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| 00:09.44 | black_13 | is i possible to run x application from a chroot |
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| 00:10.36 | rhineheart_m | how to unzip files retaining the same structure of the archive ? I just installed unzip |
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| 00:12.12 | joltcan | rhineheart_m: I think you just run unzip foo.zip |
| 00:13.17 | rhineheart_m | joltcan, retaining the same permission ? |
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| 00:15.06 | joltcan | rhineheart_m: I actually don't know how zip handles permissions. you should use tar / bzip2 instead |
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| 00:15.38 | rhineheart_m | thanks |
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| 00:17.03 | joltcan | rhineheart_m: It seems to keep them if you do it with cli zip |
| 00:17.16 | Sazpaimon | my debian system just told me this: http://pastebin.com/m725c42e6 |
| 00:17.20 | Sazpaimon | what does it mean? |
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| 00:19.35 | dmajnem | DNS seems to be borked on my machine, any tips? |
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| 00:20.26 | joltcan | Sazpaimon: Good question. What did you try and do? |
| 00:20.46 | Sazpaimon | joltcan, nothing, i just alt tabbed to putty and saw that message, and noticed apache was down |
| 00:21.04 | Sazpaimon | i try running w and nothing happens, i cant ctrl+c to stop the app |
| 00:21.27 | joltcan | Sazpaimon: and you don't have a console attached to it? |
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| 00:21.38 | Sazpaimon | joltcan, i have serial console, will that work? |
| 00:22.20 | joltcan | Sazpaimon: only if you configured so that grub sends the output to serial |
| 00:22.24 | Sazpaimon | yep |
| 00:22.34 | joltcan | Sazpaimon: Hard to have any conclusions from that error though. I have never seen it |
| 00:22.42 | joltcan | probably something in the kernel that died |
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| 00:24.04 | Sazpaimon | joltcan, i logged into serial console, and thos came up: http://pastebin.com/m2a47d8c5 |
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| 00:25.58 | joltcan | Sazpaimon: Can't get any information out of that either, sorry |
| 00:26.22 | Sazpaimon | joltcan, i try stracing w and getting this: http://pastebin.com/m6f0fc831 |
| 00:26.43 | Sazpaimon | that's where it stops, could it be possible that apache errored out and didnt properly exit? |
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| 00:27.38 | joltcan | looks like it. But hard to say why |
| 00:27.46 | joltcan | a bit out of my league |
| 00:27.54 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
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| 00:31.35 | Sazpaimon | damn it, i cant even strace or kill the pid |
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| 00:37.31 | rgr | firefox is kicking off xine plugin for mov files. How do I change this? (Xine doesnt buffer and stream properly). |
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| 00:38.06 | Bubs | Hi could anyone help, i just installed flash-nonfree but it hasn't installed the plugin to iceweasel how can i sort this out? |
| 00:38.24 | Sazpaimon | joltcan, here's what ive got from syslog: http://pastebin.com/m9f85d6a |
| 00:38.30 | Bubs | im running lenny |
| 00:40.15 | joltcan | Sazpaimon: seems to be httpd alright |
| 00:40.41 | Sazpaimon | joltcan, kill -9 <pid> will not end the process, what can I do to destroy it |
| 00:40.45 | joltcan | but I have no idea why it died |
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| 00:40.53 | joltcan | Sazpaimon: Probably nothing short of reboot |
| 00:41.23 | Sazpaimon | there's gotta e something else |
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| 00:44.44 | Sazpaimon | joltcan, at the very least is there a way to free the listening socket it's created so i can at least spawn a new httpd process |
| 00:50.07 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
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| 00:52.16 | joltcan | Sazpaimon: No, don't think so. Hard to do anything when it's a zombie |
| 00:52.38 | Sazpaimon | if i cat /proc/<pid>/status it tells me its status is "disk sleep" |
| 00:52.45 | Sazpaimon | that mean anything useful? |
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| 00:54.14 | joltcan | Not that I can help you with at least :/ |
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| 00:55.33 | cockroach | hey, i just got this one: http://pastebin.ca/1270716 on a lenny kernel - the system seems to work fine, yet i'm slightly worried :) - does this look familiar to anyone or should i report it? |
| 00:55.44 | Sazpaimon | well, looks like i dont *need* to reboot, i can change the kernel runlevel, which is close, but i dont need to deal with rebooting the system |
| 00:55.54 | Sazpaimon | what runlevel can i safely change to |
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| 00:59.18 | Sazpaimon | im guessing if i run telinit 3 then telinit 2 i should be good? |
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| 01:00.18 | cockroach | Sazpaimon: yes, 3 should be safe |
| 01:00.33 | Sazpaimon | can i run telinit 3 and still stay on ssh? |
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| 01:00.42 | Sazpaimon | or will i need to be on the serial console |
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| 01:00.57 | cockroach | afaik 4 and 5 have no special meaning on debian either - just don't use 0, 1 or 6 |
| 01:01.12 | Sazpaimon | hmm |
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| 01:01.16 | cockroach | (brb) |
| 01:01.22 | Sazpaimon | looks like changing to runlevel 3 didnt kill the process |
| 01:01.51 | cockroach | (b i am) |
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| 01:02.23 | Sazpaimon | which runlevel will keep my serial console but make sure that all processes are killed |
| 01:02.24 | cockroach | i didn't really follow the conversation (mostly because i wan't here) - what seems to be the problem? |
| 01:02.33 | Sazpaimon | cockroach, i have a process set in "disk sleep" status |
| 01:03.00 | Sazpaimon | i can't kill -9 the process because of this, and its hogging up a socket that i need |
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| 01:03.31 | Sazpaimon | i thought changing the runlevel would make the kernel kill the process, but that didn't do it, and I *really* dont want to have to reboot |
| 01:03.35 | cockroach | hmm, afaik if you can't kill -9 it you're pretty much out of luck, it's the "strongest" way to kill a process... |
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| 01:03.56 | Sazpaimon | what is runlevel 1 again? |
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| 01:04.10 | Sazpaimon | that'll basically kill all open processes right? |
| 01:04.22 | cockroach | single user mode |
| 01:04.23 | amphi | Sazpaimon: single-user mode |
| 01:04.25 | cockroach | see man init |
| 01:04.36 | Sazpaimon | ok, good |
| 01:04.45 | Sazpaimon | if i switch to runlevel 1, i can go back into 2 just fine, right? |
| 01:05.48 | cockroach | i think so, especially when you're on a serial console |
| 01:05.57 | Sazpaimon | good |
| 01:05.59 | cockroach | you might lose ssh, though |
| 01:06.07 | Sazpaimon | if all else fails, i can restart |
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| 01:09.03 | Sazpaimon | man, not even telinit 1 is working |
| 01:09.09 | Sazpaimon | guess i'll need to reboot |
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| 01:10.12 | stoned | hey |
| 01:10.17 | stoned | cockroach |
| 01:10.21 | stoned | wtf man |
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| 01:10.34 | stoned | amphi, dude... |
| 01:10.37 | stoned | what is going on in h ere |
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| 01:11.56 | Sazpaimon | alright, seems to be stuck at "Asking all remaining processes to terminate..." |
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| 01:12.03 | Sazpaimon | guess i'll need to hard reboot |
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| 01:12.51 | cockroach | sounds bad but correct |
| 01:13.03 | amphi | Sazpaimon: magic sysrq |
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| 01:13.15 | cockroach | ah, the elephants :) |
| 01:13.30 | amphi | eh? |
| 01:13.45 | amphi | stoned: pon ? |
| 01:13.46 | Sazpaimon | amphi, my keyboard has no sysrq key |
| 01:14.02 | amphi | no PrtSc ? |
| 01:14.05 | cockroach | "Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring" |
| 01:14.43 | cockroach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#.22Raising_Elephants.22_mnemonic_device |
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| 01:15.11 | amphi | ah ;) |
| 01:15.12 | stoned | hi |
| 01:15.18 | Sazpaimon | amphi, oh thats right i forgot the two are shared |
| 01:15.40 | stoned | dude |
| 01:15.46 | stoned | who the fuck is a cockroach? |
| 01:15.50 | stoned | where did he come from? |
| 01:15.56 | stoned | why would someone pick a nickname like cockroach? |
| 01:16.00 | stoned | what the FUCK is going on!? |
| 01:16.14 | stoned | why is this causing me to freak out!? |
| 01:16.20 | stoned | dude.... |
| 01:16.20 | cockroach | !cockroach |
| 01:16.23 | seldon | Because you are stoned. |
| 01:16.29 | cockroach | meh :) |
| 01:17.45 | amphi | stoned: you're being like the guy at the beginning of "a scanner darkly' ;) |
| 01:18.16 | stoned | heh |
| 01:18.18 | stoned | I have never seen it |
| 01:18.26 | stoned | amphi, and yes pin indeed |
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| 01:18.41 | stoned | and why are you not with myself in #debian-chat |
| 01:18.52 | amphi | it was pretty funny in places, I thought |
| 01:19.12 | stoned | amphi, I am developing stuff in php-gtk2 |
| 01:19.13 | stoned | :) |
| 01:19.16 | Polarina | How do I enable pcap logging in Kismet? |
| 01:19.19 | amphi | I'm hardly here for that matter |
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| 01:20.03 | amphi | I've discovered the 'Tempest Prognosticator', the only non-medical use of leeches I'm aware of |
| 01:20.17 | amphi | stoned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_Prognosticator |
| 01:20.26 | amphi | stoned: you _know_ you need one |
| 01:21.11 | stoned | how much crack did you smoke? |
| 01:21.19 | stoned | why would I use this and not the weather.com channel? |
| 01:21.37 | stoned | or I could simply poke my head out the window bro |
| 01:21.39 | stoned | ... |
| 01:22.08 | amphi | a choice between some tv crap, and leeches ringing a bell with little hammers?? wtf is wrong with you? |
| 01:22.22 | stoned | dude |
| 01:22.34 | stoned | if the leeches actually rang a bell with a tiny little tack hammer |
| 01:22.34 | stoned | sure |
| 01:22.49 | stoned | but they have no hands |
| 01:22.52 | amphi | 'Merryweather referred to the leeches as his "jury of philosophical councilors"' ;) |
| 01:22.52 | stoned | so ... |
| 01:23.04 | stoned | seriously, can I have some of what you're smoking? |
| 01:23.05 | zapster | lol..bet all the rf we have aronud us now would keep the leeches upset a lat |
| 01:23.08 | zapster | *lot |
| 01:23.17 | amphi | stoned: just RTFA |
| 01:23.31 | stoned | fine! |
| 01:23.43 | amphi | sorry, I seem to have strayed somewhat from the topic |
| 01:24.02 | amphi | zapster: heh |
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| 01:32.18 | mikeblack_ | http://deine-nackte-weihnachtsfrau.net/?id=2667561 |
| 01:33.52 | seldon | Wheee, spam! |
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| 01:36.18 | Saz|Laptop | is it possible to give a name for a screen window? the pid doesnt really jump out to me |
| 01:36.48 | amphi | yes |
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| 01:37.47 | Saz|Laptop | Alright, how do i go about this |
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| 01:38.18 | seldon | screen -S name |
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| 01:39.30 | Saz|Laptop | that works, thanks |
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| 01:39.58 | seldon | You're welcome. |
| 01:42.10 | amphi | Saz|Laptop: oh, you meant a session, not a window |
| 01:42.40 | Saz|Laptop | amphi, correct, basically if i have multiple screen sessions, i can't tell which is which from screen -r |
| 01:42.54 | amphi | right |
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| 01:54.27 | \r\n\r\n\r\n | ok |
| 01:55.20 | amphi | !nickometer \r\n\r\n\r\n |
| 01:55.22 | dpkg | '\r\n\r\n\r\n' is 99.840% lame, amphi |
| 01:55.32 | amphi | pas mal ;) |
| 01:56.12 | CoolCold | btw, who knows, where vmstat takes blocked processes count? i guess from /proc/vmstat but can't find word 'block' |
| 01:56.49 | \r\n\r\n\r\n | !nickometer chanserv |
| 01:56.51 | dpkg | 'chanserv' is 0.000% lame, \r\n\r\n\r\n |
| 01:58.06 | \amethyst | CoolCold: /proc/stat |
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| 01:58.23 | CoolCold | \amethyst: 10x |
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| 01:58.42 | CoolCold | looks like context switches are there too.. |
| 01:59.00 | CoolCold | is setting up nagios :) |
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| 02:02.11 | {allo} | !nickometer l33t |
| 02:02.13 | dpkg | 'l33t' is 37.000% lame, {allo} |
| 02:02.32 | {allo} | !nickometer 1337 |
| 02:02.34 | dpkg | '1337' is 63.000% lame, {allo} |
| 02:02.45 | {allo} | !nickometer 1338 |
| 02:02.46 | dpkg | '1338' is 63.000% lame, {allo} |
| 02:02.58 | {allo} | 1337 is worse.... |
| 02:02.59 | {allo} | no? |
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| 02:03.47 | sine | hi guys and gals |
| 02:04.07 | sine | is there a debian newbie channel where i can ask questions about syntax and commands |
| 02:04.45 | sine | i installed debian etch in january and messed about with it and i havent touched it since then and i want to pick up where i left off so im having a go at finishing the customisation |
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| 02:09.16 | sine | how can i access my windows partition from within debian |
| 02:09.26 | sine | i know i have to mnt/ somthing but i cant remember |
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| 02:09.29 | sine | ill google |
| 02:09.50 | nolimitsoya | sine, man mount |
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| 02:11.28 | sine | and what is the package obtaining syntax |
| 02:12.19 | sine | apt-get |
| 02:13.25 | amphi | sine: or aptitude |
| 02:14.01 | black_13 | amphi, your here as well |
| 02:14.23 | nolimitsoya | sine, the syntax is explained in the apt manfile |
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| 02:17.54 | black_13 | adb, any idea why xterm doesnt work on my chrooted xorg? |
| 02:19.20 | sine | how do i check what version of debian i have |
| 02:19.32 | sine | i think that it might be old and i will need to update the packages |
| 02:21.32 | CoolCold | sine: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:22.46 | sine | 4.0 |
| 02:22.50 | sine | is that the latest |
| 02:22.54 | sine | i think i installed etch |
| 02:23.31 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.46 | iShock | I think debian install just hanged |
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| 02:25.12 | iShock | Guys |
| 02:25.39 | iShock | If my comp shuts down in the middle of install, does it resume where it was or just has to start over? |
| 02:27.48 | iShock | Hello? |
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| 02:29.28 | piotrek86 | iShock: try install again |
| 02:29.37 | liable | iShock: start over |
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| 02:29.47 | xoz | iShock: better to start over. check and skip if you know what you are doing using the main menu. |
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| 02:32.27 | Firefishe | I'm compiling a kernel.org kernel, using a config file from my current debian lenny distro. I've just done the configuration, and then am using the `make dpg-pkg' command. This is being done in my home directory so as not to damage /usr/src/ . Everything seem okay here? |
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| 02:33.14 | Firefishe | Above should be `make deb-pkg' command |
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| 02:33.46 | Firefishe | make Firefishe type_better Y/n/m Y |
| 02:33.49 | Firefishe | ;) |
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| 02:34.51 | {allo} | allo |
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| 02:35.26 | Firefishe | allo |
| 02:35.36 | Firefishe | or should I say, allo, allo ;) |
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| 02:35.47 | {allo} | both are good |
| 02:36.16 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 02:36.27 | bbelt16ag | I made a boo boo. I did a rm -rf on my music directory, but it only got 1 gig or so of my data.. is there any way I could find out what music I lost? I know I can't recover it from the disk but I can download it.. |
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| 02:37.18 | {allo} | bbelt16ag, open an old playlist |
| 02:37.36 | jpinx | bbelt16ag: you might want to read up man ddrescue |
| 02:37.57 | bbelt16ag | hmmm |
| 02:38.07 | bbelt16ag | its like 200 gigs |
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| 02:38.17 | bbelt16ag | I can't wait 3 months to know what I am missing |
| 02:38.58 | {allo} | you dont have an old playlist? |
| 02:39.46 | bbelt16ag | nope amarok wiped it already |
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| 02:40.33 | Firefishe | bbelt16ag: Maybe you can find an old config file in the directory where your music player stores it's music. Sometimes those dot(.) directories/files have listings of what was in your library. |
| 02:40.39 | {allo} | the rm -rf as top at each letter? look if you only loose music (or singer) that begging with 'a' |
| 02:40.51 | Firefishe | like, .amarok in your home directory |
| 02:40.54 | {allo} | top = stop? |
| 02:40.56 | Firefishe | or a backup file |
| 02:41.29 | bbelt16ag | got it |
| 02:41.43 | jpinx | bbelt16ag: playlists are just files and might well not be stored amongst your tracks |
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| 02:41.52 | bbelt16ag | I found a list of music.. |
| 02:41.55 | iShock | Why won't debian auto-detect my wireless card? |
| 02:41.56 | bbelt16ag | not sre if its current |
| 02:41.59 | bbelt16ag | anyways |
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| 02:42.10 | Firefishe | iShock: Various reasons. What type of card is it? Also, laptop or desktop? |
| 02:42.21 | jpinx | iShock: what debian are you running? |
| 02:42.31 | {allo} | bbelt16ag, and buy the music |
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| 02:42.42 | iShock | 4.0, Linksys laptop |
| 02:42.44 | godsend | algum brasileiro ae? |
| 02:42.45 | bbelt16ag | I did |
| 02:42.59 | Firefishe | linksys probably means Broadcom |
| 02:43.07 | bbelt16ag | well its two gigs I will figure out I am missing something one day. |
| 02:43.11 | sine | ive mounted my windows partition with root in the console but when i go to open it in the gui it says i dont have permission to do this. how do i give my normal user perm or to make it accessable |
| 02:43.15 | jpinx | iShock: etch or lenny? |
| 02:43.18 | iShock | Etch |
| 02:44.08 | iShock | jpinx, anything else |
| 02:44.12 | Firefishe | iShock: You'll want to do a, as root: lspci |
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| 02:44.24 | jpinx | !tell iShockabout wireless |
| 02:44.25 | iShock | Command not found. |
| 02:44.27 | Firefishe | that should give you your wireless hardware's type |
| 02:44.48 | jpinx | !tell iShock about wireless |
| 02:44.49 | Firefishe | !tell Firefisheabout wireless |
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| 02:45.03 | Firefishe | oh, user specific...sorry |
| 02:45.14 | sine | do i have to give the /mnt/windows normal user acces with chroot or somthin |
| 02:45.15 | iShock | What package has lspci? |
| 02:46.00 | iShock | What package has lspci? |
| 02:46.06 | Firefishe | lspci is a command |
| 02:46.16 | iShock | But it's not found. |
| 02:46.17 | Firefishe | iShock: apt-get install lspci |
| 02:46.20 | iShock | Therefore, I need to install something |
| 02:46.31 | iShock | Couldn't find package. |
| 02:46.37 | iShock | I probably need to get on-line first. |
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| 02:46.58 | adb | pciutils |
| 02:47.01 | Firefishe | iShock: Means you have to get your /etc/apt/sources.list up to snuff, as well. Set it up to access the online repositories. |
| 02:47.09 | Firefishe | adb...thanks you |
| 02:47.17 | Firefishe | thank rather... |
| 02:47.19 | iShock | Firefishe, I'm not online .. |
| 02:47.34 | Firefishe | iShock: different puter, eh? |
| 02:47.42 | jpinx | iShock: try as root |
| 02:47.44 | iShock | Yeah. It's sitting next to me |
| 02:47.59 | Firefishe | iShock: plug it in? |
| 02:48.02 | jpinx | or as sudo |
| 02:48.15 | iShock | I did, no installation candidate |
| 02:48.18 | jpinx | preferably with the cable plugged in ;) |
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| 02:48.34 | iShock | I don't HAVE a cable |
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| 02:48.42 | Firefishe | np |
| 02:48.44 | iShock | This box and that box are both supposed to be wireless. |
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| 02:49.06 | Firefishe | yes, but most wireless routers still have ethernet plugs (4 usually) on their backside. |
| 02:49.20 | jpinx | iShock: makes it difficult to install stuff if you can't get online.... |
| 02:49.21 | Firefishe | You at home or in public? |
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| 02:49.32 | iShock | But I don't have a cord long enough to get across the hall. |
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| 02:49.50 | Firefishe | Is one puter, the one you're on, a desktop: |
| 02:49.52 | Firefishe | ? |
| 02:50.00 | iShock | No, a laptop on wireless. |
| 02:50.11 | iShock | The only hard-wired desktop is acrossed the hall |
| 02:50.23 | Firefishe | Is your wireless built-in to the new laptop, or in a pcmcia port? |
| 02:50.33 | iShock | Pcmcia |
| 02:51.00 | Firefishe | Ten to one odds, that linksys card is a broadcom chipset. Still, one needs to find out. |
| 02:51.22 | iShock | I'm sure it is. |
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| 02:51.41 | Firefishe | You'll have to download the pciutils .deb file from the repositories directly, put it on a jump drive, then transfer it over to the laptop in question |
| 02:51.55 | iShock | A jump drive? How's a DVD-R sound? :x |
| 02:52.08 | Firefishe | does that laptop have a dvd drive? |
| 02:52.14 | Firefishe | or a cd drive? |
| 02:52.30 | iShock | CD/DVD |
| 02:53.02 | Firefishe | that'll work. I'd make it so you can append more files to the dvd, as well, just in case you need more .deb's later, until you can get online. |
| 02:53.14 | iShock | I have a ton of DVDs |
| 02:53.28 | iShock | I can just copy stuff onto the CD, right? |
| 02:53.37 | Firefishe | I'd read that wireless info *thoroughly*, then try each and every command before doing that, though. |
| 02:54.02 | Firefishe | iShock: To get it back, just do this: /msg dpkg wireless |
| 02:54.19 | sylarrr | if I have ntp running on my debian, can I point other computers in my LAN to the debian instead of outside servers? |
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| 02:54.46 | iShock | Firefishe, what driver do I need for broadcom, b43? |
| 02:54.56 | jpinx | iShock: ask dpkg for the additional info mentioned as well - it's all relevant and useful |
| 02:55.15 | Firefishe | yes, or bcm43xx |
| 02:55.25 | iShock | So basically, this isn't created for help, this is is created to make people talk to bots.. |
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| 02:56.18 | Firefishe | iShock: No, it's intended as a help channel, but you need to realize, there are so many different issues, that standard answers are available. I can tell you a tone of stuff about broadcom, because that's practically what I've been using. |
| 02:57.03 | Firefishe | Do not look dpkg in the chips! That bot saves my arse every time I do a new install. The answers are there, I know how to use them, and I can usually get through with a minimum of fuss. |
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| 02:57.16 | Firefishe | iShock: pm me if you want |
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| 02:57.24 | iShock | Firefishe, any .deb I need besides the pciutils? |
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| 02:57.47 | Firefishe | iShock: Well, if it says it needs other packages as dependencies, it'll tell you |
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| 02:58.17 | Firefishe | it's a low-level tool, so probably not. Also, it's command line. |
| 02:58.31 | Firefishe | although I do not know definitively |
| 02:58.57 | Firefishe | iShock: Did you try any of the other commands, first? That'll save you a lot of headache. |
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| 02:59.10 | iShock | Like what? |
| 02:59.10 | Firefishe | hwinfo, perhaps |
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| 02:59.34 | iShock | How will hwinfo help me? |
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| 03:00.41 | enouf | !bw43xx |
| 03:00.47 | Firefishe | What any of these programs do, is list the various pieces of hardware that are attached, either directly or indirectly, to your running system. You have to sort through the output to find your pcmcia card. |
| 03:00.57 | enouf | !bcm43xx |
| 03:00.57 | dpkg | well, bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in Linux since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with Linux 2.6.18, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43> and <b43legacy> in Linux 2.6.24 and later. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and removed from mainline in 2.6.26. |
| 03:01.43 | Firefishe | iShock: Do this in a terminal: uname -r |
| 03:02.11 | Firefishe | ah yes, the ol' fwcutter...luuuuuvely ;) hee |
| 03:02.12 | iShock | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 03:02.26 | Firefishe | k, then bcm43xx is what we're looking for |
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| 03:03.09 | Firefishe | might as well see if the module is there...type: lsmod / Then look down the list...you may need to scroll. To make your life easier, you could do this: lsmod | less |
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| 03:03.30 | Firefishe | then use the arrow keys to scroll up and down |
| 03:03.46 | adb | !b43 |
| 03:03.46 | dpkg | well, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are rather supported by the <b43legacy> driver. |
| 03:03.51 | iShock | What am I looking for? |
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| 03:04.40 | enouf | You still haven't found what you're looking for? |
| 03:04.51 | iShock | Firefishe? What module? |
| 03:05.02 | Firefishe | iShock: You have to find out what *chipset* you're using, first. If the linksys card is a broadcom, and it's older, it'll probably use the bcmr43xx module. If not the new b43 module will probably be it. If it's a different chipset, it'll need a different one. |
| 03:05.08 | Firefishe | modules are drivers |
| 03:05.22 | iShock | You said lsmod, what am I looking for in lsmod? |
| 03:05.36 | Firefishe | see if b43 or bcm43xx are loaded |
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| 03:05.52 | iShock | Nope. |
| 03:05.57 | Firefishe | if not, try doing this, as root: modprobe bcm43xx |
| 03:05.59 | iShock | I grep -i bc'd it, nothing. |
| 03:06.01 | Firefishe | or modprobe b43 |
| 03:06.17 | Firefishe | k, then you don't have them. |
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| 03:06.24 | iShock | bcm43xx worked. |
| 03:06.36 | Firefishe | so it loaded? |
| 03:06.55 | iShock | Teag, |
| 03:06.58 | sine | root mounted an ntfs partition but user1 cant access it, how can i get around this |
| 03:06.59 | iShock | Yeah* |
| 03:07.11 | Firefishe | iShock: k |
| 03:07.37 | Firefishe | iShock: see if you have hwinfo. type the command and see if it gives you output |
| 03:07.48 | iShock | Nope. |
| 03:07.56 | Firefishe | lspcmcia ? |
| 03:08.09 | iShock | Yeah! |
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| 03:08.51 | iShock | Firefishe, it;s there. |
| 03:09.25 | Firefishe | iShock: You can't paste really more than one line in here, so I'd go to http://rafb.net/paste, paste the text in a window, then paste the resulting url here. |
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| 03:09.38 | Firefishe | Does the output show anything? |
| 03:09.40 | iShock | Paste WHAT? |
| 03:09.49 | iShock | Socket 0 Bridge and Socket 1 Bridge |
| 03:09.52 | Firefishe | no caps please |
| 03:10.06 | iShock | [yenta_cardbus] on both, different bus IDs |
| 03:10.20 | Firefishe | yeah, that's a common one, yenta..I have that on a few of mine |
| 03:10.38 | Firefishe | try this: (as root) cardctl info |
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| 03:10.59 | iShock | A whole bunch of stuff |
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| 03:11.23 | jdrake | Is there any particular reason why aptitude would say there are 22k new packages when I checked today? |
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| 03:11.29 | Firefishe | iShock: Do you know how to use a pastebin? |
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| 03:11.39 | iShock | Yeah, but how do I pastebin that without being online? |
| 03:11.56 | Firefishe | oh...doh |
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| 03:12.03 | iShock | :P |
| 03:12.10 | iShock | Tell me what you want from that, I'll grep it |
| 03:12.14 | Firefishe | well, you'll have to type it out...we're only needing to find one line, anyway |
| 03:12.24 | iShock | What line? |
| 03:12.29 | Firefishe | iShock: Okay if I pm you? |
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| 03:12.41 | iShock | Yeah. |
| 03:12.51 | Haze1 | hello |
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| 03:14.06 | sineDebiaN | soooooo |
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| 03:14.13 | sineDebiaN | any help with my little query |
| 03:14.36 | vdette | Hey all, does the "new" info on slash really cover anything new to a developer or is it just another fancy pop troll? |
| 03:14.38 | sineDebiaN | i want to make the mouned windows directory available to non root accounts |
| 03:14.59 | iShock | jpinx, what does "cs: warning: no high memory space available!" mean |
| 03:15.06 | Haze1 | i've just installed a debian lenny, and nvidia-glx package, but i've xorg 7.3 so there is no section with something like driver = "nv" (which i mean to replace by "nvidia" |
| 03:15.27 | Haze1 | how i active nvidia-glx with xorg 7.3 ? thx |
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| 03:19.00 | jpinx | iShock: sounds like you're running out of ram |
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| 03:19.16 | iShock | How can I possibly be running out of ram, all I have installed is Debian .. |
| 03:19.21 | killswitch | i just upgraded to lenny and now banshee crashes on startup. i saw that there was a bug submitted for this but does anyone know if there is a workaround or fix? |
| 03:22.28 | iShock | jpinx, how can I check? |
| 03:22.42 | jpinx | iShock: do free |
| 03:22.58 | iShock | Do I want Mem: or Swap:? |
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| 03:23.22 | jpinx | himem is part of mem |
| 03:23.40 | iShock | I've got 215996 free under Mem: |
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| 03:24.27 | jpinx | iShock: that's huge - I barely have that much to start with ;) |
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| 03:24.44 | iShock | I have 3 columns under free |
| 03:24.58 | iShock | 215996, 245320, 200772 |
| 03:26.06 | jpinx | iShock: I'm not expert enough to know much more, but try googling high memory to find out more about what your system is doing |
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| 03:27.05 | jpinx | the three entries you have under free refer to mem, cache and swap -- am I right? |
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| 03:27.59 | iShock | Yeah. |
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| 03:28.03 | iShock | But I've got to run across the hall. |
| 03:28.08 | sineDebiaN | bash: unmount, command not found WTF |
| 03:28.25 | jpinx | sineDebiaN: run it as root or sudo |
| 03:28.33 | sineDebiaN | i am |
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| 03:28.54 | sineDebiaN | whoami = root |
| 03:28.55 | jpinx | sineDebiaN: aptitude install mount ?? |
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| 03:29.34 | sineDebiaN | 0 to all |
| 03:29.50 | jpinx | iShock: I hear your frustration, but time spent googling will certainly help you |
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| 03:30.04 | sineDebiaN | ive mounted with it |
| 03:30.14 | enouf | try debian |
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| 03:30.40 | onetinsoldier | what's a good util for setting a desktop background/wallpaper in X? |
| 03:30.48 | enouf | sineDebiaN: available? windows partition? vfat? |
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| 03:31.24 | Firefishe | When doing a `make deb-pkg' whilst kernel building, where does the resulting .deb file end up? |
| 03:31.28 | sineDebiaN | enouf what do you mean |
| 03:31.38 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: xfce4, gnome, and KDE have their own utils for setting the desktop background |
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| 03:32.13 | sineDebiaN | i mounted windows partition as root NTFS but i cant access it with a normal user account so i want to unmount it and mount it with group user access privs if that is the correct workaround to my problem |
| 03:32.18 | sineDebiaN | only it says i cant unmount |
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| 03:32.22 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: even IceWM has that iirc |
| 03:32.33 | onetinsoldier | jpinx, yep. and i have them installed. however, i am currently in icewm-gnome, and have yet to figure out how set a wallpaper |
| 03:32.48 | onetinsoldier | jpinx, i have yet to find it |
| 03:33.10 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: ah - ok -- it's been a while since I looked at IceWM |
| 03:33.10 | sineDebiaN | debian:/mnt# unmount windows |
| 03:33.10 | sineDebiaN | bash: unmount: command not found |
| 03:33.29 | sineDebiaN | how can this bee! |
| 03:33.52 | jpinx | sineDebiaN: check to see if it mounted in the first place |
| 03:34.02 | jpinx | sineDebiaN: cat /etc/mtab |
| 03:34.19 | enouf | sineDebiaN: umount, not unmount |
| 03:34.49 | sineDebiaN | roflcakes meights !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:34.52 | sineDebiaN | lolol ta |
| 03:35.00 | jpinx | cleans his spectacles |
| 03:35.32 | enouf | has some cake, and eats it too |
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| 03:36.47 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: why use IceWM when xfce4 is available and is not much bigger? |
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| 03:38.31 | jpinx | ignore that onetinsoldier |
| 03:38.36 | jpinx | misread the sizes |
| 03:38.38 | killswitch | anyone running banshee on lenny? |
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| 03:44.14 | onetinsoldier | jpinx, hard to ignore.. hehe. i love all the really nice looking wm's. kde is great, xfce4 is very nice, wmaker is cool, e16(enlightenment) is sweet. and now that i've tried icewm, i love it too. :-) i have yet to be able to get compiz working to see what it's like |
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| 03:44.46 | onetinsoldier | adb, howdy |
| 03:46.55 | adb | all ok |
| 03:48.22 | adb | changed the machine , now on openbox |
| 03:49.23 | onetinsoldier | cool.. openbox yet another wm? |
| 03:49.30 | adb | y |
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| 03:50.45 | cnjs3274 | dri on Lenny? - mach64 (ATI) |
| 03:50.50 | onetinsoldier | i just read the description for it. it sound interesting. i'm really liking the icewm-gnome here. |
| 03:51.14 | adb | hehe |
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| 03:54.01 | onetinsoldier | however, i have yet to find a util to set the desktop wallpaper. wallpaper tray and drapes does not seem to be working to set it in icewm |
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| 03:58.40 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: if you find out how to set wallpaper in IceWM I'd love to know fo my eeepc;) |
| 03:58.40 | amphi | onetinsoldier: feh can do it, amongst many |
| 03:59.10 | onetinsoldier | amphi, ok, going to have a look |
| 03:59.15 | amphi | onetinsoldier: or does icewm cover the root window with one of its own? |
| 03:59.45 | adb | wallpaper-tray - wallpaper changing utility for GNOME |
| 04:00.07 | adb | run away |
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| 04:01.29 | onetinsoldier | adb, readd my post above |
| 04:01.34 | onetinsoldier | read* |
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| 04:04.11 | onetinsoldier | amphi, it works! worked great to scale a .jpg as my desktop wallpaper. thanks! |
| 04:04.22 | sineDebiaN | how can i find out what processor i have |
| 04:04.34 | sineDebiaN | lspci ? |
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| 04:04.56 | adb | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:05.54 | sineDebiaN | ta |
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| 04:05.55 | PeterFA | When I install aircrack-ng, does it add the patched drivers as needed, or does the system use patched drivers anyways, or not? |
| 04:06.24 | onetinsoldier | jpinx, did you see the util suggested by amphi? it works great :-) |
| 04:06.32 | amphi | onetinsoldier: good-oh |
| 04:06.39 | PeterFA | Well, here's a more concise question: on Debian Lenny, if I install aircrack-ng, do I need to patch my drivers or is that done somehow already? |
| 04:06.44 | killswitch | is anyone here successfully running banshee on lenny? |
| 04:06.55 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: cool thanks |
| 04:07.48 | onetinsoldier | woot |
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| 04:12.27 | Firefishe | What is the command line syntax for adding a cdrom to apt? |
| 04:13.22 | cafuego | apt-cdrom add |
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| 04:13.42 | Firefishe | thanks |
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| 04:18.50 | sineDebiaN | can i apt-get gtk+ |
| 04:19.06 | sineDebiaN | swiftfox needs the newer version to run i have .8 it needs .10 |
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| 04:22.07 | simonrvn | sineDebiaN: a) you probably already have it b) what debian version? |
| 04:22.43 | sineDebiaN | etch 4.0 |
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| 04:23.20 | simonrvn | server, workstation? |
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| 04:23.28 | sineDebiaN | how do i tell |
| 04:23.36 | sineDebiaN | its desktop im a newb trying to learn |
| 04:23.40 | sineDebiaN | You have GTK+ 2.8. |
| 04:23.40 | sineDebiaN | This application requires GTK+ 2.10 or newer. |
| 04:23.43 | sineDebiaN | Please upgrade your GTK+ library if you wish to use this application. |
| 04:23.46 | simonrvn | that means, what is the purpose of the machine? |
| 04:23.51 | sineDebiaN | desktop |
