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| 00:00.27 | ersi | themill,stew: I mean the scripts that comes with a basic base install of Debian. Are you saying I have to query after which package each and everyone of those scripts belongs to and find their info in the package docs? :-/ |
| 00:00.37 | stew | ersi: yes |
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| 00:00.40 | dcs | the rule for a high load server is that the number of cpus>number in uptime(1)? |
| 00:00.45 | ersi | It's just the default crap, what gets installed at a bare fucking minimum? |
| 00:00.55 | stew | ersi: ok, which one don't you understand? |
| 00:01.10 | ersi | does anyone know that? Or do I need to find some Release nerd? |
| 00:01.13 | themill | ersi: less swearing, less combative, more help. It's a simple deal here. |
| 00:01.17 | stew | ersi: no what? |
| 00:01.35 | rudeon | ersi, don't let stew wind you up Mr |
| 00:01.40 | ersi | I'm asking a specific question and I havn't sworn in over 5 minutes. |
| 00:01.47 | ersi | I don't count "crap" as a swear. |
| 00:01.53 | stew | ersi: what script do want to know more about? |
| 00:01.57 | rebecka | ersi: fucking? |
| 00:02.13 | ersi | heh, d'oh. |
| 00:02.16 | stew | rudeon: do you have a debian related question? |
| 00:02.22 | xoz | ersi: the way you ask questions is like *i demand help* |
| 00:02.28 | susbwoy | stew is almost a bot |
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| 00:02.55 | rudeon | not another bot |
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| 00:03.34 | rudeon | stew, ACL? |
| 00:03.43 | stew | rudeon: what? |
| 00:03.54 | themill | ersi: IRC doesn't deal well with "meta questions" and it isn't a complaint forum. If you have specific questions we can help you. We also expect you to do something to help yourself though. |
| 00:03.54 | abrotman | bpun: what did you msg me ? |
| 00:04.02 | rudeon | stew google it bot |
| 00:04.07 | stew | rudeon: again, if you have a debian related question, please ask it, otherwise, please move on |
| 00:04.13 | xoz | ersi: we are volunteers here. we try to answer if we can. don't start from the premise that debian is not helpful... then complain trying to prove that it is not what you expected it to be. |
| 00:04.22 | rudeon | stew stop repeating nigger |
| 00:04.22 | ersi | themill: I've grepped thought debian reference and policy manual before coming here |
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| 00:04.41 | abrotman | bpun: ask in here, i won't reply in msg |
| 00:04.48 | ersi | If you feel like you don't want to help me, fine - don't? |
| 00:04.55 | rebecka | oh my why cant I paste from xterm to anything else? |
| 00:05.01 | stew | ersi: its hard to help you unless you ask more specific questions |
| 00:05.25 | themill | ersi: don't grep, read the docs for the package. Until you ask a specific question, you're just wasting our time and yours here. |
| 00:05.26 | stew | ersi: also keep in mind that debian is an operating system put together by volunteers, if you find some documentation lacking, perhaps you should volunteer to write more |
| 00:05.34 | ersi | stew: I did ask a specific question, even if it was pared vaguly by you/whoever. I got my answer, so what are we fucking nacking about? |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | bpun: i'm really not going to reply in msg .. and please stop msging me |
| 00:05.54 | stew | ersi: i'm trying to help you, but you aren't telling me what specifically you need help with |
| 00:06.10 | ersi | Are you all MegaHAL bots or something? |
| 00:06.15 | xoz | ersi: as we said, we want to help. |
| 00:06.20 | abrotman | ignores bpun |
| 00:06.24 | xoz | stew: i think he is trolling. |
| 00:07.41 | rebecka | pasting from xterm wont work, this sucks... any quick fix? |
| 00:07.46 | xoz | it is in the signature of his asking. he doesn't really want his questions to be answered.... trying to ask as abrotman says "META QUESTIONS" |
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| 00:08.09 | abrotman | xoz: nah .. apparently he's been banned since june |
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| 00:09.20 | ersi | Question was; "I want to know about each script in /etc/init.d/ so I can weed out all the default crap that starts up. That requiring short descriptions of each script(besides the obvious ones, like "acpid")" I got "read the package info lol". "do I need to go through all of them? seriously lolk :|" "Yes." |
| 00:09.33 | ersi | don't answer the above though, a short briefing :| |
| 00:09.45 | stew | ersi: yes, you'd need to read through the documentation of the package they come from |
| 00:09.46 | maco | why does the bugtracker only show every 5th comment? is there a way to make it show all of the comments? |
| 00:09.47 | themill | ersi: you do know that the scripts in init.d aren't the ones that are run by default, don't you? |
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| 00:10.08 | izzyb | Now that sarge has dropped off the support list, where would I find a copy of the portmap package for it? |
| 00:10.12 | ersi | I then asked "Can I get information on what comes with a default base debian installation, or do I need to consult a release-voluntear/maintainer?" <- unanswered |
| 00:10.16 | stew | izzyb: archive.debian.org |
| 00:10.19 | abrotman | izzyb: archive.debian.org |
| 00:10.28 | ersi | I said, don't answer the first one. god damn it :/ |
| 00:10.28 | themill | ersi: which ones are "non-obvious" i.e. not like acpid? |
| 00:10.30 | izzyb | thanks. /me checks |
| 00:10.41 | xoz | abrotman: i see. |
| 00:10.46 | stew | ersi: what do you mean "what comes with a default base debian installation". do you mean a package list? |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | xoz: stew did it! |
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| 00:10.59 | xoz | abrotman: hehe. |
| 00:11.01 | ersi | themill: "Where can I get information on what comes with a base install of Debian?" ie. minimal :| |
| 00:11.09 | ersi | stew: sure, a package list will do. |
| 00:11.39 | xoz | rebecka: use script |
| 00:12.05 | izzyb | can I setup my sources.list to use this? |
| 00:12.15 | abrotman | izzyb: yes, there are instructions there |
| 00:12.22 | rebecka | xoz: any specific script? |
| 00:12.25 | limpio | ersi, debian.org |
| 00:12.35 | ersi | limpio: thanks, really fucking helpful, you twat |
| 00:12.37 | xoz | rebecka: no. man script. |
| 00:12.45 | izzyb | thanks, found it ;) |
| 00:12.55 | themill | ersi: aiui, "aptitude search ~pstandard ~pimportant ~prequried". |
| 00:12.56 | limpio | ersi, i'm beginning to like you |
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| 00:13.07 | ersi | limpio: fuckingidiot.com |
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| 00:13.10 | xoz | rebecka: it stores your term interactions into a file until you exit from the it. |
| 00:13.24 | xoz | saw it comming, ersi |
| 00:13.32 | stew | ersi: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please try to keep it constructive in the future and avoid ad-hominems |
| 00:13.49 | xoz | rebecka: i think, typescript is the file that stores your interaction. |
| 00:13.57 | limpio | ersi, do like the rest of us, debian.org -> packages OR google.com/linux |
| 00:13.59 | rebecka | xoz: seems pretty awesome. |
| 00:14.44 | maco | er, can i ask again? how do i make the bugtracker show all of the comments instead of every 5th? |
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| 00:15.10 | abrotman | maco: bugs.debian.org you mean ? |
| 00:15.14 | xoz | rebecka: and it is in bsdutils package |
| 00:15.34 | maco | abrotman: yes. only comments 5, 10, 15, 20, etc. show up |
| 00:15.45 | themill | maco: can you give a specific URL for this? |
| 00:15.46 | abrotman | maco: example url ? |
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| 00:15.55 | maco | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 00:15.59 | wald0 | when i reinstall my system and i want to ssh to it from other machine, i have a warning alert in ssh saying that the identification has changed, like in a man-in-the-middle attack, what is the file that i need to backup and copy to my new system in order to have the same identification ? |
| 00:16.16 | maco | wald0: .ssh/known_hosts |
| 00:16.37 | maco | wald0: er, oh, sorry, wrong direction |
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| 00:17.21 | abrotman | maco: i think that's correct |
| 00:17.28 | maco | wald0: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*key* files |
| 00:17.33 | wald0 | could be /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key ? |
| 00:17.38 | wald0 | aha |
| 00:17.39 | wald0 | thanks :) |
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| 00:17.56 | maco | abrotman: what is? the thing where only some comments show up? |
| 00:18.05 | maco | is that a feature of archiving? |
| 00:18.32 | themill | maco: the "missing" messages are internal messages that are part of changing the status of the bug report and similar |
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| 00:19.46 | maco | themill: ah, ok. thank you. so comment #5 is the original report? |
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| 00:20.20 | themill | maco: Yes, it is. |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | maco: all bug reports seem to do that |
| 00:20.53 | rebecka | and the output of ssh -vvv -X triggered pastebin.coms spam filter ghrr... I guess there is a debian pastebin hiding someplace good? |
| 00:21.07 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 00:21.25 | rebecka | abrotman: thanks! |
| 00:22.05 | maco | themill, abrotman: thanks guys. makes more sense now |
| 00:22.23 | themill | maco: no worries |
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| 00:25.24 | rebecka | xoz: paste.debian.net/22604 is the output from ssh -vvv -X,at last... |
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| 00:25.55 | Alien_Freak | how do I check which files were installed by a package, I don't have the acual .deb file, it was fetched via apt-get .. anyone have any hints? |
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| 00:26.40 | abrotman | Alien_Freak: dpkg -L pkg .. or apt-file list pkg |
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| 00:27.45 | Alien_Freak | abrotman, ty |
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| 00:29.46 | Alien_Freak | wait.. apt-file ? |
| 00:30.21 | rebecka | Alien_Freak: aptitude install apt-file |
| 00:30.23 | themill | !apt-file |
| 00:30.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 00:30.42 | Alien_Freak | nice.. i never knew about that. |
| 00:31.02 | themill | apt-file is your friend :) |
| 00:32.25 | Alien_Freak | so I need to put apt-file update in a crontab job then.. to update the db, ... |
| 00:32.43 | chuck | Is there a utility to view a list of mirror and change the one I'm using |
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| 00:32.52 | themill | Alien_Freak: the apt-file database doesn't change that fast, there's no need to use a cron-job to keep it up to date |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | chuck: not really .. |
| 00:33.07 | themill | dpkg: tell chuck about apt-spy |
| 00:33.10 | chuck | is there a list of mirrors |
| 00:33.14 | abrotman | there is .. apt-spy and netselect-apt |
| 00:33.19 | themill | dpkg: tell chuck about mirrors |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | but they search for the fastest .. not a chooser per se |
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| 00:33.39 | chuck | abrotman, exactly what I was looking for actually :P |
| 00:33.42 | chuck | thanks to themill and abrotman |
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| 00:34.29 | themill | rebecka: was that output from ssh -X? There should be lines in it mentioning x11 forwarding / protocols etc but there aren't |
| 00:35.06 | rebecka | the swedish translation of aptitude is incorrect btw it demands Y instead of the asked for J |
| 00:36.02 | rebecka | themill: I have no idea why mayhaps that happends after login (heh stopped it befor entering the passwd) |
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| 00:36.20 | n-iCe | when i compile using ./configure and make ; make install, how can I remove it? |
| 00:36.22 | n-iCe | remove all |
| 00:36.29 | rebecka | should I bugreport the aptitude issue any one? |
| 00:37.38 | themill | rebecka: ahh yes, the "debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/X11/xauth list :0 2>/dev/null" is after login. Perhaps you can make a new paste where you complete the login. |
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| 00:41.21 | rebecka | thmill: paste.debian.net/22605 that's the output after login. |
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| 00:42.38 | themill | rebecka: I can't see anything suspicious looking in that at all :( |
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| 00:43.33 | chester_m | anyone knows a solution to wireless usb rtl8187b on debian lenny? |
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| 00:44.22 | themill | !rtl8187 |
| 00:44.22 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Ask me about <wireless tree> to acquire for earlier kernels. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 |
| 00:44.37 | themill | chester_m: as with all rtl wireless drivers, the answer seems to be "it's a mess". |
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| 00:45.50 | chester_m | so i need to update kernel, right? any how-to to guide me? |
| 00:46.29 | abrotman | no, lenny has a .26 |
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| 00:46.39 | themill | chester_m: "wireless tree" might let you compile just that module for your 2.6.26 kernel that you already have, so ask dpkg about that. Other than that, /msg dpkg kernel package |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | he has lenny .. shouldn't need it ? |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 00:47.04 | themill | abrotman: rtl8187b not rtl8187 |
| 00:47.09 | chuck | apt-spy is awesome, props to whoever wrote it |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | i can't read .. leave me alone! |
| 00:48.03 | themill | !glasses abrotman |
| 00:48.04 | dpkg | gives abrotman a pair of coke bottles to help abrotman read the screen. |
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| 00:50.30 | rebecka | themill: well it's allright.. when I run xterm it claims debug2: X11 connection uses different authentication protocol. wich should explain it... I'll just go harras the #netbsd folks now. thanks for you time! |
| 00:50.51 | themill | rebecka: that sounds nasty to fix. Good luck with that! |
| 00:52.17 | geefour | can someone help me forward a port |
| 00:52.48 | geefour | im trying to forward port 1022 from the a vmware hsot to port 22 on the vm |
| 00:52.53 | geefour | the vmware host is externel |
| 00:53.00 | geefour | this way i can ssh my vm externally |
| 00:53.04 | geefour | can someone tell how how todo this |
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| 00:56.58 | adb | geefour: try #vmware |
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| 00:57.24 | geefour | no |
| 00:57.28 | geefour | this has nothing to do with vmware |
| 00:57.33 | geefour | thisis iptables |
| 00:57.37 | geefour | but #iptables isnt helping me |
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| 01:00.32 | rebecka | the swedish aptitude translation in lenny is broken; it asks for J or n and only accepts Y or n should I bugreport (I wouldn't dare to do that without some sort of confirmation...) |
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| 01:02.15 | anonident | just do it |
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| 01:02.31 | anonident | the swedes will thank you |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | rebecka: are you using a swedish keyboard? |
| 01:03.28 | rebecka | abrotman: yup and "se" layout. |
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| 01:03.50 | rebecka | just look at my fancy ä |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | rebecka: if you can get another swede to confirm .. that might make you feel better about it |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | ÃÃÃÃÃ |
| 01:04.07 | abrotman | yay en_US |
| 01:04.40 | rhineheart_m | is there a single command that could be executed in the CLI that would allow root login ? |
| 01:05.18 | anonident | should be |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: su ? |
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| 01:18.04 | dutchfish | hi, i have weird issue on lenny, after changing mac in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persitant-net.rules the default device still gets the old mac (this is a kvm vm) amnually changing it with ifconfig works until next boot, how to make persistant? |
| 01:18.54 | adb | geefour: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m tcp -p tcp --dport 1022 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 22 |
| 01:19.00 | dutchfish | s/amnually/manually |
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| 01:22.16 | mrec | hi, does someone know a good application for capturing videos from an analog TV tuner? |
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| 01:27.14 | dutchfish | anyone else knows how to change the mac adress in lenny persitant? |
| 01:28.11 | Ian_Daniher|XO | dutchfish: there's a tool like macchanger or some such thing, however I don't know if it actually works or not |
| 01:28.12 | adb | add mac in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:28.14 | dutchfish | also, if i remove 70-persistant-net.rules it is not recreated |
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| 01:28.48 | adb | 70-persistant-net.rule is recreated on re _boot |
| 01:28.51 | dutchfish | adb, thats a possibility i have not tried, because i thought udev should handle this |
| 01:29.05 | dutchfish | adb, it is not recreated on reboot |
| 01:29.20 | adb | here yes |
| 01:29.27 | dutchfish | adb, what can be wrong? |
| 01:29.37 | adb | i dunno |
| 01:29.43 | dutchfish | adb, this is a fresh basic lenny install |
| 01:29.51 | dutchfish | adb, under kvm |
| 01:30.02 | adb | ah |
| 01:30.32 | adb | i don't use this |
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| 01:31.03 | dutchfish | adb, still, it should recreate those rules on reboot or at least let me alter the mac in them |
| 01:31.19 | dutchfish | adb, however no go |
| 01:32.00 | dutchfish | adb, ifconfig eth0 hw ether [mac] does work, but that is not persitant |
| 01:32.05 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:32.18 | dutchfish | adb, hold on i try |
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| 01:32.31 | wald0 | what is the new keyring for lenny ? |
| 01:32.45 | wald0 | for apt-key |
| 01:33.02 | adb | use etch ones |
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| 01:34.41 | wald0 | what is the command to add it ? |
| 01:34.52 | LnxSlck | hello |
| 01:34.58 | LnxSlck | whats the command to change the keyboard layout |
| 01:35.06 | abrotman | !tell LnxSlck about keymap |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | wald0: did you install debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 01:35.43 | LnxSlck | !teel me set up x |
| 01:35.43 | adb | wald0: use ELIVE |
| 01:35.50 | LnxSlck | !tell me set up x |
| 01:36.09 | LnxSlck | !tell me drxx |
| 01:36.14 | adb | setxkbmap us |
| 01:36.16 | LnxSlck | !tell drxx |
| 01:36.44 | dutchfish | adb, i just tried the change in interfaces, no go, it still get the old adress |
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| 01:37.17 | abrotman | !tell LnxSlck about selftell |
| 01:37.20 | adb | dutchfish: so , i dunno more |
| 01:37.31 | dutchfish | adb, ok, thanks anyway |
| 01:37.37 | adb | welcome |
| 01:37.39 | LnxSlck | k |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | dutchfish: i thought stew got you going the other night ? |
| 01:37.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, one part yes |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:38.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, udev is playing tricks again on me |
| 01:38.22 | dutchfish | abrotman, cant change mac on eth0 9under kvm) |
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| 01:38.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, apart from using ifconfig on the commmandline, but that is not persistent |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | really ... |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman | you could script it to be consistent |
| 01:39.24 | dutchfish | sure |
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| 01:40.15 | adb | dutchfish: http://qemu-forum.ipi.fi/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3737 |
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| 01:40.30 | dutchfish | but 1. 70-persistent-net.rules does not work. 2. hwaddress ether [mac] in interfaces doesnt work either |
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| 01:42.20 | rhineheart_m | what would be the command if I want to remove the kubuntu and just leave the system files? I mean.. I won't be using GUI but CLI only |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: you'd ask #kubuntu |
| 01:44.00 | dutchfish | abrotman, found the culprit .... darn udev |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | not surprised |
| 01:45.57 | dutchfish | abrotman, udev refuses the given mac by the command line option to start the kvm vm, instead it uses the 70-perstant-net.rules, if deleted it wont recreate, but you can trigger recreation by temperary using another nic-driver, when it sees changed hardware, it will run the recreation of the 70-pers rules |
| 01:46.21 | dutchfish | abrotman, i consider that a bug |
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| 01:48.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, i wonder how to trigger recreation of certain udev rules by command ... hmmmm |
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| 01:49.23 | dutchfish | adb, thx again |
| 01:49.28 | adb | np |
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| 01:50.05 | deadcat | when i run minicom, it uses ttyS1, shouldnt it be using ttyS0? |
| 01:50.13 | deadcat | if so, what option do i use? |
| 01:50.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, got finnally my stealth bridged firewall with kvm running |
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| 01:51.00 | abrotman | deadcat: depends where the device is |
| 01:51.12 | deadcat | abrotman: how can i find out? |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | dutchfish: and this was your goal for thanksgiving? :) |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | deadcat: look ? |
| 01:51.23 | dutchfish | abrotman, :) |
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| 01:51.37 | abrotman | deadcat: it's a serial device in the back ? |
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| 01:52.02 | simonrvn | hi people |
| 01:52.03 | deadcat | abrotman: ya. theres 1. which i had in there before the new install and it used to work fine |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | deadcat: so try ttyS0 |
| 01:53.20 | deadcat | abrotman: how? |
| 01:53.30 | deadcat | cant seem to fine the option or config file |
| 01:53.34 | abrotman | minicom is pretty easy to use .. it has a freaking menu system |
| 01:53.41 | deadcat | abrotman: oh. |
| 01:54.30 | deadcat | abrotman: nope. dont know how |
| 01:54.38 | abrotman | ctrl-a z |
| 01:54.42 | abrotman | O |
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| 01:54.50 | deadcat | ah. O |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | Serial Port Setup |
| 01:55.41 | abrotman | deadcat: yeah .. that pesky cOnfigure option ... |
| 01:55.47 | stoned | hey simonrvn |
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| 01:56.08 | terrorpup | hi, can anyone explain to me how I can change my cdrom to dvd, I remove the cdrom and install a dvd burn but /dev/ doesn't show any sr it still show everything to cdrecorder |
| 01:56.24 | deadcat | abrotman: never saw that |
| 01:56.33 | stoned | terrorpup, do you have a combo drive? |
| 01:56.42 | stoned | terrorpup, or its a cdrom only? |
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| 01:57.17 | terrorpup | cd recorder died i replace it with a dvd burner |
| 01:57.23 | stoned | ok |
| 01:57.33 | terrorpup | it can burn cd |
| 01:57.38 | stoned | uhuh |
| 01:58.00 | stoned | so you can burn cd AND dvd but you can't playback DVD but you can playback CD? |
| 01:58.32 | terrorpup | is there a command in deba\iab to detect new hardware? |
| 01:58.50 | deadcat | abrotman: hmm... do i save as or save as dfl? |
| 01:59.02 | simonrvn | hello stoner |
| 01:59.03 | stoned | terrorpup, look in dmesg |
| 01:59.04 | simonrvn | :P |
| 01:59.09 | stoned | hey man I'm baked :D |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | deadcat: dfl ? default ? |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | stoned: stop, take it somewhere else |
| 01:59.45 | simonrvn | abrotman: i started it, it's ok |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | no, he did hours ago |
| 02:00.08 | simonrvn | oh. nm me then. |
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| 02:00.36 | stoned | simonrvn, but you restarted it! |
| 02:00.43 | terrorpup | stoned: I want to switch anything that pointing to /dev/cdrw --> hdc to /dev/sr0 --> /dev/hdc |
| 02:00.52 | terrorpup | maybe that will make more sense |
| 02:01.19 | stoned | so its just a symlink to /dev/hdc then |
| 02:01.21 | stoned | create one |
| 02:01.25 | deadcat | abrotman: yay |
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| 02:03.47 | stoned | simonrvn, its good. |
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| 02:05.28 | blevuo | so I generated a download script using the --print-uris option of apt-get to download the update packagelists from the source servers on a webconnected pc. i know you can provide the offline pc's apt-get with directory variables by "apt get -o Dir::foo::bar='/whatever/' " but i dont know what directory variable to use for the downloaded packageLIST archives, these were not the ordinary packages. |
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| 02:07.33 | abrotman | blevuo: dpkg-scanpackage .. create a packages list and point it to your filesystem .. man sources.list for the syntax |
| 02:07.36 | abrotman | thinks |
| 02:07.42 | terrorpup | sorry my son played with the computer can someone please repost the answer if there was one to my question |
| 02:08.05 | deadcat | i am trying to setup a pxe boot server, but i use udhcpd, is that enough? |
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| 02:11.17 | terrorpup | my question was how do I change /dev/cdrw --> /dev/hdc to /dev/sr0 --> /dev/hdc? |
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| 02:11.54 | adb | deadcat: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 02:12.08 | deadcat | adb: tnaks |
| 02:12.14 | adb | np |
| 02:13.14 | rhineheart_m | how to know system up time? |
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| 02:13.23 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: ask #kubuntu |
| 02:13.32 | rhineheart_m | abrotman, I'm debian |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: you were using kubuntu 30 minutes ago |
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| 02:13.50 | terrorpup | rhineheart: uptime |
| 02:13.57 | daxroc | any one use voyage here ? |
| 02:14.01 | terrorpup | it any linux |
| 02:14.02 | rhineheart_m | It was just that I have kubuntu virtualbox |
| 02:14.20 | rhineheart_m | thanks terrorpup.. abrotman hated kubuntu :) |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: we do NOT support kubuntu users here |
| 02:15.07 | terrorpup | rhineheart_m: np |
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| 02:15.24 | blevuo | abrotman i dont fully understand what you mean with dpkg-scanpackage im on ubuntu really but as apt is common. also im not using dpkg or not directly at least. i using synaptic. will doing apt-get update also update synaptic or partially or fully update synaptic sourcelist plus others mentioned in apt.conf.d lists? |
| 02:15.37 | rhineheart_m | sorry abrotman. it was wrong sent actually.. I support sending it in kubuntu channel |
| 02:15.40 | terrorpup | why not abrotman, kubuntu is base on debian as any of buntu |
| 02:15.48 | rhineheart_m | *supposed |
| 02:15.55 | dmoerner | !debian based |
| 02:15.55 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 02:15.58 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. abrotman |
| 02:16.11 | abrotman | terrorpup: we cannot support the bazillion debian based distros here |
| 02:16.18 | abrotman | for multiple reasons |
| 02:16.25 | rhineheart_m | bazillion? what does it mean? |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | blevuo: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:16.40 | terrorpup | abrotman: I can't get anyone to support me an I am debian |
| 02:16.48 | daxroc | goes to build his own distro ... |
| 02:16.57 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: imagine if #debian supported every debian-based distro .. there'd be thousands of people here, and the distros aren't debian so we'd be giving bad advice |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | terrorpup: when the system boots, what devices does it create for the optical drive? |
| 02:17.22 | rhineheart_m | yeah. Got your point. YOu're correct abrotman. |
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| 02:19.08 | terrorpup | abrotman, it still show this under /dev for my new dvd burner /dev/cdrw --> /dev/hdc, so I want to change it to /dev/sr0 if could |
| 02:19.26 | abrotman | terrorpup: technically, it doesn't matter what the human readable device is, as long as it points to the correct actual hardware device .. you could have it be /dev/awesomeness0 if you wanted |
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| 02:19.45 | blevuo | apt-get is debian |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | blevuo: but ubuntu patches it, we have no idea what changes they've made |
| 02:20.04 | onetinsoldier | i've seen too many cases where someone's issue is at the point of being answered.. then boom! oh, i found out why your instructions aren't working.. i'm using (whatever debian derivative here), guess i should have mentioned that. then they have to go to the proper place(which is not #debian) anyway |
| 02:20.17 | abrotman | terrorpup: if you look in dmesg .. what name does it get? |
| 02:20.23 | Guerin | blevuo: do you ask Ford about all your car problems, because Henry Ford invented the mass-produced automobile? |
| 02:20.33 | terrorpup | abrotman: cool thanks, I am about to set up dvd drivers to play dvd so I want to make sure |
| 02:20.48 | terrorpup | abrotman: let me check |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | terrorpup: i'd just stick a CD or something in the drive and see if it works |
| 02:21.04 | blevuo | i mean that I am on ubuntu now, this is a liveCD i just downloaded the sourcelist packages on this webconnected pc going to carry them to my debian in my room |
| 02:21.34 | blevuo | which has no internet as mentioned earlier |
| 02:21.56 | terrorpup | abrotman: well this good. Debian does see it as a dvd |
| 02:22.00 | terrorpup | hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, (U)DMA |
| 02:22.00 | terrorpup | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:22.21 | Guerin | blevuo: ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:22.28 | Big-E | Hey guys, I have a server that doesn't have a optical drive install, just a tape drive (bought it like that) and I am trying to boot off a flash drive and install via netinstall, however I am having trouble installing drivers for my NIC - any suggestions? |
| 02:22.36 | blevuo | now that I think of it i never used the ubuntu apt-get i made the updatescript on the debian so I only used wget from ubuntu but the packages are here |
| 02:22.55 | Guerin | blevuo: are you using something like apt-move? |
| 02:22.57 | blevuo | Guerin I need info of the debian apt-get and not the ubuntu one |
| 02:22.57 | terrorpup | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:23.05 | abrotman | Big-E: what is your NIC ? |
| 02:23.12 | abrotman | blevuo: you're still using ubuntu .. not Debian |
| 02:23.31 | abrotman | Big-E: and which installer are you using? (does it have a floppy drive?) |
| 02:24.36 | terrorpup | abrotman: one more question: is there a web page explain how to set up debian for dvd play back? |
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| 02:24.54 | abrotman | depends on the DVDs i'd imagine .. |
| 02:25.05 | Big-E | It does have a floppy drive, yet i've no disks. |
| 02:25.10 | abrotman | none? |
| 02:25.16 | blevuo | no i did apt-get -qq --print-uris update > somefile, then awk'd them to a wget script all in debian and brought this here to ubuntu on usb key, it downloaded the files correctly.Back on debian I dont know if i can put them in the normal package cache as its not really packages but packagelist packages |
| 02:25.21 | abrotman | Big-E: so what's the NIC? |
| 02:25.25 | Big-E | I`d rather just boot off the flash disk, it boots fine and runs through most of the install but fails at detecting NIC. |
| 02:25.38 | Big-E | Just a second, I am hooking up monitor to boot - I forget the mdoel. |
| 02:25.51 | streuner_ | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:25.51 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 02:27.24 | abrotman | Big-E: and which installer are you using? |
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| 02:28.26 | Big-E | Its a intel 82546EB (DUAL Gig) |
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| 02:28.39 | abrotman | and which installer ? |
| 02:28.48 | slv | if i want to install from cd do i have to download all 21 cd iso's? |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | !d-i slv |
| 02:28.54 | dpkg | slv, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:29.53 | Big-E | Well, origianlly used 40r4a |
| 02:29.58 | slv | i've already been there abrotman, i'm just hesitant to download 21 cd iso's |
| 02:30.03 | Big-E | But then someone suggested using testing for the latest drivers. |
| 02:30.06 | Big-E | Though, it never helped. |
| 02:30.09 | terrorpup | abrotman: I think I found something, I wanted to install libdvdcss2 so I can play all my dvd with vlc, xine and mplayer. Thanks. |
| 02:30.27 | onetinsoldier | slv: you can't do a netinst? |
| 02:30.36 | abrotman | !tell terrorpup about dmm |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | slv: you only need the netinst |
| 02:30.52 | slv | onetinsoldier: the onboard wireless is broken on this laptop so i'm using a usb wireless device... will that be autodetected? |
| 02:30.57 | abrotman | Big-E: do you have the pci id of the device? |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | Big-E: it may require firmware .. |
| 02:31.18 | Big-E | 03:02.0/1 |
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| 02:31.24 | onetinsoldier | slv: i dunno. i have my doubts. does the system have a dvd drive? |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | that's the device .. not the pci id .. lspci -nn |
| 02:31.35 | roger_ | whats the command to update the list of available kernel modules? |
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| 02:31.42 | abrotman | depmod -a |
| 02:31.48 | slv | onetinsoldier: yeah |
| 02:31.52 | Big-E | 8086 |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | slv: what's wrong with the netinst ? |
| 02:31.59 | Big-E | :1010 |
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| 02:32.03 | slv | onetinsoldier: better to go with the dvd install then? i'll try the netinst first |
| 02:32.06 | onetinsoldier | slv: aren't dvd's available for download rather than cd? |
| 02:32.11 | abrotman | slv: use the netinst |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | it's 160MB or so |
| 02:32.20 | roger_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:32.34 | abrotman | e1000 0x00008086 0x00001010 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | should work with lenny |
| 02:32.56 | Big-E | But not etch? |
| 02:33.00 | abrotman | checking |
| 02:33.20 | onetinsoldier | slv: roger.. good luck to you :-) |
| 02:33.26 | roger_ | hmm, installed ndisgtk and installed the driver but when it goes to modprobe the ndiswrapper module it says module not found, what am i missing? (debian lenny) |
| 02:33.28 | abrotman | seems it should work with etch too |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | Big-E: you sure you've got the cable in the right plug ? |
| 02:34.01 | slv | i'm sure i can get this usb wireless thing working in general but i'm not sure if it'll work with the initial install... that was a problem i had with the fluxbuntu install that was on this laptop |
| 02:34.15 | Big-E | Just a seocnd,I will try the other one. I am pretty sure I did, but it`s better to double check. |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | Big-E: or plug them both in? :) |
| 02:34.35 | Big-E | "no ethernet card found" |
| 02:34.40 | onetinsoldier | slv: yeah.. i hear that |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | Big-E: and the netinst does have enough for a base system |
| 02:35.16 | Big-E | okay, brb then - that will require me to unplug this computer. |
| 02:35.27 | onetinsoldier | slv: you can always try. you might be pleasently surprised. you going to try and install etch or lenny? |
| 02:35.34 | Big-E | Really? |
| 02:35.52 | abrotman | Big-E: sure .. you can just tell it you don't have http sources .. to use the CD .. and you'll get a running system |
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| 02:36.16 | Big-E | Cheers, I will try both eth plugged in first, then that. |
| 02:36.21 | Big-E | Thanks. |
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| 02:36.39 | abrotman | Big-E: if you just do the netinst .. you can reboot as much as you want trying both ports |
| 02:37.04 | blevuo | in #ubuntu Yahovah: blevuo: Ask in #debian |
| 02:37.07 | sylarr | how do I 'ls -l dirbegi*' a dir of some form without ls showing the content of the dirs of that form? |
