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| 00:04.18 | adb | oOarthurOo: btw , how we may count installed packages ? |
| 00:04.21 | Administrador | how i stop x when they'r running? |
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| 00:09.00 | oOarthurOo | adb: There is probably an easier way, but I just run aptitude in a terminal and it tells you how many packages you have installed. |
| 00:09.03 | streuner | Admins: if you start X via DM, just kill that |
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| 00:09.40 | adb | oOarthurOo: thank you |
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| 00:15.32 | click170 | Hey can someone point me to documentation on the Debian bug where the hard drive id (sda, sdb, etc) is altered when a new drive is added? I've been googling but can't find it. |
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| 00:17.07 | naught103 | anyone know when kde4.2beta1 will be in the repos/ |
| 00:17.09 | naught103 | ? |
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| 00:25.46 | PMT | world, I'm having a bug with lenny and domUs flooding with "Time went backwards" - a quick round of google hasn't found anything, so is there anything obvious I should know before I file a bug? |
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| 00:32.47 | Octalot | PMT - is your machine set up with NTP (network time protocol), and if so is it set up right? |
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| 00:34.10 | PMT | Octalot, no. |
| 00:34.19 | PMT | Fascinatingly, I've since discovered something more exciting. |
| 00:34.36 | PMT | The reason time is going "backwards" in the Xen domU is that the xen timesource is not moving forward, at all. |
| 00:34.52 | PMT | It is stuck at a given time - if you change it to be a newer timestamp, it resets, but then stays at that time. |
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| 00:35.15 | PMT | e.g. if you change it to be "Tue Nov 25 19:00:00 -0500", it'll go to that, but the seconds will never tick. |
| 00:35.28 | PMT | Changing to the "jiffies" timesource is a viable workaround, but horrible. |
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| 00:36.42 | Sargun | Does debian have a local.start? |
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| 00:37.02 | PMT | rc.local? |
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| 00:38.37 | stoned | hola boyos |
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| 00:38.55 | PMT | hola |
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| 00:39.26 | stoned | we decided to not convert pdf's to html and let client side browser plugin or 3rd party handle it |
| 00:39.58 | stoned | its an etch server they want to keep it purely debian, and if nothing is pacakged serverside pdf to html conversion they wont' want to bother with it |
| 00:40.03 | stoned | good, less work for me |
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| 00:41.58 | stoned | streuner, ping |
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| 00:43.42 | JNelson | My 66MHZ CPU outperfroms all of your CPUS combined |
| 00:44.53 | JNelson | my 66Mhz can execute 593284903284902389048329048 Instructions per clock cycle |
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| 00:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, my silence pays off |
| 00:46.26 | stoned | np: (Decapitated) (Nihility) (Spheres of madness) (Brutal Deathmetal) (5:15m) (2002) (6/6) |
| 00:46.29 | stoned | oh |
| 00:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | receives the didn't-feed-the-troll-award |
| 00:46.33 | stoned | man oops! |
| 00:46.37 | stoned | my bad... |
| 00:47.01 | netdaemon | his cpu wasn't enough to maintain his connection apparently |
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| 00:47.31 | dustybin | ncftp is pretty dam useful |
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| 00:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the connection timed out when he waited >15 seconds because that was alread 10^12 CPU cycles - more than any sensible conversation should go |
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| 00:48.23 | stoned | man |
| 00:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/cycles/instructions/ |
| 00:48.28 | stoned | you can't give yourself an award |
| 00:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, try that command in a shell |
| 00:48.30 | stoned | wth |
| 00:48.31 | stoned | :) |
| 00:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man" I mean |
| 00:48.42 | stoned | lol |
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| 00:48.51 | stoned | $>man |
| 00:48.51 | stoned | What manual page do you want? |
| 00:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't work in IRC |
| 00:49.12 | stoned | what if there is no diff between the two |
| 00:49.15 | netdaemon | !man |
| 00:49.15 | dpkg | [man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 00:49.23 | stoned | what if the shell itself acts like an irc client |
| 00:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | cute |
| 00:49.24 | stoned | ;) |
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| 00:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | in this age of emancipation, there should be a command "woman" as well |
| 00:50.43 | dustybin | Number concerning the next release: 174 |
| 00:50.46 | dustybin | my lord |
| 00:50.57 | Sling | CutMeOwnThroat : make an alias |
| 00:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it'd probably just bitch about that your home directory is a mess and that you didn't do things properly.... |
| 00:51.00 | stoned | yeh |
| 00:51.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ducks |
| 00:51.04 | stoned | you wanna ask a man about 'woman' |
| 00:51.08 | stoned | tard ;) |
| 00:51.18 | stoned | men don't know shit about women |
| 00:51.20 | stoned | :) |
| 00:51.32 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, hahaha |
| 00:51.38 | stoned | thas aewsome |
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| 00:53.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it would answer you something different everytime you called it with the same parameters |
| 00:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, apt-file search woman|grep emacs |
| 00:54.03 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: parameters or arguments? |
| 00:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | arguments! |
| 00:54.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | lots of them |
| 00:54.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it would start them all on it's own without apparent reason |
| 00:54.48 | kunwon1 | I have a directory full of text files, I want to append a single line to all of them.. what's the best way to do this? |
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| 00:55.28 | \amethyst | kunwon1: 1. make a backup. 2. for file in directory/*; do echo 'The line' >> "$file"; done |
| 00:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | for i in *.txt ; echo line >> $i; done |
| 00:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 00:55.50 | kunwon1 | thanks :D I was thinking it might be a for loop |
| 00:55.52 | lgbr | What's the preferred method of centralized logins for debian? |
| 00:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dis guy typz fazt |
| 00:55.57 | Lagbolt | that might cause trouble if there are spaces in the file names |
| 00:56.05 | \amethyst | Lagbolt: that's why I quoted mine :) |
| 00:56.07 | kunwon1 | no spaces |
| 00:56.09 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 00:56.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
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| 00:56.52 | Lagbolt | ls *.txt | while read FILE; do echo "line" >> $FILE; done |
| 00:56.53 | Lagbolt | heehee |
| 00:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would cause problem with spaces |
| 00:58.02 | \amethyst | you don't say :) |
| 00:58.09 | stoned | I always wanted to modify make to output upon 'make love' to say "Can't make love. Too many arguments." |
| 00:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,the master of canny repartee |
| 00:58.13 | stoned | hehe |
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| 00:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, /msg dpkg woman for the manpage |
| 00:58.30 | stoned | word |
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| 00:59.27 | \amethyst | Lagbolt: how about ls *.txt | xargs sed -i '$aline' |
| 00:59.32 | \amethyst | Lagbolt: even worse :) |
| 01:00.40 | Lagbolt | hell yeah |
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| 01:01.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | find . -type f -exec bash -c 'echo yourline >> {}' \; |
| 01:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, still spaces |
| 01:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | find . -type f -exec bash -c 'echo yourline >> "{}"' \; |
| 01:02.47 | gewt | Is there even libfetch/libdownlaod for debian... |
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| 01:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't seem so |
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| 01:03.44 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: might still have quoting issues because of the multiple levels of quoting |
| 01:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell gewt -about search |
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| 01:03.58 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: -exec bash -c 'echo yourline >> "$1"' _ {} \; maybe |
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| 01:04.14 | mikyra | for i in *; do echo line >> "$i"; done |
| 01:04.36 | pkcahier | find . -type f -iname '*.txt' | while read line; do echo "line" >> "$line"; done |
| 01:04.36 | pkcahier | less trouble. |
| 01:04.59 | mikyra | "$i" should do the trick with spaces |
| 01:05.13 | pkcahier | I find that using a while read loop piped after a find is usually best to deal with all weird chars & spaces situations. |
| 01:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, as \amethyst already did above |
| 01:06.25 | dustybin | is there anyway to stop this: |
| 01:06.26 | dustybin | ncftp / > rm -r public_html/* |
| 01:06.27 | dustybin | Remote host has closed the connection. |
| 01:06.49 | pkcahier | ls is not very reliable imho though, find will give you proper one-per-line-paths. |
| 01:06.53 | chemmmy | anyone know anything about ircd-hybrid? i keep getting connection refused |
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| 01:07.22 | dustybin | chemmmy: i keep on getting remote host closed connection and you keep on getting connection refused |
| 01:07.26 | dustybin | we have something in common :P |
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| 01:07.39 | chemmmy | well atleast I found someone working on same thing as me finally |
| 01:08.00 | chemmmy | pm |
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| 01:12.02 | dustybin | a friend of mine has given me free webspace, no shell access, so i have to use ftp to upload content, every single ftp client ive tried has given me problems, some clients give me strange permission problems, other clients keep on timing out, some clients cannot copy recursively, arghghghghghghghgghhghghhghghggh |
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| 01:13.18 | \amethyst | if a client keeps timing out, it's likely that it is in passive mode when it should be in active, or vice versa |
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| 01:14.18 | dustybin | \amethyst: ncftp is the best ive tried apart from the timing out problems, can i set it to active mode from the client side? |
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| 01:15.31 | \amethyst | dustybin: man ncftp --- I think you set it on a per-server basis |
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| 01:21.39 | bw\_ | dustybin: try lftp |
| 01:22.15 | dustybin | bw\_: lftp wont connect at all |
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| 01:22.19 | dustybin | ill try again |
| 01:22.24 | bw\_ | try "debug 3" |
| 01:22.28 | bw\_ | before connecting |
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| 01:22.43 | bw\_ | for a some additional debug output |
| 01:23.42 | dustybin | lftp dustybin@xxxxxxxx.net:~> ls -al |
| 01:23.43 | dustybin | `ls -al' at 0 [Logging in...] |
| 01:23.46 | stoned | hm |
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| 01:24.41 | bw\ | debug 5 |
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| 01:29.49 | dustybin | this is soooooo annoying, i have files created what i dont have the permissions to delete |
| 01:29.52 | dustybin | ftp> rm "wp-cache-fca359ed76a9285aa330ff5651cd5cc7.html" |
| 01:29.54 | dustybin | 550 Can't remove directory: Permission denied |
| 01:30.22 | bw\ | maybe the server is just misconfigured |
| 01:30.26 | click170 | Hey can someone help point me to documentation on a bug where the hard drive id (sda, sdb, etc) is altered when a new drive is added and the system is rebooted? I've been googling but can't find anything relevant |
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| 01:33.01 | adb | !tell click170 about bts |
| 01:33.05 | sylarr | is there some find_app_name(pid) function? |
| 01:33.21 | sylarr | that will get the executable name? |
| 01:34.51 | asg | sylarr: you can get that from /proc/<pid>/* - should be in a file there |
| 01:34.54 | Wyzard | click170: That can happen if the new disk is on a different controller than the old one |
| 01:35.12 | sylarr | asg, any C function? |
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| 01:36.05 | Wyzard | click170: the drivers for the controllers are loaded automatically by hardware detection, but the detection and handling is done asynchronously, so there's a race condition that can lead to the drivers getting loaded in a different order at different times |
| 01:36.07 | click170 | Its an external USB drive, I plugged it in, and the power went out. Thanks to a UPS the computer shutdown cleanly but when it booted again (for the first time with the USB drive plugged in) the drive ids were different, they were shuffled down one |
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| 01:36.36 | Wyzard | click170: External USB storage (the usb-storage driver) counts as a different controller than whatever your internal disk is connected to |
| 01:37.02 | click170 | Oops, not USB, eSATA |
| 01:37.13 | click170 | Doesnt that mean its the same as the others? |
| 01:37.53 | Wyzard | depends on your system... both of mine have the eSATA port provided by a JMicron controller, which is different from the "main" Intel SATA controller that the internal disks are connected to |
| 01:37.55 | click170 | Wyzard, is it udev that is respondible for handing out drives their id? |
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| 01:38.20 | Wyzard | no, that's done by the kernel when the controller's driver loads and recognizes the attached drives |
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| 01:38.30 | Wyzard | but whichever driver loads first gets the first letters of the alphabet |
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| 01:38.52 | Wyzard | so if you reboot and the *other* driver gets loaded first, the enumeration changes |
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| 01:39.43 | click170 | I could have sworn this was a known bug in a specific package with a known workaround, something along the lines of mounting the drives using UIDs or something but I was looking for specific instructions for the workaround |
| 01:39.58 | Wyzard | You should avoid relying on specific device names in /dev though -- you can use filesystem labels, or something higher-level like LVM that provides fixed names (of your own choosing) |
| 01:40.11 | Wyzard | You're thinking of UUIDs |
| 01:40.15 | click170 | Yes |
| 01:40.25 | Wyzard | Look up "LABEL" and "UUID" in man fstab |
| 01:40.53 | click170 | For Label, can labels not be assigned to XFS filesystems? |
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| 01:41.01 | Wyzard | hmm, no idea |
| 01:41.04 | Wyzard | I don't use XFS anymore |
| 01:41.22 | Wyzard | I'd recommend using labels rather than UUIDs where possible though |
| 01:41.24 | click170 | I onyl ask because I tried assigning a label to an XFS filesystem and it wouldn't work. Didnt look into it further. Thanks though! |
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| 01:41.52 | Wyzard | Well, assigning a filesystem label is done with a filesystem-specific tool (e.g. tune2fs for ext2/ext3) |
| 01:42.00 | Wyzard | so check the manpage for xfs_tune or whatever it's called |
| 01:42.14 | click170 | Wyzard, that would be it, I was trying to use tune2fs on xfs :S |
| 01:42.20 | Wyzard | ah, that'll do it :-) |
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| 01:43.23 | Wyzard | looks like you want to use xfs_admin -L |
| 01:43.53 | doublehp | why do some debians consider first IDE master as SDA (instead of hda ) ? |
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| 01:45.21 | Wyzard | doublehp: hd* names are specific to the kernel's legacy IDE framework... most drivers these days use the newer libata framework, which presents devices to userspace through the SCSI disk subsystem so they get sd* names |
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| 01:46.17 | Wyzard | If you see hd* names it means the driver for that disk controller isn't one of the newer libata ones |
| 01:48.43 | doublehp | is libata includeddd inthe initrd ? |
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| 01:49.24 | norbert- | hi all, I was kind of surprised just now of what happened when I ran a cp command |
| 01:49.54 | doublehp | norbert-: i was not. |
| 01:49.58 | norbert- | I meant to do "# cp /.../* ." but did "# cp /../*" |
| 01:50.12 | norbert- | and cp didn't say it required a second argument |
| 01:50.29 | norbert- | it copied one of the files in the directory over the other file |
| 01:50.46 | norbert- | that seemed kind of weird to me |
| 01:50.59 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: * is expanded by the shell |
| 01:51.23 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: if * matched > 2, and the last thing wasn't a directory, it would have triggered an error, but just two things is fine |
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| 01:52.06 | norbert- | hum... I guess in all those years I just never had 2 files in a directory when using such a command |
| 01:52.14 | Wyzard | doublehp: It should be included if any drivers that need it are included |
| 01:52.38 | doublehp | norbert-: I agree with dondelelcaro : as long as the last result of "ls ../*" is a directory, an action will be performed: copy all ../ content to the last dir ;à |
| 01:52.40 | doublehp | : |
| 01:53.00 | doublehp | Wyzard: how could kernel mount / without it ? |
| 01:53.19 | norbert- | dondelelcaro: I kind of feel like maybe it should have refused to execute the command, since as a user I can't possibly tell which file will be copied over what other file, or am I wrong? (alphabetically maybe?) |
| 01:53.45 | doublehp | Wyzard: if debian uses libata, and kernel accesses my IDE drive throught libata , it should be required before / is mounted => initrd |
| 01:53.47 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: the shell doesn't know what you're doing with /../* |
| 01:54.08 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: it just expands it. Then, cp has no clue whether you went /../* or /../a /../b |
| 01:54.24 | norbert- | dondelelcaro: hum... yeah |
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| 01:54.27 | Wyzard | doublehp: It's not a matter of whether "Debian uses libata" |
| 01:54.46 | Wyzard | doublehp: It's a matter of whether the driver for your disk controller uses libata |
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| 01:54.53 | doublehp | norbert-: your computer does not pretend to be smarter than you; this command will work on any Linux: "cd / ; cp *" ... will amongst other things, dump usr in var :) |
| 01:54.54 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: so no, it shouldn't refuse, and yes, as a user it is possible to tell.. |
| 01:54.56 | norbert- | dondelelcaro: but cp could do a parameter check, and look for *, right? |
| 01:55.22 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: cp never sees * |
| 01:55.28 | norbert- | right, sorry |
| 01:55.28 | doublehp | Wyzard: isn't libata userland ? |
| 01:55.38 | norbert- | maybe the shell should warn cp :P |
| 01:55.48 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: not possible |
| 01:55.53 | Wyzard | doublehp: no, it's a kernel module -- a library of kernel code used by other kernel modules |
| 01:55.59 | norbert- | I can't imagine anyone would use cp <whatever>* without additional parameters |
| 01:56.08 | norbert- | s/would/would want to/ |
| 01:56.14 | doublehp | norbert-: feel free to stop using bash, and switch to a shell that does not expand anything. |
| 01:56.40 | doublehp | Wyzard: i will have a deeper look in make menuconfig tomorrow ... |
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| 01:56.44 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: oh, it's generally a stupid thing to do, but it isn't the shell's place to figure out what cp does. echo *; or cp *; or rm *; are all the same to the shell. |
| 01:56.46 | norbert- | neh, I just shouldn't make mistakes :) I have a backup though, so it didn't cause any problems |
| 01:57.26 | dondelelcaro | norbert-: if it's something that you're concerned about doing, use cp -i |
| 01:57.44 | norbert- | yep, I know |
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| 01:57.54 | doublehp | Wyzard: in the same machine, one debian see my disk as hda, the other one as sda; they are not the same debian version. |
| 01:58.23 | Wyzard | doublehp: One's probably using an older kernel |
| 01:58.36 | doublehp | norbert-: if you really meant to copy .../* into . I am surprise any way you have a "..." folder in your machine :) |
| 01:58.53 | Wyzard | doublehp: legacy IDE drivers get ported or rewritten to use libata, so controllers that used an ide-based driver with older kernels may use a libata-based driver with newer kernels |
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| 01:59.24 | doublehp | Wyzard: my gentoo uses latest kernel, and whows sda (hand made kernel); that's why i wanna understand; maybe my chipset can be handled by several drivers ? |
| 01:59.33 | norbert- | doublehp: s/.../../g |
| 01:59.34 | Wyzard | possibly |
| 01:59.55 | norbert- | (doublehp: I know I wrote ...) |
| 01:59.58 | doublehp | norbert-: then, you made a mistake again when expressing what you meant ^^ |
| 02:00.14 | norbert- | doublehp: well, I'm not root in #debian :) |
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| 02:00.23 | doublehp | Wyzard: may they have different perfs ? |
| 02:00.34 | Wyzard | perfs? |
| 02:00.40 | doublehp | performances |
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| 02:01.22 | Wyzard | Well, I think the motivating force for replacing the IDE framework was SATA features like NCQ that its design couldn't support |
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| 02:01.38 | Wyzard | so it's possible that a libata-based driver may be faster for that sort of reason |
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| 02:02.03 | Wyzard | but not guaranteed; not all SATA drivers (or controllers, for that matter) support NCQ |
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| 02:02.28 | norbert- | now that I'm here, I'm wondering why Debian stable still has GIMP 2.2, even though we're at 2.6+ by now; if I'd make a deb package with 2.4 or 2.6, could it be added to the apt rep.? |
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| 02:02.54 | norbert- | is it because of glib issues? |
| 02:03.07 | Octalot | it's because stable is old |
| 02:04.09 | Octalot | when lenny becomes stable, stable will have 2.4, and then unstable will have 2.6 |
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| 02:04.29 | norbert- | I know, but why can't stable have 2.4? |
| 02:04.49 | doublehp | norbert-: stable has already been released ! |
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| 02:05.07 | \amethyst | norbert-: 'stable' means it doesn't get feature updates, only security fixes |
| 02:06.10 | doublehp | Wyzard: dont IDE and ext drivers already do NCQ in software since ages ? |
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| 02:06.22 | doublehp | IDE ans ext2/3 |
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| 02:07.24 | Wyzard | NCQ is part of the SATA protocol; "NCQ in software" doesn't make any sense |
| 02:07.30 | doublehp | Wyzard: since NCQ of disks is done in hardware, why does the driver have to be aware of it ? |
| 02:07.52 | koollman | doublehp: NCQ is not some magic function or algorithm. |
| 02:08.04 | solid_liq | anyone know of a good blog package to run on my webserver? (etch) |
| 02:08.13 | doublehp | i thought NCQ was queue reordering ... |
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| 02:08.29 | solid_liq | ncq == native command queueing |
| 02:08.36 | FredZ | I am wanting to asign multiple IP to a single NIC, where can I find information on how this is done in debian 4.0R5 |
| 02:08.44 | doublehp | explains why i was wrong. |
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| 02:08.53 | Wyzard | doublehp: Command queueing (TCQ in SCSI, NCQ in SATA) is what lets the driver send multiple I/O request to a disk without waiting for each one to finish first |
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| 02:09.07 | doublehp | FredZ: ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.99.34 |
| 02:09.11 | Wyzard | doublehp: Without command queueing, the driver can only send one command, then has to wait for the result before it can send another |
| 02:09.17 | FredZ | TY |
| 02:09.26 | solid_liq | FredZ: it's like: ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.0.1; ifconfig eth0:1 up 192.168.0.2; ifconfig eth0:2 up 192.168.0.3 etc. |
| 02:09.45 | koollman | doublehp: to have queue reordering, you need some way to handle non-ordered answers |
| 02:09.46 | doublehp | FredZ: debian can handle this "a debian way" in the /etc/network/interfaces file. see man interfaces |
| 02:09.48 | norbert- | amethyst: why does it take so long because testing is considered to be stable? can't they do a feature freeze earlier? |
| 02:10.18 | Wyzard | doublehp: The actual queue is within the drive, but the driver has to support sending the commands and keeping track of multiple outstanding I/O requests for which the responses may be in a different order |
| 02:10.21 | koollman | doublehp: a non-ncq driver will do a request, wait for the answer, do another one ... (ok, maybe batch them. but still with answers in the same order as the requests) |
| 02:10.22 | norbert- | amethyst: because->before |
| 02:10.33 | doublehp | Wyzard: "send multiple I/O request to a disk without waiting for each one to finish first" does it also help the kernel scheduler ? |
| 02:10.38 | FredZ | if I use the ifconfig command line will it write the config to the interface file? |
| 02:10.47 | solid_liq | norbert-: it needs time to be thoroughly tested enough to ensure the bugs are all squashed |
| 02:11.01 | koollman | doublehp: a ncq-capable driver will make requests (with some id) and get results as the disk returns them (probably in a different order) |
| 02:11.11 | solid_liq | FredZ: no |
| 02:11.15 | Wyzard | I'm not sure how the kernel's I/O scheduler interacts with NCQ |
| 02:11.18 | FredZ | OK, ty |
| 02:11.40 | Wyzard | Presumably the I/O scheduler issues requests in whatever order, but they really just go into the drive's queue and may be serviced in a different order than the I/O scheduler asked for |
| 02:11.49 | doublehp | Wyzard: koollman makes sens. Thx. |
| 02:11.53 | Wyzard | I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing overall, for I/O performance |
| 02:12.10 | koollman | Wyzard: heh. the answer is, of course ... 'it depends' ;) |
| 02:12.57 | doublehp | Wyzard: it should be a good thing for the global disk perf, optimising the head moves; but i am wondering about the kernel a scheduler ... the I/O manager as you say. |
| 02:13.21 | koollman | it is, in most uses, better. but, some edge cases will show some bad performance with ncq (since it could also increase latency a bit) |
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| 02:13.39 | doublehp | which kind of cases ? |
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| 02:14.09 | doublehp | latency for a short reads while reading a big file ? |
| 02:14.28 | koollman | yes. |
| 02:14.36 | doublehp | synchronous locks for large DB ? |
| 02:14.49 | koollman | well, for these, 'it depends' ;) |
| 02:14.56 | doublehp | :) |
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| 02:16.00 | koollman | and, from the kernel I/O scheduler point of view, the queue depth is known, and iirc, it changes some costs calculations. |
| 02:16.32 | Wyzard | doublehp: btw, NCQ (unlike SCSI's TCQ) doesn't provide a way for a new high-priority request to be pushed to the head of the queue -- instead, that's accomplished by emptying the queue (there's a command for that), then issuing the high-priority request followed by re-issuing all the other requests that had been in the queue |
| 02:16.53 | Wyzard | so the driver has to remember the actual commands that it sent to the drive so it can re-send them in that situation |
| 02:17.53 | koollman | or the driver just ignore high priority, and put them at the end of the queue ;) |
| 02:18.20 | roolis | hi guys. i installed debian lenny from an RC1 CD. Used the graphical installer. Its quite good but i got a question. If i choose to use a manual encrypted lvm why cant i edit what goes inside the lvm? eg. i wanted to have swap and some jfs in there.. |
| 02:18.21 | doublehp | awfull :) |
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| 02:30.39 | dustybin | grrrrrrrrrr i hate ftp clients, i nearly deleted a whole load of work because i expected everything was downloaded properly, then i noticed it copied a load of dirs and not the contents |
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| 02:31.16 | dustybin | death to ftp |
| 02:32.04 | roolis | use rsync then |
| 02:32.17 | dustybin | Death.T.P. |
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| 02:32.32 | dustybin | can rsync use ftp? |
| 02:33.01 | roolis | ok. since noone seems to have an answer, does anyone know where i can dl my wireless driver from? its an intel 4965 card |
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| 02:33.09 | roolis | dustybin: sure |
| 02:33.25 | dustybin | i shall look into it |
| 02:33.32 | roolis | theres also grsync if you dont want to use cli |
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| 02:33.53 | dustybin | nope cli only |
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| 02:36.11 | roolis | rsync if far superior to ftp when it comes to mirroring whole directory trees |
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| 02:37.13 | joeytwiddle | yeah i loves it with -vvPz |
| 02:37.59 | proberts | hey guys I'm getting an error when I'm running an apt-get update with apt-proxy... |
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| 02:38.03 | proberts | he following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 02:38.04 | proberts | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 02:38.47 | roolis | doesnt debian provide packages for intel wireless cards? |
| 02:38.56 | roolis | do i have to download em from the site? |
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| 02:41.41 | Wyzard | roolis: what model, specifically? |
| 02:41.48 | naught101 | anyone know when kde4.2beta1 will be in the repos? |
| 02:42.35 | Wyzard | naught101: probably never; the maintainers will likely wait for it to be out of beta |
| 02:42.37 | roolis | Wyzard: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 02:43.00 | naught101 | Wyzard: even for experimental? |
| 02:43.18 | Wyzard | naught101: dunno about that |
| 02:43.38 | naught101 | ok, thanks Wyzard |
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| 02:44.02 | Wyzard | roolis: The "firmware-iwlwifi" package seems to contain the firmware for that |
| 02:44.16 | Wyzard | The driver itself might be part of the standard kernel (it is for my ipw2200) but I don't know for sure |
| 02:44.17 | roolis | i suspect i need to enable some extra repo the installer didnt enable |
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| 02:44.28 | roolis | the module is loaded |
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| 02:44.37 | Wyzard | oh, so you do have the module already |
| 02:44.42 | Wyzard | Most likely you're just missing the firmware, then |
| 02:44.53 | roolis | is it in some special repo? |
| 02:45.02 | SQlvpapir__ | packages.debian.org |
| 02:45.12 | Wyzard | It's in non-free |
| 02:45.28 | roolis | how do add that in the sources list? |
| 02:45.38 | SQlvpapir__ | very simple |
| 02:45.46 | Wyzard | add "contrib non-free" after "main" |
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| 02:46.15 | Wyzard | (contrib isn't strictly necessary for this, but there's no reason not to have it available if you have non-free) |
| 02:47.12 | roolis | i suppose you mean in the deb (not deb-src) line and not the security repo..right? |
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| 02:48.04 | Wyzard | The deb line is where you specifically need it, but it'd make sense to put it on the corresponding deb-src line as well |
| 02:48.25 | Wyzard | and the security line if you want security updates for any non-free packages that you may have installed (which you do) |
| 02:48.56 | roolis | ah ok. thanks. brb :) |
| 02:49.25 | proberts | can anyone help me with this Debian key problem |
| 02:49.28 | proberts | I'm really stuck |
| 02:50.09 | joeytwiddle | roolis: you should add "contrib non-free" to the security lines also |
| 02:50.22 | joeytwiddle | or you might miss security updates for those packages |
| 02:50.44 | roolis | yes Wyzard wrote it above also |
| 02:51.34 | joeytwiddle | oopsie :> |
| 02:52.46 | joeytwiddle | proberts: how big a problem is it? when i update on repositories without keys, i get a similar warning, but it doesn't stop the update from working |
| 02:52.51 | roolis | if i reload synaptic, will it see the change in sources.lst? |
| 02:53.10 | joeytwiddle | yes |
| 02:53.50 | roolis | yes but my mirror probably doesnt host non free |
| 02:54.00 | roolis | anyway thanks for the replies. |
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| 02:54.47 | SQlvpapir__ | get a proper mirror then |
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| 03:00.54 | ma3x | how do i install javadoc for netbeans? what's the package name? |
