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| 00:00.41 | Nyha | Can anyone tell me about sysvinit-ng, is it good? how do I set it up. |
| 00:01.12 | infinity2 | whats the {a} mean in this ? The following NEW packages will be installed: bash-completion{a} |
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| 00:02.12 | onetinsoldier | autopmatic? there is a difference bewtween manually install stuff and stuff that get installed automticaally to satisfy deps |
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| 00:02.18 | onetinsoldier | automatic* |
| 00:02.35 | onetinsoldier | sorry about mutiple typos |
| 00:02.45 | sebbs | if i want to find devices supported by debian (smartphones) where should i look? |
| 00:02.54 | abrotman | the kernel |
| 00:03.21 | sebbs | kernel? |
| 00:03.27 | abrotman | sebbs: or individual applicatoins |
| 00:03.35 | sebbs | like arm phones |
| 00:03.46 | abrotman | sebbs: the kernel has to know what the device is .. and the applications have to have the ability to deal with them |
| 00:03.50 | Guerin | sebbs: debian doesn't support hardware. The linux kernel supports hardware. |
| 00:04.10 | sebbs | yeah but i meant the packages |
| 00:04.19 | sebbs | they need to be compiled to the correct arch |
| 00:04.32 | sebbs | sorry i am tired today |
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| 00:05.00 | sebbs | i would like to have a phone running debian basically. |
| 00:05.19 | sebbs | i saw openmoko and it seems ok, but i would like to know if there are more around |
| 00:05.26 | sebbs | dont know where to look for it |
| 00:05.35 | neoice | isnt there a way to put debian on the G1? |
| 00:05.44 | sebbs | was thinking perhaps debian had like a list of supported devices |
| 00:05.44 | stew | aiui, openmoko is good if you are an openmoko developer |
| 00:05.53 | abrotman | oh .. you want the phone to run debian .. not debian to access the phone |
| 00:06.04 | abrotman | sebbs: misunderstood the poorly phrased question .. sorry :) |
| 00:06.06 | sebbs | yeah run debian on the phone |
| 00:06.10 | sebbs | :) |
| 00:06.17 | sebbs | cos i wanna run mutt |
| 00:06.20 | sebbs | ;) |
| 00:06.41 | abrotman | sebbs: there's an arm channel on OFTC |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | sebbs: or check the openmoko stuff |
| 00:07.21 | sebbs | yea i guess |
| 00:07.27 | sebbs | ok thanks |
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| 00:10.09 | Zambezi | I'm not a big fan of gnome-terminal. It just shows a couple of colors. Is there an option to xterm? |
| 00:10.18 | infinity2 | hmm ..how do i verify my packages are all happy |
| 00:10.36 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: what do you mean it just shows a couple of colors? |
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| 00:10.57 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier: For example, it's not showing brown on the default palette. |
| 00:11.16 | abrotman | infinity2: debsums |
| 00:11.23 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: oh... hmm. well, powershell is another |
| 00:11.27 | infinity2 | abrotman: i mean dependencies etc |
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| 00:11.29 | niggles | hi |
| 00:11.30 | sebbs | Zambezi: terminator |
| 00:11.37 | sebbs | its da*n nice |
| 00:11.37 | abrotman | infinity2: that should happen automagically .. |
| 00:11.46 | sebbs | Zambezi: you can split windows and stuff, its crazy |
| 00:11.51 | infinity2 | i use to use apt-get -f install ,but not sure. guys are telling to use the "aptitude" stuff. heh |
| 00:11.59 | abrotman | damog: go home! |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | infinity2: for most things, you should be using aptitude now |
| 00:12.47 | damog | abrotman: ok |
| 00:12.48 | damog | gone |
| 00:12.51 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:12.53 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier, sebbs: It got alot better chaning from Tango to another, but still just like 20 colors. I want more, but I'll check your suggestions. Thank! |
| 00:13.15 | abrotman | Zambezi: you want more colors for what? |
| 00:13.39 | onetinsoldier | for a mutli-tab terminal |
| 00:13.54 | abrotman | didn't see any metion of tabs |
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| 00:14.23 | onetinsoldier | gnome-terminal is what he mentioned.. i am pretty sure he's wanting a multi-tab one |
| 00:14.25 | Zambezi | abrotman: To "style" Weechat better cause my new monitor is so bright, yellow color isn't really so good on white background. So I tried brown, but it wasn't in Tango-palette. |
| 00:14.53 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: and then he mentioned xterm in the same line |
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| 00:15.03 | abrotman | Zambezi: is yellow on white .. good on any monitor ? |
| 00:15.05 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: true enough |
| 00:15.19 | infinity2 | abrotman: how do i confirm this worked okay and that its done? "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 00:15.33 | abrotman | infinity2: try it again |
| 00:15.41 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: but.. he also mentioned something along the lines of a color pallatte chooser |
| 00:15.56 | abrotman | llimeht: trains .. :( |
