| 00:00.45 | ekontsevoy | petemc: well... they aren't really technical there :) I'm doing ifconfig up manually but I wonder why won't it show up by itself after reboot? |
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| 00:01.18 | streuner | we told you, ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:03.18 | godwin2 | which mailserver is recommended for debian? |
| 00:03.27 | streuner | default? |
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| 00:03.40 | petemc | it ships with exim4, so you can take that as a recommendation |
| 00:03.54 | petemc | lots of people use postfix, which is equally good |
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| 00:04.02 | godwin2 | so its on standard installation of etch? |
| 00:04.08 | dondelelcaro | godwin2: no |
| 00:04.22 | dondelelcaro | godwin2: but it's the mailserver you get if you install something that requires one |
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| 00:05.13 | gsamsa | is there a problem with fluxkeys in lenny ? |
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| 00:06.11 | dustybin | Number concerning the next release: 167 ...the number has increased :( |
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| 00:07.23 | streuner | that could change pretty soon or not... |
| 00:08.38 | dustybin | ..things could be worse, Ubuntus bug page says this: |
| 00:08.39 | dustybin | Number of bugs we dont care about: 11247124 |
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| 00:09.01 | streuner | well, /me remember sarge, some people said, Debian never release anything, and then it suddenly goes very quick... |
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| 00:10.13 | streuner | s/goes/went/ |
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| 00:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it just seems quick after all that waiting :) |
| 00:26.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but well - at some time it will be released... within a second :) |
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| 00:28.14 | muramasa | Hi there, I asked in #kde as well, but thought I'd try my luck here too. I just installed japanese input on my fresh debian system and it works with most application, apart from KDE applications in which case I have to manually right-click and choose "xim" under "Select input method". Does anyone know of a way to make that default? |
| 00:28.14 | streuner | hehe :-) |
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| 00:28.35 | mase_work | hey guys, is anyone running sid ? if so could you please tell me which version of X and the kernel are in sid. I've got an intel 4500 and would like to run sid if possible |
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| 00:31.08 | Octalot | mase_work: you can look them up on packages.debian.org (I'm fiddling about with a custom kernel, so wouldn't be able to tell you without referring to the website or aptitude myself) |
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| 00:34.23 | Beererde | hi. how can i remove a package with apt-get whose files have already been removed? my apt-get is broken because it cannot remove the file |
| 00:34.45 | jpinx | I'm in a language environment and I have a spanish keyboard but I use english. dpkg-reconfigure locale doesn't give me the option I need. How can I make my keyboard work ok without changing the language of the system? |
| 00:34.54 | dondelelcaro | Beererde: reinstall the package, then remove it. |
| 00:34.59 | Beererde | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 00:35.07 | streuner | Beererde: show us the whole error message in paste.debian.net please |
| 00:35.12 | jpinx | Beererde: you could try aptitude |
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| 00:35.54 | Beererde | streuner: http://pastebin.com/m62c4138d |
| 00:36.24 | mase_work | thank you Octalot |
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| 00:36.32 | streuner | Beererde: #ubuntu |
| 00:36.38 | Beererde | forget #ubuntu .. :/ |
| 00:36.44 | ringo999 | trying to uninstall mpd i get this: http://pastebin.com/d6174e609 how to resolve? |
| 00:36.49 | Beererde | but the apt-get is the same, isnt it? |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | no it is not |
| 00:37.09 | Germanaz0 | hi |
| 00:37.13 | Germanaz0 | I have a question |
| 00:37.17 | Beererde | i switch to debian :/ |
| 00:37.22 | lavren | Is there any particular reason why /dev/kmem can't be read in debian? If I recall there was a debian patch for writing to kmem and mem, but isn't that exclusive to debian patched kernels, and isn't it write only. |
| 00:37.24 | abrotman | !d-i Beererde |
| 00:37.25 | dpkg | Beererde, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:37.28 | Germanaz0 | cvs can connect to a web server ? |
| 00:37.35 | jpinx | anyone able to help me sort out my keyboard please? ^^ |
| 00:37.41 | Beererde | abrotman: ok :) |
| 00:38.41 | Pryon | Germanaz0: http://viewvc.org/index.html |
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| 00:39.29 | Germanaz0 | ty |
| 00:41.19 | lavren | ls |
| 00:41.23 | Pryon | . .. |
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| 00:44.13 | lavren | any reason why mmap fails on /dev/kmem in Debian/Ubuntu? |
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| 00:44.23 | Pryon | permissions? |
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| 00:47.04 | sebastian | layer8 problem? |
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| 00:47.37 | bhundven | hehehe, l8 |
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| 00:47.45 | LimCore | hello. Is there some small(?) tool to checksum files? Supporting a small database in top of local tree (like SUMS file) and preferrably also supporting database of know files etc? |
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| 00:48.27 | shawn_ | can i resume from hibernate with a swap in lvm? |
| 00:49.01 | azeem | LimCore: well, for file installed by dpkg/apt, there is debsums |
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| 00:51.00 | jelly-uk | lavren: a) which kernels (uname -r and package versions) b) what's your use case anyway c) we don't know anything about ubuntu |
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| 00:51.35 | jelly-uk | won't throw the "google is your friend" in... yet |
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| 00:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws lots of little google-friends on the floor like marbles for jelly-uk |
| 00:55.18 | Ian_Daniher|XO | Is there any way I can keep an executable file on a fat32 SD card? |
| 00:55.31 | Ian_Daniher|XO | I can't seem to chmod +x it, likely b/c fat32 doesn't support it |
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| 00:56.46 | jelly-uk | Ian_Daniher|XO: it does. the mount options (umask, fileumask) are responsible for files having or missing +x on vfat |
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| 00:57.39 | Ian_Daniher|XO | jelly-uk: how would I change the command to support +x? |
| 00:57.53 | Ian_Daniher|XO | if you don't know off the top of your head, I'll man it |
| 00:58.02 | jelly-uk | I don't |
| 00:58.14 | Ian_Daniher|XO | k, thanks |
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| 00:59.45 | jelly-uk | Ian_Daniher|XO: man mount, /vfat, it's fmask=022 instead of 133 or something |
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| 01:03.22 | shogunx | hi all. anyone running the experimental tree? |
| 01:03.35 | simonrvn | no one does |
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| 01:03.57 | shogunx | if so, mind apt-cache search ing for the version of wordpress therein? |
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| 01:04.16 | _anyone | no, I don't |
| 01:04.22 | shogunx | i have a user who wants a more recent version than the one in sid. |
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| 01:05.02 | jelly-uk | lavren: http://bugs.debian.org/325060 |
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| 01:05.09 | shogunx | _anyone that was in general, to any person in the channel, but thanks. |
| 01:05.11 | eflynn | I have an external HD, the debian ISO, and Windows. How do i install debian onto another computer with this? |
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| 01:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 01:11.34 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 01:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps |
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| 01:13.10 | Joelito | how about http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ :) |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i fully expect your package won't hit new for four months! |
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| 01:14.22 | shogunx | heh... dibbler. |
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| 01:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I won't bet against that! |
| 01:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least not more than perhaps $1 ... a beer at most |
| 01:22.30 | abrotman | mmm .. $1 beer |
| 01:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | shogunx, sausage inna bun? I'm also selling dragon-detectors, if you had problems with dragons lately |
| 01:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps better just a pence? :-P |
| 01:23.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's cuttin me own throat |
| 01:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | regrets that disembowl-myself-honorably is too long even for irc |
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| 01:27.38 | shogunx | hahaha |
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| 01:28.10 | shogunx | as long as you don't want to be the agent for my band, CutMeOwnThroat, we are straight;) |
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| 01:43.57 | eflynn | CutMeOwnThroat, found what i needed: SYSLINUX. |
| 01:44.22 | eflynn | !syslinux |
| 01:44.22 | dpkg | from memory, syslinux is the boot loader used on the Debian rescue floppy. Similar to lilo, but uses DOS-formatted floppies. |
| 01:44.30 | eflynn | also works with harddrives |
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| 01:47.08 | RickyWh | what is the command to update php to the latest version after fresh install of debian etch |
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| 01:48.23 | eflynn | !etch->lenny |
| 01:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | shogunx, bah, I'm so done with music with rocks in |
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| 01:51.33 | abrotman | RickyWh: for apache? |
| 01:52.11 | vipersniper | # ifup eth3:1 |
| 01:52.11 | vipersniper | ifup: failed to open statefile /etc/network/run/ifstate: No such file or directory |
| 01:52.21 | vipersniper | but the directory and file are there |
| 01:52.27 | RickyWh | well, I want to use the php MSN api but it requires php 5.2.1 + |
| 01:52.35 | RickyWh | I have 5.2.0x installed |
| 01:52.40 | vipersniper | but i can't edit the file |
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| 01:52.45 | RickyWh | hence why I need to upgrade my php |
| 01:53.04 | vipersniper | nay thoughts |
| 01:53.07 | vipersniper | any |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | judd: versions libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 01:53.52 | judd | abrotman: libapache2-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0-8+etch13 lenny: 5.2.6-5 sid: 5.2.6-5 |
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| 01:55.52 | vipersniper | abrotman, can you help with my issue |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | COWS! |
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| 01:56.22 | abrotman | what are the perms on the file? |
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| 01:57.10 | vipersniper | i can't do a ls -l on /etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 01:57.23 | vipersniper | i don't know why |
| 01:57.34 | vipersniper | but i can see the file in the run directory |
| 01:58.04 | vipersniper | should i delete the directory and the file and recreate them |
| 01:58.16 | vipersniper | or is that a bad move |
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| 01:58.49 | onetinsoldier | what happens when you try a ls -l? i'm curious... |
| 01:59.12 | onetinsoldier | how is it that you can't do it? |
| 01:59.31 | onetinsoldier | yet you can see the file... sounds wierd |
| 01:59.44 | vipersniper | ls: cannot access /etc/network/run/ifstate: No such file or directory |
| 01:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | fsck? |
| 02:00.04 | onetinsoldier | are you the root user when you try? |
| 02:00.13 | vipersniper | yes, im root |
| 02:00.36 | onetinsoldier | ok, try 'lsattr /etc/network/run/ifstate' |
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| 02:00.53 | RickyWh | anyone know if there is a command to update php to the latest version after fresh install of debian etch |
| 02:01.02 | onetinsoldier | lsattr = list attributes |
| 02:01.29 | vipersniper | # lsattr /etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 02:01.29 | vipersniper | lsattr: No such file or directory while trying to stat /etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | RickyWh: you can't, you'd have to compile it oyurself |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | vipersniper: then the file isn't there ? |
| 02:02.31 | vipersniper | abrotman, why is it showing, im not nuts :) |
| 02:02.38 | onetinsoldier | vipersniper: ok, i don't know what's up there... tis strange. perhaps it like CutMeOwnThroat mentioned. maybe an fsck on the partition is in order. i dunno |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | showing where? strace it ? |
| 02:03.12 | vipersniper | abrotman, how do i trace it |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | strace ifup eth3:1 |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | orwhatever it is |
| 02:04.08 | vipersniper | is it ok to delete the the run directory and recreate it, see if that will work |
| 02:06.02 | onetinsoldier | if a file has been hidden with the chattr command... can root still see it's attributes with lsattr? or must he first use chattr before it will show with lsattr? |
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| 02:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti onetinsoldier |
| 02:06.59 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, onetinsoldier? |
| 02:07.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | reiserfs doesn't have attributes, though |
| 02:07.57 | onetinsoldier | i have certainly thought about doing just that.. just make a 'test' file and check it out. in a bit.. i'm eating! hehe |
| 02:08.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | type with 1 hand |
| 02:08.36 | onetinsoldier | i can only handle one window whilst i'm eating.. that's my excuse. what's yours? lol |
| 02:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^ |
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| 02:09.36 | vipersniper | /etc/network# rm -r run |
| 02:09.37 | vipersniper | rm: cannot remove `run/ifstate': No such file or directory |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | fsck it |
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| 02:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:10.41 | vipersniper | abrotman, its a remote box, how do fsck it |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | touch /forcefsck && reboot .. and wait .. pray it's nothing serious that requires your intervention |
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| 02:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | if he doesn't come back we'll all just assume the problem is solved |
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| 02:20.34 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: if your curious, you can't hide a file with the chattr command, only make it so it cannot be written to or read from, nor deleted. it's still visible tho |
| 02:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's the hidden flag do |
| 02:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | or is there no hidden flag? |
| 02:21.37 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: nope.. no hidden flag. |
| 02:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was DOS, then :) |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | uh .. yes |
| 02:21.53 | onetinsoldier | at least that i see at first glance. |
| 02:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you fooled me for a minute there |
| 02:22.07 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: is there a hidden flag? maybe i missed it. |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | no .. i meant yes it was dos |
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| 02:22.56 | onetinsoldier | k, gotcha |
| 02:24.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that qemu system is weird, btw - cannot type pipe for example |
| 02:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't even copy&paste pipe |
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| 02:26.32 | abrotman | keymap wrong! |
| 02:26.53 | scgtrp | i can't install vmware on my debian system: http://pastebin.ca/1266334 |
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| 02:27.19 | abrotman | i think you want #vmware |
| 02:27.51 | scgtrp | fair enough. |
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| 02:29.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were right, wrong keymap |
| 02:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought so... then thought can't be, why should that affect paste |
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| 02:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha - it IS possible to remount / as readonly |
| 02:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | admittedly I did fuser -mk -9 / to make it possible |
| 02:36.12 | LamerC | I've got a small question. I just tried to burn a dvd: 'wodim -v dev=/dev/cdrw dvdimage.iso' and it recorded slowly 0.5-2x buffer 20-50%. |
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| 02:36.59 | LamerC | I then restarted my computer and performed the same operation with the same image and the same type of dvd, it wrote ~9x with buffer ~90% |
| 02:37.49 | LamerC | So what caused it to be slow before hand? I shut down all applications but still it was slow. And is there a way to get rid of this problem and avoid restarting? |
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| 02:39.47 | onetinsoldier | LamerC: who knows, it sounds like there could be some kind of bugginess somewhere. what version of debian are you using? |
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| 02:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | LamerC, did you check dmesg when you had the problem? |
| 02:40.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could have tried to unload/reload the kernel modules for cdrom |
| 02:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | or it could have been some problem in the drives electronic itself... sometimes devices are in some weird state and switching off for half a minute or so cures it... |
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| 02:43.12 | LamerC | debian 4 |
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| 02:43.51 | LamerC | nope I just checked it afterward i restarted butforgot to check it before |
| 02:44.06 | enouf | LamerC: 1st off, wodim -prcap when you have the issue again - and install dvd+rw-tools and use growisofs - i think older versions of wodim remember the last speed setting of whatever optical media was in |
| 02:44.35 | lepine | I'm trying to defect back to debian from ubuntu. I want my desktop to become my fileserver. I currently have an mdadm raid1. What's the mistake i can't make in the installer/partionner. Are there any, outside of asking it to format, or reset the partition table? |
| 02:44.49 | PhrkOnLsh_local | Hello, all, my sid server has been acting up; when I try to look up any addresses using dig, nslookup, host... it fails with SERVFAIL, regardless of the nameserver in my /etc/resolv.conf; I have it go through a bind9 on the localhost, it fails, the router, which relays to the isp, the isp, all fail |
| 02:45.10 | PhrkOnLsh_local | Except if I do a lookup using the bind9 running on my laptop! |
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| 02:45.32 | PhrkOnLsh_local | I would ask #bind, but it's broken even when I'm not asking my bind servers. |
| 02:46.35 | onetinsoldier | lepine: i don't think there's any other issues. are you going to install lenny? |
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| 02:48.30 | scientes | how do i enter the isntaller partitioner post-installation |
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| 02:49.26 | onetinsoldier | lepine: i recently installed lenny. i didn't really have any problem. i did have to reboot and restart the installer once and had to reset/remark the partitions for formatting again. did that and it came back saying i wasn't done setting up my partitions. so i went to the partitioner again and deleted the swap partition, then remade it, and after that it moved on |
| 02:50.03 | lepine | onetinsoldier: installing plain etch |
| 02:50.13 | onetinsoldier | lepine: copy |
| 02:50.15 | enouf | scientes: you don't, i mean you could run through the whole setup process .. but the installer uses partman/libparted, IIRC |
| 02:50.51 | scientes | k |
| 02:50.59 | lepine | onetinsoldier: that the catch, i have 2 raid1 devices ... one for the os, which i will definitely scrap ... but there's the data one that cannot die. |
| 02:51.21 | enouf | scientes: you could install parted, and use that, or even gnu-parted |
| 02:51.32 | LamerC | hmm when I run wodim it says the same speed, starting to record at 17x but runs about 0-2x with the buffer constantly dropping low |
| 02:51.35 | onetinsoldier | lepine: copy, i don't know anyting about raid. |
| 02:51.35 | scientes | trying to do raid1 |
| 02:51.39 | LamerC | I'll check growisofs |
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| 02:52.29 | zambaboo | can apt tell me to which package a file belongs? |
| 02:52.43 | PhrkOnLsh_local | any pop an idea at what my dns is doing? |
| 02:52.45 | onetinsoldier | zambaboo: the dpkg command can |
| 02:53.04 | lepine | PhrkOnLsh_local: have you tried sniffing? |
| 02:53.14 | lepine | maybe you're getting blocked somewhere |
| 02:54.01 | PhrkOnLsh_local | lepine: I don't think so... my connections to localhost aren't monitored :) |
| 02:54.06 | onetinsoldier | zambaboo: i think it's 'dpkg -S <file>'.. let me check |
| 02:54.12 | PhrkOnLsh_local | and the bind9 running on my laptop is in the same LAN as the server... |
| 02:54.20 | zambaboo | thanks you guy |
| 02:54.22 | zambaboo | i got it |
| 02:54.22 | lepine | so you're querying for records hosted on a a local dns? |
| 02:54.43 | lepine | the keyword here is local zones/records |
| 02:54.56 | lepine | because if you have to recurse, you might still have the firewalling problem |
| 02:55.02 | PhrkOnLsh_local | lepine: I just want DNS working on this server :) any sort of DNS server I throw at it simply sends (or nslookup gives me) SERVFAIL |
| 02:55.17 | zambaboo | gah i need libstdc++5 on this ubuntu box and the repo only has 6 |
| 02:55.20 | lepine | i'd sniff the traffic |
| 02:55.20 | PhrkOnLsh_local | lepine: I don't have iptables set up on it yet, imo |
| 02:55.23 | PhrkOnLsh_local | er... wait a nit |
| 02:55.28 | enouf | LamerC: there's also speed= options ..and many others such as -dummy for testing, but i thought -prcap would show you the write speed it's set to (or maybe i'm thinking also of "dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cdrw") - has also to do with -atip data that it obtains from the media, IINM - do; wodim -help 2>&1 | less |
| 02:55.30 | lepine | or just trying nmapping your ISP's dns server |
| 02:55.39 | onetinsoldier | zambaboo: copy |
| 02:56.13 | zambaboo | onetinsoldier, its linked against a bunch of other stuff |
| 02:56.26 | onetinsoldier | zambaboo: i beleive me.. i know how that is |
| 02:56.32 | onetinsoldier | i = oh |
| 02:56.49 | zambaboo | onetinsoldier, would it break things if i installed a deb from an older system? |
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| 02:57.06 | PhrkOnLsh_local | no, i dont have iptables set up |
| 02:57.32 | lepine | could it be further down the line? |
| 02:57.52 | lepine | or is another machine querying fine? |
| 02:57.58 | lepine | (on your lan) |
| 02:58.41 | PhrkOnLsh_local | i have laptop on my lan that queries fine with bind9 (localhost), my router, etc etc. The server (same lan) fails on those same three |
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| 02:59.12 | onetinsoldier | zambaboo: well, i'd be careful with libstdc++. you can do stuff. like try and install it to a different patch.. or use dpkg-deb to extract it to somewhere.. then play with it.. like symlink the needed files in the /usr/lib dir, ect... |
| 02:59.25 | onetinsoldier | s/patch/path |
| 02:59.40 | zambaboo | onetinsoldier, i guess i could extract a deb yeah |
| 02:59.54 | LamerC | okay, wodim -prcap lists max and current write spead as CD:48x, DVD:6x |
| 03:00.14 | lepine | PhrkOnLsh_local: so the problem is that your laptop's bind instance on version x works, not not the server's bind version Y |
| 03:00.25 | lepine | *but not ... |
| 03:01.31 | onetinsoldier | zambaboo: even you try to install it, you would probably be ok, becuae you will be told that it cannot be installed due to it wanting to overwrite existing files. at that point you would have to 'force' it if you 'really' wanted it actually installed |
| 03:01.31 | lepine | making it a software issue, and not some network thing. just to be sure, you can iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F |
| 03:01.33 | zambaboo | onetinsoldier, sweet, thanks, looks like it work |
| 03:01.48 | zambaboo | onetinsoldier, naw, it lives right next to 6 |
| 03:02.09 | onetinsoldier | zambaboo: copy.. glad to hear it looks to be working |
| 03:02.43 | stoned | hey guys and gals of the #debian |
| 03:02.46 | stoned | what is up! |
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| 03:03.52 | onetinsoldier | hi stoned! finally finishing a house we've been fixing up, and i am soo glad it's almost done! :) what's up with you? |
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| 03:05.24 | onetinsoldier | stoned: and i've got a custom kernel i've set up for compiling.. but there's some error at the end... but i had to step away and missed exactly what went wrong. so now i have to try again so i can see what's happening with make-kpkg |
| 03:05.30 | PhrkOnLsh_local | connection died ;( |
| 03:05.48 | stoned | yeh im just popping in tonight to say hi |
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| 03:05.54 | stoned | I'm kinda pooped out otherwise I'd help ya |
| 03:05.56 | onetinsoldier | well howdy |
| 03:05.58 | stoned | gimme a few I maybe back |
| 03:06.11 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 03:06.21 | stoned | I had to unit test 90% of the code today |
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| 03:06.31 | stoned | otherwise it won't validate/compile |
| 03:06.36 | stoned | shit kicked my ass man |
| 03:06.40 | stoned | anyway |
| 03:06.41 | onetinsoldier | i'll bet! |
| 03:06.57 | yitz_ | How do I check what architecture my OS was compiled for? |
| 03:07.03 | onetinsoldier | although i don't know what 'unit test' is... |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | dpkg-architecture |
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| 03:08.39 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: wikipedia |
| 03:08.42 | stoned | unit testing is a software development design methology. You make sure that each individual independent/nonindependent piece of code validates. Basically you write the test for the code before you write the code, and you test your code while you blah blah blah... just know that sales'forces force.com platform with that crazy JAVA language called Apex is fucking horrible. |
| 03:08.49 | stoned | anyway, its off freakin topic |
| 03:08.50 | stoned | :) |
| 03:09.20 | onetinsoldier | copy... sounds interesting though |
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| 03:09.27 | yitz_ | abrotman: Thanks |
| 03:09.30 | stoned | I just typed that up, I didn't copy |
| 03:09.34 | stoned | !crackhead! |
| 03:09.34 | dpkg | malovaski is a crackhead |
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| 03:10.06 | stoned | o.. you mean 'copy that'! rogher that etc. etc. nm im dumb |
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| 03:10.31 | stoned | pdf2html is not in debian? wtf... |
| 03:10.39 | onetinsoldier | hehe, 10-4 good buddy, roger that, cc, copy that, i hear ya |
| 03:11.04 | Octalot | stoned: apt-file find pdf2html |
| 03:11.14 | stoned | v pdftohtml |
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| 03:11.23 | stoned | I searche for pdf + html |
| 03:11.29 | stoned | its not 2... go figure |
| 03:11.42 | stoned | binary is also called pdftohtml |
| 03:12.10 | Octalot | package swish-e has a pdf2html as well |
| 03:12.20 | stoned | hm |
| 03:12.31 | stoned | is that not the same thing as pdf'to'html? |
| 03:12.54 | stoned | is pdf2html a diff software? I don't like the formatting of the document that it just provided, I'm seeing tons of BR tags insead of P tags |
| 03:12.58 | stoned | wtf |
| 03:13.09 | Riviera_ | there always were for example pdf2ps and pdftops |
| 03:13.19 | Riviera_ | pdf2ps from ghostscript and pdftops from xpdf |
| 03:13.22 | stoned | uhuh |
| 03:13.26 | stoned | yes I see them |
| 03:13.30 | Riviera_ | with the "-to-" tools always being superior |
| 03:13.37 | stoned | oh? |
| 03:13.46 | stoned | why is that Riviera_ ? |
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| 03:14.47 | Riviera_ | hm hm hm, many little things, pdf2ascii usually created garbage while pdftotext was often quite nice to read, pdftops rendered graphics nicer, with ..2ps it often was somehow "pixelized" |
| 03:15.03 | stoned | I see |
| 03:15.15 | stoned | well i used pdftohtml and I see extremely nasty code |
| 03:15.19 | Riviera_ | the best quality (in my opinion) for pdf to postscript conversion gives (in my opinion) the non-free "acroread -toPostScript" |
| 03:15.25 | stoned | I see |
| 03:15.33 | Riviera_ | 8) |
| 03:15.41 | enouf | pass me some lube, i need to test my unit |
| 03:15.50 | stoned | is there a way to stream pdf files from the server in a way that it doesn't require any browser plugins? |
| 03:15.55 | onetinsoldier | enough! already.. lol |
| 03:16.03 | stoned | but you don't have to convert it to html |
| 03:16.25 | stoned | embed pdf in such a way that adobe or any pdf viwing program is not requried |
| 03:16.45 | stoned | I think saw some websites like that where they were having pdf files but you didn't need a thingy but now I'm lost |
| 03:16.51 | stoned | shoulda bookmardked it |
| 03:16.54 | stoned | enouf, ! my main man |
| 03:17.00 | Riviera_ | stoned: there are at least pdf viewers in java |
| 03:17.08 | stoned | eh.. |
| 03:17.14 | stoned | serverside java? |
| 03:17.15 | Status | stoned probably server-side pdf to html conversion? |
| 03:17.18 | stoned | yes |
| 03:17.24 | stoned | exactly what I'm searching for |
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| 03:17.32 | stoned | let me search a bit |
| 03:17.40 | Riviera_ | stoned: no no |
| 03:17.40 | K_Dallas | Q: If I want to use Debian but have the hardware, peripheral recognition of Ubuntu, what should I copy from a working ubuntu laptop (or a livecd one) to the Debian system to get the same driver support? Thanks |
| 03:17.42 | Riviera_ | stoned: client-side |
| 03:17.57 | stoned | no I want it server side, I don't want the client to care |
| 03:18.02 | Riviera_ | stoned: http://www.componentsource.com/products/dotimage-pdf-reader/index.html |
| 03:18.03 | abrotman | K_Dallas: you wouldn't |
| 03:18.05 | stoned | without or with pdf plugin |
| 03:18.06 | Riviera_ | stoned: probably something like this |
| 03:18.09 | stoned | ok thanks br |
| 03:18.11 | stoned | b |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | K_Dallas: either use debian or ubuntu .. do not mix them |
| 03:18.14 | K_Dallas | abrotman, oh |
| 03:18.19 | Status | stoned client-side java would work ;] |
| 03:18.22 | Riviera_ | stoned: but that was just the first random google hit ;) |
| 03:18.35 | stoned | word im lookin on google too bro man |
| 03:18.41 | Status | the java coded to get the pdf from some url..the user wouldn't need anything still |
| 03:18.50 | stoned | not even java? |
| 03:18.50 | K_Dallas | abrotman, so I have to configure not recognized devices on my own, no way to use what ubuntu has |
| 03:18.56 | stoned | I mean a server side java converter |
| 03:18.58 | stoned | not client side |
| 03:19.12 | stoned | anything packaged already? |
| 03:19.18 | stoned | or is this getting offtopic now? |
| 03:19.27 | Status | guess you're asking for too much ;] |
| 03:19.30 | stoned | heh yeh |
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| 03:19.44 | PhrkOnLsh | regards from a stable source |
| 03:19.45 | abrotman | K_Dallas: that depends what it is |
