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| 00:01.49 | woodgrain | Can someone tell me how to export command line interaction to a file. |
| 00:02.08 | neoice | woodgrain: like the ouput of the commandline to a file? |
| 00:02.11 | woodgrain | like my input and error messages. |
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| 00:02.41 | woodgrain | to a file so I can send the junk to someone who can tell me what I'm doing wrong |
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| 00:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | program < someinputfile > stdoutputfile 2> stderrorfile |
| 00:03.09 | stoned | sweet! |
| 00:03.16 | stoned | new verion in sid |
| 00:03.32 | onetinsoldier | stoned, of? |
| 00:03.33 | macondo_ | ok, I'll give alsaconf another try |
| 00:03.45 | stoned | onetinsoldier, well lots of thing |
| 00:03.48 | stew | F-Lelo: your mailserver seems to never reposnd to HELO/EHLO |
| 00:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | woodgrain, or perhaps what you want is apt-get install pastebinit ; program 2>&1 | pastebinit |
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| 00:04.07 | stew | F-Lelo: is name resolution working on that machine? |
| 00:04.26 | onetinsoldier | stoned, oh, i see... so it's happy dist-upgrade day eh! |
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| 00:04.43 | stew | F-Lelo: which would make me think that it is SOMETHING in smtpd_helo_restrictions |
| 00:04.48 | stoned | onetinsoldier, indeed! |
| 00:04.51 | S-i-A | what is mean her http://paste.debian.net/22674/ ? |
| 00:04.53 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
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| 00:04.54 | stoned | its been a full week since my last upgrade |
| 00:05.01 | F-Lelo | stew: yes |
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| 00:05.34 | m1ke_l | ciao! is linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 a 64bit kernel? i don't see a k7 anymore...i have a 64bit amd but only want a 32bit kernel |
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| 00:05.41 | woodgrain | CutMeOwnThroat, ... I just want to be able to cut/paste from my terminal ... I'm using XTERM and it doesn't seem to do it. |
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| 00:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, oh, indeed... doh, 103 packages |
| 00:05.52 | woodgrain | I need a new terminal or something. |
| 00:05.55 | stoned | onetinsoldier, and I just found out you can use the winforms namespace in mono C# :) Don't need to use gtk, and there is Qyoto, a kinda Qt# |
| 00:06.02 | stoned | qt bindings for .NET in C# |
| 00:06.03 | woodgrain | !terminal |
| 00:06.07 | stoned | beautiful |
| 00:06.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, bah, but it's upgrading the kernel, damn thing |
| 00:06.25 | stoned | yeh i got that one |
| 00:06.28 | stoned | 26-1 |
| 00:06.33 | onetinsoldier | stoned, ahhh, sounds cool |
| 00:06.41 | macondo_ | can someone please help me with the alsa drivers? whenever I load es18xx, debian doesn't stop printing error lines and the only thing I can do is reboot |
| 00:06.42 | stoned | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 00:06.43 | m1ke_l | currently on 2.6.22-3-k7 |
| 00:06.49 | stew | macondo_: yes, that is a 64 bit kernel, if you are looking for the k7 kernel, use the -686 kernel instead |
| 00:06.50 | stoned | my sid wants to upgrade to this |
| 00:06.57 | m1ke_l | thanks much! |
| 00:07.10 | F-Lelo | stew: I just found out an error in mail.log.. strange, let me paste it |
| 00:07.11 | stew | macondo_: do you mean es18xx or snd_es18xx ? |
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| 00:07.29 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, hello. it's an enviroment variable. you will want to set it to where vi is on your system i believe |
| 00:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, there's really only 3 things I don't want to update much, that's the kernel, xorg-\* and fireweasel |
| 00:07.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and this is doing 2 out of three :( |
| 00:07.48 | stoned | it doesnt' matter to me |
| 00:07.50 | macondo_ | stew: I think alsaconf is loading es18xx, anyway which one is the one I have to use? |
| 00:07.51 | S-i-A | onetinsoldier: in vim? |
| 00:07.59 | stoned | I upgrade anything and everything |
| 00:08.07 | stoned | then I try to reportbug |
| 00:08.30 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, yes.. edit that file with vim... to the place that vi resides on your system |
| 00:08.46 | stew | macondo_: all the alsa modules start with 'snd' if you are talking about a module named 'es18xx' that would be oss |
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| 00:08.59 | F-Lelo | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22675/ -> mail.log |
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| 00:09.02 | S-i-A | onetinsoldier: which file u mean? |
| 00:09.05 | stew | S-i-A: is vi your preferred editor? |
| 00:09.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, well, I really don't want to a) reboot, b) make a new nvidia module or c) install my 200 iceweasel plugins after an upgrade |
| 00:09.15 | stoned | but if you even upgrade the kernel you dont need to use it right away |
| 00:09.16 | stoned | :() |
| 00:09.19 | S-i-A | is vim stew andd medit |
| 00:09.23 | S-i-A | *and |
| 00:09.27 | stoned | you can keep your kernel and boot into it or the new one |
| 00:09.27 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, you probably don't need to edit it tho. for instance, on my systme i have a /usr/bin/vi |
| 00:09.39 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, amd64? |
| 00:10.06 | S-i-A | i use medit for our language text because isn-t supported in vim |
| 00:10.11 | stoned | ubuntu has that thing in it called dpks or soemthing some dynamic kernel module loadering thingy |
| 00:10.20 | stoned | doesn't a debian have something of the sort or soemthing |
| 00:10.21 | S-i-A | also mus i /usr/bin/medit |
| 00:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, yes, I know I don't have to boot right away... so kernel is probably the least concern (still, if you boot much later and the update somehow broke the boot process, you'll probably even have forgotten that you updated and will be even more at a loss to what's broken) |
| 00:10.30 | stoned | so you don't have to rebuilt kernel modules by hand on kernel upgraes |
| 00:10.31 | stoned | or soemthing? |
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| 00:10.44 | stoned | there should be something made for that, that IS a hassle |
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| 00:11.21 | stoned | I had to do that with each fglr but now i use radeon so im ok |
| 00:11.29 | macondo_ | stew: it's also crashing with snd_es18xx |
| 00:11.40 | stoned | I have deinstalled my own xorg built on hand, and now I'm tryin experimental xorg packages |
| 00:11.46 | stoned | they work just as well as how I built mine |
| 00:11.55 | stoned | I got 3d in radeon on r5x chipset its nice |
| 00:11.56 | S-i-A | who must i put this variable ? EDITOR="/usr/bin/vi" ; export EDITOR |
| 00:11.57 | Firefishe | Can someone help me out with a network latency issue? Web pages always take a long time to start to load. I tried using bind9 as a name server locally, but that isn't working. |
| 00:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, no, normal 32 bit i386... mmm, yes, in principle nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 should work for me (but I think it didn't) |
| 00:12.21 | stew | S-i-A: you can ignore that |
| 00:12.29 | stoned | Firefishe, traceroute| |
| 00:12.30 | stoned | ? |
| 00:12.32 | stew | S-i-A: or run "update-alternatives --config editor" |
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| 00:13.01 | stoned | start to load is ambigious, it is trying tno resolve the name for a while or waiting for a response? |
| 00:13.10 | S-i-A | stew: if i ignore it , do is nothing. i will edit the file with medit or vim |
| 00:13.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, probably DNS, look in /etc/resolv.conf for your dns servers - if the 1st one fails but the 2nd one works you'd get that behavior |
| 00:13.41 | stoned | opendns is fast and works good |
| 00:13.48 | F-Lelo | stew: that says something, doesn't it? :) |
| 00:13.50 | F-Lelo | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22675/ -> mail.log |
| 00:13.54 | stoned | it will resovle anything pretty much |
| 00:14.03 | stew | S-i-A: it depends on how you configured the editor alternative |
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| 00:14.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, yeah, try "host www.google.com" and to ping an IP you got from this |
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| 00:14.19 | macondo_ | debian:/home/sebas# modprobe snd_es18xx |
| 00:14.19 | macondo_ | FATAL: Error inserting snd_es18xx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/isa/snd-es18xx.ko): No such device |
| 00:14.19 | macondo_ | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_es18xx |
| 00:14.21 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Actually, xingu was helping me with that yesterday. I also tried modifying resolv.conf, but the system kept changing it back. |
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| 00:14.22 | stew | F-Lelo: does /etc/postfix/access exist? |
| 00:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, you can also tell host which DNS server to use |
| 00:14.51 | stew | macondo_: that means that snd_es18xx is not a driver for your sound card, or you need to give it more parameters, such as irc / io port |
| 00:14.54 | stew | ^irc^irq |
| 00:14.55 | F-Lelo | stew: nope........ |
| 00:15.03 | Firefishe | stoned: opendns....got it |
| 00:15.08 | macondo_ | stew: I don't understand, it worked before |
| 00:15.21 | stew | F-Lelo: you have # |
| 00:15.22 | stew | smtpd_sender_restrictions = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, |
| 00:15.30 | Firefishe | stoned: how do I use traceroute| ? |
| 00:15.33 | F-Lelo | stew: ok, just a sec |
| 00:15.34 | stew | macondo_: did you just upgrade kernels? |
| 00:15.38 | stoned | uhm |
| 00:15.41 | macondo_ | stew: nope |
| 00:15.41 | S-i-A | stew: i do that and select the vim.basic but still receive same message if type edit File.html |
| 00:15.42 | stoned | you are kidding me? |
| 00:15.55 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: How do I tell host which one to use. I currently have bind9 running (I guess) but I'm not really wanting to use it anymore. |
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| 00:16.11 | macondo_ | stew: could X11 have something to do with this? |
| 00:16.21 | stew | macondo_: no |
| 00:16.31 | stoned | traceroute blah.com <-- google for what traceroute is |
| 00:16.37 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, on another issue...what is the name of the gnome metapackage? I'm having apt-get wanting to uninstall gnome when removing something else. I'm aware of the why, I just need to reinstall the metapackage. |
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| 00:16.45 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, what do you get with the following command? echo "$EDITOR" |
| 00:16.53 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: It relates to wanting to remove bind9 |
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| 00:16.54 | stoned | !tell Firefishe -about man |
| 00:17.06 | Firefishe | stoned...I'm quite familiar with an |
| 00:17.07 | Firefishe | man |
| 00:17.10 | stoned | and the traceroute is in the package called i think dnsutils |
| 00:17.12 | S-i-A | $EDITOR: no such command. onetinsoldier |
| 00:17.12 | stoned | no.. i forgot |
| 00:17.12 | Gigantic | can anyone help me to find the kernel source? o.O |
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| 00:17.23 | stoned | traceroute |
| 00:17.29 | macondo_ | stew: do you mind taking a look over ssh? |
| 00:17.31 | stoned | thats the package hahaha, its not in a package it IS a package |
| 00:17.32 | Gigantic | I can see teh pkg in synaptic |
| 00:17.35 | sharp15 | has the ssh system in lenny been altered in the last few weeks? |
| 00:17.37 | F-Lelo | stew: now I got relay access denied :) |
| 00:17.39 | stoned | Firefishe, install traceroute, and man it |
| 00:17.43 | F-Lelo | stew: this is actually good news hehe |
| 00:17.51 | stew | F-Lelo: :) |
| 00:17.56 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, i think you did it wrong.. try and.. copy and paste my command if you can.. echo "$EDITOR" |
| 00:18.18 | themill | Firefishe: [Mon Dec 1 2008] [20:25:38] <themill> Firefishe: take a guess... you'll probably be right (you can also /msg dpkg install gnome) |
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| 00:18.28 | F-Lelo | stew: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.7.0/24 |
| 00:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, I guess you have dhclient installed... |
| 00:18.41 | sharp15 | all of the sudden my ssh server won't allow connections despite nmap saying the port is open. |
| 00:18.42 | Firefishe | yes....could that be an issue? |
| 00:18.44 | stew | S-i-A: add it to .bashrc then |
| 00:18.44 | F-Lelo | stew: turned into bad news, tho... it should relay... |
| 00:18.48 | S-i-A | onetinsoldier: u don't believe me :) |
| 00:18.53 | Gigantic | besides... apt-get search: 2.6.27.7 gives 0 results |
| 00:19.01 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, the whole thing must be put in.. the quotes, everything |
| 00:19.01 | stew | S-i-A: and consider filing a bug against ncftp to have it use sensible-editor instead of EDITOR |
| 00:19.02 | infinity2 | anyone know if there is a risk changing at director permissions? "chmod 755 /var/spool/at" |
| 00:19.17 | stoned | do you know what 755 does? |
| 00:19.20 | Gigantic | I can either find the latest stable kernel nor the source =\ |
| 00:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, I actually don't have it on this system - well, it's dhclient which is overwriting your /etc/resolv.conf everytime - but there is a file with lines that are pre- or appended to resolv.conf by dhclient, so you can just put your own custom nameservers on top of the one sent by your dhcp server |
| 00:19.42 | infinity2 | yes |
| 00:19.43 | stoned | Gigantic, latest stable kernel is not in etch or in lenny |
| 00:19.52 | stoned | yet |
| 00:19.58 | themill | Gigantic: 2.6.26 is the current kernel. The source is in the linux-source-2.6.26 package. |
| 00:20.09 | stoned | in fact |
| 00:20.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, but you have to look for the exact file yourself, because I havent got dhclient installed on this machine (shouldn't be too hard, though) |
| 00:20.12 | stoned | itsnot even in sid right now is it? |
| 00:20.22 | abrotman | .26 is |
| 00:20.27 | Firefishe | okay, so it's not in resolve.conf then, eh? |
| 00:20.27 | stoned | yeh i thought that |
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| 00:20.59 | Gigantic | Yeah well the latest I can find is 2.6.18-6-amd64 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 00:21.00 | S-i-A | stew: change nothing |
| 00:21.04 | S-i-A | i add it |
| 00:21.11 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, try this... export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi && echo "$EDITOR" |
| 00:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, check dpkg -L dhclient | grep etc |
| 00:21.18 | stoned | hey i got n idea |
| 00:21.26 | themill | dpkg: tell Gigantic about stable |
| 00:21.26 | stoned | Firefishe, hey do you have a NAT router? |
| 00:21.38 | stew | S-i-A: youd' have to start a new shell and run ncftp in that shell |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | Gigantic: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 00:22.15 | themill | Gigantic: If you're running stable (which you are) then you don't get new versions. That's part of the point of stable. You can get 2.6.24 from etchnhalf or 2.6.26 from backports.org |
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| 00:22.35 | Gigantic | abrotman: not found |
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| 00:22.42 | S-i-A | stew: i said i look for good and user freindly ftp client, the ncftp isn't what i want. also thanks |
| 00:22.46 | stoned | what do you need a new kernel for specifically that the stable etch kernel is not good for? |
| 00:22.48 | abrotman | Gigantic: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 00:22.48 | S-i-A | i purge it |
| 00:22.49 | sharp15 | now i really don't understand. hopefully i don't have to restart ssh manually on every boot. |
| 00:22.50 | Firefishe | stoned: Probably not. I just have a standard linksys wireless/wired simple 2.4g router for the house. The ISP is a little different. It's a 2.4GHz point-to-point system. |
| 00:23.00 | Gigantic | themill: I see, so I would need to add the unstable repo |
| 00:23.02 | stoned | I mean if you don't need a laterst kernel specifically, then you should be good with the stock debian stable etch kernel |
| 00:23.06 | stoned | Gigantic, ^ |
| 00:23.06 | abrotman | Gigantic: no you do not |
| 00:23.08 | themill | Gigantic: no. |
| 00:23.15 | Gigantic | abrotman: my version say lenny/Sid |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | Gigantic: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 00:23.30 | Gigantic | 1 sec |
| 00:23.30 | stoned | Firefishe, that _IS_ a NAT router |
| 00:23.44 | stoned | Firefishe, check your router settings first |
| 00:23.48 | Firefishe | stoned: then, yes, I do |
| 00:23.49 | stoned | make sure its not causing latency |
| 00:23.57 | Firefishe | stoned: k |
| 00:24.08 | stoned | make sure as far as you know your router is configured goodly |
| 00:24.21 | l403 | Is this OK?? ./configure --with-kernel-source-dir=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/ I am still getting could not find kernel headers |
| 00:24.29 | l403 | sup stoned |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | your kernel is out of date to start |
| 00:24.43 | Gigantic | http://nopaste.org/p/a09OwBvdh |
| 00:24.48 | stoned | also, can you ping something or try to do a bandwidth test? is it just that initially websites take time to load? does it keep stuck on resolving the domain or does it wait for response from server? |
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| 00:24.53 | Gigantic | ^ my sources.list |
| 00:24.58 | onetinsoldier | would someone like to try and help me figure out why make-kpkg bombs out on me when it comes to making the modules_image .deb package? it makes the linux_image ok. figuring it out will not be an easy task! |
| 00:25.07 | S-i-A | onetinsoldier: is the same |
| 00:25.07 | stoned | that would mean two things, former, dns issue, latter, something you can't avoid |
| 00:25.11 | stoned | Firefishe, ^ |
| 00:25.11 | onetinsoldier | i ask in case someone really wants to |
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| 00:25.35 | stoned | and is it just websites in browsers that are slow or everything? |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | Gigantic: when is the last time you ran `aptitude update` ? |
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| 00:25.41 | stoned | network related in the internet? |
| 00:25.44 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, try this.. if you don't get something back from this then i don't know what you're doing.. echo "$SHELL" |
| 00:25.52 | Gigantic | abrotman: yesterday |
| 00:26.06 | Gigantic | will run again now |
| 00:26.12 | stoned | uhm |
| 00:26.20 | S-i-A | onetinsoldier: ncftp / > echo "$SHELL" |
| 00:26.20 | S-i-A | $SHELL |
| 00:26.26 | stoned | you should jsut point them to /usr/src/linux <-- this is a symlink to the correct location |
| 00:26.37 | stoned | but yes, your configure param looks ok |
| 00:26.47 | stoned | but not yoru path |
| 00:27.17 | Firefishe | stoned: reading up |
| 00:27.18 | onetinsoldier | thinks no one will be interested in his request, which i don't blame them. will just do linux_image and make and install the modules manually |
| 00:27.19 | F-Lelo | stew: what else can be causing relay access to be denied? I have "mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.7.0/24" and mydomain is set correctly aswell... =/ |
| 00:27.25 | themill | stoned: of course he'd be better off compiling it against a kernel that doesn't have known security vulnerabilities. |
| 00:27.36 | stoned | of course |
| 00:27.37 | stoned | :) |
| 00:27.43 | dvs | not for me |
| 00:27.52 | dvs | I need a backdoor |
| 00:27.55 | stoned | lol |
| 00:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, you probably want to run the same make yourself outside make-kpkg ... when you get down to the error either you'll know yourself or paste the output to a pastebin |
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| 00:28.12 | abrotman | Gigantic: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 .. does the candidate match the installed ? |
| 00:28.16 | stoned | dvs, stuck in frued's second psychosexual stage are we ? ;) |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | Gigantic: erm .. linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 00:28.34 | dvs | stoned: I have no id what... doh! |
| 00:28.39 | stoned | hahaha nm j/k |
| 00:29.01 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, ok... will be trying that exact thing by running make modules && make modules_install manually |
| 00:29.45 | stoned | l403, use /usr/src/linux but actually listen to themill |
| 00:29.47 | stoned | he is right |
| 00:30.06 | stoned | upgrade a kernel to etchnhalf i think would be ok |
| 00:30.09 | themill | And don't use /usr/src/linux either, that went out years ago |
| 00:30.14 | stoned | it did? |
| 00:30.17 | stoned | whoah I been sleeping |
| 00:30.19 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, ok, you are on a remote session with ncftp or something. not on a terminal on your own system i guess. |
| 00:30.23 | stoned | themill, how come? |
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| 00:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, kpkg might hide the error by printing stuff afterwards, so it's better to run "make modules" yourself |
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| 00:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, shouldn't be the make install step that's problematic |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | Gigantic: ? |
| 00:31.47 | stoned | no i got it |
| 00:31.58 | themill | stoned: because it was always a recipe for disaster. If you want to compile a specific version, pick a specific version. Hence /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) etc. |
| 00:32.03 | S-i-A | onetinsoldier: i dont understand! what must i do to edit the remote file with vim in ncftp, 'edit file.html' do nothing ang get to this message above. |
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| 00:32.23 | stoned | themill, really I just always use the symlink |
| 00:32.25 | Gigantic | abrotman: still updating... |
| 00:32.30 | stoned | debian still makes it |
| 00:32.31 | stoned | you know |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | Gigantic: that wouldn't happen if you didn't have so many sources |
| 00:32.38 | Firefishe | stoned, CutMeOwnThroat: gotta quessie: could IPv6 be slowing down my lookup times and slowing the system down? Just as a reference, I have no latency in vista64hp on the other side of the drive. |
| 00:32.41 | Gigantic | abrotman: yeah now I have 2.6.26.1 |
| 00:32.45 | stoned | YES! |
| 00:32.52 | dvs | NO! |
| 00:32.53 | stoned | if you have from a tunneling broker |
| 00:32.55 | abrotman | Gigantic: you mean 2.6.26-1 |
| 00:32.55 | onetinsoldier | themill, the README say not to do it in /usr/src because it can conflict the the headers installed by, ohh, what is it? lilbc6-dev? but anyway.. that is not relevant on debian, at not anymore. so i do it in /usr/src. now, the make-kpkg manual ssay the modules will default to /usr/src/modules. seems to me /usr/src is a plce that should be fine. |
| 00:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | MAYBE! |
| 00:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 00:32.59 | stoned | yes that can cuase massive latency |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | Gigantic: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 00:33.13 | stoned | if yo have a direct ip6 from ISP you should be ok |
| 00:33.22 | onetinsoldier | themill, but you can tell me where this operation is normally done these days if you'd like to |
| 00:33.22 | Gigantic | abrotman: I guess sources didn completely update for some reason or I ran update wrongly... |
| 00:33.24 | stoned | but yes, tunneling ipv6 through a broker is usually slow |
| 00:33.25 | themill | onetinsoldier: /usr/src is right, /usr/src/linux is not in the game any more. |
| 00:33.43 | Firefishe | stoned: how can I tell which one I have? Ask the ISP? |
| 00:33.50 | Gigantic | abrotman: installed |
| 00:33.58 | Gigantic | but must be matching a previous one |
| 00:33.59 | abrotman | Gigantic: feel better? |
| 00:34.02 | stoned | Firefishe, seriously?...ifconfig ? |
| 00:34.16 | onetinsoldier | themill, uhhh.. if i unpack my source there are you saying i should not make a 'linux' symlink? |
| 00:34.17 | Gigantic | abrotman: almost hehe... now where do I get the source? |
| 00:34.32 | stoned | I dunno really |
| 00:34.36 | themill | onetinsoldier: that's my understanding these days. |
| 00:34.47 | Firefishe | stoned: I apologize for my lack of what must be to you, basics. This tcp/ip fiddling is a bit new to me. I catch on fast, but I tend to learn at a steady, but moderate pace. |
| 00:34.48 | stoned | themill, but why! |
| 00:34.51 | onetinsoldier | themill, ok, roger that |
| 00:34.57 | stoned | Firefishe, sorry I didn't mean to get short, I apologize. |
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| 00:35.05 | Firefishe | stoned: oh no, not at all. |
| 00:35.09 | abrotman | Gigantic: apt-cache search linux-source .. get the one for your current kernel |
| 00:35.09 | Gigantic | abrotman: linux-image-2.6-amd64 ? |
| 00:35.15 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, i don't think i know how to help you |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | Gigantic: that's the binary image |
| 00:35.22 | onetinsoldier | S-i-A, sorry |
| 00:35.22 | Firefishe | stoned: I meant it in good repoire :) |
| 00:35.27 | Gigantic | I have it but there is nothing under usr/src/ |
| 00:35.27 | stoned | word |
| 00:35.32 | Gigantic | ah |
| 00:35.49 | Firefishe | slides stoned a glass of Grand Marnier :) There! :) |
| 00:36.02 | stoned | I don't drink things I have never heard of before |
| 00:36.04 | stoned | ! |
| 00:36.08 | Gigantic | abrotman: got it... now I just need a margarita to be happy =) |
| 00:36.08 | stoned | but thank you |
| 00:36.09 | Firefishe | oh good lord |
| 00:36.11 | Firefishe | ;) hee |
| 00:36.29 | stoned | Firefishe, so how are you getitng ipv6? |
| 00:36.35 | abrotman | Gigantic: on your own there |
| 00:36.36 | themill | stoned: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Kernel/usr-src-linux-symlink.html |
| 00:36.36 | stoned | Firefishe, did you have to sign up and get a tunnel broker? |
| 00:36.43 | stoned | reading |
| 00:36.50 | Firefishe | stoned: no to the last |
| 00:37.06 | Gigantic | abrotman: heh, ty |
| 00:37.18 | stoned | Firefishe, then you have a ISP based ipv6 |
| 00:37.29 | stoned | Firefishe, and you should have the tunneling latency issues |
| 00:37.32 | Firefishe | stoned: so latency *shouldn't* really be an issue. |
| 00:37.39 | stoned | not in that regard |
| 00:37.50 | stoned | I'm not experienced with ipv6 beyond tunneling cuz I live inside usa |
| 00:37.52 | Firefishe | so it's probably puter or router side? |
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| 00:37.55 | stoned | we don't have ipv6 here |
| 00:38.02 | stoned | I mean in residential internt providings |
| 00:38.09 | Firefishe | is from Missouri? |
| 00:38.23 | stoned | well looks like missouri pople are ahead of new york people |
| 00:38.26 | stoned | this is sad |
| 00:38.29 | stoned | this is just sad |
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| 00:38.32 | stoned | :( |
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| 00:39.05 | dniel | what can I use for build a storage server? |
| 00:39.10 | Firefishe | Well, this system is a wide-area ISP network. Similar to WiMax, but not quite as robust...www.radiowire.net. |
| 00:39.20 | abrotman | dniel: hardware |
| 00:39.22 | S-i-A | onetinsoldier: thanks u tell something and i do it, was not correct. thank u |
| 00:39.24 | stoned | I want ipv6, who is your ISP in missouri? I went to school in jeff. jr. high in columbia missouri in 1994 |
| 00:39.29 | stoned | oh, its a public network? |
| 00:39.37 | stoned | Firefishe, its not a offshoot of COIN is it? |
| 00:39.52 | Firefishe | stoned: well, I've not heard of COIN. |
| 00:39.57 | dniel | abrotman: yes... sure hard disk |
| 00:40.10 | abrotman | dniel: what else do you want to know? |
| 00:40.26 | stoned | I developed a bit for them in jr. high a bit thats how I got into linux and unix and discovered a world beyond windows |
| 00:40.31 | dniel | abrotman: but I'm talking about something like iSCSI |
| 00:40.45 | Firefishe | stoned: fact is, I've never experienced this type of latency on linux before, no matter what distro I'm using. Which, for me, has been debian, the ubuntus, and suse. Could it be my RealTek ethernet controller? |
| 00:40.46 | stoned | Columbia Online Information Network, the provide free dialup internet and all sorts of other stuff for free education uses |
| 00:41.01 | stoned | I think they exapanded it to include jeff. city, kansas city, st. louis |
| 00:41.04 | stoned | anyway |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | dniel: you mean which OS? |
| 00:41.11 | stoned | i dunn ipv6 at all |
| 00:41.20 | stoned | dunno*. you can try ##networking |
| 00:41.28 | stoned | it seems not to be debian specific issue anymore imo |
| 00:41.31 | oxi | hi |
| 00:41.40 | dniel | abrotman: nop... I mean technology |
| 00:41.48 | dniel | abrotman: for example iSCSI |
| 00:41.56 | dniel | for build a SAN |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | dniel: this channel is for debian support .. not network planning |
| 00:41.59 | stoned | Firefishe, possibly, how about a windows? does that give latency? I doubt it sofotware based |
| 00:42.10 | oxi | does anyone know: is it easy to create a vm of a openvz vserver backup? |
| 00:42.24 | Firefishe | stoned: no latency in windows, it's spot-on quick |
| 00:42.25 | dniel | abrotman: yes but I'm thinking to build it in a debian OS |
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| 00:42.40 | stoned | Firefishe, hm, it could be the driver... its not wifi is it? |
| 00:42.42 | Firefishe | stoned: Here's what I'm using to get online, in case you're interested: http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/TR-CPQ-Series |
| 00:42.44 | oxi | I'd like to clone an almost identical copy of a vserver account to a vm... |
| 00:42.47 | stoned | is it a eth or a wifi eth |
| 00:43.26 | Firefishe | stoned: I have an Atheros chip for the wi-fi, and ath9k isn't working to save my life right now. I'm connected to the router via ethernet now. |
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| 00:43.41 | Firefishe | stoned: asus g50v-x1 laptop |
| 00:43.49 | stoned | ahh |
| 00:43.55 | stoned | wide area spread spectrum signal |
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| 00:44.10 | stoned | eh, makes it no different a really powerful home wifi router |
| 00:44.13 | stoned | lol |
| 00:45.02 | stoned | this is however strange you don't get latency in windows but in debian |
| 00:45.04 | Firefishe | stoned: I do know what you mean by spread spectrum. |
| 00:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, afaik, you needn't do anything yourself anymore, installing the correct linux-headers package, then make-kpkg will use the correct options to use /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 (or whatever in your case) instead of /usr/src/linux |
| 00:45.13 | stoned | Firefishe, most radios work that way |
| 00:45.15 | Firefishe | stoned: tell me about it. this is so srange. |
| 00:45.24 | Firefishe | strange |
| 00:45.40 | stoned | they spread the signal, and whoever catches it catches it, and auth against it after |
| 00:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, what did the test I suggested you about half an hour ago result in? |
| 00:46.21 | stoned | this is a nice initiative |
| 00:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, that is, running host <somedoimain> and pinging an IP - without that it's useless to speculate |
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| 00:46.35 | stoned | cool technology if it didn't have latency issues ;) |
| 00:46.47 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I finally know what you mean. Let me do this now, won't take but a minute |
| 00:46.51 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, it's always been that way. but there are some headers installed by a devel package, iirc, that you have to be careful of.(libc6-dev?, cannot remember) |
| 00:47.00 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll pastebin the output |
| 00:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, well, just tell us if host is slow or ping shows a high latency |
| 00:47.20 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, perhaps it is the kernel-headers package. |
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| 00:47.36 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, i think you are right |
| 00:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | there will not really be any output from host www.google.com that is interesting, but if it takes 30 seconds, you know that DNS resolution is the culprit |
| 00:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and DNS is more likely |
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| 00:49.02 | Firefishe | --- 209.191.93.25 ping statistics --- 29 packets transmitted, 27 received, +1 duplicates, 6% packet loss, time 28101ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 45.114/83.692/227.655/39.138 ms |
| 00:49.29 | Firefishe | that's www.yahoo.com |
| 00:49.40 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, what i remember is that sometimes i had trouble with a few things because it was looking for headers from the current running kernel sometimes!.. so then you have to move a file(s) around or what have you |
| 00:49.46 | stoned | try fbi.gov |
| 00:49.49 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:49.55 | Firefishe | stoned: nope ;) hee |
| 00:50.06 | Firefishe | <--iq above 125 ;) |
| 00:50.09 | stoned | lol |
| 00:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, then you can supply an option for what kernel version you want to build |
| 00:50.54 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, sounds good |
| 00:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, well, so your ping is pretty much normal |
| 00:51.18 | F-Lelo | Im having relay access denied. This is my postconf -n report: http://pastebin.com/d6de3d3dd - could anyone help me, please? |
| 00:51.29 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, i have still a little rusty in spots here.. so don't mind my responses too much |
| 00:51.49 | Firefishe | host www.geocaching.com www.geocaching.com has address 66.150.167.149 ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 00:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, how about "time host www.x.org" |
| 00:52.19 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll run that, one sec. |
| 00:52.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | (the real value) |
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| 00:54.31 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: http://rafb.net/p/n7aHbB31.html |
| 00:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, there is your latency... |
| 00:55.04 | Firefishe | which is? dns? |
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| 00:55.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | 11 seconds for the DNS lookup, as I suspected |
| 00:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 00:55.29 | Firefishe | okay, now what to do about it. |
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| 00:55.48 | Firefishe | I'm not really up on dns stuff, but I'm learning fast ;) |
| 00:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, well, I told you |
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| 00:57.01 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I need to scroll up. My memory is short. Sorry. |
| 00:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, a) look at /etc/resolv.conf - if you want you can paste that in a pastebin (which can be as easy as: apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 00:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | your setup is probably such that you have several nameservers, and the 1st one is (?temporarily?) not working, while the 2nd is |
| 00:58.19 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: That was mentioned to me yesterday |
| 00:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | so each time you do a DNS lookup, the 1st server is queried unsuccesfully, until a timeout occurs, then the 2nd one is asked and gives you the host |
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| 00:58.38 | Firefishe | So I really should be forcing my system to use the second. |
| 00:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 00:58.47 | Firefishe | okay, that helps. |
| 00:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplest way for the moment is to just remove it from /etc/resolv.conf or comment it |
| 00:59.08 | Firefishe | What's the apt-get thing? I know what a pastebin is, but is that a special piece of software? |
| 00:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but resolv.conf is written anew from dhclient everytime |
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| 00:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, it's a software that automatically puts files or stuff that's piped into it on a pastebin and returns the address to you (and don't ask me, just run "apt-cache show pastebin") |
| 01:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | er, sorry "apt-cache show pastebinit" |
| 01:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | (forgot the 'it' at the end) |
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| 01:01.03 | Firefishe | np, it's running...and taking the 11 seocnds to find the domain name it needs ;) |
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| 01:01.39 | Firefishe | still waiting... |
| 01:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | pretty often your nameserver is the same as your gateway (which you see when running route -n) - at least for NAT routers |
| 01:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | which means the NAT will just forward everything to the real DNS server |
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| 01:02.31 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Is that good? Or not so good? ;) |
| 01:02.36 | saff | im trying to install linux on my netbook, but I can't figure out how to get the USB thumb drive mountable |
| 01:02.40 | saff | I cant use mkdiskimage |
| 01:02.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is normally whatever your ISP (provider) tells your DSL modem on connect that it should use |
| 01:02.52 | jlumy | Í've heard that there are derivatives of Debian, like Lindows and ColdFusion. |
| 01:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, neither, that's just how things are usually set up |
| 01:03.01 | Firefishe | k |
| 01:03.08 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/f19369bb7 |
| 01:03.12 | Firefishe | took it long enough |
| 01:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally it works, sometimes it doesnt |
| 01:03.26 | jlumy | Why would anyone want to cut his/her throat? |
| 01:03.26 | saff | how can I make a USB thumb drive mountable? |
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| 01:03.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell jlumy -about dibbler |
| 01:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | saff, put a filesystem on it? :) |
| 01:05.20 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: OhThatWuzBad! :P LOL |
| 01:05.32 | Firefishe | pratchett is a nutcase |
| 01:05.37 | jlumy | Is Lindows still around? I heard it was somehow derived from Debian. |
| 01:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, hm, that doesn't look much like what I just described |
| 01:05.46 | l403 | so I have linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, can I switch to linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 in apt? |
| 01:05.47 | saff | CutMeOwnThroat, nvm I got mkdiskimage to work =( |
| 01:05.50 | abrotman | it was .. i think it got merged with something else |
| 01:05.50 | saff | thanks though |
| 01:05.58 | Tekno | jlumy: I'ts Linspire now |
| 01:06.04 | abrotman | l403: you should install linux-image-686 |
| 01:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | saff, well, that's really the only thing needed, afaik |
| 01:06.54 | Firefishe | abrotman: Just a side quessie: What's the difference between linux-image-686 and linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 (assume lenny). |
| 01:07.16 | karsten | Firefishe: Specificity. |
| 01:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, does "find /etc -type f -exec grep -il 66.82.4.8 {} +" give you any output (as root, else you're drowned in Permission denied's) |
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| 01:08.28 | l403 | abrotman: that will keep it the most latest stable if it even goes higher like 2.7 ? |
| 01:08.28 | karsten | Firefishe: The *-1-* package is specific to that version of the kernel. The more generic one will install the most current 686 linux kernel image, which might be the *-1-* version. |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:08.49 | l403 | ok, thanx |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | Firefishe: metapackages are good for keeping things like that up to doate |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | date |
| 01:09.57 | l403 | and I should uncheck the old image too right? |
| 01:09.57 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, wow, i see you know your find and grep. and the snippet about dibbler was funny :-) |
| 01:10.17 | Firefishe | thanks all. |
| 01:10.30 | Firefishe | abrotman, karsten: kewl...thank you very much. That helps. |
| 01:10.44 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Wifey called me away, running command now. |
| 01:10.45 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 01:10.54 | k-man | is there a free way to open a stuffit |
| 01:10.59 | Firefishe | must come when wifey calleth ;) |
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| 01:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit, but I forgot how to prepend lines to /etc/resolv.conf before the stuff that dhclient puts in there (it's configured that way on my laptop, but not here) |
| 01:11.52 | l403 | right? or may I just leave it there? |
| 01:11.54 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: /etc/resolve.conf |
| 01:12.20 | Firefishe | And there is absolutely nothing in /etc/resolv.conf. |
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| 01:12.30 | Firefishe | except those lines |
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| 01:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, well, if it's not in any other file, it's either coming from you dhcp server, our you put it in /etc/resolv.conf when installing the system... but you said it's getting overwritten? |
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| 01:13.47 | ma3x | where does qtconfig save its config file? |
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| 01:14.15 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes. xingu was helping me yesterday, and suggested I try bind9, so I installed it, and was setting it to use 127.0.0.1 for name caching, but it didn't work correctly. It's still running, I think. |
| 01:14.20 | k-man | stuffit has to be the worst of the worst in terms of trialware |
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| 01:15.26 | debclair | hi everyone |
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| 01:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, I would simply prepend another DNS server before the non-working ones - like e.g. opendns: https://www.opendns.com/homenetwork/start/device/ubuntu |
| 01:15.41 | debclair | i wish you could tell me all your reasons to use Debian as your linux distro |
| 01:15.58 | debclair | why you choosed it above all the other distros |
| 01:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, ha, and that document actually tells you what I was going to tell you :) |
| 01:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (damnit, and that after all the time it took me to look it up and find the correct file) |
| 01:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | bugger! |
| 01:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, heh, find and grep are "wow" now? :) |
| 01:16.49 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Okay, so I read the page, apt-get install opendns, and then set it up so that it read opendns and not the other shtuff, eh? |
| 01:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, eh? where on earth does it say apt-get install opendns? |
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| 01:17.31 | debclair | No one? well, thanks, bye |
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| 01:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 01:17.56 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought opendns was a program...I'd just better read the page. *bonk* |
| 01:18.00 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, no.. it's your command of them that is. :-) |
| 01:18.20 | Firefishe | is sorry, he's been rather absinthe minded of late ;) |
| 01:18.26 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, remember.. i am still fairly rusty here |
| 01:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, was just wondering - what's with awk - will you fall from your chair if someone uses that? ;) |
| 01:19.01 | onetinsoldier | gawk and sed... omg.. some sed stuff is soooo intense |
| 01:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, mind, you should think about this change and keep it in mind... you're really kind of giving those people some power over you (because THEY will resolve your hosts to whatever they want) |
| 01:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course *someone* has to do it |
| 01:19.59 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, back in the day, i learned some bash shell scripting. that was what i had the best command of. some sed too |
| 01:20.20 | onetinsoldier | forget most of it now.. but now all |
| 01:20.28 | onetinsoldier | s/now/not |
| 01:20.35 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: What are we talking about here? What people? The opendns folk? Or my ISP? |
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| 01:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, the opendns people when you append that line with their servers to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 01:21.49 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Will that annoy my isp? |
| 01:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and mind, I don't *recommend* opendns to you, it's just the only free DNS service that's on top of my mind |
| 01:22.05 | ma3x | where does qtconfig save its config file? |
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| 01:22.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, no, wouldn't think so (they probably won't even notice - or care to notice) |
| 01:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !opendns |
| 01:23.18 | dpkg | it has been said that opendns is a service online that allows faster and more secure dns addresses so that people can browse the internet safer and faster, or http://www.opendns.com, or uses the nameservers 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 |
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| 01:23.34 | onetinsoldier | ma3x, have tried an updatedb and then locating it? is there a man page for qtconfig? |
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| 01:23.43 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't experience lag in vista. I'm just wondering if it's the driver, dhclient, or what? Other browsers than Firefox take forever to resolve and load. Once the browser has the domain name, it loads pretty quick. Konqueror takes a coon's age. |
| 01:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, you're probably not using the same nameservers in vista... |
| 01:24.20 | Firefishe | exactly the same addresses |
| 01:24.25 | Firefishe | I checked |
| 01:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, I'm also not 100% sure if dhclient is writing your reslov.conf - but it's very likely if changes in there get overwritten |
| 01:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | the order of nameservers might be different |
| 01:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | they are tried top-to-bottom |
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| 01:25.09 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, something is overwriting my changes. I did a `sudo dhclient eth0' a couple of times after editing it directly, and sure enough. |
| 01:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, if you call it yourself |
| 01:25.25 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Same... |
| 01:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 01:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally windows has just as much problems with a broken dns server as any other system |
| 01:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps they did some saner detection/disabling in vista |
| 01:26.07 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, on the opendns page... I'm using wicd as my gui for networking. |
| 01:26.14 | Firefishe | not network-admin |
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| 01:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 01:26.37 | amphi | Firefishe: if resolving is slow, perhaps you should use dnsmasq |
| 01:26.40 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm certain of that. I'll figure it out eventually, and I appreciate the help |
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| 01:26.52 | Firefishe | amphi: Please tell me about that. |
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| 01:27.00 | Firefishe | amphi: let me check dpkg |
| 01:27.37 | onetinsoldier | ma3x, have you tried an updatedb and then tried locate it? i see there is man page for qtconfig? at least for qtconfig-qt4 |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | cries a little when he opens his sent mail and it's almost 15k items |
| 01:28.11 | Firefishe | amphi: How do I use dnsmasq, and what is it's purpose? |
| 01:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, I would just use opendns for a while and check back if your "normal" dns server is back in service in... a couple of days or so |
| 01:28.20 | ma3x | onetinsoldier: it doesn't say anything about .conf |
| 01:28.48 | onetinsoldier | ma3x, roger. how about an updatedb and then locate? |
| 01:28.57 | ma3x | abrotman: move/sort old mail |