| 02:37.10 | slv | onetinsoldier: which one do you recommend, what're the main differences between the two |
| 02:37.37 | abrotman | blevuo: not if you're using ubuntu .. and you can tell him that |
| 02:38.01 | Big-E | both didn't work, so I guess I will try installing base then go from there. |
| 02:38.32 | abrotman | Big-E: you're using lenny now ? |
| 02:38.37 | onetinsoldier | slv: how old is the laptop? either way, i would recommend lenny tho. it's currently called 'testing', but it's frozen and will be the stable release after some time. you'll be glad you installed it instead of the soon to be 'old' etch |
| 02:38.58 | slv | http://gensho.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:39.15 | onetinsoldier | slv: that would be for 'etch' |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | slv: if you're going to install etch, use the etchnhalf netinst |
| 02:39.28 | slv | laptop is a year or two old, intel core 2 duo, intel chipset with x3100 gfx |
| 02:39.47 | slv | oh i see |
| 02:39.50 | Big-E | I am using the current testing release. |
| 02:39.52 | blevuo | abrotman: what exactly does 'using ubuntu' mean to you? the fact that im using Debian as my operating system in my room but couldnt quickly find my debian liveCD? this computer is not mine and windows. perhaps im "using windows" too then? the location where i do apt-get was,is and will be debian |
| 02:39.55 | onetinsoldier | slv: either etchnhalf as abrotman said.. or lenny should be fine on that.. i would think |
| 02:39.58 | slv | one's the stable one's the rsync or whatever |
| 02:40.13 | abrotman | blevuo: okay, i told you to look at dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 02:40.39 | onetinsoldier | not rsync.. one is etch/stable/4.05r other is lenny/testing/5.0 |
| 02:40.39 | slv | where's the lenny one |
| 02:40.52 | abrotman | slv: debian.org/devel/debian-installer .. get the rc1 |
| 02:40.53 | blevuo | true but I use apt-get and wouldnt like to harm its functioning. |
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| 02:40.59 | slv | yeah not rsync, i'm mixing up my terms/contexts |
| 02:41.07 | onetinsoldier | 4.0r5* i mean |
| 02:41.36 | onetinsoldier | slv: try here.... i think, |
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| 02:41.42 | slv | got it, thanks guys, i'm gonna grab it and burn it and hopefully install it in a couple hours, i'll let you know how it goes :-D thanks for all the help |
| 02:42.11 | onetinsoldier | slv: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | little slow .. |
| 02:42.32 | slv | do i want lenny rc1 or the weekly snapshot |
| 02:42.34 | onetinsoldier | current weekly snapshot of Debian testing |
| 02:42.40 | Big-E | abrotman, should I try the daily build? |
| 02:42.58 | abrotman | Big-E: you used rc1 ? it's the same kernel |
| 02:43.05 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: i already told him what to get |
| 02:43.15 | onetinsoldier | slv: daily build if you want to try it, up to you |
| 02:43.17 | Big-E | Yes, I used rc1. |
| 02:43.23 | abrotman | Big-E: it's all the same kernel |
| 02:43.24 | Big-E | The card is old, so it should work fine. |
| 02:43.27 | Big-E | Ok |
| 02:43.40 | slv | i'll give it a whirl |
| 02:43.43 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: ok.... sorry |
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| 02:51.10 | zl_benson | Are Intel i7 processor based servers supported by Debian? |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | are they supported by linux? |
| 02:52.07 | Big-E | abrotman, I get a message "No kernel modules were found, this porbably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the install and the kernel version availble in the archive" |
| 02:52.12 | Big-E | That is probably my issue, no? |
| 02:52.18 | Guerin | i7 is just another fucking x86 chip, innit? |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | when the system booted ? |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | Guerin: yes |
| 02:53.00 | zl_benson | Do I use the amd64 ISO? |
| 02:53.00 | Guerin | man, the marketing really works |
| 02:53.22 | Guerin | people think i7 is a whole new kind of processor, not just the latest in a very fucking long line of expensive upgrades |
| 02:53.59 | zl_benson | Pardon my ignorance, I'm a noob. |
| 02:54.23 | rgr | I have 4 debian systems set up 3 at home. one at work. All running sshd. I instaled fail2ban on them all. I setup no prompt public key access for all of them and updated authrized-keys files. Can log in great. I didnt bother changing the ssh port since I was told hackers scan anyway. Assuming none of the keys are compromised is this secure "enough"? I see from my logs that there are heaps of people from all around the world banging away |
| 02:54.23 | rgr | at the ssh entry point. none gaining of course and fail2ban is doing its stuff. Any other steps I could take? |
| 02:54.28 | boggy | zl_benson, no. |
| 02:54.59 | zl_benson | boggy, which one do I use? |
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| 02:55.11 | boggy | i386 |
| 02:55.11 | Guerin | zl_benson: if you have to ask, use x86 |
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| 02:56.08 | zl_benson | boggy, Guerin, thank you both for your input. |
| 02:56.12 | Guerin | rgr: yes, that's about what you need to do. If your keys are strong and kept secure that's mathematically about as good as it gets. |
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| 02:56.25 | Guerin | rgr: and yes, there's not much point in changing the port. |
| 02:56.52 | rgr | I must say ssh and pub key is great. Just open a autoh.log on a remote machine using emacs. No pass or anything. Superb. |
| 02:57.18 | Guerin | rgr: are you using passwordless keys, or ssh-agent or something? |
| 02:57.26 | rgr | passwordless |
| 02:57.35 | Guerin | recommend ssh-agent instead |
| 02:57.44 | blevuo | I now know by certainty that the pgps and packagelists are not downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives as ive apt-get updated and seen while as it slowly downloaded the files one by one both that directory and partial subdir didnt receive files |
| 02:57.45 | rgr | I copied them over using scp over ssh so the transfer was secure. |
| 02:57.53 | Guerin | passwordless keys should only be used for totally automated stuff in known-secure environments |
| 02:57.54 | rgr | And to be honest theres nothing really ecure on the machines. |
| 02:58.21 | slv | if i do want to install from cd ultimately, how many of the 21 .iso's do i <need> to download for the install |
| 02:58.23 | Guerin | sure there is |
| 02:58.29 | slv | i'm assuming i don't have to download every single one of them |
| 02:58.29 | rgr | Guerin: yeah, I kind of thought of that. Next time I generate the keye I'll probably add a short prompt too. |
| 02:58.52 | Guerin | your machines have bandwidth and disk space, the two most-coveted commodities to kiddy-pr0n dealers and spammers |
| 02:58.55 | rgr | Guerin: but that pass is an added layer right? |
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| 02:59.00 | Guerin | rgr: yes. |
| 02:59.05 | rgr | Guerin: yes, I realise. |
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| 02:59.39 | rgr | But since the machines use many bit dra keys I think they are secure enough. nothing is transmitted plaintext. |
| 02:59.43 | adb | !netinstall |
| 02:59.43 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 02:59.53 | rgr | but I do take your point to be "extra safe". |
| 02:59.57 | adb | slv: ^^^ |
| 02:59.58 | Guerin | sounds likely |
| 03:00.24 | slv | adb we've been over this, i'm asking if i want to install from cd, not netinst |
| 03:00.35 | slv | there's 21 cd .iso's, i don't necessarily need all of them do i? |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | the netinst is a CD |
| 03:00.52 | Big-E | abrotman, yes when the system boots and the image loads, I get that messed. then it asks "Continue the install without loading kernel modules?" |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | that's weird |
| 03:01.07 | slv | if i netinst but then can't detect my usb wireless though, if i have to download the cd set |
| 03:01.08 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:01.11 | abrotman | see .. netinst .. iso |
| 03:01.21 | Big-E | That`s what I am using. |
| 03:01.26 | rgr | slv: usb wireless? Wow .... |
| 03:01.42 | slv | jesus christ all i'm asking is if i have the set of cds how many do i NEED to have to install |
| 03:01.47 | Big-E | I think it may be the bootloader I am using with the flash drive, maybe? |
| 03:01.49 | slv | and how many are extra stuff i might not need |
| 03:02.10 | rgr | slv: the problem is that the stuff you might need might be on any one of X cds ... |
| 03:02.33 | slv | damn |
| 03:02.38 | rgr | And I would strongly suggest using a sable for the netinst ... |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | slv: you need the first one .. that's it |
| 03:02.45 | rgr | s/sable/cable |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | it's your bandwidth .. waste it however you'd like |
| 03:03.00 | slv | abrotman: and then after that i can just use the repos to grab stuff right |
| 03:03.02 | rgr | and then run the first one using a cable connectn and bobs your uncle |
| 03:03.02 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:03.15 | rgr | slv: thats how I did it. Yes. |
| 03:03.18 | slv | ok cool thanks |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | slv: or you could use the netinst .. and do the exact same thing |
| 03:03.47 | slv | i'm gonna do netinst first but if it doesn't detect the wireless |
| 03:04.02 | abrotman | slv: did you even tell us what your wireless is ? |
| 03:04.11 | slv | yeah hold on |
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| 03:04.58 | rgr | slv: if you have a cable ..... oh ok. Give it a go. I thought USB Wireless were still pretty much a no no but maybe things have moved on in installer land :-; |
| 03:05.01 | slv | dynex usb wireless g |
| 03:05.22 | slv | i suppose worse comes to worst i can go downstairs and plug into the router |
| 03:05.43 | rgr | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/08/hands-on-dynex-.html |
| 03:05.51 | slv | the problem is this laptop was "vista-ready" which really means "shite xp drivers"... so i'm on xp right now and not everything quite works right |
| 03:05.53 | abrotman | slv: chipset would be more helpful |
| 03:06.13 | slv | my chipset? intel 965g |
| 03:06.38 | slv | everything in ubuntu worked pretty much off the bat |
| 03:06.45 | rgr | "just say no" "garbage" and another link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494803 says Ubuntu cant work with it. |
| 03:07.03 | rgr | Out of date Howtos :-; |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | no .. the wifi chipset |
| 03:07.41 | abrotman | or at least a model number of the device |
| 03:07.48 | slv | oh ok hold on |
| 03:07.52 | rgr | thats the gfx not the wifi |
| 03:07.55 | slv | i have the box |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | rgr: i'm not asking you :) |
| 03:08.11 | rgr | I know. I wasnt talking to you. |
| 03:08.26 | abrotman | rgr: the 965 is the motherboard chipset |
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| 03:09.50 | slv | 965g is the mobo chipset, x3100 is the gfx |
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| 03:10.23 | abrotman | slv: AFAICT .. you need ndiswrapper |
| 03:10.33 | slv | ok |
| 03:10.39 | rgr | sorry. thought it was a grpahics chipset. Was sure it was. |
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| 03:10.57 | slv | rgr i think the x3100 is the standard gfx on the 965g |
| 03:11.05 | slv | so people refer to it as 965 |
| 03:11.14 | slv | but that's the chipset in general |
| 03:11.19 | slv | i'm pretty sure |
| 03:11.40 | slv | alright i'll be back later, thanks for putting up with my constant similar questions over and over :-D |
| 03:12.20 | rgr | slv: I can only tell you from my own experience that it can be very frustrating havnig HW gving problems at install. I had cases where installer recognised net card and then the insalled image didn't for example. Take out the frustration and use the cable and then plug in the wireless. It might well save you a lot of grey hair and give a better feeling about Debian. I love it now. |
| 03:12.58 | abrotman | slv: so roughly, you're not going to have wifi during install |
| 03:13.33 | slv | yeah definitely, i'll probably end up doing it like that |
| 03:14.19 | slv | i know ubuntu recognized most if not all of the hardware so i'm hopeful i won't have any big problems |
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| 03:17.21 | rgr | slv: best of luck. |
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| 03:35.09 | geefour | hey, can someone tell me how to save my iptables rules on debian |
| 03:35.13 | geefour | so when i restart i dont lose them |
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| 03:37.18 | abrotman | iptables-save ? |
| 03:37.56 | geefour | no |
| 03:38.35 | geefour | that only shows them |
| 03:38.35 | geefour | right? |
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| 03:40.52 | onetinsoldier | geefour: you have to pipe the output into a file |
| 03:41.13 | mogi | hey are ubuntu related questions off limits here? |
| 03:41.19 | onetinsoldier | mogi: yep |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | mogi: yes, please go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 03:41.57 | mogi | i did, they dont have any clues, too basic a level |
| 03:42.11 | abrotman | then wait |
| 03:42.24 | mogi | i get responses like what is ldap |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | you asked ##linux ? |
| 03:43.32 | mogi | trying now, thanx |
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| 03:43.42 | geefour | grr |
| 03:43.46 | geefour | onetinsoldier: once i do that |
| 03:43.50 | geefour | how do i get it back? |
| 03:43.52 | onetinsoldier | geefour: what's up? |
| 03:43.59 | geefour | iptables-restore /file/location |
| 03:44.00 | geefour | ? |
| 03:44.02 | onetinsoldier | what command did you do? |
| 03:44.03 | abrotman | geefour: iptables-save .. you have to read the man page .. |
| 03:44.16 | geefour | hmm ok |
| 03:44.17 | whj | hifi, when I try to enable my MAXTOR 320G NCQ, I use "echo 31 > queue_depth" |
| 03:44.19 | abrotman | and the same with iptables-restore |
| 03:44.29 | whj | but it failed with "Invaild argument"..any idea? |
| 03:44.31 | onetinsoldier | yes.. first, read the man page. use bash redirection to save the output to a file |
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| 03:45.10 | geefour | ok |
| 03:45.12 | geefour | well |
| 03:45.17 | geefour | once i do iptables-save |
| 03:45.20 | geefour | where does it save too |
| 03:45.21 | geefour | ? |
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| 03:45.32 | onetinsoldier | geefour: ok. i needed to read the man page myself |
| 03:46.02 | abrotman | geefour: read the man page .. |
| 03:46.03 | whj | sorry, I mean hello, not "hifi".. :) |
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| 03:47.25 | Katrina | Wow a lot of people |
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| 03:49.13 | onetinsoldier | geefour: i don't think it saves it anywhere. you need to do something like the following... iptables-save > my_iptables |
| 03:49.24 | Katrina | Hey anyone know where I can find Sarge? |
| 03:49.30 | abrotman | archive.debian.org |
| 03:50.00 | onetinsoldier | geefour: from the man page... Use I/O redirection provided by your shell to write to a file |
| 03:50.30 | Katrina | oh so the old "repo"/dists/sarge is no longer in effect |
| 03:50.44 | onetinsoldier | geefour: that's all i can tell you. i used a gui to set up my firewall |
| 03:50.49 | Katrina | ohhhh I see abrotman ...now I can use the old script I have ..thanks |
| 03:51.02 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: so just let him read |
| 03:51.47 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: i think he read, but still didn't understand the it doesn't get saved. shell redirection 'must' be used |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | he didn't read very much then .. |
| 03:52.35 | onetinsoldier | perhaps not... |
| 03:53.12 | Bryanstein | hey onetinsoldier how are you running iptables-save? are you running it from /etc/init.d/iptables save ? |
| 03:53.21 | Bryanstein | or just iptables-save ? |
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| 03:53.39 | abrotman | Bryanstein: that script is gone from etch/lenny/sid .. unless you made your own |
| 03:54.05 | Bryanstein | if you have the debian /etc/init.d/iptables script it saves it somewhere like /var/lib/iptables/ |
| 03:54.13 | onetinsoldier | Bryanstein: nope. i can't help much with it. i don't know 'iptables'. heck, as i said above, i used a gui to set up my firewall |
| 03:54.17 | Bryanstein | you'll have active inactive and what ever you name |
| 03:54.47 | Bryanstein | well ls /var/lib/iptables/ |
| 03:54.49 | Bryanstein | show that |
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| 03:55.42 | Elite | Guys, I just did my 5th reinstall in 2 days and after the first boot I keep getting "Begin: Waiting for root file system" in debian etch |
| 03:55.46 | abrotman | Bryanstein: that init script is gone .. i just said that |
| 03:56.49 | a-s | Linux works nice on the new laptops Macbook ? |
| 03:56.59 | Bryanstein | well either way... onetinsoldier just do iptables-save > /etc/firewall.conf |
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| 03:57.17 | abrotman | he's not the one with the problem |
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| 03:57.55 | Bryanstein | then put a line in your /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 03:58.07 | onetinsoldier | Bryanstein: you'll want to direct it at geefour |
| 03:58.19 | Bryanstein | ohhhh |
| 03:58.22 | Bryanstein | geefour, lol |
| 03:58.23 | Bryanstein | do that |
| 03:58.27 | Elite | Guys, I just did my 5th reinstall in 2 days and after the first boot I keep getting "Begin: Waiting for root file system" in debian etch |
| 03:58.29 | abrotman | or read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/iptables/ |
| 03:58.46 | Bryanstein | #!/bin/bash |
| 03:58.46 | Bryanstein | iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.conf |
| 03:59.20 | Bryanstein | put that in the a file called iptables ...chmod 755 it...then it will come up on restart |
| 03:59.44 | Bryanstein | Elite, did you md5sum your iso? |
| 03:59.48 | abrotman | 755 ? |
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| 04:00.18 | Bryanstein | yes abrotman why the ? |
| 04:00.25 | abrotman | why the 755 |
| 04:00.39 | onetinsoldier | Bryanstein: i think it's because a .conf file should not need to be executable |
| 04:00.40 | Bryanstein | well as long as the owner has execute doesn't matter |
| 04:00.42 | abrotman | what's the point of giving a user execute access ? |
| 04:00.44 | Bryanstein | it's for boot |
| 04:01.04 | onetinsoldier | Bryanstein: nvm.. my bad |
| 04:01.09 | Bryanstein | well you are right about that |
| 04:01.12 | Bryanstein | COMPLETELY |
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| 04:01.19 | onetinsoldier | my bad...i re-read above |
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| 04:01.24 | stew | you'd want /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ instead of if-up.d |
| 04:02.05 | Elite | Bryanstein, no but I used the ISO to install to a vm |
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| 04:05.40 | shams | our company develop open source projects. is this true that we have a unique project in the source forge for any project of company? or we must have one project in sf.net contains all internal company projects? |
| 04:06.05 | SQlvpapir | do as you like |
| 04:06.19 | SQlvpapir | admins will notify you if they think you suck |
| 04:06.36 | SQlvpapir | and bye |
| 04:06.50 | abrotman | shams: iirc there is a sourceforge irc server |
| 04:07.31 | abrotman | irc.sf.net .. if you can find the right channel |
| 04:08.57 | shams | abrotman: thank you. how can i change server with command in irc? |
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| 04:14.29 | nullboy | hey, i'm not so familiar with the Debian media naming scheme; what is the difference between the images in the mirrors named: debian-40r5-i386-CD-1.iso and debian-update-4.0r5-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 04:15.55 | onetinsoldier | nullboy: sorry, i don't know that one myself. i'm running lenny |
| 04:16.20 | nullboy | onetinsoldier: lenny would be the one they call "testing" on the mirrors? |
| 04:16.24 | onetinsoldier | aka 5.0 |
| 04:16.41 | onetinsoldier | yes... lenny/testing/5.0 |
| 04:16.47 | nullboy | great thanks |
| 04:16.50 | onetinsoldier | yep |
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| 04:18.21 | nullboy | onetinsoldier: which method would you recommend to install lenny? |
| 04:18.33 | nullboy | the netinstall or a full 650mb cd? |
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| 04:19.09 | onetinsoldier | nullboy: the netinstall if at all possible. you on wireless internet connection? cable/dsl? |
| 04:19.26 | nullboy | i've got cable |
| 04:19.40 | nullboy | ~6mb so...500k down |
| 04:19.47 | onetinsoldier | nullboy: cool. then netinstall should give you much problem |
| 04:19.53 | nullboy | nice |
| 04:19.58 | onetinsoldier | shouldn't* !! |
| 04:20.04 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 04:20.35 | nullboy | I'm a slackware-current user but i'm looking for a distro that supports PAM so I want to give Debian testing a shot |
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| 04:21.18 | onetinsoldier | nullboy: ah, i see. i heard slack was the original linux! iirc |
| 04:21.38 | nullboy | one of them i suppose, don't need to start some epic flame in here though ;) |
| 04:21.44 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 04:22.01 | onetinsoldier | !start a distro war |
| 04:22.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 04:22.09 | nullboy | lol |
| 04:22.17 | onetinsoldier | !slackware |
| 04:22.17 | dpkg | slackware is probably a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg |
| 04:22.22 | onetinsoldier | !redhat |
| 04:22.27 | onetinsoldier | !red hat |
| 04:22.27 | dpkg | [red hat] apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge |
| 04:22.32 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 04:22.34 | nullboy | lmao |
| 04:23.05 | wad | I've got a large pile of JPG files that are too large. I need to decrease the res on them, to make the filesizes smaller. Problem is, the debian server where the images are stored has no GUI, so I need to use a command-line app (which I prefer anyway). Can anyone here recommend one? |
| 04:23.09 | onetinsoldier | i wonder why he say sarge... sage is ancient now.. really ancient. not as ancient as ham.. but still |
| 04:23.15 | onetinsoldier | sarge* |
| 04:23.42 | onetinsoldier | i guess maybe because.. you gotta salute the sarge! |
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| 04:24.46 | onetinsoldier | wad: a stab in the dark would be an imlib2 util |
| 04:24.47 | nullboy | wad: imagemagick should do it |
| 04:25.04 | wad | Thanks guys! I'll take a look at those. |
| 04:25.05 | onetinsoldier | ahh, that would be another |
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| 04:26.59 | wad | Wait... what does imagemagick require the package x11-common? I don't want any X on my server. |
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| 04:27.38 | stew | wad: for xpm support, for the 'display' x client, probably many others |
| 04:28.39 | stew | wad: why don't you want x11-common on your system? |
| 04:28.40 | onetinsoldier | wad: i think never mind on the imlib1 or imlib2 util.. i think they are libraries for X utils only. |
| 04:30.07 | onetinsoldier | x11-common is just librarie.. you won't end up having X on your system if that's all it want to install |
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| 04:30.18 | onetinsoldier | library* |
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| 04:31.22 | flourish | a small question. It works several months before but now it refuse. I can associate ed2k in iceweasel with amule |
| 04:31.29 | flourish | can someoen help me |
| 04:37.54 | simonrvn | !tell flourish -about ask |
| 04:38.24 | nullboy | metaquestions = kittens die |
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| 04:42.10 | flourish | ok, howto associate iceweasal with amule so that i can link on an ed2k URI; Mozilla Iceweasel 3.0.3, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org |
| 04:42.36 | flourish | I have add two items about ed2k in about:config but it doesn't work |
| 04:42.58 | simonrvn | and what's wrong with right click copy and paste found url into amule? |
| 04:43.01 | flourish | network.protocol-handler.app.ed2k and network.protocol-handler.external.ed2k trun |
| 04:43.04 | flourish | yes |
| 04:43.19 | flourish | junk character |
| 04:43.24 | flourish | i am a chinese |
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| 04:45.10 | ultra | hey, I deleted the init script out of my ircd-hybrid package after i messed it up and then tried to reinstall the package, but it didn't reinstall the init script |
| 04:45.13 | ultra | how do I get it back? |
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| 04:46.42 | brokenlinux | all - my /boot has become full, what is the best way to deal with this problem? |
| 04:47.23 | brokenlinux | apt-get remove on old linux kernel failed - at least the first one did because it was too full |
| 04:47.31 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: you have a lot of kernel images in there? |
| 04:47.39 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: oh |
| 04:47.50 | brokenlinux | i had 5, i tried to remove 1 |
| 04:47.58 | brokenlinux | so i have 4 that appear to be there |
| 04:48.02 | brokenlinux | and one broken package now |
| 04:48.20 | brokenlinux | so the files don't appear to be there but the disk is still really full |
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| 04:49.18 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: how about going there and manually removing some of the 'config'(config-2.x.x-blah) files for a few of the oldest kernels? |
| 04:49.19 | ultra | anyone know how I can get that init script back? |
| 04:49.21 | brokenlinux | i should have paid closer attention before letting the last update go through but now -- well here we are :( |
| 04:49.29 | brokenlinux | ok |
| 04:49.59 | brokenlinux | the config file appears to have been removed already actually |
| 04:50.06 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: we canprobably get you fixed up |
| 04:50.27 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: how many old kernel images do you have in there? |
| 04:50.28 | brokenlinux | i hope so :-) |
| 04:50.41 | brokenlinux | there appear to be 4 currently on the actual disk |
| 04:50.57 | brokenlinux | but problem is that the dpkg seems to think that there is a 5th still there |
| 04:51.00 | brokenlinux | that is "broken" |
| 04:51.28 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: ok, how about manually deleting the kernel image for the one that is broken? |
| 04:51.30 | brokenlinux | but the dpkg is failing with exit status 1 because the System.map for that version of the kernel was deleted already |
| 04:51.57 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: we'll get that fixed... |
| 04:52.14 | mhymn_ | !tell ultra -about update-rc.d |
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| 04:52.55 | ultra | mhymn_: I deleted the script out of /etc/init.d |
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| 04:53.10 | mhymn_ | oh |
| 04:53.24 | ultra | isn't update-rc.d only for adding to boot/default/etc? |
| 04:53.25 | brokenlinux | how much space do i need free on the drive for dpkg not to barf? i can copy off some of the other initrd.img files while i let apt-get do its thing |
| 04:53.30 | brokenlinux | does that sound like it would work? |
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| 04:53.43 | brokenlinux | i just don't want to break this any further trying to fix this :-) |
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| 04:53.50 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: manually delete the kernel image for the broken package... or move it to another partition |
| 04:54.07 | mhymn_ | ultra: try purging and then installing again? |
| 04:54.38 | ultra | I'll give it a shot |
| 04:54.44 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: then you cantry something like touch /boot/System.map linux-image ...you get the idea there? |
| 04:54.52 | brokenlinux | yeah |
| 04:54.54 | brokenlinux | hang on |
| 04:54.57 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 04:56.15 | brokenlinux | ok i touched that file |
| 04:56.27 | ultra | mhymn_: thanks, that seems to have worked perfectly |
| 04:56.29 | brokenlinux | so it now has a 0 byte file for System.map-2.6.22-14-generic |
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| 04:56.39 | mhymn_ | ultra: yw |
| 04:56.46 | brokenlinux | do you think i should touch any others? |
| 04:56.57 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: roger.. sounds good to try dpkg --purge or apr-get --purge remove |
| 04:57.05 | brokenlinux | ok |
| 04:57.06 | onetinsoldier | it may still puke |
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| 04:57.47 | brokenlinux | do you suggest i use apt-get or dpkg in this case? |
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| 04:58.25 | onetinsoldier | either one should be fine.. i'm a heavy dpkg user.. but apt-get is good at resolving deps if needed |
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| 04:59.01 | dmoerner | brokenlinux, why are you using ubuntu and asking for help here? |
| 04:59.02 | brokenlinux | i don't think there are any deps issues here so i'll do dpkg -- trust that more personally anyway ;-) |
| 04:59.14 | dmoerner | you just referenced a gutsy gibbon kernel |
| 04:59.43 | onetinsoldier | brokenlinux: yeah.. same reason why i like it a lot |
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| 05:00.46 | brokenlinux | indeed - i'm hoping that isn't a problem for you all - but they were chatting about a lot of other things and frankly its all debian under the hood anyway |
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| 05:00.57 | stoned | 11:54 < dmoerner> brokenlinux, why are you using ubuntu and asking for help here? |
| 05:01.07 | stoned | 11:52 < brokenlinux> so it now has a 0 byte file for System.map-2.6.22-14-generic |
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| 05:01.22 | brokenlinux | yes ... i was typing |
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| 05:02.47 | stoned | brokenlinux, continue your typing in #ubuntu |
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| 05:13.51 | wad | Anyone know of a script that will rename a bunch of files into just a sequence of numbers? The original filenames have spaces, parenthesis, stuff like that. |
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| 05:19.41 | hoxu | !absg wad |
| 05:19.41 | dpkg | wad: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
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| 05:22.35 | giantrobot | how do i add a module to modprobe automatically on startup |
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| 05:28.40 | mhymn_ | giantrobot: /etc/modules |
| 05:28.53 | giantrobot | k thanks |
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| 05:37.16 | SystemFAILURE | How to update from Etch to Lenny having the debian Lenny testing dvd ? |
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| 05:37.58 | pyrohotdog | I've configured exim4 to work with my gmail account, but how do I check mail? |
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| 05:42.29 | mhymn_ | SystemFAILURE: /msg dpkg etch->lenny ? |
| 05:44.19 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: thx lol |
| 05:44.28 | mhymn_ | ;) |
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| 05:47.03 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: mmh but i want to do with the dvd |
| 05:47.13 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: I mean , using apt-cdrom or something .. |
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| 05:47.33 | aisaer_ | hi,all |
| 05:47.36 | SystemFAILURE | aib:: hi |
| 05:47.38 | SystemFAILURE | opz |
| 05:47.39 | SystemFAILURE | aisaer_:: hi |
| 05:48.19 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: how to ? |
| 05:48.22 | mhymn_ | SystemFAILURE: yup, that dvd is actually a lenny repo, i'm not sure whether or not it has all the required package for the upgrade though |
| 05:48.35 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: how can I try ? |
| 05:48.45 | mhymn_ | SystemFAILURE: apt-cdrom add, man apt-cdrom |
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| 05:49.09 | pyrohotdog | How do I set my sources.list to defaults? |
| 05:49.20 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: of course but I mean , after that ? just the 'apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get safe-upgrade && apt-get full-upgrade' ? |
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| 05:49.48 | mhymn_ | yeah, that should work |
| 05:49.56 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: okay thanks |
| 05:49.58 | mhymn_ | use aptitude btw |
| 05:50.15 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: I'm having unstability problems with Etch , so I want to try out Lenny |
| 05:50.30 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: 'cause I suspect that these unstability problems are caused by Etch packages obsolete |
| 05:50.48 | mhymn_ | SystemFAILURE: keep in mind that the dvd may not conatin all the required package |
| 05:51.13 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: in the worst scene I'll install from 0 so |
| 05:51.24 | mhymn_ | :) |
| 05:51.57 | SystemFAILURE | mhymn_:: thank you bye |
| 05:52.02 | mhymn_ | yw |
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| 05:54.58 | mhymn_ | pyrohotdog: there is a backup file in /etc/apt/ |
| 05:55.15 | pyrohotdog | mhymn: thank you. |
| 05:55.19 | mhymn_ | np |
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| 05:58.47 | n-iCe | hola |
| 05:59.12 | n-iCe | hay alguna forma de buscar en una carpeta una parte de un texto? hay muchos textos, que busque dentro de cada uno y me diga en cual está esa frase? |
| 06:00.13 | xoz_ | es? |
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| 06:00.20 | n-iCe | sorry, yes |
| 06:00.25 | xoz_ | !es |
| 06:00.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:00.42 | xoz_ | otherwise you speak english. |
| 06:00.45 | xoz_ | here. |
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| 06:01.00 | n-iCe | is there anyway to find through a folder from a text? I mean in a folder who contains more that 1000 .txt there is a .txt who contains a determinated phrse is there anyway to know which file? |
| 06:01.27 | simonrvn | n-iCe: you mean grep? |
| 06:01.39 | xoz_ | n-iCe: like grep -i "passphrase...." *.txt |
| 06:01.40 | n-iCe | no idea :D |
| 06:01.47 | n-iCe | does it looks inside all the files? |
| 06:01.52 | xoz_ | n-iCe: man grep... |
| 06:01.54 | xoz_ | n-iCe: yep |
| 06:02.01 | n-iCe | and if isn't a .txt |
| 06:02.06 | n-iCe | maybe different .exts |
| 06:02.22 | xoz_ | you can use grep -il "phrase..." *.txt to list all filenames having "phrase..." |
| 06:02.24 | simonrvn | then you do * ... |
| 06:02.32 | swa_work | grep -r |
| 06:02.42 | simonrvn | -r is recursive |
| 06:02.56 | xoz_ | n-iCe: i think you know the drift. just read other options for grep. |
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| 06:03.11 | simonrvn | man grep; grep --help | less |
| 06:03.46 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 06:04.18 | xoz_ | hopes that the man command should provide basic examples... learning by example is faster than reading the description. |
| 06:05.14 | n-iCe | grep -ri 'Unable to retrieve response' * |
| 06:05.17 | n-iCe | is correct? |
| 06:05.28 | n-iCe | looks is working |
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| 06:08.57 | xoz_ | n-iCe: or grep -ril... if you want only the filenames. |
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| 06:22.47 | Gm4n | if my md1 is an ext3 filesystem, is e2fsck /dev/md1 the right thing to use? |
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| 06:23.42 | mhymn_ | man e2fsck ? |
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| 06:25.19 | Gm4n | I'm just making sure, the last time I tried to fsck a raid device I lost my data |
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| 06:27.36 | criten | yes |
| 06:27.39 | criten | fsck will fsck your data |
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| 06:28.17 | n-iCe | hi one more thing |
| 06:28.30 | n-iCe | I have some erros in a text and says, error shalala in line 277 how can I know in a shell which line is it? |
| 06:28.41 | criten | in vi... |
| 06:28.45 | criten | :277 |
| 06:29.01 | n-iCe | ooh |
| 06:29.57 | Gm4n | criten: how should I repair without damaging data? e2fsck -n shows me http://pastebin.ca/1272105 |
| 06:30.24 | n-iCe | and jow ca I quit |
| 06:30.28 | n-iCe | close it criten |
| 06:30.30 | criten | Gm4n, purchase RHEL from redhat.com, and ask them... |
| 06:30.30 | n-iCe | without save changes |
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| 06:30.40 | criten | if its so mission critical, anyway |
| 06:30.44 | criten | then you can hold them liable |
| 06:31.00 | criten | n-iCe :/ |
| 06:31.01 | Gm4n | some parts are mission critical, like the kernel. This is a remote box |
| 06:31.08 | n-iCe | criten: neverd used vi |
| 06:31.09 | n-iCe | how? |
| 06:31.17 | criten | :q! |
| 06:31.26 | mhymn_ | Gm4n: dude, you'd really read the manpage |
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| 06:32.41 | liable | what did i do? |
| 06:32.48 | criten | mhymn_, reading is too hard when you can IRC... right? lulz |
| 06:33.05 | Gm4n | mhymn_: I've tried, but I don't know much about how filesystems work... for example, what a block count is |
