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| 00:01.41 | andymd | k |
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| 00:03.50 | vn | hiya, whats the proper way to use mail to send a mail from a script within debian? seems to be different |
| 00:04.20 | vn | nvm got it |
| 00:04.25 | vn | thanks anyway :p |
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| 00:09.07 | dcnoye | i was editing a file with vim and got disconnected, how do i re-enter the vim session ? |
| 00:09.46 | llimeht | dcnoye: you can try vim -r filename |
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| 00:10.15 | dcnoye | llimeht: what is the -r mean ? |
| 00:10.21 | llimeht | recover |
| 00:10.51 | llimeht | also start a fresh vim session and look at ":help recovery" |
| 00:12.38 | dcnoye | thanks llimeht |
| 00:12.44 | llimeht | no worries |
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| 00:18.33 | Kobra | does anyone knows how can I change the command to restart x? |
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| 00:19.18 | dcnoye | Kobra: alias ? |
| 00:20.16 | Kobra | the control+alt+backspace combo |
| 00:20.23 | Kobra | i'd like to use a different one |
| 00:21.04 | bhundven | you can disable c+a+backspace |
| 00:21.13 | bhundven | check out 'man xorg.conf' and search for zap |
| 00:21.35 | bhundven | The option is: DontZap <bool> |
| 00:21.39 | bhundven | set it to true to disable |
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| 00:22.53 | bhundven | I don't know how you would change it though |
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| 00:24.06 | llimeht | Kobra: KDE can let you define a sequence for "logout without confirmation" |
| 00:25.59 | Kobra | i use gnome |
| 00:26.12 | Kobra | i don't want to disable, i'd like to change it |
| 00:26.21 | Kobra | use another combination |
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| 00:26.57 | PinkFreud | Kobra: I'd recommend checking the man page on xorg.conf then |
| 00:26.57 | Kobra | llimeht: can i do that in gnome? |
| 00:27.09 | llimeht | no idea. I use kde. |
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| 00:27.36 | Kobra | ok PinkFreud, i'll check it out |
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| 00:28.18 | bluethundr | I seem to be having authentication problems when testing my pop setup |
| 00:28.28 | bluethundr | I'm using courier with postfix and procmail |
| 00:28.45 | bluethundr | when i telnet into mail.mydomain.com 110 |
| 00:28.50 | bluethundr | I try to login |
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| 00:28.55 | bluethundr | and get the error |
| 00:28.57 | bluethundr | -ERR chdir Maildir failed |
| 00:29.09 | CaT[t3] | try sending yourself an email first. |
| 00:29.15 | legis | How can I find under what pkg is the 'wc' tool? |
| 00:29.25 | CaT[t3] | dpkg -S `which sc` |
| 00:29.25 | llimeht | dpkg: tell legis about search |
| 00:29.25 | dpkg | Package: `which sc`: Status: install ok installed |
| 00:29.34 | CaT[t3] | dpkg -S `which wc` |
| 00:29.34 | dpkg | Badgers ate my `which wc`! |
| 00:29.54 | CaT[t3] | you may need to operate on a badger first, though. |
| 00:30.07 | legis | thx |
| 00:31.32 | bluethundr | if I telnet into localhost 25 |
| 00:31.41 | bluethundr | and I issue ehlo localhost blah blah |
| 00:31.48 | bluethundr | I can apparently send mail anywhere I want |
| 00:31.58 | bluethundr | with rcpt to: me@anywhere.com |
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| 00:32.38 | aetheria_ | $ host mirrors.kernel.org |
| 00:32.40 | aetheria_ | Host mirrors.kernel.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 00:32.46 | aetheria_ | uh oh |
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| 00:33.01 | CaT[t3] | oopsies. |
| 00:33.01 | enouf | <htmlol> however, it does come out of its socket all the time, and requires being pushed back in, <== wtf? do you mean it's one of those non-tray slit only CD/DVD drives? and it ejects the CD/DVD randomly?? |
| 00:33.27 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: Maildir is a mailbox format. |
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| 00:33.39 | bluethundr | thanks |
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| 00:33.44 | enouf | htmlol: you should never need to reboot for issues like this, please consider reading those bug reports mentioned in the file i told you about |
| 00:33.58 | bluethundr | friend of mine thinks I seem to be missing my mail home directory |
| 00:34.02 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: Apparently, your POP3 configuration is expecting Maildir-style mailboxes, and isn't finding it for you. |
| 00:34.06 | bluethundr | but I am not sure where to create it or how |
| 00:34.24 | bluethundr | right, I think that's dead on |
| 00:34.38 | bluethundr | you seem to agree with my friend who was helping me figure this out |
| 00:34.38 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: the real question is - will your mail server deliver to Maildir? |
| 00:34.43 | PinkFreud | and is it configured to? |
| 00:34.46 | CaT[t3] | blue: try sending yourself an email first. |
| 00:35.05 | bluethundr | doesn't the rcpt to: command do that? |
| 00:35.07 | PinkFreud | if not, you should make sure your mail server and pop3 server are in agreement as to where to locate your mailbox :) |
| 00:35.23 | CaT[t3] | blue: delivery would do that. |
| 00:35.34 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: if you sent it to yourself, yes. |
| 00:35.34 | bluethundr | ah, cool |
| 00:35.51 | htmlol | enouf: it's a laptop drive |
| 00:35.57 | bluethundr | yes, I issued rcpt to: bluethundr@nylsd.com |
| 00:36.00 | bluethundr | and got a 250 ok |
| 00:36.14 | CaT[t3] | blue: that means it liked the address. |
| 00:36.19 | CaT[t3] | blue: no more no less |
| 00:36.20 | htmlol | enouf: from my experience, once the drive slips out, you have to reboot after you plug it back in, or it won't be sensed |
| 00:36.29 | bluethundr | ah I see |
| 00:36.37 | bluethundr | I'm new to postfix, my old MTA was exim |
| 00:36.49 | PinkFreud | postfix will deliver to Maildir |
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| 00:36.56 | PinkFreud | however, it needs to be told to do so. |
| 00:36.56 | bluethundr | to send mail i would issue exim -oqd bluethundr@nylsd.com |
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| 00:37.24 | bluethundr | that is exim -odq |
| 00:37.47 | Doctor-Steve_ | My next question would be.... is there any official Debian server edition? Like one that can start up all my services without having to login as a user ???? |
| 00:38.14 | PinkFreud | Doctor-Steve_: woah. easy on the punctuation. |
| 00:38.23 | helpme | what the name of that remote desktop client for gnome please? |
| 00:38.27 | bluethundr | I tried sending myself an email while I was at work |
| 00:38.31 | bluethundr | and from my gmail account |
| 00:38.32 | CaT[t3] | blue: debian is multipurpose. what it ends up doing depends onw hat you select to install |
| 00:38.34 | bluethundr | and didn't get a bounce |
| 00:38.41 | Doctor-Steve_ | PinkFreud, hehehe :P Any ideas? |
| 00:38.43 | CaT[t3] | doctor: debian is multipurpose. what it ends up doing depends onw hat you select to install |
| 00:39.09 | PinkFreud | helpme: tsclient is a frontend for rdesktop and vnc in gnome. |
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| 00:39.21 | helpme | NOPE, NOT IT |
| 00:39.25 | PinkFreud | Doctor-Steve_: what CaT[t3] said |
| 00:39.25 | helpme | oops |
| 00:39.35 | Doctor-Steve_ | CaT[t3], kk then, Im running Vmware on it, I have 3 Virtual Machines, what I ultimately want it to do is, start up, login and start up all 3 Vm's without any interaction from me |
| 00:39.37 | PinkFreud | helpme: then you'll need to be more specific |
| 00:39.38 | helpme | PinkFreud, what others are there? |
| 00:39.52 | CaT[t3] | doctor: then go forth and do so :) |
| 00:39.53 | helpme | dunno, i dont use gnome >< |
| 00:39.53 | llimeht | Doctor-Steve_: all debian installations start up lots of services without having to log in. /msg dpkg startup |
| 00:39.58 | htmlol | Doctor-Steve_: CaT[t3] is right... basically, all you have to do is install the right apps, and then tell them to start up when the system does (rcconf or what have you) |
| 00:40.00 | Doctor-Steve_ | CaT[t3], but i can settle for startup and run a .sh file without doing anything |
| 00:40.05 | PinkFreud | helpme: aptitude search 'remote desktop' |
| 00:40.11 | helpme | :\ |
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| 00:40.27 | Doctor-Steve_ | so how would i set it up to run hello.sh straight away without logging in? |
| 00:40.47 | bluethundr | so how would I create the Maildir that postfix seems to be expecting? |
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| 00:41.10 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: postfix does not appear to be expecting it. it's your pop3 server which is expecting maildir. |
| 00:41.20 | bluethundr | ahhhhhh |
| 00:41.30 | bluethundr | my pop3 server is courier |
| 00:41.34 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: Mail servers are complicated beasts. I highly recommend reading through the documentation for postfix to learn how to configure it. |
| 00:41.39 | helpme | PinkFreud, i dont see it, can you name a few please |
| 00:41.50 | PinkFreud | You'll also want to read through the documentation on how to configure your pop3 server. |
| 00:41.50 | bluethundr | sounds like good advice |
| 00:41.59 | llimeht | dpkg: tell Doctor-Steve_ about startup |
| 00:42.37 | PinkFreud | helpme: hmmm. try apt-cache search 'remote desktop'. Not sure why aptitude isn't accepting that search string. |
| 00:42.41 | PinkFreud | shrugs |
| 00:42.42 | helpme | found it |
| 00:42.45 | helpme | vinagre |
| 00:42.55 | helpme | PinkFreud, i was using apt-cache :) |
| 00:43.03 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 00:43.26 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: indeed it is. :) |
| 00:43.49 | llimeht | PinkFreud: aptitude search only looks at package names or package meta-data (not descriptions). |
| 00:43.56 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: you'll also want to make sure you don't accidentally allow the world to relay mail to arbitrary destinations, otherwise you'll quickly find yourself becoming the next great spam gateway. |
| 00:44.28 | bluethundr | I hear ya man |
| 00:44.35 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: and it's a hell of a lot easier to get *on* the various spam blacklists than it is off of them. :) |
| 00:44.47 | bluethundr | I certainly don't want to be an accessory to spam through my ineptitude. :) |
| 00:45.00 | bluethundr | you betcha! |
| 00:45.02 | PinkFreud | llimeht: ahhh. that'd be my mistake. |
| 00:45.06 | PinkFreud | thank you :) |
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| 00:45.30 | bluethundr | the courier documentation describes itself as "a royal mess" LOL |
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| 00:45.45 | PinkFreud | bluethundr: welcome to the wonderful world of mailservers. |
| 00:45.46 | PinkFreud | :) |
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| 00:46.35 | PinkFreud | and with that, I'm off for a bit. |
| 00:47.37 | bluethundr | I was following this guide |
| 00:47.42 | bluethundr | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto |
| 00:47.57 | llimeht | !tutorials |
| 00:47.58 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 00:48.41 | bluethundr | i hear ya dpkg |
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| 00:48.58 | Ac-town | Hey |
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| 00:49.30 | Ac-town | I have a SATA dvd drive and when i go to install debian it is saying it cant find the cdrom location. any ideas on where i should point it too? |
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| 00:54.59 | costal79 | hi there |
| 00:55.05 | costal79 | I need to know |
| 00:55.11 | costal79 | how often the file /etc/passwd- |
| 00:55.13 | costal79 | is updated |
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| 00:55.18 | costal79 | and under which conditions |
| 00:55.25 | costal79 | does anybody knows ? |
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| 00:56.44 | boggy` | costal79, it doesnt |
| 00:56.44 | notlim | hola alguien en espaƱol,para una consulta POR FAVOR |
| 00:56.51 | boggy` | it only updates when you add a user and group |
| 00:57.18 | boggy` | your answer is "never" |
| 00:57.20 | boggy` | heh |
| 00:57.29 | notlim | tengo instalado squid en mi maquina y funciona bien |
| 00:57.36 | costal79 | thanks boggy what about when you delete a user |
| 00:57.39 | costal79 | or change the home |
| 00:57.43 | costal79 | or the uid |
| 00:57.44 | notlim | el problema es cuando quiero enviar correos por outlook |
| 00:57.56 | costal79 | is there any place where I can find the original specification |
| 00:58.05 | costal79 | I don't wanna track it down in the code source |
| 00:58.06 | costal79 | :( |
| 00:58.36 | Tramp | !es |
| 00:58.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:07.40 | Ac-town | would there be anything i would need to load to tell debian that i have a sata disk dirve? |
| 01:07.42 | Ac-town | drive* |
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| 01:08.05 | campassi | I've never had a problem |
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| 01:08.13 | knap | Hi |
| 01:08.27 | Ac-town | its a sata dvd drive |
| 01:08.35 | campassi | yeah, should be fine. |
| 01:08.36 | Ac-town | and the net install does not like that |
| 01:08.59 | campassi | hrm. sounds like a problem |
| 01:09.43 | Ac-town | it askes me to locate it, so i pull up the command line and search for it, looked all in /dev/ |
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| 01:11.44 | enouf | Ac-town: you want a newer kernel likely, or .. which exact installer image are you using? |
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| 01:12.23 | Ac-town | lastest net amd64 image |
| 01:12.36 | enouf | Ac-town: you could try "install libata.atapi_enabled=1" ... but which Release? |
| 01:12.48 | Ac-town | http://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:13.02 | Firefishe | I have an Asus G50V-X1 laptop computer. I've downloaded a netinstall .iso image. It works okay, except when it gets to detecting my network, which I am plugged in to. Here is my lspci output: http://rafb.net/p/Jq8k4V92.html |
| 01:13.13 | enouf | Ac-town: also - which mode is your BIOS for SATA drives set to? PATA compatibility |
| 01:13.13 | Ac-town | enouf, where would i input that line into? |
| 01:13.15 | enouf | ? |
| 01:13.23 | enouf | Ac-town: at the boot: prompt |
| 01:13.27 | Ac-town | ok |
| 01:13.35 | Ac-town | i think it reads them as ide drives |
| 01:13.37 | Ac-town | new mobo |
| 01:13.41 | Firefishe | The gist is: It doesn't detect my network and autoconfigure with dhcp, when it's plugged in to ethernet. I am at a loss. |
| 01:13.41 | Ac-town | well, new box |
| 01:13.59 | enouf | Ac-town: also try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" |
| 01:14.15 | Ac-town | ok, should i disable pata compatibility/ |
| 01:14.24 | enouf | Ac-town: F1-F10 has some info about all i mention - but the installation guide does too |
| 01:14.29 | enouf | Ac-town: try it, yes |
| 01:14.38 | Ac-town | ok, im off to try it |
| 01:14.45 | enouf | Ac-town: one second |
| 01:14.47 | Ac-town | ok |
| 01:15.01 | Ac-town | should i use a ; so seperate the commands? |
| 01:15.29 | enouf | Ac-town: if after trying various ways - and it all still fails, grab the Lenny Beta Installer - Daily image |
| 01:15.39 | Ac-town | ok |
| 01:15.51 | enouf | Ac-town: each command i gave in quotes is to be given as 1 attempt |
| 01:15.56 | enouf | separately |
| 01:16.01 | Ac-town | ok |
| 01:16.19 | enouf | Ac-town: one second |
| 01:16.28 | enouf | Ac-town: one last thing |
| 01:16.30 | Ac-town | ok |
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| 01:17.22 | enouf | if under SATA in BIOS, you see [RAID] [IDE mode] and no separate [AHCI mode] select RAID mode, otherwise try ACHI mode enabled ... see linux-ata.org for more about all that |
| 01:17.45 | Ac-town | ok |
| 01:17.50 | Ac-town | brb |
| 01:18.57 | stoned | hello |
| 01:19.01 | stoned | enouf, hi |
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| 01:19.50 | enouf | stoned: ola amigo! .. happy turkey day eve! |
| 01:20.19 | stoned | you too buddy |
| 01:20.36 | Firefishe | happy turkey day eve (online) *duck* to everyone ;) |
| 01:21.00 | [a1] | enouf: turkey its today? |
| 01:21.11 | Firefishe | tomorrow |
| 01:21.14 | ron1n | hurro |
| 01:21.19 | enouf | !turkeybaste [a1] |
| 01:21.19 | dpkg | rubs goooey stuff all over [a1] and sticks [a1] in the oven for a while. |
| 01:21.29 | enouf | ;-P |
| 01:21.33 | stoned | uh |
| 01:21.36 | stoned | cannibalism. |
| 01:21.38 | stoned | sick. |
| 01:21.40 | Firefishe | my my, dpkg has many varied abilities ;) |
| 01:21.57 | Firefishe | brb |
| 01:22.03 | stoned | we're going into regression based testing for this new project |
| 01:22.13 | stoned | man I think I don't wanna do my job anymore |
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| 01:22.19 | stoned | I dunno i get bored with everything I do |
| 01:22.37 | stoned | I wanna not code but i wanna code, ya get it? |
| 01:22.39 | stoned | I don't get it. |
| 01:22.56 | pecar | hi sombebody know how to configure the sound card? |
| 01:23.04 | stoned | pecar, sure install alsa |
| 01:23.09 | stoned | pecar, btw, which audio card? |
| 01:23.15 | stoned | pecar, lspci should tell you |
| 01:23.21 | stoned | pecar, /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 01:26.02 | stoned | hm |
| 01:26.07 | Firefishe | I'm using the `netinst' business card install method of etch 4r5. I've successfully burned the cd but the thing just won't autoconfigure my network. My lspci output is here: http://rafb.net/p/Jq8k4V92.html . Please notice line 22. |
| 01:26.11 | pecar | intel 82801BA/BAM AC97 audio |
| 01:26.13 | stoned | enouf, I'm listening to a heavy metal song written when I was 3 years old |
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| 01:26.28 | stoned | pecar, aptitude install alsa, and then as root, sudo alsaconf |
| 01:26.36 | stoned | s/,/or |
| 01:26.36 | zigovr3 | hi all, any idea, why when with aptitude I mark some package to be "frozen", it still tries to update them ? |
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| 01:27.09 | zigovr3 | upgrade them rather |
| 01:27.12 | ringo999 | hi, anyone using lenny on macbook, did you get your isight/mic working? |
| 01:27.15 | pecar | stoned thanks a lot |
| 01:27.24 | stoned | autoconfigure does not detect/setup card |
| 01:27.26 | pecar | i ll try it now |
| 01:27.30 | stoned | it only autoconfigured network through the DHCP |
| 01:27.41 | stoned | thats what the autoconfigure part means |
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| 01:27.49 | stoned | the actual detection of the network hardware is not that step |
| 01:27.54 | stoned | its before that |
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| 01:28.05 | stoned | are you in the installer and failing on auto configure? just manually set it and move on |
| 01:28.11 | stoned | install debian and setup your networking later when its installed |
| 01:28.27 | Firefishe | k |
| 01:28.29 | stoned | so where exactly are you failing? do you not detect yoru card? |
| 01:28.30 | Firefishe | bbl |
| 01:28.38 | stoned | pecar, sure |
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| 01:28.48 | stoned | !alsa |
| 01:28.48 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:28.54 | stoned | ahh yes |
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| 01:29.09 | stoned | pecar, /msg dpkg alsa install, /msg dpkg alsa-checklit (in case your sound doesn't work after installing) |
| 01:30.12 | stoned | man I was gonna go back to louisiana for thanksgiving my my folks are comin here.. |
| 01:30.21 | stoned | now I have to clean my house/room/car |
| 01:30.30 | stoned | god damn it i thought thanksgiving was gonna be fun |
| 01:30.32 | stoned | :( |
| 01:30.50 | stoned | zigovr3, frozen? |
| 01:30.53 | stoned | zigovr3, you want hold |
| 01:30.56 | stoned | zigovr3, /msg dpkg hold |
| 01:31.16 | stoned | ringo999, you are using debianppc? |
| 01:31.22 | stoned | ringo999, /msg dpkg debianppc |
| 01:31.32 | stoned | or ppc , there is a specific channel for debian ppc users |
| 01:31.39 | stoned | has no exp with macbooks |
| 01:31.43 | zigovr3 | stoned: yes, I meant hold |
| 01:32.30 | zigovr3 | but if I do apt-get upgrade, it still try to upgrade the packages I marked as "frozen" in aptitude |
| 01:32.38 | stoned | 'held' |
| 01:32.40 | stoned | not frozen. |
| 01:32.48 | stoned | !hold |
| 01:32.49 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 01:32.58 | stoned | how are you holding the package |
| 01:33.06 | zigovr3 | ok, hold then (sorry I confuse the two) |
| 01:33.08 | stoned | when you get info on the package does it say its held? |
| 01:33.20 | ringo999 | stoned: now this is intel |
| 01:33.23 | zigovr3 | stoned: yes, there's a "h" beside the name |
| 01:33.39 | stoned | zigovr3, hm do you have a pin somewhere? apt pin |
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| 01:33.48 | zigovr3 | what is this ? |
| 01:33.50 | stoned | thats the only thing I know that can override a hold (I think) |
| 01:33.54 | stoned | if you don't know then nevermind |
| 01:34.08 | zigovr3 | I should mention that some of these package where installed manually from the .deb |
| 01:34.17 | stoned | zigovr3, ohhh thats probably it then I think |
| 01:34.20 | zigovr3 | but apparently now exists on the source |
| 01:34.28 | stoned | if the packages don't exist in the packages list of apt/aptitude |
| 01:34.29 | stoned | you can't hold it |
| 01:34.35 | stoned | afaik anyway |
| 01:34.36 | zigovr3 | I see |
| 01:35.01 | zigovr3 | maybe I could make my own (local) source ? |
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| 01:35.29 | stoned | ringo999, you have to more specific than that. Please ask a better question. |
| 01:35.42 | stoned | zigovr3, I wouldn't kknow how to get around that |
| 01:35.53 | stoned | sorry buddy |
| 01:36.01 | zigovr3 | np :) |
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| 01:36.19 | Piper69 | when doing make install i got ld: final link failed: No space left on device |
| 01:36.22 | Piper69 | wtf |
| 01:36.29 | zigovr3 | I'll try to create my own source of package and to put them in there , see if it improve things |
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| 01:36.51 | stoned | zigovr3, that won't work I think |
| 01:37.04 | stoned | zigovr3, by package list i mean the internal package cache list apt keeps |
| 01:37.04 | zigovr3 | oh , why wouldn't it ? |
| 01:37.17 | stoned | which it gets from the debian repositories |
| 01:37.26 | stoned | you mean you want to setup your own debian repo? |
| 01:37.31 | stoned | a local one? |
| 01:37.33 | zigovr3 | I mean, making my own repository |
| 01:37.40 | stoned | once again, i'm not sure, but it may work |
| 01:37.43 | zigovr3 | yes, with just these thrww packages |
| 01:37.45 | stoned | it might not, I'm not an expert on that |
| 01:37.49 | stoned | try it |
| 01:37.51 | zigovr3 | three* |
| 01:37.53 | stoned | got nothing to lose :) |
| 01:37.59 | zigovr3 | nope :) |
| 01:38.08 | zigovr3 | how easy is it to make a local repo ? |
| 01:38.12 | stoned | never made one |
| 01:38.16 | stoned | !apt-mirror |
| 01:38.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror for any apt source, look at http://apt-mirror.sf.net |
| 01:38.21 | stoned | hm |
| 01:38.25 | stoned | no, thats probably not it |
| 01:38.34 | stoned | I dunno man, wait for someone else's response |
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| 01:39.11 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto |
| 01:39.13 | stoned | here you go |
| 01:39.20 | stoned | I knew i had it one of my bookmarks somewhere |
| 01:39.50 | zigovr3 | thanks ! |
| 01:39.54 | stoned | sure |
| 01:41.32 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 01:41.32 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 01:41.40 | stoned | !dpkg.web.search |
| 01:41.40 | dpkg | i guess dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 01:42.52 | pecar | stoned thanks a lot |
| 01:43.11 | stoned | you're welcome |
| 01:43.26 | stoned | :) |
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| 01:43.48 | pecar | and now i installed flash plugin in firefox and didn't work do you know why? |
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| 01:43.57 | stoned | no idea |
| 01:44.05 | stoned | you have to be more specific, please ask a better question. |
| 01:44.19 | stoned | !ask |
| 01:44.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:44.32 | aninias | i have a raid 1 going right now, i just bought 2 more drives and i want to move to a raid 5. ive created the new md1 device with the two new drives and the 3rd as missing. is it safe to copy all of this data from md0 to md1 before adding the 3rd drive? |
| 01:44.48 | stoned | for a raid 5 |
| 01:44.49 | stoned | ? |
| 01:44.52 | aninias | yeah |
| 01:44.55 | stoned | sigh |
| 01:45.12 | adb | pecar: logout/ login ? |
| 01:45.21 | aninias | stoned: ? |
| 01:45.24 | stoned | aninias, its a raid 5... |
| 01:45.29 | stoned | do you know what a raid 5 is? |
| 01:45.35 | aninias | yes |
| 01:45.42 | stoned | ok |
| 01:45.49 | stoned | my job is done :) |
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| 01:45.56 | aninias | youre a moron |
| 01:46.02 | stoned | thank you. |
| 01:46.04 | pecar | yes several times and firefoxi mean iceweasel ask me for the plugin again |
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| 01:46.31 | aninias | stoned: was there something that confused you about the question? |
| 01:46.39 | stoned | no. |
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| 01:47.10 | aninias | alright then |
| 01:47.18 | aninias | does anyone else have an answer for me |
| 01:47.26 | stoned | as much as I know, the answer to your question is no. |
| 01:47.31 | pecar | adb several times but it ask me for the plugin again |
| 01:47.34 | stoned | but then again what do I know, I'm just a moron. |
| 01:47.48 | aninias | thats my guess |
| 01:48.06 | stoned | pecar, go to about:plugins in firefox |
| 01:48.10 | stoned | pecar, is flash listed? |
| 01:48.14 | aninias | ill let you know the answer in a bit |
| 01:48.20 | stoned | pecar, how did you install flash |
| 01:48.28 | pecar | stoned yes it's listed |
| 01:48.30 | stoned | aninias, I don't particularly care |
| 01:49.26 | aninias | you should probably know the correct answer instead of giving your worthless opinion |
| 01:49.30 | adb | pecar: locate libflashplayer.so |
| 01:49.35 | aninias | just in case someone asks again |
| 01:49.35 | pecar | stoned i download, decompress and flashplayer installer |
| 01:49.51 | pecar | adb yes and then? |
| 01:49.58 | Pavlz | i go to bed |
| 01:50.04 | adb | say what ? |
| 01:50.06 | Pavlz | good night |
| 01:50.09 | stoned | pecar, which debian release? |
| 01:50.18 | stoned | pecar, you know if you have etch your flash10 won't work |
| 01:50.19 | Pavlz | is late here in italy |
| 01:50.22 | enouf | aninias: you now have 2 drives in a raid1 and adding two makes 4 total and want to convert the whole shebang to raid5? |
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| 01:50.26 | pecar | etch 40r5 |
| 01:50.28 | Pavlz | i am downloading |
| 01:50.30 | stoned | enouf, THAT can be done. |
| 01:50.35 | adb | /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 01:50.53 | enouf | stoned: why thank you ... |
| 01:50.54 | aninias | enouf: no |
| 01:51.01 | enouf | dumbass :-P |
| 01:51.01 | Pavlz | from the mirror deutch |
| 01:51.03 | stoned | enouf, but what he wants, no it can't |
| 01:51.08 | stoned | enouf, and I'm apparantly a moron! |
| 01:51.11 | stoned | enouf, I had no idea |
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| 01:51.18 | Seb | what's the best way to add a static route ? |
| 01:51.31 | Pavlz | is 3:00 a.m. |
| 01:51.33 | Seb | interfaces(5) doesn't seem to support it |
| 01:51.35 | Wyzard | making a degraded 3-disk raid5 with the two new disks is completely possible |
| 01:51.35 | enouf | aninias: alrighty then |
| 01:51.43 | stoned | enouf, its like two days ago, I found out I was gay. Some guy in a bar told me. "FAGGOT! Watch your step!" was what he said |
| 01:51.52 | enouf | stoned: well, you're not the only one who doesn't get it .. |
| 01:51.52 | Wyzard | copy the data from the old raid1, then break the raid1 and add one of the disks to the raid5 so it isn't degraded anymore |
| 01:52.00 | stoned | enouf, how will I ever break this news to my folks... |
| 01:52.03 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 01:52.07 | enouf | stoned: ok ok .. let's move along now ;-) |
| 01:52.16 | aninias | Wyzard: thats what im doing |
| 01:52.36 | Ac-town | enouf, thanks the install generic.all_generic_ide=1 worked |
| 01:52.47 | enouf | aninias: any reason you don't want a raid10? other than not enough disks? |
| 01:52.51 | Wyzard | aninias: it's safe in the sense that there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but of course the raid5 is degraded so you lose your data if one of the new disks dies |
| 01:52.54 | enouf | Ac-town: sweet deal ;-) |
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| 01:53.11 | enouf | Ac-town: did you alter your BIOS settings for the SATA interface? |
| 01:53.14 | aninias | Wyzard: which still wont be too big of an issue because its still in a raid1 |
| 01:53.21 | aninias | so i figure im safe |
| 01:53.39 | Wyzard | aninias: but when you're done copying the data, you're going to break up the raid1 and add one of the new disks to the raid5, right? |
| 01:53.48 | Wyzard | aninias: You're at risk during that period of time while the third drive is syncing |
| 01:54.01 | aninias | not really, cause i still have the other half of the raid1 |
| 01:54.17 | aninias | i could rebuild it |
| 01:54.18 | enouf | Ac-town: i would think not if that particular command worked |
| 01:54.21 | Wyzard | aninias: ah, nevermind me, I was thinking of raid0 for some reason :-) |
| 01:54.25 | Wyzard | aninias: so yes, you should be fine |
| 01:54.33 | aninias | cool |
| 01:54.41 | enouf | Ac-town: ide_generic is basically a PATA mode thing .. |
| 01:54.42 | Wyzard | aninias: and once you have the 3-disk raid5 working, if you want to you can restripe it to add the fourth disk |
| 01:55.10 | aninias | thats the plan ;) |
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| 01:55.39 | Wyzard | aninias: btw, as a general recommendation, do a full SMART self-test (smartctl -t long /dev/foo) on new drives before using them for anything |
| 01:55.55 | aninias | k |
| 01:55.55 | Wyzard | Drives are most likely to die when they're new (since that's when manufacturing defects surface) |
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| 02:03.11 | pecar | bye thanks a lot i've to go |
| 02:03.36 | stoned | ok |
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| 02:06.35 | obcecado | hi, i just installed etch, and dist-upgraded to lenny, my wireless card (iwl4965) is recognized but i cannot use it, as i get network down |
| 02:06.42 | obcecado | any hints ? thanks in advance |
| 02:07.55 | Wyzard | obcecado: You need to install the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free |
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| 02:10.41 | obcecado | thank you, working properly now .-D |
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| 02:11.22 | theDoc | Hey all, anyone knows why if I try to reload X via ctrl+shift+backspace, all I get is an unresponsive blackscreen? |
| 02:11.28 | theDoc | or where can I even start looking at the logs? |
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| 02:15.00 | aninias | theDoc: because its crtl-alt-bkspace |
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| 02:15.52 | theDoc | aninias: Typo there by me |
| 02:16.06 | theDoc | No kidding, crtl+alt+backspace gives the same thing as well. |
| 02:16.08 | theDoc | Any idea on that? |
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| 02:16.23 | aninias | no, ive never run across that |
| 02:16.46 | theDoc | Anyone else? |
| 02:17.07 | aninias | are you using proprietary video drivers? |
| 02:17.22 | pab | I've experienced it but have no idea how to fix |
| 02:18.45 | theDoc | pab: You have a work around or something? |
| 02:18.53 | theDoc | aninias: It's an intel chipset |
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| 02:23.30 | kunwon1 | theDoc, I'd look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
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| 02:25.11 | theDoc | kunwon1: Everything looks ok in there tbh |
| 02:25.36 | kunwon1 | theDoc, if you want to pastebin them, others might be able to see something amiss. |
| 02:25.44 | kunwon1 | I don't have any other suggestions. |
| 02:26.09 | theDoc | kunwon1: Yeah, I'll get to that in abit, I'm installing gdm atm |
| 02:26.13 | theDoc | at the recommendation of someone |
| 02:26.42 | kunwon1 | not having gdm might cause some issues |
| 02:26.53 | kunwon1 | presuming you're using the vanilla desktop |
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| 02:27.53 | theDoc | kunwon1: No, there's no desktop either. It's bare standard install |
| 02:27.59 | theDoc | kunwon1: I just have flux as my WM |
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| 02:37.41 | repw | so i am trying to copy some files over a filesystem, and for some reason its not letting me copy files that are empty. so i figure it should be a simple bash command to echo "#" >> every.txt file in a folder |
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| 02:38.05 | repw | but i dont know what tools i would require, could someone assist me with some time and explaining to me what i might need to make a thing like that? |
| 02:38.40 | SnoFox | Help. D: Youtube refuses to fullscreen correctly, while other sites like Youtube seem to fullscreen fine. (Running Debian Lenny and using Firefox + Flash 9) |
| 02:38.59 | SnoFox | And that message looks totally screwed up on my screen. :o |
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| 02:40.12 | amphi | repw: for i in *.txt; do echo '#' > "$i"; done |
| 02:40.23 | repw | hey :( you gave me the awnser :( |
| 02:40.44 | repw | could you explain that for me |
| 02:40.51 | repw | for ? is that a shell command or bash speciffic? |
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| 02:41.08 | repw | so for is a loop then |
| 02:41.14 | amphi | right |
| 02:41.26 | repw | what does in mean |
| 02:41.33 | SnoFox | I actually have a couple screenshots; http://fox.thruhere.net/public/dang-flash.png & http://fox.thruhere.net/public/flash-better.png |
| 02:41.33 | repw | loop variable named i |
| 02:41.33 | dondelelcaro | SnoFox: i actually suggest using youtube-dl+xine or mplayer or similar |
| 02:42.15 | repw | amphi: if i wanna learn this how do i learn it? |
| 02:42.26 | amphi | !abs |
| 02:42.26 | dpkg | abs is, like, a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see http://www.ping.be/bertin/abs.shtml. Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on linuxdoc.org, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 02:42.29 | repw | amphi: i mean what is this called, these commands, what are they a part of |
| 02:42.33 | SnoFox | dondelelcaro, I'd perfer to stream my video in the browser like the other half of the world. I don't want to have seperate programs to browse every website. |
| 02:42.38 | repw | yes i have read that one though |
| 02:43.03 | amphi | repw: sounds like you could read it again? |
| 02:43.26 | repw | amphi: worked great |
| 02:43.44 | repw | amphi: yes i wil ldo that, thank you very much |
| 02:43.52 | amphi | repw: welcome |
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| 02:47.45 | Ac-town | is kde4 supported in lastest? |
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| 02:49.18 | Craigevil | most of kde4 is still in experimental |
| 02:49.21 | enouf | Ac-town: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 02:49.45 | enouf | Craigevil: hey .. what's with the capital C? |
| 02:50.08 | Craigevil | on my eee for some reason and using chatzilla |
| 02:50.20 | Ac-town | y |
| 02:50.23 | Ac-town | damn |
| 02:50.27 | Ac-town | wrong window |
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| 02:51.09 | enouf | Craigevil: ouch - you're a firepoop user? :-p |
| 02:51.36 | enouf | craigevil-eee: much better ;-) |
| 02:51.43 | amphi | and on an eee, the poor little thing |
| 02:52.01 | craigevil-eee | wify is using the desktop |
| 02:52.59 | craigevil-eee | i like my eee, with lenny+lxde it flies, 20 second boot time |
| 02:53.15 | craigevil-eee | once you get used to the kb it isnt so bad |
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| 02:55.05 | beia_ | i need driver for nvida nforce ethernet, but no to install and yes to need nvidia.ko on /drivers/net because my ltsp on boot need this drive |
| 02:55.16 | beia_ | where i download this file? |
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| 02:55.34 | amphi | craigevil-eee: which model is it? |
| 02:55.55 | craigevil-eee | the tiny 701 |
| 02:57.30 | beia_ | !ltsp |
| 02:57.31 | dpkg | ltsp is, like, the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org, or http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP, or #ltsp on irc.freenode.net |
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| 02:59.22 | beia_ | i need help |
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| 03:00.59 | lubosz | hi |
| 03:01.12 | lubosz | i don't have a /etc/init.d/update-motd, but its linked in /etc/rc2.d, is this bad? |
| 03:01.18 | lubosz | but the binary seems to be there: /usr/sbin/update-motd |
| 03:02.47 | Ac-town | lubosz, yeah, that should be fine |
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| 03:03.15 | lubosz | so i can delete the symlink? |
| 03:03.23 | lubosz | the /etc/motd dir does not exist either |
| 03:03.40 | lubosz | i'm cleaning up my runlevels |
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| 03:04.47 | Firefishe | I have a debian kernel question |
| 03:05.04 | roue | beia_ you could custom compile the kernel for your LTSP clients to include that driver. |
| 03:05.46 | roue | I have a debian kernel answer. |
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| 03:06.56 | Firefishe | I need to know the difference between these two kernel images. I've got an asus g50v laptop that needs the realtek drivers for the ethernet controller. The images are: linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-10_i386.deb *and* linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-10_amd64.deb |
| 03:07.24 | poseidon | Do you think that colleges will give any credit to me if I put on my application that I have contributed to various openSource (and closed source) projects? |
| 03:07.36 | poseidon | I want to major in CS |
| 03:07.52 | Firefishe | poseidon: It would be best, in this case, if you had professional references from the various project managers. |
| 03:08.50 | Firefishe | poseidon: And a portfolio of achievements attained in each project, as well as a list of what, specfically, you achieved. Languages learned, oop methods used, etc. All could help. I'm sure you can think of more. |
| 03:09.22 | Firefishe | Having a reference from a math professor would be a plus, as well. |
| 03:09.25 | roue | Firefishe didn't you ask this same question a few hours ago? |
| 03:09.47 | roue | one is 64 bit and the other is 32. |
| 03:09.57 | roue | you probably want the i386 32 bit kernel. |
| 03:10.00 | Firefishe | no |
| 03:10.10 | Firefishe | look at the names. amd64 is in both of them |
| 03:10.15 | Firefishe | it's confusing me. |
| 03:10.40 | roue | you don't have to make sense of the rational behind the naming convention. |
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| 03:10.51 | Firefishe | I have a 64bit T5750 intel dual-core cpu, so I'm really wanting a 64bit kernel. |
| 03:11.15 | roue | why do you want 64 bit? Ya need a good reason, otherwise it's a PITA. |
| 03:11.43 | roue | (speaking as someone who runs 64 bit on my thinkpad...) |
| 03:12.13 | Firefishe | roue: To *experiment* with, of course. Anyway, that i386 file, is that the 32bit x.x.26 kernel version, and the amd64 (on the trailing part of the file name) the 64bit version of same? |
| 03:12.28 | roue | right. |
| 03:13.02 | Firefishe | okay. that should do it. I already d/l the i386 version, so all I need now, apparently, is the 64-bit. Still, the naming conventions don't make any sense to me. |
| 03:13.28 | Firefishe | I have now a very basic install of etch r3, running a very limited install of xfce, just to make it a bit easier. |