| 00:15.56 | infinity2 | ahh... |
| 00:16.01 | onetinsoldier | pallete(sp?) |
| 00:16.07 | Zambezi | abrotman: No, but is it hell of a difference on a 15" 4:3 TFT Dellmonitor from 2002 compare with my new Samsung I got today. ;-) |
| 00:16.35 | infinity2 | after this i'm going to be scared to reboot |
| 00:16.36 | llimeht | abrotman: oh yes. |
| 00:16.37 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier: Edit - Profiles - Edit - Color |
| 00:16.39 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: are you lokking specifically for a multi-tab type of term? |
| 00:17.21 | abrotman | Zambezi: i think xterm does 256 colors .. but i honestly can't recall .. but you can set those colors |
| 00:18.05 | onetinsoldier | likes Eterm quite a bit |
| 00:18.16 | sebbs | eterm is quick |
| 00:18.18 | onetinsoldier | an oldie but a goody |
| 00:18.19 | sebbs | aterm is nice too |
| 00:18.37 | sebbs | but terminator is crazy i love the splitting window function |
| 00:18.43 | sebbs | cant live without it anymore |
| 00:18.48 | Guerin | rxvt-unicode wins all' |
| 00:18.56 | sebbs | why |
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| 00:19.13 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier: Nah, but I can check it out. It's an insane difference going from 15" 4:3 to 23" 16:9. I'm not used yet. It's so many more possibilties. |
| 00:19.13 | Guerin | because it can actually do unicode without lots of fucking about |
| 00:19.18 | Guerin | multiterm=screen] |
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| 00:19.40 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: roger that. nice! |
| 00:19.49 | abrotman | meh .. maybe i'm wrong |
| 00:22.45 | Zambezi | I didn't even have xterm installed so I'll give it a go soon and the other too of course. |
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| 00:31.26 | dansushi | how can i tell if my linux kernel supports raid? |
| 00:32.04 | cast | check /boot/config-* or zcat /proc/config.gz |
| 00:32.35 | abrotman | dansushi: is it a debian kernel or your own ? |
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| 00:33.10 | dansushi | debian |
| 00:33.35 | abrotman | you mean swraid? then yes it supports it |
| 00:34.01 | dansushi | I'm looking at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.6 right now, and it's saying that it's likely that my kernel doesn't have raid if /proc/mdstat doesn't exist. |
| 00:34.08 | dansushi | I'd like to find out for sure though |
| 00:34.14 | Zambezi | Guerin: It might a stupid question, but what's the difference between rxvt and rxvt-unicode? I tried a couple now and like rxvt best so far. |
| 00:35.12 | dansushi | abrotman: and if it is possible, how do i get mdstat to exist? must i install a new kernel? |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | the command ? |
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| 00:36.36 | abrotman | dansushi: did you read the swraid howto ? |
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| 00:36.56 | dansushi | from the link i gave you? |
| 00:37.01 | abrotman | link ? |
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| 00:37.15 | dansushi | <dansushi> I'm looking at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.6 right now, and it's saying that it's likely that my kernel doesn't have raid if /proc/mdstat doesn't exist. |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | oh .. missed it .. yes that one |
| 00:37.21 | dansushi | ah |
| 00:37.42 | dansushi | well, yeah.. but it looked like the step 5.2 was only if you had 5.1 correct |
| 00:37.44 | naiv | how do i choose which cpuburn i need ? |
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| 00:37.53 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: well, i would just look up Unicode on google. i can't tell you exactly. definitely a difference between just plain ascii and unicode tho! |
| 00:37.58 | dansushi | abrotman: which means having /proc/mdstat, which i don't |
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| 00:38.17 | abrotman | i thought that went away with the 2.4 kernels |
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| 00:38.52 | dansushi | oh |
| 00:38.55 | dansushi | is that the case? |
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| 00:39.01 | dansushi | that could be true |
| 00:39.14 | dansushi | this site seems to only refer to 2.4 and below |
| 00:39.22 | abrotman | it's sadly out of date |
| 00:39.36 | dansushi | do you know of a newer howto? |
| 00:39.39 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier: Cause it looks the same way, but I'll stick to rxvt for awhile now. I'll do some changes later to suit my needs. |
| 00:39.57 | dansushi | or is the rest ok, and all i must do is "apt-get install mdadm" |
| 00:40.04 | dansushi | and go from there |
| 00:40.42 | abrotman | http://unthought.net/Software-RAID.HOWTO/Software-RAID.HOWTO.html .. that seems to be the true home |
| 00:40.53 | seth1248 | I previously changed /etc/environment for proxy setting I needed. I no longer need them but even though I removed the lines in /etc/environment the proxy setting will not be undone even when doing source /etc/environment . What can I do? |
| 00:40.58 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: if you use the rxvt-unicode version.. it will work with all the things that rxvt does, plus stuff that has unicode compiled into it |
