| 00:00.10 | toolz | enouf: /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/kernel/drivers/net/atl1/atl1.ko |
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| 00:00.43 | enouf | toolz: so, forget about the src, you already have the correct kernel module - note the factoid says "modprobe atl1" |
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| 00:01.19 | toolz | enouf, ok .. and what should I do then? |
| 00:02.47 | enouf | toolz: oh, ok - install wireless-tools pkg and inquire about wifi to others here - i think iwconfig and iwlist commands would be apropos - also /msg dpkg/ interfaces |
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| 00:03.05 | enouf | !tell toolz about interfaces |
| 00:03.32 | toolz | enouf, well yeah but lspci shows me the same |
| 00:03.41 | toolz | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0) |
| 00:03.47 | SparFux | midori sounds interesting! |
| 00:03.50 | amphi | !give enouf some wireless |
| 00:03.51 | dpkg | gives enouf some wireless |
| 00:03.55 | enouf | toolz: dpkg -L <pkgname> will print out files from pkg - see /usr/share/doc/* files and man pages for info |
| 00:04.02 | SparFux | But for me the noscript plugin is missing. It's a great security thingy. |
| 00:04.03 | enouf | amphi: :-P |
| 00:04.16 | amphi | toolz: did you run update-pciids ? |
| 00:04.18 | enouf | toolz: run update-pciids |
| 00:04.23 | toolz | I didn't |
| 00:04.24 | enouf | !echo |
| 00:04.24 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
| 00:04.28 | amphi | heh |
| 00:04.36 | enouf | also do update-usbids while you |
| 00:04.42 | enouf | 're at it ;-) |
| 00:04.47 | toolz | fucksake 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev b0) |
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| 00:05.49 | enouf | SparFux: once you find noscript/flashblocker let me know - i need them too :-P |
| 00:05.50 | toolz | still now showing as an interface |
| 00:06.12 | SparFux | enouf: yes, a pity. only mozilla does have them. :-( |
| 00:06.19 | amphi | toolz: ifconfig -a doesn't show it? |
| 00:06.23 | enouf | toolz: iwconfig is the ifconfig equivalent but for wireless, i guess |
| 00:06.32 | DexterF | JordiGH: yay, got it. took more tinkering than I thught... |
| 00:06.34 | DexterF | +o |
| 00:06.35 | enouf | SparFux: ouch - .. get busy ;-) |
| 00:06.42 | SparFux | enouf: so you can't use them from mozilla in midori? |
| 00:06.48 | JordiGH | DexterF: What was the solution? |
| 00:06.48 | toolz | its not wireless |
| 00:06.51 | toolz | its incorporated |
| 00:06.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | toolz, tried banging on the computer? |
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| 00:06.56 | amphi | enouf: w3m supports noscript outta the box ;) |
| 00:06.58 | enouf | SparFux: you find out - then let me know |
| 00:07.04 | toolz | lol :P |
| 00:07.06 | enouf | amphi: heh - bastage! |
| 00:07.07 | SparFux | enouf: k |
| 00:07.15 | enouf | amphi: links2 does as well :-) |
| 00:07.15 | toolz | yeah ifconfig -a shows eth2 |
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| 00:07.29 | enouf | toolz: oh, it's wired? |
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| 00:07.36 | enouf | toolz: sorry :-P |
| 00:07.36 | amphi | wireful |
| 00:07.39 | DexterF | JordiGH: checking if there's a "@" in $1 (the ssh target) and if so extract the username and use that, else use $USER from the local box |
| 00:07.41 | Gigantic | oh well I have no idea what happened |
| 00:07.46 | toolz | enouf, yes |
| 00:07.46 | toolz | :D |
| 00:07.50 | Gigantic | lsmod crashed kernel rofl |
| 00:07.59 | toolz | so it should work now, no? |
| 00:08.03 | JordiGH | DexterF: I don't get why you were having issues with my solution. It worked for me. :-/ |
| 00:08.05 | enouf | toolz: i know you told me- but it didn't register - my bad |
| 00:08.12 | enouf | toolz: yep |
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| 00:08.25 | toolz | GREAT SHIT, fuck freebsd *sorry for the swear* |
| 00:08.27 | enouf | toolz: did you go over the interfaces info |
| 00:08.35 | toolz | yeah |
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| 00:09.02 | S-i-A | hi all |
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| 00:09.33 | S-i-A | how can i reconnect in ncftp or set to automatic reconnect? |
| 00:09.35 | toolz | yeah well thanks guys |
| 00:10.43 | DexterF | JordiGH: simple: the command for ssh looked like this: cmd=" blah $HOME blah". if I put $HOME in single quotes it stopped working |
| 00:10.43 | toolz | one more thing how do I activate this machine as a gateway? |
| 00:10.53 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 00:10.53 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 00:11.19 | JordiGH | DexterF: What did you write down *exactly*? |
| 00:11.27 | DexterF | sec |
| 00:12.06 | DexterF | cmd="x11vnc -display :$disp -localhost $OPTIONS -o '$HOME'/.vnc/vnclog" |
| 00:12.27 | dacs | does anyone having any luck installing Hauppauge HVR-1600 in debian etch? |
| 00:12.29 | dniel | dou you know something about iSCSI? |
| 00:12.36 | SparFux | Yeah, midori crashed already :-) |
| 00:12.41 | JordiGH | DexterF: ... |
| 00:13.08 | SparFux | nono, I'll stick with firefox. It has noscript, cookieculer, ed2k protocol handler and more! |
| 00:13.09 | DexterF | JordiGH: what? |
| 00:13.10 | JordiGH | DexterF: Let me fetch the scrollback buffer... |
| 00:13.20 | DexterF | I tried all in '' as well |
| 00:13.35 | JordiGH | <JordiGH> cmd="x11vnc -display :$disp -localhost $OPTIONS -o "'$HOME'"/.vnc/vnclog" |
| 00:13.42 | rideh | i think i installed compiz instead of compiz fusion |
| 00:13.47 | S-i-A | any idea? |
| 00:13.48 | JordiGH | DexterF: ^^ |
| 00:14.01 | DexterF | JordiGH: uh... didn't see that... |
| 00:15.23 | DexterF | alright, I'll try that, too.... |
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| 00:15.56 | JordiGH | DexterF: If you're gonna be doing much more of this sort of thing, I recommend you start hanging out in #bash. ;-) |
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| 00:17.22 | DexterF | JordiGH: I actually used to hang out there a lot but the people there are very... autocratic at times and tend to assume just because they saw the big picture everybody else has to, too. |
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| 00:17.37 | JordiGH | DexterF: That's true of most of IRC... |
| 00:17.45 | DexterF | and that's from someone who's in #debian |
| 00:17.46 | j`ey | that is IRC :| |
| 00:17.54 | bob1 | hi, i was thinking about creating a debian package... it isn't in testing/unstable ... how can i tell if it is queued up somewhere? |
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| 00:18.07 | crashdummy | should * * * * * crash touch /home/crash/cronfile |
| 00:18.10 | crashdummy | not work? |
| 00:18.12 | abrotman | DexterF: what .. you've never been here .. not once .. never ever! |
| 00:18.29 | crashdummy | my syslog is telling me its running but the file is not getting created |
| 00:18.44 | \amethyst | crashdummy: where? in a user crontab or in /etc/crontab ? |
| 00:18.44 | Firefishe | Gretterz |
| 00:18.46 | DexterF | abrotman: kilobytes of logs tell otherwise ;) |
| 00:18.54 | abrotman | DexterF: you couldn't smell the sarcasm? |
| 00:18.56 | crashdummy | \amethyst: does it matter? /etc/crontab |
| 00:19.06 | abrotman | DexterF: you really haven't been around in awhile .. |
| 00:19.06 | DexterF | abrotman: you didn't see the smiley? |
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| 00:19.10 | \amethyst | crashdummy: it matters because user crontabs don't have the 'user name' field |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | you don't have logs?! |
| 00:19.22 | crashdummy | \amethyst: ok |
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| 00:19.50 | DexterF | abrotman: well, I'm pretty busy right now taking certifications. haven't had much time tinkering with my penguins. unfortunately. life is hell. |
| 00:20.14 | crashdummy | \amethyst: as i said syslog does not report any error |
| 00:20.29 | crashdummy | its telling me the command has run |
| 00:20.37 | Firefishe | I need to know something: Let's say, for example, I had installed a lenny/2.6.26-1-686 32-bit environment, then d/l a bizcard netinstall for a 64-bit environment. Then resized the original 32-bit partition, and reinstalled lenny/64 bit on top of that. Is the other partition toast? |
| 00:20.41 | abrotman | DexterF: at least you don't live in the arctic circle? :) |
| 00:21.17 | bob1 | no? |
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| 00:21.25 | Firefishe | heya craigevil |
| 00:21.32 | \amethyst | crashdummy: strange, the file should be created then |
| 00:21.36 | DexterF | abrotman: nope, takes me less than 10min to reach a 24/7 gas station (=beer) or McDonald's :) |
| 00:21.37 | crashdummy | :/ |
| 00:21.42 | stew | bob1: /msg dpkg wnpp ; /msg dpkg itp |
| 00:21.43 | \amethyst | crashdummy: assuming user 'crash' has write access to /home/crash/ |
| 00:21.47 | abrotman | hell indeed |
| 00:21.52 | crashdummy | yes since its his own dir |
| 00:22.09 | crashdummy | if i change to root then it must work |
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| 00:23.13 | crashdummy | \amethyst: nope still does not work |
| 00:23.15 | DexterF | abrotman: that didn't imply *you* are in the arctic circle..? |
| 00:24.09 | Firefishe | 5 |
| 00:24.10 | Elite | what is the redhat ent channel? |
| 00:24.14 | Firefishe | sorry.. |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | DexterF: not me .. my brother is the crazy one |
| 00:24.50 | abrotman | Elite: #redhat .. maybe? |
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| 00:24.54 | DexterF | abrotman: what's he doing up there? |
| 00:24.58 | crashdummy | ive never experienced cron not working |
| 00:25.00 | abrotman | DexterF: he was on the other end |
| 00:25.18 | stoned | i have |
| 00:25.23 | DexterF | s/up/down/ |
| 00:25.23 | abrotman | DexterF: doing IT stuff for research scientists |
| 00:25.31 | stoned | of course i fucked up when i first made the cron |
| 00:25.34 | stoned | but yeh, it didn't work |
| 00:25.35 | DexterF | abrotman: well, sounds cool at least.. |
| 00:25.40 | abrotman | meh |
| 00:25.42 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 00:26.07 | abrotman | crashdummy: does /etc/crontab exist ? |
| 00:26.52 | crashdummy | yes |
| 00:27.03 | crashdummy | that is where i have added my cron lines |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | use the full path to touch ? |
| 00:27.30 | enouf | bingo |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | is my name-o |
| 00:27.42 | crashdummy | yea |
| 00:27.48 | crashdummy | i just did that before i looked here |
| 00:27.50 | crashdummy | and it worked :) |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | oh sure .. take my credit |
| 00:27.59 | crashdummy | that should be added in the # comment |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | TBF .. you should use the full path or `which touch` |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | or $(which touch) |
| 00:28.53 | abrotman | wait .. that might not be right |
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| 00:29.36 | abrotman | anyways .. the which foo will make it a bit more portable, if it needs to be, since foo may not always live in the same place |
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| 00:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | only if which is internal, in /bin or /usr/bin |
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| 00:32.47 | enouf | how about if the user has a custom touch in /usr/local/bin, and that path is 1st in PATH |
| 00:33.23 | enouf | (just another thing to consider) |
| 00:33.58 | enouf | s/PATH/$PATH |
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| 00:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, crontab has it's own path |
| 00:34.12 | path | :/ |
| 00:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey path tell us all about you |
| 00:34.47 | abrotman | it's more portable than /usr/bin/touch |
| 00:35.14 | abrotman | which is all i said |
| 00:35.24 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: that depends on other factors as well - what if i specify PATH= in my crontab :-) |
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| 00:36.21 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: oh hi |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | enouf: what's wrong with having a custom 'touch' ? |
| 00:36.31 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: you running away from me? |
| 00:36.33 | abrotman | thinks we should pick a new binary name |
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| 00:36.47 | enouf | abrotman: nothing - except what it does might not be what's expected |
| 00:36.48 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: you'll be pleased? |
| 00:36.56 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: im telling you, you will |
| 00:37.00 | j`ey | CutMeOwnThroat: its all working |
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| 00:37.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, that is best... and most portable (but not secure) if you just put everything imaginable in PATH :) |
| 00:37.31 | abrotman | enouf: well, let's see, the user only has access to his own directory, and if some other user on the system is using that private 'touch' .. that's their problem |
| 00:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 00:37.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's gone |
| 00:37.50 | abrotman | and if the admin is doing it, it shouldn't be a harmful 'touch' |
| 00:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | now who's running away |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | okay .. new binary! |
| 00:38.13 | Helios | Hey guys, odd request - I've currently got a debian box set up and I'm looking to set up a HTTP proxy so I can browse the net through it (Nothing illegal, just they block certain websites at work) - I was prefferebly looking for something with accounts etc, any recommendations? |
| 00:38.28 | enouf | abrotman: stop thinking in circles please - consider other more capably harmful apps such as a custom ps |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | you mean with authentication ? |
| 00:38.41 | Helios | abrotman, yes, sorry :) |
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| 00:39.08 | abrotman | enouf: uhm .. if your normal user has already written to a privledged directory, you've got bigger issues |
| 00:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, oh... well, vor very occasional use I'd have said http://anonymouse.org/ .... as the only one whose name I can consistantly remember |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | and if your normal user is using custom binaries in someone else's dir, they deserve what they get i suppose |
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| 00:39.55 | Helios | Aye.. I'd preffer setting something up myself, I'm not so trusting of websites like that |
| 00:40.00 | runaeris | hi is there a way to make crontab get the schedule from a file? i'm not finding out a way. Thanks in advace |
| 00:40.16 | enouf | abrotman: if the admin uses something such as `which binary` instead of a hardcoded path (which generally are not user accessible to edit/change) then you might be in for a ride |
| 00:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, oh, you mean installing a proxy yourself on some home computer, so you can use it at work? |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | enouf: do your normal users edit the system/root's crontab on a regular basis ? |
| 00:40.42 | enouf | abrotman: i do see your point about portability though |
| 00:40.49 | enouf | especially across various OSes |
| 00:41.00 | Helios | CutMeOwnThroat, yep basically! |
| 00:41.01 | abrotman | i mean .. i don't let users on my systems edit the system cron to add a new PATH |
| 00:42.33 | abrotman | "debtags search use::proxying" returns a fair number |
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| 00:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, then just use ijb (Internet Junkbuster) or in Debian now only has privoxy left, which is based on it - supposing you don't want/need caching |
| 00:42.59 | enouf | abrotman: to alter a user's crontab only requires one to become that user, not root user |
| 00:43.04 | Gigantic | is there any 'comunity' non official sources for Fedora? |
| 00:43.16 | abrotman | enouf: your users share their passwords? |
| 00:43.22 | Gigantic | like for mp3s and other additional stuff |
| 00:43.27 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 00:43.33 | enouf | abrotman: do you disagree to become another user is easier than to become root? |
| 00:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, it just filters spam, but is non-caching (caching doesn't make so much sense for your applicaation anyways, filtering does) |
| 00:43.43 | Gigantic | geese |
| 00:43.49 | Gigantic | wrong channel again |
| 00:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal Gigantic |
| 00:44.07 | dpkg | points at Gigantic and laughs hysterically |
| 00:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, only if roots password is more complicated :-/ |
| 00:44.36 | Gigantic | lol sorry, since my Debian broke I'm testing F before reinstallin >.> |
| 00:44.44 | Gigantic | ashamed |
| 00:44.56 | Helios | Ok cool, I'll have a look |
| 00:44.58 | Helios | Thanks guys! |
| 00:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, checking if it has auth |
| 00:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, hm, actually, if it hasnt - can you do ssh from work? |
| 00:45.32 | Helios | Yeh that's fine I can tunnel |
| 00:45.34 | Gigantic | abrotman: lsmod made my kernel panic lol |
| 00:45.54 | Gigantic | I've no the slightest clue on wth happened |
| 00:45.55 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i'd have to say there are more easily exploitable vectors of attack to obtain a user's credentials ... |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | Gigantic: i fail to see the humor |
| 00:46.09 | Helios | I was kinda hoping to give my other work mates the 'auth' info for it though |
| 00:46.29 | Gigantic | abrotman: have you seen a kernel to panic after doing 'lsmod' ? |
| 00:46.31 | abrotman | enouf: a hole is a hole ... |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | Gigantic: depmod -a ? are your module tools up to date? |
| 00:46.54 | enouf | abrotman: and a warm hole is a desireable one :-P |
| 00:47.07 | abrotman | lovely |
| 00:47.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, ah, ok - I normally just let the proxy listen on localhost:80, then run something like ssh -L 27000:myhost:27000 -L 26999:myhost:26999 myhost which works good enough |
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| 00:47.49 | abrotman | Gigantic: does the /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/ exist ? |
| 00:47.54 | Gigantic | abrotman: before runing that I wanted to see the installed modules and got that... I'm just reinstalling again tomorrow... |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | Gigantic: can you reinstall the kernel image? |
| 00:48.19 | Helios | Ahhh |
| 00:48.21 | Gigantic | abrotman: mmm, may try |
| 00:48.25 | Helios | Thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:48.27 | abrotman | you haven't yet? |
| 00:48.50 | Gigantic | I had problems with the gcc |
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| 00:49.08 | Gigantic | uncompatible version it said |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | gcc? |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | you compiled your own ? |
| 00:49.20 | elvedin | So if I deleted a large file I was download through Apache and it doesn't show up in the directory list but the download is still going, is it buffered or something or am I downloading whatever is now in the place the file use to be? |
| 00:49.25 | Gigantic | when I tried to buil one |
| 00:50.01 | Gigantic | abrotman: yes, after the other one broke |
| 00:50.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, ok, seems it has only ACLs - so if your work-computers have fixed IPs (or one fixed IP through NAT to the outside), you can allow just that, but there is no password authentification, afaics |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | can't mount root ? |
| 00:50.39 | Helios | CutMeOwnThroat, hmmmm, sadly we have dynamic |
| 00:50.49 | Gigantic | abrotman: it will really be easy to reinstall, no big deal really but ty =) |
| 00:50.59 | abrotman | Gigantic: it's more fun to fix it! |
| 00:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, there is some mention of HTTP authentification in the config file also, but... I don't see how that should work |
| 00:51.17 | Gigantic | lol, yes... |
| 00:51.51 | Helios | hmmm |
| 00:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, of course, you can always go with one of the big, caching proxies like squid (btw - apache also has a proxy module, so if you're running apache, you can run it in proxy mode as well... haven't done that, though) |
| 00:51.53 | Tramp | elvedin: you are still downloading the "deleted" file |
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| 00:52.29 | Helios | Yeh I heard squid was the way to go |
| 00:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, yeah, if you have 10000 users you want to cache for and have several intercommunicating proxy servers, it definitely is ;) |
| 00:53.29 | Helios | haha |
| 00:53.32 | Helios | more like 3 people :P |
| 00:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, you might look through the output of apt-cache --names-only search proxy - there are actually quite some more around - these are only the ones I used |
| 00:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, you can get a package summary with apt-cache show packagename |
| 00:54.38 | elvedin | Tramp: Oh, so its integrity remains? |
| 00:54.53 | Helios | Ok, I'll have a looksie |
| 00:54.56 | Tramp | elvedin: yes |
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| 00:55.20 | elvedin | How is that (or is there a search engine term for me to search for to figure out on my own) |
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| 00:55.52 | elvedin | It's an 8GB file, so if it's buffered somewhere |
| 00:55.58 | Tramp | elvedin: your "rm" only removes the entry from the directory. But if a process still has an open file-descriptor for that file, the space it actually occupies will not be freed |
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| 00:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, ffproxy, filterproxy, micro-proxy, simpleproxy, tinyproxy, ziproxy look kind of promising from those |
| 00:56.49 | enouf | abrotman: CutMeOwnThroat just to finish up .. consider how some users are given full sudo access without requiring passwd (which a you know is effectively root), ...and even if only _some_particular_ sudo access (for particular apps only) .. |
| 00:57.02 | enouf | s/a// |
| 00:57.02 | abrotman | enouf: see above about moron admins :) |
| 00:57.10 | Tramp | elvedin: only after all processes have closed FDs which refer to that file, it's inode and thus subsequently the dnodes (=data) it occupies will be made available. |
| 00:57.10 | acutedeath | i just installed a different windows version. what is the fastest way to restore grub to my boot sector? my old installation is still intact. |
| 00:57.17 | enouf | abrotman: oh? i missed the show? :-P |
| 00:57.30 | elvedin | Oh sweet, thanks |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | i made a comment somewhere above roughly the same .. but anyways ... |
| 00:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Helios, if you use privoxy, make sure to load a blocklist from somewhere on the internet - just google for it... there are pretty comprehensive lists which will block most ads quite nicely.... |
| 00:57.39 | elvedin | Now I don't need to redownload a very large file |
| 00:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well, I was just objecting to your "easier" - we didn't talk about secure ;) |
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| 01:00.27 | enouf | ... |
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| 01:03.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 01:04.56 | rgr | I have a process "python" running and eating one of my system cores. Any idea how to find out how and why its running? Its something that started a couple of days ago and wont go away. Debian lenny. |
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| 01:05.06 | pgpkeys | having issues with ntop dying with no errors in its logfile or in syslog |
| 01:05.09 | pgpkeys | even with debugging turned on. |
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| 01:05.34 | enouf | using the 'web' iface? |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | rgr: wait 3-5 days, it'll come out the other end of the python |
| 01:05.41 | pgpkeys | enouf : yeah |
| 01:05.46 | enouf | yuck |
| 01:05.49 | rgr | good fooling today :-; |
| 01:05.54 | enouf | dunno |
| 01:06.03 | abrotman | rgr: look at the PPID perhaps |
| 01:06.04 | pgpkeys | monitoring it from another box |
| 01:06.08 | onetinsoldier | hello. i installed a new kernel and then tried to install the ati fglrx driver, which can be picky about kernel versions it works with. i uninstalled fglrx altogether. ever since, i get an error trying to start up 'powershell'. everything else seems to be working well(X is fine but not 100% perfect). would anyone want to look at the errors from powershell in #flood? |
| 01:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, the little prince-fan, eh? |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | a what? |
| 01:06.19 | Gigantic | wow, yum is so slow... |
| 01:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | "look it's an elephant" |
| 01:06.36 | Gigantic | were?! |
| 01:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | inside the python, of course |
| 01:06.57 | enouf | onetinsoldier: for the 3rd time - at this point allow me to ask for the last time, before i jump into the shower; lsmod | grep edac |
| 01:07.19 | onetinsoldier | enouf, ok.. hang on |
| 01:07.23 | pgpkeys | http://<internal_name>:<internal_port>/thptStats.html is what i watch |
| 01:07.50 | enouf | onetinsoldier: sorry - you mentioned some 'powershell' mpoop garb ... likely unrelated .. my bad |
| 01:08.03 | onetinsoldier | enouf, nothing returned. |
| 01:08.19 | rgr | typical. Think its the hp-systray. Will that ever work properly? |
| 01:08.22 | enouf | onetinsoldier: then ignore my query - all is well as far as that edac crap issue |
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| 01:08.33 | onetinsoldier | enouf, ok, roger. thanks |
| 01:08.39 | enouf | np |
| 01:08.42 | acutedeath | i'm trying to restore my boot sector after a windows install; do I want to use grub-install? it doesn't like my commands. |
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| 01:09.36 | abrotman | update-grub |
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| 01:10.20 | acutedeath | ty |
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| 01:11.24 | acutedeath | abrotman: well, I already have a menu.lst that knows my kernels. I think I might be missing something. |
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| 01:12.48 | acutedeath | i tried to use an install CD to reinstall GRUB via the the main installer, but it insisted I install the base system over my good one first. |
| 01:12.58 | acutedeath | i know there has to be a better way. |
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| 01:13.25 | abrotman | !tell acutedeath about rescue |
| 01:14.08 | acutedeath | oh yeah. |
| 01:14.32 | acutedeath | smacks self |
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| 01:16.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, ps auxwwww|grep python might tell you, going to /proc/<pid> would tell you it's homedirectory and the environment it was called with .... you can probably find out which files it has open with lsof |
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| 01:17.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or you can just kill the beast an see what happens |
| 01:17.57 | draeath | Can I coax the debian-installer to install to a file (created with mke2fs -F)? |
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| 01:18.23 | acutedeath | hmm, that link tells about getting a shell from the installer, etc, but as for regrubbing my boot sector... i'm ignorant. |
| 01:18.33 | draeath | I would like to do some testing, but silly me didn't realize XFS can't be shrunk when I set up this system, and I don't want to wipe my existing install. |
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| 01:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, yeah... PPID... didn't think of that |
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| 01:20.07 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | like .. 10 minutes ago |
| 01:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yes... that's why I said that I didn't think of it |
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| 01:20.59 | abrotman | but i told *him* that |
| 01:21.21 | terr_ | I'm interested in installing the latest flash player so I can see youtube. I'm running Debian sarge. Is there a .deb for this? any suggestions on how to install it? |
| 01:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why I didn't see it immediately |
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| 01:21.59 | stew | terr_: you should upgrade at least to etch. sarge is no longer supported, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 01:22.36 | Joelito | hi all: anyone know the name of the font used in debian logos? |
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| 01:23.54 | terr_ | stew ya - I know that |
| 01:24.11 | terr_ | stew - this version of sarge is pretty badly borken as well... |
| 01:24.19 | draeath | terr_, you can install it in your local profile instead of system wide, but that's a bit screwy to do. |
| 01:24.43 | draeath | basically use the official adobe installer for flash as your user, but then replace the .so it installs with the new one. |
| 01:24.46 | Debasser | question: I am trying to setup my linux box to be able to be telneted into by me at school but I keep failing. I know my ip address. my hostname is Aimee. so would the address be "Aimee@ip_address"? |
| 01:24.49 | stew | terr_: is there some reason that you aren't updating it? |
| 01:24.57 | terr_ | stew - the upgrade from woody left the system working - but with lotsa issues including it creates zombies like you will not beleive. |
| 01:25.06 | draeath | (when i tried, the beta was only available as the .so, the other file was absent and there was no installer) |
| 01:25.27 | terr_ | stew - Its my production machine.. at least it works. I have another newer machine and I'll probably go to Ubuntu on it. |
| 01:25.29 | abrotman | Debasser: ssh or telnet ? |
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| 01:25.41 | terr_ | stew - any reason I should NOT go to ubuntu? |
| 01:25.49 | Debasser | telnet, the computers at my school don't have ssh installed. such a bugger. |
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| 01:26.21 | saff | is there anyway to install debian right off a live cd? |
| 01:26.42 | cast|lir | yes. |
| 01:26.44 | stew | terr_: note that sarge is no longer getting secuirty updates and is known to have security vulnerabilities that nobody is fixing |
| 01:26.48 | cast|lir | debootstrap |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | Debasser: but you realize that telnet is *really* insecure ? |
| 01:26.51 | stew | terr_: i know little about ubuntu |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | Debasser: you could put putty on a usb drive ? |
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| 01:27.23 | terr_ | stew there are very few ports exposed.. it sits behind an openBSD firewall |
| 01:28.08 | Debasser | abrotman: true to that. I haven't looked but is there a standalone app for mac that could do ssh? Because one of my classes is in a mac lab and they don't have ssh installed and I haven't figured out the route password and sudo isn't installed so. |
| 01:28.33 | terr_ | Debasser: ssh should run on a mac |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | Debasser: if they're OSX .. they have ssh already installed IIRC |
| 01:28.42 | onetinsoldier | Debasser, do an nslookup on your ip.. it should show you the full name of your system |
| 01:29.06 | terr_ | Debasser: s/route/root/ |
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| 01:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Debasser, yes, there are ssh clients for pre-OSX macs - I think two different free(ish?) ones |
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| 01:30.50 | utorrent | sup |
| 01:31.48 | utorrent | wow debian is huge |
| 01:32.00 | draeath | anyone know if lenny can be installed into a file resident on a filesystem, instead of on a block device? |
| 01:32.20 | utorrent | 3 dvds for debian!? |
| 01:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | terr_, actually going etch->lenny was rather painless this time... perhaps you should still go for at least etch... but I see why you want to stick with it.... |
| 01:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | utorrent, use the net-install and install everything else from mirrors |
| 01:33.04 | utorrent | kk |
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| 01:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | quick guy |
| 01:33.28 | draeath | wow. |
| 01:33.34 | Debasser | ok, so would "Aimee@ip_address" me the location to get to. I can't figure out nslookup. I looked at the man but I am dazed and confuzed. what are the option that I use? |
| 01:33.36 | draeath | wait till he finds out about contrib and non-free |
| 01:33.49 | draeath | can see his/her jaw dropping now... |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | why do they matter? |
| 01:33.52 | terr_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I figure I'm wiser to not jeapardize this machine. I can install to a new HDD and remoce this one for $40 bux or less and its 2x as big and I can put this one in the bank vault as a backup |
| 01:34.11 | draeath | The absolute size of the debian repo is huge. |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 01:34.48 | terr_ | does anyone here have an opinion of Ubuntu verses the newest debian release? |
| 01:35.11 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18630 packages, 1731 maintainers, 41780 MB installed size, 13703 MB compressed size. |
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| 01:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | terr_, ha - you can still clone and update :) |
| 01:36.51 | draeath | abrotman, allow me to say... that's a damn lot of software |
| 01:37.13 | terr_ | CutMeOwnThroat: probably I jsut need to install and copy /home |
| 01:37.14 | abrotman | draeath: i bet freshmeat references a lot more |
| 01:37.41 | Gigantic | terr_: Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus |
| 01:37.53 | draeath | It still blows my mind |
| 01:38.11 | Gigantic | I dunno... Fedora is not bad but I miss dpkg |
| 01:38.13 | draeath | How much work, blood, sweat, tears, and love has gone into all this. Amazing. |
| 01:38.14 | Gigantic | !hug |
| 01:38.15 | dpkg | hugs gigantic |
| 01:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | terr_, you could "/msg dpkg why debian" - else... not really - only it's probably the most stupid moment to install a new system as ubuntu, when you would also get an up-to-date and stable system with lenny now (it's already frozen for months, so I would think you can kind of call it pre-stable or semi-stable now) |
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| 01:39.03 | terr_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I've actually never run Ubuntu |
| 01:39.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | terr_, one of the major differences is the 6-month release practice from ubuntu compared to the some-years cycle of debian... |
| 01:39.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | terr_, me neither :) - but I *do* know that they release all 6 months come what may |
| 01:39.33 | terr_ | CutMeOwnThroat: About all I'm wondering is if they have a lot of stuff pre-installed so I don't need to do it. |
| 01:39.43 | Gigantic | Ubuntu has bad practice in so many stuff |
| 01:39.52 | k-man | will fdisk let you modify a partition if the partition is in use? |
| 01:40.05 | k-man | or will it prevent you i should say |
| 01:40.09 | Gigantic | no |
| 01:40.14 | Gigantic | u don't want to |
| 01:40.20 | stew | k-man: you can edit a partition which is in use using fdisk |
| 01:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | terr_, but then, installing is "aptitude install somestuff someotherstuff morestuff", so I don't really see it's a big hassle (configuring might be, but for that it doesn't matter if it's pre-installed) |
| 01:40.32 | Gigantic | but is unsafe |
| 01:40.36 | stew | (potentially at your own peril) |
| 01:40.37 | draeath | terr_, not so much as MORE pre-installed, just different. But... usually if it's in debian, it's in ubuntu. just newer than debian stable usually. |
| 01:40.46 | k-man | ah - |
| 01:40.58 | stew | please take the ubuntu discussion to #ubuntu |
| 01:41.01 | k-man | well, i have a partition on my hdd which i think i created but never used - but now i can't remember |
| 01:41.01 | jpinx1 | k-man - be careful -- you could lose the partition |
| 01:41.24 | jpinx1 | k-man do fdisk -l to see what you've got |
| 01:41.27 | Gigantic | k-man: cfdisk |
| 01:41.31 | k-man | its marked as a "linux raid autodetect" partition but mdadm says its not part of an array |
| 01:41.43 | terr_ | draeath: I would expect that if its in debian it will be in ubuntu because ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 01:42.12 | Gigantic | !ubuntu |
| 01:42.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:42.19 | jpinx1 | k-man: you could do file -s <partition> to see what it is |
| 01:42.21 | terr_ | I just don't know what "extra" stuff would be in ubuntu... In fact I wish they would jsut work with the debian people and not try to brand their own |
| 01:42.23 | draeath | right. but they reserve the right to pull things for whatever reason. For instance, they probably won't have the debian artwork stuff. |
| 01:42.31 | Gigantic | See also #notinthischanel |
| 01:43.15 | draeath | shame that "other" channel has such a poor S:R. too many cooks. |
| 01:43.28 | terr_ | Gigantic: I've not made the decision yet. I've been very happy with Debian but some things take a bit of work... |
| 01:43.56 | terr_ | I had issues installing GRIP... I imagine all the basic multimedia stuff works now? |
| 01:44.21 | Gigantic | you won't see much difference there |
| 01:44.34 | Gigantic | in change... nvm |
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| 01:46.30 | Gigantic | How is that browsing about PAM I end up looking at a webpage of information about "extremism" ? |
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| 01:46.44 | Gigantic | The Internet is a dangerous place |
| 01:47.22 | abrotman | Gigantic: you should ask CutMeOwnThroat for a link |
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| 01:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ?? |
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| 01:49.45 | abrotman | send him the hippo! |
| 01:50.14 | nsadmin | terr_: of course you'll find different distros require different kinds and amounts of work |
| 01:50.54 | terr_ | nsadmin: what I find is that most stuff is fine... every once in a while I come across somethign which is broken |
| 01:50.59 | Gigantic | nsadmin: Nothing require more work than Slacky |
| 01:51.13 | nsadmin | unless you roll your own |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | looks at the channel name ... |
| 01:51.19 | nsadmin | which slack almost is |
| 01:51.28 | Gigantic | linuxfromscratch |
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| 01:52.09 | nsadmin | exactly, there's where the work is going to be... but any dist incl. debian can become linux from scratch if you remove their package database stuff |
| 01:52.09 | Gigantic | distracts abrotman with a shiny big red apple |
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| 01:52.40 | Gigantic | all distros would be so |
| 01:52.47 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 01:52.47 | Gigantic | but that's not the point |
| 01:53.33 | nsadmin | I'd say you'd choose based on what the machine would be used for |
| 01:53.34 | Gigantic | nsadmin: Debian doesn't require that much work compared to Ubuntu, it's just that Debian has a different focus |
| 01:53.41 | Gigantic | nsadmin: mt :p |
| 01:53.47 | Gigantic | terr_: ^ |
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| 01:53.58 | adub | has anyone in here setup kannel before ? |
| 01:54.04 | adub | its a WAP program |
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| 01:54.24 | Gigantic | terr_: I believe that you chose a distro for it's philosophy on doing stuff |
| 01:55.04 | nsadmin | if you're a philosophical user :) |
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| 01:55.50 | Gigantic | nsadmin: I don't mean that kind of philosophy... more like... What is Debian focused more on? stability or being fashion and having latest pkgs? surely not |
| 01:55.56 | nsadmin | the two areas where debian shines the most is in programming/development and stability as it applies to servers |
| 01:56.11 | Gigantic | in that case maybe Fedora or Ubuntu would be |
| 01:56.29 | onetinsoldier | !start a distro war |
| 01:56.30 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 01:56.34 | Gigantic | or Suse... but I'm a bit angry against them |
| 01:56.49 | nsadmin | I kinda liked suse' |
| 01:56.55 | nsadmin | s one config file idea |
| 01:57.02 | onetinsoldier | !red hat |
| 01:57.03 | dpkg | i heard red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge |
| 01:57.05 | k-man | so if mdadm reports a partition as not part of an array, and mount does not report the partition as mounted, can i be certain that its not in use? |
| 01:57.28 | Gigantic | I loved it, but they are doing things wrong now =\ they force stuff before they are ready... |
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| 01:57.49 | abrotman | k-man: at that moment, reasonably .. but that doesn't mean it's not setup to be in use elsewhere |
| 01:57.58 | nsadmin | so you like that debian takes its time then |
| 01:58.14 | jpinx1 | k-man: it also doesn't mean it's empty |
| 01:58.34 | nsadmin | there's support traffic... I'm yielding |
| 01:58.58 | onetinsoldier | you can always install and use 'testing'.... and debian appreciate bug reports ;-) |
| 01:59.05 | Gigantic | I like that Debian cares about the software being stable and safe, "Will be released once it is ready" instead of the "omg we have to release in 20 days a new version" |
| 01:59.17 | Gigantic | rite that |
| 01:59.26 | heffay | ditto that |
| 01:59.33 | k-man | abrotman: well, its not in fstab either - im fairly sure i never used it |
| 01:59.51 | k-man | abrotman: it was created for use as a swap partition but I tink i made a mistake when installing and it never got used |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:01.17 | Gigantic | dpkg needs a search engine ... |
| 02:01.17 | dpkg | Gigantic: i haven't a clue |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | search engine for what? |
| 02:02.03 | nsadmin | I'd like to see debian wait about 3-6 days after it would announce a release to get it on the mirrors first |
| 02:02.12 | Gigantic | search the factoids |
| 02:02.30 | Gigantic | nsadmin: haha |
| 02:02.45 | nsadmin | it' |
| 02:02.48 | jpinx1 | !clue |
| 02:02.48 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | Gigantic: there are multiple ways to search |
| 02:03.10 | asg | abrotman: but only one way to win |
| 02:03.15 | nsadmin | s annoying to try upgrading during that period |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | you could just wait a few days ... |
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| 02:03.43 | Gigantic | aye? how do you get all factoids that have the word... "flash" for example? |
| 02:03.58 | asg | Gigantic: /msg dpkg liskeys foo |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | Gigantic: /msg dpkg help |
| 02:04.07 | asg | Gigantic: /msg dpkg listvals bar |
| 02:04.08 | nsadmin | Gigantic: /msg dpkg listkeys research |
| 02:04.09 | Gigantic | ah, that |
| 02:04.20 | Gigantic | danke danke |
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| 02:09.23 | jpinx1 | It appears that i can fee dpkg almost any information I want - is there a censor/moderator? |
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| 02:10.13 | liable | not really. it has an owner |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | jpinx1: if we catch you, we can have you banned from the bot |