| 01:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands abrotman a 2m² hhandkerchief... that's what saved-2007-type-files are for |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | ma3x: it's sent mail |
| 01:29.35 | onetinsoldier | ma3x, i would think i might save it somewhere in /etc or in /usr/lib. but that's just a guess |
| 01:29.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | har, har, only 520 here |
| 01:30.03 | ma3x | abrotman: so? what's bothering you? |
| 01:30.09 | onetinsoldier | ma3x, you could also use the 'find' command |
| 01:30.39 | adama_ | how do I get X to auto-login a user, with no DE? |
| 01:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, or you could stick with opendns as long as you like it - I think they work quite reliably (only thing I don't like is to get to their search page sometimes when a name doesn't resolve under some weird circumstances) |
| 01:31.03 | Gigantic | blowfish |
| 01:31.17 | SparFux | How can I get my dri back in the vesa video driver? |
| 01:31.30 | ewet | hello, my problem: vbox crashed booting up a VM - now I ended up with 1.5GB ram and 2GB swap used although I already killed vbox (mag-sys-req had been necessary!). |
| 01:31.47 | ewet | now memory usage is still the same but I cannot see an app using it - how do I start debugging? |
| 01:31.48 | abrotman | ma3x: too many :) |
| 01:32.09 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I see. Hey, the url you gave me for opendns.com, has instructions for network-admin. I'm using wicd as my gui-based network tool. So just bring that up and change the settings there, then do the rest? |
| 01:33.01 | ma3x | abrotman: just move them to some other directory, so your mail client won't load them. what client are you using btw? |
| 01:33.21 | abrotman | ma3x: it's webmail .. and it's not really an issue with loading the mail folder |
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| 01:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell adama_ about kdm autologin |
| 01:34.02 | Firefishe | Is there an advantage to dhclient over dhcpdc or other type clients? |
| 01:34.29 | adama_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't have kdm, just xdm, and no mouse. SSH access only |
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| 01:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, so what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 01:36.00 | adama_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I want the thing to boot into an xterm, not a login screen |
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| 01:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, I don't see any instructions for any gui I only see you should put the line "prepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222,208.67.220.220;" into /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 01:36.37 | S-i-A | how to move or put directory from loclhost to remote host? |
| 01:36.57 | Tramp | for me all 3 nameservers that Firefishe once had in his pastebin resolve instantly |
| 01:37.09 | adama_ | S-i-A: scp -r /local/dir user@remote:/path/to/dir |
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| 01:37.33 | S-i-A | adama_: i mean in ncftp |
| 01:37.36 | S-i-A | sorry |
| 01:38.54 | S-i-A | put command is for file, what is for directory? |
| 01:39.20 | ewet | hmm how do I generally debug a linux system using memory excessively without any app currentoly using it? htop will not show _any_ app excessively using my memory for example. |
| 01:39.22 | stew | S-i-A: put |
| 01:39.44 | S-i-A | stew: but is for file no for directory |
| 01:39.54 | stew | S-i-A: its also for a directory |
| 01:40.38 | S-i-A | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22678/ |
| 01:40.46 | ma3x | abrotman: on the other hand you don't need so many sent-mails, your nephews will probably have more importnd things to do than reading your 'e-letters'. so start archiving, you can always extract later whatever you need |
| 01:40.55 | stew | S-i-A: man ncftp |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | ma3x: work emails .. not personal |
| 01:41.26 | ma3x | mind asking what do you work? programmer? |
| 01:41.52 | onetinsoldier | ewet, i'm not sure. but i do know if you were to compile you own kernel. you would see all kinds of debugging options you can select, including one's concerning memory management |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | i work from home, i earned 7,500 last month and so can you! |
| 01:42.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, well, guess you could always deinstall xdm and just put a "su someuser -c startx" in /etc/rc.local (mind you have to allow users startix with /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config:allowed_users=anybody, though) |
| 01:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, there's probably a way to configure that with xdm, but if you don't like the one dpkg suggests, I can't recall it just now |
| 01:42.44 | ma3x | abrotman: ha ha i'd like to do that too! but what exactly? |
| 01:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | just helped a guy from .br fix postfix on OFTC .. might regret that later |
| 01:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | [(C) Monty Python ] |
| 01:43.43 | ma3x | do you know any programming? |
| 01:44.12 | onetinsoldier | ewet, i should have just said.. all you needto do is look at a 'make menuconfig' for one.. don't have to compile it |
| 01:44.13 | ewet | onetinsoldier: well thanks, I was thinking that top could do that already as I don't wish do manage my memory use but only want to see what friggin process is messimg it all up :-/ |
| 01:45.09 | onetinsoldier | ewet, yeah.. i don't know right offhand. someone on here might tho. you could take a look at the 'vmstat' command |
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| 01:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hm, hadn't tried it - most of the time, ISPs only allow their own customers to use their DNS... if they do it's weird, as he gets an 11 seconds delay for doing a simple "host <someexistinghost>" |
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| 01:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, if those DNS' all resolve instantly for you but not for him, what would cause that |
| 01:46.44 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: that's why I mentioned it. I think this "one DNS server does not respond" diagnosis is leading in the wrong direction |
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| 01:46.49 | ewet | onetinsoldier: thanks anyway vmstat maybe could lead a way.. |
| 01:47.09 | stoned | abrotman, why? |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | lots of brasilian spam |
| 01:47.24 | stoned | oh |
| 01:47.30 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: hard to say. I'd have him tcpdump while resolving. Maybe it doesn't work for him while it works for me for some reason |
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| 01:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, seems so, but that's the situation that I would expect to cause exactly this behavior |
| 01:47.45 | onetinsoldier | ewet, maybe. but i wouldn't be in total surprise if top already showed everything that vmstat does.. been years sine i ran either tho |
| 01:47.54 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, me too - unless I verified it ;) |
| 01:48.17 | Tramp | s/unless/until/ |
| 01:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, and it's also the typical thing to happen... so much typical actually, that I can't come up with anything else now within a sensible time |
| 01:48.42 | S-i-A | stew: u r the best :) put -R |
| 01:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | except silly stuff like that his router doesn't forward udp instantly |
| 01:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:49.20 | stoned | ma3x, why? |
| 01:49.32 | ma3x | stoned what why? |
| 01:49.34 | stoned | you're looking for a developer? |
| 01:49.49 | stoned | I do freelance coding in various languages |
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| 01:50.23 | ewet | onetinsoldier: learning it while it happens is definitely not the best way.. |
| 01:50.27 | ma3x | stoned no just interested what people do |
| 01:50.29 | stoned | oh |
| 01:50.34 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, as I said. Hard to say without a dump. (I tend to use tcpdump for everything though ...). However, if using a different nameserver should solve the problem so be it. |
| 01:50.54 | onetinsoldier | ewet, :-\ :-/ |
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| 01:52.19 | onetinsoldier | ewet, keep asking you question every once in a while.. someone will have some sort of insight eventually |
| 01:52.23 | Stupendoussteve | Bah! My Debian box is connected to sixxs with aiccu fine (can ping ipv6), radvd is advertising my subnet and clients receive, ipv6 forwarding is on and ip6tables is set to all accept, any ideas why clients can't pass traffic through? |
| 01:52.31 | ewet | onetinsoldier: I'm preparing the system to reboot. however for the future it would be nice to know. |
| 01:52.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, seems I was just to caught up in relying on what's the cause in 99% of the cases anyways (and I really didn't think I could use the DNS servers myself - I know people outside my place can't use my ones) |
| 01:52.59 | Stupendoussteve | routes are also set up |
| 01:53.34 | ewet | stuppid vbox >:-[ |
| 01:53.55 | onetinsoldier | ewet, what version of kernel are you running? |
| 01:54.02 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, a properly configured DNS server should not answer recursive queries from anywhere |
| 01:54.15 | Tramp | aeh, everywhere |
| 01:54.45 | onetinsoldier | ewet, the 'lsof' has some options that can be pretty eye-opening too |
| 01:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hm, indeed the 1st two answer instantly for me as well |
| 01:55.04 | onetinsoldier | ewet, the 'lsof' command* |
| 01:56.00 | ewet | onetinsoldier: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 01:56.27 | onetinsoldier | ewet, roger that. same kernel here atm. |
| 01:56.46 | ewet | onetinsoldier: lsof was a very good idea! :-) |
| 01:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, the 3rd one does not respond at all, though (if I use something that hasn't been resloved lately and is buffered as such) |
| 01:57.01 | onetinsoldier | ewet, :-) good luck! |
| 01:57.59 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, you are right. It only answers for cached stuff (I just checked with www.google.com - have to refine my debugging-procedure ...) |
| 01:58.08 | ewet | onetinsoldier: thanks :-) |
| 01:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hm, not sure if that's it - but "host www.x.org 198.77.116.8" times out for that one |
| 01:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure about cached stuff - when I look up www.x.org on one of the others, it should become cached, but it still times out |
| 01:59.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, so perhaps the one-dns-server-doesn't-work diagnosis isn't so wrong - although I was pretty sure that the system uses them from the top of the file to the bottom, so the last one shouldn't really matter |
| 02:00.15 | krime | [error] aliases/oper.conf:7: Missing semicolon before close brace |
| 02:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | man resolv.conf -> If there are multiple servers, the resolver library queries them in the order listed. |
| 02:00.32 | krime | include "aliases/oper.conf"; |
| 02:00.37 | krime | whats wrong here |
| 02:00.38 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: read on. It can be parametrized |
| 02:00.40 | krime | i get this error msg |
| 02:00.42 | krime | [error] aliases/oper.conf:7: Missing semicolon before close brace |
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| 02:01.18 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: there is a "rotate" option or such - but I doubt that this is the problem |
| 02:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, in that paragraph? |
| 02:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, he posted his whole resolv.conf |
| 02:01.51 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: somewhere down below ... hang on .... options rotate |
| 02:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, but rotate is a nice option to actually avoid problems when one of your name servers temporarily breaks |
| 02:02.12 | Gigantic | I am trying to limit the amount of cpu all users together can use so that there is an unused 3% reserved only for kernel |
| 02:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should probably include that in my file |
| 02:02.32 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: I think the way to go would be, to have him remove that strange third NS (the other two are official NS for his provider only anyways) |
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| 02:02.55 | Gigantic | any sugestion apart of setting a limits.cionf entry for every user? |
| 02:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gigantic, I think that is (in a different way) already taken care of by nice levels |
| 02:03.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have any special reason to worry about it? |
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| 02:03.37 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, the problem with rotate is, that if any of the nameservers is broken, every n-th request will timeout |
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| 02:03.50 | Gigantic | those apps that eat all cpu and slow down the computer to an unusable state |
| 02:04.00 | Gigantic | CutMeOwnThroat: ^ |
| 02:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, yes, but he said resolv.conf is overwritten (when he calls dhclient... how surprising) - hm, but I only let him search for the number of the 1st nameserver in /etc |
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| 02:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gigantic, "unstable" in how far? |
| 02:04.31 | Gigantic | and also recursive bombs... but for that I am using nproc |
| 02:04.48 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, unless something weird is going on, he should use the first NS in his list which, as we both verified, is working just fine |
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| 02:05.39 | Gigantic | CutMeOwnThroat: There is a few OpenGL apps that sometimes like crash or I dunno then my system become so damn slow that I can even switch to console and kill |
| 02:05.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, yeah, would be nicer if there was some mechanism to drop a nameserver for... an hour or so if it's not working (but another one responds instantly), then go back to the old order... or stick with the 2nd nameserver until THAT one doesn't respond faster than a certain time |
| 02:06.04 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: so either (1) something weird is going on or (2) something strange is going on. IMHO in either case, he should tcpdump. |
| 02:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gigantic, that's usually not pure processor load, though - at least not processor load from normal userspace programs - but possibly from stuff like X that runs with a higher [negative] nice level or even kernel-parts themselves - which you can't do so much about |
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| 02:07.59 | Gigantic | CutMeOwnThroat: =\ |
| 02:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, heh... I think it's (2) - but not sure what tcpdump could tell you about it |
| 02:08.22 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, that sound reasonable. Since the resolver-library actually can cache it's state (otherwise the rotate option would not be possible) I don't know, why it's not possible to configure it that way |
| 02:08.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gigantic, you could also get swapping... that would also give you that behavior |
| 02:09.19 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: not sure as well. But I really love tcpdumps. |
| 02:09.26 | Gigantic | CutMeOwnThroat: mmm, that could be actually... Iḿ having issues with swap |
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| 02:09.54 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: and one often is surprised, what they reveal |
| 02:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gigantic, I'm not sure if it's possible to restrict user processes in this way (ulimit doesn't support it), but I also doubt that it's solving your problem... just try running a program that runs an endless loop as a normal user and see how that affects performance (from my experience it doesn't affect it at all) |
| 02:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, yeah, don't we all love unreadable hexdumps :-P |
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| 02:11.16 | Gigantic | CutMeOwnThroat: yup, Im runing perl -e 'do {} while 1' |
| 02:11.23 | Gigantic | not too good so far |
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| 02:11.42 | Gigantic | it will happily still use all available free cpu =\ |
| 02:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | processes that use lots of CPU automatically get a lower priority for running after a while |
| 02:12.17 | Gigantic | oh I didn know that.. |
| 02:12.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, but that doesn't affect other processes that don't use that much CPU |
| 02:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's not visible in any way - it's just what the kernel does all the time in its internal scheduling afaik |
| 02:13.07 | Gigantic | yah, well basically I just want to never have a lock up... guess it will take much more than just pam |
| 02:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps one can see it |
| 02:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lemme check |
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| 02:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no... I thought it might be the "PR" value in top, but that doesn't change with usage |
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| 02:15.15 | sylarr | is there a secure way to run other user's apps on on my display? |
| 02:15.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | define "secure" |
| 02:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the answer is probably "no" |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | other users? |
| 02:15.56 | Gigantic | root I am thinking |
| 02:16.13 | sylarr | I'll explain what is not secure |
| 02:16.23 | sylarr | now I auth list $DISPLAY |
| 02:16.27 | sylarr | an then |
| 02:16.39 | sylarr | auth add (RESULT) |
| 02:16.47 | sylarr | of the previous command |
| 02:16.55 | sylarr | into the new user account |
| 02:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | xauth :) |
| 02:17.08 | sylarr | and then I can run his apps on my display |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | would you rather use mit magic cookie method? |
| 02:17.34 | sylarr | but then this user have my cookie |
| 02:17.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds more secure to me than doing xauth +, though |
| 02:17.48 | sylarr | and also his bash history has it |
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| 02:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can do xauth +, allow him to send you the window and then do xauth - a moment later |
| 02:18.23 | sylarr | and then he could potentially hack into everything I do on my session |
| 02:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahem... "secure" |
| 02:18.34 | sylarr | including keyloggering |
| 02:18.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can kill X afterwards |
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| 02:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, depending on what window he sends you, YOU can do all kind of crap with his account |
| 02:19.21 | sylarr | looking man page for xauth +- |
| 02:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why I asked what you'd consider secure |
| 02:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it you're really trying to do? are you root on the machine? |
| 02:20.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it the same machine? |
| 02:20.19 | sylarr | I am not concern about him , but on my account |
| 02:20.34 | sylarr | same machiine |
| 02:20.35 | sylarr | yes |
| 02:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's using the graphical display? |
| 02:20.55 | sylarr | everyone |
| 02:21.00 | sylarr | are |
| 02:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you both be using :0 at the same time? |
| 02:21.25 | sylarr | X forwarding |
| 02:21.30 | sylarr | not :0 |
| 02:21.41 | sylarr | :100X.0 |
| 02:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | so who's on the physical machine |
| 02:21.49 | sylarr | no one |
| 02:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm.... |
| 02:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | let's say it differently, why do you want to do that? |
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| 02:22.39 | sylarr | suppose I want to configure a gui app for some user |
| 02:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're root and he agrees, just become him and run the program under his username - then xhost +/- is probably not so bad, btw |
| 02:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why can't you ssh -X thisuser@yourhost then? |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | !mit magic cookie |
| 02:23.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, mit-magic-cookie is a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me ... |
| 02:23.20 | abrotman | is that better? |
| 02:23.32 | abrotman | oh .. factoid needs to be fixed |
| 02:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | vipw /etc/shadow and copy the line with the password, then temporarily set another password |
| 02:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 02:24.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ... |
| 02:24.04 | dpkg | cutmeownthroat: what?! |
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| 02:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | exactly |
| 02:24.37 | abrotman | it says to ask about root x .. |
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| 02:25.22 | sylarr | abrotman, I didn't understand... should I read on on dpkg output here? |
| 02:25.34 | abrotman | on on off on on! |
| 02:25.35 | sylarr | (factoid needs to be fixed) |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | i fixed it already |
| 02:25.47 | sylarr | ah |
| 02:25.56 | sylarr | I thought it said somehting wrong |
| 02:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, how could you tell? line's still too long for literal, btw |
| 02:26.32 | abrotman | i know .. but it's good enough if you don't use literal |
| 02:26.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how did you know how it was supposed to continue |
| 02:26.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | except by making it up yourself |
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| 02:27.02 | abrotman | the ... at the end |
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| 02:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is kind of hard for a reference) |
| 02:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes? |
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| 02:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, is there something that explains using dpkg? I've seen in one case, that you (or perhaps just the owner?) can make real aliases - still, there is a rather confusing amount of "see somethingelse" that often even lead to "see yetsomethingelse" and so on... |
| 02:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | real aliases would be much nicer in those cases... it's frustrating to go from one see-something to the next |
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| 02:30.52 | darkhamm | where a can find a comparative between xine gstreamer and mplayer? |
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| 02:31.11 | liable | why not just try each and see which you like? |
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| 02:31.22 | liable | you dont have to pay for em you know! ;) |
| 02:31.23 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not too familiar with strace, but here's what popped up after I tried to print a test page: http://pastebin.com/m22cb19af |
| 02:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, that's all? there should be ... LOTS |
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| 02:32.45 | Corwin | There was a lot when I first ran strace, but those three lines are all that popped up when I tried to print a test page from the web interface |
| 02:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, and that part's not so interesting (well, you could look if it wrote something interesting into /var/log/cups/access_log) - you perhaps want to see what configuration files it uses (if you don't already know) .... and well, we can see it's not running ps2ps like it should - did you try changing the 100 to 66 in /etc/cups/mime.convs? |
| 02:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... and the problem with cups is that it's a jungle without a map (at least for me)... all kinds of filters calling other filters |
| 02:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | darkhamm, there -----> "I like mplayer better than gstreamer or xine" |
| 02:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | (but gstreamer can integrate movies into openoffice impress presentations) |
| 02:37.53 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: The access_log file is just the web server hit log - it has the GET for the test page in it... I just tried changing the 100 to 66 on the ps2ps line and restarted cups.. Same thing |
| 02:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I thought the access_log would be like that... |
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| 02:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... but always ready for a pleasant surprise |
| 02:39.37 | Corwin | Unfortunally this problem has been anything but pleasant. I really apprecieate your help though, thank you CutMeOwnThroat. :) |
| 02:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Coweater, btw. that's the versions of the cups\* packages I have installed http://pastebin.com/f393d7e7e |
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| 02:40.15 | onetinsoldier | hi. there is something that is a little vague to me in the make-kpkg man page. if the only target i use is kernel_image and i would like to compile the modules manually, do i need to do a 'make modules'? or did the kernel_image target already do that? |
| 02:40.33 | abrotman | why would you? |
| 02:40.49 | enouf | onetinsoldier: yes |
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| 02:41.08 | enouf | onetinsoldier: er .. i mean modules_image, not make modules |
| 02:41.59 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, it's bombing out when it comes to making the module_image target.. with said... make modules may bomb out on me. the modules or modules_image is not something i desired to leave out.. but i'm having an issue here with that target |
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| 02:42.45 | onetinsoldier | enouf, thank you. but... yes? i still need to run make modules? |
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| 02:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, you want to find the command that fails |
| 02:43.34 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, i'd love to do that |
| 02:43.49 | enouf | onetinsoldier: no, not when using make-kpkg |
| 02:44.37 | onetinsoldier | enouf, ok, so the kernel_image has already run the make modules... i only need to do make modules_install? |
| 02:45.09 | onetinsoldier | enouf, i am just trying to make sure i understand you perfectly |
| 02:45.31 | enouf | onetinsoldier: a) well, basically.. yep .. and b) no |
| 02:45.46 | onetinsoldier | b) no?? hehe |
| 02:45.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I suggested running "make modules" after making the package failed to find out what's really going wrong - probably one file fails to compile(?) |
| 02:46.08 | enouf | onetinsoldier: make-kpkg builds an installable linux-image-VERSION-name.deb |
| 02:46.14 | onetinsoldier | the kernel_image target works perfectly |
| 02:46.22 | enouf | indeed |
| 02:46.32 | onetinsoldier | but if i do.... |
| 02:46.37 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: oh .. i see |
| 02:46.46 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 02:46.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, and these are the md5 sums of the configuration files of the cups package http://pastebin.com/f2ffc1490 |
| 02:47.09 | onetinsoldier | then... what happens is it makes the linux-image.deb.. then bombs out |
| 02:47.19 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks, I'll check them all |
| 02:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, it's often so hard to find the offending command when make-kpkg starts cleaning up afterwards... or whatever it does after the error |
| 02:48.07 | onetinsoldier | i am left with this... (this is not the first line, but) |
| 02:48.15 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i know of no error, except the vague one you reference |
| 02:48.21 | onetinsoldier | doh! nvm.. i don't have it |
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| 02:48.58 | onetinsoldier | i would need to run it again and log it with the 'tee' command |
| 02:49.06 | iceman2 | if Im logged in as root and i do: crontab myfile.cron, should the cron job be scheduled immedately or do i need to enable it?? |
| 02:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I translate "bombs out" as "exits with an error"... perhaps I'm wrong with that :) |
| 02:49.28 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, nope.. no error |
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| 02:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | so your computer disappears in a cloud of smoke and makes a loud "bang"? |
| 02:49.53 | onetinsoldier | I am certainly willing to run it again. and post on a paste site or what have you |
| 02:50.21 | onetinsoldier | nope. make-kpkg does tho. haha |
| 02:50.27 | onetinsoldier | curses make-kpkg |
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| 02:50.52 | onetinsoldier | it sucks that there is no error |
| 02:51.10 | onetinsoldier | but i am left look at a number of lines of bash script code |
| 02:51.13 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: it depends on what it had for dinner :-P |
| 02:51.15 | onetinsoldier | looking* |
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| 02:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceman2, if cron runs, should work without further steps |
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| 02:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceman2, but I normally run/ran crontab -e to change the existing crontab - giving it a file overwrites, doesn't it? |
| 02:55.47 | enouf | onetinsoldier: the kernel_image should also make the modules that one is accustomed to that come in standard Debian kernels (linux-image-name) .. you shouldn't need modules_image unless you specifically also want a seperate pkg of distributable (kernel) modules only - but which sources are you using? kernel.org? or debian sources? |
| 02:56.04 | iceman2 | well i just did crontab -e and im looking at what i just put in that file |
| 02:56.09 | iceman2 | so it should be running immediately? |
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| 02:56.11 | iceman2 | because its not :P |
| 02:56.12 | enouf | onetinsoldier: and .. so do you have a ./debian dir? |
| 02:56.51 | onetinsoldier | enouf, ok, understood... but i was thinking that the modules package was perhaps needed. the linux-image.deb will place compiled modules in /usr/src/modules? |
| 02:57.12 | onetinsoldier | enouf, i was tyring to go by kernel-pkg mantra |
| 02:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceman2, yes... and you (root) get mails with any output from what's run |
| 02:57.19 | onetinsoldier | !kp mantra |
| 02:57.19 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 02:57.34 | onetinsoldier | enouf, ^^ |
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| 02:58.11 | iceman2 | whats wrong with this?? |
| 02:58.12 | iceman2 | * * * * * wget -q http://????.php |
| 02:58.17 | onetinsoldier | enouf, that first command is make-kpkg clean. i beleive that gives you a clean /.debian dir |
| 02:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceman2, mind that things run in crontab will have an environment with a reduced path (man 5 crontab, search for path) |
| 02:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceman2, ha, I just told you |
| 02:58.54 | onetinsoldier | enouf, this happens tho even when i've never run make-kpg in my kernel source dir. |
| 02:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | bulls eye, and with closed eyes |
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| 02:59.05 | onetinsoldier | enouf, and the kernel is fromkernel.org |
| 02:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | puts away his water gun with an extremely elegant gesture that you cannot help but to admire. |
| 03:00.00 | iceman2 | lol |
| 03:00.06 | iceman2 | what do you mean a reduced path |
| 03:00.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | -----> (man 5 crontab, search for path) <----------- |
| 03:02.31 | enouf | onetinsoldier: it (amke-kpkg clean) should do more than that |
| 03:02.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | amke? |
| 03:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 03:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | got it :) |
| 03:03.03 | enouf | onetinsoldier: and why wouldn;t you run make-kpkg in your kernel src dir? |
| 03:03.10 | Gigantic | wrong spelling ftw |
| 03:03.14 | onetinsoldier | enouf, what makes you think i'm not? |
| 03:03.27 | enouf | ] <onetinsoldier> enouf, this happens tho even when i've never run make-kpg in my kernel source dir. |
| 03:03.41 | cockroach | hmm, weird: lenny's apache2 seems to be doing weird stuff with mod_rewrite. a rule which works just fine on 1.3 (simple "RewriteRule ^bar$ foo.html") does not work anymore. apache2 somehow includes the full path in the rewritten url - wtf? |
| 03:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceman2, type wget --> use /usr/bin/wget |
| 03:03.55 | onetinsoldier | enouf, and yeah.. i imagine the the make-kpkg command does more than just make the /.debian clean... what are you going on about? lol |
| 03:03.58 | cockroach | leading to errors like "The requested URL /home/stefan/public_html/foo.html was not found on this server" - of course not, that's not a url! |
| 03:04.06 | enouf | ... |
| 03:04.11 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg clean command* |
| 03:04.12 | cockroach | any ideas? |
| 03:04.22 | Gigantic | isn apache2 and apache syntax different |
| 03:04.27 | Gigantic | *isn't |
| 03:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | cockroach, it's a file! |
| 03:04.45 | cockroach | CutMeOwnThroat: *I* know, tell that my apache! |
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| 03:04.46 | cockroach | :) |
| 03:05.08 | cockroach | Gigantic: is it? didn't find anything about that, rechecking google... |
| 03:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | cockroach, well, does the file exist? |
| 03:06.21 | onetinsoldier | enouf, ok, point taken.. what i meant by... ven when i've never run make-kpg ...when i've just unpacked the kernel source.. it's pristine.. i've never had to to do..... |
| 03:06.29 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/f2ffc1490 isn't quite right..... |
| 03:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | cockroach, #apache probably knows better, though... it's probably something that was just changed from apache 1 to apache2 |
| 03:06.53 | onetinsoldier | enouf, make mrproper.. then the make-kpg clean commands ...again |
| 03:06.53 | cockroach | CutMeOwnThroat: it does, yes. |
| 03:07.15 | cockroach | CutMeOwnThroat: okay, asking in there... |
| 03:08.01 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: This is what you meant: dpkg -L cups |grep etc.cups |xargs -i bash -c "(echo '{}' && md5sum '{}')" |
| 03:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, you got a point there |
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| 03:08.37 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Hello again :) |
| 03:08.52 | Firefishe | stoned: Still around? |
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| 03:08.55 | stoned | yes |
| 03:09.10 | stoned | if you hilight me, I will hear a goat making stupid noises |
| 03:09.16 | stoned | I set up my irc this way |
| 03:09.17 | stoned | :) |
| 03:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, http://pastebin.com/f510d5182 - sorry, didn't notice they're all the same |
| 03:09.41 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: no problem .:) |
| 03:09.43 | Firefishe | stoned: did you hear the goat? ;) |
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| 03:09.48 | stoned | yes |
| 03:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, tempting to keep highlighting you now :) |
| 03:10.23 | stoned | 1 hour timeout from same nick |
| 03:10.28 | stoned | 1 hilight is counted per hour :) |
| 03:10.47 | stoned | I like goats what can I say |
| 03:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, ha, I DOUBT that |
| 03:10.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | the 1 hour limit, that is |
| 03:11.09 | stoned | its not hard to script man |
| 03:11.10 | stoned | c'mon |
| 03:11.18 | stoned | but anyway |
| 03:11.20 | stoned | Firefishe, what did you need? |
| 03:11.42 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat, stoned: Well, I experimented with dhclient and dhcpcd (which is currently running). I noticed that dhcpcd sets up my resolv.conf slightly different than dhclient does. Of my 3 dns server listings in resolv.conf, it changes--looking from the bottom up--the top two. Using dhcpcd reverses them. |
| 03:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps not... never occurred to me (neither to make a goat holler for me) |
| 03:12.33 | Firefishe | dhcpcd also plays nicely with wicd...the settings in the gui seem to affect the resolv.conf file...they stay the same. |
| 03:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, we discussed your paste a bit more - the 1st two nameservers resolve instantaneously for us, only the 3rd one times out - you should get rid of the 3rd one |
| 03:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, but I'm not sure why the 3rd one should cause any trouble, because they are tried top to bottom |
| 03:13.02 | onetinsoldier | enouf, i could have worded that better i reckon. i've unpacked the source. it's pristine. i run... make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" ...what does that do to a prinstine source? there's nothing to 'clean' at least. what i'm saying is, i'm running this all for the first time. never been 'make mrproper' done or anything from having to start over. |
| 03:13.15 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I appreciate that info...I'll cut it out. |
| 03:13.27 | Firefishe | I'll brb |
| 03:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, Tram also suggested you run tcpdump while trying to resolve a host with "host something" (also, make sure to change the "something" to a host that has not been cached on..... gone with the wind |
| 03:14.05 | onetinsoldier | enouf, but i am always doing these operations from my linux-kernel dir |
| 03:15.15 | Gigantic | shouldn't the default email be linked to the hostname instead of teh router's full qualified? |
| 03:15.37 | Gigantic | I are a laptop |
| 03:16.09 | onetinsoldier | enouf, and of course.. there have been numerous times i have had to start over by running 'make mrproper' and then the 'make-kpg clean' again. make no difference.. make-kpkg bombs out either way |
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| 03:17.56 | giantrobot | i cant seem to get bridging to work with my wireless card, can anyone shed light onthis? |
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| 03:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 03:18.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 03:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | giantrobot, might be more fruitful to ask #networking than here, though |
| 03:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or #wireless |
| 03:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd listen in a mildly interested way for the smart things they can tell you :) |
| 03:20.39 | enouf | onetinsoldier: a) find a better way to tell us bombs out - and b) only when you add modules_image it bomb's out? |
| 03:21.40 | enouf | onetinsoldier: where are you getting your .config from . .and why haven't you run make oldconfig on the newest sources? |
| 03:21.43 | onetinsoldier | enouf, fair enough.. i will start the process over and post a log on pastebin |
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| 03:21.57 | onetinsoldier | enouf, one moment |
| 03:22.01 | onetinsoldier | brb |
| 03:22.10 | ross | yo, can someone tell me how to install java plugin |
| 03:22.12 | ross | for iceweasel |
| 03:22.13 | ross | ? |
| 03:22.16 | ross | what package is that |
| 03:22.17 | ross | ? |
| 03:22.19 | somnambulant | any opinion on best qt torrent client? |
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| 03:22.33 | Tramp | giantrobot: bridging with wireless rarely works. Google for your exact card and success stories. If you don't find any, it probably will not work |
| 03:22.51 | giantrobot | Tramp, that is what i was worried about |
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| 03:23.13 | giantrobot | Tramp, ive found a few articles about "master mode" working on a few wirless cards |
| 03:23.42 | onetinsoldier | enouf, you might know this already, but i am a linux user from years ago. butam rusty from years of non-use. you don't use, you lose it! hehe |
| 03:23.46 | giantrobot | Tramp, a routing work around would be nice, this is for virtual box, for what thats worth |
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| 03:23.58 | onetinsoldier | enouf, but i used to compile my own kernels all the time... np |
| 03:24.23 | enouf | onetinsoldier: you could still do it the old/usual way |
| 03:24.52 | onetinsoldier | enouf, my point is, i'mnot exactly a stranger to compiling my own kernel. where did i get my config? i made it myself. |
| 03:24.59 | enouf | onetinsoldier: the kernel README might just be the refresher course you need ;-) |
| 03:25.07 | onetinsoldier | i went through ever kernel option myself |
| 03:25.12 | onetinsoldier | every* |
| 03:25.12 | enouf | onetinsoldier: you did no such thing |
| 03:25.15 | Tramp | giantrobot: well, routing is usually easy to set up. I don't know virtual box though. |
| 03:25.20 | onetinsoldier | bs if i didn't |
| 03:25.34 | onetinsoldier | took me an entire day.. but i did it |
| 03:25.38 | enouf | onetinsoldier: i do that too ... but you started with some sort of template_config from somewhere |
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| 03:26.00 | onetinsoldier | enouf, you get one even if there is no .config in the dir |
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| 03:26.24 | enouf | you get one? one what? turtledoves? from whom? |
| 03:26.27 | ross | can someone tell me what package to install to get java plugin to work in iceweasel |
| 03:26.33 | ross | please |
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| 03:26.58 | onetinsoldier | enouf, but yes.. i started with a template.. but so what? that doesn't matter after you have carefully looked at, considered, and picked every option yourself |
| 03:27.03 | enouf | onetinsoldier: and once you answer my question, proceed to answer this; which kernel version did that config come from |
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| 03:27.20 | adb | !sunjava |
| 03:27.21 | dpkg | methinks sunjava is sun java5 is in etch, sun java6 is in etch backports, see http://wiki.debian.org/SunJava for instructions Ask me about <install java> and <backports.org>. |
| 03:27.25 | enouf | either way - make oldconfig should be able to sort it out .. (possiblt) |
| 03:27.26 | onetinsoldier | enouf, does it really make a difference? |
| 03:27.54 | enouf | onetinsoldier: no, makes no difference, i like typing and wasting my time |
| 03:27.57 | onetinsoldier | enouf, hmmm i am thinking you will say yes. |
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| 03:28.03 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 03:28.05 | ross | !tell ross about install java |
| 03:28.06 | enouf | !fail |
| 03:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ross, sun-java6-plugin |
| 03:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal enouf |
| 03:28.23 | dpkg | points at enouf and laughs hysterically |
| 03:28.38 | onetinsoldier | i just don't see how tho, is my problem. i went through every single item |
| 03:28.56 | enouf | onetinsoldier: let's take an extreme case - how well do you suppose a .config from a 2.2.x kernel would work out with 2.6.27 sources? |
| 03:29.14 | onetinsoldier | no.. i would never do anyhting like that |
| 03:29.24 | onetinsoldier | this was from a desktop 2.6.27 kernel |
| 03:29.44 | ross | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesnt exist |
| 03:29.44 | ross | and i have backports enabled |
| 03:29.44 | ross | -.- |
| 03:29.46 | enouf | a desktop kernel? sounds patched to shit |
| 03:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ross, liar, liar: ii sun-java6-plugin 6-07-4 The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6 |
| 03:30.09 | ross | how do i get it |
| 03:30.11 | ross | then |
| 03:30.16 | onetinsoldier | enouf, yes.. a desktop kernel |
| 03:30.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ross, it might be from debian-multimedia, though (don't remembe) /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 03:30.27 | enouf | ... |
| 03:30.31 | onetinsoldier | ? |
| 03:30.36 | pickcoder | there are "desktop" kernels in debian? |
| 03:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ross, or from contrib or non-free |
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| 03:30.47 | \amethyst | ross: it's in non-free backports |
| 03:30.54 | \amethyst | ross: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/sun-java6-plugin |
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| 03:31.00 | ross | \amethyst: i have that already.. in my deb tho.. |
| 03:31.03 | onetinsoldier | pickcoder, nope... but we are just talking about a .config file. |
| 03:31.08 | enouf | throws in the towel - takes a shower and proceeds to do things to his lovely female partner that shouldn't be mentioned in detail :-P |
| 03:31.15 | ross | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 03:31.15 | ross | deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 03:31.18 | ross | so why isn tit working |
| 03:31.23 | Firefishe | back |
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| 03:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, just send pictures... |
| 03:31.35 | pickcoder | tries to think of an article topic |
| 03:31.38 | \amethyst | ross: have you done apt-get update recently? |
| 03:31.41 | simonrvn | !wb Firefishe |
| 03:31.41 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Firefishe has returned! |
| 03:31.50 | ross | Package sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package |
| 03:31.52 | ross | \amethyst: yes.. |
| 03:32.03 | \amethyst | ross: wait, what architecture? |
| 03:32.10 | \amethyst | ross: it's only in i386 |
| 03:32.11 | Firefishe | ....he chortled in his joy <expressed, heretofore repressed angst> :P |
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| 03:32.15 | Hanamichi | Hello |
| 03:32.15 | ross | oh.. |
| 03:32.18 | ross | why,..? |
| 03:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> Firefishe, Tram also suggested you run tcpdump while trying to resolve a host with "host something" (also, make sure to change the "something" to a host that has not been cached on..... gone with the wind |
| 03:32.20 | ross | why not x64? |
| 03:32.27 | pickcoder | it's java? |
| 03:32.28 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | .... your system already |
| 03:32.35 | ross | that sucks |
| 03:32.40 | ross | i thought x64 was better |
| 03:32.54 | Hanamichi | I am searching a graphical desktop very stable and leger |
| 03:32.58 | ross | w/e |
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| 03:33.16 | adb | Hanamichi: openbox |
| 03:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ross, well, some think "no java plugin" == better :) |
| 03:33.30 | Corwin | I did a purge of all cups packages, and when I went to kde add printer and gave it the ppd, and then clicked test page and the kde print dialogs locked up |
| 03:33.36 | abrotman | ross: apt-cache search icedtea |
| 03:33.37 | ross | zzzz |
| 03:33.49 | Corwin | after the ourge I reinstalled (testing packages) |
| 03:33.51 | Hanamichi | adb> alright i go search on the web informations on it |
| 03:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ross, you should have said you're not running i386... sorry for the misleading answer, then |
| 03:33.56 | \amethyst | abrotman: not in backports though :( |
| 03:33.56 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: it could be worse.. Silverlight comes to mind |
| 03:34.01 | Corwin | s/ourge/purge/ |
| 03:34.02 | abrotman | is he running etch ? |
| 03:34.16 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. I'm noticing that when--staring off in Firefox with an empty cache, all settings cleared on startup--that it takes as long as 30 seconds for a name to resolve. Clicking on the links within a website appear to be virtually instantaneous. Loading a new tab and a new address takes about as long to resolve, perhaps a bit shorter. |
| 03:34.17 | ross | abrotman: nothing |
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| 03:34.21 | ross | yes im running etch |
| 03:34.22 | ross | i think |
| 03:34.23 | abrotman | is he running etch ? |
| 03:34.26 | Firefishe | staring=starting |
| 03:34.28 | abrotman | bah .. nevermind |
| 03:34.35 | abrotman | !tell ross about nspluginwrapper |
| 03:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, light up the web? |
| 03:34.40 | adb | Hanamichi: apt-cache show openbox |
| 03:34.41 | onetinsoldier | so 'starting' with a desktop 2.2.27 config file totally hoses up the kernel even if you go through every kernel option very carefully yourself? bah.. i have no qualms with starting this all over form scratch without 'any' config file. and i will do just that. but it will take me some time of course |
| 03:34.59 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 03:35.17 | ross | abrotman: ok |
| 03:35.19 | ross | i donwloaded that |
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| 03:36.11 | ross | what now? |
| 03:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, that normally also ends in a mess - which is why you normally want to start off of the debian .config (knowing that that one works) |
| 03:36.18 | ross | abrotman: ? |
| 03:36.19 | HarbingerX | ugh, I'm not having a good day.....my wifi card shows under lspci but the network stuff is only displaying my eth0 wired card |