| 03:13.47 | Firefishe | as it is, I want to upgrade to lenny while the install is still small |
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| 03:14.18 | roue | ya, they don't really have to. But -- one word of warning. You may or may not have the 64bit libs already installed. When I installed it was from the 64bit deb iso images. That came with lib and lib32 . If you're running 32bit now, you may still be running 32bit userspace even with a 64 kernel. |
| 03:14.51 | Firefishe | hmmmmm |
| 03:14.52 | roue | Firefishe do you have a /usr/lib32 directory? |
| 03:14.54 | Firefishe | that could be a pita |
| 03:15.09 | Firefishe | roue: I have to check the laptop....one sec |
| 03:15.27 | roue | on my 64bit lenny install /usr/lib is the 64bit libset. |
| 03:16.24 | roue | also, if you want to run flash under a firefox binary (they only offer 32 bit builds) you'll need to install a whole bunch of extra 32 bit libs by hand. similarly, you'll need 32 bit java for applets. |
| 03:17.05 | roue | You can build ff yourself for 64bit and maybe iceweasle on 64bit is that. |
| 03:17.18 | roue | But I usually stick with the mozilla builds. |
| 03:17.21 | Firefishe | roue: no, I don't |
| 03:17.30 | roue | you don't have /usr/lib32 |
| 03:17.31 | roue | ? |
| 03:17.34 | Firefishe | no |
| 03:17.50 | roue | then if you've got your heart set on 64 bit I'd reinstall from an amd64 iso image. |
| 03:18.05 | Firefishe | roue: k |
| 03:18.17 | roue | though I never looked to see if there was an easy way to switch from 32 to 64, it would surprise me. |
| 03:18.18 | Firefishe | I guess I can live with 32bit userspace for a while |
| 03:18.52 | Firefishe | I guess I'll have to d/l one of the smaller netinstall packages for 64bit userspace. |
| 03:19.19 | pipeline | Firefishe: 32 bit userspace, 64 bit kernel is where it's at |
| 03:19.41 | roue | Firefishe but really, unless you're coding something that can take advantage of 64 bit there's really little advantage at this point. You won't notice a difference except that some stuff won't work as easily. |
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| 03:20.07 | Firefishe | roue: I see |
| 03:20.10 | joesmoje | where can i find fsck.mdraid? apt-file search comes up empty |
| 03:20.11 | roue | (somestuff being flash) |
| 03:21.00 | Firefishe | pipeline: then I guess I'll do that. I really need the kernel for the modules (drivers). Specifically, I need the ath9k module for my wi-fi card, and the realtek driver for my ethernet port |
| 03:21.44 | roue | pipeline what does that get you? |
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| 03:23.24 | Firefishe | pipeline: does the 64bit kernel/32bit userspace have some advantages/ |
| 03:23.27 | Firefishe | ? rather |
| 03:23.47 | Firefishe | roue: do you anticipate I might have some problems? |
| 03:24.57 | roue | Firefishe with 64 kernel / 32 user ? no, probably not, but I haven't tried it. 64 kernel / 64 user, some software distributed as binary (like flash) will require you to track down dependencies to manually install in your /usr/lib32 |
| 03:25.38 | Firefishe | ah |
| 03:25.54 | PinkFreud | one can get the best of both worlds, though. |
| 03:26.13 | roue | PinkFreud 32bit chroot? |
| 03:26.21 | PinkFreud | I personally run a 64 bit kernel/userland with a 32 bit chroot (managed by the 'schroot' package). |
| 03:26.43 | roue | PinkFreud that also looked like a bit of a PITA. |
| 03:26.49 | PinkFreud | with union mounting, firefox will happily use it's profile in my home directory. |
| 03:27.04 | PinkFreud | roue: it took a little bit of work, but it wasn't quaite as bad as it looks at first. |
| 03:27.07 | PinkFreud | er, quite. |
| 03:27.14 | PinkFreud | my typing has gone to hell tonight. |
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| 03:27.30 | Firefishe | PinkFreud: That is an elegant approach. Any problems with it? |
| 03:27.35 | roue | PinkFreud I looked at that for a while too, but in the end it seemed easier to just put the libs in /usr/lib32 |
| 03:27.35 | pipeline | Firefishe, roue : you don't have to use PAE... i.e. significant performance boost for systems with >4G of RAM |
| 03:27.48 | pipeline | Firefishe, roue : of course it also permits you to have a 64 bit chroot if you needed it |
| 03:27.48 | PinkFreud | Firefishe: I haven't had any so far. |
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| 03:28.12 | pipeline | Firefishe, roue : the thing is most software is written on and tested for i386... I only keep a 64 bit chroot that has the barest minimum required to build kernel module packages :) |
| 03:28.23 | PinkFreud | roue: it might be. However, I also use my schroots for building custom packages (like kernels, or modules) for 32 bit systems. |
| 03:28.32 | roue | ah |
| 03:28.43 | pipeline | Firefishe, roue : i386 permits 36 bit addressing to get >4G of RAM, but there's a significant performance hit, and you really want to avoid PAE if you can :( |
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| 03:29.20 | PinkFreud | pipeline: sadly, that's difficult to do with the debian Xen packages |
| 03:29.23 | Firefishe | pae is what again? |
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| 03:29.33 | PinkFreud | Firefishe: Physical Address Extensions |
| 03:29.36 | roue | allows 32 bit to see extended memory |
| 03:29.36 | pipeline | PinkFreud: ugh xen -_- |
| 03:30.13 | pipeline | PinkFreud: open source xen is pretty useless: lousy management tools |
| 03:30.13 | roue | I've been using kvm to run 32bit hosts without issue. |
| 03:30.13 | PinkFreud | Firefishe: as pipeline just said, it allows x86 to address > 4G of memory |
| 03:30.13 | pipeline | PinkFreud: if you don't buy the citrix product, you'll be hosed for administrative overheard |
| 03:30.13 | roue | (under 64 lenny). works well. |
| 03:30.13 | pipeline | PinkFreud, Firefishe : x86 can already address >4G of RAM, there's just a huge performance hit. 64 bit removes that. |
| 03:30.25 | PinkFreud | pipeline: I've been running Debian domUs on PIIIs for the past year or two |
| 03:30.33 | PinkFreud | they do work nicely. |
| 03:30.34 | pipeline | PinkFreud: you poor SOB |
| 03:30.42 | roue | pipeline is it that 32 bit processes can only address 2g under a 64 bit kernel? |
| 03:30.45 | PinkFreud | hehe |
| 03:31.16 | PinkFreud | the pv domUs do run quite well, even on PIII hardware. |
| 03:31.26 | PinkFreud | I have to say that I'm impressed |
| 03:31.32 | pipeline | roue: well, it varies |
| 03:31.43 | pipeline | roue: but 32 bit processes are always limited to 4G of total address space, no matter what |
| 03:31.46 | pipeline | roue: 64 bit kernel or not |
| 03:31.55 | PinkFreud | the box I'm ircing from is also a Xen domU, converted from a physical box. |
| 03:32.34 | Firefishe | roue, pipeline, PinkFreud: Here's what I have now. Asus G50V (roue knows this already). Just did a basic install of etch r3 (as I have the 3 dvd set). The 2.6.18 kernel I'm currently using works, but ethernet and wi-fi is trashed at this point. I need the Atheros ath9k module (driver) and the realtek module (driver). dpkg says only the 2.6.27 kernel has it built-in, though. |
| 03:32.36 | roue | pipeline do all 32 bit processes share the same 4g block or is it just "any 4g block" ? |
| 03:32.37 | Firefishe | So what do I do at this point? |
| 03:32.42 | PinkFreud | sadly, Xen proves to be easiest to have virtual machines start on boot. |
| 03:32.58 | pipeline | roue: every process in unix has its own address space |
| 03:33.04 | pipeline | roue: that's true of every unix system ever anywhere |
| 03:33.13 | pipeline | roue: there can be any amount of memory backing that... |
| 03:33.24 | PinkFreud | Firefishe: that module may not work on 2.6.18. that's a fairly old kernel. |
| 03:33.41 | PinkFreud | the only way you're going to find out is to try to compile it yourself. |
| 03:33.43 | roue | pipeline, that's not what I mean -- rather, if you have 6g of physical memory, a 32 bit process isn't limited to gigs 1-4, it could address 2-6 |
| 03:33.49 | pipeline | roue: sure |
| 03:33.56 | PinkFreud | otherwise, you'll need to upgrade to a modern kernel. |
| 03:34.03 | pipeline | roue: or it could be addressing 1-1.5, 2.83-2.95, and some space on disk |
| 03:34.14 | roue | okay, thanks for the confirmation. |
| 03:34.18 | pipeline | roue: linux is a paged memory system; memory space can be broken down in all kinds of weird and wild ways |
| 03:34.34 | PinkFreud | roue: you can always try to compile one of the newer debian kernels yourself, or you can debianize a plain vanilla kernel |
| 03:34.35 | Firefishe | PinkFreud: Well, there is a x.x.26 kernel that might work. Also, that kernel may also be more easily patched. Patching is something I will need to address. |
| 03:34.36 | pipeline | roue: to the process, it always looks like 4G of linear memory in a nice neat row |
| 03:34.52 | pipeline | roue: in reality it could be 8 kb of memory |
| 03:35.02 | pipeline | roue: or 64 kb of memory in eight different segments |
| 03:35.13 | roue | I do compile my own kernels (based on the debian .config). I'm running 2.6.27.5 |
| 03:35.43 | PinkFreud | roue: then, in theory, you should be able to use the module. |
| 03:35.54 | roue | It's Firefishe who needs the module :) |
| 03:35.59 | PinkFreud | errrrr |
| 03:36.05 | Firefishe | roue: I've never done that. Where can I read up about it. That would solve my problems, and I'd be able to limit the kernel to only my running hardware. It'd be nice to have a streamlined kernel for a change. |
| 03:36.10 | PinkFreud | crap. memory errors. |
| 03:36.13 | PinkFreud | reboots his brain. |
| 03:36.19 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 03:38.24 | Firefishe | PinkFreud: Here are the kernels I'm considering: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-10_i386.deb *and* linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common-openvz_2.6.26-10_amd64.deb |
| 03:38.29 | roue | Firefishe download the latest kernel from kernel.org. Download the debian kernel source package and extract the .config file in the kernel source tree. Copy the debian .config file to the unpacked virgin kernel source. "make oldconfig ; make bzImage ; make modules ; make modules_install ; update-initramfs -k the_kernel_version -c ; edit /boot/grub/menu.conf to point at the new kernel. |
| 03:38.29 | PinkFreud | http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian - it's old, but the steps it outlines should still work |
| 03:38.42 | roue | at least, that's how I do it. |
| 03:38.45 | PinkFreud | as always, YMMV, and RTFM. :) |
| 03:38.53 | roue | there is probably a debian blessed create a new kernel package way too :) |
| 03:40.48 | Firefishe | roue: k...I wrote that down |
| 03:40.58 | Firefishe | copy/pasted, whatever ;) |
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| 03:41.29 | roue | when you finish the make oldconfig part, do a "make menuconfig" . That will let you find and enable the drivers for your hardware. |
| 03:41.49 | Firefishe | or make xconfig, what-have-you, eh? |
| 03:41.55 | roue | right |
| 03:42.08 | roue | I use the curses interface from habit. |
| 03:42.12 | SnoFox | How could I mount a partition via Terminal to show up in computer:/// ? |
| 03:42.13 | Firefishe | I'll append that |
| 03:42.52 | Firefishe | jk |
| 03:42.56 | Firefishe | k |
| 03:43.00 | Firefishe | can't type either |
| 03:43.08 | roue | ah, and once the kernel is built you probably want to cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-kernel-version-amd64 |
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| 03:43.29 | roue | since that's the actual kernel grub's menu.conf will be wanting. |
| 03:43.32 | Firefishe | and the system.map? |
| 03:43.36 | roue | yes, that too. |
| 03:43.59 | Firefishe | where will I find the system.map file again? It's been ages since I did this. |
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| 03:44.15 | roue | at the root of the kernel build directory |
| 03:44.32 | Firefishe | and that should be copied to /boot/grub ? |
| 03:44.37 | roue | to /boot/ |
| 03:44.41 | Firefishe | boot...k |
| 03:44.48 | roue | then edit /boot/grub/menu.list to point at it. |
| 03:45.02 | roue | there will be examples in that file for your already available kernels. it's simple to adapt one. |
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| 03:45.25 | roue | plus you won't be overwriting anything, so if there's a problem you can just boot into the older one. |
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| 03:45.55 | Firefishe | yes, but after the vmlinuz-image and the system.map copy-over, shouldn't a simple grub-install do the rest? |
| 03:46.59 | roue | Firefishe never tried that. |
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| 03:47.35 | roue | ah, no. I don't think so. you already have grub installed. you have to tell it where to find your new kernel / initramfs / system.map |
| 03:47.45 | roue | look at the menu.list file, it's very simple |
| 03:47.58 | Firefishe | You know, I think if I can get the kernel source for 2.6.x, I can probably just get the module source and build the modules for the hardware I need. I only need the two. |
| 03:48.00 | roue | (specifically the very bottom of it where the kernels are listed) |
| 03:48.10 | Firefishe | yes...I've looked at the file. |
| 03:48.15 | Firefishe | I'll play around with it |
| 03:48.19 | roue | good luck. |
| 03:48.29 | Firefishe | thank you, for your help and advice. |
| 03:48.47 | Firefishe | incidentally, regarding repositories. |
| 03:48.47 | roue | glad to help |
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| 03:49.29 | Firefishe | roue: I've asked this before in days past, again, with no answer. Is there a way to make synaptic available with a list of selectable repositories, either via a config file or a custom build? |
| 03:50.06 | roue | Firefishe, dunno. I use dselect / apt-get instead and generally don't go beyond the standard debian repositories. |
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| 03:50.21 | vipersniper | what's the command to connect to sftp with PublickkeyAuthenication |
| 03:50.25 | Firefishe | I know how to edit sources.list, I just keep forgetting where to find the repository text-syntax lists |
| 03:50.26 | roue | but you might look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:50.55 | Piper69 | i am doing a fresh install of etch, it is stuck at 5% of the "Delect and install software screen"? Help |
| 03:51.02 | roue | vipersniper it should just work that way if you have your keys set up properly. |
| 03:51.16 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 03:51.17 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 03:51.36 | enouf | !5% |
| 03:51.36 | dpkg | 0.05 |
| 03:51.41 | enouf | heh |
| 03:51.42 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: why a fresh install? did the kernel update yesterday blow up? |
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| 03:52.42 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: actually no, i was able to compile and run 2.6.25.1 , but guess what i don't know how on earth i partitioned / as 255MB |
| 03:52.56 | onetinsoldier | oh |
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| 03:53.12 | starke | hello |
| 03:53.23 | onetinsoldier | hello starke |
| 03:53.31 | starke | i have an mp3 probelm |
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| 03:53.40 | roue | the first step is admitting you have an addition |
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| 03:53.47 | starke | it downds like ony half of the file is being played |
| 03:54.07 | starke | it sounds like only half of the file is being played |
| 03:54.08 | roue | starke what downloads half of which mp3 from where? |
| 03:54.14 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: so what do you think the problem is |
| 03:54.27 | roue | starke the left half or the right half? beginning or end? |
| 03:54.37 | starke | cant tell |
| 03:54.49 | roue | that's very vague. |
| 03:54.55 | starke | but when i put sound into mono it sounds even worse |
| 03:55.11 | roue | have you considered it might be your taste in music at fault? :P |
| 03:55.34 | starke | hey |
| 03:55.34 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: i don't know. i would need to get a little more caught up on what you've got going on there |
| 03:55.37 | roue | or the mp3's bitrate. |
| 03:55.38 | starke | korn isnt bad |
| 03:55.42 | roue | bwaa. |
| 03:56.02 | starke | but i discovered the problem when trying to listen to carlin radio |
| 03:56.11 | roue | what's carlin radio? |
| 03:56.11 | starke | erm shoutcast |
| 03:56.26 | roue | it could sound like crap because it's distributed at a low bitrate. |
| 03:56.30 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: you are installing from scratch.. so on this new install you are trying you have / partitioned to a 255MB size? |
| 03:56.33 | starke | a shoutcast station were they play nothing but george carlin |
| 03:56.46 | roue | what's the url I'll tell you the bitrate. |
| 03:56.57 | starke | i know its not the bitrate |
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| 03:57.03 | roue | how do you know? |
| 03:57.21 | starke | because i was listening to it yesterday without a probelm |
| 03:57.27 | starke | problem* |
| 03:57.38 | roue | they don't have to maintain the same bitrate all the time. |
| 03:57.52 | roue | if load spikes they might choose to reduce it. |
| 03:58.00 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: no sir, the old install had 255mb for /. this is a fresh install and i used the whole 80GB for / this time, however i am in the "Select and install software screen" and it is stuck in 5% |
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| 03:58.21 | roue | or maybe the cat yanked your aux cable out a little. |
| 03:58.25 | roue | or chewed on it. |
| 03:58.26 | starke | roue its not the bitrate |
| 03:58.35 | starke | or the cable |
| 03:58.35 | roue | You seem certain. |
| 03:58.41 | starke | i am certain |
| 03:58.50 | roue | certainty can lead to blindness. |
| 03:59.00 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: ok, copy that. although not absolutely necessary, i recommend making multiple partitions. anyway... |
| 03:59.20 | roue | but what else could it be? did you blow out your speakers / headphones? |
| 03:59.33 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: you have anything against installing lenny? the other say a fwellow was having trouble instlling etch and i asked him the same question |
| 03:59.33 | roue | did your sound card mixer settings get changed? |
| 03:59.46 | starke | how do i check that |
| 03:59.52 | roue | alsamixer |
| 04:00.01 | starke | i dont use alsa |
| 04:00.04 | starke | i use oss |
| 04:00.05 | roue | what do you use? |
| 04:00.05 | onetinsoldier | he said nope. i will try lenny, and bang.. his problems with installing disappeared |
| 04:00.15 | roue | dunno what the equivalent mixer is for oss. |
| 04:00.24 | Piper69 | lenny is still testing no! |
| 04:00.29 | starke | but flac plays fin |
| 04:00.31 | starke | fine* |
| 04:00.32 | roue | I use lenny all the time. |
| 04:00.44 | starke | weres carl/ |
| 04:00.46 | roue | it's terrific. |
| 04:01.03 | roue | starke then it sounds like your source is of a lower quality. |
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| 04:01.26 | roue | so that's either the bitrate or someone is deliberating making a high bitrate stream sound like crap to fuck with you. |
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| 04:01.54 | roue | or maybe someone hacked your box and replaced your liblame with a joke version. |
| 04:01.58 | starke | but mp3s on my computer also play like crap |
| 04:02.23 | roue | same computer? |
| 04:02.28 | starke | yes |
| 04:02.36 | roue | all mp3s sound bad, wherein once they sounded terrific? |
| 04:02.41 | roue | yesterday in fact? |
| 04:02.44 | starke | yes |
| 04:02.54 | roue | when did you last hear a good sounding flac? |
| 04:03.17 | Firefishe | roue: Umm...that last time my wifey gave me some? *duck* |
| 04:03.26 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: it gets hung on aptitude -o APT::Status-Fd=4 -o APT::Keep-Fds=5 -o |
| 04:03.27 | roue | ba dump bump. |
| 04:03.40 | Firefishe | roue: I couldn't resist ;) hee |
| 04:03.50 | roue | yer whipped my friend. :P |
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| 04:04.14 | Firefishe | roue: She doesn't really, I just couldn't let the punportunity go undone ;) hee |
| 04:04.37 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: i have no idea. fd might mean file descriptor.. that's all i (might)know |
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| 04:06.52 | sylarrr | I cant find gtk2-doc |
| 04:07.20 | sylarrr | or any -doc for gtk |
| 04:07.24 | sylarrr | except python |
| 04:07.33 | sylarrr | #&@&&#!!!! |
| 04:07.44 | Dominicus | Can anyone tell me of a good reference for finding a good VPN client to install so I can connect to my university's network? The vpn server accepts connections from microsoft window VPN connections. Other than that I have the username, password, and server address. |
| 04:08.26 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: if it's doing pppoe or similar, that's pretty typical |
| 04:09.13 | Firefishe | roue, PinkFreud, pipeline: Thanks for all the help. Time to see if these images--either one--will make my system work a little better. If anything, I should be able to get the wireless working. |
| 04:09.34 | Firefishe | I think the ath9k module was included with .25 and up |
| 04:09.41 | Firefishe | so I may get lucky |
| 04:09.42 | onetinsoldier | sylarrr: libgtk2.0-doc is available in lenny |
| 04:10.11 | Firefishe | bye for now |
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| 04:10.16 | Dominicus | dondelelcaro: I'm really not sure what it does, all I know is that i connect to it via a very basic vpn connection setup in windows xp. i want to be able to replicate that in Debian. =) |
| 04:12.36 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: it's probably PPTP then or similar; but the administrators of the vpn should be able to tell you that |
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| 04:14.56 | Dominicus | dondelelcaro: LOL... They have a fun, we only support windows an mac policy, despite them running debian servers. LOL |
| 04:15.22 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: if the servers are Debian, then it's probably PPTP; try it out, and see if it works |
| 04:15.32 | kenjy_ | guys chkrootkit its showing me this: Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 465) |
| 04:15.36 | kenjy_ | can you help me? |
| 04:15.46 | dondelelcaro | kenjy_: run netstat -plunt; |
| 04:15.54 | dondelelcaro | kenjy_: and see what's running on port 465 |
| 04:16.12 | kenjy_ | dondelelcaro: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:465 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2455/exim |
| 04:16.21 | dondelelcaro | well, that's nothing exciting |
| 04:16.49 | dondelelcaro | kenjy_: telnet localhost 465; and make sure that it's actually exim running there |
| 04:17.37 | kenjy_ | dondelelcaro: how can I check if it is exim? |
| 04:17.51 | kenjy_ | dondelelcaro: telnet localhost 465 shows this: Connected to localhost. |
| 04:17.52 | kenjy_ | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 04:18.47 | kenjy_ | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/B4Z22C12.html please check this |
| 04:19.34 | enouf | lsof -i -n ? |
| 04:19.42 | sylarrr | onetinsoldier, thanks |
| 04:19.48 | onetinsoldier | sylarrr: yw |
| 04:20.12 | sylarrr | :) |
| 04:20.35 | roue | kenjy_ lsof -i :465 |
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| 04:21.20 | kenjy_ | roue: smbd 2502 root 20u IPv6 6177 TCP *:microsoft-ds (LISTEN) |
| 04:21.33 | roue | looks like samba to me. |
| 04:21.42 | kenjy_ | roue: called exim? |
| 04:22.06 | roue | dunno why it says exim. |
| 04:22.12 | roue | do you mean to run samba? |
| 04:23.01 | dondelelcaro | huh? :microsoft-ds is 445, not 465 |
| 04:23.09 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro: what's the best way to install a perl module with cpan? |
| 04:23.24 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: generally you don't want to; use the Debian packaged ones |
| 04:23.46 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: if it's not packaged, dh-make-perl --install --build --cpan Foo::Bar; |
| 04:23.53 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: ok, I did a search on the packages for Data::Compare and came up empty |
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| 04:24.15 | roue | dondelelcaro that's why he's probably been rooted :) |
| 04:24.18 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: it's libdata-compare-perl |
| 04:24.22 | dondelelcaro | roue: nah, I think he typoed |
| 04:24.26 | stevedondley | let me try the search again, that should be a common module? |
| 04:24.43 | stevedondley | ok |
| 04:24.48 | stevedondley | libdata-compare-perl, got it |
| 04:24.51 | stevedondley | thanks, bro |
| 04:24.54 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: most modules that are Foo::Bar are called libfoo-bar-perl; np |
| 04:24.57 | roue | kenjy_ did you do 445 or 465? |
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| 04:25.01 | dondelelcaro | (though there are exceptions) |
| 04:25.15 | dondelelcaro | roue: and lsof in this case should be exactly equivalent to netstat -plunt |
| 04:25.16 | kenjy_ | roue: what do you mean with "did" I don't do any port :S |
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| 04:25.39 | roue | when you executed the lsof command was it for 465 or 445 ? |
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| 04:26.28 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: I'm dusting off the cobwebs on my perl skills |
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| 04:27.11 | lee__ | hello, I was wondering if I might be able to get some help, I am running Ubunut, but befor you say I am on the wrong system :) I have been runnning debain lenny, only I can't get my wifi to work, yet Ububtu 8.10 is debian based, I was wondering if any one might have some sugestions as to how or where I can get my drivers to work in lenny? |
| 04:27.41 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: cool |
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| 04:27.46 | lee__ | eh that is to say, my wifi is working in Ubuntu |
| 04:28.07 | dondelelcaro | lee__: which wireless card is it? |
| 04:28.07 | lee__ | but lenny , can't seem to figure it out |
| 04:28.19 | dondelelcaro | lee__: lspci; if you're not sure |
| 04:28.26 | lee__ | ok ty |
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| 04:29.22 | lee__ | came up with a boat load |
| 04:30.14 | lee__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.58 | lee__ | eh er, um its brand name is , linksys |
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| 04:32.01 | lee__ | dondelecaro, did you get all that? |
| 04:33.02 | roue | lee__ I think you need ndiswrapper see: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/broadcom-bcm4318-wireless-adapter-wont-work...-623501/ |
| 04:33.10 | lee__ | ah ok |
| 04:33.30 | roue | that probably means downloading the win32 driver as well. |
| 04:34.08 | dondelelcaro | lee__: ok, your problem is almost certainly that you don't have the firmware installed |
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| 04:34.42 | justcholo | help |
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| 04:35.07 | dondelelcaro | lee__: you want to install b43-fwcutter, which is a package in contrib; you'll have to add contrib to your sources.list if it isn't there already. /msg dpkg b43 |
| 04:35.41 | lee__ | ah ok..hold on saving that infor to a chip for when I reload |
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| 04:37.03 | lee__ | OK thanks I'll see you all after I cross over :) |
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| 04:38.24 | Bangers | Is my version of Debian 64bit? (I need to know if it'll support 8GB memory) |
| 04:38.26 | Bangers | Linux build 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 21:31:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:39.03 | lee__ | sure is wierd how one OS loads and another doesn't . but Debian is more stable for me :) |
| 04:39.12 | enouf | Bangers: that kernel version is not |
| 04:39.17 | liable | Bangers: no, but there is big-mem kernels available |
| 04:39.17 | lee__ | eh loads the driver thatis |
| 04:39.23 | enouf | Bangers: file /bin/ls |
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| 04:40.23 | enouf | Bangers: if you need more than 4G RAM support in 32bit (i386 arch) you want a "2.6.x.x-bigmem" kernel |
| 04:41.10 | enouf | sends liable a few turkeys ;-) |
| 04:41.56 | liable | we have enough in our parliament.. ;) |
| 04:42.14 | enouf | haha ... touchĆĀ© |
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| 04:46.09 | Piper69 | liable: how are you man.. its been long time sine i last talked to you :) |
| 04:46.17 | Piper69 | !apt-key |
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| 04:46.39 | Piper69 | !apt-key 6070d31 |
| 04:46.40 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070d31 ; gpg --export 6070d31 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 04:47.34 | liable | Piper69: doing well, plodding along. havent been in here much though. |
| 04:47.41 | kenjy_ | guys I have two machines with fedora, and both shows this: Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 465) how can I know if that message its true? (its the output of chkrootkit) please help me |
| 04:48.10 | liable | kenjy_: google chkrootkit false positives |
| 04:48.23 | kenjy_ | liable: false positive? |
| 04:48.34 | liable | it probably is |
| 04:48.35 | kenjy_ | liable: how do you know if it is a false positive? |
| 04:48.38 | Piper69 | liable: me too , i think last time you helped me was 2006 |
| 04:48.42 | roue | kenjy_ also, kill samba and rescan. |
| 04:49.00 | Piper69 | liable: anywho, good to see you back here |
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| 04:49.03 | Piper69 | :) |
| 04:49.05 | liable | Piper69: you making me feel old ;) |
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| 04:49.10 | jaggz | my dog ate a relatively rough stiff piece of dry leaf and complained in pain |
| 04:49.14 | roue | kenjy_ he means chkrootkit may be misidentifying the port as malware. |
| 04:49.19 | jaggz | what can you feed him to break down the cellulose? |
| 04:49.22 | roue | er. |
| 04:49.24 | Piper69 | liable: hahahahah. |
| 04:49.27 | roue | maybe that was obvious |
| 04:49.42 | roue | kenjy_ do you intend to be running samba? |
| 04:49.48 | liable | isnt 465 dovecot? |
| 04:49.57 | liable | or a mail port anyway.. |
| 04:50.17 | liable | yeah, smtps |
| 04:50.38 | kenjy_ | roue: I have samba installed but samba is not listtening on 465 |
| 04:50.39 | roue | his lsof -i :465 identified the bin as smb |
| 04:50.54 | kenjy_ | roue: [root@fenix .ssh]# netstat -plunt |grep 465 |
| 04:50.55 | roue | kenjy_ what did lsof -i :465 report back? |
| 04:50.56 | kenjy_ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:465 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2455/exim |
| 04:50.56 | kenjy_ | tcp 0 0 :::465 :::* LISTEN 2455/exim |
| 04:51.55 | liable | kenjy_: just type the exact chkrootkit output into google |
| 04:52.08 | kenjy_ | roue: and liable COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 04:52.08 | kenjy_ | exim 15219 exim 5u IPv6 402289 TCP *:urd (LISTEN) |
| 04:52.09 | kenjy_ | exim 15219 exim 6u IPv4 402290 TCP *:urd (LISTEN) |
| 04:52.14 | huhlig-eeepc | is there a log for hal |
| 04:52.19 | huhlig-eeepc | it refuses to start |
| 04:52.35 | liable | huhlig-eeepc: daemon.log maybe? |
| 04:52.35 | huhlig-eeepc | and its keeping several packages from installing |
| 04:52.52 | roue | ah, last time you pasted smb . |
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| 04:53.06 | cantona | hi |
| 04:53.15 | onetinsoldier | anyone here using the ati fglrx driver and have console framebuffer going? |
| 04:53.16 | cantona | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.23 | cantona | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.24 | huhlig-eeepc | liable, nothing in there |
| 04:53.55 | liable | huhlig-eeepc: try 'bash -x /etc/init.d/hald start' |
| 04:54.11 | liable | o_0 |
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| 04:54.33 | roue | dats rude criten_ |
| 04:54.47 | liable | childishly funny though :) |
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| 04:55.07 | roue | eh. its why linux users stay dateless |
| 04:55.34 | liable | rubbish |
| 04:56.10 | sylarrr | why sun-java-doc is not in devhelp? and where is it? |
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| 04:56.18 | roue | when was te last time criten_ had a date? |
| 04:56.53 | liable | i dont know, nor care. and i dont intend to discuss it further.. :P |
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| 04:57.08 | roue | no fun. |
| 04:57.48 | huhlig-eeepc | liable, it just stops when running hald |
| 04:57.51 | huhlig-eeepc | no error |
| 04:58.05 | liable | huhlig-eeepc: does it show in ps ? |
| 04:58.21 | huhlig-eeepc | nope |
| 04:58.32 | liable | huhlig-eeepc: check bts first i spose |
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| 05:03.06 | onetinsoldier | anyone here using the ati fglrx driver and have console framebuffer going? |
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| 05:04.23 | neoice | someone mind refreshing me on the debian way to grab sources? |
| 05:04.25 | liable | onetinsoldier: try #ati |
| 05:04.30 | aetheria_ | onetinsoldier:~$ yes |
| 05:04.35 | liable | neoice: apt-source |
| 05:04.45 | liable | erm |
| 05:04.52 | neoice | thats not installed by default? |
| 05:04.54 | liable | apt-get source |
| 05:04.57 | neoice | ah |
| 05:05.00 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: hey! cool.. works good? hard to set up? my system is pretty bare bones right now |
| 05:05.02 | neoice | its not under aptitude |
| 05:05.12 | aetheria_ | onetinsoldier:~$ works fine |
| 05:05.19 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: sweet |
| 05:05.26 | liable | no. aptitude probably has some obscure switch for it though |
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| 05:05.50 | aetheria_ | onetinsoldier:~$ i use vga=838 |
| 05:06.08 | onetinsoldier | and what res is that? |
| 05:06.21 | aetheria_ | super-duper high |
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| 05:07.13 | starke | roue, it was my headphones |
| 05:07.26 | roue | starke Good, I think :) |
| 05:07.27 | starke | ......... |
| 05:07.31 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: rgr. my lcd native res is 1600x1200. i'll find out if there's a vga for that res. i just need to get it going, of course |
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| 05:07.36 | starke | friggin logitechs |
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| 05:08.02 | aetheria_ | 1920x1200 here |
| 05:08.11 | aetheria_ | but 838 is lower than that |
| 05:08.23 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: i see. so i am prett certain there would be one for 1600x1200 then |
| 05:08.30 | onetinsoldier | pretty* |
| 05:08.40 | onetinsoldier | ty for the info |
| 05:08.55 | neoice | debian vim7 doesnt have python omnicomplete? |
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| 05:12.51 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: oh.. i see |
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| 05:15.54 | liable | huhlig-eeepc: is kde hanging at startup? |
| 05:16.00 | huhlig-eeepc | no |
| 05:16.05 | huhlig-eeepc | I just did the upgrade |
| 05:16.13 | huhlig-eeepc | it wont complete the kdebase update |
| 05:16.18 | huhlig-eeepc | until its installed |
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| 05:16.23 | liable | oh |
| 05:16.44 | huhlig-eeepc | I dont have my primary box available to fix this if it breaks |
| 05:16.50 | huhlig-eeepc | as I am 200 miles from home |
| 05:17.10 | huhlig-eeepc | hence why I am a little hesatant to reboot until I get the packages in |
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| 05:18.30 | liable | hald wont stop it from booting. you will at least have VT's available |
| 05:18.49 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: Is the system you're updating local or remote? |
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| 05:18.59 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, local |
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| 05:19.04 | huhlig-eeepc | its what I am chattng on now |
| 05:19.15 | huhlig-eeepc | hence the wierd letter omissions |
| 05:19.15 | liable | its an eee, not likely server hardware :) |
| 05:19.29 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: You should be able to boot even w/ hal fubarred, at the very least toconsole mode. |
| 05:19.34 | huhlig-eeepc | well I use my eee as a compile server sometimes |
| 05:19.41 | liable | eek |
| 05:19.42 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, true |
| 05:19.44 | karsten | liable: You'd be surprised what's served as server kit ;-) |
| 05:20.09 | liable | karsten: not by you i doubt i would be surprised ;) |
| 05:20.19 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: When you needan excuse not to goon adate ("I'll be fre as soon as I finish recompiling openoffice.org..."). |
| 05:20.42 | liable | i compiled some wireless drivers on my 701, took 3 hours |
| 05:20.53 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, hahah, I am engaged to be married |
| 05:21.09 | huhlig-eeepc | If I dont want to go on a date I just say my fiancee wouldnt like it |
| 05:21.10 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: I just looked into the channel, I've read yoru /lastlog. What's the hangup on the update? |
| 05:21.23 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: All the more reason to delay going out on dates with strange women ;-) |
| 05:21.26 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, hald wont start |
| 05:21.33 | huhlig-eeepc | which is holding up kdebase |
| 05:21.53 | liable | is hald due to be upgraded? |
| 05:22.04 | huhlig-eeepc | yea |
| 05:22.16 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: Yeah. In the init script, tryrunning hald under strace, and log stderr to a file. |
| 05:22.17 | huhlig-eeepc | required for kdebase for some reason |
| 05:22.20 | liable | so kill the dist-upgrade, and implicetely upgrade hald |
| 05:22.23 | huhlig-eeepc | ok |
| 05:22.27 | karsten | has a balky spacebar. |
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| 05:22.29 | huhlig-eeepc | liable, tried |
| 05:22.35 | huhlig-eeepc | it still dies |
| 05:22.44 | huhlig-eeepc | did full purge and reinstall |
| 05:22.44 | liable | it still doesnt start? |
| 05:22.50 | huhlig-eeepc | still dies |
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| 05:23.48 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: The 'bash -x" should echo commands as they're being run. Can you pastebin that output? |
| 05:24.13 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, it dies on the start-stop-daemon |
| 05:24.18 | huhlig-eeepc | nothing interesting |
| 05:24.28 | huhlig-eeepc | doing strace now |
| 05:24.36 | liable | can you start it without start-stop-daemon? |
| 05:24.53 | huhlig-eeepc | liable, testing now under strace |
| 05:25.17 | huhlig-eeepc | select(4, [3], NULL, [3], {250, 0}) = ? ERESTARTNOHAND (To be restarted) |
| 05:25.17 | huhlig-eeepc | --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 05:25.35 | karsten | thought start-stop-daemon was ashell script. It's now an ELF executable. |
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| 05:25.43 | huhlig-eeepc | then a sigreturn and exit |
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| 05:25.59 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, It changed a while back |
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| 05:26.13 | huhlig-eeepc | dont ask me why |
| 05:26.16 | liable | downgrade it if you still have the old one in cache and put it on hold |
| 05:26.28 | liable | and file a bug |
| 05:26.31 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: Yeah, that damned change thing gets me every time. |
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| 05:26.55 | huhlig-eeepc | liable, ok, I cant seem to find a valid version |
| 05:27.28 | liable | try the oldest version you have in cache |
| 05:27.40 | liable | unless you cleaned it out.. |
| 05:27.58 | huhlig-eeepc | on this thing |
| 05:28.03 | huhlig-eeepc | I keep my cache cean |
| 05:28.05 | huhlig-eeepc | clean |
| 05:28.09 | huhlig-eeepc | I onl have 4 gig |
