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| 00:03.15 | Jemt | What's supposed to replace 'gnome-cupsys-manager' in Lenny ? The package is not included anymore at least |
| 00:03.25 | Jemt | gnome-cups-manager* |
| 00:03.33 | buu | hjb: As far as grub shows me, there's only one kernel installed |
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| 00:04.20 | hjb | buu hmm, than you'll need to boot with init?/bin/sh and try to fix things manually |
| 00:04.36 | hjb | buu whatever that means in your stituation |
| 00:04.56 | hjb | init*=*/bin/sh |
| 00:05.09 | hjb | hate misteyping |
| 00:05.10 | dacs | abrotman: after i installed gnome-core , i tried to start it with startx and i got X cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or dir) |
| 00:05.23 | assasukasse | hello i have a problem with a wrong symlinked directory, is symlinked in a loop and when i try to delete i get too many levels of symlink..how can i remove it anyway? |
| 00:05.24 | Jemt | dacs: gnome-core dosn't give you X |
| 00:05.36 | Jemt | dacs: You still need to install x-window-system |
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| 00:06.28 | buu | hjb: Hrm, I'm booting off of a livecd at the moment |
| 00:06.29 | yfk | I get all this when trying to install a package http://www.pastebin.ca/1264698 any idea what's wrong ? |
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| 00:07.22 | hjb | buu np, just type e at the grub menu and add init=/bin/sh |
| 00:07.32 | hjb | buu but then your on your own |
| 00:07.40 | hjb | buu hope that this'll work at least |
| 00:07.42 | buu | hjb: Yeah, not sure what I could do at that point |
| 00:08.08 | hjb | buu me not sure, too. too specific, your problem |
| 00:08.08 | dacs | !xwindows |
| 00:08.08 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 00:08.13 | yfk | debian has a live cd now? |
| 00:08.35 | buu | hjb: "init [1] segfault error 14" followed by some hex addresses. |
| 00:08.41 | buu | OH JESUS |
| 00:08.58 | hjb | buu init seagfault sound reallly strnage |
| 00:08.59 | buu | Fucking ubuntu |
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| 00:09.11 | Laeborg | hello |
| 00:09.32 | MrWax | Can anyone tell me how I can decrypt a .gpg file? |
| 00:09.33 | MrWax | been checking man gpg for a while now |
| 00:09.44 | hjb | buu no idea, init is the *last* process that should *ever* fail :-D |
| 00:09.44 | Laeborg | how to change FS on sda1? i have no data i will keep |
| 00:09.57 | Laeborg | and how to mount it into /media/usb ? |
| 00:09.59 | dacs | Jemt: so how do i install it , apt-get install X11 |
| 00:10.00 | buu | Laeborg: mkfs |
| 00:10.01 | epsilon | man gpg |
| 00:10.10 | buu | hjb: Yes =[ |
| 00:10.12 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to invoke the gui installer from the live CD's boot prompt? |
| 00:10.13 | Jemt | dacs: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 00:10.25 | dacs | Jemt: that doesn't work man |
| 00:10.35 | Jemt | dacs: dosn't work ? |
| 00:10.38 | Laeborg | ks33487:~# mkfs ext3 /dev/sda1 |
| 00:10.38 | Laeborg | mkfs.ext2: invalid blocks count - /dev/sda1 |
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| 00:11.10 | hjb | buu at least i'd try to remove every startup skript and see if init then works |
| 00:11.21 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps I was wondering is there a init script for debian that will strtup virtualbox I believe I hae the OSE editon that's the open source edition? well its in your repo so must be gnu OSS |
| 00:11.25 | dacs | Jemt: a, wrong, i typed windows not window |
| 00:11.26 | hjb | and tehn reenable any single of them to see what fails |
| 00:11.32 | dacs | errrrr |
| 00:11.33 | Jemt | dacs ;) |
| 00:12.08 | Piper69 | what a stupid bum ass dacs :) |
| 00:12.19 | hjb | buu else i'd guess it's a real problem with init, which then is some kind of grave bug of it |
| 00:12.29 | hjb | buu specific to systems like yours |
| 00:12.48 | hjb | then you'll report it |
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| 00:15.16 | bbelt16ag | found it |
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| 00:18.14 | j_pinx | can anyone tell me how to force iceweasel to start after installing it. It's not starting from the gui |
| 00:18.56 | Defty | try to start it from the command line and see if it reports something |
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| 00:19.23 | j_pinx | Defty: tried that but nothing - not staring and no error+ |
| 00:21.25 | MrWax | gpg --decrypt file.gpg --output file |
| 00:21.29 | MrWax | does anyone know whats wrong with that? |
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| 00:23.22 | Piper69 | how to install ssh |
| 00:23.41 | Jemt | !tell Piper69 about ssh |
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| 00:26.02 | Piper69 | can i do aptitude install sshd && ssh-keygen |
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| 00:27.33 | \amethyst | Piper69: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 00:27.42 | \amethyst | Piper69: that automatically generates a host key |
| 00:27.59 | \amethyst | Piper69: then you'll generate or copy over a key pair |
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| 00:28.49 | \amethyst | and users' authorized_keys files etc |
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| 00:29.45 | Piper69 | \amethyst: thanks buddy |
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| 00:33.41 | Piper69 | why i can't see my hdb |
| 00:34.05 | Piper69 | i see it in fdisk -l |
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| 00:38.03 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to invoke the *text* mode installer from the live CD? |
| 00:38.46 | bit0 | kingsley, look at the boot options |
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| 00:39.40 | kingsley | bit0: Yes, I did. Although I expected to find it there too, unfortunately, it was not. |
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| 00:50.56 | LooieENG | is there anything similar to build-essential which will add even more stuff? cause I still get errors when doing ./configure |
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| 00:51.46 | petemc | LooieENG: you can usually figure out what you need from the error message, things like apt-file help |
| 00:52.46 | LooieENG | yeah, but some programs give quite a few errors, so I was wondering if there was something to make it that little beat more simple for a noob :P |
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| 00:53.14 | streuner | newbies should use packages |
| 00:53.52 | LooieENG | I usually do, but they're really old |
| 00:53.59 | LooieENG | like 0.6.4 instead of 0.8.3 |
| 00:54.00 | streuner | if you still want use configure, just learn how to read configure.log |
| 00:54.04 | petemc | look for backports |
| 00:54.21 | streuner | !backports |
| 00:54.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 00:54.44 | LooieENG | I'll go read that, thanks |
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| 00:55.22 | streuner | in case you want still use configure |
| 00:55.26 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 00:55.27 | dpkg | methinks unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 00:55.35 | streuner | read (9) |
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| 00:57.52 | dmorris | on my new lenny machines the "gateway x.x.x.x" in /etc/network/interfaces is not setting the gateway. (I have removed network-manager) - what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:59.07 | streuner | show us interfaces in paste.debian.net |
| 00:59.56 | acutedeath | I have compiled a wireless module from source. I've haphazardly thrown it into /lib/modules/ ... how do I set it up so that insmod/modprobe know what I mean when I refer to it as just 'rt2860sta'? |
| 01:00.09 | dmorris | streuner, thanks - its here: http://paste.debian.net/22070/ |
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| 01:01.25 | itnm48 | when i start xorg on sid, the screen resolution is correct, but the display is distorted and off-center at first. i have to hit the 'auto' button on my lcd monitor to fix it. the odd thing is i have to do that every time i type 'startx'. i never needed to do that before. what's wrong? |
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| 01:04.54 | streuner_ | dmorris: what happens if you run "ifup -a" ? |
| 01:05.12 | streuner_ | dmorris: or just "ifup eth2"? |
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| 01:05.57 | mumrah | I'm having an issue with python2.5 and Etch |
| 01:06.16 | mumrah | there is a module i need (mysqldb) that does not work with python2.5 under etch |
| 01:06.35 | mumrah | and my app requires some new modules standard in python2.5 |
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| 01:07.12 | mumrah | so the easiest solution for me was to upgrade to lenny, but i dont really know much about the testing release and secuity/stability |
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| 01:08.07 | mumrah | so for a production server, is running lenny a good idea/bad idea? |
| 01:08.37 | xand | mumrah: I would wait until it's properly released as stable. |
| 01:08.44 | streuner_ | stable |
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| 01:12.56 | mumrah | xand: what is the eta for lenny stable? |
| 01:13.13 | xand | !wwlr |
| 01:13.13 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released until while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
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| 01:14.46 | mumrah | xand: great, thanks. |
| 01:14.59 | Spida | *g* |
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| 01:26.06 | mario | Hi, I want to use a news reader in lenny, which one supports ipv6? |
| 01:26.52 | mardi | hi all, i'm using debian testing and iceweasel and flash 10. when playing flash movies they alwasy stop at 15-16 seconds and won't continue playing, any ideas? |
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| 01:29.49 | jberg | hey. i have a debian computer with a smc eazy connect g wireless network card, but at the moment i don't have a broadband subscription, i only have another 3g/edge/umts/whatever mobile wireless card (globetrotter hsdpa modem) i can put in my usb port to connect to internet and i want to set up debian so that it shares that internett connection |
| 01:29.59 | jberg | can i set up an ad-hoc network with ip-tables? |
| 01:30.05 | jberg | iptables* |
| 01:30.11 | xand | iptables isn't used for that. |
| 01:30.21 | LooieENG | do config files go in /etc/ or /etc/progam/? |
| 01:30.26 | jberg | i thought so, with masquerading or something |
| 01:30.28 | pobega | iptables is just a kernel level firewall, not really used for setting up connections. |
| 01:30.39 | xand | and you can't connect 802.11 cards to cellular ones |
| 01:30.40 | jberg | pobega, it's a router too no? |
| 01:30.40 | LooieENG | there isn't actually a /program/ folder in /etc/ though, so I think I'll have to make it :S |
| 01:30.53 | pobega | LooieENG: /etc/program.conf, or /etc/program/, either or |
| 01:31.00 | LooieENG | okay, thanks |
| 01:31.13 | acidslep | jberg, you can get your cellular card to work in debian? |
| 01:31.22 | pobega | jberg: AFAIK it can do that but it's not iptables job to make sure the drivers work and stuff. |
| 01:31.43 | karsten | jberg: ad-hoc networking is generally applied to wifi. If you're talking about dhcp, yes, you can do that in iptables. Examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 01:31.49 | jberg | acidslep, i haven't tried yet. going to soon |
| 01:31.51 | acidslep | yeah, you can just bridge them with ifconfig and friends. |
| 01:32.07 | acidslep | but i really really doubt you will get your cellular card to work, unfortuantley. |
| 01:32.17 | mario | To answer myself, it seems slrn uses ipv6. |
| 01:32.21 | karsten | jberg: If you're tryin gto do something else, figure out the acepted terminilogy for it 'coz what you're asking isn't what you're doing. |
| 01:32.27 | jberg | acidslep, no i think it is supported in linux |
| 01:32.32 | karsten | mario: Should use both. |
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| 01:32.45 | acidslep | jberg, bridging network interfaces is possible yes. good luck with cellular though... |
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| 01:33.05 | karsten | jberg: you wouldn't happen to be trying to set up an evdo device, no? |
| 01:33.05 | jberg | hmm |
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| 01:34.00 | svref | I'm trying to brainstorm reasons ssh from my laptop to my server works when ethernetted to my router, and doesn't work when using 802.11b wireless. In both cases it's going through the same router! |
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| 01:34.15 | jberg | karsten, evdo? |
| 01:34.42 | karsten | svref: Reverse host lookup? What's toggling verbose mode on both sides (ssh client and sshd server) and looking at output tell you? |
| 01:34.44 | svref | auth.log on the server even shows a successful login, but on the client it looks like a hang after inputting the password |
| 01:34.53 | karsten | !evdo | jberg |
| 01:35.06 | karsten | !tell jberg about evdo |
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| 01:35.16 | karsten | Feh. |
| 01:35.18 | jberg | nothing happens.. |
| 01:35.30 | xsdg | karsten: :o) |
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| 01:35.52 | cahoot | jberg: a telenor mobile broadband device? |
| 01:36.04 | karsten | jberg: EVDO EVolution Data Optimized, which which isn't particularly illuminating. It's a cellular modem usually a USB or PCMCIA device. |
| 01:36.14 | karsten | xsdg: :P |
| 01:36.33 | karsten | jberg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized |
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| 01:37.11 | jberg | but is smc eazy connect g hard to get working on debian? |
| 01:38.07 | jberg | karsten, hum i don't know |
| 01:38.22 | karsten | dpkg evdo is EVolution Data Out, or a cellular broadband networking device, usually USB or PCMCIA. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized or http://legreensolutions.com/How-to-install-EVDO-on-Debian-GNU-Linux-or-Ubuntu.html |
| 01:38.22 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 01:38.40 | karsten | jberg: Well, then. What are you trying to do? To fall back on the most critical of all support questions. |
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| 01:39.50 | mardi | hi all, i'm using debian testing and iceweasel and flash 10. when playing flash movies they alwasy stop at 15-16 seconds and won't continue playing, any ideas? |
| 01:40.10 | svref | mardi: is your sound otherwise working great? |
| 01:40.12 | jberg | karsten, i want debian to connect to internet via the globetrotter hsdpa modem, and then share that connection with the other computers. either via ad-hoc or the debian pc is the gateway or router for the others |
| 01:40.30 | mardi | svref: yes, sound works fine |
| 01:42.04 | karsten | jberg: Never heard of it... |
| 01:42.36 | karsten | jberg: Describe the modem. Where does it fit on the computer / network? |
| 01:43.06 | jberg | karsten, in that legreensolutions link it describes how to share the internet connection with iptables |
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| 01:43.14 | karsten | jberg: ... and what else, if anything, does it plug into? |
| 01:43.17 | jberg | normally this connection uses interface ppp0 |
| 01:43.18 | jberg | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:43.18 | jberg | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 01:43.34 | jberg | i think my usb network card is an EVDO |
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| 01:44.14 | svref | mardi: donno, try flash 9? |
| 01:44.35 | karsten | jberg: You can "share" an internet connection by googling "NAT masquerade linux HOWTO". One IP tables rule and one /proc entry you need to set on th emasq box, and set that box sas your default route on everything else. |
| 01:44.40 | karsten | jYes. |
| 01:44.48 | mardi | svref: i had flash 9, same issue so I went to 10 |
| 01:44.50 | karsten | jberg: Anyhow, lousy connection here and I've got to split. |
| 01:45.15 | jberg | yep, think i got it now. thanks and bye |
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| 01:49.00 | RichiH | ok, this is a trivial thing, but i never needed to do it, before. getting stdin in both perl and zsh is trivial. not requiring an EOL inperl is trivial, as well. but what do i do when i want a simple yes/no dialogue in a shell script? |
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| 01:56.14 | RichiH | erm, s/eol/eof/, obviously |
| 01:56.45 | petemc | read ? |
| 01:57.21 | petemc | then test $REPLY |
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| 01:58.34 | esaym | anyone know how to grep the files "log log.1 log.2" all at once? I can't go grep log* because there are a million of them... |
| 01:59.02 | pirunga | hi |
| 01:59.14 | petemc | esaym: xargs |
| 01:59.35 | pirunga | I am looking for a software that record in a movie what u do in your desktop you know one? |
| 02:00.12 | petemc | apt-cache search screencast |
| 02:00.18 | pirunga | ty |
| 02:00.21 | esaym | hmm |
| 02:00.39 | \amethyst | pirunga: istanbul, recordmydesktop, byzanz if you want an animated GIF |
| 02:00.40 | xsdg | esaym: grep foo log log.{1,2,3} |
| 02:00.41 | pirunga | I am new in debian... I am used to pacman from archlinux.. so apt is a little diferent xD |
| 02:01.26 | xxiao | esaym: grep something {log log.1 log.2} |
| 02:01.39 | xsdg | xxiao: uhh... no... |
| 02:01.47 | xxiao | esaym: grep something {log,log.1,log.2} |
| 02:02.08 | xxiao | xsdg: better way? |
| 02:02.13 | xsdg | xxiao: look at what I said above |
| 02:02.16 | esaym | hmm' |
| 02:02.30 | xsdg | xxiao: what you're saying is no different then just typing out `grep something log log.1 log.2` |
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| 02:02.55 | xxiao | xsdg: ok, i don't know what you really want to do |
| 02:03.27 | esaym | ah it is log{,.1,.2} |
| 02:03.29 | esaym | thank you |
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| 02:03.44 | ugly | is there something I have to do with the linux-headers-2.6.26-1 packages in order to use them with vmware's module compilation utility after installing them? the installer just complains that it cant find any headers, even though I've pointed it header dirs manually |
| 02:03.52 | xsdg | xxiao: no, the point is that `echo {log,log.1,log.2}` is identical to `echo log log.1 log.2`, except that you're typing extra characters |
| 02:03.53 | xxiao | esaym: ok..anyway |
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| 02:04.14 | xsdg | xxiao: to get the real benefit of using that notation, you have to have something outside of the braces so that you don't have to type it multiple times |
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| 02:04.30 | xxiao | xsdg: yeah..you're right |
| 02:04.50 | RichiH | petemc: once again, the simple things foiled me.. :p i tried readline, but did not think far enough to realize it might have been named after, well, read line |
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| 02:05.04 | xsdg | RichiH: yo |
| 02:05.27 | esaym | log{,.[1-2]} <-works better, awsome |
| 02:06.12 | xxiao | esaym: you're getting into regex for three files, the more files the better with regex |
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| 02:09.18 | RichiH | xsdg: how is you |
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| 02:10.21 | xsdg | RichiH: doing pretty well. Finally picking up some momentum on the work front, and also managing to take more photos also. you? |
| 02:10.29 | endeavormac | is there a way i can restrict cpu utilization to 100% on a multi-core system? |
| 02:10.36 | endeavormac | * for a specific process |
| 02:11.03 | xsdg | endeavormac: is it a multi-threaded process? |
| 02:11.07 | endeavormac | yes |
| 02:11.10 | endeavormac | and i can't control that |
| 02:11.22 | RichiH | xsdg: can't complain, can't brag |
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| 02:11.30 | xsdg | RichiH: ::nod:: |
| 02:11.54 | xsdg | endeavormac: dunno. The only thing that really comes to mind is "use a VM" or "maybe SELinux can do something" |
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| 02:12.31 | endeavormac | can i restrict a process to just one core? |
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| 02:12.54 | \amethyst | endeavormac: yes, with 'taskset' |
| 02:13.20 | endeavormac | ok, thanks |
| 02:13.30 | \amethyst | endeavormac: taskset 0x01 -p 17222 puts process 17222 on CPU 0 only |
| 02:13.49 | endeavormac | ok, thanks |
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| 02:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | esaym, oh, did you want to grep the whole million of them or just the 3? |
| 02:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, guess if that was the answer, it was only the three :) |
| 02:19.22 | petemc | i misread the question myself |
| 02:19.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's ambiguous... |
| 02:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | if he wants to grep all of them, he still cant do grep someword *.log because the result would be too big for the command line buffer... |
| 02:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which actually shows that wildcard expansion as done by the shell is rather stupid |
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| 02:21.51 | esaym | xxiao: yes but it was 3 big files ;) |
| 02:22.16 | esaym | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes I just needed to grep 3, i got it with log{,.[1-2]} |
| 02:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, ask again when there's "a million" of them and you want to grep them all :-P |
| 02:23.06 | CrippsFX | I have a freebsd partition/slice/whatever that I'd like to be able to mount and write to from debian ... I don't seem to be able to do that because the ufs module that's shipped with the debian kernel is compiled for read-only support. "apt-cache search ufs" doesn't show any useful results for ufs source. Does anybody know of a good source for instructions on getting/compiling/using this module? |
| 02:23.21 | vrv | Hello :) could anyone help please, after compiling and installing new kernel (2.6.27.4, previous 2.6.18.5) system could not start lvm, is any way to check what is wrong exist? (lvm should start after cryptsetup which is successfully started) |
| 02:25.08 | simonrvn | CrippsFX: it's in-kernel. you'd have to build it yourself and enable ufs r/w, which is dangerous. |
| 02:25.42 | CrippsFX | simonrvn, I could (if I had the kernel source) just build it as a module then, correct? |
| 02:26.38 | CrippsFX | and, another appropriate question I guess, how dangerous is it? |
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| 02:30.21 | Ejdesgaard | hi, isn't there a debian.img for cf cards? |
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| 02:49.56 | pupuser1da3a7 | how to get rid of old kernel packages after upgrading to a newer one? |
| 02:50.16 | yitz_ | sudo aptitude remove [package-name] |
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| 02:50.33 | pupuser1da3a7 | yit |
| 02:50.54 | pupuser1da3a7 | yitz_: would that automatically get rid of the entry with GRUB? |
| 02:51.11 | yitz_ | Oh. GRUB entry? Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:51.15 | yitz_ | But make a backup first |
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| 02:51.27 | yitz_ | That edits the menu but does not get rid of the old kernel |
| 02:52.36 | pupuser1da3a7 | yitz_: I know I could manually edit that, IIRC, when you remove redhat kernel package, it auto remove the entry from that file as well. |
| 02:53.18 | yitz_ | So, use aptitude to remove the package and then check the grub menu file and see for yourself if the removal got rid of it. Quite simple... |
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| 02:54.01 | pupuser1da3a7 | ok, just want to get a quick answer. |
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| 02:54.25 | philwyett | pupuser1da3a7: 'apt-get autoremove' should clear out any no longer needed applications, including old kernels and in turn t's grub entry. |
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| 02:55.02 | mikegriffin | philwyett: autoremove will clean grub without --purge? |
| 02:55.17 | yitz_ | autoremove? Sounds scary... |
| 02:55.27 | yitz_ | apt-get doesn't even log its actions |
| 02:55.41 | pupuser1da3a7 | philwyett: good to know, thanks. |
| 02:55.48 | philwyett | mikegriffin: purge maybe necessary. |
| 02:55.53 | mikegriffin | yitz_: it removes packages that were not manually installed and that nothing depends on them, it logs to dpkg.log |
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| 02:56.22 | philwyett | pupuser1da3a7: Maybe 'apt-get autoclean' instead. Away from box with deb at min so can't check. :-) |
| 02:56.47 | yitz_ | Oh... I didn't know that. I switched over to aptitude for everything because I found its log file |
| 02:56.53 | pupuser1da3a7 | philwyett: I can't check either, running puppy linux now .. |
| 02:57.03 | mikegriffin | philwyett: that just removes old .debs |
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| 02:57.29 | mikegriffin | deborphan will sometimes find things autoremove does not |
| 02:57.34 | mikegriffin | never use them together! |
| 02:57.42 | philwyett | pupuser1da3a7: Check http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html for additional help. |
| 02:58.18 | pupuser1da3a7 | ok |
| 02:58.26 | mikegriffin | i usually: apt-get autoremove --purge; deborphan | xargs apt-get remove --purge -y |
| 02:58.37 | xtr | eves peeps |
| 02:58.55 | mikegriffin | hi or bye, whatever the case may be |
| 02:59.19 | xtr | I can't install flash player into Gnome/epiphany web browser |
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| 02:59.40 | philwyett | mikegriffin: I normally use synaptic and only heavy hit the commandline when building packages. |
| 02:59.52 | xtr | hello - all |
| 02:59.56 | mikegriffin | i have no idea what synaptic is |
| 03:00.02 | DogBoy | heh |
| 03:00.16 | philwyett | mikegriffin: gui package manager |
| 03:00.16 | xtr | synaptic is GUI for APT |
| 03:01.02 | xtr | Flash player install anyone? |
| 03:01.13 | adb | !flash |
| 03:01.14 | dpkg | well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 03:04.13 | xtr | cool I'll try that !flash - who'd a thunk it |
| 03:08.09 | xtr | i don't have a 05local file in etc/apt/apt-conf.d/05local as per wiki instruction |
| 03:09.46 | smacnay | If modules have been properly blacklisted, what other factors can cause them to be loaded at boot? |
| 03:10.00 | mikegriffin | smacnay: they arent properly blacklisted? |
| 03:10.08 | mikegriffin | or something depends on them |
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| 03:10.15 | kingsley | Is there a utility that measures how much bandwidth is left in a busy internet connection? If so, what is it called? |
| 03:11.02 | mikegriffin | kingsley: iftop? |
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| 03:12.33 | smacnay | mikegriffin: I think that they have been blacklisted according to the messages I read from dpkg... there could be something depending on them but I can't imagine why. pcsp and nvidiafb. |
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| 03:13.54 | xtr | anyone know about flash player |
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| 03:14.28 | kingsley | xtr: I suggest asking a more specific question. |
| 03:14.36 | xtr | I should say epiphany |
| 03:15.10 | starke | hey i need help i am connectable on windows but not on debian......can anyone give me something to google? |
| 03:15.12 | xtr | well I need help installing flashplayer 10, the wiki refers to a file in apt tree i don't have |
| 03:16.09 | xtr | Starke: do you have a static ip with a dhcp server |
| 03:16.31 | starke | xtr yes |
| 03:16.44 | starke | firewall is off on the router as well |
| 03:16.51 | xtr | if dhcp it will change ip address to most likely 1+ the one in windows |
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| 03:17.53 | starke | but ive got the static ip configged to my current address |
| 03:18.16 | xtr | mine did that too so i just called my windows x.x.x.101 and then linux x.x.x.102 |
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| 03:19.27 | kingsley | xtr: Have you installed the package named "flashplugin-nonfree"? |
| 03:19.55 | xtr | you have other devoices needing DHCP from the router, so just set you computer static to the one it usually uses for windows, and then 1+ for the one in linux |
| 03:20.23 | xtr | Kingsley: no I was trying to do that per the wiki but Idon't have a 05local file |
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| 03:21.12 | starke | xtr ithe static ip is bound to my linux box |
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| 03:22.20 | LooieENG | #flood |
| 03:22.23 | LooieENG | woops |
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| 03:22.49 | xtr | Starke: is the ip staic for windows? |
| 03:22.56 | xtr | static |
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| 03:23.33 | starke | xtr static ip is on linux |
| 03:23.38 | LooieENG | can anyone help with this error message in #flood? |
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| 03:24.11 | xtr | I heard you about linux I asking about windows, is the ip static for windows |
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| 03:24.34 | starke | no |
| 03:24.55 | xtr | so windows is setuyp as for DHCP enable right |
| 03:25.03 | starke | yes |
| 03:25.25 | xtr | what is the ip address it uses typically |
| 03:25.32 | xtr | what evcer it is |
| 03:25.47 | xtr | use one that is different for linux |
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| 03:26.26 | xtr | make sure you get your DNS sefver ips the same |
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| 03:27.51 | starke | ok done |
| 03:28.51 | xtr | so uyou should be able to get on, you need to release and renew - likely |
| 03:29.02 | xtr | never mind that for DHCP |
| 03:29.10 | xtr | so you should be good |
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| 03:29.49 | LooieENG | unrar depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6.ds1-13. |
| 03:29.53 | xtr | starke: are you surfing on linux |
| 03:29.59 | starke | yes |
| 03:30.03 | xtr | cool |
| 03:30.11 | LooieENG | can anyone make sense of that? 2.3.6 seems to be the latest version |
| 03:30.25 | xtr | i was a comcast tech, nice to know I can still get it done |
| 03:30.40 | starke | LooieENG, upgrade to unstable |
| 03:30.53 | LooieENG | apt-get upgrade? |
| 03:31.00 | starke | dpkg tell LooieENG about lenny |
| 03:31.35 | starke | dpkg tell LooieENG about etch->lenny |
| 03:31.59 | starke | but im still not connectable |
| 03:32.04 | starke | arg |
| 03:32.14 | starke | its gotta be something isnside linux |
| 03:32.35 | LooieENG | will dist-upgrade be ok on the server edition? |
| 03:32.52 | starke | i think so |
| 03:32.56 | starke | wait |
| 03:33.01 | starke | you using ubuntu |
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| 03:33.16 | LooieENG | Debian |
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| 03:33.38 | LooieENG | but 4.0-minimal on a server, so no gui or anything |
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| 03:35.25 | xtr | Starke if you can surf on linux then there must some other issue you are referring to |
| 03:35.45 | xtr | when you say connect - what do you mean to connect to? |
| 03:36.00 | g2g591 | hello... can debian run (as a server , definately not desktop) on a 75 Mhz Pentium? |
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| 03:36.01 | xtr | conecctable |
| 03:36.54 | scientes | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 03:36.54 | scientes | /dev/sda1 9.3G 5.1G 937M 85% / |
| 03:36.56 | scientes | how do i fix this |
| 03:37.06 | scientes | quotas i guess? |
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| 03:38.04 | LooieENG | not sure about cpu, but I have it on a server and it's only using 3mb ram (with nothing else installed) so probably |
| 03:38.12 | scientes | g2g591, sure just dont compile anything |
| 03:38.29 | scientes | also you might wat to install on another computer and then put in the hard drive |
| 03:38.34 | jpinx | !tell LooieENG about dist-upgrade |
| 03:38.40 | g2g591 | yeah... but its a lappy |
| 03:39.14 | scientes | g2g591, stil possible but eyah it will just take a while to install |
| 03:39.38 | g2g591 | no kidding... it doesn't even have a cdrom drive |
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| 03:40.03 | jpinx | g2g591: depends on what you want the server to do. A base install will probably be fine |
| 03:40.17 | jpinx | g2g591: what RAM do you have? |
| 03:40.23 | smacnay | how do I find which modules call others? I want to see which module called or loaded nvidiafb. |
| 03:40.50 | scientes | how do i turn off all quota type of stuff |
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| 03:41.05 | scientes | my filesystem has wierd math 5g used 1 free 9.3 total ???????? |
| 03:41.13 | g2g591 | 8 - 40 MB EDO RAM ... not sure exactly... in its current condition it can start up.. but the screen doesn't show anything |
| 03:41.52 | jpinx | !tell smacnay about dependencies |
| 03:42.02 | LooieENG | hmm |
| 03:42.07 | LooieENG | full-upgrade doesn't work |
| 03:42.21 | enouf | smacnay: why do you think nvidiafb is loading? |
| 03:42.27 | jpinx | LooieENG: what are you running now? |
| 03:42.33 | LooieENG | 4.0 |
| 03:42.49 | jpinx | LooieENG: etch ? |
| 03:42.52 | LooieENG | yeah |
| 03:42.53 | enouf | smacnay: for pcsp see /msg dpkg bell |
| 03:42.58 | smacnay | enouf: I am not sure - it does load. |
| 03:43.16 | jpinx | !tell LooieENG about etch->lenny |
| 03:43.31 | enouf | smacnay: again - why do you think nvidiafb is loading? |
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| 03:43.36 | LooieENG | oops |
| 03:43.42 | LooieENG | forgot to change etch to lenny |
| 03:43.43 | enouf | what's make you think it is?/ |
| 03:44.06 | jpinx | LooieENG: follow the instructions to the letter |
| 03:44.25 | smacnay | enouf: because I go into framebuffers on boot and the nvidia module cannot load. |
| 03:44.40 | smacnay | enouf: lsmod shows that it is loaded as well |
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| 03:44.59 | jpinx | g2g591: are you doing a net install? |
| 03:44.59 | LooieENG | jpinx, what is non-local? |
| 03:45.07 | scientes | what is used to show to sconsole on a nvidia card/ i couldnt get my custom kernel to do anything but vga |
| 03:45.19 | scientes | and i compiled in nvidiafb and besa fb |
| 03:45.19 | LooieENG | I have deb (ftp url), deb-src and deb (security url) |
| 03:45.22 | jpinx | LooieENG: something outside your computer |
| 03:45.22 | enouf | smacnay: show me ... which kernel and which debian release? |
| 03:45.45 | enouf | smacnay: and which framebuffer are you using? |
| 03:45.46 | smacnay | deb testing - kernel is 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 03:46.18 | jpinx | LooieENG: you need a boot floppy/CD or something to get you started |
| 03:46.26 | LooieENG | ah |
| 03:46.39 | LooieENG | that will be a bit tricky and/or impossible |
| 03:46.44 | smacnay | enouf: I don't really set any boot options for fb - it jut loads. To make these two mods stop loading, I finally resorted to renaming them in the kernel tree. |
| 03:46.45 | mxktmdude | hi everyone, I would like to install php5 but keep php4 installed, and use htaccess to specify which directories will use php5. Could someone point me in the right direction as apt-get wants to remove php4 and a number of other packages i need |
| 03:46.47 | jpinx | !tell LooieENG about install |
| 03:47.23 | LooieENG | jpinx, I don't have physical access to the machine |
| 03:47.45 | g2g591 | jpinx: im not sure what kind of install im going to do... depending on its net abilities |
| 03:47.48 | scientes | how do i list loaed modules? |
| 03:47.54 | jpinx | LooieENG: ok - you need a remote install -- I remember reading about a way to do that a while ago |
| 03:47.57 | smacnay | scientes: lsmod |
| 03:47.59 | enouf | smacnay: then specifically load and use vesafb by adding a vga= option to your kernel line |
