15.12 | stew | c0m1: adduser username audio |
| 06:15.32 | c0m1 | stew: I'll try that, thx |
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| 06:15.46 | stew | c0m1: (the user will have to logout and log back in before the changes are effected) |
| 06:15.54 | Gr33n3gg | Just wondering, what would be an easy way of booting up a computer over PXE? |
| 06:16.18 | mhymn_ | and this is the output of m-a ... --> http://pastebin.com/m70970a2b |
| 06:16.38 | c0m1 | stew: restarting now |
| 06:16.50 | stew | that's overkill, but would work |
| 06:19.23 | mhymn_ | any idea? |
| 06:19.50 | c0m1 | stew: thx, seems to have worked. |
| 06:19.52 | hoxu | mhymn_, well... you could try the suggested -f switch. Apart from that, no clues |
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| 06:20.23 | mhymn_ | i did that too |
| 06:20.24 | c0m1 | stew: your help is much appreciated |
| 06:20.29 | stew | c0m1: you're welcome |
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| 06:22.56 | mhymn_ | i've never had any luck with vbox, dammit |
| 06:23.00 | hoxu | mhymn_, what does "VBoxManage -v" say? |
| 06:23.19 | mhymn_ | hoxu: 1.6.6_OSEr35336 |
| 06:24.23 | hoxu | mhymn_, 64bit system? |
| 06:24.41 | mhymn_ | no, i386 with amd64 kernel |
| 06:25.03 | hoxu | mhymn_, http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/825 |
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| 06:26.20 | AdrianLP | Is there a Quicktime player that will allow Debian to play the latest quicktime trailers from quicktime.com? I tried mozilla-plugin-vlc, but the trailers just say "no video" when you use that. |
| 06:26.32 | mhymn_ | hoxu: i don't have "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv" here! |
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| 06:27.22 | hoxu | mhymn_, hum yeah, that's on fedora or something, but the point was at bottom - probably some problem with the bittiness ;) |
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| 06:29.41 | mhymn_ | hoxu: i'm reading it, thanks dude |
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| 06:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | AdrianLP, mplayer can probably play them - and mozplugger can make mplayer act like a plugin |
| 06:36.24 | AdrianLP | Ok, thanks. |
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| 06:45.28 | sanjiro | my sound isn't working.. my soundcard is detected, alsamixer is installed ( 1.0.17 ), volume control nor alsamixer is muted.. what could it be? |
| 06:46.01 | hoxu | !alsa checklist |
| 06:46.01 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 06:46.34 | sanjiro | alsaconf isnt a command, it says |
| 06:46.38 | sanjiro | even with super user |
| 06:46.59 | hoxu | install alsa-utils? |
| 06:47.20 | sanjiro | theres an 'i' near the name |
| 06:47.25 | sanjiro | im guessing its installed |
| 06:47.47 | mhymn_ | sure it is, you have alsamixer installed |
| 06:47.50 | hoxu | "ii" in "dpkg -l" means that |
| 06:50.30 | sanjiro | hm |
| 06:50.42 | sanjiro | what else could it be? maybe its the version of my alsa thing? |
| 06:51.31 | mhymn_ | sanjiro: do you have sound in root? |
| 06:51.54 | sanjiro | what does that mean? |
| 06:52.06 | sanjiro | is there a command named 'sound' in root? or does sound work in root? no for both |
| 06:52.17 | mhymn_ | the latter one |
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| 06:55.08 | neoice | anyone ever see a screen come up with a bunch of colors on it and no command prompt? |
| 06:56.27 | sanjiro | on startup, neoice? |
| 06:56.40 | neoice | yeah |
| 06:56.45 | neoice | or... I dont know. |
| 06:56.48 | neoice | its not even my hardware |
| 06:57.14 | neoice | it had a nasty red pixelated screen telling me I had swap: 0kb free |
| 06:57.19 | sanjiro | oh |
| 06:57.23 | neoice | and now it has a nasty blue screen. |
| 06:57.26 | neoice | but its pinging |
| 06:57.29 | neoice | sooooooo |
| 06:57.31 | neoice | *shrug* |
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| 06:57.40 | neoice | not my hardware, client can deal with it monday |
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| 06:59.00 | sanjiro | what's a command to search recursively for a file name? |
| 06:59.09 | sanjiro | like, i want to do find *.mpg but recursively |
| 07:01.05 | cast | find |
| 07:01.31 | sanjiro | what argument to find? |
| 07:02.02 | sanjiro | ? |
| 07:02.25 | sanjiro | lets say i want to search for all files named *.mpg in /foo/bar recursively, and then move them somewhere |
| 07:02.31 | sanjiro | How would you do that? |
| 07:02.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | have you considered rtfm? |
| 07:02.57 | sanjiro | rtfm for which command? |
| 07:03.19 | sanjiro | find --help isn't very helpful |
| 07:04.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | find . -name '*.mpg' -exec mv '{}' /tmp + |
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| 07:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happened to the package of aget? |
| 07:08.08 | sanjiro | wow, thank you, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 07:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what was that program called to make a debian .deb from the installed files |
| 07:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg-repack? |
| 07:10.37 | sanjiro | though, CutMeOwnThroat, for that exact command it says 'missing argument to -exec' |
| 07:10.40 | cast | man find is good, don't be scared |
| 07:10.42 | sanjiro | the find is good though |
| 07:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanjiro, you left out the + |
| 07:11.30 | sanjiro | i added it.. right after with a space |
| 07:11.37 | sanjiro | "/tmp +" |
| 07:12.09 | sanjiro | /media/disk-1/organized/Downloads$ find . -name '*.mpg' -exec mv '{}' /tmp +find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 07:12.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | try \; instead of the + |
| 07:12.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | strange |
| 07:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives me the same message |
| 07:12.35 | sanjiro | the \; looks like its working |
| 07:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | + is faster |
| 07:12.57 | sanjiro | what about \+ |
| 07:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | how strange |
| 07:13.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | + doesn't need to be escaped |
| 07:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | how very weird |
| 07:13.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I had lengthly discussions about that + with \amethyst |
| 07:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think |
| 07:14.14 | hoxu | why would '+' need to be escaped? |
| 07:14.16 | neoice | I know its not debian-specific, but does anyone know how to append an int to a string in python? |
| 07:14.28 | sanjiro | string( 2 ) ? |
| 07:14.35 | neoice | rad |
| 07:14.37 | neoice | I knew it was simple. |
| 07:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hoxu, I said it doesn't need to |
| 07:14.44 | sanjiro | 'string' + string ( number ) |
| 07:15.06 | hoxu | CutMeOwnThroat, hmm yes, but I was interested in the reason why you thought it would have to be :) |
| 07:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hoxu, i didn't :) |
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| 07:16.00 | sanjiro | i did, hoxu, because it was throwing an error for me |
| 07:16.09 | hoxu | oh |
| 07:16.09 | sanjiro | but its probably just an error in the command |
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| 07:17.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, the + is even posix |
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| 07:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | the manpage has it: -exec command {} + |
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| 07:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't see any typo in my command |
| 07:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | is baffled |
| 07:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | now, normally I'd say sanjiro is just stupid and doesn't run it correctly... but I also tried it myself and it didn't work |
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| 07:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 07:19.24 | sanjiro | maybe it has to do with the directory |
| 07:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course |
| 07:19.29 | sanjiro | the /tmp after '{}' |
| 07:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 07:19.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not allowed to have anything behind the parenthesis with + |
| 07:19.41 | sanjiro | so just switch order? |
| 07:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that would be stupid :) |
| 07:20.00 | sanjiro | ah |
| 07:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have to use the \; then |
| 07:20.10 | sanjiro | gotcha |
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| 07:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | difference between + and ; is, that with + the brackets will be replaced by multiple arguments |
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| 07:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, and I actually fell for that extra-argument trap once before |
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| 07:53.19 | lalala | hi |
| 07:53.26 | sir_liu | hi |
| 07:53.49 | Gr33n3gg | Hi |
| 07:54.01 | sir_liu | HI |
| 07:54.07 | lalala | I try to connect to a m0n0wall via pptp. I get the tunnel ip address, but there is not traffic going through the tunnel. I also tried to set the routes but no luck. any ideas? |
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| 07:55.02 | lalala | I can successfully connect from this computer with winxp, so it must be my debian/pptp/routes config |
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| 07:56.05 | lalala | I also used the gui pptpconfig, which made no difference |
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| 08:28.09 | lethalduck | Any one know of any issues in using a USB SATA11 drive formated to ext3 for backup? |
| 08:29.03 | cast | nope, except itll be a bit slowish |
| 08:29.22 | lethalduck | Will debian automount (specificly lenny)? I assume it will auto mount |
| 08:29.31 | lethalduck | cast: in comparison to what? |
| 08:29.39 | lethalduck | You mean using USB? |
| 08:30.25 | lethalduck | I hopeing to get it hooked up to an eSATA interface |
| 08:30.36 | sanjiro | how can you search for a directory that has X number of files, specifically? |
| 08:30.42 | sanjiro | or none at all? |
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| 08:34.22 | AdrianLP | Would grub affect the BIOS boot order? I have boot device 1 set to CD. When I boot, with a bootable disk in my only DVD drive, I'm told to hit any key to boot from CD. When I do, the disk just read/writes indefinately. I've had windows several times on this drive previous, and have never seen this behaviour before. |
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| 08:35.39 | Sebboh | What's a good, small live CD with LVM support? |
| 08:35.40 | ptman | AdrianLP: the cd or the drive is just broken |
| 08:36.08 | ptman | Sebboh: small? system rescue cd comes to mind |
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| 08:36.22 | AdrianLP | ptman, Drive is ok, I've had it in another machine immediately previous. I've tried with 3 bootable windows install disks, all of which boot fine in another machine I have. |
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| 08:36.56 | ptman | AdrianLP: have the disks been fine in another machine using the same cd drive? |
| 08:37.43 | AdrianLP | ptman, Its a DVD drive. But yes, this drive, 3 bootable disks, in another tower and it boots from them. |
| 08:38.27 | AdrianLP | ptman, It doesn't even seem to spin up the disk on this machine when I hit any key to install from cd. I installed Debian initially with this DVD player on this box. |
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| 08:39.31 | AdrianLP | ptman, Can anything in grub cause strange behaviour like this? |
| 08:40.15 | ptman | AdrianLP: It really shouldn't |
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| 08:40.25 | AdrianLP | ptman, This is so bizare. |
| 08:41.09 | ptman | but if you'd like, you can probably get around it somehow |
| 08:41.30 | AdrianLP | How? |
| 08:42.04 | ptman | like boot your debian, wipe the mbr and remove bootable flags from partitions, install windows, use a debian cd to get into debian and reinstall grub and set the bootable flag back |
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| 08:42.14 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.43 | ptman | or put the disk into another machine for the installation |
| 08:42.52 | AdrianLP | ptman, How do you wipe the MBR? I hope this works, if not, I'll be left with an expensive paperweight. |
| 08:43.31 | AdrianLP | ptman, Ya, was hoping to not pull the drive if I didn't have too. I'd have to search for a screwdriver at 4am, what a pain :) |
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| 08:43.55 | ptman | hunting for the screwdriver is the safer option |
| 08:44.38 | AdrianLP | ptman, Hrm. Dang. Makes me wonder now if my Debian DVD will still boot in the DVD drive. |
| 08:44.46 | AdrianLP | Ok, thanks for the help. |
| 08:44.47 | ptman | I can't quite recall where the boot code is, but once you find out using google or wikipedia it should be quite easy to wipe it using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<hd> bs=1 skip=? count=? |
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| 08:45.01 | ptman | np |
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| 09:08.08 | imagelife | hi all |
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| 09:17.27 | Devil_Kin | hey folks... anyone any idea how I can disable the SPDIF on a Macbook Intel (old white model)... the snd-intel-hda doesn't really seem to have an option for it |
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| 09:22.09 | liable | not a bios option is it? |
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| 09:22.41 | Devil_Kin | seeing that the MB doesn't have a Bios.. nope :p |
| 09:22.47 | Devil_Kin | well, not a bios you can fiddle in |
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| 09:37.46 | xjkx | i was thinking on creating a script and, how do i verify how much idle i have been ? |
| 09:38.22 | martian67 | is anyone aware how to make putty work properly with the mouse |
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| 10:05.01 | godlygeek | martian67: "work properly" in what sense? it seems to work out-of-the-box for me. |
| 10:05.31 | martian67 | goldfischli, i mean TUI still where you can normally click stuff |
| 10:05.41 | martian67 | dosent work under putty |
| 10:05.56 | martian67 | *stuff |
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| 10:08.15 | godlygeek | martian67: clicking to select text in the window, you mean? |
| 10:08.23 | martian67 | no... |
| 10:08.31 | martian67 | i mean stuff like emacs and jed |
| 10:08.38 | martian67 | that supports using the mouse interactively |
| 10:08.43 | martian67 | dosent work in putty |
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| 10:09.07 | martian67 | it just trys to highlight text |
| 10:09.14 | cammoblammo | I see that etckeeper integrates with apt. Does it work as well with aptitude? |
| 10:10.31 | martian67 | no... |
| 10:10.33 | martian67 | i mean stuff like emacs and jed |
| 10:10.35 | martian67 | that supports using the mouse interactively |
| 10:10.39 | martian67 | dosent work in putty |
| 10:11.01 | godlygeek | martian67: try, in a shell, doing echo -e "\e[?1003h" |
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| 10:11.15 | godlygeek | martian67: and then clicking and dragging the mouse around. a bunch of garbage should show up. |
| 10:11.26 | ``y7 | how do i install aim on debian? |
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| 10:11.56 | godlygeek | ``y7: the instant messenger is 'pidgin' |
| 10:12.03 | ``y7 | ty |
| 10:12.03 | martian67 | godlygeek, nope |
| 10:12.22 | martian67 | at least using putty |
| 10:12.29 | ``y7 | apt-get install pidgin didn't work |
| 10:12.45 | godlygeek | martian67: in the putty preferences, under Terminal > Features, is "Disable xterm-style mouse reporting" checked? |
| 10:12.52 | martian67 | no |
| 10:12.54 | godlygeek | ``y7: it's probably already installed. |
| 10:13.13 | acemi | ``y7: for etch it's gaim |
| 10:13.34 | ``y7 | gaim works, ty |
| 10:13.48 | acemi | gaim and pidgin are the same |
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| 10:14.04 | godlygeek | martian67: sorry, then, i can't help. it works for me, and should work out of the box. don't know why it doesn't for you. |
| 10:14.09 | martian67 | go |
| 10:14.20 | martian67 | godlygeek, im not talking about copying and pastin |
| 10:14.21 | martian67 | g |
| 10:14.29 | godlygeek | martian67: i know what you're talking about. |
| 10:14.42 | martian67 | what is your terminal setting |
| 10:14.47 | godlygeek | martian67: you want xterm style mouse reporting. which should be supported, unless the box to disable it is checked. |
| 10:14.49 | martian67 | when you log in with putty? |
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| 10:15.26 | godlygeek | it doesn't matter. that control sequence i told you to echo turns on mouse reporting. if clicking didn't cause mouse supports to happen, something is wrong. |
| 10:15.30 | frca | thanks again, opendns works perfect |
| 10:16.01 | martian67 | yes it does |
| 10:16.03 | martian67 | tell me please |
| 10:16.33 | godlygeek | martian67: actually... try doing echo -e "\e[?1002h" and then clicking/dragging. |
| 10:17.00 | martian67 | it does something now |
| 10:17.05 | martian67 | prints garbage |
| 10:17.25 | martian67 | now the menu works |
| 10:17.27 | martian67 | hrm |
| 10:17.53 | godlygeek | martian67: ok, then putty is properly configured, and the applications are screwing up. ask the emacs/jed people why. |
| 10:18.07 | martian67 | i mean |
| 10:18.10 | martian67 | the app works fine |
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| 10:18.21 | martian67 | when you do that, but i can no longer copy/paste |
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| 10:18.47 | godlygeek | martian67: that's to be expected. |
| 10:19.00 | martian67 | godlygeek, why? gpm handles it fine |
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| 10:19.24 | godlygeek | because - either the application is handling the mouse, or the terminal emulator is handling the mouse. |
| 10:19.24 | martian67 | it can seemingly do both at once |
| 10:19.40 | godlygeek | if the application handles the mouse, then the application is responsible for the clipboard handling... |
| 10:19.45 | joneal | hi |
| 10:19.53 | joneal | How do you setup a webcam? |
| 10:19.58 | godlygeek | and, if you're running through putty, there's no way the application can know how to read and write to the clipboard. |
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| 10:22.09 | cahoot | joneal: depends on what camea |
| 10:22.20 | godlygeek | martian67: in vim, at least, you can shift-click to let the terminal handle the mouse keypress, instead of vim... emacs might support the same, dunno. |
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| 10:24.48 | frca | how to set grub to remember my selection (so it's preselected) for the next boot? |
| 10:25.40 | godlygeek | frca: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/savedefault.html |
| 10:25.41 | frca | i found it now here |
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| 10:26.04 | frca | thanks, I see now, I should have googled first |
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| 10:27.14 | ma3x | how come 2.6.27's not yet in sid? |
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| 10:36.00 | ribasushi | hi |
| 10:36.37 | ribasushi | is there some infrastructure (i.e. packaged init script) to set NCQ and other drive related settings on boot-up? |
| 10:36.43 | ribasushi | or do I need to handroll my own? |
| 10:36.54 | ribasushi | (I rather use a prepackaged solution if such exists) |
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| 10:38.59 | zxxd | hi |
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| 10:39.58 | zxxd | i removed a removable drive from the machine but it still appears in /dev/sdb |
| 10:40.01 | tziku | hello, i want to wake up another interface (ifconfig eth0:1) with another mac addres and who get ip address (with dhcp) from my router. Using debian 4.0 |
| 10:40.05 | zxxd | how do i fix it |
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| 10:49.53 | joltcan | zxxd: It will be removed when you unplug the drive |
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| 10:50.53 | zxxd | t's a scsi hardrive but it's hot swappable |
| 10:51.00 | zxxd | it didnt detect it was removed |
| 10:51.04 | zxxd | i need to manually remove it |
| 10:51.24 | zxxd | i wonder what would happen if i manually remove the block device from /dev |
| 10:51.36 | joltcan | try "eject" |
| 10:51.46 | joltcan | No, the block device in dev is only a link |
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| 10:54.05 | joltcan | zxxd: Maybe this is helpful? http://forum.soft32.com/linux2/Hotswap-SATA-II-drives-Ubuntu-Linux-ftopict27095.html |
| 10:54.10 | joltcan | I have no experience of it myself |
| 10:54.36 | balazsbela | Hello. I followed this tutorial to make kde4 work in a chroot.http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot |
| 10:54.42 | ribasushi | ncq and other disk param control on startup anyone? |
| 10:54.46 | balazsbela | If I have x running on display 0 it fails to start x |
| 10:54.50 | balazsbela | if it's not running |
| 10:54.59 | balazsbela | it starts X but I have no mouse or keyboard |
| 10:55.11 | balazsbela | I don't know why but it uses the VESA driver |
| 10:55.15 | balazsbela | it should use radeon |
| 10:55.20 | balazsbela | it's installed in the chroot environment |
| 10:55.24 | balazsbela | and it shows up in lsmod too |
| 10:55.29 | balazsbela | I don't get it |
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| 11:04.44 | ^rudd | how can I provide continuous connection of a program to a server, because it is able to reconnect |
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| 11:09.33 | Edward123 | hey |
| 11:10.04 | sebastian^ | hi |
| 11:10.07 | sebastian^ | oh no |
| 11:10.08 | sebastian^ | ho |
| 11:10.25 | Edward123 | i'm trying to setup ushare but it has a ton of dependencies, and i can't seem to install it via apt |
| 11:10.31 | Edward123 | is there a way i can find out if it's available in some 3rd party repo? |
| 11:10.55 | sebastian^ | maybe google? |
| 11:10.59 | re_ | i have problems downloading Lenny installer rc1 |
| 11:11.02 | re_ | whatever image i select from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 11:11.05 | re_ | i only get about 24-30 MB |
| 11:11.07 | sebastian^ | backports? or something else |
| 11:11.08 | Edward123 | well i've tried 'installing libdlna with apt' but no luck so far |
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| 11:13.00 | fnmueller | re_: which installer type do you download? |
| 11:13.59 | re_ | fnmueller: i have tried small CD, and first CD of a set, same result |
| 11:14.21 | fnmueller | re_: which architecture do you need? |
| 11:14.27 | cahoot | re_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso downloads effortlessly here |
| 11:14.28 | re_ | i386 |
| 11:14.43 | re_ | ok, i'll try once more |
| 11:15.30 | fnmueller | re_: this should work http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:16.50 | fnmueller | cahoot: a netinst is not exactly bigger than what re_ downloaded already ;-) |
| 11:17.47 | cahoot | fnmueller: well it amounted to 157MB |
| 11:18.17 | fnmueller | cahoot: ohh, I thougt businesscard, sorry |
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| 11:23.01 | Edward123 | http://pastebin.com/d76ef54ec <- does this just mean apt can't find the required dependencies in any of my current sources? or something more sinister? |
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| 11:26.32 | earthian | Good morning |
| 11:27.28 | earthian | I have problems using a GPS device with gpsdrive and gpsd in debian lenny. |
| 11:27.53 | earthian | the /dev/rfcomm0 somehow says that its access is denied or so.. |
| 11:28.10 | neoice | is there an option when you make an ssh tunnel to suppress errors? |
| 11:28.22 | earthian | i have followed http://reboot.cz/english/linux-setup-examples/debian-and-nokia-ld-3w-gps-dongle/articles.html?id=821 |
| 11:28.26 | neoice | like that "channel 2: administrative prohbitited" garbage |
| 11:29.03 | re_ | fnmueller, cahoot: there seem to be a problem with the page, i can see the listing, but cannot download an image. will try wget now. |
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| 11:29.40 | fnmueller | re_: yeah, give us the error message. Maybe your provider is blocking it or sth |
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| 11:35.20 | re_ | fnmueller, cahoot: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... |
| 11:36.08 | re_ | (the ip is 130.239.18.137:80) |
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| 11:37.54 | oz__ | hi, I remember seeing somewhere that I can evaluate expressions in latex (such as a=1, b=2 a+b) can anyone guide me to a guide, I can't find it in google |
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| 11:41.58 | re_ | fnmueller, cahoot: still waiting... HTTP request sent, awaiting response... |
| 11:42.25 | fnmueller | re_: I guess that the connection is filtered |
| 11:42.30 | cahoot | re_: what can I say - downloaded just fine here |
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| 11:42.33 | fnmueller | but I just guess |
| 11:42.35 | godlygeek | oz__: perhaps #latex would be a better place to ask? |
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| 11:43.29 | re_ | fnmueller: i have downloaded many isos from debian. this is the first time i have problems. is there another URL to try? |
| 11:43.38 | oz__ | godlygeek, perhaps... I'll there too |
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| 11:44.55 | fnmueller | re_: try http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian-cd/ |