| 00:41.01 | abrotman | though they seem to be the same version |
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| 00:43.37 | seth1248 | What can I do if I can't run source /etc/environment? |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | why can't you ? |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | you can unset the env var |
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| 00:45.04 | seth1248 | The changes don't take place even when I reboot. How do I unset the env var? |
| 00:45.58 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier: Then I'll switch to the unicode-version and then do some more reading about it. I still have some more terminals to try more than just a glance. |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | unset |
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| 00:46.55 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: i just installed it myself, as i only the regular old rxvt installed here too. it seems you can have both installed at the same time |
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| 00:47.22 | onetinsoldier | goes to look at his /etc/alternatives |
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| 00:49.05 | L-i-n-k | hello to all, how can i automatically reboot my pc after fsck, im using 2.4 kernel |
| 00:49.33 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: after install rxvt-unicode.. run the follwing command.. update-alternative --config rxvt ...the 'urxvt' is the unicode one. you can choose between them with this command if you so desire |
| 00:49.50 | onetinsoldier | installing* following* |
| 00:49.59 | stew | wtf, resize2fs: Filesystem does not support online resizing |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | L-i-n-k: you really can't/shouldn't .. fsck may ask you questions so you can't type the command in .. |
| 00:50.06 | stew | i just did this on the same volume yesterday |
| 00:50.10 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier: You can. I have both too and like four more. |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | stew: you broked it |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | thinks stew is having a rough day |
| 00:50.37 | stew | i even got that command from recent history in the shell |
| 00:50.40 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: roger that i had total of three to choose form |
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| 00:50.46 | onetinsoldier | from! even |
| 00:51.24 | FoxM | Hi! I installed WengoPhone on my Lenny machine and it turns out that now WengoPhone is no more! It asks me to create a Wengo Account, but obviously I cannot do that anymore. How can I create an account / profile to use WengoPhone without a Wengo Account? |
| 00:51.44 | infinity2 | aaahahaha. .i'm so screwed. my etch system was using evms and it is gone. ()#*$)( IBM |
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| 00:52.05 | infinity2 | i upgraded to lenny and i probably can not reboot |
| 00:52.13 | infinity2 | wonderful! :) |
| 00:52.21 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: :-/ |
| 00:52.40 | L-i-n-k | it ask you to press ctrl D to reboot, what about automatically reboot after fsck, is that possible |
| 00:52.42 | infinity2 | lucky the datacenter is in the same city ..but SHIT |
| 00:52.46 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier: I tried mrxvt now and that seems to be nice. White background, good font and colors. |
| 00:53.16 | infinity2 | i might survive ...but damn, this is going to be amazing if i pull it off |
| 00:53.16 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: is this the one you rm'd the root dir of? |
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| 00:53.28 | Zambezi | onetinsoldier: It seems you can have tabs too, but I use screen instead. |
| 00:53.29 | onetinsoldier | Zambezi: roger.. i've used it before long ago |
| 00:53.33 | infinity2 | onetinsoldier: eh? not sure i've ever done that |
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| 00:53.55 | infinity2 | onetinsoldier: how do you rm -rf / and recover? |
| 00:54.09 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: ok.. earlier you said you rm'd the root dir of some installation to use it for nfs in some way |
| 00:54.31 | onetinsoldier | to which i replied i know nothing about nfs |
| 00:54.47 | infinity2 | onetinsoldier: no... maybe i mis-typed or you mis-read? |
| 00:54.55 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: roger.... |
| 00:54.55 | infinity2 | i said something about nfs and home directory replication |
| 00:55.02 | infinity2 | not rm -rf / |
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| 00:55.35 | infinity2 | anyway. if i reboot and get a login prompt. i'm a linux god. |
| 00:55.39 | Shadow_Master | how do I enable/install all possible locales without installing the actual translations? |
| 00:55.43 | onetinsoldier | <clever> onetinsoldier: cant check, i have since done a rm -r on the root, and now it wont install |
| 00:55.52 | FoxM | Hi! I installed WengoPhone on my Lenny machine and it turns out that now WengoPhone is no more! It asks me to create a Wengo Account, but obviously I cannot do that anymore. How can I create an account / profile to use WengoPhone without a Wengo Account? |