| 03:48.14 | jpinx | !tell g2g591 about install |
| 03:48.33 | jpinx | LooieENG: let me look for a link ...... |
| 03:48.43 | smacnay | enouf: I did use the vga=ask and selected "i" for a 1024x768x16. |
| 03:49.21 | enouf | smacnay: use vga=791 for that |
| 03:49.25 | smacnay | enouf: the pcsp module is as troublesome because it loads before my soundcard and grabs the primary slot. |
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| 03:50.12 | enouf | smacnay: i've had no issues blacklisting pcsp nor pcspkr |
| 03:50.16 | jpinx | LooieENG: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 03:50.24 | haiger | what is a good browser to use |
| 03:50.25 | smacnay | enouf: I will try that. |
| 03:50.46 | smacnay | enouf: do they load for you or you had no problem blacklisting them? |
| 03:51.02 | smacnay | haiger: firefox |
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| 03:51.22 | LooieENG | jpinx, thanks for your help. I'll take a look tomorrow, I'm going to bed now. nn |
| 03:51.22 | mhymn_ | haiger: IE |
| 03:51.26 | jpinx | haiger: depends on your requirements |
| 03:51.32 | enouf | smacnay: i always had all that bell/pcspkr/snd-pcsp crap blacklisted |
| 03:51.36 | haiger | smacnay: does it work under debian?! |
| 03:51.39 | jpinx | LooieENG: no problem |
| 03:51.44 | smacnay | haiger: of course |
| 03:51.51 | haiger | i really would love to use firefox |
| 03:52.12 | jpinx | haiger: so does links2, opera, iceweasel, midori, etc etc |
| 03:52.24 | scientes | enouf, i used vga and after recompiling it would lead to a blank screen |
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| 03:52.45 | enouf | recompiling what? |
| 03:52.48 | scientes | i had vesa kernel fb as mod i think and nvidia built in |
| 03:52.49 | scientes | kernel |
| 03:52.52 | haiger | smacnay: ok, please show me how to install firfox |
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| 03:53.05 | enouf | scientes: why would you? |
| 03:53.20 | mhymn_ | dpkg: tell haiger -about firefox |
| 03:53.32 | smacnay | haiger: apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 03:53.55 | enouf | !tell haiger -about grounding |
| 03:54.17 | smacnay | enouf: well, I will try this - thanks |
| 03:55.08 | enouf | smacnay: heck - even lspci -k shows nvidiafb on mine, but it most certainly is not loaded, and not used |
| 03:55.42 | smacnay | enouf: I will be back in a sec |
| 03:55.58 | enouf | smacnay: if you're having issues with nvidia.com binary blob .. oh well is all i can say |
| 03:56.18 | jpinx | heh |
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| 03:57.24 | scientes | nvidia has bugs, but i need my dual screens oh well |
| 03:57.44 | jpinx | I have installed iceweasel but can't start it in the xfce4 desktop or cl - how can I make it work? |
| 03:57.46 | scientes | just wait for intel to make some better cards |
| 03:57.51 | stoned | yo |
| 03:58.00 | stoned | jpinx, enouf, scientes ! |
| 03:58.38 | jpinx | stabs stoned with uncooked spaghetti |
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| 03:58.57 | stoned | jpinx, aren't you the 60 year old grampa? |
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| 03:59.04 | stoned | who travels the world fixing computers? |
| 03:59.07 | stoned | or something |
| 03:59.21 | stoned | I think |
| 03:59.21 | smacnay | enouf: well, nvidiafb did not load this time but pcsp did (even though it is blacklisted) and sound does not work right now. |
| 03:59.25 | jpinx | stoned: aren't you the 30 year old delinquent ? |
| 03:59.34 | smacnay | enouf: the vga=791 worked, thanks |
| 03:59.34 | stoned | no actually I'm not |
| 03:59.54 | stoned | just wondering man, dunno why you're getting all weird about it |
| 03:59.54 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.55 | stoned | jeez |
| 04:00.00 | stoned | jpinx, dudeman... |
| 04:00.06 | stoned | if that rings a bell |
| 04:00.19 | jpinx | ding |
| 04:00.42 | jpinx | you got too many faces dudeman ;) |
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| 04:00.58 | stoned | eh |
| 04:01.35 | dudeman | seeing as you're not using it :p |
| 04:02.13 | enouf | smacnay: ok. .. one down, one to go .. show me what rgrep -i pcsp /etc/modprobe.d/ says |
| 04:02.33 | enouf | stoned: dumbass |
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| 04:02.42 | enouf | :-p |
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| 04:03.19 | smacnay | enouf: let me get into X so I can paste this to pastebin |
| 04:03.23 | enouf | teaches stoned how to ghost his own nick :-P |
| 04:03.35 | enouf | smacnay: sure ..ok |
| 04:04.01 | enouf | scientes: tune2fs |
| 04:04.19 | scientes | do i need to unmount? |
| 04:04.26 | jpinx | even I can do that, but I can't get iceweasel to start..... |
| 04:04.28 | enouf | scientes: or do it when using me2kfs |
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| 04:06.20 | stoned | heh |
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| 04:06.58 | smacnay_ | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1264810 |
| 04:07.35 | scientes | sweet that was easy |
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| 04:09.33 | enouf | smacnay: try changing snd-pcsp to snd_pcsp (believe it or not) .. here's my entry /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist:blacklist snd_pcsp |
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| 04:09.54 | smacnay | enouf: I will try - thanks |
| 04:10.30 | smacnay | enouf: back in a sec |
| 04:10.55 | enouf | smacnay: ok - might find this useful |
| 04:10.59 | enouf | smacnay: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1264811 |
| 04:11.05 | jpinx | there's a resizefs command in linux too, but I can't remember the syntax |
| 04:11.24 | enouf | j_pinx: resizefs |
| 04:11.31 | enouf | j_pinx: er resize2fs |
| 04:11.52 | enouf | for resizing ext2/3 FSs |
| 04:12.09 | jpinx | enouf: yea - that one |
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| 04:12.31 | enouf | er .. i wrote "me2kfs" above .. haha |
| 04:13.08 | jpinx | heh - I always forget that most commands for filesystems say "...2fs" not just "...fs" |
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| 04:19.11 | jpinx | gives up on Iceweasel and installs opera |
| 04:19.45 | joneal | hi |
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| 04:26.49 | yitz_ | waves to joneal |
| 04:27.03 | joneal | hey yitz_ |
| 04:27.17 | joneal | I was wondering if anyone would be online |
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| 04:28.26 | jpinx | joneal: 836 online according to my client |
| 04:29.44 | yitz_ | Mine counts 853 |
| 04:29.47 | _anyone | I would be online |
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| 04:43.11 | dacs | howdy |
| 04:45.49 | jpinx | hi dacs |
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| 04:51.32 | dacs | how can i remote desktop to a windows srvr |
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| 04:57.09 | sabrewulf | avidemux not let me add audio to AC3, I can do? |
| 04:57.13 | stoned | rdp |
| 04:57.18 | stoned | !rdp |
| 04:57.18 | dpkg | i guess rdp is an acronym. ask me about <remote desktop protocol> or <reliable datagram protocol> |
| 04:57.46 | stoned | stupid |
| 04:58.03 | stoned | dpkg rdp is also apt-get install rdesktop |
| 04:58.04 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 04:58.22 | _anyone | dacs: google for remove desktop |
| 04:58.33 | stoned | _anyone, uhm... |
| 04:58.34 | _anyone | ehhh, remote desktop |
| 04:58.36 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:58.39 | _anyone | lol |
| 04:58.49 | stoned | no need, rdesktop lets you remtoe to windows |
| 05:01.39 | dacs | stoned: aptitude install rdesktop |
| 05:02.27 | enouf | .. patronizes stoned |
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| 05:04.24 | endeavormac | i have a script in /etc/init.d that isn't running on boot and i'm a bit puzzled |
| 05:06.11 | itnm48 | when i run screen -dm program_A, program_A doesn't start like i expect it to. for example, screen -dm iceweasel doesn't work, but just running iceweasel does. |
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| 05:08.01 | itnm48 | the reason i want to use to screen is so that i can continue to use the terminal after i start a GUI program. maybe there is a better way to do what i want to do. |
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| 05:11.22 | itnm48 | if i just type screen iceweasel and then detach, that does work, interestingly enough |
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| 05:13.55 | yitz_ | itnm48: Run it in the background |
| 05:13.59 | yitz_ | iceweasel & |
| 05:14.02 | stoned | no |
| 05:14.07 | stoned | yes |
| 05:14.10 | stoned | but you can't use screen with X |
| 05:14.16 | yitz_ | Why not? |
| 05:14.20 | stoned | or X apps |
| 05:15.58 | g2g591 | why not just start the GUI program OUTSIDE the terminal |
| 05:16.45 | stoned | he wants it to run in the bg like screen keeps things open in bg |
| 05:16.57 | stoned | but it doesn't work like that because of the client/server model of X |
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| 05:17.30 | itnm48 | g2g591, it is more convenient for me to start program from the command line |
| 05:17.39 | itnm48 | err...programs. |
| 05:18.20 | stoned | alright fine |
| 05:18.39 | cyzie | how do i only remove pacakage without other package? |
| 05:18.41 | stoned | screen iceweasel ^a^d fine. |
| 05:18.59 | stoned | now when you close X for any reason, your screen instance of iceweasel will also die |
| 05:19.09 | stoned | if X remains open, so will iceweasel inside screen. |
| 05:19.37 | stoned | so it doesn't really matter if you start X apps inside screen or not, becase as soon as the Xserver dies, so do the clients connected to it |
| 05:19.40 | stoned | does this make sense? |
| 05:19.47 | stoned | or am I not getting through to you at all? |
| 05:19.57 | yitz_ | He's not killing X |
| 05:20.08 | itnm48 | i'm not killing X. |
| 05:20.13 | yitz_ | Use & |
| 05:20.28 | stoned | but what is the fucking point in doing what a wm already does! |
| 05:20.35 | stoned | do you know the point of 'screen' program? |
| 05:20.45 | endeavormac | i am really having a problem with this, i tried update-rc.d and rcconf, i can not get this /etc/init.d script to start on boot, i have to manually /etc/init.d/hpasm start after startup |
| 05:20.46 | yitz_ | He's using it to bg a program |
| 05:20.46 | stoned | I mean seriously |
| 05:20.52 | stoned | which is dumb. |
| 05:21.02 | yitz_ | Yes. Hence the advice to simply use & |
| 05:21.18 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, does anyone know if it's possible to configure SSH to AllowUsers only on certain hosts? e.g. a family member on 192.168.1.x? |
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| 05:21.38 | yitz_ | Yes, I believe it is |
| 05:21.46 | itnm48 | yitz_: i'll do that. will i still get messages from stdout though? |
| 05:21.57 | stoned | http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Host-Based_Authentication.html |
| 05:22.01 | stoned | you know |
| 05:22.06 | stoned | it was the first result in google... |
| 05:22.20 | yitz_ | itnm48: Yes |
| 05:23.06 | ArtVandalae | stoned, sorry I tried searching, I was getting the wrong results. |
| 05:23.07 | yitz_ | itnm48: To get rid of that, you can do: iceweasel &>/dev/null & |
| 05:23.10 | yitz_ | A bit long... |
| 05:23.21 | yitz_ | Might be worth wrapping a function around |
| 05:23.25 | itnm48 | yitz_: i see |
| 05:23.26 | stoned | ArtVandalae, no you were getting correct results. |
| 05:23.31 | itnm48 | yes, that's a good idea. |
| 05:23.39 | stoned | ArtVandalae, your query was wrong, but the results were accurate |
| 05:23.45 | ArtVandalae | :) |
| 05:23.51 | stoned | ArtVandalae, I searched for 'ssh host based auth' |
| 05:24.13 | stoned | ArtVandalae, btw I love Mr. Costanza |
| 05:24.17 | stoned | ;) |
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| 05:31.59 | bugjar | endeavormac: what's the link to the program in the rc directory? or maybe, which runlevel is it supposed to start in? |
| 05:32.18 | endeavormac | i just found out i can add a line to rc.local |
| 05:32.20 | endeavormac | that's what i did |
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| 05:40.38 | bugjar | endeavormac: cool. and probably a somewhat easier solution that i would have suggested. i like sysV runlevel directories. :) |
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| 05:44.22 | scientes | any methods for signed ssh keys? |
| 05:45.53 | endeavormac | yep, well thanks anyway :) |
| 05:46.37 | joshux | what does pre-depends mean, for example "e2fsprogs pre-depends on libblkid1" |
| 05:47.09 | Throat | the name suggests that it has to be installed before the other package? |
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| 05:47.41 | joshux | but, there is depends |
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| 05:48.10 | Throat | !pre-depends |
| 05:48.10 | dpkg | if package A pre-depends package B, then package B has to be installed and configured before package A can be installed |
| 05:48.27 | Throat | and dpkg agrees :) |
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| 05:49.23 | joshux | dpkg, can I remove B ? |
| 05:49.24 | Throat | for other dependencies you could install the dependency after the package that needs it |
| 05:49.24 | dpkg | joshux: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 05:49.41 | Throat | it's a bot |
| 05:49.54 | joshux | lol |
| 05:50.46 | dacs | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_MythTV_SVN_on_Debian_Sid |
| 05:50.56 | dacs | ^^ can this work for etch?! |
| 05:51.52 | Throat | joshux, pre-depends are also dependencies - but additionally the package has to be installed *before* the one that needs them |
| 05:52.24 | joshux | I see |
| 05:52.30 | Throat | hell, can't use copy&paste anymore |
| 05:53.14 | bugjar | predepends is rather confusing. why is it done that way? |
| 05:53.44 | joshux | my problem is I don't want selinux, but aptitude says there are some important packages like coreutils (pre)depend on it |
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| 05:55.29 | joshux | "it" is libselinux1 |
| 05:55.43 | Throat | joshux, dpkg -L libselinux1 |
| 05:55.58 | Throat | *why* don't you want that? |
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| 05:56.58 | joshux | cause it's an old computer, and doesn't need security |
| 05:57.20 | Throat | but is an installed size of 144KB worth losing any sleep about it? |
| 05:57.47 | joshux | and it can only connect to the internet with serial line |
| 05:57.57 | Throat | I don't use sellinux either... |
| 05:58.36 | joshux | Throat, and I want to recompile the kernel without selinux to save memory |
| 05:58.38 | Throat | afaik, that is |
| 06:00.39 | stoned | http://dugnet.com/klown/pics/iceweasel3.png <-- dude sweet! |
| 06:00.56 | stoned | I like this logo thingy icon thingy whatever it is |
| 06:01.52 | Throat | but whats libselinux1 got to do with what you compile into the kernel? |
| 06:05.13 | Throat | and actually "doesn't need security" is wrong when it's connected to the internet in any way... |
| 06:07.29 | dacs | bash: lspci: command not found <-- i get this |
| 06:09.34 | Throat | dacs, you're not root? |
| 06:09.43 | Throat | not installed... |
| 06:09.43 | Throat | !search |
| 06:09.47 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 06:10.16 | Throat | joshux, run e.g. ldd /bin/mkdir |
| 06:10.27 | dacs | Throat: i am root |
| 06:10.33 | Throat | joshux, or /bin/mv |
| 06:10.41 | Throat | dacs then install it |
| 06:11.14 | joshux | !selinux |
| 06:11.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3, or http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 06:12.25 | Throat | dacs, it's in pciutils (apt-file tells you things like that, too) |
| 06:12.54 | joshux | Throat, thanks |
| 06:13.12 | Throat | joshux, you see the result of ldd? |
| 06:13.21 | Throat | I don't think you want to remove that .so... |
| 06:13.22 | dacs | Throat: how do i install it |
| 06:13.36 | Throat | dacs, aptitude install pciutils |
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| 06:15.42 | bugjar | phooey. irrc is now translating [alt]-[3] as a cube power. |
| 06:15.49 | joshux | yeah, and if I compile the kernel without selinux , will there be a problem? |
| 06:16.20 | Throat | good question |
| 06:17.27 | Throat | I really never bothered much about selinux |
| 06:17.45 | Throat | just see a message at bootup for the laptop that it can'T mount /selinux |
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| 06:21.11 | Throat | I'd say not, as it's desactivated anyways |
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| 06:22.39 | joshux | maybe I'll just try it |
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| 06:28.25 | jpinx | Anyone tried GyacheI on Lenny - -the only .deb package I can find is for ubuntu :-| |
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| 06:29.58 | dacs | Throat: can you please take a look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_MythTV_SVN_on_Debian_Sid , can i still use it with Etch? |
| 06:30.22 | Throat | dacs you can only find out by trying :) |
| 06:30.54 | Throat | it's not a very long or complicated list of things to do either |
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| 06:31.12 | dacs | Throat: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid main |
| 06:31.14 | dacs | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid main |
| 06:31.42 | dacs | Throat: just change sid to etch |
| 06:32.03 | Throat | the reason they take sid is that the version is closer to svn |
| 06:32.13 | somnambulant | what is up with these floodbots on freenode- makes me want to hurt someone |
| 06:32.17 | Throat | might not be possible to fulfil the dependencies with etch |
| 06:32.50 | Throat | dacs, you should already have lines with etch in your sources.list |
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| 06:33.10 | Throat | perhaps not the deb-src one, though |
| 06:33.32 | dacs | Throat: i do, but i thought that those are required |
| 06:33.38 | Throat | !simple sid backport |
| 06:33.38 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 06:34.11 | Throat | you should still take the package from sid and backport it.... |
| 06:34.37 | dacs | Throat: but i am not running sid |
| 06:34.59 | Throat | and I didn't ask you to run it |
| 06:35.10 | Throat | see what dpkg wrote above |
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| 06:35.52 | Throat | you download the source-package from sid this way and compile it for etch |
| 06:36.48 | Throat | if your heart hangs on it so much, you could also consider upgrading to lenny... |
| 06:37.07 | Throat | lenny will become stable sooner or later anyways |
| 06:37.24 | jpinx | lenny is frozen I believe |
| 06:37.38 | Throat | it is |
| 06:37.43 | Throat | !freeze jpinx |
| 06:37.43 | dpkg | prepares to release jpinx. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
| 06:38.03 | jpinx | bah ! |
| 06:38.42 | JediatNight | is away: Gone away for now |
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| 06:39.45 | Throat | !tell JediatNight -about away |
| 06:40.55 | eclectic | hi, folks! |
| 06:41.08 | eclectic | I'm proud of myself tonite :) |
| 06:41.33 | eclectic | I just got X going by editing xorg.conf for first time ever! |
| 06:41.47 | Throat | ha |
| 06:42.32 | eclectic | x11 trouble stopped me from using linux for 6 years a while ago, so yay!! |
| 06:42.34 | Throat | sad news for you, xorg.conf is not needed anymore much in lenny, it seems |
| 06:43.14 | buu | Haha |
| 06:43.20 | buu | Yeah, I installed ubuntu the other day and had no xorg |
| 06:43.27 | buu | Er, xorg.conf. It puzzled me immensely. |
| 06:43.35 | eclectic | really |
| 06:43.41 | Throat | yes |
| 06:43.44 | Throat | !drxx |
| 06:43.45 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
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| 06:44.12 | Throat | what puzzles me... how do I do it -I don't have a desktop environment... |
| 06:44.13 | eclectic | well, whatever works is ok with me |
| 06:44.14 | Throat | but well... |
| 06:44.28 | eclectic | if i can comprehend it |
| 06:45.19 | eclectic | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg has served me well when moving hard drives from one machine to another, etc. |
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| 06:45.57 | Throat | I thought you didn't use linux for 6 years |
| 06:46.13 | Throat | mmmm "6 years a while ago" |
| 06:46.32 | eclectic | have been using it full time for 2 and a half years now |
| 06:46.47 | eclectic | after 6 years of trying |
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| 06:47.11 | Throat | so you got 8 years of linux experience now... |
| 06:47.17 | kenboo | how do I disable IPv6 in bind9? |
| 06:47.54 | eclectic | yes, on and off until june '06 |
| 06:48.27 | Throat | ask #bind? |
| 06:48.33 | eclectic | lots of windows time inbetween :( |
| 06:49.15 | eclectic | well, now my newly working xwindows, I can only startx from root |
| 06:49.26 | eclectic | it fails from normal user |
| 06:49.38 | Throat | never really started using windows.... was always repelled...perhaps it was a mistake |
| 06:49.43 | eclectic | so I wonder if someone can tell me what to change to fix that |
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| 06:50.25 | Throat | eclectic, what about using kdm/gdm? |
| 06:50.46 | eclectic | oh, this is on a ten year old thinkpad |
| 06:50.55 | Throat | so? |
| 06:51.00 | eclectic | so has to be very lightweight |
| 06:51.21 | kenboo | found answer by myself. add -4 in OPTIONS in /etc/default/bind9 |
| 06:51.22 | eclectic | started from dsl, tried to switch to debian, may reintall debian net |
| 06:51.47 | eclectic | reinstall debian net install |
| 06:51.48 | Throat | well... so? |
| 06:52.04 | Throat | gdm is 11MB |
| 06:52.36 | eclectic | so, you think i should install gdm? |
| 06:52.53 | eclectic | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.56 | Throat | well, it would be more fancy :) |
| 06:53.04 | Throat | and less annoying |
| 06:53.23 | eclectic | and work well with fluxbox? |
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| 06:53.56 | Throat | I wouldn't see why not |
| 06:53.59 | mxmx | how doe soen rename a file in debina? |
| 06:54.23 | Throat | to allow startx for users , it's an option somewhere in /etc/X11/... still looking for where exactly |
| 06:54.31 | epsilon | how about xdm if you want light one |
| 06:54.47 | Throat | oh, there's still an xdm? :) |
| 06:54.52 | eclectic | yeah, thanks, I'd like to know why it only starts from root |
| 06:54.52 | _anyone | mxmx: mv |
| 06:55.06 | epsilon | at least the package exists |
| 06:55.23 | epsilon | and doesnt depend on KDE/gnome libs :) |
| 06:55.59 | eclectic | xdm sounds good? |
| 06:56.07 | eclectic | apt-get install xdm? |
| 06:56.10 | epsilon | try it *shrugs* |
| 06:56.21 | Throat | eclectic, /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 06:56.50 | Throat | epsilon, I meant... I just forgot about xdm :) |
| 06:57.07 | Throat | heh |
| 06:57.46 | eclectic | xdm is installed :) |
| 06:57.50 | Throat | well |
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| 06:58.51 | joneal | hello |
| 06:58.53 | epsilon | there are still few other *dm, just try :) |
| 07:00.27 | Throat | apt-cache show gdm xdm |grep -B4 Installed-Size |
| 07:00.42 | JediatNight | is back. |
| 07:00.45 | Throat | just in case you care :) |
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| 07:02.53 | kenboo | I needed to add "edns no" to disable it, besides disabling IPv6 |
| 07:03.06 | kenboo | no more timeouts :D |
| 07:05.29 | nightstrike_ | I'm using debian etch and I recently upgraded my RAM from 1GB to 2.5GB (replaced one out of two 512MB cards with a 2GB one). My opensolaris and windows detected the RAM upgrade but my Debian still tells me I've got 1GB (and seems to use only that much). How do I correct this? |
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| 07:06.26 | kenboo | what does "cat /proc/meminfo" say? |
| 07:06.32 | Throat | on the same machine? |
| 07:06.48 | Throat | memory is always autodetected |
| 07:07.01 | nightstrike_ | it says 906040 kb total memory |
| 07:07.22 | nightstrike_ | my graphics card borrows 128MB, so hence the slightly reduced amount |
| 07:07.37 | kenboo | what mobo? |
| 07:07.58 | _anyone | tried to change the order of RAM? but still a strange issue... |
| 07:08.01 | nightstrike_ | yes, opensolaris and windows on the same machine |
| 07:08.17 | joneal | I've got a question |
| 07:08.17 | Throat | sounds impossible |
| 07:08.19 | nightstrike_ | i tried changing the order as well |
| 07:08.41 | nightstrike_ | weirdest part was, I even tried using ONLY the 2gb card. And it still said 1GB |
| 07:08.56 | Throat | !bigmem |
| 07:08.56 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit. |
| 07:09.08 | Throat | you're still well below that |
| 07:09.12 | nightstrike_ | yes |
| 07:09.21 | dacs | fdisk -l shows my other HDD as hdb1, but i don't see it in gnome?why |
| 07:09.21 | nightstrike_ | i'm using kernel version 2.6.25.9 |
| 07:09.22 | _anyone | which kerneö? |
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| 07:09.28 | _anyone | ah |
| 07:09.38 | Throat | and I don't see any othr thing that could cause trouble |
| 07:09.47 | nightstrike_ | i tried a kernel recompile as well |
| 07:09.49 | nightstrike_ | :| |
| 07:09.52 | nightstrike_ | no joy |
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| 07:10.42 | _anyone | strange... tried other live linux with similar kernel? You could maybe limit the issue by kernel or setting what ever |
| 07:10.44 | Throat | nightstrike_, what does it look like in dmesg when it's detected |
| 07:11.08 | nightstrike_ | i tried booting a gentoo liveCD, and meminfo gave a correct output |
| 07:11.20 | _anyone | dacs: does it have a filesystem? |
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| 07:11.53 | Throat | nightstrike_, well, what kernel was that? |
| 07:12.06 | dacs | _anyone: /dev/hdb1 1 38792 19551136+ 83 Linux |
| 07:12.11 | nightstrike_ | not sure |
| 07:12.12 | Throat | still... 2.6.25 is rather recent |
| 07:12.15 | nightstrike_ | gentoo 2007 |
| 07:12.21 | joneal | I'm looking for a guide that would explain how to setup a ATI Radeon x1300 card on Debian Etch |
| 07:12.26 | nightstrike_ | so, would be around 2.6.19 I think |
| 07:12.32 | _anyone | dacs: and is it mounted? |
| 07:12.41 | Throat | !ati |
| 07:12.42 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 07:13.07 | Throat | joneal, ask dpkg e.g. by /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 07:13.19 | joneal | ok |
| 07:13.21 | dacs | _anyone: thats what i need help with, should i mount -t etx 3 /dev/hda |
| 07:13.25 | joneal | thanks |
| 07:13.45 | Throat | joneal, you'll most probably need to know what graphics card it is - /msg dpkg whats my hardware for a list of ways to find out |
| 07:13.54 | Throat | (if you don't know already) |
| 07:13.59 | nightstrike_ | Throat, I think the earlier part of my dmesg is truncated |
| 07:14.06 | _anyone | dacs: if it's common filesystem, you even dont need to tell which FS |
| 07:14.19 | _anyone | just mount <device> <dir> |
| 07:14.34 | _anyone | or add it in /etc/fstab if it's permanent |
| 07:15.07 | nightstrike_ | how can I preserve all my current settings with a reinstall? |
| 07:15.10 | Throat | nightstrike_, well, check on next reboot... also look in the BIOS - although that would be the first bios I hear of ever, that limits the amount of ram in a computer... |
| 07:15.39 | Throat | and also manages to convince the linux kernel of that... |
| 07:15.44 | nightstrike_ | Throat, I doubt it'll be a problem with bios, because the other two OSes detected it properly |
| 07:15.48 | nightstrike_ | yes, exactly |
| 07:15.52 | nightstrike_ | thats the funny part |
| 07:15.54 | Throat | well |
| 07:15.56 | dacs | _anyone: i am a little confused , i am setting up the box to be pvr and i wanted to dedicate that 20GB for recording |
| 07:16.16 | nightstrike_ | I need this RAM badly for some virtualising :( |
| 07:16.37 | Throat | nightstrike_, your computer's acting weird... it doesn't make any sense, so might as well check |
| 07:16.41 | _anyone | nightstrike_: did you try with xen kernel? |
| 07:16.48 | nightstrike_ | no |
| 07:17.02 | _anyone | long shot, but maybe... |
| 07:17.11 | kenboo | how about copying the kernel from the gentoo disk since it's known to work |
| 07:17.12 | Throat | try with the same kernel version as the gentoo one that showed the ram, perhaps |
| 07:17.22 | nightstrike_ | hmmm... |
| 07:17.23 | dacs | how do i upgrade my kernel? |
| 07:17.24 | Throat | kenboo, :-P |
| 07:17.26 | nightstrike_ | worth a shot |
| 07:17.45 | _anyone | dacs: stay with vanilla unless you know what you are doing |
| 07:18.00 | nightstrike_ | i've done something like that before, uname -r on debian would then say '2.6.19-gentoo' or something like that :P |
| 07:18.00 | Throat | dacs, apt-get install linux-image-<kernel-version> |
| 07:18.35 | dacs | Throat: what is the latest |
| 07:18.52 | _anyone | who cares how the kernel is labeled *shrugs* |
| 07:19.00 | Throat | nightstrike_, well, then try 2.6.18 from etch first... perhaps it's a bug in recent kernels? |
| 07:19.08 | Throat | dacs, /msg dpkg search |
| 07:19.09 | nightstrike_ | maybe |
| 07:19.18 | nightstrike_ | let me try the etch kernel |
| 07:19.30 | Throat | as long as you don't install libc6 from slacware as well... |
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| 07:19.52 | _anyone | dacs: normal update will provide you the kernel you should use, so need to hax manually |
| 07:20.04 | _anyone | *no need to hax |
| 07:20.18 | Throat | hax? hit with an ax? |
| 07:20.35 | _anyone | no that a LART |
| 07:21.56 | dacs | _anyone: you are right, currently i am 2.6.17-2 |
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| 07:23.51 | Throat | and it really seems that having wireless and/or headset plugged in via usb breaks suspend for my laptop |
| 07:24.23 | Throat | hangs in 50% of the cases when suspending, in the other 50% on waking up... |
| 07:24.24 | rhineheart_m | hello..I got error 27. Mine is etch. How to manually boot up? |
| 07:24.36 | rhineheart_m | grub failure |
| 07:25.04 | Throat | !grub errors |
| 07:25.05 | dpkg | [grub.errors] grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
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| 07:26.39 | rhineheart_m | ok.. file not found. How would I fix it? |
| 07:27.09 | Throat | eh? |
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| 07:27.45 | Throat | 27 : Unrecognized command |
| 07:28.26 | dacs | rhineheart_m: best thing to do, used a liveCD to fix it |
| 07:28.44 | Throat | you gave some weird boot command to grub |
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| 07:29.43 | nightstrike_ | Throat, the debian etch kernel is working fine |
| 07:29.43 | rhineheart_m | any other option? |
| 07:29.48 | nightstrike_ | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 07:29.51 | nightstrike_ | :| |
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| 07:30.10 | Throat | nightstrike_, file a bug report? |
| 07:30.17 | rhineheart_m | 2.6.18-6-486 here |
| 07:30.21 | nightstrike_ | yeah |
| 07:30.24 | Throat | not against the etch kernel, though ;) |
| 07:30.27 | nightstrike_ | :P |
| 07:30.33 | kenboo | hehe |
| 07:30.52 | nightstrike_ | Now what about the 2.6.25.9 kernel? I configured my sound, virtualbox, wireless for that kernel |
| 07:31.25 | rhineheart_m | I have this kernel 2.6.18-6-486 . How would I boot it manually? |
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| 07:31.35 | Throat | what weird version is 2.6.25.9 anyways |
| 07:31.45 | nightstrike_ | hey, I think I figured out the problem! |
| 07:32.04 | nightstrike_ | let me try a 'clean' and then compile 2.6.25.9 again |
| 07:32.13 | dacs | http://debian.pastebin.com/d1fb576ae <---- help please |
| 07:32.19 | nightstrike_ | Throat, well, that's what uname -r is giving me :P |
| 07:32.38 | Throat | its not a debian kernel, though... |
| 07:32.45 | nightstrike_ | yeah |
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| 07:32.53 | Throat | 1st you mess it up, then you come here... |
| 07:32.54 | Throat | tsk |
| 07:33.00 | nightstrike_ | got it and compiled it manually |
| 07:33.04 | nightstrike_ | hehe :P |
| 07:33.08 | Throat | DONT file a bug report then |
| 07:33.13 | nightstrike_ | anyways, thanks! |
| 07:34.15 | Throat | rhineheart_m, nobody can tell you with this information |
| 07:35.02 | rhineheart_m | I need to boot up etch after grub failure due to incorrect menu.lst |
| 07:35.11 | Throat | !rescue mode |
| 07:35.12 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 07:35.56 | Throat | ... is probably what you need |
| 07:37.07 | rhineheart_m | Throat, I'm not using VLM |
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| 07:37.39 | PDani_ | hi |
| 07:37.52 | Throat | so you don't need additional steps.... |
| 07:38.05 | PDani_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.23 | PDani_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.54 | Throat | yeah... things do that |
| 07:39.16 | Throat | use wget --referer='<host>' |
| 07:40.03 | PDani_ | and what should be the host? |
| 07:40.46 | Throat | same url? |
| 07:41.18 | Throat | s/<host>/<url>/ |
| 07:41.39 | PDani_ | Throat: it doesn't work :( |
| 07:41.47 | Throat | doesn't always wrk, though |
| 07:42.10 | Throat | perhaps it's just broken |
| 07:42.40 | PDani_ | it works in explorer under windows with windows media player plugin |
| 07:43.22 | PDani_ | and i just can't find out how could i make it work with any plugin... |
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| 07:47.34 | Throat | actually, wget downloads that file |
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| 07:47.45 | Throat | Ref1=http://stream.giganet.hu/nytv/Nylt-tr/NYLT_TR_2008-11-18.wmv?MSWMExt=.asf |
| 07:47.45 | Throat | Ref2=http://193.138.125.45:80/nytv/Nylt-tr/NYLT_TR_2008-11-18.wmv?MSWMExt=.asf |
| 07:48.12 | hoxu | disarms the spammer alarm |
| 07:48.25 | PDani_ | yes, but if you download one of these refs, then you get back the same file |
| 07:48.26 | Throat | ehe, sorry :) |
| 07:48.45 | eclectic | Throat: I tried and tried with xwrapper.config, no results; xdm gave me an error on sign-in; X when it works comes up as DSL; xdm had Debian logo; |
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| 07:48.50 | Throat | hm, indeed |
| 07:49.21 | eclectic | I think the system is confused by DSL vs Debian and I should reinstall Deb net install |
| 07:49.40 | eclectic | thanks for your suggestions; it's all learning :) |
| 07:49.49 | eclectic | and goodnight. |
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| 07:56.28 | jpinx | what's the date/time set command please? |
| 07:56.44 | cahoot | date |
| 07:57.29 | jpinx | cahoot: that's one but there's another that includes timezone |
| 07:57.50 | jpinx | man date didn't show it "see also" :( |
| 07:57.52 | Throat | tzconfig? |
| 07:57.58 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:58.09 | jpinx | Throat: that's it -- thanks:) |
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| 07:59.24 | jpinx | Throat: fwiw -- the tzconfig command is deprecated, please use: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 07:59.39 | Throat | hm... |
| 07:59.45 | Throat | !timezone |
| 07:59.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, timezone is "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
| 08:00.47 | Throat | dpkg, timezone =~ s/tzconfig/dpkg-reconfigure tzdata/ |
| 08:00.47 | dpkg | Throat: OK |
| 08:01.55 | Throat | I checked if I should also call that factoid for you, but decided it didn't really have more info... :) |
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| 08:03.43 | zhan_zr | I have a problem. What is the same thing in linux programming just as the Windows Message in Windows program development? |
| 08:04.16 | SystemFAILURE | Hello , just a question .. I downloaded Debian Etch and i'm going to try it , so , what are the desktop managers that I can choose in the installation process ? Thank you . |
| 08:04.42 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, you can install gnome, kde or xfce at least. which are you interested in? |
| 08:04.48 | jpinx | SystemFAILURE: if you have reasonable space, use Gnome or KDE |