| 03:02.08 | roolis | SQlvpapir__: that was supposed to be the best mirror near me. At least from my experience, not with Debian |
| 03:02.47 | roolis | But it says: http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/debian/dists/lenny/Release: Unable to find expected entry none-free/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 03:03.07 | SQlvpapir__ | the official ones are always better |
| 03:03.13 | roolis | ops |
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| 03:03.16 | roolis | typo |
| 03:03.19 | roolis | heh |
| 03:03.30 | roolis | none instead of non |
| 03:03.32 | SQlvpapir__ | ftæ |
| 03:03.36 | SQlvpapir__ | ftp.debian.org |
| 03:03.46 | SQlvpapir__ | so very simple |
| 03:04.37 | roolis | ftp.gr.debian.org didnt work during installation |
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| 03:13.04 | roolis | ok now lets see how consistent suspend and hibernation is.. |
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| 03:20.00 | PhrkOnLsh | hello, I have been trying to get ndiswrapper working on an rtl8185 chipset using realtek drivers (the native kernel drive hangs viciously) but whenever I try to use wpasupplicant, or for that matter any wireless utils dmesg starts telling me that wlan0 is being reset... how can I get more info on what is wrong? I am trying to use ndiswrapper |
| 03:20.09 | PhrkOnLsh | i asked their chan but it is dead. |
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| 03:34.19 | gigo | hi |
| 03:34.27 | gigo | I am unable to find lex and yacc packages. |
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| 03:59.58 | ma3x | how do you check cpu info? |
| 04:00.29 | PhrkOnLsh | ma3x: what ind of info? usage %? specs? |
| 04:00.42 | ma3x | specs |
| 04:00.51 | PhrkOnLsh | mm, google? |
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| 04:01.44 | Ursinha | !moo |
| 04:01.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 04:02.02 | PhrkOnLsh | lol |
| 04:02.31 | AceLan | lol |
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| 04:03.08 | ma3x | come on don't moo in the middle of the night |
| 04:03.12 | PhrkOnLsh | lol, why the gay is ndiswrapper getting reinstalled after i rmmod it??? |
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| 04:03.36 | ma3x | how can it get reinstalled itself? |
| 04:03.47 | PhrkOnLsh | ma3x: no f*cking clue, but it is |
| 04:03.49 | ma3x | blacklist it |
| 04:04.04 | PhrkOnLsh | and a second rmmod says it's waiting for wlan0 to become free. usage count = 5 |
| 04:04.12 | PhrkOnLsh | ma3x: I'm trying to get it to work :) |
| 04:04.21 | PhrkOnLsh | 04:19 ( PhrkOnLsh) hello, I have been trying to get ndiswrapper working on an rtl8185 chipset using realtek drivers (the native kernel acantha viciously) but whenever I try to use wpasupplicant, or for that matter any wireless utils dmesg starts telling me th ace2001ac7 reset... how can I get more info on what is wrong? I am trying to use ndiswrapper |
| 04:04.26 | PhrkOnLsh | it make-a no sense |
| 04:04.48 | ma3x | just don't use ndiswrapper |
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| 04:05.01 | ma3x | go figure/trouble shoot your drivers |
| 04:05.03 | PhrkOnLsh | ma3x: native drivers crash the kernel HARD |
| 04:05.15 | ma3x | yeah well go google |
| 04:05.21 | skidj | ma3x: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 04:05.29 | PhrkOnLsh | tried google. lol |
| 04:05.31 | ma3x | skidj: already found out thanks |
| 04:06.04 | PhrkOnLsh | i have the exact same driver working on my laptop, right now, working a-ok (the native one) |
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| 04:07.58 | Piper69 | i have to mods loaded how can i unload one of them please....(hostap_cs and Orinoco_CA) |
| 04:09.33 | PhrkOnLsh | rmmod * |
| 04:09.39 | Piper69 | rmod?! |
| 04:09.40 | PhrkOnLsh | rmmod [module] rather |
| 04:09.45 | Piper69 | got it |
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| 04:12.08 | Elite | Okay I installed debian and when I try to boot it it says "Error Loading Operating System" why? |
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| 04:12.48 | Piper69 | another question, why ever time i boot my box, i have to do ifup eth1 to get internet is there is an easier way |
| 04:14.03 | Piper69 | and rmmod hostap_cs and i got ERROR: Module hostap_cs is in use?! |
| 04:16.15 | PhrkOnLsh | Piper69: 1) read up on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:16.27 | PhrkOnLsh | 2) lsmod |grep hostap_cs, rmmod those first |
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| 04:24.31 | izzyb | is there a known issue causing the debian stable boot disk to not be able to find the cdrom after initial boot on an intel motherboard? |
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| 04:25.13 | izzyb | its the netinstall cd if it makes a difference? |
| 04:25.29 | CaT[t3] | the sata/ide settings on the mb might cause issue. |
| 04:25.54 | CaT[t3] | you might also try etchnhalf |
| 04:26.12 | CaT[t3] | just like etch but with a spiffier kernel |
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| 04:27.06 | Piper69 | !.gz |
| 04:27.07 | dpkg | it has been said that .gz is handled by the man2html script. |
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| 04:29.37 | DavidMJ | less complains that a terminal is not fully functional, which it is not due to the value of $TERM, is there a good way to determine (without depending on less) whether or not a terminal is "good" ? |
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| 04:31.41 | Agrajag- | so it seems i have a bunch of devices still mounted that were usb sticks that were just pulled out rather than unmounted properly. since they were mounted automatically, what am i missing to make them be unmounted automatically? surely something does this? (yes i know they should be unmounted properly...) |
| 04:32.52 | PhrkOnLsh | Agrajag-: things don't unmount automatically |
| 04:33.06 | PhrkOnLsh | unmounting ahs to be done before the device is pulled, to make sure FATs are updated and such |
| 04:33.20 | PhrkOnLsh | you really NEED to eject /dev/sdXX everytime. |
| 04:33.30 | PhrkOnLsh | I have lsot too many sd cards and sub sticks that way ;) |
| 04:33.34 | PhrkOnLsh | random corruption, etc |
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| 04:34.20 | CaT[t3] | agra: the problem you're hitting is that usb does not have a way to indicate that you want the device back out |
| 04:34.24 | Agrajag- | i know.. but surely if the device disappears, something can do some cleanup? |
| 04:34.38 | CaT[t3] | agra: how can it clean up a device it no longer has access to |
| 04:34.57 | CaT[t3] | agra: the problem here is that the OS might not have finished writing to the device before you pull it out |
| 04:35.08 | Agrajag- | ... i know. |
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| 04:35.37 | izzyb | PhrkOnLsh, do you mean that linux still things the disks are mounted even though you pulled them out? |
| 04:35.52 | PhrkOnLsh | Agrajag-: I have no knowledge of how to clean up udev and stuff so that the next mount is /dev/sda and not /dev/sdb if that's what you are looking at |
| 04:36.04 | izzyb | er sorry that was for Agrajag- |
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| 04:36.13 | PhrkOnLsh | izzyb: basically; it has no way to know that -- lol |
| 04:36.30 | Agrajag- | PhrkOnLsh: yeah that's what i'm after, since it's up to sdy or something |
| 04:36.44 | Agrajag- | PhrkOnLsh: why not? the device isn't there, dmesg tells me the device isn't there |
| 04:37.57 | PhrkOnLsh | Agrajag-: eboot :) |
| 04:37.59 | PhrkOnLsh | reboot* |
| 04:38.06 | PhrkOnLsh | it's the only thing I know to do anyways |
| 04:38.11 | PhrkOnLsh | or eject the fscker |
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| 04:50.17 | Benzi | when are they thinking lenny will be released nowadays? |
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| 04:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | still WIR |
| 04:53.12 | wallerdev | is there a reason cron doesnt run files with dots in the name in cron.hourly? |
| 04:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lenny status |
| 04:53.21 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 04:56.48 | subdolus | whats something that happens at least 3 times a day? like a certain process? |
| 04:57.07 | subdolus | i dont want to use crontab, i want to piggyback something onto an actual process thats run |
| 04:57.09 | Piper69 | whe i do ifup eth0 (my wireless card) i get SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 04:57.11 | Piper69 | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 04:57.23 | subdolus | how often does getty restart in a day |
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| 04:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | subdolus, why? |
| 04:59.59 | subdolus | why not? |
| 05:00.05 | subdolus | is there anything anyone can think of? |
| 05:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piper69, card? kernel module loaded? what says dmesg? what /var/log/messages? |
| 05:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, cron |
| 05:00.16 | subdolus | prehaps and init.d script? |
| 05:00.19 | subdolus | an* |
| 05:00.32 | subdolus | no, NOT cron |
| 05:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's what it's for |
| 05:00.45 | Piper69 | !paste |
| 05:00.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 05:01.10 | subdolus | thankyou so much for hat, CutMeOwnThroat. Anyone else got ideas? |
| 05:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's a secret why you don't want to use cron? |
| 05:01.42 | subdolus | it's simply irrelevent |
| 05:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | have fun |
| 05:01.57 | subdolus | i will |
| 05:02.01 | subdolus | anyone? |
| 05:02.03 | subdolus | :( |
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| 05:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piper69, also might have to do ifconfig eth0 up first, although that's a bit weird |
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| 05:04.58 | Piper69 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/22260/ |
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| 05:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I hoped you could answer your own question when checking the logs :) |
| 05:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | have to start iceweasel |
| 05:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | (got phoned) |
| 05:11.41 | Piper69 | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean |
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| 05:15.05 | DavidMJ | how do I figure out what db infocmp decided to read from, other than strace'ing it? |
| 05:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piper69, that's not a useful part of the log - well, the stuff from line 8 on - so dmesg tells you the kernel found your card |
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| 05:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that should be the dmfe kernel module |
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| 05:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, dpkg doesn't have anything on that |
| 05:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wireless |
| 05:20.49 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 05:20.56 | Piper69 | CutMeOwnThroat: /var/log/messages is very big which part you want |
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| 05:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piper69, no, I thought you just look out for occurances of eth0 or dmfe |
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| 05:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and see if it gives you errors |
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| 05:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could look at that debian-wiki page and ... to rule out the simple things - check the killswitch (/msg dpkg killswitch) - for most laptops that's obvious, but seems some have stuff likd Fn+F2 to de-/activate it... |
| 05:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, gotta run... was just looking in here via dinner |
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| 05:47.26 | theDoc | Has anyone managed to successfully make debian run flawlessly under an IBM x61s notebook before? I'm just making sure that everything I have on this notebook is supported before making Windows Home(less). |
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| 05:50.52 | eap | theDoc: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/lenovo-ibm-x61s.html |
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| 06:05.30 | eightyeight | Supaplex: just a comment about you-know-who |
| 06:05.48 | Supaplex | then /j #debian-offtopic |
| 06:06.15 | Supaplex | my bad. why don't I just auth to nickserv. :p 1m. |
| 06:06.31 | eightyeight | waits |
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| 06:13.49 | theDoc | Well mates, I'm going to give installing debian on this x61 a go |
| 06:13.51 | theDoc | Wish me luck! |
| 06:13.51 | theDoc | ;) |
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| 06:30.57 | lkthomas | guys |
| 06:31.01 | lkthomas | anyone use samba as PDC ? |
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| 06:54.11 | Piper69 | how do i upgrade to 2.6.24-19-generic |
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| 06:54.55 | onetinsoldier | hello. if i used make-kpkg with the kernel_image and modules_image, should it have created a modules .deb package? if not, are they contained in the linux_image package? |
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| 07:02.04 | joshux | !acpi |
| 07:02.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see ... |
| 07:02.13 | jelly-uk | Piper69: that's not a debian kernel version |
| 07:03.04 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: what is the latest |
| 07:03.26 | jelly-uk | Piper69: which debian release are you using? |
| 07:03.37 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: etch |
| 07:04.00 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: how would i search for it |
| 07:04.29 | jelly-uk | Piper69: something like "apt-cache search linux-image-2.6" would be a good start |
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| 07:05.18 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: omg , this is huge |
| 07:05.31 | Piper69 | which one i choose |
| 07:05.40 | flourish | hello, need help. Is there a book or a guide about chroot. I found just little manuals about chroot on the web |
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| 07:05.48 | Nom- | Howdy all. Is there a simple way to convert a package to statically compile *and* cross-compile? I want to make a 64 and 32 version of subversion and statically compile it to work on any version of debian |
| 07:06.10 | Nom- | I assume it's just a simple change to the rules file |
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| 07:08.24 | jelly-uk | Piper69: apt-cache show packagename will show description of each. An -686 image will work on any recent (2000+) cpu |
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| 07:09.19 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: what if i don't know what cpu i have how can i check please |
| 07:10.16 | jelly-uk | Piper69: if "cpu family" line in /proc/cpuinfo says "6", you're pretty much safe with -686 |
| 07:12.19 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: mine say 15 |
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| 07:14.59 | jelly-uk | even better |
| 07:15.57 | jelly-uk | I guess you'd know if your machine was more than 8 years old |
| 07:16.13 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: ok good, thank you ....if you can please guide me on where i can get more info about this as i don't know the different between 6 and 15 :) |
| 07:17.06 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: i found it dec 2006 in the dumpster |
| 07:17.10 | Piper69 | :D |
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| 07:21.14 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: you sure you weren't looking at 'cpuid level' rather than.. 'cpu family' ? |
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| 07:21.59 | onetinsoldier | look at 'cpu family'.. not 'cpuid level' |
| 07:22.17 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: cpuid is 2 and cpu family is 15 |
| 07:23.45 | Piper69 | jelly-uk: http://paste.debian.net/22263/ |
| 07:24.02 | mx7 | hello! I install driver and nvidia-settings package on Nvidia8400, as a graphic utility is named for a management a video card? |
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| 07:27.44 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: i see... hmm, now i am wondering what that menas as well! i just built my system recently.. my cpu family is: 6 |
| 07:27.44 | onetinsoldier | means* |
| 07:28.27 | onetinsoldier | my cpuid level is 13 |
| 07:30.51 | Piper69 | so should i update to linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 07:33.34 | itai_michaelson | hi there, i would like to add an NTFS disc with data on it to my server and share it with Samba. do i need to format it as ext3 for better performance? |
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| 07:34.18 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: that's the kind of cpu you have? yes. i think a 2.6.x kernel will work fine. are you 'upgrading the kernel package? i think you can just 'install' the 2.6.x kernel rather than 'upgrading' it. then you should end up having a choice of kernels to boot up with your boot loader |
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| 07:34.58 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: what kernel do you have right now? |
| 07:35.33 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: 2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 07:36.31 | onetinsoldier | oh... just upgrade to the newer one or install the newer one then, either way you should be fine |
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| 07:37.20 | Piper69 | how |
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| 07:37.57 | mx7 | I install nvidia-settings and start this utility, but gives out an err ERROR: The control display is undefined; please run `nvidia-settings --help` for usage information. |
| 07:37.58 | mx7 | help me please |
| 07:38.39 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: i'm pretty rusty with debian and linux.. but now that i think about it, you will give an install command, i iirc you will have end up with the choice of booting with either the old or newer kernel |
| 07:39.05 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: apt-get install <package_name> is the normal way |
| 07:40.40 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: try the following command to find the package name... apt-cache search linux-image | grep 2.6 |
| 07:41.02 | onetinsoldier | that should work if the kernel is called 'linux-image' in etch |
| 07:41.31 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 07:41.46 | onetinsoldier | apt-cache search linux-image | grep 2.6 |
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| 07:42.50 | Piper69 | yes there is a lot, which one to choose |
| 07:42.51 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: oops... |
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| 07:44.04 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: is there one that has like -i586 one the end of the name? |
| 07:44.39 | simonrvn | BTW, apt-cache takes more than one arg. ... |
| 07:44.52 | Piper69 | i should be ooking for i686 no! |
| 07:45.44 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: roger.. can you help him some.. i'm pretty rusty here! |
| 07:46.06 | simonrvn | !etchnhalf |
| 07:46.06 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 07:46.14 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 07:46.58 | onetinsoldier | is a P4 considered an i686? P3 i586? |
| 07:47.24 | simonrvn | p4 you can use 686 |
| 07:47.29 | onetinsoldier | k,thx |
| 07:47.32 | simonrvn | meh, more or less |
| 07:47.53 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: you see that. try the 686 if you want |
| 07:48.56 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: or try the etchnhalf that simonrvn displayed with the bot |
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| 07:52.04 | onetinsoldier | how to i get the 'tee' command to log stderr as well as stdout? |
| 07:53.07 | onetinsoldier | i forget what the bash redirection syntax is |
| 07:53.22 | simonrvn | man bash ;) |
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| 07:54.12 | onetinsoldier | and glaze over it for an hour.. lol. i will sometime, but not right now.. bedtime soon |
| 07:54.39 | onetinsoldier | my eyes are already glazed over right now |
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| 08:02.05 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: you still here? how is it going? what did you decide on? |
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| 08:03.46 | joshux | how to know what package a program belongs to ? |
| 08:04.13 | joshux | ex. mv belongs to coreutils |
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| 08:05.23 | simonrvn | !tell joshux -about search |
| 08:05.37 | simonrvn | !tell joshux -about dlocate |
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| 08:07.21 | JackpotManie_ | hello |
| 08:07.38 | JackpotManie_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/4476982/ pls visit the page thx |
| 08:08.08 | simonrvn | !ops JackpotManie_ pennergame spam |
| 08:08.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: JackpotManie_ pennergame spam |
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| 08:09.47 | PrePro_ | hi everyone where is debian's updatedb database file location? |
| 08:10.36 | JackpotManie_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/4476982/ pls visit the page thx |
| 08:10.45 | simonrvn | JackpotManie_: STOP IT |
| 08:10.57 | JackpotManie_ | ok sorry |
| 08:11.01 | PrePro_ | hi everyone where is debian's updatedb database file location? |
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| 08:11.12 | simonrvn | !tell PrePro_ -about repeat |
| 08:11.15 | PrePro_ | sorry |
| 08:11.21 | onetinsoldier | PrePro_: the updatedb man page says it's usually here... /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db |
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| 08:11.41 | simonrvn | mlocate, or slocate, or similar |
| 08:12.08 | PrePro_ | ok |
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| 08:13.18 | onetinsoldier | how to i get the 'tee' command to log stderr as well as stdout? |
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| 08:14.31 | n-iCe | can I create a email server in my home machine' |
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| 08:16.50 | simonrvn | yes, you have our permission. you have one already installed, it's called exim4. |
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| 08:17.08 | onetinsoldier | n-iCe: sure... i've done it before, just to do it to learn about 'sendmail'. it was years ago i did it. but yep. i used my sendmail setup to send my 2 or 3 daily outgoing e-mails to my isp's mail server. |
| 08:17.22 | n-iCe | woooow |
| 08:17.29 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 08:17.33 | n-iCe | ok, tell me, I need to learn about sendmail ? |
| 08:17.38 | onetinsoldier | sendmail is pretty intense |
| 08:17.42 | simonrvn | !exim |
| 08:17.42 | dpkg | exim is probably a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <exim4gmail> or see http://www.exim.org |
| 08:17.47 | n-iCe | what do you mean with intense |
| 08:17.48 | n-iCe | hehe |
| 08:17.52 | simonrvn | that's what you have right now. |
| 08:17.54 | n-iCe | hard? |
| 08:17.58 | simonrvn | n-iCe: ^^^ |
| 08:18.05 | n-iCe | simonrvn: and how do I use it :D |
| 08:18.08 | n-iCe | :p |
| 08:18.18 | simonrvn | you send email to it |
| 08:18.23 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. c depending on how you look at it.. it's complex and has lot and lots of options |
| 08:18.27 | n-iCe | aah |
| 08:18.37 | n-iCe | onetinsoldier: I see, what about postfix |
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| 08:18.49 | n-iCe | you know it? people told me about it, made for me? |
| 08:18.53 | onetinsoldier | but.. it's like a lot of other things.. sometimes you just install it and don't have to fiddle with it very much |
| 08:19.01 | onetinsoldier | unless you just want to |
| 08:19.27 | n-iCe | ok let's me find some tutos |
| 08:20.21 | onetinsoldier | !sendmail |
| 08:20.22 | dpkg | sendmail is one of the older <Mail Transfer Agents>, configurable using m4 and it's own cf language. If you don't know why you want to use sendmail, consider using <postfix> or <exim> instead. Ask me about <mta comparison> for more information. |
| 08:20.28 | simonrvn | n-iCe: be very careful though, a screwed up config can get you blacklisted, even if your isp allows you to send email out. |
| 08:20.48 | n-iCe | !postfix |
| 08:20.48 | dpkg | i guess postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 08:21.36 | n-iCe | thanks! |
| 08:21.38 | onetinsoldier | at the time.. i used it to send mail to my isp'd mail server np. did it for a while.. and i sent a few mails 'directly' to check that out as well |
| 08:21.58 | onetinsoldier | s/isp'd/isp's |
| 08:22.43 | simonrvn | i've been handling my own email for years, still do. except for one off-site email address, this is what i use the most. |
| 08:22.50 | onetinsoldier | at least i think i sent a few out directly.. hard to remember been so long |
| 08:23.15 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: you use exim4 or...? |
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| 08:25.10 | simonrvn | exim mostly... sometimes a PITA, but damned flexible. probably #2 in terms of configurability, behind sendmail. there's a nice MTA comparision URI in dpkg's factoids somewhere... |
| 08:25.56 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: roger, cool. i saw that dpkg said to ask it about mta comparison |
| 08:26.24 | simonrvn | yeh, that's it. the guy tries to be as objective as possible. |
| 08:26.34 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 08:26.35 | simonrvn | tried* |
| 08:26.40 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 08:39.00 | a_ok | what is prefered these days, slocate or mlocate? |
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| 08:41.39 | Supaplex | !start a locate war |
| 08:41.41 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 08:43.42 | a_ok | Supaplex, well i know slocate is the longest around mlocate is said to be faster/more efficient. however i find stability the most important. if mlocate is as stable and secure as slocate i will take that one. i know rlocate is not stable enough |
| 08:43.58 | a_ok | so its more like what suits me, not waging wars |
| 08:44.02 | jelly-uk | a_ok: actually, "locate" is the longest around |
| 08:44.09 | jelly-uk | there are three alternatives |
| 08:44.48 | onetinsoldier | when compiling a kernel i got a message from 'modpost' something 'warning: 3 version mismatches vmlinuz.o' i'm curious what that's about. anyone know a little about mismatches? |
| 08:44.53 | jelly-uk | uh, with rlocate (never heard about it), four |
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| 08:46.02 | superjet_busy | a_ok: mlocate |
| 08:46.46 | a_ok | jelly-uk, i know locate is the longest around but not really an option |
| 08:47.02 | jelly-uk | uses findutils' locate and likes it |
| 08:47.27 | jelly-uk | a_ok: note that they accept different sets of options in their config files (and I think they all use /etc/updatedb.conf ... confusing) |
| 08:47.30 | a_ok | jelly-uk, rlocate uses a kernel module to index newly created files and removed files so its always up to date |
| 08:47.59 | jelly-uk | a_ok: I wonder how it'd do for nfs or samba shares |
| 08:48.13 | a_ok | jelly-uk, no idea |
| 08:48.57 | jelly-uk | I like being able to put any shell command in /etc/updatedb.conf with the findutils one, since it's really just a sourced script |
| 08:49.59 | jelly-uk | so, I can stat a file on an autofs-mounted share to make it magically appear before the updatedb runs, and then it gets indexed |
| 08:50.25 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
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| 08:51.28 | jelly-uk | goes out of the way to make that mp3 share locate-enabled |
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| 08:52.04 | onetinsoldier | damnit.. make-kpkg bombs out on me without giving an error, but my pc speaker beeps |
| 08:52.12 | simonrvn | ah yes, good reason |
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| 08:53.04 | simonrvn | must be some mantis exploit around, i keep seeing requests for it from zombies.... |
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| 09:04.51 | C-Keen | hi there! Can I get a list of installed packages and their licenses with the package tools? apt(1) and dpkg(1) don't seem to provide his kind of thing, and the debian admin docs don't mention that usage case either. |
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| 09:06.15 | simonrvn | C-Keen: they don't. check their respective doc/ dir |
| 09:06.30 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/packagename/doc/ |
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| 09:06.38 | simonrvn | as YOUR MOTD SAYS |
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| 09:08.06 | C-Keen | simonrvn: ok, thanks. That would require comparing the license with a known set so I can compile a list saying GPL(3/2), BSD, whatever... |
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| 09:08.42 | simonrvn | they're supposed to be machine readable |
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| 09:09.09 | simonrvn | formatted that way, so lintian can scan them easily (i think that's why) |
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| 09:10.45 | onetinsoldier | can anyone help me with make-kpkg? i don't quite understand what the modules_image target is. it doesn't make a .deb package. i read the man page but still didn't understand what it does |
| 09:11.34 | onetinsoldier | if i use the the just the 'modules' target.. make-kpkg is bombing out on me |
| 09:11.54 | enouf | onetinsoldier: it makes a pkg of distributable modules, AFAICT - you should read the /usr/share/doc/kernel-package docs |
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| 09:12.12 | onetinsoldier | enouf: ok, thanks |
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| 09:12.31 | simonrvn | it should; it's a) in .. b) to make any modules in $(pwd)/modules |
| 09:12.49 | simonrvn | make-kpkg --targets; man make-kpkg .... |
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| 09:13.38 | onetinsoldier | in either case it's not making me a modules .deb package.. but, meh.. i'm exacrtly trying to make a finished(?) kernel. i'm trying linux-2.6.28-rc6 |
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| 09:13.56 | enouf | onetinsoldier: btw, which version of kernel-package is that you're using? |
| 09:14.07 | onetinsoldier | the one in lenny |
| 09:14.30 | enouf | well... you might want to practice on known working compiles first :-P |
| 09:15.03 | onetinsoldier | kernel-package 11.0011 |
| 09:15.08 | enouf | judd: versions kernel-package |
| 09:15.09 | judd | enouf: kernel-package -- etch: 10.067 lenny: 11.0011 sid: 11.012 |
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| 09:17.05 | onetinsoldier | oops. earlier i meant o say "i'm NOT exactly trying to make a finished kernel" |
| 09:17.46 | simonrvn | modules_image doesn't either |
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| 09:18.04 | illio | Do any of you know if you can use some kind of Download button graphic from SourceForge, if you have a SourceForge project? |
| 09:18.10 | enouf | right .. kernel_image would be a finished one ;-) |
| 09:18.49 | simonrvn | illio: how about you check their site? |
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| 09:19.21 | enouf | illio: i've not yet seen anything like that there ... no idea |
| 09:19.24 | illio | simonrvn, I did.. couldn't find anything.. but I guessed if anyone knew, it would probably be open source lovers |
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| 09:19.56 | illio | simonrvn, I had seen something that looked like it on another website, so perhaps it was possible.. that |
| 09:19.59 | onetinsoldier | so what does it do? the modules_image target? it does not make a .deb package, correct. i don't quite understand what it does. but enouf said i should read more than the man page. i will do tomorrow. almost too tired to type correctly anymore |
| 09:20.05 | illio | simonrvn, that's pretty much it :-) |
| 09:20.47 | onetinsoldier | s/correct./correct? |
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| 09:21.23 | simonrvn | it does |
| 09:21.40 | simonrvn | it can make several, depending what you have in /sr/src/modules |
| 09:21.45 | simonrvn | usr* |
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| 09:22.45 | enouf | onetinsoldier: hrm .,.. as simonrvn noted; make-kpkg --targets shows me that this dir/ file:///usr/share/kernel-package/ has useful info as well ;-) |
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| 09:24.58 | onetinsoldier | i don't have a modules dir in /usr/src. but i will read the docs, and i think i might just wait for the final 2.6.28 kernel to be released before trying again. man, i spent a looong time configuring the thing(kernel) though. i sure as hell am going to save the .config file, lol |
| 09:25.14 | enouf | right |
| 09:26.22 | enouf | onetinsoldier: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ is another doc you should read ;-) |
| 09:26.44 | simonrvn | when you untar a tarball that's been installed, it'll create that dir. |
| 09:27.00 | enouf | s/untar/unpack ;-) |
| 09:27.04 | onetinsoldier | enouf: ok, thanks! i'll save that url and read it tomorrow too. |
| 09:27.17 | onetinsoldier | time for bed for now.. night all |
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| 09:30.58 | CaT[t3] | is it possible to stop the cursor in gnome terminal from blinking? |
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| 09:32.05 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:32.23 | CaT[t3] | woo. how? :) |
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| 09:34.16 | simonrvn | turn off the blink in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 09:34.17 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:34.26 | CaT[t3] | ahhh |
| 09:34.43 | simonrvn | there might be a setting in gconf-editor too |
| 09:34.48 | CaT[t3] | sigh. i really hate the move away from manpages. :/ |