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| 11:50.39 | re_ | fnmueller: i can't spot Lenny installer rc1 on http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian-cd/ |
| 11:51.32 | fnmueller | hmmm, I dunno, it shoudl be there somewhere I believe re_ |
| 11:51.32 | re_ | isn't 4.0_r5 etch? |
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| 11:54.35 | liable | round robin for me gives me http://gensho.acc.umu.se/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:54.39 | liable | try that |
| 11:55.14 | re_ | thnks, i will |
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| 11:58.21 | re_ | liable: this one runs :) |
| 11:58.37 | liable | cool :) |
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| 12:03.30 | dajero | How do I change the X11 keymap. I've managed to correctly configure the keymap used in a normal console with dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but X still uses the wrong keymap |
| 12:03.42 | PurpleHaze | How would i change my keyboard to US with a non-graphical interface, cli ? |
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| 12:03.55 | liable | heh |
| 12:04.08 | dajero | lol |
| 12:04.09 | liable | PurpleHaze: see what dajero just wrote |
| 12:04.44 | PurpleHaze | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 12:04.48 | dajero | liable, remember me from yesterday? Debian is running on that darn little sony vaio. Took me an entire day to get everything up and running :) |
| 12:04.58 | dajero | PurpleHaze, yes in a console as root type dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 12:05.04 | PurpleHaze | safe |
| 12:05.10 | liable | dajero: ah cool. how did you do it? |
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| 12:05.22 | liable | dajero: by the way, x keymap is in xorg.conf |
| 12:06.04 | PurpleHaze | Thanks guys xD |
| 12:06.28 | dajero | liable, downloaded the hd-media vmlinuz and initrd.gz. Then copied the CD1 iso to the windows C drive. Ran the installer using loadlin which then found the package repository in the ISO |
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| 12:06.57 | dajero | afterwards i had to copy a few extra .deb files from my regular laptop using a USB stick to the old one to get wireless set up |
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| 12:07.17 | dajero | once the wireless was up and running, I could finally finish configuring the entire system |
| 12:07.20 | liable | dajero: good one. |
| 12:07.22 | Ejer | hi any one from #debian OP her? |
| 12:07.42 | liable | havent seen any recently |
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| 12:08.49 | dajero | Only thing that's left is to upgrade the RAM to 128MB. 64MB is barely enough to run icewm and iceweasel |
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| 12:10.29 | dajero | mm gotta catch my bus |
| 12:10.30 | dajero | adios |
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| 12:11.34 | dury | hi there all :) |
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| 12:13.38 | dury | flash plugin in iceweasel. how to..... I did with flash 10... it seems not to work or I did it wrongly |
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| 12:17.39 | re_ | liable: whatis round robin? |
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| 12:18.14 | CaT[t3] | ooh. i just installed lenny. this means i can actually use flash10 :0 |
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| 12:21.16 | liable | re_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_robin_DNS though i think the cdimage dns may have been done by geographical means, which i dont know how they do |
| 12:21.29 | liable | seeing as .se is pretty close to me |
| 12:22.32 | re_ | ahh |
| 12:22.55 | dury | CaT[t3]: lenny... what's that |
| 12:23.23 | zxxd | hey |
| 12:24.40 | zxxd | how do i bind all RPC services to a specific IP |
| 12:24.44 | CaT[t3] | dury: ook? |
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| 12:26.22 | dury | CaT[t3]: does your flash player 10 plugin in iceweasel |
| 12:26.31 | dury | work |
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| 12:27.45 | CaT[t3] | dury: have not tried yet but it should. why? |
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| 12:29.35 | ubd | xfce thinks that i have 2 screens how do i fix this |
| 12:30.02 | CaT[t3] | ask it about its mother |
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| 12:31.19 | jelly-home | zxxd: which debian release? |
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| 12:34.43 | CaT[t3] | time to get wild and woolly installing fonts |
| 12:34.46 | jelly-home | zxxd: etch and above have /etc/default/portmap |
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| 12:36.00 | dury | CaT[t3]: mine doesn't work... how can I work it out. Could you help me please |
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| 12:36.41 | dury | CaT[t3]: I would really appreciate it :) |
| 12:37.48 | dury | CaT[t3]: or maybe it would be better to install flash 9 |
| 12:38.46 | CaT[t3] | dury: are you using etch or lenny? |
| 12:39.53 | abrotman | dury: show us your sources.list |
| 12:40.11 | abrotman | in a pastebin |
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| 12:41.15 | dury | great guys... guve time time ok |
| 12:41.42 | dury | guve time -> give me |
| 12:41.51 | CaT[t3] | dury: if you don't know which, what does /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 12:42.16 | dury | it's etch |
| 12:42.38 | CaT[t3] | dury: then you can't afaik. |
| 12:42.55 | CaT[t3] | dury: etch is missing a lib that flash10 wants |
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| 12:44.06 | micols | how do i export iscsi from a mounted drive? |
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| 12:51.30 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 12:52.30 | DukeDrake | I'm upgrading from sarge to etch. After finishing "aptitude upgrade" I reboot and get a ""no more processes left in the runlevel" message with no possibility to log on. |
| 12:52.33 | DukeDrake | Any hints? |
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| 12:54.54 | markvandenborre | .deb-ifying a simple ruby gem for use in the packaged version of ruby on rails |
| 12:55.00 | markvandenborre | that is what I'd like to do |
| 12:55.06 | markvandenborre | any hints on that one? |
| 12:55.18 | markvandenborre | qq |
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| 12:56.49 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: did you run aptitude dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade)? |
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| 12:57.31 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: only 'upgrade'. The tutorial suggests to run dist-upgrade after installing the new kernel |
| 12:57.32 | orlok | Anybody here running debian on mips? |
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| 12:58.16 | DukeDrake | THough I already installed a new kernel, I'm a bit out of luck now. |
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| 12:58.48 | Pabix | hello! I have installed KDE4 using the experimental branch of the repositories, but I have an upgrade problem; when I try to dist-upgrade or full-upgrade, this is not possible; it proposes to remove most of the kde components |
| 13:00.17 | Nibbler | DukeDrake: sounds like a damaged /etc/inittab maybe.... |
| 13:00.49 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: should you not have then run dist-upgrade before rebooting? |
| 13:02.03 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: oh ... you're right. |
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| 13:02.17 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: but I wasn't sure if the kernel would work |
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| 13:02.28 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: were you on a 2.6 kernel before you upgraded? |
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| 13:02.39 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: no. 2.4.21 |
| 13:02.47 | dupondje | my XFS filesystem reports I have 20gb free, but if I try to make a file on it, it says device out of space ... |
| 13:02.49 | dupondje | anyd i's ? |
| 13:03.01 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: So I guess the thing to do is find a way to login and fix the prroblem with dist-upgrade? |
| 13:03.13 | xingu | dupondje: df -i ? |
| 13:03.19 | tuxcraft1r | hello everybody, i just wanted to check that this is still the latest manual for debian packaging? http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html |
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| 13:03.32 | dupondje | /dev/sdb 83509968 1014464 82495504 2% / |
| 13:03.52 | Jacob_H | grrr… |
| 13:04.02 | xingu | dupondje: is the filesystem >200gb in size? |
| 13:04.11 | dupondje | yep :) |
| 13:04.13 | abrotman | tuxcraft1r: yes |
| 13:04.14 | Jacob_H | accidentally held down "Alt" whilst using "Ctrl + Backspace" to delete by word |
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| 13:04.31 | tuxcraft1r | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 13:04.36 | DukeDrake | o.o |
| 13:04.53 | xingu | dupondje: reserved area on unix filesystems is typically 10% (semi-cargo cult limit, ufs-like allocators go bananas beyond this) |
| 13:04.57 | Pabix | Jacob_H, sorry for you :) |
| 13:05.11 | dupondje | its not the root FS |
| 13:05.17 | dupondje | so it should get 100% full :( |
| 13:05.19 | xingu | dupondje: only root can exceed the reserved limit |
| 13:05.28 | dupondje | I tried to make a file as root |
| 13:05.30 | dupondje | doesn't work :) |
| 13:05.37 | xingu | dupondje: doesn't matter what the mountpoint is, it's a property of the filesystem |
| 13:06.04 | dupondje | it has been 100% full before :s |
| 13:06.05 | xingu | dupondje: you sure you were really root? uid!=euid and all that jazz |
| 13:06.10 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: I wonder whether you could boot from a recovery disk, mount your / drive, chroot and then aptitude dist-upgrade, but I'm speculating here... |
| 13:06.21 | jelly-home | dupondje: what about du -i ? |
| 13:06.41 | xingu | dupondje: might be an idea to sniff out how large the journal is too - that will be 1/ hidden 2/ booking some space. |
| 13:06.44 | jelly-home | er, df -i |
| 13:06.53 | xingu | hands jelly a scrollback key |
| 13:06.56 | xingu | grins |
| 13:06.58 | dupondje | /dev/sdb 83509968 1014464 82495504 2% / thats df -i :p |
| 13:06.58 | Jacob_H | Pabix: I must investigate remapping that combination… |
| 13:06.59 | jelly-home | curses! |
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| 13:07.17 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: I understand I have to find a way to login. I have two possibilities: |
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| 13:07.51 | DukeDrake | usually I log in via SSH, but the sshd doesn't work since I installed the new kernel. |
| 13:07.53 | Pabix | Jacob_H, this could be an idea… Ctrl-Alt-Pause could be better |
| 13:07.56 | DukeDrake | can I fix that? |
| 13:08.07 | zxxd | jelly-home, but that's only for portmap , program can still access the rpc programs directly without portmap no? |
| 13:08.38 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: only if you make it to the run-level where that happens |
| 13:08.40 | DukeDrake | and the second option ... well ... the system is on a cf which I have mounted in my other PC, hence I can edit whatever I want |
| 13:08.43 | jelly-home | zxxd: how would they know where to find them? |
| 13:08.51 | xingu | wikipedia font of all that is wholly unverifiable claims xfs max journal size is 128MB |
| 13:08.51 | dupondje | to bad it can't handle 12tb :( |
| 13:08.52 | DukeDrake | (cf = compact flash card) |
| 13:08.52 | dupondje | :p |
| 13:08.53 | zxxd | jelly-home, standard ports |
| 13:08.57 | xingu | so we can probably rule that one out too |
| 13:09.08 | CaT[t3] | heh. lenny isn't even released yet and ttf-mathematica4.1 is already broken :/ |
| 13:09.08 | jelly-home | zxxd: iptables! |
| 13:09.08 | zxxd | jelly-home, usually the ports portmap gives are the same |
| 13:09.11 | Jacob_H | Pabix: yes...or just "Pause" to go back to BBC Basic days! |
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| 13:10.47 | xingu | dupondje: if it's not reserved area than the remaining possibility is fs corruption - ENOSPC is sometimes returned if a journalling filesystem is corrupt (ie if the journal can't grow) |
| 13:11.11 | dupondje | how to fix ? :) |
| 13:11.13 | xingu | dupondje: oh, and sometimes it's returned if the application is still using a largefiles-ly-ignorant api |
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| 13:11.31 | jelly-home | zxxd: rpc.mountd doesn't seem to have a device or ip binding option; I guess firewalling is the way to g |
| 13:11.45 | xingu | dupondje: I assume there's some sort of deep-er fsck for even xfs; irix 5.0 was a new thing last time I really used it in anger, so good luck. :) |
| 13:11.58 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: as you've got a partially updated system, I'm not sure how much can be easily fixed. I think I would be inclined to try mounting the CF card, chrooting into it and then running aptitude again |
| 13:12.12 | zxxd | jelly-home, yes |
| 13:12.32 | xingu | dupondje: xfs_check ? |
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| 13:13.44 | zxxd | jelly-home, or hosts.allow ? |
| 13:14.31 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: ok. The other system is neither debian nor can it do much ... |
| 13:14.34 | dupondje | xfs_check always runs out of mem :p |
| 13:14.39 | dupondje | xfs_repair gives me: fatal error -- lost+found inode allocation failed 28 |
| 13:14.40 | dupondje | :( |
| 13:14.52 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: that shouldn't matter as long as it has chroot installed |
| 13:14.59 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: I'll just use the old kernel to boot then. |
| 13:15.00 | dury | CaT[t3]: so it's better to install flash 9 |
| 13:15.19 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: opps…sorry, I thought the older kernel was removed |
| 13:15.23 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: (no chroot, no aptitude .... ) |
| 13:15.35 | Jacob_H | that would be the easy way of resolving it :-) |
| 13:15.40 | xingu | dupondje: ok so looks like you're on the right track there, you've got one hosed filesystem (or perhaps just hosed kernel state) |
| 13:15.43 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: the only option left would be to fix the sshd |
| 13:16.07 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: hang on…if the old kernel still boots, boot into that and complete the upgrade process |
| 13:16.09 | DukeDrake | Jacob_H: I know ... but kind off 'too simple' ;) |
| 13:16.14 | DukeDrake | ok |
| 13:16.21 | DukeDrake | well |
| 13:16.37 | dury | abrotman: better to install flash9? |
| 13:16.41 | dupondje | now I need to get that fixxed :( |
| 13:16.51 | DukeDrake | the old kernel has the same problem (boots until "no more processes left in the runlevel"), but here sshd is still starting =) |
| 13:16.53 | abrotman | dury: i'm still waiting for your sources.list |
| 13:17.34 | xingu | dupondje: doublecheck your underlying volume management for offline/ errored pieces then it's time to go hunting the recovery boot and restore tools probably in that order. |
| 13:17.37 | Jacob_H | DukeDrake: that looks like your way out |
| 13:17.44 | dury | abrotman: in which folder is it? |
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| 13:17.54 | abrotman | /etc/apt/ |
| 13:18.05 | abrotman | knows he told dury to use dmm at least twice yesterday |
| 13:18.13 | dupondje | its running on a RAID5 |
| 13:18.20 | dupondje | and thats perfect :) |
| 13:18.23 | dupondje | no errors on it |
| 13:18.31 | dupondje | and its Areca controller ... so no crap :D |
| 13:18.38 | dury | abrotman: right... hang on |
| 13:18.46 | slim_ | hello all, how to reinstall package with new config files ? |
| 13:18.55 | xingu | dupondje: nb, you need to rule out the usual insanity in terms of thermal trip/ overspec bus/ failed memory etc; it's totally possible for a filesystem like xfs to react poorly to what's merely broken hardware |
| 13:19.47 | xingu | dupondje: for instance xfs-on-linux was infamous at one point for stressing the (memory) allocator |
| 13:20.13 | xingu | dupondje: almost as reliable at flushing out hw problems as memtestx86 :) |
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| 13:21.26 | dupondje | btw, is lenny any good ? |
| 13:21.29 | dupondje | safe to upgrade ? |
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| 13:21.46 | abrotman | depends what you're using it for |
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| 13:22.09 | dupondje | fileserver |
| 13:22.11 | dupondje | :p |
| 13:22.19 | dury | abrotman: give me again the url to paste it... if you don't mind |
| 13:22.36 | abrotman | !tell dury about paste |
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| 13:23.59 | xst | I have problems doing a "apt-get update" on a sarge installation: Err http://non-us.debian.org sarge/non-US/main Release |
| 13:23.59 | xst | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.17 | xst | Also other mirrors are apparently down |
| 13:24.39 | dury | abrotman: there you are -> http://paste.debian.net/21569/ |
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| 13:25.09 | abrotman | !tell dury about bpo |
| 13:25.19 | abrotman | dury: they have flash there .. they have instructions for how to use it on the site |
| 13:25.21 | xst | Also http://mirrors.sunsite.dk sarge/non-free Packages is doen |
| 13:25.23 | xst | down |
| 13:25.35 | xst | What is going on? |
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| 13:26.54 | abrotman | !tell xst about archives |
| 13:26.59 | liable | dude, non-us has been deprecated for a couple of years |
| 13:27.06 | abrotman | !tell xst about sarge->etch |
| 13:27.09 | liable | is sarge archived yet? |
| 13:27.14 | abrotman | liable: but the non-us still worked for sarge |
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| 13:27.31 | abrotman | liable: yes, sarge has been archived |
| 13:27.42 | acemi | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US |
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| 13:27.47 | acemi | works |
| 13:27.52 | abrotman | and is empty |
| 13:27.58 | xst | Damn |
| 13:28.02 | liable | has been since sarge |
| 13:28.09 | abrotman | in other words .. stop using sarge |
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| 13:28.39 | xst | I am a bit afraid upgrading to etch - don't know if the upgrade will break the install (and give me down-time on the server) |
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| 13:28.53 | liable | xst: how long has it been since you tried to update that box? a year? |
| 13:29.04 | abrotman | xst: i did quite a few upgrades to etch from sarge .. |
| 13:29.06 | xst | Half a year maybe |
| 13:29.10 | abrotman | xst: is this an external server? |
| 13:29.24 | xst | Yes, it is external |
| 13:29.37 | liable | with exploitable kernel and god knows what else |
| 13:29.44 | abrotman | so you're worried about downtime on an external server that hasn't had security support in over six months ? |
| 13:30.00 | xst | yes |
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| 13:30.20 | xst | It has been running smoothly for years |
| 13:30.35 | hoxu | downtime worries -> must have users -> vulnerable -> already rooted, it can't get worse ;) |
| 13:30.46 | jelly-home | zxxd: hosts.allow won't prevent it from listening on * (even if it just disconnects the clients that are not allowed) |
| 13:30.59 | liable | xst: best you look into having some time to upgrade it. really |
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| 13:31.44 | abrotman | xst: is there anything special about the system? |
| 13:32.02 | xst | Also - I am running software raid on a modified kernel (which was required for support of a "Promise" SATA controller). It is quite crucial that this will still work after the upgrade |
| 13:32.33 | xst | Besides that, there is nothing special about it |
| 13:33.04 | jelly-home | xst: schedule downtime. |
| 13:33.37 | xingu | jelly-home: known unknown; you can schedule the start of downtime but unless you can model the whole problem you can only take a wild stab at the duration |
| 13:33.52 | abrotman | or schedule a migration to a new server that doesn't use goofy controllers :) |
| 13:34.05 | jelly-home | xingu: s/wild stab/educated guess/ :-) |
| 13:34.18 | xst | How can I see if the controller is supported in the etch kernel? |
| 13:34.25 | liable | or better yet, just ignore it for another year... |
| 13:34.32 | xingu | fools jelly-home with randomness |
| 13:34.38 | abrotman | xst: what's the PCI ID ? |
| 13:34.45 | xst | one moment |
| 13:34.47 | hoxu | xst, your options are either scheduling downtime, with the risk you'll screw up and it'll take longer than expected, or phase the server out by moving services and users to another server :p |
| 13:34.50 | jogla | where do i have to look for the sources of cups? |
| 13:35.01 | hoxu | xst, or just not upgrading ;) |
| 13:35.07 | abrotman | jogla: apt-get source cups ? |
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| 13:35.21 | jogla | ahh |
| 13:35.22 | jogla | cool |
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| 13:35.45 | xingu | mutters something about n+1 redundancy planning and unit-test based realtime monitoring frameworks |
| 13:36.01 | Suprano | i am having trouble getting mod_xinerama to work with ion3, at startup it says the following: http://pastebin.com/mfa78bf8 |
| 13:36.01 | xst | The PCI info is: Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc.: Unknown device 3d18 (rev 02) |
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| 13:36.45 | abrotman | xst: lspci -nn .. and then update-pciids |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | or the other way around if you prefer |
| 13:37.49 | jogla | abrotman: and where do i find these sources now? |
| 13:37.52 | xst | lspci -nn says 0000:00:0b.0 0180: 105a:3d18 (rev 02) |
| 13:37.53 | xingu | xst: just a stray thought, have you considered bootstrapping a copy of the server's runtime (so dump from a filesystem snapshot and restore) into a virtual machine? |
| 13:37.58 | abrotman | jogla: $PWD |
| 13:38.06 | xingu | xst: this could take a great deal of the pain out of the whole problem for you |
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| 13:38.42 | abrotman | xst: sata_promise 0x0000105a 0x00003d18 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 ... from an etch box |
| 13:38.47 | xst | Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20518/PDC40518 (SATAII 150 TX4) (rev 02) |
| 13:38.53 | xingu | xst: 1/ you could prove the vm worked without hitting the production system; 2/ you could prove the upgrade process worked likewise; 3/ it's reproducable ie it addresses the problem. |
| 13:38.55 | tdi | hi, did anybody have problem with debian installer and two hardware raids raid1+raid5 3ware controller ? |
| 13:39.00 | dupondje | xingu: because it was full, it couldn't create lost+found :p but I made some space, and then xfs_repair went fine |
| 13:39.00 | dupondje | :d |
| 13:39.06 | tdi | installer does not see discs at all |
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| 13:39.20 | xingu | dupondje: neat; this is another reason the reserved area exists, fyi. |
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| 13:39.32 | xingu | dupondje: ... it gives fsck somewhere to put things. |
| 13:39.35 | liable | tdi: are you using the lenny rc1 installer or etch installer? |
| 13:39.40 | tdi | etch |
| 13:39.51 | xst | abrotman: Hmm, is this the same controller? |
| 13:39.55 | hoxu | xingu, I guess LVM readwrite snapshot would work too with chroot, to test upgrading? :) |
| 13:40.04 | xingu | hoxu: exactly so. |
| 13:40.09 | tdi | liable: it is solved in lenny? |
| 13:40.10 | jogla | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:40.12 | liable | tdi: does the etch kernel support your 3ware card? |
| 13:40.18 | xst | Aren't there a list of supported controllers somewhere? |
| 13:40.25 | tdi | liable: yes, i have plenty of machines with 3ware |
| 13:40.37 | liable | tdi: dunno, i know there have been a few new 3ware cards recently, if its a newish one, possibly |
| 13:40.39 | tdi | but all raid5 , this is first with two raids |
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| 13:40.51 | tdi | liable: ill try raid6 |
| 13:41.11 | dupondje | doesn't matter :) |
| 13:41.26 | abrotman | xst: i just showed you that the etch kernel says sata_promise will make your doohickey work |
| 13:41.58 | xst | ok, so I should not worry for not being able to see the disks? |
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| 13:43.29 | abrotman | xst: you're using swraid ? |
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| 13:43.48 | xst | es |
| 13:43.49 | xst | yes |
| 13:44.26 | abrotman | so supposedly, the etch kernel should be able to see the disks on the controller .. not sure if your swraid setup is custom |
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| 13:48.02 | PucKid | hi everyone |
| 13:48.22 | dupondje | xingu: seems like it has no more space to make new files |
| 13:48.25 | dupondje | not the size |
| 13:48.33 | dupondje | but the filenames itself |
| 13:48.38 | dupondje | so the inodes are full right ? |
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| 13:49.50 | xingu | dupondje: that sounds quite odd, it sounds more like it's run out of extents |
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| 13:50.12 | dupondje | I can make 1 10gb file |
| 13:50.16 | xingu | dupondje: or possibly that you've exceeded the max nr of inodes in a directory |
| 13:50.17 | dupondje | but not 100 1mb files |
| 13:50.18 | dupondje | so :x |
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| 13:50.56 | xingu | dupondje: df -i is telling you that you've plenty of inodes free, so it has to be something like what I've just outlined |
| 13:51.19 | xingu | dupondje: if you make a new directory can you then build your 100x 1mb files in it? |