| 08:04.50 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: gnome |
| 08:05.08 | SystemFAILURE | Is Gnome included in the Debian CD ? 'cause i've got a poor 56k connection |
| 08:05.10 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, gnome installs by default if you select desktop environment |
| 08:05.12 | jpinx | gnome works well for my laptop ;) |
| 08:05.21 | SystemFAILURE | jpinx:: i'm a gnome fan , lol |
| 08:05.25 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: perfect |
| 08:05.32 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, if you have the entire first CD . . . not the net installer |
| 08:05.33 | Throat | whats a Windows Message |
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| 08:05.42 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: yeah of course :) |
| 08:05.53 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: I read the downloads FAQ pages , eh , lol |
| 08:05.54 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, then you should be fine. |
| 08:05.58 | jpinx | SystemFAILURE: I used a slow dialup for an overnight install a fewe months ago |
| 08:06.14 | SystemFAILURE | jpinx:: :D |
| 08:06.18 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, awesome. so many people neglect to read :) |
| 08:06.33 | zhan_zr | I have a problem. What is the same thing in linux programming just as the Windows Message in Windows program development? |
| 08:06.34 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: noob is who noob does |
| 08:06.46 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 08:06.52 | SystemFAILURE | jpinx:: my network provider is too unstable :( |
| 08:06.58 | jpinx | SystemFAILURE: welcome to debian then |
| 08:07.05 | SystemFAILURE | So i'm going to try out Debian instead of upgrading Ubuntu tu 8.10 |
| 08:07.08 | SystemFAILURE | jpinx:: thank you ! :D |
| 08:07.09 | jpinx | you'll upgrade to lenny within a month |
| 08:07.34 | SystemFAILURE | jpinx:: is this possible without reinstalling * ? |
| 08:07.42 | jpinx | SystemFAILURE: of course |
| 08:07.52 | SystemFAILURE | jpinx:: perfect |
| 08:07.56 | jpinx | I did it while I was working online |
| 08:08.14 | SystemFAILURE | jpinx:: how many megabytes are usually these updates ? |
| 08:08.19 | jpinx | it'll be slow for you with your connection, but well worth it |
| 08:08.20 | Throat | yeah, updatesstill suck :( |
| 08:08.23 | SystemFAILURE | (sorry for my bad english , i'm italian) |
| 08:09.03 | jpinx | SystemFAILURE: you're doing fine in english. My install is about 3 GBs |
| 08:09.09 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, well you could get your hands on a lenny CD and use it as an apt-source to upgrade |
| 08:09.17 | jpinx | but I have a load of extras in there |
| 08:09.23 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: oh ! perfect :D |
| 08:09.29 | SystemFAILURE | I'll do the same then |
| 08:09.29 | Throat | problem with updates is that you've got to be present, else it stops on a question |
| 08:09.43 | SystemFAILURE | For Debian 4 my friend downloaded it for me and sent it by mail :P |
| 08:09.55 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, you can read about apt-cdrom . . . i think that should help with that. and there is a etch->lenny factoid on dpkg inhere |
| 08:10.01 | jpinx | Throat: true, but you can use etch while the upgrade is being done |
| 08:10.25 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: so i'll ask here if i'll have problems with the update or with my new system :) |
| 08:10.33 | jpinx | SystemFAILURE: get your etch install done and settled first ;) |
| 08:10.41 | SystemFAILURE | jyep |
| 08:10.42 | Throat | would be much nicer if all questions are asked in one go, though... |
| 08:10.49 | jpinx | SystemFAILURE: you will find lots of help here |
| 08:10.50 | SystemFAILURE | Does an italian debian channel exist ? |
| 08:10.52 | Throat | this way you have to keep watching it |
| 08:10.55 | Throat | !it |
| 08:10.56 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:10.56 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, you can also run apt-get dist-upgrade with the download only option so you can just download slowly then install after everything has been downloaded. you have ots of options |
| 08:11.18 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: how many megabytes are usually these updates ? |
| 08:11.46 | Lagbolt | hmmm for compete upgrade? no idea. probably around a GB? give or take. |
| 08:11.48 | jpinx | Throat: agreed, but better than most distros and os's who claim the computer for hours to upgrade |
| 08:12.05 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, if you just use the packages that come on the first CD then about the size of the CD image lol |
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| 08:12.21 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: oh :P |
| 08:13.04 | jpinx | SystemFAILURE: you can get a good working Debian system into about 600MBs with xfce4 |
| 08:13.08 | Throat | SystemFAILURE, you might also /msg dpkg apt offline (and the factoids mentioned within) - but I don't know if that applies to your case |
| 08:13.25 | jpinx | Gnome and KDE are big - about 1 GB for either |
| 08:13.27 | SystemFAILURE | Throat:: i'll C |
| 08:13.31 | SystemFAILURE | jpinx:: i prefer Gnome |
| 08:13.33 | Throat | jpinx, well....... it took hours - or at least seemed to |
| 08:14.05 | jpinx | Throat: I upgraded happily while I was working and chatting on here ;) |
| 08:14.35 | SystemFAILURE | is backing up his ~15GB datafiles |
| 08:14.59 | jpinx | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata is giving me a different time every time I do it - by about 3 hours |
| 08:15.10 | jpinx | anyone know wtf is happening? |
| 08:15.16 | Throat | nite |
| 08:15.28 | jpinx | Throat: nite - and thanks |
| 08:15.55 | echolink1833 | hey guys can i post a url to my blog here, its related to linux stuff |
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| 08:18.59 | cahoot | !set time |
| 08:18.59 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 08:19.35 | SystemFAILURE | What's this 'tzconfig' ? |
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| 08:22.53 | Lagbolt | SystemFAILURE, tzconfig sets timezone |
| 08:23.09 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: thx |
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| 08:26.05 | LoLa | hello |
| 08:26.07 | LoLa | who help me? |
| 08:26.39 | SystemFAILURE | LoLa:: don't ask to ask , ask ! |
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| 08:27.08 | LoLa | my wireless wont connect if the network is encrypted |
| 08:27.21 | LoLa | and i am about to format |
| 08:27.29 | LoLa | because this is getting me out of myself |
| 08:27.42 | LoLa | any of them will work systemfailure |
| 08:27.55 | LoLa | if i have my wirelss with no authentication is fine, connects and np |
| 08:28.08 | LoLa | the moment i set any kind of password, debian won't configure the device |
| 08:28.19 | LoLa | and the thing will timeout |
| 08:28.33 | SystemFAILURE | LoLa:: completely sure that it's a not a wireless adapter/device/card etc problem ? |
| 08:28.34 | LoLa | http://paste.debian.net/22076/ that's dmesg output |
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| 08:29.26 | LoLa | systemfailure |
| 08:29.28 | SparFux | How can I get a list in aptitude which older packages of package X I can install? |
| 08:29.30 | LoLa | it was working fine before i unplugged the router a week ago with the computer on |
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| 08:29.52 | SystemFAILURE | LoLa:: maybe a router interal misconfiguration ? |
| 08:29.56 | SystemFAILURE | *internal |
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| 08:30.32 | LoLa | not with authentication anyway |
| 08:30.40 | LoLa | hmmm |
| 08:30.40 | SystemFAILURE | Dunno |
| 08:31.04 | LoLa | could be but i see everything all right.. and the problem is that it connects just fine when the network is not protected |
| 08:31.38 | LoLa | problem is while authenticating |
| 08:32.18 | LoLa | SystemFAILURE |
| 08:32.27 | SystemFAILURE | Dunno |
| 08:32.44 | LoLa | ok :\ |
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| 08:50.45 | Dark_Sun | hello |
| 08:51.04 | SystemFAILURE | Dark_Sun:: hello (ciao compagno italiano ;)) |
| 08:51.16 | Dark_Sun | :P |
| 08:53.45 | Dark_Sun | is there a fresh repository ? i need to upgrade apache but the one on debian's repository is quite old |
| 08:54.05 | SystemFAILURE | Dark_Sun:: download it from apache.org |
| 08:55.16 | Dark_Sun | i want a fast upgrade with apt :P |
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| 08:58.13 | amigalove | good mornig at italy |
| 08:58.44 | SystemFAILURE | amigalove:: ehila' |
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| 08:59.17 | amigalove | ci sono italiani |
| 08:59.32 | SystemFAILURE | amigalove:: <SystemFAILURE> amigalove:: ehila' |
| 09:00.20 | amigalove | Ok. i have one questions.Can install on debian 4.00 release the realtime patch? |
| 09:00.55 | SystemFAILURE | amigalove:: what patch are you talking about ? |
| 09:01.55 | amigalove | i want install emc2 machine control on the debian linux release, but emc2 run with the rtai patch. |
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| 09:05.02 | ProTip1 | hello, can anyone tell me how i can create a mail file for my user? |
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| 09:09.11 | LoLa | colpisce AciD con un grosso e puzzolente tonno! |
| 09:09.23 | harryman100 | Hi, does anyone know of a good introduction/tutorial for debian for people who are fairly familiar with linux - I'm a gentoo person, but I've not played with debian before and want to give it a go (mostly server stuff, not desktop stuff)? |
| 09:09.42 | cryptw | the only thing you need to know is |
| 09:09.46 | cryptw | apt-get install |
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| 09:10.56 | harryman100 | cryptw: installing stuff isn't too much of a worry, I'm more concerned about knowing where to look for init scripts / standard locations for configuration files/ stuff like that? |
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| 09:11.08 | liable | thats in /etc |
| 09:11.09 | StormBlade | #gentoo |
| 09:11.22 | liable | ricer! |
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| 09:13.08 | sladi | jelly: Hey, elinks in experimental seems to work very well with utf8. :) |
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| 09:14.46 | harryman100 | (that's a helpful response - I ask a perfectly reasonable question, and I get three people, give me answers I already knew (which weren't really answereing the question), and some abuse - maybe I'll stick with gentoo) |
| 09:16.06 | liable | bit touchy.. |
| 09:16.32 | ProTip1 | indeed. |
| 09:16.52 | liable | i didnt even say the ricer thing to him. it was from when StormBlade joined. and it was tounge in cheek.. |
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| 09:17.07 | Pavlz | hello |
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| 09:17.25 | Pavlz | i got a problem with my laptop |
| 09:17.43 | Pavlz | the hard drive lowly is breaking |
| 09:17.56 | Lagbolt | Pavlz, get a new HD |
| 09:18.08 | sladi | and put it in water |
| 09:18.16 | Pavlz | i nat the moment i have not another one |
| 09:18.32 | Pavlz | at |
| 09:18.48 | Pavlz | i have not at |
| 09:19.00 | Pavlz | another one |
| 09:19.09 | liable | Pavlz: so what do you want us to help you with? |
| 09:19.17 | Pavlz | so i must to download debian from ftp |
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| 09:19.34 | Pavlz | but there is for cd and dvd |
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| 09:20.17 | liable | Pavlz: you can just use the netinst if you will have internet when you install |
| 09:20.19 | Pavlz | in this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 09:21.15 | Pavlz | netist is minimal |
| 09:21.25 | Pavlz | but what is inside ? |
| 09:22.00 | liable | you can install a base system if you dont have internet, or install whatever you like if you have internet when you install |
| 09:22.20 | Pavlz | at the moment i am using my |
| 09:22.46 | Pavlz | router dlink dsl g6246t with the wi-fi |
| 09:23.29 | Pavlz | and in the laptop there is a simemns gigaset pccard 108 802.11g |
| 09:23.48 | Pavlz | so i am using the net of my home via wi-fi |
| 09:24.08 | Pavlz | on ubuntu is supported very well |
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| 09:24.30 | Pavlz | and i don't needed to build from source madwifi |
| 09:24.48 | liable | you wont be able to install over wireless |
| 09:25.07 | Pavlz | in debian madwifi must be installed by source code |
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| 09:25.41 | Pavlz | i never did with madwifi |
| 09:25.49 | Pavlz | this is the difference |
| 09:25.59 | ProTip1 | so..can anyone tell me how i can create a mail file for my user? |
| 09:26.23 | Pavlz | because first i got this problem i don't know that HAL was inside on ubuntu |
| 09:26.45 | j_pinx | Pavlz, I installed madwifi by aptitude |
| 09:26.50 | Pavlz | so i am asking you if i must to build from source |
| 09:27.13 | Pavlz | or i can do ap-get install |
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| 09:27.49 | j_pinx | Pavlz, Idid aptitude install madwifi && madwifi-tools |
| 09:27.50 | liable | you have to build it. but the source package is in the repo, and can be built very easily |
| 09:28.43 | Pavlz | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5212/AR5213 Multiprotocol MAC/baseband processor (rev 01) |
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| 09:29.03 | rhodescus | ProTip1: You don't have a mail file in /var/spool/mail/ ? |
| 09:29.56 | Pavlz | is very easely you say |
| 09:30.06 | Pavlz | but what is the syntax |
| 09:30.06 | rhodescus | ProTip1: If you have a local smtp server running, you can send yourself a local email, that should create one for you. |
| 09:30.22 | Pavlz | to build from from source madwifi ? |
| 09:30.28 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: no, i do not have a file in there |
| 09:30.28 | rhodescus | ProTip1: provided you've configured your mta for local delivery |
| 09:30.33 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: all other users do |
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| 09:31.13 | liable | Pavlz: apt-get install madwifi-source module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 09:31.39 | Pavlz | and for madwifi-tools ? |
| 09:31.44 | rhodescus | ProTip1: send yourself an email locally with mail |
| 09:31.54 | liable | just install it with apt-get.. |
| 09:32.05 | rhodescus | ProTip1: your local MTA should create the file when you get an email. |
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| 09:32.31 | Pavlz | i undertood apt-get |
| 09:32.40 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: another user on the system claimed they sent me mail; maybe they did not do so correctly :/ |
| 09:32.42 | j_pinx | !tell Pavlz about madwifi |
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| 09:33.11 | rhodescus | ProTip1: did they get an error response? E.g., returned mail? |
| 09:33.16 | Pavlz | but i must to build or not ? or i can do apt-get install madwifi-tools |
| 09:33.41 | j_pinx | Pavlz, did you read what dpkg told you? |
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| 09:34.29 | Pavlz | at the moment i got again the ubuntu and i want to migrate to debian, so i am asking |
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| 09:34.44 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: i do not believe so. if they did, they did not tell me about it. |
| 09:34.58 | Pavlz | because to be more fast i always did apt-get install |
| 09:35.02 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: but a test email sent to myself successfully created a mail file |
| 09:35.13 | rhodescus | ProTip1: Cool |
| 09:35.27 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: so i will troubleshoot further with the other user, thanks for the help |
| 09:35.36 | rhodescus | ProTip1: You are welcome. |
| 09:35.39 | j_pinx | !tell Pavlz about madwifi-install |
| 09:36.08 | j_pinx | Pavlz, aptitude is better than apt-get |
| 09:36.15 | Pavlz | it is happen that in conferences i needed to install any package and i did only with apt-get install |
| 09:36.27 | Pavlz | i am habituated |
| 09:37.04 | j_pinx | Pavlz, aptitude install <package> |
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| 09:37.34 | Pavlz | i never used aptitude |
| 09:37.56 | Pavlz | a day i ll try it |
| 09:38.07 | j_pinx | !tell Pavlz about aptitude |
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| 09:39.17 | MARIUS453 | Application that must be used for executable files in debian linux |
| 09:39.33 | MARIUS453 | pls |
| 09:39.41 | Pavlz | now i need few info, for madwifi but i don't know nothing about netinst |
| 09:40.36 | Pavlz | now i am downloading netist |
| 09:41.07 | j_pinx | !tell Pavlz about network-manager |
| 09:41.26 | cryptw | hmm |
| 09:41.30 | Pavlz | can i boot the debian netinst from hard drive and install ? |
| 09:41.33 | cryptw | !tell cryptw about my mum |
| 09:41.45 | cryptw | !tell cryptw about aptitude |
| 09:42.37 | j_pinx | Pavlz, you boot the installer image from CD or USB and install |
| 09:43.11 | j_pinx | !tell Pavlz about install |
| 09:43.17 | Pavlz | but i can't boot from hard drive ? |
| 09:43.45 | liable | there is a hd-media image, yes |
| 09:43.52 | j_pinx | Pavlz, there are lots of ways to install, but some are easier than others |
| 09:44.22 | j_pinx | liable, is that the same as the usb .img? |
| 09:44.47 | Pavlz | in any situations i needed to boot from ethernet, but i do not know if is possible |
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| 09:45.53 | j_pinx | Pavlz, yes it is possible |
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| 09:46.52 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: are you around? |
| 09:47.05 | rhodescus | ProTip1: yes |
| 09:47.29 | ProTip1 | i decided to sudo as my friend's user and send myself an email, i have found the error. |
| 09:47.54 | rhodescus | ProTip1: cool, do you need help with it? |
| 09:48.01 | Pavlz | You can also boot the installation system over the network. |
| 09:48.01 | Pavlz | Diskless installation, using network booting from a local area network and NFS-mounting of all local filesystems, is another option. |
| 09:48.04 | ProTip1 | yes, because i have no idea what it means, rhodescus |
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| 09:48.13 | ProTip1 | the error is '/home/mischief/sent: Permission denied (errno = 13)' |
| 09:48.22 | Pavlz | but i must to use dhcp ? |
| 09:48.39 | rhodescus | ProTip1: is mischief the username of your friend? |
| 09:48.47 | Pavlz | or to assign a static pi of debian ? |
| 09:48.50 | MARIUS453 | Application that must be used for executable files in debian linux |
| 09:48.50 | liable | j_pinx: not quite. its just a kernel and initrd you can boot. |
| 09:48.54 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: mischief is me. |
| 09:49.37 | rhodescus | ProTip1: yes, that is strange, are you sure you successfully performed sudo? |
| 09:50.01 | rhodescus | ProTip1: ah, I understand |
| 09:50.03 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: i used 'sudo sudo -u v3nom mutt', v3nom being my friend. :/ |
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| 09:50.18 | rhodescus | ProTip1: you must 'su - <username>' and send the mail as your friend. |
| 09:50.24 | valdyn | MARIUS453: what is your question? |
| 09:50.26 | rhodescus | ProTip1: you cannot use sudo for that. |
| 09:50.38 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: i see, i will try su - |
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| 09:50.40 | rhodescus | ProTip1: you must invoke a login shell |
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| 09:51.33 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: can i use 'sudo su - <username>'? because i do not know his password. |
| 09:51.46 | ProTip1 | or will that still require a password :/ |
| 09:52.05 | rhodescus | ProTip1: you can try that |
| 09:52.15 | rhodescus | ProTip1: but if it doesn't work, you'll need the password |
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| 09:53.18 | rhodescus | ProTip1: I'm sorry, 'sudo su <username> -' |
| 09:53.28 | rhodescus | ProTip1: or, 'su <username> -' |
| 09:53.47 | valdyn | MARIUS453: dont /msg me |
| 09:53.49 | rhodescus | ProTip1: if that didn't work. I never use it that way. |
| 09:54.04 | valdyn | !msg |
| 09:54.05 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 09:54.07 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: 'sudo su - <username>' worked, i was able to successfully send mail as his user |
| 09:54.15 | valdyn | !wine |
| 09:54.15 | dpkg | i heard wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/, #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A not so buggy anymore alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 09:54.20 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: it would seem my friend has had an error with the KCI interface. |
| 09:54.29 | rhodescus | ProTip1: KCI? |
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| 09:55.05 | guille_ | hi there |
| 09:55.10 | ProTip1 | rhodescus: the Keyboard-User Interface. |
| 09:55.12 | ProTip1 | :) |
| 09:55.21 | rhodescus | ProTip1: PEBKAC |
| 09:55.27 | rhodescus | ProTip1: awesome. |
| 09:55.41 | ProTip1 | haha, thank you for all the help rhodescus. good day, everyone |
| 09:55.41 | SparFux | How can I open files writeable in debian unstable hexedit? |
| 09:55.51 | rhodescus | ProTip1: NP |
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| 09:56.21 | Pavlz | i would try to install netinst from hd |
| 09:57.06 | guille_ | i've download sources with apt-get and rolled my own binary of a package. then i would like to package it, where can i start? |
| 09:57.07 | SparFux | strange |
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| 10:01.19 | Pavlz | the computer asks to inser a cd or dvd to do a iso and then to boot |
| 10:01.30 | Pavlz | vrom cd or dvd |
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| 10:01.56 | Pavlz | i saved all you said me |
| 10:02.05 | liable | Pavlz: look at the installation guide for how to use the different ways to install |
| 10:02.06 | Pavlz | in my e-mail |
| 10:02.23 | Pavlz | i look it |
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| 10:02.45 | Pavlz | i can wait tomorrow to buy cd or dvd |
| 10:03.02 | Pavlz | and to install debian |
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| 10:03.58 | Pavlz | no, i can only buy the cd/dvd and then i must to wait till Tue |
| 10:04.12 | MARIUS453 | |
| 10:04.12 | MARIUS453 | I asked for the execution of a program exe file, which is |
| 10:04.21 | Pavlz | because the shop has not the hard rive from 2.5 inch |
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| 10:05.28 | Pavlz | so i must left the pc always poweron |
| 10:05.39 | Pavlz | or i can't use more |
| 10:05.51 | renton_ | hello, i'm trying to install openoffice3 this way on lenny: "apt-get install openoffice.org/experimental" but seems that apt doesn't understand it should get openoffice.org-core package from "experimental" too.. have you any idea? thanks |
| 10:06.02 | Pavlz | for these 3 days SUN-MON-TUE |
| 10:06.19 | renton_ | openoffice.org: Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:3.0.0-4) but 1:2.4.1-12 is to be installed |
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| 10:07.35 | MARIUS453 | to open an executable file requires an application, which is |
| 10:07.46 | MARIUS453 | for linux |
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| 10:08.37 | j_pinx | MARIUS453, you need to install wine probably |
| 10:08.57 | tom | hello. i am trying to install the python 2.4 security updates on a production server running debian etch, and i am getting the following errors: http://dpaste.com/93024/ what should i do? i do not want to break the python installation. |
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| 10:09.20 | MARIUS453 | how and where |
| 10:09.40 | jpinx | !tell MARIUS453 about wine |
| 10:10.07 | sladi | renton_: I installed it with aptitude just fine |
| 10:10.29 | sladi | renton_: do you use apt-pinning? |
| 10:10.29 | jpinx | what's the aptitude command equivalent to dpkg -i <local.deb> ? |
| 10:10.48 | renton_ | I did this in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 10:10.49 | renton_ | Package: openoffice.org |
| 10:10.49 | renton_ | Pin: release a=experimental |
| 10:10.49 | renton_ | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
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| 10:12.22 | renton_ | penoffice.org: Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:3.0.0-4) but 1:2.4.1-12 is to be installed. |
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| 10:12.29 | anddam | hello |
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| 10:12.57 | renton_ | and it seems it is not going to use sun-java6, but gcj :( |
| 10:13.17 | renton_ | (i already have sun-java6 installed from backports) |
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| 10:16.30 | mhymn_ | renton_: update-alternatives --config java ? |
| 10:17.21 | renton_ | update-alternatives --config java (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure. |
| 10:17.33 | renton_ | (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure. |
| 10:17.45 | renton_ | sorry.. i pasted the wrong thing |
| 10:17.46 | renton_ | There is only 1 program which provides java |
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| 10:18.26 | renton_ | probably openoffice.org experimental imposes gcj to be used |
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| 10:19.07 | renton_ | i think i'll go to download .deb from openoffice.. |
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| 10:19.39 | mhymn_ | renton_: update-java-alternatives ? |
| 10:20.30 | mhymn_ | !java alternatives |
| 10:20.30 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
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| 10:22.12 | anddam | I'm removing obsolete packages |
| 10:22.20 | anddam | do I need Cyrus SASL ? |
| 10:22.24 | renton_ | mhymn_: in my system i have just sun-java6 installed, anyway i executed too # update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 10:22.32 | anddam | I'm dropping libsasl7 |
| 10:22.40 | renton_ | but if I execute # aptitude install openoffice.org/experimental |
| 10:23.13 | renton_ | it say: The following NEW packages will be installed: ... gcj-4.2-base{a} gcj-4.3-base{a} ... |
| 10:24.26 | mhymn_ | renton_: even with aptitude --without-recommends ... ? |
| 10:24.33 | renton_ | and especilly the problem i have is this: openoffice.org: Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:3.0.0-4) but 1:2.4.1-12 is to be installed. |
| 10:26.22 | renton_ | mhymn_: good, with --without-reccomends, seems not to going to install gcj |
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| 10:27.44 | mhymn_ | btw those debs from openoffice works fine here in etch |
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| 10:28.26 | renton_ | ok.. i think it will be less dangerous to use them :) |
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| 10:29.29 | renton_ | thanksù |
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| 10:30.35 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone tell me how to get 'xmms' back in Debian Lenny? 'xmms2' is present, but I think it is some sort of server software, and no GUI seems to be available |
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| 10:31.03 | Lagbolt | Jemt, its called audacious now |
| 10:31.23 | Jemt | Ah, I see. Hard to guess :) |
| 10:31.28 | Jemt | Thanks, I'll try installing it :) |
| 10:31.35 | Lagbolt | lol yeah i was like wtf when iwas looking for it |
| 10:31.41 | Jemt | Hehe :) |
| 10:31.47 | Lagbolt | check this http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/from_xmms_to_audacious |
| 10:31.56 | Jemt | Oh, super - I will :) |
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| 10:32.19 | anddam | I hope aptitude would warn me before removing anything essential |
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| 10:32.46 | Jemt | anddam: It tells you what it will remove. I won't tell you that you are removing "essential" parts |
| 10:32.52 | Jemt | I = It |
| 10:33.02 | Zharf | wonders when people realise how crappy the winamp/xmms interface really is |
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| 10:33.17 | Lagbolt | Zharf, what do you use? |
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| 10:33.39 | Jemt | Zharf: Some people prefer a very simple interface. And I just loved WinAMP when I used Windows half a decade ago. |
| 10:33.40 | Zharf | Lagbolt, I use and develop xmms2 |
| 10:33.41 | anddam | Jemt: the thrill is half of the fun |
| 10:34.02 | Jemt | anddam, Something like that, yes ;) |
| 10:34.22 | Zharf | Jemt, there's other kinds of simple too, winamp interface isn't efficient at all really |
| 10:34.26 | Lagbolt | Zharf, ah. well i wil give it a shot then |
| 10:34.31 | anddam | Jemt: anyway they (the packages I removed) were in obsolete and had no dependents packages |
| 10:34.36 | anddam | dependent* |
| 10:34.56 | Zharf | Lagbolt, note that xmms2 doesn't have an interface by default, there's many kinds around |
| 10:35.29 | Jemt | Zharf: That depends - what do you want to accomplish with a given tool? It lets me display all my music in "one folder" (I don't like libraries). It also lets me search my music very efficient (I have less than 500 tracks). What's not to love about it ? |
| 10:35.57 | Jemt | anddam: Sounds fine then |
| 10:36.10 | Zharf | less than 500 tracks <.< |
| 10:36.10 | anddam | oh and I've got a linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 in obsolete, I think it's there as there's 2.6.26 in lenny |
| 10:36.12 | Lagbolt | Zharf, cool, i will figure it out. |
| 10:36.18 | Zharf | I have around 48k tracks |
| 10:36.19 | anddam | but I'm running 2.6.25 |
| 10:36.30 | anddam | would apt let me uninstall current running kernel? |
| 10:36.35 | Jemt | Zharf: xmms probably won't handle that amount too well :) |
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| 10:37.50 | Jemt | WOW! Xmms/Audacious have really improved. It looks.. great |
| 10:38.27 | buu | Hrm, question. I have a debian machine that, when I Rebooted, segfaulted on init (init [1] segfault\n error 14 0x000000..) near the beginning of the boot process (After the kernel was chosen by grub). I've booted the machine with a livecd and nothing seems obviously broken. Would it be possible to simply drop another kernel in and see if it boots off that? |
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| 10:40.36 | Zharf | Lagbolt, erm, that blog entry claims that xmms2 "died off" |
| 10:40.40 | Zharf | that's laughble |
| 10:40.41 | Zharf | +a |
| 10:40.57 | TiMiDo | lol |
| 10:41.02 | TiMiDo | xmms died. also xmms2? |
| 10:41.07 | Lagbolt | yeah? what about it |
| 10:41.08 | TiMiDo | that's funny |
| 10:41.17 | Zharf | TiMiDo, no, we're not dead |
| 10:41.29 | anddam | I'm liking the aptitude interface now that I've been playing a little with it |
| 10:41.29 | TiMiDo | well I'm still using xmms |
| 10:41.37 | TiMiDo | I actually created it a a deb package. so I'm all good. |
| 10:41.38 | anddam | is there a way to get a cartegory's used space? |
| 10:41.51 | TiMiDo | and i have the sources. on a cd. |
| 10:42.02 | anddam | I'd like to see disk usage for Installed->doc for example |
| 10:42.24 | kqr | i try to get direct rendering for my radeon card, but when i do a glxinfo | grep dir i _sometimes_ get this http://pastebin.com/m105b0562 .... at least i did yesterday, now don't get the errors no more, but neither do i get direct rendering :/ why's that? |
| 10:42.47 | anddam | and dbus is in devel section, is it needed just for developing or for regular use too? |
| 10:43.45 | Jemt | kqr, I'm no expert in this, but let me give it a try. Are you using Etch 4.0 (Debian Stable) ? |
| 10:44.15 | anddam | and why the hell does xinit relies on cpp? |
| 10:44.39 | kqr | Jemt: oh, forgot to tell, debian lenny |
| 10:44.42 | Jemt | kqr, also, pastebin your xorg.conf file |
| 10:44.52 | Jemt | kqr, Oh, DRI should work out of the box |
| 10:45.05 | Jemt | kqr, what GFX Card do you have ? |
| 10:45.35 | kqr | Jemt: http://pastebin.com/m499cc4a2 <- my xorg.conf |
| 10:45.45 | Jemt | The ATI/Radeon driver is crappy as hell. Unstable and dosn't provide much resolutions. |
| 10:45.46 | Jemt | Checking |
| 10:45.55 | Jemt | I hope it's improved for Lenny |
| 10:46.13 | Jemt | Yea, that looks fine |
| 10:46.16 | kqr | Jemt: the graphics card seems to be a radeon IGP 340M |
| 10:48.21 | renton_ | someone of you, uses sshfs? i tried it, and i make it to work.. it's cool to browse with nautilus on remote servers.. |
| 10:48.33 | Jemt | kqr, 'man radeon' will give you a list of supported chipsets |
| 10:48.36 | renton_ | but, do you think nfs can be better? |
| 10:49.05 | renton_ | with nfs i just did an export of a directory and a remote mount of it.. |
| 10:49.10 | Jemt | I don't think it's supported, kqr |
| 10:49.11 | kqr | Jemt: RS200 Radeon IGP330(M)/IGP340(M) |
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| 10:49.18 | Jemt | Ah, ok |
| 10:49.19 | kqr | Jemt: it seems to be supported |
| 10:49.25 | renton_ | but i have not watched anythink about nfs autentication |
| 10:49.39 | Jemt | Yes it does. I just couldn't find it :p |
| 10:49.41 | renton_ | i mean, that now, just having the right ip, grants rights to mount the nfs |
| 10:49.53 | kqr | Jemt: okey heh ^^ |
| 10:51.27 | Jemt | Hm, I'm not sure how to help you on this one. I know how to get it working on Etch for my own ATI card, and it works out of the box when using Lenny |
| 10:51.59 | Jemt | kqr, what does this give you?: lsmod | grep -i drm |
| 10:52.17 | kqr | drm 65256 3 radeon |
| 10:52.17 | kqr | agpgart 28776 2 drm,ati_agp |
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| 10:52.23 | Jemt | Hm, ok. That seems fine |
| 10:53.09 | renton_ | how can i discover if 3d acceleration is enabled on my box? i have radeon 9600 |
| 10:53.11 | Jemt | Try asking later. There are some really bright people in here that will probably be able to help you better than I |
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| 10:53.32 | kqr | heh |
| 10:53.46 | mquin | renton_: run glxgears - if it's really slow you don't have 3d acceleration |
| 10:54.08 | Jemt | kqr, I do struggle with the set up my self. I can't reach resolutions above 1024x768. But I will look into that later :) |
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| 10:54.30 | renton_ | mquin: in which package is it? |
| 10:54.33 | kqr | Jemt: resolutions is of no greater problem, i want fps in 3d ^^ |
| 10:54.39 | Jemt | slow dosn't mean that it's not working. It is more likely to lack if there is no DRI support |
| 10:54.52 | Jemt | kqr, Ah, hehe :) |
| 10:54.55 | mquin | renton_: mesa-utils |
| 10:54.59 | renton_ | thanks |
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| 10:55.37 | renton_ | 8743 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1748.564 FPS |
| 10:55.47 | kqr | i get like 200 fps there xD |
| 10:56.05 | renton_ | oh.. my graphics card is 5 years old |
| 10:56.11 | kqr | mine too :P |
| 10:56.15 | mquin | renton_: I'd say that works :) |
| 10:56.17 | renton_ | radeon 9600 |
| 10:56.20 | Jemt | Mine is even older :) |
| 10:56.24 | kqr | xD |
| 10:56.33 | Jemt | But I don't play games on my laptop :) |
| 10:56.40 | kqr | i wanna play games on my laptop xD |
| 10:56.52 | kqr | because it's the only computer i have right now ^^ |
| 10:57.02 | renton_ | eehh |
| 10:57.11 | renton_ | games make you lose time |
| 10:57.13 | renton_ | :) |
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| 10:57.50 | renton_ | yesterday i make my webcam working too |
| 10:58.11 | renton_ | i am quite happy to have definetly uninstalled from my pc windows at all |
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| 10:58.17 | kqr | ^^ |
| 10:58.36 | kqr | i'm still locked to windows when i need to transfer stuff to my ipod ^^ |
| 10:58.55 | renton_ | i hate those .docx and .xlsx |
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| 10:59.11 | renton_ | my colleagues always send me those :( |