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| 09:36.17 | mesut | hi,im trying to copy a huge file to a nfs mount,but load going so high. i wonder if there is a way to make it use less resources |
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| 09:36.54 | enouf | mesut: schedutils? taskset? ionice? |
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| 09:38.33 | enouf | man ionice would be my 1st choice |
| 09:39.36 | CaT[t3] | ah-hahahahaha! die you accorsed blinking thing from hell die! |
| 09:39.44 | CaT[t3] | acccursed too |
| 09:40.21 | jberg- | its ok to download .deb packages seperately from debian.org and install them with dpkg -i ? |
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| 09:41.13 | CaT[t3] | now... to change its colour to... green |
| 09:43.17 | simonrvn | jberg-: sure, as long as you resolve the deps properly.... |
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| 09:43.39 | jberg- | yep |
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| 09:45.35 | adb | CaT[t3]: xterm -cr green |
| 09:46.44 | adb | try, xterm --help |
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| 09:48.26 | CaT[t3] | adb: trying gnome-terminal |
| 09:48.37 | CaT[t3] | adb: so far it's done nothing but annoy me |
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| 09:52.55 | mesut | enouf, thanks |
| 09:53.22 | mesut | doh its not installed |
| 09:53.29 | mesut | ionice i mean |
| 09:53.44 | CaT[t3] | oh god. the cursor must be rved. |
| 09:53.54 | CaT[t3] | time to uninstall. |
| 09:53.57 | CaT[t3] | idiots. |
| 09:54.17 | mesut | cant i do it with nice, enouf ? |
| 09:54.24 | vaq | Is lenny considered ready for use in production yet? |
| 09:54.53 | CaT[t3] | so... anyone care to recommend a terminal proggie? something like xfce4 terminal, but without the annoying redraw bug :) |
| 09:55.08 | enouf | mesut: that too |
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| 09:59.07 | mesut | nice -n20 cp file /to/location |
| 09:59.12 | mesut | does that seem OK to you enouf ? |
| 09:59.31 | mesut | doh idle went to %0 :-( |
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| 10:09.58 | CaT[t3] | 75meg to install konsole. god help me. |
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| 10:11.27 | epsilon | xterm :P |
| 10:11.44 | CaT[t3] | rxvt-unicode is my preference there |
| 10:12.00 | CaT[t3] | hassle is i'm on the eee and so i like something that easily recognises urls and stuff |
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| 10:14.16 | vaq | Why am i recieving invalid agrument when using "ifconfig eth1 mtu 9000" when ifconfig --help says it's valid? |
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| 10:20.44 | joltcan | maybe it doesn't support jumbo frames? |
| 10:20.51 | ringo999 | im looking for a pdf viewer that can display comment, xpdf doesnt seem to be able to handle those? |
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| 10:25.54 | mhymn_ | CaT[t3]: yakuake |
| 10:26.38 | mhymn_ | it depends on konsole though |
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| 10:28.46 | CaT[t3] | mhymn: curious |
| 10:29.00 | CaT[t3] | mhymn: console doesn't do url etc detection 8( |
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| 10:29.07 | CaT[t3] | mhymn: konsole even |
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| 10:32.12 | mhymn_ | CaT[t3]: waht do you mean by url detection? |
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| 10:39.56 | CaT[t3] | mhymn: if a url or email address shows up on-screen (or something that looks like one at least) I don't have to select it manually. xfce-terminal, for eg, recognises it and allows me to copy it whole or open a web browser and go to it directly. cute on a full sized desktop; rather useful on a eee. |
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| 10:59.21 | Crypticfortune | In exim, when a message gets temporarily rejected it's sending me a warning saying that it'll keep trying and message again if it gives up. How do I make it omit the warning message? (I only want to know if it gives up entirely) |
| 10:59.43 | petemc | exim4 -bP |grep warn |
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| 11:02.41 | Crypticfortune | petemc: http://rafb.net/p/ixrBk355.html (I guess those are the defaults, eh? I'll try to find those in the exim docs...) |
| 11:02.45 | Crypticfortune | thanks! |
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| 11:04.38 | vlt | Hello. Is there a MUA that can connect to an IMAP server in readonly mode? |
| 11:05.01 | Mallxs | Hi, i'm using curl for a secrure upload but it has probelems with the CA of verisign ... any one knows this stuff ? |
| 11:06.32 | vlt | Mallxs: What does it say exactly? |
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| 11:06.52 | Mallxs | i did sownload http://crl.verisign.com/pca3.crl but do i have to install this key or just use args to curl |
| 11:07.31 | Mallxs | vlt: i get a error in curl : * SSL certificate verify result: unable to get local issuer certificate (20), continuing anyway. |
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| 11:08.16 | Mallxs | vti its about a cert of verisign |
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| 11:09.14 | vlt | Mallxs: Does `curl --cacert=pca3.crl https://...` work? |
| 11:09.48 | Mallxs | He ... i did not use that arg yet ... will tryu mom |
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| 11:11.33 | Crypticfortune | Mallxs: verisign is part of the normal ca-certificates pack (see /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/), so if the site you're uploading to has a verisign cert you shouldn't have to get anything on your own. do you really need the crl? (I don't think curl would do crl checking ordinarily, would it?) |
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| 11:12.42 | dniccoli | Hello! |
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| 11:13.19 | Mallxs | Crypticfortune: thats what i was hooping but i do get this error ... i'm uploading to a goverment inst. so i think it's a problem on my'n |
| 11:13.56 | dniccoli | I want to deinstall any package e.g. python. Is there a way to check, if there are any other installed packages which use/need the python package? |
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| 11:15.27 | bolt-work | dniccoli: i'm sure there's a way to do it, but I usually just try and uninstall it and see what apt-get wants to drag along |
| 11:16.11 | Crypticfortune | Mallxs: well, what makes you think it's a verisign cert? can you tell us hostname? |
| 11:16.24 | dniccoli | aha |
| 11:16.41 | dniccoli | well ok :) |
| 11:17.02 | Mallxs | Crypticfortune: /O=VeriSign Trust Network/OU=VeriSign, Inc./OU=VeriSign International Server CA - Class 3/OU=www.verisign.com/CPS Incorp.by Ref. |
| 11:17.41 | Mallxs | is this what you asked or did yiou mean th host i connect to |
| 11:18.20 | Crypticfortune | Mallxs: i meant the host you connect to |
| 11:18.43 | enouf | dniccoli: man apt-get, see -s option, (and/or man aptitude) |
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| 11:21.49 | dniccoli | i will thank you |
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| 11:23.02 | enouf | dniccoli: for much more info, do; "/msg dpkg grounding" and "/msg dpkg msg the bot" in your irc client |
| 11:23.14 | Mallxs | Crypticfortune: did you see the priv log ? |
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| 11:25.54 | dniccoli | enouf: nice, the simulation rocks :) |
| 11:25.54 | dniccoli | thank you |
| 11:25.54 | dniccoli | bye |
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| 11:28.52 | enouf | heh, my cable modem just slammed onto my (parquet wood on concrete) floor from about 4' high ... ;-) |
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| 11:29.48 | themill | enouf: so that netsplit was *your* fault then? |
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| 11:29.58 | enouf | themill: P |
| 11:30.05 | enouf | er :-P |
| 11:30.06 | anddam | hello |
| 11:30.27 | enouf | anddam: hola amigo! |
| 11:30.48 | enouf | !test |
| 11:30.48 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 11:37.03 | anddam | hola |
| 11:37.13 | anddam | is it the Tacos' Day? |
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| 11:40.04 | CaT[t3] | my trip through terminal-land is proving interesting |
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| 11:40.32 | enouf | anddam: Cinco de Turkey ... (gobble gobble) |
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| 11:41.08 | anddam | CaT[t3]: it can be indeed |
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| 11:41.31 | anddam | enouf: I beg your pardon but.. wth are you tryin to tell me? |
| 11:42.30 | petemc | ask a silly question... |
| 11:42.53 | enouf | there will be a lot of turkeys out tonight ;-) |
| 11:43.00 | anddam | ah, right |
| 11:43.18 | anddam | I think the turkey is "pavo" in spanish |
| 11:43.37 | anddam | at least a few guys from Spain I met called it "pavo real" |
| 11:43.49 | enouf | doesn't quite have the ring though |
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| 11:44.09 | anddam | enouf: where are you from? |
| 11:44.24 | enouf | turkeyland ;-) |
| 11:44.44 | BleSS | how many users could be added to a system? is there are any limit? |
| 11:45.04 | anddam | enouf: then it will be a sad day I fear... |
| 11:45.27 | OpenTokix | BleSS: it depends on the uid-structurre |
| 11:45.28 | enouf | BleSS: 32768 - 1000 ? |
| 11:45.41 | enouf | well .. nm |
| 11:45.42 | OpenTokix | BleSS: some systems have 16 bit uid's and some have 32 bit |
| 11:46.05 | anddam | OpenTokix: I think the question was referred to debian |
| 11:46.33 | anddam | OpenTokix: does different uid's size apply to debian too? |
| 11:46.44 | enouf | i have that 32768 PID number stuck in my little gibblet brain :-P |
| 11:46.51 | BleSS | ok, I'd thinked in use an authentication system in webs using ssh but then this would be a problem |
| 11:47.14 | OpenTokix | anddam: BleSS http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
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| 11:48.37 | anddam | OpenTokix: can't see any reference to 32 bit uid |
| 11:48.59 | OpenTokix | anddam: no, current debian policy dont allow it |
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| 11:49.07 | anddam | enouf: anyway I'm an euroguy so I'm not really into the thanksgiving day thing |
| 11:49.23 | reisi | does anyone know a more recent ldap migration/system setup howto than wiki.debian.org/LDAP? |
| 11:49.24 | OpenTokix | anddam: however, with recent kernel + libc you have 32 bit support. But the current policy is not updated. |
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| 11:50.22 | anddam | enouf: but I have to eat one of those damn turkeys, all that tv shows left a deep scar, in my stomach... |
| 11:51.27 | anddam | weird question: I ran a get -R directory/ in ncftp and I got a |
| 11:51.28 | anddam | tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 11:51.28 | anddam | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 11:51.55 | anddam | I wonder how tar gets into the ftp session.. |
| 11:53.33 | anddam | ok, I got it :-) |
| 11:53.43 | CaT[t3] | anyone here use roxterm? |
| 11:53.45 | anddam | it's clearly described in man page |
| 11:53.54 | anddam | rox the file manager? |
| 11:54.02 | CaT[t3] | terminal |
| 11:54.11 | anddam | I meant _its_ terminal |
| 11:54.11 | CaT[t3] | like xterm but with rox ;) |
| 11:54.24 | anddam | I don't anyway, happy with urxvt |
| 11:54.31 | CaT[t3] | needs to know how to turn off antialiasing for the fonts it uses |
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| 12:03.10 | darius12 | Is it possible to export an nfs share to multiple subnets? |
| 12:03.32 | darius12 | e.g., both 192.168.2.0/24 and 172.20.0.0/24 |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'if_dl.h' returned no results. |
| 12:05.16 | AceLan | darius12: man exports, you'll find this "/projects proj*.local.domain(rw)" |
| 12:05.56 | darius12 | I did the man obviously, the * method doesn't work for me :( |
| 12:06.23 | darius12 | I was asking if there is a way to put 2 subnets one next to the other |
| 12:06.30 | blast_hardcheese | What's the best way to reinstall every package on a machine? |
| 12:06.37 | blast_hardcheese | other than scripting it? |
| 12:07.16 | darius12 | what's wrong with scripting it? |
| 12:08.28 | blast_hardcheese | Nothing is _wrong_ with scripting it, but if there's already a tried and true method for doing it other than scripting it then I'd rather use that |
| 12:08.55 | blast_hardcheese | Reinventing the wheel is only good when you don't have the sense to ask if it has already been reinvented multiple multiple times. |
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| 12:09.56 | darius12 | it doesn't sound like a common use-case, so I think you are better off scripting it, unless I don't understand exactly what you want to do |
| 12:09.56 | enouf | !selections |
| 12:09.57 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 12:10.40 | blast_hardcheese | darius12: I don't trust the install |
| 12:11.24 | blast_hardcheese | The machine takes forever to start, has a bunch of red errors where there should be none, and is generally slow to get going |
| 12:11.49 | blast_hardcheese | (sorry for repeating, I'm really tired) |
| 12:11.58 | darius12 | so you think you had a disk corruption problem? |
| 12:12.27 | blast_hardcheese | I don't think so, |
| 12:12.48 | blast_hardcheese | I upgraded the BIOS and it appears to be running faster |
| 12:13.58 | blast_hardcheese | I still get the errors though. Apparently this mobo with the stock firmware doesn't like linux |
| 12:13.59 | darius12 | anyway, scripting it the way enouf proposed would be like 5 lines, so it doesn't seem like a problem |
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| 12:14.49 | enouf | it's a one-liner ;-) |
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| 12:15.22 | darius12 | one to get the selections, one to reinstall each one and two for the for loop :) |
| 12:15.23 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: On the same box? |
| 12:15.38 | darius12 | he wants an in-place install I think :) |
| 12:15.39 | blast_hardcheese | It's a one-liner on a new box |
| 12:15.48 | blast_hardcheese | I'd rather not reformat this thing |
| 12:15.56 | blast_hardcheese | I'm OK with rebooting a couple times |
| 12:15.58 | enouf | something silly like; apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg -l | grep ^.i | awk ) |
| 12:16.01 | enouf | gah |
| 12:16.29 | adb | !rebooting |
| 12:16.29 | dpkg | i heard rebooting is for adding hardware, or for kernel upgrades. In other cases, you probably don't need it. Ask me about <qotd2> |
| 12:16.33 | enouf | something silly like; apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg -l | grep ^.i | awk '{ print$2}') .. or something |
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| 12:17.15 | darius12 | :) |
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| 12:19.21 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: Rebooting a couple of times; I'm going to be rebooting if I'm reinstalling the kernel, I'm leaving space for one more reboot after that if I need to do anything else. |
| 12:21.47 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: not if you're reinstalling the same kernel .. or just pluck the linux-image-$(uname -r) out of the above (grep -v) and do it after as a separate process ..or .. whatever |
| 12:22.01 | blast_hardcheese | whatever indeed |
| 12:22.11 | blast_hardcheese | sounds like a plan |
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| 12:22.19 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: whatever you think you are doing .. to me is nothing short of .. sillyness ;-) |
| 12:23.11 | enouf | and .. leaving space |
| 12:23.13 | enouf | ? |
| 12:23.25 | enouf | you mean as in; space/time continuum? |
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| 12:27.39 | H2S04 | enouf, what it's space time!? |
| 12:28.03 | enouf | H2S04: in a word -> "warped" |
| 12:29.31 | enouf | don't give me fodder or i'll have to spank your mudder :-P |
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| 12:30.04 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: Yes, whatever I am thinking of doing to you is very close to silliness |
| 12:30.53 | blast_hardcheese | (Yes, I strategically ignored the ellipses, but who's counting) |
| 12:31.51 | enouf | interjects an appropriate comma |
| 12:32.33 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: btw, what's the mainboard that needed a bios upgrade? |
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| 12:32.53 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: and |
| 12:33.16 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: ECS P4M800PRO-M478 |
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| 12:33.32 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: and "bunch of read errors"? means what exactly? do you happen to have a newer Hitachi HDD? |
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| 12:34.21 | blast_hardcheese | Huh? |
| 12:34.26 | enouf | ooo .. i have an ECS i need to test/put together yet, got the k8m800 |
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| 12:34.55 | enouf | huh huh? |
| 12:35.20 | enouf | awaits the moans |
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| 12:36.11 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 12:36.44 | Ace2016 | is there a way to set up something like raid0 but at the filesystem level which allows two partitions to be used as one big partition? |
| 12:36.58 | Ace2016 | but not raid0 since everything will be gone if one drive fails |
| 12:37.02 | enouf | lvm? |
| 12:37.10 | Ace2016 | i want something where if one drive dies then the data on the other drive will be ok |
| 12:37.20 | enouf | raid1 |
| 12:37.37 | Ace2016 | i mean randomly half of the data will survive |
| 12:37.52 | enouf | and i thought blast_hardcheese was silly |
| 12:37.56 | Ace2016 | so the filesystem puts half the data on one and half on the other and can be separated without notice |
| 12:37.59 | Ace2016 | :( |
| 12:38.19 | Ace2016 | kind of like a dual partition file system |
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| 12:39.23 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: I don't quite understand what you meant by "Bunch of read errors" |
| 12:39.45 | Ace2016 | ok well i guess i'll load balance myself, how hard could it be |
| 12:39.51 | enouf | <blast_hardcheese> The machine takes forever to start, has a bunch of red errors where there should be none, and is generally slow to get going |
| 12:40.21 | blast_hardcheese | "red errors" != "read errors" |
| 12:40.31 | enouf | ... |
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| 12:40.45 | enouf | goes out to slaughter some turkeys |
| 12:41.04 | blast_hardcheese | on the upside, this machine is really zippy now |
| 12:41.09 | blast_hardcheese | which is amazing |
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| 12:41.16 | rhineheart_m | hello.. I installed xen. Now, I have problem with it. How can I boot up the box using the original state of debian? |
| 12:41.18 | blast_hardcheese | I thought I was going to have to chuck this HDD |
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| 12:42.17 | Ace2016 | enouf: why so early? |
| 12:42.49 | enouf | Ace2016: i'm seeing red? :-P |
| 12:43.25 | rhineheart_m | Is there something that I can alter in the menu.lst in /boot/grub? |
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| 12:44.28 | scientes | rhineheart_m, your old kernel should still be there |
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| 12:44.33 | rhineheart_m | In a way that this "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-6-486" will be used during boot up instead of "Xen 3.1.0 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-xen" ? |
| 12:44.37 | enouf | rhineheart_m: do you understand how menu.lst entries work? note how the AUTOMAGIC area is different, read the file's comments, and man grub |
| 12:44.44 | scientes | yeah rhineheart_m |
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| 12:45.14 | rhineheart_m | scientes, mmm.. can I PM you so that you can view my menu.lst? |
| 12:45.20 | scientes | sure |
| 12:45.23 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 12:45.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:45.38 | rhineheart_m | scientes, thanks.. Preparing for pastebin |
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| 12:48.09 | dutchfish | can anyone explain why i get: eth0: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO, on debian lenny with Communication controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express MEI Controller (rev 02), latest stock kernel: 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 18:25:23 UTC 2008 x86_64? |
| 12:48.40 | scientes | dutchfish, try ethtool |
| 12:48.54 | vaq | Can I turn off the "end_request: I/O error, dev sdXX, sector 0" errors from getting logged and spammed in console? |
| 12:49.17 | dutchfish | scientes, i tried to switch TSO with ethtool, got error not allowed as root |
| 12:49.20 | scientes | vaq, use tty1 instead of tty0 |
| 12:49.31 | scientes | dutchfish, then use sudo |
| 12:49.35 | vaq | scientes: I want to turn them off so they don't get logged either |
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| 12:49.40 | scientes | vaq idk |
| 12:49.42 | vaq | scientes: I get all these logs because of multipath iscsi |
| 12:49.44 | enouf | scientes: tty0 is the current terminal |
| 12:49.55 | scientes | realy enouf? |
| 12:50.17 | scientes | didnt know that, i guess it starts at 1 then |
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| 12:50.45 | enouf | vaq: consider sending all console messages to something like tty12 or so - otherwise you'll need to mess with the kernel's printk/ring buffer settings |
| 12:50.55 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 12:51.33 | vaq | enouf: Okay, how can I do that? |
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| 12:51.49 | enouf | vaq: edit /etc/syslog.conf accordingly |
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| 12:52.57 | dutchfish | scientes, i enabled with sudo, now i can disbale/enable as root too, what is this dark magic? |
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| 12:53.43 | scientes | idk, i just knew ethtool would be an approite tool |
| 12:53.48 | klbate | How do I change the time that Iceweasel allows before deciding that a server isn't responding and aborts the connection attempt? It seems to be set to 10 seconds here which is way too short when using Tor. |
| 12:53.52 | vaq | enouf: that's just the log files, my tty is still spammed |
| 12:54.13 | enouf | scientes: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/devices.txt#L210 and then jump down to line 3248 |
| 12:54.32 | enouf | vaq: no, it's not just the log files |
| 12:54.37 | dutchfish | scientes, ethtool -K eth0 tso on run first as root not allowed, now it allows me as root to do after using sudo 1 time with the same command |
| 12:55.17 | scientes | dutchfish, if you want to make your computer insecure you can allways do a chmod +s |
| 12:55.34 | scientes | or add it to sudoers as NOPASSWD |
| 12:55.37 | vaq | enouf: so *.=warn tty12 ? |
| 12:55.50 | dutchfish | scientes, no id ont want to make my computer insecure, but i do want checksum offloading by hardware not software |
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| 12:56.34 | enouf | vaq: something like that .. yes .. i forget exact syntax |
| 12:56.35 | dutchfish | scientes, the stockkernel assumes bugs with 100mb with e1000 adapters that where solved along time ago :D |
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| 12:57.15 | scientes | well i dont know anything more that what i said |
| 12:57.18 | dutchfish | scientes, when running xen you run into perf problems |
| 12:57.20 | scientes | im actually quite a noob |
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| 12:58.02 | dutchfish | scientes, no worry i am even more newb after using debian for 5 years |
| 12:58.16 | scientes | :) |
| 12:58.25 | dutchfish | scientes, the more you know, the more you see what you still need to learn |
| 12:58.44 | scientes | ive wanted to use xen but im already uning vmware on the machine i would want to use xen on, and you cant use both |
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| 12:59.24 | dutchfish | scientes, xen rocks nowadays also kvm is coming up to steam, very nice new things in latest kernels |
| 12:59.39 | scientes | yep and its all os too :) |
| 12:59.44 | scientes | FOSS |
| 12:59.52 | dutchfish | you bet |
| 12:59.57 | blast_hardcheese | I'm considering using xen on one of my servers, consolidating all the services not based on file storage on that machine, then use my other boxes as file servers |
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| 13:00.48 | dutchfish | scientes, delve into virtio module, nice development (performance/security) also new crypte stuff and better hardware support |
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| 13:00.58 | scientes | isnt xen supose to get really good disk performance with physical disks? |
| 13:01.04 | enouf | vaq: man sysklogd and man 2 syslog are good reads |
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| 13:01.12 | scientes | or cant you dedicate controllers to xen etc? |
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| 13:01.26 | chemmmy | anyone worked with dancer ircd? preticulary the services |
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| 13:01.57 | dutchfish | scientes, xen disk reads rocks, but without virtio writing is not as good as it can be, thats solved now in the properiarity part and some managed to use that in open source too already |
| 13:02.03 | User1 | Hi, I'm using Debian stable/etch 4.0r4a. I need to install the package solr-tomcat5.5 which is only available in testing/lenny, so I've added it to /etc/apt/sources.list. I could install it this way some weeks ago when I installed it on another server, but now it doesn't work (on a new server). I've checked on packages.debian.org and it says it's in testing/lenny, but I still can't install it with apt-get, it cannot find the package. So I added sid/unstable t |
| 13:02.41 | scientes | cool |
| 13:02.41 | dutchfish | scientes, they are also working on ballooning atm |
| 13:02.58 | scientes | really cool |
| 13:03.12 | dutchfish | scientes, xen 5 really blowed my socks off |
| 13:03.35 | scientes | maybe i should convert my 1 vmware machine |
| 13:04.23 | dutchfish | scientes, use what you are comforatble with, but i changed over to xen on server and kvm/virtio on desktop, there kvm wins over vmware hands down |
| 13:05.09 | scientes | i just like how domUs can basically be the same as Dom0s |
| 13:05.20 | dutchfish | scientes, that is if you are using quiet new hardware with CPU's that suppoprt kvm well |
| 13:05.27 | enouf | dutchfish: do dbugs #505440 and #426465 and http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-netdev/2008/10/16/3674714 seem apropos to your issue? |
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| 13:05.32 | scientes | i could do a router in a vm directly attached to pci/ethernet cards right? |
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| 13:06.02 | rhineheart_m | why is it that the packages of xen in debian repo is very old already? |
| 13:06.05 | enouf | dutchfish: also - the e1000e eeprom issue are/were recently still being worked on |
| 13:06.11 | j_engelh | what's the solution to this debian-specific error? http://rafb.net/p/sZyjNr18.html |
| 13:06.26 | scientes | i cant use kvm on this 2nd server, my main machine can but i dont really want to use a server kernlel and i have to turn it off to sleep |
| 13:06.36 | enouf | dutchfish: s/quiet/quite ;-) |
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| 13:06.43 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, this could definitely have to do with my issue, thank you Sir, i will delve into it |
| 13:06.48 | scientes | also there is a kernel bug where my hard drive dissapears if i suspend |
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| 13:07.22 | enouf | dutchfish: np |
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| 13:07.56 | dutchfish | enouf, when disabling ipv6 it seams to solve other problems too (dropped packets in xen on /dev/eth0) |
| 13:08.03 | j_engelh | there is no /dev/eth0 |
| 13:08.14 | wiedenma1n | I am searching for a wireless usb adapter with an antenna that works under Debian, any suggestions please? |
| 13:08.20 | j_engelh | and if you have to disable ipv6 to make it work, it just shows you have a configuration problem in the first place, and it's not v6 |
| 13:08.27 | Ace2016 | OMG I ENCRYPTED THE WRONG PARTITION! |
| 13:08.29 | enouf | dutchfish: righto |
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| 13:09.03 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 13:09.14 | earthian | Hello |
| 13:09.38 | enouf | j_engelh: wrong |
| 13:10.19 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, 2.6.18 is still the dom0 kernel in xen 5, but you can use newer kernels for guest |
| 13:11.02 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, dont know if debian is gone support better xen setup out of the box, in lenny its still not complete, you have to do alot yourself |
| 13:11.12 | j_engelh | enouf: wrong what |
| 13:11.19 | petemc | dutchfish: how so? lenny has a working dom0 kernel now |
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| 13:12.15 | earthian | I have few issues that i would like to find out more about: 1. The sound in my aspire one netbook always resets to "default" values, i.e. front and headphones also all capture are zero% and not muted. If I change them to 100% after reboot they get back to 0%. I have Debian/lenny with kernel version 2.6.27 that is latest from "deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main". |
| 13:12.20 | dutchfish | petemc, yes, but working does not mean you have the best performance with the latest xen (delve into virtio as i said before) |
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| 13:12.29 | CaT[t3] | rxvt-unicode++ |
| 13:12.34 | earthian | I think I have alsa 1.0.17 |
| 13:12.36 | enouf | j_engelh: wrong all |
| 13:12.39 | valdyn | earthian: install linux-sound-base |
| 13:12.52 | klbate | Anyone know how to change the connection timeout in Firefox? |
| 13:12.59 | klbate | ...Iceweasel. |
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| 13:13.11 | petemc | dutchfish: no, it would be unreasonable to expect lenny to have the latest and greatest, but what it does has does cover "working" |
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| 13:14.20 | dutchfish | petemc, yup, but there are still rough edges in http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 13:14.56 | enouf | earthian: install alsautils, otherwise run alsaconf (set up your card), dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base (select alsa), and alsactl -store |
| 13:14.57 | dutchfish | petemc, its ... ehe ... still testing |
| 13:15.24 | enouf | earthian: oh, valdyn 's reply might do it by itself .. |
| 13:15.31 | earthian | ok thank you enouf, will try this. |
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| 13:16.05 | enouf | still alsautils has alsamixer ;-) |
| 13:16.13 | earthian | another issue: hibernate and suspend works in my aspire one netbook, however when battery gets empty laptop does not hibernate or suspend |
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| 13:16.23 | Doctor-Steve_ | i have a standard install of debian etch, trying to do an apt-get instal build-essential but it wont find the package... what do i do? |
| 13:16.39 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 13:16.39 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 13:16.40 | themill | dpkg: tell Doctor-Steve_ about bat |
| 13:16.41 | earthian | enouf: alsamixer changes the values but after reboot they change back, i will check later what you have suggested here |
| 13:16.48 | peleg | on htop, while showing cpu in text mode, what is the difference between the green number, the red number after "sys:" and the blue number under "low"? |
| 13:16.50 | Doctor-Steve_ | themill? |
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| 13:17.21 | enouf | earthian: aye |
| 13:17.22 | dutchfish | earthian, i saw some issues too on my laptop, it was assuming too late that hiber needs to run and ran out of juice during its hybernate shutdown |
| 13:17.27 | petemc | Doctor-Steve_: is your sources.list set up correctly? |
| 13:17.36 | Doctor-Steve_ | themill, ive enabled all the sources.list but what one do i need for build-essential? |
| 13:17.42 | themill | Doctor-Steve_: read the message that dpkg just sent you and please provide the additional information it asks for. |
| 13:17.49 | j_engelh | enouf: baka |
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| 13:18.05 | earthian | dutchfish: mine does not hibernate at all, it reports battery alright, everything is ok, but it simply does not do this when it shoud..that is annoying! |
| 13:18.07 | earthian | :) |
| 13:18.09 | Doctor-Steve_ | i have "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contribute non-free" |
| 13:18.16 | Doctor-Steve_ | thats pretty much the only deb i have |
| 13:18.24 | themill | Doctor-Steve_: that's not a mirror though, that's only for security updates |
| 13:18.24 | Doctor-Steve_ | that and the same line with deb-src in front of it |
| 13:18.28 | enouf | peleg: you can alter the color preferences, so coloring schemes might not mean much - let me see here though |
| 13:18.31 | Doctor-Steve_ | kk :) |
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| 13:18.34 | Doctor-Steve_ | so i need a mirror :) |
| 13:18.42 | themill | dpkg: tell Doctor-Steve_ about mirrors |
| 13:19.04 | themill | Doctor-Steve_: the ftp.au.debian.org mirror can be a bit up and down though. See how you go with it. |
| 13:19.11 | dutchfish | earthian, mm... could be a false awake in acpid preventing a hibernate... using lenny? 32/64 bit? |
| 13:19.19 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 13:19.34 | enouf | j_engelh: bozo ;-) |
| 13:19.40 | j_engelh | dude wtf is your problem |
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| 13:19.50 | earthian | another issue: i have splashy on with some nice debian boot image. i have noticed that not always my laptop shuts down completely. I need to go through the ALT+CTRL+Fx to "wake up" the splashy and shut down process to continue.. |
| 13:20.00 | enouf | ok, into the bozo box you go my dear |
| 13:20.00 | earthian | dutchfish: lenny 32b |
| 13:20.37 | Doctor-Steve_ | themill, thanks :) |
| 13:20.39 | valdyn | petemc: press H for "Help" |