| 13:51.26 | PucKid | i wonder what would this mean : "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" |
| 13:51.44 | dupondje | no xingu |
| 13:52.02 | dupondje | if I delete 1 0byte file |
| 13:52.06 | dupondje | I can make a new file |
| 13:52.07 | dupondje | 10gb |
| 13:52.09 | liable | PucKid: that you need a source line for your sources.list |
| 13:52.10 | dupondje | no problem |
| 13:52.15 | dupondje | but no second file |
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| 13:52.17 | hoxu | !tell PucKid about deb-src |
| 13:52.18 | xingu | dupondje: comes back to a mangled filesystem then - corrupt journal? |
| 13:52.28 | dupondje | xfs_repair went perfect |
| 13:52.46 | xingu | did you do that online or did you unmount/repair/remount? |
| 13:52.55 | abrotman | PucKid: man sources.list |
| 13:52.58 | dupondje | ofc unmount repair remount |
| 13:53.01 | dupondje | u can't do it online |
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| 13:53.01 | dupondje | :) |
| 13:53.08 | dupondje | at least not with -force or something :D |
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| 13:53.14 | xingu | in that case I'd have to suspect that your kernel's running state is bung |
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| 13:53.28 | xingu | suggest you schedule a little reboot love. |
| 13:53.28 | dupondje | its the etch stable kernel :P |
| 13:53.31 | PucKid | liable: thank you |
| 13:53.35 | dupondje | rebooted 10 mins ago |
| 13:53.37 | dupondje | nop (k) |
| 13:53.47 | xingu | fair enough |
| 13:54.47 | ilaiho | is lenny currently at a stage that bug fixes which upgrade a package to a new version are not accepted? |
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| 13:55.10 | hoxu | !frozen |
| 13:55.10 | dpkg | methinks frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
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| 13:55.17 | xingu | dupondje: maybe have a look into xfs_fsr? |
| 13:55.30 | ilaiho | hoxu: yes or no? |
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| 13:55.56 | dupondje | xingu: its not in debian repo's ? |
| 13:56.08 | xingu | dupondje: part of xfsdump |
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| 13:56.26 | abrotman | ilaiho: if it's a bug and it's not filed, file it |
| 13:56.28 | hoxu | ilaiho, my guess would be that if there's a serious issue that is fixed in the next version and the fix is not easy to patch on top of the earlier, yes, it's probably possible to upgrade (I'm not a DD) |
| 13:56.53 | ilaiho | abrotman: the bug is still filed |
| 13:57.01 | abrotman | ilaiho: can you provide more information? |
| 13:57.05 | abrotman | ilaiho: what is the bug # ? |
| 13:57.07 | xingu | dupondje: I'm assuming, of course, that you haven't enabled quotas |
| 13:57.27 | xingu | dupondje: (max inodes per user can be quota'd even for root with a hard limit) |
| 13:57.54 | ilaiho | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493692 |
| 13:58.38 | abrotman | ilaiho: are you Falk ? |
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| 13:59.48 | ilaiho | abrotman: Who is Falk? |
| 13:59.52 | abrotman | ilaiho: nevermind |
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| 14:00.03 | abrotman | judd!JKW#:LKJD |
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| 14:00.57 | ilaiho | abrotman: do you mean Falk Hackenberger who posted a comment on a bug report? |
| 14:01.00 | ilaiho | No, I am not. |
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| 14:01.29 | abrotman | ilaiho: does it happen for every circuit component you try to add ? |
| 14:01.48 | ilaiho | abrotman: wait a second, I test |
| 14:03.58 | ilaiho | abrotman: it does not happen on switches and the ground |
| 14:04.11 | abrotman | so only the useful parts ? |
| 14:04.20 | ilaiho | abrotman: yes |
| 14:04.31 | ilaiho | most parts cause the crash |
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| 14:05.49 | kaos_nk2 | Hello, is there a way to tell apt-get not to update a certain package? |
| 14:05.57 | asg | kaos_nk2: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:06.05 | kaos_nk2 | thanks |
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| 14:09.10 | zxxd | what is sunrpc module used for ? |
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| 14:10.13 | neoice | I know it has some usage in NFS |
| 14:10.13 | ilaiho | How the subscribing to a bug works? |
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| 14:10.28 | ilaiho | What message I should send? |
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| 14:10.58 | abrotman | ilaiho: message about what? |
| 14:11.29 | ilaiho | abrotman: What does subscribing to a bug actually mean? |
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| 14:11.55 | abrotman | ilaiho: you get emailed about new information on the bug |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | ilaiho: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe |
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| 14:13.03 | ilaiho | abrotman: Thank you! |
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| 14:15.09 | dupondje | xingu: running xfs_fsr now, thx for the help |
| 14:15.15 | dupondje | i'll come back if its still not fixxed :) |
| 14:15.23 | vapula | hello. I'm trying to install a Debian from a netinst stable on my new Dell E6500, and the install does not manage to detect the DVDROM drive. Do you know what I should do to install it ? |
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| 14:17.56 | abrotman | vapula: which netinst ? |
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| 14:18.21 | vapula | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:18.32 | abrotman | try the etchnhalf netinst |
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| 14:18.40 | abrotman | should be in the same directory |
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| 14:19.05 | vapula | right |
| 14:19.08 | vapula | i'll try that |
| 14:19.18 | vapula | thx |
| 14:19.25 | vapula | too bad i already wasted a cd for that then |
| 14:19.45 | abrotman | use a cdrw! |
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| 14:19.55 | vapula | true :) |
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| 14:21.46 | eightyeight | why doesn't this channel redirect to ##debian? isn't the official channel on oftc? |
| 14:22.01 | abrotman | there isn't one |
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| 14:22.26 | eightyeight | isn't one what? official channel or ##debian? |
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| 14:22.33 | abrotman | official |
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| 14:22.47 | eightyeight | hmm. i thought that was announced |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | but i'd really rather not discuss this for the 206th time |
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| 14:23.41 | eightyeight | you mean there's not a !dpkg command for it yet? :) |
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| 14:24.00 | Octalot | !flamewar |
| 14:24.00 | dpkg | well, flamewar is that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | no, we started feeding all the useless factoids into ubotu |
| 14:24.19 | eightyeight | cute |
| 14:24.38 | Octalot | *chuckles* |
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| 14:24.54 | vapula | dpkg: no flamewar, it's clear vi an dpython are better, right ? :p |
| 14:24.54 | dpkg | vapula: I think you lost me on that one |
| 14:25.03 | abrotman | vapula: dont' do that |
| 14:25.21 | vapula | didn't realize it was a bot ... |
| 14:25.45 | vapula | besides, pico and php are also better ... |
| 14:25.46 | a_l_e | hi, i'm trying to setup qingy on my eee pc (1000h) and i get a directfb error... does abybody have an idea how i could sort it out? |
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| 14:26.21 | EduardeCalibal | Wrong x config? |
| 14:26.25 | Octalot | it's one of those Bots That Anyone Can Edit (TM), you were a bit close to the editing syntax |
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| 14:30.59 | zarac | what can i instead of mount/ln to link a directory? |
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| 14:33.27 | Lizer | hi |
| 14:33.30 | Lizer | need some help |
| 14:33.35 | Lizer | anyone good with irc cmds? |
| 14:33.52 | renton_ | is there any difference between the "boot from CD" of ubuntu .iso and debian (lenny) .iso ??? My pc (dated 2001) just boot ubuntu installation cd.. and not debian ones :( |
| 14:34.13 | Octalot | zarac: what's your aim in linking to a directory? Generally I'd use a symlink ( ln's -s option ), but it depends on what you need. |
| 14:34.21 | eightyeight | Lizer: what do you need to know? |
| 14:34.42 | Lizer | well i tried /who 0 o on 3 networks |
| 14:34.45 | Lizer | efnet undernet etc |
| 14:34.46 | Lizer | i got a big list |
| 14:34.48 | Lizer | i dont get it here |
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| 14:34.54 | Lizer | i wana know whats this 0 and o ? |
| 14:34.57 | abrotman | Lizer: ask #freenode |
| 14:35.00 | zarac | oh, i didn't think i could symlink a directory... what i want to do is to link /home/zarac/music to /mnt/hdd/shared/music |
| 14:35.12 | zarac | and /home/blah/music to the same as well... |
| 14:35.29 | renton_ | zarac: ln - |
| 14:35.37 | renton_ | zarac: ln -s |
| 14:35.39 | zarac | : ) |
| 14:36.02 | Octalot | renton_: they include some different drivers to work with different hardware (generally Ubuntu has drivers that Debian doesn't) |
| 14:36.07 | zarac | oh, snap |
| 14:36.13 | zarac | thanks |
| 14:36.58 | renton_ | Octalot: isn't the boot from cdrom a standard procedure? i mean.. i think that drivers are used when kernel is up.. but my debian .iso doesn't boot at all :( |
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| 14:37.49 | Octalot | renton_: what's the last thing that displays before it fails? |
| 14:38.22 | renton_ | octalot: it doesn't display nothing.. my bios boots my PC from hard disk.. |
| 14:38.36 | renton_ | Octalot: burning a ubuntu .iso, it boots. |
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| 14:38.51 | renton_ | Octalot: debian .iso doesn't boot.. :( |
| 14:39.27 | renton_ | i burn them with $ cdrecord -sao my.iso |
| 14:39.42 | Octalot | Which of the debian .iso's? Sounds like a bug to me, but then most things sound like bugs to me. |
| 14:40.12 | renton_ | lenny beta2 (by the way.. on my laptop, it boots.. on my desktop pc, doesn't) |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | use lenny rc1 |
| 14:40.53 | renton_ | and it's the netinstall the iso, i'm using. |
| 14:41.48 | renton_ | ok, i'll try rc1 |
| 14:42.28 | zarac | is it possible to make the link so it is displayed normally, similar to what you get when you mount something.. ? |
| 14:42.38 | zarac | so you can't see that it is a link.. |
| 14:43.07 | renton_ | zarac: I don't remember how, anyway you can do a "mount" to mount a directory in more places |
| 14:43.26 | zarac | oh.. hmm |
| 14:43.38 | zarac | can i give them different permissions as well? |
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| 14:43.51 | renton_ | i don't know about permission |
| 14:43.53 | zarac | does it have to be a drive i mou nt though? |
| 14:43.54 | zarac | ok : ) |
| 14:43.57 | hoxu | zarac, bind mounting. man mount --bind |
| 14:44.05 | zarac | ah, thanks |
| 14:44.25 | hoxu | zarac, and no, you can't change permissions. It's exactly the same mount, just at two points |
| 14:44.37 | zarac | ok, thx |
| 14:44.38 | renton_ | yes, exactly "bind" what i was thinking about. |
| 14:44.42 | zarac | : ) |
| 14:44.44 | renton_ | i did it long time ago |
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| 14:46.32 | zarac | =D |
| 14:46.41 | Octalot | you could create a "musicians" group for the users to share permissions |
| 14:47.00 | vapula | abrotman: works with etchnhalf, thanks ! |
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| 14:48.50 | renton_ | so in few weeks lenny will be elected to stable? |
| 14:49.08 | asg | renton_: it will take much longer due to recounts |
| 14:49.14 | renton_ | ok.. |
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| 14:49.37 | renton_ | and after lenny become stable, for how long etch will recevie security updates? i have some servers running etch |
| 14:49.50 | avu | one year |
| 14:49.54 | renton_ | oh :( |
| 14:49.55 | avu | (after the release of lenny) |
| 14:49.59 | renton_ | i hoped more |
| 14:50.12 | renton_ | i will have to upgrade :) |
| 14:50.37 | SQlvpapir | oh noes, new features! |
| 14:50.48 | themill | renton_: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 14:51.07 | zarac | thanks guys, that's exactly what i wanted : ) |
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| 14:52.10 | renton_ | ok thanks |
| 14:52.22 | neoice | is there a way to use the built-in 'mail' to send a message in a single command? |
| 14:52.37 | asg | neoice: echo foo | mail -s 'Subject' person@domain |
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| 14:53.07 | asg | neoice: if you need attachments, you may wish to install mutt which can do that using '-a' |
| 14:53.18 | renton_ | and if you want to use attachment, use uuencode |
| 14:53.32 | renton_ | uuencode file.jpg file.jpg | mail user@domain |
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| 14:53.50 | hellues | hey |
| 14:54.06 | hellues | i need drscheme debian package version 3.7.2 |
| 14:54.26 | neoice | asg: nah, I just wanted to add a line to a shell script to email me when it runs |
| 14:54.27 | hellues | but in etch there are ver 3.5.2 iin lenny there are version 4.0.1 |
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| 14:54.42 | hellues | i need drscheme version 3.7.2 |
| 14:54.47 | renton_ | neoice, so use the first solution |
| 14:55.01 | renton_ | echo 'hello' | mail -s 'subject' user@domain |
| 14:55.21 | renton_ | i burned lenny rc1 iso.. |
| 14:55.29 | renton_ | now i reboot, i hope it boots from cd... |
| 14:55.36 | renton_ | see you guys. |
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| 14:58.32 | jelly-home | hellues: why? |
| 14:58.47 | tdi | liable: for the record, thanks, lenny installer did the job |
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| 14:59.10 | hellues | jelly-home, |
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| 14:59.33 | hellues | because i need to use concurrency stuff of drscheme suchn as parallel structure |
| 14:59.42 | hellues | that works in drscheme 3.7.2 |
| 14:59.50 | liable | tdi: ah, good |
| 14:59.58 | hellues | thas why i need drscheme 3.7.2 |
| 14:59.59 | jelly-home | hellues: and plt-scheme 4 doesn't have it any more? |
| 15:00.07 | hellues | yes |
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| 15:00.16 | hellues | actually |
| 15:00.36 | hellues | for concurrency someone wrotes a program sicp-concurrency.ss |
| 15:00.38 | jelly-home | !seen judd |
| 15:00.38 | dpkg | judd <~stew@cpe-74-73-65-144.nyc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23h 2m 56s ago, saying: 'stew: pidgin: 2.4.3-4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.4.3-4 (lenny) 2.4.3-4 (sid) 2.5.2-1 (experimental)'. |
| 15:00.45 | hellues | that works in drscheme 3.7.2 |
| 15:01.25 | themill | jelly-home: stew was trying to move judd to a new home yesterday, I think. |
| 15:01.44 | jelly-home | themill: it didn't arrive safely, it seems |
| 15:02.22 | hellues | any help ? |
| 15:02.35 | hellues | this is not in etch,lenny |
| 15:02.40 | jelly-home | hellues: have you tried the newer one? |
| 15:02.52 | themill | jelly-home: judd is currently taking a few hours to do a daily resync of the db so that's something we're trying to solve too. |
| 15:02.59 | hellues | yeah i try to everu version of drscheme |
| 15:03.05 | scgtrp | i'm getting like 10 of these a day, how do i stop them? http://pastebin.ca/1257695 |
| 15:03.10 | jelly-home | hellues: I meant, the plt-scheme replacement |
| 15:03.11 | hellues | that is useless and i cant find drscheme ver 3.7.2 |
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| 15:03.36 | abrotman | scgtrp: check /etc/hosts |
| 15:03.39 | jelly-home | hellues: as you can see, in lenny drscheme is just a dummy package that depends on plt-scheme |
| 15:03.41 | hellues | newer plt implement how can i get that |
| 15:04.01 | scgtrp | abrotman, what am i looking for here? |
| 15:04.03 | jelly-home | hellues: available in testing |
| 15:04.16 | abrotman | scgtrp: set it up correctly with names and IPs |
| 15:04.21 | hellues | testing |
| 15:04.32 | hellues | lenny is testing right ? |
| 15:04.36 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 15:04.44 | scgtrp | i have "127.0.0.1 farfalle localhost lh" -- do i need the fqdn's in there too? |
| 15:04.55 | scgtrp | (that and a bunch of ipv6 addresses) |
| 15:05.02 | hellues | concurrency stuff doesnt work in lenny |
| 15:05.20 | DomCyrus | how can I measure how fast I can copy stuff in a shell i.e. using cp??? |
| 15:05.35 | hellues | i need 3.7.2 |
| 15:05.41 | eightyeight | DomCyrus: scp will do the trick |
| 15:05.43 | jelly-home | hellues: http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:05.47 | hellues | in lenny there are 4.0.1 |
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| 15:06.11 | DomCyrus | eightyeight: thanks |
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| 15:16.28 | Yamakiri|Away | How do I run a php script in the terminal? I just switched to Debian from Ubuntu and was taught to use the php or php5 commands, but Debian gives "command not found". Apt-get worked when I installed php5, and there's no manual entry for php. |
| 15:17.00 | avu | the package is php5-cli |
| 15:17.48 | Yamakiri|Away | ooooohhhhh |
| 15:17.56 | Yamakiri|Away | thanks a million avu :) |
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| 15:24.48 | sander__ | What is the command to check the link speed of my networking card? |
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| 15:25.01 | sander__ | something which ends on tool.. |
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| 15:25.48 | eightyeight | ethtool or mii-tool |
| 15:26.37 | sander__ | thanks |
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| 15:28.03 | Xedge | hi are there somewhere working images of the latest testing avaiable? maybe via bittorrent? i can't get the images from debian.org via http/ftp and the torrents are not working, too |
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| 15:28.53 | eightyeight | Xedge: if the torrents aren't working, then why are you asking about getting something via bittorrent? |
| 15:28.55 | scgtrp | Xedge, netinstall? |
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| 15:29.55 | Xedge | eightyeight: maybe you know an other place where i could get it via bittorrent |
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| 15:31.12 | Xedge | scgtrp: there no netinstall cds for testing http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:31.51 | scgtrp | Xedge, ...i know they exist, i just used one the other day |
| 15:32.20 | scgtrp | Xedge, ohh, you mean the latest version of the installer? |
| 15:33.13 | scgtrp | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:33.23 | scgtrp | Xedge, ^^ |
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| 15:34.12 | Xedge | scgtrp: thanks :) |
| 15:34.24 | tuxcraft1r | whould somebody be willing to help me out with dh_make and how to debianiz a single shell-script.sh ? |
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| 15:35.37 | abrotman | Xedge: most people use the 170MB netinst |
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| 15:36.57 | sylarrr | is it possible to make iceweasel identify as firefox? |
| 15:37.02 | stoned | yes |
| 15:37.08 | abrotman | change the user agent string |
| 15:37.11 | stoned | sylarrr, go to about:config |
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| 15:37.19 | stoned | search for *agent* or *user*agent* |
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| 15:37.24 | abrotman | !iceweasel user-agent |
| 15:37.24 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel user-agent is not the same as Firefox. If you encounter a site or plugin that works with Firefox or MSIE but not Iceweasel, first smack the authors, then go to about:config and change general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/<version>; or use an extension (such as "User-Agent Switcher") to change your user-agent. Remember to switch it back afterwards though, or no-one will bother to fix their broken websites! |
| 15:37.30 | asg | sylarrr: you can also install one of many extensions to provide additional functionality |
| 15:37.32 | segosa | does anyone have any idea what might be causing this: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8048/hibernate2ng1.jpg -- it occurs when i hibernate and then unhibernate (also when I ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrlalt+f7). I need to restart X to fix it |
| 15:37.35 | stoned | ah cool factoid |
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| 15:38.17 | segosa | or does anyone have any idea what is actually happening so that i can google for solutions |
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| 15:38.38 | ReedWood | Hi, I want to install the latex kpfonts package and it is said that this font is included into texlive, but I can not find the correspronding debian package: any hint? |
| 15:38.57 | Xedge | abrotman: i also like the netinstall cds but debian.org did not link to the netinstall cd ... |
| 15:39.08 | asg | segosa: try using vbetool to save and restore the video bios state before and after hibernation |
| 15:39.08 | abrotman | it doesn't link to testing ISOs either |
| 15:39.23 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:39.40 | segosa | asg: okay, i'll try |
| 15:40.24 | spx2 | hey |
| 15:40.33 | spx2 | how do I get glibc 2.4 ? |
| 15:40.35 | spx2 | for debian |
| 15:41.18 | jelly-home | spx2: you don't |
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| 15:41.36 | Eulex | spx2, for etch? you do not. attempting to install it into an etch system will yield infinite pain. |
| 15:41.47 | stoned | ahhhhh |
| 15:41.57 | stoned | yes |
| 15:42.01 | stoned | what Eulex said |
| 15:42.18 | zxxd | what's spx2 |
| 15:42.19 | jelly-home | spx2: there is no glibc 2.4 in debian; no packages require it. the next release will have 2.7 |
| 15:42.31 | Eulex | spx2, instead, you recompile the program in question. |
| 15:42.36 | spx2 | o my god ... I have to get rid of this debian shit |
| 15:42.37 | stoned | zxxd, its apparantly a nickname of a some guy who wants to get glibc2.4 |
| 15:42.50 | stoned | spx2, try gentoo |
| 15:42.52 | spx2 | aptitude install slackware |
| 15:42.57 | Eulex | spx2, what are you attempting to run, that needs glibc 2.4 or newer? |
| 15:42.59 | stoned | spx2, bye bye |
| 15:43.08 | spx2 | Eulex: http://code.google.com/p/themessenger/ |
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| 15:43.45 | Eulex | spx2, get the source and compile it. |
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| 15:44.21 | stoned | today is sunday eh |
| 15:44.24 | stoned | or monday |
| 15:44.24 | Eulex | instead of trying to run their binary |
| 15:44.26 | spx2 | Eulex: you do that,meanwhile I'll watch some movies |
| 15:44.41 | Eulex | stoned, sunday |
| 15:44.54 | Eulex | spx2, won't take long to compile just one program. |
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| 15:45.13 | jelly-home | !sing permasunday |
| 15:45.13 | dpkg | sings "permasunday" until all the glass within 1 mile bursts. |
| 15:45.19 | jelly-home | dpkg: hey |
| 15:45.19 | dpkg | hey, jelly-home |
| 15:45.22 | Eulex | !permasunday |
| 15:45.22 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 15:46.15 | segosa | asg: I'm not sure it likes it when I restore it (everything goes black) |
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| 15:46.23 | sylarrr | OK changing useragent work, now... how to change it system wide? |
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| 15:46.58 | spx2 | Eulex: what I was actually trying to find out,is if someone already did the boring task of making a .deb package for qt 4.4.3 ? |
| 15:47.00 | zxxd | sylarrr, what you talking about |
| 15:47.26 | jelly-home | dpkg: you are broken |
| 15:47.26 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 15:47.34 | stoned | haha resemble |
| 15:47.40 | sylarrr | zxxd, making iceweasel identify as firefox for all users |
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| 15:48.03 | Eulex | spx2, lenny (next stable) and sid has qt 4.4.3. |
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| 15:48.24 | stoned | sylarrr, I'm not sure if there is a way to do that... |
| 15:48.41 | Eulex | spx2, etch does not, and will not have it. |
| 15:48.47 | spx2 | Eulex: so I should add what in my sources.list in order to get those ? or I need to reinstall all my system for that ? |
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| 15:49.24 | scgtrp | http://pastebin.ca/1257726 << i'm getting one of those on every outgoing email. what would cause it to not be able to find gmail.com? |
| 15:49.33 | Eulex | spx2, you can _upgrade_ to lenny, if you wish to. you do not, however, mix packages from etch and lenny, unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 15:49.43 | abrotman | and libc isn't one you "mix" |
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| 15:49.53 | spx2 | Eulex: I don't |
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| 15:50.01 | sylarrr | not even an about:config file anywhere that I can toss around? |
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| 15:51.41 | VolVE | Hey all, I have a curious question about timestamps... I wrote a bash script that uses the call DATE=`date +%Y%m%d%M%S` to create some directory names. It's run by cron every 6 hours (0 */6 * * *). I'm looking at the last two times it ran, and the filenames seem to be midnight (200811150000 & 200811160000) but the timestamp ls shows is 6:00pm and then 6am - I'm confused, shouldn't the timestamp match what the date command returned? And s |
| 15:52.15 | asg | segosa: you may need to run the vbetool post command before restoring state. Also, the dpms on option may need to be used as well. |
