| 00:00.22 | jelly-home | gimzo: I'd use sources packages from experimental as a starting point |
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| 00:00.41 | gimzo | ok, thanks |
| 00:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... that's what I told him :) |
| 00:00.51 | gimzo | I'll take a look at it |
| 00:01.08 | jelly-home | !win CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:01.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, CutMeOwnThroat! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's still a major version jump from experimental to svn... |
| 00:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray! |
| 00:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it? :) |
| 00:01.47 | jelly-home | 1.94-1 == upstream 2.0 Beta 3 |
| 00:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok... how could you tell? |
| 00:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not an obvious == |
| 00:02.29 | jelly-home | aptitude changelog amarok=1.94-1 |
| 00:03.51 | jelly-home | judd: versions amarok |
| 00:03.51 | judd | jelly-home: amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4 lenny: 1.4.10-1 sid: 1.4.10-1 experimental: 1.94-1 |
| 00:03.58 | jelly-home | judd is much faster |
| 00:03.58 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 00:04.06 | jelly-home | and dumber, too |
| 00:04.10 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: are you german? |
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| 00:04.49 | jelly-home | ECHAN? |
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| 00:05.09 | streuner_ | jelly-home: seems so for you :-P |
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| 00:05.40 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I'm having trouble working in gnome-terminal, because for commands that go over one line, about 80 characters I would guess, it doesn't wrap to a new line, it wraps over an earlier part of the command. The command still works, but because it's overtyping I'm having some problems reading it and fixing errors, and such. Any idea what I've done to mess this up? |
| 00:06.00 | jelly-home | streuner_: it looked like the question was prompted by a line in #d-o |
| 00:06.21 | streuner_ | jelly: ic, didnt follow the convo there, sure... |
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| 00:06.48 | jelly-home | move along then |
| 00:07.38 | jelly-home | oOarthurOo: does it work better after you run "reset" |
| 00:07.40 | jelly-home | ? |
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| 00:08.36 | oOarthurOo | jelly-home: Didn't know about that feature. It works fine now. |
| 00:08.43 | oOarthurOo | Thanks |
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| 00:09.17 | k-man | is it normal for wtmp to be 50 meg? |
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| 00:09.58 | epsilon | if yoiu have many users... |
| 00:10.04 | jelly-home | oOarthurOo: sometimes the terminal is left in a weird state after killing a curses app in an unlawful way |
| 00:10.19 | k-man | epsilon: i don't have many - and the useres I have only use imap - they never log in |
| 00:10.37 | jelly-home | k-man: how much disk does it really use? run du -k on the file |
| 00:10.53 | k-man | 42meg |
| 00:11.15 | k-man | is there a way to examine its contents? |
| 00:11.24 | petemc | last |
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| 00:11.46 | k-man | petemc: thanks |
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| 00:12.16 | epsilon | well you can increase the rotation and compress old stuff |
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| 00:13.18 | epsilon | check /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 00:13.44 | k-man | can i get last to display last logins for all users? |
| 00:14.00 | petemc | lastlog |
| 00:14.53 | gimzo | Well, sid and experimental repos enabled, downloading 250 updates... I'm so going to break something :) |
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| 00:16.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner_, yeah, why? :) |
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| 00:17.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, although it slightly scary to run a command called "reset" :) |
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| 00:18.58 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: after 14 years of terminal usage, the fear subsides |
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| 00:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 00:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I'm not sure you should use it on any non-linux system |
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| 00:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | IRIX for example? |
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| 00:23.18 | epsilon | after 5 Years DOS-Prompt, you don't have any fear left at all -_- |
| 00:23.21 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: be sure. |
| 00:24.36 | k-man | i have been using the unix command line for many years |
| 00:25.00 | hmann | i am naked and i play with my penis |
| 00:25.04 | hmann | so what?! |
| 00:25.06 | k-man | recently i managed to rm -rf the contents of my home dir on one of my machines - fortunately there wasn't really anything i needed there |
| 00:25.11 | hmann | we all do! |
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| 00:26.57 | abrotman | hmann: keep it on topic |
| 00:27.09 | hmann | :x |
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| 00:28.18 | UdontKnow | k-man: time to learn to use a backup package |
| 00:28.54 | UdontKnow | k-man: bacula is a nice one, but the newer version, not the ancestor that lives in debian repositories |
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| 00:29.41 | k-man | UdontKnow: oh? sounds interesting |
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| 00:29.55 | gimzo | cya |
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| 00:30.08 | k-man | UdontKnow: i do backup my critical machine - this was a less critical machine, but it was still a good lesson :) |
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| 00:31.14 | UdontKnow | k-man: do you have proper backup procedures? |
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| 00:31.38 | k-man | UdontKnow: i think so |
| 00:31.46 | UdontKnow | k-man: learn bacula, you'll never live without it afterwards |
| 00:31.58 | k-man | UdontKnow: ok, thanks, i'll look into it |
| 00:32.07 | UdontKnow | k-man: then read the bacula presentations on the website, they are enlightening :) |
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| 00:49.41 | nhuisman_work | does anyone know a way I can take a piped stream of input and split it to two programs? |
| 00:49.52 | nhuisman_work | say the input of one program, and then also echo it to the screen? |
| 00:49.53 | petemc | tee |
| 00:50.08 | nhuisman_work | I'm not quite sure I understand how I would pipe it to both the program and echo it |
| 00:50.19 | jelly-home | nhuisman_work: tee! |
| 00:50.51 | nhuisman_work | yeah that was my first thought, maybe you could give me a hint on the syntax... say I have input that i'm piping: |
| 00:50.57 | nhuisman_work | cat test.txt | mycommand |
| 00:51.16 | nhuisman_work | I want test.txt echoed to the screen and piped to that command |
| 00:51.22 | themill | refrains from yelling UUOC! |
| 00:51.32 | nhuisman_work | uuoc? |
| 00:51.38 | nhuisman_work | is that something like rtfm? |
| 00:51.41 | jelly-home | themill: it's an example |
| 00:51.50 | themill | jelly-home: I know.. that's why I refrained! |
| 00:51.57 | jelly-home | we all know it's not really cat that gives the output |
| 00:51.59 | themill | nhuisman_work: /msg dpkg uuoc |
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| 00:52.12 | jelly-home | useless use of feline |
| 00:52.23 | themill | meeoiw! |
| 00:52.30 | nhuisman_work | haha i gotcha |
| 00:52.58 | nhuisman_work | It's actually a << block in a bash script full of input |
| 00:53.00 | themill | nhuisman_work: getting the output both to screen and pipeline is harder ... |
| 00:53.18 | nhuisman_work | cat << input | mycommand lots of input input |
| 00:53.26 | nhuisman_work | is there a way to not use cat ? |
| 00:53.27 | AnalogHole | Hey all. Does anyone know of debian install image that will boot from a CF card? I've got this micro system that can take two CF cards, but I can't connect a CD ROM to it. I want to install from one CF card to another. |
| 00:53.48 | AnalogHole | It is a normal PC otherwise. |
| 00:54.43 | nhuisman_work | what is that operator called anyways |
| 00:55.36 | \amethyst | nhuisman_work: I don't know about the operator specifically, but the whole thing is called a heredoc |
| 00:55.41 | nhuisman_work | ah |
| 00:55.43 | \amethyst | nhuisman_work: short for 'here-document' |
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| 00:55.56 | nhuisman_work | is there a way to pipe a heredoc into a commandline without a cat? |
| 00:56.15 | nhuisman_work | oh i see |
| 00:56.16 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
| 00:56.19 | nhuisman_work | you just put the program name in front of it |
| 00:56.20 | nhuisman_work | lol |
| 00:56.27 | \amethyst | yup |
| 00:56.40 | \amethyst | it works just like a redirection as far as the program is concerned |
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| 00:57.14 | leetdude1 | hi |
| 00:57.15 | leetdude1 | fuck u |
| 00:57.38 | leetdude1 | lol |
| 00:57.45 | themill | leetdude1: do you have something constructive that you'd like to add? |
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| 00:58.03 | themill | thanks, vorian |
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| 00:58.38 | jhamlin | does etch support the realtek RTL8101E network card? |
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| 00:59.04 | nhuisman_work | so anyone have any ideas of how I would echo that heredoc and also use it as input for a command? |
| 00:59.14 | nhuisman_work | I guess I could just have the heredoc twice and echo it |
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| 01:01.22 | jelly-home | yes foo | tee >(sed s/foo/bar) |
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| 01:02.38 | jelly-home | assuming a shell capable of process substitution, like bash or zsh |
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| 01:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | vorian, heh, got "fuck" on your beep/highlight list? :) |
| 01:04.00 | vorian | no, but i do have vorian on my hilight list |
| 01:04.02 | jelly-home | nhuisman_work: so, tee >(second command) <<EOF [... heredoc here ...] EOF |
| 01:04.19 | nhuisman_work | ah ok, I think i'm understanding tee a little better now. |
| 01:05.17 | jelly-home | tee outputs to a file and to stdout again. >(command) is a file bound to command's stdin |
| 01:06.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, amazing coincidence you just dropped by in the right moment, then |
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| 01:08.27 | stoned | hi |
| 01:08.36 | googlah | hiya |
| 01:08.44 | stoned | whats going on |
| 01:08.55 | stoned | its very cold here |
| 01:09.03 | ranix | here also |
| 01:09.05 | googlah | hehe, indeed here too |
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| 01:09.08 | ranix | it is 60 degrees in my apartment |
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| 01:09.13 | ranix | but I am going to california wednesday |
| 01:09.32 | Sane | how can I configure X? |
| 01:09.35 | googlah | Farenheit, ranix? |
| 01:09.38 | googlah | :) |
| 01:09.40 | stoned | Sane, /msg setup x |
| 01:09.41 | ranix | fahrenheit |
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| 01:09.42 | ranix | but yeah |
| 01:09.46 | stoned | doh /msg dpkg |
| 01:09.51 | Sane | dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt show me video modes and such, only kb layout |
| 01:09.51 | dpkg | Sane: You are moron #4 |
| 01:10.00 | ranix | lol |
| 01:10.03 | stoned | Sane, it won't show video modes |
| 01:10.20 | ranix | !moron #4 |
| 01:10.20 | dpkg | #4: You are moron #38 |
| 01:10.25 | googlah | ranix: it's 50F outside here, lol |
| 01:10.30 | stoned | you can try -plow as a debconf priority but I'm not sure if that will still show the selection or not |
| 01:10.39 | stoned | Sane, why don't you just use xrandr |
| 01:10.41 | ranix | googlah: it's 28F outside here |
| 01:10.53 | ranix | that's like, negative celsius |
| 01:11.02 | stoned | Sane, I think you'd have to manually put the desired resolution there in /etc/X11/xorg.conf now |
| 01:11.13 | googlah | ranix: No, sorry.. even 14F. .. |
| 01:11.20 | jelly-home | imperial weirdos. |
| 01:11.21 | ranix | (I'm kidding I'm kidding) |
| 01:11.22 | stoned | Sane, though X should query your monitor for the optimal resolution |
| 01:11.33 | stoned | jelly-home, metric > * |
| 01:11.35 | Sane | thats what I was expecting |
| 01:11.55 | stoned | !xrandr |
| 01:11.55 | dpkg | from memory, xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
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| 01:12.03 | stoned | without having to restart X |
| 01:12.12 | googlah | ranix: yep, negative celcius is good thing tho |
| 01:12.16 | stoned | Sane, you can also try grandr as a gui FE to xrandr |
| 01:12.33 | stoned | googlah, ranix can you guys take it to #debian-chat or #debian-offtopic please |
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| 01:13.35 | stoned | Sane, google for a sample xorg.conf and put the appropriate directives in your xorg.conf |
| 01:13.39 | ricosecada | When I put a package on hold using aptitude will the package also be on hold if I do a dist-upgrade using apt-get? |
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| 01:14.03 | stoned | ricosecada, it should, yes but don't mix apt-get and aptitude |
| 01:14.25 | stoned | !hold |
| 01:14.25 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 01:14.30 | ricosecada | stoned, I only use aptitude for searching normally |
| 01:14.53 | ricosecada | stoned, thanks |
| 01:15.12 | stoned | yup |
| 01:15.24 | Sane | xrandr says Can't open display |
| 01:15.39 | stoned | Sane, you have dri enabled ? |
| 01:16.00 | stoned | I think thats one of the grips of xrandr it doesn't work with dri I think or no wait.. it does.. it doesn't work with xinerama? |
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| 01:16.03 | nhuisman_work | jelly-home, by the way, that syntax didn't work |
| 01:16.07 | stoned | one of those two... I can't recall |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | xrandr works fine with dri |
| 01:16.58 | stoned | yeh its xinerama |
| 01:17.07 | stoned | so nm hes not using dual head anyway |
| 01:17.34 | Sane | I'm not sure dri is enabled |
| 01:17.38 | stoned | doesn't matter |
| 01:17.40 | Sane | how can I tell? |
| 01:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, I think you can use both apt-get and aptitude now... as apt-get also tags things as auto-installed - or are there other problems between the two? |
| 01:17.42 | abrotman | maybe he's try to run it as root |
| 01:17.48 | abrotman | or at CLI without X running |
| 01:17.53 | stoned | perhaps |
| 01:18.07 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm not too sure |
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| 01:18.39 | stoned | apt-get doesn't tag as autoinstalled does it? you can force it to install recommends/suggests but i don't think it marks them as autoinstalled and then removes them |
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| 01:18.58 | stoned | or has apt-get been updated with this aptitude's autoinstall/autoremove functionality? |
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| 01:19.06 | stoned | I'm not upto speed on it |
| 01:19.24 | Sane | abrotman: X isnt running |
| 01:19.30 | jelly-home | stoned: it has, lenny+ |
| 01:19.32 | stoned | Sane, sigh |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | Sane: hard to use xrandr .. without X running |
| 01:19.39 | stoned | jelly-home, cool |
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| 01:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sane, "driinfo"? /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... possibly from glxinfo as well |
| 01:20.15 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, startx might help... ;) |
| 01:20.26 | ron1n | hey guys, where can I find a decent package for truecrypt? Debian doesn't have an official one =/ |
| 01:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, ahaha... didn't see the "X isn't running |
| 01:20.37 | Sane | hmm, my display is correct, so is my resolution |
| 01:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | part |
| 01:20.44 | abrotman | !tell ron1n about truecrypt |
| 01:20.45 | Sane | yet the background looks very odd |
| 01:20.55 | Sane | it looks like its vibrating |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | did you install a WM ? |
| 01:21.09 | stoned | cute |
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| 01:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sane, I think you can be reasonably sure that dri is not enabled while X is not running :) |
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| 01:22.26 | ron1n | heh abrotman I know what truecrypt is, my issue is I have a 128MB parition on my flash disk for various truecrypt packages, and a 15GB encrypted partition. This way I can get to my encrypted disk whenever I have to |
| 01:22.37 | SQlvpapir | !tell SQlvpapir about truecrypt |
| 01:22.52 | ron1n | Is the fact that it is non-free excluding it from debian's official repo? |
| 01:22.57 | stoned | SQlvpapir, /msg dpkg keyword_here |
| 01:23.08 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 01:23.08 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 01:23.25 | stoned | !dpkg.web.search |
| 01:23.25 | dpkg | well, dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 01:23.28 | SQlvpapir | almost sleeping |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | ron1n: it's more than non-free |
| 01:23.31 | stoned | enjoy |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | yay flood |
| 01:23.49 | stoned | :/ |
| 01:24.08 | ron1n | abrotman, but there are reasons why it isn't officially in the repos? |
| 01:24.49 | stoned | uh yeh |
| 01:25.01 | abrotman | ron1n: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=debian-legal+truecrypt&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f |
| 01:25.08 | stoned | nothing is without reason... |
| 01:25.20 | ron1n | I forgot this was Debian =P |
| 01:25.32 | stoned | yeh, you're not in ubuntuland |
| 01:25.39 | stoned | we're reasonable people here ;) |
| 01:25.55 | ron1n | actually, I am a slackware user =P I know about reasonable oeprating systems =] |
| 01:26.11 | ron1n | a lot of my friends use Debian, and I wanted to be sure I could get to my crypted disk |
| 01:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, except the attack on iraq? |
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| 01:26.23 | hellues | hey |
| 01:26.25 | stoned | I'm sorry, what? |
| 01:26.31 | stoned | actually nm. |
| 01:26.34 | hellues | are there someone who use prelink on debian |
| 01:26.35 | stoned | w/e |
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| 01:26.43 | stoned | hellues, whats a prelink? |
| 01:26.54 | abrotman | hellues: yes, people do, ask your real question |
| 01:27.04 | hellues | hmm |
| 01:27.08 | hellues | okey |
| 01:27.21 | hellues | how can i use prelink efficient |
| 01:27.29 | hellues | i mean i do prelink -afmR |
| 01:27.47 | stoned | oh |
| 01:27.50 | hellues | but this doesnt give a good result.Lots of mistake and so on |
| 01:28.04 | stoned | I thought it had something to do with like interfaces or soemthing |
| 01:28.08 | SQlvpapir | this chat is so boring I will fall asleep soon |
| 01:28.10 | stoned | haha |
| 01:28.26 | stoned | SQlvpapir, then go join #sexchat on undernet or somewheres |
| 01:28.34 | stoned | this is technical nerd talk... what do you expect |
| 01:28.34 | hellues | muhahahha |
| 01:28.40 | stoned | this is about as interesting as watching flies fuck. |
| 01:28.43 | stoned | ... |
| 01:28.44 | SQlvpapir | the whole point is to fall asleep :-) |
| 01:28.45 | ron1n | heh |
| 01:28.48 | hellues | abrotman, do you know any tutorial about prelink |
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| 01:29.16 | abrotman | hellues: i believe the prelink package has documentation |
| 01:29.32 | hellues | where is it ? |
| 01:29.35 | stoned | elf linking library.. I wonder what google has on it |
| 01:29.48 | stoned | hellues, install prelink and go to /usr/share/doc/prelink |
| 01:29.48 | ron1n | I guess i should be using LUKS instead of truecrypt, thats what everyting is pointing too anyway |
| 01:29.48 | stoned | ? |
| 01:30.02 | hellues | okey |
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| 01:30.19 | ron1n | this is a really stupid question, but a stupid person once told me there is no suchthing |
| 01:30.40 | ron1n | if I install the ubuntu package for truecrypt on a debian system, will it even work at all? |
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| 01:30.49 | abrotman | ron1n: maybe .. maybe not .. |
| 01:30.53 | stoned | no telling' |
| 01:31.14 | hellues | one more question,while searcching how to speed up debian.I see something on ext3.Debian mount ex3 with a ordered data mode what about writeback or something lie that.I am noıt sure about writeback but this is something like that |
| 01:31.15 | stoned | one thing is certain though, it won't be supported here or in ubuntu |
| 01:31.27 | ron1n | stoned, I know that much =P |
| 01:31.38 | ron1n | noone can help a franken-distro |
| 01:31.58 | stoned | yeh.. thats your own personal monster |
| 01:32.37 | ron1n | heh you should see my slackware labrat |
| 01:32.49 | ron1n | half of it is -current and the other half is 12.1 =P |
| 01:33.17 | stoned | I've a mix of exp. and unstable and half of my apps are built from upstream... |
| 01:33.18 | stoned | heh |
| 01:33.29 | ron1n | alright, it looks like LUKS is the next way to go. It has win32 support to my surprise |
| 01:33.39 | stoned | i should just go install a gentoo system for the fuck of it |
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| 01:34.11 | ron1n | I'm going to use gentoo on my new machine. |
| 01:34.15 | stoned | built zsnes from svn last night as the unstable package has a libao bug |
| 01:34.16 | stoned | no sound |
| 01:34.24 | ron1n | heh |
| 01:34.38 | stoned | audio.c source wasn't spawning the correct thread |
| 01:35.04 | stoned | and there was no official patch I could find I was like fuck it I'll build from svn |
| 01:35.13 | stoned | but now I can play mario rpg again so im happy |
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| 01:36.04 | hellues | !msg dpkg paste |
| 01:36.06 | stoned | and got latest xorg/mesa stuff and now I got my x1900xt r5xx ati card with the radeon driver and full 3d support and dri enabled with direct rednering |
| 01:36.14 | stoned | compiz runs great, games run great |
| 01:36.15 | Sane | how can I change color depth in xrandr? |
| 01:36.30 | stoned | Sane, read the manpage |
| 01:36.32 | ron1n | Sane, pretty sure the man page has it |
| 01:36.37 | Sane | alright |
| 01:36.38 | stoned | Sane, there is also a 'grandr' |
| 01:36.47 | stoned | its a gui for xrandr but still read the manpage |
| 01:36.47 | ron1n | grandr!? |
| 01:36.49 | ron1n | googles |
| 01:36.57 | stoned | !+info grandr |
| 01:36.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:37.03 | ron1n | heh |
| 01:37.11 | stoned | judd versions grandr |
| 01:37.11 | judd | stoned: grandr -- lenny: 0.1+git20080326-1 sid: 0.1+git20080326-1 |
| 01:37.18 | stoned | at least he is fast |
| 01:37.20 | dpkg | grandr: (gtk interface to xrandr), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.1+git20080326-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 01:37.32 | gravity | xrandr doesn't do color depth |
| 01:37.44 | Sane | what does then? |
| 01:37.45 | stoned | yeh, i think you'd have to restartx for that |
| 01:37.47 | gravity | You specify that one with xorg.conf if you really want it |
| 01:37.48 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/21950/ are there something wrong ? If there is something wrong ?How can i fix it |
| 01:37.49 | stoned | xorg.conf file |
| 01:37.52 | stoned | yup |
| 01:37.54 | stoned | gravity, hi |
| 01:37.55 | gravity | Although why do you want to do it? |
| 01:37.56 | ron1n | man xorg.conf |
| 01:37.58 | gravity | Hi stoned |
| 01:38.24 | gravity | Consider grandr dead |
| 01:38.26 | Sane | well my desktop image looks like its in 16 bit color |
| 01:38.28 | stoned | gravity, any word on when sid xorg will get upgraded to next version |
| 01:38.28 | stoned | ? |
| 01:38.29 | gravity | Because it pretty much is |
| 01:38.42 | gravity | stoned: Nope. I've been totally out of touch while finishing my thesis and stuff |
| 01:38.55 | gravity | stoned: But my sense is probably immediately after release. |
| 01:39.00 | gravity | That's when I'd do it |
| 01:39.07 | stoned | ahh |
| 01:39.09 | gravity | And Julien and I think alike, so... |
| 01:39.17 | stoned | word then |
| 01:39.33 | stoned | just curious, I notice they have been uploaded to experimental lately |
| 01:39.59 | gravity | That's good to hear |
| 01:40.21 | gravity | I've been worried that the team was having a lot of trouble with lack of manpower |
| 01:40.22 | stoned | jus reading your bit on grandr |
| 01:40.25 | stoned | how come its dead? |
| 01:40.33 | gravity | Because upstream pretty much died |
| 01:40.37 | ron1n | damn |
| 01:40.38 | stoned | gravity, ohhhh |
| 01:40.48 | ron1n | i guess xrandr just works(tm) |
| 01:41.00 | gravity | It was done by an intel intern, and no one picked it up. Instead, there's this new gnome thing that the fedora guys and the ubuntu X guy wrote instead which is not shit |
| 01:41.06 | gravity | ron1n: Yeah, xrandr is solid |
| 01:41.15 | abrotman | gnome-display-properties ? |
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| 01:41.27 | gravity | We don't have the new gnome thing yet. I hope the gnome packagers do their thing so the XSF doesn't have to |
| 01:41.37 | gravity | abrotman: No idea, to be honest. I know how it works, but not what it's called :-) |
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| 01:41.44 | stoned | its nto a XSF deal... |
| 01:41.48 | ron1n | it really made my Nokia Internet tabet. Vertical wise just like an oversized iphone |
| 01:41.54 | stoned | if its a gnome app, it belongs to the gnome group |
| 01:42.02 | gravity | ron1n: Which one do you have? I have a 770 |
| 01:42.13 | ron1n | 770 as well =] |
| 01:42.17 | gravity | stoned: Sure, but I'm not 100% sure that it's part of gnome |
| 01:42.17 | ron1n | running Deblet |
| 01:42.22 | stoned | ahhh |
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| 01:42.34 | gravity | ron1n: Oh, neat. I'm still running the stock OS. I'm pissed though, because nokia abandoned the thing |
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| 01:42.44 | stoned | well |
| 01:42.46 | gravity | Never buying a long-lived device from a cell phone company again |
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| 01:43.07 | stoned | for the first time in my life I am enjoying my badass X1900xtx ati video card without fglrx and full stable 3d support |
| 01:43.10 | stoned | all open source |
| 01:43.18 | gravity | Nice |
| 01:43.22 | stoned | man I can't fucking contain myself ;) |
| 01:43.23 | gravity | AMD has really turned the bend |
| 01:43.29 | stoned | I like ati now |
| 01:43.36 | ron1n | gravity, me too! |
| 01:43.44 | gravity | There's tons of good work going on upstream, but it's way out of my depth. Moving memory management to the kernel makes things difficult |
| 01:43.45 | stoned | I was considering switching to nvidia a few months ago, but no more |
| 01:43.46 | ron1n | but there is a lot of great work being done by the Maemo team |
| 01:43.53 | gravity | (For me, it's the right technical move though) |
| 01:43.59 | gravity | ron1n: Sure, for the 810 :-p |
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| 01:44.26 | dondelelcaro | gravity: hey, wassup |
| 01:44.27 | ron1n | so it seems, but a closer look and the 770 is clear in a lot of projects roadmaps |
| 01:44.53 | ron1n | I plan on picking up the next core release, even the new n810 wimax is still based off of the n800 |
| 01:44.54 | stoned | hey don |
| 01:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, does that mean future ati cards will have instant open-source drivers with full acceleration support? |
| 01:44.56 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Heya! |
| 01:44.58 | stoned | whats goin on |
| 01:45.04 | stoned | hey that rhymes ;) |
| 01:45.11 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, supported ones yes! |
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| 01:45.18 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, 3d support is good only for r5xx so far |
| 01:45.29 | stoned | and hopefully soon for r6x and 7x chipsets too |
| 01:45.32 | gravity | ron1n: Is it hard to do upgrades for the unofficial builds? |
| 01:45.51 | ron1n | gravity, not in my experience |
| 01:46.01 | ron1n | if you run into an issues the guys in #maemo really are great |
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| 01:46.14 | gravity | ron1n: I should look in to it then. OS2006 is super crashy and limited |
| 01:46.20 | gravity | And I want a better pdf reader so very much |
| 01:46.22 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, currently though, not possible, as debian sid doesn't have the proper software |
| 01:46.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, well, good to know - been on the nvidia side for the last years, but not having to do the extra-steps for each kernel would be a bonus to reconsider :) |
| 01:46.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 01:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you still built yours for now? |
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| 01:48.02 | ron1n | gravity, the 770's hardware is limited, so any kind of large document rendering leaves lots to be desired =/ |
| 01:48.10 | gravity | ron1n: I know :-( |
| 01:48.25 | gravity | ron1n: The best argument for forking out for an 810 is that the hardware is adequate |
| 01:48.52 | gravity | ron1n: Although, to be honest, at this point I'm thinking that a PSP may be better for what I want. At least Sony supports the thing, and the games are way better :-) |
| 01:49.02 | ron1n | very true |
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| 01:49.21 | ron1n | but as far as a free software operating system, your a ways away from that |
| 01:49.26 | gravity | Very very true |
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| 01:49.36 | ron1n | not that nokia's blob-asuarus is much better |
| 01:49.46 | stoned | yes |
| 01:49.52 | gravity | But after getting screwed by Nokia even with a free OS, and not actually having time to hack on it myself, I'm ok with proprietary for this particular niche |
| 01:50.00 | stoned | I've built my own mesa, 7.3 xorg etc. etc. and now my thingy works |
| 01:50.16 | gravity | stoned: All by hand? |
| 01:50.17 | stoned | but in debian experimental they have these packages so you don' thave to build them if you dont' want, but I don't know the quality of thsoe packages |
| 01:50.20 | stoned | or thier state |
| 01:50.21 | stoned | gravity, git, yes |
| 01:50.22 | gravity | stoned: Or did you use jhbuild or something |
| 01:50.34 | gravity | stoned: Those packages should be just fine |
| 01:50.36 | stoned | by hand |
| 01:50.38 | gravity | Ouch |
| 01:50.42 | stoned | I haven't had the chance to try them |
| 01:50.48 | ron1n | gravity, MIPS doesn't seem to get a debian port soon, and slackware's ports are very. very limited =P so I'm holding out until a N9xx series |
| 01:50.50 | stoned | had i know we had packages I wouldn't have bothered to build |