| 06:33.17 | mhymn_ | criten: yeah, unfortunately |
| 06:33.20 | criten | Gm4n, so read manual, or hire redhat |
| 06:33.41 | Gm4n | what manual, criten? e2fsck's man page doesn't really explain this |
| 06:33.47 | criten | yes it does |
| 06:33.55 | criten | it explains your question in great detail |
| 06:34.08 | criten | read it, and you'd see? |
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| 06:35.29 | Cheef-Daniel | hi, I have troubles upgrading my mysql-server 5.0 to 5.1 |
| 06:35.36 | Gm4n | criten, I've read it, but there's only so much wisdom that can be imparted in 236 80 column lines |
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| 06:36.18 | Cheef-Daniel | I cant resume the apt-get installation with apt-get install -f, how can I cancel? |
| 06:37.06 | criten | Cheef-Daniel, did apt-get tell you to run dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 06:37.07 | xoz_ | Cheef-Daniel: what is the error message? |
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| 06:41.04 | Cheef-Daniel | criten: no |
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| 06:41.23 | criten | so, as xoz_ requested, what was the error message? |
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| 06:41.49 | mhymn_ | !pastebin |
| 06:41.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:42.06 | Cheef-Daniel | xoz_: it says I should try apt-get install -f before removing the failing one |
| 06:42.34 | criten | so... apt-get remove <failing one here> |
| 06:42.44 | criten | hope you were smart though |
| 06:42.52 | criten | and backed up the mysql databases before you attempted the upgrade :) |
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| 06:45.17 | Cheef-Daniel | apt-get remove mysql-server-5.1 doesnt work: I get everytime the message that I should use apt-get install -f before, but when I use this the mysql-installer errors out. |
| 06:45.33 | Cheef-Daniel | So I cant remove or install new/old packages |
| 06:47.37 | Cheef-Daniel | the error message is the default one with unmet dependencies, but thats wrong because the installer of mysql just fails because of some incompatibility with table types. |
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| 06:49.21 | Cheef-Daniel | how can I stop apt-get trying to get the failing one installed? |
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| 06:51.00 | jelly-home | Cheef-Daniel: you'll have to work around the error in its install scripts |
| 06:51.09 | Cheef-Daniel | got it, wrong package name :) |
| 06:51.28 | jelly-home | Cheef-Daniel: pastebin the actual command ran and the complete output |
| 06:51.35 | jelly-home | run* |
| 06:51.36 | Cheef-Daniel | apt-get remove mysql-server instead of apt-get remove mysql-server-5.1 |
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| 06:57.11 | yoyoliyang | so much people |
| 07:01.45 | xoz_ | Cheef-Daniel: you want to hack the config to solve your problem? |
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| 07:02.02 | Cheef-Daniel | I solved it already |
| 07:02.07 | xoz_ | i see |
| 07:02.19 | Cheef-Daniel | had just the wrong package name |
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| 07:07.41 | simonrvn | Cheef-Daniel: you native? |
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| 07:10.20 | Cheef-Daniel | simonrvn: sorry my englisch is not so good, what do you mean by 'native'? |
| 07:10.55 | simonrvn | Cheef-Daniel: it's ok, you're not ;). |
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| 07:12.29 | Cheef-Daniel | ger ;) |
| 07:12.37 | mhymn_ | simonrvn: he said his englisch isn't good not english. |
| 07:13.24 | vedant | Hi, my wireless connection disconnects whenever the router is restarted. The syslog shows that the kernel assumed the AP was out of range, and disconnected it. How do I get debian to automatically reconnect to the AP? I searched on google, but all posts seemed to be about recompiling the kernel. I hoped there could be a better way than that. |
| 07:14.14 | simonrvn | i know what he said |
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| 07:14.24 | vedant | This is the message in the syslog: kernel: [18473.197865] wlan0: No ProbeResp from current AP 00:1e:40:41:24:84 - assume out of range |
| 07:17.37 | vedant | any ideas, anybody? |
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| 07:19.08 | mimcpher | vedant, are you out of range of your wifi connection? |
| 07:19.19 | mimcpher | that looks like a fairly standard "wifi connection drop" |
| 07:20.21 | vedant | I'm not out of range.. It's just that the wireless router restarts sometimes and the connection drops. I have to then manually reconnect it . |
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| 07:26.49 | Octalot | !sux |
| 07:26.49 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
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| 07:26.59 | Octalot | or ssh |
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| 07:28.47 | fireba11 | great name ^^ |
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| 07:30.05 | Internat | vedant: i would imagine if your wifi router is restarting thats why your connection is dropping.. |
| 07:30.20 | Internat | im sure wifi can be set to automagically reconnect though surely. |
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| 07:31.44 | vedant | I know the connection is dropping because the wifi router is restarting. I can't do anything to the wifi router, so I want to set up debian to automatically reconnect to the AP. |
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| 07:33.06 | criten | you can't do anything to the wifi... |
| 07:33.16 | criten | such as, replace it with a wifi router without the same fault and/or buy a ups? |
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| 07:34.01 | Guerin | possible translation: I'm leeching my neighbour's wifi, and it's inconvenient because he keeps rebooting the router |
| 07:34.19 | criten | err, I do that all the time |
| 07:34.22 | criten | xp auto reconnects |
| 07:34.23 | criten | :D |
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| 07:35.12 | vedant | heh, no, it's the landlady's wifi router. |
| 07:35.33 | criten | vedant, christmas is coming up... sounds like she needs a new wifi router and/or ups |
| 07:35.53 | criten | sounds like you're a nice guy, and it'd benefit you as well :) |
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| 07:37.59 | vedant | it's actually a DSL modem with wifi as an add on. Not much can be done to prevent it from restarting other than putting a real wifi router along with it. Landlady isn't going to buy it, and I'm short of funds these days. |
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| 07:39.21 | ma3x | how do you install zend framework on debian? |
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| 07:40.43 | mhymn_ | ma3x: download it and then install, done! |
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| 07:49.44 | cafuego | Yeah, right. |
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| 07:50.02 | vedant | People keep saying there must be a way to automatically reconnect.. Well, maybe someone could tell me /what/ the way is. :) |
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| 07:50.59 | Aggro | vedant: cron script if nothing else? |
| 07:51.01 | bp0 | i followed the etch->lenny instructions, and now samba is screwed up. only one of four shares is working. i chose to keep the old config file when asked during the upgrade. |
| 07:51.05 | bp0 | any clues |
| 07:51.08 | bp0 | ? |
| 07:52.20 | vedant | Aggro: I guess.. |
| 07:53.11 | bjorkBSD | do i need to do anything special to get sound working? |
| 07:53.51 | jelly-home | bjorkBSD: usually you shouldn't have to, but see /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 07:55.59 | ma3x | mhymn_: i mean isn't there a package for zend? |
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| 07:56.15 | mhymn_ | ma3x: nope, afaik |
| 07:57.17 | nots | hi. Where is sarge repo? |
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| 07:58.34 | jelly-home | !+tell nots -about ado |
| 07:58.35 | dpkg | told nots about ado. |
| 07:59.09 | nots | thx |
| 07:59.19 | jelly-home | upgrade asap, etc, etc |
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| 08:05.55 | vedant | cron script is working now, thanks guys |
| 08:07.17 | nots | loop-aes module does not load into kernel on debian lenny. Where to report? |
| 08:07.38 | onetinsoldier | hi. i have some questions about trying to set up console framebuffer, with ati flgrx driver installed and compilingmy own kernel. what kernel framebuffer options do i need to set, if any? |
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| 08:10.35 | mhymn_ | onetinsoldier: /msg dpkg framebuffer ? |
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| 08:12.50 | rgr | onetinsoldier: this is explained in various places easy to google. Here is a ubunut version http://www.savvyadmin.com/console-framebuffer-in-ubuntu/ . You would need to dig deeper but its probably similar/identical. |
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| 08:16.07 | jelly-home | onetinsoldier: also, bear in mind that free fb drivers and nonfree xorg drivers often don't mesh well |
| 08:16.58 | nighter | m |
| 08:19.50 | xingu | woohoo! leap second being correctly signalled |
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| 08:21.31 | Zoup | can someone please help me analyze pppd output ? : http://rafb.net/p/N5IE9p99.html |
| 08:22.50 | xingu | Zoup: peer isn't willing to give you an ip address by the looks, it's terminating lcp at your ipcp config request |
| 08:23.04 | xingu | Zoup: are you supposed to have a static address perhaps? |
| 08:23.30 | Zoup | xingu: no , sim card is working on external phone |
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| 08:31.02 | xingu | Zoup: well that's where it's failing... :) |
| 08:31.23 | pyrohotdog | mail |
| 08:31.29 | pyrohotdog | Oops, wrong terminal. |
| 08:31.35 | xingu | Zoup: maybe try configuring for an rfc1918 address your end - 10.0.0.1/30 or whatever. |
| 08:33.02 | vaq | How can I remove a package without it trying to stop the service, because when it tries to stop the service it fails and debian doesn't remove the package.. The service is already stopped |
| 08:33.04 | Zoup | xingu: thanks :) |
| 08:34.53 | xoz_ | vaq: are you using sid? |
| 08:35.18 | vaq | xoz_: yes |
| 08:35.35 | xoz_ | cd /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 08:35.43 | xoz_ | vaq: ^ |
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| 08:36.09 | vaq | xoz: and then what? |
| 08:36.14 | shams1 | how can i compress a folder with ZIP format? |
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| 08:36.58 | pyrohotdog | Is it possible to setup exim4 to receive mail? |
| 08:37.03 | vaq | xoz_: Thanks got it fixed. |
| 08:37.04 | xoz_ | check the package.postrm and package.prerm scripts.... comment on the script that stop the service and checks the status. |
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| 08:37.16 | xoz_ | vaq: that's fast |
| 08:37.38 | vaq | xoz_: Ye I found the stop term and commented and removed it again and it worked. |
| 08:37.40 | xoz_ | vaq: you edit anything? or it just worked. |
| 08:37.59 | xoz_ | vaq: now, you can live with sid. just note this directorty location. |
| 08:38.24 | slept | hi, how is the network-thing in the top right corner of gnome called ? I installed kde4 , removed it. Now this gnome network thing has dissapeared, and cause I don't know how it's called I can't look for it /reinstall it ... I created a new accout to see if it's a user specific setting, but it isn't |
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| 08:39.36 | xoz_ | slept: gnome-nettool? or gnome-network-preferences |
| 08:39.41 | rgr | pyrohotdog: yes. |
| 08:39.45 | xoz_ | slept: type in terminal to check |
| 08:40.07 | mhymn_ | shams1: man zip |
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| 08:40.44 | diago | i'm having an issue connecting to a vista share from my debian system. each time i try i get the nt_status_access_denied error |
| 08:40.52 | pyrohotdog | rgr: okay, can it check my gmail? |
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| 08:41.15 | slept | xoz, neither of those |
| 08:41.33 | xoz_ | slept: can you explain what it does? |
| 08:41.56 | rgr | pyrohotdog: I use "getmail" for that. |
| 08:42.23 | xoz_ | diago: more likely authentication or configuration... but it may be a vista issue which we cannot support here. |
| 08:42.59 | xoz_ | diago: you can cut and paste the entire error to google. |
| 08:43.17 | xoz_ | diago: plus vista keyword. |
| 08:43.36 | pyrohotdog | rgr: yea well exim4 is already installed and configured to send mail... |
| 08:44.19 | rgr | I could not use it to send mail as I have multiple accounts and my IP was no good. I used msmtp for that. |
| 08:44.49 | diago | xoz_: i've tried that, i'm finding nothing but sites talking about replacing "valid users" for "users" |
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| 08:45.23 | rgr | exim4 config can be a nightmare IMO and the help resources very unfirendly and liable to "RTFM" you to the incomprehensible manual a bit too quickly :-; Cant remember how I got exim4 working to receive mails but hope to hell it doesnt stop working :-; |
| 08:45.24 | pyrohotdog | I've got it sending just fine, I just don't know how to set it up to receive. |
| 08:45.52 | pyrohotdog | Back to google I s'pose |
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| 08:46.08 | xoz_ | diago: you have to examine the logs of interaction between vista and debian. try enable verbose logging. |
| 08:46.14 | rgr | I will have a look since I cant remember how I got it configured to receive emails to my domain name. |
| 08:46.29 | xoz_ | diago: and tell us the info. |
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| 08:46.42 | rgr | So you have it acting as an smtp server to send email? I guess you only have oe email account to send from? |
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| 08:47.13 | pyrohotdog | Yeah, just one gmail account. |
| 08:47.22 | pyrohotdog | config was surprisingly simple. |
| 08:47.31 | rgr | smarthost? |
| 08:47.49 | pyrohotdog | yep |
| 08:48.30 | rgr | I oculd figure out how to use multiple ones. You have to use the correct gmail smtp server or they rewrite the "from" address. hence I used msmtp. |
| 08:48.38 | rgr | "could not" that should be |
| 08:48.38 | diago | xoz_: umm, ok, been about 3 years since i've used debian so, kinda a noob again. how do i set up smbclient to do the logging? |
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| 08:49.30 | xoz_ | diago: i think -l... man smbclient |
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| 08:50.44 | rgr | thats it : dc_other_hostnames='mydomain.org' in update-exim4.conf.conf. Damned if I remember how I did that though. |
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| 08:52.04 | pyrohotdog | Huh? |
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| 08:53.05 | diago | xoz_: ok, done that but the log file doesn't have any new info in it |
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| 08:53.32 | DragoraN | hi |
| 08:54.13 | SparFux | Hi. |
| 08:54.58 | DragoraN | anyone got working libnss-mysql ? i configured eveything and no logs in auth.log :( i try it on login command and passwd, any idea? |
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| 08:55.27 | DragoraN | anyone got working libnss-mysql ? i configured eveything and no logs in auth.log :( i try it on login command and passwd, any idea? |
| 08:55.59 | vaq | Can I path linux-kernel 2.6.8 with multipath rdac? |
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| 08:58.30 | DragoraN_ | anyone got working libnss-mysql ? i configured eveything and no logs in auth.log :( i try it on login command and passwd, any idea? (sorry, i got connection problems) |
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| 09:04.47 | DragoraN | anyone can help? |
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| 09:10.46 | SparFux | Another thing was missing for my debootstrap installation to work. The internet stuff! I think I only need pppoe and pppoeconf. |
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| 09:11.03 | SparFux | Reinstallation always is a big hassle! |
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| 09:11.22 | DragoraN | anyone pleaaase |
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| 09:11.38 | Aggro | DragoraN: You fail to connect to mysql? |
| 09:12.29 | SparFux | I can only advise to put a special string in every file you modified on your system, i.e. /etc and the like. So then you can grep and copy all your modified files. It's simple, but I haven't been doing this for 10 years now. |
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| 09:12.32 | nocte | hey |
| 09:12.45 | nocte | i have a debian lenny 2.6.27.5, with module madwifi. |
| 09:12.56 | nocte | on the wifi0 interface i have soe lots of "frame" errors |
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| 09:16.55 | DragoraN | Aggro: even if, i dont see error anywhere, not in mysql logs, not in auth.log |
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| 09:18.18 | DragoraN | just foind it works :) |
| 09:18.35 | Aggro | DragoraN: Problem solved? |
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| 09:19.36 | SparFux | Is it advisable to manually edit the --get-selections output file and put some "de.." before all the "install"s. |
| 09:19.37 | SparFux | ? |
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| 09:21.57 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:24.35 | DragoraN | aggro: just password does not work, any idea? |
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| 09:25.22 | Aggro | DragoraN: You can login without password, but not with password? |
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| 09:26.50 | Gigantic | Aggro: system prolly don have a passwd |
| 09:26.53 | Aggro | DragoraN: In MySQL you can specify which username and password is usable from which addresses. Perhaps you have one "account" without password with different origin saved in your user accounts table (I don't remember the actual name of the table). |
| 09:27.03 | Gigantic | you mean in a tty or X session? |
| 09:27.19 | Gigantic | ah mysql... |
| 09:27.30 | nomingzi | for i386 Debian DVD has 3 DVDs and 1 update DVD, i am newbie - wondering do I need "all" DVDs for my i368 (english) installation ? can I just use one DVD for my installation ? |
| 09:27.54 | Gigantic | nomingzi: No just disc 1 |
| 09:28.01 | Gigantic | or netinstall |
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| 09:28.46 | Gigantic | but crazy people like myself download all of them |
| 09:29.19 | Gigantic | Does anyone know whatÅ wrong with my: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: menu is broken or not fully installed |
| 09:30.00 | mogi | can a debian patch be applied to an ubuntu install? or is that very unwise? |
| 09:30.03 | DragoraN | Aggro: password written in mysql does not work :( |
| 09:30.32 | mhymn_ | mogi: ask #ubuntu |
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| 09:31.33 | Gigantic | Oh, the good mysql... |
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| 09:31.47 | Gigantic | psql ftw |
| 09:31.56 | lodder | can lenny be a xen server aka dom0 ? |
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| 09:34.38 | Aggro | DragoraN: How did you write the password in mysql? (remember not to write the actual password here, but show the actual syntax you used) |
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| 09:35.39 | tralala | lodder, no. Xen doesn't work with kernels > 2.6.18 |
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| 09:37.47 | lodder | tralala: so need to install it with a etch kernel and use the hypervisor from lenny ? |
| 09:38.30 | nomingzi | Gigantic: then what are the rest of the DVD (2, 3 and the debian-update-4.0r5-i386-DVD-1.iso) ? |
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| 09:38.53 | nomingzi | Gigantic: why those remaining DVD are not use ? |
| 09:38.59 | lodder | tralala: is there any support forseign in the futher |
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| 09:40.03 | tralala | lodder, sorry I was outdated. |
| 09:40.13 | tralala | !xen |
| 09:40.14 | dpkg | xen is, like, an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 09:40.19 | tralala | see the wiki |
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| 09:41.20 | DragoraN | Aggro: it is stored plain test |
| 09:41.32 | DragoraN | Aggro: it is stored plain text |
| 09:42.11 | Aggro | DragoraN: I am sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to do and what you have done and how you are seeing the problems. |
| 09:42.53 | Aggro | In addition to that, I'm at work, so I can't spend much more time on this. I can suggest you to see the MySQL manual in the internet, in case it shows you how to do what ever you are trying to do. |
| 09:43.02 | Aggro | I need to get back to work now, sorry. |
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| 09:43.19 | DragoraN | Aggro: i use libnss-mysql and i have all setup with one user at table, password is sotred plain text, when i "id testuser" it recognized data from databases, but when i use "login" it cannot authenticate the user |
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| 09:50.00 | chordogg | i'm getting pretty terrible download speeds using multiple bittorrent clients in debian lenny. azureus is bad, bittornado is slow, and even utorrent through wine is slow, anyone know why that might be? utorrent in windows is blazingly fast |
| 09:50.07 | lodder | can xen dom0 have it's root partition on lvm ? |
| 09:50.26 | tralala | why not? |
| 09:50.27 | liable | chordogg: ports are forwarded on your router? |
| 09:50.38 | chordogg | liable: i'm using dmz |
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| 09:50.51 | tralala | provided that you have a separate /boot partition |
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| 09:53.51 | diago | exit |
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| 10:05.14 | afloofloo | my raid device is 8TB, and both fdisk and parted can max make a partition of 1.8TB. how can I make it larger? 32 bit system |
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| 10:08.43 | Gigantic | idt it is possible |
| 10:08.55 | Gigantic | not in a 32 bit at least |
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| 10:19.50 | danielito | hi there. how should I handle the problem with updating the system on production-servers? you cannot be sure that a (security) update of the system runs without problems |
| 10:19.56 | danielito | how do you deal with this issue? |
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| 10:21.01 | petemc | danielito: stable is generally well tested |
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| 10:23.47 | danielito | petemc: but one day there is the point on changing to a new release ;) |
| 10:23.59 | danielito | but well, okay. never had any problems with updates so long.... thx |
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| 10:30.06 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:30.07 | dpkg | <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
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| 10:32.31 | qmr | Any bright ideas for OSS movie editing? |
| 10:32.41 | qmr | (before I break down and just use Windoze Movie Maker) |
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| 10:33.07 | liable | avidemux? not sure if that will do what you want |
| 10:33.08 | petemc | qmr: look at the apps ubuntu studio ships with |
| 10:33.19 | qmr | avidemux is useless |
| 10:33.28 | qmr | basically it can trim clips and recode... that's about it |
| 10:33.39 | qmr | I have cinelerra but it just freezes randomly |
| 10:34.01 | qmr | kino might work... but I have to conver all to DV first... open movie editor can do stuff, but it is not mature |
| 10:34.14 | qmr | WMM ... point click boom done easy intuitive :| |
| 10:34.55 | qmr | I'm taking a girl to the arcade today to play DDR / ITG2 for first time (for her)... going to take some high def video of the event |
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| 10:54.06 | mhymn_ | qmr: cinelerra ? |
| 10:54.30 | qmr | mhymn_: freezes and does nothing when I load something into it |
| 10:54.48 | clarence1 | how do you pack the debian? |
| 10:56.31 | mhymn_ | qmr: kdenlive? |
| 10:57.04 | clarence1 | hello? |
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| 10:57.23 | mhymn_ | qmr: LiVES? VirtualDub |
| 10:57.25 | lodder | what is the lenny domU kernel ? |
| 10:57.28 | qmr | mhymn_: not checked that out yet |
| 10:57.34 | qmr | virtual dub? LAFF |
| 10:57.44 | qmr | that is for like... cutting and doing filters and encoding (which it does great) |
| 10:57.52 | qmr | I don't think you can do star wipes and such with it :p |
| 10:57.54 | mhymn_ | oh, not that one |
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| 10:58.21 | qmr | found kdenlive on google, I have NOT tried it yet. also not tried pitivi |
| 10:58.37 | qmr | as we speak kino is spending about an hour to render a title thing I just tried to make in a dv file... |
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| 10:59.06 | qmr | star wipe ftw: http://www.videomaker.com/article/8570/ |
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| 11:02.06 | mhymn_ | lodder: that's xen related one |
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| 11:03.11 | lodder | mhymn_: becuase I try to install linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 2.6.26-10 but I get /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686 does not exist. Cannot update. i'm installing it in a domU |
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| 11:04.46 | mogi | hey i decided to require ssf=256 on my ldap server, how do i force clients to use same ssf=256? i know thats the cause of the prob by testing and from logs |
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| 11:06.46 | qmr | I wonder if I should just use WMM in interests of getting it done quickly |
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| 11:11.42 | qmr | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp ah that's a classic |
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| 11:15.56 | sylar | I thought that acroread can read postscript |
| 11:16.10 | mhymn_ | lodder: i'm not familiar with xen, but http://wiki.debian.org/Xen might help you |
| 11:16.13 | sylar | but it doesnt' |
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| 11:16.19 | lodder | mhymn_: not really |
| 11:16.22 | sylar | or is it just me? |
| 11:16.24 | shams1 | which is the best for an isp style mail server? exim4, postfix or qmail? |
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| 11:17.02 | sylar | shams1, I wonder too |
| 11:17.12 | sylar | shams1, I use james though |
| 11:17.14 | mhymn_ | shams1: There were no qmail releases since 1998 |
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| 11:17.55 | sylar | mhymn_, it is courier now no? |
| 11:18.18 | shams1 | mhymn_: wow |
| 11:18.22 | simonrvn | courier != qmail |
| 11:18.31 | shams1 | sylar: do you have any how to for james? |
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| 11:19.05 | sylar | shams1, there is james.apache.org |
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| 11:20.00 | shams1 | sylar: do you work with it in debian without any important problem? |
| 11:20.10 | sylar | shams1, yes |
| 11:20.20 | masus | hi all get 100's of this message r8169: eth0 link up does anyone know what it is or how to fix it i use debian etch . Thanks. |
| 11:20.43 | sylar | shams1, it is java, so its installed as java service via the java wrapper |
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| 11:21.24 | shams1 | sylar: do you use james for an isp style mail server? |
| 11:21.37 | sylar | shams1, what is ISP style? |
| 11:21.37 | shams1 | sylar: with many domains, users, and... |
| 11:21.42 | sylar | ah |
| 11:21.56 | sylar | many users , but only one domain |
| 11:22.36 | sylar | shams1, can you program in java? |
| 11:22.45 | shams1 | sylar: no |
| 11:23.20 | lodder | I get constant error : linux-image-2.6-xen-686 depends on linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686; however: Package linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 is not configured yet. |
| 11:23.29 | lodder | how can this be resolved |
| 11:23.30 | sylar | shams1, if you could, then james would have been advantageous |
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| 11:23.59 | shams1 | sylar: ok, thank you my friend. |
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| 11:24.44 | xoz | lodder: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 11:24.45 | sylar | shams1, because it allows to read and process and change the email in java 'mailet's |
| 11:25.25 | lodder | xoz: get the same error when I do that |
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| 11:26.51 | doublehp | Hy :) |
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| 11:27.21 | awk- | hi, how to re-install/initaiate a package, eg locales? dpkg .... ? |
| 11:27.37 | doublehp | dpkg --reinstall |
| 11:27.38 | dpkg | doublehp: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 11:28.24 | KriS|work | 7j #ubuntu |
| 11:28.32 | KriS|work | grr |
| 11:29.00 | orveldv | does someone recall this, there is a package related to fonts that when configured asks if you want sharp or thick fonts ; which one was it?? |
| 11:29.19 | doublehp | awk-: in many case, u dont need to reinst, just reconfigure: dpkg-reconfigure (note that this one is glued, when the previous one is space separated ) |
| 11:29.37 | awk- | thats it! |
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| 11:30.03 | awk- | sorry,been a few months on other distro's grrrr.... |
| 11:30.35 | doublehp | awk-: i know that way :) did not use debian for 2y now :) |
| 11:31.12 | KriS|work | Hi, is there a way to have dpkg install deb's from a directory and resolving all dependencies first? All required dependencies/packages are in this directory. i thought "dpkg -i /directory/*.deb" would do the trick, but many packages fail due to pre-dependency problems |
| 11:31.21 | mhymn_ | orveldv: fontconfig-config ? |
| 11:31.45 | awk- | doublehp: hehe, :) I wan man dpkg and forger it was a dpkg-* |
| 11:31.50 | awk- | forget |
| 11:31.52 | orveldv | mhymn_: thanks, let me see |
| 11:32.15 | bolt-work | moo |
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| 11:34.19 | orveldv | mhymn_: yes that's it, thank you |
| 11:34.23 | mhymn_ | np |
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| 11:40.01 | Gigantic | anyone know how to set 10% reservd for kernel? |
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| 11:42.52 | jelly | Gigantic: 10% of what? Free space on a partition? |
| 11:43.34 | Gigantic | naw |
| 11:43.42 | Gigantic | 10% of cpu |
| 11:43.58 | Gigantic | Iḿ checking at /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 11:43.58 | magnetron | do you want your apps to run slower? |
| 11:44.10 | Gigantic | but Iḿ unsure if it is the right method |
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| 11:44.48 | Gigantic | I want all apps together can never use more than 90% cpu |
| 11:44.59 | Gigantic | well... 97 |
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| 11:45.15 | magnetron | why? |
| 11:45.25 | Gigantic | astrild - cpu 90 |
| 11:45.28 | Gigantic | that it? |
| 11:46.35 | Gigantic | recursive bombs |
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| 11:47.21 | Eulex | Gigantic, I suggest limiting nproc then instead |
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| 11:48.30 | Eulex | cos that _will_ prevent even recursive bombs from even working, for some degree of working |
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| 11:49.29 | Gigantic | mmm |
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| 11:50.32 | Gigantic | rite.. |
| 11:50.44 | Gigantic | what about when apps just get slow |
| 11:51.27 | mxktmdude | hi everyone, i think i am having some problems with my dns server which causes only a few websites to be inaccessible. Is there a way i can debug this issue and figure out the root cause? I run debian etch with bind9. if i ping my domain it fails with host not found, however the server is up and running |
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| 11:52.47 | Gigantic | oh, got it... |
| 11:52.50 | Gigantic | ty |
| 11:54.42 | konr | I just bought a bluetooth dongle and I'm trying to mount my cellphone's filesystem. Documentation everywhere tells me to install program X if I use gnome or Y if I use KDE, but I use fluxbox! Is someone in the same situation? |
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| 11:57.08 | runa_ | can sb exmplain this output of the smart |
| 11:57.11 | runa_ | 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 197 197 000 Old_age Always - 11976 |
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| 12:00.35 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/A1MhHP34.html where are the large data ? i expect a locale, or encoding problem; how to check which encoding was used by ivman (automount) ? which one should i try next time ? |
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| 12:05.34 | Eulex | Gigantic, limiting nproc will not prevent other 'slowness', you could combine it with a limit on cpu |
| 12:07.48 | Gigantic | Eulex: yes, I am checking with cpu... but Iḿ not sure if it is correct |
| 12:08.08 | Gigantic | by time... does it mean Ctime or what? |
| 12:08.25 | Gigantic | Iḿ making a test rite now :p |
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| 12:09.31 | Gigantic | Eulex: I thing it work... I did: nobody hard cpu 1 |
| 12:10.09 | Gigantic | and nobody is doing a recurse, total cpu usage is about 96 |
| 12:10.12 | RichiH | can i make find return with an error code if it did not find anything? |
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| 12:10.47 | Gigantic | Eulex: but I wonder if that would impact some apps that I sometimes leave runing for a few days |
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| 12:11.50 | doublehp | awk-: in many case, u dont need to reinst, just reconfigure: dpkg-reconfigure (note that this one is glued, when the previous one is space separated ) |
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| 12:18.57 | Eulex | Gigantic, if you mean that those apps would use 100% cpu all the time, then yes |
| 12:19.08 | Eulex | they would take longer to finish |
| 12:19.27 | Eulex | Gigantic, but you could perhaps run them as a user that doesn't have a cpu limit |
| 12:19.27 | Gigantic | mmm |
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| 12:21.05 | Gigantic | Eulex: What would be a good parameter for an app to run 100% for two days without being limited? |
| 12:21.10 | hov | the ip of my server changed and ssh is reporting Add correct host key |
| 12:21.17 | hov | how do i do that? |
| 12:21.27 | Gigantic | hov: xss |
| 12:21.29 | Gigantic | relog |
| 12:21.38 | hov | xss? |
| 12:21.53 | Gigantic | is a posibility |
| 12:21.55 | Eulex | Gigantic, good parameter? just don't limit it |
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| 12:22.48 | Gigantic | mm, guess so... |
| 12:22.52 | Gigantic | danke |
| 12:25.11 | hov | yes how do i fix it |
| 12:25.21 | hov | how do i add the key to known_hosts |
| 12:25.33 | hov | it's gibberish in that file |
| 12:25.43 | OpenTokix | hov: when you ssh it asked you yes or no, to add it |
| 12:26.00 | hov | OpenTokix: nope. it says Host key verification failed. |
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| 12:28.10 | Gigantic | hov: sounds to me like you are not sshing what you think you do |
| 12:28.45 | Gigantic | are you using the ip or the hostname? |
| 12:29.40 | Gigantic | if your server is a dhcp server, you may try to renew your ip as well, it should not ask you to add anything |
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| 12:30.27 | pngwn | hov delete the entry in the known_hosts file and then retry the ssh |
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| 12:33.51 | hov | pngwn: how do i delete entry 5? |
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| 12:34.55 | hov | thanks |
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| 12:36.25 | cr3rzemjest | i've installed 'iptraf' but it doesn't tell me a thing. i mean, i see lots of ip's (hostnames if set in options) but i can't see any transfer rates per connections or anything. what do i read/ learn in order to know these things? i know iptables (i mean the firewall thing), tcp wrappers but i would like to know some basic stuff about my connection... |
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| 12:37.08 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: press s then b in the traffic monitor to sort by bandwidth |
| 12:37.54 | cr3rzemjest | petemc, is it possible to view kilobytes not bytes? |
| 12:38.07 | petemc | i dont believe so |
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| 12:38.46 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: have a look at jnettop |
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| 12:40.59 | Gigantic | cr3rzemjest: maybe you want netstat? |
| 12:41.16 | petemc | thats not going to show transfer rates |
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| 12:41.23 | Gigantic | nope |
| 12:41.35 | Gigantic | nvm im sleepy |
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| 12:52.11 | Gigantic | what is the metapackage name for current stable kernel? |
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| 12:52.46 | Eulex | Gigantic, which of them? |
| 12:52.51 | bkw | I use alsa in kernel 2.6.27 with a hda-intel (ich8), but I only get mono sound. Anyone who've had this issue, or knows how to enabled stereo? |
| 12:52.53 | Gigantic | amd64 |
| 12:52.55 | petemc | linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 12:53.00 | Gigantic | ty |
| 12:53.01 | petemc | s/686/amd64/ |
| 12:53.11 | Gigantic | aye |
| 12:53.39 | Gigantic | haven use Debian since potato :P |