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| 15:52.37 | segosa | i have dpms on already |
| 15:52.43 | segosa | tries post |
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| 15:53.47 | segosa | ugh, post kills it too |
| 15:54.45 | segosa | the man page says that on laptops it might result in undefined behaviour |
| 15:54.50 | segosa | i'm using a laptop so that could explain something |
| 15:55.42 | asg | segosa: it doesn't work with all but I've had good luck on dells |
| 15:55.48 | segosa | acer |
| 15:55.51 | segosa | ati card |
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| 15:55.55 | segosa | = bad news |
| 15:55.58 | otwieracz | Hello |
| 15:56.06 | sylarrr | where should /etc/gnome/epiphany/default-prefs.js be on debian? |
| 15:56.12 | otwieracz | Does remastersys script for ubuntu will work on debian? |
| 15:56.38 | maligor | sylarrr, where you said? |
| 15:57.10 | maligor | sylarrr, atleast I have a default-prefs.js just there, 2.22 gnome tho |
| 15:57.36 | sylarrr | maligor, yes, but found something in usr/share, though #epiphany say changes will be lost on upgrade?! |
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| 15:58.27 | abrotman | otwieracz: try it .. let us know |
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| 15:58.58 | maligor | sylarrr, I guess that depends on the epiphany package |
| 15:59.09 | otwieracz | abrotman: :< |
| 15:59.38 | maligor | sylarrr, /usr/share/epiphany-browser/default-prefs.js yes, but here it's a symlink to /etc/gnome/epiphany |
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| 16:00.19 | DukeDrake | just a short question: what package is 'whiptail'? |
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| 16:00.41 | valdyn | DukeDrake: read the package description? |
| 16:01.12 | DukeDrake | my system is busy atm >.< |
| 16:01.34 | sylarrr | maligor, here it is not a symlink but a regular file |
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| 16:02.08 | abrotman | so when it's unbusy .. look <$! |
| 16:02.26 | DukeDrake | :P |
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| 16:02.33 | abrotman | :# |
| 16:02.44 | zxxd | hey |
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| 16:06.50 | tuxcraft1r | does sombody knows a virtual .desktop menu creator that shows the menu as directories and exectuable files in a file mananager |
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| 16:07.02 | ^rudd | how do I force a keepalive of a http connection? |
| 16:07.43 | themill | tuxcraft1r: kmenuedit does pretty much that |
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| 16:08.24 | tuxcraft1r | themill: how can a grapical kde application do that? |
| 16:09.10 | themill | huh? why would it not be able to? |
| 16:09.14 | tuxcraft1r | themill: i would like to be able to use my terminal to brose the menu |
| 16:09.43 | XTZGZoReX | What's a command to see my LAN IP? |
| 16:09.45 | tuxcraft1r | cd menu/internet |
| 16:09.48 | themill | tuxcraft1r: you could try stating that in your question. Also browser != creator |
| 16:10.12 | Eulex | ^rudd, a http request can request a connection to be keep-alive, but iirc the server does not need to obey it. |
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| 16:10.51 | tuxcraft1r | themill: sorry for being unclear i thought its a virtual menu and its needs to be created before i can browse the menu :-p |
| 16:11.28 | abrotman | !tell XTZGZoReX about grounding |
| 16:11.34 | sylarrr | in epiphany the user agent is general.useragent.extra.epiphany so I can add general.useragent.extra.firefox and keep the general.useragent.extra.epiphany |
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| 16:11.48 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: ? |
| 16:11.57 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:12.09 | sylarrr | However in iceweasel there is no general.useragent.extra.iceweasel |
| 16:12.10 | ^rudd | Eulex, I have a program which takes continuous data through http get, sometimes it disconnects and it is not able to connect, how can I force it to be connected? |
| 16:12.18 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: How does that relate to knowing my LAN IP? |
| 16:12.27 | ^rudd | *it is not able to reconnect |
| 16:12.34 | abrotman | it relates to you asking lots of questions that are easily answered with basic docs |
| 16:12.46 | sylarrr | and it writes its iceweasel/version into general.useragent.extra.firefox |
| 16:12.55 | tuxcraft1r | XTZGZoReX: you can use ifconfig to see the ip of you network devices |
| 16:12.57 | sylarrr | so I think that's worng |
| 16:13.16 | pobega | Just a quick question, do I really *need* fam installed? It comes by default but just seems so useless. |
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| 16:13.25 | abrotman | no |
| 16:13.25 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: Sorry, looked at the wrong dpkg message. |
| 16:13.38 | Eulex | ^rudd, you want to continue downloads that were aborted? Range: is what you want |
| 16:14.11 | zxxd | pobega, you dont need fam , gamin replaces it |
| 16:14.13 | ^rudd | Eulex, it's not downloads, it's an endless data flow |
| 16:14.19 | valdyn | kde needs fam, gnome needs fam or gamin |
| 16:14.27 | themill | pobega: on a desktop machine, fam or gamin are very handy to let your file manager know what files have changed |
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| 16:14.45 | pobega | zxxd: So if I use neither gnome nor kde, and don't use a file manager, do I have any purpose for having fam installed? |
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| 16:15.08 | zxxd | pobega, : no |
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| 16:15.20 | pobega | Thanks, that's what I was wondering |
| 16:15.24 | Eulex | ^rudd, is it important that the 'download' should resume from the point where it stopped? |
| 16:15.38 | ^rudd | Eulex, nope |
| 16:16.04 | themill | pobega: other utilities like inotail can also make use of it |
| 16:16.13 | Eulex | ^rudd, if you get disconnected and can't reconnect, I guess the server just went down. |
| 16:16.14 | ^rudd | Eulex, there are no such point, because there is no file size , the data is infinitive |
| 16:16.45 | ^rudd | Eulex, no, there are a mini-connections drops which cause the program to disconnect |
| 16:17.05 | ^rudd | and it hasn't a reconnect feature which would be useful |
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| 16:17.29 | Eulex | persistent connections won't help you solve that problem |
| 16:17.43 | ^rudd | what will? |
| 16:17.45 | Eulex | you'll have to implement that reconnect feature |
| 16:17.53 | ^rudd | in the program? |
| 16:18.15 | ^rudd | I can't i don't source and I am not a coder either |
| 16:18.26 | ^rudd | there must some other way |
| 16:18.28 | Eulex | just invoke the program again? |
| 16:18.37 | Eulex | I assume it exits when the connection is dropped |
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| 16:18.53 | ^rudd | no, that's bad solution |
| 16:18.59 | ^rudd | I need to keep the connection |
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| 16:19.04 | ^rudd | with the program |
| 16:19.16 | ^rudd | as with server- I don't care |
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| 16:19.37 | soulchild | Hi all,... is there still no support for memory stick duo in mmc reader on laptops ? |
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| 16:19.52 | Eulex | you're asking: "sometimes the connection is dropped, how do I prevent that?" Simple -- you can't. |
| 16:20.33 | sylarrr | I have found this file: /etc/iceweasel/profile/prefs.js, but it says in it not to edit it ?? |
| 16:20.37 | ^rudd | maybe there's some proxy or port mapper which doesn't break the connection with the program but when the server diconnects it just reconnects and continues transferring the traffic? |
| 16:20.58 | burd | so.. I installed a module from source but when I adjusted the make file so it installed in the proper directory, the path was wrong.. how do I uninstall a module compiled from source? thanks |
| 16:21.06 | Selveste1 | !world |
| 16:21.07 | dpkg | world is, like, part of the delusion created around us by the matrix |
| 16:21.11 | sylarrr | " Do not edit this file." |
| 16:21.18 | Eulex | ^rudd, as you can't tell the server from where to resume (from a stream), you can't do that. |
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| 16:21.39 | ^rudd | Eulex, I don't need to resume from some place |
| 16:21.51 | ^rudd | Eulex, just continue transfering as is |
| 16:22.07 | Eulex | ^rudd, will your program be able to handle that 'jump in data', in between the connection being lost and it being reconnected? |
| 16:22.16 | ^rudd | Eulex, yes |
| 16:22.19 | Eulex | or well, will be data be correct? |
| 16:22.19 | Eulex | ok |
| 16:22.39 | ^rudd | it's like a video or audio stream |
| 16:22.43 | Eulex | ^rudd, guess you could do that, but there's still nothing that guarantees that a connection won't drop |
| 16:22.48 | ^rudd | gaps not so important |
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| 16:23.05 | ^rudd | how can I do it? |
| 16:23.11 | ^rudd | well it won't drop locally |
| 16:23.17 | ^rudd | just with server |
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| 16:23.58 | Eulex | ^rudd, those are definitely sensitive to that. you'll get some jump in the stream, and some players might have trouble playing it. |
| 16:24.11 | stoned | when I start wine my system locks up |
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| 16:24.13 | stoned | :/ |
| 16:24.18 | Eulex | ^rudd, you code such a program. |
| 16:24.25 | ^rudd | Eulex, there will be no problem I know for sure, just need solution |
| 16:24.31 | ^rudd | I am not a coder :( |
| 16:24.41 | ^rudd | isn't there such prog already? |
| 16:24.49 | Eulex | I don't believe so |
| 16:25.36 | ^rudd | that's so bad |
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| 16:26.15 | stoned | man vmware just got slow |
| 16:26.22 | ^rudd | maybe there some global tcp keepalive/tcp setting in linux? |
| 16:26.47 | Eulex | ^rudd, if you knew python and sockets programming, such a program could be whipped out in an hour or so |
| 16:27.22 | Eulex | ^rudd, there is no guarantee that a tcp connection will not drop. there's nothing the OS can do about it. applications will have to cope with it by reconnecting. |
| 16:28.04 | ^rudd | well maybe this IS NOT a drop just the timeout too small |
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| 16:28.18 | ^rudd | if there is a setting I would try |
| 16:28.26 | ^rudd | is there any? |
| 16:29.01 | Eulex | I don't know, but if there is one, note that you'll have to modify that timeout at the server's end too. |
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| 16:31.08 | ^rudd | do I need to modify kernel?? |
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| 16:31.11 | hyper_ch | hi there, anyone got a nice howto on how to setup a luks encrypted raid-1 system? this far I have just setup an encryted system and I can backup all the stuff to an external drive - but I just can't work out how the LUKS and raid would work together |
| 16:33.32 | zxxd | there is a debian howto |
| 16:34.18 | hyper_ch | zxxd: I only found howtos for raid-1 or luks... problem as far as I can see is if I setup a raid first and then encrypt it, how to implement it into the initrm |
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| 16:39.14 | hyper_ch | zxxd: but if you have a howto available, please give me the URL... |
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| 16:43.09 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 16:43.54 | bolt | Is there something I can fiddle with to increase the aggressiveness towards lost packets in a flimsy wireless connection? Make it resend them sooner and rather have some packets recieved twice? |
| 16:44.36 | gionn | hyper_ch, you have to check that the raid array is started before luks try to unlock the drive |
| 16:44.40 | Ben_Cs | i remember debian install cd's come with either gnome/kde/xfce. Is there anything new in this area? like debian cd with fluxbox or LXDE install? |
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| 16:45.23 | hyper_ch | gionn: but how to alter the initrd that it even tries to unlock the drive? |
| 16:45.53 | jeward | Hi, I'm having trouble installing lenny on a ThinkPad 600E and was wondering if I could get some assistance? |
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| 16:47.07 | hyper_ch | gionn: I mean by default it would just try to boot from the array and not unlock it... that's the issue I have... |
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| 16:51.29 | gionn | hyper_ch, did you added the encrypted partition to /etc/crypttab ? |
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| 16:52.28 | hyper_ch | gionn: this far I have a fully encrypted system |
| 16:52.40 | hyper_ch | gionn: and am wondering how to setup an encrypted raid1 system |
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| 16:53.40 | hyper_ch | gionn: as far as I understand it then the initrd must have crypto setup, aes and the other cryptomodules in it and it should prompted to try to unlock the mdX device but I don't have the knowledge to setup that up manually |
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| 16:54.28 | gionn | hyper_ch, i was thinking that it should do it automatically |
| 16:54.45 | gionn | update-initramfs shouldn't be too stupid |
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| 16:55.29 | gionn | but never tried personally raid+luks |
| 16:55.34 | hyper_ch | gionn: well, I have a fully encrypted systme here at home also.. when I later added more encrypted drives to it |
| 16:55.49 | hyper_ch | gionn: I get prompted a lot later during boot boot up to unlock them |
| 16:56.01 | hyper_ch | gionn: so the root one is treated differently |
| 16:56.06 | gionn | because it's not the root partition to be encrypted |
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| 16:56.44 | NotADJ | !help |
| 16:56.45 | NotADJ | :P |
| 16:56.51 | NotADJ | No Ubottu |
| 16:56.53 | NotADJ | :D |
| 16:56.54 | hyper_ch | gionn: hence I assume when I encrypt root manually afterwards there is more involved... but I'm no crypto-expert in that matter :) |
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| 16:57.12 | hyper_ch | gionn: I'm just good enough to follow howtos :) |
| 16:57.27 | gionn | understood hyper_ch |
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| 16:57.47 | hyper_ch | gionn: but you migth be right about initramfs being smart :) |
| 16:58.03 | gionn | but if you don't feel confortable without an howto, I think you should try it on some virtual machine :p |
| 16:58.43 | gionn | yes hyper_ch, it should be smarter enought |
| 16:58.55 | gionn | but keep fingers crossed |
| 16:59.05 | hyper_ch | gionn: been looking into doing this in a vm ;) |
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| 16:59.24 | hyper_ch | gionn: just to be sure ;) |
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| 17:02.26 | sanjiro | what command can i use to grab the size of a certain directory? and is there a way to recursively find all directories with 1 or 0 files? |
| 17:02.35 | linkmaster03 | Does aptitude remove anything in $home even if I use purge? |
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| 17:02.43 | sanjiro | by size, i want it to be human readable |
| 17:02.43 | hyper_ch | sanjiro: du /path/to/dir |
| 17:02.51 | hyper_ch | sanjiro: man du |
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| 17:13.25 | melkart | i installed lenny in a VirtualBox and created a file "/etc/modprobe.d/00local" with the entries "alias net-pf-10 off" and "alias ipv6 off". after rebooting web access is fast (except with elinks). but when i do "aptitude update", it takes about 15 secs to resolve the host. and "ping www.google.com" doesn't work |
| 17:13.47 | melkart | can somebody help me to correct this? |
| 17:15.32 | pipeline | You need four things to connect to the internet |
| 17:15.38 | pipeline | 1. A NIC with a working link |
| 17:15.41 | pipeline | 2. An IP address |
| 17:15.42 | pipeline | 3. A gateway |
| 17:15.45 | pipeline | 4. A name server |
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| 17:15.54 | pipeline | You're missing one or more of these items. Your description doesn't really tell us which. |
| 17:16.17 | hoxu | he's not missing connectivity apart from google.com and aptitude being slow in resolving |
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| 17:16.47 | hoxu | !tell melkart about blacklist |
| 17:17.02 | kiggy | !help |
| 17:17.02 | hoxu | melkart, what does ping say? |
| 17:17.42 | linkmaster03 | lol |
| 17:18.05 | melkart | i can access google.com with a web browser. when i do "ping www.google.com" then it says 56(84) bytes of data." and waits .... |
| 17:18.37 | javanero | lol |
| 17:19.01 | kiggy | check your firewall, it seems to icmp connections is blocked |
| 17:19.03 | hoxu | melkart, that's a different problem, check your firewall |
| 17:19.22 | hoxu | melkart, also, check that the ipv6 module is not loaded, not sure if that alias stuff works |
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| 17:20.10 | melkart | i just did "lsmod" and there is no line containing "ipv6"... i guess that means that it is indeed not loaded? |
| 17:20.22 | melkart | how can i check my firewall? |
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| 17:20.54 | hyper_ch | gionn: I think I found out :) |
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| 17:21.11 | sylar | is there a way to install global extensions to iceweasel? |
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| 17:21.24 | kiggy | yes |
| 17:21.38 | sylar | how? |
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| 17:22.11 | themill | !wb |
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| 17:22.14 | kiggy | or may be no, try /usr/lib/mozilla/extensions/ |
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| 17:23.08 | sylar | and copy a local *extensions in there? |
| 17:23.36 | kiggy | yep |
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| 17:24.02 | kiggy | from .mozilla/firefox/profile/extensions/ |
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| 17:26.04 | sylar | copied got one extension showing in addons out of 6 |
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| 17:27.14 | melkart | i dont think i have a firewall, do i? at least i never installed one... and on my host system (kubuntu), aptitude works reasonably fast... |
| 17:27.30 | melkart | ...never *deliberately* installed one.. |
| 17:27.31 | themill | !wb |
| 17:27.31 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 17:30.12 | David1234 | what software used to replicate real-time data between 2 server? |
| 17:30.39 | kiggy | sylar: check rights |
| 17:31.01 | sylar | checked |
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| 17:32.07 | danilocesar | Hi guys! I installed Debian (just debian, no osx) in my MacBook. It's working, but grub spends much time to start (about 20s). Someone knows how to fix it: |
| 17:32.32 | melkart | i am rebooting now, after having done "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)"... the MTA takes a long time to start?... |
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| 17:33.26 | kiggy | you're right, it dosen't worked, but i see all my extensions in iceweasel's addons menu |
| 17:33.47 | melkart | ....still the same as before... |
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| 17:34.44 | kiggy | danilocesar: rebuild kernel |
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| 17:36.25 | danilocesar | kiggy: kernel? Why? I seams to be a bootloader problem, isn't it? |
| 17:36.29 | David1234 | danilocesar change timeout in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 17:36.56 | sylar | kiggy, from a diffrent user of course? |
| 17:36.58 | steven__ | hi |
| 17:37.12 | steven__ | is there any way to kill a process that is in state D ? |
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| 17:39.13 | Eulex | steven__, try killing the parent (unless it's init) |
| 17:39.25 | steven__ | Eulex: won't work :) |
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| 17:39.36 | steven__ | is a wry find run from the updatedb cron |
| 17:39.51 | steven__ | and has been in state D for about hlf hour now |
| 17:39.59 | kiggy | no, i'm failed |
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| 17:40.12 | steven__ | the systetm has a load avg of 8 which i think is inflated and not the 'real' load |
| 17:40.28 | steven__ | and more a symptom of this process |
| 17:40.32 | sylar | Eulex, how do you find the parent? |
| 17:40.40 | danilocesar | David1234: It will not help since grub is not running... What hangs for some seconds is the mac init process that can't easily recognize MBR boot partitions.... |
| 17:40.47 | Eulex | sylar, pstree |
| 17:40.49 | steven__ | sylar: ps fax shows parents |
| 17:41.23 | Eulex | steven__, so init is its parent? |
| 17:41.33 | steven__ | cron was it's parent |
| 17:41.38 | steven__ | which i have killed |
| 17:41.49 | steven__ | but the find process is still running :) |
| 17:42.07 | jelly-home | steven__: did it attempt to traverse a dead nfs share? |
| 17:42.27 | Eulex | steven__, so I guess it got reparented to init? |
| 17:42.31 | g0rd0n | is it possible to limit ram, cpu and disk usage to a vserver? |
| 17:42.46 | steven__ | Eulex: see http://pastebin.com/m3734325d |
| 17:42.55 | steven__ | jelly-home: no nfs |
| 17:43.18 | jelly-home | steven__: any other weird and possibly buggy filesystem? |
| 17:43.22 | David_ | danilocesar, re install grub ? |
| 17:43.38 | steven__ | jelly-home: no just ext3 and xfs ? |
| 17:43.41 | jelly-home | steven__: check your dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log) for filesystem issues |
| 17:43.50 | steven__ | server has been running fine for about 8 months ? |
| 17:44.04 | steven__ | jelly-home: nothing in dmesg apart from stuff at the last boot |
| 17:44.12 | steven__ | as i say all looks fine |
| 17:44.28 | jelly-home | steven__: can you try lsof-ing the process? |
| 17:44.45 | steven__ | iostat shows 99.90% utilization of my disk though |
| 17:45.03 | steven__ | but i think it's this bloody find which i can't kill |
| 17:45.10 | steven__ | lol |
| 17:45.18 | jelly-home | steven__: it's not just find. |
| 17:45.23 | steven__ | will try lsof |
| 17:45.45 | jelly-home | steven__: it might hang too, mind |
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| 17:46.08 | steven__ | no it completed |
| 17:46.24 | danilocesar | David_: I tried... I tried to unstall grub, grub2, lilo... It's funny, because if I hold alt key when I power up my machine, it shows me Linux (he think that it's a windows partitions, but it's OK) as an boot options, and it starts fast. But hold alt key during boot shouldn't be compulsory =) |
| 17:46.33 | steven__ | just one dir open /home/backup/mysql which is used by mysql-zrm for backups ? hmm |
| 17:46.47 | tuxcraft1r | can sombody give me the name of a debian package that only icludes a simple bash script? |
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| 17:47.05 | jelly-home | steven__: you found yourself a nice filesystem issue! is that mountpoint xfs? |
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| 17:47.13 | steven__ | it is |
| 17:48.01 | danilocesar | julieN^: Julien Blache: |
| 17:48.14 | jelly-home | steven__: does lsof -p 6812 also have something with that directory? |
| 17:48.25 | danilocesar | julieN^: Julien Blache? |
| 17:48.25 | steven__ | jelly-home: 2 process accsessing one is an ls which i issued earlier and didn't realise had never returned and the other is the find |
| 17:48.44 | steven__ | some kind of deadlock ? |
| 17:48.49 | jelly-home | yep |
| 17:48.57 | steven__ | bugger |
| 17:49.00 | jelly-home | and mysql-zrm-purge, too |
| 17:49.01 | steven__ | thier go's my uptime |
| 17:49.17 | jelly-home | uname -r? |
| 17:49.21 | abrotman | julieN^: di you need help? |
| 17:49.23 | abrotman | do |
| 17:49.27 | steven__ | uname -r |
| 17:49.31 | steven__ | ? |
| 17:49.40 | jelly-home | steven__: what's the kernel version? |
| 17:49.50 | kiggy | sylar: i found exit |
| 17:50.05 | steven__ | ah sorry it's been a long weekend 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 17:50.54 | steven__ | begining to wich i had just stuck with ext3 now! |
| 17:51.01 | steven__ | wich* wish |
| 17:51.19 | kiggy | after mv extensions and change rights rm your profile directory and profiles.ini |
| 17:51.30 | steven__ | jelly-home: any sane way to get out of this state ? |
| 17:51.36 | jelly-home | steven__: dunno. if you need stuff to work, you can just reboot and hope it doesn't happen again :-| |
| 17:51.45 | steven__ | lol bugger |
| 17:52.01 | steven__ | if it does not come back up i have to go to the office :( |
| 17:52.18 | steven__ | oh no i don't my bad it's one of the new blades :) |
| 17:52.28 | steven__ | gotta love blades ds:) |
| 17:52.32 | jelly-home | steven__: remote management ftw |
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| 17:52.54 | steven__ | hp ilo its a life saver! |
| 17:53.06 | jelly-home | agrees |
| 17:53.21 | tuxcraft1r | somebody here or is this the wrong channel to ask something about debian packaging? |
| 17:53.52 | steven__ | jelly-home: is thier a documented bug for this with xfs ? |
| 17:53.53 | kiggy | sylar: here? |
| 17:53.57 | jelly-home | tuxcraft1r: ask away; if we don't know, we'll point you to |
| 17:54.00 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 17:54.01 | dpkg | mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 17:54.26 | jelly-home | steven__: no idea, 0 experience with xfs here |
| 17:54.38 | tuxcraft1r | jelly-home: thanks |
| 17:56.21 | xingu | steven__: it's a candy with a hole? |
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| 17:57.59 | jelly-home | holey filesystem, xingu! |
| 17:58.31 | xingu | zerofills jelly |
| 17:58.31 | earthian | xfs<ect |
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| 17:58.40 | earthian | cfs<ext3* |
| 17:58.41 | earthian | xfs |
| 17:58.48 | earthian | damn fingers x_x |
| 17:59.07 | sylar | kiggy, yes |
| 17:59.10 | jelly-home | steven__: I'd be optimistic, but upgrade to etchnhalf kernel if it happens again |