| 03:19.47 | stoned | join me in #debian-chat then |
| 03:19.52 | stoned | we'll take it there |
| 03:20.23 | Status | don't like joining many channels ;] |
| 03:20.31 | stoned | word |
| 03:22.28 | PhrkOnLsh | lepine: my dns is still borked after a reboot of both boxen ... ;( |
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| 03:22.50 | Octalot | stoned: if you're happy with the bandwidth of transferring the documents as images, have a look at ghostscript (packaged in Debian), it can dump files as PNGs. |
| 03:23.01 | stoned | ugh |
| 03:23.09 | stoned | I'd consider it but nah |
| 03:23.24 | stoned | bandwidth for me is not an issue, I'm worried about clients with slow speeds |
| 03:23.50 | stoned | fuck it, I'm not gonna worry about it until I get go back to work tomorrow |
| 03:23.53 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: do you know exactly what packages are causing your woes? |
| 03:24.12 | Octalot | stoned: good answer |
| 03:24.17 | stoned | heh |
| 03:24.34 | PhrkOnLsh | onetinsoldier: no, it's just a general DNS f*ckup... |
| 03:25.07 | PhrkOnLsh | onetinsoldier: whatever one has dig, nslookup, host etc ;) |
| 03:25.07 | Status | PhrkOnLsh can u do a lookup locally on the server box? |
| 03:25.10 | PhrkOnLsh | no, no lookups will work... |
| 03:25.17 | PhrkOnLsh | the networking on both these boxen is just fscked |
| 03:25.30 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: copy. i was going to suggest that you go back to the old version of it/them if you still have an older version(s) in /ver/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:25.39 | Status | misconfiguration? |
| 03:25.39 | Octalot | stoned: PNGs might be smaller than the Java client for a few documents; and the folks who want to read a lot are more likely to be okay with the one-time hassle of installing a PDF reader. |
| 03:25.43 | onetinsoldier | s/ver/var |
| 03:25.55 | PhrkOnLsh | Status: all just standard debian configs :) |
| 03:26.03 | stoned | Octalot, I'll consult with some other developers at work tomorrow and see what they think |
| 03:26.11 | stoned | right now, I'm done with computers for the night |
| 03:26.23 | Status | PhrkOnLsh i never used debian so i don't really know how's the standard config.. |
| 03:26.32 | Status | i believe in going in and doing things |
| 03:26.45 | Status | but if u can't even do a local lookup..i'd guess misconfiguration |
| 03:26.49 | PhrkOnLsh | lol, well I need it to work before I can go in :) |
| 03:26.53 | Status | cose the dns server should work at least on that box |
| 03:27.09 | PhrkOnLsh | Status: I did a purge-reinstall of bind9 to no avail... |
| 03:27.36 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: oh.. you can't even get into your system? i didn't know that. remote box? |
| 03:27.42 | PhrkOnLsh | Status: I feel it may have to do with my router, but imo am not sure because the router wokrs with dns lookups from my laptop |
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| 03:27.53 | PhrkOnLsh | onetinsoldier: currently a crossover cable-ssh combo :o |
| 03:28.07 | Status | why all that mess? |
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| 03:28.16 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: roger.. anyway... locate dig | grep bin && dpkg -S /usr/bin/dig |
| 03:28.18 | PhrkOnLsh | Status: because I can't seem to ssh oer lan |
| 03:28.44 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: i get... 'dnsutils' as the answer on my lenny system |
| 03:28.51 | Status | how many pc's on ur network? |
| 03:28.52 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, let's try that then... |
| 03:28.54 | Status | 2...more? |
| 03:29.17 | PhrkOnLsh | Status: mm, four imo... laptop (debian/sid), desktop (win),tivo, server (debian sid) |
| 03:29.40 | PhrkOnLsh | the server has a dhcp reservation for 192.168.0.100 by my dlink router |
| 03:30.16 | PhrkOnLsh | but I can' sst |
| 03:30.20 | PhrkOnLsh | ssh |
| 03:30.21 | Status | PhrkOnLsh i have mine setup in a different way...got 3 boxes here... |
| 03:30.24 | PhrkOnLsh | may just o a full reinstall |
| 03:30.38 | PhrkOnLsh | rescue /var/www and mysql tables and blast the fscker |
| 03:30.42 | PhrkOnLsh | same to my laptop |
| 03:30.52 | Status | dsl modem -> linksys router -> 1gb d-link smart-switch -> computers... |
| 03:30.54 | PhrkOnLsh | do full backup via crossover to the remote and reinstall |
| 03:30.59 | PhrkOnLsh | nice |
| 03:31.08 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: will you be using 'sid' again? |
| 03:31.08 | Status | this way lan traffic never reaches the router... |
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| 03:31.33 | PhrkOnLsh | onetinsoldier: prolly not on the server :) |
| 03:31.45 | PhrkOnLsh | on the laptop, yeah, cause I have a screen to wander with :) |
| 03:32.14 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: copy that |
| 03:32.36 | Status | oks..i have is a prob.... |
| 03:33.01 | Status | anyone here with a working debian netboot using nfs? |
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| 03:34.45 | Status | damn it not 1 single person? ;/ |
| 03:34.51 | PhrkOnLsh | lol not me :) |
| 03:35.45 | enouf | PhrkOnLsh: tried power cycling your router? |
| 03:35.54 | onetinsoldier | nor me.. i've never used netboot nor nfs. i'm just a lowly regualr desktop user, hehe |
| 03:36.13 | onetinsoldier | regular* |
| 03:36.17 | PhrkOnLsh | enouf: yeah, tried cycling power everywhere :) |
| 03:36.39 | enouf | ouch |
| 03:36.42 | scientes | im seriously tired of ubuntu |
| 03:36.55 | scientes | they switched to UTC=no as default |
| 03:37.03 | enouf | no wonder why you've been so quiet |
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| 03:37.08 | scientes | they just keep dumping down their product |
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| 03:38.33 | Lemens-TS | i had a perl script running in a screen session, the perl script runs every 60 seconds a query in mysql. Some reason it froze, i went into screen and the script wouldnt let me Ctrl-C to kill it. I ended up having to kill the processes....does that sound like the screen was having problems or the perl script? |
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| 03:39.04 | Status | onetinsoldier im trying to get some things on netboot... |
| 03:39.32 | Status | one of them being a usable debian distro over netboot but the damn kernel won't mount the nfs volume |
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| 03:39.42 | PhrkOnLsh | 04:37 (PhrkOnLsh) this is jsut fucken wierder... |
| 03:39.42 | PhrkOnLsh | 04:38 (PhrkOnLsh) I have crossover cable from laptop to server (192.168.0.1->192.168.0.2) which only responds to ssh from 192.168.0.100 reports to be the server's wlan0 ip...) |
| 03:39.42 | Status | if i boot into debian..i can do it manually... |
| 03:39.45 | PhrkOnLsh | 04:38 (PhrkOnLsh) and 192.168.0.2 doesn't respond to ssh, via crossover |
| 03:39.47 | PhrkOnLsh | 04:38 (PhrkOnLsh) and 192.168.0.100 doesn't respond when I unplug the crossover |
| 03:39.52 | PhrkOnLsh | it makes no sense ;( |
| 03:40.08 | PhrkOnLsh | this thing was such a PITA to get installed up here, too |
| 03:40.15 | onetinsoldier | Status: what's unbuntu's philosophy? linux newbie friendly or something? |
| 03:40.41 | Status | onetinsoldier i'd say |
| 03:40.46 | zambaboo | onetinsoldier, my mom uses it |
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| 03:40.53 | ryty | I'm having a strange problem with a promis sata 300 TX4 sata controller: ata5: SError: { RecovComm PHYRdyChg 10B8B Dispar DevExch } \nata5: port is slow to respond, please be patient (Status 0xff) \nata5: COMRESET failed (errno=-16) \nata5: reset failed, giving up |
| 03:41.06 | Status | i've installed ubuntu for a friend of mine which had never used linux...dude likes it |
| 03:41.09 | zambaboo | is not worried about viruses and such |
| 03:41.13 | \amethyst | PhrkOnLsh: you might try a different network, like 192.168.1.0/24, for the crossover |
| 03:41.15 | abrotman | Ubuntu talk goes to #ubuntu |
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| 03:41.27 | PhrkOnLsh | what does that /24 do? |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: google "netmask" |
| 03:41.38 | onetinsoldier | roger guys... |
| 03:41.38 | \amethyst | PhrkOnLsh: that just means 192.168.1.1--254 |
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| 03:41.43 | Status | PhrkOnLsh why don't u just fix the network up? |
| 03:41.50 | Status | why the crossovers and all that crap? |
| 03:42.02 | PhrkOnLsh | Status: cause ssh over wifi doesn't work ;( |
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| 03:42.08 | PhrkOnLsh | crossover is only poss. connection taht works |
| 03:42.10 | \amethyst | PhrkOnLsh: with the current setup, it's probably getting confused as to which packets go over which network |
| 03:42.11 | Status | of course it does ;] |
| 03:42.12 | ryty | has anyone seen this issue, or does anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 03:42.23 | PhrkOnLsh | \amethyst: makes sense |
| 03:42.34 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, here's food for thought... |
| 03:42.40 | PhrkOnLsh | PING 205.171.3.65 (205.171.3.65) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 03:42.40 | PhrkOnLsh | From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 03:42.45 | PhrkOnLsh | that's my ISP's dns |
| 03:42.55 | zambaboo | listens to chinese democracy and is impressed |
| 03:43.01 | PhrkOnLsh | sounds like a corssover cable fskup indeed then.. |
| 03:43.06 | Status | mine's wired/wireless..and i can ssh to the server...and even watch movies over samba also from the server... |
| 03:43.13 | \amethyst | PhrkOnLsh: and .0.1 is the laptop that you're pinging from? |
| 03:43.30 | \amethyst | PhrkOnLsh: or the server? |
| 03:43.42 | PhrkOnLsh | \amethyst: that's the router, and the server :) |
| 03:43.47 | PhrkOnLsh | that ping was placed from the router |
| 03:44.01 | PhrkOnLsh | er |
| 03:44.04 | PhrkOnLsh | brinfart |
| 03:44.11 | PhrkOnLsh | that ping was placed from the sserver** |
| 03:44.16 | Status | get a switch ;] |
| 03:44.17 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: i recommend using some tcp/ip monitoring tools.. like iptraf. might give you some insight |
| 03:44.26 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
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| 03:45.12 | Status | preferably a 1gb...and make the whole lan gigabit so u can watch movies etc.. without slowdowns ;] |
| 03:45.30 | PhrkOnLsh | Status: I"m 16 and it's my parents' network primarily ;) |
| 03:45.41 | PhrkOnLsh | or i'd love to :P |
| 03:46.01 | ryty | tell them they can watch their movies faster ;-) |
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| 03:46.05 | PhrkOnLsh | lol |
| 03:46.08 | Status | so..get a stapler... |
| 03:46.29 | Status | staple the cable a few times (the one that goes to ur dad's computer) |
| 03:47.01 | Status | that oughta make the cable crippled and lose lots of packets all the time...making the internet slow on it... |
| 03:47.07 | PhrkOnLsh | hehe |
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| 03:47.17 | Status | and tell him to make it faster again he needs to go buy a 1gb switch ;] |
| 03:47.27 | Status | costs like 30/40 bucks |
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| 03:48.00 | Status | no more crossovers..and no more bs ;] |
| 03:48.13 | Status | and everything will work...from the wireless ssh to the dns part ;] |
| 03:48.30 | abrotman | how is this related to Debian ? |
| 03:48.35 | vipersniper | abrotman, i fixed the /etc/network/run/ifstate problem :) with doing a fsck |
| 03:48.43 | abrotman | vipersniper: glad to hear it |
| 03:48.45 | sanjuro | what was the shortcut to switch desktops? |
| 03:48.53 | sanjuro | i'm afraid ill do something stupid if i try to hit keys |
| 03:48.55 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f# ? |
| 03:48.56 | Sling | alt+F4 |
| 03:48.59 | Sling | sorry :P |
| 03:49.00 | Status | abrotman he's using debian ;] |
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| 03:49.18 | sanjuro | this one time i hit a combo of keys and it led me to some black/white terminal |
| 03:49.19 | abrotman | and the stapler? |
| 03:49.26 | sanjuro | does anyone know what keys caused that? and what that is? |
| 03:49.41 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f# ? |
| 03:49.47 | abrotman | it's called .. console |
| 03:49.57 | Status | thats just an advice on how to get him to get a switch being that he's 16 and probably can't afford it... |
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| 03:50.03 | Status | ;] |
| 03:50.19 | vipersniper | abrotman, it would not let me delete the /run directory, but i could mv the /run directory and recreate the /run/ifstate file and load the eth3:1 eth3:2 eth3:3 |
| 03:50.33 | vipersniper | im so happy |
| 03:51.01 | Status | it sucks when u need something that would make ur life so much easier..and u're spending tons of time trying to go around a problem..while creating/keeping another |
| 03:51.08 | Lemens-TS | if im in putty in a screen session with something running in it, how can i exit out of it while leaving it running (without simply closing putty) |
| 03:51.21 | PhrkOnLsh | I am sick of this. |
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| 03:51.33 | abrotman | Lemens-TS: ctrl-a d |
| 03:51.40 | abrotman | Lemens-TS: screen has a man page |
| 03:52.20 | vipersniper | push the ctrl+a the push d key |
| 03:52.46 | Status | terminator time.. |
| 03:52.47 | PhrkOnLsh | damn this makes no sense... wifi is associated... but 192.168.0.100 doesn't respond to ssh |
| 03:53.05 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, well, here we go |
| 03:53.14 | PhrkOnLsh | pcap_open_live(eth0, 100, 0, 200) FAILED. Reported error: bind: Network is down. Will wait 5 seconds then retry. |
| 03:54.01 | pickcoder | iwconfig shows the link to be active? |
| 03:54.07 | PhrkOnLsh | pickcoder: yeah. |
| 03:54.10 | PhrkOnLsh | on both ends. |
| 03:54.16 | pickcoder | route? |
| 03:54.35 | onetinsoldier | pickcoder: don't know if you've been in on this.. but he's using 'sid'. just an fyi |
| 03:55.03 | pickcoder | I just joined |
| 03:55.10 | onetinsoldier | roger that |
| 03:55.45 | PhrkOnLsh | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 03:56.02 | PhrkOnLsh | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 03:56.12 | PhrkOnLsh | dunno wht that command does :3 |
| 03:56.23 | PhrkOnLsh | that's on the laptop |
| 03:56.28 | PhrkOnLsh | not connected to server atm |
| 03:56.30 | onetinsoldier | whos origin, hops.. etc |
| 03:56.41 | onetinsoldier | shows origin, hops.. etc |
| 03:57.17 | PhrkOnLsh | traceroute? |
| 03:58.27 | onetinsoldier | route can do a lot more tho... it's an intense command |
| 03:58.49 | PhrkOnLsh | ah |
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| 03:59.05 | pickcoder | PhrkOnLsh: can you ping the wireless AP IP? |
| 03:59.22 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah |
| 03:59.31 | pickcoder | then the AP is not routing. it's not Debian |
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| 03:59.52 | pickcoder | is the WAN port connected? |
| 03:59.52 | PhrkOnLsh | pickcoder: yeah, it's a dlink. |
| 04:00.12 | PhrkOnLsh | wait, you mean the WAN IP or the local ip? |
| 04:00.37 | pickcoder | if you can ping the wireless IP for the AP then your network is setup on Debian |
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| 04:01.53 | Bangers | I have a java proces using VIRT 2308m and RES 416m in top. Does this mean it's using 2.3 GB of virtual memory? |
| 04:02.02 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: have you checked out iptraf yet? i'm not sure how much insight/help it'd give you.. but i think it's a very cool util |
| 04:02.10 | Bangers | OR is it trying to use 2.7GB,but the OS is forcing it to virtual |
| 04:02.29 | PhrkOnLsh | onetinsoldier: not yet, since I can't even get into via ssh ;( |
| 04:02.41 | abrotman | guesses someone ported gecko to java ... |
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| 04:02.51 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: are you not on a linux system right now? |
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| 04:03.28 | onetinsoldier | that has net access? |
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| 04:04.31 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah, and yeah |
| 04:04.44 | onetinsoldier | ok... |
| 04:04.48 | PhrkOnLsh | but can't connect to the server via wifi, only crossoever |
| 04:05.04 | Sebo | hi!! Anyone knows where can I get rlm_eap_tls.so library?? It is needed by freeradius to be used to WiFi authentification ;] |
| 04:05.23 | abrotman | Sebo: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:05.36 | onetinsoldier | PhrkOnLsh: my question is can you apt-get install anyting on the system you're on right now? |
| 04:05.45 | PhrkOnLsh | onetinsoldier: yes. |
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| 04:06.48 | onetinsoldier | ok, copy.. well, check out iptraf if you get the chance... on the system you are currently on |
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| 04:07.25 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
| 04:07.28 | mns | Anyone using tsclient for vnc and rdp know how to get it to pass the -Shared option to vncviewer ? |
| 04:07.29 | Sebo | dpkg has not e clue for rlm_eap_tls.so ;] |
| 04:07.29 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Sebo |
| 04:08.20 | enouf | Bangers: iinm, the 2.7G is the amount the kernel allocated for the process (basically), but see http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ for much more info about deciphering those fields |
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| 04:10.58 | Bangers | enouf: thanks |
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| 04:13.06 | abrotman | man top also discusses |
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| 04:14.27 | enouf | but you never get to the 'meminfo' that way ;-) |
| 04:14.34 | enouf | er +utility |
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| 04:25.12 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 04:25.36 | tengulre | how to running a command to select source list location? |
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| 04:29.25 | liable | !apt-spy |
| 04:29.26 | dpkg | apt-spy is probably a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 04:30.10 | CrippsFX | is there a list somewhere of feature requests for the debian project? I can find the bug-lists, but bugs are not what I'm looking for ;) |
| 04:31.14 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: there's no difference |
| 04:31.29 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: a feature request is also a bug |
| 04:32.03 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, some would argue that point ... but if the feature requests are also filed as bugs, I'll look. |
| 04:32.11 | dondelelcaro | (though usually one at wishlist or minor severity) |
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| 04:33.25 | onetinsoldier | i am still pretty rusty with linux. i forget how to put in a command and have the output go into a log file while also having the output show on stdout |
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| 04:34.47 | CrippsFX | onetinsoldier, tried running a "script" session? |
| 04:34.55 | onetinsoldier | no |
| 04:35.21 | CrippsFX | onetinsoldier, saves a session into a typescript file, allowing you to see the output while you're working. |
| 04:35.56 | CrippsFX | onetinsoldier, sorry, that's not what you were asking. *duh* |
| 04:35.59 | dondelelcaro | onetinsoldier: tee |
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| 04:36.23 | onetinsoldier | i was just looiking for the the bash parameters.. tee will work though, thanks |
| 04:37.04 | onetinsoldier | or perhaps i should have said syntax |
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| 04:37.41 | Nom- | Howdy All. I'm a little lost... i'm trying to find out how to create a skeleton debian package so I can manually put in everything I want... it's not based on any existing software setup :) |
| 04:38.08 | onetinsoldier | Nom- the debhelper package? |
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| 04:39.28 | linux2 | anyone here been able to use the GD library with PHP in etch? I haven't been having any luck getting it to work. |
| 04:39.38 | averule | vice chat how to enable in empathy? |
| 04:39.43 | averule | voice |
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| 04:41.31 | onetinsoldier | Nom-: the debhelper package? |
| 04:42.00 | xbj_A21m | can anyone help me change the volume labels in the sidebar of pcmanfm? |
| 04:42.03 | onetinsoldier | Nom-: might be what you're looking for, not sure |
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| 04:44.59 | CrippsFX | hm ... I think it would be a good idea for the installer to install a minimum kernel, and install modules appropriate to the hardware that is probed at install time ... that would be hella neat ... integrating that sort of system into upgrades et al (using the DKMS) would also be freaking neat. |
| 04:45.32 | CrippsFX | ... although, for the upgrades to work, DKMS actually has to be working. |
| 04:45.45 | CrippsFX | is pondering SoC |
| 04:46.37 | laplata | Hello! My question might be easy for you, but I've looked all over the net and got nothing... I've 3 IP's available for me: 10.10.10.3 (150/300kbit), 10.10.10.7 (150/300kbit) and 10.10.10.60 (300/600kbit). Gateway is 10.10.10.1. Each of IP's has assigned an amount of bandwidth. I've only one real wifi card (wlan0) and I created two aliases, so: wlan0 has 10.10.10.3, wlan0:0 has 10.10.10.7 and wlan0:1 has 10.10.10.60. How do I do load balancing |
| 04:46.37 | laplata | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.42 | CrippsFX | anybody, anybody? voodo economics? |
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| 04:49.58 | Nom- | onetinsoldier: Ya, I had a look... it doesn't seem to have any scripts for creating a package... just for building one |
| 04:50.44 | enouf | Nom-: /msg dpkg equivs (perhaps) |
| 04:50.44 | CrippsFX | Nom-, sorry, what exactly do you mean "create a skeleton debian package?" |
| 04:51.02 | Nom- | As in, it's not based around any piece of software |
| 04:51.13 | Nom- | I just want a completely blank package (we build server configs as debian packages) |
| 04:51.21 | CrippsFX | lh, interesting. |
| 04:51.29 | CrippsFX | $s/lh/oh/ |
| 04:51.42 | Nom- | We normally use a skeleton which we have here, but I need to refresh that and do things differently than it does atm |
| 04:52.10 | CrippsFX | %s/$s\/lh\/oh/\%s\/lh\/oh/ |
| 04:52.31 | Nom- | So I suppose I was just after like the sample / skeleton debian/changelog rules etc |
| 04:52.32 | onetinsoldier | Nom-: ok... there are script packages available. but i'm not sure about a package that contains a skeleton or framework. i'm not a developer by any means tho, just a user |
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| 04:53.29 | CrippsFX | Nom-, you *should* be able to still *build* a package even if you don't have a program per se ... |
| 04:53.40 | onetinsoldier | Nom-: devscripts is a scripts package... scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier |
| 04:54.05 | CrippsFX | onetinsoldier, packagers aren't necessarily developers either ;) |
| 04:54.15 | onetinsoldier | Nom-: dh-consoledata - debhelper-based script to help packaging console data files |
| 04:54.33 | onetinsoldier | CrippsFX: oh? hehe, roger that |
| 04:54.43 | CrippsFX | :) |
| 04:56.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, xchat via x11vnc...who'd have thought that would work so well |
| 04:56.39 | onetinsoldier | CrippsFX: i'm not exactly sure what you were on about earlier, but did you know that the lenny installer will install just the modules needed for your $arch if you so choose? |
| 04:57.03 | CrippsFX | onetinsoldier, I'm thinking of something a bit more minimalistic than that ... say, have the default kernel be something containing *only* the scheduler and process manager, maybe a basic serial driver, and then have the rest of the modules installed dynamically as the results of hardware probing. |
| 04:57.09 | onetinsoldier | or perhaps i should say for your hardware... i had the option of installing just what was needed for my system... ot installing 'all' |
| 04:57.28 | onetinsoldier | CrippsFX: i see |
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| 04:57.33 | CrippsFX | onetinsoldier, ahh, but at install time installing basic is still installing far more than you need ;) |
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| 04:58.00 | onetinsoldier | CrippsFX: yes, a lot more. i custom compile my own kernels |
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| 04:58.06 | CrippsFX | I suppose, among other things, that would make it easier to use a standard installer to put debian on an embedded target, or old PC |
| 04:58.12 | darrh00 | Debian on my desktop boots really slow,so I followed BootProcessSpeedup on debian wiki, installed and configured readahead,insserv and removed unnessary services,but it still takes about 40 seconds to boot into gdm.I resort to bootchart to figure out why it takes so long. I found that it takes 10 seconds or so to check root / which is reiserfs in my case, is it safe to disable fsck rootfs by changing the sixth field in /etc/fstab to 0? |
| 04:58.17 | CrippsFX | onetinsoldier, I usually don't, because I'm lazy :P |
| 04:58.29 | mu-dev | onetinsoldier: you mean the kernel modules? |
| 04:58.49 | onetinsoldier | CrippsFX: i hear ya. i like doing it. i learn a lot from doing it and i enjoy it |
| 04:58.56 | mu-dev | oh, make-kpkg --initrd is godlike |
| 04:59.16 | CrippsFX | darrh00, http://www.initng.org/ ... there is a debian package available somewhere, |
| 04:59.40 | CrippsFX | mu-dev, I've never used that before. |
| 04:59.53 | onetinsoldier | i've got one compiling right now.. but there's been some problem with make-kpkg making the modules package.. so now i'm logging the output to see what the error is |
| 05:00.30 | mu-dev | perhaps you don't need to if you are using a debian-supplied kernel and it's working for you |
| 05:00.38 | CrippsFX | mu-dev, what exactly does it do ... where by "exactly" I mean "roughly" :P |
| 05:00.48 | CrippsFX | yeah, I am, and it is :) |
| 05:00.58 | mu-dev | and by cripps you mean bloooods? |
| 05:01.17 | CrippsFX | I'm sure I'm not getting everything I could be squeezing out of my hardware though. |
| 05:01.23 | CrippsFX | Cripps is actually my last name. |
| 05:01.33 | mu-dev | oh ok :) |
| 05:01.55 | Sebo | How can I get the list of files included in the *.deb package?? |
| 05:02.00 | onetinsoldier | mu-dev: i don't need to.. no. but i sure like to. i leanr a lot about what the heck the kernel is all about. if there's a problem/error message then a lot of times i know what part of the kernel it came from.. is one example of why i like compiling my own. |
| 05:02.10 | onetinsoldier | Sebo: dpkg -L <pkg_name> |
| 05:02.19 | Sebo | thx :) |
| 05:02.20 | CrippsFX | Sebo, man dpkg ? |
| 05:02.32 | CrippsFX | damn ... beat me to the punch. |
| 05:02.36 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 05:03.39 | mu-dev | so the usual way to build a kernel outside of debian involves running make zImage, which produces a kernel which you copy somewhere by hand, and also run make modules-install which builds and copies the modules to the right place |
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| 05:04.01 | mu-dev | what make-kpkg does, is all that, then write out a debian package containing all that |
| 05:04.14 | mu-dev | with me so far? |
| 05:04.35 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg saves a lot of time and hassle i never leave home without it |
| 05:04.38 | CrippsFX | mu-dev, oops ... and --initrd makes an initial ram disk for loading the rest of the kernel. |
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| 05:04.46 | CrippsFX | gah, i'm slow today. |
| 05:04.48 | mu-dev | sortof |
| 05:05.04 | CrippsFX | I read that as --init.rc |
| 05:05.24 | CrippsFX | and I was thinking "what do the rc files have to do with the kernel?" |
| 05:05.56 | CrippsFX | *should* be wearing his glasses |
| 05:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | or get some sleep.. |
| 05:06.30 | mu-dev | what --initrd actually does is adds infrastructure to the debian package, so that when it's installed on some machine, it figures out what modules are needed at boot, writes just those modules to an initrd image, so that when it's all booted it's able to mount / |
| 05:07.49 | CrippsFX | I see. |
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| 05:08.10 | mu-dev | so then if you want you can install the same package on several machines that are different about their disk arrangement and it will build an initrd custom for each one |
| 05:08.14 | CrippsFX | I'd forgotten that extra modules were req'd to mount a filesystem. |
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| 05:08.33 | Dwade09 | what is a file named exim4 ? |
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| 05:08.42 | Dwade09 | it is red, lined through ssh |
| 05:08.49 | mu-dev | the disk block device driver and the filesystem driver |
| 05:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. did anyone get lots of "rtc: lost 1 interrupts" messages in dmesg? |
| 05:09.07 | Dwade09 | it is in /usr/sbin |
| 05:09.15 | mu-dev | Dwade09: it's named exim4... and... it;s a file! |
| 05:09.26 | CrippsFX | mu-dev, I'm currently working on QNX 6.4, and the boot approach is *similar*, but it had never occured to me that way. |
| 05:09.30 | pickcoder | exim4 is a mail transfer agent |
| 05:09.39 | onetinsoldier | Dwade09: exim4 retrieves e-mail from a mail server |
| 05:09.42 | pickcoder | aka SMTP server |
| 05:09.51 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, sleep wouldn't be a bad idea. |
| 05:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... good reaction time again ;)9 |
| 05:10.29 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, point, and case. ;) |
| 05:10.32 | mu-dev | a file as a named sequence of bytes stored on a disk... |
| 05:10.47 | Dwade09 | ah ok thanks mu-dev and pickcoder and onetinsoldier |
| 05:11.13 | mu-dev | Dwade09: I've been messin wit ya :) |
| 05:11.16 | CrippsFX | mu-dev, because for some embedded systems we don't even have secondary storage for some targets, so the ifs (image file system) contains everything needed to do any work for some boards. |
| 05:11.18 | Dwade09 | would it be bad if i deleted it? just curious as i would not. |
| 05:11.30 | pickcoder | Dwade09: you need a local mail app of somekind |
| 05:11.46 | mu-dev | the thing is if you delete it, then you're going to confuse dpkg |
| 05:11.48 | pickcoder | if you don't need smtp you can install nullmailer or something similar for root to use |
| 05:12.21 | pickcoder | the system in general depends on a local mail delivery app |
| 05:12.22 | roe_ | I have a lenny server, and the load is all of a sudden running away, about to pass 10 |
| 05:12.35 | onetinsoldier | Dwade09: it's not an absoluted critical/need package. to delete it you would use the dpkg command.. like so... dpkg --purge exim4 |
| 05:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | top? |
| 05:12.37 | roe_ | cpu is idle, IO blocking? |
| 05:12.40 | roe_ | aye |
| 05:12.46 | onetinsoldier | absolutely* |
| 05:12.49 | mu-dev | roe: look at top |
| 05:12.53 | roe_ | I am |
| 05:13.06 | Dwade09 | ah ok thanks everyone. |
| 05:13.19 | mu-dev | btw, top is itself no slouch in taking up cpu |
| 05:13.33 | roe_ | yes, top is the only thing currently using cpu |
| 05:13.35 | CrippsFX | heh, has anyone seen brian cantrill's google presentation on DTrace? |
| 05:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, not fully true... a) use apt-get to remove, b) 9you need an MTA (except when you know what you'r3e doing) |
| 05:13.37 | mu-dev | so what's at the top? |
| 05:13.44 | CrippsFX | mu-dev, top |
| 05:13.46 | Dwade09 | thanks everyone. |
| 05:13.48 | mu-dev | top is at the top |
| 05:13.53 | roe_ | top |
| 05:13.55 | CrippsFX | usually is. |
| 05:13.56 | mu-dev | alllllrighteythen ;) |
| 05:14.01 | CrippsFX | :P |
| 05:14.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe_, look at the summary above the processes... |
| 05:14.30 | CrippsFX | he mentions top being on top .... multiple times. Top is the problem ... top is always the problem ;) |
| 05:14.33 | roe_ | got it |
| 05:14.39 | roe_ | a drive just failed in my raid |
| 05:14.42 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-get remove.... dpkg -r or dpkg --purge... whatever you prefer. there's almost always more than one way to skin a cat in debian/linux |
| 05:14.43 | mu-dev | what's near the top? |
| 05:14.44 | Dwade09 | btw mu-dev or onetinsoldier or pickcoder do any you three know stuff about ssh? |
| 05:14.46 | mu-dev | oh |
| 05:14.49 | mu-dev | ok, n,m |
| 05:15.13 | mu-dev | ssh is a file named ssh! |
| 05:15.23 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, a file being red is related to your shell settings, I don't know what in particular though. |
| 05:15.33 | Dwade09 | no no files. |