| 01:50.51 | stoned | heh |
| 01:50.59 | stoned | I found out too late |
| 01:51.04 | gravity | stoned: Check out jhbuild. there's instructions for using it on either the x.org or fd.o wiki for using it. You can do a local install and not mess with your packaged install |
| 01:51.16 | stoned | oh cool |
| 01:51.28 | ron1n | armedslack may not be EABI ready, but I know debian is =p |
| 01:51.30 | gravity | ron1n: Yeah, this is typical of the thing. I like my 770 ok, it does what it needs to (barely) |
| 01:51.42 | gravity | ron1n: But making it do more requires an incredible time investment |
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| 01:52.14 | ron1n | I mainly use it as a mobile messaging and as astrisk handset in a pinch |
| 01:52.29 | ron1n | rendering any kind of considerible web pages takes too longg |
| 01:52.46 | gravity | It does ok for basic things. Google, nytimes. |
| 01:52.56 | gravity | But yeah, it's waaaay underpowered. It's sad. |
| 01:52.59 | stoned | http://www.gnome.org/~jamesh/jhbuild.html |
| 01:53.01 | stoned | found this |
| 01:53.06 | ron1n | not teathered to an EDGE phone =P |
| 01:53.27 | stoned | http://www.x.org/wiki/JhBuildInstructions |
| 01:53.28 | stoned | bingo |
| 01:53.34 | gravity | stoned: You want the latter |
| 01:53.40 | stoned | yes |
| 01:53.54 | ron1n | pidgin, twitter, and some quick blogging. The oversized thumboard feature was truely genius |
| 01:54.12 | gravity | Hehe |
| 01:54.38 | ron1n | saves me from buying an expensive PDA phone with candypaper qwerty keyboard |
| 01:54.52 | stoned | man I need to find a good controller that works with mupen64 |
| 01:55.07 | stoned | for n64 games, or would it be possible to hook up a n64 controller to my pc and the emulator? |
| 01:55.17 | stoned | does anyone have any exp. with that on debian? |
| 01:55.40 | stoned | I have a gravis gamepad ultra pro thingy, and it work son all snes games and stuff, but it doesn't have sticks |
| 01:55.41 | ron1n | stoned, you would need some kind of serial setup as thats what the controller uses |
| 01:55.54 | stoned | perhaps there are usb plugs for it |
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| 01:56.05 | ron1n | they make usb/serial adapters that have N64 controller output |
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| 01:56.33 | ron1n | so you just plug in an official controller and it will show up as js0 transparent to the OS |
| 01:56.39 | stoned | sweet |
| 01:56.40 | ron1n | let me link ya' |
| 01:56.46 | stoned | you are the fuckin man! |
| 01:57.22 | ron1n | =] no problem |
| 01:57.25 | ron1n | http://joystores.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=144¤cy=USD |
| 01:57.34 | ron1n | this one will even do playstation controllers too |
| 01:57.50 | stoned | it doesn't say compat. with linux |
| 01:58.08 | ron1n | 99.9% of them work, it just shows up as js0 |
| 01:58.16 | stoned | ok |
| 01:58.21 | stoned | like /dev/input/js0 etc. |
| 01:58.22 | ron1n | if you don't believe me, just google =] |
| 01:58.25 | ron1n | yupp |
| 01:58.26 | stoned | and I can map the buttons in my emulator |
| 01:58.28 | stoned | ? |
| 01:58.30 | ron1n | mhmm |
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| 01:58.32 | stoned | sweet |
| 01:58.37 | stoned | not bad for 20 bucks |
| 01:58.39 | ron1n | I do it with a similar adapter for my DDR controller |
| 01:58.40 | ron1n | heh |
| 01:58.41 | ron1n | http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-adapter-for-N64-controller-Nintendo-64-to-PC_W0QQitemZ310073308254QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:58.44 | ron1n | there it is for 10 |
| 01:58.49 | abrotman | sends everyone to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:59.24 | gravity | Technically, the 770 runs a debian derivative ;-) |
| 01:59.27 | gravity | Not entirely OT |
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| 01:59.42 | abrotman | notes we don't support debian-based distros in #debian :) |
| 01:59.47 | gravity | touche |
| 01:59.50 | stoned | heh |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | though it just petered out on its own apparently |
| 02:00.50 | ron1n | well not to further the argument, but rather to entertain it....deblet uses almost exclusivly "upsteam" debian arm-ebai packages |
| 02:01.02 | ron1n | neither here nor there |
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| 02:02.03 | gravity | wonders if emdebian will get in to the nokias. That'd be neat. |
| 02:02.41 | stoned | I ordered it! |
| 02:03.11 | ron1n | does it support eabi armv5? |
| 02:03.27 | gravity | No idea |
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| 02:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | are there any packages that would work well for re-tagging/sorting ~10000 mp3s using e.g. musicbrainz with minimal user interaction and still a low mess-it-up factor? (e.g. using the current sorting in sub-directories where possible etc.) |
| 02:03.34 | ron1n | looking at it now... |
| 02:03.52 | gravity | The main goal is to allow easily stripping down the core distro so it can go on embedded hw |
| 02:04.11 | stoned | oh boy |
| 02:04.17 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, nope |
| 02:04.39 | stoned | # of files doesn't matter, there is no tool for it |
| 02:04.47 | gravity | CutMeOwnThroat: Sounds like you want to roll your own, although ex falso in the quodlibet package my help |
| 02:05.13 | gravity | CutMeOwnThroat: I know it can do some of that, but I haven't used it for anything but manually retagging things |
| 02:05.30 | kunwon1 | CutMeOwnThroat, have you looked at Picard? |
| 02:05.31 | stoned | I just tag everything I as I rip it or DL it |
| 02:05.37 | kunwon1 | oh wait |
| 02:05.40 | kunwon1 | that might not be packaged, n/m |
| 02:05.42 | stoned | and always keep backups |
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| 02:06.05 | stoned | Amarok also features selecting an entire collection and automatically tagging songs using musicbrainz |
| 02:06.06 | kunwon1 | yes, it's in sid |
| 02:06.09 | stoned | perhaps that might help |
| 02:06.31 | stoned | it will be slow but hm... give it a go |
| 02:06.33 | keith_ | anyone else's dovecot crashing? (in lenny) |
| 02:06.45 | stoned | keith_, first thing to check would be the BTS |
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| 02:07.17 | keith_ | stoned: yah, good idea. it's weird... just about about 6 different dovecot installs crash within 5 minutes |
| 02:07.25 | stoned | damn |
| 02:07.39 | kunwon1 | CutMeOwnThroat, check out picard, it might be what you need, but I believe it only exists in unstable repos |
| 02:07.53 | stoned | judd versions picard |
| 02:07.53 | judd | stoned: picard -- lenny: 0.9.0-4 sid: 0.9.0-4 experimental: 0.10-1 |
| 02:08.10 | kunwon1 | oh, lenny it is |
| 02:08.32 | over9k | hi, what is the best way to run script on power off ? |
| 02:09.01 | over9k | i want for some script to work when i press power button on my box |
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| 02:11.25 | supersoundguy | over9k: you can write an init script and do an update-rc.d to add it to runlevel 0 (the halt runlevel) |
| 02:12.15 | v4nelle | guys,i can't find apt.conf on /etc/apt/apt.conf... any help? |
| 02:12.27 | over9k | supersoundguy thx will try it now |
| 02:12.42 | liable | i cannot think why i would have loop dev perms problems on a vps, except that its something to do with the actuall vps setiup itself. any ideas? |
| 02:13.15 | stoned | liable, you gotta give more info |
| 02:13.31 | stoned | liable, you are trying to mount something as loopback? and its not letting you? |
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| 02:13.41 | supersoundguy | over9k: if you put your script in /etc/init.d you can just update-rc.d <scriptname> add 0 (i think something like that) |
| 02:13.43 | liable | yeh, and the dev perms are fine |
| 02:14.17 | liable | and its an odd mount error i havent seen before.. mount: no permission to look at /dev/loop# |
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| 02:14.38 | stoned | yes, for me also new |
| 02:14.48 | stoned | I'm sure you've tried to google it already? |
| 02:15.01 | liable | yeah |
| 02:15.45 | kunwon1 | liable, what fstype? |
| 02:16.11 | stoned | does fstype matter? |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | v4nelle: then create it |
| 02:16.45 | liable | its a vps, and it says 'simfs' |
| 02:16.54 | stoned | liable, you're right perhaps. It seems to be something with the vps configuration |
| 02:16.54 | v4nelle | i ony find /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | v4nelle: so just create the file |
| 02:17.33 | liable | i am thinking, the stupid hosting people havent replied to my query though |
| 02:17.44 | kunwon1 | liable, you can get that error if you don't have the fs module loaded into your kernel |
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| 02:18.08 | kunwon1 | liable, I've seen it with cramfs |
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| 02:18.18 | kunwon1 | dont know what simfs is |
| 02:18.23 | liable | hmm |
| 02:18.29 | stoned | its a certain file ssytem type for vps |
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| 02:18.40 | stoned | it allows more than 1 isolation fo hardware resources |
| 02:18.44 | liable | i cant even see what modules are loaded |
| 02:18.45 | stoned | something like that anyway |
| 02:18.59 | abrotman | liable: perms on /dev/loop ? |
| 02:19.18 | liable | abrotman: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 Nov 19 03:34 loop0 |
| 02:19.23 | liable | which is normal |
| 02:19.26 | abrotman | did you alter those ? |
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| 02:19.46 | abrotman | liable: doesn't match my system here |
| 02:20.08 | supersoundguy | liable: those perms match mine |
| 02:20.10 | liable | abrotman: a straight debian system is root root on my box, but the perms are the same |
| 02:20.18 | stoned | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 2008-11-19 12:59 /dev/loop0 |
| 02:20.23 | stoned | they also match mine |
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| 02:20.48 | liable | actually, root root in my chroot when i had to make them with mknod |
| 02:20.55 | stoned | hm |
| 02:20.56 | liable | but, they are fine anyway |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | brw------- 1 root root 7, 0 2008-11-20 14:12 /dev/loop0 |
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| 02:21.03 | abrotman | but anyways ... |
| 02:21.04 | stoned | eitherway |
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| 02:22.45 | creative2bad | hi all |
| 02:23.03 | creative2bad | i'm trying to switch from vsftpd to proftpd.. i did, apt-get remove vsftpd then apt-get insatll proftpd |
| 02:23.22 | creative2bad | how come proftpd isn't letting my users login using their information thats stored int he system when i create accounts? |
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| 02:23.50 | MrWax | Does anyone know how come the uniq function doesn't work on this: cat file.txt | uniq > unique ? |
| 02:23.54 | MrWax | There are clearly 2 lines the same |
| 02:23.55 | MrWax | and still they keep appearing in unique |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | MrWax: you need to `sort file.txt | uniq` |
| 02:25.08 | MrWax | ok clear |
| 02:25.36 | stoned | if (somedev==0 && permission) { |
| 02:25.43 | creative2bad | can anyone help me? |
| 02:25.49 | stoned | error(_("%s: no permission to look at /dev/loop#"), progname); |
| 02:25.51 | stoned | heh |
| 02:26.02 | MrWax | abrotman: sort file | uniq > new? |
| 02:26.04 | MrWax | like that? |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | MrWax: try it |
| 02:26.20 | MrWax | works |
| 02:26.26 | MrWax | how come my way doesn't work? |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | MrWax: i believe the 'uniq' man page tells you that the file must be sorted |
| 02:27.02 | Wyzard | MrWax: uniq only removes *adjacent* duplicate lines |
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| 02:27.20 | Wyzard | MrWax: sorting gets all the duplicates adjacent to each other |
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| 02:28.55 | supersoundguy | anyone ever worked with apache directory server? |
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| 02:30.07 | creative2bad | i'm trying to switch from vsftpd to proftpd.. i did, apt-get remove vsftpd then apt-get insatll proftpd -- how come proftpd isn't letting my users login using their information thats stored int he system when i create accounts? |
| 02:30.34 | stoned | is it enabled to allow local users to login? |
| 02:30.54 | stoned | or only virtual users or something |
| 02:31.08 | stoned | oh wait you're switching from vsftpd |
| 02:31.15 | stoned | ok nevermind my bad |
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| 02:32.01 | abrotman | and he left ... |
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| 02:33.42 | jogla | wasn't there a good alternative for procmal? |
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| 02:34.35 | stoned | sometimes that happens |
| 02:34.47 | jogla | can anyone remember the name? |
| 02:35.21 | gravity | mailfilter? |
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| 02:35.24 | abrotman | apt-cache search procmail ? |
| 02:35.28 | gravity | still uses procmail |
| 02:35.39 | abrotman | uses an intern |
| 02:36.03 | gravity | Nice. |
| 02:36.26 | jogla | ahh, thanks |
| 02:36.46 | kunwon1 | PFY |
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| 02:37.43 | stoned | lol |
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| 02:43.43 | alex|xela | does anyone have anyu ideas on how i can migrate all my users from one server to another? like the /etc/passwd /etc/group goes ok, but my /etc/shadow is a tough one, copying over the file doesnt seem to work, as the password are all broken, anyone know how to migrate a /etc/shadow from one server to another? |
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| 02:45.30 | dondelelcaro | alex|xela: you just copy it over |
| 02:45.40 | dondelelcaro | alex|xela: assuming you've enabled shadow passwords |
| 02:46.17 | stoned | copy passwd, shadow, grou |
| 02:46.21 | stoned | group* |
| 02:46.25 | alex|xela | dud that |
| 02:46.27 | alex|xela | did* |
| 02:46.31 | alex|xela | didtn work |
| 02:46.35 | alex|xela | passwords dont auth |
| 02:46.37 | supersoundguy | alex|xela: there is also a pwconv command to recreate the shadow from /etc/passwd |
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| 02:46.50 | stoned | diff os? |
| 02:47.04 | stoned | uid/gid mismatch? |
| 02:47.05 | alex|xela | supersoundguy: passwords sorted in /etc/shadow |
| 02:47.14 | alex|xela | going from debian -> ubuntu |
| 02:47.31 | jonas21 | raid question.. what does (S) mean in the 'active' line of /proc/mdstat/ |
| 02:47.38 | jonas21 | er, /proc/mdstat? |
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| 02:48.59 | LikeVinyl | is away: No hay nada repartido de modo más equitativo que la razón: todo el mundo está convencido de tener suficiente. |
| 02:49.12 | dondelelcaro | LikeVinyl: please turn off your public away message |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | !tell LikeVinyl about awa |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:49.22 | jonas21 | trying to build raid5.. keeps on leaving 1 disk "out"; normally it does a rebuild but i'm not seeing the [====----] progress meter |
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| 02:49.34 | jonas21 | but if a disk was broken i thought i'd see (F) |
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| 02:50.32 | jonas21 | also, i've created it twice, and it leaves different disks out each time |
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| 02:52.55 | jonas21 | ahh.. the array was read only which was preventing the sync.. doing mdadm --readwrite <dev> fixed it |
| 02:53.05 | jonas21 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464560 |
| 02:53.21 | onetinsoldier | hello all. i am having trouble with what i thought would be a simple tar command... tar -xjvf patch-2.6.28-rc6.bz2 ...the error is that no such file or directory exists. the file is there. i don't understand what's wrong. |
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| 02:57.02 | onetinsoldier | any ideas, anyone? |
| 02:57.07 | stoned | uh |
| 02:57.21 | stoned | its not a tar'd bzip2 it is looking like a just a bzipped file |
| 02:57.26 | stoned | so maybe thats the error? |
| 02:57.54 | onetinsoldier | so try the z option in place of the j option? |
| 02:58.15 | stoned | try bzip2 -d |
| 02:58.20 | stoned | no... |
| 02:58.26 | stoned | z is for gzipped files |
| 02:58.42 | stoned | or use bunzip2 |
| 02:58.46 | stoned | whichever |
| 02:58.48 | DogBoy | where does it say tar |
| 02:59.42 | onetinsoldier | well, yes, that will of course unzip the file, but the 'j' option is suppoed to filter it through bzip2, negating the need to unzip it with bzip2 first. at least it used to work that way, years ago |
| 03:00.00 | stoned | yes but its not tar'd |
| 03:00.12 | stoned | whats the matter with you |
| 03:00.17 | onetinsoldier | omg.. ok, my bad.. thanks stoned |
| 03:00.48 | onetinsoldier | maybe i need to get stoned! ha |
| 03:00.56 | DogBoy | <DogBoy> where does it say tar |
| 03:00.59 | stoned | maybe... |
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| 03:04.36 | DynV | is there a way with bluefish to replace and/or find multiple lines ? |
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| 03:05.08 | DynV | the find box has a single line ... |
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| 03:13.03 | stoned | im sure you can use regex search/replace, and use dilimiters... |
| 03:13.12 | stoned | like \n etc. for newline |
| 03:13.36 | stoned | you can replace multiple lines that way |
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| 03:21.53 | pavol | hi i have a problem, when i plug in my headphones, the sound doesn't stop coming out of my external speakers, it comes out of both my headphones and my speaker. does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 03:22.37 | factotum | hello pavol, why don't you just ask in #ubuntu since it is related to the *buntu distribution? |
| 03:23.31 | pavol | i did, they directed me to here lol |
| 03:23.57 | factotum | odd |
| 03:24.40 | neoice | pavol: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base ? |
| 03:24.42 | neoice | or similar? |
| 03:24.50 | abrotman | pavol: Ubuntu is not supported here, go to #ubuntu if you're using Ubuntu |
| 03:26.13 | gravity | #ubuntu still can't solve their own problems after all this time? |
| 03:26.33 | abrotman | they still can't spell |
| 03:26.56 | neoice | #ubuntu has been useless every time I've used it |
| 03:27.12 | gravity | That's too bad |
| 03:27.20 | neoice | but the same question here at least points me in the right direction |
| 03:27.41 | abrotman | but you shouldn't ask here, it's offtopic and if you persist you can be banned |
| 03:28.13 | jimpop | pavol: sounds like you have a #hardware problem |
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| 03:28.21 | gravity | agrees with jimpop |
| 03:28.28 | abrotman | it's likely a kernel/driver/alsa problem |
| 03:28.55 | jimpop | headphone jack switch is worn out |
| 03:29.00 | neoice | abrotman: for a variety of general questions (script issues, kernel, what package should I look for), both channels work the same |
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| 03:29.08 | MadWax | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.15 | abrotman | neoice: no they do not, and if you're caught you will be banned ... end of discussion |
| 03:29.52 | pavol | ok sorry, i wasn't aware of the rules, thanks for the help |
| 03:30.56 | neoice | try the forums, I get much better results there |
| 03:31.01 | MadWax | will try |
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| 03:51.59 | helo | anyone else notice that ping seems to be laggy? |
| 03:52.19 | yitz_ | Depends on your connection and the connection of whomever you are pinging |
| 03:52.38 | helo | ... and when i press ^c, it doesn't stop immediately |
| 03:54.11 | helo | well, the ping times are very good, like 70ms... but instead of the usual ping every second, it will ping every few seconds... but with no packet loss |
| 03:54.40 | helo | it only happens sometimes, but i've noticed it on multiple lenny machines with completely different hardware and connections |
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| 03:55.20 | neoice | helo: ^c not killing things makes me think of CPU load |
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| 03:57.42 | bugjar | ok, i've asked before, please tell me again how i can get a process to release the sound... :^/ |
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| 04:00.00 | DogBoy | release it from what |
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| 04:03.24 | bugjar | i've had a process, a sound file playback or something, halt and now nothing else will play audio. youtube is silent! (usually youtube being silent isn't so bad.. :) but it's preventing music from emminating from the speakers.) |
| 04:04.00 | godlygeek | i've seen ^C not kill ping, too - not sure why... |
| 04:04.12 | godlygeek | definitely wasn't CPU load, though. |
| 04:04.31 | abrotman | bugjar: lsof or fuser might be useful |
| 04:04.32 | bugjar | trouble is, it's been so long since i've had to use the appropriate incantation that it's no longer in shell history and i've never been smart enough to write it down. |
| 04:04.46 | bugjar | abrotman -- fuser! thank you! |
| 04:04.52 | bugjar | scribbles in the margins |
| 04:04.55 | the_jaymz | I setup a Debian system today and accidentally set the wrong time zone. The explanations I've found through Google have me use tzselect to change the timezone to what it should be, then set the TZ variable in my profile. If I do this, my user sees the correct time/zone, but other users don't. How do I make this a system wide change? |
| 04:05.25 | abrotman | the_jaymz: run 'tzselect' as root ? |
| 04:05.27 | DogBoy | do it as root? |
| 04:05.36 | the_jaymz | yes, i did it as root |
| 04:07.02 | samplr | how can I enable the mic boost from the CLI? |
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| 04:08.19 | Coweater | alsamixer one of the sliders should be a toggle and labeled mic boost |
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| 04:08.45 | godlygeek | samplr: or, if you need something scriptable, use amixer instead of alsamixer |
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| 04:10.47 | bugjar | samplr : alsamixer ? |
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| 04:12.54 | samplr | bugjar: godlygeek: I don't think I have an alsa card. it's USB |
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| 04:15.13 | godlygeek | samplr: so, did you try alsamixer with no luck? |
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| 04:16.10 | samplr | godlygeek: do I need an alsa card? |
| 04:16.44 | onetinsoldier | alsa is not a type or manufacturer of sounds cards |
| 04:16.45 | godlygeek | samplr: alsa isn't a type of card... it's a software sound system... |
| 04:17.11 | onetinsoldier | it interfaces with your sound cards driver |
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| 04:23.42 | n3kl | hey, what is a good command line mp3 player? |
| 04:24.15 | mmlj4 | prism2 on debian? how, please? |
| 04:24.16 | DogBoy | cplay is my favorite |
| 04:24.20 | liable | i like cplay, its a frontend for mpg321/mpg123 |
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| 04:24.31 | DogBoy | sounds like a consensus |
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| 04:24.52 | n3kl | cool, thanks |
| 04:25.02 | n3kl | I like that it doesn't need X |
| 04:25.19 | DogBoy | it's easy to hack to get it working with whatever audio files |
| 04:26.34 | godlygeek | i like mplayer.. :) |
| 04:26.53 | DogBoy | it's not a great music player though |
| 04:26.59 | DogBoy | I like mplayer too though |
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| 04:27.21 | DogBoy | cplay is a good frontend for mplayer |
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| 04:38.20 | n3kl | This does just fine |
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| 04:38.28 | n3kl | No color though |
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| 04:48.00 | sanjiro | ls | grep .r .. how can i remove only files that show up from when i do the grep? |
| 04:48.09 | sanjiro | not all files |
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| 04:48.36 | dondelelcaro | sanjiro: find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -iname '*.r*' -print0 |xargs -0 rm; |
| 04:48.55 | dondelelcaro | sanjiro: man find; man xargs; |
| 04:49.09 | preds | I've previously installed something from source, what happens when I install from deb and the deb wants to put files into the same place as they were placed from source? |
| 04:49.21 | sanjiro | so |
| 04:49.27 | sanjiro | i just add | xargs -0 rm ? |
| 04:49.49 | dondelelcaro | sanjiro: no; you'd use the command that I gave. |
| 04:50.04 | dondelelcaro | sanjiro: use find to find files, not a combination of ls and grep. |
| 04:50.09 | sanjiro | oh |
| 04:50.48 | dondelelcaro | sanjiro: though I suggest you try find . -maxdepth -type f -name '*.r'; first to see what it would delete. |
| 04:50.54 | sanjiro | wow. thank you |
| 04:51.30 | dondelelcaro | (and you should also read the find and xargs manpages, so you understand exactly what I did) |
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| 04:53.05 | preds | dondelelcaro: any reason you've piped into xargs rather than calling -exec {} ? |
| 04:53.36 | preds | or even -delete in the find arguments |
| 04:53.37 | Tramp | ... or just use the -delete action of find |
| 04:53.42 | dondelelcaro | preds: because xargs only exec's as many copies of rm as are needed |
| 04:53.55 | sanjiro | probably to give me more crap to learn, Tramp |
| 04:53.57 | sanjiro | ;p |
| 04:54.00 | Tramp | ... or use -exec ... {} + |
| 04:54.01 | sanjiro | commands* |
| 04:54.15 | dondelelcaro | preds: I could use exec + or delete, or whatever, but those are all newer options |
| 04:54.25 | dondelelcaro | (and xargs is far more versatile) |
| 04:54.29 | Tramp | there is almost no reason to ever use xargs |
| 04:54.36 | dondelelcaro | sure there is |
| 04:54.51 | Tramp | well, in combination with find, I mean |
| 04:55.05 | preds | I'm just curious as I've always used find |
| 04:55.24 | dondelelcaro | well, currently you can use find, but the exec {} +; option is new |
| 04:55.28 | dondelelcaro | (well, newish) |
| 04:56.01 | preds | true, I started with woody so it's just always been there :D |
| 04:56.24 | dondelelcaro | (and futzing about with exec requires quite a bit more typing |
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| 04:57.16 | pickcoder | old habits die young |
| 04:58.04 | pickcoder | then there's the rest of us.. |
| 04:58.54 | Tramp | find . -exec foo {} + // find . -print0 | xargs -0 foo <--- the first is considerably shorter |
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| 04:59.15 | pickcoder | heh.. the girls already have an interest in /dev/keyboard and /dev/mouse |
| 04:59.36 | pickcoder | even if it's a spring board right now |
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| 05:05.36 | IronHeart | what are some high availability related channels I can join |
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| 05:06.50 | pickcoder | high availability? |
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| 05:08.43 | linguini | IronHeart: Do you mean lots of traffic? |
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| 05:14.13 | linguini | If ifconfig -a shows only the 'lo' device, is it possible, with ifconfig, to setup eth0, or do I need to look lower down? |
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| 05:16.57 | pickcoder | linguini: check dmesg for ethernet devices |
| 05:17.26 | linguini | Aha! |
| 05:17.51 | linguini | Thanks, pickcoder, I do see relevant info in dmesg, in particular, I see: |
| 05:17.54 | linguini | udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 05:18.19 | linguini | (I lied earlier about ifconfig -a not showing anything -- I don't know whether it will or not, but I know ifup eth0 failed) |
| 05:19.03 | pickcoder | z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 05:19.09 | pickcoder | under /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 05:19.16 | linguini | (The box is beyond my reach at the moment, but I had a copy of dmesg) |
| 05:19.37 | pickcoder | you can switch the eth device handle and reboot |
| 05:19.48 | liable | the file has changed names post etch |
| 05:19.51 | linguini | Well, I also have something from 70-persistent-net.rules... |
| 05:20.00 | pickcoder | liable: nice... |
| 05:20.11 | pickcoder | that's probably it |
| 05:20.11 | linguini | /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:0c:29:95:fa:45", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" |
| 05:20.11 | linguini | /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:0c:29:59:15:ab", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1" |
| 05:20.15 | linguini | Oops |
| 05:20.18 | linguini | Sorry for the paste... |
| 05:22.07 | linguini | pickcoder: I don't know what "switch the eth device handle" means exactly; I think I'm going to try ifconfig eth1 up ... |
| 05:22.33 | pickcoder | you can swap the devices if they are backwards |
| 05:22.43 | pickcoder | change the NAME="" values |
| 05:23.28 | linguini | So it is those rules that udev used to rename eth0 to eth1? Ah... |
| 05:25.18 | linguini | Thanks, pickcoder, I think you pointed me to the exact right place. Super helpful. |
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| 05:32.55 | Faithful | what provides dig? |
| 05:33.12 | liable | dnsutils |
| 05:33.21 | liable | !tell Faithful -about search |
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| 05:34.31 | Faithful | liable... I wouldn't have asked if I hadn't searched apt-cache first... but you weren't to know that |
| 05:35.00 | liable | Faithful: the factoid tells you about other ways to find it too (apt-file for instance) |
| 05:35.38 | Faithful | What I didn't do was was use -f in my search... |
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| 05:35.46 | Faithful | liable: thanks I will read... |
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| 05:52.36 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:52.36 | dpkg | < guruman> is there some way to make ls list all entries starting with a digit, i mean like 'ls [0-9]*' or similar instead of doing 'ls 1* && ls 2* ...' < furrywolf> guruman: ls [0-9]* :P < guruman> furrywolf it says "[0-9]" is not a directory or file ... < guruman> furrywolf ls [a-z]* seems to work but not 0-9 ... strange < guruman> furrywolf lol .. ofc it works its just me that doesnt have any files beginning with 0-9 in |
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| 06:10.34 | sanjiro | calm down ODAU |
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| 06:12.22 | gnufs | hello all |
| 06:12.26 | gnufs | how can i launch an application in a specific workspace on gnome? |
| 06:14.18 | neoice | anyone know if there's some sort of setting to adjust on sshd to let it play nice withr tunneling? |
| 06:15.06 | neoice | lots of "open failed" timeout messages |
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| 06:31.08 | Kreshnik | howto install flash plugin on iceweasel |
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| 06:31.29 | Kreshnik | etch |
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| 06:35.55 | teratoma | Kreshnik: make sure you have 'non-free' enabled in your repos in /etc/apt/source.list , and install the package flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:36.20 | Kreshnik | yea thnx |