| 17:59.25 | jelly-home | !spank earthian |
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| 17:59.26 | dpkg | bends earthian over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 17:59.41 | earthian | uhh |
| 17:59.57 | earthian | and huh! dpkg is a she lol |
| 17:59.59 | earthian | :o |
| 18:00.30 | kiggy | i find exit |
| 18:01.01 | sylar | kiggy, what is the exit? |
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| 18:01.14 | kiggy | not exit |
| 18:01.29 | kiggy | decision |
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| 18:01.38 | negboy | How many RC bug does debian have ? |
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| 18:01.45 | abrotman | !rc |
| 18:01.45 | dpkg | rc is probably Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 18:01.49 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 18:01.54 | sylar | kiggy, yes, what is the decision? |
| 18:01.56 | abrotman | negboy: bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 18:02.04 | kiggy | mv your extensions to /usr/lib/mozilla/extensions |
| 18:02.06 | negboy | abrotman: thanks . |
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| 18:02.56 | kiggy | change rights, remove extensions directory from your profile |
| 18:02.57 | sylar | kiggy, I have moved them to /usr/lib/iceweasel/extensions/ |
| 18:03.05 | kiggy | ok |
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| 18:03.14 | kiggy | it dosen't meen |
| 18:03.25 | hyper_ch | do I get this correctly: if I have a software raid-1 setup and then, lets say my primary drive fails... then I will power the machine down, replace the primary drive with a new blank drive, power the machine up and it will automagically mirror the "raided" partitions from the secondary drive to the primary one? |
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| 18:03.29 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 18:03.30 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 18:03.46 | kiggy | ln -s it to your.profile/extensions |
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| 18:04.39 | kiggy | remove .mozilla/firefox/profile/extensions.cache |
| 18:05.01 | kiggy | profit! |
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| 18:05.45 | xingu | hyper_ch: you'll probably have to run a command to start a mirror resync; and, sata supports hotplug if you're nice to it |
| 18:07.17 | hyper_ch | xingu: well, some downtime won't matter, hand power off, replace, power on :) |
| 18:07.38 | sylar | kiggy, it doesn't work for me |
| 18:10.52 | kiggy | it's works, i check it |
| 18:12.18 | sylar | kiggy, do you use iceweasel? do you have /usr/lib/iceweasel dir too? |
| 18:12.45 | kiggy | yes yes |
| 18:13.21 | sylar | and you put extensions in /usr/lib/mozilla ? |
| 18:13.35 | sylar | my /usr/lib/mozilla has only a plugins folder |
| 18:13.46 | sylar | kiggy, ^ |
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| 18:14.10 | kiggy | yes, but it dosen't mean where they are |
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| 18:17.59 | kiggy | after move create symbolic link for each user |
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| 18:20.57 | kiggy | i move extensions to iceweacel dir and they still worked |
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| 18:22.06 | jogla | thats maybe because iceweasel and firefox are similar projects |
| 18:22.24 | jogla | they both use gtk2, they both run on windows and on linux, they're both free software |
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| 18:25.24 | anddam | hello |
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| 18:25.32 | jogla | Hello |
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| 18:26.13 | streuner_ | !iceweasel |
| 18:26.13 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 18:27.25 | kiggy | !irssi |
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| 18:27.25 | dpkg | hmm... irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
| 18:27.34 | jogla | !perl |
| 18:27.34 | dpkg | hmm... perl is the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerful if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ or #perl |
| 18:27.46 | jogla | dpkg: damn right |
| 18:27.46 | dpkg | sends right to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers. |
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| 18:28.08 | kiggy | !help |
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| 18:28.37 | badcfe | how do i convert a sequence of jpeg images into a mpeg movie? |
| 18:29.00 | badcfe | is there a suitable debian package that has this function? |
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| 18:30.04 | kiggy | kino? |
| 18:30.13 | kiggy | kino |
| 18:30.20 | starke | hey anybody know the apt command to go from stable to testing? |
| 18:30.24 | badcfe | dpkg: damn enlightenment |
| 18:30.24 | dpkg | sends enlightenment to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers. |
| 18:30.53 | badcfe | a command line thing? |
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| 18:31.33 | anddam | badcfe: mplayer should do it |
| 18:31.34 | anddam | afair |
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| 18:31.47 | Sebby_C | How do i restart/refresh my network connection on Debian 4 ? |
| 18:31.50 | anddam | badcfe: and there's a deb package for mplayer |
| 18:32.01 | anddam | Sebby invoke-rc.d network restart |
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| 18:32.17 | anddam | Sebby_C: or /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 18:32.27 | Sebby_C | 10q |
| 18:32.30 | anddam | ? |
| 18:32.32 | Sebby_C | i hope will wotk |
| 18:32.35 | jpinx | !tell starke about etch=>lenny |
| 18:32.36 | Sebby_C | work |
| 18:32.36 | Jacob_H | !tell starke about etch->lenny |
| 18:32.45 | badcfe | anddam: ok i see it can output too .. didnt know. thanks! |
| 18:32.48 | anddam | is going greatly today |
| 18:33.05 | Sebby_C | debian:/etc/mail# updatedb |
| 18:33.05 | Sebby_C | debian:/etc/mail# /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 18:33.05 | Sebby_C | bash: /etc/init.d/network: No such file or directory |
| 18:33.09 | pppoe_dude | hello |
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| 18:33.31 | pppoe_dude | which kernel version does the latest stable debian come with? |
| 18:33.36 | badcfe | networking |
| 18:33.50 | badcfe | Sebby_C: networking |
| 18:33.53 | anddam | Sebby_C: /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 18:34.08 | nascentmind | hi. how do i control bandwidth in apt-get? |
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| 18:34.23 | anddam | nascentmind: does apt-get limit band on its own? |
| 18:34.40 | shovi | question... If I download Debian minimal, will it be able to dl the rest with wireless |
| 18:34.47 | pppoe_dude | oh never mind i found a link |
| 18:34.48 | Jacob_H | pppoe_dude: 2.6.18 |
| 18:35.08 | Jacob_H | but there's also etch-and-a-half |
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| 18:35.39 | nascentmind | anddam, i am not sure. i am having getting slow downloads even when i am having a fast connection. |
| 18:35.41 | mystery | Hi. |
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| 18:36.06 | mystery | I have been using ubuntu for a year now and I've thinking to switch to Debian. Do you think it's a good idea? |
| 18:36.10 | anddam | nascentmind: fast connection doesn't mean fast download |
| 18:36.20 | ofl_ | how can i read standard file line by line , because for x in $(cat $PASSWORD_FILE); not work for me |
| 18:36.22 | anddam | mystery: are you confident with ubuntu? |
| 18:36.23 | nascentmind | anddam, slow mirrors? |
| 18:36.28 | anddam | nascentmind: like |
| 18:36.31 | mystery | anddam: Sure. ;) |
| 18:36.51 | badcfe | anddam: mplayer doesnt seem to support a set of jpeg as input. how could i accomplish this? what if i just concat them? what format would that be? |
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| 18:36.55 | pppoe_dude | i'd like to install debian but i'm not sure that 2.6.18 supports my laptop :S |
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| 18:37.12 | Jacob_H | !tell pppoe_dude about etchandahalf |
| 18:37.30 | shovi | question... If I download Debian minimal, will it be able to dl the rest with wireless? |
| 18:37.35 | pppoe_dude | oh thanks Jacob_H |
| 18:37.35 | mystery | anddam: The only think I m worried about is the graphical point of you. Ive started with ubuntu because Ive been told is one of the most user-friendly distros of Linux. I really like Synaptic, I am not really a fan of installing from the terminal. |
| 18:38.14 | anddam | badcfe: not sure, search about concatenating movies |
| 18:38.17 | Jacob_H | shovi: you're much better off with a wired connection, considering what a pain wireless can be to setup |
| 18:38.39 | shovi | ok |
| 18:38.45 | mystery | On debian, when you want to download a package from the repos, do you have to do it with sudo apt-get or is there something similar to Synaptic of Ubuntu? |
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| 18:38.56 | anddam | mystery: I'm not this great guru, I just happen to get a debian disc from a magazine back then (2.x) and I stayed |
| 18:39.00 | Sebby_C | how do i restart eth ? |
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| 18:39.18 | Jacob_H | mystery: you can use synaptic |
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| 18:39.26 | pppoe_dude | so I can install etch and a half with netinst+CD1? |
| 18:39.28 | Sebby_C | !help eth |
| 18:39.28 | anddam | mystery: debian the installer point is the least important, unless you are mantaining a network you won't spend most of your time installing |
| 18:39.29 | elijahwright | type /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:39.30 | mystery | Jacob_H: Oh, great. :) |
| 18:39.42 | elijahwright | (if eth is your ethernet device...) |
| 18:39.45 | Jacob_H | mystery: IIRC it was developed by debian in the first place :) |
| 18:39.46 | anddam | mystery: and debian has all kind of installers I think, even tho' having a headless box I don't care much |
| 18:39.55 | mystery | anddam: No, it's just for personal use. |
| 18:39.59 | anddam | elijahwright: define "restart eth" |
| 18:40.16 | anddam | mystery: perfectly the same, imho |
| 18:40.16 | pppoe_dude | also, i have a 64bit intel processor (centrino) would that use IA64? or amd64? |
| 18:40.17 | mystery | But then what is the difference of Ubuntu and Debian? Ubuntu is based on Debian, but what are the actual differences? |
| 18:40.25 | Jacob_H | pppoe_dude: get the etchandahalf installer |
| 18:40.26 | Germanaz0 | do as sudo |
| 18:40.29 | Germanaz0 | rm -r / |
| 18:40.37 | Germanaz0 | is funny |
| 18:40.49 | anddam | mystery: again I'm not that big guru, I think ubuntu's logo is more geometrical and I think at some point they were shipping you discs |
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| 18:41.15 | pppoe_dude | Jacob_H, ok will do |
| 18:41.30 | anddam | mystery: obviously programs' versions will change a little, and I think policies are different |
| 18:41.41 | Germanaz0 | sudo rm -r / |
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| 18:41.52 | mystery | anddam: Oh, ok. And one last thing, does Compiz run on Debian too? |
| 18:41.58 | anddam | mystery: again nothing you as an user should care about |
| 18:42.07 | Malf | mystery: Yep I'm running compiz in gnome as we speak |
| 18:42.14 | anddam | mystery: I'm running it on etch and ibook |
| 18:42.28 | pppoe_dude | Germanaz0, that's not very funny last time i checked |
| 18:42.38 | mystery | anddam: Omg, I'm in love with Apple computers;p |
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| 18:42.51 | pppoe_dude | which was in a vm, it was fun I guess but not that funny |
| 18:42.52 | anddam | Germanaz0: I think you could be kicked or banned for that |
| 18:42.53 | Germanaz0 | yes it is |
| 18:42.57 | Germanaz0 | chmod 777 -r / |
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| 18:43.00 | Germanaz0 | that is funny too |
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| 18:43.12 | Germanaz0 | anddam- why ? :X |
| 18:43.15 | xingu | badcfe: see mencoder(1): EXAMPLES OF MENCODER USAGE: Encode all *.jpg files in the current directory: |
| 18:43.17 | pppoe_dude | yeah in #ubuntu you'd be banned about 15 minutes ago haha |
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| 18:43.30 | Germanaz0 | xD pppoe_dude did u tried it ? |
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| 18:43.35 | anddam | Germanaz0: I think there are rules for #debian, I'm not an op myself |
| 18:43.39 | pppoe_dude | Germanaz0, hell no i'm not that dumb |
| 18:43.50 | pppoe_dude | but it;s not very nice to say that in a channel |
| 18:44.02 | pppoe_dude | there may be inexperienced people who think it's actually fun |
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| 18:44.11 | ruelps | typically germans... |
| 18:44.39 | Germanaz0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWOjmvWPRvQ |
| 18:44.45 | Germanaz0 | that happend |
| 18:44.48 | mystery | Uh, ok, so I'm gonna download Debian and I need some help. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:44.49 | Germanaz0 | when u run rm -r / |
| 18:44.55 | Jacob_H | pppoe_dude: thankfully, this being #debian not #ubuntu means that most people don't have sudo set up :) |
| 18:45.03 | mystery | There are a lot of .iso files, which one is the right onw? :s |
| 18:45.10 | pppoe_dude | Jacob_H, :) |
| 18:45.32 | mystery | *one |
| 18:45.36 | anddam | mystery: what do you need? |
| 18:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jacob_H, indeed... so he's also offtopic and should go to #ubuntu anyways :-P |
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| 18:46.13 | mystery | anddam: ? Well, I want the latest one that runs Gnome but there are like 5 .iso files there of Debian 4. |
| 18:46.16 | Jacob_H | !tell mystery about install guide |
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| 18:48.10 | pppoe_dude | so for "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5800 @ 2.00GHz" would I get the IA64? i'm really inexperienced when it comes to 64-bit processors |
| 18:48.43 | mavhc | noone ever gets the IA64, always AMD64, even for intel chips |
| 18:48.47 | pppoe_dude | in fact i have a 32 bit linux installed now and can't access a quarter of my ram |
| 18:48.59 | pppoe_dude | ok amd64 it is |
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| 18:49.35 | mystery | Ok, ah, some help here. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/ Jacob_H: The link that the bot gave me doesn't really help me choose which .iso to get :S |
| 18:49.56 | pppoe_dude | it seems like they called it first eh? |
| 18:49.57 | mavhc | I bet more people have mistakenly downloaded the IA64 iso than intel have sold itanium chips |
| 18:50.04 | Malf | mystery: Do you have an internet connection to the machine that you are going to install on? |
| 18:50.43 | mystery | Malf: Yes. |
| 18:51.29 | xingu | mavhc: dunno, when ia64's are sold, they tend to be sold in large numbers |
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| 18:51.49 | Malf | mystery: Then I'd either go with debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso or debian-40r5-i386-CD-1.iso. |
| 18:51.59 | anddam | how was that etch=>lenny thiing? |
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| 18:52.04 | mystery | Malf: Ok, what are the differences of those 2? :S |
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| 18:52.31 | SwirlBoy39 | anddam: Ping |
| 18:52.46 | SwirlBoy39 | Just start typing the ops name and press tab, then type |
| 18:52.51 | sigp239 | How do I get Totem to play this? http://tychousa3.umuc.edu/LIBS150/0806/Modules/M1-Module_1/videos/e-literate.ram |
| 18:52.53 | Malf | mystery: The net install one will be enough to get you up and running and then you'll have to download most anything you want beyond a barebones system. Using the CD-1 iso will be similar but you'll have more of the typical packages available to you. I'm not sure what the specific differences are |
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| 18:53.37 | Malf | mystery: Either way you'll have a working system and be able to get gnome, compiz, whatever else you are looking for |
| 18:53.39 | mystery | Malf: With typical packages you mean just being able to boot? Will I have at least Gnome, cause im really not a fan of command line :p |
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| 18:53.56 | Malf | mystery: Let me go take a quick look |
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| 18:54.18 | Morphje | !help |
| 18:54.20 | mystery | Malf: Ok. Is there a page i can look at what each version includes? |
| 18:54.30 | Malf | mystery: That's what I'm trying to find actually |
| 18:54.40 | mystery | Malf: Oh, ok;p |
| 18:57.07 | Germanaz0 | xDD |
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| 19:00.35 | kiggy | dpkg: lenny |
| 19:00.36 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
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| 19:01.02 | mystery | Malf: Got something? |
| 19:01.09 | kiggy | dpkg: lenny status |
| 19:01.09 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 19:01.23 | Malf | mystery: All I've come across is the jidgo search that lets you search to see what CDs/DVDs contain a given package |
| 19:01.37 | sigp239 | How do I add real video codec so that gstreamer can play it? |
| 19:01.39 | Malf | mystery: Basically it looks like, aside from compiz, disc 1 should have most of the stuff you need on it |
| 19:01.54 | mystery | Malf: I don't really want compiz, I want Gnome. Will it have it? |
| 19:02.00 | Malf | mystery: Either way you'll end up connecting to a mirror on the internet and getting most of your packages from there |
| 19:02.35 | nascentmind | how do i run netselect-apt if i am behind a router? |
| 19:02.40 | mystery | Malf: Is Gnome included? |
| 19:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !freeze kiggy |
| 19:02.44 | dpkg | prepares to release kiggy. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
| 19:03.41 | xingu | !freeze trapped wind |
| 19:03.41 | dpkg | prepares to release trapped wind. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
| 19:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you could use /msg dpkg somekeyword when chatting with the bot.... it likes the privacy |
| 19:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, you're sick mister |
| 19:04.04 | Malf | mystery: It looks like cd 1 does have the basic packages needed for gnome |
| 19:04.04 | kiggy | ok |
| 19:04.15 | Malf | mystery: I'm not 100% sure what all of the packages are that gnome needs |
| 19:04.27 | Malf | mystery: So it might still have to grab a few things from the internet, though I suspect it'll be fine |
| 19:04.27 | mystery | Malf: Can you give me the link to that search? |
| 19:04.46 | Malf | mystery: Here's a list of all the packages in the first install cd http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=gnome+etch+_i386&l=http%3A%2F%2Fcdimage.debian.org%2Fcdimage%2Frelease%2F4.0_r5%2Fi386%2Fjigdo-cd%2Fdebian-40r5-i386-CD-1.jigdo |
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| 19:05.04 | Malf | mystery: And here's the search http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=gnome+etch+_i386 |
| 19:05.05 | Germanaz0 | pppoe_dude- that's funny too |
| 19:05.06 | Germanaz0 | python -c 'import os; os.system("".join([chr(ord(i)-1) for i in "sn!.sg!+"]))’ |
| 19:05.07 | Germanaz0 | xD |
| 19:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | mystery, so you will not have internet access? |
| 19:05.16 | nascentmind | can anybody help me? Is there anyway to run netselect-apt if i am behind a router? |
| 19:05.21 | Malf | See I think he will so it shouldn't matter |
| 19:05.23 | mystery | CutMeOwnThroat: I will, why? :s |
| 19:05.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Germanaz0, stop it |
| 19:05.47 | Germanaz0 | beh |
| 19:05.49 | Germanaz0 | ok |
| 19:05.51 | darius12_ | I can't get wakeonlan to work on my laptop. It is enabled in the BIOS |
| 19:05.52 | Malf | I haven't used the installer in a while so I didn't want to claim with 100% certainty that he could really easily get gnome running right after the install frmo a netinstall |
| 19:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mystery, because netinstall will make you pull all needed packages from the internet |
| 19:06.10 | darius12_ | and I have ethtool -s eth0 wol g in the halt script |
| 19:06.16 | mystery | CutMeOwnThroat: Does netinstall have Gnome? |
| 19:06.32 | Malf | mystery: The CD does not but the internet does and it will pull it from the internet |
| 19:06.32 | anddam | mystery: it doesn't for sure |
| 19:06.37 | mystery | Malf: It seems to have all the packages of nautilus so I probably there is gnome. |
| 19:06.44 | anddam | mystery: wouldn't be a netinstall otherwise |
| 19:06.45 | Malf | mystery: Yeah |
| 19:06.45 | darius12_ | (btw, debian testing 32-bit) |
| 19:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mystery, you can/will get everything from the internet... it doesn't matter what is on the CD or not |
| 19:07.27 | mystery | CutMeOwnThroat, anddam, malf: Ok, so with netinstall when I install it, will it run on command line? |
| 19:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mystery, and that will happen as part of the install process... |
| 19:07.48 | darius12_ | but the laptop doesn't want to wake up with the magic packet although the nic light stays lit after shutdown |
| 19:08.05 | mystery | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, ok then. I just wanna make sure that I will have gnome. |
| 19:08.14 | Malf | mystery: As long as you tell it to install the gnome package when you're going through your install it should boot up to gnome once you're done with the install |
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| 19:08.24 | mystery | Malf: Oh, ok :) |
| 19:08.41 | mystery | So, going for this package: debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso 05 |
| 19:08.46 | mystery | Ok? |
| 19:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | mystery, if you want X, you'll get X - and I think gnome is the default for normal install disk (but I'v cloned the last 8 machines or so I installed from an earlier one, so I've not run a normal install in a long time) |
| 19:09.38 | Malf | mystery: Yeah that should be fine |
| 19:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 19:10.09 | mystery | Ok, thanks guys ;) |
| 19:10.09 | mystery | =] |
| 19:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | the current testing is also not such a bad choice right now, because lenny is already frozen for a while |
| 19:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | might save some downloading when it becomes stable..... |
| 19:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but considering that that could be only middle of next year... :) |
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| 19:11.11 | mystery | Oh, btw, this version of Debian supports the latest Nautilus right? There is the tabbed nautilus? |
| 19:11.33 | sigp239 | How do I add real video codec so that gstreamer can play it? |
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| 19:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't do nautilus |
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| 19:14.00 | Malf | mystery: I'm in testing and I don't see any way to make a tab in nautilus but I also never really use it so I'm not sure how it's normally done |
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| 19:14.12 | slept | hi, I got some files with broken nameing , they have a "?" in their name , but its not an ordinary ? , in bash they have a cirle round in nautilus a square, how are those � called and how do i get rid of them ? |
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| 19:14.44 | mystery | Malf: Did you try Ctrl + T? |
| 19:15.14 | mystery | slept: Those files have non-english characters? |
| 19:15.23 | lc0035234 | hello, assume I have ex.example.com on my server, how can I find to which directory it is binded ? |
| 19:15.23 | Germanaz0 | someone know if there will be an iceweasel 3.1 |
| 19:15.28 | Germanaz0 | bcz firefox 3.1 is up |
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| 19:15.33 | Malf | mystery: Just did and it didn't do much of anything. Although I typoed and hit ctrl r I think a few times and threw some folders in the trash.. |
| 19:15.36 | Germanaz0 | but don't iceweasel :X |
| 19:15.38 | Malf | mystery: So that's almost as good |
| 19:15.51 | mystery | Malf: lol :p |
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| 19:16.52 | mystery | Btw, is there a set period of time that a new version of Debian comes out? Like, with Ubuntu it's every 6 months. |
| 19:17.04 | slept | mystery, well they had some fi chars but with utf8 that shouldn't be a problem ? |
| 19:17.33 | Malf | mystery: Not really. They set goals but it's ultimately, we release when the software is stable enough to be released |
| 19:17.34 | Jacob_H | mystery: a new stable comes out when it's ready |
| 19:18.25 | mystery | Malf, Jacob_H: Oh that's good cause with Ubuntu Hardy it was so not ready to come out and everyone was complaining about errors. |
| 19:18.49 | sigp239 | mystery: Do those packages provide codec for gstreamer for real video? |
| 19:18.56 | mystery | But they had to release it at that time cause that's their philosophy. every 6 months new release;p |
| 19:19.11 | mystery | sigp239: Not sure, give it a shot, they might ;) |
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| 19:19.46 | Valtiel | hi |
| 19:19.52 | Valtiel | i need help |
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| 19:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigp239, http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/d000cd4df32ff334 |
| 19:20.08 | Valtiel | vlc don't playng video |
| 19:20.19 | Valtiel | i need install a codecs |
| 19:20.32 | Valtiel | what must i install |
| 19:20.39 | mystery | Valtiel: WHat videos? From a Dvd? |
| 19:20.42 | Jacob_H | Valtiel: what are you trying to play? |
| 19:20.43 | Valtiel | on ubuntu all playng good |
| 19:20.51 | thedonvaughn | Valtiel: more specific. what video? format? |
| 19:21.18 | lc0035234 | hello, assume I have ex.example.com on my server, how can I find to which directory it is binded ? |