| 12:55.02 | tetonca | so you're here for old time sake |
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| 12:56.13 | Gigantic | nah... officially getting back |
| 12:56.27 | Gigantic | my other distro became a sh*t |
| 12:57.19 | tetonca | just kidding. |
| 12:57.24 | nomingzi | i am newbie & I was told that: for Debian (x86) I just need DVD 1 and the remaining DVD 2, DVD 3 are not required, and I am wondering what does DVD2 & 3 containing ? why i don't need them. |
| 12:57.31 | Gigantic | suse is worse every release since with Novel =\ |
| 12:57.52 | petemc | nomingzi: you can install packages over the network, all you really need is a ~100 meg netinstall cd |
| 12:57.59 | Gigantic | nomingzi: u dun need them |
| 12:58.03 | dacs | can someone please help me with SSH, i am having a little issue and i don;t know where to start, at work i use secureCRT to ssh to my Box at home. Just today i am not able to connect to my box using secureCRT it give me this error message " Connection to session Debian failed:The server has disconnected with and error. Server message reads: A Protocol error occurred. Change of username or... |
| 12:58.04 | dacs | ...service not allowed:(myusername,ssh-connection) -> (root,ssh-connection) |
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| 12:58.15 | tetonca | A friend who is never ever going to understand the basics of Linux, though he's run it for 8 years, tried to get me to use SUsE. |
| 12:58.40 | petemc | dacs: can you connect with putty or some other ssh client? |
| 12:58.45 | Gigantic | nomingzi: they are in there in case yopu want to install in a computer with low speed conection or no connection to Internet |
| 12:59.01 | dacs | petemc: yes putty works |
| 12:59.29 | nomingzi | Gigantic: thanks. |
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| 12:59.58 | petemc | dacs: is securecrt trying to use ssh protocol 1? why not just use putty btw? |
| 13:00.54 | Gigantic | tetonca: To be fair my first pc had potato, and switched to Suse because Suse 9.1 was awesome, simply the best suse Ie know... but now Iḿ getting so many problems and there is so damn many bugs and broken stuff everywhere |
| 13:01.03 | dacs | petemc: i like secureCRT because of the Tabs i can open so many connections which i do alot |
| 13:01.22 | Gigantic | tetonca: add to that that people in the irc channel are useless to help like 99% times... |
| 13:01.22 | dacs | petemc: ssh2 |
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| 13:01.51 | petemc | dacs: you could check in auth.log on the server |
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| 13:02.39 | Gigantic | decided to switch after it messed my raid and I lost 10k songs =\ |
| 13:02.54 | Gigantic | so I said... the hell, Iḿ back to Debian |
| 13:03.20 | dacs | petemc: aha secureCRT is still sending my old user info |
| 13:03.39 | dacs | petemc: sorry i didn't mention that i re-install Debian |
| 13:04.02 | tetonca | I've always used debian-based systems. Currently on a minimalist kick with damnsmall. |
| 13:05.46 | Gigantic | tetonca: lol... Debian people and minimalism |
| 13:05.59 | OpenTokix | yeah, lol |
| 13:05.59 | dacs | petemc: i got it to work, thanks to you for pointing me to the right direction. I deleted the session then created a new one |
| 13:06.04 | OpenTokix | Wake up and smell multi-core |
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| 13:07.40 | cr3rzemjest | what's 'P' and 'A' in iptraf? PUSH and ACK? |
| 13:07.52 | cr3rzemjest | or wut |
| 13:08.11 | OpenTokix | cr3rzemjest: http://iptraf.seul.org/2.7/itrafmon.html |
| 13:08.33 | cr3rzemjest | OpenTokix, thx |
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| 13:09.27 | groken | is it possible to boot from a striped or raid5 array created with mdadm? |
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| 13:09.53 | petemc | you can boot from raid1 , not sure about anything else |
| 13:09.58 | valdyn | groken: no |
| 13:10.09 | valdyn | groken: _unless_ you use grub2 |
| 13:10.25 | groken | while researching the matter, i found a post from someone that said you could... grub2? *googles* |
| 13:10.29 | valdyn | groken: and grub2 probably still is to buggy to be used |
| 13:10.53 | Gigantic | btw, maybe later someone help me recover a partition :p |
| 13:10.59 | groken | ahh, shoot |
| 13:11.18 | groken | what actually needs to be raid1/raid-less to boot? |
| 13:11.22 | groken | only /boot? |
| 13:11.28 | valdyn | groken: the kernel |
| 13:11.34 | valdyn | groken: + the initrd |
| 13:12.26 | adb | Gigantic: want debian minimalist ? take a look at .iso > http://212.147.109.22/pub/ |
| 13:12.50 | groken | valdyn: so if i were to take 3 disks, and partition them so that i had lard volumes that were raid 5 and then a small volume that was raid 1 for the kernel and initd, i should be bootable? |
| 13:13.06 | valdyn | groken: sure |
| 13:13.16 | valdyn | groken: a raid1 for /boot, thats all you need |
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| 13:14.26 | groken | valdyn: let me clarify, md0 (from sda1, sdb1, sdc1 all as raid 1) mounted on /boot and md1 (from sda2, sdb2, sdc2 all as raid 5) mounted on / |
| 13:14.38 | marina_ | hi all! |
| 13:14.41 | valdyn | groken: yes |
| 13:14.53 | groken | ok, wonderful. much thanks valdyn ! |
| 13:14.56 | Gigantic | adb: that a live cd? |
| 13:15.03 | marina_ | i have a hardware related question, not sure where else to ask |
| 13:15.17 | adb | Gigantic: yes |
| 13:15.24 | marina_ | trying to build a sata raid array on an adaptec 2610SA card, |
| 13:15.25 | jelly | ##hardware? |
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| 13:15.43 | marina_ | jelly: thanks |
| 13:15.45 | marina_ | will try |
| 13:15.55 | valdyn | i think thats a debian question |
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| 13:16.09 | valdyn | i wonder why its supposed to be a hardware question |
| 13:16.25 | marina_ | the thing is, it is a sata card, but i want to use it with external eSATA connected drives |
| 13:16.46 | marina_ | i have the SATA-eSATA converters but the drives are not recognized when using eSATA |
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| 13:17.01 | valdyn | marina_: they are not getting power? |
| 13:17.04 | marina_ | they are recognized when using SATA directly though |
| 13:17.04 | jelly | marina_: is it a hardware raid card? |
| 13:17.10 | marina_ | yes hardware raid |
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| 13:17.31 | jelly | marina_: does it have battery backup? |
| 13:17.41 | marina_ | jelly: yes |
| 13:17.56 | jelly | good, that usually means it's really hw raid ;-) |
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| 13:18.31 | OpenTokix | marina_: you probably have to put in a hd-spinup delay |
| 13:18.58 | marina_ | the drives are on, they can be read using eSATA card on another machine, but when plugged into that raid card, it just says that the ports are not responding |
| 13:19.20 | marina_ | OpenTokix: what's that? |
| 13:19.34 | OpenTokix | marina_: Raid card usually have a delay you can put in |
| 13:19.42 | OpenTokix | marina_: somewhere in the bios of the raid card |
| 13:19.58 | marina_ | OpenTokix: will try |
| 13:19.59 | OpenTokix | marina_: it waits 0-30-60 seconds for the drives to spinup, before it tries to detect them |
| 13:20.06 | OpenTokix | marina_: hope it solves the problem |
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| 13:21.39 | marina_ | well, it does take an incredibly long time to boot up when at least one eSata is plugged in, as opposed to just a few seconds if i connect them over SATA. will see if hd-spinup delay is something i can try |
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| 13:26.41 | TGLL | I am disgusted with my suse and am ready to throw the thing out. I'm willing to pay for help in setting up a debian system -- ojne that isn't going to MESSS UP at the drop of a hat. |
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| 13:26.56 | TGLL | one that doesn't have any cockamamie ROADMAP. |
| 13:27.20 | jelly | TGLL: mess up/ |
| 13:27.21 | jelly | ? |
| 13:27.49 | marina_ | OpenTokix: there is no hd-spinup delay in my card |
| 13:27.58 | marina_ | at least no option to select it |
| 13:28.21 | OpenTokix | marina_: ok |
| 13:28.32 | jelly | (naturally, the option might be called a bit differently) |
| 13:29.03 | TGLL | With suse, there's a chance that in booting up the machine there will be GRUB Error 15, or something like that. Then the only way to have a usable system AT ALL is to do a New Installation which will reformat the root and /home partitions. |
| 13:29.12 | TGLL | And there is no way to make a bootable disk. |
| 13:29.26 | TGLL | And this crap has happened three times in the last two weeks. |
| 13:29.31 | OpenTokix | TGLL: Error 15 is just file not found |
| 13:29.48 | OpenTokix | TGLL: usually when you are looking on the wrong HD or partition in a multi-hd system |
| 13:29.53 | TGLL | Well, something in there got messed up obviously if a file is not found. |
| 13:30.06 | valdyn | TGLL: every distro has such issues |
| 13:30.22 | TGLL | I have two HDD's. And the booting system should know wheree to find the files. |
| 13:30.23 | valdyn | TGLL: so blaming this on suse is probably a little early.. |
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| 13:30.56 | TGLL | in debian, is there a way to make a bootable disk? |
| 13:31.09 | d-b | yes. many TGLL . |
| 13:31.27 | valdyn | even suse probably still has lilo |
| 13:31.49 | TGLL | That is what I'd want. a say to make a bootable disk ... that saves the partition info and what else is needed in order to BOOT UP what I have. |
| 13:31.54 | valdyn | and it defenitely has grub, which can be used to make a boot disk |
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| 13:32.14 | TGLL | So, with lilo I could make a bootable disk, with no bullshit? |
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| 13:32.58 | valdyn | TGLL: if you have floppies that can store more than 1.44MB, i guess |
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| 13:33.10 | TGLL | Stephan Kunze told me that the function of making a bootable floppy was taken out for this latetst verion. |
| 13:33.24 | valdyn | TGLL: maybe the GUI |
| 13:33.33 | valdyn | TGLL: they cant take out grub |
| 13:33.38 | TGLL | And ... to make a bootable CD ... maybe I can find something about it on the web .. but he couldn't tell me where. |
| 13:33.58 | valdyn | TGLL: a bootable cd is about the same as a bootable floppy |
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| 13:34.09 | gutterpunk | Hi.. Does anyone have experience with setting up a groupware solution for > 40000 users? What are the system requirements, which products should I take into consideration and so on. |
| 13:34.15 | jelly | marina_: is there a manual for that raid controller somewhere? |
| 13:34.54 | TGLL | I'll pay for info on how to make a bootable CD. Any one who can use an extra two hundred dollars? |
| 13:35.10 | valdyn | !fgi |
| 13:35.11 | dpkg | i guess fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 13:35.25 | marina_ | jelly: i have a pdf which i'll look more carefully through now, the model is Adaptec 2610SA |
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| 13:36.01 | petemc | TGLL: theres a list of consultants on debian.org you can pay |
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| 13:41.28 | MacGyverNL_ | Already asked this in #VMWare, but I think it's more of a Debian problem: |
| 13:41.29 | MacGyverNL_ | Converted a Virtual PC virtual disk to a vmware virtual disk. Debian vmware client, windows XP host. VMWare client ends up in "/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off" and prompts "(initramfs)". Anyone recognize this and knows how to fix? |
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| 13:42.43 | pawbie | If I wanted to throttle a file transfer (ie ftp is only allowed 20kbps)... any hints where to start? |
| 13:43.31 | jelly | marina_: I can't seem to find it on adaptec.com |
| 13:43.54 | marina_ | it is a 6-port version otherwise identical to 2410SA and 2810SA |
| 13:44.07 | marina_ | which are 4-port and 8-port respectively |
| 13:44.33 | petemc | pawbie: wget can do that, or trickle is a userspace bandwidth limiter |
| 13:44.37 | marina_ | it is an OEM card which they don't sell separately, so i suppose that is why they don't list it |
| 13:45.13 | pawbie | petemc: Great, thanks. |
| 13:45.26 | babakaboom | marina_, have you tried upgrading the bios for the card? |
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| 13:45.55 | marina_ | it looks like the one installed it the most recent |
| 13:46.07 | babakaboom | marina_, this card seems to be an old raid card. Adaptec might have released some new code for it. |
| 13:48.09 | TGLL | So, would devian be as reliable as Windows ? |
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| 13:53.44 | vrv | Hello :) i have i little, maybe common problem, but unfortunately i could not resolved it: i have no sound from microphone connected to Mic Line to itel hda 801g (stack9227) unfortunately i could not find gain mic or something like that anywhere, maybe any suggestion? |
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| 13:54.24 | pawbie | vrv: Laptop? |
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| 13:55.08 | bulletq | anyone have any idea how to use irc to find websites to passwords, or download stuff? |
| 13:55.09 | vrv | pawbie: with is Desktop: intel 946gzis board |
| 13:55.16 | bulletq | I'm really not at all sure. |
| 13:55.26 | petemc | bulletq: this is a debian support channel |
| 13:55.40 | krypnos | bulletq: that's not a Debian questions, unless you're looking to download debian. |
| 13:56.02 | bulletq | im gonna sound stupid asking what debian is, arent i :D |
| 13:56.14 | pawbie | vrv: You can try the standard troubleshooting -- open up the volume manager (speaker in the panel) and check input source, levels, etc. |
| 13:56.16 | abrotman | bulletq: debian.org .. so i guess you're asking in the wrong place |
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| 13:57.55 | devhell | is this bad? -> [21625.164025] INFO: task hald-addon-stor:3049 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 13:57.58 | devhell | [21625.182398] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. |
| 13:58.31 | vrv | pawbie: thank you, but i tryied, i believe, all in alsamixer, unfortunately i have no sound, or sound from mic at really low level, even if gain control at maximum point with loopback on, as i remember i find some times ago somewhere +20db mic gain switch, but or it does not exist for that chipset, or i doing something wrong |
| 13:58.42 | marina_ | just a question, did anyone here actually try to use a sata raid card with esata drives? |
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| 14:00.42 | Crypticfortune | marina_: just the connector's different. i've made an sata drive "esata" just be leaving it hanging out of the case before =P |
| 14:01.17 | babakaboom | Crypticfortune, I think she means the actual e-sata connector |
| 14:01.18 | Crypticfortune | that said, I've never actually used esata connectors though... |
| 14:01.45 | marina_ | Crypticfortune: i'm looking for someone who can confirm that using a Sata-to-eSata bracket to connect an eSata drive to a sata raid controller actually works |
| 14:02.28 | marina_ | Crypticfortune: the bracket came with my external enclosure |
| 14:02.46 | tralala | marina_, did you try #hardware? |
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| 14:02.52 | Crypticfortune | marina_: i'd be shocked if it didn't... i say try it and find out ^^ |
| 14:03.07 | marina_ | tralala: yes, no conclusing answer from there either |
| 14:03.31 | marina_ | Crypticfortune: that's the thing, i try it and it does not ger recognized |
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| 14:04.05 | babakaboom | marina_, are you running debain on the box in question? |
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| 14:04.09 | marina_ | Crypticfortune: so i am trying to figure out if my bracket is defective (all 4 of them? unlikely) |
| 14:04.12 | marina_ | babakaboom: yes |
| 14:04.34 | marina_ | babakaboom: although the problem arises before it even has time to load the os |
| 14:04.43 | babakaboom | marina_, does debian recognize the drives without them being connected to the RAID card? |
| 14:05.15 | marina_ | babakaboom: i don't have sata controller on that box |
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| 14:05.36 | Crypticfortune | marina_: then what are you plugging the sata-esata bracket into? |
| 14:05.54 | marina_ | Crypticfortune: into a sata raid controller |
| 14:06.34 | babakaboom | marina_, have you tried to poweron the drives inside the raid card menu and then rescan? |
| 14:06.45 | marina_ | Crypticfortune: and the raid card's bios does not recognize the drives unless i plug them in to the sata directly. but i want to use external enclosures and eSATA converter |
| 14:07.01 | marina_ | babakaboom: yep, does not find them |
| 14:07.29 | Crypticfortune | marina_: hmmm that does indeed sound like the sata-esata connector is the problem. that or could the enclosure not powering on be an issue? |
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| 14:09.17 | marina_ | Crypticfortune: the drives work fine with another box through esata. they also work fine on this box using usb (same enclosure, same power source) |
| 14:09.18 | babakaboom | marina_, have you tried the external drives on a different machine with the e-sata connector ? |
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| 14:09.58 | babakaboom | marina_, then it seems like its your adapters |
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| 14:11.43 | marina_ | babakaboom: the thing is, i have 4 separate (though identical) adapters. they cannot all be defective at once, can they? so is this a known limitation of raid controllers? |
| 14:12.31 | Crypticfortune | marina_: ya, i'd blame that sata<->esata bracket then... those things are so not-complicated though, it's hard to imagine them breaking... |
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| 14:12.59 | Crypticfortune | marina_: by adapter you mean sata<->esata adapters? and they all don't work? ya that does seem unlikely.... |
| 14:13.02 | marina_ | Crypticfortune: unless they are defective by design |
| 14:13.16 | babakaboom | marina_, well maybe the raid controller cannot read the information from the disk |
| 14:13.45 | marina_ | babakaboom: if i take the disk out of enclosure, connect to using just the sata cable - works fin |
| 14:13.45 | babakaboom | marina_, when you load it on another machine it probably recognizes it as an external drive but does not read the actual hardware info from the disk. |
| 14:13.46 | marina_ | e |
| 14:14.48 | marina_ | babakaboom: what exactly do you mean by " does not read the actual hardware info from the disk"? i can read all the contents of the disk. |
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| 14:16.05 | babakaboom | marina_, I mean the DMA, UDMA, Model, SerialNO, BuffType etc.... |
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| 14:16.36 | napnap_ | hi all |
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| 14:16.42 | Ayoub | hi all |
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| 14:16.53 | Crypticfortune | marina_: is it possible you're exceeding the maximum cable length using those adapters? (apparently max is 1m) |
| 14:17.00 | Ayoub | do you know an equivalent of checkpoint secure client ? |
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| 14:17.24 | stew | LjL: not here, so far :) |
| 14:17.29 | napnap_ | I begin an installation on a server . I will make a RAID 5 system, and i've a question. What's the better, include the system disk in the RAID or exclude it ? |
| 14:17.36 | LjL | stew: preemptive joining ;) |
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| 14:21.45 | stew | napnap_: hardware raid or software raid? |
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| 14:26.11 | jelly | napnap_: include the system disk in a separate raid1! |
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| 14:27.36 | pivot_ | das für tcng benutzte tcc .. wie installier ich das unter debian? tcc ist da ja unter apt "the smallest ansi c compiler", muss man das wirklich selbst compiliren? |
| 14:28.13 | Crypticfortune | !de |
| 14:28.14 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 14:28.29 | pivot_ | shiat |
| 14:29.52 | pivot_ | erm, using tcng the binary called tcc is not available within the package tcng, do i have to compile it using the sources or is tcc simply available in another package i could not find yet? apt-cache search tcc returns a c-compiler instead of that tool required for tcng |
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| 14:31.41 | pivot_ | ah, nevermind, just figured out that this is why tcc is called "tcng" in debian, just because of that conflict. thanks however |
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| 14:32.29 | SparFux | runs his new Debian installation! :-) |
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| 14:32.51 | Crypticfortune | pivot_: hehe didn't do anything. but looking at tcng it looks like there's a file /usr/lib/tcng/bin/tcc that might be what you're looking for? (I have no idea what tcng is though...) |
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| 14:36.06 | napnap_ | jelly is for a an hardware RAID |
| 14:36.27 | pivot_ | hm, but that one is not linked in /bin or /usr/bin, hence not found |
| 14:36.28 | OpenTokix | SparFux: good for you |
| 14:36.41 | napnap_ | jelly on a separate raid 1 ? I do use 2 disk for the system ? |
| 14:37.02 | SparFux | OpenTokix: That's a hassle, MAN am I happy! |
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| 14:37.18 | SparFux | Of course still many things are screwed. |
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| 14:38.36 | napnap_ | jelly my config is : 6 disk of 500 Go each |
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| 14:39.20 | napnap_ | jelly you tell me to do raid 1 with 2x500 for the system then raid 5 with 4x500 for the data ? |
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| 14:41.38 | pivot_ | is it just a feeling or is tcng unusable in debian....? |
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| 14:42.15 | pivot_ | tcsim is not implemented in tcng, nor can i make some simple example-code run here |
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| 14:43.12 | Ayoub_ | do you know an equivalent for checkpoint VPN-1secure client ? |
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| 14:44.18 | jelly | napnap_: if you're short on disks and your controller can split a single disk and use it for multiple different raid arrays (like linux softraid can), you could use, say, 36GB on all disks for the OS in a raid10 setup, and the rest for a raid5 array |
| 14:44.28 | OpenTokix | Ayoub_: what is the function you are going for? |
| 14:44.54 | jelly | napnap_: otherwise I'd suggest having separate two (smaller, faster) 72GB disks for OS |
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| 14:47.14 | dacs | how can i change the message that comes up when i first login to my system? |
| 14:48.01 | OpenTokix | dacs: /etc/motd /etc/issue /etc/issue.net |
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| 14:48.10 | jelly | Ayoub_: if it's compatible enough with cisco's vpn solutions, "vpnc" might do the trick |
| 14:48.54 | dacs | OpenTokix: |
| 14:49.00 | Ayoub_ | jelly : i don't think so. Cause the checkpoint protocol is propritary. |
| 14:49.02 | dacs | OpenTokix: thank you sir |
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| 14:49.24 | jelly | Ayoub_: sounds fun. |
| 14:49.42 | Ayoub_ | jelly : ;-) |
| 14:50.43 | Ayoub_ | <OpenTokix> : i just want to access remote private network using checkpoint technology |
| 14:50.50 | stoned | hey |
| 14:50.53 | jelly | Ayoub_: yeah, http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/ mentions nothing about checkpoint or VPN-1 |
| 14:50.54 | Ayoub_ | i need a linux client |
| 14:51.05 | dacs | Ayoub_: marhaba |
| 14:51.07 | jelly | Ayoub_: so ask the vendor for a linux client |
| 14:51.16 | stoned | oh |
| 14:51.18 | stoned | arabic speakers |
| 14:51.25 | Ayoub_ | dacs : marhaba. Where are you from ? |
| 14:51.30 | stoned | salaam, kyfa haluk? |
| 14:51.36 | napnap_ | jelly ok thanks for your help. last question ; what is the reason to have the system on other raid system...it is in the case of a crash , for have the system up during the raid 5 reconstruction ? |
| 14:51.47 | stoned | Ayoub_, pakistan here |
| 14:51.55 | dacs | stoned: wtf, i didn't know you speak arabic |
| 14:51.58 | Ayoub_ | jelly : it seams that there is no working client from the vendor |
| 14:51.58 | zrk | i hate arabs. |
| 14:52.02 | dacs | Ayoub_: USA here |
| 14:52.11 | stoned | dacs, my mom is from jordan |
| 14:52.12 | stoned | :) |
| 14:52.16 | Ayoub_ | hi stoned dacs |
| 14:52.24 | Ayoub_ | good |
| 14:52.30 | stoned | whats the lang code cor arabic |
| 14:52.31 | stoned | !ar |
| 14:52.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 14:52.33 | jelly | napnap_: raid5 has performance and recovery issues. |
| 14:52.35 | stoned | no |
| 14:52.38 | zrk | what is your opinion on israel then? |
| 14:52.44 | dacs | stoned: NO freakin' way |
| 14:52.45 | zrk | ;) |
| 14:52.45 | stoned | zrk, ##politics go there |
| 14:52.47 | Ayoub_ | ar |
| 14:52.53 | stew | this is not a social channel. please try #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 14:52.54 | stoned | its ar? |
| 14:53.07 | stew | ##politics is not a political discussion channel either |
| 14:53.12 | Ayoub_ | stoned : yes. Why ?? |
| 14:53.14 | dacs | stoned: no i think abc |
| 14:53.16 | dacs | lol |
| 14:53.19 | stoned | ahh yes |
| 14:53.21 | stoned | no it is |
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| 14:53.25 | stoned | but diff country codes |
| 14:53.36 | stoned | ar-sa for saudi arabia arabic, and like ar_iq for iraqi |
| 14:54.01 | dacs | stoned: i know you for almost 8 yrs from this room, never knew you speak arabic :) |
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| 14:54.08 | stoned | :) |
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| 14:54.13 | jelly | napnap_: ie. if your raid5 breaks, you'd be left without _both_ a working OS and your data; whereas if you have separate raid1 for the OS, you can repair it and make it redundant again in a much shorter timeframe |
| 14:54.14 | stoned | dacs, /join #debian-chat |
| 14:54.21 | dacs | watch abrotman will come now and kick our asses |
| 14:54.30 | Ayoub_ | can you tell me why are you using linux ? |
| 14:54.37 | Ayoub_ | just to know your opinions |
| 14:54.42 | stoned | Ayoub_, this channel is for debian support |
| 14:54.46 | stoned | you can try asking ##linux |
| 14:54.56 | Raven737 | Hi.. i cloned a disk of a debian install, then i changed the /etc/hostname and the /etc/network/interfaces.. now when i use ssh to access it i loose the conenction after about 5 minutes... what's going on? |
| 14:55.02 | Ayoub_ | sure i'm talking about debian |
| 14:55.04 | stew | Ayoub_: please don't take polls in here. |
| 14:55.05 | jelly | !+tell Ayoub_ -about why debian |
| 14:55.05 | dpkg | told Ayoub_ about why debian. |
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| 14:55.46 | Ayoub_ | ok |
| 14:55.52 | jelly | "it works, is dependable, and minimizes maintenance time" |
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| 14:56.04 | Ayoub_ | now for debian, what is the checkpoint secure client ?? |
| 14:56.11 | Raven737 | and i am constantly asked to accpt a new certificate.. what did i do wrong? |
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| 14:56.20 | abrotman | again ... |
| 14:56.25 | jelly | Ayoub_: we still don't know. Ask your vendor. |
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| 14:56.29 | stew | Ayoub_: what is a checkpoint secure client? a vpn? |
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| 14:56.45 | jelly | stew: yet another proprietary vpn, yes |
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| 14:57.10 | Ayoub_ | stew : it's a vpn client for the checkpoint secure remote networks |
| 14:57.41 | stew | it doens't use a standard protocol? |
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| 14:57.54 | LnxSlck | does anyone uses lenny? |
| 14:58.02 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: yes |
| 14:58.03 | Ayoub_ | for your information, i have already searched in internet for this deian client, but didn't find anything |
| 14:58.07 | LnxSlck | OpenTokix, is it usable? |
| 14:58.12 | Raven737 | Question: when i make a clone of a debian system, what do i need to change to run it sumultaneous on the same network? (why is ssh not working anymore??) |
| 14:58.16 | Ayoub_ | that's why i'm asking on the irc channels |
| 14:58.20 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: yes |
| 14:58.25 | LnxSlck | OpenTokix, thanks |
| 14:58.48 | LnxSlck | OpenTokix, do you think that i will having problems, upgrading etch to lenny? |
| 14:58.55 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: Depends on alot of things. - I personally use a sid-box at home, lenny at work (for workstation) and then 20-30 debianboxes stable for servers + 30 suse for servers |
| 14:59.00 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: no |
| 14:59.09 | nocte | hi |
| 14:59.21 | LnxSlck | OpenTokix, this will be a work station, so i think lenny will do just fine |
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| 14:59.30 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: yeah, probably |
| 14:59.32 | jelly | Ayoub_: try searching for a linux client instead, that might be more fruitful |
| 14:59.32 | nocte | after a reboot, i got the following error message : modprobe: WARNING: Unmatched bracket in Ô������à¢ï¿½[ |
| 14:59.39 | xoz | LnxSlck: no problem... if you encounter one, ask here. just continue the cycle: aptitude distupgrade; dpkg --pending --configure |
| 14:59.39 | napnap_ | jelly unfortunately it seems I don't have the possibility to split a disk :-( |
| 14:59.48 | nocte | does someone know how to have more details on this error message ? |
| 14:59.57 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: or apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
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| 15:00.06 | LnxSlck | yes |
| 15:00.10 | Ayoub_ | jelly : even for linux client it doesn't work !! :-( |
| 15:00.10 | LnxSlck | thanks guys |
| 15:00.11 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: after you edited your sources.list |
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| 15:00.26 | LnxSlck | OpenTokix, yes |
| 15:00.28 | stew | one should not use "apt-get -y dist-upgrade" to upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 15:00.59 | Raven737 | Waaaa.. my ssh just kicked me again, wheni try to log in it says my pass is wrong even though it's right.. whats going on?! |
| 15:01.04 | LnxSlck | stew, i'm thinking of sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:01.16 | macondo | I have a running debian installation with gnome; now I'm using it as a screenless server, how do I stop gnome (or X) from starting so that I don't waste precious ram? |
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| 15:01.26 | nocte | I have a debian lenny 2.6.27.5 |
| 15:01.34 | nocte | If someone does have any clue ... |
| 15:01.36 | LnxSlck | macondo, change the inittab? |
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| 15:01.58 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: you can omit the -y |
| 15:02.05 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: not like it will really change anything for you |
| 15:02.10 | LnxSlck | OpenTokix, k |
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| 15:02.15 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: more then you have to press "enter" a few times |
| 15:02.15 | jelly | Ayoub_: like I said, you can always try vpnc and see if it, perhaps, works, if they use IPSec and similar authentication tech as Cisco does. |
| 15:02.30 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: OR are you planning to review and tweak your upgrade alot? |
| 15:02.43 | mhymn_ | macondo: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
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| 15:02.53 | LnxSlck | OpenTokix, not really. i want pidgin and its not avaiable in etch |
| 15:03.03 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: there you go =) |
| 15:03.11 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: you will be fine with lenny |
| 15:03.17 | jelly | Ayoub_: http://fixunix.com/firewalls/69452-vpn-1-checkpoint-linux-client-no-longer-supported.html -- second hit for http://www.google.com/search?q=VPN-1+client+linux&btnG=Search |
| 15:03.24 | LnxSlck | OpenTokix, i'm using debian powerpc btw |
| 15:03.30 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: ok |
| 15:03.34 | OpenTokix | LnxSlck: Never used |
| 15:03.40 | LnxSlck | on my ibook g4 |
| 15:03.51 | jelly | Ayoub_: I've no idea what keywords you used in your search, but it seems your google-fu could be improved |
| 15:03.54 | macondo | mhymn_: and to add it again? |
| 15:04.02 | LnxSlck | it's great, wireless card detected and installed (just needed the firmware files) |
| 15:04.15 | LnxSlck | gnome network manager works great |
| 15:04.16 | mhymn_ | macondo: man update-rc.d |
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| 15:05.17 | mhymn_ | macondo: 'update-rc.d gdm defaults 01' as an example |
| 15:05.18 | xoz | macondo: hey, so you solved your ssh problem in the router? |
| 15:05.28 | SparFux | Hi all. I want to install the old dpkg--get-selections.out file. All the packages in there I don't need I can leave by changing "install" to "deinstall" right? Or will there be a problem with manually changing this? |
| 15:05.33 | macondo | xoz: yes, did you read my pm? |
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| 15:05.49 | xoz | macondo: yeah. so just a reboot solved it. |
| 15:05.58 | macondo | mhhmn_: don't help me! I'm reading the man page ;) |
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| 15:06.45 | macondo | xoz: yes, linksys routers do crash frequently |
| 15:07.24 | stew | LnxSlck: we'd recommend you use aptitude from lenny instead of apt-get from etch to do the upgrade. /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 15:07.27 | xoz | macondo: you can install file-rc. and you just edit runlevel.conf to choose which apps to execute in the init process. the good thing with this is that you use only one file to control rc. |
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| 15:08.04 | vaq | WHY was ocfs2 removed from lenny? |
| 15:08.11 | xoz | macondo: i suggest you replace it with dlink if you have money. or use the firmware not from linksys. |
| 15:08.25 | macondo | xoz: like openwrt? |
| 15:08.36 | xoz | macondo: yeah. it is more stable. |
| 15:08.38 | jelly | vaq: huh? CONFIG_OCFS2_FS=m |
| 15:08.57 | jelly | vaq: which kernel are you using? |
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| 15:09.15 | xoz | macondo: but you have to make sure your linksys is ok. there are linksys where its firmware is locked only to linksys. |
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| 15:09.37 | macondo | xoz: I will now that I'm in vacations. I just didn't try before. talking about file-rc, apt-get says that it has to remove sysv-rc what is potentially harmful. what's happening? |
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| 15:09.56 | xoz | !file-rc |
| 15:09.56 | dpkg | it has been said that file-rc is an alternative startup mechanism for Debian which uses a single configuration file instead of a mess of symlinks. Very cool; check it out: apt-get install file-rc. |
| 15:10.12 | rideh | where does xorg maintain its config information for modules and resolutions now? its not in xorg.conf |
| 15:10.13 | xoz | macondo: no problem. just say yes. |
| 15:10.17 | Tekno | whats wrong with symlinks :| |
| 15:10.45 | stew | macondo: yes, sysv-rc is the default init system in debian, and it is therefore marked as 'priority: required', since you are removing a required package you are getting a big warning |
| 15:11.08 | jelly | vaq: please paste the output of "COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) | tail -1" |
| 15:11.46 | xoz | prefers bsd type init such as file-rc than the standard type in linux. it is much easier to maintain by backing up runlevel.conf |
| 15:12.31 | vaq | jelly: why? |
| 15:12.51 | vaq | jelly: the ocfs2 modules wan't removed but the tools was |
| 15:13.06 | vaq | jelly: Can I mix in the tools package from etch without breaking anything? |
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| 15:13.08 | xoz | thinks the insserv should also support file-rc |
| 15:13.13 | LnxSlck | stew, too late.. i've already began to the upgrade using apt-get |
| 15:13.35 | stew | its not too late |
| 15:14.00 | vaq | jelly: I run 2.6.26.1, all the ocfs2 modules are loaded. However the ocfs2-tools is gone from the apt-get lenny |
| 15:14.03 | LnxSlck | stew, you mean, when using lenny use aptitude instead? |
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| 15:14.24 | stew | LnxSlck: yes |
| 15:14.31 | LnxSlck | stew, why? |
| 15:14.35 | stew | LnxSlck: why what? |
| 15:14.58 | LnxSlck | stew, why use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 15:15.09 | stew | LnxSlck: its got a much better chance of working |
| 15:15.09 | Tekno | it rocs |
| 15:15.11 | Tekno | rocks |
| 15:15.16 | rideh | ? |
| 15:15.17 | macondo | xoz: so shall I simply comment out the line /etc/init.d/gdm? |
| 15:15.18 | rideh | why |
| 15:15.26 | LnxSlck | k |
| 15:15.27 | xoz | macondo: yep. |
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| 15:15.43 | LnxSlck | almost 1gb of upgrade |
| 15:15.44 | LnxSlck | dman |
| 15:15.46 | LnxSlck | damn |
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| 15:16.42 | rgr | I thought aptitude was a curses front end to apt. |
| 15:16.53 | LnxSlck | so did i |
| 15:17.09 | xoz | macondo: very easy to maintain... just backup your runlevel.conf to make sure you can go back to the default one. |