| 10:59.14 | RichiH | kqr: try amarok |
| 10:59.54 | kqr | RichiH: i know there are several apps that can do the same thing, but then i have to use them and stick with them... like, in, first format my ipod.. because it seems they clash with itunes way of putting album art and such |
| 11:00.07 | renton_ | oh by the way.. do you know if evolution in "experimental" handles ms exchange 2007 ? |
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| 11:01.48 | renton_ | well.. time to eat lasagne.. see you |
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| 11:08.48 | DB42 | how do i change the terminal's (non-x) font to be smaller/better ? |
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| 11:11.08 | masus | hi all, how to get the console colored for example if i type "ls" the folder a different color the files different color. thanks |
| 11:11.23 | lou_gr | Hi. Should I try to force installation of gtk2-engines of lenny in etch? |
| 11:11.33 | DB42 | masus: alias ls="ls --color" |
| 11:11.34 | DB42 | ?\ |
| 11:11.45 | masus | DB42: thanks |
| 11:12.08 | masus | DB42: great :) |
| 11:12.34 | hoxu | masus, the colors should be in your ~/.bashrc, you just need to uncomment them |
| 11:13.07 | DB42 | anybody can help me out wiht terminal fonts ? |
| 11:13.10 | hoxu | (--color=auto is what's there, and should be usually used rather than --color) |
| 11:14.16 | hoxu | !tell DB42 about svgatextmode |
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| 11:17.23 | DB42 | hoxu: cool, thanks, altough the configuration file seems like a mess... |
| 11:18.23 | lou_gr | will gtk2 engines of lenny work in etch? |
| 11:18.25 | masus | hoxu: Thank u |
| 11:18.35 | DB42 | hoxu: no tutorial for this ? |
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| 11:19.36 | hoxu | DB42, no clue |
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| 11:20.19 | masus | hoxu: ":%s/Thank u/Thank You" :) |
| 11:20.29 | kqr | (II) RADEON(0): [dri] Found DRI library version 1.3.0 and kernel module version 1.29.0 | might this cause a problem with direct rendering not enabled? :S |
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| 11:21.25 | hoxu | masus, the english language thanks you :P |
| 11:21.57 | masus | :D ok sorry, Thanks you. |
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| 11:22.46 | masus | and is there something for the cat result for example "cat phpscript.php" or "cat perlscript.pl". |
| 11:22.57 | masus | so to get the result colored |
| 11:26.04 | buu | masus: Try 'vim' |
| 11:26.29 | DB42 | buu: i guess he want's a text dumper, not an text editor with color :) |
| 11:26.46 | buu | Yeah, but what he wants strikes me as unlikely. |
| 11:26.52 | hoxu | masus, "thank you" was correct english... anyway, you could use vim as a pager (google for how), other than that, there's plenty of syntax highlighters but I'm not sure of any pager-like ones |
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| 11:26.55 | buu | But hey, maybe not. |
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| 11:28.56 | hoxu | masus, "highlight" has --ansi at least, but I don't think it's very suitable as a pager as it can't guess the language based on input I think |
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| 11:29.19 | juice` | is there any way to set different queue time for specific error in postfix ? (on postfix channel, they are silent) |
| 11:30.54 | hoxu | masus, source-highlight can do that as well, but it also needs the input language to be specified, so it's not suitable for a generic pager |
| 11:31.52 | hoxu | masus, I think http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Using_vim_as_a_syntax-highlighting_pager is your best choice |
| 11:32.37 | masus | hoxu: Thank You :) |
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| 11:35.13 | RichiH | kqr: ttbomk, amarok is compatible with itunes |
| 11:35.22 | RichiH | kqr: ask in #amarok if you want to be sure |
| 11:35.57 | kqr | RichiH: okey, i suppose it might've been long since i last tried :P |
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| 11:42.49 | jack_ | normaly you build a deb package with : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot , but howto do it nicely with scons? |
| 11:44.33 | xand | when you run uname -m, where's the information obtained from? as it's wrong on one of my machines and causing problems when compiling stuff :| |
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| 11:47.00 | cahoot | xand: not from /proc/version? |
| 11:47.23 | xand | that doesn't have 686 in |
| 11:48.36 | xand | hmm |
| 11:48.48 | xand | maybe my cpu is 686, but just doesn't have cmov |
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| 11:49.57 | amphi | xand: uname -m is taken from the kernel |
| 11:50.12 | amphi | xand: what does /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 11:50.42 | xand | http://paste.debian.net/22083/ |
| 11:51.22 | xand | it's annoying, if the kernel thinks it's i686... cos if you choose that processor type when compiling a kernel it won't boot because the cpu doesn't support cmov (which is optional for 686s apparently) |
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| 12:00.46 | aleeexfranci | hallo, i would like to connect two diffrent hosts through a single vpn connection. i managed to connect a single host to a single vpn connection with string ifconfig [localip] [remote ip] But i can't with another host beacause i can't assign the same local ip. how can i do? |
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| 12:02.00 | aleeexfranci | *hello |
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| 12:08.05 | pflanze | aleeexfranci: have you read man ifconfig? |
| 12:09.35 | aleeexfranci | pflanze, how can i use ifconfig in this specific situation with vpn? |
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| 12:12.44 | pflanze | aleeexfranci: if the answer is not in the manpage, I can't help |
| 12:13.39 | pflanze | also, I'm not sure you mean "vpn" in the sense of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vpn |
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| 12:14.17 | pflanze | you should state that more precisely. |
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| 12:15.32 | DB42 | i think he means many2many vpn |
| 12:15.51 | DB42 | i.e. connecting one subnet to another via vpn |
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| 12:16.09 | aleeexfranci | i use openvpn... and i would like to connect hosts B and C to the same openvpn server through the same port, with the same secret key BUT with different ip |
| 12:16.27 | DB42 | aleeexfranci: you want to connect just 2 computers? |
| 12:17.02 | aleeexfranci | two computers connected to one server |
| 12:17.27 | DB42 | aleeexfranci: why not make 2 configurations in the openvpn server ? |
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| 12:18.14 | aleeexfranci | DB42, but have i to start the server on two differents ports? |
| 12:18.28 | DB42 | not sure... |
| 12:18.43 | aleeexfranci | how then? |
| 12:19.57 | DB42 | sorry, but fluent in openvpn... i don't recall what i did |
| 12:20.05 | DB42 | try maybe asking in #openvpn |
| 12:20.13 | aleeexfranci | ok thanks |
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| 12:24.40 | SparFux | Weit a minute, aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-ati shows version 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 though I think I am using debian unstable! |
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| 12:25.32 | SparFux | How come? |
| 12:25.37 | fr00g | hi. i try to update initramfs. i have unpacked and modified the one, that i have been using till now. how can i apply the modifications? |
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| 12:27.12 | mactimes | Hi there experts. I've taken a look at man pages and googled a bit, but couldn't find a specific answer for that. Could someone, please, tell me if I can assign the same hostname to multiple IP addresses in /etc/hosts and if that would be a problem? Ex.: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost \ 10.0.0.5 srv1.mydomain.local srv1 \ 10.0.0.6 srv1.mydomain.local srv1 |
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| 12:28.01 | SparFux | Ok, I think that's ok. it's the one shipped with sid. |
| 12:28.06 | soulchild | HI all,... I have Problems with audio. somehow I have no "PCM Capture" in Gnome sound Settings, even kmix does not show that option, if I check /proc/asound/timers it says: P0-0-1: PCM capture 0-0-1 : SLAVE |
| 12:28.10 | soulchild | what to do ? |
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| 12:31.05 | phyburn | I"m trying to send my server mail and I get the following error: Relay access denied (state 14). any admins out there know what this might be from? =0 |
| 12:31.16 | phyburn | I think postfix config is messed up but not sure what part might fix it |
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| 12:34.32 | DB42 | maybe setuid ? |
| 12:34.41 | mactimes | soulchild: Take it easy, pal. People have their own problems and routines. Most people here pool once in a while to check, but this is instant messaging system. Wait a bit, be patient. |
| 12:35.24 | mactimes | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.36 | ringo999 | hi. i did an aptitude upgrade with lenny, "something" went wrong, now when booting with lilo it hangs up (the lilo dots). How to resolve this? |
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| 12:35.52 | soulchild | mactimes: sed user, hum ? |
| 12:36.12 | soulchild | ringo999: user grub ;) |
| 12:36.15 | soulchild | -r |
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| 12:37.20 | ringo999 | soulchild: mmm... i see the lilo boot menu ... i can boot the old kernel 2.6.18, but how do i fix the new one? |
| 12:37.22 | soulchild | ringo999: boot from a live cd, chroot to your local linux and reinstall lilo, or try using grub, what I would prefer |
| 12:38.15 | soulchild | ringo999: hmm,... I am not that experienced with lilo,... maybe boot into old kernel an reinstall the new kernel |
| 12:38.50 | ringo999 | soulchild: but cant i just boot the old kernel and somehow fix it from there? |
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| 12:39.02 | ringo999 | soulchild: i dont have a live cd |
| 12:39.09 | woden1 | does debian lenny support armel, mips, and mipsel? |
| 12:39.42 | ringo999 | i mean is this a lilo problem or the kernel? |
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| 12:40.37 | mhymn_ | woden1: i think so, debian.org would be a good place to find out |
| 12:40.40 | mih | is it easy starting xorg without xorg at boot? by using /etc/skeleton ? |
| 12:41.01 | mih | i tried su myuser -c startx but didnt work |
| 12:41.54 | mih | i can do startx manually as the user by logging in after init 2 |
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| 12:42.02 | mih | but apparently not in this initscript. |
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| 12:42.26 | mih | do i need to set up some environment or something else to make it work? |
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| 12:43.43 | rdz | how can i check, if a usb device is using usb 2.0 |
| 12:43.44 | rdz | ? |
| 12:43.49 | ringo999 | so i booted into the old kernel, couldn't I just do another aptitude upgrade from there? |
| 12:44.45 | mih | rdz: i think its ehci_hcd or something like that which is the fullspeed hub |
| 12:44.50 | mih | uhci is slow-usb |
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| 12:47.39 | rdz | mih, how can i check which hub is used? |
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| 12:48.14 | mih | lsmod ? |
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| 12:53.45 | ringo999 | "something" went wrong during my last kernel upgrade. I can still boot into the old kernel, would it make sense to make another apitude upgrade from there? Im using lenny on a macbook |
| 12:54.21 | ringo999 | really would appreciate some support on this... |
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| 12:55.15 | Lagbolt | ringo999, the only thing you changed was kern? |
| 12:55.45 | Lagbolt | what happens when you boot new kernel? what version is the new kern? |
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| 12:56.04 | raz0 | Is there any way, from within shell script, to detect if you're running in an X enviroment? e.g. whether the script was run in xterm, konsole and so on if it was run in a real console, through ssh etc.? |
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| 12:57.03 | raz0 | I need this so I can alias 'vim' in my shell to start gvim if I'm in X and regular vim, if not. :) |
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| 12:59.35 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: i issued a aptitude upgrade. I think it did some changes to lilo. i was running 2.6.26 before without problems. now i see lilo trying to load the kernel (the dots) and then it just hangs :-( |
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| 13:00.26 | Lagbolt | ringo999, you are on that machine with old kernel now? |
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| 13:01.36 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: yes |
| 13:01.47 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: and old means 2.6.18 |
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| 13:02.06 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: so i actually think that aptitude upgrade didnt change anything on the kernel |
| 13:02.07 | Lagbolt | ringo999, so you upgraded to lenny? |
| 13:02.38 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: i already had lenny running with 2.6.26 when i did "aptitude upgrade" |
| 13:03.13 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: i know that this changed something on Lilo |
| 13:03.18 | Lagbolt | ringo999, notice anything unusual if you do "dpkg -l | grep linux-" |
| 13:03.41 | Lagbolt | i dont use lilo so i cant help with that. but you might see if kern is configured properly. |
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| 13:05.54 | mhymn_ | or try (with your old kernel) removing lilo and installing grub |
| 13:06.51 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: i dont think there is anything unusual but I see two 2.6.26 linux-images: 2.6.26+16 and 2.6.26-10 |
| 13:07.04 | Lagbolt | they both are preceded with "ii" |
| 13:07.05 | Lagbolt | ? |
| 13:07.05 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: dont know what that means |
| 13:07.22 | Lagbolt | when you do dpkg -l | grep linux- |
| 13:07.28 | ringo999 | yes |
| 13:07.35 | ringo999 | several lines with ii |
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| 13:07.47 | Lagbolt | what about your lilo? checked lilo.conf for changes |
| 13:07.48 | Lagbolt | ? |
| 13:07.52 | Lagbolt | stupid enter key! |
| 13:08.10 | ringo999 | i.e. ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+16 |
| 13:08.55 | jchillerup | Hey. Is there a sensible way of going from an un-RAIDed harddrive to a RAID1. I mean, the partitions need to get different types and all that, right? |
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| 13:09.17 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: hmm... i dont see anything strange |
| 13:09.31 | melnik | hello , do you know some psedo-grafic utility to burn images , but not command line ? |
| 13:09.31 | Lagbolt | and no errors? just wont load kern image? |
| 13:09.44 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: what would happen if i would issue another aptitude upgrade now from the 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 13:09.58 | Lagbolt | ringo999, it will upgrade packages |
| 13:10.08 | Lagbolt | now you are using lenny you should do "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 13:10.18 | ringo999 | hmmm |
| 13:10.23 | ringo999 | i feel stuck |
| 13:10.26 | ringo999 | :( |
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| 13:10.53 | ringo999 | i dont know what to do |
| 13:11.00 | Lagbolt | what does it do? you could remove that new kernel and reinstall it. that might help |
| 13:11.07 | Lagbolt | but i need more info on the failure |
| 13:11.23 | ringo999 | i remember there was a lino configuration screen when i upgraded it talked about bios memory size |
| 13:12.14 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: the errors is: lilo comes up and i see the dots (i guess that is loading the kernel) and then it hangs |
| 13:12.40 | Lagbolt | ringo999, look in /boot for images and initrd files for this new kern? |
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| 13:14.23 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: yeah what about the files, there are .bak backup files? |
| 13:14.48 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686.bak |
| 13:14.55 | Lagbolt | well i dont know. if the problem is lilo i cant help. the .bak files are ine. |
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| 13:14.58 | Lagbolt | maybe install grub :) |
| 13:15.42 | Lagbolt | but if it is not trying to load the kern . . .no idea. maybe reconfigure lilo |
| 13:15.43 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: i have a macbook, and it was recommended to use lilo with it... |
| 13:15.49 | Lagbolt | oh |
| 13:15.55 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: im dual booting debian and macosx |
| 13:16.30 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: mmm :-( |
| 13:16.35 | Lagbolt | right, well not sure. if the liloconf is simliar for the 18 and the 26 kern . . . did you install the right kern arch? |
| 13:17.15 | Lagbolt | what kernel do you use with a mac book? |
| 13:17.33 | woden1 | what is the architecture name of the Mac/PPC CPU? |
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| 13:17.50 | JPT | afaik, it should be ppc |
| 13:17.53 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: its intel process so just the regular |
| 13:17.58 | ringo999 | processor |
| 13:18.16 | Lagbolt | so th e 2.6.18 kern is -686? |
| 13:18.20 | ringo999 | yes |
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| 13:18.34 | ringo999 | I think i want to try to reinstall the kernel |
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| 13:18.49 | ringo999 | how do i remove the 2.6.26 one? |
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| 13:19.49 | Lagbolt | ringo999, aptitude purge linux-image-2..6.26 etc etc |
| 13:20.27 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: etc |
| 13:20.29 | ringo999 | ? |
| 13:20.32 | phyburn | whats the name of the defualt mail command? package? |
| 13:20.43 | phyburn | something happend to it and I need to install it again |
| 13:20.47 | Lagbolt | etc etc is the rest of the name of the package |
| 13:21.01 | ringo999 | ok |
| 13:21.49 | f00li5h | what's up with the etch-and-a-half thing? why is it not it's own dist? |
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| 13:22.02 | petemc | phyburn: you mean /usr/bin/mail ? |
| 13:22.07 | phyburn | yeah |
| 13:22.11 | petemc | mailx |
| 13:22.13 | phyburn | thanks |
| 13:22.17 | Lagbolt | f00li5h, it was just for people needing newer kern for hardware and a later version of X if i understand correctly |
| 13:22.18 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: and to reinstall? |
| 13:22.23 | Lagbolt | ringo999, yes |
| 13:22.37 | petemc | f00li5h: it wouldnt constitute a new release, its an updated kernel a some xserver stuff |
| 13:22.49 | Lagbolt | ringo999, dont know if that will help. if it was installed already. but cross your fingers. |
| 13:22.58 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: and now to reinstall, anything special, or just aptitude install ... |
| 13:23.02 | Lagbolt | !tell f00li5h about etchandahalf |
| 13:23.04 | f00li5h | sound slike a hot-fix or something equally microsofty |
| 13:23.12 | petemc | no it doesnt |
| 13:23.13 | Lagbolt | ringo999, yes, aptitude install |
| 13:23.16 | ringo999 | ok |
| 13:23.39 | f00li5h | sounds fair |
| 13:23.50 | f00li5h | I just thought I might be missing out on something ;) |
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| 13:28.06 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: dont think it helped still dont boot, i think its a problem with lilo |
| 13:28.19 | ringo999 | how do i configure lilo? |
| 13:28.31 | Lagbolt | ringo999, i havent used lilo in 5 years at least lol |
| 13:28.35 | ringo999 | mmm |
| 13:29.00 | ringo999 | as i said, i remember it asking me about some bios ram size setting and i upgraded... :-( |
| 13:29.00 | Lagbolt | ringo999, how about you pastebin your lilo.conf |
| 13:29.16 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: will do |
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| 13:29.54 | Lagbolt | ringo999, wait i think i have an idea |
| 13:29.56 | Lagbolt | did you google this? |
| 13:30.03 | Lagbolt | lots of people having trouble with lilo and 26 |
| 13:31.36 | ringo999 | i think its the large-memory setting |
| 13:32.07 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 13:32.11 | Lagbolt | have yo enabled that? |
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| 13:32.43 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.com/d6cc7b57c |
| 13:32.46 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: yeah |
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| 13:33.05 | cumulus007 | Hi, I'm having a problem with ISOLINUX |
| 13:33.10 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: i guess I just comment it out? |
| 13:33.36 | cumulus007 | I installed Ubuntu on a USB drive and I want to boot from it, but it gives me an ISOLINUX prompt, saying this: |
| 13:33.47 | Lagbolt | ringo999, you have nothing pointed at 2.6.26 so you are assuming all your symlinks are there? |
| 13:33.51 | cumulus007 | SYSLINUX 3.63 Debian-2008-07-15 |
| 13:33.53 | cumulus007 | boot: |
| 13:33.55 | Lagbolt | is there a /initrd.img ? |
| 13:34.03 | cumulus007 | when I press enter, I got this error message: |
| 13:34.11 | cumulus007 | Could not find kernel image: linux |
| 13:34.28 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: yes |
| 13:34.41 | mhymn_ | cumulus007: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:34.45 | Lagbolt | ringo999, and all the symlinks point to the proper places? |
| 13:34.47 | cumulus007 | Strange thing is that the usb installation works fine on my PC, but not on another PC |
| 13:34.58 | cumulus007 | mhymn_: that ISOLINUX loader is Debian stuff |
| 13:35.23 | mhymn_ | cumulus007: what about this --> I installed Ubuntu on a USB drive... |
| 13:35.34 | cumulus007 | I googled on the error message and several postst say this error can occur on all Debian-based systems |
| 13:35.41 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: i still think its the large-memory setting |
| 13:35.53 | Lagbolt | you have it set tho. |
| 13:36.23 | ringo999 | yea ill try without it |
| 13:36.53 | ringo999 | crosses fingers |
| 13:37.18 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: nope didnt help :-( |
| 13:37.24 | Lagbolt | ringo999, double check your symlinks in / and what you have in /boot |
| 13:38.31 | ringo999 | so its nothing wrong with lilo or? i mean the old kernel boots fine... |
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| 13:38.59 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: I feel so lost... |
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| 13:39.12 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep linux-" as well as ls -l /boot/ |
| 13:39.33 | Lagbolt | i dont think you need that large-memory unless you are using 64bit OS with 4gb of ram |
| 13:41.57 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.com/da7812c7 |
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| 13:42.44 | Lagbolt | ringo999, and what does /initrd.img point to? |
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| 13:43.15 | Lagbolt | maybe edit your lilo.conf to point at the actual kernel image and initrd instead of the symlinks |
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| 13:43.34 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 13:44.22 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: why would that make a difference, its the same for the old kernel and works |
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| 13:45.32 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: doesnt it all look "good"? |
| 13:45.34 | dutchfish | hi, on my desktop i have configured a bridge with 2 vm's on kvm, i can reach all vm form the host but they cant reach eachother, how do i setup this? |
| 13:45.52 | Lagbolt | ringo999, it does |
| 13:46.04 | ringo999 | :-( |
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| 13:47.35 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: any other idea and what to do? |
| 13:47.49 | ringo999 | do I have to reinstall everything? |
| 13:48.04 | anddam | hello |
| 13:48.48 | Lagbolt | ringo999, i have no idea. i dont think reinstalling will help. |
| 13:49.02 | ringo999 | :-( |
| 13:49.07 | Lagbolt | does grub not work at all with the macbook? |
| 13:49.13 | Lagbolt | or is it just not preferred? |
| 13:49.26 | ringo999 | not sure, i could just install it |
| 13:49.31 | ringo999 | and see what happens ;-) |
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| 13:49.42 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: why wouldnt it work? |
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| 13:49.54 | ringo999 | do i do this through aptitude? |
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| 13:49.58 | ringo999 | what about lilo? |
| 13:49.59 | Lagbolt | ringo999, i dont know, you said lilo was preferred for macs or something |
| 13:50.23 | Lagbolt | ringo999, i would suggest having a live CD handy if you run into trouble |
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| 13:51.08 | Akuw | i can't run applet in Iceweasel. I install jre and make thee simbolyc link "ln -s /usr/java/jre1.6.0_10/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so" |
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| 13:52.35 | jogla | Akuw: Does iceweasel recognize the plugin? |
| 13:52.47 | Akuw | how can i test that? |
| 13:52.55 | jogla | type about:plugins in the address bar |
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| 13:54.29 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook <-- the instructions talk about lilo, but it says grub2 would also work. there is a warning not to install lilo to the MBR |
| 13:54.38 | Akuw | ok, appear in the list |
| 13:54.44 | Akuw | and with Yes |
| 13:54.44 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: if i want grub now, how do i proceed? |
| 13:54.52 | Lagbolt | ringo999, hold on |
| 13:56.04 | Akuw | then? |
| 13:56.11 | Akuw | why i can't see applets? |
| 13:56.48 | jogla | Should work ;) |
| 13:56.54 | jogla | Try some other java sites |
| 13:57.34 | Lagbolt | looks like switching to grub might be a pain according to that site. i have been up ALL night so i am not 100% functioning |
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| 13:58.21 | jogla | Lagbolt: you are not 100% functioning? |
| 13:58.38 | Lagbolt | jogla, i am tired. i dont want to tell anyone to do anything risky while i am exhausted |
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| 13:59.06 | jogla | ahh, ok :) |
| 13:59.16 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: no worries, i just want to give it a try, if it fails I'll reinstall everything. how do i proceed? |
| 13:59.36 | Lagbolt | when you installed in the first place did you follow this guide? |
| 13:59.46 | ringo999 | yes |
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| 14:00.25 | Lagbolt | ringo999, just follow the instructions step by step at the section Switching to Grub |
| 14:00.42 | ringo999 | ups i didnt see that ... hangover |
| 14:00.44 | Lagbolt | assuming your system is partitioned similar |
| 14:00.57 | Lagbolt | you need to make sure you dont mess up your osX part |
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| 14:01.59 | vipersniper | how do i stop this from logging in the /var/log/auth.log "CRON[5269]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root" |
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| 14:03.00 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: looks complicated |
| 14:03.01 | ringo999 | :-( |
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| 14:03.28 | Lagbolt | does it? lol |
| 14:03.39 | ringo999 | with a hangover ;-) |
| 14:03.55 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 14:03.57 | ringo999 | but i will try |
| 14:04.14 | nkuttler | vipersniper: why would you want to do that? |
| 14:04.29 | Akuw | then |
| 14:04.34 | Akuw | i can't use applets |
| 14:04.41 | vipersniper | nkuttler, why not |
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| 14:05.07 | nkuttler | vipersniper: logs are there for a reason |
| 14:05.56 | vipersniper | nkuttler, i need to learn how to do things |
| 14:06.52 | nkuttler | vipersniper: well, do something else, like configuring a network and network services maybe |
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| 14:07.15 | hjb | vipersniper do you only want that one message to stop logging, or messages from cron in general? |
| 14:07.36 | vipersniper | the pam messages |
| 14:07.42 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: how do i figure out what the install_device parameter for grub-install? |
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| 14:08.07 | ringo999 | Lagbolt: would that be /dev/sda3 for me? |
| 14:08.19 | vipersniper | thats show up in the auth.log |
| 14:08.29 | DASPRiD | hi "ps auxf | grep 19854" gives me the following output: www-data 19854 0.0 0.0 860 188 ? S Nov22 0:00 ./ssh 270 <-- how to find out the full path to that ssh binary? |
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| 14:09.25 | Lagbolt | ringo999, um i dont know |
| 14:09.27 | vipersniper | hjb, that one message |
| 14:09.54 | Lagbolt | ringo999, oh wait |
| 14:10.01 | Lagbolt | you mean for grub? |
| 14:10.30 | Jemt | Greetz. I can see that Lenny comes with an application called "Add/Remove Applications". Is this tool using Aptitude or Apt-Get as backend? I was quite unhappy to learn that Synaptic was using apt-get, so I hope "Add/Remove Applications" is using Aptitude |
| 14:10.33 | Lagbolt | ringo999, are you talking about the (hd0) |
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| 14:11.08 | Lagbolt | brb |
| 14:11.42 | petemc | DASPRiD: ls -la /proc/19854/fd/ |
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| 14:12.21 | petemc | DASPRiD: if your machine is compromised you cant really trust anything tho |
| 14:13.10 | kqr | Jemt: btw, i partly solved it |
| 14:13.22 | Jemt | kqr, Oh, how did you do that ? |
| 14:13.23 | vipersniper | hjb, hows do i disable that one message |
| 14:13.25 | hjb | vipersniper interesting question. pam documentation itself doesn't contain any information |
| 14:13.34 | kqr | Jemt: i removed fglrx*, reinstalled some mesa-libs... then i got direct rendering |
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| 14:13.48 | kqr | Jemt: and glxgears performance is improved, but not games :S |
| 14:13.54 | Jemt | kqr, okay. Not the obvious solution :) |
| 14:13.59 | Jemt | Weird |
| 14:14.00 | kqr | heh, maybe, maybenot |
| 14:14.22 | vipersniper | hjb, yeah its annoying, just keeps fill up the logs :) |
| 14:14.33 | kqr | it probably tried to use some fglrx-things in corelation with radeon, and there it clashed... i think it might've been something like that :P |
| 14:14.39 | anddam | can I strip out locales in /usr/share/locale ? |
| 14:15.02 | nkuttler | vipersniper: man grep |
| 14:15.07 | vipersniper | nerver did that with syslog just rsyslog on debian etch and lenny |
| 14:16.05 | hjb | vipersniper you could probably disable logging auth facility at all, but then nothing would make it into auth.log |
| 14:16.29 | hjb | vipersniper else you can read the source of pam and see if there's any way to disable logging |
| 14:16.47 | hjb | third, you could built your own pam with logging disabled :-) |
| 14:17.02 | vipersniper | nkuttler, ls -l |grep cron |
| 14:17.37 | hjb | vipersniper after all, if it's not documented, it seems that there's a good reason for these log messages ;) think acout it |
| 14:17.45 | vipersniper | hjb, :) i wish i could do that |
| 14:18.02 | ringo999 | how do i mount a usb stick? normally under xfce this happens automatically... |
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| 14:19.03 | raz0 | ringo999, with the mount command? :) |
| 14:19.10 | raz0 | just use filesystem vfat |
| 14:19.28 | Akuw | i need a unrar application |
| 14:19.34 | ringo999 | how do i see which device it is? |
| 14:19.46 | DASPRiD | petemc, hm when i kill the process, it automatically spawns new :x |
| 14:20.00 | nkuttler | ringo999: cat /proc/partitions, dmesg |
| 14:20.10 | metalx1000 | I have a "Netgear wg511" and a "belkin F5D6020 v2" wireless card for a laptop |
| 14:20.17 | metalx1000 | I need to get one of them working |
| 14:20.17 | raz0 | Akuw, You're i luck. Debian has one. :p |
| 14:20.32 | Akuw | unrar-free |
| 14:20.33 | metalx1000 | I've read on many sites that they should work in Linux |
| 14:20.41 | vipersniper | hjb, if $programname == "crond" and $msg contains "session closed for user root" then ~ <---think i wil ad that to rsyslog |
| 14:20.49 | metalx1000 | but I can't get them work right |
| 14:20.57 | metalx1000 | I get nothing from the netgear card |
| 14:21.13 | metalx1000 | and the belkin worked in ubuntu yesterday |
| 14:21.23 | metalx1000 | but no luck in Debian |
| 14:21.41 | metalx1000 | I can see the belkin card with iwconfig |
| 14:21.44 | petemc | DASPRiD: convention says you should shut down compromised machines, restore from known good backups etc |
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| 14:22.11 | metalx1000 | but it doesn't show up in ifconfig or gnome network manager |
| 14:22.26 | metalx1000 | and I can't scan with iwlist |
| 14:22.34 | DASPRiD | petemc, tho the backup could have the same holes again |
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| 14:23.14 | metalx1000 | has anyone worked with ether the belkin F5D6020 or the Netgear wg511 v2? |
| 14:23.27 | petemc | DASPRiD: then it isnt known to be good |
| 14:23.29 | simeon | I have "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+" what linux-image-2.6-* should I install. I dont care about 64 bit. |
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| 14:25.16 | anddam | ok I think I've stripped too much |
| 14:25.22 | anddam | -bash: man: command not found |
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| 14:28.45 | flower | I tried to build ardour with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, but it goes wrong, could that be because of the fact that they use scons? |
| 14:28.48 | simeon | please tell me what kernel-image I need |
| 14:28.51 | Akuw | using unrar-free in everyfile trying to extract i got Failed |
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| 14:29.14 | Akuw | i am using unrar-free -x file.rar |
| 14:29.34 | anddam | simeon: I think none nowadays |
| 14:30.04 | vipersniper | hjb, that worked :) |
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| 14:30.48 | simeon | anddam: you mean I accidently said kernel isntead of linux-image? Still I dont know which is the right -484 -686 -k7 |
| 14:31.04 | anddam | simeon: what processor are you on? |
| 14:33.10 | anddam | a slow one I'd say |
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| 14:33.21 | anddam | simeon: still there? |
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| 14:35.47 | simeon | I have "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ |
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| 14:40.52 | anddam | you should go with k7, I think |
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| 14:42.49 | Lagbolt | the k7 is going away. . . in lenny it is a virtual package pointing to -686 |
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| 14:43.05 | Lagbolt | !tell simeon about k7 |
| 14:43.06 | simeon | So I take -686? |
| 14:43.15 | adb | Y |
| 14:43.31 | Lagbolt | Y what? why the k7? |
| 14:43.41 | simeon | ok, thank you |
| 14:43.43 | adb | -686 |
| 14:43.45 | Lagbolt | !tell adb about k7 dropped |