| 04:23.53 | simonrvn | don't paste here |
| 04:23.56 | onetinsoldier | sineDebiaN, try dpkg -l '*gtk' |
| 04:23.56 | sineDebiaN | ok |
| 04:24.04 | onetinsoldier | oops |
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| 04:24.07 | onetinsoldier | sineDebiaN, try dpkg -l '*gtk*' |
| 04:24.13 | sineDebiaN | ok |
| 04:24.15 | simonrvn | you might consider upgrading to lenny. |
| 04:24.26 | sineDebiaN | why is that simon is that stable now |
| 04:24.34 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:24.34 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. lenny rocks! |
| 04:24.38 | simonrvn | will be soon |
| 04:24.49 | sineDebiaN | i can still learn using this installation though |
| 04:25.03 | simonrvn | sure, but your app won't work |
| 04:25.24 | sineDebiaN | oh so i cant install the latest gtk because its not a stable package or somthing |
| 04:26.15 | onetinsoldier | sineDebiaN, depends onhow deep into it you want to get |
| 04:27.00 | onetinsoldier | sineDebiaN, you could download the source and try to compile it. if you do that, you'll get the idea |
| 04:27.14 | sineDebiaN | oh right so i can do it manuall |
| 04:27.26 | sineDebiaN | will it mess up my current gtk |
| 04:27.29 | onetinsoldier | yes... |
| 04:27.48 | onetinsoldier | well, let me say that a little differently |
| 04:27.54 | sineDebiaN | say i install it from source and during hte process it says HEY i need this and this you dont have it, like the current problem my hole will be deepers |
| 04:28.24 | onetinsoldier | sineDebiaN, if you were to compile it, you have the 'option' of where it gets installed on your system |
| 04:28.44 | mhymn_ | sineDebiaN: you don't need to upgrade to lenny, no nedd to compile from source too |
| 04:28.49 | mhymn_ | need* |
| 04:28.59 | onetinsoldier | sineDebiaN, so, you coud install it into a non-standard library directory |
| 04:29.03 | sineDebiaN | mhymn_: prey tell the soloution dear bo |
| 04:29.17 | mhymn_ | sineDebiaN: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/06/21/install-firefox-3-in-debian-etch/ |
| 04:29.30 | simonrvn | mhymn_: so you know of a swiftfox for gtk 2.8? |
| 04:29.58 | onetinsoldier | sineDebiaN, you are wanting to get swiftfox installed? |
| 04:30.04 | sineDebiaN | yus |
| 04:30.05 | mhymn_ | simonrvn: nope, the same trick as i did for FF3 in etch should work for swiftfox |
| 04:30.23 | simonrvn | mhymn_: *nods* |
| 04:30.36 | sineDebiaN | quick lite browsers get ma juices flowing |
| 04:31.02 | mhymn_ | !tell sineDebiaN -about ff3 in etch |
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| 04:31.31 | onetinsoldier | ok, so let's say by some miracle, you finally get the newer gtk to compile and then you install it into a non-standard library dir. then you could compile swiftfox, and when compiling it, uyou have the option to tel it where to look for the gtk lib(library) that it needs |
| 04:31.36 | simonrvn | hands bvk a / |
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| 04:32.00 | bvk | simonrvn: :) |
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| 04:32.09 | sineDebiaN | onetinsoldier ok cool |
| 04:32.14 | simonrvn | building gtk 2 is such a PITA, you need several build and runtime deps.... |
| 04:32.22 | onetinsoldier | yeah, hence.. miracle |
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| 04:32.54 | basix | i want the international clock applet for gnome. I'm running Debian sid. Heres the link: https://launchpad.net/intlclock |
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| 04:33.16 | sineDebiaN | ok let me get somthing stright here.... using etch is like being frozen in time at a point when everything is hunkey dorey. how do i have a debian system that is totally uptodate with all things |
| 04:33.18 | simonrvn | basix: and you expect support? |
| 04:33.32 | simonrvn | you run sid, you find it yourself. |
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| 04:33.44 | onetinsoldier | sineDebiaN, you install and run 'sid'.. a.k.a unstable |
| 04:34.02 | simonrvn | not for newbies |
| 04:34.13 | amphi | onetinsoldier: testing, perhaps ;) |
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| 04:34.18 | basix | simonrvn, i'm not a newbie |
| 04:34.19 | onetinsoldier | i have run it before.. for good amout of time.. several months.. but that was years ago |
| 04:34.50 | simonrvn | onetinsoldier: you wanna support sineDebiaN with his/her sid box, go right ahead, but don't include me in that ;). |
| 04:34.51 | onetinsoldier | amphi, yeah.. but testing eventually gets 'frozen in time' |
| 04:34.54 | Debasser | question: When I shut down my pc, it freezes at "Stopping Portmap daemon...". The cursur blinks but nothing happens. Any idea as to how to fix it? (Running debian lenny) |
| 04:35.03 | simonrvn | basix: that wasn't for you that newbie comment. |
| 04:35.04 | sineDebiaN | so how many versions of debian are there. is it a constant development distro, you are either at risk unstable or back in time safe and outdated? |
| 04:35.04 | onetinsoldier | sid never does |
| 04:35.10 | basix | simonrvn, i just wanted to know if theres a package available for sid or i've to get a Ubuntu package |
| 04:35.12 | amphi | onetinsoldier: it's frozen until release, then keeps on going |
| 04:35.30 | simonrvn | basix: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 04:36.49 | onetinsoldier | etch 4.0r5 = stable, lenny 5.0 = testing, sid = unstable then there is.... experimental! |
| 04:37.10 | Piper69_ | on my etch box,fresh installed, eth1 can ping gateway ,i have openssh-server but I can't ssh to it!Why? |
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| 04:37.21 | cnjs3274 | anyone got dri to work on Lenny? - mach64 (ATI) |
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| 04:37.52 | simonrvn | lenny is gonna be 4.1 actually |
| 04:38.02 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn, oh.. roger |
| 04:38.22 | simonrvn | i thought it was going to be 5.0 too, but stew told me it's 4.1 |
| 04:38.29 | onetinsoldier | good to know |
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| 04:40.24 | adb | 5.0 >> /msg dpkg lenny |
| 04:40.41 | onetinsoldier | !lenny |
| 04:40.42 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 04:41.50 | frankS2 | which FS do you guys recommend? files will vary frmo sizes 3mb to 15gb |
| 04:43.28 | Piper69_ | is there is a command like in windows i can do ipconfig /release or ipconfig /renew or ipconfig /flushdns in linux?! |
| 04:43.40 | mhymn_ | !tell frankS2 -about which fs |
| 04:44.02 | mhymn_ | Piper69_: man ifconfig |
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| 04:47.51 | Piper69_ | can you save me time and show me please |
| 04:48.22 | onetinsoldier | Piper69_, the following should it.... |
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| 04:48.47 | onetinsoldier | Piper69_, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:48.50 | Piper69_ | onetinsoldier: my man, whats up |
| 04:49.03 | Piper69_ | i did that |
| 04:49.07 | pickcoder | Piper69_: you really should read the manpage |
| 04:49.18 | Piper69_ | it is still assigned 192.168.1.108 |
| 04:49.20 | onetinsoldier | Piper69_, howdy.... or /etc/init.d/networking stop start restart... whatever |
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| 04:49.47 | Piper69_ | onetinsoldier: i know , i did that and i know i have to read the man |
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| 04:51.53 | pickcoder | dhclient assigns the ip if it's configured for dhcp |
| 04:51.58 | Sebboh | Do modern versions of Windows (XP SP3 for example) require this map (hd0) (hd1); map (hd1) (hd0) mess? The grub documentation on this subject refers to "DOS/Windows" so I wonder if it is out of date... |
| 04:52.46 | pickcoder | Sebboh: it depends on which drives contain the various systems |
| 04:52.49 | Piper69_ | pickcoder: it is assigned to dhcp. but how can i rest that |
| 04:53.14 | pickcoder | Piper69_: restarting the network should release it and request a new lease |
| 04:53.15 | onetinsoldier | Piper69_, look at your /etc/network/interfaces file... you'll need to edit it |
| 04:54.33 | Piper69_ | i am thinking to delete the ip and the mac from my router table and then do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:54.46 | pickcoder | Piper69_: what's the problem |
| 04:54.54 | Sebboh | pickcoder, XP is on hd1 and linux is on hd0. ..I know that windows uses %SYSTEMROOT% internally to refer to the root of the system.. It's obviously designed to not freak out if drives are reordered. I'll just try it.. |
| 04:55.44 | Piper69_ | I was running 2.6.17 and i compiled 2.6.25.19. when i was running 2.6.17 my wireless card was working just fine, now after i am running 2.6.25.19 if is not working. i can't do lspci. what could 've went wrong |
| 04:56.18 | pickcoder | where did 2.6.25.19 source come from |
| 04:56.24 | Piper69_ | *it is not working... |
| 04:56.38 | Piper69_ | pickcoder: kernel.org |
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| 04:57.02 | pickcoder | 2.6.25 is already availble from bpo for Etch |
| 04:57.08 | pickcoder | I can't help you with custom kernels |
| 04:57.20 | stew | simonrvn: no, its going to be 5.0 |
| 04:57.30 | Sebboh | Piper, you're gonna want to fix your lspci! :) |
| 04:57.33 | basix | https://launchpad.net/intlclock doesnt seem to have any debs and neither does debian package search have any. its supposed to be in gnome 2.22 and i'm running gnome 2.22.3 help will be appreciated. |
| 04:57.38 | Piper69_ | pickcoder: how can i get it please |
| 04:57.54 | Piper69_ | sebolspci is now working ......how did you know |
| 04:58.10 | Piper69_ | ah i mention that |
| 04:58.25 | pickcoder | Piper69_: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 04:59.37 | onetinsoldier | Piper69_, how did you get lspci working? or did i misunderstand something... |
| 05:00.09 | Piper69_ | onetinsoldier: no it is still not working mate |
| 05:00.26 | onetinsoldier | Piper69_, roger that |
| 05:01.07 | adb | Piper69_: hm , is on ubuntu |
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| 05:05.05 | sineDebiaN | hi guys |
| 05:05.08 | sineDebiaN | one last thing |
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| 05:05.18 | sineDebiaN | is there an ultimate codec pack for debian etch |
| 05:05.29 | sineDebiaN | that supprots 3gp and flv etc |
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| 05:05.51 | onetinsoldier | Piper69_, did you go through and personally configure your kernel? or just throw a .config at it and started compiling it? |
| 05:07.42 | Sebboh | btw, yes the map swap is needed, even for w2k3... ok. |
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| 05:10.04 | mhymn_ | sineDebiaN: probably the w32codces which you can get it from debian multimedia repo |
| 05:10.15 | Piper69_ | who is on ubuntu |
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| 05:10.38 | mhymn_ | guys in #ubuntu |
| 05:10.56 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 05:12.37 | chuck | How would I check what version of a package is in a certain debian version? |
| 05:12.57 | onetinsoldier | chuck, try http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 05:13.36 | chuck | onetinsoldier, Is there a version I should use that has more up to date packages while still being relatively stable? |
| 05:13.55 | chuck | lenny? |
| 05:14.00 | onetinsoldier | chuck, sure.. lenny... aka debian 5.0 |
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| 05:14.42 | onetinsoldier | chuck, it's aka 'testing', but it's frozen and will soon be known as 'stable' |
| 05:14.56 | chuck | oh, good, exactly what I'm looking for |
| 05:15.05 | onetinsoldier | chuck, cool |
| 05:15.21 | mhymn_ | is celebrating the lenny recommendation day |
| 05:15.30 | pickcoder | chuck: you can priv msg dpkg here |
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| 05:15.41 | pickcoder | type "info <package> <release>" |
| 05:15.42 | chuck | yeah, i'm already reading etch->lenny |
| 05:15.46 | chuck | pickcoder, oh |
| 05:15.49 | chuck | okay |
| 05:16.01 | mhymn_ | pickcoder: i'd recommend judd fro that |
| 05:16.06 | mhymn_ | for* |
| 05:17.12 | onetinsoldier | what does judd do? similar to dpkg? or.... |
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| 05:17.47 | pickcoder | judd is a supybot |
| 05:17.47 | chuck | it's normal for a ton of output to come up when I do an aptitude install dpkg aptitude after changing the source list from etch to lenny, right? |
| 05:17.48 | judd | pickcoder: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 05:18.46 | onetinsoldier | pickcoder, i don't know what a supybot is. glean info from the chat in here? |
| 05:18.55 | stew | onetinsoldier: judd is a bot hooked to a 'ultimate debian database': http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase |
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| 05:19.25 | onetinsoldier | stew, ok, sounds cool. going to your link. thanks |
| 05:21.59 | chuck | This mirror is killin' me ;-) 237kB/s download speeds |
| 05:23.16 | onetinsoldier | stew, sounds pretty neat. i just wanted to let you know, i clicked on the top example query, it's not loading. |
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| 05:25.21 | stew | onetinsoldier: i have no idea how fast the box is hosting that instance, but i can tell you that that query takes a long time on my machine, which is not a slow box |
| 05:26.08 | onetinsoldier | stew, roger. i hear you |
| 05:26.36 | onetinsoldier | understood |
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| 05:27.49 | onetinsoldier | starts the query again and will give it quite a while |
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| 05:30.58 | onetinsoldier | chuck, so are you downloading the whole lenny distro dvdrom's? |
| 05:31.16 | chuck | onetinsoldier, no I'm doing what the etch->lenny factoid says |
| 05:31.30 | onetinsoldier | chuck, oh, roger |
| 05:32.23 | ross`_ | mmmm |
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| 05:42.08 | ross`_ | how do i apt-get install this file |
| 05:42.09 | ross`_ | libcairo2 1.0.4-2 |
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| 05:42.20 | ross`_ | apt-get install libcairo2 installs a different version |
| 05:42.24 | ross`_ | i need exactly that version |
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| 05:43.35 | stew | judd: versions libcairo2 |
| 05:43.36 | judd | stew: libcairo2 -- etch: 1.2.4-4.1+etch1 etch-security: 1.2.4-4.1+etch1 lenny-security: 1.4.10-1+lenny2 lenny: 1.6.4-6.1 sid: 1.6.4-6.1 experimental: 1.8.4-1 |
| 05:43.50 | stew | ross`_: why do you need such and old version? |
| 05:43.52 | ross`_ | hey wait what |
| 05:43.55 | ross`_ | stew |
| 05:43.57 | ross`_ | i got this problem |
| 05:44.01 | ross`_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=376858 |
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| 05:44.27 | onetinsoldier | stew, i'm still waiting. i hope i'm not murdering someone's box |
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| 05:45.15 | ross`_ | anyway |
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| 05:45.23 | stew | ross`_: what version of libcairo2 do you have installed now? |
| 05:45.29 | ross`_ | none |
| 05:45.31 | ross`_ | i removed it |
| 05:45.32 | ross`_ | :p |
| 05:45.51 | stew | ross`_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:46.10 | ross`_ | now i have 1.2 4-4 |
| 05:46.14 | ross`_ | but i still get that error |
| 05:46.15 | ross`_ | on vnc |
| 05:46.21 | ross`_ | etch |
| 05:47.22 | stew | ross`_: what program gives you this error? |
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| 05:47.44 | stew | ross`_: why do you think that version 1.0.4-2 would help? |
| 05:47.52 | ross`_ | because |
| 05:47.59 | ross`_ | it says so |
| 05:48.08 | ross`_ | Err... I should probably mention that libcairo2 1.0.4-2 has no such problem. |
| 05:48.11 | ross`_ | it says taht on the website |
| 05:49.18 | ross`_ | meh |
| 05:49.22 | ross`_ | doesnt really matter i suppose |
| 05:49.26 | ross`_ | tightvncserver works |
| 05:49.39 | stew | ross`_: that website also says it is fixed in 1.2.2-1 |
| 05:49.46 | ross`_ | yea |
| 05:49.46 | onetinsoldier | ross`, i might be able to help you get the older version installed, can you hang on a minute? |
| 05:49.48 | ross`_ | says its fixed |
| 05:49.49 | ross`_ | but its not |
| 05:49.50 | ross`_ | :p |
| 05:49.56 | ross`_ | onetinsoldier: dont worry about it |
| 05:50.00 | ross`_ | ill keep this one |
| 05:50.06 | ross`_ | cause i can just use tightvncserver |
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| 05:51.10 | onetinsoldier | ross`, ok, cool |
| 05:51.17 | ross`_ | thanks anyway tho |
| 05:51.17 | ross`_ | : |
| 05:51.18 | ross`_ | ;) |
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| 05:57.29 | bluethundr | yo guys |
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| 05:58.01 | bluethundr | attempting to install libsasl2 through aptitude |
| 05:58.11 | bluethundr | but it's not doing the job |
| 05:58.21 | bluethundr | maybe I need different repos? |
| 05:58.46 | hoxu | !basic apt-get troubleshooting |
| 05:58.47 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also provide us with your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 05:59.59 | bluethundr | that might be tough.. no gui on my deb box |
| 06:00.11 | bluethundr | so not sure how to pastebin |
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| 06:00.35 | shams | i want to setup an isp style mail server with domainkeys on my server. i need pop3/imap , smtp , account management tool and etc. please introduce me an article for this issue. |
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| 06:01.47 | onetinsoldier | bluethundr, so what's happening? where/how is it bombing out? |
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| 06:02.15 | bluethundr | well, it seems to work okay |
| 06:02.20 | onetinsoldier | oh? |
| 06:02.21 | bluethundr | but |
| 06:02.38 | bluethundr | I get the message "No packages will be installed, upgraded or removed" |
| 06:02.51 | bluethundr | "No candidate version found for libsasl2" |
| 06:03.01 | onetinsoldier | oh.... |
| 06:03.13 | onetinsoldier | you running etch? |
| 06:03.29 | bluethundr | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 06:03.31 | bluethundr | I'm on lenny |
| 06:03.43 | onetinsoldier | roger.. hang on a moment |
| 06:03.46 | bluethundr | so, I think apt is doing it's job |
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| 06:03.55 | bluethundr | but I think I may be missing some repositories |
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| 06:04.25 | onetinsoldier | maybe... |
| 06:04.47 | onetinsoldier | the version for lenny is reported to be... 2.1.22.dfsg1-23 |
| 06:05.37 | onetinsoldier | bluethundr, is it possible for you to go here...? --> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libsasl2 |
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| 06:06.25 | bluethundr | I can do that on my mac, but not on my deb box unless I use lynx |
| 06:07.32 | onetinsoldier | bluethundr, roger.. i had problemswith lynx that ticked me off. you have any problems with it yet? i switched to 'links' (or links2) |
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| 06:08.14 | bluethundr_ | router fail.. had to reboot it |
| 06:08.30 | neoice | how can I get the vim python omnifunction in Debian? |
| 06:08.31 | onetinsoldier | bluethundr, roger |
| 06:08.48 | onetinsoldier | bluethundr, roger.. i had a problem with lynx that ticked me off. you have any problems with it yet? i switched to 'links' (or links2) |
| 06:09.09 | bluethundr_ | oh I just installed it |
| 06:09.10 | neoice | I like w3m |
| 06:09.16 | neoice | comes installed in debian base |
| 06:09.17 | bluethundr_ | lynx that is |
| 06:09.42 | bluethundr_ | oh maybe I'll try w3m |
| 06:10.35 | onetinsoldier | bluethundr_, roger.. no need to uninstall it. it worked good for me back in the day. but i don't know what's up with it these days. i'm just letting you know. you can install links or links2 with no need to necessarily get rid of lynx |
| 06:11.15 | bluethundr_ | oh nice.. good info. thanks |
| 06:12.07 | onetinsoldier | bluethundr_, if you can get to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libsasl2 you will see an area on the lower left corner of the page where you can manually download the .deb file |
| 06:12.30 | bluethundr_ | ah! I think I need to be installing libsasl2-2 |
| 06:13.03 | bluethundr_ | hmmm no love |
| 06:13.33 | onetinsoldier | it's a pretty small file |
| 06:14.13 | onetinsoldier | just download it and use dpkg to install it |
| 06:14.25 | bluethundr_ | I got 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 06:14.32 | bluethundr_ | probably a good idea |
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| 06:42.18 | stoned | !glade |
| 06:42.18 | dpkg | [glade] the Gtk+ GUI builder at http://glade.pn.org, or the company that does annoying "Glade plug-ins" commericals, or see <gazpacho> |
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| 07:27.14 | flourish | hello, help! Some time, when i watch a video usually when fullscreen, the cursor will lost! restart gdm don't work. |
| 07:30.30 | Arafangion | flourish: Try using opensource drivers. |
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| 07:35.44 | flourish | Arafangion: opensource drivers? where can i find it |
| 07:37.21 | Arafangion | flourish: Oh, so you didn't use the commercial drivers? |
| 07:37.31 | Arafangion | flourish: What card do you have? |
| 07:38.01 | flourish | Arafangion: Geforce 6150, and old one |
| 07:38.34 | Arafangion | flourish: If possible, try the commercial drivers - and file a bug against xorg's drivers. |
| 07:39.15 | Arafangion | goes for food. |
| 07:40.42 | seldon | flourish: Which driver are you currently using? |
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| 07:45.52 | flourish | seldon: the default driver when install debian |
| 07:46.08 | deadcat | nfs is going at 1.6M/s thats pretty slow eh? |
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| 07:47.11 | seldon | Doesn't debconf ask you what driver to use when you install it? It's been a while since I actually installed on a desktop, I just keep upgrading my system... |
| 07:47.26 | seldon | Anyway, can you check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf for it and tell me what it says there? |
| 07:47.46 | seldon | The "Driver" entry in the "Device" section |
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| 07:49.04 | seldon | <seldon> Doesn't debconf ask you what driver to use when you install it? It's been a while since I actually installed on a desktop, I just keep upgrading my system... |
| 07:49.04 | seldon | <seldon> Anyway, can you check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf for it and tell me what it says there? |
| 07:49.04 | seldon | <seldon> The "Driver" entry in the "Device" section |
| 07:49.06 | seldon | @flourish |
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| 07:50.01 | cast|lir | hey all, i was running lenny with an encrypted root, after a aptitude upgrade i can't boot anymore, i presume the initrd is bunged in some manner, any suggestions on what to do? |
| 07:50.38 | flourish | seldon: no "Driver" entry in "device" |
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| 07:50.53 | seldon | Er, what? |
| 07:50.56 | Chameleon | hello all |
| 07:52.01 | peterrooney | how can i enable audio visualization in xine-ui? removing config file and reinstalling did not help fix whatever it was that yon five-year-old managed to do while i wasn't looking. |
| 07:52.02 | seldon | I'm very surprised it works at all, then. Can you paste your xorg.conf somewhere for me, such as http://rafb.net/paste ? |
| 07:52.11 | Chameleon | i would like to know how do i go about confurging the xserver for a geforce card |
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| 07:52.28 | simonrvn | !tell seldon -about paste |
| 07:52.53 | flourish | seldon: OK, but please wait a minute. I reinstalling nvidia-xx now |
| 07:53.16 | seldon | simonrvn: Sorry. |
| 07:53.50 | simonrvn | don't be sorry, just don't do it ;) |
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| 07:54.53 | seldon | Well, he got out of the channel and I didn't realise it until he came back. I thought it was too short to bother with a pastebin, but if 2 lines is the channel limit, I'll stick to that in the future. |
| 07:55.08 | simonrvn | 3 |
| 07:55.17 | Chameleon | iam geting the no screens found error |
| 07:55.40 | seldon | dpkg says 2. Anyway, sorry, won't happen again. |
| 07:55.41 | dpkg | seldon: no idea |
| 07:56.02 | Piper69 | dum question, i re-install etch, during the installation it asked about my wireless-card, it detected it, and asked about my key and it accepted it. installed all apt pkgs. after the installation is done and i reboot , i can't access the net what could cause that |
| 07:56.28 | Piper69 | i also get eth1: invalid skb->cb magic |
| 07:57.22 | Chameleon | can soneone help me pls if thay have time |
| 07:57.33 | flourish | seldon: sorry, i have some other things to do now, thanks for your help |
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| 08:00.31 | Elite | okay guys |
| 08:00.37 | Chameleon | j/ gentoo |
| 08:01.30 | Elite | me? |
| 08:01.53 | mhymn_ | Chameleon: /msg dpkg drxx <-- might help you |
| 08:02.33 | Elite | Okay so I installed kdm will that remove grub or no? |
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| 08:03.02 | seldon | Er...no, why would it? |
| 08:03.08 | mhymn_ | Elite: nope |
| 08:03.36 | Elite | I assumed, now when I boot it says Loading grub please wait..... then under error 21 |
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| 08:06.48 | seldon | Error 21 means the disk you're trying to boot from does not exist. |
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| 08:07.14 | Elite | oh lol |
| 08:07.21 | Elite | shoot :P |
| 08:07.21 | seldon | Probably a grub configuration error, such as (hd1) instead of (hd0) or something, but I strongly doubt it has anything to do with kdm. |
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| 08:08.14 | Elite | Thats fixed |
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| 08:08.25 | Supaplex | !fix that |
| 08:08.25 | dpkg | takes that to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 08:09.02 | Elite | Begin: Waiting for root file system.. ... |
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| 08:09.42 | hifi | anyone know a way to lock mouse in one screen on dualhead setup? |
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| 08:10.47 | Piper69 | dum question, i re-install etch, during the installation it asked about my wireless-card, it detected it, and asked about my key and it accepted it. installed all apt pkgs. after the installation is done and i reboot , i can't access the net what could cause that |
| 08:10.54 | Symbi0nt | I think my email does not work on my machine anymore .. where can I find unsend emails? |
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| 08:11.59 | joneal | Hi |
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| 08:19.21 | Gigantic | !cookie |
| 08:19.23 | dpkg | Hey gigantic, nerthus is rivyn, or a norse goddess |
| 08:19.39 | Gigantic | o.O |
| 08:20.05 | Gigantic | That's an odd factoid |
| 08:21.02 | Gigantic | hey, this is my first time runing a x64 and there is one 1386 pkg I need to install |
| 08:21.18 | Gigantic | what do I need to install for compatibility |
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| 08:23.24 | Gigantic | *crickets.. |
| 08:23.38 | Gigantic | why so quite this tonight? |
| 08:24.32 | Elite | Begin: Waiting for root file system.. ... |
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| 08:33.13 | mhymn_ | Gigantic: i don't understand your question, be less vague if possible |
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| 08:35.45 | Gigantic | what's the compatibility pkg that I need to install i386 .deb in x64 |
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| 08:37.19 | mhymn_ | Gigantic: i think you should try 'dpkg --force-architecture' |
| 08:37.55 | Gigantic | that doesn't sound quite correct to me... safe |
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| 08:45.16 | Piper69 | eth1:invalid skb->cb magic <---what does this mean please? |
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| 08:46.43 | Gigantic | is that a wireless? |
| 08:46.51 | Piper69 | yes |
| 08:46.57 | Gigantic | try wpasupplicant |
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| 08:47.12 | Piper69 | is that a command |
| 08:47.27 | Gigantic | install it |
| 08:47.37 | Gigantic | tehn yes, run it |
| 08:48.02 | Gigantic | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=182730 |
| 08:48.44 | Piper69 | well how will i install it when i can't access internet |
| 08:49.11 | earthnative | can anyone tell me where it is configured that mail to 'root' at my server will be delivered to the 'nobody' user? |
| 08:49.56 | earthnative | oh, using postfix :) |
| 08:51.20 | Gigantic | Piper69: eth cable is cheat o.O |
| 08:51.26 | Gigantic | *cheap |
| 08:51.41 | Gigantic | aliases? |
| 08:52.02 | Gigantic | earthnative: /etc/aliases |
| 08:52.24 | earthnative | has this line: "nobody: root" |
| 08:52.36 | Gigantic | as usual |
| 08:52.47 | earthnative | yes... that tells mail for nobody@ to go to root |
| 08:52.56 | earthnative | so how does root@ get delivered to /var/mail/nobody ?? |
| 08:53.10 | Gigantic | sending root mail to nobody is not exactly good idea |
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| 08:54.14 | earthnative | well, I'm wanting to change it to send it to me. but I want to know how it's getting into 'nobody' mailbox first |
| 08:56.32 | Gigantic | check the postfix alias |
| 08:56.48 | Gigantic | man postfix ~ grep alias |
| 08:57.04 | Gigantic | ack | |
| 08:57.07 | earthnative | lol |
| 08:57.20 | Gigantic | not my keyboard =# |
| 08:57.40 | earthnative | looks like it's a postfix hardcoded internal alias to deliver mail for root@ to the nobody account, if no other root aliuas is setup |
| 08:57.50 | Gigantic | no |
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| 08:59.07 | earthnative | http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#root |
| 08:59.41 | earthnative | technically postfix delivers to procmail, but does not trust procmail to be run as root, so procmail is run as 'nobody' by defauly |
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| 09:00.44 | earthnative | or in other words, I'm safe to put "root: nemo" into /etc/aliases and not fear of stepping on top of another hidden alioas somewhere :) |
| 09:02.15 | Piper69 | how can i upgrade my kernel from 2.6.18-4-686 to 2.6.24-generic |
| 09:02.35 | earthnative | (I'm most surprised that I have not encountered this before. for most of the last decade I've been an ISP sysadmin with postfix as preferred MTA |
| 09:04.16 | mhymn_ | Piper69: use etchnhalf |
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| 09:04.48 | Piper69 | mhymn_: iread about it but i couldn't understand it |
| 09:04.57 | mhymn_ | Piper69: that kernel is already in etch repo |
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| 09:07.26 | Piper69 | mhymn_: so either i use netinst CD or businesscard CD or netboot image |
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| 09:08.07 | mhymn_ | !tell Piper69 about etchnhalf |
| 09:08.27 | Piper69 | mhymn_: i already read that , thats what it state |
| 09:09.10 | Piper69 | mhymn_: what i mean is that there is now pkg, i can't aptitude ? |
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| 09:09.48 | mhymn_ | Piper69: what do you mean i can't aptitude? |
| 09:10.16 | mhymn_ | Piper69: you are using etch? |
| 09:10.28 | Piper69 | mythomaniac: to install etch + 1/2 |
| 09:10.32 | Piper69 | yes i am |
| 09:11.08 | mhymn_ | Piper69: so update you're repository and you'll find the kernel there |
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| 09:12.02 | mhymn_ | Piper69: or you might want to use .26 one in bpo |
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| 09:13.00 | Piper69 | mhymn_: can you explain it to me please |
| 09:13.08 | Piper69 | i am not understanding |
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| 09:16.47 | mhymn_ | Piper69: do you have etch repo in your sources.list? |
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| 09:18.44 | Piper69 | mhymn_: http://paste.debian.net/22548/ |
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| 09:19.58 | mhymn_ | Piper69: you already have backports, you can install 2.6.26 kernel from there |
| 09:20.10 | Piper69 | How? |
| 09:21.14 | mhymn_ | Piper69: run 'aptitude update' and then 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686' |
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| 09:28.09 | mhymn_ | or 'linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686' because you also have the etch repo |
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| 09:30.45 | Piper69 | i did aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686' and install it, now it is complaing that it can't start X |
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| 09:31.26 | cast|lir | are you using nvidia drivers? |
| 09:31.57 | Piper69 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon 7500] |
| 09:33.13 | mhymn_ | Piper69: what's the output of 'uname -a' ? |
| 09:33.20 | cast|lir | plays investigator |
| 09:33.29 | cast|lir | so...what did X say when it complained? |
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| 09:33.56 | Piper69 | mhymn_: Linux bdc-srvr 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Nov 10 16:07:40 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:34.27 | Piper69 | cast|lir: i can't remember now |
| 09:34.33 | Piper69 | :( |
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| 09:35.23 | mhymn_ | Piper69: do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and use the proper driver |
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| 09:35.47 | deadcat | hwo do i know what happened to the package xfonts-artwiz? |
| 09:36.06 | deadcat | and industrial-cursor-theme |
| 09:36.14 | mhymn_ | deadcat: dpkg -l | grep -i xfonts-artwiz ? |
| 09:36.24 | deadcat | mhymn_: new install. hdd died. |
| 09:36.30 | deadcat | using sid |
| 09:37.33 | Elite | once I have debian installed can I resize the HDD to include a swap? |
| 09:37.34 | mhymn_ | versions industrial-cursor-theme |
| 09:37.42 | mhymn_ | judd: versions industrial-cursor-theme |
| 09:37.42 | judd | mhymn_: industrial-cursor-theme -- etch: 0.6.1.3 |
| 09:37.52 | mhymn_ | judd: versions xfonts-artwiz |
| 09:37.53 | judd | mhymn_: xfonts-artwiz -- |
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| 09:39.37 | mhymn_ | deadcat: as you see above there is no xfonts-artwiz at all and the other one is only in etch |
| 09:40.06 | deadcat | mhymn_: i had it on my previous install and i still have it in my laptop. |
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| 09:41.30 | Elite | once I have debian installed can I resize the HDD to include a swap? |
| 09:42.51 | mhymn_ | Elite: i think so |
| 09:43.05 | valdyn | Elite: you dont need this, just make a swap file |
| 09:43.09 | Elite | ok |
| 09:43.17 | Elite | 3:45 am here :P |
| 09:43.29 | Elite | oh? |
| 09:43.41 | cast|lir | yay for swap files |
| 09:43.51 | Elite | I was going through the install and it said I needed a swap partition for some user stuf |
| 09:44.11 | valdyn | Elite: sounds like you misread |
| 09:44.12 | cast|lir | you dont, unless you want suspend to disk |
| 09:44.20 | valdyn | oh , yea |
| 09:44.23 | valdyn | right |
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| 09:45.49 | Elite | I am having it install desktop, web,print and the last thing in the list |
| 09:46.00 | Elite | Now what did it need swap for :P |
| 09:46.15 | valdyn | Elite: is it a laptop? |
| 09:47.24 | Elite | No |
| 09:47.31 | valdyn | Elite: swap is not really very useful on the average desktop |
| 09:47.41 | valdyn | Elite: ( if your ram is sufficient ) |
| 09:47.47 | Elite | 1gb |
| 09:48.00 | cast|lir | anyway, swapfile is no slower than a swap partition, provided your FS isn't too fragmented |
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| 09:49.44 | valdyn | i just use swap for fscking a certain xfs volume, which needs like 4GB of ram |
| 09:49.49 | f00bar80 | i'm using debian etch via vmware on msi wind laptop , i got a wrong keyboard layout, any comment on what could be wrong , i even tried to change the keyboard but always still getting wrong layout |
| 09:50.26 | Piper69 | Preparing to compile for kernel version 2.6.26 |
| 09:50.28 | Piper69 | File not found: /lib/modules/2.6.26-bpo.1-686/build/.config at ./scripts/make_kconfig.pl line 32, <IN> line 4. |
| 09:50.35 | Piper69 | why is that |
| 09:50.35 | f00bar80 | i changed the keyboard layout to generic 101 102 |
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| 09:51.13 | valdyn | Piper69: what the hell are you doing there compiling in /lib/modules ? |
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| 09:51.35 | valdyn | Piper69: that directory isnt supposed to be touched at all during kernel compilation |
| 09:52.01 | Piper69 | i am trying to install Hauppauge HVR-1600 |
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| 09:52.21 | Piper69 | valdyn: following this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Installation_Guide |
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| 09:52.32 | valdyn | Piper69: oh, _for_ , I guess i skipped that |
| 09:52.54 | f00bar80 | any comment ??? |
| 09:52.59 | Kohlrabi | yeah |
| 09:53.10 | SuperPhly | Does anyone know how to get "git-submodule" to work in etch? All my other distributions all had it, but etch doesn't seem to come with it |
| 09:53.14 | valdyn | Piper69: compiling a module needs your kernel headers and config, which is referenced by /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 09:53.18 | Piper69 | valdyn: dude you made me shit in my pants |
| 09:53.23 | Kohlrabi | you can have any layou on any keyboard, so swapping keyboards maintains a "broken" layout |
| 09:53.32 | Kohlrabi | layout even |
| 09:53.47 | Piper69 | lol |
| 09:54.11 | valdyn | Piper69: so try "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 09:54.27 | f00bar80 | Kohlrabi, so what do you suggest |
| 09:54.29 | Kohlrabi | f00bar80: try choosing a layout which corresponds with your language |
| 09:54.40 | Kohlrabi | not generic |
| 09:54.47 | f00bar80 | Kohlrabi, i used US english |
| 09:54.51 | Kohlrabi | Which should work for en/US/enGB though |
| 09:55.17 | Kohlrabi | What exactly is wrong with tha layout? |
| 09:55.24 | Kohlrabi | the evne :( |
| 09:55.26 | Kohlrabi | even* |
| 09:55.28 | Kohlrabi | BAH |
| 09:55.31 | Piper69 | valdyn: and after i do that |
| 09:55.48 | Arafangion | Kohlrabi: All layouts are inferior to the Colmak layout, that's what's wrong. |
| 09:55.54 | valdyn | Piper69: you do what you did before to compile that driver |
| 09:56.08 | Arafangion | Now, I've stated my bigotted opinion, so my work is done. |
| 09:56.09 | Kohlrabi | Is Colmak some stuff like Dvorak? |
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| 09:56.15 | Piper69 | ;) |
| 09:56.38 | f00bar80 | Kohlrabi, i got english characters but some of them are missing like i,o,p,k,l they numbers 12345 |
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| 09:56.53 | Kohlrabi | i.e. oh |
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| 09:57.07 | Kohlrabi | that's what happens if I enable numlock on my laptop |