| 15:17.27 | rgr | apparently it has better dependency management. Yet to see it personally and apt-get works great for me. |
| 15:17.42 | rgr | but there must be situations where aptitude is better I guess. |
| 15:17.47 | LnxSlck | what about synaptic ? |
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| 15:18.18 | rgr | That was my next question ... |
| 15:18.21 | stew | rgr: yes, it is a curses frontend and a cli frontend to libapt |
| 15:19.04 | stew | aptitude has for a long time been recommended for upgrading from one release to another. in some cases, apt-get failed for many people |
| 15:19.25 | stew | there are things about the etch->lenny upgrade that make it such that it fails for many people without at least the dpkg from lenny being upgraded first |
| 15:19.36 | LnxSlck | stew, in a few minutes i will tell you how it went for me |
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| 15:20.07 | rgr | apaprently thats all history. I read redently that apt-get is improved and recommended over aptitude by the debian faithful. |
| 15:20.18 | rgr | I'll try and find it. |
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| 15:20.37 | LnxSlck | i'm using apt-get to upgrade etch to lenny right now |
| 15:20.53 | rgr | has no preference to be honest and thinks 3 package managers is a bit of overkill ... |
| 15:21.17 | LnxSlck | i like apt-get |
| 15:21.30 | stew | rgr: there are at least twice that mahny |
| 15:21.32 | stew | many |
| 15:21.52 | rgr | heh :-; Most of us only come across aptitude, apt and aptitude though. |
| 15:21.58 | rgr | oops and synaptic I meant. |
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| 15:22.43 | rgr | Oh, it was sidux which recommend apt-get over aptitude. The plot thickens. |
| 15:22.46 | LnxSlck | synaptic is the one for newbies |
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| 15:22.57 | xoz | there should be a command, dpkg --self-update |
| 15:23.07 | stew | rgr: yes and sidux gave out a lot of other wrong advice, like that you must stop X when using apt-get |
| 15:23.20 | stew | xoz: which would do what? |
| 15:23.27 | rgr | Yeah, I saew that too. |
| 15:23.28 | rgr | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/sidux-says-no-aptitude-please-676569/page2.html |
| 15:23.36 | macondo | xoz: great, I now have 164MB free. before I had 18MB free |
| 15:23.44 | rgr | Interesting nonetheless and shows there is a lot of confusion out there. |
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| 15:24.11 | xoz | stew: or maybe apt-get self-update... never mind. |
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| 15:24.19 | stew | apt-get install apt |
| 15:25.17 | stew | rgr: well i'm just recommending that people follow the advice of the debian release team, that really does pull their recommendations from lots of real world examples, and writes up very detailed documentation on doing what he is doing |
| 15:25.44 | LnxSlck | 3 minutes left.. so far so good |
| 15:25.52 | rgr | I'm sure you are. And I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying there is a lot of disagreement "out there" in web land. What does synaptic use? |
| 15:26.35 | xoz | macondo: really? what did you do? |
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| 15:26.39 | stew | rgr: synaptic is a libapt frontend like apt-get and aptitude |
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| 15:26.58 | nick|away | which iso should i download for macbook pro? ia64, amd 64? |
| 15:27.12 | LnxSlck | another one like me |
| 15:27.14 | stew | nick|away: not ia64 |
| 15:27.17 | macondo | xoz: didn't start gdm nor x11 |
| 15:27.18 | rgr | Which is what confuses me a little. What is front end and back end here. I woudl expect the "back end" to do the library management so them all to perform pretty much identically. |
| 15:27.30 | LnxSlck | nick|away, i'm one my ibook g4 right now |
| 15:27.36 | stew | rgr: the backend does the downloading, basically |
| 15:27.44 | nick|away | stew: then amd64? |
| 15:27.55 | LnxSlck | nick|away, what cpu does it have? |
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| 15:28.01 | stew | nick|away: if it has a 64 bit intel chip, then yes |
| 15:28.10 | nick|away | LnxSlck, i have a macboo pro 2.4 C2D |
| 15:28.15 | nick|away | macbook* |
| 15:28.25 | xoz | macondo: true, from experience, desktop in linux is overkill. for beginners, it is ok..but it is still good to have minimal system. |
| 15:28.28 | LnxSlck | nick|away, so it's an intel |
| 15:28.44 | LnxSlck | nick|away, ia64 |
| 15:28.53 | LnxSlck | or simple i386 |
| 15:28.57 | stew | nick|away: don't listen to LnxSlck |
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| 15:29.03 | stew | nick|away: you don't have ia64, you have amd64 |
| 15:29.18 | stew | ia64 is for itanium. people that have itanium don't have to ask |
| 15:29.19 | LnxSlck | stew, isn't core2duo intel? |
| 15:29.22 | stew | LnxSlck: yes |
| 15:29.29 | stew | LnxSlck: its not itanium |
| 15:29.30 | LnxSlck | oh ok |
| 15:29.36 | rideh | LnxSlck, if its g4 do not use amd64 |
| 15:29.42 | nick|away | stew, you're right :) people have itanium don't have to ask |
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| 15:29.51 | LnxSlck | rideh, i-m using debian powerpc |
| 15:30.09 | macondo | xoz: well, desktop is necessary. this laptop i'm using right now runs gnome. but that server will never have a monitor attached to it. it just runs ssh, apache, mysql |
| 15:30.12 | rideh | LnxSlck, kk good :) got confused bout who was askin the question. that'd end bad lol :) |
| 15:30.20 | LnxSlck | ;) |
| 15:30.20 | nick|away | stew, you make me laugh. does it make a big difference between amd64 and i386 ? |
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| 15:30.45 | rideh | nick|away, what type of computer is it? |
| 15:31.05 | macondo | where is the sound played if I tunnel X over ssh? |
| 15:31.08 | rideh | nick|away, if its prior to mac using the intel c2duo's use powerpc if its a c2d then use amd64 or i386 |
| 15:31.19 | nick|away | rideh, macbook pro 2.4 santa rosa 4 gigs ram, 160 gigs hardrive but without an lcd : ) i'll set it up as an download server |
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| 15:31.34 | xoz | macondo: if you have a laptop and want faster/snappy interaction with minimal mem resources, a window manager like openbox is ok. |
| 15:31.36 | vaq | Did anybody compile ocfs2-tools successfully under lenny? |
| 15:31.53 | LnxSlck | supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: None |
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| 15:31.59 | LnxSlck | this doesn't sound right |
| 15:32.10 | stew | nick|away: there is proprietary software out there that sometimes doesn't have good support for amd64, which makes it slightly more involved to get it working under and amd64 install (but not impossible). this is steadily improving though |
| 15:32.22 | stew | nick|away: if you have 4gb of ram or more, you probably want amd64 |
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| 15:32.35 | stew | LnxSlck: what is giving you that error? |
| 15:32.35 | rideh | just me or did the default dpi for gnome forget to get set in lenny? I am on a 1400x1050 14" panel and everything looks as if i'm running 1024x768 |
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| 15:32.41 | LnxSlck | stew, apt |
| 15:32.47 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 15:32.51 | stew | LnxSlck: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:33.09 | xoz | macondo: instead of full-blown gnome. i don't buy the idea of having a all-in-one solution. the old unix way is to have a separate window manager, separate menu system... as long as they follow standards. |
| 15:33.17 | nick|away | stew, 4 gigs only not more. but i guess i don't need all of it as a download server. i386 is better for me about the application support |
| 15:33.17 | LnxSlck | stew, it was a simple apt-get update and then dist-upgrade |
| 15:33.24 | stew | rideh: it should be calculated at runtime, you can check your dpi setting with "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" |
| 15:33.33 | rideh | stew ty |
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| 15:33.43 | cr3rzemjest | conky shows i'm downloading data at rate of kb/s even though there are no active tcp connections in 'iptraf'.... how to figure out which process is it? |
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| 15:33.51 | cr3rzemjest | *2 kb/s |
| 15:33.52 | cr3rzemjest | xd |
| 15:34.00 | rideh | stew shows 122x127 |
| 15:34.09 | stew | rideh: if its not being calculated correctly, this can usually be corrected by supplying "MonitorSize" in xorg.conf |
| 15:34.16 | Ximal | is there a way to install gnome or kde onto the ubuntu desktop ? |
| 15:34.26 | stew | rideh: what is the size of the monitor? |
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| 15:34.41 | rideh | stew: it recognizes my resolution fine but everything is rendering huge - 14.1" 1400x1050 |
| 15:34.43 | cr3rzemjest | i'll check again |
| 15:35.33 | stew | rideh: this all sounds correct to me. it doesn't seem like your dpi is the problem |
| 15:35.40 | rideh | stew: ibm t61p nvidia quattro 570m |
| 15:36.07 | rideh | stew, yea its probably an option in gnome somewhere to scale this all down. just seeems like a wonky default |
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| 15:39.43 | cr3rzemjest | how to stop/kill: smtp, rpcbind, auth, ipp, netgw? |
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| 15:40.42 | onetinsoldier | howdy |
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| 15:41.45 | cr3rzemjest | am i supposed to receive UDP packages from other machines after i set off 'promiscous' mode in iptraf? |
| 15:41.54 | arashOio | mhymn_. labod ride |
| 15:41.57 | cr3rzemjest | i have no open tcp connections except irc |
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| 15:43.24 | rotw | hi, is there a channel for wifi+linux problems or is it ok to ask here? |
| 15:43.42 | magyar_ | hi, is therer a package that replaces "libmime-encwords-perl" in etch |
| 15:43.56 | hoxu | cr3rzemjest, what's the actual problem? Your box can receive a lot of UDP packets in normal situations; for example DNS is done using UDP |
| 15:43.57 | rgr | How often are the nvidia-glx drivers updated for lenny? |
| 15:44.32 | hoxu | rotw, if you are using debian ask here |
| 15:44.38 | rotw | ok |
| 15:45.18 | hoxu | cr3rzemjest, to your question: tried nethogs (thanks for pointing this out beardy;)? |
| 15:45.23 | jlumy | Was debian named after someone's girlfriend Debbie? |
| 15:45.41 | petemc | the deb part of it was |
| 15:46.04 | rgr | my nvidia aer at 173 and the released ones are at 177 |
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| 15:46.35 | cr3rzemjest | hoxu, i see i'm downloading data (2kB/s) after i close xchat and iceweasel; iptraf shows no active tcp connections but lots of incoming udp packages (they're most gnutella-s so i guess it's my neighbour's) |
| 15:47.40 | hoxu | cr3rzemjest, sounds like DHT/P2P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table - should die off eventually |
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| 15:48.42 | cr3rzemjest | hoxu, ok thx |
| 15:49.10 | Ximal | anyone have the url for downloading debian.. |
| 15:49.26 | onetinsoldier | what's paravirtualization support and kvm? |
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| 15:50.05 | hoxu | onetinsoldier, if you don't know it, you don't need it :p |
| 15:50.20 | hoxu | !tell Ximal about debian-installer |
| 15:50.24 | onetinsoldier | hoxu, hehe. i guess i don't need it then |
| 15:50.28 | Ximal | thank u hoxu ! |
| 15:50.30 | onetinsoldier | thanks |
| 15:50.49 | stew | rgr: since lenny was created, there have been 2 afaik |
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| 15:53.06 | Raven737 | What could ssh cause to change the certificate key constantly (well like every 5 minutes) |
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| 15:54.55 | hoxu | Raven737, change certificate key? What output do you get, exactly (/msg dpkg paste)? |
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| 15:56.23 | Raven737 | wel;. using putty on windows.. it says connection lost or something. when i reconnect it askes me to accept a new certificate (diff. from before) but then login no longer works |
| 15:57.39 | atomiku-work | For wlan0: RX packets:8616 errors:11961 dropped:15498 overruns:0 frame:0. How can I find out why the packets are being dropped? |
| 15:57.56 | atomiku-work | My windows laptop, which is connecting to the debian box (wlan0) ping -t's google |
| 15:58.02 | atomiku-work | Some packets get through some packets error |
| 15:58.05 | stew | Raven737: it sounds like you are reconnecting to a different machine |
| 15:58.09 | atomiku-work | 50% packet loss |
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| 15:58.38 | Raven737 | stew: that's what i though, but it has the right hostname in pyttu and i use ip to connect |
| 15:58.56 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 15:58.56 | hoxu | Raven737, logging in with username/password? |
| 15:59.01 | xoz | Raven737: are you passing thru a firewall? |
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| 15:59.27 | fabrizio_ | ciao |
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| 15:59.37 | fabrizio_ | !list |
| 15:59.38 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to fabrizio_ |
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| 15:59.46 | Raven737 | stew: nm, don't see hostname on connect try when it fails. No, i am being routed to diff. subnet but that;s it. using ip though so i am very sure it's the right machine |
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| 16:00.18 | Raven737 | hoxu: yes, first time it works, once i get kicked the login fails with access denied |
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| 16:00.47 | hoxu | Raven737, I wouldn't be so sure it's the right machine, I would be getting my password changed right about now |
| 16:01.06 | xoz | Raven737: ssh -vvv |
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| 16:02.13 | Raven737 | oh just got the message again, it said "server closed unexpectedly" |
| 16:02.55 | hoxu | mmm |
| 16:03.32 | xoz | all the description is not the meat of the matter. show the logs. |
| 16:03.55 | Raven737 | xoz: can't copy/paste so have to write off screen: OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.6 OpenSSL 0.9,.7e |
| 16:04.18 | Raven737 | xoz: which log? |
| 16:04.33 | xoz | Raven737: use script from bsdutils... use ssh -vvv for verbose interaction. |
| 16:04.58 | xoz | Raven737: do you have access to the ssh server? run it in foreground debug mode. |
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| 16:05.30 | xoz | Raven737: get as much as info as possible about the real deal... then we will have more info to troubleshoot. |
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| 16:06.25 | Raven737 | xoz: yes, ok will try and report back, thanks! |
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| 16:07.01 | xoz | is going to sleep... night. |
| 16:07.56 | stew | Raven737: what did you mean by "certificate"? do you mean the ssh-host-key? |
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| 16:09.20 | Raven737 | stew: yes, i guess so. Putty asks me once per server normally.. then i never see it again.. here i see it constantly |
| 16:09.57 | onetinsoldier | is there a console command that shows what processor(cpu) i have? |
| 16:10.04 | hoxu | Raven737, I would be very worried about the integrity of the username/password you've provided when connecting |
| 16:10.12 | avu | onetinsoldier, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:10.26 | onetinsoldier | avu, hey, thank you |
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| 16:12.01 | Raven737 | hoxu: well it's not connected to the internet directly (and not ports are forwareded to it) i started to have the problems only on a lcone that i made of a main system |
| 16:12.12 | stew | Raven737: the only way that would change on a server is if the server administrator were actively changing it |
| 16:12.18 | nick|here | is it possible to boot onto an external monitor while set up? i have a macbook pro and it doesn't have a fn kind of switch to switch to an external monitor |
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| 16:12.57 | stew | Raven737: if it is changing, you are getting a different machine, or you should speak to the system administrator of the machine you are connecting to to verify the new host key |
| 16:12.59 | hoxu | Raven737, clone? Don't tell me those boxes are trying to use the same IP |
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| 16:13.10 | Raven737 | stew: are you sure? no way something is doing it automatically becuase of some missconfiguration>? |
| 16:13.23 | hoxu | Raven737, you are not getting connected to the same server |
| 16:13.39 | Raven737 | hoxu: well no, /etc/networking/interfaces was the first thing i changed |
| 16:13.45 | Raven737 | hostname the next |
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| 16:14.10 | Raven737 | using ifconfig i see that it really is the new ip address (and doesn't change) |
| 16:14.26 | Raven737 | but all my crontabs where gone too |
| 16:14.28 | stew | Raven737: yes. i'm sure. it is thoeoretically possible that the system administrator has implemented some system whereby he is changing his host-key automatically, contstantly, but this would tend to defeat the purpose of having a host key in the first place |
| 16:14.56 | stew | Raven737: in either case, you are connecting to a different machine, or you should speak with the system administrator of the remote machine to verify the change in ssh-host-key |
| 16:15.04 | enouf | onetinsoldier: there's also some info about it in dmesg, lshal - and utils such as 'dmidecode -t processor', lshw, hwinfo ... |
| 16:15.20 | hoxu | Raven737, well, something in your network config is screwed up, and there's not much we can do without more info |
| 16:15.47 | Raven737 | stew: uh oh.. i sort of am the sys admin >_< |
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| 16:16.25 | enouf | Raven737: you mentioned something about cloning the main system? checked the z25 file? |
| 16:16.28 | hoxu | Raven737, just a blind question, but how did you change the hostname, exactly? How are you connecting? By hostname or IP? |
| 16:16.32 | Raven737 | hoxu: any easy way to 'reset' it? |
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| 16:16.32 | onetinsoldier | enouf, hello. how you doing today? thanks for the info. i have been meaning to check out at least the lshw command to see what it looks like. i will run it now. thanks |
| 16:16.55 | Raven737 | enouf: z25?? what? |
| 16:16.59 | enouf | onetinsoldier: sure, np - i'm fine thanks - gotta run though ;-) |
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| 16:17.07 | enouf | !tell Raven737 -about z25 |
| 16:17.14 | Raven737 | hoxu: by ip, changed the /etc/hostname :( |
| 16:17.20 | onetinsoldier | enouf, roger that. take care man |
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| 16:18.25 | twoten | hi everybody! |
| 16:18.38 | enouf | onetinsoldier: btw, i'm sure i left out a few (such as lsscsi, lsusb, etc - /msg dpkg what's my hardware) ;-) |
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| 16:19.29 | Raven737 | enouf: thanks.. still don't get what it means exactly, ethernet card renamed? do i care? |
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| 16:20.39 | hoxu | Raven737, what does "ifconfig eth0 |grep -i hwaddr" say on both servers? |
| 16:20.56 | hoxu | hmm then again, that couldn't be a problem I guess |
| 16:21.05 | Raven737 | the max is diff |
| 16:21.11 | Raven737 | mac* i checked |
| 16:21.25 | twoten | anyone here familiar with nfs? |
| 16:21.27 | onetinsoldier | enouf, thanks again. just installed lshw, but jesus... how many commands does a guy really need? haha. a pretty nice one for X is hardinfo |
| 16:21.42 | hoxu | !tell twoten about anyone |
| 16:22.07 | stew | twoten: just assume someone is and ask your real question |
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| 16:22.33 | hoxu | Raven737, basic network debugging commands are your friend; you could start by running tcpdump on both boxes and see what really is happening |
| 16:22.45 | twoten | hmm, so I have installed nfs, but while trying to share a direstory thru konqueror, my nfs options are greyed out |
| 16:22.54 | Raven737 | hoxu: ok i want to start off myrunning ssh server in verbose debug mode.. how do i do that? |
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| 16:23.17 | twoten | I guess I have to start nfs through init.d |
| 16:23.18 | hoxu | Raven737, man sshd; -d |
| 16:23.36 | Raven737 | yes, sorry, should man'ed before asking |
| 16:24.30 | stew | Raven737: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 16:24.56 | stew | it sounds like he just has two different machines listening to the same IP address, right? |
| 16:25.04 | stew | (i haven't been all that closely following) |
| 16:25.15 | Raven737 | hoxu: ok working.. now i wait for it to fail again ;) |
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| 16:25.24 | hoxu | stew, seems that way to me, but there's something missing here |
| 16:26.29 | Raven737 | oh... did i mention the cloned machine was part of a cluster witha shared virtual ip.. i just removed that part in the interfaces config.. and stopped ldirector and hearbeat |
| 16:26.42 | sarefo | hey, what package is probably missing when i can mail to my own machine, but not to remote domains? |
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| 16:28.37 | petemc | sarefo: none, you need to reconfigure exim - dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:28.58 | hoxu | sarefo, you probably need to use a smarthost in exim config |
| 16:30.05 | sarefo | thx both |
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| 16:30.42 | Raven737 | uh it just dies again 'software abort' or something |
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| 16:31.17 | Raven737 | on server side i see nothing special, last line is "setting controlling tty using TIOCSCTTY." |
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| 16:32.05 | hoxu | Raven737, a good guess would be that you are getting all those different errors because your packets start going to the other server in the middle of the connection or something along that line |
| 16:32.21 | hoxu | Raven737, there's not much we can do without knowing your network configuration |
| 16:32.40 | Raven737 | ok restarting the ssh server helps |
| 16:32.41 | onetinsoldier | penryn/wolfdale c2d's don't really have hyperthreading do they? i thought i'd read that they do not. lshw-gtk is showing that i have 4 cores tho. |
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| 16:33.09 | SparFux | Dudes, I find some really nasty security flaws on my system due to the crash and manual reconfiguration :-) |
| 16:33.20 | onetinsoldier | capbilities show: hyperthreading |
| 16:34.11 | Raven737 | hoxu: should i run a packet sniffer on the client side? (since it's routed though i don't see the final mac) |
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| 16:34.48 | Raven737 | yes just got it again "Network error: Software caused connection abort" (from putty) |
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| 16:35.22 | hoxu | Raven737, what is "routing" the connections? |
| 16:35.33 | onetinsoldier | goes to join #hardware, if there is one |
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| 16:35.53 | hoxu | onetinsoldier, ##hardware |
| 16:35.59 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.16 | Raven737 | hoxu: router between subnets.. i'm on 230.x and the server is on 225.x |
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| 16:36.56 | Raven737 | hoxu: i think you are correct with the packets not going the right way.. i just restarted ssh server and it doesn't sghow the connection attempt while putty fails |
| 16:37.18 | riz_ | Hello. I need to install IP::Country::Fast via apt. I'm trying apt-cache search IP::Country::Fast but I can't find it |
| 16:37.43 | onetinsoldier | hoxu and d-b: yeah... i'm in there now |
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| 16:38.10 | petemc | riz_: its not libgeo-ip-perl ? |
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| 16:39.25 | onetinsoldier | but i am still wondering why lshw says ii havehyperthreading and i am thinking it's a linux kernel thing? but checking. i checked on google searching btw.. answer should be 'no h/t' afaict |
| 16:39.55 | jelly | riz_: then it's not there... it the module is available on CPAN, you can use dh-make-perl to create a package |
| 16:40.21 | riz_ | jelly there is an howto about it? |
| 16:40.34 | riz_ | petemc mmm doesn't seem |
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| 16:41.12 | jelly | riz_: haven't looked for any howtos |
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| 16:41.42 | jelly | !cpan->deb |
| 16:41.53 | jelly | !test |
| 16:41.53 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:42.12 | stew | dpkg: cpan->deb |
| 16:42.12 | dpkg | from memory, cpan->deb is sometimes a necessary evil, because modules retrieved from CPAN don't respect Debian's internal package dependencies. You probably want to look into dh-make-perl, unless you're a super-sexy package god and want to roll your own. |
| 16:42.27 | Raven737 | hoxu: i just msg you my interfaces file.. the values should be ok and unique.. but is the loopback in the first part eeded? |
| 16:42.32 | Raven737 | needed* |
| 16:42.32 | jelly | !dh-make-perl |
| 16:42.32 | dpkg | from memory, dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. |
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| 16:42.55 | onetinsoldier | ok, confirmed. penryn/wolfdale arch does not have hyperthreading unless it's a xeon model cpu |
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| 16:43.36 | pawbie | onetinsoldier: Did you try checking cpuinfo ? See if it's listed in several sources. Do you have VirtualBox, Xen, etc installed? |
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| 16:44.44 | adama__ | why would httpd be calling 'bin/qmail-inject -H --' ? php mail() ? |
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| 16:44.58 | jelly | onetinsoldier: perhaps it has the ht cpuid bit set, but no actual multiple threading unitses on the cpu |
| 16:45.06 | onetinsoldier | pawbie, i am currently running a stock cpu. working on configuring the latest available 2.6 kernel tho. |
| 16:45.14 | pawbie | ....what's the hotkey in Nautilus to show .hidden files? |
| 16:45.16 | petemc | adama__: is there anything like plesk running? |
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| 16:45.31 | onetinsoldier | jelly, interesting |
| 16:45.34 | adama__ | petemc: yes plesk |
| 16:45.44 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.49 | Raven737 | hoxu: when i use another linux client and ssh -vvv i get "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" when i connect (and it's working) |
| 16:46.14 | adama__ | petemc: what do you mean., why does it do that? |
| 16:46.33 | petemc | adama__: i just know that plesk uses qmail, further than that, no idea - ask them |
| 16:46.48 | onetinsoldier | pawbie, no.. i do not have Xen or VB installed. however, the stock kernel might have Xen/KVM compiled in it |
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| 16:47.57 | riz_ | dh-make-perl --build --cpan IP::Country::Fast && dpkg -i libip-country-perl_2.25-1_all.deb |
| 16:48.03 | riz_ | works great! |
| 16:48.27 | riz_ | thank jelly |
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| 16:49.54 | LnxSlck | hello all |
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| 16:50.15 | LnxSlck | just droped by in my recent updated etch -> lenny |
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| 16:51.05 | onetinsoldier | LnxSlck, hello there |
| 16:51.11 | LnxSlck | hello |
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| 16:51.22 | onetinsoldier | enjoying lenny then? |
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| 16:51.43 | LnxSlck | onetinsoldier, hell yeah.. its great |
| 16:51.50 | LnxSlck | onetinsoldier, better looking.. |
| 16:51.57 | onetinsoldier | LnxSlck, i hear it... i'm lovin' it |
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| 16:52.18 | nym | hey |
| 16:52.21 | d-b | LnxSlck: newer kernel, gnome, openssh etc. |
| 16:52.25 | jpinx | can anyone point me at a possible reason why my laptop is rebooting instead of hibernating? |
| 16:52.34 | d-b | jpinx: no. |
| 16:52.34 | LnxSlck | d-b, bot usre |
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| 16:52.48 | LnxSlck | Linux whitestar 2.6.26-1-powerpc #1 Sat Nov 8 13:45:10 CET 2008 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 16:52.49 | d-b | jpinx: please provide more information. |
| 16:52.52 | LnxSlck | yes new kernel |
| 16:52.56 | nym | i'm trying to build a new debian 4.0 server, and i can't seem to apt-get install build-essentials, and i believe my sources.list is not exactly what i want, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 16:53.19 | d-b | nym: sure. um. i will post mine on pastebin in one second. |
| 16:53.26 | nym | d-b: cheers |
| 16:53.27 | petemc | nym: its build-essential, rather than essentialS |
| 16:53.29 | jelly | nym: "build-essential" has no trailing s |
| 16:53.32 | nym | petemc: ah! |
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| 16:53.36 | jpinx | d-b: it's just that - instead of hibernating it reboots. |
| 16:53.39 | nym | ty petemc / jelly |
| 16:53.45 | Raven737 | well thanks for the help! |
| 16:54.16 | jpinx | d-b: do you want syslog pasted? |
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| 16:55.09 | onetinsoldier | pawbie, the debian stock 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel has paravirtualization and kvm compiled in by default. that could be it. it doesn't look like 2.6.26 has a 'Xen' option. however, the newer one i'm working on configuring does |
| 16:55.21 | onetinsoldier | pawbie, just an fyi |
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| 16:56.01 | d-b | jpinx: yeah. put it on pastebin tho. |
| 16:56.03 | onetinsoldier | hypervisors.... hmmm |
| 16:56.22 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.25 | jpinx | d-b: oneline that might tell you is this |
| 16:56.32 | jpinx | d-b: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 |
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| 16:56.56 | d-b | jpinx: as far as i can see that just says your xserver dies |
| 16:57.00 | legis | do you guys know of a tool to extract images from PDF files? |
| 16:57.18 | rotw | Problem: Debian doesn't recognise my WLAN chip. It's an Intel WiFi Link 5100. I tried following these instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5754065#post5754065 but ifconfig -a still doesn't list my device. Could anyone help me, please? Thanks |
| 16:57.27 | adama__ | legis: printscreen key? |
| 16:57.40 | d-b | kpdf ? |
| 16:57.42 | legis | adama__: my screen is to small :) |
| 16:58.29 | legis | don't know about kpdf |
| 16:58.35 | legis | d-b: it can? |
| 16:58.45 | pawbie | onetinsoldier: Even with Xen/KVM compiled in, I didn't think you would see the flag in cpuinfo |
| 16:58.48 | jpinx | d-b: http://pastebin.com/f6dd990b8 |
| 16:58.56 | hoxu | Raven737, don't /msg people and paste tons of crap; /msg dpkg paste |
| 16:59.17 | adama__ | legis: I seem to have a command "pdfimages" ...don't know what it does |
| 16:59.21 | hoxu | paste the pastebin urls on the channel, not /msg |
| 16:59.38 | d-b | what happens when bluetooth is off? |
| 16:59.42 | adama__ | legis: I know I'm a big help this morning :) |
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| 16:59.51 | d-b | and what is acpid: client connected from 6018[0:0] .... |
| 16:59.55 | onetinsoldier | pawbie, roger. |
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| 17:00.15 | themill | legis: there's pdfimages from the xpdf-utils package. KPDF can extract an image of the image (i.e. at display resolution) whereas pdfimages tries to extract the actual image. |
| 17:00.48 | themill | legis: you can also use imagemagick "convert" or something like the gimp to rasterise the entire page and then crop down to what you actually want. |
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| 17:01.53 | peterm1 | hi which packages do i need for a minimal graphical environment? |
| 17:01.55 | legis | themill: thanks. |
| 17:02.04 | themill | legis: no worries |
| 17:02.05 | peterm1 | i just want the applications amule an transmission to run |
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| 17:02.40 | petemc | peterm1: install xorg and something like xfce4 |
| 17:03.16 | peterm1 | dont want no xfce its much to slow. i cant move my mouse with xubuntu |
| 17:03.19 | jpinx | d-b: can you point me at where to look for why my x died, causing the reboot? |
| 17:03.36 | onetinsoldier | peterm1, try icewm then |
| 17:03.42 | petemc | peterm1: if xfce is slow your machine must be fairly shite - try icewm or some such i guess |
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| 17:04.13 | peterm1 | ok thx petemc |
| 17:04.17 | jpinx | peterm1: xfce4 can slow the machine down if you have load of stuff running |
| 17:04.27 | onetinsoldier | yeah, it's not like xfce4 is a beast, hehe |
| 17:04.45 | peterm1 | ah ok then its probably not xfce but all the ubuntu services |
| 17:05.08 | peterm1 | do i need a window manager? cant i just start x togehter with the two programms? |
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| 17:05.15 | jpinx | peterm1: ask in #ubuntu then ;) |
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| 17:05.26 | peterm1 | i dont want ubuntu i have debian installed |
| 17:05.33 | peterm1 | i just tried xubuntu and it was too slow :-( |
| 17:05.35 | onetinsoldier | enlightment(e16) might be a little heavy. but i think even my old PIII 800MHz could probably handle e16 |
| 17:05.39 | adama__ | peterm1: try just installing amule and transmission and it will install the minimal dependencies? I did this with mplayer and it has no DE at app but still plays mplayer fine |
| 17:05.54 | pawbie | mplayer has a console counterpart. |
| 17:06.01 | adama__ | plays movies |
| 17:06.02 | pawbie | And SVGAlib, too. |
| 17:06.13 | peterm1 | adama__, but then it will just install the xclients (transmission and amule) but no xserver to run them :-( |
| 17:06.24 | jpinx | peterm1: it depends on what you have installed and you're running |
| 17:06.39 | legis | wow, GIMP can open PDFs files ;) |
| 17:06.43 | d-b | !ubuntu |
| 17:06.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:06.47 | jpinx | peterm1: I just installed xorg and xfce |
| 17:07.07 | peterm1 | jpinx, ok i'll try it |
| 17:07.15 | Raven737 | uh oh.. i changed ip address and now everything is fine.. oh uh don't want to know what OTHER machine was using the same :( thansk for the help! |
| 17:07.17 | d-b | xfce runs fine on my 400mhz 128mb phone. |
| 17:07.27 | jpinx | d-b: I can't find anything that tells me why x dies on hibernate |
| 17:07.30 | peterm1 | d-b, phone??? ^^ |
| 17:07.31 | peterm1 | n1 |
| 17:08.04 | onetinsoldier | Raven737, try the nslookup and dig commands on you old ip. might give you some insight |
| 17:08.10 | rotw | Problem: Debian doesn't recognise my WLAN chip. It's an Intel WiFi Link 5100. I tried following these instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5754065#post5754065 but ifconfig -a still doesn't list my device. Could anyone help me, please? Thanks |
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| 17:08.20 | jpinx | peterm1: xfce4 runs on my old laptop with a PIII 333 and 128 RAM |
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| 17:08.32 | d-b | jpinx: i have no clue. i found on my laptop that on etch, i couldn't really use gnome and open / close the lid reliably, but it never exhibited any kind of behaviour you have here. |
| 17:08.49 | jpinx | d-b: ok -- thanks |
| 17:08.50 | d-b | check your config. and google for your specific situation |
| 17:09.04 | d-b | you might want to try etch and a half. |
| 17:09.06 | onetinsoldier | Raven737, you may need to install the dns-uitls pkg to have those commands |
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| 17:09.07 | g0rd0n | hi there |
| 17:09.08 | jpinx | d-b: yea -- I have googled it to death over the last week |
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| 17:09.20 | jpinx | considers a re-install |
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| 17:09.27 | d-b | or grab a live debian / live cd which has newer software and test it. |
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| 17:09.35 | d-b | jpinx: try lenny perhaps, before you do. |
| 17:09.40 | ma3x | is there a metapackage for all the ttf fonts? |
| 17:09.44 | ma3x | or most of them |
| 17:09.52 | jpinx | is running lenny |
| 17:10.01 | d-b | mmmm odd. |
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| 17:10.16 | d-b | why do you have syslog-ng and not rsyslog then? |
| 17:10.31 | jpinx | d-b: fwiw - this and other problems all started when I installed gnokii to connect my mobile phone |
| 17:10.34 | d-b | (why do you have marks in the pastebin you posted. |
| 17:10.50 | d-b | jpinx: sounds odd to me. ^^ /me night |
| 17:11.16 | jpinx | is unaware of differences in syslog |
| 17:11.18 | Raven737 | onetinsoldier: well nslookup returns nothing, nbtstat -A also nothing.. ping works.. hmmm |
| 17:11.45 | Raven737 | should have been free according to our dns list.. but i should have ping'ed before :( |
| 17:11.49 | onetinsoldier | Raven737, hmm, interesting |
| 17:12.04 | legis | rotw: did you install the firmware? |
| 17:12.48 | Raven737 | onetinsoldier: nmap'ing now.. uh oh |
| 17:13.25 | onetinsoldier | Raven737, perhaps traceroute or nmap would show something more.. i dunno |
| 17:13.34 | onetinsoldier | Raven737, ah! i see.. coolio |
| 17:14.13 | onetinsoldier | Raven737, what is this old ip? |
| 17:14.38 | onetinsoldier | scrolls up to see if he can see it |
| 17:15.00 | Raven737 | onetinsoldier: some other linux.. but running vnc?! (i only know of console servers) |