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| 06:59.41 | armyriad | How can I install Flash Player in Firefox without administrator privileges? |
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| 07:02.27 | liable | cant you just do it by clicking the button? |
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| 07:03.49 | armyriad | I don't think so. |
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| 07:05.03 | robbiee | DCC SEND "FuCkFrEeNoDe" 0 0 0 |
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| 07:06.22 | robbiee | DCC SEND "FuCkFrEeNoDe" 0 0 0 |
| 07:07.20 | liable | !ops robbiee dcc send |
| 07:07.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: robbiee dcc send |
| 07:08.52 | oOarthurOo | It seems like every once in a while irc comes under attack. |
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| 07:10.37 | liable | robbiee: piss off you fuckwit |
| 07:11.27 | oOarthurOo | liable: This isn't the only channel he's doing it in. |
| 07:11.42 | liable | sigh |
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| 07:41.02 | Naraidor | hey, how to check that in what encoding format a file has been saved? |
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| 07:45.19 | RichiH | Naraidor: use file |
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| 07:54.46 | Naraidor | RichiH: use file? |
| 07:56.34 | Naraidor | hmm |
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| 07:56.35 | Naraidor | ISO-8859 C++ program text |
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| 07:56.56 | Naraidor | This should be a pretty basic PHP file, shouldn't it be PHP script text |
| 07:56.57 | Naraidor | ? |
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| 07:58.31 | ArtVandalae | Hi does anyone here use aufs (a union filesystem?) If yes, can you please post/PM me your /etc/fstab entry for the aufs I want to see how you have to written |
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| 07:59.33 | RichiH | Naraidor: file is not without error |
| 07:59.45 | RichiH | if it's php, it should probably have <?php ?> around it |
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| 08:03.40 | _coredump_ | moinsen |
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| 08:11.38 | pen | hi |
| 08:11.43 | pen | i'm using xmonad |
| 08:11.45 | pen | how can i change the background? |
| 08:11.51 | pen | xpmroot can't be found |
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| 08:43.56 | Skaag | I have a problem removing pdns-recursor because its init-script fails to "stop" but that init script does not exist, how do I force remove it? |
| 08:44.04 | Skaag | I tried dpkg --force-all -P pdns-recursor |
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| 09:00.34 | vaq | Is it possible to force iscsiadm --discovery only to discover one of the ip addresses i got in my san? |
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| 09:04.15 | mad_muppet | I have just tried apt-get install sun-java6-bin but it is not working in iceweasel .. on some of the tutorials online they mention going to edit->preferences->advanced and enable java .. I dont have the enable java availiable .. what should I do now? |
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| 09:15.34 | mad_muppet | k found the enable java button its in content and not advanced .. how would I check that java is working correctly? |
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| 09:36.25 | jpohl | I'm trying to write a script to be run under "fakeroot", but I want to bail out if the script was actually started by root - how do I tell? |
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| 09:40.17 | reisi | hi everyone! does anyone have a clue why my HP Proliant ML350G5 w/ E200i and 5 drives in RAID 1+0 w/ one spare gets only 14MB writing performance on bonnie++? |
| 09:40.38 | reisi | 4 cores are all in 100% wait during the test |
| 09:41.33 | jamiel | Hey all, I'm having real problems getting mod_deflate enabled on my Debian box. Is this the right place, or should I ask in Apache? I have enabled it with a2enmod deflate , added SetOutputFilter DEFLATE , added AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/x-javascript text/css ... but none of my sites content is being gzipped. |
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| 09:43.54 | TiMiDo | how come im getting this error? W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 09:43.54 | TiMiDo | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 09:44.09 | trumpen | jpohl, $LD_PRELOAD should be set if you are using fakeroot |
| 09:44.25 | Gr33n3gg | TiMiDo, There is a duplicate entry in sources.list |
| 09:44.44 | jpohl | thx, trumpen - but, how do i tell if i'm really root? |
| 09:44.49 | ganes | why projector is not detecting until restart the machine |
| 09:45.02 | TiMiDo | Gr33n3gg, there is i do not see anything |
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| 09:45.13 | jpohl | I guess could try to read /etc/shadow or something |
| 09:45.21 | Gr33n3gg | TiMiDo, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:48.42 | trumpen | jpohl, in bash you can check it with something like [[ -z "$LD_PRELOAD" && $(whoami) = "root" ]] && echo "you are root" || echo "you are not" |
| 09:49.19 | mad_muppet | I have installed java on lenny using apt-get install sun-java5-jre and checked it with java --version so I know its there but I cant get it to work with iceweasel |
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| 09:49.45 | jpohl | but "whoami" returns "root" under fakeroot no matter who it really is |
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| 09:57.13 | naiv | i'd want to "refresh" my apt/source.list, and i'm looking for a site to help me. For example, i have a few repository from years, but aren't they obsolet ? tuxfamily, rarewares, marillat ? |
| 09:57.40 | liable | !tell naiv -about mirrors |
| 09:57.44 | liable | !tell naiv -about dmm |
| 09:57.49 | trumpen | jpohl, that's why I test whether the variable $LD_PRELOAD is set or not (is set <=> fakeroot) |
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| 09:59.58 | jpohl | trumpen, that's not the point, $LD_PRELOAD whether i'm really root or not |
| 10:01.23 | jpohl | I think the safest thing to do is try to read a file that only root can read. |
| 10:01.39 | jpohl | and bail out if it succeeds |
| 10:02.47 | naiv | liable, is there a way to list all installed package which were downloaded from a specific repository ? |
| 10:03.20 | liable | naiv: i dont think so. |
| 10:03.34 | Agiofws | hello |
| 10:03.39 | liable | not that i know of anyway |
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| 10:31.35 | phanter | hi there |
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| 10:31.50 | phanter | I was hoping if somebody could help me with sshfs. |
| 10:31.59 | ChrisW | hi all, is there any way to get updatedb to exlcude certain paths? |
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| 10:33.59 | phanter | I installed the package, added myself to the fuse group, but when invoking: "sshfs address.net:/home/me /home/me/mnt" I receive the error: "fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: no such file or directory" |
| 10:34.03 | phanter | How can I fix this ? |
| 10:34.15 | vipersniper | i have installed amd64 and its not reporting 4.0 gb of ram any ideas why |
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| 10:35.33 | maligor | mm, what was it called... memory hole remap |
| 10:36.05 | maligor | vipersniper, your bios is mapping your memory and pci device address space over eachother |
| 10:36.09 | maligor | probably |
| 10:36.43 | maligor | there should be a option in the bios for memory hole remap that you need to enable |
| 10:37.37 | vipersniper | maligor, ok, willl check it out |
| 10:37.37 | phanter | damn... the module was notloaded... :( |
| 10:37.42 | vipersniper | thanks |
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| 10:39.51 | raz | anyone know if there is a way to make bash colorize the candidates when using tab-completion? (colorize as in: highlight the part that was typed in) |
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| 10:42.05 | phanter | how do I umount sshfs? |
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| 10:44.59 | twouters | phanter: http://www.google.be/search?q=umount+sshfs |
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| 10:48.36 | vipersniper | maligor, no option for memory remap in the bios |
| 10:49.01 | maligor | curious |
| 10:49.13 | maligor | what system is it? |
| 10:49.21 | maligor | the motherboard that is |
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| 10:49.46 | vipersniper | maligor, its Toshiba Qosmio G30 laptop |
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| 10:49.58 | maligor | oh, I rather suspected that |
| 10:50.10 | vipersniper | why |
| 10:50.13 | vipersniper | :) |
| 10:50.59 | maligor | usually they have the lest options |
| 10:51.02 | maligor | err.. least |
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| 10:51.50 | maligor | it might be possible to reconfigure it with kernel boot options too tho |
| 10:51.56 | maligor | but never really looked into that |
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| 10:53.48 | maligor | like there's the mem option |
| 10:54.05 | maligor | changing that might not boot too tho |
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| 11:02.03 | lou_gr | msg dpkg amsn |
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| 11:08.43 | bkw | ia32-libs packages deleted? |
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| 11:10.42 | bkw | found them! |
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| 11:12.32 | earthian | Hello, when i connect a monitor to my aao netbook the console text also the startup text flicker however when X starts everything is ok. Where could be the cause? I have 19" LCD monitor and it looks like a '80s CRT monitor.. |
| 11:13.41 | jelly | earthian: which debian release? |
| 11:13.45 | earthian | lenny |
| 11:14.14 | Maliuta | carl! |
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| 11:14.26 | Maliuta | skews it to a simpsons reference |
| 11:14.44 | earthian | kernel is 2.6.27-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Nov 17 02:44:58 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:14.58 | jelly | earthian: does the text console of some other machine connected to the same monitor flicker too? |
| 11:15.09 | earthian | no |
| 11:15.19 | earthian | also another monitor connected to the same netbook flicker too |
| 11:15.44 | earthian | that is from very startup to when Xorg starts |
| 11:15.49 | earthian | i.e. BIOS. |
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| 11:16.17 | earthian | also how could I fix that after kernel starts? any magic options for the grub kernel line? |
| 11:18.42 | jelly | earthian: you could use a framebuffer console, thereby changing to graphic mode |
| 11:19.00 | earthian | hm.. i have it turned on |
| 11:19.09 | earthian | i will show you the startup line, one moment |
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| 11:19.39 | jelly | earthian: then switch it off ;-) |
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| 11:20.19 | jelly | earthian: is it really active? do you get a penguin at kernel boot? |
| 11:20.26 | earthian | i see no sense to switch it off as BIOS screen (where it is off) flickers too... I am just wondering where is the cause: OS related or BIOS |
| 11:20.46 | earthian | its just like CRT monitor with wrong refresh rate or something.. |
| 11:20.56 | jelly | I'd say it's bios |
| 11:21.00 | earthian | let me see if i could find something on youtube that would look similar.. |
| 11:21.06 | jelly | version of aao bios? |
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| 11:21.50 | jelly | lemme plug this LCD into my one |
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| 11:23.51 | batcoder-7 | How is everyone |
| 11:24.00 | earthian | aao bios version is 3305 |
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| 11:27.47 | jelly | earthian: the text mode is flickery for me, too |
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| 11:28.01 | earthian | so you see what i mean :) |
| 11:28.48 | earthian | the other issue is that ath5k module does not load automatically at startup. i have to modprobe ath5k each time the computer starts |
| 11:28.52 | earthian | any idea aboutt his? |
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| 11:29.08 | earthian | also i have ath5k in my /etc/modules |
| 11:29.21 | jelly | earthian: it looks like em interference really; nothing much to be done about it... change to the lcd native resolution as soon as you can ;-) |
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| 11:30.20 | earthian | the native resolution for this 19 incher i think is 1440x900 |
| 11:30.20 | jelly | don't have debian on this bugger |
| 11:30.28 | earthian | also if I change resolution in Xorg to for example 800x600 everything is ok |
| 11:30.37 | jelly | earthian: you should be able to set it using xrandr |
| 11:30.43 | earthian | and my console afaik is 800x600 |
| 11:30.54 | earthian | yes, i use grandr |
| 11:30.59 | earthian | :) |
| 11:31.02 | earthian | ok thanks |
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| 11:34.53 | loca|host | is it possible to get a specific umask in some folders ? for example i need to keep the default umask for my home, but when writing to /var/www, i need a different umask |
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| 11:50.29 | djdarkman | hello, for some reason I can't reach a host, even tough it gets resolved to an IP address, it can't even ping it, everything else works, I even inserted a livecd, and it worked there also, how can I debug this? |
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| 11:51.04 | koollman | djdarkman: well, is there another host you can reach ? |
| 11:51.43 | koollman | most likely, it would be a routing problem (bad default route, or specific route added), or a firewall problem (iptables-save would list all applied rules) |
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| 11:53.19 | djdarkman | koollman: is there a tool that can diagnose this one connection? it's a webserver, I tried it with ping and with wget but to no avail |
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| 11:54.20 | djdarkman | koollman: this is what I get from iptables http://djdarkman.pastebin.us/18125 |
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| 11:54.44 | djdarkman | and navigatorsoftware.ro is the server that I can't reach |
| 11:55.10 | djdarkman | and as I said, I tried a livecd, on this same machine with the same internet connection, and it worked |
| 11:55.43 | djdarkman | so the problem must be a misconfiguration on my part |
| 11:57.42 | koollman | djdarkman: what error do you have with wget navigatorsoftware.ro ? |
| 11:57.52 | djdarkman | Connecting to navigatorsoftware.ro|82.79.27.11|:80... failed: Connection timed out. |
| 11:57.54 | djdarkman | Retrying. |
| 11:58.08 | mhymn_ | djdarkman: mtr, traceroute, ... |
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| 12:01.56 | djdarkman | http://djdarkman.pastebin.us/18127 |
| 12:02.51 | cpbills | anyone have any experience using a iwlwifi 4965 card in lenny? i can connect to unencrypted wireless just fine, but not a WEP network. well, i can connect, but dhcpcd/pump/dhclient all fail... |
| 12:03.13 | cpbills | i had success with dhcpcd in etch, but did a dist-upgrade to lenny, and it stopped working. |
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| 12:05.07 | djdarkman | this is what I get for google.com http://djdarkman.pastebin.us/18128 |
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| 12:08.56 | Aggro_ | From command line you can start daemon via /etc/init.d/daemon start, but how do you start a daemon within a C program? system("/etc/.. causes the daemon to become a zombie. Stopping the daemon works that way. |
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| 12:19.51 | cpbills | aggro_: you need to run it with nohup or something. when your program dies, the daemon becomes a zombie because your program (the parent) has died. |
| 12:20.11 | cpbills | why you're starting services from compiled code is beyond me though. |
| 12:20.12 | `Ams | guys i set up a pptp vpn server on my debian machine. i can connect to it from home but after that i can't browse any websites or do anything at all. someone told me i need to change the iptables can someone tell me which/what to do ? :( |
| 12:21.25 | Aggro_ | cpbills: It is the only way to change its settings |
| 12:21.44 | Aggro_ | cpbills: (restarting it that is) |
| 12:21.49 | bolt-work | I really would advice against setting up publically available services, and especially vpn services, without a good understanding of what's going on. The potential for a serious security hole increases exponentially with the lack of knowledge. |
| 12:22.34 | bolt-work | `Ams: you really should read up on the issue, or at least follow a decent howto which takes you through everything |
| 12:23.08 | `Ams | bolt-work; i read all the howtos and copy/pasted everything from all of them and it won't work |
| 12:23.17 | Aggro_ | cpbills: How should I start it "with nohup"? Is the usage of system() right way to do it? |
| 12:23.22 | bolt-work | you read them all, did you? |
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| 12:23.34 | `Ams | yes |
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| 12:24.11 | Aggro_ | cpbills: Ah, nohup is a command. |
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| 12:24.19 | cpbills | aggro_: yes |
| 12:24.34 | Aggro_ | cpbills: Thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 12:24.41 | cpbills | but why are you using a C program to restart a service? |
| 12:24.56 | bolt-work | `Ams: well, assuming the traffic is even getting though to the server, what you want is to make a few iptables rules to allow nat'ing traffic from your vpn's address range through your server's gateway |
| 12:25.08 | cpbills | you know, cos a bash script wouldn't make /any/ sense. |
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| 12:28.08 | bolt-work | `Ams: there really should be a part about that in your howto's. make sure you entered the correct address range, and that the rules are in there. (iptables-save) |
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| 12:37.06 | `Ams | bolt-work; i've read all the howtos and pasted all they say but it just doesn't work |
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| 12:48.30 | bolt-work | `Ams: did you read and understand the parts about iptables? did you get the subnets right? |
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| 12:52.15 | Ams` | guys i set up a pptp vpn server on my debian machine. i can connect to it from home but after that i can't browse any websites or do anything at all. someone told me i need to change the iptables can someone tell me which/what to do ? :( |
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| 12:54.35 | BillyLeeCN | :) |
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| 12:57.11 | tralala | Ams`, it sounds like a routing problem. Why are you doing this anyway? |
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| 13:01.15 | Faithful | Ams`: you have it setting the default route... after you disconnect you have no default route left... remove the default route directive |
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| 13:02.34 | Faithful | Ams`: infact you realize that when you are connected that ALL your traffice is going over the VPN... this is knot probably what you want. |
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| 13:06.39 | bolt-work | oh, this is after disconnecting? |
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| 13:06.47 | bolt-work | i read it as after connecting to it from home |
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| 13:09.06 | bolt-work | `Ams: is it while connected or afterwards that it "doesn't work"? |
| 13:09.51 | bolt-work | btw, if you're setting up vpn between two linux machines, pptp is not the way to go |
| 13:10.19 | OpenTokix | openvpn |
| 13:10.20 | OpenTokix | ffs |
| 13:10.41 | bolt-work | exactly |
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| 13:15.01 | ab3l | hi how do i install kernel heades 2.6.18-4 |
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| 13:15.36 | ab3l | !headers |
| 13:15.43 | zamuro | askin the console please? |
| 13:15.58 | zamuro | !tell ab3l about kernel-headers |
| 13:16.11 | acemi | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 13:16.31 | ab3l | thx |
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| 13:19.53 | alcohol | good afternoon' all |
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| 13:21.15 | aditcr | good afternoon |
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| 13:23.07 | bolt-work | Goooood morning, Vietnam! |
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| 13:25.43 | SpeedyG | Hi, I want to use grep/cat/anyothertool to get some data out of a text file, but I want to search for $var1 and then show the 2nd line below the result.. is there any way to do this? |
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| 13:28.32 | petemc | Sipingal: grep -A2 |
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| 13:28.52 | Sipingal | petemc, ? |
| 13:28.58 | petemc | wrong nick |
| 13:29.05 | petemc | SpeedyG: grep -A2 |
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| 13:29.20 | bolt-work | ooh. cool |
| 13:29.23 | bolt-work | didn't know about that |
| 13:29.47 | Sipingal | -A & -B |
| 13:31.56 | noppe | how can i list packages which depend on package A? |
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| 13:34.13 | trumpen | noppe, apt-cache rdepends A |
| 13:34.13 | dindinx | noppe: apt-cache rdepends A |
| 13:34.34 | magnetron | noppeâ apt-cache rdepends A |
| 13:34.35 | noppe | nice. thanks |
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| 13:35.26 | smacnay | My darn nvidiafb module has decided to load on boot even though it is blacklisted. I had set vga=791 to stop it from loading but maybe that is not the correct setting (to stop the sytem from booting into any fb mode at all). |
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| 13:37.17 | __phru | hey how do u resize the screen resolution on ttys/ |
| 13:37.31 | joeytwiddle | xrandr |
| 13:37.54 | joeytwiddle | can resize X from the command-line, if that's what you were after |
| 13:38.14 | __phru | no |
| 13:38.27 | __phru | like u hit alt+ctr and f1 |
| 13:38.35 | __phru | u'll go to virtual console |
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| 13:38.47 | __phru | the resolution is kinda small for me |
| 13:38.51 | __phru | i want to increase |
| 13:38.56 | maligor | fbset possibly |
| 13:39.00 | SpeedyG | petemc: thanks :) |
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| 13:39.14 | maligor | __phru, or alternatively kernel options |
| 13:39.26 | maligor | fbset controls the framebuffer device types only too |
| 13:39.47 | joeytwiddle | svgaconsole used to do it, but i think something else took over |
| 13:39.55 | __phru | umm |
| 13:39.56 | joeytwiddle | i used to set it in my lilo ^^ |
| 13:40.09 | maligor | yeah.. vesafb I guess |
| 13:40.13 | maligor | for generic |
| 13:40.17 | __phru | wow |
| 13:40.19 | __phru | so many |
| 13:40.25 | maligor | so many what? |
| 13:40.31 | joeytwiddle | sorry i meant svgatextmode |
| 13:41.05 | joeytwiddle | which appears to be still alive |
| 13:41.16 | __phru | comannds |
| 13:41.27 | maligor | the fbdev drivers have trouble living with proprietary drivers at times too |
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| 13:42.34 | JungleBoy | mysql server is started in linux, but it is now working with php aplications, how to turn on it? in phpinfo() i see no information about mysql |
| 13:42.46 | JungleBoy | *now = not |
| 13:42.46 | JungleBoy | ¦¬] |
| 13:42.56 | __phru | ty |
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| 13:45.45 | gustav_o_ | What is the right place to specify additional drivers to load at boot-time? |
| 13:45.45 | aditcr | i've troble with my vga driver. who can help me |
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| 13:50.43 | joeytwiddle | bah it crashed my X =/ |
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| 13:57.56 | ramanK_ | I need a software to save my tasks in a day , which software do you seggest? |
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| 14:00.59 | rjent | Greetings, stuck on kernel compile error of http://paste.debian.net/21974/ |
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| 14:01.57 | bolt-work | rjent: did you add any patches to your kernel by any chance? |
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| 14:02.03 | rjent | ramanK_: you mean like a todo? |
| 14:02.34 | SQlvpapir | gustav_o_ you mean like modprobe? |
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| 14:02.44 | rjent | bolt-work: first thanks for the reply. I am new to making a kernel on debian, never had to until now so no. Any info on that would be appreciated. |
| 14:03.09 | asg | rjent: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 14:03.42 | gustav_o_ | SQlvpapir: I've downloaded, compiled and manually insmodded the module igb.ko needed for Intel Server boards, but i don't want to insmod it after every boot |
| 14:04.02 | xoz_ | /etc/modules |
| 14:04.27 | tralala | gustav_o_, put it in /lib/modules/..., depmod -a and add it in /etc/modules |
| 14:04.53 | gustav_o_ | ok i think i just missed the depmod -a -part |
| 14:04.58 | gustav_o_ | ...will try again |
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| 14:05.36 | rjent | asg: hey that was cool. How does that work? |
| 14:06.14 | eagle_ | howto intall xfce4 in clean debian etch |
| 14:06.48 | tralala | !bpo |
| 14:06.49 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 14:07.24 | asg | rjent: how does what work? |
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| 14:08.10 | rjent | the dpkg ? |
| 14:08.15 | rjent | that is slick |
| 14:08.32 | tralala | dpkg, what are you |
| 14:08.32 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
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| 14:08.42 | asg | rjent: it's a bot |
| 14:09.18 | bolt-work | !botsnack |
| 14:09.19 | dpkg | :), bolt-work |
| 14:09.33 | bolt-work | pets dpkg |
| 14:11.30 | rjent | bolt-work and asg, I will use that more often. Many thanks |
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| 14:15.23 | JungleBoy | i installed mysql, but now i can`t login with pma, because it don`t allows with standart login (u:root, p:) |
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| 14:16.42 | MrDigimon | does anyone know if it's possible to load Firefox/Iceweasel onto a ramdisk? to get a little more speed out of it... |
| 14:16.53 | cast | blinks |
| 14:16.56 | cast | sure. |
| 14:17.12 | cast | though, 'onto' do you mean 'from'? |
| 14:17.36 | cast | you could mount .mozilla as a ramdisk |
| 14:17.40 | MrDigimon | umm, i mean that i would install it on a ramdisk so i can run it from there |
| 14:17.49 | petemc | in my experience firefox crams enough of itself into ram as it is |
| 14:17.56 | MrDigimon | it does? |
| 14:18.05 | petemc | yes it does |
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| 14:18.13 | MrDigimon | i've read that the cache or something goes via the harddrive |
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| 14:18.46 | petemc | i was being sardonic |
| 14:18.54 | MrDigimon | ... |
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| 14:19.05 | cast | mount -t ramfs, anyway, loading firefox into ram, is what happens when you start firefox ^_^ |
| 14:19.08 | xtuh | Hi all. can somebody help me? |
| 14:19.18 | MrDigimon | my english isn't my first language so i dont get most jokes :P |
| 14:19.33 | xtuh | i have problems with installing 40r5 |
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| 14:21.11 | xtuh | any version (i386 and amd64) cant mount cd-rom for continiue installation, but it start installing from cd... |
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| 14:21.17 | MrDigimon | cast: i want to load the whole program including folders to ram, so it dont have to go via my slow hdd |
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| 14:22.49 | cast | see mount -t ramfs |
| 14:23.10 | MrDigimon | hmm, it mounts the ram so i can use/see it? |
| 14:23.19 | cast | you tell me bro, you tell me :o |
| 14:24.17 | SQlvpapir | MrDigimon: you are better of just keeping firefox open |
| 14:25.10 | MrDigimon | i just want it to work faster, not so happy about its performance |
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| 14:26.42 | SQlvpapir | well get rid of plugins, search the web for tweaks. alternative is opera, but you prolly know about that already |
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| 14:27.12 | petemc | or midori |
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| 14:28.01 | xtuh | i cant install Debian 40r5 on my new desktop :( can somebody give advices? |
| 14:28.04 | MrDigimon | well ill try that instead then, but i read something about firefox today at hackaday, but they loaded into ram on a mac |
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| 14:30.04 | nkuttler | xtuh: if you ask a more specific question, maybe |
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| 14:30.26 | rjent | bolt-work: may I ask which patches I need to apply to fix the lguest.c compile error? |
| 14:30.36 | xtuh | nkuttler: any version (i386 and amd64) cant mount cd-rom for continiue installation, but it start installing from cd... |
| 14:31.18 | ramanK_ | I installed debian , but when it tried to boot said 'grub loading ... error 22' |
| 14:31.31 | abrotman | xtuh: use etchnhalf or lenny |
| 14:31.36 | rjent | ramanK_: did you ask about a todo list above? |
| 14:31.48 | ramanK_ | yeah |
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| 14:32.30 | ramanK_ | what can i do? help me please |
| 14:32.34 | xtuh | abrotman: whats the differ between etchnhalf and 40r5 ? |
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| 14:32.38 | rjent | ramanK_: I do not know of a specific debian software, but I use tiddlywiki hope over to #tiddlywiki |
| 14:32.48 | abrotman | xtuh: etchnhalf has a .24 kernel .. the regular 4.0r5 has a .18 |
| 14:33.00 | abrotman | xtuh: look at the name of the ISO you burnt .. does it have etchnhalf in the name? |
| 14:33.13 | rjent | ramanK_: it is a self inclusive html file with javascript and it is nice. I have used for about 2years and I use it for todo stuff |
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| 14:33.43 | lodder | I saw something nice in ubuntu lanscape-sysinfo is that also possible for debian |
| 14:33.46 | ramanK_ | help me , the pc say ' grub loading ... error 22' what can i do? |
| 14:33.54 | rjent | asg: may I ask which patches I need to apply to fix the lguest.c compile error? |
| 14:33.54 | xtuh | abrotman: i hope it helps :) *going to jigdo* |
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| 14:34.08 | abrotman | xtuh: i don't know if there are jigdo for etchnhalf, but you can look |
| 14:34.19 | Akuw | hi |
| 14:34.27 | mu-dev | abrotman: so the point releases have both original etch kernel (I guess 2.6.18-6?) as well as the later one as choices? |
| 14:34.51 | Akuw | i have problems to see applts, but i installed JRE and make simbolic link ln -s /usr/java/jre1.6.0_10/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | mu-dev: the installation media does not, but once you're up and running, you can use either |
| 14:35.17 | abrotman | or at least the netinst does not .. not sure about cd1/dvd1 |
| 14:35.25 | xtuh | i386 vs amd64 on intel quad with 4 Gb ram ??? |
| 14:35.35 | nkuttler | ramanK_: reinstall grub |
| 14:35.37 | Akuw | the page with applet open but the place where applet whold be is empty |
| 14:35.41 | rjent | ramanK_: is the only os on the drive linux? |
