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| 00:00.30 | Throat | file->print on the right-hand-side to the printers selection |
| 00:01.00 | roe_ | no properties button there |
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| 00:02.18 | Throat | perhaps it's mosaic :) |
| 00:02.51 | roe_ | mosaic? |
| 00:04.15 | Throat | webbrowser from when the web was young |
| 00:04.40 | DukeDrake | I finished dist-upgrade and rebooted... and the booting stops with the message |
| 00:04.42 | DukeDrake | "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" |
| 00:04.47 | DukeDrake | and no login prompt |
| 00:04.51 | DukeDrake | what can I do? |
| 00:04.51 | roe_ | so, just being cute? |
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| 00:05.14 | Throat | roe_, well, seems you're running something else than what themill and I run |
| 00:05.26 | roe_ | I am running debian lenny |
| 00:05.33 | Throat | if there are similarities, we've not run into them yet |
| 00:05.39 | Throat | so this is iceweasel 3? |
| 00:05.45 | roe_ | 3.03 |
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| 00:08.07 | Throat | roe_, do you have the cupsys-bsd package? |
| 00:08.22 | toolz | which is the stablest debian net-install cd |
| 00:08.26 | roe_ | ii cupsys-bsd 1.3.8-1lenny2 |
| 00:08.28 | toolz | I'd like to swith to debian |
| 00:08.30 | Throat | if not, install that and see... afaik that provides the lpr |
| 00:08.33 | Throat | hm |
| 00:08.40 | toolz | switch |
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| 00:08.56 | themill | dpkg: tell toolz about netinst |
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| 00:09.26 | Elite | Hey guys, I have VirtualBox running a Debian etch machine, and when I use it on my laptop the mouse jumps around, anyone know why? |
| 00:09.44 | Throat | roe_, hm, I rally dunno - when all's said and done iceweasel prints (or can print) via lpr |
| 00:09.53 | Throat | roe_, does any printer entry work? |
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| 00:10.25 | roe_ | I only have the one printer, and that printer works fine in most other gnome apps |
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| 00:13.02 | jelly-home | roe_: which debian release, lenny? |
| 00:13.10 | roe_ | aye |
| 00:13.16 | roe_ | it looks like text edit also can't print |
| 00:13.23 | roe_ | so it might be that gnome can't print? |
| 00:13.30 | jelly-home | roe_: is xprint installed? |
| 00:13.42 | jelly-home | iceweasel is not a part of gnome |
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| 00:13.44 | roe_ | ii xprint 2:1.4.2-7 |
| 00:13.49 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 00:14.14 | themill | gave up on iceweasel printing and now uses kprinter to handle it |
| 00:14.26 | Throat | uh |
| 00:14.30 | roe_ | OOo *can* print, text edit can't, iceweasel can't, icedove *can* print |
| 00:14.35 | Throat | I really never had any trouble with iceweasel printing |
| 00:14.42 | Throat | or if I had, I don't remember it anymore |
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| 00:15.30 | themill | Throat: it always seemed to have a different idea about what the default printer should be and never remembered duplexing settings properly for me. |
| 00:15.33 | PetoKraus | hello, is there a way how i could generate identical debian kernel, the only thing i want to change is timer frequency? |
| 00:15.48 | PetoKraus | i mean, i'd do so, but the stock kernel .config is somewhere... |
| 00:16.04 | themill | PetoKraus: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 00:16.12 | PetoKraus | ah, good one! |
| 00:16.29 | PetoKraus | and i think there was a "debian way" of making kernel |
| 00:16.38 | Orion_X11 | I have a printing problem with epiphany wb. It do not find my printer |
| 00:16.39 | Throat | roe_, I have things like this in my prefs.js http://rafb.net/p/kG80ef38.html |
| 00:16.45 | themill | dpkg: tell PetoKraus about kp mantra |
| 00:17.02 | DukeDrake | I finished dist-upgrade and rebooted... and the booting stops with the message |
| 00:17.05 | DukeDrake | "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" |
| 00:17.08 | Orion_X11 | In fact. I hangs :-( |
| 00:17.09 | DukeDrake | and no login prompt |
| 00:17.11 | Throat | themill, I set up a separate printer for duplex - so I have a cups printer "nw" and a duplex printer "nwd" |
| 00:17.12 | DukeDrake | what can I do? |
| 00:17.24 | themill | PetoKraus: actually, you'll want "/msg dpkg kernel package" too |
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| 00:18.44 | roe_ | Throat, I have lots of that stuff too |
| 00:18.56 | Throat | roe_, but for me, it works... :) |
| 00:19.05 | Throat | roe_, what about the lpr line? |
| 00:19.23 | roe_ | print_command", "lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+-P\"$MOZ_PRINTER_NAME\"}"); |
| 00:19.30 | roe_ | that one? |
| 00:19.36 | Throat | yeah |
| 00:19.40 | roe_ | yup |
| 00:19.49 | Throat | that's just saying it's using lpr in the end... |
| 00:19.57 | Throat | so we wonder what all the fuss was about |
| 00:20.09 | Throat | can you print-to-file? |
| 00:20.12 | roe_ | yes |
| 00:20.31 | DukeDrake | "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" - anyone??? |
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| 00:21.08 | Throat | DukeDrake, look before that - if you already suspect that your root device changed... |
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| 00:21.18 | Throat | DukeDrake, then that's the most likely |
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| 00:22.06 | DukeDrake | "That the root device changed" ? |
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| 00:23.24 | Throat | DukeDrake, /join #debian-offtopic |
| 00:23.27 | Throat | argh |
| 00:23.28 | Throat | sorry |
| 00:23.31 | Throat | that join was for me |
| 00:23.33 | DukeDrake | o.o |
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| 00:25.16 | Throat | DukeDrake, wanted to say look for what your disks are mapped at - you said you switched to udev... maybe they're sda instead of hda now |
| 00:25.26 | Throat | DukeDrake, but the boot-blubb should tell you what the disks become |
| 00:25.50 | Throat | DukeDrake, you can then give a boot option like root=/dev/sda1 to grub/lilo which tells the kernel what to mount on / |
| 00:26.15 | Throat | DukeDrake, then you can as root edit the fstab and fix it up to also reflec the change |
| 00:26.19 | DukeDrake | ah |
| 00:26.39 | DukeDrake | it can't find soem programs ... |
| 00:26.44 | DukeDrake | during boot |
| 00:26.49 | DukeDrake | like 'find' |
| 00:27.53 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 00:27.53 | bbelt16ag | um for some reason I can't get my network interfaces to reload, I am trying to get hosts.deny to be read by network card, |
| 00:27.53 | bbelt16ag | root@gabriel:~# /etc/init.d/networking force-reload |
| 00:27.54 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:29.45 | Throat | buy-buy |
| 00:29.46 | DukeDrake | Throat: but I seriously don't understand why /dev/hda1 should change to /dev/sda1?? |
| 00:29.59 | DukeDrake | ide being scsi all of a sudden? |
| 00:30.06 | themill | DukeDrake: libata transitition |
| 00:30.13 | Throat | DukeDrake, because more things become handled by scsi emulation modules |
| 00:30.13 | DukeDrake | not using libata |
| 00:30.18 | DukeDrake | I see |
| 00:30.21 | DukeDrake | meh =) |
| 00:30.32 | Throat | DukeDrake, perhaps I'm wrong with this... |
| 00:30.41 | Throat | but it's as good a guess as I can give you |
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| 00:30.56 | DukeDrake | ok =) |
| 00:31.02 | Throat | (at least for me disks became sda instead of hda at some point on one machine) |
| 00:31.03 | DukeDrake | thanx a lot anyway!! =D |
| 00:31.28 | themill | dondelelcaro: given that the paster bot doesn't exist any more, can debhelper's kick message be changed? |
| 00:31.31 | Throat | look for a line like |
| 00:31.34 | Throat | [ 3.291573] sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk |
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| 00:32.15 | Throat | (or of course something with hda) |
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| 00:32.40 | Rascal999 | trying to get lifecam vx1000 installed on debian, any drivers? |
| 00:32.43 | Throat | DukeDrake, I guess you kept an old kernel around so you can still boot into that one? |
| 00:33.06 | DukeDrake | Throat: check ;) |
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| 00:33.24 | DukeDrake | 's doing that right now ^^ |
| 00:33.26 | gewt | what was the etchhalf tihng again? |
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| 00:33.53 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 00:33.53 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 00:34.30 | Throat | DukeDrake, then you could edit grub to use sda instead.... but still - 1st check what it says during boot-up, perhaps it's something else |
| 00:34.47 | Throat | that's what all the damn boot messages are for |
| 00:35.13 | DukeDrake | I just saw a "Mounted devfs on /dev" scrolling past while booting |
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| 00:35.18 | DukeDrake | should I be concerned? |
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| 00:36.01 | richo | i believe i read the wiki correctly, however to double check: installing xen-linux-system-KERNELNAME will basically set up my machine as a DomU yes? ie, habing installed it if i restart now al should be well? |
| 00:36.34 | DukeDrake | (Throat: unfortunately no bootloader available on this system ;) ) |
| 00:37.00 | petemc | richo: do you meran dom0 ? |
| 00:37.11 | petemc | s/ra/a/ |
| 00:37.21 | DukeDrake | Ok, I booted the old kernel. Still no login prompt but I can login via SSH |
| 00:37.24 | petemc | richo: if so, yes |
| 00:37.34 | richo | petemc: Dom0, yes, thanks very much. |
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| 00:37.50 | petemc | richo: i would double check the your grub config, just to be sure |
| 00:37.52 | Throat | huh, no console either? |
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| 00:38.22 | richo | petemc: i did check it to see that it was booting the xen stuff, more that i didn't have to edit config or anything. Machine is back up now, and is a Dom0. Thanks! |
| 00:38.34 | DukeDrake | Throat: the last message of boot console is the "no more processes left in this runlevel" |
| 00:38.58 | Throat | DukeDrake, but that's not a useful one... look at all the stuff happening before |
| 00:40.10 | gewt | found a dump of dpkg's factoids db D: |
| 00:40.11 | DukeDrake | Throat: no more errors there ... it's successfully starting all the deamons |
| 00:40.19 | DukeDrake | last one being crond |
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| 00:40.24 | Throat | it is? |
| 00:40.31 | DukeDrake | yes o.o |
| 00:40.33 | Throat | but then / got successfully mounted |
| 00:40.41 | themill | gewt: /msg dpkg search dpkg |
| 00:40.45 | DukeDrake | ok |
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| 00:41.08 | DukeDrake | last 'warning' is : "/etc/network/options is deprecated" |
| 00:41.12 | Throat | else, how could it start anything? |
| 00:41.16 | richardus | the latest libapache2-mod-perl2 update in testing had deps on apache2, i have apache2-mpm-prefork installed, can the two packages work together? |
| 00:41.38 | DukeDrake | Throat: that's right ... ok, at least we're getting somewhere ^^ |
| 00:41.53 | themill | richardus: have a look at the dependencies of the apache2 package |
| 00:42.15 | DukeDrake | Actually I still don't understand, what that message actually means: "no more processes left in this runlevel" - what processes? |
| 00:42.17 | Elite | How do I install ssh on debain? |
| 00:42.28 | abrotman | aptitude install openssh-server |
| 00:42.30 | themill | Elite: aptitude install ssh |
| 00:42.50 | gewt | or apt-get |
| 00:42.57 | gewt | but aptitude is ftw |
| 00:43.45 | Elite | On an offline server I guess I should say |
| 00:43.49 | DukeDrake | different question: how can I install the 'tun device'? |
| 00:44.05 | gewt | Elite, i think its no the CD |
| 00:44.08 | gewt | on* |
| 00:44.11 | abrotman | Elite: so you're going to install the ssh server to a machine that has no network access ? |
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| 00:44.51 | Throat | DukeDrake, oh - now I remember - "no more processes left in this runlevel" is actually a normal message when shutting down |
| 00:44.53 | Elite | abrotman, no it has network access not internet access |
| 00:45.19 | themill | Elite: you could look at something like apt-zip. /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 00:45.29 | Throat | DukeDrake, you have to look for much earlier messages - probably / can't be mounted and so the kernel decides to shut down - and I can't imagine that it manages to start any services |
| 00:45.47 | themill | Elite: But access to security updates is something else you're going to have to sort out some time soon anyway. |
| 00:45.55 | DukeDrake | Throat: I'm logged in via ssh now, so ... |
| 00:46.27 | Throat | not sure what you're doing there :) |
| 00:46.28 | DukeDrake | Throat: what a nice system I have which wants to shutdown as soon as it started ^^ |
| 00:46.50 | Throat | DukeDrake, well, gotta click on "start" to shut windows down... same thing |
| 00:46.59 | DukeDrake | lol =D |
| 00:47.40 | DukeDrake | INIT: Entering runlevel: 3 ... then starts all the demons ... last being crond. ... |
| 00:47.52 | Throat | then you're good |
| 00:48.14 | Elite | I have no need for the security updates since they are useless to an offline machine |
| 00:48.14 | DukeDrake | And if it can see that /etc/network/options is deprecated ... |
| 00:48.26 | abrotman | Elite: ah okay .. you could use a proxy server if that's doiable |
| 00:48.34 | Throat | only need to fix up something like nvidia modules... |
| 00:48.55 | neoice | how can I find out if a bug was ever actually fixed? |
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| 00:49.05 | abrotman | neoice: it should say in the bug |
| 00:49.08 | neoice | none of the bug reports (debian or kernel) are flagged as resolved. |
| 00:49.25 | themill | Elite: the machine is no a network and presumably also has users; security updates are still useful |
| 00:49.34 | themill | s/no/on/ |
| 00:49.42 | neoice | I think it was fixed in .27 though... just not in .24/.25 |
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| 00:50.02 | DukeDrake | how can I install the "tun device" needed for openvpn? |
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| 00:50.39 | DukeDrake | There ought to be a file 'tun' in /lib/modules/2.6..../kernel/drivers/net, but there isn't |
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| 00:51.46 | Elite | abrotman, what about a proxy server? |
| 00:51.58 | abrotman | something like apt-proxy |
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| 00:52.59 | Elite | Why? |
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| 00:55.03 | petemc | Elite: which kernel are you using, exactly? |
| 00:55.13 | abrotman | Elite: then you can have the machine get updates from the web via the proxy .. |
| 00:55.28 | petemc | oope, wrong person |
| 00:55.33 | abrotman | Elite: so things like aptitude install openssh-server would still work without finding CDs etc |
| 00:55.43 | petemc | DukeDrake: which kernel are you using, debian kernels should have tun |
| 00:56.27 | Elite | I have the cds :P |
| 00:56.44 | abrotman | up to you |
| 00:56.45 | Elite | petemc: why does that matter? |
| 00:56.56 | petemc | Elite: it doesnt, ignore me |
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| 00:57.09 | Elite | If I install samba do I want samba or samba-common? |
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| 00:59.53 | charlie- | Could a Debian Developer please update the Varnish package? It's *painfully* outdated |
| 01:00.09 | charlie- | Most of the features on the Varnish site don't even work in the version currently in the repos |
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| 01:01.37 | squeezeme | how do i add a shortcut to an application to the applications > graphics menu? |
| 01:02.06 | kingsley | Is there a live CD that cycles through various hardware tests automatically? |
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| 01:04.54 | Roenie | <squeezeme> how do i add a shortcut to an application to the applications > graphics menu? <-- see, that's what happens when a distro defaults to GNOME |
| 01:05.12 | petemc | eh? |
| 01:05.34 | squeezeme | actually, i installed just the core system, and got gnome later |
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| 01:06.12 | Roenie | i edited the gnome menu once, i did it through a config file somewhere |
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| 01:06.28 | Roenie | or whatever, i couldnt find a graphical way to edit it either |
| 01:06.29 | squeezeme | i just use X to browse the web... i really don't know nothing about it =\ |
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| 01:06.39 | Roenie | i use KDE, it's more configurable |
| 01:07.02 | Roenie | (i installed using the version of debian cd 1 that comes with kde instead) |
| 01:07.35 | squeezeme | i don't like it.. |
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| 01:08.05 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone please tell me how to install a certain version of a package ? |
| 01:08.05 | Roenie | well gl editing the menu |
| 01:08.12 | rocketmagnet | i need libtool 2.5 or something but have only 1.5.22 |
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| 01:09.02 | ryushe | rocketmagnet: Only 2 ways afaik: either find a .deb for the version you need and hope it installs ok. Or find the source and compile it yourself |
| 01:09.19 | XLV | squeezeme, install alacarte menu editor |
| 01:09.21 | squeezeme | thanks.. i think i finally found something |
| 01:09.28 | SouL-x | ayuada |
| 01:09.36 | SouL-x | no hablo ingles |
| 01:09.40 | squeezeme | exactly!! lol it just apperead here just before you said it |
| 01:09.50 | squeezeme | i was looking for smeg |
| 01:10.24 | rocketmagnet | ryushe: can apt-get show me all the versions available for a package, and then install only a certain version ? |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: apt-cache policy foo |
| 01:10.59 | rocketmagnet | and how to install a certain version ? |
| 01:11.13 | ryushe | well, you could install a deb you find online and then put a hold on it via dpkg I guess. |
| 01:11.35 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: man aptitude |
| 01:12.53 | Roenie | abrotman, risking that you'll say: roenie: man aptitude, i'm gonna say i expect to only be able to install a later version of an app because the repositories only keep one version? |
| 01:13.25 | abrotman | you can reference multiple repositories |
| 01:14.11 | Roenie | yeah but you can bet the hair on your butt that on squeezeme's system only the default ones will be added to the list |
| 01:14.25 | Roenie | same on mine |
| 01:14.37 | Roenie | i don't even know where to find repositories to use |
| 01:15.00 | pkcahier | does anyone see a way to arbitrarily limit the access speed of a process to the disk? |
| 01:15.15 | pkcahier | (like limit to 1MB/s read/write) |
| 01:16.48 | pkcahier | I have one io heavy process running permanently at ~1MB/s on an external usb disk(which is fine) but I also have a periodic process that does io heavy read every few minutes, and the load just jumps badly whenever that periodic process runs, causing all sorts of nasty lag. |
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| 01:18.11 | Akuw | hi |
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| 01:18.30 | Akuw | i need to know how to install mysql 4 and 5 with aptitude and apt-get |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | only mysql5 in etch and later |
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| 01:21.44 | DukeDrake | ok, how does mount work in 2.6 now? |
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| 01:22.10 | DukeDrake | it tells me "no medium found" when I try to mount /dev/sdb1 |
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| 01:24.47 | DukeDrake | ok, works now |
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| 01:27.28 | sylar | hi |
| 01:27.46 | sylar | sun JDK, where? |
| 01:27.51 | sylar | it is installed |
| 01:28.09 | sylar | but in /usr/bin/javac is IBM's compiler |
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| 01:29.55 | Jing | hi! |
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| 01:39.48 | metrix | I was thinking about it.. If you were to know what packages are installed on your Debian machine, and had a backup copy of you etc, home and important sections of the var directory you should be able to restore a debian machine without the need for a full blown backup.. are there any how to articles on how to do this? |
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| 01:42.20 | Akuw | i need to know how to install mysql 4 and 5 with aptitude and apt-get |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | only mysql5 in etch and later |
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| 01:45.02 | toolz | I have an important question, at least the answer is very important for me |
| 01:45.10 | toolz | does debian support atheros gbit lan cards? |
| 01:45.13 | toolz | attansic? |
| 01:45.40 | toolz | those piece of shit cards are not supported on freebsd, and most of my servers have atheros gigabit lan cards integrated |
| 01:45.53 | toolz | does debian support those nics? |
| 01:46.02 | Tramp | !debian clone |
| 01:46.02 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 01:46.17 | Tramp | metrix: like that^^ (module the restore of the other stuff) |
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| 01:48.07 | Jester45 | toolz im not sure about debian but i think gentoo does iirc |
| 01:48.28 | metrix | Tramp: yes! that's what I am looking for |
| 01:48.31 | metrix | thank you |
| 01:49.37 | Tramp | metrix: after you tested it fully, tell me the exact process 8) - I never actually did it, but that's how I expect to restore my machine as well, should I ever need to. |
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| 01:50.04 | Elite | Akuw: I kinda know how, its really not too hard |
| 01:50.05 | toolz | aleluia! it recognises it |
| 01:50.19 | DukeDrake | hm ...anyone know how I can install a new module without having to compile the whole kernel? |
| 01:50.24 | Akuw | i need the command |
| 01:50.33 | Akuw | aptitude install mysql ? |
| 01:50.51 | Akuw | or i need to specify version like aptitude install mysql5 |
| 01:51.04 | Akuw | or aptitude install mysql-server5 |
| 01:51.14 | Elite | apt-get install mysql5 |
| 01:51.18 | Tramp | !tell DukeDrake about m-a |
| 01:51.20 | Akuw | no |
| 01:51.27 | Akuw | i will use aptitude |
| 01:51.28 | Jester45 | Akuw try using the search function of apt to find the name of the package |
| 01:51.48 | DukeDrake | k, thanx |
| 01:52.28 | Akuw | and dependencies? |
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| 01:54.02 | abrotman | Akuw: i told you twice .. only mysql5 in debian now |
| 01:54.22 | Elite | How do I make my vm use the dhcp from my router? |
| 01:55.16 | Jester45 | Elite try using bridged connection |
| 01:55.48 | Elite | AKA? |
| 01:56.06 | Elite | NAT? |
| 01:56.43 | Jester45 | aka bridged... vbox might call it host interface |
| 01:57.52 | Elite | Do you use vbox? |
| 01:57.56 | Jester45 | http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=83 explains it a bit not sure if the guide works |
| 01:58.05 | Jester45 | no |
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| 02:06.00 | cyrus__ | whenever I run dpkg I get - failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 02:06.15 | cyrus__ | anyone know how I might fix this. Is status suppoe to be a file or directory |
| 02:06.20 | cyrus__ | can I just create an emtpy one |
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| 02:07.26 | TCW_ | hi folks |
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| 02:08.58 | TCW_ | no bit in the docs (online same as the one in debians README file), no luck with google... does one have some hints for search paterns for google for setting up an iscsi TARGET with linux / debian? |
| 02:09.05 | liable | cyrus__: did you delete it? |
| 02:09.21 | liable | cyrus__: you might have a status.old in that directory |
| 02:09.31 | cyrus__ | liable - no |
| 02:09.54 | cyrus__ | i am actually trying to install mamona-sdk which uses debootstrap |
| 02:10.06 | cyrus__ | and it is complaining when trying to add some packages |
| 02:10.09 | cyrus__ | and that was the error |
| 02:10.31 | TCW_ | Anything would help... I have NO glue about how to create an iscsi TARGET with linux... and I can't believe I could not find a bit with google... |
| 02:10.38 | TCW_ | clue even |
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| 02:13.45 | Akuw | to run a .pl script every hour what can i do? |
| 02:14.40 | cyrus__ | cron |
| 02:14.42 | cyrus__ | atd |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | use cron |
| 02:14.44 | cyrus__ | anacron |
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| 02:15.26 | mu-dev | at is for one-time, cron is for periodic |
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| 02:16.08 | karsten | mu-dev: and batch is for whenver the hell it happens to be I don't really care. |
| 02:16.27 | mu-dev | batches? |
| 02:16.43 | Akuw | i am trying to compile MySQL 5 but i got http://www.pastebin.ca/1258680 |
| 02:16.48 | karsten | Not in polite society. |
| 02:16.49 | Akuw | when i used make install |
| 02:16.50 | mu-dev | we don need no steenken batches... |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | Akuw: what is wrong with the mysql packages in etch ? |
| 02:17.21 | karsten | mu-dev: I don't got to show you no steenkin batches! |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | or in debian in general |
| 02:17.29 | Akuw | i just making a test |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | then go ask #mysql .. |
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| 02:24.59 | Administrador | ermo Rodriguez at recluta@telvista.com.mx and reference the Experimental Internet Marketing Project. |
| 02:25.14 | karsten | !ops Administrador txbye |
| 02:25.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: Administrador txbye |
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| 02:25.59 | K_Sakura | What. Was. That? |
| 02:26.05 | karsten | K_Sakura: Spam. |
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| 02:27.22 | K_Sakura | Was it spamming like that very long? |
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| 02:27.48 | karsten | K_Sakura: You can answer that question yourself. Scrollback is your friend. |
| 02:28.33 | mih | anyone used minicom and a parport, i get no response at all, any ideas what can be wrong, i obviously have loaded both 8250,parport and parport_pc module on both pc's and use same 9600 8n1 setting and soft,hw flow on, and setserial wont work as its only for serial devices? |
| 02:28.35 | K_Sakura | I entered at 18:41:42 and then it spammed at 18:41:54. |
| 02:29.04 | mih | i also tried parport to db9 connector without luck, db9 used to work on the machine |
| 02:29.18 | karsten | mih: See if you've got the right port specified. Minicom's pretty pain-free once you've got the port specified right. Are you running getty or what? |
| 02:29.28 | amphi | K_Sakura: your clock is wrong ;) |
| 02:29.30 | mih | no getty karsten |
| 02:29.39 | mih | and parport0 should be rather easy to set up right :) |
| 02:29.43 | mih | i got that on both pc's |
| 02:29.45 | K_Sakura | I know, its about 15 or so minutes fast for PST. |
| 02:29.47 | karsten | K_Sakura: Two posts. And your clock is off. |
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| 02:31.17 | mih | karsten: its two pc's connected directly together using 1m roline rs232 cable (parallel male cable both ends), and minicom with /dev/parport0 on both pcs with standard 8250 driver and parport,parport_pc modules loaded and 9600,8n1 on both pcs, softflow on,hwflow on |
| 02:31.37 | mih | is there a way to debug this? |
| 02:31.38 | karsten | mih: What are you tryin gto do w/ minicom? |
| 02:31.50 | f00li5h | meow |
| 02:31.59 | f00li5h | what do folks use for backups? |
| 02:32.02 | mih | i was trying to hook up a switch using parport to db9, but that didnt work so now i just want to hook up two pcs together to debug it |
| 02:32.12 | karsten | mih: I usually try echoing something at /dev/parport0 and catting it at the other end. |
| 02:32.23 | kunwon1 | f00li5h, back to #perl |
| 02:32.23 | mih | karsten: yes thats the problem, cant echo or cat parport0 dev |
| 02:32.32 | karsten | f00li5h: Praying, mostlhy. I recommend tar or rsync (tar for tape, rsync for remote disk). |
| 02:32.32 | K_Sakura | f00li5h: DVDs it data-mode. |
| 02:32.36 | f00li5h | kunwon1: NO U |
| 02:32.36 | karsten | mih: Perms? |
| 02:32.48 | mih | root@mlap:/home/michael# cat /dev/parport0 |
| 02:32.48 | mih | cat: /dev/parport0: Invalid argument |
| 02:32.48 | mih | root@mlap:/home/michael# echo 1 > /dev/parport0 |
| 02:32.48 | mih | bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument |
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| 02:32.57 | f00li5h | K_Sakura: how many disks? |
| 02:33.17 | f00li5h | K_Sakura: also, what do you use to put stuff on it |
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| 02:33.55 | karsten | f00li5h: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/backups.html |
| 02:33.59 | mih | seems like it is not a "normal device" my parport0 |
| 02:34.06 | mih | its the device created by "ppdev" module |
| 02:34.29 | toolz | how do I add ip aliases on debian |
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| 02:34.35 | toolz | more ips on one interface, on boot |
| 02:34.40 | mih | as soon as i load ppdev module the device gets created , any i get lots of errors like "ppdev0: claim the port first" in my dmesg on both pc's |
| 02:35.37 | Elite | is it possible to use the Remote desktop in windows on debain etch? |
| 02:35.39 | karsten | toolz: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz has examples |
| 02:35.49 | f00li5h | karsten: good point ;) |
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| 02:36.46 | Malf | Elite: Probably. Are you asking about remoting into windows from etch or into etch from windows? |
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| 02:37.00 | karsten | mih: Smells like a device problem. I haven't troubleshot parport in a while. |
| 02:37.12 | Elite | into etch from windows |
| 02:37.27 | Ian_Daniher|xo | I have a 160gb hdd mounted to /media/hdc1 |
| 02:38.15 | Tramp | toolz: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz has an exampel - though I'd try probably ip addr add ...2 |
| 02:38.17 | Ian_Daniher|xo | I'm trying to run a script which downloads files to that location and it works until df reports that "/" is 100% full, however, there is still plenty of space left |
| 02:38.27 | Tramp | toolz: ... ip addr add in a post-up command |
| 02:38.32 | Ian_Daniher|xo | ...on the external harddrive |
| 02:38.38 | Malf | Elite: take a look at xrdp. I think that does what you want |
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| 02:38.50 | Malf | Elite: Haven't tried it myself but it seems to fit the bill |
| 02:39.14 | Malf | Elite: I've always happened to VNC over an ssh tunnel instead |
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| 02:39.37 | toolz | Tramp, and will it load after reboot? |
| 02:39.44 | Elite | I don't have vnc |
| 02:40.04 | Tramp | toolz: yes |
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| 02:40.57 | toolz | Tramp, give me an example, please |
| 02:41.45 | karsten | toolz: ifconfig eth0:1 <ip> -netmask <netmask> up |
| 02:41.59 | Tramp | toolz: of what? |
| 02:42.10 | toolz | of adding an alias |
| 02:42.14 | toolz | another IP on the interface |
| 02:42.23 | Tramp | toolz: why don't you read the file I referenced? |
| 02:42.28 | karsten | Ian_Daniher|xo: / is full or some other device is full? What's |
| 02:42.34 | DukeDrake | cya |
| 02:42.37 | karsten | Ian_Daniher|xo: ... what's df -i tell you? |
| 02:43.18 | toolz | Tramp, I am not used with debian, how do I view the file |
| 02:43.29 | karsten | toolz: cat, less, more, pg, most |
| 02:43.37 | karsten | toolz: ... all command-line utilities. |
| 02:43.49 | Tramp | toolz: you don't know, how to view a file? well, in this case with zless. |
| 02:43.54 | Ian_Daniher|xo | df -i says 15%, df says 100% |
| 02:44.06 | karsten | Ian_Daniher|xo: Then you've got no free space. |
| 02:44.17 | Ian_Daniher|xo | karsten: how so? |
| 02:44.31 | karsten | Ian_Daniher|xo: Well, it's not free. So, it's used. |
| 02:44.36 | amphi | Ian_Daniher|xo: is the external drive mounted? |
| 02:44.45 | karsten | Ian_Daniher|xo: pastebin: 'df; df -i' |
| 02:45.53 | toolz | ok I got it thanks |
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| 02:48.01 | Ian_Daniher|xo | http://rafb.net/p/RcxFhx28.html |
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| 02:48.42 | GhostlyDeath | for indent, I can't find the parameter to put braces after struct, any suggestions? |
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| 02:49.14 | GhostlyDeath | I don't want "foo_t bar = {" |
| 02:49.22 | GhostlyDeath | I want "foo_t bar =\n{" |
| 02:49.23 | toolz | I geep getting unknown netmask |
| 02:49.27 | toolz | I use 255.255.255.128 |
| 02:49.30 | toolz | keep* |
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| 02:51.49 | Ian_Daniher|xo | karsten: http://rafb.net/p/RcxFhx28.html |
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| 02:54.58 | toolz | when i type: ifconfig eth1:1 ip.ip.ip.ip netmask 255.255.255.128 up |
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| 02:55.14 | toolz | and so on.. when I reboot will those aliases come up? |
| 02:55.27 | pkcahier | is there any default script where I can add firewall rules? |
| 02:55.34 | toolz | should I add those inside interfaces aswell, or? |
| 02:55.36 | pkcahier | (without having to resort to an iptables manager) |
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| 02:57.07 | phorce1 | Those of you running Lenny as Dom0/DomU virtuals, which VM packages are you using? I've been playing with Xen but I really need a walkthrough that works to get me started. The Debian Wiki is somewhat broken for a Xen walkthrough (broken links and example config files that don't exist etc.) |
| 02:57.57 | TCW_ | phorce1, why does the distro matter? |
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| 02:59.56 | phorce1 | TCW_: I want the machine to be as much all Debian as possible, and I want Lenny on the box. I'll be running one internal and one external facing web server and PostgreSQL |
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| 03:00.22 | phorce1 | TCW_: I'm comfortable inside a Debian environment. |
| 03:00.45 | TCW_ | phorce1, no no, you got me wrong... just use the debian packages, but take whatever documentation you can find and sort out the differences |
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| 03:01.31 | TCW_ | phorce1, me too... but I am comfortable with gentoo, redhat, slackware documentation as well to solve such generic issues |
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| 03:03.07 | w33d5 | i have two drives with many of the same files and wanted to use fdupes to remove dupes. QUESTION i only want to remove files from /media/disk2 and keep the files from /media/disk1 can someone help me with the command? |
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| 03:04.09 | phorce1 | TCW_: The d-i is supposed to be able to do "Xen from the get-go" for installing the DomU machines. But all the examples are missing. My brain keeps locking on creating the virtuals. Tempts me to use VMWare. I'm still at the "playing with it" stage and am looking for the easiest to set up solution. I still need to add RAM to the machine that this will be going on and break the raid stripe during a reinstall. |
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| 03:05.09 | TCW_ | phorce1, xen from withing d-i? |
| 03:05.14 | TCW_ | within |
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| 03:05.43 | phorce1 | TCW_: According to the Wiki, yes. But Joey's directory with the examples gives a 404 |
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| 03:06.36 | TCW_ | phorce1, then forget d-i for the moment, set up a debian box, apt-get the needed xen stuff, search some docs and go on :) |
| 03:06.52 | phorce1 | TCW_: Right now I just fiddle with the test machine when I need a break from editing packages in the screwed up web interface that I have to use for my DSL resale packages. |
| 03:06.56 | TCW_ | first, have a look in /usr/share/doc/xen* |
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| 03:07.18 | phao | can anyone tell me where I can find a sources.list file, a good one. |
| 03:07.20 | phao | ? |
| 03:07.29 | kingsley | How can I identify a PCI card whose ports resemble a sound card's, but which is invisible to the "lspci -v -v -v" command? |
| 03:07.31 | TCW_ | phao, bogus question |
| 03:07.33 | abrotman | !tell phao about sources.list |
| 03:07.39 | abrotman | !tell phao about apt-spy |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | !tell phao about mirrors |
| 03:08.10 | TCW_ | abrotman, thanks :) .oO( damn bots and their commands! :-P ) |
| 03:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | attacked by the bot... |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | .oP( damn people that think this is cute 0..jpPO |
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| 03:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( oooh, cute) :-P |
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| 03:09.41 | phorce1 | TCW_: The Xen kernel is already running and the tools are installed. I was just kind of hoping one of the many virtual servers out there was debianized to the point that hardware autodetection could handle a "virtual install 2 domU machines [ENTER]" <grin> |
| 03:10.18 | phorce1 | TCW_: the xm man page is giving me a headache |
| 03:10.59 | TCW_ | phorce1, it is _always_ better to understand the things you play with, that's why official documentation is so much better than any random howto floating around on the net |
| 03:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, for the full selection of possibilities /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
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| 03:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | likes the "oooh, shiny" bit |
| 03:11.57 | rsd | newbie question: is there a dkpg command on etch ? |
| 03:12.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | rsd, definitely |
| 03:12.18 | TCW_ | rsd, i hope not... but a "dpkg" one |
| 03:12.28 | TCW_ | CutMeOwnThroat, are you sure? :) |
| 03:12.31 | rsd | ouch |
| 03:12.42 | rsd | have being looking for a typo |
| 03:12.45 | rsd | thx |
| 03:12.48 | phorce1 | TCW_: My learning method is to install on a test machine as quickly as possible then "poke it until it breaks". Then dig in the docs to figure out how to fix it. Learning to use the docs to fix a broken system requires less total retention of data than trying to learn everything about every system I work on. |
| 03:12.51 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. |
| 03:13.35 | TCW_ | phorce1, you do not need to learn _everything_ about xen, at least I think so :) |
| 03:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW_, haha... sorry, but my internal spell checker removed it before it reached my brain |
| 03:14.07 | TCW_ | CutMeOwnThroat, hehe |
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| 03:14.17 | rsd | last one |
| 03:14.32 | rsd | whats the equivalent of rpm -qf <file> with dpkg? |
| 03:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( "ln -s /usr/bin/dpkg /usr/bin/dkpg" ) |
| 03:14.52 | abrotman | rsd: dpkg -S |
| 03:14.55 | rsd | to see thnx |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | !tell rsd about refcard |
| 03:14.58 | rsd | thnx |
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| 03:16.04 | phorce1 | thinks if you start a line with .oO you should probably end it with Oo.to complete the set |
| 03:16.14 | kunwon1 | msg dpkg refcard |
| 03:16.20 | kunwon1 | :o |
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| 03:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal kunwon1 |
| 03:18.39 | dpkg | points at kunwon1 and laughs hysterically |
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| 03:21.07 | kunwon1 | !lart CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:21.07 | dpkg | whips out a sword and chops CutMeOwnThroat in half |
| 03:21.22 | kunwon1 | You, sir, have been pwnt. |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | !marry CutMeOwnThroat kunwon1 |
| 03:22.06 | abrotman | oh .. they killed it .. oh well |
| 03:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so dexterously jumps aside, and the astonished bystanders see that it was kunwon1 who was cut in half. |
| 03:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal abrotman |
| 03:22.18 | dpkg | points at abrotman and laughs hysterically |
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| 03:24.17 | TCW_ | .oO( funny folks *g* ) |
| 03:24.47 | abrotman | .koi( stupid thought here) |
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| 03:25.38 | TCW_ | isn't "koi" a fish? |
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| 03:30.34 | EarLy | noob here. i'm trying to install the latest subversion of rtorrent but when i type "./autogen.sh" i get this, http://pastebin.ca/1258775 . can anyone help me get through this install process? |
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| 03:31.59 | amphi | EarLy: install libtool |
| 03:32.18 | toolz | I have added eth1:.. in interface |
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| 03:32.37 | tCzern | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.39 | toolz | but now eth1 or eth1:.. doeas not load at startup |
| 03:33.15 | amphi | toolz: try ifup eth1 and see what happens |
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| 03:33.29 | tCzern | does Debian come with an RT Kernel? Is this part of the install-ion options or would I need to modify this later on?Thanks! |
| 03:33.42 | tCzern | installation |
| 03:35.02 | EarLy | amphi: it's not letting me. http://pastebin.ca/1258781 |
| 03:36.18 | abrotman | that's why you don't mix versions of debian |
| 03:36.34 | amphi | EarLy: libtool, not libtoolize |
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| 03:37.53 | EarLy | amphi: i copied too far up. http://pastebin.ca/1258784 |
| 03:38.21 | PathagenX | yea. The Debian system is messy enough without you helping it to get confused. |
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| 03:39.05 | amphi | EarLy: ah, a well geb0rkt system? ;) |
| 03:39.22 | EarLy | amphi: ?? |
| 03:39.41 | PathagenX | The pros outweigh the cons. |
| 03:39.45 | amphi | how have you got it into this state? |
| 03:40.08 | EarLy | amphi: by trying to install rtorrent |
| 03:40.17 | toolz | amphi, there was a duplicated intercace, typo |
| 03:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, congratulations, you won an upgrade to lenny! |
| 03:41.06 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: how do i do that? |
| 03:41.41 | PathagenX | pointing your sources to lenny, instead of etch and doing a dist-upgrade |
| 03:42.10 | EarLy | so with lenny, i won't have this problem? |
| 03:42.29 | toolz | amphi, now everything if fine but only eth1 loads at boot time, why the other doesn't? |
| 03:42.33 | toolz | what should I do exactly? |
| 03:42.43 | toolz | others* |
| 03:43.13 | amphi | EarLy: so what branch of debian is this? |
| 03:43.39 | EarLy | amphi: etch |