| 03:36.28 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, i will start over.. np |
| 03:36.31 | abrotman | ross: i'm sure it has documentation |
| 03:36.38 | ross | ugh |
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| 03:36.49 | Gigantic | anyone know a 'graphical' utility to configure init runlevel? ncurses would be enough |
| 03:37.09 | Gigantic | I just don want to do all teh work one by one manually |
| 03:37.16 | pickcoder | Gigantic: sysv-rc-conf |
| 03:37.22 | Hanamichi | adb>very interesting i get it |
| 03:37.44 | adb | Hanamichi: aptitude install openbox |
| 03:37.52 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, just doesn't make sense to me though. but now that i have been over all the kernel options, more than once since i stated config'ing even, it won't take me all that long. |
| 03:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe "ugh, reading stuff" |
| 03:38.00 | Gigantic | pickcoder: okas ty |
| 03:38.09 | adb | Hanamichi: aptitude install openbox obconf menu |
| 03:38.19 | pl4yer0ne | hey all does anyone use something other than vacation for out of office replies? |
| 03:38.40 | Gigantic | gmail counts? |
| 03:38.48 | Rolly | Hi guys/girls, my apt-get is in a wierd state. It thinks I want to upgrade ssmtp and remove postfix (I don't). How can I make it "forget" ssmtp? |
| 03:38.48 | pl4yer0ne | negative |
| 03:39.13 | onetinsoldier | and NOTE: i started using /less/boot/config-2.6.26 to see what the 'debian' settings were and made sure i went by them instead of the config i got off the net |
| 03:39.16 | Hanamichi | adb>oh thanks! do you know how to launch it, please ? |
| 03:40.17 | Hanamichi | in the connexion window ? |
| 03:40.17 | adb | startx , |
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| 03:40.18 | enouf | Gigantic: i like rcconf better, but so be it |
| 03:40.18 | HarbingerX | if lspci sees the hardware and names it, but it doesn't show in network (ie my wired network card is showing (eth0) but my wifi isn't showing) does that mean the drivers aren't installed ? |
| 03:40.38 | pickcoder | Rolly: look at your upgrade output |
| 03:40.52 | pickcoder | there is probably a dependancy that is being removed and then upgraded to a new version |
| 03:41.00 | Hanamichi | adb>openbox/gnome, openbox/kde, openbox session ? |
| 03:41.06 | pickcoder | if you install the new dependancy it should fix the removal problem |
| 03:41.07 | Gigantic | enouf: oks |
| 03:41.12 | Rolly | pickcoder: http://pastie.org/private/n2pls79qie5oxtkgbsimw |
| 03:41.18 | Hanamichi | i have twl too ?! strange |
| 03:41.23 | Hanamichi | twm* |
| 03:41.49 | adb | Hanamichi: openbox DE , install dillo as browser |
| 03:41.55 | Corwin | If I try to add a printer to cups via the web, it wants a user name and password. Where is this set? |
| 03:42.15 | pickcoder | Rolly: what version of Debian |
| 03:42.25 | Rolly | pickcoder: apt-cache show ssmtp says "Status: install reinstreq half-installed" |
| 03:42.31 | Rolly | Ubuntu 6.06 :) |
| 03:42.35 | enouf | Gigantic: and last time i used sysv-rc-conf twas a tag buggy (about updating it's database, etc), and if you're not careful and start messing with the rc{0,6,S}.d files you can really make your systme non-bootabale - or non-shutdownable |
| 03:42.49 | pickcoder | gee.. not much I can do |
| 03:42.54 | pickcoder | seeing as I don't run Ubuntu |
| 03:43.04 | abrotman | Rolly: go to #ubuntu |
| 03:43.10 | pickcoder | the ssmtp package has broken depends |
| 03:43.19 | pickcoder | or something else has it attached |
| 03:43.30 | Rolly | I was messing around with the .deb file |
| 03:43.35 | Gigantic | enouf: yeah |
| 03:43.35 | xoz_ | Gigantic: you can try file-rc.d |
| 03:43.39 | pickcoder | well we can't help |
| 03:43.50 | Hanamichi | adb> alright |
| 03:43.55 | xoz_ | err: file-rc |
| 03:44.43 | Corwin | Do I have to do a passwd cups or something like that in order to create a log in for the web interface for cups? |
| 03:45.10 | Hanamichi | adb>there is no task bar |
| 03:45.19 | xoz_ | Corwin: i think not. |
| 03:45.38 | Corwin | Then where do I get this login when trying to upload a ppd file? |
| 03:45.42 | Hanamichi | is it normal |
| 03:45.58 | adb | Hanamichi: use right click |
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| 03:46.22 | Hanamichi | adb> oh yes |
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| 03:47.15 | Hanamichi | oh very funny |
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| 03:47.40 | xoz_ | Corwin: try root password |
| 03:47.55 | xoz_ | Corwin: or your username/password |
| 03:48.03 | adb | Hanamichi: install feh |
| 03:48.10 | Corwin | xoz_: That's the first and second accounts I tried (over and over again) |
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| 03:49.04 | Rolly | thanks pickcoder, I fixed it with dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r ssmtp |
| 03:50.04 | Hanamichi | adb> done :p |
| 03:50.14 | adb | apt-cache show feh |
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| 03:51.10 | xoz_ | Corwin: are you using localhost:631? |
| 03:51.22 | adb | feh may ad a walpaper to openbox ... |
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| 03:51.44 | Firefishe | talk about a lag bubble |
| 03:51.58 | Corwin | adb: yes. |
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| 03:52.52 | Corwin | When I try to add the printer via the KDE interface it locks up |
| 03:53.11 | xoz_ | Corwin: are you using the browser? |
| 03:53.26 | Corwin | the browser = Konqueror |
| 03:53.43 | Hanamichi | i installed feh but i don't know how to launch it |
| 03:54.23 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Here's my host and tcpdump output as you suggested: http://rafb.net/p/EsJNXK63.html |
| 03:54.23 | xoz_ | Corwin: try lppasswd -a root |
| 03:54.24 | adb | in a terminal : feh cube131.jpg |
| 03:54.51 | adb | Hanamichi: ^^ |
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| 03:55.42 | Hanamichi | oh yes :D |
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| 03:56.04 | xoz_ | Corwin: got it? |
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| 03:56.29 | Hanamichi | adb>it hasn't graphical window ? |
| 03:56.46 | adb | sure |
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| 03:57.07 | Corwin | xoz_: ok.. It wouldn;t take my normal root password asmy root password is a phrase that contains root. I gave it another password |
| 03:57.40 | iceman2 | im logged in as root in shell.. i do crontab -e to edit the cron jobs and enter this in: * * * * * /usr/bin/lynx -source http://????.com/p/dostuff.php please tell me why this will not work and how i can fix this easily?? |
| 03:57.47 | Gigantic | there was a list of teh default application ports smewhere under /etc |
| 03:57.54 | adb | Hanamichi: it IS a graphical window |
| 03:58.20 | Corwin | it's not working for the cups user/pass however (I stopped/started cups) |
| 03:58.27 | adb | ,i means openbox |
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| 03:58.37 | Gigantic | and it was... |
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| 03:59.00 | bombshock | Hello. Could someone tell me if by incripting my drive with teh LUKS application or by using the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel, that it would prevent me from using ndiswrapper? For some reason, using the same driver and the same version of ndiswrapper (1.53) now fails to connect or detect any available wireless connection. Any ideas? |
| 03:59.53 | Corwin | I guess I need to file a big agains the cups web interface. It seems like it should take the root account |
| 04:00.00 | Corwin | s/big/bug/ |
| 04:00.05 | Hanamichi | oh openbox is very excellent |
| 04:00.28 | enouf | bombshock: just a fyi; s/incripting/encrypting |
| 04:00.42 | enouf | bombshock: so you can search better ;-) |
| 04:00.47 | bombshock | enouf: lol thats what i meant ;) |
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| 04:01.43 | iceman2 | enouf: could you please tell me why my cronjob will not fire after saving? |
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| 04:01.58 | enouf | bombshock: i doubt it, but have you tried #ndiswrapper? |
| 04:02.26 | enouf | *shrugs* |
| 04:04.17 | bombshock | enouf: is there any good alternative appz to ndiswrapper that you could recommend? Always used ndiswrapper so I would know! |
| 04:04.38 | Corwin | adding another use with lppasswd has no effect on the cups web interface auth. It doesn;t work or is broke on my machine. I completely reinstalled cups as it broke about 2 weeks ago. |
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| 04:05.17 | enouf | bombshock: ndiswrapper is generally only used when only windows drivers are available (and/or offer more features/functionality) |
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| 04:06.05 | bombshock | enouf: bah got a d-link card and it only offers windose ( :-P ) drivers |
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| 04:06.14 | pickcoder | bombshock: did you ask in #ndiswrapper? |
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| 04:07.00 | pickcoder | If giri can't help someone else usually can. Just be sure to read the topic and prepare the debug info needed before you ask. |
| 04:07.07 | Hanamichi | adb> do you know lxde or FVWM Crystal ? |
| 04:07.37 | adb | Hanamichi: i used lxde |
| 04:07.59 | bombshock | pickcoder: Yea, waiting. There is only 8 members in the channel and that including me and some bots, so I`ll have to wait awhile. |
| 04:08.33 | Hanamichi | adb>may i try it on my desktop computer ? |
| 04:08.40 | adb | sure |
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| 04:09.18 | adb | !de |
| 04:09.18 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 04:09.22 | iceman2 | im logged in as root in shell.. i do crontab -e to edit the cron jobs and enter this in: * * * * * /usr/bin/lynx -source http://????.com/p/dostuff.php please tell me why this will not work and how i can fix this easily?? |
| 04:09.34 | Tramp | iceman2: how do you know that it's not working? |
| 04:09.52 | iceman2 | because its supposed to check a queue in a database.. |
| 04:09.57 | iceman2 | and then empty it |
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| 04:10.17 | Corwin | This is in the cups error log: E [01/Dec/2008:20:06:40 -0800] cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found! |
| 04:10.20 | iceman2 | if i run it just from cmd line.. /usr/bin/lynx -source http://????.c.... it works fine. but in the job it does not |
| 04:10.34 | Tramp | iceman2: did you check mail for any errors? |
| 04:10.54 | Hanamichi | is installing lxde |
| 04:10.54 | iceman2 | unfortunately.. i dont have access to that email |
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| 04:11.41 | enouf | iceman2: create a script for cron that contains the commands you want run, and with the correct ENV set up |
| 04:11.52 | Tramp | iceman2: then it may be hard to debug |
| 04:14.22 | iceman2 | forgive me if im wrong but having more than 1 cronjob in the file shouldn't cause the problem should it.. if its on a new line |
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| 04:16.08 | Tramp | iceman2: no. But I think you have to make sure you have a newline at the end of the 2nd entry |
| 04:16.11 | magyar | is lenny in freeze? |
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| 04:16.39 | Corwin | Anyone know how to generate the CUPS certs? |
| 04:17.04 | Firefishe | 21:36:26.433917 IP ns.direcpc.com.domain > debian.local.49930: 27955 NXDomain- 0/1/0 (113) |
| 04:17.19 | Firefishe | sorry |
| 04:17.29 | Firefishe | it truncated the front part asking the question *bonk |
| 04:17.37 | Firefishe | Could someone tell me please what that line might mean? |
| 04:18.09 | enouf | it? |
| 04:18.28 | Firefishe | enouf: was that directed to me? |
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| 04:18.42 | enouf | sure, why not ;-) |
| 04:19.18 | onetinsoldier | hi guys. i decided to install the new kernel. i will start over form sratch, even though it's working fine so far |
| 04:19.21 | Firefishe | kewl...do you know what kind of information this is givine me? It's from this tcpdump: http://rafb.net/p/EsJNXK63.html |
| 04:19.28 | onetinsoldier | s/form/from |
| 04:19.28 | Firefishe | givine=giving |
| 04:19.39 | Tramp | Firefishe: looking at your not very useful tcpdump, it means that the server did not find a record for 255.255.255.255.in-addr.arpa - which is no surprise |
| 04:20.07 | Firefishe | Tramp: I didn't use verbose...should I go back and use it? |
| 04:20.21 | Tramp | Firefishe: try the following (hang on a second) |
| 04:20.29 | Firefishe | k..no probs, I have all ngiht |
| 04:20.30 | Firefishe | night |
| 04:20.50 | Corwin | Does anyone have CUPS working on 64bit anymore (testing + newer) or is it just FBR? |
| 04:22.31 | Tramp | Firefishe: "tcpdump -vn udp port 53 or icmp or arp" then try some resolutions as you did before |
| 04:23.06 | Firefishe | k Tramp, thanks..I will pastebin the results, as before |
| 04:23.20 | Firefishe | incidentally, tcpdump as root or not? |
| 04:23.27 | Firefishe | sudo, whatevah |
| 04:24.19 | Firefishe | Tramp: Should I do that as root? |
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| 04:25.08 | Tramp | Firefishe: yes |
| 04:25.11 | Firefishe | k |
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| 04:26.33 | Tramp | Firefishe: also, show me your /etc/nsswitch.conf and tell me, if you have nscd installed (apt-cache policy nscd) |
| 04:26.51 | Firefishe | Tramp: k |
| 04:27.05 | iceman2 | i vim'd into the mail file on the server and this is what the error is: <p>The requested URL /insert.php^M was not found on this server.</p> |
| 04:27.06 | Corwin | Does anyone using cups have any files in /var/run/cups/certs? |
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| 04:28.58 | Tramp | iceman2: huh, ther is a trailing carriage-return - what Editor did you use? |
| 04:29.09 | iceman2 | lol just crontab -e |
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| 04:29.30 | Tramp | iceman2: well, and up came an editor with your crontab ... which editor? |
| 04:29.43 | iceman2 | nano |
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| 04:30.23 | Firefishe | Tramp: apt-cache policy says: Installed (none) |
| 04:30.27 | Tramp | iceman2: weird. However, your problem is the trailing CR (^M) |
| 04:30.43 | Tramp | Firefishe: that's fine. Just want to rule out, that this interferes somehow. |
| 04:31.09 | Firefishe | Tramp: k. I'll get to the other now. It'll probably be about ten or so. |
| 04:31.27 | Tramp | ten what? |
| 04:32.01 | Firefishe | should host be done as normal user? |
| 04:32.14 | Tramp | Firefishe: doesn't matter |
| 04:32.18 | Firefishe | k..tx |
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| 04:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, did you look at the tcpdump output? |
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| 04:34.20 | funky | hello |
| 04:34.33 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but it was not much help (too much lines, no -vn) - he is currently making a new one. However, it seems as if sometimes the server responds and sometimes not. |
| 04:34.45 | funky | does anyone know when has debian planned to move to xorg 1.5.x ? |
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| 04:35.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, it remembered my why I don't like tcpdump output :) It's kind of like strace output... in some regard better, in some regard worse |
| 04:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/my/me/ |
| 04:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | 10 hours? |
| 04:36.38 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: I purged all the cups packages and installed from testing again. Now I get this in the cups error log when I try to give a user/pass in the web interface: cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found! |
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| 04:36.53 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it just has to be properly filtered - and it's just an acquired ability to read them, which comes from experience |
| 04:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | just like with strace :) |
| 04:37.25 | Tramp | yep. I'm much better with tcpdump than I am with strace. |
| 04:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, after lots of experience I haven't started to love it |
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| 04:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | (strace, that is) |
| 04:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and "lots" as in "much more than I wanted at any time", not on an absolute scale |
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| 04:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ran wireshark kind of the first time this weekend and was kind of impressed |
| 04:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, g'night - I don't get any thing done ever with the irc window open... |
| 04:40.00 | Tramp | cu |
| 04:40.39 | Gigantic | To setup internal subnets, does this sound correct: 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 04:40.41 | Sebboh | I became impressed with wireshark when I came to realize that it's often easier to do the capture from within the interface rather than run the capture myself and load the dump file in the interface.. it's not often a piece of software can get something done faster and easier than I can. ;) |
| 04:40.41 | Gigantic | ? |
| 04:40.56 | Gigantic | I am not sure about the ending... should it be /24 or /16 |
| 04:42.05 | Firefishe | Tramp: Here's my host and tcpdump output, 2nd time around: http://rafb.net/p/IdlGXu63.html |
| 04:42.13 | Tramp | Gigantic: what you gave are the max. sizes of those (RFC1918) subnets. You usually want much smaller subnets |
| 04:42.56 | HarbingerX | I have a linksys wmp54g wireless g wifi adapter....does Debian v4r5 support that yet or not? I know I've read they had been added to the kernel but didn't know if deb v4r5 had it supported yet or not |
| 04:42.58 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if a .deb package exists for the game called "Urban Terror"? |
| 04:43.07 | kingsley | If so, where is it/ |
| 04:43.15 | Tramp | Firefishe: I take a look. Paste your /etc/nsswitch.conf as well please. |
| 04:43.21 | HarbingerX | Urban Terror? never heard of it |
| 04:43.21 | kingsley | s/\//?/ |
| 04:43.29 | Gigantic | Tramp: that should be /24? |
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| 04:43.36 | Firefishe | Tramp: *doh* K, I'm on it. |
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| 04:44.08 | Gigantic | well thatÅ actually my question... what number should I put |
| 04:44.16 | Sebboh | Tramp, can you elaborate? I've got three VPNs.. 10.0.81.*, 10.0.82.*, and 10.0.85.* ... When I originally set them up, I wanted them to all be distinct.. But then I realized.. They are all on the same subnet, a /8 ... This isn't what I meant to do. Can I change it? |
| 04:44.31 | Tramp | Gigantic: well, /24 is often used for simplicity. This gives you 254 useable addresses. - So yes, /24 is probably fine for your needs. |
| 04:45.00 | Tramp | Sebboh: well, simply set an explicit netmask (/24) |
| 04:45.01 | Gigantic | Tramp: ok ty o.O |
| 04:45.23 | Sebboh | Tramp, and.. that's .. OK? :) |
| 04:45.24 | Firefishe | http://rafb.net/p/TmIZBA23.html |
| 04:45.40 | Tramp | Sebboh: If you use 10.* addresses but don't specifiy a netmask, many tools simply assume /8 for the 10.... net |
| 04:45.43 | Firefishe | Tramp: That's the new paste with the same info plus the nss info |
| 04:45.55 | Tramp | Firefishe: ok, hang on. |
| 04:46.03 | Firefishe | k..thanks |
| 04:46.23 | Tramp | Sebboh: sure. 10.0.81.0/24 is a perfect subnet. |
| 04:47.01 | Corwin | Wonderfull.... system-config-printer segfaults the second I give it the root user and pass |
| 04:47.59 | Sebboh | Ok. Actually that one will be half physical machines, half virtual machines, and half vpn clients (some of which are also virtual machines) so I wouldn't call it perfect, I'd call it a mess. ;) |
| 04:49.05 | onetinsoldier | hmm, i don't think i can install the fglrx driver in my newer kernel. i reckon the fglrx driver is picky about what kernel it work with. does anyone know? |
| 04:49.23 | HarbingerX | heh, guess that means no one knows, back to my desktop :) |
| 04:49.45 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: nvidia, eh? |
| 04:49.58 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: no.. fglrx driver is ati |
| 04:50.11 | Firefishe | oh... |
| 04:51.01 | onetinsoldier | as i recall it can be picky about kernel versions that it works with |
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| 04:51.30 | kingsley | Which package of a particular game is more likely to be compatible with debian unstable? A .deb based on the "Mint" OS, or on Ubuntu Hardy? |
| 04:51.57 | onetinsoldier | so i will just go back to using the radeon driver for now.. it works great too |
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| 04:52.50 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I'm using--according to my file delving--something vesa that had a 'best guess' setup. When I first installed this system, x didn't even work. |
| 04:53.18 | HarbingerX | how do I find if mod rt2500 is in deb or not? |
| 04:53.52 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: i hear ya. the vesa driver is like a generic vga driver i believe |
| 04:54.18 | Firefishe | The asus g50v-x1 has a 1366x768 resolution--somewhat less than the g50v-a1 and a2 models, whose screen resolution is something in the 1600x1200 range. I should've waited ;) |
| 04:54.26 | Firefishe | And a weird one at that |
| 04:54.48 | Firefishe | I"m tempted to cannibalize this thing and pop in a better lcd ;) |
| 04:54.52 | Firefishe | ...when the warranty is up |
| 04:54.57 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: oh... yeah. i have 1600x1200 when i'm in X.. gotta love it |
| 04:55.09 | Firefishe | 17in or 15.4? |
| 04:56.00 | Firefishe | I have a 15.6 diagonal resolution of 1366x768 (when I'm using vista64hp) |
| 04:56.06 | Firefishe | eve online looks nice :) |
| 04:56.21 | onetinsoldier | it's considered a 21" or 22".. can't remember which for sure. it's a Samsung 214t LCD |
| 04:56.23 | Firefishe | 1600x1200 would be nice :) |
| 04:56.30 | Firefishe | oh, larger than...laptop? |
| 04:56.35 | Firefishe | then |
| 04:56.41 | onetinsoldier | yes.. it's a desktop monitor |
| 04:56.44 | rideh | the new t500's from ibm you can get 15.4 with 1900x1200 |
| 04:57.00 | Firefishe | rideh: wow...how's the gpu? |
| 04:57.02 | rideh | but you cant get that with the led backlight yet (waiting) |
| 04:57.06 | Tramp | Firefishe: Please "ping -c 20 66.82.4.8" and show me the final statistics |
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| 04:57.16 | Firefishe | Tramp: k.. |
| 04:57.27 | rideh | 1gb ram on a pretty nice vid card (its a firegl something.. unfortunatly they went nvidia -> ati |
| 04:57.33 | Firefishe | root or normal user; or it doesn't matter? |
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| 04:57.57 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: check outmy new kernel version: 2.6.28-rc6-git4-maroon-bells-amd64 ...hehe |
| 04:58.24 | Firefishe | yegads...yer a frankenkernelizer, ye are |
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| 04:58.30 | onetinsoldier | lolz |
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| 05:00.09 | Tramp | Firefishe: doesn't matter |
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| 05:00.25 | rideh | hmm just upgraded to lenny trying to make the new guake and getting errors about some of my packages being too old, like intltool and now gtk i'm not going to run into odd problems updating these on the testing platform will i? |
| 05:00.26 | Firefishe | k |
| 05:01.45 | onetinsoldier | rideh: guake? what is it? |
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| 05:03.09 | rideh | onetinsoldier, its a drop down console like tilda but more like yaukake or whatever for kde |
| 05:03.18 | rideh | Firefishe, ATI Mobility FireGL V5700 with 512MB VRAM |
| 05:03.29 | rideh | http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/systemconfig.runtime.workflow:LoadRuntimeTree?sb=:00000025:00001CCB:&smid=EC3A24B73CCE493BB1C514421A9BB0B7 |
| 05:03.38 | onetinsoldier | rideh: ok. sounds kinda neat. never heard of them tho and so i don't know what they are exacly |
| 05:03.47 | rideh | onetinsoldier, guake-terminal.com |
| 05:04.05 | Firefishe | rideh: How does compare with, say, an Nvidia 9700M GT 512MB? |
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| 05:04.06 | rideh | onetinsoldier, excuse me. guake-terminal.org |
| 05:04.13 | onetinsoldier | rideh: ihave to get my X working again.. can't really view much on the web right now |
| 05:04.29 | Firefishe | Tramp: Here's the ping output: http://rafb.net/p/1ohv3W87.html |
| 05:04.29 | rideh | Firefishe, performace wise probably blows it away, itsw a workstation lvl card on par with 9800 gts |
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| 05:04.31 | onetinsoldier | at least not images |
| 05:04.42 | rideh | onetinsoldier, :D |
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| 05:05.33 | rideh | Firefishe, i run a nvidia quattro 570m myself but wouldnt mind a bit more oomph nobody told me the 14" t61p has half the pipelines turned off vs the 15.4" t61p |
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| 05:06.39 | Firefishe | so the 15.4 performs better. Pipelines are what? GPU channels? |
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| 05:07.11 | Firefishe | hi firebird619 |
| 05:07.30 | firebird619 | Firefishe: Hi |
| 05:07.34 | rideh | Firefishe, there are lots of pipelines i think the ones that got reduced in here were memory pipelines |
| 05:08.08 | Firefishe | ah |
| 05:08.16 | Firefishe | so the 15.4 incher has them all turned on, then? |
| 05:08.26 | Tramp | Firefishe: well, from the dump I see, that sometimes the nameservers simply don't reply or reply very late. ping response is fine. In other words: I have no clue. |
| 05:08.57 | firebird619 | I have been trying today to get one of the eBay doorbusters today for $1. Everytime I find one on the site, someone else gets it faster than I do, so evidently, I am not fast enough. Could someone recommend what the fastest web browser might be? |
| 05:09.27 | rideh | firebird wget + perl |
| 05:09.44 | Firefishe | Tramp: k. Thank you for your investigative efforts. This helps me focus on a couple of htings. The isp side and, quite possibly, my ethernet controller side. The same controller works flawlessly in vista 64 hp on the other side of the drive, so it appears to be an os-side or hardware-side issue from what I can tell. |
| 05:10.17 | Tramp | Firefishe: all I can suggest is, to indeed try another NS and see, if this mitigates the problem |
| 05:10.38 | firebird619 | rideh: Could you be more specific. I have heard of wget and perl both before, but how are they used as a Web browser to search and click the Buy It Now link realy fast? |
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| 05:11.23 | Firefishe | Tramp: Should I ask my isp about alternative name servers? |
| 05:11.33 | rideh | firebird619, well it can be done but it was kind of a joke... wget can pull pages based on a script parse with perl find that text and issue a command to the server automagically |
| 05:12.43 | Tramp | Firefishe: I'd just try opendns (although I'm not familiar with this service) for a test. Your ISP will probably not have different servers (at least those two are the official NSs of your provider) |
| 05:12.46 | firebird619 | rideh: Ok. :) I have been trying to get a Nintendo Wii for $1 today since 1 PM (CST) and have had no luck, It is always gone and I have been refreshing the pages every second. They are giving away 50 of them today. |
| 05:13.02 | Firefishe | Tramp: Already tried it...quite slow compared with the usual ones. |
| 05:13.10 | rideh | firebird619, you wont get it |
| 05:13.18 | rideh | there is always going to be someone with a faster pipe than you |
| 05:13.37 | Tramp | Firefishe: but do you also get the same timeouts? |
| 05:14.13 | Firefishe | Tramp: Somewhat. I should run the tests you ran, I suppose. |
| 05:14.37 | firebird619 | rideh: I read on the Internet on forums, etc. that some are using scripts and other programs to do it automatically without being at the PC while I have been sitting here refreshing pages all day with no luck. Hope I don't get a repetitive stress injury. :P |
| 05:14.45 | Firefishe | I'm using a spread-spectrum wi-fi system... I expect some latency on the send/receive wireless journey, but it's not that heavy |
| 05:15.15 | firebird619 | rideh: I have 8 MB Cable Internet. It looks fast, but obviously not fast enough. |
| 05:15.16 | Firefishe | at least not on the vista side |
| 05:15.20 | Tramp | Firefishe: yeah, maybe - there are sure more open DNS servers around which could be used for testing, but you'd have to google for them I guess |
| 05:15.42 | Firefishe | Tramp: I don't seem to have the latency on irc connections. |
| 05:15.48 | rideh | firebird619, you and 35 million other ppl out there |
| 05:15.55 | Firefishe | I did have a lag bubble earlier, but that could've just been irc |
| 05:16.06 | Firefishe | or a lease reset |
| 05:16.36 | Tramp | Firefishe: It's not just a latency issue. It's somthing ... weird, which I don't understand. The Q is, if it is a general DNS problem or just a problem between you and those 2 servers |
| 05:16.58 | Firefishe | Tramp: Could just be the realtek r8169 module, too |
| 05:17.09 | firebird619 | rideh: My default browser is Iceweasel, what are the best ways to speed it up. I know there are things like disabling ipv6, increasing max requests, etc. but which things are the most effective? |
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| 05:17.19 | Tramp | Firefishe: that's a wireless? |
| 05:17.26 | Firefishe | no, ethernet |
| 05:17.28 | rideh | firebird619, its not going to happen man. |
| 05:17.29 | Firefishe | I'm wired at the moment |
| 05:18.02 | Tramp | Firefishe: hmm - unlikely. Hang, let's try something else - may take a minute or two ... |
| 05:18.18 | Firefishe | I have an Atheros wi-fi...isn't working yet, even with the ath9k driver...may need firmware, don't know. iwconfig says it's there, and I can set an essid, but it won't fire up. Weird thing is, when I first start the computer, the wi-fi shows up in wicd |
| 05:18.49 | firebird619 | rideh: Probably not, but it's worth a try. I have been trying all day, I'm not going to quite now. :) |
| 05:18.50 | Firefishe | If I try to connect, then cancel it, or let it time out, the gui refreshes itself and the wi-fi drops until the next reboot. Does the same thing all the time |
| 05:18.58 | Firefishe | I'll wait |
| 05:21.32 | rideh | sigh pkg-config is pissing me off |
| 05:23.07 | Firefishe | Tramp: Standing by. |
| 05:23.29 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: You getting a handle on your frankenkernel ;) |
| 05:24.19 | stoned | hey |
| 05:24.24 | Firefishe | hey :) |
| 05:24.25 | stoned | whats up in the world of #debian |
| 05:25.15 | Tramp | Firefishe: ok. Try "host www.google.com 83.180.230.174" - do you get a reply? |
| 05:25.30 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: i will get a handle on it. i was still trying to investigate of there's any way to get the fglrx driver to install into it |
| 05:25.42 | onetinsoldier | but alas... i don't think so |
| 05:26.22 | onetinsoldier | hey stoned. got a shiny new custom kernel going! how about with you? how did the sid dist-upgrade day go? |
| 05:27.29 | Firefishe | Tramp: http://rafb.net/p/6fnHjF72.html |
| 05:27.42 | rideh | what is the package name for gtk+-2.0-dev in the lenny repos? |
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| 05:29.33 | stoned | onetinsoldier, oh uhm |
| 05:29.37 | stoned | well I did non debian stuff |
| 05:29.50 | stoned | I'm going to run the upgrade right now |
| 05:30.13 | stoned | ok aptitude full-upgrade under way |
| 05:30.13 | onetinsoldier | stoned: roger that.. or should say, i don't believe it? |
| 05:30.24 | Firefishe | is really considering *something different*. I have this cd of Solaris 10 from 2006 and I was just considering my options ;) |
| 05:30.28 | stoned | You can't belive its not butter either? |
| 05:30.31 | stoned | word. |
| 05:30.58 | onetinsoldier | it's not nice to mess with mother nature! |
| 05:31.18 | onetinsoldier | ans toned show our age |
| 05:31.26 | onetinsoldier | and toned show our age |
| 05:31.34 | onetinsoldier | arrrgh.. oh well |
| 05:31.50 | onetinsoldier | i'm a typo fool |
| 05:31.53 | Firefishe | This laptop can hold another drive, and it would interesting to try out a strange linux or perhaps one of the bsd's or open solaris...just to learn something new |
| 05:32.12 | Firefishe | or even.....*shudder* slackware ;) <runs> |
| 05:32.53 | Firefishe | Tramp: I'm holdin' on for ya |
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| 05:33.08 | Firefishe | not that I'm going anywhere ;) |
| 05:33.14 | rideh | can anyone tell me how to track down package names myself? currently needing pygtk-dev, gconf2-dev but having difficulties getting them |
| 05:33.31 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: good.. i love you man |
| 05:33.48 | amphi | !tell rideh -about search |
| 05:33.50 | Tramp | Firefishe: This is the same host you are irc-ing from, right? |
| 05:33.53 | rideh | no package 'gtk+-2.0' found; No package 'pygtk-2.0' found is my output from ./configure && make |
| 05:33.58 | rideh | amphi, typ |
| 05:34.00 | stoned | whats debian in pig latin |
| 05:34.02 | Firefishe | Tramp: I'm not sure on that. |
| 05:34.03 | stoned | Ebianday! |
| 05:34.07 | Gigantic | !tell me to get lost |
| 05:34.09 | Firefishe | If you mean it's the same computer, yes. |
| 05:34.23 | Tramp | Firefishe: yes, that's what I mean. |
| 05:34.28 | Firefishe | yes, it is |
| 05:34.37 | amphi | 'typ'? |
| 05:34.47 | Firefishe | heya amphi |
| 05:34.49 | adb | rideh: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 05:35.11 | onetinsoldier | rideh: i'm sure you know apt-cache search |
| 05:35.15 | Tramp | Firefishe: can you just "ping 83.180.230.174" (no need to pastebin it) |
| 05:35.19 | rideh | onetinsoldier, i do now :D |
| 05:35.24 | adb | rideh: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 05:35.27 | stoned | just remember for building stuff you need sources |
| 05:35.29 | rideh | ty |
| 05:35.29 | Firefishe | Tramp: K |
| 05:35.30 | onetinsoldier | rideh: ok, cool |
| 05:35.33 | stoned | those are located in the -dev packages of a lib |
| 05:35.40 | stoned | so you need the lib along with its headers |
| 05:35.47 | stoned | those are in the dev package |
| 05:36.02 | Tramp | Firefishe: yeah, ok. I see your IP. |
| 05:36.10 | rideh | adb ty though i wanted to know how to find it myself so i dont keep coming and asking something i can find for myself. but i appreciate thta one it was proving elusive |
| 05:36.34 | onetinsoldier | rideh: are you in X? |
| 05:36.44 | Firefishe | Tramp: ping isn't going through |
| 05:36.45 | rideh | yes |
| 05:36.53 | rideh | onetinsoldier, yes but i'm a apt-get guy |
| 05:36.59 | onetinsoldier | rideh: you ever hear of synaptic? |
| 05:37.13 | onetinsoldier | if not.. you have now :-) |
| 05:37.20 | rideh | yea i heard thats the qt one right? |
| 05:37.30 | Tramp | Firefishe: yeah, I see you hit my Firewall. Just rerun the previous host-command with a different host (also, no need to pastebin, I just want to see you hit my nameserver) |
| 05:37.33 | onetinsoldier | rideh: i believe it's gtk |
| 05:37.52 | onetinsoldier | rideh: almost certain it's gtk |
| 05:37.54 | Firefishe | host <what> ? |
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| 05:37.59 | Firefishe | anything? |
| 05:38.13 | rideh | onetinsoldier,but why would i want that when apt-get works? |
| 05:38.25 | Tramp | Firefishe: e.g. "host www.geocaching.com 83.180.230.174" |
| 05:38.30 | Firefishe | k |
| 05:38.45 | adb | apt-file search gtk+-2.0 |
| 05:38.52 | amphi | !tell rideh -about why aptitude |
| 05:39.15 | Firefishe | Tramp: Just did. |
| 05:39.23 | onetinsoldier | rideh: apt-get is fine.. but synaptic does make it even easier to seach for packages, mainly because of the nice view |
| 05:39.27 | Firefishe | It said no name servers found |
| 05:39.50 | Firefishe | scratch that |
| 05:39.51 | Tramp | Firefishe: hmm. I didn't see a request. |
| 05:40.03 | Firefishe | gc.com may have protection...we should try another |
| 05:40.44 | Tramp | Firefishe: another what? |
| 05:40.57 | Firefishe | how about that time...just did another one with www.google.com as the address |
| 05:41.54 | Tramp | no, I don't see a request coming in. |
| 05:42.00 | Firefishe | now? |
| 05:42.24 | Tramp | nada. Do you have netcat (or nc) installed? |
| 05:42.40 | Firefishe | ran it again |
| 05:42.47 | Firefishe | let me look, if not, I'll install it |
| 05:43.09 | Firefishe | I have both installed |
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| 05:43.56 | Tramp | Firefishe: ok as root try "netcat -u 83.180.230.174 53" |
| 05:44.08 | rideh | amphi, well those are good reasons |
| 05:44.13 | Tramp | Firefishe: then just type something |
| 05:45.32 | Firefishe | type after the command is run? In the terminal? |
| 05:46.02 | Tramp | Firefishe: yes, just after you started the netcat. Some characters, then return |
| 05:46.12 | Firefishe | yes...many times |
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| 05:47.13 | Tramp | Firefishe: weird. I don't see a connection. As if something would block outgoing 53 udp |
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| 05:48.53 | Tramp | Firefishe: well, I wanted to test against my nameserver - but for some reason it doesn't work unfortunately |
| 05:49.03 | Firefishe | Tramp: Here's what I'm using for my ISP: http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/TR-CPQ-Series |
| 05:49.15 | Firefishe | Could be a port block |
| 05:49.41 | Firefishe | www.radiowire.net is the isp |
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| 05:50.29 | Tramp | Firefishe: yeah, well - no way to debug this further for me |
| 05:50.49 | Firefishe | Well, you've gone above and beyond. |
| 05:51.23 | Firefishe | One can't ask any more than what you've accomplished. I'll ask the service techs who may know linux (bound to be somebody there) and see what I can derive from their input. |
| 05:51.50 | Tramp | Firefishe: well, good luck then, gtg now anyways |
| 05:52.00 | Firefishe | Could just be a radio setting is off, too. The thing is programmed, probably, through a crossover cable. |
| 05:52.05 | Firefishe | k, Tramp...be well |
| 05:52.09 | Tramp | cu |
| 05:52.46 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Hey bud...might you have a howto written up on how you made your frankenkernel? I compiled one myself a while ago, and it hangs on looking for the root filesystem. |
| 05:53.07 | Firefishe | same type...2.6.7.7 |
| 05:53.49 | Firefishe | brb |
| 05:54.07 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: all ihad to do was modprobe 'radeon' and i was able to startx. i'll be back in a minute to try and help you out.. ok? |
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| 05:56.36 | Firefishe | k.... |
| 05:56.38 | Firefishe | ;) |
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| 05:57.45 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, howdy... |
| 05:57.55 | nullboy | is there some known problem with flash rendering on debian testing? |
| 05:57.59 | Firefishe | velcome back, herr doktore ;) |
| 05:58.24 | Firefishe | nullboy: flash is working for me in Firefox (not iceweasel) |
| 05:58.40 | onetinsoldier | thanks. i wish i were a doctor, hehe |
| 05:58.53 | onetinsoldier | nullboy, are you running 64-bit? |
| 05:58.59 | nullboy | onetinsoldier: no |
| 05:59.02 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 05:59.19 | nullboy | the same site displays fine on a system running another distro. |
| 05:59.30 | muhoo | how can i paste from rxvt to iceweasel 3.0? it's not working anymore, whereas on old iceweasel 2.0 it was |
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| 05:59.41 | nullboy | How do i install firefox instead of iceweasel? |
| 05:59.56 | Firefishe | nullboy...couldn't be easier |
| 06:00.01 | Firefishe | go to www.firefox.com |
| 06:00.04 | muhoo | 3.0.3 iceweasel, to be specific is MAKING ME CRAZY |
| 06:00.14 | muhoo | i can't middle-click and paste anymore from X11 apps |
| 06:00.15 | Firefishe | click download...it should select linux automagically |
| 06:00.25 | stew | nullboy: why do you want firefox instead of iceweasl? |
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| 06:00.39 | muhoo | there appears to be no way to get text from rxvt or an xterm into iceweasel |
| 06:00.44 | nullboy | Firefishe: so i have to adulter the system with a manual install? |
| 06:00.48 | nullboy | Firefishe: that doesn't seem very proper to me |
| 06:00.56 | muhoo | middle-clicking now brings up an obnoxious pop-up menu, instead of X11 just pasting the text in |
| 06:00.59 | Firefishe | What you'll get is a tarball. unzip it to your home directory. It works from within it's own directory |
| 06:01.04 | muhoo | shift+insert doesn't seem to do anything either |
| 06:01.06 | nullboy | Firefishe: .... |
| 06:01.52 | stew | muhoo: you should be able to change what middle click does in about:config |
| 06:02.06 | Firefishe | nullboy: you can use it for testing. I have no qualms about using stuff that works. I'd like to use alsa right now, but I'm using the OSS binary. Although I'll compile it shortly, and avoid the six month cut-out nonsense. |
| 06:02.15 | muhoo | stew: i tried that. it doesn't help |
| 06:02.17 | Firefishe | I like to have sound. |
| 06:02.20 | nullboy | so everyone just lives with that? completely horrible flash rendering under debian? |
| 06:02.21 | onetinsoldier | muhoo, is rxvt the only terminal you have tried? |
| 06:02.23 | stew | muhoo: and there are paste menu items, but that might require you getting the stuff from the selection to the clipboard |
| 06:02.42 | onetinsoldier | nullboy, no. but i'm running a 64-bit system here |
| 06:02.48 | stew | nullboy: that has nothing to do with iceweasel vs. firefox, in this aspect they are identical |
| 06:02.49 | muhoo | onetinsoldier: xterm has same problem |
| 06:02.57 | onetinsoldier | muhoo, roger |
| 06:03.09 | nullboy | stew: i understand that. i am not going to do what the other guy suggested... |
| 06:03.30 | nullboy | this just makes no sense, i have slackware laptop at it displays the same page perfectly |
| 06:03.31 | Firefishe | nullboy: hear me out: download stock firefox from the website. then go to youtube.com and try to click on a video...it'll ask you to install flash...click that, and it'll say Manual Install...that'll take you to the adobe page....or you can go there yourself. |
| 06:03.49 | nullboy | Firefishe: please. i know how to install the plugin. |
| 06:03.50 | muhoo | stew: how can i get stuff from X11 clipboard into iceweasel? |
| 06:03.53 | muhoo | that is the problem |
| 06:04.00 | stew | muhoo: edit->paste |
| 06:04.08 | muhoo | stew: grayed out! |
| 06:04.12 | Firefishe | nullboy: just trying to be of service. See if flash works on youtube with stock firefox |
| 06:04.15 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, do you have sound working yet? |
| 06:04.25 | muhoo | edit->paste is unvailable |
| 06:04.27 | stew | muhoo: how did you get something into the clipboard? |
| 06:04.38 | nullboy | Firefishe: i never said it wasn't working.... |
| 06:04.42 | muhoo | stew: shift-select in rxvt or xterm |
| 06:04.45 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: yes. I'm currently using the oss binary from 4front.com. I have the source code, and will compile it sometime soon. |
| 06:04.48 | nullboy | Firefishe: it is rendering like crap |
| 06:04.59 | Firefishe | nullboy: oh, in what way? |
| 06:04.59 | muhoo | or, select from emacs |
| 06:05.15 | Firefishe | pixelated/ |
| 06:05.16 | Firefishe | ? |
| 06:05.18 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ah, i see. you ready to try compiling anew kernel? you are running lenny iirc |
| 06:05.19 | stew | muhoo: are you sure that uses the X clipboard and not the X selection? |
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| 06:05.29 | muhoo | x selection then |
| 06:05.29 | stew | nullboy: which flash plugin are you using? |
| 06:05.35 | muhoo | stew: no, i thought they were the same thing |
| 06:05.41 | stew | muhoo: no, they are different |
| 06:05.43 | nullboy | stew: whatever came with debian |
| 06:05.53 | nullboy | some swfdec thing |
| 06:06.06 | stew | nullboy: yes, that one is quite a work in progress |
| 06:06.07 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: yes, and I have already compiled the beast...it just won't boot. Actually, I just rm -rf'd my working build directory, so I am able to start from scratch. |
| 06:06.11 | stew | nullboy: which one are you using in slackware? |
| 06:06.24 | nullboy | stew: under slackware i'm using the adobe plugin |
| 06:06.33 | muhoo | stew: how do i get my x selection into iceweasel's clipboard then? |
| 06:06.55 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you removed the whole kernel source dir? |
| 06:07.12 | stew | nullboy: you could use the non-free adobe plugin in debian by installing the flashplugin-nonfree package or you can try the other free plugin which is gnash |
| 06:07.12 | muhoo | stew: or, my emacs kill buffer (which automatically gets added to x selection, apparently) into iceweasel's clipboard |
| 06:07.31 | nullboy | stew: ok thanks, i'll give it a shot |
| 06:07.32 | stew | muhoo: there are tools like xclip which would let you move something from the selection to the clipboard |
| 06:07.37 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I have the original .bz2 file. I don't build kernels in /usr/src, I build them in my /home/user space, then transfer what I need over, or just use the usual commands. I build as root user, anyway |
| 06:08.01 | muhoo | stew: thanks. xclip is a gui tool. is there anything command-line oriented which will do it? |
| 06:08.25 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, roger. do you go about configuring all the kernel options yourself? |
| 06:08.26 | muhoo | i.e., something i can wire up to an F key or hot key in my wm? |
| 06:08.32 | stew | judd: info xclip |
| 06:08.33 | judd | stew: xclip (x11): is optional; Version: 0.08-7; Size: 16.0k; Installed: 72k -- command line interface to X selections |
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| 06:08.55 | stew | muhoo: xclip and xsel |
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| 06:09.22 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Well, I can. What would you suggest? I used the config from the current kernel this last time, and may have messed up along the way somewhere. I tried make-kpkg but didn't find a .deb anywhere. I just need to start from scratch. |
| 06:09.22 | muhoo | stew: thanks! xsel looks like it might do the job, thanks |
| 06:09.23 | stew | muhoo: where is it that you are middle clicking that it isn't pasting the x selection? |
| 06:09.47 | muhoo | stew: in iceweasel URL bar, or in iceweasel form fields |
| 06:10.13 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: What I have is the .bz2 file of the 2.6.27.7 kernel source |
| 06:10.17 | stew | muhoo: this all works for me with a default iceweasel configuration |
| 06:10.30 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, a lot of this is up to you and what you want to do/try. what version is the source you have? just curious |
| 06:10.48 | muhoo | stew: it does not for me though :-( |
| 06:10.50 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i see |
| 06:10.51 | Firefishe | 2.6.27.7, from kernel.org |
| 06:11.13 | muhoo | stew: iceweasel 3.0.3-3 |
| 06:11.16 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you want the same version i have? hehe |
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| 06:12.00 | stew | muhoo: try exiting iceweasel, moving your .mozilla directory out of the way (so you'd be using a fresh configuration), and try it again |
| 06:12.01 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Mainly, I have module problems. I need a working ath9k module for my atheros wifi card, and possibly a fix for my ethernet controller, if that is a problem at all. Been working that out all night as you may recall ;) hee |
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| 06:12.37 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ahh, i did see a little about it earlier.. i was busy working out my own kernel at the time though |
| 06:12.41 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Actually, if you have time, I wouldn't mind going over the entire kernel build process if you want. I could stand a buildproject. |
| 06:13.10 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I mean, I can make xconfig and make gconfig. menuconfig even works, although it bugs me. |
| 06:13.13 | amphi | Firefishe: did you look at compat-wireless for ath9k? |
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| 06:14.09 | muhoo | stew: xsel says my select buffer is " 3.0.3-3" which is the last thing i selected. i load iceweasel with fresh config (no .mozilla dir), and... edit->paste is greyed out |
| 06:14.09 | Firefishe | amphi: yeah, I"m running it now, but my wifi is weird. When I start the puter, wicd--my gui network manager in kde and gnome--picks up the router, but when I go to connect it, it times out and then wicd doesn't see it anymore. iwconfig won't bring it up either. |
| 06:14.10 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yes.. that would be fine. i won't be going over every single option that's in the kernel with you though. but if you have a question about one, i 'might' know a little about it. |
| 06:14.15 | nullboy | stew: thank god. much better. thanks for that tip |
| 06:14.43 | nullboy | whatever swfdec is, it needs to die |
| 06:14.48 | muhoo | stew: hah. xsel | xsel -ab segfaults! |
| 06:14.49 | amphi | Firefishe: removing and modprobing the driver revives it? |
| 06:14.55 | muhoo | i tried, i really tried |
| 06:14.58 | stew | muhoo: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 06:14.59 | Firefishe | amphi..unfortunately, no |
| 06:15.09 | amphi | :( |
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| 06:15.18 | muhoo | stew: thanks. can you duplicate it? |
| 06:15.45 | muhoo | i.e. before i report it, are we sure it's not just something misconfigured here? |
| 06:15.58 | Firefishe | amphi: At least the problem is duplicatable, but I can't bring the wireless back up. I wonder if another module is interfering with it. Want to look at my lsusb output? |
| 06:16.19 | stew | muhoo: i can't, but xsel doesn't require any configuration |
| 06:16.19 | amphi | no, no |
| 06:16.22 | stew | muhoo: you should report it |
| 06:16.45 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Well, can you give me a basic rundown of the commands you used? I can make xconfig...but a line by line operative procedure would help me to use the system correctly. |
| 06:16.52 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I can mull out the selections |
| 06:16.58 | Firefishe | mull over |
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| 06:17.27 | abelcm | I can't see any installers on debian.org for debian unstable, are you just meant to install debian testing and then dist-upgrade or just add unstable to sources.list? |
| 06:19.01 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i unpack the kernel. then i used two patches since i wanted the bleeding edge one. do you want to try that? or just stick with the 2.6.27.7 one? mine is working fine... so far |
| 06:19.17 | Firefishe | amphi: Here's the output of lsmod: http://rafb.net/p/l5SVeP31.html |