| 02:11.22 | linuxhelp_de | hello to all is this forum for debia |
| 02:11.32 | linuxhelp_de | n for pa-risc too? |
| 02:11.34 | abrotman | one of them |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | there is a #parisc i believe also .. but you can try here |
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| 02:11.59 | jpinx1 | abrotman: heh -- ok |
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| 02:12.44 | abrotman | oh .. the irc channel is dead |
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| 02:16.57 | obcecado | hi, i'm getting an error with wpa_supplicant and i was unable to find any answer on google. the error is the following: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - Disconnect event - remove keys |
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| 02:17.00 | obcecado | ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such file or directory |
| 02:17.10 | obcecado | it associates with AP |
| 02:17.21 | obcecado | and then outputs this error |
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| 02:18.29 | stoned | \o/ |
| 02:18.33 | stoned | =D |
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| 02:20.07 | cockroach | hey, stupid question: i'm looking for someone who speaks russian to help me figure out what this comment is supposed to mean: http://pastebin.ca/1274490 - google translate doesn't make it much better :) |
| 02:20.59 | asg | cockroach: ##russian |
| 02:21.06 | asg | !ru |
| 02:21.06 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 02:21.33 | cockroach | thanks, i'll try there |
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| 02:27.05 | Gigantic | haha, don't you love when the answer to your issue is in korean, russian and the alike? |
| 02:31.38 | nsadmin | especially when you're thinking in russian... damn, I do that all the time but there's a problem: I don't understand russian... |
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| 02:33.40 | cockroach | absolutely. this was actually a patch to some tool i wrote. i'm sure he *knows* i don't speak russian! :) |
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| 02:33.50 | Gigantic | there is always one of the little man inside my head that speak those rare languages, they can whisper me thing |
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| 02:37.04 | Gigantic | what was teh DEgbian based live cd for music? |
| 02:37.10 | Gigantic | nvm.. Agnula |
| 02:37.21 | nsadmin | denudi? |
| 02:38.04 | nsadmin | err demudi? |
| 02:39.08 | nsadmin | is there a full realtime kernel for debian? |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | not in debian |
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| 02:40.23 | nsadmin | is waldi working on anything like that (incl lowlat, etc) |
| 02:40.24 | adub | has anyone in here setup a WAP application called kannel before? |
| 02:40.49 | nsadmin | ! info kannel |
| 02:41.07 | nsadmin | !info kannel |
| 02:41.26 | Gigantic | .!anyone |
| 02:41.36 | dpkg | kannel: (WAP and SMS gateway), section net, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1097 kB, Installed size: 2724 kB |
| 02:41.38 | simonrvn | FFS |
| 02:42.11 | nsadmin | adub: looks that way |
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| 02:42.40 | adub | oh |
| 02:42.41 | Gigantic | nsadmin: http://lowlatency.linuxaudio.org/ |
| 02:42.45 | adub | nsadmin have you set it up |
| 02:43.05 | nsadmin | no, but it looks like there's a debian packAge of it |
| 02:43.39 | Gigantic | there is a Debian package for like everything tho |
| 02:43.41 | nsadmin | I havben't decided to leave the world of wired eth yet |
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| 02:44.31 | Gigantic | lol... that reminds me of when I was doing techsupport and people called trying to connect tih the "wireless cord" |
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| 02:44.52 | nsadmin | you press the any other key to start it |
| 02:45.07 | jberg | if i want to install debian and create a raid 1 with lvm on my two disks, do i create the raid or lvm first? |
| 02:45.36 | nsadmin | probably the raid |
| 02:45.45 | adub | ya i know |
| 02:45.50 | nsadmin | then you put lvm on the raid |
| 02:45.54 | adub | but i cant find anyone who has set it up |
| 02:45.59 | adub | its a wap gateway |
| 02:46.02 | jberg | okay thanks |
| 02:46.08 | Gigantic | how do you connect m'am? I have wireless at wireless... ok, are you at home? no I am in vacations in Florida |
| 02:46.10 | adub | im wondering if i can get free internet browsing on my mobile phone |
| 02:46.19 | adub | and potentially sms messaging |
| 02:46.19 | Gigantic | *wireless at home |
| 02:46.36 | Gigantic | adub: yup |
| 02:46.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? xpdf is using my sound device again |
| 02:46.53 | adub | gigantic |
| 02:46.57 | adub | have you set this up |
| 02:47.02 | dansushi | hey people, i bought 2 hard drives, and i'd like to mirror them with raid. any suggestions on sites i should look at to learn how to do this on linux? |
| 02:47.07 | Gigantic | nope but I know you can |
| 02:47.24 | adub | like i want to be anywhere in US and be able to access my WAP gateway |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | !swraid |
| 02:47.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig>, or for SATA disks ask me about <sata raid> |
| 02:48.09 | dansushi | why thanks you dpkg |
| 02:48.12 | dansushi | man, i love that bot |
| 02:48.18 | Gigantic | adub: no you can't do that |
| 02:48.36 | adub | why no |
| 02:48.42 | Gigantic | adub: because you'd need teh infrastructure |
| 02:48.52 | Gigantic | are you renting cellphone towers? |
| 02:48.54 | adub | o i c |
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| 02:49.03 | adub | so you have to have cell towers |
| 02:49.22 | Gigantic | but you can use bluetooth and stuff at home |
| 02:49.43 | jberg | hmm i can't have my root partition as lvm right? but 1 gb should be enough for / if i have put /usr and /home under different partitions in lvm? |
| 02:50.00 | Gigantic | adub: for the same reason you can't use your home wireless connection in Hawai |
| 02:50.48 | abrotman | jberg: i believe you can if you use lilo as your boot loader |
| 02:50.53 | nsadmin | unless he lives in russi^Whawaii |
| 02:51.13 | jberg | abrotman, ah ok |
| 02:51.22 | Gigantic | adub: But/.... |
| 02:51.28 | Gigantic | There is Woman =D |
| 02:51.49 | nsadmin | I had an lvm / on grub, it's easy to screw up tho |
| 02:51.58 | adub | i dont know |
| 02:52.03 | adub | why does kannel.org |
| 02:52.15 | adub | advertise that you can browse internet and do sms |
| 02:52.24 | adub | with a gsm modem |
| 02:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | could it matter if xpdf was started from iceweasel for xpdf blocking the sound device? |
| 02:53.28 | Gigantic | adub: I'm looking for a link... but it's a p2p free wlan service |
| 02:53.32 | nsadmin | xpdf and sound? weird |
| 02:54.33 | Gigantic | adub: http://www.apc.org/en/pubs/contribs/development/all/building-community-wireless-connectivity-developin |
| 02:54.57 | jberg | how about swap? i make raid partitions, then i put a swap partition on raid? but not on lvm |
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| 02:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser shows # /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: 6879 13491 13631 18647 20532 (same PIDs for /dev/snd/timer) - and all of them are xpdf processes (but there are more xpdfs running than that) |
| 02:55.22 | Gigantic | your system sound so fragile to me |
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| 02:56.20 | Gigantic | adub: http://www.communitywireless.org/ |
| 02:56.31 | nsadmin | well it depends on how you want to do it... you could cover the entire raid with a lvm pv |
| 02:56.57 | nsadmin | at that point, you'd have to do an lvm swap |
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| 02:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, all of the xpdf's that hog the sound device open a document in /tmp (which might mean that iceweasel started them) and all of them have a PPID of 1, which means the process is gone |
| 02:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that make any sense? |
| 02:57.33 | nsadmin | ppid == 1 means init owns them |
| 02:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 02:57.50 | jberg | nsadmin, nah. i think ill just create /home /storage and /usr as lvm and then 2gb for / or something and 2gb for swap maybe |
| 02:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as init surely didn't run xpdf for me, it means that I killed the iceweasel that started them |
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| 02:58.33 | nsadmin | can you do non-lvm non-raid partitions for swap and /? |
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| 02:59.15 | jberg | i was thinking raid-partitions for swap and // |
| 02:59.22 | jberg | err / |
| 02:59.29 | nsadmin | which probably sent SIGCHILD to the xpdf instances |
| 02:59.37 | Gigantic | when do you think Lenny will be officially stable... about |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 02:59.45 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released until while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 02:59.45 | nsadmin | wait, no, that means child died |
| 03:00.24 | Gigantic | al rite |
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| 03:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, no idea what it did with those when it died... but ... hm, not a bad idea - it sends them some signal and xpdf wants to play a... uh warning sound but fails and hogs the sound device |
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| 03:01.43 | nsadmin | hmm, that was quite awhile ago... and there have been hundreds or thousands of freeze exception requests |
| 03:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, hm, but that would mean that all xpdfs access the sound device at the same time, as they are all shown as using it.... which is quite weird also |
| 03:02.25 | Gigantic | ok, so, why exactly am I downloading 1G of pkgs in Fedora if I am about to install Debian right after? im so dumb |
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| 03:02.27 | nsadmin | why would xpdf need sound directly? |
| 03:02.55 | nsadmin | Gigantic: yeah, I was gonna say :) |
| 03:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | how the hell should I know |
| 03:03.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just see that I can't use the device and fuser tells me it's xpdf hogging it |
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| 03:04.00 | nsadmin | perhaps xpdf has a config option about which sound device to use |
| 03:04.04 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, you might want to make a small change in the wwlr... until while there ...perhaps it should just say while there |
| 03:04.13 | dff | anyone here have experience with jollyfastvnc (os x), vncserver and stunnel |
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| 03:04.40 | nsadmin | sets his phasor to stunnel |
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| 03:05.11 | artyg | Ello. |
| 03:05.14 | jberg | hmm, debian installs packages in /usr right? or should i have /var in lvm too |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | what? |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | not that important |
| 03:06.01 | stew | jberg: debian packages would install files in /var and /usr and /bin and /sbin and others |
| 03:06.09 | jberg | hm right |
| 03:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, I wouldn't know that xpdf does ANYTHING with sound if it wouldn't block my sound device from time to time |
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| 03:06.34 | artyg | Anyone here try putting Debian on any sort of Netbook as of yet? |
| 03:06.39 | HarbingerX | I need help.....I'm trying to find a article that says how to set up a wifi card if you don't have anything at all setup for the network.....but most things I've found are just things that show if you have things set up and are adding a wifi card into the mix |
| 03:06.43 | nsadmin | so you're concerned about how large your debian will get when you install packages for the purpose of possibly adding extra space for debian package installation |
| 03:06.44 | stew | artyg: what is a netbook? |
| 03:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no... there's no sound-related options in xpdfrc |
| 03:07.07 | artyg | A netbook is a class of laptops typically excluding CD/DVD drives and using smaller screens/less RAM/slower processors. |
| 03:07.14 | liable | stew: the like of eeepc and msi wind |
| 03:07.16 | jberg | nsadmin, yes |
| 03:07.22 | stew | artyg: then definately |
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| 03:07.47 | artyg | Because as of yet, I still haven't found any *nix system that will work reasonably with the damnable Atheros 242X chipset. |
| 03:07.55 | nsadmin | I'd consider lvming your whole thing |
| 03:08.11 | liable | artyg: the current madwifi works fine with the 2425 |
| 03:08.20 | jberg | nsadmin, yes me too. found a guide to do it too |
| 03:08.34 | liable | the current madwifi in debian.. (lenny/sid) |
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| 03:09.03 | artyg | Ah, I'll check it out. When I tried backported Kernel modules with 242x/5000 support, they would *sometimes* work, mostly not. |
| 03:09.34 | nsadmin | jberg: so either you need to be aware of your initrd image (to make sure it can mount /), or you need to rebuild your kernel to have the needed drivers built into the kernel itself |
| 03:09.47 | liable | ath5k should work too, if you use wireless-compat package for the latest mac80211 based drivers |
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| 03:10.45 | artyg | It seems that both my EeePC and Aspire One both use the same wireless chipset (2425), and support for the Cloudbook's Realtek chip is also fleeting. |
| 03:11.11 | jberg | nsadmin, im going to install debian testing with this now. that kernel will work right |
| 03:11.14 | liable | the rtl8187se has a source package thats sitting in the new queue |
| 03:11.36 | nsadmin | I believe so... what's on those drives now? |
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| 03:12.00 | jberg | nsadmin, nothing |
| 03:12.09 | liable | artyg: the eee is well supported. we have made a little repo for some eee specific packages. |
| 03:12.22 | nsadmin | well that's good at least... but come up with a backup plan |
| 03:12.23 | liable | even our own installer to make life easier |
| 03:12.44 | nsadmin | (important for backup plans: -know- how to restore) |
| 03:12.48 | artyg | Cool. I mainly only have the Eee because I'm going to do some hardware additions, but I'll see what I can do with it with Linux as well. |
| 03:12.57 | jberg | nsadmin, yes |
| 03:13.14 | liable | artyg: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 03:24.38 | mns | What is some good software for disk imaging that I can use on debian/testing ? |
| 03:25.37 | abrotman | imaging for what reason ? |
| 03:26.50 | mns | abrotman: for backups. |
| 03:27.31 | abrotman | the whole disk ? |
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| 03:27.43 | liable | partimage? |
| 03:28.02 | mns | or to be able to configure one system, image it, and put it onto a CD/DVD and then just restore the image on other systems in the lab. |
| 03:28.18 | mns | that way all systems are identical. |
| 03:28.27 | HarbingerX | question, what do I need to configure on the network if my router is using DHCP? when I try to connect it won't let me using the network manager and I can't figure out what I forgot to add to make it work |
| 03:28.30 | abrotman | like ghost ? |
| 03:28.32 | abrotman | !g4l |
| 03:28.33 | mns | liable: thanks. I'll check that out. |
| 03:28.37 | abrotman | grr |
| 03:28.53 | mns | yeah I guess like ghost. |
| 03:29.04 | mns | I've never used ghost myself either. |
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| 03:29.40 | abrotman | g4l.sf.net IIRC |
| 03:29.46 | mns | liable: partimage seems to be what I'm looking for, thanks. |
| 03:29.51 | mns | abrotman: I'll check it out. |
| 03:29.51 | liable | np |
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| 03:34.38 | pivot_ | i've got a mismatch > 0 even after issuing an repaid on my software-raid in /sys/block/md0/md/mismatch_cnt, is that normal.....? |
| 03:34.54 | pivot_ | i mean, does a repaired mdX reset that value to 0 again or not? :/ |
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| 03:46.43 | abrotman | apt-cache search cyrus sasl ? |
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| 04:02.05 | xerophyte1 | how can exclude the . directory with find ? |
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| 04:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends what your really want to do |
| 04:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody forces you to include it in the first time |
| 04:04.18 | xerophyte1 | CutMeOwnThroat: when i do find . -type d in the output its include . |
| 04:04.27 | xerophyte1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't want that . in there |
| 04:05.01 | abrotman | i thought there was a depth option |
| 04:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | "find *" |
| 04:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly "find .[0-9a-z] *" |
| 04:05.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 04:05.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly "find .[0-9a-z]* *" |
| 04:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody forces you to start in ., but if you do, then . will be a directory |
| 04:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if you don't, . will also be a directory :) |
| 04:07.01 | abrotman | xerophyte1: wait .. do you want to cut off the . or exclude PWD ? |
| 04:07.14 | xerophyte1 | abrotman: yes |
| 04:07.24 | abrotman | that's an either/or question .. not yes/no |
| 04:07.48 | xerophyte1 | actually find * works |
| 04:07.55 | xerophyte1 | CutMeOwnThroat: thx |
| 04:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 04:08.08 | xerophyte1 | abrotman: justing tying to exclude the . from the find output |
| 04:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | "works" |
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| 04:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you really haven't told us what you want to do |
| 04:08.37 | abrotman | xerophyte1: cut |
| 04:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | except the bit that its output shouldn't include . |
| 04:09.23 | stew | xerophyte1: find -mindepth 1 |
| 04:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | find $PWD will also not contain a directory "." |
| 04:09.44 | abrotman | find | cut -c 3- |
| 04:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek |
| 04:10.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | find | cut -me -own -throat |
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| 04:10.28 | xerophyte1 | stew: thx |
| 04:10.30 | abrotman | hot dog! |
| 04:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | watches the stampede roll away as people flee from his bad jokes |
| 04:10.44 | hogdog | abrotman it's not who you think it is |
| 04:10.50 | hogdog | abrotman you ask me every time :) |
| 04:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives abrotman a hogdog ... that'll be $7.50, then |
| 04:11.27 | abrotman | dude .. you need to try home depot hot dogs |
| 04:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also got a stew, but that's extra |
| 04:12.00 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, lol |
| 04:12.38 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, just don't try to stir the pot that that stew is in |
| 04:13.01 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: your "jokes" suck ass |
| 04:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you still here, I thought you were part of the stampede |
| 04:13.32 | abrotman | eh .. enouf is hardly one to talk :) |
| 04:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, and yes - intentionally, as you might have noticed |
| 04:14.09 | k-man | where can you define the default shell for new users? |
| 04:14.35 | abrotman | you mean by default ? |
| 04:14.37 | enouf | no abrotman - you just don't get them because most are targetted at you :-P |
| 04:14.39 | abrotman | or just per use |
| 04:14.46 | abrotman | enouf: then you're really bad at it |
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| 04:16.06 | enouf | is GOD at everything he does - just like an "abrotman" ... i am omniscient and never wrong |
| 04:16.25 | abrotman | except when you're wrong |
| 04:17.34 | enouf | you might want to familiarize yourself with the terms ; "point" , "point taken" , "i understand where you're coming from" |
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| 04:18.07 | enouf | unless .. you have a 10" dildo shoved up your ass |
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| 04:18.30 | abrotman | enouf: you're really useless |
| 04:18.46 | enouf | no - your mother is useless |
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| 04:19.31 | enouf | you do not fuck with me -- you dumbass |
| 04:19.42 | abrotman | or? |
| 04:20.02 | stew | can you guys please take this to another channel |
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| 04:20.44 | CrippsFX | like #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:20.52 | abrotman | i'm already there |
| 04:21.01 | CrippsFX | good. |
| 04:21.06 | onetinsoldier | k-man, i believe it might be in the /etc/adduser.conf script ..but i am probably incorrect |
| 04:21.23 | abrotman | and he won't go there |
| 04:21.35 | enouf | bullshit |
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| 04:21.46 | enouf | as usual |
| 04:22.04 | abrotman | and yet .. you're not there |
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| 04:22.12 | enouf | oh .. but i am |
| 04:22.13 | somiaj | I recentally upgraded a lot of hardware, for the most part everything works, I just have one thing I want to change. The new ethernet card detected as eth1 (as I'm sure it is saving eth0 for the old network card which isn't there anymore). I'm trying to figure out how to require that the card be labeled as eth0 [I have a piece of softwear that requires it for some silly reason] |
| 04:22.25 | enouf | you seem to not know your networks |
| 04:22.29 | enouf | you weenie |
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| 04:22.41 | onetinsoldier | i don't know about you guys.. but everywhere i go, there i am |
| 04:22.44 | abrotman | k-man: the /etc/adduser.conf is the place to do it permanently .. or pass a --shell to adduser |
| 04:23.23 | abrotman | gives up .. |
| 04:24.20 | stoned | hm |
| 04:24.23 | stoned | onetinsoldier, quite so |
| 04:24.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, there's a package for renaming ethernet devices ... err |
| 04:24.28 | Tramp | somiaj: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules <--- I think you can either edit or just delete it |
| 04:24.33 | onetinsoldier | stoned, :-) |
| 04:24.34 | stoned | if you have not gotten to where you're going, you're not there yet. |
| 04:24.47 | stoned | And if you've gotten to where you're going, you're there. |
| 04:24.51 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:25.16 | enouf | somiaj: the factoid /msg dpkg z25 explains what Tramp is mentioning |
| 04:25.22 | nsadmin | what if you're trying to find yourself? |
| 04:25.35 | somiaj | Tramp: ahh thanks, and enouf as well |
| 04:25.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, ah, "ifrename" |
| 04:25.43 | Tramp | enouf: ah - tried z20 8) |
| 04:25.49 | stoned | !z20 |
| 04:25.51 | enouf | heh |
| 04:25.55 | stoned | hm |
| 04:26.00 | stoned | nothing |
| 04:26.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well done |
| 04:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, it worked, you were just too stoned to realize the result |
| 04:26.26 | stoned | I was? |
| 04:26.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | definitely :-p |
| 04:27.06 | stoned | weenie |
| 04:27.07 | stoned | hehehe |
| 04:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | q.e.d. |
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| 04:28.24 | somiaj | thanks all, that worked well. just what i needed. |
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| 04:34.33 | jberg | when i install debian right at the start after it has booted the kernel and detected drives and i've chosen keymap the screen becomes blue, should it be like that for a long time? |
| 04:35.07 | liable | nope |
| 04:35.49 | jberg | hm, right now it says my cd-rom couldn't be mounted.. |
| 04:36.03 | jberg | but.. it managed to boot the kernel and stuff.. |
| 04:36.59 | mhymn_ | it seems debian got the blue screen of death at last |
| 04:37.10 | jberg | anyone experienced this? |
| 04:37.43 | liable | its reasonably common unfortunately |
| 04:38.46 | jberg | but what does it mean? i have ide cd-rom and sata disks, do i have to change boot parameters? |
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| 04:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhymn_, yes, too many people who switched from windows requested it and filed bug reports.... so they finally gave in |
| 04:39.18 | mhymn_ | hehe |
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| 04:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can use the kernel option nobluescreen=true on bootup, though |
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| 04:40.25 | mhymn_ | or windowsemode=off |
| 04:40.38 | liable | jberg: only workaround i have seen work for one person, was to disable acpi. i dont even understand why that worked though |
| 04:40.41 | enouf | jberg: without getting specific, i want to offer two boot options; a) "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" and b) "install libata.atapi_enabled=1" |
| 04:40.50 | liable | jberg: try that as a boot option to the installer |
| 04:41.14 | jberg | i found out suddenly my bios didn't find my sata drives when i installed the cd-rom |
| 04:41.21 | jberg | so i have to fix that i guess |
| 04:42.36 | enouf | liable: no, only in really extreme cases does disabling acpi help - it's a SATA AHCI issuue most times |
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| 04:43.34 | enouf | liable: concerning no cdrom or HDD found with using the installer - that is |
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| 04:45.47 | karlpinc | Is there a "debian way" to load iptables at boot? |
| 04:46.07 | enouf | rc.local ? |
| 04:46.28 | Chaosmagi | Are you tired of being stuck in a rut. Life realy not going anywhere. Well all u need to do is !!!!!!!!!!!!!TAKE BACK REALITY!!!!!!!!!!! www.ellis69.webs.com |
| 04:46.37 | enouf | ... |
| 04:46.48 | karlpinc | enouf : Then you gotta turn on forwarding there manually afterword. Not a bad choice, but I'm wondering if there's something "official". |
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| 04:47.48 | enouf | no idea |
| 04:47.56 | karlpinc | Nothing in the (etch) /usr/share/doc/iptables/ hierarchy. |
| 04:48.07 | karlpinc | enouf : rc.local it is. |
| 04:48.53 | enouf | poke around debian-administration.org and wiki.debian.org |
| 04:49.52 | karlpinc | enouf : I don't get why it's not part of /etc/init.d/network, there could be a config file in /etc/default/network to turn it off if there's some backwards compatibility issue. |
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| 05:00.23 | k-man | do you have to format a newly created swap partition before using it? |
| 05:01.53 | Tramp | k-man: man mkswap |
| 05:02.00 | k-man | thanks tramp |
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| 05:12.13 | onetinsoldier | what do i need to do to get a larger width display from the output of the dpkg -l command on a term? i recall that you need to export the COLUMN enviroment variable, but i can't seem to remember what else you need to do |
| 05:12.54 | onetinsoldier | COLUMNS* |
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| 05:17.25 | karlpinc | What passes /etc/sysctl.conf to sysctl? I don't see it (although I do see a few programs in /etc/init.d that grep /etc/sysctl.conf for config info). |
| 05:18.48 | karlpinc | I'm running etch, and what I really want to know is what turns on ip forwarding? (Since /etc/network/options is depreciated.) |
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| 05:20.46 | mhymn_ | !ip forwarding |
| 05:20.46 | dpkg | To enable IP forwarding (aka packet forwarding), edit /etc/sysctl.conf, uncomment the relevant packet forwarding lines for IPv4/IPv6, save/quit and execute `sysctl -p'. In sarge, edit /etc/network/options and change the value for ip_forward to "yes". |
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| 05:21.32 | karlpinc | mhymn_ : That's nice. But I'm asking where that happens in the boot scripts. I've grepped and can't find it. |
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| 05:30.34 | roe_ | anyone know of a gnome panel of some sort that will disable my monitor from going to sleep? |
| 05:31.34 | jberg | what does debian use for encryption if i choose encrypted lvm in the installer? |
| 05:32.10 | karlpinc | enouf : I can't find anything at debain-admin or on the wiki, except for recommendations that /etc/network/if-up.d be used in conjunction with /etc/network/interfaces. This is unworkable when you're packet forwarding; you don't want a separate firewall config for each interface. I think it's back to rc.local. The only bad part is that, well, it's not a way that anybody would know to look for if they walked up and had to administer the box. |
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| 05:32.34 | karlpinc | jberg : Does it say in the installation manual? |
| 05:33.14 | deadcat | i use the debian netinstall via pxe install, but it takes a while for the boot screen to show and it fails after the default. |
| 05:33.37 | karlpinc | deadcat : The default being after you press enter? |
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| 05:34.03 | jair | guys, I have an LCD tv that I want to use as monitor on my debian desktop. |
| 05:34.07 | deadcat | karlpinc: no. after i press f12 to start the pxe install. it dhcp, then the screen, and it fails. |
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| 05:34.30 | jair | the TV say that support Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080 native resolution 1080p |
| 05:35.18 | karlpinc | deadcat : so, F12 is telling the bios to pxeboot. Then the boot screen shows and then it just sits there forever? |
| 05:35.19 | jair | if I am using the kernel 2.6.18-6-k7 am I too behind? |
| 05:35.35 | jair | I am using debian etch r5 stable |
| 05:35.38 | karlpinc | jair : You have a vga input on the tv or what? |
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| 05:36.11 | deadcat | karlpinc: ya. let me start it up and get the output... the machine is NOISY!!! )= |
| 05:36.11 | jair | karlpinc: yes a vga input |
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| 05:36.55 | jair | karlpinc: but right now I have it configure with xorg on 1024x760 |
| 05:37.08 | karlpinc | jair : Plug it in. Boot to single user mode, or ctrl-alt-f1 to get a console. Become root. Then run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:37.14 | jair | karlpinc: but I want to be able of use a better resolution |
| 05:37.26 | jair | karlpinc: ok |
| 05:37.49 | karlpinc | jair : You may need lots of spec info on the TV, depending on autodetection success etc. |
| 05:37.54 | jair | karlpinc: should I go ahead with the kernel O have currently or should I upgrade to kernel "etchandhalf"? |
| 05:38.32 | jair | karlpinc: I have all the manuals that came with the TV and also there is a lot of information online |
| 05:39.32 | karlpinc | jair : If you run etchnhalf then if there's been driver updates to your video card you can take advantage of them. Otherwise I don't suppose it matters. And it may not matter anyhow because I don't know how much video driving is really done by the kernel. There's a lot of it going on in the xserver itself. |
| 05:40.05 | jair | ok |
| 05:40.24 | jair | I will make sure I run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade then to have the latest xorg code |
| 05:40.30 | jair | I mean latest stable |
| 05:41.31 | karlpinc | jair : If you're using a 3rd party driver, something proprietary, then upgrading to etchnhalf might cause problems. (That's why I stay away from binary-only drivers.) But otherwise upgrading to etchnhalf could only help. Keep the old kernel too just in case you need to reboot into it. |
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| 05:42.33 | karlpinc | jair : or just 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and see if you like the result. |
| 05:42.44 | jair | karlpinc: also to go to single user mode all I need to do is run the command init 1? |
| 05:42.49 | jair | or init 2? |
| 05:42.54 | jair | can't remember |
| 05:43.02 | jair | I have to check inittab |
| 05:43.03 | karlpinc | jair : Don't forget that it makes a backup of the X config. Make sure you know where that is so you can put it back if necessary. |
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| 05:43.13 | jair | karlpinc: ok |
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| 05:43.56 | karlpinc | jair : telinit 1. You don't really need single user mode. An alternate console will do. But your running X session will _not_ be happy. |
| 05:44.08 | subsume | Is there some way I can tell what my mysql process is doing? I executed a repair table on a 7MB table and its taken 30 minutes. |
| 05:44.30 | karlpinc | sybsume: vmstat 5 maybe? |
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| 05:44.36 | flourish | Help, I could found cyrus-sasl2 in debian, |
| 05:44.41 | flourish | could not |
| 05:45.11 | jair | karlpinc: ok I will do it the right way don't worry |
| 05:45.33 | jair | karlpinc: thank you very much for the help I will let you know how it goes :) |
| 05:46.02 | jberg | uhm, if i create lvm with raid, should i create a seperate raid for swap, or do that with lvm? |
| 05:46.11 | subsume | karlpinc: anything look suspicious here? http://dpaste.com/95608/ |
| 05:46.40 | mhymn_ | flourish: no such package |
| 05:46.53 | karlpinc | subsume : You want to know it's not thrashing swap, so look at the swapouts. And look at the disk io and cpu % to see what's bottlenecked. |
| 05:47.14 | flourish | mhymn_: so what can i do |
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| 05:47.16 | deadcat | karlpinc: TFTP prefix: trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/..... it takes SOO long to get to default. it takes like 1 sec to do so at work. |
| 05:47.19 | karlpinc | jberg : I generally lvm over raid. |
| 05:47.38 | subsume | karlpinc: I am sorry. I'm not very familiar with vmstat. I will try a more general channel |
| 05:48.45 | mhymn_ | flourish: libsasl2-2 ? |
| 05:48.53 | karlpinc | deadcat : So, your dhcp server passes pxelinux.cfg as a dhcp option. Sounds like maybe the tftp server has problems. Have you looked at it's log, checked that the file is there, etc? (Just what do you mean 'get to default'? |
| 05:48.58 | karlpinc | subsume : You can ask here. |
| 05:49.07 | flourish | mhymn_: not this |
| 05:49.21 | deadcat | karlpinc: let me check if theres a log or not |
| 05:49.37 | karlpinc | subsume : But people will tell you to read the vmstat man page for how to read it. You're kinda last on my list to look at the paste at the moment. |
| 05:49.53 | flourish | mhymn_: it said that in sasl2 dir has a file: smtpd.conf |
| 05:50.04 | subsume | Righto. I will check out man vmstat. If you get to it, karlpinc, and you see an obvious problem. Plz lemme know. |
| 05:50.09 | deadcat | karlpinc: does tftpd-hpa have log files? |
| 05:50.35 | karlpinc | deadcat : I've gotten it to log. I forget the details. |
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| 05:50.44 | deadcat | karlpinc: oh |
| 05:50.54 | pepeMaloso | hello |
| 05:51.24 | mhymn_ | flourish: no idea |
| 05:51.34 | pepeMaloso | i have an interesting networking problem |
| 05:51.35 | flourish | mhymn_: thanks |
| 05:51.50 | karlpinc | subsume : It says your system is cpu bound. Add more cpu or, possibly, more ram. |
| 05:51.50 | deadcat | karlpinc: should i run as daemon or via inet? |
| 05:52.07 | pepeMaloso | i have a debian machine ( 6 ram gigs, 2 processors) running as gw os a network with 10000 clients |
| 05:52.24 | subsume | karlpinc: well I'm fairly sure its because of this errant mysql process. |
| 05:52.30 | karlpinc | deadcat : I run it as daemon and iirc control it via /etc/default/tftp* because I don't want it on all the time. |
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| 05:52.37 | pepeMaloso | i'm using this machine as contentfilter(dansguardian) |
| 05:52.50 | karlpinc | subsume : Yes. top will say. databases can be pigs. |
| 05:52.58 | pepeMaloso | my problem are network collisions, someone have a clue about this? |
| 05:53.36 | deadcat | karlpinc: good point |
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| 05:54.18 | pepeMaloso | is out there a linux netrking expert??? |
| 05:54.27 | doubleukayMobile | hi guys, any recommendation for delta-based block-level backups in debian/linux? |
| 05:54.35 | doubleukayMobile | something like a "dd" but stores differences |
| 05:54.41 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : That usually means lots of traffic on the network. |
| 05:55.28 | pepeMaloso | yes, but how could i solve this, do you know if exist a kernel parameter for some kind of buffer on the intefaces or something like |
| 05:56.17 | karlpinc | doubleukayMobile : Isn't that something that rsync can do? I thought it could make deltas. ? |
| 05:56.35 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : Why is it a problem? |
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| 05:57.01 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: slowdown the network a lot |
| 05:57.36 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : What is it doing that it's supposed to be doing that's flooding the network? |
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| 05:58.17 | deadcat | karlpinc: for the /var/lib/tftpboot/ all i did was download the netinstall from debian and unzip it there. |
| 05:58.34 | doubleukayMobile | karlpinc: my use case is to backup large VM images. i would like to store only changes in the image from one day to another. rsync afaik transfers changes, but doesn't provide a way to store the changes.. |
| 06:00.11 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: the machine is filtering we traffic with dansgurdian and squid ( whithout disk cache, only ram), works well with several towsands (3000?) but after this number of clients really slowdown everything, the machine has charnes bellow 0.5, and has about 5 GB of free RAM when this happend |
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| 06:01.47 | karlpinc | doubleukayMobile : I think your right. I've got it now. rdiff-backup |
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| 06:03.01 | doubleukayMobile | karlpinc: aha! this looks like exactly what i need.. thanks :D |
| 06:03.17 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : charnes? |
| 06:03.29 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc |
| 06:03.37 | pepeMaloso | .karpinc:sorry, charges |
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| 06:03.59 | florkle | hello |
| 06:04.01 | pepeMaloso | the processor is about 5-10% of usage |
| 06:04.05 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : I don't understand "charges below 0.5". |
| 06:04.08 | doubleukayMobile | pepeMaloso: are you using iptables with --state ? |
| 06:04.37 | florkle | I have a quad xeon debian system with 2gb memory, but it only sees 512mb |
| 06:04.48 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: i mean, the procesor is bellow 10% of usage. |
| 06:04.54 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso :Ok. |
| 06:05.44 | doubleukayMobile | pepeMaloso: can you check in dmesg whether you've exceeded the ip_conntrack limits |
| 06:05.48 | pepeMaloso | doubleukayMobile: no, i have only two filtering rules , both on nat, one for port redirection, and the other one for forward everyhing else |
| 06:06.08 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : It seems to me you've exceeded your network capacity. I dunno if there's "queueing" to manage "quality of service". I'd bet there is, but I'm just not familiar. |
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| 06:07.06 | doubleukayMobile | pepeMaloso: i'm not sure where your problems are, but since your load is low, i think they may be due to tcp or your dansguardian |
| 06:07.28 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: thanks!, i'm think is something with the netwok interface or the driver, but i 'm not shure about this. |
| 06:07.47 | doubleukayMobile | pepeMaloso: perhaps you could increase dansguardian processes, increase inbound listening IPs, increase outbound connection IPs, tweak the tcp timeouts.. |
| 06:07.49 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : How do you know your network is not simply filled? |
| 06:08.17 | doubleukayMobile | (and then there's the Obvious Problem of network saturation, like karlpinc points out :) ) |
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| 06:08.30 | jberg | with lvm, is it okay to have two volume groups on a big partition? like local and site? and then put logical volumes on them, or can you just have one volume group for each partition? |
| 06:08.34 | pepeMaloso | doubleukayMobile: i have already play with all the parameters of dansguardian |
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| 06:08.37 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : It's possible you're generating too many interrupts. vmstat has a context switch column. If so, a better nick might help. |
| 06:09.54 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: where can i find nick? |
| 06:10.13 | karlpinc | jberg : Your vocabulary is off. You can have two volume groups use one physical volume which is 1 underlying partition (or entire unpartitioned drive, mdadm or otherwise.) |
| 06:10.32 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : Sorry. nic Network Interface Card. |
| 06:11.08 | Piper69 | FATAL: Error inserting cx18 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-bpo.1-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx18/cx18.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 06:11.18 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: i have GB nic |
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| 06:11.26 | karlpinc | jberg: Just remember that if a pv goes, the entire vg goes with it. |
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| 06:12.00 | jberg | karlpinc, yes ok. in this case i want two volume groups on one physical volume (which is a big raid 1 partition). but can i still add or remove hard disks to and from the raid without lvm fucking up? |
| 06:12.01 | Piper69 | what does this mean please, i got it when i did modprobe cx18 |
| 06:12.14 | pepeMaloso | doubleukayMobile: i tried with bridge mode, and as gw mode. I have the same result in both modes, i think is a problem with the nic, but i dont know is is something related wo the nick driver. |
| 06:12.24 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : Well, if you have it plugged into a T1 via a csu/dsu then it'll max out at 1.544Kbps. |
| 06:12.50 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : What version of debian? |
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| 06:13.44 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : Usually, if there's no other limit then you've problems with total number of packets. |
| 06:13.48 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: i'm using etch ( stable in my source.list), but i build dansguardian manually for some improvments |
| 06:13.50 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : Are you NATting? |
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| 06:14.06 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : Wouldn't hurt to try the etchnhalf kernel. |
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| 06:14.31 | adama_ | is there a thing to install so I can right-click an image file and choose "set as desktop"? |
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| 06:14.50 | karlpinc | adama_ : Depends on your desktop software. |
| 06:14.54 | adama_ | gnome |
| 06:14.54 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: rightnow im natting, where can i find informacion about etchhalt kernel? |
| 06:15.04 | deadcat | f it, i dont know how to setup this damn pxe install on a server |
| 06:15.05 | jberg | hmm, http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/linux/ldp/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/multpartitions.html this says i have to create more partitions on the disk if i want more VGs. so i guess i can't have two VG's on one raid partition |