| 05:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, yes, but apt will tell you about/remove packages that depend on the one you'3re removing - while dpkg will leave him with broken dependencies |
| 05:15.38 | Dwade09 | just ssh it self |
| 05:15.39 | mu-dev | does that qualify as stuff to know about ssh? |
| 05:15.45 | CrippsFX | wait ... red and underlined ... that might be a broken link ... Dwade09 run "ls -l" |
| 05:15.47 | pickcoder | md raid will consume a decement amount of CPU to keep the array alive |
| 05:16.11 | onetinsoldier | Dwade09: nope. i've never used ssh before. it's widely used tho, so i'm sure you can get help with it |
| 05:16.11 | mu-dev | moreorless, sure |
| 05:16.11 | pickcoder | decent |
| 05:16.24 | mu-dev | ssh is like telnet only encrypted one way or another |
| 05:16.28 | CrippsFX | loves ssh |
| 05:16.34 | CrippsFX | I use it all the time. |
| 05:16.40 | Dwade09 | CrippsFX, thanks. |
| 05:16.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | "does anyone know something about ls" |
| 05:16.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 05:17.03 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, does it show up as a broken symlink using ls -l ? |
| 05:17.13 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry, you're SOL here. |
| 05:17.30 | Dwade09 | CrippsFX, that shows how much i have |
| 05:17.33 | Dwade09 | hdd space |
| 05:17.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrippsFX, sausage inna bun? |
| 05:18.10 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry.. that's not correct. try it |
| 05:18.14 | pickcoder | Dwade09: huh? |
| 05:18.17 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, okay, you wanted to know what a red, underlined file was in your ssh shell? |
| 05:18.20 | mu-dev | you gotta get rid of that windows thing |
| 05:18.20 | Dwade09 | CrippsFX, all i know to do in ssh is cd , ls and cp and rm -r and nano and rewrite things, and eject the cd drive lol |
| 05:18.23 | CrippsFX | onetinsoldier, lol |
| 05:18.35 | mns | cd |
| 05:18.38 | mu-dev | all it does is take up space and cost you money |
| 05:18.44 | mns | oops wrong window .. damned OLWM . |
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| 05:18.53 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: i just tired something to make sure.... i have 'links' installed.. i tried... dpkg -r libssl0.9.8 |
| 05:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, in how far? |
| 05:19.00 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, well, ssh is just a remote shell, you can do anything using ssh that you could in a terminal on a local machine. |
| 05:19.03 | Dwade09 | CrippsFX, yes why is it red |
| 05:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, and dpkg refuses?ß |
| 05:19.18 | pickcoder | ssh = secure shell |
| 05:19.28 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, if you run "ls -l /path/to/file/filename.ext" what is the output? |
| 05:19.30 | pickcoder | but it can also be used as a tunnel |
| 05:19.30 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: with that.. i got all kinds of 'depends' reasons as to why it would not remove libssl0.9.8 |
| 05:19.30 | mu-dev | Dwade09: boken link |
| 05:19.48 | CrippsFX | mu-dev, usually, but maybe not. |
| 05:20.00 | Dwade09 | paste here? |
| 05:20.04 | mu-dev | true, if he's changed his ls colors |
| 05:20.05 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: becuase i have a lot more stuff that depends on libssl0.9.8 than just link, of course |
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| 05:20.14 | mu-dev | no, use a pastebion |
| 05:20.17 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, it should only be one line, if so, yes. |
| 05:20.28 | mu-dev | oh, ok |
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| 05:20.31 | Dwade09 | CrippsFX, -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 688128 2007-01-20 04:46 /usr/sbin/exim4 |
| 05:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, ok... true :) still I think apt-get (or aptitude) is the better choice even for removing... usually |
| 05:20.48 | mu-dev | hmm, that doesn't look like a link :) |
| 05:20.49 | Dwade09 | and /usr/sbin/exim4 is red |
| 05:21.07 | mu-dev | orange? |
| 05:21.13 | CrippsFX | hm. I would've thought it would do /usr/sbin/exim4 -> |
| 05:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, after all, apt-get could still remove libssl... just need to remove 700 more packages ;) |
| 05:21.14 | Dwade09 | oh and i know ho wto download things through ssh via sudo wget link |
| 05:21.18 | enouf | echo $LS_COLORS :-p |
| 05:21.42 | Dwade09 | mu-dev, red on me. |
| 05:21.52 | enouf | Dwade09: you shouldn't try to remove your system MTA |
| 05:22.10 | Dwade09 | on local or ssh ? |
| 05:22.17 | mu-dev | the file is busy probably |
| 05:22.27 | pickcoder | that's a huge link |
| 05:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's suid-root |
| 05:22.31 | CrippsFX | shrugs |
| 05:22.38 | mu-dev | not a link at all |
| 05:22.46 | CrippsFX | suid root would explain it. |
| 05:22.49 | pickcoder | exactly my point |
| 05:22.49 | Dwade09 | i seen white ones as well. in that folder |
| 05:22.50 | mu-dev | I thought it was when he said red |
| 05:23.00 | CrippsFX | all bright and red screaming "use a debugger on me!!!" |
| 05:23.03 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: yes.. you are correct! |
| 05:23.11 | CrippsFX | ;) |
| 05:23.23 | enouf | Dwade09: if you're dealing with an embedded or otherwise needy thingamabob, there are ways to remove certain things and still have the stuff you want/need to work |
| 05:23.25 | pickcoder | doesn't use colors |
| 05:23.32 | CrippsFX | inserting code using gdb is fun. |
| 05:23.47 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah... apt-get remove is indeed excellent to take care of removing all the depends stuff |
| 05:23.48 | f00li5h | meow |
| 05:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dogs and cats don't use colors either... or cows |
| 05:23.52 | CrippsFX | enouf, I love the technical jargon :P |
| 05:24.09 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: you really need to stop talking to animals |
| 05:24.16 | Dwade09 | enouf, i do not really want to delete them, i was really wanting to know why that was red and others where green. like everything else. green with black background |
| 05:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, I don't... but what shall I do when they talk to me?ß |
| 05:24.36 | enouf | CrippsFX: nothing but kaduffaglazers here :-P |
| 05:24.41 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, that mostly has to do with your terminal settings. |
| 05:24.46 | CrippsFX | 0_o |
| 05:24.48 | enouf | Dwade09: i see |
| 05:24.49 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: film it and send me a copy |
| 05:25.04 | mu-dev | we need to teach whales, dolphins and gorillas how to be on irc |
| 05:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, send me a camera :) |
| 05:25.58 | Dwade09 | CrippsFX, what else is there i can do in terminal/ ssh wise or do i pretty much have it all down. also. i can surf the web via lynx in ssh. =D |
| 05:25.59 | mu-dev | send me a camera too... preferably a nikon :) |
| 05:26.29 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, there is no end to what you can do using ssh/terminal |
| 05:26.33 | Dwade09 | and check email. |
| 05:27.00 | pickcoder | it doesn't work too well as a teleportation tool |
| 05:27.02 | mu-dev | you can use it in a pip |
| 05:27.05 | mu-dev | e |
| 05:27.10 | Dwade09 | CrippsFX, i just know the basics, as everyday use in terminal with my own os. |
| 05:27.17 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, if you use it long enough, you will be comfortable enough with the terminal, that most of the stuff you do will be from one. |
| 05:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dwade09, like starting a vnc server so you can also see your graphical desktop remotely... but yeah, ppl are still working on teleportation, guess that'3s the limit |
| 05:27.49 | CrippsFX | always has yakuake going, and one "konsole" session with multiple tabs on each of his 6 virtual desktops |
| 05:28.04 | mu-dev | like you could do things on your own os like cat foo | grep wubba |
| 05:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, and you're just saying that so you don't have to teleport a camera to me |
| 05:28.15 | Dwade09 | hmm how do i open say a song and listen to it through ssh? |
| 05:28.16 | mu-dev | you could also do this: |
| 05:28.19 | CrippsFX | mu-dev, I've never tried that one! |
| 05:28.34 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, mpg321 foo.mp3 ? |
| 05:28.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dwade09, that doesn't work, because the sound comes from the remote machine |
| 05:28.46 | CrippsFX | I don't think that will stream over ssh though. |
| 05:28.49 | Dwade09 | mp3 yes.. |
| 05:28.59 | Dwade09 | shoot would be nice. |
| 05:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... except perhaps if you turn the loudness to the maximum and aren'3t too far away |
| 05:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 841] by debhelper |
| 05:29.25 | Dwade09 | i am 400+ miles away from the box. |
| 05:29.28 | mu-dev | cat foo | ssh mathstuff@my.dear.aunt.sally.com -c "grep wubba" |
| 05:29.31 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, one time I had a machine in the computer lab at my school with festival installed, and I made the computer talk to this priest while I was in class, it was hilarious. |
| 05:29.32 | Dwade09 | so yea would not work |
| 05:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well - actually there is sshfs... with that you could access the drive with mp3s and play them on your machine |
| 05:29.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sshfs |
| 05:29.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sshfs is a FUSE-based filesystem that uses ssh. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. (Don't confuse sshfs with shfs.) Sshfs is in the package sshfs. See http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html, http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq or ask me about <fuse>. (remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 05:30.28 | CrippsFX | he was really old (like ... in his 80s) |
| 05:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrippsFX, oh, festival - never really tried that - does it work reasonably well?ß |
| 05:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it hard to set up? |
| 05:31.10 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, if you like the MS sam type voice, sure. |
| 05:31.25 | CrippsFX | it's super easy to set up ... "apt-get install festival" |
| 05:31.30 | CrippsFX | ;) |
| 05:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's install, not set up... |
| 05:31.48 | mu-dev | did you have it say "I'm an enigma... a contradiction... devilishly angelic" |
| 05:31.50 | Dwade09 | CrippsFX, do you have a handy website to some stuff i can do in ssh. like how to install things and set them up via ssh.? |
| 05:31.51 | CrippsFX | what set up do you need? |
| 05:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | depending on package, there might be a hue difference... |
| 05:32.03 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, www.google.com |
| 05:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, never having used festival |
| 05:32.32 | Dwade09 | knew youd say that one. |
| 05:32.37 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, I just always used the CLI to make it speak, I never *actually* used it (like screen reading). |
| 05:32.47 | CrippsFX | Dwade09, there's also www.tldp.org |
| 05:32.50 | mu-dev | Dwade09: generally debian uses ftp or http to download packages to install |
| 05:32.55 | kingsley | Does version 4 of the "exim" MTA come with a utility that converts configuration files from version 3? |
| 05:33.22 | Dwade09 | mu-dev, yea i found that out lol. as i am in mac os x |
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| 05:33.59 | Dwade09 | kingsley, me? |
| 05:34.15 | enouf | kingsley: IIRC, i think there's something done upon installation/debconf ... i forget though |
| 05:34.20 | mu-dev | well it would be good for you to learn some basic unix command |
| 05:34.21 | mu-dev | s |
| 05:34.31 | enouf | !mpd |
| 05:34.32 | dpkg | [mpd] multiple personality disorder or Music Player Daemon: http://www.musicpd.org, packaged in Debian as 'mpd'. FAQ: http://mpd.wikicities.com/wiki/FAQ #mpd on irc.freenode.net |
| 05:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, now how does one exit this vnc thing... |
| 05:35.56 | mu-dev | they'll work on your mac too |
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| 05:36.04 | Dwade09 | i do love irssi through terminal |
| 05:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I'll just ctrl-c the server... night |
| 05:36.45 | CrippsFX | g'night |
| 05:36.48 | Dwade09 | mu-dev, yes, but as soon as i get this thing paid for i am putting ubuntu hardy on it lol. |
| 05:37.07 | Dwade09 | nite. |
| 05:37.16 | CrippsFX | man, bitchX is the best CLI irc client ever. |
| 05:37.19 | Dwade09 | and thanks for your help CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:37.28 | enouf | Dwade09: you asked about songs over ssh? http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Security |
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| 05:39.23 | Dwade09 | thanks enouf and mu-dev and CrippsFX and CutMeOwnThroat i really enjoyed your wisdom and knowledge and will be back latter sometime to pick your brains some more. too bad i am not Kevin Mitnick |
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| 05:48.44 | PeterFA | How do I manage run levels in Debian Lenny? |
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| 05:55.01 | infinity2 | "ï": "\C-p\C-aæ " |
| 05:55.08 | infinity2 | anyone know why bind -s shows this? "ï": "\C-p\C-aæ " |
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| 05:55.27 | infinity2 | when my inputrc says: "\M-o": "\C-p\C-a\M-f " |
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| 06:06.41 | _anyone | bad charset? |
| 06:08.43 | infinity2 | _anyone: no idea |
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| 06:14.16 | CrippsFX | omg .... was that a gnu? |
| 06:15.14 | CrippsFX | PeterFA, /etc/rc#.d |
| 06:15.38 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to elicit debugging info from version 3 of exim? If so, how |
| 06:15.53 | kingsley | s/$/?/ |
| 06:16.04 | CrippsFX | you could compile it with -g |
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| 06:17.56 | CrippsFX | kingsley, there's a -dbg variant of the exim4 package, if you're using an older version of debian, you should be able to find the exim3-dbg package. |
| 06:17.56 | CrippsFX | %s\.$/using apt/ |
| 06:18.16 | CrippsFX | %s/\%s\\/%s\// |
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| 06:19.17 | CrippsFX | %s/\/\%s/\/\/\\\%s/ |
| 06:19.26 | CrippsFX | ... I think. |
| 06:20.12 | kingsley | CrippsFX: Do you happen to know if exim's "-d" option can specifiy how verbose the output sent to stderr is? |
| 06:20.31 | CaT[t3] | -v |
| 06:20.37 | CrippsFX | kingsley, no idea, I don't (knowingly) use exim. |
| 06:20.49 | CaT[t3] | kingsley: you can specify what you want debugged. |
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| 06:22.00 | oOarthurOo | Hi... supposedly quod libet supports ipods, but I can't get mine to work. I've checked the wiki and it says to make sure that the correct libraries and python bindings are installed, and I have done that. I've also installed everything that is included under "aptitude search quodlibet" |
| 06:22.39 | CrippsFX | how's this look for an SoC proposal? http://www.pastebin.ca/1266455 |
| 06:23.19 | vyrus001 | i have a problem, i cant install xorg due to dependancy problems, ive traced it back to perl, it wants a new version of perl but wont get it i think because it dosen't want to uninstall the current version of perl, how do i fix this? |
| 06:23.37 | CrippsFX | vyrus001, apt-get remove --purge perl* |
| 06:23.38 | kingsley | CaT[t3]: I like the way exim's man page says the "-v" option shows the SMTP dialogue. |
| 06:23.41 | vyrus001 | also etch 2.6.26 |
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| 06:24.11 | CrippsFX | vyrus001, that will remove everything perl related from your system ... which may or may not be a good thing. |
| 06:24.40 | vyrus001 | CrippsFX: ok now i cant install perl, the error i get from apt is "broken packages" |
| 06:24.48 | CrippsFX | vyrus001, you could also just run "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" and if there is a newer version of perl, it will be upgraded. |
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| 06:25.06 | CrippsFX | vyrus001, try my last tip |
| 06:25.39 | vyrus001 | did |
| 06:25.41 | vyrus001 | several times |
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| 06:25.48 | vyrus001 | even tried an dist-upgrade to see if that worked |
| 06:25.50 | CrippsFX | vyrus001, an "apt-get clean all" may also be in order (clears the package cache) |
| 06:25.55 | vyrus001 | nothing.... also its a brand new etch install |
| 06:25.59 | vyrus001 | hm yea that might be it |
| 06:26.01 | vyrus001 | tries |
| 06:26.31 | kingsley | CaT[t3]: I'd like to use it. Here's the big but. But, when I run exim at the command line as "$ /usr/lib/exim/exim3 -- -v" or "$ /usr/lib/exim/exim3 -- -d9 -v", and send test emails, no diagnostic info appears. Do you happen to have any suggestions for how to reveal the debugging info? |
| 06:27.15 | CrippsFX | kingsley, have you checked to see if maybe it's saved in a logfile in /var/log or somewhere? |
| 06:27.24 | vyrus001 | CrippsFX: yea its telling me that i have unmet dependancys when trying to remove --purge perl-base |
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| 06:28.06 | CrippsFX | vyrus001, so: "apt-get clean all; apt-get --fix-missing; apt-get install perl-base" |
| 06:28.12 | vyrus001 | did |
| 06:28.19 | vyrus001 | didnt work |
| 06:28.27 | vyrus001 | i get.. hang on while i type it |
| 06:29.00 | vyrus001 | svninit: PreDepends: initscripts but it is not going to be installed E: Broken Packages |
| 06:29.29 | CrippsFX | interesting. |
| 06:29.31 | vyrus001 | those are the "fallowing packages that have unmet dependancys" |
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| 06:29.42 | vyrus001 | wich frankly makes no sense esp since this is a new install of etch |
| 06:30.05 | CrippsFX | I would just upgrade to Lenny ;) |
| 06:30.18 | CrippsFX | oh ... wait ... I did. |
| 06:31.07 | vyrus001 | ghaha |
| 06:31.14 | vyrus001 | well i run sid but this is a friends box ;) |
| 06:31.22 | CrippsFX | yeah, I really don't know what to tell you now. Maybe fetch an older version of initscripts off of packages.debian.org |
| 06:31.27 | kingsley | CrippsFX: I just checked /var/log for exim's debugging output. I didn't find it. |
| 06:31.43 | CrippsFX | kingsley, just a thought. *shrugs* |
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| 06:32.24 | vyrus001 | CrippsFX: yep, working now... thnx |
| 06:32.28 | CrippsFX | enouf, you still around |
| 06:32.28 | vyrus001 | strange that it didnt work though |
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| 06:32.52 | CrippsFX | vyrus001, well, glad I could help, even if non of the *good* ways worked. |
| 06:33.04 | CrippsFX | %s/$/?/ |
| 06:33.32 | oOarthurOo | Hi, I am trying to get my ipod shuffle to be usable by quod libet. I've seen threads and such that suggest it is possible. I've checked with the quod libet wiki and confirmed all their troubleshooting. I'm no good with quod libet though, so I'm afraid I may be doing something wrong. |
| 06:33.43 | scorche | shakes his head at vyrus001 |
| 06:33.52 | CrippsFX | just uses amarok for his ipod |
| 06:34.32 | CrippsFX | gtk sucks ;) |
| 06:35.02 | vyrus001 | CrippsFX: meh, there are worse ways to fix a problem :D |
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| 06:39.13 | oOarthurOo | I wonder if Debian has disabled the ipod plugin on quod libet, for 'freedom' reasons? |
| 06:39.29 | oOarthurOo | Because I don't even see it as an option despite having installed the plugins package |
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| 06:43.11 | CrippsFX | oOarthurOo, libgpod is free software. It's GPL licensed |
| 06:43.53 | CrippsFX | oOarthurOo, and if you want to use your ipod, you will need libgpod |
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| 06:44.11 | oOarthurOo | CrippsFX: Yeah.. got that. |
| 06:44.16 | oOarthurOo | wel... libgpod3 |
| 06:44.28 | oOarthurOo | plain old libgpod isn't available in my Lenny repos |
| 06:44.31 | CrippsFX | for all intents and purposes, same thing. |
| 06:44.59 | oOarthurOo | I'm using gtkpod for the time being, but it's such a pain. |
| 06:45.15 | CrippsFX | yeah, don't use that crap ;) |
| 06:45.55 | CrippsFX | amarok is a very nice jukebox app, and has very slick ipod integration to boot. |
| 06:46.08 | CrippsFX | I would suggest it, strongly. |
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| 06:47.28 | oOarthurOo | Yeah... I'd consider exaile since it's a gtk based "clone" of amarok. But I was hoping to get ipod support in one of the more lightweight music managers. I found mpd too difficult to configure (I just want to add a library) so quod libet seemed like the best fit for me. Which is why I'm going to the trouble of getting ipod support on it working. I had RB installed, but it was causing huge interrupts on powertop |
| 06:48.03 | CrippsFX | RB == RockBox ? |
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| 06:48.12 | oOarthurOo | ah... sorry, Rhythmbox |
| 06:48.20 | CrippsFX | ah. Haven't used it. |
| 06:48.51 | CrippsFX | so you're looking for something lightweight to use with a low poer machine? |
| 06:48.59 | CrippsFX | %s/poer/power/ |
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| 06:49.04 | oOarthurOo | Maybe I oughta give exaile another shot. What upset me about it though was its too rapid release cycle. Every release they introduce new features and new bugs... I got sick of trying to stay on top of it. |
| 06:49.27 | CrippsFX | it's the best if you're a dev ;) |
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| 06:50.23 | oOarthurOo | Well... I wouldn't call it low-power. It's a duo-core with 1GB ram. But I'm crazy about fan noise because all I do on this machine is write and sometimes listen to music while I work. So I care more about CPU cycles than RAM. |
| 06:50.45 | CrippsFX | I see. |
| 06:51.05 | CrippsFX | what DE/WM are you using? |
| 06:51.08 | oOarthurOo | I'm a bit of a dick I think, and will probably end up going back to RB or exaile, once I beat my head against quod libet for a while. |
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| 06:52.12 | CrippsFX | if you're using gnome or kde, I might suggest you replace metacity/kwin (as the case may be) with openbox ... it's quite lightweight. |
| 06:52.15 | oOarthurOo | gnome. But... I built it up from scratch instaling as few dependencies as possible, I've removed all logging features and services as possible from the machine, run only in 2D mode, and undervolt. |
| 06:52.41 | Supaplex | openbox3 rawx :) |
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| 06:52.51 | CrippsFX | and look out for mixer-applet2, it's a hog/bitch |
| 06:52.55 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, agreed :) |
| 06:53.09 | oOarthurOo | Haven't dont that yet actually... I figured that was more of a RAM thing, which I've got about 850MB free at boot, so... not too concerend about. |
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| 06:53.42 | CrippsFX | mixer applet2 is an i/o hog, which means it also keeps your cpu busy. |
| 06:53.49 | CrippsFX | ... well, not *exactly* |
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| 06:54.40 | CrippsFX | oOarthurOo, you should actually be more worried about i/o crazy stuff than cpu-intensive stuff ... the i/o is what really slows down/heats up your machine. |
| 06:54.42 | Supaplex | !lart i/o hogs |
| 06:54.42 | dpkg | frags i/o hogs with his BFG9000 |
| 06:55.03 | oOarthurOo | Panel and gnome-power manager are big users too, I know, but I also can't afford to learn a completely new way of doing thing. A WM seems like a leap for me. I learned gnome and am comfortable with it. I tried XFCE and didn't find it easy enough. If you follow me. |
| 06:55.10 | Supaplex | conserve power, play one pr0n video at a time. |
| 06:55.45 | oOarthurOo | CrippsFX: IO... you mean disk activity? Would that affect fan usage? |
| 06:56.02 | CrippsFX | oOarthurOo, well, replacing metacity with openbox doesn't change much, just what's taking care of window decoration et al ... it's not that big of a change to feel, but it does make a fair performance diff. |
| 06:56.19 | CrippsFX | oOarthurOo, yes, disk activity will greatly affect fan usage. |
| 06:56.41 | CrippsFX | fan usage will also affect fan usage ;) |
| 06:57.07 | Supaplex | I ran dillo and openbox3 on a p133 laptop with 32mb of ram, and plenty of swap, without a whole lot of lag after everything was open. it still sucked with 32mb of ram, but it was tollerable :) |
| 06:57.23 | oOarthurOo | oh... wow. Good to know. I'll stop hdparm'ing -b 254 to my disk at boot with rc.local and switch back over to laptop mode. I'm affected by the laptop killing bug of bad hd manufacturing settings... so I'll have to try and find some sane ones with laptop-mode I guess. |
| 06:57.56 | oOarthurOo | Having that HD never stop spinning is probably a cause of higher temps for me... |
| 06:58.09 | CrippsFX | oOarthurOo, yeah, the less power it's using, the less heat it will be generating. |
| 06:58.17 | oOarthurOo | I'll also look into openbox. Thanks for the tips CrippsFX... |
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| 06:59.13 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, I've never used dillo. |
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| 06:59.35 | CrippsFX | when I've got a small system, I just use bitchx, tmsnc, and links2 -g ;) |
| 06:59.36 | Supaplex | it's like the openbox of gui www surfing. :p |
| 06:59.54 | Supaplex | irssi for me. :) |
| 07:00.10 | CrippsFX | I like bitchx ... because it has those snarky sayings. |
| 07:00.33 | CrippsFX | I wish links2 -g was around 6 years ago. |
| 07:00.49 | Supaplex | I have a regex to ignore those snarky quit messages. haha. |
| 07:00.57 | CrippsFX | I would have never started using a DM if it weren't for that. |
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| 07:01.10 | CrippsFX | haha ... god bless regular expressions |
| 07:01.38 | zzz | Hi! I' ve a debian system with lilo. How can i start it in single- user mode? |
| 07:01.44 | Supaplex | !single |
| 07:01.45 | dpkg | [single] <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care) |
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| 07:02.21 | Supaplex | question is, how do you interrupt lilo to override the default? :) |
| 07:02.32 | Supaplex | hasn't used lilo for booting for agez |
| 07:02.46 | CrippsFX | heh: [single] <single> what you will all be for the rest of your lives since you are geeks that spend all your time on irc. |
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| 07:03.10 | Supaplex | hey, I sleep to, and eat, and work. |
| 07:03.12 | CrippsFX | <3 grub |
| 07:03.25 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, me too ... but I'm on irc at work too ;) |
| 07:03.55 | CrippsFX | I should be sleeping ... it's 2 a.m. and I work in the morning. |
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| 07:04.12 | stoned | yeh |
| 07:04.24 | stoned | so you like what, work 5 to enjoy 2 |
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| 07:04.30 | stoned | like the rest of the slaves? |
| 07:04.45 | CrippsFX | I actually enjoy my work, so it's no problem. |
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| 07:04.46 | stoned | shittiest odds if ever... |
| 07:04.54 | CrippsFX | maybe I'll just sleep in and show up late. |
| 07:04.57 | stoned | you're a lucky man |
| 07:05.01 | stoned | CrippsFX, don't do that |
| 07:05.02 | CrippsFX | I know :) |
| 07:05.21 | CrippsFX | stoned, my boss doesn't care ... I never have to see any customers ;) |
| 07:05.31 | CrippsFX | oh, the benefits of being a kernel developer! |
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| 07:05.46 | stoned | I sit on my ass all day, lately I've been getting high again just for the fuck of it, at work, and no one gives a shit, I enjoy good death metal while I code |
| 07:05.55 | stoned | I do at work what I would do if I were to stay home |
| 07:06.12 | stoned | so it doesn't matter to me, the only part I don't like is leaving my house and/or travelling |
| 07:06.21 | CrippsFX | same ... except for the getting high. |
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| 07:07.32 | stoned | i told my CTO, look man, I can't sit here and code all day long without, c'mon man, you wan a productive employee, I'm tellin' you how you can get one... just leave me the fuck alone :) |
| 07:07.40 | stoned | he said whatever, he doesn't care |
| 07:07.52 | stoned | anyway , its 2am, I'm going to bed g'nite folks |
| 07:08.00 | CrippsFX | g'night stoned |
| 07:08.03 | CrippsFX | so ... is anybody interested in giving me constructive criticism on a SoC proposal? |
| 07:08.16 | Supaplex | system on a chip? |
| 07:08.22 | CrippsFX | (besides: wait until spring) |
| 07:08.26 | CrippsFX | no, Summer of Code |
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| 07:15.28 | bufferfish | does anyone know how to make a ram disk that can be formatted and mounted like any other block dev |
| 07:15.50 | bufferfish | i want to use it for temporary disk intensive stuff |
| 07:15.58 | bufferfish | <Sergonium> isnt that where disk cache is for < best answer i got out of #linux |
| 07:15.59 | bufferfish | shrugs |
| 07:17.18 | bufferfish | why does every tech tard always seem to be the type that tries to find excuses for getting out of doing any real work, always asking questions like 'why would you need to do that' or 'what are you really trying to do' |
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| 07:17.41 | bufferfish | </rant> |
| 07:18.06 | CrippsFX | bufferfish, you should be able to write a module that does that without *too* much effort. |
| 07:18.09 | beardy | The tard is you. |
| 07:18.24 | bufferfish | beardy: are you sure? |
| 07:18.26 | stoned | wow that woke me up out of bed and brought me back to irc |
| 07:18.30 | stoned | wtf is going on man |
| 07:18.32 | bufferfish | lol stoned |
| 07:18.37 | bufferfish | RAGE, thats what! |
| 07:18.44 | stoned | go vent elsewhere? |
| 07:19.03 | CrippsFX | stoned, does your irc read to you? |
| 07:19.14 | stoned | I'm blind, so yes |
| 07:19.23 | beardy | No, I'm not sure. But I know that asking "what are you trying to do" is valid in 95% of the cases. |
| 07:19.25 | CrippsFX | stoned, ah. I just learned something. |
| 07:19.29 | beardy | So yes, wtf is going on. |
| 07:19.33 | bufferfish | beardy: o rly |
| 07:19.38 | stoned | I whacked off too much in my youth |
| 07:19.39 | stoned | go figure |
| 07:19.41 | CrippsFX | bufferfish, yes, rly. |
| 07:20.02 | bufferfish | lol he thinks he 'knows' something, thats all i need to know |
| 07:20.04 | bufferfish | click |
| 07:20.12 | stoned | also, the questions are 110% legitimate |
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| 07:20.22 | CrippsFX | bufferfish, don't be insulted that you fall outside of the 95% ... happens to me all the time. |
| 07:20.24 | stoned | why, why, why!? |
| 07:20.55 | stoned | logically, if we are unable to understand what your goal is and the purpose behind it, we can't advise the best solution can we? |
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| 07:21.02 | bufferfish | if by fall outside of the 95 percentile you mean not being a sheep, then yes i understand |
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| 07:21.08 | stoned | if you don't want to answer questions, do not ask for support. |
| 07:21.19 | CrippsFX | and the really smart people realize that some people may actually know more than them. |
| 07:21.20 | bufferfish | lol stoned doesnt get it |
| 07:21.25 | stoned | its about the most ludicurous thing I've EVER heard |
| 07:21.42 | stoned | oh I get it alright, I just think its dumb as fuck. |
| 07:21.59 | bufferfish | i dont mind answering questions, what i mind is people always trying to get out of solving a given problem, the type that never seem to actually do anything |
| 07:22.00 | stoned | I don't have to agree with you to understand you... |
| 07:22.11 | bufferfish | but clearly you dont get it so you fall into that category, my words are lost on you |
| 07:22.17 | stoned | bufferfish, then ignore those people and instead talk to people worth talking to |
| 07:22.33 | bufferfish | lol are you giving me a command? |
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| 07:22.34 | bufferfish | epic fail |
| 07:22.35 | stoned | getting your panties in a knot is just well.. taxing on you really |
| 07:22.54 | stoned | if you want to stress yourself like a chic, go for it dude. |
| 07:22.58 | stoned | I'm going back to bed. |
