| 00:00.10 | Tramp | n3kl: good luck. |
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| 00:00.26 | n3kl | I just dont want to encrypt my entire / for performance reasons |
| 00:01.55 | Tramp | n3kl: If you think so ... - I just want to tell you, that what you are trying to do is both highly unusual and not trivial. Feel free, to believe me or not. |
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| 00:03.20 | acutedeath | shut down x -> blank screen, but input still accepted. I can confirm that the problem in only present when I am using Driver "nvidia" for my Screen. |
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| 00:06.01 | Wyzard | acutedeath: could be a driver bug, then |
| 00:06.26 | Wyzard | acutedeath: but that's a closed-source driver so there's nothing we can do about it |
| 00:06.33 | acutedeath | yeah |
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| 00:07.29 | acutedeath | must drain pasta |
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| 00:08.15 | Mustinet | hi all |
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| 00:10.28 | anddam | how nice, the point was ipmasq qas launched when wlan0 was not configured, simply relaunching it was enough |
| 00:10.38 | anddam | s/qas/was/ |
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| 00:17.35 | acutedeath | every time I load synaptic, the option "consider recommended packages as dependencies" is checked. Is this common? |
| 00:18.50 | FredZ | I was wondering if anyone has experience with vserver or OpenVZ as I am looking at virtualisation of my servers. I am using 4.0R5 |
| 00:19.18 | FredZ | Just looking for suggestions |
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| 00:21.14 | anddam | Wyzard: still there? |
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| 00:22.43 | lackita | I removed my sound card recently (in preference of the on-board sound card on my motherboard), but I can't get debian to detect my audio driver |
| 00:23.07 | lackita | any ideas, I'm a bit at a loss |
| 00:23.34 | acutedeath | lackita: do you know your chipset? |
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| 00:24.05 | lackita | no, but I just figured it out, looks like permission problem |
| 00:24.11 | lackita | sorry to bother you guys |
| 00:24.13 | acutedeath | ah |
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| 00:24.33 | abrotman | run alsaconf again ? |
| 00:24.46 | jberg | doesn't debian testing come with ppp or modem applications? |
| 00:24.56 | jberg | i need vwdial and pppd |
| 00:24.57 | acutedeath | i just had to recompile alsa before i had viable sound. |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | jberg: wvdial .. pppconfig ? |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | not vwdial |
| 00:25.34 | jberg | oh, right |
| 00:25.45 | sgh | how can I change the background to black, and the font to white in xvt? I dont understand the syntax to use... |
| 00:26.05 | jberg | abrotman, but debian testing doesn't come with those by default? |
| 00:26.10 | jberg | i don't have them anyway.. |
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| 00:26.26 | joseph_h_schmoe | How can I disable the logon banner? I know how to change /etc/motd, but I don't know how to disable the banner that reads something like "Last login: Sun Nov 16 13:26:12 2008 from 172.16.41.1 on pts/1" |
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| 00:33.11 | abrotman | jberg: probably pppconfig |
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| 00:35.24 | jberg | nope, don't have it |
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| 00:44.11 | richardu | if i use ifdown to turn off a network interface will that persist after restarting? |
| 00:44.47 | petemc | no, thats controlled by the auto line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:45.09 | lunaphyte | what shell program can i use to see information about hard disks? |
| 00:45.28 | lunaphyte | (e.g. which disk is primary/secondary master/slave, etc. |
| 00:45.29 | petemc | lunaphyte: df , fdisk, hwinfo |
| 00:45.44 | petemc | you can look in dmesg, if its not overwritten |
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| 00:46.01 | lunaphyte | yeah, it's gone now. |
| 00:46.42 | infinity0 | port scanning myself shows up random open ports that disappear and reappear... what might be causing this? |
| 00:47.10 | richardu | petemc: thank you |
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| 00:52.21 | lunaphyte | i was kind of looking for the linux equivalent to freebsd's atacontrol list command. |
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| 00:52.50 | abrotman | which does ? |
| 00:53.22 | lunaphyte | this sort of thing: http://rafb.net/p/kYtKuK36.html |
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| 00:54.52 | abrotman | it just lists drives ? |
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| 00:56.06 | lunaphyte | atacontrol itself does other things as well, but the list function is what i'm after. |
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| 00:57.03 | lunaphyte | let met get to the real point here though - i have a computer w/ 2 pata channels and 4 sata channels. until today, i've used just the pata channels, but now i've added a sata disk, and when i boot, it can't find the os (i guess it's trying to boot form the sata disk?) how can i tell it to boot from the disk it's been booting from? |
| 00:58.03 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 00:58.03 | dpkg | well, uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 00:59.29 | petemc | lunaphyte: hwinfo --disk |
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| 00:59.49 | petemc | for the first question... |
| 01:00.26 | petemc | lunaphyte: second question sounds like something you would do in the bios |
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| 01:02.10 | lunaphyte | ok, thanks for the clues. |
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| 01:02.44 | pablo | hi, i did un apt-get update and i am getting a hash mismatch |
| 01:02.56 | Saz|Laptop | how do i make it so when an app accesses an IP it goes to a different IP instead |
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| 01:03.17 | Saz|Laptop | i dont have the source so i cant modify it |
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| 01:04.08 | lunaphyte | i see some similar topic referring to using labels - is that similar to using uuids? is one better than the other? |
| 01:04.16 | lunaphyte | *topics |
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| 01:04.36 | Darkclaw66 | is there a super easy and secure way to be able to access my samba drives from another network? |
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| 01:05.20 | uski | VPN? it's not _super_ easy, but it's secure |
| 01:05.30 | abrotman | tunnel it over ssh |
| 01:05.33 | uski | good idea |
| 01:05.37 | Darkclaw66 | abrotman I tried tunneling it over ssh, didnt work |
| 01:05.44 | uski | well then you have to use a VPN |
| 01:05.50 | uski | openvpn with shared keys |
| 01:06.00 | Darkclaw66 | I looked into openvpn but it is too mcuh work for my purposes... |
| 01:06.05 | pablo | hi, i am getting a hash mismatch while doing apt-get update? what may the problem be? |
| 01:06.08 | lunaphyte | fuse+ssh |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | pablo: try another mirror |
| 01:06.40 | Darkclaw66 | fuse? |
| 01:06.55 | Darkclaw66 | isnt that a joystick emulator |
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| 01:08.53 | lunaphyte | maybe |
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| 01:09.12 | abrotman | no .. fuse.sf.net |
| 01:09.15 | pablo | abrotman: same problem |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | put the errror in a pastebin |
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| 01:14.36 | pablo | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m94fabe3 |
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| 01:15.13 | JordiGH | I always lost it, because bugs.debian.org/release-critical isn't right, right? Where is the official rc bug count? |
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| 01:15.57 | alexbodn | hello friends, i'd like to know how to consider users with uid less then SYS_UID_MIN/FIRST_SYSTEM_UID and groups with gid less than SYS_GID_MIN/FIRST_SYSTEM_GID? |
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| 01:17.31 | jberg- | can i install debian packages from a usb stick? i don't have internett connection on my debian machine so i need to download some debian packages and put them on a usb stick |
| 01:17.38 | jelly-uk | jberg-: sure |
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| 01:17.45 | jelly-uk | !apt-zip |
| 01:17.45 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout> |
| 01:18.39 | jberg- | !apt offline |
| 01:18.39 | dpkg | [apt offline] To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
| 01:18.49 | jberg- | !apt-walkabout |
| 01:18.49 | dpkg | [apt-walkabout] another tool for managing the distribution and upgrade of debian packages for non-connected or low-speed links computers. See http://quozl.netrek.org/apt-walkabout/ Also ask me about <apt-zip> <apt offline> |
| 01:18.58 | JordiGH | !tell jberg- about self tell |
| 01:19.09 | jelly-uk | jberg-: use "/msg dpkg stuff" for further inquiries |
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| 01:19.37 | lunaphyte | i'm looking at the output of fdisk -l /dev/hda and it shows "W95 Ext'd (LBA)" in the system column for hda3. is that normal? |
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| 01:19.53 | JordiGH | Hrm, Umbrello is unusable. |
| 01:20.20 | jberg- | ok thanks |
| 01:20.28 | simonrvn | o/~ jelly in the UK o/~ |
| 01:20.57 | jelly-uk | devil in the blue dress o/~ ? |
| 01:21.13 | JordiGH | o/` <--- better notes |
| 01:21.18 | JordiGH | (at least in my font) |
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| 01:21.21 | simonrvn | sex pistols dude :) |
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| 01:21.57 | JordiGH | Hey, can any of you people check to see if Umbrello ever actually returns if you tell it to scan one of your C++ projects for classes? |
| 01:22.16 | JordiGH | I want to file a bug, but I don't feel like telling them... oh, what the hell, I guess I will. |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | why don't you try it on a smaller class ? |
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| 01:23.02 | JordiGH | My project isn't huge. If Umbrello can't work on my project, then it's useless. |
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| 01:23.37 | JordiGH | http://inversethought.com/jordi/rbf-doc/annotated.html |
| 01:24.06 | xsdg | bah; how do I use -floodfill in imagemagick? |
| 01:24.37 | abrotman | xsdg: MIT failed you?! |
| 01:25.20 | xsdg | abrotman: it's surprisingly difficult |
| 01:25.37 | xsdg | abrotman: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#floodfill |
| 01:25.47 | xsdg | abrotman: the syntax for that one option makes very little sense |
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| 01:26.33 | simonrvn | the *docs* make little sense, for imagemagick. |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | it appears to me that it starts at x,y and fills from there to the last x,y with a single color |
| 01:26.50 | JordiGH | Uh, I can file bugs for stuff in experimental, right? |
| 01:26.56 | xsdg | abrotman: what the heck does a negative offset mean, though? |
| 01:26.59 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:27.02 | xsdg | JordiGH: yes, but tag it with experimental |
| 01:27.10 | simonrvn | what he said |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | xsdg: go backwards ? |
| 01:27.24 | JordiGH | xsdg: The tags go in the pseudoheader? |
| 01:27.30 | JordiGH | "Tag: experimental"? |
| 01:27.40 | xsdg | JordiGH: dunno; I usually use reportbug :o) |
| 01:28.00 | JordiGH | xsdg: Yeah, I didn't get an option to tag it there... |
| 01:28.16 | JordiGH | xsdg: reportbug just put the version number, which is experimental. |
| 01:28.17 | abrotman | you can tag it after it hits the BTS if you prefer |
| 01:28.20 | simonrvn | so tag it something else, then change it ;) |
| 01:28.51 | xsdg | abrotman: so, let's say I've got an image with a gray border that I want to turn white. what I've been trying is something like `mogrify -floodfill +5+5 white foo.jpg`, which seems to have no effect |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | xsdg: that doesn't seem like it would do what you want |
| 01:29.40 | xsdg | abrotman: I still don't think I understand what's going on :o) |
| 01:30.38 | jberg- | hmm, is apt-walkabout only intended for a dist-upgrade and not installing single packages? |
| 01:31.53 | abrotman | god imagemagick docs suck |
| 01:32.30 | JordiGH | There is a place where the docs are ok... but I keep losing it. |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | heaven ? |
| 01:33.49 | JordiGH | file:///usr/share/doc/imagemagick/www/command-line-options.html#floodfill |
| 01:33.55 | JordiGH | That doesn't say what you want it to say? |
| 01:34.06 | xsdg | JordiGH: how do I get rid of a border |
| 01:34.19 | JordiGH | xsdg: Border? |
| 01:34.42 | JordiGH | xsdg: Dude, if you want to do real image editting beyond what you can do with CLI params, use Gimp. :-) |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: we're already looking at that page |
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| 01:36.13 | xsdg | JordiGH: the problem is that I need to explain this to my parents, and they need to do it on a _bunch_ of images |
| 01:36.28 | xsdg | JordiGH: so I figured I can give them a command, and they'll run it, and it'll magically work |
| 01:36.49 | JordiGH | xsdg: Could I have a sample image to play with? |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | xsdg: is there a way to do something like a mask ? |
| 01:37.34 | JordiGH | xsdg: Your parents use Debian? My mom had Debian wiped off her machine at work because "Linux is obsolete", or so they told her. :-( |
| 01:38.32 | xsdg | JordiGH: make a picture with a gray border and a different colored rectangle in the middle |
| 01:38.56 | jpinx | on a new installed etch/XP dual-boot system the first instance of aptitude update/upgrade has borked grub so it isn't showing the boot XP option. I've run grub-update and install-grub but grub isn't picking up the XP partition. Any help anyone? |
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| 01:39.13 | abrotman | xsdg: i'd imagine there's a way to do a mask .. like a bitmask . and then do an OR on it ? |
| 01:39.26 | abrotman | AND .. whatever |
| 01:39.28 | abrotman | xor! |
| 01:39.43 | xsdg | abrotman: the problem is that the border is different on different images |
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| 01:39.55 | abrotman | different sizes? or different colors ? |
| 01:40.47 | jelly-uk | xsdg: humm, can't you just crop the image? |
| 01:40.59 | jelly-uk | oh |
| 01:41.01 | jelly-uk | nm |
| 01:41.16 | xsdg | abrotman: sizes |
| 01:41.22 | xsdg | abrotman: I'm pretty sure it's 50% gray every time |
| 01:41.43 | jelly-uk | wonders whether imagemagick does autocrop |
| 01:42.06 | abrotman | xsdg: so you can't just blindly replace all 50% gray with transparency ? |
| 01:42.06 | xsdg | jelly-uk: it does: -trim |
| 01:42.31 | xsdg | abrotman: they're jpegs, so no transparency. Also, I'd worry about gray in the interior of the image |
| 01:42.40 | jelly-uk | xsdg: and it's not good enough? |
| 01:42.45 | xsdg | anyway; gotta run for now; thanks for the help/suggestions |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | Daddy, why are mommy's eyes missing? |
| 01:43.03 | xsdg | jelly-uk: I need the photos to stay the same size, is the problem |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | xsdg: is it always the same size border? |
| 01:43.15 | jelly-uk | abrotman: because the smart scissor tool ATE HER SOULLL |
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| 01:44.56 | xsdg | abrotman: unfortunately not |
| 01:45.19 | abrotman | wants to know which goofy application did this |
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| 01:48.47 | jpinx | solved it - I just needed a copy of the menu.lst entry for XP |
| 01:49.02 | deadcat | can i use udhpd to setup PXE install? |
| 01:49.18 | jberg- | hm, this site http://snippets.aktagon.com/snippets/95-3G-connection-with-Linux-and-Option-Globetrotter-GT-Max-7-2-ready- says i should install the pppd package, but i can only find ppp and pppconfig, do you think i need the ppp package? |
| 01:49.33 | htmlol | anybody know how to tell moc to play a CD? |
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| 01:51.19 | JordiGH | Meta-object compiler? |
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| 01:51.55 | htmlol | Music On Console |
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| 01:54.48 | jelly-uk | jberg-: yes, ppp contains pppd |
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| 01:59.28 | stoned | hola boys and girla |
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| 02:04.28 | jaggz | anyone have xen working in etch? |
| 02:04.39 | stoned | !anyone |
| 02:04.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 02:04.57 | JordiGH | xsdg: I think I figured it out. |
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| 02:05.27 | jaggz | Mine installs this kernel: vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-xen-686, but this is a gzip file, and the uncompressed binary is not the same as the normal kernel anyway. bootup on the gzipped version results in: ""error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format" |
| 02:05.49 | JordiGH | xsdg: mogrify -fill white -fuzz 10% -floodfill +1+1 gray foo.png |
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| 02:06.24 | JordiGH | xsdg: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/color/#floodfill |
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| 02:10.16 | jaggz | maybe if I use this backport version... |
| 02:10.19 | jberg- | has anyone here used a cellular broadband card? im not sure how to get my globetrotter hsdpa usb modem to work |
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| 02:11.20 | Gigantic | I am looking for donations so I can buy myself an Nvidia Tesla |
| 02:11.25 | Gigantic | who's first? |
| 02:11.54 | Simian_POTUS | Tired of black people? Join us at http://www.chimpout.com and learn more about these feral simian beasts! This is not a skinhead or white supremacist organization. Asians, Jews, Mexicans, and any non-congoloid ethnic group is welcome to unite. HUMANS vs NIGGGERS http://www.chimpout.com |
| 02:12.16 | simonrvn | Simian_POTUS: FUCK YOU |
| 02:12.20 | Gigantic | o.O |
| 02:12.24 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.26 | simonrvn | !ops Simian_POTUS hate speech |
| 02:12.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Simian_POTUS hate speech |
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| 02:12.39 | simonrvn | woot gravity :D |
| 02:12.45 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 02:12.46 | jamon | ty |
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| 02:12.50 | gravity | No problem |
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| 02:13.33 | Gigantic | Jamon was once part of a little and pretty piggy =( |
| 02:13.56 | jamon | a fine mountain thoroughbred piggy :p |
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| 02:18.49 | Gigantic | I'm about to come back to Deian, anyone that want to share a sources.list w me pls |
| 02:18.59 | abrotman | Gigantic: man sources.list |
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| 02:19.26 | Gigantic | I know, I want a list of aditional repos |
| 02:19.27 | jamon | Gigantic: don't worry about non-us stuff anymore, defaults are excellent |
| 02:20.05 | Gigantic | mmmmmk |
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| 02:24.01 | abrotman | Gigantic: there are no additional ones .. use the official ones |
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| 02:25.27 | Gigantic | no nvidia, and xine special sources? |
| 02:25.30 | Gigantic | anymore? |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | use the official sources |
| 02:25.52 | Gigantic | heh ok |
| 02:26.27 | Gigantic | what about stuff like dvdcss |
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| 02:27.08 | abrotman | how about you install Debian .. then start asking |
| 02:27.33 | netdaemon | debian multimedia shall guide the padiwan's way! |
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| 02:27.50 | Gigantic | mm, I like to be prepared, faster and better to gather all necessary information before I start |
| 02:27.55 | abrotman | Gigantic: see what's in Debian before you start installing junk from all over the net |
| 02:28.11 | JordiGH | So nvidia's installer is the official way nowadays? |
| 02:28.19 | Gigantic | Last time I used Deb it was potato, that's why I ask |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | JordiGH: i doubt it |
| 02:28.32 | jamon | JordiGH: module-assistant is better |
| 02:28.33 | Gigantic | no |
| 02:28.37 | Gigantic | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:28.41 | Gigantic | just reading it |
| 02:28.41 | JordiGH | Wow, potato. |
| 02:28.59 | JordiGH | I thought nvidia was a mess. I'm glad I don't have to deal with it. |
| 02:29.11 | gravity | Me too |
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| 02:29.27 | Gigantic | nvidia way isn't that hard |
| 02:29.40 | JordiGH | It's harder than it should be. |
| 02:29.50 | jamon | m-a makes updates e.g. kernel/driver much easier though |
| 02:30.00 | Gigantic | yeah... but not hard |
| 02:30.02 | jamon | but then, using the nv driver is easier still :p |
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| 02:30.13 | JordiGH | "aptitude full-upgrade" <--- This is as hard as it should be. |
| 02:30.15 | Gigantic | there is pro and cons actually |
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| 02:32.59 | JordiGH | Whoa... Apache Tomcat 6 hasn't been packaged? |
| 02:33.03 | JordiGH | It was released in 2006... |
| 02:33.09 | abrotman | so get on it |
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| 02:33.41 | JordiGH | Huh? |
| 02:33.49 | JordiGH | Tomcat 5.5 is still being developed, though. |
| 02:33.59 | JordiGH | So they have two parallel versions and Debian packages only one? |
| 02:34.00 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 02:34.43 | Throat | well... I would like to know about this - the ITP is from begin of 2007: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=417538 |
| 02:35.34 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'll probably do it. Tomcat will be part of what I'll be adminning, so I'll have a chance to get to know it intimately. |
| 02:35.52 | JordiGH | I'm glad I'll be working with Java at a time when the free implementation is almost 100% complete. |
| 02:36.18 | abrotman | Throat: so package it ? |
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| 02:36.38 | abrotman | Throat: it seems to have totally dropped off |
| 02:36.38 | Throat | did you look at the bug? It seems it is packaged |
| 02:37.11 | Throat | the only thing that I see missing is someone saying "yes it's ok on all platforms, go ahead and put it in"? |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | Throat: whoops .. i thought i was at the end |
| 02:37.32 | Throat | it seemed to have dropped off...but then someone took over |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | Throat: so ping it again ? |
| 02:38.53 | Throat | seems like this Ruben Molina did everything and is now just waiting for confirmation? I can't give him that... |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | you don't have an amd64 ? |
| 02:40.40 | Throat | I do... but run 32bit on it |
| 02:41.02 | abrotman | hrm .. you could still ping to see if the fix has been confirmed and if it can now go to NEW |
| 02:41.48 | Throat | NEW? |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 02:43.25 | Throat | hm, so how goes stuff from new to unstable? |
| 02:44.05 | JordiGH | Yeah, the NEW queue is what the ftpmasters have to approve before it becomes part of Debian. |
| 02:44.06 | Throat | stay 6 months in new? |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | Throat: and the new version is on mentors |
| 02:44.21 | JordiGH | Uhm, hopefully less than that. Is that what the current backlog looks like? |
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| 02:44.38 | abrotman | Throat: it depends .. not always to unstable .. but the time in NEW depends on the package and the free time of the ftp-masters |
| 02:44.54 | JordiGH | Throat: I guess freeze time means the ftpmasters are busy. |
| 02:45.14 | Throat | abrotman, yes, the package is mentioned in the bug... I've seen those packages |
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| 02:45.44 | JordiGH | Oh, codeblocks has been packaged. I hadn't noticed. Nice. |
| 02:46.15 | JordiGH | Why does experimental go through NEW? |
| 02:46.25 | Throat | I guess none of you is running amd64 either and could test the fix? |
| 02:46.26 | JordiGH | I thought that was meant to be a free-for-all playground? |
| 02:46.44 | JordiGH | Throat: I am... And many others are... but what is it you want me to test? |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | thinks someone wasn't paying attention |
| 02:47.21 | Throat | JordiGH, someone packaged libemf ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=417538 ) and ... |
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| 02:47.55 | Throat | the ITP ends with Bart Martens saying that it doesn't build for amd64 - the chappie who did it used a fix from fedora |
| 02:47.56 | JordiGH | And you want me to test the package... |
| 02:48.02 | Throat | and then 6 months nobody answered |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | Throat: append the bug .. |
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| 02:48.16 | abrotman | Throat: AFAICT .. libemf isn't even in the waiting list on mentors |
| 02:48.41 | Throat | abrotman, "append"? append what to? |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | the ITP |
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| 02:49.00 | abrotman | ask what the freaking status is .. see if bartm retested on amd64 |
| 02:49.10 | Throat | ok, can do |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | having JordiGH test it won't do squat |
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| 02:49.22 | abrotman | !phillysmite dcnoye |
| 02:49.23 | dpkg | smites dcnoye with a bucket of Schuylkill River water |
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| 02:50.01 | castingcrowns | Hi, I got an encryption mounting issue. How can I mount a luks encrypted container without the use of root? Is this possible? |
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| 02:50.47 | Throat | as you see this ITP is already riddled with pings from me about the status |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | Throat: and FWIW .. you could have tested in qemu IIRC |
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| 02:51.18 | abrotman | yes .. seems that way |
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| 02:51.30 | Throat | one more won't hurt then :) |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | no .. i meant that it seems you could test it in qemu |
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| 02:52.01 | lethargik | hey guys, I moved a file over to my samba shared foler from another users folder, but now i cant see the file from my win machine. what do the permissions need to be on that? I already set myself as owner. |
| 02:52.12 | dcnoye_ | abrotman: phillysmite ? |
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| 02:52.17 | roe_ | anyone know how to configure twinview to have separate framebuffers? |
| 02:52.20 | dcnoye_ | wth? |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | dcnoye_: fix your ISP! |
| 02:53.13 | dcnoye_ | abrotman: not my isp, my bloodly wireless, |
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| 02:53.19 | Throat | possibly... never used qemu, though.... hey, there might be even ready-made debian images for qemu - I know there existed such images for vmware (perhaps not Debian ones, but already-installed-systems non-the-less ) |
| 02:53.31 | abrotman | dcnoye_: move *closer* :) |
| 02:53.38 | squisher | can anyone recommend me a place to get a docbook template for a man page? |
| 02:53.52 | dcnoye_ | *sigh ok |
| 02:53.59 | Gigantic | lol |
| 02:54.19 | Throat | dcnoye_, build your own antenna! ;) |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | except i think the i386 installer just crashed |
| 02:54.34 | abrotman | oh .. there it goes |
| 02:54.46 | dcnoye_ | give me a break i live in a cave(almost) |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | must be from scranton |
| 02:55.25 | dcnoye_ | nope, state college |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | sorry .. but if you could get me some Dreamsicle from the Creamery .. i'd be much happier :) |
| 02:56.09 | dcnoye_ | i'll email you one : |
| 02:56.11 | dcnoye_ | ;D |
| 02:56.26 | dcnoye_ | anyways, ttyl ciao |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | thinks qemu does not emulate other architectures very well |
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| 02:57.38 | Throat | I thought vmware for linux is also somewhat freeish these days? |
| 02:57.52 | abrotman | i have no idea if vmware can do oother arches |
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| 02:58.22 | JordiGH | Throat: It can, and I think it's gratis, but not free. |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | vmware server is |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | but i still don't know that you can do a 64bit guest on a 32bit system |
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| 02:59.29 | Throat | JordiGH, yes... "freeish" :) You also get to see the source, I think |
| 02:59.37 | Throat | hmm |
| 02:59.38 | Sebboh | Quick question regarding ssh (actually PKI).. If I have a private key generated on linux box Bob, can I copy/import/use it with putty? (which is a common windows ssh client. The private key file format is.. non-standard?) |
| 02:59.45 | abrotman | Throat: i don't think so |
| 02:59.59 | squisher | Throat, I'd recommend VirtualBox, which is free and very easy to use |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | Sebboh: yes, and putty runs on linux too |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | squisher: can it emulate another architecture ? |
| 03:00.27 | squisher | not sure about that, abrotman, let me have a look |
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| 03:00.34 | Throat | abrotman, maybe... maybe not - after all the processor is amd64 |
| 03:00.37 | abrotman | why doesn't anyone actually read the context ? |
| 03:00.38 | Throat | bochs could do it |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | thought bochs was long dead |
| 03:00.51 | Throat | dunno if that supports amd64, though |
| 03:00.51 | squisher | abrotman, I joined after the discussion started....? |
| 03:01.04 | Sebboh | abrotman, afaik the putty for linux does not come from the same codebase as putty for windows. And, got a link for using the foreign private key with the windows putty? |
| 03:01.06 | abrotman | squisher: i was just talking about it! :) |
| 03:01.17 | pipeline | Sebboh: I'd be very surprised if putty's key agent won't use openssh keys, seeing as putty is based upon openssh. |
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| 03:01.46 | squisher | abrotman, oops :-) you're right... and no, it can't. |
| 03:01.59 | Sebboh | pipeline: you're surprised, then. ;) ..So was I. Apparently, putty uses some propietary ppk |
| 03:01.59 | JordiGH | wants to deprecate the "gratis" meaning of "free", seeing how we already have a perfectly good English word to say "gratis": gratis. |
| 03:02.21 | Throat | Sebboh, well, did you try it already and want to know if it should have worked? |
| 03:02.32 | Sebboh | pipeline: Whoops, hit enter too early.. was saying, ..."ppk" file format. |
| 03:02.34 | squisher | JordiGH, hehe... I don't think gratis is a commonly used word in English though |
| 03:03.04 | Throat | "he came out of jail and was gratis" |
| 03:03.09 | Throat | mmm |
| 03:03.15 | squisher | haha |
| 03:03.19 | Sebboh | Throat: I was looking for someone who has already seen the problem I'm talking about and has already found a solution. |
| 03:03.32 | JordiGH | squisher: It's not common, but it's in all English dictionaries I've looked. |
| 03:03.39 | jaggz | xen install is deleting my grub/menu.lst kopt line: kopt=root=/dev/mapper/pdc_dcfjeagfd4 ro |
| 03:04.02 | Gigantic | gratis is officially an English word now |
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| 03:04.09 | Gigantic | Read teh Collins |
| 03:04.13 | Gigantic | *the |
| 03:04.14 | jaggz | that's the device I use my fake-raid mirror |
| 03:04.39 | Sebboh | throat, pipeline, abrotman: Whoops, I asked a FAQ: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/faq.html#faq-ssh2-keyfmt ..so I'm all done now. :) |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | you bastard! |
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| 03:05.16 | roe | I have two monitors setup, and I want to run two separate X sessions |
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| 03:05.31 | jaggz | I have that root= line on each of my menu.lst kernel lines .. but it's overwriting ALL of them |
| 03:05.40 | jaggz | with rppt=/dev/sda4 |
| 03:05.51 | jaggz | tr/p/o/ |
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| 03:08.17 | jaggz | reboot |
| 03:08.30 | andrew2325 | i've got a networking problem. i have this computer set up as a router, and i am trying to get a computer behind it to access the net. it is not working. |
| 03:09.12 | andrew2325 | i have my /etc/network/interfaces set up right... i can't even ping the router. |
| 03:09.27 | andrew2325 | or i think i do |
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| 03:09.44 | andrew2325 | any ideas? |
| 03:09.48 | streuner__ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 03:09.49 | judd | streuner__: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-15 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-1 |
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| 03:11.50 | abrotman | grabs damog's ass |
| 03:12.03 | damog | feeds abrotman whiskas |
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| 03:12.10 | abrotman | yay |
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| 03:15.35 | abrotman | Throat: this does not go very quickly |
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| 03:16.18 | abrotman | Throat: i better get a cookie! |
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| 03:17.24 | Throat | abrotman, what does? |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | qemu of amd64 on a p4 |
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| 03:17.47 | abrotman | a 32bit p4 |
| 03:17.50 | Throat | there is indeed a ready-made qemu system: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/amd64/ |
| 03:17.57 | abrotman | damn you! |
| 03:18.02 | Throat | I'm just getting that one |
| 03:18.11 | Throat | you didn't say you wanted to try yourself |
| 03:18.16 | abrotman | i'll probably be done installing by the time i would have downloaded it |
| 03:18.22 | screamingbytes | anyone know of any cheapy laptops at frys that are linux compliant? |
| 03:18.23 | Throat | else I'd have told you ... |
| 03:18.31 | abrotman | Throat: so you're doing the testing ? |
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| 03:18.42 | abrotman | !tell screamingbytes about laptop |
| 03:18.42 | Throat | trying... but I'm on my laptop |
| 03:18.48 | abrotman | so am i! |
| 03:18.52 | _anyone | screamingbytes: Acer extensa 5220 |
| 03:19.02 | Throat | so I'll see if I can do it remotely on the university system |
| 03:19.23 | _anyone | works fine with lenny (except atheros WiFi) |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | that's kind of an important part |
| 03:19.50 | abrotman | did you try the ath5k and madwifi ? did you get the cvs of the ath9k ? |
| 03:20.08 | screamingbytes | ty _anyone |
| 03:20.13 | _anyone | I tried all incl ndiswrapper |
| 03:20.22 | screamingbytes | ty abrotman but I knew bout those sites |
| 03:20.35 | _anyone | guess I have to wait for the recetly released ath driver by atheros self in new kernels |
| 03:20.53 | abrotman | you tried ath9k too ? |
| 03:20.56 | _anyone | ATM I have an Wifi USB stick |
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| 03:21.42 | Throat | abrotman, but you could run the amd64 installer in a 32bit qemu? |
| 03:21.43 | _anyone | I tried about a half years ago, with every tricks madwifi site had to offer - dunno if something changed in meanwhile |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | Throat: uhm .. qemu can emulate amd64 CPU |
| 03:22.09 | abrotman | _anyone: ath9k is pretty new .. what is the chipset ? |
| 03:22.17 | Asymmetry | So, my latest experimental excursion to Ubuntu's server release has yielded the following pearl of wisdom: |
| 03:22.29 | Asymmetry | I hope you know how to use the GRUB prompt. |
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| 03:22.53 | Throat | aha, download finished |
| 03:23.05 | abrotman | Asymmetry: do you know how to use #ubuntu ? |
| 03:23.10 | Throat | oh, but it's an etch |
| 03:23.43 | _anyone | abrotman: thx, but I have no time to hack the driver ATM, maybe later |
| 03:23.43 | scientes | how do i blacklist a ethnet port/card so it is never used |
| 03:23.43 | Asymmetry | abrotman, I sure do. That comment wasn't for #ubuntu. I thought it might be entertaining, nothing more. |
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| 03:23.43 | scientes | it fes everything up when it spontaneouslyturns on after me having downed it |
| 03:23.56 | scientes | buggy driver i guess |
| 03:24.14 | scientes | but i do ifconfig eth1 down over alot |
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| 03:29.03 | Throat | abrotman, what are you installing? The image is etch - probably lenny would be more useful(?) |
| 03:29.14 | abrotman | i am installing etch |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | it might be done by bed time :) |
| 03:29.23 | abrotman | erm . installing lenny |