| 00:55.56 | infinity2 | onetinsoldier: clever isn't so clever |
| 00:56.03 | onetinsoldier | infinity2: ok.. i got you mixed up with that guy |
| 00:56.10 | onetinsoldier | my bad |
| 00:56.28 | infinity2 | i thought i was clever using evms. it is quite amazing software. |
| 00:56.38 | infinity2 | but ...somehow it died |
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| 00:56.51 | abrotman | FoxM: wengo isn't in debian .. ask them not us |
| 00:57.28 | llimeht | judd: versions wengophone |
| 00:57.28 | judd | llimeht: wengophone -- lenny: 2.1.2.dfsg0-6 sid: 2.1.2.dfsg0-6 |
| 00:58.23 | abrotman | oh :( |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | thought it was closed |
| 00:59.10 | llimeht | abrotman: no, not for at least 3 or so years |
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| 01:05.22 | FoxM | So now that it is clear that it exist ;) (aptitude search wengo) I suppose that you do not know how can I configure it to use another SIP server or something like that... right? :P |
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| 01:07.02 | stew | aha, after i resize once, i have to umount and fsck before i can resize again |
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| 01:07.31 | stew | stew: why didn't you just resize it bigger yesterday? |
| 01:07.57 | llimeht | ^^ first sign of madness |
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| 01:10.09 | stew | llimeht: its probably not the first, you probably missed a few |
| 01:10.35 | llimeht | heh |
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| 01:15.42 | somnambulant | i have a script located eg ~/bin/songbird/songbird -- is there a way to put a file called songbird into /usr/bin that basically just links to that script? |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | do you have root access ? |
| 01:16.08 | somnambulant | yes |
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| 01:17.02 | abrotman | somnambulant: you could symlink it from /usr/bin/ to your real script |
| 01:17.37 | somnambulant | that's what i was thinking. So what do you do just create an empty text file called songbird? |
| 01:18.17 | Dewi | somnambulant: no, use ln -s, look up symlinks |
| 01:18.24 | nsadmin | somnambulant: he just told you... you use a link |
| 01:18.27 | somnambulant | ok thx i will |
| 01:18.34 | nsadmin | man ln |
| 01:18.40 | somnambulant | i've made symlinks w/ folders but not with files.. ;) |
| 01:18.51 | nsadmin | ok, it's the same |
| 01:19.42 | nsadmin | btw, other than files and dirs, there are hardlinks, symbolic links and char/block special files... and they can all be the target of a symbolic link |
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| 01:25.34 | somnambulant | so would this be fine? ln -s -T ~/bin/songbird/songbird /usr/bin/songbird ? |
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| 01:41.34 | SerajewelKS | how do i debug issues with network-manager's openvpn configuration stuff? |
| 01:42.09 | SerajewelKS | i'm using pretty much the same config in a flat-file openvpn configuration and it works |
| 01:42.20 | SerajewelKS | so all i can assume is that network-manager is screwing up somewhere |
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| 01:43.00 | abrotman | shocker |
| 01:44.10 | punzada | network manager's lack of command line control has never sat right with me |
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| 01:45.31 | BYTE-Smasher | has anyone here installed xebian on an xbox? |
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| 01:46.11 | SerajewelKS | it at least makes it hard to debug |
| 01:46.25 | SerajewelKS | and it fails pretty much right away which tells me that it's not even actually trying anything |
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| 01:50.33 | RichiH | i need to create a simple bar chart from the command line. suggestions? |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | ========= |
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| 01:51.25 | abrotman | hides |
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| 01:54.18 | Nyha | Why does iceweasel/firefox scroll get so slow with compiz? |
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| 01:56.16 | nn-main | !moo |
| 01:56.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | RichiH: gnuplot? graphviz? |
| 01:57.06 | crn | how do i find which /dev are used by alsa? |
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| 01:58.03 | SerajewelKS | crn: they should be /dev/snd/* |
| 01:58.23 | RichiH | abrotman: yah, using gnuplot, already |
| 01:58.38 | crn | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 01:58.41 | adb | ls /dev/snd/ |
| 01:58.56 | crn | adb, thanks |
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| 01:59.04 | abrotman | pyxplot ? |
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| 02:04.22 | crn | i can't tell which dev is the mic in |
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| 02:05.47 | crn | i can't tell which dev is the mic (it's always in i guess) |
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| 02:06.48 | SerajewelKS | crn: there isn't usually a separate device for that |
| 02:06.49 | enouf | lshal | grep device_file | sort |