| 05:28.20 | liable | yeah, i know its a problem on the 701 |
| 05:28.56 | karsten | Any chance there's an older vershion still on the FTP mirror underpool? |
| 05:29.01 | huhlig-eeepc | sighs as he is running out of versions |
| 05:29.03 | huhlig-eeepc | hmm |
| 05:29.08 | karsten | s/underpool/under pool/ |
| 05:29.10 | huhlig-eeepc | checks |
| 05:29.40 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: lftp is a nice client for checking stuff like that. |
| 05:30.52 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: is there an existing pidfile for hald? |
| 05:30.55 | dondelelcaro | or you could just check s.d.n |
| 05:31.07 | karsten | s.d.n.? |
| 05:31.10 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, lemmie check |
| 05:31.20 | liable | finds it terribly confusing to get an actual download link from sdn |
| 05:31.35 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Oh. Snapshot. Right. |
| 05:31.38 | huhlig-eeepc | no pidfile |
| 05:31.51 | huhlig-eeepc | and strace dies on select |
| 05:31.58 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: OK, just an idea, reading s-s-d manpage. |
| 05:32.08 | huhlig-eeepc | and strace dies on select/ |
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| 05:32.11 | huhlig-eeepc | ack |
| 05:32.15 | huhlig-eeepc | ssd? |
| 05:32.27 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: Is it start-stop-daemon which isfailing or hald? |
| 05:32.33 | karsten | ssd == start-stop-daemon |
| 05:32.34 | liable | huhlig-eeepc: your drive isnt full is it? |
| 05:32.44 | huhlig-eeepc | liable, nope 2 gb free |
| 05:32.47 | liable | k |
| 05:32.54 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: inodes? |
| 05:32.58 | karsten | goes longshot. |
| 05:33.05 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, what about them |
| 05:33.15 | huhlig-eeepc | hello dondelelcaro |
| 05:33.20 | huhlig-eeepc | long time no see |
| 05:33.29 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: df -i # showsinode utilization on afielsystem |
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| 05:33.52 | liable | hands karsten a hammer for his space bar |
| 05:34.10 | karsten | liable: serves me right for using an iBook. |
| 05:34.10 | huhlig-eeepc | 167k used and 315k free |
| 05:34.26 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: OK. As I said, a long shot. |
| 05:34.41 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: There's a '--test' option to start-stop-daemon which might show what it's actually doing. |
| 05:34.48 | liable | prolly only allowed to use it between apple approved words ;) |
| 05:34.51 | huhlig-eeepc | ok.. |
| 05:34.52 | karsten | I can't scroll back to that strace output... |
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| 05:35.11 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, its dieing on the seect |
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| 05:35.14 | huhlig-eeepc | select |
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| 05:35.52 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: Which process? |
| 05:35.57 | huhlig-eeepc | hald |
| 05:36.05 | huhlig-eeepc | runs strace hald |
| 05:36.18 | huhlig-eeepc | sets up its select |
| 05:36.23 | huhlig-eeepc | and dies during it |
| 05:37.01 | karsten | OK. I'm no C programmer, but that's hald trying to set up its basic I/O streams: stdin, stdout, stderr? |
| 05:37.06 | huhlig-eeepc | select(4, [3], NULL, [3], {190, 108000}) = ? ERESTARTNOHAND (To be restarted) |
| 05:37.15 | huhlig-eeepc | child exits |
| 05:37.25 | huhlig-eeepc | gets a sigchild |
| 05:37.33 | huhlig-eeepc | calls sigreturn and exit |
| 05:37.34 | liable | karsten: wouldnt that be fopen? |
| 05:37.39 | karsten | WTF is ERESTARTNOHAND? |
| 05:37.41 | huhlig-eeepc | select is a poll |
| 05:37.49 | huhlig-eeepc | not a setup |
| 05:37.54 | karsten | liable: I'm just reading select(2) |
| 05:37.57 | huhlig-eeepc | I assume this is creating child processes |
| 05:38.08 | huhlig-eeepc | and talking to the primary process through a socket |
| 05:38.27 | huhlig-eeepc | one of the children is crashing |
| 05:38.34 | huhlig-eeepc | and daddy dies because of it |
| 05:38.38 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: What are your /tmp permissions? |
| 05:38.54 | karsten | Should be 1777. |
| 05:39.05 | huhlig-eeepc | yeo |
| 05:39.07 | huhlig-eeepc | yep |
| 05:39.10 | huhlig-eeepc | 1777 |
| 05:40.02 | karsten | runs "man hand" and feels slightly dirty.... |
| 05:41.01 | huhlig-eeepc | hand? |
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| 05:42.06 | karsten | doh... |
| 05:43.22 | liable | hehe |
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| 05:44.51 | huhlig-eeepc | mrrr? |
| 05:45.09 | karsten | notes that this box doesn't have hald installed.... |
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| 05:49.47 | karsten | ... and that refers to the Debian box the iBook is ssh'd to, just for those keeping score. |
| 05:51.26 | huhlig-eeepc | hmm |
| 05:51.36 | huhlig-eeepc | so how do I get this working |
| 05:52.07 | huhlig-eeepc | or at least make it so I can upgrade the rest of the packages |
| 05:52.13 | huhlig-eeepc | then come back to hald |
| 05:52.38 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: What is it that hald is hanging up? |
| 05:52.39 | liable | put a return 0 in the hald init script |
| 05:53.03 | liable | ugly, but it might let you upgrade the rest |
| 05:53.06 | karsten | ... yeah, I was headed down that road. As first executable line of the script. Remove it later. |
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| 05:56.03 | huhlig-eeepc | hmm |
| 05:56.04 | huhlig-eeepc | ok |
| 05:56.07 | huhlig-eeepc | might as well |
| 05:58.06 | huhlig-eeepc | well that worked scarily well |
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| 05:58.58 | karsten | huhlig-eeepc: It's an inelegant but time-honored workaround. |
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| 05:59.09 | huhlig-eeepc | karsten, heh |
| 05:59.16 | huhlig-eeepc | now how to make hal work |
| 05:59.16 | machine1 | ok why did i choose debian etch? |
| 05:59.24 | onetinsoldier | machine1: ? |
| 05:59.26 | mns | ,volatile |
| 05:59.39 | machine1 | well, i guess it doesnt matter |
| 05:59.41 | sylarrr | where does the sun-java-doc package shows? |
| 05:59.43 | mns | machine1: because it gives you a good, stable system ? :) |
| 05:59.49 | onetinsoldier | machine1: what were you wanting? |
| 05:59.56 | machine1 | but i was at the bookstore and i couldnt find a book on debian |
| 06:00.05 | machine1 | it was all ubunty |
| 06:00.07 | machine1 | u |
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| 06:00.24 | mns | machine1, it sill applies to Debian. Ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 06:00.42 | machine1 | onetinsoldier: i am running web application development environment. i use a lot of drupal |
| 06:00.50 | mns | plus there's the debian wiki to help you bride the gap. |
| 06:00.55 | huhlig-eeepc | machine1, drupal works on debian |
| 06:00.57 | huhlig-eeepc | easily |
| 06:01.02 | machine1 | drupal rules |
| 06:01.09 | mns | very easily indeed. |
| 06:01.16 | onetinsoldier | machine1: ok, although i have no idea what drupal is.. hehe. |
| 06:01.26 | mns | how do I get dpkg to tell me some information ? |
| 06:01.27 | machine1 | debian was my choice because it seems stable and it is conservative |
| 06:01.45 | machine1 | conservative leadership |
| 06:01.50 | huhlig-eeepc | machine1, install php5 |
| 06:01.54 | huhlig-eeepc | install apache |
| 06:02.02 | huhlig-eeepc | install drupal |
| 06:02.03 | onetinsoldier | i do see that 'drupal6' is available for installation tho.. and i read the very short description on it |
| 06:02.03 | huhlig-eeepc | done |
| 06:02.20 | huhlig-eeepc | use the latest stable drupal source |
| 06:02.24 | huhlig-eeepc | rather then the deb |
| 06:02.33 | machine1 | no i have tons of drupal dist |
| 06:02.41 | mns | machine1: just do "apt-get install drupal" on the command line and you're all set. |
| 06:02.44 | machine1 | but i opened a new host acct on slicehost |
| 06:02.59 | huhlig-eeepc | mns, eh, not usually the best way |
| 06:03.05 | onetinsoldier | mns: what are you wanting from dpkg? |
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| 06:03.40 | machine1 | mns: the other 'shared' host that i was using required a lot of ftping |
| 06:04.01 | machine1 | is putty the best way to get a command line? |
| 06:04.09 | mns | onetinsoldier: wanted to find out about volatile .. or something like that. I seem to remember that it would have stuff like ClamAV and Freshclam available which was more newer then what was in the distribution. |
| 06:04.41 | huhlig-eeepc | machine1, putty is an ssh client |
| 06:04.50 | huhlig-eeepc | it will connect to an ssh host |
| 06:05.11 | onetinsoldier | mns: i have no idea. sound more like something for apt than dpkg tho |
| 06:05.11 | huhlig-eeepc | depends on if your host has sshd setup |
| 06:05.41 | mns | sorry .. I meant the bot in here .. that tells you stuff .. |
| 06:05.51 | onetinsoldier | mns: oh.. i see! |
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| 06:06.24 | mns | got it .. |
| 06:06.41 | mns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:06.52 | onetinsoldier | !volatile |
| 06:06.52 | dpkg | i heard volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 06:07.20 | mns | ahh or that .. |
| 06:07.25 | mns | :) thanks |
| 06:07.25 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
| 06:08.37 | mns | hmmm seems like its only for the stable distribution |
| 06:08.50 | mns | I need something like that for testing. |
| 06:09.01 | onetinsoldier | roger. i'm using testing too |
| 06:09.31 | mns | Anyone know how to keep ClamAV and Freshclam upto date in testing ? It is complaining that it is out of date already. |
| 06:10.40 | SystemFAILURE | Hey one question , on Ubuntu ( :( ) I had the ability to use .jar for archiving .. Now here on Debian i tryed installing sun-java6-bin but I can't open (or operate with) my .jar archives .. How to do that ? |
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| 06:11.05 | mns | SystemFAILURE: what do you mean ? |
| 06:11.42 | onetinsoldier | he wants an 'archiver' that works with .jar files... |
| 06:11.51 | SystemFAILURE | Er , no |
| 06:11.53 | SystemFAILURE | Sorry |
| 06:11.56 | onetinsoldier | oh |
| 06:12.05 | SystemFAILURE | I just saw the problem |
| 06:12.11 | onetinsoldier | cool |
| 06:12.25 | mns | do tell though so we don't run into it ourselves :) |
| 06:12.59 | SystemFAILURE | If i try to do 'unzip -l filename.jar' it lists the files (so problem solved in terminal) but if I try to open it with file-roller it tells me that the file doesn't exist .. |
| 06:13.08 | SystemFAILURE | (no , there are no spaces in the path) |
| 06:13.52 | acidslep | 6c |
| 06:14.10 | acidslep | >< disregard |
| 06:14.16 | mns | what's file roller ? |
| 06:14.24 | onetinsoldier | an archive proggie |
| 06:14.42 | onetinsoldier | !file-roller |
| 06:14.43 | huhlig-eeepc | use 7zip? |
| 06:14.47 | SystemFAILURE | mns:: it's the default Gnome file-roller |
| 06:14.51 | onetinsoldier | !fileroller |
| 06:14.55 | onetinsoldier | hmm |
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| 06:16.47 | SystemFAILURE | Tryed opening the jar file with xarchive .. It works |
| 06:16.51 | onetinsoldier | File-roller is an archive manager for the GNOME environment. |
| 06:17.12 | SystemFAILURE | So I just want to set the default software for *.jar as xarchive |
| 06:17.13 | mns | ok based on what I read in apt-cache, it should work just fine. Any chance that the mime settings are not correct for it ? |
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| 06:17.34 | onetinsoldier | SystemFAILURE: cool.. but not so great for file-roller i guess |
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| 06:17.49 | SystemFAILURE | 'ight .. |
| 06:17.50 | mns | ahh so its more a GNOME thing ... n/m. I'm a vtwm guy. |
| 06:18.00 | onetinsoldier | perhaps it needs a bug report? |
| 06:18.20 | onetinsoldier | or check the bts first... |
| 06:18.37 | SystemFAILURE | I don't think , 'cause on Ubuntu it works .. (where can I set the default application for a filetype ?) |
| 06:18.47 | onetinsoldier | oh.. interesting |
| 06:19.14 | SystemFAILURE | (self-found) |
| 06:19.15 | mns | can't you right click ... select something like "open with .... " and then ma |
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| 06:20.30 | SystemFAILURE | mns:: I opened the .jar file properties , went to 'open with' and set xarchive as default |
| 06:21.10 | cahoot | sifted through the options in gconf-editor? |
| 06:21.15 | SystemFAILURE | O_O cool |
| 06:21.20 | SystemFAILURE | If i open file-roller and then open the jar file it works |
| 06:22.07 | mns | :) |
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| 06:28.31 | gabrielcz | Hello all, |
| 06:28.35 | onetinsoldier | hi |
| 06:28.48 | gabrielcz | I need some help changing collation of a mysql server... |
| 06:29.07 | gabrielcz | default uses: latin1_swedish_ci |
| 06:29.16 | gabrielcz | I want to change that to other collation.... |
| 06:29.22 | onetinsoldier | damn.. latest ati fglrx driver won't install on my system |
| 06:29.40 | gabrielcz | theres any variable i can use on startup script, but I want some help... |
| 06:29.45 | gabrielcz | If anyone can help me :) |
| 06:30.16 | gabrielcz | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/server-system-variables.html#sysvar_character_set_server <-- I think theres a solution there, but my english sucks :( |
| 06:30.20 | gabrielcz | any clue? |
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| 06:31.46 | onetinsoldier | sorry. i don't have a clue |
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| 06:33.46 | gabrielcz | thanks ;) |
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| 06:39.18 | onetinsoldier | if possible, i could use some help getting the ati fglrx driver installed. i think i need some 32-bit libraries on my 64-bit system? |
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| 06:51.54 | oOarthurOo | Hi.. I'm having troubles with network-manager so I thought I'd try to simply use wpa_supplicant in roaming mode. Unfortunately, when trying to bring up the wlan0 network card I get this error: run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1 Now, I have found a bug report that claims to fix a simialr error, but I don't really understand the report or what should be changed to make it work. I was hopi |
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| 06:54.22 | oOarthurOo | There is more to the error message, but pastebin seems to be down |
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| 06:55.15 | stdisease | rafb.net |
| 06:55.27 | liable | start wpasupplicant from the command line. its likely a config file error |
| 06:57.09 | oOarthurOo | liable: You're right there. I get this error: Failed to read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'.... that's probably because it's located at /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 06:57.34 | liable | oOarthurOo: so point it to the correct place in interfaces file |
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| 06:58.25 | oOarthurOo | liable: /etc/network/interfaces is pointing at the correct place. " wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" |
| 06:58.35 | stdisease | that is, http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 06:59.44 | liable | oOarthurOo: hmm, paste the entire file please |
| 06:59.59 | oOarthurOo | One sec... "cat etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" shows no such file or dir. |
| 07:00.36 | stdisease | thats a / before the etc |
| 07:00.37 | liable | typo probably |
| 07:00.44 | oOarthurOo | ok... I was missing the / before /etc ... but how shall I paste without pastebin? |
| 07:00.55 | stdisease | rafb.net/paste |
| 07:01.09 | oOarthurOo | ah... sorry stdisease I thought maybe that was helping someone else |
| 07:01.19 | stdisease | np |
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| 07:03.10 | stdisease | http://rafb.net/p/Ed5en798.html : what kinda @#$@ poetry is that |
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| 07:03.56 | timthelion | When I install a package-doc, where is that documentation installed? |
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| 07:04.18 | onetinsoldier | timthelion: dpkg -L <pkg_name> |
| 07:04.21 | liable | timthelion: /usr/share/doc |
| 07:04.33 | liable | or sometimes its info pages |
| 07:05.45 | timthelion | thanks |
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| 07:09.24 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 07:10.09 | stdisease | Hi |
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| 07:10.34 | deadcat | i have a cable that looks like a cat5 but 1 end is like a serial adapter. what kind of cable is that? do i use screen to access it? |
| 07:10.42 | deadcat | or minicom? |
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| 07:13.46 | stoned | enouf, ping |
| 07:13.54 | stoned | ? |
| 07:14.04 | stoned | hey deadcat whats up man happy turkey |
| 07:14.21 | deadcat | stoned: thanks. tired.... |
| 07:14.40 | stoned | deadcat, hey dude I'm horrible as business |
| 07:14.53 | stoned | deadcat, http://paste.debian.net/22351/ <-- take a peek and let me know what you think of my response |
| 07:15.08 | stoned | the guy is bugging the crap out of me |
| 07:15.24 | onetinsoldier | stoned: howdy. happy thanksgiving to you |
| 07:15.57 | stoned | onetinsoldier, hello to you too my good man |
| 07:16.06 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
| 07:16.18 | stoned | and a happy turkey as well |
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| 07:17.20 | onetinsoldier | gobble gobble |
| 07:17.47 | deadcat | stoned: seems reasonable. thats the tough part about estimating a project... |
| 07:18.10 | nirupama | Is there any font conversion tool in debian |
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| 07:18.11 | sylarrr | is there an undelete? |
| 07:18.18 | nirupama | to convert from one font to another |
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| 07:19.37 | stoned | deadcat, yup |
| 07:19.46 | stoned | deadcat, actually it won't take more than a few hours |
| 07:19.56 | stoned | but I'm trying to make some money from this company |
| 07:20.05 | stoned | so I told em, literally 3x the amount of time it may take me |
| 07:20.12 | stoned | if they accept, cool, if not, nothing lost |
| 07:20.22 | stoned | AND IM BORED SHITLESS |
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| 07:21.09 | sylarrr | is there an undelete? |
| 07:21.19 | stoned | not for ext3 or any journaled FS |
| 07:22.46 | deadcat | stoned: nice. (= |
| 07:23.02 | stoned | <?php class Dinosaur { var $species; var $food; function eat($food){ if ($species == "herbivore") { echo ("I eat plants only.");} else { echo ("I eat meats only.");}if ($food == "human"){ echo ("I just ate a human!");}else if ($food == "animal") {echo ("I just ate a small animal.");} else {echo ("I have not had any food yet.");}}function drink() {echo ("I am drinking water.");} function gotosleep(){echo ("I am taking a nap.");}}class Rex extends Dinosa |
| 07:23.08 | stoned | <html><body><?php $rex = new Rex("herbivore");$rex->eat(animal);?></body></html> |
| 07:23.18 | stoned | man... |
| 07:23.21 | stoned | look how bored I am |
| 07:23.23 | stoned | I swear to god... |
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| 07:25.14 | LimCore | what to use in CLI to print a page.html to printer (using say printer name "C64")? for batch script |
| 07:25.36 | onetinsoldier | stoned: you know how to set up fb console? |
| 07:25.40 | liable | you can use lpr from command line |
| 07:26.12 | LimCore | liable: to print a HTML page... like, render it as in say firefox |
| 07:26.32 | LimCore | or, to tell firefox or something to open foo.html and render/"print" it to .PDF |
| 07:26.56 | liable | oh, i think you will be out of luck on that one |
| 07:27.36 | Aggro | LimCore: I heard that such a feature might be coming to Firefox, but not sure if it is coming and when. |
| 07:27.50 | LimCore | in kde control center I set metric system, yet some programs like OpenOffice keep using inches (also gimp and inkspcae afair) wtf |
| 07:27.50 | Aggro | LimCore: And not sure if it will be usable from command line |
| 07:28.06 | LimCore | wtf. its a trivial thing to implement |
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| 07:28.30 | LimCore | all this works already if firefox, only that user have to click the menu item instead of CLI command |
| 07:28.32 | Aggro | LimCore: Want me to give you the address where to send patch after you are done? |
| 07:29.02 | Aggro | LimCore: Oh, I didn't know that |
| 07:29.10 | LimCore | is there any address that will make sure that the patch will reach debian repos this millenium, after upstream accepts it? |
| 07:29.44 | Aggro | LimCore: No |
| 07:29.45 | LimCore | basically its just argv plus some if's and done |
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| 07:30.20 | AussieGuy | can bash spawn a new process without waiting for it to finish, like fork() in c? |
| 07:30.20 | LimCore | AussieGuy: & |
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| 07:30.20 | n-iCe | does debian comes with a server email preinstalled? |
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| 07:31.05 | Aggro | LimCore: Where is this menu option? In which version? |
| 07:31.21 | liable | n-iCe: yes, exim4 is the default MTA |
| 07:31.47 | LimCore | Aggro: file > print and then to file (*) PDF |
| 07:32.02 | n-iCe | liable: where is the email path? |
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| 07:32.43 | Aggro | LimCore: That is not a feature of Firefox afaik, it is a printer feature (driver feature) |
| 07:32.50 | n-iCe | full path to the sendmail program |
| 07:32.52 | n-iCe | you know it]? |
| 07:32.56 | LimCore | Aggro: and? |
| 07:33.13 | LimCore | Aggro: I want the same but done not with mouse click, but with cli command |
| 07:33.33 | Aggro | LimCore: I was saying that they were planning on adding such a feature to their rendering engine. |
| 07:33.35 | liable | n-iCe: type 'which sendmail' |
| 07:33.46 | Aggro | LimCore: Or at least saying that it would be trivial to add |
| 07:34.11 | blast_hardcheese | There are so many things that would be trivial to add but that aren't |
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| 07:34.12 | Aggro | LimCore: But I can't help you with your problem, sorry |
| 07:34.16 | blast_hardcheese | it's depressing. |
| 07:34.43 | LimCore | blast_hardcheese: open source - everyone can participate in the fail |
| 07:34.50 | blast_hardcheese | No kidding. |
| 07:34.51 | n-iCe | liable: how do I test if it works? showed /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 07:35.41 | onetinsoldier | n-iCe: what are you wanting to know? where the sendmail or exim executable is located on your system? |
| 07:36.04 | Rug | Interesting problem; I have been able to watch DVD's for a long time. I just installed VMWare server and now I cannot play any DVD's. Any suggestions? |
| 07:36.09 | onetinsoldier | nvm.. i wasn't at the bottom of the irc screen |
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| 07:37.52 | n-iCe | onetinsoldier: I want to know if I can send emails using my pc, my ip or something |
| 07:38.31 | Guerin | n-iCe: the answer is yes. |
| 07:38.54 | onetinsoldier | n-iCe: as i said yesterday, sendmail is pretty intense. been too long for me, i've forgotten it all now. but i do remember that your exact question is explained in the sendmail docs |
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| 07:39.34 | Guerin | if you have to ask, you don't want sendmail |
| 07:39.40 | Guerin | you want the mail tutorial |
| 07:39.44 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 07:39.44 | dpkg | it has been said that mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 07:39.44 | onetinsoldier | n-iCe: the docs tell you exactly how to do what your asking. but of course, you have to dig through the docs |
| 07:39.47 | kryptoz | hi, I have a adsl router+modem (home) and a linux box with a public IP... I have login to the router from office, now I want to route all the packets via my linux box at office (with ip_forward = 1) |
| 07:40.01 | kryptoz | I have shell access to the router and can use Iptables how can I do this ? |
| 07:40.09 | AussieGuy | echo & <my command> interrupts my script....anything that can cause bash to fork off a new process then forget it and keep going? I want to launch 100 processes that will stay running |
| 07:40.44 | n-iCe | thanks! |
| 07:40.55 | bolt | kryptoz: what is it really you want to do and why? |
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| 07:41.27 | onetinsoldier | n-iCe: i gleaned a fair amount of info from the web page that Guerin pointed you to also, years ago |
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| 07:41.57 | onetinsoldier | but the sendmail docs package has tons of stuff in it |
| 07:42.15 | onetinsoldier | and is what i referred to more than anything |
| 07:42.21 | n-iCe | oh |
| 07:42.25 | liable | sendmail is to send mail, not the sendmail MTA |
| 07:42.53 | kryptoz | I want this "home pc" > "adsl router" > "isp" > "internet" to be "home pc" > "adsl router" > "Linux box (ipforward)" > "isp" > "internet" |
| 07:45.25 | onetinsoldier | n-iCe: not only that, i also had(still have the now outdated) o'reilly sendmail book |
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| 07:46.30 | kryptoz | for answering "why" I want to log the packets to see what my room mate is using the home connection for.. |
| 07:46.32 | kryptoz | :D |
| 07:46.49 | kryptoz | I should change my nick to "evil_kryptoz" |
| 07:46.55 | liable | ask him? |
| 07:47.12 | kryptoz | liable: wrong suggestion ... wont work :p |
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| 07:47.20 | onetinsoldier | snoop dog wants to know what fity cent is doing |
| 07:48.54 | kryptoz | bolt, any way I can accomplish ? |
| 07:48.56 | kryptoz | *this |
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| 07:50.06 | bolt | kryptoz: so you want to route your packets from home through a linux machine at work in order to sniff packets? |
| 07:50.33 | kryptoz | yes |
| 07:50.53 | ghaleb | Hello, when it matters if I install a hardware firewall or a linux machine firewall ? |
| 07:50.56 | bolt | kryptoz: and neither your roommate nor your workplace approves of this, I'd assume? |
| 07:50.58 | kryptoz | since the router is a basic (beetel 220bx) one I al left with nothing |
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| 07:51.42 | kryptoz | I pay my share for the internet bill and I use mails and irc and google reader. He sits home all day and I want to know what am I paying for... |
| 07:52.01 | bolt | kryptoz: sounds shady |
| 07:52.02 | kryptoz | I have my desktop with saved passwords, I want to know whether he is using my accounts .. |
| 07:52.53 | kryptoz | office ... I am responsible ... |
| 07:52.56 | kryptoz | so its okay |
| 07:52.56 | bolt | kryptoz: why not install some kind of monitoring program locally? or set up a box in your network at home to poison his arp cache and thus route everything through that? |
| 07:53.14 | kryptoz | I want to do it now.. |
| 07:53.18 | kryptoz | I can do it later always... |
| 07:53.26 | bolt | kryptoz: you don't need your workplace for this. either a second computer on your home network or some monitoring software on the one he's using |
| 07:53.36 | onetinsoldier | how do you poison an arp cache? |
| 07:53.44 | onetinsoldier | just curious... |
| 07:53.52 | Sling | by sending falsified ARP messages |
| 07:53.54 | kryptoz | onetinsoldier: you can use ettercap |
| 07:53.57 | Sling | forged* |
| 07:54.07 | Sling | or Cain&Abel for windows |
| 07:54.09 | onetinsoldier | ok...intersting. |
| 07:54.16 | Sling | oh wait this is #debian |
| 07:54.22 | kryptoz | bolt, is there a way I can do this with the way I wanted... |
| 07:54.24 | Sling | i shouldnt have so many channels open |
| 07:54.43 | bolt | kryptoz: yes, but it wont be transparent |
| 07:54.56 | kryptoz | because I am curious of the way I can accomplish this as I spend some time figuring out and couldnt figure out :) |
| 07:55.00 | kryptoz | thats fine... |
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| 07:55.46 | bolt | kryptoz: you basically need to set up a VPN or a proxy of some sort. you can do dynamic port forwarding with ssh to create a socks-ish proxy |
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| 07:56.32 | kryptoz | by the way I am only interested in http packets .. |
| 07:56.45 | kryptoz | and I have very little options in the adsl modem+router |
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| 07:57.19 | bolt | kryptoz: if your workplace has a http proxy, allow your home ip to surf through it. simplest solution i can think of. |
| 07:57.22 | kryptoz | I already have a proxy running on the linux box but how do I get the router use the proxy .. I have no clue.. |
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| 07:58.00 | liable | set it as the router gateway |
| 07:58.11 | kryptoz | this is the close I got, I can have ipforward enabled on the linux pc and somehow make the router forward all http traffic or all traffic to my linux box... |
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| 07:58.37 | kryptoz | the router's shell has iptables command.. I was thinking easier was is with iptables if at all it allows... |
| 08:00.04 | Rug | Interesting problem; I have been able to watch DVD's for a long time. I just installed VMWare server and now I cannot play any DVD's. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:00.39 | stoned | is vmware keeping your dvd drive under its control? |
| 08:00.53 | stoned | you may have to disconnect it in vmware before you can use it in linux again |
| 08:00.57 | Rug | stoned: same problems happen when I stop the vmware service |
| 08:02.26 | Rug | shouldn't that eliminate any interference? |
| 08:03.03 | n-iCe | define is comment or uncomment? |
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| 08:06.53 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 08:08.05 | Haris1 | amavis on debian says -> Nov 27 09:50:25 msc3 amavis[3688]: (!)DENIED ACCESS from IP xxx.xxx.xx.xx, policy bank '' <- In /etc/amavis/conf.d/ I'v set @inet_acl = qw( 127.0.0.1 ::1 pnblic-IP ); |
| 08:08.16 | Haris1 | shouldn't it allow my postfix box to send it mails? |
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| 08:11.03 | Haris1 | Need help |
| 08:11.11 | Haris1 | no one is giving me a clue, anywhere |
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| 08:12.31 | Xedge | hi, i want to create amd64-binary packages on an i386 is there an easy way to do that? i could not find any working solutions |
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| 08:12.52 | gabrielcz | question: I need to reboot a server when a script finish, Its ok to add this line "/sbin/reboot" ? If I add that line at the end of my script, it will restar my server? |
| 08:12.57 | SnoFox | How can I set GNOME to use Nautilus as the file browser isntead of... whatever that default thing is? |
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| 08:13.33 | lazyfrosch | gabrielcz: when the script is running as root yes |
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| 08:13.53 | gabrielcz | Thanks dude, I must be sure :P |
| 08:14.02 | n-iCe | what's define? |
| 08:14.03 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.03 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.04 | n-iCe | #define ALLOW_HELLO |
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| 08:14.07 | aetheria_ | how can i get gnome to use kde dialog windows? |
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| 08:14.13 | n-iCe | supposed to be one line, sorry |
| 08:14.18 | n-iCe | what's define? |
| 08:14.38 | aetheria_ | n-iCe:~$ it means uncomment that line |
| 08:14.40 | samiko | i'm trying to run openoffice in chinese on english session, am i correct in running : LANG=zh_CN oowriter? |
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| 08:15.00 | n-iCe | aetheria_: and erase the "define" word too? |
| 08:15.10 | SnoFox | #define is a preprocessor directive. What are you trying to do, n-iCe? |
| 08:15.34 | aetheria_ | n-iCe:~$ actually that is uncommented |
| 08:15.45 | SnoFox | What aetheria_ said ^^ |
| 08:15.46 | aetheria_ | samiko:~$ that should be right |
| 08:16.08 | aetheria_ | samiko:~$ you can prepend envvars to commands like that |
| 08:16.10 | n-iCe | aetheria_: it is already uncommented? |
| 08:16.20 | SnoFox | n-iCe, yes it is. |
| 08:16.21 | aetheria_ | n-iCe:~$ lookup C syntax |
| 08:16.35 | n-iCe | I get it! |
| 08:16.39 | n-iCe | I need to write #undef |
| 08:16.43 | n-iCe | right? |
| 08:17.00 | SnoFox | aetheria_, you don't happen to know how GNOME works, do you? |
| 08:17.12 | aetheria_ | SnoFox:~$ like how? |
| 08:17.41 | SnoFox | I'm trying to make GNOME use Nautilus as the default File Browser, over whatever it uses by default. |
| 08:18.12 | SnoFox | I have no clue how to make it do that, though. |
| 08:18.30 | samiko | aetheria_, thanks, it doesn't work. i want to download the minimum of packages to do that, where can i find what i need.i already got the chinese language package for OO |
| 08:18.37 | SnoFox | I already looked into preferred programs, so i don't know. |
| 08:18.42 | aetheria_ | SnoFox:~$ maybe in gconf somewhere? no idea |
| 08:19.03 | aetheria_ | samiko:~$ apt-cache search <string> |
| 08:19.27 | aetheria_ | e.g. apt-cache search openoffice |grep chinese or something |
| 08:19.58 | aetheria_ | or ... |grep lang perhaps |
| 08:20.09 | aetheria_ | or i18n |
| 08:20.31 | samiko | aetheria_, thanks for the grep idea cause the cache for openoffice is too long |
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| 08:23.05 | samiko | aetheria_, i got all those packages but still get nothing when i run lang=zn_cn oowriter, i mean its still english |
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| 08:23.48 | samiko | aetheria_, i'm running xfce and i dont want to switch to chinese session cause that will force me to get tons of packages |
| 08:23.51 | rmrfchik | is there packages for latest (0.9) sunbird? |
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| 08:27.30 | aetheria_ | rmrfchik:~$ i think its called iceowl in debian |
| 08:27.42 | rmrfchik | aetheria_: anyway |
| 08:29.42 | sylarrr | which app is better rdiff-backup or rsnapshot? |
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| 08:30.10 | sep | sylarrr, backuppc !! |
| 08:30.14 | sep | :) |
| 08:30.36 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: hey there. what ati card do you have and what version of the fglrx driver? |
| 08:31.10 | aetheria_ | why? |
| 08:31.45 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: i am trying to get the latest version of the driver installed... but ati's linux installer os crap if you ask me |
| 08:31.56 | onetinsoldier | s/os/is |
| 08:31.57 | aetheria_ | sylarrr:~$ doesn't one of those use hard links with rsync? |
| 08:32.32 | aetheria_ | onetinsoldier:~$ don't use the ati driver. use module-assistant. |
| 08:32.38 | aetheria_ | !tell onetinsoldier about fglrx |
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| 08:34.17 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: my card is pretty new. i will check the 'one-liner' but i think it's an 8.7, which i think is pretty old at this point, and certainly old for my card |
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| 08:35.00 | sylarrr | aetheria_, yes |
| 08:35.04 | craigevil | onetinsoldier: you might take a look at http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html |
| 08:35.15 | onetinsoldier | craigevil: will do right now.. thanks |
| 08:35.33 | aetheria_ | onetinsoldier:~$ maybe try something like this then: sh ati-driver-installer-8.35.5-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/stable |
| 08:35.51 | sylarrr | which app is the best for snapshots? |
| 08:36.15 | sep | sylarrr, rsnapshot uses hardlinks too identical files save space. backuppc does too, even between hosts. so a identical file on many servers are saved once!! on your storage :) |
| 08:36.22 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: and i think i must have missed something, or perhaps you did. i'm not trying to use the 'ati' driver.. i'm trying to install the 'fglrx' driver.. with this file... |
| 08:36.44 | onetinsoldier | ati-driver-installer-8-11-x86.x86_64.run |
| 08:36.53 | aetheria_ | did you just read my above post? |
| 08:37.11 | aetheria_ | you can build a .deb from it |
| 08:37.18 | sylarrr | sep , what makes buckuppc better? |
| 08:37.36 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: no.. i hadn't seen that.. i'm running around like a madman between vc's |
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| 08:42.01 | sep | sylarrr, the killer feature for me, is that my users can restore their own files in a web interface, without asking me all the bloddy time. other then that it's the many different backup methods, (rsync/tar/cp/samba) that means i can use the same tool for everything. and it saves a lot of diskspace on my storage with hardlinks. but mainly how easy it is to restore. |
| 08:42.36 | sep | sylarrr, also helpful irc channel #backuppc and mailinglist. |
| 08:43.49 | onetinsoldier | craigevil: thanks. i might check out the script |
| 08:43.51 | sylarrr | sep, is there also an app interfacee (ie not web?) |
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| 08:44.10 | sep | ofcourse there are command line tools |
| 08:44.20 | onetinsoldier | Error: Unrecognized build option parameter Debian/stable |
| 08:44.22 | MoL0ToV | hi to all |
| 08:44.34 | MoL0ToV | how to convert a date from unix format to standard format in awk? - same as # date -d @1000000042.321 |
| 08:44.40 | MoL0ToV | dom set 9 03:47:22 CEST 2001 |
| 08:44.44 | MoL0ToV | i have a debian etch |
| 08:44.46 | aetheria_ | sh ati-driver-installer-8.35.5-x86.x86_64.run --listpkg |
| 08:44.46 | MoL0ToV | # awk 'BEGIN{print strftime("%c",1144279759)}' |
| 08:44.56 | MoL0ToV | awk: line 2: function strftime never defined |
| 08:44.57 | MoL0ToV | my awk is incomplete? |
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| 08:45.31 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: k.. hang on. kepp in mind this is a much newer installer than the one you listed |
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| 08:47.28 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: well, i don't get it.. it shows up in the list. i am trying again. |
| 08:48.25 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: i think it's working! hang on... |
| 08:49.40 | MoL0ToV | i solved, the problem is that debian uses mawk instead of gawk |
| 08:49.54 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: it tried, and then bombed out with a bunch of errors. i will have to anaylze the error messages. i may not have some libs installed that it's looking for |
| 08:50.05 | Federico2 | hi |
| 08:50.57 | onetinsoldier | howdy Federico2 |
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| 08:51.51 | Koston | how about you people apply this to your kernel build facilities: http://img.alibaba.com/photo/12260210/Oomph_Glue_Remover.jpg |
| 08:52.09 | onetinsoldier | MoL0ToV: you can get gawk in debian.. you just have to do apt-get install gawk |
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| 08:53.56 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
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| 08:54.14 | onetinsoldier | uzbek: hello there |
| 08:54.23 | tmn` | morning :) |
| 08:54.32 | onetinsoldier | happy thanksgiving all! |
| 08:54.41 | uzbek | in Midnight Commander how can i open the same window in the second panel? thanx! |
| 08:54.47 | xtr | to you the same |
| 08:54.50 | tmn` | is it thanksgiving today :o |
| 08:54.58 | onetinsoldier | aetheria_: thank you for the help. i think i'm at least on my way now. :-) |
| 08:55.08 | tralala | uzbek, try alt+o |
| 08:55.17 | xtr | I am frustrated with this flash thing |
| 08:55.24 | janis | hithere!! Are stock kernels compiled with realtime abilities? (namely the linux-2.6-amd64) Is there some relating howto as of how to use a realtime jack? |
| 08:55.54 | janis | can't find /proc/config |
| 08:55.58 | uzbek | tralala, thanx a lot! |
| 08:56.02 | xtr | tried swfdec, gnash, adobe, |
| 08:56.12 | xtr | none work |
| 08:56.14 | tralala | janis, I don't think stock kernels have realtime by default. You can see the options in /boot/config-2.6.* |
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| 08:56.38 | tmn` | onetinsoldier: happy thanksgiving to you also, though we don't celebrate it in here |