| 06:19.48 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Can you tell me the patches, and how to apply them? |
| 06:19.56 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yes |
| 06:19.59 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I remember the patch command, but it's been a while |
| 06:20.05 | onetinsoldier | starts up browser |
| 06:20.26 | Firefishe | has one or three going ;) |
| 06:21.00 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i didn't get it right the first time myself, even tho it's not very difficult |
| 06:21.09 | muhoo | ah alias xs='xsel | xsel -b' |
| 06:21.14 | muhoo | that works |
| 06:21.28 | muhoo | now i can get stuff from xterms into firefox. workaround found |
| 06:21.30 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I assume you apply the patches before you begin the build process? |
| 06:21.50 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, the hardest part was actually determining what patches go against the 2.6.27 kernel |
| 06:21.53 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: To the pristine, recently untarred source directory? |
| 06:22.16 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: And did you determine this? |
| 06:22.28 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, oh yes.. but, you have to want to do this. i am wondering if you will still want to with the next thing i am about to tell you |
| 06:23.02 | Firefishe | pulls up his hip waders...go ahead ;) |
| 06:23.16 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, first.. you must download the 2.6.27 kernel... no subversion, just 2.6.27 |
| 06:23.27 | nullboy | so say you install Debian with gnome, is it possible to change over to kde later? |
| 06:23.49 | onetinsoldier | nullboy, oh yes. i have both installed. and other window mangers as well |
| 06:23.50 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: So I can't use the 2.6.27.7 and apply the patches from there? |
| 06:23.57 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, nope |
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| 06:24.02 | Firefishe | why is that? |
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| 06:24.30 | n-iCe | question, how you guys would use grep to retrieve files with an specific text in the whole system. will grep -ri 'test' * , do the trick?? |
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| 06:25.03 | simonrvn | n-iCe: you asked that yesterday. |
| 06:25.14 | n-iCe | and couldn't make it work, that's why I am asking today :) |
| 06:25.22 | n-iCe | already read the man |
| 06:26.08 | onetinsoldier | i may have run into my first kernel problem.. powershell isn't working.. but i don't know for sure that it's a kernel problem |
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| 06:26.27 | simonrvn | did you *understand* the manual? |
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| 06:26.53 | onetinsoldier | eterm works fine though |
| 06:27.08 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: What is the kernel name I want? 2.6.27.1? |
| 06:27.09 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, hang on.. ok? |
| 06:27.16 | Firefishe | k. no probs |
| 06:27.16 | n-iCe | simonrvn: no, that's why I am asking |
| 06:27.17 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 06:27.28 | abelcm | wait, this looks more promising: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 06:28.49 | simonrvn | n-iCe: -XX are options you can use to do something. the command format and syntax is just like any other command. <command> <options> [optional arguments to options] <file[s]> |
| 06:28.57 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, this one... linux-2.6.27.tar.bz2 |
| 06:29.43 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I"m at ftp.kernel.org....have to go through all these files... |
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| 06:30.10 | Firefishe | onetinesoldier: found it! d/l now |
| 06:30.29 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you do have to scroll down to it, yes.. it won't take you long |
| 06:30.40 | Obligatory | Is there any linux software (preferably Debian) to run a CD lens cleaner disk? |
| 06:30.59 | Firefishe | abelcm: What is that directory you posted? 64 bit debian kernel image? |
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| 06:31.16 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, and it looks like my powershell problem is a lib problem from installing and and uninstalling the fglrx driver. i'll have to fix that |
| 06:31.30 | Firefishe | What is powershell? |
| 06:31.48 | abelcm | Firefishe: 64 bit debian-sid |
| 06:32.06 | abelcm | I struggled to find any mention of it on debian.org |
| 06:32.06 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, what window manager do you use? |
| 06:32.25 | Firefishe | onetinsolidier: kwm I guess. I'm using kde 3.x |
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| 06:33.19 | onetinsoldier | ok.. it's like the terminal in there.. you can have multiple tabs, but it's a gnome thing rather than kde |
| 06:33.40 | Firefishe | I see |
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| 06:34.09 | Firefishe | I find kde suits me a little better than gnome, although I do have to admit that the 'buntu folk have gnome well-tailored. |
| 06:34.22 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, terms like eterm and rxvt don't have the nice multiple tabs option |
| 06:34.41 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: nope. I prefer konsole |
| 06:34.45 | onetinsoldier | unless you get powershell or gnome-terminal |
| 06:34.59 | Firefishe | but my favorite editors are gedit and nano |
| 06:35.01 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, konsole have tabs? |
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| 06:35.09 | onetinsoldier | ir does doesn't it? |
| 06:35.19 | Firefishe | yes, very obvious tabs |
| 06:35.35 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, roger... ok. you find that tarball yet? |
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| 06:35.44 | Firefishe | it's downloading |
| 06:35.49 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, cool |
| 06:35.53 | Firefishe | 44% |
| 06:36.11 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, then you will need the two patches |
| 06:36.11 | Obligatory | I searched online, and it seems like the one piece of hardware (A CD with brushes on the bottom) that nobody's tried to write *nix software for. |
| 06:36.22 | Firefishe | abelcm: Do you suggest I d/l the kernel image from sid there? |
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| 06:37.00 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you are commited now. hehe, don't let me down! |
| 06:37.11 | onetinsoldier | j/k |
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| 06:37.32 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: oh I know, but it doesn't cost anything to d/l an already-compiled kernel package for debian, and it's accompanying initrd, does it? ;) |
| 06:37.42 | onetinsoldier | no |
| 06:37.44 | Firefishe | at worst, it won't boot |
| 06:37.56 | newfeats | will Debian detect my SATA HDD? |
| 06:38.01 | Firefishe | although this is not 64 bit user space |
| 06:38.09 | newfeats | i tried r4a and it didn't. |
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| 06:38.15 | Obligatory | Possble algorithm: slow down drive to 1x CD speed. Advance stepper somehow, preferably with standard tools. Deduce where the brushes are based on ... not sure how to do that one. |
| 06:38.22 | onetinsoldier | newfeats, it did for me.. well, the testing version that i'm using anyway |
| 06:38.46 | onetinsoldier | newfeats, i installed testing/lenny |
| 06:38.53 | stew | newfeats: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 06:39.58 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you're not running 64-bit userspace? |
| 06:40.09 | Firefishe | no |
| 06:40.14 | onetinsoldier | oh... |
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| 06:40.19 | onetinsoldier | how come? |
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| 06:40.56 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Well, I want this system to work properly ;) hee. I didn't have the 64bit version. I d/l this off of a lenny netinstall cd. |
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| 06:41.40 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, 64-bit is working all good for me tho. what is it that you thought wouldn't work? |
| 06:42.15 | Obligatory | See I have this old CD lens cleaner disc, brushes, and the thing probably only runs in Win3.1, nasty. Could try 'wine' or some other emulator, to install its built in hellware, but it's such an ugly solution... |
| 06:42.20 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Are the partitions the same for 64bit as 32bit user space? |
| 06:42.32 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yes. |
| 06:42.45 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: well, that saves me some time. |
| 06:42.51 | newfeats | stew: thank you very much. |
| 06:42.55 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: hold on, let me show you something: |
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| 06:45.19 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: http://rafb.net/p/wdjwZA57.html |
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| 06:45.58 | Obligatory | Quiet tonight. |
| 06:46.07 | Firefishe | *cymbal crash* |
| 06:47.11 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i'm not exactly sure what to make of that message. probably not a problem though. what brings up that message? simply the mount command? |
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| 06:47.46 | onetinsoldier | ok.. looks like a patitioing util |
| 06:47.50 | Firefishe | no, it's my partitioning setup...never mind |
| 06:47.53 | onetinsoldier | partitioning* |
| 06:48.07 | Firefishe | It's all right |
| 06:48.15 | Firefishe | obviously, it's booting ;) |
| 06:48.45 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i think might know why it saying that. how big is your hard drive? |
| 06:49.01 | Firefishe | saying what? |
| 06:49.02 | Firefishe | 200gb |
| 06:49.12 | Firefishe | hold on |
| 06:49.13 | onetinsoldier | ok, nvm |
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| 06:50.31 | Obligatory | Ah well, off to try a Q-tip... |
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| 06:50.59 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i think it's just letting you know that older stuff might now work with that number of cylinders... i mean, old lilo, dos fdisk, os/2 fdisk.. that's old stuff there |
| 06:51.00 | uva | i caanot connect to google |
| 06:51.09 | uva | @@ |
| 06:51.18 | Firefishe | I see. Yes, well fdisk is old |
| 06:51.18 | Hanamichi | try scroogle |
| 06:51.35 | onetinsoldier | and so is dos and os/2 |
| 06:51.39 | Firefishe | I think 2.5gb for my swap partition might've been overkill |
| 06:51.40 | Gigantic | !die |
| 06:51.40 | dpkg | I'll murder you gigantic! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
| 06:51.49 | uva | scroogle? |
| 06:52.34 | Gigantic | no u wont |
| 06:52.45 | Hanamichi | uva> http://www.scroogle.org/scrapen8.html |
| 06:52.51 | Firefishe | 51.8GB for the linux partition, and 2.51gb for the swap...overkill for 4gb ram? |
| 06:53.10 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, perhaps, but it's actually not a bad idea to make your swap one-half the size of system mem |
| 06:53.28 | Firefishe | ok, so it's all right then |
| 06:53.37 | Hanamichi | i don't understand openbox. i have to configure my programs on each connexion |
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| 06:53.44 | Gigantic | Firefishe: I don think youĺl even use that ram |
| 06:54.16 | Firefishe | Gigantic: One can never have enough ram...;) |
| 06:54.27 | Firefishe | or enough disk space...I want a cool TB |
| 06:54.28 | Gigantic | swap is not ram |
| 06:54.43 | Gigantic | and x86 cant use beyond 3g anyways |
| 06:54.50 | Gigantic | unless pae |
| 06:54.53 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yeah. you'll probably never use that much swap. but you never now. if something wierds starts happening.. at least it'll be likely you will have some time before swap is filled |
| 06:55.24 | Gigantic | However... I have 4G ram and 2G swap also :p |
| 06:55.44 | onetinsoldier | same here, 4 gig ram and 2 gig swap |
| 06:55.49 | Gigantic | I had a 2G partition and was like oh... wth do I do with it... Oh! swap |
| 06:55.49 | stew | swap is useful for hibernate as well |
| 06:56.17 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I"m looking at my partitions with GParted: It lists my 2nd windows partition and my linux-swap partition under /dev/sda3, as /dev/sda5(ntfs) and /dev/sda6(linux-swap) respectively. |
| 06:56.29 | Firefishe | ext3 is / on /dev/sda4 |
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| 06:56.58 | Firefishe | in short, my swap partition somehow got on the same extended partition as the secondary ntfs partition...weird. |
| 06:57.49 | Firefishe | I did use a vista tool to shrink the 2nd windows partition to make room for debian. |
| 06:58.01 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, roger |
| 06:58.11 | Firefishe | that's weird |
| 06:58.41 | Firefishe | but I guess it makes sense. Doesn't seem to be doing anything, but technically, is my swap on an extended ntfs partition? |
| 06:59.02 | onetinsoldier | hehe... might be your primary partition(s) and when you made these partitions |
| 06:59.12 | onetinsoldier | might have something to do with it |
| 06:59.25 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok, you ready for the kernel patches? |
| 06:59.39 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Ah yes...messy things arrrren't they? |
| 06:59.42 | Firefishe | yes, I am |
| 07:00.05 | onetinsoldier | ok... they are on the kernel.org front page |
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| 07:01.00 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: going there now |
| 07:01.06 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, the kernel has been updated on the front page three times sine i woke up today.. you are going to have a newer kernel version than me |
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| 07:01.33 | Firefishe | I hope that's not "dangerous" ;) |
| 07:01.33 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, due to that.. there is only one patch for you to download |
| 07:01.38 | onetinsoldier | nah |
| 07:02.06 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: let me guess: 2.6.27.7? |
| 07:02.34 | onetinsoldier | i'm guessing that what's happening is they are working hard on getting the final bugs out for the final release of 2.6.28.. so that's a good thing |
| 07:03.10 | Firefishe | so if I have this kernel, I can patch it up to .28 when it goes stable? |
| 07:03.12 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, no.. you need this patch 2.6.28-rc7 |
| 07:03.20 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yes |
| 07:03.23 | Firefishe | k |
| 07:03.24 | onetinsoldier | you can |
| 07:03.30 | Firefishe | let me get it |
| 07:03.33 | onetinsoldier | k |
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| 07:04.16 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: d/l now |
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| 07:04.28 | onetinsoldier | ok.. it's probably pretty small |
| 07:05.16 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Would, generally speaking, a 768Kdown/256Kup connection level out at about 76K? |
| 07:05.26 | Firefishe | actual speed? |
| 07:05.55 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: got it |
| 07:06.14 | Firefishe | cli up and ready |
| 07:06.16 | onetinsoldier | i dunno.. i'm certainly no networking guru... i would think a little less, but close to it, yes |
| 07:06.33 | Firefishe | this thing jumps around like mad |
| 07:06.40 | Firefishe | nice to have the 'net back though |
| 07:06.48 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, use the 'iptraf' util to check you speed |
| 07:06.50 | Firefishe | I'd been without it for a very long time |
| 07:06.55 | Firefishe | k |
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| 07:07.02 | onetinsoldier | amongst other things. i don't leave home without iptraf |
| 07:07.37 | awk | hi, hmm, in debian 3 I had the option in the package imapd to change /etc/courier/imapd and change AUTHMODULES=.... and change that to authvchkpw, any ideas how to ? |
| 07:07.39 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok.. unpack the kernel-2.6.27 source |
| 07:07.49 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: One thing I need to do is test this machine/linux against a high speed connection (ethernet) at a school or something. |
| 07:07.56 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: k..one sec. |
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| 07:08.57 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: done |
| 07:09.06 | shivraj | is lenny frozen ? |
| 07:09.09 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 07:09.18 | onetinsoldier | it is |
| 07:09.21 | shivraj | oh ok |
| 07:09.21 | Firefishe | hold on |
| 07:09.31 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok, np |
| 07:09.31 | Firefishe | wrong unpack.... |
| 07:09.34 | onetinsoldier | haha |
| 07:09.35 | Firefishe | did the old one |
| 07:09.38 | onetinsoldier | i know how that is |
| 07:09.44 | Firefishe | Farce of hobbit |
| 07:09.48 | Firefishe | *duck* |
| 07:11.28 | shivraj | I guess they fixed all the bugs cuz I dont get any updates anymore |
| 07:11.30 | onetinsoldier | brb |
| 07:11.46 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: do I have to chmod a+x that file? |
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| 07:12.48 | Firefishe | never mind |
| 07:12.56 | Firefishe | I d/l the tar.gz file |
| 07:12.57 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 07:12.59 | Firefishe | no matter |
| 07:13.36 | Firefishe | linux-2.6.27.tar.gz is the file I d/l |
| 07:14.04 | onetinsoldier | i see.. it'll work fine of course |
| 07:14.15 | Firefishe | the patch is .bz2 ;) hee |
| 07:14.26 | Firefishe | okay, it's untarred |
| 07:14.45 | Firefishe | uses Simple Green to get the tar off |
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| 07:15.39 | onetinsoldier | hehe. ok, is the patch is one dir level above the kernel dir? |
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| 07:16.20 | Firefishe | the patch is currently in my home directorya |
| 07:16.20 | Firefishe | directory |
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| 07:16.24 | onetinsoldier | and so is the kernel dir? |
| 07:16.32 | Firefishe | yes |
| 07:17.07 | onetinsoldier | ok.. mv -v linux-2.6.27 linux-2.6.28-rc7 |
| 07:17.29 | Firefishe | k... |
| 07:17.43 | onetinsoldier | bzip2 -d patch_file_name |
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| 07:18.05 | xoz_ | !enter |
| 07:18.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 07:19.10 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, cd linux-2.6.28-rc7 && patch -p1 < ../patch_file_name |
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| 07:20.07 | aldin | does sid have security repo?, cause when i switched to sid in sources.list, i got this 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80] |
| 07:20.07 | aldin | Err http://security.debian.org sid/updates/contrib Packages |
| 07:20.20 | Firefishe | just leave the file as the .bz2, don't bunzip it? |
| 07:20.23 | stew | aldin: no, sid doesn't have a security repo |
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| 07:20.40 | onetinsoldier | no.. decompress it first with bzip2 -d patch_file_name |
| 07:20.42 | aldin | stew, so it is enough to comment those lines= |
| 07:21.00 | aldin | deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:21.07 | stew | aldin: what are you trying to do? |
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| 07:21.41 | aldin | stew to migrate from testing to sid |
| 07:21.47 | stew | aldin: why? |
| 07:22.00 | aldin | i want newer GNOME |
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| 07:22.08 | stew | aldin: testing and sid have the same gnome |
| 07:22.09 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: If I'm already in the directory, can I just use patch by itself? |
| 07:22.18 | aldin | stew: really? oh.... |
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| 07:22.28 | aldin | than what is newer in sid? |
| 07:22.52 | stew | judd: versions gnome |
| 07:22.52 | judd | stew: gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 |
| 07:22.59 | stew | aldin: some packages |
| 07:23.09 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: the `patch -p1 < ../patch_file_name' part? |
| 07:23.15 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, not sure i understand the question. if you are want to patch without decompressing it first then it's a different command(pipes) to patch the kernel |
| 07:23.28 | Firefishe | no, I decompressed it |
| 07:23.45 | Firefishe | then I did: cd' |
| 07:23.45 | aldin | stew: aha, ok, thanks, on time i could get dist upgrade :) without wished effect :) |
| 07:23.51 | Firefishe | blast I can't type tonight |
| 07:24.10 | Firefishe | Then I cd'd into the kernel directory |
| 07:24.12 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok. now go into the linux source dir and patch -p1 < ../patch_file |
| 07:24.16 | stew | aldin: you don't want sid, stick with testing |
| 07:24.17 | Firefishe | k |
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| 07:25.00 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: done |
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| 07:25.04 | onetinsoldier | ok! |
| 07:25.09 | Firefishe | quick, too |
| 07:25.23 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, now you do the make menuconfig or xconfig |
| 07:25.41 | Firefishe | okay...after I select what I want (may take days ;) hee) |
| 07:25.53 | Firefishe | What are the commands I do after that? |
| 07:25.58 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, when you are done the following is what you will want to do |
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| 07:26.36 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: you may pm me if you want |
| 07:26.45 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you will want to make a backup copy of your .config file like so... cp -v .config ../config-2.6.28-rc7 |
| 07:27.10 | Firefishe | go on |
| 07:27.14 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, oh.. wait. i am forgetting an important step |
| 07:27.29 | abelcm | ._. |
| 07:27.35 | aldin | is there some tutorila for lenny + nvidia + compiz |
| 07:27.41 | abelcm | the sid installer can't find my ethernet card |
| 07:28.02 | onetinsoldier | but there you know about the back up now. right now you want to get a config file. cp -v /boot/config-2.6.26-blah |
| 07:28.02 | stew | abelcm: sid installer? do you mean testing installer? |
| 07:28.07 | abelcm | erm |
| 07:28.07 | aldin | oops, VGA is intel |
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| 07:28.14 | abelcm | probably |
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| 07:28.29 | stew | abelcm: where did you download the installer from? |
| 07:28.35 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, sorry... cp -v /boot/config-2.6.26-blah .config |
| 07:28.36 | abelcm | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
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| 07:29.31 | stew | abelcm: which kernel is the installer using? |
| 07:29.32 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, then start up the make xconfig |
| 07:29.39 | Gigantic | Where do you set blowfish as default in shadow? |
| 07:30.06 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: so copying my config file from my running kernel in /boot is the first thing I want to do? |
| 07:30.11 | awk | hrm, packages like clamav, are outdated on debian? should i use source? |
| 07:30.17 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yes |
| 07:30.20 | abelcm | stew: I have no idea how to tell |
| 07:30.25 | stew | abelcm: uname -r |
| 07:30.25 | karsten | awk: freshclam |
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| 07:30.33 | stew | awk: /msg dpkg volatile |
| 07:30.38 | awk | karsten: that updates the definitaions, not the package |
| 07:30.44 | abelcm | I'm not in the installer at the moment |
| 07:30.47 | karsten | awk: ... then what stew said. |
| 07:30.57 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: What about this command you gave me: cp -v .config ../config-2.6.28-rc7 |
| 07:31.07 | stew | abelcm: which ethernet card do you have? |
| 07:31.14 | awk | thanks guys |
| 07:31.30 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, forget that one.. it was incomplete. getting late here for me. i'm getting tired |
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| 07:31.56 | Firefishe | k |
| 07:32.14 | omry | what can cause serious time drift on a debian machine besides hardware clock problems? ntp is not installed. I get a drift of several hours/day |
| 07:32.17 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i am sorry.. but, i shold start over.. ok? |
| 07:32.19 | Gigantic | :P |
| 07:32.23 | abelcm | stew: the one on the Asus P5B motherboard |
| 07:32.35 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I have the cp command and make xconfig |
| 07:32.37 | abelcm | although I think you might be looking for something more useful than that |
| 07:32.41 | karsten | omry: Usually running under VMWare, or a dead CMOS battery |
| 07:32.46 | Gigantic | I did http://digitalconsumption.com/forum/615-Blowfish-shadow-files-on-Debian But I'm afraid it failed and don t want to be locked down |
| 07:32.46 | awk | ooo volatile repo is slooooow.. 668kb /sec :( |
| 07:32.50 | Firefishe | the directory is patched |
| 07:32.53 | stew | abelcm: lspci would tell you |
| 07:33.08 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I'm pasting this in gedit as we go along |
| 07:33.12 | karsten | omry: Running, though, the kernel should be tracking time w/ swclock, unless there's some *really* bad CPU clock drift. |
| 07:33.23 | Gigantic | I see shadow still hashed $1$ |
| 07:33.30 | abelcm | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 07:33.34 | omry | karsten, it's a real machine, and I already moved the harddrive to a different identical box to eliminate cmos battery problem/hardware problem |
| 07:33.58 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, 1) cp a config over from /boot cp -v /boot/config-2.6.26-blah .config 2) make xconfig 3) exit and save changes 4) make a backup of the .config file cp -v .config ../config-2.6.28-rc7 |
| 07:34.10 | karsten | omry: Is the drift continual or sporadic? |
| 07:34.45 | karsten | omry: I'd install ntpdate or one of the more-aimed-at-mobile time packages. |
| 07:35.01 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, documenting it is a very good idea |
| 07:35.06 | karsten | omry: If your drift is too great, ntpdate / ntpd *WONT* correct it. |
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| 07:35.18 | omry | looks continual. I got 3 machines with similar hardware (same cpu and mobo), 2 running 2.6.18 32bit, and the third one runs 64bit. the 64bit one drifts |
| 07:35.29 | sebbs | is there a commandline calendar with ical support around? |
| 07:35.48 | Gigantic | so... do I have to worry about being locked down if I relog? o.O |
| 07:35.51 | sebbs | (which will allow me to add and modify stuff) |
| 07:35.59 | awk | hrm, how do i search for a contense inside a file, eg: clamd the binary, what would i search for.. apt-cache search clamd, doesnt work? |
| 07:36.04 | omry | karsten, kernels are all debian stock 2.6.18. I noticed that the 32bit machines have CONFIG_GENERIC_TIME=y and the 64bit one does not. |
| 07:36.05 | awk | something like whatprovides? |
| 07:36.18 | karsten | omry: Sorry, NFC. |
| 07:36.22 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: got it |
| 07:36.28 | stew | awk: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 07:36.34 | omry | karsten, thanks. |
| 07:36.38 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, when you all done with that, then you use make-kpg, with the following commands(although the modules_image target is not needed, only the linux_image one)... |
| 07:36.44 | abelcm | stew: I doubt it's an issue with kernel version, this computer is 2 years old and I've never had this problem before |
| 07:36.49 | onetinsoldier | !dpkg kp mantra |
| 07:36.50 | dpkg | [kp mantra] make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 07:37.07 | stew | abelcm: i'll bet its an issue with the kernel version |
| 07:37.11 | karsten | sebbs: there's the old "calendar" program. I think there's a kdecalendar type commandline that interacts with KDE's Kalendar program. |
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| 07:38.03 | stew | abelcm: have you tried the etch installer or the lenny installer? |
| 07:38.04 | karsten | sebbs: "calendar" isn't ical-compliant, but it does allow a way to specify and get events occuring on a one-time or scheduled basis. |
| 07:38.04 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, this is make-kpkg command #1 make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" |
| 07:38.19 | awk | stew how long you been using debian/ |
| 07:38.35 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, this is command #2 make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --initrd kernel_image |
| 07:38.38 | abelcm | stew: I was hoping to install from my usb drive |
| 07:38.40 | stew | awk: uhh? 7 years? |
| 07:38.49 | awk | stew, hrm, ok |
| 07:38.49 | sebbs | karsten: weird that nobody never made one |
| 07:38.56 | stew | abelcm: you can do that with either: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 07:38.57 | sebbs | karsten: perhaps i will create one :D |
| 07:39.05 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: oh, it's not done all on one line? |
| 07:39.13 | abelcm | I installed testing a couple of months ago on this computer with the same usb drive |
| 07:39.27 | Corwin | Are there any cups experts around? Did Apple just trash it??? |
| 07:39.28 | onetinsoldier | i wouldn't do it all on one line |
| 07:40.37 | sebbs | evolution calendar sucks, it gives me no overview at all |
| 07:40.37 | karsten | sebbs: Check, possibly on freshmeat. I'd be surprised if there wasn't one. |
| 07:40.37 | abelcm | stew: the first link that dpkg tells me to is the one I followed |
| 07:40.37 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: in your first command quote, I assume I eliminate the final quote? |
| 07:40.37 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, no..not all on one line... the ; is just to show they are are separate |
| 07:40.37 | stew | abelcm: so if the testing installer works, why not use it? |
| 07:40.39 | Firefishe | nm |
| 07:40.43 | Firefishe | the quote is part of the command |
| 07:40.48 | sebbs | perhaps coding my own python+CLI calendar would be a good idea otherwise |
| 07:41.16 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, no, the whole line including the final quote |
| 07:41.21 | abelcm | I'm a bit confused about the differences between testing and unstable |
| 07:41.34 | abelcm | if I want ustable am I supposed to just install testing first and then..? |
| 07:41.48 | stew | abelcm: if you are confused about the differences, then you want testing not unstable |
| 07:41.52 | Corwin | abelcm: unstable is newer than testing, and expirmental is newer yet |
| 07:42.04 | ptman | sebbs: remind (and wyrd) have scripts ical import and export scripts written for them |
| 07:42.10 | stew | experimental is something different |
| 07:42.39 | sebbs | ptman: ptman i will look into it |
| 07:42.48 | stew | and for the base system (the stuff on the netinstall) testing and unstable should not be very different now that we are in a freeze |
| 07:42.53 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: k |
| 07:42.57 | abelcm | stew: I'm fairly confident I want unstable |
| 07:43.09 | stew | abelcm: why do you want unstable instead of testing? |
| 07:43.10 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, that is the debian way to do it. it can be installed manually too, but that way will give you easy to install .deb packages |
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| 07:43.18 | sebbs | i came to the conclusion that these email+calendars arent what i really need. i just want something i can use in a consol+sync to my phone |
| 07:43.21 | stew | abelcm: especially since you don't know what the difference is |
| 07:43.22 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: that's it? |
| 07:43.25 | karsten | abelcm: If you have to ask, you probably *don't* |
| 07:43.31 | sebbs | hence the ics support |
| 07:43.39 | karsten | abelcm: I'd suggest stable, or testing. |
| 07:43.52 | abelcm | well I do know the differences, but not the differences in installation |
| 07:43.59 | abelcm | since I've never used unstable before |
| 07:44.01 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, let me think to try and make sure i haven't forgotten something. |
| 07:44.13 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: make mrproper? |
| 07:44.30 | Corwin | If you're the type of person that still likes Windows 98, Debian Stable is for you! |
| 07:44.32 | stew | abelcm: why do you want to specifically use a sid installer? |
| 07:44.38 | karsten | abelcm: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 07:44.46 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i was just thinking about that! it's not needed unless you have to start over. but i was going to tell you about it |
| 07:45.07 | sebbs | ptman: dude :D wyrk was perfect |
| 07:45.11 | sebbs | thanks |
| 07:45.11 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: top-level directory of install source. sudo make mrproper ? |
| 07:45.21 | Firefishe | kernel source rather |
| 07:45.33 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, with newly unpacked source make mrproper should not be needed. |
| 07:45.45 | Firefishe | but if I botch it? |
| 07:45.58 | ptman | sebbs: glad you like it. I have yet to figure out how to sync it with google calendar, though |
| 07:46.09 | Firefishe | ....doh....re do it from scratch including patch |
| 07:46.16 | sebbs | ptman: if you can get it to output to ics its easy |
| 07:46.17 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, but it never hurts, do it if you just want to be sure |
| 07:46.33 | sebbs | just msynctool |
| 07:46.37 | sebbs | +opensync |
| 07:46.46 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: If I do `sudo make mrproper' do I have to re-patch? or no? |
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| 07:46.57 | sebbs | libopensync-plugin-file + the gmail one |
| 07:47.02 | sebbs | google calendar i mean |
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| 07:47.37 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yes.. if you need to start over.. then 1) make mrproper 2) cp -v ../config-2.6.28-rc7 .config 3) then do the two make-kpkg commands |
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| 07:48.04 | Firefishe | but re-patching is not necessary? |
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| 07:48.33 | sebbs | ptman: is this hookable to mutt? |
| 07:48.39 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, no.. if you try to re-patch.. you will get messages from the patch command |
| 07:49.11 | Firefishe | so once patched, the make mrproper command is all I'd have to do in case of a botch-compile then |
| 07:49.30 | ptman | sebbs: probably anything can be hooked to mutt with enough scripting |
| 07:49.45 | ptman | sebbs: I'm not using it with mutt, so I wouldn't know |
| 07:49.51 | sebbs | ptman: yes but i mean is there anything already done |
| 07:49.53 | sebbs | ok cool |
| 07:50.02 | sebbs | thanks anyway, gonna go tinker with this now |
| 07:50.03 | sebbs | :) |
| 07:50.13 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, read the patch man page.. it might even stick some code changes in there you don't want before you get a message from it |
| 07:50.38 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I follow you. I have it written down in a text file in gedit. |
| 07:50.55 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok, very good |
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| 07:51.40 | Firefishe | So that's it, eh? |
| 07:52.05 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, "so once patched, the make mrproper command is all I'd have to do in case of a botch-compile then" - the answer to that is yes |
| 07:52.13 | Firefishe | Do I have to do an `update-grub' command, or is it automagically done for me via kpkg? |
| 07:52.27 | onetinsoldier | it's done automagically |
| 07:52.37 | stew | Firefishe: its done when you install the resulting .deb |
| 07:52.37 | Firefishe | kewl...this shouldn't be too hard. |
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| 07:52.42 | onetinsoldier | when you install the .deb |
| 07:52.57 | Firefishe | stew: Where is the .deb stored? |
| 07:53.08 | stew | Firefishe: in /usr/src |
| 07:53.19 | Firefishe | oh, so that's where it went |
| 07:53.19 | onetinsoldier | it's done automagically when you install the .deb with the dpkg -i linux-image.deb command |
| 07:53.19 | Firefishe | LOL |
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| 07:53.34 | Piper69 | something is causing my HDD to keep running, how can i check which process it that please |
| 07:53.42 | stew | Firefishe: well, in "..", i'm assuming you are compiling in /usr/src/something |
| 07:53.42 | Firefishe | big long name.deb file in /usr/src? |
| 07:53.47 | newfeats | Piper69: fuse... |
| 07:54.02 | Firefishe | stew: I don't do kernel work in /usr/src. Rather, I use my own home directory |
| 07:54.18 | Piper69 | newfeats: fuse command not found |
| 07:54.27 | onetinsoldier | stew, does it do that even if you are compiling it in your ~/ dir? |
| 07:54.36 | Firefishe | stew: I run everything via sudo anyway, or root. |
| 07:54.36 | stew | onetinsoldier: which? |
| 07:54.39 | onetinsoldier | stew, that's where he's doing it from |
| 07:54.44 | stew | Firefishe: you should not be compiling as root |
| 07:54.45 | onetinsoldier | $HOME dir |
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| 07:54.50 | newfeats | Piper69: i'm not sure which package contains it. |
| 07:55.07 | Firefishe | stew...why not? I have to run make-kpkg as root, anyway, don't I? |
| 07:55.24 | Firefishe | I usually use sudo |
| 07:55.36 | stew | Firefishe: no, you can run it with fakeroot. you shouldn't do it as root since you shouldn't do things as root that you don't need to |
| 07:55.55 | Firefishe | hold on |
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| 07:56.31 | stew | Piper69: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 07:57.10 | stew | Piper69: if you are not swapping, you can "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" and then disk access would be logged to syslog, but this is a performance killer, so make sure to turn it back off (with echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump) after you are done debugging |
| 07:57.32 | sebbs | ptman: i cannot find anything about wyrd+ics |
| 07:58.04 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, the kp mantra lines have to the syntax to do it with fakeroot i believe |
| 07:58.11 | onetinsoldier | !kp mantra |
| 07:58.12 | dpkg | well, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 07:58.32 | Piper69 | stew: well i am not swapping |
| 07:58.48 | stew | Piper69: you checked with vmstat? |
| 07:59.06 | Piper69 | stew: vmstat 3 |
| 07:59.14 | sebbs | ptman: ok i found rem2ical and ical2rem i guess that will do fine |
| 07:59.23 | sebbs | this is gonna be a fun project |
| 07:59.38 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I corrected my gedit file |
| 07:59.50 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok. roger |
| 08:00.06 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i just installed fakeroot |
| 08:01.01 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I already have it. My main concern is, when I am compiling the kernel, that the kernel will call a compiler command and won't be able to access it because it's not using root privileges (save for fakeroot, of course)( |
| 08:01.13 | Firefishe | I've run into that before. |
| 08:01.21 | stew | Firefishe: you don't need to be root to compile a file |
| 08:01.37 | Firefishe | stew: Well, if it happens, I just sudo..no matter. |
| 08:01.45 | stew | Firefishe: you shouldn't |
| 08:02.31 | Firefishe | stew: Reason? This is my personal laptop, and I can always unplug it if I have a security matter. Will compiling the kernel as the super user via sudo mess up the kernel permissions, or open them up to exploits? |
| 08:03.08 | stew | Firefishe: if there is a bug in the makefile, it could do damage |
| 08:03.25 | sebbs | ptman: FYI http://wiki.43folders.com/index.php/Rem2ics <-- "Among other uses, this script could be used to display your reminders via Google Calendar." |
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| 08:04.07 | Firefishe | stew: Well, I've never had a kernel.org image mess up my partitions or anything. |
| 08:04.23 | stew | Firefishe: ok |
| 08:04.27 | Firefishe | and that's since Mandrake 5.x ;) |
| 08:04.35 | Firefishe | stew: but I'll caveat |
| 08:04.49 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you forgot the last word.... yet |
| 08:04.54 | Firefishe | k |
| 08:04.57 | Firefishe | thanks? ;) |
| 08:05.04 | Firefishe | depmod? |
| 08:05.18 | onetinsoldier | hehe.. and how about the old saying.. famous last words |
| 08:05.19 | Firefishe | sudo apt-get install frankenkernel.deb ? |
| 08:05.32 | Firefishe | *bonk* |
| 08:05.37 | Firefishe | dpkg -i |
| 08:05.38 | dpkg | i don't know, Firefishe |
| 08:05.54 | Firefishe | clever bot |
| 08:06.07 | stew | imagine when you someday come across a makefile that has "clean: rm -rf $(BUILD)/lib" and for some reason BUILD was never set, and is therefore empty |
| 08:06.38 | Firefishe | I see...it'll default and erase my /lib directory |
| 08:06.44 | Firefishe | if I were to run it as root |
| 08:06.51 | Gigantic | any reason to set GSSAPIAuthentication yes ? |
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| 08:06.58 | Gigantic | a good one |
| 08:07.09 | Firefishe | stew: Is my surmise correct? |
| 08:07.17 | stew | Firefishe: yes |
| 08:07.48 | Firefishe | stew: A very good rule of <ring finger of the left hand> then. ;) |
| 08:07.56 | abelcm | stew: same problem with ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 08:08.25 | Firefishe | stew: That's where my wedding band is, and that which represents my wife...I wouldn't want to delete her, so I won't delete my /lib directory ;) |
| 08:08.26 | abelcm | uname -r tells me 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 08:08.53 | stew | abelcm: which driver are you trying to use for your ethernet card? |
| 08:09.18 | abelcm | I wasn't given a choice |
| 08:09.25 | stew | abelcm: try loading it by hand |
| 08:09.44 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: If I want to compile a 64bit kernel, I just set it up that way, correct? |
| 08:09.54 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yes. |
| 08:10.10 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I don't now. I want a separate drive for that. |
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| 08:10.25 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i understand |
| 08:10.42 | Firefishe | I just want to get my wireless working, and perhaps my ethernet not so latent on the name server issue...that's weird tom e. |
| 08:10.44 | Firefishe | to me |
| 08:11.11 | Firefishe | OSS will have to do until alsa picks up the pace with the snd-intel-hda module work |
| 08:11.13 | Piper69 | stew:its running as if like a virus scan is running |
| 08:11.18 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, about bedtime for me here. i'll be here for just a bit longer tho |
| 08:11.24 | Firefishe | k |
| 08:11.25 | Gigantic | Do I ask weird stuff? |
| 08:11.25 | stew | Piper69: is updatedb from cron.daily running? |
| 08:11.30 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Well, is that it? |
| 08:11.33 | stew | Piper69: (or other stuff from cron.daily?) |
| 08:11.46 | stew | abelcm: i'd recommend unloading and reloading the kernel module for your ethernet card and checking dmesg for errors |
| 08:11.51 | Piper69 | stew: i don't know. how do i check |
| 08:12.03 | stew | Piper69: what time is it? |
| 08:12.15 | Piper69 | stew:12:12 |
| 08:12.24 | abelcm | stew: ok, I'll give that a go |
| 08:12.31 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, well... yes. when going through the kernel options, you will mostly want to look for stuff that says (NEW) on the far right side |
| 08:13.02 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, and see if there's newer drivers for your network card! |
| 08:13.02 | stew | abelcm: i'd guess that your ethernet card needs firmware, or the driver no longer supports your card (and that an older kernel might work) |
| 08:13.05 | Firefishe | yeah, it's doing the `make oldconfig' as part of the script |
| 08:13.20 | stew | Piper69: did you try the block_dump thing? or have you checked top? |
| 08:13.40 | Piper69 | stew: no |
| 08:13.48 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you'll want to see if there's newer drivers for your network card! |
| 08:14.44 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, since you seem to be having problems with that. it was your network card driver you've been having some issues with, correct? |
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| 08:15.07 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I've been through that a couple of days ago...I follow. I've also been going down through the selection options in make xconfig just by itself, and I know where the options are I need. |
| 08:15.20 | Piper69 | stew: top return kjournald , is that somethig related to keyboard error? |
| 08:15.23 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok, sounds good |
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| 08:15.28 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: yes, my ethernet controller chip and my wi-fi card (PCIe) are the issues. |
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| 08:15.31 | Firefishe | sound is okay for now |
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| 08:16.07 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Actually, I'd really like to get a PCIe card that also had bluetooth on it. Any such animals? |
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| 08:16.36 | stew | Piper69: no, that's not really helpful |
| 08:16.40 | stew | Piper69: try the block_dump thing |
| 08:17.30 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i have no idea. i usually think of bluetooth as being very short distance wireless. and i really have no experience with wireless at all. |
| 08:17.41 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: One last quessie: If I want to d/l the netinstall cdrom .iso for 64 bit lenny, what is the name? |
| 08:18.05 | onetinsoldier | !d-i |
| 08:18.06 | dpkg | 4.0r5 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 08:18.08 | Piper69 | stew: ok, i did echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump what now? |
| 08:18.18 | stew | Piper69: tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 08:18.18 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 08:19.03 | Firefishe | k |
| 08:19.16 | szonek | hi, anyone here using RT61 Wi-Fi card? |
| 08:19.30 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you will want to get the.. daily built image netinstall cdrom |
| 08:19.33 | Firefishe | I have an intel T5750 cpu...is the amd64 iso the one I want, however? |
| 08:20.04 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Due to bandwidth limitations, the netinstall will have to do |
| 08:20.26 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok, a 160MB cdrom ok? |
| 08:20.35 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: no, a netinstall mini |
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| 08:20.42 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, hmmm |
| 08:20.53 | Piper69 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22687/ |
| 08:20.59 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you could try the USB stick method |
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| 08:21.16 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I'd rather just download an .iso and burn it to cdrom |
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| 08:21.47 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: isn't there a daily-built 20-40mb bizcard .iso? |
| 08:21.57 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, then the 160MB netinstall cdrom... :-P |
| 08:22.29 | Firefishe | thinks onetinsoldier thinks he has a T3 in his back yard ;) |
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| 08:22.32 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, perhaps... that's different than usbstick? |
| 08:22.46 | DaRtH_VaDeR | hi, i have a problem =/ i have been trying to connect my motorola v3r but moto4lin doesnt work :S i dont know why it just staws switching to p2k :S |
| 08:22.51 | onetinsoldier | wonders if stew knows |
| 08:23.21 | Firefishe | usb drives have special needs...and are a veritable pain in the arse. I have a slackware based usb drive that boots. I tried ubuntu for usb stick and could never get it to boot right. |
| 08:23.50 | omry | karsten, think I got it. the problematic machine had only jiffies as a clock source in /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource |
| 08:24.04 | omry | the other machines had other clock sources as well |
| 08:24.11 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, not usb drive... usb memory stick |
| 08:24.23 | omry | smells like a problem with the 2.6.18 amd64 kernel built by debian. |
| 08:24.39 | Firefishe | yes, I understand |
| 08:24.58 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: As long as it's an .iso I can burn to cdrom, I'll be happy. ;) |
| 08:25.01 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, "I have an intel T5750 cpu...is the amd64 iso the one I want?" yes |
| 08:26.02 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you will save a lot of hassle if you are able to get the 160MB cdrom netinst d-i. |
| 08:26.08 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I have two debian kernel image .debs on my 'puter. I tried to load the one, but it's specifically for amd64 architecture. I was politely told not to worry about naming conventions. |
| 08:26.23 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I used the biz-card install for this box ;) No probs. |
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| 08:26.50 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, get whatever works for you.. if biz card is better then just do it |
| 08:27.06 | Firefishe | had the newer r8169 driver for my ethernet controller...couldn't use etch 4r3, and I have 3 dvd's for that. Too old for my hardware, though. |
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| 08:27.26 | Firefishe | 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 08:28.31 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I"d like to have 64bit user space...if it's worth it. And *that* is probably relative, but I've had some advice given me and I'm content to stick with a normal kernel for now, until I get another drive. |
| 08:28.32 | onetinsoldier | oh.. yeah. pretty old i reckon. 2.6.x has been around a long while i think! much longer than 2.2.x kernels, and perhaps longer than the 2.4.x series |