| 09:57.10 | Arafangion | Kohlrabi: You idiot!!! No, it's completely different!!! Dvorak is nonsensical, it doesn't even put the bracket keys next to each other! |
| 09:57.25 | Kohlrabi | I don't have a number block, so the letters are changed to numbers |
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| 09:57.58 | Kohlrabi | Though I don't know you, I take that with a hint of sweet irony, right? |
| 09:58.10 | Arafangion | Kohlrabi: Indeed. Just a hint. :) |
| 09:58.17 | Kohlrabi | phew |
| 09:59.34 | Arafangion | Kohlrabi: Truth to say, it's an unusual and very recent layout, and does take inspiration from Dvorak. |
| 09:59.36 | f00bar80 | Kohlrabi, so which of them do you think work for us english in this case , that numlock is already enabled , msi wind has a tiny keyboard |
| 09:59.51 | Arafangion | f00bar80: Just disable the numlock. |
| 10:00.10 | Arafangion | f00bar80: Actually, that's incorrect, you want to disable the num*pad*, it may well also have a numlock. |
| 10:00.15 | Kohlrabi | yeah |
| 10:00.19 | Kohlrabi | true thang |
| 10:00.47 | Kohlrabi | "[...] and does take inspiration from Dvorak." I thought Dvorak was perfect!! |
| 10:01.17 | f00bar80 | Arafangion, how to disable the numlock in debian |
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| 10:01.23 | Arafangion | Kohlrabi: It's pretty good but it _is_ hard to learn, and has symbols in odd places - in addition it's optimised only for english text. |
| 10:01.41 | simonrvn | and right-handed people |
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| 10:01.45 | Arafangion | f00bar80: There is no "in debian" at this point, it's a hardware setting. |
| 10:01.50 | Arafangion | simonrvn: There's left-handed variants. |
| 10:02.14 | JyZyXEL | where is the documentation for 'bluez-audio' ? |
| 10:02.18 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Also, one-handed variants. |
| 10:02.46 | f00bar80 | Arafangion, keyboard preferences ? |
| 10:02.49 | Arafangion | f00bar80: On laptops, it's usually an fn+f# key, where the '#' is a particular number. |
| 10:03.13 | simonrvn | Arafangion: yeh, called QWERTY ;) |
| 10:03.34 | Arafangion | simonrvn: What's that? ;) |
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| 10:13.44 | Piper69 | what shall i edit to stop startx from starting when i boot |
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| 10:14.17 | naiv | Piper69: do you have gdm or kdm at start ? |
| 10:14.57 | Piper69 | gdm |
| 10:15.15 | naiv | update-rc.d gdm remove |
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| 10:25.39 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.35 | cusco | hi |
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| 10:31.29 | ericpersson | I've got a strange problem with firefox on my lenny machine, it shows up pt-fontsizes in the wrong size. I set the displaysize in xorg.conf without difference... |
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| 10:33.03 | kCx8 | Somebody knows if TVTime run on enutv-2 in etch? |
| 10:33.13 | kCx8 | Sorry for my english. :) |
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| 10:41.09 | sebi | hiho |
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| 10:47.59 | kai4711 | hi guys |
| 10:48.09 | kai4711 | i have a debian 4.0 running in a vmware box |
| 10:48.17 | kai4711 | i installed it via minimal+netinstaller |
| 10:48.42 | kai4711 | but now its about 1.6 Gigs great but i only have installed the minimal packages plus apache2 and mysql |
| 10:49.05 | kai4711 | so i am searching for a way to "clean" up the box (eg deleting sources, temporary apt-get files etc) |
| 10:49.14 | kai4711 | but i dont know how to do... |
| 10:50.06 | acemi | apt-get clean to clean deb files |
| 10:50.49 | kai4711 | ok... i did this yesterday but it doenst really helped |
| 10:51.03 | kai4711 | are there sources or debian netinstaller dirs which can be deleted? |
| 10:51.27 | acemi | no |
| 10:51.57 | acemi | 1.6 gb is too big fo minimal install |
| 10:52.33 | jpinx | acemi: depends on what you call minimal |
| 10:52.48 | kai4711 | look here http://pastebin.com/d34f3f6a0 i think its to great |
| 10:52.54 | jpinx | what window manager/desktop do you have? |
| 10:53.04 | kai4711 | i have installed via that 160Megs iso and only installed standard |
| 10:53.15 | kai4711 | then i installed apache2 and mysql5 via apt-get |
| 10:53.30 | kai4711 | i heard something about a size of 800 Megs |
| 10:53.33 | jpinx | so you have gnome desktop -- yes? |
| 10:53.35 | kai4711 | but mine is twice |
| 10:53.44 | kai4711 | gnome desktop? |
| 10:53.48 | kai4711 | no only console |
| 10:53.51 | kai4711 | i hope :-D |
| 10:54.16 | jpinx | check what you actually have installed |
| 10:54.19 | kai4711 | it boots into console |
| 10:54.24 | kai4711 | how can i check? |
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| 10:55.15 | shams | load of mysqld is more than noraml. about 80% of cpu. why? |
| 10:55.47 | jpinx | dpkg --get-selections |
| 10:55.48 | dpkg | jpinx: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:55.56 | jpinx | kai4711: ^^ |
| 10:56.09 | Doctor-Steve | im running a vsftpd server on my server, whenever I try and connect from a client, I get a "connection established" then it just wats for welcome message and times out.... EXACT same with proftpd... |
| 10:56.11 | Doctor-Steve | whats wrong? |
| 10:56.18 | jpinx | kai4711: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 10:56.52 | Doctor-Steve | im guessing it could possibly be performance or network issues but anything else ? |
| 10:57.15 | jpinx | shams: it must be doing something - try killing it? |
| 10:57.25 | shams | how can i remove a package with all related files? |
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| 10:58.40 | jpinx | shams aptitude purge |
| 10:59.09 | kai4711 | whow dpgk s output is very ling |
| 10:59.10 | kai4711 | long |
| 10:59.13 | kai4711 | :-) |
| 10:59.30 | shams | jpinx: if i doing it, after reinstalling application all configuration exists? |
| 11:00.01 | kai4711 | but gnome is not contained |
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| 11:00.25 | jpinx | kai4711: that's all you have installed - read it carefully |
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| 11:01.11 | kai4711 | ok i will check thyx |
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| 11:02.15 | jpinx | shams you can re-install if you want |
| 11:02.37 | Thick_McRunfast | Hey, I'm using Debian PPC, 2.6.26 on a GeForce Go 440; Does the nv driver support DRI? |
| 11:03.30 | shams | jpinx: i know, but after reinstalling all of my configuration exist. i want to know if i use purge, it can remove conf files? |
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| 11:04.53 | JyZyXEL | so whats with the cool tag on the newest lenny kernel? |
| 11:05.00 | JyZyXEL | -openvz |
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| 11:06.29 | jpinx | shams - I believe it does |
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| 11:06.59 | shams | jpinx: whats different of aptitude and apt-get? |
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| 11:07.51 | jpinx | shams - I'm not sure of details, but I believe aptitude takes greater care of dependencies and is generally better |
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| 11:08.32 | Thick_McRunfast | shams: aptitude does smart management of deps, it'll notice when you uninstall something and something else has nothing depending on it and uninstall that too unless you specifically installed it |
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| 11:08.57 | Thick_McRunfast | Also Aptitude when run by itself has an ncurses package selection thing |
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| 11:09.15 | Thick_McRunfast | They also merged apt-cache search in, so aptitude search does something other than error |
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| 11:15.00 | Symbi0nt | where is the mail queue of postfix? |
| 11:15.10 | Symbi0nt | what is the directory called? |
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| 11:20.46 | Thick_McRunfast | Symbi0nt: dpkg -L postfix | less |
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| 11:20.49 | Thick_McRunfast | :\ |
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| 11:22.34 | Symbi0nt | is postfix a daemon which has to run permanently? |
| 11:22.45 | Symbi0nt | so that I have to see it via "ps -A" ? |
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| 11:24.38 | nolimitsoya | Symbi0nt, that would be the general idea with all daemons |
| 11:24.50 | acemi | Symbi0nt: netstat -taunp | grep 25 |
| 11:25.05 | Arafangion | nolimitsoya: Except for xinitd ones. |
| 11:25.25 | Symbi0nt | hmm my debian tells me that he started the mta but the list don't shows it |
| 11:25.30 | Symbi0nt | thats why I ask |
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| 11:26.50 | Arafangion | Symbi0nt: How does it tell you that it has started the mta? |
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| 11:27.16 | Symbi0nt | "Starting mail transport agent: Postfix." |
| 11:27.32 | Symbi0nt | :25 the "master" is listen ... |
| 11:27.36 | Symbi0nt | so I guess thats right |
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| 11:32.05 | Symbi0nt | is there a directory where all mails are until they get send? |
| 11:32.17 | Symbi0nt | a queue directory maybe? |
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| 11:36.07 | Symbi0nt | where do I find the postfix config? |
| 11:36.45 | petemc | looked in /etc ? |
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| 11:36.56 | Thick_McRunfast | I told him how to find it |
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| 11:38.20 | Symbi0nt | you told me how to list just everything what has postfix in the name |
| 11:38.31 | Symbi0nt | I've done that .. |
| 11:38.40 | Thick_McRunfast | No, I told you how to list the files that were installed by the postfix package. |
| 11:38.41 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 11:38.51 | Thick_McRunfast | ï½ï½ãï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½ |
| 11:38.54 | Symbi0nt | something like that :> |
| 11:39.05 | Thick_McRunfast | Symbi0nt: So? Go look through the files installed and find the config. |
| 11:39.08 | Thick_McRunfast | problem solved. |
| 11:39.20 | Symbi0nt | etc/postfix/master.cf or main.cf |
| 11:39.27 | Symbi0nt | got it already .. |
| 11:39.30 | Symbi0nt | somehow |
| 11:39.35 | Thick_McRunfast | awesome, stop crying |
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| 11:41.35 | jelly-home | Symbi0nt: as for the config, start with http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html |
| 11:42.01 | Symbi0nt | .\o/ |
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| 11:43.17 | jelly-home | Symbi0nt: it's usually the first thing people in #postfix point someone to |
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| 11:44.12 | Symbi0nt | well it uses capital letters :> |
| 11:44.20 | Symbi0nt | it must be important. |
| 11:44.25 | Symbi0nt | ;] |
| 11:46.12 | Symbi0nt | I need a break .. killing some zombies ... L4D i'm comming. |
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| 11:54.06 | Doctor-Steve_ | anyone here? |
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| 11:54.37 | sladi | Does Masqmail have queueing for outgoing smpt mail? |
| 11:55.31 | Gigantic | where did the Wine Lennyy go? |
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| 11:57.29 | valdyn | sladi: uh? |
| 11:57.44 | valdyn | sladi: how else is it supposed to deal with "hosts |
| 11:57.50 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.39 | sladi | valdyn: Thanks! :) I just read that again. It wasn't mentioned in a Wiki page. |
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| 12:01.46 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 12:01.58 | aprendiz001 | I have an error when I try to connect an external HD |
| 12:02.11 | aprendiz001 | FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
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| 12:03.31 | aprendiz001 | Someone knows how to solve it |
| 12:03.32 | aprendiz001 | = |
| 12:03.35 | aprendiz001 | ? |
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| 12:04.48 | valdyn | aprendiz001: ignore it |
| 12:05.01 | valdyn | aprendiz001: and dont use non-asci chars |
| 12:05.23 | aprendiz001 | But I think that due to that error |
| 12:05.32 | aprendiz001 | the HD mount as readonly |
| 12:05.38 | valdyn | aprendiz001: thats nonsense |
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| 12:06.19 | aprendiz001 | my problem is that I can't write in my hd |
| 12:06.24 | aprendiz001 | for 2 weeks |
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| 12:06.56 | Arafangion | aprendiz001: You don't need to ignore the error, but you do need to READ it. It states that the filesystem will be case sensitive. |
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| 12:07.12 | Arafangion | aprendiz001: Which means... That it'll be case sensitive, rather than case insensitive. |
| 12:07.32 | Arafangion | aprendiz001: It has nothing to do with it being read-only, and doesn't even mention it. |
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| 12:07.55 | Arafangion | aprendiz001: If it is read-only, you need to remount it as read-write. |
| 12:08.01 | aprendiz001 | I think that was an error and readonly was the reaction for thar error |
| 12:08.16 | Arafangion | aprendiz001: No, read the message. |
| 12:08.20 | aprendiz001 | okis |
| 12:08.30 | aprendiz001 | but this worked sometime before |
| 12:08.34 | sladi | aprendiz001: I think that means you can use case sensitive in Linux and Windows might have a problem with that. |
| 12:08.38 | aprendiz001 | how can I chande readonly? |
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| 12:09.33 | aprendiz001 | I don't know what I have to write in gconf... |
| 12:09.39 | aprendiz001 | or maybe in udev rules .. |
| 12:09.43 | aprendiz001 | any clues please? |
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| 12:11.50 | Arafangion | can't really help because he doesn't usually deal with that stuff. |
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| 12:13.15 | JyZyXEL | everyone do: dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 12:13.26 | Arafangion | JyZyXEL: Why? |
| 12:13.32 | JyZyXEL | im interested |
| 12:14.00 | Arafangion | JyZyXEL: Why? |
| 12:14.20 | JyZyXEL | cause i think i have too many |
| 12:14.37 | Arafangion | How many do you have? |
| 12:14.42 | JyZyXEL | 2572 |
| 12:14.45 | Mundus | You have too many packages installed? |
| 12:14.47 | JyZyXEL | desktop system |
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| 12:15.02 | JyZyXEL | i bet they take alot of space |
| 12:15.15 | Mundus | Yeah, that sounds correct |
| 12:15.27 | Arafangion | I've got 898 installed, as a desktop system, but I deliberately keep mine very minimal. |
| 12:15.33 | Arafangion | doesn't use tasksel. |
| 12:15.35 | petemc | and space is at such a premium with the size of hard disks being what they are.. |
| 12:15.56 | Arafangion | The more packages installed, the more complex the system. |
| 12:16.07 | JyZyXEL | seems that you never have enough |
| 12:16.13 | Mundus | petemc: Yeah, I can't imagine how I managed without 2TB of HD space on my workstation before |
| 12:16.27 | Arafangion | is still happy with 20 GB HDD's. |
| 12:16.39 | Arafangion | Except when I have to move backups, virtual machines, and crap. |
| 12:16.59 | JyZyXEL | never have enough libs |
| 12:17.41 | Mundus | I don't have a workstation =P |
| 12:17.56 | Arafangion | has an Eee-pc, with win XP. |
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| 12:18.34 | Mundus | ThinkPad T43p, Aspire One A150 160GB, Asus F8S |
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| 12:18.54 | aprendiz001 | how can I change the readonly mount in my external HD? |
| 12:19.11 | Mundus | umask? |
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| 12:26.22 | aprendiz001 | Mundus, I don't know |
| 12:26.29 | aprendiz001 | umask is a mount option? |
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| 12:28.30 | Mundus | Depends on the filesystem you're mounting methinks |
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| 12:29.18 | Arafangion | aprendiz001: What does /proc/mounts say, on the line corresponding to your problem drive? |
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| 12:30.36 | kqr | after fiddling around with my video drivers a little it seems all films i try to watch gets green... why's that? |
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| 12:31.30 | aprendiz001 | Arafangion, /dev/sdb1 /media/disk vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,utf8,flush 0 0 |
| 12:31.42 | aprendiz001 | there appear rw |
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| 12:33.58 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 12:34.01 | master_alvaro | i found "cool" deb repo, which have a lot of games: http://www.playdeb.net/ |
| 12:34.44 | master_alvaro | can i use it in debian OR ubuntu is required? |
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| 12:36.17 | baubau | hy all |
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| 12:36.38 | lvh | Hey. I've got a new vim color scheme. It works in gvim, but not in vim (console mode). |
| 12:37.02 | lvh | it works with guifg, guibg and gui -- can I get it to work on the console, too? |
| 12:37.29 | master_alvaro | i found only blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/playdeb/+spec/debian-compatibility |
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| 12:40.41 | kqr | after fiddling around with my video drivers a little it seems all films i try to watch gets green... why's that? and how can i correct it? :/ |
| 12:40.54 | liable | xine? |
| 12:41.39 | liable | always installs xine vlc and mplayer, because at any one time, two out of three always seem to be broken |
| 12:41.55 | kqr | xD |
| 12:42.23 | kqr | well, totem, vlc and mplayer seems to give me green video |
| 12:42.47 | kqr | i suspect it occurred after i fiddled a little with video drivers |
| 12:42.54 | liable | and you tried various video output drivers? |
| 12:44.17 | kqr | hmm |
| 12:44.25 | kqr | mplayer -vo gl |
| 12:44.27 | kqr | works |
| 12:44.47 | kqr | even though mplayer says my system is too SLOW to play this |
| 12:45.12 | kqr | x11 works too |
| 12:45.12 | kqr | :S |
| 12:46.00 | liable | whats the problem then ;) |
| 12:46.03 | kqr | dunno xD |
| 12:46.12 | kqr | looking for how to set that up in vlc now xD |
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| 12:49.12 | kqr | well found how to do it command line |
| 12:49.15 | kqr | suits me fine |
| 12:49.16 | kqr | :D |
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| 12:56.51 | aprendiz001 | sigo teniendo problemas con el puto readonly en mi disco duro externo |
| 12:56.59 | aprendiz001 | alguien le ha pasado algo similar? |
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| 12:58.25 | dutchfish | !es |
| 12:58.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:58.57 | aprendiz001 | sorry I thought I was in other channel |
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| 12:59.04 | dutchfish | no problem |
| 12:59.22 | aprendiz001 | I have problems with my external hd |
| 12:59.36 | aprendiz001 | it is mounted as readonly |
| 12:59.37 | dutchfish | usb? |
| 12:59.41 | aprendiz001 | yes |
| 12:59.55 | aprendiz001 | but one week ago It was working |
| 13:00.04 | dutchfish | you could umount it and manually mount it rw |
| 13:00.11 | Polarina | !eo |
| 13:00.22 | Polarina | No channel for Esperanto? |
| 13:00.50 | JyZyXEL | auto eth1 |
| 13:00.50 | JyZyXEL | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 13:01.02 | JyZyXEL | how you make so that it doesn't dhcp nameservers? |
| 13:01.20 | dutchfish | ifcae eth1 inet static |
| 13:01.29 | aprendiz001 | dutchfish, but in /proc/mount is in this way: /dev/sdb1 /media/disk vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,utf8,flush 0 0 |
| 13:01.39 | JyZyXEL | thats not the solution |
| 13:01.47 | aprendiz001 | it is as rw but in my desktop icon in properties appear as readonly |
| 13:01.54 | JyZyXEL | it needs to get everything else with DHCP than nameservers |
| 13:02.15 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, it could be its messed up so the kernel allows only ro on mount |
| 13:02.28 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, should be in the mogs |
| 13:02.35 | dutchfish | s/mogs/logs |
| 13:02.50 | Cromag | gnome-terminal and OO writer starts up when i boot up my debian lap. How do i change/remove this ? |
| 13:02.57 | aprendiz001 | what path? |
| 13:03.39 | JyZyXEL | fuck ill just do: up cp /etc/resolv.conf.real /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:03.43 | petemc | Cromag: gnome-session-save |
| 13:03.50 | Cromag | thanks |
| 13:03.54 | petemc | !tell JyZyXEL about fixresolvconf |
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| 13:04.58 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
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| 13:05.38 | JyZyXEL | prepend domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1; |
| 13:06.27 | aprendiz001 | dutchfish, I have this info |
| 13:06.28 | aprendiz001 | http://paste2.org/p/108848 |
| 13:06.44 | aprendiz001 | it is rw in mount too but I don't know what is the problem |
| 13:07.01 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, looks fine to me |
| 13:07.03 | thechef | I have samba on machine A, and I access that share from B via cifs. Now when I reboot A, when it's back up again the CIFS mount is now longer "responding" |
| 13:07.34 | kai4711 | hey guys.... i want to limit the count of tries a user has when logging in via ssh |
| 13:07.36 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, maybe you would run a filecheck on it |
| 13:07.52 | kai4711 | you enter the username and then have about 5 or 6 tries to enter pwd |
| 13:07.58 | kai4711 | i didnt find anything in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:08.02 | kai4711 | to limit this |
| 13:08.13 | kai4711 | i use fail2ban to ban bruteforce |
| 13:08.20 | aprendiz001 | dutchfish, what command is for filecheck? |
| 13:08.30 | kai4711 | but i want to limit the count of tries per login |
| 13:08.36 | kai4711 | to a smaller value |
| 13:09.01 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, man fsck |
| 13:09.12 | aprendiz001 | thanks |
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| 13:11.51 | JyZyXEL | yea fuck this |
| 13:11.59 | JyZyXEL | ill cp a real resolv.conf |
| 13:12.07 | themill | JyZyXEL: that won't work. |
| 13:12.18 | JyZyXEL | i always do it at startup and it works nice |
| 13:12.18 | Mundus | kai4711: I think you can do that with fail2ban |
| 13:12.27 | JyZyXEL | ill just add it to the up |
| 13:12.40 | themill | JyZyXEL: or you could do it the sensible way. |
| 13:12.44 | JyZyXEL | these automatical scripts always manage to get it wrong |
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| 13:12.52 | liable | kai4711: recent module of iptables can do it. theres no sshd config for it |
| 13:12.58 | kai4711 | Mundus: i dont think so |
| 13:13.07 | kai4711 | because of sshd handles this as one try |
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| 13:13.16 | kai4711 | and fail2ban looks for tryies in the logfile |
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| 13:13.27 | JyZyXEL | themill i just tried the sensible way and it didn't work |
| 13:13.27 | rto | Hi, i would like to create a script which creates a screen session with a new running command, ala screen -dmS <session> ls -l |
| 13:13.36 | kai4711 | so sshd gives you 6 chances to enter the right password |
| 13:13.39 | JyZyXEL | !override dns |
| 13:13.39 | dpkg | override dns is, like, Instead of supersede, you can also "prepend""append" to add nameservers. |
| 13:13.44 | rto | But i would like the session to keep being open even after the command is finished. |
| 13:13.45 | kai4711 | and when this fails it writes a login failure |
| 13:13.50 | kai4711 | which is one count for fail2ban |
| 13:13.59 | JyZyXEL | i assumed it means "prepend domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;" |
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| 13:14.09 | JyZyXEL | i did that and my resolv.conf had "127.0.0.1" |
| 13:14.17 | xand | rto: maybe you could use a screenrc file, I would ask #screen |
| 13:14.25 | themill | JyZyXEL: that factoid looks a little broken.... are you using the resolvconf package? |
| 13:14.28 | Mundus | kai4711: Set MaxAuthTries to 5 or 6 in /etc/ssd/sshd_config |
| 13:14.29 | rto | xand: Ok thanks |
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| 13:14.55 | JyZyXEL | themill yea i am |
| 13:15.03 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, wild gues: you have to add dev etx at the end? |
| 13:15.12 | JyZyXEL | what end? |
| 13:15.12 | themill | JyZyXEL: then echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base |
| 13:15.47 | nekostar | kai4711 you can change that.. |
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| 13:16.16 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, your statement or follow themill |
| 13:16.23 | JyZyXEL | !resolvconf |
| 13:16.23 | dpkg | [resolvconf] a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your dns settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your dns settings. Also ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See <resolv.conf> |
| 13:16.39 | crucks | hi |
| 13:17.09 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, but why does your dhcp server correctly push them? |
| 13:17.12 | crucks | is the 3D nvidia driver available in debian lenny (testing)? Or do I need to download it manually from nvidia hoepage |
| 13:17.13 | crucks | ? |
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| 13:17.52 | JyZyXEL | sudo echo -e "nameserver 192.168.0.1" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base |
| 13:17.52 | JyZyXEL | -bash: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base: Permission denied |
| 13:18.07 | JyZyXEL | how nice that the sudo doesn't affect that redirect |
| 13:18.46 | xand | well the > is not part of the sudo-ed command |
| 13:18.59 | JyZyXEL | now i gotta actually login root |
| 13:19.04 | xand | su |
| 13:19.08 | themill | or you could just learn to use sudo |
| 13:19.29 | stew | JyZyXEL: echo whatever | sudo dd of=wherever |
| 13:19.44 | JyZyXEL | hax |
| 13:19.48 | liable | yuck |
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| 13:20.07 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: sudo sh -c 'echo -e "nameserver 192.168.0.1" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base' |
| 13:20.16 | JyZyXEL | this better be the last time i have to cp something to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:20.25 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: that way the shell that performs the redirection runs under sudo |
| 13:20.53 | liable | !win \amethyst |
| 13:20.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, \amethyst! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:21.09 | \amethyst | :P |
| 13:21.37 | JyZyXEL | stew won the hax contest :-D |
| 13:21.54 | stew | hax? |
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| 13:23.07 | dutchfish | i want to rename a physical net device temporary on network boot, is this ligit: ip link set eth0 name peth0 ? |
| 13:23.58 | stew | dutchfish: itym "ip link set name peth0 dev eth0" |
| 13:24.08 | aprendiz001 | dutchfish, thanks for the solution of fsck.fat |
| 13:24.12 | aprendiz001 | now it is working |
| 13:24.13 | kai4711 | cool thanks it seems to work |
| 13:24.17 | aprendiz001 | :D |
| 13:26.01 | dutchfish | stew, ok, and can i then set tap0 to name eth0 and bind it to the bridge so the host will actually use the virtual one? |
| 13:26.28 | Mundus | kai4711: The MaxAuthTries thing? |
| 13:26.33 | stew | dutchfish: why do you want tap0 to be named eth0? |
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| 13:27.16 | dutchfish | stew, because i want the the pysical device binded to the bridge but not used by the host nor virtual machines |
| 13:27.39 | dutchfish | stew, i need arp proxy |
| 13:27.50 | stew | dutchfish: why does the name of the interfaces matter? |
| 13:28.12 | dutchfish | stew, because statd and nfs-kernel server dont like other names |
| 13:28.33 | stew | really? |
| 13:28.43 | stew | that's absurd, you should file bugs |
| 13:28.55 | dutchfish | stew, yep, they run highwire when i try that on latest lenny with stock kernel |
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| 13:29.56 | dutchfish | stew, i have filed the statd can not lock bug already |
| 13:30.33 | stew | dutchfish: if you are permanantly altering eth0's name, i'd suggest using udev: /msg dpkg z25. for setting up bridging, 'man bridge-utils-interfaces' |
| 13:30.34 | dutchfish | stew, but that still does not answer my initial q |
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| 13:31.01 | dutchfish | stew, there is no more z25 in lenny but z90 rules, ha |
| 13:31.08 | JyZyXEL | stew ur robot got a thing about custom kernels for debian? |
| 13:31.39 | stew | dutchfish: what causes the tap0 interface to be created? |
| 13:31.41 | stew | JyZyXEL: what? |
| 13:31.42 | dutchfish | stew, you are refeferring to net-persistant rules wright? |
| 13:31.50 | stew | JyZyXEL: "/msg dpkg kp"? |
| 13:32.05 | stew | dutchfish: i don't know what you mean |
| 13:32.08 | aprendiz001 | dutchfish, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 13:32.13 | dutchfish | stew, the sript i am writing with tunctl ... ikk |
| 13:32.13 | stew | yes |
| 13:32.15 | aprendiz001 | I chage there eth |
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| 13:32.36 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, yep sorry about mixing up 90 |
| 13:33.39 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, stew i need temperary changes not persitant as i told, on work done it undo all this (when the vm's go down in kvm) |
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| 13:35.44 | aprendiz001 | dutchfish, maybe with a script you build? |
| 13:35.51 | dutchfish | stew, i want solution like in xen bridge: br0 -> peth0 <- eth0 | tap1 | tap2 etc |
| 13:35.59 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, trying that |
| 13:36.03 | JyZyXEL | ====== making target debian/stamp/conf/minimal_debian [new prereqs: ]====== |
| 13:36.09 | JyZyXEL | wooot is that minimal?? |
| 13:36.15 | JyZyXEL | minimal sounds bad for a desktop system |
| 13:36.48 | aprendiz001 | dutchfish, you have to change to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:36.59 | aprendiz001 | for working the net |
| 13:38.28 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, so far not, my script does build the bridge, copy the mac to peth0, rename tap0 to eth0 and bring up the other tapx device with appropriate adresses, but somehow i cant reach vm1 from vm2 and vice versa. Reaching other ip's works well |
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| 13:38.52 | tekess | hello |
| 13:39.17 | tekess | I'm having some trouble trying to install debian on a dell studio hybrid |
| 13:39.25 | dutchfish | aprendiz001, and that way nfs and stad wont get confused from the host |
| 13:39.43 | dutchfish | s/stad/statd |
| 13:39.52 | tekess | it does not detect my dhcp server, neither it works when configuring the network manually |
| 13:40.03 | aprendiz001 | I only used for persistent changes |
| 13:40.22 | tekess | has anybody had this problem before? |
| 13:41.06 | dutchfish | tekess, does it recongnize your card? |
| 13:41.30 | liable | tekess: but it detects your card? |
| 13:41.34 | tekess | I don't know, how can I check? |
| 13:41.42 | dutchfish | tekess, lspci -v |
| 13:41.48 | tekess | debian installer's shell is really limited |
| 13:42.00 | tekess | well, I never finished the instalation |
| 13:42.12 | liable | if it tried dhcp, i imagine it detected it |
| 13:42.15 | tekess | lspci works ok when running a live ubuntu |
| 13:42.30 | tekess | network works too on ubuntu |
| 13:42.42 | dutchfish | tekess, or debian-live ;) |
| 13:42.42 | JyZyXEL | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 13:42.46 | JyZyXEL | QUESTIONS |
| 13:42.49 | JyZyXEL | so many questions |
| 13:43.03 | JyZyXEL | there are like million new things in the newest kernel |
| 13:43.16 | JyZyXEL | i don't feel like ansewering to these all |
| 13:43.22 | tekess | dutchfish: an ubuntu live cd is all I have |
| 13:43.34 | JyZyXEL | imma ^c this shit |
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| 13:43.45 | dutchfish | tekess, its ok, just wanted to let you know there are denian lathernatives |
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| 13:44.21 | tekess | thanks : ) |
| 13:44.28 | JyZyXEL | someone should add a counter in that |
| 13:44.35 | JyZyXEL | so you see how many questions are left |
| 13:44.40 | tekess | so, any ideas why the network won't get configured? |
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| 13:45.30 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.46 | JyZyXEL | sup Agiofws |
| 13:46.46 | dutchfish | !kp mantra |
| 13:46.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 13:47.11 | JyZyXEL | whats initrd |
| 13:47.25 | dutchfish | hides in the bushes |
| 13:47.40 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 13:47.49 | JyZyXEL | i don't know what it is. i don |
| 13:47.54 | JyZyXEL | t need it |
| 13:48.15 | cahoot | JyZyXEL: if you compile your own kernel you probably don't want an initrd anyway |
| 13:48.23 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd |
| 13:48.39 | JyZyXEL | looks boring |
| 13:48.50 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, it isnt |
| 13:48.54 | dunkyp | hi does anyone know how to set the classpath in debian |
| 13:48.58 | JyZyXEL | o m g it still asks questions |
| 13:49.16 | JyZyXEL | i'm not gonna sit here anserwing to all these |
| 13:49.31 | petemc | mush better to talk shit in an irc channel |
| 13:49.52 | JyZyXEL | can i like | yes |
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| 13:49.58 | dunkyp | sorry if I'm causing anyone bother by asking it's just it doesn't seem very well documented |
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| 13:50.07 | Sark | hello what is meaning with cached on top? |
| 13:50.08 | abrotman | duckx: he didn't mean you |
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| 13:50.19 | abrotman | Sark: did you read the top man page? |
| 13:50.24 | JyZyXEL | i thought kp mantra would take care of stupid stuff like this |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | erm .. dunkyp he didn't mean you |
| 13:50.34 | dunkyp | oh sweet good |
| 13:50.35 | abrotman | duckx: misfire, sorry |
| 13:50.43 | Sark | no, but i think is a buffer , correct? |
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| 13:52.22 | d-b | hi there what parts of the kernel included in the lenny kernel (currently) have or contain binary blobs ? |
| 13:52.26 | JyZyXEL | why does bluetooth suck so much |
| 13:52.41 | d-b | or does one have to use contrib to get those |
| 13:52.43 | JyZyXEL | it has bad support for all operating systems |
| 13:53.00 | abrotman | then don't use it, and quit whining |
| 13:53.05 | JyZyXEL | its already like 8 yrs old |
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| 13:54.00 | epsilon | age doesnt mean anything, KDE for example getting unuseable with every singe day and version |
| 13:54.20 | abrotman | dunkyp: something under /etc/java/ ? |
| 13:54.24 | stoned | so age does mean something |
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| 13:54.34 | stoned | as it gets older each day it gets better |
| 13:54.39 | stoned | thats still aging... |
| 13:55.48 | dunkyp | abrotman: thanks I'll have a look |
| 13:55.53 | rto | ...still playing with screen. I think i have narrowed my need down to a way to start a shell and make it execute a command but keep the sheel open. I'm pretty sure that i have done it before with something like sh -i -c 'ls -l' |
| 13:56.04 | abrotman | dunkyp: IIRC there is a #debian-java on OFTC |
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| 13:57.35 | NoReGreT | one of my intel cpu's instrcutions is EM64T, does that mean I should get the amd64 arch ? |
| 13:57.46 | rto | In python you can do python -i -c 'import sys' |
| 13:57.47 | stoned | you can |
| 13:58.22 | NoReGreT | stoned: was that for me ? |
| 13:58.22 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, it depends on your needs, but it can |
| 13:58.34 | \amethyst | rto: you can't, but you can do something like sh -c 'ls -l; exec sh -i' |
| 13:58.47 | adb | then don't use it, and quit whining |
| 13:58.49 | NoReGreT | dutchfish: so in this case, i can use i386 and amd64, how about ia64 ? |
| 13:58.50 | abrotman | NoReGreT: yes, you can use either amd64 or i386 |
| 13:58.53 | adb | opps |
| 13:59.04 | abrotman | NoReGreT: ia64 is not for you |
| 13:59.05 | adb | sorry |
| 13:59.07 | \amethyst | NoReGreT: IA64 is itanium, so no |
| 13:59.16 | NoReGreT | I see |
| 13:59.16 | rto | \amethyst: Hmm, that actually looks workable, albeit ugly |
| 13:59.18 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, if you have a cpu that does support it also true |
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| 13:59.34 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, but its depends on your needs what to choose |
| 13:59.54 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, server, desktop, virtualisation etc etc |
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| 14:00.12 | \amethyst | rto: uglier and less workable would be echo 'ls -l' > /tmp/foo; ENV=/tmp/foo sh |
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| 14:01.00 | rto | \amethyst: Wow, that actually qualifies as a real hack |
| 14:01.01 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, i mostly choose amd64 unless i want a desktop with alot of frills |
| 14:01.02 | loevborg | When I make changes to a Makefile.am, how do I make these changes go into Makefile? |
| 14:01.04 | NoReGreT | dutchfish: well, using a 64 os on either is a plus |
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| 14:01.25 | stoned | ugh. why did I wake up so early. I'm going back to sleep. |
| 14:01.31 | NoReGreT | dutchfish: my use this time is a desktop |
| 14:01.37 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, not neccesary always, amd64 consumes more power so i dont like it on a lappy |
| 14:02.19 | Kohlrabi | why's that@power consumption? |
| 14:02.49 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, but for a workstation with not to much frills i would go amd64, also better compile times and virtualisation |
| 14:02.49 | rto | stoned: Yeah, get back to bed man, you're still stoned! |
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| 14:03.19 | dutchfish | Kohlrabi, amb64 draws more power when under load ~20% |
| 14:03.40 | Kohlrabi | yeah, but why? |
| 14:03.43 | NoReGreT | dutchfish: what do you mean by "frills" ? |
| 14:03.47 | tuxcrafter | hi everybody, i installed some packages from sid and experimental and i want to remove all packages out or th experimental rep, how can i do this? |
| 14:03.59 | dutchfish | Kohlrabi, ofr that you get better performance, but that trade-off on a lappy is bad for that |