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| 14:44.22 | joshux | how do I compile the kernel from another pc |
| 14:44.32 | joshux | same architecture |
| 14:44.51 | adb | what's different ? |
| 14:44.51 | Lagbolt | josh_, you can use kernel package |
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| 14:45.10 | joshux | nothing to worry about? |
| 14:45.14 | Lagbolt | josh_, sorry not you i mean joshux |
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| 14:45.28 | Lagbolt | joshux, yeah it makes packages that you can install. |
| 14:45.33 | Lagbolt | !tell joshux about kp |
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| 14:46.15 | joshux | thanks |
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| 14:48.50 | ``y7 | guys, i have a dynamic ip address and i'm using debian as my router. everytime my ip address changes, i have to go into network settings, deactivate eth0 and then reactivate it to get it to refresh the ip address, or i have to reboot. is there an easier way to do this and more importantly, is there a way to make the machine do this automatically so i don't have to? |
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| 14:50.29 | petemc | ``y7: the debian box gets an ip from your isp?\ |
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| 14:52.47 | ``y7 | petemc, correct |
| 14:52.59 | ``y7 | isp = verizion fios |
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| 14:53.19 | sinisterporpoise | is there a native driver for the Atheros chip or is it madwifi? |
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| 14:54.22 | petemc | ``y7: the normal behaviour is for the client to ask for another ip as the lease expires |
| 14:54.31 | petemc | without needing any manual intervention |
| 14:55.23 | ``y7 | so is mine acting abnormally or is it setup wrong? |
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| 14:55.53 | petemc | ``y7: did you so any other setting up than configuring the interface for dhcp? |
| 14:56.03 | petemc | if so, theres nor much scope for error |
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| 14:56.12 | petemc | s/or/ot/ |
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| 14:56.27 | sinisterporpoise | okay no one's much help win the #madwifi channel... drat |
| 14:56.41 | ``y7 | i set it up via gui in desktop>administration>networking, so i don't think so, but i'm not sure |
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| 14:57.02 | sinisterporpoise | anyone have time to figure out why it might have stopped working? |
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| 15:04.02 | Teeed | hi |
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| 15:04.26 | Teeed | does anybody know, how to make working pam_chroot on lenny? |
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| 15:04.38 | Teeed | i tried a lot of times... i have googled a lot |
| 15:04.44 | Teeed | and it does not work... |
| 15:04.46 | d-b | !chroot |
| 15:04.46 | dpkg | from memory, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 15:05.31 | d-b | it is not alone for security. it is possible to break out of a chroot. |
| 15:05.45 | Teeed | d-b: yes, with root ;P |
| 15:05.50 | d-b | if the users are remote you might want to consider using ssh chroot |
| 15:06.11 | Teeed | but he will not have rorot account ;P |
| 15:06.38 | Teeed | of course, he can use local exploit |
| 15:08.20 | Teeed | when i connect to it |
| 15:08.27 | Teeed | i've got a message PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
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| 15:10.29 | dapper-daniel | I have a problem with usbip. I get this error: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/541 |
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| 15:10.58 | dapper-daniel | I'm running debian etch with a 2.6.18 xen kernel |
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| 15:11.18 | dapper-daniel | don't know what do to do.... |
| 15:11.32 | kqr | i have an radeon IGP 340M graphics chip, i use the 'radeon' drivers, and i have direct rendering enabled... and even the simplest game runs at 5fps. glxgears runs at ~300 fps... what's went wrong? |
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| 15:12.53 | dacs | how can i list installed pkgs name |
| 15:13.53 | enouf | kqr: does ls -l /dev/agpgart exist? and show me output of lsmod | grep edac |
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| 15:13.55 | zxxd | hi |
| 15:14.00 | zxxd | java_vm for firefox hangs it |
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| 15:15.19 | kqr | enouf: /dev/agpgart exists, and is chmodded root:video 660... i'm in the video group |
| 15:15.48 | kqr | enouf: lsmod | grep edac is empty |
| 15:16.09 | dapper-daniel | glxgears should have much more fps |
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| 15:16.36 | enouf | kqr: oh, ok my bad - i was thinking of some other issue - but |
| 15:16.45 | dacs | is there is a way to list all the pkg i have instaleld |
| 15:16.59 | enouf | kqr: is that etch or lenny you are using? |
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| 15:17.08 | kqr | enouf: lenny |
| 15:17.23 | enouf | kqr: /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd - and maybe even see #radeon |
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| 15:17.59 | enouf | dacs: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
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| 15:18.12 | enouf | !tell dacs -about selectionas |
| 15:18.14 | enouf | !tell dacs -about selections |
| 15:18.32 | kqr | enouf: i'll give it a shot (: thx anyways (: |
| 15:19.27 | enouf | kqr: is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 15:19.57 | kqr | enouf: yep, i have direct rendering enabled |
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| 15:22.59 | Teeed | d-b: i'ver got PTY allocation failed every time... |
| 15:23.15 | Teeed | d-b: so, what can i do (it does no haveto be chroot) |
| 15:23.39 | Teeed | but i want to make one SSH user to have access only to his files |
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| 15:23.53 | enouf | scponlyc maybe even |
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| 15:28.25 | joshux | !kp-mantra |
| 15:28.26 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 15:33.44 | joshux | can i build the debian kernel from ubuntu? |
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| 15:34.13 | woden1 | How do I save a text file in ASCII format (not UTF-8 Unicode) ? |
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| 15:34.50 | onetinsoldier | joshux: why not just download the kernel source from kernel.org and use kernel-package to build it? |
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| 15:35.19 | ddd | hello |
| 15:35.25 | onetinsoldier | howdy |
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| 15:36.50 | Mallxs | pls help, making a script if i add #!/usr/bin/ksh and i exacute the script with ./thiscript it says ksh: ./thiscript: No such file or directory |
| 15:37.53 | Mallxs | if i remove the shbang it runs the then script but is have error due not ksh |
| 15:38.07 | onetinsoldier | Mallxs: is it executable? does it show as executable if you do an 'ls -l <name of script>'? |
| 15:38.33 | Mallxs | yep 777 |
| 15:38.41 | onetinsoldier | hmmm |
| 15:38.52 | ddd | I have /dev/mapper/one and .../two partitions. How to make a RAID mirror out of it? Preferrably mirror that reads both copies on each read for integrity |
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| 15:39.17 | Mallxs | that my hmmmmm was my first thought to |
| 15:39.22 | dacs | how do i remove the entire Games from gnome and my system, i am not a game person and its taking disk space |
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| 15:39.38 | onetinsoldier | well, i'm not familiar with ksh.. so i dunno |
| 15:39.40 | anddam | Mallxs: ls /usr/bin/ksh |
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| 15:40.00 | anddam | oh the error says "ksh:" |
| 15:41.05 | Mallxs | anddam i did check that |
| 15:41.26 | onetinsoldier | dacs: i might be able to help. you are using debian.. right? |
| 15:41.37 | anddam | Mallxs: but we aren't in front of your monitor |
| 15:42.45 | dacs | onetinsoldier: no i am here in Debian and I use redhat.....does any other dest- have gnome?!!! |
| 15:42.47 | dacs | lol |
| 15:43.04 | dacs | yes i am using etch |
| 15:43.13 | Mallxs | anddam: I would like to infide all of you for bear ! |
| 15:43.31 | onetinsoldier | dacs: have you ever used the dpkg command? try dpkg -l gnome-games ..is it installed? |
| 15:43.59 | onetinsoldier | ok.. etch. i'm running lenny. probably the same package name tho |
| 15:44.27 | dacs | onetinsoldier: yes it is, so i can just do aptitude purge gnome-games |
| 15:44.35 | onetinsoldier | dacs: yep |
| 15:44.56 | dacs | onetinsoldier: is there is a way i can see how much disk space it is taking' |
| 15:45.04 | onetinsoldier | i don't know if aptitude is available in redhat tho.. rofl |
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| 15:46.21 | eject_ck1 | Hi ll |
| 15:46.24 | eject_ck1 | all |
| 15:46.35 | eject_ck1 | I need tool to resize my / partition |
| 15:46.50 | onetinsoldier | dacs: there's probably a way.. not sure what it is though. |
| 15:47.12 | eject_ck1 | to reduse size of /var and increase / |
| 15:47.14 | carbonize | gparted @ eject_ck1 |
| 15:47.27 | eject_ck1 | gparded afaik works only in X |
| 15:47.29 | eject_ck1 | no ? |
| 15:48.55 | onetinsoldier | eject_ck1: parted is the command line version |
| 15:49.04 | eject_ck1 | tnx |
| 15:49.05 | eject_ck1 | ! |
| 15:49.11 | onetinsoldier | np |
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| 15:51.21 | ddd | I have /dev/mapper/one and .../two partitions. How to make a RAID mirror out of it? Preferrably mirror that reads both copies on each read for integrity |
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| 15:51.34 | onetinsoldier | dacs: you still here? |
| 15:51.41 | dutchfish | hi, using debian lenny stock kernel. Trying to setup a bridge with 3 virtual machines attached to the bridge. Networking is fine when vm's want to go to outside. But the arp cache shows they cant learn eachother macs, whats wrong? |
| 15:52.08 | dacs | onetinsoldier: yes |
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| 15:53.14 | onetinsoldier | dacs: i think you can chrck where all these gnome-games are install to, then use the 'df' command(man df) to see how much space they are taking up. they are all probably install in the the same parent directory |
| 15:53.21 | onetinsoldier | check* |
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| 15:56.04 | LoLa | hello who help me? |
| 15:56.18 | onetinsoldier | dacs: then again, that might not work. been a long time for me, but df might not have an option to show space used starting with a parent directory |
| 15:56.19 | trifler | We all help |
| 15:56.31 | LoLa | I formatted my computer |
| 15:56.31 | hoxu | LoLa, no one will help you without some material to work on. Don't ask-to-ask |
| 15:56.32 | LoLa | but http://rafb.net/p/9345oQ81.html |
| 15:56.49 | trifler | onetinsoldier: Not knowing what you talking about, try du instead :) |
| 15:56.52 | hoxu | LoLa, what's the question? |
| 15:57.12 | onetinsoldier | trifler: ahh, that's it.. yep, du. thanks |
| 15:57.32 | LoLa | hoxu http://rafb.net/p/9345oQ81.html |
| 15:57.55 | onetinsoldier | dacs:you see that? it's the 'du' command, not 'df'. thanks to trifler |
| 15:57.57 | hoxu | LoLa, I don't see a question mark there |
| 15:58.06 | dacs | how do i mount a new HDD , i see it in fdisk -l |
| 15:58.14 | dacs | onetinsoldier: got it thank you |
| 15:58.20 | onetinsoldier | cool |
| 15:58.31 | trifler | dacs: You do like Lola there in fstab |
| 15:59.22 | dacs | trifler: i don't understand |
| 15:59.55 | trifler | dacs: You mount a new disk using fstab. Or more so you edit fstab. |
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| 16:00.53 | onetinsoldier | it is possible to make a new mount point and mount it directly with the mount command too |
| 16:00.58 | dacs | trifler: ok, but how do i do that, i know the command mount -t ext 3 <device>....but i am confused what is the different between hdb and hdb1 |
| 16:01.04 | hoxu | dacs, if it does not have a partition table, make one. Then make some filesystems on the partitions and mount them |
| 16:01.17 | Mallxs | anddam: I fired up a other system and there it works Ok so it looks like by system is sick |
| 16:01.23 | hoxu | dacs, hdb is the whole device, hdb1 is the first partition on it |
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| 16:02.00 | dacs | hoxu: so if i want to mount the whole drive i do it using hdb ? |
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| 16:02.28 | do_guh_new | mount /dev/hdb |
| 16:02.39 | trifler | dacs: hd or sd followed by a letter is the hardrive itself. The numbers followed by that is partitions |
| 16:02.43 | hoxu | dacs, uh-huh, you usually create a partition table on it, are you sure you know what you are doing? |
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| 16:03.57 | hoxu | dacs, eg. "cfdisk /dev/hdb", add some partitions, write, mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 for example, then mount |
| 16:04.14 | smacnay | enouf: hi again, well, snd_pcsp did not work in the blacklist. |
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| 16:06.58 | trifler | smacnay: It still makes a sound when you tab to autocomplete for example? |
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| 16:08.06 | smacnay | trifler: no - actually I don't want thie module to load because it grabs the primary soundcard slot and throws the rest of my machine off... my regular soundcard does not get used. |
| 16:08.09 | anddam | how do I change x-window-manager from openbox to fluxbox? |
| 16:08.32 | smacnay | anddam: update-alternatives --default x-window-manager -- I think |
| 16:08.42 | petemc | anddam: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 16:08.48 | smacnay | anddam: or something like that |
| 16:09.00 | smacnay | anddam: what petemc said |
| 16:09.13 | anddam | thanks |
| 16:09.20 | anddam | I wastrying setting it with --set |
| 16:09.26 | smacnay | anddam: you need to run that as root |
| 16:09.36 | anddam | --config is better |
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| 16:11.13 | trifler | smacnay: okey, Then my "work arounds" for disable pcspkr won't do the trik |
| 16:11.15 | trifler | trick* |
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| 16:12.04 | onetinsoldier | anyone know how to stop eth0 messages from coming out on console terminals? |
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| 16:12.22 | Kraftzwerk | assuming i want to export an encfs-encrypted folder via NFS... what do i do? (user_allow_other in /etc/fuso.conf is set, /etc/export has anonuid and anongid set to the owner of the encfs-"share)... what else? |
| 16:13.00 | neighborlee | why isn't this working: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common < and I am connected to internet of course and this is a fresh debian lenny install |
| 16:13.04 | petemc | onetinsoldier: try dmesg -n1 |
| 16:13.21 | hoxu | !tell onetinsoldier about printk |
| 16:13.26 | LoLa | hoxu do you know the command to scan for wireless networks? |
| 16:13.38 | onetinsoldier | petemc: ok, i will give that a try and i will read the message from dpkg |
| 16:13.44 | onetinsoldier | thx |
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| 16:13.52 | zmitya | hi all |
| 16:13.54 | hoxu | LoLa, iwlist scanning? Anyway, address the whole channel, not individual nicks :p |
| 16:14.15 | zmitya | is it possible to keep the uptime after a reboot ? |
| 16:14.33 | hoxu | zmitya, what sense would that make? |
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| 16:15.48 | cahoot | can't you echo any value you wish to /proc/uptime? |
| 16:16.16 | hoxu | zmitya, you could hack the uptime executable or make a wrapper of it if you want to fool users, but that does not make sense, as the real information will be possible to dig out anyway... |
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| 16:17.09 | LoLa | 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02 |
| 16:17.11 | LoLa | doesnt that mean the driver is installed? |
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| 16:17.18 | cahoot | no |
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| 16:17.49 | cahoot | but it should be a no-brainer to get it to work |
| 16:17.57 | zmitya | hoxu: well, it is for prestige... My ISP will have power supply upgrade, so there will be outage |
| 16:18.21 | cahoot | zmitya: s2ram |
| 16:18.25 | zmitya | and we don't want to loose our uptime just because of this |
| 16:18.43 | cahoot | err |
| 16:18.49 | onetinsoldier | petemc: thank you. been trying to get help for that problem for a few days |
| 16:18.51 | hjb | zmitya hibernate it |
| 16:18.55 | LoLa | cahoot nah it worked fine before |
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| 16:18.56 | smacnay | ok, seems that if I shut alsa down and run alsaconf, only my via onboard sound is configured (what I want). On boot, however, the pcsp driver gets loaded even though I have 'properly' blacklisted it. Other than renaming the pcsp to something else in the kernel module tree, how can I stop this module from loading? |
| 16:19.01 | hjb | zmitya aka suspund to disk |
| 16:19.02 | zmitya | cahoot: thx, chacking it |
| 16:19.09 | smacnay | This issue started with the 2.6.26 .deb kernels. |
| 16:19.14 | cahoot | zmitya: s2disk of course |
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| 16:19.58 | zmitya | cahoot: does it require any special kernel module or something ? is it just a user space thing ? |
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| 16:20.39 | cahoot | zmitya: it was really more of a joke - but suspend is userspace |
| 16:20.55 | mufa_ | hi guys. Can anyone tell me on which debian was kernel 2.4.18 or 2.4.22? Thank you very much |
| 16:20.58 | smacnay | I notice that a lot of stuff is set to run in rcconf. Could that trump a blacklisted module setting? |
| 16:21.10 | hjb | zmitya you'd need to config s2disk before using it |
| 16:21.29 | hjb | zmitya iirc you also need to add new parameters to the kernel command line |
| 16:21.35 | zmitya | cahoot: well, not too bad idea, I will check it because it is really important :) |
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| 16:22.43 | hjb | zmitya that is: it's hard to tell if you won't lose your uptime because things aren't working as expected ;) |
| 16:23.06 | hoxu | !s2disk |
| 16:23.06 | dpkg | i guess s2disk is something what does not work. |
| 16:23.10 | hoxu | :} |
| 16:23.10 | zmitya | hjb: :) |
| 16:23.16 | idbita | zmitya: Over one hundred pieces of proprietary firmware and binary blobs were removed from the same software is excluded the backing project was thus born and agostino russo taking inspiration from topologilinux which provided a simple windows frontend. |
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| 16:24.16 | hjb | hoxu great :-D |
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| 16:25.53 | zmitya | well, around ~1998 there were a tool, that do it for you (on potato I think :)) but I'm not up to date in this field |
| 16:25.57 | zmitya | idbita: ? |
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| 16:27.03 | donspaulding | hi all. Is it possible to use debootstrap to install to a directory *from* a CD or .iso file? |
| 16:28.16 | smacnay | should "discover" be run on boot? |
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| 16:30.16 | hjb | zmitya interesting. such a tool would brake the whole "uptime" concept, though |
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| 16:30.51 | hjb | zmitya what the hell would be the "prestige" factor if anyone can change it's uptime to whatever he wants? |
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| 16:31.04 | Jemt | When GDM starts it also turns on my laptop monitor, which prevents me from using a higher resolution on the external monitor. How do I turn it off or prevent GDM/X/Gnome from turning it on? |
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| 16:31.29 | hjb | Jemt can't you live with low resolution gdm? |
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| 16:31.40 | hjb | Jemt you can change resolution later after login |
| 16:31.43 | Jemt | hjb, Yes, but not in Gnome |
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| 16:32.04 | beardy | How is that possible. He looks at it the entire time it takes to write username and pass. |
| 16:32.04 | hjb | Jemt read my second sentence ;) |
| 16:32.07 | Jemt | hjb, Nope, I can't select resolutions higher than the laptop monitor is capable of displaying |
| 16:32.19 | hjb | Jemt did you try xrandr? |
| 16:32.20 | Jemt | Therefore, it must be switched off |
| 16:32.38 | Jemt | I don't understand why it is suddently turned on automatically. I'm using Lenny btw |
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| 16:33.11 | hjb | Jemt hmm, it used to do that a long time for me |
| 16:33.20 | hjb | ever since i installed multihead on my machine |
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| 16:33.46 | zmitya | hjb: well, ask my boss... you need to know that we are providing HA voip apps, and one of our demo server will be affected next week. He just want me to try to save the uptime somehow, but not at any price |
| 16:34.30 | hjb | Jemt again: have you tried xrandr? (if your card supports that)? |
| 16:34.38 | Jemt | hjb, I don't use multihead on this PC. I did try xrandr, but it won't change the fact that I won't be able to change to a higher resolution, as long as the laptop monitor is on |
| 16:34.46 | neighborlee | I used HELP in synaptic ( to enable contrib) and it says to enable non-free repo by of course checkbox,,but there is no advanced button on the bottom left corner of synaptic as they should be..? ;) |
| 16:35.01 | hjb | Jemt you should be able to switch it off using xrandr |
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| 16:35.31 | xingu | zmitya: doesn't the server have n+1 power supply redundancy? |
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| 16:35.41 | Jemt | hjb, Oh, I see |
| 16:36.10 | hjb | Jemt something like xrandr --output LVDS --off |
| 16:36.11 | Jemt | hjb, Thanks, I will look into that. I have to make a phone call first :) |
| 16:36.17 | Jemt | Super, thanks :) |
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| 16:39.22 | ikonia | what operators are available please. |
| 16:39.42 | Sling | you need operators for your debian problems? |
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| 16:40.00 | stevedondley | I'm trying to find a directory named "image". I'm using this command: "find */modules/ -maxdepth 1 -name image". But I don't want find report paths that have a symlink anywhere in the path. I tried the -H and -P switch but they didn't have an effect. |
| 16:40.53 | ikonia | RichiH peterS stew Maulkin azeem LoRez xk TML-prveeyore- caphuso dondelelcaro Hydroxide Netsnipe bdale greycat ElectricElf be aware that idbita is a bot, see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for examples. I'll make it respond to highlight |
| 16:40.57 | ikonia | .beats |
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| 16:41.13 | Jemt | BRB :) |
| 16:41.22 | valdyn | ikonia: bots are legal here_ |
| 16:41.24 | valdyn | ikonia: bots are legal here? |
| 16:41.27 | zmitya | xingu: it does not have :) anyway, to loosing 586 days of uptime just because of your ISP is a bit sad :) but my boss will accept it, he must be :) |
| 16:41.31 | ikonia | I didn't think they where legal |
| 16:41.36 | valdyn | !bt |
| 16:41.36 | dpkg | bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom, or bittorrent |
| 16:41.37 | valdyn | !bot |
| 16:41.37 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 16:41.57 | valdyn | ikonia: theres a few more regularily used bots, i dont know the policy |
| 16:42.07 | petemc | the policy is no bots |
| 16:42.09 | petemc | aiui |
| 16:42.10 | valdyn | @test |
| 16:42.12 | valdyn | ah |
| 16:42.22 | ikonia | petemc: I thought as much |
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| 16:42.27 | ikonia | the user "remote" is running the bot |
| 16:42.42 | ikonia | sorry, I'll rephrase that, the user "remote" is running the bot "idbita" |
| 16:43.21 | xingu | zmitya: sounds like your boss's mouth is writing cheques that his design budget can't cash to me |
| 16:43.30 | azeem | ikonia: so are you saying you have nothing to do with idbita? |
| 16:43.42 | ikonia | %100 |
| 16:43.54 | LjL | azeem: yes, that's correct, he doesn't |
| 16:44.27 | LjL | azeem: aside from having banned it in another channel, that is. |
| 16:44.34 | remote | ikonia: you're making serious accusations please refrain |
| 16:44.46 | ikonia | remote: you just said it was your bot in ##slackware |
| 16:44.55 | remote | no |
| 16:45.02 | ikonia | 16:40 < remote> well i am the only one with all the code |
| 16:45.14 | ikonia | or did I miss-understand what you where saying ? |
| 16:45.24 | remote | i don't even know what this is about don't abuse your free speech |
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| 16:45.26 | zmitya | xingu: yes, but thats his problem from now :) I think I wont try to suspend the system, it seems it depends on lot of things... so I'm giving up this project :) |
| 16:45.36 | ikonia | remote: your in the same channels as the bot also |
| 16:45.43 | remote | i have no idea |
| 16:45.58 | remote | i'm in 16 channels |
| 16:46.04 | ikonia | and the bot stopped responding after you said "hi" |
| 16:46.06 | hjb | zmitya that'll save you some headaches :-) |
| 16:47.10 | zmitya | hjb: as I can see the posts on the topic, I agree :) |
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| 16:47.32 | hjb | zmitya btw. what's the current uptime? must be quite high so that preserving matters |
| 16:47.57 | zmitya | hjb: 586 days |
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| 16:48.19 | zmitya | hjb: it looks good if you show it to the opssible customers :D |
| 16:48.29 | zmitya | *potential |
| 16:49.04 | petemc | not if those users are worried about exploitable kernels |
| 16:49.16 | petemc | s/users/customers/ |
| 16:49.20 | azeem | remote: so do you have anything to do with idbita can make it leave? |
| 16:49.26 | hjb | zmitya just make a script containing "echo 17:48:55 up 586 day, 20:43, 4 users, load average: 0.11, 0.08, 0.29" |
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| 16:49.34 | hjb | and replace the real uptime with it ;) |
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| 16:49.40 | zmitya | hjb: lol :D |
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| 16:50.21 | hjb | petemc wow, good argument |
| 16:50.22 | kqr | i have an radeon IGP 340M graphics chip, i use the 'radeon' drivers, and i have direct rendering enabled... and even the simplest game runs at 5fps (bad result). glxgears runs at ~300 fps (also a bad result)... what's went wrong? |
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| 16:50.50 | hoxu | ikonia, bot? What for? And why it doesn't have indicative ircname/version reply? |
| 16:51.02 | Jemt | hjb: How do I find out the name of the --output argument? LVDS is not the value I'm supposed to use, right ? |
| 16:51.05 | xingu | petemc: check this out... http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=122729884712765&w=2 |
| 16:51.13 | stevedondley | I'm trying to find a directory named "image". I'm using this command: "find */modules/ -maxdepth 1 -name image". But I don't want find to report paths that have a symlink anywhere in the path to the image directory. How do I do that? |
| 16:51.15 | hjb | Jemt right, xrandr -q |
| 16:51.20 | ikonia | hoxu: it was an unoccifical bot |
| 16:51.22 | Jemt | Oh, fancy :) |
| 16:51.23 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 16:51.30 | ikonia | hoxu: the owner has just told it to stop responding, but it is still a bot |
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| 16:51.39 | ikonia | hoxu: http://inamidst.com/phenny/ |
| 16:51.47 | hjb | Jemt hope it'll work... not all drivers support that extenstion |
| 16:52.07 | Jemt | So do i :) |
| 16:52.15 | petemc | xingu: nice |
| 16:52.16 | azeem | we don't particularly care about bots which just idle and don't say anything, ever |
| 16:52.23 | hoxu | ikonia, right. I don't think the ops or users really want more bots here, apart from the existing ones + dpkg backups |
| 16:52.35 | hoxu | azeem :) |
| 16:52.49 | beardy | So 400 of you can leave now. |
| 16:53.07 | Jemt | hjb, wow, it worked :) |
| 16:53.09 | ikonia | hoxu: I know - it should be removed |
| 16:53.18 | ikonia | hoxu: hence why I called the ops as a heads up |
| 16:53.21 | xingu | petemc: I've got half a mind to start building that into my own kernels just so I can annoy people :) |
| 16:53.42 | Jemt | hjb, will my laptop monitor remain turned off if I restart GDM? |
| 16:53.51 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.56 | petemc | i dont practise what i preach |
| 16:54.05 | Jemt | hjb, xOrg has been automatically configured to use this low resolution, so I still can't switch to a higher one |
| 16:54.10 | hoxu | petemc, rooted 338 days? :p |
| 16:54.21 | petemc | not that ive noticed :) |
| 16:54.41 | hoxu | stable and stealthy rootkit. Cheers :P |
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| 16:55.05 | hjb | Jemt how does your xrandr -q output looks like? |
| 16:55.06 | nalioth | remote: please remove your bot from the network |
| 16:55.10 | hjb | (paste please) |
| 16:55.16 | Jemt | hjb, just a sec :) |
| 16:55.28 | mhymn_ | beardy: now we see that you can stay |
| 16:55.59 | hoxu | besides the idlers, this channel only has bots providing heuristic mappings from questions to dpkg factoids |
| 16:56.03 | beardy | mhymn_: now: not enough arguments |
| 16:56.07 | hjb | Jemt probably you'll need to add a "virtual" derective to your xorg.conf. see man xorg.conf |
| 16:56.16 | xdr | hoxu: the answer to your question is 42 |
| 16:56.33 | Jemt | hjb, http://pastebin.ca/1265137 |
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| 16:56.37 | mhymn_ | :) |
| 16:56.38 | hjb | Jemt i guess it's automatically set to the startup value and later, screens can be larger than it's value |
| 16:56.39 | Jemt | hjb, ok, checking the man pages |
| 16:57.34 | hjb | Jemt oh, forget it. screen is fine |
| 16:57.43 | hjb | "Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1600 x 1200" |
| 16:57.45 | Jemt | Btw, xrandr reports invalid resolutions. 1600x1024 will not look right on this monitor. 1650x1080 will though |
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| 16:58.32 | Jemt | Goodie :) |
| 16:58.57 | hjb | Jemt uhm, that's a a prob |
| 16:58.58 | smacnay | Not sure why, but the only thing that blacklisted the snd_pcsp module was to add "blacklist snd_pcsp" to /etc/modprobe.conf. |
| 16:59.20 | hjb | Jemt i think you can only set the resolution to values xrandr knows about it |
| 16:59.23 | smacnay | Following the blacklist rules for /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local did not work. |
| 16:59.52 | Jemt | hjb, okay. Anything is better than the current value :) |
| 16:59.58 | smacnay | should modprobe.conf be under /etc or should it be referenced from another file? |
| 17:00.00 | Jemt | hjb, oh, sorry. Be rightback.. |
| 17:00.42 | hjb | Jemt yeah? even 720x400 :-P |
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| 17:01.24 | pred2k5 | hi, has anyone got a tomcat6 repository? |
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| 17:01.32 | Jemt | hjb: heh :p |
| 17:02.29 | hjb | Jemt oh, i've foun that you can even add new modes using xrandr |
| 17:02.35 | hjb | see --newmode |
| 17:02.48 | hjb | maybe you can get the native resolution with it |
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| 17:03.07 | Jemt | hjb, wouldn't it be possible to fix the problem concerning the laptop monitor being turned on automatically? That way xorg will still be able to do its automatic configuration |
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| 17:04.11 | hjb | Jemt hmm, sounds good |
| 17:04.23 | hjb | Jemt what card do you have? |
| 17:04.40 | smacnay | should I even have a /etc/modprobe.conf file in Debian testing using the 2.6.26 .deb kernel? |
| 17:05.13 | Jemt | hjb, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY |
| 17:05.31 | Jemt | hjb, oh, supper is served. May I disturb you again in about 30 minutes ? |
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| 17:06.48 | hjb | Jemt i'm not there then |
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| 17:06.59 | hjb | Jemt i've leave in 5 minutes |
| 17:07.03 | Jemt | Oh, ok. Thanks so far then |
| 17:07.04 | hjb | Jemt sorry :-( |
| 17:07.08 | Jemt | That's ok. See you |
| 17:07.11 | hjb | cu |
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| 17:07.16 | hjb | good luck! |
| 17:07.47 | hoxu | !flw |
| 17:07.47 | dpkg | <SquireCD> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib <tarzeau> SquireCD: YOUR SOURCES.LIST IS WRONG! <SquireCD> tarzeau: WTF is wrong with it? <greycat> for one thing, it says "unstable". <SquireCD> yes it does, and it's always worked <SquireCD> for 3 years it's been fine <SquireCD> i have contrib in my sources, what does that do? |
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| 17:08.44 | RichiH | ikonia: what does the bot do? |
| 17:09.10 | ikonia | RichiH: nothing now, it's gone |
| 17:09.14 | ikonia | RichiH: just spewed rubbish |
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| 17:12.28 | xtr | anyone here using joomla! and XAMPP on debian etch |
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| 17:14.25 | xtr | anyone here building a web |
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| 17:16.01 | xtr | anyone know where to put my joomla! tree? |
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| 17:18.08 | \amethyst | xtr: #apachefriends seems to be the XAMPP channel here, you might try that |
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| 17:19.48 | xtr | copy thanks..i was just looking through the IRC channels |
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| 17:20.34 | Gumbler | hello i have a problem with apt-get i can not install tcl :/ (bad englisch) |
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| 17:21.03 | Gumbler | Paket tcl8.4 ist nicht verfügbar, wird aber von einem anderen |
| 17:21.03 | Gumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.05 | abrotman | no habla german! |
| 17:22.16 | Gumbler | mh |
| 17:22.23 | abrotman | Gumbler: LANG=C <command> |
| 17:22.48 | avu | Gumbler, or ask in #debian.de |
| 17:22.54 | Gumbler | k thanks |
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| 17:23.32 | enouf | smacnay: that's a shame - something is screwy then ... have you run alsaconf? try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base (select alsa) .. try muting the sucker in alsamixer .. |
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| 17:24.11 | enouf | smacnay: show me output of cat /proc/asound/cards once you've run alsaconf as root |
| 17:25.02 | enouf | smacnay: can you also pastebin ouput of lspci -k and lspci -nn please? |
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| 17:25.38 | bkw | apt, tell me about codecs |
| 17:25.46 | dominicus | Since this is my first debian install, and it comes with the territory, can anyone tell me how to reinstall xorg so that I can get it working again. I would prefer to know how to reinstall something and at the same time reinstall ALL of its dependencis, but I'm not seeing how to do that using apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 17:26.55 | enouf | dominicus: this is not windows |
| 17:27.21 | valdyn | dominicus: what's broken? |
| 17:27.25 | cahoot | (in which case the problem wouldn't exist ;) |
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| 17:27.54 | enouf | !tell dominicus -about grounding |
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| 17:30.31 | dominicus | valdyn: I tried getting the nvidia binary dirver package to work, it wasn't working for me, so I ultimately after several other attempts installed the nvidia video driver via the nvidia installer and it broke stuff, so then I tried deleting evrything nvidia related, and then xorg related in the hopes that i would kill everything that was an issue, and I would just reinstall the nvidia and xorg debian repository builds. But, aptitude and apt-get aren't l |