| 06:15.08 | adama_ | nautilus |
| 06:15.14 | karlpinc | !etchnhalf |
| 06:15.15 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 06:15.27 | pepeMaloso | karlping, i have a E3 directly connected wo a GB interface |
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| 06:15.38 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : aptitude search etchnhalf. It's now in stable. |
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| 06:16.26 | pepeMaloso | karlpinc: great i will trie with etchhalf right now, i hope this can solve the issue. |
| 06:16.41 | pepeMaloso | thanks!! i will return to tell you about this. |
| 06:16.48 | doubleukayMobile | jberg: your PV can increase in size without screwing up the VG. |
| 06:16.49 | karlpinc | jberg :You are right and I am tired. A pv can be allocated to only one vg. |
| 06:16.59 | doubleukayMobile | if that was your concern. |
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| 06:17.23 | jberg | karlpinc, hehe yeah me too. anyways, i guess it's easier if i just have one vg anyway |
| 06:17.26 | Piper69 | Hi, i am currently running 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 how can i downgrade |
| 06:17.36 | pepeMaloso | thansks karlpinc, doubleukayMobile |
| 06:18.01 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : I've another thought. |
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| 06:18.12 | karlpinc | pepeMaloso : Want to hear it? |
| 06:18.49 | deadcat | karlpinc: basically setup a pxe install is the tftpd-hpa and dhcp3-server right? should i post the config/tree somewhere? |
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| 06:19.20 | doubleukayMobile | jberg: just to let you know, you can safely remove PVs from a VG. there's a command to move affected LV blocks to other PVs. |
| 06:19.30 | karlpinc | deadcat : Have you tried manually tftping the files so you know the server works? |
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| 06:20.32 | jberg | doubleukayMobile, okay cool |
| 06:20.37 | deadcat | karlpinc: how do i do that? |
| 06:20.46 | deadcat | karlpinc: http://pastebin.ca/1274669 |
| 06:20.49 | deadcat | karlpinc: via ftp? |
| 06:20.56 | karlpinc | deadcat :tftp to localhost if necessary |
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| 06:22.08 | deadcat | karlpinc: dont know how to manually access tftp |
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| 06:22.25 | karlpinc | deadcat : man tftp |
| 06:22.29 | deadcat | k |
| 06:22.41 | zdark | somebody can me help with others softwares for honeypot? except honeyd? |
| 06:23.03 | jberg | but this install is overwriting two previous raid partitions. in the partition menu i've deleted all the partitions from /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and created new ones and selected "use as raid partition" on them. then i chose "configure software raid" and deleted the old raid partitions and created new ones which used my newly created raid partitions /dev/sd{a,b}{1,2}. but the partition manager still shows two raid devices that has the size of the ol |
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| 06:23.43 | karlpinc | zdark : aptitude search hony |
| 06:23.50 | karlpinc | zdark : honey |
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| 06:24.25 | karlpinc | jberg : I always wind up having to poke the installer with a stick and bumble around in that part. |
| 06:24.33 | deadcat | karlpinc: wow.. its not helping me.. it wont even tell if i am connected or not |
| 06:24.58 | jberg | the partition manager shows RAID devices and SCSI devices.. the scsi devices i've deleted and created new ones, but the raid devices stay the same (the size is the same as before, not new updated) |
| 06:25.13 | doubleukayMobile | software or hw raid? |
| 06:25.15 | zdark | karlpinc thanks |
| 06:25.18 | jberg | software |
| 06:25.21 | karlpinc | deadcat : You tried "get whatever-file"? |
| 06:25.32 | doubleukayMobile | sorry, i gtg now. hope you resolve your problem! |
| 06:25.46 | deadcat | karlpinc: let me see if i need to add next-server on dhcpd.conf |
| 06:25.48 | jberg | yes me too |
| 06:25.51 | deadcat | karlpinc: i dont have that (= |
| 06:26.12 | karlpinc | deadcat : You have to talk to tftp, just like if you'd typed ftp instead, to tell it what to do. |
| 06:26.17 | adama_ | Using lenny/gnome/nautilus, is there a thing to install so I can right-click an image file and choose "set as desktop"? |
| 06:26.31 | karlpinc | deadcat : I do recall something about "next server".... But my mind is muzzy. |
| 06:26.55 | deadcat | karlpinc: following the howto from debian-administration.org |
| 06:27.12 | jberg | hm, can i do a "finish partitioning and write changes to disk" to maybe get the partition manager to update itself and go back to partitioning again? |
| 06:27.32 | karlpinc | deadcat : The definitive guide is the installation manual at debian.org. |
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| 06:28.36 | karlpinc | deadcat : But you may as well check that your tftp server is working by tftping a file. If it does not work, check the logs. |
| 06:29.40 | deadcat | karlpinc: i tried that howto from debian.org, didnt work for me. |
| 06:30.02 | liable | there is a install doc that covers it, but i saw a mail on a list that worked for me |
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| 06:30.23 | deadcat | karlpinc: sometimes i go into the blonde mode where nothing is kicking in my head. (= |
| 06:30.44 | liable | deadcat: try http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-eeepc-devel/2008-August/000832.html |
| 06:30.49 | deadcat | karlpinc: "PXE setup for blondes" |
| 06:30.53 | karlpinc | deadcat : If the tftp server is not logging, and it's supposed to, then it's not working. |
| 06:33.09 | deadcat | liable: karlpinc BOOM!!!!! next-server rocked (= |
| 06:33.16 | deadcat | now i feel like a smart blonde |
| 06:33.27 | liable | heh |
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| 06:33.39 | karlpinc | deadcat : OTOH, if you're getting something debian, then it is working. And the next stage is not working that means that there's a dhcp problem. Probably "next server" option. |
| 06:33.56 | jberg | okay i think i will try another terminal and just wipe the partitions clean with fdisk. i see that on the harddisks i have /dev/md/0,1,2 and this is wrong because im supposed to have just 0 and 1 now. how can i use fdisk to delete everything and then use partition manager to set up the way i want? |
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| 06:35.21 | karlpinc | jberg: If you want to start over with the drives. Nuke the partion tables with something like "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1024" Be sure you know what you're doing. |
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| 06:36.35 | jberg | karlpinc, okay. but do i have to give it the exact size or can i do bs=1024 count=1 to just take the partition table or something? |
| 06:36.51 | crashz | anyone using wyrd? |
| 06:37.12 | karlpinc | jberg : 1 is too small, That will just remove the MBR. You need something larger and I forget the details. 1024 is plenty. |
| 06:37.15 | crashz | how do i use multiple .remindier files? |
| 06:37.22 | MasterOfDisaster | hi, I'm running into problems with debian etch on s390(x) (hercules) - the installer is unable to partition/~format the dasds. Any idea on how I have to adapt my hercules config? |
| 06:37.35 | jberg | karlpinc, okay |
| 06:38.06 | karlpinc | jberg : Or yeah. I suppose count 1 with a bigger bs. But I always use the native block size. Why not? It might possibly break otherwise. |
| 06:39.20 | jberg | karlpinc, well it cleared the scsi devices but those raid devices are still there with the same size |
| 06:39.23 | karlpinc | MasterOfDisaster : I've been asked that before and was unable to help. There's nothing in the installation manual at debian.org? |
| 06:39.43 | jberg | karlpinc, should i just try bigger size? |
| 06:39.53 | karlpinc | jberg : You probably need to tell the kernel they're gone. I'm sure a reboot would work. |
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| 06:40.21 | jberg | hmm i'm detecting the disks again, maybe that will work |
| 06:41.09 | jberg | nope :) |
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| 06:41.41 | karlpinc | MasterOfDisaster : You might be helped by posting error messages, etc. Sometimes clues can be obtaine via alternate consoles. Alt-F1 through Alt-F4. But I dunno how this works on the herc install. |
| 06:42.00 | karlpinc | !tell MasterOfDisaster -about paste |
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| 06:42.34 | MasterOfDisaster | karlpinc: I will, I have to set up hercules on my work machine first :) |
| 06:45.17 | deadcat | is it hard to setup pxe install more than debian? like other distros as well. |
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| 06:47.30 | karlpinc | deadcat : They have to have a pxeboot boot loader that will load their install image. I've done OpenBSD and it's worked fine. |
| 06:47.56 | deadcat | karlpinc: ah just get them from their website? |
| 06:49.01 | karlpinc | deadcat : It's up to them. Maybe you could roll-your-own with syslinux, or syslinux and friends. But unless you're into that sort of thing you rely on the distro to do the work. |
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| 06:52.47 | norbert- | hi all, I have a question about fonts |
| 06:53.09 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 06:53.14 | norbert- | I noticed that my Debian system currently has the "Century Schoolbook L" font available in OpenOffice.org |
| 06:53.19 | Lagbolt | oops sorry wrong window :) |
| 06:53.45 | norbert- | this is a commercial font that is available for 39.44 USD via http://www.urwpp.de/cgi-bin1/dalcgi/source/schnellsuche.htd?searchchar=Century+Schoolbook+L |
| 06:54.14 | norbert- | I probably have this font because I installed a non-free package |
| 06:54.48 | norbert- | but I think it most be available via apt, since I don't remember downloading any fonts or font packs separately |
| 06:55.25 | karlpinc | norbert- : Either "dpkg -S" or install the vrms package and run vrms. |
| 06:55.27 | norbert- | and now I'm wondering how that's possible, that apt can provide this at all |
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| 06:56.16 | karlpinc | norbert- : Then read the package description and /usr/share/doc/packagename/README*. |
| 06:56.30 | norbert- | vrms tells me I have 5 non-free packages, namely gcc-4.1-doc, gcc-doc-base, opera, skype and unrar |
| 06:57.11 | norbert- | "msttcorefonts is already the newest version." |
| 06:57.14 | norbert- | maybe it's that one? |
| 06:57.24 | karlpinc | norbert- : Debian has non-free stuff, and other stuff in the non-free and contrib secitons of the repository. apt-cache policy packagename tells about the source. |
| 06:58.20 | norbert- | I'm aware that Debian has non-free packages and that apt can provide me additional information, but it'll be hard to find the exact package that hosts this font |
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| 06:58.38 | norbert- | and even if it did, my question is how apt can provide it, given that it's a commercial font |
| 06:59.12 | jberg | ah, from a terminal i had to do mdadm --stop /dev/md{0,1,2} and then mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda1 and for /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1 etc, and now the raid devices are gone |
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| 07:00.01 | jberg | for future reference.. |
| 07:00.14 | karlpinc | norbert- : That's what dpkg -S does. |
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| 07:02.26 | norbert- | karlpinc: thanks; it appears openoffice.org-common includes the font |
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| 07:02.48 | superjoe30 | so I have the manual entry for kde4-config, but find / -name "kde4-config" returns nothing. wtf? |
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| 07:04.09 | norbert- | but the copyright file doesn't contain the words "font" in any case, nor the word "Century" |
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| 07:06.07 | norbert- | I'll ask about it in the openoffice IRC channel |
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| 07:08.25 | stew | norbert-: which file in particular are you asking about? |
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| 07:09.09 | norbert- | stew: I hope to answer your question by pasting what I just said in #openoffice.org: |
| 07:09.11 | norbert- | <norbert-> hi all, I noticed my Debian system includes the copyrighted "Century Schoolbook L" font from URW++, when looking for the source with dpkg -S, it turns out that openoffice.org-common includes it |
| 07:09.11 | norbert- | <norbert-> the font is for sale via (for example) http://www.urwpp.de/cgi-bin1/dalcgi/source/schnellsuche.htd?searchchar=Century+Schoolbook+L |
| 07:09.27 | stew | norbert-: which file are you talking about? |
| 07:09.33 | norbert- | that's the same question |
| 07:09.39 | norbert- | I don't understand what you mean |
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| 07:10.17 | stew | norbert-: you are seeming to say that debian is distributing things that it doesn't have the right to distribute. which file in particular do you think that debian doesn't have the right to distribute? |
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| 07:10.45 | norbert- | the file that provides my Debian system - in particular OpenOffice.org - with the "Century Schoolbook L" font |
| 07:10.56 | stew | norbert-: which one is that? |
| 07:11.07 | norbert- | as far as I could figure out, the package would be openoffice.org-common, as I said before |
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| 07:11.39 | stew | norbert-: that package has the AFMs, and the license for those files is in /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org-common/copyright |
| 07:11.39 | FredZ_ | how can I find out from the command line how much room is left on a volume? |
| 07:11.44 | stew | FredZ_: df |
| 07:11.46 | norbert- | maybe URW++, the copyright owner, gave their font away for free, but it seems they still sell it for 39.44 USD on their website http://www.urwpp.de/cgi-bin1/dalcgi/source/schnellsuche.htd?searchchar=Century+Schoolbook+L |
| 07:12.10 | FredZ_ | wow, that was easy, thanks |
| 07:12.13 | norbert- | FredZ_: and use "df -h" to get an easier to read overview |
| 07:13.03 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.03 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.03 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:13.30 | norbert- | yeah, I know about Bitstream Vera http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ |
| 07:13.35 | norbert- | but those are different fonts |
| 07:13.44 | buu | Oh. |
| 07:14.42 | norbert- | also, I'm aware that - apparently - URW gave away fonts for usage in 'open source' software, but I cannot find any information on which fonts or what the copy/left/ terms are |
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| 07:15.35 | norbert- | plus, this font really seems to be sold on pretty much all the big font websites, and it definitely doesn't appear to be free to use |
| 07:16.38 | norbert- | to give another example: http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/downloads/urw/century_schoolbook_l/ |
| 07:16.39 | karlpinc | norbert- : The name of the _file_ is what you gave to dpkg -S in order to find the name of the _package_. |
| 07:17.06 | norbert- | I don't understand what you mean |
| 07:17.24 | karlpinc | norbert- : stew wanted the name of the file you have a question about. |
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| 07:18.03 | norbert- | if anyone can tell me how I can find the exact file (ttf or whatever), please let me know and I'll work on finding it out and providing you with this information |
| 07:18.31 | karlpinc | norbert- : If you don't know the name of the file, how do you know the problem is in OpenOffice? |
| 07:18.57 | simonrvn | 'cause he's a cluebie |
| 07:19.05 | norbert- | and there it is again |
| 07:19.08 | norbert- | I'm a newbie |
| 07:19.11 | norbert- | thanks simonrvn |
| 07:19.11 | buu | karlpinc: I think the word you're looking for is 'educated guess' |
| 07:19.16 | buu | Well, phrase. |
| 07:19.28 | norbert- | just a matter of time before someone said that |
| 07:19.37 | karlpinc | The locate command is one way to find files if you know a portion of the name of the file. |
| 07:20.28 | buu | norbert-: You could try some variant on dpkg -L $PACKAGE_NAME to list the files contained by a package you're looking at. |
| 07:20.35 | buu | norbert-: See also dpkg -l; to list installed packages. |
| 07:20.50 | buu | Which is slightly clumsy. |
| 07:21.02 | simonrvn | norbert-: better to have an educated guess than guess. better to know, than to have an educated guess. if you don't know, ask. nothing wrong wih asking questions, just gotta think about what you want, then asking a question that frames it properly. |
| 07:21.26 | norbert- | I did do all those things |
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| 07:21.43 | buu | simonrvn: Yes, but there's no need for passive aggression merely because you don't like the question. |
| 07:21.46 | buu | Or don't understand it. |
| 07:21.54 | amo | hi to all, how to regenerate Release.gpg for local repository? |
| 07:22.17 | norbert- | I have /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/C/CenturySchL-Roma.pfb and /usr/lib/openoffice/share/psprint/fontmetric/NewCenturySchlbk-Roman.afm |
| 07:22.40 | norbert- | I'm not sure those are the files you're looking for, but they both include the name of the font in some way |
| 07:22.59 | buu | norbert-: I believe you can feed that to dpkg -S to obtain the name of the package. |
| 07:23.06 | superjoe30 | cmake: kde4-config not found - I have kde4-devel installed, what's the deal? |
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| 07:23.24 | norbert- | dpkg: *CenturySchL-Roma.pf* not found. |
| 07:23.25 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, norbert- |
| 07:23.26 | norbert- | and |
| 07:23.30 | norbert- | openoffice.org-common: /usr/lib/openoffice/share/psprint/fontmetric/NewCenturySchlbk-Roman.afm |
| 07:23.35 | adama_ | Using lenny/gnome/nautilus, is there a thing to install so I can right-click an image file and choose "set as desktop"? |
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| 07:23.50 | norbert- | so again, the issue seems to be with openoffice.org-common |
| 07:24.00 | stew | norbert-: that is a font metric, not a font, and it comes with a free license from adobe, and i told you where to find it |
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| 07:24.34 | stew | norbert-: do you have texlive-fonts-recommended installed? |
| 07:24.42 | buu | stew: If you have a font metric, don't you also have the font? |
| 07:24.49 | stew | buu: no |
| 07:25.01 | norbert- | stew: and as I said before, <norbert-> but the copyright file doesn't contain the words "font" in any case, nor the word "Century" |
| 07:25.04 | buu | stew: Oh. Why/when would you have one but not the other? |
| 07:25.16 | simonrvn | norbert-: apt-file; packages.d.o (debian.org) ; dlocate; are all good tools to find stuff |
| 07:25.24 | norbert- | no, texlive-fonts-recommended is not installed |
| 07:25.26 | stew | norbert-: why should the copyright file contain the word "font"? |
| 07:25.50 | norbert- | stew: what other file or directory should I look in, or should I look for other words? |
| 07:26.01 | stew | norbert-: that package doesn't contain any fonts |
| 07:26.33 | norbert- | so, we're back to the start then |
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| 07:27.03 | stew | norbert-: the font you are asking about is in the texlive-fonts-recommended package i don't know what other packages might contain it |
| 07:27.12 | Firefishe | anybody here have problems with 64 bit iceweasel playing flash sound on youtube or other sites? |
| 07:27.40 | norbert- | okay, so I'll just focus on the texlive-fonts-recommended package for now, even though I don't have it installed |
| 07:27.52 | norbert- | I'll install it and read all files in /usr/share/doc/texlive-fonts-recommended/ |
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| 07:28.11 | jberg | uhm, from this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso cd i get iptables package is corrupt and the installer says it can't download iptables also. is iptables removed from testing or something or did something fuck up when i downloaded or burned the cd? |
| 07:28.18 | stew | norbert-: becusae someone is selling a font doens't mean that debian can't distribute the file |
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| 07:28.47 | norbert- | stew: that I know, so I'm currently trying to find out how apt can distribute it and what the copyright/left terms are |
| 07:28.53 | norbert- | that's the reason I joined this channel |
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| 07:29.10 | buu | s/apt/debian/ |
| 07:30.23 | norbert- | ubuntu also uses the apt repositories |
| 07:30.37 | stew | norbert-: what do you mean by "the apt repositories" |
| 07:31.10 | norbert- | stew: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=apt+repositories+site%3Adebian.org&btnG=Search |
| 07:31.10 | jberg | and also, i made a raid partition specifically for /boot, but i forgot so now i have the whole / on lvm. is it to late in the installation to go back and mount the raid partition to /boot so grub can boot the system? |
| 07:31.11 | liable | jberg: try a different mirror |
| 07:31.35 | karlpinc | I can't find where it is in the boot scripts that /etc/sysctl.conf is read and ip forwarding turned on. (Assumeing that the depreciated /etc/network/options file is not used.) |
| 07:31.41 | norbert- | and besides, does it really matter, are you trying to say you don't understand what I mean, or at least understand too little of it to have a conversation? |
| 07:32.31 | stew | norbert-: no, i don't understand what you mean. and yes, i know what a repository is. your comment "ubuntu also uses the apt repositories" makes me wonder if you are misunderstanding somethign about debian/ubuntu or apt |
| 07:33.00 | karlpinc | norbert- : No, it's that you don't use the vocabularly properly, so nobody's really sure what you mean. |
| 07:33.37 | norbert- | the title of http://www.apt-get.org/ is "Unofficial APT repositories", apt uses repositories to provide files, those repositories are also used by ubuntu |
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| 07:33.48 | hov_ | <hov_> free -m reports Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 07:33.49 | hov_ | <hov_> what does that mean and how can i activate it? |
| 07:33.49 | stew | since "the repositories" seems to indicate that ubuntu and debian might be using the same repositories which is not true, or that maybe you think that there is something about the way that apt fetches from a repository that might preclude it from fetching software that costs money, neither of which is true |
| 07:34.15 | karlpinc | norbert- : Are you sure that apt-get.org is part of debian? |
| 07:34.22 | stew | karlpinc: its certainly not |
| 07:34.28 | norbert- | you're really just looking for small details to show off how much more you know about Linux-related issues, it's not helping anyone |
| 07:34.40 | norbert- | I didn't say that apt-get.org is part of Debian |
| 07:34.44 | stew | norbert-: sorry to bother you, i'll stop trying to help you |
| 07:34.48 | karlpinc | norbert- : No. We're explaing to you our difficulties. In detail. |
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| 07:35.04 | norbert- | it was an example to show you that the combination of words I used isn't unusual |
| 07:35.29 | norbert- | stew: I didn't say you are bothering me |
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| 07:35.56 | stew | norbert-: my intention was not to show off, it was to help you, but you are making trying to help you quite unrewarding |
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| 07:36.24 | norbert- | I'm trying to help the Debian project |
| 07:36.26 | norbert- | not myself |
| 07:37.01 | buu | Yes, but you are still annoying people trying to talk to you. |
| 07:37.11 | norbert- | I noticed that my Debian system includes a font that appears to be copyrighted, this made me get into action to try and find out how this is possible and if everything is fine |
| 07:37.12 | buu | I suspect it's mostly refusing to admit an error. |
| 07:37.27 | karlpinc | buu: Why? |
| 07:37.31 | stew | norbert-: almost all the software in debian is copyrighted |
| 07:37.36 | buu | karlpinc: Why which? |
| 07:37.58 | karlpinc | buu: Why do you suspect it's mostly refusing to admit an error? |
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| 07:38.15 | buu | karlpinc: It's a guess based on years of watching people yell at each other on IRC? |
| 07:38.16 | norbert- | stew: you really didn't understand that by "copyright", I mean "copyright by a third party that probably won't allow their material to be used by the Debian project"? |
| 07:38.24 | norbert- | stew: what else could I've possibly meant |
| 07:38.29 | stew | nm |
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| 07:39.28 | hov_ | should i swapon it |
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| 07:39.29 | hov_ | ? |
| 07:40.36 | karlpinc | hov_: There's a swapon command. But don't use it unless you know what your doing. |
| 07:41.00 | karlpinc | hov_ : I take it back. It's not dangerous any more, I don't think. |
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| 07:41.14 | norbert- | by the way, the /usr/share/doc/texlive-fonts-recommended/ directory contains copyright information, but not about the "Century Schoolbook L" font |
| 07:41.18 | hov_ | karlpinc: free reports 0 0 0 |
| 07:41.20 | hov_ | in swap |
| 07:42.17 | Firefishe | anyone know how to get 64bit iceweasel (2.6.26.1-amd64) to bind to OSS. I have no sound playing youtube flash videos. Video is okay. |
| 07:42.17 | norbert- | in fact, the fonts directory only includes charter euro-ce eurofont eurosym pxfonts rsfs txfonts wasy and the Licenses.gz doesn't mention any century font |
| 07:42.17 | stew | Firefishe: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 07:42.17 | Firefishe | stew...I'll look |
| 07:42.17 | sylarr | is there some way to splice vnc connections together? |
| 07:42.47 | jberg | in the debian installer i need to go back to the partition manager again while i have installed a bunch of things and mounted stuff, so it's complaining. can i unmount / and /home and /usr and remove the logical volumes some how? and just start over from partitioning? umount / in terminal says device is busy |
| 07:43.08 | norbert- | ah |
| 07:43.12 | norbert- | I probably found the answer |
| 07:43.23 | norbert- | "By the way, URW did not donate these fonts under the GPL out of their own hearts. Artifex paid good money for them, and donated them out of a mix of self-interest and altruism." (quoting from: http://www.advogato.org/person/raph/diary/257.html) |
| 07:43.27 | Firefishe | stew: I installed the .deb binary from opensound.com. I think it's suppressing the snd-pcm-oss from being loaded |
| 07:43.44 | stew | Firefishe: oh you are actually using oss drivers? |
| 07:44.25 | Firefishe | stew: I have to. Alsa isn't supporting this chip yet. I have sound everywhere else, just not in iceweasel. |
| 07:45.13 | MasterOfDisaster | karlpinc: http://rafb.net/p/hOwvdw61.html |
| 07:45.30 | stew | Firefishe: flash maybe be using alsa these days |
| 07:45.32 | norbert- | yes, this it it... they come from http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/ghost/AFPL/GhostPCL/urwfonts-1.41.tar.bz2 |
| 07:46.10 | Firefishe | stew: even rhythmbox is streaming radio just fine |
| 07:46.28 | Firefishe | stew: is there a way to bind iceweasel to the oss drivers? |
| 07:46.42 | stew | Firefishe: you mean flash? |
| 07:46.49 | Firefishe | yes... |
| 07:47.05 | stew | Firefishe: no idea |
| 07:47.14 | Firefishe | stew: k, I'll do some googling |
| 07:47.17 | Firefishe | thanks |
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| 07:47.45 | MasterOfDisaster | This is my hercules config: http://rafb.net/p/6v964e72.html, this is the log of what I'm running into when trying to partition the dasds: http://rafb.net/p/hOwvdw61.html |
| 07:48.08 | Doctor_Nick | where do error logs get dumped to after a kernel panic? |
| 07:48.12 | MasterOfDisaster | I tried using uncompressed volumes, but that lead to the same result. |
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| 07:48.19 | karlpinc | norbert- : I am shocked, shocked. Miscreants are selling to people something they could get for free. |
| 07:48.19 | Firefishe | stew: Oh, here's my terminal output: http://pastebin.ca/1274708 |
| 07:48.29 | Firefishe | stew: I would concur on the alsa issue |
| 07:49.16 | stew | Doctor_Nick: it can't do anything after a panic |
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| 07:49.32 | norbert- | karlpinc: :) |
| 07:49.32 | Firefishe | stew: My question is, is it flash looking for alsa, or iceweasel? |
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| 07:49.42 | stew | Firefishe: flash |
| 07:50.12 | Firefishe | k |
| 07:50.33 | stew | Firefishe: afaik |
| 07:50.37 | sylarr | what is the package name for the thing that makes copy paste work better |
| 07:50.58 | stew | sylarr: what do you mean by "work better"? |
| 07:50.58 | Firefishe | stew: k, I'll check in to it. There could be a workaround or a bug fix. |
| 07:51.25 | stew | Firefishe: alsa has a oss compatibility layer, i have no idea if oss has the converse |
| 07:51.44 | karlpinc | MasterOfDisaster : There is also a debian-installer channel. You'd want to check the topic there to see if they give help or if it's development conversation only. I forget the name of the channel... |
| 07:51.48 | sylarr | stew, ctrl-c + left mouse right mouse middle mouse + menu copy |
| 07:51.55 | Firefishe | stew: alsa doesn't properly recognize my soun dsystem. |
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| 07:52.27 | stew | Firefishe: which version(s) of alsa did you try? are you sure that a newer alsa than the one that comes with the kernel wouldn't work? |
| 07:52.31 | stew | sylarr: in what application? |
| 07:52.40 | sylarr | it seems like each has its own buffer |
| 07:52.52 | sylarr | gnome |
| 07:53.23 | stew | sylarr: afaik, gnome applications would use ctrl-c and menu copy to interact with the clipboard and the mouse to interact with the selection |
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| 07:53.44 | stew | sylarr: though if you are talking about gnome, you might be looking fro glipper |
| 07:53.59 | Firefishe | stew: I tried that before with the 32bit alsa before I installed this tonight. Nothing worked. I had to use the oss drivers to get anything, although flash worked just fine with the 32 bit stuff. |
| 07:54.33 | stew | sylarr: X has 3 such buffers: the clipboard, the primary selection, the secondary selection, that "ctrl-c" or "select with the mouse" does with those is entirely up to the application itself |
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| 07:55.25 | sylarr | stew, i want just one buffer |
| 07:55.44 | sylarr | stew or that they act like one |
| 07:56.34 | Firefishe | stew: To use the alsa-project source files, do I have to completely remove the alsa .debs I have? |
| 07:56.37 | MasterOfDisaster | karlpinc: that would be #debian-boot, right? that one is quite empty |
| 07:56.50 | stew | Firefishe: the oss debs? |
| 07:57.00 | karlpinc | MasterOfDisaster : Sounds plausable. |
| 07:57.02 | stew | oh, alsa debs |
| 07:57.04 | stew | Firefishe: no |
| 07:57.21 | stew | Firefishe: you'd just have to build new alsa driver debs to replace the drivers in the kernel, /msg dpkg new alsa |
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| 07:57.53 | stew | Firefishe: 2.6.26 would have alsa 1.0.16, "/msg dpkg new alsa" should get you at least 1.0.17 |
| 07:58.37 | hov_ | stew: is it dangerous to use swapon? |
| 07:59.03 | Firefishe | stew: most of the alsa-project sources are at 1.0.18 now, some are 1.0.17 |
| 07:59.13 | stew | hov_: i don't see why it would be |
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| 07:59.23 | Firefishe | stew: source doesn't have to be 32 or 64 bit does it? |
| 07:59.28 | stew | judd: versions alsa-source |
| 07:59.29 | Firefishe | just compiled for one or the other? |
| 07:59.29 | judd | stew: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg-1 |
| 07:59.54 | stew | Firefishe: so there are debs for both 1.0.17 and 1.0.18 available from debian. the source works for all architectures |
| 07:59.59 | hov_ | what value should i change in httpd.conf in order to improve the requests/sec in ab? |
| 08:00.25 | Firefishe | stew: will I have to add the experimental repositories for that to work? |
| 08:00.32 | karlpinc | stew : (I frightened him, recalling how once upon a time a swap partition had no signature, so swapping a partition with an fs on it was a handy way to destroy the fs.) |
| 08:00.35 | stew | Firefishe: no, /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 08:00.51 | Firefishe | stew: I did already. Okay, that answers my question. Thanks. |
| 08:01.18 | stew | karlpinc: i'd think that swapon would not let you activate something that hadn't had mkswap run on it already |
| 08:01.30 | stew | Firefishe: (the answer to your question was 'no') |
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| 08:01.47 | stew | oh, i did say 'no' :) |
| 08:01.52 | karlpinc | stew: Not since madanna reached the age of consent. |
| 08:02.29 | hov_ | karlpinc: what's a signature? |
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| 08:03.01 | karlpinc | hov_ : A way to recognize the partition. Don't worry about it. |
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| 08:04.53 | aetheria | is there a way to require *both* a pre-shared key *and* a password to login to sshd? |
| 08:05.24 | aetheria | in sshd_config I see only options to enable one or both, but not require both |
| 08:05.25 | oc80z | aetheria you can require a password with the key |
| 08:06.14 | Corwin | aetheria: How about a key with a passphrase? |
| 08:06.36 | aetheria | that passphrase is only there to prevent reading the private part of the key on the user's machine |
| 08:06.44 | aetheria | it does not add authentication security |
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| 08:07.01 | Corwin | I did not know that... |
| 08:07.01 | oc80z | hey a friend did: apt-get remove gdm ; rm -rf /etc/gdm ; and she wants to re-install gdm |
| 08:07.01 | aetheria | the key that gets read by the host is unencrypted |
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| 08:07.36 | oc80z | aetheria purhaps pam.d |
| 08:07.58 | aetheria | oc80z: yes that sounds like it might be so |
| 08:08.02 | oc80z | ill look into my configs |
| 08:08.03 | Corwin | oc80z: apt-get install gdm should be fine |
| 08:08.06 | oc80z | if you can help me with the gdm, |
| 08:08.12 | oc80z | /etc/gdm she says is still empty |
| 08:08.18 | stew | oc80z: /mgs dpkg confmiss |
| 08:08.24 | stew | oc80z: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 08:08.25 | oc80z | oh |
| 08:08.39 | Corwin | can you use apt-file to see what package owns the files in /etc/gdm ? |
| 08:08.52 | oc80z | so kXpvELmbby6 |
| 08:08.53 | oc80z | oops |
| 08:08.58 | karlpinc | oc80z : Should have purged gdm. apt-get purge gdm; apt-get install gdm |
| 08:09.02 | Corwin | I have kdm |
| 08:09.08 | karlpinc | !tell oc80z -about aptitude |
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| 08:09.32 | karlpinc | oc80z : It thinks you've still got the configs you want. |
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| 08:10.56 | karlpinc | stew: Is there a reason why /msg dpkg confmiss does not say to purge and then re-install? |
| 08:11.30 | stew | karlpinc: because purging would remove all of the their configuration which is maybe not what they want |
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| 08:11.53 | stew | karlpinc: and purging the package would take reverse-depends with it |
| 08:12.14 | oc80z | she did rm -rf /etc/gdm |
| 08:12.17 | karlpinc | stew: Makes sense. |
| 08:12.19 | oc80z | *shrug* |
| 08:12.25 | oc80z | aetheria im still looking at pam.d and sshd |
| 08:12.48 | karlpinc | oc80z : How you do it depends on whether you want a complete do-over or not I guess. |
| 08:13.34 | oc80z | she said she chose GDM not XDM at te choice |
| 08:13.38 | oc80z | aight. heh. |
| 08:13.52 | oc80z | i just asked her shes trying to install xdcmp setup |
| 08:13.57 | oc80z | aye, dunno. |
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| 08:20.12 | onetinsoldier | hello. the host is says i have 1 new memo. how do i view it? |
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| 08:20.26 | stew | onetinsoldier: /msg memoserv help |
| 08:21.03 | onetinsoldier | stew, thanks you! then i have beef to air... concerning make-kpkg |
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| 08:22.18 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Heya man, welcome back :) |
| 08:22.34 | onetinsoldier | hiya Firefishe! |
| 08:22.54 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, did you compile your new kernel? as a regular user?? |
| 08:23.14 | onetinsoldier | compile it at all.. i got your memo btw |
| 08:23.20 | onetinsoldier | ?? |
| 08:23.50 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Umm...well, not exactly. Let's just say I got a new system...and I'm working out the bugs. I'm now in 64 bit user space |
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| 08:24.20 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, roger that. i got the memo. now, when you say a new system, do you mean a new computer? |
| 08:24.40 | onetinsoldier | or do you just mean the new 64-bit userspace? |
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| 08:24.55 | maligor | Firefishe, yes, I once found a larvae inside some shiny plastic packaging |
| 08:24.57 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Same computer. I d/l a 37mb bizcard netinstall image last night and tonight, went to town ;) |
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| 08:25.11 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, very cool |
| 08:25.29 | onetinsoldier | now.. i have a beef with make-kpkg. |
| 08:25.45 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: so we can collaborate on 64 bit issues is you'd like. (yup! got lib32 and lib64 directories ;) ) |
| 08:25.58 | onetinsoldier | more than one.. but i'll just go on about one of them |
| 08:26.16 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: my flash plugin for iceweasel won't bind to the oss drivers I'm using. No sound on youtube. |
| 08:26.35 | maligor | using the adobe one? |
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| 08:27.34 | Firefishe | maligor: no, I suppose I can install it. From adobe? |
| 08:27.55 | hov_ | if i use script(1) how do i stop it from logging? |
| 08:27.58 | Firefishe | What I really want is 64 bit Firefox. |
| 08:28.06 | maligor | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 08:28.10 | maligor | ha a 64bit version |
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| 08:28.28 | maligor | a beta anyway |
| 08:28.45 | maligor | oh, sorry, alpha |
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| 08:29.47 | maligor | Firefishe, oh.. you're running debian i386 with lib64 installed and a amd64 kernel? |
| 08:30.12 | maligor | since there's no reason to run 64bit firefox if that's the case |
| 08:30.18 | maligor | you can just use the stable flash 10 |
| 08:30.30 | Firefishe | maligor: Yup! I'm in 64 bit user space. |
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| 08:31.12 | maligor | unless you're using sparc64 or something :P |
| 08:31.28 | onetinsoldier | nvm about my beef with make-kpkg... i just realized i would need to be in my regular users home dir in order to compile the kernel as non-root user. my bad |
| 08:31.41 | onetinsoldier | i am soo used to using /usr/src |
| 08:31.43 | Firefishe | Learning the ropes....things seem a bit faster. My dns resolution problems seem to be less of an issue now, although it's still faster in vista64. I may need to use ndiswrapper around the RealTek driver for my ethernet card. I haven't tested ath9k for this 64 bit version yet. |
| 08:32.17 | maligor | onetinsoldier, you could add yourself to the 'src' group of oligarchists |
| 08:32.34 | onetinsoldier | maligor, ahh, i should do that. thanks |
| 08:32.35 | Firefishe | maligor: I've been having dns latency issues, wi-fi issues, and sound issues. |
| 08:33.07 | maligor | Firefishe, mm.. well, 64bit isn't really much faster |
| 08:33.30 | maligor | amd64 is the only 64bit arch that actually gained ANY performance |
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| 08:33.41 | maligor | probably mostly because x86 is crap |
| 08:33.49 | Firefishe | oh, with the actual amd architecture? I've got intel |
| 08:33.57 | maligor | same thing |
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| 08:34.27 | maligor | Firefishe, vista probably has a cache |
| 08:34.50 | maligor | try installing nscd |
| 08:35.47 | Firefishe | what is it and what does it do? |
| 08:36.02 | maligor | hmm.. or was it nscd |
| 08:36.10 | Firefishe | oh...name server cache daemon? |
| 08:36.32 | maligor | hmm.. yeah |
| 08:36.37 | maligor | never actually used it |
| 08:37.15 | maligor | I guess it does cache dns lookups |
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| 08:38.26 | maligor | Firefishe, behind a slow link? |
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| 08:38.53 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, what does the lib32 dir(and associte libs) do for you? allow you to run some 32-bit apps that you couldn't otherwise? i don't think i have such a dir |
| 08:39.09 | stew | onetinsoldier: "adduser username src" if you want to get write access to /usr/src |
| 08:39.11 | onetinsoldier | associate* |
| 08:39.15 | stew | oh, someone said that |
| 08:39.24 | onetinsoldier | stew, done.. a couple of minutes ago |
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| 08:39.36 | hov_ | what value should i change in httpd.conf in order to improve the requests/sec in ab? |
| 08:39.45 | Firefishe | maligor: Well, the potential is there due to the type of isp I have. It's a spread-spectrum wide area network, so there is some latency to be expected. However, vistay64 works flawlessly. |
| 08:40.00 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I don't know about the 32 bit stuff. Just installed this thing about an hour ago. |
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| 08:40.08 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, rogeer |
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| 08:40.23 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I'm going to have to ask you for the kernel-build instructions again. Resizing my partition toasted my data. |
| 08:40.40 | muhuk | my /etc/conf.d is missing (Lenny)! |
| 08:40.54 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok. i just discovered i also have a /lib32 dir |
| 08:41.29 | maligor | Firefishe, I'm pretty sure all windows's use a name cache |
| 08:41.33 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: That makes sense to have a 32bit userland compatability layer, like vista 64 has. I run 32 bit windows apps all the time with no problem. |
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| 08:41.48 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, roger |
| 08:41.54 | craigevil | muhuk: whats is /etc/conf.d ? no file by that name on my sid install |
| 08:42.06 | Firefishe | maligor...I just installed nscd, and it's running. |
| 08:42.13 | muhuk | I can't believe my eye! How can /etc/conf.d/ disappear? I have done nothing suspicious except lately installing flashplayer-nonfree from the backport. |
| 08:42.26 | maligor | Firefishe, might have to restart the applications also that do queries |
| 08:42.44 | Firefishe | maligor: which are? |
| 08:42.53 | maligor | like iceweasel |
| 08:43.00 | muhuk | craigevil: aren't supposed to use, say; /etc/conf.d/apache restart to control services? |
| 08:43.12 | stew | muhuk: /etc/init.d not /etc/conf.d |
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| 08:43.35 | maligor | what cursed system uses conf.d? |
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| 08:43.43 | Firefishe | craigevil: I scrolled up in ##linux and saw your flash 10 advice....missed it. |
| 08:43.54 | onetinsoldier | craigevil, i'm running lenny here. i don't have any /etc/conf.d here either. if i did i wouold tend to think it would be a directory |
| 08:44.17 | muhuk | ehm. Thank you! :) |
| 08:44.19 | onetinsoldier | nvm.. i see i was to slow |
| 08:44.23 | muhuk | of course |
| 08:44.28 | craigevil | Firefishe: try using Adobe's Flash 10 works perfectly here |