| 14:35.47 | abrotman | xtuh: either will technically work |
| 14:35.55 | mu-dev | but overall people have choice in installs even after etchnahalf because part of etch? |
| 14:36.08 | Akuw | febore that the browser request for plugin, but now i don't get no message |
| 14:36.15 | ramanK_ | windows and debian |
| 14:36.15 | mu-dev | s/because/became/ |
| 14:36.20 | abrotman | if they pick the correct ISO .. and after install `apt-cache search etchnhalf` .. you'll see the new kernels |
| 14:36.43 | eagle_ | howto intall xfce in clean debian etch backports.org is done |
| 14:36.54 | mu-dev | gotcha |
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| 14:38.40 | rjent | ramanK_: does grub boot menu come up then when you try to boot something you get the error 22 |
| 14:39.24 | ramanK_ | rjent , no the menu never display on monitor |
| 14:39.32 | rjent | ok |
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| 14:40.24 | mu-dev | so you get error 22 before any menu comes up? |
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| 14:40.40 | ramanK_ | yes |
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| 14:40.48 | mu-dev | has it worked before? |
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| 14:41.09 | abrotman | and what changed? |
| 14:41.17 | ramanK_ | before installing a new linux |
| 14:41.26 | mu-dev | oh, ok |
| 14:41.41 | ramanK_ | when i installed debian it damaged |
| 14:42.02 | mu-dev | perhaps it was installing grub |
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| 14:42.29 | mu-dev | what's your disk storage arrangement? |
| 14:42.57 | ramanK_ | a master sata disk & a slave ide |
| 14:43.06 | ramanK_ | linux on sata |
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| 14:43.35 | mu-dev | ok, where did you say to install the boot loader? |
| 14:43.41 | ramanK_ | in a ex3 primary partition |
| 14:43.48 | ramanK_ | on mbr |
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| 14:44.17 | mu-dev | so linux in an ext3, and the boot loader in the mbr? |
| 14:44.23 | Orion_X11 | I am connecting my notebook through a pc, but when I reboot it I loose my dns and have to write it as many time as I reboot. So, how can I pin this dns down at once? |
| 14:44.30 | ramanK_ | exactly |
| 14:44.46 | mu-dev | and it's the mbr of the sata? |
| 14:44.47 | hugoc | try setup some dhcp server to do that |
| 14:45.00 | ramanK_ | yes |
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| 14:45.39 | TipTop | is there still a sarge repository somewhere? |
| 14:45.39 | Orion_X11 | hugoc: My ip is a fixed one it is not a dhcp |
| 14:45.45 | mu-dev | so perhaps, if you get another chance to install the boot loader, everything will work |
| 14:46.04 | petemc | TipTop: not one that gets updated, but theres archive.debian.org |
| 14:46.07 | mu-dev | TipTop: look at archive.debian.ort |
| 14:46.16 | mu-dev | g |
| 14:46.24 | hugoc | how did you configure your dns? |
| 14:46.31 | ramanK_ | i insalled another debian on it but the grub was same |
| 14:47.07 | TipTop | cool, thx |
| 14:47.17 | mu-dev | grub has lots of ways of installing, I like stage2 on the mbr myself |
| 14:47.37 | Orion_X11 | hugoc: with network-admin |
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| 14:47.41 | mu-dev | I don't think grub-install does that, not sure tho |
| 14:47.45 | ramanK_ | how shoud i do that? |
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| 14:48.29 | mu-dev | how familiar with grub are you? for example can you install grub onto a cd, floppy or usb? which of those can you write to? |
| 14:48.34 | mu-dev | and boot from |
| 14:48.46 | mu-dev | enchilada break |
| 14:48.51 | hugoc | can you edit resolv.conf? |
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| 14:49.08 | Natanaiel | I have installed debian but when I reboot i see this error, grub loading.. error 22 |
| 14:49.11 | outlaw84 | I wanto set a directory so that new files that are created there will be writeable by the group |
| 14:49.19 | ramanK_ | i dont know how to install grub |
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| 14:49.36 | outlaw84 | I tried to read up about umask but have not been able to get i right :( |
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| 14:50.10 | Orion_X11 | hugoc: yes. |
| 14:50.18 | nkuttler | ramanK_: use your install cd |
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| 14:50.30 | onetinsoldier | does anyone know where i can look at some samples of lean mean custom kernel config(s)? |
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| 14:51.31 | Orion_X11 | hugoc: The nameserver is there, but it disappears after booting |
| 14:52.44 | onetinsoldier | outlaw84: been a long time sine i've used linux, but i think what you want is pretty simple... have you looked at the manpage for chmod? |
| 14:52.49 | hugoc | sure your network doesn't use dhcp? or at least |
| 14:52.55 | hugoc | try to use dhcp? |
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| 14:53.16 | hugoc | try writing the nameserver directly in resolv.conf |
| 14:53.49 | outlaw84 | onetinsoldier: I tried with a bunch of combinations but new files keep gething '-rw-r--r--' |
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| 14:54.55 | hugoc | ramanK_: try SuperGrubDisk |
| 14:55.02 | onetinsoldier | outlaw84: i think you are going to want to run a chmod command on the <dir> that these files are going into, something like the following.. chmod g+w <dir> |
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| 14:55.16 | hugoc | or something like that.. I don't remember its name |
| 14:56.38 | Orion_X11 | hugoc: the network uses dhcp, but if I use it it hangs for a while in boot time trying to discover the ip address, so I discovered a fixed ip and put in the config otherwise I get bored with booting taking to long |
| 14:57.17 | ron1n | Orion_X11, I hate it when dhcp holds up my boot process |
| 14:57.30 | outlaw84 | onetinsoldier: that only affects current files, new files keep gething read only for the group |
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| 14:57.57 | hugoc | well, seems you need to configure your dhcp config to pass the dns info too |
| 14:58.09 | onetinsoldier | outlaw84: if the dir already has the group writeable bit set and you stil getting the same results.. then you need to have a look at the chown command, and make the dir so that it is owned by the group |
| 14:58.31 | mu-dev | one thing that could be problematic is where booting from one disk causes the bios to see the drives in one order and booting from the other causes the bios to see them in the opposite order... that can cause problems |
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| 14:59.23 | outlaw84 | onetinsoldier: it is already is |
| 14:59.26 | jmonreal | I need help, Im installing debian netinstall |
| 14:59.29 | mu-dev | outlaw84: so they get 040 mode? |
| 14:59.39 | jmonreal | and it doesnt detect my network hardware |
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| 14:59.52 | jmonreal | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.06 | jmonreal | thats my network card |
| 15:00.10 | hugoc | jmonreal: check if it's supported first |
| 15:00.17 | outlaw84 | mu-dev: new files get '-rw-r--r--' |
| 15:00.22 | mu-dev | jmonreal: proceed without a network, get the debian base installed, reboot, then see what happens |
| 15:00.36 | jmonreal | ive google and a dude said that the netinstall detected it for him |
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| 15:00.50 | jmonreal | but other guys had the same problem |
| 15:00.56 | mu-dev | outlaw84: and that's what you want? (that's standard I think) |
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| 15:01.17 | jmonreal | mu-dev: but if I go through a debian base install im gonna get software that i dont want |
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| 15:01.26 | jmonreal | thats why I wanted to do it on net-install |
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| 15:01.31 | AlexC_ | Hey |
| 15:01.32 | onetinsoldier | outlaw84: ok, i'm not sure what to tell you next.. been too long for me. i'm looking at the chown manpage now tho to see if i get an idea |
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| 15:01.44 | mu-dev | no, every debian install has the base, that's the minimum you can get and still be able to install packages |
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| 15:02.12 | mu-dev | do you know which net driver it is? |
| 15:02.14 | jmonreal | mu-dev: mm Im downloading dvd1 |
| 15:02.19 | jmonreal | yes |
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| 15:02.34 | jmonreal | in every forum they say its e1000e |
| 15:02.43 | hugoc | jmonreal: can you try modprobe the driver by hand? |
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| 15:03.03 | mu-dev | hmm, that's a good point, try that after the installer is loaded |
| 15:03.12 | jmonreal | in ubuntu its also e1000e |
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| 15:03.36 | jmonreal | but it seems that that driver it doesnt come with the netinstall |
| 15:03.38 | jmonreal | let me try |
| 15:03.46 | mu-dev | jmonreal: this is on another machine? |
| 15:03.57 | jmonreal | yeps |
| 15:04.04 | jmonreal | i have 2 computers the same |
| 15:04.04 | mu-dev | that is you can talk here and install there? |
| 15:04.08 | mu-dev | ok |
| 15:04.16 | mu-dev | boot the netinst |
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| 15:04.21 | jmonreal | already did |
| 15:04.37 | mu-dev | ok, are you in the installer now? |
| 15:04.41 | jmonreal | yeps |
| 15:04.49 | mu-dev | try alt-F2 |
| 15:04.53 | mu-dev | what do you see? |
| 15:05.03 | Orion_X11 | ron1n: me too. Is there a way to skip that annoyance? |
| 15:05.04 | Dominicus_ | I seem to be having difficulty getting the flash 10 package installed and working properly with IceWeasel. By system is Debian 4.0 Etch, it's up to date, and can someone point me to a howto document that they know works? |
| 15:05.10 | jmonreal | i already am in a tty |
| 15:05.24 | jmonreal | y tried modprobe e1000e |
| 15:05.29 | ron1n | Orion_X11, chmod -x the script and do it by hand when needed =p |
| 15:05.30 | mu-dev | you are? ok, try ifconfig eth0 |
| 15:05.32 | jmonreal | and got FATAL Module not found |
| 15:05.39 | mu-dev | hmm |
| 15:05.44 | mu-dev | try depmod -a |
| 15:05.47 | ron1n | Orion_X11, sort of dirty, but it works =P |
| 15:05.58 | jmonreal | ok |
| 15:06.05 | jmonreal | i did that, no output |
| 15:06.11 | hugoc | ron1n: even better, modify the script |
| 15:06.14 | mu-dev | ok, try the modprobe again |
| 15:06.18 | jmonreal | FATAL |
| 15:06.40 | mu-dev | hmm, seems you're right, the module isnt' there |
| 15:06.46 | mu-dev | so: |
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| 15:06.52 | ron1n | yupp, hugoc has a good point |
| 15:06.55 | mu-dev | let the installer install what's on the cd |
| 15:06.57 | mu-dev | and reboot |
| 15:07.08 | mu-dev | when it gets to the tasks, select nothing |
| 15:07.10 | mphill | Dominicus_: are you using the adobe installer? |
| 15:07.17 | jmonreal | ok |
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| 15:07.32 | mu-dev | you know how you want your disks partitioned? |
| 15:07.38 | jmonreal | yes |
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| 15:07.49 | mhymn_ | outlaw84: any luck? |
| 15:07.57 | mu-dev | ok... go to it... when it gets to the network part, tell it to proceed without |
| 15:08.05 | jmonreal | Ive been using linux since a ton, this is the first time i get a problem with debian netinstall |
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| 15:08.15 | jmonreal | ok |
| 15:08.19 | myeggo | someone know how to block a mac address on a dhcp server? or can lead me to correct channel? |
| 15:08.20 | onetinsoldier | outlaw84: yeah, any luck? can we see the output of ls -ld of the dir? |
| 15:08.32 | mu-dev | I'm not sure why you don't have the modules |
| 15:08.43 | mu-dev | maybe they come in as a later part of the installer |
| 15:08.49 | hugoc | myeggo: what do you mind with "block"? |
| 15:08.54 | Dominicus_ | mphill, no, i was trying to use "sudo aptitude flashplugin-nonfree" and that wasn't working out. i didn't want to use the Adobe installer directly, because I'm new to debian, and i wasn't sure how much of a good idea it was to do, especially since Adobe labels it for Ubuntu, and not Debian. |
| 15:08.56 | jmonreal | thats odd |
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| 15:09.19 | myeggo | i want that certain mac address cant take internet, it is configuring manually random ips |
| 15:09.20 | mu-dev | the installer is very piecewise now, before it was more monolithic |
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| 15:09.52 | jmonreal | but how am i gonna install if its netinstall? |
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| 15:09.59 | hugoc | probably you should configure that on your firewall better |
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| 15:10.24 | hugoc | but you can give a certain mac a fixed ip address |
| 15:10.28 | mphill | Dominicus_: its really all the same in this regard, I assume you are using i386/32-bit debian, correct? |
| 15:10.29 | myeggo | that is not possible for me, i only can admin a dhcpserver |
| 15:10.32 | hugoc | and then block that ip |
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| 15:10.47 | myeggo | i thought there is a way via dhcp |
| 15:10.50 | myeggo | but if not, bad luck |
| 15:10.55 | mhymn_ | Dominicus_: i'd recommend installing version 9 from dmm or bpo |
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| 15:11.53 | jmonreal | mu-dev: ?? |
| 15:12.20 | mu-dev | jmonreal" tje netinstall cd has the minimum possible debian on it |
| 15:12.24 | jmonreal | ok |
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| 15:12.37 | Dominicus_ | mphill, Yes, Debian 4.0 Etch, Intel 32 bit.... what is dmm or bpo???? |
| 15:12.39 | jmonreal | thanks mu-dev |
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| 15:13.01 | mphill | Dominicus_: I think he meant debian multilmedia |
| 15:13.04 | mu-dev | it's linux if it has the kernel and a handful of tools... |
| 15:13.12 | mu-dev | it's also debian if you can install packages |
| 15:13.23 | mhymn_ | !tell Dominicus_ -about dmm |
| 15:13.26 | mhymn_ | !tell Dominicus_ -about bpo |
| 15:13.36 | jmonreal | mu-dev: so I should try to modprobe after the base install? |
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| 15:13.49 | JungleBoy | how to remove with apt-get instaled package? |
| 15:13.59 | jmonreal | apt-get remove |
| 15:14.00 | asg | JungleBoy: apt-get remove <pkg> |
| 15:14.07 | mu-dev | yeah, it -should- have the modules then |
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| 15:14.13 | asg | JungleBoy: if you want configs and other stuff gone too, use apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
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| 15:14.29 | Dominicus_ | mphill & mhymn_: thanks. I'll give those a try. |
| 15:14.34 | mhymn_ | np |
| 15:14.56 | JungleBoy | asg: thanks, yes i want to remove configs too |
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| 15:15.02 | mu-dev | but, fallback position: got an old nic you can put in temporarily? |
| 15:15.17 | vagner | Is there a way of preventing dhcp holding at bootime? |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | vagner: don't set it to auto |
| 15:16.02 | jmonreal | mu-dev: Ive installed debian |
| 15:16.06 | jmonreal | now its rebooting |
| 15:16.09 | mphill | Dominicus_: don't be afraid to try the installer. Its still going to use the same .mozilla directory regardless of the fact the string firefox is changed to iceweasel |
| 15:16.14 | mu-dev | ok, cross fingers |
| 15:16.16 | SQlvpapir | JungleBoy then its either apt-get purge or apt-get remove --purge |
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| 15:16.55 | jmonreal | fatal module not found |
| 15:16.57 | jmonreal | args |
| 15:17.03 | jmonreal | WTF! |
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| 15:17.12 | mu-dev | hmm, so it's not there... got an old nic? |
| 15:17.22 | jmonreal | NIC? |
| 15:17.35 | mu-dev | net card |
| 15:17.45 | mu-dev | that you can stick in there temporarily |
| 15:17.50 | onetinsoldier | JungleBoy: nic = netowrk interface card |
| 15:17.58 | jmonreal | its on the mainboard |
| 15:18.00 | JungleBoy | SQlvpapir: instaled package folder still exist, mysql-server i want to uninstal |
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| 15:18.08 | onetinsoldier | oops... sorry JungleBoy, that wasn't meant to be directed at you |
| 15:18.19 | jmonreal | Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 15:18.29 | JungleBoy | onetinsoldier: np |
| 15:18.31 | jmonreal | thats what ubuntu says |
| 15:18.33 | mu-dev | hmm |
| 15:18.43 | mu-dev | oh, what is the ubuntu uname -r? |
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| 15:19.05 | abrotman | jmonreal: uname -a |
| 15:19.07 | mu-dev | and what's the uname -r on the debian |
| 15:19.09 | abrotman | jmonreal: on etch |
| 15:19.10 | Orion_X11 | How to prevent dhcp holding my boot? |
| 15:19.11 | abrotman | erm ... on debian |
| 15:19.17 | abrotman | Orion_X11: don't set it to auto |
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| 15:19.40 | mphill | Orion_X11: do you have a static ip or just not want to connect to a network? |
| 15:19.43 | mu-dev | Orion_X11: don't have boots! |
| 15:19.48 | jmonreal | Linux laboratorio-desktop 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Tue Nov 4 19:33:20 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:20.06 | mu-dev | that's the ubuntu one? |
| 15:20.12 | jmonreal | debian: uname -r >> 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:20.13 | onetinsoldier | does anyone know where i can look at some samples of lean mean custom kernel config(s)? |
| 15:20.18 | mu-dev | ok |
| 15:20.26 | onetinsoldier | Orion_X11: man update-rc.d |
| 15:20.40 | liable | onetinsoldier: no, its entirely dependant on your hardware |
| 15:20.48 | abrotman | jmonreal: server or workstation ? |
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| 15:21.03 | jmonreal | what seems to be the problem? |
| 15:21.07 | frukt_ | good day, #debian. i have a nasty issue: after an attempted etch->lenny upgrade, login fails with normal user (auth over LDAP) and root. seems like a PAM issue, and authlog is littered with messages like "could not reach LDAP server". any suggestions? |
| 15:21.09 | jmonreal | workstation |
| 15:21.21 | onetinsoldier | liable: i just want to see what someone has configured with the general kernel options. i don't care wat their hardware options are |
| 15:21.22 | mu-dev | onetinsoldier: the way debian does lean and mean is by modulizing everything possible |
| 15:21.29 | abrotman | jmonreal: use either etchnhalf(with a .24 kernel) or use lenny(not yet released) |
| 15:21.43 | mu-dev | and using an initrd |
| 15:22.02 | liable | onetinsoldier: lean kernel generally means no initrd. so it *is* dependant on your hardware.. |
| 15:22.24 | liable | onetinsoldier: you seem to misunderstand the concept of modules |
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| 15:22.48 | jmonreal | what? |
| 15:22.52 | mu-dev | well lean has to do with kernel space, the less, the better |
| 15:22.53 | jmonreal | i didnt understand |
| 15:23.08 | jmonreal | abrotman: where do I get those netinstall? |
| 15:23.10 | mu-dev | jmonreal: etch has an additional flavor |
| 15:23.14 | abrotman | jmonreal: which one? |
| 15:23.15 | mu-dev | called etch and a half |
| 15:23.24 | jmonreal | both |
| 15:23.26 | jmonreal | to try |
| 15:23.37 | mu-dev | etchnahalf has newer kernel, which might have the module |
| 15:23.39 | abrotman | jmonreal: you can get the etchnhalf from the same directory you got the other .. the lenny rc1 comes from debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:23.43 | jmonreal | debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso 05-Aug-2008 00:00 143M ??? |
| 15:23.50 | abrotman | that is etchnhalf |
| 15:23.58 | abrotman | if that didn't work, use lenny |
| 15:24.06 | jmonreal | ok |
| 15:24.07 | jmonreal | thanks |
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| 15:24.16 | mu-dev | so you didn't have that one now? |
| 15:25.21 | mu-dev | we're also trying to let you download the smallest install media possible |
| 15:25.53 | mu-dev | if you have a good net connection then it's comfortable that everything else is downloaded as you go |
| 15:26.07 | frukt_ | any ideas as to why authentication refuses to work? |
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| 15:27.26 | onetinsoldier | liable: for instance.. Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers.. is that option really needed? i recall from years ago, that yes, sometimes you need some, but not all, of the underlying options that come by enabling that one option. |
| 15:27.49 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: you should ask ##kernel, not us |
| 15:28.23 | JungleBoy | what is default mysql db login? root with no password? |
| 15:28.36 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: ok, thanks, will do. just looking for a general desktop config.. i don't nis, ect, ect. |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: then use the Debian kernel that is provided |
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| 15:29.24 | liable | onetinsoldier: its entirely subjective. i dont know what exactly you are trying to achieve |
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| 15:30.38 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: ah, i am. but i enjoy customizing my own kernel, just been so long i am not familiar with the 2.6.x kernel. if it were the 2.4.x kernel, i was very familiar with making my own. |
| 15:30.38 | mu-dev | onetinsoldier: it's not totally different |
| 15:31.13 | mu-dev | if you want no modules, you still have to compile in support for what you need |
| 15:31.42 | mu-dev | which would include... net card, disk, partition types |
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| 15:32.37 | abrotman | or he should ask ##kernel |
| 15:32.53 | sds | hello guys I am trying to insall ircd , i have come to the end but now it says this |
| 15:32.53 | sds | ./configure: line 12689: make: command not found |
| 15:32.54 | mu-dev | and/or |
| 15:33.00 | abrotman | no .. he should |
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| 15:33.06 | sds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.08 | ampex | sds: apt-get install make |
| 15:33.26 | liable | why are you compiling it? |
| 15:33.32 | mu-dev | what are you compiling? |
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| 15:33.41 | abrotman | ircd .. |
| 15:33.56 | jelly | sds: which ircd? is there no debian package for it? |
| 15:33.59 | mu-dev | oh, we're back to why :) |
| 15:34.05 | mu-dev | didn't see that |
| 15:34.33 | liable | .. |
| 15:34.45 | mu-dev | sds: perhaps you need compilers and stuff... apt-get install build-essential |
| 15:34.58 | onetinsoldier | i think everyone should learn to compile at 'something' at some point. :P |
| 15:35.06 | jelly | it's also possible he's asking the wrong question |
| 15:35.21 | sds | wait guys |
| 15:35.25 | sds | i think that's working |
| 15:35.28 | hugoc | it's more fun to compile yourself :-) |
| 15:35.30 | mu-dev | that;s kinda hard to tell, kinda subjective, and kinda intrusive |
| 15:35.36 | onetinsoldier | hugoc: exactly |
| 15:35.41 | sds | apt-get install make i think it will work |
| 15:35.43 | onetinsoldier | and more intersting |
| 15:35.44 | hugoc | IMHO, of course |
| 15:35.46 | sds | yes it did |
| 15:35.48 | sds | thank you |
| 15:35.48 | onetinsoldier | interesting* |
| 15:36.00 | liable | what, you think watching make output scroll by is a usefull thing to know how to do? |
| 15:36.09 | sds | thanks for your help everyone |
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| 15:36.30 | abrotman | liable: you mean .. end-users don't enjoy watching compile flags whiz by? |
| 15:36.54 | liable | abrotman: if you are a ricer, yes? |
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| 15:37.43 | liable | we havent picked on gentoo enough lately |
| 15:37.52 | mu-dev | well if everyone should learn to compile something... then it stands to reason everyone should understand the parts of the compiler... |
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| 15:38.07 | onetinsoldier | liable: i had plenty of good times figuring why something would not compile.. and then getting it all fixed up to where.... it finally compiled, followed by by a hearty.. yes! whooo-aaahh! |
| 15:38.07 | liable | um, thats not how it works |
| 15:38.11 | mu-dev | just enough to use them |
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| 15:39.04 | mu-dev | and if everyone should know somethign about the parts of the compiler, it stands to reason they should also know C, or be learning it... |
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| 15:39.36 | liable | sure |
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| 15:40.28 | mu-dev | but the problem is, C is falling pretty rapidly, mostly due to it's not being taught in univs |
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| 15:40.51 | liable | sure |
| 15:41.12 | mu-dev | C is more and more some black art known by these 45 year old retired rich dudes |
| 15:41.26 | liable | sure is |
| 15:41.30 | mavhc | the problem is, machine code is falling pretty rapidly, mostly due to it's not being taught in univs; machine code is more and more some black art known by these 45 year old retired rich dudes |
| 15:41.48 | onetinsoldier | make install doesn't always work... sometimes .conf files need some editing.. sometimes libraries need some symlinking.. etc |
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| 15:42.06 | mu-dev | mavhc: that would be the self-torchure pov :P |
| 15:42.14 | jelly | how do I see tape drive I/O bandwidth usage in Linux? |
| 15:42.40 | mavhc | you should understand the basics of C/machine code/computers in general, enough to know why they work/fail |
| 15:43.09 | liable | to use debian? what the fuck are you guys on about? |
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| 15:43.20 | abrotman | !ot |
| 15:43.21 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 15:43.41 | mu-dev | mavhc: yes but like I say this pov is falling due to its not being taught, and also due to more and more users not wanting to go there |
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| 15:44.25 | barefoot | i installed and configured cups, printed a test page okay. however, when i try to print from iceweasel the only option is to file, how do i fix this? |
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| 15:45.31 | mu-dev | barefoot: try quit and restart iceweasel |
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| 15:46.11 | barefoot | i did, also quit and restarted cups before starting browser again but same results |
| 15:46.18 | HasC | barefoot: more info. the printer is local? |
| 15:46.25 | barefoot | on the network |
| 15:46.31 | abrotman | i thought iceweasel didn't use cups ... |
| 15:46.34 | barefoot | was able to print test page from localhost:631 |
| 15:46.36 | HasC | on another computer? |
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| 15:46.39 | abrotman | remembers why he doesn't have a printer |
| 15:46.50 | barefoot | no, its a network based printer |
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| 15:48.24 | barefoot | guess it would be fine if i could cat to ldp or something, but i dont see that file either |
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| 15:48.41 | hugoc | can you print with lpr at least? |
| 15:48.57 | barefoot | err yeah lpr, dont have that file |
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| 15:49.54 | hugoc | you can get it with apt-get install cupsys-bsd |
| 15:50.06 | hugoc | just for testing purposes |
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| 15:52.48 | barefoot | k, `lpr /path/to/file.ps' gives: lpr: Error - no default destination available |
| 15:53.04 | mu-dev | barefoot: try echo hello | lpr -Plp |
| 15:53.44 | barefoot | that works |
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| 15:54.08 | mu-dev | barefoot: try cat /path/to/file.ps | lpr -Plp |
| 15:54.23 | barefoot | yeah thats what i did |
| 15:54.54 | mu-dev | and this you're doing on which machine? (we should give them names) |
| 15:55.07 | barefoot | doing this on my workstation |
| 15:55.22 | mu-dev | is the printer directly attached? |
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| 15:55.29 | mu-dev | to workstation? |
| 15:55.41 | barefoot | no, its a networked hp laserjet |
| 15:56.05 | mu-dev | ok, so it's got a jetdirect card and all that? |
| 15:56.17 | barefoot | yeah |
| 15:57.11 | mu-dev | ok, so the workstation can print to a printer that its cups presents as local printer "lp" |
| 15:57.33 | mu-dev | you're trying to print from iceweasel on workstation? |
| 15:57.39 | barefoot | yes |
| 15:58.18 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.30 | mu-dev | fb is a module isn't it? |
| 15:58.53 | HasC | if you need to use "vga=" kernel param, probably not |
| 15:58.57 | mu-dev | I'd start with vga=ask |
| 15:59.09 | smacnay | mu-dev: but by specifying the vga= option on boot, won't that thwart fb from loading? |
| 15:59.21 | smacnay | mu-dev: ah yes, forgot about that. |
| 15:59.24 | jelly | !nofb |
| 15:59.24 | dpkg | Append "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer. |
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| 16:00.15 | smacnay | mu-dev: for grub, does that go on the "kernel" lines at the bottom of /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
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| 16:00.27 | smacnay | jelly: thanks |
| 16:00.33 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know how to change the default skeleton settings of applications? or should this be done in the source code? |
| 16:00.48 | mu-dev | yeah, kernel line. |
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| 16:01.47 | tuxcrafter | the thing i want is that if i create an new user and login all apps are setup like i want |
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| 16:02.09 | tuxcrafter | without copying files from one home dir to an other |
| 16:02.12 | stew | tuxcrafter: /etc/skel |
| 16:02.13 | raj | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.25 | tuxcrafter | stew: i now about the /etc/skel |
| 16:02.31 | hugoc | tuxcrafter: edit the files in /etc/skel |
| 16:02.42 | mu-dev | and/or add files |
| 16:03.07 | tuxcrafter | stew: hugoc: yes but how about files used by openoffice or firefox |
| 16:03.21 | tuxcrafter | if i want to change there default setitngs |
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| 16:03.39 | mu-dev | and/or make your own custom skel dir, where you want it, and set useradd default to use that... incase you want to switch back |
| 16:03.45 | hugoc | the default settings of the apps? |
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| 16:03.51 | stew | (adduser not useradd) |
| 16:03.59 | hugoc | better look for that on /etc |
| 16:04.03 | mu-dev | I said useradd for a reason |
| 16:04.04 | barefoot | mu-dev: i tried setting the printer name in about:config print.print_printer also but no luck |
| 16:04.31 | stew | mu-dev: useradd doesn't create a home directory, so i don't know what "useradd default to use that" would mean |
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| 16:05.11 | mu-dev | have you looked at its man page lately? cmon, you don't know about -m?? |
| 16:05.51 | stew | mu-dev: where do i set the default? |
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| 16:06.23 | hugoc | barefoot: try creating a new printer, with another name, more expressive than "lp" |
| 16:06.32 | mu-dev | either invoking useradd with the appropriate option or in /etc/default/useradd |
| 16:06.53 | barefoot | hugoc: it has a name other than lp |