| 07:23.01 | bufferfish | smoke another one and go back to sleep druggie |
| 07:23.03 | bufferfish | thats right |
| 07:23.25 | bufferfish | i'm being lectured on behavior by a pothead, go figure |
| 07:23.28 | CrippsFX | is astounded at the apparent lack of intelligence that just walked in here |
| 07:23.31 | stoned | btw, personal attacks come after wit's limit has been reached. |
| 07:23.39 | stoned | good night. :) |
| 07:23.43 | bufferfish | whatever makes you feel better |
| 07:23.45 | CrippsFX | g'night stoned |
| 07:23.46 | bufferfish | druggie... |
| 07:23.52 | stoned | it does, I can sleep soundly tonight |
| 07:23.58 | stoned | thanks for making me feel better dude |
| 07:24.03 | stoned | you are the man. |
| 07:24.17 | bufferfish | don't call me dude |
| 07:24.18 | beardy | Night stoned. |
| 07:24.24 | stoned | later bud |
| 07:24.27 | bufferfish | i'm not one of your heroin buddies lulz |
| 07:24.28 | stoned | *out* |
| 07:26.36 | CrippsFX | bufferfish, by falling outside of the 95%, I meant having a question that no one else has already tripped over before. |
| 07:26.58 | CrippsFX | i.e. not being one of the 95% that need to clarify what they mean. |
| 07:27.01 | bufferfish | well that no one has the answer i do not complain about |
| 07:27.24 | CrippsFX | bufferfish, but you complain about people trying to get a better understanding of what you want? |
| 07:27.26 | elijahwright | i'm trying to install fglrx-driver from non-free... and it is griping about wanting xserver-xorg >= 7.1.0. I have 7.4~4... what gives? |
| 07:27.37 | bufferfish | no cripps lol, just no |
| 07:27.41 | bufferfish | thats not what i complain about |
| 07:27.52 | CrippsFX | bufferfish, then explain, clearly. |
| 07:28.05 | CrippsFX | elijahwright, are you sure it's 7.1.0 it wants, or 7.10 ? |
| 07:28.37 | elijahwright | it says it wants 7.1.0 :-) it could be lying to me. of course, 7.4~4 is the very newest version out there... |
| 07:28.39 | bufferfish | you obviously just dont get it, what i complain about are people that try to find excuses to not solve the given problem and give me something else instead 'what are you really trying to do' 'why do you need to do that' |
| 07:28.41 | bufferfish | ^ being clear |
| 07:28.56 | elijahwright | 7.1.x appears to be from circa 2006. |
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| 07:29.22 | CrippsFX | elijahwright, interesting. what have you tried so far? |
| 07:29.29 | bufferfish | its like trying to build a car, oh what do you need that window for, heres some clear plastic instead, oh why do you need a gas engine, how about a steam engine instead |
| 07:29.31 | JyZyXEL | god damnit i can't get my bluetooth headset work on windows or linux |
| 07:29.32 | bufferfish | nothign would ever get done |
| 07:29.36 | JyZyXEL | what a piece of shit |
| 07:29.54 | elijahwright | building packages from source (various versions), manually installing random versions of the driver - they all puke on the same depends. |
| 07:29.56 | CrippsFX | bufferfish, legitimately there could be easier/better solutions than what you are trying to describe. |
| 07:29.58 | bufferfish | if that is not CLEAR to you then that tells me that you fall into the same mindset because you 'clearly' dont get it |
| 07:30.21 | bufferfish | what i want is a ram disk that i can format to whatever filesystem i want and use it as such |
| 07:30.50 | bufferfish | 'doesnt disk caching do that' no lol, always trying to get out of everything |
| 07:30.57 | CrippsFX | elijahwright, "apt-get clean all; apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg; apt-get install fglrx-driver" might fix it. |
| 07:31.10 | elijahwright | that's worth a try. i hadn't tried a clean all. |
| 07:31.10 | bufferfish | if a guy asks for a hammer, they dont want a screwdriver |
| 07:31.14 | bufferfish | they want what they asked for |
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| 07:31.33 | CrippsFX | bufferfish, in all fairness, the OS takes care of caching commonly used files to go easy on disk access, so, one of those "morons" from ##linux actually answered your question. |
| 07:31.38 | bufferfish | but you people never do anything except trying to do everything wrong, no real system woudl ever get built that way |
| 07:31.42 | bufferfish | ok im done listening to morons |
| 07:31.44 | bufferfish | kbai |
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| 07:31.57 | elijahwright | that was... interesting. |
| 07:32.13 | CrippsFX | yeah, he was quite ignorant, and had no clue, or desire to get one. |
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| 07:32.24 | elijahwright | CrippsFX: didn't work. ;) it was a good thought, though. |
| 07:32.44 | CrippsFX | elijahwright, well, the 90% solution still has a 10% failure rate ;) |
| 07:32.54 | elijahwright | [not sure what you would want a ramdisk for these days. folks have better approaches than that now... like memcached and kin.] |
| 07:32.55 | beardy | Just a fucktard or troll. Seemingly a combination. |
| 07:33.23 | CrippsFX | yeah, more fucktard than troll though ... seeing as he didn't stick around. |
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| 07:34.23 | CrippsFX | it's funny because he told us what he needed, but he didn't want the solution to what he needed. |
| 07:35.03 | beardy | Nope. Not that many have a desire to give any after that. Oh well. |
| 07:35.04 | joneal | My screen is too big |
| 07:35.21 | beardy | joneal: In X? |
| 07:35.27 | joneal | I'm using KDE |
| 07:35.37 | joneal | Its too big. Hard for me to read the text |
| 07:36.11 | joneal | I was running Gnome before. It was never this big |
| 07:36.31 | CrippsFX | joneal, increase your resolution. |
| 07:36.53 | joneal | 1280x1024 |
| 07:36.58 | beardy | joneal: Do you know if you have several resolutions configured? |
| 07:37.13 | CrippsFX | what (physical) size is your monitor>? |
| 07:37.14 | joneal | I have 1280x1024 |
| 07:37.33 | beardy | joneal: Ctrl-Alt-NumPad+ to switch. |
| 07:37.46 | beardy | joneal: Do you mean the letters are too big, or too small for you? |
| 07:38.16 | joneal | You mean, control alt and the + sign on the numpad? |
| 07:38.25 | beardy | joneal: Yes. |
| 07:38.30 | joneal | Its too big. I cant read the text |
| 07:38.38 | _stack | I'm in a chroot environment, I've tryed to dist-upgrade but had this error after install -f (to solve upgrade missing dependencies) http://rafb.net/p/re8Qaj41.html |
| 07:38.51 | joneal | my eyes are 20/20 so I can read it but it's difficult |
| 07:38.57 | CrippsFX | I wager that the resolution isn't what joneal thinks it is. |
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| 07:39.07 | joneal | its not working |
| 07:39.27 | joneal | I'll send a screenshot |
| 07:39.32 | CrippsFX | has to get up in just over 3 hours |
| 07:39.35 | beardy | Please do. |
| 07:39.38 | CrippsFX | I'm going to bed. |
| 07:39.43 | CrippsFX | g'night folks. |
| 07:39.47 | beardy | Good night CrippsFX. |
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| 07:41.22 | JyZyXEL | i just installed some sbc module and they were buggy so i removed them |
| 07:41.30 | JyZyXEL | now my bluetooth support is broken |
| 07:41.34 | JyZyXEL | how do i fix it? |
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| 07:41.50 | JyZyXEL | reinstall kernel modules or something? |
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| 07:42.41 | joneal | Ok here it is http://we6jbo.googlepages.com/screen.png |
| 07:42.47 | joneal | see its too small |
| 07:42.50 | joneal | or big |
| 07:43.05 | joneal | the text is too small but the screen is too big |
| 07:43.46 | beardy | Hmm. |
| 07:43.47 | JyZyXEL | hey how do i reinstall this shit? |
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| 07:44.18 | Botter | go search for ur bluetooth driver in google (: |
| 07:44.29 | JyZyXEL | dude i just broke the kernel |
| 07:44.38 | JyZyXEL | i need to fix it before i do anything |
| 07:44.51 | Botter | ok |
| 07:45.05 | JyZyXEL | do i apt-get reinstall linux-image? |
| 07:45.16 | JyZyXEL | and headers |
| 07:45.27 | JyZyXEL | and then reinstall also everything bluetooth |
| 07:45.32 | JyZyXEL | and bluez |
| 07:45.37 | beardy | joneal: The buttons, the K menu and so on, I'm sure can be resized, in KDE's control panel, or what they call it. Possibly by right-clicking and selecting Properties or simillar. |
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| 07:46.27 | joneal | even the Internet web browser is big |
| 07:46.42 | beardy | joneal: For the text size, I'm sure you can change the font in xchat, and/or in any other program. |
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| 07:47.53 | beardy | joneal: You use a big resolution, that is, you fit in many pixels in width and height in your screen, that makes it "big", and the text small. Either you size up the text, or lower the resolution, making everything have a different proportion. |
| 07:47.58 | JyZyXEL | !dpkg broken kernel |
| 07:48.21 | joneal | can I make the resolution smaller? |
| 07:48.27 | beardy | joneal: Yes. |
| 07:48.33 | beardy | !drxx joneal |
| 07:48.33 | dpkg | joneal: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 07:48.54 | joneal | ok |
| 07:49.03 | JyZyXEL | god damn ill just reinstall whole debian |
| 07:49.07 | beardy | joneal: By reconfiguring X, choosing another one. Stop X, reconfigure, and start X, to see how it looks. |
| 07:49.43 | MadMax` | cant install only the kernel image/(question!) |
| 07:49.50 | joneal | ok let me try this |
| 07:49.53 | beardy | joneal: If you choose multiple resolutions, you can switch between them like I said before, Ctrl-Alt-NumPadpluskey |
| 07:50.25 | joneal | numpad does not work |
| 07:50.51 | beardy | joneal: It only works if you have more than one resolution configured, so, not now. |
| 07:51.54 | Botter | does anyone play second life? |
| 07:52.10 | beardy | joneal: Switch to a terminal, Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6, login, stop X, '/etc/init.d/kdm stop', run what dpkg said above, then '/etc/init.d/kdm start' (assuming you run kdm as display manager). These things needs to be done by root. |
| 07:52.18 | joneal | I just ran it |
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| 07:53.51 | beardy | joneal: And how did it go? |
| 07:54.09 | joneal | well it went ok |
| 07:54.21 | joneal | and then I have to restart X |
| 07:54.28 | beardy | Yep. |
| 07:54.41 | JyZyXEL | !reinstall |
| 07:54.41 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 07:55.09 | _anyone | Botter: I don't |
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| 07:56.01 | beardy | joneal: So, I guess we'll see you in a minute, since you run xchat.. |
| 07:56.01 | joneal | is there an IRC program that I can run in case X does not start up? |
| 07:56.13 | JyZyXEL | what does aptitude reinstall '~i' do? |
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| 07:56.34 | beardy | joneal: Yes, irssi. In irssi-text (possibly the packagename is only "irssi" now. |
| 07:57.00 | beardy | joneal: Many people, including myself, run the client irssi, in screen, to have it available anywhere, and all the time. |
| 07:57.17 | joneal | I'll have to check that out |
| 07:57.28 | JyZyXEL | what does aptitude reinstall '~i' do? |
| 07:57.29 | Botter | is linux really that troublesome? |
| 07:57.30 | beardy | joneal: screen is in the package by the same name. |
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| 07:57.56 | joneal | Is screen a gui for irssi? |
| 07:58.05 | beardy | !screen |
| 07:58.05 | dpkg | screen is probably allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or "aptitude install screen" |
| 07:58.07 | beardy | No. |
| 07:58.10 | JyZyXEL | what does aptitude reinstall '~i' do? |
| 07:58.50 | DGnome | JyZyXEL: give it a rest before you get kickbanned |
| 07:58.59 | JyZyXEL | not gonna give it a rest |
| 07:59.13 | JyZyXEL | i want to fix my shit |
| 07:59.22 | beardy | joneal: It allows you to run several terminals, or programs, in one terminal, you can "detach" your screen session, and reattach it elsewhere, in a terminal in X, for example. |
| 07:59.26 | DGnome | Hope an oper is around ;) |
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| 08:00.59 | beardy | Atleast the name of Botter was honest. |
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| 08:04.41 | tazle | I wonder why python-mode depends on emacs21 in testing |
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| 08:05.29 | _stack | ok , dpkg --configure -a solved the problem |
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| 08:05.58 | _stack | the chroot environment was in the middle of a stopped-one-year-old-upgrade |
| 08:05.59 | _stack | :) |
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| 08:10.15 | JyZyXEL | oh cool new kernel for lenny has been release |
| 08:10.17 | JyZyXEL | !kernel |
| 08:10.43 | JyZyXEL | !kernels |
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| 08:11.59 | JyZyXEL | hmpf. -.- |
| 08:12.32 | _stack | where do I find good updated references on how to build and set up debian packages (I'm interested in how to separate libs to libs-dev and program in different .debs) |
| 08:12.33 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.27.7, prepatch: 2.6.28-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.28-rc6-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.9, prepatch: 2.4.37-rc2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 08:12.40 | JyZyXEL | hah laggy |
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| 08:13.13 | JyZyXEL | _stack there was a good video about that in google talk |
| 08:13.39 | beardy | !nm guide |
| 08:13.39 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 08:14.18 | _coredump_ | moinsen |
| 08:14.19 | xsdg | omg! nmq! |
| 08:14.22 | xsdg | :o) |
| 08:14.33 | xsdg | corenominal: morning |
| 08:14.38 | xsdg | err... _coredump_ :o) |
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| 08:17.42 | _stack | beardy: http://rafb.net/p/fymBQ369.html |
| 08:17.56 | _stack | is just what I'm searching for to do :) |
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| 08:18.44 | beardy | _stack: Do you master the creation of one? |
| 08:19.11 | _stack | I've created packages for a program |
| 08:19.20 | _stack | not master, but I can manage that |
| 08:20.14 | beardy | _stack: "/msg dpkg nmg" and "maint-guide", maybe something more useful there. |
| 08:20.49 | _stack | ok thanks I'll check |
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| 08:23.42 | joneal | this is better |
| 08:24.45 | beardy | joneal: Nice. |
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| 08:28.53 | verwilst | hi! |
| 08:29.06 | verwilst | would it be possible to approve the latest zabbix package for unstable? |
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| 08:29.29 | verwilst | it has 2 new subpackages which is why it's being held for approval |
| 08:29.35 | verwilst | but it's been 2 weeks or so.. :) |
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| 08:31.07 | Nach | Is SSH broken in repositories at the moment? |
| 08:31.38 | JyZyXEL | looks like dpkg's reinstall feature is really bad idea |
| 08:32.32 | JyZyXEL | i wonder why !reinstall gives such a bad command that is almost certainly gonna lead to a destoyed system |
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| 08:33.48 | jerryeguru | is dansguardian capable of restricting instant messaging |
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| 08:40.36 | braveheart_m2 | hello.. how to find file in debian? I want to find it anywhere in the machine |
| 08:41.51 | Nach | braveheart_m2: use locate |
| 08:43.14 | braveheart_m2 | the filename extension is .iso. I tried locate *.iso but I won't show up |
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| 08:43.53 | cjns3274 | where can I download official Lenny via bittorrent? |
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| 08:45.09 | lodder_ | Hi, can the boot partition be moved to a other partition on a other disk, and is it possible to move a root partition to a lvm ? |
| 08:46.44 | _stack | lodder_: for the root partition on lvm you need an initrd image, because the lvm must be activated before booting...(launch vgchange ecc) |
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| 08:47.36 | SlayerXP | cjns3274: you can't, it doesn't exist. |
| 08:48.01 | SlayerXP | you can download a debian installer cd which'll give you lenny though |
| 08:48.19 | cjns3274 | SlayerXP: thanks .. that's why I couldn't find one :-) |
| 08:48.22 | lodder_ | _stack: I have default installation of debian |
| 08:48.29 | lodder_ | I guesse I have initrd image |
| 08:48.41 | cjns3274 | I'm looking for the netinst CD |
| 08:48.53 | _stack | yes you have lodder_ |
| 08:49.04 | lodder_ | _stack: can you help me migrate |
| 08:49.45 | _stack | no ask for a specific thing , how-to are on googles :) |
| 08:49.58 | _stack | sorry but I'm on other things |
| 08:50.03 | lodder_ | kl |
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| 08:54.55 | lodder_ | _stack: can you give any pointers becuase the internet has it only forcrypted and I don't need it |
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| 09:05.24 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 09:06.25 | gypsymauro | I need to know if there are packages installed from sid on a lenny installation (A collegue modified my sources.list and installed few packages) there is a way to discover which packages comes from sid? |
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| 09:11.51 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 09:12.29 | Ace2016 | anyone know any software that'll measure an angle on the screen, like using a protractor on paper, but i hate things touching my LCD, so the protractor is out of the question |
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| 09:13.07 | beardy | The GIMP has an angle tool. |
| 09:13.27 | JyZyXEL | what was it called when you install a package from unstable to testing? |
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| 09:15.14 | SlayerXP | JyZyXEL: "stupidity" |
| 09:16.12 | Ace2016 | lol |
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| 09:17.46 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 09:18.19 | JyZyXEL | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/bluetooth-alsa |
| 09:18.28 | JyZyXEL | apt can't find that o.O |
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| 09:18.50 | JyZyXEL | i have unstable sources |
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| 09:19.31 | JyZyXEL | oh its only for m68k :< |
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| 09:20.18 | JyZyXEL | http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothAlsa |
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| 09:20.30 | JyZyXEL | "bluetooth-alsa is currently available in lenny and sid only" |
| 09:20.40 | JyZyXEL | lol it's in neither of the those |
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| 09:22.57 | CaT[t3] | wdm fails. it doesn't set environment variables properly. back to xdm for me. |
| 09:23.51 | a-9 | Hello_World.deb |
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| 09:40.43 | icefusion11 | Bom dia a todos!!! |
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| 09:41.35 | Fulgore | yo |
| 09:41.37 | Fulgore | i have a litle question: how can i put a linux system into a samba domain please ? just by putting the name test.mydomaine.com into the network options ? |
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| 09:43.30 | boguh | hi, is it possible to download directorires with sftp? |
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| 09:43.49 | Fulgore | sftp is like ftp just securised ? |
| 09:43.59 | joltcan | Fulgore: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=samba+join+domain |
| 09:44.02 | Fulgore | check with your ftp client |
| 09:44.02 | beardy | No. |
| 09:44.10 | beardy | !sftp |
| 09:44.10 | dpkg | methinks sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp, the server is in the package openssh-server. For windows clients, see http://winscp.net/ or http://filezilla.sf.net/, or ask me about <scp><sshfs> |
| 09:44.34 | Fulgore | ahhaa n1 joeytwiddle |
| 09:44.36 | Fulgore | joltcan |
| 09:44.48 | Laurens0619 | !ssh |
| 09:44.48 | dpkg | hmm... ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 09:45.16 | Laurens0619 | !MacSSH |
| 09:45.26 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 09:45.26 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 09:45.28 | Fulgore | ok |
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| 09:46.25 | Fulgore | btw joltcan, i just want a linux servers joins our Samba domain |
| 09:46.33 | Fulgore | not active directory or link samba to AD .... |
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| 09:47.11 | m_dige | Hi guys. Somehow i screwed up some packages due to running low on disk space |
| 09:48.09 | m_dige | how do I manually remove a package ? dpkg, apt-get says I need to reinstall the package but that they can not find the package |
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| 09:49.56 | Fulgore | did you tried with the panel software ? |
| 09:50.03 | Fulgore | sometimes its better |
| 09:50.08 | Fulgore | dunno why ... |
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| 09:54.54 | alumno | hola |
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| 09:55.07 | alumno | q tl?? |
| 09:56.16 | alumno | estas ahÃ????????????????????????????? |
| 09:56.27 | themill | !es |
| 09:56.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:56.33 | SlayerXP | alumno: is your keyboard faulty? |
| 09:57.32 | alumno | what??? |
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| 09:57.44 | alumno_ | hi! |
| 09:58.00 | alumno_ | how are you? |
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| 09:58.40 | alumno | wehat do you say???!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:58.44 | themill | alumno, alumno_: please play elsewhere. This isn't a channel for idle chatter. |
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| 09:59.19 | gerard_ | somebody wants to release some textures under a license that is DFSG compatible but still allowing distribution without releasing the source. What license should I advice to him? Would MIT be alright, despite it talking about "Software"? |
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| 10:00.25 | tarzeau | gerard_: but we need the source? |
| 10:00.30 | tarzeau | gerard_: wait, what's the source for textures? |
| 10:00.32 | alumno | people i don t speak in english |
| 10:00.47 | tarzeau | gerard_: what kind of textures is it? can we see? |
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| 10:01.05 | OpenTokix | source to textures? |
| 10:01.14 | tarzeau | OpenTokix: yeah if they are rendered or something |
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| 10:01.28 | tarzeau | OpenTokix: there's also sources for images, for example in airstrike |
| 10:01.30 | gerard_ | tarzeau: I'm having a lengthy email conversation with Tristan from imageafter.com |
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| 10:01.36 | alumno | bye |
| 10:01.37 | tarzeau | OpenTokix: there's also sources for rendered music |
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| 10:01.44 | OpenTokix | tarzeau: yeah, true |
| 10:01.51 | tarzeau | OpenTokix: music files like mods or midis that can be edited by notes, not just a wavestream |
| 10:02.07 | OpenTokix | not like there is the layered pictures availible to the wallpapers |
| 10:02.08 | gerard_ | he is thinking about making the textures available for the open source community, but does not know what license to use |
| 10:02.09 | OpenTokix | afaik |
| 10:02.14 | tarzeau | gerard_: if you want i can point you to a free texture repo, as example and inspiration? |
| 10:02.23 | OpenTokix | I would release the pictures under creative commons |
| 10:02.31 | tarzeau | gerard_: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/ on the bottom there's a link to burningwell |
| 10:02.37 | SlackLnx | hi sirs :) |
| 10:02.39 | tarzeau | gerard_: and blender has got a free texture cd |
| 10:02.48 | gerard_ | heh, he already released some images as GPLv2+ for me, so that's not the problem |
| 10:03.11 | gerard_ | and burningwell does not have everything I need, but thanks anyway |
| 10:03.22 | tarzeau | true |
| 10:03.33 | tarzeau | gerard_: do you use sauerbraten.org or what do you texture stuff with? |
| 10:03.48 | tarzeau | gerard_: there's also some other public domain images available for example at flickr.com |
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| 10:04.13 | gerard_ | flickr is mostly CC-BY and CC-BY-SA |
| 10:04.40 | tarzeau | wikipedia wikicommons has some pd images |
| 10:04.44 | gerard_ | while we (the warzone resurrection project) decided to allow these licenses for now, the GPLv2+ would be much better |
| 10:04.52 | tarzeau | and google images, and that maps.google panoramio thing |
| 10:05.03 | tarzeau | but public domain should be fine too, no? |
| 10:05.05 | gerard_ | the problem is not in finding images, that just takes some time |
| 10:05.14 | tarzeau | also nasa and some other institutions like them have free images |
| 10:05.26 | gerard_ | I would like some advice on a DFSG compatible license for art and images |
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| 10:05.35 | CaT[t3] | and now my xdm looks less like arse i am happy. the thing was, by default, bigger than the eee screen |
| 10:05.42 | tarzeau | gerard_: did you check the debian page for licenses and the wiki.debian.org place for it? |
| 10:05.56 | tarzeau | gerard_: there's also #debian-licenses or so? and a mailinglist for it |
| 10:07.11 | gerard_ | there is the mailing list, but I was first looking for some quick responses here |
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| 10:08.00 | themill | There's #debian-legal on oftc |
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| 10:08.18 | efaistos | any good apache module to avoid DDos attacks ? |
| 10:08.26 | bono | hey any one use Xchat here? i would like to disable these quit and join messgae |
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| 10:08.57 | gerard_ | themill: thx, I'll check it out |
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| 10:10.26 | gerard_ | themill: nobody there.. |
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| 10:11.18 | themill | oh |
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| 10:14.49 | yalu_ | Hi, I am having problems on a Linux server which runs out of memory, and would like to install a monitoring tool that can graph/report the memory usage pf processes over time (eg in a graph) so I can see where the problem is. Does anyone know something like that? |
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| 10:15.39 | levander | Is there a command line utility that will tell me what libraries are currently being used on my system? |
| 10:15.56 | tarzeau | levander: you can run ps, then ldd on the binaries? |
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| 10:16.16 | levander | tarzeau: running ldd on every binary running sounds tedious |
| 10:16.27 | tarzeau | levander: i don't know anything else |
| 10:16.39 | levander | tarzeau: I may have to figure out how to write a script... |
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| 10:16.57 | tarzeau | levander: shouldn't be too hard |
| 10:17.12 | SpunkMeYeR | hi all.. |
| 10:17.25 | SpunkMeYeR | does anyone here ever try install NAV?? |
| 10:17.37 | SpunkMeYeR | NAV is short for Network Administration Visualized |
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| 10:18.43 | tarzeau | levander: ps -e | awk '{print $NF}' | sort -u | while read a; do ldd `which $a`; done |
| 10:18.47 | tarzeau | levander: well, more or less |
| 10:18.56 | tarzeau | levander: but why do you want that? |
| 10:19.16 | levander | I want to see if I'm using the mono libraries on my box right now. |
| 10:19.22 | tarzeau | yuck |
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| 10:21.18 | levander | why yuck? |
| 10:21.23 | levander | you don't like mono? |
| 10:21.31 | tarzeau | no, i hate mono |
| 10:23.53 | levander | I'm in a flame war right now with an Ars Technica writer who loves mono. That's what I'm looking into right now. My response to him: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/174096756/m/466004575931 |
| 10:25.49 | DGnome | yalu_: cacti is one, zabbix is another, cacti needs some custom scripts to get better memory graphing but those ar available on cacti forums... |
| 10:26.14 | oOarthurOo | Hate mono... I like that. I hate toast. |
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| 10:26.48 | DGnome | yalu_: zabbix is a completely other story |
| 10:26.58 | levander | oOarthurOo: They're saying in the flame war that all haters of Mono are just bigots who have no real reason for hating it. |
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| 10:27.21 | clusty | i pressed by mistake ctrl+d in a screen rather then ctrl+a d |
| 10:27.35 | clusty | i cannot reattach to it but the task is still running |
| 10:27.40 | clusty | clues whats going on? |
| 10:28.06 | oOarthurOo | levander: That's foolish. Even bigots have reasons. But look, you can't convince a white-supremecist that black people are pretty cool, so why try to convince mono haters that 'mono' is evil. |
| 10:28.06 | spitfirekdv | Hi all! I have a strange problem with ppptp in Debian. Windows client connect to server but receive the same gateway as his ip adress |
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| 10:28.27 | oOarthurOo | is *not* evil. My bad. |
| 10:28.45 | spitfirekdv | in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf set ifaddr 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.197 255.255.255.0 |
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| 10:29.43 | Eulex | is there some small fake headless x server I can run, to be able to run X applications on a headless machine (when I do not care about the graphical output of it)? |
| 10:29.56 | oOarthurOo | The argument has nothing to do with code, and everything to do with principles. You may as wel argue about gay rights with a christian fundamentalist. |
| 10:31.36 | amphi | levander: the discussion seems to be proceeding towards fulfilling Ashcroft's Corollary to Godwin's Law ;) |
| 10:31.44 | levander | oOarthurOo: Yeah, I know. That's why I called it a flame war. It's just petty bickering. But, the last two I ahd with that guy, it was pretty obvious I made him look bad. It's just fun. |
| 10:32.40 | levander | Plus, debating is the American way. Get the word out. Too many people voted for Obama based on the fact that he talks smooth. Getting to real issues is important. |
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| 10:33.14 | levander | Being able to call some guy I don't like an irresponsible journalist is just icing. |
| 10:33.19 | yalu_ | GNnome: thanks. there are so MANY monitoring tools that you can't find a right fit :) |
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| 10:35.43 | simonrvn | levander: being able to do so because he is irresponsible a human right. |
| 10:36.20 | levander | simonrvn: Yeah, I wouldn't have done it if I didn't believe it. |
| 10:36.31 | oOarthurOo | levander: Wow. Not only did you claim to 'win' a thread that I thought you came off looking foolish in, but you somehow managed to include the latest results for the American election. Nice. |
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| 10:37.03 | levander | oOarthurOo: I haven't won that thread. It's previous threads I "won", kind of. |
| 10:37.25 | clusty | any1 got a clue of my screen problem? |
| 10:37.37 | oOarthurOo | levander: I joined off-topic in case you want to continue this. But this is not appropriate here. |
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| 10:38.28 | phorce1 | clusty: have you tried fg |
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| 10:38.42 | levander | You're not in debian-offtopic. But, I really got nothing else to say. Unless there was some stuff you wanted... |
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| 10:38.49 | phorce1 | clusty: or screen -dR |
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| 10:42.31 | clusty | phorce1, none work. second just makes me new screen |
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| 10:45.01 | phorce1 | clusty: if you hit ctrl-d in a term inside screen then it should have killed the process only inside that term and left screen running |
| 10:45.33 | phorce1 | clusty: try ctrl-a-0 or ctrl-a-1 to switch terms and see if you are still inside screen |
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| 10:47.26 | clusty | phorce1, now i am not inside screen |
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| 10:47.32 | clusty | and can't reattach to the old one |
| 10:47.40 | clusty | ahhhh |
| 10:47.41 | clusty | i know |
| 10:47.42 | clusty | :D |
| 10:48.07 | clusty | phorce1, pfiuuuu: i created the stuff inside term but detacched them (& at end) |
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| 10:48.18 | clusty | i think i killed screen but stuff is still running? |
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| 10:49.25 | phorce1 | clusty: try typing 'jobs' |
| 10:49.50 | clusty | phorce1, nothing |