| 03:29.27 | abrotman | is getting sleepy |
| 03:29.29 | enouf | scientes: i suppose removing the card itself is too much work? |
| 03:29.38 | scientes | ill do that |
| 03:29.45 | streuner | hands abrotman a coffee |
| 03:30.03 | abrotman | f that |
| 03:30.07 | enouf | scientes: offhand, see man ethtool, and man setpci .. |
| 03:30.25 | Throat | abrotman, haha... it's fscking the virtual disk because the virtual disk has gone without checking for 464 days |
| 03:30.36 | abrotman | yay |
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| 03:31.22 | enouf | spikes streuner 's coffee offering with some unknown adult beverage :-p |
| 03:31.49 | enouf | s/unknown/yet to be determined |
| 03:32.03 | abrotman | and after you mix with coffee .. probably wouldn't be able to tell anyways |
| 03:32.05 | Throat | unknown adult beverage... is that like "unnamed meat"? |
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| 03:32.35 | abrotman | Throat: are you going to dist-upgrade yours ? |
| 03:32.38 | Throat | hm, no network |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:33.02 | Throat | that's a "no" for now |
| 03:33.14 | Throat | eth0 is up, though |
| 03:33.40 | keanu | I'm back. I'm having trouble deleting a few files with symbols in them. tried tab complete and wildcards for the file, and it said no such file or directory. trying to remove the directory said that it isn't empty. I ran fsck, and it found some errors, but after it was finished, it was still having problems |
| 03:33.59 | abrotman | what is the file name ? |
| 03:34.08 | keanu | oh, hi abrotman |
| 03:34.11 | Throat | keanu, he! you said it's working now |
| 03:34.23 | keanu | Throat, I did? |
| 03:34.27 | abrotman | holy mother this is slow |
| 03:35.01 | Throat | well perhaps misread you: <keanu> now it's running :) |
| 03:35.12 | keanu | fsck is running :P |
| 03:35.29 | keanu | was having problems getting it to run before - it kept saying that the drive was in use, even though it was unmounted |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | you're trying to delete files while fsck is running ? |
| 03:35.55 | keanu | bad choice of words =/ meant fsck was running |
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| 03:36.07 | keanu | can't delete files when the drive isn't mounted |
| 03:37.02 | keanu | then again...i can't delete them when it is =/ |
| 03:37.06 | Throat | scratches his head, as dhclient within quemu receives an offer, but all outside hosts still cannot be reached |
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| 03:37.58 | Throat | keanu, does ls -lb still look the same? |
| 03:38.04 | keanu | Throat, yeah |
| 03:38.34 | keanu | question marks for the first 6 columns |
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| 03:39.23 | Throat | did fsck find someting? |
| 03:40.07 | Throat | ha, I can ping my dhcp-server and probably "router" |
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| 03:40.29 | keanu | it found a few things, mentioning how the .. directory didn't exist for a few directories (or something to that affect - i had to restart my laptop, so i don't have it verbatim) |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | borrows some CPU from Throat |
| 03:41.40 | Throat | 64 or 32 bit? |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | i'm not sure if it matters! |
| 03:42.29 | Throat | hm, great, this japanese page says "You can ping 10.0.2.2" - yes, that's true, that's my "router" |
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| 03:42.49 | abrotman | eh .. wtf |
| 03:42.49 | keanu | 32 i think...it's inside a DNS-323 (sort of like an NAS, I suppose) |
| 03:43.07 | Throat | keanu, didn't mean you |
| 03:43.11 | keanu | oh |
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| 03:43.13 | keanu | whoops |
| 03:43.49 | Throat | I think if fsck can't fix it you might have to live with it.... can't think of anything else right now |
| 03:44.01 | abrotman | rm -r containing_folder/ |
| 03:44.09 | Throat | maybe |
| 03:44.09 | abrotman | what was the filename ? |
| 03:44.30 | Throat | the point was that ls -l shows question marks for size etc. etc. |
| 03:44.37 | abrotman | that's filesystem badness |
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| 03:44.39 | abrotman | usually |
| 03:44.41 | Throat | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? broken-file\303\245-stripped-regular-chars.txt |
| 03:44.49 | keanu | abchirk, rm -r didn't work - complained that it wasn't empty |
| 03:45.00 | abrotman | keanu: on the directory .. not the file |
| 03:45.11 | abrotman | meh .. nevermind |
| 03:45.12 | keanu | abrotman, i know ;) |
| 03:45.22 | keanu | it complained that the directory wasn't empty |
| 03:45.26 | abrotman | what filesystem is the file on ? |
| 03:45.29 | keanu | ext3 |
| 03:45.34 | abrotman | fsck it again! |
| 03:45.39 | keanu | fsck -f? |
| 03:45.57 | keanu | well, fsck.ext3 -f? |
| 03:46.01 | abrotman | Throat: no one here has lenny/amd64 ? |
| 03:46.11 | Throat | abrotman, you got network, though? |
| 03:46.35 | abrotman | uhm .. not done installing yet! |
| 03:46.46 | Throat | no netinstall then? |
| 03:46.56 | Throat | or in the pre-net phase of netinstall |
| 03:47.09 | abrotman | i am doing the netinst! |
| 03:47.13 | abrotman | it's still installing packages |
| 03:48.42 | Throat | well - JordiGH perhaps and I remember you saying something like it'd do zilf if he tested it? |
| 03:49.44 | abrotman | still going!@ |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | Throat: i bet it would go faster if i would plug in the laptop .. DOH! |
| 03:58.32 | Throat | abrotman, you'll finish before I figure how you get network on that thing :) |
| 03:58.48 | Throat | but I'm rebooting with -net options! |
| 03:58.52 | epsilon | I had etch/64 |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | need lenny or sid |
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| 04:02.25 | abrotman | Throat: this is taking way too long |
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| 04:07.20 | DavidCraft | I did a dpkg on server-xorg, it did not ask me about video modes and that is what I need to set up. Why didn't it ask? |
| 04:07.35 | abrotman | on lenny it's supposed to be autoguessed now |
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| 04:15.10 | abrotman | Throat: nope .. giving up .. |
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| 04:15.27 | abrotman | Throat: if you still don't get it by tomorrow .. let me know and i'll do it again |
| 04:15.55 | Throat | abrotman, ok, thanks - I'll try to get the network up on this... main problem seems to be that I never ever used qemu :) |
| 04:16.19 | abrotman | Throat: you shouldn't have to do anything .. IIRC it NATs by default |
| 04:16.48 | abrotman | Throat: just remind me tomorrow evening .. i'll start it again |
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| 04:17.54 | Throat | yes... I found something from 2005 where you had to set up the nat yourself -but the same file from the packagage just starts up an IP - which shoul...... aha damn me - which is not in the correct private net |
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| 04:22.27 | xbj_A21m | hi, I'm still having some trouble with the Fn keys on my thinkpad |
| 04:22.55 | xbj_A21m | they usually work but sometimes will just stop working, although the scripts they point to continue to work |
| 04:23.28 | xbj_A21m | I've narrowed it down some; removing and re-inserting the thinkpad_acpi module brings the Fn keys back |
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| 04:23.52 | xbj_A21m | any ideas why thinkpad_acpi would die like that? |
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| 04:25.05 | Throat | dmesg? |
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| 04:26.01 | xbj_A21m | I couldn't see anything in dmesg that I could make sense of, and I guess I'll have to wait for the keys to fail again to re-check it |
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| 04:26.37 | Throat | I dunno, if dmesg doesn't say anything that gives you a hint... |
| 04:26.59 | Throat | or /var/log messages |
| 04:27.31 | Throat | hm, or is this something that should turn up errors in the xorg log? |
| 04:27.40 | Throat | it might... |
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| 04:29.34 | enouf | xbj_A21m: uname -r |
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| 04:29.54 | Supaplex | screen -r |
| 04:29.55 | xbj_A21m | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 04:29.58 | Supaplex | woops. already here. |
| 04:30.02 | xbj_A21m | ha |
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| 04:30.38 | xbj_A21m | also hi enouf, I think you helped me before with something |
| 04:30.58 | enouf | xbj_A21m: when they fail, try hitting the insert key - /msg dpkg insert (this is just a guess though) |
| 04:31.09 | enouf | xbj_A21m: seen #ibmthinkpad? /msg alis list <channels> |
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| 04:31.54 | xbj_A21m | well I use them rarely so they could break and I wouldn't know it for hours |
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| 04:41.09 | Throat | enouf, "/msg alis list <channels>?" that supposed to replace /list? |
| 04:42.05 | DavidCraft | since xorg doesnt store teh possible screen rezzes any more, where are they stored? |
| 04:42.33 | Throat | ah, I see |
| 04:43.00 | xbj_A21m | you can still define them in xorg.conf |
| 04:43.12 | xbj_A21m | but as to your question, I don't know |
| 04:43.20 | Throat | hardcoded? |
| 04:43.26 | DavidCraft | hmm |
| 04:43.47 | xbj_A21m | I think there is a set of files that xorg references now, for all known monitors etc. |
| 04:44.03 | xbj_A21m | I really don't know though |
| 04:44.27 | xbj_A21m | if I have a xorg problem I usually just boot up a live CD of an older distro and copy that xorg.conf, heh |
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| 04:45.17 | enouf | Throat: something like that, ask the brains over in #freenode |
| 04:45.35 | gaizka | sup guys? |
| 04:47.17 | Throat | enouf, good to know... *I* wouldn't have thought of messaging a random guy about the channel list... |
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| 05:16.01 | sylarr | o man, |
| 05:16.12 | sylarr | what's the package name of xlib? |
| 05:16.37 | karsten | !tell sylarr about search |
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| 05:18.38 | sylarr | karsten, ok |
| 05:18.56 | SJrX | I'm getting these errors when I attempt to install maple, I notice that I don't have an LD_LIBRARY_PATH by default. I wonder if even setting them now will work: http://pastebin.com/m7568effe |
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| 05:29.31 | SJrX | Is there some reason why I can't symlink my homefolder somewhere else? |
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| 05:31.21 | Throat | no |
| 05:31.39 | Livingroom | what do i do to manually edit the apt-get sources list? i forgot where it's stored. |
| 05:31.48 | dacs | i installed mysql 5 and i am having alot of trouble with it, i would like to completely remove it and reinstall it. should i use aptitude purge |
| 05:32.01 | xbj_A21m | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:32.06 | xbj_A21m | Livingroom |
| 05:32.30 | Livingroom | ty |
| 05:32.39 | dacs | Livingroom: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:32.42 | Livingroom | also: what can i do to ask apt what installable packages are available? |
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| 05:33.13 | xbj_A21m | apt-cache search searchtermgoeshere |
| 05:33.54 | Livingroom | awesome THANKS |
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| 05:39.18 | enouf | !tell Livingroom -about grounding |
| 05:39.40 | Livingroom | enouf, my problem is that i'm actually on maemo- and it has no onboard manpages :( |
| 05:40.21 | enouf | nfc |
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| 05:40.31 | Livingroom | nfc? |
| 05:41.20 | enouf | !nfc |
| 05:41.20 | dpkg | it has been said that nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 05:43.51 | enouf | dpkg: nfc =~ s/. National Football Conference/, or No Fucken Comment .. or maybe National Football Conference/ |
| 05:43.51 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
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| 05:47.24 | Supaplex | SystemFAILURE: time to upgrade off windows eh? |
| 05:47.47 | SystemFAILURE | Supaplex:: lol |
| 05:48.19 | SystemFAILURE | Just joined here to tell jpinx and Lagbolt that I installed Debian and said 'bye bye' to Ubuntu and I'm *very happy* of this |
| 05:48.40 | Lagbolt | :) good job SystemFAILURE |
| 05:48.50 | SystemFAILURE | Lagbolt:: :) |
| 05:49.19 | SystemFAILURE | W the red spiral |
| 05:49.46 | SystemFAILURE | mmh just one thing |
| 05:50.02 | SystemFAILURE | XChat isn't in the tray icon too |
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| 05:50.15 | SystemFAILURE | (and , there are NO tray icons) |
| 05:50.21 | SystemFAILURE | Why ? |
| 05:51.29 | Supaplex | what window manager are you running? |
| 05:51.37 | SJrX | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.41 | Supaplex | I don't even have a tray. openbox3 doesn't need it. |
| 05:51.56 | SystemFAILURE | Supaplex:: Gnome & Metacity |
| 05:53.47 | SystemFAILURE | Supaplex:: of course i tryed adding a notify area but no trayicons are shown |
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| 05:57.05 | Supaplex | well, good luck. I'm not sure how. |
| 05:57.05 | Throat | SystemFAILURE, why are you happy with this? |
| 05:57.14 | SystemFAILURE | Supaplex:: okay |
| 05:57.19 | Supaplex | continues chowing down on black pepper sun chips |
| 05:57.46 | xbj_A21m | black pepper sun chips?? |
| 05:57.48 | Supaplex | dpkg: where's my bluetooth adapter dangits?!?$*!# |
| 05:57.49 | xbj_A21m | I have to try those |
| 05:57.50 | dpkg | i don't know, Supaplex |
| 05:57.57 | SystemFAILURE | Throat:: 'cause I immediately saw Debian *MUCH MORE* stable , fast and WhateverINeed than Ubuntu or any other *NIX distribution I tryed |
| 05:58.10 | Livingroom | continues levelling his priest towards 80 despite needing to fix a multitude of stuff |
| 05:58.36 | Supaplex | Livingroom: take the elevator ;) |
| 05:58.52 | Livingroom | lol |
| 05:58.55 | Livingroom | i wish. |
| 05:58.59 | Livingroom | it takes so damn long to level now |
| 05:59.06 | Livingroom | what with the 1.6m XP requirement per level |
| 05:59.17 | roe_ | I have a perl program that takes a file as an argument. I need to run this file against everyfile in a dir |
| 05:59.24 | Throat | hm, I thought linux generally was running rather "stable" (if we're talkikng of no crashes and with the exception of some X problems) |
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| 06:00.34 | Edgardoweb | jejeej |
| 06:00.34 | Throat | "for i in * ; do program $i; done"? |
| 06:00.42 | Edgardoweb | pasen la data |
| 06:00.43 | mhymn_ | roe_: #perl #bash .. ? |
| 06:01.20 | roe_ | it is a perl script, ideally a bash one liner to execute said scrit |
| 06:01.29 | Throat | roe_, ^^ |
| 06:01.31 | Supaplex | perl -e 'while(<>){eval $_;}' /dev/urandom |
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| 06:03.52 | roe_ | thanks |
| 06:04.28 | Throat | roe_, also, most of these questions should be answered in here: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ |
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| 06:07.13 | Throat | roe_, like also in this case, http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ/015 |
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| 06:10.12 | Livingroom | !dpkg ethercap |
| 06:12.29 | Supaplex | ! |
| 06:12.32 | Supaplex | !test |
| 06:12.32 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:12.58 | ham5 | !kick Supaplex in the head |
| 06:12.59 | dpkg | kicks Supaplex in the head in the crotch. |
| 06:13.08 | Supaplex | !lart ham5 |
| 06:13.08 | dpkg | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps ham5 |
| 06:13.37 | Livingroom | !lart everyone |
| 06:13.38 | dpkg | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to everyone, and goes postal |
| 06:13.49 | Livingroom | hmm |
| 06:13.51 | Livingroom | i have a shotgun |
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| 06:13.55 | Livingroom | i could return fire |
| 06:14.00 | Livingroom | with #7.5 birdshot |
| 06:14.05 | Livingroom | or 00 buck. |
| 06:14.11 | Throat | pixiessmite Supaplex |
| 06:14.15 | Throat | ops |
| 06:14.17 | Throat | !pixiessmite Supaplex |
| 06:14.17 | Livingroom | lol |
| 06:14.17 | dpkg | levitates Supaplex |
| 06:14.22 | Throat | where is your mind :) |
| 06:14.24 | Throat | or mine |
| 06:15.08 | Livingroom | ahh, dpkg. the omnipresent bot that knows all the answers to all the questions, even those of life, the universe: and everything. ever a faithful protector of #debian, for 10+ years now. |
| 06:15.12 | Livingroom | where would we be without him? |
| 06:15.43 | Throat | but the answer is easy, the question is the problem |
| 06:15.45 | Throat | !42 |
| 06:15.45 | dpkg | hmm... 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 06:16.05 | Multiply | :( I was multiplied. |
| 06:16.15 | Supaplex | haha |
| 06:16.21 | Throat | hehe |
| 06:16.25 | Multiply | Some bots are so rude to me. |
| 06:16.31 | Throat | and god said: go forth and multiply |
| 06:16.38 | Multiply | I will! |
| 06:16.54 | Throat | forth is not fashionable anymore, though |
| 06:17.01 | Supaplex | bacteria multiply by dividing |
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| 06:17.05 | Throat | it's all C or C++ these days |
| 06:17.07 | Multiply | It kinda woke me up, getting highlighted. |
| 06:17.09 | Livingroom | the act of multiplying is fun and easy. finding someone to multiply with though, is another story. |
| 06:17.25 | Multiply | Setting here, getting bored of programming this ugly forum design up. |
| 06:17.39 | Livingroom | so |
| 06:17.43 | Livingroom | who here likes windows vista? |
| 06:18.18 | Supaplex | bright orange hair is so out. |
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| 06:19.17 | Livingroom | wootpally. |
| 06:19.19 | Throat | depends, if it's all she's wearing and she's hot, I'd bear with it |
| 06:19.26 | Livingroom | haha |
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| 06:19.30 | Livingroom | orange hair is ~ |
| 06:19.37 | Livingroom | but deep crimson, almost purple hair is suhweet |
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| 06:20.53 | Throat | "who is Peer and why is he resetting my connection" |
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| 06:21.23 | roe_ | so I have a whole bunch of file in dirs and subdirs, etc. There is a hex char "efbbbf" somewhere that I need to find, any thoughts? |
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| 06:21.53 | Throat | most of my thoughts are on sex |
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| 06:23.35 | Throat | roe_, put them in a file, use fgrep -f file and find |
| 06:24.03 | roe_ | well fgrep grep the hex values of the chars |
| 06:24.07 | roe_ | will |
| 06:24.30 | Throat | chars |
| 06:24.43 | Throat | put them in a file with a hexeditor |
| 06:25.26 | roe_ | yes, I have been looking at them (one at a time) in emacs hex mode but I was hoping to do it a little more programmatically |
| 06:26.12 | Throat | that's not what I suggested |
| 06:26.34 | roe_ | then I'm not sure what "put them in a file" means |
| 06:26.58 | Throat | write them in a file so you don't have to figure out how to write "efbbbf" on the command line |
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| 06:27.21 | Throat | grep -f file will read patterns from file |
| 06:27.43 | muhoo | i installed a lenny variant (debian-eee), and i'm getting this with mutt and rsync: http://restivo.nfshost.com/misc/ugly-fonts.png . what could be causing that? |
| 06:27.51 | muhoo | s/rsyc/rxvt/ |
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| 06:40.51 | Throat | roe_, I meant something like find . -type f -exec fgrep -f /tmp/filewithmychars '{}' + |
| 06:40.58 | Throat | or possibly |
| 06:41.37 | Throat | find . -type f -exec fgrep -f $'\xEF\xBB\xBB' '{}' + |
| 06:42.05 | Throat | mind, that hex words can swap the bytes or not, depending on your architecture |
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| 06:43.28 | roe_ | it didn't like that, fgrep: ï»»: No such file or directory |
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| 06:45.35 | roe_ | no -f |
| 06:46.43 | stoned | http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/showresults.php <-- Congratulations! The test has found no vulnerabilities in your browser! YAY Iceweasel! |
| 06:47.06 | Throat | roe_, yes, no f in that case |
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| 06:56.32 | roe_ | I hate windows webdev programs with a passion |
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| 07:03.33 | Supaplex | roe_: good :) |
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| 07:04.58 | asc | If one installed a 2.4 kernel in e.g. Etch, would it still work? |
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| 07:05.58 | Supaplex | it might. but the release notes suggest otherwise. |
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| 07:06.56 | asc | Hm. |
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| 07:08.10 | esthar | I think my system has been breached. One of my users has a hidden directory in his home dir that takes advanatage of some sort of unicode exploit to hide which seems to have, like... scanner files. dict lists... |
| 07:08.29 | esthar | I can get to it as root by typing "cd \ /" in the home dir of the user |
| 07:09.02 | esthar | I've talked with the user to check in, and he knows nothing about it and i trust him. What should I do to research this further? |
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| 07:09.57 | nirupama | I have a database in one font |
| 07:09.59 | Lagbolt | esthar, is it possible the dir was created by accident? what is in it? what are the permissions? what is the mod date? is there anything in the users history that is related? |
| 07:10.16 | nirupama | and i want to convert it into another but when i convert them it shows all garbage |
| 07:10.26 | nirupama | how to do the conversion myself |
| 07:10.31 | nirupama | any help on this |
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| 07:59.39 | Status | does anyone here have a diskless debian over nfs setup that could help me out with a problem? |
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| 08:00.38 | acemi | Status: what is the problem |
| 08:01.48 | Status | well..i followed some online doc on how to do this...i already got damn small linux setup on it (memory image only)...i can mount the nfs share normally but when i boot it just hangs saying nfs is not available over tcp |
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| 08:02.26 | muhoo | \ |
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| 08:03.12 | Status | if i boot into debian and mount it manually it works..so nfs is working for sure |
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| 08:03.41 | acemi | did you comment the allow-hotplug or auto line for ethernet in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:03.43 | Status | it shows that it gets an ip..even shows me the gateway and all that stuff..but won't mount..keep trying and trying forever |
| 08:03.51 | Status | acemi yes |
| 08:04.40 | Status | the only auto there is for lo and for eth0 the only line i left is: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 08:04.46 | Status | as it says on the doc.. |
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| 08:05.35 | acemi | this is the interfaces file of client, isn't it? |
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| 08:06.11 | Status | uhum |
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| 08:08.07 | Status | i was taking a look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
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| 08:08.36 | Status | on the doc I've read it asks to change the line BOOT=local into BOOT=nfs to create the initrd |
| 08:09.05 | Status | but there's also a line in there MODULES=most and comments about netboot for that line...could it be because of this? |
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| 08:16.35 | pirx_ | hi! i have seen some debian packages where the user is asked to answer a few questions on installation. i think it usually was some blue curses screens. is that in any way part of the apt package system (those question-interfaces), or was it probably simply that the postinst script started some other script/command that has nothing to do with apt itself? |
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| 08:20.56 | Lagbolt | pirx_, i dont know the total answer to that. but those screens appear as a result of dpkg. i assume the script that brings up those dialogs is included in the package installed and executed during dpkg configure |
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| 08:23.38 | Lagbolt | pirx_, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 08:23.39 | pirx_ | is it bad practice to use python scripts in debian packages? |
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| 08:23.56 | Lagbolt | or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 |
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| 08:26.12 | pirx_ | Lagbolt: good links, thanks. will look at the policy manual |
| 08:27.06 | pirx_ | hmm, does python usually come with a default debian desktop installation? |
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| 08:33.21 | deone | so i installed latest lenny weekly build to aspire one and half of hardware dosnt work and software is old. kernel 2.6.26, gnome 2.22, etc. dunno what to do. |
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| 08:34.51 | Lagbolt | deone, it doesnt? |
| 08:34.56 | deone | it even use old i810 intel driver which was replaced by i915 driver long ago |
| 08:35.16 | Lagbolt | what isnt working? |
| 08:35.27 | Lagbolt | there were some issues with card readers and what not with that last time i played with one |
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| 08:35.52 | Lagbolt | deone, didyou start here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
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| 08:35.54 | deone | yeah os dosnt boot with SD cards inserted |
| 08:36.20 | Lagbolt | it doesnt? i thought you couldnt use them if they were not in at boot. i need to refresh my memory |
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| 08:37.02 | deone | it stuck at "udev waiting for fully populate /dev/" message or something like that |
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| 08:37.54 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 08:38.06 | Lagbolt | what happens if sd card is not inserted? |
| 08:38.44 | deone | normal boot |
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| 08:39.37 | Lagbolt | deone, there are two readers on the aspire one right? does it fail for both? |
| 08:40.06 | deone | Lagbolt: not sure. i ussually insert 2 sd cards |
| 08:40.12 | deone | at same time |
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| 08:40.44 | Lagbolt | deone, you should try other permutations. try the right slot. leave the left slot empty |
| 08:40.55 | deone | anyway in ubuntu 8.10 it work. at least for right slot. but ubuntu is too bloated for this netbook |
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| 08:41.36 | Lagbolt | deone, i think this might be your trouble |
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| 08:41.39 | Lagbolt | The current testing and unstable kernels have trouble with memstick modules causing a soft lockup. It is advised that the modules for this are blocked. Debian bug #500058 has been raised for this issue. |
| 08:42.11 | deone | maybe i should just update from testing to unstable? |
| 08:42.16 | deone | m |
| 08:42.19 | Lagbolt | deone, read the wiki, all this is addressed including blacklisting the modules that conflict with udev |
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| 08:42.35 | Lagbolt | did you read . . . it says both testing and unstable have the problem |
| 08:42.38 | Lagbolt | there is a work around |
| 08:42.44 | deone | i see |
| 08:42.52 | Lagbolt | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne <---- read this page! ALL OF IT |
| 08:42.58 | Lagbolt | card reader is at the bottom |
| 08:43.09 | Lagbolt | well lower not all the way to the bottom |
| 08:43.36 | timob | i want to install debian from a ~600mb cd do i want the one on the ftp site called debian-40r5-i386-CD-1.iso or debian-update-4.0r5-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 08:43.52 | deone | okay. thanks. it still dosnt solve other issues. and i also want GEM support and 2.5.1 intel driver, it should increase 3D performance by like 50% |
| 08:44.15 | Lagbolt | GEM? i dont know. . . there is a section at the bottom about faster graphics rendering |
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| 08:44.44 | deone | gem is new video memory management subsytem introduced by intel in 2.6.28 kernel |
| 08:45.08 | Lagbolt | well you would need 28 kernel wouldnt ya |
| 08:45.26 | deone | i heard lenny maybe will ship with 2.6.28 kernel |
| 08:45.38 | deone | and now i installed, it even dosnt 2.6.27 |
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| 08:46.40 | deone | actually not "heard" but has read on debian site |
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| 08:52.22 | deone | probably should install gentoo instead. but ppl say its not too usable |
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| 08:59.54 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:59.59 | dacs | can someone please tell me what i am doing wrong, i am trying to add a second hdd, i mkfs ext3 /dev/hdb1 , after thats done, i mkdir foldername , then i mount /dev/hdb1 /foldername |
| 09:00.09 | gypsymauro | there is a way to delete all rows containing a string in a file? |
| 09:00.30 | dacs | i got foldername no such file-or dir |
| 09:01.18 | Aggro | dacs: Did you create foldername to the root directory? |
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| 09:01.38 | dacs | Aggro: yes |
| 09:01.42 | Aggro | dacs: Does cd /foldername work? |
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| 09:02.15 | acemi | gypsymauro: cat file | grep -v string > file2 |
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| 09:03.29 | dacs | Aggro: yes it works |
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| 09:04.05 | Aggro | dacs: I don't know what could be wrong. |
| 09:04.22 | pure | I have tried an updatedb and get an error command not found? |
| 09:04.30 | Status | people..any doc for debian netboot over nfs? |
| 09:04.39 | Status | i've been stuck on this for hours... |
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| 09:05.31 | acemi | Status: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Debian_Etch_Server_And_Diskless_EMC2_Thin_Clients |
| 09:05.34 | Status | i just tried even some smaller distro that i found called grml and it works...so i'm pretty sure it aint the nfs server..most likely these docs are missing stuff |
| 09:05.47 | Flibberdy | pure: only root or a user with similar privelges can run updatedb |
| 09:06.05 | pure | Flibberdy: yes I ran it as root |
| 09:06.31 | Flibberdy | pure: and you're sure slocate is installed? |
| 09:06.54 | pure | Flibberdy: no but I will find out soon ..:p |
| 09:07.04 | pure | apt-get install slocate |
| 09:07.09 | pure | doh |
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| 09:08.23 | pure | apparently not so I have to hunt down a list source .. thanks |
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| 09:31.04 | Alver | Hello. I'm trying to boot debian lenny in xen; according to the debian wiki, the regular 2.6.26-1-686 kernel should work. I'm getting this error however when trying to create the domU: |
| 09:31.13 | Alver | Error: (2, 'Invalid kernel', 'elf_xen_note_check: ERROR: Will only load images built for the generic loader or Linux images') |
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| 09:35.59 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:36.19 | hareldvd | what does it take to run USB wireless ethernet stick on installation with a "SMALL CD"? |
| 09:36.23 | nirupama | is there any tool available to convert from one font to another |
| 09:36.35 | nirupama | for a database |
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| 09:40.39 | shifty | sources.list: my ISP updates their Debian mirror infrequently, however the data is free (unmetered). is there any way to convince apt to pull packages from this cheap source, in preference to the canonical debian source? (I want to list two possible sources in my sources.list, but have apt download from one if possible.) |
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| 09:42.53 | segosa | /etc/apt/preferences |
| 09:43.02 | segosa | man apt_preferences |
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| 09:45.08 | shifty | segosa: ok, just one more hint please? I'm not sure what i want is possible... |
| 09:46.49 | segosa | you can give one repository higher priority over another |
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| 09:47.14 | segosa | which is what you want, isn't it |
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| 09:47.53 | shifty | i don't believe it is possible to pin to a particular SOURCE. unstable over stable, yes. but not crappy (cheap) repo over the main repository. maybe I'm missing something |
| 09:48.18 | shifty | segosa: sure, I want to prioritise, but I can't see how to do it. |
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| 09:50.04 | segosa | in that case i'm not sure |
| 09:50.17 | segosa | i've not used it much, i just thought it was probably what you were looking for :p |
| 09:50.44 | shifty | segosa: yep, it's been foxing me for a bit... :-) anyone else be free to suggest....? |
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| 09:51.32 | segosa | here |
| 09:51.33 | segosa | http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html |
| 09:51.46 | segosa | "using non-debian sources" - Pin: origin www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 09:53.31 | larno | Who is reading this? |
| 09:53.41 | larno | Any technicians? |
| 09:54.11 | simonrvn | larno: um, this is a support channel. |
| 09:54.32 | shifty | segosa: looking really good! i'm trying it now, but I don't have great hopes, because the Release files for mirrored repos in /var/lib/apt/lists/ specify "Debian". please hold,..! |
| 09:54.42 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 09:55.19 | larno | Is there a MORRIS BAILEY in here? |
| 09:56.24 | simonrvn | "Calling DR. BAILEY, calling DR. BAILEY, you are needed at the front desk." |
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| 09:57.05 | pythetic | if i have two sockets is it possible to tell the kernel to relay between them? |
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| 09:58.39 | simonrvn | !tell larno -about ask |
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| 10:00.54 | shifty | segosa: results... it forces use of the prefered source, ignoring the lower pinned variety. not exactly the desired behavior. your suggestion was spot on, however, so thank you. |
| 10:01.18 | segosa | hm |
| 10:01.39 | CaT[t3] | i just found out that lenny apt-get installs recommends by default. i've turned this off but is there a way to remove everything that wasn't installed by hand or is a dependency of something installed by hand? |
| 10:01.42 | segosa | i'm sure it's possible to get it to do what you want, but it'll probably take a bit of messing around |
| 10:01.47 | shifty | segosa: I'm moving to a new house in three months, and get to choose the ISP, so I'll just wait it out. |
| 10:02.00 | segosa | heh |
| 10:02.02 | CaT[t3] | was wondering why so much crap was getting installed :/ |
| 10:02.07 | segosa | yeah, and out-of-date packages aren't good either. |
| 10:02.54 | shifty | segosa: yeah probably. just another one of those silly things wanting to be fixed. getting married in three months, so probably shouldn't be thinking about software at that point ;-) |
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| 10:03.27 | segosa | don't apt-get your wedding from an out of date source |
| 10:04.08 | shifty | segosa: nope, compiling from source. |
| 10:04.16 | segosa | good good |
| 10:04.38 | simonrvn | CaT[t3]: ltns |
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| 10:06.18 | CaT[t3] | simon: ltns? |
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| 10:06.49 | a-9 | Hello. I don't get accents like á, ô in aterm/eterm. Any idea. (I get accents in any other xterms) |
| 10:07.00 | simonrvn | long time no see |
| 10:07.08 | CaT[t3] | simon: ah :) howdy :) |
| 10:07.19 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 10:08.20 | CaT[t3] | time to see what debfoster has to say for itself |
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| 10:10.58 | segosa | there's also deborphan |
| 10:11.09 | segosa | although i have a feeling they might be the same thing |
| 10:11.36 | segosa | or not |
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| 10:13.10 | CaT[t3] | seperate packages - will try both. debfoster is a touch... involved |
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| 10:15.11 | segosa | deborphan's just pretty simple |
| 10:15.21 | norc | Hello. Whats the easiest way to obtain the currently used bandwidth |
| 10:15.25 | norc | (overall on all devices) |
| 10:15.54 | segosa | without installing any packages? |
| 10:15.59 | norc | segosa: Yes. |
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| 10:18.16 | anddam | hello |
| 10:18.34 | norc | segosa: Or will I have to rely on iptables? |
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| 10:19.04 | segosa | I dunno, I always just use bmon. |
| 10:20.19 | norc | segosa: Alright. Gotta do it the hard way then. *grabs the bmon sources* |
| 10:21.19 | norc | uhm |
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| 10:22.39 | norc | segosa: Heh. No need. bwm-ng displays its source in the window. its /proc/net/dev |
| 10:22.49 | CaT[t3] | i think i need to do this semi-manually. get a list of recommends and a list of depends and then get a list of unique packages |
| 10:23.21 | segosa | norc: ah, nice |
| 10:23.29 | segosa | i've also always wondered if there was a way. |