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| 16:07.02 | stew | mu-dev: why would you use useradd instead of adduser? |
| 16:07.04 | mu-dev | but that's not the only way to do it, your sugestion is just as valid |
| 16:07.19 | frukt_ | i'm persistent ... does anyone have a clue as to why authentication (any login isn't possible) won't work after etch->lenny upgrade? |
| 16:07.19 | mu-dev | if it's a scripted use |
| 16:07.25 | mu-dev | for one thing |
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| 16:08.22 | mu-dev | or if you prefer to control more than what adduser offers, or if you want to use a purely cli methodology and don't want it to ask questions, etc |
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| 16:09.31 | mu-dev | but unless you provide a pre-encrypted passwd, you have to set it in a separate command |
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| 16:09.55 | raj | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.20 | mu-dev | raj: got new information? |
| 16:11.55 | raj | mu-dev its an external monitor :S |
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| 16:12.09 | raj | i cannot get it to work preoperly |
| 16:12.13 | raj | properly |
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| 16:12.37 | smacnay | no luck, still getting framebuffers because nvidiafb is still loading on boot - even though I have properly blacklisted it. |
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| 16:13.10 | mu-dev | smacnay: you could do something really sneaky like rename the module |
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| 16:13.34 | mu-dev | ohh, your module is in the initrd probably |
| 16:13.35 | smacnay | mu-dev: I did that before as a last resort but would like to avoid if possible |
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| 16:13.59 | smacnay | mu-dev: how do I deal with that? I did blacklist as best I could. |
| 16:14.22 | mu-dev | not sure, never worked through this |
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| 16:15.00 | onetinsoldier | it's a reason to custom compile your own kernel |
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| 16:15.47 | onetinsoldier | make your own initrd.. one of the reasons i like to do it anyway |
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| 16:16.11 | petemc | debian kernels work well for the majority of people |
| 16:16.41 | smacnay | onetinsoldier: can I do that with a .deb image? |
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| 16:16.55 | _stack | could someone please help me with this error? http://rafb.net/p/4AfhZI73.html |
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| 16:16.59 | mu-dev | you'd have to rebuild the initrd if anything |
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| 16:17.29 | smacnay | petemc: I only have ever had problems with nvidiafb on deb kernels - I can never seem to keep it from loading. |
| 16:17.44 | mu-dev | I mean we haven't determined that the module is actually in the initrd... maybe we should find out first :) |
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| 16:18.17 | petemc | !+initrd modules |
| 16:18.17 | dpkg | i heard initrd modules is zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -t | grep ko$; |
| 16:18.18 | ukl | hello. Is there a way to convert a primary partition into an extended one? |
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| 16:18.51 | peterS | ukl: do you mean a turn it into a logical drive in an extended partition, without losing data? |
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| 16:19.05 | onetinsoldier | smacnay: no. and i wouldn't really worry about it unless you really like to custom compile your own like i do, or really have a need to. mu-dev is correct. determine what the real problem is first. you'll probably find that a custom kernel isn't really needed |
| 16:19.06 | mu-dev | ukl: ready to totally blow it away? |
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| 16:19.26 | peterS | ukl: not easily, because a logical drive lives inside an extended partition, so you need at least one block for the extended partition table itself |
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| 16:19.53 | peterS | ukl: but if you don't care about data loss, you can delete the primary and create an extended and a logical drive in it. the latter will be ever so slightly smaller than the original |
| 16:20.18 | ukl | peterS: thanks for the hint... so it's not just some fdisk option I overlooked...too bad. |
| 16:20.26 | drasko | Hi all. I am trying to boot bzImage in qemu, with rootfs.img created with busybox. I am getting Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Any ideas? |
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| 16:21.03 | mu-dev | ukl: well yes it is, but you lose any data on that partition as a result of doing it (deleting, creating) |
| 16:21.09 | smacnay | petemc: nvidiafb is not listed there |
| 16:21.12 | ukl | extended partitions need to be connected (like in a topological way), right? |
| 16:21.13 | peterS | in fact you need more than one block if you want to do it correctly, since the partition table has a resolution of cylinders for one of its fields |
| 16:21.26 | peterS | yes, every partition has only two boundaries, start and end |
| 16:21.29 | smacnay | mu-dev: no nvidiafb in in the initrd |
| 16:21.30 | peterS | including an extended partition |
| 16:21.48 | ukl | thanks peterS and mu-dev, I think I'll avoid this risky path. |
| 16:22.13 | mu-dev | you could back the partition up, or ghost it |
| 16:22.15 | peterS | best to just move to LVM. though that doesn't help if you need to dual-boot with an OS that doesn't understand the Linux LVM formats |
| 16:22.36 | peterS | MS-DOS format partition tables are horribly hacky and should have gone away 20 years ago |
| 16:22.39 | peterS | (: |
| 16:22.59 | peterS | not that Sun disklabels are much better, you can only have 8 of those and I think one is reserved |
| 16:22.59 | ukl | well, I thought about LVM, too. I already got an LVM "drive", but I can't just assign the raw space without a partition to a PE, can I? |
| 16:23.26 | peterS | correct - you have to format a partition as a PV before adding it to your LVM |
| 16:23.27 | OpenTokix | ukl: no, you need a volumegroup |
| 16:23.34 | mu-dev | and a pv |
| 16:23.36 | OpenTokix | ukl: then you create a logical volume, raw |
| 16:23.44 | mu-dev | to put into the volume group |
| 16:23.47 | ukl | hmm I feel kind of stuck. |
| 16:23.48 | smacnay | mu-dev: brb... |
| 16:23.50 | OpenTokix | ukl: then assign that lv to the virtiual machine, and it will format it etc. |
| 16:23.56 | peterS | but I _think_ you can format a raw disk as a PV - but not just _part_ of a drive or partition |
| 16:24.09 | OpenTokix | yes, you can make a whole disk a pv |
| 16:24.12 | mu-dev | sure you can |
| 16:24.16 | OpenTokix | pvcreate /dev/sdb |
| 16:24.18 | OpenTokix | for instance |
| 16:24.20 | mu-dev | you can have a pv in a partition |
| 16:24.35 | peterS | yes but it uses the whole drive or partition |
| 16:24.35 | OpenTokix | hte caveat of that is, that if you look on the disk with cfdisk - it will report as FREE SPACE |
| 16:24.39 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 16:24.44 | mu-dev | you can even have a pv in an lv... but that would be crazy :) |
| 16:24.47 | OpenTokix | I did that mistake... once =) |
| 16:25.06 | OpenTokix | mu-dev: I heard that is the default way in gentoo =) |
| 16:25.13 | ukl | is there a way to...uhm... move an primary "to the left" in order to get space to extend the extended partition? this could work, problem is, it's my current /. |
| 16:25.15 | drasko | Is there a way to run some hello_world as an init, just to see if this step is working? |
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| 16:25.51 | mu-dev | what, gentoo is shouting to you from the deep distance? :) |
| 16:26.02 | hugoc | ukl: could use gparted or something like that |
| 16:26.09 | ukl | so that's what the gparted livecd is for, right? |
| 16:27.28 | mu-dev | ukl: so originally you wanted an extended partition instead of a primary... I never really understood whether you had data on that partition you cared about |
| 16:28.22 | ukl | I do care about it... I just wanted another root to test some things while retaining my Debian "/"... |
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| 16:28.35 | mu-dev | oh ok |
| 16:28.54 | mu-dev | you'd need to copy stuff to make that happen, and carefully so |
| 16:29.19 | ukl | mu-dev: I'm looking for a way to get another partiton, basically.... first I thought about turning my current (primary) / partition into an extended one to create another logical one as "the other" /... |
| 16:29.22 | mu-dev | got a spare drive? |
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| 16:29.52 | ukl | but now I might just move the current primary / the the left and extend the extended partiton that atm hold my swap and home |
| 16:29.53 | mu-dev | how much data is on the primary you wanted to replace?> |
| 16:30.00 | ukl | 7gb |
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| 16:30.10 | mu-dev | hmm, bigger than a dvd |
| 16:30.13 | ukl | approx. 3.5 in use |
| 16:30.18 | peterS | that's how much data, or that's the size of the partition? |
| 16:30.21 | peterS | ahh. |
| 16:30.23 | mu-dev | oh, smaller than a dvd :) |
| 16:30.45 | mu-dev | let's see... you could... |
| 16:30.50 | mu-dev | write it to a... |
| 16:30.52 | mu-dev | dvd... |
| 16:30.54 | ukl | well, if you tell me using gparted to move it is a genuinely bad idea, I wont try it... |
| 16:31.19 | OpenTokix | 3.5G, isnt that a decent usb-stick today? |
| 16:31.27 | mu-dev | where do you have to move it to? |
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| 16:31.39 | OpenTokix | I don't really see a problem |
| 16:31.40 | ukl | a 20gb step to the left |
| 16:31.42 | mu-dev | rephrase: |
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| 16:32.05 | mu-dev | oh, so you have space you could store e.g. a tarball on |
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| 16:32.17 | ukl | I actually hoped to keep both, the "old /" and the new one, because I really can't live without the old one ;) |
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| 16:32.44 | OpenTokix | ukl: just buy a new HD, install - reinstall - get fresh stuff |
| 16:32.48 | mu-dev | old one... new one... I dunno which is which :) |
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| 16:33.25 | mu-dev | so you have this partition you wanted to make extended... there's a debian in there? |
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| 16:33.59 | mu-dev | what's the hostname of that debian? |
| 16:34.03 | ukl | mu-dev: yes. |
| 16:34.11 | mu-dev | ok |
| 16:34.17 | ukl | "localhost" (lame, ok..) ;) |
| 16:34.36 | mu-dev | really? you called it localhost? |
| 16:35.05 | ukl | is it "uname" we're talking about? yes. |
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| 16:35.13 | mu-dev | and is localhost the new one or the old one? |
| 16:35.26 | smacnay | the "video=vga16:off" param is good in grub? |
| 16:35.57 | mu-dev | and localhost is the one that's taking 3.5g out of a 7g primary partition? |
| 16:36.05 | ukl | localhost is the old one I don't want to go without. Now in front of localhost there're 20 gb, and behind it, there's an extended partition holding swap and home |
| 16:36.11 | ukl | yes. |
| 16:36.57 | ukl | I intend to swap localhost and "free space in front of localhost" in order to merge "free space formerly in front of localhost" with the extended partition "formerly behind localhost" |
| 16:36.57 | mu-dev | ok, so do I take it correctly that you have 20g free space in a formatted partition somewhere? |
| 16:37.39 | ukl | no, it is free but I haven't got any partition slot available to create a partition. Unfortunately, all four are used already. |
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| 16:37.48 | mu-dev | oic |
| 16:38.02 | mu-dev | so it's free unpartitioned space |
| 16:38.18 | ukl | It's like [Recovery] [Win] (free) [Debian] [Extended: {swap} {home}] |
| 16:38.38 | mu-dev | how much free space you got on home? |
| 16:38.48 | ukl | 5.7 gb |
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| 16:39.14 | mu-dev | you could back localhost up there using this gparted disk thing |
| 16:39.35 | ukl | something completely different: Do you know if I can restore the OEM Vista installation on this toshiba network from the recovery partition or some dvd they sent with it? If so, I'd just kick the ntfs partition |
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| 16:39.56 | mu-dev | no idea |
| 16:40.08 | d-b | ukl: got the dvd ? |
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| 16:40.12 | ukl | well, I might just investigate that. |
| 16:40.27 | ukl | d-b: unfortunately, I don't. It's lying at home. |
| 16:40.33 | mu-dev | it seems like a spare drive would make this a lot easier |
| 16:41.17 | d-b | ukl: if you have the medoa amd or key for it then if you wish, why not remove the partition ? |
| 16:41.36 | ukl | mu-dev: actually I do have a USB drive with 4gb here. But I wanted to mess with the new partiton using debian on the old one... (things are complicated.) |
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| 16:42.16 | BillyLeeCN1 | :) |
| 16:42.24 | ukl | d-b: yep, the key is printed on the bottom if the device |
| 16:42.26 | ukl | (of) |
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| 16:43.37 | mu-dev | ukl: the 4g is all free space? |
| 16:44.28 | mu-dev | does debian-installer have tar? |
| 16:44.42 | mu-dev | like can I boot it and have a copy of tar? |
| 16:44.43 | ukl | mu-dev: I can just dump it onto {home} |
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| 16:45.13 | mu-dev | ukl: gotta be careful how you do that |
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| 16:45.29 | mu-dev | ukl: I would do it this way: |
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| 16:46.26 | mu-dev | (cd /; tar cfpl /path/to/usbstick/localhost.tar .) |
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| 16:46.42 | mu-dev | or |
| 16:46.53 | mu-dev | (cd /; tar cfpl /home/localhost.tar .) |
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| 16:47.20 | ukl | mu-dev: thanks a lot. at the moment I'm preparing myself to get rid of the Vista partition. I don't need it and it would simplify things so much. |
| 16:47.45 | ukl | besides, according to the FAQ of gparted, it wouldn't boot (after resizing, what I did) anyway ;) |
| 16:48.12 | smacnay | hmm, even with the video=vga16:off option in grub, nvidiafb is loading up on boot. |
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| 16:48.56 | smacnay | nvidiafb is added in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 16:49.09 | yopyop | does anyone know what thing changed between etch and lenny with nfs boot ? |
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| 16:49.18 | smacnay | I re-ran dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 16:49.34 | smacnay | no idea why it keeps loading. |
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| 16:49.49 | alleyoopster | hi all |
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| 16:50.42 | alleyoopster | trying to scan using xsane, but only detects scanner when xsane is run as root, I am member of scanner group, any ideas? |
| 16:51.16 | alleyoopster | this is on lenny btw |
| 16:51.18 | mu-dev | alleyoopster: see if logs say anything when you try |
| 16:51.40 | mu-dev | do you know where xsane logs to? |
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| 16:51.53 | cahoot | alleyoopster: groups <user> confirms membership? |
| 16:52.00 | alleyoopster | was just going to ask, looking in /var/logs |
| 16:52.24 | Roland- | hey, debian has lots of bugs on splashy you see when I remove it it screws gdm for some reasons and splashy commands and script are't really removed I was getting lots of errors. |
| 16:52.56 | mu-dev | it's probably not /var/log/xsanelogstothisfilerightheresoobvious.log |
| 16:52.56 | alleyoopster | cahoot: yep :- disk lp cdrom floppy audio video plugdev users lpadmin fuse scanner saned |
| 16:53.13 | Roland- | any ways to improve memory usage I mean to make debian use more memory, perhaps chacking? I had readahead and prelink seems to do nothing really. |
| 16:53.26 | alleyoopster | mu-dev: lol, no its not |
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| 16:54.10 | Eulex | Roland-, make it use more memory? well, the kernel will cache read files. are you talking about any specific program? |
| 16:54.20 | stew | alleyoopster: does "groups" list scanner for the user having problems? |
| 16:54.42 | d-b | Roland-: you ... want to use more memory ... why ? |
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| 16:55.08 | d-b | you mean cache revelant things right ? |
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| 16:55.18 | xtuh | is there somebody, who make the installer sources??? |
| 16:55.27 | cahoot | alleyoopster: you scanner has an entry in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60-libsane.rules? |
| 16:55.31 | alleyoopster | stew: typing groups at $ with user gives scanner |
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| 16:55.59 | stew | alleyoopster: check that the device file in /dev is owned by the scanner group |
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| 16:57.59 | kzar | Something is locking up my soundcard, how do I see which process is causing the problem? |
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| 16:58.27 | cahoot | kzar: fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
| 16:58.49 | kzar | cahoot: Hmm that returns nothing? |
| 16:58.53 | cahoot | kzar: or possibly fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 16:59.08 | alleyoopster | stew: erm, would it be /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00 or something |
| 16:59.35 | kzar | cahoot: Nothing again |
| 16:59.46 | stew | alleyoopster: i don't know |
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| 17:00.36 | cahoot | kzar: try as root |
| 17:00.43 | kzar | cahoot: I am |
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| 17:01.31 | cahoot | kzar: then it isn't used by any app atm |
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| 17:04.00 | kzar | cahoot: Hmm well something is messing it up. Here's what happened: Someone else was logged in and playing music through Amarok, (using Gnome) I do switch user, log in as myself and then have trouble playing any sounds. I log out, go back in as the other user and log them out. Now when I log in again it still isn't working. I have killed all processes owned by the other user and doing a ps -ef I can't see anything obv |
| 17:04.00 | kzar | ious. I'm using StumpWM, not sure if any sound manager and the machine is using Alsa if that helps |
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| 17:06.35 | Akuw | i have a DVD |
| 17:06.41 | Akuw | but can run because Zone |
| 17:06.44 | Akuw | what can i do ? |
| 17:06.51 | mu-dev | rephrase |
| 17:06.53 | Akuw | i am using VLC |
| 17:07.02 | Akuw | can't run |
| 17:07.15 | mu-dev | "run"? |
| 17:07.24 | mu-dev | boot? |
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| 17:07.47 | Grunt | play? |
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| 17:08.23 | Eulex | Akuw, it's not of your region? some dvd drives are locked to a particular region and won't play dvds from other regions. |
| 17:08.25 | Akuw | i can't play on my TV DVD player |
| 17:08.32 | Akuw | damm |
| 17:08.33 | mu-dev | also, when you say "i have a DVD" do you mean you have a drive that plays/records dvds? or you have a dvd you're trying to (what)? |
| 17:09.00 | Akuw | i am testing on my DAEWOOD dvd and on my computer DVD |
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| 17:09.06 | mu-dev | I see now |
| 17:09.12 | Akuw | no solution? |
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| 17:09.26 | mu-dev | I'm just trying to see what you meant |
| 17:09.39 | mu-dev | which also means everyone sees what you meant :) |
| 17:09.58 | Grunt | I don't see the link between a non playing Daewoo TV DVD player, a DVD media that doesn't play in it, and Debian. :p |
| 17:10.18 | mu-dev | maybe he wrote it in debian and tried to play it in the daewoo |
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| 17:11.27 | alleyoopster | cahoot: it seemed to be the udev rules, its working now, thanks for your help, and thanks stew |
| 17:11.29 | Roland- | well I need the desktop to basically load faster, debian is kind of slow for some reasons. |
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| 17:11.51 | d-b | Roland-: define slow |
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| 17:12.02 | Grunt | Roland-: Try Ubuntu for a while, then Debian will be very fast. |
| 17:12.10 | mu-dev | !fast, !normal |
| 17:12.10 | Roland- | slow comparing to rhel/fedora/opensuse/gentoo and arch. |
| 17:12.22 | Roland- | ubuntu is crap. |
| 17:12.26 | OpenTokix | ? |
| 17:12.32 | d-b | !better |
| 17:12.32 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 17:12.33 | OpenTokix | "desktop loads slow" ? |
| 17:12.42 | Roland- | yes |
| 17:12.43 | Roland- | :) |
| 17:13.01 | mu-dev | then don't load so much |
| 17:13.08 | Roland- | is gnome-core |
| 17:13.11 | Roland- | :P |
| 17:13.13 | amphi | desktops have the slowness nature |
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| 17:13.25 | mu-dev | try console only |
| 17:13.25 | d-b | Roland-: debian is debian. what wm what version are you on. |
| 17:13.29 | Roland- | I see but why do other distros load faster? |
| 17:13.35 | mu-dev | no x, no graphics, only text |
| 17:13.38 | d-b | Roland-: "load" ? |
| 17:13.42 | Roland- | like fedora which has alot more packages and still boots faster. |
| 17:14.00 | Grunt | Maybe your graphical controller, with proprietary drivers loaded on other distros but not on Debian |
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| 17:14.16 | d-b | Roland-: fedora has less. and are you talking about boot or other things ? |
| 17:14.18 | Roland- | I am using lenny for the moment due the lack of hardware support on etch |
| 17:14.21 | ron1n | Roland-, debian like many distros is pretty customizable, there could be a number of things that maybe you need to configure |
| 17:14.32 | Roland- | I am talking about boot+gnome |
| 17:14.44 | ron1n | such as DMA, Direct rendering, or drop-caches |
| 17:14.50 | Roland- | I removed some startup scripts but I am not sure which ones are safe to remove |
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| 17:15.03 | mu-dev | it's very customizable... |
| 17:15.11 | stew | Roland-: how did you remove them? |
| 17:15.13 | Roland- | I am thinkling about using apt-build |
| 17:15.16 | Roland- | rcconf |
| 17:15.21 | stew | Roland-: why would you use apt-build? |
| 17:15.30 | d-b | rght fedora put a lot of work into boot... but having said that if you swotch to using /bin/dash you should notice a dcrease in bootr time etcv. |
| 17:15.37 | Roland- | dunno for the core2 march |
| 17:15.43 | d-b | !gentoosmite Roland- |
| 17:15.44 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling Roland-, and when it's all done, Roland- runs no faster than previously |
| 17:15.54 | ranix | lol |
| 17:15.57 | Roland- | hey I don't use gentoo anymore |
| 17:16.00 | stew | Roland-: you sholdn't expect that to make a noticable difference |
| 17:16.17 | mu-dev | if you can't compile yourself, then get yourself together |
| 17:16.18 | Roland- | then I need more memory caching. |
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| 17:16.41 | ranix | more memory caching? |
| 17:16.54 | ranix | memory caching isn't something you really "do more of" |
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| 17:17.07 | stew | Roland-: switching /bin/sh to be dash instead of bash will significantly imporove boot time |
| 17:17.10 | d-b | Roland-: gnome load + kernel isn' going to help on boot |
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| 17:17.21 | d-b | by more memory caching |
| 17:17.36 | denys | hi guys, i'm using simple-cdd to generate a debian(etch) cd, and was working ok until i need to get some packages from the backports repo.. i have already googled to see how to include this repo into my conf files, but havent found anything useful... isnt there a way to configure the simple-cdd get packages from backports ? |
| 17:17.41 | d-b | meat helped |
| 17:17.43 | ron1n | Roland-, stew and d-b speak the truth |
| 17:17.46 | ron1n | saved me loads of time |
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| 17:18.05 | Roland- | I did whatever I could do with the kernel, I have a nice sexy kernel now. |
| 17:18.11 | Roland- | can't go further than that |
| 17:18.21 | ron1n | thats nice. your shell is independant of your kernel. |
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| 17:18.36 | ranix | if you want spead, work a couple extra hours and buy an i7 |
| 17:18.43 | ranix | it's a more efficient expenditure of energy |
| 17:18.50 | ranix | speed |
| 17:18.53 | ranix | good lord what a typo |
| 17:18.54 | d-b | Roland-: well turn on parallel loading ... and dash + reduce daemons etc... |
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| 17:19.00 | Roland- | nieh I don't need i7 core2 8400 works fine for me. |
| 17:19.12 | ranix | I want the new ivt |
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| 17:19.14 | Roland- | wait wait wait ? did you said parallel loading? |
| 17:19.17 | ranix | for pci passthrough |
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| 17:19.17 | mu-dev | if you can't have spead, then drink mead |
| 17:19.18 | ranix | so good |
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| 17:20.11 | d-b | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/199 |
| 17:20.18 | Roland- | reads |
| 17:20.40 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.40 | d-b | with: |
| 17:20.41 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.56 | ron1n | throws Roland- a pipe and hopes he gets the hint |
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| 17:21.32 | Roland- | I got it |
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| 17:21.43 | d-b | try that ^^ |
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| 17:22.57 | Roland- | weird there's no such line |
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| 17:23.03 | Roland- | at least not in lenny |
| 17:23.06 | ron1n | Roland-, there are a number of things you can do to increase performance |
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| 17:23.20 | Roland- | what is dash ? |
| 17:23.31 | ron1n | Roland-, debian optimized bash |
| 17:23.36 | frukt_ | come on guys, i'm on the verge of switching to arch linux here ... doesn't anyone have ideas about why logging in becomes impossible after etch -> lenny switch? probably a PAM issue ... |
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| 17:24.05 | Roland- | this is lenny rc: http://pastebin.com/m4b6824f5 |
| 17:24.40 | Roland- | altight I installed it so chaning my shell to it is ok ? Or I have to edit things to switch to dash |
| 17:25.15 | d-b | Roland-: try that to start with |
| 17:25.16 | ron1n | I think apt takes care of it, others would know better |
| 17:25.35 | stew | Roland-: you woulnd't change your shell, you'd change the /bin/sh symlink |
| 17:25.39 | Roland- | OK dash installed. |
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| 17:25.45 | _FReeZ | Hi guys |
| 17:25.46 | stew | Roland-: you don't see a CONCURENCY=none line? |
| 17:25.48 | ranix | frukt_: you dist-upgraded and it killed your logins? |
| 17:26.07 | _FReeZ | Have you know that Debian (l)users have a small penis? |
| 17:26.08 | shivraj | frukt_: do a new install, if your home partition is on a separate partition you wont lose files |
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| 17:26.16 | shivraj | frukt_: be careful not to format it |
| 17:26.26 | d-b | frukt_: check bts if you have found a bug report it |
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| 17:26.54 | frukt_ | ranix: yes, dist-upgrade. root login gives "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info"; normal user login (auth via LDAP) just says "login incorrect" |
| 17:27.14 | frukt_ | network is up and running |
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| 17:27.27 | Roland- | ok added parallel there |
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| 17:27.36 | Roland- | I still need more memory caching. |
| 17:27.43 | stew | Roland-: buy more memory |
| 17:27.45 | Roland- | I would like debian to use more memory, ram is cheap and fast |
| 17:27.47 | ron1n | Roland-, google vm drop caches |
| 17:27.50 | Roland- | 4 gigs ? |
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| 17:28.13 | ron1n | and use free -m to get a good look at how your ram is being used |
| 17:28.14 | stew | Roland-: sure |
| 17:28.24 | Roland- | I have 4 gigs and only 200 megs used. such a shame |
| 17:28.37 | stew | Roland-: show us the output of "free" |
| 17:28.37 | ron1n | that is wrong, unused ram is wasted ram |
| 17:28.39 | stew | Roland-: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:28.49 | frukt_ | some services have a long lag at booting, logs seem to indicate that they're looking for the LDAP server which for some reason can't be accessed |
| 17:29.12 | Roland- | http://pastebin.com/m13f235fa |
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| 17:29.37 | Roland- | I am running a virtual machine atm with 512m ram |
| 17:29.48 | d-b | frukt_: do you have an ldap setup ? |
| 17:29.53 | frukt_ | yes |
| 17:30.05 | stew | Roland-: so 1 gig is being used as cache so far. what is hte uptime on this machine? |
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| 17:30.09 | d-b | is that server down ? |
| 17:30.20 | Roland- | 19 hours... |
| 17:30.21 | frukt_ | no, my etch partition works fine |
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| 17:30.38 | ron1n | Roland-, are you using debian in a VM with another OS as the host? |
| 17:30.41 | d-b | eh..? |
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| 17:30.50 | Roland- | no debian is the host machine |
| 17:30.53 | ron1n | good |
| 17:30.55 | Roland- | vm is a windows machine |
| 17:31.00 | ron1n | alright |
| 17:31.09 | Roland- | to make a damn 500e soundcard work :( |
| 17:31.24 | d-b | you can't use etch unless you are chrooting into it... |
| 17:31.36 | frukt_ | d-b: i mean that I have a separate etch partition, and a new cloned partition that i tried to upgrade to lenny |
| 17:31.38 | stew | Roland-: what did you mean by "only 200 megs used" where were you getting that 200 megs figure? |
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| 17:32.02 | frukt_ | obviously it was a good idea to keep the old etch install, because otherwise i wouldn't be here on irc |
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| 17:32.52 | Roland- | before starting thje virtual machine, using the gnome-system-monitor |
| 17:32.58 | frukt_ | anyway, neither root login (standard unix /etc/shadow auth) nor my regular password (LDAP auth) work |
| 17:33.18 | frukt_ | logs aren't too helpful |
| 17:33.27 | ron1n | Roland-, gnome-system-monitor was wong |
| 17:33.27 | frukt_ | lots of "cannot access LDAP server" messages |
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| 17:33.48 | ilaiho | is a freeze exception on package fglrx-driver possible? |
| 17:34.04 | Roland- | dash sucks. It's doesn't complete commands with tab |
| 17:34.25 | ilaiho | it is almost useless beacuse of #505314 |
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| 17:34.48 | Zharf | Roland-, dash is supposed to be lightweight <.< |
| 17:34.53 | ilaiho | another option is to remove it from testing |
| 17:34.56 | stew | ilaiho: probably not, since the bug is not release critical |
| 17:35.12 | Roland- | http://pastebin.com/m7b58aca5 any suggestions what scripts to disable? |