| 03:43.41 | Tramp | toolz: did you add the eth1:* to "auto" in interfaces, as the example told you? |
| 03:43.45 | phorce1 | toolz: do you have the others ;isted in the "auto ethx" line? |
| 03:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, at least it looks to me as if you've mixed lenny and etch and have already installed the libc6 from lenny... |
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| 03:44.05 | phorce1 | s/;isted/listed/ |
| 03:44.11 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: so what should i do? |
| 03:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libc6 |
| 03:44.31 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-15 (lenny) 2.7-16 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental) |
| 03:44.47 | PathagenX | amphi, open a console, type su and type the root password as asked |
| 03:44.50 | TCW_ | judd is a bot too? |
| 03:44.51 | judd | TCW_: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 03:44.59 | TCW_ | yes it is :) |
| 03:45.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW_, now, it's my girlfriend! |
| 03:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/now/no/ |
| 03:45.10 | amphi | EarLy: so why does it want to install libc6-dev version 2.7-15 ? |
| 03:45.18 | PathagenX | amphi, open a console, type su and type the root password as asked |
| 03:45.19 | toolz | the only line saying auto in interfaces is: auto lo |
| 03:45.22 | TCW_ | CutMeOwnThroat, then you do have a very strange girlfriend :-P |
| 03:45.27 | toolz | and then: allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 03:45.31 | toolz | nothing else |
| 03:45.33 | EarLy | amphi: no idea, i'm a complete noob to linux |
| 03:45.39 | amphi | PathagenX: what? |
| 03:45.51 | PathagenX | I will tell you how to dist-upgrade |
| 03:45.59 | PathagenX | amphi, open a console, type su and type the root password as asked |
| 03:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, it doesnt - it tries to install the etch -dev package, but the 2.7-15 libc6 package is already installed |
| 03:46.08 | amphi | PathagenX: how generous - why? |
| 03:46.23 | PathagenX | I give up |
| 03:46.38 | TCW_ | EarLy, noob? Great... testing is NOT for noobs, not even now so short before it becomes stable |
| 03:46.47 | abrotman | he's mixing .. it's too late |
| 03:47.08 | amphi | PathagenX: I think you misunderstood |
| 03:47.14 | PathagenX | oh lawl |
| 03:47.19 | PathagenX | you're screwed |
| 03:47.32 | PathagenX | download lenny and install. :) |
| 03:47.36 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:47.39 | EarLy | me? |
| 03:47.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, why |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | PathagenX: have you used debian ? |
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| 03:48.04 | amphi | PathagenX: EarLy is the one with a mixed up install |
| 03:48.04 | Elite | I have :) |
| 03:48.11 | PathagenX | abrotman, If he tries to do anything, won't apt just complain about his libc version and not work? |
| 03:48.18 | abrotman | no |
| 03:48.19 | PathagenX | oh |
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| 03:48.55 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: 'libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7) but 2.7-15 is to be installed' - I guess he has 2.7 libc6 installed |
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| 03:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:49.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I said |
| 03:49.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's already on the lenny version of libc6 |
| 03:49.30 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, yes, so you did ;) |
| 03:49.34 | abrotman | just tell him the instructions for going to lenny .. |
| 03:49.35 | ToHellWithGA | can y'all think of any way to recover a filesystem's, for lack of a better word, table of contents? |
| 03:49.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now the etch libc6-dev won't install |
| 03:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etch->lenny |
| 03:49.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | tell him! |
| 03:49.57 | ToHellWithGA | i have a dying hard drive and i'm not so much concerned about recovering the entire set of data as the list of files |
| 03:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell him |
| 03:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 03:50.19 | PathagenX | OK, so can he still dist-upgrade? |
| 03:50.21 | toolz | amphi, instead of addint a line auto eth1:... for each interface |
| 03:50.29 | toolz | can't I add one using some wildcard? |
| 03:50.32 | toolz | can that be done? |
| 03:50.40 | EarLy | is lenny better than etch? |
| 03:50.44 | amphi | toolz: dunno |
| 03:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 03:50.53 | dpkg | Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>. |
| 03:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 03:51.03 | abrotman | tell him! |
| 03:51.10 | PathagenX | EarLy, that is subjective to needs. But for you, it is the only way. |
| 03:51.42 | jamon | PathagenX: there is never only an only way, just relaitvely more or less difficult ways |
| 03:51.42 | DanDare | It´s coming the time for next stable distro release Lenny ? |
| 03:51.53 | jamon | enough rope to hang oneself I say :) |
| 03:52.06 | PathagenX | or you can force a reinstall of Etch libc and then uninstall the lenny version... |
| 03:52.09 | EarLy | so i just do "aptitude dist-upgrade"? do i have to edit my sourced first? |
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| 03:52.12 | abrotman | DanDare: when it's done .. not sooner |
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| 03:52.20 | DanDare | ok abrotman thanks |
| 03:52.31 | DanDare | wait |
| 03:52.35 | abrotman | wait |
| 03:52.39 | PathagenX | you need to edit your sources.list, apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:52.50 | DanDare | you mean dont worth asking if its sooner ? |
| 03:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, show us your sources.list in a pastebin ( /msg dpkg pastebin to get some) |
| 03:52.56 | EarLy | edit sources to what? |
| 03:52.58 | ranix | sounds exciting, PathagenX |
| 03:53.07 | abrotman | DanDare: it will be done when it's done .. we can't tell for certain when that will be |
| 03:53.15 | DanDare | its just im out of the scene, want to know if its coming sooner or not :p |
| 03:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !freeze DanDare |
| 03:53.20 | dpkg | prepares to release DanDare. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
| 03:53.33 | abrotman | DanDare: hopefully in a few months |
| 03:53.36 | DanDare | i know it will be done when it´s done :) |
| 03:53.43 | DanDare | Ahh nice abrotman |
| 03:53.46 | DanDare | thanks man |
| 03:53.51 | PathagenX | I did it this morning so I can assure success (with chance of being wrong) |
| 03:53.59 | abrotman | DanDare: maybe sooner |
| 03:54.01 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.ca/1258790 |
| 03:54.02 | abrotman | DanDare: maybe longer |
| 03:54.08 | DanDare | no problem |
| 03:54.10 | abrotman | !tell DanDare about wwlr |
| 03:54.22 | DanDare | im just happy with debian |
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| 03:54.35 | jamon | just happy? blasphemy DanDare |
| 03:54.50 | DanDare | hahah |
| 03:55.01 | ranix | apt doesn't do editor wars anymore |
| 03:55.02 | DanDare | its not good ? |
| 03:55.24 | DanDare | being happy with the distro... like i dont need nothing more |
| 03:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, now the prize question - how did he manage to get lenny packages with this sources.list |
| 03:55.43 | PathagenX | XD |
| 03:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, he was expecting "ecstatic" or better |
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| 03:56.42 | PathagenX | newbies are superhuman sometimes. |
| 03:56.43 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: either someone from this channel or the other debian channel gave me those sources for my source list |
| 03:56.47 | amphi | forced dpkg -i ? |
| 03:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, guess that no$ is indeed non-free in your file ..... |
| 03:57.12 | ranix | sounds like someone needs to read up on apt-get |
| 03:57.34 | jamon | s/apt-get/aptitude you mean? :p |
| 03:57.44 | ranix | aptitude is for the weak |
| 03:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, well, these entries in your sources.list are just for stable - if you always had this sources.list, you should have never run into the problem you now have |
| 03:57.59 | PathagenX | I'm still doubtful that apt will even work. |
| 03:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, is it possible you *started out* with lenny, then someone gave you sources.list for stable? |
| 03:58.19 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: can you pastebin how my source list should be? |
| 03:59.01 | ranix | have him set sources.list to lenny and do dist-upgrade |
| 03:59.38 | toolz | when I do networking restart I get a lot of messages like: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 03:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, and actually, don't you run into a lot of other errors also with the non-us.debian.org server? I think that's not used anymore in a longish time |
| 03:59.43 | toolz | whats that |
| 04:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !non-us |
| 04:00.05 | dpkg | methinks non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 04:00.18 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: no. this is my only problem |
| 04:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, even sarge didn't have non-us |
| 04:00.36 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: but i don't install much so more could be possible |
| 04:00.41 | ranix | I remember non-us vaguely |
| 04:01.02 | PathagenX | haha dist-downgrade XD |
| 04:01.32 | EarLy | so how should my source list look? i need to install lenny |
| 04:01.42 | ranix | EarLy: man sources.list |
| 04:01.52 | abrotman | didn't we go over this? |
| 04:02.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, what does cat /etc/debian_version show you as a result? |
| 04:02.17 | PathagenX | SOURCE=http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org lenny main contrib non-free |
| 04:02.26 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: 4.0 |
| 04:02.36 | DanDare | Ok, im trying to install this webcam on Debian etch. I installed the gspca-source and correct modules for my kernel/CPU and installed. Installed spca5xxx-source. Xawtv cant connect to video stream. It´s meant to just work after installed those packages or im missing something? |
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| 04:03.01 | DanDare | lsub give me chip brand 0ac8:307b |
| 04:03.07 | DanDare | *lusb |
| 04:03.21 | jamon | DanDare: module loaded, permission on device? |
| 04:03.25 | TCW_ | danwhat happens if you plug in the webcam? See dmesg |
| 04:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, and looks like you're in the us... |
| 04:03.34 | TCW_ | DanDare, even |
| 04:04.01 | DanDare | jamon, dont know if i have the module loaded. I must try modprobe right? |
| 04:04.05 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: no, France i think |
| 04:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you think? :) |
| 04:04.22 | jamon | DanDare: well like TCW_ said, unplug/plug and watch dmesg for driver info |
| 04:04.30 | EarLy | it's a dedi server |
| 04:04.50 | DanDare | jamon, im on remote terminal |
| 04:05.18 | jamon | well then, rmmod/modprobe it is :) |
| 04:05.42 | ranix | you're in ohio, EarLy |
| 04:06.00 | EarLy | ranix: the computer running Debian is not |
| 04:06.13 | ranix | EarLy: exciting! |
| 04:06.37 | EarLy | ranix: not really |
| 04:06.39 | DanDare | will try |
| 04:06.57 | ranix | EarLy: switch sources.list to lenny and dist-upgrade |
| 04:07.09 | ranix | EarLy: read man sources.list until you understand what that sentence meant |
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| 04:07.52 | PathagenX | system('rtfm'); |
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| 04:08.15 | EarLy | ranix: i understand but i don't understan how to switch to lenny |
| 04:08.17 | ranix | PathagenX: reading documentation is an aquired skill and is not easy |
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| 04:09.15 | ranix | EarLy: I understand how difficult it is to learn to read documentation. No time like the present to start. Type "man sources.list" with no quotations and read up. Then, fix your sources.list. Then, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:09.19 | PathagenX | ranix echo SOURCE=http://ftp.debian.org testing main contrib non-free > /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 04:09.25 | PathagenX | not ranix |
| 04:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, this should be ok for france and lenny: http://pastebin.ca/1258800 (amphi, want to check it?) |
| 04:09.32 | PathagenX | That was for you, EarLy |
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| 04:09.54 | ranix | you guys are babying him too much. Teach a man to fish |
| 04:10.03 | kunwon1 | fuckin a |
| 04:10.10 | jamon | ranix: get a working system, then teach |
| 04:10.12 | PathagenX | yea and the server that needs a dist-upgrade is in America |
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| 04:10.18 | PathagenX | or is that back to front" |
| 04:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | PathagenX, "SOURCE="? |
| 04:10.32 | PathagenX | lawlz. I stopped caring. |
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| 04:10.48 | ranix | EarLy: don't listen to him |
| 04:10.49 | PathagenX | sorry. Got confused with slapt-get |
| 04:10.56 | ranix | slapt get? |
| 04:10.56 | PathagenX | ignore me completly |
| 04:10.57 | ranix | wtf is slapt |
| 04:11.05 | PathagenX | apt-get for slackware |
| 04:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, don't give advice that messes his system up even more, please |
| 04:11.28 | EarLy | ranix: don't listen to who? |
| 04:11.34 | PathagenX | me |
| 04:11.36 | ranix | these apt clones are getting out of control |
| 04:11.42 | PathagenX | I'm confusing myself |
| 04:11.45 | kunwon1 | they're all crapt |
| 04:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse PathagenX |
| 04:11.49 | dpkg | No, where are my pineapple tomorrow, PathagenX? lederhosen of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra cream |
| 04:11.52 | kunwon1 | RIMSHOT |
| 04:11.55 | ranix | crapt-get dist-fail |
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| 04:12.20 | PathagenX | Thanks, Cut. That really cleared my head. |
| 04:13.20 | PathagenX | How long untill Lenny becokmes Stable? |
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| 04:13.42 | PathagenX | I want it stable naos. |
| 04:13.52 | ranix | !how long until lenny |
| 04:14.02 | jamon | it is stable enough now depending on your needs |
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| 04:14.35 | PathagenX | Is the cycle time based or quality based? |
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| 04:14.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell PathagenX -about siyh |
| 04:15.11 | jmd | How do I stop iceweasel from crashing? |
| 04:15.15 | ranix | that's what I was looking for CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:15.19 | ranix | jmd: use opera |
| 04:15.34 | ranix | jmd: I kid, I kid |
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| 04:15.47 | DanDare | `uname -r` returns me 2.6.18-4-686 but all gspca-modules are 2.6.18-6-686. There´s a problem regarding the fact apt dont list me any gspca-module-2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 04:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | or iceape... then it's opera or iceape who're crashing... |
| 04:15.57 | PathagenX | thankshoo |
| 04:16.03 | ranix | jmd: try to give us more information so we don't need to ask retard questions like "drr, does it give an error?" |
| 04:16.16 | jmd | It just segfaults |
| 04:16.45 | Elite|Jeti | Hey guys if I throw debian on a partition on my PC then get a dump of my dial up modem driver can I use that to make the modem work on OSX? |
| 04:17.01 | PathagenX | did you try backing up and then removing $HOME/.mozilla |
| 04:17.02 | PathagenX | ? |
| 04:17.06 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: no |
| 04:17.14 | jmd | PathagenX: Several times. |
| 04:17.33 | Elite|Jeti | ranix: and why not? |
| 04:17.43 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: don't care to explain |
| 04:17.51 | kunwon1 | what is a 'dump' of a driver? |
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| 04:18.13 | jmd | and what is a 'debian partition' ? |
| 04:18.17 | PathagenX | Hmmmm.. Did you try alias iceweasel=/usr/local/dairy ? |
| 04:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, that for /etc/apt/sources.list, then use the advice from the etch->lenny factoid |
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| 04:19.05 | kunwon1 | PathagenX, what's that command supposed to do? |
| 04:19.31 | Elite|Jeti | jmd where did I say anything about a debian partition? |
| 04:19.41 | PathagenX | OSX may be a *x type operating system but the kernel is nothing like that of Linux, being BSD userland on a Darwin kernel. |
| 04:19.42 | DanDare | Right. I installed the gspca-module-2.6.18-6.686 But when i try `modprobe gspca` system says "FATAL: Module gspca not found". What happens ? |
| 04:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, hm, normally it *is* something in your config in .mozilla.... which iceweasel is it? guess you could try to reinstall the package (or see if a different version works) |
| 04:20.15 | PathagenX | kunwon1, whenever you want to start your browser, it sends your computer down to the local dairy to fetch some magazines. |
| 04:20.15 | jamon | DanDare: dpkg -L gspca-module-2.6.18-6.686 |grep .ko |
| 04:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, or lets say from which repro is the iceweasel? this sounds sid-ish |
| 04:20.45 | Elite|Jeti | PathagenX, how about if I use another os using the darwin kernel? |
| 04:20.47 | jmd | From testing |
| 04:20.51 | jmd | 3.0.3 |
| 04:21.09 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: distupgrade won't delete everything on the hd will it? |
| 04:21.10 | PathagenX | Elite|Jeti, SURE! Tell me when you find one. |
| 04:21.22 | ranix | lol |
| 04:21.35 | toolz | how do I install an ftp server so when I automatically add an username to the machine to be able to ftp his account |
| 04:21.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, it'll upgrade all packages to new versions |
| 04:21.54 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: okay |
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| 04:22.27 | DanDare | Jamon, it returns me gspca.ko |
| 04:22.27 | PathagenX | EarLy, dist-upgrade will upgrade your distro to the lastest in repo. It will not touch your settings or personal files. Heck. It won't even touch your home dir. |
| 04:22.45 | jamon | DanDare: try insmod /path/too/gspca.ko then |
| 04:23.10 | Elite|Jeti | PathagenX, get the kernel and use it dur |
| 04:23.49 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: are you a troll? |
| 04:23.49 | DanDare | jamon: Cant read 'path/too/gspca.ko' : Nosuch directory |
| 04:23.51 | PathagenX | dpkg --force coffee. |
| 04:23.52 | dpkg | PathagenX: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:24.13 | Elite|Jeti | ranix: screw you |
| 04:24.26 | jamon | DanDare: dplg -L returned a path for that gspca.ko file, insmod that |
| 04:24.37 | DanDare | akk ok sorry |
| 04:24.40 | jamon | np |
| 04:24.40 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: whoa that was uncalled for |
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| 04:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, hm.. if you still got a slightly older version in /var/cache/apt/archives you could downgrade to that one and see if it helps - also, if it's not your personal settings, I suspect a runtime library... but I'm also running lenny without any problems - in a last step, you could try running strace -f -F on it and see if you find something or debug it with gdb... if it's a runtime library, perhaps you find out which one it is this w |
| 04:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ay |
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| 04:25.11 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: I was just thinking you might be a troll because you didn't seem to be embarrassed using words you obviously don't understand. Like, "kernel" and "linux" |
| 04:25.35 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: and "driver" |
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| 04:25.46 | Elite|Jeti | I understand them both well, I know you can interchange the kernal |
| 04:25.49 | DanDare | jamon: Done. That installed the module on kernel? Sorry if its a so dumb question |
| 04:25.52 | Elite|Jeti | kernel* |
| 04:26.00 | jamon | i can feel the loves in #debian tonight |
| 04:26.06 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: you have a fundamental lack of understanding |
| 04:26.18 | maximi89 | hi people, i have some problems with GRUB2, i recently upgrade to this one |
| 04:26.18 | jamon | DanDare: if it didn't barf an error message yeah, you can verify with dmesg |
| 04:26.22 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: specifically regarding computers, and how they "compute" |
| 04:26.31 | PathagenX | Elite|Jeti, I googled for you and found a tip on freshmeat. If you install menuetos (www.menuetos.org) and compile the linux kernel, it will port the driver to assembly and you can use it in OSX. |
| 04:26.38 | DanDare | jamon: No errors but still i can modprobe it |
| 04:26.42 | DanDare | *Cant |
| 04:26.49 | PathagenX | Elite|Jeti, The down side is MenuetOS runs off a floppy disk, |
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| 04:27.06 | jamon | DanDare: insmod didn't work? |
| 04:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, the -4- and -6- in 2.6.18-6 are just patchlevels for the same kernel, that means there are new patches applied to the kernel from the debian maintainer (normally security patches or bugfixes) - if there are modules for -6- but not for -4- that just means you also have to upgrade the kernel |
| 04:27.24 | DanDare | i think it worked because dont returned any message |
| 04:27.39 | jamon | DanDare: so what does dmesg say about it then? |
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| 04:28.28 | DanDare | jamon: By doing 'dmesg|grep gspca' returns "usbcore: registered new driver gspca |
| 04:28.41 | maximi89 | i need to know how to write this on the new GRUB2 http://pastebin.ca/1258813 |
| 04:28.55 | DanDare | "usbcore: registered new driver gspca /tmp/buildd/linux-modules-extra-2.6-2.6.18/debian/build/build_i386_none_686_gspca/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 2.6.18 registered" |
| 04:28.57 | maximi89 | i try with something, but doesnt works |
| 04:29.04 | PathagenX | I am clueless with grub. |
| 04:29.17 | jamon | DanDare: alright, now try accessing the device |
| 04:29.20 | PathagenX | I either use lilo or just trust in Debian. |
| 04:29.34 | jmd | How can I get lenny to mount a single file over nfs? |
| 04:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, and if uname -r shows you 2.6.18-4-686 it's not surprising that you can't load the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel modules... |
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| 04:30.05 | PathagenX | Why would you use nfs? |
| 04:30.19 | jmd | To mount remote filesystems. |
| 04:30.23 | PathagenX | Wait.. Did I travel back in time again? Dammit. |
| 04:30.27 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah but apt dont give me any -4- module for gspca. What to do ? |
| 04:30.29 | jamon | sshfs++ :) |
| 04:30.34 | maximi89 | Pathagenx: i use the automatic os prober of grub, but this one dont detect windows easily |
| 04:30.45 | ranix | jamon: sshfs does not do everything nfs does |
| 04:30.58 | DanDare | jamon: "open /dev/video0: No such file or directory" |
| 04:30.59 | jmd | sshfs is an ugly hack |
| 04:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, no, but you should upgrade to the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel, reboot and then you got the bug-/securityfixes and your modules |
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| 04:31.05 | PathagenX | maximi89, Yea like I said.. If Debian likes grub so much then it can handle it itself. |
| 04:31.08 | jamon | of course not, but it's pretty freaking sweet for quickie stuff |
| 04:31.29 | ranix | scp is for quickie stuff |
| 04:31.33 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, ok.... |
| 04:31.35 | ranix | >:[ |
| 04:31.41 | PathagenX | i heart scp |
| 04:31.43 | maximi89 | i have Linux on a Independent HDD and windows in other one |
| 04:31.50 | jmd | ... and not many sysadmins are going to put sshfs on their servers |
| 04:31.55 | PathagenX | and gnome and kde make ssh sharing quite powerful |
| 04:32.13 | PathagenX | notr xfce though. xfce only has thunar and fails. |
| 04:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, and bob's your uncle :) |
| 04:32.18 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, its too hard to upgrade the kernel? After i upgrade the kernel i will be able to use apt without any major issues like i was doing in the past year ? |
| 04:32.48 | ranix | PathagenX: you don't need a graphical file manager |
| 04:32.57 | DanDare | I mean: Its usual like any other upgrade or i can expect things being broke and so on ? |
| 04:32.58 | ranix | PathagenX: training wheels much? |
| 04:33.20 | PathagenX | You hear that, Xfce?! YEA! Thunar is winfile.exe without network drive mounting! |
| 04:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, should be no problem whatsoever.... there's of course always the off-side chance that you can't boot anymore.. but no risk no fun |
| 04:33.50 | Elite|Jeti | PathagenX, what about that floppy distro and ranix: I know more than you assume about computers a less about linux I built my own PC and admin advanced networks for PC's |
| 04:33.51 | PathagenX | wfw referance |
| 04:33.53 | PathagenX | I'm old |
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| 04:34.04 | PathagenX | did you get menuetos? |
| 04:34.19 | toolz | whats this error? error: 'Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111' |
| 04:34.34 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: zoomj he built his own computer. You want a prize buddy |
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| 04:34.35 | Fenix|home | Greetings... |
| 04:34.36 | Elite|Jeti | No why what is it? |
| 04:34.39 | PathagenX | If you compile the linux kernel (and thus module) in menuetos, it will port the driver to assembly and then you can use it on osx |
| 04:34.47 | toolz | trying to do : mysqladmin -h server1.example.com -u root password password-here |
| 04:34.52 | toolz | just after a fresh install |
| 04:34.57 | Fenix|home | ... anyone have any solution to GRUB's Error 18 when using dmraid? |
| 04:35.04 | ranix | Elite|Jeti: a cake that says "can tie own shoelaces" in cursive. Can you read cursive? |
| 04:35.08 | scribeskul | Hey guys, I'm running 'etch', and i picked it because it was the latest stable release, but lately I've been running into a lot of people running Lenny. Is lenny stable enough to use as a 'main' system, or should I just stick with Etch? The reason is I've been finding a lot of outdated packages in the repos and all... |
| 04:35.09 | PathagenX | Fenix|home: Lilo |
| 04:35.13 | Elite|Jeti | ranix: there is a difference, in building a computer a "building" a computer |
| 04:35.30 | PathagenX | A building that is a computer? |
| 04:35.35 | PathagenX | I wanna live there |
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| 04:35.56 | ranix | PathagenX: he means he built a machine that can pass a Touring test on a breadboard |
| 04:36.02 | ranix | Turing |
| 04:36.04 | ranix | gdkg |
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| 04:36.25 | PathagenX | oh. |
| 04:36.26 | DanDare | Im not good doing complicated things on the OS. If i need to upgrade the kernel without major headaches after the proccess i better go and install a new fresh debian OS from the last stable release ? |
| 04:36.42 | PathagenX | I like true. The light is blue when it's true. |
| 04:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell scribeskul about lenny status |
| 04:37.07 | Fenix|home | PathagenX, wasn't given the option, |
| 04:37.16 | Fenix|home | problem solved though... cook the array and recreate it |
| 04:37.18 | Fenix|home | now it works |
| 04:37.37 | PathagenX | Elite|Jeti, How's it going, Skipper? |
| 04:37.42 | Elite|Jeti | No I mean I built a computer that won't be obsolete in 2 years and that can actually run vista efficiently and I did alot more than build it |
| 04:37.56 | jamon | vista-- |
| 04:38.11 | toolz | is there any php-zend package that can be used when installing php using apt-get install? |
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| 04:38.17 | PathagenX | By the sound of it, you built it two years in the future and then brought it back to now. |
| 04:38.23 | PathagenX | That's impressive. |
| 04:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | scribeskul, see the links dpkg gave you and form your own opinion :) |
| 04:38.37 | Elite|Jeti | PathagenX, hows what going? |
| 04:38.42 | PathagenX | menuetos |
| 04:38.46 | PathagenX | wait.. |
| 04:38.53 | jamon | DanDare: you should apt-get update and upgrade to get the new kernel for sure |
| 04:38.57 | PathagenX | You are trying to run OSX on a Vista machine? |
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| 04:39.02 | mhymn_ | !tell toolz -about search |
| 04:39.06 | TCW_ | scribeskul, are you happy with etch? STick with it... if you need _some_ newer packages, see if therr are backports for those, if you need a lot more more recent packages, switch to lenny, but beware, you may get some troubles you were not used to with stable. |
| 04:39.11 | Dominicus | Can anyone tell me what log file records what packages are being installed and their dependencies, should I want to revert an installed package and it's binaries out of my system? |
| 04:39.22 | Presently42 | Hello. I'm experiencing large fluctuations in link quality as reported by iwconfig for my ath0 madwifi using atheros card on a laptop using unstable. |
| 04:39.41 | Presently42 | Moreover, the speed of the internet is egregiously slow. |
| 04:39.48 | PathagenX | Presently42, That sounds like WiFi. It's working. |
| 04:39.55 | jamon | Presently42: you can't rely on the rssi indicator of any wifi hardware, each is vendor specific |
| 04:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, upgrading the kernel is not a major thing... specially not in your case, when it's only two patch-levels... don't be a chicken :9 |
| 04:40.02 | amphi | Dominicus: if you installed it with aptitude, uninstalling it will remove any automatically installed dependencies |
| 04:40.02 | Elite|Jeti | PathagenX, I can run OSX on this machine |
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| 04:40.18 | Presently42 | PathagenX: It is working, but only just. |
| 04:40.35 | jamon | Elite|Jeti: is there something we can help you with? |
| 04:40.36 | PathagenX | Elite|Jeti, On your Vista machine, that you built yourself? |
| 04:40.43 | Presently42 | jamon: Agreed. I state it merely to note that it is fluctuating badly and, once, didn't. |
| 04:41.07 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: i now have lenny but i'm getting this when i try to ./configure. http://pastebin.ca/1258839 |
| 04:41.09 | Dominicus | amphi: I believe I used the Synaptic Paackage Manager and/or apt-get. And what about Aptitude... which is the preferred method for installing debian repository items, while still having all the good bells and whistles to gracefully remove stuff? |
| 04:41.12 | jamon | Presently42: ah, that's more interesting, are you finding throughput affected? |
| 04:41.13 | scribeskul | TCW_: I'm happy with etch. I guess I'm overly worried about being left in the dust, sort to speak. I don't really mind building a few packages from source, and the like, but will updates for the kernel, packages, etc be released for etch, or am i at a stand-still with the current repos. (I'm not sure if I am communicating the question accurately) |
| 04:41.28 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat: HAhahAH ok |
| 04:41.37 | Doctor-Steve | trying to install debian but because my Nvidia is far too new, x server wont start.... how can i get the drivers for the new card? |
| 04:41.39 | PathagenX | Presently42: He wants help dumping a kernel driver onto linux and using it in OSX. |
| 04:41.49 | amphi | !tell Dominicus -about why aptitude |
| 04:41.51 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat: kernel will be upgraded by simply 'apt-get upgrade' ? |
| 04:41.55 | PathagenX | Wait |
| 04:41.56 | ranix | scribeskul: if you're worried about that with a system you don't need 100% stable, use Lenny |
| 04:42.00 | PathagenX | I responded again.. |
| 04:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, and there are no logs that document package-changes, but it's a bloody good idea |
| 04:42.09 | Presently42 | jamon: I'm not sure what is affeted; I can't find a problem. |
| 04:42.14 | ranix | scribeskul: if it's a machine you don't want to be dicking around with, use etch until lenny is released |
| 04:42.15 | TCW_ | scribeskul, did you ever check bacjports to see if the stuff you built from source was available there? |
| 04:42.20 | PathagenX | That was aimed at.... Who cares. |
| 04:42.22 | Elite|Jeti | PathagenX, yes on the vista machine I built I can dual boot OSX and Vista |
| 04:42.41 | Presently42 | jamon: My wired computer gets full speed, but this lappy is now getting a sixth of that. It used to be just as fast. |
| 04:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, no, for just the kernel alone you can do aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 04:42.42 | PathagenX | So you built a Mac desktop yourself, huh? |
| 04:42.50 | jamon | Presently42: could even just be relative humidity where you are, it's just so variable with wifi |
| 04:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Doctor-Steve about nvidia |
| 04:43.15 | Dominicus | amphi: So Aptitude is king right now then. kk. Thanks. I'll go ask my other wine related questions in the wine channel now. Thanks gang! |
| 04:43.24 | Presently42 | jamon: Indeed, I think when it rains, the speed goes down. This, though, has become consistent. |
| 04:43.35 | Elite|Jeti | PathagenX, pretty much |
| 04:43.47 | ranix | lulz |
| 04:43.50 | jamon | hmm, how old is the card Presently42? |
| 04:43.54 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat: But sounds a nice idea to perform 'apt-get upgrade' before upgrading the kernel right ? |
| 04:44.04 | Dominicus | !tell Dominicus about nvidia |
| 04:44.16 | Presently42 | jamon: I bought the lappy in 2005 or 2006. |
| 04:44.19 | Doctor-Steve | CutMeOwnThroat, can i build that into my installation somehow or install it using the command line only? |
| 04:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Dominicus -about selftell |
| 04:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openssl |
| 04:44.31 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: openssl: 0.9.8c-4etch3 (etch) 0.9.8c-4etch3 (etch-security) 0.9.8g-14 (lenny) 0.9.8g-14 (sid) |
| 04:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, ^^ |
| 04:44.38 | Elite|Jeti | Mac pro look alike case and can run and use OSX everything working ootb minux the win modem since its a win modem |
| 04:44.42 | scribeskul | TCW_: No, actually I haven't. I'm assuming I need a new mirror added to sources.list? When Lenny IS released stable, I'll end up reformatting anyways, right? I suppose it is possible to just keep etch forever and manually update everything (kernels, etc) as needed, right? (forgive me, I have some linux experience, but I don't have enough on the subject of having it as my MAIN system) |
| 04:44.47 | PathagenX | Have you updated your boot camp firmware to BIO bridge lately, Elite? Maybe that's why OSX isn't supporting your device. |
| 04:45.00 | TCW_ | scribeskul, no :) |
| 04:45.13 | PathagenX | .. Minix? |
| 04:45.13 | Elite|Jeti | I don't use boot camp |
| 04:45.27 | TCW_ | scribeskul, for backports actually a yes... but let's sort thiis out one after the other :) |
| 04:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, there is openssl in lenny... oh... the server is in france and the... france has some weird cryptography laws... perhaps change the ".fr." in the /etc/apt/sources.list to ".us." - afaik france outlaws cryptography completely |
| 04:45.32 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks CutMeOwnThroat. I would have messaged the bot, but i didn't know what the bots name was. So, I had to selftell. my bad. |
| 04:45.39 | DanDare | ok guys thank you all |
| 04:45.39 | PathagenX | I'm bored now. I was not expecting the rabbit hole to go this deep. |
| 04:45.41 | DanDare | good night |
| 04:45.44 | Elite|Jeti | Nope, try more along the lines of just booting a prtition |
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| 04:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Doctor-Steve, what do you mean? |
| 04:46.11 | scribeskul | TCW_: hahaha, ok. |
| 04:46.32 | ranix | PathagenX: it's like punching a sheep in the face |
| 04:46.53 | Doctor-Steve | CutMeOwnThroat, once ive installed debian i cant get x to start AT ALL, so i only have a terminal |
| 04:47.09 | TCW_ | scribeskul, in general, debian is just GREAT when it comes to upgrading to the new stable release... so if you do it right (read the release notes of the new stable release, VERY important!) you will never need to "reformat" your system, just upgrade it. |
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| 04:47.53 | PathagenX | Elite|Jeti: You can't 'dump' drivers, you can not use Linux (kernel) drivers in OSX, you can not built a Mac yourself, You can not boot Vista without Boot camp and you can not just partition and install x86 operating systems on a Mac box and expect it to work. |
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| 04:48.19 | PathagenX | Did I forget anything? |
| 04:48.30 | Presently42 | jamon: I tried changing the channel, improving /etc/resolv.conf (by sticking in the two opendns nameservers), removing ipv6 from loaded modules and /etc/hosts; I even tried moving to just a metre away from the router. No change. |
| 04:48.33 | scribeskul | TCW_: I like the sound of that. So waiting for a STABLE release of lenny won't really be a big deal then, just a time game. In the meantime, packages that are outdated in the etch repos can just be dealt with backports and/or compiling from source. Groovy. That makes me feel a bit more secure then. |
| 04:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Doctor-Steve, if you want X 1st to fix it, use the "nv" or "vesa" drivers in xorg.conf - the urls in the factoid from dpkg tell you how to make a package for the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 04:48.47 | TCW_ | PathagenX, most of your statements were wrong :) |
| 04:49.02 | jamon | Presently42: how about turned off encryption as a test? |
| 04:49.04 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: still getting the same error |
| 04:49.21 | Doctor-Steve | CutMeOwnThroat, so in xorg.conf, i? got a guide? |
| 04:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, did you do aptitude update ? |
| 04:49.29 | PathagenX | Oh and Linux is a kernel. Just a kernel. There is no 'The Linux' There is just The Linux kernel, GNU userland and Xorg with user selected distributed packages. |
| 04:49.35 | TCW_ | scribeskul, try to stick with backports, just built from source when it is absolutely necessary |
| 04:49.38 | denniss | does anybody know where to get emerald package for debian? |
| 04:49.40 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 04:49.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Doctor-Steve, didn't you get this.. |
| 04:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nvidia |
| 04:49.43 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 04:49.43 | PathagenX | TCW_, explain |
| 04:49.46 | jamon | Presently42: don't discount your router either, i was using a beta dd-wrt firmware on mine for a while and it was screwing with things |
| 04:49.48 | Doctor-Steve | CutMeOwnThroat, so in xorg.conf, i got it... |
| 04:50.07 | Presently42 | jamon: O, I do think the router is bad. |
| 04:50.32 | Presently42 | jamon: I shall try the unencrypted now, as I've not before. I shall return! |
| 04:50.34 | scribeskul | TCW_: That brings me to my second question (which I should probably just search for the answer, but maybe your feeling generous); Is there a 'backport' mirror, or something of the like? |
| 04:50.35 | PathagenX | Even an Intel Mac still has firmware, not BIOS |
| 04:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Doctor-Steve, ^^ that means you can get detailed instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or /msg dpkg nvidia m-a if you already pretty much know what you'Re doing and just need a reminder |
| 04:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell scribeskul -about backports |
| 04:51.36 | Presently42 | jamon: In fact, I can't even change the firmware on it any more. AND it doesn't have WPA2. Silly thing. |
| 04:51.39 | scribeskul | CutMeOwnThroat: groovy. |
| 04:51.42 | scribeskul | :) |
| 04:51.51 | jamon | Presently42: that sounds old enough to be suspect :p |
| 04:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | scribeskul, argh, of course I got the wrong factoid ... should have ommited the 's' :( |
| 04:51.59 | Elite|Jeti | Well I don't use either of the applications you mentioned and I run OSX and Vista dual boot |
| 04:52.10 | Presently42 | jamon: Undoubtedly. |
| 04:52.23 | TCW_ | PathagenX, the driver thng may be right... the rest not. There are several ways to run MacOS X on a homebuilt x86 machine, search the net for hackintosh. And of course you can install Vista (as any other OS) on a x86 mac without bootcamp... for example I run Linux without bootcamp, no issue. There may be some minor tweaks for Vista necesary, but in general bootcamp is not esential |
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| 04:52.45 | Presently42 | jamon: But it still has not, up until now, really hampered the speed. |
| 04:52.48 | PathagenX | I stand corrected! |
| 04:53.10 | TCW_ | scribeskul, I think CutMeOwnThroat and dpkg already answered that :) |
| 04:53.28 | jamon | Presently42: yeah, that's where i'm fresh outta ideas |
| 04:53.33 | scribeskul | TCW_: yep, already reading up on it! |
| 04:54.08 | Elite|Jeti | Exactly, I do it, so don't try to tell me what I do and don't do |
| 04:54.18 | Presently42 | jamon: Alas. I was hoping there'd be some conf file I forgot about, or maybe some way to see if some thing else is using the wireless card. |
| 04:54.23 | Elite|Jeti | Look into hackintosh, you might actually see I am right |
| 04:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, and? |
| 04:55.14 | PathagenX | Elite|Jeti, You're still an idiot. What has anything you asked about have to do with Debian anyway? |
| 04:55.20 | jamon | Presently42: apart from networkmanager, most things just use wireless-tools underneath it all |
| 04:55.53 | maximi89 | any body know GRUB2? |
| 04:55.53 | toolz | where does apache2 has its httpd.conf file located? the /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty |
| 04:56.10 | jamon | toolz: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 04:56.17 | Elite|Jeti | I asked if I could use debian to make a dump of the driver since I seen a way to do it before |