| 08:28.50 | Firefishe | longer than 2.4?? |
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| 08:29.01 | iShock | What does kernel panic: write-only-memory (/dev/wom0) capacity exceeded. mean? |
| 08:29.11 | stew | becuase the no longer use 2.X where X is odd for new development, so there is little reason to start a 2.7 |
| 08:29.11 | onetinsoldier | 2.4.x i should have said |
| 08:29.24 | Firefishe | I thought 2.2 and 2.4 preceded 2.6 |
| 08:29.25 | stew | (/msg dpkg kernel of instability) |
| 08:30.00 | iShock | What does kernel panic: write-only-memory (/dev/wom0) capacity exceeded. mean? |
| 08:30.20 | Firefishe | heya iShock :) |
| 08:30.26 | Piper69 | stew: thank you for all your help , i figure out what was causing it, it is mythtvbackend, it is trying to connect to the localhost using a default [Yes] to ping the localhost, and not able to connect, so it keep looping. i used top and got the pid for mythtvbackend and i kill -9 pid and everything is normal now |
| 08:30.33 | iShock | Hey Firefishe, fix me~! |
| 08:30.48 | Firefishe | What's up? |
| 08:30.58 | iShock | kernel panic: write-only-memory (/dev/wom0) capacity exceeded. < |
| 08:31.25 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: 2.4.x was a very stable number....can it be used on newer hardware like this, though? Also, does it support ext3? |
| 08:31.36 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, yes.. i am saying something like 2.2.x kernel were developed for like 18 months... 2.4.x series for 24 months, now, how long is 2.6.x going to be around from start to finish? btw.. those were just numbers i threw out there.. i forget how long they were actually in development. and i could be wrong.. perhaps every series has been around for about the same amount of time |
| 08:32.17 | onetinsoldier | it just 'seems to me' from my old timers memory |
| 08:32.19 | Firefishe | iShock: custom built kernel? |
| 08:32.40 | Firefishe | I'm not familiar with that error message, or /dev listing, I'm afraid. |
| 08:32.52 | stew | onetinsoldier: 2.2.x wasn't developed it was bugfixed after the 2.1 kernel became 2.2 and 2.1 was frozen, then new development was started in 2.3 while 2.2 remained stable |
| 08:33.06 | iShock | Dude, booooooooo! Terorists crashed an airplane into the server room, have to remove /bin/laden. (rm -rf /bin/laden) |
| 08:33.25 | stew | onetinsoldier: but that is no longer how it works, now the new development is happening in 2.6 instead of 2.7 |
| 08:33.29 | stew | iShock: wrong channel |
| 08:33.45 | Firefishe | #debian-offtopic, perhap |
| 08:33.52 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, no, 2.4.x doesn't support newer hardware that i know of. it did have ext3 though.. at least the later ones iirc. i cannot remember what kernel version ext2 started coming in |
| 08:34.23 | Firefishe | Well, to me it was always ext2 in the early days...say around the Mandrake 5.x releases |
| 08:34.47 | Firefishe | Up through the 7.x series. Mandrake was king for me in those days ;) |
| 08:35.03 | onetinsoldier | stew, roger that. i think you misunderstood wjhat i was/am trying to say though. i know what the odd number means |
| 08:35.44 | Firefishe | Well, folks, thanks for all the help you've given me tonight. It's been very helpful and I can go on to do what I need to do now. |
| 08:35.49 | stew | the odd number means nothing |
| 08:35.50 | Firefishe | I need to head to bed. |
| 08:36.15 | Firefishe | G'night all...night onetinsoldier, stew, iShock. |
| 08:36.19 | Firefishe | Be well all. |
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| 08:37.43 | onetinsoldier | stew, it just seems to me that the 2.2.x kernels were around for like 18 months(random figure from my head kind of), whereas the 2.6.x kernels have already been around much longer than that. you know, the kernels for us regular users. i was just making conversation. |
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| 08:39.26 | onetinsoldier | stew, well 2.7 does mean a development series... 2.6 means stable for us regular guys... right? |
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| 08:39.32 | stew | onetinsoldier: wrong |
| 08:39.37 | onetinsoldier | oh! |
| 08:39.45 | stew | onetinsoldier: 2.6 is a development series |
| 08:39.48 | Homere | Can I ask a Lenny to Santa ? :D |
| 08:39.50 | onetinsoldier | hmmm |
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| 08:44.37 | onetinsoldier | stew, is the following no longer true?? http://tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/kernel.html#linux-versioning |
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| 08:44.54 | onetinsoldier | The current stable series is 2.4.x, and the current development series is 2.5.x. |
| 08:45.26 | onetinsoldier | perhaps i'm just losing it... |
| 08:45.28 | szonek | http://paste.debian.net/22692/ |
| 08:45.40 | szonek | why i can't connect to my wi-fi router? |
| 08:45.45 | szonek | key is correct |
| 08:45.53 | szonek | mac addr is added to the router |
| 08:46.13 | stew | onetinsoldier: it is no longer true |
| 08:46.15 | szonek | i have Edimax 7128g wi-fi pci card |
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| 08:46.28 | stew | onetinsoldier: there is no 2.7 version, and new development is obviously happning since 2.5.99 |
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| 08:46.30 | szonek | 2.6.24 kernel version |
| 08:46.33 | onetinsoldier | stew, ok... roger that |
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| 08:47.51 | iShock | For tunnelbroker IPv6 setup, linux-net-tools or linux-route2 setup? Debian etch |
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| 08:51.54 | onetinsoldier | time for bed. night all! |
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| 08:52.29 | szonek | I have RT61 based pci wi-fi card and i get this: http://paste.debian.net/22692/ why i can't connect to my wi-fi router? key and ssid are correct, mac addr is added to my router |
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| 09:06.23 | clever | can dpkg/apt list off the entire depency list for a given package? |
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| 09:09.35 | vaq | Can I mount a directory on another dir? |
| 09:09.45 | peterm | vaq, yes mount --bind |
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| 09:10.38 | peterm | how is it possible to create a bridge interface without a real interface being bridged? i want a virtual internal interface for my programm to communicate with each other |
| 09:10.38 | stew | clever: apt-cache show packagename ; dpkg -s packagename ; apt-cache depends packagename |
| 09:10.49 | peterm | (not programs virtual machines) |
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| 09:11.24 | clever | stew: apt-cache show wont list everything, just 1 step up the depend tree |
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| 09:11.45 | clever | same for dpkg -s |
| 09:12.09 | clever | depends is the same, but atleast cuts it down a little:) |
| 09:12.23 | stew | clever: perhaps the apt-cache dotty output |
| 09:12.41 | peterm | adding lo to bridge_ports doesn't work :-( |
| 09:13.35 | clever | stew: neat, but now the format is cluttered |
| 09:13.45 | clever | may work this way:) |
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| 09:19.07 | clever | apt-cache dotty azureus|grep shape|cut -f2 -d\" >> essential_packages |
| 09:19.10 | clever | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\t${Status}\n'|grep installed|sort -n|grep -v -f essential_packages|tail -n20 |
| 09:19.21 | clever | stew: with your help i got this pair of 'scripts' working better:) |
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| 09:20.04 | clever | stew: im now able to mask out any 'essential' packages(and everything they depend on) |
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| 09:23.01 | stew | what is your eventual goal? |
| 09:23.38 | clever | stew: to find any 'large' packages and uninstall them |
| 09:23.44 | Gigantic | any other editor apart of emacs and Vi that have good identation and mainly, highlight? |
| 09:23.45 | clever | while skiping over any 'essential' packages |
| 09:24.34 | stew | clever: have you tried debfoster? (it doesn't do things by size necessarily, but it is a good way to trim a lot of unneeded packages quickly) |
| 09:24.51 | clever | stew: that would only find orhpaned lib's |
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| 09:24.58 | stew | clever: no |
| 09:24.59 | clever | it wnt find whole programs like gimp that im no longer using |
| 09:25.16 | clever | it needs extra flags to show more |
| 09:25.47 | clever | and most of the time, it seems the -data package is bigger then the orphan that pulled it in |
| 09:25.47 | stew | not ime |
| 09:28.05 | clever | i need to get arround to trying to boot lenny |
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| 09:30.48 | SparFux | Defoma obviously does NOT handle my ~/.fonts dir automatically. I have to add fonts.dir and fonts.scale manually to have the fonts. |
| 09:32.31 | clever | who wants to place bets on if my lenny will boot? |
| 09:32.46 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.34 | clever | oops, it cant find the ip! |
| 09:34.20 | clever | updating initrd... |
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| 09:35.16 | clever | damn that was easy:P |
| 09:35.19 | clever | and a fast boot |
| 09:36.06 | clever | now i have a question, how do i add a user to the system from a script, and set a password(set the hash technicaly) |
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| 09:36.45 | Knight_Lord | How do I get oprofile to show per-instruction details for all selected symbols without using file offsets |
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| 09:37.11 | Knight_Lord | Is says it will show using offsets for binaries without symbol information. How do I add symbol information? |
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| 09:37.47 | enouf | debug symbols? |
| 09:38.17 | Knight_Lord | Knight_Lord i don't know it doesn't say on the man page |
| 09:38.23 | Knight_Lord | enouf ^ |
| 09:38.29 | clever | my bigest problem with oprofile is that it cant handle debug symbols in a 2nd file |
| 09:38.35 | clever | (debug package files) |
| 09:38.48 | Knight_Lord | It just says Show per-instruction details for all selected symbols. Note that, for binaries without symbol information, the VMA values shown are raw file offsets for the image binary. |
| 09:39.03 | Knight_Lord | clever does this also applies to shared libraries compiled with debug symbols? |
| 09:39.18 | Knight_Lord | clever because i'm trying to profile a shared library actually |
| 09:39.21 | clever | in my exact case, it was the shared qt libs |
| 09:39.29 | clever | with debug symbols in a 2nd file(which gdb could use) |
| 09:39.38 | Knight_Lord | i see |
| 09:39.48 | Knight_Lord | My debug symbols are simply -g |
| 09:39.57 | Knight_Lord | Do I need to use -g3 or something like that? |
| 09:39.58 | clever | i cant see which qt functions are being abused so i cant clean that part up |
| 09:40.22 | Knight_Lord | Oh I see the function name, but i would like to be able to see which lines inside the function |
| 09:40.47 | clever | function name is pretty much standard, you need that symbol for the shared lib to link at runtime |
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| 09:41.19 | Knight_Lord | clever do you know of a way to get line numbers? |
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| 09:41.25 | Knight_Lord | I thought -d would give me that |
| 09:41.34 | Knight_Lord | but it gives me file offsets at the moment i think |
| 09:41.38 | clever | i can bearly get oprofile to work half the time |
| 09:41.50 | joneal | Hi |
| 09:42.58 | flourish | hello, i find there is no openldap in debian resposity. |
| 09:43.37 | Knight_Lord | flourish slapd? |
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| 09:50.20 | peterm | hi |
| 09:50.35 | peterm | somehow debian seems to remember mac addresses of past nics |
| 09:50.44 | peterm | my current nics are named eth5 and eth6 |
| 09:50.50 | peterm | instead of eth0 and eth1 |
| 09:50.56 | peterm | any why to correct htis? |
| 09:51.38 | flourish | Knight_Lord: yes, I just find slapd. I wonder if they are the same? |
| 09:51.52 | CoolCold | peterm: grep eth /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 09:52.00 | peterm | thx coolcold :-) |
| 09:52.35 | CoolCold | i was wondered too when did fs dump from one server to another and found eth2 and eth3 :) |
| 09:52.58 | peterm | rcS.d is the runlevel for shutdown isnt it? |
| 09:53.00 | dustybin | i need to boot into a linux OS on my sisters PC what has only windows installed, is there a such thing as a debian live cd? all i need is a terminal with a base install and the rsync service? |
| 09:53.04 | Knight_Lord | flourish yes |
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| 09:54.09 | dustybin | wow maybe this is the solution: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:54.14 | dustybin | is that official? |
| 09:56.49 | maligor | it's a livecd image of debian, I'm not sure what you mean by 'official' ;) |
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| 09:56.56 | cast|lir | dustybin: its not really released yet AFAIK |
| 09:57.14 | cast|lir | dustybin: grml, is a pretty decent livecd, debian derived |
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| 10:07.35 | SparFux | screenruler is cool :-) |
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| 10:17.52 | enouf | peterm: no, the S is for Startup - /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 10:18.33 | peterm | thx |
| 10:19.39 | enouf | peterm: fwiw - /msg dpkg z25 (to find out how that file has been renamed to 70-persistent-.... in Lenny/Sid) |
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| 10:20.14 | enouf | (well not necessarily how, but that it has been) |
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| 10:34.47 | metrix | At work we have a hundreds of programs located in a /development directory with terrible dependency issues etc. etc. We would like to allow multiple users to modify the code/libraries at the same time without problems but due to how the applications work they cannot run in /home/$user/development. I would like to setup a script to create a chroot jail for a developer in their home... |
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| 10:34.48 | metrix | ...directory but have not found an example similar to this.. would anybody have a good idea to go about this? |
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| 10:35.47 | enouf | there will be useful info at debian-administration.org |
| 10:35.53 | kyrix | metrix: first of all, do you use version control? |
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| 10:36.35 | DeliPenguen | hi |
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| 10:36.36 | kyrix | metrix: and using tests would be a good idea too. |
| 10:36.57 | DeliPenguen | i cannot see any sound devices in sound preferences |
| 10:37.22 | enouf | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:37.27 | metrix | that is what I am trying to get to.. In order to use version control you need to be able to compile your programs in multiple places |
| 10:37.32 | DeliPenguen | and gnome volume control applet says no volu control gstreamer plugins and/or devices found |
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| 10:37.47 | kyrix | did you add your user to sound? |
| 10:37.59 | DeliPenguen | tugrul@debian:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:37.59 | DeliPenguen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.59 | DeliPenguen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.02 | DeliPenguen | hmm |
| 10:38.03 | DeliPenguen | no |
| 10:38.16 | DeliPenguen | how can i do that? |
| 10:38.16 | enouf | er.. don't flood the channel with your pasting crap |
| 10:38.20 | metrix | Kyrix: we just ported this stuff from crufty SCO boxes |
| 10:38.21 | kyrix | audio.... |
| 10:38.34 | DeliPenguen | sry |
| 10:38.40 | kyrix | adduser username audio |
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| 10:38.46 | enouf | and /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 10:39.01 | enouf | if root user works - then the issue is as kyrix suggests |
| 10:39.43 | DeliPenguen | "add yourself to the 'audio' group". how can i do this? adding a user to a group? |
| 10:41.06 | clever | anybody know how to get the distro version on debian? |
| 10:41.06 | clever | from a script |
| 10:41.32 | petemc | !version |
| 10:41.33 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 10:42.26 | clever | the /etc/debian_version looks good |
| 10:42.45 | clever | but i'll have to fall back on that when lsb_release isnt found, since ubuntu seems to claim lenny/sid |
| 10:42.47 | peterm | how can i configure a tap interface via /etc/network/interfaces? i tried auto tap0 \ iface tap0 inet dhcp and /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't complain but tap0 isn't listed in ifconfig -a and if i try to ifup tap0 it says no such device? |
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| 10:44.23 | simonrvn | peterm: don't you need to modprobe the module, too? ;) |
| 10:44.27 | DeliPenguen | it works now |
| 10:44.28 | enouf | are the tun/tap modules loaded? does ls /sys/class/net shows what? |
| 10:44.29 | DeliPenguen | thanks |
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| 10:45.05 | peterm | simonvn, lsmod says tun is loaded and /dev/net/tun is 666 |
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| 10:45.55 | enouf | try tab completion |
| 10:45.55 | peterm | i can add tap device via openvpn --mktun --dev tapn |
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| 10:46.10 | peterm | but i have no clue how this can be achived via /etc/network/interfaces :-( |
| 10:46.34 | yrcjaya | help |
| 10:46.50 | simonrvn | the tun/tap device isn't usually used from interfaces, at least from what i've seen (not saying it's not possible) |
| 10:46.51 | unfo | yrcjaya: ok |
| 10:47.02 | simonrvn | !tell yrcjaya -about ask |
| 10:47.08 | simonrvn | !tell yrcjaya -about smart questions |
| 10:47.23 | yrcjaya | sorry i was trying the irc commands |
| 10:47.35 | yrcjaya | i'm really sorry |
| 10:47.44 | unfo | yrcjaya: it's ok, don't worry :) |
| 10:47.51 | peterm | simonvn, hmm ok maybe i'm doing it the wrong way *g*: I want a system-internal network bridge between a couple of virtual machines |
| 10:47.53 | tralala | !comfort yrcjaya |
| 10:47.54 | dpkg | There, there, yrcjaya. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:47.58 | unfo | simonrvn: why do you use !<smart questions> instead of !<gq>? |
| 10:48.03 | peterm | and to create a bridge i need a bridge port :-D |
| 10:48.26 | peterm | i can't use a physical device because they are all taken |
| 10:48.49 | peterm | and using lo doesn't work because its somehow connected to all other interfaces :-/ |
| 10:48.56 | unfo | why do IRC clients and servers allow me to type lines that say "help" or "quit" or "join #*" or such? |
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| 10:49.00 | simonrvn | unfo: because i didn't know about "gq" until you mentioned it. |
| 10:49.05 | unfo | simonrvn: ah :) |
| 10:49.35 | unfo | I once tried changing the URL in !<smart questions> to the one in !gq but someone else changed it back :( |
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| 10:49.43 | simonrvn | because "help" isn't a command. "/help" is. |
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| 10:50.15 | unfo | simonrvn: no, I mean why don't they intercept the "help" and ask me if I really meant to type "help" in channel? :) |
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| 10:50.45 | simonrvn | who's they? |
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| 10:50.52 | tralala | that's the first step down the road of feature bloat |
| 10:50.52 | unfo | simonrvn: clients and servers |
| 10:51.22 | unfo | tralala: irssi already intercepts large paste attempts and asks the user to confirm. It's darn useful. |
| 10:51.32 | unfo | It has saved me a few times. |
| 10:51.50 | tralala | yes, it is. help otoh isn't |
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| 10:52.12 | simonrvn | "help" is just text. "/help' isn't. |
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| 10:52.25 | simonrvn | s,',", |
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| 10:52.39 | enouf | bridge-utils |
| 10:52.40 | feroz | hello |
| 10:52.43 | simonrvn | though if you do: |
| 10:52.47 | simonrvn | /help |
| 10:53.05 | simonrvn | then you're just doing what you do anyway... |
| 10:53.18 | simonrvn | / /help |
| 10:53.26 | feroz | i need some help with libhid, someone can help me? |
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| 10:53.36 | simonrvn | just ask |
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| 10:55.02 | m4rtijn | hello |
| 10:55.08 | unfo | hi |
| 10:55.48 | m4rtijn | I administrating a debian vserver and somehow the proftpd service sometimes shutdown.. how can I find out why it does that? |
| 10:55.51 | feroz | Well, im trying to run the libhid test program, and i have problem with permissions. I have set up the device permissions to 666, but i still fails. but if i run it as root, i have no problem. |
| 10:56.04 | m4rtijn | I tried looking into the /var/log/proftpd |
| 10:56.16 | m4rtijn | but I cant find anything in the logfiles.. |
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| 10:56.40 | pivot_ | i'm trying to set up traffic shaping using tcng .. and somehow i'm getting the impression that this won't work as i'd like it to. what i want is to provide traffic shaping for a server - which has e.g. 100 users connecting to the server using http. now i tried tcng and set up some configuration, which works fine, e.g. limit bandwidth to 256kbyte/s for port 80. but what i want is not to limit that bandwith to a total of 256kbyte/s for |
| 10:56.40 | pivot_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.47 | unfo | pivot_: how many users on your network? why do you want traffic shaping anyway? :) |
| 10:57.55 | tralala | feroz, do the permission problems result in error messages? |
| 10:57.57 | unfo | feroz: why are you trying to run the libhid test program? :) |
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| 10:59.10 | pivot_ | to prevent abuse. the server must not provide e.g. 80mbit/s of his 100mbit/s to one single user - so i want up to 256 per IP/user as maximum - currently tihs is implemented using some httpd-modules, but i'd like to have that on kernel-level due to several different un-evadeable reasons |
| 10:59.16 | enouf | m4rtijn: just curious, do you have a swap setup? and do you have plenty of ram? |
| 10:59.32 | m4rtijn | enouf - erm.. how do I find out? :p |
| 10:59.34 | unfo | pivot_: how many users on your network? |
| 10:59.47 | enouf | m4rtijn: free -m for starters |
| 10:59.49 | tralala | pivot_, I think you'll need a proxy. Even if it's possible to limit the traffic per connection, it can be bypassed by opening multiple connections |
| 11:00.13 | feroz | unfo: i need to use libhid in a program, so first step was to try to run the test program |
| 11:00.24 | m4rtijn | enouf - total = 500 used = 250 |
| 11:00.32 | pivot_ | unfo: i can't say, the server has 5 accesses/s at night, 100/s at daytime |
| 11:00.34 | unfo | feroz: in what program? |
| 11:00.44 | m4rtijn | enouf - and swap = 500 free = 500 |
| 11:01.09 | unfo | pivot_: ah. so you really need traffic shaping or another enterprise solution and can't use, say, torrent controls. I don't know the answer to your problem, sorry. |
| 11:01.13 | pivot_ | tralala: that's what i was hoping, tc can provide - limit that to one IP, so when one user loads 5 files that each gets (256kbytes/s) / 5 |
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| 11:01.45 | feroz | unfo, we have a device that connects to the PC via usb hid, i have to write the user app for it |
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| 11:01.54 | pivot_ | hm :/ |
| 11:02.05 | unfo | feroz: what is the device? |
| 11:02.07 | enouf | m4rtijn: why would you selectively show only used for one, and free for other? |
| 11:02.27 | feroz | unfo: rfid reader |
| 11:02.47 | tralala | pivot_, have you seen the lartc? |
| 11:03.05 | enouf | m4rtijn: other than this which is likely not the issue i was thinking of, check other /var/log/ files |
| 11:03.06 | pivot_ | no, never heard |
| 11:03.13 | tralala | pivot_, /msg dpkg lartc |
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| 11:03.27 | Misterjos | hey, can someone give me a hint how i can access my debian lenny computer across the internet? (not via LAN, but from another location on the internet) |
| 11:03.50 | unfo | feroz: ok. so why not run everything as root? :) |
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| 11:04.12 | tralala | Misterjos, using ssh or openvpn |
| 11:04.40 | sir_liu | tralala, hi |
| 11:04.43 | feroz | unfo: it's supposed to be an end-user app, its better to run it with user-permissions? |
| 11:04.51 | tralala | sir_liu, hello |
| 11:05.31 | Misterjos | do you know a good howto tralala? i dont have experience with this. |
| 11:05.48 | unfo | feroz: yes, it is better. |
| 11:06.00 | pivot_ | tralala: hm, isn that what tcng addresses? tcng writes such tc-commands using an easier syntax, as the devs say, with "20 percent of the headache using tc" directly by specifying tc-commands |
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| 11:06.17 | feroz | unfo: any chance you know, why i am having probs with it? :) |
| 11:06.23 | enouf | Misterjos: search for info at debian-administration.org |
| 11:06.41 | Misterjos | i will, thanks enouf |
| 11:07.05 | unfo | feroz: sorry to patronize, but did you try some simple http://google.com and http://search.gmane.org searching for 'libhid permissions' already? |
| 11:07.19 | tralala | pivot_, it's not about the tool you use, but about the abilities of the kernel. If there's something similar at lartc maybe you can adapt it for your needs |
| 11:07.30 | enouf | Misterjos: maybe even wiki.debian.org as well .. naturally, man ssh, man sshd, see related /usr/share/doc/* files |
| 11:08.40 | unfo | Misterjos: what services (disk, printer, etc.) and applications do you want to access remotely? |
| 11:09.06 | feroz | unfo: yes.. im trying to understand this since yesterday, i fixed permissions using udev rules. and still the same problem. |
| 11:10.30 | unfo | feroz: I don't know. Try re-asking. If nobody has answered you after 10 minutes, ping me again. |
| 11:11.05 | Misterjos | i want to open, change and edit documents on my computer at home from a location somewhere else on the internet, so i dont need usb sticks etc to carry my docs unfo |
| 11:11.48 | feroz | unfo: okay! Thanks! |
| 11:11.50 | tralala | Misterjos, what documents? What's the oprating system you'll be using when not at home? |
| 11:11.51 | unfo | Misterjos: USB sticks are cheap and far easier. I can send you a half-working one for just the price of postage. |
| 11:12.10 | Misterjos | usually windows tralala |
| 11:13.13 | tralala | Misterjos, then you'll need openvpn + samba for easy use. However setting it up is not a newbie task. |
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| 11:13.18 | Misterjos | i have a lot of books on my computer i use as references, and it would be easy if i could access them via the internet |
| 11:14.07 | Misterjos | i'll have a look at that tralala, my samba server is up and running for my lan i'll see if i find a good howto |
| 11:14.16 | craigevil | why not use Google Docs? you can edit from any computer |
| 11:14.35 | Misterjos | never used that craigevil |
| 11:14.45 | unfo | feroz: now is the time to go ahead and re-ask. :) |
| 11:14.53 | craigevil | or if you dont trust google, zoho |
| 11:14.55 | feroz | Just an other Q |
| 11:15.02 | tralala | Misterjos, openvpn has a howto. Perhaps it will help you. |
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| 11:16.10 | feroz | unfo: is this hotplug rule: http://cvs.ailab.ch/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/external/libphidgets/hotplug/phidgets.hotplug?rev=1.4&view=markup similar to something like: KERNEL=="hiddev[0-9]",MODE="0777" |
| 11:16.30 | clever | starting/stoping portmap/statd just freeze up |
| 11:16.30 | clever | whats wrong? |
| 11:16.34 | unfo | feroz: dunno. ask everyone. gtg bye |
| 11:16.39 | feroz | bye |
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| 11:16.51 | clever | ahhh nvm this old problem |
| 11:17.00 | clever | 127.0.0.1 isnt set to all hell is breaking loose:P |
| 11:17.02 | feroz | how do i chmod a device in an udev rule? |
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| 11:17.42 | SparFux | how can I use gxine as my flashplayer? |
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| 11:17.46 | SparFux | It seems to work perfectly! |
| 11:18.23 | SparFux | ah, xine-plugin perhaps. |
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| 11:19.13 | SparFux | no, it's just a picture? |
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| 11:24.30 | enouf | a picture of what? :-P |
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| 11:27.54 | dustybin | clever: what the hell you doing here :P |
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| 11:28.22 | dustybin | i just tried debian live on usb stick, what a waste of time, it didnt even come with ssh pre-installed |
| 11:28.54 | enouf | wishlist bug time :-) |
| 11:28.55 | clever | dustybin: im running lenny on one of my nfsroot systems:P |
| 11:29.30 | clever | im trying to make a script that will fully install&config lenny(and/or ubuntu) in a dir for nfs booting |
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| 11:29.47 | clever | so that i can whipe it and start over with minimal work |
| 11:29.57 | tralala | clever, something like debootstrap? |
| 11:30.09 | clever | tralala: it uses debootstrap to get the initial root |
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| 11:30.23 | clever | tralala: but that does some 'dumb' things like no 127.0.0.1 to lo, causing nfs to shit itself |
| 11:30.25 | dustybin | clever: this channel doesnt yet know what they are now letting themselves in for :P |
| 11:30.43 | clever | dustybin: yes they do:P, ive been here for dpkg/apt problems on ubuntu before |
| 11:30.47 | clever | theyve kicked me for it! |
| 11:30.49 | dustybin | :P |
| 11:31.35 | enouf | dustybin: some other options are grml.org/faq ../files and http://cmrg.fifthhorseman.net/wiki/debirf |
| 11:31.35 | tetonca | wat is whipe? ;) |
| 11:31.41 | dustybin | does anybody know of a decent usb stick distro? |
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| 11:31.57 | dustybin | enouf: grml is cd size |
| 11:32.02 | tralala | dustybin, yes, debian |
| 11:32.03 | fireba11 | dustybin : grml got a guide to get it to USB |
| 11:32.07 | enouf | dustybin: nope |
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| 11:32.09 | dustybin | ok thanks :) |
| 11:32.13 | clever | dustybin: i recently stuck a debootstrap of ubuntu onto my usb chip, and used that to play with the new nvidia driver |
| 11:32.15 | tetonca | damnsmall is a decent usb stick distro. there's a version of freebsd that also works well on a USB stick. |
| 11:33.30 | tetonca | I use damnsmall and I've only heard of the fbsd (nanobsd comes to mind) not tried that one. |
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| 11:34.11 | tralala | damnsmall is too damnsmall |
| 11:34.13 | enouf | clever: might want to peek at file:///etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 11:34.20 | tralala | I have both debian and grml on sticks |
| 11:34.44 | clever | enouf: ive allready edited that to set the initrd to nfs mode |
| 11:34.44 | clever | and scripted the edit |
| 11:34.58 | enouf | and even /etc/default/nfs* while you're at it |
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| 11:35.08 | clever | havent been there yet |
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| 11:38.18 | clever | enouf: dont see any usefull options there |
| 11:38.39 | clever | my problem was that statd couldnt bind to 127.0.0.1 so it tryed to contact portmap on the private lan ip |
| 11:38.47 | clever | and portmap silently ignored it because it was unsecure |
| 11:38.55 | clever | so statd would hang waiting for a reply |
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| 11:53.44 | feroz | how do i chmod somethin in /dev/bus/usb using udev? |
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| 11:58.44 | zafy | hey guys, say I save stuff in the tmp folder because i only need some files for a specific thing and then I don't need them anymore, is there some kind of rule for when the tmp folder empties itself ? I mean how does that work ? |
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| 12:02.18 | HeXiLeD | ls -lah /quit |
| 12:02.24 | HeXiLeD | sorry :P |
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| 12:08.19 | clever | dustybin: now testing my script:), i rm -rv'ed the root and reran the script |
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| 12:09.07 | Craz | zafy: as far as i know /tmp will be emptied when your system will start |
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| 12:12.18 | zafy | Craz, okay so if my system is not supposed to restart, I need to delete stuff myself |
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| 12:13.34 | clever | zafy: ive seen a crontab script in redhat9 that would clean out old files |
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| 12:14.13 | zafy | clever, it's no problem I can do it, I just wanted to know |
| 12:14.14 | zafy | thanks |
| 12:15.13 | my007ms | what i have install to so i can open terminal with right click in desktop ? |
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| 12:15.35 | clever | zafy: it seems to use the 'tmpwatch' binary |
| 12:15.58 | clever | that it seems a tad useless since find can do the exact same thing |
| 12:16.56 | stoned | Good morning |
| 12:17.14 | l403 | mornin |
| 12:17.25 | stoned | i woke up with massive heartburn |
| 12:17.29 | stoned | now im an drinking milk |
| 12:17.31 | stoned | :( |
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| 12:19.22 | stoned | and I have to sneeze but it won't come |
| 12:19.24 | stoned | :( |
| 12:19.29 | stoned | ugh. |
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| 12:25.02 | l403 | nice morning then |
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| 12:29.57 | stoned | yes my nose tickles on the inside |
| 12:30.04 | stoned | but I can't reach in it to scratch it |
| 12:30.06 | stoned | its weird |
| 12:30.09 | stoned | :( |
| 12:30.27 | l403 | As you told me the kernel is old, I installed the linux-image-686 in apt. Will that make make my kernel upgrade automaticaly to some 2.6.27?? |
| 12:30.38 | stoned | no |
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| 12:30.44 | tetonca | my007ms you probably need to edit your window manager config file(s) to get a desktop menu specified differently from its default specification; only some wm's will configure this and others provide reasonable defaults that cannot be simply changed by the end-user (I'd guess). |
| 12:30.46 | l403 | D'Oh! |
| 12:30.55 | stoned | .26 is the latest |
| 12:31.04 | stoned | .27 is devel |
| 12:31.09 | stoned | .28 is next stable I think |
| 12:31.10 | l403 | well, whhatever is the latest |
| 12:31.31 | my007ms | tetonca nautilus-open-terminal do exact what i need ;) |
| 12:31.34 | stoned | its not gonna be in etch for sure, not sure what lenny will ship with |
| 12:31.44 | stoned | but for a latest kernel you'd have to build it |
| 12:31.53 | stoned | or wait for some time until its in repos |
| 12:32.06 | clever | lenny gave me .26 |
| 12:32.12 | stoned | as it should |
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| 12:33.38 | ForsakenSoul | hey guys I'm configuring a debian 4.0 rc3... how do I grant access to a certain ip |
| 12:33.41 | ForsakenSoul | using iptables |
| 12:33.41 | ForsakenSoul | ? |
| 12:34.00 | petemc | how did you block that ip? |
| 12:34.14 | ForsakenSoul | paternc well haven't blocked it |
| 12:34.32 | ForsakenSoul | but I mean ... my host company request that if I put up any firewall |
| 12:34.40 | ForsakenSoul | that I allow access to the admins |
| 12:35.05 | tetonca | There's a good HOWTO for that or some other similar doc. |
| 12:35.10 | tetonca | Or was. ;) |
| 12:35.16 | ForsakenSoul | haha |
| 12:35.19 | ForsakenSoul | hey just a question |
| 12:35.30 | tetonca | I used to have it in /usr/share/doc/foo/*.html but I forget what it was. |
| 12:35.41 | ForsakenSoul | doing http://articles.slicehost.com/assets/2007/9/4/iptables.txt |
| 12:35.45 | tetonca | I now just model on what I already have. |
| 12:35.50 | ForsakenSoul | won't block the access to any ip right ? |
| 12:36.10 | tetonca | I'm not going to look at that. ;) |
| 12:36.19 | ForsakenSoul | :D |
| 12:36.23 | ForsakenSoul | cmon guys .. :D help a noob |
| 12:36.23 | ForsakenSoul | :d |
| 12:36.26 | tetonca | I had enough trouble with fifth grade. |
| 12:36.27 | petemc | ForsakenSoul: you would be better not blithely configuring iptables, theres very little point |
| 12:36.46 | tetonca | grc.com will check your firewall. |
| 12:36.52 | tetonca | shield's up |
| 12:37.06 | ForsakenSoul | petemc: do you know any good tutorials I could use |
| 12:37.06 | ForsakenSoul | ? |
| 12:37.12 | tetonca | Monitor the relevant system log. |
| 12:37.21 | tetonca | then open up pinholes. |
| 12:37.28 | petemc | ForsakenSoul: google iptables how to, theres thousands |
| 12:37.34 | tetonca | and watch the log as you try to use the pinholes from outside. |
| 12:37.45 | petemc | what log? |
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| 12:38.04 | tetonca | I don't remember. /var/log/* is where it is kept tho. |
| 12:38.11 | tetonca | Just grep around in there. ;) |
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| 12:38.15 | petemc | it doesnt log unless you tell it to |
| 12:38.17 | tetonca | If it ain't in there, logging isn't enabled. |
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| 12:39.50 | tetonca | I don't see how you can develop firewall rules without that log enabled. |
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| 12:40.14 | tetonca | Once it's nice and how you like it, then disable logging if you can't spare the disk space or CPU time etc. |
| 12:40.40 | petemc | very useful advice |
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| 12:43.46 | TheBlasphemer | On some systems when showing the boot messages there is an image (usually a penguin) at the top left of the screen. Is it possible to change that image ? (And how is it called, so I can google it) |
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| 12:44.36 | petemc | TheBlasphemer: you can install one of the splash packages which give a graphical boot |
| 12:45.34 | TheBlasphemer | The system I'm looking at already has it, I just want to put in another image ;) |
| 12:46.05 | petemc | you're using knoppix or something? |
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| 12:46.36 | TheBlasphemer | I'm looking at changing the boot image of a live-CD, yeah |
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| 12:47.03 | TheBlasphemer | I think it's based on ArchLinux, but I've seen a boot image like that on many distributions, so was hoping someone here would know |
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| 12:49.33 | Gigantic | How do you force deinstallation of something? |
| 12:49.46 | Gigantic | I am getting errors uninstalling two packages |
| 12:50.07 | Gigantic | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 12:50.23 | machine1 | has anyone here rebranded a ff browser on their own, like a ice weasel? |
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| 12:54.12 | Symbi0nt | hi |
| 12:54.15 | Gigantic | and worse with: E: libghc6-highlighting-kate-dev: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 12:54.19 | Symbi0nt | how can I set up the time? |
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| 12:54.27 | Gigantic | settime |
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| 12:55.19 | alcohol | afternoon' all |
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| 12:55.45 | flourish | hello, a question. what the name of package "cyrus-sals" in debian |
| 12:55.49 | stoned | mornin |
| 12:55.53 | flourish | cyrus-sasl |
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| 12:56.15 | flourish | i just find libsasl2-2 |
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| 12:58.32 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
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| 13:01.47 | Gigantic | ack! |
| 13:01.55 | Gigantic | I can remove the libghc6-highlighting-kate-dev |
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| 13:07.31 | Symbi0nt | hmm settime not found |
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| 13:08.29 | Gigantic | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 13:08.30 | Gigantic | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 13:08.45 | Gigantic | libghc6-highlighting-kate-dev |
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| 13:09.44 | Gigantic | if I try aptitude it will remove a bunch other files also that are not even related |
| 13:10.02 | Gigantic | and synaptic don give me dependency errors but just fail |
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| 13:10.22 | azeem | Gigantic: haskell for the win |
| 13:10.41 | azeem | Gigantic: is this testing or unstable? |
| 13:10.50 | Gigantic | I didn even wanted to install it =\ |
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| 13:10.57 | linuzdude | Hello |
| 13:10.59 | Gigantic | lenny/Sid |
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| 13:11.11 | linuzdude | What version am I supposed to use now? |
| 13:11.17 | linuzdude | I am on etch... |
| 13:11.19 | rubixx | noob here. i'm trying to run a perl script but i keep getting this "-sh: ./dhyana.pl: /usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory". what should i do? |
| 13:11.19 | azeem | linuzdude: of what? |
| 13:11.22 | Gigantic | linuzdude: Vista |
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| 13:11.24 | linuzdude | Debian |
| 13:11.28 | azeem | Gigantic: please keep it on topic |
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| 13:11.44 | Lifeform | Hi... Anyone in the US here that can help me test the transfer rate from our norwegian server? |
| 13:11.46 | Gigantic | azeem: being sarcastic... |
| 13:11.47 | azeem | linuzdude: etch is fine; you can try to upgrade to lenny as well if it's just a desktop system |
| 13:12.03 | azeem | Gigantic: this is a support channel you know; if you answer questions, you do it in the name of Debian |
| 13:12.04 | linuzdude | azeem: Server and desktop combined... |
| 13:12.08 | azeem | so please take that into account |
| 13:12.14 | Gigantic | ok |
| 13:12.36 | azeem | linuzdude: then I suggest you stay on stable |
| 13:12.51 | linuzdude | So lenny isn't stable? |
| 13:13.01 | azeem | no |
| 13:13.04 | azeem | it's testing |
| 13:13.05 | OpenTokix | linuzdude: no, stable is stable |
| 13:13.06 | linuzdude | Ok, thanks |
| 13:13.20 | linuzdude | Is there any programs that is good to use in screen? |
| 13:13.21 | Lifeform | anyone...? will only take a min.. |
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| 13:13.34 | linuzdude | Lifeform: I am in Alta, Norway. I can do it. |
| 13:13.37 | Gigantic | so any idea how could I remove the pkg? =\ |
| 13:13.42 | Lifeform | damn u ! ;) |
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| 13:13.49 | Lifeform | that will be of no use linuz :) |
| 13:13.50 | ForsakenSoul | hey guys how can I see the users log |
| 13:13.51 | ForsakenSoul | ? |
| 13:13.54 | azeem | Gigantic: paste the *full* output to a pastbin |
| 13:13.58 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 13:13.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 13:13.59 | ForsakenSoul | who's logged in and when |
| 13:14.13 | azeem | ForsakenSoul: run "who" or "w" |
| 13:14.19 | Lifeform | linuzdude: serveren står i oslo... bare teste farten inn til Norge |
| 13:14.30 | linuzdude | Lifeform: ISP? |
| 13:14.30 | snek | lifeform, maybe check this.. not really bandwidth, but ping will give a good idea about overseas performance: http://just-ping.com/ |
| 13:14.31 | azeem | Lifeform: this is an english channel |
| 13:14.32 | rubixx | noob here. i'm trying to run a perl script but i keep getting this "-sh: ./dhyana.pl: /usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory". what should i do? |
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| 13:14.45 | azeem | rubixx: install perl |
| 13:14.49 | ForsakenSoul | azeem does the system store more than 1 login |
| 13:14.49 | Gigantic | azeem: http://nopaste.org/p/ap73jtHFC |
| 13:14.50 | ForsakenSoul | :? |
| 13:15.01 | rubixx | azeem: it is installed |
| 13:15.02 | azeem | rubixx: or remove the Windows lineendings from your script |
| 13:15.12 | rubixx | azeem: how? |
| 13:15.15 | azeem | ForsakenSoul: what do you mean with "the system"? |
| 13:15.18 | azeem | rubixx: by editing it |
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| 13:15.22 | Lifeform | snek: we really need to test the transfer rate from the server. I´ve been using www.internetsupervision.com, but as I understand it´s the transfer rate that really matters for webserver/streamingservers. |
| 13:15.36 | rubixx | azeem: search for the word windows? |
| 13:15.48 | snek | ah if it's a streaming server yeah :P |
| 13:15.51 | ForsakenSoul | azeem well I mean by default ... does debian store more than 1 login |
| 13:15.52 | linuzdude | Lifeform: Is the thing publicly availebole? |
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| 13:15.59 | Lifeform | azeem: that´s okay. we´ll not speak our glorious language anymore. |
| 13:16.01 | ForsakenSoul | meaning a list a of when people logged in |
| 13:16.09 | azeem | rubixx: no, check for ^M characters at the end of the first line |
| 13:16.15 | azeem | Lifeform: thanks |
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| 13:16.25 | azeem | ForsakenSoul: what do you mean with "store"? |
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| 13:16.32 | Lifeform | it´s this file ==> www.divetube.net/100mb.bin ... it´s very slow abroad I have reports on. |
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| 13:16.47 | ForsakenSoul | azeem log |
| 13:16.49 | ForsakenSoul | in a file |
| 13:16.50 | ForsakenSoul | :D |
| 13:16.55 | rubixx | azeem: only found one "if ( ($CM =~ /^matt$/i)" remove it? |
| 13:16.57 | azeem | ForsakenSoul: there's alos /var/log/auth |
| 13:17.04 | azeem | rubixx: no |
| 13:17.08 | ForsakenSoul | azeem thank |
| 13:17.12 | stoned | good morning |
| 13:17.23 | azeem | rubixx: what does "file ./dhyana.pl" say? |
| 13:17.41 | azeem | Gigantic: you will have to edit/hack the package scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info manually I guess |
| 13:17.48 | stoned | is it advisable to cron upgrade on a sid machine twice daily |
| 13:17.48 | stoned | ? |
| 13:17.59 | OpenTokix | stoned: no |
| 13:18.02 | rubixx | azeem: -sh: ./dhyana.pl: /usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 13:18.06 | stoned | then tht means yes :) |
| 13:18.09 | stoned | Thanks |
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| 13:18.20 | Gigantic | azeem: =| aaaaaaaa... |
| 13:18.24 | azeem | rubixx: did you run "file ..:? |
| 13:18.31 | Gigantic | azeem: oks Ima try |
| 13:18.35 | rubixx | azeem: ??? |
| 13:18.42 | stoned | 10 packs upgrade since last night |
| 13:18.44 | stoned | cool |
| 13:18.44 | azeem | rubixx: what command did you run? |
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| 13:19.07 | rubixx | azeem: ./dhyana.pl |
| 13:19.16 | azeem | rubixx: what command did I tell you to run? |
| 13:19.44 | rubixx | azeem: ./dhyana.pl: perl script text executable |
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| 13:20.05 | linuzdude | Lifeform: I am trying to get americans to download it now... |
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| 13:20.10 | azeem | rubixx: what is the first line of that script? |
| 13:20.17 | Lifeform | linuzdude: brilliant ! :) |
| 13:20.24 | rubixx | azeem: #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 13:20.38 | Lifeform | i predict it´s slow... just want to see HOW slow it is... on a general basis. |
| 13:20.47 | Lifeform | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.07 | azeem | rubixx: what does "perl -V | head -1" say? |
| 13:21.23 | OpenTokix | Have anyone ever had the problem that cron, sometimes run a job twice? |
| 13:21.35 | rubixx | azeem: Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8) configuration: |
| 13:21.53 | azeem | rubixx: maybe try to run "perl ./dhyana.pl" then or something |
| 13:22.16 | joltcan | OpenTokix: Never |
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| 13:22.46 | joltcan | OpenTokix: if the clock wasn't skewed or something crazy like that, and it's a job that runs every minute |
| 13:22.55 | rubixx | azeem: Can't locate File/chdir.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./dhyana.pl line 390. |
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| 13:23.23 | azeem | rubixx: looks like you're missing some perl modules then |
| 13:24.15 | rubixx | azeem: is there a certain package i can get to fix this? |
| 13:24.19 | azeem | yes |
| 13:24.35 | azeem | rubixx: search on packages.debian.org which package contains "File/chdir.pm" and install it |
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| 13:25.37 | rubixx | azeem: No documents match your query |
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| 13:26.04 | azeem | No documents? |
| 13:26.52 | azeem | rubixx: you were using the wrong search then |
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| 13:27.44 | OpenTokix | joltcan: I have a job running every minute now |
| 13:27.47 | stoned | OpenTokix, uhm... how do you mean |
| 13:27.55 | OpenTokix | and for about one hour, iu have had it two "doubles" three times |
| 13:27.56 | stoned | it only runs what you tell it to run |
| 13:28.06 | stoned | OpenTokix, check the bts first |
| 13:28.07 | OpenTokix | joltcan: very strange |
| 13:28.13 | OpenTokix | joltcan: clock is good, hw-clock is good |
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| 13:28.39 | stoned | actually first check your cron job |
| 13:28.42 | stoned | again |
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| 13:30.44 | rubixx | azeem: still not workin |
| 13:30.45 | rubixx | g |
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| 13:31.26 | OpenTokix | stoned: yeah, it is five lines of bash-script |
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| 13:31.40 | stoned | not your script |
| 13:31.42 | stoned | your cron job |
| 13:31.54 | azeem | rubixx: same error? |
| 13:32.06 | OpenTokix | stoned: that is one line, and it worked on my lab-machine |
| 13:32.15 | rubixx | azeem: yes |
| 13:32.24 | azeem | rubixx: then you've installed the wrong perl module |
| 13:32.28 | stoned | was there any network time sync.? |
| 13:32.54 | rubixx | azeem: i only had one option |
| 13:33.12 | rubixx | azeem: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=file%2Fchdir.pm&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 13:33.30 | OpenTokix | stoned: ntp is running |
| 13:33.49 | azeem | rubixx: what is the error you get? |
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| 13:34.05 | rubixx | azeem: -sh: ./dhyana.pl: /usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 13:34.12 | azeem | uhm |
| 13:34.15 | stoned | I am not positive but it could be related, it shouldn't though, have you checked the BTS yet? |
| 13:34.21 | azeem | I told you to run "perl ./dhyana.pl" |