| 08:56.43 | Koston | afaik you cannot configure kernel schedulers as modules, so you'll have to recompile.. |
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| 08:57.04 | onetinsoldier | tmn`: roger.. where are you from? |
| 08:57.12 | xtr | gnash depends on haxe which depends on pango which depends on glib which depends on pkg-config |
| 08:57.15 | tmn` | i'm from finland |
| 08:57.37 | onetinsoldier | tmn`: roger that, cool. |
| 08:57.42 | janis | Is there then some ready debian patch that you know of? |
| 08:57.49 | janis | (for raeltime abilities) |
| 08:57.56 | tmn` | yea, it it cool here right now ;) |
| 08:58.12 | Koston | janis, read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html and just pick a realtime scheduler in 'make menuconfig' .. |
| 08:58.25 | Koston | but for real realtime abilities, you'll probably need to do a whole lot more. |
| 08:58.36 | Koston | like remove all the crud from the kernel config :P |
| 08:58.48 | onetinsoldier | tmn`: it's not exactly warm where i am either, but probably warmer than finland. i'm from colorado, usa |
| 08:58.52 | Koston | or use a real realtime OS :P |
| 08:58.56 | xtr | anyone here know of a way around this flash bug |
| 08:59.02 | tmn` | wow :) |
| 08:59.24 | tmn` | it isn't cold here yet, only a few degrees minus but alot of snow |
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| 08:59.39 | Koston | +2C in Helsinki, a lot of snow melting fast. *sucks* |
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| 09:00.04 | xtr | nothing in colorado |
| 09:00.18 | janis | Koston, I just want to use some midi keyboard, I mean nobody dies if some note have a few ms delay. Al long as they are few. I hope it is not of use to abandon debian for this.. is it? |
| 09:00.48 | tmn` | Koston: that's why it's better to live in the countryside :) |
| 09:00.53 | onetinsoldier | tmn`: i hear you. yeah, that's much colder than here. it's about freezing temp here right now(night time). |
| 09:01.54 | Koston | janis, uh, that doesn't require a realtime scheduler |
| 09:02.46 | Koston | janis, I measured a real delay of 12.3ms from physical hit on a midi drum to hearing audio playback from a monitor. |
| 09:02.47 | janis | really? (a huge load is lifted from a bit bored to recompile kernels janis's shoulders) nice!!! |
| 09:02.52 | janis | How do I proceed? |
| 09:02.53 | Koston | janis, with OSX 10.5 |
| 09:03.02 | Koston | and that certainly is no realtime OS ;) |
| 09:03.48 | Koston | I have no idea, I never even considered trying to use anything but OSX for audio |
| 09:04.03 | janis | Ok, I'll try my plai os first. I have a huge delay with timidity, but it may be some other stuff failing. |
| 09:04.22 | Koston | well the first and foremost is that your audio interface and it's drivers probably suck donkey nuts |
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| 09:05.32 | Koston | just get a mac and run OSX on it, will save you from a world of pain |
| 09:05.49 | janis | I guess I need to crawl alsa'sdrivers for the most compatible sound cards. |
| 09:06.24 | Koston | I severely doubt any of those drivers would be written with latency requirements in mind |
| 09:06.46 | Koston | and anything beyond 20ms of latency is unbearable imho |
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| 09:07.03 | janis | I can't afford a mac right now :(( Some day though! Some day! :) Well, I still hope. At least to get a decent home performance |
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| 09:07.38 | janis | For now I get about 300ms, but I haven't done anything yet to ttach the delay |
| 09:07.44 | janis | attack* |
| 09:07.59 | Koston | see if the input sample buffer size can be adjusted |
| 09:08.14 | Koston | you will need 128 samples or less |
| 09:08.22 | janis | ok. I am also reconsidering recompiling. Would you advise that? |
| 09:08.40 | Koston | honestly I have no idea, the whole concept sounds like begging for trouble to me |
| 09:09.43 | janis | *smirk*, ok. Not for now. Anyway, I'll come back wih more precise questions. Many Thanks!! |
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| 09:21.54 | onetinsoldier | hi. is this anyting to worry about? xserver-xorg postinst warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang '--en_US' |
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| 09:32.58 | Misterjos | hey, i have this problem that no usb device wants to mount on my pc, i plugged in my iriver jukebox H320 and an usb stick, and there is no action. |
| 09:33.22 | Misterjos | i dont really know where to look for the devices in /dev |
| 09:33.31 | petemc | look in dmesg/syslog |
| 09:33.57 | Misterjos | last entry in dmseg is "no ipv6 routers present" |
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| 09:34.48 | Misterjos | is it possible that i have to change something in bios to allow this automounting? |
| 09:35.04 | Misterjos | since there is really no action when plugging in usb devices |
| 09:36.17 | kingsley | Misterjos: Try 1.) $ grep -i usb /var/log/messages 2.) lsusb |
| 09:37.52 | Misterjos | no output kingsley |
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| 09:38.18 | Misterjos | i did it as root since acces was denied as user |
| 09:39.00 | kingsley | Misterjos: Did you try grep, lsusb, or both? |
| 09:39.01 | petemc | add your user to the adm group to give them access to logs |
| 09:39.08 | Misterjos | first grep |
| 09:39.10 | Misterjos | no output |
| 09:39.15 | Misterjos | then lsusb |
| 09:39.18 | Misterjos | also no output |
| 09:39.24 | Misterjos | and no action of course |
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| 09:42.08 | kingsley | Misterjos: http://mattfleming.com/node/93 |
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| 09:43.00 | Misterjos | thanks kingsley, i'll have a look |
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| 09:51.50 | Misterjos | i can't find anything at all about usb devices in dmesg kingsley |
| 09:52.32 | kingsley | Misterjos: Are you using debian? |
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| 09:52.46 | kingsley | Misterjos: What version of the kernel are you using? |
| 09:53.13 | kingsley | Misterjos: Has any USB ever worked on this computer? |
| 09:53.18 | Misterjos | 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 15:18:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux, debian lenny RC1 |
| 09:53.26 | Misterjos | yes, it did on debian etch |
| 09:53.54 | Misterjos | but etch got old, so i installed ubuntu, but now i'm back with debian |
| 09:54.05 | kingsley | Misterjos: Have you tried $ dmesg | grep -i usb |
| 09:54.07 | Misterjos | usb devices worked on etch, not on ubuntu and not in lenny |
| 09:54.08 | kingsley | as root? |
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| 09:55.03 | Misterjos | there is no output kingsley |
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| 09:56.03 | Misterjos | can it be that i disabled something in bios thats necessary for usb devices? |
| 09:56.53 | kingsley | Misterjos: I don't know. And, unfortunately, I need to go soon. |
| 09:57.11 | Misterjos | ok, thanks anyway, i'll restart and have a look |
| 09:57.13 | Misterjos | bye |
| 09:57.16 | kingsley | Misterjos: Since USB used to work, it seems like a software problem. |
| 09:57.57 | liable | replug something into a usb port, and look at the last bit of dmesg output |
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| 09:58.54 | kingsley | Misterjos: Yes, perhaps you should plug in the USB device, reboot, look at BIOS SETUP, let it finish booting, and the see if booting with a USB device inserted allows dmesg (or /var/log/messages) to report it. |
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| 09:58.59 | Misterjos | well, there just is no output on plugging/unplugging devices liable |
| 09:59.13 | stevil | how can i see which process is taking up the most IO's on a system? |
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| 09:59.29 | Misterjos | ok, good advice, i'll try that |
| 09:59.40 | liable | Misterjos: does lspci show your usb controllers? |
| 09:59.47 | kingsley | stevil: man top |
| 10:01.05 | Misterjos | 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP55 SMBus (rev a2) |
| 10:01.05 | Misterjos | the only thing with a "bus" in it |
| 10:01.18 | stevil | kingsley: oke thanks |
| 10:01.22 | Misterjos | (in lspci) |
| 10:01.35 | kingsley | Misterjos: $ lspci | grep -i usb |
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| 10:01.43 | onetinsoldier | installing X amazed me compared to the days of old. it must have read some info about my monitor and set itself to the native resolution with no input from me. no dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 or xorg.. no editing the xorg.conf file, ect. nice... |
| 10:01.58 | Misterjos | again no output kingsley |
| 10:02.10 | liable | then its probably disabled in bios |
| 10:02.35 | Misterjos | well, i'll check it now, bbl |
| 10:02.54 | stevil | kingsley: although i can't find anything with disk io in man page of top |
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| 10:04.17 | kingsley | stevil: within "man top" search for "disk" bny pressing '/disk<enter>'. |
| 10:04.37 | kingsley | stevil: Page faults may answer your question. |
| 10:04.56 | kingsley | stevil: Unfortunately, I need to go. |
| 10:05.03 | kingsley | stevil: Good luck! |
| 10:05.06 | stevil | k thanks man |
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| 10:11.16 | Misterjos | ok, it was indeed a problem in bios, where usb-support was disabled for some reason |
| 10:11.41 | efaistos | why the heck apt-get install apache2 installs mysql-common ? |
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| 10:14.59 | jorge_ | hello people |
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| 10:15.39 | mhymn_ | efaistos: it shouldn't, take a look --> http://packages.debian.org/etch/apache2 |
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| 10:16.49 | Misterjos | hey, i need to execute this task (hdparm -S 220 /dev/sdc) everytime on startup, can i let my computer do it automatically? |
| 10:16.56 | jorge_ | I have to create a script in bash if it is possible to verify if a email account exists |
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| 10:17.20 | jorge_ | I have a first filter verifying MX register of the domain |
| 10:17.33 | jorge_ | I don't now if it is possible to verify the user too |
| 10:18.54 | kunwon1 | jorge_, not really |
| 10:19.16 | onetinsoldier | Misterjos: yes. i am really rusty with linux still, but there is a file somewhere in /etc you can put the command in, or you can make a cron job i believe |
| 10:19.26 | jorge_ | :( |
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| 10:19.53 | onetinsoldier | Misterjos: sorry, not much help. but yes, it can easily be done |
| 10:19.54 | petemc | jorge_: test remote users? you could telnet to the mx and do mail from: rcpt to: ... |
| 10:20.08 | jorge_ | yes, I know that |
| 10:20.17 | jorge_ | but is it possible in a script reading a file? |
| 10:20.28 | petemc | anything is possible |
| 10:20.45 | Misterjos | i figured it out a year ago onetinsoldier, but i forgot :s |
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| 10:20.55 | jorge_ | petemc, can I have a clue? |
| 10:21.06 | jorge_ | because with telnet open other console |
| 10:21.11 | Neaai | Is there overhead when the interface works in promiscuous mode as opposed to normal mode? |
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| 10:21.13 | Misterjos | thats the backside of only installing your OS once a year |
| 10:21.15 | jorge_ | I don't know how to manage that |
| 10:21.38 | petemc | jorge_: you might want to use use expect or some such, may be tricky in bash |
| 10:22.06 | onetinsoldier | Misterjos: i hear you. well, i haven't used linux in almost three years, until last week. so i know what you mean! |
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| 10:23.24 | petemc | jorge_: http://www.cymru.com/Documents/auditing-with-expect.html |
| 10:23.56 | jorge_ | thanks |
| 10:24.33 | Misterjos | there is this file /etc/hdparm.conf where i need to add the instructions for hdparm |
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| 10:26.19 | Misterjos | but there is also a file /etc/default/hdparm |
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| 10:28.39 | Misterjos | su |
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| 10:29.03 | dantre | hola hay alguien ahi |
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| 10:44.41 | liable | grr, logwatch has had a bug against it spamming for ages with a patch even and the maintainer hasn't fixed it |
| 10:44.53 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:44.54 | dpkg | qotd148 is probably <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
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| 10:52.01 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 10:52.19 | AlexC_ | I'm installing the package 'apache2' however none of the configuration files are being installed/copied. Ie, there is no /etc/apache2 |
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| 10:57.39 | AlexC_ | is there anyway to force apt-get/aptitude to reinstall/copy the config files? |
| 10:58.14 | petemc | did you delete them previously? |
| 10:58.28 | Neaai | When I delete the /var/log/messages and then recreate it again, the new file is not updated with logs until I reboot. Is this normal? |
| 10:58.40 | AlexC_ | petemc, yes, well I uninstalled Apache and remove the /etc/apache2 dir manually (afterwards) |
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| 10:58.48 | Aggro | AlexC_: --purge when removing? |
| 10:58.56 | petemc | AlexC_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 10:59.04 | AlexC_ | Aggro, IIRC, yes |
| 11:00.06 | Aggro | Neaai: When you delete a file, it might not get deleted actually if someone is keeping it open. |
| 11:00.43 | AlexC_ | petemc, hum, doing the instruction in there failed to add them as well |
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| 11:01.00 | Aggro | Neaai: This can cause situation where your hard drive is filled, while no file is actually taking the space. Rebooting makes sure everyone closes their file handles and file is actually removed. |
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| 11:01.07 | AlexC_ | I think I may have messed it up, been purging, --reinstalling etc with apt-get, then tried aptitude - I've most likely confused it! |
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| 11:01.31 | petemc | AlexC_: you probably want apache2.2-common |
| 11:02.00 | AlexC_ | petemc, ahh, win =) Thanks |
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| 11:02.47 | Neaai | Aggro: so maybe that's what's happening. I'll have to check what might keep /var/log/messages open besides myself when I examine and delete it. Thanks for the hint. |
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| 11:06.55 | Aggro | Neaai: There is a command which shows who has file handle open. I just don't remember what the command was. I hope you know it ;) |
| 11:07.12 | petemc | lsof |
| 11:07.20 | Aggro | petemc: Thanks |
| 11:07.46 | petemc | Neaai: you probably shouldnt be deleting log files like that, you can empty them with echo "" > file |
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| 11:08.29 | petemc | at least, log files that are in use, feel free to delete other log files if you wish |
| 11:08.30 | Neaai | Aggro: I guess it's lsof :) |
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| 11:08.56 | Neaai | petemc: I'll remember that next time. |
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| 11:12.00 | koollman | Neaai: or you can rememember that this log file is opened by syslog. you can inform syslog it's time to reopen it, /etc/init.d/sysklogd reload |
| 11:12.21 | SparFux | My /var/lib/dpkg is gone. But I have an old dpkg --get-selections output. So I would like to reinstall the debian packaging system and tell it to simply reinstall but not configure every package from my selections list. Is that possible in an automated way? |
| 11:14.05 | Neaai | koollman: I'll remember that too. |
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| 11:19.15 | SparFux | Plus I even find my dpkg.status.0 and "aptitude.pkgstates.0" in /lost+found. |
| 11:19.56 | simNIX | Im running Debian Testing. I got a linksys wpc55ag from which the g band is working. I'd prefer to use the a band but when I use kwifimanager to show what wirellees networks there are only my g one is showing |
| 11:20.20 | simNIX | any thoughts as to how get a band used ? |
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| 11:21.13 | efaistos | mhymn_: thats weird ... maybe a bug to fill ? |
| 11:21.20 | wiedenmann | I have a machine that is blocked by the firewall for outgoing connectins, but I can ssh onto the machine. How can I setup an internet connection over an ssh tunnel? |
| 11:21.46 | mhymn_ | efaistos: nope, i think you made a mistake somewhere |
| 11:21.47 | efaistos | mhymn_: checked lenny and sid and no one of this version of apache request the installation of mysql-common |
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| 11:22.11 | efaistos | mhymn_: I just did an apt-get install apache2 |
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| 11:25.04 | efaistos | whats the name of the flash plugin for FF ? |
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| 11:25.47 | themill | dpkg: tell efaistos about adobe flash |
| 11:25.54 | efaistos | themill: thanks |
| 11:25.59 | craigevil | if you use the one in sid flashplugin-nonfree or you can use the one from debian-multimedia |
| 11:26.46 | themill | efaistos: you may also like to look at the output of "aptitude why apache2 mysql-common" (in lenny/sid) |
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| 11:37.18 | buu | So hrm. |
| 11:37.52 | buu | I'm trying various forms of ssh -R :port:host:port; and the tunnel is created, but it's only listening on localhost.. |
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| 11:39.17 | themill | buu: have a read of the section for "-R" in man ssh. |
| 11:39.21 | mrak | hello there |
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| 11:40.01 | mrak | can u tell me what is lookup in nfsstat |
| 11:40.10 | buu | themill: yeah yeah =/ |
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| 11:41.36 | buu | themill: I had just remembered it explicitly mentioned that. |
| 11:41.46 | themill | :) |
| 11:41.58 | buu | themill: Now I'm trapped in a twisty maze of ssh-passages, all very similar. |
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| 11:59.37 | sgh | I cant startx while being a normal user. How can I fix this? |
| 12:00.11 | epsilon | my car doesnt start, how do I fix this? |
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| 12:02.10 | stdisease | By paying me to do it |
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| 12:02.35 | rhineheart_m | hello.. what's the recommended debian installer for amd 64 x2? |
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| 12:07.45 | rhineheart_m | hello system failure. Nice to see you here again :) |
| 12:07.55 | SystemFAILURE | rhineheart_m:: hi :D |
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| 12:10.06 | flourish | hello, help! Please can someone tell me a debian source to get nvu or kompozer |
| 12:10.29 | flourish | the output of /etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l |
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| 12:13.24 | Furious_Joe | what package do I need to get the man pages for malloc and printf and such? |
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| 12:17.48 | joeytwiddle | Furious_Joe: maybe glibc-doc |
| 12:18.49 | Furious_Joe | thanks |
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| 12:20.01 | rhineheart_m | What's the recommended debian installer for amd 64 x2? |
| 12:20.47 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, desktop or server? |
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| 12:21.17 | rhineheart_m | server Eulex |
| 12:21.32 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, amd64 netinstaller, or perhaps cd1 |
| 12:22.22 | rhineheart_m | why not i386? |
| 12:23.25 | rhineheart_m | what's the difference between amd64 and i386 installers? |
| 12:23.37 | themill | Furious_Joe: manpages-dev |
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| 12:24.18 | Wiz_KeeD | how can i make a redirection in apache on debian to that a specific port or somethng is forwarded to another address |
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| 12:26.20 | rhineheart_m | Wiz_KeeD, I suggest.. you ask at #apache |
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| 12:47.19 | kyrix | hi, is there a way to avoid booting into bash with the init=/bin/bash option? |
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| 12:47.45 | petemc | what would you like init=/bin/bash to do? |
| 12:48.55 | kyrix | nothing. i want to disable it |
| 12:49.09 | kyrix | ah grub password might help |
| 12:51.19 | tralala | as long as you have a bios password and boot policy: hdd only |
| 12:51.38 | kyrix | yup, ill have to change that too. thanks |
| 12:51.39 | tralala | and physical security |
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| 12:56.51 | assignme | hello |
| 12:57.26 | dustybin | what log does bind9 write to? |
| 12:58.24 | assignme | i have a remote box using debian etch. i got mail working with google (gmail ftw) but i'd need a smtp server for phpbb. Do you guys recommend any? i seen several conflicting recommendations online :(. I perfer something simple |
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| 13:02.08 | general | im trying to get NAT going on a Linux server using iptables... now, i have two interfaces eth0 (which is my internal) and eth1 (which is my external) |
| 13:02.51 | assignme | i guess ppl only ask Qs here |
| 13:03.08 | general | when I use the rules 'FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT' and 'FORWARD -o eth0 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT' it all works perfectly |
| 13:03.33 | general | but when I add '-A FORWARD -j DROP' to the the end of it the whole thing dies.... whats wrong? |
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| 13:05.02 | mhymn_ | is that hello? |
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| 13:06.12 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: yeah |
| 13:06.29 | mhymn_ | SystemFAILURE: hi! ;) |
| 13:06.39 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: ;) |
| 13:07.12 | tralala | general, because you're not forwarding the new connection requests? |
| 13:10.02 | general | tralala, huh? |
| 13:10.07 | general | tralala, what do u mean? |
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| 13:10.35 | general | tralala, I thought 'FORWARD -o eth0 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT' would ??? |
| 13:11.23 | tralala | not when you say --state EST...,REL... |
| 13:11.41 | general | tralala, so how do i get it to forward them correctly? |
| 13:12.09 | tralala | in any case you'll be better off using an iptables/netfilter front-end like shorewall |
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| 13:12.34 | general | tralala, i want all connections that come in from eth1 (internet) to be blocked but all the connections out from my internal network eth0 (like HTTP connections) to be allowed through and back |
| 13:12.52 | general | tralala, I cant, dont have X, using a text-based enviro :( |
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| 13:12.58 | vaq | How do I control that mysql should start after open-iscsi and not before? |
| 13:13.05 | general | tralala, do u understand what im doing? |
| 13:13.40 | tralala | what you want is a higher level tool, that let's you specifiy more easily things like that. A text-based tool. A tool like shorewall. |
| 13:14.02 | tralala | vaq, man update-rc.d |
| 13:14.17 | general | tralala, anyother way I can do it? |
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| 13:15.12 | tralala | general, you can spend many months learning routing details and face the risks of badly configured rules in the mean time |
| 13:15.33 | Neaai | When I issue "updatedb" I receive this: (( /usr/bin/updatedb: line 187: 24987 Segmentation fault rm -f $LOCATE_DB.n )) |
| 13:15.48 | general | tralala, shorewall looks like just another tool that will take hours to configure |
| 13:15.53 | Neaai | Something similar appears when I try "apt-get anything" |
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| 13:16.01 | general | tralala, this should only be like 5 - 6 rules and it should be fine |
| 13:16.10 | masus | hi all , can anybody say me why the resolv.conf is changing everytime i reboot my pc. or how i can disable it so it's not changing . Thanks |
| 13:16.23 | hikenboot | hello all I am trying to get bootchart to work to increase debian boot speed but the website for rendering the charts is down is their a package alternative to this site I was told somthing about a java applet or somthin |
| 13:16.39 | petemc | masus: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 13:16.49 | hikenboot | s/their/there |
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| 13:16.57 | masus | Thanks |
| 13:17.04 | tralala | Neaai, what did you do to get to this point? |
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| 13:18.47 | Neaai | tralala: First I detected some high traffic in this box. I tried to see what was going on and upon issuing "ps" I couldn't see listed my own command "ps auxw". Then /var/log/messages has a lot of entries of entering/exiting promiscuous mode. |
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| 13:19.17 | Neaai | tralala: now I see /bin/ps is not root owned. |
| 13:20.05 | Neaai | tralala: /bin/netstat is not root owned too. ps and netstat have ownership/uid of an inexistent user. |
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| 13:21.10 | tralala | Neaai, have you upgraded recently? |
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| 13:21.16 | \amethyst | !rootkit |
| 13:21.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, rootkit is a set of tools that replace the standard Unix utilities like ls and ps in order to hide certain files and processes from the admin. It is a good thing to have a copy of these tools on disk, but that only helps against the weaker rootkits (that don't modify the kernel in place). |
| 13:21.18 | Neaai | tralala: so, when I tried to "apt-get install --reinstall net-tools" I received the above segmentation fault. |
| 13:21.29 | DireFog | Neaai: rootkit |
| 13:21.53 | DireFog | I had that once, caught it in the middle of installing. |
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| 13:22.12 | Neaai | DireFog: \amethyst: tralala: seems like a rootkit. It's pscan2 |
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| 13:22.27 | DireFog | Neaai: save user data, nuke the box |
| 13:23.14 | Neaai | DireFog: \amethyst: tralala: All these come from some ssl/ssh related stuff I'm not very well versed with. |
| 13:23.43 | Neaai | Something to do with keys and key generation. |
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| 13:24.07 | DireFog | Neaai: you are/were running some service with a vulnerability allowing privilege escalation. Debian had a very nasty bug for a long time that compromised key-based authentication. |
| 13:24.17 | DireFog | So SSH is a likely offender. |
| 13:24.57 | Neaai | DireFog: That box serves as a mailserver for a small organisation. |
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| 13:25.27 | DireFog | what I would do right now is: (1) boot the box from a live CD, (2) from all user directories, and /root, delete the key files and authorized_keys files from .ssh/, (3) backup all user data, (4) clean reinstall |
| 13:25.35 | Neaai | DireFog: it's a Xen vm. I'll save whatever emails and users and redo the thing as new. |
| 13:25.48 | DireFog | VM is good |
| 13:26.05 | DireFog | probably gives you external access to the filesystem rather easily |
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| 13:26.42 | DireFog | oh, if you're using SSL certificates built on a debian machine, you'll probably want to recreate those as well. |
| 13:26.45 | Neaai | DireFog: it's worrysome for the other vm-s use the same kernel/ssh/ssl version. |
| 13:27.01 | speakman | How can I figure out which has created a file in /dev? It doesn't seem to be udev this time. |
| 13:27.18 | SystemFAILURE | speakman:: ls -lah filename |
| 13:27.39 | DireFog | yeah, check those, and if they're not compromised, replace at least all the SSH/SSL keys used for authentication |
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| 13:28.23 | DireFog | it's really quite some work, but trying to fix a compromise has too little of a success guarantee, and you want stuff like mailservers secure. |
| 13:29.13 | Raven737 | Help please: i'm a total noob, but i need to install cairo on an old server and apt-get doesn't work, it's just says 404 Not Found for sarge/main... what should i do? |
| 13:29.18 | Neaai | DireFog: Also, I have noticed sometimes, when ssh-ing to a machine, namely these vm-s, when it tells me that the keys are unknown (first time connect) the string shown is something that resembles hex. At ocasions the key was something like: daxart:xaoymp:fdxaialan, as if someone was typing gibberish on the keyboard. Is this related ? |
| 13:29.19 | speakman | sorry for being confusin. I've got a /dev/ttyS0 which has root:root ownership and 600 permission, instead for "dialout" group ownership and rw for that group. It doesn't seem to be anything in /etc/udev/rules.d/* causing this, and now I'd like to know what is causing this file and/or permissions. |
| 13:29.24 | DireFog | you can keep all the configuration files, those are likely pristine. So reinstalling from dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections and then restoring the config should be OK |
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| 13:30.12 | DireFog | Neaai: looks bad for me |
| 13:30.20 | anddam | I've a problem with amule and locales, I reconfigured locales and chose none so my LANG is "C" but in amule I get a "cannot set locale to en_US" error, is this an amule specific issue? |
| 13:30.37 | herakles | Hi, I've installed lenny on my toshiba laptop. And I have a problem with my wifi. The card is Intel pro wireless 4965. I've followed the instructions here: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi Everything seems fine, modules loaded, I can see the card with gnome-network-manager. But it doesn't search (or couldn't find) for networks. |
| 13:30.56 | speakman | anddam: run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:31.03 | Neaai | DireFog: I was suspicious as well. I'm used to see the hex-like keys, but these other ones seemed as if someone was pulling a joke indeed. |
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| 13:31.15 | anddam | speakman: as I wrote I just ran it |
| 13:31.42 | Raven737 | Question: how do i upgrade a sarge server to lenny? (please help, thank you!) |
| 13:32.13 | DireFog | Neaai: I don't really know enough about the internals of OpenSSH to say something definitive about it though |
| 13:32.24 | enouf | anddam: does output of 'locale' show all $VARIABLES as =C ? |
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| 13:32.35 | speakman | anddam: export LANG=C ? |
| 13:32.46 | anddam | speakman: that's already set (as I wrote) |
| 13:32.47 | enouf | Raven737: you'll want to go through Etch to get to Lenny |
| 13:32.50 | DireFog | herakles: have you installed the firmware? Paste some dmesg output |
| 13:32.58 | anddam | enouf: interesting question |
| 13:33.05 | anddam | enouf: how was the turkey btw? |
| 13:33.09 | herakles | DireFog, Yes |
| 13:33.11 | enouf | Raven737: /msg dpkg sarge->etch .. then /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 13:33.15 | Neaai | DireFog: I have saved the --get-selections list of the vm since I put it to work and it's there. I'll save the /etc dir and anything else that is application related, the /var/spool/mail dir and the /home (these I'll search for that freak pscan2) and then redo the vm via debootstrap. |
| 13:33.28 | enouf | anddam: gobbledy-icious :-P |
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| 13:33.51 | DireFog | Neaai: you should be selective with /etc |
| 13:34.10 | DireFog | and be sure to save and databases that may be on there |
| 13:34.23 | DireFog | baaaaaad memories in that department :-/ |
| 13:34.33 | Neaai | DireFog: luckily there's no databases running in that machine. |
| 13:35.11 | Neaai | just smtp/pop3/pop3s |
| 13:35.15 | anddam | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/njnGHQ28.html |
| 13:35.52 | speakman | anyone know how to find out what caused the creation of /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 13:36.23 | enouf | anddam: i'm curious, since amule is java-related? uses java? does it have it's own group? |
| 13:36.27 | DireFog | Neaai: save the whole etc dir, but try first to only copy back the mailserver config dirs. The rootkits are rather simple though, they mostly replace stuff from pstools to hide some process. |
| 13:36.45 | herakles | DireFog, Here is what I get when I remove and reinstall the module: http://pastebin.ca/1268592 |
| 13:36.45 | speakman | apt-get install etckeeper ;) |
| 13:36.48 | DireFog | if you're into forensics, save an image of the VM, and try to reinstall pstools. |
| 13:36.55 | DireFog | Then you can have a look what's running. |
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| 13:37.25 | enouf | anddam: hrm .. try this, export LANGUAGE=C show me ouput of /etc/default/locale and /etc/environment |
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| 13:37.44 | DireFog | herakles: I'll just fire up my laptop for some comparison, but I get considerably more output |
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| 13:37.50 | Neaai | DireFog: This thing I suspect to have, changes attributes too via chattr. An example: s---ia------------ /bin/netstat |
| 13:38.13 | Neaai | DireFog: I can't remove the file without removing those flags first. |
| 13:38.22 | DireFog | Neaai: yeah, that's what they do to prevent overwriting |
| 13:38.29 | enouf | just remove the -i ... or you can't? |
| 13:38.30 | DireFog | so remove the flags |
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| 13:38.43 | anddam | enouf: amule doesn't use java at all, no own group, running as regular user |
| 13:38.49 | herakles | DireFog, I'm on my desktop machine now, I couldn't copy/paste whole lines. But it seems only those 4 lines changing |
| 13:39.11 | Neaai | enouf: on all other machines, these files have no attributes set. This compromised one has them like above, all the involved files. |
| 13:39.15 | enouf | anddam: i must be thinking of some other a-<named> torrenter .. thingamajig |
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| 13:39.37 | enouf | Neaai: can you use chattr to remove the -i flag? |
| 13:39.44 | anddam | enouf: amule isn't a torrent manager |
| 13:39.51 | anddam | enouf: it's a ed2k and kad client |
| 13:39.51 | Neaai | enouf: yes |
| 13:39.55 | enouf | Neaai: as root/sudo, naturally |
| 13:39.59 | DireFog | Neaai: amusingly, that was how I learned about those attributes :-) |
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| 13:40.17 | enouf | anddam: wtf do i know .. :-p |
| 13:40.20 | DireFog | enouf: AFAIK no parameter to rm can override the attributes |
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| 13:40.50 | anddam | enouf: oh I got it, you were thinking of azureus |
| 13:40.53 | enouf | right, remove the flag .. then remove the file ;-) |
| 13:40.59 | enouf | anddam: bingo! |
| 13:41.02 | anddam | bongo |
| 13:41.07 | enouf | !tango |
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| 13:41.23 | DireFog | Neaai: you may want to get binaries for at least chattr, ls, rm from a clean machine |
| 13:41.25 | Neaai | DireFog: me too. Via this pscan2 that by chance showed in my "dmesg" output with a line: pscan2 uses obsolete (PF_INET,SOCK_PACKET) |
| 13:41.55 | abrotman | busybox |
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| 13:42.00 | enouf | anddam: why do you need to set locales to none? |
| 13:42.06 | Neaai | DireFog: that I can do. I have lots of other clean machines to take those from. |
| 13:42.12 | onetinsoldier | hi. according to my firewall logging i keep getting some packets sent to me from an IP. UDP from the IP's port 67 to my port 68, and then somtimes an IGMP packet. I suppose it may be my ISP, but i don't know and i was wondering if someone can help me determine if this is my ISP so i know whether or not to allow connectivity and these packets through my firewall |
| 13:42.14 | enouf | anddam: i mean, can't you select en_US or whatever? |
| 13:42.21 | anddam | enouf: I don't _need_ it |
| 13:42.22 | abrotman | oh .. busybox has no chattr |
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| 13:42.30 | anddam | enouf: you tell me, is en_US safer? |
| 13:42.36 | enouf | safer? |
| 13:42.45 | DireFog | herakles: did you "ifconfig up" the WLAN interface before scanning? |
| 13:42.49 | enouf | i'm going from the error you posted anddam |
| 13:43.33 | Raven737 | enouf: thanks! |
| 13:43.37 | anddam | enouf: I simply never cared about locales, so I tought leaving it unset was fine |
| 13:43.39 | herakles | DireFog, Yes, iwlist wlan0 scan also scans (and finds) the networks around but no luck with gnome-network-manager |
| 13:43.53 | anddam | enouf: btw I always tought C meant US english |
| 13:44.16 | DireFog | urgh network-manager stuff. Sorry, can't help you there, I usually uninstall it first thing after setting up a system. |
| 13:44.25 | enouf | anddam: well .. it's ANSI C, iinm |
| 13:44.58 | herakles | DireFog, How can I connect a wireless network via console? |
| 13:45.00 | craigevil-eee | herakles: try using wifi-radar or wicd, network-manager is buggy |
| 13:45.34 | DireFog | herakles: iwconfig <interface> essid "the-essid-of-the-network" |
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| 13:45.47 | amphi | herakles: iwconfig, wpa_supplicant if you use wpa |
| 13:45.48 | hick0rd | hello everyone, Is there a way to take a hot copy of CVSROOT repositories within a given set of revisions ? |
| 13:45.53 | DireFog | or: iwconfig <interface> ap <mac address> |
| 13:46.36 | herakles | Thank you so much. But where can i give wireless key |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | hick0rd: asked #cvs ? |
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| 13:47.26 | DireFog | herakles: have a look at wpa_supplicant, that has examples in /usr/share/doc |
| 13:47.44 | DireFog | or wpasupplicant, don't know exactly how the package is called |
| 13:47.59 | herakles | DireFog, Thanks again |
| 13:48.01 | DireFog | when you have set it up, it's reasonably easy to use from a console |
| 13:48.32 | DireFog | also, man iwconfig. You can set WEP keys with that as well, but the supplicant works way better. |
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| 13:52.22 | anddam | enouf: but should I have a locale set at all? |
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| 13:58.15 | bluethundr | I think my mail server that I setup using postfix is working.. sorta :) |
| 13:58.34 | bluethundr | I was able to send a mail message to my gmail account from my new mail domain |
| 13:58.39 | bluethundr | and message was received |
| 13:58.52 | bluethundr | however, if I send to other domains like yahoo, the message just never gets there |
| 13:59.14 | bluethundr | also, I switched over to postfix from exim |
| 13:59.40 | bluethundr | and when i load a mail client like mutt or a graphical one like evolution |
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| 13:59.52 | bluethundr | I don't see _any_ new messages sent to that account since I made the switch to postfix |
| 13:59.54 | libertad0 | I want to disable internet access for only one machine by ssh router. Some idea? |
| 14:00.07 | bluethundr | yet, if I send from an external account to my new domain |
| 14:00.13 | bluethundr | I do not get a bounce |
| 14:00.16 | DireFog | bluethundr: check spam at the receiving side |
| 14:00.24 | abrotman | libertad0: iptables ? |
| 14:00.34 | libertad0 | abrotman: some sample? |
| 14:00.42 | abrotman | see netfilter.org |
| 14:00.50 | libertad0 | iptables -s machine-ip -j DROP |
| 14:00.53 | libertad0 | ? |
| 14:00.58 | abrotman | or ask #iptables |
| 14:01.29 | DireFog | bluethundr: also, how are you delivering mail locally? maildrop? |
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| 14:02.25 | dustybin | if i execute a command with -v, how could i send the log into a txt file? |