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| 08:44.58 | craigevil | Firefishe: if your on lenny you might have to install it from sid |
| 08:45.01 | Firefishe | craigevil: does it go in /.mozilla/plugins or somewhere is /usr/share/ |
| 08:45.16 | Firefishe | I downloaded the plugin, and need to know where to put it |
| 08:45.18 | craigevil | just use apt/aptitude to install from sid |
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| 08:46.22 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i download the .tar.gz of it. i can find out where i put it in a minute |
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| 08:46.48 | Firefishe | craigevil: I don't have my repositories set up for sid..I have lenny, and I don't really want to mess it up ;) |
| 08:47.04 | jberg | i've followed the madwifi-install from dpkg and it seems to work fine, but i try to |
| 08:47.14 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 08:47.16 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.18 | jberg | check for my wireless with iwconfig but it says it ccan't find iwconfig |
| 08:47.23 | naiv | how can i see weither CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT_V3 is "activated" in the kernel ? |
| 08:47.36 | jberg | is there a package i need for iwconfig? |
| 08:47.43 | Firefishe | jberg: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 08:47.49 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you must! make sure you get rid of any other flash you have installed first |
| 08:48.06 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: gotcha. |
| 08:48.13 | Firefishe | jberg: atheros perhap? |
| 08:48.25 | craigevil | Firefishe: you can also use debian-multimedia.org's repo I think even in testing it has flash 10 |
| 08:48.30 | jberg | fireba1l, yes wireless-tools |
| 08:48.37 | stew | naiv: grep CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT_V3 /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:48.39 | jberg | hmm, but iwconfig doesn't see ath0 |
| 08:48.44 | maligor | madwifi-tools? |
| 08:48.55 | jberg | i've installed madwifi-tools |
| 08:49.03 | Firefishe | craigevil: debian-multimedia for 64 bit userland, though? |
| 08:49.04 | jberg | no errors as far as i can tell |
| 08:49.10 | craigevil | jberg: check /etc/network/interfaces and make sue ath0 is listed |
| 08:49.19 | jberg | ath_pci module is loaded |
| 08:49.21 | naiv | stew :D |
| 08:49.33 | maligor | jberg, try wlanconfig |
| 08:49.41 | jberg | craigevil, ah ath0 is not listed |
| 08:49.46 | maligor | can't remember how it worked tho |
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| 08:49.57 | Firefishe | jberg: if that works for you, please let me know. |
| 08:50.22 | stew | jberg: that's not the reason you don't see ath0. unload and reload the driver then check "dmesg | tail" for errors |
| 08:50.24 | Firefishe | jberg: I've been anching to get this atheros card working even when I had my 32bit debian lenny installed. |
| 08:51.20 | maligor | 3 driver options now for atheros, madwifi, ath5k and ath9k |
| 08:54.09 | Firefishe | Here's my `sudo locate flash' output: http://rafb.net/p/aG2DCG13.html . Can somebody please look to see which directory my flash plugin is located, please. |
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| 08:55.52 | hov_ | <hov_> InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11 |
| 08:55.52 | hov_ | <hov_> InnoDB: Check that you do not already have another mysqld process |
| 08:55.54 | hov_ | help! |
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| 08:56.25 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, uninstall your flash with apt-get remove <flash_package> |
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| 08:56.59 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I don't want my videos to get trashed. |
| 08:57.14 | jberg | Stew, hmm all i can really see is ath_hal module licence proprietary taints kernel |
| 08:57.23 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, the flash package contained videos? |
| 08:57.28 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.59 | jberg | stew, also theres ADDRCONF(NETDEV up) eth0: link is down but i don't know what that is. i use eth1 for internett now |
| 08:58.08 | onetinsoldier | craigevil, are you using lenny? |
| 08:58.19 | craigevil | nope i run sid |
| 08:58.51 | onetinsoldier | craigevil, in lenny there doesn't appear to be a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 08:59.19 | onetinsoldier | i don't even have a /usr/lib/mozilla |
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| 08:59.32 | craigevil | onetinsoldier: there is in Firefishe paste /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so |
| 08:59.48 | onetinsoldier | however, i do have a /usr/lib/iceweasel |
| 08:59.55 | jan247 | quit |
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| 09:00.45 | jberg | does anyone know what ath_hal: module licence "Proprietary" taints kernel means from dmesg? |
| 09:01.01 | liable | jberg: its nonfree. you can ignore it |
| 09:01.02 | onetinsoldier | craigevil, i'm thinking he won't have it anymore if he uninstalls the flash plugin. unless he installed some mozilla package i don't have installed |
| 09:01.29 | Firefishe | I do a search string for 'flash' in synaptic, and I get these three files: libswfdec-0.6-90, swfdec-gnome, and swfdec-mozilla. Trying to remove any of them and it wants to remove my whole gnome desktop. |
| 09:01.38 | craigevil | Firefishe: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/ |
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| 09:02.09 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, what does dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so say? |
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| 09:03.11 | jberg | gah, my brother had removed the wireless card from the computer. now i've inserted it, should work better :) |
| 09:03.20 | onetinsoldier | jberg, lol |
| 09:03.59 | craigevil | that would tend to help |
| 09:03.59 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: sudo dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so dpkg: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so not found. |
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| 09:04.14 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, doh |
| 09:04.44 | Firefishe | ?? |
| 09:04.58 | onetinsoldier | is thew file that you put in pastebin not there? |
| 09:05.29 | onetinsoldier | the pastebin line 6 from your search shows... /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so |
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| 09:05.45 | craigevil | jberg: if you use gdesklets you might like http://www.xirrus.com/library/wifitools.php |
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| 09:06.20 | jberg | okay so now i get Madwifi: unable to attach hardware: hardware self-test failed (Hal status 14) from dmesg after modprobe -r ath_pci modprobe ath_pci |
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| 09:06.51 | jberg | craigevil, cool |
| 09:07.14 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I haven't put it there yet |
| 09:07.31 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok, i'm cornfus-ed |
| 09:07.55 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, anyway.. it's past 2 am here and time for bed for me. |
| 09:08.19 | onetinsoldier | g'night and take care all |
| 09:08.37 | Firefishe | night onetin |
| 09:08.39 | Firefishe | be well |
| 09:08.42 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
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| 09:14.50 | pif | hi, which ssl certificate company should I purchase from? (more open-source friendly) |
| 09:16.56 | jberg | hm, what is this madwifi-ng thing? is madwifi-tools obsolete or something now? |
| 09:18.55 | craigevil | sid repo doesn't show madwifi-ng at least not using madwifi to search in synaptic |
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| 09:19.23 | maligor | might be a branch with support for atheros 5008 |
| 09:20.21 | jberg | hm says madwifi is going to be replaced by ath5k |
| 09:20.39 | maligor | yep, ath5k is based on the new wifi stack |
| 09:21.00 | jberg | so i should maybe try that then. but nothing in debian testing repos yet |
| 09:21.04 | maligor | it's included in recent kernels |
| 09:21.43 | maligor | then there's ath9k for the 11n devices |
| 09:21.44 | jberg | really? should i maybe remove the madwifi ath_pci module? |
| 09:21.57 | jberg | or, how do i get my card to work with it.. |
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| 09:22.14 | maligor | what card is it? |
| 09:22.32 | Firefishe | I just found out that /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so is a symlink to /usr/lib/swfdec-mizilla/libswfdecmozilla.so |
| 09:22.34 | danielito | anyone knows a good open source tool to model some diagrams? i don't like dia :-/ |
| 09:22.49 | craigevil | ath5k is in the 2.6.27 kernel, ath_pci should work fine in a 2.6.26 or 2.6.24 |
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| 09:23.29 | Firefishe | mizilla...LOL should be mozilla |
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| 09:23.45 | jberg | maligor smcwpcit-g, lspci says atheros communicationcs AR5212/AR5213 |
| 09:24.02 | Firefishe | Well, will have to figure it out later. Need to go for now. Be well all, and, as always, thanks for the help. :) |
| 09:24.06 | Firefishe | bye for now |
| 09:24.32 | maligor | jberg, mm, that's abg |
| 09:24.41 | maligor | or bg |
| 09:24.42 | jberg | craigevil, okay i have 2.6.26 kernel. should i remove the ath_pci module from madwifi if it's interfering with the kernel? |
| 09:24.59 | jberg | maligor, what do you mean bg? |
| 09:25.32 | maligor | 802.11b and 802.11g |
| 09:25.34 | craigevil | ath_pci should work, try rmmod ath_pci modprobe ath_pci, also check that wirless is on in the BIOS |
| 09:25.46 | maligor | 2.6.26 has ath5k included |
| 09:26.05 | craigevil | last i knew it didnt work using the debian kernel |
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| 09:27.09 | aetheria | well, i have to test this... |
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| 09:29.38 | aetheria | woohoo |
| 09:29.39 | aetheria | ath0 is now wlan1 |
| 09:30.16 | jberg | okay, now i've aptitude remove madwifi-tools, but how do i use the ath5k stuff from the kernel? reboot, load new modules? |
| 09:31.04 | craigevil | try modprobe ath5k, you might take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/UseUpstreamAtherosModules |
| 09:31.19 | aetheria | odd i don't see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25..net_rules anymore |
| 09:31.50 | aetheria | fsck, wtf keeps overwriting my $PATH all of a sudden? |
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| 09:33.18 | aetheria | i have it set in .bashrc, but find that it suddenly changes |
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| 09:33.34 | Internat | sudo ? or su? or something simular? |
| 09:33.47 | aetheria | no, regular user, in a console |
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| 09:35.46 | VI_Lenin | Hi everybody! I want to add cpecific nameserver to resolv.conf, but Network Manager re-writes it during bootup. How to tune it? |
| 09:36.36 | aetheria | VI_Lenin: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 09:36.55 | aetheria | supersede domain-name-servers ...... |
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| 09:38.33 | jberg | craigevil, when i try modprobe ath5k i get ath5k_pci registered as phy0 ath5k: phy0 POST Failed!!! |
| 09:38.52 | jberg | screw this, im using wire some more |
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| 09:39.12 | jberg | strange though, that card used to work with the old madwifi-tools :X |
| 09:39.21 | aetheria | jberg: is the kill switch on? |
| 09:39.50 | soulchild | Hi all,... One simple question: Is a cron in crontab also executed, if the user is NOT logged in ? |
| 09:39.53 | craigevil | i gave up trying to get ath5k to work, it even already in the 2.6.27 kernel i use on my eee, madwifi works |
| 09:40.18 | aetheria | it works great here, as of 5 min ago :-) |
| 09:40.32 | unop | ath5k refuses to work here. |
| 09:40.49 | unop | jberg, it needs to be unloaded first, by the way |
| 09:40.55 | jberg | aetheria, kill switch? |
| 09:41.50 | aetheria | jberg: i don't know. mine has a kill switch. |
| 09:42.24 | aetheria | unop: what do you mean by "refuses to work"? |
| 09:42.27 | jberg | hm, i have a /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi file with blacklist ath5k, can that interfere with anything? or is that leftover from aptitude remove madwifi-tools? |
| 09:42.57 | aetheria | jberg: that will blacklist the ath5k module from being loaded |
| 09:43.21 | aetheria | which you do not want. you actually want to blacklist ath_pci if you are using it. |
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| 09:43.56 | jberg | but will it blacklist it if it's in its own file and not modprobe.d/blacklist? |
| 09:44.04 | danielito | !tell danielito compile |
| 09:44.12 | aetheria | or just apt-get remove --purge all the madwifi stuff |
| 09:45.01 | craigevil | the madwifi is blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi, while installing madwifi-tools will blacklist ath5k |
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| 09:46.44 | unop | aetheria, it doesn't put the interface into any good use - i've given up on it in favour of madwifi which works fine |
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| 09:46.50 | jberg | aetheria, still get ath5k phy0 post failed |
| 09:46.51 | aetheria | not sure if its the driver or what, but i'm seeing more packet loss with this driver |
| 09:47.09 | aetheria | jberg: is it enabled in bios? |
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| 09:47.27 | jberg | what? |
| 09:47.35 | rikva | What is the difference between using an ip alias like eth0:0 and adding ip addresses using "ip" ? |
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| 09:47.56 | petemc | using ip the addresess are added to the same interface |
| 09:48.28 | rikva | and with an alias not? |
| 09:48.38 | petemc | they're virtual interfaces |
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| 09:49.06 | rikva | apart from that, there's no difference in performance or so? |
| 09:49.15 | petemc | im not aware of any |
| 09:49.17 | aetheria | i think there are some limitations with things like bridging |
| 09:50.11 | rikva | hmmkay, thanks |
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| 09:52.40 | hnt | Hello everybody, I'm running Samba on a Lenny server, but it doesn't want to start anymore. I'v got : lib/interface.c:load_interfaces(543) |
| 09:52.42 | hnt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:03.33 | hanibana | hi :) |
| 10:03.41 | hanibana | Where can I find the manual for the "write" system call? |
| 10:03.58 | hanibana | that explains its syntax |
| 10:04.21 | hanibana | is there any man page? |
| 10:04.26 | trumpen | hanibana, try man 2 write |
| 10:04.43 | hanibana | ok i see |
| 10:05.04 | hanibana | trumpen, No manual entry for write in section 2 |
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| 10:05.47 | trumpen | hanibana, then you need the package manpages-dev :) |
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| 10:07.51 | hanibana | trumpen, very thanks :) |
| 10:08.03 | hanibana | I installed it |
| 10:08.11 | hanibana | and it did worked |
| 10:08.55 | trumpen | hanibana, yw :) |
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| 10:10.20 | Silicium | hi there |
| 10:10.24 | Silicium | how i can generate the dists Releasefile? with all Hashes from Packages{.gz} ? |
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| 10:15.30 | OpenTokix | anyone know some nifty command to pick out a chunk of a line. Much like grep takes out a line of a file |
| 10:15.34 | OpenTokix | I want to take a chunk of a line |
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| 10:15.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | awk? |
| 10:15.53 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, or cut |
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| 10:16.12 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: Can't find a cut-pattern working, since I only can have a single char delimiter |
| 10:16.18 | OpenTokix | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe, not so fluent in awk |
| 10:17.00 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, more like: bladieblah |grep [your catch] | cut 1,2,3,4 (egt 1-4 chars taken out |
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| 10:18.09 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: i need like a chunk of text |
| 10:18.24 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: its a mysql-dump, each line is 1M =) |
| 10:18.41 | dutchfish | OpenTokix then my best bet is indeed awk |
| 10:18.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | OpenTokix, cut -f " " -d 74 :) |
| 10:18.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, agreed |
| 10:18.56 | OpenTokix | ok, trying |
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| 10:19.27 | mhymn_ | 'tail' in some rare cases! |
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| 10:19.39 | dutchfish | mhymn_, to much overhead 9cpu cycles) |
| 10:19.50 | mhymn_ | hmm |
| 10:19.59 | OpenTokix | mhymn_: i used head and tail to get the correct line |
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| 10:22.12 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, why not use stored procedures, many nice features in there and blazingly fast |
| 10:22.31 | Silicium | is there a debian dev chan? |
| 10:23.14 | dutchfish | Silicium, normally such q are best asked in the mentors channel i gues |
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| 10:23.46 | Silicium | dutchfish: hmm ok |
| 10:24.12 | mhymn_ | you'd find some of them on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:25.14 | Silicium | ok |
| 10:25.18 | Silicium | thx |
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| 10:27.01 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: in mysql? |
| 10:27.16 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, sure |
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| 10:27.42 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, that is when mysql > 5 is used |
| 10:27.47 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: this is a dump, that produced some error when I tried to merge it into mysql |
| 10:28.01 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, ah... |
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| 10:28.57 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, what was the dumps origin? db type and version? |
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| 10:29.15 | Mistraal | Good morning. I have a problem. I installed postgresql on my etch machine. Then for one reason or another I ununstalled it. After I uninstalled it I thought I would be smart and delete the /etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 file. Not so smart. Now I would like to reinstall postgresql and this file is not being recreated. |
| 10:29.17 | Mistraal | What do I do? |
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| 10:29.36 | OpenTokix | dub: mysql, 5+ |
| 10:29.56 | dutchfish | Mistraal, save you db's, purge it and reinstall |
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| 10:30.40 | Mistraal | dutchfish how do I purge? |
| 10:30.42 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, mm... not found any dumb bugs in mysql 5 other then when mixing up inodb with other |
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| 10:31.05 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: might be some error in the actual db |
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| 10:31.21 | dutchfish | Mistraal, if etch apt-get --remove --purge [package] |
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| 10:31.55 | dutchfish | Mistraal, of if that does not work dpkg --purge [package] |
| 10:32.17 | dutchfish | Mistraal, be sure to make a copy of your db's first |
| 10:33.10 | tuxcrafter | hi everybody i want to isntall grub on a disk by uuid how can i do this: grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/ '(hd0)' |
| 10:33.10 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, do yoy still have the source database running? |
| 10:33.13 | tuxcrafter | that is by device |
| 10:33.18 | Mistraal | sorry that didn't appear to work |
| 10:33.34 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: yes |
| 10:33.58 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, my best bet is then to upgrade that one to a simular version and then dump again |
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| 10:34.14 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: not an option currently |
| 10:34.16 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, make backups before you do |
| 10:34.24 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: this is from backups =) |
| 10:34.29 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, ah ic |
| 10:34.41 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: its for a test, so - not critical |
| 10:34.44 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, can be a hard job to correct a dump |
| 10:34.47 | OpenTokix | but I can't mess with the running db |
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| 10:35.26 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, then install the same verson on a temporary machine or so and dump from them, this can save you a lot of time |
| 10:35.51 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, or even sync it to the new db |
| 10:36.04 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: im trying to press in the dump again, hoping for a "fluke" =) |
| 10:36.05 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, mysql 5 has nice failover features |
| 10:36.13 | dutchfish | OpenTokix, oki, gl |
| 10:36.15 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: aye |
| 10:36.17 | OpenTokix | dutchfish: thx |
| 10:37.00 | Mistraal | dutchfish sorry that didn't work ... should I have rebooted or restarted something in between? |
| 10:37.39 | dutchfish | Mistraal, you could also try aptitude reinstall [package] |
| 10:37.57 | dutchfish | Mistraal, no unless you installed a new kernel |
| 10:38.24 | Mistraal | dutchfish no joy with that either |
| 10:38.39 | dutchfish | Mistraal, paste me a one liner of the error you got |
| 10:38.55 | Mistraal | no error ... the /etc/init.d(postgres file does not exist |
| 10:39.08 | Mistraal | so I cannot start it |
| 10:39.19 | dutchfish | Mistraal, ok, what i do: |
| 10:39.27 | dutchfish | Mistraal, install mc |
| 10:39.35 | dutchfish | Mistraal, go to the cache dir of apt |
| 10:39.48 | dutchfish | Mistraal, open the deb inside mc |
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| 10:40.06 | dutchfish | Mistraal, copy that file to the dest dir where you deleted it |
| 10:40.15 | dutchfish | Mistraal, its a heck but it worked for me |
| 10:40.43 | Mistraal | and that file is easy to spot inside the .deb? |
| 10:40.47 | mhymn_ | tuxcrafter: #grub ? |
| 10:40.57 | dutchfish | Mistraal, yes, with mc you can navigate inside |
| 10:41.55 | mhymn_ | prefers dpkg -x |
| 10:41.56 | dutchfish | Mistraal, or use packagesearch on a machine with a desktop to locate the file |
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| 10:42.20 | dutchfish | mhymn_, yup, if you do no the path |
| 10:42.26 | dutchfish | s/no/know |
| 10:42.30 | mfoniso | the dpkg man pages states: "... This manual should not be used by package maintainers wishing to understand how dpkg will install their packages. The descriptions of what dpkg does when installing and removing packages are particularly inadequate." |
| 10:42.32 | mfoniso | Where can one get that information? (i.e. descriptions of what dpkg does...) |
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| 10:43.30 | sep | tried reading in /usr/share/doc/dpkg ? |
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| 10:45.40 | dutchfish | my q: i am looking for a intro to merge http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/ into stock lenny kernel for making a real time kernel |
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| 10:45.50 | spy09 | goodevening everyone |
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| 10:45.58 | jberg | isn't ssh enabled in debian lenny from install? |
| 10:46.05 | [RUsh] | How can I prevent debian from loading some modules? |
| 10:46.07 | jberg | sshd |
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| 10:46.21 | dutchfish | !blacklist |
| 10:46.22 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 10:46.25 | spy09 | i've got a question regarding xelatex |
| 10:47.03 | thumbnail | hi, could anyone tell me if the debian testing netinst image supports wireless and if so does it support the ath9k module? |
| 10:47.06 | [RUsh] | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 10:47.06 | dpkg | i heard blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 10:47.18 | dutchfish | jberg, if you want the ssh server aptitude install openssh-server or something like that |
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| 10:47.26 | mhymn_ | !tell [RUsh] -about msg the bot |
| 10:47.52 | jberg | yes i need just the metapackage ssh |
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| 10:48.20 | spy09 | i'm trying to write mathematical formulae (using the amsmath, amssymb and amsfont packages) in xelatex, and the math symbols will not show on my pdf, a blank is left instead. the same xelatex source file is being parsed successfully by friends using gentoo and ubuntu. anyone got a hint? |
| 10:48.23 | [RUsh] | mhymn_: thanx |
| 10:49.09 | Mistraal | dutchfish you, sir are a lifesaver. Thankyou. |
| 10:49.20 | dutchfish | Mistraal, yw |
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| 10:50.31 | spy09 | I get these warnings while parsing my document, while the other guys using ubuntu and gentoo don't : http://pastebin.ca/1274814 |
| 10:50.41 | spy09 | we've tried it with lenny and sid as well... |
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| 10:52.27 | dutchfish | spy09, where is the initial created pdf located? |
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| 10:54.13 | tuxcrafter | mhymn_: thanks |
| 10:54.21 | mhymn_ | np |
| 10:54.34 | dutchfish | spy09, did you try to do it inside /tmp and when finished copy it over to the dest? |
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| 10:55.18 | spy09 | dutchfish: it's here : http://spyroulla.ath.cx/ask1.tex |
| 10:55.34 | spy09 | (i can't upload it in pastebin, contains too much binary characters) |
| 10:56.03 | dutchfish | spy09, ok |
| 10:56.54 | dutchfish | spy09, i ran into alot of problems myself creating pdf's, 1, too long path's for the helper progs 2. permission problems |
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| 10:57.32 | spy09 | dutchfish: there are no permission problems, i am doing the whole xelatex parsing command in a folder inside my /hoe |
| 10:57.35 | spy09 | */home |
| 10:57.37 | dutchfish | spy09, try to do the job in /tmp |
| 10:57.55 | spy09 | dutchfish: this was not a problem a couple of months ago |
| 10:58.06 | dutchfish | spy09, mmm... |
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| 10:58.43 | spy09 | i was writing tons of mathematical formulae over the last semseter (till July) and everything was working 100% |
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| 10:59.01 | spy09 | the same installation (debian testing), the same repos, same packages, same .tex code |
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| 10:59.38 | pyrohotdog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:59.46 | g0rd0n | cause open source sucks |
| 10:59.55 | pyrohotdog | :| |
| 11:00.14 | pyrohotdog | Uhm, you're in the wrong room then? |
| 11:00.16 | rsavu | any ideeas why apache2 won't render a flash menu? (i'm using debian etch) |
| 11:00.20 | dutchfish | spy09, starting with version |
| 11:00.21 | dutchfish | `4.0h/beta' of x-symbol, the line parsing of AUC TeX and preview-latex is fully supported. Earlier versions exhibit problems. (i dont know lenny's status on this) |
| 11:00.37 | g0rd0n | rsavu: it's not apache's job to render |
| 11:00.45 | rsavu | what do i need to install |
| 11:00.48 | g0rd0n | it's your browser's job |
| 11:01.09 | spy09 | dutchfish: mmm what should i do about that? |
| 11:01.41 | rsavu | problem is i moved a joomla site from one server to the other. flash is okay on the old one, but on the new one it just isn't there |
| 11:01.49 | dutchfish | spy09, it will prolly be solved, you could delve the bug-reports, or file a bug yourself |
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| 11:02.24 | spy09 | all right, so it's a known bug you say, about the version |
| 11:02.26 | dutchfish | spy09, try to narrow down the arrow more specifically |
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| 11:02.37 | rsavu | apache2 on the new one is a fresh install |
| 11:02.43 | dutchfish | s/arrow/error |
| 11:03.13 | spy09 | xm ok, the thing is that the problem exists on a sid installation as well |
| 11:03.18 | spy09 | not only lenny |
| 11:03.32 | dutchfish | spy09, but my bugs werent bugs at all, more permission problems wich sorted out when i started using /tmp for pdf creation |
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| 11:04.06 | spy09 | dutchfish: aha, ok, i c. well, as i told you before, this whole thing was working perfectly a few months ago |
| 11:04.20 | spy09 | and should be working now |
| 11:04.28 | dutchfish | spy09, hard to tell whats changed |
| 11:04.28 | rsavu | any ideeas what the problem is? |
| 11:04.46 | spy09 | i replaced the whole amsfonts, amsmath and amssymb packages with other ones and the problem is still there, so it's not with those packages |
| 11:05.07 | spy09 | ah, another thing, same math symbols with latex work perfectly ok |
| 11:05.13 | spy09 | the problem is with xelatex |
| 11:05.35 | dutchfish | spy09, if this is a tes environment try running it in /tmp |
| 11:05.58 | dutchfish | spy09, debian can be particular when it comes to security ;) |
| 11:06.21 | spy09 | so, you say to try to create a directory in /tmp |
| 11:06.27 | spy09 | and do the parsing in there? |
| 11:06.46 | dutchfish | spy09, yep, and do the work there till finished, then copy the result to your destination |
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| 11:06.52 | jberg | i always forget when i create symlinks, if i want /etc/alternatives/editor to point to /usr/bin/vim, is vim the target and link editor? |
| 11:07.03 | dutchfish | spy09, if that works its certainly a permission problem |
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| 11:07.22 | spy09 | ok, let me try it right now |
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| 11:07.27 | liable | jberg: use 'update-alternatives' |
| 11:07.39 | jberg | oh |
| 11:07.50 | jberg | but about the symlink, was i right? |
| 11:07.53 | liable | update-alternatives --config sensible-editor .. iirc |
| 11:08.12 | spy09 | dutchfish: as I expected, same warnings, same thing |
| 11:08.14 | spy09 | no math symbols shown |
| 11:08.15 | hugh_SH | hi geeks, to remove a non-empty directory, i am suggested to use 'rm -rf dir', i'm wondering if it's ok to use 'rm -r dir'? |
| 11:08.29 | dutchfish | spy09, i have no more clues |
| 11:08.45 | spy09 | dutchfish: okay then. thank you very much for your help |
| 11:08.58 | spy09 | i'll try to mail the xelatex maintainers to see what comes around |
| 11:09.00 | jberg | liable, yes, but could you tell me if i have the symlink syntax right? i always confuse target and link |
| 11:09.20 | spy09 | have a nice evening everyone |
| 11:09.29 | Spida | good morning |
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| 11:09.58 | liable | jberg: no idea. i havent ever linked, it, but the alternative should link to the app one would think.. |
| 11:10.10 | mhymn_ | hugh_SH: when in doubt you'd better read the manpage |
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| 11:11.07 | heyuxiang | linux doesn't bring money ... |
| 11:11.14 | dutchfish | my q: i am looking for a intro to merge http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/ into stock lenny kernel for making a real time kernel the debian way? |
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| 11:11.36 | heyuxiang | dutchfish--> germany ? |
| 11:11.45 | dutchfish | heyuxiang, netherlands |
| 11:12.07 | heyuxiang | dutchfish--> ok ... i guess almost right |
| 11:12.14 | dutchfish | heyuxiang, :) |
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| 11:12.57 | mhymn_ | dutchfish: i'd suggest trying debian kernel devs ML |
| 11:13.17 | dutchfish | mhymn_, is it a channel? |
| 11:13.32 | mhymn_ | no, i mean mailing list |
| 11:13.37 | dutchfish | mhymn_, ah ic |
| 11:13.42 | heyuxiang | there is rt-sources in gentoo |
| 11:13.46 | dutchfish | mhymn_, ok, thanks i will do |
| 11:13.53 | petemc | dutchfish: have you tried patching using conventional methods? |
| 11:13.54 | mhymn_ | yw |
| 11:14.27 | dutchfish | petchema, i can produce a vanilla, when trying to using the lates lenny sources, it gets confused |
| 11:15.02 | dutchfish | petemc, so far i tried 2.6.27 latest and 2.6.26 all work in vanilla |
| 11:15.20 | petchema | sorry, I don't know |
| 11:15.28 | dutchfish | petemc, the docs i found are pretty old i gues |
| 11:15.33 | hugh_SH | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.48 | dutchfish | petchema, sorry |
| 11:15.55 | petemc | hugh_SH: rm -r is fine |
| 11:16.00 | heyuxiang | linux doesn't bring money ... |
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| 11:16.21 | dutchfish | heyuxiang, i cant complain :) |
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| 11:17.30 | hugh_SH | petemc: tks, then is there any differences between rm -r and rm -rf? to my experience, it's the same. |
| 11:18.07 | petemc | hugh_SH: -f is a hangover from when rm used to question your desire to recursively delete |
| 11:18.36 | petemc | you dont need it now |
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| 11:20.03 | hugh_SH | thank you petemc. but, if you won't mind, i need more explanation. thanks in advance. |
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| 11:20.48 | petemc | feel free to google as much information as your require |
| 11:20.56 | dutchfish | petemc, maybe this, do i start vanilla do the rtc patch and then manually patch with debian paches? |
| 11:20.56 | petemc | s/our/ou/ |
| 11:21.12 | petemc | dutchfish: i guess you could, its not something ive done |
| 11:21.23 | thumbnail | guys, is it possible to do a net installation using a wireless card? |
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| 11:22.25 | dutchfish | thumbnail, i just pulled that one off with latest lenny net install 2 days ago and intel wireless card driver i manually loaded |
| 11:23.00 | thumbnail | dutchfish: cool, how do you get the installer to use wlan rather than eth0? |
| 11:23.07 | dutchfish | thumbnail, however wpa2 didnt work so i went down to wep 64 |
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| 11:23.29 | dutchfish | thumbnail, a driver disk |
| 11:23.50 | dutchfish | thumbnail, but some cards dont need that |
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| 11:24.18 | thumbnail | I know my card uses the ath9k driver but I'm not sure if Lenny supports it |
| 11:24.20 | dutchfish | thumbnail, i had a laptop ones wich was recongnized standard |
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| 11:24.51 | thumbnail | is there any documentation online? |
| 11:24.53 | dutchfish | thumbnail, you are a try away with a net-install cd of your choice :) |
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| 11:25.29 | thumbnail | dutchfish: unfortunately I don't have access to a cd burner but I've prepared a usb stick with the lenny ISO |
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| 11:26.07 | Nyha | how come that ubuntu can do a s2ram and work right after when debian cant? |
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| 11:28.30 | dutchfish | thumbnail, there is a new althernativ ecoming up also: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/WebInstaller |
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| 11:29.04 | dutchfish | thumbnail, dont know how ready it is |
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| 11:29.53 | themill | Nyha: my laptop(s) do that quite nicely running debian and have done for many years |
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| 11:31.46 | oxi | hi |
| 11:32.01 | oxi | which iso should I take for installation in VMware? |
| 11:32.29 | oxi | I'd like to install a minimal debian in VMware and add openvz |
| 11:32.35 | thumbnail | dutchfish: cool, I'm currently attempting to use the 'expert install' option from the usb drive |
| 11:32.48 | thumbnail | never done this before so it should be interesting |
| 11:33.18 | dutchfish | oxi, i dont konw about those but i install in xen and kvm with standard net-install of my liking ie 32 or 64 bit depending on my needs |
| 11:33.36 | Nyha | themill: well this is a eeepc 901 and With ubuntu it works perfect (at least from a quick install and test) but gentoo did not work so I decided to try debian. and it sleeps okey but I can't get it back from the dead... |
| 11:34.15 | oxi | dutchfish: great, thanks for your suggestion. I'll take http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso then. |
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| 11:34.50 | dutchfish | oxi, xen has templates maybe there are also for your virtual solution |
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| 11:35.18 | dutchfish | oxi, on kvm you dont need templates, so much esier |
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| 11:36.48 | themill | Nyha: ahh... you might like to mention that you're using a machine that is known to have strange hardware that is not fully supported by anything yet... Also, are you trying with etch or lenny? |
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| 11:39.04 | Nyha | themill: lenny |
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| 11:39.30 | Nyha | themill: but I'd like to have a newer kernel.. |
| 11:39.51 | rmrfchik | how can I generate uuid/guid |
| 11:39.57 | rmrfchik | in command line |
| 11:39.57 | themill | Nyha: You'll do better off asking in the eeepc-specific channel about this machine. /msg dpkg eeepc |
| 11:40.41 | Nyha | themill: I come from 5 years of gentoo and now, my first ever run on debian... and I'm a bit lost with apt-get |
| 11:42.37 | Silicium | how i can add a second repo pubkey? |
| 11:42.39 | Silicium | like apt-key add |
| 11:42.41 | Silicium | but in preseed |
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| 11:43.07 | craigevil | Nyha: 901 should work just fine did you look at the debianeeepc wiki? |
| 11:43.30 | Nyha | craigevil: yes I did... |
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| 11:44.06 | liable | Silicium: something like .. echo "d-i apt-setup/local0/key string fookey.asc" >> ../../../tmp/preseed.cfg |
| 11:44.26 | liable | Silicium: its mentioned in the preseed appendix of the d-i manual iirc |
| 11:44.58 | craigevil | Nyha: you can always try a kernel from sid, or do like I do and use a sidux kernel |
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| 11:45.21 | dutchfish | wow, they even have wpa now : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/WPAInstaller-Beta |
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| 11:46.09 | liable | that link is old |
| 11:46.22 | dutchfish | liable, sure, but i didnt know |
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| 11:46.26 | liable | its standard in the eeepc installer now |
| 11:46.29 | liable | :) |
| 11:46.35 | dutchfish | i am impressed |
| 11:47.34 | liable | wish the d-i team was as impressed.. they canned the patches :( |
| 11:47.41 | liable | for lenny anyway |
| 11:47.50 | dutchfish | liable, oh really? sigh ... |
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| 11:48.28 | dutchfish | liable, ye i know |
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| 11:54.35 | Loady | hi. does anyone know of a syslog daemon that will allow me to send logs to a remote host on a diffrent port than 514/udp? |
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| 11:55.32 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 11:57.09 | unseensoul | Is there any support for card readers (ie. mmc) under debian? |
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| 12:00.31 | tralala | unseensoul, yes |
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| 12:01.53 | unseensoul | tralala, could you tell me? |
| 12:02.13 | unseensoul | I've been struggling with this for a long time |
| 12:02.23 | unseensoul | I can't get it to work on my laptop |
| 12:02.28 | rmrfchik | just plug card reader in |
| 12:02.42 | rmrfchik | unseensoul: look into 'dmesg' |
| 12:02.55 | unseensoul | I did that tons of times |
| 12:03.06 | unseensoul | it isn't recognised |
| 12:03.10 | tralala | unseensoul, which debian do you run? |
| 12:03.20 | rmrfchik | run as root 'lsusb -v' and examine output. |
| 12:03.44 | unseensoul | rmrfchik it isn't an usb device |
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| 12:04.01 | rmrfchik | unseensoul: ah... ata? |
| 12:04.03 | unseensoul | it's a card reader pci device or something |
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| 12:04.21 | rmrfchik | what says lspci? |
| 12:04.21 | omakase | has anyone successfully installed python libxml2 for py2.5 on debian etch? |
| 12:04.21 | unseensoul | tralala I've always used testing |
| 12:04.47 | tralala | !laptops |
| 12:04.48 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. <netbook> |
| 12:04.59 | unseensoul | rmrfchik it recognises the card reader but I cannot tell you exactly what as I'm not in my computer at the moment |
| 12:05.16 | tralala | have you searched the above pages for solution? |
| 12:05.28 | rmrfchik | unseensoul: can't help, sorry. only deals with usb readers |
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| 12:06.05 | unseensoul | tralala I'm afraid I have :/ |
| 12:06.23 | unseensoul | rmrfchik no worries, thanks for your help anyway ;) |
| 12:06.53 | tralala | no need to be afraid. So did other people have problem with the reader? |
| 12:07.21 | unseensoul | lol |
| 12:07.38 | unseensoul | I think there are a lot of people with the same problem |
| 12:08.15 | unseensoul | As far as I know it should be well supported since kernel 2.6.2X I think |
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| 12:26.56 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:26.56 | dpkg | methinks qotd196 is * Guerin was enough drunks last night |
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| 12:27.03 | ^shark_ | how does one remove space between multple lines of text in a .txt file |
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| 12:27.37 | hov_ | can i use mount -oremount on the root (/ ) partition? |
| 12:28.11 | thumbnail | ^shark_: s/^\s*$//; i think |
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| 12:28.29 | thumbnail | or |
| 12:28.35 | Silicium | hov_: yea |
| 12:28.39 | thumbnail | ^shark_: s/^\n$//; |
| 12:28.49 | Silicium | hov_: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 12:28.55 | Silicium | or ro |
| 12:28.59 | Silicium | or whatever :D |
| 12:29.00 | thumbnail | something along those lines |
| 12:29.36 | hov_ | Silicium: no reboot ? |
| 12:29.42 | Silicium | no reboot :) |
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| 12:29.58 | hov_ | Silicium: im having trouble realizing how this is possible because the fs gets remounted |
| 12:30.07 | Silicium | try demesg |
| 12:30.09 | hov_ | i mean how does it retain its state |
| 12:30.17 | Silicium | maybe the fs is b0rked? |
| 12:30.19 | hov_ | Silicium: have you tried it? nothing happens? |
| 12:30.33 | hov_ | Silicium: no i mean im afraid to try it |
| 12:30.36 | Silicium | i use that everytime on my embedded machines |
| 12:30.39 | Silicium | it works fine |
| 12:31.04 | Silicium | the fs is not really remounted with loss of data and no availability |
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| 12:31.14 | Silicium | the fs only change the mount option imho |
| 12:31.25 | Silicium | so i neve had problems |
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| 12:31.59 | hov_ | Silicium: and im dropped back to my shell after an instance you mean? |
| 12:32.39 | Silicium | what do you mean wit "instance" ? |
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| 12:32.57 | Silicium | all my embedded systems are mounted as RO |
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| 12:33.07 | Silicium | if a do any change i remound,rw'ing |
| 12:33.16 | Silicium | change, and then remound,ro again |
| 12:33.17 | hov_ | i mean i type the command |
| 12:33.24 | hov_ | and instantly im back with new options? |
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| 12:33.49 | zzz | Hi! How can i set the default key layout on ttys, i mean on console? |