| 04:56.35 | PathagenX | Try not using lingo |
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| 04:56.50 | PathagenX | you want to get information about the device? |
| 04:57.08 | Elite|Jeti | huh? |
| 04:57.22 | oOarthurOo | powertop shows me the power usage of my entire laptop... is a way just to see what the cpu is drawing? I plan on patching my Lenny kernel with PHC to do undervolting. But I'd like to see the difference afterward. So I want to take some measurements. |
| 04:57.26 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:57.30 | toolz | jamon, I couldn't find anything in that file to modify for example documentroot of the webserver |
| 04:57.40 | PathagenX | Niether my keyboard, nore my forehead can take much more of you.. |
| 04:57.47 | scribeskul | TCW_: groovy...installing newest wesnoth now. Having the backports installed, they won't cease to work when i upgrade to lenny in the future, will they? (or is this a 'depends' kind of wuestion) |
| 04:57.48 | toolz | keeps on going in browswer to site/apache2-default |
| 04:57.51 | PathagenX | Explain by what you mean by 'dump a driver' |
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| 04:57.54 | jamon | toolz: ah, those are in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 04:58.10 | toolz | k thanks |
| 04:58.25 | TCW_ | scribeskul, "depends" :) in general the backports are designed with the new releases in mind... |
| 04:58.33 | Elite|Jeti | Neither can I because you are too ignorant to see that I am possibly right in what I am saying and not giving it a second chance |
| 04:58.46 | PathagenX | Oh, my bad |
| 04:58.56 | Elite|Jeti | I don't know what they meant I was hoping someone here could help me with that, but now I have to go so nevermind |
| 04:58.59 | PathagenX | Perhaps the kernel team would be more able to help. |
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| 04:59.15 | scribeskul | TCW: Dyno-mite! hehe. I suppose if there is a problem, I can just 'pull' them out and reinstall them back. Thanks for your help! And CutMeOwnThroat 's help! |
| 04:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a channel for mixing debian with loadsof packages from debian-based distris, btw? |
| 04:59.25 | TCW_ | scribeskul, that means... ocasionally you may need to remove a backport before you can upgrade, but most of the time the upgrade should work flawlessly |
| 04:59.26 | PathagenX | They'll sure be able to tell you who is right and not. |
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| 04:59.46 | TCW_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yep... that channel is called 'hell |
| 04:59.53 | TCW_ | #hell even |
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| 05:00.10 | CapaH | I have a USB external numpad which seems to work fine - except in a certain WINE application. When I push '2' on the numpad it doesn't work - but if I put '2' on the keyboard, it does. Can anyone shed some light on this? |
| 05:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW_, join me in #hell? :) |
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| 05:00.25 | TCW_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I can't |
| 05:00.29 | TCW_ | is an angel :) |
| 05:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !shoot TCW_ |
| 05:00.38 | dpkg | blows TCW_ away with a wand of fireballs |
| 05:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | har har |
| 05:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | could never stand angels |
| 05:01.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually |
| 05:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | trips TCW_ up |
| 05:01.12 | scribeskul | could never stand ON angels |
| 05:01.18 | TCW_ | CutMeOwnThroat, did you ever try to kill an angel before? Hint, how you tried it... won't work ;) |
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| 05:01.33 | ranix | he's gone |
| 05:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW_, no, I but I tripped you up successfully, which makes you - technically and really - a "fallen angel" - rings a bell? |
| 05:02.18 | TCW_ | CutMeOwnThroat, that's rhetoric bullshit, sorry :-P |
| 05:02.34 | TCW_ | That won't work on angels either :) |
| 05:02.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCW_, so yo usay, lord of lies! |
| 05:02.40 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: so is there anything i can do to get ./configure to work? |
| 05:02.55 | PathagenX | Pitty. I just figured out how to dump a driver and use it in OSX |
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| 05:03.18 | mu-dev | EarLy: look at configure.in |
| 05:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, what ./configure? and what's the problem now? I thought you're now on lenny and so can get libc6-dev? |
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| 05:03.48 | jamon | yar EarLy, one thing at a time |
| 05:03.51 | kunwon1 | PathagenX, what the fuck does that mean? you still haven't answered me. What's the command to 'dump' it? |
| 05:04.38 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm trying to configure rTorrent |
| 05:04.48 | PathagenX | It's a bit complicated but it involves an ssh connection to the Hadron control interface and a hacky twist on quatum physics. |
| 05:05.43 | kunwon1 | PathagenX, perhaps you should go |
| 05:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, and what's the problem with that? there's a package for it, so should be a simple 'aptitude install rtorrent' |
| 05:06.10 | PathagenX | Perhaps you should not believe everything someone says on the internet. |
| 05:06.25 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: subversion |
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| 05:07.28 | kunwon1 | man, this place is more like #ubuntu every day x.x |
| 05:07.35 | PathagenX | You can't dump a driver. The best I could do to try and figure what he meant was 'dumping' device info to a text file, for later reference but that is not what he wanted. |
| 05:07.58 | CapaH | Is there any "difference" between hitting 2 on the numpad, and 2 on the keyboard? I am trying to figure out why a certain WINE application seems to accept one and not the other |
| 05:08.17 | PathagenX | So I don't know how to dump a driver and I do not even know what or how the idea was spawned. |
| 05:08.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | kunwon1, indeed... could be helped by kicking half of the people in here, though |
| 05:08.46 | Presently42 | jamon: The unencrypted is having no effect; all is as it was, namely, slow. |
| 05:08.49 | kunwon1 | PathagenX, I thought you were the other guy, actually. Sorry about that. |
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| 05:09.04 | PathagenX | Oh. Forgiven |
| 05:09.11 | scribeskul | ahhh...can't install backports from synaptic i suppose...works with apt-get though |
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| 05:09.29 | PathagenX | Yea he was annoying. He thought he was smart though, so I am sure he escaped with his ego intact. |
| 05:09.29 | kunwon1 | I'm just an undercover troll anyway |
| 05:09.30 | jamon | Presently42: ouch, any way you can test with a cheapo usb adapter then? |
| 05:09.31 | dazoe | I have a debian server and i have phpmyadmin installed on it but i can't view the binary log, any ideas like where i should look for errors? |
| 05:09.34 | kunwon1 | don't mind me |
| 05:09.46 | ranix | I don't know if he escaped unscathe |
| 05:09.47 | ranix | d |
| 05:09.48 | Presently42 | jamon: I don't own one. |
| 05:10.10 | jamon | $15 and you will ;) |
| 05:10.10 | ranix | the dig I got in about baking him a cake with cursive writing on it (can you read that?) was pretty harsh |
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| 05:10.26 | Presently42 | jamon: |
| 05:10.53 | jamon | Presently42: check http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ for hardware |
| 05:11.06 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: i need the subversion for the new features and it also allows me to run WebUI |
| 05:11.32 | jamon | or http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Devices/USB Presently42 |
| 05:11.39 | Presently42 | jamon: Woops. I wanted to say that I might look in to that, if the usb is any better than what I already have. And that I just tested the speed; it is at 24.5 KB/s, down from 630KB/s. |
| 05:11.43 | ranix | webui is lame EarLy |
| 05:11.48 | ranix | check Torrentflux |
| 05:11.52 | Presently42 | jamon: Looking now. |
| 05:11.59 | TCW_ | CapaH, yes, there is a difference, don't ask me for the details, I just know thy have different key-codes, see xev |
| 05:12.03 | kunwon1 | i second the suggestion of torrentflux |
| 05:12.09 | scribeskul | 15% to WESNOTH multiplayer heaven haha! |
| 05:12.27 | ranix | gives kunwon1 a high-five! |
| 05:12.34 | CapaH | xev + |
| 05:12.34 | EarLy | ranix: don't need torrentflux. only rtorrent |
| 05:12.37 | PathagenX | The Linux/Wireless relationship is still on shaky terms. Don't be slow to accept small victories when you are mercifully given them. |
| 05:12.38 | kunwon1 | ^5! |
| 05:12.43 | CapaH | xev? |
| 05:12.46 | jonas21 | just a note apparently virtualbox has been bumped to 1.6.6 in but the 1.6.6 kernel modules are still stuck in sid |
| 05:12.53 | scribeskul | Transmission is a nice torrent program as well... simple, but i like it! |
| 05:13.09 | ranix | hellanzb is epic |
| 05:13.14 | TCW_ | CapaH, it is an application, a tool, a binary... shipped with X |
| 05:13.15 | jonas21 | pinning that package to sid worked fine on my lenny system. |
| 05:13.16 | kunwon1 | Transmission is great |
| 05:13.29 | PathagenX | I hung in #ubuntu for a while. |
| 05:13.34 | PathagenX | It was painful. |
| 05:13.38 | ranix | PathagenX: my sympathies |
| 05:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, run apt-get build-deps rtorrent before compiling the newer version |
| 05:13.47 | ranix | PathagenX: did they know how to dump a driver |
| 05:13.57 | scribeskul | PathagenX: I'm sorry... do you need anything? cup of tea and psychological counseling perhaps hehe |
| 05:14.08 | ranix | PathagenX: they know how to dump all over package maintenance |
| 05:14.11 | TCW_ | CutMeOwnThroat, why does he need to compile rtorrent? I did miss the whole discussion :) |
| 05:14.12 | ranix | acid burn |
| 05:14.18 | PathagenX | I think so. It's a tribe secret, passed from nub to nub through many generations of nubs. |
| 05:14.36 | TCW_ | hmm... did I miss it? Maybe... ignored would fit better :) |
| 05:14.46 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: Invalid operation build-deps |
| 05:14.46 | PathagenX | On the upside, it made me like Win support more. |
| 05:15.01 | kunwon1 | TCW_, user desires moar features |
| 05:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, build-dep |
| 05:15.26 | TCW_ | kunwon1, all the time those damn users! :) |
| 05:15.33 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: Build-dependencies for rtorrent could not be satisfied. |
| 05:15.37 | kunwon1 | lusers! |
| 05:15.41 | jamon | PathagenX: win support blargh a blargh blargh, i can't hear you |
| 05:15.43 | CapaH | I figured out part of my problem. Each time I push a key on my external USB numpad it turns NUMLOCK on briefly (during the time of the keypress) -- how can I FORCE numlock to stay off no matter what? i.e. disable numlock ? |
| 05:15.43 | scribeskul | I've never even put a Ubuntu CD in the drive, but I'm guessing its for Windows users who want to still use windows, just not windows...hehe |
| 05:15.45 | PathagenX | Instead of dumb questions like 'How do I get Google in Outlook' you get questions like 'I miraculously installed a pile of crap and now my network is not working. Fix it! |
| 05:16.19 | kunwon1 | Ubuntu is great, just the channel kind of has a shitty S:N |
| 05:16.40 | jonas21 | railing on ubuntu or their channel isn't really productive :) |
| 05:16.48 | PathagenX | You ahh.. Sorry what? .. Tried compiling your own kernel... Great.. How long have you been using Ubuntu? .. 2 days? Awesome... |
| 05:17.03 | ranix | this channel has a snitty s:n also, but there's more tolerance for off-topic discussion and more people than #debian-offtopic on irc.debian.org |
| 05:17.13 | Doctor-Steve | im trying to install the nvidia drivers via the nvidia assistant.... but i cant find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 05:17.13 | scribeskul | I didn't mean to 'rail' on them, i honestly was asking that? haha! |
| 05:17.14 | kunwon1 | PathagenX, you can't say that doesn't happen a lot here too |
| 05:17.17 | ranix | sometimes I want to act stupid on the internet |
| 05:17.17 | scientes | can i uninstall debian rubygems and install the real one without losing all my gems? |
| 05:17.19 | Doctor-Steve | any source i need? |
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| 05:17.53 | PathagenX | Yea well, it takes longer for us to get pissed here. Ubuntu has stupid blasted at them every second of every day and they get short. |
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| 05:18.10 | TCW_ | very interesting... every time compiz crashes, it crashes iceweasel too... it may be the other way around, no idea... but every other app survives that crash without an issue... weird :) |
| 05:18.12 | ranix | I didn't know non-stupids used ubuntu |
| 05:18.45 | ganes | grub has gone im partition .. how to recover & boot into the partition |
| 05:18.57 | kunwon1 | look at ubuntu users as potential future debian users |
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| 05:19.00 | kunwon1 | that was my path :) |
| 05:19.03 | PathagenX | Intelligent people have been known to use Ubuntu.. They soon have the sane sucked out of them though. |
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| 05:19.16 | Doctor-Steve | can anyone help me installing Nvidia drivers |
| 05:19.16 | TCW_ | ganes, didn't get your question... |
| 05:19.29 | ranix | Doctor-Steve: short answer, no |
| 05:19.30 | TCW_ | Doctor-Steve, wrong question |
| 05:19.33 | scribeskul | PathagenX: I think things like stupid questions develop from the overwhelming short attention spans combined with noone reading books anymore... I have the same problem when I try to help people on Windows and MAcs, etc... (My Job)... |
| 05:19.41 | ganes | grub loading error in my system .. |
| 05:19.44 | ranix | !tell Doctor-Steve about ask |
| 05:19.57 | Presently | jamon: Well, I that's that done; encryption makes no difference. |
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| 05:20.24 | ganes | TCW_, grub loading error in my system .. |
| 05:20.25 | Doctor-Steve | kk ranix, i cant work out how the hell to install nvidia to my debian install..... |
| 05:20.37 | ranix | Doctor-Steve: try being a little more specific, we might be able to point you in slightly a better direction. Nvidia drivers are poor, though - I have faith you will get them working, but it will take a few hours of you being pissed off first and there's not much we can do to avoid that |
| 05:20.40 | Doctor-Steve | ranix, which method do i use? it has 4 diff methods in the wiki |
| 05:20.51 | ganes | TCW_, how to recover this & to boot into that partition |
| 05:21.04 | PathagenX | scribeskul, The big difference is that there is no tutorials on altering the underlying NT or Darwin system of Windows or Mac. Linux documentation explains all kind of ways for nubs to kill their system. |
| 05:21.05 | ranix | Doctor-Steve: I would personally start with The Debian Way, and then try the proprietary install |
| 05:21.09 | TCW_ | ganes, and what is the actual error? |
| 05:21.20 | ranix | Doctor-Steve: actually now I would just do the proprietary and skip the debian way |
| 05:21.30 | jonas21 | i'd use module-assistant |
| 05:21.33 | ranix | Doctor-Steve: but that is bad advice |
| 05:21.40 | ranix | module-assistant is more correct |
| 05:21.57 | Doctor-Steve | jonas21, but i cant find the nvidia-kernel-common package |
| 05:21.59 | TCW_ | ranix, btw. nvidia works just great here... just btw :) |
| 05:22.00 | ganes | TCW_, when the system trying to boot it shows grub eroor 22 |
| 05:22.09 | Doctor-Steve | what source do i need to ge it? |
| 05:22.12 | ganes | sorry error |
| 05:22.14 | TCW_ | ganes, now we are getting somewhere :) |
| 05:22.22 | PathagenX | I don't understand the new Linux systems anymore. I got lost around udev and haven't clawed my way back since. |
| 05:22.28 | jonas21 | do you have non-free in your apt sources file |
| 05:22.45 | scribeskul | PathagenX: But it really is all the same...People who want to use Linux have a higher understanding (normally) of computer systems... If you take away that understanding, you begin to see the similarities between someone messing up a kernel compile, for instance, and someone accidentally formatting their hard drive on windows, or downloading all sorts of needless advertisement/shareware/trial programs |
| 05:22.54 | TCW_ | ganes, did grub work before or is it a permanent issue on that box? If it worked before, what did you do? |
| 05:23.21 | scribeskul | PathagenX: it all comes down to being able to comprehend what is read. Comprehension is the culprit, i feel. |
| 05:23.38 | PathagenX | scribeskul, Curse the corporate computer industry, eh? |
| 05:24.00 | pkcahier | does anyone know if there are any debs/patches to get geoip? |
| 05:24.03 | Presently | jamon: Now this is interesting. I just did an lspci -v and looked at the wireless card: It has changed. It used to be AR5212. Now, it says AR5001X+. What could this mean? |
| 05:24.04 | ranix | scribeskul: not really. Messing up a kernel compile imparts knowledge of things like gcc and make and what a kernel is. If you fuck up compiling kernels enough times, you will still have at least a vague understanding of what GCC does the next time you see it. Contrast, when you nuke windows, all you gain is stress |
| 05:24.07 | pkcahier | (with recent 2.6kernels) |
| 05:24.22 | Doctor-Steve | so which source do i enable to get the nvidia-kernel-common package ?? |
| 05:24.23 | ganes | before it worked .. somebody used my system .. i didnt know what happen but grub folder is there |
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| 05:24.58 | scribeskul | ranix: True, but I'm getting at the point that both those instances could possibly be resolved, or at least helped, by people taking the time to read and comprehend, and/or ask a few questions.. |
| 05:25.08 | PathagenX | I can barely imagine a world anymore, when I have any idea what my computer is doing. |
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| 05:25.13 | TCW_ | ganes, please highlight my nick, I work btw |
| 05:25.25 | ranix | scribeskul: ah right. On the plus side, you wouldn't even be able to start a kernel compile without reading ;) |
| 05:25.37 | ranix | it's pretty easy to accidentally format your hard drive in comparison |
| 05:25.50 | TCW_ | ganes, on what system are you right now? |
| 05:25.58 | jonas21 | Doctor-Steve, add 'non-free' to one of your debian sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:26.06 | TCW_ | ganes, I assume not the one with the broken grub? |
| 05:26.08 | scribeskul | ranix: hehe! absolutely! I have to say though, Windows has kept me in business for SO many years! I love the fact that they try to make it 'easier' for the home user, because when something goes wrong, they have NO CLUE what to do, and end up calling me to help them haha |
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| 05:26.15 | ganes | now im using my friend system |
| 05:26.27 | ganes | TCW_, now im using my friend system |
| 05:26.28 | ranix | scribeskul: eh I would have a job either way. |
| 05:26.36 | TCW_ | ganes, any live CD like knoppix or grml lying around? |
| 05:26.52 | ganes | ganes, yeah |
| 05:27.07 | ganes | i have |
| 05:27.15 | TCW_ | ganes, you do not need to highlight yourself :-P |
| 05:27.16 | ranix | the idea of "press all the buttons in every possible order until it works" being an acceptable configuration paradigm now because of Windows is offensive to me |
| 05:27.26 | PathagenX | and besides. Helping newbies and laughing at nubbys feels good. |
| 05:27.30 | TCW_ | ganes, great, what kind of live CD is that? |
| 05:27.31 | ganes | TCW_, sorry due to tense |
| 05:27.39 | scribeskul | ranix: That's why I've recently converted completely to Linux systems here at home. I want to be able to do something more than Windows Networks and removing porn and programs from home user XP and vista machines. I'm working towards my Security_ and Linux+ certs, as well as my bachelors in Network Administration right now... |
| 05:27.41 | Doctor-Steve | jonas21... so like 'deb http://us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib' what part do i swap to non-free? |
| 05:27.43 | Dominicus | Anyone know of a good source to find out whether it's appropriate/desirable to download source code for something, then to compile and turn it into a debian package? And how to do it? (best practices please). For example, i want to troubleshoot my wine install from the debian stable repository, but I need to ugrade to the llatest stable which isn't available via the repository, so i'll need... |
| 05:27.45 | Dominicus | ...to roll my own, and I don't know where to start. |
| 05:27.52 | TCW_ | ganes, relax... no need to :) |
| 05:27.55 | ganes | TCW_, debian based |
| 05:28.08 | ranix | scribeskul: sounds like a waste of time to me |
| 05:28.10 | TCW_ | ganes, a bit more specific would be great |
| 05:28.10 | jonas21 | just put it on the end there, Doctor-Steve |
| 05:28.15 | ranix | I'm certified in nothing |
| 05:28.16 | Doctor-Steve | thanks :) |
| 05:28.19 | jonas21 | then do an `apt-get update` and try again |
| 05:28.24 | ganes | TCW_, ubuntu |
| 05:28.41 | TCW_ | ganes, *eeks* now I know why you tried to hide that :) |
| 05:28.45 | ranix | well, I'm a certified high school graduate |
| 05:28.49 | jonas21 | it might fail due to lack of compilation tools & libraries, but if it does it will tell you how to fix it |
| 05:28.54 | jonas21 | i believe it's something like m-a prepare |
| 05:28.56 | ranix | I have a certificate to prove it |
| 05:29.05 | Presently | Blah. I am hungry and shall tackle this problem later. Cheers. |
| 05:29.15 | scribeskul | ranix: as much as some people don't buy into certs and the like, they have done nothing but HELP me in my line of work. to each his own though, and if you already have a great job, i can see your point. Around where i live, the littlest edge is well worth it..jobs are sparse here. |
| 05:29.22 | PathagenX | My puppy is teething.. It's like having a furniture addicted beaver in the house. |
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| 05:29.26 | TCW_ | ganes, no idea about that live CD, it may not have the essential tools on it, but we will see... insert it and boot the box from it |
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| 05:29.45 | TCW_ | not essential, necessary even |
| 05:30.15 | ranix | scribeskul: I don't have a great job, but I find the certificate process offensive. Especially so considering my current job is talking to dumbfuck IT guys who have all those certificates and need to call me for help installing a printer |
| 05:30.27 | PathagenX | Why is it that everyone things that Debian is 'The Linux' though? |
| 05:30.46 | ganes | TCW_, yeah did |
| 05:31.08 | Doctor-Steve | jonas21, added the non-free.... ran apt-get update and still nothing... |
| 05:31.59 | scribeskul | ranix: I AGREE that all certs prove is that someone can retain what they read, and the actual practical side of it most techs miss. I see that alot too here. But it's a 'play the game' thing for me. When people around here look at resumes, they, unfortunately, look for those certs and degrees. I don't stand a chance, even IF i know I am better suited for the job. Ya feel me. Sometimes I wish i lived in an area that had more op |
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| 05:32.18 | PathagenX | Hey guys.. |
| 05:32.23 | TCW_ | ganes, open a terminal app, get root (probably "sudo su" I guess) and mount type "fdisk -l" find your root partition |
| 05:32.45 | TCW_ | err... s/mount// |
| 05:32.46 | PathagenX | I am running xfce {sigh} and I dist-upgraded from Etch to Lenny this morning |
| 05:32.54 | ganes | TCW_, ok did |
| 05:32.55 | ranix | scribeskul: gotta do what you gotta do. It's all good by me until you call me for help because you installed Creatures 2 on your ultrasound machine |
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| 05:33.16 | scribeskul | ranix: I'm hoping that wasn't an actual call haha! |
| 05:33.17 | TCW_ | ganes, what is your root partition? Do you have a seperate boot partition too? |
| 05:33.22 | ranix | scribeskul: wrong |
| 05:33.26 | ganes | TCW_, 13 th partition |
| 05:33.32 | PathagenX | I just found out that when I go to user interface settings (gtk themes/fonts/icon settings) everything is blocky 'missing font character' |
| 05:33.33 | PathagenX | wtf? |
| 05:33.39 | ganes | TCW_, no |
| 05:33.43 | TCW_ | ganes, 13th partition?! |
| 05:33.50 | PathagenX | try font update I guess I realise as the first thing to try |
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| 05:33.50 | ganes | TCW_, yes |
| 05:34.04 | TCW_ | ganes, what do you mean with "13th partition"? |
| 05:34.08 | ranix | scribeskul: you should see what IT departments were like in Louisiana after the storm |
| 05:34.16 | ranix | it was horrifying |
| 05:34.27 | PathagenX | ;.... That sounds unlucky |
| 05:34.39 | scribeskul | ranix: you're down in LA then? I'm up in central Pennsylvania, and it's just horrifying normally here haha |
| 05:34.40 | PathagenX | Both numeric and system wise |
| 05:34.42 | ranix | at least five times I swear I had to talk to "the guy who looted radio shack" because he was the most qualified IT guy |
| 05:34.46 | ganes | TCW_, that is root partition .. i have many partitions which stored data |
| 05:34.56 | ranix | no I'm up in Rhode Island, but my company does stuff nationwide |
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| 05:35.04 | ganes | TCW_, then what to do |
| 05:35.35 | scribeskul | ranix: hopefully I can find something up here soon. Like I said, it's rough trying to find a good tech job without relocating. |
| 05:36.02 | TCW_ | ganes, err... you are familiar with linux in general? Sorry, I had the impression you are very new to this... I expected you say something like "My root partition is hda1 and I have no seperate boot partition" or similar :) |
| 05:36.06 | ranix | scribeskul: I haven't tried yet, I'm going to have to relocate just to get a good education unless I hit MIT |
| 05:36.21 | PathagenX | hda13: The Coming of Deathbuntu! |
| 05:36.54 | TCW_ | ganes, anyway, mount that partition to whatever path you want, make sure it is mounted with -o dev |
| 05:37.02 | PathagenX | actually.. it would be extended.. so hda18.. But that's not as scary. |
| 05:37.22 | ganes | TCW_, i m somewhat familiar with linux |
| 05:37.35 | TCW_ | as I think of it, -o dev may not be necessary, as it is not lilo :) |
| 05:37.53 | ganes | TCW_, tell me the command to recover the grub thats enough to me |
| 05:38.14 | TCW_ | ganes, it is man grub... |
| 05:38.28 | PathagenX | Necromancy: What every linux helper is expected to know. |
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| 05:39.01 | ganes | TCW_, can you write the command based on the partition 13 |
| 05:39.05 | Dominicus | Can anyone point me to a good authoritativee reference for compiling software for debian? Like say, "Wine"? |
| 05:39.22 | TCW_ | ganes, no offense, but there is no single command to recover grub... as of now there could be several eroors which prevent grub from working correctly... so I would suggest you paste the layout of your harddisk and the contents of menu.lst |
| 05:39.34 | PathagenX | Thankyou for a great question, Dominicus! |
| 05:39.50 | PathagenX | Still. You could have googled. |
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| 05:39.53 | TCW_ | ganes, is your partition table SO private? |
| 05:40.12 | scribeskul | why google when we can 'PathagenX'! |
| 05:40.14 | scribeskul | hehe |
| 05:40.29 | ganes | TCW_, please any debian FAQ related to this .. i will try myself |
| 05:40.45 | PathagenX | careful TCW_, Scary things come out of the 13th level of hell's PTable. |
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| 05:41.14 | TCW_ | ganes, grub docs? |
| 05:41.28 | ganes | TCW_, ok |
| 05:41.45 | Dominicus | PathagenX: Google doesn't rate the quality of website pages. That's why I asked in here. I want to know good quality documents to work from, not randomly bad ones that teach deprecated ways of doing things that I wouldn't be able to recognize, since I'm new to Debian. |
| 05:41.45 | TCW_ | .oO( is he kidding? ) |
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| 05:42.13 | scribeskul | great rebuttal |
| 05:42.14 | PathagenX | Dominicus, I can't help you, sorry. My router has gone on the fritz once more. |
| 05:42.30 | scribeskul | ooo, but deflected again by PathagonX |
| 05:42.42 | scribeskul | it's a regular 'debian' ping pong match! |
| 05:42.49 | Dominicus | Honestly, what use are bots like this, other than to generate spam? wtf |
| 05:43.13 | PathagenX | Dominicus, and use freaken google. Compiling anything for a Linux distro has not changed since 1994 |
| 05:43.25 | scribeskul | wait a minute...did he just call me a bot |
| 05:43.28 | scribeskul | haha |
| 05:43.33 | PathagenX | ./configure --prefix=/somewhere; make; make install. |
| 05:43.33 | ranix | scribeskul: shut up bot |
| 05:43.34 | ranix | !bot |
| 05:43.34 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 05:43.40 | amphi | Dominicus: why are you compiling wine? it's in debian, I believe |
| 05:43.51 | Dominicus | scribeskul: No, I called PathagenX a bot. |
| 05:44.07 | ranix | !PathagenX is a bot |
| 05:44.07 | dpkg | okay, ranix |
| 05:44.09 | scribeskul | oh...ok then. |
| 05:44.17 | Dominicus | amphi: the debian version is old, and not usable for asking questions against in the wine channel. |
| 05:44.27 | PathagenX | I can't do that, Dave. |
| 05:44.43 | ranix | PathagenX: you are a poor excuse for a human |
| 05:44.49 | ranix | PathagenX: you fail the turing test |
| 05:44.52 | PathagenX | XD |
| 05:44.54 | scribeskul | yeah, you bot! |
| 05:45.07 | PathagenX | Dominicus, Why don't you google "compiling WINE" |
| 05:45.08 | scribeskul | failed the drug test too |
| 05:45.16 | ranix | there should be a turing test for counter strike players |
| 05:45.20 | amphi | Dominicus: did you check for a backport? |
| 05:45.28 | PathagenX | kids these days CAN'T google. It is scary. |
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| 05:45.43 | ranix | Dominicus: wine-hq has a debian repository |
| 05:45.48 | Dominicus | PathagenX: Maybe you should google for what I've already googled. =P |
| 05:45.49 | scribeskul | i used to yahoo...before that i alta vista'd a few times...hell, i've even dogpiled hehe |
| 05:45.53 | ranix | Dominicus: get their binaryu |
| 05:45.57 | ranix | -u |
| 05:46.19 | PathagenX | Dominicus, Computer says "No". |
| 05:46.51 | Dominicus | ranix: I'm not able to access it, and I've already tried asking around, no one has offered to help me with it. =( And the winehq page for debian doesn't list a binary, it just references the repository that I can't make work. |
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| 05:47.24 | scribeskul | what happened to Pathagen A thru W? |
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| 05:48.06 | PathagenX | Dominicus: tar -zxf wineblah.tar.gz; cd wineblah; ./configure --prefix=/usr;make;sudo make-install |
| 05:48.42 | PathagenX | shockingly similar to the depreciated ways of the 90s |
| 05:49.37 | PathagenX | and the prefix is just being fancy. You can leave that out and just compile to local |
| 05:49.39 | scribeskul | ahh the 90s! Pearl Jam, flannel, ripped jeans and thermals, and gas at .89 cents a gallon! memories... |
| 05:51.09 | scribeskul | It seems just like it was yesterday that i was listening to nirvana, tripping out on some gel-tabs, and headbanging my long hair around... |
| 05:51.58 | PathagenX | I once ate a prefix. Couldn't poop it out until I found a publiic toilet in the right town. Made me glad that I had my locale set right. |
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| 05:52.32 | oOarthurOo | is lm-sensors the only way to read my cpu temp? My fan is turning on and off all the time, so it must be reading it already. |
| 05:53.23 | scribeskul | PathagenX: You gotta make sure you don't get your 'pipe' dirty when you use a prefix you know... |
| 05:53.46 | PathagenX | I better reboot before I get in trouble for being too geeky. |
| 05:53.48 | PathagenX | brb |
| 05:54.27 | PeterFA | Ok, if I understand Debian development: Sid basically is like dripping packages from a ceiling of testing, which fall onto a layer of packages that in time will be hardened and then polished, and then a new layer starts, eh? |
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| 05:55.33 | scribeskul | welp, off to play some wesnoth before I pass out. You've been a great IRC channel! I mean that! Give yourselfs a hand! Go On! |
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| 05:57.30 | oOarthurOo | I found that this will get me a temp cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ0 but there are four thermal zones and each has a different temp |
| 05:59.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, to fulfil the build dependencies your best bet is to call apt-cache showsrc rtorrent and install all the packages mentioned in the line "Build-Depends" of the newest version (one will not install without problems, though) - and the best way to build a svn rtorrent package would be to do apt-get source rtorrent and then exchange the source against the one from svn.... but essentially, if you say you're new to Gnu/linux, you sho |
| 05:59.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | uld not do all this, but stick to packages. You could check if there is a version in sid that is new enough to have the features you want and do a simple sid backport |
| 05:59.43 | helo | i don't have internet access on my lenny partition, and need to download the packages i will need to get ndiswrapper to allow me to use my wg311v3 pci wireless card |
| 06:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oOarthurOo, no, it need not - mine is doing that as well and... dunno some BIOS code or something does it |
| 06:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | or it's just a simple electical thing that is triggered when the temperature goes beyond a threshold |
| 06:01.03 | helo | anyone know what packages i will need? i don't have wpa_supplicant or anything |
| 06:01.07 | helo | wireless related |
| 06:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | oOarthurOo, oh, didn't read the 2nd part :) |
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| 06:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oOarthurOo, which kernel module does that for you? I can see my battery again, but temperature is still a mystery ... sensors-detect doesn't find them |
| 06:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... although this is an ICH6 chipset which is supported for ages according to the web |
| 06:03.48 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: thermal acpi module doesn't do it? |
| 06:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wazzit called? |
| 06:04.15 | amphi | thermal |
| 06:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so weird, that sensors-detect doesnt find it |
| 06:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's already loaded |
| 06:04.40 | amphi | acpi -t shows nothing? |
| 06:04.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I got /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ but it's empty |
| 06:05.17 | amphi | strange |
| 06:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ acpi -t |
| 06:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | No support for device type: thermal |
| 06:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
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| 06:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, shouldn't have typed that ... so fast afterwards :) |
| 06:05.47 | oOarthurOo | CutMeOwnThroat: haha.... anyway. Are you sure you have acpi installed? |
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| 06:05.51 | amphi | heh |
| 06:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't know I was that canny a fast typer |
| 06:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | , the man that writes three dots faster than Lucky Luke |
| 06:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | oOarthurOo, well, it's reading my battery... that's a pretty definite 'yes' |
| 06:07.46 | oOarthurOo | I'm on lenny, you? |
| 06:08.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | still etch on this machine, but I switched to a 2.6.26 kernel lately |
| 06:08.24 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: 'cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/temp' shows anything? |
| 06:09.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only got /sys/class/thermal/cooling_device0/ |
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| 06:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, that's interesting, though, thanks |
| 06:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't think of sys yet |
| 06:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... fascinating |
| 06:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ cat /sys/class/thermal/cooling_device0/type |
| 06:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Processor |
| 06:11.12 | EarLy | CutMeOwnThroat: i keep getting this while installing programs like xchat. how do i fix it? Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:11.13 | EarLy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | a cooling device which is a processor... now there's a thing |
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| 06:12.25 | pkcahier | what can I do to make a process that's already ionice -c3 and nice -n 15 less abusive? |
| 06:12.27 | noborusa | my server is under attack by ddos, can anyone tell me what log i should check ? |
| 06:12.56 | noborusa | i cannot log on ssh,but the datacentre tells me i can use their ssh to my server,from there ssh still works |
| 06:13.17 | noborusa | they told me this is called 'bandwidth ddos' |
| 06:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, /var/log/messages probably ... depends what they try to hit |
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| 06:13.47 | noborusa | now all the matchines which are connected to the same C class IPs are losing packages,including mine |
| 06:14.12 | shovi12 | will debian install grub--i want to dual boot with XP |
| 06:14.16 | noborusa | CutMeOwnThroat, hmmm |
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| 06:14.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | EarLy, probably depends... would need to find out what the problem with this package was |
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| 06:14.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, how about running "netstat -an" |
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| 06:15.50 | noborusa | CutMeOwnThroat, okay. |
| 06:16.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, that should give you a clue, or not? |
| 06:16.24 | noborusa | i will try,thanks |
| 06:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, also... just run "ps aux" if you see 1 million apache processes, you also know which service they use for the ddos |
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| 06:17.29 | helo | is there any way on a amd64 lenny install i can just do a aptitude install --download <packages> and get the 32-bit equivalents of the packages? |
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| 06:17.51 | msshams | how can i install new version of bios from linux? |
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| 06:18.25 | noborusa | CutMeOwnThroat, if a site has been ddosed,there should be something left in the log |
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| 06:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, not sure what one can do against a ddos, though... you can just down the service and let the firewall drop all packets... but that's kind of the effect they want to have |
| 06:18.33 | noborusa | but i am not sure where to check |
| 06:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, oh - the ddos is already over, or it's still running? |
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| 06:19.31 | noborusa | still running |
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| 06:20.03 | noborusa | now i am with the help guy from the datacentre together,also the hardware firewall maker sent a guy to here to help too. |
| 06:20.14 | noborusa | they seem they dont have a clue to fix it out |
| 06:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's your goal for now? |
| 06:20.24 | helo | what service is it dossing? |
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| 06:20.35 | noborusa | the datacentre bandwidht is 1GB or so,but now the attacker is using 500Mbit or so |
| 06:20.41 | msshams | how can i install new version of bios from linux? |
| 06:20.46 | helo | man you pissed someone off heh |
| 06:20.54 | mhymn_ | msshams: it depends on your MB vendor afaik |
| 06:21.32 | noborusa | the guy from the hardware firewall maker told the data centre this -- try stop the IP which is being attack,then do 'blank route' on the upper router |
| 06:22.16 | noborusa | CutMeOwnThroat, i will try to log on ssh then stop apache,then i think i can check the incoming ip to find a clue |
| 06:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, I'm not sure stopping apache helps so much... your machine would still send packets back that this port isn't used |
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| 06:23.14 | noborusa | oh :( |
| 06:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, would be better to make a firewall rule to just drop the packets (?) |
| 06:23.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, well, it would perhaps help a bit... depending on how effective apache still is at answering requests |
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| 06:24.41 | noborusa | CutMeOwnThroat, the attacker is using 'bandwidth ddos' |
| 06:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, of course, you can't do anything about the incoming packets, but if you just drop them, at least your machine doesn't add to the traffic |
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| 06:25.21 | noborusa | but how can they find out which IP that is from the attacker ? |
| 06:25.52 | noborusa | i asked them if they can ban them,they told me this: there are too many,and they are daymamic |
| 06:25.58 | noborusa | they are not solid ips. |
| 06:26.14 | noborusa | dynamic |
| 06:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | noborusa, yes... thats what you expect in a ddos :-P |
| 06:26.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | else it'd just be a dos :) |
| 06:26.40 | noborusa | :( |
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| 06:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ddos == distributed denial of service |
| 06:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | some guy cracked 500 windows machines and they all want something from you now |
| 06:27.28 | noborusa | they were attacking my server the last two days |
| 06:27.44 | noborusa | then, the datacentre had to cut the network off of my server |
| 06:28.01 | noborusa | they told me - the whole datacentre were starting to lose package |
| 06:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but now you're back on? |