| 14:02.36 | dustybin | 2> log.txt <-- like that? |
| 14:02.45 | masus | hi all, my date is always changing after reboot , i have set my zones with tzselect and hav no ntp , ntpdate installed . and my bios datetime is set correct does aynone know why its changing ? Thanks |
| 14:03.41 | bluethundr | to Maildir/ I believe |
| 14:03.49 | bluethundr | if I am answering your question correctly |
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| 14:05.33 | abrotman | bluethundr: the mail.log is a good place to check to see if it has shown u |
| 14:05.36 | abrotman | up |
| 14:05.51 | bluethundr | thanks |
| 14:05.58 | bluethundr | I'll have a look |
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| 14:08.33 | masus | and hwclock --systohc -> select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out , give me this result |
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| 14:09.58 | Neaai | DireFog: While I'm preparing the new xen vm, I wonder, my dom0 uses kernel 2.6.18-3-xen-686 and in the domU I have put copies of that installation's /boot/ and also /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-xen-686. dom0 and domUs are all etch. Could I try to debootstrap a lenny domU under that existing dom0 ? |
| 14:10.03 | bluethundr | hmmm.... this is an interesting entry in my logs |
| 14:10.14 | bluethundr | Nov 27 08:56:24 nylsd postfix/smtp[6375]: D4AD212408C: host f.mx.mail.yahoo.com[209.191.88.247] refused to talk to me: 553 Mail from 69.125.119.184 not allowed - 5.7.1 [BL21] Connections not accepted from IP addresses on Spamhaus PBL; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/550-bl21.html [550] |
| 14:10.50 | abrotman | your IP is dynamic |
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| 14:11.15 | abrotman | and i wouldn't accept mail from your either |
| 14:11.32 | joshux | how to install doesemu without X ? |
| 14:11.46 | bluethundr | I'm getting a static this tuesday. :) |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | joshux: it doesn't install X |
| 14:12.13 | abrotman | bluethundr: well, it's going to be a problem til then |
| 14:12.21 | pickcoder | bluethundr: stop by the spamhaus web site to read about the PBL |
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| 14:12.40 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 14:13.00 | gypsymauro | there is a way to revert password from the passwd file? |
| 14:13.08 | bluethundr | thanks for the tip |
| 14:13.50 | tralala | gypsymauro, no |
| 14:13.57 | Neaai | gypsymauro: there is no password info in the /etc/passwd file. You want to check /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- (the later is a backup) |
| 14:14.03 | pickcoder | I use the zen data service from them and it rarely blocks valid hosts |
| 14:14.07 | bluethundr | any idea why I'm not GETTING mail though? nevermind sending for a moment |
| 14:14.10 | gypsymauro | Neaai: of course |
| 14:14.11 | abrotman | pickcoder: it's not a valid host |
| 14:14.21 | bluethundr | as I said I don't get bounces when I send to that address |
| 14:14.40 | bluethundr | I was able to get mail when I was using exim |
| 14:14.43 | pickcoder | it's a valid host but it's part of a dynamic block that has been reported repeatedly as spam source |
| 14:14.51 | abrotman | right .. not a valid host |
| 14:14.52 | lazyfrosch | i have a strang problem connecting to an old fedora from my debian ws - http://pastebin.com/m60079896 - anyone has an idea? |
| 14:15.04 | pickcoder | he just has the bad luck of being in that block |
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| 14:15.33 | bluethundr | ahhhh |
| 14:15.37 | bluethundr | interesting |
| 14:15.38 | abrotman | he said it was dynamic |
| 14:15.39 | pickcoder | bluethundr: what MTA |
| 14:15.46 | bluethundr | postfix currently |
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| 14:15.53 | pickcoder | stop in #postfix |
| 14:15.55 | assignme | whats a good smtp server for etch? |
| 14:16.05 | abrotman | exim or postfix |
| 14:16.10 | pickcoder | and explain the issue |
| 14:16.22 | bluethundr | sounds good |
| 14:16.31 | pickcoder | is biased towards postfix :) |
| 14:16.34 | bluethundr | last time I stopped in #postfix it wasn't terribly populated |
| 14:16.40 | assignme | ok. which do i want. I need one for phpBB and i have google sending my @mydomain.com email |
| 14:16.46 | pickcoder | I just logged on. :) |
| 14:16.48 | bluethundr | yeah, I think I'm biased to postfix at this point |
| 14:16.56 | bluethundr | exim was supposed to be easiest to setup |
| 14:17.06 | bluethundr | but I was NOT able to get it to route mail off my local domain |
| 14:17.07 | pickcoder | others are probably still sleeping or off |
| 14:17.11 | bluethundr | but postfix is |
| 14:17.21 | pickcoder | Sarah likes the enter key.... |
| 14:17.53 | pickcoder | needs a kid corral |
| 14:17.57 | bluethundr | probably...... there's always someone here in this debian room... which is why I usually like to at least poke my nose in here first :) |
| 14:18.04 | abrotman | pickcoder: uh .. sell them |
| 14:18.12 | bluethundr | actually I have a distribution specific question |
| 14:18.21 | pickcoder | abrotman: funny |
| 14:18.26 | bluethundr | when I was running an older version of debian years ago |
| 14:18.28 | abrotman | pickcoder: i wasn't joking! :) |
| 14:18.31 | pickcoder | if they weren't so much fun 50% of the time I may consider it |
| 14:18.41 | bluethundr | I was able to edit /etc/inittab to change the runlevel |
| 14:18.47 | abrotman | pickcoder: maybe you can rent them out for the 50% of the time they aren't fun ? |
| 14:18.51 | bluethundr | to one that didn't activate x |
| 14:18.57 | abrotman | bluethundr: Debian is not RH |
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| 14:19.04 | bluethundr | but now there seems to be /etc/inittab |
| 14:19.06 | OpenTokix | abrotman: thank god |
| 14:19.06 | bluethundr | indeed |
| 14:19.09 | pickcoder | abrotman: there is a ScreenGems studio in Wilmington |
| 14:19.14 | abrotman | run levels 2-5 are the same by default in Debian |
| 14:19.16 | pickcoder | and they are really cute! |
| 14:19.23 | pickcoder | rent-a-baby |
| 14:19.47 | bluethundr | ideally I would like to not run x by default... but only at times when I feel I need it |
| 14:19.58 | pickcoder | don't install the <x>dm |
| 14:19.58 | bluethundr | generally so I can run my server without the overhead of having to run a gui |
| 14:20.02 | pickcoder | gdm/kdm/etc |
| 14:20.07 | abrotman | !tell bluethundr about nodm |
| 14:20.25 | pickcoder | bluethundr: pastebin your main.cf |
| 14:20.28 | pickcoder | bbias |
| 14:20.30 | bluethundr | well, that's just it. I don't want to NEVER have X |
| 14:20.34 | bluethundr | sure thing |
| 14:20.36 | bluethundr | thanks |
| 14:20.52 | bluethundr | you mean for my postfix problem? |
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| 14:26.21 | pickcoder | bluethundr: I would hope so |
| 14:26.24 | abrotman | bluethundr: your main.cf won'g affect X :) |
| 14:26.28 | pickcoder | I can't use it for much else |
| 14:26.37 | bluethundr | hehe.. |
| 14:26.43 | bluethundr | silly question. |
| 14:27.08 | bluethundr | just had a phone call......grabbing it now |
| 14:27.23 | onetinsoldier | could someone help me understand the following log message i'm getting from my firewall? i am pretty sure it's coming from my isp's bootpc server, but i don't really understand what it's all about. the message is a little long, i hope it's ok |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: paste.debian.net |
| 14:28.06 | pickcoder | or experience the wrath of debhelper |
| 14:28.08 | bluethundr | right.. on it |
| 14:28.20 | onetinsoldier | how long should it be to need to use the paste server? |
| 14:29.01 | pickcoder | if you can't retype it on one line within a reasonable time frame |
| 14:29.03 | pickcoder | ") |
| 14:29.13 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 14:29.21 | bluethundr | hehe |
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| 14:29.50 | onetinsoldier | it's not incredibly long.. but l'll try the paste server |
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| 14:32.18 | onetinsoldier | is there a problem with paste.debian.net? server failed auth.. and i now have this as the web page... The Black Sun - Last Blog entry... etc, ect... |
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| 14:33.13 | abrotman | i think you mistyped it .. works fine here |
| 14:33.17 | amphi | onetinsoldier: looks fine here |
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| 14:33.19 | onetinsoldier | ok.. trying again |
| 14:33.25 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/22374 |
| 14:33.25 | abrotman | see |
| 14:33.40 | onetinsoldier | yep.. that link worked.. hmmm |
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| 14:34.30 | bluethundr | sorry for the delay |
| 14:34.32 | bluethundr | http://paste.debian.net/22375/ |
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| 14:38.33 | pickcoder | bluethundr: set /etc/mailname to your FQDN for your mail server |
| 14:38.45 | pickcoder | you do not have a dns entry for mail.nylsd.com |
| 14:38.51 | pickcoder | so you can only send mail to nylsd.com |
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| 14:39.02 | jerojasro | hi all. can anyone recommend a good book about iptables? |
| 14:39.08 | Raven737 | Hi again, want to upgrade 3.1 to newest but the upgrade instructions in the release notes does not work for me since the apt list references sarge/main which doesn't exist anymore... what to do? :( |
| 14:39.16 | pickcoder | never mind it just resolved |
| 14:39.38 | asg | jerojasro: there is a decent no starch press book about building linux firewalls that covers iptables extensively |
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| 14:40.06 | asg | jerojasro: http://nostarch.com/firewalls.htm |
| 14:40.36 | onetinsoldier | could someone help me understand the following log message i'm getting from my firewall? i am pretty sure it's coming from my isp's bootpc server, but i don't really understand what it's all about and i am just curious |
| 14:40.40 | onetinsoldier | http://paste.debian.net/22376/ |
| 14:41.01 | themill | Raven737: what's the output of: cat /etc/debian_version ; dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ; uname -r |
| 14:41.20 | pickcoder | blubberdiblub: set myhostname to /etc/mailname and make /etc/mailname proper |
| 14:41.23 | pickcoder | if it's not |
| 14:41.31 | pickcoder | myhostname = $myorigin |
| 14:41.36 | pickcoder | $myorigin = /etc/mailname |
| 14:41.44 | Raven737 | 3.1 |
| 14:41.44 | Raven737 | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 14:41.44 | Raven737 | 2.4.27-3-686-smp |
| 14:42.22 | enouf | ahh .. you have the entire udev/hotplug thing to go through yet :-P |
| 14:42.35 | stew | Raven737: you can use http://archive.debian.org/debian for a sarge mirror |
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| 14:43.07 | pickcoder | bluethundr: type !cheatsheet in #postfix to see a sample UCE config to filter spam |
| 14:43.08 | jerojasro | asg: thanks, will look into it |
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| 14:43.21 | Raven737 | stew: thanks! so i just edit all the sources to that? |
| 14:43.32 | hikenboot | hello all I am trying to get bootchart to work to increase debian boot speed but the website for rendering the charts is down is there a package alternative to this site I was told something about a java applet or somthing |
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| 14:44.02 | stew | Raven737: yes, just use that as the url and leave "sarge main contrib" or whatever on the rest of the line the same |
| 14:44.04 | themill | Raven737: you should be able to upgrade from sarge to etch without having a sarge mirror though. |
| 14:44.27 | DireFog | Neaai: I have no idea about Xen. I gave up on it when I realized that even the most recent dom0 kernels would have required heavy backporting to run on my hardware. |
| 14:44.34 | jerojasro | and how about network administration on linux? |
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| 14:44.57 | craigevil-eee | hikenboot: why do you need bootchart to boot faster? get rid of services you dont need |
| 14:45.01 | jerojasro | something like the big brother of Linux advanced routing howto... |
| 14:45.06 | Raven737 | themill: hmm probably i edited the sources list to a specific release (sarge).. maybe if i just exchange it to stable it would work? |
| 14:45.28 | Neaai | DireFog: I see. It has been ok for me so long. |
| 14:45.48 | enouf | stew: and themill just a fyi, Raven737 was here about an hour or so ago, and asked, i told /msg dpkg sarge->etch , then /msg dpkg etch->lenny .. seems like he's following ;-) |
| 14:45.53 | hikenboot | craigevil, I want to get this box to boot in under 5 seconds ...boot chart will help me do that |
| 14:46.11 | enouf | Raven737: Etch is the current Stable. so no |
| 14:46.39 | enouf | Raven737: i mean; no, it wouldn't be the same as getting a Sarge fully up-to-date |
| 14:46.50 | enouf | gah ... |
| 14:47.17 | enouf | Raven737: i mean; no, it wouldn't be the same as getting a Sarge fully up-to-date with Sarge's latest releases .. from then which you would dist-upgrade to Etch |
| 14:47.32 | craigevil-eee | to text mode maybe, take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup |
| 14:47.53 | hikenboot | thanks |
| 14:48.09 | wiedenma1n | http://www.semicomplete.com/articles/ppp-over-ssh/ I am looking for a program called ppp and a file ppp.conf. I was looking at man pppd but couldnt find the commands mentioned in the text: e.g. I couldnt find set ifaddr or set dial in man pppd. Is debians pppd the same as ppp (in the text)? |
| 14:48.19 | stew | Raven737: we'd recommend sticking with release names instead of using "stable" or "testing" in sources.list |
| 14:48.42 | pikudo | hi ... how to do chmod +x permanent? |
| 14:49.26 | SystemFAILURE | pikudo:: what do you mean ? |
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| 14:49.56 | Raven737 | so should i use the archive to get sarge fully up to date, then edit sources to etch and do dist-upgrade etc? |
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| 14:50.54 | pikudo | once I chmod +x file is executable, after reboot it's not |
| 14:51.05 | a-9 | Hello. |
| 14:51.14 | RichiH | pikudo: what file? |
| 14:51.26 | Piper69 | Good Mornings all |
| 14:52.10 | pickcoder | Raven737: you should move to the 2.6 kernel first |
| 14:52.10 | a-9 | How come my system does not have /dev/dsp ? |
| 14:52.12 | tralala | how many mornings? |
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| 14:52.20 | pickcoder | and upgrade fully on sarge |
| 14:52.23 | frol_ | hallo |
| 14:52.26 | pikudo | myscript.sh |
| 14:52.32 | hikenboot | a-9 use mknod |
| 14:52.44 | pickcoder | you'll probably have to fix your ethernet devices if you have more than one active |
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| 14:53.04 | tralala | a-9, because you don't have the oss emulation modules loaded |
| 14:53.17 | tralala | a-9, do you really need /dev/dsp? |
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| 14:53.21 | themill | a-9: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 14:53.23 | Raven737 | stew,themill,enouf&pickcoder: thank you for the help, i'll use the archive to get up to date and install 2.6 image, then i'll see from there ;) |
| 14:53.28 | a-9 | Yes. I need. |
| 14:53.41 | tralala | then do what themill says |
| 14:53.45 | Raven737 | uhm i mean get sarge up to newest |
| 14:53.56 | Raven737 | sarge version |
| 14:54.03 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 14:54.09 | Raven737 | thanks!! |
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| 14:54.27 | pickcoder | you definately want to install the 2.6. kernel from sarge though |
| 14:54.35 | pickcoder | it'll help the dist upgrade go better |
| 14:54.45 | frol_ | does somebody know a channel for grid-topics? |
| 14:55.06 | a-9 | I loaded it and still no /dev/dsp |
| 14:55.10 | themill | pickcoder: is that necessary? |
| 14:55.36 | pickcoder | the last dist-upgrade I did from 2.4 broke the kernel |
| 14:55.37 | stew | yes, unless you are going to pull in the initrd builders and grub from etch first |
| 14:55.43 | themill | pickcoder: I understood from the release notes that you could go from sarge's 2.4 kernel to etch's 2.6 kernel in one jump, but I've never done it myself. |
| 14:55.47 | stew | and udev... |
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| 14:55.52 | themill | ahh |
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| 14:56.07 | a-9 | Gtick (metronome) says: Couldn't start metronome. Please check if specified sound device and sample file are accessible. By default it uses /dev/dsp. |
| 14:56.17 | onetinsoldier | could someone help me understand the following log message i'm getting from my firewall? i am pretty sure it's coming from my isp's bootpc server, but i don't really understand what it's all about and i am just curious |
| 14:56.18 | onetinsoldier | http://paste.debian.net/22376/ |
| 14:56.35 | amphi | a-9: is the module snd_pcm_oss loaded? |
| 14:57.38 | a-9 | amphi: http://pastebin.com/m6d8dd0c0 |
| 14:58.02 | cire | is there a good channel concerning grid computing? |
| 14:58.49 | amphi | a-9: no simple 'yes' or 'no' ? :) |
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| 14:58.57 | BigLuks | hi all |
| 14:58.58 | a-9 | amphi: haha. yes. |
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| 14:59.11 | WindowsForever | yeah vive linux |
| 14:59.25 | BigLuks | any can tell me a packet name or a programm to set up my own .deb packet server? |
| 14:59.26 | amphi | a-9: so /dev/dsp exists? it should |
| 14:59.36 | WindowsForever | fuck linux |
| 14:59.38 | d-b | WindowsForever: if you plan to be a troll, leave now |
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| 14:59.48 | themill | thanks, stew |
| 14:59.50 | Piper69 | WindowsForever: then why are you here |
| 14:59.59 | stew | please ignore him and move on |
| 15:00.09 | Piper69 | stew: kick WindowsForever froom here |
| 15:00.14 | onetinsoldier | he did |
| 15:00.16 | a-9 | amphi: Now it showed up. Thanks for your help. |
| 15:00.18 | a-9 | :) |
| 15:00.26 | Piper69 | good |
| 15:00.26 | onetinsoldier | he kicked the guy right away |
| 15:00.39 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: do you sleep buddy |
| 15:00.48 | Piper69 | :) |
| 15:01.00 | onetinsoldier | not today i haven't, but yeah, i usually do |
| 15:01.21 | amphi | a-9: /dev/dsp is created by snd_pcm_oss |
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| 15:01.51 | a-9 | amphi: Thanks for that piece of information. Since I'm a musician, it is a good thing to know. :) |
| 15:01.53 | Piper69 | coz i was going to say u r 25/7 here .... |
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| 15:02.21 | BigLuks | anyone can tell me a packet name or a programm to set up my own .deb packet server? |
| 15:02.27 | amphi | a-9: generally, programs should use the alsa devices, /dev/snd/foo, I believe |
| 15:02.31 | BigLuks | or maybe there is even a good tutorial out there |
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| 15:02.50 | onetinsoldier | today(or yesterday, however you want to call it) is the only time i've been here for looong preiod of time |
| 15:02.57 | a-9 | I din't have /dev/snd* |
| 15:02.59 | onetinsoldier | period* |
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| 15:03.20 | amphi | a-9: /dev/snd should be a directory |
| 15:03.30 | a-9 | ls /dev/snd/ |
| 15:03.31 | a-9 | controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D1p seq timer |
| 15:03.34 | a-9 | I had. |
| 15:03.39 | a-9 | Sorry. |
| 15:04.21 | tummyacid | quick question, i hope this is the right place for it. I have a RAID1 managed with mdadm made up of two hard drives. I wanted to back this up onto an additional hard drive so i added a new block device and set it active so that it gets a mirror, now whats the best way to remove that drive so I can move it to an offsit location? |
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| 15:05.30 | rhineheart_m | how to remove files (totally and all their configurations and folders)? I used apt-get in installing |
| 15:05.44 | pickcoder | !tell BigLuks about repository |
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| 15:06.49 | pickcoder | rhineheart_m: man apt-get and look for purge |
| 15:07.12 | Vorbote | rhineheart_m: apt-get remove --purge, or in recent versions apt-get purge works as well. |
| 15:07.23 | rhineheart_m | pickcoder, thank you |
| 15:07.37 | bluethundr | pickcoder: thanks for your help. sorry I had to step out there for a moment |
| 15:07.58 | BigLuks | thanks pickcoder |
| 15:08.24 | datacrusher | the architecture |
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| 15:09.28 | pickcoder | tummyacid: rsync isn't good enough to back up the root? |
| 15:09.37 | pickcoder | I don't understand why you added it to the md array |
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| 15:10.59 | bluethundr | pickcoder: I don't have a dns entry for mail.nylsd.com ? |
| 15:11.09 | bluethundr | how is it that I can ping it then? o.O |
| 15:11.15 | pickcoder | bluethundr: I said never mind |
| 15:11.25 | onetinsoldier | could someone help me understand the following log message i'm getting from my firewall? i am pretty sure it's coming from my isp's bootpc server, but i don't really understand what it's all about and i am just curious |
| 15:11.25 | pickcoder | I found the MX entry too |
| 15:11.28 | onetinsoldier | http://paste.debian.net/22376/ |
| 15:11.33 | bluethundr | ah nice |
| 15:11.36 | pickcoder | my only guess is your server name |
| 15:11.46 | pickcoder | it really should be FQDN |
| 15:11.47 | wiedenma1n | Can you pleace have a look at http://www.semicomplete.com/articles/ppp-over-ssh/ and tell me whether this ppp is the same as debians pppd. |
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| 15:12.09 | tummyacid | pickcode: ive never used rsynch tobackup, it will make a bit-for-bit copy |
| 15:12.10 | bluethundr | I did create a file called /etc/mailname |
| 15:12.14 | tummyacid | ? |
| 15:12.18 | bluethundr | with my mail server's fqdn |
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| 15:13.08 | pickcoder | bluethundr: myhostname was "nylsd" |
| 15:13.10 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: 96.152.56.1 is owned by Comcast IP Services, L.L.C., and appears to be in Colorado. |
| 15:13.11 | pickcoder | which isn't FQND |
| 15:13.20 | pickcoder | that's what postfix tells the client |
| 15:13.23 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 15:13.58 | bluethundr | where is the entry myhostname ? |
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| 15:14.11 | Vorbote | tummyacid: rsync will make an incremental copy with archival settings by default. If you want an image copy, you can add the needed extra flags to the command line (rsync --help will go a long way). |
| 15:14.15 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: and yes, it does indeed appear to be using the bootp ports. |
| 15:14.22 | tummyacid | ty, ill check it out |
| 15:14.34 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: If you're in or near Colorado, then that's likely your dhcp server. |
| 15:14.55 | Vorbote | onetinsoldier: and the 224/8 range is the default multicast address. |
| 15:15.05 | tummyacid | so i wonder how i should get this extra device off my raid now... |
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| 15:15.44 | onetinsoldier | PinkFreud: roger... but what's the 'DROP IN' part of the message about... i'm trying to set up my firewall so that it isn't logging these message from it all the time, like constantly doing right now. |
| 15:15.57 | onetinsoldier | like it's* |
| 15:16.22 | onetinsoldier | i've been working on it and i might have it figured out.. not sure yet tho |
| 15:16.31 | Vorbote | tummyacid: you never stated if you wanted a backup copy or duplicate your RAID somewhere else. rsync will help to copy the data to a third disk, not necessarily on the same machine. For RAID duplication, that needs a bit of black magic with degraded RAID settings |
| 15:17.13 | Vorbote | and compatible hardware... |
| 15:17.19 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: DROPPED means your firewall dropped it. |
| 15:17.44 | PinkFreud | the next part is IN=eth0 which indicates that it came in via your first NIC |
| 15:17.49 | tummyacid | well honestly, i just wanted a copy of most of the data inthe raid... i thought it would be easy to just add a third device, after the raid was updated on it(it was in degraded mode all night) now i want to take the volumn out of the array, but keepthe data on it |
| 15:17.55 | tummyacid | ill use rsync next time for sure |
| 15:18.41 | onetinsoldier | PinkFreud: ah-ha, thanks. again, i am trying to get my firewall log to where it isn't constantly logging a messge from it |
| 15:19.31 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: as for how to not drop it, simply add a rule somewhere above the rule which drops other packets which either specifically allows traffic from that host via those udp ports, or allows traffic from that network. |
| 15:19.47 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: you probably don't want to drop it to begin with. :) |
| 15:19.49 | tummyacid | as a last resort, i could just unplug the external drive and simulate a drive failure... i just hoped there was a cleaner way to do it |
| 15:20.08 | onetinsoldier | PinkFreud: yeah, that's what i was thinking too. |
| 15:20.18 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: Your firewall probably has a LOG and a DROP rule which causes it to log dropped packets. |
| 15:20.32 | Vorbote | tummyacid: Hmmm.... If it is a RAID1 setting, it usually is a 2 HD affair with one mirroring the other. You drop the second disk and declare the RAID degraded. Then you plug a new disk with the same especifications or (using mdadm as you did) a set of partitions with identical sizes to the disk you removed. You integrate the disk into the array and allow it to sync. |
| 15:20.36 | PinkFreud | If you add the above rule, it'll no longer be logged *or* dropped :) |
| 15:21.19 | tummyacid | verbote: ya that sounds like what ive got, except i never dropped the second disk, i just added a third |
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| 15:21.35 | onetinsoldier | PinkFreud: yes, correct. i set it to not log.. but i want it to log. i am trying to get it set up where it does not drop 'anything' from the bootpc server |
| 15:21.47 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: again, don't worry about logging. |
| 15:21.57 | onetinsoldier | PinkFreud: ooops. sorry, very tired here |
| 15:21.57 | tummyacid | then i changed it from a spare to active andnow as i understand it, it also has a mirror as well as the two original drives |
| 15:22.07 | tummyacid | i just want tobe able to take this copy off site |
| 15:22.16 | PinkFreud | onetinsoldier: if you add a rule specifically allowing that host to send traffic from udp 67 to udp 68, it won't be logged. |
| 15:22.33 | Vorbote | tummyacid: Hmm... I'm not sure how to do it off-hand but you should be able to drop the third disk and declare that the RAID has only two disks. (I hope) |
| 15:22.37 | onetinsoldier | PinkFreud: i meant to say that.. i can set the firewall to not log.. but i want it to log |
| 15:22.41 | Piper69 | i am trying to install irssi and i am getting this The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:22.42 | Piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.27 | PinkFreud | Piper69: sounds like you have a conflict. Try using aptitude to install it - aptitude get irssi |
| 15:23.29 | tummyacid | ya thats what i am going to do, do i need to --grow -n 2 the raid back down to two devices? or will it be happy |
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| 15:23.51 | Vorbote | tummyacid: do it explicitly. |
| 15:24.11 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: sounds like you have a package that depends on the current version of perl that you have installed |
| 15:24.18 | tummyacid | like mdadm --grow /dev/md9 -n 2 --force |
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| 15:25.03 | Vorbote | tummyacid: yes. And let's cross our fingers... You have the third disk to rebuild the RAID anyways ;-) |
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| 15:25.36 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: that worked, aptitude install irssi |
| 15:25.48 | tummyacid | ok, its complaining about device or resource busy, perhaps i need to close the shells that are on the disk, which includes this one |
| 15:25.54 | tummyacid | brb guys, ill let you know how it goes |
| 15:26.51 | onetinsoldier | PinkFreud: thanks for looking at my paste and helping with the message about 'drop' and 'in'. that helped.. i'm still working with my firewall config on it |
| 15:28.42 | Vorbote | onetinsoldier: You can use fwbuilder to create your firewall and then by studying the generated script you can obtain deeper understanding of the actual iptables commands. |
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| 15:29.11 | onetinsoldier | PinkFreud: i have gotten the UDP stuff to quit being dropped and the log messages have slowed down a lot.. but something is still being dropped from it |
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| 15:29.54 | onetinsoldier | it's the IGMP packet that's being dropped |
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| 15:31.33 | PinkFreud | np |
| 15:31.33 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
| 15:31.49 | onetinsoldier | anyone know how to allow IGMP packets? |
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| 15:39.28 | petemc | onetinsoldier: whats not allowing them? |
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| 15:41.10 | onetinsoldier | my firewall... guarddog. i've got it to allow the udp packets from my isp's bootpc server now so the flood of messages i was getting in my logs has slowed... but it still droppping something from that server, the igmp packets. messages are a lot slower now tho |
| 15:41.46 | tummyacid | looks like igot it to work |
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| 15:43.11 | tummyacid | ok i got it to work |
| 15:43.21 | tummyacid | since the raid is mounted as /home |
| 15:43.21 | TheBlasphemer | How can I enlarge an ext2 formatted device-file (or however you call a file with an ext2 partition inside) ? |
| 15:43.36 | TheBlasphemer | I've tried parted, but it complains that the file isn't big enough :( |
| 15:43.48 | petemc | TheBlasphemer: resize2fs ? |
| 15:43.55 | tummyacid | i had to reboot into single user mode, umount home, stop the raid, rebuild it, and then i could do --grow -n 2 |
| 15:44.34 | tummyacid | seems its happy now, but ihavnet verified the contents of the now fresh backup |
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| 15:47.48 | tummyacid | and i will use rsync next time |
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| 15:48.09 | tummyacid | thanks for the help guys, catch ya later |
| 15:48.21 | tummyacid | and those in the US, have a happy thanksgiving |
| 15:48.28 | pickcoder | gobble gobble |
| 15:48.45 | tummyacid | time for me tocook potatos |
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| 15:49.21 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 15:50.05 | pickcoder | cheers |
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| 15:51.09 | frold | Does anyone know a good web based alternativ for system administration like Webmin - It have to be open Source |
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| 16:09.42 | onetinsoldier | anyone know how to allow IGMP packets from a server through an iptables firewall ? |
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| 16:10.05 | abrotman | did you ask #iptables ? |
| 16:10.05 | jessie_morris | hello all |
| 16:10.15 | petemc | onetinsoldier: -p IGMP |
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| 16:10.22 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: nope.. i'll try it |
| 16:10.28 | TheBlasphemer | petemc: Thanks, resize2fs worked like a charm :) |
| 16:10.34 | abrotman | !tell onetinsoldier about iptables |
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| 16:10.56 | jessie_morris | so I have a Sony SDT-10000 SCSI tape drive. It shows up on my SCSI controller card, but I cannot find it once I boot up the Debian Box. I'm running Etch with all updates. |
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| 16:11.09 | TheBlasphemer | Don't suppose any of you guys know how to get information about an ISO (I extracted an ISO, added files, made a new one using mkisofs, but the live CD doesn't recognize it anymore, I want to check what the difference is between the original and the new) |
| 16:12.00 | jessie_morris | TheBlasphemer: I would take a look at k3b. It's a great program. Try making your ISO in there.... It can also open the ISO's though I don't know if it can compare two.... |
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| 16:12.32 | yopyop | hey, is that possible to do a double mount on nfs ie : i mount A:/foo to B:/bar and B:/bar to C:/mnt ? i got error when i mount C:/mnt, im getting a permission denied by B and in B log it says that mount request has been validated, any clue ? |
| 16:13.06 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: what LiveCD? and why does a LiveCD need to recognize an ISO? |
| 16:13.15 | jessie_morris | yopyop: Use symbolic links. ln -s A:/foo B:/bar |
| 16:13.50 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: 'isoinfo -i filename.iso' for general info.. or 'file filename.iso' |
| 16:13.57 | jessie_morris | so I have a Sony SDT-10000 SCSI tape drive. It shows up on my SCSI controller card, but I cannot find it once I boot up the Debian Box. I'm running Etch with all updates. |
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| 16:16.54 | enouf | jessie_morris: hrm, are scsi_mod, sd_mod, sr_mod, and maybe st loaded? |
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| 16:17.21 | enouf | aren't some seen as /dev/mt or something? .. bah |
| 16:17.37 | enouf | jessie_morris: anything in dmesg about it? |
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| 16:18.53 | Kim5 | anyone want to help me????? |
| 16:18.58 | TheBlasphemer | enouf: the live.linux-gamers.net Live DVD, I modified it (added some extra files), but now during boot it complains that it can't recognize the DVD in the drive :( |
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| 16:19.13 | Kim5 | pleaze |
| 16:19.30 | jessie_morris | enouf: all those mod's are present and loaded. |
| 16:19.37 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: the isolinux stuff gets changed ... as does the boot.cat file stuffs .. you'd know this especially if you did man mkisofs/genisoimage and noticed the -boot-* options |
| 16:20.13 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: well, then you either a) failed to create a compliant Bootable ISO, or b) you burned it incorrectly |
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| 16:20.42 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: you can find a nice line to do it at syslinux.zytor.com - note the isolinux info pages |
| 16:20.46 | TheBlasphemer | enouf: It boots, comes up with the boot screen, but halfway through the boot process ArchLinux complains. And I didn't write the DVD yet, I'm using VMWare to test |
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| 16:20.55 | enouf | ... |
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| 16:21.13 | jessie_morris | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1268705 |
| 16:21.19 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: what the F is archlinux got to do with this? |
| 16:21.29 | TheBlasphemer | enouf: That's what the LiveDVD uses :/ |
| 16:21.30 | jessie_morris | that's the relevent dmesg stuff. i don't think that it's getting found at all... |
| 16:21.40 | jpinx | you might want to add a comment/advice on dpkg's reply to etch->lenny to say that dualboot systems will be borked if etch was not top of the list in grub. |
| 16:21.41 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: just follow up on what i told you ... |
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| 16:23.03 | enouf | jessie_morris: sorry - i've not had to deal with any scsi tape drives (and i'm likely missing the really relevant module) ... but i read a lot ;-) Might find /Documentation/devices.txt relevant for some info .. |
| 16:23.29 | TheBlasphemer | enouf: I am already using the mkisofs flags to tell it to make a bootable DVD, it actually boots, starts up the Live ArchLinux image, but then halfway through the booting it complains that it can't find the DVD and as such can't mount the necesarry filesystems |
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| 16:24.19 | jessie_morris | enouf: I think it might be something to do with the controller. I think I'll throw an Adaptec into a different machine and see if I can't get it to work... Thanks though! :) |
| 16:24.57 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: that sounds like it might be an initrd issue, .. like the Archlinux installation/livecd doesn't have proper support loading for your block device controllers, and/or for / FS |
| 16:25.51 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: IOW, for ex; on Debian, sometimes certain boot params need to be passed to say the Etch installer for it to recognize SATA attached devices when in PATA mode |
| 16:26.41 | TheBlasphemer | enouf: the original DVD works, a changed one doesn't, while I haven't changed anything, only added a diretory. Anyway, I'm making another DVD without the Joliet extension and with the same label as the original ISO, maybe that'll fix it :/ |
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| 16:27.48 | medc | hello, anyone knows a good page for samba setup (lenny) |
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| 16:30.32 | Element14 | anybody good with modems/vgetty? |
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| 16:34.01 | stevedondley | I'd to install the Sort::Naturally perl module but it does not exist as a debian package. What's the easiest way to install from cpan? |
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| 16:35.13 | yopyop | anyone to help me with nfs problem ? i ask 15 min ago and solution which was given does not work |
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| 16:37.47 | themill | stevedondley: dh-make-perl is the best tool for this -- it makes a debian package for you by downloading the source from CPAN |
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| 16:39.41 | medc | i started my SAMBA server but the guys from XP cannot access my files, windows request them a user and a password |
| 16:39.43 | medc | any help? |
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| 16:40.08 | frukt_ | hello #debian. i've upgraded from etch to lenny, and user authentication against LDAP has stopped working. syslog contains this message: "pam_ldap: ldap_starttls_s: Connect error". the server requires confidentiality, so TLS cannot be turned off. has anything changed in pam_ldap or libldap in lenny? the configuration is the same. |
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| 16:42.30 | ComradeHaz | Hello everyone. I'm about to embark on an install to an 8GB memory stick. Can anyone make any suggestions for what partitions I should make and what size I should make them? It's my intention to make /home fat32 so it can be read by anymachine even if the stick is not booted.. |
| 16:42.59 | stevedondley | themill: ok, I will try that out. thanks |
| 16:43.00 | ComradeHaz | I think, unless there is a reason I shouldn't I'll use LVM too.. |
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| 16:44.25 | TheBlasphemer | enouf: Yay! traced it! apparently the Live DVD tries to mount itself with -t udf, and that fails :) |
| 16:44.29 | TheBlasphemer | At least now I know where it's going wrong |
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| 16:45.38 | d-b | TheBlasphemer: please reportbug / check if it is aknown issue |
| 16:46.16 | TheBlasphemer | d-b: Not a debian issue :) |
| 16:46.32 | ioudas | im having a hard time adding a vsftpd user in debian 4.0. I cant get it to map to a apache install |
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| 16:46.58 | ioudas | does anyone have some sites or a direction to point me |
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| 16:47.19 | george_ | why i canĆĀ“t delete files in that partition ? UUID=4872-1AAC /mnt/dados vfat defaults,umask=000,uid=500,shortname=winnt 0 0 |