| 17:35.31 | frukt_ | anyway, no experts on PAM and LDAP here, it seems? |
| 17:35.41 | ilaiho | stew: I think it is release critical if a package is almost useless |
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| 17:37.30 | MadWax | aidehua: |
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| 17:37.38 | stew | ilaiho: does it affect all users of the package? or just some? does the problem happen no matter what you do? or only affect some applications? |
| 17:38.26 | ilaiho | stew: it affects most applications |
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| 17:38.51 | ilaiho | I haven't got anything working except planetpenguinracer |
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| 17:39.10 | AvK | could you tell me what is the name of the language : |
| 17:39.11 | AvK | Polsk er det største språket i den lekhitiske undergruppen av de slaviske språkene. |
| 17:39.15 | ron1n | is dash a replacement for bash or sh? |
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| 17:39.34 | ron1n | I'm not sure where it fits feature wise |
| 17:39.39 | ilaiho | AvK: Maybe norweigan? |
| 17:39.48 | det | AvK, looks Swedish |
| 17:40.11 | ilaiho | it is definitely not swedish |
| 17:40.14 | AvK | hmm, |
| 17:40.16 | stew | ilaiho: the bug states that the problem is with 3d applications. is this true? or does it also affect applictions which aren't 3d? |
| 17:40.21 | ilaiho | swedish does not have ø |
| 17:40.21 | det | AvK, Swedish people are always setting off nickname highlighting in my IRC client (like you just did!) :-) |
| 17:40.39 | ilaiho | stew: yes |
| 17:41.01 | ilaiho | fglrx is needed only for 3d |
| 17:41.11 | ilaiho | 2d works well with free drivers |
| 17:41.16 | stew | ilaiho: then yes, i don't see why it would be release critical |
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| 17:41.56 | ilaiho | stew: hmm. |
| 17:42.10 | ilaiho | it is useless for its primary use |
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| 17:42.54 | stew | ilaiho: see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities ; "important" seems like the appropriate level |
| 17:43.03 | stew | ilaiho: no, it doesn't make it useless for its primary use |
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| 17:43.33 | ilaiho | stew: Can you tell me what is fglrx's primary use if it is not 3d |
| 17:43.40 | stew | ilaiho: its a video card driver |
| 17:44.20 | stew | "non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver" |
| 17:44.39 | ilaiho | stew: it is a _non-free_ display driver |
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| 17:44.44 | stew | yes |
| 17:45.12 | ilaiho | with 2d, you don't need fglrx |
| 17:45.52 | stew | ilaiho: right |
| 17:46.45 | stew | ilaiho: the fglrx driver works fine with 2d though, aiui |
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| 17:47.40 | jberg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.40 | stew | ilaiho: if you think the severity should be raised. ask the maintainer, it doesn't seem however that the maintiners agree with you, and they are the ones who should decide such a thing |
| 17:47.47 | smacnay | Can other modules, loading on boot, call blacklisted modules? |
| 17:47.49 | beardy | jberg: break at "have a p" |
| 17:48.17 | tuxcrafter | my compleet dmesg is full with wlan messages about associate with AP ****, is there a way to make this less verbose? |
| 17:48.25 | tuxcrafter | or more stable... |
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| 17:48.54 | jberg | beardy: have a private backup dir, but also that every user has read and write access to /storage/music /storage/movies etc.. any tips on how to partition? |
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| 17:50.15 | enouf | tuxcrafter: one workaround is to just forget about dmesg, and use /var/log/dmesg (add your user to 'adm' group for ease of reading logs) |
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| 17:56.06 | HaCkDrEs | hi |
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| 17:57.20 | enouf | smacnay: iinm, modules listed in /etc/modules will load no matter .. but also, initrd loaded modules need to be blacklisted and the initrd needs to be updated |
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| 17:57.33 | UTNMDP | hi all, i need load balance per-destination based on a debian box... there is a kernel patch right? |
| 17:58.04 | enouf | smacnay: the ones in /etc/modules are due to an init.d script, iirc |
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| 18:13.08 | smacnay | enouf: is there some special way to blacklist initrd modules? |
| 18:13.35 | smacnay | enouf: only one module listed in /etc/modules |
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| 18:14.56 | cahoot | smacnay: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 18:15.16 | ventrix | i still haven't understand the difference between sidux and debian mini cd installing the unstable packets |
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| 18:16.07 | smacnay | cahoot: done all of that already... |
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| 18:16.10 | smacnay | cahoot: thanks |
| 18:16.13 | enouf | smacnay: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:17.00 | eventi | hey - I'm trying to build a php module (rrdtool) but I'm stuck - after I download the source for php what do I do |
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| 18:17.11 | enouf | ventrix: packages? |
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| 18:17.32 | smacnay | enouf: back later |
| 18:18.16 | ventrix | packages. :) |
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| 18:20.44 | Eulex | AvK, that's danish or norwegian. do you want a translation? |
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| 18:20.53 | frukt_ | is there *any* way to get authentication working after etch->lenny upgrade? |
| 18:21.15 | frukt_ | no login is possible, whether as root or over LDAP |
| 18:21.29 | Eulex | authentication with ldap? |
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| 18:21.52 | frukt_ | yes, but normal /etc/shadow auth doesn't work either |
| 18:22.31 | Eulex | did you configure pam in any special way? |
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| 18:22.48 | frukt_ | no, everything worked before |
| 18:23.05 | AvK | Eulex, no thanks, it's a little similar to german |
| 18:23.09 | frukt_ | haven't touched PAM |
| 18:23.20 | AvK | i do understand ... |
| 18:24.18 | UTNMDP | i need help with per-destination load balance please... |
| 18:24.21 | Eulex | frukt_, can you pastebin your /etc/pam.d/common-auth anyway? |
| 18:24.22 | stew | frukt_: can you show us your /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 18:24.37 | stew | and you might as well do common-password as well |
| 18:24.41 | frukt_ | ok, coming up |
| 18:24.57 | stew | UTNMDP: can you be more specific? |
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| 18:26.17 | UTNMDP | stew: i need per destination load balance on a debian box...no per-package load balance |
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| 18:26.50 | stew | UTNMDP: what do you mean by 'per dstination' and 'per-package'? |
| 18:27.21 | frukt_ | ok, all the three files are here http://pastebin.com/m37a01650 |
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| 18:28.14 | thesnark | My default config seems to think I don't have a midi sequencer. Isn't a midi sequencer a piece of software? |
| 18:28.18 | cpbills | why is /usr/lib missing from /etc/ld.so.conf on lenny amd64 (or amd64 in general...) ? |
| 18:28.44 | stew | frukt_: so yeah, you did change your pam configuration, all these files have been altered |
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| 18:29.55 | frukt_ | stew: what makes you believe that? |
| 18:30.13 | UTNMDP | stew: destinatation based, for a a sessions issue, destination based use always the same isp link for a stablished conection |
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| 18:31.19 | dustybin | what does 'KB' mean? kilobytes? |
| 18:31.19 | flipflop | So I'm running this webalizer thing to analyze my weblogs.. and it dies on me with "symbol lookup error: webalizer: undefined symbol: gdImagePng" |
| 18:31.23 | Eulex | frukt_, for example, debian does not even attempt to authenticate through ldap by default. |
| 18:31.40 | frukt_ | Eulex: they are exactly the same as on my etch partition, which works fine |
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| 18:31.59 | frukt_ | i didn't install etch myself originally |
| 18:32.15 | frukt_ | these files are ok |
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| 18:32.47 | stew | frukt_: you can compare the /etc/pam.d/common-* files to their defaults, which are /usr/share/pam/common- you'll see that you've changed them |
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| 18:33.18 | frukt_ | *i* haven't changed them |
| 18:33.24 | frukt_ | they aren't default, sure |
| 18:33.49 | Eulex | frukt_, it is not uncommon that config files need to be altered to work with new versions of software. |
| 18:34.01 | stew | frukt_: yeah, ok, i, of course, don't have any idea who changed these files on your system |
| 18:34.29 | frukt_ | Eulex: that's exactly what i'm after - how to alter necessary files so i could get lenny working |
| 18:34.59 | frukt_ | my own ideas have run out |
| 18:35.38 | Eulex | frukt_, did you check your /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 18:35.47 | frukt_ | Eulex: yep |
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| 18:36.07 | Eulex | and what do you get in there for an attempted login? |
| 18:36.11 | frukt_ | lots of messages like "cannot find LDAP server" |
| 18:36.36 | Eulex | so, is your lpap server working? |
| 18:36.52 | frukt_ | "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info" |
| 18:37.12 | frukt_ | Eulex: yes, because i'm logged in now from my etch system |
| 18:37.45 | frukt_ | the LDAP server is fine, it's sitting in a nice cooled datacentre connected by fiber |
| 18:38.27 | flipflop | fiber? like in cereal? |
| 18:38.46 | ranix | fiber, like in optics |
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| 18:38.59 | frukt_ | typical messages from auth.log: http://pastebin.com/m9670941 |
| 18:39.01 | flipflop | oh |
| 18:39.43 | frukt_ | anyway, neither /etc/shadow (root) nor LDAP (my regular account) authentication seem to work |
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| 18:41.08 | ranix | frukt_: looks like you're failing to connect to the ldap server |
| 18:41.25 | ranix | frukt_: ldap_starttls is starting TLS encryption to the ldap server |
| 18:41.52 | ranix | frukt_: what are the contents of /etc/shadow? Are they sane? Do the users you fail to login as exist there? |
| 18:42.03 | frukt_ | yes, but the server is up and eth0 is up, IP is configured, DNS queries are fine |
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| 18:42.26 | Eulex | frukt_, is /etc/ldap.conf configured to connect to the right ldap server? |
| 18:42.34 | Eulex | and port |
| 18:42.35 | frukt_ | root exists in /etc/shadow, my normal user doesn't |
| 18:42.39 | \amethyst | frukt_: hm, is the server listening on LDAP (port 389), LDAPS (port 636), or both? |
| 18:42.40 | ranix | frukt_: are you behind a firewall, are you connecting to the right port? Does your ldap server need to be configured to specifically allow connections from a certain ip address? |
| 18:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but shouldn't root always authenticate locally directly via /etc/passwd /etc/shadow? |
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| 18:43.16 | ranix | frukt_: if you're trying to open a tls connection to a non-tls ldap port (i.e. ldap rather than ldaps) you will get a failure |
| 18:43.30 | frukt_ | LDAP should be fine, because as i'm saying, the etch partition works fine and it has exactly the same configuration |
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| 18:43.51 | ranix | frukt_: are you using a static ip for this system? |
| 18:43.54 | frukt_ | has anything changed since etch in that respect? |
| 18:43.59 | ranix | frukt_: is the hostname the same as the etch partition |
| 18:44.05 | frukt_ | ranix: yes, static IP |
| 18:44.42 | frukt_ | ranix: hostname is same, because it's a cloned partition |
| 18:44.48 | UTNMDP | stew: ... |
| 18:45.10 | frukt_ | ranix: *all* the configuration is same, i just upgraded the system to lenny |
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| 18:45.37 | frukt_ | i.e. i cloned the etch partition, then upgraded the clone |
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| 18:45.53 | BCM43 | does anybody know how to send audio from one computer to the next via command line? |
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| 18:46.25 | Eulex | frukt_, when upgrading from etch to lenny, you should've gotten a heap of "this configuration change has been changed, do you want to keep your default or install the maintainers?". if you did not answer keep to all... yeah, you understand. also, can you please verify what we are asking about? you won't solve your problem quicker by complaining about our advice :) |
| 18:47.20 | mhymn_ | BCM43: what do you mean by sending audio? sending a file or streaming? |
| 18:47.36 | frukt_ | Eulex: sorry, i'm not complaining, thanks for the help. in any case, i paid attention to those messages and made sane choices, mostly kept the old config |
| 18:47.37 | cahoot | BCM43: via netcat |
| 18:47.45 | stew | UTNMDP: i don't understand what you are asking. can you try rephasing it? |
| 18:48.10 | frukt_ | i watched the diffs and didn't replace anything important, IIRC |
| 18:48.16 | BCM43 | i need to insert a cd and have it send the audio to another computer to play. |
| 18:48.22 | ranix | hmmmm |
| 18:48.34 | cahoot | BCM43: you can do that via netcat |
| 18:48.50 | BCM43 | cahoot: any idea how? |
| 18:48.52 | ranix | ssh user@system_a tail -f /dev/audio > /dev/audio |
| 18:48.52 | stew | frukt_: if you take ldap out of /etc/nsswitch.conf does root start to work? does root start to work if you switch passwd/shadow from files to compat? |
| 18:48.57 | BCM43 | cahoot: and will it go to others? |
| 18:49.03 | ranix | I THINK that MAY pipe audio over scp |
| 18:49.06 | ranix | ssh rather |
| 18:49.08 | stew | does someone know of a simple way to validate if a file is valid UTF-8 ? |
| 18:49.11 | ranix | that would be lulzy if it works |
| 18:49.28 | ranix | BCM43: let me know if it does because it's funny as hell if that works |
| 18:49.31 | frukt_ | stew: not sure, i might try that |
| 18:49.36 | cahoot | BCM43: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/11/06/netcat-a-couple-of-useful-examples/ |
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| 18:50.07 | Eulex | stew, uniutils? |
| 18:50.11 | BCM43 | cahoot: thanks |
| 18:50.14 | BCM43 | ranix: nope |
| 18:50.17 | ranix | k |
| 18:50.28 | BCM43 | tail: cannot open `/dev/audio' for reading: Device or resource busy |
| 18:50.34 | Roland- | question: how do I copy a cd into an iso ? |
| 18:50.34 | JyZyXEL | lol is there a compiz channel in freenode? |
| 18:50.35 | Roland- | :> |
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| 18:50.58 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg alis help list |
| 18:51.14 | mu-dev | JyZyXEL: if there isn't, then the answer is no... |
| 18:51.22 | BCM43 | cahoot: that led me to this. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/145 thanks |
| 18:51.25 | frukt_ | what does nsswitch.conf do anyway? how does it relate to PAM? |
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| 18:51.41 | mu-dev | but there might be |
| 18:51.49 | Eulex | stew, perhaps: "* ExplicateUTF8 is intended for debugging or for learning about Unicode. It determines and explains the validity of a sequence of bytes as a UTF8 encoding." (from uniutils description) |
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| 18:52.20 | mu-dev | #compiz-fusion |
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| 18:52.30 | stew | ahh, not in stable |
| 18:52.37 | stew | Eulex: thanks |
| 18:53.15 | stew | frukt_: "man nsswitch.conf" has a decription. |
| 18:53.24 | stew | frukt_: does "getent passwd root" and "getent shadow root" work? |
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| 18:54.17 | Eulex | ("getent shadow root" would only work as root) |
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| 18:54.34 | stew | oh, right, i guess he can't test those |
| 18:54.35 | frukt_ | damn. anyway, i'll have to boot up lenny to check |
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| 18:54.45 | stew | well they'd work from single user mode i suppose |
| 18:55.27 | Eulex | frukt_, can't login via ldap into root? |
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| 18:56.01 | frukt_ | Eulex: no, root isn't in LDAP |
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| 18:56.22 | frukt_ | root is in /etc/shadow |
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| 19:01.42 | DeadFishMan | Roland-: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/file.iso bs=8192 where sdX is the device block for your CD/DVD drive |
| 19:01.59 | Roland- | alright |
| 19:02.10 | Roland- | already googled on that but is very very slow dunnoy why |
| 19:02.54 | DeadFishMan | Roland-: What is slow? dd? If that's the case, try increasing bs (block size) in multiples of 1024. man dd for details. |
| 19:04.58 | stew | frukt_: how are you trying to login? on console? |
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| 19:06.29 | frukt_ | stew: yep. gdm doesn't work either |
| 19:06.34 | jonaskoelker | Fun stuff on the debian.org search: http://search.debian.org/apache2-default/ |
| 19:06.37 | jonaskoelker | ;) |
| 19:07.54 | stew | frukt_: can you show us your /etc/pam.d/login ? |
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| 19:09.57 | frukt_ | stew: here - http://pastebin.com/m1c10aa66 |
| 19:10.33 | frukt_ | i already tried setting "auth required pam_unix.so" as the only line in that file, didn't make a difference |
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| 19:20.57 | jonaskoelker | hi all |
| 19:21.16 | jonaskoelker | I can't get my debian box to play back what comes in on the microphone; what do I do? |
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| 19:21.52 | gimzo | jonaskoelker, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:21.53 | stoned | how are you trying to record? |
| 19:21.57 | mu-dev | jonaskoelker: when you say play back... you must have recorded? |
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| 19:22.26 | mu-dev | or if you just want to hear the mic, look at your mixer settings |
| 19:22.29 | jonaskoelker | s/play back/"forward" to my speakers/ |
| 19:22.33 | stoned | jonaskoelker, the question is, do you get static output, or do you not record at all? |
| 19:22.58 | gimzo | you just need to check mic settings in the mixer |
| 19:23.05 | mu-dev | you just want the mic input to show up in the speakers |
| 19:23.08 | mu-dev | or if you just want to hear the mic, look at your mixer settings |
| 19:23.25 | jonaskoelker | capture is set to mic, mic select is mic1, capture volume is 100 |
| 19:23.26 | mu-dev | be careful with volume |
| 19:23.39 | stoned | jonaskoelker, audacity? |
| 19:24.23 | mu-dev | and something to route the mic signal to the speakers |
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| 19:24.28 | jonaskoelker | mu-dev: yeah, mic input -> speaker output |
| 19:24.46 | mu-dev | again be careful with volume |
| 19:24.48 | jonaskoelker | what routes the mic signal to the speakers? |
| 19:24.59 | jonaskoelker | mu-dev: careful being what range of values? ;) |
| 19:25.43 | mu-dev | well first off I'd try recording the mic inpuot or watching it on some kind of scope app |
| 19:26.00 | mu-dev | do that first |
| 19:26.42 | mu-dev | then set the mic low, about 10% and then try doing the routing |
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| 19:28.26 | jonaskoelker | doing a big install job... please hold ;) |
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| 19:28.59 | jonaskoelker | oh well, while I wait for apt-get to get done so I can install audacity, there's this other funny business |
| 19:29.02 | jonaskoelker | my alt keys don't work :| |
| 19:29.24 | mu-dev | give them a raise |
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| 19:29.44 | jonaskoelker | :) |
| 19:29.44 | mu-dev | what do you mean "don't work" |
| 19:30.50 | jonaskoelker | fire up emacs, type a few words, alt+b does (self-insert 'b), not (backward-word) |
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| 19:30.50 | amikrop | I am trying to create an Ubuntu installation USB from Debian, using UNetbootin. But the contents of the .iso file are not extracted in the USB, after the process ends. Any help, please? |
| 19:30.50 | alice_ | does any one know what package provide protocols.h ? |
| 19:30.51 | jonaskoelker | alice_: yep, apt-file search does |
| 19:30.51 | mu-dev | that's an old file |
| 19:30.51 | mu-dev | !find protocols.h |
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| 19:30.56 | jonaskoelker | (... or probably should do) |
| 19:31.21 | alice_ | jonaskoelker: i don't have apt-file :/ |
| 19:31.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'protocols.h' (5 of 15): (/usr/include/xen/io/protocols.h) in libdevel/libxen-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/hpoj/html/info-protocols.html) in utils/hpoj ;; (/usr/include/irssi/src/core/chat-protocols.h) in net/irssi-dev ;; (/usr/include/GNUnet/gnunet_protocols.h) in libdevel/gnunet-dev ;; (/usr/include/loki/yasli/yasli_protocols.h) in libdevel/libloki-dev. |
| 19:31.39 | alice_ | netinet/protocols.h: No such file or directory |
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| 19:31.45 | alice_ | sorry |
| 19:31.49 | alice_ | mistake |
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| 19:31.51 | jonaskoelker | I checked in xmodmap, mod1 has keys 0x40 and 0x71 (syms Alt_L and Alt_R). xev says my alt keys generate those codes and syms |
| 19:31.52 | amikrop | I am trying to create an Ubuntu installation USB from Debian, using UNetbootin. But the contents of the .iso file are not extracted in the USB, after the process ends. Any help, please? |
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| 19:32.04 | jonaskoelker | alice_: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update? |
| 19:32.08 | jonaskoelker | alice_: not root? |
| 19:32.30 | alice_ | jonaskoelker: ok |
| 19:32.31 | amikrop | At least, I can't see them through nautilus. |
| 19:32.39 | cahoot | amikrop: got p7zip-full installed? |
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| 19:33.18 | amikrop | cahoot, yes |
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| 19:33.36 | alice_ | i always wonder is sudo secure than using root, if u have ALL rites ? |
| 19:33.50 | cahoot | amikrop: ok no more ideas - worked fine her yesterday |
| 19:33.58 | dff | why is my .bashrc not being read |
| 19:33.59 | cahoot | s/her/here/ |
| 19:34.06 | amikrop | cahoot, The USB was formatted to install Debian before. |
| 19:34.30 | amikrop | cahoot, I did a zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb somewhere in the past. |
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| 19:34.41 | pothibo_ | I have a debian router and open the port 22 on ssh but it still doesn't let me connect, any idea what else I could be missing ? |
| 19:34.55 | jonaskoelker | dff: what are you doing that should read it? |
| 19:35.03 | amikrop | cahoot, Maybe that makes the USB work wrong? |
| 19:35.07 | alice_ | pothibo_: can u ping the route ? |
| 19:35.14 | alice_ | s/route/router/ |
| 19:35.23 | pothibo_ | alice_: yes. |
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| 19:35.39 | pothibo_ | But I'm not sure if it's opened properly as I'm not a great iptables guru |
| 19:35.40 | dff | jonaskoelker, doest it automaticly load it when you log in |
| 19:35.43 | jonaskoelker | hmmm... my broken alt key is not broken in kpdf, but it _is_ in xterm |
| 19:35.47 | alice_ | have u rited clear .ssh/host file ? |
| 19:36.01 | jonaskoelker | dff: should do; "log in" would be the answer then :) |
| 19:36.07 | alice_ | can u pastebin iptables ? |
| 19:36.19 | pothibo_ | alice_: I mean, I tried to check for the open port 22 with a web tool and it said it was close |
| 19:36.19 | dff | i do, but i still have to type source ~/.bashrc for it to load it |
| 19:36.26 | pothibo_ | alice_: yes give me a sec |
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| 19:36.50 | jonaskoelker | wait... login shells read ~/.bash_profile, not ~/.bashrc |
| 19:36.52 | jonaskoelker | says my notes |
| 19:36.54 | mu-dev | dff: man bash, look for FILES section |
| 19:37.31 | mu-dev | unless the man page is maintained horribly, that should tell you exactly what file is sourced when and under what conditions |
| 19:37.39 | jmonreal | mu-dev: now its working |
| 19:37.40 | jmonreal | thanks |
| 19:37.49 | jmonreal | another Q, the system has 4GB of ram |
| 19:37.52 | alice_ | jonaskoelker: nothing with apt-file :( |
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| 19:38.10 | pothibo_ | alice_: http://rafb.net/p/G01F0V13.html |
| 19:38.13 | jmonreal | will it use all ? or it would be better install a 64bit arquitecture? |
| 19:38.43 | pothibo_ | alice_: maybe the FORWARD policy forwards ssh connection to other computer within the lan |
| 19:39.18 | jonaskoelker | alice_: I give up then... best of luck :) |
| 19:39.33 | alice_ | damn |
| 19:39.41 | alice_ | pothibo_: try flushing them |
| 19:39.46 | alice_ | see if it works |
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| 19:39.49 | alice_ | looks ok to me |
| 19:39.51 | pothibo_ | alice_: ok |
| 19:40.00 | jmonreal | mu-dev: ??? |
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| 19:40.22 | amikrop | cahoot, Well. I found out the reason. UNetbootin thinks the mountpoint is Debian/040Inst. But it is Debian Inst. |
| 19:40.42 | amikrop | cahoot, It seems there is a problem with the space character, and UNetbootin. |
| 19:40.53 | amikrop | cahoot, Maybe if I could rename the USB flash disk? |
| 19:40.57 | pothibo_ | 1 |
| 19:41.00 | amikrop | cahoot, Any ideas, please? |
| 19:41.27 | pothibo_ | alice_: well, that was the stupidest thing I could have done, the routin aint' working anymore, I can't access the server |
| 19:41.27 | amikrop | cahoot, I mean, if I could rename is to a single word, name. |
| 19:41.39 | amikrop | Anyone else, any help? |
| 19:41.51 | amikrop | If I try to rename it, I get this: |
| 19:41.53 | amikrop | # mkfs -n corsair /dev/sda |
| 19:41.53 | amikrop | mke2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 19:41.53 | amikrop | mkfs.ext2: invalid blocks count - /dev/sda |
| 19:41.59 | alice_ | pothibo_: huh |
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| 19:42.16 | alice_ | did u flush nat too |
| 19:42.17 | dff | mu-dev, so it's ~/bash_profile i need to edit? |
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| 19:42.22 | pothibo_ | alice_: yes |
| 19:42.23 | amikrop | Please, help. |
| 19:42.27 | alice_ | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 19:42.34 | pothibo_ | alice_: I'll reboot the server, brb |
| 19:42.40 | alice_ | i meant only filter |
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| 19:42.50 | jonaskoelker | dff: looks like it |
| 19:42.53 | pothibo_ | alice_: I did iptables --flush |
| 19:43.12 | jonaskoelker | pothibo_: for all four tables? |
| 19:43.28 | dff | im asking cause i when i copied bashrc from /etc/skel/ and edited it it used that, then i emptied it and rewrote it and it stopped |
| 19:43.32 | pothibo_ | jonaskoelker: well I think if you don't specify anything it flushes everything |
| 19:43.33 | dff | but ill go with the other file |
| 19:43.40 | dff | -i |
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| 19:43.48 | jmonreal | does anyone know what im asking? bc i really dont |
| 19:43.56 | amikrop | Please, help. |
| 19:44.14 | alice_ | pothibo_: iptables -t filter -F |
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| 19:46.25 | pothibo_ | back in! |
| 19:47.16 | GhostInTheShell | how to select a different repository for a package in aptitude from the command line? |
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| 19:51.05 | stew | GhostInTheShell: you have a version of a package you want to install, and multiple repositories that supply the same version of the same package, and you want to choose which repository to install from? is that correct? |
| 19:51.21 | elysium-os | How do I get apt-get to not automatically include "recommended" packages ( I am using Lenny ) ? For example, openafs-fileserver recommends ntp, but you should not run NTP in a VMware guest... |
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| 19:51.33 | pothibo_ | alice_: yeah it works , it was the forward rules |
| 19:51.41 | alice_ | pothibo_: :D |
| 19:51.42 | GhostInTheShell | stew: yes |
| 19:51.49 | stew | GhostInTheShell: edit sources.list and run aptitude update |
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| 19:52.21 | alice_ | pothibo_: now u know wat is wrong |
| 19:52.23 | alice_ | ;) |
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| 19:52.51 | GhostInTheShell | stew: i have debian-multimedia repository in my sources.list, i just want to install they version of libx264-dev |
| 19:53.11 | pothibo_ | alice_: haha yeah, just need to make this permanent and remember where I store my rules... |
| 19:53.24 | dff | jonaskoelker, changed the name, it isnt reading .bash_profile on login either |
| 19:53.28 | jonaskoelker | mu-dev: okay, I tried recording in audacity and playing back; nothing |
| 19:53.35 | stew | GhostInTheShell: aptitude install libx264-dev |
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| 19:53.52 | GhostInTheShell | hmm, so they also have an old version |
| 19:54.16 | stew | GhostInTheShell: if you want to install a particular version of a package, "aptitude install package=version" |
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| 19:54.30 | jonaskoelker | dff: start bash as a login shell (-i, I think) while strace'ing it; grep for calls to 'open("/home...' |
| 19:54.44 | GhostInTheShell | stew: i'm trying to compile MPlayer, but it complains about libx264 |
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| 19:55.05 | elysium-os | never mind! |
| 19:55.13 | ab3l_ | hi couldn't write on fat32 disk - debian 4 r5 xfce what'smssing ? |
| 19:55.18 | stew | GhostInTheShell: why are you trying to compile mplayer? |
| 19:55.20 | jonaskoelker | elysium-os: --without-recommends, iirc |
| 19:55.24 | jonaskoelker | oh well |
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| 19:55.41 | GhostInTheShell | stew: why not? |
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| 19:56.43 | GhostInTheShell | i allways use the debian packages, but i prefer to compile my mplayer |
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| 19:56.49 | rideh | freqency scaling not enabled on core2duo's in etch .5 by default? |
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| 19:56.52 | dff | jonaskoelker, heh that fucked things up abit, how do i return to the bash setting i had before |
| 19:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostInTheShell, because there's a perfectly ok package available |
| 19:57.06 | dff | i cant logout or exit now |
| 19:57.12 | stew | GhostInTheShell: are you recompiling the debian-multimedia mplayer package? |
| 19:57.15 | helo | what is a decent imap server in lenny? |
| 19:57.16 | jonaskoelker | dff: what did you do? |
| 19:57.31 | stew | helo: dovecot |
| 19:57.40 | dff | bash -i |
| 19:57.45 | GhostInTheShell | stew: nope, MPlayer from svn |
| 19:58.15 | jonaskoelker | dff: pstree, kill? |
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| 19:58.41 | stew | GhostInTheShell: why not recompile the mplayer from marillat? |
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| 19:59.10 | GhostInTheShell | well, since the svn version will not work, i will try it |