| 10:51.09 | clusty | phorce1, if i ps auxw| grep it stuff is still running |
| 10:51.25 | phorce1 | clusty: you may not be able to get back to them if thescreen session that started them was killed. They no longer know who their controlling tty/pty is supposed to be |
| 10:51.52 | clusty | phorce1, its fine really i guess. will just be harder to monitor progress |
| 10:52.12 | JarJarBinks | If i want to remove the first line of output from a command for use in a pipe.. I thought I could do tail -n-1 but doesn't work... so I do command | tac | head -n-1|tac ... does anyone know a more clean way |
| 10:52.36 | phorce1 | clusty: what is the status of those programs? |
| 10:52.52 | clusty | phorce1, meaning? |
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| 10:53.52 | clusty | phorce1, wel it is writing stuff to the database normally |
| 10:54.16 | clusty | phorce1, if that was the queston :D |
| 10:54.34 | phorce1 | clusty the status column i ps ax |
| 10:54.43 | phorce1 | s/i /in / |
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| 10:55.24 | clusty | phorce1, http://pastebin.com/m3c469797 |
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| 10:56.26 | JungleBoy | how to install GD library module to apache? in folder mods-available there is no mod for GD |
| 10:56.27 | Halfasleep | JarJarBinks: command | tail -n+2 |
| 10:56.33 | phorce1 | clusty: yeah, they're all "S". Sure seems like you should be able to get them back somehow |
| 10:57.04 | clusty | phorce1, its fine really |
| 10:57.23 | clusty | phorce1, just need to make sure that all is peachy. these tasks will run for the whole of this week |
| 10:57.25 | clusty | thanks |
| 10:57.33 | phorce1 | clusty: yw |
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| 11:01.47 | enouf | JungleBoy: does man a2enmod help? |
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| 11:02.33 | enouf | heck a2[tab][tab] ;-) |
| 11:02.33 | Tapout | box is basement, with no monitor, keeps crashing. I think kernel panic happens once every 2 days. Is there a way to remote monitor it, so I don't gotta lug my monitor downstairs everytime? |
| 11:02.59 | enouf | Tapout: remote syslog maybe? |
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| 11:03.14 | Tapout | enouf, but on a kernel panic, will it sync the syslog remotely? |
| 11:03.37 | enouf | Tapout: or if you ssh in, still no good? serial terminal? |
| 11:03.39 | Tapout | i've checked the ram, no issues running over like 2 days. Still get panics ffs |
| 11:03.47 | Tapout | nah it's out, totally unresponsive |
| 11:03.48 | enouf | Tapout: i'm not certain |
| 11:03.50 | Tapout | gotta hit 'reset' |
| 11:05.06 | enouf | well, all messages should be spit out to the syslog as it's dying .. i mean you won't capture the actual panic unless you use a kernel debugger, if that's what you want, you could also do that remotely |
| 11:05.47 | Tapout | enouf, so hrm.. i can attach a debug process to the kernel and when it panic's it'll sync out? or provide like a gdb session where I check it out? |
| 11:06.13 | enouf | IOW, the kernel's printk buffer - see /etc/default/syslogd and man {3,8} syslog* ? |
| 11:06.28 | Tapout | iow? |
| 11:06.31 | enouf | right {k}gdb |
| 11:06.37 | enouf | In Other Words |
| 11:06.53 | Tapout | ok thank you enouf, gonna go read |
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| 11:08.34 | enouf | Tapout: i guess i meant man 8 syslogd (which is the same as SYSKLOGD(8)) and man 2 syslog |
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| 11:10.24 | Tapout | yep |
| 11:10.33 | Tapout | I understood :) |
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| 11:19.50 | g00se | Trying to compile gimp, but make fails. Is this coz i need to do it in a 'Debian way'? |
| 11:21.27 | JungleBoy | enouf: thanks, how to check all mod list? |
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| 11:21.37 | g00se | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 11:21.38 | _anyone | if you compile from scrahc, you need to ask GIMP... |
| 11:21.47 | _anyone | *scratch |
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| 11:22.26 | g00se | _anyone: It's Debian package source |
| 11:22.44 | g00se | (Got with apt-get) |
| 11:23.18 | petemc | g00se: then you should use debuild |
| 11:23.25 | roderyk | during an upgrade, I didn't notice but kadu-common was upgraded to 0.6.0.2-4 and kadu* were removed (since they depend on 0.6.0.2-3). Now I cannot seem to install kadu b/c only kadu-common version has been bumped. Is this a known bug or am I missing something? (Debian Sid) |
| 11:23.41 | petemc | g00se: what are you rebuilding the package for? |
| 11:25.00 | g00se | petemc: Just custom alteration to gump (custom mailing plugin) |
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| 11:25.47 | petemc | !package recompile |
| 11:25.48 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename 3) cd packagename-version/; (edit debian/rules to change compile options); (add entry to debian/changelog with version +yourname1 at the end) 5) cd ..; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us packagename 6) dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb |
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| 11:26.30 | JungleBoy | how calls GD library for apache2 mod? i can`t find it in mods-available dir |
| 11:27.02 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
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| 11:27.28 | petemc | JungleBoy: you dont mean php gd? |
| 11:28.04 | g00se | petemc: Thanks |
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| 11:29.06 | xinming_ | anyone here can tell me why will gnome-panel package for debian will still stick on 2.20 please? |
| 11:29.25 | enouf | JungleBoy: i don't know much about it all, nor which module the gd one is/does, but ~$ apt-cache search libapache | grep mod might help (after you run {apt-get,aptitude} update) |
| 11:29.53 | petemc | xinming_: debian stable doesnt get new packages, only security updates |
| 11:30.04 | xinming_ | petemc: No, I mean the unstable |
| 11:30.08 | xinming_ | petemc: I am using unstable |
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| 11:30.54 | petemc | xinming_: then i would imagine new versions will be added at some point - you know otherwise#? |
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| 11:31.37 | stimpie | could someone point me to some guidelines for solving 'zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13) but 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12 is to be installed' |
| 11:31.44 | enouf | xinming_: think it has to do with not migrating to testing, since lenny is frozen now |
| 11:31.47 | Akuw | i want to run a cron every minute |
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| 11:32.03 | xinming_ | petemc: the question is, most part of gnome 2.22 is already in debian now, only the gnome-panel, And IIRC, for gnome-panel package, It've been using it over 4 months. |
| 11:32.08 | Akuw | i put this 0,1,30,45 * * * * /usr/bin/who >> /home/x/Desktop/quien.tex in crontab |
| 11:32.17 | Eulex | stimpie, you're mixing stable and testing/unstable |
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| 11:32.45 | stimpie | Akuw, use * * * * * |
| 11:33.34 | stimpie | Eulex, I was suspecting that ( i mixed with unstable but removed it from my sources) is there a way back? |
| 11:33.34 | Akuw | and every second ? |
| 11:33.35 | g00se | petemc: Should all the build deps get uninstalled by aptitude once they've been used |
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| 11:34.05 | stimpie | Akuw, cron is minute precise |
| 11:34.25 | stimpie | Akuw, create a script with a loop and a sleep(1) |
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| 11:34.36 | Akuw | ok |
| 11:35.10 | petemc | g00se: no idea |
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| 11:36.26 | Akuw | i change |
| 11:36.30 | enouf | xinming_: you've checked the debian BTS? |
| 11:36.34 | Akuw | but the files is not created |
| 11:37.20 | g00se | petemc: OK. Thanks. I can always keep an eye on them |
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| 11:37.30 | JungleBoy | enouf: thanks, i found it - apt-get install php5-gd |
| 11:38.30 | enouf | JungleBoy: ok - might want libapache2-mod-php5 and libapache2-mod-php5filter ? |
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| 11:39.25 | Eulex | stimpie, downgrading is not supported. not to say it's impossible, just that you will probably get problems when attempting to do so that you will have to fix yourself. reinstalling is the easier way. |
| 11:39.31 | Akuw | i don unserstand |
| 11:39.55 | Eulex | stimpie, well, it also depends upon how big parts of your system is from unstable and how big part is from stable, really |
| 11:39.55 | Akuw | i edit cdrontab but in documentation it talk about use crontab -e |
| 11:40.01 | Eulex | !tell stimpie about downgrade |
| 11:40.21 | Akuw | when i use crontab -e it open a file called /tmp/crontab.emwVQy/crontab |
| 11:40.42 | Akuw | what is the real procedure? |
| 11:40.51 | stimpie | Eulex, its a test system so reinstalling will be the easiest |
| 11:40.55 | enouf | stimpie: depending on pkg dependencies, you might just go grab the version you want and dpkg -i pkgname to install it at this point |
| 11:41.23 | stimpie | I will try downgrading but I assume it will end up in a reinstall, nice lesson for me |
| 11:41.49 | stimpie | thanks for the help |
| 11:41.50 | epsilon | Akuw: hard to say... but /tmp is clened up on each boot, so if it's an old entry, you can remove it |
| 11:42.00 | enouf | stimpie: the debian reference should be a nice read ;-) |
| 11:42.19 | epsilon | stimpie: if you need testing/unstable stuff, check out debootstrap |
| 11:42.35 | petemc | Akuw: both work, you can edit /etc/crontab , or use crontab -e, which creates the file in tmp then copies it to /var/ |
| 11:43.01 | enouf | Akuw: TMPTIME= in /etc/default/rcS if you need to alter how long /tmp files are left hanging around |
| 11:43.12 | Akuw | but the cron is not executing this line /tmp/crontab.emwVQy/crontab |
| 11:43.16 | Akuw | sorry |
| 11:43.27 | Akuw | this 0,1,30,45 * * * * /usr/bin/who >> /home/x/Desktop/quien.tex |
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| 11:43.41 | epsilon | as user, you should run crontab -e |
| 11:43.45 | petemc | Akuw: you should put the commands you want executed in a script, and reference that script in cron |
| 11:43.50 | ringo999 | hi when trying to p 11. |
| 11:44.35 | ringo999 | hi, when trying to purge a package with aptitude (mpd) i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/d4ad637b0 Could someone please have a look and see how I could resolve this? |
| 11:45.14 | Akuw | but with this line should be execute who 0,1,30,45 * * * * /usr/bin/who >> /home/x/Desktop/quien.tex |
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| 11:45.25 | Akuw | but nothing happen |
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| 11:48.13 | drcode | hi all |
| 11:48.24 | drcode | can I tell ssh to autologin and check if it was login? |
| 11:48.29 | drcode | if not to restart? |
| 11:48.47 | Eulex | 'if it was login'? |
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| 11:50.33 | petemc | Akuw: look in syslog to see if the command is being executed |
| 11:50.52 | drcode | yes |
| 11:51.05 | drcode | I have using putty in winxp |
| 11:51.15 | drcode | putty can make autologin |
| 11:51.23 | drcode | but I want to check that it did it |
| 11:51.27 | drcode | if not to reconnect |
| 11:52.16 | Akuw | where is syslog? |
| 11:52.26 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:04.47 | buscon | Hi, I need a simple ftp client, able to make a recursive get of directory |
| 12:04.57 | buscon | any advice ? |
| 12:05.30 | zcram | cli or graphical |
| 12:05.33 | zcram | ? |
| 12:05.43 | zcram | lftp is nice |
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| 12:05.58 | zcram | heh |
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| 12:06.08 | themill | "scp -r" is better. Or rsync. Anything but ftp. |
| 12:06.10 | zcram | but i think the stock ftp client can do recursive stuff |
| 12:06.11 | SystemFAILURE | buscon:: use lftp if you want a CLI client , otherwise try gFTP |
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| 12:06.47 | buscon | SystemFAILURE, yep, cli client - I have a look at lftp, thx |
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| 12:07.04 | endra | hey |
| 12:07.08 | endra | why do I need exim4 |
| 12:07.20 | dante_2core | did you google for it? |
| 12:07.23 | zcram | for sendin' letters? |
| 12:07.26 | zcram | heh |
| 12:07.38 | dante_2core | i'm sure you can find a lot of information on it without having people here explaining |
| 12:07.39 | pumpkin_ | [etch]: what is the best vpn-client for a cisco based vpn network? the Ciscoclient disconnect at random times and with random errors... |
| 12:07.49 | dante_2core | endra, man exim4 |
| 12:07.59 | endra | I know what exim4 is, I meant why does a debian system need a mailer |
| 12:08.15 | dante_2core | to send emails is the reply |
| 12:08.18 | SystemFAILURE | endra:: it doesn't need |
| 12:08.22 | dante_2core | if you dont want to send emails remove it |
| 12:09.46 | endra | I see |
| 12:09.59 | endra | I remember being told that it needed it, maybe I'm thinking of another program |
| 12:10.10 | dante_2core | usually if you want to know whether something is necessary or not try to remove it |
| 12:10.31 | dante_2core | if your aptitude tells you "that's a bad thing to do" come and ask, but generally, try things out :) |
| 12:10.49 | endra | I vaguely remember trying to remove it and it was asking me to install something else instead of it |
| 12:10.55 | dante_2core | yea, sendmail |
| 12:11.06 | dante_2core | i never really tried removing it because I use it at times |
| 12:11.06 | endra | This time it didn't ask me to install sendmail, it just removed it |
| 12:11.14 | dante_2core | endra, well, fine then :D |
| 12:11.37 | endra | hmm, the files are still on the system.. is that normal? |
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| 12:11.55 | dante_2core | generally: think something's not needed? double-check the manpage whether it's important for tasks you want to do, and if not, you can remove it in most cases |
| 12:11.59 | dante_2core | endra, rather not, no |
| 12:12.21 | dante_2core | endra, what files do you mean? mails? or the directory in your home folder? |
| 12:12.25 | SystemFAILURE | endra:: maybe .. configuration files (and sometimes something else) are not removed (except if you use the --purge option) |
| 12:12.40 | endra | no, I can still run exim4 |
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| 12:12.45 | endra | the binary is still there |
| 12:13.01 | SystemFAILURE | endra:: /etc/init.d/exim4 stop |
| 12:13.01 | dante_2core | endra, I don't think you removed all of exim |
| 12:13.04 | endra | ah wait, exim4-base is still installed |
| 12:13.11 | dante_2core | try "aptitude search exim" |
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| 12:13.33 | dante_2core | those with a "i" in the beginning are installed |
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| 12:13.39 | endra | ah there we go, now it is asking me to install xmail |
| 12:13.58 | endra | so back to the original question.. why does a system require a mailing daemon? |
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| 12:14.13 | dante_2core | endra, many (especially old programs) send errors as mails to you locally |
| 12:14.14 | SystemFAILURE | endra:: it does not REQURIE |
| 12:14.17 | SystemFAILURE | *REQUIRE |
| 12:14.39 | dante_2core | SystemFAILURE, debian makes it quite difficult for you to actually remove all mailing daemons, I noticed |
| 12:14.56 | SystemFAILURE | dante_2core:: I consider it a good thing |
| 12:15.07 | SystemFAILURE | *this |
| 12:15.11 | dante_2core | well me too but if people really want to remove it they ought to be able to |
| 12:15.30 | dante_2core | i mean... many old programs rely on mail-errors, so it kinda makes sense to keep a daemon |
| 12:15.42 | SystemFAILURE | dante_2core:: 'ight |
| 12:15.55 | dante_2core | endra, see it as kind of a legacy support for older programs - but if it really disturbs you I'm sure it's possible to remove it |
| 12:16.17 | endra | it doesn't disturb me.. I'm just paranoid |
| 12:16.20 | dante_2core | :D |
| 12:16.24 | SystemFAILURE | dante_2core:: maybe with 'apt-get --purge -f -y --force-yes remove exim4' ? ;) |
| 12:16.39 | dante_2core | endra, ask around some more, I'm not well-informed enough |
| 12:16.49 | endra | dante_2core: you can't expect someone to read the man pages on all his installed programs, and there are so many installed that I don't know if they are secure or not |
| 12:17.07 | dante_2core | endra, well I can't really give you a solution to that |
| 12:17.20 | endra | I know, which is why I'm paranoid ;p |
| 12:17.32 | dante_2core | if you want to make your system secure you'll have to look around and remove networking stuff that you don't know about |
| 12:17.43 | dante_2core | and yes, you can expect people to read manpages, lots of them |
| 12:17.50 | dante_2core | that's one of the fundamental parts of using linux |
| 12:18.01 | dante_2core | to rtfm, to rtfm, and to rtfm some more |
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| 12:18.50 | dante_2core | heck, in most cases reading the manpage would be a lot faster than even asking in IRC for many people, but they just don't appreciate all the information that is given to them nicely formatted and formulated as manpages |
| 12:19.04 | petemc | man pages suck |
| 12:19.10 | petemc | (mostly) |
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| 12:19.24 | dante_2core | have you written any? |
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| 12:19.44 | petemc | whats that got to do with anything? |
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| 12:19.52 | zcram | man pages are very good |
| 12:19.52 | dante_2core | i'm not up for a flame war right now |
| 12:19.57 | zcram | they contain information |
| 12:20.19 | dante_2core | but I don't really understand this argumentless, aggressive comment "man pages suck" of yours |
| 12:20.23 | zcram | contrary to irc, which only contains assholes |
| 12:20.40 | Eulex | zcram, ahaha, yeah :D |
| 12:21.03 | dante_2core | what I meant is people sit down and write documentation for others, not because it's interesting but because they think it to be senseful |
| 12:21.14 | dante_2core | and along come people and say "manpages suck" |
| 12:21.23 | dante_2core | I just can't understand that. |
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| 12:22.19 | endra | manpages contain lots of useless information |
| 12:22.41 | dante_2core | useless for maybe particularly your case and situation |
| 12:23.07 | dante_2core | but only a complete documentation is a real documentation |
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| 12:23.07 | petemc | dante_2core: there are acknowledged problems with lots of the man pages |
| 12:23.22 | dante_2core | petemc, well that is totally a different thing |
| 12:23.32 | dante_2core | and a lot more of a base to talk about and find a solution than "manpages suck" |
| 12:23.39 | zcram | manpages were meant to be a *short* (hence- page) introduction to a program or facility. Multi-page "manpages" were a no-no in the old days, and people who needed deeper insight were expected to read the code. |
| 12:23.50 | dante_2core | we can gladly talk about it petemc, need to go now, studies ´~ |
| 12:23.52 | dante_2core | bbs |
| 12:24.01 | petemc | dante_2core: you shouldnt take personal offence to offhand comments on irc |
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| 12:24.12 | petemc | you'll find life very hard if you do |
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| 12:28.20 | Skept | Hi, how to make an usb bootable? I want to install debian from usb |
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| 12:31.02 | sep | Skept, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 12:38.39 | endra | If I try to remove inetd, it says that netbase gets broken.. and netbase is 'basic tcp/ip networking', the only service with inetd that is running is identd (according to /etc/inetd.conf), and I don't really need it |
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| 12:48.52 | enouf | you don't need identd nor inetd running |
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| 12:50.03 | endra | I know, trying to get rid of inetd the packet 'netbase' depends on it |
| 12:50.25 | endra | needs english lessons |
| 12:50.30 | endra | I know, trying to get rid of inetd but the package 'netbase' depends on it |
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| 12:51.33 | mu-dev | just don't run it |
| 12:51.49 | mu-dev | do you need netbase? |
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| 12:55.18 | mu-dev | looks like without it you can't start/stop networking |
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| 12:56.00 | enouf | doesn't look like that happens here http://pastebin.ca/raw/1266584 |
| 12:57.06 | enouf | for me, seems like one or the other is needed, not both - and i use neither |
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| 12:58.10 | mu-dev | why would a purge install stuff? |
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| 12:59.06 | ELJusticeiro | What that error is that? Transparent proxy not browsing on some sites. And the proxy normal browsing on everything. Nov 25 10:22:13 wolverine named[10390]: FORMERR resolving 'pagead2.googlesyndication.com/A/IN': 192.54.112.30#53 |
| 12:59.09 | enouf | *shrugs* .. but obviously i have a very fugly mix ;-) |
| 12:59.09 | mu-dev | I'm running etch... that doesn't look like etch's apt-get :) |
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| 13:00.07 | mu-dev | ELJusticeiro: dns failure? |
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| 13:01.58 | mu-dev | it resolves fine here... |
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| 13:04.41 | ELJusticeiro | mu-dev some one |
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| 13:07.10 | ringo999 | im having problems removing a package using aptitude could someone please havea look? http://pastebin.com/d4ad637b0 |
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| 13:09.55 | riot | is there a good tool to find out about bitrates of various media? |
| 13:10.10 | riot | oh, got it.. mplayer! ;) |
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| 13:19.29 | aprendiz001 | hello |
| 13:19.42 | aprendiz001 | I have problems with ssh without password |
| 13:20.07 | mu-dev | make a key without a passphrase |
| 13:20.08 | aprendiz001 | I generate public keys |
| 13:20.22 | aprendiz001 | without passphrase |
| 13:20.40 | aprendiz001 | and I add to the authize_keys in the server |
| 13:20.41 | mu-dev | so, what does it do when you try to ssh in |
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| 13:20.53 | aprendiz001 | enter passphrase |
| 13:21.03 | mu-dev | and you hit enter? |
| 13:21.10 | aprendiz001 | yes |
| 13:21.14 | mu-dev | and? |
| 13:21.19 | aprendiz001 | and ask me for the password |
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| 13:21.31 | aprendiz001 | I think it suppose to be automatic |
| 13:21.47 | mu-dev | so you get asked for the password too? |
| 13:21.56 | mu-dev | sounds like pam setup? |
| 13:22.10 | SystemFAILURE | aprendiz001:: you have to enable login without password in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:22.30 | aprendiz001 | in the server? |
| 13:22.37 | SystemFAILURE | aprendiz001:: y |
| 13:22.45 | JarJarBinks | Halfasleep: thanks a lot... don't know why I missed that |
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| 13:23.57 | aprendiz001 | I have that before working |
| 13:24.10 | petemc | the default config allows for passwordless keys |
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| 13:24.13 | aprendiz001 | I have the parameters well done |
| 13:24.15 | petemc | aprendiz001: ssh -vvv |
| 13:24.48 | aprendiz001 | OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 13:25.26 | petemc | aprendiz001: i mean use ssh -vvv user@host, watch what it prints |
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| 13:27.31 | lilalinux | How do I find out, what keytype a key in authorized_keys is? I installed openssh-blacklist-extra but still see some "Unknown" keys |
| 13:28.05 | aprendiz001 | petemc I don't know how to detect the error |
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| 13:29.18 | aprendiz001 | It's look like it was fine |
| 13:29.28 | aprendiz001 | debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-dss blen 433 |
| 13:29.40 | aprendiz001 | debug2: input_userauth_pk_ok: |
| 13:29.49 | aprendiz001 | debug3: sign_and_send_pubkey |
| 13:29.56 | lilalinux | the keys in question of authorized_keys start with 1024 or 2048 or 4096. The ones that are not unknown start with ssh-dss and ssh-rsa |
| 13:30.20 | aprendiz001 | but next ask me for passphrase |
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| 13:31.33 | petemc | aprendiz001: i would go over your steps again, the most likely problem is some small mistake |
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| 13:33.40 | aprendiz001 | ssh-keygen -t dsa and enter with passphrase |
| 13:34.02 | aprendiz001 | and ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub root@host |
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| 13:34.42 | lilalinux | btw: why on earth isn't openssh-blacklist-extra distributed via debian-security for etch? |
| 13:34.44 | aprendiz001 | that are my stpes |
| 13:34.47 | Joelio | hi, I'm having an issue re-installing etch on to an old P3 with an AIC-7899P SCSI card, keep getting 'No Drive Found' - The box was initially build with sarge and dist-upgraded.. the etch kernel worked fine. We've since taken the box out of production and wanted to reprovision it, but I'm stumped by this error. Any ideas? |
| 13:35.47 | aprendiz001 | petemc |
| 13:36.45 | mu-dev | aprendiz001: it works for me... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:37.18 | aprendiz001 | 4.0 |
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| 13:37.34 | petemc | aprendiz001: did you do what i suggested? |
| 13:37.34 | mu-dev | but I didn't do copy-id |
| 13:37.53 | aprendiz001 | yes, read the debug? |
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| 13:38.43 | petemc | no, i suggested you go over the the key creation/copying again |
| 13:38.57 | petemc | its not hard, but its quite possible to make a mistake |
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| 13:39.21 | mu-dev | what I did do, is cat .ssh/id_dsa.pub and pick that up with the mouse |
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| 13:39.33 | petemc | i dont use ssh-copy-id either.. |
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| 13:39.45 | ribasushi | my terminal font (terminus) used to show all kinds of interesting unicode (like chinese) - now all of this is all of a sudden gone |
| 13:39.46 | petemc | aprendiz001: you say you use with passphrase? |
| 13:39.49 | mu-dev | then ssh in, and cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 13:39.51 | aprendiz001 | yes petemc, I tried five times |
| 13:40.02 | mu-dev | then paste |
| 13:40.10 | mu-dev | then ctrl-d |
| 13:40.13 | mu-dev | then test it |
| 13:40.22 | aprendiz001 | add manually and the last with ssh-copy-id |
| 13:40.26 | joltcan | ssh-copy-id user@host does that automatically |
| 13:40.30 | mu-dev | that worked with no problem |
| 13:40.32 | ribasushi | I reinstalled the entire x font system alongside with defoma and x-ttcid-whatever-config |
| 13:40.37 | joltcan | damn you aprendiz001, you beat me to it! |
| 13:40.43 | ribasushi | what else can there be that could affect this? |
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| 13:40.50 | mu-dev | have you changed your pam config? |
| 13:40.55 | petemc | aprendiz001: if you add a passphrase when creating the key, thats why you're being prompted |
| 13:41.10 | aprendiz001 | no, I pressed enter |
| 13:41.26 | mu-dev | then pressed enter two more times? |
| 13:41.34 | aprendiz001 | twice yes |
| 13:41.46 | mu-dev | the first enter is the filename to store the key |
| 13:42.05 | aprendiz001 | I mean for the passphrase questions |
| 13:42.17 | aprendiz001 | the filename I change because it is for nagios |
| 13:42.21 | mu-dev | so you accepted the default filename? |
| 13:43.05 | mu-dev | so you didn't accept the default |
| 13:43.13 | aprendiz001 | yes |
| 13:43.16 | petemc | aprendiz001: when testing with ssh -vvv , you should see if send the key and the key being accepted, take your time and read through the output |
| 13:43.21 | mu-dev | ok, as long as you're aware of the consequences that should be ok |
| 13:44.07 | mu-dev | I am still wondering if you have changed the server's pam configuration |
| 13:44.50 | aprendiz001 | petemc I wrote before |
| 13:45.00 | aprendiz001 | debug2: input_userauth_pk_ok: |
| 13:45.10 | aprendiz001 | I understand there that it is ok |
| 13:45.13 | petemc | aprendiz001: im telling you to read it, all of it |
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| 13:45.36 | themill | Pasting the key in like that is likely to introduce spurious new lines in to the authorized_keys file. |
| 13:45.47 | enouf | aprendiz001: are you logging in as root ... and yet put the keys in (a user's) ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
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| 13:46.53 | mu-dev | themill: sure, it could do that... it's been ok for me with konsole |
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| 13:47.11 | aprendiz001 | yes enouf |
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| 13:47.40 | icedwater | Hello guys, I'm on Ubuntu now, but I have an Etch partition which doesn't seem to recognise the wireless card I'm using at the moment. |
| 13:48.10 | mu-dev | themill: but when I do it as I described, the next time I log in I get in without having to type anything |
| 13:48.17 | zcram | your etch partition won't recognise the wireless card? that's odd now |
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| 13:48.49 | icedwater | Yep ... I don't know, during install I was in a place without net access, so I didn't do the autoconfig. |
| 13:48.59 | burg | hello. the image i download from debian server is not bootable |
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| 13:49.03 | mu-dev | icedwater: you should be able to find the name of the driver |
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| 13:49.15 | enouf | !which driver |
| 13:49.16 | dpkg | driver locator is probably To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 13:49.24 | icedwater | Yeah, I checked lsmod and ieee80211 was listed, as was ipw2200 |
| 13:49.37 | mu-dev | enouf: he's got the driver inserted right now |
| 13:49.37 | icedwater | So the drivers were loaded, but I couldn't use the interface and ip a didn't list it. |
| 13:49.49 | mu-dev | just not under debian |
| 13:50.08 | enouf | what? |
| 13:50.34 | mu-dev | he's running ubuntu right now, he wants to run etch which is installed on a partition. |
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| 13:50.55 | mu-dev | so lsmod should be telling |
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| 13:51.10 | icedwater | mu-dev: are you talking about me, though? |
| 13:51.12 | Akuw | once i use crontab -e is necesary to do something else? |
| 13:51.27 | mu-dev | yes I am... why, your ears got red? :) |
| 13:51.38 | icedwater | Heh, they already are :P |
| 13:52.06 | petemc | Akuw: no |
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| 13:52.20 | icedwater | Anyway, how should I solve my problem ... lspci shows the device - it's an intel integrated card. But I am not sure how to get it set up |
| 13:52.39 | themill | dpkg: tell icedwater about ipw2200 |
| 13:52.44 | Akuw | theen , why the task never estart? |
| 13:52.47 | Akuw | start |
| 13:53.02 | mu-dev | themill: oh, does he need firmware? |
| 13:53.03 | petemc | Akuw: probably you're doing it wrong |
| 13:53.08 | themill | mu-dev: yes |
| 13:53.39 | mu-dev | does etch have the firmware loader? |
| 13:54.04 | Akuw | i am using crontab -e and 0,1,30,45 * * * * date >> /home/x/Desktop/dateo.txt |
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| 13:55.20 | mu-dev | maybe you mean 0,15,30,45? |
| 13:55.28 | icedwater | Hi... sorry :P I killed the parent process. |
| 13:55.36 | petemc | Akuw: i told you to look in syslog earlier, did you do that? |
| 13:55.54 | mu-dev | icedwater: oh man... was it bloody? |
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| 13:55.58 | enouf | you also told him to use a script and reference it |
| 13:55.59 | icedwater | Is there any way to detach a child process and kill the parent if it was executed using sh -c? |
| 13:56.07 | petemc | enouf: and what? |
| 13:56.23 | mphill | might even be 00 for the minute |
| 13:56.38 | enouf | er.. run the script as the cron |
| 13:56.42 | Akuw | the last 5 lines Nov 25 09:23:33 localhost crontab[32614]: (root) END EDIT (root) |
| 13:57.13 | icedwater | mu-dev: Might have been, it was mopped up cleanly though. |