| 19:21.30 | anddam | lc0035234: you have what? |
| 19:21.38 | lc0035234 | some site |
| 19:22.20 | lc0035234 | it must read fro /home/www/sites/site_dir |
| 19:22.20 | thedonvaughn | lc0035234: binded to a directory? i'm totally confused |
| 19:22.20 | anddam | I'm assuming you're talking about httpd, aren't you? |
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| 19:22.20 | Valtiel | http://pastebin.ru/298502 |
| 19:22.20 | Valtiel | this |
| 19:22.20 | anddam | lc0035234: check what server are you using, then check its config file |
| 19:22.21 | thedonvaughn | lc0035234: oh you mean your web server's document root. Depends on the webserver. |
| 19:22.21 | Valtiel | console output |
| 19:22.29 | lc0035234 | webserver is apache |
| 19:22.30 | mysteryc[brb] | Valtiel: Oh, you mean .avi videos? |
| 19:22.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | my |
| 19:22.38 | Valtiel | [00000302] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'. |
| 19:22.52 | Valtiel | any avi files playng good |
| 19:22.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I have some problem but want you to guess what it is, can you help me?" |
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| 19:23.11 | Valtiel | i think this use a diferent conec |
| 19:23.13 | thedonvaughn | lc0035234: check around /etc/apache2 or /etc/apache - you have to define your domain. check apache tutorials or ask your server's admin |
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| 19:23.40 | anddam | lc0035234: you're likely searching for httpd.conf and grepping "Root" in it |
| 19:24.07 | Valtiel | what cen i install |
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| 19:24.25 | Kohlrabi | Valtiel: ask in #videolan |
| 19:24.36 | Valtiel | ok |
| 19:24.42 | anddam | Valtiel: is that mandarin? |
| 19:24.43 | mysteryc[brb] | Valtiel: I don't know about vlc, but try www.videolan.org. You might want to try another media player to play your video. For example xine or mplayer. |
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| 19:25.05 | petemc | Valtiel: you probably want w32codecs /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 19:25.45 | pkcahier | how can I manually force given dns in resolv.conf? it seems everytimes dhcp acts(through /etc/network/interfaces or so) it changes back my resolv.conf -_- |
| 19:26.22 | petemc | !resolv.conf |
| 19:26.22 | dpkg | methinks resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, use eg. "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. You can also "prepend" or "append" instead of "supersede". ask me about <fixresolvconf> |
| 19:26.23 | anddam | pkcahier: you can specify them in interfaces entries |
| 19:26.33 | pkcahier | how so anddam? |
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| 19:26.47 | anddam | pkcahier: not sure, check man interfaces |
| 19:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | pkcahier, see what dpkg said |
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| 19:27.26 | Posterdati | hi |
| 19:27.32 | pkcahier | ok, thanks |
| 19:27.32 | Posterdati | please |
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| 19:27.40 | Valtiel | i don't see w32codecs in may repos |
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| 19:27.44 | Valtiel | ((( |
| 19:27.58 | Valtiel | searching was empty |
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| 19:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Valtiel about debian-multimedia |
| 19:28.13 | Posterdati | how can I suppress console messages from a process? processname > /dev/null ??' |
| 19:28.17 | Valtiel | i type w32codecs |
| 19:28.25 | Valtiel | and nothing |
| 19:28.28 | Jacob_H | Valtiel: read the messages from dpkg |
| 19:29.00 | Jacob_H | Posterdati: which process in particular? |
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| 19:29.40 | Posterdati | Jacob_H: a script |
| 19:29.53 | Posterdati | some_script >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 19:29.59 | Posterdati | will it work? |
| 19:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti |
| 19:30.11 | dpkg | Why don't you try it? |
| 19:30.21 | Jacob_H | Posterdati: > /dev/null will output the standard output to /dev/null. That will work in most but not all situations. |
| 19:30.37 | Posterdati | CutMeOwnThroat: done! |
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| 19:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Posterdati, :) trying that is also faster than asking here, no? :) |
| 19:31.16 | pkcahier | meh |
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| 19:31.21 | pkcahier | that supercede didnt work |
| 19:31.25 | pkcahier | *supersede |
| 19:31.35 | Valtiel | totem playing all video |
| 19:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 19:31.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:31.42 | Valtiel | but vlc is not |
| 19:31.45 | Valtiel | why |
| 19:31.47 | Valtiel | ?? |
| 19:31.52 | Valtiel | only sound |
| 19:32.10 | Posterdati | CutMeOwnThroat, Jacob_H : works! |
| 19:32.15 | Jacob_H | !enter |
| 19:32.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 19:32.59 | Jacob_H | Posterdati: good :-), just be careful in future in case your script has both information messages and a stdout |
| 19:33.35 | Posterdati | Jacob_H: only garbage :) it complains about a lot of stuff like libgtk2.0 not found |
| 19:33.40 | Jacob_H | Valtiel: have you installed the codecs from debian-multimedia? |
| 19:33.48 | Posterdati | Jacob_H: it is proe launch script |
| 19:33.52 | esthar | My framebuffer is broken |
| 19:34.04 | esthar | After UI boot up I cannto switch to it |
| 19:34.20 | Valtiel | no |
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| 19:34.24 | AYI | hey |
| 19:34.30 | AYI | i am using debian nvidia 8400 |
| 19:34.36 | Valtiel | hwy totem playng video all |
| 19:34.37 | AYI | i am searching for xorg file |
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| 19:34.43 | Valtiel | vlc is not |
| 19:34.44 | Valtiel | ? |
| 19:34.46 | AYI | can you suggest one |
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| 19:35.59 | Jacob_H | Posterdati: that's fine. It's just if you are using something like tar, the standard output is the files (I believe) with additional logging, so if you tar’ed something with > /dev/null you'd end up with no files |
| 19:36.20 | Jacob_H | A small matter, though, just to bare in mind :) |
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| 19:36.38 | Posterdati | Jacob_H: do you know ptc's proe? |
| 19:37.03 | Jacob_H | Posterdati: no, sorry, never heard of it! |
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| 19:38.27 | hyper_ch | is it correct to say, that those two raid1 arrays are in sync and work as supposed? http://phpfi.com/378809 |
| 19:38.41 | Jacob_H | AYI: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (as root) |
| 19:38.58 | AYI | ye s i know that |
| 19:39.03 | AYI | but i am using compiz |
| 19:39.15 | AYI | i wonna do special settings for compiz |
| 19:39.17 | AYI | i mean |
| 19:39.21 | AYI | renderaccel |
| 19:39.27 | AYI | backingstore etc... |
| 19:39.32 | Jacob_H | !tell AYI about enter |
| 19:40.10 | AYI | sorry for enter |
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| 19:41.52 | Jacob_H | AYI: IIRC, most 3d acceleration settings can be set with dpkg-reconfigure x… However, it’s years since I messed around with that sort of thing, so your best bet is to follow a debian tutorial (e.g. http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz) |
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| 19:43.45 | mysteryc | Back;p |
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| 19:46.21 | sigp239 | How do I add real video codec so that totem-gstreamer can play it? |
| 19:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigp239, did you read the url I pasted you |
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| 19:49.12 | sigp239 | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes I did not have pitfdll installed. I installed it just now. |
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| 19:49.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigp239, but it seems that most videos will just not play with gstreamer right now |
| 19:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | so use a different player for them (like mplayer) |
| 19:50.11 | sigp239 | alright I have mplayer installed |
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| 19:50.37 | acidslep | hoi |
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| 19:52.36 | acidslep | where can i look at driver options |
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| 19:52.51 | acidslep | like i want to turn on video ports on the back of my laptop |
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| 19:53.00 | acidslep | where should i look for the options for that |
| 19:53.28 | anddam | acidslep: did you look behind the laptop? ;-) |
| 19:53.37 | acidslep | hehe |
| 19:53.39 | mysteryc | lol;p |
| 19:53.43 | anddam | acidslep: most likely in your chipset driver |
| 19:53.55 | anddam | but I'm not sure |
| 19:54.02 | acidslep | right, but im not understand how to poke at the driver |
| 19:54.31 | simonrvn | try modinfo <drivername> |
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| 19:55.07 | Edward123 | hey |
| 19:55.12 | mysteryc | Hi. |
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| 19:55.34 | acidslep | simonrvn, fail. the only place i know of the driver is in xorg.conf |
| 19:55.37 | Edward123 | i've setup uShare - the xbox 360 recognises 'uShare' as a device and even lists the divx on it but when i try and play it just waits and never actually loads anything? |
| 19:55.44 | Edward123 | no errors, nothing suspicious |
| 19:56.00 | abrotman | Edward123: how is that a Debian issue? |
| 19:56.13 | acidslep | hehe |
| 19:56.23 | Edward123 | abrotman, well it's a general linux software issue is it not? |
| 19:56.24 | acidslep | Edward123, have you tried playing from ushrae on something else? |
| 19:56.30 | simonrvn | acidslep: oh, it's an x driver? try its manual |
| 19:56.39 | simonrvn | man <driver> |
| 19:56.51 | Edward123 | acidslep, i don't think i have any other device that will try and look at shares in the same way as the 360 |
| 19:56.56 | abrotman | Edward123: what is ushare? which version of linux? |
| 19:56.59 | acidslep | right, it says nothing about it. cause its not about the mobile ones :( maybe try the dual desktop stuff? |
| 19:57.21 | acidslep | Edward123 still worth a try to see if it works at all |
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| 19:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, nice, didn't know modinfo |
| 19:57.37 | anddam | bye |
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| 19:59.00 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: i forget about it myself sometimes, but it's handy :). |
| 19:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, thx for mentioning it to the guy up there :) |
| 19:59.30 | acidslep | just presses tab sometimes and does random commands to learn stuff :) |
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| 20:02.21 | acidslep | ok i cant find anything in there :( |
| 20:03.00 | mysteryc | Ok, so it took me ages to find a blank cd in my house so I just got one and now I'm burning the .iso of debian. I assume the installer will ask me in which of the 2 hard discs that I have is going to install Debian on, right? |
| 20:03.10 | acidslep | yes |
| 20:03.14 | mysteryc | Ok. |
| 20:03.28 | acidslep | be sure to pick the right one :) |
| 20:03.36 | mysteryc | Well, see ya later folks *hopefully* ;p I'm gonna install Debian :) |
| 20:03.47 | dvs | acidslep: the one with Windows on it! :-> |
| 20:03.47 | Jacob_H | likes to physically remove one hd in such situations, just to be sure :) |
| 20:03.51 | mysteryc | Lol! I hope! xD :p =] Laterz! ;) =] |
| 20:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mysteryc, nah, it'll just erase everything it can reach whatsoever -P |
| 20:03.55 | mysteryc | ;p |
| 20:03.59 | mysteryc | lol;p |
| 20:04.01 | acidslep | good luck, you wont be able to tell the drives apart if they are same |
| 20:04.04 | Jacob_H | CutMeOwnThroat: that's the OpenBSD installer |
| 20:04.12 | acidslep | haha |
| 20:04.15 | mysteryc | Lol, they're not;p |
| 20:04.15 | Malf | Yeah I'm a remove the other hd type of guy as well |
| 20:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jacob_H, I thought that's the windows installer |
| 20:04.23 | mysteryc | anw, bb! im excited now!;p =] |
| 20:04.35 | acidslep | hehe |
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| 20:04.44 | Malf | He is totally going to reformat the wrong drive |
| 20:04.51 | acidslep | i know right |
| 20:04.56 | Jacob_H | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 20:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in "oh, this partition has an ext2 file system on it - do you want to format it?" |
| 20:05.28 | Malf | I can see it now... mysteryc: Hey does anyone know of any tools to un-format a drive in debian? |
| 20:05.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:05.44 | acidslep | heh |
| 20:05.48 | dvs | heh? |
| 20:05.58 | acidslep | as in hah |
| 20:06.02 | Jacob_H | Malf: have faith |
| 20:06.11 | acidslep | anyways, help me with my graphics chipset please |
| 20:06.23 | Malf | Jacob_H: I should. I'm too pessimistic lately |
| 20:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think we can all have faith that mysteryc will be back... |
| 20:06.42 | Malf | hah |
| 20:06.43 | Malf | true |
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| 20:07.11 | Jacob_H | of course, even if he does format the wrong drive, he will have a backup so it'll be easy to restore… |
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| 20:07.30 | jelly-home | ... and everyone laughed |
| 20:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jacob_H, right... everyone keeps backups - well known fact |
| 20:07.38 | dvs | Jacob_H: o_O |
| 20:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | like the fact that you eat 213 spiders in your sleep / year on average |
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| 20:08.28 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: now THAT I didn't need to know. |
| 20:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs, well, go and re-sort your backups to forget about it |
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| 20:09.20 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: I can't get that image out of my head. ;-) |
| 20:09.21 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: wasn't it like eight in a lifetime! |
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| 20:09.52 | jelly-home | yum. |
| 20:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, no, I think was /annum - but it doesn't really matter, because it's, in fact, not true |
| 20:10.26 | Jacob_H | <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1828/does-the-average-person-consume-four-spiders-per-year-in-his-sleep> |
| 20:10.26 | jelly-home | ... because snopes said so! |
| 20:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can have as many versions of an urban myth as you like .... as they're all not true |
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| 20:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | like the one about the backups |
| 20:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | closes the circle |
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| 20:12.19 | dvs | Jacob_H: phew! ;-) |
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| 20:14.24 | abrotman | dvs: now .. the mites in your eyebrows ... |
| 20:14.40 | dvs | shutters |
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| 20:15.11 | dvs | If monkeys fly out my butt, I give up. |
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| 20:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs, haha - well for one thing that is actually true - you have more bacteria in your gut than cells in your body |
| 20:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | so one could call you something like a "bus (i.e. transport vehicle) for bacteria, really |
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| 20:17.03 | Roenie | can someone please lend me a hand at getting xsane to use my HP officejet g85 as the scanner source, instead of my tv card which it chose per default? |
| 20:17.08 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: As long as they stay there and eat my food, that's fine with me. |
| 20:17.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs, if your body was a democracy, you'd lose :) |
| 20:17.39 | dvs | Roenie: ls -l /dev/scanner |
| 20:17.46 | acidslep | Roenie take out the tv card :P |
| 20:17.50 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm the president! veto! |
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| 20:18.06 | Jacob_H | acidslep: I see we are going for mechanical solutions tonight :-) |
| 20:18.15 | Roenie | ls: cannot access /dev/scanner: No such file or directory |
| 20:18.28 | acidslep | heh |
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| 20:18.55 | dvs | I think sane looks at /dev/scanner by default. I'll have to look it up. |
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| 20:20.13 | Roenie | what do i have to do to get the G85 "mounted to" /dev/scanner ? |
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| 20:20.49 | Roenie | the tv card isn't there either, /dev/scanner doesn't exist, so from where is it getting that.. know what i mean? |
| 20:22.12 | dvs | Roenie: create udev rules |
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| 20:23.50 | cahoot | Roenie: IIRC /dev/scanner is obsolete |
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| 20:26.25 | dvs | cahoot: so what does it use now? |
| 20:27.46 | squeezeme | hi o/. i'm having to copy the Packages.gz file from sources, rename them, and move it to /var/lib/apt/lists cause apt won't do it by itself... what's wrong? |
| 20:27.57 | Roenie | currently xsane is picking up /dev/video0 with no way for me to select any different |
| 20:28.05 | Roenie | sorry |
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| 20:28.10 | Roenie | v4l:/dev/video0 |
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| 20:28.33 | Roenie | so i went looking for a .conf and didn't find one |
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| 20:29.45 | dvs | Roenie: /etc/sane doesn't have any? |
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| 20:30.33 | Roenie | yea there are loads, a .conf per device that it supports (most or all of which are not in my system) |
| 20:30.56 | Jacob_H | squeezeme: are you getting an error message on apt-get update ? |
| 20:31.01 | cahoot | Roenie: how is the device connected? |
| 20:31.05 | Roenie | usb |
| 20:31.48 | Roenie | i can print with it, cups is running ok |
| 20:31.57 | Roenie | it's an all in one |
| 20:32.05 | squeezeme | Jacob_H: whenever i use apt it says "can't stat source package list ... <and the mirror bla bla >" |
| 20:32.13 | cahoot | Roenie: I'd look for its usbID in /etc/udev/ruels.d/##libsane.rules to see if it's got a rule set |
| 20:32.29 | cahoot | s/ruel/rules/ |
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| 20:32.39 | abrotman | momma's got a squeeze box and daddy never sleeps at night! |
| 20:32.54 | abrotman | squeezeme: paste the whole error in a pastebin |
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| 20:35.05 | Roenie | it does not, cahoot |
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| 20:35.47 | Roenie | (this is beyond me) |
| 20:36.00 | cahoot | Roenie: you could try create one and hope that will magically make it work |
| 20:36.11 | Roenie | hehe |
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| 20:36.30 | squeezeme | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1258081 |
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| 20:37.04 | CoolCold | Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rkB/s wkB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await svctm %util |
| 20:37.05 | CoolCold | sda 1203.00 0.00 177.00 0.00 87872.00 0.00 992.90 3.30 18.58 5.67 100.40 |
| 20:37.05 | CoolCold | sdb 0.00 1196.00 0.00 178.00 0.00 88384.00 993.08 0.72 4.04 4.00 71.20 |
| 20:37.11 | CoolCold | while the drives are the same |
| 20:37.18 | CoolCold | why this could be? |
| 20:37.24 | abrotman | squeezeme: for starters .. i wouldn't use ftp.debian.org as my mirror .. 2nd .. apt-get update && aptitude update |
| 20:37.28 | abrotman | see if that helps |
| 20:38.19 | squeezeme | abrotman: i don use that as a mirror.. i just put it there now to show you... cause everything works if i get the packages.gz file myself and put there in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 20:38.42 | squeezeme | but i probably won't update this list by itself too.. so that's why i gotta fix it =\ |
| 20:38.53 | abrotman | put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 20:39.56 | squeezeme | aptitude worked |
| 20:40.07 | squeezeme | yey! thanks |
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| 20:41.20 | pistache | Hello everybody, I've got such a big problem, and I need help from somebody |
| 20:41.27 | abrotman | we need mroe info |
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| 20:42.18 | pistache | My debian box recently freezed (Kernel Panic). I don't have anything else in the logs than "ddclient : Segmentation Fault" (ddclient is in my cron). |
| 20:42.27 | Roenie | cahoot, i added it to the libsane.rules. what do i run to force this file being re-read? |
| 20:43.13 | pistache | Many of the applications I use are doing "Segmentation Fault", so I tried "apt-get update". The repositories seemed broken (md5sum problem, Greek repositories), so I changed them. I did apt-get update again |
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| 20:43.20 | squeezeme | i have another problem.. flash won't work with iceweasel... here's the log: http://pastebin.ca/1258098 |
| 20:44.18 | Jacob_H | pistache: kernel panics usually point to a hardware problem |
| 20:44.21 | cahoot | Roenie: possibly /etc/init.d/udev restart |
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| 20:44.55 | tombs | does anyone use a HP laserjet P2055d ? |
| 20:45.03 | pistache | Then I did "apt-get upgrade", it downloaded many things, but it crashes at the configuration, processing "console-data". |
| 20:45.08 | pistache | Here is the log : http://rafb.net/p/ig4P1C48.html |
| 20:45.11 | Roenie | correct, cahoot |
| 20:45.36 | pistache | And plus, the applications that are not doing Segmentation Fault are telling me File not Found |
| 20:45.42 | cahoot | Roenie: any real use? |
| 20:45.56 | Jacob_H | pistache: what version of debian are you using? |
| 20:45.57 | Roenie | nope, it does not magically work :) |
| 20:46.13 | pistache | Even if it exists, for example : "bash: /usr/bin/screen: File not found" |
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| 20:46.30 | pistache | Jacob_H > Debian Lenny |
| 20:46.35 | cahoot | Roenie: unplug/replug and study dmesg |
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| 20:47.14 | Jacob_H | pistache: did you upgrade from etch? (And if so, did you run dist-upgrade?) |
| 20:47.17 | pistache | And I also have that repeated more than 50 times in my logs : Nov 16 22:39:02 pistache-server kernel: ddclient[3851]: segfault at 00083053 eip 08065828 esp bfce7080 error 4 |
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| 20:47.32 | pistache | Jacob_H > No. Fresh install (5 days old) |
| 20:47.56 | Jacob_H | pistache: with the lenny installer? |
| 20:48.02 | pistache | Yeah, Net Install |
| 20:48.33 | Roenie | usb 7-1: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 20:48.33 | Roenie | usblp0: removed |
| 20:49.33 | Jacob_H | pistache: well, I’m not really sure, but if you haven’t got a half-upgraded system, and it’s kernel-panicing, then I wonder if you’ve got a hardware problem. Perhaps it’s worth running memtest? |
| 20:49.51 | ruelps | wtf |
| 20:49.51 | Roenie | plugged back in... http://paste.lisp.org/display/70516 |
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| 20:50.01 | slicer_ | pistache: have u tried fixing the install? apt-get -f install? |
| 20:50.03 | ruelps | how did this :memtest come there? |
| 20:50.34 | ruelps | uh, nvm.. |
| 20:50.37 | owen1 | how to run adobe air app from the terminal? |
| 20:51.01 | Roenie | lol wrong clipboard paste, sorry cahoot |
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| 20:51.19 | Jacob_H | owen1: how do you usually run them? |
| 20:51.30 | squeezeme | does anyone have debian etch with iceweasel and flash working? |
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| 20:51.37 | pistache | slicer_ > I tried : |
| 20:51.38 | pistache | http://rafb.net/p/7C54C269.html |
| 20:51.44 | owen1 | Jacob_H: i just installed air. i don't know how to run a .air file.. |
| 20:51.54 | slicer_ | squeezeme: it works but very bad, CPU hogs all the time. |
| 20:52.05 | squeezeme | well.. that's good enough for me |
| 20:52.08 | owen1 | Jacob_H: first time trying it. |
| 20:52.09 | Roenie | cahoot, i added the proper text to the same link: http://paste.lisp.org/display/70516#1 |
| 20:52.13 | renateitor | http://flickr.com/photos/renateitor/3035185499/ |
| 20:52.20 | renateitor | my birthday cake |
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| 20:52.26 | Jacob_H | squeezeme: I had more luck with 10 than 9 (not sure if it’s still in beta) |
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| 20:52.37 | abrotman | renateitor: try #debian-offtopic |
| 20:52.46 | abrotman | squeezeme: lots of people .. why? |
| 20:53.01 | squeezeme | http://pastebin.ca/1258098 |
| 20:53.24 | cahoot | Roenie: seems at least it's recognized as printer - but that didn't solve your issue I gather |
| 20:53.37 | Roenie | correct again |
| 20:53.40 | htmlol | apache2 worked until now; for some reason now, I'm getting a 404 for every file that I know exists in /var/www/. |
| 20:53.44 | slicer_ | pistache: remove console-data and console-common. and try apt-get -f install |
| 20:53.46 | Jacob_H | owen1: I think your best bet is to read through adobe’s documentation |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | htmlol: apache has error logs .. try reading them |