| 17:16.10 | rotw | legis: yes. |
| 17:16.23 | onetinsoldier | Raven737, roger.. what is the ip addr? |
| 17:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, I don't think so - they're not so many anyways (3? 4?) and coming from different contexts... but obviously I'm still missing some |
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| 17:19.30 | deadcat | i followed the instruction to setup a pxe server with dhcpd3-server, but the machine is not picking up a dhcp when i go into pxe boot |
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| 17:21.15 | peterm1 | deadcat, does the machine request a dhcp adress? |
| 17:21.24 | peterm1 | use a sniffer or something |
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| 17:22.43 | deadcat | peterm1: like tcpdump? |
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| 17:23.13 | deadcat | peterm1: i can use the laptop and run dhclient eth0 and it picks up an ip. but thats from debian, not via pxe boot |
| 17:23.23 | peterm1 | deadcat, year but i would prefer something like wireshark ;-) |
| 17:23.31 | deadcat | k |
| 17:23.37 | peterm1 | run wireshark on the dhcp server |
| 17:23.44 | peterm1 | so see if there are any incoming requests |
| 17:24.05 | peterm1 | or on a pc which acts as bridge between pxe client and dhcp server |
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| 17:24.23 | Raven737 | onetinsoldier: ok found out it's another server from our it dept. oh well.. now i know :( and will be sure to always ping before using any ip) |
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| 17:24.26 | Raven737 | thanks for all the help!!! |
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| 17:28.08 | raktunak | nas |
| 17:28.53 | deadcat | peterm1: nothing during pxe boot i am going to try running dhclient eth0 one the same machine that i tried doing pxe boot on when it boots up |
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| 17:29.28 | peterm1 | ok |
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| 17:30.02 | peterm1 | deadcat, are you using syslinux or a pxe-rom in your nic to boot? |
| 17:30.09 | deadcat | i was able to get an ip from the server with the laptop via dhclient eth1, but not fixed address. |
| 17:30.15 | deadcat | peterm1: oh. i dont know. |
| 17:30.21 | machine1 | hey has anyone here rebranded a ff browser? |
| 17:30.39 | peterm1 | deadcat, you selected ,,etherned boot'' in your bios, did you? |
| 17:30.47 | deadcat | peterm1: ya |
| 17:31.00 | peterm1 | ok then you use a rom in your nic |
| 17:31.05 | peterm1 | hmm hard to debug ^^ |
| 17:31.10 | deadcat | peterm1: it was at the point where its trying to pick up an address via dhcp |
| 17:31.29 | peterm1 | did you see your dhcp request in wireshark? |
| 17:31.35 | deadcat | peterm1: nothing |
| 17:31.41 | peterm1 | in tcp dump you won't see nothing because its tcp |
| 17:31.48 | peterm1 | und dhcp is udp |
| 17:31.52 | deadcat | oh. |
| 17:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 17:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | wireshark shows udp+tcp, though |
| 17:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | while sniffit -I doesn't like udp |
| 17:32.51 | peterm1 | CutMeOwnThroat, yes but i think deadcat uses tcpdump |
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| 17:32.56 | onetinsoldier | i think you might be able to see such a packet with 'iptaf'.. if you're watching for it. you can scroll either upper or lower windows in iptraf if needed |
| 17:33.07 | deadcat | peterm1: i dont have gui on the server |
| 17:33.10 | onetinsoldier | 'iptraf'* |
| 17:33.17 | deadcat | peterm1: i was using tshark. |
| 17:33.24 | onetinsoldier | deadcat, try iptraf... ncurses based |
| 17:33.28 | deadcat | k |
| 17:33.50 | peterm1 | tshark should do the job as well but iptraf might be even better |
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| 17:35.16 | peterm1 | man i do need more bandwith |
| 17:35.32 | peterm1 | apt-get install xorg seems to need hours to complete |
| 17:35.37 | deadcat | peterm1: i just ran dhclient eth0 on the machine i tried to pxe boot, it gives me a generic ip from the range, not the fixed. |
| 17:36.15 | peterm1 | did you configure your dhcp server to serve the mac of eth0 a fixed ip? |
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| 17:36.22 | peterm1 | which dhcp server do you use? |
| 17:36.31 | deadcat | dhcp3-server |
| 17:36.53 | peterm1 | did you see the dhcp request in iptraf? |
| 17:37.18 | deadcat | peterm1: ya. it gave 10.10.32.49 (range 20-50) |
| 17:37.51 | peterm1 | could you post your dhcp3-server config to nopaste? |
| 17:38.01 | deadcat | k |
| 17:38.06 | peterm1 | togehter with the mac address of pxe-client eth0 nic |
| 17:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | deadcat, well, you can still run X applications if you allow X forwarding to your desktop |
| 17:38.15 | deadcat | ya |
| 17:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | deadcat, FYI your nick always lets me think of Schroedinger... kind of disturbing |
| 17:39.11 | peterm1 | hehe |
| 17:39.17 | peterm1 | possibly-dead-cat ^^ |
| 17:39.46 | deadcat | dont know who schroedinger is |
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| 17:40.28 | peterm1 | how is it possible, that on task uses 100% of cpu an another uses 77% and another 23%? |
| 17:40.31 | peterm1 | in top |
| 17:40.40 | peterm1 | shouldn't that somehow sum up to 100% ^^ |
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| 17:41.11 | Octalot | how many CPUs do you have? |
| 17:41.14 | deadcat | peterm1: http://pastebin.ca/1272494 |
| 17:41.20 | peterm1 | octalot 2 |
| 17:41.28 | peterm1 | ah is it on cpu biasis? |
| 17:41.29 | Octalot | that's how :) |
| 17:41.33 | peterm1 | ah |
| 17:41.42 | peterm1 | strange numerics *g8 |
| 17:42.24 | peterm1 | deadcat, can you paste the dhcp request and answer, too? |
| 17:43.10 | deadcat | peterm1: let me clear the request and do it again. |
| 17:44.03 | deadcat | peterm1: this is it from iptraf: | UDP (328 bytes) from 0.0.0.0:68 to 255.255.255.255:67 on eth0 | |
| 17:44.26 | peterm1 | are the 328 bytes shown, too? |
| 17:44.31 | peterm1 | *displaye |
| 17:44.32 | peterm1 | dd |
| 17:45.28 | deadcat | peterm1: iptraf doesnt seem to allow me to show more info |
| 17:45.36 | peterm1 | hmm |
| 17:45.39 | deadcat | let me use tshark |
| 17:45.53 | peterm1 | is there something like a request log of dhcp3? |
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| 17:48.23 | deadcat | peterm1: http://pastebin.ca/1272498 output from tshark |
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| 17:49.42 | SparFux | This is the best idea I ever had! Put my name into files which I changed! |
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| 17:50.12 | SparFux | On new system installation with debootstrap it is a piece of cake to put my own config into the new system! |
| 17:50.13 | deadcat | peterm1: you think those fixed ip hostes had to be in the subnet 10.10.32.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {} ? |
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| 17:51.13 | peterm1 | deadcat, dhcp3 server recognices your host (hades) |
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| 17:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterm1, more like half-dead-cat.. he should really talk to the guy, he could possibly help him (at least half-way) |
| 17:51.42 | peterm1 | but i'm not quite sure if your client simply sends it's hostname or if dhcp3 really recognices the mac |
| 17:52.01 | peterm1 | deadcat, yes the fixed ip has to be in the general range |
| 17:52.06 | deadcat | peterm1: let me change hades from the config file |
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| 17:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | deadcat, Erwin Schroedinger - famous theoretical physicist, kind of (this is a bit exaggerated) invented quantum mechanics, got a Nobel Prize in 1933 |
| 17:54.13 | deadcat | peterm1: ya i think the client machine is giving dhcp3-server the hostname |
| 17:54.32 | peterm1 | deadcat, http://www.explosm.net/comics/949/ ;-) |
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| 17:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | deadcat, also possibly google for "schroedingers cat" |
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| 17:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or just read the wikipedia article (hehe, nice picture there) |
| 17:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and sorry for the OT interruption, but this has been nagging on me since you entered a couple of days ago |
| 18:00.24 | deadcat | damn. its not getting the fixed address. |
| 18:00.48 | deadcat | my conf file is not correct |
| 18:01.05 | peterm1 | hmm |
| 18:01.49 | adb | restart the dhcp3-server |
| 18:02.06 | deadcat | adb: i did |
| 18:02.46 | JyZyXEL | what was that wireless manager for gnome?= |
| 18:03.30 | adb | apt-cache search manager ? |
| 18:03.35 | JyZyXEL | hah |
| 18:03.36 | pawbie | JyZyXEL: NetworkManager? |
| 18:03.45 | themill | JyZyXEL: nm-applet from network-manager-gnome |
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| 18:07.33 | SparFux | I don't get it! I think all I need for console umlauts is console-setup package. But the font on the consoled oesn't seem to be correct. |
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| 18:08.34 | JyZyXEL | wlan0_rename Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 18:08.41 | JyZyXEL | how do you bring it uå? |
| 18:08.43 | JyZyXEL | up |
| 18:08.50 | themill | JyZyXEL: what's the device? |
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| 18:09.00 | JyZyXEL | wlan |
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| 18:09.06 | JyZyXEL | wlan0_rename |
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| 18:09.54 | JyZyXEL | ifconfig wlan up |
| 18:09.59 | JyZyXEL | there we gooo |
| 18:10.36 | themill | And here was I expecting that I might actually find out what the chipset was. |
| 18:12.14 | dustybin | If i ssh into my server locally and forward X then launch a GUI application, it works, ssh -X. However, if i ssh into a remote server and do the exact same thing, ssh -X, when i launch the same application, nothing gets forwarded, why is that? |
| 18:12.42 | dustybin | DisplaResX: Unable to XRRgetScreenInfo |
| 18:12.46 | dustybin | thats all i can see |
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| 18:14.01 | JyZyXEL | apt-cache search wireless | grep gnome |
| 18:14.07 | JyZyXEL | lol there is like nothing for gnome |
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| 18:15.57 | EtherNet | hello guys |
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| 18:16.39 | EtherNet | does anyone know why wether the unstable or experimental repositories don't have the 2.6.27 kernel available? |
| 18:16.52 | themill | dpkg: tell EtherNet about slushy |
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| 18:18.59 | EtherNet | themill, it looks like it didn't work |
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| 18:20.10 | onetinsoldier | themill, interesting about slushy, and makes sense |
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| 18:23.57 | e-head | Hey, I just set up a new system (Kubuntu), and it looks like the character set less is using is goofy. |
| 18:24.09 | hoxu | e-head, this is not #ubuntu |
| 18:24.15 | stew | e-head: plase go to #kubuntu or #ubuntu for help with kubuntu |
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| 18:24.26 | e-head | Those people over there don't know much, to be honest. |
| 18:24.43 | SparFux | Got it so far. |
| 18:24.44 | themill | dpkg: tell e-head about they don't know |
| 18:24.44 | stew | e-head: sorry to hear it, perhaps try a web-forum or mailing list |
| 18:24.45 | e-head | This is a distro neutral question. |
| 18:24.45 | hoxu | e-head, the people here most likely know less about ubuntu than the folks there |
| 18:24.49 | rdz | hi all. what is the correct tool to tweak SATA-harddrives: sdparm or hdparm? |
| 18:24.56 | stew | e-head: then ask ##linux |
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| 18:25.05 | e-head | ahh. I'll try that. |
| 18:25.17 | e-head | Well, actually, I have a debian related question too... |
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| 18:25.53 | e-head | How can I reinstall all files that came with a package? I tried "apt-get --reinstall install ..." and it didn't seem to help. |
| 18:26.01 | hoxu | !tell e-head about confmiss |
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| 18:26.05 | stew | e-head: ask #kubuntu or #ubuntu |
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| 18:26.07 | e-head | I seem to remember some way of doing this, perhaps with dpkg? |
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| 18:26.33 | e-head | Thanks hoxu |
| 18:26.49 | e-head | stew: you need to lighten up about the distro thing. ;) |
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| 18:27.07 | stew | e-head: no, i don't |
| 18:27.09 | e-head | Most of those goofs in kubuntu havn't even heard of dpkg or apt. |
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| 18:27.17 | qmr | oooooh |
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| 18:27.20 | e-head | Just my opinion. |
| 18:27.21 | stew | e-head: sorry, we can't help you with that |
| 18:27.21 | qmr | I just made a "transition" with kdenlives |
| 18:27.27 | e-head | Take it for what it's worth. |
| 18:27.45 | themill | e-head: it's only polite to actually be running debian when you're asking for help in #debian. If you wanted help from #debian, you should have installed debian. |
| 18:27.50 | onetinsoldier | e-head, oh come on. they certainly know about apt.. i hung out in there for just bit yesterday |
| 18:28.12 | e-head | alright. maybe I'm not giving them enough credit. |
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| 18:28.17 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 18:28.18 | hoxu | e-head, good luck trying to get help on #ubuntu after badmouthing them here; a lot of people are on both channels |
| 18:28.27 | micah_p | Why is my debian-live CD not building with the packages I configured it to have? I did lh_config -b usb-hdd --packages kexec-tools -m ftp://lmy_debian_mirror/ && lh_build |
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| 18:29.05 | e-head | Maybe they aren't so bad over there... it's just soooo crowded. |
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| 18:29.24 | e-head | and you get the "how do I mount a CD" questions, which can drive you nuts. |
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| 18:29.27 | micah_p | it built after downloading packages from my mirror, but didn't install kexec-tools or configure my mirror. |
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| 18:31.21 | stoned | hoxu, I will bad mouth ubuntu |
| 18:31.29 | stoned | all day everyday |
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| 18:32.27 | onetinsoldier | e-head, i am curious, why use unbuntu over standard debian? |
| 18:32.56 | adb | micah_p: try #debian-live on OFTC |
| 18:33.12 | micah_p | thanks adb |
| 18:33.21 | adb | welcome |
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| 18:36.31 | e-head | onetinsoldier: I think I was just curious |
| 18:36.42 | e-head | as to what all the excitement over ubuntu was about. |
| 18:36.48 | stew | onetinsoldier: e-head: please take this conversation elsewhere |
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| 18:37.03 | stew | perhaps #ubuntu or #kubuntu, perhaps #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 18:37.07 | Titan | has anyone seen http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/7313 |
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| 18:38.13 | sneeze | I upgraded from i686 to amd64 and now when I try to install vmware server 64 bit it does not detect my OS as being 64 bit. Are there other packages I need to upgrade? |
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| 18:39.07 | stew | sneeze: ask #vmware |
| 18:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, what's in that link |
| 18:39.22 | hoxu | what did titan do, exactly? |
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| 18:41.58 | mhymn_ | that's a exploit for debian |
| 18:42.07 | mhymn_ | obviously! |
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| 18:42.33 | hoxu | and posting vulnerabilities has been bad since...? |
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| 18:43.36 | mhymn_ | perhaps it's something like 'rm -rf /' |
| 18:44.05 | helmut | Hi. Is there someone working on the release notes here? |
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| 18:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | also can't see why just posting the link here is "bad" |
| 18:45.07 | jelly-home | which link, http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/7313 ? |
| 18:45.14 | hoxu | mhymn_, what kind of idiot would save and run a webpage from a url containing "exploits"? |
| 18:45.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | raises hand |
| 18:45.46 | hoxu | jelly-home, yes, I'd like to know why stew banned Titan for that |
| 18:46.16 | jelly-home | hoxu: seems like a good question. |
| 18:46.28 | jelly-home | stew: can you answer? |
| 18:46.29 | stew | hoxu: jelly-home: posting exploits is not something that should be done on freenode |
| 18:46.38 | hoxu | eh, what the FUCK? |
| 18:46.43 | jelly-home | stew: it's freely available code. |
| 18:46.52 | jelly-home | from a well known site. |
| 18:46.54 | stew | jelly-home: find another network |
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| 18:47.25 | Titan | thanks, sorry guys |
| 18:47.34 | jelly-home | stew: I mean, is linking to it forbidden by freenode AUP? |
| 18:47.36 | hoxu | hold on, did I understand it right - it's not allowed post security-related content concerning debian on this channel? |
| 18:47.50 | stew | jelly-home: ask #freenode |
| 18:47.57 | jelly-home | guesses that's why #debian-security moved off freenode... |
| 18:48.07 | stew | jelly-home: wrong |
| 18:48.36 | jelly-home | stew: er... sarcasm. |
| 18:48.36 | stew | hoxu: it is correct that I'm not going to allow people to post links that say: here is an exploit you could use to get access to another system |
| 18:48.45 | kibibyte | since a week my firefox consumes 100 % of CPU espacialy when i run flash , whats wrong with it? help:( |
| 18:48.47 | kibibyte | help |
| 18:49.06 | RoenieSrvr | yea flash makes sites real slow here too |
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| 18:49.15 | hoxu | stew, so exposure for vulnerabilities is bad now? Honestly, I don't think you share that view with a lot of debian folks |
| 18:49.25 | ilaiho | kibibyte: Flash is a resource hog |
| 18:49.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, the freenode pages don't say anything about not posting exploits |
| 18:49.32 | kibibyte | ilaiho, no it was ok |
| 18:49.45 | ilaiho | There is no solution to that problem. |
| 18:49.55 | RoenieSrvr | ilaiho, that doesnt explain why flash sites run smooth on windows on the same machine, in the same browser |
| 18:50.08 | kibibyte | when i run 1 tab with flash in firefox , then firefos uses 90 % of CPU |
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| 18:50.22 | ilaiho | kibibyte: Try dpkg-reconfigure firefox |
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| 18:50.29 | ilaiho | or is it iceweasel currently |
| 18:50.37 | RoenieSrvr | iceweasel |
| 18:50.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, and he didn't say that... it could as well have been "you might be vulnerable to that" *shrug* |
| 18:50.50 | ilaiho | kibibyte: Do you mean the Iceweasel? |
| 18:50.54 | kibibyte | yeah |
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| 18:51.14 | ilaiho | 'dpkg-reconfigure iceweasel' |
| 18:51.22 | ilaiho | it should reset the settings |
| 18:51.48 | onetinsoldier | i am running an amd-64 leeny system here with the 64-bit flash alpha/beta flash released by adobe about a month ago. no problem here in iceweasel or konqueror |
| 18:51.55 | onetinsoldier | s/leeny/lenny |
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| 18:52.20 | kibibyte | doesnt work :( |
| 18:52.22 | kibibyte | 15108 bartosz 20 0 296m 104m 24m R 83 5.5 0:39.58 firefox |
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| 18:53.10 | kibibyte | ilaiho, it happens when i lanuch this game |
| 18:53.13 | kibibyte | http://www.milanos.pl/gry.php?id=5146 |
| 18:53.16 | kibibyte | platform racing 2 |
| 18:53.34 | kibibyte | doest it slow your computer? |
| 18:53.37 | kibibyte | 90 % CPU |
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| 18:53.48 | ilaiho | I work on a Mac now. |
| 18:54.13 | onetinsoldier | let me see |
| 18:54.20 | kibibyte | ok |
| 18:54.39 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: its one thing to ask about a symlink attack or discuss whether one might be vulnerable to a symlink attack, and quite another to say "here is EXACTLY how you can perform a symlink attack, including source code... instructions..." |
| 18:54.44 | kibibyte | 15108 bartosz 20 0 261m 107m 25m S 96 5.7 2:48.75 firefox |
| 18:54.53 | kibibyte | 96 % CPU used |
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| 18:55.01 | kibibyte | by firefox |
| 18:55.37 | onetinsoldier | i have to login and connect? |
| 18:56.19 | onetinsoldier | kibibyte, i don't have firefox.. it's not available in lenny. iceweasel is the default for lenny |
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| 18:57.00 | do_guh_new | same guts different wrapper |
| 18:57.32 | onetinsoldier | kibibyte, i have to 'login' and 'connect' for that flash game? hmmm, i was unable to do that as 'guest'. could be my firewall. i don't know. however, |
| 18:57.52 | kibibyte | onetinsoldier, yes |
| 18:57.59 | kibibyte | play as guet |
| 18:58.01 | kibibyte | guest |
| 18:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, well, yes, and the difference imho is that you must stay vague and not really know what you're talking about if you don't see how it's exactly done.... |
| 18:58.47 | kibibyte | there is a meal in ireland called stew |
| 18:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | lunchtime |
| 18:58.58 | onetinsoldier | kibibyte, read my above post about 'guest' ^^ page and game splash screen loaded up fine(i don't have a sound card driver installed') and no slow down or any problem that i notice |
| 18:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | (on cue) |
| 18:59.07 | kibibyte | hm |
| 18:59.37 | onetinsoldier | kibibyte, you running etch? |
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| 18:59.44 | kibibyte | no |
| 18:59.48 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 18:59.55 | onetinsoldier | lenny? |
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| 19:00.13 | kibibyte | hmm |
| 19:00.14 | kibibyte | no |
| 19:00.17 | kibibyte | ubuntu |
| 19:00.18 | kibibyte | :d |
| 19:00.26 | onetinsoldier | oh.. i see! |
| 19:00.30 | ilaiho | kibibyte: Then you should ask #ubuntu |
| 19:00.37 | kibibyte | noone knows |
| 19:00.39 | kibibyte | tehre |
| 19:00.52 | onetinsoldier | that can make a huge difference |
| 19:01.11 | do_guh_new | isnt ubuntu an african religion? |
| 19:01.20 | ilaiho | Ubuntu is entirely different thing |
| 19:01.33 | do_guh_new | ubuntu is the bone that goes in your nose |
| 19:01.37 | ilaiho | It has newer packages but it is also more unstable |
| 19:01.55 | onetinsoldier | i don't know if entirely would be the word i would use.. but yeah, it's different for sure |
| 19:02.15 | stew | please keep it on-topic. if you want to discuss ubuntu please do it in #ubuntu or maybe #debian-offtopic or ##linux or #defocus |
| 19:02.25 | do_guh_new | lol |
| 19:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I read somewhere ubuntu is african for "I can't configure Debian" - can't come up with the reference, though |
| 19:02.44 | do_guh_new | CutMeOwnThroat: good one |
| 19:02.44 | El_Guillermo | partly correct CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:02.46 | onetinsoldier | stew, these ubuntu users keep sucking us in.. lol |
| 19:02.46 | stew | please, stop |
| 19:03.07 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: /msg dpkg literla start a distro war |
| 19:03.23 | jelly-home | can't write a literal literal |
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| 19:03.32 | onetinsoldier | jelly, haha |
| 19:03.36 | onetinsoldier | !redhat |
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| 19:03.41 | onetinsoldier | !red hat |
| 19:03.41 | dpkg | red hat is, like, apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge |
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| 19:04.54 | ringo999 | whats a good alternative to skype on lenny? |
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| 19:05.36 | onetinsoldier | ringo999, is skype just an im? audio capable? |
| 19:05.59 | hoxu | !tell ringo999 about ekiga |
| 19:06.26 | onetinsoldier | ahh, video too eh |
| 19:06.30 | ringo999 | yep |
| 19:06.52 | RoenieSrvr | !tell RoenieSrvr about the meaning of life |
| 19:07.08 | RoenieSrvr | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'the meaning of life' |
| 19:07.11 | RoenieSrvr | worth a try. |
| 19:07.11 | jelly-home | onetinsoldier: and p2p and nat-traversal and established userbase and POTS terminations ... |
| 19:07.25 | qmr | stoned: why badmouth oo boon too? |
| 19:07.56 | abrotman | qmr: stop already |
| 19:08.15 | qmr | abrotman: wtf? piss off |
| 19:08.19 | qmr | "already"? |
| 19:08.25 | onetinsoldier | jelly, POTS eh... roger that. so dial up users are good to go i reckon |
| 19:08.27 | abrotman | qmr: go somewhere else to talk about ubuntu, we've said it many times |
| 19:08.31 | qmr | it's first thing I've said in forever. and it's a fine question |
| 19:08.46 | onetinsoldier | oops! |
| 19:09.09 | onetinsoldier | jelly-home, <-- i meant |
| 19:09.23 | onetinsoldier | too many jelly beans in here... :P |
| 19:09.30 | jelly-home | onetinsoldier: I mean, you can call phones from skype, and vice versa (for $$) |
| 19:09.44 | abrotman | ringo999: there's also .. gizmodo i think |
| 19:09.51 | onetinsoldier | jelly-home, ahhh, i see now! sounds cool |
| 19:10.55 | qmr | abrotman: that's a magazine.. I think you are thinking of wengophone? |
| 19:10.59 | ilaiho | skype has not been reverse engineered very well |
| 19:11.06 | stew | qmr: the question is off-topic. if you want to discuss ubuntu do it in another channel |
| 19:11.10 | qmr | ilaiho: last I check it had not been reverse engineered at all |
| 19:11.16 | ilaiho | and if it will be, they just change the protocol |
| 19:11.25 | abrotman | qmr: no, i can't recall the name .. let me find it |
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| 19:11.41 | qmr | oh no |
| 19:11.47 | qmr | wait skype is not on topic |
| 19:11.48 | qmr | voip is not on topic |
| 19:11.56 | qmr | we must stop before we anger the IRC nazis |
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| 19:12.30 | onetinsoldier | i was wondering, why does kdm allow a regular user to shut down the system by default, and even if a root session is logged into a term. i am sure that can be changed... but wondering why it's like that by default? |
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| 19:12.57 | twoten | qmr: just end all your comments with "Praise Debian" |
| 19:13.01 | abrotman | gizmo i think |
| 19:13.02 | jelly-home | onetinsoldier: if the user has physical access, he can pretty much pull the plug anyway |
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| 19:13.37 | jelly-home | onetinsoldier: but yes, it's interesting; gdm requires root password for that afair |
| 19:13.46 | onetinsoldier | jelly-home, roger that |
| 19:14.00 | stoned | qmr, because I can |
| 19:14.03 | hoxu | onetinsoldier, you can reboot the system from console with c-a-d by default too |
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| 19:14.14 | stew | stoned: discuss it with him elsewhere |
| 19:14.38 | stoned | what? |
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| 19:14.56 | onetinsoldier | hoxu, yep.. however, and i don't know the answer so i'll asking here... can the user do this over a remote kdm session? |
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| 19:15.32 | stew | stoned: if you want to discuss ubuntu with qmr, this is not the right channel |
| 19:16.11 | stoned | stew, you'd think after 8 years I'd know this. I never discussed ubuntu. He asked a question, I answered it. What discussion was there? |
| 19:16.41 | ilaiho | jelly-home: I think that he wants to prevent users shutting down the system accidentally |
| 19:16.50 | stew | stoned: yes, i think that after 8 years you'd know this, but that is not the point, yes there was a discussion about ubuntu |
| 19:17.25 | stoned | stew, great, I'm glad. I wasn't involved in the discussion. I'm not bothering with this ridiculous argument anymore. |
| 19:17.34 | jelly-home | ilaiho: thankfully defaults can be changed! |
| 19:17.46 | twoten | Ubuntu is swahili for blasphemy |
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| 19:17.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 19:18.12 | abrotman | twoten: ubuntu discussion belongs in #ubuntu |
| 19:18.57 | onetinsoldier | ilaiho, i am just curious. i am lowly desktop linux user and am the only one on my sys. i have complete control and the only use is me |
| 19:19.10 | onetinsoldier | use = user |
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| 19:19.53 | daxroc | Evening |
| 19:19.57 | onetinsoldier | howdy! |
| 19:20.06 | El_Guillermo | morning |
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| 19:20.15 | rotw | hi |
| 19:20.22 | onetinsoldier | afternoon here... 12:20 PM |
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| 19:20.32 | rotw | is there an "easy way" to upgrade to kernel 2.6.27? :/ |
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| 19:20.58 | FabianLange | good day, i was looking for a tomcat6 debian package, but i cannot find it (regardless of stability) i can find a lot of etch packages for 5.5 though |
| 19:21.00 | ilaiho | rotw: I think it is not a good idea |
| 19:21.09 | onetinsoldier | rotw, compile your own? i am working it right now |
| 19:21.13 | FabianLange | am i looking in the wrong places or is there no tomcat 6? |
| 19:21.21 | ilaiho | rotw: maybe when lenny-backports appear |
| 19:21.21 | mhymn_ | rotw: .26 is is in backports and it's pretty good |
| 19:21.29 | afifa | hi everybody! |
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| 19:21.57 | stoned | easy way? that depends on your experience level, but if you have to ask, then no |
| 19:22.02 | stoned | there is no 'easy' way |
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| 19:22.13 | abrotman | qmr: do not msg me |
| 19:22.15 | onetinsoldier | rotw, use the 'kernel-package' package if your going to compile your own, it makes it easy(easier anyway) and... |
| 19:22.20 | afifa | i have a root privileges, but still i can't do chown for some files. i thought if im root i can do whatever i want. am i not right? |
| 19:22.21 | onetinsoldier | !kp mantra |
| 19:22.21 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 19:22.34 | ma3x | what's your default qtconfig font? |
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| 19:22.57 | daxroc | How do I get the ath0,1 ifaces to come up on boot ? http://pastebin.ca/1272580 /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:23.11 | rotw | onetinsoldier: oh god, compiling has seldom worked well with me |
| 19:23.32 | peterm1 | hi i want to add a virtual interface to my physical nic |
| 19:23.49 | dimsuz | hi! is there an app like top, but for network? i.e. i want to know what process is eating network traffic for example |
| 19:23.52 | onetinsoldier | rotw, and another way to make it easier is to the config file from the 2.6.26 kernel from /boot |
| 19:23.57 | peterm1 | i thought i had to add auto eth0:0 \n iface eth0:0 inet dhcp to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:24.11 | daxroc | peterrm eth0:0 |
| 19:24.13 | peterm1 | but /etc/init.d/networking restart says that eth0:0: doesn't exists :-( |
| 19:24.15 | peterm1 | what did i do wrong? |
| 19:24.24 | rotw | onetinsoldier: hm? didn |
| 19:24.27 | peterm1 | does it have to be eth0:1? |
| 19:24.28 | rotw | 't quite get that |
| 19:24.43 | daxroc | peterm1: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 19:24.45 | onetinsoldier | rotw, it does take some time and sometimes some trial and error. but i always get it worked out. so, perhaps it's 'not easy' |
| 19:25.05 | stew | peterm1: no, the number doesn't matter, but I doubt you could do dhcp with a aliased nic. how is eth0 configured? |
| 19:25.09 | peterm1 | thx daxroc |
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| 19:25.27 | peterm1 | stew, eth0 ist configured via dhcp |
| 19:25.34 | onetinsoldier | rotw, about the config file? and make sure you use the 'kernel-package' package |
| 19:25.42 | peterm1 | auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 19:25.53 | peterm1 | hmm but the virtual interface has to be configured via dhcp |
| 19:25.54 | stew | peterm1: then why do you need eth0:0? |
| 19:26.00 | peterm1 | because i don't know the ip address |
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| 19:26.16 | stew | peterm1: why do you need a second interface? |
| 19:27.04 | peterm1 | stew, because i have virtual hosts (qemu) which need there own port space |
| 19:27.04 | onetinsoldier | rotw, look in /boot you should see a file like... config-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 19:27.04 | daxroc | Is it right to have /etc/interfaces create wlan0,1 or should this be automatic via the module some how ? |
| 19:28.43 | stew | peterm1: you'd have to configure it with a static ip address |
| 19:28.43 | peterm1 | hmm |
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| 19:28.43 | onetinsoldier | rotw, use that as your .config file. |
| 19:28.51 | peterm1 | but i don't get a static ip address :-( |
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| 19:29.04 | stew | peterm1: you aren't going to get a dhcp server to give you two different ip addresses for the same hardware address |
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| 19:29.08 | stew | peterm1: perhaps you need to use NAT for the virtual hosts |
| 19:29.13 | daxroc | peterm1: if you have a local dhcp server it wont matter if you define one as static , just dont assign it to another box. most routers allow you to limit the dhcp range |
| 19:29.16 | rotw | onetinsoldier: how do i use it as my .config file? do i have to move it somewhere? |
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| 19:29.20 | peterm1 | hmm |
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| 19:29.23 | stew | peterm1: or perhaps you should be asking your network administrator to assign you a static ip address for your virtual machine |
| 19:29.45 | onetinsoldier | rotw, you need to copy it, yes. i would be willing to walk you through the whole process. either right here in the channel if it's ok with the ops, or in a /msg |
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| 19:29.51 | peterm1 | stew, hmm its for the 25c3 and the noc guys are freaky ^^ |
| 19:30.02 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: keep it in the channel |
| 19:30.14 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, works for me |
| 19:30.16 | peterm1 | isn't it possible to really have three virtual nics with like three different mac addresses? |
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| 19:31.32 | onetinsoldier | rotw, however, note: i do not 'guarantee' success. |
| 19:31.54 | rotw | onetinsoldier: i'll risk it ;) i've got hardly anything to lose here |
| 19:31.56 | daxroc | is "wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta" the only way to get the ath0 interface? How do I get that created on boot ? |
| 19:32.27 | eugenebiz | Hi all, I am using custom kernel and need to create replacement for linux-libc-dev and friends, any ideas how? |
| 19:33.04 | Azhrarn | how to create it, or how to get apt to recognize that you've created said replacement? |
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| 19:33.15 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, hang on.. i am starting compile of my own new kernel just now |
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| 19:33.29 | rotw | ok |
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| 19:33.54 | anddam | hello |
| 19:33.55 | eugenebiz | Azhrarn: How to build it, I know how to handle it later :-) |
| 19:34.11 | anddam | Azhrarn: my Prince... |
| 19:34.20 | Azhrarn | anddam ;) |
| 19:34.32 | stew | eugenebiz: why do you need a replacement for linux-libc-dev? |
| 19:34.39 | Azhrarn | ahh, I haven't done a source build in a while, but I think there's tools now. Failing that, you can probably apt-get source on it |
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| 19:34.46 | Azhrarn | then build and use equivs/etc |
| 19:35.18 | eugenebiz | stew: I need to rebuild some kernel dependent software and want it to be compatible with new kernel headers |
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| 19:35.24 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok.. it started. i'm ready. have you downloaded the kernel-2.6.27.7 yet? |
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| 19:36.02 | Azhrarn | eugenebiz: Check out the package debian-builder |
| 19:36.09 | Azhrarn | and maybe debget |
| 19:36.09 | stew | eugenebiz: what kernel version are you running? |
| 19:36.26 | rotw | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.27.7.bz2, onetinsoldier? |
| 19:36.38 | eugenebiz | stew: 2.6.20 that's what i have in xen VPS :-( |
| 19:36.41 | stew | Azhrarn: you mean he should rebuild all of the debian kernels binaries? |
| 19:36.50 | Azhrarn | no |
| 19:36.54 | onetinsoldier | rotw, you should grab the whole kernel.. not a patch |
| 19:36.58 | Azhrarn | he can use that to rebuild an individual package I believe |
| 19:37.34 | stew | Azhrarn: you mean if you have a debian source package which creates several binaries, you can have this only compile some of the binaries from that single source package? |