| 06:29.07 | noborusa | exaple, server A with IP 220.140.5.4 my server, and all other servers are affected with IP ranges that are 222.140.5.0/255/255/255/0 |
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| 06:29.37 | noborusa | nocte, right now my server is affected by the attacking,because the attacker changed their tarket |
| 06:29.51 | noborusa | but this new target is in the same C class of mine |
| 06:29.53 | noborusa | :( |
| 06:31.12 | oOarthurOo | I'm reading about creating a custom kernel... I'm looking at the debian forums, Lavene's post about it. But she says that it's getting a bit old and there are newer docs available. Newer how-tos and such. I can't find anything newer than her 2006 post |
| 06:31.52 | oOarthurOo | I've also tried "/msg dpkg kernel" but nothing comes up |
| 06:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't be so many new things that it 'gets old' |
| 06:33.26 | DimmuR | oOarthurOo, http://www.howtoforge.com/howtos/linux/kernel this could help |
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| 06:34.05 | oOarthurOo | DimmuR: Awesome. Thanks |
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| 06:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | essentially you get the source-package, make sure you start out from the debian config in /boot/, patch or whatever you want, let make-kpkg do the rest and hope :) |
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| 06:41.41 | PathagenX | wb? Why thankyou so much. |
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| 06:50.03 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question how do you changed the tty fonts? |
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| 06:52.22 | ChrisW | hi all, how would I go about setting up a user that can only be used to sftp to or from one directory on a server? |
| 06:52.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !console fonts |
| 06:52.44 | dpkg | If your console fonts settings have been changed, you can reset them using the consolechars command. The default font is default 8x*. |
| 06:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, dunno what you want.. chroot probably? |
| 06:53.54 | TiMiDo | CutMeOwnThroat, where are the fonts located it at? |
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| 06:54.42 | ChrisW | CutMeOwnThroat: I was thinking maybe there'd be a way to limit using the authorized_keys file... |
| 06:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | TiMiDo, I suggest you read a bit in /usr/share/doc/console-data/fonts/ - I've never really changed those |
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| 06:55.18 | TiMiDo | findfont: No such file or directory |
| 06:55.19 | TiMiDo | Cannot open font file `/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic'. |
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| 06:56.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell TiMiDo about apt-file |
| 06:56.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | TiMiDo, search for the package things that you find missing with apt-file |
| 06:57.05 | ChrisW | hmm, I guess maybe chroot it'd have to be |
| 06:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, I doubt it you can have a restricted shell also, but that won'd do you much good for sftp, I guess |
| 06:57.26 | ChrisW | where can I find out about setting up a chroot'ed environment for one user? |
| 06:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !chroot |
| 06:57.59 | dpkg | from memory, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 06:58.03 | Doctor-Steve | i keep trying to install debian but now with non-free nvidia drivers that ive installed it and rebooted the computer, now the screen just goes black whenever i boot after doing the whole start up phase.... |
| 06:58.17 | Doctor-Steve | followed the EXACT guide in the wiki |
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| 06:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Doctor-Steve, life is one of the toughest... |
| 06:58.58 | Doctor-Steve | CutMeOwnThroat, any way i can fix it? |
| 06:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... in the worst case, ask nvidia.. they made that |
| 06:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | look if the nvidia module is really loaded |
| 06:59.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | look out for the error in dmesg if it's not |
| 07:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors |
| 07:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | other than no screens found |
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| 07:01.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | check in the BTS if there are known problems (/msg dpkg BTS) |
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| 07:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | modprobe nvidia ; dmesg |tail #to check for errors |
| 07:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's not loaded |
| 07:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | good night |
| 07:03.44 | ChrisW | hmm, I wasn't aware you had to set up a whole new os install on the machine for chroot... am I missing something? |
| 07:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 07:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 07:04.03 | Doctor-Steve | giving up on debian guys :( maybe once it has a bit more support for new nvidia cards ill come back |
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| 07:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need /dev and all the programs the users(s) need |
| 07:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 07:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and for that I typed until my fingers started to bleed |
| 07:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and of course the fucker didn't any of the things I suggested |
| 07:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, what is it you *really* want to do? |
| 07:06.26 | ChrisW | CutMeOwnThroat: I did say initially ;-) |
| 07:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, not in a way that I really understood it |
| 07:06.47 | ChrisW | I want to set up a user who can only sftp, and can only sftp to or from one particular directory ;-) |
| 07:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about using normal ftp? |
| 07:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 07:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | the problem is just that sftp is some hackish type of solution |
| 07:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sftp |
| 07:08.41 | dpkg | somebody said sftp was a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp, the server is in the package openssh-server. For windows clients, see http://winscp.net/ or http://filezilla.sf.net/, or ask me about <scp><sshfs> |
| 07:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, it's just using normal ssh |
| 07:09.57 | ChrisW | sftp is not my choice, but it's a million times more preferable that ftp |
| 07:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but to set up what you want with ftp is - afair - simple |
| 07:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, it's a bugger |
| 07:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ftp is not really a nice protocol |
| 07:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and all that scp / sftp stuff is just hacked together from pieces |
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| 07:12.15 | ChrisW | judging but the volume of your responses, I'm guessing you don't actually have an answer? ;-) |
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| 07:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, use ftp |
| 07:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | or put the user in a chroot jail |
| 07:13.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not *MY* fault you don't like the available solutions |
| 07:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might also be able to do something with a restricted shell... |
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| 07:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but all this restricted-shell stuff is not SO secure |
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| 07:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, man bash, search for ^RESTRICTED SHELL |
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| 07:15.42 | xulf | hey |
| 07:16.10 | xulf | lets say I want to just switch my motherboard to a completely different type.. It does not boot and how do I fix this? |
| 07:16.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, with that you could disallow 'cd'ing, in effect rkeeping the guy within one directory |
| 07:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | xulf, use an i386 type kernel for starters |
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| 07:18.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, so giving him an rbash shell would roughly do what you want, it seems |
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| 07:18.25 | ChrisW | *nods* I'll take a look |
| 07:18.28 | ChrisW | thanks |
| 07:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if sftp works with that) |
| 07:18.52 | mad_muppet | I am trying to add a gateway to my network card using route add gw 10.1.1.1 and it says no address associated with that name? |
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| 07:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and still restricted shells are known for something you can break out of... there's just too many possibilities on a system (like calling vi then getting a shell outside vi) |
| 07:20.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, I faintly remember, that one should regard things like a restricted shell not as a real security measure, but more like a "recommendation" from the admin... |
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| 07:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mad_muppet, you didn't supply the name of the network card in the command? :) |
| 07:21.07 | ChrisW | cool, I'll have a dig, bye for now :-) |
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| 07:24.10 | mad_muppet | I have screwed up my network .. anyone know where I can find some good ideas to get it back? |
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| 07:27.47 | dazoe | how can i get a list of packages that have been deleted but not purged? |
| 07:28.27 | \amethyst | dazoe: dpkg -l | grep ^.c |
| 07:28.55 | \amethyst | dazoe: though technically that will show half-installed packages too |
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| 07:29.35 | dazoe | half-installed? |
| 07:30.40 | \amethyst | dazoe: actually, sorry, that would be a different state |
| 07:30.58 | stew | dazoe: "aptitude search '~c'" is another way |
| 07:31.12 | mhymn_ | dazoe: "dpkg --get-selections | grep -i deinstalled" the 3d! |
| 07:31.41 | stew | mhymn_: no, --get-selection doesn't say anything about the package state |
| 07:32.44 | mhymn_ | stew: what do you mean? it simply shows the list of packages and their state (installed-deinstalled) |
| 07:32.45 | \amethyst | dazoe: half-installed is when the configuration of the package failed, and then aborting the installation/upgrade failed as well. But that would be 'h' not 'c' |
| 07:32.59 | \amethyst | mhymn_: not the state, but the selection |
| 07:33.01 | stew | mhymn_: not their state, but their desired state |
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| 07:33.46 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | when the lenny will become the stable relase? |
| 07:33.47 | nocte | noborusa: ? |
| 07:33.49 | \amethyst | mhymn_: if you mark a package (with dselect or aptitude) to be installed, but don't actually install it, it will still be listed as 'install' there |
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| 07:34.03 | noborusa | nocte, ? |
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| 07:34.17 | stew | mhymn_: like "echo foo install | dpkg --set-selections" would change the output of --get-selections to say "foo install" but it doesn't actually install foo, it just says that you want dselect to install the package |
| 07:34.18 | nocte | 07:29 < noborusa> nocte, right now my server is affected by the attacking,because the attacker changed their tarket |
| 07:34.23 | nocte | who are you |
| 07:34.39 | noborusa | nocte, right now they are still attacking my server with ddos :( |
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| 07:35.05 | stew | fdfsdfhdsklfsd: when it no longer has release critical bugs: /msg dpkg rc bugs |
| 07:35.15 | mhymn_ | hmm, good point, thanks \amethyst and stew |
| 07:35.59 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | stew, do you thing this month is a good preview? |
| 07:36.16 | stew | fdfsdfhdsklfsd: what do you mean 'preview'? |
| 07:37.47 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | hmmm just a date that you think the version will be relased |
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| 07:38.27 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | wow is there 1k bugs to solve... probably this will be realsed in 10 years haha |
| 07:39.15 | stew | fdfsdfhdsklfsd: no, you should be looking at the "Number concerning the next release" |
| 07:39.41 | nocte | noborusa: and ? who are you ? |
| 07:40.04 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | 142... do you think they can solve in 1 month? steve |
| 07:40.20 | stew | fdfsdfhdsklfsd: probably not |
| 07:40.29 | stew | and by "they" you mean "we" |
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| 07:40.40 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | yes |
| 07:40.45 | stew | !siyh |
| 07:40.46 | dpkg | siyh is, like, Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html for ideas to help lenny release soon |
| 07:41.26 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | ty =) |
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| 07:42.07 | stew | the release could also be held up depending on the outcomes of the possible votes being discussed on http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote |
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| 07:43.03 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | got it... ty =) |
| 07:43.05 | ubd | hello to open transmission i use trickle -u 10 -d 80 transmission" then if i close the terminal will trickle go off or nothing changes |
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| 07:45.13 | mhymn_ | fdfsdfhdsklfsd: don't chose your nickname when you're bored or in hurry ;) |
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| 07:45.43 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | haha |
| 07:46.07 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | I can found a meaning for this letters, like an acronym if u want hehe =P |
| 07:46.24 | fdfsdfhdsklfsd | have to go... ty guys, cya =) |
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| 07:48.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | ubd, your probably closing it, so it stops downloading |
| 07:49.01 | ubd | Kamping_Kaiser, whn i close the terminal transmission stays but i am not sure about th eeffect of trickle |
| 07:49.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | ubd, not sure why transmission would run if trickle wasnt (but i dont use transmission...) |
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| 07:57.33 | oOarthurOo | what is trickle? |
| 07:58.26 | stew | oOarthurOo: apt-cache show trickle |
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| 07:59.19 | oOarthurOo | transmission has it's own bandwith limiting tools... why would you use trickle on top of that? |
| 07:59.59 | oOarthurOo | Wait... it probably let's you limit transmission in the context of overall bandwidth usage... |
| 08:00.17 | mhymn_ | already gone! |
| 08:00.39 | Jubal | I'm having a problem connecting an external USB hard drive to my Debian machine; it's not recognized when it gets plugged in, but a different USB device (a flash drive) is. The hard drive works and is getting power to it. |
| 08:00.41 | oOarthurOo | mhymn_: I know... just curious because I do use transmission and was wondering if I was missing out on something cool |
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| 08:23.22 | lewis2 | I need to replace the instance of "&" in my string with "&" |
| 08:23.32 | lewis2 | oops - let's ask in php ;) |
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| 08:29.52 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 08:38.46 | mad_muppet | I have cloned a debian box in vmware and it doesnt connect to the net .. Im new to linux so how do I got about fixing this? |
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| 08:39.59 | PathagenX | mad_muppet, |
| 08:40.23 | PathagenX | the emulator needs an interface that it caqn use |
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| 08:41.15 | mad_muppet | PathagenX: I stumbled on the answer the other day unfortunately I cant remember where .. done a lot since .. |
| 08:41.19 | PathagenX | and as long as you have that, it will do the rest. For instance, in WindowsNT you would use a connection bridge and a hacky virtual interface |
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| 08:41.58 | PathagenX | I can't tell you how to do it as I do not know. I just thought I can atleast tell you what is needed, so you might have something more to google. |
| 08:42.22 | mad_muppet | thanks for the hands up .. appreciate it |
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| 08:43.01 | PathagenX | is localhost in your hosts file? |
| 08:43.43 | mad_muppet | where would I look for that? |
| 08:44.08 | PathagenX | /etc/hosts |
| 08:44.22 | mad_muppet | k sec |
| 08:45.01 | PathagenX | I find it curious that it is very common for a Linux distro to not have that simple entry these days |
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| 08:45.34 | mad_muppet | yes I have a /etc/hosts file |
| 08:45.50 | PathagenX | does it have localhost set in it? |
| 08:46.21 | PathagenX | it should say somewhere: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 08:46.32 | mad_muppet | yes it says localhost 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:46.38 | mad_muppet | at the top of the file yeah |
| 08:46.43 | \amethyst | mad_muppet: that's backwards |
| 08:46.48 | PathagenX | my way or your way? |
| 08:46.53 | \amethyst | mad_muppet: the IP address should come first |
| 08:46.59 | PathagenX | yeash |
| 08:47.13 | mad_muppet | k your way .. |
| 08:47.32 | PathagenX | bugger. That could have been the solution right there. |
| 08:47.35 | PathagenX | so close D: |
| 08:47.48 | mad_muppet | :p |
| 08:48.41 | PathagenX | and the virtual device is set in your debian clone, with fixed addresses and is set active? |
| 08:49.23 | mad_muppet | Ill check that out |
| 08:49.51 | PathagenX | yea. that's all the advice I can give. I have not even the slightest clue how the VM bridges the virtual devices |
| 08:50.36 | PathagenX | if you have no luck, use qemu instead. Then you can get real time assistance. |
| 08:50.59 | mad_muppet | thanks for your help .. as I said earlier I appreciate it .. uhm whats qemu? |
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| 08:51.10 | PathagenX | .. |
| 08:51.22 | PathagenX | Why the hell are you not in #vmware ? |
| 08:51.34 | PathagenX | qemu is an awesome emulator |
| 08:51.47 | mad_muppet | Im using the sun xvm virtualbox |
| 08:52.02 | PathagenX | eep |
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| 08:52.33 | mad_muppet | Im learning something everyday .. :D have to check on qemu .. |
| 08:52.48 | PathagenX | <PathagenX> still, I am sure you will have more help from the strange virtual machine crowds |
| 08:52.49 | PathagenX | <PathagenX> ok afk |
| 08:52.49 | PathagenX | <PathagenX> ww |
| 08:53.34 | mad_muppet | using vmware coz Im not allowed to install linux on this comp .. wifes rules |
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| 08:53.51 | mad_muppet | but Im getting my own soon so I want to get used to it |
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| 09:11.23 | mien | Hi. i want my debian system to run /etc/init.d/ejabberd start on boot |
| 09:11.48 | mien | how do i do that? im new to debian :) |
| 09:12.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | mien, install it :) |
| 09:13.19 | mien | well. its installed allready. |
| 09:13.39 | mien | ahh. now i noticed what was worng :D |
| 09:13.40 | mien | haha |
| 09:13.50 | mien | thanks anyway :D |
| 09:13.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | :D |
| 09:14.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | mien, wish me luck, i might be about to reboot into Lenny :D |
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| 09:18.31 | mien | good luck! |
| 09:18.32 | mien | :) |
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| 09:22.58 | Agiofws | where are the time zone files in ... DEBIAN ? |
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| 09:23.58 | SlayerXP | Agiofws: "locate zoneinfo" |
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| 09:39.17 | streuner | http://paste.debian.net/21658/ - Someone has an idea about? |
| 09:40.47 | streuner | \amethyst: any idea about? ^^^^ |
| 09:42.59 | \amethyst | streuner: EUCLEAN? never seen that before |
| 09:43.13 | \amethyst | streuner: what filesystem is /usr ? |
| 09:43.26 | streuner | \amethyst: a real mess, right :-) |
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| 09:43.33 | _spm_Draget | dpkg --configure ldap-auth-client says that the package is already installed and configured. But I was never asked for the configuration. How can I force it or remove the configuration? |
| 09:43.34 | dpkg | _spm_Draget: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:44.03 | streuner | \amethyst: xfs |
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| 09:44.33 | streuner | _spm_Draget: dpkg --purge <package> |
| 09:45.14 | streuner | _spm_Draget: if the package has debconf option, just try dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
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| 09:45.55 | DireFog | is it normal that keyboard layout breaks in X every once in a while? |
| 09:46.08 | \amethyst | streuner: hm... filesystem corruption would be my guess but I don't know |
| 09:46.20 | jvm | hi. ive 'deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free' in my sources.list, but apt-get pidgin does not work. what sources should i add? |
| 09:46.35 | streuner | DireFog: unstable? sure :-) |
| 09:46.44 | DireFog | streuner: experimental even :-/ |
| 09:46.54 | streuner | slap yourself :-) |
| 09:47.01 | DireFog | it seems someone forgot to make x11-xserver-utils available there |
| 09:47.07 | \amethyst | streuner: aha |
| 09:47.19 | \amethyst | streuner: in xfs_linux.h #define EFSCORRUPTEDEUCLEAN/* Filesystem is corrupted */ |
| 09:47.21 | DireFog | yeah, time for downgrade of xserver-everything |
| 09:47.36 | _spm_Draget | streuner: thanks |
| 09:47.41 | \amethyst | streuner: time to xfs_check |
| 09:48.03 | \amethyst | streuner: err, there were supposed to be spaces between EFSCORRUPTED and EUCLEAN |
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| 09:49.17 | DexterF | greetings |
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| 09:51.50 | DexterF | need an IRC daemon for a local subnet so people in a classroom can talk to each other - what's easiest/fastest to install? security not an issue |
| 09:51.56 | _coredump_ | moinsen |
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| 09:53.25 | mhymn_ | jvm: aptitude update && aptitude install pidgin |
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| 09:55.42 | Siyabulela | anyone with experience on Epia mobo to get lmsensors to work? |
| 09:56.04 | Siyabulela | according to my googling I need c7temp which is in 2.6.27 |
| 09:56.15 | Siyabulela | compiled it but still no go |
| 09:56.22 | petemc | DexterF: hybrid was easy to get going when i tried it last a few years ago |
| 09:56.44 | DexterF | petemc: uh huh. ill check it out. |
| 09:57.57 | DexterF | petemc: repos offers oftc-hybrid - sound good? |
| 09:58.10 | vlt | Hello. My dhcp3-server just gave the same IP address to two machines. Where to look first to find out what's wrong? |
| 09:58.37 | petemc | DexterF: im pretty sure it was ircd-hybrid when i used it |
| 09:58.53 | petemc | but possibly its the same |
| 09:59.22 | DireFog | brb, nuking X server :-( |
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| 10:00.27 | DexterF | petemc: ah, found it. Adept had me there.... |
| 10:00.42 | DexterF | speaking of which: is Adept officially supported in Lenny? |
| 10:01.12 | DexterF | ok |
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| 10:11.53 | ChrisW | one of my filesystems is complaing that it's read-only |
| 10:11.55 | DireFog | ... and a few rather ugly downgrades later, my keyboard settings are back. |
| 10:12.00 | ChrisW | what would cause it to suddenyly become readonly? |
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| 10:12.14 | DireFog | but now I'm scared of touching the apt pinnings ever again :-( |
| 10:12.14 | simonrvn | fsck it |
| 10:12.50 | simonrvn | pinning is hard to get right. you shouldn't mess with it unless you have a lot of clue. |
| 10:12.58 | Guerin | ChrisW: if it's mounted with errors-remount-ro or whatever the switch is, and there was an error, that'd do it |
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| 10:13.10 | Guerin | do what simon says |
| 10:13.12 | ChrisW | how can I check how it's mounted? |
| 10:13.13 | DireFog | simonrvn: I had to downgrade parts of x.org from experimental |
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| 10:13.32 | ChrisW | what's the correct incantation to fsck it without changing anything? |
| 10:13.45 | DireFog | it would also be a bit easier if the Package line would do proper wildcard handling. |
| 10:13.51 | Guerin | ChrisW: man fsck? |
| 10:14.10 | Guerin | => z |
| 10:15.04 | ChrisW | Guerin: http://xkcd.com/293/ |
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| 10:17.28 | cousin_luigi | hello |
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| 10:20.08 | bono | hi |
| 10:20.41 | bono | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:22.11 | \amethyst | bono: if you set up your debian print server to listen on and accept connections from the virtual network |
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| 10:22.44 | \amethyst | bono: if you're using cupsys you can configure this stuff from http://localhost:631/ |
| 10:23.11 | bono | no |
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| 10:23.38 | bono | it mean exactly print like real world debian |
| 10:23.48 | bono | I mean exactly print like real world debian |
| 10:23.54 | cousin_luigi | just reinstalled etch but locales don't appear to be working on bash:/ |
| 10:24.05 | bono | amethyst:I dont plan to set up printer server |
| 10:24.09 | cousin_luigi | any hint about a step I might be missing? |
| 10:24.23 | bono | amethyst:I just need a printwer clinet |
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| 10:25.00 | bono | actually I should ask in VMWARE chaanel,but no response |
| 10:25.23 | \amethyst | bono: you probably already have one installed if you have the printer working in the host |
| 10:25.26 | bono | I've tried print via a VM which instaled with XP |
| 10:25.37 | bono | but that VM cannot detect my printer |
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| 10:26.20 | bono | amethyst:point is if the VM could detect the usb printer |
| 10:26.33 | \amethyst | bono: vmware might have some way to do that, but I wouldn't know |
| 10:26.42 | DexterF | petemc: works a charm, thanks. no clue what the kline stuff is good for, but ok :) |
| 10:27.39 | \amethyst | bono: I would run cupsys and set it up as a 'network' printer on the virtual network, but it can be a pain to set up |
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| 10:28.12 | DexterF | bono: lemme get this straight: you have deb as host and want XP in a guest and use that as a print server? |
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| 10:28.35 | DexterF | bono: how is that printer attached? |
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| 10:29.17 | bono | amethyst:usb attached to XP |
| 10:29.41 | bono | amethyst:but XP is suspectable to Virus |
| 10:29.49 | bono | amethyst:but XP is suspectable to Virus,this trobule me |
| 10:30.02 | bono | amethyst:so i plan to print via debian in a VM |
| 10:30.08 | DexterF | bono: i know there's unix tools for windows.. not sure if for server only or for XP, too. if so you can point cups at that |
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| 10:30.52 | \amethyst | I was under the impression Windows could do IPP out of the box these days |
| 10:31.06 | bono | amethyst:cups is software end,but first that VM should detect my printer |
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| 10:32.46 | \amethyst | bono: no, the idea is to set up a *network printer* on Windows |
| 10:32.55 | \amethyst | bono: Windows doesn't need to think a printer is attached |
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| 10:33.22 | \amethyst | bono: it needs to think the Debian machine is a network printer |
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| 10:35.34 | bono | amethyst:i dont understand |
| 10:35.51 | bono | amethyst:does what u said invold any VM? |
| 10:36.02 | \amethyst | bono: it doesn't have to, but it can |
| 10:36.28 | \amethyst | bono: with vmware if I'm not mistaken there's a virtual 'network' that the host and vms can use to talk to one another |
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| 10:37.00 | ma3x | why do i have no /dev/dsp ? |
| 10:37.10 | \amethyst | bono: so you can have the virtual Windows machine print to the Debian host just tha same as if they were across the room from one another |
| 10:37.26 | bono | amethyst:ya,sure,VM have some ways, like direct TCP/p or NAT |
| 10:38.10 | bono | amethyst:I would like my host be XP |
| 10:38.22 | \amethyst | bono: ohh |
| 10:38.53 | \amethyst | bono: then I'd have no idea how to set that up, or how to set vmware up to do what you want |
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| 10:42.38 | ma3x | i keep gettin |
| 10:42.39 | ma3x | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 10:42.44 | ma3x | wtf is usin it? |
| 10:42.49 | ma3x | lsof shows nothin about it |
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| 10:44.44 | DireFog | ma3x: lsof -n|grep snd |
| 10:45.13 | DireFog | and what program is giving you the error? |
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| 10:47.01 | lassiethebrave | I just installed festival and it claims to be unable to open /dev/dsp wich seems natural enough since I lack that file... how do I get it? |
| 10:47.05 | ma3x | uhm it was kmix using it |
| 10:47.10 | ma3x | thanks DireFog |
| 10:47.38 | lassiethebrave | I might add that other sound apps work just fine... |
| 10:47.49 | DireFog | huh? kmix really shouldn't block anything |
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| 10:48.50 | CaT[t3] | so does flash10 make their browser crash for anyone else? :/ |
| 10:48.52 | DireFog | lassiethebrave: does festival let you choose a sound system? /dev/dsp sounds like it is trying to use OSS, which it really shouldn't |
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| 10:51.23 | DireFog | ah OK, it appears to be a scientific hackfest, which explains some things ;-) |
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| 10:52.17 | Janacek | hi... I want to install a .deb package that I have downloaded, satisfying the dependencies; yum does this with "localinstall" - is there a dpkg or apt equivalent? |
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| 10:54.14 | hanibana | hi |
| 10:55.03 | hanibana | I am trying to connect to a ProCurve switch via its console port by minicom program. |
| 10:55.21 | hanibana | minicom says the status as online |
| 10:55.37 | hanibana | but the switch prompt does not appear... |
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| 10:55.50 | hanibana | have any experience? |
| 10:55.53 | Dream | hi there! |
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| 10:56.56 | Dream | i've got some problem with smbtree. it return nothing on my computer. i there someone could be kind to help me please? |
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| 10:57.58 | Dream | i have looking on google but i've found nothing about that |
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| 10:59.26 | streuner | \amethyst: yeah, many thanks, it was an XFS problem, solved :-) |
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| 11:00.49 | Dream | also, if i type smbtree -N -d 2, i got this error : tdb(unnamed): tdb_open_ex: could not open file /var/run/samba/unexpected.tdb |
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| 11:12.14 | alex_alex | hi guys - question, i need to connect from my 1st machine (10.134.130.50) -> to a 2nd machine on ip of (10.134.131.23) (different subnet) .... to allow forwarding of the 192.168.5.0/24 range from the 1st so that it goes to the 2nd machine, via rotue or iptables .... is this possible? |
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| 11:39.35 | EugenMayer | hello. What can i do recover a filesystem? it seems like sda5 8 (ext3) is damaged ( i dont think thats phsical ). I booted with the grml boot-iso and trying to e2fsk but get a segmentation fault. I can mount sda5, but its empty ( should actually be root ) |
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| 11:42.00 | hick0rd | hello, Why does the hot copy of svn-fast-backup not keeping my old revisions? |
| 11:42.11 | hick0rd | PLease note: this backup is being coordinated by backupninja |
| 11:42.20 | hick0rd | I believe there's something in backupninja that does prevent svn-fast-backup to keep the old revisions |
| 11:42.25 | hick0rd | Any ideas? |
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| 11:51.27 | greggman | how to check in the packages what version of xen is in the debian source? |
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| 11:53.53 | joltcan | greggman: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 11:54.03 | petemc | that doesnt show xen version info |
| 11:54.26 | greggman | yeah.. it didn't show |
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| 11:55.30 | petemc | greggman: perhaps it can be inferred from the version of xen-docs or xen-utils, which seems to be 3.2 |
| 11:56.04 | greggman | so.. what's the latest version then in the repo? |
| 11:56.36 | petemc | 3.2? |
| 11:57.24 | greggman | how did you check it? |
| 11:57.39 | petemc | did you not see what i just said to you? |
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| 11:58.44 | greggman | that's why I just asked you where did you get that figure? |
| 11:59.15 | petemc | the package name is xen-docs-3.2 |
| 11:59.24 | petemc | so, as i said, i inferred... |
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| 11:59.51 | greggman | petemc, do you an experience setting up xen? |
| 11:59.55 | greggman | *have |
| 12:00.07 | petemc | yes |
| 12:00.14 | greggman | what version do you use? |
| 12:00.20 | petemc | 3.0 |
| 12:00.37 | greggman | 3.0 manually? |
| 12:00.38 | petemc | ive been meaning to upgrade, havent got 'round to it |
| 12:01.04 | petemc | no,i used packages |
| 12:01.23 | greggman | packages.. is there 3.0 already in the repo? |
| 12:01.47 | petemc | i think there may be 3.2 |
| 12:02.03 | greggman | ah okay.. so how to check if it exists? |
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| 12:02.09 | petemc | christ |
| 12:02.25 | greggman | goodness petemc |
| 12:03.05 | petemc | try reading http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 12:03.44 | greggman | I've read that one already |
| 12:03.48 | greggman | no relevance |
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| 12:18.56 | martian67 | [05:18] <martian67> hello, in a kde shortcut if i include a $1 and drag something onto the icon |
| 12:18.57 | martian67 | [05:18] <martian67> will the path be interpreted as expected? |
| 12:18.57 | martian67 | [05:18] <martian67> i cant try it im not on kde right now |
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| 12:21.03 | BitUnique | is there a way to get arround the EULA problem with wine under lenny? |
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| 12:33.44 | BitUnique | will doing aptitude purge wine remove my .wine folder? |
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| 12:34.51 | BitUnique | also i got a updated version of vine, but when i try to intall it i get the following ... wine conflicts with wine-bin wine-bin (version 1.0.1-1) is present and installed. |
| 12:35.49 | bono | hello, can any one tell me how to ignore these quit and join msg here? |
| 12:36.27 | EgS | depends on your irc client |
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| 12:38.02 | liable | bono: /help ignore |
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| 12:38.25 | bono | liable:i did |
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| 12:55.20 | martian67 | [05:54] <martian67> in kde |
| 12:55.20 | martian67 | [05:55] <martian67> how do i pass a dragged object |
| 12:55.20 | martian67 | [05:55] <martian67> onto a shortcut |
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| 12:56.04 | heavenquake | martian67,I suppose you could.. drag it onto it? :P |
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| 12:57.21 | martian67 | heavenquake, that dosent pass the object to the command |
| 12:57.29 | martian67 | thanks for being a useless smartass though |
| 12:57.48 | martian67 | you need a varible in the "command" feild |
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| 12:58.56 | heavenquake | - being a useless smartass troll since 1990 |
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| 12:59.26 | griott | hi |
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| 13:00.40 | SnarceZ | hi all... I'm trying to install Debian on an ASUS X59SL but it can't fnd the network card and also the hard disk.... i've also tried some debian based like ubuntu and mepis and I can sucessfully install them, but i would like a lenny and not a derivate.... |
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| 13:01.46 | SnarceZ | does anyone ever had a similar problem? It's my first time wth a laptop.... i'm used to install it on a desktop pc |
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| 13:02.21 | petemc | SnarceZ: you're using the lenny installer? |
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| 13:03.24 | SnarceZ | i've tried the last lenny and etch cd |
| 13:03.46 | Midnigh3ker | hi. I'm a complete Debian newb, so I hope you'll bear with me. Been asked to look at a server, and change it from dhcp to a static IP address. I believe i want to make the changes in /etc/network/interfaces. The file currently says "etherconf DEBCONF AREA" and that I should not edit it by hand. So: Where/what is etherconf, or if i make my own changes at the bottom, will it override the etherconf settings. (thanks). |
| 13:03.48 | SnarceZ | i usually use the netinst, but this time i obvously can't |
| 13:04.21 | petemc | Midnigh3ker: etherconf is no more, just edit as per man 5 interfaces |
| 13:04.51 | Midnigh3ker | petemc: so I can just delete/comment out the etherconf additions, and ignore? |
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| 13:05.00 | petemc | yeah |
| 13:05.07 | Midnigh3ker | fab. thank you |
| 13:05.42 | Midnigh3ker | -is there a way of finding out what "version" of debian the machine is running? (and does debian version == kernel, etc>?) |
| 13:05.48 | petemc | !version |
| 13:05.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 13:06.28 | SnarceZ | could it be different with the lenny dvd? |
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| 13:06.52 | Midnigh3ker | petemc: you're a star. thank you. not touched deb in about 10 years and I didn't know anything when I was using it. Its... a bit of a readjustment :) |
| 13:06.54 | petemc | SnarceZ: unlikely, your problem would be to do with the kernel on the installer |
| 13:07.11 | hick0rd | hello, Why does the hot copy of svn-fast-backup not keeping my old revisions? |
| 13:07.15 | hick0rd | PLease note: this backup is being coordinated by backupninja |
| 13:07.16 | petemc | SnarceZ: what version kernel did the distros that do work use? |
| 13:07.18 | hick0rd | I believe there's something in backupninja that does prevent svn-fast-backup to keep the old revisions |
| 13:07.20 | hick0rd | Any ideas? |
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| 13:10.26 | SnarceZ | i have to search... they are mepis 7 and ubuntu Hardy |
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| 13:10.51 | petemc | SnarceZ: they would have an older kernel than lenny would |
| 13:12.57 | SnarceZ | but also etch gives me the same problem -__- |
| 13:12.58 | noborusa | my server is finally worked back from ddos high-bandwidth attack |
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| 13:13.19 | noborusa | but i would like to know, what log file should be check ? |
| 13:13.41 | noborusa | and,i already know a site in my server was the cause to caused this attack |
| 13:13.58 | noborusa | right now, the site owner changed dns from my server to another |
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| 13:14.34 | noborusa | the attack is continuing, for example, he changed the dns to his house network, then within in minutes, his home network went down |
| 13:15.07 | noborusa | he also tried to change the dns to the local cyber police' websites to try to get their attentions to trace the attacker |
| 13:15.28 | noborusa | that bastard started this attack few days ago and it is not stopped yet. |
| 13:16.21 | noborusa | that person used 500Mbit bandwidth to do this job, and my current datacentre has 1GB,so this attack has caused the entire datacentre in a trouble. |
| 13:16.32 | ranix | noborusa: redirecting a doos isn't particularly good |
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| 13:17.13 | ranix | noborusa: do you know anything about from where the ddos originates? |
| 13:17.24 | ranix | noborusa: you didn't piss off 4chan or something did you |
| 13:17.24 | jelly | um... it's a ddos. ;-) |
| 13:17.38 | joltcan | noborusa: That has to be fixed upstream, i.e. at the bandwidth provider or the providers provider |
| 13:17.50 | noborusa | ranix, hmm, that site owner is one of the client on my server,my server does webhostings,now his webiste has been shut down on my server ,also he has changed the DNS,so right now my server works back,but i would like to know what log file i should check to try to figure out the attacks' IPs |
| 13:18.37 | ranix | noborusa: If you're running apache you can inspect /etc/apache2.log iirc |
| 13:19.01 | joltcan | noborusa: That depends on the attack type. If it is GET requests to a webserver, then ranix example is good. If it is a syn flood then you probably only see it in dmesg, or not at all |
| 13:19.19 | ranix | noborusa: unless they were doing illegal packet shaping, it may be unpunishable because it's impossible to distinguish the ddos from the legitimate hits |
| 13:19.25 | joltcan | noborusa: tcpdump -ni <interface> could work as well |
| 13:19.41 | noborusa | ranix, i haven't had time to do this job, the datacenter had to plug the cable out of my sever to make sure my server was completely shut down,ortherwise the entire datacentre was losing packages. |
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| 13:20.08 | noborusa | yes i run apache 2 |
| 13:20.42 | ranix | noborusa: why are you getting ddosed |
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| 13:21.14 | rhineheart_m | how to delete folder? |