| 13:20.48 | petemc | H |
| 13:20.51 | petemc | didnt work |
| 13:20.56 | dutchfish | earthian, thought that that one was fixed in latest xorg-core |
| 13:20.57 | valdyn | ops |
| 13:20.58 | petemc | :) |
| 13:21.04 | valdyn | peleg: press H for "Help" |
| 13:21.11 | earthian | also i have this annoying dhclient doing queries at the boot up process even when the cample is not in in the netbook.. any idea how to prevent this? |
| 13:21.15 | peleg | enouf, I guesses colours does not necessarily mean anything; hence I've added "sys" and "low". valdyn I'll do it |
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| 13:21.34 | petemc | earthian: is your interface set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:21.36 | theDoc | Is there a link where I can see all the avaliable debian repos? |
| 13:21.40 | enouf | peleg: right - i have none of that displaying here atm |
| 13:22.20 | peleg | enouf, you need to change (using F2) to text mode (instead of bar) in order to see it |
| 13:22.24 | peleg | valdyn, it does not help |
| 13:22.40 | valdyn | peleg: so you cannot read? |
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| 13:23.31 | peleg | valdyn, I am not sure I understand you. The help page does not explain what "sys" and "low" mean in the text display of cpu usage |
| 13:23.32 | themill | dpkg: tell theDoc about mirrors |
| 13:23.34 | earthian | petemc: i have only loopback in my interfaces file. i have ticked it in the network-manager like my wireless interface so that whenever i plug in a cable or if wireless if i get in range of a known network i get connected also to see available networks in network-manage applet.. |
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| 13:23.40 | earthian | i forgot how it is called :x |
| 13:23.53 | theDoc | themill: Thanks! |
| 13:23.58 | themill | np |
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| 13:24.03 | peleg | valdyn, also, in man they don't talk about it |
| 13:24.03 | dutchfish | earthian, dont know that one, because i dont use a "cample". But i do no that udev sometimes messes up when you have more connection profiles |
| 13:24.14 | valdyn | peleg: except for the line that starts with "CPU usage bar:" |
| 13:24.15 | petemc | earthian: oh, i dont know much about network mangler |
| 13:24.43 | earthian | k |
| 13:24.58 | peleg | valdyn, enough, I am not an idiot. I am NOT using a cpu usage BAR, I am using a cpu usage TEXT. it is different |
| 13:25.07 | valdyn | peleg: right |
| 13:25.10 | earthian | i will go away in a bit to get my laptop to my work where i am now... then i will check things :) |
| 13:25.23 | valdyn | peleg: youre not an idiot, but that line is valid for text display just the same |
| 13:25.29 | earthian | thanks a lot for your suggestions and ideas and comments. |
| 13:25.43 | peleg | valdyn, where does it say there what "sys" means? |
| 13:25.53 | valdyn | peleg: the red text |
| 13:26.03 | enouf | peleg: F2 > Display Options > Detailed CPU time (System/IO-Wait/Hard-IRQ/Soft-IRQ) ????? |
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| 13:26.11 | dutchfish | earthian, hard to admit but in kubuntu 8.1 they solved multiple connections nicely, you can delve into it how they did that |
| 13:26.33 | valdyn | got to report a bug that this is totally non-obvious |
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| 13:26.51 | peleg | enouf, F2 -> Left column -> All CPUs -> F4 to change modes until you reach [Text] |
| 13:27.07 | enouf | all righty .. |
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| 13:27.33 | peleg | valdyn, ok, it's red, but what does it mean? or in other words: why are the numbers there not equal to the numbers written in my list of processes? (it should be the sum, isn't it?) |
| 13:27.35 | dutchfish | earthian, however they run at 2.6.27.7 |
| 13:27.52 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.07 | valdyn | peleg: theoretically, maybe, but practically measuring cpu usage is just very inaccurate |
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| 13:29.22 | peleg | valdyn, ok. still, do you know the answer to my original question: what does "sys" means? What are the processes that are responsible for that cpu, and how can I kill them, for example? |
| 13:29.33 | earthian | dutchfish: i have no multiple connections |
| 13:29.41 | valdyn | peleg: the red text said "kernel" |
| 13:29.46 | earthian | issue is that dhclient starts even if no cable is in eth0 |
| 13:29.49 | valdyn | peleg: is that still unclear? |
| 13:29.53 | dutchfish | earthian, i thought you mentioned wireless and wired connection |
| 13:30.04 | earthian | yes, they are configured the same |
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| 13:30.11 | earthian | i.e. that mobilidy thing.. |
| 13:30.20 | peleg | valdyn, what does "kernel" means? |
| 13:30.22 | dutchfish | earthian, still more then 1 :D |
| 13:30.23 | valdyn | peleg: but the proper description could be "time spent in system calls", i dont know wtf the htop devs are doing |
| 13:30.38 | enouf | oo.. this is schweet -> CPU: 11.5% sy: 3.8% ni: 0.0% hi: 0.6% si: 0.6% wa: ;-) |
| 13:30.57 | peleg | enouf, is it in top? |
| 13:31.28 | enouf | but .. sigh, using linux console over xterm requires me to click the F2___ area, the F2 key doesn't do anything :-( |
| 13:31.31 | enouf | peleg: htop |
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| 13:31.52 | enouf | peleg: enable the Detailed CPU time (System/IO-Wait/Hard-IRQ/Soft-IRQ) option i mentioned |
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| 13:32.10 | peleg | valdyn, so: there is no way to kill processes from this "kernel", in order to relief my cpu usage? I just have to live with it? |
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| 13:32.19 | peleg | enouf, using top it's the default, probably |
| 13:32.35 | enouf | i wonder if man vmstat is apropos ;-) |
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| 13:33.03 | klbate | How do you change the connection timeout in Iceweasel? |
| 13:33.10 | valdyn | peleg: do you not know what the kernel is? |
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| 13:33.23 | enouf | here we go .. |
| 13:33.41 | valdyn | peleg: i can see that you dont understand why *it* is spending time doing system calls |
| 13:33.56 | peleg | valdyn, not sure. the core system processes, I guess? but if these need "refreshment" - that is, restart... how can I trace those who "need it the most"? |
| 13:33.58 | valdyn | peleg: im sure wikipedia has a better explanation than i do |
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| 13:34.26 | enouf | plots to generate a !Turkeyday factoid akin to the !Sunday one ;-) |
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| 13:34.42 | peleg | valdyn, because it reaches more than 5% and stays there for hours sometimes |
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| 13:34.53 | valdyn | peleg: what does? sys? |
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| 13:34.59 | valdyn | peleg: what is running? |
| 13:34.59 | peleg | valdyn, yes |
| 13:35.25 | peleg | valdyn, almost nothing. it's not my personal pc I am talking about, but my server. apache, mysql, etc |
| 13:35.34 | adiais | Hrm.. quick question. I have a small department, not more than 75 people. I'd like to setup a small, simple IRC server for people to use as a simple communicaitons venue if they wish. Nothing fancy, nothign that's going to be a hassle to maintain. Just login, join and chat. Any suggestions? |
| 13:35.35 | enouf | klbate: how about somewhere in about:config ? |
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| 13:35.59 | Neaai | adiais: you could check unrealircd |
| 13:36.01 | enouf | klbate: enter "about:config" into the address/location bar |
| 13:36.13 | valdyn | peleg: apache is nothing? |
| 13:36.22 | enouf | klbate: then search for timeout ? |
| 13:36.25 | valdyn | peleg: maybe something is actually using that apache or that mysql |
| 13:36.25 | adiais | Neaai: Thanks much. Am looking now. /nod |
| 13:36.32 | peleg | valdyn, and bash, ssh, python, etc. apache is not nothing, but in the process list it says "apache 0% cpu" |
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| 13:36.38 | klbate | enouf: Nothing relevant there. |
| 13:36.57 | enouf | klbate: ok, how;s google? ;-) or mozillazine or somethin |
| 13:37.03 | klbate | Nothing found. |
| 13:37.10 | enouf | O_o |
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| 13:37.14 | peleg | valdyn, all I am trying to say, is that I don't know how to trace the things that are eating the cpu, since in the list almost all of them are 0%, and some are 0.3 or 0.5... |
| 13:37.17 | valdyn | peleg: should probably be around 1% usually when nothing happens |
| 13:37.33 | dutchfish | mumbles about latencytop |
| 13:37.39 | klbate | It's annoying because it gives up after 10 seconds, which isn't nearly enough when I'm using Tor. |
| 13:37.40 | enouf | klbate: some other about: thingy? how about plain old preferences? |
| 13:37.46 | peleg | valdyn, at the moment it is 1.1%, but half an hour ago it was 12%, and then 5% for a few minutes |
| 13:37.47 | valdyn | peleg: but this naturally depends on the computer |
| 13:37.56 | valdyn | peleg: so something was running |
| 13:38.04 | klbate | enouf: Looked through all the network related config variables, didn't find anything. |
| 13:38.05 | enouf | peleg: oh dear - trace the cpu? |
| 13:38.11 | peleg | valdyn, I believe so; but the list did *not* show it. |
| 13:38.17 | valdyn | peleg: thats ok |
| 13:38.21 | enouf | peleg: you want systemtap or dtrace for linux ;-) |
| 13:38.30 | peleg | enouf, hmm? |
| 13:38.40 | enouf | peleg: or use btrfs (still very beta) |
| 13:38.57 | enouf | klbate: i don't know then .. sorry |
| 13:38.59 | peleg | enouf, what does it do? |
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| 13:39.01 | valdyn | hows btrfs related to this? |
| 13:39.11 | enouf | valdyn: dtrace-ability |
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| 13:40.06 | enouf | mumbles back to dutchfish something about iotop, and vmstat :-p |
| 13:40.15 | dutchfish | :) |
| 13:40.41 | dutchfish | enouf, i know for latecytop to work you have to enable that in the kernel and lenny doesnt do that (yet?) :D |
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| 13:41.01 | valdyn | rebuilding or checking raids should give high sys |
| 13:41.01 | enouf | dutchfish: wishlist bug? |
| 13:41.14 | dutchfish | s/latecytop/latencytop |
| 13:41.17 | valdyn | but other than that, its not usual i guess, but then again 5% isnt really that much either |
| 13:41.22 | dutchfish | enouf, already there |
| 13:41.38 | enouf | dutchfish: maybe i'll join the parade ;-) |
| 13:41.48 | Germanaz0 | hi |
| 13:41.49 | Neaai | adiais: http://anope.info/wiki/IRCd Check that too if you'll need services |
| 13:41.50 | dutchfish | enouf, thumbs up for enouf |
| 13:41.52 | Germanaz0 | I have a question |
| 13:41.57 | peleg | valdyn, it's more like a general question; it happens a lot lately, and sometimes it's more than 5% (up to 15%, IIRC) |
| 13:42.06 | Germanaz0 | I wanna the gnome repository but cannot find the correct one |
| 13:42.59 | klbate | While I'm here, does anyone know why kacpid would be running at 5% CPU and the disk LED would be constantly on when my laptop has woken up from suspend? |
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| 13:43.43 | peleg | enouf, that systemtap looks difficult to understand |
| 13:43.44 | dutchfish | enouf, it could not be more apropriate to do that in a testing distro ;), it eats some of performance thast why they decided prolly to not enable it by default |
| 13:44.10 | jaggz | virtualbox is saying The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and load the module named vboxdrv into your system. |
| 13:44.28 | jaggz | but .. I don't see such a package |
| 13:44.43 | enouf | peleg: it is ... |
| 13:44.58 | enouf | dutchfish: makes sense |
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| 13:45.42 | enouf | peleg: http://lwn.net/Articles/287906/ |
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| 13:46.40 | enouf | klbate: check the BTS |
| 13:47.00 | enouf | judd: versions virtualbox-ose-modules |
| 13:47.00 | judd | enouf: virtualbox-ose-modules -- |
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| 13:47.25 | enouf | !virtualbox |
| 13:47.25 | dpkg | well, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>. #vbox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:48.05 | j_engelh | vbox can't do 64-bit guests. not good. |
| 13:48.05 | enouf | goes out .. for some ... turkey! :-) |
| 13:48.17 | dustybin | I run a website what uses wordpress and zenphoto, im using 1 database with prefixes wp_ and zp_ does it make any difference using 1 database? or do you think i should use 2 databases. This website isnt busy at all, just a personal website |
| 13:48.21 | heyuxiang | i have an old computer with amd barton 2500+/nforece2 ultra 440/512M ram/geforce 5200 , should i sell it out or keep it there ? |
| 13:49.06 | peleg | enouf, thanks |
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| 13:49.54 | Mallxs | Dustybin: There is no Perfomace diff |
| 13:49.57 | dutchfish | dustybin, if your data in total is bigger then your available mem for it yes, otherwise no because 2 sep databases need more mem and that hits performance |
| 13:50.29 | dustybin | ace :-) |
| 13:51.00 | Germanaz0 | hi |
| 13:51.08 | Germanaz0 | someone know how to put that on repos http://repositories.alioth.debian.org/gnome-snapshot/ |
| 13:51.17 | dutchfish | dustybin, you might also tweak your mysql for it |
| 13:51.33 | themill | jaggz: /msg dpkg virtualbox lenny |
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| 13:52.10 | jaggz | I'm in etch .. sorry I didn't say that |
| 13:52.28 | adb | jaggz: uname -r |
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| 13:53.07 | jaggz | oh.. I was trying xen.. 2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-686 |
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| 13:53.59 | jaggz | will my 2.6.18-6-k7 kernel have /dev/vboxdrv built in? hmm.. |
| 13:54.52 | jaggz | I should reboot .. going to go get some medicine for my mother in law first though |
| 13:54.57 | jaggz | afk, thanks |
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| 13:56.59 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
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| 13:58.48 | rhineheart_m | SystemFAILURE, nice nick :) |
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| 13:59.30 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, must be windows ;) |
| 13:59.34 | adiais | !nickometer SystemFAILURE |
| 13:59.35 | dpkg | 'SystemFAILURE' is 99.710% lame, adiais |
| 13:59.41 | SystemFAILURE | rhineheart_m:: lol |
| 13:59.45 | SystemFAILURE | !nickometer adiais |
| 13:59.46 | dpkg | 'adiais' is 0.000% lame, systemfailure |
| 13:59.50 | SystemFAILURE | lol |
| 13:59.50 | adiais | WOOT! |
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| 14:00.25 | Germanaz0 | hi |
| 14:00.29 | adiais | SystemFAILURE: Btw, I agree with rhineheart_m, cool nick. /nod |
| 14:00.36 | Germanaz0 | how to put the snapshot repository on debian |
| 14:00.37 | SystemFAILURE | ;) |
| 14:00.41 | Germanaz0 | which is the correct one ? |
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| 14:01.38 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 14:01.38 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 14:02.09 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, can I ask fish from you? lol |
| 14:02.17 | rhineheart_m | I'm hungry man |
| 14:02.52 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, with or without unions? |
| 14:03.45 | rhineheart_m | with garlic, union, ginger, tomatoes and vinegar |
| 14:03.53 | adiais | With chips and malt vinegar, actually. |
| 14:04.03 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, well i gues i have to invite you for dinner then? |
| 14:04.44 | rhineheart_m | mmmm.. SystemFAILURE might report me to Mr. Gates |
| 14:04.48 | rhineheart_m | ;) |
| 14:04.51 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, and a nice cool beer |
| 14:05.02 | SystemFAILURE | rhineheart_m:: mmh ? |
| 14:05.19 | rhineheart_m | SystemFAILURE, nothing..:) |
| 14:05.19 | dutchfish | !beer rhineheart_m |
| 14:05.19 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for rhineheart_m |
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| 14:12.07 | Germanaz0 | hi I cannot add gnome snapshot repostiory |
| 14:12.09 | Germanaz0 | someone know how ? |
| 14:13.04 | dutchfish | Germanaz0, i have googled it up for you: http://repositories.alioth.debian.org/gnome-snapshot/ |
| 14:13.39 | Germanaz0 | bcz I tried |
| 14:13.40 | Germanaz0 | one |
| 14:13.42 | dutchfish | Germanaz0, and read the warning |
| 14:13.44 | Germanaz0 | but it was not correct |
| 14:14.00 | Germanaz0 | yes that |
| 14:14.05 | Germanaz0 | but is not correct for add |
| 14:14.35 | petemc | there is the possibility you are doing it wrong |
| 14:15.06 | Germanaz0 | I made that |
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| 14:15.14 | Germanaz0 | deb http://repositories.alioth.debian.org//gnome-snapshot/repo/ gnome-snapshot/amd64/ gnome-snapshot/all |
| 14:15.27 | petemc | Germanaz0: generally, people dont get help with bleeding edge stuff, if you want to that route, you're on your own |
| 14:15.35 | petemc | +go |
| 14:15.37 | Doctor-Steve_ | i have two interfaces on my debian machine here.... eth0 and eth1 i want to keep eth1 continously down what do i do in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:15.47 | Germanaz0 | uh petemc ? |
| 14:16.08 | petemc | Doctor-Steve_: dont have an auto line, or you could have no entries at all for eth1 |
| 14:16.17 | dutchfish | petemc, he is right the link is dead ... dont know either |
| 14:16.20 | Doctor-Steve_ | petemc, no entries at all makes it take up DHCP |
| 14:16.41 | petemc | Doctor-Steve_: that shouldnt be the case, is network manager controlling it? |
| 14:16.54 | Doctor-Steve_ | petemc, possibly |
| 14:17.01 | Doctor-Steve_ | petemc, anyway to disable network manager? |
| 14:17.43 | petemc | Doctor-Steve_: there should be a readme in /use/share/doc/network-manager/ |
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| 14:18.45 | Germanaz0 | so no snapshot for everybody ? |
| 14:18.57 | Doctor-Steve_ | petemc, also i want this box to be a server, basically i have VMware on this debian install running a bunch of OSs (windows 2k3, ubuntu, debian) and so I want to shove this box in a cupboard, how would i make it so that when it boots up, it logs in and does everything it needs to? |
| 14:18.58 | Germanaz0 | or maybe is a new repository around |
| 14:19.22 | petemc | Doctor-Steve_: what does it need to do? why would it need to log in? |
| 14:19.48 | dutchfish | Germanaz0, you should ask the maintainer, this is not an official repo as you know, i have no clue why |
| 14:20.01 | Doctor-Steve_ | petemc, does it need to login to start up vmware? or does it already start? |
| 14:20.09 | Germanaz0 | ok ty dutchfish |
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| 14:20.30 | petemc | Doctor-Steve_: pass, im not overly familiar with vmware |
| 14:21.00 | Doctor-Steve_ | petemc should it usually tho? |
| 14:21.05 | Doctor-Steve_ | petemc guess :p |
| 14:21.22 | petemc | why would i guess, why dont you test it |
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| 14:22.37 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, debian does not auto-login per default on vmware or not, you can configure to do that so |
| 14:23.15 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutchfish, what do u mean by that? |
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| 14:23.30 | goldeagle | hi people, I have a HP P1005 works in CUPS, but local only. I need print with windows remote, I configure in windows, I print, create of the queue, but no works. Can anybody help me ??? |
| 14:23.37 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, automatic use login, if i understand your question correctly |
| 14:23.43 | dutchfish | s/use/user |
| 14:24.05 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutchfish, im going to shove this pc in a cupboard, if i ever need to reboot it, i just want to be able to press the reboot button or type 'reboot' |
| 14:24.23 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutchfish, if i do this will i still be able to access my vms? |
| 14:24.31 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, sorry, you mean reboot the vm or the host? |
| 14:24.39 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutchfish, host... |
| 14:24.56 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutch, sorry... |
| 14:24.58 | Doctor-Steve_ | how do i set this up? |
| 14:25.00 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, thats a vmware configuration i gues |
| 14:25.21 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutchfish, i need debian to login tho and start a session, how do i get it to autologin? |
| 14:25.39 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, login into what? |
| 14:25.58 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutchfish, when u first start the machine up, it asks to login as a user.... |
| 14:26.31 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, too autmate that you can configure auto-login within debian itself, as that what you mean? |
| 14:27.01 | Doctor-Steve_ | yea :) |
| 14:27.38 | d-b | use gdm |
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| 14:28.39 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, if you have kde you can use controlcenter for that, on gnome i dont know at the top of my head |
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| 14:29.24 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, on a console you might use mingetty for it: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/LG/issue27/kodis.html |
| 14:29.29 | Doctor-Steve_ | kk :) |
| 14:29.31 | Doctor-Steve_ | thanks :) |
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| 14:32.43 | endra | hey |
| 14:32.49 | endra | how can I check memory usage for every program running? |
| 14:33.06 | dtcrshr | top |
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| 14:33.15 | dtcrshr | maybe |
| 14:33.25 | bw\ | likes htop |
| 14:33.29 | themill | !show memory usage |
| 14:33.29 | dpkg | it has been said that show memory usage is ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size | sort -n -k5 |
| 14:33.41 | endra | thanks |
| 14:34.33 | endra | I don't thing these are accurate |
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| 14:34.45 | endra | I have about 7.5GB of ram being used, and I'm not sure on what |
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| 14:36.22 | dutchfish | endra, cat /proc/meminfo probably that mem is used for caching |
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| 14:37.30 | endra | ahh that's fine then, I just wanted to make sure no one program was taking up all that memory |
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| 14:37.49 | dutchfish | endra, hey, this is linux ;) |
| 14:37.59 | endra | free -m shows 7500 cached, 7800 used |
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| 14:38.17 | dacs | Howdy all |
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| 14:38.38 | dutchfish | endra, the kernel normally uses all free mem for caching to speed up things |
| 14:39.10 | endra | ah ok |
| 14:40.03 | et | free memory is wasted memory ;) |
| 14:40.20 | endra | I was just worried because I setup rtorrent to seed for archlinux/debian/fc torrents and within 2-3 minutes it went from 7.5gb free to ~280 free, and I just wanted to make sure it won't slow down other processes like apache |
| 14:40.45 | et | if it's cached, it will be made available for other processes when they need it |
| 14:40.52 | endra | yup |
| 14:41.07 | tralala | endra, it will slow them. Running a torrent on a server is not a wise thing to do |
| 14:41.39 | endra | tralala: the server can handle it, I just didn't want them to be in swap |
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| 14:41.50 | et | if you call "free", it will have a row with "corrected" memory values |
| 14:42.11 | endra | et: ah ya, I just noticed that: -/+ buffers/cache |
| 14:42.23 | tralala | endra, there's nothing to prevent them from being swapped when rtorrent's cache eats up all the memory |
| 14:42.53 | endra | tralala: I was told that cache would not take priority over other applications |
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| 14:43.31 | dutchfish | tralala, partly true, transmission relies on kernel cache nowadays |
| 14:43.56 | tralala | endra, in my experience rtorrent slows down the running applications on a desktop machine |
| 14:44.02 | tralala | and makes them swap |
| 14:44.26 | tralala | dutchfish, I have no idea what you're saying |
| 14:44.46 | dutchfish | tralala, it depends on wich torrent client you use |
| 14:45.05 | endra | dutchfish: rtorrent is a command line client |
| 14:45.07 | dutchfish | tralala, transmission doesnt use its own cache but uses kernel cache |
| 14:45.32 | endra | tralala: thanks, I'll keep an eye on it. I think it will only use cache when it is downloading not when it would seed, but I'm not sure exactly how it works |
| 14:45.37 | dutchfish | tralala, maybe there ate others too, dont know |
| 14:45.46 | dutchfish | s/ate/are |
| 14:46.07 | tralala | dutchfish, ah, transmission is a torrent client. I don't know what rtorrent does, but it does slow down my machine to the point where it takes a few seconds to change focus |
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| 14:46.32 | dutchfish | tralala, endra a better way is to use a separate vm for this |
| 14:46.40 | endra | vm? |
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| 14:46.48 | dutchfish | vm = virtual machine |
| 14:47.13 | endra | like.. vmware virtual machine? |
| 14:47.21 | endra | wouldn't that just exchange cpu for memory? |
| 14:47.30 | dutchfish | endra, xen, kvm others ... plenty of chocies |
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| 14:47.58 | dutchfish | endra, 1. security 2. more grip on mem and cpu usage |
| 14:48.33 | endra | cache means disk write, right? |
| 14:48.40 | dutchfish | endra, no |
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| 14:50.28 | tralala | endra, it means disk I/O |
| 14:50.54 | dutchfish | endra, it is more like a buffer for disk reads and or writes |
| 14:51.35 | dutchfish | endra, it depends on how the kernel is configured how it exactly will work (timings etc) |
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| 14:52.13 | Dominicus | Does anyone know how to get around the compiz error of "Fatal: Failed test: texture_from_pixmap support". I have the 8776 debian repository nvidia driver installed per "http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers". As far as I know that's all I need to get the video driver working properly. |
| 14:52.18 | dutchfish | endra, but you dont need to tweak that, in stock kernels its already quiet nicely configured, hard to beat that |
| 14:52.50 | endra | I think it will be good ina few minutes when it's only seeding |
| 14:53.31 | Germanaz0 | cya all o/ |
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| 15:16.01 | Shadur | ... The hell? DF says /var has 5.4 gigs of 5.6 gigs used, but if I do a du /var as root it only manages to account for 1.6 gigs. Any suggestions where the other four gigs may have gone? |
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| 15:18.19 | Anthro | LVM snapshots FTW! Just recovered a mailbox for my mother that she accidentally deleted. |
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| 15:19.39 | bolt-work | Shadur: run lsof. might be some large temporary files. has that issue with /tmp a while ago |
| 15:19.55 | bolt-work | Shadur: lsof | grep /var. look for large stuff |
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| 15:20.56 | Shadur | bolt-work: lsof shows a couple hundred files open in /var, mostly apache access.log and error.log files |
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| 15:22.00 | bolt-work | Shadur: it's probably the sum of some of those files. nothing to worry about |
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| 15:22.20 | bolt-work | Shadur: you could try booting from something else and running df and du then. i'm pretty sure they'd match up |
| 15:22.31 | Shadur | bolt-work: But those files are counted in du and they're not that large in total. |
| 15:22.41 | Shadur | bolt-work: /var is filling up and it's nothing to worry about? I beg to differ. |
| 15:23.11 | bolt-work | Shadur: filling up is something to worry about. the inconsistency between du and df is generally not |
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| 15:26.27 | bolt-work | four gigs is a lot though... |
| 15:26.34 | bolt-work | sure lsof doesn't list anything abnormally big? |
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| 15:28.47 | Shadur | bolt-work: apache2 3389 www-data 286w REG 8,7 28066285 3632 /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 15:28.47 | Shadur | Would that count as abnormally high? It's the same size I see it as in /, but that particular entry is repeated a hell of a lot of times. |
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| 15:32.43 | Speereet | Hello. 1) I want to do a network install of debian unstable on production machines. Should I install debian testing, and then upgrade by properly altering apt/sources.list? 2) I want to do a minimal installation of debian on another partition of this machine. 2.1) Where can I find a recent basesystem to place in that partition and then proceed with manual configuration. 2.2) Does the APT or DPKG system have a method to automagically achieve that result? |
| 15:34.21 | themill | Speereet: you can't install unstable directly; testing (and unstable) are not suitable for production machines. |
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| 15:34.51 | Shadur | Speereet: Install a baseline testing dist, then alter all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable... But if you're going to run unstable on production machines, understand that this is at your own risk. |
| 15:35.02 | themill | Speereet: You may also like to look at debootstrap for creating a minimal installation while running on something else. /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 15:35.58 | Speereet | themill: Indeed, debootstrap is what I need. |
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| 15:36.51 | earthian | i am back. hello again everubody. thanks to enuf and valdyn for help in fixing my sound - it works as i want now. |
| 15:37.07 | earthian | also dhclient problem is solved too now :) |
| 15:38.07 | jair | good morning, if I have a machine with debian etch r5, this is the most stable version but does not support my sound card and wireless card :( I am running a kernel 2.6.18-6-686, I have been looking for the pros and cons of installing "etchandhalf" or use testing, but I am trying to keep my laptop as stable as possible |
| 15:38.23 | Speereet | Shadur, themill: Either way, it's at my own risk. I had had stable installed on desktop production machines, and an unmanageable amount of issues arose, mainly due to ageing of software. Of course, my production servers have stable installed. |
| 15:38.38 | Speereet | Shadur, themill: thank you both. :-) |
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| 15:42.59 | Shadur | Desktop machines are slightly less critical, as long as their user knows enough of the debian basics to troubleshoot when an upgrade breaks something. |
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| 15:43.20 | jair | Shadur: is that for me? |
| 15:43.48 | themill | jair: what's the sound card and what's the wireless card? |
| 15:43.49 | kghunt | when communication with my modem i get the following error flooding the terminal "too much work for irq4" any ideas? |
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| 15:44.19 | jair | themill: Thank you very much I will provide both right now |
| 15:44.42 | themill | jair: the output of "lspci -nn" for those two devices is the most useful |
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| 15:45.21 | Shadur | Found it. |
| 15:45.26 | Shadur | mysqld 29854 mysql 13w REG 8,7 4194924548 0 12583913 /var/log/mysql.log (deleted) |
| 15:46.22 | Speereet | Shadur: actually, I have unstable installed in a virtual machine with the software used at the institution, then I upgrade it, check its functionality, and upgrade one of the least used workstations, double check the functionality, and finally upgrade every machine. No user has ability to upgrade software, but me. |
| 15:46.27 | kghunt | too much work for irq 4 does anyone know what this means? |
| 15:46.45 | Shadur | kghunt: That your hardware is at least half a decade old, possibly more. |
| 15:47.06 | jair | themill: ok |
| 15:47.22 | kghunt | 4 years maybe |
| 15:47.26 | kghunt | ill give you that |
| 15:47.35 | kghunt | its a 1.8 ghz celeron |
| 15:47.37 | jair | themill: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03) |
| 15:47.51 | gentlyninja | how can i find out which device is my mixer? i need a /dev/mixer or suchlike for configuration of tvtime |
| 15:48.21 | kghunt | i never used to get this issue |
| 15:48.49 | jair | themill: that is the aduo one, when I run alsaconf it looks like find it and install it but when I run the alsamixer I don't get any sound, I try pressing the "m" make sure nothing is mute but not luck then I research and there is not support for it on alsa 1.0.13 = on kernel 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:49.16 | themill | jair: the etchnhalf kernel will do very nicely with that sound card. Or you an use 2.6.26 from backports.org. |
| 15:50.21 | themill | jair: err.. actually, kmuto's site is indicating that card needs 2.6.25 or newer (i.e. not the etchnhalf kernel). |
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| 15:51.01 | jair | themill: so should I install the newer kernel from backports? |
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| 15:51.31 | kghunt | is there a work around or fix for this irq problem? |
| 15:51.32 | themill | jair: that would probably be the easiest approach. stable > backports > testing, as a general rule. |
| 15:52.46 | jair | themill: I see, now I am trying to figure out how to find my wifi card |
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| 15:53.20 | themill | jair: it will probably be in the output of: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 15:53.42 | jair | ok |
| 15:54.10 | jair | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Unknown device [8086:1049] (rev 03) |
| 15:54.13 | jair | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Unknown device [8086:4230] (rev 61) |