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| 13:34.44 | OpenTokix | stoned: Are you talking to me? |
| 13:34.47 | OpenTokix | stoned: BTS? |
| 13:34.50 | stoned | OpenTokix, yes, sorry |
| 13:34.52 | stoned | Bug Tracker |
| 13:35.02 | stoned | !tell OpenTokix -about bts |
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| 13:35.30 | rubixx | azeem: seems to be working now. but now i'm getting /usr/bin/midentify: line 17: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' |
| 13:35.30 | rubixx | /usr/bin/midentify: line 18: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 13:35.37 | stoned | dpkg, ping |
| 13:35.40 | azeem | rubixx: then fix the script |
| 13:35.41 | stoned | dpkg, hi |
| 13:35.47 | stoned | great the bot is dead |
| 13:35.48 | azeem | rubixx: or report the error to whoever wrote the script |
| 13:36.13 | azeem | !hi |
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| 13:36.33 | stoned | extreme lag or ... |
| 13:36.56 | stoned | I think don has only 512 on this machine doesn't he? |
| 13:37.04 | stoned | think it might be swapping |
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| 13:37.17 | stoned | maybe |
| 13:38.28 | azeem | that explains |
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| 13:38.48 | stoned | !ping |
| 13:38.49 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:38.49 | dpkg | niihau |
| 13:38.51 | stoned | there he is |
| 13:38.52 | clever | [stoned PING reply]: 3922milisec |
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| 13:39.10 | stoned | probably swapping |
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| 13:39.48 | stoned | stupid bot! |
| 13:40.00 | OpenTokix | stoned: I have 4G, no swap - four core 2,8GHz Xeon |
| 13:40.27 | stoned | why should that affect your cron? |
| 13:40.33 | OpenTokix | dunno |
| 13:40.35 | stoned | but nice machine I guess :) |
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| 13:40.41 | OpenTokix | stoned: yeah, its ok |
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| 13:41.06 | rubixx | azeem: works great now. thank you for your help |
| 13:41.52 | stoned | hey guys |
| 13:41.56 | ma3x | what's this if-up.d/mountnfs[wlan0]: waiting for interface eth0 before doing NFS mounts (warning). |
| 13:41.58 | stoned | what is so special about itanium ia64? |
| 13:42.00 | ma3x | i don't have such interface eth0 |
| 13:42.36 | OpenTokix | stoned: Everything is maxed out in the architecture - it is like a little hyperdome in a single package |
| 13:43.04 | jelly | stoned: CPUs with 24MB cache, and you ask what's special? |
| 13:43.10 | feroz | anyone knows how to chmod /dev/bus/usb/xxx using udev rules? |
| 13:43.20 | jelly | the price, that's what is special |
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| 13:43.38 | OpenTokix | cache is king |
| 13:44.02 | stoned | oh wow |
| 13:44.09 | rvalles | no cache is big enough to escape neumann's bottleneck tho |
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| 13:45.12 | feroz | anyone? |
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| 13:47.35 | dustybin | rsync --delete -azvv -e ssh --exclude "/mnt/video/dvd" /mnt/video root@192.168.1.84:/mnt/SATA1 |
| 13:47.45 | clever | what package do i need for lame dev? |
| 13:47.56 | dustybin | im trying to stop my dvd isos from being copied, but they are still copying? what is wrong with my rsync options |
| 13:48.23 | valdyn | dustybin: --exclude= ? |
| 13:48.26 | clever | dustybin: chmod 0 /mnt/video/dvd is what i would usualy do |
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| 13:49.25 | j`ey | i think debian f***ed my card reader :::::|||| |
| 13:49.38 | j`ey | (usb key) |
| 13:49.40 | dustybin | ohhh = |
| 13:49.51 | j`ey | it now wont work on my mac :| |
| 13:49.57 | j`ey | i forgot to umount.. |
| 13:50.01 | j`ey | and it broke.. i guess |
| 13:50.07 | j`ey | anyway to make it work again> |
| 13:50.24 | Aggro | j`ey: So you f*** it? Not Debian? |
| 13:50.30 | dustybin | valdyn: i just changed it to = and |
| 13:50.31 | j`ey | well i meant |
| 13:50.32 | dustybin | video/dvd/a beautiful mind.iso |
| 13:50.36 | dustybin | started to copy |
| 13:50.39 | j`ey | i was on debian when it happend |
| 13:50.46 | j`ey | so yes, i borked it |
| 13:50.53 | j`ey | but i wonder if i can refix it? |
| 13:50.58 | j`ey | it works on debian still. |
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| 13:51.17 | liable | then macos fucked it.. |
| 13:51.22 | valdyn | dustybin: you need to use wildcards |
| 13:51.26 | valdyn | dustybin: i think |
| 13:51.30 | j`ey | huh no? |
| 13:51.33 | j`ey | well |
| 13:51.34 | peterm | j'ey, your cardreader is fucked our our card which you read? |
| 13:51.47 | j`ey | well, the card reader i think? i dunno |
| 13:52.03 | j`ey | i jsut checked it on debian.. and it worked.. |
| 13:52.04 | peterm | try the card somewhere else |
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| 13:52.11 | valdyn | dustybin: "/mnt/video/dvd/**" |
| 13:52.17 | peterm | then unmount the card with debian |
| 13:52.26 | peterm | und try to mount it again under mac |
| 13:52.31 | SidGBF | can I force apt-get install to use utf8 in postgres? |
| 13:52.35 | j`ey | well |
| 13:52.39 | j`ey | it didnt automount :| |
| 13:53.04 | liable | j`ey: if it works in debian, why the fuck are you blaming debian for it not working in macos? |
| 13:53.22 | liable | what a etarded argument |
| 13:53.22 | j`ey | because it happened after I just tried it in debian :S: |
| 13:53.27 | j`ey | lol |
| 13:53.28 | j`ey | argument |
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| 13:53.32 | j`ey | im not arguing :P |
| 13:53.43 | XTZGZoReX | I've set my sources.list to download from sid, but what if I want to install, say, virtualbox, which is only in etch? |
| 13:53.58 | dustybin | rsync --delete -azvv -e ssh --exclude=/mnt/video/dvd/** /mnt/video root@192.168.1.84:/mnt/SATA1 |
| 13:54.01 | dustybin | video/dvd/a beautiful mind.iso |
| 13:54.04 | dustybin | ^^ started to copy |
| 13:54.15 | j`ey | i just thought you might know what i could do |
| 13:54.25 | j`ey | since i said, i forgot a umount.. and now it doesnt work |
| 13:54.57 | Aggro | j`ey: You just said that it works, so I don't see how it could be broken. |
| 13:55.06 | Aggro | j`ey: Perhaps your mac is broken? Reboot it? |
| 13:55.33 | Raven737 | Hi.. i upgraded a server yesterday from 3.1 to 4.0, now i am getting "Will now mount local filesystems: Error: cannot mount filesystem: Invalid argument\n failed!(in red)".. otherwise comp. boots fine. Is that a problem? |
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| 13:56.03 | overleaf | dustybin: put the exclude after the include. You're getting pwned on precendence. |
| 13:56.14 | dustybin | o_0 |
| 13:56.17 | overleaf | dustybin: get rid of the wildcards too. |
| 13:56.22 | dustybin | ok |
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| 13:56.42 | j`ey | ok, all is good now |
| 13:56.53 | Aggro | j`ey: how did you fix it? |
| 13:56.53 | dustybin | rsync --delete -azvv -e ssh /mnt/video --exclude=/mnt/video/dvd/ root@192.168.1.84:/mnt/SATA1 |
| 13:56.55 | fireba11 | Raven737: well have a look at what fs didn't get mounted ... |
| 13:57.03 | j`ey | well, i plugged it back into the umm |
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| 13:57.05 | j`ey | debian |
| 13:57.08 | j`ey | did the umount.. |
| 13:57.16 | j`ey | and then, i dunno |
| 13:57.19 | j`ey | it seemed to work |
| 13:57.25 | j`ey | but it was acting wierd at first |
| 13:57.56 | Raven737 | fireba11: yes, but how? (i'm a noob, i don't even know what log contains the startup text where the message appears and i can't shift scroll up enough) |
| 13:58.02 | dustybin | that still didnt work |
| 13:58.04 | dustybin | video/dvd/a beautiful mind.iso |
| 13:58.11 | ma3x | if-up.d/mountnfs[wlan0]: waiting for interface eth0 before doing NFS mounts (warning). why do i get this warning when i have no eth0? |
| 13:58.12 | Aggro | j`ey: you are welcome |
| 13:58.23 | j`ey | Aggro: thanks :P |
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| 13:59.12 | Aggro | j`ey: But next time, don't blame Debian on channel named #debian or you get answers you don't like ;) |
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| 13:59.47 | j`ey | oh |
| 13:59.49 | j`ey | you were fin! |
| 13:59.51 | j`ey | *fine |
| 14:00.01 | Aggro | j`ey: Asking questions without blaming is still ok. |
| 14:00.01 | j`ey | i was just kinda upset it was borked |
| 14:00.23 | overleaf | j`ey: the solution was to install debian on your mac anyway. |
| 14:00.23 | Aggro | j`ey: I am actually Finn, from Finland that is |
| 14:00.32 | j`ey | Aggro: hei |
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| 14:00.39 | j`ey | overleaf: i dont feel like doing that |
| 14:00.58 | j`ey | Aggro: suomi |
| 14:01.05 | j`ey | Aggro: that's all I know |
| 14:01.07 | Raven737 | Stupid Question: all the text during startup.. is it logged somewhere? if so.. where? |
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| 14:01.44 | overleaf | Raven737: type dmesg |
| 14:02.05 | j`ey | was jsut tailing dmesg |
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| 14:04.20 | sfears | how do i tell what /dev/??? my usb devices are assigned to? |
| 14:04.32 | j`ey | heh |
| 14:04.36 | j`ey | dmesg | tail |
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| 14:05.03 | sfears | [59834.440090] usb 1-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 |
| 14:05.19 | j`ey | it should say like |
| 14:05.27 | j`ey | blah blah writing blah blah cacher |
| 14:05.30 | j`ey | *-r |
| 14:05.45 | j`ey | look for like sdb1 or something |
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| 14:06.31 | sfears | i don't see anything like that j`ey |
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| 14:06.56 | j`ey | next time, don't blame Debian on channel named #debian or you get answers you don't like ;) |
| 14:07.12 | Raven737 | overleaf: thanks.. but it doesn't show everything... man taks about levels, but using any i don't see anything |
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| 14:07.23 | j`ey | sfears: hmm |
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| 14:07.33 | j`ey | sfears: it should be there somewhere :| |
| 14:07.39 | sfears | i'm actually using kubuntu.. but i couldn't find any help in #kubuntu |
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| 14:08.30 | j`ey | hmm |
| 14:08.32 | j`ey | really |
| 14:08.34 | j`ey | its there |
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| 14:10.22 | kbrandt | Is it possible to do a reverse dependancy search with apt? I want to run query 'foo' that will show all packages that have 'foo' as a dependancy |
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| 14:10.48 | XTZGZoReX | if aptitude lists some recommended packages, how can I tell it to install them all? (there's a lot, so don't feel like copy+paste'ing..) |
| 14:11.03 | dindinx | kbrandt: apt-get rdepends |
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| 14:11.42 | dindinx | kbrandt: apt-cache rdepends foo (sorry) |
| 14:12.11 | E-bola | Can you get a 2.6.27 kernel package for lenny anywhere? |
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| 14:16.38 | aetheria_ | you can build one with make-kpkg |
| 14:16.48 | E-bola | I cant download one? |
| 14:17.00 | E-bola | the reason im asking is i have a problem with 2.6.26 |
| 14:17.07 | E-bola | it fails to install from apt-get/aptitude |
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| 14:17.28 | E-bola | and it seems very hard to debug |
| 14:18.08 | overleaf | Raven737: what are you looking for? |
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| 14:19.43 | adb | E-bola: short solution : reinstall the system |
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| 14:20.43 | abrotman | E-bola: do you have an error message from the .26 install ? |
| 14:20.54 | E-bola | abrtoman: let me fetch one |
| 14:21.01 | E-bola | i even tried reading the postinstall script |
| 14:21.26 | E-bola | originally it complaint about a link already being present, so i tried to delete the initrd.img and vmlinuz links in my / |
| 14:21.33 | E-bola | (might have been a dumb idea but....) |
| 14:21.47 | E-bola | I then tried to install the kernel again, but it now fails with (pastebinning) |
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| 14:22.54 | E-bola | http://paste.debian.net/22712/ |
| 14:23.15 | E-bola | I must admit i cant figure out how to debug it |
| 14:23.32 | abrotman | the link error isn't real |
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| 14:24.08 | E-bola | hmm ok? Can you figure out what the issue is then? |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | E-bola: put a 'set -x' after the shebang in the postinst (/var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:26.09 | abrotman | and fix lastfm while you're at ti |
| 14:26.09 | E-bola | you mean on: /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-1-686.postinst line 569 ? |
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| 14:26.23 | aetheria_ | actually you can just put #!/bin/sh -x |
| 14:26.28 | abrotman | no .. line 2 |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | it will create *a lot* of output |
| 14:26.32 | E-bola | ohh |
| 14:26.51 | abrotman | does that mean you're not fixing lastfm? |
| 14:26.52 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:27.02 | E-bola | Ile get right on it after we've fixed this :) |
| 14:27.02 | jelly | allots a lot of space for the output |
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| 14:27.19 | E-bola | hmm i still dont get it hehe |
| 14:27.33 | E-bola | line 2 of /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-1-686.postinst |
| 14:27.40 | E-bola | its a perl script... |
| 14:27.50 | abrotman | E-bola: paste the first 10 lines of the script |
| 14:28.19 | abrotman | oh .. it is a perl script .. evil buggers |
| 14:28.20 | E-bola | http://paste.debian.net/22713/ |
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| 14:30.28 | abrotman | E-bola: put the set -x in your update-grub script |
| 14:31.31 | E-bola | ok |
| 14:31.37 | E-bola | and then try and install the kernel again? |
| 14:32.04 | abrotman | yep |
| 14:32.11 | Raven737 | overleaf: when the system is starting i see (partially in red) "Will now mount local filesystems: Error: cannot mount filesystem".. in the logs/dmesg i don't see that |
| 14:33.15 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps I made a hickup |
| 14:33.24 | abrotman | hiccup ? |
| 14:33.29 | bbelt16ag | um I linked a file into my /home.. |
| 14:33.33 | E-bola | http://paste.debian.net/22714/ |
| 14:33.37 | E-bola | Indeed alot of output |
| 14:33.39 | bbelt16ag | I want a link to it into my /home/saidfolder.. |
| 14:33.56 | bbelt16ag | but um I got /home/contents of folder |
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| 14:33.59 | abrotman | E-bola: and if you run `update-grub` on its own ? |
| 14:34.01 | bbelt16ag | like a 20 files.. |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | praises grub2 |
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| 14:34.27 | bbelt16ag | any ideas on what I should do about this? can I delete the unwanted files in /home w/o deleteing the parent files? |
| 14:34.48 | E-bola | update-grub on its own: http://paste.debian.net/22715/ |
| 14:35.09 | abrotman | looks to also be failing |
| 14:35.10 | E-bola | abortman: its not making me a whole lot wiser hehe |
| 14:35.19 | E-bola | i cant spot what its failing on |
| 14:35.43 | abrotman | E-bola: it appears to be unhappy about the grub root device |
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| 14:35.51 | bbelt16ag | nm |
| 14:35.57 | abrotman | E-bola: do you have some sort of software or hardware raid? |
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| 14:36.06 | E-bola | abrtoman: a hardware raid yes |
| 14:36.21 | E-bola | 18:04.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 01) |
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| 14:36.50 | feroz | How do you set permissions on a device node from udev rules? |
| 14:37.08 | abrotman | feroz: what are the current perms .. ls -l |
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| 14:37.57 | feroz | abrotman: 660 |
| 14:38.02 | E-bola | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498353 culd thuis be related=? |
| 14:38.14 | abrotman | feroz: ls -l includes a owner/group |
| 14:38.30 | E-bola | haha yep |
| 14:38.33 | E-bola | device map is wrong |
| 14:38.42 | feroz | abrotman: root/root |
| 14:38.49 | abrotman | feroz: which device? |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | E-bola: apparently the same bug |
| 14:39.13 | abrotman | E-bola: you got enough to get it going? |
| 14:39.23 | feroz | abrotman: i'd like to set permissions for a usb on /dev/bus/usb/00x/yyy |
| 14:39.30 | E-bola | abrotman: let me try i think this will do the trick |
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| 14:39.38 | abrotman | feroz: i'd guess you need a udev rule |
| 14:39.49 | j`ey | whats the package that has make in? |
| 14:39.55 | j`ey | like gcc-dev or something? :| |
| 14:40.00 | E-bola | Abrotman: bingo :) it installed succesfully |
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| 14:40.36 | feroz | abrotman: yes, but im having probs setting permissions on /dev/bus/usb, my rule sets permissions to /dev/usb |
| 14:40.45 | feroz | anythin i'm missing? |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | !b-e j`ey |
| 14:41.24 | dpkg | j`ey: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:41.50 | abrotman | feroz: they are symlinked? |
| 14:42.00 | j`ey | abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:42.38 | feroz | abrotman: no |
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| 14:43.37 | abrotman | perhaps the device hasn't been created yet? |
| 14:43.43 | abrotman | wait .. that doesnt make sense |
| 14:43.59 | sfears | i can see my camera using the lsusb command but can't seem to mount it with the mount command "special device /dev/sdb does not exist" |
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| 14:44.20 | feroz | Its there, i can change the permissions using chmod, but i'd like to do it using udev. |
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| 14:44.26 | joneal | Hi |
| 14:44.36 | feroz | hi joneal |
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| 14:45.33 | joneal | Hey that was supposed to go to my hilight window |
| 14:45.38 | E-bola | abrotman: hmm upon booting the 2.6.26 kernel it stalls at waiting for root filesystem.... |
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| 14:46.29 | E-bola | abrotman: and now the other kernels doesnt work either |
| 14:46.45 | joneal | Hi feroz |
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| 14:47.11 | joneal | I'm using irssi |
| 14:47.54 | j`ey | wth |
| 14:48.03 | j`ey | build-essential not found :| |
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| 14:48.41 | Gigantic_tiny | So, I reboot and "vesa" not found |
| 14:48.49 | Gigantic_tiny | wth |
| 14:48.59 | Gigantic_tiny | I don't even know how to fix that |
| 14:49.07 | Gigantic_tiny | becuz my lan is down |
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| 14:51.44 | sfears | help with accessing an internal sd card reader?? |
| 14:52.21 | h2os | what is the difference between debian-40r5-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso & debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:52.42 | fireba11 | guess |
| 14:52.58 | h2os | new stuff? |
| 14:53.21 | fireba11 | etchnhalf as the name says .. new kernel |
| 14:53.45 | h2os | plus etchhalf doesn't boot |
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| 14:54.00 | j`ey | garh |
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| 14:54.12 | j`ey | apt-get install build essentia; = fail |
| 14:54.18 | j`ey | *; |
| 14:54.20 | j`ey | *l |
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| 14:54.33 | petemc | you appear to be doing it wrong |
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| 14:54.46 | j`ey | i do? |
| 14:54.55 | petemc | yes |
| 14:55.13 | j`ey | any further explanation? |
| 14:55.34 | petemc | apt-get install build-essential |
| 14:55.44 | petemc | you should be using aptitude, too |
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| 14:55.51 | j`ey | well, neither work :| |
| 14:56.03 | j`ey | niether finds the package |
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| 14:56.10 | petemc | j`ey: pastebin the exact command and the error |
| 14:56.13 | sfears | sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/cam = special device /dev/sdb does not exist, i can seem to get into that either |
| 14:56.17 | j`ey | eugh |
| 14:56.26 | j`ey | petemc: i dont have the nets on that machine, one sec |
| 14:56.52 | petemc | j`ey: so what medium are you installing from ? |
| 14:57.12 | j`ey | cd i had hoped? |
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| 14:57.28 | petemc | you shouldnt have to guess |
| 14:57.29 | j`ey | i assumed that it would be on there? |
| 14:57.41 | j`ey | well like |
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| 14:57.49 | j`ey | i installed wireless-tools from there |
| 14:57.53 | petemc | sounds like thats what you need to investigate, rather than coming here and talking about fail |
| 14:58.12 | j`ey | well |
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| 14:58.12 | j`ey | as i just said |
| 14:58.15 | j`ey | wireless-tools worked |
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| 14:58.54 | j`ey | from the cd |
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| 15:01.54 | j`ey | i tried apt-cdrom add |
| 15:02.00 | j`ey | aptitude update |
| 15:02.11 | j`ey | then aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:02.15 | j`ey | but still no luck :| |
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| 15:04.41 | sfears | sudo mount /dev/lsusb /media -t ufs |
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| 15:12.25 | j`ey | does anyone know why i might be expereiencing problems installing build-essential from the cd? |
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| 15:14.56 | hoxu | !basic apt-get troubleshooting |
| 15:14.57 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also provide us with your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 15:15.20 | j`ey | thanks |
| 15:16.57 | kbrandt | Is there a way to see when a package was installed, and see what else was isntalled aroudn the same time? |
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| 15:17.56 | stew | kbrandt: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:19.25 | stew | kbrandt: or /var/log/aptitude |
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| 15:21.56 | j`ey | hoxu: whats the apt-cahce bit? |
| 15:22.02 | j`ey | ohh nvm |
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| 15:22.43 | j`ey | i cant really paste |
| 15:22.48 | j`ey | since i dont have access to the internet.. |
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| 15:23.28 | kbrandt | stew: Thanks, think I must have installed lighttpd when trying to build chrome for some reason, was wondering where the hell it came from :-P |
| 15:24.01 | j`ey | but, aptitude install build-essential returns package not found |
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| 15:24.08 | j`ey | apt-cache returns package not found |
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| 15:24.20 | j`ey | and source.list has like |
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| 15:24.49 | abrotman | E-bola: did you get it fixed? |
| 15:25.13 | E-bola | abrotman: had to work on something else, but im working on it again |
| 15:25.20 | E-bola | its definately related to the device.map file |
| 15:25.24 | j`ey | deb cdrom etchan_half netisnt etc etch main |
| 15:25.26 | abrotman | !waiting for root |
| 15:25.29 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 15:25.31 | E-bola | but i cant figure out what to put in there |
| 15:25.46 | E-bola | i tried to just put sda instaid of hda, but that didnt do the trick |
| 15:25.55 | abrotman | !tell E-bola about waiting root |
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| 15:26.45 | E-bola | i checked those entries long ago |
| 15:26.48 | E-bola | they correctly specify sda |
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| 15:27.31 | oxi | hi |
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| 15:27.58 | oxi | is it possible to clone an openvz vserver to a vm? |
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| 15:29.52 | j`ey | argh |
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| 15:30.59 | j`ey | http://paste.debian.net/22723/ |
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| 15:31.42 | j`ey | okay.. so anyone know my pborlem? :| |
| 15:32.24 | abrotman | j`ey: do you have http sources? or just the netinet ? |
| 15:32.26 | abrotman | netinst |
| 15:32.33 | j`ey | just the netisnt.. |
| 15:32.47 | abrotman | why don't tyou have http sources? |
| 15:32.56 | j`ey | wireless doesnt work :| |
| 15:33.01 | jelly | j`ey: you don't have network, and it seems no network mirror is configured or enabled, so there's no place for apt to find build-essential at |
| 15:33.02 | abrotman | wired? |
| 15:33.21 | j`ey | well, why doesnt it use the cd? |
| 15:33.37 | jelly | j`ey: it's not available on netinst? |
| 15:33.42 | j`ey | wierd |
| 15:33.44 | j`ey | i read it was |
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| 15:34.14 | jelly | j`ey: have you checked the actual contents of the cd and found the package? |
| 15:34.43 | j`ey | ill try that now |
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| 15:35.42 | jelly | doesn't see build-essential on an oldish etch netinst |
| 15:35.47 | abrotman | j`ey: what's wrong with a wired connection ? |
| 15:36.28 | jelly | maybe he's allergic to ether. |
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| 15:37.10 | j`ey | well |
| 15:37.16 | j`ey | i dont want to move the comp |
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| 15:40.29 | jelly | j`ey: move it. problem solved. |
| 15:40.42 | j`ey | well, i have to move it.. |
| 15:40.46 | j`ey | then wire it.. then move it back |
| 15:41.34 | jelly | oh noes! |
| 15:41.34 | petemc | much better to keep on trying to install packages from that netinstall cd |
| 15:41.35 | j`ey | well, i read it was on the cd.. |
| 15:41.35 | E-bola | abrtoman: ive narrowed it down. i have found my problem more specific, when i run update-grub it wrongly changes the root fs in menu.1st to hda instaid of sda |
| 15:41.35 | jelly | yeah, especially nonexisting ones |
| 15:41.35 | j`ey | maybe its not anymore or something |
| 15:41.35 | E-bola | if i change it manualy to sda everything works |
| 15:41.35 | E-bola | but i cant figure out why grub keeps insisting on my root being hda |
| 15:41.35 | OpenTokix | j`ey: burn a full dvd ? |
| 15:41.58 | j`ey | hmm |
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| 15:44.47 | d-b | E-bola: set the grub default to the correct disk number |
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| 15:44.53 | E-bola | lol ya |
| 15:45.00 | E-bola | i jsut realized its defined in menu.1st doh |
| 15:45.04 | d-b | yep. |
| 15:45.09 | d-b | ^^ |
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| 15:48.37 | j`ey | is having no luck today |
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| 15:49.20 | biopyte | hello, i'd like to talk music software and linux. whats the right channel for this? anybody with experience in midi recording here? |
| 15:49.38 | biopyte | using debian lenny |
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| 15:53.06 | j`ey | last time, dmesg gave ,e the special device for the usb key.. |
| 15:53.09 | j`ey | now it isnt :| |
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| 15:57.45 | JBastos | !mirrors |
| 15:57.45 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 15:58.27 | LnxSlck | hello guys |
| 15:58.34 | LnxSlck | how to install flash using apt? |
| 15:58.46 | dtcrshr | LnxSlck first, apt-cache search flash |
| 15:58.53 | LnxSlck | yes |
| 15:58.56 | LnxSlck | i know that much |
| 15:58.57 | dtcrshr | then apt-get install <same name you found> |
| 15:59.03 | stew | LnxSlck: you want to install a free player? or the non-free player from adobe? |
| 15:59.14 | stew | LnxSlck: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:59.17 | LnxSlck | stew, the adobe one |
| 15:59.19 | LnxSlck | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:59.38 | LnxSlck | i do that and i get that package is not found, but its referenced by another package |
| 15:59.44 | LnxSlck | how do i silve this |
| 15:59.47 | LnxSlck | stew, lenny |
| 16:00.17 | stew | LnxSlck: its not in lenny, you'll have to get it from unstable (you can download it from http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree) |
| 16:00.34 | LnxSlck | stew, do i have to change my debian to unstable? |
| 16:00.42 | LnxSlck | or just download and install that one package? |
| 16:00.43 | stew | LnxSlck: certainly not |
| 16:00.51 | biopyte | i want to reconfigure my xserver. however, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' only asks for keyboard stuff but nothing about graphics. whats going on here? |
| 16:00.57 | LnxSlck | stew, ok |
| 16:01.02 | stew | LnxSlck: just download the one package from that website, and install it with "dpkg -i foo.deb" |
| 16:01.12 | LnxSlck | stew, thank you kind sir |
| 16:01.17 | stew | biopyte: the other stuff is now automatically detected at runtime |
| 16:01.23 | LnxSlck | biopyte, you can edit the xorg.conf by hand |
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| 16:04.43 | biopyte | stew,LnxSlck. i wondered why my xorg.conf was naked in the graphics part, though I didnt change it. besides, X is working fine. so thats a conceptual change, right. however where can i read out the actual settings made at runtime? |
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| 16:05.27 | valdyn | biopyte: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:05.36 | biopyte | ok |
| 16:06.26 | stew | and xrandr and xdpyinfo |
| 16:06.31 | biopyte | valdyn: and how to override these? just by writing xorg.conf by hand or is there another helper program? |
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| 16:07.08 | LnxSlck | biopyte, writing by hand works |
| 16:07.10 | LnxSlck | just fine |
| 16:07.16 | stew | biopyte: you can change things at runtime with things like xrandr or xset depending on what you want to change, or you edit xorg.conf |
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| 16:08.00 | xittum | The best way to set up a driver would be? -> Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI use module assistent or the new driver from kernel 2.6.26 and newer? |
| 16:08.21 | LnxSlck | stew, i guess there's no package for powerpc debian right? |
| 16:08.25 | xittum | *2.6.24 i think is the kernel with some sort of new driver |
| 16:08.31 | d-b | LnxSlck: ppc ? |
| 16:08.45 | LnxSlck | d-b, yes |
| 16:08.51 | LnxSlck | d-b, debian powerpc version |
| 16:08.53 | LnxSlck | os[Linux 2.6.26-1-powerpc ppc] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x 7447A (PowerBook6,5) @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical: 754.9MB, 53.1% free] disk[Total: 9.5GB, 43.3% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc M9+ 5C63 [Radeon Mobility 9200] sound[PMac Snapper - PowerMac Snapper] |
| 16:08.54 | d-b | of course there are packages for ppc. |
| 16:09.06 | LnxSlck | d-b, i mean the flash plugin form adobe |
| 16:09.07 | stew | LnxSlck: for flash? probably not from adobe, there is gnash as a free alternative |
| 16:09.13 | d-b | ah well i doubt it. |
| 16:09.20 | LnxSlck | stew, i know gnash.. it-s pretty lame |
| 16:09.25 | LnxSlck | lame/buggy |
| 16:09.32 | d-b | you would need adobe to compile it for ppc. well at least gnash works. |
| 16:09.47 | valdyn | biopyte: both |
| 16:09.57 | d-b | LnxSlck: if you really need flash, use a remote web browser. |
| 16:09.59 | LnxSlck | d-b, why can't just flash be banned from the web? |
| 16:10.03 | d-b | (which has flash) |
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| 16:10.25 | biopyte | LnxSlck,stew: now I understand why my X behaves slower than it used to be. clicking the gnome panel is always delayed now. xdpyinfo tells something about Composite. i dont think i want that and this causes the slowdown. |
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| 16:10.49 | valdyn | biopyte: you would most probably see if composite is enabled |
| 16:10.58 | valdyn | biopyte: not just a slowdown |
| 16:11.02 | biopyte | valdyn: how? |
| 16:11.15 | valdyn | biopyte: shadows around windows for instance |
| 16:11.32 | valdyn | biopyte: the extension composite being listed does not imply that its in use |
| 16:11.37 | xittum | anyone that knows if a RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
| 16:11.53 | valdyn | xittum: get that 2.6.24 kernel from etchnhalf and see |
| 16:11.55 | xittum | would work with the module assistent or new kernel? |
| 16:11.58 | biopyte | valdyn, now you mention it. yes, there are shadows. |
| 16:12.18 | xittum | valdyn: well.. i now im not supposed to get support on lenny but ;) |
| 16:12.20 | valdyn | biopyte: are you using kde or gnome? |
| 16:12.31 | biopyte | besides, playing videos the quality decreased. i'm afraid its using only the 16 bit color depth. |
| 16:12.38 | biopyte | gnome |
| 16:12.38 | xittum | just wondering what would be the best choice |
| 16:12.50 | LnxSlck | xittum, i don-t know |
| 16:13.45 | valdyn | biopyte: run gconf-editor and go apps->metacity->general and switch off the compositing_manager |
| 16:13.58 | biopyte | valdyn, moving windows is not as smooth it used to be. how can i turn off that composite stuff? |
| 16:14.02 | biopyte | ok |
| 16:14.34 | valdyn | biopyte: theres no noticable slowdown on my nvidia 8500 so uh |
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| 16:14.47 | valdyn | biopyte: either you have yet cheaper hardware or its something else |
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| 16:17.40 | valdyn | xittum: the lenny kernel should be even better |
| 16:17.45 | valdyn | xittum: 2.6.26 |
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| 16:18.43 | valdyn | xittum: mind, you need firmware for this thing afaik, see dmesg |
| 16:18.46 | StarkD | ANyone got a tip on a blog/feed with general information what's going on in the Debian project and future plans? |
| 16:18.51 | amphi | biopyte: perhaps the card is using some power saving mode |
| 16:19.14 | valdyn | StarkD: planetdebian.org has blogs |
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| 16:19.23 | biopyte | valdyn, i'm back. unchecking the composite option immediately killed my xserver. |
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| 16:19.53 | valdyn | biopyte: oh well, if that uncheck is not saved, you can google for the commandline way to change gconf settings |
| 16:20.03 | valdyn | biopyte: if it is saved, just start X again |
| 16:20.12 | biopyte | i have intel onboard graphics here (X3000 i think) and composite definitly is slowing down. observed that already before. |
| 16:20.13 | xittum | valdyn: hmmm - its funny that hardcore-foss-fedora has got support out of the box while debian do not... i guess it should be possible without binary-crap and so on |
| 16:20.23 | StarkD | valdyn: "this domain may be for sale" |
| 16:20.44 | valdyn | xittum: not funny, debian just has no firmware by default because firmware is pretty much always non-free |
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| 16:20.56 | valdyn | StarkD: uh |
| 16:21.25 | valdyn | StarkD: planet.debian.net |
| 16:21.36 | biopyte | valdyn, fine. composite deactivated the gnome panel is responsive fast again and moving windows is seemlessly |
| 16:21.43 | biopyte | thank you. |
| 16:22.24 | xittum | valdyn: yes but i wonder - has fedora lowered their standard for closed source software?.. anyway.. dmesg shows firmware errors... hmmm - i guess debian-admimnistration.org will help here :) |
| 16:22.34 | StarkD | valdyn: thats seems to more of a general technical blog, not so much about debian itself |
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| 16:26.48 | george_xtr | Is there any flash plugin for firefox different that adobe flash player? |
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| 16:28.39 | hoxu | "There is a group-utmp-to-root privilege escalation vulnerability in /bin/login in Debian, and I expect in all other Linux distros." http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/498769/30/0/threaded |
| 16:28.44 | hoxu | in case someone missed that |
| 16:29.11 | StarkD | george_xtr: gnash i think |
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| 16:29.57 | StarkD | george_xtr: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 16:30.05 | george_xtr | thanks |
| 16:31.33 | enouf | StarkD: try http://wiki.debian.org/ProjectNews/ maybe |
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| 16:33.19 | StarkD | enouf: excellent thanks |
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| 16:49.39 | [Aaron] | are scripts in /etc/init.d/ ONLY executed on bootup if they are linked from something in the /etc/rc directory? |
| 16:50.03 | [Aaron] | I have a script (simple one liner) that I want to run each time the pooter starts, no matter what. |
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| 16:50.04 | enouf | hoxu: interesting storyline ;-) |
| 16:50.15 | ampex | has anyone experienced the cupsd web interface freezing when adding certain printers? |
| 16:50.23 | enouf | loves his pooter |
| 16:50.38 | SystemFAILURE | loves his Canon Pixma MP140 |
| 16:50.47 | enouf | [Aaron]: depends, but in general, yep |
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| 16:51.35 | [Aaron] | i just need to execute "mdadm --monitor --scan" |
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| 16:52.23 | enouf | [Aaron]: /msg dpkg runlevels , /msg dpkg startup , /msg dpkg init.d |
| 16:52.30 | nite613 | [Aaron]: You can make your own script in init.d and link it properly from rc2.d, or you could add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 16:52.39 | enouf | [Aaron]: checkout /etc/default/mdadm |
| 16:53.14 | enouf | you could even use rc.local |
| 16:53.21 | enouf | again - depending |
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| 16:53.24 | [Aaron] | hehe |
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| 16:54.12 | [Aaron] | that dpkg msg is nice. |
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| 16:55.42 | DJCiP | how do i setup ntp so that my sysclock syncs with my hardware clock on boot ? |
| 16:56.11 | DJCiP | or rather... everything ntp syncs - it also syncs my hardware clock |
| 16:57.58 | koollman | DJCiP: that's what hwclock do (in /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh and /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh) |
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| 16:58.04 | enouf | --systohc ? (IIRC, then upon each shutdown, hc script saves sys time) |
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| 17:01.06 | linkslice | I ran apt-get upgrade on an etch system and mysql is broken I get the following errors: http://pastebin.com/d4065a87 |
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| 17:01.17 | stew | DJCiP: yes, it will sync at shutdown, or you can run "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop" at any time to sync the hardware clock |
| 17:01.33 | enouf | linkslice: did you run update prior? |
| 17:01.38 | linkslice | enouf, yes |
| 17:02.10 | alcohol | linkslice: perhaps the user set for the control tool does not exist anymore |
| 17:02.22 | linkslice | huh? |
| 17:03.05 | enouf | linkslice: try apt-get install -f |
| 17:03.06 | stew | linkslice: what happens when you run "mysqld" as root? |
| 17:03.24 | alcohol | linkslice: /etc/init.d/mysql uses a debian user I believe |
| 17:03.39 | alcohol | and is also used to stop mysql when using apt-get update and such |
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| 17:03.40 | linkslice | I found the error |
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| 17:04.30 | [Aaron] | hmm. added my line to bootmisc.sh and now she wont boot :( |
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| 17:05.52 | S-i-A | hi all, ncftp worked fine but EDIT isn't work, i add the $EDITOR in .bachrc, but i can't edit file http://paste.debian.net/22733/. |
| 17:06.35 | stew | S-i-A: can you quit ncftp and show us the output of "echo $EDITOR" ? |
| 17:06.37 | [Aaron] | haha, i forgot to add the daemonize command so the bootmisc.sh script is hanging open. hello live linux cd! don't fail me now! |
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| 17:07.22 | S-i-A | stew: yes 'echo $EDITOR' output is empty :) |
| 17:08.09 | stew | S-i-A: show us what you added to .bashrc |
| 17:08.24 | jhamlin | I'm currently mounting a network share with an smbfs entry in my fstab. Is changing "smbfs" to "cifs" the only thing I need to do to switch over to cifs? |
| 17:08.31 | stew | S-i-A: wait, you said, "i add the $EDITOR in .bachrc". did you really mean .bachrc or .bashrc? |
| 17:08.45 | S-i-A | oh srry |
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| 17:09.53 | S-i-A | stew: yes |
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| 17:10.29 | nochd | is it possible to have a non-/bin/sh postinst script in a deb? |
| 17:10.40 | Heavy-D | hey guys quick question... what's the command involving dd to zero a drive? |
| 17:10.51 | nochd | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 17:11.20 | Heavy-D | cool thanks nochd |
| 17:11.26 | nochd | np |
| 17:11.33 | S-i-A | stew: i add is correct file ~/.bashrc to, but stil worked not |
| 17:11.35 | nochd | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda is good too |
| 17:11.47 | stew | S-i-A: what did you add? |
| 17:12.02 | stew | "cp /dev/urandom /dev/whatever" is faster |
| 17:12.24 | jhamlin | Hmmm people sure seem to dislike samba.... (me too) |
| 17:12.25 | S-i-A | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22735/ |
| 17:12.34 | epsilon | Heavy-D: if you want to delete data, use shred |
| 17:12.34 | stew | but slower than "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/whatever bs=4M" |
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| 17:13.00 | stew | S-i-A: what does "echo $SHELL" return? |
| 17:13.15 | Heavy-D | nah I just want to wipe the drive |
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| 17:13.26 | epsilon | so shred |
| 17:13.27 | Heavy-D | or what command do I use with shred? |
| 17:13.33 | S-i-A | stew: '/bin/bash' |
| 17:13.35 | epsilon | man shred |
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| 17:13.44 | Heavy-D | k thx |
| 17:13.47 | epsilon | easier than dealing with dd |
| 17:14.16 | Heavy-D | shred available on debian live cds? |
| 17:14.25 | Heavy-D | *is |
| 17:14.38 | nochd | is it possible to have a non-/bin/sh postinst script in a deb? I put #!/bin/bash at the top, but it still invokes /bin/sh |
| 17:15.28 | S-i-A | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22736/ |
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| 17:16.04 | stew | nochd: yes, there are even postinst scripts written in C |
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| 17:16.22 | stew | cahoot: and #!/bin/bash should definately invoke bash |
| 17:16.26 | stew | nochd: ^^ |
| 17:16.31 | stew | cahoot: i don't know why i'd tell you taht |
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| 17:16.53 | nochd | stew: that's what I thought, when I do a dpkg -I, it specifically lists /bin/sh for each script as though it's something that could be changed. So how do I do that? |
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| 17:17.37 | melfar | Hello. I would like to install mysql-server 5.1, can anyone point me to a stable pkg if one is available? Googling leads me to expiremntal versions only |
| 17:17.41 | nochd | stew: is just changing the shebang good enough? |
| 17:18.03 | stew | nochd: changing the shebang should be good enough |
| 17:18.03 | jelly | sees a blootbot.postinst: a /usr/bin/perl -w script text executable |
| 17:18.03 | S-i-A | any idea? |
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| 17:18.16 | epsilon | mysql 5.1 is no yet recommended to install |
| 17:18.22 | nochd | stew: damn, alright thanks, I'll play with it some more |
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| 17:18.54 | epsilon | 5.1 is still release critical beta-ware, SUN just labeled it stable |
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| 17:19.00 | nochd | jelly: thanks I'll look at that pkg |
| 17:19.13 | jelly | nochd: and sure thing, dpkg -I says 4951 bytes, 146 lines * postinst #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 17:19.13 | S-i-A | stew: ?! |
| 17:19.38 | melfar | epsilon, I'm eager to try partitioning on production database |
| 17:19.55 | melfar | Although if it can lead to data corruption, I'll better wait |
| 17:20.06 | nochd | jelly: I'm baffled I have #!/bin/bash at the head of my postinst script but the dpkg -I lists it as /bin/sh and is running it with /bin/sh, I'll look at that pkg though, thanks |
| 17:20.13 | stew | S-i-A: did you start a new shell since making the change to .bashrc |
| 17:20.14 | stew | ? |
| 17:20.23 | S-i-A | no |
| 17:20.25 | S-i-A | ok |
| 17:20.34 | jelly | nochd: perhaps you didn't remake the .deb |
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| 17:21.32 | S-i-A | stew: now worked |
| 17:21.36 | S-i-A | thank u |
| 17:22.16 | jelly | nochd: dpkg -e foo.deb somewhere/ and verify the scripts are really the versions you want them to be |
| 17:22.34 | unop | Would anyone know why gnome-power-manager fails to suspend or hibernate a laptop even though I can get it to suspend using pm-utils? All I get is a warning saying "sleep problem: your computer failed to suspend, check the help file for common problems" - but which help file?? |
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| 17:27.04 | nochd | jelly: oh shit, I'm using some build tools at work and they changed the package build scripts to install a generic postinst script that does some common stuff and then calls the postinst script you gave it using /bin/sh |
| 17:27.18 | nochd | jelly: dpkg -e helped, thanksk |
| 17:27.49 | jelly | nochd: eww |
| 17:28.19 | jelly | wrappers in wrappers in wrappers |
| 17:28.36 | clever | something changed in lenny:S |
| 17:28.44 | clever | not getting as many cache hits |
| 17:28.57 | unop | how would i find out what packages are on the first CD of a distribution? |
| 17:29.07 | unop | err, release* |
| 17:29.30 | dustybin | clever: have you wols yet? |
| 17:29.33 | dustybin | *met |
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| 17:29.55 | clever | dustybin: met who? |
| 17:30.19 | nochd | jelly: ya, they have a bad habit of needlessly repackaging common packages, makes upgrading to newer versions a serious PITA |
| 17:30.22 | dustybin | clever: he hangs in this channel :) he likes guys like us :) |
| 17:30.30 | clever | ahh, not yet |
| 17:30.34 | clever | atleast not recently |
| 17:31.01 | clever | ive got a minor problem with the initrd package, it asks to abort the install because my boot loader isnt set to use it |
| 17:31.30 | clever | i expect i can extract the control info, or steal a peek in /var/lib/dpkg and fake the config |
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| 17:32.01 | clever | but for now, im working on shrinking the root and booting faster |
| 17:32.37 | jhamlin | I can mount as user but I cant view/edit files only as root. What's wrong with my fstab entry?? "//IP/User\040Files /home/foo/fooserv_user_files cifs user,uid=1000,credentials=/root/.samba/fooserve 0 0" |
| 17:32.49 | jhamlin | cant --> can |
| 17:33.49 | clever | dustybin: for some reason, my debootstrap failed, but a 2nd pass over the root worked and now its booting |
| 17:34.13 | dustybin | o_0 |
| 17:34.25 | clever | something about init and /dev/initctl |
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| 17:35.08 | clever | automatic reboot within rc.local to patch up a problem with nfs:) |
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| 17:35.59 | clever | oops |
| 17:36.05 | clever | im doing apt-get update on bootup:P |
| 17:37.14 | clever | its only a one time script to finalyze the install |
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| 17:41.29 | stew | jhamlin: you might need to add a umask option |
| 17:42.55 | jelly | you're a clever one aintcha |
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| 17:47.11 | clever | dustybin: minor problems, all my libs are missing |
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| 18:08.31 | hoxu | !flw |
| 18:08.39 | hoxu | !ping |
| 18:08.40 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:08.43 | hoxu | who broke flw? |
| 18:08.51 | clever | [hoxu PING reply]: 10922milisec |
| 18:09.08 | hoxu | !ping |
| 18:09.08 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:09.12 | clever | [hoxu PING reply]: 3187milisec |
| 18:09.18 | hoxu | clever, turn that off please |
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| 18:10.11 | jhamlin | stew: I tried using "cifs user,uid=1000,credentials=/root/.samba/fooserver,dir_mode=0777,file_mode=0777" but still have the same problem. I'm at a bit of a loss here.... |
| 18:10.14 | clever | hoxu: 90% of my scripts are now disabled in here |
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| 18:11.05 | hoxu | I don't think the remaining 10% are eligible for special treatment :p |
| 18:11.49 | clever | the remaining 10% is random stuff that doesnt use the global checkblocks function |
| 18:11.58 | clever | it would take a week to find that and update it |
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| 18:12.06 | clever | i'll update them as they cause problems |
| 18:12.12 | clever | i have a total of 3859 lines(144.27KB) of code in my remote section and a average of 203.105263 lines(7.59KB) in the 19 files |
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| 18:12.24 | clever | or you can pay me to go thru 4000 lines of code:P |
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| 18:15.05 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 18:15.07 | stew | jhamlin: show us the output of "ls -l /some/file/that/you/cant/edit" ? |
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| 18:16.11 | bbelt16ag | I am trying to use cygwin to backup my windows box with a dar script........ are there windows file I can't backup in docs and settings? I am getting errors that it can't copy files error code 5 .. other then that everything else should be off line and accessible |
| 18:16.56 | jhamlin | stew if I run as a normal user (not root) I get: "ls: fooserver_user_files/: Permission denied" |
| 18:17.12 | hoxu | bbelt16ag, this is #debian, not #windows |
| 18:17.18 | bbelt16ag | oops sorry |
| 18:17.20 | stew | jhamlin: run it as root |
| 18:17.22 | hoxu | bbelt16ag, sorry, ##windows |
| 18:17.38 | bbelt16ag | my bad |
| 18:17.46 | clever | jhamlin: i would check the 'id' output and the perms on every dir in the chain |
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| 18:18.32 | dazjorz | bbelt16ag: you probably want to go to #cygwin, not ##windows, though |
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| 18:19.26 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 18:19.40 | \amethyst | jhamlin: is the server samba or Windows? |
| 18:20.05 | bbelt16ag | not really having problmes with cygwing |
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| 18:21.50 | HarbingerX | bbelt16ag: what windows version? |
| 18:22.07 | funky | do the packages in experimental replace any of those in sid ? |
| 18:22.20 | HarbingerX | please don't say vista |
| 18:22.43 | Kobaz | well we all know what vista stands for right...? |
| 18:22.54 | Kobaz | Viruses Infections Spyware Trogins and Adware |