| 16:47.26 | d-b | ioudas: what do you want to do exactly ? |
| 16:47.40 | ioudas | i need to make a ftp user with a home dir of a directory in apache |
| 16:47.44 | ioudas | so i can ftp files right there |
| 16:47.55 | ioudas | i installed vsftpd |
| 16:47.56 | george_ | i already have set the uid , and the umask ... what else should i do ? |
| 16:47.59 | d-b | ioudas: try sftp instead. |
| 16:48.16 | d-b | or user apce home dirs. |
| 16:48.18 | davidisko | guys is there any usable vncviewer (client) in debian lenny? cause i can't find something usable. |
| 16:48.19 | ioudas | I dont really know about sftp it works from standard clients |
| 16:48.40 | ioudas | yeah i dont really wanna use home dirs |
| 16:48.48 | d-b | why do iyou need ftp ? |
| 16:48.53 | d-b | you* |
| 16:48.58 | ioudas | cause i need to upload files |
| 16:49.16 | d-b | like i said use sftp. |
| 16:49.25 | ioudas | lol |
| 16:49.34 | d-b | if its for as client then look into ftp otherwise .. |
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| 16:49.59 | ioudas | youve been helpful |
| 16:50.07 | d-b | !sshfs |
| 16:50.07 | dpkg | somebody said sshfs was a FUSE-based filesystem that uses ssh. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. (Don't confuse sshfs with shfs.) Sshfs is in the package sshfs. See http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html, http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq or ask me about <fuse>. (remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
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| 16:51.52 | george_ | anyone could check what i did wrong ? |
| 16:51.59 | toolz | hi i used: export CLICOLOR=true, and colors still not appear on dirs, and other stuff, isn't that correct? |
| 16:52.02 | george_ | why canĆĀ“ t i delete files in that partition ? |
| 16:52.05 | george_ | UUID=4872-1AAC /mnt/dados vfat defaults,umask=000,uid=500,shortname=winnt 0 0 |
| 16:52.24 | davidisko | 1 |
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| 16:52.52 | frukt_ | no ideas as to why LDAP auth refuses to work in lenny? |
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| 16:53.12 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: that's good you found the issue, just note; many DVDs are udf - some are ISO, some are a mix (or better, a fugly mix) |
| 16:53.14 | toolz | anyone? |
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| 16:54.16 | enouf | TheBlasphemer: if you did the final burn of your customized ISO using growisofs with the -dvd-compat flag, i think you'd also end up with a udf FS .. |
| 16:55.22 | enouf | toolz: i think you want either the $LS_COLORS variable, or maybe man ls/less ? |
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| 16:55.43 | toolz | enouf, I found and uncommented in ~/.bashrc |
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| 16:55.48 | enouf | george_: as root you could |
| 16:55.54 | toolz | but how do I remove what I've used: export CLICOLOR="true" |
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| 16:56.15 | george_ | enouf: i want to delete as a non root |
| 16:56.17 | stevedondley | themill: ok, I ran "dh-make-perl Sort-Naturally-1.02" and it looked to install ok but when I try to use the module, it can't find it in the @INC path |
| 16:56.21 | amphi | unset CLICOLOR |
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| 16:56.33 | enouf | toolz: to reset a variable; two (actually more) ways to do so .. but one is export $VAR= |
| 16:56.37 | yopyop | hey, is that possible to export sub directory from a dir you already mounted via nfs ? i mount A:/foo to B:/foo and im trying to mount B:/foo/bar to C:/blabla, im getting permission denied, i tried with nohide/crossmnt option, with ln, with mount --bind, nothing works |
| 16:56.39 | datacrusher | im having some trougle then |
| 16:56.47 | enouf | leave it blank - or 'help unset' is another way |
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| 16:57.01 | enouf | !win amphi |
| 16:57.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, amphi! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 16:57.17 | enouf | bah .. we need some random answers in that one ;-) |
| 16:57.20 | amphi | ;) |
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| 16:58.01 | enouf | sorry toolz , i meant export VAR= .. not with the leading $ |
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| 16:58.22 | abrotman | it used to be random .. then it got cleaned up |
| 16:58.24 | amphi | pours enough a strong coffee |
| 16:58.30 | amphi | er, enouf |
| 16:58.39 | enouf | enjoys that non-bloated Java ;-) |
| 16:58.55 | amphi | stupid bloody nick in any case ;) |
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| 16:58.56 | enouf | abrotman: it's toooooo clean :-/ |
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| 16:59.15 | enouf | yeah righto .. anything you say mr phibian :-P |
| 16:59.20 | themill | stevedondley: does the .deb contain the appropriate files? Have a look at the contents of the .deb either with mc or some similar tool |
| 16:59.25 | Piper69 | any one tried 2.6..25.1 |
| 16:59.30 | Piper69 | on etch |
| 16:59.39 | amphi | quite lacking the gravitas and profound meaning of 'amphi' |
| 16:59.41 | stevedondley | themill: nvm, turns out I didn't finish installing |
| 16:59.46 | themill | ahh |
| 17:00.21 | enouf | george_: then /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 17:01.13 | stevedondley | themill, after running "debuild", I get debuild: fatal error at line 1155: running debsign failed |
| 17:01.26 | szonek | hi, anyone using iSCSI here? |
| 17:01.30 | enouf | george_: you want to mount using umask=022,dmask=XXX,fmask=XXX or something .. see man mount .. OH .. george_ chown username:username /mnt/dados |
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| 17:01.45 | enouf | username:username/groupname |
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| 17:01.54 | skiter | 6 |
| 17:01.57 | enouf | 42 |
| 17:02.00 | themill | stevedondley: you probably want -uc -us options to debuild so as to not sign the package |
| 17:02.02 | d-b | 7 |
| 17:02.09 | enouf | and a half |
| 17:02.11 | szonek | anyone using iSCSI here? |
| 17:02.26 | SystemFAILURE | ME |
| 17:02.27 | SystemFAILURE | Not |
| 17:02.28 | SystemFAILURE | :P |
| 17:02.29 | d-b | answer to life ^^. szonek please don't repeat your question. |
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| 17:02.37 | szonek | okay |
| 17:02.41 | enouf | george_: then mount with uid=1000,gid=1000 or whatever id your user is |
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| 17:02.56 | themill | stevedondley: I usually use the --build option to dh-make-perl to do it all in one step |
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| 17:03.30 | Piper69 | does this look right http://paste.debian.net/22389/ |
| 17:03.36 | george_ | enouf: ok i, have tried set the umask and gid ... if i want rwxrwxrwx should be umask=000 ? |
| 17:04.00 | stevedondley | themill: debuild reports those options a unknown |
| 17:04.06 | frold | Does anyone know a good web based alternativ for system administration like Webmin - It have to be open Source |
| 17:04.25 | stevedondley | nvm |
| 17:04.27 | stevedondley | wrong command |
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| 17:04.48 | enouf | george_: umask pertains to file creation mask, but i don't understand what you mean "if i want ..." .. you mean you want full privileged access to all files on the vfat partition? |
| 17:05.15 | george_ | enouf: yes |
| 17:05.25 | enouf | george_: for that - do what i just mentioned about chown the /mnt/point - so the mounting user owns the /mnt/point |
| 17:05.42 | Piper69 | can someone please check the output of df -alh and tell me does it look right Please http://paste.debian.net/22389/ |
| 17:05.57 | enouf | george_: then, either try umask=022, or umask=000 |
| 17:06.00 | enouf | or none |
| 17:06.16 | enouf | george_: along with uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx |
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| 17:06.52 | enouf | george_: i've done it many times in the past - and if you give me 5 min, i'll do it again and show you what i use |
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| 17:07.35 | george_ | enouf: should i set the gid and uid , or just uid would be fine ? |
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| 17:08.13 | enouf | george_: set it at mount time - here's the entry in my fstab for one of my vfats /dev/hdc1 /mnt/p1 vfat rw,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
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| 17:09.11 | enouf | george_: now, notice the /mnt/p1 .. that's owned by my username:groupname |
| 17:09.44 | stevedondley | themill: that did the trick. thanks! |
| 17:09.47 | enouf | george_: ~$ mount /mnt/p1 |
| 17:09.47 | enouf | ~$ cd /mnt/p1 |
| 17:09.51 | enouf | ls -l |
| 17:09.51 | themill | stevedondley: no worries |
| 17:10.02 | enouf | shows all files owned by my username:groupname |
| 17:10.10 | ComradeHaz | [16:48:59] <davidisko> guys is there any usable vncviewer (client) in debian lenny? cause i can't find something usable ĆĀ«----- xtightvncviewer ?? |
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| 17:10.36 | enouf | -rwxrwxr-x 1 stompthebozo stompthebozo 12458912 2008-09-04 22:29 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe haha |
| 17:11.22 | enouf | to get that last w for the others/world column, play with the umask mount options maybe a bit - but that's not needed for me to rm, mv, cp files .. so |
| 17:11.43 | george_ | enouf: should i add rw and user to the fstab line ? |
| 17:11.51 | enouf | yep |
| 17:12.32 | enouf | not sure if it defaults to ro, or rw, and the user option means only my username can mount/umount with privs |
| 17:12.44 | enouf | 'users' option means any/all users can |
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| 17:13.21 | enouf | (AFAIK - though i'm not 100% certain about all various FS particular mount options and shit) |
| 17:13.26 | aetheria | is there a way to change the file icons in nautilus? |
| 17:13.37 | enouf | aetheria: fire up gconf-editor? |
| 17:13.52 | aetheria | enouf:~$ was poking in there, but saw nothing that looked relevant |
| 17:13.59 | enouf | look harder |
| 17:14.13 | enouf | there's a TON of shit in there .. under seemingly unrelated branches |
| 17:14.19 | aetheria | i mean the file & folder icons in list view |
| 17:14.24 | enouf | try gconftool2 ? |
| 17:14.36 | enouf | aetheria: i use neither - so not sure |
| 17:14.47 | enouf | neither gnome, nor nautilus |
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| 17:14.53 | Element14 | question: what should i try if vgetty plays choppy sounds? |
| 17:14.56 | aetheria | what do you use? |
| 17:15.08 | enouf | aetheria: a twisted thing .. all contorted ;-) |
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| 17:15.20 | aetheria | hehe |
| 17:15.32 | enouf | aetheria: some slapped together slimmed down kde thing, with links2 as my main browser ... etc etc |
| 17:15.57 | aetheria | i would like to get nautilus to look more like konqueror file management profile |
| 17:16.17 | enouf | well - there's some gnome-qt-thingamajig |
| 17:16.24 | enouf | or whatever it's called |
| 17:16.26 | themill | aetheria: You could always just use konqueror instead |
| 17:16.31 | enouf | gtk2-qt-something? |
| 17:16.43 | m0usep0t4t0 | Is there a channel where I could ask 'ethtool' or 'mii-tool' related queries? |
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| 17:17.00 | enouf | aetheria: just know gnome/gtk{2} whereas kde/qt .. kind of thingy |
| 17:17.02 | aetheria | there is stuff like that - for example to make gtk dialogs look like qt |
| 17:17.30 | aetheria | aha, installing the tango theme helped a bit |
| 17:17.33 | enouf | m0usep0t4t0: depends about how particular |
| 17:17.49 | enouf | m0usep0t4t0: and more importantly if Debain related ;-) |
| 17:17.59 | enouf | Debian* |
| 17:18.03 | enouf | typosmite me |
| 17:18.12 | m0usep0t4t0 | Oh... the only debian connection here is that I use Etch :D |
| 17:18.14 | enouf | +! |
| 17:18.25 | enouf | m0usep0t4t0: +1 ;-) |
| 17:18.27 | aetheria | there's still this really annoying spacing between rows in list view - wasted space - highly annoying |
| 17:18.47 | aetheria | guess its not related to the icons at all - some other obscure property perhaps |
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| 17:19.07 | enouf | aetheria: the (invisible) grid setup? |
| 17:19.26 | aetheria | could be |
| 17:19.28 | enouf | aetheria: let me guess - you're a mac user :-P |
| 17:19.42 | enouf | aetheria: icons are for sheeple :-) |
| 17:19.57 | enouf | !turkeybaste me |
| 17:19.57 | dpkg | rubs goooey stuff all over enouf and sticks enouf in the oven for a while. |
| 17:20.43 | george_ | enouf: i umount the partition ... set the owner as me of the directory , and than i mounted again ... |
| 17:20.46 | george_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 george root 4096 2008-11-27 00:22 dados |
| 17:21.11 | george_ | i set me as the owner ... but did not changed the permissions |
| 17:21.44 | aetheria | enouf: hell no - not a mac user |
| 17:22.16 | aetheria | also, the tree view bold font on the left is KILLING ME |
| 17:22.20 | george_ | enouf: should i unmount i try to set chmod 777 in directory and then mount again ? |
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| 17:24.36 | rene- | hello, i have a question about resolver |
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| 17:25.06 | aetheria | i give up on suckass nautilus |
| 17:25.10 | rene- | somehow my dhcp server is providing me with a non functional DNS server, when i edit /etc/resolv.conf, dns works ok until it pulls wrong dns configuration |
| 17:25.23 | aetheria | too bad all the gnome suckass dialogs also look/behave the same |
| 17:25.29 | rene- | i ve heard about something called resolvconf but i dont know how it could help me |
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| 17:25.35 | rene- | to set a different name server |
| 17:25.46 | rene- | and not pull the non working one from dhcp |
| 17:26.31 | cahoot | rene-: try /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 17:26.51 | rene- | wow |
| 17:26.56 | rene- | this is very clever |
| 17:26.57 | rene- | thanks |
| 17:28.20 | george_ | enouf: sorry i was just stupid =/ .... i have to unmount before using "mount -a" ... ĆĀ¬ĆĀ¬ my fault |
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| 17:28.34 | george_ | enouf: thanks ! |
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| 17:29.28 | jmpp_ | greets! |
| 17:29.44 | jmpp_ | I'm a debian n00b and need some tips on installing packages |
| 17:29.50 | jmpp_ | I need to install the latest rsync |
| 17:30.04 | jmpp_ | but apt-cache show rsync is only returning 2.6.x |
| 17:30.21 | jmpp_ | how can I get apt-cache to look at a different package repo source, or something...? |
| 17:30.27 | jmpp_ | thanks in advance! |
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| 17:31.22 | abrotman | why the latest? |
| 17:31.27 | abrotman | judd: versions rsync |
| 17:31.28 | judd | abrotman: rsync -- etch: 2.6.9-2etch2 etch-security: 2.6.9-2etch2 etch-backports: 3.0.3-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 3.0.3-2 sid: 3.0.4-3 |
| 17:31.30 | themill | dpkg: tell jmpp_ about bpo |
| 17:31.37 | jmpp_ | well, I would like to... |
| 17:31.53 | themill | !version chasing |
| 17:31.53 | dpkg | A higher version number does not mean that it's better, it just means newer. Debian's "stable" release might not have the latest packages, but it has packages that have been tested and bugfixed and for selected packages you can use backports.org. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos. Ask me about <backports.org> Tell us what you're doing isn't just <sns syndrome>. |
| 17:31.55 | jmpp_ | extended attributes and other stuff |
| 17:32.08 | enouf | !sns |
| 17:32.09 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 17:32.22 | Neaai | If I do an apt-get install --reinstall gnome will I force a reinstall for all what gnome depends on? I guess no. |
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| 17:33.08 | enouf | .. not another reinstaller person .. ugh |
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| 17:33.42 | abrotman | Neaai: no |
| 17:34.01 | Neaai | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 17:34.45 | enouf | is Etch using gnome 1.x ? |
| 17:34.57 | riot | hmm. I just copied my living debian to a new box using netcat and tar, but now all my symlinks (esp. the ones in /etc/rc*.d/) are broken. Hmm. Any special parameters i maybe forgot? |
| 17:35.07 | abrotman | enouf: no |
| 17:35.21 | enouf | abrotman: so 2.x info applies -thanks |
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| 17:38.17 | enouf | abrotman: hung over? :-P you were either a) out and about early yesterday .. cause the Wed. is the night when they all come out of the woodwork - ...or (less likely) b) you were en route to visiting family :-) |
| 17:40.33 | enouf | Neaai: if you do /msg dpkg remove gnome you'll see a list of some major component parts |
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| 17:44.15 | burdicda | is this a good place to talk up debian on eeepc's |
| 17:44.35 | mutante_ | was there some mechanism to have automatic "apt-get upgrade" tests running in the background and get an email when there are new packages that could be installed, or would i have to try scripting it myself |
| 17:45.12 | sgh_ | Ive been trying to make dwm 5.2, but I got a error msg complaining about some XCloseDisplay or whatever. I installed libx11-dev and got further, but now this is stopping me: dwm.c:1729: error: ĀstderrĀ undeclared (first use in this function). How can I solve this? |
| 17:45.18 | onetinsoldier | mutante_: i think i just read about package like that earlier today.. i'll see if i can find the name of it |
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| 17:46.24 | mutante_ | onetinsoldier: sounds good, thank you |
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| 17:48.07 | jmpp_ | what would a proper sources line in sources.list look like? |
| 17:48.13 | jmpp_ | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 17:48.24 | jmpp_ | don't know much about where the spacs should be |
| 17:48.55 | onetinsoldier | mutante_: i don't know if can find it.. i'm still looking tho |
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| 17:49.27 | mutante_ | jmpp_: deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 17:50.09 | mutante_ | jmpp_: doesnt look bad to me.. shrug |
| 17:50.20 | jmpp_ | mutante_: but what about the backports source? |
| 17:50.23 | Neaai | enouf: oh thanks. my list is huge though. should xserver-xorg be in the not needed list? |
| 17:50.34 | jmpp_ | I copied it into my sources.list just as Ipasted it here and it's giving me errors |
| 17:50.40 | Neaai | enouf: they seem so many to me |
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| 17:51.02 | onetinsoldier | mutante_: it might be 'apt-watch' that i'm thinking of... |
| 17:51.13 | onetinsoldier | !apt-watch |
| 17:51.13 | dpkg | somebody said apt-watch was a gnome applet that helps you monitor for updates, and can be run in the same fashion as you start any other GNOME applet (right click on panel, select Add To Panel). See [info apt-watch] for a few more details, or ask apt-cache about it. |
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| 17:51.18 | mutante_ | jmpp_: maybe it must end in /debian/ instead of /debian ? |
| 17:51.25 | jmpp_ | tries |
| 17:51.27 | mutante_ | onetinsoldier: cool, thanks again |
| 17:51.35 | onetinsoldier | you're welcome |
| 17:51.58 | mutante_ | well, besides i dont have X on the server :p |
| 17:52.09 | jmpp_ | nah, other valid source entries don't end in / and still work, and besides I'm still getting errors using debian/ |
| 17:52.19 | Elite | What is X? |
| 17:52.22 | onetinsoldier | i don't think apt-watch is a gnome app.. i think that might be worng |
| 17:52.39 | onetinsoldier | apt-watch-gnome IS a gnome app |
| 17:52.41 | jelly-hotel | Elite: the usual graphical interface for linux |
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| 17:52.57 | jelly-hotel | !x |
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| 17:53.15 | jelly-hotel | !x11 |
| 17:53.16 | dpkg | i guess x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
| 17:53.28 | mutante_ | onetinsoldier: that is great for a desktop, and there i will use it, but still looking for a commandline tool that sends mail then |
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| 17:53.38 | davidisko | guys is there any video player in linux which has simple playlist managing like wmp? |
| 17:53.44 | jmpp_ | when adding an entry to sources.list, does it just work out of the box? or do I have to do some other setup at the filesystem level? |
| 17:53.51 | jmpp_ | tries to read the error in detail |
| 17:54.05 | Pavlz | is more easy to convert |
| 17:54.12 | Maulkin | lkkkll |
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| 17:54.26 | Piper69 | how do i search for a channel in irc |
| 17:54.39 | onetinsoldier | mutante_: roger.. i'll keep looking here apt-watch is a command line deal tho... agt-watch-gnome is for X obviously |
| 17:55.15 | mutante_ | Piper69: there are a few IRC search engine websites |
| 17:55.33 | Pavlz | ./ffmpeg2theora-0.22.linux.32.bin pippo.wmp and press enter write this on the shell and change pippo.vmp with the files you got |
| 17:55.37 | onetinsoldier | mutante_: apticron - cron-script to mail impending apt updates |
| 17:55.39 | mutante_ | Piper69: if the network is not too big and lets you, you may use /list too |
| 17:55.49 | mutante_ | onetinsoldier: perfect! :) |
| 17:55.54 | Neaai | !tell Elite about xorg |
| 17:55.54 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 17:56.00 | mutante_ | Elite: the server that a window manager can run on, that gives you graphics, instead of just console, and what i dont install on a server |
| 17:56.14 | Piper69 | mutante give a link to a site please |
| 17:56.38 | mutante_ | Piper69: http://searchirc.com/ |
| 17:56.38 | onetinsoldier | !apticron |
| 17:56.46 | onetinsoldier | he has noting on it |
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| 17:58.02 | Piper69 | mutante thank mate |
| 17:58.32 | onetinsoldier | mutante_: cron-apt ....Contains a tool that is run by a cron job at regular intervals. By default it just updates the package list and downloads new packages without installing. You can instruct it to run anything that you can do with apt-get |
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| 17:58.43 | burdicda | wow there's alot of debian folks hangin here.... |
| 17:59.10 | Neaai | jmpp_: it should work. editing that and apt-get update should be all |
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| 17:59.28 | mhymn_ | burdicda: true, haven't seen 901 before |
| 17:59.43 | burdicda | well i did my part |
| 18:00.05 | burdicda | got any eeepc folk hangin around |
| 18:00.08 | mutante_ | onetinsoldier: getting even better ;) |
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| 18:00.25 | Pavlz | is possible to insert in debian or in any other distribution part of gnu/step to create a new distro ? |
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| 18:00.56 | onetinsoldier | mutante_: cool. thos two should do you justice. sounded like apticron is the one you were really looking for tho |
| 18:00.58 | mutante_ | possible = yes by default with open source, i guess |
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| 18:02.17 | Piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.18 | mutante_ | Pavlz: yes to your question, no idea to how hard that would be |
| 18:02.58 | onetinsoldier | did you folks know that Creative Labs has open-sourced the Linux X-Fi driver? man.. i hope developers jump on it. i miss having sound |
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| 18:03.26 | Pavlz | a microkernel + monolithic kernel = hybrid |
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| 18:05.00 | Pavlz | the same thing that did apple with: the jobs of cmu.edu utah.edu berkeley university, with the next.com and then the first mac os x = hybrid |
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| 18:05.25 | jmpp_ | what do I do when apt-get install returns a 404 because the URL could not be found...? |
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| 18:05.29 | Pavlz | microkernel mach + kernel linux = hybrid |
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| 18:06.15 | thecookie | I just installed debian Lenny through a net install, something seems to have screwed up with the boot loader.. Getting "Missing OS" on start of computer |
| 18:06.23 | thecookie | Any ideas? |
| 18:06.37 | mutante_ | Pavlz: honestly, it sounds interesting, but i have no clue, what i was waiting for is to see people say "Debian is not Linux" in this channel, because its Debian GNU/Hurd :P |
| 18:06.51 | thecookie | I did chose to install GRUB |
| 18:06.56 | Pavlz | i know |
| 18:07.08 | Pavlz | but i said i general |
| 18:07.18 | Pavlz | not about GNU/HURD |
| 18:07.26 | abrotman | enouf: i am with family north of you |
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| 18:08.09 | Pavlz | i am working to write documentation about all the period that goes from 74 till 94 |
| 18:08.38 | Pavlz | 20 years of developments |
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| 18:09.17 | onetinsoldier | thecookie: sorry to hear that. how new/old is your system? |
| 18:09.33 | jelly-hotel | mutante_: GNU/kFreeBSD! |
| 18:09.40 | onetinsoldier | thecookie: does it have sata drives? |
| 18:09.45 | Pavlz | and then it could be interesting to give back to mac os x what is trying to left us : gtk |
| 18:09.54 | Pavlz | :-) |
| 18:10.11 | Pavlz | it sounds good GNU/KFreeBSD |
| 18:10.47 | Pavlz | but there is too GNU/NetBSD; GNU/Darwin; GNU/Step |
| 18:11.07 | Pavlz | and i think that are working to develop a GNU/windows |
| 18:11.11 | Neaai | GNU/Minix for kids |
| 18:11.27 | thecookie | onetinsoldier: It has a sata drive. It's an eee box. |
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| 18:11.54 | thecookie | the installer found the disk and everything worked out really smooth |
| 18:12.20 | Elite | Will it look the same as windows? |
| 18:12.23 | onetinsoldier | thecookie: do you know how to get into your bios? did you install grub? or grub2? you had a choice in the installer |
| 18:12.57 | thecookie | onetinsoldier: I can get into the bios, I can start the installer again too, np. I think I only got to chose whether or not to install grub |
| 18:14.02 | onetinsoldier | thecookie: perhaps.. i used the expert gui installer... i had a chioce in there. i can't be sure what the choice for grub/grub2 if you don't use the expert installer |
| 18:14.30 | jmpp_ | what's the difference between an etch2 package and an etch1? |
| 18:15.10 | themill | jmpp_: probably a security fix. Check the Debian changelog for more information (it's in /usr/share/doc/packagename/) |
| 18:15.16 | Neaai | thecookie: I remember something similar with the way the installer numbers hd and then grub for some reason messed that up. hd0,0 and hd1,0 and some other changes in /boot and /boot/grub |
| 18:15.17 | thecookie | I'm not sure which installer I used. The one made by http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:15.23 | jmpp_ | I'm trying to isntall the rsync package from the standard debian sarge packages source, which lists rsync_2.6.9-2etch1_i386.deb, which is not available, returning a 404 |
| 18:15.33 | jmpp_ | but in its place, an etch2 is indeed available |
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| 18:15.57 | onetinsoldier | thecookie: you could go into you bios and see what option you have for your sata drive(s) IDE Compatible or IDE Enhanced, or.... AHCI. try changing it to IDE Enhanced if it's on AHCI.. or to AHCI if it's on IDE Enhanced.. might solve it. if not.. then perhaps try reinstalling.. and make sure to choose grub and not grub2 if you get the choice |
| 18:15.57 | jmpp_ | so I'm wondering why apt-cache show is returning that url when it's not really available... |
| 18:16.05 | jmpp_ | do Ineed to update something, the cache in some way? |
| 18:16.18 | themill | jmpp_: I hope you mean etch not sarge. You probably need to "aptitude update" |
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| 18:17.26 | Pavlz | honestly i changed yesterday the hard drive; then i come at home and i decided to test with fsck and fsck -fs said me: /dev/hda1: 137654/19447808 files (1.0% non-contiguous), 6524922/38885324 blocks |
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| 18:17.44 | onetinsoldier | thecookie: i use a daily snapshot of the lenny netinstall a couple of weeks ago, from the debian website. cdrom version |
| 18:17.54 | onetinsoldier | used* |
| 18:17.55 | dff_ | im not allowed to edit /etc/sudoers as root, or with sudo |
| 18:17.55 | Pavlz | it means that there are 6524922 bad blocks ? |
| 18:18.04 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: no |
| 18:18.05 | dff_ | what am i doing wrong |
| 18:18.35 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: that many blocks are in use, out of /38885324 total |
| 18:18.37 | Kraftzwerk | mdadm has been reading ~7MB/s for more than six hours continously from a RAID1-array. what (tf) is happening? |
| 18:18.47 | themill | dpkg: tell dff_ about visudo |
| 18:19.16 | Pavlz | and this could cause problem to the hard disk ? |
| 18:19.18 | dff_ | themill, thanks |
| 18:19.32 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: that's just statistics. |
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| 18:21.15 | Pavlz | ./dev/hda1p1 * 1 31 248944+ 83 Linux |
| 18:21.15 | Pavlz | ./dev/hda1p2 31 19457 156039345 5 Extended |
| 18:21.15 | Pavlz | ./dev/hda1p5 ? 141438 193793 420541968 1b Hidden W95 FAT32 |
| 18:21.38 | jmpp_ | themill: I'm runnig debian sarge, indeed |
| 18:21.41 | jmpp_ | old, I know |
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| 18:21.45 | jmpp_ | but it's what igot to work with |
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| 18:22.02 | onetinsoldier | when it comes to the sarge... you must salute him! |
| 18:22.20 | jmpp_ | heh |
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| 18:22.22 | Pavlz | today the hda1p5 was a LVM, then when i turn back to the shop, they tested me the computers with the western digital software under windows |
| 18:22.36 | themill | jmpp_: sarge is no longer supported... you've got to do your own security support on that. You really should upgrade to etch -- /msg dpkg sarge->etch. You also can't just install etch packages into sarge. That won't work out well for you at all. |
| 18:23.08 | XGas | Pavlz: Standard procedure |
| 18:23.09 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: wtf... did you create subpartitions on a partition? |
| 18:23.21 | XGas | STANDARD |
| 18:23.24 | Pavlz | no, i did two partition |
| 18:23.34 | jmpp_ | themill: then i wonder, why would apt-cache search be returning an etch package when I'm runnig sarge...? |
| 18:23.37 | Pavlz | one of root and the other of swap |
| 18:23.44 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: what's you actual problem? |
| 18:23.58 | themill | jmpp_: do you have "stable" in your sources.list? Perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:24.23 | netcrash | Hello , Any tips on how I can do a tcpdump -i eth0 for specific dhcp packets comming from a mac address ? |
| 18:24.29 | Pavlz | but i think that the test of windows changed all, because there is written extended when was swap |
| 18:25.21 | Pavlz | and the problem is that i listen not perfectly the hard drive, i turn back to the shop, but they don't want change me or give the money back |
| 18:26.08 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: Sorry, "listen not perfectly the hard drive" is confusing. What's your native language? |
| 18:26.11 | jmpp_ | themill: will do, in a bit |
| 18:26.23 | Pavlz | to hear |
| 18:26.39 | Pavlz | i don't hear fine the hard disk |
| 18:26.49 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: you can't hear the drive working? |
| 18:26.54 | Pavlz | yes |
| 18:27.02 | jelly-hotel | how is that a problem? :-) |
| 18:27.02 | Pavlz | they say that is normal |
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| 18:28.08 | Pavlz | it seems that the heads move when want without a real good control |
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| 18:29.04 | Pavlz | in a moment work, and in an other are stopped |
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| 18:29.20 | Pavlz | but the dishes runs |
| 18:29.26 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: I'm really guessing here... it is an external drive? Some of those models have 15 minute idle timeouts and they get parked when not in use |
| 18:29.35 | jelly-hotel | could be even less |
| 18:29.57 | Pavlz | no |
| 18:30.03 | Pavlz | internal |
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| 18:30.24 | FredZ | Having some difficulty finding this informtion, so if some would be so kind as to pont me in the right direction. I am wanting to setup multiple IP on a single NIC. These must be perpetual (remain after a reboot). I have attempted to modify the interfaces file without success. |
| 18:30.45 | neoice | so if I want python-omnicomplete in vim on etch, I'm out of luck? vim-python is only in backports and wants me to update some dependancies too... |
| 18:30.54 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: no idea there, but it could have a similar issue; perhaps a power-saving feature |
| 18:31.14 | Neaai | FredZ: you can't modify the files or can't have the ips in the interface? |
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| 18:32.16 | Pavlz | is my hard drive of 2.5 inch 160 gb western digital WD1600BEVE-00UYT0 |
| 18:32.21 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: I'd google for something like drive_model_name hdparm power OR power-saving OR parking |
| 18:32.24 | FredZ | OK. can you point me to some information on how this is done properly |
| 18:32.42 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: also try ##hardware, this isn't Debian specific |
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| 18:33.10 | Neaai | !tell FredZ about interfaces |
| 18:33.22 | Pavlz | now i must to umount edubuntu |
| 18:33.32 | Neaai | FredZ: after modifying the file restart the network |
| 18:33.33 | Pavlz | to install DebIan |
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| 18:33.55 | Pavlz | so you don't see me in chat |
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| 18:35.28 | isploit | what is the best way to make knockd( with iptables) only closes a opened port again if no connection has been made after a certain interfal? |
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| 18:35.47 | FredZ | <Neaai> I did just that (interfaces file) and I can't get it to work, so I am obviously doing something wrong, but I can't work out what and I can't find the information I am looking for. |
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| 18:36.11 | Neaai | FredZ: what happens when you do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:36.55 | FredZ | it restarts as it did from the install eth0:0 doesn't apear |
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| 18:38.02 | Neaai | FredZ: can you set the ip manually with ifconfig ? |
| 18:38.21 | FredZ | Never tried as I wanted them perpetual |
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| 18:38.38 | petemc | FredZ: the syntax is exactly the same as foor 'normal' interfaces |
| 18:38.54 | Neaai | FredZ: try manually to be sure |
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| 18:39.14 | FredZ | OK, trying now |
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| 18:41.53 | newb101 | hi room, im running ubuntu 8.10 though having problems getting sound to work, anyone able to help out? |
| 18:42.09 | SpeedyG | !ubuntu |
| 18:42.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:42.15 | amphi | newb101: #ubuntu |
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| 18:43.38 | format_c | I always get the message from aptitude that I'm not able to install transcode including dependencies because some packages are broken |
| 18:43.38 | newb101 | kk, ta |
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| 18:44.50 | jelly-hotel | format_c: pastebin the exact command you ran and the complete output; also paste "apt-cache policy transcode" or whatever the package name |
| 18:45.00 | format_c | I get this as the output |
| 18:45.01 | format_c | http://paste.debian.net/22396/ |
| 18:46.15 | format_c | And here is the output of apt-cache policy transcode: http://paste.debian.net/22397/ |
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| 18:46.21 | jelly-hotel | format_c: uh. please run it again with LANG=C in front... like "LANG=C aptitude whatever" (include the command line in the pastebin, too) |
| 18:46.38 | format_c | oh sorry |
| 18:47.23 | jelly-hotel | format_c: you seem to have both testing and etch sources enabled, or have had at some point, and have installed packages from testing |
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| 18:48.04 | format_c | OK heres the english output at once: http://paste.debian.net/22398/ |
| 18:48.26 | jelly-hotel | format_c: the simplest thing to do will likely be to properly upgrade the whole system to lenny now |
| 18:48.38 | format_c | Is lenny now stable? |
| 18:48.52 | jelly-hotel | format_c: no, but your system is already a mix-and-match |
| 18:49.03 | ComradeHaz | What's the deffierence between the following kernels:? 2.6-486, 2.6-686, 2.6.26-1-486, 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 18:49.10 | format_c | Yes I forgot this |
| 18:49.10 | jelly-hotel | format_c: it's either that or reinstall etch |
| 18:49.50 | format_c | Is it not possible to get transcode installed? |
| 18:50.21 | GhostlyDeath | It appears Ctrl+Shift is not working in GNOME |
| 18:50.24 | jelly-hotel | format_c: it will be after you fix your system! |
| 18:50.36 | GhostlyDeath | how am I supposed to put in Unicode characters? |
| 18:50.38 | jelly-hotel | !tell format_c about etch->lenny |
| 18:50.45 | octox2_ | anyone have luck getting a UVC webcam to work in virtualbox? |
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| 18:51.52 | jelly-hotel | ComradeHaz: linux-image-2.6-blah will always depend on the supported 2.6.xy-z-blah for your debian release |
| 18:52.12 | Elite | Hey guys I installed debian the other day and for some reason when I try to boot it says "Error Loading Operating System" |
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| 18:52.27 | ComradeHaz | hmm, |
| 18:52.43 | ComradeHaz | the installer is asking me which of those I want to install? |
| 18:52.47 | ComradeHaz | *-? |
| 18:52.50 | jelly-hotel | ComradeHaz: so, if debian for some reason makes a 2.6.26-2-blah, instead of -1-, the 2.6-blah will try to pull that in |
| 18:52.57 | jelly-hotel | ComradeHaz: you want 2.6-686 |
| 18:53.03 | jelly-hotel | :-) |
| 18:53.05 | ComradeHaz | do I? |
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| 18:53.08 | jelly-hotel | yes |
| 18:53.18 | ComradeHaz | How fo you know?! :D |
| 18:53.25 | jelly-hotel | experience! |
| 18:53.33 | ComradeHaz | what's the difference between 486 and 686? |
| 18:53.52 | SpeedyG | cpu-type it's meant to be for |
| 18:53.53 | jelly-hotel | ComradeHaz: 486 works on more hardware, but only supports 1GB RAM |
| 18:53.59 | Aggro | ComradeHaz: 200 |
| 18:54.04 | ComradeHaz | ah, ok |
| 18:54.06 | SpeedyG | Aggro: lol |
| 18:54.07 | jelly-hotel | !win Aggro |
| 18:54.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, Aggro! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:54.10 | ComradeHaz | so they're both 32 bit? |
| 18:54.15 | epsilon | yes |
| 18:54.19 | ComradeHaz | I see ok |
| 18:54.21 | ComradeHaz | thansk |
| 18:54.21 | GhostlyDeath | How am I supposed to type in Unicode characters? |
| 18:54.29 | ComradeHaz | utf-8 |
| 18:54.37 | GhostlyDeath | I used to be able to do Ctrl+Shift, u, <Hex Number> |
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| 18:54.44 | GhostlyDeath | But that no longer works |
| 18:54.51 | jelly-hotel | ComradeHaz: use -686 unless you _know_ you have hardware with special needs |
| 18:55.30 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: you can use digraphs for accented chars and some others like ĆĀ° Ć¢ĀĀ¬ etc. |
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| 18:56.00 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: I don't need those characters |