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| 15:54.25 | ilaiho | hi! |
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| 15:54.40 | jair | themill: that card is not even recognized by my kernel 2.6.18-6-686 :( |
| 15:54.55 | jair | I will try installing the newer kernel. |
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| 15:55.19 | themill | jair: "update-pciids" will give their names. The first of those is your wired card (e1000e) |
| 15:55.29 | nightstrike_ | only one core works on my 2.6.18-6-686 kernel |
| 15:55.31 | ilaiho | does etchnhalf come with kvm |
| 15:55.48 | nightstrike_ | what am i missing here? |
| 15:56.16 | jair | themill: it's update-pciids a command? |
| 15:56.20 | themill | jair: the second of them is a 4965 which is supported with debian kernels after 2.6.23 with the iwl4965 driver. /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 15:56.21 | themill | jair: yes |
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| 15:57.08 | jair | themill: great, I did run the command :) |
| 15:57.27 | themill | jair: the output of lspci will now have more information |
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| 15:57.49 | jair | ok I guess I will download that kernel and start working on the sound then download I guess the firmware, drivers for the wifi card from intel |
| 15:57.55 | jair | :) |
| 15:58.10 | themill | jair: indeed. It's not that hard... If you've not used backports.org before, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:58.15 | acutedeath | argrhhjrr! I can't get my custom kernel to mount the file system for anything! it doesn |
| 15:58.20 | acutedeath | t take bribes |
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| 15:59.55 | jair | themill: Thank you very much, I think I have a very good path here |
| 16:00.29 | jair | themill: I really appreciate your help on this, I knew I could make my laptop work with debian :P |
| 16:00.42 | themill | jair: no worries. Have fun with it! |
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| 16:03.32 | jair | themill: Thank you, take care |
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| 16:11.05 | jair | themill: another quick question, if I am running blackbox and as you know the graphical tools are mostly command interface, is there a comnmand line power configurator like the "alsamixer" to configure the porwer? By the way the sound works like a charm :D |
| 16:12.01 | Lagbolt | jair, you want to configure the power in what way? |
| 16:12.30 | themill | jair: glad your sound is fixed, but I have nfc about blackbox. Ask the channel not one person as you're more like to get answers. |
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| 16:15.21 | Lagbolt | i havent used blackbox in a long time. . . not even sure it has a tray like fluxbox. probably not. but if you are looking to just control power and things like that you can run things in the background to monitor power usage and popup xdialogs to warn for low power etc etc |
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| 16:19.34 | Torne | built new computer, booted fresh lenny install, and khubd hangs usually if any USB devices are plugged in. lsusb and anything else like that hang if you run them, and no devices get enumerated. is there any way to tell if this is a hardware problem? :) |
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| 16:20.12 | Torne | it doesn't appear to be deterministic: some combinations of usb devices in certain ports work, some don't, and sometimes it then doesn't work if you put it back how it was when it was working. |
| 16:20.19 | Torne | it also seems to work fine if you plug devices in after boot. |
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| 16:21.40 | Lagbolt | khubd? hmm dont know it. i do have a machine that struggles booting with certain usb devices plugged in. i have a usb to ide and if it is connected at boot it hangs. i suspect my motherboard. it seems to have some issues |
| 16:22.29 | Torne | khubd is the kernel thread that makes usb work :) |
| 16:22.39 | Torne | anything that touches /proc/bus/usb/devices hangs |
| 16:22.45 | Torne | the machine itself boots fine though |
| 16:22.51 | Torne | you just can't use any USB devices :) |
| 16:22.58 | Torne | if you boot with nothing plugged in, yuo can plug stuff in later and it works |
| 16:23.12 | Lagbolt | you said it works fine after boot? you can plug in usb devices and they work then? |
| 16:23.21 | Lagbolt | any device? or just certain ones? |
| 16:23.21 | Torne | only if you had none at startup |
| 16:23.25 | Torne | seems to be any |
| 16:23.29 | Torne | i have used about six or seven different ones |
| 16:23.36 | Torne | some combinations work |
| 16:23.38 | Torne | but not repeatably |
| 16:23.43 | Lagbolt | what is your m/b? |
| 16:23.54 | Torne | gigabyte ga-ma78g-ds3h, brand new |
| 16:23.59 | Torne | just built this machine yesterday :) |
| 16:24.39 | Lagbolt | Torne, mines an abit. what is your chipset? |
| 16:24.40 | Torne | it doesn't seem to be deterministic, except in that i've yet to have it go wrong if there are *no* devices plugged in at startup |
| 16:24.44 | Torne | amd 780 |
| 16:25.18 | Lagbolt | mine too |
| 16:25.21 | Torne | i just can't think of much to do to work out whether it's an issue with something in the kernel, or with the hardware. |
| 16:25.26 | Lagbolt | abit board tho |
| 16:25.36 | Torne | you'd think a USB EHCI controller would be trivial enough to get right but maybe it's busted |
| 16:25.46 | Lagbolt | it is possible. what kernel you running? |
| 16:25.55 | Torne | er, whatever the default in lenny right now is |
| 16:25.59 | Lagbolt | might check kernel.org or #kernel and see if there is any info |
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| 16:26.28 | Torne | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 16:26.42 | Torne | so pretty recent |
| 16:26.59 | Torne | but not the latest that there is. |
| 16:27.10 | Lagbolt | well i think you might ask around in #kernel and see if they know anything about that chipset and a problem with usb |
| 16:27.13 | Torne | hm |
| 16:27.17 | Lagbolt | maybe #hardware |
| 16:27.21 | Torne | thanks |
| 16:27.27 | Lagbolt | let me know if you find anything |
| 16:27.29 | Torne | the other thing to try i guess is installing windows ;) |
| 16:27.33 | Lagbolt | i am going to look about as well |
| 16:27.42 | Lagbolt | Torne, dont do that :-p |
| 16:27.53 | Torne | i mean, to see if usb works there |
| 16:27.57 | Torne | not to use instead. |
| 16:28.00 | Torne | :) |
| 16:28.06 | Lagbolt | i know |
| 16:28.10 | Torne | if it doesn't work in windows either then it's time to RMA the board :) |
| 16:28.26 | Lagbolt | i may install the 27 sometime when ihave more time to see. going to browse changelogs |
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| 16:29.38 | Samuel-NotAFK | Does any-one know of an IRC client that automatically updates the Peerguardian IP list into the IP blocklist? |
| 16:30.59 | twobitsprite | Samuel-NotAFK: you could probably script it into any of them |
| 16:31.01 | jair | Lagbolt: after about 10 minutes without using the machine the monitor goes off :( and I want to increase the time, also whether or not I can tell the system when you stop the hard drive or go to hibernation. |
| 16:31.30 | jair | themill: Thank you buddy I am asking the channel, it looks like Lagbolt have some knowledge about it |
| 16:31.59 | enouf | Torne: that's not a bad plan .. but a better one is older LiveCDs, diff kernel versions, etc |
| 16:32.04 | Lagbolt | jair, are you running xscreensaver? does the screen blank or does the monitor go into sleep mode after 10 mins? |
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| 16:32.37 | Torne | enouf: actually, it did the same on some random gentoo livecd i had laying around, not sure what kernel version it was |
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| 16:33.33 | jair | Lagbolt: I am not using xscreensaver. and yes the monitor go into sleep after 10 minutes |
| 16:33.54 | themill | !blanking |
| 16:33.55 | dpkg | it has been said that screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If 'console-tools' is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made via /etc/console-tools/config. |
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| 16:35.20 | enouf | Torne: go over your BIOS settings with a fine toothed comb ;-) try Enabling/Disabling Legacy USB support, etc - .. i'm trying to remember a particular kernel bug that you describe .. but .. well, if it comes to me, i'll let you know |
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| 16:35.49 | mhymn_ | jair: xset s off ? |
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| 16:35.54 | jair | themill: I will check that |
| 16:35.56 | Torne | enouf: yeah, i've fiddled with those.. it leads me to kinda suspect that it *is* the hardware, tbh :) |
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| 16:36.15 | jair | mhymn_: how can I know that? I am using blackbox as my window manager |
| 16:36.18 | Torne | enouf: turning on usb keyboard support with my case's frontpanel HID thing plugged in causes my ps/2 keyboard to malfunction in the bios, for example :)) |
| 16:36.26 | Torne | enouf: and i can't get it to boot from usb whatever i do |
| 16:36.29 | enouf | Torne: with Debian, and it's initrd, dmesg, lsmod, lspci -nn etc and /var/log/boot (/msg dpkg bootlogd) will be useful hopefully |
| 16:36.51 | mhymn_ | jair: it's X command, should work there too |
| 16:36.53 | Torne | enouf: not really, sadly. the kernel prints all the usual stuff for initialising the root controllers/hubs, then nothing further related to USB |
| 16:37.00 | enouf | Torne: i see - hrm, i'm using USB->ps/2 Adapters for my mouse and keys ;-) |
| 16:37.09 | jair | mhymn_: let me check |
| 16:37.12 | enouf | but i'm on old harwdware |
| 16:37.24 | Torne | enouf: yah, i mean my actual ps/2 keyboard plugged in via ps/2 malfunctions, if usb keyboard support is on and there's a usb HID device attached :) |
| 16:37.29 | Torne | enouf: which Really Shouldn't Happen :) |
| 16:37.31 | enouf | Yes, i do have usb 1.1 support onboard O_o |
| 16:37.41 | enouf | but i loathe usb |
| 16:37.43 | Torne | the hid device is some weird nonstandard thing |
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| 16:37.58 | Torne | since it's the volume knob, remote, frontpanel buttons, etc for my HTPC case |
| 16:37.59 | enouf | ouch |
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| 16:38.11 | enouf | ugh ... not one of those ... :-p |
| 16:38.32 | jair | mhymn_: I get " unable to open display" |
| 16:38.33 | Torne | but yeah, i can't think of any reason other than the bios being crap for that to affect whether a ps/2 keyboard works |
| 16:38.42 | Octalbunny | Tome: is there an option like "legacy USB" in your computer's BIOS? |
| 16:38.44 | Torne | it randomly moves the cursor in different directions to the arrows you press :) |
| 16:38.48 | jair | mhymn_: but there is a command, and I was checking the man pages |
| 16:38.53 | Torne | or presses enter when yuo meant escape, or similar :) |
| 16:39.30 | Agiofws | hey |
| 16:39.31 | enouf | Torne: but also look in dmesg for seemingly unrelated messages, like a missing /dev/rtc or something |
| 16:39.47 | Torne | enouf: there's nothing much interesting, sadly |
| 16:39.49 | Agiofws | can someone help me with this dependancy error ? |
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| 16:40.04 | enouf | Torne: cat /proc/interrupts once booted, etc ... well - ok - mere speculation then |
| 16:40.09 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/32239 |
| 16:40.26 | enouf | Agiofws: a photo? on Turkey Day? ;-) |
| 16:40.28 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/32240 |
| 16:40.33 | Torne | enouf: yah. if i google for lsusb hanging there are various posts saying people have had that happen, on assorted hardware, for some years |
| 16:40.36 | enouf | Two turkeys! |
| 16:40.39 | enouf | :-) |
| 16:40.41 | Torne | enouf: but nothing particularly recent, or for this particular chipset |
| 16:40.56 | Torne | i presume it's just a general symptom of "usb stack has gone wrong in the kernel" |
| 16:40.58 | enouf | hrm |
| 16:41.03 | Torne | and could be caused by a bazillion things |
| 16:41.05 | Torne | including broken hardware |
| 16:41.06 | Agiofws | turkey day is that not on new years eve ? |
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| 16:41.41 | Agiofws | /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/istanbul/main/tray_icon.py:26: DeprecationWarning: the module egg.trayicon is deprecated; equivalent functionality can now be found in pygtk 2.10 |
| 16:42.06 | enouf | Agiofws: that's just a warning |
| 16:42.07 | Agiofws | python-gtk2 is already the newest version. |
| 16:42.21 | Agiofws | enouf, no gui is displaying |
| 16:42.49 | enouf | judd: versions python-gtk2 |
| 16:42.50 | judd | enouf: python-gtk2 -- etch: 2.8.6-8 lenny: 2.12.1-6 sid: 2.12.1-6 |
| 16:42.57 | Agiofws | python-gtk2-dev - GTK+ bindings: devel files |
| 16:43.06 | enouf | judd: versions python-gtk2-dev |
| 16:43.07 | judd | enouf: python-gtk2-dev -- etch: 2.8.6-8 lenny: 2.12.1-6 sid: 2.12.1-6 |
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| 16:43.24 | Agiofws | ? |
| 16:43.31 | enouf | Agiofws: checked backports.org? i presume you're on Etch? |
| 16:43.41 | stew | if it were on backports, judd would mention it |
| 16:43.41 | Agiofws | lenny |
| 16:43.54 | Cromag | hah i read that as 'i presume you're on Earth' |
| 16:43.56 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.02 | Agiofws | crap |
| 16:44.08 | enouf | stew: oh duh ... thanks |
| 16:44.14 | Agiofws | apt-get install python-gtk2-dev ^^ ? |
| 16:44.24 | enouf | Agiofws: update prior |
| 16:44.32 | Agiofws | just did that |
| 16:44.43 | enouf | :-P |
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| 16:45.21 | themill | Agiofws: the only GUI for istanbul is a system tray icon |
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| 16:45.38 | Agiofws | themill, i just saw it |
| 16:46.06 | Agiofws | i'm trying to capture from GErth |
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| 16:50.15 | yggwork | hello can somone tell me how to change my .Xauthority so that i can start x11vnc from a remote ssh shell ? |
| 16:50.39 | gentlyninja | i cannot hear any sound on from line-in, i have the device SIS-SI7012 (snd-intel8x0 according alsaconf). what shall i do? |
| 16:50.40 | themill | yggwork: you shouldn't need to do so |
| 16:50.49 | yggwork | hmm |
| 16:51.08 | yggwork | well i cant start x11vnc it gives me soem junk about that and i know ive done it in the past. |
| 16:51.25 | themill | "some junk" isn't the most useful of error messages... |
| 16:51.31 | yggwork | DISPLAY=:0 xclock |
| 16:51.31 | yggwork | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyError: Can't open display: :0 |
| 16:51.46 | RichiH | ~/.Xauthority |
| 16:51.46 | themill | that's not from x11vnc though. |
| 16:51.54 | yggwork | its an example |
| 16:52.07 | yggwork | the other message is quite large, same problem |
| 16:52.07 | themill | yggwork: well is x11vnc working or not? |
| 16:52.16 | yggwork | i said its not |
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| 16:52.32 | themill | yggwork: so what is xclock going to do if x11vnc isn't working? |
| 16:52.50 | yggwork | start a program on the display thru a remote ssh session. |
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| 16:53.15 | themill | yggwork: check the permissions on your ~/.Xauthority file if you've been doing strange things with sudo, then it can become owned by root. |
| 16:53.24 | jair | yggwork: what are you trying to accomplish I may be able to help you :) |
| 16:53.37 | yggwork | just trying to start x11vnc from a remote ssh session. |
| 16:54.11 | jair | yggwork: debian? |
| 16:54.17 | yggwork | yes |
| 16:54.38 | enouf | install xauth ? |
| 16:54.41 | yggwork | ls -l /home/yggdrasil/.Xauthority-rwxrwxrwx 1 yggdrasil yggdrasil 166 2007-05-17 09:32 /home/yggdrasil/.Xauthority |
| 16:54.45 | jair | yggwork: x11vnc -rfbauth [path-to-the-password] -rfbport 5900 -forever -shared -bg -o /var/gdm/:0.Xauth |
| 16:54.46 | enouf | etch? or lenny yggwork ? |
| 16:54.48 | jair | :) |
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| 16:54.59 | yggwork | etch. |
| 16:55.08 | yggwork | ragnaroek fancy meetting you here |
| 16:55.45 | yggwork | enouf ill try that. |
| 16:55.54 | yggwork | ill let you guys know how i come out , thanks |
| 16:55.58 | jair | yggwork: follow this 1) ssh to the remote debian machine, 2) apt-get install x11vnc, 3) x11vnc --storepasswd /my-pass |
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| 16:56.14 | enouf | judd: versions xauth |
| 16:56.15 | judd | enouf: xauth -- lenny: 1:1.0.3-2 sid: 1:1.0.3-2 |
| 16:56.26 | enouf | it's in a different pkg in Etch |
| 16:56.49 | aronofsky | hi , can anyone tell me how to change the frontend of apt to readline on command option, something like apt-get -o frontend=readline update I guess ? |
| 16:56.59 | enouf | yggwork: others here know much more about x11vnc than i do though |
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| 16:57.04 | enouf | so follow their advice |
| 16:57.21 | valdyn | aronofsky: why would apt-get have that option? |
| 16:57.28 | SNow | hey guys, I have qlogic qmh 2462 that operates my 4 fiber channels |
| 16:57.38 | petemc | aronofsky: you mean debconf? dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 16:57.38 | SNow | in qlogic hp sites, i can't find driver for debian |
| 16:57.40 | jair | yggwork: I am telling you for last time, I can make you get up and running on x11vnc but you must pay attention. |
| 16:57.42 | SNow | what could u suggest?? |
| 16:57.51 | yggwork | im working on it |
| 16:57.52 | enouf | aronofsky: the configurable options are listed in one of the /usr/share/doc/apt/ docs |
| 16:57.57 | enouf | IIRC |
| 16:57.58 | yggwork | following your advice give me a bit here |
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| 16:58.23 | aronofsky | Yeah i mean debconf, but cant you specify that one apt option directly from command line ? |
| 16:58.27 | enouf | ahh.. seems he means debconf?, yep |
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| 16:58.51 | jair | yggwork: let me ask you again, what are you trying to accomplish? make x11vnc run once, run everytime even when the machine is restarted? or just need to export X? |
| 16:58.59 | SNow | anyone? |
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| 16:59.03 | yggwork | jair can i pm you ? |
| 16:59.35 | jair | yggwork: nope, here in the channel others can benefit from it |
| 16:59.57 | yggwork | ok then let me fix up this irc client, other more complicated problems going on. |
| 16:59.58 | yggwork | brb |
| 16:59.59 | jair | yggwork: I prefer to keep it here in the channel, that way others can see |
| 17:00.02 | enouf | yggwork: use a pastebin to post logs/info/errors |
| 17:00.08 | yggwork | yes, im in clie |
| 17:00.16 | yggwork | ill brb let me fix some stuff up. |
| 17:00.19 | enouf | !tell yggwork -about pastebin pipe |
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| 17:00.29 | enouf | !tell yggwork -about pastewithoutx |
| 17:01.25 | stew | is there someone running the etchnhalf kernel that could tell me the 'version:' reported by '/sbin/modinfo megaraid_sas' ? |
| 17:01.37 | stew | amazingly i've not upgraded any of my servers yet |
| 17:02.57 | themill | stew: http://rafb.net/p/afzbQs96.html |
| 17:03.09 | dacs | how do i avoid doing ifup eth1 everytime i reboot my box? |
| 17:03.21 | enouf | !tell dacs -about z25 |
| 17:03.33 | stew | themill: thanks! |
| 17:03.36 | themill | np |
| 17:03.45 | hoxu | dacs, "auto eth1"? |
| 17:03.56 | enouf | dacs: and /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 17:03.56 | hoxu | dacs, in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:10.53 | Turl | hi |
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| 17:11.10 | Turl | does anyone know what package name does gtkbuilder have? |
| 17:11.31 | hoxu | !tell Turl about search |
| 17:11.43 | hoxu | not in debian? |
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| 17:13.04 | Turl | I'm on a debian derivative really, and apt-cache search gktbuilder really didn't help |
| 17:13.51 | Turl | I'll try with this dpkg bot you have in here |
| 17:14.02 | dante_2core | Turl, widen the search by using more general terms like "gtk builder" |
| 17:14.23 | dante_2core | Turl, might be "glade - GTK+ 2 User Interface Builder |
| 17:14.24 | dante_2core | " |
| 17:14.41 | Turl | not glade, I want gtkbuilder |
| 17:15.16 | themill | Turl: "apt-file search gtkbuilder" returns no useful results; I'm presuming that it's not in debian. |
| 17:15.56 | Turl | it seems I don't have apt-file installed :p |
| 17:16.16 | themill | dpkg: tell Turl about apt-file |
| 17:17.07 | dante_2core | Turl, what are you looking for with gtkbuilder? a command? |
| 17:17.35 | dante_2core | because when I google for it I get this: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkBuilder.html - which is only a part of gtk.h |
| 17:18.21 | Turl | gtkbuilder is a... GTK Builder :p a GUI app for making GUIs |
| 17:18.52 | dacs | etchandhalf |
| 17:18.55 | dante_2core | Turl, well where'd you get it? it's not in debian as far as my search has gone now |
| 17:18.59 | dacs | etch&1/2 |
| 17:19.10 | dacs | which one is right to ask dpkg |
| 17:19.39 | themill | dpkg: tell dacs about etchnhalf |
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| 17:20.36 | Turl | see http://linuxupdate.blogspot.com/2007/07/source-gtkbuilder-has-landed-gtk-has.html |
| 17:20.57 | bobbuttons | i'm trying to install package ntfs-3g and i get that some packages have unmet dependencies |
| 17:21.19 | dante_2core | Turl, Glade currently (3.2.2) does not support gtkbuilder, but the developers are meeting July 9th, 2007 to discuss what their plans are. It may be included in Glade 3.4, but definitely in 3.6. |
| 17:21.29 | dante_2core | this page states that gtkbuilder is in glade |
| 17:21.43 | hoxu | !tell bobbuttons about basic apt-get troubleshooting |
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| 17:24.06 | bobbuttons | isn't there a dpkg option to fix dependencies? |
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| 17:24.49 | hoxu | bobbuttons, read the factoid dpkg told you. We can't help you unless you provide us with the mentioned details. |
| 17:25.29 | bobbuttons | i know.. but my apt stuff is fine |
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| 17:26.15 | Turl | apt-get -f ? |
| 17:26.24 | hoxu | bobbuttons, good, then there's no problem. |
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| 17:26.25 | hoxu | !next |
| 17:26.25 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 17:26.38 | boggy` | apt-get -f or just apt-get instal the dependencies you need.. |
| 17:26.42 | stew | bobbuttons: what version of debian are you running? etch? |
| 17:26.50 | bobbuttons | etch r5 |
| 17:26.54 | joeytwiddle | aptitude is good at fixing dependencies isn't it? |
| 17:26.58 | bobbuttons | yes |
| 17:27.01 | Turl | i think so |
| 17:27.02 | stew | bobbuttons: what command did you use to try to install ntfs-3g? |
| 17:27.19 | bobbuttons | apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 17:27.35 | bobbuttons | it says about libfuse2 |
| 17:27.44 | stew | bobbuttons: its not in etch, but in etch-backports, did you add a backports.org source to sources.list? |
| 17:27.48 | bobbuttons | "E: broken packages" |
| 17:27.52 | bobbuttons | yep |
| 17:28.07 | stew | bobbuttons: etch-backports is not an automatic repository, see the instructions page on backports.org for how to install packages from it |
| 17:28.14 | bobbuttons | i've done this a few weeks ago in other pc |
| 17:28.29 | bobbuttons | it's just one command that solves the dependencies |
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| 17:29.36 | Turl | apt-get -f install |
| 17:29.38 | stew | bobbuttons: "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install" but you either need to specify the repoository or pin the package, see the instructions page at backports.org |
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| 17:31.42 | bobbuttons | it worked now with aptitude install ntfs-3g |
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| 17:32.32 | bobbuttons | thanks! |
| 17:32.45 | bobbuttons | what's the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install packages? |
| 17:32.52 | hoxu | !why aptitude |
| 17:32.52 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 17:33.06 | Turl | aptitude can reverse dependencies :p |
| 17:33.40 | bobbuttons | hm.. and then why is apt-get the most used? |
| 17:33.45 | bobbuttons | man aptitude |
| 17:33.47 | Turl | safe-upgrade's his system |
| 17:33.48 | bobbuttons | oops |
| 17:34.00 | Turl | apt-get is the most used cause it's the most known |
| 17:34.07 | Turl | not many ppl know aptitude |
| 17:34.09 | endra | aptitude brings all the nerds to the yard |
| 17:34.39 | Turl | also, if you run "aptitude" you get kind of a GUI (I must confess I could never use it) |
| 17:34.50 | quique- | aptitude is very used too.... ;) an is nicer |
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| 17:35.53 | bobbuttons | yes.. i've seen the gui |
| 17:36.02 | bobbuttons | i don't know how to use it |
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| 17:36.09 | bobbuttons | too intricate.. =P |
| 17:36.16 | hoxu | time to learn, it's very powerful |
| 17:36.19 | themill | You don't need to use it, however. |
| 17:36.28 | hoxu | pokes themill in the ribs |
| 17:36.31 | themill | ouch! |
| 17:36.50 | bobbuttons | it's a cli actually, isn't it? |
| 17:36.52 | bobbuttons | =P |
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| 17:36.57 | bobbuttons | noooo... tui |
| 17:37.02 | themill | !tui |
| 17:37.02 | dpkg | tui is, like, text user interface |
| 17:37.58 | bobbuttons | i'm still learning the most essential stuff |
| 17:38.03 | bobbuttons | like vi |
| 17:38.09 | bobbuttons | and emacs =P |
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| 17:38.43 | Turl | vi and emacs aren't essencial :P |
| 17:38.46 | Turl | nano is ;) |
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| 17:39.06 | bobbuttons | emacs really isn't |
| 17:39.16 | bobbuttons | but i like vi.. |
| 17:39.26 | maligor | waits the emacs AND vi people to attack Turl :P |
| 17:39.50 | maligor | vi is pretty dreadful as it is, vim is nice |
| 17:39.54 | Turl | kicks all the people who think vi OR emacs are good editors |
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| 17:40.06 | bobbuttons | nano doesn't have all the shortcuts and operators and stuff |
| 17:40.19 | bobbuttons | it's like using notepad without the mouse |
| 17:40.36 | hoxu | Turl, powerful tools in hands of lusers end in turmoil. |
| 17:41.02 | themill | dpkg, start an editor war |
| 17:41.03 | dpkg | "cat >" sucks |
| 17:41.34 | bobbuttons | lol |
| 17:41.47 | bobbuttons | i must admit i don't like the idea of having to press esc all the time |
| 17:42.02 | bobbuttons | maybe in those old keyboards... but now they're all the way up there =\ |
| 17:42.17 | hoxu | you can use ctrl-c as substitute most of the time |
| 17:42.27 | isBEKaml | bobbuttons: pressing esc all the time? you aren't entering anything with keyboard, are you? :P |
| 17:42.32 | hoxu | or you can make that useless caps lock become a second escape |
| 17:42.34 | Turl | nano sth, edit, ctrl+o and ready |
| 17:43.41 | bobbuttons | lol.. i didn't know about the ctrl+c |
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| 17:44.36 | hoxu | also, vim questions -> #vim, emacs issues -> #broken-pinky |
| 17:44.38 | bobbuttons | Turl: are you one of those people who make aliases to make cp and mv interactive? |
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| 17:45.20 | Turl | bobbuttons, LOL :p |
| 17:45.51 | Turl | I just cp, mv, ln, ls, find, rm :p |
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| 17:46.32 | bobbuttons | lol |
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| 17:46.58 | bobbuttons | and i don't use sudo 'cause i can't edit the sudoers file. what a joke =P |
| 17:47.20 | Turl | bobbuttons, boot as single-user and edit :p |
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| 17:47.57 | SparFux | Hi all! When I move over to a new harddisk doing a fresh install due to filesystem corruption, what is the way to move over my configuration of the old system? |
| 17:48.20 | bobbuttons | well.. i know yo uhave to use visudo.. but i don't know what to type.. and i'm too lazy to read those "extended backus-naur form" instructions |
| 17:48.35 | hoxu | SparFux, do you want to install all the same packages? Or just copy over old config files? |
| 17:48.54 | valdyn | SparFux: configuration is in /etc and at $HOME/.* |
| 17:49.09 | SparFux | hoxu: I want to install the same package,s but the package database seems to be corrupted. So I will have to select again. And I want to keep my /etc which I have a backup of. |
| 17:49.35 | _Sam-- | hi -- i cant seem to remember, or find by searching, a tool or method i used on our debian server to make all files / directories that a particular user created be owned and umasked a certain way. what controls that? |
| 17:49.43 | hoxu | !tell SparFux about aptitude clone |
| 17:49.45 | valdyn | SparFux: we cant know which files in etc you modified and which you did not, but if you preserve timestamps you can copy complete /etc without to many ugly side effects ( like cp -a ) |
| 17:50.12 | SparFux | valdyn: Are you sure? I am afraid of side effect. |
| 17:50.22 | hoxu | SparFux, if you can't list the installed packages, then you indeed need to install them manually... as for /etc, if the debian versions is the same, I think you could just copy your /etc over (take backup of the new one before testing that) |
| 17:50.40 | valdyn | SparFux: the side effect is that installing packages will not overwrite config but create file.conf.dpkg-dist |
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| 17:50.48 | valdyn | SparFux: that is not a big deal, just need to know it |
| 17:51.01 | valdyn | SparFux: but that only for files that changed. |
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| 17:51.22 | valdyn | SparFux: and i guess packages that are not yet installed when you copy the config over |
| 17:51.46 | SparFux | So I first copy /etc over and THEN I install the whole system? Like with debootstrap? |
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| 17:51.59 | valdyn | SparFux: no, vice versa |
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| 17:52.22 | SparFux | Hm... perhaps it would be best if I reconfigured everything manually again. Dammit. |
| 17:52.32 | SparFux | Otherwise this is going to be a mess! |
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| 17:52.46 | valdyn | SparFux: well, you can copy files as you see config issues too |
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| 17:53.20 | SparFux | Yes, like this. I install a bare debootstrap system and then configure it with my old configuration as a reference. |
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| 17:54.15 | SparFux | And I am questioning myself what would be a good strategy to avoid this mess in the future. |
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| 17:55.12 | SparFux | Like I can have directories for any software product I would configure and then I can copy it over in the future. Like Root/exim/etc/ blah and Root/cups/etc blah and so on. |
| 17:55.17 | sladi | can't you just copy everything to the new hdd? |
| 17:55.34 | SparFux | sladi: I remember I tried and I got a lot of errors. |
| 17:55.59 | sladi | SparFux: OK |
| 17:56.06 | jelly-home | SparFux: a simple idea can be to configure a reasonable system once, then image it. a .tar.gz on a bootable rescue cd, make sure the rescue has fdisk, mke2fs and chroot |
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| 17:56.57 | SparFux | sladi: I think it is dangerous, user names are the same, but the UIDs might have changed. I have many stale config files in /etc/ and I really had problems when I once tried to move over with my old /etc config. I have the question what would be a good way to configure all my system so that in the future there aren't these problems anymore. |
| 17:58.05 | jelly-home | SparFux: install base _only_; restore original /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow}, _then_ continue with installing other apps |
| 17:58.18 | sladi | SparFux: I changed just the hdd with Lenny and was lucky I guess. :) |
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| 17:58.55 | SparFux | The best way would be to restore the current disk. But my whole /var/lib/dpkg is gone! |
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| 17:59.03 | SparFux | Ithink it is in /lost+found. |
| 18:01.25 | SparFux | Yes, it's in lost+found. |
| 18:01.31 | SparFux | Due to an Xorg crash. |
| 18:01.58 | SparFux | How can it be the whole /var/lib/dpkg tree is corrupted even though I wasn't installing or removing anything... |
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| 18:03.11 | jelly-home | SparFux: what about /var/backups? |
| 18:03.30 | SparFux | it's empty. |
| 18:04.06 | jelly-home | SparFux: which filesystem did you use? |
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| 18:04.13 | SparFux | ext3 |
| 18:04.13 | rsmith16384 | hi |
| 18:04.29 | rsmith16384 | can i get someone to test my port forwarding and pasv settings? |
| 18:04.41 | jelly-home | SparFux: you might have answered some questions wrong when fsck asked you stuff |
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| 18:05.22 | jelly-home | SparFux: having no backups of /var/lib/dpkg/status is going to be painful to recover from |
| 18:05.49 | rsmith16384 | o well |
| 18:05.50 | rsmith16384 | thanks |
| 18:05.52 | SparFux | damn, my mail directory is even gone! |
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| 18:06.26 | SparFux | jelly-home: I just always said yes. I don't know what to tell fsck to do. |
| 18:06.37 | Neaai | Under gnome terminal what keystroke breaks you out of a cisco traceroute ? cisco is accessed via telnet from the terminal session. |
| 18:07.25 | jelly-home | SparFux: yeah, always answering yes isn't such a great idea when you have real corruption |
| 18:07.27 | dtcrshr | [Neaai]: try ctrl c or K |
| 18:08.25 | jelly-home | SparFux: basically if fsck starts asking unusual stuff, at that point you go mailing the ext3-users list and not touch anything |
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| 18:08.46 | Neaai | dtcrshr: no avail. |
| 18:08.46 | SparFux | Thank God my Email is there! |
| 18:08.50 | SparFux | In /lost+found. |
| 18:09.45 | SparFux | jelly: Yes, I'll keep that in mind. it was a big mistake to try to reproduce my Xorg crashes on this machine. |