| 17:32.35 | enouf | smacnay: wonderful .. i just saw your messages about /etc/modprobe.conf .. sorry .. but what a crock of shit, if that is the only way it gets blacklisted .. and no,you shouldn't have that file in lenny |
| 17:35.04 | neighborlee | m xorg file is nothing like debian wiki mentions..does the lenny installer do something entirely different with it,,just wondering because reconfigure xserver-xorg <isn't even asking me to use Xserver driver , so how to I procede ? ;) |
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| 17:37.38 | abrotman | neighborlee: it's autodetected now |
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| 17:42.10 | enouf | smacnay: and btw, are you sure you don't mean /etc/modules.conf? (anyways, i'm off for a while, i'll see your repl{y,ies} later) |
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| 17:44.01 | neighborlee | abrotman, so the wiki needs updating is what you mean..regardless, how do I do the nvidia thing automagically then ? |
| 17:44.22 | neighborlee | abrotman, which im happy to do..I just need to find out how to do it now first ;) |
| 17:44.47 | abrotman | which wiki? |
| 17:44.54 | neighborlee | abrotman, synaptic doesn't have the 'advanded' tab either to allow to add like contrib etc.. |
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| 17:45.00 | neighborlee | abrotman, one sec |
| 17:45.13 | neighborlee | abrotman, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries < this one. |
| 17:45.19 | abrotman | ah |
| 17:46.10 | neighborlee | abrotman, where it says to do: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to use nvidia instead of nv |
| 17:46.25 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 17:46.38 | abrotman | that might be targeted towards etch users |
| 17:46.38 | neighborlee | then I noticed dexconf, but running that from terminal seemed to do nothing |
| 17:46.45 | neighborlee | hm |
| 17:48.00 | abrotman | X -configure perhaps |
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| 17:49.33 | neighborlee | abrotman, it just warned me that server is already active for display 0 ( fatal server error) |
| 17:49.49 | abrotman | guess you need to shut down X to do that |
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| 17:53.06 | doudou | Hi, how can i use gnash? i never liked flash and dont want anything from adobe but cant find gnash and iceweasel |
| 17:53.35 | neighborlee | doudou, thats not a story you willl like ;) |
| 17:53.50 | doudou | where can i read it? |
| 17:53.51 | neighborlee | doudou, gnash works,,but it does NOT work on all sites..just realize YMWV ;) |
| 17:53.53 | davi | What package to watch TV? |
| 17:54.26 | abrotman | !gnash |
| 17:54.26 | dpkg | somebody said gnash was a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch> |
| 17:54.37 | doudou | i dont care if it does not work perfectly, i just want to have nothing to share with adobe |
| 17:55.27 | neighborlee | doudou, well at least they support linux directly as a download from the site unlike silverlight ;) |
| 17:55.32 | neighborlee | but yes I understand. |
| 17:55.58 | davi | !tv |
| 17:55.58 | dpkg | well, tv is xawtv |
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| 17:56.09 | davi | !xawtv |
| 17:56.09 | dpkg | xawtv is probably used to watch tv in X. You need bttv or video4linux. or at http://www.in-berlin.de/User/kraxel/xawtv.html, or xawtv sucks and you should use tvtime |
| 17:56.19 | doudou | I must install gnash with downloading sources? there is no plugin for iceweasel? |
| 17:56.42 | neighborlee | doudou, btw,,just apt it :) |
| 17:57.02 | cahoot | doudou: http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/?p=193 |
| 17:57.11 | doudou | i dont want to heard silverlight anymore too, adobe microsoft fuck off |
| 17:57.32 | cahoot | you'll adjust |
| 17:58.09 | xingu | says something about "thin clients" and giggles insanely |
| 17:58.16 | neighborlee | lol |
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| 18:00.07 | ringo999 | how do i install the latest kernel on lenny using aptitude? |
| 18:00.10 | doudou | i diont understand anything about lenny etch and more, i read aptitude, aptitude search gnash returns nothing |
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| 18:00.55 | abrotman | !tell doudou about gnash etch |
| 18:01.10 | abrotman | !tell doudou about etch gnash |
| 18:01.16 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 18:01.23 | abrotman | !tell doudou about gnash_etch |
| 18:01.25 | abrotman | finally! |
| 18:01.37 | abrotman | !tell doudou about bpo |
| 18:02.08 | doudou | i only want a simple computer able to run a web browser |
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| 18:02.54 | doudou | i suppose that "before looking at complex master simple" never reach linux people |
| 18:03.39 | doudou | i leave |
| 18:04.30 | cahoot | hi again microsoft? |
| 18:04.37 | hoxu | !flw |
| 18:04.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw44 is < Horde> FUDGE that was stupid, got the dos looking debian :( < Horde> !!!!! < dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric < Horde> + i only have 1 blank cd left, so i better make it count |
| 18:04.45 | smacnay | enouf: sure - I did stop the pcsp module from loading by adding 'blacklist snd_pcsp' to /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 18:05.11 | cahoot | and rebuilt initramfs? |
| 18:05.30 | smacnay | enouf: maybe that file is interfering with blacklisting in lenny/testing? |
| 18:05.55 | smacnay | enouf: I do recall seeing a message at boot about the modprobe.conf file. |
| 18:06.22 | amikrop | Hello. Each time I login I find my PCM and Volume muted and full low sound. |
| 18:06.36 | amikrop | I fix it, but everytime I login, I have the same problem. |
| 18:06.39 | cahoot | amikrop: alsa-utils not in place? |
| 18:06.59 | amikrop | cahoot: no |
| 18:07.11 | cahoot | amikrop: you want it |
| 18:07.28 | amikrop | cahoot: Why isn't it installed by default? |
| 18:07.39 | smacnay | enouf: I might try renaming the modules.conf file on next boot and see in the blacklist.local entries take effect. |
| 18:07.40 | amikrop | cahoot: It is silly to have to re-fix the volumes each time. |
| 18:07.42 | cahoot | amikrop: I'm a mere user |
| 18:07.53 | amikrop | cahoot: ok. thanks, anyway :-) |
| 18:08.19 | Jemt | When GDM starts, my laptop monitor is automatically turned on, which forces xorg to use the highest resolution possible on the laptop screen. This, however, is a lot lower than my external monitor. Why is GDM/Gnome/X turning on my laptop monitor? And can I suppress this odd behaviour? I'm using Lenny. The problem does not exist on Etch. |
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| 18:09.51 | smacnay | enouf: no - it is /etc/modprobe.conf |
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| 18:12.05 | Jemt | BRB |
| 18:12.32 | abrotman | why does he keep telling us? |
| 18:12.34 | LarsEee | i'm trying to make my umts stick work with debian lenny. using umtsmon i made it recogize the stick and stuff, but i can't get a connection. as user there's no error message at all, it just fails. as root i get this: /usr/sbin/pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 18:13.36 | Kraftzwerk | mysql problem: if i set up mysql to be bound to hostname or the specific IP, even the mythfrontend on the same machine cannot connect to mysql (neither 127.0.0.1, nor hostname, nor IP work) what is going wrong here? |
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| 18:14.04 | roland | hello I need to add a 2.7.27 kernel into debian 4 install cd. any help ? |
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| 18:21.06 | Jemt | I got two really annoying problems with Debian Lenny: 1) NumLock is on when Gnome starts (after GDM login). 2) My laptop monitor is automatically turned on. Can someone help me with these problems ? |
| 18:21.27 | Jemt | The monitor is turned on when GDM starts |
| 18:21.29 | nkuttler | roland: missing driver? read the debian installer faq. |
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| 18:23.15 | roland | also can I remove firefox iceweasel branding? |
| 18:23.20 | babymausiwolf | hi, i just made a lenny testing install, in installed xorg but it doesnt seem to reconize my grafic card, i also did dpkg-reconfigure but there no driver selection option |
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| 18:24.03 | babymausiwolf | normally it runs with vesa |
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| 18:25.09 | Jemt | babymausiwolf: What errors do you get ? |
| 18:25.15 | babymausiwolf | but it only asks me about kernel framer buffer device yes or no either way still no driver selection, must i edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand using testing |
| 18:25.19 | abrotman | babymausiwolf: what is your video card ? |
| 18:25.47 | Jemt | babymausiwolf, xorg configures almost everything automatically now |
| 18:25.57 | babymausiwolf | ati rv190 qy radeon 7000/ve |
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| 18:26.09 | abrotman | babymausiwolf: a pretty old card i'd guess ? |
| 18:26.27 | babymausiwolf | worked fine in etch |
| 18:26.27 | abrotman | babymausiwolf: you installed X with 'aptitude install xorg' ? |
| 18:26.34 | babymausiwolf | yes |
| 18:26.52 | sladi | Jemt: numlock in x is controled by numlockx package. |
| 18:26.58 | babymausiwolf | well apt-get install better said |
| 18:27.00 | babymausiwolf | srry |
| 18:27.02 | abrotman | babymausiwolf: did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for an error ? |
| 18:27.07 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 18:27.08 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 18:27.39 | LarsEee | i'm trying to make my umts stick work with debian lenny. using umtsmon i made it recogize the stick and stuff, but i can't get a connection. as user there's no error message at all, it just fails. as root i get this: /usr/sbin/pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 18:28.20 | Jemt | sladi, ok, I will try removing the package to avoid this feature. I don't need to be able to re-activate it anyways. Thanks :) |
| 18:28.52 | Jemt | Any suggestion regarding my problem with my laptop monitor being turned on automatically by GDM ? |
| 18:29.49 | sladi | Jemt: I'd try to tell xorg or gdm to connect to your external monitor instead of the laptop monitor. |
| 18:30.11 | sladi | Jemt: I think xorg.conf should have options or that. |
| 18:30.35 | abrotman | xrandr perhaps |
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| 18:30.42 | Jemt | sladi: That might be possible but not the best solution. Xorg should be able to configure my system automatically |
| 18:31.28 | Jemt | abrotman, I'm able to switch my laptop monitor off using xrandr, but Xorg has still been initialized with the maximum resolution which my laptop monitor is capable of displaying, so I can't switch to a higher resolution |
| 18:31.44 | abrotman | ask #xorg ? |
| 18:31.51 | Jemt | And I simply dosn't understand why it is turned on automatically. I don't think it is supposed to do stuff I don't ask it to do :) |
| 18:31.59 | Jemt | abrotman: I will try that. Thanks :) |
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| 18:32.49 | sladi | Jemt: try to add a modeline. you'd get a panning screen on the laptop. |
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| 18:33.17 | steve_j | hi all |
| 18:33.19 | Jemt | A mode line? What should it do ? |
| 18:33.25 | steve_j | anyone here running django and mysql? |
| 18:33.27 | Jemt | Specify modes (resolutions)? |
| 18:33.36 | steve_j | i can't get the python-mysql db adaptor towork |
| 18:34.28 | sladi | Jemt: yes, you should specifiy the bigger external monitor resolution. I did something similar a long time ago. Maybe you can specifi resoloutions for both monitors anyway? |
| 18:35.20 | sladi | Jemt: by putting two display sections into xorg.conf |
| 18:35.27 | Jemt | That might work, but not the ideal solution. I would prefer that my laptop monitor didn't turn on |
| 18:35.33 | abrotman | ask #xorg |
| 18:35.37 | Jemt | I am :) |
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| 18:40.04 | steve_j | Jemt - was that at me? |
| 18:40.31 | Jemt | Nope |
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| 18:48.27 | Jemt | While waiting for an answer in #xorg.. Would it be possible to "unload" an "internal" (laptop) monitor, if an external monitor is connected? |
| 18:49.01 | Jemt | Removing drivers, entries from the kernel or what ever, so it couldn't be turned on |
| 18:49.26 | abrotman | in the bios maybe |
| 18:49.46 | Jemt | Ok. That won't work in my situation |
| 18:49.54 | sladi | Jemt: IIRC you can tell xorg to turn off a monitor (display order option or something). MAYBE it's only possible with Nvidia drivers. |
| 18:49.55 | Jemt | I don't have access to the BIOS |
| 18:50.17 | abrotman | why don't you have access to the bios? |
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| 18:50.33 | MikeH | Evening guys |
| 18:50.36 | Jemt | sladi, okay, thanks. I guess that would require scripting as the monitors change on various installations |
| 18:50.43 | MikeH | How is it possible to move a rule up a chain? |
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| 18:50.46 | MikeH | with iptables? |
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| 18:51.11 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
| 18:51.21 | Jemt | abrotman: I'm working on my portable Linux Installation which I bring to school. It is installed to a Flash device. I just want it to work on any computer - laptops included |
| 18:51.22 | abrotman | or see man iptables or netfilter.org |
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| 18:55.45 | jbourne | Jemt what do you mean exactly with want it to work on any computer? drivers problems on some pcs, or simply doesnt run in some others? |
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| 18:56.53 | ringo999 | what a good alternative for wicd? it doesnt work for me on lenny with xfce |
| 18:57.04 | ron1n | ringo999, wifi-radare |
| 18:57.08 | ron1n | radar* |
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| 18:57.32 | Jemt | jbourne, No driver problems. The installation works fine. It's just that my laptop monitor is automatically turned on my xorg/GDM/Radeon-driver or similar |
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| 18:59.53 | ron1n | ringo999, but if wicd isn't working, I can almost be certain the issue is elsewhere in your configuration. In my experience, I have never had problems with it. |
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| 19:03.45 | hollywoodb | I'm running lenny/testing and I notice on packages.debian.org that tmw (The Mana World) is only available for sid/unstable... is there any way to install this on lenny other than backporting it? |
| 19:03.53 | hollywoodb | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tmw&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 19:04.01 | abrotman | you can backport it :) |
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| 19:04.51 | abrotman | hollywoodb: is it akin to the Secret of Mana game ? |
| 19:05.13 | hollywoodb | is there a guide to backporting packages? I've built packages for other distros but I've never taken on a debian backport |
| 19:05.13 | \amethyst | not really |
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| 19:05.22 | abrotman | guess not |
| 19:05.24 | Mohammad[B] | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.27 | abrotman | !tell hollywoodb about ssb |
| 19:05.27 | \amethyst | the graphics maybe, but the game itself is a MMO |
| 19:05.34 | abrotman | Mohammad[B]: man wget .. it tells you how |
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| 19:07.13 | Mohammad[B] | abrotman, ok, ty :-) |
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| 19:10.59 | lard-Vader | I am getting " Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb3" even though my device.map says "(hd1) /dev/sdb" How could this be? |
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| 19:11.46 | ulifer | does anyone know if there is a download for 686 instruction set? |
| 19:12.17 | abrotman | i386 |
| 19:13.02 | lard-Vader | I was tempted to letmegooglethatforyou. |
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| 19:14.14 | Wyzard | ulifer: A download for an instruction set? |
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| 19:14.38 | amphi | ulifer: you mean the intel docs? |
| 19:14.41 | ulifer | i meant for debian |
| 19:14.46 | ulifer | but nvm, i'll download the 386 |
| 19:14.55 | Wyzard | There's no Debian built for i686 specifically |
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| 19:15.07 | ulifer | k |
| 19:15.23 | ulifer | I only need to install CD-1 right? what's in the rest of the cd's? |
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| 19:15.33 | ulifer | just extra packages? |
| 19:15.50 | \amethyst | ulifer: yes... really you can get by with just the netinst |
| 19:16.13 | \amethyst | ulifer: then select the packages you want during the installation |
| 19:16.18 | ulifer | alright |
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| 19:16.45 | dvs | ulifer: you can install the rest of the packages over the Internet |
| 19:16.50 | hollywoodb | worth noting that netinst doesn't have wireless tools, wpasupplicant, and is lacking firmware for most wifi cards that require that sort of thing |
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| 19:17.08 | jonaskoelker | hi all. I'm trying to run pulseaudio, I get "E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0,0: Device or resource busy". How do I find out why the device is busy? How do I use pa with an alsa sink? |
| 19:17.09 | \amethyst | hollywoodb: does CD1 have those? |
| 19:17.10 | abrotman | it's worth noting that the firmware is in non-free and not on any CD |
| 19:17.10 | ulifer | i won't be using wpasupp |
| 19:17.13 | jonaskoelker | startup log at http://rafb.net/p/FZFUT383.html -- default.pa at http://rafb.net/p/wFJGhT41.html |
| 19:17.40 | cahoot | jonaskoelker: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 19:17.53 | \amethyst | !dmix |
| 19:17.53 | dpkg | methinks dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 19:18.06 | \amethyst | jonaskoelker: ^^^ you might look into using dmix |
| 19:18.20 | \amethyst | jonaskoelker: that will let multiple alsa programs share the sound card |
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| 19:18.31 | cahoot | and is enabled by default |
| 19:18.35 | ulifer | i'm on ubuntu and everything just freezes on me, pidgin, firefox the gnome bar like twice a day |
| 19:18.42 | \amethyst | oh, it is? |
| 19:18.48 | ulifer | I feel like reformatting, and decided to go with debian |
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| 19:18.52 | \amethyst | cahoot: when did that start? |
| 19:18.54 | cahoot | it is |
| 19:19.02 | cahoot | since >1 year |
| 19:19.06 | \amethyst | ah |
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| 19:19.52 | cahoot | \amethyst: the problem being use of oss-emulation |
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| 19:23.49 | Jemt | BRB |
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| 19:24.35 | ringo999 | is there a kernel > 2.6.26 available in aptitude? |
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| 19:26.28 | miksuh | ringo999: for which Debian version? |
| 19:26.35 | ringo999 | lenny |
| 19:26.42 | miksuh | ah you said > |
| 19:26.44 | miksuh | I think not |
| 19:27.16 | miksuh | atleast not officially |
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| 19:37.41 | dvs | !aptitude moo |
| 19:37.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude moo is a hidden thingy... |
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| 19:42.40 | ringo999 | im trying to get wifi to run on a 1gen macbook, lenny with 2.6.26 kernel. any idea? |
| 19:43.14 | anddam | does lenny have 2.6.26?? |
| 19:43.27 | dvs | anddam: yes, |
| 19:43.29 | amphi | ringo999: what is it? broadcom? |
| 19:43.35 | anddam | I missed it |
| 19:44.02 | dvs | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:44.41 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 19:45.08 | jonaskoelker | hmm... I have the following .asoundrc: "pcm.!default { type pulse } \n ctl.!default { type pulse }"; I fire mpd up with "alsa" as the audio type, but when I run mpc play, mpd cycles through all the titles without playing anything |
| 19:45.09 | ringo999 | amphi: Atheros chipset |
| 19:45.13 | jonaskoelker | what gives? |
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| 19:46.30 | amphi | ringo999: madwifi? |
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| 19:46.43 | ringo999 | amphi: trying |
| 19:47.00 | amphi | !tell ringo -about laptop |
| 19:49.11 | anddam | dvs: I'm on 2.6.25 and I performed a safe-upgrade a couple hours ago, why didn't apt upgrade linux-image? |
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| 19:49.48 | dvs | anddam: because you don't have the linux-image-2.6-686 pseudo package installed? |
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| 19:49.56 | anddam | prolly |
| 19:50.02 | dvs | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 19:50.29 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 19:53.38 | Jemt | Can someone help me disable numlock permanently? I removed numlockx, but numlock is still enabled when I logon to Gnome. |
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| 19:55.07 | jonaskoelker | Jemt: set your bios to boot up with numlock off |
| 19:55.17 | jonaskoelker | Jemt: (I think) |
| 19:55.29 | jonaskoelker | Jemt: does it turn on after grub? |
| 19:55.38 | Jemt | Numlock is disabled upon boot. It is enabled when I logon to Gnome |
| 19:55.44 | jonaskoelker | ah |
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| 19:56.40 | abrotman | Jemt: did you check other WMs ? |
| 19:56.41 | arezey | how much of kde4 is in the debian lenny repository? i'm seeing a few entries and some others not, and am getting a little confused. |
| 19:57.00 | Jemt | abrotman: Nope, I only have Gnome installed |
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| 19:57.29 | Jemt | abrotman, let me just try plain X. BRB |
| 19:57.32 | xingu | Jemt: gconf-editor, search for numlock, twiddle "remember_numlock_state" |
| 19:57.37 | xingu | or, don't |
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| 19:58.26 | Roland- | hello, is there a more light version of gnome ? gnome-core or something? |
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| 19:58.43 | jonaskoelker | Roland-: there are more light-weight alternatives to gnome |
| 19:58.59 | jonaskoelker | Roland-: xfce, for one, and lxde (IIRC) for two |
| 19:59.03 | trifler | like everything else. |
| 19:59.06 | Roland- | yes I know but they look like hell. |
| 19:59.17 | Roland- | ah yes xfce is a nice buggy interface :) |
| 19:59.18 | Wyzard | Is the "dash" shell supposed to be a complete POSIX shell implementation? |
| 19:59.21 | trifler | Roland-: xfce doesn't look like hell. |
| 19:59.25 | jonaskoelker | Roland-: thanks, I'll tell them that for you ;) |
| 19:59.36 | Roland- | can I do metacity themes in xfce ? |
| 19:59.39 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.40 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.50 | \amethyst | Wyzard: it's intended to be, but there are probably some minor incompatibilities |
| 20:00.00 | jonaskoelker | Roland-: you could go with just a wm, plus the apps you need |
| 20:00.03 | Roland- | I am an fanatic user of the nimbus gtk theme |
| 20:00.31 | Roland- | if I can use that then xfce will be |
| 20:00.41 | Stupendoussteve | Roland-: I believe gnome is a meta-package, see http://packages.debian.org/etch/gnome |
| 20:00.41 | jonaskoelker | Roland-: there's your answer then -- you want something that supports gtk themes, i.e. gtk apps. Except for vlc and about two others, that means gnome apps |
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| 20:00.48 | \amethyst | Roland-: you can also run gnome-session-properties to configure what programs to launch on Gnome startup |
| 20:01.10 | Stupendoussteve | Roland-: You could pick and choose packages brought in by, for example, gnome-desktop-environment |
| 20:01.18 | Wyzard | I'm trying to use a shell feature (the (( )) notation for arithmetic conditional expressions) that "bash --posix" supports but dash doesn't |
| 20:01.20 | Roland- | I like xfce but I need to set that theme to work |
| 20:01.39 | jonaskoelker | Wyzard: that may be a bash --posix bug ? |
| 20:01.41 | Roland- | as far as I know is a gyk theme |
| 20:01.45 | Roland- | gtk |
| 20:01.46 | \amethyst | Wyzard: that's not Posix |
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| 20:02.03 | \amethyst | Wyzard: for Posix you'll need to use [ "$((expression))" -ne 0 ] |
| 20:02.16 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 20:02.19 | Wyzard | thanks |
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| 20:02.23 | Roland- | can I do gtk themes in xfce ? |
| 20:02.28 | simonrvn | a "gnome theme" is a gtk theme... |
| 20:02.32 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:02.34 | \amethyst | Wyzard: bash --posix doesn't disable all non-Posix features, only the incompatible ones |
| 20:02.49 | Roland- | well can I do gnome themes then |
| 20:02.59 | simonrvn | only difference being a "gnome theme" includes stuff for metacity |
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| 20:03.17 | \amethyst | simonrvn: and icons? |
| 20:03.27 | jonaskoelker | ... and the aqueduct! |
| 20:03.31 | \amethyst | simonrvn: or is that considered part of the gtk theme? |
| 20:03.33 | simonrvn | xfce can handle the icons fine |
| 20:03.43 | simonrvn | 'icon theme' ;) |
| 20:03.45 | Roland- | no I mean the theme |
| 20:03.48 | Roland- | not icons |
| 20:03.54 | Wyzard | \amethyst: yeah, and that's why I was wondering -- the bash documentation doesn't say that construct is a bash extension, but doesn't say it's POSIX either |
| 20:04.04 | Roland- | with widgets and stuff |
| 20:04.07 | \amethyst | Wyzard: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/xcu_chap02.html#tag_02 |
| 20:04.14 | jonaskoelker | ah, the gtk engine |
| 20:04.16 | \amethyst | Wyzard: there's the doc on Posix shell syntax |
| 20:04.18 | simonrvn | application, or controls theme, like gnome calls it |
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| 20:04.25 | Wyzard | thanks |
| 20:04.32 | \amethyst | Wyzard: (()) isn't entirely bash-specific; it's also in ksh93 |
| 20:04.33 | Jemt | Hi again. What do I do if I can't switch to the consoles (ALT+Fx) ? Using Lenny |
| 20:04.36 | Roland- | pls take a look at images.google.com |
| 20:04.39 | Roland- | search nimbus |
| 20:04.46 | Roland- | opensolaris created/uses it |
| 20:04.51 | Roland- | it look great |
| 20:04.55 | Roland- | looks |
| 20:04.56 | Wyzard | Is there a preference between the [ ] and [[ ]] forms of conditional, btw? |
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| 20:05.00 | simonrvn | Jemt: ctrl-alt from X |
| 20:05.03 | \amethyst | Wyzard: [[ isn't posix |
| 20:05.08 | simonrvn | [[ ]] bashism |
| 20:05.15 | Wyzard | oh, that too |
| 20:05.16 | \amethyst | bash + ksh93 |
| 20:05.17 | Jemt | simonrvn, Yes, of course. That's what I did :) |
| 20:05.19 | Jemt | Not working |
| 20:05.23 | Wyzard | hmm, the POSIX shell is more limited than I'd thought :-) |
| 20:05.34 | ringo999_ | whats a good way to test if a mic works? |
| 20:05.40 | abrotman | scream at it |
| 20:05.45 | \amethyst | Posix allows [[ to be a keyword, but doesn't define what it means |
| 20:05.55 | simonrvn | Jemt: hrmf, do you have novtswitch in xorg.conf maybe? |
| 20:06.41 | Jemt | simonrvn: No. xorg is automatically configured (Lenny = xorg 7.3). But maybe I should specify it as disabled - default might be = on |
| 20:07.01 | simonrvn | yeh, i do. just in case. |
| 20:07.14 | xingu | Jemt: chvt |
| 20:07.19 | Jemt | chvt ? |
| 20:07.21 | xingu | Jemt: also, gconf-editor, search for numlock, twiddle "remember_numlock_state" |
| 20:07.25 | Wyzard | \amethyst: got my script working -- thanks for the help |
| 20:07.29 | simonrvn | default is false |
| 20:07.40 | simonrvn | chvt from x ? o_O |
| 20:08.00 | ringo999_ | abrotman: i mean like an app recording meter? |
| 20:08.07 | Roland- | any 64bit flash player available? some macromedia player not that gnash crap |
| 20:08.12 | simonrvn | has never seen that work |
| 20:08.16 | abrotman | gnash and swfdec |
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| 20:08.22 | abrotman | ringo999_: gnome? kde? |
| 20:08.27 | Roland- | damn |
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| 20:08.33 | scorphus | I'm having bad times trying to generate a ssl certificate for apache2, I've already been playing with make-ssl-cert with no luck, any tips? |
| 20:08.45 | abrotman | what's wrong with make-ssl-cert ? |
| 20:08.46 | xingu | simonrvn: I've used it in the past when a system is otherwised hosed |
| 20:08.47 | scorphus | such a simple thing made so hard... |
| 20:08.52 | Jemt | xingu: "Remember numlock state" was already enabled. I disabled another entry called "numlock_on" |
| 20:08.57 | Wyzard | Roland-: The short answer is that 64-bit Macromedia Flash does not exist |
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| 20:09.06 | scorphus | make-ssl-cert still generates an invalid cert |
| 20:09.10 | xingu | Jemt: the idea is to disable it, it looks like a buggy misfeature |
| 20:09.13 | Wyzard | Roland-: The slightly longer answer is that they have a beta available, as of a few days ago |
| 20:09.19 | xingu | Jemt: are you using ubuntu by any chance? |
| 20:09.24 | abrotman | scorphus: invalid how? |
| 20:09.28 | Jemt | xingu, Oh, I see |
| 20:09.35 | Jemt | No, Debian Lenny :) |
| 20:09.41 | Roland- | beta us fine |
| 20:09.43 | xingu | hmm, that's not good |
| 20:09.44 | Roland- | is fine |
| 20:09.46 | Wyzard | Roland-: but it's also possible to use the 32-bit plugin via nspluginwrapper, and Debian's amd64 flashplugin-nonfree package does exactly that |
| 20:09.49 | Roland- | my debian is beta anyway |
| 20:09.49 | ringo999_ | abrotman: xfce |
| 20:09.58 | Wyzard | Roland-: I'd suggest using the packaged flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:09.58 | scorphus | abrotman, (Error code: sec_error_ca_cert_invalid) |
| 20:10.09 | Jemt | Ok, let me just try restarting X to see if numlock is disabled now. BRB :) |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | scorphus: i've used make-ssl-cert many times for apache2 |
| 20:10.23 | abrotman | ringo999_: audacity should work .. |
| 20:10.28 | simonrvn | xingu: amazing |
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| 20:10.42 | xingu | abrotman: heads up, google tells me that the ubuntu guys have tripped over this numlock state vs gnome thing in spades; jemt's about to try what seems to be the cargo cult solution which is disable the state tracking |
| 20:10.43 | Roland- | wuzard is that package in some other apt source? |
| 20:10.54 | simonrvn | sorry for the lag, irssi wasn't responding |
| 20:10.56 | Wyzard | Roland-: sorry, I was mistaken, the recent release from Adobe is alpha, not beta |
| 20:11.08 | abrotman | xingu: ask him for his kernel when he gets back i guess |
| 20:11.10 | Wyzard | Roland-: flash-plugin-nonfree is in non-free (you may need to add it to your sources.list) |
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| 20:11.11 | xingu | abrotman: if this is what it is and it's now in lenny too it's going to become as infamous as the xfonts-fixed thing |
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| 20:12.02 | Wyzard | Roland-: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10097931-92.html btw |
| 20:12.24 | abrotman | xingu: yay! .. wait .. boo! |
| 20:12.42 | mxktmdude | hi everyone, im trying to pin a package so i can upgrade to php4, however apt keeps wanting to remove my package, anyone able to help? |
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| 20:13.10 | Jemt | Woho! Numlock disabled. Thanks, xingu |
| 20:13.21 | abrotman | mxktmdude: you mean php5 .. right ? |
| 20:13.57 | xingu | Jemt: you may find numlockx useful too - maybe. |
| 20:13.59 | Wyzard | upgrade *to* php4? |
| 20:14.10 | dvs | php5 is the current version |
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| 20:14.25 | Jemt | I don't need numlock functionality at all :) |
| 20:14.28 | mxktmdude | abrotman, oops! yes sorry, upgrade to php5 |
| 20:14.47 | abrotman | mxktmdude: is there an error ? |
| 20:15.02 | dvs | mxktmdude: uninstall what package/ |
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| 20:15.45 | mxktmdude | ive created /etc/apt/preferences like so: http://www.pastebin.ca/1265290 however apt-get install php5 wants to remove vhcs packages |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | mxktmdude: paste your sources.list and apt-cache policy vhcs |
| 20:16.44 | mxktmdude | k, give me a second |
| 20:17.31 | dvs | I can't find vhcs packages in packages.debian.org |
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| 20:18.47 | mxktmdude | sources: http://www.pastebin.ca/1265292 |
| 20:18.58 | mxktmdude | policy: http://www.pastebin.ca/1265294 |
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| 20:19.33 | abrotman | mxktmdude: FWIW .. you shouldn't mix stable/etch .. point at one or the other |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | votes etch |
| 20:19.44 | scorphus | abrotman, how does make-ssl-cert behaves after asking the host name? does it outputs anything to the console? I wonder if it is working.. |
| 20:19.49 | abrotman | mxktmdude: and the output of `aptitude install php5` ? |
| 20:20.02 | abrotman | scorphus: you may need more entropy |
| 20:20.34 | ringo999_ | abrotman: i run debian on a macbook. looks like the mic dont work... |
| 20:20.37 | mxktmdude | some reason i thought stable was etch |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | ringo999_: it should |
| 20:21.07 | abrotman | mxktmdude: it is .. but you should use the same reference in all your sources |
| 20:21.08 | pipeline | mxktmdude: because it is |
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| 20:21.11 | pipeline | mxktmdude: lenny is testing |
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| 20:21.43 | scorphus | abrotman, it looks like it is aborting... it does not show the creation message, nor show anything like "generating certificate... etc..." just puts the cursor back at the console prompt |
| 20:21.48 | mxktmdude | oh ok, so i should just replace etch with stable |
| 20:22.17 | abrotman | i recommend etch, not stable |
| 20:22.28 | dvs | mxktmdude: no, replace stable with etch |
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| 20:23.02 | mxktmdude | abrotman, aptitude output: http://www.pastebin.ca/1265296 |
| 20:23.16 | mxktmdude | ok, i'll update my sources list |
| 20:23.52 | abrotman | mxktmdude: you're going to have to find new vhcs packages it appears |
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| 20:24.08 | wald0 | how i can download a package from http://incoming.debian.org ? |
| 20:24.15 | scorphus | IamSOG, ve done it numerous times... this pisses me off |
| 20:24.16 | abrotman | mxktmdude: paste the output of `apt-cache show vhcs vhcs-gui vhcs-gui-pma` |
| 20:24.19 | abrotman | wald0: wget |
| 20:24.36 | scorphus | IamSOG, sorry. |
| 20:24.38 | arezey | how much of kde4 is in the debian lenny repository? i'm seeing a few entries and some others not, and am getting a little confused. |
| 20:24.47 | mxktmdude | development for it has stopped awhile ago.. is there no way i can upgrade to php5 and keep it? vhcs is my hosting control panel |
| 20:25.26 | mhymn_ | arezey: /j #debian-kde |
| 20:25.30 | dvs | mxktmdude: no, the vhcs packages specifically ask for php4 |
| 20:25.41 | arezey | mhymn_, ok thanks |
| 20:25.49 | mhymn_ | np |
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| 20:26.03 | mxktmdude | abrotman, apt-cache show: http://www.pastebin.ca/1265301 |
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| 20:26.43 | scorphus | make-ssl-cert is buggy, period |
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| 20:26.49 | abrotman | mxktmdude: dvs is right .. those vhcs packages are hardcoded for php4 |