| 02:07.15 | SerajewelKS | crn: you pick which device you want to record from in the mixer and then record from the same device you usually record from |
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| 02:08.44 | enouf | smells skype |
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| 02:19.00 | crn | SerajewelKS, OK. I want to use memcoder. I have video coming from /dev/video0 and audio from mic in. memcoder seems to want to know what device the audio input is on. |
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| 02:21.17 | crn | SerajewelKS, it's a cheap video capture card. I'm just experimenting before getting a better card. |
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| 02:47.23 | Sebboh | Hi. I was using a utility to create a debian install, the utility just calls debootstrap.. Anywho it make a directory and chrooted there, started building an installation and then it crashed. Now I have a dev/ and a /proc in there that I can't delete. "operation not permitted". What do I do? |
| 02:47.36 | Sebboh | s/make/made/ |
| 02:47.38 | jberg | is there an easy way to use apt aptitude dpkg whatever to see where apt/aptitude has/will installed a package and where its files are unpacked? |
| 02:47.54 | Sebboh | jberg, dpkg -L yourpackage |
| 02:48.08 | Sebboh | only works for installed packages, of course. |
| 02:48.22 | jberg | thanks |
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| 02:51.26 | Octalot | "apt-file list yourpackage" works for uninstalled packages |
| 02:51.37 | AzMoo | Hey, I accidentally deleted my /etc/apache2 directory. How can I re-create it? |
| 02:53.15 | Sebboh | rm: cannot remove `base.root/dev/pts/0': Operation not permitted ... I'm root. |
| 02:53.20 | abrotman | !tell AzMoo about confmiss |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | AzMoo: the package is apache2.2-common |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | plus whatever modules you had installed that placed conf files there |
| 02:55.27 | \amethyst | Sebboh: /dev/pts is a virtual filesystem and doesn't permit creating or deleting files |
| 02:55.59 | \amethyst | Sebboh: you need to umount them |
| 02:56.04 | AzMoo | abrotman: awesome, thanks. |
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| 02:56.24 | \amethyst | Sebboh: (the ones inside the chroot that is) |
| 02:56.25 | Sebboh | \amethyst: this isn't /dev/pts, it's a sub directory of my home directory. unmount? Ok. :) |
| 02:56.55 | \amethyst | Sebboh: yeah, the chroot has /proc /dev/pts and possibly /dev mounted |
| 02:57.15 | \amethyst | Sebboh: mount | grep base.root to see the full list |
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| 02:58.47 | Sebboh | Yes, I see them mounted. Uh.. I see them mounted ..from my real system. That doesn't sound right. I mean, the shell and process that I was using earlier when I was doing the chroot stuff is long gone. My current shell is not a child of it. Shouldn't.. all of that have been "inside" that shell, and not affect my current real system? |
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| 02:59.19 | \amethyst | Sebboh: a chroot isn't a completely virtual system |
| 02:59.45 | \amethyst | Sebboh: only the current view of the filesystem is virtualized, and even then mounts still have a global effect |
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| 03:00.21 | \amethyst | Sebboh: if you mount /proc inside the chroot then you have actually mounted base.root/proc in the real filesystem |
| 03:00.43 | Sebboh | Isn't that potentially disasterous? I have two devpts mounted now, and two tmpfs. (Also one /proc and one proc, but that doesn't seem as bad because of the / difference..) |
| 03:01.21 | \amethyst | Sebboh: normally debootstrap would umount them itself, but you said it crashed |
| 03:01.28 | \amethyst | Sebboh: nah, just unmount the other copies |
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| 03:01.53 | \amethyst | Sebboh: remember, they're mounted under that base.root directory, not in the real /proc or /dev |
| 03:02.14 | \amethyst | Sebboh: so you just specify the path including base.root and it won't unmount the real ones |
| 03:02.15 | FoxM | Hi. I cannot suspend to disk using kpowersave. The result it is the same for suspend to ram: just like activating the screensaver. A 'cat /sys/power/state' returns 'mem disk', though. Is there something wrong with my PC? ;) |
| 03:02.43 | Sebboh | .. Hm, ohhh, I get it.. something that wants to use those doesn't address "devpts".. it addresses /dev/pts .. so even if there is an extra devpts mounted, the right one is still addressed. Did I get that right? |
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| 03:02.59 | \amethyst | Sebboh: correct |
| 03:03.15 | \amethyst | Sebboh: they had to be mounted because inside the chroot the "real" /dev/pts isn't visible |
| 03:03.35 | Sebboh | Thanks Lam. |
| 03:03.54 | Sebboh | .. or Am, rather, perhaps. :) |
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| 03:05.24 | OSUKid7 | hi, I'm trying to use ssh-add's -c attribute, and am getting SSH_AGENT_FAILURE. I think the problem has to do with SSH_ASKPASS not being set... but my real question is, how do I delete/kill all ssh-agents/keyrings so I can start over again? I have done ssh-add -D, but it still shows some keys when I then do ssh-add -l, and I am able to ssh to localhost without a passphrase/word... ideas? |