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| 18:09.59 | SparFux | But anyway, I will have to recover may mail and stuff and that's it. |
| 18:11.25 | Neaai | dtcrshr: <shift>+<ctrl>+<6> did it. |
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| 18:13.01 | jelly-home | SparFux: as for avoiding the mess, a) run backups, b) verify validity of said backups (test restores every now and then), c) making /var a separate partition might help |
| 18:13.03 | dtcrshr | [Neaai]: what terminal ur using? telnet on the terminal? |
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| 18:14.39 | Turl | btw, how can I see lost+found contents? It always gives me permission errors, even with sudo |
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| 18:15.55 | Neaai | dtcrshr: I lauch the gnome terminal locally and issue telnet at the prompt towards the cisco's ip |
| 18:16.06 | jelly-home | wonders whether Turl and SparFux really have the same REALNAME or is it his irc client that is misbehaving |
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| 18:16.41 | Turl | jelly-home, SparFux isn't connecting from my internet :p |
| 18:16.52 | jelly-home | you're both purple |
| 18:16.56 | Turl | I think your client is buggy |
| 18:16.57 | SparFux | Turl: you have to go in there as root. |
| 18:17.12 | Turl | yep, I'm using Pidgin (libpurple) |
| 18:17.23 | jelly-home | guess that's a default, then |
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| 18:23.05 | SparFux | Interesting, the crash wrecked files of which I wouldn't have thought they were used at all. |
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| 18:24.13 | SparFux | jelly: if fsck does everything without user intervention, is there a big chance of data corruption? |
| 18:24.45 | jelly-home | without user intervention usually means everything went fine and there was no need for the user to intervene |
| 18:24.47 | valdyn | SparFux: question is if you would recover anything at all without fsck |
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| 18:25.20 | SparFux | valdyn: I think fsck didn't destroy anything. It just moved the files to /lost+found. |
| 18:25.39 | jelly-home | SparFux: yeah, but you did lose some of the directory tree |
| 18:25.55 | jelly-home | SparFux: and file names |
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| 18:26.14 | SparFux | jelly: Yes, I think it is somewhere in lost+found and fsck asked because it would connect lose files and dirs there and thus dismissing directory name information. |
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| 18:26.24 | SparFux | jelly: yes, the filenames are gone. |
| 18:26.29 | valdyn | SparFux: thats not useful for you in most cases |
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| 18:26.42 | jelly-home | SparFux: yep. You just need to figure out what's what :-) |
| 18:26.48 | valdyn | SparFux: say part of a movie being in a gazillion files in lost+found, doubt you'd recover that |
| 18:27.08 | SparFux | Yes, and I indeed just need to sort out important data which seems to be easey. The .mail group files were the mailboxes :-) |
| 18:27.34 | Turl | it's strange to see a FS crashing so badly :p it never happened to me, nor to any person I know |
| 18:27.46 | SparFux | valdyn: fortunately all that's on that disk is only SOME important data. Mostly it is system, debian unstable. |
| 18:27.58 | SparFux | Everything else is in /home which is a different harddrive. |
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| 18:29.40 | SparFux | It's all my fault, why not just use the damn VESA videodriver and experiment with Xorg server on a production system! |
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| 18:30.24 | Turl | that shouldn't corrupt the FS though |
| 18:30.25 | jelly-home | SparFux: xorg isn't supposed to trash your fs like that! |
| 18:30.54 | SparFux | jelly: It isn't ,but I knew it would crash. It crashes frequently. The ATI radeon driver with my X800 at least. |
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| 18:33.07 | rhineheart_m | any web browser for console? |
| 18:33.22 | SparFux | lynx |
| 18:33.40 | jelly-home | or links or elinks or w3m |
| 18:33.43 | enouf | rhineheart_m: links2, elinks, lynx, w3m, etc |
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| 18:35.17 | rhineheart_m | apt-get install w3m? |
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| 18:35.38 | enouf | simple, isn't it? ;-) |
| 18:35.48 | Turl | SparFux, even if it crashes, you don't need to hard-reboot ;) |
| 18:35.51 | jelly-home | elinks is simpler! maybe. |
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| 18:36.00 | enouf | !links2 |
| 18:36.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 18:36.12 | Turl | just issue the kernel the "REISUB" thing |
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| 18:36.24 | Tylrdrdn | all - having problems with a for loop. this works on another system I have... for i in `/root/list-of-folders-in-current-dir.txt` ; do cp -avu $i "/mnt/external/081125BACKUP/" ; done. I get error messages "/root/list-of-folders-in-current-dir.txt: line 1: ./folder1: is a directory" |
| 18:36.32 | enouf | bash is my browser! |
| 18:36.36 | themill | enouf: see, I told you that you were a bot that said "links2" or "links2 -g" whenever someone mentioned browsers. |
| 18:36.44 | themill | hides under his desk |
| 18:36.51 | enouf | and nc my web download manager! :-p |
| 18:36.54 | jelly-home | themill: is /root/list-of-folders-in-current-dir.txt a script? |
| 18:37.00 | jelly-home | err |
| 18:37.05 | jelly-home | Tylrdrdn: is /root/list-of-folders-in-current-dir.txt a script? |
| 18:37.24 | Tylrdrdn | it's a file that looks like: |
| 18:37.29 | SparFux | turl: yes, i needed to hard reboot. |
| 18:37.30 | Tylrdrdn | ./directory1 |
| 18:37.31 | enouf | sicks a big turkey on themill - under the desk |
| 18:37.31 | Tylrdrdn | ./directory2 |
| 18:37.33 | Tylrdrdn | etc. |
| 18:37.44 | jelly-home | Tylrdrdn: you are trying to execute that file. it won't work well. |
| 18:38.00 | Turl | SparFux -> Alt + "Impr Pant/Pet Sys" + REISUB |
| 18:38.01 | Tylrdrdn | OH |
| 18:38.08 | Tylrdrdn | forgot to cat file |
| 18:38.09 | themill | !turkeybaste enouf |
| 18:38.09 | dpkg | rubs goooey stuff all over enouf and sticks enouf in the oven for a while. |
| 18:38.10 | Tylrdrdn | grrrr |
| 18:38.17 | rhineheart_m | how to use links2? |
| 18:38.19 | enouf | heh .. |
| 18:38.28 | Tylrdrdn | jelly-home: thank you. I am gonna go stab myself now |
| 18:38.33 | enouf | haha! ... basterd! |
| 18:38.34 | jelly-home | Tylrdrdn: I hope none of your folder names have spaces in them! |
| 18:38.37 | themill | Tylrdrdn: be careful that you don't have spaces in the filenames in your .txt file. |
| 18:38.43 | enouf | er s/erd/ard* |
| 18:38.58 | Tylrdrdn | jelly-home: they don't but any suggestions for how to deal with them if they did? |
| 18:39.10 | Turl | I think there's a command that'll strip spaces themill. cut I think it is |
| 18:39.16 | SparFux | turl: what's that? Magic sysreq? |
| 18:39.23 | jelly-home | rhineheart_m: g to enter an url; cursors to move on the page; enter to click on a link |
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| 18:39.45 | themill | Turl: that doesn't help... you need to stop the shell breaking the filename that has spaces into multiple bits. |
| 18:39.51 | klync | $IFS |
| 18:40.06 | themill | klync: indeed. *shudder* |
| 18:40.24 | themill | klync: of course \n is also valid in a filename. |
| 18:40.24 | SparFux | turl: I did magic sysrq, but it was phracked, too. No response anymore. |
| 18:40.39 | klync | :P |
| 18:40.45 | jelly-home | rhineheart_m: f10 for a menu. if you have a mouse (and gpm is running), you can also click on the top row to get the menu |
| 18:40.47 | klync | abs-guide |
| 18:40.48 | Turl | :S do you have it enabled SparFux? |
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| 18:41.08 | jelly-home | Tylrdrdn: /msg dpkg bash guide |
| 18:41.20 | rhineheart_m | jelly-home, using putty..how to use links2? |
| 18:41.20 | jelly-home | sorry |
| 18:41.31 | jelly-home | rhineheart_m: just told you, didn't I? |
| 18:41.45 | Turl | good link, for everybody: http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/7-deadly-linux-commands.html |
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| 18:43.10 | KenLaptop | Hey all - I apt-get install bacula and it says the version is 1.38.11 - but when I search online it shows that there's a 2.4.3 or something along those lines available....any reason why etch would have bacula from 2006? |
| 18:43.38 | jelly-home | Tylrdrdn: make that http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide |
| 18:43.47 | enouf | !links2 settings > rhineheart_m |
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| 18:44.02 | jelly-home | enouf: what? |
| 18:44.02 | enouf | rhineheart_m: /msg dpkg links2 settings |
| 18:44.09 | Tylrdrdn | lol thx |
| 18:44.22 | enouf | jelly-home: right .. |
| 18:44.27 | rhineheart_m | got it. lol |
| 18:44.34 | rhineheart_m | thanks jelly-home |
| 18:44.39 | hoxu | KenLaptop, etch was released on 2007-04-08, I don't remember when it was frozen, but it's pretty normal. Use backports if you need a newer version |
| 18:44.52 | jelly-home | Tylrdrdn: it'll likely contain something like "don't do for i in `cat blah`" ;-) |
| 18:44.59 | hoxu | !info bacula etch-backports |
| 18:45.06 | KenLaptop | What's the latest version of stable debian? |
| 18:45.13 | hoxu | KenLaptop, etch |
| 18:45.19 | enouf | jelly-home: you don't need gpm for links2 in Console |
| 18:45.23 | hoxu | !tell KenLaptop about bpo |
| 18:45.34 | KenLaptop | hoxu: Then that's what confuses me the most. even sid has a newer version than etch |
| 18:45.44 | hoxu | KenLaptop, sid is unstable |
| 18:45.48 | jelly-home | enouf: right! |
| 18:45.57 | Tylrdrdn | sed -e 's/\ /\\ /g' list-of-files-with-spaces-in-it-for-for-loop > list-of-files-with-escaped-spaces-in-it-for-for-loop ??? |
| 18:46.04 | jelly-home | enouf: whoever said that was wrong |
| 18:46.22 | KenLaptop | hoxu: How about lenny? |
| 18:46.28 | enouf | !semanticsmite jelly-home |
| 18:46.29 | hoxu | KenLaptop, sid has all the unreleasable, bleeding edge, broken, baby-eating monsters |
| 18:46.49 | hoxu | !tell KenLaptop about lenny |
| 18:46.50 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 18:47.29 | KenLaptop | Okay so etch = stable, lenny = testing, sid = unstable |
| 18:47.32 | jelly-home | Tylrdrdn: what I'd do, is cat file | {while read line; do echo "something with =${line}="; done } |
| 18:47.32 | Tylrdrdn | jelly-home: ya I forgot the cat... that was a stoopid mistake/oversight. it's working now - thx. that sed cmd would probably deal with a spaces issue, right? |
| 18:47.37 | SparFux | Turl: Of course I have Magic Sysrq enabled :-) |
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| 18:48.14 | Tylrdrdn | jelly-home: WAY beyond my abilities... |
| 18:48.17 | jelly-home | Tylrdrdn: what about tabs in filenames? :-) |
| 18:48.20 | Tylrdrdn | will mess around with that |
| 18:48.32 | jelly-home | or backticks! |
| 18:48.33 | Tylrdrdn | thx for help |
| 18:48.34 | enouf | rhineheart_m: jelly-home: you know - fwiw, Insert/Delete to scroll up/down by lines, [ and ] to move left/right ;-) |
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| 18:49.02 | jelly-home | just klicks on page borders ;-) |
| 18:49.21 | enouf | rhineheart_m: help > keys (is a nice little useful item) |
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| 18:49.27 | enouf | jelly-home: heh |
| 18:49.33 | hoxu | !tell KenLaptop about sid |
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| 18:50.31 | enouf | jelly-home: i love the '\' to toggle html/text mode, and the man pages style search/find using '/' - too fast for bloat ;-) |
| 18:50.53 | jelly-home | enouf: yeah, \ is one of the bindings kept from lynx |
| 18:50.59 | enouf | plus "all" occurences are instantly highlighted ;-) |
| 18:51.12 | enouf | ahh |
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| 18:51.15 | pipi | hola |
| 18:51.21 | KenLaptop | What's the purpose of sid if it'll never be released |
| 18:51.28 | enouf | ... |
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| 18:51.34 | jelly-home | KenLaptop: to annoy KenLaptop |
| 18:51.38 | SerajewelKS | KenLaptop: so people have a place to upload packages |
| 18:51.47 | asg | KenLaptop: constant testing |
| 18:51.48 | enouf | KenLaptop: babies must be consumated somewhere ;-) |
| 18:51.52 | hoxu | !tell KenLaptop about sid faq |
| 18:51.55 | jelly-home | enouf: TMI |
| 18:52.03 | BleSS | are there alternatives to libnss-mysql to store user accounts in MySQL ? |
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| 18:52.23 | KenLaptop | When I add these backport repos, I get apt yelling at me about a public key not being found |
| 18:52.34 | enouf | sends in a Stork to help sort out all the Turkeys :-P |
| 18:52.53 | hoxu | KenLaptop, read, the, instructions |
| 18:53.01 | enouf | s/,/. |
| 18:53.03 | hoxu | !tell KenLaptop about bpo |
| 18:53.18 | hoxu | KenLaptop, don't make dpkg tell you that third time :) |
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| 18:53.51 | KenLaptop | Are you referring to these instructions: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 18:54.33 | hoxu | yes, it's all there, or in the factoid that dpkg just told you |
| 18:54.45 | KenLaptop | Yea yea - I'm an idiot ;-) |
| 18:54.55 | jelly-home | don't be |
| 18:55.09 | pipi | HOLA |
| 18:55.15 | pipi | no me entero de nada |
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| 18:55.25 | hoxu | !debian-es |
| 18:55.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:58.24 | SparFux | When reconfiguring my whole system by hand I would like to keep track of all the modifications I made so if it will be neccessary again it should be easy. |
| 18:59.03 | jelly-home | !info etckeeper |
| 18:59.05 | dpkg | etckeeper: (store /etc in git, mercurial, or bzr), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.21 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 18:59.39 | quique- | hola pipi |
| 18:59.39 | jelly-home | SparFux: would something like that help? |
| 18:59.42 | enouf | interesting .. i just add small comments to each of my config files ;-) |
| 18:59.49 | SparFux | jelly: sounds interesting. |
| 18:59.51 | enouf | some people save an original in /root/ |
| 19:00.01 | SparFux | enouf: yes,that's what I do, too. |
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| 19:00.18 | jelly-home | foo.conf.old |
| 19:00.24 | jelly-home | foo.conf.old,1 |
| 19:00.46 | jelly-home | foo.con... oh hell just use a VCS already! |
| 19:00.59 | enouf | don't get me started on the files named .conf.conf.conf :-P |
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| 19:06.09 | guimnk | hi.. I'm trying to reinstall the mysql database with aptitude because when I try to start the database, its fail.. How can I do to reinstall and create new my.cnf ? |
| 19:06.39 | hoxu | !tell guimnk about confmiss |
| 19:07.07 | hoxu | guimnk, move the config files out of way first; then do as instructed to get fresh ones |
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| 19:07.59 | guimnk | hoxy aptitude reinstall mysql-server-5.0 ? |
| 19:08.01 | ma3x | is there a package for javadoc for netbeans? |
| 19:08.48 | hoxu | guimnk, read the factoid from dpkg |
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| 19:09.25 | guimnk | hoxu aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 19:10.31 | hoxu | guimnk, yes, after you've moved the old config out of way |
| 19:11.05 | guimnk | hoxu the mysql server not starts.. |
| 19:11.59 | hoxu | what error do you get? |
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| 19:13.31 | guimnk | hoxu I dont know where I find the error.. |
| 19:13.39 | guimnk | I get only "failed" |
| 19:13.49 | guimnk | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 19:13.53 | hoxu | guimnk, check /var/log/syslog? |
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| 19:14.45 | guimnk | hoxu, I'm checking |
| 19:14.51 | guimnk | wait please |
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| 19:16.36 | guimnk | Nov 26 17:18:05 brain mysqld[6312]: 081126 17:18:05 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address already in use |
| 19:16.45 | guimnk | Nov 26 17:18:05 brain mysqld[6312]: 081126 17:18:05 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| 19:16.53 | hoxu | yes you do |
| 19:17.07 | guimnk | waht? |
| 19:17.09 | guimnk | what? |
| 19:17.11 | hoxu | guimnk, have you installed another mysql version manually? |
| 19:17.21 | guimnk | no |
| 19:17.28 | hoxu | guimnk, if you haven't, netstat -nlpt |grep -i mysql and kill the process |
| 19:17.34 | jelly-home | guimnk: use ps to list the processes and see if there's something resembling mysqld still alive |
| 19:17.36 | guimnk | I'm using the my.cnf of /usr/share/mysql/examples |
| 19:17.37 | dacs | how do i install etchnhalf |
| 19:17.54 | hoxu | !tell dacs about etchnhalf |
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| 19:18.08 | n-iCe | hello |
| 19:18.15 | n-iCe | !emailserver |
| 19:18.28 | hoxu | guimnk, pkill mysqld |
| 19:18.32 | n-iCe | anybody have installed an email server? |
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| 19:18.40 | dacs | hoxu: well its talking about fresh install with lenny? i am confused |
| 19:18.49 | hoxu | n-iCe, nuh-huh, e-mail is, like, dead |
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| 19:19.03 | guimnk | hoxu |
| 19:19.06 | n-iCe | hoxu: why |
| 19:19.07 | guimnk | dacs |
| 19:19.09 | guimnk | thanks |
| 19:19.12 | guimnk | :) |
| 19:19.24 | dacs | guimnk: ?\ |
| 19:22.00 | dacs | hoxu: any help man |
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| 19:22.27 | frankS2 | lol |
| 19:22.29 | frankS2 | email is not dead |
| 19:22.31 | frankS2 | u maggot |
| 19:23.24 | n-iCe | anyone have install an email serveR? |
| 19:23.35 | dacs | is there is anything wrong with this sudo apt-get install mercurial linux-headers-$KERNEL_VERSION build-essential |
| 19:23.37 | dacs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:24.08 | hoxu | n-iCe, ask a real question |
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| 19:24.15 | n-iCe | anyone have install an email serveR? |
| 19:24.24 | n-iCe | installed |
| 19:24.26 | hoxu | dacs, iirc, just update and install the packages you want, I don't think you need additional sources |
| 19:24.32 | hoxu | n-iCe, ask a real question |
| 19:24.44 | hoxu | !sicco |
| 19:24.45 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 19:25.03 | n-iCe | hoxu: install an email server, what don't you understand :< |
| 19:25.23 | n-iCe | I have done 3 tutorials without damn success I need someone how have done it |
| 19:25.28 | hoxu | n-iCe, you want to install an e-mail server? Use exim |
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| 19:26.04 | n-iCe | hoxu: let me google it, tried postfix, couldn't make it work |
| 19:26.10 | n-iCe | !exim |
| 19:26.10 | dpkg | hmm... exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <exim4gmail> or see http://www.exim.org |
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| 19:26.26 | n-iCe | !exim4gmail |
| 19:26.27 | dpkg | hmm... exim4gmail is follow this step-by-step guide to use gmail for smtp. http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 19:26.28 | hoxu | google? Just aptitude install exim4 |
| 19:26.35 | hoxu | !selftell |
| 19:26.35 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 19:26.49 | n-iCe | hoxu: will that help me to send emails using my machine, etc? |
| 19:27.01 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXN7IQBUMkM |
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| 19:27.16 | hoxu | n-iCe, it does what a mail server is supposed to do. It delivers e-mails when properly configured |
| 19:27.44 | n-iCe | Ok I am installing exim4 |
| 19:27.49 | n-iCe | have you done this bofore? |
| 19:28.17 | hoxu | no, it's my first time - I'm a virgin :) |
| 19:28.21 | hoxu | uh wait... |
| 19:28.23 | n-iCe | ehe |
| 19:28.30 | n-iCe | yes? |
| 19:30.41 | dacs | can someone please hlep , i am trying to install Hauppauge HVR-1600 and i am getting this http://paste.debian.net/22313/ |
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| 19:36.05 | dacs | how can i find my Kernel config file |
| 19:38.33 | hoxu | dacs, try /proc/config-`uname -r` |
| 19:39.17 | dacs | hoxu: /proc/config-2.6.17-2-686: No such file or directory |
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| 19:41.06 | n-iCe | hoxu: |
| 19:41.06 | n-iCe | 2008-11-26 13:41:23 Exim configuration error in line 756 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: option setting expected: {${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}}}{} } |
| 19:41.10 | n-iCe | :< |
| 19:41.13 | n-iCe | Invalid new configfile /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp, not installing |
| 19:41.15 | n-iCe | /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp to /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 19:41.19 | n-iCe | I did this http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
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| 19:42.09 | tuxcrafter | hi everybody |
| 19:42.55 | tuxcrafter | i saw some ubuntu 8.10 machine with openoffice.org installed and they had nice new icos in gnome/tango style, is there some bug report with the reqest to get them in debian sid? |
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| 19:44.02 | pngwn | !tell tuxcrafter -about wishlist |
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| 19:45.49 | dacs | okay, thats it, will someone please guide me where to start reading about understanding kernel and compiling it! |
| 19:46.37 | frank_white | hi, I am trying to configure a second monitor, I have a default debian xorg install with a radeonhd cardrd. Both monitors are still showing the same side of the desktop... I dont get it.... http://pastebin.ca/1267827 |
| 19:46.48 | miksuh | tuxcrafter: #apt-get install openoffice.org-style-tango |
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| 19:48.02 | frank_white | I feel like there is something else I should do. Should I really be able to setup a 2 monitor desktop with just adding 1 line to xorg.conf and running 1 xrandr command? |
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| 19:49.31 | tuxcrafter | miksuh: no no i am not refering to the icons inside the app, but the .desktop icons |
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| 19:50.14 | tuxcrafter | pngwn: just thats whey i ask if somebody new if there was a bug report for the wishlist |
| 19:50.43 | dacs | is there is a problem if i tried to compile and install Linux 2.6.26.8 on my etch |
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| 19:51.24 | miksuh | dacs: 2.6.26 kernel is already available in the backports.org |
| 19:51.30 | miksuh | for the etch |
| 19:52.01 | dacs | miksuh: but i can't get it , i don't know why |
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| 19:52.39 | miksuh | have you added etch backports.org repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:52.53 | miksuh | ? |
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| 19:53.14 | steph78 | hi there, I have an urgent problem with an encrypted raid1... I accidentally stole myself the admin rights (wanted to implement sudo) and now I can't do anything anymore. I tried to run the rescue option of the lenny cd - works fine except that I'm unable to unlock the md2-device with cryptsetup luksOpen --> it always returns: no key available with this passphrase... I'm not even sure if the raid got mounted correctly :( |
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| 19:53.57 | steph78 | mdadm --monitor /dev/md2 just outputs: Degraded Array on /dev/md2 unknown device |
| 19:54.36 | dacs | miksuh: http://paste.debian.net/22315/ <---/etc/apt/sourcse.list |
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| 19:54.53 | Misterjos | !flash |
| 19:54.53 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 19:56.33 | miksuh | dacs: |
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| 19:56.37 | miksuh | !etch-backports |
| 19:56.37 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 19:56.42 | kibibyte | hi |
| 19:56.57 | Misterjos | why the heck is flashplugin-nonfree not a part of debian testing?? |
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| 19:57.05 | kibibyte | why aptitude add Translation-en_US to every repository path when im performing update? |
| 19:57.10 | kibibyte | it doesnt work then |
| 19:57.10 | Maulkin | !non-free |
| 19:57.11 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:57.19 | miksuh | Misterjos: install flash from debian-multimedia.org |
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| 19:57.29 | kibibyte | help |
| 19:57.29 | miksuh | sorry |
| 19:57.31 | Misterjos | how miksuh? |
| 19:57.33 | miksuh | kibibyte: |
| 19:57.40 | kibibyte | ?? |
| 19:57.41 | miksuh | eh |
| 19:57.45 | miksuh | forget that :) |
| 19:58.02 | miksuh | Misterjos: add debian-multimedia.org to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:58.04 | miksuh | and then |
| 19:58.12 | Misterjos | thats done |
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| 19:58.23 | Maulkin | Misterjos: because it's not free. See http://www.debian.org/intro/free for details. |
| 19:58.46 | dacs | miksuh: i do have this line deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 19:58.51 | Maulkin | Misterjos: do you mean why it's not in non-free? |
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| 19:59.04 | Misterjos | i just cant get it installed in iceweasel |
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| 19:59.11 | Misterjos | i installed flashplayer-mozilla |
| 19:59.15 | Selveste1 | What is the kernel version under install of 4.0r5 |
| 19:59.18 | Misterjos | but that swf thing is always doing the job |
| 19:59.19 | miksuh | Misterjos: # apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 19:59.35 | miksuh | Misterjos: restart iceweasel |
| 19:59.39 | boggy` | Selveste1, uname -r |
| 19:59.43 | miksuh | adter you have installed the plugin |
| 19:59.44 | Misterjos | i cant uninstall swf thing because it wants to deinstall gnome also |
| 20:00.37 | Selveste1 | Yes but on my box now I run 2.6.18 but what is the version under install ? |
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| 20:01.00 | miksuh | Misterjos: it does not uninstall gnome desktop, just package gnome which is just helper package which depends on other gnome packages |
| 20:01.10 | Misterjos | oh |
| 20:01.13 | miksuh | you can safely uninstall gnome-package |
| 20:01.15 | Selveste1 | caus I have an adaptec SAS-controller and there is only support after 2.6.22 |
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| 20:01.33 | Misterjos | it was just "gnome" that it wanted to deinstall |
| 20:01.42 | Misterjos | i didn't try that out :p |
| 20:01.52 | \amethyst | Misterjos: if it's just 'gnome' and not the packages that it depends on, that's fine |
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| 20:02.16 | boggy` | Selveste1, so upgrade to 2.2 |
| 20:02.19 | boggy` | *22 |
| 20:03.06 | frank_white | Anyone have any idea what my problem could be? I am trying to get dual monitor setup, but I can only clone the displays for some reason..... http://pastebin.ca/1267827 |
| 20:03.23 | miksuh | yea, gnome depends on swfdec-mozilla, if you uninstall swfdec-mozilla then gnome is unintsalled too, but thatr'äs not a problem |
| 20:03.30 | Selveste1 | boggy - yes but how do i do that inter install ? with apt-get ? |
| 20:03.48 | miksuh | that's |
| 20:04.19 | Selveste1 | *under |
| 20:04.36 | Firefishe | I have a 3 dvd set of etch 4r3. My Asus G50V laptop uses the ath9k wi-fi module. This module is only available through the 2.6.27 kernel as standard. How do I install the 2.6.27 kernel *and* use my dvd's at the same time? |
| 20:04.52 | Firefishe | read: without recompiling |
| 20:04.59 | Misterjos | hey thanks guys, : libflashplayer.so works! |
| 20:05.13 | Misterjos | (and gnome still runs :)) |
| 20:05.19 | Firefishe | always nice when flash works, eh Misterjos? ;) |
| 20:05.29 | Selveste1 | Firefishe - is the system installet ? |
| 20:05.31 | Misterjos | idd, its quite important on news sites |
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| 20:06.05 | Firefishe | Selveste1: Not yet. |
| 20:06.31 | Selveste1 | Firefishe - then just install it, and then update kernel after install ? |
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| 20:08.01 | Firefishe | Selveste1: Well, 'tis a bit more complex. This laptop--asus g50v--has some issues. I need the newer 2.6.27 kernel for a lot of reasons. |
| 20:08.25 | Firefishe | Selveste1: My headphone jack is a combo: headphone and S/PDIF. |
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| 20:09.12 | Firefishe | Selveste1: The current distro I'm *experimenting* with needed an upgrade just to get sound to work. That makes my on-board speakers work, but my headphone jack doesn't work right. It works on the windows side, so I know there's nothing physically wrong with it. |
| 20:09.33 | Firefishe | Selveste1: I want to go back to debian (don't we always ;) ) |
| 20:09.54 | Selveste1 | hmm - then under install jump to terminal (ctrl+alt+F1) and then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.27-bpo.1-686 ? |
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| 20:10.34 | Selveste1 | maybe |
| 20:10.36 | Firefishe | Selveste1: That should do it. I do have a hard wire connection to the router so that shouldn't be a problem. bpo is backports, correct? |
| 20:10.37 | Selveste1 | never tryed |
| 20:11.00 | miksuh | Selveste1: etch has 2.6.18 by default, also 2.6.25 is in repository, but 2.6.18 is the default. I think there is etch'n half installer images which use 2.6.25 kernelby default i think |
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| 20:11.34 | Firefishe | miksuh: yes, but even x.x.25 is a bit old for this laptop. |
| 20:11.36 | miksuh | 2.6.26 for the etch is in backports.org |
| 20:12.01 | Firefishe | .26 might work |
| 20:12.14 | miksuh | !etch-backports |
| 20:12.14 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 20:12.26 | amphi | Firefishe: if it's a newish machine, you might be better off with lenny |
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| 20:13.39 | Firefishe | amphi: My thoughts exactly, but my main issue is that I have a medium-to-slowish speed connection (perhaps 100K tops), so I really need to limit my file sizes. If I install etch r3 from my dvd's I may have a bit easier time of it. |
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| 20:14.14 | amphi | Firefishe: or leave the netinstall going overnight? ;) |
| 20:14.19 | enouf | Firefishe: hrm .. well .24 wasn't incorporated until r4 ... so you might need to d/l anyway |
| 20:14.27 | enouf | or .. try a kmuto image |
| 20:14.58 | enouf | or .. if using windows, heck http://goodbye-windows.com ;-) |
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| 20:16.20 | roderyk | does someone know of an unofficial repo/build of a newer ghc than is currently in Sid? |
| 20:16.40 | enouf | ghc? |
| 20:16.43 | miksuh | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 20:16.45 | miksuh | :) |
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| 20:16.47 | enouf | googenheim? |
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| 20:17.32 | enouf | googenheim canteloupe?? |
| 20:17.35 | kibibyte | anyone tell me why fuking aptituude after i run update it, does not showwing me maven2 package. (i have universe repository in sources list) |
| 20:17.40 | roderyk | enouf: ghc: haskell compiler |
| 20:17.47 | enouf | aha! |
| 20:17.51 | kibibyte | enouf, help |
| 20:17.57 | Firefishe | kibibyte: universe is for ubuntu, not debian |
| 20:17.58 | enouf | ok |
| 20:18.03 | Selveste1 | miksuh - nice site :) |
| 20:18.07 | kibibyte | Firefishe, i know im using ubuntu |
| 20:18.13 | Lagbolt | kibibyte, this is not #ubuntu |
| 20:18.22 | kibibyte | but it seems aptitutude is broken or something |
| 20:18.23 | enouf | waves wand .. and proceeds to do the Turkey Dance |
| 20:18.26 | amphi | kibibyte: no sense asking that in here |
| 20:18.38 | kibibyte | but it work same in debian |
| 20:18.46 | enouf | go away! |
| 20:18.52 | Lagbolt | !ubuntu |
| 20:18.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 20:19.07 | kibibyte | blah bllah |
| 20:19.08 | jelly-uk | kibibyte: nope, you could have repo or package problems that definitely wouldn't be the same |
| 20:19.24 | abrotman | kibibyte: go to #ubuntu |
| 20:19.33 | enouf | kibibyte: really - we can't help even if we wanted to .. they do things differently over yonder in mutant-debian-land |
| 20:19.53 | kibibyte | jelly-uk, but what would you do if after you update aptitude , you will not able to install package |
| 20:20.05 | enouf | try ##linux kibibyte too |
| 20:20.18 | kibibyte | and thus package is listed in repositiry on webpage |
| 20:20.20 | jelly-uk | kibibyte: I would look for broken repos or package dependency issues |
| 20:20.46 | jelly-uk | kibibyte: which are distro (more correctly, repo) SPECIFIC |
| 20:20.46 | abrotman | kibibyte: stop asking here, go ask the channel for your distro |
| 20:21.00 | kibibyte | they dont know |
| 20:21.06 | jelly-uk | !they don't know |
| 20:21.06 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 20:21.17 | jelly-uk | dpkg: rude but correct |
| 20:21.17 | dpkg | jelly-uk: are you using Windows? |
| 20:21.23 | jelly-uk | dpkg: yes, I am! |
| 20:21.24 | dpkg | no idea, jelly-uk |
| 20:21.25 | abrotman | kibibyte: then ask ##linux .. #debian is not the appropriate place for you to ask |
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| 20:24.58 | enouf | notes his Gobble-Gobble-Act wasn't quite good enough :-/ |
| 20:24.59 | frank_white | Just to recap... on a vanilla install of debian linux, can I setup my monitors to each show half of the desktop by adding a Display subsection that says just 'Virtual 2560 1024' and run xrandr --output VGA_1 --right-of DVI-I_1/analog ..... is there anything else I should do? |
| 20:25.39 | htmlol | is it possible to somehow record the audio coming from a certain application (or just the audio out in general)? |
| 20:25.59 | enouf | frank_white: fwiw, you did most of this discussion in #debian on OFTC.net .. no? |
| 20:26.00 | abrotman | you need a loopback recorder IIRC |
| 20:26.34 | frank_white | yeah dude, I have asked everyone everywhere man |
| 20:26.36 | frank_white | no one knows |
| 20:26.48 | frank_white | it is such a simple thing, no one understands why it doesnt work |
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| 20:27.39 | enouf | htmlol: look at 'capture' settings/config , etc ... but in general, yes - if you're trying to stream live playback, and record that at the same time, a bit more config |