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| 18:23.31 | bbelt16ag | XP |
| 18:24.06 | bbelt16ag | I figured out a way ... I am gonna test the archives. and then pipe it out put to a log file and then grep the log fill for errors.. |
| 18:24.37 | HarbingerX | ah ok, in that case I'm going to go back to my debian issue then :) |
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| 18:27.51 | unfo | hi all. I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1-686 on a recently updated lenny on a 7-year-old PC. "cat /sys/power/state" says "standby disk". But standby mode doesn't turn off the video card, so I doubt it's so low-power. Why doesn't it also say "mem"? |
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| 18:29.32 | sj_jan | Hello, need some Help |
| 18:29.53 | HarbingerX | does anyone know if Debian v4 r5 comes with the module for the ralink chipset for the linksys wmp54g wireless g pci adapter? rt2500 I think it is.....I know from my searches that ubuntu's latest kernel includes it but I can't seem to get it tor work on debian and I can't find anything about it with google |
| 18:29.55 | unfo | sj_jan: hi, please don't tell us that, just ask your question :) on one long long line. |
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| 18:30.47 | HarbingerX | like I just did :D |
| 18:31.00 | jhamlin | stew: as root `ls -l fooserver_user/user/files/` gives e.g.: "drwxrwxrwx 28 1042 crontab 0 2008-11-22 17:39 SomeUser" |
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| 18:31.22 | sj_jan | i tried to install Debian via Netinst disk on a virtualBox and at the step "Detecting Discs and all other hardware" the install stopped at 1 percent (sorry for my bad English) |
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| 18:35.05 | unfo | hi all. I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1-686 on a recently updated lenny on a 7-year-old PC. "dmesg" includes "ACPI: RSDT 0FFF0000, 0028 (r1 AMIINT SiS735XX 1000 MSFT 100000B)" and "supports S0 S1 S4 S5". "cat /sys/power/state" says "standby disk". But standby mode doesn't turn off the video card, so I doubt it's so low-power. Why doesn't it also say "mem"? |
| 18:35.32 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, i'm trying to install (from source) something that requires me to run ./bootstrap (some autoconf thing) -- it dies because i don't have autoxt (i tried to search for it with apt-file -- nothing comes up) -- anyone know what that is and what package may provide that? |
| 18:36.09 | unfo | mick_laptop: what are you installing from source? |
| 18:36.20 | sj_jan | need no more help, a reboot has done it :-) |
| 18:36.32 | unfo | sj_jan: good :) thank you for telling us. |
| 18:36.37 | mick_laptop | unfo: php-sat |
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| 18:36.47 | unfo | googles for debian php-sat |
| 18:37.15 | mick_laptop | it is a static analysis tool for php |
| 18:37.27 | mick_laptop | already uses pixy |
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| 18:38.20 | unfo | ah, I see http://www.program-transformation.org/PHP/PhpSatReleases says "Before you can configure the package using ./configure --enable-bootstrap you have to run the ./bootstrap script." |
| 18:38.21 | unfo | mick_laptop: ok first things first. Did you send an email to submit _at_ bugs.debian.org Package: wnpp requesting that they package it? You should always do that before compiling anything from source. |
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| 18:40.13 | HarbingerX | is there a way to find out what modules the kernel has (both loaded and unloaded)? |
| 18:40.22 | mick_laptop | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288007 |
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| 18:40.25 | unfo | HarbingerX: why? |
| 18:40.27 | rotw | hi |
| 18:40.31 | unfo | hi |
| 18:40.52 | mick_laptop | looks like the requirement is orphaned |
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| 18:41.09 | \amethyst | HarbingerX: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name \*.ko |
| 18:41.21 | \amethyst | HarbingerX: it will be a long list |
| 18:41.35 | amphi | HarbingerX: modprobe -l will list all available modules |
| 18:41.45 | amphi | HarbingerX: lsmod shows loaded modules |
| 18:41.47 | \amethyst | oh |
| 18:41.57 | \amethyst | amphi: didn't know modprobe -l, thanks |
| 18:42.07 | amphi | de nada |
| 18:42.26 | \amethyst | amphi: ah, the manpage says "see find(1) and basename(1) for a more flexible alternative." :) |
| 18:42.37 | unfo | mick_laptop: that bug is archived. You should open a new wnpp asking for them to re-maintain the requirement. Or you should take over maintenance of the requirement yourself. I can help you, and so can OFTC #debian-mentors. Would you like that? |
| 18:42.43 | HarbingerX | thanks....trying to find if my wifi card module is in the latest deb...according to ralink it has been in since the start of kernel 2.6 |
| 18:43.02 | unfo | HarbingerX: what module do you want? |
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| 18:43.27 | unfo | repeat : I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1-686 on a recently updated lenny on a 7-year-old PC. "dmesg" includes "ACPI: RSDT 0FFF0000, 0028 (r1 AMIINT SiS735XX 1000 MSFT 100000B)" and "supports S0 S1 S4 S5". "cat /sys/power/state" says "standby disk". But standby mode doesn't turn off the video card, so I doubt it's so low-power. Why doesn't it also say "mem"? |
| 18:43.30 | HarbingerX | according to ralink it is named rt2500 for my card |
| 18:43.49 | Sitron[] | Hi folks. I was about to report a bug, but then I saw that someone has already made a report.. But I want to comment, but how? |
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| 18:44.00 | unfo | Sitron[]: what bug number, and what is your comment? :) |
| 18:44.16 | Sitron[] | #482817 and "Yes, it does work" |
| 18:44.29 | unfo | HarbingerX: sudo modprobe rt2500usb or sudo modprobe rt2500pci. Does that work? |
| 18:44.52 | HarbingerX | hang on let me get on my pc |
| 18:44.56 | Sitron[] | Let me rephrase: #482817 and "Yes, portmap 6.0-9 does fix the bug!" |
| 18:45.26 | stew | Sitron[]: send email to 482817@bugs.debian.org |
| 18:45.27 | amphi | HarbingerX: modprobe -l | grep rt2500 |
| 18:45.46 | Sitron[] | stew: Subject does not matter? |
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| 18:46.16 | amphi | HarbingerX: 'lsmod | grep rt2500' also, perhaps |
| 18:46.17 | stew | Sitron[]: no |
| 18:46.25 | Sitron[] | stew: Great! |
| 18:46.25 | \amethyst | Sitron[]: the subject will be shown at the top of your mail on the bug's page |
| 18:46.31 | \amethyst | Sitron[]: so it should be human-readable |
| 18:46.31 | unfo | Sitron[]: a good subject, though, would be the one that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482817#87 uses. |
| 18:46.58 | unfo | Sitron[]: don't write "fixes the bug", write "solves the bug for me" |
| 18:47.00 | unfo | :) |
| 18:47.16 | Sitron[] | unfo: Yeah, I shortened it for IRC |
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| 18:48.42 | HarbingerX | nope, debian doesn't have the module...and I only installed the minimal install planning to update and such online |
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| 18:49.37 | unfo | HarbingerX: I have ordinary Debian, and it has the module. It is /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/*.ko for me |
| 18:49.50 | unfo | HarbingerX: check in that directory. |
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| 18:50.45 | HarbingerX | I would but I got Deb v4r5 and it has kernel 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:50.58 | HarbingerX | according to uname -a |
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| 18:56.44 | unfo | HarbingerX: check in that directory anyway. What do you see? |
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| 18:58.12 | fexy | I am attempting to access a lto 2 tape drive. There is no device created and st is not loaded at boot. http://rafb.net/p/2u83hD17.html |
| 18:58.21 | fexy | Any idea on troubleshooting this? |
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| 18:59.29 | fexy | debian:~# cat /etc/debian_version > |
| 18:59.29 | fexy | 4.0 |
| 18:59.40 | fexy | oh minus the > |
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| 19:02.13 | d00fus_ | Hi, I use Etch and KDE 3.5.5. I can't open 'gedit /etc/sysctl.conf' when I use Konsole for SU, but if I open a normal instance of Konsole & then become root, the same command seems to work. What gives? |
| 19:02.39 | clever | dustybin: i got my root down to 528mb and it can run mythbackend/transcode |
| 19:03.00 | mhymn_ | dooglus: use sudo, or sux i think |
| 19:03.01 | clever | its a bit fat, but still a crapload tinner then the ubuntu one at over 5gig(wine+/home+othercrap) |
| 19:03.04 | j`ey | hmm |
| 19:03.05 | mhymn_ | sorry |
| 19:03.10 | j`ey | i want to do a clean install |
| 19:03.15 | mhymn_ | d00fus_: use sudo, or sux i think |
| 19:03.17 | HarbingerX | unfo: there is no rtx00 module |
| 19:03.34 | unfo | HarbingerX: that directory does not exist? |
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| 19:04.01 | d00fus_ | when I use 'sudo', it works. But when I log-in directly to 'konsole --type su', it doesn't @ mhymn_ |
| 19:04.09 | becki | hi |
| 19:04.14 | unfo | hi |
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| 19:05.23 | mhymn_ | j`ey: you've got our permission |
| 19:05.24 | cahoot | använd dess uuid? |
| 19:05.35 | becki | i've got a programm which belongs to root and runns smbmount. now, i've done chmod +s, but i doesn't work, i get an error, that i should install mount.cifs setuided. but why doesn't my program work? |
| 19:05.38 | cahoot | sorry wrong |
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| 19:05.48 | unfo | cahoot: /msg dpkg se |
| 19:06.05 | d00fus_ | also, when I try to open normal instance of 'gedit' with superuser-terminal, it says "can not open display: (NULL)" |
| 19:06.14 | unfo | becki: what are you really trying to do? your main goal? |
| 19:06.50 | becki | that a user can mount smb shares. |
| 19:07.34 | xoz | d00fus_: superuser terminal use su... to have gedit run as root, use sudo. |
| 19:07.39 | becki | but i'm wondering why it doesn't work this way. with route, ifconfig and so on this method worked quiet well |
| 19:07.48 | xoz | d00fus_: su does not inherit your DISPLAY env. sudo does. |
| 19:07.52 | HarbingerX | unfo: no I went to /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ and no rt2x00 directory |
| 19:08.03 | unfo | HarbingerX: what dirs do you see? |
| 19:08.20 | unfo | xoz: why is there that difference? |
| 19:08.29 | unfo | why doesn't su inherit $DISPLAY? |
| 19:08.50 | xoz | unfo: su takes the root env. sudo takes your current shell env. |
| 19:09.03 | HarbingerX | unfo: bcm43xx, hostap, prism54, and zd1211nw |
| 19:09.14 | dooglus | mhymn_: I do |
| 19:09.20 | xoz | unfo: if they are the same, then there names should be the same. |
| 19:09.52 | d00fus_ | please take a look here @ xoz --- http://pastebin.ca/1273801 |
| 19:09.55 | xoz | s/there/their |
| 19:10.03 | mhymn_ | dooglus: sorry again dude, a typo! |
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| 19:10.50 | xoz | d00fus_: try gedit -display :0.0 |
| 19:11.11 | xoz | d00fus_: sudo + xterm works? |
| 19:11.18 | unfo | HarbingerX: odd. I see: adm8211.ko airo_cs.ko airo.ko arlan.ko at76_usb.ko ath5k atmel_cs.ko atmel.ko atmel_pci.ko [snip] p54 ray_cs.ko rndis_wlan.ko rt2x00 rtl8180.ko rtl8187.ko [snip], |
| 19:11.19 | unfo | All: Why does HarbingerX see so few? |
| 19:12.08 | d00fus_ | when I use simple terminal (NOT Root terminal) and then get root access, it works @ xoz, the problem is, I can not open gedit from Root Terminal |
| 19:12.29 | HarbingerX | I listed off directories because you said you had an actual rt2x00 directory under wireless and I don't have that directory under wireless |
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| 19:12.57 | xoz | d00fus_: i think the root terminal does not forward or inherits your environment. |
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| 19:13.18 | xoz | d00fus_: try env... check its different with env in ordinary term. |
| 19:13.48 | nan8 | xoz, d00fus_: you not only need DISPLAY but also XAUTHORITY |
| 19:14.00 | nan8 | xoz, d00fus_: see also sux |
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| 19:14.18 | xoz | d00fus_: i mean compare env in root terminal with env in ordinary terminal |
| 19:14.33 | xoz | !sux |
| 19:14.33 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
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| 19:14.40 | d00fus_ | ermmm.... how do I check that @ xoz? |
| 19:14.50 | unfo | HarbingerX: I have the directories: ath5k b43legacy b43 hostap iwlwifi libertas p54 rt2x00 zd1211rw |
| 19:15.10 | xoz | d00fus_: run root terminal. type, env |
| 19:15.11 | unfo | all: why does HarbingerX not have the rt2x00 directory? |
| 19:15.37 | HarbingerX | I thought rt2x00 was added at the start of the 2.6 kernel but guess not |
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| 19:15.49 | xoz | d00fus_: or type, env | grep -i "display" |
| 19:15.56 | unfo | HarbingerX: why not use a newer kernel then? |
| 19:16.01 | d00fus_ | let me pastebin it |
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| 19:16.23 | HarbingerX | I only updated a kernel once and it blew up on me |
| 19:16.31 | unfo | HarbingerX: it usually works fine. |
| 19:16.32 | ness | hi, how can I disable cpu frequency scaling? It randomly crashes my system. I use Debian (testing/lenny) on amd64 (athlon), the problematic module is powernow_k8 |
| 19:16.42 | d00fus_ | http://pastebin.ca/1273815 @ xoz |
| 19:16.52 | HarbingerX | plus I don't know much about my computer to configure the kernel after making it |
| 19:17.23 | d00fus_ | Yes, I think you are correct @ nan8, the 'env' doesn't say anything about 'XAUTH' whereas normal konsole display has line on XAUTH |
| 19:17.59 | xoz | d00fus_: yep. you can set the XAUTH if you want to use root term. |
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| 19:18.14 | xoz | d00fus_: DISPLAY also is not set |
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| 19:18.45 | d00fus_ | if I copy rest of the settings from normal term to RootTerm, will it have any negative effect? |
| 19:19.00 | xoz | d00fus_: try. |
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| 19:19.44 | xoz | d00fus_: root term is not meant for running x client... it is meant to do command line administration. |
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| 19:20.15 | d00fus_ | http://pastebin.ca/1273823 -- normal konsole environment @ xoz |
| 19:20.26 | xoz | d00fus_: the lesser environment variables is for security. running x clients as root is not advisable. |
| 19:21.03 | d00fus_ | but I seem to do the same from normal konsole session when I SU myself |
| 19:21.13 | nan8 | d00fus_: well, if you for example have a PATH variable including a path that is user writeable and creation of executables is allowed an attacker that successfully gained user rights might get root access that way |
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| 19:22.28 | d00fus_ | hhmmm..... I am wondering if all Root konsoles have similar 'env' as I have here? or is it something I screwed up? |
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| 19:23.31 | unfo | d00fus_: try (sudo gedit /etc/sysctl.conf) or better yet (sudo nano /etc/sysctl.conf) |
| 19:23.33 | becki | and how do i install cifs as root? |
| 19:24.05 | unfo | becki: you seem confused. How much is your linux knowledge? Are you at a company or at home? |
| 19:24.10 | HarbingerX | I want to update my kernel version but I'm worried that I won't configure it properly then I'll be stuck |
| 19:24.26 | unfo | HarbingerX: so install 2 kernel versions coexisting side-by-side. |
| 19:24.39 | nan8 | d00fus_: in general X does not protect applications on the same X server from each other good enough => best is not to run X apps as root |
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| 19:24.56 | HarbingerX | ok , hadn't thought about that :) |
| 19:25.31 | becki | unfo: doesn't matter. on every other application than smbmount it works... |
| 19:25.32 | unfo | mick_laptop: did you open / reopen any bugs yet? :) |
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| 19:25.38 | xoz | HarbingerX: recent update of kernel usually does not require any manual config from your part. |
| 19:25.41 | unfo | becki: please answer anyway. |
| 19:26.03 | becki | i'm workign with linux since 5 years |
| 19:26.06 | d00fus_ | Thanks guys! :) |
| 19:26.15 | unfo | d00fus_: you're welcome. |
| 19:26.20 | HarbingerX | where do you get the kernel source ? the kernel site or does debian have a separate site for the kernel? |
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| 19:26.50 | amphi | HarbingerX: why do you want to build your own kernel? |
| 19:26.55 | xoz | d00fus_: always run as ordinary user... and use sudo only if necessary... especially for x clients. |
| 19:27.02 | unfo | HarbingerX: the kernel is in aptitude. Do you not know all about aptitude already? |
| 19:27.24 | becki | and i set up the whole network at school and i don't have anything else than linux or netbsd, so my knowdelege can't be too bad... |
| 19:27.36 | d00fus_ | Yeah, but I have to sudo because I couldn't edit /etc/sysctl.conf otherwise @ xoz |
| 19:27.40 | xoz | HarbingerX: just aptitude install <kernel> |
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| 19:27.47 | HarbingerX | unfo: to be honest it has been two or so years and my linux memory is majorly rusty |
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| 19:28.07 | xoz | d00fus_: try using vim, emacs, nano.... not gedit which is xclient. |
| 19:28.10 | jeward | is there a default limit to the number of ptys sshd can allocate? And if so, how do I raise that limit? |
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| 19:28.35 | d00fus_ | oh....okay. I'll remember that |
| 19:28.50 | unfo | becki: do you have a good book about linux or unix system administration? or does your local university or technical school or public library have one? |
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| 19:29.58 | becki | define good ;) but i think so ;) |
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| 19:30.08 | unfo | becki: what does it say about how to share files via SMB? |
| 19:30.19 | HarbingerX | wait, doesn't aptitude download it from an online repository? |
| 19:30.38 | becki | unfo: how to set up a samba server and so on...? |
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| 19:30.46 | unfo | becki: did you? |
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| 19:30.54 | becki | yes |
| 19:31.01 | becki | it works well |
| 19:31.03 | unfo | HarbingerX: yes. You should use aptitude to download it, though, not a downloader tool. |
| 19:31.12 | unfo | becki: what was your support question again? |
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| 19:31.39 | becki | how can i run smbmount as a normal user and why does my "workaround" not work |
| 19:31.58 | unfo | becki: ah. that is clearer. I don't know the answer. All: who knows? |
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| 19:32.27 | becki | and my workaround worked well for everything than smbmount |
| 19:32.38 | HarbingerX | unfo: how do I do that if I have no internet connection? I'm on my laptop and it is my desktop that I'm not able to get online with...can't update the kernel cause it doesn't see my wifi card |
| 19:32.46 | becki | i'v wirtten a program in c which calls smbmount <fooo> and it says, iÄm not root |
| 19:33.02 | becki | but for everything else (route, ifconfig, mkfs, etc) it works |
| 19:33.09 | unfo | HarbingerX: I don't know. Ask the whole channel. |
| 19:33.17 | xingu | becki: linux ignores setuid on shellscript |
| 19:33.24 | becki | its not a shell script |
| 19:33.26 | unfo | HarbingerX: also: your laptop has no wired ethernet? |
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| 19:34.20 | xingu | becki: "... a program which belongs to root and runs smbmount" - what program? |
| 19:34.27 | becki | self written, in c |
| 19:34.35 | HarbingerX | my laptop is running vista as is my desktop's primary hdd but my secondary hdd is debian on my desktop and I replaced the wired card with the wifi card due to personal reasons |
| 19:35.06 | becki | xingu: [...] system ("[...]"); [...]. just a system() ;) |
| 19:35.09 | unfo | HarbingerX: how hard would it be to replace it back? |
| 19:35.14 | StAfZe6 | I'll think about it |
| 19:35.17 | FredZ | I was wanting to increase the n umber of loop devices on my 4.0R5 bare (minimal) install but when I run "modprobe loop loop_max=255" I get the following error "FATAL: Module loop not found." I don't have a clue what to look for. Any pointers would be helpfull. |
| 19:35.25 | becki | for ifconfig and so on, it works, but noch for smbmount |
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| 19:35.31 | HarbingerX | pretty hard since it is somewhere in the landfill by now |
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| 19:36.27 | xoz | becki: try strace |
| 19:36.31 | xingu | becki: here smbmount is a symlink to mount.smbfs which is a shellscript wrapper around mount.cifs |
| 19:36.32 | xoz | becki: or trace |
| 19:36.36 | asg | FredZ: iirc, it's max_loop=. Try 'modinfo loop' to be sure |
| 19:36.45 | unfo | HarbingerX: you should never throw out hardware. Get a new card on craigslist or kijiji maybe? |
| 19:36.56 | xingu | becki: mount.cifs is from smbfs - do you have this installed? |
| 19:37.00 | HarbingerX | plus I went wireless on everything, desktop, both laptops (mine and wife's), and PS3.......because my wife is in a wheelchair and the layout of the house made wires go across the floor, which made it hard for her to get around and our son kept tripping over them....thus why I went wireless |
| 19:37.20 | unfo | HarbingerX: fair enough. |
| 19:37.24 | becki | xingu: of course. if i wouldn't have it would say comman not found ;) |
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| 19:38.06 | grey | is the debian netinst iso appropriate to be used a rescue disk? I need something with grub+cciss support, |
| 19:38.26 | HarbingerX | could I download the repository file to say a usb storage drive and somehow update the kernel that way? |
| 19:38.35 | xingu | becki: mount.cifs is already setuid; which probably means it cares about fsuid rather than euid |
| 19:38.44 | unfo | HarbingerX: do you already have the dependencies A) module-init-tools and B) any of initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | yaird (>= 0.0.13) | linux-initramfs-tool ? |
| 19:39.05 | xingu | becki: see setfsuid; and possible, call it before exec in your wrapper. |
| 19:39.09 | FredZ | OK, I tried modinfo loop and get the following error "modinfo: could not find module loop" |
| 19:39.13 | xingu | s/possible/possibly/ |
| 19:39.39 | HarbingerX | unfo: probably not, I just did the minimal debian install |
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| 19:40.04 | unfo | HarbingerX: check anyway. Use aptitude to check. |
| 19:40.32 | becki | xingu: means for me? i thought if i run something as root, everythink this program runs, runs also as root... |
| 19:40.35 | jorgp | if a have a file call it beta1 and I want to use rsync to sync that beta1 into beta2, anyone know the syntax of rsync for that? |
| 19:40.47 | asg | FredZ: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 19:41.05 | xingu | becki: setfsuid(2) - seek thou. |
| 19:41.58 | becki | and where can i get it? wondering why man doesn't find it ;) |
| 19:41.58 | xoz | jorgp: can you guess? it looks simple. |
| 19:42.01 | FredZ | No, the entire system is a net install. When it came ti packages I didn't check any boxes as I am installing xen. |
| 19:42.24 | unfo | becki: maybe there is a better option you could use other than writing your own app? maybe the "user" mount option or something? Did you ask in #samba and on the samba mailing list already? |
| 19:43.13 | becki | no i didn't. thought it's a small problem ;) |
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| 19:44.34 | becki | unfo: i'll ask in #samba |
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| 19:44.41 | jorgp | xoz: no |
| 19:45.04 | xoz | jorgp: how do you copy from beta1 to beta2? |
| 19:45.27 | xingu | becki: manpages-dev |
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| 19:45.50 | xoz | jorgp: it is similar command. |
| 19:45.54 | nan8 | is the maximum size i can malloc on a 32bit limited to 3G or 4G (i thought 4G [2^32] but a program seems to fail after 3g)? |
| 19:45.54 | becki | xingu: thx |
| 19:45.56 | xoz | jorgp: for rsync |
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| 19:46.27 | grgdorn | Hi there. Quick Q: Adding "testing" to my repository list in /etc/apt/sources.list thats the same as adding "sid" right? |
| 19:46.30 | xingu | becki: nb, it could equally be a euid v uid thing. |
| 19:46.42 | Octalot | grgdorn: testing is lenny |
| 19:46.45 | grgdorn | oh |
| 19:46.52 | grgdorn | then sid is unstable? |
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| 19:46.53 | xingu | becki: again, see setreuid(2) |
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| 19:47.12 | xoz | nan8: you have to trap the error code during malloc. |
| 19:47.20 | grgdorn | must be a list of them somewhere... nevermind.. ill go rtfm |
| 19:47.23 | jorgp | xoz: I dont know, that is why I am asking |
| 19:48.04 | xoz | jorgp: i think you better RTFM. as i said the syntax is simple. |
| 19:49.13 | Gigantic_tiny | what is the official Fedora's IRC |
| 19:49.18 | jorgp | xoz: is it rsync rsync:://server/beta2 beta1 |
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| 19:49.43 | Gigantic_tiny | rsync gives me the creeps |
| 19:49.45 | xoz | jorgp: is beta2 subdir or file? |
| 19:49.51 | jorgp | xoz: file |
| 19:50.02 | unfo | repeat : I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1-686 on a recently updated lenny on a 7-year-old PC. "dmesg" includes "ACPI: RSDT 0FFF0000, 0028 (r1 AMIINT SiS735XX 1000 MSFT 100000B)" and "supports S0 S1 S4 S5". "cat /sys/power/state" says "standby disk". But standby mode doesn't turn off the video card, so I doubt it's so low-power. Why doesn't it also say "mem"? |
| 19:50.05 | asg | FredZ: make sure you have the linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686 package installed within the guest |
| 19:50.11 | xingu | nan8: http://kerneltrap.org/?q=node/2450 |
| 19:50.14 | unfo | Gigantic_tiny: #fedora |
| 19:50.15 | xoz | jorgp: try it now. |
| 19:50.16 | Gigantic_tiny | oops that was a misstell :p |
| 19:50.53 | Gigantic_tiny | ok getting back to Debian... after reboot "vesa" can't be found |
| 19:51.05 | unfo | Gigantic_tiny: why is that bad? |
| 19:51.18 | Gigantic_tiny | not even FB can be found and can't get to compile nvidia... nv can't be found either |
| 19:51.22 | xoz | jorgp: in linux, you have to try it hands-on to test your assumption. |
| 19:51.25 | nan8 | xingu: link doesn't work (for me) |
| 19:51.34 | xoz | jorgp: it is more educational. |
| 19:51.34 | Gigantic_tiny | and I have no idea why? |
| 19:51.42 | jorgp | xoz: I can not tell it is it downloading a completely new beta2 or syncing beta1 into beta2 |
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| 19:52.07 | xoz | jorgp: try changing beta1... then sync again... |
| 19:52.22 | xingu | nan8: synopsis is that in the 32bit memory model you lose 1GB of the process' address map to the kernel. |
| 19:52.23 | Gigantic_tiny | Well kernel modules can't just vanish isn't it |
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| 19:52.42 | xoz | jorgp: rsync default is always from source to destination |
| 19:52.57 | Gigantic_tiny | weirdest is that it happened on all my kernels and I have 4 =\ |
| 19:53.01 | pllb | During boot I keep getting..Error reading block 17301557 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read |
| 19:53.11 | nan8 | xingu: thanks |
| 19:53.11 | pllb | and after running fsck I get a bunch of those also |
| 19:53.32 | xingu | nan8: if you want to address memory bigger than your word size you need to remove your brain and then play silly sliding window games - shmem is probably the thing to abuse, I'd suggest the "just don't" solution given that commodity hardware now has a 64bit word size |
| 19:53.38 | pllb | anyone know what that's about/ |
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| 19:53.41 | pllb | ? |
| 19:54.13 | pllb | is my hard drive dying/ |
| 19:54.18 | pllb | ? |
| 19:54.36 | Gigantic_tiny | I'm not asking for a solution... but a clue... on why/how/what happened |
| 19:54.54 | Gigantic_tiny | pllb: looks like |
| 19:54.54 | xoz | pllb: run smartctl -a /dev/hda ... install smartmontool/smartsuite |
| 19:55.08 | xingu | nan8: http://www.dba-oracle.com/oracle_news/2005_4_19_getting_large_sga_linux.htm <-- one approach. |
| 19:55.20 | bbelt16ag | hey pepes is this proper? I am trying to get the errors of my script and the logs of my script separate.. |
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| 19:55.40 | unfo | xoz: pllb: my friend atrain says smart only detects a failing HDD 20% of the time. |
| 19:55.43 | Octalot | pllb: what xoz said, plus make a backup now |
| 19:55.48 | bbelt16ag | $ bash /sbin/automatic_backup_daily.sh -auto >> /var/log/automatice_backup_daily.log 2> /var/log/automatice_backup_daily.err |
| 19:55.57 | pllb | well I'm on a livecd atm |
| 19:55.59 | pllb | ok |
| 19:56.04 | pllb | let me try smartmon |
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| 19:56.41 | xoz | unfo: depends on the drive manufacturer... smart is designed to predict hd failure... months before it fails... not really accurate but still useful. |
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| 19:56.47 | dacs | tail -f /omp-data/logs/5erm/081202.APX | cgrep -3 +3 "CIC" anything wrong withthis? |
| 19:57.12 | xoz | unfo: if errors reported by smartctl are increasing... eventually, it will fail. |
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| 19:57.53 | wireddd | is there something special you have to do besides 'apt-get install trac' in order to get it working with apache? |
| 19:58.21 | unfo | wireddd: what is the project you need trac for? |
| 19:58.26 | pllb | xoz: here is the output http://pastebin.ca/1273875 |
| 19:58.27 | unfo | mick_laptop: repeat: did you open / reopen any bugs yet? :) |
| 19:58.33 | hoxu | wireddd, checked /usr/share/doc/<package>/ ? |
| 19:58.45 | bbelt16ag | I got it hehe |
| 19:58.52 | FredZ | asg: I have the follwing installed on the host machine "Linux server1.mydomain.com 2.6.18-xen #1 SMP Fri May 18 16:11:33 BST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux" |
| 19:58.53 | bbelt16ag | I think I should do it for all of my backups .., |
| 19:58.55 | unfo | HarbingerX: check anyway. Use aptitude to check. Did you have trouble checking? |
| 20:00.11 | wireddd | ahh, I missed the deploy part of it |
| 20:00.17 | stew | FredZ: who compiled that kernel? |
| 20:00.37 | stew | FredZ: whoever did seems to have not included loopback support |
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| 20:00.40 | unfo | pllb: also try hard drive diagnostics software like SpinRite (US$50). Also try e2fsck -c |
| 20:00.43 | outlaw84 | I am having problems with a router crashing if/when I have too many web/net-requests comming from my computer is there any kernel variable that I can change to reduce the amount of connections my computer attempts to set up? |
| 20:00.58 | unfo | outlaw84: what router? is it still under warranty? |
| 20:01.18 | outlaw84 | unfo: No, I and also I got a new one incomming |
| 20:01.30 | unfo | outlaw84: please tell us when you crosspaste from #kernel btw. |
| 20:02.02 | unfo | outlaw84: still, call the manufacturer for a free exchange. If they don't do it, give away the router to someone else with less heavy demands. :) |
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| 20:02.38 | outlaw84 | unfo: they never do answer in #kernel i dont even know why I go there :( |
| 20:03.01 | unfo | outlaw84: there are less people there. |
| 20:03.05 | outlaw84 | unfo: well its an old 3com wlan router from like 2004 :) |
| 20:03.25 | outlaw84 | unfo: I dont think they'll give me a new one :) |
| 20:03.34 | unfo | outlaw84: you never know. |
| 20:03.40 | FredZ | stew: this was got from "http://bits.xensource.com/oss-xen/release/3.1.0/bin.tgz/xen-3.1.0-install-x86_32.tgz" |
| 20:03.43 | unfo | repeat: I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1-686 on a recently updated lenny on a 7-year-old PC. My RSDT's version info is r1 AMIINT SiS735XX. dmesg says "supports S0 S1 S4 S5". "cat /sys/power/state" says "standby disk". But standby mode doesn't turn off the video card, so I doubt it's so low-power. Why doesn't it also say "mem"? Also crosspasted to #kernel now. |
| 20:03.56 | stew | FredZ: is there a reason you aren't using a debian kernel? |
| 20:04.15 | outlaw84 | unfo: I am gething a Netgear this time |
| 20:04.52 | FredZ | Not at all, just that this is my first encounter with xen and this is the only howto I could find to get me started. |
| 20:05.02 | xingu | pllb: your reallocated sector count is screaming "bad surface" to me. |
| 20:05.17 | hoxu | Debian 'login' Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability [ http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/32552 ] |
| 20:05.38 | pllb | xingu: that sucks this hd is brand new almost |
| 20:05.41 | xingu | pllb: especially given that the drive's only logged 1624 hours worth of operation |
| 20:05.43 | pllb | like 3 months |
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| 20:06.05 | unfo | pllb: still under warranty? |
| 20:06.10 | pllb | yeah |
| 20:06.36 | pllb | but it's bloody toshiba and the only way they replace it is ifyou bring it into a service center |
| 20:06.40 | unfo | sucks you're having problems :( call the mfr, get an RMA#, then take it back to where you purchased it. |
| 20:06.43 | pllb | last time it took a week |
| 20:06.45 | xingu | pllb: the defect log is also impressive (error ... entries) |
| 20:06.59 | pllb | heh |
| 20:07.03 | pllb | pos toshiba |
| 20:07.17 | xingu | pllb: it's cactus, rma it, don't put anything important on there. |
| 20:07.33 | pllb | I don't have anything important on here |
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| 20:07.38 | pllb | bah time to call them I guess |
| 20:07.57 | FredZ | stew: I have just done "aptitude search xen" to find that 4.0R5 has all the modules builtin. I will rebuild the server again and install xen fron apt-get. |
| 20:08.00 | FredZ | TY |
| 20:08.19 | unfo | pllb: ask them if they can replace it in a shorter time, if you really need it. |
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| 20:08.46 | xingu | pllb: ask if they can send _you_ a replacement part and a return shipping kit |
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| 20:09.03 | pllb | that's what I'll do..I'll call them right now and let you know |
| 20:09.55 | xingu | pllb: might grease the wheels if you can give them some sort of charge authority (purchase order, cc nr, etc) |
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| 20:10.48 | unfo | mick_laptop: 3rd repeat: did you open / reopen any bugs yet? :) |
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| 20:11.50 | nan8 | xingu: i guess now i have a reason to switch to 64bit |
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| 20:12.19 | xingu | hoxu: who in ${deity}'s name puts users in utmp group? |
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| 20:17.05 | xingu | oic, so the vector is set-group-utmp binaries |
| 20:17.22 | becki | xingu: got a sudo workaround |
| 20:17.38 | xingu | becki: ? |
| 20:17.47 | unfo | becki: excellent. You should blog your workaround. |
| 20:17.54 | becki | setreuid and setfsuid doesn't work |
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| 20:18.43 | becki | unfo: just adding the user local which is available on that local machine to sudoers with granting permissions to smbmount and smbumount ;) |
| 20:19.01 | hoxu | xingu, unlikely, but as you said, it provides utmp->root escalation which is not... nice. utmp exists in the first place to improve security :p |
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| 20:19.22 | xingu | becki: can you try again with setresuid? |
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| 20:19.36 | xingu | hoxu: check the perms on /usr/bin/xterm |
| 20:19.39 | becki | xingu: hm? |
| 20:20.01 | xingu | becki: there's nothing particularly magic about sudo; if it can do it, so can your own source. |
| 20:20.38 | becki | just calling setresuid(0,0); ? |
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| 20:21.40 | nsadmin | is that what sudo does? |
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| 20:22.18 | xingu | becki: 0,0,0 and check the return code too (is uid_t a simple type like that?) |
| 20:23.18 | becki | too many arguments |
| 20:23.21 | nsadmin | not just check the return code, print whatever error message comes back so you can see if/why it failed |
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| 20:25.18 | becki | error code is -1 |
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| 20:25.33 | nsadmin | according to the man page, what does that mean? |
| 20:26.16 | hoxu | xingu, find -perm -2000 -group utmp |
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| 20:26.45 | becki | On error, -1 is returned, and errno is set appropriately. <-- kay, i'll try reading aut errno (long time ago ;)) |
| 20:26.52 | hoxu | xingu, guess some binaries are going to be getting security audit soon |
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| 20:27.24 | nsadmin | ok, so then you can print error messages, they're in an array |
| 20:27.39 | becki | which array? |
| 20:27.48 | nsadmin | look at errno.h |
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| 20:28.07 | nsadmin | the array is indexed by errno |
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| 20:28.22 | nsadmin | direct answer: I forgot :) |
| 20:28.34 | Orion_X11 | I am looking for this file in debia > gtk.immodules People say that it is in > /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules But I have tried to locate it with find and have not found it. Any help? |
| 20:28.35 | amphi | SCO owns errno.h! |
| 20:28.47 | amphi | oh, wait, they don't |
| 20:29.02 | nsadmin | sco owns bo |
| 20:29.03 | unfo | 6th repeat: I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1-686 on a recently updated lenny on a 7-year-old PC. My RSDT's version info is r1 AMIINT SiS735XX. dmesg says "supports S0 S1 S4 S5". "cat /sys/power/state" says "standby disk". But standby mode doesn't turn off the video card, so I doubt it's so low-power. Why doesn't it also say "mem"? Also crosspasted to #kernel and ##linux now. |
| 20:29.42 | xingu | hacks together some atrociously bad C |
| 20:30.00 | nsadmin | are you a bad ceed? |
| 20:30.03 | xingu | realises it's been a while since he *wrote* any |
| 20:30.05 | unfo | xingu: don't forget -Wall -Wextra for some extra syntax checking. |
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| 20:30.27 | xingu | unfo: heh, compiles without warning - it boots, ship it! |
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| 20:30.48 | unfo | xingu: :) |
| 20:30.52 | becki | in errno stands (null) ;) |
| 20:31.19 | Szaln | hi |
| 20:31.39 | nsadmin | becki: you'll get this, it's pretty easy. once you find the answer, if you're going to do almost anything in c, the search for this array will be absolutely worth your time |
| 20:31.50 | Szaln | is there any way to check that vpnc has established connection? |
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| 20:33.57 | nsadmin | hmm, it's not in there |
| 20:34.01 | Orion_X11 | I am looking for this file in debian > gtk.immodules People say that it is in > /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules But I have tried to locate it with find and have not found it. Any help? Sorry for putting the question again |
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| 20:36.23 | nsadmin | becki: look into strerror() |
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| 20:36.39 | becki | nsadmin: thanks |
| 20:37.09 | nsadmin | becki: (ref found in error.h) |
| 20:38.02 | xingu | LOL |
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| 20:38.15 | xingu | wondering why my dummy set*id()'s are failing |
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| 20:38.29 | xingu | realised I routinely mount mountpoints with nosuid... |
| 20:38.29 | nsadmin | also look in err.h |
| 20:38.35 | xingu | no prizes for guessing what comes next |
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| 20:38.56 | unfo | mick_laptop: 4th repeat: did you open / reopen any bugs yet? :) |
| 20:39.02 | unfo | all: 7th repeat: I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1-686 on a recently updated lenny on a 7-year-old PC. My RSDT's version info is r1 AMIINT SiS735XX. dmesg says "supports S0 S1 S4 S5". "cat /sys/power/state" says "standby disk". But standby mode doesn't turn off the video card, so I doubt it's so low-power. Why doesn't it also say "mem"? Also crosspasted to #kernel and ##linux now. |
| 20:39.51 | mick_laptop | unfo: nope |
| 20:40.03 | unfo | mick_laptop: you should reopen it. |
| 20:40.05 | unfo | or something |
| 20:40.21 | mick_laptop | it isn't important enough for me |
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| 20:40.38 | mick_laptop | i just wanted to try the app |
| 20:40.38 | unfo | mick_laptop: fair. |
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| 20:40.52 | mick_laptop | if it has crazy deps -- then it isn't worth the hassle |
| 20:40.53 | jelly-home | unfo: 2001. likely means buggy ACPI BIOS |
| 20:40.59 | mick_laptop | otherwise i'd package it myself |
| 20:41.17 | mick_laptop | i hate asking other people to do stuff, i'd rather do it myself and contribute |
| 20:41.21 | xingu | becki: nb, this works just fine... struct passwd *root = getpwnam("root"); ... int rc = setresuid(root->pw_uid, root->pw_uid, root->pw_uid); |
| 20:41.39 | xingu | becki: providing (of course) you're not daft enough to try on a filesystem mounted nosuid... |
| 20:41.51 | jelly-home | unfo: hibernate (suspend to disk) is more likely to work |
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| 20:41.56 | becki | ;) |
| 20:41.59 | becki | thanks |
| 20:42.09 | unfo | jelly-home: yes, suspend to disk works. I will look for BIOS updates, but I won't get my hopes up. |
| 20:42.37 | xingu | becki: I haven't taken it any _further_ than that, mind; but it does the expected (geteuid/getuid report 0,0 after the call and uid,0 before it) |
| 20:42.43 | unfo | mick_laptop: if you ask wnpp to do it, it will save time not just for you, but for other people who want it. |
| 20:43.16 | xingu | becki: err, getuid/geteuid; setuid binary *doesn't* seteuid and this will hurt some. |
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| 20:45.51 | piko | Hi, I have problem with running a sonud in a game with /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy and I do not know how to figure it out, could anyone help? |
| 20:46.01 | Gigantic_tiny | can somebody remind me what was teh name of that other disk array ... not RAID... the one not redundant |
| 20:46.05 | Gigantic_tiny | the old one |
| 20:46.13 | JPT | scsi ? |
| 20:46.14 | medc | hello |
| 20:46.23 | medc | anyone know how to restart samba? |
| 20:46.25 | Gigantic_tiny | just a bunch of disk... or something |
| 20:46.32 | piko | I already tried to create it - it was missing, but even with good permissions and user in audio group I can not succeed |
| 20:46.37 | mick_laptop | unfo: if it was worth it - then i'd do it ;) |
| 20:46.37 | JPT | #: /etc/init.d/smbd restart ? |
| 20:46.49 | JPT | jbod |
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| 20:47.36 | mick_laptop | piko: does sound work (w/ mplayer, vlc etc)? |
| 20:47.50 | mick_laptop | is sound unmuted (alsamixer) |
| 20:48.21 | JPT | medc: /etc/init.d/smb(d) restart |
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| 20:48.33 | JPT | oh... forgot to scroll |
| 20:48.44 | mick_laptop | piko: once you know those 2 questions, then you have a better chance at answering that question |
| 20:49.51 | rotw | oh hi JPT |
| 20:49.53 | JPT | hi |
| 20:50.02 | medc | JPT, Reloading /etc/samba/smb.conf: smbd only/etc/init.d/samba: line 92: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 20:50.02 | medc | . |
| 20:50.17 | JPT | mhh |
| 20:50.20 | stew | medc: run that as root |
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| 20:50.32 | Gigantic_tiny | !version |
| 20:50.32 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 20:50.38 | Gigantic_tiny | oops |
| 20:51.05 | medc | stew, u got the point, thnks for the help stew & JPT |
| 20:51.22 | JPT | :) |
| 20:51.48 | medc | JPT, but still i cant browse the windows network :( |
| 20:52.03 | JPT | therefore, you'll need the smb client |
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| 20:52.33 | JPT | with the help of konqueror, you'd be able to call smb:/ip-adress |
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| 20:53.56 | xingu | Gigantic_tiny: linear append? |
| 20:55.00 | xingu | Gigantic_tiny: the md driver back in 2.0 only supported striping and append |
| 20:55.02 | medc | JPT, i use gnome and i cannot enter |
| 20:55.09 | JPT | hmm... |
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| 20:55.41 | medc | JPT, and i can ping the IP |
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| 20:56.12 | macondo | How do I configure apache so that the document root is /var/www instead of /var/www/apache2-default? |
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| 20:57.00 | JPT | mhh |
| 20:57.27 | JPT | medc: that's client related... maybe you'll have to find out how to use smb with gnome |
| 20:57.33 | JPT | i'm not familiar with that |
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| 21:00.16 | Gigantic_tiny | is there anyway to reconfigure EVERYTHING again just like of a fresh install? |
| 21:00.26 | Gigantic_tiny | maybe with debconf or something? |
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| 21:01.13 | Gigantic_tiny | it's just that a lot of stuff is broken |
| 21:01.18 | abrotman | depends on what "everything" entails |
| 21:01.29 | libertad0 | How do I know the date of expiration of a domain? |
| 21:01.34 | Aggro | Gigantic_tiny: Do a fresh install? |
| 21:01.49 | abrotman | libertad0: whois |
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| 21:02.04 | libertad0 | XD |
| 21:02.09 | Gigantic_tiny | abrotman: if the Universe consist of then numbers... then I want to reconfigure 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 |
| 21:02.10 | libertad0 | thanks |
| 21:02.24 | abrotman | of then numbers? |
| 21:02.27 | Gigantic_tiny | Aggro: I don't want to download everything again |
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| 21:02.31 | abrotman | Gigantic_tiny: you need to be more specific |
| 21:02.31 | Gigantic_tiny | =\ |
| 21:03.13 | Aggro | abrotman: He wants to run dpkg-reconfigure * |
| 21:03.20 | piko | mick_laptop: sorry for delay, yes, my sound works (verified by mplayer, flash) and is unmuted |
| 21:03.26 | abrotman | that's not specific |
| 21:04.01 | Aggro | abrotman: You want a list of all installed packages? |
| 21:04.13 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 21:04.51 | piko | mick_laptop: So I have sound (alsa, kernel 2.6.24-1-amd64 ) |
| 21:04.58 | Gigantic_tiny | abrotman: ok, after reboot many kernel modules are gone, I don't have vesa fb or anything, no lan modules. many services failed to initialize and although apt and synaptic show no broken packages, aptitude say there is and fixing would remove the whole of gnome, kde and many other stuff |
| 21:05.02 | Aggro | Gigantic_tiny: Perhaps it is better to try to solve your problems one at a time? |
| 21:05.22 | abrotman | Gigantic_tiny: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 21:05.30 | Gigantic_tiny | no |
| 21:05.38 | mick_laptop | piko: so what game is it that doesn't work? |
| 21:05.42 | nsadmin | perhaps he built his own kernel and failed to include those modules |
| 21:05.50 | piko | mick_laptop: enemy-territory |
| 21:05.57 | abrotman | Gigantic_tiny: run depmod -a ? |
| 21:05.58 | Gigantic_tiny | all I did alike was to upgrade 2.6.18 to 2.6.23 I think |
| 21:06.01 | mick_laptop | piko: url? |
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| 21:06.16 | mick_laptop | FOSS or closed source? |
| 21:06.22 | Aggro | mick_laptop: FOSS |
| 21:06.26 | nsadmin | oh, so he needs newer modutils? |
| 21:06.26 | abrotman | .26 i hope you mean |
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| 21:06.36 | Gigantic_tiny | but I still have 2.6.12 and it also fails |
| 21:06.43 | Gigantic_tiny | abrotman: ok ima try brb |
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| 21:07.17 | Aggro | mick_laptop: Actually freeware |
| 21:07.20 | piko | mick_laptop: mick_laptop a minute ... |
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| 21:07.30 | FredZ | asg: have rebuilt the server and install xen from apt. All seems to be good and has resolved my problem. Many thanks for your comments. |
| 21:07.44 | mick_laptop | QuakeWars? |
| 21:07.49 | mick_laptop | or Wolfenstein? |
| 21:08.00 | mick_laptop | a few links come up when searching :) |
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| 21:08.48 | nsadmin | why does xen and nvidia full 3d support not get along? |
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| 21:09.15 | jhamlin | should my main user be a member of the "users" group?? |
| 21:09.21 | piko | mick_laptop: wolfenstein |
| 21:09.41 | piko | mick_laptop: try this http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2743 |
| 21:09.44 | nsadmin | your user named mainuser should be in the group named mainuser |
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| 21:10.18 | nsadmin | !info members |
| 21:10.44 | dpkg | members: (Shows the members of a group; by default, all members), section admin, is optional. Version: 20080128-5 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 21:10.45 | mick_laptop | piko: i can't atm (at work and i thought that it would be smaller) |
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| 21:11.12 | mick_laptop | piko: i wish that i could help |
| 21:11.27 | mick_laptop | i'd say, look at the sound settings and get all of the -devel modules for sound |
| 21:11.35 | mick_laptop | that is where i'd start |
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| 21:12.25 | enyawix | is ffmpeg-php supported on debian |
| 21:13.30 | macondo | How do I configure apache so that the document root is /var/www and not /var/www/apache2-default? |
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| 21:14.11 | enyawix | macondo change the docroot variable |
| 21:14.15 | piko | mick_laptop: I tried, nevertheless thanks for help. I do not need to try it yourself, I just wanted to know some opinions, thanks |
| 21:14.24 | enyawix | macondo in your apache config |
| 21:14.36 | macondo | enyawix: I don't see any DocumentRoot in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 21:14.40 | mick_laptop | piko: i actually wanted to try myself |
| 21:14.49 | nsadmin | which is pretty well documented at apache.org :) |
| 21:15.01 | enyawix | macondo brb i will look at mine |
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| 21:15.27 | macondo | I even tried adding a DocumentRoot line and restart apache but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 21:15.39 | Elite | Hey guys how do I use bash to tell what I have running for an email server? |