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| 13:58.28 | enouf | that way, he could set -x inside and see which/when commands are actually executing - but no, he doesn't seem to want to know about that |
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| 13:59.02 | icedwater | Any ideas about a wireless card that won't wake up, though? It's caught by the kernel and stuff and the modules load... but it says something like failed to initialise with error -5 on dmesg |
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| 14:00.09 | themill | icedwater: "/msg dpkg ipw2200" Also, "something like" is pretty useless... exact error messages preferred. You can usually stick them into google and find solutions too. |
| 14:00.12 | mu-dev | icedwater: themill knows the problem |
| 14:00.25 | Akuw | enouf: any idea ? |
| 14:00.35 | enouf | !any ideas |
| 14:00.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 starving kittens. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 14:00.51 | mu-dev | sticks "something like a vague similarity to the problem I had last week" into google |
| 14:00.55 | aprendiz001 | petemc I only find the error No credentials cache found but I don't know what is that |
| 14:00.57 | icedwater | themill: I'd love to provide them, but I need to do stuff for now, I'm not going to reboot again to debian |
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| 14:01.14 | icedwater | Is there a way I could get the error messages through a chroot? |
| 14:01.22 | icedwater | I don't think so, right. |
| 14:01.35 | themill | icedwater: it will probably be in /var/log/dmesg |
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| 14:01.45 | icedwater | Ooh right. |
| 14:01.58 | themill | icedwater: but if you haven't manually downloaded the firmware as dpkg told you, then it's not going to work... |
| 14:02.00 | mu-dev | and/or /var/log/messages |
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| 14:02.36 | icedwater | Hm, why would the firmware be required for debian if Ubuntu has been doing fine for versions? |
| 14:02.36 | Akuw | enouf: ????? |
| 14:02.44 | icedwater | Is it something extra Ubuntu includes? |
| 14:02.48 | Akuw | enouf: are you nut? |
| 14:02.49 | mu-dev | yes |
| 14:02.55 | milligan_ | I have a tunnel from sixxs, and a subnet. How can I check/calculate what ips are available to me ? |
| 14:03.01 | mu-dev | ubuntu does include the firmware |
| 14:03.04 | icedwater | If so, shouldn't I be able to download that simply... or is that the very same firmware. |
| 14:03.05 | icedwater | Ah |
| 14:03.08 | themill | icedwater: because Ubuntu distributes things that Debian doesn't feel that is has the legal right to do so. |
| 14:03.08 | petemc | Akuw: are you waiting for 1,30,45 minutes past the hour? |
| 14:03.14 | icedwater | Right. |
| 14:03.19 | mu-dev | probably it is the very same firmware |
| 14:03.23 | burg | hello. the image i download from debian server is not bootable. where can i find a bootable image? |
| 14:03.23 | icedwater | Okay, fair enough. |
| 14:03.23 | ringo999 | ok this sucks, i tried to install mpd and something went wrong, trying to remove it doesnt work, system is stating it cant stop the mpd daemon. what to do? |
| 14:03.25 | petemc | Akuw: Nov 25 13:45:01 fax /USR/SBIN/CRON[7503]: (pete) CMD (date >> /home/pete/test) |
| 14:03.28 | petemc | # |
| 14:03.35 | mu-dev | and possibly you could find it in your ubuntu and copy it to your etch |
| 14:03.46 | icedwater | burg: Which image did you download? |
| 14:04.02 | ringo999 | i cant install/remove any other packages in this state as aptitude will exit with error... |
| 14:04.13 | stew | burg: what kind of image? an iso? |
| 14:04.17 | lilalinux | why do I still get unknown keys, even after installing openssh-blacklist-extra? |
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| 14:04.26 | lilalinux | are there more blacklists? |
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| 14:04.31 | mu-dev | a porn picksure? |
| 14:04.54 | Akuw | i want to run command each minute |
| 14:05.00 | mu-dev | are blacklists always black-on-white? |
| 14:05.08 | stew | ringo999: try running "/etc/init.d/mpd start" then see if purging works |
| 14:05.09 | lilalinux | Akuw: cron? |
| 14:05.14 | Akuw | yeah |
| 14:05.16 | mu-dev | Akuw: * * * * * |
| 14:05.21 | Akuw | just to test |
| 14:05.25 | lilalinux | Akuw: crontab -e |
| 14:05.28 | mu-dev | crontab -e |
| 14:05.40 | mu-dev | then move cursor below the comment |
| 14:05.55 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:06.06 | mu-dev | then * * * * * echo furbys run my refridgerator |
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| 14:06.11 | mu-dev | err |
| 14:06.15 | Akuw | errors in crontab file, can't install. |
| 14:06.15 | Akuw | Do you want to retry the same edit? |
| 14:06.20 | Akuw | i used **** |
| 14:06.26 | mu-dev | then * * * * * echo furbys run my refridgerator >> ~/foo.txt |
| 14:06.40 | Akuw | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 14:06.40 | Akuw | * * * * * * * * date >> /home/x/Desktop/dateo.txt |
| 14:06.46 | cedric33 | hi i want to use key 3G usb for internet but when i plug the usb key i have not the device ttyUSB0 created i don't know why thanks |
| 14:06.51 | mu-dev | five stars. |
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| 14:06.58 | mu-dev | not 200 :) |
| 14:07.38 | krypnos | cedric33: I had to do modprobe usbserial vendor= |
| 14:08.08 | cedric33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.10 | krypnos | modprobe usbserial vendor=0xYYYY product=0xZZZZ, where YYYY and ZZZZ come from lsusb |
| 14:08.18 | icedwater | OK, in dmesg it says ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 14:08.25 | cedric33 | mhhh ok i try now |
| 14:08.51 | mu-dev | icedwater: probably (not sure) reason -2 is "file not found" |
| 14:08.53 | krypnos | cedric33: I don't think it found your device or it would have given it a location in /dev . Is there any output about it in dmesg? |
| 14:09.00 | icedwater | Hmm, I shall google it, too. |
| 14:09.02 | burg | dvd1 image |
| 14:09.05 | burg | iso, yeah |
| 14:09.34 | cedric33 | krypnos : on the dmesg i have only Vendor: HUAWEI Model: Mass Storage Rev: 2.31 ttached scsi generic sg2 type 5 |
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| 14:09.48 | cedric33 | the key usb is atached on sg2 not ttyUSB0 |
| 14:09.57 | mu-dev | icedwater: so get the firmware into the right place when you have a chance to work on it again |
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| 14:10.31 | stew | icedwater: you can download firmware for it on http://ipw2200.sf.net |
| 14:10.54 | stew | icedwater: you'll need firmware that corresponds to your version of the driver, which you can discover with "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" |
| 14:11.28 | mu-dev | stew: he's running ubuntu now, he has an etch on a partition somewhere, it boots, the firmware isn't on the etch yet |
| 14:11.39 | mu-dev | stew: maybe he can copy it |
| 14:11.41 | stew | mu-dev: that doesn't change anything |
| 14:11.52 | cedric33 | krypnos : i try modprobe usbserial vendor.... but the device is not created |
| 14:11.58 | themill | icedwater: as dpkg said, you need v3.0 of the firmware if you are running etch. |
| 14:12.01 | Akuw | i want to make infinite loop using for |
| 14:12.04 | Akuw | in shell |
| 14:12.09 | mu-dev | sure, the way you say will obviously work |
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| 14:12.14 | abrotman | Akuw: ask #bash |
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| 14:12.23 | petemc | Akuw: while : ; do foo ; done |
| 14:12.24 | stew | Akuw: while true ; do something ; done |
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| 14:12.56 | cedric33 | krypnos : now i have the device ttyUSB0 |
| 14:13.03 | cedric33 | very thanks i try to connect |
| 14:13.10 | mu-dev | Akuw: you go dude! learn that shell! |
| 14:13.47 | aprendiz001 | petemc |
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| 14:15.10 | krypnos | cedric33: no prob. Good luck :) |
| 14:15.13 | mu-dev | Akuw: get the bash info pages |
| 14:15.47 | Akuw | i did what i want |
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| 14:17.04 | icedwater | All right, thanks guys .... I'll work on it and let you know how it goes. |
| 14:17.08 | cedric33 | krypnos : just to understand my problem if i use modprobe usbserial it not find the usb vendor and product why ? |
| 14:17.11 | Akuw | hehe, that loop takes 18% cpu |
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| 14:18.00 | cedric33 | krypnos : i must specify the vendor and product if i want to create the device ttyUSB0 |
| 14:18.20 | krypnos | cedric33: I'm not sure for linux. I have a Dell Wireless 5720 EVDO card in my laptop. This card wasn't created by Dell, though. |
| 14:18.54 | krypnos | cedric33: Dell took cards from a company called Novatel and "rebranded" them. Now, they come up with a Dell vendor string, but a Novatel product string. |
| 14:18.58 | cedric33 | krypnos : ok very thanks for your help |
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| 14:19.10 | Joelio | hi, I'm having an issue re-installing etch on to an old P3 with an AIC-7899P SCSI card, keep getting 'No Drive Found' - The box was initially build with sarge and dist-upgraded.. the etch kernel worked fine. We've since taken the box out of production and wanted to reprovision it, but I'm stumped by this error. Any ideas? |
| 14:19.25 | krypnos | cedric33: When I was running freebsd, I found out their driver didn't know what the device was. It didn't recognize it being from two groups. |
| 14:19.29 | krypnos | cedric33: I'm gonna' assume the same for linux |
| 14:19.47 | cedric33 | now i understand why |
| 14:20.50 | krypnos | Joelio: I am going to start off by saying I have no idea. I've never used SCSI before. I'm curious though, Etch or Etchnhalf? |
| 14:21.21 | mu-dev | Joelio: the scsi line terminated properly? |
| 14:25.13 | nkuttler | Joelio: use the sarge installer? |
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| 14:26.21 | mu-dev | drive spins up? has power? |
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| 14:31.29 | rootmos | is it possible to move a whole volumegroup from one server to another server? |
| 14:31.41 | petemc | yes |
| 14:31.55 | mu-dev | you could move the drives |
| 14:33.04 | lilalinux | Are protocol version 1 keys vulnerable too? |
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| 14:34.09 | asdddd | hello |
| 14:34.27 | asdddd | how I could remove package using forced option ? I need to remove ruby lang and switch to older version |
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| 14:35.10 | aprendiz001 | I have the solution about my keys problem |
| 14:35.20 | aprendiz001 | It was due to permission files |
| 14:35.37 | mu-dev | asdddd why can't you remove? |
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| 14:35.45 | mu-dev | why do you havfe to force? |
| 14:35.49 | Knight_Lord | Did anyone manage to get sound on a mac pro? |
| 14:35.54 | Knight_Lord | If so how? |
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| 14:38.05 | Joelio | krypnos: Etch 4.0r4 |
| 14:38.19 | Joelio | mu-dev: Yes, no changes since it's been rebuilt |
| 14:38.48 | Joelio | nkuttler: should the etch installer kernel not support this though? The etch vanilla kernel does support it. |
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| 14:43.55 | mu-dev | Joelio: does the kernel boot? |
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| 14:51.56 | ringo999 | really strange, i got this java application that used to work fine (uupaal.org) but now when i start it it loads but the application window is just grey. I dont think its something wrong with the application but rather with lenny, any idea what this could be? |
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| 14:53.39 | naiv | ringo999, i think i have the same problem but no solution |
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| 14:54.16 | ringo999 | naiv: which app? |
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| 14:54.46 | naiv | the game module used for playing on flyordie.com |
| 14:56.10 | ringo999 | naiv: i just invoked uupaal with a file parameter and now it works. strange... |
| 14:56.22 | naiv | ringo999, which parameter ? |
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| 14:59.53 | ringo999 | naiv: i start my app loading a file from shell |
| 15:00.06 | ringo999 | naiv: instead of just starting it without a file |
| 15:00.52 | naiv | ok understood |
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| 15:02.35 | themill | ringo999: trying a different java might help you. What's the output of "update-alternatives --display java" (use a pastebin) |
| 15:03.17 | hoxu | readlink -f $(which java) # tidier version :P |
| 15:04.20 | themill | hoxu: except that update-alternatives also tells me what other options are installed all in the one command :) |
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| 15:09.05 | arapaho | :clear |
| 15:10.02 | ringo999 | themill: i only have one java 1.6 |
| 15:10.52 | themill | hoxu: at least, it would give me more information were any information forthcoming. |
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| 15:11.42 | themill | ringo999: the exact output would be helpful |
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| 15:12.54 | nirc | hoiii |
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| 15:13.35 | ringo999 | themill: http://pastebin.com/d1df8a325 |
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| 15:18.44 | themill | ringo999: you'll notice that nowhere in that output is "java 1.6" mentioned... you can see why I wanted the exact output :) But that indicates that you're using the sun java and if that doesn't work for you, then it's not really debian's problem... sun java is sun java. |
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| 15:22.30 | hoxu | themill, I think the JRE/JDK is version 6, java in that itself is 1.6... Sun just has a habit of screwed up version numbering schemes |
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| 15:23.19 | themill | hoxu: indeed. There are a number of different things that will report "java 1.6" but only one thing that will report sun java 6. The details are important. |
| 15:23.48 | hoxu | !flw |
| 15:23.48 | dpkg | < JohnFlux> gandalf: i don't think X will crash |
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| 15:27.41 | cmanns | I use XBTTracker, requires boost which I've had installed via apt, I accidentally removed the dir i installed xbtt in and now I can't get it to compile, gives errors that it cant find boost :S |
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| 15:28.17 | cmanns | What should I try to do? :S im really stumped |
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| 15:32.54 | themill | cmanns: you probably need a -dev package. Which one depends on what you are compiling. Look at the error messages and "/msg dpkg apt-file", "apt-cache search boost dev" |
| 15:33.09 | cmanns | yeah I got all bost libs i need |
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| 15:33.20 | cmanns | I had xbtt running for almost a year hehe |
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| 15:33.49 | cmanns | im tryin it on another server now |
| 15:34.04 | roxazer | hi, how do i se the right time in ntp? i added se.pool.ntp.org three times in ntp.conf and ran "pkill ntp" then restarted ntp, but the time still goes wrong, how can i fix this? |
| 15:34.12 | roxazer | set* |
| 15:34.41 | cmanns | The time doesn't tempoaraly go okay? |
| 15:34.58 | cmanns | I had a server where the battery was bad so I'd have to run ntp every 2 mins |
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| 15:36.17 | roxazer | cmanns: it goes like 10 minutes wrong |
| 15:36.44 | cmanns | even right after you run it? |
| 15:37.00 | cmanns | Your motherboards battery is probably weak/dead |
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| 15:38.18 | roxazer | cmanns: i dont have the command ntp, and if i run ntpd nothings happen |
| 15:38.48 | cmanns | Well if I remember right ntp is a binary you can run.. |
| 15:38.58 | OpenTokix | ntpdate is a better choice |
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| 15:39.05 | cmanns | ah thats the one I used OpenTokix |
| 15:39.07 | roxazer | /etc/init.d/ntp yes |
| 15:39.22 | cmanns | been over a year since I've needed anything to control the date/time hehe |
| 15:39.24 | roxazer | but it does still go wrong |
| 15:39.35 | cmanns | use ntpdate |
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| 15:39.40 | themill | ntpdate is rarely a better choice |
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| 15:39.51 | themill | !ntpdate |
| 15:39.51 | dpkg | ntpdate is, like, a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
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| 15:43.59 | User1 | Hi, I'm using Debian stable/etch 4.0r4a. I need to install the package solr-tomcat5.5 which is only available in testing/lenny, so I've added it to /etc/apt/sources.list. I could install it this way some weeks ago when I installed it on another server, but now it doesn't work (on a new server). I've checked on packages.debian.org and it says it's in testing/lenny, but I still can't install it with apt-get, it cannot find the package. So I added sid/unstabl |
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| 15:45.25 | KlrSp1 | ok so i've managed to get synaptic to ignore upgrading a package I've manually installed (tora), but aptitude/apt-get on CLI won't ignore it... how do you do this? using aptitude hold holds back everything, and aptitude keep does the same |
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| 15:46.01 | themill | dpkg: tell KlrSp1 about bat |
| 15:46.24 | KlrSp1 | alright, pastebinning |
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| 15:48.24 | KlrSp1 | Sources: http://paste.debian.net/22213/ || Output: http://paste.debian.net/22214/ |
| 15:49.44 | KlrSp1 | hmm, actually i figured it out using dpkg --set-selections |
| 15:50.04 | themill | KlrSp1: "aptitude hold tora" is a command that changes the status of the package; it doesn't actually ask aptitude to do anything. When you next aptitude upgrade, then the "hold" comes into affect. |
| 15:50.21 | KlrSp1 | but, i guess i'm confused on.... does synaptic and apt-get not share the holding status? |
| 15:50.22 | themill | KlrSp1: note that aptitude and dpkg/apt-get use a different database for "hold". |
| 15:50.32 | KlrSp1 | bahhhh |
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| 15:50.42 | KlrSp1 | that's a bummer |
| 15:50.44 | themill | nfc what synaptic uses for "hold". |
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| 15:51.05 | KlrSp1 | nfc? |
| 15:51.08 | themill | !nfc |
| 15:51.09 | dpkg | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or No Fucken Comment .. or maybe National Football Conference |
| 15:51.13 | KlrSp1 | ah |
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| 15:51.39 | toolz | is there any anti-ddos utility, or something that can log unwanted traffic on debian? |
| 15:51.49 | KlrSp1 | iptables? |
| 15:52.05 | DigitalOktay | !kernel |
| 15:52.07 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.27.7, prepatch: 2.6.28-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.28-rc6-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.9, prepatch: 2.4.37-rc2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 15:52.09 | KlrSp1 | themill: i ran across this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Apt/Dpkg ; which fixed my issue |
| 15:52.56 | toolz | DigitalOktay, I used freebsd until now, so I used ipfw |
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| 15:53.31 | huhlig | is there a program in the repo like xslproc that can make an xml/xslt into a pdf or doc file |
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| 15:54.10 | themill | KlrSp1: btw pinning/hold is rarely the correct solution to your problem. If you are using "stable" then use backports instead; if you are using "testing" or "unstable" then fix the bugs instead. |
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| 15:56.14 | ringo999 | xmms2 or mpd which one is better? which xmms2 client do you use? |
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| 15:56.57 | naiv | ringo999, consider using amarok, it's a good app |
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| 15:57.26 | KlrSp1 | themill: one of the devs here compiled tora and created a deb for it, the default tora doens't have oracle support, which is lame since it's called Toolkit for Oracle... anyway, even though it's the same version that's in stable, it wants to install FROm stable, which removes my functionality... i'll mos tlikely never upgrade this package unless something drastic comes from TORA itself, which we'll probably re-compile ourselves anyway |
| 15:57.33 | KlrSp1 | is that still not a good use? |
| 15:57.43 | mu-dev | ringo999: try both |
| 15:57.57 | mu-dev | try all three |
| 15:58.04 | mu-dev | hell, try em all! |
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| 15:58.46 | chfwiggum | hi all.im downloading 4.0r5 the dvd-install.does it come with kde4 or still kde3?tia |
| 15:59.10 | KlrSp1 | amarok is good, but lately i've been using xmbc on my htpc so i no longer have any need for anything like that :S |
| 15:59.21 | KlrSp1 | xmms is dead |
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| 15:59.32 | themill | chfwiggum: kde3. kde4 isn't going to be released with lenny and it certainly is going to be in etch (stable). |
| 15:59.35 | helo | is there any way to cancel the package downloading in the lenny netinst installer? |
| 15:59.41 | helo | the mirror i got is really slow |
| 15:59.50 | helo | it's going to take 8 hours... |
| 16:00.03 | chfwiggum | themill: thx |
| 16:00.09 | mu-dev | you should got another mirror thingy |
| 16:00.21 | helo | generally ftp.us.debian.org is fast |
| 16:00.29 | helo | i must have gotten a slow ip |
| 16:01.01 | helo | do i have to reboot and start the installer from the beginning to pick a different mirror now that it has started downloading? |
| 16:01.09 | themill | KlrSp1: perhaps... probably even. But if you are running stable, then you can solve this problem with a different version string (e.g. ~klrsp1 at the end of the debian revision) in the changelog when you make the package) and if you're running testing, then that's a similar case, but I'd check with the maintainer as to why these options aren't compiled in by default. (/msg dpkg ssb ; /msg dpkg package recompile) |
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| 16:03.36 | jpinx4vbox | anyone know how to change the useragent string in epiphany? I´ve tried editing prefs.js but not sure of the syntax to make the browser appear accentable to my bank. |
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| 16:04.06 | helo | seems like having a "try another mirror" or "back" button on the download screen (the only one that may take a significant amount of time) would be very useful in the installer |
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| 16:05.44 | siyb | the last upgrade on unstable caused the user terminal in gnome to open as root terminal, where should i report the bug (gnome-terminal etc ?) or has this bug already been reported? |
| 16:06.41 | helo | lol i hope not |
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| 16:08.08 | helo | that would be one hell of a bug |
| 16:08.31 | joeytwiddle | i upgraded to testing recently, and now i'm getting mouse-click problems in Unreal Tournament! |
| 16:08.32 | helo | oh, i suppose you still have to supply the root password |
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| 16:08.52 | siyb | helo: the user terminal opens like the root terminal |
| 16:08.56 | mu-dev | if you run unstable, be prepared to help fix it |
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| 16:09.59 | siyb | just wanted to know if anyone else encoutered the bug, i got a fried that suffers from the very same bug and was wondering if this is a known problem and if not where to report it to (can't determine whats causing it) |
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| 16:10.43 | mu-dev | a fried what? fried wonton? |
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| 16:11.03 | siyb | mu-dev: up yours |
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| 16:16.24 | ubsafder | hello |
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| 16:16.53 | ubsafder | how can i install an rmp on a debian ? is it possible |
| 16:17.03 | mu-dev | what's an rmp? |
| 16:17.03 | boswarrior | ubsafder, with alien |
| 16:17.08 | ubsafder | sorry rpm |
| 16:17.18 | boswarrior | mu-dev, are u a typo hunter? |
| 16:17.36 | mu-dev | oh ok... why tho? is there not a debian package for what you want? |
| 16:18.10 | joeytwiddle | ubsafder: there is a program called 'alien' which can convert rpm -> deb |
| 16:18.11 | mu-dev | probably work better if there was... if not, would be better to build it rather than use an rpm |
| 16:18.11 | ubsafder | i am looking for libblocxx-devel-2.1.0.342-120.1.i586.rpm |
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| 16:19.40 | ubsafder | i tried alien -i but i was unsure it had worked |
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| 16:20.07 | joeytwiddle | i use: fakeroot alien -d |
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| 16:20.44 | joeytwiddle | you can use dpkg -l <package> to see if it was installed |
| 16:21.07 | ubsafder | alien -i gets me Unpacking of 'libblocxx-devel-2.1.0.342-120.1.i586.rpm' failed at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm line 155. |
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| 16:22.20 | joeytwiddle | owh, bad rpm? :e |
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| 16:22.56 | mu-dev | !info irssi |
| 16:23.35 | dpkg | irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.12-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1052 kB, Installed size: 2764 kB |
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| 16:24.12 | Deepa|Away | !info inn2 |
| 16:24.15 | dpkg | inn2: ('InterNetNews' news server), section news, is extra. Version: 2.4.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3139 kB, Installed size: 7340 kB |
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| 16:25.12 | ubsafder | thanks for the help bye |
| 16:25.32 | zafy | hey guys, little bash question, how do I apply locate on each of the files output by : tar -ft file.tar ? |
| 16:26.41 | naiv | tar ... | xargs locate |
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| 16:28.20 | helo | after i install, i can just run tasksel to install any of the groups i was offered during the installation, right? |
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| 16:28.39 | joeytwiddle | think so |
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| 16:31.52 | hoxu | helo, right |
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| 16:36.36 | neoaj | buen dia |
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| 16:37.06 | neoaj | soi nuevo en esto del linux |
| 16:37.16 | neoaj | y busco una distro para iniciarme |
| 16:37.28 | themill | !es |
| 16:37.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:38.40 | neoaj | oigan |
| 16:38.52 | neoaj | se puede instalar oracle 10g o 11 |
| 16:39.00 | neoaj | en alguna distro de linux?? |
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| 16:39.31 | hoxu | neoaj, we don't understand, speak english |
| 16:40.45 | themill | neoaj: /join #debian-es o /join #linux-es |
| 16:41.24 | mu-dev | aqui en engle`s |
| 16:42.48 | hoxu | and this isn't an oracle support channel either... |
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| 16:43.55 | neoaj | ok |
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| 16:44.26 | mu-dev | neoaj: openacs uses oracle, maybe they have install instructions for linux |
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| 16:49.40 | format_c | Is there a package to enable gnome support for emacs |
| 16:49.41 | format_c | ? |
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| 16:52.20 | mu-dev | what do you want emacs to do? |
| 16:52.45 | neoaj | yea, for mark error |
| 16:52.55 | neoaj | whit tha memory |
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| 16:53.06 | format_c | mu-dev, to be well integrated in my UI |
| 16:53.08 | eflynn | install emacs-gtk |
| 16:53.19 | themill | apt-cache search emacs gnome |
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| 16:53.31 | eflynn | *i'm not sure if that's the right package name but search for emacs and gtk* |
| 16:53.32 | neoaj | the installed in edu-ubuntu |
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| 17:05.23 | tarik | hi |
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| 17:08.36 | jair | guys, I am using an IBM t61p latest stuff and I have debian etch r5. I am having too much hassle trying to get alsa 1.0.13 to make the sound work and couple of other things... should I go with etchandhalf? but if I go that way how unstable my laptop will be after the next stable release of debian? |
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| 17:10.12 | delire | jair: i had a t61p recently (was stolen) and didn't have problem with ALSA but i can't remember quite what it was i did. |
| 17:11.00 | delire | jair: i just bought an tp x200 however and after looking at the hassle of getting etch working on it, i just caved and went with unstable. |
| 17:11.42 | et | why not lenny? |
| 17:11.57 | delire | oops, i meant lenny. bad habit |
| 17:13.00 | delire | s/unstable/less\-stable |
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| 17:18.24 | infinity2 | jair: i would think testing/unstable would be easier to get sound working than stable |
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| 17:21.49 | smacnay | How does one reset a internal usb cardreader if it hangs? |
| 17:22.09 | xsdg | smacnay: uhh... "hang"? |
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| 17:22.34 | SyL | is anybody else getting an error installing "isns" in debian lenny? |
| 17:22.38 | smacnay | xsdg: not sure how to describe it, the red light is on but nothing is being read. |
| 17:23.18 | xsdg | smacnay: I would say unplug and replug (you can also disable and re-enable it with sysfs, though I couldn't tell you how offhand) |
| 17:23.58 | smacnay | xsdg: thanks |
| 17:25.25 | xsdg | smacnay: np; good luck |
| 17:25.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, and actually, this might be one of the rare occurancies when you have to reboot (and leave the machine switched off for 1 minute before restarting) |
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| 17:26.20 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, how can i change the username for "root"? i was thinking /etc/passwd and keeping UID 0 |
| 17:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, try removing the associated kernel modules first, though |
| 17:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mick_laptop, you don't want to do that |
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| 17:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, nickometer c0nfl|ct |
| 17:32.48 | dpkg | 'c0nfl|ct' is 28.000% lame, cutmeownthroat |
| 17:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | 50% less than I thought |
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| 17:41.20 | BleSS | which is the maxomum size for a file (in ext3)? 4G? |
| 17:41.33 | BleSS | s/maxomum/maximum |
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| 17:42.03 | helo | i just did a netinstall, then aptitude install gnome, then aptitude safe-upgrade, and it is uninstalling all of gnome |
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| 17:42.44 | \amethyst | BleSS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits |
| 17:43.00 | \amethyst | BleSS: between 16 GB and 2 TB |
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| 17:43.14 | TheKnight | hallo folks |
| 17:43.18 | BleSS | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 17:43.19 | \amethyst | s/B/iB/g |
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| 17:44.43 | TheKnight | i've skype running on my testing distro but it crashes after few minutes of conversation locking both my audio and camera devices...i know non-official software is not supported, but my question is how to unlock both camera and audio system? |
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| 17:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... reboot :) |
| 17:45.11 | \amethyst | TheKnight: probably it didn't crash completely and something still has them open |
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| 17:45.21 | cahoot | re sound you could try alsa force-reload |
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| 17:45.36 | \amethyst | TheKnight: you can do something like fuser /dev/video0 /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp to see which processes are using those devices |
| 17:45.39 | TheKnight | and, sorry, how to force the program to shut down? kill -9 <process id> doesn't work, in ps -def i still look at a skype [defunct] string |
| 17:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheKnight, it's waiting on your hardware, then - nothing can kill it until it has finished doing so |