| 20:27.43 | htmlol | abrotman: any specific ones? a quick apt-cache search returns no results, I'm checking google presently |
| 20:27.53 | enouf | depending |
| 20:27.54 | abrotman | there used to be vsound in debian .. which is gone |
| 20:28.01 | abrotman | maybe mplayer can do it |
| 20:28.03 | htmlol | yeah that's what I was just looking at |
| 20:28.37 | enouf | frank_white: start looking into the DVI+DVI vs DVI+VGA as a possible issue? |
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| 20:28.58 | htmlol | enouf: capture settings, in any specific app? |
| 20:29.02 | enouf | mplayer can do it |
| 20:29.12 | htmlol | I'm trying to get audio from my browser specifically |
| 20:29.12 | htmlol | ah |
| 20:29.20 | enouf | alsamixer should also show you settings for that |
| 20:29.23 | htmlol | mplayer, command line or a specific client |
| 20:29.36 | enouf | hit TAB if you want to isolate Recording settings onlu |
| 20:29.36 | htmlol | would it be "Mix"? |
| 20:29.40 | htmlol | in alsamixer? |
| 20:30.13 | htmlol | oh I see |
| 20:30.35 | enouf | < Line > CD Mic Video Phone Aux Capture Mix Mix Mono |
| 20:30.46 | htmlol | looking back, vsound uses oss which I don't use anyway |
| 20:31.21 | bobbuttons | hm.. |
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| 20:31.37 | jey_ | hey guys |
| 20:31.38 | htmlol | I'm trying to figure out how to do it with mplayer... |
| 20:31.41 | bobbuttons | speaking of that... my alsamixer only shows 1 row |
| 20:31.47 | Misterjos | how do i enable the sidebar in nautilus-gnome? |
| 20:31.49 | jey_ | just going to isntall debian on a pc.. |
| 20:31.53 | enouf | htmlol: man mplayer - see -dumpstream and -dumpfile options |
| 20:31.53 | frank_white | I dont think a DVI->VGA adapter would cause a display to mirror instead of running together |
| 20:31.53 | bobbuttons | it's just "master" |
| 20:31.56 | jey_ | it has XP on |
| 20:31.57 | enouf | gotta run now ,.,. |
| 20:32.00 | bobbuttons | one column, actually |
| 20:32.02 | jey_ | do i need to resize the partition? |
| 20:32.10 | abrotman | yes if the partition takes the whole drive |
| 20:32.33 | jey_ | i have to do that in XP,i assume |
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| 20:32.47 | htmlol | enouf: I'll look at that, thanks |
| 20:32.47 | chfwiggum | gd evening all! |
| 20:34.09 | chfwiggum | where do i disable automatic loading of the x-server at boot time.id like to start in console. tia |
| 20:34.23 | steph78 | exit |
| 20:34.24 | jelly-uk | !+tell chfwiggum -about nodm |
| 20:34.24 | dpkg | told chfwiggum about nodm. |
| 20:34.26 | htmlol | alright I see. how should I handle the dumped audio? (i.e. as what format) |
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| 20:36.35 | htmlol | what file should I tell mplayer? it's asking for an input file |
| 20:36.38 | chfwiggum | jelly-uk: thx a lot |
| 20:36.42 | htmlol | I assume that would be something in /dev/ |
| 20:37.35 | htmlol | hmm...mplayer seems to want to play something and then get the audio from that |
| 20:37.38 | ness | hi, I want to buy a webcam. Do you have recommendations for cams that are well-supported by free drivers? |
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| 20:38.58 | funyun | noob here. how do i format my hard drive in debian? |
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| 20:40.08 | jelly-uk | funyun: a second one, I presume? |
| 20:40.10 | Lagbolt | funyun, you can use mkfs on command line or there are some gui utilities. can you be more specific to what you are doing? installing new system? extra storage? |
| 20:40.42 | funyun | Lagbolt: no i just want to wipe everything as easy as possible |
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| 20:41.28 | Lagbolt | funyun, wipe your current install or an extra harddrive? what filesystem do you want on it? |
| 20:41.45 | funyun | Lagbolt: none. i just need everything gone |
| 20:42.37 | Dominicus | I've upgraded to a newer kernel in debian testing, and I can't get my ipw3945 kernel module to work anymore because the debian package for it is for a previous kernel version. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look to find out how to use m-a to get it done quickly and easily? |
| 20:42.41 | Lagbolt | funyun, again would you answer . . .is it your install or a spare drive? i am not comfy telling people how to wipe out a drive withou more details |
| 20:42.52 | abrotman | Dominicus: /msg dpkg iwlwifi .. i think |
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| 20:43.04 | frankS2 | Dominicus: you need to install the firmware, i got it working on debian , apt-cache search ipw3945 or just 3945 |
| 20:43.33 | funyun | Lagbolt: it's my dedicated server. i have a new one and have transfered all my files. now i want to delete everything on my old one |
| 20:43.34 | Misterjos | hey, how do i activate the sidebar in nautilus? |
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| 20:44.30 | Lagbolt | funyun, well if the drive is in the machine and contains the OS you cant format it unless you boot a liveCD or install the drive into another machine. you cant format a drive in use |
| 20:44.55 | Misterjos | ok, i got it |
| 20:45.09 | Lagbolt | funyun, are you deleting the info for security reasons? |
| 20:45.20 | funyun | Lagbolt: yes |
| 20:46.02 | Lagbolt | funyun, well formating wont necessarily do that, you might want to read about a program that does secure deletion. . i think shred is one |
| 20:46.41 | funyun | Lagbolt: okay, will give it a try. thanks |
| 20:46.44 | Lagbolt | funyun, actually its called secure-delete . probably other similar tools exist |
| 20:47.14 | Lagbolt | funyun, you could always use a magnet, a hammer and a hot fire to delete the sensitive data :) |
| 20:47.29 | twobitsprite | Lagbolt: shred |
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| 20:47.34 | abrotman | !dban |
| 20:47.34 | dpkg | dban is, like, http://www.dban.org/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 20:47.47 | Lagbolt | abrotman, nice! |
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| 20:50.04 | kibibyte | http://www.thacker.ca/linuxgirl.jpg |
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| 20:52.16 | abrotman | kibibyte: spam elsewhere |
| 20:52.33 | nelson | is there ANY citable count for the number of Debian users? |
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| 20:53.18 | nelson | Not an exact number, just a ballpark figure. |
| 20:53.31 | abrotman | !tell nelson about popcon |
| 20:53.35 | _Sam-- | someone knows -- the thing asks if its ok to report installation statistics. |
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| 20:54.42 | nelson | tnx, abrotman but those are rather minimal figures. We know the number is much much larer than that. |
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| 20:54.55 | twobitsprite | _Sam--: are you asking a question? |
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| 20:55.19 | _Sam-- | nope. |
| 20:55.33 | abrotman | nelson: i'm aware .. but that's the closest you may get AFAIK .. maybe ask the debian-user mailing list |
| 20:55.34 | twobitsprite | ok... couldn't parse your sentence for some reason :) |
| 20:57.40 | _Sam-- | nelson: you could do your own calculations. all you would need to know first is how many windows installations in the world there are. |
| 20:57.50 | _Sam-- | or how many total OS installations in the world there are |
| 20:57.59 | jey_ | too many :/ |
| 20:58.02 | _Sam-- | linux = .7% of that |
| 20:58.10 | _Sam-- | then figure out what % of linux people, are debian. |
| 20:58.36 | _Sam-- | O/S Market share october 08: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=117 |
| 20:59.17 | nelson | that's a help. |
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| 21:00.06 | _Sam-- | here's the 2007 linux distro breakdown: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8454912761.html |
| 21:00.20 | _Sam-- | you could get at least some ideas of the rough number of debians. |
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| 21:01.04 | Firefishe | I got disconnected and lost my irc buffer a sec ago. Can someone give me a .deb file name for a bpo-series 2.6.27 kernel-image, please? |
| 21:01.05 | Alver | Hello. Is there a known issue with NFS in Lenny? Regardless of the squash option I give, it keeps acting like all_squash - that is, all users are forced to nobody:nogroup. |
| 21:01.41 | abrotman | Firefishe: there isn't one |
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| 21:01.46 | abrotman | only .26 IIRC |
| 21:01.47 | Dominicus | abrotman: Preivously, I just had the iwl3945 firmware, the ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686 and possibly the ipw3945d (but i think I wasn't using it, and that the iwl was being used from within the kernel). So, i should take a look at getting iwlwifi going out of the kernel then? |
| 21:02.03 | abrotman | Dominicus: iwlwifi is what you want now .. |
| 21:02.27 | Dominicus | abrotman: cool. I'll look into getting that going then. thank you. |
| 21:02.39 | Firefishe | abrotman: hmm...thought someone gave me a .27 image name a while ago. Perhaps it was a guess on their part. .26 might work. I need the ath9k module for my Atheros wi-fi card. |
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| 21:03.13 | abrotman | Firefishe: you can look at packages.debian.org to verify |
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| 21:03.50 | Firefishe | abrotman: Currently using another distro (which shall remain nameless) and it's driving me mad. Headhpone jack doens't even work, even though the speakers do, grrrr. #alsa's been helpful (amazing how you get great help in proper chans, eh? ;) ) hee |
| 21:04.15 | nelson | _Sam--: http://www.forrester.com/ER/Press/Release/0,1769,1151,00.html A billion computers by end of 2008, 12% growth rate. |
| 21:04.37 | nelson | _Sam--: 1000000000 * (100 - 12) / 100.0 * .07 * .14 is 8.6 million Debian users. |
| 21:04.46 | Firefishe | abrotman: I saw some .26 packages earlier today. I'll probably have to use them. My main issue is bandwidth. I have the r3 dvd's, so I really don't want to have to do a netinstall, although I do have the disk for that. |
| 21:05.36 | _Sam-- | why wouldnt it be 1,000,000,000 x .071 ? |
| 21:05.47 | _Sam-- | oh duh, that would only be total linux. |
| 21:05.59 | _Sam-- | i dont understand the (100-12) / 100 |
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| 21:06.53 | Firefishe | abrotman: When I get to repositories section during the install process, is it possible to use the lenny repositories? |
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| 21:07.38 | davidisko | hi guys, which terminal are you using in gnome? i've used "konsole" under KDE, but i want something for gnome |
| 21:07.39 | abrotman | using the bizcard i think |
| 21:07.40 | jelly-uk | nelson: how do you factor in, say, 3000 users of 6 shared webhosting Debian machines? |
| 21:08.15 | _Sam-- | i dont know the date of this statement: "Comprehensive, beginning-to-advanced coverage of Debian GNU/Linux, which boasts an estimated installed base of 1.75 million servers and a year-to-year growth rate of 25 percent " |
| 21:08.36 | nelson | jelly: I don't care down to that detail. I just want something that I can justify to the IRS. |
| 21:09.27 | nelson | I hereby declare that Debian development is "Computer Science Research", as far as the IRS is concerned. |
| 21:09.51 | _Sam-- | only if you are developing software intended for SALE |
| 21:09.51 | jelly-uk | nelson: that sounds as reasonable a box as it can get, I guess ;-) |
| 21:10.08 | ilaiho | davidisko: Gnome has gnome-terminal |
| 21:10.21 | _Sam-- | if you are developing software used for internal business process or not to be sold to other parties, you will never pass the IRS test. |
| 21:11.22 | nelson | _Sam--: this is for a 501(c)3 |
| 21:11.34 | _Sam-- | we have about 250k a year of salaries devoted to open source software development that we wanted to get some federal research credits on....no go, since we werent offering the stuff being developed for sale :/ |
| 21:11.56 | nelson | oh, yeah, not worried about that. |
| 21:11.56 | davidisko | ilaiho: but i don't like it :) |
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| 21:13.48 | g2g591 | you could sell it for 1 cent |
| 21:14.20 | g2g591 | or while simultaineously having a free version thats exactly the same |
| 21:14.25 | _Sam-- | to our 'arms length' company? :) |
| 21:14.38 | _Sam-- | its not worth lying or cheating over. we dont qualify. |
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| 21:15.15 | g2g591 | ah well... hte burocracy of the U.S. government..... if anything you should get additional credit for giving it away for free |
| 21:16.09 | \amethyst | _Sam--: would it count if you sold CDs and manuals? |
| 21:17.07 | \amethyst | for that matter, you can simply sell the software (for most licenses)... it's just that you can't prevent your customers from turning around and undercutting you |
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| 21:17.43 | \amethyst | but I suppose they want a business plan that is actually likely to make money |
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| 21:27.03 | jvm | hi. what should i do for amarok to automatically detect my ipod? it is recognized as /dev/sdc2, but not mounted automatically. |
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| 21:27.55 | jvm | nothing is mounted automatically, to be exact. |
| 21:27.58 | Firefishe | Just a quick question: What is a `bigmem' kernel image for? |
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| 21:28.12 | jelly-uk | Firefishe: more than 3.4GB RAM |
| 21:28.33 | Firefishe | jelly: Well, I'm using 4GB, so I suppose I should use it |
| 21:28.44 | phorce1 | Firefishe: but if you have exactly 4GB don't bother |
| 21:28.57 | Firefishe | phorce1: won't matter? |
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| 21:29.07 | phorce1 | Firefishe: the overhead eats more than you lose |
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| 21:29.21 | jelly-uk | Firefishe: it incurs a somewhat significant performance penalty |
| 21:29.33 | Firefishe | jelly: the bigmem kernel does? |
| 21:29.38 | jelly-uk | Firefishe: yes |
| 21:29.45 | Firefishe | okay, I"ll stick with the stock one. |
| 21:29.54 | Firefishe | Thanks folks...I appreciate it. I'll tame this beast yet. |
| 21:29.55 | Firefishe | :) |
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| 21:30.06 | jelly-uk | Firefishe: if you can, use the -amd64 kernel instead; otherwise -686 works for 1-4GB RAM |
| 21:30.25 | jelly-uk | Firefishe: the installer one is -486, you want to replace that one |
| 21:30.29 | Firefishe | jelly: I've seen the amd64, but I've got intel architecture |
| 21:30.36 | Firefishe | T5750 |
| 21:30.51 | jelly-uk | Firefishe: a core2duo or newer cpu will be amd64 compatible, too |
| 21:30.53 | _Sam-- | \amethyst : thanks for your ideas. there are some less ethical accountants who might try to take what we are talking about and still try to get the federal tax credit. but the facts are the facts....and the facts are that we are developing software that is used for our internal business processes. |
| 21:30.54 | Firefishe | I am using vista64 on the other side of the drive, however. |
| 21:31.00 | jelly-uk | Firefishe: if it does 64bit, it's amd64 |
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| 21:31.11 | Firefishe | jelly: thank you. that clarifries (yes, fries) that ;) hee |
| 21:31.22 | jelly-uk | Firefishe: amd thought of it first, so they got to name it |
| 21:31.26 | Firefishe | I see |
| 21:31.32 | Firefishe | lucky bums |
| 21:31.33 | Firefishe | ;) |
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| 21:31.54 | jelly-uk | some other distros call it x86_64 or whatnot |
| 21:32.00 | cafuego | Intel thought of it first, but did it wrong (Itanic) |
| 21:32.31 | joneal | hi |
| 21:32.32 | jelly-uk | cafuego: different arch... and if we're talking different arch, there was 64bit before itanic |
| 21:32.40 | Firefishe | jelly: oh..one nagging thing. Will the use of a 64bit kernel limit my module (driver) use, relative to video (Nvidia 9700M GT 512mb), sound, and wireless? |
| 21:32.51 | cafuego | Firefishe: no |
| 21:33.05 | Firefishe | cafuego: good then. |
| 21:33.14 | cafuego | Firefishe: Java in a browser might suck, but tha's about it these days. |
| 21:33.19 | Firefishe | might as well use the 64bit version, no sense staying limited. |
| 21:33.33 | Firefishe | cafuego: well, java in a browser is important to me. |
| 21:33.36 | jelly-uk | cafuego: err... I was thinking 64bit kernel only |
| 21:33.56 | cafuego | oic |
| 21:33.58 | Firefishe | cafuego: If I use the 64bit kernel, will that be a problem? |
| 21:34.07 | cafuego | Firefishe: No, the ekrnel won't affect a java plugin |
| 21:34.08 | jelly-uk | cafuego: the original issue above was about bigmem kernel in context of 4GB RAM |
| 21:34.23 | Firefishe | cafuego: k. I usually just download the lastest JRE from sun, anyway |
| 21:34.28 | cafuego | jelly-uk: ok - i just fell out of bed ;-) |
| 21:34.35 | jelly-uk | cafuego: right foot first! |
| 21:34.45 | cafuego | forehead first |
| 21:34.54 | Firefishe | pants first, then your biomechanical exoskeleton! |
| 21:35.00 | cafuego | dunno what cam enect, but it hurt |
| 21:35.02 | jelly-uk | cafuego: at least you didn't hit anything important |
| 21:35.18 | cafuego | jelly-uk: No, all important parts got up earlier (wife) |
| 21:35.29 | jelly-uk | cafuego: I'd hit that |
| 21:35.31 | jelly-uk | runs |
| 21:35.32 | Firefishe | hee jelly...I hear you there |
| 21:35.36 | mphill | does debian use upstart instead of sysvinit? |
| 21:35.37 | cafuego | tsssk |
| 21:35.44 | Firefishe | wifey is most important parts :-))) |
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| 21:35.58 | eptalon | heyas.. |
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| 21:36.13 | eptalon | How much fragmentation would you call "bad"? |
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| 21:36.21 | _Sam-- | what type? |
| 21:36.26 | Firefishe | fsck and take it away ;) |
| 21:37.07 | eptalon | _Sam--: on ext3 I have seen like less than a percent. |
| 21:37.16 | cafuego | eptalon: depends on the FS. 3% in NTFS, 99% on ext3... |
| 21:37.17 | _Sam-- | pffft. thats nothing. |
| 21:37.28 | jelly-uk | eptalon: 67% :-) |
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| 21:37.41 | Firefishe | bye for now, time to get this other distro off my hard drive before it tanks it ;) |
| 21:37.49 | eptalon | I just ask because I have an NTFS volume, that has like 20% fragmentation (despite being half empty...) |
| 21:37.52 | jelly-uk | eptalon: what's your median file size? How many files? |
| 21:38.20 | cafuego | should go see where his AP went to and set it back up |
| 21:39.38 | phorce1 | Since it's being discussed, how does one check fragmantation with fsck? A quick search of the man page turned up nothing. |
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| 21:40.31 | eptalon | phorce1: usually fragmentation is not an issue for linux/unix fses |
| 21:40.33 | jelly-uk | phorce1: just do a fsck (-f if needed) and it'll report it |
| 21:40.59 | _Sam-- | -nfv might work |
| 21:41.00 | jelly-uk | phorce1: all the usual precautions apply |
| 21:41.44 | jelly-uk | eptalon: yeah.... not true |
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| 21:42.20 | jelly-uk | eptalon: aged and well used filesystems get quite a bit faster after a defrag |
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| 21:42.55 | Pavlz | hello |
| 21:43.11 | eptalon | jelly-uk: median file size: 292k |
| 21:44.01 | Pavlz | whick program or any other thing can i use to test the integrity of my new hard drive from 2.5 inch 160 gb that is inside my laptop ? |
| 21:44.13 | valdyn | Pavlz: badblocks |
| 21:44.26 | jelly-uk | eptalon: I'd defrag just the directories you want to run optimally (if possible) |
| 21:44.31 | valdyn | Pavlz: and smartmontools |
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| 21:44.52 | Pavlz | to know if there are badblocks |
| 21:44.58 | jelly-uk | eptalon: thankfully NTFS (well, windows nt 5+) can do defrag on the fly |
| 21:45.21 | jelly-uk | linux will get that never |
| 21:45.25 | Pavlz | i am using a ext3 |
| 21:45.57 | jelly-uk | Pavlz: there might be vendor-specific tools |
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| 21:46.19 | Piper69 | where can i learn kernel fundamentals please |
| 21:46.38 | Lagbolt | Piper69, maybe #kernel |
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| 21:47.07 | Pavlz | at the moment i needed to install the first one distribution that i could give me the possibility to download debian |
| 21:47.22 | Pavlz | last hard drive is broken |
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| 21:47.52 | amphi | Piper69: http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/ perhaps may be of use |
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| 21:48.08 | Pavlz | and i was fortunately to have had the possibility to recover all |
| 21:48.46 | Pavlz | now i am using an edubuntu, but now when the update are finished |
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| 21:49.11 | Pavlz | i did my cd's of GNU/linux Debian |
| 21:49.35 | Pavlz | why you use su then sudo ? |
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| 21:50.12 | landev | how can i setup two debian servers that are placed in two different subnetworks for getting a redundant apache system? |
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| 21:51.28 | Pavlz | and i got another big problem: 1 mac os x with the jaguar distribution of mac os x |
| 21:51.33 | _Sam-- | does this work with debian: to force an e2fsck at next boot, create the empty file /forcefsck ? |
| 21:52.05 | cahoot | touch /forcefsck |
| 21:52.15 | Pavlz | but not any possibility to copy from mac os to GNU/linux and from GNU/linux to mac os x |
| 21:52.16 | valdyn | _Sam--: find out yourself: "grep forcefsck /etc/init.d/*" |
| 21:52.20 | _Sam-- | just making sure...thanks. easier than booting to single user mode. |
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| 21:52.38 | _Sam-- | thank you, both |
| 21:52.38 | cahoot | _Sam--: ...or shutdown -rF |
| 21:52.54 | _Sam-- | thank you , again. |
| 21:53.10 | eptalon | _Sam--: nope |
| 21:53.43 | _Sam-- | if i wanted to run fsck on a mounted filesystem that couldnt be unmounted when the box is running ( / ), then the only way is to fsck at boot? |
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| 21:54.17 | Pavlz | can i use fsck -y from shell ? |
| 21:54.30 | eptalon | Pavlz: yes. |
| 21:54.43 | eptalon | Pavlz: with the usual caveats, ofc. |
| 21:54.47 | Pavlz | at the start of computer |
| 21:54.50 | ggi | anyone have a good resource for lap top repair manuals? i have a toshiba and on their site for my lappy, they only have a "user manual" which is not what I need. I want to find something that has repair instructions |
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| 21:55.08 | eptalon | ggi: google? |
| 21:55.12 | Pavlz | or when i am typing for example as now |
| 21:55.20 | eptalon | Pavlz: yes. |
| 21:55.21 | ggi | eptalon: been trying. still am |
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| 21:55.34 | ggi | eptalon: do you have any ideas on good keywords? |
| 21:55.37 | ggi | ro find such a manual |
| 21:55.37 | Pavlz | there is not any risk ? |
| 21:55.42 | ggi | to* |
| 21:56.08 | Pavlz | because today for my hard drive i paid 60 euro |
| 21:56.16 | eptalon | ggi: your laptop modle number |
| 21:56.23 | Firefishe | What are the differences between these two kernel images?: linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-10_amd64.deb and linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-10_i386.deb |
| 21:56.37 | Pavlz | thinkpad t23 ibm |
| 21:56.54 | ggi | ya, currently doing satellite m45-s331 and have tried repair manual, repair preceedure advanced user guide, others. |
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| 21:57.12 | eptalon | Pavlz: you use -y usually when you have many errors, and are sick of typing y |
| 21:57.15 | _Sam-- | ibm has great repair manuals for their laptops. you should be able to find it. |
| 21:57.31 | Firefishe | wish asus would do the same ;) |
| 21:58.18 | Pavlz | this laptop is old |
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| 21:58.30 | Pavlz | i bought than 1 year ago |
| 21:58.39 | Pavlz | for 270 euro |
| 21:58.45 | _Sam-- | i used some t23's to build some wifi digital picture frames for friends....there are repair manuals out there. |
| 21:58.47 | _Sam-- | i found them. |
| 21:58.52 | Firefishe | Pavlz: I recently installed lenny on an old Compqu NS600 |
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| 21:58.58 | Firefishe | works quite nicely :) |
| 21:59.02 | Firefishe | Compaq |
| 21:59.49 | Pavlz | and i changed lcd, then puttted the dvd+/-r and the pcmcia siemens gigaset pc card 108 ar5212/5213 |
| 22:00.03 | _Sam-- | ggi: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-39298 |
| 22:00.17 | Pavlz | thank you sam |
| 22:00.42 | _Sam-- | anytime! |
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| 22:03.09 | bolt | laughs as the screen next to him goes blue |
| 22:03.13 | reveurs_ | how do I find the label for the NIC? Such as eth0 en0 eth1 etc? |
| 22:03.21 | reveurs_ | it doesn't come up with ifconfig |
| 22:03.34 | bolt | reveurs_: ifconfig -a? |
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| 22:03.38 | bolt | (no ?) |
| 22:03.51 | _Sam-- | lshw |grep Eth |
| 22:03.55 | _Sam-- | could also shed some light |
| 22:04.23 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:05.58 | Firefishe | linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-10_amd64.deb, linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-10_i386.deb. |
| 22:06.23 | Firefishe | computer is nuking itself, reboot time |
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| 22:09.06 | ggi | _Sam--: Thanks for trying to help me, sam |
| 22:09.09 | Pavlz | in the shell i got two errors |
| 22:09.21 | Pavlz | For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ |
| 22:09.21 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.25 | _Sam-- | ggi: sure. did you find the t23 manual? i saw it. |
| 22:09.33 | Pavlz | yes |
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| 22:10.28 | Pavlz | For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ |
| 22:10.28 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.28 | Pavlz | invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "force-reload" failed. |
| 22:10.53 | jjulian | hi how can i really check if spamassassin incl. qmail is working correctly? cause i get alot of spam and its always getting through |
| 22:11.12 | _Sam-- | jjulian : the important part is making spamassassin use the hash checking services like pyzor and razor |
| 22:11.16 | _Sam-- | otherwise it will never up to spec. |
| 22:11.17 | jjulian | spamd is running and qmail queue is changed |
| 22:11.17 | ggi | _Sam--: wrong manufacter |
| 22:11.21 | ggi | but thanks foer trying |
| 22:11.23 | ggi | Toshiba. |
| 22:11.27 | ggi | not Lenovo |
| 22:11.34 | ggi | I did find one though |
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| 22:11.37 | Pavlz | i must to reboot |
| 22:11.37 | ggi | and it seems to be working |
| 22:11.38 | jjulian | _Sam--: where to set that? never used spamassassin before |
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| 22:11.50 | _Sam-- | ggi: my fault, i got confused, i saw this: <Pavlz> thinkpad t23 ibm |
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| 22:12.12 | _Sam-- | jjulian : do some reading up on spamassassin pyzor or spamassassin razor |
| 22:12.18 | _Sam-- | i had your same problems for a while. |
| 22:13.48 | zarac- | how can i get an overview of my hard-drive, so i can find out what's taking up all my space on one of my hdd's |
| 22:14.11 | _Sam-- | zarac: du or find? |
| 22:14.39 | zarac- | can i limit them to only "read" from a certain device? |
| 22:14.40 | Lagbolt | zarac, run "du -L -c -B M --max-depth=1 -P" in / |
| 22:14.42 | _Sam-- | find . -size something |
| 22:14.57 | jjulian | _Sam--: you got a site with some infos? i just cant find the right stuff. |
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| 22:15.12 | zarac- | hmm |
| 22:15.22 | _Sam-- | jjulian : no. there's not that much to it, and its not debian specific. just figure out how to make spamassassin use razor or pyzor. |
| 22:15.35 | _Sam-- | and tht will help alot of problems. |
| 22:15.39 | _Sam-- | or, join #spamassassin |
| 22:15.44 | _Sam-- | if they have a channel |
| 22:16.26 | _Sam-- | but it does look like apt-get knows razor and pyzor, too |
| 22:16.33 | _Sam-- | at least mine does. |
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| 22:17.25 | zarac- | oh, thanks Lagbolt, i didn't see your message =D |
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| 22:18.00 | Saz|Laptop | is there any way to get nano to display long lines the way vi does? |
| 22:18.08 | zarac- | ooo, nice one |
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| 22:19.02 | zarac- | Lagbolt, is there a way to limit it to a specific device? /dev/hdd1 |
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| 22:19.25 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop: try -w |
| 22:19.27 | zarac- | i have other drives mounted that get calculated in when i run du |
| 22:20.20 | _Sam-- | zarac: jut add the drive info to the end: du .... /some/direcotry |
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| 22:21.04 | _Sam-- | or, man du |
| 22:21.14 | zarac- | : ) |
| 22:21.47 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, I dont mean when typing |
| 22:21.57 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, I mean for files with already long lones |
| 22:21.59 | Saz|Laptop | *lines |
| 22:22.19 | unop | if i've accidentally done something like zcat blah.gz > /dev/sda # and /dev/sda contains quite a bit of data, what can i do to reverse it or get the data back ? |
| 22:22.19 | _Sam-- | i use pico alot, not nano -- but pico with -w makes the long lines not wrap, whether you are typing or reading. |
| 22:22.32 | _Sam-- | and pico and nano are closely related, i thikn. |
| 22:23.06 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, on my OS pico is a symlink to nano, and nano -w still cuts off long likes with $ |
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| 22:23.31 | Saz|Laptop | what -w DOES to for nano is make it so when you type and it goes to the end of the screen width, it doesnt automaticallly go to the next line |
| 22:23.59 | CaT[t3] | unop: try praying to your favourite god. goats may help. |
| 22:24.00 | _Sam-- | instead of telling me what the -w is doing -- tell me more info about what you WANT to do. |
| 22:24.32 | unop | CaT[t3], is there absolutely no way of recovering data then? |
| 22:24.37 | joeytwiddle | unop: mke2fs creates alternate superblocks, e2fsck may be able to make use of them |
| 22:24.53 | CaT[t3] | unop: depends on how much of the partition you've nuked |
| 22:25.11 | jelly-uk | unop: how large was blah.gz unpacked? |
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| 22:25.23 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, just like i said earlier, I want lines that go beyond the width of the screen to display like they do in vim, not be cut off with $ |
| 22:25.34 | _Sam-- | unop : CaT[t3] sures seems to know a lot more than i do -- but it doesnt seem like a good chance of getting back what you want. |
| 22:25.36 | unop | jelly-uk, CaT[t3], just a few meg about 94 - /dev/sda is 250GiB |
| 22:25.40 | fr00g_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1267981 hi, can someone help me with that? |
| 22:26.02 | CaT[t3] | unop: e2fsck may be of help, then. |
| 22:26.07 | Saz|Laptop | in vim, long lines wrap as would a standard editor, -w doesn't do this |
| 22:26.36 | jelly-uk | unop: you will need to a) recreate the partition table exactly as it was, then b) use e2fsck or similar tools to fix the filesystem(s) affected. |
| 22:26.46 | joeytwiddle | oh /dev/sda not sda1 - so does that mean he's nuked his partition table too? :E |
| 22:26.51 | joeytwiddle | ah yeah what jelly says |
| 22:27.00 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : are you editing or reading the file |
| 22:27.02 | CaT[t3] | joey: aye |
| 22:27.05 | jelly-uk | unop: I'd suggest creating a whole disk copy before making any additional changes |
| 22:27.09 | unop | jelly-uk, hmm- thing is i don't know how the partition table was exactly |
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| 22:27.25 | jelly-uk | !info gpart |
| 22:27.32 | zarac- | Lagbolt, that doesn't seem to work since they are not symlinks |
| 22:27.36 | unop | jelly-uk, hmm, I'm already starved of space too |
| 22:27.37 | joeytwiddle | fr00g: first try apt-get -f install |
| 22:27.46 | dpkg | gpart: (Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1h-7 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 22:28.00 | fr00g_ | joeytwiddle:thank you, i will try |
| 22:28.10 | unop | i'm such a moron sometimes |
| 22:28.17 | jelly-uk | unop: so buy a second disk. If your data isn't worth the $100 or less for a 500GB disk, no need to waste our time either |
| 22:28.25 | unop | thanks jelly-uk - i'll have a look at gpart |
| 22:28.37 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, reading |
| 22:28.48 | xsdg | !tell me about backports |
| 22:28.55 | Lagbolt | zarac, it shouldnt find symlinks. it should ignore them |
| 22:28.59 | jelly-uk | unop: I strongly recommend at making a copy before messing it up more, though |
| 22:29.07 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : why not just use less instead? |
| 22:29.18 | zarac- | yeah, i don't use any symlinks so it doesn't matter.. i've mounted them using --bind |
| 22:29.21 | _Sam-- | or more |
| 22:29.32 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, what if I'm reading AND editing |
| 22:29.38 | unop | jelly-uk, sure - thanks |
| 22:29.41 | _Sam-- | well thats not what you said you were doing! |
| 22:29.43 | _Sam-- | i just asked! |
| 22:29.44 | jelly-uk | unop: was the system rebooted after the cat? |
| 22:29.45 | Lagbolt | zarac, it should still show the usage for the dirs one level deep |
| 22:29.50 | _Sam-- | <Saz|Laptop> _Sam--, reading |
| 22:30.05 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, true, for just reading, less or cat would be good |
| 22:30.08 | unop | jelly-uk, no |
| 22:30.11 | jelly-uk | unop: if it wasn't, your kernel still carries a copy of the partition table in memory |
| 22:30.17 | jelly-uk | unop: cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:30.19 | Saz|Laptop | but what if I'm reading and i want to edit some bit of a file, at the end of a line |