| 19:59.41 | rideh | debian is killing my battery :/ how do i make use of acpi and freq scaling? |
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| 20:00.06 | stew | GhostInTheShell: or use the debian-multimedia packaging with a newer version if you desire |
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| 20:00.17 | stew | (or just aptitude install mplayer) |
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| 20:01.45 | rideh | is there a new way of handling intel 4965 agn nic's? or still ndiswrapper? |
| 20:02.10 | hanez | hej, i have some problems on using debian on eeepc. when the eeepc is not connected to power the system makes a shutdown at bootime becaus of overheating to 144 degrees. this really is not true but it happens when it loads the cpufreq kernel module. am i missing something? |
| 20:02.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostInTheShell, at the very least install the build-dependencies of the mplayer-multimedia package before trying to compile... but svn might have different (additional) dependencies - you'll have to figure these out from ./configure output or rtfr from mplayer - normally they list the requirements (but that's got nothing to do with debian anymore) |
| 20:03.57 | jmonreal | how do I configure Xorg in debian? |
| 20:04.11 | GhostInTheShell | CutMeOwnThroat: it always worked, until today |
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| 20:04.17 | amikrop | How can I install mkfs.msdos? |
| 20:04.19 | jmonreal | the installation didnt recognize the video card |
| 20:04.25 | amikrop | It is not installed by default, in etch. |
| 20:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell jmonreal about drxx |
| 20:04.27 | jmonreal | how do i configure? |
| 20:04.31 | amikrop | !mkfs.msdos |
| 20:04.31 | dpkg | i guess mkfs.msdos is now in the dosfstools package |
| 20:04.39 | hanez | amikrop: dosutils or something like that |
| 20:04.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell amikrop about search |
| 20:04.48 | jmonreal | CutMeOwnThroat: drxx? |
| 20:05.00 | GhostInTheShell | a friend says that they changes some functions from the libx264 and that is why it breaks at compile time |
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| 20:05.06 | GhostInTheShell | *changed |
| 20:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmonreal, you have a private message from dpkg - read that |
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| 20:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmonreal, you can /msg dpkg <someterm> on words that are written in <brackets> within the factoids to get further information |
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| 20:07.56 | helo | stew: good recommendation... |
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| 20:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmonreal, if you're having problems with all the configurations you try, give more informatin - what card, what driver did you try, output of X in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and/or possibly dmesg|tail after loading a kernel module (? - e.g. nvidia - which requires more) etc. etc. |
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| 20:11.15 | tmm1 | can i blacklist a deb so its not installable? |
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| 20:12.16 | ceil420 | why would debian only see one of my cpus two cores, and 881 of my 2x2GB ram? |
| 20:12.24 | ceil420 | 881mb* |
| 20:12.48 | ceil420 | BIOS correctly detects both |
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| 20:13.12 | cahoot | ceil420: got a 486 kernel? |
| 20:13.18 | SQlvpapir_ | ceil420: what are you using to fill up the memory? |
| 20:13.26 | SQlvpapir_ | ah nvm |
| 20:13.40 | cahoot | ceil420: uname -r |
| 20:13.41 | ceil420 | yeah cahoot |
| 20:13.43 | ceil420 | :x |
| 20:13.55 | cahoot | ceil420: get a 686 kernel |
| 20:14.14 | ceil420 | i won't have to reinstall the whole distro will i? |
| 20:14.18 | cahoot | no |
| 20:14.26 | ceil420 | i dunno how changing kernel types would affect installed programs |
| 20:14.40 | cahoot | ceil420: aptitude searc linux-image - choose |
| 20:14.41 | ceil420 | can i get a 64-bit kernel, or is that asking too much? :x |
| 20:15.01 | cahoot | ceil420: that would mean reinstall |
| 20:15.02 | SQlvpapir_ | just install linux-image-2.6.*-686 |
| 20:15.18 | cahoot | ceil420: unless you build one yourself |
| 20:15.21 | ceil420 | thought so, but 64-bit isn't as critical to me as dual core and all my RAM |
| 20:15.22 | SQlvpapir_ | ye ofc |
| 20:15.35 | ceil420 | you mean i can just build a 64-bit kernel and use it without reinstalling? |
| 20:15.43 | SQlvpapir_ | no |
| 20:15.55 | cahoot | yes |
| 20:15.59 | ceil420 | blinks |
| 20:16.00 | SQlvpapir_ | huh? |
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| 20:16.12 | ceil420 | which one of you is sure? :x |
| 20:16.28 | cahoot | or rather a kernel built for a 64 bit cpu |
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| 20:17.44 | ceil420 | why couldn't i apt-get one? just cos i installed an x86 image of debian? |
| 20:18.27 | cahoot | ceil420: in my experience that's not possible |
| 20:18.53 | ceil420 | p linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 20:19.02 | ceil420 | ^=- came up in that aptitude search; it wouldn't work? |
| 20:19.09 | cahoot | try |
| 20:19.55 | ceil420 | installs linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 20:19.56 | mphill | no, 32-bit apps handle memory differently then 64 |
| 20:20.03 | ceil420 | wait, what? |
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| 20:20.25 | ceil420 | mphill, so i wouldn't be able to use this kernel? |
| 20:20.28 | mphill | you can run 32 bit binaries on a 64 bit os. |
| 20:20.31 | ceil420 | (without reinstalling everything) |
| 20:20.46 | mphill | but all your userland utilities will be 32 bit |
| 20:20.46 | ceil420 | so i can, but it really wouldn't be a benefit until i install 64-bit programs? |
| 20:20.52 | ceil420 | ah |
| 20:21.06 | mphill | i've heard of people doing it |
| 20:21.08 | SQlvpapir_ | just go with the 686 unless you go with a clean install |
| 20:21.19 | mphill | but just tar -c your ~ |
| 20:21.19 | SQlvpapir_ | thats teh safe way |
| 20:21.26 | mphill | and reinstall |
| 20:21.29 | ceil420 | ~ is on it's own partition |
| 20:21.37 | mphill | you are money then |
| 20:21.46 | mphill | switching between them is trvial |
| 20:21.55 | ceil420 | but i don't wanna have to reinstall blender 'n' xchat 'n' iceweasel 'n' gkrellm 'n' xfce4-terminal 'n' e16 etc :x |
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| 20:22.18 | jmonreal | debian etch doesnt startx with i915 dirver, only with vesa |
| 20:22.21 | jmonreal | waht can it be? |
| 20:22.29 | ceil420 | it may be something i can do later this weekend, but right now i just want the aformentioned gkrellm to stop telling me i've got one cpu and 1/5th of my RAM :x |
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| 20:22.38 | Orion_X11 | is gnome 2.24 in debian repos? |
| 20:22.41 | ceil420 | thanks for the help everyone o/ |
| 20:22.55 | ceil420 | Orion_X11, Candidate: 1:2.22.2~5 |
| 20:23.04 | ceil420 | that's from sid |
| 20:23.23 | ceil420 | in the future, apt-cache policy packagename |
| 20:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmonreal, there's also the i810 driver... |
| 20:24.34 | jmonreal | yeps |
| 20:24.38 | jmonreal | im using that one |
| 20:24.40 | jmonreal | i810 |
| 20:24.43 | jmonreal | as driver |
| 20:24.46 | jmonreal | in the section of xorg.conf |
| 20:24.51 | jmonreal | but as module |
| 20:24.54 | jmonreal | is the i915 |
| 20:24.55 | jmonreal | right? |
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| 20:25.19 | Orion_X11 | ceil420: When it is there will we still be using etch/testing? |
| 20:25.47 | ceil420 | i think Lenny's only a few months out now |
| 20:26.20 | Orion_X11 | my gnome has a bug in shutdown button and I'd like to upgrade it |
| 20:26.23 | jmonreal | CutMeOwnThroat: the same problem |
| 20:26.40 | ceil420 | puh, button |
| 20:26.42 | ceil420 | man shutdown |
| 20:26.43 | ceil420 | :p |
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| 20:27.52 | Clooth | http://avrillavignenude.info/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=6ff0353bcdb35ae7f512d84864918da2 |
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| 20:28.04 | Orion_X11 | ceil420: I cant logout, switch user, reboot or shutdown with that button and when I click that my system freezes :-( |
| 20:28.32 | dustybin | is there a way to get a whole directory from local using the ftp command? |
| 20:28.32 | ceil420 | Orion_X11, can you ctrl+alt+backspace to gdm and use it's 'Action' button instead? |
| 20:29.03 | ceil420 | can wget not work with ftprotocol? |
| 20:29.14 | ranix | wget can do ftp |
| 20:29.19 | SQlvpapir_ | yup |
| 20:29.29 | ceil420 | man wget :) |
| 20:29.39 | dustybin | interesting |
| 20:29.45 | DeadFishMan | dustybin: ncftp also can be used to fetch files recursively |
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| 20:30.02 | dustybin | lftp doesnt work with this server |
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| 20:30.13 | Orion_X11 | ceil420: too much annoyance, because people cannot open other workplace, but only one at a time |
| 20:30.14 | dustybin | DeadFishMan: ill try |
| 20:30.15 | DeadFishMan | dustybin: But I also would go with wget :) |
| 20:30.25 | ranix | wget is hot shit |
| 20:30.31 | dustybin | ok frank |
| 20:30.35 | ceil420 | Orion_X11, can people use the shutdown command in a terminal? |
| 20:30.37 | ranix | has been for 30 years now |
| 20:30.57 | DeadFishMan | wget is that old? o_O |
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| 20:31.17 | Orion_X11 | ceil420: only root can shutdown in terminal |
| 20:31.21 | dustybin | i dont want to get, i want to put |
| 20:31.23 | ranix | ok not quite. 13 years |
| 20:31.33 | dustybin | wput maybe |
| 20:31.35 | dustybin | :P |
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| 20:31.54 | ceil420 | then don't use buggy gnome :p |
| 20:32.28 | SQlvpapir_ | try forcing a reinstallation |
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| 20:33.07 | DeadFishMan | dustybin: standard ftp has a mput command but I don't think that it can handle directories recursively. In that case, I'd try with ncftp |
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| 20:34.34 | pumpkin_ | i need a program like fdupes, but with a little twist: it should hardlink the dupes together... anyone? |
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| 20:35.40 | dustybin | ncftp ftw |
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| 20:37.50 | afrosheen | I have a ton of users that want root privileges to build software on a server, what's a safe way to approach this |
| 20:38.14 | SQlvpapir_ | selinux |
| 20:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmonreal, there are also i810 and i915 kernel modules, there's /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/i810-HOWTO.gz as well (doc-linux-text package) btw (but probably outdated(?)) - but nobody here can really help you if you're not telling us the exact hardware and the output of the logs I asked you about above |
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| 20:38.34 | pumpkin_ | afrosheen, why should they need root for building the software ...? gcc runs just fine as user. |
| 20:38.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | afrosheen, you need root to build software? |
| 20:38.54 | carl-m | Noticing http://search.debian.org seems to redirect to the getting debian page |
| 20:39.08 | afrosheen | pumpkin_, they're building in /opt, a root filesystem for an embedded device, they claim they need to be root to do this but I have my doubts |
| 20:39.24 | ranix | afrosheen: have them chroot |
| 20:39.45 | ranix | afrosheen: or tell them to stop being nubs |
| 20:39.59 | ranix | afrosheen: there's no way you need to be root to cross-compile |
| 20:40.03 | pumpkin_ | afrosheen, a user NEVER touches these directories for building. |
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| 20:40.21 | helo | i bet /opt is where the embedded device's filesystem is mounted... |
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| 20:40.27 | afrosheen | that's what I figured, when someone tells me they must be root to build, I raise an eyebrow |
| 20:40.47 | afrosheen | helo, /opt is where the toolchain for the build is unpacked |
| 20:40.57 | ranix | afrosheen: strike them down with the fist of an angry god |
| 20:41.03 | ceil420 | w00t two cores and 3.21GiB usable RAM \o/ |
| 20:41.17 | ceil420 | thanks @ the three that told me to use 686 |
| 20:41.34 | pumpkin_ | afrosheen, unpack the compiler for them, but don't let them become root. |
| 20:41.39 | ranix | ceil420: sounds like you need a 64 bit kernel |
| 20:41.42 | ceil420 | now i just need to find a way to make e16 stop forgetting about ~/.e16/wallpapers every time i start it >< |
| 20:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | afrosheen, you really don't say what your setup is - if it's big enough, you want to offer virtual root accounts... but then #debian would not be the right place to ask, I guess |
| 20:41.47 | pumpkin_ | ceil420, or PAE |
| 20:42.28 | afrosheen | CutMeOwnThroat, nobody asked :), it's a debian 4 box with a handful of user accounts on it and locked VNC sesions with some samba magic for exporting user homes |
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| 20:42.41 | ceil420 | ranix, i do, but i was having issues with X freezing up and after multiple installs, "Debian Lenny i386 netinst 2008-10-04" is the only one that didn't crash :x |
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| 20:42.58 | ceil420 | pumpkin_, i can live with 3.2gb for now |
| 20:43.11 | ranix | ceil420: bizarre |
| 20:43.22 | afrosheen | CutMeOwnThroat, all they're doing with this server is 1. keeping their own bucket with CVS access to the codebase and 2. building software with a toolchain from one of our partners |
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| 20:43.38 | ceil420 | ranix, it may have something to do with my having just done a base install with the other two debian discs and an ubuntu one i had and apt-getting from there |
| 20:43.49 | jmonreal | CutMeOwnThroat: it says Fatal server error: |
| 20:43.49 | jmonreal | no screens found |
| 20:43.49 | jmonreal | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 20:43.49 | jmonreal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:43.58 | ceil420 | i installed the 'Desktop' package with this netinst, and later removed gnome |
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| 20:44.26 | ranix | afrosheen: is that a tsarm crosstool? |
| 20:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | afrosheen, well, if you all trust them, giving them root access would be a non-issue also :) - although it'd make things much more difficult to track down when you should ever get cracked |
| 20:44.40 | ceil420 | installed size atm is 2.63GiB (was as low as 2.1 iirc) as opposed to a base install's 485mb + 350 more for a DE, but it hasn't frozen on me yet :p |
| 20:44.55 | ranix | afrosheen: mine is also installed to opt by default - you can chown the crosstool recursively to the owned user, or move the crosstool directory. All paths are relative |
| 20:44.59 | ceil420 | i don't know what packages i was leaving out with my base install+apt-getting, but i got 'em now |
| 20:45.17 | ranix | afrosheen: also if that IS a tsarm platform you can actually call the engineers with stupid questions like that |
| 20:45.23 | afrosheen | CutMeOwnThroat, this server will never see the outside world...but I agree, having a handful of code geeks with root access to a server I'm responsible for is a recipe for disaster |
| 20:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | afrosheen, so you don't trust them :) |
| 20:45.56 | afrosheen | never trust users :) |
| 20:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 20:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm a user in some places and would want people to trust me then.... |
| 20:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, although they shouldn't :-P |
| 20:46.43 | jmonreal | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/d53b94625 thats the outpunt log |
| 20:46.47 | ranix | I am an admin everywhere I go ;) |
| 20:47.08 | afrosheen | ranix, not sure what toolchain they're using, wonder if I could find out |
| 20:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | .... like in "one security hole and I'm admin"? :) |
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| 20:47.28 | alice_ | brb |
| 20:47.38 | afrosheen | CutMeOwnThroat, or in "physical access and I'm an admin" :) |
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| 20:47.48 | ranix | afrosheen: do you have a /opt/crosstool/arm-linux/gcc-3.3.4-glibc-2.3.2/man/ |
| 20:47.51 | ranix | or similar |
| 20:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | afrosheen, hehe - I know that one as "screwdriver wins" |
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| 20:48.09 | ceil420 | ...no way did that shit just happen |
| 20:48.11 | ceil420 | X just locked up -_- |
| 20:48.16 | ceil420 | and i'm starting to think it's 686's fault ;x |
| 20:48.27 | afrosheen | ranix, nope but I see uclubc, mips-uclibc-tools and some other stuff in here |
| 20:48.35 | afrosheen | so it's definitely a non-native compile |
| 20:48.37 | ranix | afrosheen: that tells me plenty |
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| 20:48.47 | ranix | afrosheen: definitely not the same as what I'm working on |
| 20:48.53 | ranix | afrosheen: probably they're building for a ps2/3 |
| 20:49.11 | afrosheen | I know exactly what they're building for but it's proprietary hardware |
| 20:49.16 | enouf | ceil420: that's what you get for creating frankenstein installs via mixing distros |
| 20:49.16 | ranix | ah |
| 20:49.32 | ceil420 | i didn't mix distros |
| 20:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmonreal, so which kernel module was loaded with this one and what card is it exactly? ("lsmod |grep i[98]" for the kernel module - "/msg dpkg what is my hardware" here if you don't know what the card is exactly) |
| 20:49.35 | plb | So I had Nvidia HDMI audio working on my HTPC last Friday, then on Tuesday after a reboot it stopped. I can see the HDMI device fine with aplay -l, but no digital outputs are displayed under aplay -L. |
| 20:49.36 | ranix | I didn't know anyone was still using mips |
| 20:49.58 | afrosheen | oh yeah, still big in the embedded space |
| 20:50.13 | enouf | then i misunderstood what you said about ubuntu above - oh well |
| 20:50.23 | afrosheen | hmm, this build script also mentions ARM |
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| 20:50.32 | ceil420 | i removed ubuntu and installed this |
| 20:50.39 | djdarkman | hello, why does my usd drive get mounted by me and I don't have permission to write to it? |
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| 20:51.12 | ranix | djdarkman: chect /etc/fstab and make sure it has the user option |
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| 20:51.45 | jmonreal | CutMeOwnThroat: lsmod |grep i915 > module is i915 drm |
| 20:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmonreal, "no device found" obviously means that this xorg-module is not recognizing your hardware as an i810 card... you might want to check if the kernel module recognizes it - for that, unload the module (rmmod i810-something (check lsmod for the exact name) and load it again with modprobe <module-name> - then check with dmesg | tail what the module said on load - try for both, i810 and i915 kernel modules if they're both |
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| 20:52.34 | afrosheen | well thanks for the tips guys, I'll do some more investigation |
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| 20:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmonreal, with the exact name for your graphics card you can also google wich kernel-module and which xorg module you exactly need (or perhaps you card is just not supported yet and you're stuck with vesa for now) |
| 20:53.47 | jmonreal | i have 30 computers with the same arquitecture |
| 20:53.51 | jmonreal | and in ubuntu |
| 20:53.55 | jmonreal | the module es i915 |
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| 20:54.05 | khaleel5000 | dpkg ping |
| 20:54.05 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | laters |
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| 20:55.05 | ranix | 15:48 < jmonreal> and in ubuntu |
| 20:55.09 | sterna | re |
| 20:55.13 | ranix | jmonreal: my condolences |
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| 20:55.31 | sterna | does anyone know of a tool that could replay http requests? |
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| 20:55.45 | SQlvpapir_ | wireshark |
| 20:55.46 | sterna | from a tcpdump capture or somesuch previously obtained sample |
| 20:55.47 | SQlvpapir_ | prolly |
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| 20:56.08 | SQlvpapir_ | tcpreplay |
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| 20:56.15 | djdarkman | I still don't have permission to write a flash drive.... how come it doesn't mount correctly? |
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| 20:56.31 | sterna | tcpreplay seems to not support these |
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| 20:57.12 | ceil420 | hopes xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4.2-9 helps |
| 20:57.30 | BCM43 | Hi, I am trying to figure out how to send audio from one computer to another using only command line. I was here before and netcat was suggested, but I need some help implementing it. |
| 20:57.38 | djdarkman | and one half of the programs use sudo(mostly gnome) and another half asks for root password(kde apps), how can I make everything to use sudo, and remove the root user? and how can I make the mounting of a flash drive work correctly? |
| 20:57.46 | ranix | BCM43: it's always a good time to learn netcat |
| 20:57.58 | ceil420 | ..remove the root user? |
| 20:58.05 | BCM43 | ranix: ok |
| 20:58.13 | \amethyst | you never remove root, you just make it so that root can't log in |
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| 20:58.34 | djdarkman | yeah I meant that, I want root to be only accessible via sudo |
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| 20:58.49 | ranix | djdarkman: set root's console to /bin/false |
| 20:59.19 | ranix | shell! shell. Change his shell to /bin/false |
| 20:59.27 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:59.30 | ranix | adduser can do this |
| 20:59.32 | \amethyst | that might not be a good idea |
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| 20:59.44 | ranix | \amethyst: it's a fine idea |
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| 21:00.36 | mu-dev | BCM43: you mean in real time? |
| 21:00.51 | BCM43 | mu-dev: yes |
| 21:01.13 | djdarkman | ok but what can I do to make the newly mounted flash drives writable by default? |
| 21:01.16 | BCM43 | mu-dev: i need to be able to insert a cd and have it play on a few other computers on the network |
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| 21:01.39 | hellues | hey |
| 21:02.00 | mu-dev | ok, howbout a streaming audio server/client |
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| 21:02.13 | BCM43 | mu-dev: sure |
| 21:02.18 | BCM43 | how would i do that? |
| 21:02.39 | SQlvpapir_ | BCM43: what is your input? |
| 21:02.41 | mu-dev | find a list of streaming softeare |
| 21:02.45 | hellues | i have acer aspire 5720 g ,i am using debian lenny with compiz.I have a problem in my fan.I guess it works slowly and my machine become hot as the time pass by.How can i control fan in debian ? |
| 21:02.46 | mu-dev | pick one to try |
| 21:02.59 | BCM43 | i need to do this from command line |
| 21:03.04 | BCM43 | SQlvpapir_: a cd |
| 21:03.25 | SQlvpapir_ | you could prolly just grep it directly |
| 21:03.27 | BCM43 | anybody have an idea of the simplest? |
| 21:03.29 | mu-dev | SQlvpapir_: 16 bit stereo at 44.1khz sample rate (i.e., cd quality) |
| 21:03.47 | mu-dev | BCM43: start forming a list of them |
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| 21:04.05 | mu-dev | look into them |
| 21:04.12 | BCM43 | mu-dev: vlc, netcat, nettee, |
| 21:04.25 | dff | dont forget shoutcast! |
| 21:04.30 | dff | but that sucks balls |
| 21:04.30 | hellues | are there a software to control fan in debian |
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| 21:05.02 | DigBigBro | Great Debian stuff on http://www.digbigbrotherjenson.be , get involved now ! |
| 21:05.52 | SQlvpapir_ | BCM43: just out of interest, what is the scenario? |
| 21:05.57 | mu-dev | DigBigBro: so annoying... could you go to vegas and take a dump in the middle of the street instead of doing its equivalent here? |
| 21:06.27 | DigBigBro | <messenger> 22:06:08 -> hit -> 195.47.247.149 / srv99.one.com |
| 21:06.31 | DigBigBro | i'm trying something |
| 21:06.31 | hellues | do you know any way to control fan |
| 21:06.42 | DigBigBro | ... needed to see some ip's :P |
| 21:06.57 | mu-dev | so you're trolling for IPs |
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| 21:07.37 | DigBigBro | nah not really , could you bother and send a message through the message chat so i can verify it's working |
| 21:07.48 | BCM43 | SQlvpapir_: I am at a small school where there is no bell in between classes, so we use music. Unfortunately the boombox is not loud enough to send the music all around the school, so i am setting up some old imacs to do it for me. |
| 21:08.08 | mu-dev | who me? no, I'd rather not offer my IP |
| 21:08.34 | DigBigBro | <messenger> 22:08:21 -> hit -> 85.96.157.103 / dsl.dynamic8596157103.ttnet.net.tr |
| 21:08.35 | BCM43 | mine is 88.197.198.177 |
| 21:08.36 | DigBigBro | who's this :D |
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| 21:09.15 | mu-dev | DigBigBro: actually I do have one for ya... 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:09.16 | SQlvpapir_ | if that is the case just make a nfs/ftp share, mount it and make sure the readahead (i.e. cache) is big enough |
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| 21:09.29 | DigBigBro | mu-dev, haha , it's there all the time :D |
| 21:09.37 | DigBigBro | mu-dev, what's it for , it won't resolv |
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| 21:09.48 | BCM43 | mine is 88.197.198.177 |
| 21:09.48 | mu-dev | or howbout warez.blackdown.org |
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| 21:09.58 | jmonreal | ranix: in ubuntu no problem |
| 21:10.03 | jmonreal | but i need to install debian |
| 21:10.35 | SQlvpapir_ | BCM43: but that ofcause requires you to rip the cd (can be done losslessly) |
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| 21:11.03 | meeero | how to append a & to send a process into background after executing it with `for` in a bash? when i try 'for i in 1 2 3; do \ (newline) echo foo & \ (newline) echo foobar & \ (newline) ; done |
| 21:11.09 | johndoe | do you guys of any program that can show detailed info about an image, like basic type, encoding, bpp, etc. |
| 21:11.18 | BCM43 | SQlvpapir_: no, i do not have time to rip it, i need to do a regular play |
| 21:11.18 | meeero | ...it returns an error. but not appending that very last & makes it work |
| 21:11.25 | mu-dev | if this is just a signal, then you don't actually need to send audio |
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| 21:11.47 | DigBigBro | nmap -T Aggressive -v -n 85.96.157.103 ... someone's gonna get it tonight lol ! |
| 21:11.48 | abrotman | johndoe: gui or cli ? |
| 21:12.05 | johndoe | abrotman: doesnt matter, as long as it gives good info |
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| 21:12.33 | abrotman | johndoe: ISTR that eog and feh do that .. though it ultimately depends on the filetype and the creator/creation tool |
| 21:12.39 | meeero | any ideas? i really need this til 22:20 :P |
| 21:12.45 | johndoe | abrotman: ISTR? |
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| 21:13.12 | abrotman | I Seem To Recall |
| 21:13.24 | hc | meeero: good luck, then |
| 21:13.25 | cahoot | johndoe: imagemagick certainly does - might be overkill |
| 21:13.27 | abrotman | meeero: ask #bash |
| 21:13.49 | meeero | ohw, didn't know about that channel |
| 21:13.49 | johndoe | cahoot: the stronger overkill, the happier i am :) thanks |
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| 21:14.10 | ranix | BCM43: I am playing with netcat for you |
| 21:14.38 | ranix | BCM43: I am having trouble actually getting the audio. cat /dev/audio gives you raw audio - from the microphone |
| 21:14.51 | ranix | BCM43: cat /dev/dsp just gives the same thing, but in mu-law format |
| 21:15.03 | BCM43 | ranix: ok, thanks |
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| 21:15.14 | cahoot | just use any player |
| 21:15.16 | ranix | BCM43: if it's possible to actually intercept the audio output you can redirect with netcat and I can show you how |
| 21:15.37 | ranix | BCM43: but I think that's not possible without an actual DAC passthrough or something |
| 21:15.57 | BCM43 | ok |
| 21:16.06 | BCM43 | ranix: this is what i was trying to use: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/145 |
| 21:17.12 | ranix | BCM43: ah yes, you could redirect audio output from, say, madplay that way |
| 21:17.32 | ranix | BCM43: on host, madplay foo.mp3 | nc -l -p 4444 |
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| 21:17.52 | BCM43 | ranix: would it work if i wanted to use it from command line and a cd? |
| 21:17.58 | ranix | BCM43: on client, nc 192.168.1.101 > /dev/audio |
| 21:18.03 | BCM43 | oh |
| 21:18.30 | ranix | BCM43: you would just get a command line cd player that outputs raw and either redirect to /dev/audio or just let it do its thing with alsa |
| 21:18.30 | jmonreal | hey guys I changed to lenny and now everything works! odd, since etch suppose to be stable |
| 21:18.43 | ranix | BCM43: unless your CD actually DOES contain raw .wav |
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| 21:18.45 | SQlvpapir_ | jmonreal: lenny is frozen |
| 21:18.52 | BCM43 | ranix: no |
| 21:18.58 | ranix | BCM43: in which you could actually DD from the CD to /dev/audio |
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| 21:19.04 | ranix | and by DD I mean dd |
| 21:19.39 | jmonreal | SQlvpapir_: what do you mean by frozen? |
| 21:19.54 | SQlvpapir_ | jmonreal: like in frozen.. |
| 21:20.03 | abrotman | jmonreal: didn't i suggest that hours ago? |
| 21:20.04 | abrotman | !frozen |
| 21:20.05 | dpkg | it has been said that frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
| 21:20.16 | abrotman | !tell jmonreal about lenny status |
| 21:20.18 | jmonreal | abrotman: yeps |
| 21:20.32 | BCM43 | ranix: one sec, all of the audio i have on the computer is .wav |
| 21:20.43 | jmonreal | abrotman: but i had everyting ok but video card |
| 21:20.50 | jmonreal | and now i remember it |
| 21:20.54 | maligor | ranix, you mean /dev/dsp? |
| 21:20.56 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:21.04 | hellues | i found a package acerfand.anyone use this ? |
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| 21:21.07 | jmonreal | but if its frozen that means that there will be no packages for lenny? |
| 21:21.16 | SQlvpapir_ | lol |
| 21:21.20 | maligor | and dsp would require the audio to match the default settings of /dev/dsp :P |
| 21:21.27 | jmonreal | abrotman: ?? |
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| 21:22.57 | epsilon | !anyone |
| 21:22.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 21:24.08 | jmonreal | but lenny == unstable?? |
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| 21:24.21 | epsilon | no |
| 21:24.26 | cryptw | !popcorn |