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| 20:26.58 | mxktmdude | gah |
| 20:27.02 | abrotman | scorphus: i've used it tons of times |
| 20:27.11 | dvs | guzzles some beer |
| 20:27.18 | scorphus | I'm on sid, btw |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | scorphus: maybe try a different template |
| 20:27.32 | scorphus | it just hangs |
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| 20:27.52 | roland- | hello, pls help I get no second tty for some reasons |
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| 20:27.57 | roland- | alt f2 doesnt work |
| 20:28.08 | mxktmdude | thanks for the help guys, i guess i should move to a new control panel before upgrading any further |
| 20:28.14 | roland- | if I to /sbin/gettt bla bla tty2 works |
| 20:28.21 | wald0 | abrotman: how i can know the address then ? where i can browse it ? i want to download the package rtl8781se found here: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/rtl8187se_1023.0928.2008.html#binary-rtl8187se-source-file-listing |
| 20:28.23 | abrotman | mxktmdude: or find new vhcs packages |
| 20:28.36 | abrotman | wald0: browse incoming.debian.org |
| 20:28.48 | \amethyst | roland-: what does runlevel say? |
| 20:29.04 | roland- | dunno I;m in runlevel5 |
| 20:29.27 | \amethyst | roland-: verify that /sbin/runlevel prints N 5 |
| 20:29.50 | roland- | unknown |
| 20:29.51 | roland- | ... |
| 20:30.03 | wald0 | abrotman: mmh, maybe is a bug then ? it is not listed on that page |
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| 20:31.12 | uski | hi, my cups configuration is broken, how can I regenerate it from scratch? i've tried moving the /etc/cups folder and running dpkg-reconfigure cups, but it did not help |
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| 20:31.26 | roland- | I think I know |
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| 20:31.38 | roland- | can oebody pls say whuch packages contains /etc/hwclock.sh ? |
| 20:31.40 | abrotman | wald0: that's a week old .. should be in unstable i'd think |
| 20:31.46 | abrotman | !tell roland- about search |
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| 20:32.13 | abrotman | wald0: or it hasn't processed from NEW yet |
| 20:32.38 | roland- | I have no gui interface im on a prompt pls have mercy |
| 20:32.55 | abrotman | wald0: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 20:33.00 | abrotman | !tell roland- about apt-file |
| 20:33.22 | abrotman | wald0: it's stuck in NEW |
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| 20:33.48 | roland- | abrotman: pls tell me the package name I only have one tty I have to close this one to search and etc |
| 20:34.07 | wald0 | abrotman: ok so... i can't download it ? i just need to wait then ? |
| 20:34.07 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 20:34.14 | abrotman | wald0: right .. have to wait |
| 20:34.17 | wald0 | ok, thx |
| 20:34.24 | Jemt | How do I change the default value of novtswitch for Xorg in Debian? It seems to be a command line option, but I would prefer if it was possible to specify it in xorg.conf |
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| 20:36.42 | simonrvn | Jemt: man xorg.conf |
| 20:36.43 | javanero | good lord ... 890 people |
| 20:36.54 | abrotman | good debian! |
| 20:36.55 | dvs | javanero: that's typical |
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| 20:37.07 | javanero | That's a nice number |
| 20:37.13 | Jemt | simonrvn, it is not documentet in the man pages |
| 20:37.16 | dvs | abrotman: or debian is not user-friendly. ;-) |
| 20:37.22 | abrotman | hey! |
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| 20:37.24 | simonrvn | Jemt: yes it is |
| 20:37.31 | zmitya | hi all |
| 20:37.32 | Jemt | Hm, I'll check again |
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| 20:37.44 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.45 | Jemt | simonrvn, Did I mention I'm using Lenny ? |
| 20:37.49 | Jemt | Oh |
| 20:37.51 | simonrvn | so? |
| 20:37.52 | zmitya | guys, I have a 64bit etch and when I do ldd I get this: http://paste.debian.net/22106/ |
| 20:37.53 | Jemt | I searched "novtswitch" |
| 20:38.03 | Jemt | simonrvn, Maybe it was invalid in Lenny :) |
| 20:38.09 | simonrvn | /Switch ;) |
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| 20:38.35 | simonrvn | sub-string search ;) |
| 20:38.40 | lard-Vader | why would grub-probe fail when the device.map is correct? |
| 20:38.45 | Jemt | simonrvn, yea :) |
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| 20:39.07 | uski | zmitya, what if you run ldd with no args? |
| 20:39.24 | zmitya | uski: ldd: missing file arguments |
| 20:39.33 | uski | ok |
| 20:39.40 | zmitya | uski: that httpd is a compiled one |
| 20:39.45 | zmitya | otherwise works well |
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| 20:39.59 | uski | zmitya, i don't know what's happening, sorry |
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| 20:39.59 | zmitya | ldd to /bin/bash works well too |
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| 20:40.05 | Jemt | Hm, "DontVTSwitch" is Off by default. Then why can't I switch to the terminal >.< |
| 20:40.41 | ringo999 | neither wicd nor wifi-radar work for me, any other? |
| 20:40.49 | illio | Hey there.. I'm trying to get SSL working on my Debian etch server.. however the apache2-ssl-certificate script is apparently not on the system? perhaps a change since the release of apache2-common?.. what to do now? |
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| 20:41.34 | abrotman | zmitya: try it on a standard binary .. like "ldd `which bash`" |
| 20:41.38 | simonrvn | Jemt: do you happen to have a kbd that requires you to switch something on to use the FXX keys? |
| 20:41.48 | abrotman | illio: make-ssl-cert |
| 20:41.53 | zmitya | abrotman: that works |
| 20:42.05 | illio | abrotman, okay .. same script, new name? |
| 20:42.10 | abrotman | different script |
| 20:42.17 | abrotman | zmitya: sounds like your apache binary isn't working |
| 20:42.18 | uski | i believe that ldd actually runs the binary with argc=0, and it might not work with old binaries (i've read that in ldd's man page a few days ago) |
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| 20:42.25 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:42.30 | zmitya | abrotman: httpd runs well |
| 20:42.30 | uski | zmitya, when did you compile that binary? |
| 20:42.40 | Jemt | simonrvn, Not to my knowledge, no |
| 20:42.40 | abrotman | zmitya: i meant with ldd |
| 20:42.45 | uski | zmitya, ldd is not a static tool and it requires support from the binary |
| 20:42.52 | eptalon | how good is support for NTFS (reading) in current testing? |
| 20:43.16 | illio | abrotman, don't have that either?.. hmm |
| 20:43.31 | zmitya | uski: that httpd is not a static binary, thats the problem :( |
| 20:43.35 | abrotman | you might have to install it |
| 20:43.52 | uski | zmitya, i understand this, but i mean that ldd is not supposed to work with all binaries |
| 20:43.56 | abrotman | zmitya: you mean it's not dynamically linked ? |
| 20:44.04 | uski | the binaries need to be compiled so that ldd can "analyze" them |
| 20:44.04 | illio | abrotman, yeah I guessed that too, but it's apparently not available through the sources.. is it a part of some other package? |
| 20:44.13 | abrotman | zmitya: file /usr/local/apache_proxy/bin/httpd ... says what ? |
| 20:44.25 | zmitya | abrotman: no, it _is_ dynamically linked it should work with ldd |
| 20:44.31 | zmitya | uski: how is that possible ? |
| 20:44.35 | abrotman | illio: ssl-cert package |
| 20:44.36 | Jemt | simonrvn, Ah, I mis-read your question. No, the answer is plain and simple no. It's an ordinary laptop keyboard - no fancy functions |
| 20:44.44 | illio | abrotman, okay.. thanks |
| 20:44.45 | zmitya | uski: I mean ldd does not work with all binaries ? |
| 20:44.53 | simonrvn | Jemt: not even an Fn key? |
| 20:44.59 | uski | zmitya, read ldd's man page |
| 20:45.08 | dvs | simonrvn: don't swear! ;-) |
| 20:45.17 | zmitya | abrotman: /usr/local/apache_proxy/bin/httpd: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, not stripped |
| 20:45.25 | simonrvn | dvs: hehe |
| 20:45.27 | illio | abrotman, that did the trick.. thanks |
| 20:45.31 | Jemt | simonrvn, I do have an fn key (which dosn't work either at the moment). Something is pretty odd here |
| 20:45.34 | abrotman | zmitya: file `which file` |
| 20:45.57 | zmitya | abrotman: /usr/bin/file: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 20:46.03 | uski | hmm |
| 20:46.42 | zmitya | uski: should work I think |
| 20:47.02 | uski | cp /usr/local/apache_proxy/bin/httpd /tmp/fx && strip /tmp/fx && ldd /tmp/fx && rm /tmp/fx |
| 20:47.11 | uski | i doubt it will help but it's worth trying |
| 20:47.24 | zmitya | apache is working well, just ldd can't show the linked libs somehow :((( |
| 20:47.29 | zmitya | uski: trying that |
| 20:47.37 | arezey | what's the point in copying and stripping and ldd:ing a file if you delete it immediatly afterwards? |
| 20:47.45 | simonrvn | zmitya: what's the perms on the binary? |
| 20:47.48 | uski | arezey, what do you think? |
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| 20:48.06 | arezey | eh, checking that can it be stripped and ldd:d? |
| 20:48.08 | uski | just seeing ldd's output if the file is stripped, and comparing that output to the non stripped version - should be the same, but... |
| 20:48.11 | uski | :) |
| 20:48.13 | zmitya | simonrvn: 755, no extra flags |
| 20:48.16 | arezey | oh. |
| 20:48.21 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:48.31 | arezey | erm.. what's ldd anyway? :D |
| 20:48.39 | simonrvn | man it |
| 20:48.43 | arezey | i thought it was a linker.. |
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| 20:48.53 | arezey | but.. why the heck would you link a file with nothing.. |
| 20:48.53 | zmitya | uski: same with the stripped binary |
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| 20:48.58 | arezey | whacks himself. |
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| 20:49.20 | uski | zmitya, did you compile that file, and did you do so on a box which is "safe" ? |
| 20:49.32 | uski | no virus, no rootkit, no weird stuff? |
| 20:49.33 | zmitya | arezey: I'm chrooting my apache, that is why i need the linked libs |
| 20:49.40 | arezey | oh. |
| 20:49.57 | zmitya | uski: sure :) |
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| 20:50.36 | abrotman | zmitya: which versoin of debian is this? |
| 20:50.37 | onetinsoldier | is there a virus checker for available for linux? |
| 20:50.43 | abrotman | clamav |
| 20:50.44 | arezey | onetinsoldier, panda. |
| 20:50.57 | zmitya | abrotman: it is a fresh 64bit etch |
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| 20:51.16 | zmitya | kernel: 2.6.24.5-4-grsec |
| 20:51.19 | abrotman | zmitya: what's wrong with the apache in etch ? |
| 20:51.27 | onetinsoldier | abrotman & arezey - thanks, i will have a look! |
| 20:51.34 | zmitya | I just saw grsec logs, but does not say anything |
| 20:51.41 | uski | zmitya, objdump -x /path/to/httpd | grep NEEDED |
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| 20:52.52 | uski | this does not seem to show everything, but objdump should allow you to see if the binary is correctly constructed (and if it has not been altered....) |
| 20:52.56 | zmitya | uski: http://paste.debian.net/22107/ |
| 20:53.45 | zmitya | abrotman: my customer needs it to be compiled |
| 20:53.56 | abrotman | why? that doesn't make sense |
| 20:54.24 | zmitya | uski: well, this solution is good for me I think :) but I have to rewrite my mkjail.sh script |
| 20:54.33 | uski | it will not show every dependency |
| 20:54.57 | uski | as i said, ldd needs to run the binary to see what it imports (from my understanding), whereas objdump is a "static" tool, i.e. it does a static analysis on the binary |
| 20:55.02 | uski | so they do not produce the same result |
| 20:55.03 | anddam | how can I check dependency of a deb file? |
| 20:55.19 | dvs | anddam: /msg dpkg depends |
| 20:55.21 | zmitya | abrotman: they are buildong an apache module, that is why do they need it to be compiled |
| 20:55.46 | abrotman | anddam: or dpkg -I if it's on your file system already |
| 20:56.12 | zmitya | uski: hmm so do you say that this binary is statically linked ? |
| 20:56.22 | anddam | abrotman: yes, it is only on my fs |
| 20:56.30 | uski | zmitya, no |
| 20:56.41 | uski | as the file comma said, it's dyniamically linked |
| 20:56.43 | uski | command* |
| 20:56.44 | zmitya | uski: because that would be weird :) |
| 20:57.06 | zmitya | uski: yes and I compiled it and I did not compile with --static :) |
| 20:57.11 | uski | zmitya, i just mean that ldd and objdump -x will not produce the same results, and objdump -x is not enough to know which libraries are needed by a given binary |
| 20:57.29 | Wyzard | zmitya: Why does building an Apache module module require that Apache itself be manually compiled? |
| 20:57.40 | uski | Wyzard, good question |
| 20:57.41 | Wyzard | zmitya: A module is just a .so that the existing binary can load |
| 20:57.53 | Rockj | anyone using wordpress package in debian lenny and having issues with adding link categories? |
| 20:58.14 | simonrvn | you don't; you just need apxs{2} |
| 20:58.15 | zmitya | Wyzard: as I know it is not a .so module for apache |
| 20:58.27 | simonrvn | and the required headers, of course |
| 20:58.29 | Wyzard | zmitya: If you need headers to compile modules against the packaged apache, take a look at the apache2-prefork-dev and apache2-threaded-dev packages |
| 20:58.34 | zmitya | Wyzard: but I'm not a coding expert, I'm just doing what they need |
| 20:58.35 | Wyzard | zmitya: All Apache modules are .so |
| 20:58.40 | anddam | abrotman: will dpkg -i install dependencies too? |
| 20:58.49 | zmitya | Wyzard: ok, this is a patch for apache |
| 20:58.51 | xingu | nb, ldd's a shellscript these days |
| 20:58.57 | abrotman | anddam: dpkg -i file.deb && aptitude -f install |
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| 20:59.41 | zmitya | pfffffff |
| 20:59.44 | anddam | abrotman: dpkg has already filed, the point in running aptitude is that now the system knows about the package, right? |
| 20:59.48 | zmitya | guys, I just don't have /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 20:59.59 | zmitya | that is the problem with ldd |
| 21:00.03 | abrotman | anddam: to install the deps |
| 21:00.10 | uski | well |
| 21:00.30 | anddam | abrotman: I mean isn't dpkg -i file.deb supposed to fail? |
| 21:00.31 | uski | zmitya, it's not supposed to happen, i mean, if httpd works well and if ldd works well then ldd should not complain about taht file missing |
| 21:00.33 | valdyn | zmitya: why would you need that? |
| 21:00.40 | abrotman | anddam: it kind of will |
| 21:00.41 | valdyn | zmitya: youre not on a 64-bit system? |
| 21:00.42 | uski | zmitya, because it should not be needed |
| 21:00.48 | xingu | valdyn: less `which ldd` |
| 21:00.50 | zmitya | I have /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 21:00.53 | anddam | abrotman: so && aptitude shouldn't run |
| 21:00.58 | zmitya | because it is a 64bit debian |
| 21:01.10 | fr00g | hi, how can i obtain the passphrase for my root partition. i have read, that it should be possible when i play with initramfs. i have just instaled lenny 5.0 with full encryption. i use german keymap. but anyhow i am pretty sure, that the passphrase , that i type by lukepromt is correct. the system refuses to lock out the partition case it claims, that the pass is wrong. |
| 21:01.13 | abrotman | anddam: then run it on its own |
| 21:01.24 | zmitya | valdyn: check this, this is the original problem: http://paste.debian.net/22106 |
| 21:01.45 | Wyzard | fr00g: You can't recover the passphrase from a LUKS-encrypted partition |
| 21:01.47 | zmitya | ok, but why does ldd need it ? |
| 21:01.51 | valdyn | zmitya: you installed 32-bit apache on your 64-bit system |
| 21:02.03 | zmitya | valdyn: no, I have compiled it |
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| 21:02.30 | zmitya | valdyn: /tmp/httpd: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 21:02.37 | valdyn | zmitya: ok |
| 21:02.43 | pingouin_ | does debian etch or lenny support new intel i7 cpu and motherboard chipset ? |
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| 21:02.57 | zmitya | pingouin_: no |
| 21:03.06 | anddam | abrotman: just trying to figure your hint |
| 21:03.25 | uski | zmitya, why "no"? |
| 21:03.29 | pingouin_ | zmitya: rought but clear ;) thanks |
| 21:03.36 | uski | pingouin_, what do you mean by "support"? |
| 21:03.36 | anddam | abrotman: the dpkg -i fails but let the system knows about the package, then apt handles dependencies |
| 21:03.38 | uski | it should work |
| 21:03.56 | uski | just as you can run i386 code on an intel core, you should be able to run i386 code on an i7 |
| 21:04.00 | zmitya | pingouin_: sure, it will support :) |
| 21:04.01 | uski | i don't see the problem |
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| 21:04.11 | uski | but it will not use the latest isntructions and other optimizations |
| 21:04.12 | uski | but it will work |
| 21:04.30 | pingouin_ | uski: i go to change my cpu mobo , will i go to trouble if i get i7 cpu on motherboard that get it if i install a etch debian ? |
| 21:04.32 | valdyn | zmitya: you should still try this for /usr/local/apache_proxy/bin/httpd |
| 21:04.38 | valdyn | zmitya: just in case... |
| 21:05.00 | zmitya | valdyn: try what ? |
| 21:05.08 | valdyn | zmitya: file /usr/local/apache_proxy/bin/httpd |
| 21:05.10 | zmitya | valdyn: to run ? |
| 21:05.10 | uski | pingouin_, it's hard to answer this question, as with all systems and all OSes - you can't guarantee that a given OS will work _perfectly_ with a given system |
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| 21:06.06 | pingouin_ | uski: ok i think it's best to wait several month or go for a classic quad core than are obviously supported |
| 21:06.10 | pingouin_ | thanks for clues |
| 21:06.13 | zmitya | valdyn: : /usr/local/apache_proxy/bin/httpd: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, not stripped |
| 21:06.18 | valdyn | pingouin_: the cpu is not the issue |
| 21:06.28 | abrotman | pingouin_: that depends on the mobo, not the CPU |
| 21:06.36 | Tramp | fr00g: if you suspect a keymap-problem try swapping z and y in your passphrase (if you have special characters in it, it gets mor tricky) |
| 21:06.40 | uski | pingouin_, generally speaking i think it is a pure waste of money to buy the latest of the latest hardware, unless you really need it |
| 21:07.02 | valdyn | pingouin_: etch with a recent kernel will be ok |
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| 21:07.30 | pingouin_ | ok, many thanks to all for advices |
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| 21:07.44 | zmitya | so guys, what do you think ? is it a bug in the ldd script ? |
| 21:07.55 | valdyn | zmitya: yes |
| 21:08.04 | valdyn | zmitya: i would try installing ia32-libs |
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| 21:08.37 | a-9 | I guet this while booting Debian Lenny: "starting nfs common utilities statd: failed" Any idea ? |
| 21:08.40 | anddam | is this good ? Current status: 0 broken [-1]. |
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| 21:09.10 | valdyn | zmitya: err, i think just libc6-i386 should do it |
| 21:09.10 | uski | zmitya, try filing a bug report against ldd (where? i don't know :/) |
| 21:09.18 | uski | even if it's not a bug, people who know ldd will take a look at it |
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| 21:10.23 | Tramp | anddam: yes. You had one broken package, which now is fixed (afaik) |
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| 21:11.01 | olspookishmagus | hello... anyone faced troubles with corrupted initramfs? with dead virtual consoles? |
| 21:11.12 | anddam | what a relief |
| 21:11.27 | zmitya | valdyn: well, I just need it for my mkchrot.sh script, I can modofy it to use ubjdump -x as uski suggested |
| 21:11.33 | uski | zmitya, no |
| 21:11.34 | uski | it will not work |
| 21:11.41 | zmitya | *objdump |
| 21:11.44 | uski | as i said, the output of objdump -x is not as complete as the output of ldd |
| 21:11.47 | Xttor | [22:09:50] <Proline_17> tjejj ? |
| 21:11.47 | Xttor | [22:10:06] <fisk> skriv /quit fisk |
| 21:11.47 | Xttor | [22:10:33] <Proline_17> varför |
| 21:11.50 | zmitya | uski: what won't work ? |
| 21:11.52 | Xttor | Wrong channel |
| 21:11.53 | uski | you can try but it will probably not work |
| 21:12.00 | uski | --> as i said, the output of objdump -x is not as complete as the output of ldd |
| 21:12.48 | zmitya | uski: oh, ok, but better than nothing :) my mkchroot script copies the needed libs what it can "get" somehow |
| 21:12.54 | uski | yea |
| 21:13.00 | uski | try it :) |
| 21:13.06 | uski | and tell me if it works |
| 21:13.33 | zmitya | uski: it must work ! :D |
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| 21:13.58 | uski | we'll see |
| 21:14.00 | uski | :) |
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| 21:15.50 | g00se | What's the best way in Etch to get non-kernel source packages? dpkg? |
| 21:16.04 | CoolCold | apt-get source packagename ? |
| 21:16.06 | \amethyst | apt-get source <packagename> |
| 21:16.10 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 21:16.29 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:17.24 | Iridos | we learn, people who skip the <>'s type faster |
| 21:17.46 | uski | :D |
| 21:17.49 | g00se | Thanks. I wonder if, since i use aptitude, that's the bast way? |
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| 21:18.43 | eptalon | I have a RAID5 (softraid) setup on debian testing; I use 4 identical disks (300GB), one failed; I now re-added and it tells me it take like 4700min to rebuild? - Is this kinda like normal? |
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| 21:20.05 | Iridos | 300000/4700=63.82978/minute |
| 21:20.18 | Iridos | MB/minute, that is |
| 21:20.19 | zmitya | eptalon: what is the speed of rebuilding ? what does /proc/mdadm say ? |
| 21:20.31 | olspookishmagus | my virtual terminal/consoles seem to be dead but the releven getty processes do exist... |
| 21:20.53 | eptalon | zmitya: speed rouglhy 1 Mbyte/sec |
| 21:21.00 | eptalon | 1.5% done |
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| 21:21.25 | scientes | sure your other drives dont have problems? |
| 21:21.29 | scientes | thats pretty slow |
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| 21:22.00 | eptalon | scientes: Its an old box, Pentium D.. |
| 21:22.03 | zmitya | eptalon: well, rebuilding a raid 5 is the slowest, but 1M/sec seems to be slow |
| 21:22.07 | scientes | ah |
| 21:22.09 | enouf | olspookishmagus: does /msg dpkg insert seem to be relevant? |
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| 21:22.38 | eptalon | zmitya: I am also copying over a 300 GB drive onto the array... |
| 21:22.47 | zmitya | eptalon: :D |
| 21:22.53 | eptalon | zmitya: external, USB2 |
| 21:23.06 | keanu | I has a problem. I've got a few files on my external hard drive that I can't delete due to weird symbols |
| 21:23.12 | eptalon | zmitya: And listening to music from that array. |
| 21:23.28 | zmitya | eptalon: lol |
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| 21:23.31 | keanu | 'rm path/to/bad.file' |
| 21:23.33 | enouf | eptalon: you can change the rebuilding speed .. a setting in /proc/ or /sys .. i forget which |
| 21:23.39 | keanu | 'rm path/to/bad.file' causes it to say 'no such file or directory' |
| 21:23.43 | zmitya | eptalon: you should run iozone too :) |
| 21:23.49 | eptalon | enouf: Is this advisable? |
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| 21:24.15 | keanu | 'rm -r path/to' causes the same error, and 'rm -rf path/to' says that the directory isn't empty |
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| 21:24.33 | olspookishmagus | enouf: nope, I can't even seen to get signal on my monitor while booting |
| 21:24.47 | olspookishmagus | enouf: nope, I can't even seen to get signal on my monitor while switching* to them with Alt-Ctrl-F<n> |
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| 21:24.59 | enouf | eptalon: i believe it's ok .. however check more into it .. i believe the slowness is just set that way as default - but i don't want to ruin your array - however, i know others have tweaked it without issue |
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| 21:25.13 | keanu | any ideas on how to delete those files? |
| 21:26.04 | Iridos | keanu, it's probably just a problem of quoting/unusual characters try things like rm *textpart* or tab-autocompletion - also ls -b will show you octal escapes for nongraphic characters |
| 21:26.18 | eptalon | enouf: Using max. available idle bandwidth, but no more than (200MB)/sec... |
| 21:26.23 | keanu | Iridos, tried tab completion along with wildcards (separately) |
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| 21:27.12 | eptalon | speed increased, now getting 4.5M/sec |
| 21:27.48 | keanu | Iridos, any other ideas? |
| 21:27.51 | zmitya | eptalon: were you serious when you mentioned that you also copy files to that array ? :) |
| 21:28.00 | eptalon | zmitya: I was. |
| 21:28.16 | eptalon | zmitya: thats one of the reasons for using RAID.. |
| 21:28.26 | Iridos | keanu, show the output of ls -lb for that file |
| 21:29.14 | zmitya | eptalon: yes, but rebuilding raid5 needs to read _all_ of the live disks |
| 21:29.30 | keanu | Iridos, # ls -lb |
| 21:29.30 | keanu | total 0 |
| 21:29.30 | keanu | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? broken-file\303\245-stripped-regular-chars.txt |
| 21:29.46 | eptalon | zmitya: yes. read 3, write one. |
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| 21:30.17 | eptalon | zmitya: 19% system cpu load. |
| 21:30.21 | abrotman | keanu: looks like file system problems .. fsck the filesystem |
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| 21:30.27 | keanu | k |
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| 21:30.38 | zmitya | eptalon: seems good |
| 21:30.51 | eptalon | zmitya: 10% copying, 10% rebuilding. |
| 21:31.17 | eptalon | about 40% waiting. |
| 21:31.24 | eptalon | SATA-II sux. |
| 21:31.37 | Wyzard | SATA doesn't really have anything to do with it |
| 21:31.43 | Wyzard | The disk is the bottleneck, not the interface |
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| 21:33.27 | eptalon | zmitya: stopped the copying, speed went up to like 57MB/sec. |
| 21:33.36 | Iridos | huh, how long does it normally take from an ITP to an included package |
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| 21:33.57 | keanu | abrotman, fsck.ext3: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:33.57 | zmitya | eptalon: :) stop listening music too :) |
| 21:34.06 | keanu | lsof shows nothing, and it's not mounted |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | keanu: you have to do it when it's nt mounted |
| 21:34.14 | eptalon | zmitya: thats just reading. |
| 21:34.20 | abrotman | keanu: or do it on a reboot |
| 21:34.23 | keanu | k |
| 21:34.33 | zmitya | eptalon: reading takes io as well :) |
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| 21:35.15 | eptalon | zmitya: now between 65 and 70 |
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| 21:35.39 | zmitya | eptalon: you should say: SATA2 rulex :) |
| 21:35.41 | eptalon | zmitya: approx 1 hrs for rebuilding, thats what I rememver. |
| 21:35.55 | eptalon | zmitya: It does? |
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| 21:36.10 | sanjuro | Is there anyway to use special characters when sftp'ing in? I dont want to type a whole directory |
| 21:36.13 | zmitya | eptalon: it depends on your chipset :) |
| 21:36.20 | sanjuro | eg lcd /home/user/Folder* |
| 21:36.31 | sanjuro | or can i execute a move command remotely or something |
| 21:36.32 | Iridos | I mean is there any way to tell when libemf will make it into the repros? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=417538 |
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| 21:36.59 | Iridos | looks to me as if just someone has to say "it's ok"? |
| 21:38.19 | eptalon | zmitya: ICH7 |
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| 21:39.47 | eptalon | zmitya: A factor of 50 just because of a simple copying is no good.. |
| 21:40.10 | anddam | can I "filter" files being installed from a deb file? I'd like to append a string at binaries |
| 21:40.23 | Wyzard | eptalon: Linux RAID rebuild uses idle disk bandwidth only |
| 21:40.46 | eptalon | Wyzard: oh. |
| 21:40.49 | Wyzard | eptalon: It intentionally gives all other disk activity higher priority |
| 21:40.58 | keanu | now it's running :) |
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| 21:43.40 | Iridos | Wyzard, anyone ever told you you're good at shutting up people? :) |
| 21:43.53 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 21:45.00 | eptalon | Wyzard: Sounds feasible; though what a low pri process that guarantees (say 10MB bandwith)? |
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| 21:45.18 | Wyzard | eptalon: I'm not sure I understand that sentence |
| 21:45.28 | Wyzard | but the RAID rebuild does have a minimum bandwidth so it doesn't get completely starved out |
| 21:45.31 | Wyzard | It's fairly low though |
| 21:45.41 | Wyzard | don't remember offhand what it is |
| 21:45.56 | Wyzard | If you check your dmesg from when the rebuild started, it'll tell you |
| 21:46.09 | eptalon | Wyzard: If you give all other I/O priority, you have a problem of possible starvation... |
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| 21:46.48 | eptalon | Wyzard: According to the logs, the min guaranteed bw is 1 MB/sec. |
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| 21:47.32 | Wyzard | There may be a way to raise that, but I don't know how |
| 21:47.36 | Samuel-NotAFK | Iceweasel won't start and I get no terminal output. |
| 21:47.43 | Samuel-NotAFK | Debian Lenny. |
| 21:47.59 | Wyzard | Samuel-NotAFK: you just get your prompt back with no error message? |
| 21:48.14 | Samuel-NotAFK | Wyzard: Yes. |
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| 21:48.26 | abrotman | Samuel-NotAFK: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.old .. try again |
| 21:48.32 | Wyzard | Samuel-NotAFK: Check whether it's already running -- if you run it and there's already a copy running, it'll tell the existing process to open a new window, and then exit |
| 21:48.43 | eptalon | Samuel-NotAFK: Any iceweasel processes? |
| 21:48.46 | Samuel-NotAFK | Wyzard: there isn't. |
| 21:49.15 | Samuel-NotAFK | Abrotman: That did it, thanks. |
| 21:49.42 | samplr | is there a way to create a loopback sound device? I want to make a program think it's recording from the sound card, but it's really being sourced by a wav (or other file). I know there's something to do the oposite of this, but that doesn't help me |
| 21:49.56 | Wyzard | renaming .mozilla is more of a troubleshooting step, not really a good solution... that completely resets the browser back to defaults afaik |
| 21:50.19 | Samuel-NotAFK | Wyzard: I only just installed the OS. |
| 21:50.23 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 21:50.38 | JyZyXEL | is there a system that lets you boot to USB from CD? |
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| 21:52.30 | eptalon | So, what are the benefits of HW Raiid? |
| 21:52.36 | eptalon | faster rebuilds? |
| 21:52.59 | Iridos | you won't see how long it takes to rebuild and therefore don't have to worry about it |
| 21:53.31 | eptalon | Iridos: but if you switch off during rebuild the thing is still gone? |
| 21:53.41 | Wyzard | eptalon: less CPU load, and OS-independence |
| 21:53.53 | maligor | the big and expensive cards are cpu's in their own right |
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| 21:54.13 | Wyzard | and the cheap ones on consumer motherboards aren't really hardware RAID |
| 21:54.24 | maligor | I wouldn't be surprised if writes on hw raid were faster than sw raid also |
| 21:54.34 | eptalon | maligor: "expensive" is a relative term; I think 300-500 bucks will get you a full-fledged card, no? |
| 21:54.39 | maligor | but I guess it depends on the sata/pata controller |
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| 21:55.10 | uski | the problem with "expensive" cards is that if you ever need to do some data recovery then you are on your own because there is no standard format |
| 21:55.12 | maligor | epsilon, well, for a pc, that is expensive :P |
| 21:55.20 | uski | each manufacturer can store the data and the metadata the way he likes |
| 21:55.27 | maligor | for a server, it's a different matter |
| 21:55.32 | Samuel-NotAFK | £300-£500 is a RIPOFF for a PC |
| 21:55.52 | uski | for this reason i prefer to use ZFS with RAID-Z, i.e. software raid |
| 21:55.54 | Samuel-NotAFK | It'd literally double the price of the computer. |
| 21:55.56 | eptalon | uski: meaning you need two of these cards. |
| 21:56.05 | maligor | Samuel-NotAFK, well.. the more expensive cards are computers |
| 21:56.10 | RichiH | uski: zfs _with_ software raid? |
| 21:56.14 | eptalon | Samuel-NotAFK: I was talking USD |
| 21:56.15 | maligor | they just reside on a pci card |
| 21:56.24 | uski | RichiH, no, i mean ZFS as the software raid |
| 21:56.26 | Samuel-NotAFK | Eptalon: Still expensive. |
| 21:56.27 | uski | ;) |
| 21:56.31 | RichiH | uski: k |
| 21:56.35 | eptalon | RichiH: ..for linux? |
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| 21:56.42 | maligor | http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/support/raid/sas_raid/SAS-5805/ |
| 21:56.45 | maligor | like that :P |
| 21:56.51 | uski | RichiH, you were right to correct me, i wasn't clear and ZFS over software raid is plain stupid |
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| 21:57.33 | yonit | how do I check eth0 connection speed? |
| 21:58.00 | maligor | ethtool will show the negtiated speed |
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| 21:58.08 | maligor | err.. negotiated |
| 21:58.11 | r121 | Anybody have any idea why my new LCD monitor displays only yellow when plugged into the digital port on my (old) nvidia card, but just fine when plugged into the analog? |
| 21:58.56 | sgh | how do I associate with an AP? |
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| 22:00.05 | RichiH | eptalon: no, that will still take a year or five |
| 22:00.14 | RichiH | uski: it is :) |
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| 22:00.49 | SparFux | My debian unstable freezes continuously. What can I do to track down the problem? |
| 22:00.55 | abrotman | r121: ##hardware |
| 22:01.08 | uski | SparFux, does the keyboard leds blink when that happens? |
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| 22:01.18 | SparFux | No. |
| 22:01.35 | SparFux | The whole system is dead. With the older Xorg it was possible to move the mouse around, but not fluently. |
| 22:01.43 | uski | SparFux, are you using it as a desktop with a X server running? if so, what happens when it is frozen and you press ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 22:02.01 | uski | (don't do it now) |
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| 22:02.07 | SparFux | uski: nothing happens then. My X stays up. It is only X and Xmonad window manager. |
| 22:02.13 | uski | hmm |
| 22:02.23 | SparFux | I suspect the ATI driver to be the culprit. But I need some sort of log or something. |
| 22:02.38 | uski | try exporting the syslog to another machine |
| 22:02.40 | Aggro | SparFux: Can you login to your computer via ssh for example? |
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| 22:02.50 | SparFux | I tried, but it doesn't work. |
| 22:02.59 | uski | you could also connect a serial console to the PC and tell the kernel to output its data on it |
| 22:03.00 | SparFux | Perhaps I can try and connect a serial terminal. |
| 22:03.04 | uski | yea |
| 22:03.07 | uski | if you can, try that |
| 22:03.22 | uski | and also... try running your X server with the vesa driver instead of ati's |
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| 22:03.23 | SparFux | I think the serial stuff lives much longer than ethernet, right. |
| 22:03.25 | uski | and see if it still crashed |