| 12:34.07 | Silicium | back with new options? |
| 12:34.22 | simonrvn | remount |
| 12:34.31 | hov_ | Silicium: like rw |
| 12:34.45 | Silicium | i dont understand the problem :D |
| 12:35.05 | Silicium | thats acutally really simple |
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| 12:35.10 | Silicium | remount,rw for read/write |
| 12:35.15 | Silicium | remount,ro for readonly |
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| 12:49.26 | Zambezi | I got really, really surprised. I have Lenny, an old GF2-card with default drivers with 15"-monitor. I got my 23" monitor today so I had to change the graphiccard to three year old ATI Radeon. I backuped everything incase X-reconfigure went bad, but to my surprise, I didn't need to reconfigure X. And full resolution on the monitor too. |
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| 12:57.09 | pumpkin | i have a problem with jnettop on debian 4.0 ARM. It shows lots of short lived connections connections with a wrong local IP and a strange remote IP. But the overall transfer is about right. Any ideas ? |
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| 13:02.20 | petemc | pumpkin: what ips? not anything like multicast? |
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| 13:03.25 | pumpkin | the real IP is 192.168.1.77 and jnettop shows 192.168.137.12. I think it's a simple endianness problem. |
| 13:04.02 | pumpkin | petemc, ^^ |
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| 13:05.40 | jelly | pumpkin: does iptraf, run in parallel, show correct data? |
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| 13:07.13 | pumpkin | jelly, iptraf shows both ips... and the correct sum. |
| 13:07.52 | enouf | hrm ... |
| 13:07.59 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.07 | oxi | I wonder: what's the better option for an ESX cluster at university: |
| 13:08.14 | oxi | Should I install debian in several vm's for different purposes (scm, webserver, email, ...) or should I install debian in one vm and create several vserver using openvz? |
| 13:08.57 | pumpkin | jelly, petemc, enouf: so something added an ip to the system i don't know off? |
| 13:09.02 | oxi | what works better for maintainability, performance, stability, flexibility? |
| 13:09.07 | enouf | oxi: afaict, vserver is entirely different than openvz .. do you want shared memory? |
| 13:09.32 | enouf | oxi: unless you mean vserver, as in generic virtual server, i suppose |
| 13:09.49 | oxi | enouf: yep, I mean as a generic virtual server |
| 13:10.01 | DGnome | oxi: I'd go for several vm:s, depending on loads and purposes |
| 13:10.24 | oxi | enouf: I wonder if it's good practice to set up several vm's or one vm containing serveral vservers |
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| 13:10.36 | enouf | oxi: well, as just mentioned, each server within it's own vm env allows for more fine-grained control |
| 13:10.52 | sep | vmware,vserver,openvz,virtualbox,xen,kvm,...,...,... it's a increasingly more complex picture |
| 13:11.01 | enouf | touche |
| 13:11.11 | enouf | s/e/é |
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| 13:11.41 | cast|lir | vserver||openvz are the go for performance, |
| 13:11.45 | oxi | okay, I see. Thanks for your suggestions. |
| 13:11.56 | enouf | not to mention, s/he mentioned ESX which is the proprietary VMWarez thing |
| 13:11.59 | enouf | no? |
| 13:11.59 | sep | oxi, i have used vmware a bit, but i am not 100% happy with the io overhead currently i only use them for windows guests |
| 13:12.35 | oxi | cast: I'm forced to use an ESX cluster |
| 13:12.36 | enouf | pumpkin: i don't know :-/ |
| 13:12.42 | sep | i use vserver a bit but there are other limitations there that you might not be aware of. they are not realy virtual machines as you expect from vmware |
| 13:13.09 | sep | not too familiar with openvz |
| 13:13.23 | jelly | pumpkin: possible. running any sort of virtualization in there? |
| 13:13.27 | cast|lir | openvz is also OS level virtualization, like vserver |
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| 13:14.08 | pumpkin | jelly, no. It's a 16MB RAM, 133MHz NAS. I think i would notice a VM running in there... |
| 13:14.15 | enouf | oxi: as sep just mentioned, linux's 'vserver' (which has debian kernel versions as well) uses shared memory for virtualization, so isolation might be an issue - that's on difference between vserver and the others mentioned |
| 13:14.31 | enouf | s/on/one |
| 13:14.35 | oxi | The infrastructure is already there and they want me to use it for testing boxes. However, I was wondering if it would be good practice to set up one debian vm with a few vservers on openvz, because I have to contact the admin of the esx everytime I want to make changes to any vm. And in this case I could just admin my vservers withing the debian running on one vm. |
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| 13:14.47 | enouf | we left out UML as well :-P |
| 13:15.33 | sep | oxi, if you can get a large enough vmware vm yes absolutly. just check that the applications you plan to run does not conflict with vserver. |
| 13:16.04 | enouf | oxi: you should stop using vserver in the generic sense - avoid confusion ;-) |
| 13:16.09 | jelly | pumpkin: is it also doubling as a router? :-) |
| 13:16.10 | oxi | sep: I'm aware, that vservers are not virtual machines and that they use a shared kernel. I'm not yet aware of any limitations though |
| 13:16.19 | enouf | oxi: say a vm, or similar :-) |
| 13:17.19 | sep | http://linux-vserver.org/Problematic_Programs |
| 13:17.33 | pumpkin | jelly, low power remote storage. I access my local stuff via internet over sshfs. The ssh-port has been moved and login via passwords is disabled. |
| 13:17.44 | sep | oxi, if you mean openvz vm's it does not apply tho :) |
| 13:18.21 | enouf | heh |
| 13:18.26 | pumpkin | jelly, it's not supposed to route anything anywhere... |
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| 13:19.39 | oxi | enouf: right, what term should I refer to in the generic sense? VE's? (for virtual environment?) |
| 13:19.58 | enouf | oxi: 'vm' seems to work ;-) |
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| 13:20.19 | sep | and not to mention that many of the virtualization tools have foss and propritary versions :/ |
| 13:20.33 | enouf | aye |
| 13:21.18 | enouf | oxi: if the CPUs can handle ..oh wait, esx is already king of the cluster (i was going to suggest 'kvm', but oh well) |
| 13:21.41 | oxi | nice, then I'll give it a try |
| 13:23.15 | ForsakenSoul | hey guys how do I uninstall something I've compiled myself ? |
| 13:23.22 | ForsakenSoul | for example rubygems |
| 13:23.22 | ForsakenSoul | ? |
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| 13:24.18 | cast|lir | ForsakenSoul: well, having installed it using stow, you'd do stow -D |
| 13:24.21 | cast|lir | hides |
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| 13:24.49 | ForsakenSoul | cast|lir: ... hmm I used make |
| 13:25.01 | ForsakenSoul | I mean .... what is stow :D |
| 13:25.12 | cast|lir | make uninstall may work |
| 13:25.16 | oxi | oh well, I have some further questions about virtualization |
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| 13:25.43 | cast|lir | otherwise, you'll have to hunt down the files it installed yourself. stow is something that solves the problem you've hit |
| 13:25.53 | oxi | I bought a cheap "vserver" account (I'm using the term "vserver" here because hosting company's use it often) |
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| 13:26.17 | cast|lir | if you've only make installed one thing, then it'll probably be the only thing in /usr/local/*, so you could just wipe out there |
| 13:26.21 | oxi | Now I'd like to set up a local testing environment that is almost similar |
| 13:26.26 | Iphone4free | some1 wants unlocked iphone for low? http://gratis-geschenke.info/id-12312030 |
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| 13:27.22 | cast|lir | vserver refers to a specific technology, really, dont say vserver unless you mean it :P, rather say "xen||UML||vmware...etc.. instance" |
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| 13:28.14 | oxi | I wonder if I should just install debian in a vm and try to use the same configuration or if I should install a virtualization software like openvz and try to config it the same way as my purchased "vserver" account or if I should even try to clone my "vserver" account to openvz running in a vm? |
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| 13:29.14 | oxi | the hosting company where I bought a "vserver" account is using debian and openvz |
| 13:29.22 | cast|lir | vserver and openvz are two [from my view] competing projects, why would you use openvz if you're trying to clone a vserver setup -_- |
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| 13:30.24 | oxi | cast: sorry, here I was referring to an account with the term "vserver" because all hosting companys use that term. I was not referring to the linux-vserver project. |
| 13:31.29 | ForsakenSoul | ok guys how do I make a search of the files in the system |
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| 13:32.15 | enouf | !find faq |
| 13:32.22 | enouf | ... |
| 13:32.48 | liable | cant find! |
| 13:33.07 | oxi | however, I wonder if I should try to run a snapshot of my hosting account openvz instance in a local openvz installation in a vm with similar specs or if I should rather install debian in a vm and try to configure it similar to my hosting openvz debian instance? |
| 13:33.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'faq' (8 of 71): (/usr/bin/faqpods) in utils/pmtools ;; (/usr/bin/post_faq) in news/post-faq ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/frox-faq) in net/frox ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/mclfaq) in doc/mcl-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/irssi-faq) in net/irssi ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/faq-vrrpd) in net/vrrpd ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/xterm-faq) in x11/xterm ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/lokifaq) in doc/loki-doc. |
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| 13:34.10 | enouf | o m g - i just realized what i asked of dpkg :-P |
| 13:34.28 | enouf | !bash faq |
| 13:34.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 13:34.47 | enouf | aha |
| 13:34.51 | enouf | !using find |
| 13:34.51 | dpkg | [using find] http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
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| 13:36.32 | enouf | oxi: just to make things even more confusing - AFAICT, there are also two separate 'linux vserver' projects (one might be dead, one might be named linux-vserver, etc etc) |
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| 13:41.07 | aronofsky | hi guys, off topic question but i dont know where to ask for that so i try here : i need to find the IP range associated to some countries : andorra for exemple, i cant find it anywhere, do you have an idea where i coul look for it ? |
| 13:41.07 | enouf | oxi: so .. tell your hosting company to get with the times and use the term VPS as most normal people do :-P |
| 13:41.32 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.36 | enouf | yep |
| 13:42.13 | pumpkin | aronofsky, there is no 1:1 mapping, so the results are usually guesswork. But geoip is getting pretty damn close. |
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| 13:43.21 | helo | for some reason, my raid 1 device isnt started when init tries to mount it, but it is once i have logged in |
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| 13:43.52 | helo | it worked fine for weeks |
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| 13:44.01 | helo | i didn't change config... maybe did a safe-upgrade |
| 13:44.23 | enouf | helo: error messages? |
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| 13:44.34 | enouf | helo: see /etc/default/mdadm |
| 13:44.47 | juanchoz | hi |
| 13:45.02 | juanchoz | I've a problem I couldn't solve by reading man of chmod&&chown |
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| 13:45.25 | helo | juanchoz: don't we all heh |
| 13:45.54 | juanchoz | helo: 250 OK |
| 13:45.55 | juanchoz | :) |
| 13:46.44 | Eulex | juanchoz, ehlo |
| 13:47.01 | juanchoz | I need a directory to have permissions in the way that all files written there get the same user *AND* group of this directory |
| 13:47.13 | enouf | try ACLs |
| 13:47.35 | juanchoz | I used +s but It just respects user OR group |
| 13:47.38 | juanchoz | not both :( |
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| 13:48.39 | juanchoz | enouf: I'm trying to avoid ACLs at all cost |
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| 13:49.06 | juanchoz | I mean, it couldn't be that difficult with regular unix permissions, could it ? |
| 13:49.46 | PinkFreud | juanchoz: +s only supports setting group. The user ownership is determined by whomever created a file. |
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| 13:50.30 | juanchoz | PinkFreud: Uhm |
| 13:51.21 | PinkFreud | juanchoz: If you're trying to make sure that one or more users has full control over these files, use umask to ensure that they're writable by the group in question. |
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| 13:52.18 | enouf | do 'help umask' - but i suspect you'll be needing acls ( http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/applying-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-within-a-specific-folder-605129/ ) for example |
| 13:53.22 | PinkFreud | juanchoz: Otherwise, enouf has your answer. :P |
| 13:53.22 | oxi | enouf: Thanks! I'll refer to the term VPS in future. |
| 13:54.11 | juanchoz | PinkFreud: enouf: Thanks. Going to check that. |
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| 13:57.57 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 13:58.12 | aprendiz001 | I have an error in this expression: sed -r 's/\[youtube\](*)\[\/youtube\]/\1/g' prueba > prueba2 |
| 13:58.24 | aprendiz001 | I don't know why |
| 13:58.49 | aprendiz001 | the * is bad? |
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| 14:00.16 | joao | hi |
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| 14:00.30 | joao | i've just installed debian etch |
| 14:00.46 | tralala | welcome to the family! |
| 14:00.53 | joao | how do i install i18n packages for gnome? |
| 14:01.07 | tralala | joao, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:01.12 | joao | i would like to have my desktop in portuguese |
| 14:01.34 | Rich333 | shouldn't the failure to include the scintilla editor in the current anjuta be a release critical bug? it seems that it's being completely ignored by the maintainer... it's available upstream, it's been in anjuta for years and long predates the gtksourceview option, and if there's some bug in it that would hold up release then that should be patched rather than excluding scintilla altogether (excluding half the program without a name change |
| 14:01.34 | Rich333 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.41 | joao | i have searched the package database, but the i18n packages are for kde |
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| 14:02.37 | tralala | Rich333, talk to the maintainer |
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| 14:05.38 | joao | tralala, i cant find any gnome i18n packages with that command... |
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| 14:06.45 | tralala | joao, perhaps they aren't separate packages. Is your locale set? |
| 14:06.56 | joao | oh |
| 14:06.57 | joao | right |
| 14:07.03 | joao | clean forgot about that... |
| 14:07.05 | joao | :s |
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| 14:07.38 | aprendiz001 | anyone have idea about regexp? |
| 14:08.31 | aprendiz001 | I have the string helloname and I want to replace with name |
| 14:08.57 | aprendiz001 | so sed -r 's/hello(*)/\1/g' |
| 14:09.00 | joao | sed? |
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| 14:09.11 | aprendiz001 | but is wrong |
| 14:09.18 | aprendiz001 | I think the * is the problem |
| 14:09.26 | joao | sed 's/helloname/name/g' |
| 14:09.28 | tralala | .* and maybe the braces need to be escaped |
| 14:09.32 | joao | might that work? |
| 14:09.53 | aprendiz001 | joao, the name is variable |
| 14:09.56 | aprendiz001 | so the * |
| 14:09.57 | tralala | and when you do that you will replace it with itself |
| 14:09.58 | alcohol | How can I easily copy a file (file.ext) from folder x, to x/anysub/knownsubname/file.ext |
| 14:10.09 | alcohol | cp file.ext */subname/file.ext |
| 14:10.10 | alcohol | fails |
| 14:10.10 | alcohol | :< |
| 14:10.18 | alcohol | For obvious reasons |
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| 14:10.33 | tralala | aprendiz001, sed "s/hello${var}/${othervar}/" |
| 14:10.37 | RichiH | how can i read out the unique hdd IDs, again? |
| 14:11.02 | aprendiz001 | tralala, what is var? |
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| 14:11.13 | tralala | your variable |
| 14:11.56 | aprendiz001 | sed 's/hello${var}/${var/'? |
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| 14:12.25 | aprendiz001 | tralala, |
| 14:12.37 | tralala | no |
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| 14:14.25 | aprendiz001 | tralala, how? I read about (pattern) and \1 to call that pattern |
| 14:15.09 | abrotman | aprendiz001: ask #sed ? |
| 14:15.09 | tralala | !sed howto |
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| 14:15.23 | aprendiz001 | thanks |
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| 14:15.48 | alcohol | guessing nobody can help me? |
| 14:15.49 | Welshman | Hi |
| 14:16.10 | Welshman | is there a meaning to the word 'Debian' ? |
| 14:16.30 | Welshman | it just crossed my mind |
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| 14:16.46 | PinkFreud | alcohol: use a for loop? |
| 14:17.07 | alcohol | how? |
| 14:17.11 | stew | Welshman: its a contraction of the guy's name who started it "Ian" and his wife's "Debbie" |
| 14:17.22 | Welshman | thank you |
| 14:17.25 | PinkFreud | for directory in x y z; do cp -av ${directory}/file ${directory}/anysub/knownsubname/; done |
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| 14:18.26 | joa1 | back... |
| 14:18.35 | joa1 | well changing the locale didnt work.... |
| 14:19.00 | joa1 | arent there any language packs for gnome that need to be installed? |
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| 14:19.58 | liable | dont you just set it in some gnome menu? or xorg.conf? |
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| 14:21.49 | joa1 | locale -a only shows a handfull of locales, none of which are portuguese |
| 14:21.55 | joa1 | how can i install more? |
| 14:22.33 | helo | locales: |
| 14:22.35 | helo | dpkg: locales |
| 14:22.36 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 14:23.25 | limpio | hi, i haven't compiled a kernel in a while, i remember installing initrd-tools among others, but now apt-get tells it can't find the package. Is it not needed anymore? i'm using sid, thx |
| 14:24.26 | joa1 | yep, that seems to work |
| 14:24.29 | joa1 | thanks |
| 14:26.01 | \amethyst | limpio: it's now mkinitramfs, from the package initramfs-tools |
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| 14:26.30 | limpio | \amethyst, thank you |
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| 14:29.53 | adub | what are some cool web applications i can stick on my apache server currently i have base, twiki, and zoneminder installed???? |
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| 14:30.46 | tarzeau | adub: roundcube |
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| 14:31.16 | tarzeau | adub: smokeping, mrtg, webalizer? well not really apps |
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| 14:31.46 | adub | tarzeau what is roundcube |
| 14:31.50 | tarzeau | adub: mail app |
| 14:32.06 | adub | nice |
| 14:32.09 | adub | that is cool |
| 14:32.15 | adub | i do have a domain setup too |
| 14:32.19 | adub | through dyndns |
| 14:32.32 | tarzeau | cool i used to have that too |
| 14:32.37 | adub | ya |
| 14:32.39 | tarzeau | adub: i also run a bub-n-bros and sauerbraten server |
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| 14:32.52 | adub | what are those |
| 14:32.56 | tarzeau | games |
| 14:33.16 | adub | oh |
| 14:33.18 | adub | what kind of games |
| 14:33.25 | alcohol | what is the difference between libgd2-xpm and -noxpm? |
| 14:33.58 | adub | oh i just checked that out |
| 14:34.17 | adub | do you know with round cube if i could utilize my dyndns domain name to send and receive emails? |
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| 14:35.52 | Eulex | adub, only if dyndns provides the ability for you to setup MX records |
| 14:36.03 | H2S04 | Eulex, it does. |
| 14:36.06 | Eulex | ... as with all MTAs |
| 14:36.17 | Eulex | adub, ok, just go ahead then |
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| 14:36.47 | H2S04 | Eulex, you have to enable it, it's not enabled by default. |
| 14:36.54 | kaduk | Hi |
| 14:37.09 | kaduk | When debian will come out with latest xorg 1.5.99.2 ? |
| 14:37.16 | H2S04 | kaduk, when it's done. |
| 14:37.50 | kaduk | H2S04, when it will be done? |
| 14:38.07 | H2S04 | kaduk, When it is done. |
| 14:38.30 | Eulex | kaduk, I'd say that it's very unlikely that any debian stable is released with a beta xorg server |
| 14:38.53 | H2S04 | Eulex, doesn't mean it won't be in testing or unstable :P |
| 14:39.14 | Eulex | H2S04, true |
| 14:39.40 | Eulex | unstable might be a possibility, but testing would be unlikely |
| 14:39.42 | H2S04 | My unstable box has 1.4 |
| 14:40.07 | Eulex | right |
| 14:40.08 | kaduk | H2S04, my 1.5.3 |
| 14:40.19 | Eulex | kaduk, because you got that one from experimental |
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| 14:40.41 | kaduk | Eulex, I had to, because I am using intel driver |
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| 14:40.58 | H2S04 | kaduk, you could always make your own package. |
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| 14:41.21 | kaduk | H2S04, with 1.5.x series that would not be a problem |
| 14:41.27 | amphi | kaduk: what card do you have? |
| 14:41.28 | H2S04 | then do it. |
| 14:41.43 | kaduk | H2S04, with 1.6 when dri2 comes out there is a problem, because a lot of new stuff is introduced |
| 14:41.53 | adub | oh i installed the application |
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| 14:42.35 | adub | eulex you still around |
| 14:42.46 | Eulex | adub, yes. |
| 14:43.07 | adub | have you setup roundcube before? |
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| 14:43.13 | Eulex | no |
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| 14:44.33 | adub | oh |
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| 14:45.51 | Symbi0nt | I have an domain on my server, but I use googlemail als mail agent. All Mails with @domain.de are not forwarded to google. Has someone an idea what to set correctly to do so .. |
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| 14:46.53 | Welshman | A thank you to Ian Murdock for the soundest server there is :) |
| 14:47.10 | Welshman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock |
| 14:47.31 | Welshman | black eyed programmer lol |
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| 14:48.49 | Welshman | wiki always scavinng for cash heh |
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| 14:48.54 | Welshman | -n |
| 14:49.05 | pivot_ | I'd need to copy my bootloader from sda over to sdb - what command shall i use for this? dd? and if yes, how exactly....? searching the net for this is pretty hard |
| 14:49.27 | Welshman | he works for Sun? |
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| 14:49.41 | Welshman | the mind googles lol |
| 14:49.55 | Welshman | boggles I mean :) |
| 14:50.19 | stew | Welshman: yes, he works for sun, he hasn't been involved in debian for a long time, he left the project well over 10 years ago |
| 14:50.52 | Welshman | wow, thats really interesting |
| 14:51.09 | adub | tarzeau are you still around? |
| 14:51.14 | Welshman | you learn something every day heh! |
| 14:51.17 | lazyfrosch | pivot_: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 ... should work, but it would be better to just reinstall it via lilo or grub |
| 14:51.46 | lazyfrosch | pivot_: but I'm not sure, maybe this wipes something else too |
| 14:51.55 | Welshman | whats alan cox doing these days, still with red hat? |
| 14:52.01 | pivot_ | yes, the partition table |
| 14:52.05 | lazyfrosch | :-) |
| 14:52.20 | pivot_ | but true, thanks for the hint for using lilo/grub, haven't thought about that |
| 14:52.35 | lazyfrosch | pivot_: :-D |
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| 14:52.48 | Welshman | Solaris is cool but they dont care about bundling network drivers with the os, they are crazy |
| 14:53.04 | Welshman | install the os then no net, whats the point |
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| 14:53.11 | Bak3y | anyone here familiar with debian on power pc? |
| 14:53.19 | Welshman | not me |
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| 14:53.44 | stew | Bak3y: just go ahead and ask your question, or ask in #debianppc |
| 14:53.55 | stew | Welshman: try #debian-offtopic or #defocus for social chat |
| 14:54.03 | Welshman | ppc is a bit old I think |
| 14:54.11 | Welshman | or is it? |
| 14:54.13 | Bak3y | stew: already asked in #debianppc, no one's home |
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| 14:54.41 | pumpkin | Bak3y, just ask and hope. |
| 14:54.42 | Bak3y | I've got an old IBM Powerserver 360 and I'm not sure about it's chip architecture |
| 14:55.12 | Welshman | man I know nothing |
| 14:55.20 | Welshman | I thought ppc was an old mac |
| 14:56.05 | pumpkin | Bak3y, that's a 50MHz Power 1. |
| 14:56.18 | Bak3y | so it is a power chip |
| 14:56.23 | Welshman | Bak3y sure you can install some software to find out exactly what your machine is |
| 14:56.34 | pumpkin | Bak3y, yes, but a really old one. |
| 14:56.51 | Bak3y | welshman - this box is an old AIX machine and no one here at work knows the root password anymore |
| 14:57.00 | Bak3y | we need to extract the data from it and shut it down |
| 14:57.07 | Welshman | what you using it for? |
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| 14:57.14 | Bak3y | basically I need something to boot from so I can mount the disks and edit /etc/passwd |
| 14:57.25 | Bak3y | it's got old AR and medical record info on it |
| 14:57.53 | Welshman | try supergrub for starters, or am I well off track? |
| 14:57.57 | Eulex | Bak3y, #aix? |
| 14:58.16 | pumpkin | Bak3y, you can try the ppc debian install CD. But i have doubts ... |
| 14:58.32 | Bak3y | Eulex - how else can I get the root password reset? |
| 14:58.45 | Bak3y | pumpkin - thanks, I have doubts too...we may be up the creek here |
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| 14:58.51 | Eulex | Bak3y, I don't know, I don't know AIX. they do :) |
| 14:59.12 | Welshman | always an answer, just dont give up |
| 14:59.13 | pumpkin | Bak3y, what kind of disks does it use? normal SCSI? |
| 14:59.22 | Bak3y | pumpkin - I believe so |
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| 14:59.37 | Bak3y | basically this is a big shot in the dark |
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| 14:59.50 | Welshman | back it up to begin with :) |
| 15:00.00 | pumpkin | Bak3y, cause connecting the disks to another, normal PC may be the faster way out... |
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| 15:00.17 | Bak3y | hmm, hadn't thought of that |
| 15:00.27 | Bak3y | not sure about the connectors on those disks though |
| 15:00.47 | Bak3y | brb, meeting |
| 15:00.49 | pumpkin | Bak3y, and reading AIX partitioned disks is another _nice_ problem. |
| 15:02.07 | kaduk | amphi, GM965 |
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| 15:02.30 | zzz | Hi! How can i change the default keyboard layout on console in debian? |
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| 15:02.53 | amphi | kaduk: I have such a card; it works fine with the xorg in testing |
| 15:03.12 | kaduk | amphi, OpenGL version ? |
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| 15:03.18 | kaduk | amphi, 1.4 ? |
| 15:03.19 | MadHag | sorry |
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| 15:03.34 | amphi | kaduk: whatever is in testing |
| 15:03.37 | joakim | Good evening |
| 15:03.38 | kaduk | amphi, here 2.1 also works fine |
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| 15:04.19 | joakim | does anybody know if theres any problems with the http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/ I can nor reach it... ? |
| 15:04.27 | pumpkin | somethings eating my RAM. How do i check the amount of RAM allocated by a process/pid? |
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| 15:04.37 | kaduk | pumpkin, I have |
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| 15:04.50 | pumpkin | kaduk, ? |
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| 15:05.36 | tarzeau | adub: yes? |
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| 15:05.45 | adub | sorry to bother man |
| 15:05.46 | Octalot | pumpkin: top or htop, then sort by resident size |
| 15:05.52 | tarzeau | adub: not me, but a collegue |
| 15:05.53 | adub | do you think this application would work with dyndns |
| 15:06.01 | tarzeau | adub: sure, why should it not? |
| 15:06.16 | adub | i dont know what to look for |
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| 15:06.23 | adub | in how to setup my MX for this |
| 15:06.38 | adub | also is the index.php the file for the web server |
| 15:06.38 | pumpkin | Octalot, that includes VRAM for Xorg? |
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| 15:07.40 | Octalot | I think so - XOrg's memory stats are known for being weird. |
| 15:08.20 | pumpkin | Octalot, oh, found it. Flash ... |
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| 15:09.49 | abracadabra_ | hello |
| 15:09.59 | abracadabra_ | how can i know what's the time of my linux shell server? |
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| 15:10.39 | GoldElite | abracadabra_: You mean "date"? |
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| 15:10.55 | abracadabra_ | oh cool |
| 15:10.57 | abracadabra_ | ;D |
| 15:10.57 | GoldElite | Does anyone remember the command for launching the bluetooth receiver daemon? I'm pretty sure I've lost the menu icon... |
| 15:10.59 | abracadabra_ | thanks GoldElite! |
| 15:11.08 | adub | tarzeau i dont know where to get the mx data from dyndns |
| 15:11.09 | GoldElite | abracadabra_: No problems :) |
| 15:11.36 | tarzeau | adub: you can set it in there... |
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| 15:12.53 | adub | how do i get a setup menu sorry im new to roundcube thanks for tellin gme about it i was able to apt-get install it in |
| 15:13.03 | adub | im assuming index.php is the main file |
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| 15:15.19 | pivot_ | for grub, root (hd0,1) means disk 0 and partition 1, true? |
| 15:16.16 | Eulex | pivot_, yes |
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| 15:16.43 | amphi | pivot_: that's what grub calls sda2 (or hda2) |
| 15:17.57 | pivot_ | heh |
| 15:17.59 | pivot_ | sda2? |
| 15:18.15 | pivot_ | you mean sda1? |
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| 15:20.03 | pivot_ | it's about this: i want to change the bootloader from sda to sdb, now menu.lst has (hd0,1) and for sdb i'd have to change it to (hd1,1) and execute grub-install /dev/sdb, true? |
| 15:20.05 | amphi | sda1 would be (hd0,0) |
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| 15:20.35 | amphi | sdb is (hd1) |
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| 15:24.39 | Zambezi | I use Awesome, in Lenny it's 2.3.3, same as Sid, 3.0 is in exprimental. But the major changes is in the latest RC of Awesome which should go sharp soon. Aweone know how long it could take after sharp release latest Awesome will arrive in the repos for Lenny? Cause the devs for Awesome calls 2.3.3 for ancient. |
| 15:25.45 | Eulex | Zambezi, it will very likely never go into lenny |
| 15:25.47 | stew | Zambezi: lenny is frozen, so it would not get a new version of awesome |
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| 15:26.07 | stew | Zambezi: and because of this freeze it probably wont go into sid until after lenny is released |
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| 15:26.48 | pivot_ | amphi: so setting this as described to (hd1,1) is correct ..? |
| 15:26.49 | E-bola | whats the utility called that can handle lvm,raid, partioning etc |
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| 15:26.52 | E-bola | e... something |
| 15:27.16 | stoned | there isn't just one |
| 15:27.24 | cast | the installer? :) |
| 15:27.31 | cast | isn't sure about the RAID part |
| 15:27.31 | E-bola | there is one stoned |
| 15:27.35 | helo | hmm... i used to have /dev/md/0, but now it changed to /dev/md0 |
| 15:27.37 | amphi | pivot_: (hd1,1) is sdb2 |
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| 15:27.46 | helo | who set us up the bomb? |
| 15:28.32 | stoned | cast, the debia installer/partman |
| 15:28.44 | stoned | it handles all 3 things ;) |
| 15:28.46 | amphi | helo: 'set up us the bomb' |
| 15:28.49 | Zambezi | Eulex, stew: I'm not in a rush. I did choose Debian for a reason. I don't know the ETA for Lenny to go stable, but it does when it does. |
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| 15:29.41 | E-bola | ahhh |
| 15:29.42 | E-bola | EVMS |
| 15:29.47 | E-bola | there u go solid, it do exist |
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| 15:30.09 | stoned | thts one of them |
| 15:30.13 | pivot_ | amphi: don't you mean sdb1? when starting from sdb0, hd(1,1) describes the second partition on sdb, which is sdb1 then |
| 15:30.29 | stoned | solid? |
| 15:30.32 | stoned | you mean stoned? |
| 15:30.34 | amphi | sdb1 is the first partition; sdb is the entire device |
| 15:30.38 | pivot_ | heh no, this doesn't start from 0, sdb2 is correct, sorry |
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| 15:34.42 | ska-fan | I'm setting up pam auth for vsftpd with pam_userdb. I have added the debug argument to the pam conf file, but no debug messages appear in auth.log |
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| 15:36.17 | bob-stein | I am looking to manage my raid using raidutil in debian but for some reason raidutil does not pickup my controller. Can someone help me with this. |
| 15:39.10 | RichiH | 16:35:19 up 15 days, 19:13, 2 users, load average: 40.42, 28.93, 17.34 |
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| 15:39.22 | pingouin_ | nice ;) |
| 15:39.31 | RichiH | yet, all 4 cpus are idle, 195 of the 200 tasks sleep, swap usage is 52kiB |
| 15:39.43 | RichiH | as cpus are idle, it's not i/o, either |
| 15:39.47 | RichiH | what else could it be? |
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| 15:41.46 | bob-stein | I have compiled a recent kernel 2.6.27.7 and my system sees the adaptec raid card but raidutil gives me no active controller device files found |
| 15:43.07 | OpenTokix | bob-stein: isnt it a hardwareraid? Then it will report the drives as asingle scsi-drive |
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| 15:43.08 | bob-stein | OpenTokix, I set it up through the bios as raid 10 and yes it does report it as a single sda drive and everything works |
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| 15:43.28 | bob-stein | however this raidcard in it's little crapy bios does not allow me to setup raid5 using 4 drives it wants an odd number of drives |
| 15:43.49 | OpenTokix | strange |
| 15:43.55 | dindinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.15 | bob-stein | OpenTokix, I have researched this before and it seems to be a common issue for this controller card it wants an odd number of drives for raid5 |
| 15:44.23 | OpenTokix | intresting |
| 15:44.29 | h2os | hello all, trying to get pam_ldap.so to work and require membership w/pam_groupdn="my dn here". i have authentication working but I can't get group membership to work |
| 15:44.57 | h2os | account required pam_ldap.so ignore_unknown_user debug |
| 15:45.10 | bob-stein | OpenTokix, I thought it would make more sense if I manage the raid inside the OS then I believe it becomes easier to add drives or program it to e-mail me if a drive fails |
| 15:45.34 | OpenTokix | bob-stein: if you wanna do it in the OS, you get software-raid and can ignore the bios |
| 15:46.18 | bob-stein | OpenTokix, but isn't raidutil a better way to go about this? |
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| 15:46.41 | OpenTokix | dunno |
| 15:46.59 | bob-stein | Has anyone on this channel used or is using raidutil? |
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| 15:47.39 | h2os | i've done software raid and used mdadm to manage the arrays |
| 15:47.44 | h2os | never raidutil |
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| 15:48.35 | h2os | adaptec , good to know |
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| 15:50.45 | bob-stein | h2os, I guess I need to get tools from adaptec to manage it on the hardware level. |
| 15:51.22 | h2os | bob-stein, i see if they have dpk, or rpm and go from there? what model card? is it recent |
| 15:51.49 | bob-stein | h2os, its not recent adaptec 2610SA |
| 15:52.29 | bob-stein | h2os, I got a tool from adaptec for linux but its java based and acts really weird by asking me to remote manage my raid and connect to localhost to actually see it with a password I don't know :) |
| 15:53.01 | h2os | bob-stein, not familiar w/it |
| 15:53.21 | jelly | bob-stein: you're second person this week with that card; is there a sale of old Dell equipment somewhere? |
| 15:53.27 | h2os | bob-stein, might need root root or something |
| 15:53.58 | bob-stein | jelly, no I got mine from e-bay they are dirt cheap there |
| 15:54.09 | E-bola | Do anybody know where the settings that limit the software raid build speed is located? |
| 15:54.17 | E-bola | ive used them before but cant remember where they where located |
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| 15:54.32 | h2os | might check in /proc and see if the defualt drivers expose anything you could script against |
| 15:54.34 | bob-stein | h2os, I ran the utility in root's X and it started up fine but its gui asks me to connect to myself as root and the regular root pass doesn't work |
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| 15:56.59 | jelly | E-bola: /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_{min,max}, ie. /etc/sysctl.conf dev.raid.speed_limit_... |
| 15:57.08 | E-bola | Yep thats the ones, thanks jelly |
| 15:57.22 | jelly | my boss knows everything. |
| 15:58.18 | E-bola | hehe you asked him? |
| 15:58.31 | jelly | yes. |
| 15:59.14 | jelly | he messed with md more than me |
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| 16:00.01 | E-bola | i was just hoping it was limited, but it seems its default to 200MB/sec in debian |
| 16:00.06 | E-bola | which its not even close to |
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| 16:00.16 | E-bola | so i gotta wait 8 hours for ~3tb raid5 |
| 16:00.19 | E-bola | not too bad i guess |
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| 16:06.05 | joltcan | E-bola: If it's limited to 200 you can change it on-the-fly by echoing a new value to the speed limit in proc |
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| 16:06.40 | E-bola | Well what i meant was the default limit of 200 is much higher than what its doing atm |
| 16:06.51 | E-bola | so its my drives/controllers limiting it, not the kernel im afraid |
| 16:07.35 | joltcan | Ah, I see |
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| 16:10.59 | cast | wish i had found xfce4-terminal before, doesn't have the tons of deps gnome-terminal has |
| 16:11.52 | ix | rxvt-unicode <3 |
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| 16:14.04 | hoxu | tremby, xclip |
| 16:14.04 | tremby | thanks |
| 16:14.05 | tremby | fantastic, exactly what i was looking for |
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| 16:16.52 | blissini | hello is someone using xfonts-artwiz under lenny? |
| 16:17.25 | blissini | hm? |
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| 16:18.57 | Qew | couldn't have been much of a problem, seeing the lack of patience for an answer... |
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| 16:20.12 | cast | maybe he realised he was using xfonts-artwiz under lenny, and thus had found an answer to his question, and left |
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| 16:20.38 | helo | each cores of this 1.6GHz celeron are running at 800MHz... i tried running cpuburn to make scaling raise the rate, but no luck |
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| 16:21.02 | Octalot | maybe he realised that we were going to send him to #ubuntu |
| 16:21.53 | helo | maybe a cat walked across his keyboard and just happened to type "/leave #debian <ret>" |
| 16:21.53 | Qew | maybe he's already there ;) |
| 16:22.10 | helo | dpkg: scaling |
| 16:22.10 | dpkg | helo: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:22.38 | jelly | try "cpufreq" |
| 16:22.46 | jelly | and msg the bot |
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| 16:27.11 | sk4 | dpkg: flash |
| 16:27.11 | dpkg | hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 16:28.23 | cast | mildly surprised that doesn't have any negative remarks about flash |
| 16:29.05 | amphi | denizens of the channel can supply those on demand ;) |
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| 16:30.51 | cast | notes in moving from nv to nvidia, music starts skipping on startx |
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| 16:31.22 | Eulex | cast, noticed too |
| 16:31.29 | Eulex | mpd rules tho |
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| 16:33.02 | cast | as a general music player [iirc]? |
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| 16:34.06 | ix | mpd is the best |
| 16:34.58 | abrotman | tells ix about 'best' |
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| 16:36.01 | cast | ive ended up just using mplayer in my normal screen session for everything :), yay for simplicity. my only slight niggle is it doesn't report bitrates of VBR vorbis as well as ogg123 does |
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| 16:37.12 | ix | tells abrotman about 'subjectivity' |
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| 16:40.13 | pqangel | hi |
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| 16:41.13 | pqangel | i have a little question anyone cares to help e out? |
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| 16:41.24 | stew | pqangel: just ask your question |
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| 16:45.19 | abrotman | pqangel1: just ask your question |
| 16:45.27 | pqangel1 | thanks |
| 16:45.35 | pqangel1 | i'm trying to install gadmin proftpd |
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| 16:45.54 | pqangel1 | but when i try to make ./autoinstall it says i don't have gtk+ 2.0 |
| 16:46.01 | pqangel1 | i'm running ubuntu 8.10 |
| 16:46.08 | abrotman | then please ask #ubuntu |
| 16:46.20 | pqangel1 | i know, i'm sorry but they won't answer |
| 16:46.22 | pqangel1 | :\ |
| 16:46.35 | cast | suggests you give up on the gui for a ftpd idea |
| 16:46.48 | pqangel1 | thing is i'm not going to use it |
| 16:46.52 | abrotman | pqangel1: then ask ##linux, we do not support Ubuntu users in #debian |
| 16:46.53 | pqangel1 | i mean admin it |
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| 16:47.23 | linkslice | pqangel1, try on efnet, #ubuntu is too busy here |
| 16:47.46 | pqangel1 | just one question and i'm off, does the GUI in ftpd has any bugs that could be exploited |
| 16:47.47 | pqangel1 | ?? |
| 16:48.11 | linkslice | ftpd has a gui? |
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| 16:48.28 | pqangel1 | no it doesn't but it has a GTK+ tool called gadmin |
| 16:48.38 | abrotman | pqangel1: ask #ubuntu .. |
| 16:48.42 | pqangel1 | wich adds a graphical interfaec |
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| 16:48.48 | pqangel1 | ok, thanks anyways |
| 16:48.50 | pqangel1 | bye |
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| 16:57.10 | naiv | is it better to use wpa_supplicant or iwpriv ? |
| 16:57.51 | unop | I'd say the former |
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| 17:04.09 | h2os | is getent group supposed to enumerate ldap groups? |
| 17:06.22 | unop | h2os, i shouldn't think so |
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| 17:10.19 | stew | h2os: yes, if they are configured in nsswitch.com |
| 17:10.40 | h2os | it is |
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| 17:13.18 | onetinsoldier | what do i need to do to get a larger width display from the output of the dpkg -l command on a term? i recall that you need to export the COLUMNS enviroment variable, but i can't seem to remember what else you need to do. |