| 21:24.27 | dpkg | pours a bag of popcorn into foka's lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about "popcon") |
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| 21:24.50 | BCM43 | ranix: do i need to use madplay to play it? |
| 21:24.53 | cryptw | !ask-to-ask |
| 21:24.53 | dpkg | from memory, ask-to-ask is Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
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| 21:26.03 | MadWax | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.12 | SubsonicB | hi i dont know how to change locale and console characters (in a console, i-e doing alt+ctrl+F1, F", etc...), if I open a terminal emulator (konsole) it does work ok since I have the KDE environment configured for the locale es_ES, but in "pure" console it does not show spanisch characters, like accents, and the ñ |
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| 21:26.42 | SubsonicB | i think its some setting in my .bashrc but I dont know which one |
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| 21:28.21 | BCM43 | ranix: it is not working |
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| 21:28.35 | ranix | BCM43: I successfully piped my microphone (cat /dev/audio | nc -l) over the network and into another computer (nc ip address > /dev/audio) |
| 21:28.42 | ranix | BCM43: that's as far as I got for ya |
| 21:28.49 | BCM43 | ranix: wow |
| 21:28.55 | BCM43 | ranix: what commands? |
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| 21:29.10 | ranix | BCM43: cat /dev/audio | nc -l -p 4444 |
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| 21:29.24 | ranix | BCM43: and on the client, nc 192.168.0.20 > /dev/audio |
| 21:29.26 | clyphox | lol netcat rawks |
| 21:29.41 | clyphox | i backuped a whole server with it last week |
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| 21:29.44 | ranix | BCM43: you could learn a bit about stdin and stdout and pipe |
| 21:29.52 | maligor | ranix, what system has /dev/audio? |
| 21:29.54 | ranix | BCM43: I'm sure someone else here can !dpkg you some useful info |
| 21:29.59 | BCM43 | ranix: ok, thanks |
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| 21:30.04 | ranix | maligor: /dev/audio is uncompressed wav from alsa |
| 21:30.11 | ranix | maligor: /dev/dsp is mu-law audio compression |
| 21:30.22 | ranix | maligor: alsa kicks ass |
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| 21:31.16 | maligor | heh, don't have that device (or known about it), and I even submitted (albeit a minor) patch to alsa |
| 21:31.26 | maligor | was pretty sure all of alsa was hosted in /dev/snd/* |
| 21:31.28 | BCM43 | ranix: i get no port[s] to connect to on the client |
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| 21:32.14 | chordogg | i just realized you can echo into /dev/dsp and hear audio....that's awesome. i love linux, haha |
| 21:32.22 | ranix | bcm sorry, client is nc 192.168.0.20 4444 > /dev/audio |
| 21:32.22 | chordogg | cat* |
| 21:32.47 | ranix | chordogg: into is to speakers, out from is from microphone |
| 21:32.57 | ranix | chordogg: so you can do some pretty nasty shit with that |
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| 21:33.13 | chordogg | ranix: that is so cool....i'm going to write a program that outputs a sin wave just for the heck of it |
| 21:33.25 | jimcooncat | if I use xfs for / partition, do I have to have a separate /boot? |
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| 21:33.54 | maligor | ranix, erhm, it seems /dev/audio is sun, and it accept uLaw |
| 21:33.56 | SubsonicB | just found this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 21:36.42 | SubsonicB | and then (sudo) dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 21:37.37 | johndoe | cahoot: file is the thing i was looking for =) |
| 21:38.16 | maplebed | \o/ magic! |
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| 21:39.22 | BCM43 | ranix: there is no /dev/audio or /dev/dsp on my system |
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| 21:40.06 | abrotman | did you setup alsa .. at all? |
| 21:40.35 | abrotman | jimcooncat: i don't think that's the case anymore .. easy enough to test though |
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| 21:41.22 | jimcooncat | thanks abrotman. easy for you I guess :-) |
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| 21:43.39 | maligor | mhm, /dev/audio or /dev/dsp aren't alsa as such |
| 21:43.56 | abrotman | jimcooncat: use qemu or virtualbox to test |
| 21:43.57 | maligor | they're compability devices from sun and oss |
| 21:44.14 | abrotman | snd_pcm_oss is the alsa emulation device |
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| 21:46.12 | jimcooncat | abrotman: good idea. I got virtualbox set up downstairs |
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| 21:46.28 | abrotman | see .. i have good ideas sometimes! |
| 21:46.46 | SQlvpapir_ | so did stalin |
| 21:46.51 | jimcooncat | did not doubt |
| 21:47.11 | maligor | I'm sure bush did also ;) |
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| 21:48.22 | BCM43 | ranix: if i cat an audio file into /dev/audio all i get is static. |
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| 21:49.09 | clyphox | cat a wav afaik |
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| 21:49.16 | clyphox | its a raw socket |
| 21:49.17 | mphill | I think it needs to be PCM |
| 21:49.29 | clyphox | indeed |
| 21:49.32 | BCM43 | clyphox: i tried a wav to i tink |
| 21:49.35 | BCM43 | **think |
| 21:49.38 | maligor | all the docs I see claim /dev/audio wants mu-Law |
| 21:50.16 | clyphox | what r u tring 2 do? |
| 21:50.50 | hmann | how can i hack my fathers disk encryption?? he's using cryptsetup |
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| 21:50.50 | BCM43 | i did cat /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav > /dev/audio and got static |
| 21:51.03 | hmann | how to try bruteforce? |
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| 21:51.10 | clyphox | oss/alsa? |
| 21:51.19 | BCM43 | clyphox: : I am at a small school where there is no bell in between classes, so we use music. Unfortunately the boombox is not loud enough to send the music all around the school, so i am setting up some old imacs to do it for me. |
| 21:51.50 | hmann | anyone? |
| 21:52.00 | clyphox | hmann: bruteforce whay? |
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| 21:52.21 | hmann | i need the data on the encrypted partition |
| 21:52.30 | clyphox | BCM43: yer trying to get audio out an imac right? |
| 21:52.33 | BCM43 | yes |
| 21:53.05 | clyphox | BCM43: ok so whats it runnin? |
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| 21:53.09 | BCM43 | clyphox: debian |
| 21:53.27 | BCM43 | clyphox: with no graphical |
| 21:53.34 | clyphox | thats cool, dont need it |
| 21:53.40 | clyphox | lsmod |
| 21:53.49 | clyphox | is the driver oss or alsa? |
| 21:54.27 | BCM43 | clyphox: oss |
| 21:54.31 | hmann | life sucks without real vaginas |
| 21:54.32 | clyphox | okie doles |
| 21:54.37 | clyphox | ls -l /dev/audio |
| 21:55.26 | BCM43 | crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 4 2008-10-30 08:57 /dev/audio |
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| 21:55.50 | maligor | aplay to cron? |
| 21:55.57 | clyphox | it should be linked to dsp |
| 21:56.27 | clyphox | BCM43: odd, look it's changed heh |
| 21:56.37 | clyphox | BCM43: try catting a WAV into it |
| 21:56.42 | BCM43 | on second thought, it is a smd power mac |
| 21:56.44 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 21:56.44 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 21:56.47 | clyphox | BCM43: or apt-get install play |
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| 21:57.07 | clyphox | play will handle mp3's at least |
| 21:57.11 | rideh | is there a trick to using flash with iceweasel? |
| 21:57.16 | BCM43 | i can play sound on them |
| 21:57.18 | clyphox | if u got static out the card thats a good thing |
| 21:57.20 | BCM43 | with aplay |
| 21:57.24 | clyphox | ahh ok |
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| 21:58.10 | defrysk | rideh, maybe add the debian multimedia repo ? |
| 21:58.49 | rideh | i was just installing via install missing plugins |
| 21:58.53 | rideh | i'll try that |
| 21:59.09 | BCM43 | i need to send it throughout the network and someone ranix told me to cat it and send it over the network via nc |
| 21:59.30 | BCM43 | ** delete somone |
| 21:59.40 | clyphox | rideh: how is it encrypted? |
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| 21:59.53 | clyphox | BCM43: yeah u can net cat it |
| 22:00.16 | BCM43 | clyphox: but cating it to /dev/audio just gets me static |
| 22:00.37 | rideh | clyphox: dunno its built into a service i'm running on the machine - sugarcrm |
| 22:00.45 | clyphox | BCM43: lets work this in a thread, on the source of the sounds.. the format is? |
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| 22:01.06 | BCM43 | clyphox: i've tried both .mp3 and .wav |
| 22:01.43 | clyphox | BCM43: u can remotely do an audio server with esound i believe actually |
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| 22:01.56 | BCM43 | via command line? |
| 22:01.57 | clyphox | BCM43: we may not need to re-invent the wheel (as fun as it is) |
| 22:02.04 | BCM43 | lol |
| 22:02.24 | clyphox | BCM43: more like, set the client<->server up and when u play a file somewhere else it spits it out the server |
| 22:02.41 | BCM43 | clyphox: i was piping sound from one to the other via pulseaudio but i could not send a cd to pulse |
| 22:03.17 | helo | how do i turn debugging symbols for gdb on? |
| 22:03.47 | ranix | BCM43: cds are in cd audio format |
| 22:04.03 | ranix | BCM43: you'll need a file to turn it into wave or pcm |
| 22:04.08 | ranix | BCM43: ehr, a program |
| 22:04.12 | helo | err doh |
| 22:04.20 | ranix | BCM43: cdplay is a debian package for playing cds iirc |
| 22:04.39 | ranix | BCM43: part of the cdtools package? |
| 22:04.40 | BCM43 | ranix: sending .wav files does not work either |
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| 22:05.12 | ranix | BCM43: as I'm no longer at work I can't proplerly play with it. What you really want is simply a cd playing program |
| 22:05.13 | BCM43 | i have cdtool |
| 22:05.25 | ranix | BCM43: try running the 'cdplay' command |
| 22:05.34 | BCM43 | it gives me sound |
| 22:05.39 | ranix | BCM43: rad |
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| 22:06.29 | BCM43 | ranix: does not help me, i need to find a way to send it over the network |
| 22:06.52 | pablo | hi, i am on debian lenny, with alsa (libasound2) but hear no sound. which may the problem be? |
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| 22:10.05 | ranix | pablo: your speakers are off |
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| 22:10.39 | BCM43 | ranix: any other ideas? |
| 22:11.57 | amphi | !tell pablo -about alsa checklist |
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| 22:13.25 | ranix | BCM43: just rip the cd to mp3 |
| 22:13.42 | ranix | BCM43: we're a little low level for cd audio |
| 22:13.56 | ranix | BCM43: we just want a utility to output the right sound to stdout |
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| 22:14.16 | BCM43 | ranix: i can't, i need to be able to insert the cd an have i play like a boom boc |
| 22:14.18 | BCM43 | **boc |
| 22:14.21 | BCM43 | **box |
| 22:14.37 | ranix | BCM43: mplayer can do it then, can you figure it out? Here I have no audio without trying way too hard |
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| 22:15.04 | BCM43 | i can try. will it work command line? |
| 22:15.06 | Kurlon | Evening all. Got a box I'm trying to recover, one of the scsi drives kicked itself offline due to excess errors. Is there a way I can get it back online without rebooting? |
| 22:15.09 | ranix | oh, nevermind |
| 22:15.20 | pablo | ranix: dont know if they are off. how do i check? |
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| 22:15.24 | ranix | this site http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2007-July/068320.html says you cannot send mplayer to stdout |
| 22:15.57 | ranix | pablo: is the little red light on? |
| 22:16.26 | ranix | BCM43: you could use mplayer to create a .wav file and pipe THAT with netcat |
| 22:16.36 | ranix | BCM43: put it in /tmp for correctness |
| 22:16.46 | BCM43 | ranix: i tried piping .wav's |
| 22:17.02 | pablo | ranix: ahh the speeker power, no for sure that is not the problem |
| 22:17.19 | ranix | BCM43: try to pipe it to /dev/dsp instead of /dev/audio |
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| 22:17.29 | BCM43 | ranix: tried that, same thing |
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| 22:18.04 | pablo | amphi: cant i make it work without alsaconf? |
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| 22:18.46 | BCM43 | ok, ranix, i have to go, thanks for all the help |
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| 22:19.42 | ranix | BCM43: check this later |
| 22:19.43 | ranix | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Alsa-sound-6.html |
| 22:19.48 | ranix | BCM43: /dev/snd/ devices |
| 22:19.58 | BCM43 | ok, thanks |
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| 22:22.59 | pablo | hi, my system sound doesnt work it is kind of locked. it starts working after i lower my sound in mplayer, kind of weiard |
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| 22:23.51 | hmann | pablo: sucks. |
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| 22:24.33 | pablo | hmann: what may the problem be? |
| 22:25.21 | sylar | is there some program that monitor what I am working over, and give me a report about it? |
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| 22:30.24 | Doonz | Quick question. Say i was running software raid on my ubuntu machine and the mobo died. If i replace that mobo with a different mobo will i lose my array |
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| 22:31.44 | Wesley_ | Hello, I just did a dist-upgrade, new kernel; now when I reboot I get a "waiting for root file system" then goes to the initramfs |
| 22:31.47 | Wesley_ | any suggestions? |
| 22:31.53 | petemc | Doonz: no, thats the beauty of linux sw raid, but convention dictates that as an ubuntu user you should ask questions in the ubuntu channel |
| 22:32.10 | petemc | Wesley_: can you boot the old kernel? |
| 22:32.39 | Wesley_ | I can yes |
| 22:32.43 | Wesley_ | but without the root file system |
| 22:32.52 | Wesley_ | says it failed to find /dev/sda1 |
| 22:33.07 | Wesley_ | which is in the fstab file |
| 22:33.18 | petemc | Wesley_: can you successfully boot any kernel? |
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| 22:34.37 | Wesley_ | well, if you mean without errors.. no |
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| 22:34.52 | danielbvho | uf, weekend... |
| 22:34.57 | danielbvho | hi all! |
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| 22:35.06 | Wesley_ | I can boot up the system, and I did with the old kernel. but the "storage" hdd's are not there |
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| 22:35.25 | maligor | hda to sda transition? |
| 22:35.39 | Wesley_ | what does that mean |
| 22:35.46 | Doonz | petemc thanx i did mean to post it in the other chane |
| 22:35.48 | Doonz | chan* |
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| 22:36.13 | maligor | I don't really know about the debian kernel configuration, but sda is the naming convention used by the scsi subsystem |
| 22:36.21 | garotosopa | Hi. iceweasel-3.0.3-3 gives Segmentation fault if I remove the package libcurl3-gnutls-7.18.2-5 on Lenny amd64. Could someone try to reproduce it please? |
| 22:36.24 | maligor | hda is for the ide subsystem |
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| 22:37.11 | tzanger | good evening |
| 22:37.13 | Wesley_ | All I know is that I did a dist-upgrade.. and now it won't boot up :< |
| 22:37.23 | maligor | but it's not really that straightforward since sata is under scsi, and there's ide drivers for it also |
| 22:37.25 | tzanger | is there a way I can look at a log of what was updated through apt and when? |
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| 22:37.36 | Wesley_ | I just took a peek at the old grub menu file, it also calls root=hdc1 |
| 22:37.39 | tzanger | or at the very least, what sources certain packages that were installed came from? |
| 22:38.01 | garotosopa | tzanger, /var/log/aptitude (if aptitude used) or /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 22:38.03 | petemc | tzanger: /var/log/dpkg.log , aptitude why foo |
| 22:38.14 | tzanger | thanks guys |
| 22:38.19 | Wesley_ | they come from ftp.nluug.nl |
| 22:38.23 | garotosopa | well that one too. |
| 22:38.27 | maligor | Wesley_, I guess a open is to observe the environment in the initramfs |
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| 22:38.31 | maligor | err.. option |
| 22:38.44 | Wesley_ | im a bit clueless of what to do there :< |
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| 22:39.03 | Wesley_ | it's not a matetr of changing root=/dev/hd-something ? |
| 22:39.07 | Wesley_ | matter* sorry |
| 22:39.47 | maligor | I think that's the most likely option, or /dev/sd-something if they moved the kernel to scsi subsystem |
| 22:39.59 | maligor | but if it's a IDE drive, I find that strange |
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| 22:40.28 | Wesley_ | I am logged onto the system |
| 22:40.38 | Wesley_ | can I check what is inside, does that help you? |
| 22:40.42 | Wesley_ | lshw? |
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| 22:41.02 | maligor | the kernel messages should show you what drive naming it uses |
| 22:41.12 | Wesley_ | ah |
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| 22:43.44 | maligor | Wesley_, perhaps this could of help (if the initramfs has dmesg and grep): dmesg | grep da: |
| 22:44.20 | Wesley_ | Ill try! rebooting now |
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| 22:44.47 | maligor | mm, actually, that'd only show the first |
| 22:45.03 | Wesley_ | does say scsi device sdb |
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| 22:46.30 | maligor | dmesg | less |
| 22:46.36 | maligor | should show it the very least |
| 22:46.39 | Wesley_ | awaiting the root file system |
| 22:46.45 | Wesley_ | takes 5 min |
| 22:47.05 | Wesley_ | Wonder why this happend, never had this problem before |
| 22:47.35 | maligor | what did you upgrade to,from? |
| 22:47.45 | Wesley_ | it the same kernel |
| 22:47.53 | maligor | oh.. that's strange then |
| 22:48.03 | maligor | then there shouldn't be any name swapping |
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| 22:48.25 | Wesley_ | well, dmesg works |
| 22:48.33 | Wesley_ | I did dmesg |grep da: |
| 22:48.48 | maligor | yeah, that'd only show you the first disk |
| 22:48.52 | Wesley_ | scsi device sda, sda write protect, |
| 22:49.00 | Wesley_ | not sure theres usefull information there (for me anyways) |
| 22:49.33 | Wesley_ | its a 3warew system inside aswell btw |
| 22:49.36 | Wesley_ | 3ware |
| 22:49.51 | maligor | raid? |
| 22:49.57 | Wesley_ | yes, raid and normal hdd |
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| 22:50.21 | abrotman | watches the battle of the 7-char nicks |
| 22:50.22 | maligor | did you upgrade a distro? |
| 22:50.36 | Wesley_ | I did dist-upgrade |
| 22:50.48 | maligor | yes, but did it upgrade from a different distribution?-) |
| 22:50.59 | Wesley_ | not as far as I know no |
| 22:51.03 | Wesley_ | etch |
| 22:51.12 | maligor | etch/etch dist-upgrade then |
| 22:51.29 | Wesley_ | hm? |
| 22:51.41 | Wesley_ | I have a backup server, I did a cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:51.46 | Wesley_ | says 4.0 |
| 22:51.56 | flower | hi I though that lenny would be released in sept or november.... but that doesn't seems the case... when is the release planned? |
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| 22:52.13 | amphi | !wwlr |
| 22:52.14 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released until while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
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| 22:52.58 | maligor | Wesley_, all I can think of is some sort of persistent rules getting reset, but that doesn't make sense for drives |
| 22:53.23 | maligor | Wesley_, or alternatively required kernel modules getting ditched from initramfs for some reason |
| 22:53.31 | maligor | like filesystem drivers |
| 22:54.48 | Kokoin | debian |
| 22:54.52 | Kokoin | goood baay |
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| 22:55.27 | Wesley_ | hmm :/ |
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| 23:00.43 | helo | if when i log in, i see the motd and then get logged out immediately, what could be going on? |
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| 23:03.14 | teratoma | what is your user's shell set to ? |
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| 23:04.10 | ma3x | how the hell do you clean your .history? i delete the file or /dev/null > .history and logout; login and it's there along with all the history |
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| 23:05.02 | Eddie | Hello room! |
| 23:05.22 | teratoma | ma3x: history -c |
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| 23:06.37 | ma3x | teratoma: I do that and next time I log in, it's still there containing all the previous commands typed in |
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| 23:07.32 | Eddie87 | Hey room! I'm a complete newbie to Linux and completely confused |
| 23:07.50 | Eddie87 | Just installed OpenSUSE 11.0 |
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| 23:08.17 | Eddie87 | Now my Windows Boot Loader is screwed up and I can't get into Vista |
| 23:08.19 | teratoma | ma3x: i think you need to set your history value. some bash shell thing. if you really care... rm .bash_history ; ln -s .bash_history /dev/null ;logout |
| 23:08.42 | petemc | Eddie87: /join #suse |
| 23:08.52 | Eddie87 | Okay thanks for the redirection!:) |
| 23:08.58 | petemc | np |
| 23:10.36 | ma3x | teratoma: i think it's csh or something |
| 23:10.37 | ma3x | how do i check |
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| 23:12.06 | Tramp | ma3x: echo $0 or echo $SHELL probably |
| 23:12.21 | ma3x | tcsh |
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| 23:12.30 | petemc | unlucky |
| 23:12.37 | ma3x | why? |
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| 23:13.41 | teratoma | ma3x: history -c is a bash thing. i dont know how you clear your shell history in tcsh. did you set your shell to tcsh? all of your linux buddies now use bash |
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| 23:14.20 | ma3x | how do i export it permanently to bash? |
| 23:14.26 | ma3x | i know, i hate other shells than bash |
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| 23:14.38 | petemc | chsh |
| 23:14.40 | sharp15 | how do i tell apt-get or aptitude to remove the old cached .deb files for programs that aren't installed? i tried "aptitude autoclean" and that didn't get the files i was looking at. |
| 23:14.58 | teratoma | i do not know what 'export it permanently to bash' means |
| 23:15.10 | ma3x | chsh: can only change local entries; use ypchsh instead. |
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| 23:15.27 | ma3x | well it means i dont wanna type 'bash' every time i log in |
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| 23:15.33 | petemc | ma3x: you're not using debian. at |
| 23:15.34 | ma3x | automatically have bash upon login |
| 23:15.52 | petemc | that was meant to be a question |
| 23:16.51 | ma3x | uhm, how do you check the distro? |
| 23:16.51 | petemc | you could stick bash into whatever start files tcsh uses |
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| 23:16.54 | petemc | ma3x: uname -a, you may not even be using linux |
| 23:17.06 | sharp15 | petemc: it uses .cshrc |
| 23:17.13 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 23:17.21 | ma3x | Linux hafer 2.6.26.6-49.fc8 #1 SMP Fri Oct 17 15:59:36 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 23:17.29 | maligor | fc eh |
| 23:17.43 | ma3x | uname doesn't show much |
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| 23:17.47 | ma3x | what distro is it? |
| 23:17.51 | maligor | fedora core |
| 23:18.01 | ma3x | how do you know? |
| 23:18.05 | streuner | fc8 |
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| 23:19.30 | ma3x | ok so what do i put inside .tcsh? |
| 23:19.38 | ma3x | .tcshrc |
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| 23:19.56 | sharp15 | why are you using csh stuff to begin with? |
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| 23:20.04 | ma3x | im not, it's the system's default |
| 23:20.05 | ma3x | i guess |
| 23:20.26 | ma3x | ah .cshrc i mean |
| 23:20.31 | ma3x | something like export SHELL=/bin/bash? |
| 23:20.45 | sharp15 | are you the admin or is this a work machine? |
| 23:21.07 | teratoma | ma3x: stick 'exec bash' in there, also this is #debian. they might not make fun of you in #linux |
| 23:21.23 | ma3x | sharp15: im not the admin ;) |
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| 23:21.58 | sharp15 | oh. try ##linux. the distribution support channels get cranky if you aren't asking on topic questions. |
| 23:22.24 | Tramp | ma3x: why don't you try ypchsh as the previoux command told you? They seem to use NIS, so it may do, what you want |
| 23:22.34 | ma3x | Tramp: i tried |
| 23:22.40 | ma3x | ypchsh: can't find the master ypserver: Internal NIS error |
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| 23:23.19 | ma3x | okay exec bash does the thing |
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| 23:24.15 | ma3x | heard complaints today from a colleague who tried debian, he think it breaks too easy upon dist-upgrade. well stable and testing don't break, right? |
| 23:24.37 | petemc | testing does |
| 23:24.56 | ma3x | how exactly? |
| 23:25.01 | ma3x | like it can't satisfy dependencies? |
| 23:25.52 | petemc | testing can be missing large swathes of packages, and it doesnt get as thorough testing as stable |
| 23:26.04 | petemc | so, mistakes can happen |
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| 23:26.26 | cryptw | how do i setup dual stack ipv4 and ipv6 in debian /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:26.44 | petemc | dual stack? |
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| 23:26.53 | cryptw | as in both ipv4 and ipv6 on the same interface |
| 23:27.29 | petemc | as opposed to? |
| 23:27.46 | petemc | im being a jerk, the debian wiki has info on ipv6 |
| 23:27.53 | petemc | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 23:28.27 | petemc | tho the wiki is often out of date |
| 23:28.37 | cryptw | You can also use the "static" method in /etc/network/interfaces to set up addresses manually. |
| 23:28.45 | cryptw | but it's laking further detail on that |
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| 23:33.04 | ma3x | petemc: so he sticks with ubuntu now. so the thing is ubuntu doesn't break and debian does? |
| 23:33.18 | petemc | sorry? |
| 23:33.56 | petemc | debian stable can generally be relied upon, as can ubuntu to a degree |
| 23:34.06 | rideh | i've updated to using kernel 2.6.24 out of backports in order to get kernel support for my intel 4965 agn wireless card. dmesg shows it found but fails with iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2 any tips on what this means? |
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| 23:34.35 | ma3x | are more developers working on debian or ubuntu right now? |
| 23:34.42 | amphi | ma3x: testing very rarely breaks for me, for that matter |
| 23:34.42 | metbsd | is there kde4 in debian? |
| 23:34.56 | ma3x | amphi: for me too, it works great |
| 23:35.14 | petemc | ma3x: debian has over 1000 developers, as to how many are active, im not sure |
| 23:35.36 | ma3x | C programmers? |
| 23:35.45 | petemc | not all |
| 23:35.54 | petemc | probably |
| 23:36.06 | tehmarz | Hey, with Lenny RC1, I'm having a few difficulties with the screen resolution, which I also had with beta 2. It seems to think that my monitor is 1280x800 (it's 1280x1024), and thus has some weird effects where maximizing doesn't go all the way down, etc., even when I -configure Xorg. Is this a known bug? |
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| 23:36.31 | petemc | i didnt say testing was unusable, i just said it might break |
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| 23:36.56 | tehmarz | Testing is very much usable. It has a few bugs, but is otherwise great. |
| 23:37.05 | petemc | tehmarz: cant you set it explicitly in xorg.conf? |
| 23:37.20 | ma3x | petemc: are you part of the dev.team? |
| 23:37.24 | tehmarz | petemc: Tried. Gnome doesn't seem to understand. |
| 23:37.27 | petemc | no |
| 23:37.44 | petemc | tehmarz: how did you try? |
| 23:37.55 | tehmarz | petemc: Editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 23:38.29 | petemc | tehmarz: that file is potentially almost empty, did you add a screen section? |
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| 23:39.02 | tehmarz | petemc: I did. I tried Xorg -configure, and then added the screen section. That worked in Lenny beta 2, but no longer seems to. |
| 23:39.09 | petemc | ah |
| 23:39.55 | petemc | then perhaps a driver issue |
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| 23:40.31 | tehmarz | I guess. My computer's slowly deteriorating anyway, so it's probably just that. |
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| 23:44.06 | segosa | i'm trying to pass a list to dpkg --purge from stdin but it won't accept it and i can't find a param to take a list from stdin |
| 23:44.32 | petemc | using xargs? |
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| 23:45.27 | segosa | never used that - i'll have a look |
| 23:46.23 | segosa | that worked |
| 23:46.24 | segosa | thanks |
| 23:46.32 | petemc | np |
| 23:46.45 | cpbills | can anyone help me out, i tried installing 'ttf-mathematica4.1' but it failed, the preinst script goes to download something, and the link doesn't work... when trying to remove it, dpkg fails, so now every time i call apt-get it tries installing this package... |
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| 23:47.04 | petemc | cpbills: check the bts |
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| 23:47.16 | cpbills | bts? |
| 23:47.20 | petemc | !bts |
| 23:47.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 23:47.30 | tCzern_tux | how do I install an deb package that I have already downloaded ? |
| 23:47.32 | tCzern_tux | thanks |
| 23:47.38 | petemc | dpkg -i |
| 23:47.38 | dpkg | petemc: i don't know |
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| 23:48.31 | tCzern_tux | thanks! |
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| 23:52.34 | Jimss | guys whats the steps |
| 23:52.38 | Jimss | apt get update |
| 23:52.39 | apt | ACTION fetches update |
| 23:52.46 | Jimss | few steps |
| 23:52.58 | Jimss | i forgot te search for updates to install updates |
| 23:53.03 | tCzern_tux | looking for libglib2 higher than 2.14.2. |
| 23:53.11 | tCzern_tux | need 2.16 |
| 23:53.13 | cryptw | lol what a cool bot |
| 23:53.16 | cryptw | apt fetch update |
| 23:53.21 | cryptw | apt get update |
| 23:53.22 | apt | ACTION fetches update |
| 23:53.25 | cryptw | apt get cheese |
| 23:53.26 | apt | ACTION fetches cheese |
| 23:53.29 | cryptw | lol |
| 23:53.37 | cryptw | apt put update |
| 23:53.41 | cryptw | damn |
| 23:54.10 | tCzern_tux | I just ran update with update-manager |
| 23:56.39 | tCzern_tux | it returns NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
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| 23:58.14 | I440r | what clock rate is etch's kernel configured for? |
| 23:58.21 | I440r | 100, 250 or 1000 ? |
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