| 13:21.22 | ranix | rhineheart_m: rm or rmdir |
| 13:21.22 | noborusa | joltcan, ranix i do not think i can use tcpdump down,because right now the attack has been moved to other target, the attack is stick with that site . |
| 13:21.45 | rhineheart_m | thanks ranix |
| 13:22.10 | noborusa | ranix, that site, it has only a forum on my server,in the forum,they develop tools such like exploit...stuff like that,yea,the same stuff. |
| 13:22.17 | joltcan | noborusa: Ah. But it still depends on how the attack was done. I would for example not ddos by getting a file, I would only open a tcp connection to the server but not sending any data. And that would not be logged at all |
| 13:22.19 | rhineheart_m | what if I have directory not empty? |
| 13:22.22 | ranix | rhineheart_m: http://www.physics.ubc.ca/mbelab/computer/linux-intro/html/ |
| 13:22.29 | ranix | rhineheart_m: recursive remove, "rm -r" |
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| 13:22.48 | ranix | rhineheart_m: should bookmark that link for quick access until you get used to it in case you need a quick check |
| 13:23.05 | ranix | rhineheart_m: also, you might learn things you wouldn't have thought to ask about. |
| 13:23.18 | rhineheart_m | thanks |
| 13:23.24 | ranix | np |
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| 13:23.41 | noborusa | joltcan, the attacking was not ended,but it is not pointing to my server now,because the attacking is aim on that site,and the site has changed their dns |
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| 13:24.11 | ranix | noborusa: why are you getting ddosed |
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| 13:24.21 | noborusa | ranix, i already told. |
| 13:24.23 | joltcan | noborusa: Yes, I understood. However, depending on the type of attack it might not be visible in any logs |
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| 13:24.47 | vlt | Hello. I installed lvm2 and mdadm. What files do I have to modify to make Debian activate all (or certain) LVM volumes from init.rd? |
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| 13:25.00 | ranix | I don't see it |
| 13:25.14 | DukeDrake | hi ... anyone know how I can install "kernel-module-tun" ? |
| 13:25.19 | vlt | Starting all md devices worked out of the box. |
| 13:25.23 | DukeDrake | aptitude says, it doesn't exist |
| 13:25.24 | noborusa | wait a minute please |
| 13:25.40 | petemc | vlt: you shouldnt have to modify anything, should just work |
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| 13:27.39 | ranix | DukeDrake: I don't see any results that look like a kernel module for "apt-cache search kernel tun" |
| 13:27.57 | DukeDrake | ranix: ok. |
| 13:28.05 | DukeDrake | However I need that kernel module o.O |
| 13:28.10 | DukeDrake | +to install |
| 13:28.39 | ranix | DukeDrake: do you know anything more about it? What does it do, where can you get it, etc.? |
| 13:28.47 | joltcan | DukeDrake: what kernel do you run now? (uname -a). It should be included by default |
| 13:29.00 | DukeDrake | It's the tunnel device you need in order to run openVPN |
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| 13:29.11 | DukeDrake | However I have absolutely no idea where to get it |
| 13:29.27 | joltcan | DukeDrake: It's installed by default |
| 13:29.36 | DukeDrake | joltcan: 2.6.24.7 |
| 13:29.48 | DukeDrake | joltcan: well ... not in my case obviously |
| 13:29.57 | joltcan | DukeDrake: modprobe tun |
| 13:30.05 | DukeDrake | FATAL: Module tun not found. |
| 13:30.23 | DukeDrake | It's a manually compiled kernel |
| 13:30.33 | joltcan | DukeDrake: Ah, then you have to manually compile tun in as well |
| 13:30.43 | joltcan | DukeDrake: Thats why you run debian kernels :) |
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| 13:31.08 | DukeDrake | joltcan: that's why I'm looking for help |
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| 13:31.34 | joltcan | DukeDrake: Yes, so "tun" is included in the kernel source. You have to configure your kernel again and then build and install the new kernel |
| 13:31.46 | DukeDrake | o.O |
| 13:31.57 | DukeDrake | is there no easier way? |
| 13:31.58 | joltcan | DukeDrake: If you run your on kernel then there isn't a packet you should use |
| 13:32.18 | DukeDrake | meh |
| 13:32.24 | joltcan | DukeDrake: The easiest way is to forget about compiling the kernel yourself (if there isn't a very specific need for it) and just go with the debian kernel |
| 13:32.27 | ranix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.27 | ranix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.27 | ranix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.40 | DukeDrake | joltcan: there is a specific need for it |
| 13:32.42 | joltcan | ranix: Like I said, it's included in the kernel source |
| 13:32.58 | ranix | yeah, you probably just have to recompile the kerne, DukeDrake, and select that to be included |
| 13:33.02 | joltcan | DukeDrake: Well then, go back to you kernel source dir, configure the kernel and include tun driver |
| 13:33.19 | joltcan | It's an option you have to enable |
| 13:33.41 | DukeDrake | ok. |
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| 13:33.58 | DukeDrake | make menuconfig and stuff ... I know |
| 13:34.13 | joltcan | Exactly |
| 13:34.21 | DukeDrake | do I have to recompile both the kernel and modules? |
| 13:34.25 | joltcan | DukeDrake: Yes |
| 13:34.36 | DukeDrake | kk >.< |
| 13:34.38 | joltcan | Or if you enable it as a module you might only have to compile the module |
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| 13:34.53 | joltcan | don't remember, it was ~2-3 years since is stopped compiling kernels myself |
| 13:35.08 | DukeDrake | Isn't it sufficient to only compile _that_ module? |
| 13:35.27 | DukeDrake | My System's a little ancient and it takes 8hrs in total to recompile everything. |
| 13:35.45 | joltcan | DukeDrake: Like I said, it might be. I don't remember. Google it |
| 13:36.16 | DukeDrake | ranix: thanx a lot for the link! |
| 13:36.16 | joltcan | distcc and ccache is nice for those kinds of machines |
| 13:36.42 | ranix | DukeDrake: np, why did you find just the source for a module? |
| 13:36.48 | joltcan | (ccache caches your compilations so you don't have to do it again, distcc enables other machines to take part in the compilation) |
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| 13:39.28 | DukeDrake | ranix: I guess I googled for "modprobe tun" or something |
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| 13:39.39 | DukeDrake | joltcan: ah |
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| 13:41.02 | esaym | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.49 | petemc | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -s 10.0.0.0/16 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 13:42.00 | petemc | is what i use for squid |
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| 13:42.23 | joltcan | esaym: As long as the traffic that needs to be redirected is passing _trough_ another machine, yes |
| 13:44.04 | noborusa | joltcan, ranix ,i am checking the log file |
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| 13:44.45 | esaym | joltcan: any tips for how to search google for this? |
| 13:44.58 | esaym | like is this using iptables or what? |
| 13:45.01 | joltcan | esaym: did you look at petemc code? |
| 13:45.09 | joltcan | s/code/example/ |
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| 13:45.23 | joltcan | esaym: It's in the squid faq IIRC |
| 13:45.47 | Gigantic | ack... anyone knows what's wrong with "ffmpeg -i ./audio.mp3 -i ./image.png output.avi" |
| 13:46.23 | noborusa | joltcan and ranix ,there are too many records shows one same IP was using 'GET' |
| 13:46.48 | joltcan | noborusa: I guess thats your nemisis then |
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| 13:48.50 | noborusa | nemisis ? i don't know what does this mean |
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| 13:50.40 | idle-boy | hello, any "kickstart like" method to automate debian installation ? |
| 13:51.19 | idle-boy | FAI - Fully Automatic Installation |
| 13:52.09 | noborusa | joltcan, may i ask another question please? |
| 13:52.15 | noborusa | joltcan, it is very strange. |
| 13:52.22 | noborusa | are you still there ? |
| 13:53.04 | petemc | idle-boy: theres also preseeding |
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| 13:53.47 | ranix | !ask |
| 13:53.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:54.42 | jelly | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:54.43 | judd | jelly: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib) |
| 13:55.13 | noborusa | ranix, okay thanks |
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| 13:55.16 | jelly | judd: where's my amd64 flash alpha support, bitch!! |
| 13:55.17 | judd | jelly: Error: "where's" is not a valid command. |
| 13:55.22 | noborusa | welcome back abrotman . |
| 13:55.33 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:55.51 | abrotman | jelly: gnash ? |
| 13:55.59 | noborusa | ranix, the site owner is now downloading his mysql from his website on my server,but strange is the DNS is not pointed to my server,how come he can still download it via http ? |
| 13:56.01 | jelly | abrotman: no, Adobe's |
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| 13:56.20 | ranix | noborusa: ? |
| 13:56.36 | petemc | noborusa: he could connect directly to your ip |
| 13:56.54 | noborusa | ranix, he was telling me this: I do not need to do DNS to point to your server and still can access to my file via http on your server ,i will use 'local taken' |
| 13:57.18 | petemc | noborusa: are you the person running this web hosting outfit? |
| 13:57.33 | noborusa | petemc, impossible, instantly IP access will get to a apache default page |
| 13:57.41 | ranix | noborusa: your question indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of system administration |
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| 13:57.59 | noborusa | in the log file, i am finding he is now downloading his mysql backups via http by using the GET |
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| 13:58.31 | noborusa | very strange,in the meantime, the site he is accessing to ,the DNS is not point to my server,as well as he told me a while go, he really can do it. |
| 13:58.32 | ranix | his mysql backups are on http? |
| 13:58.41 | ranix | I was probably too quick with that comment, noborusa |
| 13:59.10 | noborusa | petemc, yes,i am, because his site has been under ddos high bandwidht attack for days and it is not ended yet |
| 13:59.43 | ranix | noborusa: cut him off for violating terms of service or exceeding bandwidth allocation or something |
| 13:59.51 | ranix | noborusa: better to excise that from your network |
| 13:59.59 | noborusa | petemc, that is why i asked him to change his dns from my server to another,he did. and now he still can access to his site on my server via http,this sounds redicoulous |
| 14:00.30 | noborusa | ranix, he uploaded his own mysql and stuf the a directory in his site on my server |
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| 14:00.47 | petemc | noborusa: what is your question, exactly? |
| 14:00.50 | noborusa | in the log,i am seeing he is downloading now, and i just called him to make sure, yes. |
| 14:00.53 | ranix | noborusa: it's questionable that his mysql database backups were available to be downloaded by http |
| 14:00.59 | E-bola | Can anybody tell me whats best for raid? 1+0 or 0+1? |
| 14:01.09 | ranix | E-bola: 5 |
| 14:01.21 | E-bola | raid 5 is slower |
| 14:01.32 | noborusa | petemc, if i have set up a site on your server,and i need to access to my site via http,i NEED to do dns to point to your IP right |
| 14:01.43 | petemc | noborusa: too many variables |
| 14:02.01 | ranix | a four disk raid 5 is slower than two 0+1? |
| 14:02.02 | ranix | no |
| 14:02.04 | ranix | it is not |
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| 14:02.13 | petemc | noborusa: if both client and host agree on the name, eg via their hosts files, apache will serve up the site |
| 14:02.18 | noborusa | petemc, that is very basic logic, do A record to point to your site,but now, the DNS is not pointed to your server and i can still access to my site on your server via http, wouldn't you think this sounds strange ? |
| 14:02.20 | jelly | ranix: depends |
| 14:02.39 | ranix | jelly: on whether or not the array is degraded? lol |
| 14:02.40 | abrotman | use the numbers? |
| 14:02.53 | yang | which mailer program can i use to save message to .eml ? Can I do it from mutt or icedove? |
| 14:02.56 | ranix | it should usually be faster, and when it isn't, be not noticably slower |
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| 14:03.46 | noborusa | petemc, i found the right word for it in english --> hijack |
| 14:03.56 | vlt | How can I take /dev and /proc with me inti a chroot env? |
| 14:04.00 | vlt | *into |
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| 14:04.29 | noborusa | he told me this, he will do 'local hijack',so he does not need to do DNS to point to my server ,and he can still access to his site on my server via http |
| 14:04.57 | ranix | sounds like petemc hit the nail on the head |
| 14:05.21 | ranix | dns itself does nothing in that exchange, as long as the client and server agree on the hostname it gets served |
| 14:05.27 | ranix | dns itself CAN do nothing |
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| 14:06.20 | E-bola | ranix: yes it is, especially for writes |
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| 14:07.05 | noborusa | or he meant dns hijack |
| 14:07.24 | petemc | no, i dont know what you're talking about with dns hijack |
| 14:07.38 | noborusa | his goal is ,he can access to his site on my server,others can not |
| 14:07.46 | noborusa | hmm. |
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| 14:09.06 | noborusa | sorry i talked too much. |
| 14:09.32 | noborusa | anyway that guy is a genius,he knows lot of stuff i dont know |
| 14:09.46 | rhineheart_m | In default LVM installation of debian.. what directory is the logical? |
| 14:09.50 | noborusa | also that is why his site has been being attack. |
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| 14:10.29 | noborusa | additionally, i can not understand the datacentre would not use some of their spare bandwidth to fight back with the ddos attack. |
| 14:10.32 | petemc | rhineheart_m: the what? |
| 14:10.59 | noborusa | but they just called me ,tell me myserver is under big bandwidht attack and plug the cable out of my server :( |
| 14:11.17 | rhineheart_m | petemc, I mean the rest of the disk space.. |
| 14:11.22 | ranix | E-bola: I don't understand. In a 4-disk raid 5, each disk writes (rough example, it's less than this for parity) 1/4 of the data as parity and 1/4 of the data as actual data. In two 2-disk-pair raid 1, the data is simply copied twice. |
| 14:11.38 | noborusa | the hardware firewall maybe worked, i checked google |
| 14:11.52 | ranix | E-bola: in this example, raid 5 and two-disk-pair raid 1+0 are writing the same amount of data |
| 14:12.23 | E-bola | ranix: wouldnt there be a penalty in calculating the parity? |
| 14:12.27 | noborusa | but also the hardware firewall need to use bandwidth to do the job, so the real problem is the datacentre,they would NOT be willing to use their bandwidth to fight back,since my server is very common one. |
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| 14:13.22 | petemc | rhineheart_m: its in the volume group, if i understand you correctly |
| 14:13.22 | ranix | E-bola: the parity is, in practice, less than 1/4 the data by the nature of parity. You would gain from your processor such that unless your system was very slow raid 5 would be faster. When not (I.e., system under 100% load) the different wouldn't be very noticable |
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| 14:13.49 | noborusa | petemc, i am also confused,but he did it,and now he is downloading his backup via http on my server, even i can not access to his website because the DNS is not pointed to my server. |
| 14:14.06 | petemc | noborusa: i think we've been over this, i dont know what more to say to you |
| 14:14.18 | E-bola | ranix: I just find it hard to estimate what would be fastest for a database raidset, if a raid 1+0 or raid5 is fastest |
| 14:14.19 | noborusa | i give it up.sorry. |
| 14:14.23 | rhineheart_m | petemc, can I give you a link on the how to I followed privately? At least you have the idea.. it's in the first part anyway..no much of the reading..is it okay? |
| 14:14.23 | ranix | noborusa: are you on windows or linux |
| 14:14.24 | E-bola | people REALLY does not agree |
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| 14:14.35 | pflanze | Hello. Somehow I don't find a gcc x86 cross compiler in lenny x86-64 -- am I missing something? |
| 14:14.36 | noborusa | ranix, on debian linux. |
| 14:14.47 | petemc | rhineheart_m: whats your problem? |
| 14:15.07 | ranix | noborusa: put a line in /etc/hosts that points what his DNS used to be to your server's IP for him |
| 14:15.19 | ranix | noborusa: and then go to that dns in your web browser. You will get his page |
| 14:15.40 | rhineheart_m | petemc, just trying to locate the logical drive in LVM |
| 14:15.54 | petemc | rhineheart_m: run 'vgs' |
| 14:16.20 | ranix | E-bola: the speed becomes diminishing returns once you start comparing them. I would personally choose raid 5 because imo it is a simpler arrangement that is easier to restore in the event of failure |
| 14:16.22 | rhineheart_m | petemc, then? |
| 14:16.29 | noborusa | ranix, let us assume that what you told me will work, but now,i haven't done that,but how come he can access to his site via http on my server ? the log tells it clearly,also i called him to comform it. |
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| 14:16.58 | E-bola | ranix: raid 10 also has better fault tolerance though |
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| 14:17.19 | petemc | rhineheart_m: have you created a logical volume within the volume group? |
| 14:17.23 | ranix | E-bola: that is true, but I prefer ease of restoration in disaster scenario to fault tolerance |
| 14:17.40 | E-bola | ranix: well for this scenario, its only about performance |
| 14:17.41 | petemc | rhineheart_m: perhaps you should try another guide if the one you're using isnt clear |
| 14:17.56 | ranix | E-bola: raid 5 is only clearly better in a three-disk array or a six-disk array |
| 14:18.05 | ranix | E-bola: otherwise it's probably personal preference |
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| 14:18.09 | E-bola | ranix: a friend mentioned that in a raid5, data is only present on 1 disk, not on more than 1. So if under load it can be slow |
| 14:18.32 | rhineheart_m | petemc, I have only 1 HDD. During installation I just choosd LVM without encrption then the defaults afterwards |
| 14:18.39 | ranix | E-bola: that is incorrect. In raid 5, each disk keeps 1/(size) the array plus a parity stripe |
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| 14:18.45 | E-bola | while in a raid10 data is always on minimum 2 disks, and more if its a 6 disks or bigger raid |
| 14:19.00 | E-bola | ranix: yes, but that asumes a perfect "spread" of the data |
| 14:19.12 | petemc | rhineheart_m: oh, so all the space should be used |
| 14:19.19 | E-bola | if i store 1 byte on my raid5, that will onyl reside on 1 disks, and ofcourse as a combination of parity on all the disks |
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| 14:19.55 | ranix | E-bola: if you store one byte, it will be copied / parified such that in the event of a disk loss you will still have it. I'm not exactly certain how that works |
| 14:20.43 | E-bola | ranix: I know, but in a none failed enviroment, where i have to read that byte |
| 14:20.54 | E-bola | i can only read it from the single disk it got stored upon |
| 14:21.05 | ranix | E-bola: no, that one byte must be stored on all disks by nature |
| 14:21.15 | DukeDrake | r |
| 14:21.16 | DukeDrake | e |
| 14:21.19 | E-bola | ranix: umm nope, i think u missunderstand raid5 then |
| 14:21.28 | ofx | . |
| 14:21.42 | DukeDrake | I'm getting an error when running ./configure: "Linux kernel source not found in /usr/src/linux" |
| 14:21.59 | ranix | E-bola: if the byte cannot span more than one disk, it must span more than one disk (with parity on at least one). |
| 14:22.01 | DukeDrake | Do I need to point it to the correct directory somewhere? |
| 14:22.08 | ranix | E-bola: it would likely be copied |
| 14:22.13 | petemc | DukeDrake: i asked you earlier but you didnt answer, which kernel are you using that it doesnt have tun? |
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| 14:23.10 | DukeDrake | petemc: I already mentioned earlier: my system makes it necessary to manually compile the kernel. I'm using a 2.6.24.7 currently |
| 14:23.32 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.32 | DukeDrake | Thing is: kernel sources are present but I guess ./configure can't find them? |
| 14:23.37 | DukeDrake | debian |
| 14:25.20 | petemc | DukeDrake: if its a kernel you compiled, cant you just repeat the steps you did previously and add the tun module, then run maker modules modules_install ; depmod -a |
| 14:25.30 | petemc | s/maker/make/ |
| 14:26.08 | DukeDrake | petemc: I could, but this would take 8+ hrs |
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| 14:26.14 | petemc | to rebuild one mobule? |
| 14:26.18 | petemc | i think not |
| 14:26.25 | DukeDrake | petemc: I understand, simply compiling the module is faster. |
| 14:26.35 | petemc | which is what i suggested you do |
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| 14:26.49 | DukeDrake | how can I rebuild one module? |
| 14:26.54 | petemc | ^^^^ |
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| 14:27.47 | DukeDrake | o.o |
| 14:27.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how do i install gnome 2.24 in Debian? i am using sid but its still not in the repos |
| 14:28.09 | abrotman | DukeDrake: that's not a debian kernel |
| 14:28.23 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you cannot currently unless you build it yourself |
| 14:28.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm thank you |
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| 14:29.10 | DukeDrake | abrotman: oh ... sorry. I misunderstood. It's a vanilla kernel from kernel.org |
| 14:30.26 | abrotman | DukeDrake: and that's why petemc keeps asking you .. |
| 14:30.42 | abrotman | DukeDrake: use a debian kernel |
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| 14:35.29 | DukeDrake | abrotman: what's the difference between a kernel from kernel.org and a "Debian kernel"? |
| 14:35.52 | petemc | debian kernel has tun |
| 14:35.53 | petemc | for one.. |
| 14:35.57 | marchino | ciao! how can find my debian's release number |
| 14:36.17 | valdyn | marchino: not really |
| 14:36.40 | marchino | ? |
| 14:37.07 | abrotman | DukeDrake: patches, and things built as modules .. please try it, otherwise you'll have to go to ##kernel to get help with what options you need to have when you recompile your kernel |
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| 14:37.17 | valdyn | marchino: im saying that you kind of cannot check your release number |
| 14:37.44 | marchino | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 14:37.56 | valdyn | marchino: you want to be on stable and you want to be up to date. |
| 14:38.11 | DukeDrake | abrotman: the tun device is also included by default in the vanilla version |
| 14:38.22 | abrotman | use a debian kernel |
| 14:38.24 | valdyn | marchino: whichever that release is numbered as is something that doesnt really matter but can be checked at debian.org |
| 14:38.30 | DukeDrake | But I guess, I'll have to ask in ##lernel then |
| 14:38.38 | petemc | i already told you what you need to do... |
| 14:38.50 | abrotman | DukeDrake: we cannot sit here and guess every option you may have turned off that might affect whether or not a tun device works |
| 14:38.52 | DukeDrake | abrotman: the system is too ancient ... a simple kernel doesn't work |
| 14:38.55 | petemc | or one thing you could do, at least |
| 14:39.00 | DukeDrake | erm |
| 14:39.13 | DukeDrake | actually I'm not talking about kernels at all currently =) |
| 14:39.39 | abrotman | DukeDrake: that's utter bullshit .. you're using a 2.6 kernel already |
| 14:40.02 | joltcan | There are many debian kernels prebuilt for different architectures and systems. I think a debian kernel would fit perfectly |
| 14:40.14 | joltcan | and as everything is in there as modules it's not very big to begin with either |
| 14:40.54 | joltcan | But I've already said that earlier in this discussion |
| 14:41.12 | DukeDrake | ok, you may want to have a look at what I need to do to succesfully run a kernel: http://www.urbana.fm/~antocm/projects.html#netvista |
| 14:41.39 | DukeDrake | err .. here: http://www.urbana.fm/~antocm/files/netvista-2200/N2200-openSUSE-10.3-v2/howto-v3.txt |
| 14:41.54 | d-b | says opensuse not debian |
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| 14:42.07 | superjet_busy | sometimes you need apply some patch to kernel |
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| 14:43.03 | d-b | DukeDrake: doesn't the etch and a half kernel fit your needs ? |
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| 14:43.47 | DukeDrake | d-b: ?? I already have a running kernel. |
| 14:44.01 | d-b | nevermind. |
| 14:44.28 | stew | DukeDrake: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:44.41 | valdyn | DukeDrake: and where is the part on that site where dpkg -i debian_kernel.deb is not sufficient? |
| 14:44.43 | DukeDrake | stew: install the TUN module. |
| 14:44.57 | MarcoPau | Hello, I haven't been able to print since my last unstable upgrade. Cups' error_log says Unable to open MFP port device file!: Cannot allocate memory. Do you have any hint? |
| 14:45.12 | d-b | MarcoPau: samsung printer driver ? |
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| 14:45.21 | MarcoPau | d-b: yes |
| 14:45.31 | d-b | blame samsung probably ^^ |
| 14:45.33 | stew | DukeDrake: and you don't want to use the debian kernel (which already has the TUN module) because you are worried about the performance of the debain kernel? |
| 14:46.00 | d-b | um depending on the model there is a beta splix2 driver out |
| 14:46.28 | DukeDrake | stew: I could just go forward and recompile my current kernel and include the module. But this would cost me 8+ hrs, hence I'm looking for a faster way. |
| 14:46.39 | MarcoPau | d-b: well, they've been working for more than a year now... and since the last upgrade cups came out with this error |
| 14:46.56 | valdyn | DukeDrake: kernels build system is documented, see "make help" |
| 14:46.59 | stew | DukeDrake: installing the debian kernel would be a lot faster |
| 14:46.59 | petemc | DukeDrake: for the third time, i told you the method to compile just the module with your current kernel source |
| 14:47.24 | d-b | personally i run an etch system with the dodgy samsung driver on it - just as my printing gateway. i don't want to install that thing on any other system. |
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| 14:48.22 | g0rd0n_ | hmmm |
| 14:48.28 | joltcan | DukeDrake: You have almost been here for 8h now :). But seriously, wasn't it enough with just compiling the modules? |
| 14:48.36 | g0rd0n_ | why is there no etchandhalf vserver kernel? |
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| 14:48.50 | mysteryc | Hey. |
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| 14:49.05 | stew | DukeDrake: on the page you give, the only reason there that they give for using a custom kernel for performace related to audio, is that a concern for you as well? Do you need a realtime kernel? |
| 14:49.11 | mysteryc | I just downloaded Songbird but when I try to run the install, it says `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./songbird) |
| 14:49.58 | stew | mysteryc: recompile songbird against your etch system, or find one that was compiled for etch, or you'd have to upgrade to the testing version of debian |
| 14:50.42 | mysteryc | stew: There was nothing to compile. I just got the compressed file and there was the install file in it. |
| 14:51.16 | valdyn | patching just the version string in a c library works sometimes.. |
| 14:51.24 | valdyn | but i dont recommend that ) |
| 14:51.40 | mysteryc | so, what do u think i should do? :S |
| 14:52.08 | superjet_busy | !tell mysteryc google songbird GLIBC_2.4 |
| 14:52.26 | stew | mysteryc: download the source and recompile it |
| 14:52.30 | mysteryc | uh it didnt tell me;p |
| 14:53.15 | mysteryc | stew: Can't I download the glibc_2.4? |
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| 14:53.44 | stew | mysteryc: you could by switching from the 'stable' verison of debian to the 'testing' version of debian |
| 14:53.50 | DukeDrake | ok |
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| 14:54.09 | mysteryc | stew: Well, is the un-stable version trust-worthy? |
| 14:54.23 | stew | mysteryc: in what sense? |
| 14:54.26 | mysteryc | stew: I mean, is there any chances of complete computer crash or something? |
| 14:54.26 | DukeDrake | instead of repeating that I need a debian kernel you could have simply told me, that I don't actually need to recompile the kernel, but only the modules |
| 14:54.42 | d-b | DukeDrake: they did say that |
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| 14:54.51 | mysteryc | DudeDrake: If you do know the answer, why you asked in the first place? |
| 14:54.53 | mysteryc | o_O |
| 14:54.56 | stew | mysteryc: certainly there are chances. the only reason that the testing version has not yet replaced the current stable version is that the testing version is known to be buggy |
| 14:55.12 | DukeDrake | mysteryc: ... you're joking, right? |
| 14:55.40 | DukeDrake | mysteryc: I didn't know until a few lines ago |
| 14:55.48 | mysteryc | stew: Well, let's forget the unstable version for a sec. Wont glibc work on the current stable version? |
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| 14:56.16 | stian2 | any op here? |
| 14:56.16 | mysteryc | DukeDrake: Oh, sorry, I just joined the chan;p |
| 14:56.21 | stian2 | I need some help |
| 14:56.28 | stew | mysteryc: glibc is the most fundamental piece of software on your machine, basically every piece of software you have installed other than your kernel depends on it, so upgrading it is essentially upgrading to testing |
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| 14:56.45 | Hanselmaus | hey folks. have a server which refuses to let me login as root. the filesystem is locked as read only, and when i try to login, it gives me "Last login: Sun Nov 16 17:38:42 2008 from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" and then nothing |
| 14:56.54 | mysteryc | stew: how come I can't come across glibc in synaptic? |
| 14:56.57 | Hanselmaus | anything that can be done without rebooting the machine in person? |
| 14:57.07 | stew | mysteryc: "aptitude search '~i~Dlibc6'" to get a list of packages directly depending on glibc |
| 14:57.14 | mysteryc | stew: I mean I can only find the docs, not the package itself. |
| 14:57.21 | stew | mysteryc: the source package is called glibc, the binary package is called libc6 |
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| 14:57.48 | stian2 | any tips on how to make an install as bare-bone as possible? on a eeepc 1000? |
| 14:58.00 | stew | stian2: i'm an op. feel free to /msg me if you need help |
| 14:58.03 | enouf | could /msg dpkg eeepc |
| 14:58.16 | rhineheart_m | hello... why can't I do "mtr IP Add" ? |
| 14:58.22 | mysteryc | stew: Oh, well, anyways, to the point. Is glibc 2.4 not supported on the current stable version? the installed version of mine says 2.3 |
| 14:58.30 | mysteryc | *2.3.6 |
| 14:58.39 | maligor | stian2, just don't select anything in tasksel maybe :P |
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| 14:58.50 | stian2 | yeah, done that |
| 14:58.52 | Kebab_King | stian2, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 14:59.14 | stian2 | Ive got 130 packages install... but Id like to thin out and remove more useless stuff |
| 14:59.28 | Kebab_King | apt-get autoremove --purge |
| 14:59.37 | stian2 | ah! Ill try that! |
| 14:59.46 | stew | mysteryc: yes, stable comes with 2.3 not 2.4 |
| 15:00.12 | Kebab_King | also: apt-get clean; apt-get distclean |
| 15:00.22 | Kebab_King | to reclaim some disk space |
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| 15:00.35 | stian2 | Kebab_King: distclean doesnt work |
| 15:00.40 | Kebab_King | indeed, typo |
| 15:00.41 | mysteryc | stew: Oh, shoot. I'll check with songbird's website if they have any other releases. |
| 15:00.52 | Kebab_King | it was autoclean |
| 15:00.54 | Kebab_King | my bad |
| 15:01.03 | rhineheart_m | do I need to do "aptitude install mtr" if I want to run "mtr IP" ? |
| 15:01.11 | stian2 | Kebab_King: also ive removed cron, but I can see traces after it in my fs |
| 15:01.50 | Kebab_King | also remove some stuff using rcconf |
| 15:01.53 | enouf | dpkg: glibc is also glibc is the most fundamental piece of software on your machine, basically every piece of software you have installed other than your kernel depends on it, so upgrading it is essentially upgrading your entire system/debian release/version. |
| 15:01.54 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 15:02.03 | d-b | mysteryc: you could also use a chroot ... |
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| 15:02.05 | mysteryc | stew: ohhh, shoot. Now mozilla won't run either :/ It says i need gtk 2.10 to run it, but the stable supports only 2.8 :/ |
| 15:02.07 | abrotman | uhm .. package name is? doc-pkg is ? |
| 15:02.14 | mysteryc | d-b: A what? :s |
| 15:02.21 | d-b | !chroot |
| 15:02.22 | dpkg | from memory, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 15:02.51 | mysteryc | d-b: Uh, soo? |
| 15:03.23 | d-b | you would grab the newer glibc in the chroot -> a lenny / testing chroot whilst you keep your normal debian on stable. |
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| 15:04.14 | mysteryc | d-b: Uh.. |
| 15:04.17 | enouf | Kebab_King: rcconf doesn't remove anything, it's an rc configuration tool (for enabling/disabling services at boot time) |
| 15:04.26 | mysteryc | Ok, anybody using lenny? |
| 15:04.33 | d-b | yep. ^^ |
| 15:04.41 | Kebab_King | i know |
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| 15:05.00 | mysteryc | Is it ok? |
| 15:05.08 | kiggy | yes |
| 15:05.10 | d-b | yes. i like it ^^ |
| 15:05.28 | mysteryc | Is it really really unstable? |
| 15:05.32 | mysteryc | I mean does it crash or something? |
| 15:05.33 | Kebab_King | mysteryc, nope |
| 15:05.36 | d-b | ...no |
| 15:05.36 | kiggy | no |
| 15:05.38 | stian2 | not at all |
| 15:05.38 | Lagbolt | lenny works like a champ for me |
| 15:05.44 | d-b | its debian and its going stable at some point soon.... |
| 15:05.48 | stew | mysteryc: it depends on which software you are using |
| 15:05.48 | enouf | testing is fine for a desktop system, though you should read docs, and get to know your pkg manager really well |
| 15:06.15 | mysteryc | stew: Uh, ok. Well, is there a way to upgrade to the un-stable or will I have to format? |
| 15:06.20 | stian2 | is there an alternative to rcconf that doesnt require perl? |
| 15:06.26 | Kebab_King | mysteryc, there is a way |
| 15:06.33 | enouf | stian2: many |
| 15:06.34 | stew | mysteryc: you don't want unstable, you want testing, and yes you can upgrade without formatting/reinstalling |
| 15:06.39 | Kebab_King | change the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:06.46 | enouf | stian2: man update-rc.d |
| 15:06.47 | d-b | edit /etc/apt/sources.list from etch to lenny and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -- or use aptitude |
| 15:06.54 | stian2 | enouf: thanks! |
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| 15:07.32 | Lagbolt | !tell mysteryc about etch->lenny |
| 15:08.12 | stew | mysteryc: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 15:08.46 | mysteryc | ok, guys so I am in sources.list |
| 15:09.04 | mysteryc | now everywhere that it says etch i'll erase it and write lenny? |
| 15:09.12 | Lagbolt | mysteryc, did you read the etch->lenny |
| 15:09.19 | Lagbolt | there is a step before that |
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| 15:09.34 | mysteryc | Lagbolt: Yeah I did that |
| 15:09.56 | hron85 | hi! I tried using xfs_quota and i got: 'xfs_quota: cannot set limits: Function not implemented' |
| 15:09.57 | stian2 | what exactly does netbase do? |
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| 15:10.09 | hron85 | What's missing? |
| 15:10.35 | d-b | you might want to turn off recommends if you don't want a toaster |
| 15:10.55 | enouf | stian2: sounds like it's from the installer ... |
| 15:10.58 | stew | there isn't one step before editing sources.list, there are many |
| 15:11.01 | hron85 | I using Etch with custom kernel (2.6.24.3-rsbac). I compiled in xfs quota support to kernel |
| 15:11.07 | mysteryc | Lagbost: Ok, so now i replace where it says etch with lenny? |
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| 15:11.20 | stian2 | enouf: its true, but its not needed... havnt noticed any change not having it... |
| 15:11.28 | stian2 | freerunner? |
| 15:11.40 | stew | mysteryc: http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/ |
| 15:11.44 | mysteryc | *Lagbolt ^ |
| 15:12.18 | Lagbolt | mysteryc, then you are good. just keep doing what it says. next change etch to lenny and follow the directions |
| 15:12.55 | jpinx | mysteryc: read the release notes and /msg dpkg etch->lenny . Have you done the update/grade to etch first? |
| 15:13.27 | enouf | hron85: might need/want xfsprogs ? |
| 15:13.37 | mysteryc | jpinx: yes. |
| 15:13.54 | stian2 | in rcconf I see lots of services belonging to packages i have removed... how come? and how to I clean this up? |
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| 15:14.06 | stew | mysteryc: and have you checked for packages on hold? did you upgrade aptitude to the lenny version first? |
| 15:14.11 | iridos | any opinions on what key type to use with ecryptfs? |
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| 15:14.30 | mysteryc | stew: I just changed the etch to lenny words and now im updtaing aptitude |
| 15:14.36 | enouf | there's also the The xfsdump package ; contains xfsdump, xfsrestore and a number of other administrative utilities for managing XFS filesystems. |
| 15:14.38 | jpinx | mysteryc: cool - now upgrade aptitude |
| 15:14.46 | hopecon | I just accidentally blew about /bin |
| 15:14.49 | stew | mysteryc: how are you updating apotitude? |
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| 15:15.04 | mysteryc | stew: aptitude update; :s |
| 15:15.04 | hopecon | but I retained everything else; can I do anything besides a reinstall of debian? |
| 15:15.09 | hopecon | s/about/away |
| 15:15.26 | jpinx | mysteryc: all these instructions are clear if you read whet dpkg tells you |
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| 15:15.47 | jpinx | !tell mysteryc about etch->lenny |
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| 15:15.59 | stew | jpinx: dpkg ignores you if you use ! and > in the same line |
| 15:16.32 | jpinx | stew: yea - that's why I just did it separate ;) |
| 15:16.35 | hopecon | oh i still have apt-get, goodie |
| 15:16.50 | hopecon | Are the critical binaries in a .deb somewhere? |
| 15:16.53 | stew | !etch->lenny |
| 15:17.04 | iridos | !pal stew |
| 15:17.04 | dpkg | points at stew and laughs uproariously |
| 15:17.11 | stew | jpinx: see ^^ dpkg has a bug where it ignores the ! in lines that have a > in them |
| 15:17.24 | jpinx | hum |
| 15:17.31 | mysteryc | jpinx: now im doing aptitude install dpkg aptitude |
| 15:17.35 | d-b | @etch->leeny |
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| 15:17.47 | mysteryc | !lol |
| 15:17.47 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:17.51 | stew | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 15:17.52 | dpkg | Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>. |
| 15:17.58 | enouf | stew: but i recall prior ones working, no? (!sarge->etch for example) |
| 15:18.02 | stew | enouf: nope |
| 15:18.03 | mysteryc | !noob |
| 15:18.03 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 15:18.05 | mysteryc | ;p |
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| 15:18.08 | d-b | mysteryc: enough. |
| 15:18.08 | enouf | crap |
| 15:18.16 | jpinx | stew: ok - it reported to me but might not have gone to mysteryc |
| 15:18.34 | abrotman | stew: they had been fixed at one point |
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| 15:20.01 | jpinx | either way mysteryc - you need to follow those instructions to the letter |
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| 15:20.16 | mysteryc | jpinx: I am :) |
| 15:20.34 | hron85 | enouf: xfsprogs installed, the etch version |
| 15:20.35 | jpinx | and expect to do the update upgrade on lenny several times before all dependencies are resolved |
| 15:21.27 | stew | mysteryc: the instructions he is talking about are the ones in the release notes from the url i sent you (from /msg dpkg lenny release notes) |
| 15:21.46 | jpinx | mysteryc: it's aptitude full-upgrade now - not just upgrade, which is deprecated and only invokes safe-upgrade |
| 15:22.15 | stew | no, he should be running upgrade before full-upgrade |
| 15:22.45 | stew | (after installing the lenny version of aptitude) |
| 15:23.23 | jpinx | stew: when I ran upgrade it told me that command was deprecated and it would do safe-upgrade |
| 15:23.30 | stew | jpinx: that's fine, upgrade and safe-upgrade are the same thing, he just shouldn't be running full-upgrade yet |
| 15:24.16 | jpinx | stew: ok - now I have lenny running happily I do full-upgrade when I update - is that ok? |
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| 15:25.07 | stew | jpinx: sure, as long as you are paying attention to what it may want to remove when you upgrade. (and it shouldn't be wanting to remove stuff often, if at all, since lenny is frozen and not changing much) |
| 15:25.17 | jpinx | I was very happy to work out how to copy my entire lenny on to other hdds and make them bootable. :) |
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| 15:25.53 | iridos | jpinx, so much more convenient than an install from CD :) |
| 15:26.14 | jpinx | iridos: yea - you're no kidding |
| 15:27.05 | jpinx | *not |
| 15:27.20 | mysteryc | ohh it's gonna download now like 700-800mb;p |
| 15:27.36 | jpinx | mysteryc: go and have a coffee ;) |
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| 15:28.13 | jpinx | mysteryc: it took about 30 minutes on my connection. that's why I worked out how to copy my OS |
| 15:28.40 | mysteryc | jpinx: Lol;p Nah, I gotta write this stupid essay for school. I should have given it in last week but half the class didn't do it (including me) and I have to give it tomorrow :( |
| 15:29.18 | jpinx | mysteryc: the beauty of Debian - you can continue working while it's upgrading |
| 15:29.33 | mysteryc | jpinx: Lol, yeah ;) |
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| 15:29.57 | jpinx | mysteryc: try doing that while you're going from XP to Vista :p |
| 15:30.05 | mysteryc | jpinx: Oh, dammit, I didn't download pidgin and now I'll have to logon to msn through that stupid meebo :/ |
| 15:30.27 | mysteryc | jpinx: Lol, the computer will freeze probably :) |
| 15:30.27 | Kebab_King | what do you guys think about the midori web browser |
| 15:30.35 | mysteryc | Never heard of it :s |
| 15:30.41 | Kebab_King | (webkit based, passes acid2 and acid3) |
| 15:30.55 | jpinx | mysteryc: it's only for 30 minutes while you're dong the upgrade |
| 15:30.58 | abrotman | if you like it, use it |