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| 03:07.08 | xoz | OSUKid7: try installing keychain |
| 03:08.58 | xoz | OSUKid7: and place this script somewhere in your .bashrc: http://pastebin.com/meeedb93 |
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| 03:09.42 | OSUKid7 | xoz: hmm ok, I'll give that a try |
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| 03:14.21 | OSUKid7 | xoz: awesome, looks like that worked. do I need to keep that in my .bashrc and have it load every time though? |
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| 03:18.03 | xoz | OSUKid7: yep |
| 03:18.21 | xoz | OSUKid7: if it finds the agent is ok, it will not create a new agent |
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| 03:19.50 | OSUKid7 | xoz: ah ok. thanks for the help. looks like everything's working now, and I feel a bit more secure with the SSH_ASKPASS prompt :) |
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| 03:20.40 | xoz | OSUKid7: it took me some time also to figure this out. now you will have secure communcation without the hassles of password authentication. |
| 03:21.50 | OSUKid7 | xoz: yeah, it's great. I've been using ssh pubkey auth with agent forwarding for awhile, but didn't know about the -c attribute, and was always a bit leary of forwarding my agent through untrusted systems |
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| 03:23.26 | AzMoo | Why, when I've uninstalled python2.5, is the python2.5 binary still there? |
| 03:24.05 | xoz | AzMoo: dpkg -L python2.5 to check the location of files |
| 03:24.06 | stew | AzMoo: you didn't yet uninstall the python2.5-minimal package |
| 03:25.01 | AzMoo | stew: right. So when I'm trying to remove something like python2.5, how should I be finding the packages to actually remove? |
| 03:25.15 | jtaji | AzMoo: dpkg -S $(which python) ... shows it's in python-minimal |
| 03:25.47 | AzMoo | great, thanks :) |
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| 03:27.33 | xoz | AzMoo: and you can rely on bash_completion to determine python-related files |
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| 03:30.01 | xoz | considers bash_completion to be a lifesaver |
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| 03:32.55 | Vasistha | hey y'all. is it possible to use the lenny netinst cd as a rescue disk? |
| 03:33.17 | Lagbolt | Vasistha, it has worked for me. depends on what you need it to do. . . what is your trouble |
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| 03:34.11 | \amethyst | Vasistha: as long as you can get network access when you're recovering... otherwise you're quite limited in what you can do |
| 03:34.34 | \amethyst | Vasistha: since you don't have access to much of the archive |
| 03:34.36 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: just trying to help a buddy get an old win98 computer online, I just need to boot a linux disk which can help me get online so I can transfer the file |
| 03:34.44 | Vasistha | it's really that dumb :P |
| 03:34.58 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 03:34.58 | dpkg | from memory, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 03:35.17 | Vasistha | there we go, thanks abrotman |
| 03:35.20 | nullboy | abrotman: thanks! |
| 03:35.36 | Lagbolt | Vasistha, you might want a liveCD |
| 03:35.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:36.03 | abrotman | wonders if Vasistha is helping nullboy |
| 03:36.03 | amphi | Vasistha: the sysresccd.org iso is quite nice |
| 03:36.16 | nullboy | abrotman: no, i'm just lurking and that was an interesting link |
| 03:36.22 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:36.37 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: yeah ... I've tried Timo's, and it's not recognizing the card; and grml won't even boot. And I'm low on CD-R's so I'm hesitant to play around! If I'm gonna burn one I'll prolly just put the network card driver on it ;) |
| 03:37.05 | Lagbolt | Vasistha, what is the network card? |
| 03:37.09 | Vasistha | amphi: I guess I oughtta pick it up for these rare cases where grml doesn't work. grml has just been a gem! |
| 03:37.31 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: oh it's a typical wired cardbus card from netgear. but win 98 needs drivers for everything. |
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| 03:38.03 | amphi | Vasistha: I've not used it; sysresc has been around for long - there's even a ppc iso ;) |
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| 03:46.30 | Vasistha | nice, got connected and files transferred with the lenny netinst! thanks, guys |
| 03:46.53 | simonrvn | wootage |
| 03:48.27 | abrotman | did we mess up ? |
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| 03:49.40 | betz-- | How can i check if there is a graphical interface on my remote debian server? |
| 03:50.05 | abrotman | hopefully there isn't |
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| 03:50.17 | Vasistha | betz--: you could check and see if X is running ... you can also check and see if X is installed |
| 03:50.57 | betz-- | Vasistha: how do i do that? I have shell access |
| 03:51.04 | abrotman | ps aux | grep X |