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| 14:04.11 | ukl | Hello. I've got a pretty basic question but is has been puzzling me for quite some time now: Is it possible to plug a switch between a adsl modem and a computer; so the computer does the pppoe stuff and would also be able to communicate with other devices connected to the switch? |
| 14:04.29 | ukl | (Something, I'm not sure which it is, seems wrong with that...) |
| 14:04.50 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, frills like iceweasel plugins, and things not that ready under 64 bit |
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| 14:05.17 | NoReGreT | ukl: pppoe is done thru a virtual int, the real int could be used to talk to the other hosts |
| 14:05.26 | NoReGreT | dutchfish: I see |
| 14:05.32 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, like avahi and zeroconf and so |
| 14:06.03 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, but amd64 has come up to speed, so i prefer it when possible |
| 14:06.12 | ukl | NoReGreT: but the virtual interface would be using the physical one just as well? |
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| 14:06.25 | ukl | and the pppoe connection through a switch does work? |
| 14:06.27 | NoReGreT | duckx: actually, I always thought that amd64 was only to amd cpus :) |
| 14:06.42 | enouf | !test |
| 14:06.43 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:06.45 | petemc | ukl: a switch wont do forwarding, the computer would need to do that |
| 14:06.49 | NoReGreT | ukl: the virtual int will be created while dialing up |
| 14:07.05 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, no, in future there will be one kernel for both, unluckely it is called amd64 |
| 14:07.08 | NoReGreT | ukl: the answer to your question is yes |
| 14:07.22 | ukl | NoReGreT, petemc, thanks a lot. |
| 14:07.52 | Kohlrabi | Didn't find anything on the web so far supporting the claim that amd64 install draws more power, dutchfish, can you help me out here? :) |
| 14:08.14 | dutchfish | Kohlrabi, i cant help more then my own tests i did so far |
| 14:08.16 | abrotman | not amd64 .. 64bit is what he said IIRC |
| 14:08.30 | \amethyst | tuxcrafter: something like aptitude search '~S~i~Aexperimental' |
| 14:08.44 | dutchfish | abrotman yes |
| 14:09.47 | dutchfish | Kohlrabi, for more power cionsumption you get better performance, but, do you need that performance on a lappy in general? i want longer battery live on a lappy |
| 14:10.23 | stoned | you know I was going to go to bed that but intrigued me so I stayed and lurked |
| 14:10.36 | stoned | dutchfish, how exactly is amd64 arch sucking more juice? |
| 14:10.43 | dutchfish | Kohlrabi, 20% less power means about 1 hour more working time, thats huge differences (9 cell battery) |
| 14:10.44 | stoned | you still haven't said anything about that |
| 14:10.55 | Kohlrabi | yeah |
| 14:10.58 | d-b | !firmware |
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| 14:11.20 | abrotman | d-b: did you download the linux-source package and look ? |
| 14:11.47 | d-b | abrotman: no. why ? |
| 14:11.54 | abrotman | why would you look? |
| 14:12.04 | d-b | what? |
| 14:12.04 | dutchfish | stoned, i cant explain that in terms of inner workings of the kernel, i am not that good, but i just state the facts i have expirienced |
| 14:12.08 | \amethyst | dutchfish: doesn't that assume the laptop is under load the whole time? |
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| 14:12.13 | \amethyst | dutchfish: the 1 hour figure |
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| 14:12.20 | abrotman | d-b: you're asking what firmware is in the lenny kernels .. i said to get the linux-source package and look |
| 14:12.24 | d-b | oh there was a slashdot story -slashdot tends to be inaccurate so i thought i would ask. |
| 14:12.27 | \amethyst | dutchfish: since you said 20% more power consumption *under load* |
| 14:12.30 | dutchfish | \amethyst, not neccesary |
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| 14:12.35 | abrotman | d-b: or email the debian-kernel team and ask |
| 14:12.36 | d-b | abrotman: well sure is it easy to find (if it is there) |
| 14:12.41 | d-b | ok will do. |
| 14:12.42 | abrotman | erm .. s/team/list/ |
| 14:12.54 | stoned | how did you monitor power consumption under load? |
| 14:13.01 | stoned | and while not under load? |
| 14:13.18 | d-b | get a physical power meter |
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| 14:13.24 | dutchfish | \amethyst, when iddle the power consumption drops (of coarse) but the same on 32 bit, still the amd64 kernel draws ~205 more power |
| 14:13.34 | \amethyst | dutchfish: ah |
| 14:13.34 | dutchfish | s/205/20 |
| 14:13.50 | stoned | uhm |
| 14:13.53 | stew | d-b: look at emails from ben hutchings to the debian-kernel mailing list starting in october or so |
| 14:13.56 | stoned | are you sure its not the bios controlling that? |
| 14:13.58 | abrotman | those 64bit noops are killer! |
| 14:14.14 | stoned | while idle many cpus go into power save type, drop the vcore and fsb |
| 14:14.33 | stoned | while under load they raise slightly the vcore and fsb |
| 14:14.35 | abrotman | d-b: ben's blog http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog |
| 14:14.36 | \amethyst | and 64-bit has more registers to save |
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| 14:15.04 | stoned | I had no idea that can cause a higher power consumption |
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| 14:15.19 | \amethyst | just a guess |
| 14:15.22 | dutchfish | \amethyst, you can control for yourself, i used powertop for that and my watch :) |
| 14:15.41 | dutchfish | \amethyst, my tests where all debian lenny |
| 14:16.11 | dutchfish | \amethyst, on older cpu the difference is less in favor of 64bit |
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| 14:16.44 | \amethyst | dutchfish: did powertop show more wakeups? |
| 14:16.57 | dutchfish | \amethyst, i used kernels 2.6.25 2.6.26 and even 2.6.27 |
| 14:17.14 | dutchfish | \amethyst, not really big difference |
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| 14:17.47 | dutchfish | \amethyst, the best i could do is ~50 wakeups a second when cpu was throtled |
| 14:18.37 | dutchfish | \amethyst, and that was without the gksu bug |
| 14:18.38 | thief` | is there a reason why apt-get install xmms does not find the program? |
| 14:18.46 | thief` | is it not supported anymore or something? |
| 14:18.49 | \amethyst | dutchfish: interesting... wonder if anyone has tested this on other laptops |
| 14:18.50 | Mundus | xmms2 |
| 14:18.51 | \amethyst | thief`: correct |
| 14:18.52 | avu | thief`, xmms has been dropped from debian |
| 14:19.03 | dutchfish | \amethyst, so far i found not much info on this |
| 14:19.03 | thief` | does it not work well? |
| 14:19.10 | avu | !tell thief` about xmms |
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| 14:19.30 | thief` | i just saw some scr shots, looks great, is there something that is the same as it?' |
| 14:19.35 | dutchfish | \amethyst, i tried this on 3 dif models not big difference |
| 14:19.36 | abrotman | thief`: audacious works well for those that want the interface |
| 14:19.46 | thief` | i love the old winamp, and now that i'm on linux... want what is the same.. |
| 14:19.53 | thief` | hmm, i'll check that one out. |
| 14:19.56 | \amethyst | thief`: audacious probably |
| 14:20.10 | thief` | ok, cool. thank you... |
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| 14:20.26 | thief` | figured it was something like that when the xmms.org won't even load. |
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| 14:20.35 | BillyLeeCN | i want foobar |
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| 14:21.49 | tuxcrafter | \amethyst: thanks for answering my question i will test if the command works |
| 14:22.31 | adb | http://cmrg.fifthhorseman.net/wiki/PowerConsumption |
| 14:22.55 | cnjs3274 | I have installed a very basic debian-based system on my HD .. tweaked to my liking .. and would like to "clone" it to a CD .. so that I can go to another location, boot my CD .. and hopefully I will be presented with the same interface & tools I am familiar with .. is there any simple way of doing this? |
| 14:23.03 | dutchfish | \amethyst, 1 more notice: encrypion seamed to benefit the most from 64 bit performance versus power wise, that was huge difference, think of encrypted disks etc |
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| 14:24.09 | \amethyst | dutchfish: yeah... if you're doing something that uses the CPU a lot and for which 64-bit is significantly faster, the benefit from reduced run time may offset the ~20% increase in power consumption |
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| 14:24.23 | dutchfish | \amethyst, bingo |
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| 14:24.57 | thief` | installing audacious... yay. |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | don't say that til you use it! |
| 14:25.48 | cnjs3274 | .. ideally .. something along the lines of "makeliveCD dev=/dev/hda1 | growisofs .. /dev/hdc" |
| 14:26.08 | tuxcrafter | \amethyst: em where can i find the section "Search Patterns" in the aptitude reference manual |
| 14:26.09 | thief` | hey! whats that mean? |
| 14:26.10 | thief` | uhh oh. |
| 14:26.11 | thief` | hah |
| 14:26.16 | tuxcrafter | or where can i find the reference manual |
| 14:26.23 | tuxcrafter | man aptitude is not it? |
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| 14:26.31 | d-b | athank you abrotman |
| 14:26.48 | d-b | its the other type of firmware i guess ^^ |
| 14:26.54 | abrotman | thank stew ... i had forgotten about ben's posts |
| 14:26.58 | dutchfish | \amethyst, i am likely to think that the faster (better) you 64bit cpu is, the worse it will get in powersavings, specially in iddle state |
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| 14:27.14 | \amethyst | tuxcrafter: install aptitude-doc-en then /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html |
| 14:27.29 | dutchfish | \amethyst, that is when used with a 64 kernel |
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| 14:28.20 | \amethyst | dutchfish: hm... did you try all three combinations of kernel/userspace? Which was the more significant factor? |
| 14:28.45 | dutchfish | \amethyst, userspace does the lesser part |
| 14:29.16 | dutchfish | \amethyst, i did some rudemantery tests wich ia32 under 64 |
| 14:29.26 | thief` | ok, a harder question... i stick in my trusty lil thumb drive (using ubuntu) and i do mount /dev/sdc1 /media is that the correct way? |
| 14:30.00 | \amethyst | dutchfish: you should write this stuff up and blog it somewhere |
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| 14:30.01 | dutchfish | \amethyst, not conclusive so far however |
| 14:30.02 | abrotman | thief`: if you're using Ubuntu, please ask #ubuntu for support |
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| 14:31.30 | dutchfish | \amethyst, well, actually i reported this to a hardware vendor, they where very intrested and gone conduct tests, wich will be published |
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| 14:32.12 | dutchfish | \amethyst, they have better access to hardware then i have |
| 14:32.17 | \amethyst | dutchfish: nice |
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| 14:33.03 | \amethyst | dutchfish: found this: http://home.fnal.gov/~wenzel/Benchmarking/chep2006/chep2006.pdf |
| 14:33.35 | \amethyst | dutchfish: never mind |
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| 14:33.54 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I thought that was going to have something about power consumption but it does not seem to |
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| 14:34.39 | \amethyst | dutchfish: rather, it does, but not for different modes on the same processor |
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| 14:34.58 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes |
| 14:35.17 | dutchfish | \amethyst, oh one more thing |
| 14:36.31 | dutchfish | \amethyst, there is leap in power reduction on the 2.6.24 kernels and newer, the older kernels show worse power/performance quotes, probably when tickless came around |
| 14:37.05 | dutchfish | \amethyst, power reduction has stalled since then |
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| 14:37.51 | dutchfish | \amethyst, and i meant when in iddle state |
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| 14:39.30 | thief` | they don't respond in there. maybe they are angrier. |
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| 14:40.17 | dutchfish | \amethyst, right now i am investigating the best use of kvm on servers (power consumption trade off), so far i have a hunch that kvm does the best job on that, better then any other vm |
| 14:40.21 | abrotman | thief`: we do not support Ubuntu users here, ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 14:40.56 | dutchfish | \amethyst, hence my bridge questions earlier on ;) |
| 14:42.08 | thief` | you do not like ubuntu folks? are they not nice people? |
| 14:42.27 | abrotman | that's not the point, this channel is to support Debian users |
| 14:42.48 | thief` | isn't deb the big brother of ubuntu? |
| 14:42.57 | abrotman | that's not the point, this channel is to support Debian users |
| 14:43.00 | dutchfish | !ubuntu |
| 14:43.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:43.01 | abrotman | Ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 14:43.28 | thief` | ahh, i see. |
| 14:43.43 | thief` | quickly switches to debian.. |
| 14:43.47 | thief` | heh, jk. |
| 14:43.58 | thief` | you guys seems smarter though. |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | then install debian |
| 14:44.15 | tuxcrafter | \amethyst: thank you now i understand what the sudo aptitude search '~S~i~Aexperimental' command did, is there a way to downgrade all the packagages back to unstable archive versions? |
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| 14:44.27 | zeld | hi all |
| 14:44.31 | zeld | i've a question.. |
| 14:44.40 | zeld | i'm try to recompile mplayer |
| 14:44.55 | zeld | and i get error aboutibavcodec/libavcodec.a(libx264.o): In function `X264_frame': |
| 14:45.10 | abrotman | zeld: you probably want to ask #mplayer, or use the packages already in debian |
| 14:45.14 | zeld | but i've installed the dependencies |
| 14:45.15 | zeld | :S |
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| 14:45.32 | zeld | abrotman: ok..thnx. ..i try on mplayer chan! |
| 14:45.34 | zeld | :-) |
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| 14:51.30 | zigovr3 | hi all, how can I list all package that I requested to install, but not those that were automatically installed (because of dependences), so something like "dpkg -l" but only the one I asked for ? |
| 14:51.50 | abrotman | !tell zigovr3 about installed |
| 14:51.55 | shams | if i want to complete remove a compiled application, how can i do that? |
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| 14:52.24 | abrotman | shams: do you still have the source tree? |
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| 14:53.46 | zigovr3 | abrotman: thanks, but isn't that include packages that were automatically installed too ? |
| 14:53.57 | abrotman | zigovr3: the aptitude bit ? |
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| 14:54.42 | avu | zigovr3, you can exclude them with aptitude using !~M |
| 14:54.57 | zigovr3 | ah thanks |
| 14:55.09 | abrotman | oh .. the bot used to say that .. someone changed it |
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| 14:55.14 | avu | so in your case ~i!~M |
| 14:55.30 | abrotman | or not .. whatever .. i'm insane |
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| 14:56.00 | avu | the message of the bot doesn't include !~M |
| 14:56.08 | avu | which is correct, I think I might even have changed that |
| 14:56.15 | avu | it's about listing all installed packages |
| 14:56.21 | abrotman | yeah .. it's in "aptitude clone" .. i'm crazy .. and your !~M is correct |
| 14:56.27 | avu | not about listing all installed packages exectp automatically installed ones |
| 14:56.33 | zigovr3 | ok so I tried this : aptitude search -F '%p' '~i!~M' |
| 14:56.49 | abrotman | and? |
| 14:56.53 | zigovr3 | but it still list things like "libmono" which I'm pretty sure I never asked for explicitely |
| 14:57.16 | avu | well, perhaps the automatic status was removed from it using unmarkauto or something like that? |
| 14:57.54 | avu | or you installed the packages using dpkg directly after building them yourself? |
| 14:58.02 | shams | abrotman: no |
| 14:58.02 | zigovr3 | basically, it still list lots of libs |
| 14:58.11 | avu | that is at least for me the reason for most libraries listed as not automaticly installed |
| 14:58.26 | avu | the query is correct the way you did it |
| 14:58.30 | abrotman | shams: no? |
| 14:58.31 | onetinsoldier | what's aptitude clone? used for people who want to server up debian packages? |
| 14:58.37 | onetinsoldier | for = by |
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| 14:58.48 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: no .. to copy a package list |
| 14:58.49 | zigovr3 | ok avu |
| 14:58.59 | abrotman | zigovr3: did you used to use apt-get instead of aptitude ? |
| 14:59.10 | zigovr3 | yes I most often use apt-get |
| 14:59.13 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: ok... so it's like dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 14:59.14 | zigovr3 | shouldn't I ? |
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| 14:59.17 | shams | abrotman: no |
| 14:59.25 | abrotman | shams: context? |
| 14:59.38 | abrotman | shams: oh .. then there is no easy way .. good luck! |
| 15:00.03 | shams | abrotman: :( can i redownload source package and do uninstall? |
| 15:00.12 | abrotman | maybe .. what program is this? |
| 15:00.12 | zigovr3 | abrotman, avu , aah, so if I understand, apt-get doesn't handle "automatic" packages the same way, and mark all dependencies as installed explicitely ? |
| 15:00.29 | avu | zigovr3, not anymore I think, but it used to be that way, yes |
| 15:00.50 | zigovr3 | ok, is there a way to correct this retrospectively ? |
| 15:00.56 | avu | no |
| 15:01.01 | abrotman | retroactively ... |
| 15:01.12 | zigovr3 | yeah I guessed so, too bad for me |
| 15:01.17 | avu | well, you can explicitly mark certain packages as automatically installed of course |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | zigovr3: you could mark them .. but that would be tedious |
| 15:01.31 | zigovr3 | a bit :) |
| 15:01.33 | avu | but that could be quite a lot of work for questionable gain |
| 15:01.53 | abrotman | zigovr3: you could script it so that they are all marked auto .. and then unmark the specific ones you want |
| 15:02.03 | \amethyst | you could mark everything named 'lib.*' as autoinstalled |
| 15:02.04 | zigovr3 | yes I was thinking of that |
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| 15:02.13 | zigovr3 | true too |
| 15:02.48 | zigovr3 | anyway, thanks for the help, I should be able to go on from there |
| 15:02.55 | \amethyst | might be some false positives, but you can fix those up. restricting it to the 'libraries' section might help to |
| 15:02.59 | \amethyst | o |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | p |
| 15:03.35 | abrotman | or you could just ignore it! :) |
| 15:04.07 | zigovr3 | basically, what I 'm doing right now is reinstall from scratch, but I'd like to reinstall all packages I had on the old install |
| 15:04.18 | zigovr3 | so I list packages in the old install, and will install them in the new |
| 15:04.57 | \amethyst | zigovr3: and you want to preserve auto-installed status too? |
| 15:05.02 | abrotman | !tell zigovr3 about aptitude clone |
| 15:05.02 | zigovr3 | exactly |
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| 15:05.30 | abrotman | zigovr3: you could then edit that list to remove the ones you want set as auto |
| 15:05.33 | zigovr3 | ah ha, excellent |
| 15:06.01 | zigovr3 | what does the "%100p" mean ? |
| 15:06.22 | abrotman | you owe 100 pennies? |
| 15:06.24 | \amethyst | zigovr3: package name with a field width of 100 |
| 15:06.40 | zigovr3 | ok like printf |
| 15:06.47 | abrotman | \amethyst: way to take the fun out of it! |
| 15:06.50 | dutchfish | !coffee abrotman |
| 15:06.50 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of fair trade Colombian for abrotman, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 15:07.00 | abrotman | icky |
| 15:07.06 | \amethyst | though you probably don't need the 100 |
| 15:07.07 | zigovr3 | ok so I can just put "%p" I guess |
| 15:07.41 | zigovr3 | isn't it a kind of mistake in the bot answer ? |
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| 15:08.11 | abrotman | yell at the bot |
| 15:08.30 | abrotman | i don't think i've seen a Debian package with a name over 100 characters |
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| 15:09.01 | asg | abrotman: dpkg has a more reasonable coffee factoid it seems |
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| 15:09.32 | abrotman | asg: you could change the other .. wait .. i suggested that a few days ago :) |
| 15:09.53 | asg | abrotman: that would be HORRIFIC |
| 15:10.23 | abrotman | asg: just make it so cmd: coffee (.*?) .. always gives you coffee :) |
| 15:10.38 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 15:10.49 | shams | i want to begin a virtual hosting. i need to host controller, mail account manager, ftp and ... can you introduce me a good article for this act? |
| 15:11.03 | abrotman | shams: ssh and vi .. enjoy! |
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| 15:12.09 | shams | abrotman: i use ssh and vi for many years and manage my customers without any tools. but this is very hard for many customers maintenance. |
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| 15:12.24 | abrotman | if you can learn, so can they! |
| 15:12.37 | abrotman | shams: i don't think software like that is in debian |
| 15:13.01 | \amethyst | dtc maybe |
| 15:13.34 | jpinx | shams: webmin |
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| 15:13.40 | abrotman | not in debian ... |
| 15:13.42 | \amethyst | !webmin |
| 15:13.43 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 15:13.49 | abrotman | and please don't ever suggest webmin |
| 15:14.38 | jpinx | Hmmm -- interesting -- never knew that |
| 15:14.40 | onetinsoldier | hi. i just mounted a floppy and then did an 'ls' on it. i get a message 'ls: cannot access blah' for every file on the floppy... theni get the normal ls list of the floppy. what's wrong there? |
| 15:14.48 | abrotman | i think \amethyst's suggestion of dtc is more like what shams is looking for |
| 15:14.50 | jpinx | purges webmin |
| 15:15.10 | dutchfish | shams, http://packages.debian.org/nl/lenny/dtc-core |
| 15:15.19 | jpinx | googles dtc |
| 15:16.08 | dutchfish | shams, https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/dtc-xen/0.3.23-1 |
| 15:16.26 | dutchfish | :) |
| 15:17.00 | zigovr3 | where can I find the doc for the search pattern ? |
| 15:17.08 | shams | dutchfish: Failed to Connect |
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| 15:17.26 | zigovr3 | for "aptitude search" I mean |
| 15:17.41 | abrotman | zigovr3: in the aptitude manual |
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| 15:17.45 | abrotman | the very large manual |
| 15:17.48 | dutchfish | shams, the last link is very slow |
| 15:18.00 | zigovr3 | abrotman: in HTML maybe ? in /usr/share/doc ? |
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| 15:18.09 | abrotman | i can't recall if it's HTML ... |
| 15:18.15 | abrotman | doesn't see why that matters |
| 15:18.48 | abrotman | judd: info aptitude-doc-en |
| 15:18.49 | judd | abrotman: aptitude-doc-en (doc): is optional; Version: 0.4.4-4; Size: 318.0k; Installed: 1072k -- English manual for aptitude, a terminal-based apt frontend |
| 15:19.21 | dutchfish | shams, http://packages.debian.org/nl/source/lenny/dtc-xen |
| 15:19.25 | abrotman | notes "apt-cache search aptitude documentation" doesn't find the aptitude doc package |
| 15:19.32 | zigovr3 | ah ok it's just a big README file |
| 15:19.40 | shams | dutchfish: can you please tell m that what is dtc? |
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| 15:19.53 | dutchfish | !info dtc |
| 15:20.58 | jpinx | is dtc safe on lenny? |
| 15:21.06 | shams | !dtc |
| 15:21.07 | dpkg | DTC is Domain Technologie Control, a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel - http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html Packaged for <sid>. |
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| 15:22.05 | dutchfish | jpinx, in lenny yes |
| 15:22.22 | dutchfish | jpinx, http://packages.debian.org/nl/lenny/dtc-core |
| 15:22.47 | jpinx | dutchfish: cool -- thanks -- I'll try it |
| 15:22.53 | dutchfish | jpinx, dtc-xen is waiting for aproval |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | dpkg: dtc =~ s/ Packaged for <sid>.// |
| 15:23.06 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
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| 15:24.19 | jpinx | dutchfish: what is the ...-xen package doing? |
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| 15:24.34 | dutchfish | jpinx, oops my mistake its in already: http://packages.debian.org/nl/lenny/dtc-xen |
| 15:25.03 | jpinx | dutchfish: :) |
| 15:25.05 | dutchfish | jpinx, to have a soap based panel in xen for managing dtc |
| 15:25.23 | jpinx | goes off to do some serious reading |
| 15:25.33 | Piper69 | I am getting these messages randomly now KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid to set scan code 92 to keycode 225 |
| 15:26.00 | jpinx | I have an almost unused server with two public IP's -- seems a waste to not do virtual hosting on it |
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| 15:26.50 | dutchfish | jpinx, there you go, but rem that it is still testing |
| 15:27.39 | jpinx | dutchfish: yes -- but lenny is not far off being stable I think |
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| 15:27.56 | dutchfish | jpinx, dunno, i think its ready when it is :) |
| 15:28.08 | jpinx | has a heap of upgrading to do - sarge->etch->lenny with dtc |
| 15:28.50 | dutchfish | jpinx, at least dtc deserves more attention |
| 15:28.54 | jpinx | dutchfish: it's frozen - and that is usually a good sign ;) |
| 15:29.25 | dutchfish | jpinx, still some things to stratighten out before it will become stable |
| 15:29.44 | dutchfish | jpinx, but we are getting there |
| 15:29.58 | jpinx | dutchfish: of course, but I will not be ready to sell virtual hosting until I learn dtc well;) |
| 15:30.12 | jpinx | and I reckon Lenny will probably beat me to it :D |
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| 15:30.32 | dutchfish | jpinx, if you testdrive it now, you will be armed when it becomes stable and you can roll out it then |
| 15:30.56 | jpinx | dutchfish: yep - that's what I'm thinking |
| 15:31.05 | dutchfish | jpinx, gl |
| 15:31.20 | jpinx | dutchfish: thanks for the prompts..... |
| 15:31.29 | dutchfish | jpinx, yw |
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| 15:34.03 | shams | please introduce me some of the best open source web hosting control panel. |
| 15:34.24 | dutchfish | shams, i just did |
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| 15:35.02 | dutchfish | shams, there should be others as well |
| 15:35.03 | epsilon | I use syscp |
| 15:35.31 | SystemFAILURE | I use [Web|Virtual]min |
| 15:35.52 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 15:35.52 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 15:36.06 | SystemFAILURE | lol |
| 15:36.13 | jpinx | heh |
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| 15:41.15 | nnull | whats the latest version of debian? rc4 or lenny? |
| 15:41.34 | SystemFAILURE | nn64:: the latest stable is Etch |
| 15:41.35 | dutchfish | nn64, if you refer to stable: etch |
| 15:41.35 | Craz | stable, testing, or unstable? |
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| 15:41.56 | nnull | i was told to go with unstable.. |
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| 15:42.10 | SystemFAILURE | nn64:: then Lenny |
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| 15:42.16 | SystemFAILURE | opz |
| 15:42.18 | SystemFAILURE | nnull:: then Lenny |
| 15:42.23 | nnull | basically making a lightweight surfing/openoffice only box that only has 128meg of ram so yea |
| 15:42.28 | nnull | okie |
| 15:42.34 | nnull | thx |
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| 15:42.46 | dutchfish | nnull, stick to stable, specially on olde rmachines |
| 15:43.07 | nnull | stable secure? |
| 15:43.39 | nnull | just wondering why i was recommended unstable at all |
| 15:43.45 | onetinsoldier | nnull: are you pretty concerned about security? |
| 15:43.46 | dutchfish | nnull, i only go testing when my new hardware demands it, otherwise i choose stable |
| 15:44.06 | \amethyst | nnull: unstable has newer software---that's probably why someone recommended it to you |
| 15:44.08 | nnull | onetinsoldier¬ yea just want this box to be secure and solid, it needs only to be able to surf the web and use openoffice |
| 15:44.11 | dutchfish | nnull, and there is always backports |
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| 15:44.44 | \amethyst | nnull: is openoffice 2.0 okay with you, or do you want 2.4 ? |
| 15:46.30 | onetinsoldier | nnull: ok, use etch(stable) then. if your hardware is fairly new.. i would indeed recommend using lenny(testing). |
| 15:46.30 | SystemFAILURE | /!\ NETSPLIT /!\ |
| 15:46.30 | nnull | was hoping to install 3.0, but im guessing thats not gunna happen lol |
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| 15:46.38 | dutchfish | nnull, i think with 128mb that wont rock either |
| 15:46.38 | \amethyst | nnull: that's not even in unstable yet :) |
| 15:46.38 | nnull | oh |
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| 15:46.45 | \amethyst | nnull: it's in experimental right now, but that's not a distribution, just an archive section |
| 15:46.55 | nnull | ahh |
| 15:46.55 | \amethyst | I guess a pseudo-distribution |
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| 15:46.55 | dutchfish | !experimental |
| 15:46.56 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 15:47.04 | JyZyXEL | apt-get upgrade from experimental |
| 15:47.08 | Piper69 | i am using secureCRT to ssh to my Debian box from a windows machine, is there is a way i can open X session in my windows machine |
| 15:47.19 | JyZyXEL | for bleeding edge system |
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| 15:48.00 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: howdy mate, how you doing today? |
| 15:48.04 | nnull | i haven't much experience with openoffice, 2.0 or 2.4 as long as it works and can cross open / edit .doc files! :) |
| 15:48.12 | JyZyXEL | is alsa this pathetic |
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| 15:48.16 | nnull | and doesnt have huge security holes in it |
| 15:48.18 | JyZyXEL | you cannot have multiple sound sources |
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| 15:48.25 | dutchfish | Piper69, there are ways to install X on windows, but i use a virtual debian machine inside windows for that |
| 15:48.27 | JyZyXEL | jesus |
| 15:48.36 | JyZyXEL | ridiculous |
| 15:48.37 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: howdy mate, still struggling installing mythTV |
| 15:48.44 | JyZyXEL | whats mythtv? |
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| 15:48.48 | nnull | what is mythtv ive heard of that alot |
| 15:48.54 | nnull | some media distro huh |
| 15:49.03 | Rideh | how is driver support for 64 bit comming along? i'm on a core2duo laptop ibm t61p.. should i continue to stick to 32bit? |
| 15:49.04 | onetinsoldier | Piper69: roger. what is mythTV anyway? |
| 15:49.10 | Piper69 | dutchfish: yeah , i would like to install x on windows |
| 15:49.18 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: yes you can have multiple sound in alsa |
| 15:49.20 | Piper69 | onetinsoldier: its a PVR |
| 15:49.24 | abrotman | Rideh: depends which drivers you're referring to |
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| 15:49.30 | stew | Rideh: driver support for what? |
| 15:49.38 | onetinsoldier | Rideh: hell no.. get on the 64-bit bandwagon as quick as you can! let me put it this way... |
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| 15:49.47 | dutchfish | Piper69, http://x.cygwin.com/ |
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| 15:50.13 | dutchfish | Piper69, but i prefer then virtual solution and then use simply ssh -X |
| 15:50.18 | rebecka | I run lenny on a compaq evo N600c and the snd-maestro3 module seems to give me no sound... according to all sources I've found the maestro3 module should work what could I be missing? |
| 15:50.27 | Rideh | I've had issues in the fast with nvidia (quattro fx570m), wifi (4965agn), sound, etc |
| 15:50.30 | Rideh | *past |
| 15:50.33 | onetinsoldier | Rideh: i have a pretty new system i put together less than a month ago. i installed 64-bit lenny on it a couple of weeks ago without a hitch as far as driver support goes |
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| 15:50.47 | JyZyXEL | jpinx i was watching youtube and tried to play music with xmms |
| 15:50.51 | JyZyXEL | it wouldn' |
| 15:50.54 | JyZyXEL | t play |
| 15:50.58 | stew | Rideh: since the wifi driver is free, the support is the same for 32 and 64 bit |
| 15:51.00 | onetinsoldier | Rideh: what's the sound card? |
| 15:51.10 | stew | JyZyXEL: please don't hit enter so often |
| 15:51.11 | Rideh | onetinsoldier: not sure lemme check some generic thing |
| 15:51.26 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: you need to add to alsa's config |
| 15:51.31 | JyZyXEL | stew my keyboard is broken |
| 15:51.32 | Rideh | intel soundMax integrated |
| 15:51.33 | JyZyXEL | can't help it |
| 15:51.39 | JyZyXEL | sends enter by itself |
| 15:51.41 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: hang on and I'll look for the script I used |
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| 15:52.19 | Rideh | onetinsoldier: also stuff like fingerprint reader i'd like to have working (did in the past in gentoo was a bitch) |
| 15:52.20 | onetinsoldier | Rideh: roger.. it's probably supported |
| 15:52.46 | onetinsoldier | Rideh: i would have no idea about that fingerprint thing tho |
| 15:53.01 | Rideh | ok well thats good news, i just remember having odd issues with 64 bit, packages not wanting to compile, driver issues etc. but i figured that its matured a bit |
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| 15:53.42 | tetonca | I thought I was the only person in christendom to use 'roger' on IRC. ;) |
| 15:53.43 | dutchfish | Rideh, lenny does a decent job so far, no such trouble myself |
| 15:53.51 | zigovr3 | hey aptitude is pretty nice once you learn to use it :) |
| 15:54.04 | onetinsoldier | tetonca: hehe |
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| 15:54.11 | riaal | Is there a way to use scp to get a file from a remote server? |
| 15:54.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: are you just trying to be intentionally annoying now? |
| 15:54.15 | tetonca | <-- ham since 1974 |
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| 15:54.20 | JyZyXEL | stew no |
| 15:54.30 | dutchfish | riaal, sure man scp |
| 15:54.35 | Rideh | riaal: if its running ssh server (and probably sftp ) sure |
| 15:54.39 | stew | riaal: scp user@remoteserver:/path/to/file /local/destination |
| 15:54.41 | JyZyXEL | i don't know what the heck is wrong with my keyboard but if i type too fast it adds extra characters |
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| 15:54.56 | abrotman | what does that have to do with hitting enter too often? |
| 15:55.03 | JyZyXEL | i have no idea why it does that |
| 15:55.03 | stew | JyZyXEL: and it happens to add enter and always in between words? |
| 15:55.03 | Rideh | JyZyXEL: sounds like you have one of those new thinking keyboards with the RISC processor! |
| 15:55.05 | riaal | ist that the other way around stew ? |
| 15:55.07 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: http://pastebin.com/f4f6c3119 |
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| 15:55.17 | stew | riaal: no, scp source destination |
| 15:56.18 | JyZyXEL | jpinx lol that shit should be so default by default |
| 15:56.35 | Gremlin | What types of interprocess communication (or IPC) does gpm use to communicate mouse position and button status? Does it also communicate other things like mouse velocity (not that this can't be obtained by measuring position changing)? |
| 15:56.38 | JyZyXEL | i wouldn't really expect to see a "sound device is busy" in modern computers |
| 15:56.43 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: I'm only trying to help you |
| 15:56.44 | JyZyXEL | that was ok in the 90's |
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| 15:57.55 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: take up your beef with the system with alsa or debian folks - not me |
| 15:58.10 | \amethyst | someone told me recently that that behaviour *is* the default now |
| 15:58.29 | JyZyXEL | jpinx wasn't taking it up with you |
| 15:58.30 | \amethyst | though I don't know if "now" started before the release of etch or not |
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| 15:59.28 | zigovr3 | errm, once I've schedulled some package for installation with aptitude, how can I cancel all that and start over ? |
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| 15:59.44 | stew | zigovr3: there is a 'forget pending actions' in the actions menu |
| 15:59.54 | zigovr3 | and from the command line ? |
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| 16:00.56 | \amethyst | zigovr3: keep-all |
| 16:01.05 | zigovr3 | ah thanks |
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| 16:01.24 | Piper69 | okay after i install cygwin in my windows how can i get my debian S session |
| 16:01.29 | zeld | bye |
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| 16:03.18 | rebecka | Ok so I figured out that I need some evil firmware is the evil alsa blobs packaged in any way or will I have to compile? |
| 16:03.59 | Gremlin | Could you ask that in English? |
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| 16:04.34 | dutchfish | Piper69, http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html |
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| 16:05.39 | Rusty1 | does udev have to be installed as a package or is it built into 2.6 kernels? |
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| 16:06.14 | dutchfish | Rusty1, neither its installed along the other .udebs |
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| 16:07.16 | Rusty1 | dutchfish: thx, so apt-get --purge remove to get rid of old 2.4 - ish udev rules would be ok? |
| 16:07.22 | rebecka | Gremlin: the firmware for the maestro3 card is not in the "main" alsa-base therfore I either download the alsa-firmware package off alsa-project.org or install a oackage from non-free if there is such a package.. is there such a package? |
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| 16:08.15 | dutchfish | Rusty1, i dont know but i might be wrong: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 16:08.19 | assignme | hey guys, i think i installed a cron tab correctly |
| 16:08.27 | assignme | how do i do a sample run ? |