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| 15:31.09 | Kebab_King | i just started using it, 5 mins ago |
| 15:31.11 | amphi | Kebab_King: it's working pretty well for me, given webkit-gtk bugs |
| 15:31.23 | mysteryc | jpinx: Well, 30 mins with your connection. my connection is supposed to download at 200kbps but it's downloading at 50-70kbps :/ |
| 15:31.41 | amphi | builds webkit again |
| 15:31.41 | mysteryc | jpinx: It keeps on going mad these days :/ |
| 15:31.44 | jpinx | mysteryc: ho hum :| |
| 15:32.22 | amphi | Kebab_King: well enough that I rarely use iceweasel any more |
| 15:32.24 | mysteryc | jpinx: guess what, it jest reached 30kb :/ |
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| 15:32.59 | Kebab_King | sounds fine. |
| 15:33.02 | mysteryc | What do you guys thinka bout chrome? the web broswe of google? i tried it on my bro's laptop that runs windows, it's kinda ok. |
| 15:33.20 | Kebab_King | it may work fine but there is no linux port yet |
| 15:33.22 | mysteryc | *think about |
| 15:33.28 | mysteryc | yeah, too bad :/ |
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| 15:34.31 | mysteryc | anw guys, im off or else ill never get to finish that essay. it should be like 4 pages and i'm not even started! |
| 15:34.37 | mysteryc | so, thanks for the help! cya around! ;) =] |
| 15:34.52 | mysteryc | bb |
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| 15:35.00 | amphi | Kebab_King: are you using a packaged version, or building from git? |
| 15:35.23 | Kebab_King | amphi, packaged version |
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| 15:35.42 | amphi | Kebab_King: lenny? |
| 15:35.52 | Kebab_King | sid |
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| 15:36.37 | amphi | right, there's no lenny package, I see |
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| 15:37.15 | enouf | amphi: we have a pkg now? :-) |
| 15:37.22 | amphi | enouf: in sid, it seems |
| 15:37.27 | Kebab_King | the version in sid is 0.1.0 |
| 15:37.32 | enouf | issues a worthy; apt-get -s install midori |
| 15:37.35 | jymm | How can I see what all pkg's have been installed? |
| 15:37.38 | |fluxdude| | does anyknow a good way of generating an md5 pw hash with salt the same way the linux auth mechanism does? |
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| 15:38.04 | stew | |fluxdude|: mkpasswd -H MD5 |
| 15:38.24 | enouf | 3 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove <-- not too shabby ;-) |
| 15:38.32 | amphi | Kebab_King: doesn't mean that much |
| 15:38.35 | |fluxdude| | stew: don't have that on my system and is not in the package repo either... |
| 15:38.51 | amphi | Kebab_King: what's the most recent changelog entry? |
| 15:39.14 | stew | |fluxdude|: its in the whois pacakge (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 15:39.42 | Kebab_King | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/midori/midori_0.1.0-1/changelog <- there it is. look at it |
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| 15:40.37 | enouf | 1061kB/s heh, someone mentioned an issue with their mirror speed? :-P |
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| 15:41.36 | amphi | Kebab_King: thanks |
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| 15:41.56 | fluxdude | stew: thx |
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| 15:51.49 | klaim | is there a KDE version installer? and also, does v5 support SATA? v4 didn't recognize my HDD. |
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| 15:52.34 | jelly | klaim: the sata situation was remedied a bit with the "etchnhalf" installer for v4 |
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| 15:53.07 | klaim | jelly: should then work with v5. how about KDE v.? |
| 15:53.21 | OpenTokix | why on earth do you need a KDE installer? |
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| 15:53.46 | klaim | uhm. |
| 15:54.12 | amphi | perhaps he means one that installs kde with the 'desktop' tasksel option |
| 15:54.26 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 15:55.13 | jymm | when I go to purge and remove a package it says "11 not upgraded" ? |
| 15:55.17 | klaim | ah. ok. |
| 15:55.51 | jymm | when I go to purge and remove a package it says "11 not upgraded", any idea why? |
| 15:56.20 | klaim | apt-get update upgrade? |
| 15:56.36 | jymm | klaim: when I'm REMOVING a pkg? |
| 15:56.42 | amphi | klaim: if that's what you mean, you should perhaps just do a base install, and then install kde yourself |
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| 15:57.04 | klaim | amphi: okay. |
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| 15:57.35 | Thomas_ | hey anyone how is it now that i make the straigt line when i want to use "grep" this one - I |
| 15:57.41 | Thomas_ | but not an "i" but the line |
| 15:58.20 | amphi | Thomas_: | you mean? |
| 15:58.24 | Thomas_ | yea:D |
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| 15:58.40 | amphi | depends on your keyboard layout |
| 15:58.55 | amphi | shift-\ on mine |
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| 15:59.12 | Thomas_ | amphi, its danish but i cant find it anywhere:S |
| 15:59.34 | amphi | heh |
| 16:00.23 | bvk | what are the differences between s2ram, hibernate-ram and pm-suspend? |
| 16:00.23 | Teddy__ | Thomas_: Try the key left of backspace + AltGr |
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| 16:00.52 | Thomas_ | thx Teddy__ :D |
| 16:00.54 | Thomas_ | it worked:D |
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| 16:06.07 | iridos | Thomas_, and we call it 'pipe' :) |
| 16:06.23 | Thomas_ | iridos, aaah yea thats right:D my memory is very bad:P |
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| 16:08.25 | Thomas_ | if i want to see what rights a special folder has how do i do that ? |
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| 16:09.22 | Eulex | Thomas_, 'special folder'? |
| 16:09.45 | Thomas_ | Eulex, if i want to see what rights the folder /blabla/ has how do i do that? |
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| 16:09.55 | klaim | is 5.0 in 'stable' already? |
| 16:10.13 | Eulex | Thomas_, ls -ald /blabla/ |
| 16:10.16 | subsume | How can I tell how I installed apache? |
| 16:10.18 | Thomas_ | thx |
| 16:10.52 | jelly | klaim: no, lenny isn't released yet |
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| 16:11.54 | klaim | can't wait 'til it comes out. forget the bugs, let's get it on. |
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| 16:16.28 | Thomas_ | in somehow i deleted everything under /root/backup is there anyway i can recreate that ? |
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| 16:17.47 | Thomas_ | i only have ssh acces to the server |
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| 16:18.23 | Muisje | Hey, i'm having a weird error report in my syslog since upgrading my server. "openhpid: DEBUG: (threaded.c, 131, Error on harvest of events.)" |
| 16:18.24 | stew | Thomas_: probably not unless you have a backup. what filesystem are you using? ext3? |
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| 16:19.39 | Thomas_ | stew, my problem is that i had plesk on my system then the filesytem went crazy and leaseweb had to replace my disk, they mounted the disk under /root/backup but in somehow i deleted everything under backup (i never used rm or anything in that folder) so i dont know why it has gone:S and yes i think i use ext3 |
| 16:20.25 | stew | Thomas_: does it perhaps just need to be remounted? |
| 16:20.26 | et | but it's still mounted? |
| 16:20.54 | Thomas_ | stew, i think its still mounted because i can still se the folder but its empty:S |
| 16:21.31 | rhineheart_m | I need somebody's input why I couldn't "mtr IP" I will get command not found |
| 16:21.38 | stew | Thomas_: if it weren't mounted you'd find an empty folder instead of your data, check with "mount" to see if there is somehting mounted to that folder |
| 16:21.38 | et | the directory (not folder) is there regardless of being mounted or not. |
| 16:21.44 | subsume | Can someone tell me how my apache install is managed, or how I can verify it was installed via apt? |
| 16:21.45 | et | type "mount" so see if it is. |
| 16:22.13 | Thomas_ | stew and et can one of you tell me how to check if its still mounted? |
| 16:22.33 | Thomas_ | thomas-er-gud:/var/lib/mysql# mount /root/backup |
| 16:22.33 | Thomas_ | mount: can't find /root/backup in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 16:22.36 | stew | Thomas_: i think we both just did, use "mount" to see if you see something mounted to that folder |
| 16:22.46 | stew | Thomas_: just type "mount" to see what is currently mounted |
| 16:23.10 | Thomas_ | stew nothing when using "mount" is called /root/backup |
| 16:23.22 | stew | Thomas_: then likely it just needs to be re-mounted |
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| 16:23.30 | Thomas_ | how do i to that hehe :P? |
| 16:23.48 | stew | Thomas_: you need to know which partition to mount |
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| 16:24.09 | Thomas_ | i know nothing about any partition:D |
| 16:24.16 | stew | Thomas_: if you don't know "fdisk -l" should list all known partitions, which would give you a list of things to try. |
| 16:24.35 | stew | Thomas_: or perhaps you could get lucky and "grep mount /root/.bash_history" would tell you what command they used to mount |
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| 16:25.15 | Thomas_ | mount /dev/sdb5 /backup |
| 16:25.15 | Thomas_ | mount /dev/sdb5 backup |
| 16:25.16 | stew | Thomas_: but it sounds like perhaps you should ask whomever did this previously to do this again, but to alter /etc/fstab next time so that you can remount it easily yourself with "mount /root/backup" |
| 16:25.27 | Thomas_ | that says grep mount history |
| 16:25.40 | stew | Thomas_: try "mount /dev/sdb5 /root/backup" |
| 16:25.55 | stew | (or run the second one after "cd /root") |
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| 16:26.08 | Thomas_ | thomas-er-gud:/var/lib/mysql# mount /dev/sdb5/root/backup |
| 16:26.08 | Thomas_ | mount: can't find /dev/sdb5/root/backup in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 16:26.30 | stew | Thomas_: you removed an essential space from the command i gave you |
| 16:26.45 | Thomas_ | i wrote the command myself :) |
| 16:26.59 | stew | Thomas_: try the command i wrote instead |
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| 16:27.18 | Thomas_ | ohh it seems it worked |
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| 16:27.50 | happyhessian | does debian support a program for creating srt subtitles from a dvd. ksubtile only accepts movie files. |
| 16:28.05 | happyhessian | as in a dvd that hasn't been ripped/transcoded |
| 16:28.23 | Thomas_ | stew i copied your command and it just jumped to next line and with "mount" i see the backup folder now does that means it works? |
| 16:29.19 | stew | Thomas_: yes, no "ls /root/backup" should hopefully show the data you were expecting |
| 16:29.33 | Thomas_ | oh thank good it worked:D thanks man love ur people:D |
| 16:30.29 | arussel | I am using lvm. I moved a hard disk on the motherboard so hdd became hdb. Is there a way to just change this attribute ? |
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| 16:31.47 | petemc | arussel: tried runng vgscan? |
| 16:32.46 | stew | i'd expect lvm to be smart enough to not need any changes in this situation, 'vgchange -a y' should just pick it up from its new location |
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| 16:34.14 | gnuanu | do i need to rebuild kernel after installing Usplash in Sid? |
| 16:34.14 | petemc | i would generally run vgscan first anyways |
| 16:34.25 | arussel | ok thanks |
| 16:34.46 | Vorbote | gnuanu: only the initrd. Use update-initramfs. |
| 16:34.50 | stew | gnuanu: you shouldn't need to. if you did /usr/share/doc/README.Debian would tell you |
| 16:35.32 | gnuanu | vorbote, stew: ok thanks |
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| 16:36.39 | arussel | is it possible to have everything using lvm or do I need to have at least /boot on a "normal" partition ? |
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| 16:37.35 | Vorbote | arussel: you need at least a /boot partition. I prefer to have a root partition and leave usr, var, home and whatever extra mounts in lvm. |
| 16:37.37 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 16:38.10 | Vorbote | I mean, partitions. |
| 16:38.21 | stew | arussel: it depends on if you use grub or lilo or something else |
| 16:38.30 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'm running Lenny on a HP DV5-1030 (laptop so) and powertop told me that my bios only support C1, C2 and C6. To enter C6 mode you firs need to enter C4 so I can't only really use C1 and C2. I guess that I loss some autonomy because of that, is there anything I can do ? any idea ? |
| 16:39.22 | cr3rzemjest | what may be the reason that an app is not starting acording to startup script? sometimes i does, sometimes i doesn't.... i mean my mpd is down even tough in .fluxbox/startup there's 'mpd &' entry... but when i hit ctrl alt backspc then mpd is started |
| 16:39.46 | cr3rzemjest | excuse my gramatical mistakes |
| 16:40.44 | nkuttler | cr3rzemjest: isn't mpd supposed to be started through /etc/init.d/ ? check whatever log it writes to i guess |
| 16:40.48 | arussel | stew: I am using grub |
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| 16:41.03 | stew | arussel: then you need /boot to not be in lvm |
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| 16:41.26 | arussel | stew, Vorbote: thanks for your help |
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| 16:42.30 | cr3rzemjest | nkuttler, i suppose it is... but i have only 1 user so i thought its better idea to start it this way so that boot time's faster (i mean i won't be anyway... nvm) |
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| 16:45.56 | jvm_ | i started icedove and it didnt use my existent thunderbird account; how should i make it available? |
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| 16:49.07 | seed__ | I just compiled my kernel, I did an initrd-img with the command "mkinitrd -o myinitrd-img 2.6.26 " but when I boot my kernel I get a panic saying it could mount the boot root partition I think it's because of some missing modules, how can I generate a good initrd allowing loading needed modules? |
| 16:49.41 | iridos | !initrd |
| 16:49.41 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 16:50.36 | mhymn_ | !msg the bot |
| 16:50.36 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 16:50.49 | stew | seed__: you should not be using mkinitrd with a kernel newer than 2.6.12, use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools instead |
| 16:51.38 | seed__ | stew: is initramfs replacing initrd ? Won't initrd ever be used ? |
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| 16:52.47 | balazsbela | why do I need root for k3b to see the DVD writer ? |
| 16:52.50 | seed__ | stew: actually I knew initramfs would work, cause I tried yesterday but I though initrd was a better solution I don't know why |
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| 16:52.58 | stew | seed__: mkinitrd depends on devfs which was removed in 2.6.13, your only two options in debian are initramfs-tools and yaird, but yaird seems like a dead project |
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| 16:53.48 | nascentmind | hi. In netselect-apt i get the following message "netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 16:53.49 | nascentmind | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute." |
| 16:53.55 | dishwasher | which steps can i safely take automatically to attempt recovery from a broken dpkg or APT state? |
| 16:54.08 | nascentmind | i am not behind a firewall or a router. |
| 16:54.14 | seed__ | stew: thank you |
| 16:54.21 | dishwasher | i'm thinking of dpkg --configure -a and the like |
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| 16:54.45 | nascentmind | can anybody help me with that? |
| 16:54.52 | seed__ | stew: one last thing should my grub line looks like initrd /myinitramfs-img-xxx ? |
| 16:55.23 | seed__ | stew: or replace initrd with module ? |
| 16:55.27 | dishwasher | nascentmind, can you run a traceroute manually? |
| 16:55.27 | stew | seed__: yes, but "update-grub" should write these lines for you. are you compiling your own kernel? are you using make-kpkg to do this? |
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| 16:55.56 | nascentmind | dishwasher, yes |
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| 16:56.42 | seed__ | stew: I compile my own kernel and I make the init ram fs by hand as well, update grub doesn't work properly for me I have to re-edit afterwards so I don't use it |
| 16:56.57 | stew | seed__: why do you have to re-edit it afterwards? |
| 16:57.20 | stew | seed__: why hnot use 'make-kpkg' (with the --initrd option, so that the initrd is created automatically upon install)? (/msg dpkg kp) |
| 16:57.32 | nascentmind | dishwasher, what seems to be the problem? |
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| 16:58.03 | dishwasher | nascentmind, that's all i can think of right now, sorry. AFAIK netselect-apt is written in bash, so you can try running bash -x netselect-apt and see where it borks |
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| 16:59.39 | seed__ | stew: grub is wrong with my harddisk index it put hd1 instead of hd0 |
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| 17:00.09 | stew | seed__: then you just need to edit the "# groot=" |
| 17:00.32 | seed__ | stew: just saw it :) i'll try |
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| 17:00.48 | stew | seed__: note that the # should not be removed from that line |
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| 17:02.01 | nascentmind | dishwasher, does it work for you? also can i add the address manually? |
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| 17:02.28 | iridos | dishwasher, probably /msg dpkg status-recovery |
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| 17:03.47 | Kebab_King | #sinix hola |
| 17:04.02 | iridos | dishwasher, if with "broken apt state" you mean a lost status file... if you don't, paste your error to a pastebin |
| 17:04.04 | dishwasher | nascentmind, i haven't used it in a looong time. and back then it didn't work very well |
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| 17:04.30 | Kebab_King | fail. |
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| 17:04.34 | dishwasher | nascentmind, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 17:05.12 | dishwasher | iridos, i'm asking for conceptual reasons, i don't currently have an error to deal with |
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| 17:05.51 | dishwasher | iridos, i.e. i'm hacking an update deployment architecture |
| 17:06.23 | iridos | then you'll just have to see if that's what you meant :) |
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| 17:07.28 | dishwasher | iridos, :) it's one possible case when dpkg will exit withg an error, i'm trying to catch and - if possible - fix automatically as many as possible. |
| 17:09.16 | iridos | dishwasher, I don't think that it's good to catch a lost status automatically... that's as serious as it gets regarding breaking the packaging system and it's rather good that the person owning the system knows about it |
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| 17:09.24 | nascentmind | dishwasher, k.. changed the mirror from france to japan.. should see how it goes. |
| 17:09.50 | dishwasher | iridos, pretty sure. |
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| 17:11.45 | iridos | dishwasher, what I'd personally wish for was more help from dpkg when one of the postinstall/preinstall scripts fails - most of those things are trivial to fix, but it's always so much of a hassle to get to the script in the first place... |
| 17:11.46 | Kebab_King | oh i accidentally sent a message using /wallchan. it seems it sent a message to all the active channels, crap. |
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| 17:14.18 | sobersabre | hi. I am trying to setup "multiseat" system, and I hoped somebody can advice me which direction is the surest shot. |
| 17:14.24 | sobersabre | I have dual head 1 card. |
| 17:14.40 | sobersabre | so I have the option of using: Xnest, Xephyr or Xgl nesting. |
| 17:14.49 | sobersabre | which is the most stable ? |
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| 17:15.18 | dishwasher | iridos, indeed. that should not pose a threat in this case, though, at least if it's deterministic, since we'll have preceeding test runs on computers with the exact same configuration |
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| 17:16.34 | hudu | What do you use to watch youtube videos? (NE1 who ever does or has done that) |
| 17:16.34 | hudu | Is it a package in (etch main contrib non-free) or do I have to compile it myself? |
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| 17:18.00 | stew | hudu: you'd need to add backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo ; then install 'gnash' if you want a free player, or 'flashplugin-nonfree' from their contrib repository if you want the non-free player from adobe |
| 17:18.32 | RichiH | hmm, iirc the CPU ids were dropped after Pentium 3. what is the canonical way to get a unique ID per machine? |
| 17:18.40 | hudu | stew: thanks |
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| 17:19.47 | iridos | RichiH, network-mac, serial number from HD (hdparm -I) |
| 17:21.25 | cahoot_ | RichiH: dmidecode lists an UUID for my laptop at least |
| 17:21.30 | RichiH | iridos: macs can be changed and hdparm does not work on xen boxes |
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| 17:22.02 | RichiH | cahoot_: hmm |
| 17:22.51 | iridos | RichiH, I know that macs can be changed... you didn't ask for a "perfect way" that cannot be betrayed, either.... (and I'm not sure there is one) |
| 17:23.25 | RichiH | iridos: true |
| 17:23.31 | iridos | but macs are *supposed* to be unique... so if the guy didn't change it to match a different one, they are a pretty good approximation to "unique" |
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| 17:25.00 | RichiH | iridos: problem with macs is that it's not unusual for us to copy a VM |
| 17:25.17 | RichiH | while we do change the addresses and use the private numberspace, errors can happen |
| 17:25.25 | RichiH | and in exactly that situation, macs fail |
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| 17:26.10 | iridos | but in a VM *all* hardware will be simulated, so all "unique identification" would be copied anyways when you copy a VM, no? |
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| 17:28.05 | RichiH | cahoot: that id you get is not unique |
| 17:28.07 | CoolCold | hi |
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| 17:28.18 | CoolCold | how i can check chung size of raid array? |
| 17:28.26 | RichiH | i have two boxes from the same manufacturer and the UUID & ID match |
| 17:28.48 | CoolCold | mdadm -D /dev/md doesn't help |
| 17:28.55 | cahoot | RichiH: I see - and furthermore not presented on one of my desktops |
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| 17:29.14 | RichiH | cahoot: bleh |
| 17:29.19 | RichiH | bleh upon bleh |
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| 17:30.58 | iridos | RichiH, calculate a checksum over the boot block and the MBR :) |
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| 17:32.11 | RichiH | iridos: the MBR can change while the hardware stays the same |
| 17:32.21 | adb | 'testing' is testing freezee , qq |
| 17:32.21 | adb | oops |
| 17:32.54 | iridos | yes, I know... but this time you're erring on the other side :) |
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| 17:32.59 | iridos | !freeze adb |
| 17:33.00 | dpkg | prepares to release adb. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
| 17:33.15 | stew | RichiH: uuid the / partition? |
| 17:33.26 | Muisje | Hey, i'm having a weird error report in my syslog since upgrading my server. "openhpid: DEBUG: (threaded.c, 131, Error on harvest of events.)" |
| 17:33.44 | Muisje | What is it even for... i don't recall ever using it :/ |
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| 17:41.00 | shovi | debian wasnt able to detect my internet conn when trying to install |
| 17:41.10 | shovi | what do i do |
| 17:42.05 | RichiH | stew: how do i read those? preferably from /sys /proc or with a small cli tool |
| 17:42.06 | cahoot | wireless? |
| 17:43.03 | themill | RichiH: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 17:43.26 | shovi | well |
| 17:43.33 | shovi | i have wireless, tryed it first, nothing |
| 17:43.35 | shovi | then tryed wired |
| 17:43.46 | shovi | nothin either |
| 17:44.05 | cahoot | shovi: nothing shown by ifconfig -a? |
| 17:44.18 | shovi | i was at the install screen |
| 17:44.22 | shovi | from net install |
| 17:44.48 | RichiH | themill: neat |
| 17:44.58 | cahoot | shovi: you can access a tty (alt-f2 or such) |
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| 17:46.29 | shovi | so |
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| 17:46.44 | shovi | i should enter the ip manually? |
| 17:47.03 | shovi | i have the conn going thru 2 routers... dont if that would confuse it |
| 17:47.09 | shovi | know* |
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| 17:48.43 | rdz | hi all. i am trying to compile a kernel module, but i get an error: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.27/Module.symvers is missing. what can i do about it? |
| 17:49.18 | jvm | hi. after i instaled compiz with apt-get install compiz on lenny, how would i use it? just typing in compiz in the console leads to no window decoration. |
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| 18:00.31 | Corwin | What is the correct Debian way to set primary_hostname on Exim4 w/split config files? |
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| 18:04.47 | dumgord | does somebody know the right directory for the flashplugin.so file so i can watch flash in iceweasel on debian etch 4.0 |
| 18:04.49 | dumgord | ?? |
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| 18:05.15 | Corwin | dumgord: use gnash |
| 18:05.17 | themill | dpkg: tell dumgord about adobe flash |
| 18:05.28 | themill | dumgord: there are debian packages for flash |
| 18:05.49 | Corwin | themill: not really, only for 32bit |
| 18:06.03 | themill | Corwin: nspluginwrapper |
| 18:06.20 | Jasper | hej guys, how can I remove all dirs and all subdirs that have the name reminders? |
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| 18:06.38 | Corwin | My experience with nspluginwrapper for flash is it works on Ubuntu but not Debian |
| 18:06.40 | deadcat | my hda is making clicking sound. it seems dead but i need some files from the drive. like my /home (last backup was sep 13th) what do i do? |
| 18:06.55 | Corwin | deadcat: read about ddrescue |
| 18:06.58 | deadcat | actually i am pretty sure its dead |
| 18:07.01 | themill | Corwin: and if dumgord is asking where to stick the .so file then he's looking to manually install things so thinks they are able to be installed |
| 18:07.02 | deadcat | Corwin: k |
| 18:07.58 | Corwin | deadcat: its' confusing because dd_rescue and ddrescue are NOT the same program |
| 18:08.10 | deadcat | Corwin: oh... let me install it |
| 18:08.49 | deadcat | Corwin: but the computer has to see the device though right? (= |
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| 18:09.03 | Corwin | deadcat: There are some really good drive recovery videos on Youtube from a guys presentation at both Defcon and Tourcon (sp?) |
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| 18:09.21 | Corwin | deadcat: yes |
| 18:09.25 | deadcat | Corwin: doh. |
| 18:09.33 | ReKlipz | so, how long until the 64bit non-free flash plugin is available in lenny official repos? |
| 18:09.54 | themill | ReKlipz: it will never be in lenny, just as the 32 bit version is not in lenny |
| 18:09.56 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.21 | deadcat | Corwin: [43391.392000] usb 1-2.3: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 18:10.24 | ReKlipz | themill: is that because it is getting ready to move to stable? |
| 18:10.50 | stew | ReKlipz: it will be made availalbe from backports.org when lenny releases. flash changes too frequently for stable |
| 18:11.09 | ReKlipz | themill: so, how long until it is in unstable? |
| 18:11.15 | themill | ReKlipz: no, it's because Adobe doesn't provide stable security support so it's not suitable for release with stable. For more details /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 18:11.21 | ReKlipz | just trying to figure out how long these things take |
| 18:11.26 | rjent | Greetings, can I could smbfs in the kernel? |
| 18:11.27 | stew | ReKlipz: its already in unstable (in contrib) |
| 18:11.33 | themill | ReKlipz: It's only a beta at present and was only announced today, wasn't it? |
| 18:11.42 | ReKlipz | themill: yes |
| 18:11.48 | stew | oh, there is a 64 bit native one now? |
| 18:11.48 | deadcat | Corwin: the pin? is not reading the disk i guess. or trying to move |
| 18:11.55 | ReKlipz | stew, indeed |
| 18:12.11 | deadcat | its all nfs' fault. |
| 18:12.14 | themill | stew: http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/17/adobe_64_bit_linux_flash_10_alpha/ |
| 18:12.23 | themill | EURLTOOLONG! ugh |
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| 18:12.52 | deadcat | Corwin: should i shake it a little? |
| 18:12.56 | Corwin | deadcat: the drive usually reads the model and size info off the disk, it may not be assigning hda/sda etc because it doesn;t get that far along in the process |
| 18:13.14 | stew | ReKlipz: you could see it in experimental soon, it probably wouldn't go into unstable while marked as alpha |
| 18:13.18 | Corwin | deadcat: nope, but putting it in the freezer for a day could possibly help |
| 18:13.18 | deadcat | Corwin: ya.. so i am toasted? |
| 18:13.38 | deadcat | Corwin: for real? |
| 18:13.47 | Corwin | deadcat: nope, watch the videos. I swapppped a platter out of a drive a few weeks ago and recovered 100% of the data on it |
| 18:13.52 | themill | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 18:13.53 | judd | themill: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.8 (experimental/contrib) |
| 18:13.54 | Corwin | deadcat: seriously. |
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| 18:13.59 | deadcat | Corwin: DAMN!!!! |
| 18:14.20 | ReKlipz | themill: so, it's already there? |
| 18:14.27 | Corwin | the drive the patter was in had a shot bearing - it sounded like a jet plane taking off |
| 18:14.36 | themill | ReKlipz: no, sorry, that's the 32 bit version with nspluginwrapper |
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| 18:14.54 | deadcat | Corwin: can you give me the link to watch. |
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| 18:14.57 | ReKlipz | themill: ah, roger that |
| 18:14.57 | Corwin | it was a single platter drive so it was really easy, and I had the same model on hand |
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| 18:15.25 | Corwin | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=drive+recovery+defcon&search_type=&aq=f |
| 18:15.26 | themill | ReKlipz: I was just getting bit ahead of myself on that one :) |
| 18:15.38 | ReKlipz | kind of off topic, but this is a recent development. anyone ever had to deal with samsung HDD warranty/RMA? |
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| 18:15.52 | ReKlipz | themill: it's ok to be excited, =P |
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| 18:16.20 | Corwin | What is the correct Debian way to set primary_hostname on Exim4 w/split config files? |
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| 18:17.07 | proberts | can you create a "local mirror" from a DVD? |
| 18:17.13 | jvm | my compiz is working now, but half of my keyboard shortcuts in gnome vanished; and i dont know how to bring them back. any hint? |
| 18:17.31 | ReKlipz | jvm, you need to reconfigure the shortcuts using compizconfig-settings-manager |
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| 18:17.41 | Corwin | proberts: dvdrip? vobcopy? mplayer? |
| 18:17.55 | ReKlipz | jvm, it should be under the "general" settings |
| 18:17.59 | jvm | ReKlipz, but some of them are still there? in the keyboard shortcuts dialog. |
| 18:18.06 | proberts | Corwin: I want to build my own mirror to do network installs from my lan |
| 18:18.09 | ReKlipz | jvm, some of them are defaulted |
| 18:18.13 | proberts | and I don' twant to download 30G of data |
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| 18:18.29 | proberts | I already have the DVD I used to install a template system |
| 18:18.34 | proberts | and I'd like to use that |
| 18:18.42 | themill | proberts: apt-cacher might be handy for you then |
| 18:18.45 | Corwin | proberts: I thihnk there is some apt-proxy |
| 18:19.23 | proberts | if I just copy the dvd to a filesystem that has HTTP access will that work? |
| 18:20.05 | jvm | ReKlipz, you do not happen to know what the command to open the gnome "application run" dialog is, do you? |
| 18:20.17 | deadcat | Corwin: damn. i have an hourly backup of /home/deadcat going to a diff partition on the SAME hdd. )=, i also have it going to a file server via nfs but fucking nfs has been giving me trouble with perm because i have diff users in /home and i dont want users to only see their own dir.... dammit!!! |
| 18:20.44 | ReKlipz | jvm, alt+f2 |
| 18:20.56 | Corwin | deadcat: What size is the drive? |
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| 18:21.33 | jvm | right. i reconfigured it in the past. |
| 18:21.52 | deadcat | Corwin: 80gb |
| 18:22.08 | jvm | ReKlipz, how come alt+f2 does still work, but the "run dialog" is not shown anymore in the keyboard shortcuts dialog, as it was before? |
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| 18:22.36 | Corwin | deadcat: ok, that's good news that it's not a huge drive. The lower the density the more likely it is that you can recover data |
| 18:22.42 | ReKlipz | jvm, the gnome keyboard shortcuts settings? |
| 18:22.48 | jvm | ReKlipz, yeah. |
| 18:22.54 | Corwin | You need to google the model and find out how many platters is in that drive |
| 18:23.20 | deadcat | Corwin: oh.. ok.. |
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| 18:23.36 | ReKlipz | jvm: it's because thats settings specific to metacity, compiz uses it's own |
| 18:23.54 | Corwin | deadcat: The youtube videos are awesome, you really want to spend some time taking them in |
| 18:23.55 | deadcat | Corwin: its gonna be one hell of a job just to get few text files and like 10 mp3s (= |
| 18:24.03 | deadcat | Corwin: thanks. will do |
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| 18:25.22 | deadcat | i am thinking of getting the apple wileless keyboard. (bluetooth). anyone using one? functional? |
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| 18:28.24 | jvm | thanks a lot ReKlipz. |
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| 18:28.31 | ReKlipz | jvm, no problem |
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| 18:30.14 | itamarjp | hi |
| 18:30.43 | itamarjp | anyone can recomend a source.list for debian 4.0 ? |
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| 18:33.17 | deadcat | itamarjp: apt-setup doesnt work? |
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| 18:34.48 | deadcat | Corwin: man. the bad hdd was from a woody install. )= |
| 18:34.57 | iridos | itamarjp, /msg dpkg sources.list , also /msg dpkg apt-spy and /msg dpkg debian mirrors |
| 18:36.33 | Corwin | deadcat: that's rather old.... I just orders some Hatachi 1TB drives to replace my seagate 750's in my ZFS file server. I try to get rid of my drives after a year or two |
| 18:37.12 | deadcat | Corwin: oh.. well my comp is a p3 |
| 18:37.54 | itamarjp | apt-setup is not installed |
| 18:38.15 | itamarjp | iridos: no luck |
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| 18:42.06 | desertmax | (concerning Debian Lenny) Hello. My PC does not shutdown, when I use System -> Shutdown (GNOME), but everything works, when running "shutdown -h now" or "halt" as root. Does somebody know what could be wrong? Thanks. |
| 18:42.26 | iridos | itamarjp, the sources.list factoid should have everything you need, without any apt-setup |
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| 18:43.58 | stew | itamarjp: apt-setup no longer exists except embedded in the installer |
| 18:44.02 | jpinx | I'm looking for a really lightweight VM for debian like Plex86 |
| 18:44.06 | mick_laptop | anyone ever did a "screen sharing" between linux and windows? i'd like to show someone how to use a site (I'm on Linux) and they can barely use Windows |
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| 18:44.27 | Corwin | mick_laptop: seamless RDP? |
| 18:46.02 | Kebab_King | mick_laptop, kvm? lol |
| 18:46.16 | itamarjp | my source.list is clean |
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| 18:46.28 | itamarjp | can you send me a example of source.lists for debian 4.0 ? |
| 18:46.48 | iridos | !sources.list |
| 18:46.48 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:47.00 | iridos | it's really just these two lines you need |
| 18:47.27 | iridos | "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" where you replace <cc> by your country code (e.g. "us") |
| 18:47.41 | stew | mick_laptop: what do you want both parties to see? a linux desktop? a windows desktop? linux terminal session? |
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| 18:48.06 | simonrvn | you need the security line too |
| 18:48.53 | iridos | I said "two lines" but the other one doesn't even need any editing... |
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| 18:49.27 | mick_laptop | stew: firefox |
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| 18:50.01 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.22 | mick_laptop | right click on it and "delete" |
| 18:50.27 | stew | mick_laptop: then use vnc |
| 18:50.33 | mick_laptop | or am i thinking of something else |
| 18:50.39 | desertmax | remove the according bookmarks @sylar |
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| 18:51.05 | mick_laptop | stew: i thought of that - but is there no better way? |
| 18:51.07 | itamarjp | dpkg: thanks alot for your help, I have grab the /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:51.07 | dpkg | de rien, itamarjp |
| 18:51.31 | stew | mick_laptop: better how? |
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| 18:51.52 | sylar | mick_laptop, right click opens it |
| 18:52.11 | sylar | desertmax, it is not in the bookmark menu |
| 18:52.11 | mick_laptop | all i want to do is share one window |
| 18:52.25 | mick_laptop | and vnc requires port forwarding |
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| 18:57.36 | twobitsprite | mick_laptop: webex, but I think that costs money |
| 18:58.33 | twobitsprite | and I'm not sure if it runs in linux |
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| 18:59.28 | cn | hi people |
| 18:59.51 | twobitsprite | yoyoyoyoyo |
| 18:59.56 | cn | do you know any editor that can move cursor to a line relative to the current position? |
| 19:00.06 | twobitsprite | yes |
| 19:00.08 | twobitsprite | most should |
| 19:00.14 | cn | go to line from the current cursor position |
| 19:00.20 | cn | not really i can't with gedit |
| 19:00.37 | twobitsprite | well... use a Real(tm) editor, like vi |
| 19:00.55 | cn | what is the command twobitsprite ? |
| 19:01.06 | twobitsprite | in vi its 10j (or whatever number you want) |
| 19:01.17 | Eulex | 10j to move 10 lines down, yes |
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| 19:01.19 | twobitsprite | or, 10k for up |
| 19:01.20 | amphi | cn: in vim, :+/-N |
| 19:01.30 | ma3x | hello! if I'm behind nat, i can't ssh to my machine, right? |
| 19:01.40 | twobitsprite | amphi: that too, but <count>j/k is easier |
| 19:02.02 | twobitsprite | ma3x: check your pronouns... sounds like to you're trying to ssh to the same machine you are on |
| 19:02.05 | amphi | twobitsprite: more economical, true |
| 19:02.17 | cn | ah, thanks guys! :) |
| 19:02.27 | ma3x | twobitsprite: i meant from another machine |
| 19:02.48 | twobitsprite | ma3x: which one is behind the NAT? |
| 19:02.56 | ReKlipz | ma3x: twobitsprite, still sounds like both are |
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| 19:03.06 | ma3x | not both |
| 19:03.06 | ma3x | only mine |
| 19:03.13 | cn | :quit |
| 19:03.15 | cn | oop |
| 19:03.16 | cn | :D |
| 19:03.17 | twobitsprite | which one is "mine"? the local or remote host? |
| 19:03.22 | ma3x | local |
| 19:03.25 | cn | let me test |
| 19:03.35 | ma3x | okay, local is behind nat, i'm trying to ssh from remote to local |
| 19:03.35 | twobitsprite | Not an editor command: D |
| 19:03.48 | mick_laptop | twobitsprite: and it is windows only, and it sucks |
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| 19:04.06 | twobitsprite | ma3x: if the local system is behind NAT, and the remote isn't, there shouldn't be a problem |
| 19:04.18 | twobitsprite | provided the port isn't blocked or anything |
| 19:04.22 | stew | twobitsprite: other way around |
| 19:04.40 | ma3x | hehe, he still didn't figure out what i'm saying |
| 19:04.53 | ma3x | i told you nice, from remote ssh -> local |
| 19:05.11 | twobitsprite | ma3x: ohh, missed your last one... the "local" system is always the one your trying to connect _from_ ... mixing them up is confusing |
| 19:05.27 | stew | ma3x: if the ssh server is behind nat, then the firewall would have to forward the port for the ssh server |
| 19:05.52 | ma3x | stew: let's opt that out as possibility |
| 19:06.17 | ma3x | then check this out: |
| 19:06.22 | ma3x | if i ssh from local to remote |
| 19:06.34 | ma3x | can't i just run screen there |
| 19:06.47 | twobitsprite | please use punctuation instead of spamming a bunch of seperate lines |
| 19:06.47 | ma3x | and then when i login to remote (locally) to reattach from there? |
| 19:06.54 | ma3x | alright alrght |
| 19:07.37 | ma3x | say you have 2 locations, 1 = behind nat; 2 = free |
| 19:07.57 | ma3x | you wanna ssh from location 2 to location 1 |
| 19:07.59 | ma3x | how do you do it? |
| 19:08.20 | twobitsprite | have the router forward port 22 to the server (system 1) |
| 19:08.22 | stew | by having the NATing firewall forward a port |
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| 19:08.55 | ma3x | what if i ssh from location 1 to location 2 and run screen, and then i go physically to location 2 and do screen -r |
| 19:08.59 | ma3x | won't that reattach? |
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| 19:09.15 | ma3x | i dunno if i'm clear yet |
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| 19:09.27 | ma3x | first i'm present at location 1 and then i'm present at location 2 |
| 19:09.33 | twobitsprite | screen is only running on system 2 and won't magically be able to run processes on system 1 |
| 19:09.38 | stew | ma3x: yes, that will reattach to the screen session on location 2, but give you no access to the box in location 1 |
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| 19:09.56 | ma3x | stew: uhm you're right |
| 19:09.59 | stew | ma3x: if you can ssh from 1 to 2, you could forward a port via an ssh tunnel |
| 19:10.10 | ma3x | that's what im talking about |
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| 19:10.19 | ma3x | i can ssh from 1 to 2 |
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| 19:10.29 | ma3x | how do i run forward that port then? |
| 19:10.58 | twobitsprite | ma3x: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/02/23/wep.html |