| 22:30.25 | zarac- | !pastebin |
| 22:30.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:30.27 | fr00g_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.33 | jelly-uk | unop: save that output |
| 22:30.35 | _Sam-- | -r cols |
| 22:30.44 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop: use -r 80 i think |
| 22:30.48 | zarac- | Lagbolt: http://rafb.net/p/laZBqq44.html |
| 22:30.53 | _Sam-- | Wrap lines at column #cols |
| 22:31.03 | zarac- | it's not anywhere near correct :) |
| 22:31.04 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.06 | zarac- | oops |
| 22:31.08 | zarac- | wrong paste |
| 22:31.14 | jelly-uk | unop: you can use a pastebin to show it to people here, too |
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| 22:31.37 | unop | jelly-uk, ok - no sda in the output tho - http://pastebin.com/d302bea36 |
| 22:31.38 | Pavlz | here i am |
| 22:31.50 | zarac- | Lagbolt: http://rafb.net/p/6pdCD853.html there.. sorry =D |
| 22:32.00 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:32.05 | _Sam-- | you could also toggle it with "Meta-L" |
| 22:32.10 | _Sam-- | Long Line Wrapping Toggle (Meta-L) |
| 22:32.13 | Pavlz | these is the situation |
| 22:32.28 | jelly-uk | unop: are you positive tt'd been formatted before _and_ you didn't reboot? |
| 22:32.38 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : you could also use a nanorc file |
| 22:32.41 | _Sam-- | and set right in there nowrap |
| 22:32.42 | zarac- | also tried with -x ... didn't do much =D |
| 22:32.42 | Lagbolt | zarac, right whats the trouble? you can then go into the one you think is bloated and run it again and it will do the same for the dirs in there |
| 22:32.43 | unop | jelly-uk, absolutely |
| 22:32.44 | _Sam-- | or wrap |
| 22:33.07 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.1/nano.html |
| 22:33.12 | joeytwiddle | ok fr00g_ you can fix the "trying to overwrite ... which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen" like this: cd /var/cache/apt/archives ; dpkg -i --force-overwrite kde-icons.oxygen<Tab>.deb |
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| 22:33.14 | unop | jelly-uk, infact, i'd committed this error just before coming in here not 5 minutes ago |
| 22:33.22 | zarac- | Lagbolt, hmm.. i'm not seeing it, but i'll give it a try and see :) |
| 22:33.28 | sigp239 | What's the "best" distro for a vanilla KDE 4.x? |
| 22:33.36 | fr00g_ | joeytwiddle: thank you again |
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| 22:33.41 | Lagbolt | zarac, you are trying to find what is using up your space right? |
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| 22:34.12 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, I tried -r 80, and a bunch of other values, all had no effect on the output |
| 22:34.13 | zarac- | ah, Lagbolt, now it all makes sense.. thanks a bunch =D |
| 22:34.20 | Lagbolt | zarac, welcome |
| 22:34.23 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : refer to the manul: http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.1/nano.html |
| 22:34.26 | _Sam-- | its not that complicated. |
| 22:34.29 | joeytwiddle | fr00g_ i'm sorry it's the kollision package you need to do that to, you already have kde-icons-oxygen ;) |
| 22:34.49 | _Sam-- | search for "wrap". you'll find 3 ways to solve your problem. |
| 22:34.51 | unop | jelly-uk, doesn't look good, does it? |
| 22:35.09 | jelly-uk | unop: that's somewhat weird. ls -l /dev/sda* ? |
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| 22:35.35 | Pavlz | ./dev/hda1 137415/19447808 files 1372299/38885324 blocks |
| 22:35.46 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, I read the manual, no matter what i tried in relation to wrapping, lines still get cut off with $ |
| 22:36.11 | unop | jelly-uk, nope- no /dev/sda* - let me check the output of fdisk -l |
| 22:36.13 | Pavlz | it means that there are 1372299 badblocks ? |
| 22:36.20 | jelly-uk | unop: don't run fdisk |
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| 22:36.36 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop: maybe you are not really using nano, and are really using pico. |
| 22:36.48 | _Sam-- | you said a few minutes ago that nano was a symlink to it, i think. |
| 22:36.50 | jelly-uk | unop: is there no "/dev/sda" at all, let alone the partitions? |
| 22:36.53 | unop | jelly-uk, oops, even to list partitions? |
| 22:37.01 | _Sam-- | and maybe the version of pico doesnt support the same options. |
| 22:37.05 | jelly-uk | unop: could be safe, but I'm not sure |
| 22:37.08 | unop | jelly-uk, yea, no /dev/sda* at all |
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| 22:37.17 | jelly-uk | unop: uname -r |
| 22:37.33 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, I'm using nano, the header of my app says " GNU nano 2.0.6" |
| 22:37.42 | unop | jelly-uk, 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 22:38.10 | jelly-uk | unop: pastebin, say, tail -200 /var/log/kern.log |
| 22:38.17 | Pavlz | Sam it means that there are 1372299 badblocks ? |
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| 22:38.31 | Saz|Laptop | Meta-L does indeed cause it to say "Long line wrapping disabled", but it does nothing for the already outputted text, they are still cut off with $ at the end of the screen |
| 22:38.32 | jelly-uk | unop: or of dmesg output |
| 22:38.44 | ProTip1 | hell, i am on debian 4.0r4 and i have a problem with my time settings. my timezone is correct, my BIOS time is correct, but my system time is wrong. can anyone help me fix this? |
| 22:38.46 | _Sam-- | nanorc file. |
| 22:38.49 | Saz|Laptop | and like i said, -r with any value does absolutely nothing |
| 22:38.50 | ProTip1 | hello*, rather |
| 22:38.52 | _Sam-- | set nowrap |
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| 22:39.00 | _Sam-- | or, join #nano :) |
| 22:39.02 | jelly-uk | unop: catting to /dev/sda shouldn't have made the devices disappear |
| 22:39.05 | unop | jelly-uk, i might need to tail more - http://pastebin.com/f1d2d9f36 |
| 22:39.06 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, what would that do other than force -w all the time |
| 22:39.14 | Saz|Laptop | which ive already shown doesn'tdo what its intended |
| 22:39.20 | Saz|Laptop | or what I expect |
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| 22:39.29 | unop | jelly-uk, it looks like the device is now /dev/sdd* - http://pastebin.com/d508f01b7 |
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| 22:39.46 | zarac- | Lagbolt: http://rafb.net/p/NeJFBj95.html .. oops! .. the backup became a bit larger when i bound my music directory for the web :) |
| 22:39.55 | jelly-uk | unop: yes, and there's a filesystem mounted and your dmesg is getting hammered |
| 22:40.15 | jelly-uk | unop: with (v)fat errors |
| 22:40.19 | Pavlz | Sam |
| 22:40.20 | unop | jelly-uk, yea |
| 22:40.22 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, maybe you can tell me how you went about getting pico standalone on debian |
| 22:40.29 | Saz|Laptop | I do ineed prefer pico over nano |
| 22:40.35 | jelly-uk | unop: is it a hot-plugged device? |
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| 22:41.08 | unop | jelly-uk, errm - i don't think so - it's an external USB HDD |
| 22:41.09 | eptalon | unop: Something like an USB harddrive? |
| 22:41.16 | jelly-uk | unop: USB = hotpluggable |
| 22:41.16 | unop | eptalon, yep |
| 22:41.23 | unop | jelly-uk, right ok |
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| 22:41.27 | eptalon | unop: you got usb-storage? |
| 22:41.35 | unop | eptalon, yes |
| 22:41.40 | jelly-uk | unop: ok, so the partition table is already lost |
| 22:41.50 | unop | jelly-uk, it does look like it |
| 22:41.56 | meyou | i need to upgrade or somehow change my kernel to something different, for some testing i'm doing |
| 22:42.08 | meyou | what's the easiest way for me to get a new, distinguishable, kernel on a dewbian server? |
| 22:42.11 | jelly-uk | unop: oh well. disconnect it; stop the hal service |
| 22:42.24 | xota | hi! I'm trying to delete swfdec-mozilla because I like to try flash player 10, but aptitude said me that I must delete gnome to delete swfdec. How can I solve it? |
| 22:42.26 | meyou | Linux JWDebianLinux 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 16 22:30:01 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:42.26 | meyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.29 | eptalon | unop: go do a tail -f /var/log/syslog, then unplug, and replug. |
| 22:42.33 | jelly-uk | unop: it seems something might be trying to access it automatically |
| 22:42.45 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : http://www.washington.edu/pine/ |
| 22:42.53 | unop | jelly-uk, done |
| 22:43.02 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, oh so you installed Pine alltogether |
| 22:43.12 | eptalon | unop: if going as planned, you get some output, can we have that in a pastebin' |
| 22:43.14 | jelly-uk | eptalon: did that stop the dmesg/kern.log being filled up? |
| 22:43.17 | jelly-uk | er |
| 22:43.20 | _Sam-- | yes. |
| 22:43.21 | unop | eptalon, i'm not attempting to find/mount it - i've just messed up the partition tables by an erroneous command |
| 22:43.23 | jelly-uk | unop: did that stop the dmesg/kern.log being filled up? |
| 22:43.32 | Saz|Laptop | Shame, on freebsd i was able to install pico without pine via ports |
| 22:43.39 | eptalon | unop: oh. ok. |
| 22:44.00 | unop | jelly-uk, yes - last message in kern.log is usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 8 |
| 22:44.30 | jelly-uk | unop: are you using Gnome? |
| 22:44.43 | unop | jelly-uk, no - why? |
| 22:45.20 | jelly-uk | unop: (any other) desktop environment or a service that tries to mount filesystems automatically on hot-plug? |
| 22:45.22 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : im sure it wont, but if it makes you feel any better, my standard nano has the same problems you are describing. i dont have time to ssh to anothre box where i built pine and pico from source to check. |
| 22:45.38 | jelly-uk | unop: hal, usbmount? |
| 22:45.40 | unop | jelly-uk, errm, yea, ivman |
| 22:45.46 | _Sam-- | but on my standard debian etch box, nano does exactly like you say -- and im unable to make it wrap long lines at all. |
| 22:45.48 | jelly-uk | unop: stop it |
| 22:45.49 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, I just found out the alpine-pico package has pico standalone |
| 22:46.12 | jelly-uk | unop: verify it's stopped before plugging back the device |
| 22:46.42 | unop | jelly-uk, ok, done - i'm plugging it back in |
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| 22:47.09 | yannik | Hi all |
| 22:47.10 | jelly-uk | unop: did the fat errors come back? Would be nice if they didn't |
| 22:47.12 | ProTip1 | so...can anyone tell me why my system has incorrect time? |
| 22:47.26 | enouf | !set the time\ |
| 22:47.29 | enouf | !set the time |
| 22:47.29 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 22:47.33 | _Sam-- | ProTip1 : probably cause you are not runnig NTP and didnt set the time? |
| 22:47.38 | yannik | Does anybody here running Debian on a MacBook ? |
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| 22:47.41 | unop | jelly-uk, no - just messages about USB device connected, etc |
| 22:47.47 | enouf | !macbook |
| 22:47.47 | dpkg | somebody said macbook was http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook or now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse |
| 22:47.54 | jelly-uk | unop: how does the etc look like? |
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| 22:48.12 | jelly-uk | unop: I mean, pastebin the last 20-ish lines ;-) |
| 22:48.31 | enouf | unop: udevmonitor/udevadm help? |
| 22:48.34 | unop | jelly-uk, the usual - mode sense, drive cache, Attached SCSI disk |
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| 22:49.04 | unop | jelly-uk, http://pastebin.com/d2a279b9a |
| 22:49.05 | enouf | oh FAT FS errors? |
| 22:49.14 | unop | enouf, i've just messed up partiton tables :| |
| 22:49.30 | enouf | unop: your MPT you mean? see "gpart" |
| 22:49.36 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, intrestingly, pico -w does the same thing nano does |
| 22:49.47 | enouf | http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ |
| 22:49.57 | unop | enouf, made a mistake on a command, used the wrong device name /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb |
| 22:49.57 | _Sam-- | yes, i never claimed the -w in pico would do what you wanted -- initially, i didnt understand what you wanted, remember? |
| 22:50.02 | jelly-uk | enouf: it's packaged, too |
| 22:50.04 | Saz|Laptop | indeed |
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| 22:50.16 | Saz|Laptop | so now that we're both using pico, how do i get that desired effect |
| 22:50.17 | enouf | jelly-uk: whoa .. cool - thanks .. hrm |
| 22:50.24 | unop | jelly-uk, ok - what now? |
| 22:50.37 | unop | jelly-uk, btw, i appreciate your time and help |
| 22:50.41 | _Sam-- | by trying the same options -- man pico and look for the -r, or the meta l? |
| 22:50.56 | jelly-uk | unop: all right, now that nothing else is accessing the drive any more, you can make a copy! |
| 22:50.57 | enouf | doh |
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| 22:51.05 | enouf | !gpart |
| 22:51.05 | dpkg | hmm... gpart is a great tool to recover partition table when deleted some partitions by mistakes or overwrited the partition table... go get it at: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/gpart-0.1b.tar.gz, or more recent verstion at authors site: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/, or see also testdisk |
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| 22:51.36 | jelly-uk | !info gpart |
| 22:51.39 | dpkg | gpart: (Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1h-7 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 22:51.49 | enouf | jelly-uk: there a particular .. altighty then ;-) |
| 22:52.03 | enouf | er alrighty even :-P |
| 22:52.20 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, alt+L gives an unknown command, and -r 80, even -r 1 give the same output |
| 22:52.34 | jelly-uk | enouf: I won't suggest the user to write over the only copy... it's their own call if they want to mess it up even more |
| 22:52.36 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, I'll look closer at the manpage |
| 22:52.52 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : make a copy of your file first -- -then open it, and do ctrl-j |
| 22:53.09 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, oh no, not the justify command |
| 22:53.14 | enouf | judd: versions gpart |
| 22:53.14 | judd | enouf: gpart -- etch: 0.1h-4.1 lenny: 0.1h-4.1 sid: 0.1h-6 |
| 22:53.15 | Saz|Laptop | that makes a bunch of newlines |
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| 22:53.36 | _Sam-- | hrm not on mine. it makes my wrapped lines, become unwrapped and justified |
| 22:53.37 | jelly-uk | unop: gpart can often guess right, but do try to figure out/remember at least in rough how many partitions you had, and how large |
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| 22:53.44 | _Sam-- | but im on pico on a rhel box. |
| 22:53.53 | enouf | dpkg: gpart =~ s/partition table.../partition table - Now in Debian, install it the usual way .. or/ |
| 22:53.54 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 22:54.07 | enouf | jesus-phone: i concur - make copies first indeed |
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| 22:54.17 | unop | jelly-uk, it was one big partition filling the entire disk |
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| 22:54.33 | jelly-uk | unop: that's easy to recreate, then |
| 22:54.42 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, it appears that way, but what its actually doing is adding newlines to the end of the displable line |
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| 22:54.51 | enouf | well .. that you could just write an entry similar to a MBR to sector 63 .. |
| 22:55.02 | unop | jelly-uk, yea, i imagined - just wanted to take an opinion first |
| 22:55.15 | jelly-uk | enouf: yes... that's what *fdisk do |
| 22:55.33 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : not on mine. |
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| 22:55.40 | enouf | oh wait though - if FAT/FAT32 also sector 69 or somesuch .. but yeah, ok, fdisk it ;-) |
| 22:55.44 | _Sam-- | it takes the part after the $ and puts it on the line right below it. |
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| 22:55.49 | _Sam-- | in other words, it makes it wrap. |
| 22:55.54 | jelly-uk | unop: you have mine -- if you value your data, make a copy of the whole disk first |
| 22:55.57 | _Sam-- | but i have to be on the line or paragraph that i want to wrap. |
| 22:56.00 | _Sam-- | then hit ctrl j |
| 22:56.06 | unop | jelly-uk, i'll try and get another HDD tomorrow to make a copy |
| 22:56.07 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, thats what it does for me, but as an actual newline, if yours doesnt, then I'm at a loss |
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| 22:56.25 | enouf | unop: you have mine too - whether you like it or not :-P |
| 22:56.37 | unop | enouf, and mine would be that too :) |
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| 22:56.57 | unop | enouf, i value the data too much on this to risk a recovery without a contingency |
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| 22:57.35 | enouf | unop: i understand, however - FAT? O_o |
| 22:57.48 | unop | enouf, the original filesystem was ext3 |
| 22:57.50 | Saz|Laptop | but on the bright side,I don't have nano anymore and now have the clearly superior pico |
| 22:57.52 | siezer | how can I get debian-installer to use a specified mirror using boot arguments? |
| 22:58.07 | Saz|Laptop | so I guess some good came out of this |
| 22:58.09 | unop | enouf, i was trying to make a USB bootable disk to reinstall the OS on a netbook I bought today |
| 22:58.15 | enouf | unop: if you valued it that much, you'd already have archives, and even others off-site ;-) |
| 22:58.22 | enouf | unop: cool |
| 22:58.36 | unop | enouf, and messed up !! |
| 22:58.44 | enouf | unop: doh! |
| 22:58.44 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : i feel your pain man, i dont seem to have anything better to offer up. other than the 'less' or cat options i guess :/ |
| 22:58.48 | jelly-uk | unop: best to unplug this one until then; you might get lucky with gpart (or even a manual fdisk/cfdisk) followed by a e2fsck with -b option, but... |
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| 22:59.16 | enouf | unop: say hello to ddrescue/gddrescue ;-) |
| 22:59.20 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, or deal with vi |
| 22:59.29 | jelly-uk | unop: everything else failing, you can always take the intact copy to a professional data recovery service |
| 22:59.45 | unop | enouf, I have backups with friends - but the last backup was made a week ago |
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| 22:59.59 | Saz|Laptop | and i hate vi, you can screw up all your work by not pressing the right keys, need to exit without saving, and start over |
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| 23:00.12 | jelly-uk | there seem to be relatively cheap franchised data recovery labs even here in .hr |
| 23:00.22 | enouf | unop: blame abrotman :-P |
| 23:00.32 | jelly-uk | !blame enouf |
| 23:00.32 | dpkg | blames dogmeat and enouf for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 23:00.42 | unop | jelly-uk, i don't think it will amount to that - it was mostly my music collection (which i have on the ipod) and some ebooks |
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| 23:00.47 | dogmeat | ? |
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| 23:01.02 | enouf | oh crap, he must be en route .. somewhere ;-) |
| 23:01.07 | jelly-uk | dogmeat: you were hit by a smooth random number generator |
| 23:01.19 | jelly-uk | ignore it |
| 23:01.40 | enouf | i take all the blame dogmeat .. no worries |
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| 23:02.49 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : its somewhat disheartening that you, or i, cant make it work, since by default, pico claims the behaviour you want: |
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| 23:03.04 | _Sam-- | " When you approach the end of a line, and the word you are typing goes beyond pico's right margin, that word will automatically shift down to the next line." |
| 23:03.18 | jelly-uk | Saz|Laptop: vim has undo. |
| 23:03.21 | _Sam-- | i cant make anything i type shift to the next line -- it just keep going endlessly on the same line. |
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| 23:03.41 | unop | jelly-uk, thanks |
| 23:04.17 | _Sam-- | er, i lied...i didnt make another word. it does go to another line. |
| 23:04.18 | enouf | _Sam--: yo .. echo $TERM |
| 23:04.25 | jelly-uk | won't tell his $EDITOR, but it has a working automatic line wrap |
| 23:04.26 | enouf | liar! |
| 23:04.29 | enouf | :-p |
| 23:04.31 | _Sam-- | i was just holding down the 1 key and expcting it to go to a new line. |
| 23:05.05 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, yes, when typing |
| 23:05.11 | enouf | removes the leading underscore from _Sam-- 's nick as a penalty |
| 23:05.14 | jelly-uk | unop: cheers. best of luck |
| 23:05.33 | Saz|Laptop | that's pico/nano's wrapping |
| 23:05.52 | _Sam-- | yes. like usual, i wasnt thinking. |
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| 23:05.59 | _Sam-- | word wrapping....you have to have words. |
| 23:06.02 | PinkFreud | jelly-uk: ahh, must be an emacs user. |
| 23:06.03 | PinkFreud | ducks |
| 23:06.05 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 23:06.21 | jelly-uk | quack |
| 23:06.27 | PinkFreud | heheh |
| 23:06.38 | jelly-uk | \_o< |
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| 23:06.53 | jelly-uk | >o_/ |
| 23:06.59 | PinkFreud | big mouth on that duck. |
| 23:07.20 | CaT[t3] | I /so/ misread that. |
| 23:07.42 | PinkFreud | lol! |
| 23:08.22 | jelly-uk | CaT[t3]: good thing a Mr. Freud is already here to explain the misreading. |
| 23:08.33 | CaT[t3] | I await in fear :) |
| 23:08.40 | enouf | jelly-uk: hey! wrong foul! :-p |
| 23:08.42 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : a fix is: less file >> newfile |
| 23:08.48 | _Sam-- | then pico newfile |
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| 23:08.58 | CaT[t3] | less? |
| 23:09.04 | enouf | !turkeybaste jelly-uk |
| 23:09.04 | amphi | eh? |
| 23:09.04 | dpkg | rubs goooey stuff all over jelly-uk and sticks jelly-uk in the oven for a while. |
| 23:09.06 | CaT[t3] | why not cat or cp even? |
| 23:09.07 | PinkFreud | it has something to do with his mother, and a progressive band. |
| 23:09.10 | _Sam-- | cat doesnt work. |
| 23:09.14 | _Sam-- | it keeps the long lines. |
| 23:09.20 | PinkFreud | I'm not entirely sure how they fit in, though |
| 23:09.20 | CaT[t3] | ah |
| 23:09.21 | _Sam-- | (you need to understand the problem and context) |
| 23:09.30 | jelly-uk | _Sam--: you want "fmt" |
| 23:09.31 | enouf | ^fives themill for getting the bot syntax correct :-p |
| 23:10.36 | _Sam-- | yeah, i guess less might not work out so well if your file is more than 1 screen, im not sure. i only tested it on a file with 8 lines |
| 23:10.37 | jelly-uk | _Sam--: with less it depends on the options used (or preset with $LESS env. variable) |
| 23:10.39 | enouf | yeah .. amphi showed me fmt sometime ago ;-) |
| 23:11.09 | enouf | indeed - /me throws in an -R and a -I (or something) for good measure |
| 23:11.24 | jelly-uk | didn't even know less would do that if its stdout wasn't a terminal |
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| 23:14.01 | Saz|Laptop | [15:08] <_Sam--> Saz|Laptop : a fix is: less file >> newfile |
| 23:14.11 | Saz|Laptop | not really a viable solution when dealing with code |
| 23:14.23 | _Sam-- | not that unviable either -- just do that before you start editing. |
| 23:14.32 | _Sam-- | but if you'd rather live with $ or vi, thats your call. |
| 23:14.46 | _Sam-- | but i see what you're saying, too. |
| 23:15.18 | _Sam-- | just need to find a way to make those lines go back to -w like format when you were done editing. |
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| 23:16.50 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, or just have pico not make literal newlines |
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| 23:20.13 | chfwiggum | i have probs playing mkv-files since upgrading to 8.10-both kde4-amd and gnome-i386-also on my lenny-amd. is there more to know then installing libmatroska0? tia |
| 23:20.13 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop : this seems to be your exact problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405140 |
| 23:20.41 | htmlol | I was just burning a CD with k3b, and it stopped a little after halfway, giving the error "Cdrecord has no permission to open the device." |
| 23:20.51 | _Sam-- | "But if I open a file with a non-wrapped line, it stays non-wrapped, although any new line I type will get wrapped |
| 23:20.52 | _Sam-- | " |
| 23:21.27 | _Sam-- | "At least I can't find any information on internet. Using ALT+L I can switch between line wrapping enabled/disabled, but Nano doesn't rearrange the non-wrapped lines. |
| 23:21.28 | _Sam-- | " |
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| 23:21.48 | chfwiggum | htmlol: then ur user ought to be in the burners group |
| 23:21.54 | _Sam-- | i think unless you buy some nano dudes a few six packs of beer, you are probably at an impasse. |
| 23:21.57 | htmlol | it burned half the CD just fine |
| 23:22.03 | htmlol | and I've burned CD's before |
| 23:22.04 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, this seems to be the case |
| 23:22.05 | Germanaz0 | hello everybody |
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| 23:22.14 | Saz|Laptop | oh well, I'll stick with scping my files to notepad |
| 23:22.16 | htmlol | this is k3b's debug output: http://paste.debian.net/22337/ |
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| 23:22.29 | _Sam-- | Saz|Laptop: why not use samba and just mount the share to your windows box. |
| 23:22.40 | _Sam-- | would make the scp process obsolete, anyway. |
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| 23:22.46 | jelly-uk | is there no sshfs for windows? |
| 23:23.24 | Saz|Laptop | _Sam--, when I say notepad I meant "editor with builtin syncing support via scp" |
| 23:23.45 | _Sam-- | oh, you mean dreamweaver? :P |
| 23:23.52 | Saz|Laptop | no, i mean notepad++ :P |
| 23:24.00 | Saz|Laptop | god dreamweaver,dont make me gag |
| 23:24.04 | jelly-uk | notepad++++ |
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| 23:24.16 | jelly-uk | !notepad++++ |
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| 23:24.25 | jelly-uk | !karma notepad++ |
| 23:24.26 | dpkg | notepad++ has karma of 1 |
| 23:24.35 | amphi | heh |
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| 23:25.39 | jelly-uk | !ftbfs |
| 23:25.39 | dpkg | ftbfs is probably fails to build from source |
| 23:26.03 | htmlol | anybody have any ideas? :/ |
| 23:26.12 | jelly-uk | !any ideas |
| 23:26.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little thermal paste, and a dozen three-legged goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 23:26.49 | chfwiggum | htmlol: u may want to read ur own ouput. it says hardware error |
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| 23:27.54 | htmlol | I know...but I didn't know if there was anything else there |
| 23:28.10 | Germanaz0 | hi someone know how is the name of that gadget ? http://scr.softonic.com/s2/30000/30956/3_Snap115.jpg |
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| 23:28.47 | jelly-uk | Germanaz0: widget? |
| 23:29.29 | jelly-uk | Germanaz0: that thing on the top right? |
| 23:29.29 | Germanaz0 | uhu |
| 23:29.29 | jelly-uk | conky |
| 23:29.29 | bhundven | Germanaz0: looks like a gdesklet, apt-cache search gdesklet |
| 23:29.29 | jelly-uk | thinks |
| 23:29.29 | htmlol | yeah that's definitely conky |
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| 23:29.37 | Germanaz0 | lemme check :D |
| 23:29.59 | bhundven | another is adesklet |
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| 23:30.35 | jelly-uk | somethingdrawsonmyrootwindowlet |
| 23:30.36 | Germanaz0 | gdesklet is cute |
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| 23:30.47 | enouf | htmlol: well, cdrecord was replaced with wodim |
| 23:30.56 | Germanaz0 | adesklet too :D |
| 23:31.12 | enouf | htmlol: also, are you sure just the "verification" process didn't fail? |
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| 23:31.22 | jelly-uk | Germanaz0: see, this is what free software is all about! |
| 23:31.24 | htmlol | what do you mean by verification? |
| 23:31.36 | htmlol | in k3b settings, it has wodim set as the cdrecorder |
| 23:31.49 | Germanaz0 | idd jelly |
| 23:31.57 | Germanaz0 | ty for the info :D |
| 23:32.03 | enouf | that makes it take 2x as long to burn, so 50% would be a full burn, but not verified - if that option is selected |
| 23:32.48 | enouf | htmlol: you can make k3b save a log |
| 23:33.03 | enouf | that way you can see what failed where perhaps |
| 23:33.14 | htmlol | I thought that was the log that I posted...? |
| 23:33.34 | htmlol | I was having it burn at 10x, not the default speed. don't know if that has to do with anything |
| 23:33.37 | enouf | where? when? |
| 23:33.46 | enouf | gah |
| 23:34.06 | enouf | stops channel hopping so much |
| 23:34.10 | htmlol | hehe |
| 23:34.21 | htmlol | http://paste.debian.net/22337/ was the debug output |
| 23:34.50 | enouf | htmlol: AHEM! -> Kernel: 2.6.27-6.slh.4-sidux-686 |
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| 23:35.08 | htmlol | WAT |
| 23:35.20 | htmlol | wtf that's not true |
| 23:35.25 | enouf | !sidux |
| 23:35.25 | dpkg | methinks sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from http://sidux.com/Article2.html] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>). |
| 23:35.35 | htmlol | yeah, I used to use sidux... |
| 23:35.37 | htmlol | but not now |
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| 23:36.04 | enouf | dude - get your shit together, or stop posting old logs :-P |
| 23:36.28 | htmlol | grr |
| 23:36.42 | enouf | !turkeybaste htmlol |
| 23:36.42 | dpkg | rubs goooey stuff all over htmlol and sticks htmlol in the oven for a while. |
| 23:36.59 | htmlol | just in time for thanksgiving! |
| 23:37.07 | htmlol | gah, I must've uploaded the wrong log |
| 23:37.17 | htmlol | I really need to organize my debug folder... :( |
| 23:37.26 | enouf | amphi: i'm going to wear that one out within 2 days ;-) |
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| 23:38.59 | htmlol | well. I'm going to try burning again...if there's another error, I'll save my output to /tmp so it won't get lost. lol |
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| 23:42.21 | enouf | htmlol: as best i can even tell, maybe one of your .inf files is bad - but .. 448. Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0 <--doesn't look good (bad media maybe?) |
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| 23:43.38 | enouf | htmlol: eww .. you have one of these? HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4084N KQ09 ... ugh |
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| 23:44.20 | enouf | htmlol: have you noticed other issues with it? like constantly spinning up ... for no reason at all? |
| 23:44.29 | htmlol | then again, that -is- an old log, so it isn't the current problem. heh |
| 23:44.31 | htmlol | not at all |
| 23:44.37 | htmlol | that's a bad drive? heh |
| 23:44.46 | htmlol | it's just the one that came with this machine |
| 23:44.46 | enouf | htmlol: well - take a look at file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi |
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| 23:45.24 | enouf | htmlol: well - let's just say it's "problematic" ,.. and i see them everywhere in people's logs, etc.. ugh |
| 23:45.32 | htmlol | wow |
| 23:45.33 | htmlol | hah |
| 23:45.35 | htmlol | that's v |
| 23:45.38 | htmlol | erm |
| 23:45.41 | htmlol | that's interesting to know. |
| 23:45.52 | dutchfish | evening guys, what is the max number of usb devices the kernel can coop with? |
| 23:45.52 | htmlol | well this CD burned fine, so I'm good. heh |
| 23:46.28 | htmlol | and no, it doesn't spin at random times |
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| 23:47.02 | htmlol | however, it does come out of its socket all the time, and requires being pushed back in, and then a restart so it is sensed again - I imagine that's a source of many problems |
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| 23:52.25 | dutchfish | i want to connect multiple 4.3 inch screens through usb, maybe anyone knows the limit for the quantity? |
| 23:52.37 | dutchfish | kernelwise that is or X |
| 23:54.20 | PinkFreud | 4.3" screens? usb? |
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| 23:54.36 | dutchfish | PinkFreud, yes like those: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2008/10/48-inch-usb-screen-looks-cool.html |
| 23:54.51 | joneal | hi |
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| 23:55.01 | llimeht | dutchfish: nice toy :) |
| 23:55.19 | PinkFreud | interesting |
| 23:55.22 | dutchfish | i want ot use them if possible 12 pieces on one fat pc |
| 23:55.31 | dutchfish | s/ot/to |
| 23:55.41 | PinkFreud | dutchfish: My guess is your primary limit would be in power provided by the usb bus |
| 23:55.58 | dutchfish | PinkFreud, no, thats not the problem, i have powered usb hubs |
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| 23:56.15 | dutchfish | PinkFreud, hardware-wise i know i can pull that one off |
| 23:56.45 | PinkFreud | do you have an actual problem, then, or are you just asking if there's anything you should look out for? |
| 23:57.02 | dutchfish | PinkFreud, however i can not find any info on 12 screens (X or kernel ofr the usb) |
| 23:57.28 | PinkFreud | not surprising. not many have 12-display configurations. :) |
| 23:57.38 | dutchfish | PinkFreud, i am not asking for a guide, merely X can handle so much screen devices |
| 23:57.50 | PinkFreud | a bigger issue might be - does X support these at all? |
| 23:57.55 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 23:58.35 | PinkFreud | then I can't think of a reason you'd have trouble with 12. I don't know of any limits for certain, of course, but theoretically, X should be able to handle it. |
| 23:58.44 | PinkFreud | you might, however, want to ask the X.org folks. |
| 23:58.48 | dutchfish | ok |
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