| 03:51.09 | yummycheese1 | i guess if you wanted to run x apps over ssh you might want to have x running on a server. But %99.9 of servers only have shell running |
| 03:51.10 | simonrvn | you could also remove it as it's useless - and opens up security issues - on a server |
| 03:51.18 | Vasistha | betz--: listen to abrotman |
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| 03:51.46 | Vasistha | betz--: I might prefer pgrep -l X, though, myself |
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| 03:52.27 | abrotman | or pgrep |
| 03:52.31 | abrotman | whoops |
| 03:52.35 | betz-- | Vasistha: i i try pgrep -l X, i get nothing, what does that mean? |
| 03:52.45 | Vasistha | betz--: that means X is not running |
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| 03:53.02 | betz-- | so ther's no graphical interface? |
| 03:53.20 | Vasistha | betz--: well, nothing is RUNNING. I'm pretty sure that test is pretty conclusive |
| 03:53.31 | Vasistha | betz--: if you want to know if one is installed: dpkg -l '*xorg*' |
| 03:53.50 | betz-- | ok, none |
| 03:54.27 | betz-- | thanks abrotman, simonrvn & Vasistha! |
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| 03:59.22 | simonrvn | enjoy |
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| 04:45.54 | AussieGuy | df is misreporting the amount of space used on my partition. Ive done a full "properties" of the / folder in nautilus, its counted everything totalling 11GB. df says this however.... /dev/sda3 47GB 38GB 8GB 84% / in other words 8GB free of 47GB, or much more than what the full file count nautilus did totalled |
| 04:46.30 | LooieENG_ | anyone know if the RTL8187B works in the latest Debian without modifcations? |
| 04:46.47 | AussieGuy | I noticed the problem when gedit refused to let me write a text file for "lack of space" |
| 04:47.13 | nullboy | AussieGuy: what does df without -h show you? |
| 04:47.50 | AussieGuy | with no -h or -B GB it says /dev/sda3 45718980 36407116 7007744 84% / |
| 04:47.58 | Tramp | !tell LooieENG_ about rtl-wifi |
| 04:50.03 | AussieGuy | its pretty strange |
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| 04:50.52 | AussieGuy | the first thing I did was to look for what files could be taking up that much space, but since nautilus said the total count of all files on the partition was only 11GB, not 30Gb there wasnt alot I could od |
| 04:51.31 | LooieENG_ | Tramp, sure it'll work? because it was supposed to work with Ubuntu, but it didn't |
| 04:51.40 | LooieENG_ | so I thought I'd try Debian (as I'm used to apt) |
| 04:51.56 | kunwon1 | AussieGuy, are you running df as root or with sudo? |
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| 04:52.14 | Tramp | LooieENG_: from the info in the factioid I think it will not work. Chech the link though. I don't know more than the factoid. |
| 04:52.20 | AussieGuy | with sudo |
| 04:52.30 | kunwon1 | AussieGuy, are you also running nautilus with sudo? |
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| 04:52.34 | AussieGuy | yep |
| 04:52.40 | AussieGuy | nautilus with sudo also |
| 04:52.51 | AussieGuy | to make sure it can see everything |
| 04:54.08 | LooieENG_ | Tramp. quick question, does Ubuntu/Debian get a list of wireless networks, or do you need to add them manually? |
| 04:55.05 | Tramp | LooieENG_: what do you mean by "get a list of wireless networks"? |
| 04:55.36 | LooieENG_ | like in Windows XP/Vista, and you choose yours, enter WEP/WPA and you're done |
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| 04:56.26 | karlpinc | If I do a make-kpkg and forget the --initrd, do I have to do a 'make-kpkg clean' or can I just re-run the build and add --initrd? |
| 04:56.42 | Tramp | LooieENG_: no idea. I configure my stuff manually. But I'm sure there are GUIs which sometimes work and do what you want. |
| 04:58.46 | vcat_ | Struggling to install flash 10 on unstable. I've tried flashplugin-nonfree from experimental as well as the deb from Adobe as well as via tarball. I still get view video from youtube. Can someone point the way? |
| 04:59.02 | vcat_ | can't view |
| 05:00.04 | LooieENG_ | ah, it should bring up a list, but it didn't |
| 05:00.12 | LooieENG_ | guess that means by card doesn't work :( |
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| 05:01.06 | ju_ | Soembody remembers what is the package name which is allowing to create a package which depends on all already installed packages ? |
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| 05:07.12 | enouf | ju_: that doesn't make sense to me - sorry .. do you mean metapackage? or equivalents? or ... |
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| 05:08.24 | ju_ | yes, I means a meta-package |
| 05:08.36 | ju_ | I have a system installed with a set of packages. |
| 05:08.58 | enouf | vcat_: got a particular youtube sucker that doesn't work? tried others? some suck ass because bozos don't even know the crap that flash is |
| 05:09.24 | enouf | vcat_: tried /msg dpkg youtube script ;-) (that) |
| 05:09.26 | ju_ | I want to build a package which is providing nothing except that this package will depend on all the one which are already installed on my system |
| 05:09.42 | enouf | (that's the way i view that crap) |
| 05:09.53 | ju_ | then I can use this package on another system to install all the dependancies. |