| 21:16.15 | somnambulant | if one of my computers is trying to access an mpd server on another box on the network, and it's not working, do i need to somehow open up port 6600 on the mpd server box, or should that already be done? And if so how do i do it? thanks! |
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| 21:17.48 | nsadmin | Elite: one way, look at the output of ps aux |
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| 21:19.54 | Elite | postfix I think :P |
| 21:20.22 | nsadmin | so then, try dpkg -s postfix |
| 21:20.33 | nsadmin | see if it's installed |
| 21:20.48 | dacs | how do i install Hauppauge HVR-1600 in debian etch |
| 21:20.51 | dacs | please help |
| 21:21.17 | nsadmin | that's a radio? |
| 21:21.27 | mick_laptop | dacs: google Hauppauge HVR-1600 debian etch |
| 21:21.42 | macondo | enyawix: do you have a DocumentRoot line? |
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| 21:23.24 | enyawix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.43 | mick_laptop | dacs: i found -> http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2//search.php?search_author=mpapet&sid=49739bda491dd0f23e679dec5cf3e0a0 |
| 21:23.44 | xst | I try to install dovecot-imapd but that will also install mysql-common. I am using postgresql and not mysql, so I am not interested in installing mysql. Why is that dependency on mysql build into the dotcove package? |
| 21:24.10 | xst | dovecot... |
| 21:24.26 | jhamlin | could someone please post a sample line for fstab that will allow me mount a samba share with cifs and view those files as a normal user? I don't care if I have to run mount as root as long as I can view an edit the files as a normal user. I've spent several days trying to figure this out and I always get "permission denied" when I try to view the files as a normal user (no problems as root). |
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| 21:25.38 | macondo | jhamlin: can't you change the permissions? |
| 21:26.18 | jhamlin | macondo: how??? |
| 21:26.24 | jhamlin | macondo: and to what |
| 21:26.25 | enyawix | macondo no i do not |
| 21:26.39 | Kumool | jhamlin: perhaps in fstab? |
| 21:26.50 | unfo | jhamlin: Try asking in #samba |
| 21:27.00 | macondo | jhamlin: this is very insecure, but it will work: chmod 777 -R /path/to/your/share |
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| 21:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | somnambulant, haven't used mpd - but Debian doesn't by default have any firewall rules, so if the server is up and listening at a port, that's enough - it might be configured by default to only listen on localhost (i.e. the "lo" device) - use netstat -l to see if it is listening and where |
| 21:27.28 | macondo | enyawix: this is thrilling. I don't know how to set the document root |
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| 21:28.09 | jhamlin | macondo: wont that change the permissions on all the files on the server?? I don't think I want to do that... I just need to mount it so that I can read/edit |
| 21:28.28 | enyawix | this is not good i was about to move my apache server to debian :( |
| 21:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | macondo, "grep -i documentroot /etc/apache*/*"? |
| 21:29.33 | macondo | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm... sebas@server:/var/www$ grep -i documentroot /etc/apache*/* |
| 21:29.33 | macondo | sebas@server:/var/www$ |
| 21:30.01 | FredZ | I have just installed xen with "apt-get install xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-686" and it didn't create any bridge devices. What have I missed? |
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| 21:30.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | macondo, hmm... actually same for my (unused) apache2 directory - but lots of answers for apache |
| 21:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think they just changed the name of that option for apache2? |
| 21:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 21:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a confd |
| 21:30.43 | macondo | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't think so http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#documentroot |
| 21:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... /etc/apache2/ and deeper dirs don't have any files on my computer |
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| 21:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | just as well as I don't use apache2 |
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| 21:32.52 | somnambulant | CutMeOwnThroat: this is the listing for 6600, how do i change it to "*"?: tcp 0 0 localhost:6600 *:* LISTEN |
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| 21:33.37 | FredZ | I found the problem, didn't install all the packges. |
| 21:33.41 | Phlogi | anyone has an idea why it takes so long until my server asks for pw when loging in with ssh? its about 4 seconds |
| 21:33.50 | Phlogi | even when I'm in the same network |
| 21:33.55 | somnambulant | CutMeOwnThroat: to clarify, from "localhost" to "*"? |
| 21:34.10 | dante_2core | Phlogi, have that too |
| 21:34.27 | jelly-home | Phlogi: does the server have any mention of mdns in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
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| 21:35.04 | Phlogi | jelly: jup |
| 21:35.09 | Phlogi | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 21:35.11 | dante_2core | jelly-home, mine does: mdns4_minimal and mdns4 |
| 21:35.38 | jelly-home | clean the hosts line to just be: hosts: files dns |
| 21:35.42 | macondo | CutMeOwnThroat, you have to edit the file /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, the line that redirects to /apache2-default |
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| 21:35.57 | macondo | I don't like how debian changes the defaults |
| 21:36.16 | Phlogi | jelly-home: ok what service do I need to restart? |
| 21:36.31 | jelly-home | Phlogi: none, just try logging in again |
| 21:36.40 | j`ey | hey guys |
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| 21:36.48 | j`ey | im trying to build the acx100 module |
| 21:37.00 | jelly-home | Phlogi: possibly a restart of ssh service, but I don't think so |
| 21:37.00 | j`ey | but im getting |
| 21:37.07 | j`ey | linux/config.h not found :S |
| 21:37.13 | dante_2core | jelly-home, thanks a million |
| 21:37.18 | Phlogi | jelly-home: omg you are the man!!! |
| 21:37.31 | Phlogi | jelly-home: small explanation, what was that? |
| 21:37.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | somnambulant, * just means "listen on all" "localhost" means it doesn't listen to anything coming from outside |
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| 21:38.02 | dante_2core | Phlogi, it basically was a configuration that made your system look up hosts via mdns first and then it took forever to fail and then used dns |
| 21:38.08 | dante_2core | now it's using dns directly -> a hell lot faster |
| 21:38.27 | jelly-home | Phlogi: sshd tries to look up the symbolic name of the connecting client for possible authentication purposes |
| 21:38.38 | Phlogi | thats what I thought |
| 21:38.42 | Phlogi | thank you so much! |
| 21:38.47 | somnambulant | CutMeOwnThroat: how can I change it to listen to * or a specific ip range? |
| 21:38.53 | jelly-home | Phlogi: using avahi/mdns introduces a 5 sec delay in reverse ip resolution |
| 21:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | somnambulant, there'll be some configuration file to change its behavior in /etc |
| 21:39.10 | jelly-home | Phlogi: and unfortunately it's enabled by default in etch and above |
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| 21:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | somnambulant, /etc/mpd.conf |
| 21:39.25 | jhamlin | Yah, #samba is no help whatsoever |
| 21:39.36 | jhamlin | here is my fstab line: "//IP/User\040Files /home/me/fooserver_user_files cifs credentials=/root/.samba/fooserver,rw,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 21:39.36 | Phlogi | jelly-home: yes I see |
| 21:39.39 | jhamlin | Like I said, I have no problem reading/writing as root but if I try to view the contents of the fooserver_user_files/ directory as a normal non-root user, I get "permission denied". |
| 21:39.52 | Phlogi | jelly-home: I'm always confused about this debian versions... |
| 21:39.53 | somnambulant | CutMeOwnThroat: oh yes of course, i didn't think of that thanks! i'll check it. |
| 21:40.09 | Phlogi | my debian_version says lenny/sid |
| 21:40.18 | Phlogi | will this change automatically? |
| 21:40.20 | jelly-home | !version |
| 21:40.20 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 21:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, well, and probably ls -l /home/me/fooserver_user_files will show you that indeed only root has permission |
| 21:40.53 | jhamlin | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 21:40.59 | jelly-home | Phlogi: if you're using "lenny" in /etc/apt/sources.list, it'll eventually become 5.0 (lenny) or similar |
| 21:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, that's what you can use ... -o umask=something for |
| 21:41.37 | Phlogi | ok np |
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| 21:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, you can try "-o umask=0000", I guess |
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| 21:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, or you give everything to one user... "man mount" search for "Mount options for smbfs" to see all options |
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| 21:46.12 | Tenkawa | any systematic way to overlay a 64 bit debian build with a 32 bit kernel and userland? |
| 21:46.25 | Tenkawa | or am I just better off starting over? |
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| 21:46.43 | stew | jhamlin: show us the output of "ls -ld fooserver_user_files" |
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| 21:47.31 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: the reason for doing that? |
| 21:48.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, you forgot to tell us HOW you tried to build it - I guess you used m-a, then, as that is the sanest way to do it and you of course did "Update" and "Prepare" and you of course have the correct kernel headers for your system installed because of that... and you're of course using the most common i386 platform, else you'd have mentioned that... right? |
| 21:48.50 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: all correct :D |
| 21:48.56 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: transitioning a small machine I have that basicly acts as a dumb terminal from an Athlon X2 to a Via Centaur |
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| 21:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tenkawa, you can run a separate system in a virtual box |
| 21:49.14 | Tenkawa | want to use the X2 for something else |
| 21:49.21 | j`ey | so I made a ln -s from config.h to autoconf.h.. but it now gives a different error :S: |
| 21:49.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, i got an easy solution, pity I'm tired typing now :-P |
| 21:49.36 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: eh. /msg dpkg aptitude clone, I guess |
| 21:49.42 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: thanks |
| 21:49.53 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: well, you did write such a long sentence up there |
| 21:50.09 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: if u typ lik dis tis shorta |
| 21:50.28 | Tenkawa | I'd just rebuild it from cdrom but the plan was to mount up the drive and ....oooh |
| 21:50.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | tries to avert eye cancer by looking the other way |
| 21:50.29 | jelly-home | j`ey: and less readable |
| 21:50.33 | abrotman | !tell j`ey about wud |
| 21:50.42 | Tenkawa | I could debootstrap over the top of the current config |
| 21:50.59 | Tenkawa | be risky... but fun to try |
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| 21:51.30 | j`ey | jelly-home: quicker for him to type (apparently quicker), harder for me to decypher! |
| 21:51.38 | Tenkawa | thanks all.. time to do some experimenting |
| 21:51.40 | Tenkawa | heeheheheheh |
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| 21:51.55 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: hey man! |
| 21:52.08 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: ill help you achieve your nick if you help me compile this :D |
| 21:52.18 | Tenkawa | cheers all |
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| 21:54.20 | jhamlin | stew: `ls -ld fooserver_user_files` gives "drwxr-xr-x 2 me me 4096 2008-12-02 09:36 fooserver_user_files/" when it's unmounted |
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| 21:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, how about you tell us the exact command you ran, ... your kernel version and the installed header package (dpkg -l \*$(uname -r)\* |grep ii) |
| 21:54.55 | j`ey | argh, i guess |
| 21:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, perhaps there's really a bug in the source package... did you check the BTS? |
| 21:55.05 | j`ey | bts? |
| 21:55.15 | j`ey | !tell j`ey bts |
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| 21:55.21 | j`ey | heh |
| 21:55.29 | j`ey | im unsure of this BTS |
| 21:55.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, try /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:55.35 | stew | jhamlin: can you show us the output of "ls -l /some/file" for some file you are having permissions problems with? |
| 21:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | (bug tracking system) |
| 21:55.42 | Kevin` | how do I set a computer to use a local-time rtc like windows |
| 21:55.53 | nsadmin | bugs.debian.org |
| 21:55.54 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: aha, well |
| 21:56.09 | jhamlin | stew: you want me to run that as root or as non-root? |
| 21:56.11 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: well, i guess this conversation would be easier to hold, if i was sat at that comp |
| 21:56.20 | nsadmin | bts is bug tracking system |
| 21:56.20 | stew | jhamlin: root |
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| 21:56.30 | jogla | Hello |
| 21:56.50 | jogla | Is there something like a ,,meta group'' for compiler things? |
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| 21:57.12 | nsadmin | devel? |
| 21:57.12 | stew | jogla: there is a 'build-essential' package, if that is what you mean |
| 21:57.12 | jogla | I want to write a simple c programm, but apt-get install gcc is not sufficent, it does not even give me headers |
| 21:57.19 | nsadmin | meta group of what |
| 21:57.21 | stew | jogla: yeah, you want build-essential |
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| 21:57.29 | jogla | ahh, thank, very cool! |
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| 21:57.58 | nsadmin | build-essential will give you at least that plus a few more things |
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| 21:59.13 | andriijas | anyone here who knows how i can add a dir to a users python path? |
| 21:59.37 | jhamlin | stew: before running that command should I mount as root or non-root? |
| 21:59.37 | somnambulant | any ideas why i get no sound trying to play music with qmpdclient, where the mpd daemon resides on another linux box on the network? I see the whole library fine and it shows it's playing it, just no sound.. |
| 21:59.38 | nsadmin | #python might know |
| 22:00.00 | stew | jhamlin: however it is mounted when you are having problems |
| 22:00.17 | stew | andriijas: PYTHONPATH env variable (man python) |
| 22:00.37 | andriijas | gracie bene thanks tackar |
| 22:00.56 | stew | prego? |
| 22:02.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, true - or if you can ssh into it via lan, of course |
| 22:02.31 | j`ey | then i gotta setup ssh first |
| 22:02.39 | j`ey | which I was planning on doing anyway |
| 22:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | always thought ssh is in the base install anyways |
| 22:03.29 | stew | its not |
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| 22:04.25 | stew | openssh-client is Priority: standard and openssh-server is Priority: optional |
| 22:04.55 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: well, lemme set ssh up |
| 22:04.57 | stew | (and the ssh package is Priority: extra) |
| 22:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, that module builds without any problem for my kernel |
| 22:05.21 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: im using like, etchnhalf |
| 22:05.39 | j`ey | not like, i added that in there |
| 22:05.42 | linkslice | quick (hopefully) questions about the date command. according to man page %u is day of week 1...7 with 1 being monday, where's sunday? |
| 22:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, yeah, I kind of know it... it just keeps slipping my mind because ssh/sshd is... well, one of the things I regard as so central, that it doesn't fit in my mind easily :) |
| 22:06.08 | linkslice | oh wait......nm |
| 22:06.14 | linkslice | hides |
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| 22:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1 Monday 2 Tuesday 3 We 4 Th 5 Fri 6 Sat 7 Sun |
| 22:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm.... |
| 22:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | now where is it |
| 22:07.32 | abrotman | he said nm |
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| 22:09.03 | j`ey | we should !tell him about wud ;) |
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| 22:09.29 | Artificialsynaps | Anyone know where firestarter saves it's log files? They're not in /var/log |
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| 22:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, oooh... and I just thought a sweet glued his teeth together |
| 22:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | nm=new maintainer |
| 22:11.46 | stew | Artificialsynaps: its that just a frontend for iptables/netfilter? netfilter would log to /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:11.48 | jhamlin | stew: `ls -l fooserver_user_files/test.eps` returns "-rw-rw-rw- 1 1026 crontab 361610 2008-05-27 17:33 fooserver_user_files/test.eps" |
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| 22:12.30 | jhamlin | stew: but as a non-root user I'm not even allowed to look inside of fooserver_user_files/ |
| 22:12.31 | stew | jhamlin: then the problem is probably on the server side, not the client side |
| 22:12.59 | stew | jhamlin: well, what does "ls -ld fooserver_user_files" return? |
| 22:13.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, go down directroy by directory and see which directory prevents access |
| 22:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, obviously your problem is closer to the "root" |
| 22:13.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | (har har, what pun) |
| 22:13.57 | j`ey | ive been listening to too much evanesence |
| 22:13.58 | enouf | ... |
| 22:14.07 | j`ey | i keep typing solitude, and not aptitude |
| 22:15.25 | enouf | i keep typing spank-my-monkey instead of apt-get |
| 22:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, does the pain inflicted by my pun slowly subside already? |
| 22:16.20 | jhamlin | stew: as root `ls -ld fooserver_user_files` returns "drwxrwx--- 32 1034 crontab 0 2008-11-29 12:08 fooserver_user_files/" |
| 22:16.34 | stew | jhamlin: so that is your problem |
| 22:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, there you are... |
| 22:16.49 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you puns are ineffective against a mini-keg of heineken :-P |
| 22:17.01 | enouf | your* |
| 22:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, so you think - it's probably just delayed-action |
| 22:18.11 | jhamlin | So how do I fix the problem so that non-root can read/write? |
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| 22:19.03 | stew | judd? |
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| 22:19.15 | rideh | i tried searching this time and unable to find what package disks-admin is a member of. i have it on a etch install with no special packages. what have i missed |
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| 22:19.46 | enouf | disks-admin? never heard of it |
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| 22:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, try the simplest "chmod a+rw fooserver_user_files/" first? |
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| 22:20.22 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: i think im getting ssh on! |
| 22:20.31 | rideh | enouf, yea its a disk management program. helpful when i'm plugging in disks with no idea if they work at all (ata -> usb adapter) |
| 22:21.12 | enouf | rideh: so, the issue is you cannot find the binary, nor application? try /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:21.22 | rideh | enouf, already did |
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| 22:21.30 | enouf | did what? |
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| 22:22.04 | MasterOfDisaster | hi, I'm having trouble ipl'ing debian stable from the dvd image with hercules |
| 22:22.12 | enouf | it might be packaged under a different pkgname, and the binary might even be named differently |
| 22:22.17 | stew | jhamlin: with chmod/chown? |
| 22:22.25 | MasterOfDisaster | it panics with: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0) |
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| 22:22.44 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: woot! |
| 22:22.48 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: ssh'ed in |
| 22:22.49 | enouf | !ipl |
| 22:22.50 | dpkg | from memory, ipl is the IBM Public License, a good, DFSG-free license at http://www10.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/license10.html .. Interbase Public License (??) http://www.interbase.com/IPL.html |
| 22:23.16 | MasterOfDisaster | enouf: nice try, but no |
| 22:23.44 | rideh | enouf, looks like they killed it - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224276 |
| 22:23.45 | MasterOfDisaster | enouf: this is about linux on s390(x) |
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| 22:23.53 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/22758/ |
| 22:23.57 | jhamlin | CutMeOwnThroat: if I try that with the share mounted I get "Operation not permitted". If I first unmount it and do `chmod a+rw` the permissions get changed but as soon as I mount the share they get changed back and I have the same problem... |
| 22:24.19 | stew | jhamlin: you need to change the permissions on the server |
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| 22:25.30 | jhamlin | stew: when I did this with smbfs instead of cifs I didn't have any problems so doesn't that indicate it's not a server problem? |
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| 22:26.55 | stew | jhamlin: i don't think so. you might want to ask #samba |
| 22:27.23 | jhamlin | stew: yah, they weren't much help... |
| 22:27.31 | stoned | hey guys |
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| 22:27.49 | stew | jhamlin: if you are seeing different permissions/ownership on different files in the mountpint, it seems to me liek your cifs server supports unix extensions |
| 22:27.51 | stoned | I have my Amarok DB on my remote sql server, and I wish to transfer it to a local PC |
| 22:27.59 | releod-mobile | Does anyone know if it is possible to preserve permissions set inside /etc/skel when using adduser? |
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| 22:28.11 | k-man | hi guys |
| 22:28.15 | stoned | I don't want to use mysql-server on my desktop instead I want to use the sqlite layer of Amarok |
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| 22:28.27 | stoned | Is there a way to transfer the mysql DB into a sqlite DB |
| 22:28.35 | stew | releod-mobile: you don't want the user to own the files in his home directory? |
| 22:28.39 | k-man | i seem to be having a problem with my server where something happens and mysql goes down |
| 22:28.46 | k-man | any idea how i can work out why it goes down? |
| 22:28.48 | stoned | any kind of a direct copy mechanism? |
| 22:28.58 | stew | k-man: do you have error logging enabled in mysql? |
| 22:28.59 | stoned | k-man, check the logs first |
| 22:29.00 | releod-mobile | stew: I do, but I also want some group settings to be applied to certain directories within a users home |
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| 22:29.33 | jhamlin | stew: the server is an osx box that I don't have access to... it's run by department computer folks and since no one else (everyone else uses windows or mac) is having problems I'm not going to have any luck getting them to change anything... |
| 22:29.52 | stew | jhamlin: that sucks |
| 22:29.57 | k-man | stew, stoned - ill check the logs. not sure if error logging is enabled |
| 22:30.06 | jelly-home | stoned: there were some instructions near amarok forums, but I'd been looking for sqlite -> mysql at the time |
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| 22:30.34 | stoned | jelly-home, I see |
| 22:31.07 | stoned | jelly-home, I didn't really want to have to lookup the sqlite table format.. I hope its about as easy as dumping mysql and importing in sqlite |
| 22:31.16 | k-man | hmm - looks like logging is not working - log files are all empty |
| 22:31.24 | stoned | i've never used sqlite before so I have no idea how its structured or how it works in comparison to mysql |
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| 22:31.39 | stew | releod-mobile: i'd probably write a wrapper script for adduser that, after adduser runs, fixes permissions the way you want them. could you possibly instead acheive what you want by including a symlink in /etc/skel that points to some other location outside of their home? |
| 22:31.47 | jhamlin | stew: I had this working semi-okay with smbfs. However I was getting some wierd problems and every time I asked for a solution I was told to use cifs instead of smbfs. Now I've spent at least 20 hours trying to get cifs to work to no avail... :( |
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| 22:32.12 | jelly-home | stoned: try #amarok |
| 22:32.13 | stoned | jelly-home, seeminly the mysql amarok table structure... well it has no structure but the tables are not that complicated |
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| 22:32.17 | stoned | jelly-home, ok |
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| 22:32.48 | rideh | grr dpkg is getting an attitude with me |
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| 22:32.58 | stoned | I doubt its going to be using stored procedures or foriegn keys etc. etc. |
| 22:33.01 | releod-mobile | stew: I think a wrapper would be probably best, as so I can modify permissions and maybe even include my public keys, and generate their keypair, I am the only person using the server, for personal projects. So I can get away with it in this case. However, what would I write the wrapper with? Would it be a simple shell script or a scripting language? |
| 22:33.03 | enouf | jhamlin: all i know is cifs is meant for win2k and newer, smbfs for legacy win9x versions - likely better security/permissions support with cifs as it pertains to ntfs , but check out the kernel ./Documentation/ in the kernel source |
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| 22:33.06 | stoned | c'mon its just a music db, but yeh, #amarok would know more |
| 22:33.19 | stew | releod-mobile: whatever you are most comfortable with |
| 22:34.02 | jhamlin | enouf: so do you think if the sever is a pretty old osx box then smbfs is more appropriate? |
| 22:34.36 | stew | jhamlin: no, cifs is |
| 22:34.41 | releod-mobile | stew: i'll try shell at first. I am a web developer by nature, so some of the system languages I am not fully on par with.. just yet :P |
| 22:34.45 | releod-mobile | stew: thanks though! |
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| 22:35.07 | enouf | jhamlin: no idea when it comes to osx/apple |
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| 22:38.57 | enouf | jhamlin: IIRC, the 1st early osx versions allowed booting into os9 as well .. are you sure it's running osx? and if so, try to find details/pitfalls/shortcomings about the version |
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| 22:41.15 | enouf | netatalk / adb / bonjour / avahi-daemon wouldn't be getting in the way, would it? </wild guesses> |
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| 22:41.33 | rideh | enouf, found a replacement - pysdm |
| 22:41.37 | stew | there is nothing in the way. everything is working as it is supposed to be |
| 22:42.04 | enouf | stew: except it's broken? :-P |
| 22:42.06 | stew | he just switched from smbfs to cifs and his cifs server is advanced enough to support unix permissions |
| 22:42.11 | stew | enouf: how is it broken? |
| 22:42.48 | enouf | stew: i thought he couldn't access files that he otherwise was able to earlier using smbfs |
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| 22:43.03 | enouf | rideh: ok |
| 22:43.16 | stew | enouf: yes, but this is by design |
| 22:43.44 | stew | enouf: cifs is smart enough to forward the unix permissions from one box to the other |
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| 22:43.56 | enouf | stew: i see - ok |
| 22:43.58 | stew | enouf: this is an issue for the sysadmin of the OSX box |
| 22:44.10 | stew | who apparantly are not willing to do anything about it |
| 22:44.11 | enouf | gotcha |
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| 22:45.06 | jhamlin | stew: well given that using smbfs doesn't give me these permissions problems and given that windows and mac don't have any problems with the server is there anything else I can try? I'm all out of ideas... one more time, here's my current fstab: "//132.239.73.224/User\040Files /home/me/fooserver_user_files cifs credentials=/root/.samba/fooserver,rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0" |
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| 22:45.30 | enouf | rideh: just a thought - the usbmount pkg might be useful .. not sure though |
| 22:45.31 | stew | jhamlin: you can get the administrator to change the permissions, or you can use smbfs |
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| 22:46.00 | jhamlin | stew: what specifically should I tell the admin to do? |
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| 22:46.34 | stew | jhamlin: change the permissions/ownership of the files/directories that that you think you should have access to |
| 22:46.47 | stew | jhamlin: which might require you guys somehow syncing uids/gids |
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| 22:47.01 | enouf | ahh the good ol' '\040' for a space in fstab - well, atleast that's not a "gotcha" for you ;-) |
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| 22:49.55 | jhamlin | stew: so the fact that it works okay with smbfs is a bug...? |
| 22:50.06 | stew | jhamlin: no |
| 22:50.59 | stew | jhamlin: the fact that cifs has more features than smbfs doesn't mean that smbfs is buggy |
| 22:52.08 | jhamlin | stew: ahhh okay I was under the impression that smbfs was buggy and that was the reason people were telling me to switch. glad to know that's not the case |
| 22:52.35 | stew | jhamlin: yes, smbfs is buggy |
| 22:53.40 | stew | the fact that smbfs doesn't support unix permsissions is not a bug however |
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| 22:53.56 | jhamlin | doh okay |
| 22:55.02 | troubled | stew: #-ot for a min? |
| 22:55.05 | jhamlin | stew: so perhaps the mac and windows clients also don't support unix permissions and that is why the mac and windows folks aren't having any problems with that server...? |
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| 22:55.22 | enouf | jhamlin: think of it like how fat/fat32/vfat also doesn't support permissions |
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| 22:57.17 | j`ey | woo, it found the card |
| 22:57.51 | enouf | jhamlin: and, IIUC, ntfs does indeed have some MPoop proprietary perm support, but not unix perm support, however, i think cifs is supposed to help bridge the gap? (so to speak) |
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| 22:59.07 | enouf | jhamlin: hence why cifs is meant for win2k and up (ntfs 5.0 FSs and newer) |
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| 22:59.36 | enouf | (not sure about 4.x versions with SP6 and such nonsense - ask ##windows about all that) |
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| 23:01.31 | enouf | j`ey: which one? the ace of spades or the queen of diamonds? :-p |
| 23:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhamlin, yeah, I agree with stew - if you get the permissions only on mount, obviously these permissions reflect some permissions on the server - so you should be able to change them there |
| 23:01.51 | j`ey | enouf: ACE OF SPADES, THE ACE OF SPADES |
| 23:02.06 | j`ey | is listening to Ace of Spades by Motorhead from No Remorse (â®â®â®â©â©) |
| 23:02.11 | enouf | Lemmy! |
| 23:02.24 | eject_ck | Hi all, I need move partition and create one additional with free space. I used partition magic under windows. Can anybody recommend something for Debian console, (gparted require X) |
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| 23:03.05 | enouf | eject_ck: man sfdisk |
| 23:03.07 | toolz | does anyone here knows how to make my attansic atheros gigabit incorporated lan WORK?! |
| 23:03.10 | stoned | sup |
| 23:03.14 | j`ey | enouf: seen it live :| |
| 23:03.22 | stoned | yo |
| 23:03.25 | toolz | I am sick of these attansic atheros nics |
| 23:03.27 | enouf | yo |
| 23:03.28 | toolz | shit things |
| 23:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, those are there - you shouldn't really need to do anything - did you run "m-a update" and "m-a prepare"? |
| 23:03.41 | stoned | stop with the spam |
| 23:03.48 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: i just umm |
| 23:04.01 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: follow some other instructions :S |
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| 23:04.29 | enouf | eject_ck: look at the -d option to make a backup copy prior, so you can always revert if you screw up ;-) |
| 23:04.47 | eject_ck | is it possible to resize / partition ? |
| 23:04.57 | enouf | eject_ck: gparted is also available as a livecd |
| 23:05.16 | eject_ck | enouf: problem is that I have only remote access |
| 23:05.24 | eject_ck | and ILO2 on that server |
| 23:05.32 | j`ey | lol, it says i have mail hehe |
| 23:05.38 | enouf | then you better be double careful - always keep open ssh access |
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| 23:05.54 | eject_ck | 99MB for my DOCSIS is not best way to resize |
| 23:05.59 | seed__ | Hi, what package contains uuid/uuid.h please ? |
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| 23:06.04 | eject_ck | Gparted live cd size |
| 23:06.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, now, shall we !tell you about lol? :) |
| 23:06.10 | eject_ck | thanks anyway |
| 23:06.17 | seed__ | is there a way to search a file in packages ? |
| 23:06.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell seed__ -about search |
| 23:06.18 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: oh gosh, go on then |
| 23:06.26 | enouf | eject_ck: growing/shrinking partitions and FSs is dependent on which FStypes mostly - and disk/block device setup/management |
| 23:06.36 | toolz | is there anyone who can help me install a nic on a debian machine?! |
| 23:07.05 | enouf | eject_ck: if LVM is involved, should be cake ;-) |
| 23:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, hehe... you can /msg it yourself... I was just trying to be bothersome |
| 23:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | seed__, see the private message from dpkg |
| 23:07.51 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: i used lol, and hehe |
| 23:07.58 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: so therefore, i balanced myself out |
| 23:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | seed__, apt-file is what you want |
| 23:08.03 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: and i didnt find it funny :/ |
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| 23:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | j`ey, -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 83244 Dec 2 16:04 acx100-2.6.26-1-686_20070101-3+2.6.26-8_i386.deb |
| 23:08.53 | seed__ | CutMeOwnThroat: I saw thank you |
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| 23:09.22 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: hey, it *works* now |
| 23:09.25 | j`ey | well i say that |
| 23:09.27 | j`ey | it *loads* |
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| 23:10.30 | j`ey | i added acx to /etc/moudles, didnt seem to work |
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| 23:10.42 | j`ey | and it wasnt because I just typed modules then! |
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| 23:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | modprobe acx100 |
| 23:12.46 | HisDudeness | debian.org down? I can't load wnpp. :-/ |
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| 23:13.57 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: gimme some time son! |
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| 23:14.46 | havocologe | is there a way to get something like suexec for php-fastcgi done with mod_php for apache? |
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| 23:15.19 | stew | HisDudeness: yes, rietz is down for scheduled maintenance, http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ works though |
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| 23:15.28 | enouf | i suppose sux doesn't help? |
| 23:15.38 | stew | JordiGH: oh, actually, its back up, but slow |
| 23:15.38 | JordiGH | I forgot I was wearing that nick. |
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| 23:16.14 | grendal_prime | I got two machines that are running openvpn and im exporting the keys dir and mouting it on the second machine (that way i can use the same keys on two diff servers wich i thought was pretty clever) However even though i am the root user on the second machine i still do not have permissons to get into the keys dir, Does root have to have the same uid on both machines? |
| 23:16.43 | grendal_prime | and if so is there a way around that? |
| 23:16.51 | Phlogi | hmm I don't find /etc/event.d/ on my debian machine... has this changed? |
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| 23:16.52 | Phlogi | If everything is working, kill lighttpd. Exit back to a user that has `sudo` privileges. We are going to create a script to launch this lighttpd session automatically when the system starts. Edit the file `/etc/event.d/local-git-web` and add the following. |
| 23:17.02 | DexterF | hi |
| 23:17.05 | clever | grendal_prime: in the exports, theres an option to make root != root |
| 23:17.22 | FredZ | How do I get xen doms to auto start after a systen boot? |
| 23:17.30 | clever | grendal_prime: its basicaly a security thing, if i steal the ip of your nfs client, i have my own root, and you may not want that to become root on the server |
| 23:17.49 | clever | grendal_prime: its called no_root_squash on my nfsd |
| 23:18.01 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: so umm |
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| 23:18.21 | stew | grendal_prime: "man exports" and search for sqash |
| 23:18.23 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: how do I make it use the wireless card, instead of the wired? :| |
| 23:18.26 | stew | grendal_prime: err squash |
| 23:18.51 | DexterF | when I issue this command: ssh joe@box command $HOME/ -- then $HOME is set from the source, not the ssh dest, right? how can I set $HOME so it's the destination's $HOME var? |
| 23:19.19 | JordiGH | DexterF: Try putting it in single quotes....? |
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| 23:19.29 | stew | grendal_prime: it might be safer to instead make the directory 770 and owned by some group in common or some such |
| 23:20.00 | DexterF | JordiGH: indeed - but why? I don't get it |
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| 23:20.34 | enouf | FredZ: i'm not sure - but grub's menu.lst has some xen boot options and also look in /etc/default/* for related configs |
| 23:20.55 | JordiGH | DexterF: The local shell parses $HOME before passing the command to ssh... when you single quote it, the local shell passes the string to $HOME as it is without parsing it, and then the remote shell interprets that string. |
| 23:22.06 | JordiGH | DexterF: It's kinda fun when you realise how much bash does and how much ls does when you do "ls *.txt". |
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| 23:22.45 | DexterF | JordiGH: yes, of course. thanks. but still won't work the way I put it in a script. I have all the options in a variable pass that to the ssh call. like ssh $HOST $OPTIONS. options include the log dir for a vncviewer like -o $HOME/.vnc/log |
| 23:24.15 | \amethyst | ! assignment is To assign to a variable, use varname=value . Do not include spaces around the '=', and do not write $varname on the left hand side. The value must be a word, but does not undergo word-splitting or globbing. Assign to an array with arr=( value1 value2 ) or an array element with arr[i+1]=value . |
| 23:24.15 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 23:24.20 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:24.27 | \amethyst | wrong channel :( |
| 23:25.06 | JordiGH | DexterF: How is it not working? When I put |
| 23:25.09 | DexterF | JordiGH: http://de.pastebin.ca/1274339 <- if you have a sec and can look at the two lines? |
| 23:25.15 | JordiGH | ssh otherhost 'echo $HOSTNAME' |
| 23:25.17 | JordiGH | it works here. |
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| 23:26.04 | JordiGH | DexterF: It's not loading here... try rafb? |
| 23:26.11 | DexterF | sec |
| 23:26.46 | DexterF | JordiGH: http://rafb.net/p/ENE7we44.html |
| 23:27.01 | JordiGH | Decepticon: SINGLE quotes! |
| 23:27.04 | JordiGH | ' not " |
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| 23:27.25 | JordiGH | bash interpolates double quotes but not single quotes. |
| 23:28.02 | j`ey | how can i make my system use the wireless card? instead of the wired? |
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| 23:28.35 | DexterF | JordiGH: yes but when I set the entire cmd line in single quotes the script doesn't work anymore at all |
| 23:29.01 | DexterF | '$HOME' in that line alone won't work either |
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| 23:29.16 | toolz | is there anyone here who can help me install an atheros L1 nic? It is not recognised by debian |
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| 23:29.41 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: are you there? if not, why not? |
| 23:29.44 | JordiGH | DexterF: Are all the env variables in the remote or local machine? |
| 23:30.17 | JordiGH | DexterF: Also, variable names are case sensitive in bash. |
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| 23:30.52 | enouf | toolz: USB? PCI? |
| 23:31.07 | toolz | PCI |
| 23:31.19 | toolz | gigabit |
| 23:31.50 | ricosecada | I am looking for some kind of php banner system to be installed on a couple of etch production servers.. I haven't dealt with this before any recommendations on a particular well known, secure and working solution? |
| 23:32.30 | DexterF | JordiGH: the vars are all supposed to be set by the local box, only $HOME needs to bet set by remote |
| 23:32.32 | ulifer | Do any of you have iceweasel and can't view images sometimes? like the photos on this for instance http://tinyurl.com/5u46xq |
| 23:32.32 | enouf | toolz: /msg dpkg atl1 |
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| 23:32.43 | ulifer | I'm not sure how to fix this, any ideas? |
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| 23:32.48 | enouf | toolz: and possibly /msg dpkg atl1e (if applicable) |
| 23:33.20 | toolz | enouf, ok thank you for your reply, one question, *can it be installed?* |
| 23:33.22 | DexterF | JordiGH: I could just parse the username passed to the script of course :P |
| 23:33.48 | DexterF | not really what I wanted but hey... timtowtdi |
| 23:33.50 | enouf | toolz: i have never tried, and i don't do wifi ;-) |
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| 23:34.11 | j`ey | dude wut |
| 23:34.21 | j`ey | jberg: jberg! |
| 23:34.21 | JordiGH | DexterF: Then write... |
| 23:34.22 | enouf | toolz: if your kernel is 2.6.18 , you might want to upgrade to etchnhalf .24 or further |
| 23:34.32 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.32 | j`ey | jberg: coincidence mania |
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| 23:34.46 | JordiGH | DexterF: and don't put any quotes anywhere else. |
| 23:34.55 | DexterF | JordiGH: uh huh |
| 23:35.08 | toolz | enouf, yeah my kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 23:35.19 | toolz | enouf, and I never updated my kernel, can you gimme a hand on how to do it? |
| 23:35.24 | enouf | toolz: well, the factoid mentions .21 and up |
| 23:35.29 | toolz | yeah I noticed |
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| 23:35.48 | enouf | toolz: sure, apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image | grep 24 |
| 23:36.10 | enouf | toolz: ensure you have security repos listed in your sources.list |
| 23:36.40 | toolz | yes I have |
| 23:36.54 | toolz | linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 23:37.03 | ulifer | so it doesn't happen to anyone in here with iceweasel? |
| 23:37.04 | toolz | I have a intel core 2 duo |
| 23:37.06 | toolz | an |
| 23:37.07 | enouf | toolz: then choose the appropriate kernel and install it - or just apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 (if you indeed use -686) |
| 23:37.14 | enouf | yep |
| 23:37.21 | enouf | that's the one |
| 23:37.23 | toolz | ok |
| 23:37.38 | JordiGH | ulifer: Why are you spamming us? |
| 23:37.43 | toolz | enouf, will I need to reboot? |
| 23:38.12 | enouf | toolz: yes - also make sure you keep known working kernels around until atleast you are sure newer ones boot and work correctly |
| 23:38.27 | toolz | ok |
| 23:38.32 | toolz | this shouldn't have a problem? |
| 23:38.38 | toolz | the one I am installing now |
| 23:38.42 | enouf | toolz: most cases, no prob |
| 23:38.53 | toolz | most cases? What if I'm not in those cases |
| 23:38.54 | toolz | lol |
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| 23:38.57 | JordiGH | ulifer: Oh, you just wanted to show us the page that wouldn't load images? |
| 23:38.59 | enouf | toolz: debian works hard to make this easy to do |
| 23:39.19 | JordiGH | ulifer: I've had that problem in FreeBSD with Firefox, but not in Debian. Turned out some png libraries needed updating. |
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| 23:39.50 | enouf | toolz: you might want to familiarize yourself a bit better with debian, so you feel more confident .. with time .. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 23:40.00 | toolz | ok thanks |
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| 23:40.16 | toolz | it done, installed that image, should I do anything else before rebooting? |
| 23:40.22 | ulifer | JordiGH: oh |
| 23:40.42 | enouf | toolz: no .. just .. did update-grub run already? |
| 23:41.07 | toolz | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 23:41.23 | enouf | toolz: upon kernel installation, mkinitramfs-kpkg and update-grub should've ran |
| 23:41.30 | enouf | ok |
| 23:42.14 | toolz | yeah |
| 23:42.14 | toolz | Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk. |
| 23:42.15 | enouf | then reboot normally and choose the new kernel at the grub menu |
| 23:42.15 | toolz | ok |
| 23:42.15 | toolz | let me try it |
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| 23:43.44 | SparFux | which free flashplayer do you recommend for firefox? |
| 23:43.49 | SparFux | for wathcing youtube? |
| 23:43.54 | stew | SparFux: gnash |
| 23:43.59 | enouf | none, use mplayer :-P |
| 23:44.29 | JordiGH | stew: I've had better luck with swfdec myself. |
| 23:44.47 | stew | i've not tried it, gnash works ok |
| 23:44.50 | JordiGH | SparFux: The only free choices are swfdec and gnash, try both. Or try youtube-dl and vlc. :-) |
| 23:45.16 | SparFux | jordi: oh really. Well my gxine can display flash too, but I cannot use it for displaying flash with firefox. |
| 23:45.18 | enouf | or /msg dpkg youtube script (also, some like clive) |
| 23:45.36 | enouf | nm then |
| 23:45.48 | SparFux | my mplayer can view flash, too. |
| 23:45.52 | SparFux | but in firefox it doesn't work. |
| 23:45.58 | JordiGH | SparFux: swfdec and gnash have Debian Seawolf plugins. |
| 23:46.07 | SparFux | seawolf? |
| 23:46.09 | JordiGH | Lightningduck. |
| 23:46.11 | enouf | SparFux: which release? if lenny, you might want to try midori (and backport it from sid) |
| 23:46.14 | JordiGH | Fireslug. |
| 23:46.20 | JordiGH | Powermongoose. |
| 23:46.32 | SparFux | enouf: THX! Sounds GREAT! |
| 23:46.33 | enouf | Fireturkeypoop |
| 23:46.33 | JordiGH | Whatever. :-) |
| 23:46.38 | SparFux | enouf: 3.0.2 |
| 23:46.43 | SparFux | enouf: sid. |
| 23:47.06 | SparFux | midori, hm... |
| 23:47.28 | SparFux | in faact, firefox has 90% of code and stuff I don't need at all! |
| 23:47.38 | enouf | er 3.what? |
| 23:47.40 | enouf | ii midori 0.1.0-1 Fast and lightweight web browser |
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| 23:51.31 | toolz | enouf, ok it booted everything is fine :) |
| 23:51.39 | enouf | toolz: \o/ |
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| 23:52.10 | SparFux | enouf: but can I use youtube-dl script inside firefox, too? |
| 23:52.25 | enouf | SparFux: no idea .. never used it |
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| 23:52.48 | toolz | enouf: is this the one? ftp://ftp.hogchain.net/pub/linux/attansic/kernel_driver/atl1-2.1.3-linux-2.6.24-standalone.tar.gz |
| 23:52.50 | enouf | likely not, without some serious overhauling |
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| 23:53.08 | SparFux | gnash doesn't work for me all the time. eveyr third video isn't displayed. |
| 23:53.17 | enouf | !atl1 |
| 23:53.17 | dpkg | atl1 is probably a driver for the Attansic (now Atheros) L1 gigabit ethernet chipset, found in several Asus motherboards. Driver present in mainline kernels 2.6.21 and later ("modprobe atl1"). For kernels older than 2.6.21, use of the vendor driver is recommended. See http://atl1.sf.net for known bugs/problems and the vendor driver. |
| 23:53.22 | jhamlin | stew: many thanks for all the help. |
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| 23:53.56 | SparFux | I bet midori has no noscript plugin! |
| 23:54.07 | Elite | what is the redhat ent channel? |
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| 23:54.57 | Octalot | SparFux: right-click, "copy link location", switch window, youtube-dl '<middle mouse>' . Or clive, they're very similar. |
| 23:55.29 | SparFux | octalot: yes, I think of having something more comfortable. :-) |
| 23:56.16 | jhamlin | enouf: and CutMeOwnThroat: also many thanks for the help |
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| 23:57.32 | toolz | enouf, still here? I got that driver for the kernel I installed, now how do I install the driver? I mean I got it I extracted it, I tryed make and I get: Makefile:58: *** Linux kernel source not found. Stop. |
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| 23:59.50 | enouf | toolz: "modprobe -l atl1" |