| 10:23.58 | norc | segosa: well you still have to do the calculations of course. |
| 10:24.07 | segosa | well, yeah |
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| 10:26.27 | Neaai | norc: I use "iptraf" as well for quick checking on what happens in an interface. |
| 10:26.34 | peleg | pressing the "up" key I get the last command I have inserted. How can I delete this buffer? |
| 10:26.46 | norc | Neaai: well, as I said. I dont want to use any application |
| 10:27.20 | NineTeen67Comet | Hi all: Little NFS issue that's got me stumped (googled and read the manual) .. I've been using NFS for years, but tonight, it's not working here is what I get when I attempt to mount (all my clients are Ubuntu, my NFS server is Debian): .. |
| 10:27.21 | NineTeen67Comet | mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'rpc bind' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered |
| 10:27.42 | NineTeen67Comet | My fstab is 192.168.0.12:/media/shared /media/movies nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 10:28.42 | NineTeen67Comet | my exports on the server is: /media/shared 192.168.0.2(sync,subtree_check,rw) #IP for each client follows this one# |
| 10:29.16 | NineTeen67Comet | NFS (common and kernel-server) restart w/out errors .. I'm stumped .. Help? |
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| 10:29.43 | NineTeen67Comet | And I've rebooted all machines using this NFS server .. |
| 10:29.57 | NineTeen67Comet | Including the nfs server its self |
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| 10:31.42 | freddy__ | Hi - I have a problem with my webserver on debian: when I connect to it from 'outside' fx b2.example.com everything goes fine - but locally with fx 'links localhost' I cannot connect ? |
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| 10:32.31 | shifty | freddy__: proxy server? try telnet localhost 80 from the command line??? |
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| 10:33.29 | freddy__ | shifty, eksekver:/var/log/apache2# telnet localhost 80 |
| 10:33.29 | freddy__ | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 10:33.29 | freddy__ | Connected to localhost. |
| 10:33.29 | freddy__ | Escape character is '^]'. |
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| 10:33.56 | CaT[t3] | is there a way to get a list of packages manually installed? |
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| 10:34.21 | petemc | CaT[t3]: how manually? |
| 10:34.25 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t3]: aptitude search '~i!~M'; |
| 10:34.28 | shifty | freddy__: type QUIT enter, do you see HTML or nothing? |
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| 10:35.06 | freddy__ | shifty, I see 'trying 1270.0.1 connected to localhost escape character is |
| 10:35.19 | peleg | ok, history -c will do it ;-) |
| 10:35.21 | CaT[t3] | wow. aptitude might come in useful :) |
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| 10:36.13 | shifty | freddy__: firewall. |
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| 10:36.33 | freddy__ | shifty, ok - and that means ? |
| 10:36.33 | simonrvn | CaT[t3]: aptitude does funky stuff like that |
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| 10:37.13 | freddy__ | shifty, firewall on this machine or firewall on outside machine ? |
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| 10:37.34 | Mustinet | yb |
| 10:37.56 | CaT[t3] | simon: so it seems. :) |
| 10:38.01 | CaT[t3] | don: thanks for that. |
| 10:38.42 | CaT[t3] | now has 72 packages to go through to decide what to chuck out |
| 10:39.24 | shifty | freddy__: it means something is stopping your web browser from accessing the server. OR the server is not serving. check stuff - logs, firewalling (could be getting in the way). by telneting, you have established there is no interferrence from proxies, but something isn't working |
| 10:40.45 | freddy__ | shifty, super thanks - I know that it is serving so can you give me a hint to how to check the firewall ? |
| 10:41.15 | shifty | freddy__: hard question first... which firewall? |
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| 10:41.59 | freddy__ | shifty, I want to know if the debian locally is having a firewall |
| 10:42.19 | shifty | freddy__: ask the sysadmin? |
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| 10:43.30 | shifty | freddy__: i am not aware of any single test to determine if there is a firewall or not. |
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| 10:45.59 | freddy__ | shifty, ok - thanks - I thought I could check how (if) iptables is set up, somehow .. |
| 10:48.38 | shifty | freddy__: yeah, that's a whole other story! |
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| 10:51.58 | simonrvn | um, iptables -nvx -L --line-numbers | less ; that'll work only on the host .... |
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| 10:52.31 | stevil | is there perhaps a nice way to say, each package on machine X needs to be installed on machine Y ? |
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| 10:53.20 | simonrvn | !debian clone |
| 10:53.21 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 10:53.25 | CaT[t3] | well that little excercise freed up 70mb. not as much as i thought. |
| 10:53.28 | simonrvn | stevil: ^^^ |
| 10:53.31 | esteel | dpkg --get-packages > savedpkgs dpkg --set-packages < savedpkgs |
| 10:53.31 | segosa | stevil: dpkg -l | grep "^ii " | cut -d " " -f 3 > file |
| 10:53.32 | dpkg | esteel: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 10:53.39 | segosa | cat file | xargs apt-get install |
| 10:53.40 | segosa | :< |
| 10:53.44 | esteel | hmm, too slow |
| 10:53.56 | segosa | well your way is far more elegant. |
| 10:53.59 | simonrvn | um, not here... |
| 10:54.50 | simonrvn | set/get-selections is the easiest way IME |
| 10:55.29 | stevil | segosa: i tried something similar however, i'm using both the same debian verison (4.0) and getting erros that some packages are not available |
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| 10:56.31 | simonrvn | check your sources.list on both... |
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| 10:57.47 | anddam | problem: if I run x-terminal-emulator that is urxvtcd inxinitrc I get a |
| 10:57.47 | anddam | unable to connect to the rxvt-unicode daemon: Connection refused |
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| 10:58.16 | anddam | if I run rxvtd by hand it works |
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| 10:58.49 | anddam | the point is I can't see any way to pass flags to urxvtd using urxvtcd |
| 10:58.57 | anddam | all flags are passed to urxvtc |
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| 10:59.37 | anddam | any hint? |
| 11:00.06 | stevil | simonrvn: yeah i copied the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 11:00.23 | segosa | what is the history behind using the word 'hint' for 'help' |
| 11:00.26 | simonrvn | updated it? |
| 11:01.10 | frido | hi, how is it with kdm/kdm (debian/sarge) and sound (device permission). /dev/dsp is owned by root.audio with crw-rw---- permissions. I don't want to add users to audio group. If I change permissions to 777, after user's login to kdm/kde, permission are set back. Any way how to "fix" that ? I've read something about PAM and setting the owner/group to user which is actually logging in ..any idea ? |
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| 11:02.52 | simonrvn | frido: any idea why you haven't upgraded to etch yet? |
| 11:03.08 | frido | errr, sorry. etch installation |
| 11:03.21 | stevil | simonrvn: yeah i've run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:03.34 | liable | frido: udev sets em. why the hell not add them to audio group? thats silly what you are doing |
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| 11:03.51 | stevil | simonrvn: like on the old server, there is still a package called "ipchains" installed |
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| 11:04.42 | simonrvn | frido: the normal process is to add the user to that group. and don't chmod that 777. a) why should that be executable? b) why not add the user to the group? what you're doing with the chmod is insecure. |
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| 11:04.56 | liable | frido: is this thin clients or something? |
| 11:05.02 | simonrvn | so remove it. it's useless for anything beyond 2.2.x kernels |
| 11:05.03 | frido | liable: yes, thin client |
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| 11:05.56 | liable | frido: is it such a large amount that its onerous to add them to audio? |
| 11:06.04 | frido | ..because not every auth system is under my controll and is really problematic it that case when users are in different ldap systems to want to add audio group for them |
| 11:06.19 | liable | i dont really know a good way around it |
| 11:06.23 | simonrvn | if you have that many users, why aren't you using ldap, if you do have a lot |
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| 11:06.44 | simonrvn | ah, you are ;) |
| 11:07.30 | simonrvn | detatching |
| 11:07.38 | frido | possible way which I want to test now is -> "auth optional pam_group.so" in /etc/pam.d/kdm and "*;*;*;Al0000-2400;audio" in /etc/security/group.conf will give audio group privileges to users logging in using kdm. |
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| 11:10.25 | joneal | hi |
| 11:11.47 | anddam | yesterday I updated a few packages, removed some others and X fonts became a lot bigger |
| 11:12.21 | anddam | I've cleaned up Font paths, and fixed an issue I had with xfs, I put 75dpi fonts before 100dpi still fonts are too big, any hint for this? |
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| 11:16.01 | CaT[t3] | anddam: if you want to change your dbi, look in /etc/X11 |
| 11:16.10 | anddam | dpi? |
| 11:16.39 | simonrvn | frido: test? log in ;) |
| 11:16.54 | anddam | CaT[t3]: I'm not sure I want to change it because I don't know exactly what happened, anyway now it seems to have all rights fontpaths both in xorg.conf and xfs config |
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| 11:17.00 | frido | simonrvn: looks it works fine |
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| 11:17.12 | Vorbote | anddam: what version of X are you using? Why are you still using xfs? |
| 11:17.36 | anddam | Vorbote: I'm using vncserver (headless box) and I'm using xfs for legacy |
| 11:17.47 | simonrvn | frido: \o/ |
| 11:18.08 | anddam | anyway I get like ~1800 output lines from xlsfont without xfs and ~4000 with xfs, I think it shouldn't hurt |
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| 11:20.05 | anddam | Vorbote: is xfs deprecated? |
| 11:20.14 | Vorbote | anddam: OK... I was a bit flabbergasted. You don't need XFS unless you are using dumb X-Terminals (I haven'd used one since 1995 so there...) VNC or any other X server that you run in a "smart" workstation will have its own set of fonts to recourse to so there is no need to use XFS |
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| 11:21.05 | Vorbote | anddam: And XFS tends to make your life hell (as you are already dicovering :-)). |
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| 11:21.35 | anddam | Vorbote: ok, I can drop it, I took xfs config file's font directory and added to xorg.conf FontPath |
| 11:21.37 | ekontsevoy | which command/tool can quickly print out information about a disk device like /dev/sdb? (besides parted) |
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| 11:22.07 | anddam | Vorbote: but how can I make the font smaller again? |
| 11:22.27 | Vorbote | Disable XFS, run dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg, fontconfig-config and flush the fontconfig cache files (with fc-cache -r -f -s). |
| 11:23.10 | Vorbote | anddam: make sure to disable bitmap fonts for X display unless you have a really good reason not to, as well. |
| 11:23.12 | anddam | Vorbote: xfs commented in FontPath |
| 11:23.34 | anddam | Vorbote: how do I disable bitmap fonts? |
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| 11:23.52 | Vorbote | OK so run dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium fonconfig-config |
| 11:24.32 | anddam | I stopped xfs daemon too |
| 11:24.43 | Vorbote | Make sure to answer that you don't want bitmap fonts in the dialogs, follow the other defaults unless they read crazy. And deinstall xfs! |
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| 11:25.12 | Chrom_ | hi all |
| 11:25.41 | anddam | Vorbote: I'm running reconfigure on xserver-xorg, then I'll dot the fontconfig |
| 11:26.19 | Chrom_ | is anyone aware of a way to export an environment variable at bootup? I need the variable to be available also for services running without any user logged in (so bashrc /etc/profile and similar are not an option) |
| 11:27.23 | anddam | Vorbote: is your nick related to german "verboten"? |
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| 11:28.06 | anddam | Vorbote: -pmedium for fontconfig-config didn't ask anything |
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| 11:29.10 | zxxd | is PMTU on by default on linux? |
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| 11:29.48 | acemi | surekli bir metni yazra |
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| 11:30.30 | anddam | acemi: ok type it again, but slower this time... |
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| 11:32.01 | CaT[t3] | damn. gdm. pretty but takes /ages/ to start up :/ |
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| 11:32.09 | Kyoshiro | hi |
| 11:32.11 | Alver | Hello. I'm chrooted into the (LVM) filesystem of a machine and need to regenerate the initrd. How can I tell mkinitramfs to include the lvm2 tools? It doesn't detect that it needs them. |
| 11:33.10 | Kyoshiro | I've trying to install a debian etch on recent hardware (SATA controller marvell...) but I can't find a netinst debian iso with 2.6.26 |
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| 11:33.45 | Kyoshiro | or the pata-modules for the standard etch netinst CD :/ |
| 11:33.46 | anddam | Vorbote: -r doesn't appear to be an option here |
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| 11:34.36 | anddam | Vorbote: I ran reconfigure again without -pmedium, I disabled bitmap by default, and I ran fc-cache again with only -f -s |
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| 11:40.16 | frido | I have NFS root mounted and when I login to (local) root account or any "ldaps" account and execute "groups" command, it write root (or users) group and id: cannot find name for group ID 1093315113 - what's this ? |
| 11:42.14 | CaT[t3] | heh. difference between using gwm and wdm (and probably xdm): 10s |
| 11:43.13 | Chrom_ | anyone knows where to set env variables for bootup when no users are logged in? |
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| 11:44.52 | _anyone | that doesnt make sence to me |
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| 11:45.52 | Chrom_ | services need custom env variables to be exported without any user logged in |
| 11:46.28 | n0mad | help/hello electricity failure and fs error, after fs checking /etc is gone (moved to lost&found all names lost) is it possible to fix this kind of nuke ? |
| 11:46.56 | epsilon | restore backup |
| 11:47.11 | n0mad | :S heh alternatives ? |
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| 11:47.33 | epsilon | reinstall and restore config file one by one? |
| 11:48.29 | n0mad | im afraid its the only one way (i wery dislike this:S) heh can u suggest what directories is most importat for backing up ? |
| 11:48.39 | n0mad | (as i see now /etc ofc) |
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| 11:48.58 | epsilon | Chrom_: if you mean service run by init.d, edit the startup script and add any env you want |
| 11:49.09 | Kyoshiro | nobody can direct me to a site providing an "etch" netinst CD with 2.6.26 kernel ? |
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| 11:49.38 | epsilon | etch is using 2.6.18 |
| 11:49.52 | epsilon | you need to take lenny if you want .26 |
| 11:50.09 | epsilon | (or compile on your own on etch) |
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| 11:51.57 | Kyoshiro | hmmm :/ |
| 11:52.07 | k4z | Does L7-filter can handle with blocking utorrent? |
| 11:52.09 | Kyoshiro | but there are some places with "backports" |
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| 11:52.16 | Kyoshiro | like http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.25/ |
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| 11:52.48 | Kyoshiro | I hoped someone could tell me where i could find such a website with 2.6.26 ^^ |
| 11:53.27 | Kyoshiro | I suppose I should use debootstrap but I don't really know if it's overkill or not |
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| 11:54.51 | bartvk | perl |
| 11:54.53 | bartvk | sorry |
| 11:56.31 | RichiH | Kyoshiro: for all intents and purposes, you can use testing even if you want stable |
| 11:56.39 | RichiH | the release critical bugs are very few |
| 11:56.41 | RichiH | 40? |
| 11:56.44 | RichiH | something like that |
| 11:56.52 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 11:56.52 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 11:57.05 | RichiH | or that |
| 11:57.19 | valdyn | only up to 2.6.25 |
| 11:57.28 | RichiH | heh |
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| 11:58.17 | helpme | can somebody help me please? |
| 11:58.29 | helpme | bash: visudo: command not found |
| 11:58.39 | valdyn | helpme: run as root |
| 11:58.39 | Kyoshiro | RichiH, nop I can't, I have to install the exact same software versions as the production server on the preproduction server :( |
| 11:59.14 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: why cant you install the 2.6.26 kernel after debian is installed? |
| 11:59.43 | Kyoshiro | I could, but the official etch netinst Cd cannot detect hard drives |
| 11:59.50 | Kyoshiro | marvell PATA/SATA controller |
| 11:59.57 | Kyoshiro | too recent.... |
| 11:59.59 | helpme | # whoami |
| 12:00.00 | helpme | root |
| 12:00.08 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: probably just an added PCI ID |
| 12:00.10 | petemc | helpme: do you have sudo installed? |
| 12:00.18 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: the marvell driver isnt exactly new.. |
| 12:00.23 | Kyoshiro | hmm |
| 12:00.23 | helpme | xD |
| 12:00.25 | helpme | thanks :p |
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| 12:00.59 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 12:00.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom d-i is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 12:01.00 | Kyoshiro | I've found on the testing official netinsts issues page there is a pata-modules-2.6.26-1-486-di_1.72_i386.udeb |
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| 12:01.12 | Kyoshiro | but I can't find one for etch... |
| 12:01.41 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: you are installing a server to pata disks? |
| 12:01.46 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: thats kinda weird |
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| 12:01.49 | Kyoshiro | nope |
| 12:01.58 | Kyoshiro | that was for the CD rom :p |
| 12:02.08 | Kyoshiro | but it contains the driver for the whole controller |
| 12:02.35 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: a marvell pata controller with sata interface? thats also weird |
| 12:02.36 | Kyoshiro | the 1st issue is that the netinst Cd cannot mount itself ^^ |
| 12:02.49 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: thats ok, installing from cd is just one of many ways |
| 12:02.57 | Kyoshiro | yep |
| 12:03.12 | Kyoshiro | but I only have a 128MB usb disk :( |
| 12:03.23 | Kyoshiro | I tried debian-40r5-i386-businesscard.iso but no luck |
| 12:03.39 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: unplug the harddisk, plug the harddisk into a different computer as primary disk, install debian, plug it back |
| 12:04.08 | valdyn | Kyoshiro: you can install via network too |
| 12:04.11 | Kyoshiro | I suppose that should work |
| 12:04.24 | Kyoshiro | yepp I was looking into tftp+bootp+pxe |
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| 12:04.52 | Kyoshiro | but I suppose until I haven't a netinst iso with 2.6.26 I'm stuck :/ |
| 12:06.00 | epsilon | doesnt lenny netinstall have .26? |
| 12:06.21 | Kyoshiro | yes it has but I cannot downgrade lenny to etch after install I suppose :p |
| 12:06.28 | Kyoshiro | hmmm you're right valdyn |
| 12:06.34 | Kyoshiro | it's an intel controller for SATA |
| 12:06.47 | epsilon | sure you can |
| 12:06.50 | epsilon | debootstrap |
| 12:06.53 | valdyn | epsilon: oo |
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| 12:06.59 | valdyn | epsilon: thats ugly |
| 12:07.03 | Kyoshiro | so the issue with the marvell driver should not be one anymore if I install on a usb stick |
| 12:07.06 | Kyoshiro | yes I think too :) |
| 12:07.20 | Kyoshiro | that's not something to do for a preprod server I think ^^ |
| 12:07.40 | Kyoshiro | I'll try again the netinst on a usb flash drive |
| 12:07.47 | Kyoshiro | I'll keep you posted, thanks :) |
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| 12:08.10 | epsilon | or you just plug an ordinary IDE drive and install etch, then migrate to sata whatever |
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| 12:08.44 | epsilon | there is always a solution if .26 is running on your box |
| 12:08.55 | valdyn | really funny ones too |
| 12:09.05 | valdyn | like installing a virtual machine to a real disk |
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| 12:09.43 | SystemFAILURE | Hello family |
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| 12:10.52 | aprendiz001 | hello |
| 12:11.18 | SystemFAILURE | aprendiz001:: hello |
| 12:11.41 | valdyn | i didnt mean debootstrap was ugly btw, just downgrading is |
| 12:12.10 | SystemFAILURE | Hey one question |
| 12:12.47 | aprendiz001 | I have a problem with the net. Link encap: UNSPEC and HWaddr with a very large numer with many zeros at the end |
| 12:13.01 | aprendiz001 | And the last friday it was working |
| 12:13.03 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
| 12:13.10 | SystemFAILURE | While loading the Debian install disk , many boot lines are printed (such as normal boot) , but in the normal system boot (i mean , after the install , the hard-disk boot) the font is a bit larger than the install disk one |
| 12:13.14 | SystemFAILURE | How can I change it ? |
| 12:14.21 | valdyn | SystemFAILURE: the installer uses a framebuffer that is compiled into the kernel |
| 12:14.26 | valdyn | SystemFAILURE: far as i know |
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| 12:15.01 | SystemFAILURE | valdyn:: so is not a possible idea modifying that font ? |
| 12:15.03 | valdyn | SystemFAILURE: that is not the case with debian kernels |
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| 12:15.17 | valdyn | SystemFAILURE: its still possible |
| 12:15.24 | SystemFAILURE | valdyn:: well so how to ? |
| 12:15.46 | epsilon | worth doing it, you cn read any message at bootup in your /var/log/syslog |
| 12:16.19 | SystemFAILURE | epsilon:: it's not (only) for a faster reading , it's for elegance |
| 12:16.42 | epsilon | oO |
| 12:17.00 | SystemFAILURE | Maybe with the GRUB vga= option ? |
| 12:17.22 | valdyn | SystemFAILURE: yea, except that its a kernel commandline option |
| 12:17.23 | OpenTokix | anyone running an nvidia card PCI-Ex and debian lenny? - I get random freezes |
| 12:17.28 | OpenTokix | I have changed disk and gfx |
| 12:17.33 | OpenTokix | next up is motherboard |
| 12:17.40 | SystemFAILURE | valdyn:: so ? |
| 12:17.43 | valdyn | OpenTokix: and why would those random freezes be related to pci-ex ? |
| 12:17.54 | OpenTokix | valdyn: Just informing |
| 12:18.28 | valdyn | OpenTokix: every new computer has pcie, you bet plenty people use it |
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| 12:18.43 | OpenTokix | valdyn: ok =) - good you pointing that out to me. |
| 12:18.46 | jsaak | OpenTokix: try memtest |
| 12:18.49 | helpme | how do i restart networking? |
| 12:18.55 | helpme | /etc something |
| 12:18.56 | OpenTokix | jsaak: done and done, no errors - ran for 60 hours+ |
| 12:19.03 | epsilon | PCIe(xpress) != PCI-X |
| 12:19.26 | buu | helpme: /etc/init.d/network ? |
| 12:19.26 | jsaak | tough luck |
| 12:19.26 | SystemFAILURE | helpme:: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:19.28 | valdyn | OpenTokix: freezes are pretty much no info as far as debugging your issue is concerned, try getting *some* kind of info |
| 12:19.29 | OpenTokix | I mean PCI Express, to clearify |
| 12:19.31 | aprendiz001 | I have an error on my net: link encap: UNSPEC |
| 12:19.39 | aprendiz001 | on friday was wotking fine |
| 12:19.39 | OpenTokix | valdyn: yeah, any ideas? |
| 12:19.48 | aprendiz001 | any idea for that? |
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| 12:19.58 | valdyn | OpenTokix: np, both is widespread enough and both dont really matter as far as linux is concerned |
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| 12:20.40 | valdyn | !serial console |
| 12:20.44 | valdyn | uh |
| 12:21.10 | valdyn | OpenTokix: get /var/log/messages watched on a serial console or at least via network |
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| 12:22.13 | valdyn | OpenTokix: or just change the kernel, without learning about the issue, but if that helps, thats easy |
| 12:22.28 | OpenTokix | valdyn: Last i hung 2008 11 23 02:00 |
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| 12:23.27 | aprendiz001 | anyone can help me with networking? |
| 12:23.35 | OpenTokix | valdyn: nothing in messages, nothing in syslog |
| 12:23.54 | _anyone | aprendiz001: maybe? |
| 12:24.03 | SystemFAILURE | aprendiz001:: if nobody answered you maybe that nobody knows how to help you |
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| 12:24.11 | SystemFAILURE | _anyone:: scroll |
| 12:24.19 | OpenTokix | nothing in kernl.log |
| 12:24.24 | SystemFAILURE | _anyone:: read in query |
| 12:24.35 | valdyn | OpenTokix: that isnt useful, if its a real freeze then errors dont usually get flushed to disk, and if its just X freezing theres probably nothing that gets logged anyway |
| 12:25.06 | _anyone | aprendiz001: travel back to friday or tell us what hardware and the error message while oing what |
| 12:25.07 | valdyn | OpenTokix: that is why i told you to use a serial console |
| 12:25.18 | aprendiz001 | in eth0 I have link encap: UNSPEC |
| 12:25.34 | aprendiz001 | And on internet that problem I read from wifi |
| 12:25.40 | aprendiz001 | hardware |
| 12:26.11 | OpenTokix | valdyn: no serial port |
| 12:26.13 | aprendiz001 | that is the error I think, the link encap, so the net doesn't work |
| 12:26.59 | aprendiz001 | the computer is an apple computer |
| 12:27.09 | aprendiz001 | but on friday was working |
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| 12:30.22 | SystemFAILURE | valdyn:: just to inform you .. added vga=795 and done |
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| 12:38.01 | wolvbite | hey all. need some help with permissions. I have my file server set with / on a raid drive. the raid is mounted from fstab but when I create a directory network users cannot write files to the shared directory |
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| 12:38.55 | wolvbite | what is the proper permissions for the raid and then for the shared directory? |
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| 12:41.25 | kama | SystemFAILURE: |
| 12:41.27 | kama | we |
| 12:41.28 | kama | :) |
| 12:41.32 | SystemFAILURE | kama:: :D |
| 12:41.36 | SystemFAILURE | kama:: che sei passato pure tu a Debian ? |
| 12:41.40 | kama | ma il tuo chan? |
| 12:41.45 | kama | SystemFAILURE: ? |
| 12:41.48 | SystemFAILURE | kama:: io ho fanculizzato Ubuntu , mi sono rotto i coglioni , voglio avere un sistema puro |
| 12:41.50 | SystemFAILURE | kama:: ?? e' up |
| 12:41.51 | kama | io ho sempre usato debian... |
| 12:41.58 | SystemFAILURE | kama:: ah pensavo Arch :D |
| 12:42.08 | kama | beh arch è venuta dopo |
| 12:42.35 | kama | ma cmq ieri il tuo chan era down o sbaglio? |
| 12:42.42 | SystemFAILURE | Nono |
| 12:42.54 | SystemFAILURE | O almeno non mi e' stato riferito |
| 12:42.58 | SystemFAILURE | Ieri sono stato ad installare Debian |
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| 12:44.12 | huangfei_ | hi, why netselect-apt always complains that traceroute is blocked? I'm using debian in vmware |
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| 12:47.05 | anddam | hello |
| 12:47.56 | anddam | I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and I see there is not more a Files section, this means no FontPath so I'm assuming Xorg is falling back to some defaults |
| 12:48.30 | anddam | still when I run fc-cache I see a lot more directory paths than I can see in the X server running without Files section, should I add those by hand? |
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| 13:11.37 | SparFux | e.g. with aptitude? |
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| 13:20.47 | JyZyXEL | where is openssl located in debian? |
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| 13:21.13 | Maliuta | JyZyXEL: where dpkg -L says it is |
| 13:21.23 | JyZyXEL | i don't know the package name |
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| 13:22.09 | Maliuta | JyZyXEL: thats what dpkg -l is for |
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| 13:23.18 | JyZyXEL | use --with-openssl=/path/to/openssl if you have a non-standard SSL path) doesn't really give enough info |
| 13:23.29 | JyZyXEL | openssl instals into a fuckload of places |
| 13:23.56 | anddam | JyZyXEL: openssl what, binary? |
| 13:24.03 | JyZyXEL | yea excactly |
| 13:24.06 | anddam | that would seem library |
| 13:24.10 | anddam | which openssl |
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| 13:25.06 | anddam | --with-openssl seems a ./configure script option while building something |
| 13:25.13 | JyZyXEL | looks like i needed libssl-dev |
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| 13:25.36 | JyZyXEL | so fucking random again |
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| 13:26.14 | anddam | likely you need a -dev package, yes |
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| 13:27.27 | JyZyXEL | how was i supposed to know -lcrypto is in that |
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| 13:27.48 | h1guyzONE | http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL031238520081124 <-heh.. |
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| 13:29.24 | SparFux | Zyxel: aptitude search ssl |
| 13:29.50 | SparFux | eh, no, got you. |
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| 13:34.18 | anddam | JyZyXEL: apt-cache search |
| 13:34.23 | smacnay | Hi, I have had no success in blacklisting modules until I added a "blacklist module" line in my /etc/modprobe.conf file. I just noticed an error message flash by on boot stating that there was a modrobe.conf file but no reference to /etc/modprobe.d in that file. |
| 13:34.29 | anddam | apt-cache search libcrypto will show libssl-dev |
| 13:35.20 | smacnay | Do I need the /etc/modprobe.conf file? Do I add some sort of reference to /etc/modprobe.d in that file? Or do I simply remove /etc/modprobe.conf for all my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local stuff to work? |
| 13:35.33 | JyZyXEL | anddam no it won't |
| 13:35.47 | anddam | JyZyXEL: well here it does, I'm on lenny |
| 13:35.53 | JyZyXEL | and thats why |
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| 13:36.01 | JyZyXEL | not all of us are in lennies |
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| 13:38.07 | scientes | how can i recursively set all folders 755 and files 644? |
| 13:38.30 | Tapout | -R ? |
| 13:38.37 | Tapout | find . -type d |
| 13:38.39 | Tapout | find . -type f |
| 13:38.51 | Tapout | find . -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \; |
| 13:38.59 | Tapout | find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
| 13:39.01 | Tapout | probabbly |
| 13:39.03 | scientes | ok |
| 13:39.09 | SystemFAILURE | Nope |
| 13:39.28 | SystemFAILURE | find . -type f -exec chmod 644 |
| 13:39.32 | SystemFAILURE | find . -type d -exec chmod 755 |
| 13:39.38 | SystemFAILURE | Tapout:: why that '{} \;' ? |
| 13:39.39 | scientes | oh yeah lol |
| 13:39.48 | Tapout | SystemFAILURE cause it is required? |
| 13:39.51 | Tapout | ask whoever wrote find? |
| 13:40.10 | SystemFAILURE | Tapout:: i think it's not |
| 13:40.11 | Tapout | {} <-- that's the file found.... or whatever is found by find, and the \; is required.. find needs to end with ';' .. |
| 13:40.13 | Tapout | so you gotta escape |
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| 13:40.18 | Tapout | SystemFAILURE, CRIPPLE FIGHT |
| 13:40.27 | SystemFAILURE | Tapout:: lol |
| 13:40.32 | Tapout | if it's not required, oh well |
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| 13:40.41 | SparFux | How can I see which packages are installed from experimental. I did pinning. |
| 13:40.45 | Tapout | i'm mistaken, but whenever I've used .. -exec it wanted to be ended with a ; |
| 13:40.49 | SparFux | Or how can I revert everything back to unstable? |
| 13:41.06 | SparFux | Tapout: It has to be endet by ; |
| 13:41.17 | Pollero_ | is there program what i could use to watch what user id doing in shell? there should be some kind of cache for those command before user logout and all command are write to ~/.bash_history |
| 13:41.18 | anddam | I'd have put {} too, I always had |
| 13:41.36 | SystemFAILURE | Pollero_:: w |
| 13:41.37 | Tapout | SparFux, read up :) |
| 13:41.40 | SystemFAILURE | Pollero_:: opz not |
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| 13:41.55 | anddam | Pollero_: ps |
| 13:42.09 | SystemFAILURE | anddam:: ps shows processes , not commands |
| 13:42.29 | SystemFAILURE | anddam:: he wants something such as a 'screen' |
| 13:42.38 | SystemFAILURE | anddam:: monitoring the x user |
| 13:42.41 | SparFux | Tapout: perhaps you ment the \; ? whatever. |
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| 13:44.00 | Pollero_ | anddam: SystemFAILURE i dont want to loop what w command all the time. I know there is program i have even seen and used it long time ago but forget what it was :/ |
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| 13:44.34 | Pollero_ | this is pure shell-server with hundreds of users and i want to monitor all the new users so they are not trying to load / execute any shit |
| 13:45.03 | anddam | Pollero_: seems an impossible task, don't provide them with shit and log everything is the best I could say |
| 13:45.03 | petemc | watch w |
| 13:45.10 | Tapout | SparFux, <Tapout> {} <-- that's the file found.... or whatever is found by find, and the \; is required.. find needs to end with ';' .. |
| 13:45.18 | Tapout | <Tapout> find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
| 13:45.26 | Tapout | SystemFAILURE was saying it was optional |
| 13:45.29 | Tapout | i was saying not |
| 13:45.35 | Tapout | :) |
| 13:45.46 | SparFux | And I say you are right ;-) |
| 13:45.48 | Dimaxwell | Åñòü çà äà ÷à âûäðà òü èç ýòîãî òåêñòà êóñîê setup_7.0.0.290_24.11.2008_13-34.exe è îòïðà âèòü â ïåðåìåÃÃóþ $url |
| 13:45.48 | Dimaxwell | <META HTTP-EQUIV="pragma" Content="no-cache"/> |
| 13:45.48 | Dimaxwell | <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=setup_7.0.0.290_24.11.2008_13-34.exe"/> |
| 13:45.50 | Dimaxwell | Êà ê ñäåëà òü Ãà bash |
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| 13:45.57 | SparFux | But I am not sure. |
| 13:46.00 | anddam | SparFux: and I agree with you both |
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| 13:46.46 | anddam | the chmod would lack main argument |
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| 13:47.07 | subdolus | hi guys |
| 13:47.12 | Pollero_ | anddam: i dont provide any shit but there now way i can stop them download shit from external site and execute it :) |
| 13:47.29 | Pollero_ | anddam: it havent happened never but i want to be one step ahead my customers |
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| 13:47.35 | Dimaxwell | How extract setup_7.0.0.290_24.11.2008_13-34.exe from text to var $url |
| 13:47.35 | Dimaxwell | <META HTTP-EQUIV="pragma" Content="no-cache"/> |
| 13:47.35 | Dimaxwell | <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=setup_7.0.0.290_24.11.2008_13-34.exe"/> |
| 13:47.37 | Dimaxwell | ?? |
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| 13:47.47 | Pollero_ | so i can kick they asses in case some is going to it |
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| 13:48.06 | anddam | Pollero_: is the home on a separate partition? |
| 13:48.17 | subdolus | im trying to setup an ssh user so that when I ssh in, instead of going to bash or ksh or whatever, it automaticly telnets back to itself on another port. if that makes any sense. the only thing ive tried so far is editing /etc/passwd to: bbs-user:x:501:501:bbs100 user:/:/usr/bin/telnet -E localhost 1234 |
| 13:48.22 | Pollero_ | anddam: not in this machine what im talking about |
| 13:48.45 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: set the shell as a normal /bin/bash or whatever |
| 13:48.56 | anddam | Pollero_: put user home dirs on a separate fs and disable execution bit |
| 13:49.11 | anddam | they'll just use executables from the system |
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| 13:49.13 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: so modify the ~/.bashrc of the user with 'telnet etc etc' |
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| 13:49.36 | Pollero_ | anddam: nope not an option. user have permission to write any script, compile and execute it |
| 13:49.37 | subdolus | SystemFAILURE: but i dont want this ssh user to have the slightest chance at getting an actual shell |
| 13:49.53 | Pollero_ | anddam: thanks. I try to find a way by myself like always :) |
| 13:50.14 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: so set the shell to /usr/local/bin/thenamethatyouwant and modify that file (thenamewhatyouwant) with two lines |
| 13:50.19 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: #!/bin/sh |
| 13:50.22 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: telnet command |