| 20:54.29 | htmlol | abrotman: where are those? |
| 20:54.29 | pistache | slicer_ > Okay, I did that |
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| 20:54.36 | pistache | Now, "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 20:54.41 | cahoot | Roenie: at this stage and hour I'd suggest googling linux + and the usbID |
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| 20:55.15 | slicer_ | pistache: is the install online? |
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| 20:55.41 | pistache | Uhh what do you mean slicer_ ? Yes i did "apt-get -f install" |
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| 20:55.57 | slicer_ | pistache: well did it fix anything? |
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| 20:58.26 | htmlol | [Sun Nov 16 15:52:55 2008] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /htdocs |
| 20:58.33 | htmlol | is the error I am getting from apache2 |
| 20:58.47 | Sebboh | Some vendor is making some claims.. And it sounds plausible, but, can I get a second opinion? http://www.neoaccel.com/gi-index.php They are saying that their method of doing TCP/IP over TCP/IP is better than the standard implementations.. Is there a free/open implementation that addresses the issues they're talking about here? |
| 20:59.02 | Waxhead | I have been trying to get wifi running on my acer aspire one 150. I have followed the guide at wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne but no luck. If I run lspci I get the wifi controller listed and it shows kernel driver in use as ath_pci. I assume something is not started / loaded. What should I look for? (btw: running lenny) |
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| 20:59.52 | slicer_ | Waxhead: encrypted? |
| 21:00.13 | Waxhead | slicer_: yeah |
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| 21:00.36 | luigi^ | hello |
| 21:00.45 | slicer_ | have u tried scanning for devices? |
| 21:00.51 | slicer_ | iwlist scan |
| 21:00.52 | luigi^ | nfs-user-server is not installing |
| 21:01.11 | luigi^ | I think I tinkered with rpc/portmap in the past but I can't remember what I did... |
| 21:01.13 | Waxhead | slicer_: I get interface does not support scanning |
| 21:01.37 | slicer_ | try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 21:01.42 | slicer_ | then iwlist scan |
| 21:02.05 | Waxhead | slicer_: wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device (from ifconfig....) |
| 21:02.35 | slicer_ | ifconfig -a, look for your wireless device |
| 21:02.39 | Roenie | no cigar, cahoot... thanks anyway |
| 21:02.55 | Waxhead | slicer_: i SEE IT... |
| 21:03.03 | slicer_ | whats it callee? |
| 21:03.06 | slicer_ | called? |
| 21:03.08 | Roenie | i'll try and look into it more, later... |
| 21:03.10 | Waxhead | wifi0 |
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| 21:03.26 | slicer_ | ifconfig wifi0 up |
| 21:03.30 | slicer_ | iwlist scan |
| 21:03.35 | Waxhead | ok I loop throug it again |
| 21:03.45 | Roenie | perhaps the newsgroup readers will have some ideas |
| 21:03.47 | pistache | slicer_ > Okay, I did "apt-get upgrade" after the "apt-get -f install". |
| 21:03.52 | Waxhead | slicer_: wifi0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 21:03.55 | pistache | And I got "Segmentation fault." |
| 21:04.28 | slicer_ | Waxhead: your sure your wifi is supported by that module? |
| 21:04.30 | luigi^ | nm |
| 21:04.50 | Waxhead | slicer_: btw on wifi0 using ifconfig -a it says Link encap:UNSPEC |
| 21:05.12 | Waxhead | slicer_: Well I assume it's supported since I followed the guide at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
| 21:05.29 | slicer_ | Waxhead: you loaded the module? |
| 21:06.05 | Waxhead | slicer_: ...ahem I assume so ;) ... not really sure |
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| 21:06.24 | slicer_ | modprobe your module |
| 21:06.28 | lc0035234 | how to restart bind ? |
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| 21:06.50 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/bind9 restart ? |
| 21:07.10 | slicer_ | Waxhead: or lsmod, and see if its there |
| 21:07.16 | lc0035234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.30 | lc0035234 | there is no bind9 |
| 21:07.49 | Waxhead | slicer_: ok. I again assume this module is ath_pci ... it's listed under wlan |
| 21:07.50 | abrotman | so try that one |
| 21:07.51 | valdyn | lc0035234: is bind installed? |
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| 21:08.25 | Sebboh | pistache: your apt-get segfaulted? |
| 21:08.39 | lc0035234 | yes |
| 21:08.39 | pistache | Sebboh. Yes. |
| 21:08.49 | pistache | But not only, *everything* is segfaulting |
| 21:08.59 | pistache | bash, sendmail, apache, frontend, ssh, webmin... |
| 21:09.03 | valdyn | lc0035234: why do you not have the file /etc/init.d/bind9 ? |
| 21:09.07 | pistache | My logs are ugly. |
| 21:09.08 | Sebboh | pistache: are your libraries screwed up? I haven't been following the conversation. |
| 21:09.16 | lc0035234 | when I type bind9 restart // the shell ignores the "r" |
| 21:09.22 | pistache | Sebboh, let me a minute to resume |
| 21:09.31 | lc0035234 | and shown bind9 estart |
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| 21:10.02 | pistache | I recently saw that my logs were full of Segmentation fault. So I tried to update my system. |
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| 21:10.51 | lc0035234 | hell why |
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| 21:11.14 | pistache | I did apt-get update, which told me that the md5sums were wrong. So I changed my repositories and did it again. I had a Kernel Panic in the middle of the apt-get. I rebooted and it worked, almost. Almost because I had many problems during the package configuration (http://rafb.net/p/6mvs0588.html). |
| 21:11.20 | lc0035234 | i see bind9, but wehn I type bind9 restart it displays bind9 estart?!!!! |
| 21:11.56 | valdyn | lc0035234: use a paste site to show what is happening, including your commands and output |
| 21:12.03 | pistache | I removed "console-data" and "console-common". Now my apt-get upgrade is segfaulting, as dpkg --configure |
| 21:12.08 | pistache | And I dunno what to do. |
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| 21:12.14 | pistache | (Debian Lenny) |
| 21:12.15 | beardy | Why did you do that. |
| 21:12.15 | Sebboh | pistache: can you boot off a live CD? You're not going to get anywhere from within the broken system. I'd recommend a live CD that has a memtest tool built into it, for that matter.. |
| 21:12.17 | valdyn | pistache: you have broken hardware? |
| 21:12.36 | lc0035234 | its ssh problem.. I exit enter again solved |
| 21:12.38 | pistache | valdyn > I don't think so. |
| 21:12.45 | valdyn | pistache: well, i do |
| 21:12.52 | lc0035234 | and ./bind9 restart works |
| 21:13.15 | lc0035234 | but the bastard subdomain not |
| 21:13.26 | pistache | valdyn : Red Hat works perfectly (Dual Boot) |
| 21:14.45 | Sebboh | pistache: I agree with valdyn, the first thing to do is *confirm* that you don't have broken hardware. Sounds like bad HDD, IDE cable, or SATA cable.. If it's none of those things, sounds like (really) bad ram. If it's none of those things, your hardware is probable fine. In that case, your filesystem is perhaps really corrupted. If it's not that, then *maybe* you've just got completely wrong glibc stuff somehow, and just forgot to tell |
| 21:14.47 | Sebboh | us about error messages related to that. |
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| 21:15.34 | Roenie | there's always seppuku |
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| 21:15.45 | pistache | Sebboh > Where should I see this glibc stuff ? |
| 21:16.27 | slicer_ | pistache: otherwords stick to a debian full install CD |
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| 21:16.52 | pistache | slicer_ > oh. You mean I should reinstall ? |
| 21:17.03 | slicer_ | pistache: it would'nt take long |
| 21:17.14 | valdyn | pistache: if you dont have hardware issues, then you should reinstall |
| 21:17.25 | pistache | slicer_ > I only have netinstall |
| 21:17.34 | slicer_ | full install CD, format re-install. you can have done before memtests finishes |
| 21:18.44 | valdyn | pistache: i doubt you even tested red hat extensively |
| 21:18.50 | valdyn | pistache: (btw) |
| 21:19.11 | pistache | valdyn: I don't have Red Hat on this system, but Fedora |
| 21:19.19 | valdyn | pistache: whatever |
| 21:19.21 | pistache | You're right not extensively |
| 21:19.43 | pistache | But it *IS* working |
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| 21:19.55 | superlinux | hi all |
| 21:19.59 | valdyn | pistache: that does not mean much |
| 21:20.24 | valdyn | pistache: effects of bad ram depend on whats stored in that defective part |
| 21:20.25 | superlinux | does ffmpeg support SMP systems and how? |
| 21:20.51 | superlinux | like how can i speed up ffmpeg video conversion? |
| 21:21.18 | valdyn | superlinux: start by reading the documentation? |
| 21:21.30 | superlinux | there is an option |
| 21:21.46 | superlinux | but it's not clerar whether is it the one |
| 21:21.54 | superlinux | but it's not clear whether is it the one |
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| 21:22.28 | slicer_ | superlinux: you mean to use both cores at 100% |
| 21:22.41 | superlinux | well yea |
| 21:22.56 | superlinux | i have not dual core |
| 21:23.17 | superlinux | i have dual xeon cpus |
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| 21:23.19 | slicer_ | oh |
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| 21:23.42 | superlinux | and they are hyper threaded. so isee 4Xcpu |
| 21:23.53 | slicer_ | WoW |
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| 21:24.18 | valdyn | ht is probably pointless for this kind of load? |
| 21:24.23 | valdyn | i dont know.. |
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| 21:24.36 | superlinux | my desktop is really a used server |
| 21:24.50 | abrotman | ht is always pointless |
| 21:24.55 | superlinux | got it from ebay for 450 |
| 21:25.03 | superlinux | 450 AUD |
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| 21:27.56 | Thoku | Hi all |
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| 21:28.52 | superlinux | it seems that IT's the -threads option |
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| 21:30.02 | superlinux | thank you guy |
| 21:30.05 | superlinux | thank you guys |
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| 21:30.13 | superlinux | i found it on google |
| 21:30.23 | superlinux | it's a nice article |
| 21:30.32 | superlinux | http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com/2007/10/multithreading-in-ffmpeg-and-mpstat.html |
| 21:30.58 | Waxhead | slicer_: thanks for trying to help btw ;) |
| 21:31.12 | squeezeme | hey.. this error.. http://pastebin.ca/1258098 anyone? |
| 21:31.22 | Waxhead | is not the most polite person around |
| 21:31.49 | Thoku | How do I write a DNS rule for pointing a domain name at an IP without altering the rest of the zone? |
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| 21:33.26 | abrotman | Waxhead: did you get the firmware? |
| 21:33.35 | abrotman | wait . does madwifi have firmware? |
| 21:33.44 | abrotman | squeezeme: you can't use flash10 on etch |
| 21:34.00 | squeezeme | hm.. that's what i was about to do actually... download flash 9 |
| 21:34.05 | Waxhead | abrotman: No I just did as instructed from the debian wiki |
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| 21:34.32 | abrotman | squeezeme: try backports.org |
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| 21:35.27 | abrotman | Waxhead: guess it doesn't need frimware |
| 21:35.48 | abrotman | Waxhead: did you configure your networking at all ? |
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| 21:36.02 | Waxhead | abrotman: I guess that too ;) - I got wifi running on another linux box and I had to use ndiswrapper for that one. |
| 21:36.11 | abrotman | Waxhead: dmesg | grep wifi ? |
| 21:36.20 | abrotman | or grep eth |
| 21:36.25 | abrotman | or grep wlan |
| 21:36.46 | Waxhead | abrotman: ok hang on - a pastbin is comming up |
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| 21:38.23 | Waxhead | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1258186 |
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| 21:38.39 | Waxhead | I also tried ath0 ... there seems to be something there I guess.... |
| 21:38.42 | woden1 | Is it a good idea to run this command? apt-build world --reinstal |
| 21:39.05 | abrotman | Waxhead: if you ifconfig -a .. which ones do you see ? |
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| 21:40.45 | Waxhead | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1258196 |
| 21:41.06 | Waxhead | abrotman: (also I'm quite paranoid so I cencored some stuff :) ) |
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| 21:41.20 | sebi | hiho |
| 21:41.28 | sebi | some d-i guys there? |
| 21:41.44 | Waxhead | abrotman: and the first line is missing the a before th0 ;) |
| 21:42.07 | abrotman | you hid your mac? |
| 21:42.14 | abrotman | sebi: just ask your question |
| 21:42.35 | abrotman | Waxhead: it looks like the device is there .. just not configured |
| 21:42.46 | abrotman | Waxhead: is your AP open ? |
| 21:42.53 | Waxhead | abrotman: yeah |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | Waxhead: dhclient wifi0 |
| 21:43.12 | Waxhead | abrotman: I can connect to it from... urgh... win.... argh.... do.... ws.... (phew.. .exhausted) |
| 21:43.49 | Waxhead | abrotman: wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
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| 21:45.06 | abrotman | Waxhead: use iwconfig to associate with the AP |
| 21:45.52 | sebi | ok. i installed leny 3 hours ago, with a daily netinstall. i partioned my hdd with 80mb /boot (sda1), 40gb windows (sda2) and 40gb linux (sda3). after the installation (grub2), windowsxp didn't boot anymore. after searching around, in /boot/grub/grub.cfg was (hd0,1), but that should be (hd0,2). tracking that error back, it stated, that the d-i was responsible for that entry. |
| 21:46.00 | Waxhead | abrotman: Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : |
| 21:46.00 | Waxhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.03 | woden1 | I meant to say apt-build world --reinstall |
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| 21:46.43 | abrotman | sebi: is osprober installed ? |
| 21:46.57 | abrotman | Waxhead: iwconfig .. what does it say about wifi0 ? |
| 21:47.17 | sebi | abrotman: nope, but perhaps on the d-i cd? |
| 21:47.26 | Waxhead | abrotman: wifi0 no wireless extensions. |
| 21:47.26 | abrotman | perhaps ... |
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| 21:47.55 | sebi | if this should help: before was ubuntu installed, but i think that should not make a difference.. |
| 21:48.27 | abrotman | Waxhead: well .. that makes little sense |
| 21:49.06 | sebi | i don't plan to reproduce this on this machine here, for obvious reasons ;-) |
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| 21:49.56 | Waxhead | abrotman: well.. I'm stuck. Can I find out what stuff is glued together like ath0 is linked to ath_pci for example ? ... is there some command to find out what stuff controlls wifi0 etc ? |
| 21:50.18 | abrotman | Waxhead: you could try to bring ath0 up .. but that seems like it wouldn't do much since wifi0 is there |
| 21:50.52 | Gm4n | I just changed my network card, and all of a sudden it can't find eth0. How do I make it see the new card? |
| 21:51.01 | abrotman | !tell Gm4n about z25 |
| 21:51.40 | Gm4n | thanks, abrotman |
| 21:52.09 | Waxhead | abrotman: Well... ifup ath0 did not do anything for me (AFAIK). |
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| 21:55.06 | abrotman | Waxhead: it doesn't appear in ifconfig -a now ? |
| 21:55.39 | Waxhead | it does |
| 21:55.53 | abrotman | and with iwconfig .. does it have wifi extensions ? |
| 21:56.04 | Waxhead | but the wifi says Link encap:UNSPEC - can this be the problem ? |
| 21:56.20 | Waxhead | ...err wifi0' |
| 21:57.24 | abrotman | that i'm not sure (there is also #wireless and #madwifi which might be more help) |
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| 21:58.42 | Waxhead | abrotman: ok thanks a lot anyway and cheers! |
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| 22:04.53 | cafuego | no |
| 22:06.10 | FenrirReturns | I just installed Debian from the stable netinst on my Latitude D820 and I can't get the sound to work, I've googled around and it seems it should work out of the box. The snd_hda_intel module is loaded automatically, but I can't get any mixer to detect any devices |
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| 22:07.39 | Jacob_H | FenrirReturns: have you run alsaconf (as root)? |
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| 22:10.22 | chordogg | i'm having a problem with gtk themes in debian etch. when i try to change the theme in Theme Details to a GTK theme, all the GTK apps look nice, but everything else gnome looks ugly, and if i choose a gnome theme, gnome looks nice, but gtk apps look ugly...am i missing something? |
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| 22:11.13 | Vorbote | FenrirReturns: you will need to find out the actual make of your sound chipset and use that as a model definition in an options file in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 22:13.14 | abrotman | FenrirReturns: you may need a newer version of alsa |
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| 22:17.33 | FenrirReturns | abrotman: according to apt-get, alsa-base is up to date, is there another package I should be looking for? |
| 22:18.00 | abrotman | FenrirReturns: lspci -nn .. what is the pci id ? |
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| 22:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !suspend troubleshooting |
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| 22:18.27 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp. |
| 22:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this really the correct link? |
| 22:18.52 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: i like your nick :) |
| 22:18.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember quite a different document there |
| 22:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, haha :) |
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| 22:19.28 | FenrirReturns | abrotman: It says 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01) |
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| 22:19.54 | dustybin | dam reverse psychology didnt work :( |
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| 22:20.05 | abrotman | FenrirReturns: says that should work with the .18 in etch |
| 22:20.10 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 22:20.10 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 22:20.28 | Vorbote | CutMeOwnThroat: add yourself to the powerdev group, reboot and try to suspend/hibernate. IT should fix the problems most of the time.} |
| 22:20.43 | Jacob_H | shouldn't 6 be switched to 1 in that list? |
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| 22:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vorbote, I doubt it - s2ram used to work until a couple of days ago... but now it stopped the last 2 times with the caps-lock light blinking... until I press power-off |
| 22:21.43 | zmitya | hi all |
| 22:22.03 | zmitya | guys, can I have multiple NICs with IPs from the same network ? |
| 22:22.34 | neoice | zmitya: I dont see why you wouldnt |
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| 22:22.53 | neoice | try it out |
| 22:23.00 | zmitya | neoice: I'm in trouble with iproute2 :( |
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| 22:23.11 | bw\_ | zmitya: you can have virtual NICs in the same network, too |
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| 22:23.12 | Vorbote | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmmm..... Running testing? It could be the latest kernel update. |
| 22:23.46 | zmitya | bw\_: I need to have 2 physical network card with IPs from the same subnet |
| 22:23.48 | neoice | I only have ever used 'route' and 'iptables' |
| 22:23.58 | PathagenX | what an interesting new situation... |
| 22:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vorbote, hmm, no, but I switched to a 2.6.26 kernel not so long ago - but I'm rather sure that suspend worked with this kernel also... can't think of anything that did change last week |
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| 22:25.03 | PathagenX | I just got my shiny Debian 5.0 boxed DVD delivered and I am looking at an apt dist-upgrade from stable to testing. |
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| 22:25.48 | PathagenX | apt-get is ticking away and I am wondering why I didn't get my CD 10 minutes earlier... |
| 22:25.49 | abrotman | 5.0 isn't released yet |
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| 22:25.57 | trifler | erm I fiddled wiht openvpn a while ago. How can I keep it but just disable it from starting? :S |
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| 22:26.22 | PathagenX | Lenny |
| 22:26.31 | PathagenX | Not officially stable yet |
| 22:26.32 | neoice | pathagenX: lenny IS testing still. |
| 22:26.45 | ryushe | greetings. How can I check what might be listening on port 80 when I'm logged on via shell? My apache fails to start cause it claims there's already something listening on port 80 but I have NO idea what :/ |
| 22:26.54 | neoice | ryushe: netstat -L ? |
| 22:26.57 | PathagenX | I know I just said that |
| 22:26.58 | Vorbote | CutMeOwnThroat: it is strange, very strange... |
| 22:27.06 | neoice | netstat -l |
| 22:27.09 | neoice | little l, sorry |
| 22:27.14 | petemc | lsof -i "80 |
| 22:27.19 | petemc | ermm :80 |
| 22:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vorbote, guess I can try suspending one more time right now to see if it's reproducible... but as that leaves the FS in an unclean state and I have to reboot afterwards I don't really like trying it too often :) |
| 22:27.44 | gewt | I'm havign an issue with slow DNS resolutions... |
| 22:27.51 | gewt | im not sure if it's my DNS servers or not |
| 22:27.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps s2ram -a1 or so would be useful |
| 22:27.58 | neoice | traceroute them? |
| 22:28.02 | PathagenX | try using openNIC instead of your router/modem |
| 22:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I can try right now - I calso can't remember what the last console messages were |
| 22:28.16 | xsdg | hmm... is there a channel to talk about freedesktop.org standards? |
| 22:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | brb (or not) |
| 22:28.37 | PathagenX | rofl yea #gnomevskde |
| 22:28.42 | ryushe | doing a netstat -l just tells me there is indeed something listening on *:www, but that's it, no info on what it might be :( |
| 22:29.07 | \amethyst | ryushe: run it was root with -p |
| 22:29.28 | abrotman | xsdg: #xorg ? #freedesktop ? |
| 22:29.33 | \amethyst | ryushe: -p lists the process ID that's using it, but it only works if you are root or the user that has the port open |
| 22:29.49 | ryushe | holy shit: tcp 0 0 *:www *:* LISTEN 1225/bash |
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| 22:29.51 | Vorbote | CutMeOwnThroat: You could try testing your hal setup with the script at http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-debug.html |
| 22:30.01 | ryushe | looks like I've been had :( |
| 22:30.02 | xsdg | abrotman: #freedesktop works; thanks |
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| 22:31.04 | FenrirReturns | abrotman: Thanks, that seemed to do the trick, I can aplay and use a mixer as root, I'll logout and log back in later. I thought the debian installer used to add the user to the audio,print,etc.. groups by default? |
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| 22:31.39 | abrotman | FenrirReturns: i can't recall |
| 22:31.58 | ryushe | ok, is there a way to determine where the actual bash process lives? |
| 22:31.58 | Vorbote | FenrirReturns: in fact it does not... :-( |
| 22:32.36 | PathagenX | bash proccess lives? |
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| 22:32.42 | Vorbote | ryushe: lsof |
| 22:33.05 | PathagenX | and then which <file> |
| 22:33.27 | FenrirReturns | Vorbote: Odd, I never remember having to add the inital users to the groups, I could swear the inital users belonged to a bunch of groups. Oh well, at least it works now :) |
| 22:33.52 | ryushe | well, I guess I've been hacked then. Bash lives at "/dev/shm/mc-root/bash" in my case or so it seems :( |
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| 22:34.11 | ryushe | and this 'bash' process is claiming port 80 :/ |
| 22:34.22 | Vorbote | FenrirReturns: I guess that's a regression in recent installers. The sid installer does have that inconvenience. |
| 22:34.34 | PathagenX | FenrirReturns, I had a slight problem when I did not add my user account to wheel |
| 22:35.28 | PathagenX | The netinstall CD was a piece of junk but the business card ver was brilliant. |
| 22:35.34 | Vorbote | ryushe: You've been cracked, hacks is what we do to fix our systems and have them do what we want. ;-) |
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| 22:37.06 | ryushe | cracked it is then. question is, how do I fix this? :(( |
| 22:37.14 | ryushe | man, this pisses me off :( |
| 22:37.15 | Throat | oh yeah, so it is reproducible |
| 22:37.22 | stew | ryushe: reinstall |
| 22:37.30 | abrotman | take the system offline |
| 22:37.51 | ryushe | I can't. I live aprrox 7500 miles away from the thing :/ |
| 22:38.24 | ryushe | I just run my own server in some datacenter on the side, left it there when I moved countries. never imagined I'd have to do something like this :( |
| 22:38.33 | PathagenX | would have payed to make it less vulnerable then. |
| 22:38.41 | stew | ryushe: ask someone in the datacenter to reinstall it then |
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| 22:39.34 | ryushe | it would seem so, although I thought I had that covered. Minimal services listening, only 2 open ports etc etc, with shell access only for one user from one specific IP. Seems that was not enough |