| 16:08.34 | Gremlin | rebecka: I doubt there's an official apt package. |
| 16:08.41 | strange | hey guys im trying to get s-video out to work on an old laptop with intel 82845 G/GL chipset |
| 16:08.50 | strange | i cant find any tutorials |
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| 16:09.35 | rebecka | Gremlin: so do I but there are a lot of strange things hiding away in non-free and contrib... |
| 16:09.45 | dutchfish | Rusty1, on a fresh install its installed by the debian installer, compiling a new kernel does not need any changes in udev, however this only aplies on 2.6 kernel, for 2.4 -> 2.6 i dunno |
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| 16:10.30 | Gremlin | rebecka: Alsa may have a Debian package for convenience. It might be in non-free (you can check). You will most likely be best downloading from alsa-project.org. |
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| 16:11.25 | jpinx | after I do aptitude install xen-docs-3.2 , where are they installed? |
| 16:11.27 | dutchfish | Rusty1, it might be that the --upgrade options of aptitude of apt-get handles this autmagically but i am not sure |
| 16:11.41 | dutchfish | Rusty1, or --dist-upgrade |
| 16:11.59 | Gremlin | If I had a soundcard that required a proprietary firmware image, I'd probably look on Google to see what others did, rebecka. |
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| 16:12.46 | Gremlin | I also use Intel AC'97, so I've never done that myself. |
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| 16:13.54 | dutchfish | Rusty1, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html (see 5.1.1) |
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| 16:14.33 | rebecka | Gremlin: So I did indeed and lo. they all seemd to have it working! (all where pretty old...) however I havve know de debianised my system by compiling the alsafirmware myself and there is now what I presume is the correct firmware in the right dir /lib/firmware/ess and still there is no working sound... damn. |
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| 16:15.54 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 16:16.41 | Blackhold | does anyone knows how goes the packages that have now lenny that don't enables to put to stable? |
| 16:16.49 | Blackhold | some blog or something? |
| 16:16.51 | Gremlin | rebecka: Sorry I can't help more. I've never even had to mess with firmware before more than hacking display modes on Intel 9xx. |
| 16:17.00 | Blackhold | or first hand? ;) |
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| 16:17.39 | daemon-midi | hi, i gotta problem with network access - only the local net is possible |
| 16:17.45 | dutchfish | Gremlin, normally the blob is precompiled and just need to be laoded by the driver, wich is in most cases provided already. |
| 16:17.47 | onetinsoldier | jpinx: you find the docs? if not i use dpkg commands for finding out such things... dpkg -L <package_name> |
| 16:18.28 | dutchfish | Gremlin, the blob itself isnt provided but need to be installed spearately, no module compilation is neccesary for the ones i used |
| 16:18.31 | daemon-midi | how do I configure my box to use the gateway |
| 16:18.45 | Gremlin | rebecka: You could try 4Front Technologie's OSS (Open Sound System). It's not really free as in beer, though. After the trial ends, you have to buy a license (serial key). |
| 16:19.08 | Dominicus | Ok, so I just upgraded to lenny, and tried the hibernation feature on my hp pavilion dv8233cl laptop, it has two hard drives... well, for some crazy reason, the hibernation process screwed up my hard drive listing (else a cosmic coincidence) so that i could only boot up from my other hard drive under windows xp. I was able to probe the drive just fine, and quick test it fine from the BIOS. |
| 16:19.11 | Gremlin | dutchfish: Maybe you can help rebecka, then. You know more than I do. :) |
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| 16:19.23 | Dominicus | I actually had to reflash my bios. Has anyone seen this problem? |
| 16:19.46 | dutchfish | Gremlin, thats all info i have, blobs are black boxes after all ;) |
| 16:19.53 | Gremlin | My understanding was that the blob couldn't be provided by Debian's alsa for IP reasons. |
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| 16:20.27 | dutchfish | Gremlin, correct, and are also no longer provided with lthe latest kernels |
| 16:21.13 | dutchfish | Gremlin, a GPL thingy |
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| 16:21.41 | assignme | ahh guys i did it wrong! |
| 16:21.41 | Gremlin | dutchfish: Right. |
| 16:21.48 | assignme | i tried to install a crontab and it failed |
| 16:21.54 | assignme | it didnt seem to run at all |
| 16:21.59 | Gremlin | rebecka: Are you sure the right alsa-drivers are loaded into the kernel (modules)? |
| 16:22.32 | Joris | anyone done MAC-snat/dnat with ebtables? I think I've got a flaw in my reasoning somewhere |
| 16:22.34 | assignme | can i get someone to assist me really quickly? |
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| 16:22.55 | abrotman | assignme: show us the line |
| 16:23.03 | dutchfish | Joris, whats your q? |
| 16:23.21 | Gremlin | rebecka: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download Make sure you have alsa-drivers as well as alsa-firmware and whatever else the Alsa docs want from that source. Sometimes, distributions like Debian patch stuff. Maybe alsa-drivers was patched such that it won't work with your blob. |
| 16:23.50 | assignme | 11 8 * * * root /var/customBackup1a/backupAll |
| 16:24.06 | assignme | when i did it, the system time was 8 10 |
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| 16:24.26 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: got the docs thanks |
| 16:24.45 | abrotman | assignme: that will run at 8:11 |
| 16:24.55 | jpinx | dutchfish: xen doesn't seem to be that mature yet - seems to need the guest OS's to be customised |
| 16:25.06 | Joris | dutchfish: I'm trying to snat the mac from patckets comming from a tap device (ethernet-bridge VPN), bridged to my physical ethernet. the rule is in place, but tcpdump still shows the original mac for the packets from the tap |
| 16:25.07 | assignme | abrotman: yes it was 810 when i did it |
| 16:25.09 | onetinsoldier | jpinx: cool |
| 16:25.13 | abrotman | assignme: just making sure |
| 16:25.22 | assignme | and i dont see the backup it was suppose to make. it takes 4 seconds to do |
| 16:25.40 | abrotman | assignme: try something like * * * * * root touch /tmp/cron_test |
| 16:25.47 | Joris | dutchfish: (I want to make the ethernet packets from the VPN have the same Ip as the physical nic I'm bridging it to) |
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| 16:25.53 | assignme | crontab -l, 28 8 * * * root /var/customBackup1a/backupAll, Sun Nov 30 08:25:44 PST 2008 |
| 16:26.01 | dutchfish | jpinx, no, unless your cpu does not support VT, you need xen-tools however inside your domU's |
| 16:26.11 | assignme | the file is a bash scrip (#!/bin/bash) |
| 16:26.24 | assignme | does it have to be something else? |
| 16:26.32 | jpinx | dutchfish: I run virtualbox with no need for anything |
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| 16:27.00 | dutchfish | Joris, i have the same problem atm, could be the kernel in lenny wich i am using |
| 16:27.08 | jpinx | dutchfish: but xen doesn't manage those vm's |
| 16:27.18 | dutchfish | jpinx, it does |
| 16:27.38 | Joris | dutchfish: my kernel on the bridge is sarge (2.6.18-5-k7) |
| 16:28.04 | dutchfish | Joris, i have not seen those problems i have in Sarges xen solutions |
| 16:28.07 | assignme | abrotman: should the backup file be a bash script ot something else? |
| 16:28.11 | jpinx | dutchfish: ok thanks -- back to reading.... |
| 16:28.18 | dutchfish | Joris, maybe: http://linux-ip.net/html/nat-dnat.html |
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| 16:28.47 | dutchfish | Joris, PS are the default iptable rules in dom-0 still in place? |
| 16:29.40 | Joris | dutchfish: I'm not running xen |
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| 16:30.14 | dutchfish | Joris, sorry my mistake, i mixed up with other |
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| 16:31.11 | dutchfish | Joris, did you check your arp caches? |
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| 16:31.49 | Joris | dutchfish: I don't control the default gateway, it's has a fixed list of mac's for the IP I'm tunneling away |
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| 16:33.08 | dutchfish | Joris, maybe you have to alter the mac's of the tap devices manually before adding the snat/dnat rules (at the top of my head) |
| 16:34.39 | Joris | dutchfish: that could work, but I have to get it to the physical mac addr, so that would cause havoc |
| 16:34.55 | dutchfish | Joris, mmm.. let me think |
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| 16:35.50 | bluethundr_ | I seem to be missing my /etc/aliases.db and I don't know how to create it... I'm running Lenny |
| 16:36.12 | Joris | dutchfish: I'm doing some other experiments, it seems like it's not willing to snat traffic from the host running the bridge at all |
| 16:36.40 | dutchfish | Joris, did you try it the old proxy arp way? |
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| 16:36.57 | Joris | dutchfish: hmmmno, I'm actually unfamiliar on how that works |
| 16:37.08 | dutchfish | Joris, a sec i google it up |
| 16:37.40 | tetonca | something like 'mkaliases' exists I bleeve. |
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| 16:38.30 | dutchfish | Joris, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_ARP and http://www.sjdjweis.com/linux/proxyarp/ |
| 16:38.42 | bluethundr_ | mkaliases? cool I will try that |
| 16:38.44 | Joris | dutchfish: I need to make everything come from one mac, my physical mac - I don't think proxyarp can do that |
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| 16:39.36 | dutchfish | Joris, yes, but you have to make you physical device have 0.0.0.0 promisc up (with correct mac) |
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| 16:39.55 | dutchfish | Joris, then bind it to the bridge |
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| 16:40.12 | dutchfish | Joris, then make your proxy arp rules |
| 16:40.24 | Joris | dutchfish: interesting, I'll see if I can figure it out |
| 16:40.51 | dutchfish | Joris, its alloong time ago it did it, i wished i wrote it down then |
| 16:41.14 | bluethundr_ | I see the command on google, but mkaliases is not on my system and I can't seem to install it via aptitude |
| 16:41.20 | dutchfish | Joris, it can be done i am sure |
| 16:41.54 | Joris | dutchfish: great :) thanks |
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| 16:42.02 | dutchfish | Joris, yw |
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| 16:42.57 | assignme | i still cant get it to work |
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| 16:43.09 | assignme | the script runs no matter what dir i am in |
| 16:43.15 | assignme | but cron doesnt run it |
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| 16:46.20 | abrotman | assignme: did the test that i mentioned work ? |
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| 16:46.58 | assignme | abrotman: i didnt see it |
| 16:47.03 | dutchfish | assignme, why not make a cron script in /etc/cron.d/ debian does pick thta one up automaticaly |
| 16:47.03 | abrotman | assignme: try something like * * * * * root touch /tmp/cron_test |
| 16:47.06 | assignme | ok trying * * * * * root touch /tmp/cron_test |
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| 16:50.59 | assignme | abrotman: ok done |
| 16:51.06 | assignme | i see no cron_test in /tmp |
| 16:51.33 | abrotman | so your entire cron file isn't being run ? |
| 16:51.47 | abrotman | how did you create this crontab ? |
| 16:51.48 | assignme | thats right it isnt |
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| 16:51.54 | assignme | crontab -e |
| 16:52.10 | abrotman | for which user? your normal user? root? |
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| 16:52.51 | assignme | root, this is a remote box |
| 16:53.14 | assignme | (web hosting, i had to setup apache and such. VM 64mb on a really fast linux box) |
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| 16:53.26 | assignme | its running etch |
| 16:53.41 | peleg | do you know if wvware can read word XP (word 2003?) documents? |
| 16:53.46 | assignme | exim4 wasnt on it by default. right nown i have it set to no configuration |
| 16:53.47 | abrotman | if what? |
| 16:53.51 | assignme | ? |
| 16:53.58 | abrotman | wvware ? |
| 16:54.18 | peleg | http://wvware.sourceforge.net |
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| 16:54.32 | assignme | to me? i dont know how my host is running the VM |
| 16:54.54 | assignme | i just know i have 64mb ram and 2.5gb HD and 100gb bandwidth |
| 16:54.56 | onetinsoldier | it wouldn't surpise me that was formerly called just 'wv'. word view |
| 16:55.01 | abrotman | peleg: it says word 2000 .. i don't think 2000 and 2003 changed formats |
| 16:55.36 | onetinsoldier | wv's been around a looong time |
| 16:55.37 | abrotman | assignme: do you know where the actual file is that is being changed ? |
| 16:55.38 | peleg | abrotman, oh, that's what I wanted to know. thanks! |
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| 16:56.38 | ilaiho | hi! |
| 16:56.42 | onetinsoldier | howdy |
| 16:57.03 | ilaiho | is there a console-based mixer for oss in debian? |
| 16:57.29 | dazjorz | Can I bugreport against Hurd "unreleased" packages? |
| 16:57.34 | \amethyst | ilaiho: aumix |
| 16:57.45 | abrotman | dazjorz: ask the hurd channel |
| 16:57.49 | dazjorz | ok :) |
| 16:58.20 | ilaiho | \amethyst: aumix: error opening mixer |
| 16:58.38 | abrotman | are you using OSS or ALSA ? |
| 16:58.45 | assignme | abrotman: its running my bash script which archives my mysql, svn and trac. I have it set to create in a dir and i do not see it there nor the touch file you ask me to use |
| 16:58.50 | ilaiho | thats it I don't know |
| 16:58.55 | ilaiho | I have VLC installed |
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| 16:59.33 | abrotman | assignme: i asked where the file actually was .. check /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ .. make sure yours is there |
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| 17:00.28 | onetinsoldier | ilaiho: do you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 17:00.38 | assignme | i see a file called root and this is the contents http://rafb.net/p/OkAxy470.html |
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| 17:01.37 | ilaiho | onetinsoldier: yes |
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| 17:01.51 | onetinsoldier | ilaiho: ok.. try amixer |
| 17:02.12 | \amethyst | assignme: does ps auxww | grep '[c]ron' list anything? |
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| 17:05.22 | enouf | ilaiho: if you don't know, then you're most likely using alsa - install alsa-oss |
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| 17:05.35 | ilaiho | onetinsoldier: http://debian.pastebin.com/d1f919b70 |
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| 17:06.02 | enouf | ilaiho: why do you want a mixer for oss? gaming? |
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| 17:07.52 | assignme | someone suggest that cron doesnt run for root |
| 17:07.54 | onetinsoldier | ilaiho: i can't help with the usage of amixer. i am currently waiting for a good driver to come out for my sound card. |
| 17:07.58 | assignme | i am talking to him, brb |
| 17:08.34 | abrotman | assignme: that's easy to test also, do a crontab -e as your normal user with the 'touch' test |
| 17:08.35 | ilaiho | enouf: I try to get VLC working headless |
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| 17:09.23 | enouf | ilaiho: ok, but that really doesn't answer my question? .. but i might be missing some implications |
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| 17:10.19 | ilaiho | enouf: VLC appears to play the sound correctly, but nothing hears |
| 17:10.39 | ilaiho | I think that the sound is maybe turned off |
| 17:10.40 | enouf | ilaiho: pastebin output of lsmod | grep snd and lshal | grep device_file | sort |
| 17:10.51 | enouf | ilaiho: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 17:11.28 | onetinsoldier | enouf: and!?!? && !!! |
| 17:11.35 | onetinsoldier | enouf: hehe... |
| 17:12.06 | enouf | onetinsoldier: my lil' trooper ;-) |
| 17:12.19 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
| 17:12.38 | ilaiho | enouf: is that so difficult?' |
| 17:12.50 | enouf | "that" ? |
| 17:13.06 | ilaiho | getting VLC working headless |
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| 17:13.33 | HyperDevil | how can i disable kernel messages at the console? i already disable sysklogd (i dont want logging) |
| 17:14.17 | onetinsoldier | HyperDevil: man printk... and to get rid of them for now at least, dmesg -n1 |
| 17:14.39 | HyperDevil | No manual entry for printk |
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| 17:15.05 | onetinsoldier | HyperDevil: roger.. just do the 'dmesg -n1' for now |
| 17:15.39 | HyperDevil | onetinsoldier: this wil disable it permanently? |
| 17:15.47 | onetinsoldier | HyperDevil: no |
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| 17:16.18 | abrotman | !printk console |
| 17:16.19 | dpkg | it has been said that printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 17:16.23 | HyperDevil | onetinsoldier: i still get kernel messages, for ex. WARNING: Not loading blacklisted module ipv6.. every 1 second :( |
| 17:16.40 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: thank you.. i needed that as well |
| 17:17.02 | enouf | printk console doesn't work as the factoid seems to imply |
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| 17:17.28 | abrotman | !tell HyperDevil about printk |
| 17:17.32 | abrotman | !tell HyperDevil about syslog console |
| 17:17.34 | abrotman | !tell HyperDevil about printk console |
| 17:17.36 | enouf | HyperDevil: you need to redirect all console output over to another unused tty - say tty12 .. do it in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 17:17.41 | abrotman | HyperDevil: got enough to start with ? |
| 17:17.46 | onetinsoldier | HyperDevil: you might need to give it a few minutes.. i'm not sure. the command works for me though |
| 17:18.08 | HyperDevil | sure |
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| 17:20.23 | enouf | though, i do admit, that dmesg -n1 is a new one to me - so, in that regard i stand corrected, and thanks |
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| 17:21.09 | enouf | but echoing a different group of settings to /proc/sys/kernel/printk (or whatever) and sysctl do not do what they imply they do |
| 17:22.02 | JBastos | where can i find the actual repositories for debian sid? |
| 17:22.30 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 17:22.30 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 17:23.23 | goksin | !apt-spy |
| 17:23.23 | dpkg | apt-spy is, like, a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 17:26.05 | enouf | note; there are also various boot options available for printk settings |
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| 17:26.55 | onetinsoldier | HyperDevil: are you still getting messages? have they stopped yet? |
| 17:27.06 | enouf | (what's available has much to do with kernel version) |
| 17:27.08 | assignme | abrotman: are you still around? |
| 17:27.36 | abrotman | hides |
| 17:27.42 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 17:28.03 | Winya | hi |
| 17:28.07 | enouf | reaches under the table and grabs abrotman by the collar .. |
| 17:28.20 | Winya | can anybody help me with networking? |
| 17:28.49 | gewt | debian ftw |
| 17:29.19 | onetinsoldier | Winya: i doubt i can help much, but what's going on? |
| 17:29.30 | onetinsoldier | maybe someone will be able to help... |
| 17:29.42 | onetinsoldier | we have to know what's up forst tho |
| 17:29.48 | Winya | i have a machine, with two ethernet card. eth0, and eth1. |
| 17:29.51 | onetinsoldier | s/forst/first |
| 17:30.05 | enouf | Winya: complete sentences please |
| 17:30.10 | Winya | eth0 is connected to the net, trough a router, and it works correctly |
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| 17:31.17 | abrotman | assignme: ? |
| 17:31.22 | Winya | i want to connect an another machine to eth1. i've installed dhcp3-server, and the machine gets a correct ip, but i cant ping on the network, and i cant reach the host machine |
| 17:31.38 | abrotman | is it a cross over cable? is there a switch involved? |
| 17:31.43 | HyperDevil | abrotman: i changed /etc/syslog.conf and the sysctl.conf still the crappy messages appear |
| 17:32.00 | enouf | looks around for assignme .. doesn't see him/her ... tosses abrotman back under the table :-P |
| 17:32.10 | onetinsoldier | HyperDevil: you restart syslog? |
| 17:32.26 | HyperDevil | onetinsoldier: rebooted the machine 3x |
| 17:32.39 | onetinsoldier | HyperDevil: copy that |
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| 17:32.42 | dmoerner | if i want something to run on logout, i put it in ~/.bash_logout. if i want something to run on login, do I put it in .bashrc, .bash_profile, or .bash_login? |
| 17:32.45 | enouf | HyperDevil: what did you change in syslog.conf - that was my suggestion, the sysctl.conf was theirs |
| 17:32.50 | Winya | abrotman, yes, its a cross cable, and there isn-t any switch |
| 17:33.12 | enouf | dmoerner: i usually use .bashrc |
| 17:33.12 | abrotman | !tell Winya about ipmasq |
| 17:33.31 | HyperDevil | enouf: set syslog = redirect everything to /dev/null and sysctl to: kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 |
| 17:33.38 | Winya | thanks ^^, |
| 17:33.41 | HyperDevil | enouf: still im flooded with ipv6 messages |
| 17:33.55 | HyperDevil | enouf: on tty1 |
| 17:34.13 | amphi | HyperDevil: dmesg -n1 will suppress console messages |
| 17:34.35 | HyperDevil | amphi: it does not on my machine.. all the ipv6 messages are still coming in |
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| 17:35.09 | HyperDevil | i want to disable all logging of everything.. |
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| 17:35.34 | Joeeigel | Hey, I'm having some problems with perl and apache... Could anybody help me out? |
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| 17:36.42 | abrotman | !ask |
| 17:36.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:37.00 | abrotman | assignme: don't msg me .. keep it in the channel |
| 17:37.25 | abrotman | assignme: did you try to do the crontab as the normal user ? |
| 17:37.39 | abrotman | assignme: i'm not going to reply in msg |
| 17:37.44 | HyperDevil | enouf: any more suggestions? |
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| 17:38.42 | abrotman | waits for assignme to answer in the channel |
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| 17:39.22 | assignme | abrotman: yep i tried that |
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| 17:39.29 | abrotman | assignme: and does it work? |
| 17:39.41 | enouf | HyperDevil: # Log all kernel messages to a spare virtual console. kern.* /dev/tty12 |
| 17:39.48 | rebecka | Gremlin: a reboot made it work; wery windowsish |
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| 17:41.01 | onetinsoldier | rebecka: what was it that you had to reboot for? |
| 17:41.03 | HyperDevil | enouf: i now changed it and rebooted.. see what happens |
| 17:41.43 | assignme | abrotman: nope |
| 17:41.46 | HyperDevil | enouf: its still there on tty1 |
| 17:41.55 | assignme | if it did, i have something to go on |
| 17:42.08 | abrotman | assignme: try adding it to /etc/crontab |
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| 17:42.20 | HyperDevil | enouf: WARNING: Not loading blacklisted module ipv6 |
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| 17:42.32 | mike1o | !wifi |
| 17:42.32 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:42.48 | enouf | HyperDevil: where did you add those lines i mentioned? show me your /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 17:42.50 | mike1o | !madwifi |
| 17:42.50 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:42.55 | enouf | pastebin HyperDevil |
| 17:42.57 | abrotman | mike1o: /msg dpkg foo |
| 17:43.11 | assignme | abrotman: i have none. i have cron.d and cron.daily cron.hourly, etc |
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| 17:43.17 | m0zzzy | hello |
| 17:43.19 | HyperDevil | enouf: i commented out the whole file and added your line.. (the box is offline so not possible to paste) |
| 17:43.21 | abrotman | assignme: which version of debian is this? |
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| 17:43.52 | m0zzzy | my /dev filesystem is 100%, how I can regenerate it with udev to remove dangling devices? |
| 17:43.58 | m0zzzy | I am on Etch |
| 17:44.23 | enouf | HyperDevil: my 'line' is 2 lines - notice the comment |
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| 17:44.58 | HyperDevil | enouf: i only see 1 line? |
| 17:45.03 | assignme | abrotman: etch |
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| 17:45.15 | nkuttler | m0zzzy: you mean you have a partition for /dev/ and it's full?? |
| 17:45.26 | m0zzzy | it's tmpfs |
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| 17:45.30 | m0zzzy | and it's full |
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| 17:45.35 | enouf | HyperDevil: # Log all kernel messages to a spare virtual console. <--is the comment |
| 17:45.53 | m0zzzy | I have not seen this before and I don't know how to cure it |
| 17:45.57 | enouf | HyperDevil: on a new line under it, place--> kern.* /dev/tty12 |
| 17:46.04 | abrotman | assignme: so you don't have a file named "/etc/crontab" at all ? |
| 17:46.10 | assignme | nope |
| 17:46.10 | HyperDevil | enouf: i did that! still the crappy message comes on tty1.. its like a virus :P |
| 17:46.11 | abrotman | assignme: and the "cron" package is installed ? |
| 17:46.16 | assignme | yes |
| 17:46.42 | enouf | HyperDevil: stop whining - we had some miscommunication going on |
| 17:46.46 | abrotman | assignme: reisntall the cron package |
| 17:46.53 | m0zzzy | nkuttler: udev 10240 10240 0 100% /dev |
| 17:47.35 | nkuttler | m0zzzy: i'd guess you put some file there. never seen anything like that |
| 17:47.47 | m0zzzy | I didn't put anything |
| 17:47.55 | m0zzzy | I see it for the first time |
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| 17:48.18 | nkuttler | m0zzzy: ls -l /dev/ |
| 17:48.24 | assignme | abrotman: i tried apt-get install cron, recieved msg "cron is already the newest version." how do i reinstall? |
| 17:48.50 | m0zzzy | nkuttler: chloe:/dev# ls -l /dev | wc -l |
| 17:48.50 | m0zzzy | 205 |
| 17:48.53 | onetinsoldier | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 17:49.01 | enouf | HyperDevil: place these also; new line for each a) *.*;authpriv.none /var/log/messages b) authpriv.* /var/log/secure c) .emerg now, if adding those helps i'll post the comments that go along with those |
| 17:49.16 | nkuttler | m0zzzy: so? |
| 17:49.33 | abrotman | assignme: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:49.35 | m0zzzy | nkuttler: wait a second, I will pastebin |
| 17:50.01 | assignme | ok crontab is now there |
| 17:50.06 | onetinsoldier | cool |
| 17:50.14 | enouf | HyperDevil: just in case you irc client sucks ass c) is (asterisk) .emerg (asterisk) |
| 17:50.20 | onetinsoldier | cron can't live without a crontab file! |
| 17:50.26 | m0zzzy | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/m6ae923b4 |
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| 17:50.55 | enouf | well .. no space between the *.emerg |
| 17:51.06 | HyperDevil | enouf: i did dpkg reconfigure sysklogd and did what you said and now it works after a reboot.. maybe sysklogd had a bad day :P |
| 17:51.20 | enouf | HyperDevil: perhaps :-P |
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| 17:51.43 | m0zzzy | nkuttler: I found it! |
| 17:51.45 | m0zzzy | -rw-r----- 1 root root 10424320 2008-11-30 19:22 c0d1p6 |
| 17:51.57 | abrotman | assignme: now see if your stuff works |
| 17:52.15 | assignme | i still have * * * * * on |
| 17:52.15 | m0zzzy | it's aregular file, probably somebody put it by accident |
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| 17:52.22 | assignme | i need to restart? i'll do so anyway |
| 17:52.30 | enouf | HyperDevil: if you want to actually view those messages on tty12 make a getty for that tty in /etc/inittab |
| 17:52.31 | assignme | logs into his remote host to do so |
| 17:52.32 | nkuttler | m0zzzy: um, rethink your security |
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| 17:52.55 | HyperDevil | enouf: no i dont want those virusses haha thanks anyway :) i dont want logging at all |
| 17:53.21 | m0zzzy | nkuttler: I have all sessions logged..I will search in logs |
| 17:53.35 | onetinsoldier | HyperDevil: what's the systembeing used for? you might think differently at some point |
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| 17:54.09 | onetinsoldier | loggin can be damn good thing |
| 17:54.16 | onetinsoldier | logging* |
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| 17:55.10 | m0zzzy | nkuttler: another problem is that neither cfdisk nor fdisk create files under /dev |
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| 17:57.10 | assignme | ok restarting, it should be another few seconds |
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| 17:57.36 | abrotman | who said restart? |
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| 17:58.01 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: rebecka and assignme |
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| 17:58.46 | abrotman | that wasn't what i asked .. but nevermind |
| 17:58.50 | onetinsoldier | i asked rebecka why he/she needed to restart but got no reply |
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| 18:00.47 | Rolly1 | Hi folks, I'm trying to install ssmtp in a chroot. My system's mail-transport-agent is Postfix, and I don't want the dpkg to remove it or otherwise mess with my system's configuration. How best to do this? |
| 18:01.28 | enouf | Rolly1: can't your just chroot then install it? |
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| 18:02.37 | enouf | Rolly1: you might need to bind mount /proc/ and /sys prior to your chroot .. or just mount -t procfs proc proc /proc (and same for sysfs once within it) |
| 18:02.53 | mohadib | hello, why does debian compile my kernel with gcc 4.3.1, but ships gcc 4.3.2? |
| 18:02.53 | assignme | abrotman: ok i am back in looked at the cron files, reedit and saved the crontab for user1 and right now it hasnt touch(ed) the file i asked it to |
| 18:02.55 | Rolly1 | enouf: I suppose I could, but I would have to copy dpkg and all necessary files first |
| 18:03.31 | enouf | Rolly1: well .. my chroot is an entire separate debian installation - so most everything is available ;-) |
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| 18:03.59 | enouf | Rolly1: might want to look into debootstrap for similar |
| 18:03.59 | Rolly1 | enouf: what about using dpkg --force-conflicts --root= --admindir= --instdir= |
| 18:04.22 | abrotman | assignme: and if you put it in /etc/crontab ? |
| 18:04.23 | enouf | hrm ... |
| 18:04.26 | enouf | dunno |
| 18:04.57 | assignme | abrotman: ?, what do i put in /etc/crontab? |
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| 18:06.15 | abrotman | assignme: the touch test line |
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| 18:06.52 | assignme | you wnat me to put * * * * * user1 touch /etc/crontab ? |
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| 18:10.01 | assignme | nvm |
| 18:10.07 | assignme | i just notice it was a file and not a dir |
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| 18:12.10 | assignme | finally! |
| 18:12.15 | assignme | something happened |
| 18:12.23 | assignme | wow thanks abrotman |
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| 18:12.49 | abrotman | now why aren't the other ones working |
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| 18:14.21 | HeXiLeD | what are the default chmod settings of /home/<user> ( home dir ) ? |
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| 18:14.38 | mohadib | HeXiLeD: ls -la is your friend :D |
| 18:15.01 | mohadib | but id shoot for 700 or 770 |
| 18:15.05 | enouf | why are you chmoding? |
| 18:15.46 | HeXiLeD | mohadib some guy changed his. i want to set them back to default. |
| 18:15.57 | enouf | and ls -ld would be more apropos |
| 18:16.11 | mohadib | do you need group and/or world access for the directory |
| 18:16.27 | mohadib | if not i would do 700, if you need group too i would do 770 |
| 18:16.27 | enouf | drwxr-xr-x |
| 18:16.39 | mohadib | i see no reason to give world any access |
| 18:16.45 | Rolly1 | enouf: I failed :) I think I'll try chrooting and installing like you suggested |
| 18:16.46 | HeXiLeD | true |
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| 18:17.12 | Rolly1 | enouf: by the way, I've been using jailkit to create jails, should I be using debootstrap? |
| 18:17.16 | assignme | abrotman: i am working on that |
| 18:17.31 | assignme | i just did a -e and resaved the file with minor changes |
| 18:17.34 | enouf | Rolly1: well, it depends how "jailed" you need it to be |
| 18:17.37 | assignme | i'll see if it works in 1min few seconds |
| 18:18.02 | enouf | Rolly1: but to answer directly - generally, no |
| 18:18.03 | assignme | abrotman: do you have any idea why my package didnt have a crontab from the get go? |
| 18:18.13 | abrotman | assignme: someone removed it |
| 18:18.20 | Rolly1 | enouf: my jails host website files and I give ssh access to untrusted coders |
| 18:18.47 | enouf | Rolly1: /msg dpkg debootstrap - for jails, consider Xen or UML or similar |
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| 18:19.06 | Rolly1 | yeah I'm thinking about openvz actually. Need to reinstall my system though |
| 18:19.17 | enouf | Rolly1: scponlyc allows for only very minimal access |
| 18:19.30 | Rolly1 | Yep, looked into that |
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| 18:19.42 | enouf | right .. a VM other than vserver should do fine |
| 18:19.57 | Rolly1 | heh, what's wrong with vserver? |
| 18:20.07 | enouf | Shared Memory |
| 18:20.22 | enouf | Rolly1: might want to cisit #security as well |
| 18:20.27 | enouf | visit* |
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| 18:20.39 | Rolly1 | danke |
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| 18:21.11 | MuH4hA | hi there - is there anything similar to the ubuntu-package 'language-pack-gnome-de' in debian? I'm building a live-cd with livehelper and can't change the layout... |
| 18:21.24 | enouf | Rolly1: i bet many will try to get you to try and apply grsecurity - ignore it - use Debian kernels for ease and go with a VM ;-) |
| 18:21.39 | assignme | abrotman: the cron process still exist :| |
| 18:21.39 | Rolly1 | absolutely |
| 18:21.46 | abrotman | exist ? |
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| 18:22.01 | Rolly1 | I'm on ubuntu right now and I hate it. I crave debian |
| 18:22.02 | assignme | yeah i did ps -A and saw cron even tho /etc/crontab didnt exist |
| 18:22.12 | Rolly1 | openvz install on Debian is painless |
| 18:23.08 | enouf | MuH4hA: dunno - try l10- related named pkgs maybe |
| 18:23.28 | enouf | the older ones were i18? .. bah, i forget entirely |
| 18:23.51 | enouf | MuH4hA: seen; /msg dpkg live ? |
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| 18:24.39 | mohadib | Rolly1: they both break a lot for me |
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| 18:25.11 | mohadib | if you want to have current software and run vmware and nvidia pkgs, you will get pwnt repeatdly |
| 18:25.48 | Rolly1 | My ubuntu doesn't actually break much, I upgrade infrequently and install from source a lot |
| 18:26.11 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search l10 | wc -l |
| 18:26.11 | enouf | 283 |
| 18:26.18 | enouf | score - heh |
| 18:26.32 | enouf | note; those are not udebs though |
| 18:27.05 | Polarina | I have a list of files (*) and I want to figure out which of these files has the string "Halloween". How do I do that? |
| 18:27.18 | assignme | abrotman: done, i verified that crontab -e will not work and that editing /etc/crontab will work always |
| 18:27.27 | assignme | so i just put my backup script there |
| 18:27.31 | assignme | this took me 2 hrs |
| 18:27.32 | abrotman | okay then |
| 18:27.48 | abrotman | not having /etc/crontab probably caused a few other weird things on your system i'd guess |
| 18:27.54 | abrotman | like uh .. no log rotation |
| 18:28.03 | assignme | it would of taken me 15mins to write a custom php script and maybe 10mins to change permissions and double check if i forgotten any |
| 18:28.11 | assignme | could be |
| 18:28.26 | enouf | see #php then :-P |
| 18:28.44 | enouf | Polarina: man grep |
| 18:29.05 | Polarina | enouf: I also need it to list the filename. |
| 18:29.11 | assignme | to late its fixed |
| 18:29.16 | enouf | Polarina: grep -r <string> /path/to/parent/dir/ |
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| 18:29.24 | mohadib | Polarina: -l |
| 18:29.30 | enouf | rgrep is nice |
| 18:29.34 | Polarina | mohadib: Thanks. |
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| 18:29.37 | lee__ | Wtf? |
| 18:29.38 | lee__ | >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 19 <<< |
| 18:29.38 | lee__ | sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 19 |
| 18:29.40 | mohadib | np |
| 18:29.44 | enouf | -l will only list the filenames , not the hits |
| 18:30.01 | mohadib | the files with the hits |
| 18:30.08 | MuH4hA | enouf: hmm - can't find anything useful with 'msg dpkg live'... I set LH_BOOTAPPEND='keyb=de' but it did not work. any other ideas? |
| 18:30.08 | enouf | grep will list both |
| 18:30.15 | enouf | no |
| 18:30.29 | Rolly1 | OK, I extracted my ssmtp .deb package, and I don't see a .conf file that's supposed to be there. Is it possible that it's created during postinst? How can I check? |
| 18:30.40 | enouf | no mohadib .. grep will list both the test AND the filenames |
| 18:30.45 | enouf | text* |
| 18:31.05 | enouf | Polarina: said "also" .. not "only" |
| 18:31.09 | mohadib | i didnt say it wouldnt |
| 18:31.13 | mohadib | i say -l list names |
| 18:31.14 | enouf | see above |
| 18:31.29 | enouf | -l will eliminate the text |
| 18:31.38 | Polarina | enouf: Either will do. |
| 18:32.01 | enouf | mohadib: you don't need -l |
| 18:32.29 | mohadib | enouf: Okay already? |
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| 18:32.39 | mohadib | i can use grep and read the man too, but thanks |
| 18:32.53 | enouf | MuH4hA: there are many .. depends on how you're building your frankenstein - see the related appropriate channels that dpkg told you about |
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| 18:34.06 | enouf | MuH4hA: other things might be useful from doing /msg dpkg cdd |
| 18:34.10 | frankS2 | i gotta remove "frank" from hilite |
| 18:34.20 | enouf | you had better :-P |
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| 18:36.30 | MuH4hA | thanks enouf |
| 18:36.46 | enouf | iShock: yo .. use visudo to edit sudoers |
| 18:36.50 | enouf | np |
| 18:36.52 | iShock | I did |