| 17:46.12 | \amethyst | TheKnight: if it's marked as [defunct], it's a zombie and isn't really around |
| 17:46.13 | hoxu | TheKnight, zombies... sounds like driver issues or something |
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| 17:46.30 | \amethyst | TheKnight: if it's waiting on the hardware it would be state D, you'll probably see this is state Z |
| 17:46.54 | TheKnight | so...what do i have to do? |
| 17:46.55 | \amethyst | TheKnight: you might check what is the defunct process's parent |
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| 17:47.49 | \amethyst | TheKnight: ps xuf will show you a tree view, or you can use ps -o pid,ppid,command and look at the 'PPID' column for the parent process ID |
| 17:48.18 | \amethyst | TheKnight: zombie means the process died but its parent hasn't checked its exit status yet... often meaning the parent has locked up |
| 17:48.38 | \amethyst | TheKnight: if the parent had died, the zombie should have been inherited by init and reaped by now |
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| 17:49.28 | TheKnight | ps xuf shows no parents for skype |
| 17:49.44 | \amethyst | TheKnight: is it 'Z' in the stat column? |
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| 17:50.24 | ukatan | hey all, I was wondering how to use cut to get only the first line of a block of multi-line output. |
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| 17:50.39 | ukatan | I'm using it in the form of "command | cut <options>" |
| 17:50.42 | TheKnight | in ps xuf i can't see any skype process |
| 17:50.48 | \amethyst | ukatan: can't do it with cut |
| 17:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | helo, you could just upgrade gnome first (or install it again) - you might also try something like aptitude why-not gnome (but I've not used why/why-not myself yet) |
| 17:50.53 | \amethyst | TheKnight: what about axuf ? |
| 17:51.07 | ukatan | \amethyst, that would explain my difficulties! am I looking for.. head, perhaps? |
| 17:51.11 | \amethyst | ukatan: you just want the first line of command's output? command | head -n 1 |
| 17:51.15 | helo | it is pretty bizarre... i've never had a safe-upgrade uninstall anything |
| 17:51.18 | ukatan | aha! |
| 17:51.19 | ukatan | thank you |
| 17:51.22 | helo | something is wrong somewhere |
| 17:51.40 | helo | it uninstalled every package it installed when i previously did "aptitude install gnome" |
| 17:51.44 | akurei | msg dpkg no public key |
| 17:51.57 | helo | so now that it has upgraded, i am reinstalling gnome from tasksel... *sigh* |
| 17:52.02 | TheKnight | \amethyst, yes in ps auxf i see skype as doughter |
| 17:52.03 | \amethyst | helo: aptitude safe-upgrade will remove automatically-installed pacakges that are no longer depended on |
| 17:52.10 | TheKnight | with Z in status |
| 17:52.15 | themill | dpkg: tell helo about unmarkauto |
| 17:52.15 | \amethyst | TheKnight: and what's the parent? |
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| 17:52.22 | helo | so it isn't depended on because of the "aptitude install gnome" i did? |
| 17:52.30 | TheKnight | \amethyst, gdm |
| 17:52.35 | helo | if i tell it to install something, shouldn't it keep that package? |
| 17:52.38 | \amethyst | helo: did you remove gnome? |
| 17:52.51 | themill | helo: you presumably removed something in between installing and doing the safe-upgrade |
| 17:52.58 | helo | \amethyst: no |
| 17:53.03 | helo | i did not |
| 17:53.36 | \amethyst | and you say you installed gnome with aptitude? |
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| 17:53.41 | \amethyst | strange |
| 17:53.54 | \amethyst | it should be marked as manually installed |
| 17:54.08 | themill | helo: can you pastebin the actual output of your aptitude run? |
| 17:54.14 | \amethyst | TheKnight: that's very strange |
| 17:54.23 | TheKnight | \amethyst, gdm means i should stop x session and restart |
| 17:54.45 | \amethyst | TheKnight: yeah, but the question is how did it end up that gdm is skype's parent process |
| 17:54.53 | TheKnight | \amethyst, skype was started from my fvwm panel |
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| 17:55.07 | \amethyst | TheKnight: yeah, so the fvwm panel should be the parent process I would think |
| 17:55.14 | TheKnight | \amethyst, and fvwm is gdm doughter i guess |
| 17:55.58 | TheKnight | \amethyst, i can post it to you if you want...maybe my intepretation is wrong |
| 17:56.03 | \amethyst | TheKnight: sure |
| 17:56.22 | TheKnight | \amethyst, any post website? |
| 17:56.43 | helo | sure, it is logged in /var/log/aptitude? |
| 17:56.47 | \amethyst | TheKnight: any will do |
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| 17:57.23 | subsume | What can I use to observe another terminal? |
| 17:57.26 | helo | will /var/log/aptitude be good enough? i don't have access to the scroll buffer |
| 17:57.39 | TheKnight | \amethyst, i don't remember anyone |
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| 17:57.47 | \amethyst | !paste |
| 17:57.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:58.12 | \amethyst | subsume: ttysnoop can do it, but keep in mind legal and ethical obligations |
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| 17:58.18 | subsume | \amethyst: thank you sir |
| 17:58.27 | subsume | or ma'am |
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| 18:00.21 | helo | where can i get the output to aptitude if i don't have the scroll buffer from the terminal? |
| 18:00.22 | sebbs | this is a bit offtopic, but does anyone if there is a good documentation standard out there? something i could use to document on a wiki, and refer to? |
| 18:00.25 | TheKnight | \amethyst, http://paste.debian.net/22224/ |
| 18:00.25 | helo | output of... |
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| 18:00.53 | TheKnight | \amethyst, line 95 |
| 18:00.53 | \amethyst | TheKnight: ah, no, it's a child of fvwm2, and it is a zombie |
| 18:01.04 | sebbs | helo: aptitude update > mylogfile.log |
| 18:01.14 | sebbs | then do a less mylogfile.log |
| 18:01.16 | TheKnight | \amethyst, ok, i'm sorry for my wrong... |
| 18:01.17 | sebbs | or whatever |
| 18:01.26 | TheKnight | \amethyst, so...what do you suggest? |
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| 18:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start a documentation format war |
| 18:01.49 | dpkg | info documentation isn't GNU-approved |
| 18:01.57 | helo | sebbs: so if i didn't do that, and aptitude fucks up, i have no access to its previous output? |
| 18:02.00 | \amethyst | TheKnight: hm.. |
| 18:02.10 | sebbs | helo: well make it a >> |
| 18:02.15 | \amethyst | TheKnight: I'd try (as root) fuser /dev/video* /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* |
| 18:02.18 | themill | helo: /var/log/aptitude |
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| 18:02.29 | helo | themill: ok, i'll pastebin that for you... |
| 18:02.38 | \amethyst | TheKnight: that well tell you what processes are using those devices... you *shouldn't* see 18179 on the list, since it's a zombie |
| 18:02.41 | sebbs | themill: ah there you go |
| 18:02.43 | themill | sebbs: that doesn't let you capture the output from commands you ran yesterday |
| 18:02.55 | sebbs | oh he menas like that, ok sorry |
| 18:03.13 | sebbs | helo: listen to themill, i missunderstood |
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| 18:03.31 | \amethyst | TheKnight: if it doesn't show anything, it might be possible to unload and reload the modules, but you might find it simpler just to reboot |
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| 18:04.20 | TheKnight | \amethyst, it's really boring and annoying |
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| 18:05.12 | TheKnight | for unload reload of modules should i use 'modprobe -r module' and 'modprobe module'? |
| 18:05.43 | \amethyst | TheKnight: yeah |
| 18:05.56 | \amethyst | TheKnight: do you have a light on your webcam and is it stuck on? |
| 18:06.26 | \amethyst | TheKnight: if so, removing the video modules *should* turn the light off, but if it doesn't you might have to unplug and replug it |
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| 18:06.38 | \amethyst | (replugging ought to cause the module to be reloaded) |
| 18:06.50 | killown | anyway for mplayer-plugin auto repeat any video? |
| 18:07.14 | TheKnight | \amethyst, i unlocked it with echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/eeepc/camera |
| 18:07.48 | TheKnight | \amethyst, and then i toggled it on with echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/eeepc/camera |
| 18:08.00 | \amethyst | TheKnight: ah, so you know more about this than I do :) |
| 18:08.14 | TheKnight | \amethyst, i don't know how to plug/unplug! |
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| 18:08.18 | TheKnight | \amethyst, :D |
| 18:09.05 | \amethyst | TheKnight: I think you just figured out how :) |
| 18:09.39 | TheKnight | \amethyst, ok, great!i learned something more today! :) |
| 18:10.09 | TheKnight | so i'd like to PLUG/UNPLUG audio now :D |
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| 18:11.25 | TheKnight | \amethyst, any suggestion? |
| 18:12.01 | \amethyst | TheKnight: unfortunately no :( |
| 18:12.26 | TheKnight | \amethyst, uhm...that's a threath... :( |
| 18:12.42 | TheKnight | \amethyst, anyway i've to thank you for your courtesy |
| 18:12.57 | TheKnight | \amethyst, it's not so common in support channels |
| 18:13.01 | TheKnight | \amethyst, :D |
| 18:13.25 | themill | TheKnight: "/msg dpkg list alsa users" might provide you with some ideas |
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| 18:16.59 | Dvyjones | I am making a VPS hosting service. Any ideas for software to use (I think I need a hypervisor and a web panel (I want web, not console or GUI)) |
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| 18:18.55 | helo | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1266812 |
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| 18:20.23 | helo | that pastebin shows base install being done, then gnome being installed via "aptitude install gnome", then a safe-upgrade which mysteriously triggered gnome to be uninstalled, and then gnome being reinstalled again via tasksel |
| 18:21.07 | pikudo | is there any way to foce kill a process |
| 18:21.10 | pikudo | neither kill pid or killall app_name worked |
| 18:22.23 | jsaak | kill -9 |
| 18:22.31 | jsaak | or kill -kill |
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| 18:23.05 | pikudo | tks |
| 18:23.31 | jsaak | yw |
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| 18:23.58 | hargut | hallo |
| 18:24.03 | hargut | oh, hello |
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| 18:24.12 | themill | helo: that's a fairly old version of aptitude that you start with. Where's it from? |
| 18:24.16 | simNIX | hallo |
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| 18:24.20 | helo | the live install cd |
| 18:24.27 | helo | netinst from a few weeks ago |
| 18:24.35 | helo | err not live install... "netinst" |
| 18:25.16 | helo | themill: it basically didn't register gnome as being in use even though i ran "aptitude install gnome" |
| 18:25.39 | themill | helo: I thought you installed it through tasksel the first time, not aptitude |
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| 18:25.58 | helo | i installed it through aptitude the first time, then tasksel the 2nd time |
| 18:26.15 | themill | ah |
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| 18:30.41 | themill | helo: are you sure you ran "aptitude install gnome" the first time? Because that should have installed gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-core but didn't. |
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| 18:33.16 | helo | themill: yeah, i checked .bash_history |
| 18:33.33 | helo | i'm running smartctl -t long /dev/sda to see if maybe i have some hard drive issue... |
| 18:34.06 | XLV | helo, also check /var/log/messages, or dmesg |
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| 18:34.54 | themill | helo: I wonder if the installation partly failed but you didn't notice. (the aptitude log wouldn't tell us unfortunately). Given that you had an out of date aptitude when you started, it might be that you had an out of date packages list too and that aptitude install gnome couldn't find all the dependencies. |
| 18:34.58 | chfwiggum | hi all! just switched from ubuntu back to debian.minimal testing installation via netinstall.from command line i added unstable and experimental repos to get kde4.worked out fine but kdm isnt accepting my user-pw,login fails.startx wouldnt help also.am pretty much stuck here in my console :). how do i find out why my user-kdm-login fails while it works on console? tia |
| 18:36.10 | hoxu | !unstable |
| 18:36.10 | dpkg | i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>. |
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| 18:37.05 | chfwiggum | ooh cmon |
| 18:37.06 | themill | chfwiggum: please ask about kde4 stuff in #debian-kde. But have a look in /var/log/kdm.log. If startx is also failing, then it's unlikely to be kdm's fault though. |
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| 18:39.21 | funzl | hi all! i'm having a strange problem with my laptop: while the CPU is busy (for example compiling something), the display changes it's brigthness to some lower state... is it possible that wmii3.1 is responsible for that? |
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| 18:46.13 | mx7 | hi all who use add monitor to laptop ? |
| 18:46.20 | dabreegster | How can I get the click-and-drag behavior of my mouse's scroll wheel in web browsers? The scroll wheel works and clicking it usually acts invokes the paste function. Are web browsers or X or what responsible for controlling this? |
| 18:46.32 | awk | hmm, vendor_id : AuthenticAMD model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+ (cat /proc/cpuinfo) default kernel being used now 2.6.18-6-486 wanting to use vserver kernel, should I use linux-image-2.6.18-4-vserver-686 or linux-image-2.6.18-4-vserver-k7 for my system ? |
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| 18:47.09 | themill | dpkg: tell awk about k7 dropped |
| 18:47.14 | jspiro | mx7: did you get any help on #debian-russian? |
| 18:47.25 | jspiro | mx7: I did not understand your question in English. |
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| 18:48.05 | awk | thank you |
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| 18:48.32 | jspiro | funzl: I don't know. try asking in ##hardware first. If nobody answers you there, re-ask here and tell us nobody there responded to you. |
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| 18:49.33 | mx7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.32 | pakos | i got little problem, in gnome-power-settings i have shutdown when the laptop lid is closed but it's not working. when i close lid gnome is still running. fresh sid installation. any ideas? ;) |
| 18:50.46 | jspiro | mx7: I do not understand. Do you want to connect an additional monitor to your laptop, so that you will have a larger screen, for example 2048x768 instead of 1024x768? |
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| 19:01.26 | sylarr | anyone know about integration of nonfree adobe acrobat reader with epiphany? |
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| 19:01.53 | sylarr | it crush on this site http://www.oryarok.org.il/webfiles/fck/shinin.pdf |
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| 19:03.43 | guilherme-jorge | hello all, Im trying to install Debian etch in a R200(Dell), but I got the following error in the begining of the install process: "No common CDROM drive was detected", because its a SATA CDROM. Is there a easy way to fix this problem? |
| 19:03.43 | jspiro | hi all. I am having a problem. I will upload my syslog to www.jspiro.com then describe the problem. Is a 2MB syslog too big? If so, should I gzip it? Redact it? |
| 19:04.53 | jspiro | sylarr: I don't know anything about nonfree acroread for Linux, and I don't want to help you with nonfree acroread anyway. :) Why not use evince in epiphany? |
| 19:04.59 | petemc | jspiro: grep the information pertinent to your problem out of it |
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| 19:05.36 | sylarr | jspiro, because it doesn't show half of my pdfs |
| 19:05.46 | jspiro | sylarr: URLs to the pdfs please? |
| 19:05.56 | sylarr | jspiro, local pdfs |
| 19:06.08 | jspiro | sylarr: could you upload them to megaupload.com for us? |
| 19:06.16 | jspiro | sylarr: also how were they created? |
| 19:06.27 | sylarr | jspiro, I don't know if I can, they are copy righted |
| 19:06.51 | sylarr | jspiro, professional publishing software |
| 19:07.10 | sylarr | jspiro, that's how they were created |
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| 19:07.31 | jspiro | sylarr: can you ask the copyright owner's general counsel (lawyer) for permission to megaupload them? |
| 19:07.33 | sylarr | jspiro, that could be acrobat distiler, indesign etc |
| 19:08.02 | sylarr | jspiro, sure, but that would take some time |
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| 19:08.25 | sylarr | jspiro, isn't it easier to fix epiphany integration with acroread? |
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| 19:10.30 | jspiro | sylarr: I don't know. I don't know anything about adobe acroread. Does anyone know how to help sylarr? |
| 19:10.52 | hargut | i'd like to have a menuconfig interface to configure a kernel, when i use make-kpkg configure, but with the option "config_target = menuconfig" in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf i get an oldconfig interface with make-kpkg. has anybody of you an idea how to get that working? |
| 19:11.27 | jspiro | petemc: now down to 1MB. It is all relevant. OK? Should I gzip it? |
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| 19:12.01 | hargut | guilherme-jorge, maybe have a look at the boot options which are available on the etch install cd. |
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| 19:12.34 | jspiro | sylarr: wait. you already gave us a URL: http://www.oryarok.org.il/webfiles/fck/shinin.pdf -- right? so why did you say you couldn't give us a URL? |
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| 19:13.27 | sylarr | jspiro, we were talking about files that evince can't open or show correctly |
| 19:13.56 | sylarr | jspiro, the link http://www.oryarok.org.il/webfiles/fck/shinin.pdf is a file that crush epiphany |
| 19:14.18 | sylarr | jspiro, I think due to using acroread instead of evince |
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| 19:14.32 | jspiro | sylarr: why doesn't it work in evince? |
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| 19:15.31 | sylarr | jspiro, I don't know if it works or not in evince , since acroread is my default pdf app, so it doesnt ask me how to open it when i click it |
| 19:15.43 | sylarr | it just do something and crush |
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| 19:15.59 | sylarr | I can watch it via other web browsers though |
| 19:16.01 | jspiro | sylarr: save it to disk, then open it in evince. Does it display OK? |
| 19:16.20 | sylarr | jspiro, maybe |
| 19:16.29 | sylarr | jspiro, that isn't what I am after |
| 19:16.39 | sylarr | jspiro, I want epiphany to work |
| 19:16.40 | jspiro | all: my syslog is now trimmed down to 1MB. It is all relevant. OK? Should I gzip it before uploading it to my website and describing my problem? |
| 19:16.52 | jspiro | sylarr: try that first. Then we can try to help you with epiphany. |
| 19:17.38 | sylarr | jspiro, suppose yes |
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| 19:18.09 | hargut | jspiro: do you really think that someone will read 1mb of text? |
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| 19:20.43 | jspiro | hargut: I don't want them to read it, just to grep through it for the key 5 lines. |
| 19:20.53 | jspiro | hargut: but all the 1MB is relevant. |
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| 19:21.48 | jspiro | OK I am about to upload. Should I gzip it first? |
| 19:21.52 | hargut | jspiro: i don't think that all is relevant.. ;) |
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| 19:22.34 | hargut | jspiro: i woudn't zip it, because its more work to download/unzip for everyone who will/would read it. plain text is directly shown in the browser. |
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| 19:22.51 | jspiro | hargut: thanks. |
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| 19:24.09 | enriqueojedalara | hello everybody.. |
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| 19:25.05 | jspiro | enriqueojedalara: hi. next time please say "hi" then ask your question all on one long long line. :) |
| 19:25.35 | jspiro | all: When, as root, I type (echo disk > /sys/power/state) my lenny 2.6.26-1-686 SMP kernel usually suspends to disk fine. But today, I tried repeatedly and it fails to suspend. I get "echo: write error: Resource temporarily unavailable". |
| 19:25.45 | amee2k | Q: i'd like to to do for I in $(find ...); in a way that even works with filenames containing spaces. how would i do that? |
| 19:25.51 | jspiro | Syslog says something like "Freezing user space processes ... +0x104/0x112" then 2000 lines of call traces and debug information. Or "Freezing user space processes ... 219] ffffffff c012f487 00000ab1 00000000 c01603d4 00000000 00000246 c0131887 " then 2000 lines of such. Or other. |
| 19:25.52 | jspiro | See http://jspiro.com/files/irc/swsusp_problem_syslog.txt for some syslog that covers both previous days and today. Why isn't it working? Should I reboot and try it again? |
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| 19:27.17 | mick_laptop | CutMeOwnThroat: why would i not want to change the root username? |
| 19:27.49 | mick_laptop | it would be like changing the administrator on windows (which is a recommended security practice) |
| 19:28.18 | jspiro | mick_laptop: it is very uncommon to do it on Linux. are you a home user? |
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| 19:28.41 | amee2k | hm... well many people don't so the would get confused. |
| 19:28.55 | amee2k | kinda sounds like security through obscurity to me |
| 19:29.32 | amee2k | . o O ( iirc switching to *nix is recommended security practice on windows too... ) |
| 19:29.38 | jspiro | guilherme-jorge: any luck? |
| 19:29.46 | mick_laptop | jspiro: what do you mean by "home user" |
| 19:29.56 | jspiro | mick_laptop: are you at home? or school? or work? |
| 19:29.58 | hargut | jspiro: i don't really know how to interpret such call-traces, but these things are directly from the kernel. it would be interensting what could be read out from such an information in the syslog. |
| 19:30.03 | guilherme-jorge | jspiro: no |
| 19:30.08 | jspiro | hargut: they are also in kern.log |
| 19:30.12 | mick_laptop | jspiro: i'd like to do it at work and at home |
| 19:30.13 | simNIX | someona atacking will go for uid 0 even if its another name then root's new name will show in /etc/passwd |
| 19:30.17 | guilherme-jorge | jspiro: I tried to load ata_piix module, but no luck |
| 19:30.26 | mick_laptop | i use linux everywhere :-P |
| 19:30.43 | guilherme-jorge | jspiro: I saw this problem some months ago, but I didnt remember how I fixed that |
| 19:30.55 | jspiro | mick_laptop: if you are behind NAT, you shouldn't worry about security at home except to use good passwords and to "apt-get update" once a month. |
| 19:30.57 | amee2k | agreed. /etc/passwd is world-readable |
| 19:30.58 | guilherme-jorge | jspiro: Any idea? |
| 19:31.05 | jspiro | mick_laptop: and "apt-get upgrade" |
| 19:31.10 | mick_laptop | i'd imaging that as long as the uid is 0 -- i'd be fine if i rename it in /etc/passwd and make sure that the $HOME is in the right place |
| 19:31.12 | jspiro | guilherme-jorge: no idea. did you have any luck so far? |
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| 19:31.45 | simNIX | and it violates the kiss rule maybe ... |
| 19:31.48 | jspiro | mick_laptop: if you really care about security, do not rename root. Instead read "Practical Unix and Internet Security". |
| 19:31.57 | mick_laptop | jspiro: i disagree -- then again, i encrypt my drives, use good passphrases and i use gpg |
| 19:32.12 | hargut | jspiro: syslog and kern.log have often information in both files, (i think that kern.log is just the kernel log, and syslog is system+kernel log, which means in that files informations are twice available, but just one time relevant.) |
| 19:32.18 | Lagbolt | amee2k, use diff command . . maybe something like ---> find . -iname "*foo*" | while read i; do echo $i; done |
| 19:32.33 | Lagbolt | amee2k, that works with spaces for me |
| 19:32.36 | mick_laptop | ok, i know a good bit about security (i just never renamed root) -- just thought it would be a good idea |
| 19:32.44 | jspiro | mick_laptop: you are a home user. you are unlikely to be the target of serious adversaries. |
| 19:32.52 | jspiro | *at home you are unlikely |
| 19:32.55 | mick_laptop | i'm more talking about work |
| 19:33.05 | jspiro | mick_laptop: at work, you should not rename root either. |
| 19:33.17 | mick_laptop | jspiro: you don't know me, so you can't make a statement like that ;) |
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| 19:33.34 | mick_laptop | jspiro: you still haven't given me a good (technical) reason for that |
| 19:33.43 | Theoden | http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/madill48/MerryChristmas.png?t=1227640661 |
| 19:34.02 | jspiro | mick_laptop: yes, I am making assumptions that hold for the vast majority of debian users. For a technical reason, see what amee2000 and sim'NIX said. |
| 19:34.33 | jspiro | Theoden: are you a spammer? if not, please describe your picture to those of us without Xorg. |
| 19:35.26 | Theoden | jsaak: It's a screenshot of my current desktop. It is an artistic swirls of a xmas tree - gnome desktop. |
| 19:35.36 | Theoden | jsaak: And no - I am NOT a spammer. |
| 19:36.00 | amee2k | i could puke on the sight of OS X alone ... |
| 19:36.13 | Theoden | amee2k: Puke away |
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| 19:36.15 | mick_laptop | i missed what amee2000 said |
| 19:36.23 | jspiro | Theoden: ok :) The reason why I asked is because there are a lot of spammers on Freenode. |
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| 19:36.35 | Theoden | jsaak: np :) |
| 19:36.35 | mick_laptop | jspiro: i was looking through my client and i didn't find anything |
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| 19:36.41 | eflynn | I am trying to install etch. I got the Netinst CD, booted it, and it can't find the network card. It's an atheros, and I know it's supported in the linux kernel. Help. |
| 19:36.45 | jspiro | Theoden: <amee2k> agreed. /etc/passwd is world-readable |
| 19:36.49 | jspiro | oops |
| 19:36.50 | jspiro | mick_laptop: <amee2k> agreed. /etc/passwd is world-readable |
| 19:36.52 | testi__ | I want to recursively delete a folder following symlinks |
| 19:36.59 | mick_laptop | ok |
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| 19:37.04 | simNIX | eflynn, I for 2 weeks now run the Lenny testing |
| 19:37.13 | simNIX | it has lots more suported hardware |
| 19:37.27 | mick_laptop | still see no technical reason why not to rename it |
| 19:37.31 | testi__ | Can I do that with rm? If not is there a tool that can? Can I use dolphin or Konqueror, and how? |
| 19:37.39 | simNIX | on a thinkpad I had probs with etch w new lenny all hardware on that smoothly working |
| 19:37.40 | jspiro | mick_laptop: i will not help you with that issue anymore. Sorry. |
| 19:37.53 | mick_laptop | you actually didn't help me either |
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| 19:38.58 | simNIX | an open mind to sugetions helps if you want to be hleped ... |
| 19:39.01 | jspiro | hargut: is there another venue where I should try asking for help? Also, should I try rebooting then trying again? |
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| 19:40.43 | jspiro | guilherme-jorge: must you install from the internal CD drive? How about installing from USB? or Ubuntu livecd + debootstrap debian? or from a bootable USB key? or copy the contents of the CD to an ext3-formatted USB key then point debian-installer there? or install Ubuntu instead of Debian via wubi? |
| 19:41.07 | eflynn | simNIX, Ok i'll give that a try |
| 19:41.22 | simNIX | I used the daily build |
| 19:41.24 | jspiro | hargut: never mind. Must leave now for a doctor appointment. Thanks anyway. |
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| 19:41.32 | eflynn | simNIX, I am going to learn how to hack the shit out of debian anyway :) |
| 19:41.50 | testi__ | I want save a web page for offline viewing and it should be as aggressive as wget -r, however it should convert hyperlinks - how can i do that? |
| 19:42.20 | testi__ | Oh |
| 19:42.22 | testi__ | wget can |
| 19:42.23 | testi__ | sorry :D |
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| 19:43.11 | eflynn | testi__, good to know |
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| 19:43.14 | guilherme-jorge | jspiro: I just want to rescue a Debian instalation |
| 19:43.41 | simNIX | eflynn, daily build can be found at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - Debbian is realy a great choiche to hack it to your liking |
| 19:45.40 | amee2k | Lagbolt: thanks a lot :) |
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| 19:46.29 | Lagbolt | welcome |
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| 19:48.32 | Error4o4 | do you know some wiki about web server administration for non-expirienced users, like what things to look for, security, etc.. |
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| 19:50.32 | mhymn_ | wiki.debian.org |
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| 19:55.31 | mx7 | that is yet needed install ? |
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| 20:16.01 | kunwon1 | xfce keeps reverting my menu edits, sometimes after a few days have passed, what could cause this? |
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| 20:19.21 | Lionel_ | What is vconf and how we can trust it ? |
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| 20:23.27 | pen | is there a way to change irssi to display the line where last focus? |
| 20:23.30 | pen | like in xchat |
| 20:23.34 | kunwon1 | I had personalized my xfce menu because it was so filled with crap it was slowing down my whole desktop. I saved it in the default location, somewhere under ~/.config, don't remember exactly where. This was less than a week ago. I wake up this morning and find all my changes reverted, back tot he bloated menu. What could cause this? |
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| 20:24.20 | renton_ | hello, can i ask a question about bash scripting? |
| 20:24.27 | SHAGGSTa1R | I doubt the contents of the menu were slowing your desktop down. The file is only read whenever you open the menu. |
| 20:24.40 | kunwon1 | SHAGGSTa1R, irrelevant |
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| 20:25.02 | kunwon1 | I just want my personalized menu back, or otherwise, to figure out where it went |
| 20:25.05 | SHAGGSTa1R | renton_: Well you just asked whether you could ask a question, so you've hit your "1 question in #debian per day" limit I'm afraid. |
| 20:25.41 | SHAGGSTa1R | It'll be xfce thinking it knows better than you do. Do it again, make a backup copy |
| 20:26.00 | SHAGGSTa1R | if the problem persists you might want to automate replacing the menu file with your personalised backup |
| 20:26.04 | kunwon1 | How do I disable that behavior in Xfce? |
| 20:26.15 | SHAGGSTa1R | I've not a clue, as its something I have a problem with too |
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| 20:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | SHAGGSTa1R, hehe |
| 20:29.12 | guysoft422 | hey, is there a way to compile a package, and all its dependencies in debian? |
| 20:29.16 | renton_ | anyway, i have a bash script, in this bash script, i run in the background a executable XYZ (on which i have no control) and i get its pid with $!, then my script sleep for N seconds.. after N seconds if that executable XYZ is still running, i should kill -9 it. The problem is that if I look for that pid after N seconds, maybe XYZ finished correctly its execution.. but another process spawned, and maybe it get the same pid.... so, how can I be notified XYZ |
| 20:29.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | SHAGGSTa1R, guess he can extend the limit with answering questions? :) |
| 20:29.51 | guysoft422 | i want to compile something for maemo, and it requires the compilation of a lot of other things.. |
| 20:30.05 | SHAGGSTa1R | guysoft: download the other things |
| 20:30.08 | SHAGGSTa1R | install them |
| 20:30.18 | SHAGGSTa1R | configure and make your package again |
| 20:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | renton_, and actually #bash will be much more competent in answering (there's probably even an example for that in the bash FAQ) |
| 20:30.20 | SHAGGSTa1R | ????? |
| 20:30.21 | SHAGGSTa1R | profit |