| 19:37.36 | Azhrarn | I have no idea how that would effect his other software, but he shold be aware of it if he's patching libc headers |
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| 19:37.53 | stew | Azhrarn: he's not touching libc headers |
| 19:37.56 | daxroc | is confused why iwconfig can create devices manually but /etc/networking/if-pre-up/wireless-tools does nothing |
| 19:38.32 | stew | eugenebiz: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:39.57 | Azhrarn | err, libc-dev sorry |
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| 19:39.57 | stew | Azhrarn: yeah, he's not touching that either |
| 19:40.57 | eugenebiz | I do want to replace linux-libc-dev |
| 19:40.57 | Azhrarn | ahh, he said he wanted to replace it |
| 19:40.57 | Azhrarn | yeah |
| 19:41.02 | eugenebiz | :-) |
| 19:41.02 | stew | big difference between libc and linux-libc-dev |
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| 19:43.13 | stew | eugenebiz: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:43.13 | Azhrarn | stew: I haven't used either debian-builder or debget, but they seemed to be targetted towards what he wants to do |
| 19:45.06 | Azhrarn | I normally just use apt-get source (and I haven't even used that in a while for a debian package) |
| 19:45.13 | stew | Azhrarn: i don't think he's going to want to build 8 different kernel images or whatever that would require |
| 19:45.17 | eugenebiz | The problem that all kernel related packages are now provided with single and solid package... |
| 19:45.19 | stew | right |
| 19:45.19 | Azhrarn | I'm sure he wouldn't, but I wasn't troubleshooting what he wanted, jsut what he asked ;) |
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| 19:45.24 | Azhrarn | I've seen people be willing to do some crazy stuff for custom systems, so don't generally assume one thing or another |
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| 19:45.34 | tompaw | Hi |
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| 19:45.34 | tompaw | How do I get sun-java5-plugin on etch/amd64? |
| 19:45.34 | tompaw | There's no such package in non-free repos. |
| 19:45.35 | rotw | onetinsoldier: right, sorry, got it. |
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| 19:46.39 | onetinsoldier | rotw, roger... i am wondering about this now.. i think maybe the debian 'kernel-package' package in lenny is borked. are you running the lenny version of debian? |
| 19:46.49 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yes |
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| 19:47.29 | aetheria | hi. does vim-tiny include syntax highlighting? |
| 19:47.38 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:47.47 | simonrvn | it's -tiny for a reason |
| 19:48.17 | onetinsoldier | rotw, roger. we can find out if you have the same problem. i am trying with pretty much the bleeding edge kernel... 2.6.28-rc6-git2 ..it's possible that's the problem for me. i don't know |
| 19:48.21 | aetheria | just wasn't sure *how* tiny it really was. thank you. |
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| 19:50.35 | simonrvn | aetheria: it's the bare minimum that'll fit on the installation media, such as the cds or floppies, though the floppies they still use nano-tiny i think.... |
| 19:51.06 | onetinsoldier | for module in ; do this is happening to me with the make-kpkg guys... any idea why there is a 'blank' after for module in ? |
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| 19:52.02 | onetinsoldier | rotw, you know how to unpack the kernel source? |
| 19:52.06 | dec3pti0n | is there another way to edit the crontabs under /var/spool/cron/crontabs through a bash script ? |
| 19:52.17 | onetinsoldier | rotw, go to the /usr/src directory |
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| 19:52.22 | abrotman | dec3pti0n: instead of ? |
| 19:52.47 | dec3pti0n | The headers of those files say not to edit them using sed on a bash script and I can't use crontab -e |
| 19:53.00 | aetheria | what manpage lists apt-get's -o options? |
| 19:53.20 | rotw | onetinsoldier: tar -xf ? |
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| 19:54.40 | onetinsoldier | rotw, tar -jxf /path/to/kernel-2.6.27.7.tar.bz2 -C . |
| 19:55.56 | onetinsoldier | will try and debug make-kpkg later |
| 19:57.42 | macondo | is it possible to make my box automatically turn on after a power shortage? |
| 19:58.00 | rotw | onetinsoldier: in /usr/src, right? |
| 19:58.09 | onetinsoldier | rotw, yep |
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| 19:59.13 | themill | macondo: sometimes you BIOS can do that. |
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| 20:00.18 | macondo | themill: I'm asking because I saw this morning some configuration you could give to runlevel of what to do after a power down or something like that. but I really don't remember well |
| 20:01.07 | onetinsoldier | rotw, and if you read the REAMDE it'll tell you not to do it in /usr/src. what they say about it may be relevant for other distros or perhaps even relevant for at one point in time debian, but not anymore |
| 20:01.46 | onetinsoldier | at one point in time for debian(long ago)* |
| 20:02.29 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok |
| 20:02.34 | pawbie | macondo: Get a UPS. |
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| 20:03.10 | onetinsoldier | rotw, is it done unpacking? do an 'ls' when it done |
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| 20:03.57 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yep |
| 20:04.22 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok. now do an lsand tell me the name of the dir it created |
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| 20:05.31 | rotw | onetinsoldier: it unpacked all the files in the current directory... |
| 20:06.29 | SparFux | Why the hell don't I get output with export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose when I run glxinfo ? |
| 20:06.44 | Firefishe | A quick apt-get question: I recently installed the bind9 name server system, and now want to remove it. Problem is, when I do that, it automatically want to remove my entire gnome desktop. I installed kde recently, but don't want to lose gnome. |
| 20:06.58 | onetinsoldier | rotw, it should have created a directory! perhaps you didn't do the tar command exactly as i pasted it in the channel here |
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| 20:08.03 | onetinsoldier | rotw, do you now have a whole mess of files in /usr/src? |
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| 20:08.20 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yes, but i know which files were there already |
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| 20:08.44 | onetinsoldier | rotw, how many files and dirs did you already have in there? |
| 20:08.51 | smacnay | What sorts of system monitors are there that work over a network? Besides gkrellm? |
| 20:08.52 | rotw | i'll stuff all the mess in linux-2.6.27.7 |
| 20:08.58 | rotw | onetinsoldier: 4 |
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| 20:09.11 | kunwon1 | smacnay, nagios |
| 20:09.15 | smacnay | kunwon1: thanks |
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| 20:10.08 | onetinsoldier | ok,, move them out of the way.. then in /usr/src you can do like rm -R '*.*' ...but be damn careful! |
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| 20:10.20 | themill | dpkg: tell Firefishe about unmarkauto |
| 20:10.22 | rdz | is it possible to prevent a certain user from becoming root? |
| 20:10.45 | onetinsoldier | rotw, sounds like yo know how to handle it anyway.... good |
| 20:10.46 | kunwon1 | rdz, not if they have the root password |
| 20:10.54 | streuner | hehe |
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| 20:11.23 | rotw | onetinsoldier: done. |
| 20:11.38 | iceman2 | does anyone have any experience with ffmpeg?? |
| 20:11.57 | rdz | kunwon1, i see... |
| 20:11.59 | Firefishe | thanks mill |
| 20:12.08 | kunwon1 | iceman2, it's better if you just ask your actual question |
| 20:12.11 | onetinsoldier | rotw, roger.. here is the tar command again. i recommend you copy and paste it into your terminal.. the entire command this time |
| 20:12.21 | iceman2 | Audio resampler only works with 16 bits per sample, patch welcome. |
| 20:12.33 | iceman2 | i keep getting that error when trying to convert a video to FLV |
| 20:12.37 | smacnay | kunwon1: anything that can be run on a desktop and sit without needing a web browser to view? |
| 20:12.45 | onetinsoldier | rotw, tar -jxf /path/to/kernel-2.6.27.7.tar.bz2 -C . |
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| 20:13.18 | kunwon1 | iceman2, is 16 bits per sample insufficient for your needs? |
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| 20:13.31 | Firefishe | themill: What would the gnome metapackage's name be? |
| 20:13.40 | rotw | onetinsoldier: er, i've already got it in /usr/src |
| 20:13.49 | iceman2 | this is what im calling.. |
| 20:13.59 | buu | iceman2: I'm guessing it means that the audio resambler only works with 16 bits per channel. |
| 20:13.59 | Firefishe | onetine |
| 20:14.03 | kunwon1 | smacnay, don't know |
| 20:14.03 | buu | *sample |
| 20:14.04 | Firefishe | tar -xjvf |
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| 20:14.21 | onetinsoldier | rotw, oh? did i misundertand? i thought the kernel did not unpack into it's dir when you unpacked it |
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| 20:14.34 | iceman2 | " ffmpeg -i test.avi -acodec libmp3lame -ar 22050 -ab 32000 -ac 1 -f flv -s 320x240 -r 30 m.flv " |
| 20:14.38 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: you forgot the x, as in `tar -xjvf' |
| 20:14.56 | iceman2 | it just keeps giving me that 16 bit error. no matter what codec i try or what video file i try. |
| 20:15.04 | onetinsoldier | did i? |
| 20:15.16 | iceman2 | ffmpeg says the avi is "Stream #0.1: Audio: pcm_u8, 11024 Hz, mono, s16, 88 kb/s |
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| 20:15.20 | kunwon1 | iceman2, is 16 bits per sample insufficient for your needs? |
| 20:15.23 | iceman2 | yes |
| 20:15.28 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, no.. i didn't. |
| 20:15.53 | buu | iceman2: Sounds like ffmpeg isn't sufficient then.. |
| 20:16.03 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: imho. for a .tar.bz2 file, I've always done it: tar -xjvf <filename>. Just a caveat...I'm done. |
| 20:16.04 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, the 'v' is optional.. i had the x... tar -jxf /path/to/kernel-2.6.27.7.tar.bz2 -C . |
| 20:16.13 | kunwon1 | iceman2, what the error message is saying is that that version of ffmpeg is not capable of doing better than 16 bits per channel. You might need a newer version, or a different app |
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| 20:16.18 | onetinsoldier | v is completely optional |
| 20:16.19 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: DOH |
| 20:16.23 | Firefishe | right..... |
| 20:16.29 | rotw | onetinsoldier: it didn't, dunno how i did it, but i pushed it into its proper dir :) |
| 20:16.30 | Firefishe | jumps into a vat of tomato paste |
| 20:16.34 | stew | the - i optional too |
| 20:16.36 | iceman2 | so how would i use less than 16 bits per channel just to get this thing to work |
| 20:16.37 | stew | is* |
| 20:17.01 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, roger. now, what is the name of that dir? |
| 20:17.03 | stew | iceman2: what are you doing that really needs more than 16bit? |
| 20:17.07 | Firefishe | I swear, I need new glasses and time to do some anagrams |
| 20:17.16 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, hehe |
| 20:17.30 | iceman2 | honestly. i dont care what the bit rate is. i just need video to convert to flv. doesnt matter what bit rate it is. i really know nothing of audio bit rates and samples and all that jazz |
| 20:17.43 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: sorry...gotta learn to *look more closesly*. |
| 20:17.43 | rotw | linux-2.6.27.7, onetinsoldier |
| 20:17.49 | Firefishe | closely even |
| 20:17.49 | iceman2 | i just need it converted to any quality to flv. thats all :) |
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| 20:17.56 | BleSS | hi! |
| 20:17.59 | BleSS | does anybody knows if is possible get the ip address of net. card used by default --readind in /proc or /sys--? without use *ip addr ls dev eth0* |
| 20:18.24 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, np.. i make the same type of mistake when reading stuff on here all the time.. and end up feeling like an idiot |
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| 20:19.10 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok... now do the following command... ln -sv linux-2.6.27.7 linux |
| 20:19.44 | rotw | onetinsoldier: done |
| 20:19.47 | BleSS | I mean without use a command else reading in any virtual directory |
| 20:19.58 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, ls -l linux look good? |
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| 20:20.52 | onetinsoldier | rotw, shold be light blue in color if you have ls colors enabled |
| 20:20.59 | onetinsoldier | should* |
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| 20:21.51 | adrenaline | Helloooo |
| 20:21.58 | kunwon1 | !hi |
| 20:21.58 | dpkg | hello, kunwon1 |
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| 20:23.09 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yep |
| 20:23.09 | kunwon1 | awww. |
| 20:23.09 | kunwon1 | I was hoping for something more clever. |
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| 20:23.09 | adrenaline | Hey what file do I need to edit to not include kernels for updates in debian |
| 20:23.11 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok. do you have a 'modules' dir in /src/src yet? |
| 20:23.11 | onetinsoldier | oops... /usr/src |
| 20:23.12 | stew | iceman2: i think you are getting bits per sample and bits per second confused. 16 bits per sample is rarely exceeded, it is the number of bits per sample on a audio CD for instance |
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| 20:23.33 | iceman2 | okay. so what am i doing wrong in the conversion process |
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| 20:23.47 | stew | ls |
| 20:23.48 | stew | err |
| 20:23.54 | iceman2 | seems no matter what flags i send... i get that same freakin message |
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| 20:24.05 | rotw | onetinsoldier: no. let me guess, i should make one? |
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| 20:24.14 | aetheria_ | crap, what's the nano command to save and exit? |
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| 20:24.28 | streuner | CTRL O |
| 20:24.29 | onetinsoldier | hey folks. is there a way to get make menuconfig on kernel to show you 'only what's new'? |
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| 20:24.32 | kunwon1 | aetheria, ctrl+x |
| 20:24.32 | streuner | to save |
| 20:24.43 | onetinsoldier | rotw, yes, make one |
| 20:24.45 | plb__ | hm is there no flash plugin nonfree in lenny/ |
| 20:24.46 | plb__ | ? |
| 20:24.58 | stew | iceman2: you could resample the input file with sox perhaps? |
| 20:24.59 | streuner | aetheria: open your eyes! |
| 20:25.01 | aetheria_ | yeah, ctrl-x asks if i want to save buffer. i answer y and then it puts me back into the file |
| 20:25.04 | onetinsoldier | plb__, are you running 64-bit? |
| 20:25.08 | plb__ | no |
| 20:25.18 | sk4 | ps aux|grep ntp |
| 20:25.18 | onetinsoldier | plb__, copy.. dunno |
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| 20:25.24 | sk4 | lol |
| 20:25.32 | kunwon1 | dpkg, tell plb__ about adobe flash |
| 20:25.37 | rotw | onetinsoldier: done |
| 20:25.38 | stew | plb__: there is a flash plugin downloader in contrib, and there is a free flash player named 'gnash' in main |
| 20:25.39 | themill | Firefishe: take a guess... you'll probably be right (you can also /msg dpkg install gnome) |
| 20:25.47 | plb__ | ah |
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| 20:25.49 | plb__ | thanks |
| 20:26.00 | stew | plb__: you are probably looking for flashplugin-nonfree which is in contrib |
| 20:26.13 | aetheria_ | christ, how to exit nano? |
| 20:26.17 | streuner | aetheria: just look at the bottom, there is every command, just use CTRL and the stuff you need... |
| 20:26.31 | aetheria_ | ctrl-x says exit, but it doesn't |
| 20:26.44 | plb__ | ok thanks |
| 20:26.49 | themill | Alt+F2; pkill is one way. |
| 20:26.52 | aetheria_ | "save modified buffer" i say y. press enter, then it goes back into edit mode |
| 20:26.53 | kunwon1 | aetheria_, after you press ctrl+x it should ask you if you want to save your file.You must answer before it will proceed. |
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| 20:26.56 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok... cd linux && cp -v /boot/config-2.6.26-1-amd64 .config |
| 20:27.15 | kunwon1 | aetheria_, that's strange.. |
| 20:27.20 | aetheria_ | it sucks! |
| 20:27.32 | streuner | idiot |
| 20:27.37 | onetinsoldier | hey folks. is there a way to get make menuconfig on kernel to show you 'only what's new'? |
| 20:27.53 | nan8 | hi! i often do 'du --max-depth=1 -x|sort -n' - unfortunately this is quite slow - is there a faster alternative or some way to speed it up? a filesystem keeping track of disk usage? some cron job similar to locate? any hints? |
| 20:27.54 | aetheria_ | jesus, i need an editor. on phone with tech support. no network, editing network config file... |
| 20:28.00 | abrotman | that would defeat the purpose .. and ask ##kernel |
| 20:28.50 | aetheria_ | oh, permission error on the file. duh! |
| 20:28.59 | rotw | onetinsoldier: done |
| 20:29.05 | kunwon1 | aren't error messages great |
| 20:29.11 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, ok, kind of what i figured |
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| 20:29.32 | iceman2 | sox supports video files? |
| 20:29.43 | stew | iceman2: no, only audio |
| 20:29.50 | streuner | !info sox |
| 20:29.50 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok... now ready to configure it? oh boy... make menuconfig tell me when you in there |
| 20:30.24 | dpkg | sox: (Swiss army knife of sound processing), section sound, is optional. Version: 14.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 110 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 20:30.29 | aetheria_ | crap |
| 20:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, ah yes - that was it :) |
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| 20:31.44 | Sebboh | I'm thinking about using zoneedit.com for a commercial site that has less than 500 users total. Sound good, or should I use someone else? |
| 20:32.47 | rotw | onetinsoldier: am in the the configuration screen. over. |
| 20:33.36 | rotw | onetinsoldier: i should mention that i'd need the iwlwifi-5000 drivers |
| 20:33.39 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, you need to go through and look everything over. you will be looking for anything that says (NEW) to the far right of the kernel option |
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| 20:35.06 | onetinsoldier | rotw, when an option says new you need to determine if you need it.. all this may not totally necessary. however it's a damn good idea to look it all over, and it takes time, i know |
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| 20:35.51 | onetinsoldier | rotw, if you really want, you can just exit out and go for compiling, it's up to you |
| 20:35.52 | tetraedr | hi |
| 20:36.31 | tetraedr | I've got onboard ethernet nic and it gets up as eth0_rename. it works ok, but it's just out of place. how do I fix this? |
| 20:36.48 | rotw | onetinsoldier: "Prevent firmware from being built" - should i turn that off? |
| 20:37.11 | onetinsoldier | rotw, hang on |
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| 20:37.19 | hersoy | hi |
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| 20:38.10 | SparFux | What libGL alternatives are there in debian? I want dri ready, but it doesn't work. |
| 20:38.27 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i don't remember where everything is there's so many options, i'm looking.. under general setup? |
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| 20:40.07 | rotw | onetinsoldier: Networking support -> device drivers -> generic driver options |
| 20:40.33 | tetraedr | any ideas what to do with eth0_rename? |
| 20:41.32 | kenjy | guys there is a xfce applet who locks the session (starting xscreensaver) do you know the name of this package? |
| 20:41.53 | pawbie | I don't remember, but I thought it was just xlock or something. |
| 20:42.02 | dante_2core | kenjy, tried this one? xfce4-utils - Various tools for Xfce |
| 20:42.04 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i am not totally certain. i built it into the kernel |
| 20:42.16 | kenjy | dante_2core: no yet, let me try |
| 20:42.17 | rotw | ok |
| 20:42.18 | onetinsoldier | rotw, it says if unsure say Y |
| 20:42.29 | pawbie | kenjy: xscreensaver should also do what you want. |
| 20:42.38 | dante_2core | kenjy, it's in there. |
| 20:42.39 | dante_2core | xfce4-utils: /usr/share/man/man1/xflock4.1.gz |
| 20:42.57 | kenjy | pawbie: yes but there is a xfce4 applet for the xfce panel |
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| 20:43.27 | pawbie | oh |
| 20:43.28 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i can't remember for sure.. but i think there's a reason it's needed. some kernel options aren't availabel unless you have enabled other kernel options., for instance |
| 20:43.33 | kunwon1 | tetraedr, may I suggest googling for eth0_rename |
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| 20:43.58 | kenjy | and there is a image viewer for xfce but I don't remember the name it is better than eog |
| 20:44.05 | kunwon1 | kenjy, ristretto |
| 20:44.14 | kenjy | kunwon1: tnks |
| 20:44.16 | stew | tetraedr: that generally means the udev got confused while trying to rename your interfaces (/msg dpkg z25). do you have multiple interfaces with the same MAC address? |
| 20:44.32 | tetraedr | kunwon1, I'm doing this, but most of solutions give me this: rm /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net*;/lib/udev/write_net_rules |
| 20:44.44 | iceman2 | where is the PHP binary typically found on debian |
| 20:44.48 | onetinsoldier | rotw, btw, your iwlwifi-5000 drivers should be enabled since you used the config from /boot :-) |
| 20:44.54 | stew | iceman2: which php binary? |
| 20:45.02 | iceman2 | the interpretter |
| 20:45.13 | tetraedr | stew, I've got nForce chipset, so maybe it gets up with different macs everytime, I see messages from people on that issue |
| 20:45.13 | iceman2 | the boss |
| 20:45.17 | iceman2 | big man upstairs |
| 20:45.26 | pawbie | iceman2: /usr/bin/php for the shell version. |
| 20:45.46 | rotw | onetinsoldier: alright, compiling |
| 20:45.53 | stew | tetraedr: /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 20:46.10 | stew | iceman2: /usr/bin/php5 (after you installed the php5-cli package) |
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| 20:46.16 | macondo | mp3blaster is not trivial to use |
| 20:46.26 | onetinsoldier | rotw, wait! the debian way is to use the make-kpg command. see the following.... |
| 20:46.28 | tetraedr | steeljav, thanks |
| 20:46.32 | onetinsoldier | !kp mantra |
| 20:46.32 | dpkg | hmm... kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 20:46.53 | iceman2 | funny. both directories do not exist. |
| 20:47.02 | rotw | onetinsoldier: k stopped :P |
| 20:47.04 | rotw | sorry |
| 20:47.04 | stew | iceman2: /usr/bin doesn't exist? |
| 20:47.11 | pawbie | iceman2: You're in rough shape. |
| 20:47.16 | onetinsoldier | rotw, did you use ctrl-c to stop it? |
| 20:47.20 | hardbop200 | hey all - I'm working on syslogging to a mysql database. I can either do this via a named pipe, or call the program (mysql) directly from syslog-ng.conf. I don't know which is better, named pipes or direct calling. can someone help point me to some RTFM on this? |
| 20:47.27 | pawbie | iceman2: apt-get install php-cli.. wait.. What are you trying to do? |
| 20:47.38 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ... yes. shit, i did something wrong, didn't i? |
| 20:47.43 | tetraedr | went rebooting |
| 20:47.45 | onetinsoldier | rotw, no |
| 20:47.49 | stew | pawbie: he means php5-cli, not php-cli |
| 20:47.51 | iceman2 | im trying to reinstall this whole ffmpeg thing from scratch.. and the php-ffmpeg |
| 20:47.53 | rotw | PHEW |
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| 20:48.16 | adb | !rebooting |
| 20:48.16 | adb | !reboot |
| 20:48.16 | dpkg | somebody said rebooting was for adding hardware, or for kernel upgrades. In other cases, you probably don't need it. Ask me about <qotd2> |
| 20:48.16 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 20:48.37 | stew | iceman2: are you running php from the command line or from apache? or what? |
| 20:48.43 | onetinsoldier | rotw, other than not using make-kpg you haven't done anything wrong. and make-kpg isn't absolutely mandatory, but it is the debian way |
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| 20:49.01 | rotw | onetinsoldier: in what way? *prepares to do make-kpg* |
| 20:49.02 | iceman2 | apache.. its not cgi enabled so i cant do it from the command line |
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| 20:49.27 | stew | iceman2: apache or apache2? php4 or php5? |
| 20:49.28 | onetinsoldier | rotw, it make installing/upgrading the kernel a lot easier! i never leave home with out it |
| 20:49.43 | rotw | ah, ok |
| 20:49.47 | rotw | sounds good |
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| 20:49.58 | onetinsoldier | rotw, apt-get install kernel-package |
| 20:50.01 | iceman2 | PHP Version 5.2.6 Apache 2.0 Handler |
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| 20:50.14 | stew | iceman2: then the binary is /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so in the libapache2-mod-php5 package |
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| 20:50.27 | dob1 | hi. it is possible to put a quota/limit on a directory? |
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| 20:50.29 | rotw | onetinsoldier: already done |
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| 20:50.31 | rotw | hi shahri :) |
| 20:50.46 | shahri | hi :P |
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| 20:50.54 | rotw | onetinsoldier: did make-kpkg, can i make now? :) |
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| 20:51.13 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok. good.. now i think the bot's command for kp matra needs some fixing. i will paste in my fixed version of it |
| 20:51.19 | DexterF | hi |
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| 20:51.39 | onetinsoldier | rotw, hang on.. slow down. you're getting ahead of yourself |
| 20:51.53 | onetinsoldier | rotw, you still in /usr/src/linux? |
| 20:51.57 | abrotman | you fixed it? |
| 20:52.01 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yes |
| 20:52.11 | onetinsoldier | ok.. do, make mrproper |
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| 20:52.37 | tetraedr | hm, thats odd: mac is the same, but still no rename action |
| 20:52.52 | onetinsoldier | cleans up the stale .o files from the aborted make you did earlier |
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| 20:52.58 | ehtom | how can I force apt to re-download packages it has already downloaded |
| 20:53.08 | stew | ehtom: why would you want to? |
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| 20:53.17 | DexterF | tried to compile the VMware tools on lenny - breaks: different gcc version than the kernel was built with. I heard there's an easy fix to this involving symlinks, can someone enlighten me? |
| 20:53.47 | peterm1 | hi this is driving me crazy: # ifconfig tap0 0.0.0.0 promisc up \n tap0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 20:53.59 | nick|here | anyone can help me installing debian on a macbook pro? i've been able to boot the cd once, done the dd stuff to clear the gpt table and now i can't event boot the cd. it starts booting but stalls after a line starting with sd 0:0:0:0: Attached.... |
| 20:54.07 | peterm1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.12 | onetinsoldier | rotw, did you change anything at all in the kernel configuration(the make menuconfig)? |
| 20:54.15 | peterm1 | and tun kernel module is loaed |
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| 20:54.49 | rotw | onetinsoldier: a few things, yes |
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| 20:55.08 | ehtom | stew: because a package is corrupted |
| 20:55.11 | tetraedr | stew, still the same problem |
| 20:55.23 | onetinsoldier | rotw, have you run make mrproper ? if you haven't, wait! don't do it yet |
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| 20:55.37 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: how about you get your thoughts in order before you mess up his system |
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| 20:55.57 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, do you want to take over for me?\ |
| 20:56.01 | onetinsoldier | pffft! |
| 20:56.04 | peterm1 | ah btw. stew, i found a way to have multiple macs :-D you simply have to create a virtual switch (via a bridge of eth0) and multiple tap devices |
| 20:56.08 | abrotman | i wouldn't even know what damage you've done so far :) |
| 20:56.15 | peterm1 | but it's not possible to create a tap device |
| 20:56.24 | abrotman | make-kpkg is pretty dead easy though for basic usage |
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| 20:56.27 | peterm1 | which somehow makes the hole story uninteressing *g* |
| 20:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterm1, I guess you tried without the 0.0.0.0? also, I thought you needn't use ifconfig for those ... well, kind of virtual devices |
| 20:56.49 | Esaj | what's a way to truncate a large file, e.g. 4GB to a smaller size e.g. 2GB? |
| 20:56.51 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, yeah. andhe started compiling without using it.. i had no idea he was going to do that |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | Esaj: just truncate? or split up ? |
| 20:57.29 | rotw | oi, look, i don't know anything about the refined art of kernel compiling :/ |
| 20:57.47 | peterm1 | CutMeOwnThroat, yes i did try without no change. how would you create them without ifconfig? |
| 20:57.55 | peterm1 | in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:57.57 | Esaj | abrotman: just truncate |
| 20:58.11 | Esaj | abrotman: I only need the first 2GB or so |
| 20:58.14 | abrotman | Esaj: you can use 'dd' .. or 'split' .. but split will make two files |
| 20:58.23 | Esaj | abrotman: cool, thanks |
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| 20:58.24 | onetinsoldier | rotw, it's ok.. you will after this. but you probably won't be very familiar with all those kernel options, which is sort of ok. |
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| 20:58.47 | onetinsoldier | rotw, have you run make mrproper ? if you haven't, wait! don't do it yet |
| 20:58.50 | kunwon1 | always best to get high before configuring kernel options |
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| 20:59.03 | abrotman | such as dd if=/my/old/file of=/new/file bs=2G count=1 |
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| 20:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterm1, no, I think they're (should be) just created when the module is loded - did you try ... something like wossname "airmon-ng eth0 start"? |
| 20:59.28 | abrotman | or split --bytes=2G .. etc |
| 20:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | (exchange eth0 against the device you want to create the tap-one from) |
| 20:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | (obviously) |
| 20:59.52 | macondo | can I intercept the sound and pipe it? |
| 21:00.25 | Esaj | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:00.30 | peterm1 | CutMeOwnThroat, no no tap devices are listed in ifconfig :-/ isn't airmon just a simple sniffer? |
| 21:00.33 | onetinsoldier | rotw, hello? |
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| 21:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterm1, "man airmon-ng" airmon is a helper-application which does exactly what you're trying to do |
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| 21:01.26 | rotw | onetinsoldier: hi, sorry, was away for a moment, no i haven't done mrproper |
| 21:02.13 | peterm1 | CatMeOwnThroat, ,, airmon-ng - bash script designed to turn wireless cards into monitor mode '' ? ok i'll give it a gry :-? |
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| 21:02.48 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok.. good.. we are going to backup your .config(the few changes you made) do... cp -v .config ../config-kernel-2.6.27.7 or whatever name you want to give the file |
| 21:03.51 | peterm1 | CatMeOwnThroat, no difference :-/ |
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| 21:05.45 | tetraedr | solved the problem: echo add > /sys/class/net/eth0/uevent and edited /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 21:05.53 | tetraedr | rebooting and I hope it'll work |
| 21:06.14 | DexterF | nvm, googled it |
| 21:07.04 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok |
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| 21:07.23 | tetraedr | yeah, it works now |
| 21:07.24 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok.. now do make mrproper |
| 21:07.25 | tetraedr | thanks for help people |
| 21:07.54 | Fare | what's the "correct" package to use for power management in debian, these days? |
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| 21:08.57 | Firefishe | I need to purge my lenny system of all alsa files, including compiled ones, so I can use the fresh tarballs from alsa-project.org. I've currently got a conglomerate of problems. I've done the following: 1.) Recently installed OSS just to see if my system works (which it does.) 2.) B4 that, compiled alsa tarballs. 3. ) Still have normal debian packages. |
| 21:09.10 | Firefishe | What can I do to make the system pristine, sound wise. |
| 21:09.33 | themill | Fare: I use powersaved with kpowersave as a GUI for it. |
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| 21:10.11 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok, done |
| 21:10.47 | Esaj | abrotman: FYI, I found a quick way of truncating here: http://arhuaco.blogspot.com/2005/03/how-to-truncate-file-with-dd.html |
| 21:10.56 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, now do... cp -v ../config-kernel-2.6.27.7 .config |
| 21:11.18 | abrotman | Esaj: ah, that's another way, yep |
| 21:11.43 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yep |
| 21:12.09 | onetinsoldier | rotw, running a make mrproper deletes the .config file, so that's why we backed it up and are now cpoying it back into place |
| 21:12.16 | rotw | yup |
| 21:12.19 | rotw | i saw that |
| 21:12.22 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 21:12.28 | onetinsoldier | now... |
| 21:13.04 | onetinsoldier | rotw, the next command is fairly lengthy, but here it is... |
| 21:13.34 | onetinsoldier | rotw, make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" |
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| 21:14.57 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, could you fix the kp mantra command dpkg has in it's db? i believe it needs a space between the '+' |
| 21:15.07 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok, done |
| 21:15.33 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok... next one starts the compiling... ready? |
| 21:15.56 | onetinsoldier | rotw, make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
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| 21:16.48 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 21:16.48 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 21:16.55 | abrotman | seems fine to me |
| 21:17.01 | onetinsoldier | rotw, that will take a while.. and there is even a chance it will bomb out. but it's worth a shot |
| 21:17.01 | abrotman | you mean where the date command is? |
| 21:17.05 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 21:17.10 | nick|here | debian installation cd freezes when booting at sd:0:0:0: is on screen |
| 21:17.13 | rotw | onetinsoldier: okay |
| 21:17.16 | onetinsoldier | needs a space after the + |
| 21:17.28 | abrotman | $ date +'%Y%m%d' |
| 21:17.28 | abrotman | 20081201 |
| 21:17.30 | abrotman | works just fine |
| 21:17.35 | onetinsoldier | hmmm, ok |
| 21:18.03 | rotw | onetinsoldier: good chance to test out this thing :) |
| 21:18.34 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, doh! you're right.. it's what i have too. it seemed that i had to do 'something' to fix it on my system. i got it from dpkg like a week ago |
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| 21:19.15 | onetinsoldier | rotw, yes exactly. and if works out you will really like it... you'll see |
| 21:19.20 | jpinx | I dd'd my / to another partition and it all works fine, but there seems to be permission discrepancies - for example /etc/sudoers came up being owned by me, not by root. Easy to fix, but now I suspect I have a very insecure OS, and I wondered if there is any wat to re-establish the correct ownerships for everything in / |
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| 21:19.55 | plb__ | argh anyone want to help i have no xvideo in lenny |
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| 21:22.15 | LnxSlck | plb__, check your xorg config |
| 21:22.21 | plb__ | I did |
| 21:22.23 | LnxSlck | plb__, put vesa driver and try that |
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| 21:23.00 | Fare | will powersaved handle the magic keys on my lenovo laptop, or is there another debian package to install for that, or some configuration to do in an existing package? |