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| 19:11.04 | ReKlipz | ma3x: that depends on your NATing configuration |
| 19:11.22 | ma3x | nat forwarding on location 1 is not possible |
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| 19:11.55 | proberts | anyone know how to do local network installs with Debian? |
| 19:12.09 | twobitsprite | ma3x: sounds to me like your trying to set up a tunnel to your work from home :) |
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| 19:12.31 | twobitsprite | ma3x: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-5779944.html?tag=nl.e011 |
| 19:12.35 | twobitsprite | ssh reverse tunneling |
| 19:12.41 | stew | ma3x: you'd forward a port using ssh -R |
| 19:12.47 | ma3x | twobitsprite: my work has ssh enabled, but my home is behind nat |
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| 19:14.55 | Roconda | hi, when installing php5-gd by packagetree I get a; cannot open shared object, no such file directory. Using debbie lenny. |
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| 19:15.22 | ma3x | so to do this, you need to have control over NAT on one location? |
| 19:15.22 | stew | Roconda: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:15.27 | stew | ma3x: no |
| 19:15.54 | ma3x | stew: how do you bind the port then? locally? |
| 19:16.07 | Roconda | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1259597 |
| 19:16.08 | stew | ma3x: with ssh -L |
| 19:17.19 | stew | Roconda: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 php5-common php5-gd" |
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| 19:17.49 | stew | Roconda: and what command did you run that produced that error? or where did you find it? |
| 19:18.34 | Roconda | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1259604 |
| 19:18.44 | bildpunkt | hey i want to reinstall my debian. my debian is set up on an encrypted lvm2 device (/boot unencrypted, / and /home on encrypted lvm) how can i reinstall debian and keep my home partition? |
| 19:18.46 | Roconda | stew: It's in my apache errorlog |
| 19:19.14 | stew | Roconda: how did you install php5-gd? |
| 19:19.23 | stew | Roconda: (becuase it doesn't seem to be installed currently) |
| 19:19.54 | Roconda | stew: apt-get install php5-gd |
| 19:20.05 | stew | Roconda: that command must have failed |
| 19:20.13 | stew | Roconda: can you run it again and show is the output? |
| 19:20.18 | Roconda | stew: shall I purge and reinstall ? |
| 19:20.28 | Roconda | okay |
| 19:20.36 | stew | Roconda: there is no need to purge it |
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| 19:23.05 | Roconda | stew: you were right, it wasn't installed .. (sorry for that nonsense problem) but captcha is still not working |
| 19:23.10 | marina_ | hi all! |
| 19:23.52 | marina_ | i have a question about pxe |
| 19:24.08 | marina_ | i need to setup a pxe server that will let specific machines on the network install pre-made images, with custom packages and configs |
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| 19:24.46 | marina_ | can anyone point me to a good howto on the topic of creating such images from a running system? |
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| 19:25.18 | marina_ | and howto on letting PXE point the nodes to these custom images and just let them install that? |
| 19:25.37 | marina_ | i do not want the nodes to download the packages from the online repositories if possible |
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| 19:26.16 | teratoma | marina_: you could use fai |
| 19:26.26 | marina_ | what is fai? |
| 19:26.44 | teratoma | system for pxe booting deb based systems |
| 19:26.58 | teratoma | i hear you can do it with preseed too, i have no experience with that though |
| 19:27.13 | teratoma | google for 'fai' and 'debian' |
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| 19:27.51 | Serg[GPRS] | hi ! how to install silently the .deb package what asks for dialog configuration, and how to provide parameters for it ? |
| 19:27.57 | marina_ | ok thanks. what about taking a live system and turning it into an image? |
| 19:28.02 | marina_ | sort of like cloning? |
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| 19:29.38 | nkuttler | Serg[GPRS]: hm? dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
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| 19:30.12 | teratoma | marina_: http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ says it will do that. i have not used it. |
| 19:30.36 | marina_ | teratoma: thanks, will look into that |
| 19:30.37 | Elive_user36_en | hi all can some one look here http://www.kwunitarians.co.uk/ and tell me if they dee a black box on the left or it they actually can see the wrighting |
| 19:31.03 | Elive_user36_en | *see |
| 19:31.20 | Serg[GPRS] | nkuttler: no, "apt-get -y install postfix" and lots of dialog questions. I wanna answer them in file beforehands and install with no dialog displayed |
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| 19:32.17 | nkuttler | Serg[GPRS]: man 7 debconf |
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| 19:33.45 | simonrvn | "writing" |
| 19:33.58 | psicobra | yeah that 2 |
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| 19:34.18 | psicobra | simonrvn, did you see writing or black box? |
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| 19:34.41 | simonrvn | neither. just a moment.. |
| 19:35.04 | psicobra | thanks |
| 19:35.51 | simonrvn | the text is fine |
| 19:36.12 | psicobra | ok that neans i don't hae font in this system |
| 19:36.32 | simonrvn | that shouldn't matter, the browser should have a fallback |
| 19:36.46 | psicobra | *means don't suppose u can tell what font it is |
| 19:36.56 | simonrvn | in your css, you should also define a fallback |
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| 19:37.09 | psicobra | i tried opera and iceweasel |
| 19:37.21 | simonrvn | i always just use the family names |
| 19:38.12 | simonrvn | and if i do use a font, says a sans-serif, you add ", sans-serif" after the font name |
| 19:38.26 | psicobra | so on the left you can see a black box with text in it? |
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| 19:41.15 | gloin | ok, I've asked dpkg about this, but it's not working out. I took a bone-stock etch box and upgrade it to lenny, and it dies on "waiting for root filesystem" |
| 19:41.29 | gloin | I looked around and saw suggestions to use yaird for the initramfs |
| 19:41.42 | gloin | and then saw one holy hell of a flamewar over removal of yard from lenny |
| 19:41.44 | simonrvn | !waiting for root filesystem |
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| 19:41.51 | simonrvn | tf? |
| 19:42.16 | simonrvn | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 19:42.16 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
| 19:42.17 | gloin | fortunatly, it's a snapshotted vm, so reversion is easy :) |
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| 19:42.30 | stew | oh was yaird removed from lenny? that's good |
| 19:42.51 | Serg[GPRS] | nkuttler: thanks, will read |
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| 19:43.07 | gloin | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457177 |
| 19:43.10 | gloin | freaking hilarious |
| 19:43.14 | gloin | but not helpful |
| 19:43.15 | stew | yeah, i'm reading it |
| 19:43.19 | gloin | simonrvn: thanks for your help |
| 19:43.35 | Roconda | stew: when installed php5-gd apache shows when using php just a plain page |
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| 19:45.27 | simonrvn | oh here we go with the nitpick battle. (reading the bts entry) |
| 19:45.40 | gloin | simonrvn: it gets better than that. Trust me ;) |
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| 19:46.10 | gloin | is Sven Luther in here? |
| 19:46.13 | gloin | :D |
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| 19:51.08 | gloin | interesting |
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| 19:51.33 | gloin | the entry for Waiting for root file system does not address the problem I'm seeing. |
| 19:52.13 | gloin | I think it's more a udev problem... the disk never gets a /dev entry that I can see |
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| 19:52.26 | gloin | grub config appears correct |
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| 19:54.00 | stew | gloin: did you just switch kernels? |
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| 19:54.14 | simonrvn | the disk has built-in or initrd driver? |
| 19:54.25 | gloin | stew: yeah, and apparentl magic initrd build didn't work right |
| 19:54.31 | gloin | apparently* |
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| 19:54.34 | stew | gloin: can you boot your old kernel? |
| 19:54.39 | gloin | stew: yep |
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| 19:55.14 | stew | gloin: you might try booting the old kernel and rebuilding the initrd for the new kernel with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" |
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| 19:56.55 | gloin | gives stew's idea a shot |
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| 19:57.58 | zack23 | Is there a way to have SCP setup do people can only see their home directories? |
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| 19:58.44 | stew | zack23: you can with scponly |
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| 19:58.50 | gloin | stew: no joy. Still won't see the root fs. This is a lenny x86 running as guest on vmware server. 2.6.18-5 works fine, 2.6.26-1 fails. |
| 19:58.56 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 19:59.03 | gloin | it gets all the way to "Begin:" |
| 19:59.06 | gloin | and that's where it dies |
| 19:59.24 | zack23 | stew: thank you - I'll have to do this with certain users |
| 20:00.15 | unseensoul | how can I get my memory card reader (pci) working? |
| 20:00.37 | thinline | does anyone know of a firewall (with web interface like smoothwall) that does graphs by IP or mac address? I need to find something that will let me determine utilization for each client on the network (that is not switch based) I know this is a bit off topic... |
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| 20:00.51 | Jolt | hi |
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| 20:02.13 | sgeigerbot | Where in the Apache2 config do you set the user and group that the log files get written with? I seem to have created a new group ("adm") for admins who should look at the logs. I see "create 640 root adm" in my logrotate config file (/etc/logrotate.d/apache2), but it seems that apache should be writing logs with group "adm" in the first place. I'm trying to set this same configuration up on another machine, but I seem to be |
| 20:02.13 | sgeigerbot | overlooking something in the apache config. |
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| 20:02.57 | sgeigerbot | On the new machine, apache writes the logs as root:root. |
| 20:03.06 | themill | sgeigerbot: apache2 uses adm here by default (etch) |
| 20:03.26 | pkcahier | mmm, how can one modify a big file's first byte/last byte in a fast manner? |
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| 20:03.42 | pkcahier | (without touching to the rest of the file) |
| 20:03.48 | sgeigerbot | themill: Hmm. The new box is a RedHat box. Perhaps that's the problem. How can I change this? |
| 20:03.49 | pkcahier | editors try to parse the \n so it takes forever |
| 20:04.33 | stew | sgeigerbot: configuring logrotate should be enough, logrotate should create an empty logfile with the correct ownership/permission, then restart apache, and apache should start writing to the already existing, empty file |
| 20:04.42 | themill | sgeigerbot: perhaps look at what channel you're currently in here and ask redhat not us? #rhel ... |
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| 20:06.18 | gloin | huh, looks like I found the answer |
| 20:06.19 | gloin | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2945064#post2945064 |
| 20:06.25 | gloin | udev, argh, the pain |
| 20:07.18 | sgeigerbot | stew: logrotate won't write the initial log files--apache does that. Correct? So the logs will be owned by root:root until logrotate comes along. Correct? |
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| 20:08.42 | stew | sgeigerbot: in debian, logrotate creates the inital log file, i don't know about redhat |
| 20:08.45 | sgeigerbot | themill: :-p |
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| 20:09.13 | sgeigerbot | stew: really? Hmm. Oh, I get it. Apache just takes the log file that is there and uses it. |
| 20:09.15 | sgeigerbot | Hmm. |
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| 20:10.03 | Nakeido | how do i create an new user and prevent it from going out of its home directory? |
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| 20:11.35 | kunwon1 | Nakeido, chroot |
| 20:12.11 | Nakeido | chroot? |
| 20:12.23 | kunwon1 | Nakeido, yes, chroot |
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| 20:12.43 | Nakeido | in what way would i have to use it? |
| 20:12.50 | kunwon1 | !chroot |
| 20:12.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 20:12.59 | et | !dchroot |
| 20:13.05 | steven__ | exit |
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| 20:19.21 | simonrvn | holy smokes... |
| 20:19.31 | ReKlipz | ? |
| 20:19.33 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: HI ! :) |
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| 20:20.33 | sgeigerbot | recalls that he has some fans: <mhall> sgeiger-bot could actually be a bot. judging by the length and sophistication of sgeiger apt factoids, an sgeiger bot could probably pass the turing test <simonrvn> mhall: no he's got some fancy scripts going, which kick butt i might add <sgeiger-bot> simonrvn: thanks. <simonrvn> i try to be honest :) |
| 20:20.44 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:20.55 | stian2 | how do I use env. vars? |
| 20:20.59 | simonrvn | you still have that? hehe |
| 20:21.09 | simonrvn | stian2: man bash; /export |
| 20:21.16 | sgeigerbot | recalls that simonrvn works in HEAVEN: Mac World |
| 20:21.18 | stian2 | lovely! |
| 20:21.26 | zl_benson | Is this a room for noobs? |
| 20:21.33 | jelly | pkcahier: one way that comes to mind is dd-ing to the file with conv=notrunc |
| 20:21.39 | stew | zl_benson: sure, if you have a question, just ask : |
| 20:21.40 | simonrvn | !tell zl_benson -about ask |
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| 20:21.51 | zl_benson | Cool |
| 20:22.06 | jvm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.17 | pkcahier | yeah thanks JediatNight |
| 20:22.19 | sgeigerbot | offers asg another Chocolate Hotdog Egg |
| 20:22.19 | pkcahier | err jelly |
| 20:22.22 | pkcahier | ended up doing that |
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| 20:22.30 | zl_benson | I have the 4.0 R5 iso and it doesn't recognize the onboard NIC for a Dell R300 |
| 20:22.34 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!! |
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| 20:22.52 | zl_benson | The chipset is BCM5722KFB |
| 20:23.28 | zl_benson | * s / BCM5722KFB / BCM5722KFB1G |
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| 20:24.53 | stian2 | I dont get this: to define my default irc server, I should just add IRCSERVER 'irc.freenode.et' to my .profile? |
| 20:24.54 | zl_benson | I was wondering what the process was to ask for driver requests |
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| 20:26.54 | jelly | stian2: if you meant export IRCSERVER='irc.freenode.net', then (probably) yes |
| 20:27.12 | themill | zl_benson: can you pastebin the output of: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 20:30.06 | zl_benson | [12:27] themill: zl_benson: can you pastebin the output of: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 20:30.06 | zl_benson | # lspci -nn |grep -i net |
| 20:30.06 | zl_benson | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Coporation Unkinwn device [14e4:165a] |
| 20:30.27 | zl_benson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.29 | themill | zl_benson: that network card is apparently supported from kernel 2.6.25 onwards. You can install 2.6.26 from backports.org. /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 20:33.02 | zl_benson | themill: thanks |
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| 20:36.54 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 20:37.27 | sobersabre | I wonder if there's a way to tell the system to run a program (script) from a media device, after it has been just mounted. |
| 20:37.35 | sobersabre | and I don't mean a CD. |
| 20:37.47 | sobersabre | I want to run a script from an SD card, when it is inserted. |
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| 20:38.20 | sobersabre | and I wish it to be executed ONLY for a specific SD card, identified via the card details (s/n, uuid of the filesystem, etc.) |
| 20:38.56 | sobersabre | I think it can be done by watching the directory the SD will be mounted on. |
| 20:39.04 | jelly | "activate autodestruct sequence" |
| 20:39.47 | sobersabre | jelly: :) it can be done too, but my purpose is to autoinstall bugfixes via SD distribution. |
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| 20:39.57 | sobersabre | but I don't want a user to mess with anything. |
| 20:40.23 | sobersabre | so I can setup the machine to autommount the SD card, but how to call a script from that point, I have no idea. |
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| 20:41.42 | sobersabre | hmm... is there some "post-mount hook" ? |
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| 20:42.59 | stew | sobersabre: what are you using to automount the card? |
| 20:44.02 | sobersabre | I don't know yet. I think hald is there. |
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| 20:45.17 | frca | test |
| 20:45.21 | sobersabre | ok |
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| 20:45.51 | frca | how to temporarily change DNS server to another? |
| 20:46.08 | sobersabre | to backup and edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:46.20 | frca | (any maybe also temporarily disable DHCP) |
| 20:46.21 | sobersabre | and maybe restart nscd (if you happen to run it) |
| 20:46.39 | sobersabre | do you mean to disable dhcp CLIENT or SERVER ? |
| 20:46.53 | frca | aaaaaw that's what I want to avoid... disable DHCP client |
| 20:47.16 | sobersabre | backup and edit /etc/network/interfaces, I think. |
| 20:47.18 | frca | to clarify, i want to disable DHCP client |
| 20:47.31 | sobersabre | or play with the GUI of NetworkManager, if you happen to use it. |
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| 20:49.34 | frca | well i see something like KNetworkManager, but it seems pretty useless |
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| 20:50.04 | sobersabre | NetworkManager usually displays something in the corner, the "tray". |
| 20:50.15 | sobersabre | and you can disable network manager... by killing it. |
| 20:50.17 | themill | frca: no, knetworkmanager is very useful if you are roaming from network to network. If you don't do that, then it might not be useful to *you*. |
| 20:50.32 | sobersabre | the same for the NetworkManager. |
| 20:50.45 | sobersabre | it is useful for auto-discovery. |
| 20:51.00 | sobersabre | of a network, etc. |
| 20:51.08 | frca | well, i ment no offense ;) but it looks like there is no way to manipulate with dhcp/dns |
| 20:51.31 | themill | sobersabre: knetworkmanager is just the kde front-end to networkmanager. |
| 20:51.38 | sobersabre | yep. |
| 20:51.46 | frca | my version is 0.1 |
| 20:52.04 | sobersabre | frca: your version, you mean, you are frca v.0.1 ? |
| 20:52.04 | themill | frca: dhcp *should* do that for you. If it's not working out, /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
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| 20:52.28 | frca | :D knetworkmanager 0.1 |
| 20:52.28 | sobersabre | frca: the easiest would be: WHAT DF is The Problem ? |
| 20:53.11 | themill | frca: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:53.41 | frca | etch i think |
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| 20:54.19 | themill | judd versions network-manager |
| 20:54.19 | judd | themill: network-manager: 0.6.4-6 (etch) 0.6.6-2 (lenny) 0.6.6-2 (sid) 0.7.0~svn4191-1 (experimental) |
| 20:54.34 | themill | frca: that's not 0.1... |
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| 20:55.47 | DVSoftware | hello |
| 20:56.44 | DVSoftware | i'm running sarge on my server and i'm trying to use serbian latin locale (sr_RS.UTF-8@latin), however, something isn't right |
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| 20:57.45 | Maulkin | DVSoftware: Yes, you're running sarge. You really need to update |
| 20:57.58 | DVSoftware | when i try LC_ALL='sr_RS' date i get date in serbian cyrilic, that's fine, but when i try LC_ALL='sr_RS@latin' date i get date in english |
| 20:58.00 | adb | anyways sarge in no more supported |
| 20:58.18 | stew | DVSoftware: "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" for the recommended upgrade procedure |
| 20:58.32 | DVSoftware | it's production server, i can't really just afford to break something |
| 20:58.39 | jelly | DVSoftware: sarge is too old; its locales might or might not be incomplete, but there's not going to be any fixing of that |
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| 20:59.01 | stew | DVSoftware: that's a good reason to upgrade to sarge. your sever is likely vulnerable to multiple security problems |
| 20:59.02 | themill | DVSoftware: you're running a distro without security support. You should consider that it might already be broken in ways that don't really bear thinking. |
| 20:59.23 | jelly | DVSoftware: that said, check whether the sr_RS@latin is actually built |
| 20:59.23 | DVSoftware | hmmm... |
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| 20:59.42 | DVSoftware | well... i guess i'll backup everything and try upgrading |
| 20:59.44 | frca | version of network-manager is 0.6.4-6, and Knetworkmanager 0.1 |
| 20:59.51 | frca | on my machine |
| 21:00.08 | frca | so i'm running etch |
| 21:00.19 | themill | frca: ahh, that makes more sense. |
| 21:00.38 | jelly | DVSoftware: there's a sr_YU locale in sarge though |
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| 21:01.09 | frca | i have another question: is there supoosed to be some vpn support in kn..m.. |
| 21:01.10 | frca | ? |
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| 21:01.36 | DVSoftware | i have these |
| 21:01.37 | DVSoftware | sr_CS sr_ME sr_RS sr_RS@latin |
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| 21:02.13 | jelly | DVSoftware: where? |
| 21:02.25 | DVSoftware | /usr/share/i18n/locales |
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| 21:02.36 | jelly | DVSoftware: are you sure that's sarge? |
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| 21:02.45 | themill | frca: yes, but in etch, only for openvpn and not pptp. Lenny includes pptp support (but only if nm manages your connection) |
| 21:02.46 | DVSoftware | 99% |
| 21:02.46 | jelly | DVSoftware: dpkg -l libc6 locales | tail -2 |
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| 21:03.11 | DVSoftware | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:03.11 | DVSoftware | ii locales 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: National Language (locale) da |
| 21:03.21 | DVSoftware | wtf |
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| 21:03.29 | jelly | DVSoftware: that's etch. the machine could be partially upgraded |
| 21:03.40 | frca | network-manager what's the name of the executable binary? or is it just a lib? |
| 21:03.41 | DVSoftware | i don't remember i upgraded it |
| 21:03.55 | stew | DVSoftware: is your sources.list pointing to 'stable' or to 'sarge' or 'etch'? |
| 21:04.01 | jelly | DVSoftware: (or completely)... you might have had sources for "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:04.10 | themill | frca: nm-applet if you are running gnome, knetworkmanager for kde |
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| 21:04.18 | stew | DVSoftware: likely it was pointing to 'stable' and so when stable changed from sarge to etch, you started partially upgrading |
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| 21:04.35 | DVSoftware | no, it's pointing to etch |
| 21:04.42 | DVSoftware | i could have sworn that i had sarge there |
| 21:05.01 | jelly | has only sr_YU and sr_YU@cyrillic on the last remaining sarge machine |
| 21:05.13 | themill | dpkg: tell DVSoftware about list repositories |
| 21:05.31 | themill | DVSoftware: perhaps of use at this stage to work out if you're completely upgraded. Also /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 21:05.52 | frca | is there any functionality difference between pkgs network-manager-gnome and network-manager-kde? |
| 21:05.59 | jkimball4 | whois julien^ |
| 21:06.14 | un | frca: not much, they both just run NetworkManager in the background... |
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| 21:06.40 | DVSoftware | eh, slow down please |
| 21:06.42 | themill | frca: no, they are both just front-ends to the NM libraries |
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| 21:07.35 | sobersabre | thanks all, bye. |
| 21:08.12 | DVSoftware | i did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and it says all is up to date |
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| 21:10.17 | jelly | DVSoftware: at this point, I'd install aptitude and do either an "aptitude dist-upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade"; there are probably leftover sarge packages that need to be upgraded that way |
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| 21:10.35 | frca | i just want my network client to use different DNS server, so the only way is to deal with the config files? cause there seems to be no way to do this with Knetworkmanager |
| 21:10.46 | jelly | DVSoftware: read the etch release notes, and see if anything applies to your machine; |
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| 21:11.23 | DVSoftware | doing dist-upgrade now, though nothing relevant comes up: clamav clamav-daemon clamav-freshclam openssh-client openssh-server |
| 21:11.26 | jelly | DVSoftware: before doing a dist-upgrade verify youe sources.list |
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| 21:11.46 | DVSoftware | that's all it wants to upgrade |
| 21:12.32 | jelly | DVSoftware: that's good, it means you have a pretty much standard etch installation; those few have had their dependencies adjusted, so you didn't get the latest security updates |
| 21:12.37 | themill | frca: correct. networkmanager wants to do everything for you automagically. If that doesn't work out, then you need to solve problems either in /etc/network/interfaces or in the other places dpkg told you about. |
| 21:13.24 | jelly | DVSoftware: it also means you can do a "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and enable whichever locales you need/want |
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| 21:13.48 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 21:13.59 | DVSoftware | [*] All locales is selected |
| 21:14.11 | jelly | DVSoftware: now that's just wastegful! :-) |
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| 21:14.51 | DVSoftware | eh? |
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| 21:15.03 | DVSoftware | locales-all installed, skipping locales generation |
| 21:15.05 | DVSoftware | :) |
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| 21:15.33 | lindenle | can you tell aptitude to only do security updates? |
| 21:16.11 | cr3rzemjest | where do can i put some 'user-wide' uxterm options so that every time uterm in ran, it's ran with that options? (geometry, color etc..) every time means also in Xorg applications e.g. in ROX-filer there is default terminal option, but i dont want to remember/copy my options every time i need them.... |
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| 21:16.40 | cr3rzemjest | *"where can i" |
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| 21:16.51 | cr3rzemjest | *thoe |
| 21:16.53 | cr3rzemjest | se |
| 21:17.16 | amphi | /etc/X11/app-defaults ? |
| 21:17.20 | simonrvn | !.Xresources |
| 21:17.29 | simonrvn | !/.Xresources |
| 21:17.30 | dpkg | ~/.Xresources is the new file that replaces ~/.Xdefaults for X resources. Use "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" after modifying it. |
| 21:17.41 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:17.43 | DVSoftware | jelly: any clue? |
| 21:17.50 | jelly | DVSoftware: and _now_ you can file a bug about missing locales; take a look at bugs.debian.org first to see if someone else reported it |
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| 21:18.16 | Tramp | lindenle: afaik no. You have to modify sources.list to only contain the security.debian.org repository |
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| 21:18.38 | DVSoftware | strangest thing is that it worked until i messed about other locale issues lol |
| 21:18.40 | Tramp | lindenle: at least, that's how I do it. |
| 21:18.46 | lindenle | Tramp: ok |
| 21:18.57 | cr3rzemjest | amphi, are you asking me? |
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| 21:19.01 | lindenle | Tramp: i will use cfengine and take care of that ;) |
| 21:19.07 | DVSoftware | i just replaced belocs-locales-data/bin with locales-all |
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| 21:19.15 | amphi | cr3rzemjest: yes |
| 21:19.19 | DVSoftware | tried belocs again, nope, same issue |
| 21:20.06 | PathagenX | Why.. WHY does FireFox work better on Windows? |
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| 21:20.33 | Kebab_King | does it? |
| 21:20.40 | jelly | DVSoftware: perhaps you need to install belocs-locales-data, and _then_ do a dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:21.03 | amphi | cr3rzemjest: you want system-wide settings, not per-user, right? |
| 21:21.06 | PathagenX | falls in a sobbing pile of 'I just want to watch youtube vids' |
| 21:21.34 | jelly | DVSoftware: apt-cache show belocs-locales-data suggests installing belocs-locales-bin and configuring it somewhat |
| 21:21.36 | simonrvn | i don't see much of a difference except javascript works a bit faster on win32, in *some* cases. |
| 21:21.40 | amphi | !tell PathagenX -about youtube script |
| 21:21.49 | simonrvn | !info youtube-dl |
| 21:21.59 | simonrvn | dpkg: screw you |
| 21:22.00 | dpkg | no thanks |
| 21:22.07 | cr3rzemjest | amphi, doesnt matter, i want 'alias' but 'every-time alias' not 'command typed in terminal' kind of alias |
| 21:22.31 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2008.03.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 21:22.32 | PathagenX | Thanks amphi but I do want to browse youtube. |
| 21:22.49 | simonrvn | PathagenX: ^^^ |
| 21:22.52 | stew | PathagenX: you can use gnash if you want free software, or flashplugin-nonfree if you want the non-free adobe plugin |
| 21:22.55 | Kebab_King | PathagenX, probably you are using gnash instead of flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:22.58 | PathagenX | tried gnash |
| 21:23.15 | stew | PathagenX: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:23.15 | PathagenX | no gnash is gone. Started the vid then went grey |
| 21:23.19 | Kebab_King | try the adobe flash player instead |
| 21:23.27 | PathagenX | etch dist-upgraded to lenny |
| 21:23.39 | stew | gnash works here |
| 21:23.48 | Kebab_King | works here as well |
| 21:23.52 | PathagenX | The flash plugin was the fun one. It was either not working or crashing firefox. |
| 21:24.01 | Kebab_King | but adobe's implementation may be better |
| 21:24.04 | stew | PathagenX: how did you install it? |
| 21:24.43 | PathagenX | I don't remember.. it started with an apt-get and then there was no sound and then everything started crashing and blah |
| 21:25.03 | stew | PathagenX: is the flashplugin-nonfree package installed? if so, what version? |
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| 21:26.14 | PathagenX | svn 2431-3 |
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| 21:26.46 | stew | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:26.46 | judd | stew: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib) |
| 21:27.36 | PathagenX | in the lenny repo it is called flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
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| 21:27.48 | PathagenX | which sucks cuz I just want alsa |
| 21:27.51 | jelly | DVSoftware: a workaround: install belocs; add sr_CS@Latn ISO-8859-2 \n sr_CS.UTF-8@Latn UTF-8 \n to /etc/locale.gen manually; run locale-gen manually; LANG=sr_CS.UTF-8@Latn date |
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| 21:28.20 | DVSoftware | will try |
| 21:28.33 | stew | PathagenX: what version of flashplugin-nonfree do you have installed? |
| 21:29.02 | PathagenX | svn2431-3 |
| 21:29.12 | stew | PathagenX: no such version. how did you determine that version? |
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| 21:29.23 | PathagenX | that's what it is in the repo |
| 21:29.31 | jelly | DVSoftware: going afk now; pozdrav iz Zagreba ;-) |
| 21:29.32 | stew | PathagenX: try installing the flashplugin-nonfree package |
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| 21:30.14 | stew | PathagenX: and then run "update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so" |
| 21:30.14 | PathagenX | no candidate |
| 21:30.22 | stew | PathagenX: its in contrib |
| 21:30.38 | PathagenX | I have main contrib non-free |
| 21:30.47 | DVSoftware | jelly: pozdrav iz Beograda :) |
| 21:30.49 | PathagenX | hold on. I will purge a bunch of stuff |
| 21:30.51 | stew | PathagenX: oh, its not in lenny anymore, i'd recommend downloading the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:31.03 | PathagenX | ok will do |
| 21:31.15 | DanDare | Hello all. I got my webcam to being recognized by Debian and load the driver and all... But when trying to bring up the image I get: "/dev/video0 [v4l]: No overlay support". I can state so that´s a GPU issue and not more the webcam itself? Like i must install the Nvidia driver to get overlay enable on my TNT2 ? |
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| 21:31.20 | PathagenX | msg me that link please I will grab it once I have cleaned up |
| 21:31.41 | DVSoftware | whoa, tnt2 |
| 21:31.50 | DanDare | Or i can still use it not trought video overlay? |
| 21:31.56 | DVSoftware | that would be legacy nvidia driver |
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| 21:32.24 | DanDare | ok DVSoftware, thanks |
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| 21:33.53 | DanDare | nvidia_legacy cames eith Debian ? |
| 21:34.22 | PathagenX | hmmm stew: sid or etch-backport? |
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| 21:35.23 | stew | PathagenX: sid |
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| 21:37.09 | DanDare | "Both Debian Etch and Debian Lenny only contain 2 drivers series from the 4 available" Why i cant find those drivers on apt ? |
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| 21:37.54 | PathagenX | ok I am back to not having sound again |
| 21:38.21 | PathagenX | brb |
| 21:38.25 | DanDare | i cant find the nvidia-glx-legacy on apt, it´s really distributed with Etch ? |
| 21:38.46 | DanDare | "the current drivers become legacy drivers, so the nvidia-glx package in Etch is not current anymore." ok :p |
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| 21:43.32 | akurei | hey guys, if I would use Debian 5, for how long would there be updates? |
| 21:44.14 | stew | akurei: for one year after the following release comes out |
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| 21:44.35 | akurei | so all-in-all for like 2-3 years? |
| 21:44.36 | simonrvn | is't lenny going to be 4.1 ? |
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| 21:44.42 | stew | simonrvn: no, 5.0 |
| 21:44.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 21:45.05 | stew | akurei: most likely |
| 21:45.09 | simonrvn | thanks for the correction |
| 21:45.19 | crapo_jaune | Hello why can't i open my index.php? Instead of it firefox wants to download it :( |
| 21:45.35 | akurei | cool =) I'd like to have a stable system once *g* |
| 21:45.42 | stew | crapo_jaune: are you using apache2? apache? something else? |
| 21:46.02 | crapo_jaune | apache2 |
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| 21:46.17 | akurei | hope lenny will go final soon. can't wait |
| 21:46.19 | stew | crapo_jaune: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed? if so try running "a2enmod php5" |
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| 21:46.33 | stew | akurei: /msg dpkg siyh |
| 21:46.37 | hikenboot | hello all can anyone tell me which apt source would provide kernel headers for lenny |
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| 21:46.59 | stew | hikenboot: any main mirror |
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| 21:47.07 | crapo_jaune | This module does not exist! |
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| 21:47.23 | stew | crapo_jaune: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:47.25 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 21:47.25 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 21:47.32 | simonrvn | crapo_jaune: ^^ |
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| 21:47.51 | crapo_jaune | It is installed. |
| 21:47.52 | akurei | stew: what am i supposed to do? |
| 21:48.12 | stew | akurei: help fix bugs /msg dpkg rc bugs |
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| 21:49.12 | zarac | any recommendations for viewing current network traffic in text-mode ? |
| 21:49.26 | abrotman | jnettop |
| 21:49.26 | adb | bwm |
| 21:49.29 | abrotman | iftop |
| 21:49.30 | zarac | thx |
| 21:49.36 | zarac | tried iftop.. |
| 21:49.44 | stew | iptraf |
| 21:49.49 | zarac | :) thx |
| 21:49.56 | akurei | stew: thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 21:51.07 | Zalon | anyone familiar with the convert cli utility? |
| 21:51.18 | Zalon | that can convert images from one format to another? |
| 21:51.24 | amphi | Zalon: better to ask your real question |
| 21:51.29 | Zalon | yes |
| 21:51.44 | iridos | and it's called imagemagick |
| 21:51.44 | Zalon | my question is, if that utility is included in any debian package? |
| 21:51.48 | Zalon | it is? |
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| 21:52.00 | Zalon | i thought imagemagick was a gui program? |
| 21:52.00 | iridos | , the psychic has struck again |
| 21:52.04 | stew | Zalon: yes, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:52.23 | Zalon | ok |
| 21:52.47 | stew | Zalon: i mean 'yes its called imagemagick' and yes, imagemagick does contain some gui programs, but mostly cli |
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| 21:53.07 | Zalon | ok |
| 21:53.13 | Zalon | i'll try that then |
| 21:53.15 | Zalon | thanks guys |
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| 21:54.23 | JordiGH | How can I detect if there is data going through a USB port? |
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| 21:54.47 | iridos | Zalon, there is also sam2p similar, but with reduced functionality |
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| 21:56.35 | hikenboot | I do not know what apt sources i am missing but no header files seem to be available for download http://pastebin.ca/1259755 |
| 21:56.41 | zarac | neat, bwm can be run as user : ) |
| 21:57.01 | crapo_jaune | php seams to be installed. |
| 21:57.17 | lindenle | Ho can i set aptitude to not prompt at all with ncurses for use with cfengine? |
| 21:57.24 | crapo_jaune | Every php package i need, but i still can't open index.php :( |
| 21:57.46 | zarac | what happens crapo_jaune? |
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| 21:58.05 | crapo_jaune | Firefox want's to downlaod the file zarac |
| 21:58.34 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: aptitude search linux-headers |
| 21:58.37 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: nothing there? |
| 21:58.42 | hikenboot | no |
| 21:58.58 | zarac | crapo_jaune: apache2? |
| 21:59.04 | crapo_jaune | Yes, zarac. |
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| 21:59.12 | zarac | got the mod enabled? |
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| 21:59.20 | zarac | in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
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| 22:00.17 | twobitsprite | hey, how can I tell what line in sources.list is providing a package? |
| 22:00.17 | crapo_jaune | Hm..there's no php, zarac. |
| 22:00.47 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: is there any reason why you have experimental in your sources? |
| 22:00.50 | zarac | ok crapo_jaune, do you see it in mods-available? |
| 22:01.05 | stew | crapo_jaune: run "a2enmod php5" |
| 22:01.21 | hikenboot | twobitsprite, added it to see if it would make a difference |
| 22:01.27 | crapo_jaune | I got php4.load |
| 22:01.35 | crapo_jaune | and php4.conf |
| 22:01.36 | stew | twobitsprite: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 22:01.39 | zarac | then run a2enmod php4 : ) |
| 22:01.56 | zarac | or install php5 ;) |
| 22:01.59 | stew | crapo_jaune: "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5" to replace php4 with php5, unless you have a good reason to run php4 |
| 22:02.13 | illio | Quick QA..I'm having some trouble downloading a bunch of source on my Debian machine. If I have a website directory : www.somewebsite.com/sourcefiles/donkey .. which just opens up a directory listing filled with different source files.. How would I get wget to download only the files in that directory and not any file on the system? |
| 22:02.19 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: well, take it out before you hurt yourself :P |
| 22:02.32 | crapo_jaune | Now I get an error. |
| 22:02.36 | hikenboot | ok no problem |
| 22:02.52 | hikenboot | its an experimental box anyways to see if i can get open-scsi to compile |
| 22:03.11 | crapo_jaune | http://pastebin.com/d69424a12 |
| 22:03.12 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: http://pastebin.ca/1259761 |
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| 22:03.30 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: it's in testing/main for me... you should see the linux-headers package |
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| 22:03.46 | hikenboot | interesting |
| 22:03.50 | crapo_jaune | php5 is installed |
| 22:04.03 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: have you updated recently? |
| 22:04.10 | crapo_jaune | 0 pakage updated, installed, removed. |
| 22:04.13 | hikenboot | yes did earler today |
| 22:04.16 | crapo_jaune | 2 not updated |
| 22:04.28 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: and "aptitude search linux-headers" literally returns nothing? |
| 22:04.33 | hikenboot | yup |
| 22:04.36 | stew | crapo_jaune: then you must have removed the php5 config files, reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 22:04.47 | zarac | dpkg -l | grep php |
| 22:04.47 | dpkg | ii | grep php 1.5-15.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 22:04.55 | zarac | nice dpkg :) |
| 22:05.18 | stew | hikenboot: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:05.32 | crapo_jaune | ii | grep php ? |
| 22:05.52 | Roconda | nn |
| 22:05.55 | zarac | in case you were wondering what you have installed crapo_jaune |
| 22:06.02 | crapo_jaune | Ah okay. |
| 22:06.05 | zarac | : ) |
| 22:06.17 | crapo_jaune | Thank you zarac. |
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| 22:06.27 | crapo_jaune | php5 is installed. |
| 22:06.30 | zarac | should show something like "ii php5 5.2.6-5 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language" |