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| 20:30.39 | renton_ | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 20:30.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | renton_, which is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ here |
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| 20:31.06 | guysoft422 | SHAGGSTa1R, but it seems to be handling it like a complete new architecture.. needs all the things from scratch |
| 20:31.14 | SHAGGSTa1R | renton_: It'd also help if you posted your script to a pastebin so anyone trying to help can do a better job |
| 20:31.36 | SHAGGSTa1R | guysoft422: You might have everything it needs already installed, but the package is looking for different versions |
| 20:31.48 | SHAGGSTa1R | in which case it would probably be easier to get a statically compiled version |
| 20:31.52 | SHAGGSTa1R | and with that, I'm afk. |
| 20:32.12 | guysoft422 | but needs a deb package. |
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| 20:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | renton_, and it's highly unlikely that a process spawns with the same PID - PID numbers increase until their maximum value is reached, then they start over from 2 - so there is generally a long time in between processes using the same PID |
| 20:35.28 | cpbills | is there a way to display the most recently installed packages with dpkg or something? |
| 20:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | renton_, faq entry 42 might explain some ( http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ/042 ) |
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| 20:36.35 | renton_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, that's still that problem of a process eventually spawning with the previous process id |
| 20:36.54 | renton_ | CutMeOwnThroat: faq 68 is exactly about my question |
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| 20:37.29 | renton_ | but it talks about two programs: "doalarm" and "timeout", are they already availabe in some debian official package? |
| 20:37.44 | kunwon1 | I had personalized my xfce menu, removed a lot of duplicates. I saved it in the default location, somewhere under ~/.config, don't remember exactly where. This was less than a week ago. I wake up this morning and find all my changes reverted, back to the bloated menu. What could cause this? |
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| 20:39.33 | Skiessi | lmms package could be updated :P |
| 20:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | renton_, doalarm can also be the function defined in that entry (which runs perl - perl should be installed) - you can compile them from the link or search for them in debian (/msg dpkg search for how to find if any package hass a file of known name) |
| 20:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | (timeout is in the timeout package, doalarm is not in debian is what I just looked up - feel free to look yourself) |
| 20:40.59 | renton_ | yes |
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| 20:42.32 | renton_ | CutMeOwnThroat: timeout package seems to be able solve my troubles. thanks |
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| 20:50.40 | enouf | cpbills: try looking at /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:50.51 | cpbills | ok |
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| 20:51.45 | cpbills | shows what was installed, but not the dependencies, it seems. |
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| 21:10.55 | shadfc | anyone know of a way to measure the reads/writes to a md device? I'd like to get a munin plugin going for that |
| 21:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal CyberGabber |
| 21:11.50 | dpkg | points at CyberGabber and laughs uproariously |
| 21:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | shadfc, ha, do you know a way for a normal hd or sd one? |
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| 21:14.14 | sylarr | how does the gtk source package is called |
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| 21:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | shadfc, how about collectd |
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| 21:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylarr, what do you mean |
| 21:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | libgtk2.0-0? |
| 21:16.17 | sylarr | I want to see the source of gdk/gdkx.h |
| 21:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 21:16.30 | dpkg | somebody said apt-file was a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 21:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as a header, that's probably in a something-dev file |
| 21:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | libgtk1.2-dev or libgtk2.0-dev |
| 21:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, as it's probably already installed, you can also search with dlocate |
| 21:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !search |
| 21:17.38 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 21:17.42 | simonrvn | !tell sylarr -about search |
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| 21:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late, I already spammed |
| 21:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( but it's all so quiet ) |
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| 21:24.10 | themill | dpkg, have you got anything without spam |
| 21:24.10 | dpkg | Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it |
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| 21:25.14 | dpkg | just great, sk4 |
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| 21:26.07 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, sk4 |
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| 21:30.47 | cire | what is /lib/init/rw for? Can't find any information about that. |
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| 21:35.05 | \amethyst | cire: it's intended to be a writable filesystem that is available early (before filesystems are mounted) |
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| 21:35.44 | \amethyst | cire: since early in the boot process /var might not be mounted yet, and the root filesystem might be read-only |
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| 21:37.13 | jhamlin | Hey folks, I'm editing a file that is on a smbfs mounted drive. If anyone else edits the file, I can no longer write to the file with kile (latex text editor). However I can still edit the file with for example vim... or I can delete the file from eg konqueror or command line). How can I make it so that kile can still edit the file after someone else has touched it?? |
| 21:38.13 | enouf | cpbills: well apt-cache depends <pkgname> can help with that - please /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 21:40.04 | magnetron | jhamlin→ make sure you mount the share as CIFS instead of smbfs. smbfs is in practice deprecated in favor of CIFS, and a lot of bugs in smbfs doesn't exist in cifs |
| 21:40.57 | \amethyst | maybe kile overwrites the file while vim moves the old one out of the way and creates a new one? |
| 21:41.54 | enouf | cire: ~$ rgrep 'lib/init' /etc/init.d/* might seem like fun |
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| 21:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | how does "no longer write to the file with kile" manifest itself? |
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| 21:44.55 | cpbills | enouf: seriously? rtfm for something that's likely not listed anywhere? big help. |
| 21:45.33 | jhamlin | CutMeOwnThroat: if I try to save it gives me an error dialog about not being able to write to the file perhaps because the disk is full (it's not) or I do not have permission. |
| 21:48.59 | enouf | cpbills: you asked about how to display most recently installed pkgs, i answered .. then you asked a further query |
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| 21:49.28 | enouf | cpbills: do you expect me to hold your hand through this process? |
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| 21:49.54 | cpbills | enouf: when i consider installed packages i consider all the packages installed, when the package was installed, that were dependencies. for some strange reason, those are not listed in the dpkg.log |
| 21:50.56 | cpbills | i don't expect a hand-holding. i expect an answer, IF someone knew it off the top of their head. |
| 21:51.01 | enouf | cpbills: why would the dependencies be? Which release of debian are you running? |
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| 21:51.42 | enouf | if dpkg.log isn't helpful, say so upfront |
| 21:51.43 | cpbills | enouf: because the deps weren't installed at the time the package was installed. they were installed at the same time the base package was installed. they aren't listed in dpkg.log, only the one that was installed with apt-get install. |
| 21:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, windows has the capability to lock files - but I don't see how vim could ignore that |
| 21:52.53 | cpbills | i figured maybe dpkg would have an option to sort the output of dpkg -l in the order they were installed, some sort of timestamp on when the package was installed on a system. |
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| 21:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, can I just copy an iso image to an usb drive partition to get something bootable of is that a naive way of thinking? |
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| 21:54.54 | enouf | hey bozo - which release are you running? |
| 21:55.07 | cpbills | etch |
| 21:55.32 | cahoot | CutMeOwnThroat: it is |
| 21:56.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I feared so |
| 21:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, is there a one-liner telling me what to do, or will it need a bit more work? |
| 21:58.05 | cahoot | CutMeOwnThroat: googl for unetbootin |
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| 22:00.29 | enouf | cpbills: did you use apt-get or aptitude or another method? dpkg-query and grep-dctrl might provide useful |
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| 22:02.50 | adiais | Just happened.. Stephenson justified.... http://pastebin.ca/1267001 |
| 22:04.06 | cpbills | enouf: i'll look into those. i did an apt-get install, and there were a few dependencies that were added... *shrug* |
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| 22:07.49 | enouf | cpbills: the reason i ask is that in lenny/testing, a newer updated version of apt-get defaults to the same behaviour that aptitude did/does - ie; automatically installs "Recommends", however one can disable that in /etc/apt/apt.d/NN-filename (IIRC) |
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| 22:08.05 | cpbills | enouf: 'ls -lt /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | head' works pretty well |
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| 22:08.49 | enouf | cpbills: the changelogs for all detail it - but i personally find apt-show-versions, and apt-listchanges useful |
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| 22:09.10 | enouf | cpbills: righto ... |
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| 22:09.21 | enouf | or just | less |
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| 22:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, hm, should that go to /dev/sdg or /dev/sdg1 then? |
| 22:10.11 | cpbills | true, depending on how many packages or what time frame you're looking for... thanks for the help |
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| 22:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I get the impression that for an iso image it's just copying the stuff?) |
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| 22:11.31 | cahoot | ASUI you need make the device bootable unless you dd the img to the 'whole thing' - but I may be wrong |
| 22:13.16 | chemmmm | anyone know about ircd-hybrid? im trying to get it to run on my lan but keep getting connection refused....I have went through the config file |
| 22:13.38 | Administrador | hi I had instaled debian from de netinst cd. Just basic installation because it hangs me off. Then i istalled with aptitude the x group of packages and the gnome group too. But when i restart my pc only can see vertical lines from diferent colours. I supose i have to configure Xorg But How? |
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| 22:15.38 | yak | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:15.39 | Administrador | i was reading about xorg, x11 but still i cant understand the way to do this? |
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| 22:16.06 | yak | emacs .../X11.xorg.conf |
| 22:16.36 | yak | i duno/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:16.48 | Administrador | yak ok and what information do i need? |
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| 22:17.22 | yak | there are an error output, but |
| 22:18.35 | Administrador | Normally when using live cd i choose xvesa because xorg fails very often in my pc |
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| 22:19.00 | yak | i dont know whats the kind of config...my problem was the usb mouse... |
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| 22:21.55 | donspaulding | How would I go about installing a package to a specific location. Specifically, I want to install postgresql's data files to somewhere other than /var |
| 22:22.35 | Administrador | It happens to me that the mouse doesn`t work but these times i disconected it and conected again with the pc turnes on (both things ) and it becames to work ok. |
| 22:22.52 | Kobaz | donspaulding: easyest way is to symlink |
| 22:23.10 | Administrador | Sometimes i had to change the jack from port. Others not |
| 22:23.12 | Kobaz | donspaulding: the other way is to recompile postgres |
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| 22:23.29 | donspaulding | Kobaz: interesting, so like to just symlink /var/lib/postgresql to /where/ever/I/want/it ? |
| 22:23.34 | Kobaz | donspaulding: yeah |
| 22:23.36 | yak | modprobe mousedev |
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| 22:23.41 | yak | modprobe usmouse |
| 22:23.51 | donspaulding | hadn't even considered an option so easy |
| 22:23.52 | yak | *usbmouse |
| 22:23.53 | Kobaz | donspaulding: and just make sure that /some/other/dir is mounted before postgres starts... ie: not a network drive or something |
| 22:24.04 | donspaulding | Kobaz: right, thanks. |
| 22:25.14 | yak | its that/(faulty keyboard, so '/' ) |
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| 22:26.58 | yak | is it the problem/ |
| 22:27.01 | bouba_ | hi all. i've a problem. i should use make-dpkg to compile a new kernel, but with this command i cant' install nvidia driver. how can i replace the old "mkinitrd"? thanks |
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| 22:27.44 | acutedeath | i just compiled a kernel for the first time. I'm trying to use 'mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-.2.6.27 2.6.27', but I get errors. Is there something I should know, offhand? |
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| 22:28.04 | acutedeath | specifically, cp: cannot stat (bunch of hex) |
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| 22:30.48 | acutedeath | or, alternatively, can I avoid generating an rd at all? |
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| 22:31.50 | stimpie | I just tried to install cacti but the mysql database is not created, running dpkg-reconfigure does give me 'the db questions' but nothing gets installed |
| 22:34.07 | Asymmetry | stimpie, I'm guessing that there's no /var/lib/mysql? |
| 22:34.22 | xtr | looking for java help: debian etch trying to install jre 6u10 amd64 getting error:line 363: ./install.sfx.24903: No such file or directory |
| 22:34.42 | stimpie | Asymmetry, mysql is installed and running |
| 22:34.52 | Asymmetry | stimpie, then what's the problem? |
| 22:35.02 | Asymmetry | stimpie, Oh, the cacti database. |
| 22:35.04 | stimpie | the cacti database is not created |
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| 22:35.32 | Bacta | Hi, where is my startup script given I'm on a multi-user machine? |
| 22:35.56 | stimpie | Bacta, depends on your shell |
| 22:36.05 | Bacta | bash |
| 22:36.06 | Asymmetry | stimpie, what questions does the cacti install ask? |
| 22:36.08 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know whether most email systems are configured to still deliver emails that were delayed for one reason or another by three weeks? |
| 22:36.22 | Asymmetry | Bacta, startup script for your user, or for the machine? |
| 22:36.26 | Bacta | user |
| 22:36.29 | stimpie | Bacta, look for .bash_rc in your home dir |
| 22:37.05 | stimpie | Asymmetry, it ask for database administrator (not the password) and the cacti db+user |
| 22:37.08 | Bacta | wonderful :) thank you |
| 22:38.03 | stimpie | it looks like its trying an upgrade instead of a fresh install |
| 22:38.40 | Asymmetry | stimpie, It's asking for the password for the DB admin. |
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| 22:39.13 | stimpie | Asymmetry, its not asking for the password |
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| 22:39.28 | Asymmetry | stimpie, Okay, I'm a liar. I just ran the install. I suggest you re-run dpkg-reconf, and READ it. |
| 22:39.32 | Bacta | Ouch, it now starts the app I want to run on startup everytime I open the Terminal :( |
| 22:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, that wants to reboot my machine |
| 22:41.04 | acutedeath | Bacta: edit bash_profile instead |
| 22:41.17 | acutedeath | Bacta: i think that will only run for login shells |
| 22:41.25 | acutedeath | err .bash_profile |
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| 22:42.00 | Bacta | done, so now everytime I login the terminal will popup and start my app? |
| 22:42.03 | stimpie | Asymmetry, I have read everything but it does not asks for a mysql admin password |
| 22:42.30 | Asymmetry | stimpie, Then you're not reading. I just installed the cacti package, and the first thing it asked me was "What's the database administrator's password?" |
| 22:43.09 | Asymmetry | stimpie, Actually, that was dbconfig-common that was running that... |
| 22:43.42 | Asymmetry | stimpie, When it runs, does dbconfig-common run? |
| 22:44.09 | stimpie | output: dbconfig-common: writing config to /etc/dbconfig-common/cacti.conf |
| 22:44.14 | stimpie | so I assume yes |
| 22:44.30 | Asymmetry | stimpie, Well, the first thing that dbconfig-common does is ask for the db admin password. |
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| 22:44.42 | stimpie | here it doesnt :-( |
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| 22:45.28 | Asymmetry | stimpie, Paste of dbconfig-common prompt: Password of your database's administrative user: |
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| 22:46.04 | Asymmetry | stimpie, aptitude purge cacti, then aptitude install cacti |
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| 22:47.49 | stimpie | Asymmetry, now it does ask for password |
| 22:48.08 | stimpie | Asymmetry, great everything looks fine now |
| 22:48.13 | stimpie | thanks |
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| 22:50.00 | mooperd1 | how do I test for swapping? |
| 22:50.33 | petemc | !am i swapping |
| 22:50.33 | dpkg | run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
| 22:50.34 | Big-E | Watch top? |
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| 22:51.32 | acutedeath | when compiling the kernel on my amd64 system, the resulting arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is just a symlink to the x86 image. I think this might be why my mkinitrd fails. what do i need to differently to get a proper x64 image? |
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| 22:52.12 | kghunt | how can i run debian 4 with no gui |
| 22:52.30 | stew | kghunt: do you have debian currently installed which boots up into a graphical login? |
| 22:52.32 | petemc | acutedeath: mkinitrd is deprecated, you should use mkinitramfs |
| 22:52.39 | kghunt | yes |
| 22:52.42 | stew | kghunt: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 22:52.53 | kghunt | what does that do? |
| 22:53.16 | stew | kghunt: if you type that into your irc client, it triggers the bot here named 'dpkg' to give you info about how to make the graphical login go away |
| 22:53.26 | acutedeath | petemc: thank you. I thought I was doing something wrong. but shouldn't i get a real amd64 image? |
| 22:53.50 | petemc | acutedeath: i dont use amd64, no idea |
| 22:53.56 | acutedeath | ok, thanks |
| 22:54.10 | stew | acutedeath: the reason mkinitrd fails si that it depends on devfs, which was removed starting in 2.6.13 |
| 22:54.46 | kghunt | dpkg nodm |
| 22:54.47 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:54.48 | acutedeath | stew: ok. I've never used any of this stuff before |
| 22:55.36 | stew | acutedeath: we'd recommend using make-kpkg when compiling your kenrel, and include the '--initrd' option if you are building a kenrel that would require an inird, which would make an initrd be automatically created when you install the kernel: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:56.10 | kghunt | dpkg says to uninstall xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm |
| 22:56.10 | dpkg | kghunt: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:56.17 | acutedeath | stew: this is the sort of info I could have used hours ago. thanks bunches |
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| 22:58.40 | X0op | hello , does have /home/user/tmp relationship with /tmp |
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| 23:00.38 | thesnark | what package would I find if_dl.h in? |
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| 23:00.51 | valdyn | !tell thesnark -about search |
| 23:01.02 | vlt | Hello. What is the best way to let rdiff-backup on Debian Etch work with a higher version (1.1.15) on a remote machine? Any idea? |
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| 23:01.25 | thesnark | vlt tried and got no results |
| 23:01.26 | petemc | look for a backported version of rdiff-backup, probably |
| 23:01.38 | thesnark | all I know is that it's supposed to be with the net headers |
| 23:01.49 | thesnark | and for some reason it isnt |
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| 23:01.58 | valdyn | !find if_dl.h |
| 23:02.32 | vlt | petemcm, thesnark: Thanks |
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| 23:03.44 | valdyn | thesnark: why would it be there? |
| 23:04.09 | \amethyst | if_dl.h is a BSD header isn't it? |
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| 23:04.30 | thesnark | shrugs. Is it? |
| 23:04.55 | kghunt | ok i uninstalled gdm and login.app and ran "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" but it still booted into gnome |
| 23:04.56 | thesnark | I figured it wasn't because most net headers were written for lin as well |
| 23:05.02 | valdyn | uh |
| 23:05.13 | Asymmetry | kghunt, chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 23:05.28 | valdyn | its defenitely bsd |
| 23:05.32 | valdyn | http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/net/if_dl.h.html |
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| 23:06.06 | valdyn | guess src/sys refers to its kernel headers |
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| 23:07.23 | \amethyst | Linux uses sockaddr_ll (linux/if_packet.h) instead of sockaddr_dl, and the structures (and probably related syscalls) are not the same |
| 23:07.31 | \amethyst | so this software is going to need porting |
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| 23:08.17 | thesnark | sigh |
| 23:08.21 | kghunt | asymmetry, that did not do anything but then it did not error do i need to reboot? |
| 23:08.32 | valdyn | thesnark: what kind of tool is this? |
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| 23:09.22 | evilsporkman1 | how do you tell what symbols a shared object file (so) exports? grep is most unsatisfying |
| 23:09.34 | thesnark | valdyn I'm trying to build the newest version fo wpa_supplicant because I figured I could get my broadcom wifi card working with it |
| 23:09.48 | amphi | evilsporkman1: nm if I recall correctly |
| 23:10.00 | joeytwiddle | evilsporkman1: ldd works on executables |
| 23:10.05 | evilsporkman1 | amphi: seems to have worked |
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| 23:10.05 | Asymmetry | kghunt, Yes. |
| 23:10.09 | valdyn | thesnark: sounds like its ./configure script thinks youre on bsd |
| 23:10.15 | evilsporkman1 | wish i knew JNI |
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| 23:10.22 | lgbr | did ntp-server merge into ntp? |
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| 23:10.24 | kghunt | how do i get x windows back if i want it? |
| 23:10.28 | kghunt | startx ? |
| 23:10.37 | \amethyst | evilsporkman1: nm -D |
| 23:10.43 | \amethyst | evilsporkman1: or objdump -T |
| 23:10.51 | kghunt | not that i will be doing it often |
| 23:11.08 | valdyn | thesnark: you might want to install the linux-libc-dev anyway |
| 23:11.57 | evilsporkman1 | yeah I found the problem; my function is a local symbol instead of global for some reason |
| 23:12.27 | valdyn | thesnark: but maybe youre just trying to compile a wpasupplicant program that just never worked on linux |
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| 23:13.06 | thesnark | valdyn yeah it's definitely possible |
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| 23:14.09 | sladi | kghunt: yes |
| 23:14.32 | \amethyst | thesnark: try apt-get build-dep wpasupplicant, remove the config.cache, and try configuring again |
| 23:15.10 | \amethyst | thesnark: it may be that it couldn't find some Linux headers and fell back to trying the use the BSD ones... though that doesn't sound right |
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| 23:16.24 | ringo999 | do i have to install a special package to get xmms2 to add flac files to the mlib? |
| 23:16.35 | thesnark | this is really odd. Now it's saying it can't find typedefs.h and I'm pretty sure I have the c++ stl installed |
| 23:16.39 | DeVilSoulBlacK | Hi all !! |
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| 23:16.52 | \amethyst | ringo999: xmms2-plugin-flac maybe? |
| 23:17.13 | \amethyst | ringo999: or even xmms2-plugin-all |
| 23:17.15 | PinkFreud | DeVilSoulBlacK: uhm. could you please not use /me to send simple messages? |
| 23:17.43 | valdyn | why would typedefs.h be a c++ file? |
| 23:17.46 | DeVilSoulBlacK | ok PinkFreud |
| 23:17.49 | ringo999 | amphi: i was looking for xmms2-plugin-flac but couldnt find it, installed xmms2-plugin-all |
| 23:17.53 | ringo999 | amphi: using lenny |
| 23:18.04 | thesnark | valdyn I thought typedefs.h was a header in the stl |
| 23:18.18 | amphi | ringo999: did I speak about this previously? |
| 23:18.25 | ringo999 | amphi: sorry, its installed |
| 23:18.54 | ringo999 | amphi: but still it doesnt seem to add flac files to the mlib ;-( |
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| 23:19.10 | ringo999 | i put the flac files in the music folder that i added and call rehash |
| 23:19.19 | amphi | I know nothing about xmms2 - why are you telling me this? ;) |
| 23:19.23 | thesnark | gah great, a generic header file name. |
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| 23:20.06 | valdyn | thesnark: why? im sure its looking for something like config/typedefs.h or similar, thats hardly generic |
| 23:20.44 | thesnark | google says it is looking for <typedefs.h> |
| 23:20.46 | ringo999 | amphi: sorry wrong user ;-) |
| 23:20.57 | amphi | ringo999: ;) |
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| 23:21.02 | thesnark | valdyn http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/devel-0.4/driver__broadcom_8c.html |
| 23:21.04 | ringo999 | amphi: it's been a long day... |
| 23:21.30 | valdyn | thesnark: debian has no <typedefs.h> for all i can see |
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| 23:22.13 | themill | thesnark: what is meant by <typedefs.h> depends on what arguments are given as -I to g++. What's the actual g++ command that's failing? |
| 23:22.38 | thesnark | yeah one second....it's kind of a lot.... |
| 23:22.46 | themill | !pastebin |
| 23:22.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:23.08 | valdyn | or he could just do what he got told earlier: 00:13 < \amethyst> thesnark: try apt-get build-dep wpasupplicant |
| 23:23.24 | themill | yeah well... why recompile it anyway? |
| 23:23.39 | thesnark | valdyn tried it |
| 23:23.48 | themill | reads further into scrollback |
| 23:24.10 | thesnark | http://paste.debian.net/22253/ |
| 23:24.23 | thesnark | themill debian's version is too out of date for what I want to do |
| 23:25.27 | themill | thesnark: that's only a warning |
| 23:25.56 | thesnark | themill the program convenient fails to compile right after that warning |
| 23:26.00 | thesnark | conveniently* |
| 23:26.12 | thesnark | so it is my main suspect |
| 23:26.14 | themill | thesnark: then please pastebin the entire output... don't make us guess things |
| 23:26.27 | thesnark | ok sorry one minute |
| 23:26.32 | themill | thesnark: ESP-over-ethernet is fairly imprecise still |
| 23:27.17 | PinkFreud | themill: nonsense. It's outright broken. |
| 23:27.17 | PinkFreud | :) |
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| 23:27.27 | thesnark | http://paste.debian.net/22254/ |
| 23:28.08 | ponyofdeath | hi, for some reason when i compile apache2 from source and then i do ldd on the httpd bin i get alot of libs for options/modules i didnt enable or specifically disable like ssl and ldap? can someone help me out please? |
| 23:28.35 | themill | thesnark: you're right... those files missing is causing the problem. But they look like they are part of the wpasupplicant source |
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| 23:42.19 | Blur_ | hi i have a question about GPL licencie ( sorry for my english ) i want to make to a X buisnes, a program useing GPL licencie. my question is, at the time i want to distribute the source, do i have to give the source of my program to anybody, or i just can give the code to the X buissnes ? |
| 23:42.24 | Blur_ | sorry again for my english |
| 23:42.58 | Blur_ | just to the buissnes, to nobody else. |
| 23:43.37 | epsilon | doesn't crae, cause your business partner can offer the modified source ia internet under GPL |
| 23:44.43 | Blur_ | Ok, but what about my question ? if someone ask to my source, can i refuse the ask ? |
| 23:45.11 | epsilon | only if you use the modified code internally |
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| 23:47.32 | Blur_ | I don't understand very much, my question is, if i can refuse to give my source to X people, i will give anytime the buisness ask me, but other people, can come to me and i can refuse the asking ? |
| 23:47.37 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I musta messed something up, because I recompiled my kernel to use ondemand by default, I thought that meant I could get rid of the cpufreq controls stuff that is installed. I assumed the kernel would take care of loading acpi_cpufreq module. However, upon boot acpi_cpufreq module isn't being loaded. I have to modprobe it myself, and then the correct default governor is applied. |
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| 23:48.11 | oOarthurOo | Now, I could try and find the package to install that I removed... or I could just add modprobe acpi_cpufreq in rc.local but I'm wondering if there is a third way? |
| 23:48.47 | oOarthurOo | A more debian way, using sysvinit or some such? |
| 23:49.13 | themill | oOarthurOo: /etc/modules |
| 23:49.45 | krypnos | Blur_: Not really a debian question, but my understanding is anyone who asks for it. Might want to talk to the OSI |
| 23:49.53 | oOarthurOo | themill: perfect and perfectly simple. Thank you. |
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| 23:50.04 | themill | np |
| 23:51.07 | oOarthurOo | I have this complete irrational desire to keep the number of installed packages under 700. |
| 23:51.08 | krypnos | Blur_: or look at http://www.gnu.org |
| 23:51.12 | Blur_ | I know is not a debian question, but in debian everybody know everything :P |
| 23:51.33 | krypnos | oOarthurOo: Wow, mine is 1000. |
| 23:51.49 | krypnos | oOarthurOo: I only to the net installs. |
| 23:52.38 | micols | anybody good at procmail recpies ? |
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| 23:54.46 | oOarthurOo | krypnos: The key is building up from a minimal system, never using meta-packages like xorg, and disabling install recommends automatically. It takes a long time though, and stuff breaks frequently. But once its setup and you stop tweaking it means having a clean, lean system. With fewer updates even when running Testing. |
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| 23:56.06 | streuner | micols: just ask, if somebody can help s(he) surely help |
| 23:57.25 | streuner | Channel Nutzer Thema |
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| 23:57.33 | streuner | only 10 users, hm |
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