| 18:36.55 | iShock | I forgot an ALL |
| 18:37.00 | enouf | heh |
| 18:37.00 | iShock | I had ALL=(ALL) |
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| 18:51.42 | pureluck | hey there! suppose i have a server with 2 hdds. the first hdd has a read only image of a working gentoo system. i want that each time it reboots the image is cloned to the second drive. it's supposed to be a playground server, if you will. any ideas? |
| 18:51.53 | pureluck | sorry, s/gentoo/debian |
| 18:52.29 | abrotman | wonders how you confuse that ... |
| 18:52.57 | pureluck | copy pasta :P |
| 18:53.07 | abrotman | pureluck: so which linux is it? |
| 18:53.14 | pureluck | anyone will do, actually |
| 18:53.18 | abrotman | pureluck: so which linux is it? |
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| 18:53.52 | et | he's obviously in the planning phase |
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| 18:54.09 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 18:54.32 | pureluck | i am in the planning phase |
| 18:54.37 | butterfish | having a weird issue here, sometimes if i exit a session then start a new one the fonts will be all large, it seems like maybe its a lower screen res |
| 18:54.38 | abrotman | pureluck: try ##linux |
| 18:54.49 | butterfish | sometimes it happens if i kill x with a backslash but this time i just exited a session normally |
| 18:55.15 | butterfish | does anyone have a clue how to stop this |
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| 18:55.24 | obcecado | hi, i'm running debian lenny, and i'm experiencing random freezes caused by: hald-storage-addon |
| 18:55.27 | pureluck | yeah, thanks for the halp.. -.- |
| 18:55.51 | obcecado | also i'm getting errors in /var/log/messages |
| 18:55.57 | obcecado | i'll get those in pastebin in a sec |
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| 18:56.41 | butterfish | xrandr still says i am at the same res |
| 18:56.46 | butterfish | it seems to be a weird font issue |
| 18:57.10 | butterfish | sometimes all fonts in a session will be really large |
| 18:57.21 | butterfish | everything from xchat to xterm |
| 18:57.47 | butterfish | they're not THAT big, about like what id see at 800x600 |
| 18:57.50 | butterfish | but larger than normal |
| 18:58.06 | obcecado | here is the log: http://debian.pastebin.com/m38d6c089 |
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| 19:00.05 | obcecado | should i ask about it elsewhere ? |
| 19:00.14 | butterfish | im going to exit and try again |
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| 19:01.39 | masterkator | that fixed it for now |
| 19:02.35 | onetinsoldier | obcecado: somone on here might have an idea if you keep aksing every so often. but #kernel channel might be a good place to ask about you problem too. |
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| 19:02.46 | butterfish | i thought it was an issue when restarting x11 but it still keeps the same res, just a font issue.. |
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| 19:03.15 | obcecado | thanks for your reply |
| 19:03.20 | onetinsoldier | sure |
| 19:03.48 | obcecado | is there a mailing list where i can ask about this ? |
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| 19:04.04 | butterfish | has no one else experienced an issue with occasional larger than normal fonts in X |
| 19:04.05 | abrotman | debian-user list maybe |
| 19:04.14 | butterfish | it seems to happen every so often |
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| 19:04.54 | obcecado | hal-ipw-killswitch-linux |
| 19:05.00 | obcecado | this might be the cause |
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| 19:08.31 | Edward123 | hey sorry, super quick apt question. i run apt-get remove openoffice* because i want to do an upgrade so i'm getting rid of unessacary junk, but it matches some stuff that i do want like language-support-en. how can i get it to be more exact? i tried apt-get remove "^openoffice" but the results were the same |
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| 19:09.15 | jpinx | Edward123: aptitude purge <package> |
| 19:09.21 | abrotman | if you're going to upgrade .. just get the new packages |
| 19:09.25 | abrotman | you don't have to remove the old ones first |
| 19:09.29 | Edward123 | abrotman, i don't want openoffice |
| 19:09.34 | Edward123 | and i'd imagine that would be a large chunk of files |
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| 19:09.48 | abrotman | if you odn't want it .. then remove all the bits ... |
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| 19:10.11 | Edward123 | yeah actually i guess i could just c&p the list out of the shell |
| 19:10.35 | abrotman | wait |
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| 19:11.10 | abrotman | what's the actual package you don't want removed ? |
| 19:11.10 | Edward123 | abrotman, did you do that? heh |
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| 19:11.10 | Edward123 | abrotman, there are a couple |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | no .. that's a netsplit |
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| 19:11.12 | abrotman | give the exact package name |
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| 19:12.07 | Edward123 | abrotman, sure, was joking about the split |
| 19:12.23 | Edward123 | http://pastebin.com/d6be93144 <- i only wanted to get rid of the packages in this list that actually start with 'openoffice.org' |
| 19:12.38 | Edward123 | i don't want to get rid of stuff like language-support-en, ubuntu-desktop, etc |
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| 19:13.13 | abrotman | Edward123: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:13.22 | jpinx | maybe you should be in #ubuntu |
| 19:13.32 | Edward123 | sure, have done - but it's not ubuntu specific |
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| 19:13.44 | Edward123 | just general apt |
| 19:13.46 | jpinx | it's not debian specific either |
| 19:13.53 | Edward123 | no, it's apt specific |
| 19:13.59 | Eulex | ubuntu has its own version of apt |
| 19:14.05 | Edward123 | right OK |
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| 19:15.53 | Eulex | Edward123, also, the question is more specific to how ubuntu has defined dependencies between packages, than to apt |
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| 19:17.03 | Edward123 | Eulex, ah right, so it's not just a case of feeding it a regex, it's down to deps? i will investigate further, thanks |
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| 19:18.09 | ma3x | is it possible to change the debian's fingerprint so others can't see my os |
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| 19:18.38 | Eulex | ma3x, fingerprint? tcp fingerprint? |
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| 19:18.49 | ma3x | yes Eulex i guess so |
| 19:18.54 | abrotman | you guess so? |
| 19:19.14 | Eulex | ma3x, I guess you're referring to the fingerprint nmap is detecting? |
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| 19:19.20 | ma3x | well what kind of other fingerprint is there? |
| 19:19.22 | ma3x | yes Eulex |
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| 19:20.09 | Eulex | ma3x, well, yes you can. have fun rewriting/patching the linux tcp stack. |
| 19:21.02 | ma3x | well it's kinda privacy breaking if every www site can see what os you're connecting from |
| 19:21.10 | ma3x | it's just like the browser you're using |
| 19:21.13 | butterfish | i thought fingerprinting countermeasures were common |
| 19:21.23 | ma3x | but to change that it's quite easy, unlike tcp fingerprint |
| 19:21.32 | butterfish | maybe some special chain with iptables |
| 19:21.51 | butterfish | i cant rem any utilities off the top of my head but i know they exist |
| 19:22.04 | Eulex | butterfish, hmm, that may work yes |
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| 19:23.03 | ma3x | and how do you detect the os it with nmap? nmap ip doesn't show it |
| 19:23.27 | butterfish | what if i only allow tcp |
| 19:23.31 | butterfish | what can they fingerprint with that |
| 19:23.32 | Eulex | you read the fine man page |
| 19:23.41 | butterfish | and what if im using windows in a vm and linux as host |
| 19:23.51 | butterfish | will that still be fingerprinted as windows |
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| 19:24.41 | butterfish | i do believe the standard way of dealing with that is iptables forwarding to some chain that mangles all those header bits |
| 19:24.48 | butterfish | ive read about it before |
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| 19:25.14 | Eulex | butterfish, you're prolly right |
| 19:25.41 | butterfish | but im curious if i was using windows in vmware or something would that still show up as windows |
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| 19:26.40 | butterfish | ill research that later, good thing i didnt forget about it before implementing my black prjcts |
| 19:26.42 | stoned | yes |
| 19:26.46 | stoned | it will show up as windows |
| 19:26.48 | ma3x | how does the os detection work, in every tcp/ip packet there's a os fingerprint inside? |
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| 19:26.59 | Eulex | ma3x, no |
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| 19:27.07 | stoned | ma3x, this is more for ##networking and not debian support |
| 19:27.09 | Eulex | ma3x, fingerprinting examines patterns |
| 19:27.13 | butterfish | ma3x partly yes |
| 19:27.18 | jpinx | I seem to have lost control of hibernation, my laptop now reboots instead - which is mighty annoying. I can't fix it in gnome, where can I find the cl options for it? |
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| 19:27.28 | butterfish | coupled with specific behavioral analysis of how said os responds to pings and such |
| 19:27.52 | butterfish | passive and active |
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| 19:28.17 | butterfish | say with like... tcp packet ordering |
| 19:28.23 | butterfish | the way the os will number the packets |
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| 19:28.32 | ma3x | so there is no howto or something to tell you how to prevent others from seeing your os? |
| 19:28.37 | butterfish | there's discrepancies between diff os |
| 19:28.59 | butterfish | yes its out there somewhere |
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| 19:29.10 | abrotman | ma3x: ask google |
| 19:29.10 | butterfish | and a whole lot of tutorials on how to use nmap to fingerprint |
| 19:29.14 | simonrvn | you can't prevent that, but you can make the os look like something else |
| 19:29.23 | Eulex | ma3x, a tcp stack will always have a fingerprint. |
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| 19:29.43 | Eulex | but you could perhaps change it |
| 19:29.49 | ma3x | Eulex: i just wanna change it to another |
| 19:29.58 | ma3x | do you know how? |
| 19:30.01 | simonrvn | nmap still can't tell a ppc from a x86 ;) |
| 19:30.02 | cahoot | may one ask why? |
| 19:30.06 | butterfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_fingerprinting |
| 19:30.16 | abrotman | ma3x: go ask google .. |
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| 19:30.28 | ma3x | cahoot: i just prefer others not to be able to see what os im using |
| 19:30.31 | abrotman | ma3x: you can use google just as well as anyone here ... |
| 19:30.35 | ma3x | 'coz debian is so powerful |
| 19:30.42 | stoned | ÙÙ
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| 19:30.52 | stoned | its wrong |
| 19:30.53 | ma3x | stoned: wtf? go to #debian.arabic |
| 19:31.07 | stoned | how can I make KDE Konsole do diff direction text? |
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| 19:31.22 | jelly-home | Ø |
| 19:31.38 | abrotman | no, he means right-left instead of normal |
| 19:31.41 | mrwick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.56 | stoned | ...? |
| 19:32.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: normal for me and you maybe |
| 19:32.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: i assume for him also, or he wouldn't be asking |
| 19:32.17 | stoned | now my entire output is fucked in konsole |
| 19:32.19 | butterfish | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4750 theres ref to one such tool here |
| 19:32.23 | butterfish | its netfilter based though... |
| 19:32.26 | butterfish | meh |
| 19:32.28 | stoned | hang on i have to restart konsole |
| 19:32.47 | stoned | ahh ok there we go |
| 19:32.48 | abrotman | butterfish: stop googling for him |
| 19:33.34 | googlefish | why would i listen to anyone named brotman :P |
| 19:33.36 | googlefish | is that jewish? |
| 19:33.46 | stoned | boratman |
| 19:33.48 | stoned | :) |
| 19:33.49 | googlefish | sounds like a jew, ive got my eye on you! |
| 19:33.50 | googlefish | heh |
| 19:33.52 | stoned | dude |
| 19:33.53 | stoned | stop |
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| 19:34.09 | stoned | thats totally uncalled for |
| 19:34.13 | googlefish | don't call me 'dude' |
| 19:34.19 | googlefish | 'yo' |
| 19:34.20 | stoned | don't actlike a douchebag man |
| 19:34.22 | stoned | c'mon |
| 19:34.29 | Pegasus_RPG | Hi there |
| 19:34.32 | googlefish | hai guise |
| 19:34.36 | jpinx | googlefish: you are causing serious offence here and I hope someone kicks you |
| 19:34.40 | abrotman | googlefish: stop being childish |
| 19:34.43 | googlefish | lulz |
| 19:34.57 | googlefish | slaps jpinx around a bit with a large ><((($> |
| 19:35.06 | Pegasus_RPG | Are there any known issues with Intel integrated graphics on Lenny? |
| 19:35.25 | googlefish | probably |
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| 19:35.27 | stoned | Pegasus_RPG, check the xorg-video-intel something driver package's bug page |
| 19:35.35 | stoned | !tell Pegasus_RPG -about bts |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | that's not the package name. |
| 19:36.05 | stoned | whats why I said something |
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| 19:36.13 | Pegasus_RPG | Thank you, sir |
| 19:36.16 | Pegasus_RPG | (or ma'am |
| 19:36.17 | Pegasus_RPG | ) |
| 19:36.31 | stoned | ma'am. |
| 19:36.41 | jelly-home | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:36.41 | judd | jelly-home: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 sid: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 experimental: 2:2.4.2-1 |
| 19:37.25 | jelly-home | lies! 2:2.5.1-1 0 1 http://debian.iskon.hr experimental/main Packages |
| 19:37.27 | hersoy | hi |
| 19:38.22 | hersoy | i cant start postgresql on my pc (debian 4 etch) |
| 19:38.22 | jelly-home | judd: update thyself |
| 19:38.22 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "update" is not a valid command. |
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| 19:38.23 | Pegasus_RPG | Mine was working well until about 6 months ago |
| 19:38.23 | googlefish | wait why do i care about os fingerprinting |
| 19:38.24 | googlefish | i use tor for everything... |
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| 19:39.07 | dennis | i installed xauth but got no xauthority file. i haven't found this file on my system and in the manpage i haven't found any clue. any idea where i can generate it? |
| 19:39.08 | abrotman | hersoy: we need an error or something |
| 19:39.24 | jelly-home | <googlefish> i use tor for everything... # orly, c-24-125-212-113.hsd1.va.comcast.net? |
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| 19:39.32 | googlefish | lulz |
| 19:39.48 | ma3x | googlefish: what's tor? |
| 19:39.55 | abrotman | ma3x: ASK GOOGLE |
| 19:40.07 | hersoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.12 | hersoy | ... |
| 19:40.17 | googlefish | !google |
| 19:40.17 | dpkg | methinks google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 19:40.38 | abrotman | hersoy: there should be more i'd think |
| 19:40.42 | googlefish | !tor |
| 19:40.42 | dpkg | The Onion Router - a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian, or #tor @ irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:40.45 | stoned | why are you letting him troll? |
| 19:40.49 | googlefish | oh dpkg was doing that |
| 19:40.51 | abrotman | googlefish: stop flooding the damn channel .. |
| 19:40.55 | googlefish | stop whining |
| 19:40.55 | googlefish | jwe |
| 19:40.57 | googlefish | jew* |
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| 19:41.03 | googlefish | lulz |
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| 19:41.30 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:41.36 | simonrvn | thanks abrotman |
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| 19:42.04 | stoned | simonrvn, howdy |
| 19:42.12 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 19:44.01 | onetinsoldier | dennis: hello. i don't know that i can be of much help, but i think that normally that file is generated automatically when you start an X session |
| 19:44.04 | crunge | Anyone have problems running a 3COM 3c905B NIC using the 3c59x driver? I just rebuilt my router from Smoothwall (2.4 kernel) to Etch (2.6.18-6-486) and it seems to just go stupid after a while. syslog/dmesg are littered with "eth1: PCI bus error, bus status 80000020" and "PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:00:0b.0 at offset 1 (was 22100007, writing 2100007) |
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| 19:44.30 | jelly-home | crunge: sounds like a hardware issue |
| 19:44.39 | dennis | onetinsoldier, i dpkg-reconfigured it. now i have this file. but it looks something weird. but it coul be possible that the call of xdm created it, too. thanks. |
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| 19:44.52 | crunge | jelly-home: It does... but it's been running 4 years on the same hardware |
| 19:44.54 | beanplant | the lil jew got butthurt |
| 19:44.55 | beanplant | lulz |
| 19:44.57 | rvalles | crunge: it works fine for me on sparc64. |
| 19:45.03 | beanplant | ow mommy |
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| 19:45.05 | beanplant | butthurt |
| 19:45.08 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@67.159.35.76] by abrotman |
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| 19:45.12 | rvalles | crunge: 2.6.26.something. |
| 19:45.24 | onetinsoldier | dennis: i'm pretty sure that calling xdm would have created it, yes |
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| 19:46.40 | ma3x | abrotman: i find that not good, you tell ppl always go ask google |
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| 19:46.51 | ma3x | there are useful things like knowing about 'tor' |
| 19:46.59 | abrotman | ma3x: no, i tell you to ask google, because you *never* do your own research |
| 19:47.06 | ma3x | you could have told me about it, just say ' hey there is a tool for that tor ' |
| 19:47.20 | ma3x | you could have told me about the keyword |
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| 19:47.23 | ma3x | that's all that it matters |
| 19:47.24 | ziphilus | ow mommy |
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| 19:47.31 | ziphilus | im a jew |
| 19:47.31 | ziphilus | i got butthurrt bad |
| 19:47.31 | ziphilus | i suck cocks |
| 19:47.31 | ziphilus | lulz |
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| 19:47.33 | jelly-home | crunge: my 03:0a.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 24) seems to make no issues on an 2.6.24 kernel |
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| 19:48.11 | slyfox | hey bro's, hows the newest distro, Stable? i have a core 2 quad system i wanna stuff it on |
| 19:48.19 | jelly-home | crunge: I'd still try cleaning the machine, putting it in another PCI slot or something |
| 19:48.26 | abrotman | slyfox: etch you mean? |
| 19:48.32 | slyfox | yea |
| 19:48.37 | abrotman | it's fine .. why? |
| 19:48.51 | crunge | jelly-home: I actually rebuild this box because the hard drive finally died. In the process I gave it a cleaning |
| 19:48.52 | slyfox | just making sure its stable, that's all |
| 19:49.07 | jelly-home | crunge: so it's not the same hardware, you messed with it! |
| 19:49.09 | ma3x | abrotman: is brotman a jewish name anyway? i'm not racist or anything, just interested |
| 19:49.10 | slyfox | coolio |
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| 19:49.20 | abrotman | ma3x: it's an ellis island name |
| 19:49.38 | slyfox | cant wait to install it |
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| 19:50.20 | onetinsoldier | slyfox: installed without a hitch for me and seems quite stable... i have managed to crash konqueror and who knows what other crashes lie in wait.. butit's all good to me |
| 19:50.43 | crunge | jelly-home: Heh... well, I was hoping there was something weird. It behaved perfectly under smoothwall... don't know if it was the 2.4 kernel or a setting it was using. If I'm cracking open the case though I'm swapping out the NIC |
| 19:50.47 | onetinsoldier | slyfox: wait.. are you wanting to know about etch or lenny? |
| 19:50.56 | abrotman | he said stable |
| 19:51.04 | slyfox | Sweet |
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| 19:51.15 | slyfox | no, i bought the distro off line |
| 19:51.20 | abrotman | bought? |
| 19:51.35 | slyfox | and just wanted to make sure its been stable , I appreciate the fast answers |
| 19:51.37 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: ok, i missed that he specifically said etch. i see it now |
| 19:51.54 | abrotman | he said stable .. not etch |
| 19:52.17 | stoned | well since etch is the current stable.. |
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| 19:52.24 | onetinsoldier | slyfox: you have pretty new hardware? |
| 19:52.39 | slyfox | is there the Gforce driver set is really what i need to kow |
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| 19:52.52 | slyfox | 768 vid card yes |
| 19:52.58 | slyfox | dual head |
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| 19:53.07 | bjorkBSD | !gah frigging debian. |
| 19:53.09 | crunge | jelly-home: mine's the exact same NIC as yours, but mine is rev 64. Oh well, I strongly suspect it's card/model specific because my eth0 card is just fine. Thanks for the help |
| 19:53.17 | bjorkBSD | it installed the whole damned world on my machine. |
| 19:53.28 | bjorkBSD | is there a pkg_delete for surgically removing gnome? |
| 19:53.32 | crunge | bjorkBSD: on its own? |
| 19:53.41 | onetinsoldier | etch... 4.0r5... stable... whatever for crying out loud |
| 19:53.44 | bjorkBSD | yeah! i looked away for a minute and a half to talk to this hot chick. |
| 19:53.55 | simonrvn | bjorkBSD: dpkg -P libgnome* stuff |
| 19:54.02 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 19:54.02 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 19:54.04 | slyfox | ok, i'l be back to register on here |
| 19:54.09 | onetinsoldier | has the word anal come to mind |
| 19:54.10 | slyfox | thanks a million |
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| 19:54.46 | simonrvn | updated the factoid ... |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | there are non-gnome things that use bonobo IIRC |
| 19:55.10 | simonrvn | i didn't do the kde one though, come to think of it |
| 19:55.18 | simonrvn | very few |
| 19:55.38 | onetinsoldier | slyfox: if you have newer hardware you might want to consider 'lenny'. aka testing aka 5.0 |
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| 19:55.56 | simonrvn | onetinsoldier: ahem ;) |
| 19:56.00 | slyfox | ok, thanks, |
| 19:56.02 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
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| 19:56.10 | simonrvn | s/5.0/4.1/ |
| 19:56.20 | slyfox | its the kentfield processor |
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| 19:56.25 | abrotman | simonrvn: 5.0 |
| 19:56.39 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: imaybe i am slow.. i can't follow eveybodys messages.. it's getting busy.. sorry if you already covered it |
| 19:56.39 | dennis | i do not geht this x-client/server connection to work. gnah. :( i have a chrooted 32 bit debian and a "main system" x64 debian (both lenny). i installed xserver-xorg-core on the chrooted one + xauth. but i have no clue how i can connect to my "main" system's x-server. |
| 19:56.43 | simonrvn | so why did stew tell me 4.1 ? |
| 19:56.53 | dennis | error: Error: canntt open display: localhost:0.0 |
| 19:56.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: he ate too much turkey? |
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| 19:57.28 | simonrvn | i thought it was 5.0 too, but then stew said, no, it's 4.1. *shrug* |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | slyfox: don't msg me |
| 19:57.49 | abrotman | simonrvn: one of the RMs said 5.0 IIRC |
| 19:57.56 | slyfox | k |
| 19:58.00 | simonrvn | ok |
| 19:58.02 | slyfox | <-_-> |
| 19:58.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: i could find hte email maybe |
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| 19:59.03 | bbhlk | does sid == unstable |
| 19:59.07 | bbhlk | i thought debian had no unstable |
| 19:59.09 | bbhlk | only testing |
| 19:59.12 | jelly-home | even the lenny factoid says 5.0 |
| 19:59.14 | bbhlk | and unstable required binning |
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| 19:59.18 | butterfish | ow mommy |
| 19:59.20 | butterfish | jew got butthurt |
| 19:59.23 | bbhlk | s/binning/pinning |
| 19:59.25 | butterfish | haha disregard that i suck cocks |
| 19:59.31 | onetinsoldier | bbhlk: it has unstable, aka 'sid |
| 19:59.32 | hifi | butterfish: debian has stable, testing, unstable and experimental |
| 19:59.33 | butterfish | RAGE STARTS HERE |
| 19:59.34 | butterfish | raging |
| 19:59.35 | hifi | in that order |
| 19:59.36 | butterfish | jew is raging |
| 19:59.38 | bbhlk | ah ok |
| 19:59.40 | bbhlk | thx |
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| 19:59.44 | butterfish | mk |
| 19:59.47 | butterfish | why do i care again? |
| 20:00.00 | onetinsoldier | bbhlk: and it has something beyond even unstable... experimental! |
| 20:00.04 | simonrvn | butterfish: so you suck cocks? it's ok, nothing wrong with being gay. |
| 20:00.15 | butterfish | lol |
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| 20:00.24 | butterfish | where a borat? |
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| 20:00.29 | butterfish | hey jew |
| 20:00.31 | butterfish | ow mommy |
| 20:00.32 | butterfish | that hurt |
| 20:00.33 | abrottman | DCC CHAT 29384092384902384092384902384902384902384092438092384092348 |
| 20:00.34 | butterfish | i suck cocks |
| 20:00.36 | butterfish | lulz |
| 20:00.40 | butterfish | jew is raging |
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| 20:00.45 | butterfish | watch him go! |
| 20:00.45 | onetinsoldier | abrotman.. get busy man |
| 20:00.46 | butterfish | lulz |
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| 20:00.48 | abrottman | DCC CHAT 29384092384902384092384902384902384902384092438092384092348 |
| 20:00.48 | jelly-home | !ops butterfish abrottman |
| 20:00.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: butterfish abrottman |
| 20:00.49 | butterfish | lol |
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| 20:00.58 | slyfox | ok, thank you abrotman, famous words "I'll be back" |
| 20:00.58 | onetinsoldier | gj |
| 20:01.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 20:01.23 | simonrvn | abrotman++ |
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| 20:01.32 | onetinsoldier | ^^ |
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| 20:02.37 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon, iamtheobject: consider using a less buggy irc client |
| 20:02.47 | abrotman | that's a router issue |
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| 20:02.58 | Sazpaimon | oh wait, somsone try the dcc send thing? |
| 20:02.59 | simonrvn | yes, router |
| 20:03.05 | jelly-home | ah. |
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| 20:03.06 | simonrvn | Sazpaimon: yes |
| 20:03.07 | abrotman | Sazpaimon: connect to freenode on port 8000 |
| 20:03.16 | Sazpaimon | this is why i hate stealing wireless |
| 20:03.20 | abrotman | and/or look for a firmware update for your linksys thingie |
| 20:03.25 | Sazpaimon | 90% of open wireless routers use linksys |
| 20:03.27 | abrotman | unless of course .. it's not yours :) |
| 20:03.35 | simonrvn | same for El_Guillermo |
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| 20:04.02 | Sazpaimon | actually, is there an SSL port for freenode |
| 20:04.08 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: in that case, you deserve anything you get! |
| 20:04.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 20:04.18 | abrotman | Sazpaimon: i can't recall, but the port 8000 thing does "fix" it |
| 20:04.33 | Sazpaimon | jelly-home, I'm just holding out until verizon puts fios in my area |
| 20:04.50 | Sazpaimon | ive been waiting patiently for over a year now |
| 20:04.56 | abrotman | keep waiting |
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| 20:05.47 | Sazpaimon | abrotman, oh I will keep waiting, but i won't wait while paying time warner obscene amounts of money for horrible line speed |
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| 20:06.04 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:06.08 | simonrvn | El_Guillermo: fix your router |
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| 20:10.13 | smimp | can gparted do anything to reduce the number of segments in an lvm volume? or am i looking up the wrong tree to fix some db performance issues |
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| 20:11.02 | smimp | the docs for gparted dont seem to say anything about it |
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| 20:12.18 | iShock | How do I do a speed test? :< |
| 20:12.26 | abrotman | speed of what? |
| 20:12.34 | iShock | Intarwebz |
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| 20:13.04 | abrotman | google "download speed test" ? |
| 20:13.39 | iShock | For a server? |
| 20:14.13 | abrotman | be a bit more specific then |
| 20:14.34 | iShock | How do I test my download speed for a server? |
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| 20:14.53 | abrotman | from the server? |
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| 20:15.07 | iShock | Yes .. |
| 20:15.13 | abrotman | using which version of linux? |
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| 20:15.39 | iShock | Debian etch |
| 20:16.10 | Spida | iShock: you choose a server, the client, the testobjekt, and make sure you know the environment (routing, traffic, ...) |
| 20:16.45 | iShock | That doesn't help Spida. |
| 20:17.21 | Spida | iShock: if you are trying to get a number, use wget on a file. |
| 20:17.29 | iShock | What file? |
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| 20:17.58 | Spida | iShock: but as I said, there are other things to consinder |
| 20:17.59 | Firefishe | I'm running lenny, 2.6.26-1-686. Issue: Web browser takes a long time to load. IRC under 1 sec lag. Browsing sometimes times out, reloading page usually solves problem, and page then loads fast. Here's my ethernet controller info.: http://rafb.net/p/a6PZZc98.html |
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| 20:18.25 | Firefishe | hi iShock |
| 20:18.32 | iShock | Hey Fire |
| 20:18.39 | Spida | iShock: a file that you can download |
| 20:19.06 | onetinsoldier | iShock: wget can get entire websites if i'mnot mistaken |
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| 20:19.29 | Spida | iShock: if you want to measure the speed of the download, you need to know the size of the file and the time it takes to download. |
| 20:19.46 | Spida | onetinsoldier: CAN, if using -r |
| 20:19.57 | onetinsoldier | iShock: so even if the server is not a file server, if it has web pages you canuse wget to download web pages or the whole site |
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| 20:20.25 | abrotman | how about one person help him at a time |
| 20:20.31 | enouf | iShock: open 3-5 xterms, run wget on fast servers in each one .. concurrently |
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| 20:20.44 | abrotman | and enouf isn't helping at all ... |
| 20:20.55 | Firefishe | hey abrotman |
| 20:20.59 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:21.03 | Spida | iShock: what do you want to find out? |
| 20:21.09 | enouf | eh? |
| 20:21.12 | iShock | How fast my download is, that's all :< |
| 20:21.21 | enouf | i told you |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | enouf: AFAICT .. he wants to test his server |
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| 20:21.56 | Spida | iShock: your download? which download? from your server? or the capacity of your internet-connection? |
| 20:22.05 | iShock | From my server |
| 20:22.15 | enouf | Firefishe: which "web browser"? |
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| 20:22.43 | enouf | Firefishe: try other ones ... irc lag is nothing you can do anything about - unless it's caused by system suckage |
| 20:22.54 | onetinsoldier | iShock: when downloading.. you can use the utility 'iptaf' to see the speed.. itpraf rox! |
| 20:23.02 | abrotman | how about one person help him at a time |
| 20:23.09 | onetinsoldier | i highly recommend iptraf |
| 20:23.11 | abrotman | you're all telling him different things |
| 20:23.23 | cahoot | I might join |
| 20:23.27 | abrotman | and i'm guessing iShock's first language isn't english |
| 20:23.30 | enouf | uh oh .. abrotty is in robotty mode :-P |
| 20:23.31 | iShock | It is .. |
| 20:23.38 | abrotman | sighs ... |
| 20:23.41 | onetinsoldier | wget and iptraf is all he will probably need, imo |
| 20:23.47 | abrotman | wget is all he needs |
| 20:23.49 | Spida | onetinsoldier: and iptraf can distinguish between payload an overheadß |
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| 20:23.55 | enouf | iShock: install Windows Vista :-P |
| 20:24.07 | Firefishe | abrotman: Care to help with an ethernet issue? |
| 20:24.09 | Spida | .oO(that dowsn't help either) |
| 20:24.11 | iShock | Install Vista on a server .. Yeah, that works .. |
| 20:24.17 | onetinsoldier | Spida: roger that! |
| 20:24.31 | jelly-home | iShock: server 2008 then! |
| 20:24.34 | abrotman | Firefishe: enouf asked if you tried other browsers |
| 20:24.46 | Firefishe | abrotman: very well then |
| 20:25.04 | xingu | notes that the problem description isn't refined enough to answer |
| 20:25.23 | abrotman | he wants to test the bandwidth speed of his server .. |
| 20:25.26 | Spida | thats why I keep asking questions. |
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| 20:25.29 | enouf | glances over at his superfine _____ ;-) |
| 20:26.34 | Firefishe | enouf: Yes, I've tried other browsers..on two different distros. It's all the same. I type in the address, the page takes a long time to load, and often times out. Reloading usually, though not always, causes the page to be loaded quickly, as it should. I have no lag with IRC, so I'm wondering if there's a problem with how the browsers are accessing the 'net. |
| 20:27.05 | Firefishe | I'm using stock Firefox |
| 20:27.11 | Firefishe | not iceweasel |
| 20:27.16 | enouf | Firefishe: and it's the same across ALL browsers you tried? |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | Firefishe: does your ISP have a proxy ? |
| 20:27.25 | enouf | Firefishe: that's ONE browser |
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| 20:27.37 | Firefishe | epiphany works the same |
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| 20:27.52 | enouf | thats STILL ONE browser :-P |
| 20:27.58 | xingu | bing's pretty good at working out the effective bandwidth of a given path |
| 20:28.00 | enouf | same friggin engine under the hood |
| 20:28.00 | abrotman | there is epiphany-webkit |
| 20:28.06 | abrotman | and he didn't specify |
| 20:28.07 | \amethyst | er? |
| 20:28.13 | enouf | try links2 Firefishe |
| 20:28.26 | \amethyst | epiphany-gecko uses the same renderer as firefox, but does it really use the same networking engine? |
| 20:28.58 | Firefishe | abrotman: I don't know exactly..my ISP is kind of weird. It's a 2.4GHz wireless link-up through a big square antenna on the side of the house. |
| 20:29.08 | enouf | well .. why would it not? |
| 20:29.26 | abrotman | enouf: you can't say for certain it does |
| 20:29.40 | enouf | Firefishe: does wget d/l at your anticipated speed? |
| 20:29.58 | abrotman | his question wasn't about speed of download ... |
| 20:29.59 | enouf | abrotman: by engine, i did mean renderer .. but whatever |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | he's having network issues .. |
| 20:30.22 | abrotman | <Firefishe> I'm running lenny, 2.6.26-1-686. Issue: Web browser takes a long time to load. IRC under 1 sec lag. Browsing sometimes times out, reloading page usually solves problem, and page then loads fast. Here's my ethernet controller info.: http://rafb.net/p/a6PZZc98.html |
| 20:30.24 | enouf | bad choice of words on my part .. but have tried both, ... and they both SUCK ASS |
| 20:30.32 | enouf | for whatever their reasons |
| 20:30.48 | Firefishe | enouf: I do get some initial download startup lag when using apt-get and the like, so the problem, to me, is a low-level networking issue...although I do follow how a proxy would be laggy. |
| 20:30.48 | enouf | no he isn't |
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| 20:31.00 | enouf | that's his assessment of the issue |
| 20:32.21 | abrotman | enouf: so what's your assessment? what is his real issue? |
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| 20:32.29 | enouf | Firefishe: lately, even my apt-cache search .. are really really dog-assed slow - and while totally unrelated to your issue, i have no explanation yet |
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| 20:32.45 | abrotman | apt-cache search doesnt' even use network |
| 20:32.50 | sortilege | plop tlm |
| 20:32.51 | Firefishe | abrotman: Should I just call them up and ask if they're using a proxy? It could well be, as the connection is set up specifically for each tranceiver/antenna unit. |
| 20:33.02 | enouf | abrotman: when i'm ready to make one, you'll be the 1st to know |
| 20:33.09 | enouf | abrotman: you obviously cannot read today |
| 20:33.11 | stoned | enouf, yo |
| 20:33.20 | xingu | Firefishe: park a packet capture somewhere - if you're quick about it I'll be able to take a look; "sudo tcpdump -w /var/tmp/tcpdump.cap -i eth0" |
| 20:33.31 | enouf | stoned: whas up whitey? |
| 20:33.33 | enouf | :-) |
| 20:33.39 | abrotman | enouf: that's not funny .. |
| 20:33.46 | stoned | just bought a dev machine |
| 20:33.47 | enouf | what? |
| 20:33.49 | stoned | I don't mind |
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| 20:33.54 | stoned | he can call me whitey |
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| 20:33.58 | Firefishe | xingu: Just run the command? |
| 20:33.58 | abrotman | we just kickbanned someone else for the same .. |
| 20:34.10 | stoned | he was doing is maliciously |
| 20:34.13 | xingu | Firefishe: nb, this will capture everything that interface can see (ie, will reveal non encrypted data to whoever gets to see /var/tmp/tcpdump.cap) |
| 20:34.14 | stoned | this is a friend to a friend |
| 20:34.18 | stoned | but whatever you're right |
| 20:34.20 | abrotman | then take it to msg |
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| 20:34.27 | stoned | yeh take it to msg |
| 20:34.33 | xingu | Firefishe: yes; then restart your browser and browse until the problem occurs |