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| 22:03.28 | uski | crashes* |
| 22:03.50 | SparFux | Yes, perhaps that's the best idea for now. Vesa is dead slow, but perhaps it doesn't crash and then I know it's the X stuff! |
| 22:03.53 | SparFux | BRB |
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| 22:04.55 | Iridos | eptalon, the one we got had two disks and just plugged into a normal HD-port - so it did mirroring without the OS being aware of it... nothing to set up for it at all - just plug it in.... |
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| 22:06.18 | h1guyzONE | . |
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| 22:07.16 | anddam | in boot I have initrd.img-2.6.25-2-686 and initrd.img-2.6.25-2-686.bak |
| 22:07.53 | anddam | is a .bak for initrd a common thing? any known package created it? |
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| 22:07.59 | pred2k5 | how to upgrade java vm? |
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| 22:08.24 | Wyzard | anddam: The old file gets renamed to .bak by update-initramfs when generating a new one |
| 22:08.39 | anddam | Wyzard: I built a kernel it seems |
| 22:08.47 | anddam | Wyzard: anyway now I've installed 2.6.26 |
| 22:08.58 | anddam | I'll just remove it |
| 22:09.01 | Wyzard | Those initrd files are from a Debian kernel, not one you built yourself |
| 22:09.11 | Wyzard | Just uninstall the kernel package; it'll remove the initrd files |
| 22:09.16 | Brutus | i've got a question. i'm not into AMD but maybe one of you guys knows this: i need a AM2+ processor that is fast enough for Full HD video's, but doesn't heat up |
| 22:09.24 | anddam | Wyzard: both plain and .bak? |
| 22:09.27 | Brutus | i would prefere passive cooling |
| 22:09.37 | Wyzard | I think so |
| 22:09.41 | anddam | Wyzard: well I have to restart first as I'm on 2.6.25 |
| 22:09.58 | Wyzard | Remove the unwanted kernel package and then check whether it left anything behind in /boot |
| 22:10.22 | anddam | Wyzard: another question are config and System.map needed? |
| 22:10.26 | uski | Brutus, I had a dream last night... |
| 22:10.27 | uski | ;) |
| 22:10.30 | Brutus | ? |
| 22:10.31 | Gnurdux | hmm random question. does Linux have support for a non-root process to run native code in a sandbox? (clearly root does, since it can just run code as nobody etc) |
| 22:10.39 | Wyzard | If you have third-party modules packages (such as the non-free nVidia or ATi drivers) your /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686 will stick around with those .ko files until you remove those packages as well |
| 22:10.40 | uski | Brutus, i don't think that what you are looking for exists |
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| 22:10.47 | Wyzard | The config and System.map will be removed by the package too |
| 22:10.58 | Brutus | i currentley have a 3200+ that does a nice job, except it's terrible in combination with linux |
| 22:11.01 | Brutus | at least, the mainboard is |
| 22:11.04 | eptalon | Gnurdux: SELinux/SUID/SGID |
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| 22:11.15 | anddam | Wyzard: I see vmlinuz and initrd.img links to newly installed kernel but System.map and config don't |
| 22:11.16 | uski | Brutus, and you're using passive cooling with it? i.e. no fan? |
| 22:11.21 | Brutus | if i install xp everything is fine, but i'm running into so many problems that i just wan't to start over |
| 22:11.28 | Brutus | yes if possible, or else a slow running fan |
| 22:11.36 | Wyzard | You don't need symlinks for the config and System.map files |
| 22:11.37 | Brutus | it's standing next to my bed |
| 22:11.42 | Brutus | and it's ment to stay on 24/7 |
| 22:11.45 | Wyzard | They're not used for booting |
| 22:11.57 | anddam | Wyzard: so I have to link them by hand |
| 22:12.06 | Wyzard | no, you don't need symlinks for them at all |
| 22:12.08 | uski | i know some people who are using watercooling, with everything (heat exchanged, pump) in another room; the run pipes to and from the PC to the other room |
| 22:12.15 | uski | heat exhanger* |
| 22:12.16 | Brutus | http://www.gigabyte.eu/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2758 |
| 22:12.19 | Brutus | i was thinking of that mainboard |
| 22:12.24 | anddam | Wyzard: oh I missed the "don't" :o |
| 22:12.26 | anddam | :-p |
| 22:12.27 | anddam | thanks |
| 22:12.33 | Brutus | i was thinking about spending 150 euro's on it |
| 22:12.40 | Wyzard | In short: when you install and remove packaged kernels, the files in /boot are maintained automatically and you don't need to manually create/delete/symlink anything |
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| 22:12.42 | Gnurdux | eptalon, imagine you just want to make a process that can do nothing except communicate with its parent... will SELinux do that? |
| 22:12.45 | Brutus | (just need the mainboard and cpu) |
| 22:12.52 | Brutus | mainboard is 50 euro's |
| 22:12.56 | Gnurdux | like not even able to communicate with other child processes |
| 22:13.22 | uski | Brutus, you should know that most motherboards are built on the assumption that there is an air flow in the PC |
| 22:13.26 | Wyzard | If you have files in there that you don't want, uninstall the package that they're part of |
| 22:13.40 | Brutus | yes i know, a slow running fan is nice |
| 22:13.44 | anddam | Wyzard: I remember there was an option about automatically creating links in /boot how's called the package that manages this? |
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| 22:13.52 | Gnurdux | setuid clearly wont cause only root can do setuid |
| 22:13.58 | eptalon | Gnurdux: whats the prob there if (fork==0) { // this is the child } else { //this is the parent } |
| 22:14.01 | Stedevil | Where and how do I complain about a debian packager FUBARing a software that I belong to the dev team on? Any way to at least force a namechane of the software if a package maintainer cant just not break things all over the place for no good reason? |
| 22:14.03 | Brutus | my "server" has only 1 fan: the power supply |
| 22:14.05 | Wyzard | anddam: man kernel-img.conf |
| 22:14.08 | uski | Brutus, is the PC going to do HD video all the time? |
| 22:14.14 | anddam | thanks |
| 22:14.16 | abrotman | Stedevil: be more specific |
| 22:14.24 | uski | Brutus, or is it going to idle at night? |
| 22:14.25 | Brutus | uski, i've got about 3TB of Full HD movies |
| 22:14.26 | Stedevil | http://patch-tracking.debian.net/package/freedroidrpg/0.11.1-1 |
| 22:14.29 | Brutus | idle at night |
| 22:14.36 | Wyzard | anddam: The symlinks are there by tradition, but the default GRUB config doesn't actually use them |
| 22:14.37 | Gnurdux | eptalon, so i want to know if you can fork a child that cannot access the filesystem or communicate with any process other than the parent |
| 22:14.42 | eptalon | Stedevil: bug against the package |
| 22:14.44 | Wyzard | for vmlinuz and initrd.img, that is |
| 22:14.48 | uski | Brutus, then you could get one of these huge coolermaster (or equivalent) fan |
| 22:14.50 | anddam | Wyzard: I'm on lilo |
| 22:14.51 | abrotman | Stedevil: that's not very specific .. how does it break your software? |
| 22:14.56 | Wyzard | oh, then you do need the links |
| 22:14.59 | Wyzard | Why are you using lilo though? |
| 22:14.59 | Stedevil | Just loads of crap there that will like break the game in several areas just like it has in the past |
| 22:15.10 | Brutus | let me make it easier: http://tinyurl.com/6sxutu |
| 22:15.10 | Stedevil | none of that looks to be needed |
| 22:15.15 | Stedevil | so why mess with it? |
| 22:15.17 | eptalon | Gnurdux: getting a child that can't access FS will be hard. |
| 22:15.20 | abrotman | Stedevil: you're saying you develop freedroidrpg .. but you don't like the way the package is done ? |
| 22:15.25 | \amethyst | Gnurdux: if you're root you can chroot the child inside an empty dir to prevent fs access |
| 22:15.29 | anddam | Wyzard: I need the links, do you mean config and System.map too? |
| 22:15.34 | Wyzard | no |
| 22:15.40 | eptalon | Gnurdux: you can CHROOT it to an empty dir though. |
| 22:15.46 | Stedevil | abrotman: yupp, im on the fd rpg dev team |
| 22:15.48 | \amethyst | Gnurdux: but that won't keep it from, for example, sending signals to other processes owned by the same user |
| 22:15.54 | Stedevil | and we dont like the changes made |
| 22:15.58 | Wyzard | only the vmlinuz and initrd.img links, which are created automatically |
| 22:16.11 | anddam | Wyzard: I remember grub had issues installing on this computer, still I don't have a monitor so a bootloader or the other isn't that useful as long it'll boot the first image in list |
| 22:16.13 | Stedevil | and it's AFAIC a long standing issue |
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| 22:16.30 | abrotman | Stedevil: you can file bugs on the package, but ideally, you would work with the maintainer to work within the debian packaaging requirements, and the way you want your code to be |
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| 22:16.43 | anddam | Wyzard: lilo has been there for like 7 years, simply no good reason to change |
| 22:16.45 | penrod | greetings : building a custom kernel (2.6.27.7) and seem to be missing the sata ide driver, where is it in the make config process ? |
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| 22:17.05 | abrotman | penrod: ask ##kernel |
| 22:17.23 | penrod | thank you |
| 22:17.36 | Stedevil | abrotman: and what if he just donesnt care? can we just provide our own package, that fills the requirements you have but doesnt break the game in several places? |
| 22:17.54 | Flibberdy | i'm new to debian, i just ran an upgrade to lenny rc1, and when it finished i'm told: current status: 0 updates [-456]. What does the -456 mean? |
| 22:17.54 | abrotman | Stedevil: you can if you like, or you can ask to co-maintain the package in debian |
| 22:19.21 | octox2 | is it ok for the verify to say that the contents of track1 difer from the original while verifying the burn of an ISO ? |
| 22:19.28 | Stedevil | abrotman: ok, where can I find the guidelines you have so I can figure out if there is actually anything of the introduced changes that is actually required? |
| 22:19.37 | Wyzard | octox2: shouldn't happen |
| 22:19.40 | abrotman | Stedevil: i'm looking at some of the changes .. moment |
| 22:19.50 | octox2 | Wyzard: the iso is maybe bad? |
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| 22:20.05 | abrotman | Stedevil: does Bart Martens send his changes back to you ? |
| 22:20.09 | octox2 | Wyzard: burned at 8 speed and same thing too |
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| 22:20.40 | Wyzard | octox2: You burned two discs and got the same message both times? |
| 22:20.48 | octox2 | yea |
| 22:21.06 | octox2 | one at 50 speed then I slowed it down and got the same thing |
| 22:21.10 | Wyzard | octox2: Do the two discs match each other? (run something like "md5sum /dev/scd0" on each disc) |
| 22:21.13 | Stedevil | abrotman: He and the main programer (Im "just" content contributor and release manager) dont seem to get along well, and some of his changes breaks parts of the game and would never be accepted |
| 22:21.26 | abrotman | Stedevil: cute .. |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | Stedevil: /msg dpkg mg .. it has a short guide for creating a package for debian |
| 22:21.43 | Wyzard | octox2: Ordinarily a mismatch like that indicates a bad burn, but if it happens consistently and the burned discs are the same, it could be something else |
| 22:21.55 | abrotman | Stedevil: and file a *polite* bug against the package if you choose |
| 22:22.14 | abrotman | imagines a "stop breaking our game putz" wouldn't go over well |
| 22:22.27 | Stedevil | I image so as well :D |
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| 22:22.49 | abrotman | Stedevil: and/or ask bart if you can take over package maintenance |
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| 22:23.49 | anddam | Flibberdy: they should be the broken packges fixed, I just asked same questino |
| 22:23.51 | anddam | question |
| 22:24.01 | Stedevil | abrotman: ok thanks, will read some :) |
| 22:24.24 | Flibberdy | anddam: oh ok, thanks |
| 22:24.25 | abrotman | Stedevil: honestly, it would probably be easier to work with him, or take it over than to maintain it outside debian |
| 22:25.20 | abrotman | wonders if there is a Request To Help style of bug |
| 22:25.31 | Stedevil | Ok, so how do we ask for taking it over? |
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| 22:25.47 | abrotman | you can email him and ask |
| 22:25.59 | abrotman | (i'm guessing that won't go well, but at least you can try) |
| 22:26.07 | Samuel-NotAFK | Firestarter keeps crashing >< |
| 22:26.10 | Stedevil | And he has final say? |
| 22:26.21 | abrotman | Stedevil: unless he abandons the package |
| 22:26.44 | abrotman | Stedevil: i don't think there's a way for a non-DD to take over a package without permission (i could be wrong) |
| 22:27.11 | abrotman | you'd have to find a sponsor, etc ... |
| 22:28.02 | Stedevil | So pretty much we are likely stuck with a semihostile packager or to package ourself outside debian + of course stuck with all the debian introduced bugs people will come and complain about on IRC? Sweet :P |
| 22:28.33 | abrotman | Stedevil: if someone comes to complain about a bug on the package that he introduced, tell them to use reportbug to file a bug |
| 22:28.52 | petemc | yeah, complaining on irc is pretty annoying |
| 22:29.06 | abrotman | you should call the DD on the phone! |
| 22:29.24 | Stedevil | abrotman: problem is, you migth first waste 1h trying to find a bug then have the guy say "I use the debian package" |
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| 22:29.35 | [_Lucas_] | I'm not able to print because the jobs are stopped. Any direction would be appreciated. |
| 22:29.50 | abrotman | Stedevil: it should be pretty easy to tell i'd imagine .. dpkg -l freedroidrpg :) |
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| 22:31.18 | Stedevil | abrotman: why would we ask eg a gentoo user to dpkg? |
| 22:31.34 | abrotman | Stedevil: because the command would fail .. and you know it wasn't debian |
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| 22:32.03 | Iridos | .oO( emerge apt ) |
| 22:32.18 | samplr | is there a way to create a loopback sound device? I want to make a program think it's recording from the sound card, but it's really being sourced by a wav (or other file). I know there's something to do the oposite of this, but that doesn't help me |
| 22:32.39 | Iridos | samplr, why don't you try it... |
| 22:32.54 | samplr | Iridos: try what? |
| 22:33.11 | samplr | Iridos: vsound? doesn't do what I want |
| 22:33.13 | abrotman | Stedevil: does your application have a --version that you could ask bart to change to a _debian or something ? |
| 22:33.21 | abrotman | erm .. append a _debian |
| 22:33.31 | Iridos | replace /dev/dsp by a loop device - or by a file |
| 22:33.44 | samplr | Iridos: or pipe, I suppose |
| 22:33.51 | Stedevil | yes we do |
| 22:34.11 | samplr | Iridos: but how would that work? it wouldn't know what bit rate to sample at |
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| 22:35.08 | samplr | Iridos: pipe, i.e. fifo |
| 22:35.18 | Stedevil | abrotman: anyway, thanks for your help |
| 22:35.19 | Iridos | probably only moderately well... or possibly not at all |
| 22:35.29 | abrotman | Stedevil: didn't help much :) |
| 22:35.35 | Iridos | yet, it's not so hard to try |
| 22:35.43 | Iridos | abrotman, gave interesting reading, though |
| 22:35.48 | Stedevil | well, at least I know where we stand right now :) |
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| 22:37.21 | abrotman | Stedevil: oh .. you can request to adopt .. |
| 22:37.25 | Stedevil | hopefully we can take over the managment ourselves, or at least "force" a clear debian label so we dont have to deal with 3rd party bugs :) |
| 22:37.30 | abrotman | oh wait .. misread |
| 22:38.07 | abrotman | Stedevil: that sounds like it would be ideal |
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| 22:39.25 | abrotman | Stedevil: you could start by creating a 'debian/' direcectory in your source tree |
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| 22:40.00 | abrotman | i guess you'll get that from the docs you'll be reading |
| 22:40.09 | Stedevil | Installing them right now |
| 22:40.27 | Stedevil | though im on Ubuntu (hope that doesnt mess things up too much) |
| 22:41.12 | abrotman | Stedevil: well, if you want to actually package for debian, you'll have to get some sort of actual debian system setup, like a vm or chroot |
| 22:41.22 | Stedevil | Though I guess I can insatll debian in a virtual |
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| 22:42.01 | Waxhead | If I have two disks containing a bunch of files and I would like to mount both under one dir like /mixedfiles/ .... If one disk is unavailable I would still like to access the files on the other disk and vice versa. Is this possible? Also if I write files to /mixedfiles/ will linux "balance" files on both disks? ... sort of like a raid0 like setup only that the entire files are put on each disk and that the "array" don't break if one disk |
| 22:42.06 | Stedevil | You do all the packaging Debian -> Ubuntu and not the other way around? |
| 22:42.35 | \amethyst | Stedevil: you build debian packages in a debian chroot, ubuntu packages in an ubuntu chroot |
| 22:42.47 | \amethyst | Stedevil: that way the versioned dependencies etc are all correct |
| 22:43.00 | octox2 | Wyzard: sorry, i was gone for a few. i think i am not sure how to check the md5sum. do i just type 'md5sum /dev/cdrom1' and it should check it? |
| 22:43.17 | Wyzard | yep |
| 22:43.32 | octox2 | Wyzard: I get an Input/Output error from the cdrom though |
| 22:43.46 | octox2 | Wyzard: it did wind up and do something |
| 22:43.53 | Wyzard | Immediately, or at the end? |
| 22:44.12 | octox2 | Wyzard: at the end the first time and then imediately after that |
| 22:44.27 | octox2 | Wyzard: i can see the files in konqueror |
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| 22:44.57 | samplr | Iridos: hmm... reading /dev/dsp seems to be outputting audio, but it's 8 bit, and I don't know what the sample rate or channel count is, so do I have to make sure the raw data match the rate, precesion, and channels? |
| 22:45.09 | Wyzard | It's normal to get an I/O error when it gets to the end of the CD |
| 22:45.35 | Wyzard | Device files don't have sizes like normal files do, so it doesn't know when to stop until it tries to read past the end of the disc and gets an error |
| 22:45.42 | Wyzard | Do you get the same MD5 from both discs though? |
| 22:45.56 | jpinx | Waxhead - that should be possible - man mount for details of mounting more than once and note that entries that you make in /etc/fstab for possibly non-existant HDD's will not break it |
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| 22:46.23 | octox2 | it didnt list it out |
| 22:46.33 | Waxhead | jpinx: so far the only thing i have found is mount -bind... but it seems that's not exactly what I am looking for ... not sure yet ;) |
| 22:46.39 | sgh | I need to set a static ip, subnetmask, def. gateway and two dns servers. How can I do this= |
| 22:46.41 | octox2 | i downloaded the file agian and will see if the md5 is the same from both downloads right away too |
| 22:46.55 | Wyzard | octox2: The problem isn't with your iso file |
| 22:46.57 | Waxhead | sgh: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:47.15 | Wyzard | The problem is that what got burned to the CD is different from what's in the iso file |
| 22:47.19 | sgh | Waxhead: how would I set it up? |
| 22:47.19 | jpinx | Waxhead: maybe a rsync as a cron job? |
| 22:47.38 | smacnay | enouf: you around? |
| 22:47.53 | Waxhead | sgh: man interfaces |
| 22:47.54 | Wyzard | Regardless of what's in the iso file, and whether it downloaded correctly or not, the burned contents of the CD should be the same as the iso file |
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| 22:48.03 | octox2 | Wyzard: i see. I thought maybe if the file was messedup that may have caused the problem |
| 22:48.11 | sgh | Waxhead: no entry |
| 22:48.25 | smacnay | Is there still a person nicked "bignose" frequenting this channel? |
| 22:48.43 | Wyzard | octox2: burning a CD from an iso file is making a byte-for-byte copy of the file |
| 22:49.00 | Wyzard | Even if the iso file is 650 megabytes of random garbage, the burned content should be identical to the file |
| 22:49.06 | jpinx | offers smacnay a mirror |
| 22:49.06 | Waxhead | sgh: http://www.digipedia.pl/man/interfaces.5.html |
| 22:49.13 | octox2 | Wyzard: md5 wont give me a number for the cd in there |
| 22:49.25 | smacnay | jpinx: you? |
| 22:49.26 | octox2 | Wyzard: ill pop another cd in and see if md5 works on thattttt |
| 22:49.36 | sgh | Waxhead: will /etc/network/interfaces allow me to do all that I mentioned? |
| 22:49.46 | Wyzard | Use readcd, then: readcd dev=/dev/cdrom1 f=test.iso |
| 22:49.50 | Wyzard | then md5sum test.iso |
| 22:49.51 | jpinx | looks in the mirror |
| 22:49.53 | Waxhead | sgh: I'm no guru but so yes it will :) |
| 22:49.56 | jpinx | not me smacnay |
| 22:50.04 | Wyzard | That shouldn't give you any I/O errors (if it does, it indicates an actual problem with the CD) |
| 22:50.10 | Shadow_Master | how can I remove a kernel module in a way that doesn't cause it to come back after a kernel upgrade/reinstall ? |
| 22:50.15 | smacnay | jpinx: ah, I thought that maybe you were. |
| 22:50.31 | smacnay | jpinx: He was very helpful to me some years back. |
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| 22:51.13 | smacnay | Shadow_Master: blacklist it. type '/msg dpkg blacklist' |
| 22:51.25 | jpinx | Waxhead: I have a similar situation between 2 hdd's and a fair dose of paranoia about breakages |
| 22:51.34 | octox2 | Wyzard: making iso now :) |
| 22:51.43 | octox2 | Wyzard: i didnt know about readcd cool |
| 22:51.45 | jpinx | I have the main OS copied onto the 2nd hdd as well |
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| 22:53.18 | anddam | hello |
| 22:53.24 | jpinx | Waxhead: I run a script which rsyncs the relevant things across from the in-use system to it's back up - usually once a day |
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| 22:53.35 | Wyzard | octox2: You can also say -c2scan instead of f=test.iso and it'll do a type of error scan that can help in recognizing bad burns |
| 22:53.39 | octox2 | Wyzard: md5s look the same as original download |
| 22:53.56 | Wyzard | octox2: hmm, then it looks like your burn is OK |
| 22:54.05 | Wyzard | octox2: dunno why your burning program said they were different |
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| 22:54.39 | octox2 | Wyzard: k3b was the complainer |
| 22:54.53 | anddam | this is my vnc server log after reboot http://rafb.net/p/yDii2822.html |
| 22:55.09 | anddam | I think something about font server got screwed, any hint? |
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| 22:56.16 | Wyzard | anddam: "Cannot connect to non-local host localhost" sounds fishy |
| 22:56.23 | Iridos | samplr, /dev/dsp is OSS and twoway, though (cat some.wav >/dev/dsp plays the wav) there's also all kinds of sound servers like arts etc - you could check if recording goes through them as well |
| 22:56.23 | Waxhead | jpinx: I don't want to sync the drives .. I want to "SPLIT" them ;) |
| 22:56.33 | anddam | Wyzard: some iptable run |
| 22:56.53 | Wyzard | anddam: That's a Unix domain socket, and iptables has nothing to do with it |
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| 22:57.06 | anddam | Wyzard: ah so it's something in the server config |
| 22:57.12 | Wyzard | The font path ought to be "unix/:7100", I believe, not "unix/localhost:7100" |
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| 22:57.25 | Wyzard | The former is definitely correct; I don't know whether the latter is also correct |
| 22:57.41 | anddam | Wyzard: where is the font path for vnc set? |
| 22:57.45 | Wyzard | no idea |
| 22:57.47 | \amethyst | Waxhead: something like unionfs, unaufs, funionfs, or unionfs-fuse might do most of what you want |
| 22:58.01 | \amethyst | Waxhead: I don't know if they provide a way to "load balance" files |
| 22:58.03 | Wyzard | I was about to ask why you're using a font server at all; does the VNC server not support loading fonts directly (like xorg does these days)? |
| 22:58.20 | \amethyst | Waxhead: typically only one of the unioned filesystems is used for writing |
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| 22:58.48 | anddam | Wyzard: $ grep unix xorg.conf |
| 22:58.49 | anddam | FontPath "unix/localhost:7100" |
| 22:58.56 | \amethyst | Waxhead: ah, mhddfs (in lenny and sid) might be what you want |
| 23:00.08 | Wyzard | anddam: That must be a pretty old xorg.conf |
| 23:00.18 | anddam | Wyzard: probably |
| 23:00.23 | Waxhead | \amethyst: hey thanks... I look up mhddfs ;) |
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| 23:00.36 | Wyzard | anddam: xorg can load fonts directly from files on disk so there's no need for a font server for fonts that are installed locally |
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| 23:00.44 | Waxhead | is running lenny and are proud of it :P |
| 23:01.02 | Wyzard | I don't know whether Xvnc can, though (I've never used it) |
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| 23:01.30 | octox2 | Wyzard: didnt see any C2 errors |
| 23:01.38 | anddam | Wyzard: weird thing is that is worked until I rebooted, like 5 minutes ago |
| 23:01.41 | Wyzard | octox2: I'd say you're fine then |
| 23:01.49 | octox2 | cool, i guess all is well and i learned some cool stuff thank you |
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| 23:02.16 | vlAm | Connect now to http://www.xradio.nl:8000/listen.pls nonstop music 128kb! |
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| 23:03.02 | Wyzard | anddam: Here's my reasoning, though: in a DISPLAY variable, something like "localhost:0.0" means to connect to the named host (in this case "localhost") using TCP on a certain port, but ":0.0" (no hostname) means to use a socket file in /tmp/.X11-unix |
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| 23:03.50 | anddam | Wyzard: i'm following you |
| 23:04.05 | Wyzard | anddam: If (and I'm guessing here) the font path is interpreted similarly, then "localhost:7100" (indicating a TCP connection) makes no sense for a unix/ path |
| 23:04.20 | anddam | Wyzard: commented the line and it's working |
| 23:04.35 | anddam | so maybe I'd better change it in unix/:7100 |
| 23:04.41 | Wyzard | but then, "unix/:7100" would still seem to indicate a network connection (7100 is a TCP port number) |
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| 23:05.09 | Wyzard | so clearly I don't fully understand the workings of X11 font-server addresses |
| 23:05.27 | anddam | Wyzard: my xfs server wasn't accepting connection on tcp anyway |
| 23:05.37 | anddam | Wyzard: I disabled them in config file |
| 23:05.41 | Wyzard | Well, if it works without that line, I'd remove the line |
| 23:05.53 | Wyzard | Actually, try stopping xfs, and restart Xvnc to see if it still works |
| 23:06.11 | Wyzard | If it does, it probably means Xvnc can load the fonts directly and doesn't actually need xfs |
| 23:06.15 | anddam | Wyzard: ah wait, I wanted to block tcp but I had to keep them in order to make it work |
| 23:06.33 | anddam | Wyzard: so your thought are correct and localhost:7100 was a (local) tcp connection |
| 23:07.22 | Waxhead | \amethyst: Wow!!! mhddfs seems to be EXACTLY what I am looking for!!! THANKS A LOT DUDE!!!!!! |
| 23:08.06 | Waxhead | gives \amethyst the worlds largest icecream! |
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| 23:10.30 | anddam | Wyzard: without the Fontpath unix/ line vncserver is working but fonts are weird.. |
| 23:10.58 | Wyzard | weird? |
| 23:11.30 | anddam | not the defaults I had, fluxbox and terminal emulator have font much bigger |
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| 23:12.05 | Wyzard | sounds like it couldn't load the font it wanted so it's subsituting another one |
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| 23:12.23 | Wyzard | dunno though; I haven't used a font server in years and I've never used Xvnc, so I probably can't be of much more help |
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| 23:13.27 | Wyzard | That whole server-side font system is kinda legacy anyway; most things use client-side fonts these days |
| 23:14.13 | anddam | Wyzard: I'm just using it as legacy, what should I do? |
| 23:14.34 | anddam | only keep local dirs in FontPath? |
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| 23:16.12 | Wyzard | If you're getting any fonts at all, without the remote font path, that seems to suggest that Xvnc has loaded fonts from files directly |
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| 23:16.45 | Wyzard | so maybe you're just missing some FontPath lines for certain directories and that's why it doesn't have the font that fluxbox normally uses |
| 23:16.46 | anddam | Wyzard: likely |
| 23:16.49 | amikrop | Sorry for being offtopic, but in which channel can I ask something about music? |
| 23:16.55 | amikrop | I totally doesn't have an idea. |
| 23:17.00 | Wyzard | You could look at the paths that xfs is configured to read, and duplicate that in your Xvnc configuration |
| 23:17.02 | amikrop | * don't |
| 23:17.38 | Wyzard | or, just to see if it works, comment out the entire font configuration in the Xvnc configuration (xorg has a built-in list and doesn't need it in the config file, so maybe Xvnc does the same) |
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| 23:18.09 | anddam | actually I'm not using a vnc configuration, I'm editing xorg.conf |
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| 23:18.54 | Wyzard | You're configuring Xvnc though, right? |
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| 23:19.05 | Wyzard | Does it read xorg.conf for its configuration? |
| 23:21.23 | anddam | Wyzard: I think so |
| 23:21.44 | anddam | at least changes to Fontpath in xorg.conf affects vncserver |
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| 23:22.23 | pingouin_ | wich command/file to switch my swiss keyboard (qwertz) to a real us keyboard layout (qwerty) ? |
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| 23:22.58 | Wyzard | That's a little surprising since most of what's in xorg.conf (aside from font paths) is hardware-related stuff that doesn't pertain to Xvnc |
| 23:22.58 | Wyzard | but whatever |
| 23:22.58 | anddam | Wyzard: I commented all old lines /usr/X11/lib and added /usr/share/fonts from xfs config |
| 23:23.08 | Wyzard | xorg doesn't need the font paths at all; I'd try Xvnc without them, just to see |
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| 23:23.54 | anddam | Wyzard: all FontPath commented in xorg.conf |
| 23:24.16 | Wyzard | comment out the whole Font section, not just the lines within it |
| 23:24.35 | Wyzard | (otherwise you're specifying an empty set of font paths, rather than not specifying a set of font paths at all) |
| 23:24.45 | anddam | Wyzard: there's no a Font section |
| 23:24.53 | anddam | Wyzard: they are in Files section |
| 23:25.00 | Wyzard | oops, that's what I meant |
| 23:25.11 | Wyzard | Comment out the Section and EndSection lines, at any rate |
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| 23:25.40 | anddam | vnc is working |
| 23:25.44 | anddam | bigfont tho' |
| 23:26.08 | Wyzard | hmm |
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| 23:26.11 | Wyzard | so it knows about some fonts, but not all of them |
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| 23:26.20 | Wyzard | I guess it doesn't have the full list of font paths built in like xorg does |
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| 23:26.55 | anddam | Wyzard: from what I can see it's the same that with /usr/share fonts lines |
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| 23:27.24 | Wyzard | You mean you still get weird fonts even with all the FontPath lines you added? |
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| 23:27.37 | anddam | yes, by weird I mean they are way bigger than usual |
| 23:27.46 | anddam | not ideograms |
| 23:28.07 | Wyzard | If you uncommented the FontPath lines and it's still doing it, then I don't know |
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| 23:28.54 | Wyzard | I'd suggest comparing the output of "xlsfonts" with different font configurations (commented, not commented, with xfs, etc.) to see what's missing |
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| 23:33.21 | anddam | Wyzard: how can I list fonts provided by xfs? |
| 23:34.10 | Wyzard | xlsfonts will list them if the X server is using xfs |
| 23:34.34 | Wyzard | You could enable TCP connections or whatever it was that you'd disabled before |
| 23:35.13 | anddam | Wyzard: now I checked and tcp were enabled, I just filtered them on eth1 |
| 23:35.33 | anddam | speaking of which I've a networking problem |
| 23:35.41 | Wyzard | eth1 shouldn't be involved in a connection to localhost |
| 23:35.45 | anddam | I installed 2.6.26 to get new rt2400pci module |
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| 23:36.04 | Wyzard | localhost maps to 127.0.0.1 via /etc/hosts, and that goes through the "lo" interface |
| 23:36.25 | anddam | Wyzard: I know, I just wanted to make it clear that I didn't blocked them, just filtered incoming connection from the outside |
| 23:36.34 | anddam | by them I mean tcp connection on 7100 |
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| 23:39.56 | anddam | I configured my wlan0 as ad-hoc with ip addr 192.168.2.18 |
| 23:40.19 | anddam | then I enabled it with ifconfig, with my laptop I can see the network and join it |
| 23:40.25 | anddam | the laptop is 192.168.2.16 |
| 23:40.48 | anddam | when I try to ping the laptop from the debian box I get a |
| 23:40.50 | anddam | ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
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| 23:43.57 | Wyzard | I *think* that means sending the packet was blocked by local iptables configuration |
| 23:43.59 | Wyzard | not sure though |
| 23:44.12 | anddam | Wyzard: that's very likely as I'm using ipmasq automagically |
| 23:44.47 | anddam | Wyzard: I never digged iptables too much, I asked how I could route traffic with the debian box, I was told ipmasq, I installed it and voila' |
| 23:45.14 | anddam | Wyzard: the box has 3 nics, 2 eth and the wlan, I'd like to be able to browse via wifi too |
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| 23:48.00 | anddam | is there a quick way to tell ipmasq "this interface lead to the outside, run Johnny, run!" |
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| 23:52.18 | anddam | Wyzard: I tried to stop ipmasq and the wifi network works |
| 23:52.29 | anddam | Wyzard: now I'm tired but happier |
| 23:52.32 | anddam | thanks |
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| 23:55.38 | acutedeath | when I shut down my x server, I get a black screen on all ttys. only when i'm using the driver "nvidia" in my xorg.conf. What should I try? |
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| 23:55.47 | n3kl | Hellop |
| 23:56.10 | scientes | acutedeath, it has nothing to do with your xorg.conf |
| 23:56.19 | scientes | acutedeath, first try ctrl-alt-1 |
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| 23:56.45 | acutedeath | when i'm in bsod? |
| 23:56.48 | n3kl | I want to encrypt /etc/ with luks, I have everyting created, now when I boot, I get no inittab because etc has not been unlocked and mounted. How can I tell the kernel to prompt for passphrase and unlock etc and mount it to /etc? |
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| 23:57.37 | scientes | bsod? |
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| 23:59.14 | Tramp | n3kl: never heard of somebody putting /etc on a seperate filesystem. I'm sure it can be done with some weird initrd, but it would be a real challenge. Don't try it. |
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| 23:59.58 | n3kl | Tramp: nah, there has to be a way to give the kernel extra mount params upfront |