| 22:06.45 | zarac | ok, now see if it works :) |
| 22:06.51 | stew | crapo_jaune: libapche2-mod-php5 is the important package, if that is already install you need to reinstall it with confmiss |
| 22:06.53 | crapo_jaune | Yes i got it 5.2.0-8+etch13 |
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| 22:07.25 | stew | crapo_jaune: if libapche2-mod-php5 is installed but /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load doesn't exist, you ened to reinstall it with confmiss |
| 22:07.31 | crapo_jaune | libapache2-mod-php5 is installed. |
| 22:07.40 | crapo_jaune | How do i do it stew? |
| 22:07.48 | stew | err, i mean /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load |
| 22:07.51 | stew | crapo_jaune: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 22:08.31 | zarac | neat bot |
| 22:08.38 | zarac | useful.. |
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| 22:10.58 | hikenboot | correction aptitude search shows linux-headers-2.6.26 versions but I have 2.6.24 installed |
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| 22:12.59 | crapo_jaune | I still get the error :(. |
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| 22:13.11 | crapo_jaune | After /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
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| 22:13.56 | zarac | what error? |
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| 22:14.05 | zarac | oh, the file shows as text in your browser? |
| 22:14.07 | crapo_jaune | zarac http://pastebin.com/d69424a12 |
| 22:14.33 | zarac | did you read the error message? |
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| 22:14.40 | zarac | : ) |
| 22:14.44 | crapo_jaune | No, the file does not shown in my browser. Firefox want's to download But it seems that php is not really running. |
| 22:14.57 | crapo_jaune | Yes, zarac :). It tries to open php4 module! |
| 22:15.02 | zarac | hehe nice one ;) |
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| 22:15.17 | zarac | you can comment out or remove the line from the file to get rid of the error message |
| 22:15.19 | crapo_jaune | Can I just remove this entry in the file? |
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| 22:15.38 | zarac | yeah.. or try a2dismod php4 first |
| 22:15.39 | mysteryc | Hi. |
| 22:15.41 | crapo_jaune | Hm...zarac: Solving a problem by looking away from it? |
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| 22:15.47 | crapo_jaune | hi |
| 22:15.47 | mysteryc | I just upgraded to lenny but something's wrong. |
| 22:15.49 | stew | crapo_jaune: what happens when you run "a2enmod php5" ? |
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| 22:16.11 | crapo_jaune | This module does not exist! |
| 22:16.18 | mysteryc | The mouse is not working properly, and when I go to the mouse settings I set it to fast but it still doesnt work :S |
| 22:16.45 | crapo_jaune | stew zarac and a2enmod php4 --'> This module does not exist! :( |
| 22:17.04 | zarac | a2dismod php4 ... a2enmod php5 |
| 22:17.37 | mysteryc | oh hey stew ;p |
| 22:18.02 | crapo_jaune | a2enmod php5 --> This module does not exist! :( |
| 22:18.41 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: ahh, the truth comes out |
| 22:19.02 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: how long ago did you install, or how old is the CD you installed from? |
| 22:19.17 | zarac | is the file php5.load in mods-available? |
| 22:19.23 | zarac | as well as php5.conf .. |
| 22:19.23 | hikenboot | about 2 weeks ago |
| 22:19.25 | twobitsprite | (I'm assuming you are running testing) |
| 22:19.31 | hikenboot | yes |
| 22:19.42 | crapo_jaune | zarac, no. just php4.conf and php4.load |
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| 22:20.05 | zarac | i don't know.. did you try what stew told you? .. he knows this stuff better than i.. |
| 22:20.16 | zarac | you could try a apt-get purge php4 php5 |
| 22:20.23 | zarac | and then do apt-get install php5 again |
| 22:20.35 | mysteryc | I just upgraded to lenny but something's wrong. In my Applications places and desktop menu, I see no icons next to the words :S |
| 22:20.39 | twobitsprite | hikenboot: anyways, seems like you have a kernel which isn't on the mirrors any more |
| 22:20.46 | stew | crapo_jaune: you need to reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 with confmiss |
| 22:20.57 | crapo_jaune | stew, i did allready. |
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| 22:21.15 | stew | crapo_jaune: (or purge it like zarac is telling you, but php5 is not the right package, libapache2-mod-php5 is) |
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| 22:21.32 | zarac | oh, sorry : ) |
| 22:21.49 | mysteryc | Oh, wait it's fixed but now in xchat I cant have backspace pressed all the time. I gotta hit it once for every letter. How can I fix this? |
| 22:21.50 | crapo_jaune | Thank you stew and zarac. I'll retry it. |
| 22:22.12 | zarac | np : ) |
| 22:22.12 | crapo_jaune | Ah! Deleting configuration files of libapache2-mod-php5. |
| 22:23.09 | hikenboot | hmm curious cant seem to get apt-get upgrade to install a newer kernel how do i force it to update |
| 22:23.16 | crapo_jaune | Cool! Now I see php5.conf and *.load in /mods-available. |
| 22:23.30 | crapo_jaune | Can i manually delete the php4.conf and *.load? |
| 22:23.40 | zarac | sweetness.. do an apache2ctl graceful to restart ;) |
| 22:23.48 | crapo_jaune | apache2ctl |
| 22:23.51 | zarac | good habit, keeps current connections alive |
| 22:23.53 | crapo_jaune | Upps :) Wrong window :) |
| 22:23.56 | stew | hikenboot: it depends on if you are trying to install a newer version of the kernel package you already have installed or a different one |
| 22:23.59 | zarac | "apache2ctl graceful" |
| 22:24.25 | hikenboot | well how about a newer one? |
| 22:24.37 | zarac | crapo_jaune: i'm sure it can't hurt.. but did they not get removed with apt-get purge php4 ? |
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| 22:24.38 | stew | hikenboot: upgrade would be willing to upgrade you from one version of linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 to another version of linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 but not from linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 to linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 22:24.55 | mysteryc | OH |
| 22:24.56 | mysteryc | MY |
| 22:24.57 | mysteryc | GOD |
| 22:24.58 | zarac | crapo_jaune: try dpkg -l | grep php4 to see if there's something left |
| 22:25.01 | mysteryc | SYNAPTIC IS GONE |
| 22:25.16 | stew | mysteryc: please turn off your caps, and use punctuation instead of the enter ke |
| 22:25.19 | stew | key* |
| 22:25.19 | mysteryc | And i can't install using apt-get, it says it fails! Wtf?! |
| 22:25.25 | stew | mysteryc: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:25.30 | mysteryc | stew: yeah im sorry, im just really stressed |
| 22:25.31 | hikenboot | stew how would i make it happen then? |
| 22:25.38 | crapo_jaune | libapache-mod-php4 and php4-common still on. |
| 22:25.54 | zarac | then remove then crapo_jaune, same way you removed the others |
| 22:26.08 | mysteryc | stew: There is no synaptic, what am I supposed to do? :S |
| 22:26.34 | stew | hikenboot: "apt-get install packagename" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" if you have a kernel meta-pacakge installed such as linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:26.39 | stew | mysteryc: use aptitude |
| 22:26.47 | \amethyst | mysteryc: run aptitude install synaptic or just run aptitude from a terminal (it has a nice full-screen interface) |
| 22:27.26 | mysteryc | stew + amethyst: yeah i tried but it started downloading 195mb of packages or something and now im waiting till its done :/ |
| 22:27.51 | crapo_jaune | zarac and stew: you are my hero's! |
| 22:28.01 | crapo_jaune | I got apache with php running :D |
| 22:28.02 | zarac | hehe, awesome : ) |
| 22:28.03 | crapo_jaune | WOW! |
| 22:28.04 | zarac | yay! |
| 22:28.11 | crapo_jaune | Thank's a lot! |
| 22:28.19 | zarac | ; ) |
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| 22:28.42 | crapo_jaune | Really awesome! My week is rescued becaus of you :) |
| 22:28.44 | zarac | time to learn php now? :) |
| 22:28.48 | zarac | hehe |
| 22:28.50 | crapo_jaune | Yes! |
| 22:29.03 | zarac | have fun =D |
| 22:29.06 | crapo_jaune | I have to :) Are there any good tutorils online? |
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| 22:30.03 | zarac | hundreds :) |
| 22:30.36 | mysteryc | Ok, got synaptic. Now how can I fix my mouse? :S |
| 22:31.15 | crapo_jaune | zarac can you give me a good advice please? |
| 22:31.21 | stew | mysteryc: can you be more specific about what it is or is not doing? |
| 22:31.39 | zarac | hmm crapo_jaune let me see |
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| 22:32.17 | zarac | crapo_jaune: http://delicious.com/rymdpung/php |
| 22:32.38 | zarac | you might find some useful things there (as well as some trash) |
| 22:32.44 | zarac | my bookmarks are very unorganized =/ |
| 22:32.53 | zarac | wait.. most are locked :) |
| 22:32.54 | mysteryc | stew: Uh, it fixed itself! This thing is getting weird :S |
| 22:33.23 | crapo_jaune | Locked? Why that? :) |
| 22:33.47 | zarac | i recently got delicious.. and made all locked by default =/ |
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| 22:35.08 | CrunchyCrickets | hey all |
| 22:35.16 | CrunchyCrickets | can anyone here help me out with this iptables script? |
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| 22:36.20 | mysteryc | How can I make a shortcut? |
| 22:36.42 | stew | mysteryc: what kind of shortcut? |
| 22:36.45 | zarac | # whatis ln |
| 22:36.56 | zarac | ln -s foo bar |
| 22:37.32 | mysteryc | stew: well, there is this program i downloaded called songbird and the executable file is in a directory somewhere and i wanna make a shortcut that start up that file ;) =] |
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| 22:39.32 | stew | mysteryc: you can do that with a shell alias, or with a symlink to /usr/local/bin. "help alias" for what to put in your .bashrc for a shell alias or "ln -s /path/to/whatever /usr/local/bin/whatever" to put the symlink into /usr/local/bin (which is already in your $PATH) |
| 22:40.13 | JordiGH | puts the local directory at the end of that PATH. Oh noes! |
| 22:40.34 | stew | its at the beginning on a default debian install |
| 22:41.16 | JordiGH | What? |
| 22:41.23 | JordiGH | stew: Huh? Since when? |
| 22:41.35 | JordiGH | steve: Er, sorry, I meant current directory. |
| 22:41.48 | stew | JordiGH: since forever |
| 22:41.58 | stew | JordiGH: wait, what do you mean by current directory? |
| 22:42.01 | JordiGH | . |
| 22:42.07 | stew | JordiGH: oh, don't put that into your path |
| 22:42.16 | stew | JordiGH: huge security problem |
| 22:42.20 | JordiGH | stew: I do it. I live on the edge. I'm a rebel, baby. |
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| 22:44.20 | jberg | hey, how can i get my local ip address? im not root so can't run ifconfig |
| 22:44.34 | stew | jberg: "/sbin/ifconfig" should work |
| 22:44.40 | stew | jberg: or 'ip a' |
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| 22:44.55 | JordiGH | stew: If someone manages to put mailicious code in the local directory and I manage to typo and run that malicious code, I figure I have bigger problems than my PATH. |
| 22:45.28 | stew | you have problems that you just made bigger unnecessarily |
| 22:45.51 | jberg | ah, thanks |
| 22:46.35 | pickcoder | JordiGH: you don't work late do you? |
| 22:48.04 | JordiGH | stew: Convenience vs security. I like my convenience in this case. It's a minute risk. I almost always do ls before typing commands anyways. I take the risk. |
| 22:48.17 | dondelelcaro | why bother having . in the path? |
| 22:48.40 | twobitsprite | who has . in the path? |
| 22:48.41 | dondelelcaro | scripts that you use all the time go in ~/bin, which is in the path; things that you don't, you run with ./foo |
| 22:48.47 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: save ./ if you type it frequently. |
| 22:48.48 | stew | ls<enter>;somecommand isn't more convenient than "./somecommand" |
| 22:48.58 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I also have a bunch of aliases. |
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| 22:49.01 | themill | JordiGH: you obviously don't work with data sets stored in shared directories |
| 22:49.21 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: if it's a command that I use frequently, it's in ~/bin |
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| 22:49.33 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: You put all the configure scripts in ~/bin? |
| 22:49.37 | pickcoder | is glad he doesn't have every possibly path in PATH by default |
| 22:50.00 | JordiGH | steve: ls |
| 22:50.02 | JordiGH | ls |
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| 22:50.07 | JordiGH | It's quite instinctive. |
| 22:50.10 | twobitsprite | I worked at a place with very sensitive information on their AIX systems, and they had . in roots path........ :( |
| 22:50.21 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: if you want to be able to run a configure script, put a ~/bin/configure which checks to see if there is an executable configure in the current directory, and run it |
| 22:50.34 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: but it's not like ./configure is hard |
| 22:50.37 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: That may be a bit extreme, I'll grant you that... for me... well, the worst that could happen is I lose my music collection. ;-) |
| 22:50.52 | twobitsprite | just had a major deja vu |
| 22:50.56 | dondelelcaro | it's just a bad habit; learning bad habits are hard to break |
| 22:51.01 | twobitsprite | have we had this conversation before? Seriously... |
| 22:51.12 | dondelelcaro | wouldn't be the first time |
| 22:51.15 | infinity1 | how can i build a package as i386 on an amd64 computer? |
| 22:51.27 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: build it in an i386 chroot |
| 22:51.34 | themill | DCCs JordiGH a new version of ls |
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| 22:51.45 | stew | infinity1: build it in a chroot. pbuilder and cowbuilder are tools made for managing chroots and building packages in them |
| 22:51.46 | JordiGH | themill: It won't work; the PATH is searched in order. |
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| 22:51.58 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: anyways, yes... it was horrible... I told them to fix it, but they were like "but all of our scripts expect . in path..." and I facepalmed |
| 22:52.11 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Wow. That is pretty bad. |
| 22:52.16 | twobitsprite | yep |
| 22:52.21 | themill | JordiGH: then I'll send you ks instead so that I get you next time you mistype ls. |
| 22:52.28 | Roenie | hey guys, i installed debian while 1 sata drive was attached, to make sure that GRUB was installed in the MBR of that. i temporarily removed the other 2 sata drives (a raid array only in use in windows). Now when i reattach them, linux stops bootinig at "waiting for root filesystem"... |
| 22:52.29 | dondelelcaro | themill: sl! |
| 22:52.32 | infinity1 | stew: okay. not as simple as i hoped, but i'll see if its worth the effort :) |
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| 22:52.54 | themill | dondelelcaro: heh... I have a "bad habits" section of my .bash_profile with ks, gerp, kess... |
| 22:52.55 | JordiGH | themill: I'll probably notice it long before... I like to keep my ~ very tidy. |
| 22:53.11 | twobitsprite | AAANND.... they had about 200+ internal users with login access to these systems... talk about a security hole... typing "ls" in a users home directory could spell certain doom |
| 22:53.29 | JordiGH | I don't think I ever typo sl, though. |
| 22:53.34 | Roenie | i think this must mean that the other sata drives are now sda and sdb, so the root drive must be sdc, while it was sda before? |
| 22:53.36 | dondelelcaro | themill: no steam locomotive? |
| 22:53.37 | JordiGH | greps his .bash_history |
| 22:53.45 | pickcoder | Roenie: is the Debian drive still drive0? |
| 22:53.46 | Roenie | how do i check that? |
| 22:53.51 | JordiGH | Nope, no sl in there. |
| 22:53.53 | themill | dondelelcaro: no, I never seem to do that one |
| 22:53.53 | pickcoder | Roenie: port # |
| 22:53.59 | pickcoder | look in BIOS |
| 22:54.05 | stew | infinity1: pbuilder --create --debootstrapopts --arch=i386, then when you are in a source directory, you can run "pdebuild" to build in the chroot |
| 22:54.06 | pickcoder | or the board diagram |
| 22:54.08 | dondelelcaro | themill: sl is an amusing little package, though. |
| 22:54.10 | themill | dondelelcaro: (but I do like that package ;) |
| 22:54.35 | Roenie | it's drive 3 |
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| 22:54.46 | pickcoder | Roenie: hopefully your RAID controller will let you move drives from port to port |
| 22:55.09 | Roenie | so i edited menu.lst, from hd0,2 to hd3,2 and the root path /dev/sda3 to /dev/sdc3 |
| 22:55.13 | Roenie | doesn't work |
| 22:55.14 | pickcoder | if not.. you'll have to remap the drives in GRUB |
| 22:55.37 | JordiGH | So we recently had someone in our servers get cracked in because they were using a weak password. Should we be running JohnTheRipper on our /etc/shadow- now? |
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| 22:56.03 | Roenie | yeah i opted for editing grub, any ideas what i did wrong? i can pastebin the menu.lst hang on |
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| 22:56.44 | stew | haha, sl is funny |
| 22:56.51 | Roenie | http://paste.lisp.org/display/70607 |
| 22:57.05 | Roenie | the new entry is at #test# |
| 22:57.19 | Roenie | the previous entry i was using is directly below it |
| 22:57.33 | delire | i've just installed lenny on a very recent laptop, with no gnome - just a very minimal window manager - and iceweasel simply won't start. |
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| 22:58.44 | delire | it gives no errors. gdb seems to think there are no debugging symbols in the binary also. |
| 22:58.47 | delire | any ideas? |
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| 23:00.21 | JordiGH | Yeah, Debian has been stripping binaries for a while. |
| 23:00.35 | Roenie | any clue, pickcoder ? |
| 23:00.42 | JordiGH | delire: So no segfault, nothing? |
| 23:00.47 | delire | JordiGH: right. guess the -g option should be removed from the manpage |
| 23:00.49 | stew | delire: is there another copy of firefox or iceweasel running |
| 23:00.52 | delire | JordiGH: nope. nothing |
| 23:01.10 | delire | stew: nope. ps ax | grep ice gives nothing. |
| 23:01.17 | delire | |grep fire also nothing |
| 23:01.31 | stew | delire: try moving your ~/.mozilla out of the way temporarily |
| 23:01.43 | stew | delire: or see if it works with a new user |
| 23:01.46 | JordiGH | stew: It's a clean install... |
| 23:02.04 | pickcoder | Roenie: nope. did you verify that hd3,2 is the actual drive? |
| 23:02.12 | delire | stew: weird.. why did that work? |
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| 23:02.17 | delire | stew: i mean, thanks ;) |
| 23:02.21 | stew | JordiGH: no it isn't :) |
| 23:02.23 | delire | JordiGH: it is a new install. |
| 23:02.47 | JordiGH | delire: You probably had buggy plugins or settings in your .mozilla |
| 23:02.54 | delire | JordiGH: right. good o |
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| 23:03.23 | JordiGH | delire: which is really weird, because you said it was a clean install! |
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| 23:03.29 | BCM43 | how do I get iceweasel 3 on lenny? |
| 23:03.35 | delire | JordiGH: i just finished about 10 minutes ago |
| 23:03.38 | stew | BCM43: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 23:03.51 | BCM43 | stew: I have iceweasel 2 |
| 23:03.58 | stew | BCM43: ok |
| 23:04.00 | JordiGH | BCM43: aptitude update first. |
| 23:04.08 | Roenie | pickcoder, the problem is that as soon as i hook up the other 2 drives i can't boot to see what happened |
| 23:04.10 | BCM43 | I did |
| 23:04.21 | stew | BCM43: then "aptitude install iceweasel" to upgrade to iceweasel 3 |
| 23:04.24 | JordiGH | BCM43: Your mirror is out of date; use a different mirror. |
| 23:04.32 | BCM43 | what mirror should I use? |
| 23:04.41 | stew | BCM43: which are you using now? |
| 23:04.49 | JordiGH | BCM43: Wait, are we sure that your mirror is indeed out of date? |
| 23:04.55 | pickcoder | Roenie: you can boot a live CD |
| 23:04.58 | stew | BCM43: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:05.00 | BCM43 | no |
| 23:05.02 | JordiGH | BCM43: You did "aptitude update && aptitude install iceweasel"? |
| 23:05.17 | BCM43 | oh, nevermind |
| 23:05.17 | pickcoder | try tacking root=/dev/sdc1 to the kernel line |
| 23:05.18 | BCM43 | lol |
| 23:05.21 | BCM43 | it is 3 |
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| 23:05.35 | BCM43 | it Is not like firefox 3 so I was confused. sorry, and thanks |
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| 23:05.41 | JordiGH | delire: That's really weird, btw. Looks like a serious lenny bug. |
| 23:05.41 | pickcoder | Roenie: keep in mind that this affects your fstab |
| 23:05.50 | JordiGH | BCM43: How is it not like Firefox 3? |
| 23:05.56 | Roenie | argh yea |
| 23:05.58 | pickcoder | and anything in linux expecting /dev/sda to be /dev/sdc |
| 23:05.58 | JordiGH | BCM43: Besides the branding, I mean... |
| 23:06.09 | pickcoder | you really should remap the drives in grub |
| 23:06.12 | pickcoder | or swap the ports |
| 23:06.13 | BCM43 | JordiGH: I am used to the windows firefox theme and the debian one is more like 2 |
| 23:06.28 | Roenie | how do i remap them? |
| 23:06.37 | BCM43 | that clears a lot of things up, thank you. |
| 23:06.39 | JordiGH | BCM43: Firefox 3 uses native widgets. It'll look different if you load it in KDE too. |
| 23:07.00 | larrikin | I'm having an issue getting tzdata=2008i-3 installed .. I have libc6=2.7-16 .. I get post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 23:07.14 | JordiGH | larrikin: Can you show us more details of the error? |
| 23:07.16 | pickcoder | you need to map drive 3 with drive 1 and vice versa |
| 23:07.23 | JordiGH | larrikin: Pastebin it. |
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| 23:07.27 | pickcoder | this will, however, reverse your RAID sequence |
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| 23:07.37 | Roenie | i'll have a go at it, ty pickcoder |
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| 23:07.48 | pickcoder | map hd(3,0) hd(3,2) |
| 23:07.54 | pickcoder | map hd(3,2) hd(3,0) |
| 23:08.22 | pickcoder | then fix your grub assignments |
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| 23:08.39 | Roenie | ic |
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| 23:09.27 | larrikin | JordiGH http://pastebin.com/me209754 |
| 23:10.03 | JordiGH | What the hell...? |
| 23:10.11 | JordiGH | That's it? |
| 23:10.26 | JordiGH | fork/exec? |
| 23:10.39 | larrikin | how do I show errors in postinstallation script.. I tried DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer |
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| 23:10.59 | JordiGH | It's supposed to show you errors by default. I guess that is an error. It can't fork? |
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| 23:11.20 | JordiGH | Wait, what's -D 2 doing? |
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| 23:11.37 | larrikin | it gives the D000002 line |
| 23:12.04 | JordiGH | If you just don't do that, it doesn't give you any error at all except what is already there? |
| 23:12.23 | JordiGH | Looks like it should be -D2, no? At least that's what the manpage suggests. |
| 23:13.09 | larrikin | its happy with the space .. removing the option just gets rid of that one line |
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| 23:13.39 | JordiGH | Okay, so it looks like the postinst script is trying to fork and it can't. |
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| 23:13.55 | themill | larrikin: can you put a "set -x" in the postinst script to give more output (/var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst) |
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| 23:14.25 | Mark17 | hello, what is the easiest way to get a list of files which contain a certain word or number? |
| 23:14.39 | JordiGH | Mark17: grep |
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| 23:15.06 | Mark17 | it is in the content of the files, not in the filenames |
| 23:15.18 | JordiGH | Mark17: grep |
| 23:15.18 | delire | Mark17: doesn't matter |
| 23:15.20 | jelly-home | man grep, too |
| 23:15.39 | Mark17 | JordiGH: and when i use grep how do i get that list? because i only know how to grep on the content |
| 23:15.49 | jelly-home | with special emphasis on the -l option |
| 23:15.52 | larrikin | http://pastebin.com/m76742b99 |
| 23:15.52 | Mark17 | without getting a list with filenames |
| 23:16.06 | themill | Mark17: how are you generating the list of files that you want to look inside? |
| 23:16.09 | JordiGH | Mark17: grep thestring thefileglobs |
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| 23:16.27 | jelly-home | Mark17: read about -l option to grep |
| 23:16.35 | delire | bbl |
| 23:16.41 | JordiGH | jelly-home: You don't need -l if you use globs... |
| 23:16.52 | jelly-home | JordiGH: he only wants filenames |
| 23:17.03 | JordiGH | *shrug* I guess |
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| 23:17.35 | jelly-home | grep -l foo * is shorter than grep foo * | awk (or cut) |
| 23:17.36 | JordiGH | "GNU's not Unix, but Unix is a beast; its plural form is Unixen." |
| 23:17.47 | JordiGH | Huh? Does grep not have an info page? |
| 23:18.03 | JordiGH | Or is this one of those GFDL things...? |
| 23:18.16 | larrikin | JordiGH themill ..btw /usr/sbin/tzconfig just contains echo '..deprecated' I'll add contents of tzdata-postinst to pastebin |
| 23:18.18 | jelly-home | this is debian. everything has a man page, even if a short incomplete one |
| 23:18.40 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Man page is fine; but no info page? I'm surprised. It's GNU grep! |
| 23:19.02 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 23:19.23 | JordiGH | No, there is an info page: http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(grep.info.gz)Top |
| 23:19.47 | JordiGH | Now why isn't this in my Debian? |
| 23:20.02 | jelly-home | hopes Debian will eventually learn that what the authors say is documentation, is documentation and not software |
| 23:20.37 | themill | jelly-home: invariant sections are still as problematic as the BSD advertising clauses. |
| 23:20.57 | larrikin | JordiGH themill http://pastebin.com/m2f943cf5 |
| 23:21.10 | JordiGH | Argh... there's a ~dfsg in Debian's version number for grep. :-( |
| 23:21.13 | jelly-home | themill: having a "GNU/Linux" system without glibc docs is ridiculous |
| 23:21.19 | stew | JordiGH: its non-free becuase it has an invariant section http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(grep)Copying |
| 23:21.32 | JordiGH | stew: That's fine, why isn't it in non-free? |
| 23:22.00 | stew | JordiGH: probably because nobody has volunteered to package it |
| 23:22.04 | themill | jelly-home: of course. Having documentation that you're not allowed to modify is also ridiculous. |
| 23:22.20 | jelly-home | better to have some than none |
| 23:22.21 | stew | and debian is a software distribution |
| 23:22.24 | gewt | I;m havign issues with slow DNS reoslution and all-aroudn network slowness... |
| 23:22.32 | gewt | shoudl i mess with tcp settings or something? |
| 23:22.36 | themill | jelly-home: it has a man page. that's some > none. |
| 23:22.39 | JordiGH | Grr... |
| 23:22.44 | JordiGH | Why does Debian cripple its own packages? |
| 23:22.52 | JordiGH | (I know, I know, still this is annoying.) |
| 23:22.54 | stew | JordiGH: which package is crippled? |
| 23:22.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: because! |
| 23:22.57 | JordiGH | stew: grep |
| 23:23.01 | themill | JordiGH: package it yourself. |
| 23:23.04 | stew | JordiGH: debian didn't do that, the fsf did |
| 23:23.11 | JordiGH | stew: That's a matter of opinion. |
| 23:23.24 | stew | JordiGH: or do you want debian to throw out SC #1 ? |
| 23:24.09 | themill | JordiGH: feel free to propose that Debian changes the Social Contract. |
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| 23:24.09 | JordiGH | stew: I want debian to reinterpret what "software" means. |
| 23:24.09 | jelly-home | stew: what about the "users" bit in "free software and out users"? |
| 23:24.09 | jelly-home | our* |
| 23:24.24 | gewt | Should i mess with TCP stetings or sometihng to perhaps resolve the sisue of network slowness? |
| 23:24.43 | JordiGH | stew: Putting GFDL in non-free creates more problems than it solves. This is not taking me as a priority. |
| 23:24.45 | stew | JordiGH: you want debian to redifine software, becuase it is more convenient that making a 100% free software distribution? |
| 23:24.55 | pickcoder | gewt: how did you determine it was slow? |
| 23:24.55 | jelly-home | stew: yes |
| 23:25.04 | stew | perhaps you guys are using the wrong distro |
| 23:25.09 | themill | jelly-home: /join #ubuntu... |
| 23:25.24 | JordiGH | stew: I have yet to see anyone run into actual practical problems with the GFDL. I don't think anyone has yet found reason to take the GFDL to court. |
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| 23:25.26 | stew | jelly-home: i don't see why #1 and #4 are in conflict |
| 23:25.31 | jelly-home | stew: perhaps getting rid of GFDL docs is ridiculous |
| 23:25.54 | jelly-home | themill: not interested in #u, but thanks! |
| 23:26.02 | gewt | pickcoder, other systems on the network have faster speeds and DNS reoslutions with the same DNS servers |
| 23:26.03 | stew | JordiGH: that's fine, but if you want to restrict how others can modify your software, its got no place in debian |
| 23:26.04 | JordiGH | stew: Taking completely literalist interpretations of license agreements is just not how the law works. |
| 23:26.05 | gewt | but difefrent OSes |
| 23:26.14 | jelly-home | stew: ITS NOT SOFTWARE |
| 23:26.14 | gewt | i don't have ossues with other distros no this box |
| 23:26.16 | themill | jelly-home: that's a nice distro that compromises freedom for expediency. |
| 23:26.24 | gewt | so i assume it's networking configuratino issues |
| 23:26.26 | stew | jelly-home: sure it is. its not hardware |
| 23:26.59 | jelly-home | themill: I've made my point clear. Define docs != software; trust when the authors say something is docs |
| 23:27.02 | larrikin | if I . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule I get Can't exec "-su": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. |
| 23:27.04 | stew | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/software "the entire set of programs, procedures, and related documentation associated with a system and especially a computer system" |
| 23:27.24 | stew | jelly-home: yeah, but as you said, debian would suck with no documentation |
| 23:27.51 | JordiGH | wonders what will happen with the AGPL... |
| 23:27.53 | stew | its absurd that I am expected to have to distribute the gnu manifesto if i want to make an emacs reference card |
| 23:28.03 | jelly-home | stew: so it can be a software + docs distro |
| 23:28.04 | themill | jelly-home: not being able to modify the docs means that you can't distribute updated docs when you fork the projects. Docs are part of the entire story. |
| 23:28.09 | stew | jelly-home: go for it |
| 23:28.12 | JordiGH | It's already in main. Has there been a discussion about moving it to non-free? |
| 23:28.17 | stew | JordiGH: what? |
| 23:28.17 | JordiGH | The AGPL, I mean. |
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| 23:28.35 | stew | JordiGH: yes, on debian-legal, see miry's recent blog post |
| 23:28.47 | JordiGH | stew: So you guys are gonna cripple Debian more? |
| 23:28.48 | JordiGH | Great! |
| 23:28.54 | stew | JordiGH: what? |
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| 23:29.02 | themill | JordiGH: please stop trolling. |
| 23:29.04 | JordiGH | Why don't we just all move to gnewsense? |
| 23:29.10 | stew | JordiGH: go for it |
| 23:29.50 | stew | JordiGH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/08/msg00045.html |
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| 23:30.04 | JordiGH | hopes it doesn't get to the GR. |
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| 23:33.41 | camille__ | hello I would like to mount /home directory on remote server only at the user login ... what is the best way ? |
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| 23:34.05 | themill | larrikin: I worry about the general health of your system at this stage... Does umask fail when run from a shell? |
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| 23:34.48 | camille__ | cd #ubuntu |
| 23:34.52 | camille__ | hello I would like to mount /home directory on remote server only at the user login ... what is the best way ? |
| 23:34.55 | larrikin | themill works fine |
| 23:35.11 | camille__ | oups |
| 23:35.12 | stew | camille__: are you meaning to ask this in #debian or #ubuntu? |
| 23:35.12 | JordiGH | Hm, this is annoying. /usr/share/doc/grep doesn't even say how grep has been crippled in Debian. |
| 23:35.16 | larrikin | just tried a --reinstall of perl-base |
| 23:35.20 | larrikin | no change |
| 23:35.21 | themill | larrikin: hmm... because it's not shown in that set -x trace. |
| 23:35.43 | jelly-home | JordiGH: file a rc bug and a patch! |
| 23:35.48 | stew | its not an rc bug |
| 23:35.49 | themill | JordiGH: you should know the drill by now. Stop complaining, submit patches. |
| 23:36.03 | JordiGH | themill: I'm allowed to be annoyed, but ok, I'll try to fix it. |
| 23:36.22 | stew | JordiGH: that is something policy suggests documenting in the source package, not the binary package |
| 23:36.24 | jelly-home | stew: YHBT! |
| 23:36.52 | stew | jelly-home: stop |
| 23:37.39 | jelly-home | okay, I've had enough |
| 23:37.40 | JordiGH | stew: Shouldn't README.Debian mention if the package has been substantially modified? |
| 23:38.05 | Tramp | larrikin: the script seems to fail at unsetting TZ. This should only happen, if TZ is declared readonly and then the unset would print an error message ... however, what does "declare -p TZ" show? |
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| 23:38.22 | stew | JordiGH: yes. is there a substantial change? or the just the removal of the info page? |
| 23:38.52 | JordiGH | stew: There has been crippling of documentation. Info pages often have a lot more examples and clearer explanations than manpages. |
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| 23:39.05 | JordiGH | stew: Ripping out the info page looks worthy of mention to me. |
| 23:39.09 | stew | JordiGH: this package doesn't document the change as is suggested by policy 3.8.0, but the package doesn't yet claim to be up to 3.8.0, so a wishlist bug and a patch would be appropriate |
| 23:39.13 | stew | JordiGH: its not |
| 23:39.19 | larrikin | Tramp declare: TZ: not found |
| 23:39.26 | stew | JordiGH: but feel free to submit a wishlist bug and a patch |
| 23:39.33 | JordiGH | stew: rip out the Emacs documentation but don't mention it. I'm sure nobody will notice that! |
| 23:39.36 | sylar | is there a global ephy-bookmarks.xml file? |
| 23:39.40 | larrikin | seems that set -e might be going off for a minor minor reason ? |
| 23:40.01 | stew | JordiGH: emacs22-common-non-dfsg is mentioned |
| 23:40.25 | JordiGH | stew: Yeah, so we need grep-literalist-reading-of-licenses-dfsg |
| 23:40.39 | Tramp | larrikin: well, this should not cause the problem. no idea then. |
| 23:41.05 | stew | JordiGH: no, why? |
| 23:41.14 | JordiGH | The Changelog doesn't even mention that they ripped out the info page! |
| 23:41.21 | stew | JordiGH: the documentation package is suggested by the emacs22 pacakge |
| 23:41.27 | callahad | Is there an easy way to check what dependencies of a deb aren't installed on my system? dpkg --dry-run -i doesn't do it. |
| 23:41.48 | jasonm | Hi all, is this the correct channel to ask for debian install help in?... i have a small problem that i would like some advice on |
| 23:41.49 | JordiGH | callahad: "aptitude install". |
| 23:42.00 | callahad | JordiGH: Does that work for bare .deb's? |
| 23:42.09 | themill | JordiGH: how would that help callahad? |
| 23:42.22 | JordiGH | callahad: Sure, first install the deb with dpkg, then aptitude install will fetch whatever is missing. |
| 23:42.28 | themill | dpkg: tell jasonm about ask |
| 23:42.51 | stew | JordiGH: yes, the split is mentioned in the changelog |
| 23:42.53 | chris4585 | don't ask to ask |
| 23:43.02 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, I didn't see that. Where? |
| 23:43.12 | stew | JordiGH: 21.4a+1-1 |
| 23:43.15 | jasonm | cheers :) |
| 23:43.26 | JordiGH | stew: Er, I was talking about grep. |
| 23:43.32 | jasonm | I have installed " Debian v4.0r5 i386 .. standard installation with web server " to my Acer Aspire 5520 notebook pc. The installation runs smoothly .. partitions hd drives and installs the user accounts etc. After rebooting the machine the cdrom drive is not detected. fstab has the entry /dev/hda for the cdrom .. there is no corresponding device in /dev. The sata hd drive is detected and mounted as a scsi device sda1,2,3 etc. dmesg do |
| 23:43.36 | stew | 18:39 < JordiGH> stew: rip out the Emacs documentation but don't mention it. I'm sure nobody will notice that! |
| 23:43.37 | callahad | JordiGH: Hm. That feels dirty, but it *does* work. Thanks. |
| 23:43.39 | larrikin | locales was not up to dat, giving that a go |
| 23:43.46 | JordiGH | stew: After that I mentioend grep. |
| 23:43.53 | jasonm | first time debian user .... |
| 23:44.47 | pickcoder | jasonm: your question was cut off at "dmesg do" |
| 23:44.52 | Kohlrabi | I think it's normal that SATA drives are sdxy |
| 23:44.56 | jasonm | crap |
| 23:44.56 | stew | JordiGH: 2.5.1.ds2-1 |
| 23:45.15 | jasonm | esn't display any information at all about cd/dvd rom devices at all. |
| 23:45.31 | pickcoder | is it IDE? |
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| 23:45.37 | jasonm | sata |
| 23:45.40 | JordiGH | stew: Ah, ok, thanks. |
| 23:45.46 | pickcoder | well it wouldn't be /dev/hda |
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| 23:46.02 | jasonm | wierd that it uses the drive to install itself then cant detect it |
| 23:46.05 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 23:46.30 | jasonm | - /dev/hd*anything doesnt exist |
| 23:46.33 | JordiGH | wonders if 281647 belongs to Manoj... |
| 23:47.08 | jasonm | i thought it would be sdb ... but i only have devices sda |
| 23:47.09 | karmatronic | jasonm: /dev/sd* |
| 23:47.19 | jasonm | no sd device either :( |
| 23:47.33 | aguitel | i try to install debian with netinstall but my wireless is not working ,how i solve this ? |
| 23:47.58 | JordiGH | Oh, c'mon! The invariant section of the grep info page is the license texts! |
| 23:48.01 | jasonm | in lspci i see 2 nvidia ide entries that are unknown .. if that meens snything |
| 23:48.06 | karmatronic | aguitel: what chipset does your wifi card use ? (lspci | grep Wir is your friend) |
| 23:48.24 | pickcoder | jasonm: which kernel are you booting |
| 23:48.26 | pickcoder | uname -r |
| 23:48.31 | aguitel | karmatronic, Realtek rtl8180L |
| 23:49.02 | jasonm | i had to boot back into vista ... stabs it |
| 23:49.48 | karmatronic | aguitel: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:50.34 | jasonm | looks on disk |
| 23:50.50 | aguitel | karmatronic, i am using ubuntu intrepid right now with this chipset |
| 23:50.51 | streuner | gravity: huhu :-) |
| 23:50.56 | gravity | Hi streuner |
| 23:51.15 | aguitel | karmatronic, but i like ti try for the first time debian |
| 23:51.18 | karmatronic | aguitel: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing |
| 23:51.37 | karmatronic | aguitel: debian,ubuntu almost the same... |
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| 23:51.45 | stew | gravity: does 'X -configure' use the same hw detection as one would get with a minimal xorg.conf? |
| 23:51.49 | karmatronic | aguitel: better packaging and howtos with debian... |
| 23:52.24 | gravity | stew: Nope |
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| 23:52.35 | stew | gravity: ok, good to know |
| 23:52.38 | gravity | stew: Totally different code. Totally different file. Yay X. |
| 23:53.25 | stew | gravity: is there a way to do something similar to X -configure but with the other hw detection? |
| 23:54.28 | larrikin | JordiGH themill ..solved, sorry - you'll hate me ... really old version of bash ;) |
| 23:54.31 | gravity | stew: What do you mean? What do you want from -configure that the minimal/no conf doesn't give you? |
| 23:54.56 | themill | larrikin: really? eep. dist-upgrade time! |
| 23:55.01 | themill | gravity: :( Could you please "/msg dpkg drxx" and make some sense of it for us in such a way that it's useful to both etch and lenny users and also to people for whom auto everything in lenny isn't working out? |
| 23:55.24 | gravity | huh? |
| 23:55.29 | streuner | !drxx |
| 23:55.30 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 23:55.32 | stew | gravity: i mean is there a way to use the other detection, but generate a static config, which could subsequently be tweaked |
| 23:55.49 | JordiGH | larrikin: Glad it worked out. |
| 23:56.06 | gravity | stew: Not that I know of. The idea is that if you really want a conf at all, just write the small amount you need by hand. It's small and simple. |
| 23:56.08 | larrikin | themill: JordiGH was Version: 2.05a-9 .. |
| 23:56.22 | stew | pokes jelly-home |
| 23:56.26 | JordiGH | larrikin: Wow. |
| 23:56.40 | jelly-home | tee-hee |
| 23:56.41 | themill | gravity: users fail at "just write the small bit by hand" |
| 23:56.49 | stew | what he said |
| 23:56.55 | gravity | themill: Users shouldn't need to do much of anything |
| 23:56.56 | themill | larrikin: eek. You might like to upgrade to etch first... |
| 23:57.05 | gravity | Seriously, the server is pretty good these days |
| 23:57.07 | themill | gravity: then why is this an FAQ at present... |
| 23:57.19 | gravity | themill: What do users typically want to do? |
| 23:57.39 | gravity | Usually, ime, it's "I want to configure nvidia-glx/fglrx" at which point, they can follow a recipe |
| 23:57.43 | jelly-home | gravity: arranging multiple heads requires configuration, though |
| 23:57.55 | gravity | jelly-home: xrandr |
| 23:57.57 | themill | gravity: "X gets the resolution wrong" "I want xinerama/dual/funky heads" |
| 23:58.07 | gravity | jelly-home: Also, they can help get the new gnome gui in to debian |
| 23:58.12 | gravity | I would have worked on that, but I have less than 0 time |
| 23:58.27 | jelly-home | gravity: after the stupid driver already set VGA and not LVDS as the primary output? |
| 23:58.32 | themill | gravity: also sometimes for kb setting, although you guys seem to have solved that now. |
| 23:58.33 | streuner | hm, so study isnt finsih yet |
| 23:58.36 | stew | "X gets the resolution wrong" is the one where we have found ourselves recommending "run X -configure and tweak the result" |
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| 23:59.28 | derchris | can anybody tell me the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 ? |
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| 23:59.43 | stew | which is possibly a cop-out becuase its easier than trying to talk a user though adding a monitor section in order to add a proper sync/refresh |
| 23:59.49 | gravity | hopes that some frustrated user will step it up and help the XSF get it right |