| 22:39.45 | PathagenX | There are a number of good reasons why Apache and SSH have been updated numerous times. |
| 22:39.57 | PathagenX | Those reasons are called vulnerabilaties. |
| 22:40.04 | ryushe | which is why I update my machine on a daily basis |
| 22:40.24 | PathagenX | why would you update on a dayly basis? |
| 22:40.49 | stew | apache vulnerabilities are quite a rarity |
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| 22:41.12 | ryushe | I seem to get updates via apt-get update on a daily basis and it seems like the right thing to do I guess. Maybe I was wrong |
| 22:41.29 | PathagenX | Do you look for packages in the repots that are older than your version installed or have you been fooled into thinking that there's an update every day? |
| 22:41.44 | stew | ryushe: you weren't wrong. you might want to subscribe to lists.debian.org/debian-security |
| 22:41.50 | zmitya | neoice, bw\_ : so I'm trying this: http://paste.debian.net/21641/ |
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| 22:42.06 | ryushe | at this time, that's a moot point. anyways. If I identify the offending files, remove them and reboot, what would you imagine might happen? |
| 22:42.12 | zmitya | so iproute does not allow me to add the second route somehow :( |
| 22:42.27 | m308 | does crontab keep a log of what it last run ? or is there a way to verify a crontab entry is valid ? |
| 22:42.30 | stew | ryushe: how did they get in the first time? what have they done since they got in? |
| 22:42.33 | Throat | ryushe, so what tells you you've been cracked now? |
| 22:42.40 | PathagenX | you would fix the effect but not the cause. |
| 22:42.49 | stew | it wouln't fix the effect |
| 22:43.08 | stew | well it would if he could really remove all the files, but there is no way to know that you have done that |
| 22:43.18 | ryushe | I found a directory /dev/shm/mc-root/ filled with files called bash, start, run, autostart and a few files with a long list of usernames and IP addresses |
| 22:43.53 | stew | ryushe: what are all the things they have changed on your system? |
| 22:43.55 | Throat | ryushe, ouch... yes, that seems kind of obvious |
| 22:44.19 | stew | ryushe: like, what else did they do besides put files into /dev/shm ? |
| 22:44.23 | PathagenX | you're not running apache in su mode, are you? |
| 22:44.32 | ryushe | stew, I have rkhunter running in the background as a hidden process, it claims there have been no changes to system files over the last week, however the files in /dev/shm/mc-root are no older than 12 hours |
| 22:44.38 | Throat | dustybin, happy? |
| 22:44.45 | stew | ryushe: that doesn't mean much |
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| 22:44.49 | ryushe | I know |
| 22:44.57 | ryushe | just saying ;) |
| 22:45.02 | stew | ryushe: what else did they change? |
| 22:45.17 | Throat | ryushe, any idea how they got in? |
| 22:45.27 | ryushe | nothing yet, besides claiming port 80 on my machine which is now being claimed by the bash process from that dir |
| 22:45.40 | stew | ryushe: how do you know that they didn't change anything else? |
| 22:45.46 | Throat | ryushe, and you had a web server running? |
| 22:46.03 | ryushe | stew: I don't know for sure of course. |
| 22:46.12 | ryushe | Throat: yeah, apache2 |
| 22:46.20 | stew | ryushe: right, and this is why you need to reinstall the box if you want it to be clean |
| 22:46.39 | ryushe | the files are indeed owned by www-data:www-data, so I'm guessing that's how they got in |
| 22:46.48 | Throat | ryushe, hm, if they just replace that by the bash thing without caring to be detected... well, looks like "bloody amateurs" kind of... |
| 22:47.02 | PathagenX | uhmm I googled /dev/shm/mc-root |
| 22:47.26 | ryushe | exactly, which is why I'm hoping they didn't bother changing anything else. from looking at some of the file contents, it seems its connecting to an IRC server somewhere |
| 22:47.31 | Throat | ryushe, or it was really just an automated thing running and no human broke in (yet) after all |
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| 22:47.44 | PathagenX | it's just some scripts to help in remote administration via SSH. |
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| 22:48.21 | ryushe | PathagenX: if it's the IBM article you found, I looked at it, had no similarities from what I'm seeing, besides the name |
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| 22:49.29 | ryushe | say I assume the guys are amateurs and have removed the files they put there, and reboot, what might happen? (besides the obvious fact that I'll really have to check how they got in in the first place) |
| 22:49.37 | Agiofws | is anyone using bitlbee here ? |
| 22:49.46 | PathagenX | not atm but I do often |
| 22:49.52 | PathagenX | it's gooooood. |
| 22:50.03 | Throat | ryushe, what's the reboot-bit supposed to do there |
| 22:50.08 | PathagenX | ryushe: Can you reboot the remote machine? |
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| 22:50.26 | ryushe | PathagenX: yes I can. |
| 22:50.46 | ryushe | Throat: I was hoping it would then come back up and start my services again, as I seem unable to kill that bash service of theirs |
| 22:50.47 | PathagenX | Do so. See if the service starts up at boot |
| 22:51.05 | Throat | ryushe, oh, what happens if you're killing it, then? |
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| 22:51.27 | PathagenX | Throat, that's not something that will help in any fashion. |
| 22:51.31 | Throat | ryushe, some of the more devious backdoors are kernel-modules or kernel modifications, though... |
| 22:51.32 | Agiofws | PathagenX, ... |
| 22:51.33 | ryushe | tbh, I haven't found how to kill it yet. I can't find a process ID for it |
| 22:51.39 | Agiofws | you se bitlbee ? |
| 22:51.43 | Agiofws | use* |
| 22:51.45 | PathagenX | Yes |
| 22:51.49 | Agiofws | you se bitlbee + msn ? |
| 22:51.57 | Throat | PathagenX, what is? I didn't suggest anything but asked questions... |
| 22:52.02 | Agiofws | use* ? |
| 22:52.03 | ryushe | Throat: I run module-less, ie. I have no modules at all. Everything for this machine is in the kernel |
| 22:52.10 | PathagenX | killing the service |
| 22:52.17 | PathagenX | hold on Agio, I will check |
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| 22:52.36 | Agiofws | do you connect to msn network useing bitlbee ? |
| 22:52.38 | Throat | ryushe, wow, that should be quite helpful in this case - never thought there would be a good reason for not-modules... but there it is |
| 22:52.40 | Agiofws | anyone ? |
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| 22:52.54 | Throat | PathagenX, of course it would be helpful, the service would stop running |
| 22:53.13 | Throat | PathagenX, are you preparing for some type of tick question or what? |
| 22:53.48 | PathagenX | Agiofws, I can't even connect to im.bitlbee.org atm |
| 22:53.56 | PathagenX | Something's not happy there |
| 22:54.02 | Throat | PathagenX, what did the logfiles tell you so far? |
| 22:54.13 | ryushe | seems I'm connected to a bunch of undernet IRC servers atm |
| 22:54.45 | PathagenX | oh fun |
| 22:55.07 | Agiofws | lol |
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| 22:55.08 | Agiofws | PathagenX, you dont have to you can run it locally |
| 22:55.08 | ryushe | can I assume the PID I see using lsof is the actual running PID? Thing is, it's running as PID 1225, which seems awefully low |
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| 22:55.23 | Agiofws | and connect o msn straight from your machine |
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| 22:55.25 | petemc | you cant assume anything, in your current predicament |
| 22:55.27 | PathagenX | oh I do not run as server, only as a basic client |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | ryushe: you can't assume anything |
| 22:55.30 | stew | ryushe: pid's recycle, it being low doesn't mean much |
| 22:55.36 | ryushe | ok |
| 22:55.36 | Throat | PathagenX, hm - actually the most interesting thing would be to look at the files you found - if it's got a long list of IPs it's probably trying the same exploit on other machines in a worm-like fashion |
| 22:55.37 | PathagenX | sorry that I can't help you |
| 22:55.47 | Throat | ops |
| 22:56.01 | Throat | meant ryushe, not PathagenX up there |
| 22:56.01 | PathagenX | Why are you telling me this, Throat? |
| 22:56.07 | PathagenX | lawlz |
| 22:56.11 | ryushe | Throat: I tarred them and transferred them offsite 10 min ago, just to have a look at them |
| 22:56.20 | stew | ryushe: you can't assume that lsof is not lying, since you don't know what the pepole that broke into your machine did |
| 22:56.22 | ryushe | maybe find out what they used to get in |
| 22:56.26 | Throat | PathagenX, I have no clue... P and r are not even close on my kbd :) |
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| 22:56.48 | dustybin | anybody here had any experience with linux RAID? is it pretty stable to use? |
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| 22:57.17 | ryushe | that's it, I'm going to reboot then. Let's see what happens |
| 22:57.18 | Throat | dustybin, dead is stable... |
| 22:57.25 | PathagenX | ryushe, I think the immediate need is to find out where the proccesses are being intialized at boot, stop them and reboot. |
| 22:57.25 | Throat | ryushe, why? |
| 22:57.37 | dustybin | Throat: dead stable? |
| 22:57.37 | PathagenX | I told you to do that ten minutes ago. |
| 22:57.41 | arrenlex | Is there a way to make ssh login accept a different password than what is used locally? |
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| 22:58.35 | PathagenX | Throat: The first thing ryushe needs to do is find out if and where the crap is being started at boot and stop that from happening. |
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| 22:58.54 | ryushe | PathagenX: any suggestions on how I could find that out? |
| 22:59.01 | Throat | PathagenX, who says it was/is started at reboot... |
| 22:59.07 | PathagenX | have you rebooted yet? |
| 22:59.15 | Throat | ryushe, what was the problem with killing the process? |
| 22:59.28 | aguitel | anyway to install debian with live cd ? |
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| 22:59.48 | PathagenX | aguitel, use net install or business card |
| 22:59.50 | ryushe | I'm worried that if I kill the bash process and they're hiding behind the actual bash process, I have no access to the machine anymore |
| 23:00.09 | Throat | "they're hiding"? |
| 23:00.15 | ryushe | if they are, I don't know |
| 23:00.27 | Throat | what's that mean |
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| 23:00.34 | PathagenX | and killing anything will not help anyway, even if it didn't lock ryushe out of his machine. |
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| 23:00.49 | Throat | PathagenX, it will not? |
| 23:00.53 | Throat | PathagenX, you don't make sense |
| 23:01.06 | ryushe | I'm just saying, that IF they are, I would remove my remote access if/when I try to kill the bash process I would think |
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| 23:01.14 | Throat | there are very few things that you cannot do on a running system that a reboot fixes |
| 23:01.19 | Agiofws | PathagenX, that way you dont send you msn pass on another machine before logging in |
| 23:01.23 | PathagenX | No, it's like having the bubonic plague and trying to cure yourself by cutting out the huge blue whelts. |
| 23:01.27 | Throat | a stuck kernel-module waiting for a device is one of them... |
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| 23:01.38 | Agiofws | PathagenX, my question is that is there a way of changing your NICK to Away on bitlbee while connecting to msn via bitlbee ? |
| 23:01.47 | Throat | PathagenX, that's just a stupid comparison, we're talking about computers here |
| 23:02.07 | stew | aguitel: debian-live includes a debian-installer, if that is what you are asking |
| 23:02.09 | Throat | ... and rebooting is for windows |
| 23:02.16 | PathagenX | changing your name? not sure. But if you use the irc /away command it does represent that on the other accounts. |
| 23:02.58 | Throat | and a reboot will e.g. remove dmesg messages that might have been important |
| 23:03.46 | Throat | or if they DID mess in the boot process and are amateurs, they might have messed it up good enough so that e.g. sshd doesn't come up again |
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| 23:03.56 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 23:04.11 | DukeDrake | just finished dist-upgrade to etch |
| 23:04.21 | DukeDrake | But still have to migrate to udev ... o.o |
| 23:04.23 | Throat | or they exchanged the kernel against a hacked one that will hide their processes completely |
| 23:04.23 | ryushe | the machine is down, waiting for it to come back up (if it does) |
| 23:04.29 | DukeDrake | how do I do that? |
| 23:04.31 | PathagenX | I understand that. But like I said: Getting the service offline asap is the most important thing first. and a brutal kill is likely to cause some problems. |
| 23:04.41 | stew | DukeDrake: "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" for the recommended procedure |
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| 23:05.10 | Throat | PathagenX, so shutting down the computer which kills the process is less "brutal" than just killing the process? |
| 23:05.15 | DukeDrake | stew: well, I'm doing exactly that |
| 23:05.15 | ryushe | woo, it's back up |
| 23:05.32 | DukeDrake | but the tutorial only says I have to convert to udev, but not how o.o' |
| 23:05.34 | petemc | i wouldnt start celebrating just yet |
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| 23:05.49 | stew | DukeDrake: when you install the etch kernel, you should end up pulling in udev with it |
| 23:05.55 | ryushe | I know, but still, just happy it's up, now let's try accessing it |
| 23:06.07 | scientes | how do i install a ix86 package on a x64 machine? |
| 23:06.08 | ryushe | apache is back up too |
| 23:06.08 | abrotman | i think you already did that if you iknow it's up |
| 23:06.09 | Throat | ryushe, can't you pull in the whole system from backups before this happened? |
| 23:06.13 | aguitel | PathagenX, i am old fart ubuntu user ,how i do that ? |
| 23:06.33 | stew | aguitel: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:06.54 | PathagenX | aguitel, pardon? |
| 23:07.11 | DukeDrake | stew: it's not about the package, it's about how to configure udev ...? |
| 23:07.31 | scientes | whats the danger of useing --force-architecture? |
| 23:07.33 | aguitel | PathagenX, how install with netinstall? |
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| 23:07.35 | stew | DukeDrake: it shouldn't require anything but the default configuration. |
| 23:07.44 | PathagenX | Ohhh |
| 23:07.46 | DukeDrake | ok o.o' |
| 23:07.47 | Throat | DukeDrake, if you're lucky, its configured |
| 23:07.59 | DukeDrake | what about /etc/fstab etc? |
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| 23:08.04 | stew | scientes: what are you trying to install? |
| 23:08.04 | PathagenX | download and burn a netinstall your business card sized iso, burn it and run it |
| 23:08.08 | Throat | DukeDrake, not every udev needs your manual interaction :) |
| 23:08.09 | DukeDrake | And how does udev work, anyhow? |
| 23:08.10 | scientes | flash 10 |
| 23:08.16 | scientes | for my firefox 32 |
| 23:08.25 | abrotman | in etch? |
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| 23:08.47 | scientes | i downloaded the firefox 32 from mozilla |
| 23:08.54 | ryushe | all services are running normally again |
| 23:09.09 | DukeDrake | fstab currently reads "/dev/hda1 /" .... |
| 23:09.34 | Throat | PathagenX, did you answer and I missed it? Also, I'd say it's not a thing of such great hurry to stop the process - if it's been running for e.g. 2 days now or more, another 2 hours won't increase the damage much |
| 23:09.40 | arrenlex | Is there a way to make ssh login accept a different password than what is used locally? |
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| 23:10.19 | charlie- | I'm getting an error about crti.o missing, is there a way to figure out which package contains that? |
| 23:10.36 | Throat | arrenlex, sure, like, you could write your own sshd or mess a lot with pam and so on -but as for a simple way: no, I don't think so |
| 23:10.36 | DukeDrake | I don't want to restart and not be able to mount '/', because there is noch /dev/hda1 ... |
| 23:10.43 | DukeDrake | how do I convert it to udev? |
| 23:10.58 | DukeDrake | -ch |
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| 23:12.21 | Throat | "not able to mount /"? and how's the system running, then? |
| 23:12.41 | DukeDrake | Throat: I didn't reboot since dist-upgrade. |
| 23:12.43 | Throat | oh, ok |
| 23:12.48 | PathagenX | DukeDrake, is there a /dev/sda1 |
| 23:14.13 | Throat | DukeDrake, there is /dev/hda with udev nontheless (or /dev/sda) |
| 23:14.27 | DukeDrake | Ok, I understand no one else knows either how udev works? |
| 23:14.39 | Throat | DukeDrake, and if it changed from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1 you can always supply a new root from the boot console |
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| 23:15.34 | Vorbote | DukeDrake: change the device files for UUIDs in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:15.38 | charlie- | anyone know where I can find crti.o? |
| 23:16.08 | DukeDrake | Throat: hm .. not in my case o.o |
| 23:16.11 | Throat | !tell charlie about search |
| 23:16.17 | DukeDrake | Or maybe they are created at boot time? |
| 23:16.18 | Throat | charlie-, but I can't see it |
| 23:16.27 | Canaris_ | charlie-, update db, then locate XXXXX |
| 23:16.43 | Throat | DukeDrake, yes, udev works by creating the interfaces in /dev/ as needed... |
| 23:16.53 | charlie- | Canaris_: I know that, I need to figure out what package contains it so I can install it |
| 23:17.02 | abrotman | updatedb .. one word |
| 23:17.04 | DukeDrake | Vorbote: what's a UUID? |
| 23:17.06 | abrotman | !tell charlie- about apt-file |
| 23:17.22 | Canaris_ | charlie-, then use apt-file |
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| 23:17.37 | Throat | abrotman, already did that, actually... he'll just need to figure out to read it :) |
| 23:17.40 | Canaris_ | charlie-, i am not sure which command exactly but google or manpage will help |
| 23:17.49 | abrotman | !apt-file |
| 23:17.49 | dpkg | well, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 23:17.50 | Throat | charlie-, read the messages from dpkg |
| 23:17.54 | Vorbote | DukeDrake: A hash number with a low probability of collision assigned to a file system at creation time. |
| 23:17.59 | charlie- | libc6-dev |
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| 23:18.33 | DukeDrake | hmm ... I guess my connection lags? |
| 23:18.35 | charlie- | I must have forgotten to install build-essential on this slave |
| 23:18.37 | DukeDrake | ping? |
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| 23:18.48 | charlie- | varnish works now, yay |
| 23:18.49 | Throat | ryushe, so what's happening? |
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| 23:19.35 | Vorbote | DukeDrake: it is written to the superblock. You can read it with "vol_id -u /dev/devicename". Mind you vol_id may be available in /lib/udev/vol_id only in your system. Sid does have it in /sbin |
| 23:20.25 | ryushe | everything is running as it should, no sign of offending process still being there. file checksums against week old copies all check out, so I'm thinking they never even changed those, and this was all just a scriptkiddie thing. |
| 23:20.27 | ryushe | All the files they seem to have placed on my machine are no longer present either |
| 23:20.49 | Vorbote | DukeDrake: Then you replace the /dev/devicename doohickeys in fstab and menu.list with "UUID=blah" This makes the transition from old ide to libata pata drivers easiers. |
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| 23:21.06 | DukeDrake | I see |
| 23:21.19 | Throat | ryushe, now the only problem is that they can come back in via the same vulnerability any time |
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| 23:21.27 | DukeDrake | needs to run his drive in pio mode anyway >.<< |
| 23:21.31 | ryushe | now all I need to do is figure out how they got in in the first place and fix that hole if I can. Besides obviously getting someone from the datacenter to possibly reinstall it soonish |
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| 23:23.10 | ryushe | I'm assuming as the files they placed on the system were owned by www-data:www-data that they abused either a flaw in apache or there's something webbased running that's not as secure as it should be |
| 23:23.32 | Throat | flaws in core-apache are rather rare |
| 23:23.36 | Vorbote | ryushe: something involving php and mysql probably |
| 23:23.47 | ryushe | gonna have a look now through my access logs for apache to see if that might give me any clues |
| 23:23.49 | DukeDrake | no vol_id in /lib/udev/ anway. The only file residing there is "check_driver" |
| 23:24.00 | dustybin | im thinking about buying 2 x SATA controller cards, each with 4 ports, will be fitted to standard PCI slots. I will connect 6x 1TB SATA drives, and use linux software RAID 5 configuration. Can one see any problems with this setup? |
| 23:24.04 | Throat | but it could be one of the modules .... or if you have some cgi-bin script things installed, they're often open like a barn |
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| 23:24.38 | pipeline | dustybin: what will you boot off of ? |
| 23:24.49 | Jester45 | dustybin pci is rather low for that many disc |
| 23:24.51 | dustybin | pipeline: i will boot into RAID 1, will mirror the OS |
| 23:24.53 | dustybin | disk |
| 23:24.55 | ryushe | only cgi stuff I have running are two graphing tools based on rrd, to graph webserver usage and db usage |
| 23:24.57 | Jester45 | pci i/o* |
| 23:25.03 | ryushe | and both of those are in protected dirs |
| 23:25.09 | Vorbote | DukeDrake: if you use ext you can obtain the UUIDs by running "tune2fs -l" on your partition device files. |
| 23:25.32 | dustybin | Jester45: do you think i would be better off using pci-e / pci-x instead for the controllers? |
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| 23:26.09 | Vorbote | DukeDrake: other place to find the information is /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 23:26.44 | Jester45 | pcie if your board/budget supports it |
| 23:26.45 | ryushe | how would one get filesystem access though if there are no file upload forms present on anything webbased being provided nor any un-sanitzed data entry forms? (just curious, please don't flame for trying to learn) |
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| 23:27.21 | lethargik | hey guys, whats the command to list open ports on my machine? |
| 23:27.28 | acidslep | netstat :P |
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| 23:27.31 | Jester45 | netstat |
| 23:28.16 | acidslep | probably netstat --protocall=inet |
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| 23:29.05 | lethargik | that works |
| 23:30.16 | Elite | Hey guys, I have a debian install on my network here, its ina a VM (VirtualBox) how do I make it so that it can connect to the rest of the PC's on my network? |
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| 23:39.17 | Jester45 | elite |
| 23:39.25 | roe_ | I have a cups server configured, and I can print to it from OOo and text edit and the like, but not from iceweasel |
| 23:40.08 | Jester45 | Elite it should be able to connect to them but for them to connect back to you, you might need to change the\networking |
| 23:40.18 | Jester45 | the networking to bridge* |
| 23:41.57 | Throat | roe_, select the correct printer? |
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| 23:45.43 | roe_ | Throat, the print button is greyed out |
| 23:45.46 | roe_ | only in iceweasel |
| 23:45.57 | roe_ | when the "correct" printer is highlighted |
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| 23:51.28 | Throat | roe_, what does it say for the correct printer |
| 23:51.44 | roe_ | what does that mean "correct printer" |
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| 23:51.59 | Throat | what's it called |
| 23:52.09 | ADREAL | turk varmi burda??? |
| 23:52.11 | ADREAL | turk varmi burda??? |
| 23:52.25 | roe_ | I highlight the printer I want to print to, it happens to be named livingroom, and the print button is greyed out |
| 23:52.43 | abrotman | ADREAL: which language? Turkish ? |
| 23:52.53 | roe_ | only in iceweasel |
| 23:52.58 | abrotman | guesses not ... |
| 23:53.52 | Throat | hm, is called something like... moment, don'T have a printer here |
| 23:54.24 | roe_ | I can call it whatever you want. You name it when you install the printer on the cups server |
| 23:54.57 | Throat | no, it calls it something like someprinter via cups or somesuch in my iceweasel |
| 23:55.10 | Throat | but I really don't see why anything should be grayed out |
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| 23:55.49 | themill | Is print.postscript.cups.enabled == true in about:config? |
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| 23:56.05 | roe_ | my print dialog just has headings of "printer" "location" and "status" printer = livingroom, location = closet, status = blank |
| 23:56.25 | richardus | the latest libapache2-mod-perl2 update in testing had deps on apache2, i have apache2-mpm-prefork installed, can the two packages work together? |
| 23:56.54 | roe_ | themill, I don't have that option in my about.config |
| 23:57.37 | Throat | gah, connection is to slow to start firefox on the remote machine |
| 23:58.33 | Throat | roe_, actually - if I click on "properties" for the printer here, it shows a line with the lpr command it's running |
| 23:58.40 | Throat | do you have "lpr" on the system? |
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| 23:58.52 | Throat | does it show you something when you click properties? |
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| 23:59.50 | roe_ | Throat, where is this properties button? |