| 18:56.36 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 18:56.47 | GhostlyDeath | works with left ctrl and right shift, but not right ctrl and right shift |
| 18:56.49 | epsilon | GhostlyDeath: there are plenty of kernels in dbian, 486. 686. k7. amd64 - take what's fitting to you |
| 18:57.03 | GhostlyDeath | I use amd64 |
| 18:57.13 | Neaai | ComradeHaz: i think you want 486 only when your system crawls because of age from the 686. |
| 18:57.22 | jelly-hotel | epsilon: no more k7 |
| 18:57.58 | epsilon | at least in etch (not half) |
| 18:58.02 | GhostlyDeath | well Ctrl+Shift works but it's opposite side of the keyboard |
| 18:58.09 | jelly-hotel | !k7 |
| 18:58.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 18:58.15 | GhostlyDeath | Left Ctrl + Right Shift and Right Ctrl + Left Shift do what I want |
| 18:58.23 | jelly-hotel | oh |
| 18:58.24 | GhostlyDeath | but i've always done Right Ctrl + Right Shift |
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| 19:00.36 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: hmm, both work here |
| 19:00.42 | FredZ | OK, I have got my virtual IP (eth0:0) to work, but when I do /etc/init.d/network restart it kills everything except for loopback and I have the do a full restart. Any thoughts. |
| 19:00.53 | jmpp_ | any pastebin available/preferred in the channel? |
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| 19:01.15 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: Right Ctrl and Right Shift work for you? |
| 19:01.22 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: yes |
| 19:01.27 | GhostlyDeath | A recent upgrade changed this =/ |
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| 19:02.36 | hyper__ch | where can one report bugs with regard to the rescue options on the lenny install cd? |
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| 19:03.19 | jmpp_ | anyone...? |
| 19:03.22 | jmpp_ | any pastebin available/preferred in the channel? |
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| 19:03.32 | SpeedyG | pastebin.ca |
| 19:03.36 | dranz | Hi. |
| 19:03.52 | dranz | I did a kernel update and now my ethernet devices aren't being detected by ifconfig |
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| 19:04.08 | hyper__ch | dranz: revert back to the old one then :) |
| 19:04.14 | dranz | =/ |
| 19:04.26 | dranz | even after modprobe e1000, it still fails. |
| 19:04.36 | hyper__ch | at least for the time being until you find a solution :) |
| 19:04.41 | maligor | isn't that the one with the eeprom issue |
| 19:04.47 | dranz | hyper__ch: I'm trying to find a solution now. |
| 19:04.52 | amphi | dranz: any messages when you modprobe? |
| 19:04.55 | maligor | could be something's blacklisted it because of that |
| 19:04.56 | dranz | nope. |
| 19:04.57 | dranz | clean. |
| 19:05.05 | hyper__ch | maligor: you mean the one that wrecks your hardware? |
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| 19:05.15 | dranz | modprobe eepro100 works. |
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| 19:05.28 | jelly-hotel | uh... eepro100 != e1000 |
| 19:05.29 | maligor | hyper__ch, yeah, it was some intel ethernet model anyway |
| 19:05.30 | amphi | maligor: that was e1000e if I recall correctly |
| 19:05.36 | dranz | and modprobe e1000 works as well. |
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| 19:05.53 | amphi | dranz: but ifconfig -a shows no interface? |
| 19:05.54 | jelly-hotel | dranz: uname -r? |
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| 19:05.59 | hyper__ch | maligor: I've always thought software couldn't f*** up hardware :( |
| 19:06.07 | dranz | amphi: none except for lo |
| 19:06.12 | maligor | hyper__ch, really? |
| 19:06.31 | maligor | hyper__ch, what do you call overclocking then? |
| 19:06.31 | jelly-hotel | hyper__ch: s/couldn't/wasn't supposed to be able to/ |
| 19:06.34 | dranz | uname -r 2.6.27-1 |
| 19:06.41 | hyper__ch | maligor: well, at least if you're not actively trying to mess with the firmeware |
| 19:07.02 | maligor | the sw overclocking controls don't mess with fw :P |
| 19:07.10 | maligor | and firmware is software |
| 19:07.16 | jelly-hotel | dranz: you ARE treading seriously close to the kernel version that wrecks some e1000e driver hardware |
| 19:07.37 | jelly-hotel | dranz: which kernel version worked? |
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| 19:07.43 | dranz | 2.6.18 |
| 19:07.56 | jelly-hotel | dranz: did you uninstall it? |
| 19:08.08 | dranz | It's still in /boot/ |
| 19:08.23 | jelly-hotel | dranz: so, reboot into it and hope the hardware works ;-) |
| 19:08.23 | Fare | I copied a working amd64 installation from one machine (amd64) to another (intel64) and now mplayer and xine crash at startup :( |
| 19:08.37 | Fare | segfault in xine_init |
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| 19:09.10 | jelly-hotel | Fare: same graphic card? |
| 19:09.19 | jelly-hotel | Fare: same card driver? |
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| 19:09.21 | dranz | jelly-hotel: the e1000e driver isn't loaded |
| 19:09.23 | Fare | different graphics card, was nvidia, is intel X3100 |
| 19:09.24 | dranz | only e1000 |
| 19:09.30 | jelly-hotel | Fare: so... |
| 19:09.32 | Fare | so? |
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| 19:09.40 | Fare | I mean, xorg works |
| 19:09.48 | Fare | (obviously, using it right now) |
| 19:09.59 | jelly-hotel | Fare: do any other Xv apps work? |
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| 19:10.07 | Fare | how can I tell? |
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| 19:10.35 | amphi | Fare: try one? like mplayer -vo xv for example |
| 19:10.37 | Fare | mostly empty xorg.conf |
| 19:10.43 | Fare | mplayer crashes immediately at startup |
| 19:10.43 | SerajewelKS | i have two computers and a non-crossover cable, one running windows and this one running debian. the NIC on the windows box doesn't seem to support autonegotiation of crossover links over a regular cable. can i use ethtool or something to force my card to operate in crossover mode (whatever it's called) so the windows computer will see a link present? |
| 19:10.44 | jelly-hotel | Fare: hm. pastebin what "xvinfo" says, for starters |
| 19:10.49 | Fare | ltrace doesn't even show anything |
| 19:11.04 | jelly-hotel | Fare: strace > ltrace :-) |
| 19:11.34 | Fare | jelly, I tried ltrace -- mplayer doesn't output anything before segfault, xine enters xine_init just before segfault |
| 19:11.51 | jelly-hotel | Fare: so try strace and see where it exactly breaks |
| 19:12.00 | Neaai | FredZ: if you have a line " allow-hotplug eth0" comment that for a try. also make sure you have "auto eth0:0" in place. |
| 19:12.19 | sgh_ | how do I append the content (a single line of text) from one file to another? bg.sh (a one-line-script) >> /user/.initrc doesnt work (and it shouldnt) |
| 19:12.26 | sgh_ | how do I append the content (a single line of text) from one file to another? bg.sh (a one-line-script) >> /user/.initrc doesnt work (and it shouldnt) |
| 19:12.31 | jelly-hotel | Fare: well, for some values of "exactly" |
| 19:12.50 | PinkFreud | Fare: you can also try 'xvinfo' to make sure Xv is set up and working. |
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| 19:13.24 | SerajewelKS | or is there some other way to force a network card to operate exclusively in crossover mode? |
| 19:13.42 | jelly-hotel | sgh_: do you want the output of that script appended, or the contents of file "bg.sh"? |
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| 19:14.15 | Fare | xvinfo looks like it's working |
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| 19:14.49 | sgh_ | jelly-hotel, content |
| 19:14.59 | dranz | jelly-hotel: my eth0/eth1 devices are fine |
| 19:15.08 | jelly-hotel | sgh_: in that case, cat bg.sh >> wherever |
| 19:15.09 | flower | how can I check my boot messages? something failes but couldn't see what exactly |
| 19:15.17 | dranz | I'm concerned about getting them working now. |
| 19:15.19 | dranz | :< |
| 19:15.21 | sgh_ | jelly-hotel, and just out of curiosity, if I wanted the output |
| 19:15.33 | jelly-hotel | dranz: how do you know they are fine? |
| 19:15.39 | cahoot | flower: dmesg and/or bootlog |
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| 19:15.48 | dranz | They are working. Users connect fine. |
| 19:15.52 | jelly-hotel | sgh_: then you'd do what you tried first |
| 19:15.56 | cahoot | flower: try /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 19:16.04 | jelly-hotel | dranz: so, um, where's the problem? |
| 19:16.11 | dranz | In the 2.6.27 kernel |
| 19:16.18 | dranz | they aren't even detected. |
| 19:16.27 | dranz | in my old 2.6.18, they are fine. |
| 19:16.35 | jelly-hotel | dranz: fine and using which driver? |
| 19:16.40 | dranz | e1000 |
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| 19:16.55 | marcin_ | hi, how can i register my own channel on freenode, i can't see a registration link on www.FreeNode.net |
| 19:17.17 | jelly-hotel | dranz: the pciids you have might be blacklisted in 2.6.27 (the build in Debian, anyway) |
| 19:18.22 | jelly-hotel | dranz: is there a reason for .27 and not, say, .26 available in lenny? |
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| 19:20.27 | dranz | jelly-hotel: just trying to keep updated. |
| 19:20.27 | flower2 | cahoot: /msg dpkg bootlog in terminal? |
| 19:21.01 | cahoot | flower: try /msg dpkg bootlog in your irc client |
| 19:21.01 | jelly-hotel | dranz: so, report a bug and be a bit less updated, I guess |
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| 19:21.27 | jelly-hotel | dranz: .26 is likely to be supported for the lifetime of lenny |
| 19:21.41 | GhostlyDeath | is there an on-screen keybioard? |
| 19:21.41 | dranz | I see. |
| 19:21.44 | dranz | thanks. |
| 19:21.58 | dranz | do you think my 2.6.27 config would work with .26? |
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| 19:23.34 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 19:23.54 | jelly-hotel | dranz: .config? You have a custom kernel? |
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| 19:24.41 | jelly-hotel | dranz: sorry, I was under the impression you were using a distro package |
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| 19:27.05 | cr3rzemjest | how is this called and how to do this? i want to guarantee my browser has 100% of my maximum bandwith when it needs it (i.e. webpage is being loaded) while other program is e.g. downloading data, and when page is loaded, i want this program to use the available bandwith that way too. |
| 19:27.17 | yansanmo | do someone know where I could have help about csync2 (from sid)? it doesn't synchronize any files... |
| 19:27.33 | cr3rzemjest | like 'nice' but for internet.... for the browser |
| 19:27.38 | mutante_ | cr3rzemjest: that is called QoS (quality of service) |
| 19:27.40 | Neaai | cr3rzemjest: as in traffic shaping/prioritizing ? |
| 19:27.53 | Neaai | cr3rzemjest: mutante_ said it |
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| 19:30.01 | cr3rzemjest | mutante, Neaai could you please give another keyword, like name of an application... |
| 19:30.03 | castingcrowns | Can someone help me mount a vfat partition without the editing of the fstab...so a non root user has access to it? |
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| 19:30.49 | cr3rzemjest | iptables -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport telnet -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay <--- does this mean TELNET has highest priority? |
| 19:31.42 | Neaai | cr3rzemjest: tc command using the htb algorithm. There's lots for cbq but htb is better and easier and better. |
| 19:31.42 | cr3rzemjest | i mean after the command is executed |
| 19:32.19 | Neaai | cr3rzemjest: you use it together with iptables if you wish. Mark with iptables and then classify with tc. I've only read about this, not done it. |
| 19:32.59 | epsilon | with iptables you only mark the packet |
| 19:33.28 | epsilon | you need tc to actually handle it with priority |
| 19:33.37 | cr3rzemjest | i guess htb != Holy Trinity Brompton and cbq != Commercial Bank of Qatar xd ...... |
| 19:33.48 | Neaai | hehe |
| 19:34.45 | jelly-hotel | cr3rzemjest: the wondershaper script might be good enough for you |
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| 19:35.18 | Neaai | cr3rzemjest: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html |
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| 19:37.44 | Neaai | jelly-hotel: how's wondershaper compared to htb.init script ? That's the only one I've used. |
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| 19:39.20 | cr3rzemjest | sorry if i missed something, but 'tc' vel traffic control is neither in debian repo nor in google ;/ |
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| 19:41.04 | stoned | man |
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| 19:41.25 | Neaai | cr3rzemjest: you might need to install the iproute package. |
| 19:41.31 | jelly-hotel | Neaai: it just tries to be fair and keep interactive (ssh, telnet) sessions reasonably interactive |
| 19:42.07 | Pavlz | i finished now to install GNU/linux DebIan |
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| 19:42.21 | jelly-hotel | Neaai: basically, it makes ssh usable with downloads/browsing in background |
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| 19:43.31 | Neaai | jelly: oh useful things made easy? |
| 19:43.35 | Neaai | ^^ |
| 19:43.50 | Pavlz | now i must to install madwifi |
| 19:44.07 | stoned | happy thanksgiving guys |
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| 19:44.27 | jelly-hotel | Neaai: yes. I just run "wondershaper eth0 1700 160" on my 2024/256 "broadband" DSL line, and that's it |
| 19:44.31 | stoned | I give thanks to Debian GNU/Linux |
| 19:44.42 | stoned | I give thanks to #debian support community |
| 19:44.56 | stoned | and I give thanks to each and everyone of you for showing support and providing help |
| 19:44.59 | stoned | thanks guys |
| 19:45.04 | stoned | this past year was very good |
| 19:45.07 | stoned | ya'll are great |
| 19:46.06 | Neaai | jelly: very nice this wondershaper. I'll check. thanks |
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| 19:46.57 | Pavlz | is very easy to install the DebIan |
| 19:47.11 | jelly-hotel | Neaai: I need to replace cbq.init with htb on some routers but I always forget the newer discipline name |
| 19:47.13 | Pavlz | for the first time i found some problems |
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| 19:47.29 | Pavlz | but i prefeer DebIan than Ubuntu |
| 19:47.33 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: what is your native language? |
| 19:47.43 | Pavlz | It |
| 19:48.03 | cr3rzemjest | Neaai, 'tc' is in 'tcng' package :P |
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| 19:48.38 | jelly-hotel | !it |
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| 19:48.49 | Neaai | cr3rzemjest: for me, dpkg -S /sbin/tc shows: iproute: /sbin/tc |
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| 19:49.02 | jelly-hotel | dpkg: test |
| 19:50.10 | jelly-hotel | apt: it |
| 19:50.11 | apt | "It" is a clown that eats children but turns out to be a spider sorta thing. |
| 19:50.11 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.31 | jelly-hotel | funny bot. |
| 19:50.36 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.06 | stoned | no |
| 19:51.07 | stoned | its stephen king |
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| 19:51.14 | Neaai | jelly-hotel: i started with htb and haven't used cbq. but i don't have fancy stuff, the easy parts of the guides have done ok for me. |
| 19:51.15 | stoned | not thebot |
| 19:51.22 | stoned | king is the idiot who came up with the clown |
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| 19:51.24 | jelly-hotel | flower: try it without any spaces in front of / |
| 19:51.38 | jelly-hotel | dpkg: wb |
| 19:52.02 | dpkg | thanks, jelly-hotel. It's good to be back. |
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| 19:54.42 | stoned | jelly |
| 19:54.46 | stoned | where are you right now? |
| 19:54.48 | yansanmo | kill -s HUP cat /var/run/inetd.pid , what does this line mean, is it a syntax error or a new kill feature? |
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| 19:54.54 | jelly-hotel | stoned: uk |
| 19:54.54 | stoned | jelly are you treveling? |
| 19:54.57 | stoned | oh awesome |
| 19:55.03 | stoned | what u doin there |
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| 19:55.47 | jelly-hotel | yansanmo: there are backquotes missing in kill -s HUP `cat /var/run/inetd.pid` |
| 19:55.50 | Pavlz | to install iwconfig |
| 19:56.27 | yansanmo | jelly-hotel, it's inside csync2 debian/prerm |
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| 19:57.36 | Pavlz | i saw only the ethernet |
| 19:57.52 | Pavlz | i don't see the wi-fi card |
| 19:57.54 | jelly-hotel | yansanmo: so, it tries to reload inetd in an unlawful way |
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| 19:58.12 | yansanmo | ok, I will submit a bug report |
| 19:58.16 | Pavlz | is a atheros ar5212/5213 |
| 19:58.18 | jelly-hotel | yansanmo: whoever wrote it doesn't know much about debian |
| 19:58.52 | yansanmo | why? |
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| 19:59.11 | netsurf3 | hello any c++'ers got a free min to help me? |
| 19:59.25 | jelly-hotel | yansanmo: (there are multiple inetd alternatives around... if the package depends on the virtual inet-superserver or whatever, it should be able to handle any of them) |
| 19:59.51 | yansanmo | it check if the pid file exist before |
| 20:00.40 | jelly-hotel | yansanmo: it was likely to exist in sarge; etch uses openbsd-inetd by default and the pid file is probably different too |
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| 20:01.03 | jelly-hotel | netsurf3: uh, wrong channel? |
| 20:01.23 | netsurf3 | oh yes sorry |
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| 20:04.58 | yansanmo | jelly-hotel, it's strange, I can't build the package... it has some error with yy variables |
| 20:05.04 | Pavlz | my debian does not see the card wi-fi |
| 20:06.27 | yansanmo | oh, make clean && ./configure && make did the trick |
| 20:07.09 | Neaai | Pavlz: what do you see when you do cat /var/log/messages | grep theros |
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| 20:07.57 | Neaai | Pavlz: or cat /var/log/messages | grep wifi (or Wifi can't remember, I don't have wifi here now) |
| 20:08.35 | Neaai | Pavlz: yours can be a HAL problem. I've had that with Atheros in an amd64 laptop. |
| 20:09.11 | Pavlz | i don't see nothing |
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| 20:09.23 | Pavlz | under ubuntu works fine |
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| 20:10.40 | Pavlz | how to build from source ? |
| 20:11.40 | SparFux | When debootstrapping I also need to install the debian key ring and stuff so that the installed system can immediately verify and install signed packages. |
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| 20:13.05 | SparFux | ah, what I need is --include=alpha,beta |
| 20:13.12 | GuySoft | um, i have a dependency problem: building po4a depends on libmodule-build-perl, that depends on : libextutils-cbuilder-perl, that depends on: debhelper, that depends back on po4a! |
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| 20:15.05 | Neaai | Pavlz: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=69161&sid=3ff8a00cbf4089f6568aa1707b299669 |
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| 20:15.47 | Neaai | Pavlz: it starts with ubuntu, but the same can be used for debian. You need the madwifi-hal-0.10 |
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| 20:15.58 | Neaai | Pavlz: that's what did it for me. |
| 20:16.29 | Neaai | Pavlz: lspci | grep AR2 |
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| 20:23.41 | GuySoft | also here is another conflict: libmodule-build-perl libextutils-cbuilder-perl libmodule-build-perl |
| 20:24.38 | jelly-hotel | GuySoft: which release are you building for? |
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| 20:25.03 | GuySoft | jelly, unstable |
| 20:25.24 | SparFux | where does debian store it's keyrings? |
| 20:25.33 | GuySoft | jelly-hotel, no sorry, stable |
| 20:25.45 | GuySoft | er no..stable |
| 20:26.09 | jelly-hotel | GuySoft: does backports.org not have at least some build-depends? |
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| 20:26.39 | GuySoft | jelly-hotel, i am trying to build it for the maemo architecture.. |
| 20:27.31 | GuySoft | thats armel |
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| 20:27.53 | jelly-hotel | and I guess backports.org doesn't carry it ;-) |
| 20:28.11 | cr3rzemjest | can somebody explain how was this possible that my pc completely hanged up, completely unresponsive for keys, alt ctrl bckspc, etc., but i could move mouse, and conky was updated?!? what happened i just tried to open uncomplete avi file with gmplayer... i think i could kill it from other machine (because i've had sshd up) but i just pushed the reboot button |
| 20:29.21 | jelly-hotel | cr3rzemjest: X apps can steal the keyboard focus and not give it away |
| 20:29.44 | jelly-hotel | cr3rzemjest: though, it's a bit strange that not even ctrl-alt-backspace worked |
| 20:29.55 | cr3rzemjest | jelly-hotel, it didnt |
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| 20:30.13 | jelly-hotel | cr3rzemjest: try to kill the suspicious app first, next time |
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| 20:30.52 | Pavlz | hello |
| 20:30.53 | cr3rzemjest | jelly-hotel, i tried to switch to tty1 but it also didn't work |
| 20:31.19 | Pavlz | how i must to install madwifi from source ? |
| 20:31.26 | Pavlz | thanks |
| 20:31.53 | jelly-hotel | !it |
| 20:31.53 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:32.19 | Pavlz | is impossible to enter |
| 20:33.02 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: you are banned from that channel |
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| 20:33.48 | Pavlz | i do not know why |
| 20:34.08 | Pavlz | it said banned, why, i do not know |
| 20:34.17 | DeviN | can someone help me with error? http://pastebin.com/m158cc925 i was told to try resetting the uuid but not finding a proper way of doing so |
| 20:34.32 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: did you try asking questions for ubuntu? No idea |
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| 20:39.07 | Pavlz | yes i am asking too in ubuntu |
| 20:39.41 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: which OS _are_ you using? |
| 20:39.59 | Pavlz | debian |
| 20:40.16 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: don't ask about it in #ubuntu, then |
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| 20:40.46 | Pavlz | if nobody can't help me in debian i ask into others parts |
| 20:41.01 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: any answers you get might be suboptimal or wrong |
| 20:41.48 | Pavlz | i have support under ubuntu |
| 20:41.56 | Pavlz | with debian no |
| 20:42.48 | jelly-hotel | Pavlz: well, try not to come asking here if things break |
| 20:44.05 | sim_sim | hello ! Im experiencing some trouble with the texlive-metafont package. I thought it contains the "mptopdf" command. Yet.. it does not. By the way, I wanted to use this package to take advantage of the metauml package inside. But the compilation of some metauml file does not work as I get a graphic with an only and empty class. How can i know in which package the command mptopdf is ? And, does anyone had trouble using the metauml package |
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| 20:46.20 | Pavlz | madwifi is in double license |
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| 20:50.17 | aztek[tum] | I just tried doin' a dist-upgrade from Etch to Lenny and it errors out because my / part is out of space. is there a method to have it use space on a diff partition? or can i span / to another disk |
| 20:50.19 | themill | sim_sim: apt-file search mptopdf => texlive-context: /usr/bin/mptopdf |
| 20:51.05 | sim_sim | themill: thx ! I just found it a sec before on http://packages.debian.org :] |
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| 20:52.30 | sim_sim | themill: ĆÆĀ»ĀæIt also found the mptopdf in this pickage : tetex-bin. Weird it did not tell you this one |
| 20:52.51 | themill | sim_sim: it did, but tetex is deprecated in favour of texlive these days |
| 20:53.29 | sim_sim | themill: right |
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| 20:54.00 | themill | sim_sim: btw if you are on lenny rather than etch, then the package is context not texlive-context. |
| 20:54.15 | themill | wishes people would stop renaming the latex packages |
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| 20:54.58 | jelly-hotel | forkity fork. |
| 20:55.00 | sim_sim | Wonderfull ! Thats crazy but without context, the compilation on a UML file did not make any error/warning and just print me out a diagram with one empty class. Now it is working well ! :b |
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| 20:56.04 | ubuntoil | Hi, I would like to go back to debian (from kubuntu) and I would like to know how unstable is the testing version |
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| 20:56.33 | sim_sim | themill: Im on lenny, yet i just installed the texlive-context should I rather uninstall it to reinstall the context one ? What are the consequences of using some package from a version of a distro or another ? |
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| 20:57.04 | ubuntoil | I trust a lot debian stable, but I would like to have some "new" features |
| 20:57.05 | TheBlasphemer | I want to compile something for use on a system where I am unable to add new shared libraries, are there any standard ./configure or make flags that would facilitate that, or will I have to research on how to statically link each library myself ? |
| 20:57.53 | dff | i cant connect to irc for some reason, ive tried diffrent clients, diffrent servers, with shorewall off and on. everything works but irc - any ideas? |
| 20:57.56 | themill | sim_sim: there's a chance that the context package is actually identical but it might not be; you'd be better off replacing texlive-context with context. You might also want to comment out etch from your sources.list so this doesn't happen again. |
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| 20:59.32 | sim_sim | themill: by the way, sometimes i add sid on my sources.list, retrieve the package and then comment out the sid line. Is it dangerous ? |
| 20:59.46 | sim_sim | because more package on sid.. |
| 21:00.20 | SparFux | I want to use debootstrap --keyring and it misses one key. |
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| 21:00.37 | themill | sim_sim: it can be. When testing and unstable are very similar, there's not so many risks, but as things freeze you'll get more and more problems. For the "right" way of doing it, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:00.42 | sim_sim | themill: hey the etch lines were already commented, guess the name of the lenny package is texlive-context for real |
| 21:01.02 | themill | judd: versions texlive-context |
| 21:01.03 | judd | themill: texlive-context -- etch: 2005.dfsg.3-1 |
| 21:01.05 | oOarthurOo | Using powertop I see that this is the top cause of wakeups "PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad" .... but I'm not sure what it could be. I Don't have anything plugged into a ps/2 port, and my usb mouse registers below that as "USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse (Logitech)" I disabled my touchpad by doing "rmmod psmouse" but the wakeups from this mysterious process persist. |
| 21:01.10 | themill | sim_sim: ^^ shouldn't be |
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| 21:02.07 | sim_sim | themill: Thanks for all :] Just one more thing how to [find information about] use effectively this bot ? |
| 21:02.45 | themill | sim_sim: /msg dpkg bot help |
| 21:02.59 | sim_sim | themill: thanks a lot |
| 21:03.03 | themill | np |
| 21:04.18 | SparFux | debootstrap doesn't check signatures, that's weird. |
| 21:04.27 | sim_sim | judd: versions context |
| 21:04.28 | judd | sim_sim: context -- lenny: 2008.05.21-1 sid: 2008.05.21-1 |
| 21:04.40 | sim_sim | erf |
| 21:04.46 | sim_sim | what is this bot for ? |
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| 21:05.02 | themill | sim_sim: judd only provides version information at present |
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| 21:05.37 | sim_sim | How can i know all the bots present in the channel and their purposes ? |
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| 21:06.10 | sim_sim | - im totally newbie on this -- It s about time i learn using bots and irc chan ... |
| 21:06.32 | themill | sim_sim: they're the main two you want know about. The others are either backups for dpkg, flood prevention or spambots. |
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| 21:07.11 | SparFux | I just use trusted.gpg from /etc/apt. |
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| 21:07.34 | sim_sim | themill: Is there a cmd i could run on the chan returning me the list of bots and their purposes ? Or should I only trust you :b Maybe you are a bot too ! |
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| 21:08.24 | themill | sim_sim: no, yes, no. |
| 21:08.43 | jelly-hotel | sim_sim: /msg dpkg bots |
| 21:08.44 | sim_sim | themill: :b all right thanks |
| 21:09.09 | sim_sim | lol nice ! |
| 21:09.17 | sim_sim | wher eis the judd one ? |
| 21:09.39 | themill | (just added) |
| 21:09.50 | sim_sim | ĆÆĀ»Āæ/msg dpkg bots |
| 21:10.10 | sim_sim | themill: lol |
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| 21:10.33 | sim_sim | themill: It seems you run the place |
| 21:11.03 | themill | hardly |
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| 21:12.28 | sim_sim | :] |
| 21:13.33 | sim_sim | themill: Do you use the metauml package ? |
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| 21:14.03 | themill | no, afraid not. You might find someone in #latex who can help though |
| 21:14.33 | sim_sim | themill: Yep already there, thx for all |
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| 21:15.06 | oOarthurOo | ok... tried a few things, but couldn't get rid of the " PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad" process that powertop reports as waking up the cpu a lot. |
| 21:15.27 | oOarthurOo | IT has to be something listed in lsmod though, right? |
| 21:15.33 | jelly-hotel | oOarthurOo: stop moving your mouse! |
| 21:15.53 | oOarthurOo | jelly-hotel: It's not my mouse. I have a usb mouse that registers when I move the mouse. |
| 21:16.05 | oOarthurOo | And if I remove the mouse, unplug, it still remains. |
| 21:16.22 | jelly-hotel | oOarthurOo: stop moving your keyboard! |
| 21:16.43 | oOarthurOo | heh... ok... but I should be able to test that it's my keyboard by unloading the driver. |
| 21:17.16 | jelly-hotel | hopes oOarthurOo has an alternate input method |
| 21:17.37 | jelly-hotel | copy pasting single letters with mouse is a bit slow |
| 21:17.45 | oOarthurOo | of course. My mouse. And then if that fails... I believe the power cord is an input method. |
| 21:17.55 | SparFux | Done! |
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| 21:22.05 | aetheria | how can opera use a qt-based file open dialog when kde is running, and a gtk one under gnome? is there some way to configure which dialogs get used even under different WMs? |
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| 21:22.40 | aetheria | or is that hard-coded into the app itself? |
| 21:23.46 | adb | ask #opera |
| 21:24.21 | jelly-hotel | aetheria: are you sure it's not just a gtk-lookalike? |
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| 21:25.22 | aetheria | jelly-hotel: yep, its a bonafide gtk file open dialog. |
| 21:25.37 | jelly-hotel | aetheria: nice trick |
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| 21:26.13 | aetheria | lacking all the features of a QT one which I'd prefer to have |
| 21:26.17 | SparFux | So, what do I need to mount in my chroot debian debootstrap environment. |
| 21:27.09 | adb | chroot ? |
| 21:27.15 | aetheria | the behavior of the gtk one is so stupid. there is the path thing at the top that appears in these cludgy-looking blocks. try to navigate up the directory path though with them and they suck |
| 21:27.19 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: /dev? /proc? |
| 21:27.27 | SparFux | and sys. |
| 21:27.50 | jelly-hotel | not sure about needing /sys to mount stuff |
| 21:28.04 | aetheria | and now up- or back- arrows. no ability to put in *.<filetype> to filter the view, etc. etc. |
| 21:28.05 | SparFux | hm.... better be safe. |
| 21:28.16 | SparFux | And I will copy over my apt/sources.list , I think. |
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| 21:29.07 | aetheria | right-click on the gtk dialog window toolbar and - you get absolutely no options for customizing/configuring it - nor do you in any of the control-center options. |
| 21:29.56 | oOarthurOo | The man pages don't contain much useful information on what values are possible under xkb models, in xorg.conf. I've read through xorg.conf, xserver, xkb and still can't find information about the kinds of keyboard models that are allowed to be specified. |
| 21:30.15 | aetheria | and - worse of all - it failts to remember the previous dir - so your forced to navigate via the cludgy, cumbersome interface to the directory path each time you want to upload/download something. massive PITA. |
| 21:31.43 | amphi | control-center? gtk doesn't have a 'control-center' |
| 21:32.10 | aetheria | amphi: gnome's control center |
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| 21:32.48 | ukatan | hey all, I'm having a weird problem with my audio output. |
| 21:33.03 | ukatan | when I have the pcspkr module loaded, I will hear system beeps through the speakers hooked up to my computer |
| 21:33.11 | themill | aetheria: correct. gtk file dialogues are a PITA and options would be confusing to users so it's better not to have them. Apparently. On the up side, gtk2-engines-gtk-qt makes it a bit more usable. |
| 21:33.12 | ukatan | but no sounds I play will come through |
| 21:33.24 | ukatan | I've checked alsamixer and unmuted everything there, still to no avail |
| 21:33.46 | onetinsoldier | ukatan: are you expecting sounds to 'play' through your pc speaker? |
| 21:33.52 | ukatan | no. |
| 21:33.55 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 21:33.59 | ukatan | I expect my desktop computer speakers to play sounds. |
| 21:34.12 | onetinsoldier | ok, so you have a sound card? |
| 21:34.15 | ukatan | the reason I mentioned the beeps is because it shows there's no problem in terms of hookup |
| 21:34.18 | ukatan | yes |
| 21:34.29 | ukatan | IE, the system CAN send sound to the speakers, but it won't for some reason |
| 21:34.52 | onetinsoldier | the pc speaker is totally separate from the sound card and it's speakers tho |
| 21:35.01 | ukatan | no.. the beeps come out of my speakers |
| 21:35.03 | sim_sim | what does PITA mean ? |
| 21:35.07 | ukatan | the system does not have a pc speaker |
| 21:35.22 | jelly-hotel | sim_sim: /msg dpkg wtf pita |
| 21:35.24 | onetinsoldier | ohh... ok, i see |
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| 21:35.58 | TheBlasphemer | How can I recursively chmod all directories (and directories only) as +x ? |
| 21:35.59 | aetheria | themill: doesn't that gtk engine only work for gtk apps run under kde? not for gtk apps under gnome? |
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| 21:36.35 | celeron | Is fbdev considered very slow for something like X11? |
| 21:36.41 | sim_sim | jelly-hotel: wookay :b should not miss this |
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| 21:37.00 | themill | aetheria: umm.. not sure. I only use it under kde |
| 21:37.28 | onetinsoldier | ukatan: just to let you know, i would think the the pcspkr module is for a pc speaker, and not for a sound card and it's speakers, so i am still a little confused i guess |
| 21:37.36 | themill | TheBlasphemer: find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod a+x |
| 21:37.44 | aetheria | themill: the only cross-toolkit types of things i've been finding, similar to that, focus more on the style |
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| 21:38.00 | ukatan | onetinsoldier: my whole point is that I know sound can come out of the speakers, but it won't |
| 21:38.00 | celeron | I am using /dev/fb0 (framebuffer device). Is this fast enough for something like an X11 server? |
| 21:38.20 | ukatan | I don't care what the pcspkr module is meant to do, it sends system beeps through my regular speakers so I know they should work |
| 21:38.30 | aetheria | themill: did just find this though: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077 |
| 21:38.32 | ukatan | but since no one in this channel can get past semantics, I bid you adieu |
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| 21:40.16 | themill | aetheria: I used something like that a while ago and it mostly worked... |
| 21:40.33 | aetheria | i think there's going to start being more of a convergence between the two, because a lot of people are sick of the idiocy of the desktop war thing and want more unified dialogs/controls/etc. |
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| 21:41.28 | aetheria | why TF can't you run say gnome because you like its panels and background features, but also have all your apps use QT widgets? |
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| 21:42.13 | SparFux | After debootstrap and chroot I cann install the stuff for my new system without interfereing with the old system, right? |
| 21:42.41 | sladi | aetheria: Koffice will still use qt under gnome for example, no? |
| 21:42.45 | themill | aetheria: well, I'm doing the opposite (all gtk apps are using qt widgets on my machine) |
| 21:42.48 | SparFux | Anway, my old system is broken ;-) |
| 21:43.15 | aetheria | sladi: that should |
| 21:43.20 | _stack | what is searched to resume after an hibernate?? (hibernate with gnome (/usr/share/acpi-support/suspendorhibernate)) |
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| 21:43.38 | _stack | my pc fails to resume |
| 21:43.40 | aetheria | my god, they can't even e-mail each other to coordinate the menu categories |
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| 21:46.10 | amphi | aetheria: gtk is not gnome |
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| 21:49.19 | SparFux | How can I test a signature of a .deb file to authenticate it? The debian-multimedia package I have to download manually. |
| 21:49.33 | themill | aetheria: the menu categories used in debian are the freedesktop standard ones |
| 21:50.48 | aetheria | themill: under kde i have the kde menus and then a "debian" menu which is probably the freedesktop one you speak of. then under gnome there is a completely different one, without the "debian" one. |
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| 21:51.20 | themill | aetheria: ahh yes... the gnome people "configured" that one away because it was too confusing. |
| 21:51.38 | aetheria | i totally laud debian's menu system and attempt to standardize it, and know that other distro's even implement it. but i totally loathe the way kde and gnome both proceed to ignore it completely. |
| 21:52.32 | aetheria | anyhow, once kde 4.2 is realeased there will probably be no reason to ever look back |
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| 21:53.44 | aetheria | we'll see if this portland project amounts to anything |
| 21:54.19 | aetheria | ultimately, you have to choose between widget sets, unless they are going to create a entirely new one |
| 21:54.41 | aetheria | http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 21:57.39 | SparFux | Oh my god. How do I put a dpkg-get-selections output file into aptitude's database? |
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| 21:58.03 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: you don't? |
| 21:58.09 | SparFux | jelly: I need to. |
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| 21:58.17 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: what about /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 21:58.22 | SparFux | jelly: I want to use aptitude, but I only have --get-selections output. |
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| 21:58.44 | SparFux | jelly: I cannot clone, my packages database is broken. :-\ |