| 13:50.31 | subdolus | ok neat idea. ill try that |
| 13:50.59 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: :) let me know if it goes |
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| 13:52.38 | pen | anyone know how to make hsetroot start on startup? |
| 13:53.25 | mrak | hello there |
| 13:53.34 | mrak | can u tell me where dmesg logging |
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| 13:53.54 | subdolus | SystemFAILURE: ohhhh you little ripper! |
| 13:54.01 | petemc | mrak: /var/log/ , like pretty much everything else |
| 13:54.01 | subdolus | now what are the chances of someone breaking out of tha |
| 13:54.03 | subdolus | t |
| 13:54.32 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: I think ~0% 'cause your linuxbox considers that SH file as the user's shell |
| 13:54.50 | mrak | petemc: i know but in dmesg log is only stuff after boot |
| 13:54.51 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: so the x user may access a real shell only if the commands that that SH script executes |
| 13:54.53 | subdolus | but that shell itself is actually bash |
| 13:55.00 | petemc | mrak: so whats your question? |
| 13:55.04 | subdolus | ah ok |
| 13:55.07 | mrak | petemc: every news jakej EDAC massages isnt there |
| 13:55.15 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: mmh one think |
| 13:55.24 | mrak | s/jakej/like |
| 13:55.25 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: add an 'exit' to the end of the SH file |
| 13:55.34 | pen | how to start programs on startup in debian |
| 13:55.43 | abrotman | !tell pen about run at startup |
| 13:55.46 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: so if the x user for any reason will be capable of closing telnet he will exit anyhow |
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| 13:56.06 | subdolus | excellent. love your work mate |
| 13:56.18 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: I'm here for you :) |
| 13:56.26 | petemc | thats very touching |
| 13:56.30 | subdolus | haha |
| 13:56.33 | abrotman | unless they kill it before it gets to the 'exit' |
| 13:56.34 | subdolus | <3 |
| 13:56.42 | mrak | petemc: well, my question is in wich log i can find kernel massages about EDAC |
| 13:56.46 | subdolus | yeahhh that's what im concerned about |
| 13:56.52 | petemc | mrak: i dont know what EDAC is |
| 13:56.53 | Crypticfortune | Anyone know where exactly nautilus stores its file association preferences? (I think I broke my .mkv settings. selecting properties on a .mkv hangs on "Creating properties window" forever) |
| 13:56.57 | subdolus | its going to be a very public box... |
| 13:56.59 | abrotman | and IIRC ssh lets you specify your own shell upon connect |
| 13:57.32 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: what's that linuxbox aim ? |
| 13:57.40 | mrak | petemc: EDAC MC0: CE page 0xaa9ea, offset 0x0, grain 4096, syndrome 0xd02b, row 4, channel 0, label "": e7xxx CE |
| 13:57.44 | mrak | EDAC MC0: CE page 0xaa9ea, offset 0x0, grain 4096, syndrome 0xd02b, row 4, channel 0, label "": e7xxx CE |
| 13:57.52 | subdolus | its to encrypt a telnet bbs i run |
| 13:58.00 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: how many users ? |
| 13:58.01 | mrak | petemc: its memory hw problem |
| 13:58.07 | subdolus | 50 odd |
| 13:58.25 | abrotman | subdolus: and the BBS runs what OS? |
| 13:58.34 | petemc | mrak: im still not much wiser, but look in messages, syslog, kern.log |
| 13:58.36 | subdolus | looks at the channel name |
| 13:58.38 | SystemFAILURE | abrotman:: i hope Debian |
| 13:58.40 | SystemFAILURE | lol |
| 13:58.51 | abrotman | lolololfunny |
| 13:58.53 | subdolus | maybe a chroot? |
| 13:58.57 | subdolus | all it needs is telnet |
| 13:59.08 | mrak | petemc: i look for thx |
| 13:59.17 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: I use(d) many times chroot (and debootstrap) |
| 13:59.21 | Crypticfortune | subdolus: its also possible to run ssl in telnet (see telnet-ssl) |
| 13:59.25 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: it's a very secure solution |
| 13:59.52 | abrotman | it seems he really doesn't care about security, or he wouldn't be considering telnet at all |
| 13:59.53 | subdolus | Crypticfortune: i'd prefer SSH at the moment |
| 13:59.57 | smacnay | hmm, on boot I saw a stat.d error listed and now do not see the nfs share from a server... where do I start in fixing this? |
| 14:00.06 | subdolus | abrotman: cheers for the input ;) |
| 14:00.44 | abrotman | no? |
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| 14:01.08 | abrotman | thinks that was sarcasm |
| 14:01.18 | subdolus | you're very perceptive |
| 14:01.38 | subdolus | final question, after ive got this chrooted, here's the question thats going to cop the most abuse.. how do i allow remote SSH login with this user with no password |
| 14:01.48 | subdolus | after allowing empty passwords in sshd_config |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | subdolus: doesn't your BBS software uhm .. run as a daemon? |
| 14:02.08 | Crypticfortune | subdolus: then perhaps the "ForceCommand" option in sshd_config is what you're looking for? (not thinking about chroot) |
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| 14:02.51 | subdolus | ForceCommand eh. *checks the man page* |
| 14:02.57 | SystemFAILURE | LOL |
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| 14:04.02 | subdolus | first link in google: http://jolmos.blogspot.com/2008/04/ssh-forcecommand-security-flaw.html |
| 14:04.10 | subdolus | SystemFAILURE: what are you trying to do to me ;) |
| 14:04.27 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: lol sorry :( |
| 14:05.06 | enouf | mrak: {z,r}grep is/are your friend(s) .. enable bootlog, /msg dpkg bootlogd .. are you having an ati binary blob issue? |
| 14:05.26 | subdolus | i suppose chmod'ing ~/.ssh/rc would stop that though.. seeing i wont ever want to change it |
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| 14:05.39 | subdolus | thanks for all the ideas guys |
| 14:05.44 | subdolus | i shall have to ponder |
| 14:06.09 | CrummyGummy | hiya, I don't see an x86_64 kernel-image. Isn't there one? |
| 14:06.20 | abrotman | subdolus: what was wrong with the telnet thing? |
| 14:06.23 | stew | CrummyGummy: its called amd64 |
| 14:06.24 | SystemFAILURE | subdolus:: byez |
| 14:07.21 | mrak | enouf: ati binary u mean drivers for ati grafic ? |
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| 14:08.50 | adb | CrummyGummy: and kernel-image is linux-image |
| 14:09.00 | enouf | mrak: yes |
| 14:09.12 | enouf | mrak: lsmod | grep edac |
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| 14:09.43 | mrak | enouf: no stdout |
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| 14:09.57 | enouf | ok mrak, nm that then |
| 14:10.06 | mrak | enouf: i found its memory problem |
| 14:10.14 | CrummyGummy | adb: Thanks, I see it now. |
| 14:10.26 | adb | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 14:10.43 | adb | np |
| 14:11.26 | mrak | enouf: what i need is i want to see in monitoring system these errors but i dont know where is logging |
| 14:11.51 | enouf | mrak: try memtest86+ or similar |
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| 14:11.58 | tarzeau | adb: hehe cool, i'm also in .ch |
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| 14:12.12 | tarzeau | adb: that's our server btw |
| 14:12.29 | mrak | enouf: i did |
| 14:12.33 | mrak | enouf: thx |
| 14:12.34 | mrak | :) |
| 14:12.51 | adb | tarzeau: epfz ... |
| 14:12.54 | enouf | mrak: enable kernel debugging, use {k}gdb, etc i guess ... |
| 14:12.58 | tarzeau | adb: epfl, nice |
| 14:13.19 | troubled | wow, 8" floppies were called 9" back then? :) http://www.cio.com.au/article/268510/slideshow_--_tech_yesteryear_where_old_computers_find_their_final_resting_place?img=12437&ssid=1&fp=2&fpid=2 |
| 14:13.31 | tarzeau | adb: you work there? administrating debian linux machines? |
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| 14:13.49 | enouf | mrak: maybe even valgrind? though that's also used for finding leaks? |
| 14:14.05 | enouf | mrak: i gotta run now though ... |
| 14:14.13 | [_Lucas_] | I put some fonts in ~/.fonts and run fc-cache, but they does not show up neither in xfontsel nor with xlsfonts | grep -i <font>. Any idea ? |
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| 14:14.52 | adb | tarzeau: epfz ... means debian mirror server is at zurich , no i'm not at epfl |
| 14:15.13 | smacnay | which package or app has stat.d - seems mine didn't start on boot and now the nfs shares from another machine are not seen. |
| 14:15.32 | SparFux | Version: 1:7.4~4 means it is Xorg release 7.4? |
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| 14:15.59 | SparFux | The version is is X11R7.4 ? |
| 14:16.53 | mrak | enouf: i use nagios but i need create check wich parse log but i need know wich one, thats my problem :) |
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| 14:17.05 | stew | SparFux: doyou mean 1:7.4-4 or 1:7.4~4 ? |
| 14:17.20 | SparFux | How can I verify my current Xorg release in Debian? |
| 14:17.40 | SparFux | aptitude show xserver-xorg tells me Version: 1:7.4~4. So. |
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| 14:17.58 | SparFux | 7.4 is the most recent release, I believe. So I hope I got this one. |
| 14:18.04 | stew | SparFux: then it is probably a 7.4 pre-release. the ~ is like 'minus' |
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| 14:18.23 | SparFux | So ~ means pre-release? |
| 14:18.45 | SparFux | So 7.4 isn't in debian experimental yet. |
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| 14:19.10 | stew | SparFux: oh, it might be 7.4 then, they might be using the |
| 14:19.20 | SparFux | Well, it was 7.4, on September 23, 2008 |
| 14:19.28 | stew | ... using the ~ so that they can still upload 1:7.4-1 to unstable after the lenny release |
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| 14:19.34 | SparFux | Perhaps it's really not the real 7.4. |
| 14:19.44 | SparFux | Ah, I see. |
| 14:20.10 | stew | SparFux: i'd expect it to include an upstream changelog which would say definitively which upstream version it is |
| 14:20.47 | SparFux | hold on... |
| 14:21.22 | SparFux | X.Org 7.4 release candidate |
| 14:21.29 | SparFux | So it's a rc, a pre-release. ok. |
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| 14:21.36 | DragoraN | hi all |
| 14:21.46 | SparFux | it's not the one from 7.4 was released on September 23, 2008 |
| 14:21.55 | DragoraN | please can anyone yell me what does the + sign mean at theend of this permission? "drwxrws---+" |
| 14:23.06 | SparFux | * Merge changes from 1:7.3+18. There it is. Dont know why they call it 7.4~4. |
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| 14:24.57 | stew | SparFux: if its a 7.4 RC, then it seems correct |
| 14:25.22 | SparFux | The point is I am experiencing sporadic crashes with the ati driver. |
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| 14:25.44 | SparFux | perhaps 7.4 will make them vanish :-) |
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| 14:25.53 | _spm_Draget | What is the name of the package with networkmanager? |
| 14:25.54 | DragoraN | anyone pls? |
| 14:26.10 | Octalot | DragoraN: maybe an access control list? (just looking it up myself) |
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| 14:26.53 | _spm_Draget | Ah, got it |
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| 14:27.28 | tarzeau | adb: yes |
| 14:28.20 | SparFux | brb |
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| 14:29.26 | AlexC_ | morning all |
| 14:29.53 | AlexC_ | how can I change the man pages controls? For example, so I can use the Page Up/Down buttons and the arrow keys to scroll the document |
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| 14:30.38 | petemc | AlexC_: thats controlled by the pager you use, if that pager is less it shouldf do what you want out of the box |
| 14:31.09 | AlexC_ | petemc, ahha! less was not installed =) thanks |
| 14:31.19 | petemc | np |
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| 14:31.48 | AlexC_ | petemc, I'm wondering, we did a net-install of Debian Lenny however network was not setup, and so it's only installed the very base. I'm concerned that there are many missing essential files, is there a way we can ... carry on with the install? |
| 14:32.18 | petemc | AlexC_: you could use aptitude to install the standard task, should give you all you need for basic system |
| 14:32.43 | AlexC_ | petemc, could you explain more as to what the standard task is? |
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| 14:33.09 | petemc | erm, theres a way to list whats in a task package, which i dont know know off the top of my head |
| 14:33.20 | Hyperi | I've two identical servers which I used same 'apt-get install' string, other one has PHP working fluently, the other one doesn't. Any idea? |
| 14:33.46 | stew | "tasksel --task-packages taskname" to list the packages in a task |
| 14:33.47 | SystemFAILURE | How to activate/enable XChat tray icon ? |
| 14:33.55 | AlexC_ | stew, petemc awesome, thanks |
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| 14:34.35 | smacnay | how do I get a machine to receive nfs shares if all settings are correct... literally a reboot of the receiving system's nfs client stuff. |
| 14:34.59 | amikrop | Greetings. I am using etch. How can I create a Debian install CD, using Gnomebaker? |
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| 14:35.10 | amikrop | I have the iso. |
| 14:35.20 | amikrop | I mean, the .iso CD image file. |
| 14:35.22 | abrotman | burn it as an image |
| 14:35.39 | SystemFAILURE | Open gnomebaker and choose at the bottom bottons 'burn cd image' |
| 14:35.39 | asg | DragoraN: might indicate an acl. Does getacl <file> show anything? |
| 14:35.41 | AlexC_ | stew, ok, neither of the tasks are what I would need, though at least I can see what sort of packages will be needed. Can you confirm that by not letting the installer connect to the net, that I am not missing any essential files that would hinder/comprise the system at all? |
| 14:35.51 | stew | amikrop: run "wodim foo.iso" |
| 14:35.51 | amikrop | abrotman: How can I do so? |
| 14:36.03 | amikrop | SystemFAILURE: It doesn't provide such an option. |
| 14:36.22 | amikrop | SystemFAILURE: Only Data CD, Data DVD, and Audio CD. |
| 14:36.30 | stew | AlexC_: yes, the netinst images can install a base system without a network |
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| 14:36.41 | SystemFAILURE | amikrop:: top menu 'tools' and then 'burn cd image' or something else |
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| 14:37.13 | AlexC_ | stew, ok, thanks |
| 14:37.26 | amikrop | SystemFAILURE: OK. Should I tick the option "Burn Free"? |
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| 14:37.34 | amikrop | * "BurnFree" |
| 14:37.35 | amikrop | ? |
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| 14:37.47 | rmrfchik | damn.. konqueror hung |
| 14:37.52 | rmrfchik | $ strace -p 13757 |
| 14:37.52 | rmrfchik | Process 13757 attached - interrupt to quit |
| 14:37.52 | rmrfchik | select(21, [5 6 7 9 11 14 19 20], [], [], NULL^C <unfinished ...> |
| 14:37.58 | SystemFAILURE | amikrop:: set to no |
| 14:38.02 | amikrop | SystemFAILURE: ok |
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| 14:38.20 | rmrfchik | oops, wrong strace |
| 14:38.27 | rmrfchik | right one is "connect(15, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@/tmp/fam-paul-}, 110^C <unfinished ...> |
| 14:38.27 | rmrfchik | " |
| 14:38.28 | stew | amikrop: or just run "wodim foo.iso" on the command line |
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| 14:40.09 | stew | this seems to be an example of a gui not making things easier |
| 14:40.53 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: std::string gui = "genuine user ignorance"; |
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| 14:41.04 | SystemFAILURE | :P |
| 14:41.16 | DragoraN | how can i secure /var/www with acl's like this: apache can read only the files, group developers can do anything with the files in /var/www but new files created in /var/www will have www-data owner group |
| 14:41.17 | troubled | stew: its voodoo like that which gets people interested in the CLI :) |
| 14:41.19 | abrotman | it does have an option for it in the menus .. it's pretty easy |
| 14:41.24 | JyZyXEL | mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom froze |
| 14:41.32 | JyZyXEL | even kill -9 won't kill i |
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| 14:41.52 | troubled | JyZyXEL: push the eject button? |
| 14:42.18 | SystemFAILURE | JyZyXEL:: eject /dev/hdc |
| 14:42.33 | SystemFAILURE | JyZyXEL:: I mean , type that in the terminal |
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| 14:43.36 | JyZyXEL | thank you -.- |
| 14:43.41 | JyZyXEL | now i have 3 consoles frozen |
| 14:43.52 | troubled | heh |
| 14:43.53 | JyZyXEL | god damn it |
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| 14:43.55 | SystemFAILURE | JyZyXEL:: ashuassahusahusahusahusa |
| 14:44.01 | SystemFAILURE | JyZyXEL:: sorry lol |
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| 14:44.57 | yeisen | is this a channel for the lh_config help? |
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| 14:51.40 | adb | yeisen: #debian-live on oftc ? |
| 14:51.47 | yeisen | thx |
| 14:52.02 | JyZyXEL | so how the fuck do i mount my CD? |
| 14:52.14 | SystemFAILURE | JyZyXEL:: put it in water |
| 14:52.58 | JyZyXEL | hdc: tray open |
| 14:52.58 | JyZyXEL | end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 6881324 |
| 14:53.05 | JyZyXEL | i have a fuckload of those |
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| 14:53.35 | abrotman | fucking serious? |
| 14:53.42 | JyZyXEL | fucking serious. |
| 14:53.52 | troubled | you're fucked! |
| 14:53.59 | JyZyXEL | I KNOW! |
| 14:54.20 | JyZyXEL | thats sum fucked up shit right there man |
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| 14:55.33 | JyZyXEL | sudo lsof | grep hdc |
| 14:55.33 | JyZyXEL | hald-addo 28941 root 5r BLK 22,0 2421 /dev/hdc |
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| 14:55.40 | JyZyXEL | wtf is that shit |
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| 14:56.19 | adb | JyZyXEL: your cdrom disk was in cdrom drive on boot ? if so , re_boot w/o putting them in |
| 14:56.37 | JyZyXEL | no it wasn't |
| 14:56.48 | JyZyXEL | i took the last disk out and since then its been like this |
| 14:56.54 | JyZyXEL | someone froze |
| 14:57.32 | adb | ah , that is |
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| 14:57.53 | adb | i sow this too |
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| 14:59.08 | adb | reboot may help |
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| 14:59.49 | JyZyXEL | it probably does |
| 14:59.56 | JyZyXEL | and after reboot i mount a CD and take it out |
| 15:00.03 | JyZyXEL | and we are in the same spot as we are now |
| 15:00.21 | JyZyXEL | its probably some stupid automounter again fucking shit up |
| 15:00.43 | JyZyXEL | dpkg -l | grep mount |
| 15:00.43 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep mount |
| 15:00.49 | JyZyXEL | looks like i have a lot of those |
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| 15:01.10 | JyZyXEL | lol i have like 4 different auto mounts |
| 15:01.13 | SystemFAILURE | dpkg -l | grep dpkg |
| 15:01.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep dpkg |
| 15:01.15 | adb | i'll file a bug repport |
| 15:01.29 | SystemFAILURE | dpkg -l dpkg |
| 15:01.30 | dpkg | ii dpkg 2.9-4.3 systemfailure's private gamp collection |
| 15:01.42 | JyZyXEL | try porn |
| 15:01.47 | Eulex | dpkg -i porn |
| 15:01.47 | dpkg | installs porn into eulex's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 15:01.49 | SystemFAILURE | dpkg -l porn |
| 15:01.49 | dpkg | ii porn 3.4-5.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:01.56 | JyZyXEL | ohhh yeaaahhh |
| 15:02.00 | SystemFAILURE | LOL |
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| 15:02.11 | JyZyXEL | i knew it exists! |
| 15:02.12 | SystemFAILURE | So smart bot |
| 15:02.15 | SystemFAILURE | XD |
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| 15:02.43 | anddam | it's the latest feature that all bots need, porn-awareness |
| 15:02.44 | JyZyXEL | apt-get remove afuse autofs gnome-mount gnome-volume-manager usbmount xfce4-mount-plugin |
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| 15:04.02 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: uname -a .. says what? |
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| 15:04.32 | JyZyXEL | Linux foobar 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:08.01 | JyZyXEL | well hurray |
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| 15:08.17 | JyZyXEL | i think this shit might actually be workin now |
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| 15:09.15 | Dejan | hey, how can I change console keymap in debian? |
| 15:09.45 | abrotman | gives up trying to tab through all the Guest* |
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| 15:10.54 | esteel | Guest5122: loadkeys |
| 15:11.20 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 15:11.20 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 15:15.58 | alperkanat | hey there.. is there a uid and gid list for debian anywhere around? we need to create a system user for a program we write and don't want to collide with other programs.. |
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| 15:17.54 | et | use adduser --system? |
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| 15:18.16 | ron1n | does this channel autoban mibbit users? |
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| 15:19.06 | ron1n | I noticed I had trouble getting in the other day using my favorite AJAX irc client |
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| 15:20.51 | petemc | ron1n: if someone else using that host got banned, it could be that |
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| 15:20.58 | petemc | which isnt uncommon with web irc interfaces |
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| 15:22.49 | DragoraN | getfacl --omit pizza or getfacial --vomit pizza |
| 15:23.09 | DragoraN | xD |
| 15:23.38 | ron1n | petemc, thats true, didn't think of that. Thanks |
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| 15:27.20 | crono- | the wine version that comes with etch (4.0) apparantly doesnt run a program that I have (its made in VS2005/C# and displays text/images as an infomonitor) - is there another program that might do the job, or should i just try a recent compile of WINE |
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| 15:28.04 | petemc | crono-: you could check to see if theres a backport of the wine package |
| 15:28.19 | crono- | ok, thansk |
| 15:28.21 | crono- | thanks* |
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| 15:32.09 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can I add a cronjob for www-data from root user? |
| 15:32.37 | bw\_ | su www-data ; crontab -e ? |
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| 15:34.14 | et | man crontab |
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| 15:34.54 | crono- | aha, i also had to use "winetricks" to install msxml3, i think that was the real problem but using wine1.0 is always better than 0.9 |
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| 15:35.10 | keith4_ | so, in going from etch to lenny, postgres got upgraded to 8.3. now i can't create databases in any encoding except LATIN1. |
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| 15:35.39 | crono- | now linux really does this job better than my previously configured windows boxes :) |
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| 16:17.35 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.13 | mhymn_ | killall it? |
| 16:18.38 | jpinx | mhymn_: I don't want to kill it - I want to re-open it |
| 16:18.58 | mhymn_ | but you said you closed it! |
| 16:18.59 | Rockj | Anyone using wordpress package in debian here? |
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| 16:19.17 | Rockj | Im having difficulties using lots of the javascript functions in Debian Lenny :/ |
| 16:19.57 | mphill | Rockj: that would be more your browser than the a package, if thats even the issue |
| 16:20.26 | Rockj | tried both opera and firefox, firebug gives errors too. |
| 16:20.47 | jpinx | mhymn_: yes - I closed it accidentally, and it vanished but is still playing and I want to re-open it |
| 16:20.55 | mphill | breifly, what is the error? |
| 16:22.21 | jpinx | mhymn_: is there not some way to identify the process and re-open it? |
| 16:22.31 | Rockj | mphill, the javascript errors? Permission denied to get property Window.tinymce , tinyMCEPopup.editor is undefined , uncaught exception: Access to restricted URI denied (NS_ERROR_DOM_BAD_URI) |
| 16:23.03 | mphill | ok, tinymcw is the wysiwyg editor. can you disable it? |
| 16:23.04 | Rockj | mphill, hum - might be because I force admin area to be under https. (I don't want to bug normal users with my self-signed certificate ) |
| 16:23.31 | mhymn_ | jpinx: you can identify it but reopenning it is another issue, you can always find the process ID by doing this: ps aux | grep -i processname |
| 16:23.51 | Rockj | mphill, now - disabling the editor which is almost the whole point of wordpress is kinda silly :p |
| 16:24.26 | mphill | jpinx: from my experience once the window manager looses the app window, you can't get it back |
| 16:24.47 | mphill | Rockj: its ok, we are just regression teting :) maybe you can update just that asepect of it |
| 16:25.16 | jpinx | mphill: ok - thanks |
| 16:25.46 | mphill | but maybe you have some option checked in VLC to "keep playing after close" or something |
| 16:25.58 | mphill | i'm not a pro at VLC, worth a look though. |
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| 16:26.27 | mhymn_ | or you might have minimized or shade it and it's not actually closed |
| 16:26.39 | mphill | yeah, or that too |
| 16:26.47 | mphill | maybe try to alt+tab |
| 16:27.08 | mhymn_ | and also alt+f5 in kde |
| 16:27.18 | abrotman | jpin bah .. i've had that happen |
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| 16:27.21 | Rockj | mphill, putting everything under https actually fixes some of the issues. :( |
| 16:28.22 | Rockj | tho, I still can't upload my image. sighs. |
| 16:29.02 | mphill | Rockj: does the apache2 process have write access to your upload directory |
| 16:29.15 | mphill | make sure the www-data user or group has write acess. |
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| 16:29.44 | Rockj | mphill, that's not the problem. wordpress detects I have flash or something and tries to enable some kind of multiple file upload which doesnt work |
| 16:30.28 | mphill | Rockj: I never used wordpress, I'm sorry, I may not be able to help. |
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| 16:31.08 | mhymn_ | why not trying #wordpress then.. |
| 16:31.24 | Rockj | #wordpress don't like me using wordpress from distro repo. |
| 16:31.49 | beardy | Rockj: Can't you select the html uploader, in whatever window it pops up? |
| 16:31.50 | Rockj | They say: "Be like other users (read idiots) and install it from a normal tarball" :p you could say. |
| 16:32.40 | beardy | Well, with web stuff, is my only personal exception from "always use the packaged version". |
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| 16:33.18 | Rockj | beardy, when I load page, it first shows a textfield - normal grey button - Upload button, but next second it gets replaced by some kind of funky buttons which says "Choose files to upload" - which doesnt work |
| 16:33.57 | beardy | Rockj: Ok, and you have no little semi-hidden link in one of the corners, to switch back to the html (non-flash) uploader? |
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| 16:34.24 | Rockj | not as I can see. |
| 16:34.41 | Rockj | it is in newer versions of wordpress? Debian lenny still running at 2.5 branch :/ |
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| 16:35.23 | stew | i thought it was going to be removed from lenny completely |
| 16:35.58 | Rockj | oh? I'm running lenny and it still available there. Where could I find more information about that? |
| 16:36.34 | Rockj | because if it gets removed, I guess I have to go the "no-Debian-way" then . |
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| 16:38.14 | Linuturk | well, debian etch won't load my cdrom drive on my new thinkpad laptop |
| 16:38.16 | Linuturk | :( |
| 16:38.26 | Linuturk | any suggestions? |
| 16:38.27 | astra-xwork | from the apt of linux-headers, where does it keep the headers for include? |
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| 16:39.35 | stew | Rockj: check http://bugs.debian.org/wordpress to see what security bugs happen to be open for it right now. it has a history of being a security nightmare and it almost always has some security problems open against it, which is why it barely made the etch release |
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| 16:40.08 | beardy | Rockj: I thought a bit about that, as I said I personally decided to not use packaged versions of web served things, as I consider them not part of the system, and want to be able to upgrade them separately. This is the only occasion I'll recommend that, but, but consider using the upstream version. |
| 16:40.32 | beardy | -but |
| 16:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a command to fulfill the build dependencies of a source package that is not in the repro (and possibly also for building it) or do I have to do all things myself |
| 16:41.44 | Rockj | beardy, stew : I'am looking into installing wordpress from scratch. I just have to digg into multi-site setup for wordpress.. |
| 16:42.18 | Rockj | beardy, stew : another reason for why I like to use repository, is due to easy upgrading when it comes to security updates ;) |
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| 16:44.40 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: dpkg -I foo.deb .. put it in a pastebin |
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| 16:45.11 | LamerC | This is an apt question mainly. Is there any way to backup the currently installed package list? |
| 16:45.34 | abrotman | !tell LamerC about aptitude clone |
| 16:45.35 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 16:45.35 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 16:45.58 | LamerC | So that when installing a program that in turn removes some packages and adding others I can easily 'undo' this and reinstall the old package/uninstall the installed packages? |
| 16:46.14 | abrotman | LamerC: use aptitude |
| 16:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, it's not a .deb, but that source package... (tar.gz, dsc and diff.gz) just wondering if there's a smarter way of doing it than what I do |
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| 16:47.11 | Gambaroni | What is the latest debian-version now? |
| 16:47.14 | Gambaroni | I want it to run as a server, so maybe stable would be best? |
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| 16:47.27 | beardy | Gambaroni: It always, always, is. |
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| 16:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, with the possible exception of now, when testing is frozen for quite some time? :) |
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| 16:51.08 | LamerC | okay, thanks |
| 16:51.14 | owad | I have a Debian system that I connect to via the serial console. Often, when I connect, my shell displays everything in caps, which I'm able to fix by rebooting. Is there a way I can fix that without rebooting? |
| 16:51.53 | beardy | owad: Fix your terminal emulator instead. |
| 16:52.13 | Linuturk | anyone got some tips for a debian etch install that won't see the cdrom to install? |
| 16:52.15 | Gambaroni | How do I restart dhcpd? |
| 16:52.28 | RichiH | /etc/init.d/dhcp<tab> restart |
| 16:52.29 | owad | beardy, it only happens sporadically. Can you tell me what sort of setting might be causing that? |
| 16:52.29 | cahoot | dhclient? |
| 16:52.57 | beardy | owad: Does it happen if you reconnect too? |
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| 16:54.12 | owad | I have a serial connection to a USB adapter. I plug it in and open my terminal app. It displays the login prompt, sometimes properly and sometimes in all caps. Once it goes to all caps, it never reverts back, unless I restart. |
| 16:54.28 | Gambaroni | RichiH thanks! |
| 16:55.03 | beardy | owad: Not really no.. IIRC it might be a setterm setting, why it would happen sporadically is strange though. |
| 16:55.18 | beardy | owad: What is your $TERM? 'echo $TERM'? |
| 16:55.35 | owad | VT102 |
| 16:55.45 | LamerC | I've been looking into some wireless solutions for my laptop. Particularly this new cricket wireless usb adapter? Suppose it could work on Debian or any other such wireless networks? |
| 16:55.54 | beardy | owad: Though.. is only the login prompt in caps, or your shell too? |
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| 16:56.18 | LamerC | I mean not a wireless lan but actually connectivity though a wireless ISP |
| 16:56.26 | cahoot | LamerC: figuring out its chipset would help answer |
| 16:56.31 | owad | beardy: the entire shell. But if I open nano, for example, that displays properly |
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| 16:56.57 | beardy | owad: If you do a 'reset'? |
| 16:57.11 | owad | beardy: reset of what...? |
| 16:57.11 | LamerC | oh ok. I'd actually have to subscribe to get the device first |
| 16:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Linuturk, usb-stick? |
| 16:57.25 | owad | ooh |
| 16:57.25 | beardy | owad: The shell. Hence the quotes. |
| 16:57.26 | owad | that works |
| 16:57.32 | owad | Thanks! |
| 16:57.39 | cahoot | LamerC: in that case google |
| 16:57.56 | beardy | owad: terminal/shell. Ok, good. |
| 16:58.11 | owad | beardy: Thanks very much! |
| 16:58.19 | beardy | owad: You're welcome :) |
| 16:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | LamerC, uh, so it's not a regular wireless? I had the impression there are lots of pay-services around... because they're unencrypted, my laptop autoconnects, but then there's just some login-screen |
| 17:00.34 | stoned | clear |
| 17:00.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | LamerC, anyways, if you think of paying for it - why don't you just ask them :) That way they learn that there's such a thing like... er.. what... li-nuks??? and that there are potential customers using it |
| 17:00.37 | stoned | doh |
| 17:00.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, roger, clearing! |
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| 17:01.16 | kaduk | HI |
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| 17:01.41 | LamerC | Yea I'll ask before looking into it. All I know so far is the cricet cell phone provider is now providing 'high speed' wireless internet access as well. |
| 17:01.42 | kaduk | is it possible to have preformance cpu governer instead of conservative when o AC and back conservative when on battery ? |
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| 17:01.55 | LamerC | Cricket |
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| 17:02.50 | cahoot | LamerC: if they offer the huawei device it's probably usable in linux |
| 17:02.59 | Eulex | kaduk, take a look at cpufreqd, cpudyn or powernowd |
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| 17:04.57 | LamerC | nm, just checked the site, 'http://www.mycricket.com/cricketsupport/faqs/details?id=660&fromsearch=0' and it states that Linux is not supported at this time |
| 17:05.37 | cahoot | LamerC: that's irrelevant |
| 17:05.40 | beardy | Almost everyone does. |
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| 17:06.49 | cahoot | LamerC: you're not aware that linux is the OS that supports most hw of all? |
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| 17:07.13 | Seb | I have an encrypted LVM volume providing both / and /home; what is the most straightforward way to reduce /'s size and increase /home's ? |
| 17:07.32 | xsdg | Seb: what filesystems? |
| 17:07.35 | Seb | i take it there is just no way to do while running the system of /, and I would have too boot up some install media ? |
| 17:07.39 | Seb | xsdg: ext3, both |
| 17:08.06 | xsdg | Seb: you would probably have to destroy and recreate / (yes, from some other boot media) |
| 17:08.21 | xsdg | Seb: I think ext3 only supports growing the fs, but not shrinking |
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| 17:08.53 | xsdg | Seb: as for the actual commands, you want lvchange (it's self documenting, and also the manpage is pretty good) |
| 17:09.03 | LamerC | Yeah. I'm searching to see what others have said. |
| 17:09.11 | Seb | xsdg: yeah, i'm familiar with reducing/increasing sizes of LVM volumes |
| 17:09.19 | Seb | xsdg: i just wasn't sure about the whole / thing |
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| 17:09.41 | Seb | xsdg: but yeah, you can shrink ext3 FSes iirc |
| 17:10.06 | xsdg | Seb: aah, true |
| 17:10.15 | xsdg | Seb: not live, though (manpage says "unmounted") |
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| 17:10.26 | Seb | xsdg: oh yeah, no, I wasn't even remotely hoping for that :) |
| 17:10.30 | xsdg | Seb: it does support online grow, though, if the kernel supports it |
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| 17:10.40 | Seb | xsdg: ah, *that* I didn't know |
| 17:10.44 | hudu | what is a URI? I'm trying to find a network printer |
| 17:10.46 | xsdg | Seb: man resize2fs |
| 17:10.50 | LamerC | Okay apparently one of the modems is a 'utstarcom um100c' and someone got it working in ubuntu 8.10 |
| 17:10.56 | Seb | hudu: uri = url |
| 17:11.20 | Seb | xsdg: are you the xsdg that used to be in charge of dpkg (the bot) a long time ago ? |
| 17:11.34 | xsdg | Seb: no, that was xk |
| 17:11.38 | Kraftzwerk | i am still looking for a music player that does support streams and podcasts, is console- or gtk-based and preferably fits on a small screen such as the eeePC's |
| 17:11.41 | xsdg | he wrote blootbot |
| 17:11.44 | Kraftzwerk | anyone got recommendations? |
| 17:11.58 | hudu | Seb (or ne1): how would I figure out what the URI to my printer is? |