| 17:13.21 | raul | hallo i would like to grep some files from a serial communication |
| 17:13.26 | onetinsoldier | the names of install packages are currently cut off after the 30th column |
| 17:13.29 | raul | how could i do that without loking file? |
| 17:13.36 | raul | locking the serial device*? |
| 17:13.47 | raul | (grep some data)* |
| 17:13.48 | themill | "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" or pipe dpkg's output into something |
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| 17:14.24 | onetinsoldier | the mill, ahh, ok. thanks |
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| 17:18.26 | onetinsoldier | themill: i must be doing something wrong, that's not doing it COLUMNS=126 dpkg -l 'gn*' | grep '^ii' | less |
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| 17:20.11 | stew | onetinsoldier: aptitude search '~i~n^gn' ? |
| 17:20.14 | onetinsoldier | themill: and i swear, it seems i rmember two things you do on the command line expoert COLUMNS=126 ; next command here ...then after that it doesn't matter if you pipe into something else or not |
| 17:20.24 | themill | onetinsoldier: when the command is in a pipeline, it ignores COLUMNS and just gives the full output |
| 17:20.28 | onetinsoldier | s/expoert/export |
| 17:20.34 | stew | onetinsoldier: aptitude search -F%p '~i~n^gn' ? |
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| 17:20.59 | onetinsoldier | stew: i am trying to do it with the dpkg -l command.. nothing more or less if possible. |
| 17:21.36 | stew | onetinsoldier: why specifically 126 columns? |
| 17:22.25 | onetinsoldier | stew: because that's the column size that i currently have my term strecthed out to... get that from the 'stty -a' command |
| 17:22.42 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.01 | themill | onetinsoldier: "COLUMNS=126 dpkg -l 'gn*' | grep '^ii' | less" works here... what are you wanting? compared to what you are getting? perhaps use a pastebin to show us |
| 17:25.27 | XTZGZoReX | What's the command to zip something, again? |
| 17:25.43 | JPT | mhh... |
| 17:25.48 | JPT | something with tar |
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| 17:26.03 | onetinsoldier | the-dude_: hmmm, could be the type of term i'm using. let me try to work it out for a bit. if i still can't work it out i will post in pastebin |
| 17:26.05 | XTZGZoReX | JPT: No, zip :) |
| 17:26.06 | stew | XTZGZoReX: zip archive file1 file2 file3... |
| 17:26.17 | XTZGZoReX | stew: Do I need any options to make it recurse? |
| 17:26.19 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 17:26.21 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yes |
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| 17:26.30 | Neaai | XTZGZoReX: you might need: apt-get install zip unzip |
| 17:26.38 | onetinsoldier | that last one was for u themill |
| 17:26.55 | XTZGZoReX | Neaii: Got those, just forgot the command. |
| 17:28.16 | cast | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 07DC563D1F41B907 Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> |
| 17:28.19 | cast | argh. |
| 17:28.28 | onetinsoldier | themill: what the heck, here's a one-liner example of what i get.... ii xserver-xorg-input-synapt 0.14.7~git20070706-3 ...full name of the package is cut off there |
| 17:28.55 | themill | onetinsoldier: of course... you've asked it to be cut off with your COLUMNS statement. |
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| 17:29.24 | onetinsoldier | themill: hmmm |
| 17:29.31 | themill | !wayttd onetinsoldier |
| 17:29.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, onetinsoldier? |
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| 17:31.28 | onetinsoldier | themill: long ago(can't beleive i didn't save this command in my commands text file, grrr) i used to ba able to specify a length for the 'name' of the packages for the output of dpkg -l.. so that the names were not cut off |
| 17:31.32 | netcrash | Hello, any one has any idea on a good tool to check disk space usage from the command line in a dir with over 30k files |
| 17:31.41 | mhymn_ | df -h |
| 17:31.47 | mhymn_ | du -h |
| 17:31.57 | stew | onetinsoldier: you can do this with aptitude |
| 17:32.02 | SystemFAILURE | netcrash:: du -h . |
| 17:32.04 | stew | onetinsoldier: or probably something from grep-dctrl |
| 17:32.08 | onetinsoldier | themill: right now they are cut off after like 30 chars |
| 17:32.13 | SystemFAILURE | netcrash:: including the . |
| 17:32.22 | stew | netcrash: what exactly are you trying to figure out? |
| 17:32.31 | themill | onetinsoldier: look at --showformat in man 1 dpkg-query |
| 17:32.38 | netcrash | SystemFAILURE: testing |
| 17:32.50 | onetinsoldier | themill: ok, roger. will do. thanks for trying to help |
| 17:32.58 | netcrash | stew: trying to determine what dir is over using the disk space |
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| 17:33.51 | stew | netcrash: "du -k | sort -n" will give you a sorted list |
| 17:34.04 | netcrash | stew: thks |
| 17:34.37 | stew | netcrash: or maybe "du -sk * | sort -n" if you don't want to see all of the files in subdirectoryes, only the top level things in $PWD |
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| 17:34.55 | funky | there is no transcode package on debian ? |
| 17:35.09 | dacs | can someone help me with this please http://paste.debian.net/22797/ |
| 17:35.31 | stew | funky: no, but you can get it from debian-multimedia.org |
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| 17:35.50 | funky | ah, it is there, thank you stew |
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| 17:56.42 | oxi | does anyone know when OpenJDK will make it into Etch? |
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| 17:57.11 | stew | oxi: never, etch was frozen 2 years ago |
| 17:58.48 | oxi | stew: Thanks! I think I'm mixing thing up. |
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| 17:59.47 | shams | can you please tell me that why i can't visit from this link through firefox? http://www.powerbuilding.ir/forums/index.php |
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| 18:00.10 | oxi | It looks like it's in lenny. |
| 18:00.39 | stew | oxi: yes, its in lenny, which will be the next release |
| 18:00.54 | oxi | stew: have you tried it yet? |
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| 18:01.20 | oxi | is it "safe" to use lenny for production today? |
| 18:01.42 | stew | oxi: tried which? lenny or openjdk? |
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| 18:01.45 | stew | well i've tried both |
| 18:01.59 | oxi | stew: both :-) |
| 18:02.08 | oxi | stew: what's your impression? |
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| 18:02.15 | oxi | I'm very curious |
| 18:02.32 | stew | oxi: its generally safe. however you'd be wise to subscribe to lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce as its not strictly guaranteed that lenny would get an immediate security fix if something comes up (though i'd suspect it would) |
| 18:02.43 | stew | oxi: of which? |
| 18:03.11 | oxi | mostly of openjdk under debian |
| 18:03.55 | stew | oxi: i've not used it much, my work requires me to use the non-free sun jdk most of the time. when i did try it there were some swing issues or something, which i understand have since been fixed |
| 18:04.20 | stew | lenny is going to be the best debian ever, or something |
| 18:04.45 | oxi | stew: very interesting |
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| 18:05.05 | dacs | stew: would you help me please |
| 18:05.28 | oxi | do you believe I could switch to openjdk, if I didn't use any swing/awt things? |
| 18:05.45 | stew | oxi: i believe you could switch to openjdk even if you did |
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| 18:06.13 | mhymn_ | shams: that link is ok here but do you really think that's a debian related question?!? |
| 18:06.20 | stew | dacs: dunno. is this stuff you compiled yourself? |
| 18:06.25 | oxi | I mostly develop webapps for tomcat. I wonder if I could run tomcat, hudson, derby, coldfusion fine on it. |
| 18:06.43 | dacs | stew: yes sir |
| 18:07.05 | stew | oxi: check the bts for both openjdk and tomcat5.5 or whatever |
| 18:07.16 | oxi | bts? |
| 18:07.28 | stew | oxi: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:07.34 | oxi | right, thanks |
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| 18:07.59 | oxi | another thing that interests me for a long time |
| 18:08.15 | stew | oxi: if tomcat is in main, it should work fine with free VMs |
| 18:08.24 | stew | (and its been in main for quite some time) |
| 18:08.28 | oxi | which is the most supported linux when developping java stuff? |
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| 18:08.55 | stew | oxi: what do you mean? |
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| 18:09.32 | oxi | well, as an example, which linux had the first openjdk binaries? |
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| 18:09.57 | oxi | which os would you prefer for tomcat hosting for example, and why? |
| 18:10.06 | zeld | hi al |
| 18:10.20 | stew | i have no idea. i know that ours were originally from ubuntu who had openjdk before debian, becuase they are not concerned with freedom as debian is |
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| 18:10.40 | stew | you'd have to twist my arm to get me to host anything in anything other than debian |
| 18:11.08 | jelly | oxi: it doesn't really matter, just install your newest jdk, eclipse, tomcat whatever from upstream tarballs into /opt or /usr/local and do your work |
| 18:11.14 | oxi | stew: I see. I've been sticking with debian too and don't want to get my arms twisted either :-) |
| 18:11.20 | stew | i do all my actual development in a guest os i run under debian named emacs |
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| 18:11.55 | oxi | jelly: I wonder if that works for Etch? |
| 18:12.30 | jelly | oxi: we have sun's jdk and tomcat 5.5 on sarge and etch machines |
| 18:12.51 | oxi | jelly: true, but I'm curious about openjdk |
| 18:13.06 | oxi | jelly: sun is what I've been using so far. |
| 18:13.14 | jelly | no experience with openjdk |
| 18:13.21 | oxi | today I was thinking if I could early adopt |
| 18:13.29 | jelly | we use stuff that works. ;-) |
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| 18:14.17 | jfg | hi |
| 18:14.41 | oxi | when will lenny hit current? |
| 18:14.52 | jfg | i don't understand how to blacklist some modules at boot |
| 18:15.02 | asg | jfg: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:15.07 | jfg | i tried to play with modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 18:15.22 | jfg | but i didn't succeed |
| 18:16.12 | cahoot | jfg: rebuilt initramfs too? |
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| 18:16.21 | jfg | asg: ok thanks, i'll try. Insteqad of blacklist.local i created blacklist_personal |
| 18:16.29 | jfg | is file name important ? |
| 18:16.35 | oxi | or better to say: when will lenny alias stable? |
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| 18:16.51 | jelly | !tell oxi -about wwlr |
| 18:16.51 | oxi | is there a planned release date? |
| 18:16.59 | oxi | jelly: thanks |
| 18:17.13 | stew | oxi: debian doesn't plan release dates, its sets goals and releases when the goals are met, and there are no known release critical bugs |
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| 18:18.26 | stew | though there is also a vote in discussion currently that could hold up lenny for a long time, but i sincerely doubt it is going to go that way |
| 18:18.34 | oxi | stew: that means it could hit stable for christmas? yeah!!! |
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| 18:18.47 | jelly | oxi: pigs could fly, too |
| 18:18.53 | oxi | hehe |
| 18:18.55 | stew | oxi: it could, but its not likely |
| 18:19.04 | stew | oxi: /msg dpkg siyh |
| 18:19.14 | oxi | nice |
| 18:19.32 | jelly | stew: frankly I doubt that siyh thing. There are patches in bts abound. |
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| 18:20.08 | jelly | siykickftpmasterbutt? |
| 18:20.25 | stew | i actually haven't looked to see if there were patches i could be uploading in a while, i should |
| 18:20.37 | stew | jelly: do you mean s/ftpmaster/releasemanager/ ? |
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| 18:20.49 | jelly | possibly! |
| 18:21.06 | jfg | asg: don't do the job |
| 18:21.11 | stew | the RMs are the ones that would do freeze exceptions to let patched packages in |
| 18:21.21 | stew | assuming they have been uploaded |
| 18:21.28 | jfg | i rebuild initramfs |
| 18:21.30 | asg | jfg: Yes, I think so. Also see the related factoid about initramfs |
| 18:21.40 | jfg | asg: i did |
| 18:21.59 | asg | jfg: then it is possible some other module is loading it as a prerequisite |
| 18:22.03 | jelly | stew: as long as I get someone to blame :-) |
| 18:22.33 | jfg | asg: but how can i know wich module need those i don't want to load ? |
| 18:23.09 | themill | dpkg, blame jelly |
| 18:23.10 | dpkg | blames tarbo and jelly for the end of the world as we know it |
| 18:23.24 | asg | jfg: generally, lsmod will show you which modules rely on which other modules |
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| 18:24.18 | stew | i definately don't find many patches to RC bugs rotting in the bts or anything |
| 18:24.25 | jfg | asg: that's what i did, i looked for dependencies and blacklisted all modules apparented to yenta_socket |
| 18:24.42 | stew | !widbu |
| 18:24.43 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 18:24.53 | stew | if it weren't for udev, lenny would be out already |
| 18:25.16 | themill | heh |
| 18:25.20 | asg | jfg: one rather drastic way to do it is to 'mv yenta_socket.ko yenta_socket.blacklisted' if stew and his udev foo can't help |
| 18:25.38 | jfg | asg: ok, thanks |
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| 18:26.31 | stew | has udev fu? |
| 18:26.47 | asg | stew: thought you did |
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| 18:28.12 | stew | i don't think anyone does |
| 18:28.28 | stew | which is why there is nobody to actually document it |
| 18:28.47 | oklinux | hey stew how is it going ? |
| 18:29.23 | asg | stew: I started trying to get intimate with it over a few beers but got too sloppy before I finished |
| 18:29.55 | stew | i know what SIMLINK+= means |
| 18:30.04 | jfg | asg: and how about disable ipv6 module ? i tried to change modprobe.d/aliases with alias net-pf-10 off (some thg like that), but it didn't help |
| 18:30.04 | stew | even if i don't know how to spel it |
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| 18:30.21 | stew | oklinux: it would be better if i were getting work done |
| 18:30.54 | oklinux | me too I got to build 4 computer |
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| 18:31.18 | asg | jfg: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 <--- might provide some extra info |
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| 18:31.47 | oxi | how safe is it to upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 18:31.57 | twobitsprite | does gpg implement the same algorithms as the official pgp software? |
| 18:32.05 | oxi | ... using apt |
| 18:32.05 | oxi | will I |
| 18:32.06 | twobitsprite | i.e., are the keys interchangable? |
| 18:32.10 | jfg | asg: thank you, i come back, X is not started, can't use ff |
| 18:32.36 | stew | oxi: fsvo safe. there are known bugs in the upgrade process but they have workarounds. /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg lenny relelase notes |
| 18:32.40 | asg | jfg: it should be readable with lynx also |
| 18:32.48 | oxi | sorry, lag... Will I end up in the exact same system if I apt upgrade from etch lenny as if I installed a fresh lenny? |
| 18:32.49 | jfg | re |
| 18:32.52 | stew | oxi: hopefully you don't mean "apt-get" when you say "apt", you shouldn't use apt for the upgrade |
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| 18:33.28 | jfg | asg: yeah, but i'm a bit lazy, and urxvt url-matcher is like a drug |
| 18:33.32 | JPT | you can use apt instead of apt-get for upgrading ? Oo |
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| 18:34.04 | JPT | ah..ok.. |
| 18:34.07 | oxi | stew: someone told me to just change the /etc/apt/sources.list list and then fire apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:34.20 | JPT | stew: why is it bad to use apt-get for upgrades ? |
| 18:34.35 | oxi | stew: I shouldn't use apt for the upgrade? |
| 18:34.52 | oxi | stew: that means that someone just provided me missinformation? |
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| 18:35.35 | bombshock | Hello. I have a question. If I'm using bpo, is it possible to replace etch for lenny if I want to migrate from etch to lenny? |
| 18:36.30 | JPT | bombshock: it is possible to upgrade to lenny, but if you have a production system, you should keep etch |
| 18:36.50 | bombshock | JPT: production system? |
| 18:37.06 | JPT | you know... some very important server that keeps your company online^^ |
| 18:37.36 | JPT | mhh.. |
| 18:37.58 | bombshock | JPT: Oh! nah, its purely a personal comp! Would remain stable if I had such a business! |
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| 18:38.03 | JPT | hehe |
| 18:38.33 | JPT | you can do /msg dpkg etch->lenny for further information |
| 18:38.44 | JPT | as it is said in the topic |
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| 18:41.14 | bombshock | JPT: u sure that there is such a thing as lenny-backports? |
| 18:42.03 | JPT | mhh.. i'm not sure... the last time i tried such a thing, i trashed my system... but you can try :-) (or ask an expert, who really knows) |
| 18:42.33 | themill | JPT: etch-backports are lenny packages recompiled for etch. There's no need for lenny-backports until after it is released. |
| 18:42.50 | JPT | hmm...thats right...okay :) |
| 18:43.02 | themill | err.... bombshock^^ |
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| 18:44.06 | bombshock | themill: so if i wanna migrate to lenny, i should remove the bpo entry for sources.list |
| 18:44.15 | stew | oxi: yes, you should follow the release notes, which would have you first upgrade aptitude and dpkg to lenny, then use those tools to do the rest of the upgrading |
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| 18:44.35 | nnull | anyone know how to/if you can -- exec a terminal script upon a user logging in (before xorg initiates) in debian/ubuntu based disto's? |
| 18:44.44 | themill | bombshock: yes. Remove everything from your sources.list except for lenny and lenny/updates. |
| 18:44.49 | stew | JPT: apt-get is far more likely to have problems doing the upgrade than aptitude, and the upgrade has a better chance of doing the right thing if you don't try to just "apt-get dist-upgrade" all the packages at once |
| 18:44.54 | asg | nnull: ~/.xsession |
| 18:44.59 | JPT | hmm |
| 18:45.02 | bombshock | themill: ty |
| 18:45.29 | JPT | sounds a bit strange for me right now, but i'll keep it in mind for problems :) |
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| 18:46.44 | Iradieh | Excuse me, if I installed ie slackware, but I hade a backup of my Debian / and I restored / (without /proc and the other folders) would I have slack or Debian? I want to try slackware, but I want to be able to restore Debian incase it fucks up |
| 18:48.09 | meyou | you'd have some bastardized non-functional distro i'd guess |
| 18:48.49 | themill | frankenslackian |
| 18:49.07 | Iradieh | xD |
| 18:49.10 | meyou | lol |
| 18:49.13 | cast | have you considered just installing slackware somewhere debian isn't |
| 18:49.17 | stew | Iradieh: it depends on what you mean by "without /proc and the other folders" |
| 18:49.27 | stew | Iradieh: is '/bin' one of the other folders? is '/usr'? |
| 18:49.33 | Iradieh | stew: my backup consists of |
| 18:49.46 | Iradieh | stew: --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media --exclude=/home/seivan/BACKUPZ --exclude=/home/seivan/Downloads/*/* --exclude=/sys |
| 18:50.48 | nnull | asg¬ no such folder :O |
| 18:51.05 | stew | Iradieh: you should be able to restore debian with that |
| 18:51.05 | asg | nnull: it's not a folder, it's a file ... in your $HOME |
| 18:51.11 | cast | you have to be a bit careful with --exclude symantics somedays, eg: --exclude=/media might exclude /home/porn/media as well if you dont use --anchored |
| 18:51.22 | nnull | asg¬ oh |
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| 18:51.36 | Iradieh | cast: I am sorry ehm |
| 18:51.39 | Iradieh | I dont understand that |
| 18:51.47 | asg | nnull: see also Xsession(5) |
| 18:52.26 | nnull | ok asg thankyou very much :) |
| 18:52.54 | meyou | cast: aah, so you could use --exclude=/foo if you had 11ty users, all with a /foo directory in their home folders |
| 18:53.02 | meyou | if you wanted to exclude /home/*/foo |
| 18:53.04 | meyou | ? |
| 18:54.28 | cast | i cant remember exactly, i do remember i got bitten by it once though |
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| 18:55.22 | SoMoSparky- | I need to install a package on an older sarge server |
| 18:55.32 | abrotman | SoMoSparky-: archive.debian.org |
| 18:55.55 | SoMoSparky- | i'm fairly new to editing sources.list |
| 18:56.06 | SoMoSparky- | what would my edit look like? |
| 18:56.15 | cast | 'If anchored, a pattern must match an initial subsequence of the name's components. Otherwise, the pattern can match any subsequence. Default is ‘--no-anchored’' i think that means /foo/ will match */foo/* |
| 18:56.18 | stew | SoMoSparky-: is there a good reason you haven't yet upgraded to etch? sarge is no longer supported |
| 18:56.29 | SoMoSparky- | stew-yes |
| 18:56.32 | stew | SoMoSparky-: and sarge is known to have security problems that nobody is fixing |
| 18:56.33 | SoMoSparky- | it's a production server |
| 18:56.44 | abrotman | production .. security .. |
| 18:56.44 | stew | SoMoSparky-: yeah, then i'd definately recommend upgrading it |
| 18:56.44 | SoMoSparky- | hard to migrate hundreds of customers to php5/mysql5 |
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| 18:57.10 | abrotman | etch does have php4 .. not mysql4 though |
| 18:57.13 | stew | SoMoSparky-: is the box on the internet? |
| 18:57.15 | SoMoSparky- | it's in the works stew/abrotman |
| 18:57.16 | SoMoSparky- | yes |
| 18:57.20 | SoMoSparky- | it's online |
| 18:57.24 | SoMoSparky- | i need php4-sybase |
| 18:57.38 | stew | SoMoSparky-: is it harder to move to etch? or to fix things after the box is rooted by a hacker? |
| 18:57.47 | cbeok | so, I'm curious: if I do 'Alt+Sysrq s u' to sync and remount all mounted filesystems in read-only mode, will I be able to mount new volumes in read-write mode? |
| 18:57.48 | SoMoSparky- | stew-not an option at this point |
| 18:58.03 | cbeok | or will the fact that I cannot write to /proc get in the way? |
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| 18:58.15 | SoMoSparky- | i just need to know what I need to add to sources.list |
| 18:58.19 | SoMoSparky- | so that i can just apt-get it |
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| 18:58.49 | SoMoSparky- | in a hosting environment upgrading php and mysql is extremely challenging |
| 18:58.56 | SoMoSparky- | when dealing with customers |
| 18:58.59 | SoMoSparky- | QA work etc |
| 18:59.06 | SoMoSparky- | it's in the works |
| 18:59.15 | SoMoSparky- | but for now I need a workaround :) |
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| 18:59.43 | stew | SoMoSparky-: you've had 1.5 years to do the upgrade now |
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| 18:59.55 | SoMoSparky- | :) |
| 18:59.56 | stew | SoMoSparky-: http://archive.debian.org has sarge now that it is no longer supported |
| 19:00.07 | oxi | stew: if I follow that process of upgrading apt first and upgrade to lenny after, will I end up in almost the same system as if I installed lenny right away? |
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| 19:00.48 | stew | oxi: yes, the difference should basically be that you retain your current configuration |
| 19:01.03 | SoMoSparky- | stew: do you know what my edit to sources.list would look like? |
| 19:01.04 | oxi | stew: that's really all? |
| 19:01.06 | oxi | wow |
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| 19:01.41 | oxi | stew: and what if there was a really nice configuration change from etch to lenny, which I didn't think of when upgrading? |
| 19:01.55 | abrotman | SoMoSparky-: there is a readme at archive.debian.org that tells you exactly the format |
| 19:02.01 | oxi | stew: could I also force a configuration upgrade/reset? |
| 19:02.13 | SoMoSparky- | abrotman: checking for a readme |
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| 19:02.16 | stew | oxi: you will be notified as you upgrade and be given choices like "keep your configuration, use the new one, see a diff, edit the file..." |
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| 19:02.58 | oxi | stew: wow, debian terribly rocks! |
| 19:03.09 | stew | SoMoSparky-: it would look like any other debian repository, but use http://archive.debian.org/debian as the url |
| 19:03.31 | SoMoSparky- | stew: ty, although I was looking for something more specific |
| 19:03.34 | SoMoSparky- | i suppose i can RTFM |
| 19:03.40 | stew | oxi: if you have a config file that you never changed from the etch default, you get the lenny default... |
| 19:04.15 | oxi | stew: perfect |
| 19:04.40 | oxi | stew: but I still can't believe that an upgrade is almost as clean as a clean install |
| 19:05.11 | Neaai | stew: I just thought about /etc/skel/ and what's in there. if it's the etch default it will be lenny default, but if i changed or added or removed something there it will be untouched ? |
| 19:05.37 | stew | oxi: well it, of course wouldn't be a clean install, it would also have the packages you've selected in etch |
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| 19:06.31 | oxi | stew: what if I didn't select packages in etch? Or could I also force all packages to be upgraded? |
| 19:07.14 | stew | Neaai: if you added a file, it would remain. if, for instance, you editied /etc/skel/.bashrc, you'd be prompted with "keep yours, use new, see a diff, edit" when you upgrade bash |
| 19:07.50 | stew | oxi: yes, part of the process is running "aptitude safe-upgrade" and "aptitude full-upgrade" which will cause all the packages you have installed to be upgraded to the lenny versions |
| 19:07.59 | Neaai | stew: ah cool. thanks |
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| 19:08.45 | Gun_Smoke | How can you chat through the command line to local network users? |
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| 19:09.39 | rgr | what command line tool do you recommend to me to find video card HW details from the command line when ssh'd into a remote machine? |
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| 19:10.28 | Agiofws | hi |
| 19:10.37 | Agiofws | which package contains png2swf ? |
| 19:11.12 | Neaai | rgr: lspci shows some details about it |
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| 19:11.27 | rgr | even if its not a pci card? |
| 19:12.10 | Neaai | rgr: i never tried that. does it show anything ? |
| 19:12.51 | abrotman | !tell rgr about whats my hardware |
| 19:13.03 | Agiofws | which package contains png2swf ? how can i find that out ? |
| 19:13.14 | stew | rgr: lspci would include agp/pci-x/pcie cards |
| 19:13.15 | abrotman | !tell Agiofws about search |
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| 19:13.41 | rgr | thanks guys. lspci is handy enough and hwinfo is what was at the back of my memory. sorted. |
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| 19:16.53 | Spypunk | hi guys |
| 19:18.26 | nnull | where abouts is the grub config that sends kernal line please? |
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| 19:18.44 | Spypunk | grub 1 or 2 ? |
| 19:19.17 | Spypunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.19 | nnull | not sure, is one in a different place or>? |
| 19:19.37 | Spypunk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:19.47 | nnull | oh ok thankyou very much Spypunk :) |
| 19:19.53 | stew | nnull: the 'kernel' lines. but you should not edit those lines directly in the "AUTOMAGIC" section, you'd edit the "#kopt=" line and run "update-grub" to have the changes propagat |
| 19:20.14 | nnull | stew¬ rgr rgr |
| 19:21.08 | stew | u old cgr |
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| 19:26.58 | kazabe | hi |
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| 19:27.21 | kazabe | some body here use xen in a gateway server? |
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| 19:27.55 | SoMoSparky- | stew: got it! |
| 19:27.58 | cast | yes, we've been searching for him for weeks, but you've ruined the whole operation! he'll go into hiding now that he knows we're after him. |
| 19:28.00 | SoMoSparky- | ty |
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| 19:28.19 | SoMoSparky- | stew: i added deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib |
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| 19:28.51 | Grab | hello, is it possible to install a mini linux distro in a few MBs of space, (with a gui) ? |
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| 19:29.18 | maligor | depends on how few MBs |
| 19:29.20 | cast | for certain values of a few, sure. |
| 19:29.26 | hov_ | do i need avahi if i don't have any macs? |
| 19:29.38 | maligor | not debian tho |
| 19:29.48 | peppe | what are a couple of terabytes, against the universe? |
| 19:30.00 | Grab | i need to run a virtual OS on that linux distro |
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| 19:30.17 | maligor | use a hypervisor? |
| 19:30.25 | peppe | Grab: a virtual OS in a linux distro in a few mb? |
| 19:30.31 | maligor | ie, xen |
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| 19:30.43 | Grab | peppe how much space would it require? |
| 19:30.43 | hersoy | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:30.44 | Grab | :) |
| 19:30.51 | eject_ck | I accidentally removed /etc/init.d/xend :) where I can get it ? |
| 19:31.01 | eject_ck | Lenny |
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| 19:31.44 | Neaai | eject_ck: I'd look inside the .deb file where that file belongs and get it from there. |
| 19:32.17 | eject_ck | I removed/installed it - no reslt |
| 19:32.27 | eject_ck | ok, I will look into .debs |
| 19:33.16 | \amethyst | eject_ck: you'll have to reinstall with --force-confmiss |
| 19:33.24 | eject_ck | found |
| 19:33.24 | Neaai | eject_ck: /var/cache/apt/archives/ should have copies of the .deb files you installed. Open that .deb file (i use the gui, the archiver) and find the /etc/init.d/xend file |
| 19:33.28 | \amethyst | eject_ck: either that or purge instead of removing |
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| 19:33.40 | eject_ck | xen-utils-common.deb |
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| 19:34.49 | abrotman | !tell hersoy about away |
| 19:34.57 | abrotman | Grab: what kind of GUI ? |
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| 19:35.44 | eject_ck | thanks! |
| 19:36.05 | stew | how am i only now learning about ChrootDirectory in sshd_config |
| 19:36.53 | cast | it's newish |
| 19:36.55 | abrotman | stew: beer? |
| 19:37.04 | stew | yeah, its new in 5.x |
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| 19:37.57 | stew | abrotman: yes, please |
| 19:38.26 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 19:38.27 | dpkg | pours a litre of Guinness for stew |
| 19:38.36 | stew | dankon |
| 19:38.43 | abrotman | a little dab'll do ya :) |
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| 19:40.42 | mns | I've got a Maxtor OneTouch external USB hard drive. I would like to have it get mounted automatically (for which I have written an udev rule that works). My problem is that it gets mounted with a group of "root" and 0500 for permissiosn, when what I want is for it to be a group of "plugdev" and permissions of 0770. Here's the rule I use: KERNEL=="sd*", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{vendor}=="Maxtor", ATTRS{model}=="One Touch II", |
| 19:40.43 | mns | SYMLINK+="maxtorhd%n", GROUP="plugdev", RUN+="/bin/mount -o group,user,rw /dev/%k /media/maxtorhd1" |
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| 19:42.13 | stew | mns: i'd guess you need to add gid=X,umask=002 to the options, where X is the gid of plugdev |
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| 19:42.39 | mns | stew: the mount options ? |
| 19:42.44 | stew | or install ivman, or gnome-volume-manager or something that does this for you |
| 19:42.48 | stew | mns: yeah |
| 19:43.36 | abrotman | stew: did you find someone to adopt that yet? |
| 19:43.36 | dacs | who is in the mood to help me setup sudo |
| 19:43.36 | dacs | i am having hard time understanding the man |
| 19:43.37 | mns | stew: I don't use GNOME/KDE/XFce. Vanilla X11/vtwm. |
| 19:43.37 | stew | abrotman: i just orphaned it instead of RFA, i don't think anyone has picked it up |
| 19:43.45 | abrotman | took a trip to nebraska ... |
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| 19:44.18 | mns | stew: thanks for the pointer to ivman ... seems like what I need. |
| 19:44.58 | twobitsprite | dacs: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch09_:_Linux_Users_and_Sudo |
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| 19:45.38 | dacs | twobitsprite: thank you mate |
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| 19:46.28 | vecam | hello, I'm looking for an application I can manage my pdf books library, anybody have a clue ? |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | mkdir ? |
| 19:46.57 | abrotman | manage in what way? |
| 19:47.59 | hov_ | /dev/shm is like a swap file? |
| 19:48.10 | twobitsprite | dacs: google is your friend |
| 19:48.42 | dacs | twobitsprite: i did , but all the one that i visited was not as good as the one you pulled for me , so thank you |
| 19:49.16 | twobitsprite | dacs: usually googling for "x howto" pulls up the best stuff, fyi :) |
| 19:49.41 | dacs | twobitsprite: what is `x`? |
| 19:49.51 | dacs | is it shorthand for 'linux' |
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| 19:50.02 | twobitsprite | dacs: as in... "whatever howto", like "sudo howto" |
| 19:50.25 | dacs | cool will note it down |
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| 19:56.56 | aetheria | did ~/.bash_profile get deprecated at some point? |
| 19:57.12 | abrotman | how are oyu starting bash ? |
| 19:57.22 | aetheria | opening a konsole |
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| 19:57.33 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 19:57.39 | simonrvn | aetheria: no |
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| 19:58.13 | simonrvn | .bash_profile is a login shell file |
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| 19:58.16 | betz-- | Hi, howto update the whole system and all software to the latest version? |
| 19:58.22 | aetheria | where do i put my PATH statement, if .bash_profile is being ignored? |
| 19:58.35 | ericP | .bashrc , perhaps |
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| 19:58.41 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 19:58.49 | linuxmain | salut |
| 19:58.56 | ericP | betz--, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:59.11 | abrotman | !tell betz-- about why aptitude |
| 19:59.19 | cr3rzemjest | how to change the 'sensible-editor' alternative from 'nano' to 'nano -w' ? |
| 19:59.27 | ericP | or, you could use aptitude |
| 19:59.42 | ericP | !tell ericP about why aptitude |
| 19:59.54 | abrotman | !tell ericP about selftell |
| 20:00.14 | betz-- | allright thanx ericP |
| 20:02.06 | ericP | abrotman, "could be considered spam", is selftell bad because of the extra line noise? |
| 20:02.06 | aetheria | what is the advantage in differentiating between a login and non-login shell? |
| 20:02.09 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: you can't easily, but you can add set nowrap to your ~/.nanorc |
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| 20:02.32 | abrotman | ericP: imagine being here all day and watching hundreds of people do that |
| 20:02.40 | abrotman | especially when there's a 'better' way |
| 20:02.43 | ericP | roger that |
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| 20:02.59 | \amethyst | aetheria: certain commands only need to be run once per session and not for each subsequent shell launched within that session |
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| 20:03.48 | aetheria | \amethyst: does logging in via a *dm constitute a session? |
| 20:03.52 | \amethyst | aetheria: for example, setting and exporting the PATH or other environment variables |
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| 20:04.26 | \amethyst | aetheria: it doesn't typically involve a login shell unfortunately, so .profile etc aren't sourced |
| 20:05.36 | \amethyst | aetheria: but you can source it from your .xsession or .gnomerc I believe |
| 20:05.55 | aetheria | i ask, because when you run "w" on a box, you usually see any users logged into X as a "session" |
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| 20:06.20 | aetheria | so i think when i switched from kdm to gdm is when it happened. |
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| 20:06.41 | \amethyst | aetheria: w works by querying /var/log/wtmp, so that issue is separate from the issue of login shells |
| 20:06.44 | pflanze | Hello. Anyone else having problems with update-initramfs and not being able to boot from new initrd's, when using a luks root? |
| 20:06.49 | pflanze | conf/conf.d/cryptroot is missing in the initrd. |
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| 20:07.31 | \amethyst | aetheria: it should be *dm itself rather than the shell itself that adds the wtmp entry |
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| 20:08.18 | alexts | Anyone using Postfix/PHP5/Debian able to help me? I can't get the Return-Path: to work. I specifiy it in the mail function, but Postfix sets to user@localmachine |
| 20:08.31 | alexts | standard apt-get install php5 postfix |
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| 20:09.09 | aetheria | looks like this behavior of gdm has upset a lot of others |
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| 20:09.50 | moqq | hey - someone point me to a reference on downloading a kernel and installing it offline? i have a laptop that has no network connectivity (yet) and i need to get the latest kernel on it |
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| 20:10.41 | subsume | I find 'top' is a little too vague. The individual processes usage don't add up to the top summary CPU usage. Some switch people recommend for getting a better view? |
| 20:10.44 | moqq | i've compilerd and installed them from scratch beofore, but i'm wonderinf th__if there's a certain way to do it with debian (sorry, inm on a machine with no backspace -- aka a mac) |
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| 20:11.54 | aetheria | from gdm devel: "Will not fix this bug. GDM does not read shell specific login files since it is |
| 20:11.54 | aetheria | not a terminal. If environment variables need to be set, they need to be set in |
| 20:11.54 | aetheria | .profile or a file that GDM does support." |
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| 20:12.27 | \amethyst | aetheria: ohh |
| 20:12.32 | \amethyst | aetheria: so GDM does use .profile |
| 20:12.44 | aetheria | that's ~/.profile ? |
| 20:12.49 | \amethyst | aetheria: you have .bash_profile ? |
| 20:12.54 | aetheria | yes |
| 20:13.05 | aetheria | ln -s .bash_profile .profile |
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| 20:13.22 | aetheria | maybe that will work |
| 20:13.26 | \amethyst | aetheria: I would put the stuff in .profile (make sure it doesn't have bashisms), then make .bash_profile do just source ~/.profile |
| 20:13.34 | \amethyst | aetheria: but ln -s should work too |
| 20:14.06 | pingbat | hey, can anyone please point me to a tutorial for getting a desktop env set up for my server? |
| 20:14.34 | dutchfish | hi, is there something that cna be done to improve vnc sessions, my mouse seams rather slugish with default settings |
| 20:15.15 | dutchfish | !tell pingbat about tasksel |
| 20:15.27 | aetheria | pingbat: why do you need one? |
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| 20:16.48 | aetheria | dutchfish: use ssh -X -C instead? |
| 20:17.07 | moqq | or how at least dow i download the latest kernel directly with out using apt-get? |
| 20:17.13 | dutchfish | aetheria, yes, also possible but this is all the same machine through 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:18.00 | aetheria | dutchfish: you are VNCing to your own system? |
| 20:18.30 | dutchfish | aetheria, yes, kvm vm's and cpu load is only just < 8% |
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| 20:19.14 | aetheria | oh. i run kvm headless and just ssh in. you can try reducing the color depth to 256 for VNC. |
| 20:19.15 | pingbat | dutchfish: thanks very much |
| 20:20.09 | betz-- | Is it possible to get the ram en hd memory by shell? |
| 20:20.12 | pingbat | aetheria: just playing around, want to have a gui for an app i'm running |
| 20:20.19 | aetheria | dutchfish: FWIW -nographic is supposed to put the console of the VM into the current console window, but i only see a login and then it disappears. |
| 20:20.21 | dutchfish | aetheria, mm.. i tried that, not much difference, it looks like mouse resolution is only bad, the mouse movement speed is high so, it just takes litle jumps on movement |
| 20:20.51 | jelly-home | betz--: free; df |
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| 20:21.07 | dutchfish | aetheria, even a remote desktop to a win machine from my lenny x86 act better |
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| 20:21.30 | dutchfish | aetheria, and thats over the net |
| 20:21.45 | rideh | anyone know of a good program to use to determin the health of a hd? (i am mounting lots of them and recovering data / wiping / destroying) |
| 20:21.56 | dutchfish | rideh, smartmon |
| 20:22.20 | rideh | dutchfish, ty |
| 20:22.31 | dutchfish | rideh, to be more precise smartmontools |
| 20:22.45 | aetheria | dutchfish: maybe some options listed here: http://bellard.org/qemu/qemu-doc.html |
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| 20:23.33 | dutchfish | aetheria, yes, already looked at that, the funny thing is when i do qemu with or without kqemu there is no issue, only when using kvm |
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| 20:24.13 | dutchfish | aetheria, of coarse the kvm sessions are much faster |
| 20:24.16 | aetheria | dutchfish: you have the kernel kvm modules loaded? |
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| 20:24.26 | dutchfish | aetheria, kvm and kvm-intel |
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| 20:25.17 | dutchfish | aetheria, running this on E8500 3.16 |
| 20:25.26 | rideh | dutchfish, this looks to be setup for montioring of systems of periods of time |
| 20:25.37 | aetheria | dutchfish: well, you can always run it with the normal kvm graphic window |
| 20:25.39 | pflanze | What's the problem if I'm getting this from the Debian BTS: <503062@bugs.debian.org>: / 140.211.166.43 does not like recipient. / Remote host said: 550 unknown user / Giving up on 140.211.166.43. |
| 20:25.39 | rideh | dutchfish, i guess i can just change devices and start/stop the service |
| 20:25.41 | dutchfish | rideh, yes, i am thinking alike |
| 20:26.19 | rideh | i'm using an external usb -> sata / ata / pata adapter and mounting these in quick succession |
| 20:26.35 | pingbat | does anyone have any experience with matlab on linux? |
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| 20:27.45 | TheKnight | hallo everybody |
| 20:27.53 | TheKnight | is there any qtiplot user here? |
| 20:28.05 | Grab | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.04 | dutchfish | aetheria, what do you mean by 'normal kvm grpahic windows'? |
| 20:29.34 | aetheria | dutchfish: i mean, when you launch it with out -vnc and -nographic options, and you just get the normal qemu console window |
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| 20:29.38 | TheKnight | my qtiplot is really slow in graph managing on my debian testing, i cannot discriminate if it's a system or software problem |
| 20:29.40 | adb | TheKnight: qtiplot |
| 20:30.01 | dutchfish | aetheria, oh, did not know that |
| 20:30.02 | aetheria | dutchfish: i usually set vga=791 or something to increase the console size |
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| 20:30.14 | TheKnight | adb, yes |
| 20:30.20 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.44 | aetheria | dutchfish: yeah, you can just minimize that window if you don't need it, but its nice to have there. i don't think it eats that much resources either. |
| 20:30.53 | abrotman | Grab: that matters |
| 20:31.08 | Grab | abrotman i am not expert |