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| 21:58.53 | oOarthurOo | ok... can someone help me kill my keyboard so that I can see if it is the cause of this "PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad" process, which powertop reports as the top cause of wakeups on my system |
| 21:59.23 | SparFux | What about cat /dpkg.get-selections.out | dpkg --set-selections ; apt-get dselect-upgrade ; aptitude update |
| 21:59.34 | oOarthurOo | I've already rmmod'd the touchpad. rmmod psmouse takes care of that. But I can't figure out what to rmmod to get rid of the keyboard, that xorg.conf says is controlleed by the kbd driver |
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| 22:00.30 | gsamsa | i have a sony vaio and when i connect the headphones to it, the speakers keep playing |
| 22:00.34 | gsamsa | need help |
| 22:00.59 | onetinsoldier | SparFux: you have tried doing the --set-sellections and then running aptitude? |
| 22:01.17 | SparFux | onetinsoldier: doesn't this break stuff? |
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| 22:02.11 | onetinsoldier | SparFux: i must admit, i'm not positive. did you say it's already broken? |
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| 22:02.51 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: if you only have that output, it's already broken |
| 22:02.54 | onetinsoldier | SparFux: i can tell you the file to make a backup before doing the --set-selections |
| 22:03.04 | SparFux | onetinsoldier: I have a broken system that is running right now. All package stuff is considered broken. But the system is still working. Though I have no package management. So I install a new harddrive and on this one I want to use the old output of dpkg --get-selections. I did it as a backup. |
| 22:03.27 | jjulian | hi i got some problems with debian 4 spamassassin + qmail it seems he isnt scanning. cause i get so much spam. and i also installed razor but that doesnt change anything can somebody check with me everything? maybe i forgot something?! |
| 22:03.33 | SparFux | onetinsoldier: I did the backup. So I am glad I have the --get-selections output :-) |
| 22:03.35 | themill | SparFux: what do you want in aptitude's database that you won't get from dpkg --set-selections anyway? |
| 22:03.39 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: what using apt-get (on an etch system) would break, is aptitude's knowing which packages are installed automatically as dependencies |
| 22:04.02 | SparFux | themill: I want aptitude to install all the packages which are listed in --get-selections output. |
| 22:04.20 | themill | SparFux: what's so good about aptitude installing them as opposed to apt-get? |
| 22:04.25 | oOarthurOo | here is the output from lsmod... if someone can help me figure out what to rmmod to disable my keyboard on this laptop I would apprecite it. I am trying to track down the source of a high number of intterrupts as reported by powertop http://pastebin.com/d5898f6d7 |
| 22:04.32 | onetinsoldier | SparFux: i am lost as to what you are worried about, i think. if you are concerend about what --set-selections my do to your database, back up the following file first... |
| 22:04.39 | SparFux | jelly: ah. I think when installing all packages from get-selections they are all installed "not automatically" anyway, right? |
| 22:04.40 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: but you don't know which ones were installed automatically with just dpkg --get-selections output, so you're not going to introduce more breakage |
| 22:04.53 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: right |
| 22:05.11 | SparFux | jelly: I get it. |
| 22:05.13 | onetinsoldier | SparFux: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:05.44 | jelly-hotel | onetinsoldier: it's gone, for what we understand |
| 22:05.58 | SparFux | onetinsoldier: yes. that would be it. Anyway, I think I will manually select in aptitude taking my get-selections output as a reference. |
| 22:06.06 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: you didn't find anything status-like in lost+found? |
| 22:06.11 | SparFux | jelly: ok, I admit perhaps I am a bit too cautious right now at the momen.t |
| 22:06.20 | onetinsoldier | SparFux: i recommend just doing the --set-selections.. then apt-get -u install.. or perhaps you will have to do dist-upgrade.. i think just the install tho |
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| 22:06.30 | SparFux | jelly: nah, lost+found is a mess. I recovered some stuff, but I think I should reinstall. :-) |
| 22:06.38 | onetinsoldier | ok.. maybe it would be apt-get -f install |
| 22:06.43 | themill | onetinsoldier: you need to do apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 22:06.48 | onetinsoldier | can't recall for certain |
| 22:06.56 | SparFux | themill: yes. |
| 22:07.00 | onetinsoldier | themill: ahhhh, yes, that's it! |
| 22:07.12 | SparFux | Anyway, I will reselect everything in aptitude so I get good automatically installed packages marks :-) |
| 22:07.29 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: grep -r -l '^Package: ' /lost+found/ |
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| 22:08.38 | SparFux | jelly: there are hits, I scanned the whole lost+found. But I feel a bit worried about using a system which has crashed so hard! |
| 22:08.51 | SparFux | jelly: And it even didn't only crash this one time. |
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| 22:09.23 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: considered hardware issues? |
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| 22:09.37 | radius | hi, trying to switch my win2k box (ibm 8671-2ax) to debian and the cd has been stuck on this (5%) for 20 mins now ... 'Loading module 'cs5535' for IDE chipset support' ... any reason why? |
| 22:09.48 | SparFux | jelly: I am quite sure the culprit is Xorg's ati driver and my X800 card. With the vesa driver it works fine, I hope. |
| 22:09.50 | karsten | mutters a general "Thank you" to #debian for all the help over the years. |
| 22:09.55 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:10.09 | Agiofws | can someone tell me how to install ming on debian ? |
| 22:10.14 | oOarthurOo | I have eliminated usbhid as a possible cause. Even when I remove that the PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad problem remains. |
| 22:10.19 | Agiofws | Ming library not found - you will not be able to render animations |
| 22:10.23 | SparFux | jelly: I had a total system freeze over and over again. And some freezes with network still ok. |
| 22:10.30 | Agiofws | or the ming lib better ? |
| 22:10.32 | themill | karsten: you say that as though you're saying farewell |
| 22:11.20 | karsten | themill: No, it's this little holiday here. |
| 22:11.21 | SparFux | graphics cards vendors give me a hard time. |
| 22:11.34 | themill | !turkeybaste karsten |
| 22:11.34 | dpkg | rubs goooey stuff all over karsten and sticks karsten in the oven for a while. |
| 22:11.41 | karsten | themill: I'm taking it somewhat seriously this year. I very much thank #debian. |
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| 22:12.05 | themill | :) |
| 22:12.06 | Agiofws | Ming library not found - you will not be able to render animations " has anyone ever installed ming on debian ? |
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| 22:12.12 | karsten | themill: there's a slightly more extended rant I think I'll be posting to my website later, deadlines being what they are. |
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| 22:12.42 | jelly-hotel | Agiofws: what's this "ming" you keep asking about? |
| 22:12.45 | karsten | "I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by." Douglas Adams |
| 22:13.07 | karsten | Agiofws: Um, XMing? That's a cygwinish thing, isn't it? |
| 22:13.19 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.20 | Agiofws | nope |
| 22:13.30 | SparFux | jelly: grep found 7 hits! |
| 22:13.47 | elenril | anyone can confirm gnuplot in sid ftbfs with readline=gnu and crashes with postscript term? |
| 22:13.55 | karsten | Agiofws: mingw32 == minimalist GNU win32 cross compiler. |
| 22:14.02 | karsten | Agiofws: Is that what you're talking about? |
| 22:14.06 | Agiofws | Ming is a library for generating Macromedia Flash files (.swf), written in C, and includes useful utilities for working with .swf files |
| 22:14.12 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: you do have correct (well, reasonable) timestamps on the files, I hope? |
| 22:14.54 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: if the first line itself starts with 'Package: ', it's likely /v/l/d/status or a backup of it |
| 22:15.07 | amphi | Agiofws: ming is debian, I believe |
| 22:15.14 | Agiofws | in ? |
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| 22:16.26 | SparFux | jelly: I have to decide wether I want to recover or not. But I think this mess is dangerous. The files in /lost+found aren't garantied to be complete and correct. So the reinstallation is the better way I think. Plus I always wanted to practice the reinstallation with debootstrap and I keep a txt file with hints on what is important with that. |
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| 22:17.14 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: being able to dpkg -l might provide you a better idea of how to proceed with the reinstall |
| 22:17.19 | SparFux | The get-selections output file has 2260 lines! TOO MUCH! I will not manually install this. :-) I will just --set-selections and use apt-get I suppose. |
| 22:17.21 | mmlj4-play | how to get lame installed? is there an apt repository that has it? |
| 22:17.44 | themill | wondered how long it would be before SparFux worked that ouy |
| 22:18.01 | themill | dpkg: tell mmlj4-play about lame |
| 22:18.02 | jelly-hotel | SparFux: or you can try figuring out aptitude's files, put them back and do an aptitude clone ;-) |
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| 22:18.15 | SparFux | jelly: Yes, nice idea :-) |
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| 22:18.34 | jelly-hotel | !TIMTOWTDI |
| 22:18.35 | dpkg | well, timtowtdi is There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl. |
| 22:19.33 | SparFux | Doesn't run aptitude the apt-get in the background anyway? |
| 22:19.54 | themill | It uses libapt, just as apt-get does. |
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| 22:20.57 | adb | Agiofws: apt-cache show libming0 |
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| 22:22.18 | SparFux | I'll do the dselect-upgrade. |
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| 22:23.10 | Agiofws | adb, agiofws@ixus:~$apt-cache show libming0 | paste |
| 22:23.10 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/ecN7rp37.html |
| 22:23.10 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.03 | Agiofws | Reading state information... Done |
| 22:24.03 | Agiofws | libming0 is already the newest version. |
| 22:24.04 | Agiofws | ffs |
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| 22:27.48 | Agiofws | adb, ? |
| 22:27.52 | adb | ? |
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| 22:29.37 | Agiofws | Ming library not found - you will not be able to render animations |
| 22:29.39 | Agiofws | help ? |
| 22:30.09 | aetheria | i love this blog's description of the GTK/GNOME file dialog: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2007/03/file-dialogs.html |
| 22:30.17 | valdyn | Agiofws: and which thing is giving the error? |
| 22:31.14 | Agiofws | a ming python plugin for blender |
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| 22:31.39 | Agiofws | Tooltip: 'Vector Rendering Engine' |
| 22:31.43 | valdyn | Agiofws: so you really want some python version of ming? |
| 22:32.00 | Agiofws | i've installed that aswell |
| 22:32.07 | valdyn | python-ming ? |
| 22:32.22 | Agiofws | yes |
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| 22:33.13 | Agiofws | Reading database ... 169106 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 22:33.13 | Agiofws | Unpacking python-ming (from .../python-ming_1%3a0.3.0-14_i386.deb) ... |
| 22:33.17 | valdyn | Agiofws: python --version |
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| 22:34.01 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/zips/panto$cat pantograph.py | paste |
| 22:34.01 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/rze8BQ65.html |
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| 22:34.32 | jelly-hotel | Agiofws: uh, paste only the url next time |
| 22:34.52 | Agiofws | eave library not found - you will experience somewhat slower rendering times, sorry. |
| 22:34.52 | Agiofws | Weave library not found - you will experience somewhat slower rendering times, sorry. |
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| 22:35.32 | valdyn | 23:32 < valdyn> Agiofws: python --version |
| 22:35.58 | oOarthurOo | Well, I'm not sure what I've done. The strange ps2/keyboard/mouse thing is finally gone, no longer causing huge wakeups. But on a possibly related note I am having a very hard time staying associated with my wireless router. |
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| 22:36.12 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/zips/panto# python --version |
| 22:36.12 | Agiofws | Python 2.5.2 |
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| 22:36.50 | oOarthurOo | I connect using wpa_supplicant in roaming mode, but when I tried to start it from the command line here is the errors I recieved. http://pastebin.com/d1ae36770 |
| 22:37.04 | valdyn | import pantographLib |
| 22:37.13 | valdyn | pantographLib has all the ming related code |
| 22:37.15 | valdyn | probably |
| 22:37.19 | dustybin | what is the debian package for cdrtools? |
| 22:37.39 | valdyn | dustybin: wodim |
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| 22:37.54 | dustybin | valdyn: bloody heck |
| 22:38.00 | valdyn | dustybin: actually, the cdrtools are just split up into seperate packages |
| 22:38.08 | dustybin | valdyn: they could of called it something a bit more related LOL |
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| 22:38.10 | valdyn | cdrecord still exists as a link to wodim |
| 22:38.18 | dustybin | ok |
| 22:38.36 | valdyn | dustybin: same as mkisofs -> genisoimage |
| 22:38.40 | dustybin | LOLOL |
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| 22:39.15 | jeff__ | Hey, is there any reason why after typing the up arrow once at the login screen, everything (Including the text output by login after this) is in caps? Including the terminal that I am dropped to if I login successfully after typing the up arrow and then successfully logging in |
| 22:40.35 | Agiofws | valdyn pantographLib has all the ming related code |
| 22:40.37 | Agiofws | ok wait |
| 22:40.59 | Agiofws | pantographLib.py or pantographLib.pyc ? |
| 22:41.27 | oOarthurOo | My wpa_supplicant log is also full of this: |
| 22:41.27 | oOarthurOo | WPA: Invalid EAPOL-Key MIC when using TPTK - ignoring TPTK |
| 22:41.28 | oOarthurOo | WPA: Could not verify EAPOL-Key MIC - dropping packet |
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| 22:41.46 | oOarthurOo | oops... sorry. thought that would come into channel as one post on three lines. |
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| 22:43.17 | Nevermind_ | Hi, i am using debian etch and have some problems with the package tzdata. There seems to be an error in it. Anyway, I can't install or remove packages. Can someone give me a hint ? There seems to be a newer version, but I can't perform an update. |
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| 22:43.56 | lvh | hi |
| 22:44.01 | lvh | hi |
| 22:44.04 | Agiofws | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/1269000 ? |
| 22:44.10 | lvh | what's the best way to count traffic on an UDP port? |
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| 22:44.44 | zeld | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.53 | zeld | i've accidentally removed all /dev/* |
| 22:44.53 | themill | Nevermind_: you'll need to pastebin the actual output. |
| 22:44.59 | zeld | :S |
| 22:45.08 | zeld | how i can recreate this :S |
| 22:45.39 | jelly-hotel | zeld: which debian release? |
| 22:45.40 | valdyn | Agiofws: i have a feeling that blender is trying to use python2.4 |
| 22:45.52 | zeld | lenny |
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| 22:46.07 | jelly-hotel | zeld: grep /dev /proc/mounts |
| 22:46.11 | valdyn | Agiofws: you could easily create a custom program that tries to import ming, just for reference |
| 22:46.17 | zeld | ok |
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| 22:46.33 | lvh | zeld: if you see "devfs", you're in luck |
| 22:46.34 | jelly-hotel | zeld: no, wait |
| 22:46.39 | zeld | ok.. |
| 22:46.42 | jelly-hotel | is an idiot |
| 22:46.54 | Agiofws | valdyn, i think i could'nt '''' |
| 22:46.55 | valdyn | Agiofws: like this: echo "import ming" | python |
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| 22:47.03 | Agiofws | hmm ok |
| 22:47.12 | Agiofws | valdyn, ... |
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| 22:47.14 | valdyn | Agiofws: now i dont have it install so i get ImportError: No module named ming |
| 22:47.23 | Nevermind_ | themill, please look at http://pastebin.ca/1269002 |
| 22:47.28 | zeld | jelly-hotel: after ? |
| 22:47.39 | Agiofws | import <--- IS a bash command |
| 22:47.46 | jelly-hotel | zeld: awk '$2 ~ /dev/ && !/shm|pts/ {print $0}' /proc/mounts |
| 22:47.53 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ echo "import ming" | python |
| 22:47.53 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ |
| 22:47.54 | valdyn | Agiofws: that doesnt matter, you use echo |
| 22:47.57 | jelly-hotel | zeld: paste the output of that command |
| 22:47.59 | Agiofws | worked i guess |
| 22:48.00 | zeld | ok |
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| 22:48.02 | valdyn | Agiofws: see, this works fine |
| 22:48.10 | valdyn | Agiofws: your blender just uses python2.4 it seems |
| 22:48.17 | Agiofws | valdyn, blender is using new python |
| 22:48.19 | Agiofws | nope |
| 22:48.43 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/kwstas$blender cube-fall1.blend |
| 22:48.43 | Agiofws | Compiled with Python version 2.4.5. |
| 22:48.43 | Agiofws | Checking for installed Python... got it! |
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| 22:48.48 | Agiofws | maybe you are right |
| 22:48.58 | valdyn | Agiofws: uh |
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| 22:49.01 | zeld | jelly-hotel: > http://dpaste.com/94200/ |
| 22:49.11 | valdyn | Agiofws: maybe its just the plugin that is compiled with 2.4.5 |
| 22:49.12 | Agiofws | old python ... |
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| 22:49.35 | valdyn | Agiofws: or was that blender that is compiled with Python version 2.4.5. |
| 22:49.36 | zeld | i was in a ubuntu chroot... |
| 22:49.40 | Agiofws | yes |
| 22:49.51 | Agiofws | so i install belnder new python ? |
| 22:49.56 | zeld | after i've try to remove UBUNTU dir without umount dev... |
| 22:50.02 | Agiofws | so i install belnder compiled on new new python ? |
| 22:50.04 | valdyn | Agiofws: mm, which blender is this? |
| 22:50.05 | zeld | :S |
| 22:50.07 | jelly-hotel | zeld: ok, so you have udev... /dev will be recreated at reboot |
| 22:50.15 | Agiofws | 2.48a |
| 22:50.24 | zeld | jelly-hotel: ok.. |
| 22:50.25 | valdyn | Agiofws: try debians blender |
| 22:50.30 | Agiofws | nana no |
| 22:50.33 | Agiofws | old version |
| 22:50.35 | zeld | if i reboot it's all ok? |
| 22:50.43 | jelly-hotel | zeld: yes. |
| 22:50.44 | zeld | udev solve this? and create the device??? |
| 22:50.45 | zeld | ok.. |
| 22:50.53 | valdyn | Agiofws: 2 minor revisions is significant? |
| 22:50.55 | zeld | i'war unsicure about this.. |
| 22:50.56 | Agiofws | i\ll download theone compiled on new pythin |
| 22:50.59 | kharloss | someone can help me setup phpmyadmin after syscp install ? http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=22275 error 500 looks like an .htaccess error but i cant manage this . any one can help |
| 22:51.02 | kharloss | ? |
| 22:51.02 | Agiofws | valdyn, yes |
| 22:51.04 | zeld | but with your confimr ;) |
| 22:51.06 | jelly-hotel | zeld: all the stuff in /dev is created dynamically with udev |
| 22:51.14 | valdyn | Agiofws: alright |
| 22:51.15 | themill | Nevermind_: what's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.list? |
| 22:51.17 | zeld | yeah.. |
| 22:51.20 | zeld | thnx jelly-hotel:-) |
| 22:51.27 | zeld | fweuuu |
| 22:51.28 | zeld | :-) |
| 22:51.32 | zeld | reboot !!! alter!!! |
| 22:51.37 | Eulex | when using wodim, should it be printing something about the progress while burning? |
| 22:51.58 | Agiofws | Blender 2.48a, Python 2.5 (14 MB) |
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| 22:52.26 | valdyn | Compiled with Python version 2.5.2. |
| 22:52.27 | Eulex | ah, nvm, apparently not, it's done now |
| 22:52.28 | jelly-hotel | Eulex: only if you added some verbosity options |
| 22:52.30 | valdyn | that is debians |
| 22:53.03 | themill | Nevermind_: please keep it in the channel so that others can help too. |
| 22:53.32 | Agiofws | valdyn, how do you know its old python to blame ? |
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| 22:53.44 | valdyn | Agiofws: i dont |
| 22:53.53 | Agiofws | lol |
| 22:53.54 | valdyn | Agiofws: but i know which parts of the system i can usually trust |
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| 22:54.21 | zeld | ok :-) |
| 22:54.30 | zeld | it's all ok1!! few!!! thnx |
| 22:54.34 | JordiGH | Any idea why KDE icons leave junk behind them in the gnome system tray? |
| 22:54.43 | zeld | :-) jelly-hotel |
| 22:54.52 | jelly-hotel | cheers |
| 22:54.52 | valdyn | Agiofws: for instance id have thought about debians ming being broken at the very end |
| 22:55.07 | Agiofws | JordiGH, cuase its more bloated than face book ? |
| 22:55.13 | JordiGH | demands to be appraised of all times of jelly's whereabouts. |
| 22:55.17 | zeld | now i'm going to sleep :-) |
| 22:55.21 | zeld | good night!!! |
| 22:55.26 | JordiGH | Agiofws: snarky comment FAIL. Now try to make yourself useful. |
| 22:55.32 | Agiofws | lol |
| 22:55.38 | themill | Nevermind_: A pile of strange characters at the end of the list file is not a good sign. It usually means some sort of filesystem corruption or hardware doom. |
| 22:55.44 | Agiofws | JordiGH, graphic card issue ? |
| 22:55.53 | Agiofws | drivers you are using ? ? |
| 22:55.57 | JordiGH | Agiofws: That's possible... but weird. Why would only KDE icons do it? |
| 22:56.01 | Agiofws | valdyn, debians ming being broken at the very end |
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| 22:58.01 | JordiGH | Hm. I can't even reproduce the problem reliably. |
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| 22:58.11 | JordiGH | This is such an RC bug. |
| 22:58.23 | JordiGH | "Severity: Critical. KDE icons look like crap on Gnome systray." |
| 22:58.45 | themill | JordiGH: wouldn't it just be "Gnome looks crap, shown up by KDE icons"? |
| 22:58.53 | htmlol | hehe yes |
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| 22:59.12 | JordiGH | themill: Noooo, Gnome is beautiful and buttery and smells of roses. This is clearly KDE's fault. |
| 22:59.26 | Nevermind_ | themill, can I delete the file ? |
| 23:00.35 | Agiofws | valdyn, now i get this error .. |
| 23:00.38 | SparFux | The problem is with my recovery that it takes much time and I get drunk by the cocktails :-) |
| 23:00.46 | themill | Nevermind_: that should solve your problem for the time being, but I'd be worried about the general health of that filesystem and/or disk. Make backups, look into SMART tools to check the HDD and run an fsck on the filesyste, |
| 23:00.48 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/32334 |
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| 23:01.41 | Nevermind_ | themill, I don't think that there is a problem with the filesystem cause I have the same error on different maschines |
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| 23:02.39 | themill | Nevermind_: hmmm... that's not good. Perhaps a problem with a cached .deb? But a corrupted .deb should fail checksum tests. |
| 23:02.51 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/32335 |
| 23:02.51 | k-man | whats a good program for making data dvds? (gui) |
| 23:02.59 | themill | k-man: k3b |
| 23:03.06 | Agiofws | valdyn, www.imagebin.org/32334 www.imagebin.org/32335 |
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| 23:03.28 | themill | Agiofws: you can pastebin these things as text rather than images... it's much easier for us to search through images or copy errors from them that way |
| 23:03.29 | k-man | themill: thanks, ill check it out |
| 23:03.43 | Agiofws | ok i;m sorry |
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| 23:04.51 | oOarthurOo | I've installed wpa_gui to see if it helps me track down the problem with always losing my connection. But now that it's installed I can't find its executable. The man page doesn't tell me where it should be or how to run it, and I can get aptitude to give up the location either. |
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| 23:05.13 | Nevermind_ | themill, I found some things about this error in the internet, but it seems that there is some problems with some versions. It should be ok in lenny. But I have found nothing how to update with this error or how to fix it |
| 23:05.25 | JordiGH | oOarthurOo: dpkg -L wpa_gui | grep bin |
| 23:05.32 | JordiGH | !nickometer oOarthurOo |
| 23:05.33 | dpkg | 'oOarthurOo' is 14.000% lame, jordigh |
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| 23:05.46 | JordiGH | dpkg is very forgiving today. |
| 23:05.46 | dpkg | JordiGH: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 23:06.18 | themill | Nevermind_: there's nothing wrong with the tzdata package. It's installed on every debian etch machine without problems. |
| 23:06.31 | thecookie | Is there some debian recovery usb stick boot iso or something? I need to reconfing my grub |
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| 23:06.53 | mmlj4-play | hi |
| 23:07.03 | themill | dpkg: tell thecookie about rescue |
| 23:07.17 | Agiofws | themill, valdyn http://rafb.net/p/GmRYLU67.html |
| 23:07.27 | joltcan | thecookie: it's in the lenny install guide, it explains how to do your usbstick bootable |
| 23:07.33 | thecookie | Thanks! |
| 23:07.44 | thecookie | joltcan: I have my usb stick bootable, but with the lenny net installer |
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| 23:08.11 | joltcan | thecookie: type rescue at the prompt |
| 23:08.29 | thecookie | It's the gfx installer |
| 23:08.34 | thecookie | can I abor the start of the gui? |
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| 23:08.45 | PeskyJ | I'm just trying to install the latest rtorrent, so I uncommented the "testing" entry in sources.list and did apt-get update, now apt keeps saying Dynamic MMap ran out of room - what does this mean and how do I fix it? |
| 23:08.46 | oOarthurOo | JordiGH: Awesome. Thanks. What's up with the dpkg judements? |
| 23:09.02 | Nevermind_ | themill, perhaps it is a problem in combination with xen. I have installed the new version of tzdata now and everything seems to be ok. Thank you a lot |
| 23:09.05 | themill | dpkg: tell PeskyJ about mmap |
| 23:09.10 | joltcan | thecookie: No idea. You probably have to google that part |
| 23:09.16 | JordiGH | oOarthurOo: I had to guess if that was an uppercase o or a zero, and I was having a hard time typing and tab-completing your nick. |
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| 23:09.33 | themill | PeskyJ: but you can't just grab a package from testing and expect to install it into etch. Look for a backport, /msg dpkg backport |
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| 23:09.57 | JordiGH | oOarthurOo: So I asked dpkg's professional opinion on how much your nick sucked. Turns out, it only sucks a little. |
| 23:10.08 | themill | dpkg, fix JordiGH's fonts |
| 23:10.09 | dpkg | takes JordiGH's fonts to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 23:10.30 | thecookie | joltcan: Yeah, I'll search a bit. I'll let you know if I find something. Or I'll just toss the non gfx installer in there |
| 23:10.34 | Agiofws | Weave library not found - you will experience somewhat slower rendering times, sorry. what package do i need ? |
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| 23:11.11 | oOarthurOo | That's cool. I was afraid maybe dpkg actually knew something about me... not too afraid, because 14% seemed a little low. But still. Good to know. |
| 23:11.16 | cgoetz | hi - what about mepis 8 anybody tested it ? |
| 23:11.33 | JordiGH | !nickometer JordiGH |
| 23:11.35 | dpkg | 'JordiGH' is 8.000% lame, jordigh |
| 23:11.38 | JordiGH | WIN |
| 23:11.41 | JordiGH | \o/ |
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| 23:12.25 | themill | cgoetz: that doesn't sound on-topic for #debian. Try ##linux, perhaps. |
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| 23:13.45 | k-man | themill: k3b is nice thanks :) |
| 23:14.24 | themill | np |
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| 23:15.38 | PeskyJ | themill: would it be easier to just get the source distribution and build that, or would apt throw a wobbly if I play with programs it manages? |
| 23:15.39 | JordiGH | Hm, I wonder why Processing applets don't seem to work with OpenJDK. |
| 23:15.49 | JordiGH | They're about the only thing I've found that doesn't work with it. |
| 23:16.34 | JordiGH | The great thing about naming a project Processing is how impossible it is to grep the internets for your project. |
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| 23:17.21 | PeskyJ | themill: apt now complains about the line I added to apt.conf, saying Extra junk after value |
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| 23:17.36 | Agiofws | Weave library not found - you will experience somewhat slower rendering times, sorry. what package do i need ? |
| 23:17.43 | PeskyJ | themill: if I remove the semicolon it complains about extra junk at end of file |
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| 23:20.31 | themill | PeskyJ: exactly what did you put in what file? |
| 23:21.19 | ma3x | what can i use in debian to zoom little windows? |
| 23:21.22 | ma3x | xzoom seems lame |
| 23:21.47 | ma3x | there was one tool/package, i forgot the name, it seems i can't find it with apt-cache search |
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| 23:22.42 | amphi | ma3x: xmag ? |
| 23:22.48 | ma3x | nah |
| 23:23.06 | amphi | if you want fancy zoom, you'll need to use compiz, I expect |
| 23:23.17 | PeskyJ | themill: dpkg said to put APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; in /etc/apt.conf so I did that |
| 23:23.27 | ma3x | ah it might be kmag let me install it |
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| 23:23.47 | PeskyJ | themill: also, I removed the 'testing' line and added the one it says on backports.org so I will see if it is in there |
| 23:23.58 | PeskyJ | themill: (to sources.list) |
| 23:24.17 | ma3x | yes it's kmag, thanks! |
| 23:24.26 | ma3x | i thought it's not because i already tried it, but apparently i tried xmag |
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| 23:28.28 | streuner | ma3x: what distro do you use actually? |
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| 23:32.45 | PeskyJ | how do I know if I'm running etch? I'm pretty sure it's etch but I installed this machine a looong time ago, is there a file like /etc/issue or something that has it in? |
| 23:32.46 | stoned | hey whats up |
| 23:32.57 | stoned | PeskyJ, /msg dpkg version |
| 23:33.03 | SparFux | jelly-hotel: hey, I could manage to get dpkg -l output of my old suystem :-) |
| 23:34.46 | Agiofws | has anyone ever tried installing http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=18365&package_id=13925&release_id=393815 that on debian |
| 23:34.55 | Agiofws | its driving me nuts |
| 23:34.57 | Agiofws | ffs |
| 23:35.03 | PeskyJ | stoned: debian_version just says "4.0" |
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| 23:36.51 | jberg | i need linux headers 2.6.22-3-386 for lenny but packages.debian.org says no such package? |
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| 23:37.45 | stoned | PeskyJ, that is etch |
| 23:37.47 | PeskyJ | does 4.0 mean etch? |
| 23:37.57 | streuner | !etch |
| 23:37.57 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r5>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen |
| 23:38.00 | stoned | !releases |
| 23:38.00 | dpkg | releases is probably See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 23:38.09 | PeskyJ | stoned: ok, I'm not sure - wish it jsut said "4.0 - etch" or something like that :) |
| 23:38.31 | streuner | jberg: try /msg dpkg sdn |
| 23:38.43 | SparFux | jberg: I think there is only 2.6.18 available. |
| 23:39.10 | SparFux | jberg: And I don't think 386 is maintained. There is only 486. |
| 23:39.20 | dustybin | how could i do a live update of a command? |
| 23:39.32 | dustybin | i need to watch the size of a directory |
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| 23:39.38 | dustybin | using du dir -H |
| 23:39.48 | themill | dustybin: watch |
| 23:39.53 | dustybin | aye thanks |
| 23:40.05 | themill | jberg: 2.6.26 is the current kernel in lenny. The 2.6.22 kernel you have has known security bugs. |
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| 23:40.25 | PeskyJ | ok, I think I've done this right, I added the backports line to sources.list, made sure I was running etch, and I did apt-get -t etch-backports rtorrent install - and it says rtorrent is the newest version, does that mean there is no backport of a later version? |
| 23:40.30 | Agiofws | can some one help me with this package management system error i am getting ? |
| 23:40.33 | Agiofws | http://pasteall.org/3277 |
| 23:40.37 | Agiofws | pls |
| 23:40.48 | Agiofws | # |
| 23:40.48 | Agiofws | Setting up python-ming (1:0.3.0-14) ... |
| 23:40.48 | Agiofws | # |
| 23:40.48 | Agiofws | pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files |
| 23:40.48 | Agiofws | # |
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| 23:40.54 | themill | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 23:40.55 | judd | themill: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2+b2 sid: 0.7.9-2+b2 |
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| 23:41.14 | themill | PeskyJ: ^^ a backport is not already available |
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| 23:41.42 | themill | stew: is judd not importing from experimental atm? |
| 23:42.02 | Agiofws | an some one help me with this package management system error i am getting ? http://pasteall.org/3277 |
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| 23:42.21 | PeskyJ | themill: ok.. some of these bot commands are much quicker and easier than searching the web for information - if you know the commands, thanks for helping out :) |
| 23:42.24 | dustybin | themill: you clever sod, that works great :) |
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| 23:42.34 | themill | :) |
| 23:42.51 | Agiofws | dpkg: error processing python-ming (--configure): themill ? |
| 23:42.51 | dpkg | agiofws: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 23:43.53 | themill | Agiofws: have you asked google? |
| 23:44.02 | PeskyJ | themill: ok, so I want to get the latest version, there's no backport, should I just install from the developers package? what steps should I take to make sure apt doesn't get broken by me upgrading packages it manages manually? |
| 23:44.17 | samanthamourao | is away: respondendo email |
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| 23:44.37 | themill | dpkg: tell PeskyJ about ssb |
| 23:44.46 | Agiofws | themill, yes |
| 23:45.06 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/ugbJ8y33.html |
| 23:45.29 | jberg | my debian lenny pc doesn't have internet, so im downloading the packages i need to get madwifi-tools to work, but it's dependency hell. it says i need linux-headers-2.6.22-3-486 depends: linux-headers-2.6.22-3 (= 2.6.22-6.lenny1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:45.57 | jberg | i can't find linux-headers-2.6.22-3, they are removed from the lenny repository |
| 23:45.58 | Agiofws | jberg, install the real distro with GCC |
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| 23:46.18 | PeskyJ | themill: ooh.. is that like getting the source and building yourself, only apt knows about it? |
| 23:46.21 | jberg | Agiofws, what do you mean with gcc? |
| 23:46.33 | Agiofws | nothing ... |
| 23:46.38 | themill | jberg: 2.6.26 is the current kernel in lenny. The 2.6.22 kernel you have has known security bugs. Also, /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 23:47.08 | jberg | ok, so i need to download the linux-image-2.6.26 and linux-headers-2.6.26? |
| 23:47.08 | themill | PeskyJ: yes, that's right. |
| 23:47.35 | themill | jberg: you'll need them along with a few other packages. use something like apt-zip to automate this. |
| 23:47.36 | jberg | and if i have gcc-4.3 but linux-headers depends on gcc-4.1 can i download gcc-4.1 and then that dependency will be fixed? |
| 23:48.07 | SparFux | My aptitude search linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64 does not give any hits anymore. How can I get this package back? |
| 23:48.25 | themill | SparFux: 2.6.26 |
| 23:48.43 | SparFux | themill: on 2.6.26 the misdn does not compile. |
| 23:48.56 | PeskyJ | themill: that's great.. I always thought apt was clever, didn't know it could do that though |
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| 23:49.25 | themill | SparFux: you can try snapshots but you ultimately need to move to 2.6.26. /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 23:49.57 | themill | Agiofws: do you have locally installed stuff in your python directories? |
| 23:50.13 | Agiofws | themill, |
| 23:50.16 | Agiofws | but i found this |
| 23:50.20 | SparFux | themill: you mean 2.6.25 mgiht be broken? |
| 23:50.25 | Agiofws | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-central/+bug/204526 |
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| 23:50.44 | themill | SparFux: that package is no longer receiving security support |
| 23:50.44 | Agiofws | temporarily add overwrite-local = 1 |
| 23:50.44 | Agiofws | to /etc/python/debian_config. |
| 23:51.17 | themill | Agiofws: sounds plausible |
| 23:51.26 | SparFux | themill: ah, I get it. |
| 23:51.56 | PeskyJ | themill: so what do I put in the deb-src line in sources.list - the path to the .tar.gz archive from the developer? and should it say "main" after? |
| 23:51.56 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/32338 |
| 23:52.01 | SparFux | themill: from 2.6.27 on I will have reallly big problems, because misdn V2 will be included in it and it does not have capi support :-( |
| 23:52.06 | Agiofws | like that ? themill ? |
| 23:52.54 | themill | PeskyJ: no, you duplicate your deb-src mirror line that currently has "etch" in it and change it to "sid" |
| 23:53.13 | themill | SparFux: well lenny will release with 2.6.26 |
| 23:53.38 | themill | Agiofws: looks right, but you know as much about this as I do. TIAS. |
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| 23:55.35 | PeskyJ | themill: ahh, I see, so it will get the 0.7.9 version from sid then |
| 23:56.25 | k-man | hmm - k3b successfully burnt a DVD but when it ejected the disk and then tried to start the verify process it seems to have hung |
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| 23:56.50 | themill | PeskyJ: it will get the source for that version, which you will then compile it so that it (hopefully) works on etch |
| 23:57.52 | PeskyJ | themill: I don't have a line with 'etch' in it, sources.list has a deb for stable main, a deb-src for stable main, and a deb for stable/updates main |
| 23:58.21 | amphi | better change them to 'etch' unless you want a surprise when lenny releases ;) |
| 23:58.34 | themill | PeskyJ: we recommend that you use release code names like "etch" rather than states like "stable" in your sources.list. It saves nasty surprises later on. |
| 23:58.39 | k-man | anyone else had problems like that with k3b? |
| 23:58.52 | PeskyJ | themill: also, in a scenario where a package has a new dependency in a later version, would apt know to get the sources for those new packages too and build those for your old distribution? |
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| 23:59.26 | themill | PeskyJ: you may also have to backport the dependencies. You have to do that yourself; it's not automatic. |
| 23:59.47 | PeskyJ | themill: ok |