| 17:12.03 | Seb | xsdg: well, shit, my memory is that bad that a simple match for /^x/ threw me off :)) |
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| 17:12.21 | xsdg | Seb: no worries; people always complain that they try to type "xsdg" and end up typing "xkcd" :o) |
| 17:12.33 | Seb | Kraftzwerk: cmus ? |
| 17:12.39 | Seb | xsdg: hah |
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| 17:13.59 | beardy | Rockj: http://insertyour.url/wordpress/wp-admin/media-upload.php?post_id=-1227547242&type=image&flash=0 that's what the url looks like, of the link to the "browser upload", that is, non-flash. |
| 17:14.55 | xsdg | beardy: insertyour.url doesn't exist. I think you mistyped something |
| 17:14.57 | xsdg | *g* |
| 17:15.05 | Kraftzwerk | seb: supports podcasts? (no mention of those) |
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| 17:16.06 | beardy | Rockj: "You are using the Flash uploader. Problems? Try the [link]Browser uploader[/link] instead." in the version here.. |
| 17:16.10 | Seb | Kraftzwerk: why don't you apt-get install it, and check ? |
| 17:16.17 | Seb | Kraftzwerk: that's the beauty of debian, innit ? |
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| 17:16.21 | beardy | xsdg: Heh. |
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| 17:16.54 | beardy | Seb: aptitude |
| 17:17.01 | Rockj | beardy, yeah, but Im going to wipe wordpress now and install it from a normal tar ball instead. |
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| 17:17.28 | Rockj | and that link doesn't work, still loaded the flash thingie - so probably a setting in a newer version |
| 17:17.46 | beardy | Kraftzwerk: Define "podcast", afaik it is just.. an mp3 or ogg file.. |
| 17:17.50 | JyZyXEL | does debian use .asoundrc? |
| 17:18.26 | Seb | beardy: eh ? |
| 17:18.40 | beardy | !tell Seb about aptitude |
| 17:18.52 | Seb | beardy: excuse me, but why ? |
| 17:19.06 | beardy | Seb: You said apt-get install. |
| 17:19.48 | Seb | beardy: damn right i did; i'll install recommends and suggests only when *i* feel like it :) |
| 17:20.12 | Seb | and yes, I know, I can tell aptitude not to do it in apt.conf |
| 17:20.15 | beardy | Mine never has. |
| 17:20.32 | Seb | beardy: still, apt-get ain't going nowhere for now, at least not until aptitude can do "source" |
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| 17:21.05 | Seb | beardy: then you have 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' somewhere in your settings |
| 17:21.16 | Kraftzwerk | "podcast"... here: retrieval and organisation of MP3/OGG embedded in RSS |
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| 17:22.26 | Seb | Kraftzwerk: by now, apt-get install'ing it would have told you if it was supported the way you mean, or not |
| 17:23.06 | Seb | beardy: I reckon "aptitde install'ing" it would work too ;) |
| 17:23.11 | Seb | aptitude, even |
| 17:23.31 | Kraftzwerk | Seb: It's just that I'm so lazy and take so much delight in wasting your time. Why else would I ask? |
| 17:23.32 | beardy | Yep. |
| 17:23.39 | sanjuro | how do you refer to the previous commands argument again? |
| 17:23.44 | sanjuro | mkdir ./foo/bar |
| 17:23.50 | sanjuro | mv something !!2 .. or something |
| 17:24.00 | Seb | sanjuro: in zsh, "alt+." inserts it at point |
| 17:24.06 | sanjuro | sorry, in bash |
| 17:24.15 | beardy | sanjuro: !, iirc.. I don't use it. I'm sure 'man bash' would tell you. |
| 17:24.21 | Seb | sanjuro: works in bash too |
| 17:24.24 | sanjuro | oh. |
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| 17:27.33 | beardy | sanjuro: 'man bash' /HISTORY EXPANSION |
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| 17:30.10 | Gambaroni | I have one sata and one ide-hdd. Is it possible to just plug in the ide-hdd, install debian, reboot, plug in sata-hdd, and then share it with samba or does it require it during the instalaltion? |
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| 17:34.54 | Seb | xsdg: http://www.grep.be/blog/en/computer/cluebat/actually_you_can |
| 17:35.02 | Seb | xsdg: seems I could pull it off with the FSes online |
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| 17:35.23 | JordiGH | xsdg: Did you see the mogrify thing yesterday? :-) |
| 17:35.55 | xsdg | JordiGH: yeah, you're a lifesaver. Thanks |
| 17:36.29 | JordiGH | w00t, magic incantations for parents. |
| 17:36.33 | xsdg | :o) |
| 17:36.39 | xsdg | anyway, gotta run. thanks |
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| 17:37.13 | mphill | Gambaroni: you can just plug it in, but you will have to edit your fstab file |
| 17:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, ok, tested it - compiled fine, except I had to chmod a+x debian/rules first |
| 17:37.28 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: so append the bug! |
| 17:37.36 | Gambaroni | mphill is that hard work to do? |
| 17:37.45 | mphill | Gambaroni: not at all |
| 17:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, already doing it :) |
| 17:37.56 | Gambaroni | mphill great. |
| 17:38.10 | mphill | Gambaroni: if you know how to mount a drive when you will have no problems really. |
| 17:38.11 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: hopefully the packager will now resubmit to mentors |
| 17:38.28 | Gambaroni | mphill one more question.. how do I create an empty space for a sambashare on the hdd with the debian-system? |
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| 17:39.21 | mphill | Gambaroni: you don't really create space, its more you share a directory. If you are looking for an easy way to administer samba shares check out "swat" which is in the repos or download webmin |
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| 17:39.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yeah - I got my own libemf package... but I think it might be really useful for others as well... it IS useful if you want to communicate vectorgraphics with the windows world - or even with openoffice (although it's a crappy format emf/wmf works much better than converting to the openoffice format) |
| 17:40.09 | abrotman | SVG FTW! |
| 17:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, in a couple of years perhaps... but not today |
| 17:40.41 | Gambaroni | mphill ok. but now I have to partition my 250gb hdd, any recommended partitiontable? (I want one partition for a sambashare) |
| 17:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | even openoffice doesn't handle svg anywhere close to satisfaction iirc |
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| 17:42.03 | JordiGH | What was the zipped svg format called? svgz? |
| 17:42.06 | mphill | Gambaroni: install gparted if you want a easy way to format / parition drives. I would use ext3. If you want to use the manually format paritions or drives you can use the mkfs.ext3 command |
| 17:42.40 | Gambaroni | mphill not during the installation? (i'm in the installation of debian now) |
| 17:42.45 | JordiGH | Speaking of resizing and reformatting... How do you do this if you have encrypted drives? |
| 17:43.06 | phiwer | is there a package for a xine console player? |
| 17:43.22 | phiwer | I find gxine.. but not vanilla xine in the repos |
| 17:43.29 | mphill | Gambaroni: You can do it during the intall or after. If you plan to use the entire drive under linux as a samba shared just format the whole thing as ext3 |
| 17:43.57 | JordiGH | phiwer: You mean... you want the ASCII output module? |
| 17:44.04 | phiwer | (I intend on using it with mythtv,.. and would thus not like a ui) |
| 17:44.21 | phiwer | JordiGH: No just console based xine.. not gui-xine |
| 17:44.41 | Gambaroni | mphill no. this is the systemdrive.. Maybe I just want 2 partitions? 1 for system and 1 for sambashare? |
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| 17:45.32 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: we use it for all sorts of stuff |
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| 17:46.38 | mphill | Gambaroni: Thats totally a matter of taste. consider putting your /home on its own partition. |
| 17:46.43 | JordiGH | phiwer: xine-ui or xine-console, aren't those it? |
| 17:46.59 | SystemFAILURE | Hello , i set vga=795 in grub menu.lst .. Now at the boot it asked me for the 'video mode' giving me a list and i choose 31A (and worked perfectly) .. How can I set that mode as default ? |
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| 17:47.16 | phiwer | JordiGH: from what I've been able to determine xine-console will not use xv as video output. |
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| 17:47.43 | JordiGH | SystemFAILURE: 795 is in dec, 31a is in hex. Does that help? |
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| 17:48.10 | SystemFAILURE | JordiGH:: so I just have to set vga=31a ? |
| 17:48.12 | jelly-uk | JordiGH: vga=0x31a works fine too |
| 17:48.22 | Gambaroni | mphill ok. something like / 7gb, /home 10gb /fileshare the space left? |
| 17:48.29 | jelly-uk | SystemFAILURE: prepend 0x to the hex number, or use base 10 |
| 17:48.35 | JordiGH | SystemFAILURE: 0x31a or 794... don't they teach kids how to convert bases anymore? |
| 17:48.49 | SystemFAILURE | JordiGH:: seems not :P |
| 17:48.52 | SystemFAILURE | So 0x31a |
| 17:48.53 | SystemFAILURE | Thanks |
| 17:49.17 | SystemFAILURE | Another things , how to enable the xchat tray icon ?! |
| 17:49.28 | mphill | Gambaroni: Make the / 15 gigs to be safe, and /home 20 gigs to be safe as well. |
| 17:49.46 | phiwer | hmm is anyone here using xine with mythtv? |
| 17:49.57 | mphill | Gambaroni: remember you can always use symbolic links to your other partitions as well |
| 17:50.00 | JordiGH | SystemFAILURE: It seems to be on by default... |
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| 17:50.08 | JordiGH | Version 2.8.6 |
| 17:50.13 | SystemFAILURE | JordiGH:: seems that it's not 'cause it's not active .. |
| 17:50.17 | SystemFAILURE | JordiGH:: and I use 2.6.8 |
| 17:50.23 | JordiGH | ? |
| 17:50.25 | SystemFAILURE | *2.6.8 |
| 17:50.28 | JordiGH | Dyslexia or older version? |
| 17:50.34 | ron1n | SystemFAILURE, then upgrade. |
| 17:50.34 | SystemFAILURE | ._. |
| 17:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, actually, I had problems using any way to convert/import things from e.g. postscript->inkscape-svg->somewhere else ... but because different things don't work with different conversion, one can work around it... |
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| 17:50.54 | SystemFAILURE | ron1n:: lol I read an erroneus version and downloaded the old version :D |
| 17:51.09 | JordiGH | Downloaded? |
| 17:51.16 | SystemFAILURE | JordiGH:: apt |
| 17:51.18 | JordiGH | You mean... aptitude install xchat, right? |
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| 17:51.28 | SystemFAILURE | JordiGH:: yes |
| 17:51.29 | ron1n | SystemFAILURE, what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:51.32 | SystemFAILURE | JordiGH:: they are too old |
| 17:51.37 | SystemFAILURE | JordiGH:: going to download and compile |
| 17:51.39 | SystemFAILURE | ron1n:: etch |
| 17:51.52 | hoxu | !xchat |
| 17:51.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xchat is a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/ or #xchat @ irc.freenode.net, or in violation of GPL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xchat#Shareware_controversy |
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| 17:52.13 | Gambaroni | mphill ok |
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| 17:52.21 | JordiGH | Oh, etch's xchat might not have the system tray thing.. but I'm betting it's backported. |
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| 17:52.45 | ron1n | what JordiGH said. |
| 17:52.52 | JordiGH | It's not... |
| 17:52.53 | kqr | i notice i have plenty of ram available, but still there's stuff on my swap partition... i like things being tidy, so is there a way to move as much of the swap content as possible into my physical ram? xD |
| 17:52.57 | ron1n | -_- |
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| 17:53.14 | JordiGH | Indeed, etch has the dyslexic version of xchat. |
| 17:53.16 | JordiGH | Funny! |
| 17:53.17 | hoxu | !weechat |
| 17:53.17 | dpkg | weechat is, like, a light and extensible irc client that promises a lot, and has some unique features like console nick list and horizontally split windows. http://weechat.flashtux.org/ |
| 17:53.34 | ron1n | kqr, google vm drop chaches |
| 17:53.35 | JordiGH | likes xchat, isn't changing to anything else. |
| 17:53.37 | ron1n | caches* |
| 17:53.41 | JordiGH | I should try to use BitchX again... |
| 17:53.45 | hoxu | ewwwwww |
| 17:53.46 | ron1n | neither is /me |
| 17:53.48 | hoxu | !lart JordiGH |
| 17:53.49 | dpkg | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at JordiGH |
| 17:53.54 | ron1n | JordiGH, no you shouldn't |
| 17:53.57 | phiwer | JordiGH: found it ;) |
| 17:54.06 | phiwer | JordiGH. tnx for the help |
| 17:54.07 | JordiGH | phiwer: What was the package? |
| 17:54.28 | kqr | ron1n: does that do what i want? ^^ |
| 17:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, so what about the missing search shortcut in lenny - doesn't that drive you mad as well? :) |
| 17:54.41 | phiwer | JordiGH: It was really silly. The xine I was looking for was actually named xine-ui ;) just had to use some command options to remove the gui part |
| 17:54.50 | ron1n | kqr if you lower the integer in there, yes |
| 17:54.54 | ron1n | just make sure you sync |
| 17:55.21 | kqr | okey (: |
| 17:55.24 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: What missing what? |
| 17:56.20 | kqr | ron1n: cool (: |
| 17:56.37 | kqr | ron1n: uh, it didn't seem to do anything |
| 17:56.37 | kqr | xD |
| 17:56.50 | ron1n | kqr, use free -m |
| 17:57.03 | kqr | yeah, i see no change :S |
| 17:57.04 | ron1n | its effects won't be immediate iirc |
| 17:57.14 | kqr | okey :P |
| 17:58.02 | ron1n | kqr, did you echo 1? |
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| 17:58.10 | JordiGH | suspects kqr is a hispanophone. |
| 17:58.12 | kqr | ron1n: echo 3 |
| 17:58.17 | kqr | JordiGH: i ain't :P |
| 17:58.24 | JordiGH | Romance language! |
| 17:58.28 | JordiGH | Slavic language! |
| 17:58.29 | kqr | JordiGH: nope xD |
| 17:58.33 | JordiGH | Hungarian? |
| 17:58.34 | eth01 | no it's really not |
| 17:58.35 | kqr | JordiGH: nope xD |
| 17:58.37 | eth01 | it's gibberish |
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| 17:58.41 | JordiGH | gives up. |
| 17:58.43 | kqr | JordiGH: germanic ;) |
| 17:58.46 | kqr | JordiGH: why? xD |
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| 17:58.51 | JordiGH | "Okey". |
| 17:58.57 | JordiGH | O-kee |
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| 17:59.10 | kqr | JordiGH: okey instead of okay? :P |
| 17:59.29 | JordiGH | If you start abbreviating "software" as "soft" you're definitely foreign. |
| 17:59.29 | jelly-uk | JordiGH: he could be anything! |
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| 17:59.50 | JordiGH | has this soft that isn't working. |
| 17:59.53 | kqr | xD |
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| 18:00.01 | jelly-uk | * JordiGH has this soft # TMI |
| 18:00.13 | jelly-uk | !offtopic |
| 18:00.13 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 18:01.01 | ron1n | dpkg needs some grammer checking =P |
| 18:01.01 | dpkg | ron1n: i don't know |
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| 18:01.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, ctrl-f used to be hard coded for "search text" - but seems that was removed in Debian because people with emacs settings didn't like that... and now there is no keybinding in xchat for "search text" ... only can use window->search text |
| 18:01.26 | Dominicus | ls |
| 18:01.37 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Hahaha... Well, I'm an Emacs user, and I approve this message. |
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| 18:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 18:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how do you search for text in xchat? |
| 18:02.07 | jelly-uk | CutMeOwnThroat: it's an upstream feature, I think! |
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| 18:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks even emacs users sometimes want to search |
| 18:02.14 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Your text isn't that interesting. I don't search it. :P |
| 18:02.16 | jelly-uk | (the ctrl-f binding) |
| 18:02.29 | Dominicus | Can anyone point me to a best practices and procedures for repairing a debian install without going the reinstall route. Other than that, if i was to do a reinstall (fat chance), how do I do it to an encrypted volume without wiping everything out? |
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| 18:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-uk, I don't think so - I asked in #xchat... and they didn't know about it - but it's in the Debian and Ubuntu changelogs (should be in the upstream changelog, not there if it was not in the debian patch) |
| 18:03.08 | JordiGH | Dominicus: What needs to be fixed and why do you want to order the airstrike? |
| 18:03.09 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: what is it that you need to repair? What kind of breakage? |
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| 18:03.27 | jelly-uk | CutMeOwnThroat: If you file a bug, I'll second it. |
| 18:03.43 | JordiGH | jelly-uk: B-b-b-ut... I thought you were an Emacs user too? :-( |
| 18:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, ah, that explains why you keep whining about your problems ages and ages after I've given you the most nifty and smart solutions imaginable ;-P |
| 18:04.05 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Anyways, wtf are you talking about? I just tried C-f, it brought up a search window. |
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| 18:04.15 | jelly-uk | JordiGH: I'm not an emacs user, just an emacs keybinding prefererer |
| 18:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, then you're still in etch? |
| 18:04.24 | JordiGH | Nope. |
| 18:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 18:04.30 | JordiGH | I live on the edge, baby. |
| 18:04.31 | JordiGH | Lenny. |
| 18:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hits ctrl-F a 100 times.... nope |
| 18:05.04 | JordiGH | You must be doing it wrong. |
| 18:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmmm .... perhaps just disabled if you have configured emacs keybindings somewhere |
| 18:05.16 | Dominicus | JordiGH & jelly: I had issues getting nvidia video drivers going, eventually went to the nvidia installer script from nivida.com, it worked, but it conflicted with other stuff, and i couldn't remove it, so i wildly deleted nvidia and X11/Xorg anything and everything. I'm pretty much looking for a way to reinstall packages including all of their dependencies because I don't know how far and... |
| 18:05.18 | Dominicus | ...wide the damage is that i did. And just aptititude reinstall xorg doesn't do anything more than a top layer package. there's still broken dependencies. |
| 18:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | is not aware of having chosen such a configuration for xchat, though |
| 18:05.28 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat :http://adrinael.net/wrong11 |
| 18:05.49 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: what _exactly_ did you delete? |
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| 18:06.35 | Dominicus | JordiGH & jelly-uk: and I already checked the debian-references documentation. =( I delete lots of x11 binaries, the x11 folders, nvidia folders.. lots and lots of stuff. lol |
| 18:06.46 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: I guess a good place to start would be to create a list of installed packages that don't have all their files installed |
| 18:06.51 | bhundven | JordiGH: hehe |
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| 18:07.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I got version 2.8.6-2 ... same as you? |
| 18:07.14 | smacnay | are there modules needed for statd to start? |
| 18:07.39 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: so, go through /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list, and create a list of packages whose files are missing |
| 18:07.40 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Yep! |
| 18:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 18:07.47 | Dominicus | JordiGH & jelly-uk: It's my first debian install, and I didn't know how aggressive nvidia's official binary video driver installer was. |
| 18:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell! |
| 18:07.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, so where's the catch |
| 18:08.02 | Dominicus | jelly-uk: You mean manually? |
| 18:08.02 | JordiGH | Dominicus: debsums might also help if you also modified files; or did you just randomly delete things? |
| 18:08.06 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: no. |
| 18:08.18 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: it's a job for script |
| 18:08.20 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know... Perhaps your window manager is catching C-f before it gets to Xchat? |
| 18:08.27 | jelly-uk | _a_ script, sorry |
| 18:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, no - there is also no ctrl-f next to "search text" in the "window" menu anymore |
| 18:08.56 | Dominicus | JordiGH: I only modified config files. And I've been trying to find out how to use debsums for a little while now. I'm in my winblows install right now. /sigh |
| 18:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, does your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 say 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' |
| 18:09.18 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: There is in mine... *shrug* Maybe that's because it's in my .xchat2 prefs or something from an older install? |
| 18:09.20 | jair | guys, it is possible to install iceweasel 3 from backports? |
| 18:09.20 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: manually write the script to generate the funky package list, then reinstall some/all of them |
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| 18:09.43 | jair | also have anyone successfully installed adobe-flash 10 on debian? |
| 18:09.48 | jair | etch r5 |
| 18:09.52 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Er, I don't have that file. |
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| 18:10.08 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Wait... I do... and it does say "emacs". |
| 18:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, ha, and you want to be someone who prefers emacs keysettings :-P |
| 18:10.16 | Dominicus | jelly-uk: Hmmm. Well, that's at least a good start. Thanks! Now, this script wouldn't already happen to be in existence some where would it? This sounds like something that would prove to be useful to more than just me. |
| 18:10.16 | jelly-uk | jair: apparently etch doesn't have fresh enough libraries to be able to run flash 10. |
| 18:10.27 | jair | jelly-uk: I see |
| 18:10.32 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: write it yourself, it's a one-off script |
| 18:10.37 | JordiGH | jair: I did, it segfaulted within 10 seconds, uninstalled that piece of shit. |
| 18:10.41 | jair | jelly-uk: what if i install iceweasel 3? |
| 18:10.50 | jair | hahaha |
| 18:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I have that for firefox actually, else ctrl-u, ctrl-w, ctrl-k et. al dont work in iceweasel anymore (as far as I remember why I created that file a couple of years ago) |
| 18:11.01 | Dominicus | jelly-uk: I'm not against writing it myself. I just have next to no experience writing bash scripts. |
| 18:11.09 | jelly-uk | jair: I've no idea how would that help |
| 18:11.11 | jair | I am fine with the version 9 though, what I am trying to get working is the version 3 of iceweasel |
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| 18:11.23 | jelly-uk | Dominicus: ah! #bash is just over there --> :-) |
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| 18:11.30 | jair | jelly-uk: forget about falsh 10 then :D |
| 18:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, so seems (supposing that that's the difference) I can now choose to have no search in xchat or crappy keysettings in iceweasel |
| 18:11.42 | twobitsprite | jelly-uk: nuh-uh... it's <-- that way |
| 18:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks that for him bash is to the left |
| 18:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, hehe |
| 18:12.01 | Dominicus | jelly-uk: Thanks! |
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| 18:12.02 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 18:12.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-uk, you're leading strangers astray! |
| 18:12.18 | JordiGH | swfdec and/or gnash ftw! |
| 18:12.20 | jair | what about backports and iceweasel 3? |
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| 18:12.28 | jelly-uk | CutMeOwnThroat: heh heh heh |
| 18:12.30 | twobitsprite | jair: check backports.org |
| 18:12.54 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: As far as I can tell, that .gtkrc-2.0 setting isn't doing diddly squat. |
| 18:13.02 | smacnay | Seems that my boot now shows an error that statd can't start. How can I trace this down? |
| 18:13.04 | jair | twobitsprite: hmm I have it on my apt source list I will check what version of iceweasel is offered |
| 18:13.09 | [_Lucas_] | I have some .pcf fonts in ~/.fonts but they does not get listed by fc-list and xlsfonts. I already run fc-cache -fv and xset fp rehash. Any idea ? |
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| 18:13.21 | twobitsprite | jair: that would be step 1 |
| 18:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, not? It does for iceweasel (iirc, as usual) |
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| 18:13.42 | JordiGH | jordi@Iris:~$ cat .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 18:13.43 | JordiGH | gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" |
| 18:13.47 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^ |
| 18:13.50 | jelly-uk | !firefox 3 etch |
| 18:13.50 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...), or http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html, or http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/06/21/install-firefox-3-in-debian-etch/ |
| 18:13.52 | JordiGH | Diddly squat. |
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| 18:13.56 | awk | hrm, what channel for debian security or debian bugs? |
| 18:13.57 | pen | xsession doesn't work |
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| 18:14.17 | JordiGH | awk: This one for both. Or on OFTC. What's the issue? |
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| 18:14.44 | awk | openssh bug, I was using the latest openssh, no user accounts on my box. and i was rooted, it was the only service on my box |
| 18:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, well for me, if I move that file away, I suddenly do get a ctrl-F for search in xchat |
| 18:14.48 | awk | this troubles me |
| 18:14.48 | jair | twobitsprite: I will check that page jelly-uk pasted |
| 18:15.05 | JordiGH | awk: Oy. That's a big deal. Is there a DSA for it? |
| 18:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I'd say you just did it wrong (you may look at your own image now :-P) |
| 18:15.12 | jelly-uk | awk: bugs, here, but it's likely we'll just tell you to file a report. There's #debian-security on irc.debian.org, but it's NOT a legitimate way to report security issues |
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| 18:15.28 | awk | JordiGH: wll i don't have much info |
| 18:15.34 | awk | but somebody else was hacked too on a debian box |
| 18:15.36 | awk | also openssh |
| 18:15.41 | jelly-uk | awk: how do you know it was via ssh? |
| 18:15.47 | awk | its the only service running |
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| 18:15.54 | pen | xsession doesn't work, anyone know why? |
| 18:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, and if I remove that file and start xchat, also ctrl-U doesn't work anymore and ctrl-a marks the whole line instead of going to the start of the line |
| 18:16.06 | awk | box has _nothing_ jut openssh, no root account, so no brute force root ac |
| 18:16.20 | jelly-uk | awk: what's the output of "dpkg -l openssh-server libc6 |tail -2"? |
| 18:16.39 | awk | jelly-uk they whiped the box, let me get the info from somebody else |
| 18:16.57 | jair | twobitsprite: looks like there is not firefox or iceweasel version 3 on backports :( |
| 18:17.09 | twobitsprite | jair: ok |
| 18:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, also, ctrl-w clowes the window instead of erasing the word to the left (which might be one of the most annoying difference if you're using ctrl-w a lot) ... and so on, and so on... |
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| 18:17.50 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Hm, do I have to reboot Gnome for that to work? |
| 18:17.52 | jelly-uk | awk: if you have a backup of /var/lib/dpkg/status file, you'll be able to find out the package versions |
| 18:18.09 | awk | <fuckwits> its reinstalled anyway && <fuckwits> ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries && <fuckwits> ii openssh-server 4.3p2-9etch2 Secure shell server, an rshd replacement |
| 18:18.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I don't use gnome.... I just moved the file and started xchat a 2nd time |
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| 18:18.16 | awk | jelly this was reinstalled let me check for you |
| 18:18.16 | pen | xsession doesn't work, anyone know why? |
| 18:18.18 | steven_ | hi |
| 18:18.21 | JordiGH | tries it again. |
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| 18:19.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I'll file a bugreport asking for *some* shortcut for the search... (what does ctrl-f do with emacs keybindings anyways??) |
| 18:19.11 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope. :-( |
| 18:19.16 | JordiGH | Forward. |
| 18:19.23 | JordiGH | (i.e. right-arrow) |
| 18:19.29 | pen | xsession doesn't work, anyone know why? |
| 18:19.39 | JordiGH | pen: Nobody knows. |
| 18:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... how useless, that's what I use right-arrow for :) |
| 18:20.03 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: And move your wrists away from homerow? Inconceivable! |
| 18:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, how can you BEAR xchat without emacs keybindings?? :) |
| 18:20.27 | jelly-uk | awk: hm, that _is_ the latest openssh-server. libc6 is a bit older |
| 18:20.47 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Barely. ;-) I would prefer Emacs keybindings. |
| 18:21.35 | steven_ | Is there an easy way to change arch ie from 32bit to 64bit using aptitude or is a re-install recommended ? |
| 18:21.39 | awk | jelly-uk: so what now? i know for certain it was ssh.... i have rotation passwords every 3 weeks, Allow_Users, only 1 account with a very strange name. |
| 18:21.45 | pen | chmod a+x doesn't make it start |
| 18:21.58 | jelly-uk | steven_: you _have to_ reinstall, there's no way to change the arch |
| 18:22.12 | JordiGH | steven_: Reinstall. You have to reinstall every package and aptitude doesn't let you choose arches anyways. |
| 18:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, strange it doesn't work for you... perhaps you have some non-global setting that overrides it? |
| 18:22.38 | steven_ | ahh i was hoping for a way of reinstalling every pacakge but just keeping my existing configs |
| 18:22.45 | jelly-uk | awk: make a complete-disk image of the system; ask #debian-security for possible advice |
| 18:22.53 | pen | noone knows xinitrc or xsession? |
| 18:22.55 | fXsTar | anyone has a good sourcelist for debian sarge ?:s |
| 18:23.01 | steven_ | ill just have to backup i was just hoping to be lazy :) |
| 18:23.04 | jelly-uk | awk: they're on irc.debian.org though, different irc network |
| 18:23.19 | awk | jelly-uk ok thanks... let me see what i can do |
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| 18:23.53 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Maybe because I actually tried to config xchat's keys at one point... but this still doesn't explain why it doesn't work in Junglemollusk either. |
| 18:24.21 | jelly-uk | steven_: you could keep/copy over your /home, /var/mail, user crontabs and user accounts from /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow}, but the system needs to be reinstalled, yeah |
| 18:24.28 | JordiGH | steven_: That wouldn't work; your configs often have to be different for a different arch anyways. You can probably backup your homedir, though. |
| 18:24.33 | fXsTar | anyone has a good sourcelist for debian sarge ?:s |
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| 18:25.05 | JordiGH | fXsTar: You mean... the archive? |
| 18:25.08 | JordiGH | !archive |
| 18:25.08 | dpkg | somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 18:25.13 | steven_ | JordiGH: what configs are different ? |
| 18:25.13 | bizboo | clear |
| 18:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I only know about firefox ... and now xchat - but probably a lot of applications could honor it |
| 18:25.34 | steven_ | JordiGH: i would have the majority of configs in /etc would be fine ? |
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| 18:25.54 | JordiGH | steven_: The majority, yes, but some aren't. I can't think of any examples, but I'm sure they exist. |
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| 18:26.17 | steven_ | JordiGH: ill keep than in mind |
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| 18:26.33 | steven_ | JordiGH: i would have just tar'd and un tar'd lol |
| 18:26.45 | fXsTar | apt sources i mean JordiGH |
| 18:27.16 | Silicon | is there a way to do automount esata drives in etch? do i have to add some udev rule? the drive is detected and formatted and the adapter supports hotplug. |
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| 18:27.27 | smacnay | Hi, I am getting a statd error on reboot. I read that the rpc.statd has started but things are not working as I see no nfs shares from the network. |
| 18:27.48 | JordiGH | fXsTar: I think those are gone... but you can manually download packages from the archives. |
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| 18:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I just swapped back-and-forth between "emacs" and "default" keybindings... it's definitely this file for me. Perhaps it does make a difference that you use gnome and a setting like that is buffered somewhere.... |
| 18:27.56 | paxcoder | abrotman: my altgr prints enter |
| 18:27.56 | smacnay | I also see that there is no rpc.lockd up and running. |
| 18:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, hm, that perhaps: http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.gtk+.general/2002-10/msg00108.html |
| 18:28.05 | fXsTar | yes JordiGH :( |
| 18:28.06 | fXsTar | to bad |
| 18:28.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, ah, guess that's your problem |
| 18:28.22 | JordiGH | fXsTar: dist-upgrade ffs! :D |
| 18:28.29 | fXsTar | yes |
| 18:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't run gnome, it randomly overrides stuff! |
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| 18:28.46 | fXsTar | but my box is a 200 mhz pI |
| 18:28.46 | fXsTar | :D |
| 18:28.47 | fXsTar | ;)) |
| 18:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, and isn't it full-upgrade now? :) |
| 18:29.31 | pen | I don't know why no one knows about xsession |
| 18:29.51 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Not for going from sarge to etch it isn't. |
| 18:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 18:29.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:30.11 | Gambaroni | mphill still here? :) |
| 18:30.19 | JordiGH | fXsTar: Debian doesn't get slower with newer releases. I run etch and lenny fine on a PII with 266 MHz. |
| 18:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, ok, you got a point there :) (wasn't following the discussion) |
| 18:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | (just trying to be a wise-ass... didn't work) |
| 18:31.10 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: You're still doing it wrong. :-) |
| 18:31.26 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't have an option to choose themes in that thingie that mail message says... :-( |
| 18:31.29 | pen | I create a file called .xsession in my home folder and I type one line in the file: hsetroot -fill ~/dir/to/pic & , then I save the file and chmod +x the file to make it executable, but after X restart, it doesn't call the line |
| 18:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, now who's doing it wrong :-P |
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| 18:33.13 | pen | am I missing some steps? |
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| 18:33.35 | kharloss | hi there. i have a dhcp connection . how can i find my DNS adress ? |
| 18:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | pen, did you look through "man xsession"? |
| 18:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | pen, e.g. the line [...] 'allow-user-xsession' line in Xsession.options [...] |
| 18:34.24 | exc86 | hi everybody! |
| 18:34.51 | exc86 | is there anyone who used dfs? |
| 18:35.09 | pen | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't quite understand that part |
| 18:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | pen, .xsession can be disallowed on the system, it seems - check if it's allowed in /etc/X11/Xsession.options |
| 18:36.33 | exc86 | i mean debian from scratch |
| 18:37.27 | smacnay | Problem: machine now boots with a statd error (statd does not load) and result is that all nfs shares from the network are not automatically found. Where do I start in solving this problem? |
| 18:37.36 | RichiH | exc86: i am not sure something like that exists |
| 18:37.38 | pen | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I see allow-user-xsession |
| 18:37.43 | stew | RichiH: it does |