| 20:31.11 | abrotman | Grab: i think somewhere around 350MB or so maybe you can squeeze X in .. depends how hard you try |
| 20:31.15 | Grab | so i'd need something easy to handle |
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| 20:31.24 | TheKnight | adb, what do you mean?i just have qtiplot on my machine... |
| 20:31.36 | aetheria | dutchfish: FWIW, here is a typical line i use to launch: kvm -net nic,macaddr=$MAC -net tap,vlan=$VLAN,ifname=$KVM_IFACE,script=$SCRIPT -boot c -hda $DISK -m $MEMORY & |
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| 20:31.37 | adb | TheKnight: ah , but i'm not a user |
| 20:31.40 | abrotman | Grab: it could be a bit less, or a bit more .. but it shouldn't be over 1GB by a long shot |
| 20:31.41 | stew | hmm, is there a way to make somehting other than F1-F8 change vts? i don't have an f7 key |
| 20:31.46 | abrotman | chvt |
| 20:31.52 | stew | well i at least don't have a working f7 key |
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| 20:31.59 | stew | yeah, i'm using chvt now |
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| 20:32.39 | aetheria | dutchfish: and you should look into the new libvirt, which is creating a sort of abstraction layer for multiple virtualization platforms |
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| 20:32.41 | abrotman | you want to know if you could remap to like ctrl-alt-7 ? |
| 20:32.47 | dutchfish | aetheria, asuming you use /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup script is it? |
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| 20:32.54 | aetheria | dutchfish: yes |
| 20:32.54 | stew | abrotman: yeah, something like that |
| 20:33.07 | dutchfish | aetheria, i use simular |
| 20:33.16 | stew | i should just grow a pair of balls and open this keyboard up to try to fix it |
| 20:33.19 | jeremiah_ | Can't seem to get my XWindows to work - screen just went dead. Where should I start debugging? |
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| 20:33.30 | subsume | given a list of objects which have object.some_attribute, how can I make a list [some_attribute, some_attribute, some_attribute] with ninja-like precision? |
| 20:33.51 | abrotman | stew: your laptop ? |
| 20:33.53 | dutchfish | aetheria, i use libvirt-0 and related, yes |
| 20:33.57 | stew | abrotman: no, my kinesis |
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| 20:34.11 | jeremiah_ | I ran `startx` but the reply was that it could not bind to the socket and was already running. |
| 20:34.20 | stew | i've lost 3 Fkeys after 13 years of faithful service |
| 20:34.45 | dutchfish | aetheria, i gone delv einto vnc setup itself (mouse issue) |
| 20:35.01 | dutchfish | aetheria, ssh -X works fast with no problem |
| 20:35.03 | abrotman | stew: it's just gunk inside! |
| 20:35.13 | stew | abrotman: its not |
| 20:35.43 | stew | unfortunately the pcb that the fkeys are attached to is hot glued to the chassis |
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| 20:35.50 | Muzer | OK |
| 20:36.14 | Muzer | I'm running Linux on the Wii |
| 20:36.22 | Muzer | and for various reasons, I need to use two copies of SDL |
| 20:36.28 | Muzer | I need the stock one for dosbox and xmame |
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| 20:36.33 | Muzer | and a custom one for supertux |
| 20:36.44 | Eulex | !ftpmustdie |
| 20:36.44 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 20:36.44 | adb | Muzer: on debian ? |
| 20:36.44 | Muzer | how do I force supertux to use a different lib path than usual? |
| 20:36.48 | Muzer | yeah |
| 20:36.49 | Muzer | on Etch |
| 20:36.54 | abrotman | stew: you can also use alt-left/right |
| 20:37.02 | Muzer | that's why I came here instead of ##linux ;) |
| 20:37.16 | stew | abrotman: oh that works |
| 20:37.24 | abrotman | stew: good enough for now? |
| 20:37.32 | stew | yeah |
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| 20:38.03 | stew | i need to kill this keyboard more thoroughly before i spend a couple hundred bucks on a replacement |
| 20:38.04 | clever | whats the package for alsa dv? |
| 20:38.06 | clever | dev* |
| 20:38.32 | jeremiah_ | What should the permissions on .Xauthority be? |
| 20:38.35 | abrotman | apt-cache search alsa dev ? |
| 20:38.54 | clever | abrotman: i see 4 packages and none look right |
| 20:39.03 | abrotman | stew: you could also run 11+1 consoles so that you can use F1-F12 minus the busted ones |
| 20:39.05 | dutchfish | likes do old ibm ones with key-clicks |
| 20:39.09 | abrotman | M20 |
| 20:39.24 | abrotman | clever: what error do you see when compiling whatever it is you're compiling |
| 20:39.46 | clever | abrotman: the configure script didnt find the headers, so it just disabled alsa |
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| 20:39.51 | aetheria | dutchfish: the only thing i haven't been able to do with kvm, is put different clusters of VMs into different subnets so i could run an actual firewall, dmz, private subnet, etc. and use actual linux routing commands/firewall rules with them |
| 20:39.55 | clever | abrotman: and ive now discovered that debian doesnt have oss emulation |
| 20:39.55 | Muzer | anyone know? |
| 20:40.11 | clever | i also see that its called 'asound' in the package name, not alsa |
| 20:40.14 | dutchfish | aetheria, have that exactly running atm |
| 20:40.24 | aetheria | whoa |
| 20:40.31 | jeremiah_ | What should the permissions on .Xauthority be? |
| 20:40.32 | clever | now i can easily find the package:) |
| 20:40.37 | dutchfish | aetheria, transparent firewall bridge setup |
| 20:40.40 | abrotman | clever: it does |
| 20:40.49 | dimedo | hey, is there a cool log viewer around, which does syntax highlighting, tail like behavior, access to both current and gz archived logs, jump to dates, ... |
| 20:40.53 | clever | abrotman: the only other problem is that i allready uninstalled every compiler:P |
| 20:41.04 | stew | abrotman: you'd laugh if you knew how much time i spent trying to figure out why tritium stopped reposnding to f2 before realizing it was a hardware problem |
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| 20:41.09 | aetheria | dutchfish: i ran into trouble when i tried using multiple bridges and connecting things to them, and running routing rules between them |
| 20:41.16 | Muzer | I need to go now |
| 20:41.23 | Muzer | I'll ask again tomorrow, and in ##linux as well |
| 20:41.34 | xst | Why is the dovecot package in etch so extremely out dated? |
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| 20:41.48 | stew | xst: becuase etch was frozen 2 years ago |
| 20:41.49 | jeremiah_ | xst: etch is meant to be stable. |
| 20:41.51 | abrotman | stew: hehe .. whoops |
| 20:41.52 | Muzer | if anyone does know, PM me, I'll get the message tomorrow |
| 20:41.53 | jeremiah_ | Use testing |
| 20:41.53 | aetheria | dutchfish: if i could emulate actual physical clusters like that - wow |
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| 20:42.07 | JovialConvivial | Hello! |
| 20:42.08 | linuxmain | eh oh |
| 20:42.11 | JovialConvivial | hello! |
| 20:42.29 | JovialConvivial | does linux support toshiba bluetooth stack ? |
| 20:42.30 | dutchfish | aetheria, arp proxieng solved most of my problems and using stp between bridges even bounds over 2 phys ethx's |
| 20:42.33 | jeremiah_ | xst: If you want an updated package you can use testing or backports |
| 20:42.56 | jeremiah_ | JovialConvivial: Sure, why not. |
| 20:43.38 | JovialConvivial | jeremiah_, are they using the toshiba BT sdk and can I look at linux source and see how they are using TosBtAPI? |
| 20:43.40 | jeremiah_ | JovialConvivial: Unless it is a proprietary bluetooth stack, in which case ask in #Proprietary_stacks |
| 20:44.09 | JovialConvivial | k |
| 20:44.13 | dutchfish | aetheria, it can be done, but that needs some resources |
| 20:44.25 | JovialConvivial | jeremiah_, ain't nobody there! |
| 20:44.29 | jeremiah_ | JovialConvivial: It seems you want to implement/reverse engineer/copy the Toshiba Bluetooth stack. |
| 20:44.45 | jeremiah_ | JovialConvivial: I was joking about #Proprietary_stack |
| 20:44.47 | jeremiah_ | sorry |
| 20:44.47 | xst | jeremiah_: Do you know where to find such a backport? |
| 20:44.55 | jeremiah_ | umm, backports? |
| 20:45.03 | JovialConvivial | jeremiah_, I have TosBtAPI Sdk but no examples on it's use for what I want to do! |
| 20:45.04 | stew | jeremiah_: there is a dovecot backport? |
| 20:45.17 | jeremiah_ | stew: Actually I don't think so. :} |
| 20:45.21 | JovialConvivial | TosBtAPI is free just gotta sign NDA which I did |
| 20:45.22 | stew | xst: i don't think there is one, you'd have to make one yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 20:45.37 | jeremiah_ | JovialConvivial: So you signed an NDA, did you get to see the code? |
| 20:45.43 | aetheria | dutchfish: do you need one phys iface per bridge? |
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| 20:45.46 | kaduk | hi |
| 20:45.47 | linuxmain | hi |
| 20:45.56 | kaduk | Is someone working on Xorg ? |
| 20:46.00 | kaduk | packaging it |
| 20:46.02 | JovialConvivial | jeremiah_, hell no, I have tos*.[lid|dll] |
| 20:46.11 | jeremiah_ | xst: You can look into 'pinning' and pull the new dovecot from testing. |
| 20:46.11 | aetheria | dutchfish: i think my issue was that i had only one iface and was using ip aliases |
| 20:46.16 | stew | kaduk: why do you ask? |
| 20:46.19 | dutchfish | aetheria, either that or a bound of 2 for better bandwidth (physical) |
| 20:46.19 | JovialConvivial | jeremiah_, hell no, I have tosbt*.[lid|dll] files and that's all I freaking got! |
| 20:46.24 | jeremiah_ | JovialConvivial: I don't know what that is. |
| 20:46.35 | kaduk | stew, I would like to try beta2 1.5.99 with dri2 merged |
| 20:46.52 | JovialConvivial | jeremiah_, doi you know site I can download linux BT API sources? |
| 20:46.57 | dutchfish | aetheria, aliases was no issue |
| 20:46.57 | JovialConvivial | maybe I can get a freaking clue from it |
| 20:47.09 | stew | kaduk: the people who package xorg for debian is the "XStrikeForce" and they are always in need of help |
| 20:47.12 | kaduk | stew, but that means compiling not only xserver and I dont want to mes |
| 20:47.18 | jeremiah_ | JovialConvivial: What is your issue? Do you want to hack bluetooth hardware? In that case, you can read all the bluetooth code your cavities can handle if you use linux. |
| 20:47.31 | JovialConvivial | jeremiah_, I just told you my issue dude |
| 20:47.34 | dutchfish | aetheria, merely mac and how the kernel assign's macs to new device (tap), that was a hard bargen to solve |
| 20:47.37 | kaduk | stew, ok... thanks |
| 20:47.42 | jeremiah_ | JovialConvivial: But proprietary 'stack' are unlikely to be implemented in debian. |
| 20:47.52 | JovialConvivial | k |
| 20:47.53 | jeremiah_ | Which is the channel you happen to be speaking in. |
| 20:47.55 | kaduk | stew, where to find them on IRC ? |
| 20:48.15 | aetheria | dutchfish: i see. i will investigate this then. any reference(s)? |
| 20:48.20 | stew | JovialConvivial: since your questions are not really debian related, perhaps you'd have better luck in ##kernel |
| 20:48.27 | dutchfish | aetheria, hold on i google it up |
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| 20:48.32 | JovialConvivial | fuck it |
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| 20:48.47 | jeremiah_ | That is not very jovial or convivial. |
| 20:48.50 | amphi | !customer |
| 20:48.50 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 20:48.56 | stew | kaduk: #debian-x on irc.debian.org |
| 20:48.58 | dutchfish | aetheria, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_ARP |
| 20:49.22 | jeremiah_ | No back to _my_ problems . . . |
| 20:49.27 | dutchfish | aetheria, avoid duplicate macs at all costs |
| 20:49.28 | jeremiah_ | X died. |
| 20:49.57 | jeremiah_ | Aren't MAC addresses supposed to be _unique_? |
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| 20:50.20 | dutchfish | jeremiah_, yes, unless you configure virtual devices |
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| 20:51.01 | jeremiah_ | dutchfish: ahh, I see. |
| 20:51.40 | jeremiah_ | Why is xauth making my life so miserable? |
| 20:51.55 | jeremiah_ | xauth: error in locking authority file /home/jeremiah/.Xauthority |
| 20:51.56 | pingbat | does anyone know what "tasksel: aptitude failed (255)" might mean? |
| 20:52.11 | pingbat | trying to install a desktop |
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| 20:53.45 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:54.37 | jeremiah_ | pingbat: Sorry, I don't have the error codes for tasksel memorized, but I suspect it is not serious. |
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| 20:54.51 | aetheria | dutchfish: thanks! |
| 20:55.01 | dutchfish | aetheria, yw |
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| 20:56.16 | eptalon | Whats the current unstable? -sid? |
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| 20:57.09 | Eulex | eptalon, yes. as always. |
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| 20:57.38 | eptalon | Eulex: testing is frozen, no? |
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| 20:57.50 | Eulex | eptalon, unstable will always be sid, and sid will always be unstable. |
| 20:58.00 | jelly-home | dutchfish: what's wrong with plain ole bridging instead of proxyarp? |
| 20:58.01 | Eulex | eptalon, yes sure, but how is that related? |
| 20:58.02 | jeremiah_ | eptalon: Yep, testing is currently frozen. |
| 20:58.18 | eptalon | Eulex: not getting current packages.. |
| 20:58.19 | dutchfish | jelly-home, nothing i use brdiging along |
| 20:58.22 | abrotman | pingbat: you can use tasksel later if you choose .. or not at all |
| 20:58.23 | jeremiah_ | sid == unstable |
| 20:58.30 | jeremiah_ | lenny == testing |
| 20:58.38 | Eulex | eptalon, right |
| 20:58.40 | dutchfish | jelly-home, the questuon was when connecting 2 brdiges |
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| 21:00.45 | pingbat | could it be to do with the fact that it's a virtualised server? |
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| 21:01.11 | eptalon | pingbat: what? |
| 21:01.11 | dutchfish | pingbat, normally not |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | pingbat: just ignore tasksel .. just use aptitude later |
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| 21:01.54 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, doesn't tasksel just install a group of packages based on which 'task' you 'selected'? |
| 21:02.07 | Iradieh | excuse me |
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| 21:02.14 | jeremiah_ | And if you could not install one of the components with tasksel, you can do it later with aptitude |
| 21:02.14 | abrotman | takes a whiff |
| 21:02.16 | Iradieh | does apt-get autoremove --purge package work? |
| 21:02.25 | Iradieh | it works in Ubuntu I take it Debian has an older apt-get |
| 21:02.31 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: You're darn tootin! |
| 21:02.37 | jeremiah_ | You bet it works! |
| 21:02.41 | aetheria | dutchfish: so you are adding some extra commands to your kvm-ifup script, including |
| 21:02.42 | jeremiah_ | Handle with care. |
| 21:02.42 | pingbat | abrotman: what exactly do you mean? I ran an upgrade but still can't startx |
| 21:02.43 | Iradieh | I was told not |
| 21:02.56 | aetheria | bash -c ’echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/tap0/proxy_arp’ and, e.g. arp -Ds 192.168.0.253 eth0 pub ? |
| 21:03.02 | abrotman | pingbat: aptitude install xorg <your favorite WM> |
| 21:03.03 | jeremiah_ | pingbat: Having trouble with X too eh? |
| 21:03.06 | eptalon | Iradieh: Either autoremove, or package. |
| 21:03.28 | stew | Iradieh: it depends on which version of debian you are talking about. etch (aka stable) doesn't have autoremove |
| 21:03.36 | Iradieh | stew: but testing does? |
| 21:03.38 | Iradieh | I guess testing it is |
| 21:03.39 | stew | Iradieh: yes |
| 21:03.41 | Iradieh | thanks alot guys :) |
| 21:03.45 | Iradieh | I am not gunna run X |
| 21:03.56 | dutchfish | aetheria, http://www.sjdjweis.com/linux/proxyarp/ |
| 21:04.00 | Iradieh | Oh I got a couple of other questions, regarding X, should I take them here? |
| 21:04.25 | nn-main | !moo |
| 21:04.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 21:04.32 | eptalon | Iradieh: Worst case: we don't know. |
| 21:04.36 | Iradieh | I am gonna run Debian as minimal as I can, but I need to use NoMachine NX to get access and therefore use Eclipse (with C++ dev tools). Is it possible to do so without X just using Debian, Eclipse and FLuxbox |
| 21:04.40 | Iradieh | eptalon: :) or get angry at me |
| 21:04.53 | pingbat | "cannot open /dev/tty0" |
| 21:05.02 | eptalon | Iradieh: In wich case we send out the shooting squad.. |
| 21:05.14 | Iradieh | :) |
| 21:05.21 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: Eclipse will want X. |
| 21:05.37 | eptalon | Iradieh: to run an eclipse, you'll need X.. |
| 21:05.41 | Iradieh | jeremiah_: but there is no screen attached to the computer, it would be a waste running X even though there is no screen :/ |
| 21:05.53 | abrotman | he can run eclipse remotely |
| 21:06.01 | eptalon | Iradieh: remotely connecting through ssh? |
| 21:06.06 | Iradieh | no |
| 21:06.07 | Iradieh | using NX |
| 21:06.14 | abrotman | well then he's fine |
| 21:06.17 | Iradieh | NoMachine running FLuxbox and Eclipse |
| 21:06.20 | Iradieh | I am lost |
| 21:06.24 | Iradieh | Please be more precise :) |
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| 21:06.28 | jeremiah_ | You can't 'export' an X window without X running on the remote machine. |
| 21:06.38 | Iradieh | It's not exporting the same X |
| 21:06.41 | Iradieh | it is making a new sessionm |
| 21:06.49 | Iradieh | that I disconnect from and resume using Nomachine |
| 21:06.57 | Sazpaimon | how do i goto a line in pico (not nano) |
| 21:07.10 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: X is a server. |
| 21:07.22 | Iradieh | oklay |
| 21:07.29 | abrotman | Iradieh: does your nx currently work correctly? |
| 21:07.31 | Iradieh | is there a way to run it.. without showing it if I Were to attach a screen to teh server |
| 21:07.35 | Iradieh | abrotman: yes with Ubuntu |
| 21:07.38 | Iradieh | But I got X and all |
| 21:07.42 | Iradieh | Ubuntu is bloated |
| 21:07.42 | abrotman | so what's his problem again ? |
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| 21:07.43 | jeremiah_ | So to see a windowing interface on a remote machine, that remote machine has to run X |
| 21:07.45 | Iradieh | I got issues I Can't have t hat |
| 21:07.52 | abrotman | !tell Iradieh about sshx |
| 21:07.57 | abrotman | !tell Iradieh about remote x |
| 21:07.57 | Iradieh | jeremiah_: but I don't want that machcine outputting something to a screen |
| 21:07.59 | Iradieh | abrotman: no |
| 21:08.01 | Iradieh | abrotman: I want NX |
| 21:08.05 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: Have you looked at Busybox? |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | then use nx .. end of discussion |
| 21:08.09 | Iradieh | dont want remoting entire X sessions |
| 21:08.12 | Iradieh | jeremiah_: Whats that? |
| 21:08.15 | eptalon | Iradieh: why NX? |
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| 21:08.22 | jeremiah_ | It is a really small set O tools for debian. |
| 21:08.25 | Iradieh | Because it's faster and I just feel comfortable to use it |
| 21:08.29 | eptalon | uses X and connects using ssh. |
| 21:08.29 | abrotman | just leave him be .. he has the solution he wants .. if he has problems with it, he'll come back |
| 21:08.30 | jeremiah_ | And then there is embedian. |
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| 21:08.58 | Iradieh | abrotman: no I don't |
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| 21:09.02 | Iradieh | Stop saying stuff about me |
| 21:09.08 | Iradieh | You havent answered my qestuion |
| 21:09.12 | abrotman | you're going to use NX .. what's the problem |
| 21:09.15 | Iradieh | is there a way to have X but... keep it on, but yet not ouputting anything |
| 21:09.29 | Iradieh | I mean it would be a shame and waste to have X running and having FLuxbox running and sending graphics to the screen |
| 21:09.29 | abrotman | yes, you can run X without a monitor attached |
| 21:09.34 | Iradieh | I DONT |
| 21:09.36 | simonrvn | what? |
| 21:09.38 | Iradieh | want to run X without monitor attached |
| 21:09.52 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: Fluxbox is a window manager. X is a server. |
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| 21:09.57 | Iradieh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.00 | Sazpaimon | ah, that's it, ctrl+w, then ctrl+shift+t |
| 21:10.03 | Iradieh | what does that tell me? |
| 21:10.08 | Iradieh | please just listen |
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| 21:10.09 | abrotman | Iradieh: you can do that |
| 21:10.21 | eptalon | Iradieh: you need X, you dont need fluxbox. |
| 21:10.27 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: Well that fluxbox is not really a part of the problem or the solution |
| 21:10.34 | joeytwiddle | what about a vncserver, that's a kind of X, that doesn't output anything until a client attaches |
| 21:10.35 | Iradieh | Is it a way to have Debian, Fluxbox, eclipse and NX. And X in the background BUT not running as in if I were to attach a screen I would just see the console |
| 21:10.44 | Iradieh | I want fluxbox with NX |
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| 21:10.52 | jeremiah_ | joeytwiddle: But it has an X server on the remote machine. |
| 21:10.55 | Iradieh | joeytwiddle: VNC is retarted and slow |
| 21:10.57 | simonrvn | Iradieh: i think you're confused |
| 21:11.00 | Iradieh | No |
| 21:11.04 | Iradieh | you guys have no clue what NX is |
| 21:11.08 | Iradieh | nevermind my question |
| 21:11.09 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: You can have fluxbox with NX! |
| 21:11.13 | Iradieh | NO SHIT!? |
| 21:11.15 | Iradieh | I know that |
| 21:11.19 | eptalon | Iradieh: X is the program that draws the windows, fluxbox says how they look. |
| 21:11.22 | simonrvn | no have no clue what i know or don't know |
| 21:11.25 | jeremiah_ | Well than why did you ask! |
| 21:11.25 | Iradieh | I dont want Fluxbnox running on the computer if I were to attach a screen |
| 21:11.51 | simonrvn | avoids correcting the 'typos' for fear of going mad |
| 21:11.52 | jeremiah_ | Oh - you want to use screen? |
| 21:11.58 | Iradieh | I dont want X to run on the computer if I were to attach a screen, I want it to run when I use NX. Same goes with Fluxbox.. I dont want it |
| 21:11.58 | jeremiah_ | screen rocks. |
| 21:12.02 | abrotman | this is going downhill fast |
| 21:12.10 | jeremiah_ | w00t |
| 21:12.12 | Iradieh | simonrvn: Isn't my native language |
| 21:12.28 | abrotman | Iradieh: you're saying that if you attach a monitor, you don't want X to always be running? |
| 21:12.31 | simonrvn | mine either. your point? ignore me then. |
| 21:12.41 | eptalon | simonrvn: basic problem of people ocnfusing X with a window manager. |
| 21:12.43 | jeremiah_ | Simple, just ssh -X into the remote machine, start screen, then TightVNC, and tunnel out to your client! |
| 21:12.47 | Iradieh | You forgot a capital letter when typing mine :P |
| 21:12.54 | Iradieh | jeremiah_: are you stupid? |
| 21:12.58 | jeremiah_ | Mostly. |
| 21:13.03 | Iradieh | Yeah I notice that, please stop |
| 21:13.05 | Iradieh | You are confused |
| 21:13.06 | abrotman | Iradieh: you're saying that if you attach a monitor, you don't want X to always be running? |
| 21:13.10 | jeremiah_ | heh |
| 21:13.13 | simonrvn | eptalon: difference being he refuses to acknowledge he's confused :(. |
| 21:13.45 | Iradieh | abrotman: ehm..I say I want to be able to use NX and eclipse from my Mac. I want to be able to see the things such as nautlius etc, through NX ( I can do that now) but I dont want to see anything except a console if Iw ere to attach a screen |
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| 21:14.02 | abrotman | attach a screen? or attach a monitor ? |
| 21:14.04 | Iradieh | Do you EVEN know what NX is |
| 21:14.09 | Iradieh | abrotman: A monitor, sorryu. |
| 21:14.14 | abrotman | there is a program called 'screen' which is causing confusion |
| 21:14.20 | Iradieh | abrotman: Ah sorry |
| 21:14.31 | TheKnight | is there any trick to improve graph speed in qtiplot (qti libraries)? |
| 21:14.36 | abrotman | now you see why everyone is angry! |
| 21:14.42 | mutante_ | Iradieh: after attaching the monitor, use Alt+Numbers to change to a console isnt enough? |
| 21:14.49 | Iradieh | mutante_: ..jesus christ |
| 21:14.52 | TheKnight | and also graphical speed in xorg? |
| 21:14.55 | Iradieh | dude Id ont want the SHIT runnin in the bacjground (shit being X) |
| 21:15.10 | Iradieh | Does ANYONE here know what NX is? |
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| 21:15.16 | abrotman | yes, |
| 21:15.19 | Iradieh | Good |
| 21:15.21 | simonrvn | *facepalm* |
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| 21:15.46 | SoMoSparky- | :) |
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| 21:15.50 | Iradieh | abrotman: If I were to attach a monitor to the computer, I dont want to see anything except maybe a console... but if I were to "attach" through NX, that is connect. I want Fluxbox and .... eclipse |
| 21:15.52 | eptalon | Iradieh: it is a (supposedly more lightweight) reimplementation of X. |
| 21:15.54 | Iradieh | abrotman: With me so far? |
| 21:16.10 | jelly-home | Iradieh: no-execute feature bit in recent intel/amd cpus, of course! |
| 21:16.12 | dutchfish | !NX |
| 21:16.12 | dpkg | nx is probably http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 21:16.32 | Iradieh | It isn't just faster.. It is running a different x session |
| 21:16.32 | sp219 | what command can I run to get the installed version of a package with apt? |
| 21:16.34 | Iradieh | so you can resume |
| 21:16.50 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: Yes, exactly! A session of X! |
| 21:16.52 | sp219 | (without using synaptic) |
| 21:16.59 | eptalon | sp219: dpkg -l pkgname |
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| 21:17.06 | simonrvn | sp219: dpkg -l foo; apt-cache shoe foo ... like the manuals say |
| 21:17.11 | simonrvn | show* |
| 21:17.11 | sp219 | thanks |
| 21:17.11 | Iradieh | jeremiah_: I am not sure if that is correct |
| 21:17.14 | Iradieh | jeremiah_: It feels like that |
| 21:17.15 | jeremiah_ | X is running on the remote machine - you login to that machine with NX |
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| 21:17.41 | jeremiah_ | Which means that the X server on the remote machine sends the X windows over the network to your MAc |
| 21:17.42 | eptalon | NX is the "client" at the remote end.. |
| 21:17.46 | jeremiah_ | That is how it works. |
| 21:17.52 | eptalon | NX is the thing running on your mac. |
| 21:17.59 | jeremiah_ | So you _have_ to have X running for X windows!!!!! |
| 21:18.23 | Iradieh | abrotman: still here? I want sorta having X to be shtudown on the server, but able to connect using NX and use X and shit.. but X not showing anything on the server if I monitor was attached |
| 21:18.24 | abrotman | less EP please |
| 21:18.28 | mutante_ | jeremiah_: so you want to write a login script that is only executed on local logins, and kills X ? |
| 21:18.35 | joeytwiddle | "apt-cache shoe foo" that made me laugh, fo so |
| 21:18.35 | eptalon | of course insted of nx you can use any other X server. |
| 21:18.36 | jeremiah_ | If you want a small embedded system with no windows, (no fluxbox, no eclipse) yo u can have that. |
| 21:18.38 | abrotman | Iradieh: TBH .. sounds like you sohuld start X as needed |
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| 21:18.47 | jeremiah_ | mutante_: No. |
| 21:18.50 | simonrvn | joeytwiddle: :D |
| 21:19.01 | Iradieh | abrotman: ?? |
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| 21:19.06 | abrotman | !! |
| 21:19.07 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 21:19.09 | Iradieh | I dont want X giving output on my server |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | dpkg: i wish you were |
| 21:19.11 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:19.14 | Iradieh | I just want it to send to my amc |
| 21:19.27 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: No X == No windows of any kind! |
| 21:19.29 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 21:19.36 | twobitsprite | dpkg: rm -rf / |
| 21:19.36 | dpkg | wish i knew, twobitsprite |
| 21:19.39 | abrotman | !remote x |
| 21:19.39 | dpkg | [remote x] on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 21:19.42 | abrotman | twobitsprite: don't do that |
| 21:19.55 | stew | ugh, why xhost? |
| 21:19.56 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I was hoping it had some sassy response |
| 21:19.56 | abrotman | might be the easiest way .. even though he's going to yell at me again |
| 21:20.02 | abrotman | stew: it's an old factoid |
| 21:20.07 | abrotman | !factinfo remote x |
| 21:20.07 | dpkg | remote x -- created by za <za@m197-mp1-cvx2a.lee.ntl.com> at Thu Sep 20 22:02:11 2001 (2630 days); last modified at Mon Jan 27 09:39:30 2003 by gravity!~david@lsanca1-ar11-4-60-100-093.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net; it has been requested 53 times, last by abrotman, 28s ago. |
| 21:20.17 | abrotman | blames gravity |
| 21:20.28 | Iradieh | fuck |
| 21:20.29 | Iradieh | iut |
| 21:20.32 | Iradieh | nevermind |
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| 21:20.51 | Iradieh | Can't stand being called confused when the idiot doesn't even know what NX is and suggests VNC |
| 21:21.00 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: You see, X can be transported over the network - VNC's exploit this fact and create 'virtual' desktops. |
| 21:21.04 | mutante_ | jeremiah_: oops, wrong nick , that was for Iradieh |
| 21:21.08 | Iradieh | I dont care jeremiah_ |
| 21:21.19 | jeremiah_ | Iradieh: Oh, but you do care. |
| 21:21.22 | Iradieh | No |
| 21:21.23 | Iradieh | You are confused |
| 21:21.29 | Iradieh | You dont know what I am asking about |
| 21:21.32 | Iradieh | Let it go man |
| 21:21.39 | jeremiah_ | I know you are! But what am I? |
| 21:21.48 | jeremiah_ | I can't let it go! |
| 21:21.55 | jeremiah_ | This is the most important thing in my life! |
| 21:21.59 | stew | lets please keep this constructive |
| 21:22.11 | jeremiah_ | Sorry. I'll stop. :) |
| 21:22.48 | Iradieh | For those who KNOW what NX is: I want to connect my server, use eclipse and firefox and what not with Fluxbox. However, I don't want fluxbox and X running (they might be running as processes and stuff) but I dont want them to be OUTPUTTING anything through the graphics, I dont want to attach a minitor and see the login screen and graphics and shit, it's a waste of resources and etc. |
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| 21:22.59 | Iradieh | jeremiah_: I am sorry |
| 21:23.01 | Iradieh | jeremiah_: Forgive me |
| 21:23.32 | mutante_ | Iradieh: whatever it is, if you want something running while you use it from remote, and you dont want it to run when you use the machine locally, doesnt that come down to writing some kill command into a login script that is only executed on local logins ? |
| 21:23.32 | eptalon | Iradieh: it can't be helped. |
| 21:23.56 | Iradieh | mutante_: dunno |
| 21:24.00 | Iradieh | mutante_: thats what I am asking |
| 21:24.22 | eptalon | Iradieh: of course you could redirect... |
| 21:24.31 | Iradieh | Here is the shot, if I kill GDM while using NX.... Nothing happends with my NX session I can still continue with c++ and eclipse, however on my monitor X restarts. |
| 21:24.51 | stew | Iradieh: doesn't seem like there is any reasno to have gdm even installed |
| 21:25.14 | Iradieh | I mean restart |
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| 21:25.31 | SoMoSparky- | couldn't you prevent X from starting in the inittab? |
| 21:25.34 | stew | though i don't know specifically about how NX works |
| 21:25.34 | Iradieh | stew: I thought restarting GDM would restart X |
| 21:25.41 | Iradieh | thats the problem |
| 21:25.43 | Iradieh | More shoulöd |
| 21:25.47 | Iradieh | Stop using VNC |
| 21:25.48 | Iradieh | it's fucked and slow |
| 21:25.52 | Iradieh | Learn NX |
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| 21:25.57 | Iradieh | So I can use you ;-) |
| 21:26.01 | stew | Iradieh: please don't hit enter so often |
| 21:26.12 | Iradieh | Sorry :/ I blame python |
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| 21:27.26 | Iradieh | I hate not being understood :/ It's frustrating |
| 21:27.59 | Iradieh | What if I install Debian, FLuxbox (Fluxbox would probarly get some X libs) and Eclipse |
| 21:28.02 | Iradieh | if I reboot |
| 21:28.06 | Iradieh | Will it run X and show stuff? |
| 21:28.07 | eptalon | Probably the wrong channel: Is OpenSolaris worth looking at? |
| 21:28.18 | Iradieh | I install from the command line |
| 21:28.20 | dutchfish | wonders if this was the first stone to the tower of babel ... |
| 21:28.22 | stew | Iradieh: yes, fluxbox and eclipse would require x libraraies, but not an X server |
| 21:28.28 | mutante_ | Iradieh: you can use "init" command to switch runlevels, like "init 3" i think is what you want |
| 21:28.32 | stew | Iradieh: so wait, doex NX export an actual X session from a remote x server? or does it start its own x server? |
| 21:28.37 | SoMoSparky- | Iradieh: I used to disable X to start by disabling it within the inittab |
| 21:28.43 | stew | mutante_: all runlevels 2-5 are treated the same in debian |
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| 21:28.50 | eptalon | Iradieh: X will mostl likely install some kind of login manager |
| 21:29.04 | jelly-home | SoMoSparky-: X doesn't start from inittab in Debian |
| 21:29.13 | Iradieh | stew: dunno :/ |
| 21:29.22 | mutante_ | stew: oops, so how to get into "networking: yes, X: no" |
| 21:29.22 | Iradieh | stew: I think it's starts it's own :/ Is there a way I can try |
| 21:29.24 | Iradieh | I have |
| 21:29.31 | SoMoSparky- | jelly-home- ah, ok. i was running RH back then :) |
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| 21:29.58 | stew | Iradieh: does restarting gdm affect an existing NX session? |
| 21:30.13 | stew | mutante_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:30.42 | stew | mutante_: the runlevels can be setup the way you were assuming they were setup, but debian doesn't do that for you, you'd have to do it yourself |
| 21:31.17 | mutante_ | dpkg: tell Iradieh about nodm |
| 21:31.43 | abrotman | that's not what he wants!! |
| 21:32.17 | stew | abrotman: why not? does NX require an xserver to be running (other than one it possibly provides?) |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | does vnc? |
| 21:32.56 | Iradieh | stew: no |
| 21:33.11 | Iradieh | http://smacbook.zapto.org:3002/3F1E4/Picture_1.png |
| 21:33.11 | Iradieh | http://smacbook.zapto.org:3002/B43CD/Picture_3.png |
| 21:33.12 | Iradieh | http://smacbook.zapto.org:3002/00385/Picture_4.png |
| 21:33.12 | Iradieh | http://smacbook.zapto.org:3002/93FB5/Picture_5.png |
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| 21:33.15 | abrotman | AFAIK, NX is vnc on steroids |
| 21:33.24 | stew | abrotman: what do you mean by "vnc"? some vnc servers do, some vnc servers dont |
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| 21:33.32 | Iradieh | Sorry abou that |
| 21:33.37 | abrotman | Iradieh: we don't take kindly to pasters! |
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| 21:34.02 | rotw | hi |
| 21:34.03 | Iradieh | abrotman: sorry anyway you see NX on those screens |
| 21:34.10 | abrotman | didn't look! |
| 21:34.21 | stew | Iradieh: you mean "no, restarting gdm doesn't affect a running NX session"? |
| 21:34.21 | rotw | hey, has anyone seen onetinsoldier recently? |
| 21:34.56 | Iradieh | stew: correct |
| 21:35.08 | Iradieh | stew: I can restart GDM, and still work on NX and do shit :) |
| 21:35.37 | eptalon | Iradieh: hence. you don't need GDM.. |
| 21:35.39 | stew | Iradieh: then it sounds like you just want to remove gdm, which would prevent the xserver from ever starting |
| 21:35.55 | stew | Iradieh: (and thus, when you connect a keybaord/monitor to the machine, you'd see a text console instead) |
| 21:36.10 | Iradieh | stew: but NX still wörks? |
| 21:36.12 | Iradieh | works* |
| 21:36.19 | eptalon | with the "login:" screen... |
| 21:36.21 | Iradieh | stew: but.. I am not gonna install GDM :/ |
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| 21:36.28 | Iradieh | Just |
| 21:36.29 | Iradieh | Debian |
| 21:36.30 | Iradieh | Eclipse |
| 21:36.31 | Iradieh | Fluxbox |
| 21:36.33 | Iradieh | and NX |
| 21:36.37 | dutchfish | !enter |
| 21:36.38 | stew | Iradieh: stop hitting enter |
| 21:36.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 21:36.38 | Iradieh | (and openssh= |
| 21:36.43 | Iradieh | Sorry sorry :( |
| 21:36.59 | stew | Iradieh: ok, so i don't see the problem |
| 21:37.16 | stew | or was this whole thing a hypothetical? |
| 21:37.37 | eptalon | Iradieh: If you use an openssh server, you don't need NX at the client side, you can also tunnel through ssh if you want |
| 21:37.50 | Iradieh | no eptalon no.. just go |
| 21:37.51 | Iradieh | :P |
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| 21:38.06 | Iradieh | stew: dude, I am connected right, is there something you do that would totally nuke X and see if it is pointles sfor NX to work? |
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| 21:38.31 | magnetron | Iradieh→ you troll here too? |
| 21:38.58 | Iradieh | magnetron: yes |
| 21:39.04 | stew | Iradieh: what do you mean be "pointles sfor NX to work" ? |
| 21:39.14 | Iradieh | stew: Well is there somethjing we can try |
| 21:39.21 | Iradieh | that would.. like kill X and see if NX still works |
| 21:39.27 | stew | Iradieh: restart gdm |
| 21:39.31 | mutante_ | Iradieh: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 21:39.32 | eptalon | Now for something completely different:Do I need OpenSolaris to get ZFS...? |
| 21:39.32 | Iradieh | alright |
| 21:39.36 | Iradieh | I got a SSH session right now |
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| 21:40.15 | Iradieh | stew: did |
| 21:40.20 | Iradieh | mutante_: I can't :) dont got a screen attached |
| 21:40.21 | stew | Iradieh: that is assuming that gdm is the thing that started X in the first place |
| 21:40.24 | Iradieh | mutante_: DOing that would fuck NX up |
| 21:40.24 | ForsakenSoul | hey guys how can I set the permissions for a folder to share write permissions between two users |
| 21:40.25 | ForsakenSoul | ? |
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| 21:41.06 | stew | ForsakenSoul: set the folder g+s, and owned by a group containing both users, and have the users use umask 002 when creating files in the folder |
| 21:41.07 | eptalon | ForsakenSoul: same group? |
| 21:41.09 | SoMoSparky- | ForsakenSoul: chmod 775 the folder |
| 21:41.18 | SoMoSparky- | and add the users to teh same group |
| 21:41.25 | SoMoSparky- | or folder g+s too |
| 21:41.27 | magnetron | ForsakenSoul→ you add them both to a group, then set the group ownership of that folder and change the group permission |
| 21:41.57 | ForsakenSoul | ok so ... |
| 21:41.57 | ForsakenSoul | :D |
| 21:42.01 | ForsakenSoul | add to group |
| 21:42.02 | ForsakenSoul | and then |
| 21:42.11 | mutante_ | chmod g+w |
| 21:42.14 | stew | ForsakenSoul: i'm assuming that you mean that files created in that folder should be editable by either user? |
| 21:42.23 | ForsakenSoul | chmod g+w folder |
| 21:42.29 | stew | g+sw |
| 21:42.31 | ForsakenSoul | yeah |
| 21:42.34 | Iradieh | w:( |
| 21:42.36 | Iradieh | this was pointless |
| 21:42.36 | Iradieh | fuck |
| 21:43.16 | ForsakenSoul | hmmm but I mean mutante_ what should I put after chmod g+sw ... |
| 21:43.20 | ForsakenSoul | group name |
| 21:43.21 | ForsakenSoul | or folder |
| 21:43.32 | stew | ForsakenSoul: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 21:43.45 | stew | ForsakenSoul: do you know what the chmod command does? |
| 21:44.00 | ForsakenSoul | changes the permissions of a folder |
| 21:45.13 | eject_ck | I'm trying configure bridging with debian and shorewall. I'm getting problem with applying rules |
| 21:45.15 | eject_ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.22 | eject_ck | /sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o br0 -j br0_out |
| 21:45.22 | eject_ck | iptables v1.4.1.1: Couldn't load target `br0_out':/lib/xtables/libipt_br0_out.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:45.58 | stew | eject_ck: it appears that you are defining a rule to jump to the br0_out chain, but no such chain has been created yet |
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| 21:46.53 | stew | eject_ck: are you creating the chain somewhere later in the ruleset? |
| 21:47.06 | mutante_ | ForsakenSoul: for chmod: 4=read, 2=write, 1=execute, add up the numbers for the permissions you want to give, and there are three numbers, because there is one each for owner,group,others |
| 21:47.17 | eject_ck | I will check |
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| 21:50.21 | bobbycobain | hello everyone |
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| 21:50.47 | bobbycobain | can some1 help me to get my nvidia geforce 7600 to work under debian lenny? |
| 21:51.04 | cast | it should 'just work' |
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| 21:51.37 | bobbycobain | i already installed the nvidia-glx driver |
| 21:51.50 | bobbycobain | should that be enough? |
| 21:52.01 | cast | can you see things on your monitor. |
| 21:52.06 | bobbycobain | yes |
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| 21:52.19 | bobbycobain | but i want 3d support |
| 21:52.24 | ForsakenSoul | ok ... can someone explain why I'm getting this as an error when I run it through a script |
| 21:52.25 | ForsakenSoul | failed: "sh -c \"git clone -q /home/forsakensoul/fit4gym.git/ /home/mitev/fit4gym.com/releases/20081203215126 && cd /home/mitev/fit4gym.com/releases/20081203215126 && git checkout -q -b deploy 4c08e93764c7e3b53306e8febcc089e00820e248 && (echo 4c08e93764c7e3b53306e8febcc089e00820e248 > /home/mitev/fit4gym.com/releases/20081203215126/REVISION)\"" on 85.14.6.150 |
| 21:52.33 | ForsakenSoul | and when I run it through the user which is running the string |
| 21:52.34 | enouf | then do /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:52.35 | ForsakenSoul | there is no error |
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| 21:52.47 | xtrix | hello |
| 21:52.48 | linuxmain | que tal |
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| 21:53.13 | bobbycobain | \msg pdkg nvidia |
| 21:53.14 | xtrix | i'm having truble with my new nic dlink dge 530T |
| 21:53.19 | DeadFishMan | !br |
| 21:53.19 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:53.25 | jelly-home | ForsakenSoul: uhh... split it into separate lines and check each one's exit status? |
| 21:53.25 | adnc | hello, does someone know if there is a chatting software that allows encrypting the connection for two parties? |
| 21:53.27 | enouf | not C:\ :-P |
| 21:53.35 | xtrix | after boot there's "no link" |
| 21:53.47 | cast | adnc: jabber clients, with gpg |
| 21:53.54 | cast | adnc: or one could use pidgin, with otr |
| 21:54.03 | zamuro | DeadFishMan: Actually, linuxmain wrote in spanish :P |
| 21:54.07 | adnc | cast: but i do like to have a direct connectino without a server |
| 21:54.19 | zamuro | !tell linuxmain about es |
| 21:54.29 | xtrix | anyone here have dge 530T (skge) and get it running ? |
| 21:54.30 | cast | adnc: cryptcat? :) |
| 21:54.42 | adnc | cast: what is cryptcat? |
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| 21:55.03 | cast | you tell me bro |
| 21:55.39 | enouf | adnc: see if bitlbee supports it |
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| 21:56.15 | nick_fn | anyone good at using "find"? I'd like to rename all .svn_ directories to .svn .... |
| 21:56.39 | enouf | xtrix: does lspci show it properly |
| 21:56.41 | enouf | ? |
| 21:56.55 | enouf | !tell nick_fn -about using find |
| 21:57.01 | stew | nick_fn: find -name .svn_ | xargs rename 's/_//' |
| 21:57.13 | enouf | right, sed |
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| 21:57.30 | nick_fn | ah yes, xargs, good idea... |
| 21:57.37 | stew | this is where someone chimes in about directory names with spaces |
| 21:57.42 | ForsakenSoul | hey guys I'm having a very strange bug |
| 21:57.44 | ForsakenSoul | at deploying |
| 21:57.51 | enouf | heh |
| 21:57.51 | nick_fn | I know that, -print0 | xargs -0 .... |
| 21:57.53 | Tramp | yes, someone should |
| 21:58.00 | enouf | done :-P |
| 21:58.02 | ForsakenSoul | oops |
| 21:58.07 | ForsakenSoul | wrong channel sorry |
| 21:58.49 | xtrix | enouf: imo yes |
| 21:58.49 | Tramp | nick_fn: or use find ... -exec ..., and probably you want the -depth-switch as well |
| 21:59.00 | xtrix | enouf: "01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc DGE-530T Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 11) (rev 11)" - wanna see lspci -vv ? |