| 20:34.35 | enouf | stoned: fyi - whitey is a positive connotation, when i say it ... ffs |
| 20:34.43 | stoned | enouf, i know man, its all good |
| 20:34.43 | xingu | Firefishe: then ^C the tcpdump and put it somewhere for download |
| 20:34.47 | abrotman | enouf: STOP |
| 20:34.57 | stoned | enouf, he needs an excuse |
| 20:34.59 | stoned | don't give him one. |
| 20:35.00 | Firefishe | xingu..I'll pastebin it. |
| 20:35.04 | enouf | stoned: too many people sticking their fucken noses where they don't belong |
| 20:35.09 | enouf | abrotman: stfu |
| 20:35.14 | stoned | enouf, selective ignorance is bliss |
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| 20:35.36 | xingu | Firefishe: it'll be a binary file (/var/tmp/tcpdump.cap) - it's better if you can put the whole file somewhere to download. |
| 20:35.51 | abrotman | enouf: it was a slur, and i asked you to msg each other. 10 minute time out |
| 20:36.04 | stoned | hm |
| 20:36.09 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 20:36.16 | stoned | back to php-gtk i go |
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| 20:36.32 | jpinx | atilla the hun rools |
| 20:36.34 | stoned | actually someone said glade was dead and they have a replacement called gtkdesigner |
| 20:36.46 | Firefishe | running now |
| 20:36.47 | stoned | I wonder whats that all about |
| 20:36.56 | abrotman | stoned: there's another one called uhm .. gazpacho IIRC but i can't recall the exact name |
| 20:36.56 | Firefishe | xingu: running now. |
| 20:37.08 | stoned | hm |
| 20:37.18 | abrotman | !info gazpacho |
| 20:37.40 | jelly-home | yum. |
| 20:37.48 | dpkg | gazpacho: (GTK+ User Interface Designer), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.7.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 510 kB, Installed size: 2056 kB |
| 20:37.53 | stoned | http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/Gazpacho |
| 20:37.57 | stoned | cool |
| 20:38.21 | simonrvn | doesn't gazpacho use glade? |
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| 20:38.35 | stoned | Gazpacho is based on Glade-3 but it's rewritten in Python |
| 20:38.54 | abrotman | it's gotta be better than glade |
| 20:39.04 | stoned | It also has a slightly different user interface. |
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| 20:39.30 | stoned | hm |
| 20:39.31 | perlsyntax | Has anyone try to get python 2.6 working? |
| 20:39.37 | stoned | I wonder what would be better |
| 20:39.54 | perlsyntax | has anyone try? |
| 20:39.57 | stoned | to leave the signals in the glade file or manually connect them to functions using php-gtk methods |
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| 20:40.19 | perlsyntax | anyone? |
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| 20:40.39 | stoned | I guess to keep the glade ui be able to be used with multiple gtk extentions in multipl languages it woulbe better to leave the glade alone |
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| 20:41.25 | stoned | I think the signals tags are php-gtk specific wtf is going on... /me read docs again |
| 20:41.33 | perlsyntax | ??? |
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| 20:41.38 | stoned | perlsyntax, I was gonna use python and gtk |
| 20:41.40 | stoned | but i dislike python |
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| 20:41.53 | stoned | I dunno why, I think I'm going with php-gtk2 and gtk#.net |
| 20:41.55 | perlsyntax | the python 2.6 |
| 20:42.23 | simonrvn | python's alright, but i hate the indentation thing... |
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| 20:42.34 | simonrvn | s/hate/dislike/ |
| 20:42.38 | perlsyntax | stoned, all i want to know if the package are all upset for python 2.6? |
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| 20:42.49 | stoned | setup*? |
| 20:42.55 | stoned | I have no idea man |
| 20:42.59 | stoned | I'm not the right person to be asking this |
| 20:43.00 | stoned | :) |
| 20:43.01 | perlsyntax | i just want to know before i download it. |
| 20:43.15 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:44.43 | Firefishe | xingu: Just ^c'd tcpdump. Here's some generic output: http://rafb.net/p/DGih7111.html I'm working on the download situation. Can you receive files? |
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| 20:45.02 | xingu | Firefishe: not via dcc |
| 20:45.15 | xingu | Firefishe: http/ftp is good |
| 20:45.34 | abrotman | or use paste.debian.net |
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| 20:46.11 | adb | useig 7z for compress ~ 132 MB , on @450 MHZ , w/ 192 MB ram take more than 1h for 11%, it is known normal ? |
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| 20:46.43 | ayoub | hello everybody |
| 20:47.05 | Firefishe | xingu: I'm looking for solutions for download, but my browser is loading so slow, I think it may be a bit ;) |
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| 20:47.23 | ayoub | do you have an idea about connecting to checkpoint secure remote vpn using linux client ? |
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| 20:48.31 | xingu | Firefishe: while we're waiting I can do some rudimentary stuff with a pastebin of the output from "tcpdump -nvvr /var/tmp/tcpdump.cap" |
| 20:48.53 | Firefishe | xingu: k...I'll do that now |
| 20:48.57 | bhundven | !dbugs 502235 |
| 20:49.01 | dpkg | #502235:W[wnpp] RFP: python2.6 -- An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.6) (); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:36:02 UTC [] |
| 20:49.04 | xingu | ayoub: from memory securemote is a perverse form of ipsec that gets less so around fw1 v4.1 or thereabouts |
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| 20:49.55 | xingu | ayoub: the fw1 support network was _very_ good back in the day; iirc if you have a valid license you also have a support entitlement |
| 20:49.58 | assmonkey | ow mommy |
| 20:49.59 | assmonkey | i got butthurt |
| 20:50.05 | assmonkey | dont spank me jew mommy |
| 20:50.08 | assmonkey | i suck cocks lulz |
| 20:50.13 | assmonkey | borotman |
| 20:50.14 | assmonkey | bloatman |
| 20:50.16 | assmonkey | lulz |
| 20:50.21 | ross`_ | can someone get rid of this creep |
| 20:50.25 | assmonkey | whining |
| 20:50.27 | assmonkey | jew is whining ^ |
| 20:50.31 | assmonkey | RAGE STARTS HERE |
| 20:50.35 | assmonkey | cry moar k? |
| 20:50.40 | ayoub | xingu: i want to use a linux free client to connect to checkpoint network at work |
| 20:50.44 | assmonkey | boratman sucks ass dongs |
| 20:50.45 | assmonkey | lulz |
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| 20:51.04 | ross`_ | abrotman: thanks bro |
| 20:51.05 | ross`_ | :0 |
| 20:51.07 | stoned | gazpacho is nice |
| 20:51.21 | xingu | ayoub: yes, and if I recall correctly the checkpoint knowledgebase contains the necessary detail |
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| 20:52.20 | Firefishe | xingu: pasting now |
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| 20:53.20 | ayoub | xingu: so what can i do exactly ? please give me more details if possible |
| 20:53.29 | onetinsoldier | no one uses #flood anymore? hehe |
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| 20:53.41 | butterfish | ow mommy |
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| 20:53.47 | onetinsoldier | ahh, the good 'ole days |
| 20:53.50 | abrotman | thanks staff! |
| 20:53.50 | bhundven | heh. ouch |
| 20:54.01 | xingu | ayoub: I no longer work in the area - talk to your checkpoint reseller |
| 20:54.30 | ayoub | xingu: ok. Do you know about entrust ? |
| 20:54.37 | Firefishe | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/22592/ |
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| 20:55.42 | Firefishe | abrotman: If I use the Browse button on paste.debian.net, and select the tcpdump.cap binary xingu needs, will it actually upload it in binary mode? |
| 20:56.06 | abrotman | Firefishe: i'd imagine so, but not sure how well he can get that out then |
| 20:56.29 | Firefishe | abrotman: I understand. Is there a way I can extract the textual data from the binary? |
| 20:56.40 | Firefishe | or view it? |
| 20:56.49 | simonrvn | onetinsoldier: not much, no. |
| 20:56.57 | bhundven | stoned: gazpacho... nice. maybe they should stop using glade with blueman (http://blueman.tuxfamily.org/) and use gazpacho instead. |
| 20:57.03 | simonrvn | is still in #flood ... |
| 20:57.15 | stoned | blueman |
| 20:57.19 | stoned | I like blueman |
| 20:57.21 | stoned | group |
| 20:57.25 | bhundven | hehe |
| 20:57.26 | stoned | :D |
| 20:57.37 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: roger that... understandable. |
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| 20:57.53 | simonrvn | Firefishe: strings foo | less maybe ? ;) |
| 20:58.03 | xingu | Firefishe: it's the actual packet dump I need - the analysis is much easier if I can throw this into a suitable tool (wireshark) |
| 20:58.06 | simonrvn | Firefishe: oh nm that |
| 20:58.20 | simonrvn | a pcap file |
| 20:58.35 | sladi | Where can I find examples on how to search with Aptitude (eg find all installed, which aren't automatic and from main)? |
| 20:58.42 | Firefishe | xingu: let me suggest this, I'll need some help for it: Can I set up a quick and dirty ftp server that you can log in to? |
| 20:58.43 | xingu | Firefishe: there's no substitute for the file - do you have webspace on your isp? feel free to /msg me |
| 20:58.57 | xingu | Firefishe: yep or even a quick/dirty webserver |
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| 21:01.05 | vigge_sWe | Hello, if I have a question about Cron, where should I ask it? |
| 21:01.26 | abrotman | here is fine |
| 21:01.36 | vigge_sWe | What's wrong with "*/10 * * * * /kunden/homepages/35/d264045048/htdocs/status/renew.php"? |
| 21:01.42 | vigge_sWe | I want it to run every 10 min |
| 21:02.02 | abrotman | what user is it running as ? |
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| 21:02.25 | vigge_sWe | idk, I run it on my host, they told to use something like that but it isn't working |
| 21:02.32 | EgS | vigge_sWe: that .php file isn't executable I guess... and most likely it doesn't have a shebang line either |
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| 21:02.38 | EgS | you probably want to call the php interpreter yourself |
| 21:02.46 | EgS | and pass that php file to it |
| 21:02.54 | abrotman | it could be a script with #!/bin/php at the top .. |
| 21:03.08 | jelly-home | it seldom is though |
| 21:03.19 | EgS | abrotman: yes that's what I meant with the shebang line... but I doubt it |
| 21:03.20 | vigge_sWe | aahhh, because I am doing a cache thing, It's for a server check tool, and it takes awful lot of time to update it, so I thought I should run a cron |
| 21:03.40 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: is the script executable? |
| 21:03.42 | abrotman | but normally it is sometihng like * * * * * user command |
| 21:04.22 | vigge_sWe | Well, when I run it from my browser, all it does is to update the servercheck, show the info, put all info in a cache file, and then another page is showing the cache file |
| 21:04.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: user crontabs don't get the "user" part. the syntax looks sound |
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| 21:04.49 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: please answer the question |
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| 21:04.54 | abrotman | he didn't say it was a user cron tab .. but whatever |
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| 21:05.18 | vigge_sWe | what do you mean by executable? |
| 21:05.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's a webhosting machine... I assume user rather than /etc/cron.*/ |
| 21:05.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: he could be using /etc/crontab which does have a user |
| 21:05.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: ah ffs! |
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| 21:05.49 | simonrvn | vigge_sWe: as in "it runs" |
| 21:05.56 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: ls -ld /kunden/homepages/35/d264045048/htdocs/status/renew.php |
| 21:05.58 | simonrvn | has x flags on it |
| 21:06.10 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: i mean, the permissions on the file |
| 21:06.13 | vigge_sWe | ah |
| 21:06.26 | vigge_sWe | I'll check |
| 21:06.30 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: can you run it as it is from an interactive shell? |
| 21:06.42 | vigge_sWe | is 644 too little? |
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| 21:07.06 | vigge_sWe | it should be 755, right? |
| 21:07.16 | bjorkBSD | in debian is there a configurator like sysinstall? |
| 21:07.21 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: if you want to use it as a !# script, yes |
| 21:08.03 | vigge_sWe | so now I should just add #!/bin/php at the top of the script? |
| 21:08.05 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: which version of debian are you using? |
| 21:08.18 | vigge_sWe | idk, is there a ssh command for it? |
| 21:08.30 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: uname -a |
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| 21:08.46 | vigge_sWe | Linux infong250 2.6.24-20080930a-grsec-mem-grsec #1 SMP Tue Sep 30 13:58:08 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:09.16 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:09.35 | vigge_sWe | dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: Permission denied |
| 21:09.37 | EgS | vigge_sWe: /usr/local/bin/php |
| 21:09.42 | simonrvn | bjorkBSD: configure-debian would be the closest |
| 21:09.56 | abrotman | EgS: thats' not where the php binary lives |
| 21:10.03 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: #!/usr/bin/php is more likely... find out where's your command-line php interpreter located |
| 21:10.10 | abrotman | it should be #!/usr/bin/php |
| 21:10.16 | EgS | abrotman: I have a gut feeling that this is a 1&1 shared webhosting box... |
| 21:10.19 | abrotman | php5-cgi package should help |
| 21:10.24 | vigge_sWe | yep, 1&1 |
| 21:10.26 | abrotman | EgS: they compile their own PHP ? |
| 21:10.27 | jelly-home | abrotman: webhosting providers often have own php |
| 21:10.32 | abrotman | weirdos! |
| 21:10.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: debian's is crap |
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| 21:10.48 | EgS | vigge_sWe: well then it's /usr/local/bin/php |
| 21:10.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: better than having to update a bajillion servers |
| 21:11.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's missing functionality |
| 21:11.30 | abrotman | depends what functionality you need :) |
| 21:11.33 | vigge_sWe | should it be inside the <?php tags, or just at the top? |
| 21:11.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: and updating from debian or from a local repo is pretty much the same |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: above the <? |
| 21:11.54 | vigge_sWe | ok |
| 21:12.09 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: at the shell prompt .. type `which php` .. and see what it says |
| 21:12.10 | EgS | vigge_sWe: you can also change your crontab entry to somethin like */10 * * * * /usr/local/bin/php /kunden/homepages/35/d264045048/htdocs/status/renew.php |
| 21:12.29 | simonrvn | a hash bang is always at the top, though i've seen intepreters process subsequent ones... |
| 21:12.35 | jelly-home | EgS: let's figure out where his interpreter really is first |
| 21:12.37 | vigge_sWe | yeh it says /usr/local/bin/php |
| 21:12.55 | EgS | jelly-home: told ya :P |
| 21:13.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm not sure about that .... but i assume they would have some sort of mass system control system .. so it'd be the same for either i guess |
| 21:13.14 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: does the script do what's it supposed to, if you run "/usr/local/bin/php /kunden/homepages/35/d264045048/htdocs/status/renew.php" from the shell? |
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| 21:13.41 | onetinsoldier | vigge_sWe: i don't know that this matters anymore, but if you want to try to find out what version of debian you are using you can try cat/etc/debian_version |
| 21:13.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: I know we don't, but since it's not me having to update the machines, making them use packages is very low on the priority list |
| 21:14.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:14.29 | vigge_sWe | jelly-home, yes it does what it should |
| 21:14.36 | onetinsoldier | vigge_sWe: sorry.. left out a space there.. needs a scpace after the cat command |
| 21:14.57 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: great, so you can use that in crontab, too. No need for executable permissions then |
| 21:15.27 | jelly-home | vigge_sWe: or the !# bit |
| 21:16.15 | vigge_sWe | we'll see if it works in 10 mins |
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| 21:24.35 | iShock | Does debian have some sort of quick setup for a server to install stuff like apache etc? |
| 21:24.58 | ross`_ | iShock: #!/bin/bash is your friend |
| 21:24.59 | ross`_ | :) |
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| 21:25.30 | ross`_ | can someone tell me how to run locate but exclude everything in /root/* |
| 21:26.34 | abrotman | iShock: aptitude install apache2 |
| 21:26.46 | abrotman | iShock: what does `uname -a` say ? |
| 21:27.05 | iShock | I know apache, but I can't think what I'm missing .. apache2 php5-cli php5-mysql |
| 21:27.07 | ross`_ | abrotman: how do i run locate and exclude directoryies |
| 21:27.19 | abrotman | you mean updatedb ? |
| 21:27.21 | abrotman | iShock: what does `uname -a` say ? |
| 21:27.24 | ross`_ | no.. |
| 21:27.29 | abrotman | ross`_: grep -v |
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| 21:27.38 | iShock | Linux Vertex 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 13 16:13:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:27.43 | ross`_ | ok so |
| 21:27.56 | ross`_ | locate vmware|grep -v /root |
| 21:27.57 | ross`_ | ? |
| 21:28.02 | vigge_sWe | It works, thank you :D |
| 21:28.04 | abrotman | that's one way |
| 21:28.07 | vigge_sWe | Bye |
| 21:28.08 | ross`_ | ok |
| 21:28.22 | ross`_ | thanks |
| 21:28.23 | ross`_ | that works |
| 21:28.44 | Firefishe | abrotman: thanks for your help earlier...xingu's gonna look at the file and I'm going to consult my isp. |
| 21:29.41 | abrotman | Firefishe: just make sure you try a non-gecko browser like knoquerer or epiphany-webkit .. or opera even |
| 21:29.46 | abrotman | or amaya |
| 21:30.00 | jelly-home | *snort* |
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| 21:30.06 | jelly-home | he said... amaya :-) |
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| 21:30.22 | Firefishe | I'd have to install kde for konqueror, and I don't have the bandwidth right now ;) |
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| 21:30.36 | Firefishe | much as I"d like to...I usually use kde |
| 21:30.44 | ross`_ | abrotman: can you -b 67.52.47.69 |
| 21:30.47 | abrotman | Firefishe: epiphany-webkit |
| 21:30.51 | abrotman | ross`_: eh who ? |
| 21:30.53 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:31.04 | abrotman | ross`_: why? |
| 21:31.06 | ross`_ | thats my main ip |
| 21:31.15 | ross`_ | i was muted awile back |
| 21:31.17 | ross`_ | i cant talk in here |
| 21:31.20 | ross`_ | with ross`- |
| 21:31.23 | ross`_ | with ross`* |
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| 21:31.40 | iShock | So .. you're evading? |
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| 21:31.57 | ross`_ | more like, the mute was not deserved |
| 21:32.04 | ross`_ | someone was having a bad day |
| 21:32.09 | iShock | Doesn't matter. It was set, you're evading it. |
| 21:32.21 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: i'm just curious. what are you trying to work out with the tcpdump? whether you go through a proxy? |
| 21:32.27 | jelly-home | iShock: thank you Mr. Operator |
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| 21:32.58 | abrotman | ross`_: that was set like . six months ago |
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| 21:33.11 | Polarina | How do I check if a ELF binary is x86_64 or x86? |
| 21:33.16 | abrotman | file |
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| 21:33.38 | Polarina | Thank you. |
| 21:33.46 | ross`_ | abrotman: well, can it be unmuted |
| 21:33.47 | ross`_ | please :p |
| 21:34.24 | ross`_ | iShock: just because someone is having a bad day doesnt justify banning someone |
| 21:34.32 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I'm having issues with my ethernet being slow to load pages on the browser side. I'm in the process of testing some other browsers at the moment. I'm thinking it could be my RealTek (r8169 module), but I am still working things out. |
| 21:34.38 | abrotman | the person that banned you is pretty fair about bannings |
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| 21:34.58 | iShock | abrotman, isn't it still evading if he's using a different IP to get around it? |
| 21:35.05 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: roger.. i caught some of what was going on earlier, but perhaps not quite all of it. |
| 21:35.17 | ross`_ | iShock: yea evading, but the reason for the ban was completel nonsense |
| 21:35.32 | iShock | It's still a ban, no matter the reason it was set. |
| 21:35.35 | Firefishe | onetin...scroll up if you have the buffer. If you're interested in details, pm me. |
| 21:35.40 | iShock | There is NEVER an excuse for evasion. |
| 21:35.45 | ross`_ | -_- this isnt a private group channel dude |
| 21:35.46 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: roger |
| 21:35.49 | ross`_ | this is a public help channel |
| 21:36.00 | Firefishe | *sigh* |
| 21:36.00 | ross`_ | bans should be for reasons liek spamming, trolling, etc |
| 21:36.02 | amphi | iShock: tax? |
| 21:36.04 | ross`_ | not because one is having a bad day |
| 21:36.18 | Firefishe | brb |
| 21:36.24 | iShock | Never! |
| 21:37.43 | simonrvn | roger roger |
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| 21:38.38 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, tab completion in bash isn't working for me. Any suggestions what might be up? |
| 21:39.07 | zigovr3 | hi all, is there a way to view messages of the init script (in particular, services going up ,etc ... ) I have some errors , but they disapear out of the booting text console too quickly |
| 21:39.52 | zigovr3 | they don't seem to be logged (which is not completely surprising since init start before even /var/log is mounted) |
| 21:39.54 | ComradeHaz | they'll be in your logs somewhere /var/log/«somelog» |
| 21:40.01 | ComradeHaz | probably syslog |
| 21:40.06 | ComradeHaz | not totally sure |
| 21:40.10 | zigovr3 | no I don't have them in syslog |
| 21:40.12 | simonrvn | zigovr3: enable bootlogd |
| 21:40.15 | ross`_ | after updating linux-headers |
| 21:40.17 | onetinsoldier | ComradeHaz: sounds like it might be an eviroment variable problem? |
| 21:40.18 | ross`_ | do i need to restart my system |
| 21:40.19 | ross`_ | or no |
| 21:40.27 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
| 21:40.33 | zigovr3 | simonrvn: interesting, how is that enabled ? |
| 21:40.44 | simonrvn | /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:40.52 | zigovr3 | ok thanks, I'm going to look into that |
| 21:40.54 | simonrvn | no, wait, bootlogd |
| 21:41.11 | simonrvn | lemme check which file it is, first |
| 21:41.16 | zigovr3 | ok :) |
| 21:41.26 | simonrvn | yeh, the latter file |
| 21:41.42 | zigovr3 | you said bootlogd both time :) |
| 21:41.59 | onetinsoldier | ComradeHaz: try echo "$BASH_VERSION" just to make sure no problem there |
| 21:42.06 | ComradeHaz | [21:41:08] <onetinsoldier> ComradeHaz: sounds like it might be an eviroment variable problem? «----- nope just switched to tty2, not working there either |
| 21:42.21 | simonrvn | simonrvn> /etc/default/rcS simonrvn> no, wait, bootlogd # i didn't |
| 21:42.33 | ComradeHaz | 3.2.39(1) |
| 21:42.44 | Firefishe | Is switching to file-rc worthwhile? |
| 21:43.00 | simonrvn | Firefishe: FSOV worthwhile |
| 21:43.02 | onetinsoldier | ComradeHaz: roger. i am just guessing atm. hopefully someone who 'knows' will come along |
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| 21:43.26 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: did you install the bash-completion package |
| 21:43.27 | ComradeHaz | :) |
| 21:43.29 | simonrvn | er, FSVO even |
| 21:43.37 | ComradeHaz | uh?! |
| 21:43.41 | Firefishe | fsov? sorry, my acronymmic abbreviatory allusions are comprehensively conundrummic. |
| 21:43.41 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 21:43.42 | ComradeHaz | no |
| 21:43.49 | ComradeHaz | But I never have before?! |
| 21:43.53 | simonrvn | !fsvo |
| 21:43.54 | dpkg | fsvo is, like, For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 21:44.04 | Firefishe | ah |
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| 21:44.13 | ComradeHaz | what's the completion package? |
| 21:44.21 | stoned | bash-completion |
| 21:44.23 | simonrvn | bash_completion ;) |
| 21:44.25 | Firefishe | so really, just depends...won't hurt my system if I try it, will it? |
| 21:44.30 | stoned | apt-cache search completion |
| 21:44.32 | simonrvn | s/_/-/ |
| 21:44.42 | simonrvn | the file is _ |
| 21:44.51 | ComradeHaz | but is it normally installed by default |
| 21:44.52 | Firefishe | one file makes a lot of sense to me, but I don't want to nuke anything...not that this system isn't nuked already ;) |
| 21:44.54 | onetinsoldier | wow, i'll be damned. there is such a package |
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| 21:45.00 | ComradeHaz | I have 4 other debian machines |
| 21:45.02 | onetinsoldier | it's a new one on me too |
| 21:45.05 | ComradeHaz | never had this on any of them |
| 21:45.07 | LooieENG | which is the best mailserver for Debian? |
| 21:45.21 | stoned | exim, postfix, dare i say sendmail? |
| 21:45.25 | Firefishe | there's a .deb package named _ ?? |
| 21:45.27 | simonrvn | LooieENG: whichever mta you want |
| 21:45.29 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 21:45.31 | stoned | Firefishe, yes |
| 21:45.32 | ComradeHaz | it's an add on |
| 21:45.35 | stoned | Firefishe, there is a debian package named _ |
| 21:45.45 | onetinsoldier | thinks abrotman is a walking talking database |
| 21:45.46 | ComradeHaz | so abrotman are you suggesting I should install it? |
| 21:45.57 | ComradeHaz | or were you guessing maybe that's what broke it? |
| 21:46.11 | zigovr3 | simonrvn: I don't seem to have /sbin/bootlogd, which package does provide it ? |
| 21:46.11 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: you haven't said what kind of bash completion you want? |
| 21:46.11 | abrotman | or did i miss it ? |
| 21:46.19 | ComradeHaz | just the standard |
| 21:46.26 | ComradeHaz | what one would normally expecy |
| 21:46.31 | ComradeHaz | *expect |
| 21:46.39 | ComradeHaz | I get none at the moment |
| 21:46.40 | Kobaz | what's the preferred music player these days... xmms is nice but hasn't been worked on in years |
| 21:46.48 | simonrvn | zigovr3: um, you do. it's in initscripts ... |
| 21:46.50 | stoned | Kobaz, I use amarok |
| 21:46.52 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: so if you hit 'bas<tab><tab>' ? |
| 21:46.53 | ComradeHaz | amarok? |
| 21:46.54 | stoned | its more than a player actually |
| 21:46.58 | iShock | Can I force wget to follow redirects and stuff until it hits a .zip? |
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| 21:47.06 | LooieENG | okay, simonrvn. which mail server is fastest and lightest on resources? I only need it for sending mail with PHP |
| 21:47.16 | abrotman | postfix or exim |
| 21:47.19 | stoned | if you need strictly a player then plenty of thsoe, if you need library features you have exaile, quodlibet, amarok |
| 21:47.22 | simonrvn | zigovr3: the /etc/default file is anyway. |
| 21:47.23 | \amethyst | outgoing only? |
| 21:47.27 | abrotman | or use something like ssmtp if you only need outgoing |
| 21:47.29 | Firefishe | Kobaz: that is as personal as one can be. amarok is nice (buggy in some distros I find). rhythmbox is stable and quite affable. I still like xmms. xmm2 is good if you want to play around with it. |
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| 21:47.32 | Kobaz | stoned: mmm |
| 21:47.34 | ComradeHaz | ooh |
| 21:47.37 | Kobaz | Firefishe: yeah i know |
| 21:47.40 | simonrvn | LooieENG: what abrotman said |
| 21:47.46 | Kobaz | Firefishe: just wondering what people use |
| 21:47.48 | stoned | check out songbird |
| 21:47.48 | stoned | :) |
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| 21:47.56 | stoned | its build on top of firefux |
| 21:47.58 | ComradeHaz | sorry abrotman, I've missed something important. It works unless I'm sudoing the command |
| 21:47.59 | stoned | ocx |
| 21:48.00 | stoned | fox |
| 21:48.01 | LooieENG | okay, thank you both |
| 21:48.28 | ComradeHaz | didn't realise that as most of what I'm doing is sudostuff as it's a new install |
| 21:48.35 | zigovr3 | simonrvn: yes I have the /etc/default/bootlogd file, but not the /sbin/bootlogd, could you a "dpkg -S /sbin/bootlogd" for me please ? |
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| 21:48.44 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: sounds quite possible |
| 21:48.55 | ComradeHaz | so, I guess that would suggest the problem lies with sudo? |
| 21:49.01 | simonrvn | zigovr3: lemme check on the debian partition, i'm on ubuntu right now |
| 21:49.09 | stoned | WHAT!! |
| 21:49.16 | zigovr3 | simonrvn: actually, I am also on ubuntu right now :) |
| 21:49.18 | abrotman | it's a parameter to sudo .. not a command ? |
| 21:49.18 | stoned | simonrvn, !!! |
| 21:49.37 | simonrvn | zigovr3: then you're in the wrong channel |
| 21:49.41 | stoned | simonrvn, hehe, you are making it difficult to be your buddy now ;) |
| 21:49.42 | ComradeHaz | so, if I type: 'sudo bas<tab><tab>' nothing happens. |
| 21:49.52 | ComradeHaz | if I type: 'bas<tab><tab>' I get what one would expect |
| 21:50.01 | zigovr3 | yeah sorry about that, but they didn't seem to know on #ubuntu |
| 21:50.20 | simonrvn | zigovr3: it's in sysv-rc |
| 21:50.22 | abrotman | try ##linux then |
| 21:50.24 | iShock | Can I force wget to follow redirects and stuff until it hits a .zip? |
| 21:50.42 | ComradeHaz | [21:50:10] <abrotman> it's a parameter to sudo .. not a command «--- well, yeah, I guess it is. although it would normally work. |
| 21:50.45 | simonrvn | or probably in sysvinit |
| 21:50.56 | avu | iShock, wget follows http redirects by default |
| 21:51.05 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: doesn't work for me here |
| 21:51.10 | ComradeHaz | wtf? |
| 21:51.16 | abrotman | wtf wtf |
| 21:51.20 | ComradeHaz | it works on this machine |
| 21:51.23 | RichiH | wtf wtf wtf |
| 21:51.23 | iShock | avu, http://mybboard.net/download/latest tries to download 'lastest' |
| 21:51.23 | iShock | Latest* |
| 21:51.30 | zigovr3 | simonrvn: ok, that looks like a quite dangerous package to install , it will probably replace the way inits are working |
| 21:51.32 | stoned | hey looky its richi |
| 21:51.38 | simonrvn | stoned: like that matters. |
| 21:51.40 | avu | iShock, well, then there is no redirect |
| 21:51.43 | stoned | haha |
| 21:51.48 | stoned | oooh burn! |
| 21:51.49 | simonrvn | zigovr3: not really, no. |
| 21:51.53 | stoned | simonrvn, 1, RichiH 0 |
| 21:51.56 | stoned | haha ;) |
| 21:51.58 | iShock | avu, how can I make it download mybb144.zip |
| 21:52.15 | abrotman | watches RichiH kline simonrvn :) |
| 21:52.18 | zigovr3 | simonrvn: well, it tries to remove things like "upstart" which seems quite important to boot up |
| 21:52.25 | avu | iShock, it does so here |
| 21:52.34 | iShock | With wget? |
| 21:52.35 | avu | iShock, only thing wrong is the name, not the actual contents of the file |
| 21:52.41 | simonrvn | zigovr3: upstart is another way to manage booting |
| 21:52.54 | ComradeHaz | hmm, this is most odd :S |
| 21:52.55 | avu | use -O if you really can't be bothered to rename it afterwards |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | zigovr3: please go to #ubuntu |
| 21:53.06 | RichiH | abrotman: i tell all new staffers that if they ever issue a vanity kline, i will fly to their place, rip their arms off and beat them to death with them, so no, i don't think so :p |
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| 21:53.18 | simonrvn | zigovr3: debian prefers to use something that works, like sysV ;). like i said, you're in the wrong channel to ask for support. |
| 21:53.20 | abrotman | RichiH: even in jest?! |
| 21:53.26 | stoned | RichiH, good man |
| 21:53.30 | lem0n | hmm... right now my local subnet is 192.168.1.0/24, im going to be changing it to 10.0.0.0/24, i can safely change the IP of one of the servers here from 192.168.1.xxx to 10.0.0.xxx first, then change the routers IP/subnet, right? The problem being is this server isnt very easily accessable outside of SSH. |
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| 21:53.40 | zigovr3 | simonrvn, abrotman , true, thanks for the help anyway, see ya guys |
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| 21:53.42 | abrotman | RichiH: you mean the staffers don't have kline wars? :) |
| 21:53.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: ripping the arms off in jest ftw |
| 21:53.52 | tomaw | abrotman: note that RichiH's threat has no bearing to vanity klines placed by himself. |
| 21:53.56 | abrotman | gives jelly-home superglue |
| 21:53.57 | simonrvn | is puzzled as to why people think he was talking to RichiH |
| 21:54.02 | abrotman | tomaw: heh |
| 21:54.03 | ComradeHaz | oi! Offtopic! :p |
| 21:54.05 | Firefishe | I notice that I get a 'rather overt warning of doing something potentially harmful to my system (rowodsphtms for the uneducated ;>), when I apt-get install file-rc...will this destroy my running system to the point of this being ill-conceived? |
| 21:54.09 | tomaw | hides |
| 21:54.16 | Firefishe | or shall I just do it and take whatever I get? ;) |
| 21:54.20 | RichiH | abrotman: let's put it this way: i was once offered an oper position on EFnet and had to fill out a questionaire. i had to look up the term 'vanity kill' so i could answer why they are bad |
| 21:54.21 | simonrvn | zigovr3: good luck |
| 21:54.41 | ComradeHaz | so are you guys out of ideas? |
| 21:54.43 | stoned | simonrvn, I think I maybe responsible for that, now that I look up, I think perhaps you meant that to me about Ubuntu and not RichiH |
| 21:54.44 | abrotman | RichiH: hehe |
| 21:54.47 | stoned | hah |
| 21:54.49 | simonrvn | Firefishe: no, it's to make sure you understand the implications. |
| 21:54.59 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: you can try to install the bash-completion package .. but not sure if that will help |
| 21:55.03 | simonrvn | stoned: yes, exactly what i meant. |
| 21:55.04 | abrotman | might even have to be configured |
| 21:55.07 | jelly-home | Firefishe: don't replace the rc method without good reason (or on an installation used for playing) |
| 21:55.15 | stoned | simonrvn, but I was also jesting |
| 21:55.19 | stoned | you use ubuntu?! |
| 21:55.25 | stoned | how come I haven't kicked your butt yet? |
| 21:55.27 | simonrvn | so was i :) |
| 21:55.28 | stoned | kinda jest |
| 21:55.29 | stoned | ;) |
| 21:55.55 | simonrvn | stoned: i'm booted to ubuntu ATM |
| 21:56.09 | stoned | I've got visual studio in a vmware and I'm working on a few apps |
| 21:56.13 | stoned | its slow as balls man |
| 21:56.21 | stoned | I think I'll just buy another machien for .net dvelopment |
| 21:56.23 | abrotman | wonders if efnet turned down RichiH's application |
| 21:56.25 | Firefishe | jelly-home: Well, there's nothing I can't afford to lose on this system. I can always reinstall it. |
| 21:56.30 | RichiH | abrotman: i never sent it off |
| 21:56.31 | jelly-home | Firefishe: you probably got the message because sysvinit package is marked Essential: yes |
| 21:56.37 | stoned | I wonder though |
| 21:56.41 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:56.51 | RichiH | abrotman: it would have been a secure spot, anyway |
| 21:57.05 | stoned | if I were to make applications in GTK+# in Monodevelop and build using Mono, would they run on say Windows XP or Vista? |
| 21:57.06 | Firefishe | jelly-home: Altough I was more interested in the technical implications of each, actually. |
| 21:57.19 | stoned | I mean all it would require would be the framework/runtime correct? |
| 21:57.27 | simonrvn | stoned: i don't bother much with vms right now, because i don't have a high powered box |
| 21:57.28 | Firefishe | preferably *before* I do something radical |
| 21:57.32 | stoned | or would it also require a gtk extention on windows? |
| 21:57.46 | stoned | if i can make .net software that runs on windows from within mono |
| 21:57.58 | stoned | I can live without visual studio but I must warn you, I am spoiled |
| 21:58.00 | simonrvn | Firefishe: file-rc is handy as hell, but there's a single point of failure - the file. |
| 21:58.01 | stoned | I like VS |
| 21:58.02 | stoned | :o |
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| 21:58.29 | Firefishe | simonrvn: ah, I can see the issue if one line is out of whack |
| 21:58.33 | jelly-home | Firefishe: I guess you want to play, then (and answer the Yes, do as I say question) |
| 21:58.33 | simonrvn | sysv-rc there isn't a single point of failure |
| 21:58.35 | abrotman | stoned: try monodevelop |
| 21:58.43 | stoned | abrotman, I am using it |
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| 21:59.06 | stoned | but I have not yet found a form designer so I'm guessing I have to use glade to build a GUI for this too? |
| 21:59.08 | simonrvn | one line won't matter, but if the file, and the backup file are missing, corrupted, whatever, there goes your boot |
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| 21:59.24 | onetinsoldier | stoned: i'mnot certain, but i have some reason to think i have run something before made(by someone else, not me!) with mono on winxp... i can't recall for certain tho |
| 21:59.28 | simonrvn | used file-rc for a long time |
| 21:59.30 | jelly-home | simonrvn: same thing as if /boot/grub/menu.lst is missing |
| 21:59.48 | Firefishe | simonrvn: So you changed back, then? |
| 21:59.52 | simonrvn | jelly-home: sure, but we're not talking about the bootloader ATM ;) |
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| 22:00.08 | stoned | you know what man |
| 22:00.10 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I mean, there are a lot of "single points of failure" |
| 22:00.11 | simonrvn | Firefishe: having symlinks is handier |
| 22:00.14 | stoned | I'm gonna throw in the towel tonight |
| 22:00.16 | stoned | fuck it |
| 22:00.19 | stoned | I'm getting high. |
| 22:00.20 | abrotman | stoned: no idea .. maybe ask the mono channel .. or the #debian-mono on oftc |
| 22:00.23 | simonrvn | jelly-home: oh for sure |
| 22:00.26 | stoned | oh there is a debian mono channel |
| 22:00.29 | stoned | no freakin way |
| 22:00.32 | stoned | sweeeet |
| 22:00.45 | jelly-home | waves to stoned's braincells still alive |