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| 18:38.06 | RichiH | stew: ok then |
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| 18:38.11 | smacnay | All I see loaded now is rpc.statd |
| 18:38.26 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Okay, changed it in gconf-editor... let's see if this works... |
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| 18:38.53 | JordiGH | w00t! It does!! |
| 18:38.59 | JordiGH | EMACS KEYS IN XCHAT. |
| 18:39.00 | exc86 | RichiH:I read something about insalling debian starting from deboostrap. But i'm not sure if i can install it using a slax liveUSB and in any case how can i do it :\ |
| 18:39.04 | JordiGH | has never been happier. |
| 18:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, also, you can start multiple xchats for testing :) |
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| 18:39.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I see this is coming a bit late as advice) |
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| 18:39.34 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: No more... wait, wtf... C-b doesn't work. |
| 18:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !prize JordiGH |
| 18:39.37 | dpkg | gives JordiGH a medal. |
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| 18:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is c-b supposed to do now |
| 18:39.53 | JordiGH | It does... |
| 18:39.55 | JordiGH | That. |
| 18:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | back one character? |
| 18:40.05 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 18:40.12 | JordiGH | It does Hex 0002 as far as I can tell. |
| 18:40.13 | JordiGH | Backspace? |
| 18:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, file a but report :-/ |
| 18:40.19 | pen | CutMeOwnThroat: do i really need #!/bin/sh in the first line? |
| 18:40.21 | JordiGH | BUTT REPORT |
| 18:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm |
| 18:40.42 | kharloss | IPv6 is necessary in i want to setup a web server ? |
| 18:40.42 | kharloss | i try install a GNUPanel and a question in setup is " write the ip for the host that can use your DNS " my IP is public , so what i have to fill in ? |
| 18:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lose me |
| 18:40.44 | dpkg | cutmeownthroat: You Lose. |
| 18:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks, dpkg |
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| 18:41.04 | exc86 | RichiH:i wanna install debian as i can install gentoo, because i have an old pc which have no cd-rom but only usb... |
| 18:41.16 | RichiH | exc86: can it boot from usb? |
| 18:41.21 | RichiH | i would try that, first |
| 18:41.25 | JordiGH | Ah, there we go. |
| 18:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | pen, I don't think so -the last one I had didn't have one - can't hurt having one, though |
| 18:41.41 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: I had some weird setting in my keybindings that was overriding C-b. |
| 18:41.48 | JordiGH | w00t |
| 18:41.49 | JordiGH | dances. |
| 18:41.56 | exc86 | RichiH:yes it can |
| 18:42.01 | RichiH | do that, then |
| 18:42.02 | JordiGH | I wonder if this means it also works now in Junglemollusk? |
| 18:42.06 | RichiH | exc86: i have installed debian via bootstrap several times |
| 18:42.08 | RichiH | it's painful |
| 18:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, it was? ctrl-b doesnt work for me either (but I don't care as I don't use that anyways) |
| 18:42.15 | RichiH | you do not want to do that |
| 18:42.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, but now c-f for search is gone.... |
| 18:42.24 | RichiH | the resulting system sucks |
| 18:42.30 | JordiGH | Awesome... |
| 18:42.35 | RichiH | and that has been the case for at least 6 years |
| 18:42.40 | JordiGH | Works in Debian Powerswan too. |
| 18:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, right? |
| 18:42.44 | JordiGH | But only in text boxes! |
| 18:42.47 | pen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.55 | RichiH | so yah, you do want to boot from usb |
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| 18:43.00 | JordiGH | Outside text boxes, it C-f does search. |
| 18:43.23 | JordiGH | hugs CutMeOwnThroat. |
| 18:43.29 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: You've made a geek very happy today. |
| 18:44.07 | exc86 | RichiH: yes, the only alternative is to install gentoo... |
| 18:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | pen, .xsession was what I last used - "man xsession" mentions $HOME/.xsession and $HOME/.Xsession, though perhaps it changed (I don't use any xsessionrc anymore and was just looking at an old set-up) |
| 18:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, not for me |
| 18:44.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | for me it does.... nothing |
| 18:45.17 | exc86 | Richih: but i dont wanna do it, because it has onlu 866 mhz and 256 mb of ram. so... |
| 18:45.22 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, there's still / for quicksearch. |
| 18:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps everything is a textbox in my setup |
| 18:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | "/"? |
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| 18:45.39 | JordiGH | Forward slash. |
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| 18:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually - the textbox never loses focus for me as long as the mouse is inside the xchat window |
| 18:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if it's outside, xchat loses focus, of course) |
| 18:46.16 | pen | CutMeOwnThroat: well, xsession is not really work, I don't know why but it doesn't execute the command I type inside |
| 18:46.18 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, I was talking about Mozilla Spacehog. |
| 18:46.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so / always types / |
| 18:46.25 | kharloss | i try install a GNUPanel and a question in setup is " write the ip for the host that can use your DNS " my IP is public , so what i have to fill in ? |
| 18:46.37 | abrotman | paxcoder: stop messing with your keymap! |
| 18:46.38 | stew | exc86: can you boot from usb? |
| 18:46.48 | jelly-uk | kharloss: is GNUPanel part of debian? |
| 18:46.58 | exc86 | stew:yes |
| 18:47.06 | stew | exc86: /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 18:47.17 | kharloss | jelly-uk no . |
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| 18:47.21 | exc86 | stew:thanks |
| 18:47.30 | paxcoder | abrotman: stop? but how am i going to fix it then? besides, if i were messing, i'd stop before i began. i really have no distinct interest in messing with it. |
| 18:48.42 | jelly-uk | kharloss: it's unlikely you'll get much response for questions about it in #debian channel :-| |
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| 18:49.19 | _stack | does anyone knows the reason of this? http://rafb.net/p/7am1V287.html ...the kernel version is 2.6.26-8 and I applyed this patch for realtime http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/patch-2.6.26.6-rt11.gz |
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| 18:49.30 | ewet | hello, what happened? after starting "elinks de.wikipedia.org" (for testing if ncurse would support scroll-lock) the screen looked like that: http://sprunge.us/HSSe after starting nano (another ncurse prog) everything was okay? o_O |
| 18:49.30 | RichiH | exc86: you said you can boot from usb |
| 18:49.37 | RichiH | exc86: so you can install debian from usb |
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| 18:49.58 | RichiH | exc86: so you don't need to debootstrap, nor do you need to install gentoo |
| 18:50.17 | RichiH | exc86: ah, stew told you |
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| 18:50.28 | jelly-uk | kharloss: about ipv6, it's _very_ likely not required, if you don't know. |
| 18:50.50 | whits | I'm trying to install openoffice.org-headless on 4.0 and apt-get complains that it can't find openoffice core '1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1'. Do I need to add a special repo to get this version? |
| 18:50.59 | pen | CutMeOwnThroat: I created .xsession and chmod +x but it still doesn't get executed |
| 18:51.12 | stew | whits: yes, /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 18:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually |
| 18:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !xsession |
| 18:52.13 | dpkg | xsession is, like, ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 18:52.16 | exc86 | RichiH: just for my curiosity, if i wanna use debootstrap starting from my slax liveUSB, which are the steps i have to do to install debian sid? |
| 18:52.32 | pen | omg |
| 18:52.38 | pen | oops |
| 18:52.43 | pen | wrong channel |
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| 18:53.25 | whits | stew: Ah, excellent. Thanks. |
| 18:53.30 | RichiH | exc86: iirc, just bedootstrap /dev/whatever |
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| 18:53.48 | RichiH | exc86: there is no harm in just doing it, btw |
| 18:53.56 | RichiH | exc86: but do _not_ use the resulting system |
| 18:54.06 | RichiH | debootstrap is fine if you do not have any other choice |
| 18:54.08 | RichiH | but... |
| 18:54.21 | RichiH | the resulting system lacks several important settings |
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| 18:54.57 | Kyoshiro | hi (again) |
| 18:55.02 | RichiH | for example hostname and the localhost entries in /etc/hosts |
| 18:55.15 | RichiH | which makes for many wonderful errors which are next to impossible to debug |
| 18:56.05 | Kyoshiro | is there a way to install etch with a sid netinst ? if I start the install and then change /etc/apt/sources.list to use etch only, will it work ? |
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| 18:56.45 | Kyoshiro | I just need a netboot with a recent kernel, to install an etch system... + the newest kernel :/ |
| 18:57.26 | beardy | !etchnhalf |
| 18:57.27 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 18:57.36 | Kyoshiro | nop, not enough beardy |
| 18:57.37 | exc86 | ok, so is there any reference guide to use debootstrap, or a quick installation guide (to avoid any oblivion)? |
| 18:57.47 | Kyoshiro | I tried with 2.6.25 and it's still not enough |
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| 18:58.15 | beardy | Too much money to buy hardware for then. |
| 18:58.28 | Kyoshiro | I have very recent hardware, like intel sata ICH10 and marvell pata, plus realteak gigabit network |
| 18:59.01 | Kyoshiro | which is recoginzed by the 2.6.25 but unable to connect to the network (I suppose it's smilar to another network card but not really identical..) |
| 18:59.14 | Kyoshiro | oh that's not expensive hardware |
| 18:59.42 | Kyoshiro | motherboard Asus P5Q WS, 100E |
| 19:00.01 | Kyoshiro | (roughly) |
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| 19:00.19 | sidnei29 | boa tarde para todos! |
| 19:00.22 | exc86 | RichiH: ok, so is there any reference guide to use debootstrap, or a quick installation guide (to avoid any oblivion)? |
| 19:00.25 | beardy | Kyoshiro: What about lenny, if you know what you're doing then? |
| 19:00.27 | beardy | !es |
| 19:00.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:00.35 | _stack | so anyone? |
| 19:00.49 | _stack | :( |
| 19:00.52 | Kyoshiro | beardy: if I use the lenny netinst I can install a stable ? |
| 19:00.52 | beardy | !br |
| 19:00.53 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:00.59 | beardy | Kyoshiro: No. |
| 19:01.06 | Kyoshiro | ok then that's an issue ;) |
| 19:01.21 | Kyoshiro | I must have an etch system, since the server is designed to be used as preprod server |
| 19:01.27 | RichiH | exc86: the manpage or just google is. there is plenty of stuff and it's pretty trivial |
| 19:01.32 | RichiH | it* |
| 19:01.32 | Kyoshiro | so it has to me software-identical to the prod server.. :( |
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| 19:01.55 | Kyoshiro | maybe there's a way to boot an ubuntu live CD and install a debian from there ? |
| 19:02.44 | beardy | Kyoshiro: I'm sure you can use debootstrap. |
| 19:02.50 | beardy | !debootstrap |
| 19:02.50 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 19:03.19 | Kyoshiro | ok I'll look into it |
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| 19:03.20 | Kyoshiro | thanks |
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| 19:03.44 | Kyoshiro | (btw, the chroot link is dead ^^) |
| 19:04.06 | beardy | Factoid vandals, should be shot. |
| 19:04.40 | beardy | Though, it's not. |
| 19:04.54 | beardy | Oh, you meant that. |
| 19:05.34 | simonrvn | may be at newpeople.d.o |
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| 19:05.52 | kharloss | hi . any GNUPanel user here ? pls . i really apreciate. |
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| 19:06.01 | Kyoshiro | yeah I meant that ^^ |
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| 19:06.42 | beardy | Kyoshiro: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot , which dpkgs chroot factoid links to, is there |
| 19:07.02 | Kyoshiro | thanks ;) |
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| 19:07.44 | ceil420 | why does kbd have to be removed for console-tools to be installed, and vice-versa? |
| 19:07.50 | ceil420 | is one an updated version of the other? |
| 19:08.48 | beardy | ceil420: If they conflict, the reason is most often that they provide the same functionality, and, conflict.. |
| 19:09.39 | ceil420 | figured as much, just wanted to be sure, thanks |
| 19:10.13 | beardy | console-utilities, you meant? |
| 19:10.18 | beardy | Which version of Debian? |
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| 19:12.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 19:12.44 | beardy | Nevermind.. it was a virtual package, my mistake. |
| 19:13.27 | jelly-uk | ceil420: kbd and console-tools provide alternatives for console keyboard setup |
| 19:13.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have an short question, why does this command fail, or even better, how do i get it to work?: perl -i -pe "s/"SHELL=/bin/sh"/"SHELL=/bin/zsh"/" /etc/default/useradd |
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| 19:16.05 | beardy | DJ-Marcuzz: Escape the = / and so on instead, or unquote and use a different substitution separator, perhaps. Editing the file and substituting would also work.. |
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| 19:16.16 | beardy | But I'm no perl guru, just a guess. |
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| 19:17.59 | sanjuro | How do you make a program the default for a certain type of file extension? |
| 19:18.18 | Eulex | in what desktop environment? |
| 19:18.20 | beardy | sanjuro: Depends on the desktop environment. |
| 19:18.26 | sanjuro | gnome.. |
| 19:18.28 | sanjuro | the default |
| 19:18.42 | beardy | There is no default desktop environment. |
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| 19:20.26 | superjoe30 | is this a known glitch? gecko rendering engine fails to repaint when windows are dragged over it |
| 19:20.28 | superjoe30 | but only in certain areas |
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| 19:20.44 | superjoe30 | affects iceweasel and epiphany-gecko |
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| 19:21.00 | Aggro | sanjuro: Right click, properties -> open with -> you should figure the rest |
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| 19:28.24 | illio_ | the $SYSLOGD parametre in /etc/init.d/sysklogd .. where is that initialized? |
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| 19:30.17 | RichiH | illio_: no idea, but grep -r SYSLOGD /etc |
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| 19:33.51 | adiais | quick question here folks. Never needed to do this before and I want to learn how. I just got a 3com switch and I want to configure it via my Deb laptop. I connected the serial cable and did some checking on the 'Net but can't find directions on how to configure an e/x/term to communicate with the serial port. |
| 19:34.02 | adiais | Crap, did that overflow? |
| 19:34.10 | adiais | SOrry if it did. |
| 19:35.11 | adiais | Heh, the question would be.. can anyone offer me pointers on how to connect a terminal window to look at the serial port so I can configure the switch? |
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| 19:37.28 | xingu | adiais: take a look into minicom |
| 19:38.26 | ulifer | does anyone know how to get my wireless card working, i just installed debian |
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| 19:38.36 | ulifer | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 19:38.52 | ulifer | when I try iwconfig , I don't see any of the interfaces that represent it |
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| 19:39.29 | adiais | ulifer: shot in the dark: ifup wlan0 - iwconfig wlan0 - dhclient wlan0 |
| 19:39.31 | xingu | ulifer: you probably need firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:39.39 | jair | does anyone have the latest how to to get the sound working on etch? |
| 19:39.42 | ulifer | it was fine on ubuntu |
| 19:39.54 | ulifer | adiais: no wlan0 interface |
| 19:40.11 | xingu | ulifer: then make sure that your (hardware) rfkill isn't switched on; then: modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945 |
| 19:40.17 | netcrash | Hello , I have a problem regarding timeouts in nfsv3 if I reboot one system the client is unable to reconnect until I do a restart of the service |
| 19:40.21 | netcrash | any tips ? |
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| 19:40.35 | giacomo_c | is now a good time to upgrade to sid? |
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| 19:41.00 | Eulex | ulifer, also make sure that you've got the firmware for the driver installed |
| 19:41.30 | ulifer | FATAL: Module iwl3945 not found. |
| 19:41.38 | ulifer | Eulex: any way to check that? |
| 19:42.04 | Eulex | ulifer, hmm, etch and a 2.6.18 kernel, I presume? |
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| 19:42.12 | jair | Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) <= this is what I get in "lspci -v" |
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| 19:42.32 | xingu | netcrash: do you have to use nfs3? it's kind of obsolete. |
| 19:42.52 | Eulex | ulifer, look up etch'n'half, install the kernel from there, and install the firmware-iwlwifi package. |
| 19:42.53 | xingu | ulifer: what does "uname -r" report |
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| 19:42.56 | Eulex | !etchnhalf |
| 19:42.56 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 19:42.57 | netcrash | xingu: yes :( |
| 19:42.59 | ma3x | i have libapache2-mod-php5 and php5 installed. I just put a phpinfo( ); script inside .html file and when i open it, it doesn't display anything. what's wrong? |
| 19:43.12 | ulifer | xingu: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 19:43.29 | jelly-uk | ma3x: .html files aren't parsed by php by default. make the extension .php |
| 19:43.32 | Eulex | ma3x, php statements in .html files are not executed. at least not by default. |
| 19:43.33 | xingu | aah, as eulex says grab something less obsolete from etchnhalf |
| 19:43.39 | xingu | ma3x: hey! |
| 19:43.48 | ma3x | hey xingu sup bro? |
| 19:44.22 | xingu | ma3x: I don't know if you recall or not, but I think we talked once ages back about you trying to get the system time-of-day clock regulated in a ms virtual pc 2007 virtual machine |
| 19:44.28 | Eulex | ma3x, rename to .php, also make sure that you begin the file with <? |
| 19:44.33 | netcrash | xingu: the way the mount points are , it's dificult to change the strucute , / user / {1,2,3,4}, 1 and 2 are on the say-me machine the others are mounted remotely same happens in reverse to the other machine |
| 19:45.04 | xingu | netcrash: just looking some stuff up; nfs4 makes this painless you know, it's built into the protocol... |
| 19:45.10 | ulifer | Eulex: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf/linux-modules this is etchnhalf? |
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| 19:45.46 | ma3x | xingu: in vmware? |
| 19:45.49 | xingu | ma3x: anyway, I got it stable; all you need to do is disable speedstep on the host side via _bios_ EIST/C1E option, and, build a kernel with a low-ish hz value |
| 19:45.55 | Eulex | ulifer, iwl3945 is part of the 2.6.24 kernel package in etchnhalf. |
| 19:46.06 | xingu | ma3x: yours might've been; mine is in the msft freebie (vpc 2007) |
| 19:46.17 | netcrash | xingu: the way I saw the config , looks like it has to be a tree structure (root of export) /sub-shares |
| 19:46.31 | ma3x | xingu: yeah i couldn't get it done back then, the clock seemed to be very inaccurate jumping back and forth every 30 secs or so .... |
| 19:46.38 | xingu | ma3x: the key is disabling speedstep; once you do that the host presents a regular-enough tick to the guest |
| 19:46.40 | ulifer | Eulex: i'm searching for iwl3945 on that site, I see nothing |
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| 19:46.56 | xingu | ma3x: ... and ntp can regulate on the guest side from there. as it turns out. :) |
| 19:46.57 | Eulex | ulifer, because it's not available separately. |
| 19:46.58 | ma3x | xingu: and what's the value of the clock HZ paramenter for the kernel? |
| 19:47.20 | Eulex | ulifer, just get a 2.6.24 kernel belonging to etchnhalf, and you will get iwl3945. |
| 19:47.51 | xingu | ma3x: I'm using HZ=100; I've also knocked out the dyntick support (NO_HZ=n) |
| 19:47.58 | ulifer | Eulex: i'm sorry I don't quite understand, I'm supposed to degrade down to a 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 19:48.09 | ma3x | xingu: anyway I don't know when that was, but I dumped vmware long time ago, I simply stick to debian |
| 19:48.12 | xingu | ma3x: not sure if dyntick can be supported or not; but the point is - wa-hey! a working config. |
| 19:48.23 | xingu | ma3x: just for your (future) reference anyway |
| 19:48.28 | Eulex | ulifer, no, upgrade? you're running a 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 19:48.34 | ma3x | xingu: isn't the default value 2000 in the precompiled kernel images? |
| 19:48.50 | ma3x | xingu: sure, glad you got it working! |
| 19:48.51 | xingu | ma3x: I think it's 250HZ in deb default |
| 19:48.59 | ma3x | ah yeah it was something like that |
| 19:49.23 | xingu | ma3x: but yeah; turns out the real source of error is speedstep on the _host_ side (the guest has no way to compensate for that) |
| 19:50.00 | xingu | ma3x: ... and 'doze being the feature-riddled thing that it is, if bios c1e/eist support is enabled, 'doze always speedsteps (check cpu-z) |
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| 19:50.28 | Eulex | ma3x, never been 2000. |
| 19:50.48 | adiais | So, what I'm understanding is that even if you're logged in at the console, you cannot point xterm to ttyS0, and you /have/ to use minicom or the like? |
| 19:50.54 | xingu | right, back to nfs |
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| 19:52.14 | mu-dev | adiais: or a getty |
| 19:52.14 | ulifer | Eulex: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel?highlight=%28kernel%29 following this, i don't see the image in my apt-cache search linux-image , what's an alternative way to get it? |
| 19:52.44 | mu-dev | xterm is not designed to be a serial console |
| 19:52.56 | \amethyst | a getty wouldn't do what you want though---it would send a login prompt to the switch |
| 19:53.23 | mu-dev | you could put a minicom in a screen |
| 19:53.28 | ma3x | xingu: but disabling speedstep is not cool, i mean why have your cpu running at max speed if you don't always use it? |
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| 19:53.56 | Eulex | ulifer, try apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.24 |
| 19:54.13 | ma3x | how do you make apache read php inside html? |
| 19:54.14 | mu-dev | which is probably a good first cut, at minimum |
| 19:54.15 | xingu | ma3x: right, it's sub-optimal on that front; but if you need a stable _guest_ tick, this is how you get it if the host is 'doze |
| 19:54.24 | ulifer | Eulex: none |
| 19:54.33 | adiais | mu-dev: that is what was suggested. Ok, I thought one would point a terminal emulator at a port and off you'd go. COol enough, thanks! |
| 19:54.42 | adiais | \amethyst: you also. /nod |
| 19:54.42 | ulifer | i only see, linux-image-2.6-486 , 686 , 2.6.18-6-486/686 |
| 19:54.48 | xingu | netcrash: right; does the server have an rpc.statd? |
| 19:54.55 | Eulex | ulifer, can you try running apt-get update and then retrying? |
| 19:54.57 | ma3x | xingu: i'll remember that for the future if i use vmware again thanks! |
| 19:55.08 | netcrash | xingu: yes |
| 19:55.28 | ulifer | Eulex: same thing, btw this is a brand new install of cd1 |
| 19:55.47 | Eulex | ulifer, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 19:56.21 | ulifer | http://pastebin.ca/1266057 |
| 19:56.40 | kaduk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.40 | kaduk | Invalid governor 'performance' |
| 19:56.43 | kaduk | whats wrong? |
| 19:56.47 | kaduk | I have this governor |
| 19:56.50 | Eulex | kaduk, is the module loaded? |
| 19:56.50 | ulifer | Eulex: # |
| 19:56.50 | ulifer | # |
| 19:56.57 | kaduk | Eulex, its build in |
| 19:57.00 | ulifer | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/1266057 |
| 19:57.04 | Eulex | kaduk, don't do that. |
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| 19:57.14 | kaduk | Eulex, I have all as modules |
| 19:57.23 | Eulex | kaduk, so, are they loaded? |
| 19:57.31 | kaduk | Eulex, they're build in |
| 19:57.34 | kaduk | Eulex, all of them |
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| 19:57.52 | kaduk | Eulex, and conservative is default one, but I want to switch to preformance now |
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| 19:57.57 | Eulex | they're either built into the kernel or built as modules |
| 19:58.08 | kaduk | Eulex, yes I have them build in kernel |
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| 19:58.18 | Eulex | I don't think you understand |
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| 19:58.40 | mu-dev | kaduk: they are either built into the kernel or they are built as separate modules |
| 19:58.50 | Eulex | not both :) |
| 19:58.52 | eptalon | kaduk: whats the question? |
| 19:58.52 | mu-dev | maybe you should pastebin your .config |
| 19:59.03 | kaduk | mu-dev, I have them all build in kernel! :) |
| 19:59.11 | Eulex | kaduk, any specific reason you're compiling your own kernel? |
| 19:59.13 | kaduk | mu-dev, I just want to switch to another one |
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| 19:59.20 | kaduk | Eulex, yes patches |
| 19:59.28 | mu-dev | switch to what? |
| 19:59.36 | kaduk | mu-dev, other governor |
| 19:59.41 | mu-dev | oh ok |
| 19:59.53 | Eulex | ulifer, your sources.list only references the debian cd1. you do not have any official debian mirror in there. and the security.debian.org lines are commented out, so you are not getting security updates. |
| 19:59.55 | mu-dev | so it would be helpful to know what governors you have |
| 19:59.59 | kaduk | Eulex, Why should not I ? Its always a good thing to do that ! |
| 20:00.10 | kaduk | Eulex, even if You're not patching |
| 20:00.18 | Eulex | I do not agree that it's always a good thing |
| 20:00.40 | adiais | mu-dev; \amethyst, xingu: beauty, worked like a charm, thanks much all. Peace. |
| 20:00.44 | mu-dev | kaduk: harder to get help with. at -minimum-, you should pastebin your .config |
| 20:00.53 | kaduk | Eulex, you can tune everything to your hardware like processor, acpi |
| 20:00.59 | xingu | netcrash: roughly how long does it take the clients to recover after a server reboot if they're left to their own devices? |
| 20:01.14 | mu-dev | harder for #debian helpers... sometimes this is valid, sometimes not. |
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| 20:01.50 | kaduk | mu-dev, http://213.21.76.105/~mateusz/zrzutekranu.png |
| 20:01.52 | kaduk | Eulex, http://213.21.76.105/~mateusz/zrzutekranu.png |
| 20:02.23 | kaduk | default is conservative I want to change to another one |
| 20:02.28 | Eulex | kaduk, which does not make any bigger difference nowadays. also, most stuff is built as modules in the stock debian kernels anyway. |
| 20:02.37 | eptalon | Eulex: look the "Kernel" needs certain "drivers" to access hardware. There are two options to supply these drivers: either they are statically linked (and part of the kernel), or they are provided as "modules" that can be loaded on demand. |
| 20:02.53 | Eulex | kaduk, is cpufreq-performance listed in lsmod? |
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| 20:03.07 | kaduk | Eulex, have You seen screen shot? |
| 20:03.30 | ulifer | Eulex: yeah fixed it, now installing linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 |
| 20:03.41 | Eulex | eptalon, _I_ get it. but it appears that either kaduk didn't understand me, or doesn't understand it. |
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| 20:03.43 | mu-dev | kaduk: still you should pastebin your .config |
| 20:04.24 | eptalon | btw: how long does it take to copy 150G over an USB2 connection? |
| 20:04.28 | kaduk | mu-dev, http://213.21.76.105/~mateusz/config.txt |
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| 20:04.36 | Eulex | kaduk, so you built it statically into the kernel, and not as a module? well, you're on your own if you're doing this, and I believe I've heard about people doing this before: and it _did_ _not_ work. build them as modules. |
| 20:04.50 | netcrash | xingu: not sure, 90sec. or I'm confusing values |
| 20:05.02 | kqr | can i make cut use any whitespace to delimit fields? (like, " " counts as ONE delimiter) |
| 20:05.09 | kaduk | Eulex, ok so switching is not possible when they're not as modules thanks |
| 20:05.10 | mu-dev | Eulex: so he finally provided his .config |
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| 20:05.22 | \amethyst | kqr: no, but you can use something like awk instead |
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| 20:05.35 | Eulex | kaduk, well, it _should_ be, but there appears to be some bug. |
| 20:05.36 | kaduk | Eulex, not they cannot be all build as modules! |
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| 20:05.50 | kaduk | Eulex, the default one must be built in |
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| 20:06.07 | eptalon | kaduk: When they are "bulit into the kernel", they are either there or arent. They can't be loaded on demand. |
| 20:06.18 | Eulex | kaduk, you appear to be correct at that point, yes |
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| 20:06.24 | kqr | \amethyst: oh, long since i used awk, is there something to get started somewhere? |
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| 20:06.35 | Eulex | eptalon, do you know what a cpufreq governor is? |
| 20:06.40 | \amethyst | kqr: awk '{print $2,$3,$4}' for example |
| 20:06.41 | Eulex | and how you use them? |
| 20:06.43 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 20:06.44 | kaduk | eptalon, I dont want to load them, I know that they're present, I just want to switch to another one |
| 20:06.59 | \amethyst | kqr: awk is a complete programming language, but to extract columns is pretty simple |
| 20:07.13 | kqr | \amethyst: okey |
| 20:07.23 | eptalon | kaduk: thats not possible. |
| 20:07.42 | eptalon | kaduk: not unless you build them "as modules" |
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| 20:07.44 | kqr | \amethyst: ah, thanks |
| 20:07.54 | kaduk | eptalon, You cant build all as modules |
| 20:08.12 | kaduk | eptalon, the default one is built in always |
| 20:08.23 | eptalon | kaduk: What specific driver are we talking about? |
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| 20:08.31 | xingu | netcrash: ok that sounds about right for nfs3 with stock timers; the client mount options which will impact are "soft" (verses "hard"), "timeou=", and "retrans="; you really do want to be running nfs on _tcp_ if at all possible |
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| 20:08.49 | kaduk | eptalon, http://213.21.76.105/~mateusz/zrzutekranu.png |
| 20:09.02 | xingu | netcrash: and lastly it may be worth auditting the _server's_ init scripts to make sure it runs either "exportfs -r" or "exportfs -a" _before_ nfsd - if - it is a linux system. |
| 20:09.03 | ulifer | Eulex: hmm, I installed the linux-image-2.6.24 kernel and rebooted, but still no valid interfaces in iwconfig |
| 20:09.17 | ulifer | Eulex: anything I need to do after installing the kernel besides reboot? |
| 20:09.19 | Eulex | ulifer, did you install the firmware? and are you running the new kernel? |
| 20:09.36 | ulifer | Eulex: did not install firmware, do i just search for it in aptitude search ? |
| 20:09.40 | eptalon | kaduk: read the doc? |
| 20:09.43 | ulifer | Eulex: yes i am running the kernel |
| 20:09.57 | kaduk | epsilon, sure |
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| 20:10.02 | ulifer | Eulex: ok installing the firmware now |
| 20:10.02 | kaduk | eptalon, sure |
| 20:10.07 | xingu | netcrash: "probably" you want to experiment first of all with (in order); get nfs mounting over _tcp_ (defaults to udp); then enable soft mounts; then tinker with timeo and retry together. |
| 20:10.12 | ulifer | Eulex: should I reboot now? |
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| 20:10.26 | Eulex | ulifer, a third option would be taking note of the things I'm telling you that appear to be important ;) |
| 20:10.32 | netcrash | xingu: thanks , going to try your sugestions |
| 20:10.43 | xingu | netcrash: if the server is a linux variant - audit it to make sure it's running exportfs first; this will have the greatest payoff if it's not. |
| 20:10.44 | Eulex | ulifer, you should be able to just unload and load the module again, no reboot needed |
| 20:11.11 | ulifer | Eulex: thanks, that fixed it |
| 20:11.33 | ulifer | Eulex: i will take note next time, thanks |
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| 20:12.01 | kaduk | eptalon, and? |
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| 20:14.36 | eptalon | kaduk: ?? |
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| 20:14.59 | kaduk | eptalon, I still dont know how to fix this |
| 20:15.09 | kaduk | eptalon, You cant compile all of them as modules |
| 20:15.16 | kqr | how do i concatenate a string with some kind of output using echo in bash? |
| 20:15.29 | kaduk | eptalon, actually preformance and powersave can be built in only |
| 20:15.57 | enouf | kqr: use '>>' |
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| 20:16.05 | Eulex | kaduk, compile one statically (performance is built in in the debian kernels) and the rest as modules. |
| 20:16.06 | eptalon | kaduk: the kernel doc should say how ot activate them. |
| 20:16.39 | kaduk | eptalon, cpufreq-selector --governor performance which use sysfs |
| 20:16.47 | kqr | enouf: ah cool |
| 20:17.12 | kqr | enouf: wait, how? :P |
| 20:17.16 | kaduk | Eulex, powersave and preformance must be staticaly you cannot compile them as modules, I'll try to put in modules the rest |
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| 20:18.01 | kaduk | Eulex, sorry preformance and conservative are static and I cannot change it |
| 20:18.16 | enouf | !tell kqr about bash faq |
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| 20:18.38 | kqr | enouf: okey, thx :D |
| 20:19.01 | Eulex | kaduk, in at least the debian 2.6.18, 2.6.24 and 2.6.26 kernels, performance is y, rest is m. |
| 20:19.30 | kaduk | Eulex, yes but when You set as default conservative then preformance will not be available as module |
| 20:19.38 | enouf | there are likely boot time options as well, whether builtin or compiled as a module |
| 20:19.43 | kaduk | Eulex, it will be still as static |
| 20:19.55 | kaduk | Eulex, so switching to it is not possible? |
| 20:21.01 | Eulex | kaduk, in addition to the above, performance is the default governor in debian kernels. switching to performance and back to ondemand works very well here, on a debian kernel. |
| 20:21.10 | \amethyst | quote the url, but yeah |
| 20:21.11 | \amethyst | doh |
| 20:21.23 | enouf | O_o |
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| 20:22.10 | Eulex | kaduk, I suggest going with the way it is configured in the debian kernels (it is very thoroughly tested), unless you really must configure it differently. |
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| 20:22.36 | kaduk | Eulex, you mean preformance as default ? |
| 20:23.02 | Eulex | kaduk, yes. use cpufreq-utils to set something else on boot. |
| 20:23.24 | kaduk | Eulex, one more thing |
| 20:23.26 | kaduk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.35 | kaduk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.45 | kaduk | I have Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8300 |
| 20:23.54 | kaduk | so it should be fine |
| 20:23.59 | Eulex | do you have a cpufreq driver loaded for your cpu? |
| 20:24.14 | Eulex | acpi_cpufreq would be the one for a c2d |
| 20:24.32 | kaduk | no:| |
| 20:24.40 | kaduk | ok thats why |
| 20:25.09 | Eulex | you don't have to rebuild your kernel to get it, do you? |
| 20:25.18 | kaduk | no I dont have to:) |
| 20:25.22 | kaduk | I have it as module |
| 20:25.34 | kaduk | not it works |
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| 20:25.36 | kaduk | now it works |
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| 20:26.50 | eptalon | I am doing a copying with rsync, and I get 20-25% IOWait (USB2, SATA-II), would this be lower if I used SAS or SCSI? |
| 20:27.21 | Eulex | eptalon, most likely. |
| 20:27.31 | xingu | eptalon: no, rsync is hideously efficient; the disk is almost certainly the weakest link. |
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| 20:28.13 | xingu | eptalon: if you run "vmstat 1" and pastebin the numbers somewhere I can take a closer look |
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| 20:29.38 | enouf | likely your usb controller's TTs (transaction translators) |
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| 20:30.31 | enouf | hrm .. or is it a mount option issue .. |
| 20:30.54 | xingu | the only odd thing is that it's _only_ 25% iowait, it should be 100%. :) |