| 21:59.02 | enouf | xtrix: how about you show us so we know ... |
| 21:59.06 | nick_fn | yeah, I have -depth. I didn't see how to use -exec for it though... |
| 21:59.15 | nick_fn | but then, I didn't know about rename (!) |
| 21:59.16 | enouf | xtrix: are you on etch? or ... |
| 21:59.40 | xtrix | enouf: lenny |
| 21:59.46 | enouf | xtrix: lspci -nn |
| 21:59.49 | abrotman | stew: yay pedey! |
| 22:00.13 | stew | omglolgosoxbbq |
| 22:00.16 | stoned | wtf |
| 22:00.22 | enouf | ... |
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| 22:00.46 | xtrix | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m7b70a67 |
| 22:00.50 | stoned | abrotman, stew, can you please take these inside jokes or whatever to private message. |
| 22:00.54 | stoned | thanks. |
| 22:00.55 | enouf | xtrix: just the nic man ... |
| 22:01.36 | enouf | xtrix: that's not what i asked for .. but it is telling |
| 22:01.51 | enouf | modprobe skge |
| 22:02.07 | xtrix | enouf: oh sory, i thought i'm typing -nn |
| 22:02.11 | enouf | add it to /etc/modules |
| 22:02.22 | xtrix | skge is loaded |
| 22:02.27 | xtrix | automaticly at moot |
| 22:02.30 | xtrix | boot* |
| 22:02.38 | enouf | so what's the problem? |
| 22:02.46 | xtrix | enouf: dunno, tell me man |
| 22:02.52 | enouf | ... |
| 22:02.53 | xtrix | :/ |
| 22:02.58 | xtrix | "no link" |
| 22:03.09 | xtrix | it looks like the cable is not connected but IT IS |
| 22:03.18 | xtrix | on other system this nic works |
| 22:03.21 | enouf | is that from dmesg? /msg dpkg interfaces ; /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 22:03.51 | enouf | xtrix: if you just swapped out one NIC for another - likely the z25 issue |
| 22:04.12 | xtrix | enouf: ethtool is saying "no link", second - led on switch is not "on" |
| 22:04.38 | enouf | screw ethtool - what |
| 22:04.45 | enouf | screw ethtool - what's ifconfig -a say? |
| 22:05.05 | enouf | (i mean .. for now) |
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| 22:05.14 | xtrix | its saying no ip |
| 22:05.16 | xtrix | ;p |
| 22:05.22 | enouf | no it doesn't |
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| 22:05.44 | xtrix | 0 bytes rx/tx, 0 errors |
| 22:05.51 | xtrix | etc |
| 22:05.58 | enouf | xtrix: this is where you use a pastebin :-P |
| 22:06.19 | xtrix | that info will not be usefull but one sec |
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| 22:06.34 | xtrix | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m32fc5523 |
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| 22:07.11 | enouf | xtrix: is that the correct HWAddr? |
| 22:07.30 | eject_ck | I'm following this manual http://man.chinaunix.net/network/shorewall-docs-html-3.0.8/Xen.html |
| 22:07.46 | eject_ck | and still have same error |
| 22:07.53 | eject_ck | ERROR: Command "/sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o br0 -j br0_out" Failed |
| 22:08.01 | xtrix | enouf: yes |
| 22:08.11 | eject_ck | I have exactly same configs |
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| 22:08.47 | xst | I am running etch but would like to install dovecot from testing using "pinning". However, this will also upgrade libc6 and a bunch of other packages. Is that really safe or might it make it break something? |
| 22:09.01 | xtrix | enouf: i've got onboard nic but it wolnt help when i'll turn it off |
| 22:09.05 | xtrix | wont* |
| 22:09.21 | enouf | xtrix: so ensure that your z25 or /etc/udev/udev.rules/70something file is correct - then pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and output of route and arp |
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| 22:10.22 | enouf | xtrix: what happens if you do "ifup eth1" ... then try "ifconfig eth1 up" |
| 22:10.26 | rideh | having trouble mounting a ntfs drive - output at http://pastebin.com/d7000c9c8 |
| 22:11.08 | enouf | xtrix: and where is your lo ? |
| 22:12.15 | xtrix | enouf: bah, ifconfig eth1 up worked.. |
| 22:12.41 | eldowan | rideh: have you attached it to windows? done a scandisk in windows? |
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| 22:13.10 | enouf | xtrix: then the issue is your /etc/network/interfaces most likely |
| 22:13.34 | dustybin | what does foo bar mean? |
| 22:13.47 | xtrix | enouf: yeah seems so, thx m8 ;) |
| 22:13.47 | eldowan | dustybin: its filler |
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| 22:13.50 | enouf | foo == x , bar == y |
| 22:13.54 | rideh | eldowan, attempted to but all windows wants to do is format it |
| 22:13.57 | enouf | baz == z |
| 22:14.01 | dustybin | oh |
| 22:14.03 | dustybin | foo bar baz |
| 22:14.09 | dustybin | never heard of baz |
| 22:14.25 | enouf | and all that jazz ;-0 |
| 22:14.26 | xst | Generally: Is it safe to use libc6 from testing in a stable installation? |
| 22:14.31 | eldowan | rideh: hrmmm. you may have a corrupted disk. |
| 22:14.39 | dustybin | !tell enouf about trolling |
| 22:14.58 | enouf | mmm opium :-P |
| 22:15.07 | eldowan | rideh: does windows assign it a letter even though you can't access it? |
| 22:15.13 | rideh | eldowan, yes |
| 22:15.32 | eldowan | rideh: what does checkdisk do for you? |
| 22:15.32 | rideh | eldowan, attempting to issue any commands to it just makes windows lock up. attempting to run things from the command line yields less results |
| 22:15.42 | rideh | eldowan, says the disk doesnt exist |
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| 22:16.11 | eldowan | rideh: you might have some luck with safe mode. I doubt it, but weirder things have happened |
| 22:16.19 | rideh | eldowan, I dont know if there is even any data on the disk. i have a stack of em to go through at various stages of recovery |
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| 22:16.30 | rideh | eldowan, its externally mounted to my laptop via a usb adapter |
| 22:16.48 | rideh | eldowan, cant boot from it - cant mount the device in safe mode. i'm about to just format it |
| 22:17.07 | enouf | rideh: has that disk been allocated as a Windows "dynamic disk" ? |
| 22:17.18 | eldowan | rideh: I'm going to guess |
| 22:17.23 | rideh | enouf, no idea - found it in a closet with 20 other hds |
| 22:17.43 | rideh | i have 8 tb worth of disks to go thru. pitch bad ones, fix ok ones, and wipe em. recover data as i can |
| 22:17.55 | eldowan | rideh: I'm going to guess you may be out of luck with this particular drive. I've got nothing else for you. |
| 22:17.57 | rideh | put data on server incase a client ever asks for it |
| 22:18.11 | enouf | rideh: you should ask ##windows, but what i would try is boot into XP CD and load recovery console and run chkdsk /r |
| 22:18.14 | rideh | eldowan, yea i'm scratchin my head as well... i dont have any hardware to do anything more |
| 22:18.48 | eldowan | rideh: when in doubt, a sledgehammer will fix all harddrive issues. |
| 22:18.51 | enouf | read about what i mentioned about windows proprietary 'dynamic disks' |
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| 22:19.33 | enouf | eldowan: or ... a glory hole ;-) |
| 22:19.52 | eldowan | !beer enouf |
| 22:19.52 | dpkg | pours a litre of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for enouf |
| 22:20.03 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 22:20.04 | dpkg | i heard \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
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| 22:21.08 | rideh | eldowan, enouf thanks for the help even though it went in the windows direction.. trying to use debian for all of my it needs now and gotta learn new tricks :D |
| 22:21.09 | enouf | rideh: or .. it could be part of some funked raid as well, in which case dmraid might help - but you need to investigate the disk contents - use a hexeditor ;-) |
| 22:21.34 | enouf | rideh: i just mentioned how i'd peek at it ;-) |
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| 22:22.28 | rideh | enouf, yea thx |
| 22:22.32 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.35 | Agiofws | hey enouf |
| 22:22.35 | rideh | i dont know that i have time to do that right now i'll put it to the side |
| 22:22.51 | maligor | rideh, checked the partition sizes with fdisk? |
| 22:23.03 | efaistos | how come that debian has only awesome version 2 :( |
| 22:23.05 | enouf | Agiofws: hi - and wtf? no spam please |
| 22:23.17 | Agiofws | just article |
| 22:23.22 | rideh | maligor, yes 1 partition |
| 22:23.35 | maligor | rideh, and the size fits the disk? :P |
| 22:23.42 | stew | efaistos: experimental has version 3. /msg dpkg slushy |
| 22:24.14 | rideh | maligor, Disk /dev/sdc: 30.7 GB, 30750031872 bytes /dev/sdc1 * 1 3737 30017421 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 22:24.18 | rideh | looks to |
| 22:25.10 | rideh | on a side note. one of my clients brought in their uncles machine ... continual spyware / malware infestations |
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| 22:25.20 | rideh | installed debian on it, sending it out tommorrow.. we'll see if he notices |
| 22:25.30 | enouf | heh |
| 22:25.35 | efaistos | stew: thanks :) |
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| 22:31.58 | cr3 | when attempting to print using lpr, which calls cups, I see in the logs: /dev/lp0: No such file or directory. so, should that device exist if I have a parallel port or should it always exist? |
| 22:32.56 | aetheria | cr3: that would be the parallel printer device. |
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| 22:33.56 | aetheria | cr3: look at /etc/printcap man lpr |
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| 22:35.51 | stoned | eldowan, ! |
| 22:36.21 | stoned | rideh, should have gotten for him XPDE |
| 22:36.28 | stoned | then he really would not have probably noticed |
| 22:36.49 | stoned | its so remarkably like xp |
| 22:36.50 | enouf | cr3: does top/htop or ps show /usr/sbin/lpd -s is running? |
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| 22:38.15 | rshakin | hey anyone know if current release of debian supports nvidia raid out of the box |
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| 22:38.34 | cast | that sounds like |
| 22:38.36 | cast | !fakeraid |
| 22:38.36 | dpkg | i heard fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 22:38.37 | abrotman | nvraid? isn't real raid |
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| 22:40.03 | limpio | I have to buy a new power supply, the standard is 450w, is that ok or should i buy a bigger one? |
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| 22:40.33 | abrotman | limpio: ##hardware |
| 22:40.35 | ubd | hello how to i mount a windows/system/active/ntfs partition |
| 22:40.45 | abrotman | !tell ubd about ntfsro |
| 22:40.48 | limpio | thx, buddy |
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| 22:41.24 | ubd | abrotman what you recommend is different from mounting regular ntfs partitions? |
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| 22:41.40 | cr3 | enouf: yes, lpd is running |
| 22:41.51 | abrotman | ubd: in which version of linux? |
| 22:41.57 | ubd | ubuntu |
| 22:42.15 | cr3 | I found problems in printcap.conf, that was a good hint. I'm still getting error messages about lp0 though, but I'm not sure if that's a problem yet |
| 22:42.15 | bobbycobain | hello. can some1 help me to get my nvidia geforce 7600 to work under debian lenny? |
| 22:42.30 | abrotman | ubd: then you go to #ubuntu and ask them |
| 22:43.01 | cafuego | bobbycobain: Install the nvidia driver, tell X to use it. Done. |
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| 22:43.15 | cr3 | the logs aren't showing anything interesting though |
| 22:44.09 | bobbycobain | how can i tell x to use the driver? |
| 22:44.36 | ubd | ubuntuguys dont know anything.. |
| 22:44.49 | stew | ubd: sorry, we can't help you with that |
| 22:44.53 | onetinsoldier | bobbycobain: there is a line in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf that spcifies what driver xorg is to use |
| 22:45.12 | juanchinho | or you can run nvidia-settings instead |
| 22:45.22 | ubd | i think you can |
| 22:45.47 | stew | ubd: ok. if you aren't getting the support you desire from #ubuntu, try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web forum or http://www.ubuntu.com/support |
| 22:45.54 | stew | ubd: we can't help you here, sorry |
| 22:46.28 | stew | bobbycobain: you shouldn't have to tell x to use the driver, it should automatically do so unless you tell it otherwise, you might try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 22:46.30 | ubd | why do you use the word cant rather than wont, and you speak for many, but not only for yourself |
| 22:46.51 | abrotman | ubd: the channel policy says we cannot |
| 22:46.54 | onetinsoldier | bobbycobain: the line in there will be under 'Section "Device" and it will look like this for example... Driver "vesa" |
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| 22:47.09 | bobbycobain | i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:47.51 | stew | ubd: i'm sorry that you don't like the topic of this channel, but it's not up for negotiation, and I say can't becuase this is the channel policy |
| 22:47.59 | ubd | whatever if anyone can help pls msg me |
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| 22:48.21 | clever | time debootstrap --keep-debootstrap-dir $release . |
| 22:48.24 | clever | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /media/mainlv/lenny/. mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 22:48.40 | onetinsoldier | bobbycobain: you don't have a 'Driver' line at all under your 'Section "Device"'... so you will need to add it in |
| 22:48.58 | dustybin | how\ are\ you\ today\ clever\ |
| 22:49.12 | clever | dustybin: it looks like mount doesnt exist within the chroot:S |
| 22:49.22 | stew | note that he should NOT expect to find a Driver line in his xorg.conf |
| 22:49.28 | clever | /bin/ doesnt even exist |
| 22:49.42 | twobitsprite | mounting proc always makes me think of usenet |
| 22:49.47 | stew | bobbycobain: put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin |
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| 22:49.58 | twobitsprite | as in, alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork |
| 22:50.12 | clever | root@theP4:/media/mainlv/lenny# chroot /media/mainlv/lenny/. mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 22:50.16 | clever | chroot: cannot run command `mount': No such file or directory |
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| 22:50.33 | twobitsprite | clever: ls /bin/mount |
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| 22:50.44 | abrotman | in the chroot |
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| 22:50.50 | stew | he means ls /media/mainlv/lenny/bin/mount i guess |
| 22:50.56 | clever | root@theP4:/media/mainlv/lenny# ls bin/ |
| 22:50.56 | clever | ls: cannot access bin/: No such file or directory |
| 22:51.00 | twobitsprite | ohh... missed the first comment :P |
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| 22:51.16 | clever | debootstrap dev etc var |
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| 22:51.20 | clever | thats the entire chroot |
| 22:52.10 | infinity2 | what is a good way to replicate your home directory? i have a bunch of home directories on systems that aren't connected via NFS |
| 22:52.11 | stew | clever: can you show us the output of "mount"? |
| 22:52.26 | infinity2 | i'm asking because I want to replicate my environement scripts and what not |
| 22:52.43 | clever | stew: its long, 19 lines long |
| 22:52.51 | stew | clever: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:52.56 | clever | stew: but nothing is mounted under /media/mainlv/lenny/ |
| 22:53.14 | stew | clever: what options is the partition containing that directory mounted with? |
| 22:53.25 | clever | /dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv on /media/mainlv type ext3 (rw) |
| 22:53.35 | stephen_ | I have almost set up a modem to dial the isp - seems I cannot access the pppd - do I need to add user to group dip? |
| 22:53.39 | stew | clever: is the volume full? |
| 22:53.48 | clever | stew: 1.7gig free |
| 22:53.53 | valdyn | infinity2: man tar, man rsync, man cp, choice is yours |
| 22:53.54 | abrotman | stephen_: yes |
| 22:54.09 | infinity2 | valdyn: ah. google has a great idea. svn! |
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| 22:55.11 | clever | stew: i forgot to check the log:P |
| 22:55.17 | clever | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 7: cannot open /media/mainlv/lenny/./var/lib/apt/lists/debootstrap.invalid_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages: No such file |
| 22:55.21 | clever | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 7: cannot open /media/mainlv/lenny/./var/lib/apt/lists/debootstrap.invalid_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages: No such file |
| 22:55.33 | clever | that would be explained by the other error |
| 22:55.36 | clever | W: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt |
| 22:55.44 | stephen_ | abrotman: did so and still have an error - will look at tomorrow. |
| 22:55.55 | abrotman | stephen_: uh ok |
| 22:56.04 | clever | so for some reason, i cant download the package list right |
| 22:56.07 | clever | and all my packages are missing |
| 22:56.13 | adnc | can someone make a sugestion for a two person irc server which can also handle ssl encryption? |
| 22:56.20 | clever | probly leading to it just trying to chroot in with nothing installed |
| 22:56.22 | stephen_ | abrotman: thanks anyway |
| 22:56.51 | abrotman | ste |
| 22:56.52 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:56.54 | onetinsoldier | bobbycobain: i have a suggestion. first... leave X. then make a backup of your xorg.conf file.. call it xorg.conf.old or something. then, run the followinf command(you cannot be in X for this).... Xorg -configure. that will create a new /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. THEN, edit in your nvdia driver in the 'Section "Device"' area |
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| 22:57.12 | onetinsoldier | s/followinf/following |
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| 22:57.55 | abrotman | lenny doesn't have that section by default |
| 22:58.34 | clever | abrotman: what section? |
| 22:58.43 | stew | a Device section |
| 22:58.56 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: i beleive it will if does the Xorg -configure command at the console |
| 22:58.57 | stew | but X -configure creates an explicit xorg.conf that has one |
| 22:59.18 | clever | ahh |
| 22:59.18 | stew | but in general, one shouldn't be needed |
| 22:59.21 | onetinsoldier | he pasted in his entire Xorg.0.log file to me in a /msg.... lol |
| 22:59.27 | clever | i dont think i even have a xorg.conf :P |
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| 22:59.37 | stew | i guess he doens't want the rest of us to help! :) |
| 22:59.38 | clever | i just installed xserver-xorg and 'it worked' |
| 22:59.38 | micols | how do i disable write cache using hdparm or some other util on my sata controller+disk ? |
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| 23:00.19 | onetinsoldier | bobbycobain: learn the #debian etiquette.. you use pastebin.. you don't /msg people entire log file please |
| 23:01.01 | Shadow_Master | how can I stop the font "Helvetica" from taking precedence over my favorite truetype fonts in applications ? |
| 23:01.28 | stew | Shadow_Master: which applications? |
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| 23:01.39 | onetinsoldier | bobbycobain: or another alternative is to invite them to the #flood channel |
| 23:01.41 | Shadow_Master | Iceweasel and Konqueror |
| 23:02.03 | Shadow_Master | the pages I vist have that fonts in first order somewhere in their stylesheets |
| 23:02.21 | Guerin | Shadow_Master: tell those apps to use yopur fonts, not the site's fonts |
| 23:02.21 | MoDaX | Shadow_Master: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and ask to disable bitmap fonts |
| 23:02.28 | onetinsoldier | clever: then you do have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file then |
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| 23:02.53 | clever | onetinsoldier: cant check, i have since done a rm -r on the root, and now it wont install |
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| 23:03.04 | onetinsoldier | clever: nice? |
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| 23:03.12 | clever | i was removing the compiler chain |
| 23:03.18 | clever | W: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt |
| 23:03.20 | Shadow_Master | MoDaX: but that would not allow me to use bitmap fonts in e.g. terminal emulators |
| 23:03.22 | onetinsoldier | as they say in linux.... got root? |
| 23:03.30 | Guerin | got fail? |
| 23:03.36 | clever | onetinsoldier: i used root on the nfs server to nuke the / for a nfs booting client |
| 23:03.39 | Guerin | fail appears to be present in abundance |
| 23:03.50 | onetinsoldier | clever: hmmm, ok |
| 23:04.04 | clever | but now debootstrap wont install again |
| 23:04.11 | onetinsoldier | clever: i know nothing about nfs |
| 23:04.22 | clever | nfs isnt the problem |
| 23:04.33 | clever | im running debootstrap on the server |
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| 23:05.28 | MoDaX | Shadow_Master: then change fontconfig preferences by editing its config files |
| 23:05.38 | onetinsoldier | clever: well i was only responding to you. i have not been following any of your messages prior to that. i do not know what your problem is. i was busy helping another fellow. just an fyi |
| 23:06.14 | clever | i think the problem is related to the Packages.{bz2,gz} files |
| 23:07.00 | stoned | what happened to apt? |
| 23:07.14 | clever | stoned: apt-get update problems? |
| 23:07.19 | stoned | no |
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| 23:07.25 | trux | hi |
| 23:07.26 | linuxmain | hi |
| 23:07.34 | onetinsoldier | wonders what year bobbycobain /msg of his entire x logfile will end |
| 23:07.35 | stoned | enouf is complaining about apt-cache sucking now |
| 23:07.36 | stoned | or soemthing |
| 23:07.37 | trux | Debian is an awfull desktop |
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| 23:08.02 | stoned | I was just wondering what happened to it |
| 23:08.08 | stoned | apparantly its a lot slower now/ |
| 23:08.18 | clever | its refusing to even install here |
| 23:08.36 | onetinsoldier | pfft... trux was to chicken to stay after that slander |
| 23:08.44 | enouf | stoned: TONS |
| 23:09.00 | stoned | and how did you find that out? |
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| 23:09.02 | MoDaX | trux was a troll |
| 23:09.04 | enouf | it's SLOW AS SHIT now |
| 23:09.06 | stoned | enouf, did you run some bendmarks |
| 23:09.08 | onetinsoldier | MoDaX: ya |
| 23:09.10 | stoned | bendharms |
| 23:09.12 | stoned | fuck... |
| 23:09.14 | stoned | bemchmarks |
| 23:09.19 | stoned | this keyboard man, I swear to god |
| 23:09.31 | enouf | stoned: my p2 is my benchmark tool you weenie |
| 23:09.33 | clever | 90% of my slowdowns with dpkg/apt are fragmentation of the files |
| 23:09.46 | clever | a fresh install is insanely fast at installing |
| 23:09.57 | clever | my current systems sit at reading packages for 30+ seconds |
| 23:10.14 | enouf | [17:55:10] <enouf> scumsuckers |
| 23:10.14 | enouf | [17:59:37] <enouf> are you fucken kidding me? |
| 23:10.14 | enouf | [17:59:46] <enouf> apt-cache show bitlbee ... 10 seconds later? |
| 23:10.35 | onetinsoldier | clever: regardless of how good the ext3 filesystem is i do wish there were a defragger for it |
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| 23:10.45 | onetinsoldier | wonders if ext4 will come with one |
| 23:10.45 | clever | onetinsoldier: i made one:P |
| 23:10.46 | stoned | enouf, you have a p2? |
| 23:10.53 | llimeht | enouf: get a better computer already! |
| 23:10.54 | onetinsoldier | clever: you did!?!? |
| 23:10.57 | stoned | why havn't I kicked your ass yet? |
| 23:11.04 | clever | onetinsoldier: using the 'filefrag' program, you can see how badly fragmented a file is |
| 23:11.09 | enouf | stoned: i am going to hunt you down and club you like a seal pup |
| 23:11.11 | stoned | you know its getting really hard to be your friend anymore ;) |
| 23:11.14 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:11.15 | clever | onetinsoldier: using find sort and cut, you can find the worst file |
| 23:11.18 | stoned | a p2 |
| 23:11.18 | onetinsoldier | clever: interesting... |
| 23:11.20 | stoned | damn man |
| 23:11.33 | enouf | llimeht: why? |
| 23:11.35 | stoned | enouf, so how did you discover and which version of apt? |
| 23:11.44 | stoned | enouf, did you downgrade apt to a prev version and stuff? |
| 23:11.44 | enouf | llimeht: earlier APT versions work fine |
| 23:11.46 | stoned | was it faster? |
| 23:11.48 | clever | onetinsoldier: then if you cp it, and replace the original(cp $worst temp;mv temp $worst) youll let it reallocate the blocks |
| 23:11.50 | llimeht | enouf: because then we wouldn't have to listen to you complain |
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| 23:11.58 | clever | onetinsoldier: the only problem is soft/hard links |
| 23:12.01 | enouf | llimeht: or .. are you one of those FRAMEWORKS fellas? |
| 23:12.17 | onetinsoldier | clever: oh |
| 23:12.18 | llimeht | huh? |
| 23:12.22 | enouf | maybe a Bloated Behemoth lover |
| 23:12.30 | clever | onetinsoldier: i made a php/sqlite script to filefrag every file on the system, and then let me just search the index |
| 23:12.34 | MoDaX | ext4? btrfs is the future |
| 23:12.49 | clever | its faster then redoing the filefrag on 500gig after moving 5gig |
| 23:12.58 | enouf | stoned: etch's version is fine - Lenny's sucks hairy smelly ass |
| 23:13.27 | onetinsoldier | clever: well, i just have hope that ext4 will have a defrag util. |
| 23:13.34 | enouf | stoned: it's the aptitude wannabees - they've infiltrated the ranks - we must --purge!!! |
| 23:13.56 | infinity2 | apt is broken in lenny? |
| 23:14.11 | llimeht | enouf: can't say I can see any differences there... takes 1.4s on both etch and lenny machines of similar specs |
| 23:14.14 | enouf | This is enough to really make me want to look elsewhere ... ffs |
| 23:14.27 | Shadow_Master | meh, the fonts.conf manpage is such a mess |
| 23:14.30 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: what makes you ask that? |
| 23:14.54 | enouf | listen folks - run your own tests - read the changelogs ... |
| 23:15.03 | llimeht | dpkg --purge enouf |
| 23:15.03 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up enouf all over llimeht and lehkor... |
| 23:15.10 | MoDaX | Shadow_Master: fontconfig and its XMLs are a mess. that why I suggest to get rid of those ancient fonts once and for all |
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| 23:15.21 | llimeht | fail ;( |
| 23:15.42 | onetinsoldier | llimeht: hehe... |
| 23:15.44 | stew | enouf: apt-cache show bitlbee 0.00s user 0.00s system 57% cpu 0.007 total |
| 23:15.53 | stew | enouf: with 0.7.19 |
| 23:16.05 | enouf | ii apt 0.7.18 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 23:16.20 | stew | judd: versions apt |
| 23:16.21 | judd | stew: apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1 lenny: 0.7.18 sid: 0.7.19+b1 experimental: 0.7.20~exp1 |
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| 23:16.53 | enouf | tries an upgrade |
| 23:17.05 | stew | tries a downgrade |
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| 23:17.37 | infinity2 | onetinsoldier: stoned and enouf comments |
| 23:18.00 | sigius | Hi, what would be the canonical way to, as root, make it impossible for a particular user to ssh into the system ? |
| 23:18.15 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: roger... my lenny apt is working just fine, as far as a i know. |
| 23:18.22 | infinity2 | onetinsoldier: ditto |
| 23:18.23 | MoDaX | sigius: set shell to /bin/false |
| 23:18.32 | llimeht | sigius: userdel. |
| 23:18.32 | stew | enouf: with 0.7.18: apt-cache show bitlbee 0.00s user 0.01s system 74% cpu 0.011 total |
| 23:18.40 | infinity2 | sigius: sshd_config file has options for that |
| 23:18.43 | enouf | i'm going to presume that something was fixed between these point releases ... if not, i'm going back to 0.65 |
| 23:18.44 | infinity2 | sigius: other ways as well |
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| 23:19.37 | stew | sigius: what should they be allowed to do? should they be able to login to other services? |
| 23:19.41 | infinity2 | i'm about to upgrade a server to lenny. don't tell me it has bugs :) |
| 23:19.47 | sigius | Ok, that (mostly) helpfull, and what would be the canonical way to, as root, make it impossible for a particular GROUP of user to ssh into the system ? |
| 23:19.56 | onetinsoldier | apt-cahe show initramfs tools returned/responded almost immediately here... |
| 23:19.59 | stew | infinity2: if it didn't have bugs, it would be the stable release right now |
| 23:20.00 | enouf | stew: thank you for the information - but to me, i noticed a slowdown since 7.x .. but i only noticed it as horrible very recently |
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| 23:20.12 | sigius | stew: ftp and login to a CMS |
| 23:20.21 | infinity2 | and if it does. i don't want to know. its bugfree in my imaginative world |
| 23:20.38 | seldon | sigius: Use the AllowUsers option in sshd_config, or the AllowGroups option and lump allowed users in a special group. |
| 23:20.55 | llimeht | enouf: is this reproducible? i.e. does the same apt-cache search still take a long time? |
| 23:21.01 | enouf | * Rebuild in a clean environment |
| 23:21.02 | stew | sigius: set their shell to /bin/false and configure your ftp server to not require a valid shell |
| 23:21.45 | infinity2 | here goes nothing: 302 upgraded, 57 newly installed, 6 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 23:21.50 | llimeht | infinity2: stop |
| 23:21.54 | infinity2 | eh? |
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| 23:22.09 | llimeht | dpkg: tell infinity2 about etch->lenny |
| 23:22.15 | onetinsoldier | apt-cache doesn't need any network connection, so, must be your comp or some old crap from doing to many dist-upgrades without having done a clean install, or cleaning out apt's cache, is all i can think of |
| 23:23.10 | llimeht | infinity2: the recommended procedure is to first upgrade dpkg and aptitude and then upgrade in two steps as per the isntructions the dpkg bot just sent you. |
| 23:23.18 | sigius | thanks all, I think i'll be going the Allow{Groups|Users} option. |
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| 23:23.59 | enouf | stew: phew ! ... much faster now .. thanks |
| 23:24.21 | infinity2 | llimeht: hmm |
| 23:24.45 | infinity2 | llimeht: do i have to use aptitude? I never figured it out after it replaced its predicesor ...which i forgot what it was called |
| 23:25.00 | infinity2 | llimeht: i have only used the dpkg command for ages |
| 23:25.18 | infinity2 | er apt command |
| 23:25.23 | stew | enouf: what made it faster? |
| 23:25.24 | infinity2 | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:25.37 | infinity2 | i'm oldskewl |
| 23:25.41 | stew | infinity2: aptitude / dpkg from lenny is strongly encouraged |
| 23:25.49 | llimeht | enouf: I suspect that there's a better chance that it's just your cache being cold the first time. The changelog show stuff all important changes to apt between those two releases. |
| 23:26.18 | infinity2 | fuck man i hate these ncurses thinsg |
| 23:26.24 | enouf | stew: moving up from 0.7.18 to recent sid version 0.7.19+b1 |
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| 23:26.32 | llimeht | infinity2: you don't need to go anywhere near it. |
| 23:26.37 | stew | enouf: odd, 0.7.18 is not a problem for me |
| 23:26.51 | onetinsoldier | same here... 0.7.18 is fine here |
| 23:26.58 | enouf | stew: let me try another pkgname .. one sec |
| 23:26.59 | infinity2 | here goes... i'll fllow the bot instructions |
| 23:27.01 | eldowan | infinity2: aptitude install <package> is equivelant to apt-get install <package>. |
| 23:27.01 | infinity2 | thanks |
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| 23:27.34 | infinity2 | stew: why is aptitude recommend? is it smarter? |
| 23:27.40 | stoned | eldowan, great article |
| 23:27.46 | stew | infinity2: yes |
| 23:28.01 | stew | infinity2: its better at handling complex dependency situations |
| 23:28.03 | stoned | enouf, I see no problem in apt now even |
| 23:28.04 | enouf | stew: apt-cache show hdp[TAB] .. wait (is fast - was slow as molasses earlier) then Enter once it completes ~$ apt-cache show hdparm <-- fast now |
| 23:28.05 | stoned | it works just as fine |
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| 23:28.10 | SuperNick | hi |
| 23:28.10 | linuxmain | hola |
| 23:28.12 | stoned | enouf, then again I have a 3500mhz core 2 |
| 23:28.14 | SuperNick | how to use top with 4 core cpus ? |
| 23:28.16 | stoned | and you have a dang p2 |
| 23:28.17 | infinity2 | stew: so for complex things, like major upgrades, i should use aptitude, but for everything else i can use apt-get ? |
| 23:28.21 | stoned | who knows if its apt or you |
| 23:28.23 | stoned | :) |
| 23:28.44 | stoned | infinity2, do NOT mix them both |
| 23:28.47 | stew | infinity2: sure. we'd recommend using aptitude for everything |
| 23:28.47 | stoned | use one and stick with it |
| 23:28.49 | Qew | infinity2: apparently. Nothing wrong with using apt-get, though. Still, if you do choose to go with aptitude, then do an "aptitude keep-all" first. That should ensure that aptitude doesn't start removing stuff you don't want it to,. |
| 23:28.59 | infinity2 | stoned: i can't use apt-get and aptitude? wtf? why not? |
| 23:28.59 | llimeht | enouf: since tab completion is independent of apt, that can't have solved it. |
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| 23:29.05 | stoned | infinity2, you can |
| 23:29.08 | stew | infinity2: you can |
| 23:29.09 | stoned | you shouldnlt' |
| 23:29.29 | llimeht | stoned: there only reason not to mix them in lenny/sid is the different "hold" database. |
| 23:29.42 | llimeht | s/there/the/ |
| 23:29.42 | enouf | llimeht: i used it earlier as well, so as to use exact same procedure - please read more closely |
| 23:29.43 | stew | infinity2: there is no reason why you shouldn't |
| 23:30.01 | enouf | llimeht: nobody said tab completion had anything to do with it |
| 23:30.27 | stew | the tab completion does call apt though, doesn't it? or is it parsing the files itself? |
| 23:30.38 | onetinsoldier | different hole database? don't they both get this info frmo /var/lib/dpkg/status file? |
| 23:30.44 | onetinsoldier | s/hole/hold |
| 23:30.46 | stoned | oh tab completion is horrible if you use it is it slow as balls |
| 23:30.58 | stew | onetinsoldier: yes, different database |
| 23:31.01 | infinity2 | this is an educational conversation btw. |
| 23:31.08 | onetinsoldier | stew: ok, roger... new to me |
| 23:31.24 | stoned | onetinsoldier, why do you think conflicts happen if you don't take measures. |
| 23:31.24 | enouf | llimeht: now - what i may do is force a downgrade - back to 0.7.18 and see if i can reproduce the s-l-o-w-n-e-s-s |
| 23:31.26 | stew | onetinsoldier: aptitude has more states than the set that dselsect provides |
| 23:31.32 | infinity2 | i usually just ignore everything and do my thing. :) |
| 23:32.12 | infinity2 | stew: oh yes! dselect... aptitudes predicesor |
| 23:32.16 | onetinsoldier | stew: yeah, true. i've have mixed them a litle, but not much. andi don't have anything on 'hold'. but i didn't know about the different db's. |
| 23:32.33 | llimeht | enouf: *you* also mentioned that tab completion had sped up as a result of this upgrade. |
| 23:32.41 | infinity2 | i almost never use hold |
| 23:32.47 | Shadow_Master | awww. I thought blacklisting this bitmap font would fix my problems with iceweasel |
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| 23:32.49 | infinity2 | maybe twice in my life |
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| 23:33.20 | onetinsoldier | i've used it plenty, but not on my current insallation |
| 23:33.21 | Shadow_Master | iceweasel still thinks it is funny to display some text at gigantic sizes, while others not, in a single page |
| 23:33.21 | lfaraone | Hi, I'm running netselect-apt, but it returns an IP (rather than a FQDN) that does not work, how can I ask it to give me the "second best">? |
| 23:33.23 | infinity2 | is dselect still around? it should be removed. |
| 23:33.23 | enouf | llimeht: yes - true - so, maybe there was some other system anamoly occuring that manifested itself as everything being slow |
| 23:33.27 | stew | onetinsoldier: aptitude lets you do things that dselect doesn't, for example forbid specific versions, and so it has its own database. apt/aptitude also have separate databases for tracking auto-installed packages |
| 23:33.38 | llimeht | stew: you're right, the tab completion for apt-cache does use apt-cache too... thought it used dpkg for that. |
| 23:33.46 | enouf | now - i will downgrade - and try again |
| 23:33.49 | onetinsoldier | stew: roger that. good to know. thank you! |
| 23:33.59 | llimeht | enouf: that's why I was wondering about the kernel cache. |
| 23:34.04 | CalebRipley | I what to start programs with transparency via xcompmgr. I am using fvwm as wm. Isn't it possible to config the transparency for programs via .Xdefault? |
| 23:34.08 | infinity2 | tewd |
| 23:34.21 | infinity2 | stew: ditto what ontinsoldier staid |
| 23:34.23 | infinity2 | er said |
| 23:34.26 | onetinsoldier | CalebRipley: in ubuntu? |
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| 23:34.59 | CalebRipley | onetinsoldier, No Debian Lenny. |
| 23:35.09 | onetinsoldier | CalebRipley: ok |
| 23:35.23 | onetinsoldier | goes to look at what xcompmgr is |
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| 23:36.48 | infinity2 | aptitude says my world is broke! |
| 23:36.49 | infinity2 | The following packages are BROKEN: apt-utils dpkg libc6 libc6-dev locales |
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| 23:37.08 | infinity2 | ?? i think atitude is on crack. :) |
| 23:37.19 | lfaraone | infinity2: or you messed up your system. |
| 23:37.23 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: well, is that because you rm'd the root dor? |
| 23:37.23 | stew | infinity2: what command gave you that error? |
| 23:37.28 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: well, is that because you rm'd the root dir? |
| 23:37.40 | infinity2 | aptitude install dpkg aptitude |
| 23:37.43 | llimeht | onetinsoldier: wtf? |
| 23:38.00 | infinity2 | my system was perfectly fine. i updated sources.list |
| 23:38.06 | infinity2 | apt-get -f install never had a problem before. |
| 23:38.16 | stew | twobitsprite: can you show us the entire output? ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:38.21 | stew | infinity2: ^^^ |
| 23:38.24 | onetinsoldier | <clever> onetinsoldier: cant check, i have since done a rm -r on the root, and now it wont install |
| 23:38.28 | stew | twobitsprite: i don't know why i'm talking to you |
| 23:38.34 | infinity2 | sure. |
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| 23:38.38 | onetinsoldier | <clever> onetinsoldier: i used root on the nfs server to nuke the / for a nfs booting client |
| 23:38.38 | stew | infinity2: its likely that you just want it to fix those dependencies |
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| 23:39.45 | enouf | stew: fwiw, some things i have done a bit different since last reboot a) mount my / using 'noatime' option b) disabled all /etc/cron.daily scripts from running and c) i let one of my girlfriends touch my computer while i was sleeping :-/ |
| 23:39.48 | infinity2 | http://pastebin.com/mc7f06f2 |
| 23:40.07 | infinity2 | stew: i have backported stuff in the past. maybe thats why its unhappy? |
| 23:40.40 | enouf | ok - so 0.7.18 is reinstalled now (replaces newer sid version sid: 0.7.19+b1) |
| 23:40.53 | lfaraone | enouf: "one of my girlfriends"? 0_o |
| 23:40.56 | stew | enouf: its probably udev's fault |
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| 23:41.16 | onetinsoldier | enouf: fwiw, i'm using -noatime on all my partitions |
| 23:41.16 | infinity2 | my apt is 0.6.46.4-0.1 |
| 23:41.35 | llimeht | infinity2: aptitude is only telling you that if it did *only* "aptitude install dpkg aptitude" then the packages would be broken, but that it can resolve your problems by also doing the things listed in lines 76 onwards on your paste. |
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| 23:42.05 | stew | infinity2: this all looks fine to me, i'd let it do what it wants to do. backporting should not be a problem |
| 23:42.07 | llimeht | infinity2: from the last couple of etch->lenny upgrades that I did, that output is normal and fine. |
| 23:42.08 | enouf | stew: i concur .. :-p |
| 23:42.34 | infinity2 | llimeht: aptitude is too smart for me. i'm use to taking an hour to fixing everything manually using dpkg force and stuff |
| 23:42.37 | infinity2 | :) |
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| 23:43.01 | llimeht | infinity2: force?? please leave your dirty redhat habits at the door. |
| 23:43.03 | stew | infinity2: its saying "if i upgrade aptitude i have to upgradde libc6, if i upgrade libc6 it would break libc6-dev, so i better upgrade that too" |
| 23:43.10 | enouf | stew: welp - turns out 0.7.18 is a'ok after all - this time i chose "apt-cache show procp[TAB]" which completes to 'procps' then ENTER - it's fast as well |
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| 23:43.58 | llimeht | enouf: cold cache? |
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| 23:43.59 | enouf | Sorry about all the easily fixable noise folks |
| 23:44.03 | llimeht | :) |
| 23:44.12 | enouf | llimeht: must've been something going screwy on me - i think my gf enabled sending all commands to all shells at once or something |
| 23:44.16 | onetinsoldier | llimeht: --force can be your friend, if your running sid |
| 23:44.33 | infinity2 | llimeht: ahhaha. yea, well. that only happens when you start backporting core stuff |
| 23:44.38 | infinity2 | llimeht: but yes, i agree :) |
| 23:44.48 | amphi | --force is rarely a friend in my experience |
| 23:44.51 | llimeht | onetinsoldier: not really... you're usually better off with a lenny/sid mix and then you don't need to force anything |
| 23:45.00 | onetinsoldier | hmmm, ok |
| 23:45.09 | llimeht | infinity2: can't say I've ever needed to force things when backporting |
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| 23:46.07 | infinity2 | llimeht: you probably have a better method. in the end i run apt-get -f install. if it dones't complain, then i'm fine |
| 23:46.22 | colouragga | How would one generate a list of all isntalled packages? |
| 23:46.29 | stew | enouf: try restarting the gamp torrents and see if apt gets slow again |
| 23:46.35 | llimeht | infinity2: -f is for fix not force. |
| 23:46.49 | infinity2 | llimeht: yes. thats to make sure all my forces and packages worked out |
| 23:47.14 | infinity2 | llimeht: it works, but prolly not the best way |
| 23:47.23 | llimeht | yuck. Just make your own repo and let apt do it all itself. /msg dpkg own repo |
| 23:47.24 | onetinsoldier | colouragga: you might want the dpkg --get-selections > <my_pkg_filename_here> command |
| 23:47.46 | llimeht | colouragga: /msg dpkg aptitude clone ; /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 23:48.05 | infinity2 | here goes! |
| 23:48.11 | onetinsoldier | colouragga: dpkg --get-selections > my_pkg_filename_here or what llimeht suggests |
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| 23:49.14 | enouf | stew: there was nothing unusual that i was doing - hence my ire ... i only have streaming live radio most times going, so nothing unusual there |
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| 23:49.36 | infinity2 | onetinsoldier: thats what i thought too. damn ...i need to get on this aptitude stuff |
| 23:49.44 | infinity2 | i'm behind |
| 23:49.46 | llimeht | enouf: depends on whether you consider gamp torrents normal or not then, really. |
| 23:49.51 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: yeah, me too apparently |
| 23:49.51 | enouf | stew: i'm not hitting swap or anything either |
| 23:50.06 | enouf | llimeht: gamp reminds me of vamp :-) |
| 23:50.13 | infinity2 | onetinsoldier: its like debV2 :) |
| 23:50.15 | infinity2 | or something |
| 23:50.17 | llimeht | enouf: whatever does it for you ... |
| 23:50.47 | enouf | or ... 'gramps' - as stoned would say :-P |
| 23:50.50 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: ai guess us hands on low level guys are getting to be a rare breed, lol |
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| 23:52.18 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: i just used to use low level dpkg commands a lot because i used to run sid years ago. i haven't used linux since that time until somewhat recently. still getting rid of the cobwebs |
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