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| 21:23.19 | Fare | plb__, what graphics card are you using? |
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| 21:23.21 | abrotman | powertop will help you see what's chewing battery |
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| 21:23.29 | plb__ | Fare: ati |
| 21:23.31 | abrotman | Fare: see lesswatts.org |
| 21:23.33 | plb__ | something |
| 21:23.43 | plb__ | laptop toshiba a215 |
| 21:24.02 | plb__ | it was working fine in latest ubuntu but I don't want ubuntu on my laptop any more |
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| 21:24.20 | plb__ | everything else seems to work fine but no xv extension |
| 21:24.22 | plb__ | =\ |
| 21:25.04 | Fare | do you have a recently generated xorg.conf, or an old one? |
| 21:25.14 | Fare | did you try adding the xv module there? |
| 21:25.26 | plb__ | I have whichever one lenny generated upon installing xorg |
| 21:26.06 | plb__ | which should I be looking for to ensure working xv? |
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| 21:32.36 | plb__ | disconnected |
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| 21:32.54 | plb__ | so any clue about xv and fglrx/ |
| 21:32.57 | plb__ | ? |
| 21:33.51 | onetinsoldier | rotw, still going ok? |
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| 21:35.28 | Fare | plb: dunno. did you try to jfgi? |
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| 21:37.09 | plb__ | damn that didn't work |
| 21:37.18 | plb__ | so I can't use fglrx driver and xvideo? |
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| 21:37.58 | plb__ | aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv |
| 21:38.04 | plb__ | that didn't seem to work |
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| 21:42.37 | InnerFIRE | anyone know why logrotat.conf would be ignored ? |
| 21:43.02 | InnerFIRE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:43.49 | Fare | did you run the app with debugging turned on? did you strace it? |
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| 21:45.25 | onetinsoldier | i'm wondering why my /var/log/messages file isn't getting compressed and rotated. haven't tried to look into it yet tho |
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| 21:45.42 | onetinsoldier | it's working for other files in /var/log |
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| 21:46.35 | onetinsoldier | correction, it's working for only one file.. the dmesg.log file |
| 21:47.07 | onetinsoldier | oops... just dmesg (not dmesg.log) |
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| 21:48.47 | onetinsoldier | rotw, so what's going on? did it finish yet? |
| 21:49.02 | InnerFIRE | Fare: its reading the config file.. it's just ignoring what I put in there |
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| 21:50.13 | InnerFIRE | still rotates daily instead of the weekly setting that's configed and keeping only 4 logs instad of the 52 I requested |
| 21:51.10 | SerajewelKS | how can i force exim to process the entire queue of messages right now? |
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| 21:51.53 | petemc | SerajewelKS: exim4 -qff |
| 21:51.58 | SerajewelKS | i acidentally wrote what's esentially a fork bomb and stuck it in a cron script, then left for vacation. so i have a bazillion emails that need to get processed, and it's taking its time. |
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| 21:52.14 | petemc | you sure you dont want to just delete the messages? |
| 21:52.14 | SerajewelKS | petemc: thanks |
| 21:52.28 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i'm not sure which ones are for which mailboxes yet |
| 21:52.37 | petemc | exipick -i | xargs exim4 -Mrm ; would delete all mails on the queue |
| 21:52.39 | SerajewelKS | petemc: so i need it to process them, then i can empty the affected mailbox |
| 21:52.41 | InnerFIRE | SerajewelKS: you may have to delete the que .. exim chokes if it has too many messages in the que |
| 21:52.46 | petemc | well, you can be more specific with exipick |
| 21:53.39 | InnerFIRE | gets the feeling that debian should not be used in Payment card industry environments |
| 21:53.43 | petemc | exipick -f "foo@bar" -i |xargs exim4 -Mrm will delete all mails frm foo@bar |
| 21:53.47 | hmmhesays | i have the strangest thing going on, I have a bunch of addresses assigned to eth1, ... eth1:1 eth1:2 eth1:3 and if I do ifconfig eth:1:1 down it brings them all down |
| 21:54.11 | hmmhesays | ifconfig eth1:1 down |
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| 21:56.25 | InnerFIRE | hmm |
| 21:56.50 | InnerFIRE | anyoneknow where I can get help with logrotate .. before the auditors find out ? |
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| 21:56.56 | SerajewelKS | petemc: it just delivered all of the messages it says, but there's still a few files in /var/spool/exim4/input -- what would these be, and is there a correct way to get rid of them? |
| 21:57.20 | petemc | SerajewelKS: theres nothing on the queue ? |
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| 21:59.03 | SerajewelKS | petemc: not that i can see |
| 21:59.12 | petemc | how are you checking? |
| 21:59.44 | SerajewelKS | petemc: exipick with no arguments |
| 21:59.45 | rotw | onetinsoldier: Error 2: http://nopaste.com/p/aznBhMVZh :/ |
| 21:59.51 | petemc | mailq |
| 21:59.55 | rotw | * several errors |
| 21:59.59 | onetinsoldier | rotw, damn.. i'll have a look |
| 22:00.13 | SerajewelKS | petemc: no output |
| 22:00.52 | petemc | SerajewelKS: you could probably safely delete them |
| 22:01.00 | SerajewelKS | petemc: ok |
| 22:01.00 | InnerFIRE | wonders if anyone can see what hes typing |
| 22:01.16 | hmmhesays | no idea what this is happening |
| 22:01.44 | onetinsoldier | rotw, do you have the following file on your system? /usr/include/zlib.h |
| 22:01.45 | Firefishe | InnerFIRE: I can see it, but it seems *pink* to me. Might want to adjust your output to normal color. |
| 22:02.14 | InnerFIRE | heh |
| 22:02.25 | Firefishe | InnerFIRE: That's bettah |
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| 22:02.30 | InnerFIRE | any idea where I can find help with logrorate? |
| 22:02.44 | Firefishe | not familiar with it myself. |
| 22:03.09 | InnerFIRE | great |
| 22:03.24 | stew | InnerFIRE: what do you need to know about it? |
| 22:03.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | InnerFIRE, are you getting messages from cron? :) |
| 22:04.40 | InnerFIRE | CutMeOwnThroat: no messages at all |
| 22:04.41 | onetinsoldier | rotw, hello? |
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| 22:05.16 | InnerFIRE | stew: I have a dedicated log server that is by regulation supposed to keep all logs for 1 year |
| 22:05.22 | rotw | onetinsoldier: damn, no |
| 22:05.55 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, roger apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
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| 22:06.07 | kenjy | dante_2core: the package xfce4-utils don't contain the applet for lock the screen in xfce4 |
| 22:06.15 | rotw | onetinsoldier: and start all over again? |
| 22:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | InnerFIRE, hm, I normally got those by mail when logrotate failed once more to rotate stuff - I think it's normal to fail once a month, because then some monthly script will collide with the daily one (but that's just my impression from the mails, haven't investigated it properly) |
| 22:06.21 | kenjy | some remebers the name of the package who locks de screen in xfce4? |
| 22:06.26 | InnerFIRE | stew: it;s ignoring my "weekly" and "rotate 52" |
| 22:06.49 | InnerFIRE | CutMeOwnThroat: the problem is that it's rotating too often and deleting too soon |
| 22:07.02 | onetinsoldier | rotw, depends on what you mean by start all over again. after getting that installed what do you think your next step should be? |
| 22:07.15 | stew | InnerFIRE: which log are you talking about? |
| 22:07.16 | rotw | onetinsoldier: the compiling command again? |
| 22:07.17 | hochron | so why should I install debian versus ubuntu? |
| 22:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I never really cared about logrotate... and left it at it's defaults |
| 22:07.25 | stew | hochron: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 22:08.00 | InnerFIRE | stew: auth.log and syslog.conf |
| 22:08.22 | InnerFIRE | stew: auth.log and syslog |
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| 22:08.32 | stew | InnerFIRE: logrotate doesn't rotate syslog logs, syslog rotates them itself in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 22:08.47 | InnerFIRE | ahah |
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| 22:09.00 | onetinsoldier | rotw, nope. you must clear out the linux kernel again with make mrproper && cp -v ../config-kernel-2.6.27.7 .config |
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| 22:10.04 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok, now again? |
| 22:10.07 | onetinsoldier | rotw, then... make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" |
| 22:10.27 | InnerFIRE | stew: so I find the setting in here to keep 360 logs |
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| 22:11.13 | stew | InnerFIRE: yes, you'd change the savelog call to keep more, and maybe move it from cron.daily to cron.weekly |
| 22:11.24 | macondo | I ran alsaconfig and got the audio working with alsa. Now I rebooted and it's not working. How do I make alsaconfig changes permanent? |
| 22:11.36 | onetinsoldier | rotw, actually i should have had you wait until after running that command to copy the .config over.. but that commands preserves the .config if it finds one in there. so it should be fine |
| 22:11.58 | InnerFIRE | stew: thanks.. now I don't have to worry about being fired |
| 22:11.59 | onetinsoldier | rotw, now... make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
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| 22:13.32 | onetinsoldier | rotw, just to let you know, i make a file on my system that i store looong commands in |
| 22:13.42 | InnerFIRE | stew: now that I think about it.. daily is probably a good idea considering it's keeping logs from 7 servers |
| 22:13.51 | onetinsoldier | rotw, for easy copy and pasting |
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| 22:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | macondo, the modules you need should go into /etc/modules - but I thought alsaconf writes to that file |
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| 22:17.23 | sladi | Can I use apt-cache or aptitude to find out the available architecture for packages? |
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| 22:18.27 | stew | sladi: you can use rmadison |
| 22:19.04 | sladi | stew: Thanks a lot stew! :) |
| 22:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | macondo, perhaps the modules you load are conflicting with modules that are loaded earlier during boot-up.... then you'd need to blacklist those modules - and probably also blacklist them to not be loaded from initrd you could try /msg dpkg alsa blacklist and /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 22:20.08 | onetinsoldier | curses at make-kpkg |
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| 22:20.34 | macondo | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I think there's something wrong here. Now it complains "/dev/dsp: No such file or directory" |
| 22:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, http://www.alsa-project.org/black.html from the "alsa blacklist" factoid is dead :( |
| 22:21.23 | stew | macondo: load the snd-pcm-oss module |
| 22:21.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | macondo, that's normal when you don't have the oss compatiblity module loaded in alsa (it's called snd-pcm-oss/snd-mixer-oss, I think( |
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| 22:22.18 | macondo | stew: why is this happening after I rebooted? |
| 22:22.36 | stew | macondo: if you want snd-pcm-oss loaded at boot, add it to /etc/modules |
| 22:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa blacklist |
| 22:23.35 | dpkg | i heard alsa blacklist is at http://www.alsa-project.org/black.html |
| 22:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyone know what the information was like, that that url was supposed to have? |
| 22:23.59 | macondo | stew: just echo "snd-pcm-oss" >> /etc/modules? |
| 22:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only found http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/ALSA_Blacklist on their newer pages, and that's not very useful |
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| 22:25.50 | rotw | onetinsoldier: sorry for being away |
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| 22:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | macondo, yes... but would be better to edit it so you can have a look at the stuff that's already in there |
| 22:26.42 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, np. is it still going? |
| 22:26.45 | macondo | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, there was only loop there |
| 22:27.05 | rotw | onetinsoldier: just started again |
| 22:27.23 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok |
| 22:27.48 | macondo | it still says /dev/dsp: No such file or directory and I can't start esd |
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| 22:28.08 | stew | macondo: is alsa working? |
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| 22:28.39 | stew | macondo: does 'speaker-test' work? |
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| 22:29.01 | macondo | doesn't seem to be working. nope. although it worked until the last reboot |
| 22:29.11 | stew | macondo: which sound driver are you using? |
| 22:29.30 | macondo | stew: snd-es18xx |
| 22:29.39 | stew | macondo: add that to /etc/modules as well |
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| 22:29.54 | stew | macondo: and run "modprobe snd-es18xx ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and try again |
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| 22:30.02 | Corwin | Does anyone knwo when cups will be fixed? |
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| 22:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | macondo, you can force programs to use alsa with "aoss <yourprogram>" |
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| 22:30.28 | simonrvn | when it's fixed |
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| 22:30.37 | stew | Corwin: do you have a bug# for the bug you are referring to? |
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| 22:30.51 | nick|here | debian net install boot cd encounters a problem when it can't access the harddrive booting up |
| 22:31.04 | Corwin | #381743 |
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| 22:31.19 | macondo | stew: modprobe snd-es18xx and it's gone mad. it doesn't stop printing "ESS AudioDrive ES18xx soundcard not found or device busy" |
| 22:32.21 | Corwin | It really sucks that printing broke and nothing I do makes it work again |
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| 22:32.52 | magthe | completely off topic, but what interpreters, besides most shells, have limits to the length of a statement? |
| 22:33.29 | onetinsoldier | Corwin, an update to the package broke it? |
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| 22:35.25 | Corwin | onetinsoldier: yes, I do an apt-get dist-upgrade daily, and one day about 2 weeks ago my printer broke and has not worked since. This is the first time in 6 years of debian that I haven't been able to fix a upgrade issue with an hour or 2 of work |
| 22:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions cupsys |
| 22:35.46 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: cupsys -- etch: 1.2.7-4etch4 etch-security: 1.2.7-4etch5 lenny: 1.3.8-1lenny2 sid: 1.3.8-1lenny3 experimental: 1.3.9-7 |
| 22:35.54 | onetinsoldier | Corwin, i hear you. you sound as if you're running 'sid' |
| 22:36.22 | Corwin | no, I run testing, but I upgraded the cups packeges from expermental to attempt to fix it (it did not) |
| 22:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | that bug was filed for Version: 1.2.2-1 - none of the current repositories has that version anymore |
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| 22:37.01 | onetinsoldier | Corwin, do you have the old package, the working one, in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 22:37.04 | Corwin | I'm running 1.3.9-7 now |
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| 22:37.31 | Corwin | no, I recently had my /var/apt/archives dir blown away :( |
| 22:37.43 | stew | Corwin: have you gone through the things in that bug? are you also missing conf files in /etc/cups like the reporter? |
| 22:37.45 | Corwin | there's a cache in ther somewhere.. |
| 22:37.59 | nick|here | is there a step by step installation tutorial with each screen on the net? i'm trying to install on a laptop has a broken lcd and shows only the half |
| 22:38.06 | onetinsoldier | Corwin, roger.. that was the only thing i could think of, in case you hadn't already |
| 22:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, seems to me the bug thread contains the solution |
| 22:38.36 | Corwin | yes I have gone through everything in the bug, everything in the Ubuntu version of the bug, and more I found in the net. the pstoraster file is NOT missing |
| 22:39.15 | stew | Corwin: what does "md5sum /etc/cups/pstoraster.convs" return? |
| 22:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean /etc/cups/mime.convs? |
| 22:39.36 | stew | no |
| 22:39.41 | Corwin | b12b29c13f5bedf3bd976a135c193b72 /etc/cups/pstoraster.convs |
| 22:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | same for me |
| 22:40.42 | Corwin | pstoraster.convs has the one noncommented entry - one of the issues people had was it was commented out |
| 22:41.01 | stew | yeah, yours is the unchanged default |
| 22:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and my cupsys runs fine so far |
| 22:41.42 | Corwin | When I go to the web interface and print a test page I get: Unsupported format 'application/postscript'! |
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| 22:41.55 | Firefishe | xingu: Are you around? |
| 22:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | different bug, then, similar symptom |
| 22:42.18 | Corwin | is there a lower level command line test I could use? |
| 22:42.40 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: Why do you say it's a different bug? |
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| 22:43.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the solution to it is not the same, it cannot be the same bug? |
| 22:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | just something that looks similar |
| 22:43.24 | stew | Corwin: what about "md5sum /etc/cups/mime.convs" ? |
| 22:43.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they're giving you pretty good pointers on what to look for in that thread |
| 22:43.53 | Corwin | dd95de07619518616b4e1c8e69aac94e /etc/cups/mime.convs |
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| 22:44.05 | dax_roc | is there a ath5k for debian ? |
| 22:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that one differs from mine |
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| 22:44.28 | Corwin | I've been going through everying found through Google on this for 2 weeks |
| 22:44.55 | atomiku | Can anyone recommend a nice wifi card that supports AP, WPA, etc and works well with linux? |
| 22:44.57 | atomiku | I just wasted $30 on a realtek RTL8185 |
| 22:45.03 | atomiku | and had to resort to using AD-HOC |
| 22:45.08 | atomiku | and it keeps dropping packets and WPA doesnt work |
| 22:45.10 | stew | Corwin: can you show us the otuput of "grep application/postscript /etc/cups/mime.convs" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:45.43 | Firefishe | brb |
| 22:46.25 | Corwin | http://pastebin.com/m56427871 |
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| 22:47.40 | dax_roc | Can any one help , my wifi cards dont come up on boot. they are detected and correct modules are loaded 'madwifi' but I have to wlanconfig create them ? is there a better solution ? |
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| 22:48.31 | Corwin | dax_roc: aircrack-ng has some really good documentation on the atheros drivers |
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| 22:50.26 | x_ | is it possible to switch to an external monitor at installation |
| 22:50.45 | bhundven | x_: you can with the xrandr command |
| 22:51.25 | x_ | bhundven, xrandr: not found :( |
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| 22:52.01 | bhundven | x_: you are missing xbase-clients; apt-get install xbase-clients |
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| 22:52.42 | bhundven | or x11-xserver-utils |
| 22:52.55 | bhundven | depending of if you are running etch or lenny |
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| 22:53.21 | stew | x_: you are in the process of installing debian? |
| 22:53.32 | x_ | stew, yes |
| 22:53.58 | stew | x_: is it a laptop? |
| 22:54.28 | x_ | stew, actually it's a macbook pro |
| 22:54.49 | stew | x_: does it have some keyboard sequence that would turn on the external monitor? |
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| 22:55.33 | nick|here | stew, unfortunately no, if you boot it up lid closed it boots onto an external monitor but when the installer starts goes back to lcd |
| 22:56.11 | bhundven | ah |
| 22:56.45 | SparFux | In my old system I had this file: swrast_dri.so Where is it in debian unstablle? |
| 22:57.07 | stew | SparFux: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 22:58.45 | SparFux | apt-file can only show the currently installed fiiles, can't it? |
| 22:59.33 | onetinsoldier | would someone like to try and help me figure out why make-kpkg bombs out on me when it comes to making the modules_image .deb package? it makes the linux_image ok. figuring it out will not be an easy task! i think it may actually be a call from the script to dpkg --build |
| 22:59.55 | bhundven | SparFux: stew was suggesting you pm dpkg, who can do an apt-file against all packages, like http://packages.debian.org |
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| 23:00.04 | onetinsoldier | SparFux, nope... it looks for every available file from the repositories |
| 23:00.07 | SparFux | seems like the current package doesn't contain this file anymore: grep swrast *.list |
| 23:00.07 | SparFux | libgl1-mesa-dri.list:/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so |
| 23:00.20 | SparFux | bhundven: Ah!! |
| 23:00.47 | SparFux | And me idiot always goes to the web page debian.org ;-) |
| 23:00.54 | SparFux | but it isn't there anymore! :-( |
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| 23:01.42 | SparFux | apt-file update as root, eh? |
| 23:02.34 | SparFux | It's not there anymore the file! |
| 23:02.47 | SparFux | swrast_dri.so is gone! |
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| 23:02.59 | rdz | is there a good way to significantly reduce disk access by those daemons: syslogs, pdflush, kjournald? |
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| 23:04.02 | rotw | onetinsoldier: how long does it usually take? |
| 23:04.40 | onetinsoldier | rotw, depends on how fast your system is... does it look like it's still working? |
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| 23:05.24 | krime | Hi |
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| 23:05.39 | krime | I am having a problem while trying to "make" something |
| 23:05.44 | krime | I am getting this error |
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| 23:06.03 | krime | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 23:06.10 | abrotman | rotw: what are your system specs ? |
| 23:06.13 | abrotman | !b-e kri |
| 23:06.13 | dpkg | kri: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | !b-e krime |
| 23:06.15 | dpkg | krime: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 23:06.45 | stew | !tell abrotma about nicktab |
| 23:06.48 | rotw | abrotman: Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GHz, 4 GB RAM (i don't suppose that's important?) |
| 23:07.11 | abrotman | sure it is |
| 23:07.14 | abrotman | stew: :) |
| 23:07.42 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i have similar system.. mine takes maybe 20 minutes.. i haven't timed it(i will next time)... but it sure doesn't take a full hour or anything |
| 23:07.51 | abrotman | rotw: it depends on the speed of your machine, your RAM, what else the system is diong, disk speed .. so on etc |
| 23:07.53 | rotw | hm |
| 23:08.10 | onetinsoldier | rotw, only mine runs at 3.33GHz |
| 23:08.23 | rotw | abrotman: ok, the system is doing quite a bit on the side |
| 23:08.25 | onetinsoldier | rotw, which does make a difference |
| 23:08.33 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yes, i should think so |
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| 23:08.51 | rotw | noooooooo |
| 23:08.54 | SparFux | perhaps I got it. The libgl1-mesa-swx11 is the software rasterizer. One can only not install it simultaneously anymore withthe hardware stuff. |
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| 23:09.14 | onetinsoldier | rotw, what now? probably the same damn problem i've been having..... |
| 23:09.29 | rotw | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.27.7-verderben-i386' in `../linux-image-2.6.27.7-verderben-i386_20081201_i386.deb'. |
| 23:09.32 | rotw | dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775) |
| 23:09.48 | rotw | Ending with "Error 2" |
| 23:09.49 | onetinsoldier | rotw, oh.. not the problem i've been having |
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| 23:10.24 | rotw | onetinsoldier: shall i compile in /tmp and move there later or what? |
| 23:10.40 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i don't know |
| 23:10.43 | rotw | it's stupid, really, i compiled with root rights |
| 23:11.05 | onetinsoldier | curses at make-kpkg |
| 23:11.23 | rotw | follows suit |
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| 23:12.19 | rotw | damn it, i'm going to bed now |
| 23:12.26 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i actually get a linux-image package.. but mine bombs out on making the modules-image package |
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| 23:12.29 | lvh | hi |
| 23:12.38 | rotw | onetinsoldier: hm |
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| 23:12.52 | assignme | hey guys, i tried several times and failed miserabily, may i have help installing postfix and having it work with gmail? |
| 23:13.03 | rotw | onetinsoldier: all i really needed where those damn iwlwifi drivers, but i despaired on trying to get them to work |
| 23:13.06 | assignme | the problems i had before (relating to exim and others) is i couldnt send mail from different address. i had several users and pass in exim and no matter what user/pass exim would connect to gmail and use the first email on its list |
| 23:13.27 | onetinsoldier | rotw, come here and see if you can get it worked out tomorrow. g'night for now and good luck |
| 23:13.31 | themill | rotw: what are you actually trying to achieve here with recompiling your kernel? |
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| 23:13.58 | rotw | themill: not recompiling, compiling a newer version |
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| 23:14.04 | rotw | 2.6.27 |
| 23:14.09 | themill | but why? |
| 23:14.12 | rotw | that has the necessary drivers |
| 23:14.46 | themill | for? |
| 23:14.53 | rotw | a bit excessive, i know... |
| 23:14.58 | rotw | Intel Wifi link 5100 |
| 23:15.06 | rotw | @ themill |
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| 23:16.05 | assignme | help? |
| 23:16.15 | assignme | i'm installing postfix right now (again) |
| 23:16.17 | rotw | themill: speechless? :) |
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| 23:16.24 | onetinsoldier | rotw, oh! apparently i didn't fully understand what you meant by telling me about that driver earlier. i didn't know you did not currently have that driver |
| 23:16.39 | rotw | onetinsoldier: sorry :/ |
| 23:16.43 | jpinx | is there any way to put a conditional line in /etc/fstab - basically that will look at mtab to see if a partition is mounter and mount it if it is not already mounted? |
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| 23:17.09 | onetinsoldier | rotw, np.. i take it you enabled it in the options tho |
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| 23:17.21 | rotw | onetinsoldier: i tried to |
| 23:17.24 | rotw | anyway |
| 23:17.33 | rotw | good night, see you tomorrow |
| 23:17.33 | \amethyst | jpinx: that's how mount normally works. mount /mountpoint will mount it if it's not already mounted |
| 23:17.34 | onetinsoldier | night |
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| 23:19.02 | jpinx | \amethyst: will it not mount it to the second option as well? |
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| 23:19.17 | assignme | brb :x |
| 23:19.45 | \amethyst | jpinx: if you provide just the mountpoint or just the device (instead of both), it will look it up in fstab |
| 23:19.49 | jpinx | \amethyst: I have two OS's on separate partitions and I want the one not in sue to be mounted so that I can rsync it |
| 23:19.59 | jpinx | *use |
| 23:20.03 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i actually get a linux-image package.. but it bombs out on making the modules-image package |
| 23:20.11 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 23:20.43 | onetinsoldier | would someone like to try and help me figure out why make-kpkg bombs out on me when it comes to making the modules_image .deb package? it makes the linux_image ok. figuring it out will not be an easy task! |
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| 23:21.13 | S-i-A | realy i'm looking for good and quick ftp client. |
| 23:21.50 | petemc | gftp works for me |
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| 23:22.20 | jpinx | \amethyst: thanks -- I'll go and experiment with something non-critical ;) |
| 23:23.10 | S-i-A | peterS: |
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| 23:23.28 | S-i-A | petemc: isn't good client for me |
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| 23:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, hm, pretty much the same for me - except for the numbers got 66 for pstops in mine - perhaps change that - 100 could mean "never run it, too expensive" (sounds a bit unlikely, but perhaps worth a try) |
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| 23:25.42 | stew | S-i-A: lftp or ncftp or wget or curl |
| 23:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | (at least until we can come up with something better it's worth a try) |
| 23:26.48 | S-i-A | stew lftp or nsftp r good, but have no wiki or somthing like that. |
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| 23:27.19 | stew | S-i-A: what do you need to do with a wiki? |
| 23:27.47 | S-i-A | stew: infos about how to use it :) |
| 23:27.49 | S-i-A | FAQ |
| 23:28.13 | stew | S-i-A: man ncftp |
| 23:28.37 | S-i-A | stew: is no good infos and is very old |
| 23:28.42 | S-i-A | thanks |
| 23:28.57 | stew | S-i-A: what information is outdated in that manpage? |
| 23:30.16 | stew | S-i-A: or what info about using ncftp do you need that you aren't finding in the manpage? |
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| 23:31.18 | S-i-A | stew, how to add to favorite, ho to display group permession ..etc |
| 23:32.22 | petemc | it asks you as you quit do you want to save |
| 23:32.33 | stew | S-i-A: add to favoreite with the "bookmark" command, see group permission with the "dir" command |
| 23:32.45 | S-i-A | stew thanks |
| 23:32.46 | stew | S-i-A: both of which are documented in the manpage |
| 23:33.17 | S-i-A | upload is put or ? |
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| 23:33.31 | stew | S-i-A: see the manpage |
| 23:33.39 | S-i-A | ok |
| 23:33.53 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: that channel is not a support channel |
| 23:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, oh great - "dpkg -L cups | xargs grep 'Unsupported format'" tells us the message is in cupsd itself - you could strace it, using the -f option, I guess (I would suggest you downgrade back to the Lenny version, though, then it's easier to compare than if you're still running the package from experimental) |
| 23:34.39 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, oh, ok. i thought it would be a good channel for this. my bad |
| 23:35.39 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, thanks for the heads-up. |
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| 23:39.01 | crickey | a girl died in 1933 by a homicidal murderer. He buried her in the ground when she was still alive.The murdered chanted, "Toma sota balcu" as he buried her. Now that you have read the chant, you will meet this little girl. In the middle of the night she will be on your ceiling. She will suffocate you like she was suffocated. If you post this, she will not bother you.Your kindness will be rewarded. |
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| 23:39.18 | S-i-A | stew: if i connect with ftp said "Sleeping 19 seconds... " |
| 23:40.16 | stew | S-i-A: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:41.10 | S-i-A | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22664/ |
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| 23:41.58 | stew | S-i-A: server279.com does allow annonymous ftp |
| 23:42.06 | S-i-A | no |
| 23:42.10 | stew | S-i-A: sorry, "does not allow" |
| 23:42.23 | S-i-A | also must -u |
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| 23:43.06 | macondo_ | stew: I don't understand what's wrong. I was able to use alsa, then rebooted and now it almost crashed when trying to load the driver |
| 23:43.15 | stew | S-i-A: yes, if you want to use a username other than anonymous, use -u |
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| 23:43.39 | stew | macondo_: show us the otuput of "lspci -n" and "lsmod" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 23:45.07 | iceman2 | lol im still having problems with this ffmpeg thing. does anyone have experience using FFmpeg?? and know how to get away from this error??: Audio resampler only works with 16 bits per sample, patch welcome. |
| 23:45.18 | macondo_ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22669/ |
| 23:45.33 | stew | iceman2: feed it an avi with 16 bits per sample instead of 8 bits per sample |
| 23:45.35 | iceman2 | seems no matter what options i send with it, i get that error |
| 23:46.00 | stew | iceman2: yeah, the problem isn't with the options you are passing it, but the input file |
| 23:46.09 | S-i-A | stew: last question for u ;), can use edit with VI ? |
| 23:46.24 | iceman2 | soon as I do -an to disable audio. BAM it spits it right out |
| 23:47.36 | stew | iceman2: right, because it is the sample rate of the audio input that is the problem, so you have to skip the audio, or provide an input file with 16 bit audio |
| 23:47.50 | stew | S-i-A: i don't understand what you are asking |
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| 23:48.03 | S-i-A | ok thanks |
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| 23:48.10 | stew | S-i-A: are you asking about using vi from within ncftp? or something unrelated to ncftp? |
| 23:48.12 | F-Lelo | Hi all. I'm having postfix problems... the email just don't arrive to my server. I guess this is not a relay issue because there is no error message.. what to do? |
| 23:48.26 | iceman2 | and there is no way to fix this? like how does youtube accomplish that error. |
| 23:48.46 | S-i-A | stew: yes vim /www/text.html |
| 23:48.53 | stew | iceman2: fix what exactly? your input? or ffmpeg? |
| 23:49.01 | iceman2 | your input |
| 23:49.32 | stew | S-i-A: see the edit command |
| 23:49.33 | iceman2 | video and sound is not my area of expertise. i shouldnt have even attempted this lol |
| 23:50.17 | S-i-A | stew: but thee cd dont worked for me, change not the directory. |
| 23:50.34 | stew | S-i-A: do you get an error? |
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| 23:51.56 | S-i-A | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22670/ that is not correct becuase this files are in ROOT directory not in wiki |
| 23:52.52 | F-Lelo | Hi all. I'm having postfix problems... the email just don't arrive to my server. I guess this is not a relay issue because there is no error message.. what to do? |
| 23:53.07 | stew | S-i-A: the seem to exist in /www/wiki |
| 23:53.20 | stew | F-Lelo: for what domain? |
| 23:53.26 | macondo_ | stew: have you seen my dump? |
| 23:54.38 | S-i-A | stew: i will look the files in /www/wiki and this output from ls -a isn't correct, |
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| 23:55.47 | stew | macondo_: i don't see a sound card in the lspci output, how is your sound card connected? |
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| 23:56.38 | macondo_ | stew: it's ISA |
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| 23:56.47 | F-Lelo | stew: I'll just paste my main.cf, just a min |
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| 23:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, if you ever read this, you might (preferrably with cups version 1.3.8-1lenny2) "strace -f -F -e open cupsd" then try to print something and see what files it opens - specially interesting would be if it arrives at calling ps2ps and what config files it traverses before it gets to the decision of running or not-running it |
| 23:57.28 | macondo_ | stew: it should use the driver es18xx |
| 23:58.12 | macondo_ | stew: I once ran alsaconf and it loaded the drivers and everything went well, but then I rebooted and /dev/dsp was not found and hell knocked my door |
| 23:58.15 | F-Lelo | stew: here it is, my main.cf -> http://paste.debian.net/22671 |
| 23:59.04 | S-i-A | stew: yet worked fine thanks |
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