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| 20:31.06 | xingu | what that says is that the mix is seeky |
| 20:31.08 | enouf | heh |
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| 20:31.27 | xingu | or as you say that the controller is crap (or crapping out) |
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| 20:32.35 | cgibin | i got what it was askin for however, its still a issue, http://pastebin.com/m7c6e8846 |
| 20:33.06 | eptalon | who wanted the numbers? http://pastebin.com/d1d5ffa47 |
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| 20:33.14 | mu-dev | SystemFAILURE: perhaps you could say something :P |
| 20:33.15 | xingu | me, I'm a sucker for numbers |
| 20:33.20 | SystemFAILURE | mu-dev:: lol |
| 20:33.29 | xingu | eptalon: right, so walking you through this |
| 20:34.13 | xingu | eptalon: r/b is read/blocking; so you have mostly-2 processes reading and oscillating between 1 and 0 blocking |
| 20:34.36 | enouf | gah! eptalon .. use a pastebin that can display plain text!! |
| 20:34.54 | eptalon | xingu: ok. |
| 20:34.54 | xingu | eptalon: bi/bo are blocks in/ out; that looks very healthy for your setup (>25k/s) |
| 20:35.20 | enouf | loves off-centered, and misaligned - but not in computer output ;-) |
| 20:35.39 | eptalon | xingu: copying a USB2 to a raid5.. |
| 20:35.43 | xingu | eptalon: the only thing there that wants a closer look into is where the contention is coming from; you have another task _in addition_ to the rsync which is pounding at the same volume more than likely and turning what should be a nice long schluuuuuuuuuuuuurp into a seeky scatter |
| 20:36.08 | xingu | eptalon: it's a read-mostly process from the looks |
| 20:36.18 | eptalon | xingu: I am listening ot mjusic on that array. |
| 20:36.48 | eptalon | xingu: A Bach concerto |
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| 20:37.18 | xingu | eptalon: actually r/b are "waiting to run" and "blocking in uninterruptable sleep" my mistake; but the prognosis holds regardless - the ready-to-run tasks are almost certainly waiting on cpu resource, the blocking task is almost certainly waiting on either the read or the write side. |
| 20:37.44 | xingu | eptalon: that shouldn't really matter, it should be (in io terms) a relatively short read |
| 20:38.12 | joh | Hi, I'm experiencing some wierd SSH/rsync errors. I have a script which collects backup from our servers using rsync and then pushes a copy of this backup to a remote server. This script is run periodicly by cron (backup users crontab). However I sometimes get this error reported from cron: Host key verification failed. rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender] rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(635) [sender |
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| 20:38.18 | xingu | eptalon: actually just thinking about it some more the blocking task probably is just rsync (ie no io contention); what's making it block is that usb is comparitively slow and also cpu-wise expensive |
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| 20:38.58 | eptalon | xingu: next external disk use firewire? |
| 20:39.06 | xingu | eptalon: if you direct-attached the usb disk to a sata controller or whatever the sleep time (and "sy" colum - system time) would fall but the io would probably still complete in the same time |
| 20:39.17 | xingu | eptalon: it'd be less cpu expensive for sure |
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| 20:39.28 | enouf | mine eyes can see! http://pastebin.ca/raw/1266083 |
| 20:39.34 | jelly-uk | eptalon: eSATA! |
| 20:39.43 | xingu | eptalon: but probably no faster; in disk terms all that really matters is rpm, bit density, and average seek times (not track step time) |
| 20:40.07 | jelly-uk | xingu: no, usb is really crappy and one doesn't get the platter speed |
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| 20:40.39 | jelly-uk | xingu: 60-70MB/s eSATA, 25-27MB/s USB2, same device |
| 20:40.43 | eptalon | xingu: USB2 is limited to 60 MByte/sec |
| 20:40.58 | xingu | eptalon: if you're trying to run a compute job at the same time you might start to worry about the system time being burnt there; but your idle time column tells me that there's nothing else to do regardless |
| 20:41.10 | jelly-uk | eptalon: I'd be thrilled if I saw a USB device give 45-50MB/s |
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| 20:41.26 | enouf | eptalon: you will never see the theoretical usb2.0 spec limit speed |
| 20:41.37 | eptalon | xingu: 20-25% system, about 20% iowait, 40% idle |
| 20:42.09 | eptalon | enouf: true. like with everything, there is protocol overhead. |
| 20:42.10 | xingu | jelly-uk: you're assuming that whatever's behind the bus is being throttled by it, it's just as possible that it's a low bit density microdrive or slow flash part |
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| 20:42.27 | xingu | eptalon: what's plugged into the usb2 side? is it a hdd and if so - what? |
| 20:42.29 | jelly-uk | xingu: _same device_ |
| 20:42.46 | eptalon | xingu: What reason is there to put a fast drive behind a SLOW BUS? |
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| 20:43.09 | xingu | eptalon: yep, the same numbers (sy,wa,id) are right there in vmstat :) |
| 20:43.30 | xingu | eptalon: cost? |
| 20:43.45 | jelly-uk | ubiquity of the interface |
| 20:43.55 | xingu | eptalon: what's the usb drive hardware, we can get this from a spec sheet |
| 20:43.57 | \\localhost | Hello, is someone free to help me packaging a software in pm ? thx |
| 20:44.10 | ulifer | I need help with audio, I have a brand new install for debian with kernel 2.6.24 and lspci shows 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:44.14 | SystemFAILURE | !tell google to \\localhost |
| 20:44.21 | eptalon | xingu: external USB2 hdd, 320GB, 3.5 inch |
| 20:44.25 | xingu | oh |
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| 20:44.34 | hellues | hey |
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| 20:44.38 | xingu | eptalon: at 320GB you're definitely suffering at the hands of usb |
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| 20:44.42 | jelly-uk | \\localhost: likely you won't find many candidate for private help |
| 20:44.44 | hellues | are there a problem in security.debian.org |
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| 20:44.55 | \\localhost | SystemFAILURE i've googled, but its to adopt a package and there is no doc about it :) |
| 20:45.06 | \\localhost | jelly-uk hmm i see... |
| 20:45.09 | xingu | eptalon: sorry; if you rip that drive out and connect it up to an esata or firewire800 interface it'll probably double in speed. |
| 20:45.10 | vipersniper | does the "ifstate" file get recreated everytime the computer reboots? |
| 20:45.16 | SystemFAILURE | hellues:: mmh ? maybe that I'm not the only user having some problems with sources update ? |
| 20:45.17 | eptalon | xingu: thats what I said, next drive should be something like firewire or eSATA. |
| 20:45.42 | enouf | !tell ulifer about alsa checklist |
| 20:45.45 | xingu | eptalon: not sure fw400 would buy you much, willing to have someone (hint jelly) quote numbers |
| 20:45.49 | enouf | !tell ulifer about soundcheck |
| 20:46.06 | jelly-uk | eptalon: funny thing, my WD device has SMART support over USB, but _not_ SATA (there's a sata-to-sata bridge involved) |
| 20:46.08 | bolt | err... |
| 20:46.23 | ulifer | I ran alsaconfig, but sound still isn't working |
| 20:46.33 | bolt | my new nic says: "lifetime guarantee (blahblahblah) guaranteed for the life of the product" |
| 20:46.42 | bolt | so they guarantee it works until it dies |
| 20:46.44 | ulifer | alsaconfig found hda-intel card |
| 20:46.44 | bolt | brilliant |
| 20:46.45 | enouf | ulifer: see #ubuntu |
| 20:46.47 | xingu | eptalon: but even the _same drive_ as jelly was saying - at 320GB it's probably either pata on a notebook mini-40wire interface or sata; you should be able to screwdriver the housing apart and do something more sensible with it :) |
| 20:47.04 | xingu | jelly: yuck |
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| 20:47.39 | enouf | jelly: yikes |
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| 20:47.59 | jelly-uk | xingu: too bad linux usb drivers know nothing about their (proprietary?) ata-commands-over-usb |
| 20:48.03 | xingu | eptalon: anyway, point being the only real surprise here is that your iowait time is _only_ 25%; ideally for this case you'd be at 100%, busy-waiting on io to complete until it all had |
| 20:48.05 | enouf | device == MyBook or someshit? |
| 20:48.07 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/22175/ look here |
| 20:48.23 | xingu | jelly-uk: actually that's changing for some values of "their" |
| 20:48.28 | jelly-uk | enouf: yes, but there are a lot of devices under the brand |
| 20:48.46 | jelly-uk | different ones, I mean |
| 20:49.13 | eptalon | enouf: device: no-name 320G external 3.5 HDD |
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| 20:49.18 | jelly-uk | xingu: oh... iowait = 25% can mean 100% on one of four cores! |
| 20:49.27 | hellues | i take a warning from security.debian.org |
| 20:49.36 | ulifer | enouf: in the 2nd step, i don't even see a 'audio' group to add myself into |
| 20:49.44 | enouf | bolt: you didn't brick your marvell yukon sky?? did you? |
| 20:50.27 | xingu | jelly-uk: not sure about that _per vmstat_ - doesn't it roll them up? |
| 20:50.28 | bolt | enouf: didn't know i had one... |
| 20:50.34 | enouf | eptalon: i was asking jelly-uk about 'device == .. ' (sorry about the confusion) |
| 20:51.13 | enouf | spams bolt with massive amounts of eeproms |
| 20:51.30 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:51.39 | bolt | yikes |
| 20:51.51 | eptalon | xingu: so whats a good way to attach external HDDs.. USB doesn't seem to be. |
| 20:51.59 | enouf | ulifer: which release of debian are you running? |
| 20:52.00 | ulifer | enouf: when I had ubuntu, it as working, idk if asking on #ubuntu will help |
| 20:52.08 | ulifer | enouf: 4 |
| 20:52.24 | enouf | !find alsaconfig |
| 20:52.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'alsaconfig' returned no results. |
| 20:52.43 | enouf | !lose ulifer |
| 20:52.44 | dpkg | ulifer: You Lose. |
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| 20:52.54 | ulifer | !find alsaconf |
| 20:52.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (2): (/usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/alsaconf.vim, /usr/share/vim/vim72/ftplugin/alsaconf.vim) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/sbin/alsaconf, /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo, /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 20:53.03 | ulifer | !win ulifer |
| 20:53.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, ulifer! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:53.14 | enouf | ulifer: yes, "alsaconf" exists ... ah bah duh |
| 20:53.25 | xingu | eptalon: esata's the best bus interface speedwise; firewire800 has bus power which can be nice. |
| 20:53.41 | jelly-uk | xingu: [vmstat] I think so, just compared iostat %util to vmstat on a busy dualcore system |
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| 20:54.04 | ulifer | enouf: i've tried running alsaconf |
| 20:54.05 | xingu | jelly-uk: you may find that even your bastard child usb sata bridge supports atacb |
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| 20:54.11 | ulifer | enouf: card is detected |
| 20:54.18 | enouf | ulifer: that's acceptable |
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| 20:54.28 | enouf | alsaconfig is not |
| 20:54.38 | ulifer | enouf: yeah, typo |
| 20:54.56 | ulifer | enouf: my mistake, i read somewhere alsa configuration and i just accidently typed alsaconfig here |
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| 20:55.11 | enouf | let's move on then - so dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 20:55.30 | jelly-uk | xingu: oh, that sata bridge died miserably, I need to replace the drive to test. (still under warranty but only gets properly detected over usb now... hotplug my !$$) |
| 20:55.35 | ulifer | enouf: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:55.51 | enouf | ok ulifer .. so, no audio group exists? |
| 20:55.51 | xingu | jelly-uk: just tested vmstat here, dualcore, dd if=/dev/zero of=hugefile |
| 20:56.02 | jelly-uk | xingu: and it said 100? |
| 20:56.08 | ulifer | enouf: no I don't see it |
| 20:56.10 | hellues | hey |
| 20:56.10 | xingu | jelly-uk: hit 91% |
| 20:56.19 | jelly-uk | hmph |
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| 20:56.24 | enouf | ulifer: does your audio work as root user? |
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| 20:56.30 | hellues | http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Release: Unable to find expected entry non-fee/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) i actually took this mistake from security.debian.org how can i fix that |
| 20:56.37 | sneeze | Help! We had a server with 2GB of RAM and we upgraded to 16GB of RAM but i686 does not see the extra RAM is there a 64bit kernel upgrade for Xeon CPUs? |
| 20:56.41 | hellues | o i see |
| 20:56.58 | xingu | jelly-uk: system's otherwise idle (it's my slightly-less-monster-by-today's-standards '07 monster notebook) |
| 20:57.04 | DrEeevil | sneeze: that implies either a full reinstall or switching to amd64 |
| 20:57.09 | DrEeevil | err |
| 20:57.12 | DrEeevil | resets brain |
| 20:57.17 | ulifer | enouf: no, but after running alsaconf , i get these errors when i test an mp3 with mplayer |
| 20:57.18 | DrEeevil | enabling PAE might work too |
| 20:57.25 | xingu | 07? '06... wow, time flies. |
| 20:57.28 | sneeze | Full reinstall to what? |
| 20:57.31 | enouf | !tell sneeze -about bigmem |
| 20:57.59 | sneeze | Can I upgrade to the bigmem kernel? |
| 20:58.07 | ulifer | enouf: these are the errors i get when i try to play something in mplayer http://pastebin.ca/1266097 |
| 20:58.14 | enouf | sneeze: easily ... but amd64 arch is the way to go |
| 20:58.17 | jelly-uk | xingu: yeah, I'm probably in the wrong here |
| 20:58.19 | DrEeevil | yeah, PAE ... that ugly hack that doesn't fix the issue ;) |
| 20:58.30 | eptalon | sneeze: yes, simply install it. |
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| 20:59.06 | jelly-uk | sneeze: use either an -amd64 or a -686-bigmem kernel |
| 20:59.11 | pen | CutMeOwnThroat: hi |
| 20:59.21 | pen | CutMeOwnThroat: I still couldn't make xsession work |
| 20:59.48 | enouf | ulifer: if audio still doesn't work as root user, than 'audio' group doesn't matter .. but you should have one, and your users should be part of it - as well as other groups., such as; "adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev" and maybe more |
| 20:59.50 | jelly-uk | sneeze, DrEeevil: there are -amd64 kernel packages even for debian i386 |
| 21:00.14 | DrEeevil | jelly-uk: whee. 32bit userland is not really supported with a 64bit kernel on x86 |
| 21:00.20 | DrEeevil | using that is a recipe for special fun |
| 21:00.31 | jelly-uk | DrEeevil: why? userspace doesn't care at all |
| 21:00.34 | ulifer | enouf: ok those errors don't show again, after running alsaconf once more |
| 21:00.40 | ulifer | enouf: but stil no sound |
| 21:00.42 | ulifer | enouf: alright |
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| 21:01.02 | DrEeevil | jelly-uk: you must like backwards solutions ;) |
| 21:01.07 | jelly-uk | DrEeevil: it just works |
| 21:01.07 | pen | anyone know how to make the sustem read .xsesssion |
| 21:01.18 | pen | apparently mine doesn't |
| 21:01.21 | enouf | pen: use a DM? |
| 21:01.25 | jelly-uk | DrEeevil: and is better than using a PAE kernel |
| 21:01.39 | pen | enouf: DM? |
| 21:01.41 | sneeze | Just to be clear I can't use -amd64 with Xeon, is that correct? |
| 21:01.44 | pen | enouf: I use xmonad |
| 21:01.45 | enouf | pen: otherwise try an ~/.xinitrc |
| 21:01.50 | mu-dev | pen: make your .xsession log something |
| 21:01.52 | DrEeevil | and why not use a native 64bit env? |
| 21:01.55 | mu-dev | then test it |
| 21:01.55 | jelly-uk | DrEeevil: sure the apps still have their 4^H3 GB address space, but hey |
| 21:01.57 | illio | How would I check if my Debian syslog server is working? |
| 21:01.57 | pen | enouf: I currently using gdm |
| 21:02.02 | DrEeevil | sneeze: modern xeons are amd64 |
| 21:02.05 | pen | mu-dev: log? |
| 21:02.09 | DrEeevil | historical insanity :) |
| 21:02.11 | ulifer | enouf: ok i fixed it |
| 21:02.11 | mu-dev | if it logs it, then it is running |
| 21:02.17 | enouf | pen: then gdm should honor your ~/.xsession |
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| 21:02.28 | jelly-uk | sneeze: you can, -amd64 kernels work with core2duo+ intel cpus, too |
| 21:02.31 | enouf | ulifer: wonderful - you da man ;-) |
| 21:02.57 | enouf | pen: try gdmconfig? or whatever it is |
| 21:03.01 | pen | enouf: it should, but I'm not sure |
| 21:03.07 | sneeze | I have Xeon X5365 will that work? |
| 21:03.10 | mu-dev | pen: basic troubleshooting. prove either that it is or is not read. |
| 21:03.21 | illio | mu-dev, yeah but the only machine I have available to test it is a FreeBSD machine.. so I just edited /etc/syslog.conf , added "*.* @debiantest" and restarted the syslog service .. However nothings really turning up? |
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| 21:03.35 | jelly-uk | sneeze: yes! How many times do we need to repeat! |
| 21:03.44 | sneeze | Sorry. |
| 21:03.51 | pen | mu-dev: the program doesn't get executed in login so the file is not read |
| 21:03.51 | enouf | illio: check /var/log/syslog ? |
| 21:04.13 | pen | enouf: I tried gdm config something |
| 21:04.15 | enouf | illio: oh |
| 21:04.20 | mu-dev | not necessarily, the program could fail for other reasons. |
| 21:04.28 | mu-dev | prove xsession is not read. |
| 21:04.30 | pen | enouf: the script is used, the xclient script |
| 21:04.31 | enouf | illio: you want remote logging.? see /etc/default/syslog* |
| 21:04.32 | j-b | Excuse me, where can I go and discuss about DFSG ? |
| 21:04.45 | jelly-uk | sneeze: what app(s) are you running on it? 32bit apps won't be able to access more than 4GB |
| 21:04.51 | pen | mu-dev: I told you the program does not run |
| 21:04.54 | enouf | pen: i never used gdm :-/ dunno |
| 21:04.57 | mu-dev | yjsy fprdm |
| 21:04.58 | pen | mu-dev: how much more can I prove? |
| 21:04.59 | jelly-uk | sneeze: (each process by itseld) |
| 21:05.21 | enouf | pen: set -x at the top of your ~/.xsession |
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| 21:05.31 | illio | enouf, okay |
| 21:05.31 | mu-dev | oops, hands wrong place |
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| 21:05.45 | pen | enouf: -x? what do you mean? |
| 21:05.52 | mu-dev | make the .xsession do something simple |
| 21:05.52 | pen | enouf: like a line -x? |
| 21:05.54 | sneeze | Its going to be a VMWare server. |
| 21:06.03 | pen | mu-dev: mine is already very simple |
| 21:06.08 | pen | mu-dev: let me pastevin |
| 21:06.10 | pen | bin |
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| 21:06.26 | mu-dev | I mean simple like touch a file |
| 21:06.32 | mu-dev | and see if it appears |
| 21:06.45 | enouf | pen: yes "set -x", or "bash -x" |
| 21:06.46 | pen | mu-dev: touch? |
| 21:06.55 | ulifer | what should I include in the sources.list file to install pidgin? |
| 21:06.57 | mu-dev | man touch |
| 21:07.03 | pen | enouf: before the sebang? |
| 21:07.06 | pen | shbag |
| 21:07.09 | enouf | next line |
| 21:07.31 | pen | enouf: so I write set -x |
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| 21:07.38 | pen | enouf: what do you expect it will do? |
| 21:07.57 | enouf | pen: #!/bin/bash |
| 21:07.57 | enouf | set -x |
| 21:08.03 | jelly-uk | weird and wonderful things |
| 21:08.08 | pen | enouf: yes, I did that |
| 21:08.13 | pen | enouf: I saved the file |
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| 21:08.25 | pen | enouf: what do you expect the file to do when I startup? |
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| 21:08.42 | mu-dev | pen: you should become familiar with the basics of your os |
| 21:08.55 | mu-dev | things like permissions and simple commands |
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| 21:09.06 | tknudsen | is it as easy to build things under debian as gentoo? is build information readily available? |
| 21:09.18 | enouf | !tell pen about xsession |
| 21:09.51 | guiton | hi ! How to install debian on a usb key, please ? |
| 21:10.02 | enouf | pen: if your ~/.xsession is being read, it'll spit out messages |
| 21:10.07 | mu-dev | tknudsen: build information? normally the build instructions and build requirements are in the source code of the thing you're trying to build |
| 21:10.09 | jelly-uk | tknudsen: if some has already packaged it, "/msg dpkg ssb"; if not, creating a package from scratch can be fun |
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| 21:10.17 | pen | enouf: then I should write echo instead isn't it? |
| 21:10.27 | enouf | !tell guiton about usb install |
| 21:10.27 | pen | enouf: or write to a file |
| 21:10.42 | ulifer | could I have someone's sources.list file ? I don't see pidgin! |
| 21:10.45 | enouf | pen: no, why? |
| 21:10.54 | enouf | pen: have you no display? |
| 21:10.58 | tknudsen | mu-dev, are autoconf arguments to dependent builds included in your theory? |
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| 21:11.39 | mu-dev | the purpose of autoconf is to produce a configure script from configure.in, which is a macro file |
| 21:11.46 | enouf | !tell ulifer about pidgin |
| 21:11.49 | pen | enouf: you guys have to tell me more, because I don't get what you trying to tell me |
| 21:11.57 | pen | enouf: you want me to test .xsession |
| 21:12.03 | mu-dev | dependent on what? |
| 21:12.06 | pen | enouf: and you first said something like set -x |
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| 21:12.16 | pen | enouf: now you are talking about display |
| 21:12.20 | pen | enouf: I am confused |
| 21:12.28 | enouf | pen: you are slowly starting to annoy me |
| 21:12.56 | enouf | pen: please read some docs - /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 21:13.15 | guiton | enouf : I do not already have linux installed :( |
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| 21:13.27 | illio | Hmm port 514 isn't open? so syslogd is apparently not working? |
| 21:13.30 | tknudsen | mu-dev, you know enough to know what I'm saying. I spent close to ten years with freebsd and am looking for a linux distribution that doesn't suck. they all have drawbacks that are tough to live with. |
| 21:13.39 | enouf | guiton: how about http://goodbye-windows.com ? :-) |
| 21:13.43 | smacnay | Is /etc/modprobe.conf obsolete in "testing" with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:14.13 | enouf | smacnay: you know? man modprobe mentions that file |
| 21:14.18 | tknudsen | mu-dev, I've evaluated lenny recently and am surprised how good it is. I think fedora 10 is going to have a rough relase this week, however. |
| 21:14.27 | smacnay | enouf: really? Darn, didn't think it would be there. |
| 21:14.29 | mu-dev | tknudsen: what build information are you interested in? debian packages are set up to build on the archs it supports |
| 21:14.36 | enouf | smacnay: i don't have one here, i have an older /etc/modules.conf though |
| 21:14.37 | smacnay | enouf: btw, I got stuff working |
| 21:14.50 | enouf | smacnay: have you tried modprobe -c | less ? |
| 21:14.56 | pen | enouf: if you can keep saying that, then no one should have any problems because everyone can be told to read docs then things done!!! |
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| 21:15.03 | mu-dev | outside of that, debian and other dists use gcc and friends to compile from C and other languages... |
| 21:15.04 | pen | enouf: so easy |
| 21:15.17 | pen | why do we need irc for? |
| 21:15.17 | guiton | enouf : you are right and i also want to try xen but on usb first |
| 21:15.22 | jelly-uk | illio: bear in mind that syslog works over udp, not tcp |
| 21:15.22 | jelly-uk | (by default) |
| 21:15.22 | jelly-uk | !test |
| 21:15.22 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 21:15.25 | pen | of course I can read |
| 21:15.40 | enouf | pen: all i know is a) you have gdm, and b) you have a supposed non-working xsession file ... and many things are presumed |
| 21:16.01 | smacnay | enouf: I needed to add "include /etc/modprobe.d" in /etc/modprobe.conf for all the blacklisted stuff to work. |
| 21:16.05 | pen | enouf: what I don't know is how to make xsession work under gdm |
| 21:16.11 | tknudsen | mu-dev, right right. If I wanted to build something like firefox from source and see all the make and autoconf arguments in advance, how would I pursue taht? |
| 21:16.13 | enouf | pen: you don't seem to indicate your .xsession file is in your $HOME .. and many other things are not clear |
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| 21:16.28 | pen | enouf: but it's a dotfile, isn't that obvious? |
| 21:16.41 | pen | enouf: you have dotfile in only your $HOME |
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| 21:16.50 | pen | enouf: because you want to hide those files |
| 21:16.52 | enouf | pen: dotfiles can live anywhere .. yes, even in /root/ |
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| 21:16.56 | mu-dev | tknudsen: one way is to browse the build system of iceweasel (debian had to rename firefox for legal reasons) |
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| 21:17.11 | enouf | i do? |
| 21:17.12 | pen | enouf: but most of the time, in general purpose it's living in $HOME |
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| 21:17.33 | pen | enouf: so .xsession is definitely in $HOME |
| 21:17.45 | enouf | so write ~/.xsession |
| 21:17.50 | mu-dev | pen, ok, good. ls -l ~/.xsession |
| 21:18.04 | pen | enouf: of course, I did write it in $HOME, I'm always in $HOME |
| 21:18.10 | mu-dev | show the resulting line |
| 21:18.13 | tknudsen | mu-dev, sure thing iceweasel and epiphany are better than this pig I'm using now. where would I look to browse the build system or get that info? |
| 21:18.28 | pen | I looked in man xsession and i see the PATH has $HOME/.xsession |
| 21:18.33 | enouf | pen: did i mention the annoyance thing already? |
| 21:18.34 | pen | mu-dev: yes, it's ther |
| 21:18.46 | klync | wonders what pig tknudsen is currently using |
| 21:18.46 | mu-dev | pen: show the output of that command. |
| 21:18.46 | enouf | oh .. yes.. i did .. |
| 21:18.51 | valdyn | pen: .xsession is used from gdm only when you select the "default x session" in gdm |
| 21:19.19 | mu-dev | valdyn: oh, good point |
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| 21:19.46 | pen | valdyn: default? I remember it's something script, is that default too? |
| 21:19.48 | enouf | valdyn: could you please tell us in which docs that fact is mentioned? thank you kindly |
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| 21:20.00 | valdyn | enouf: i have no idea |
| 21:20.01 | tknudsen | klync, I'm using a gecko relative, but don't like to name names. on fedora 10 the browser is slow on this triple core machine. gosh I wish I could just use freebsd in my work. |
| 21:20.09 | valdyn | pen: i dont understand |
| 21:20.14 | mu-dev | pen: show the line. |
| 21:20.31 | enouf | valdyn: would you presume it's in some related gdm documentation? (i would) |
| 21:20.37 | mu-dev | if not, I claim bullshit, you're not being cooperative |
| 21:20.39 | xota | hi! Can I install debian testing with a netinst and a broadcom wifi? Can I download drivers before installation to use it at installation? |
| 21:21.18 | mu-dev | xota: possibly... but you could fall back on an older wired ethernet card |
| 21:21.37 | enouf | xota: not really, afaik |
| 21:22.12 | pen | mu-dev: sure, something is wrong wit hthe mouse |
| 21:22.18 | pen | mu-dev: I will get you the line |
| 21:22.31 | mu-dev | pen: what permissions do you see? |
| 21:22.38 | pen | -rwxr-xr-x |
| 21:22.38 | valdyn | pen: yea its probably Xclient-Script now, i guess |
| 21:22.47 | mu-dev | ok, so it's executable |
| 21:22.48 | pen | valdyn: yea, Xclient-Script |
| 21:22.52 | enouf | xota: i mean .. the d-i does have some server and ftp functionality .. but do you really want to go through all that? (heck, still, i don't think it's possible without some-sort-of network) |
| 21:23.00 | xota | mu-dev, I can't use wired ethernet |
| 21:23.00 | pen | mu-dev: yes, I ran chmod +x on the file |
| 21:23.14 | pen | this- I follow from a guide online |
| 21:23.27 | enouf | which guide? |
| 21:23.38 | enouf | prefers sherpas |
| 21:24.02 | mu-dev | ok, so log out, get to the gdm login, then click on the sessions menu... you should see "default x session" or something like that |
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| 21:25.01 | pen | mu-dev: no need to change the file right? |
| 21:26.01 | SerajewelKS | is there an application that will frequently (once per second or more often) log all stats for processes like cpu usage (including what type)? |
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| 21:26.17 | SerajewelKS | my system is freezing for like 1-2 seconds every few minutes or so and i want to try to isolate the cause |
| 21:26.37 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: latencytop |
| 21:26.58 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: nifty |
| 21:27.13 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: probably not supported by your kernel i suppose |
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| 21:27.31 | enouf | tknudsen: fwiw, i saw you mention Firepoop derived browsers - give 'midori' a looksee (in sid only) |
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| 21:27.37 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: worth a try |
| 21:27.42 | simonrvn | enouf: sherpas are handy in a pinch :P |
| 21:27.54 | enouf | heh |
| 21:27.57 | mu-dev | pen: so what did you find out? |
| 21:28.00 | pen | mu-dev: solved, ok blame me if you want, I don't care anymore |
| 21:28.18 | pen | mu-dev: select that god dang xclient script thingy |
| 21:28.21 | pen | in gdm |
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| 21:28.39 | mu-dev | you can thank valdyn for that |
| 21:28.41 | smacnay | enouf: http://forum.soft32.com/linux2/kernel-modules-nightmare-ftopict56617.html - down the page a bit there is a line... "...but it doesn't mention |
| 21:28.41 | smacnay | that /etc/modprobe.d will be *ignored* if /etc/modprobe.conf exists." - that would have helped me immensely some months ago |
| 21:28.51 | enouf | SerajewelKS: iotop? (though i just saw valdyn's suggestion) |
| 21:29.11 | pen | valdyn: thx you too |
| 21:29.14 | valdyn | smacnay: its also wrong |
| 21:29.20 | pen | mu-dev: thx you too |
| 21:29.25 | pen | enouf: and you too |
| 21:29.26 | smacnay | valdyn: which part? |
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| 21:29.34 | pen | ok, i'm loggint out for another test |
| 21:29.34 | SerajewelKS | enouf: thanks, i'll try every suggestion i get |
| 21:29.40 | valdyn | 22:28 < smacnay> that /etc/modprobe.d will be *ignored* if /etc/modprobe.conf exists." |
| 21:30.01 | ron1n | /etc/modprobe.conf is obselete |
| 21:30.07 | SerajewelKS | valdyn, enouf: either of you know of any issues with 2.6.24 that might cause this too? |
| 21:30.31 | enouf | SerajewelKS: although, maybe even http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ might be useful to you - follow the link for 'meminfo' |
| 21:30.40 | smacnay | valdyn: my blacklisting was ignored entirely until I added an "include /etc/modprobe.d" line in /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 21:30.40 | smacnay | valdyn: or, until I renamed modprobe.conf to something else and boot process didn't find it. |
| 21:30.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: with iotop though it's not a graph |
| 21:31.03 | SerajewelKS | enouf: so unless i catch it at the exact moment, it won't help me |
| 21:31.11 | SerajewelKS | i'm more interesting in seeing spikes in the past and what caused them |
| 21:31.14 | enouf | ah.. |
| 21:31.27 | SerajewelKS | if my system isn't responding then top-style apps are not helpful :) |
| 21:31.31 | valdyn | smacnay: i tried, you are right actually and i was wrong |
| 21:32.00 | enouf | smacnay: i recall reading that also sometime ago .. i completely forgot about it |
| 21:32.04 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: latencytop does not just catch the last moment |
| 21:32.23 | smacnay | valdyn: I wasn't arguing right/wrong - just letting you know what did and didn't work for me. :) thanks for the response, though. |
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| 21:32.45 | smacnay | enouf: that was the root to all my blacklisting problems. |
| 21:33.01 | enouf | smacnay: not that exact URL per se .. but an issue with /etc/modprobe.d/ being overridden if that other file existed |
| 21:33.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: right, i'll need to recompile my kernel for that anyway |
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| 21:33.33 | smacnay | enouf: valdyn: I did get a kernel message on boot about there being no reference to /etc/modprobe.d in /etc/modprobe.conf but didn''t realize how crucial it was. |
| 21:33.42 | DeFender1031 | hi, is there a way to tell debian that even though i'm in testing, i want a certain package to be the experimental version? |
| 21:33.48 | enouf | had to do with blacklisting the "ipv6" module back then |
| 21:33.52 | smacnay | enouf: overridden or ignored. |
| 21:33.56 | DeFender1031 | like a special command for apt-get or something? |
| 21:33.59 | valdyn | DeFender1031: apt-get -t experimental install package |
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| 21:34.06 | mu-dev | DeFender1031: build it from source |
| 21:34.09 | enouf | smacnay: same difference |
| 21:34.12 | DeFender1031 | valdyn, that's it? thanks |
| 21:34.15 | mu-dev | it may not work otherwise |
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| 21:34.21 | smacnay | enouf: now - I need to go through and see which extraneous modules I don't want loaded. |
| 21:34.26 | DeFender1031 | mu-dev, why not? |
| 21:34.34 | enouf | smacnay: as i say - where did you get that file frfom? |
| 21:34.42 | mu-dev | meant for different libs for one |
| 21:34.43 | smacnay | enouf: thanks for the help yesterday... |
| 21:34.51 | valdyn | DeFender1031: because no one cares about abi compatibility in linux |
| 21:34.55 | smacnay | enouf: not sure - this is a relatively new deb install |
| 21:35.19 | enouf | smacnay: welcome - install dlocate .. and use that .. or here run; "dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.conf" |
| 21:35.19 | smacnay | enouf: I might have created it myself but, for the life of me, can't remember doing so. |
| 21:35.42 | smacnay | enouf: looking into those |
| 21:35.46 | enouf | !find etc/modprobe.conf |
| 21:35.47 | DeFender1031 | valdyn, that didn't work, it just told me i already have the newest version |
| 21:35.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/modprobe.conf' returned no results. |
| 21:36.03 | enouf | smacnay: tsk tsk |
| 21:36.15 | SerajewelKS | is there a debian way to build 2.6.27 yet? |
| 21:36.27 | valdyn | DeFender1031: -t experimental can only get the experimental package if the appropriate line is in /etc/apt/sources.list and if the package actually is in experimental |
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| 21:36.43 | valdyn | DeFender1031: look at the output of "apt-cache policy package" |
| 21:36.55 | DeFender1031 | ah |
| 21:36.55 | smacnay | enouf: dpkg: /etc/modprobe.conf not found |
| 21:37.00 | enouf | SerajewelKS: see wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel (if there's a way, it's there, or through there) |
| 21:37.32 | smacnay | enouf: I booted with that file renamed and the modprobe.d dir was read and regarded. |
| 21:37.46 | smacnay | I might just remove /etc/modprobe.conf for now. |
| 21:37.47 | DeFender1031 | valdyn, what good does that do me? |
| 21:37.55 | enouf | smacnay: right .. well. some files are created/generated through .postinst scripts too |
| 21:38.02 | smacnay | enouf: yes |
| 21:38.13 | valdyn | DeFender1031: tells you about available versions |
| 21:38.15 | smacnay | enouf: it is doing no harm as is right now |
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| 21:38.47 | enouf | smacnay: i'm trying to ascertain whether or not you started with a pure "debian" installation only .. or .. some other variant thereof |
| 21:38.56 | smacnay | enouf: I had another problem crop up (no statd on boot and no nfs shares seen). I needed to add a "nolock" option in fstab to fix it. |
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| 21:39.08 | DeFender1031 | so what line do i need in my sources.list? |
| 21:39.15 | smacnay | enouf: I installed from a deb CD. |
| 21:39.27 | valdyn | DeFender1031: if you have to ask things like thisl, dont use experimental |
| 21:39.42 | enouf | smacnay: "deb cd?" could be anything |
| 21:39.43 | smacnay | It did install a 2.4 kernel if I recall. So it was not a "new" CD. |
| 21:39.51 | enouf | ... |
| 21:39.58 | smacnay | enouf: off the debian web site... |
| 21:40.12 | smacnay | I d/l and burned it some time ago |
| 21:40.18 | enouf | has to go ... too many semantics |
| 21:40.58 | jelly-uk | smacnay: that cound be sarge or something even older |
| 21:41.01 | smacnay | enouf: actually - I did a net install |
| 21:41.02 | smacnay | enouf: cheers |
| 21:41.11 | DeFender1031 | valdyn, i don't WANT to use experimental, i want a single package and its dependancies FROM experimental |
| 21:41.18 | smacnay | jelly-uk: it did install lvm by default... |
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| 21:41.46 | jelly-uk | smacnay: huh, is that bad? |
| 21:41.50 | smacnay | DeFender1031: aptitude -t sid -s install package |
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| 21:42.20 | smacnay | DeFender1031: just run with -s to see what will happen first. |
| 21:42.36 | jelly-uk | DeFender1031: that's how experimental is used anyway... you don't get automatic upgrades from it even when you enable the repo |
| 21:42.51 | smacnay | jelly-uk: no, but I don't think lvm was an option in sarge or woody... certainly in lenny |
| 21:42.55 | DeFender1031 | jelly-uk, oh, okayt |
| 21:43.53 | DeFender1031 | smacnay, that just told me it was gonna remove a ton of things and add nothing |