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| 22:01.08 | stoned | jelly-home, c'mon man, once in about a 8 months is ok ;) |
| 22:01.17 | stoned | at least I'm not stoned 24/7 like previously |
| 22:01.28 | LooieENG | ooo wait |
| 22:01.34 | LooieENG | I already have exim4 on my server |
| 22:01.36 | jelly-home | I guess it's comparably better, stoned ;-) |
| 22:01.38 | LooieENG | should I just use that? |
| 22:01.40 | LooieENG | instead of ssmpt |
| 22:01.42 | stoned | jelly-home, you da man :) |
| 22:01.44 | LooieENG | *ssmtp |
| 22:02.01 | Firefishe | brb...have to reboot |
| 22:02.04 | jelly-home | LooieENG: if it works, just keep using it |
| 22:02.05 | simonrvn | LooieENG: sure exim4-daemon-light is ok for that |
| 22:02.08 | abrotman | LooieENG: you can .. it'll work just fine |
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| 22:03.21 | LooieENG | it doesn't work |
| 22:03.30 | LooieENG | but it wasn't turned on :P |
| 22:03.34 | bjorkBSD | gaaaah! now i can't ssh from my debian box. |
| 22:03.35 | LooieENG | so I thought I didn't have one |
| 22:03.41 | bjorkBSD | what is it with this distro. |
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| 22:03.48 | oxi | hi |
| 22:03.53 | jelly-home | bjorkBSD: it sucks! |
| 22:03.54 | bjorkBSD | it can ping the box sitting next to it, but it won't ssh! |
| 22:03.56 | stoned | problem lies with your lack of experience with debian |
| 22:04.03 | stoned | not you, nor debian |
| 22:04.09 | bjorkBSD | stoned, it normally just works. |
| 22:04.14 | oxi | I'm looking for a vserver |
| 22:04.15 | stoned | it does. |
| 22:04.21 | simonrvn | bjorkBSD: openssh-client isn't installed by default |
| 22:04.29 | bjorkBSD | it is in there. |
| 22:04.34 | oxi | they have debian mini and debian 4.0 & ispCP listed |
| 22:04.39 | stoned | what is the error dude |
| 22:04.41 | LooieENG | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 22:04.42 | bjorkBSD | all i had to do was type ssh. it just hangs though. |
| 22:04.42 | LooieENG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.45 | oxi | can anoyne comment on ispCP? |
| 22:04.48 | bjorkBSD | nothing. |
| 22:04.51 | bjorkBSD | it can't find anything. |
| 22:04.54 | jelly-home | bjorkBSD: "can't ssh" isn't a specific enough description of your issue though |
| 22:04.57 | stoned | bjorkBSD, install strace and strace ssh |
| 22:05.01 | LooieENG | in /etc/init.d/ I just have exim4, how can I run exim4-daemon-light simonrvn |
| 22:05.18 | stoned | find the point where it hangs |
| 22:05.19 | jelly-home | bjorkBSD: can you resolve the remote machine name? |
| 22:05.48 | simonrvn | LooieENG: what i said is just the package name. you're looking at the right init script. |
| 22:05.52 | bjorkBSD | eh. i don't think so. |
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| 22:05.56 | zigovr3 | simonrvn: ok apprently ,there is a similar /sbin/logd that I can use instead of bootlogd |
| 22:05.58 | jelly-home | bjorkBSD: can you pastebin the output of your ssh command with added -vv options? |
| 22:06.13 | jelly-home | oh, you can't even resolve |
| 22:06.20 | oxi | actually the vserver I consider has "Debian 4.0 ispCP Script-Installer" and "Debian 4.0 Etch Mini" listed |
| 22:06.25 | oxi | what would you pick and why? |
| 22:06.29 | bjorkBSD | no. it's on my imac. |
| 22:06.53 | jelly-home | bjorkBSD: how do you expect to connect to it, then! |
| 22:07.11 | bjorkBSD | it's on the network. |
| 22:07.12 | stoned | with a thread and two cans at each end tied |
| 22:07.20 | stoned | oldschol data transfer |
| 22:07.21 | stoned | lol |
| 22:07.56 | jelly-home | bjorkBSD: eh. pastebin the output then. include the command line too |
| 22:08.45 | bjorkBSD | i'll fix it somehow. |
| 22:08.54 | bjorkBSD | it's on a different box, not this one. |
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| 22:10.06 | El_Guillermo | simonrvn: my router is fine, its freenode |
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| 22:10.40 | abrotman | El_Guillermo: your router is not fine ... connect to freenode on port 8000 |
| 22:11.28 | El_Guillermo | no, my router is fine, i didn't get disconnected from any other server |
| 22:11.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:12.09 | jelly-home | bjorkBSD: if you can get to the internets from that box, you can pastebin |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | maybe it was just a timed coincdence |
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| 22:12.50 | ComradeHaz | hmm, I'm going to give that bash problem a miss for now. More pressing matters first. |
| 22:12.56 | bjorkBSD | one sec. |
| 22:13.28 | jelly-home | !pastebin oneliner |
| 22:13.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin oneliner is at http://pastebin.ca/tools.php. |
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| 22:14.24 | ComradeHaz | One of them is the following: I know how to mount NTFS drives with fstab by name but how do I do it with fat32/vfat partitions? with NTFS drives I'd do something like: /dev/disk/by-label/IcyBox /mnt/IcyBox ntfs-3g etc.... having used ntfstools to set the label. But how do I do the equivelant of that with a FAT32 partition? |
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| 22:16.18 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: you can label it at mkdosfs time, or from windows |
| 22:16.42 | ComradeHaz | lol, that teh only way? |
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| 22:16.57 | ComradeHaz | ok |
| 22:17.00 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: mlabel from mtools could perhaps be used, but I haven't used mtools in a long time |
| 22:17.05 | ComradeHaz | and ow do I then use that name in fstab? |
| 22:17.24 | ComradeHaz | (I think it's already labeled actually) |
| 22:17.25 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: just like above |
| 22:17.37 | ComradeHaz | any options? |
| 22:17.41 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: use "blkid" to see the label, if present |
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| 22:18.30 | slv | hello, what is the default desktop in debian 4.0? gnome? |
| 22:18.33 | ComradeHaz | meh |
| 22:18.39 | ComradeHaz | that doesn't show the label I was expecting :/ |
| 22:18.42 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: eg. /dev/sda8: LABEL="DATA" UUID="446C-DD29" TYPE="vfat" |
| 22:18.47 | simonrvn | slv: there is no default |
| 22:18.55 | ComradeHaz | uh |
| 22:19.21 | slv | do i choose it during install or on first install does it just boot to command prompt? |
| 22:19.26 | dmoerner | slv, if you install the Desktop group in the tasksel gui the default is to use gnome |
| 22:19.37 | ComradeHaz | yeah, jelly-home I get something like that |
| 22:19.45 | ComradeHaz | but I was sure the drive had a label |
| 22:19.53 | ComradeHaz | if it's not shown does that mean there's not one? |
| 22:20.15 | slv | ok thanks simonrvn, dmoerner |
| 22:20.24 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: it means that blkid (and mount) doesn't recognize one |
| 22:20.29 | slv | methinks i'll do a debian install on this laptop |
| 22:21.07 | ComradeHaz | hmm, ok |
| 22:21.09 | ComradeHaz | ta |
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| 22:22.21 | ComradeHaz | for ext2 part's I can just use 'LABEL=Blah' in fstab can;t I? |
| 22:22.31 | ComradeHaz | *ext3 rather |
| 22:23.27 | slv | iannault |
| 22:24.05 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: yes. you can use LABEL=blah for ntfs-3g too |
| 22:24.20 | ComradeHaz | and fat32? |
| 22:24.34 | jelly-home | why not, it's a valid syntax |
| 22:24.44 | jelly-home | s/fat32/vfat/ |
| 22:24.45 | slv | iannault |
| 22:24.49 | ComradeHaz | cool |
| 22:24.54 | ComradeHaz | didn't know that :) |
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| 22:27.46 | bmw13cool | I have a radeon 9200 pro graphics card and my x server doesn't want to start when i boot up |
| 22:28.47 | onetinsoldier | i thever sine i've installed lenny, i've never received any local mail. i just went throught the exim4-config process a few minutes ago. still nothing. should i be getting any mail from the system? |
| 22:28.58 | stew | bmw13cool: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:29.04 | onetinsoldier | ever since* |
| 22:29.30 | stew | onetinsoldier: are you checking mail as a regular user or as root? |
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| 22:30.05 | onetinsoldier | stew: regular user.. set up as username@localhost in kmail |
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| 22:30.35 | bjorkBSD | i thought there was something besides dpkg |
| 22:30.40 | bjorkBSD | and not aptitude either. |
| 22:30.49 | Aoimsh0t | >hot! :D http://nackte-weihnachtsfrau.net/?id=8795983 |
| 22:31.02 | jelly-home | Aoimsh0t: don't spam |
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| 22:31.28 | onetinsoldier | stew: nothing in /var/mail and mail*.logs are empty in /var/log |
| 22:31.39 | bjorkBSD | apt -get! |
| 22:31.41 | bjorkBSD | thank you. |
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| 22:34.12 | stew | onetinsoldier: mail "from the system" would be delivered to root unless you configured /etc/aliases for it to go somewhere else |
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| 22:35.24 | onetinsoldier | stew: ok, roger that. so i need to setup root user to check for mail it sounds like.i'll probably just use mailx for him |
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| 22:35.36 | bjorkLinux | there i am. |
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| 22:38.12 | onetinsoldier | no mail for root.. maybe after some time |
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| 22:38.24 | bmw13cool | Whenever I boot, at the end of the supposed "list," i get the error "KDSETKEYCODE: No such device" what does this mean and what should I do |
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| 22:39.44 | deadcat | xlsfonts shows the font i want. but when i use it in xterm -fn FONT, it fails. |
| 22:40.07 | deadcat | any command to update my fonts cache or whatever? |
| 22:40.14 | stew | onetinsoldier: if you want to test that its working as planned, you could add a cron job that just does "echo foo" to make sure that SOMEONE gets an email with "foo" in the body |
| 22:40.25 | jelly-home | deadcat: for X fonts, "xset fp rehash" |
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| 22:40.54 | deadcat | jelly-home: i have that running in my .xsession, and xlsfonts shows the fonts there |
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| 22:41.11 | onetinsoldier | stew: ok, thanks. |
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| 22:42.32 | jelly-home | deadcat: what is the exact font you'd like to use (line from the xlsfonts output), and the exact xterm command line? |
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| 22:43.09 | deadcat | jelly-home: edges from artwiz. actually the package xfonts-artwiz no long exist. but i have them in my home dir and i use xset fp+ fontdir |
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| 22:43.56 | jelly-home | deadcat: uh, that doesn't answer any of the questions |
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| 22:44.14 | deadcat | jelly-home: it shows edges |
| 22:44.40 | deadcat | jelly-home: xlsfonts |grep edges, returns "edges" |
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| 22:44.56 | jelly-home | deadcat: that's the whole line? |
| 22:45.00 | deadcat | jelly-home: ya |
| 22:45.12 | punzada | Hey all, slight issue, on one of my box's i ran an update/upgrade like usual and it tried to install a new kernel, but now whenever it gets to upgrade-grub it just hangs and I need to break it with ctrl+c, now I don't really need the kernel upgrade so it doesn't bother me, but apt won't let me install anything else because it keeps trying to install this kernel upgrade first, and I cannot purge it because it says it was an unclean install and it should be reins |
| 22:45.21 | punzada | any ideas would be appreciated |
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| 22:45.30 | punzada | (running lenny) |
| 22:45.45 | jelly-home | deadcat: that's an alias, then. try find the actual font in there |
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| 22:46.13 | jelly-home | deadcat: something like -adobe-new century schoolbook-bold-i-normal--0-0-100-100-p-0-iso10646-1 |
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| 22:47.00 | jelly-home | deadcat: do you have a fonts.dir file in your custom directory? |
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| 22:47.28 | deadcat | jelly-home: yes. i have that file. |
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| 22:47.52 | jelly-home | deadcat: pastebin the contents, please |
| 22:48.10 | deadcat | jelly-home: k |
| 22:48.19 | jelly-home | deadcat: check that it references existing font files |
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| 22:49.18 | onetinsoldier | punzada: i can probably help you out. we will go fairly slowly over this problem, not quickly. do you have plenty of time? |
| 22:49.24 | punzada | I do |
| 22:49.44 | deadcat | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1271465 |
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| 22:50.10 | onetinsoldier | punzada: ok. do you know if your grub's menu.lst file has been altered by this broken attempt yet? |
| 22:50.31 | punzada | no, it's booting the old kernel fine with the old menu.lst |
| 22:50.42 | punzada | hasn't been touched yet |
| 22:51.51 | onetinsoldier | punzada: good. i should let you know about what my method will 'not' do. it will not get rid of the files onyour system that were put on it by the attempted upgrade. are you ok with that? |
| 22:52.07 | mythomaniac | hello, god do i love debian! |
| 22:52.31 | punzada | yeah that's fine if that one kernel is around, I'd just like to be able to keep my current one and be able to install new packages |
| 22:52.47 | abrotman | it'd be better if he fixed grub |
| 22:52.56 | abrotman | he can't just keep running the old kernel |
| 22:53.05 | onetinsoldier | punzada: ok, then my method should work. |
| 22:53.12 | abrotman | punzada: what version of debian is this? and what kernel package are you trying to install |
| 22:53.31 | LooieENG | do I want "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail" |
| 22:53.33 | LooieENG | or "internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP" |
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| 22:53.44 | abrotman | LooieENG: do you have a real mail server that you can use? |
| 22:54.18 | punzada | it's lenny, currently running 2.6.24-1-686 and it's trying to update to .26 |
| 22:54.26 | abrotman | yes, he should fix grub |
| 22:54.31 | jelly-home | deadcat: judging by that file, "edges" should point to your font. the file contents (the logical font names) are a bit unusual though. |
| 22:54.40 | abrotman | that .24 kernel will be unsupported and he'll be succeptable |
| 22:54.47 | abrotman | to all kinds of security issues |
| 22:54.55 | punzada | well, it's on an older machine, much older actually |
| 22:55.05 | punzada | but I would like to upgrade to the newest and continue with upgrades if possible |
| 22:55.05 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. you should be fixing grub |
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| 22:55.12 | jelly-home | deadcat: can you save a copy of fonts.dir somewhere, run a "mkfontdir" in that directory and report any changes? |
| 22:55.21 | valdyn | LooieENG: if you dont know you probably want local mail only |
| 22:55.24 | deadcat | jelly-home: k |
| 22:55.34 | abrotman | valdyn: it's a server that needs to send mail out |
| 22:55.38 | onetinsoldier | punzada: i would of couse be curoius as to the current state of the broken package... can you list it for me? perhaps after fixing this you can try to upgrade the kernel again. after doing this if it break again, you'll know how to fix 'dpkg' |
| 22:55.54 | deadcat | jelly-home: diff shows no changes |
| 22:56.06 | abrotman | punzada: how long did you let grub sit? more than a few minutes ? |
| 22:56.10 | onetinsoldier | punzada: sorry about my spelling typos |
| 22:56.46 | punzada | a good five minutes at one point, it's an old p2 450mhz machine should i try and let it go a bit longer? |
| 22:56.47 | ross`_ | hey |
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| 22:56.57 | ross`_ | can someone tell me how to get the file /etc/firewall/ipt-default |
| 22:57.01 | abrotman | punzada: nah, shouldn't take that long |
| 22:57.01 | ross`_ | what do i need to apt-get |
| 22:57.08 | abrotman | !tell ross`_ about apt-file |
| 22:57.24 | onetinsoldier | punzada: abrotman is a local resident expert.. perhaps he get it fixed as well as get you to the newer kernel. i'll let him take it for the moment |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | punzada: if you run update-grub .. what happens |
| 22:57.42 | jelly-home | deadcat: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/app-artwiz.html suggests there should be proper X-style names for at least some fonts |
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| 22:58.28 | deadcat | jelly-home: let me check it. i used to apt-get install xfonts-artwiz. |
| 22:58.39 | ross`_ | didnt wrk |
| 22:58.43 | ross`_ | abrotman: nothing came up |
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| 22:59.12 | jelly-home | deadcat: I guess you could search snapshots.debian.net for old packages |
| 22:59.16 | abrotman | ross`_: might be a generated file |
| 22:59.33 | deadcat | jelly-home: ya |
| 22:59.39 | ross`_ | yea |
| 22:59.40 | ross`_ | i know that |
| 22:59.41 | jelly-home | deadcat: um, make that snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:59.42 | ross`_ | but from what program |
| 22:59.45 | ross`_ | normally iptables |
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| 22:59.48 | ross`_ | but how do i generate it |
| 22:59.49 | ross`_ | O.O |
| 22:59.50 | abrotman | ross`_: is it on your system now ? |
| 22:59.55 | ross`_ | no |
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| 23:00.16 | abrotman | if apt-file doesn't know .. then i won't have any way of knowing .. i don't have the file here either |
| 23:00.29 | ross`_ | normally /etc/firewall/ipt-default is made when you install iptables |
| 23:00.32 | punzada | hmm, I think my drive may be dying, running grub-update is now spamming me with DriveReady SeekComplete Error and TrackZeroNotFound |
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| 23:00.48 | valdyn | ross`_: certainly not in debian |
| 23:00.54 | ross`_ | hmm |
| 23:00.55 | ross`_ | ok |
| 23:00.56 | ross`_ | well |
| 23:01.05 | ross`_ | where is the firewall port forwarding file located |
| 23:01.06 | ross`_ | on debian |
| 23:01.06 | ross`_ | ten |
| 23:01.14 | valdyn | ross`_: nor is /etc/firewall anywhere in debian |
| 23:01.44 | abrotman | thinks ross`_ is using ubuntu! |
| 23:01.50 | ross`_ | no |
| 23:01.52 | ross`_ | well |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | punzada: that's not good |
| 23:01.56 | ross`_ | i havt a ubuntu computer |
| 23:02.04 | ross`_ | and thats where i had the firewall directory |
| 23:02.09 | ross`_ | but the server im working on is debian |
| 23:02.14 | ross`_ | and i cant locate the firewall files |
| 23:02.17 | abrotman | you know .. ubuntu isn't debian |
| 23:02.23 | ross`_ | i do know this |
| 23:02.26 | ross`_ | anyway |
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| 23:02.31 | sineETCH40 | anyone able to use mobile broadband devices with debian ETCH |
| 23:02.32 | valdyn | ross`_: you dont have any "firewall files" by default |
| 23:02.33 | ross`_ | where is the firewall files located |
| 23:02.37 | ross`_ | valdyn: oh ok |
| 23:02.38 | sineETCH40 | like the E220 |
| 23:02.41 | ross`_ | um |
| 23:02.46 | ross`_ | grr |
| 23:02.50 | ross`_ | idk how to use iptables |
| 23:02.51 | ross`_ | :9 |
| 23:03.03 | valdyn | ross`_: how is it set up in ubuntu? |
| 23:03.11 | abrotman | !tell ross`_ about enter |
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| 23:03.33 | ross`_ | im trying to forward port 1022 externally to 192.168.1.223 port 22 |
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| 23:04.44 | ross`_ | hmm |
| 23:04.52 | onetinsoldier | punzada: sorry to hear that. it does sound like your drive is about to bite the dust. if it's not, come on back |
| 23:05.03 | sineETCH40 | whilst doing a system auto update after not using debian for a long time i now have 4 entrys instead of 2 in grub which are exactly the same apart from the numbers does that mean its done a kernel upgrade and i can boot the same system but with either kernels ? |
| 23:05.19 | punzada | yesh it probably is, spitting out errors and can't read the partition table, d'oh |
| 23:05.29 | valdyn | uh, i guess this is about ufw |
| 23:05.44 | onetinsoldier | punzada: yeah, i think it's already toast |
| 23:06.17 | onetinsoldier | punzada: you're existing here now with what you have inthe system's memory, me thinks |
| 23:06.47 | abrotman | punzada: backup time! |
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| 23:07.31 | sineETCH40 | is there a way to access linux ext2/3 partition data from within windwos |
| 23:07.34 | sineETCH40 | windows |
| 23:08.10 | ross`_ | sineETCH40: not that i know of |
| 23:08.16 | onetinsoldier | sineETCH40: yes |
| 23:08.17 | ross`_ | i've tried and couldnt get it to work |
| 23:08.17 | valdyn | sineETCH40: yes, google |
| 23:08.25 | ross`_ | mmm |
| 23:08.39 | sineETCH40 | kk |
| 23:08.51 | stew | sineETCH40: ask ##windows |
| 23:09.25 | somnambulant | sineETCH40: there are 3 or 4 programs- just google it dont ask ##windows |
| 23:09.28 | onetinsoldier | sineETCH40: Ext2 IFS For Windows |
| 23:09.55 | ComradeHaz | hmm, I have a fat32 part' on a usb stick but it seems only linux will mount it. Any ideas what I might have done wrong? |
| 23:10.13 | onetinsoldier | sineETCH40: works for accessing ext3 as well |
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| 23:10.56 | ComradeHaz | lol sineETCH40, did you even google?! :DDD |
| 23:11.08 | ComradeHaz | !google ext3 windows |
| 23:11.12 | ComradeHaz | top hi |
| 23:11.15 | ComradeHaz | *top hit |
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| 23:14.32 | ComradeHaz | I have a fat32 part' on a usb stick but it seems only linux will mount it. Any ideas what I might have done wrong? «--- anyone? |
| 23:14.44 | adb | usb stick normally has fat16 , i thought |
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| 23:14.57 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 23:15.00 | stew | my usb stick normally has ext3 on it |
| 23:15.05 | ComradeHaz | could try that, I guess |
| 23:15.34 | ComradeHaz | yeah, stew, but I plan to use it in wondows machines as a stick too as well as having the linux install on it |
| 23:15.41 | jhutchins | Yeah, I got tired of people borrowing my USB key, then I put ext3 on it and they always bring it right back. |
| 23:15.45 | ersi | ComradeHaz: do "vfat" :) |
| 23:15.50 | ersi | I think that's fat16 though |
| 23:15.58 | ComradeHaz | vfat is fat32, no? |
| 23:16.24 | jhutchins | fat12 ftw! |
| 23:16.39 | deadcat | jelly-home: installed the artwiz package from snapshot, still only get "edges" from xlsfonts |
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| 23:16.57 | jhutchins | vfat/fat32 should be windows readable. Is it formatted as a partition or as the whole drive? |
| 23:18.10 | stew | ComradeHaz: so debian has no problem with this filesystem, just some other operating system? |
| 23:19.15 | ComradeHaz | Well, not sure if it's debian doing something weird when it creates the partitions or if it's me being a muppet |
| 23:19.19 | ComradeHaz | probably the latter |
| 23:19.30 | stew | then you are probably asking in the wrong channel |
| 23:19.40 | ComradeHaz | either way, it's not gonna be windoozes fault this time |
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| 23:26.32 | ersi | I'm not very experianced with fiddling with Debian, but how do I clense out all the default services that just prolong my boot-time? Infact, how do I manage the init/runlevel/scripts at all? |
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| 23:26.47 | abrotman | ersi: update-rc.d |
| 23:26.51 | stew | or rcconf |
| 23:26.55 | abrotman | ersi: or uninstall the ones you don't want/need |
| 23:27.21 | ersi | I'll headbang update-rc.d a little bit more then.. |
| 23:27.23 | ersi | :-/ |
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| 23:27.58 | ersi | hm, rcconf seems okay |
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| 23:30.03 | onetinsoldier | ersi: it's good to learn the command-line way. however, there are gui tools if you have X running and fell like using one |
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| 23:30.13 | onetinsoldier | fell = feel |
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| 23:30.22 | ersi | I got nothing against CLI. Infact I like CLI. |
| 23:30.39 | onetinsoldier | roger that, just an fyi |
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| 23:30.48 | ersi | I'm not very skilled at fippling with sysv-initscripts with no info on them but a vague name |
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| 23:31.35 | ersi | I don't even know why I got things like exim4 installed, I barely chose anything in the installer besides base.. |
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| 23:32.13 | onetinsoldier | ersi: mail is important. the system want to send you e-mails about things going on with it at times |
| 23:32.15 | abrotman | because the system sends important emails to root |
| 23:32.18 | ersi | what's "policycoreutils"? no man page |
| 23:32.59 | ersi | I know, but what the fuck.. It's not like it's a mail-server. :| |
| 23:33.08 | Mordbrann | what's a good utf8 font I can install for xterm? |
| 23:33.13 | ersi | It's a desktop, for crying out loud. :( |
| 23:33.31 | abrotman | still sends mail to you about things going wrong |
| 23:33.42 | onetinsoldier | ersi: the mail transport agent(exim4) can be configured to run only on the local loopback(lo) |
| 23:33.55 | ersi | I've configured it to fuck off, right now >:o |
| 23:33.58 | themill | dpkg: tell ersi about why an mta |
| 23:34.02 | onetinsoldier | ersi: in other words.. no conecctivity to the interenet whatsoever |
| 23:34.33 | ersi | Ever heard of logfiles? or notices in other ways? Who the hell reads root's mail on a Desktop computer? |
| 23:34.39 | abrotman | me |
| 23:34.47 | themill | ersi: root's email isn't delivered to root anyway |
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| 23:34.51 | abrotman | it can be |
| 23:34.55 | simonrvn | puts his hand up |
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| 23:34.56 | themill | but not by default |
| 23:35.02 | ersi | :| |
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| 23:35.43 | rudeon | evening guys ladies and gents |
| 23:35.52 | onetinsoldier | rudeon: hi there |
| 23:35.52 | ersi | sighs and shakes his head around |
| 23:36.11 | themill | rudeon: you forgot to greet the bots. They're all offended now. |
| 23:36.18 | rudeon | sorry about my hostmask |
| 23:36.22 | ersi | What's up with the Debian community and the no-documentation-policy? |
| 23:36.40 | abrotman | ersi: the what? |
| 23:36.43 | ersi | Especially about retarded default configuration that the community has added to packages |
| 23:36.46 | atomiku | I'm setting up an AD-HOC network (because I don't think this wireless card supports AP). My laptop has managed to connect to my debian box, but they can't communicate each other. |
| 23:36.51 | stew | ersi: can you be more specific? |
| 23:36.56 | ofl_ | how do i get dpkg installed directory ? |
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| 23:37.12 | themill | ersi: Please try to be less combative and more interested in learning when you ask questions. You'll get more help and fewer "troll" labels that way. |
| 23:37.19 | rudeon | debianhelp.co.uk is a vast help servive for us people :) |
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| 23:37.21 | ersi | Like for example, what the fuck all the three zillion services and different scripts in /etc/init.d/ is |
| 23:37.35 | stew | ersi: you'll have to ask a more specific question |
| 23:37.44 | onetinsoldier | ofl_: i don't understand the question... are you wanting to know where <some_package> is installed to? |
| 23:37.45 | xoz | ersi: what linux are you using? |
| 23:37.49 | ersi | I'm asking; Where is the documentation? |
| 23:37.51 | atomiku | How can I show all incoming packets? |
| 23:37.53 | abrotman | for what?! |
| 23:37.57 | themill | ersi: init.d is hardly undocumented. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 23:38.33 | stew | ersi: /usr/share/doc/packagename ; /msg dpkg reference |
| 23:38.33 | ersi | xoz: I'm using 2.6.26-1-686. |
| 23:38.33 | rudeon | hehe |
| 23:38.33 | xoz | ersi: no, apparently you are new to debian. the previous distro? |
| 23:38.33 | rudeon | I love debian |
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| 23:38.52 | Big-E | stew, man is unknown and not an option for lazy people. |
| 23:38.57 | ersi | xoz: Oh, I'm certainly not new. |
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| 23:39.18 | onetinsoldier | ersi: so what is your previous distro? |
| 23:39.26 | xoz | tep |
| 23:39.44 | stew | Big-E: what? |
| 23:39.50 | ersi | Seems like the only thing Debian got that's good/decent is dpkg/apt/etc. Everything else seems to have been left dusty |
| 23:39.59 | rudeon | onetinsoldier, I run debian,and netbsd |
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| 23:40.06 | abrotman | ersi: you're being very vague, and if you don't ask better questions, no one will be able to help you |
| 23:40.15 | Big-E | stew, you told him to read the doc's and I am saying the manual is not an option for most people. |
| 23:40.19 | onetinsoldier | rudeon: my question was directed at ersi |
| 23:40.22 | themill | ersi: Do you have specific things we can help you with or are you just generally trolling? |
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| 23:40.25 | ersi | abrotman: That's not a question, at all. Note the periods for example. |
| 23:40.30 | Big-E | </sarcasm> |
| 23:40.33 | stew | Big-E: he asked specifically where the docs were |
| 23:40.35 | abrotman | ersi: so basically you just came here to whine? |
| 23:40.47 | rudeon | onetinsoldier, I saw that... don't insult my intelligence Mr :) |
| 23:40.49 | ersi | themill: I thought the informative message when joining told me it's a discussion channel. Are you against discussing? |
| 23:40.54 | stew | ersi: if you are just here to complain, save it. if you want to know about how you can help, ask us |
| 23:40.57 | onetinsoldier | rudeon: ewww k |
| 23:41.02 | themill | ersi: It is not a discussion channel, sorry. |
| 23:41.03 | stew | ersi: yes, this is a support channel |
| 23:41.05 | ersi | If I wanted to troll the fuck out of you I'd just be telling you "u suck, u suck" |
| 23:41.14 | themill | ersi: that's what you are doing, actually. |
| 23:41.20 | ersi | "00:14 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel;" |
| 23:41.31 | stew | ersi: do you have a specific question you need help with? |
| 23:41.32 | themill | ersi: I know it says that, it needs to be changed. |
| 23:41.45 | rudeon | debian users are more friendly than gentoo users |
| 23:41.52 | rudeon | =) |
| 23:41.54 | xoz | abrotman: i think you know the drift. ersi is not new to linux. |
| 23:42.13 | abrotman | it is a discussion channel, not a "I can't find anything, I can't be arsed to look, I can't actually ask a question, but i've got complaints ... " channel |
| 23:42.19 | onetinsoldier | ofl_: hello? |
| 23:42.20 | ersi | Is there anywhere there's ensambled specific fucking information about Debian, administrating debian, using debian, configuration files, specifics? |
| 23:42.22 | susbwoy | He wants to know why there is so much stuff in /etc/init.d that he didnt want installed and probably can't work out how they apart of the base system |
| 23:42.24 | xoz | ersi: if you think something can be improved, you can contribute. |
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| 23:42.30 | ersi | That's a rock hard solid question. I hope it's not too vague for you" |
| 23:42.34 | stew | ersi: yes, the debian reference |
| 23:42.39 | ofl_ | onetinsoldier, yeah i want to know where is installed the package , dpkg -L <some_package> list all files, but i need just the directory name |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | !reference |
| 23:42.40 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 23:42.40 | ofl_ | folder |
| 23:42.42 | ersi | Which is? dpkg bot? |
| 23:42.44 | stew | ersi: which we've tried to point you to multiple times |
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| 23:42.55 | themill | dpkg: tell ersi about grounding |
| 23:42.56 | ersi | You're being vague and uninformative :-( |
| 23:43.03 | rudeon | have all freenodestaff forgot to voice people in #defocus |
| 23:43.04 | abrotman | it's right there .. in two forms |
| 23:43.06 | rudeon | lol |
| 23:43.15 | stew | rudeon: no, read the topic in #defocus |
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| 23:43.17 | abrotman | a web reference, and a package .. isntall and read |
| 23:43.33 | ersi | I was too busy reading the "you are a troll and being too vague", apparently |
| 23:43.33 | rudeon | stew, would that be steak stew? |
| 23:43.37 | stew | ersi: if you aren't understanding our answers, please let us know, and ask more specific questions |
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| 23:43.43 | stew | rudeon: please keep it on-topic |
| 23:44.14 | onetinsoldier | ofl_: many packages install to many different directories.. not everything gets slammed into /bin /usr/bin or /usr/sbin |
| 23:44.48 | ofl_ | ok i knowed, but what is the subdirectory ? |
| 23:44.57 | rudeon | stew I am here for a reason, I do not take kindly to idiots. :D |
| 23:45.14 | onetinsoldier | ofl_: use the grep command... if you are wanting to know where the binary's get installed to, then dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin ...for example |
| 23:45.25 | stew | rudeon: if you have a quesiton, ask it |
| 23:45.33 | stew | rudeon: please refrain from calling people idiots |
| 23:45.41 | rudeon | onetinsoldier, is about the most intelligent debian user here |
| 23:45.43 | rudeon | lol |
| 23:45.47 | Guerin | rudeon: we don't take kindly to idiots either. So you're in good company. |
| 23:45.54 | onetinsoldier | ha, i wish |
| 23:46.02 | rudeon | :P |
| 23:46.28 | themill | ofl_: you can also use "apt-file show packagename" as well as dpkg -L. |
| 23:46.57 | onetinsoldier | ofl_: and you can install apt-file too |
| 23:47.23 | ofl_ | ok, thank you |
| 23:47.26 | onetinsoldier | but of course it for files... not necessarily directories |
| 23:47.27 | ofl_ | :) |
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| 23:49.13 | onetinsoldier | themill: did you mena apt-get show? you put in apt-file show <pkg_name> |
| 23:49.22 | onetinsoldier | s/maen/mean |
| 23:49.27 | atomiku | Any experts on IPtables? Could someone look at this and tell me why 192.168.30.* might not be able to communicate? http://pastebin.com/d2784cad3 |
| 23:49.42 | atomiku | I think it's blocking some incoming packets |
| 23:49.45 | onetinsoldier | themill: i guessi should try it first... |
| 23:49.48 | themill | onetinsoldier: no, apt-file show packagename shows the contents of a package, either installer or uninstalled |
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| 23:50.00 | ersi | I've specificly asked about "the different scripts in /etc/init.d/", where could I read about 'em? The "Debian Reference" isn't exactly handing it over. |
| 23:50.07 | lem0n | Hello! I'm having an issue with BIND... I have a DNS server here on my local network that does recursive lookups for my LAN... I just changed the subnet of my whole network rom 192.168.1.0/24 to 10.0.0.0/24, and now for whatever reason i'm getting SERVFAIL errors when i try to resolve. |
| 23:50.08 | themill | onetinsoldier: "apt-file search filename" is handy too. |
| 23:50.09 | onetinsoldier | themill: roger.. i never used apt-file that way.. only apt-get |
| 23:50.33 | onetinsoldier | i will try it |
| 23:50.34 | stew | ersi: /usr/share/doc/packagename would have the documentation for a particular package, if you don't know what package a file came from try /msg dpkg search ; or dpkg -S |
| 23:50.38 | themill | ersi: does /etc/init.d/README look promising to you? |
| 23:50.45 | lem0n | also, when i try to update the root zone db info with webmin (i know you all dont like webmin but thats not relevant in this case). i get "Failed to re-download root zone : Failed to connect to 198.41.0.6:21 : Network is unreachable", ive already tried setting the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf to 4.2.2.1 as well |
| 23:50.49 | chuck | is there a command to change the mirror you want |
| 23:50.50 | chuck | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:51.00 | chuck | ^ this isn't working |
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| 23:51.14 | chuck | oh, it fixed |
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| 23:51.46 | abrotman | that was quick |
| 23:51.48 | rebecka | ssh -X fromm a debian lenny system to a netbsd system and the running ex. xterm gives me the following error X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. any leads? |
| 23:51.58 | ersi | themill: superb |
| 23:51.58 | onetinsoldier | themill: apt-file show linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64|less ...pretty sweet :-) |
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| 23:52.11 | themill | onetinsoldier: :) |
| 23:53.07 | rebecka | Or maybe #netbsd is the place to go? |
| 23:53.32 | xoz | rebecka: pastebin the result of ... ssh -vvv -X <bsd> |
| 23:53.34 | Tramp | rebecka: check if "xauth" is available on the remote systems |
| 23:53.42 | xoz | and xauth |
| 23:53.43 | stew | rebecka: what does "echo $DISPLAY" say in the remote shell? |
| 23:53.53 | Tramp | rebecka: and yes, it's probably a problem on the server-side |
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| 23:55.00 | rebecka | stew: localhost:10.0 |
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| 23:55.20 | stew | rebecka: yeah, then i'd check that xauth is available on the remote system |
| 23:55.47 | rebecka | xoz: xauth is there. |
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| 23:56.22 | xoz | rebecka: use ssh -vvv to get a more verbose interaction |
| 23:56.25 | themill | rebecka: is $DISPLAY set inside the connection? |
| 23:56.35 | ersi | themill: no, that wasn't very informative at all. I'm digging thought the debian policy... which was linked from the README. The README does say what should be in there... should be a description of the scripts in the folder... none there |
| 23:56.51 | xoz | and follow the suggestions above from stew and Tramp |
| 23:57.40 | themill | ersi: a description of what scripts? Each script is part of a different package. As you've been told, you need to look at the documentation for that package in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 23:57.41 | stew | ersi: what specifically are you looking for the documentation to? which script? |
| 23:57.42 | rebecka | themill: yes (see abovve message to stew |
| 23:58.13 | themill | rebecka: oops. missed that one! |
| 23:58.25 | rebecka | and now pasting from xterm to iceweasel doesn' want o work... damn |