| 21:44.43 | enouf | smacnay: i'm on a lenny/sid mix here - i started with a sarge install on this one ... no /etc/modprobe.conf .. however., i chose 2.6.8 when installing, not the 2.4.27 variant |
| 21:45.15 | adb | DeFender1031: what do you "want" from experimental ? |
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| 21:45.23 | smacnay | enouf: I think I got a 2.4.xx when I installed and moved to a 2.6.2x a little while later. |
| 21:45.38 | smacnay | DeFender1031: Then don't make the move. |
| 21:45.50 | smacnay | DeFender1031: what are you trying to install from sid? |
| 21:46.15 | DeFender1031 | adb, pidgin. perhaps a few other things as i discover programs where the older versions had bugs the newer ones fixed |
| 21:46.53 | adb | hehe |
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| 21:47.59 | enouf | smacnay: you'd think your issues would've surfaced long ago - however, if you never needed/wanted to blacklist modules. maybe a sleeping dog ; |
| 21:48.11 | smacnay | enouf: exactly. |
| 21:48.22 | smacnay | enouf: no blacklisting needed until recently |
| 21:48.38 | adb | smacnay, sid !== experimental |
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| 21:49.01 | smacnay | adb: yes, I know - I run testing with a little bit of sid where needed. |
| 21:49.44 | enouf | smacnay: cheers for clarifying |
| 21:49.55 | smacnay | enouf: thanks for helping |
| 21:50.26 | enouf | i try ;-) |
| 21:50.28 | DeFender1031 | this sucks, i'm just trying to find a fix for one little bug. to even talk to me the pidgin people insist i be using the latest version, and to do that, i need to figure out how to install it... |
| 21:51.51 | smacnay | DeFender1031: what bug...? |
| 21:51.54 | mu-dev | DeFender1031: is the experimental version the latest? |
| 21:52.11 | mu-dev | dont' the pidgin people have a bug tracker? |
| 21:52.17 | enouf | smacnay: you do realize the reasoning for my doubts about pure 'debian' only stem from the flood of other mutant-debian-offspring-users coming here, seeking .. er .. something |
| 21:52.53 | smacnay | enouf: I do. I do run ubuntu on a server just for a lark but have used nothing but Debian on my machine for about 9 years. |
| 21:53.35 | enouf | smacnay: and ... after some discussion ,.. i can tell you are being truthful |
| 21:53.55 | smacnay | enouf: thanks - I wouldn't come here to lie. |
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| 21:54.24 | enouf | how dare you exude morals on irc! |
| 21:54.27 | enouf | O_o |
| 21:54.30 | smacnay | enouf: I know I have the CD laying around here somewhere but can't honestly tell you at which Debian" version I started on this machine. |
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| 21:54.56 | smacnay | is conceited |
| 21:55.16 | MadWax | what morals/ |
| 21:55.19 | enouf | smacnay: doesn't matter - i bet the file came from a 2.4.x kerne; |
| 21:55.21 | DeFender1031 | mu-dev, the pidgin people tell me it is |
| 21:55.30 | DeFender1031 | smacnay, some dumb thing with background colors |
| 21:55.39 | smacnay | enouf: if I was to do a fresh install, it would be with a new install cd |
| 21:55.55 | smacnay | DeFender1031: in pidgin? Or just on the desktop? |
| 21:56.04 | enouf | smacnay: consider it a latent regression |
| 21:56.12 | smacnay | enouf: hehe |
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| 21:57.12 | mu-dev | DeFender1031: ok, you could compare the version they would permit discussion of with the version in experimental |
| 21:57.22 | mu-dev | does it match? |
| 21:57.24 | smacnay | enouf: well, it feels good to know what unsolvable glitch has been put to rest. |
| 21:57.32 | enouf | indeed |
| 21:57.35 | smacnay | enouf: and why. - one file |
| 21:58.24 | smacnay | enouf: there should have been (maybe there was) an info screen informing users to remove or edit the /etc/modprobe.conf file when the newer 2.6 kernel was installed. |
| 21:58.40 | smacnay | enouf: or a little script to add the "include" line to modprobe.conf. |
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| 21:59.28 | enouf | smacnay: the thing is .. i once knew of the possible issue ... but i forgot completely ... as a possible cause |
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| 22:00.14 | enouf | smacnay: that time is long gone now ... ;-) |
| 22:00.15 | yhul | Hello debian, I have troubles |
| 22:00.27 | yhul | my video graphics suck! |
| 22:00.33 | yhul | using vesa |
| 22:00.47 | enouf | smacnay: (if it indeed eminated from a 2.4.x kernel) |
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| 22:01.25 | enouf | yhul: why use vesa? vesafb doesn't suck for console you weenie |
| 22:01.25 | yhul | i have the Intel GM965 card, does anyone know how to install the drivers? |
| 22:01.58 | enouf | neither does directfb |
| 22:02.25 | simonrvn | um, tried modprobe yet? ... |
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| 22:03.03 | yhul | do I have to install mesa? |
| 22:03.10 | enouf | yhul: which debian release? and which kernel version? |
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| 22:03.22 | yhul | enouf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 , debian 4.0 |
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| 22:03.50 | enouf | libgl1-mesa-dri might help |
| 22:03.59 | jelly-uk | yhul: just install libgl1-mesa-dri, things should work |
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| 22:04.16 | enouf | or .. you might need the etch 915resolution pkg |
| 22:04.24 | enouf | only for Etch |
| 22:04.25 | yhul | jelly-uk: it's already installed it seems |
| 22:04.28 | jelly-uk | yhul: oh 965. might want xserver-xorg-video-intel to go with that |
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| 22:04.46 | yhul | ah |
| 22:04.50 | yhul | brb |
| 22:04.57 | yhul | rebooting x server |
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| 22:05.00 | jelly-uk | yhul: it's possible that card is too fresh for etch versions of xorg |
| 22:05.03 | yhul | is there a way to test without rebooting? |
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| 22:05.13 | jair | jelly-uk: I am trying to get a Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) to work with debian etch... r5 |
| 22:05.16 | enouf | jelly-uk: as opposed to xserver-xorg-video-i810? |
| 22:05.16 | jelly-uk | yhul: just restart x |
| 22:05.20 | m_dige | Hi everyone. Just bought a new computer with a 64 bit Intel processor. I currently run 32 bit Debian. What is the easiest way of "upgrading" ? |
| 22:05.24 | jelly-uk | enouf: yes |
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| 22:05.31 | yhul | ok brb |
| 22:05.33 | simonrvn | rebooting? for what? |
| 22:05.34 | jelly-uk | enouf: -intel is part of etchnhalf |
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| 22:05.42 | jair | jelly-uk: I know it is a simple device but so hard to get it work in debian most of the time :( |
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| 22:06.08 | enouf | jelly-uk: i know in lenny the -intel and -i810 have been merged IINM |
| 22:06.27 | ptr__ | quick question. I'm trying to build firmware-nonfree, but instead of a debian/control file, there's a python script debian/bin/gencontrol.py, which depends on a number of things that I'm not sure where to find |
| 22:06.27 | jelly-uk | jair: snd-hda-intel driver support improved drastically since 2.6.18... which kernel are you using? |
| 22:06.39 | ptr__ | including a python module called 'debian_linux'. Any idea where this is? |
| 22:06.40 | jelly-uk | enouf: no, in lenny there's no more i810 |
| 22:07.02 | enouf | jelly-uk: right - hence the "merge" |
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| 22:07.14 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 22:07.16 | enouf | and 915resolution is also gone |
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| 22:07.38 | jelly-uk | jair: for etch, I guess you can try the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel it you're not running it already |
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| 22:08.11 | jelly-uk | enouf: yes, but it wasn't a merge |
| 22:08.41 | fr00g | hi, i have installed lenny 5 with encrypted lvm.i have used guided partitioning and have changed some partitions from ext3 to reiserfs(i have separated partitions for /, /usr, /tmp, /home, /var, /boot). now i try to give a passphrase (i am sure it the right one) but i am getting an error: volume group "frog" not found. afetr typeing the passphrase i get: no key available with that passphrase |
| 22:08.52 | fr00g | could smeone help me, please |
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| 22:09.26 | JyZyXEL | where can i see the reason why "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdc /media/cdrom" hangs? |
| 22:09.27 | jelly-uk | enouf: the randr1.2 branch just completely replaced the old code at one point, and there was no i810 since then |
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| 22:09.41 | enouf | jelly-uk: when you say "<jelly-uk> enouf: -intel is part of etchnhalf" it implies that -intel was not available prior |
| 22:09.51 | jelly-uk | enouf: that's correct |
| 22:10.10 | JyZyXEL | where can i see the reason why "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdc /media/cdrom" hangs? |
| 22:10.13 | enouf | but it was ... :-/ ... or i'm way off |
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| 22:10.32 | yhul | hmm, how do I check to see if my driver was installed and is working? |
| 22:10.37 | ekontsevoy | My machine is configured to use DHCP, and nslookup returns a proper IP address for about a minute, then it starts reporting 'unknown name'. Seems like DHCP server for some reason quickly "forgets" the machine's name. Where do I begin to debug it? I do have send host-name in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 22:10.39 | jelly-uk | enouf: could be, but I think it was a newly added package for etch |
| 22:10.43 | sanjuro | how can i remap my Windows key to open gnome-terminal? |
| 22:10.50 | yhul | jelly-uk: when i drag my windows back and forth it gets blurry still |
| 22:10.52 | klync | JyZyXEL: check `dmesg |tail` for errors |
| 22:10.54 | enouf | jelly-uk: doesn't Etch have both available? |
| 22:10.57 | yhul | jelly-uk: idk if it worked or not, any way to test? |
| 22:10.59 | JyZyXEL | klync nothing |
| 22:10.59 | pen | sanjuro: XModMap? |
| 22:11.05 | jelly-uk | enouf: it has now! |
| 22:11.11 | enouf | jelly-uk: ok .. whatever .. haha |
| 22:11.30 | Tramp | fr00g: yesterday you mentioned, that you may have a problem with the keymap (i.e. different keymap during install or some such) |
| 22:11.48 | klync | JyZyXEL: is /media/cdrom already in fstab? if so, it's best to use a different mount point, or put your options in there |
| 22:11.56 | enouf | too many changes .. thanks for the xrandr explanation jelly-uk |
| 22:11.56 | jelly-uk | yhul: um... any output from "xdriinfo" command? I'm not sure it exists in etch |
| 22:12.07 | yhul | jelly-uk: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:12.07 | yhul | Screen 0: not direct rendering capable. |
| 22:12.11 | JyZyXEL | klync what do i do after i've added shit there? |
| 22:12.16 | klync | JyZyXEL: another thought - i always use "-t auto" just in case |
| 22:12.22 | jelly-uk | yhul: it's not there. I feared that. |
| 22:12.28 | JyZyXEL | i had some shit in there |
| 22:12.30 | enouf | xvinfo? |
| 22:12.33 | JyZyXEL | maybe thats fucking it up |
| 22:12.35 | JyZyXEL | i commented it out |
| 22:12.40 | yhul | enouf: X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| 22:12.40 | yhul | screen #0 no adaptors present |
| 22:12.44 | JyZyXEL | how do i apply the changes? |
| 22:12.49 | enouf | ugh |
| 22:12.52 | jelly-uk | yhul: 2D support is there, but you'll need newer xorg _and_ mesa/dri to get 3d |
| 22:13.05 | yhul | jelly-uk: anything I can get from apt-get ? |
| 22:13.15 | jelly-uk | yhul: not for etch. lenny, yes |
| 22:13.16 | enouf | yhul: most of us have 2 (#0 and #1) |
| 22:13.34 | yhul | are you guys on lenny? |
| 22:13.34 | klync | JyZyXEL: depends on the current state of the system - e.g. "mount /media/cdrom" or "mount -o remount /media/cdrom" or "umount /media/cdrom && mount ..." |
| 22:13.48 | JyZyXEL | ill restart cause its all fucked up again |
| 22:13.49 | jelly-uk | yhul: some of people here definitely are |
| 22:13.54 | yhul | i should download lenny |
| 22:13.57 | enouf | yhul: upgrade to lenny to , |
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| 22:14.07 | jelly-uk | !tell yhul -about etch->lenny |
| 22:14.28 | klync | JyZyXEL: afaik, this is a family-friendly channel ;) |
| 22:14.49 | yhul | ok i'm installing lenny |
| 22:14.56 | jelly-uk | yhul: if you only want it for 3D, perhaps you shouldn't bother |
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| 22:15.22 | jelly-uk | yhul: unless you really want your shiny compiz thingies |
| 22:15.25 | yhul | jelly-uk: No I want it anyway |
| 22:15.38 | yhul | jelly-uk: No I do not want that, but i'd like to have the feature |
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| 22:15.45 | clamiax | hi |
| 22:15.47 | yhul | jelly-uk: so I can show off to my mom |
| 22:16.07 | clamiax | i wondering why on Debian Lenny iceweasel can't install the Flash Plugins "automagically". |
| 22:16.16 | clamiax | Does anyone can inform me? |
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| 22:16.22 | yhul | why was it renamed iceweasel anyways? |
| 22:16.25 | jelly-uk | yhul: your window manager performance won't improve dramatically upon enabling 3D. |
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| 22:16.41 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 22:16.42 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 22:16.46 | yhul | jelly-uk: my computer can handle it, but yeah i agree most of the time i will have it off |
| 22:17.17 | yhul | I was trying to install the install_flash_player_10_linux.deb with gdebi |
| 22:17.25 | yhul | and it couldn't |
| 22:17.27 | clamiax | abrotman: what this have to do with the Flash plugins? |
| 22:18.19 | jelly-uk | uses opengl output on the i915 for video ... it has bilinear smoothing "for free" |
| 22:18.45 | jelly-uk | what install_flash_player_10_linux.deb? |
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| 22:19.47 | yhul | jelly-uk: when i went on youtube.com it asked to install flash player from adobe |
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| 22:19.56 | a-9 | Hello. |
| 22:19.58 | jelly-uk | yhul: but yeah, that's one of the things etch is too old for |
| 22:20.06 | yhul | ah |
| 22:20.09 | yhul | can't wait for lenny |
| 22:20.18 | jelly-uk | flash 9 works though |
| 22:20.29 | a-9 | How can I use the fonts listed with fc-list with x terminals ? |
| 22:20.50 | clamiax | jelly-uk: i'm on lenny, do you use the tarball from the Adobe web site? |
| 22:20.52 | yhul | Unknown command "full-upgrade" |
| 22:21.03 | overleaf | hey folks, a short while ago there was a bug regarding NFS permissions.... I can't remember how I resolved it. Anyone have any ideas? The symptom is permission denied errors despite proper permissions. |
| 22:21.16 | abrotman | clamiax: it had to do with a qusetion that wasn't yours .. not everything is about you :) |
| 22:21.20 | yhul | jelly-uk: This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
| 22:21.27 | jelly-uk | clamiax: an older tarball, and no, not directly. Installed using the flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 22:21.29 | clamiax | abrotman: ah, sorry ;) |
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| 22:22.00 | clamiax | jelly-uk: mmh.. it's not into the official repositories as far as i can see :-( |
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| 22:22.20 | yhul | jelly-uk: aptitude full-upgrade doesn't work like dpkg bot has said |
| 22:22.21 | jelly-uk | clamiax: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 22:22.43 | clamiax | jelly-uk: i already have the non-free repositories enabled |
| 22:23.03 | jelly-uk | yhul: how does it not work exactly? some breakage is to be expected |
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| 22:23.16 | jelly-uk | !errors |
| 22:23.16 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
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| 22:23.26 | yhul | # aptitude full-upgrade |
| 22:23.26 | yhul | Unknown command "full-upgrade" |
| 22:23.26 | yhul | aptitude 0.4.4 |
| 22:23.32 | jelly-uk | yhul: heh. |
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| 22:23.44 | jelly-uk | yhul: install new dpkg and aptitude first |
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| 22:23.55 | yhul | oh heh |
| 22:24.36 | fr00g | Tramp: iirc i said i think it is not keymap problem. anyhow i have installed this once again |
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| 22:25.06 | hachi | I upgraded... many things, kernel, xorg, whatnot |
| 22:25.09 | JyZyXEL | the fucking startup hangs if there is a CD inside the CDdrive |
| 22:25.12 | yhul | jelly-uk: all I have are these sources in my sources.list |
| 22:25.13 | yhul | jelly-uk: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 22:25.14 | yhul | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:25.14 | hachi | my super keys on my keyboard have now become MEta |
| 22:25.20 | JyZyXEL | god damnit where is the fucking debug |
| 22:25.23 | fr00g | Tramp: i have only said, that i use german keymap, but there are no other characters |
| 22:25.28 | hachi | does anyone know what steps I should go through to figure out what caused this, to fix it the right way? |
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| 22:25.40 | yhul | jelly-uk: is that enough to do aptitude install dpkg aptitude |
| 22:25.56 | jelly-uk | yhul: read the fucking factoid carefully |
| 22:26.38 | MadWax | enouf...are you edrx...(question!) |
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| 22:26.59 | ma3x | what was the name of the program that allows you to 'watch' other logged users? |
| 22:27.06 | ma3x | ie to see what they type |
| 22:27.50 | abrotman | ttysnoop |
| 22:27.53 | jelly-uk | yhul: (because, it serves little purpose to restate it again if you'll not read it again! esp. the bit about "change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny") |
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| 22:28.05 | Tramp | fr00g: if luks does not accept your password, there is nothing you can do. My guess was, that maybe you typed the password with a different keymap (e.g. swapping y and z). |
| 22:28.28 | yhul | jelly-uk: i changed everything from etch to lenny , did not do that for stable , just realized it |
| 22:28.37 | yhul | jelly-uk: i apologize |
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| 22:29.29 | muramasa | Hi! I'm currently trying to mount my Maxtor OneTouch USB HDD, but I only end up with this error message: "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume "USB HDD"". Any suggestions in to what could be wrong? |
| 22:29.52 | jelly-uk | yhul: np, just follow the steps carefully |
| 22:30.05 | jelly-uk | muramasa: what is the exact command you use to mount it? |
| 22:30.12 | JyZyXEL | my kernel doesn't have iso9660 filesystem support |
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| 22:30.34 | clamiax | cool |
| 22:30.39 | enouf | yhul: erm .. i've been afk for a few, but youtube.com requires/needs nothing to do with adobe flashcrapoopshit |
| 22:30.45 | clamiax | Flash Player 10 is now working here |
| 22:30.49 | muramasa | jelly-uk: I just tried to right-click it in the file browser and mount it, so I don't actually know.. :( |
| 22:30.53 | mu-dev | yhul: the consequence of using the word "stable" in your sources.list, is you might have occasion to do a dist-upgrade and you might find yourself upgrading to lenny from etch (or lenny+1 from lenny) when you didn't intend to do that |
| 22:31.04 | enouf | yhul: i use /msg dpkg youtube script (for myself) |
| 22:31.04 | hachi | anybody know where I do tweaking in X to select whether this extra key on my keyboard (the window or apple key) is Meta/Super/Hyper ? |
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| 22:31.18 | hachi | do I use xmodmap to force this, or am I supposed to use something else? |
| 22:31.22 | jelly-uk | muramasa: oh, that's a bit of a problem; I have no experience with that way of mounting either ;-) |
| 22:31.23 | JyZyXEL | why the fuck isn't it loaded on startup? |
| 22:31.31 | fr00g | Tramp: as i told it happened yesterday, there were no cases, that are differen on german and english keyboard. anyhow i thought i try one again. now i have choosen a differen passphrase. and the story is same |
| 22:31.43 | enouf | JyZyXEL: add it to /etc/modules |
| 22:31.47 | JyZyXEL | i did |
| 22:31.54 | mu-dev | the words stable, oldstable, testing are relative terms... whereas sarge, etch, lenny are absolute |
| 22:31.55 | JyZyXEL | but shouldn't it be loaded even if its not there |
| 22:32.02 | yhul | ah |
| 22:32.13 | enouf | JyZyXEL: and an entry in /etc/fstab for your iso9660 device if you like |
| 22:32.21 | jelly-uk | muramasa: it's entirely possible that some gnome-volume-manager or hal bit fails when there's a space in the volume name, however I don't know which bita are there and what they do |
| 22:32.24 | mu-dev | so for example... |
| 22:32.26 | clamiax | bbl |
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| 22:32.46 | mu-dev | if you wanted to stay with etch even after lenny becomes stable, you'd use etch instead of stable |
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| 22:33.04 | yhul | mu-dev: yeah gotcha |
| 22:33.15 | muramasa | jelly-uk: so i could try to rename it and mount it again?:-) i had no problem mounting a memory stick, so i assume hal/gnome-volume-manager should be working |
| 22:33.16 | JyZyXEL | i just modprobed iso9660 and still hangs |
| 22:33.17 | JyZyXEL | the mount |
| 22:33.24 | JyZyXEL | where is the fucking error output??? |
| 22:33.31 | Tramp | fr00g: and I suppose that "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/whatever somename" from the cmdline does not help either? |
| 22:33.35 | jelly-uk | muramasa: getting rid of that space might help matters, yeah |
| 22:33.41 | jelly-uk | muramasa: _ are nice! |
| 22:33.54 | jelly-uk | this time of year |
| 22:34.16 | mu-dev | fucking errors are usually related to the physics of pistons and are sometimes due to the piston being in the wrong cylendar |
| 22:34.25 | yhul | lol |
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| 22:34.43 | enouf | 3 inputs? |
| 22:34.54 | jelly-uk | mu-dev: try lubricating. |
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| 22:37.04 | mu-dev | the original cylendar may fail to allow the piston if the infrastructure surrounding that cylendar has detected the piston succeeded in connecting with an unknown cylendar |
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| 22:39.19 | muramasa | jelly-uk: afraid that didn't make any difference :-( guess i should try and figure out how to mount it from the terminal |
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| 22:39.49 | mu-dev | the piston could try claiming to the original cylendar it was just a fucking mistake... |
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| 22:42.25 | kharloss | hi . someone can help me with this . i follow an tutorial but i found some lines not so well explained ... my problem begin with line #31 those numbers 12.34.56.78 ... i don`t understand so good http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=22181&seen=true&numbered=on&langoverride=- |
| 22:42.28 | kharloss | any help ? |
| 22:43.06 | mu-dev | 12.34.56.78 would be an example of an IP address |
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| 22:44.17 | mu-dev | if it's important to understand IP addresses and you don't, perhaps reading Rusty's Unreliable Guides on what an IP network is would be helpful |
| 22:44.49 | kharloss | mu-dev : can we chat 5 min in private pls ? |
| 22:45.00 | mu-dev | I'm headed to costco |
| 22:45.21 | kharloss | ok ... :( |
| 22:45.32 | abrotman | kharloss: you'd probably do better in #bind or #dns |
| 22:45.34 | mu-dev | let me see... |
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| 22:46.58 | petemc | kharloss: it specifies the ip address of a secondary nameserver, with which you share responsibility to answer queries for the domain, and with that you trust each to share updated information on those domains |
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| 22:47.28 | jelly-uk | muramasa: there's pmount or usbmount to help with mounting hotpluggable devices as a normal user from the command line |
| 22:47.46 | mu-dev | kharloss http://people.netfilter.org/rusty/unreliable-guides/ |
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| 22:48.35 | mu-dev | that is, if you don't understand IP addresses and you want to |
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| 22:49.37 | jelly-uk | I suppose anyone trying to set up DNS services should better know something about those dotty digity things |
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| 22:50.11 | jelly-uk | oops, "domain name service services" awkward |
| 22:51.39 | muramasa | jelly-uk: turned out that this usb hdd was formatted with ntfs, so i downloaded ntfs-3g and now it works :-) thanks for your help! |
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| 22:56.40 | JyZyXEL | im gonna buy a new CDROM drive |
| 22:56.53 | JyZyXEL | and if i find out that this CDROM is not broken |
| 22:56.56 | JyZyXEL | im gonna murder people |
| 22:57.06 | JyZyXEL | and its all your fault |
| 22:57.17 | mu-dev | perhaps you should test it first :P |
| 22:57.26 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, checked cables? |
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| 22:57.55 | ringo999 | hi. im looking for a good audio player with music managment. I want it to be lightweight and not have to install i.e. kde/gnome relevant stuff (i.e. in the case of rhythmbox). wouldnt mind if the player also had a commandline interface. any suggestions? |
| 22:57.58 | puff | My debian box just spontaneously rebooted. Where would you go to look for clues as to the cause? Well, obivously /var/log, but more specifically? |
| 22:58.13 | petemc | syslog, messages |
| 22:58.22 | bhundven | kern.log |
| 22:58.24 | bhundven | as well |
| 22:58.26 | mu-dev | mutters something about the jealosy of original cylendars resulting from fucking errors... |
| 22:58.33 | petemc | itym cyclinders |
| 22:58.37 | petemc | gah |
| 22:58.39 | ringo999 | of course the player should support major formats (ogg, flac, mp3 etc)... |
| 22:58.40 | petemc | s/ys/y/ |
| 22:58.41 | jelly-uk | mu-dev: it's getting old! |
| 22:58.49 | petemc | gives up |
| 22:59.10 | puff | Hm, nothing in /var/log/messages but "-- MARK --" forever, and then the restart. |
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| 22:59.43 | mu-dev | jelly-uk: yeah, that's true... but no older than the responsibility he's not taking... |
| 22:59.47 | jelly-uk | puff: if it's server hardware, there might be something in its own integrated logs |
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| 23:00.49 | fr00g | Tramp: no |
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| 23:00.58 | enouf | ringo999: mplayer |
| 23:01.29 | overleaf | ls |
| 23:01.34 | overleaf | hrh |
| 23:01.44 | Tramp | fr00g: well, sorry. No idea then. Something went wrong but I have no idea what. |
| 23:01.48 | enouf | puff: make sure the cat hasn't chewed through the cables |
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| 23:09.00 | Deepa | Anyone got a NNTPd to recommend? It's supposed to host MY groups and NOT be connected to USENET or anything similiar. |
| 23:10.16 | bizboo | help |
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| 23:11.14 | adb | ask first |
| 23:11.51 | ringo999 | enouf: how about mpd? |
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| 23:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws bizboo a life buoy. |
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| 23:13.53 | hachi | dibbler? |
| 23:13.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should do it.... chappie was drowning |
| 23:14.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hachi, yes - of course I'll bill him for the life buoy. |
| 23:14.25 | Bangers | ssh user@host command, is giving me command not found error - how do I set my PATH correctly for user@host who is running bash |
| 23:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooops, it was made of concrete :( |
| 23:14.38 | Bangers | so commands over ssh work |
| 23:15.14 | _stack | I builded my kernel image with make-kpkg ...but installing it give me this error...why?? http://rafb.net/p/h6KkRk10.html |
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| 23:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bangers, PATH=something:something_else (echo $PATH to see the current one) - but why isn't ssh in your path? |
| 23:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | _stack, err... LANG=C please |
| 23:16.52 | Bangers | no, silly ... on the CLIENT ssh is fine. My PATH problem is on the server |
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| 23:17.20 | _stack | CutMeOwnThroat: ok sorry |
| 23:17.38 | Bangers | I'm trying to run 'ant' but need to set /foo/bar/ant somwehere. I've tried setting it in ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc and /etc/profile on the destination server (as ' user') but none worked |
| 23:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, and actually I guess it doesn't say much |
| 23:18.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | _stack, perhaps just run update-grub to see what that says |
| 23:18.55 | _stack | CutMeOwnThroat: I launched update-grub , and it sayed nothing |
| 23:18.59 | _stack | let me show you... |
| 23:19.29 | _stack | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 23:19.29 | _stack | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.36 | _stack | this is what update-grub says |
| 23:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 23:19.58 | _stack | and this http://rafb.net/p/fPFmub43.html |
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| 23:20.05 | _stack | yes menu.lst is there CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and /boot/grub/default |
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| 23:20.31 | _stack | yes |
| 23:20.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, my update-grub says it finds /boot/grub/default, next line it finds /boot/grub/menu.lst then it reports the images |
| 23:21.13 | _stack | uh...it's strange I think :) but don't know ... |
| 23:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that's what I thought it says - it says that update-grub failed |
| 23:21.47 | puff | Hm, again, in syslog, nothing obvious, except a 24 minute gap - normal postfix and amavis log messages at 17:03:56 and then next line is 17:27:04 "syslogd 1.4.1#17: restart." |
| 23:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | update-grub should look ca. like this: http://rafb.net/p/J7Oj8D74.html |
| 23:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (well, probably with less different kernels, but you get the idea) |
| 23:22.20 | puff | hm, is there a log parsing tool that you can say "show me all lines from log files near this time"? |
| 23:22.34 | petemc | puff: grep |
| 23:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff, I don't think there is a uniform timestamp in all logs |
| 23:22.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | tail :) |
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| 23:23.23 | _stack | mhhh CutMeOwnThroat so ?? I don't know how to adjust this situation.. |
| 23:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | _stack, check your /boot/grub/menu.lst.... |
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| 23:27.18 | _stack | CutMeOwnThroat: I think that is ok...the man of update-grub tell me that menu.lst is created is none is found...I tryed to move the current one someplace else...but It new one isn't created |
| 23:27.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | _stack, you might also run something like "strace -f -F -e open update-grub 2>&1 |grep boot" if update-grub really shows no clue at all |
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| 23:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | _stack, they're created for /boot/vmlinuz* it says - perhaps something wrong with your kernel images? |
| 23:28.49 | _stack | CutMeOwnThroat: ok found the error |
| 23:28.54 | _stack | probably... |
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| 23:29.00 | _stack | let me confirm or not..one moment |
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| 23:29.40 | ringo999 | hmm.. i wonder if this is a problem with lenny, tried to run sonata a client for mpd and got this error: http://pastebin.com/d40f2399e |
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| 23:30.01 | _stack | yes...update-grub opens and check also /boot/grub/device.map ...I moved the current disk to hda from hdc (the eide connector was wronged installed) |
| 23:30.16 | _stack | in the file there was hdc ...now it works thanks |
| 23:30.25 | MadWax | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.36 | MadWax | not working |
| 23:30.44 | MadWax | sorry |
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| 23:34.04 | Daemonik | I have a plain-text log file that is 2.5gb in size. How can I separate it into 100mb chunks? |
| 23:34.25 | _stack | another issue...booting the kernel says kernel panic - not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0) ........even if ext2 and device mapper support are built-in (I'm using lvm for root and home) |
| 23:34.28 | petemc | split |
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| 23:36.50 | mu-dev | _stack: you'd need to vgchange -a y before trying to mount |
| 23:37.22 | mu-dev | _stack: did you use make-kpkg --initrd ... to build your kernel? |
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| 23:37.39 | _stack | mu-dev: no --initrd ..does it is needed? |
| 23:37.49 | mu-dev | yes it is helpful |
| 23:38.09 | mu-dev | if you then modulize everything it figures out what's needed |
| 23:39.01 | fr00g | Tramp: ok , thanx |
| 23:39.10 | mu-dev | it probably has a heuristic... if lvm /, put vgchange -a y in the initrd |
| 23:39.19 | _stack | I thought that /boot fs support and device mapper builted in the kernel were the only thinks needed for booting...am I wrong? |
| 23:39.50 | Piper69 | whats thunderbird channel |
| 23:39.54 | mu-dev | if you're not going to do an initrd, you have to know what's needed, and you could be right |
| 23:40.07 | mu-dev | but the kernel panic suggests to me something's missing |
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| 23:40.19 | ahunavairya | hi |
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| 23:41.09 | ahunavairya | i can't get oss4 to record mic, any help? |
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| 23:44.03 | seb_kuzminsky | i'm running an application in a debian, and it wants to set "ulimit -l" on a global basis, that is without using pam_limits |
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| 23:44.16 | seb_kuzminsky | is there a good way to do that? |
| 23:45.12 | seb_kuzminsky | there's a daemon (buildbot) that needs it for the per-build tests, but when buildbot starts from the init scripts, it doesnt log in, so it doesnt get the /etc/security/limits.conf stuff |
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| 23:46.35 | ahunavairya | i can't get oss4 to record mic, any help? |
| 23:46.39 | streuner | ahunavairya: OSS light are the modules in kernel |
| 23:46.50 | streuner | ALSA is now default |
| 23:47.09 | ahunavairya | i've been running oss4 for a while |
| 23:47.11 | seb_kuzminsky | global ulimits, howto? anyone? |
| 23:47.18 | ahunavairya | i don't understand the relevency of that though |
| 23:47.21 | streuner | yes, but its NOT free |
| 23:47.40 | streuner | IIRC |
| 23:47.47 | themill | ahunavairya: You might do better asking them not us. |
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| 23:47.59 | ahunavairya | them? |
| 23:48.01 | ahunavairya | oss people? |
| 23:48.07 | streuner | sure |
| 23:48.15 | ahunavairya | what is oss irc |
| 23:48.38 | streuner | use google |
| 23:48.45 | ahunavairya | already tried :\ |
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| 23:49.41 | _stack | mu-dev: specifing --initrd and installing that kernel doesn't create an initrd image..why? |
| 23:49.48 | _stack | Oo I'm confused and stressed :\ |
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| 23:50.25 | streuner | ahun: http://www.4front-tech.com/forum/index.php |
| 23:50.36 | Piper69 | how do i send HTML email, i use thunderbird but when i send i get the HTML code?! |
| 23:50.44 | streuner | hm, too late |
| 23:51.37 | petemc | Piper69: sounds like your problem is viewing html mail, rather than sending it |
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| 23:53.03 | fr00g | how do i compress with zip? well, should i be able to compress jpeg? by me i can only archive... both size are 30 MB |
| 23:53.26 | petemc | jpeg is already compressed, so dont expect much |
| 23:53.41 | fr00g | ok, thank you petemc |
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| 23:54.09 | Gnu_Raiz | why are you using zip whats wrong with tar, or gzip, or bzip2? |
| 23:54.24 | petemc | tar isnt a compression format |
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| 23:55.51 | Gnu_Raiz | yeah its an archive tool, that can use a compression such as bzip2. |
| 23:56.01 | Gnu_Raiz | just man tar and see what I mean. |
| 23:57.11 | Gnu_Raiz | I do agree with the jpeg question though, probably won't save much if compressed. |
| 23:57.31 | streuner | nothing which is relevant |
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| 23:57.38 | Piper69 | petemc: hmmm, well i thought that it could be gmail, but even i can't view it with TB? |
| 23:58.11 | petemc | Piper69: probably you can, i dont use thunderbird |
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| 23:59.19 | ekontsevoy | I added 2nd network card to a Ubuntu server, but I don't see eth1 anywhere... How do I "rescan" networking hardware from the command line? I do see 2nd card in lspci, but I don't have eth1 |
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| 23:59.52 | petemc | ekontsevoy: ask #ubuntu |