| 05:10.09 | \amethyst | ju_: dpkg --get-selections to get the list, equivs to build the package |
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| 05:10.31 | Gigantic_tiny | Hey you! |
| 05:10.38 | enouf | ju_: /msg dpkg metapackage and /msg dpkg aptitude clone (maybe) |
| 05:11.39 | ju_ | \amethyst, I remeber it is existing a debian package doing exactly that : one command then you've got a deb which depends on everything already installed. |
| 05:12.15 | Gigantic_tiny | Does anyone here know of an openhardware iPod keske? |
| 05:12.43 | enouf | ju_: are you kousik from #debian on oftc.net? |
| 05:13.55 | ju_ | no |
| 05:13.58 | ju_ | i'm not |
| 05:14.23 | enouf | what's a keske? is it anything like a bubbushka? |
| 05:14.55 | Guerin | keseki means dog-baby |
| 05:15.05 | Guerin | or more colloquially, sonofabitch |
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| 05:15.23 | enouf | ju_: quite similar then ... kind of eerie ;-) <kousik> hello everybody can anybody tell me how to make a single deb file from multiple deb file? <kousik> my intention is to build a single package which contains all dependency |
| 05:15.40 | enouf | or .. you both have the same homework assignment :-P |
| 05:16.10 | sfears | do you support getting an internal SD card readers drivers installed on a laptop? |
| 05:16.26 | enouf | Guerin: as in ... Puppy? :-P |
| 05:17.07 | Gigantic_tiny | I am removing Debian to Install back MacOSX |
| 05:17.15 | Guerin | enouf: not when applied to a person. |
| 05:17.22 | Guerin | Gigantic_tiny: you have my condolences |
| 05:17.24 | enouf | i see |
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| 05:17.51 | Gigantic_tiny | now that I have your attention... nah, I am not... but does anyone know an openhardware ipod like thingy? |
| 05:17.59 | Guerin | sfears: if it's in the kernel, we'll usually help you get it working |
| 05:18.08 | Guerin | Gigantic_tiny: google does |
| 05:18.37 | sfears | Guerin: i'm not sure how to look in the kernel yet |
| 05:18.37 | Gigantic_tiny | I know... but I want to know what people here use... |
| 05:18.45 | Guerin | !poll |
| 05:18.45 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:18.53 | enouf | we use Debian ;-) |
| 05:19.03 | Gigantic_tiny | non appliable... but I know where this is going... |
| 05:19.07 | Gigantic_tiny | exact |
| 05:19.28 | Gigantic_tiny | haven't you heard about embeded linux? |
| 05:19.35 | Gigantic_tiny | that's why... |
| 05:19.53 | SerajewelKS | Gigantic_tiny: i use my laptop actually, so meh |
| 05:19.57 | Guerin | Gigantic_tiny: we've heard of lots of things which are offtopic in hashdweebian |
| 05:20.09 | Guerin | most of us can carry on about many of them at length |
| 05:20.43 | SerajewelKS | Gigantic_tiny: but you're better off doing some research |
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| 05:21.35 | Gigantic_tiny | #debian is my first point of research =P |
| 05:21.46 | Gigantic_tiny | w/e... I'ma keep looking |
| 05:22.00 | sfears | Guerin: Linux Medion 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 04:18:38 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:22.18 | SerajewelKS | Gigantic_tiny: you might check out freedomtotinker |
| 05:24.10 | Gigantic_tiny | SerajewelKS: woots, ty |
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| 05:27.11 | sfears | Guerin: can you suggest an idea, for the SD card reader? |
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| 05:33.00 | nsadmin | Gigantic_tiny, you should consider making any irc channel to be not your first line of research, and make thinking and reading be your first |
| 05:33.03 | vcat_ | enouf, I like the idea of the youtube script thingy, but I'd really like for it to just work in the browser... |
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| 05:33.22 | LooieENG_ | this is too much work |
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| 05:33.31 | LooieENG_ | think I'll just stick with Windows |
| 05:34.12 | LooieENG_ | thanks for your help though whoever tried |
| 05:34.12 | LooieENG_ | nn |
| 05:35.34 | enouf | vcat_: righto .. try midori? |
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| 05:36.49 | amphi | enouf: segfaults delightfully with the 64bit alpha flashcrap from adob |
| 05:37.00 | amphi | or did last time I tested |
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| 05:37.55 | amphi | enouf: webkit, that is |
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| 05:42.53 | findlay | is it possible to downgrade from unstable to testing? |
| 05:43.08 | Craigevil | !downgrade |
| 05:43.08 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 05:43.20 | findlay | hm |
| 05:43.40 | Craigevil | just change your sources.list to testing, there isn't much difference between the two right now |
| 05:44.03 | findlay | well, the important difference for me is that unstable broke wpa for me |
| 05:44.09 | findlay | hopefully that'll fix it |
| 05:44.22 | SerajewelKS | findlay: install the old version of wpasupplicant then and mark it held |
| 05:45.54 | enouf | amphi: i did not realize you were running amd64 |
| 05:46.22 | amphi | damn, I've spilt the cat |
| 05:46.32 | Gigantic_tiny | poor cat =( |
| 05:46.48 | Gigantic_tiny | kities have feeling too |
| 05:46.54 | nsadmin | cat | spilt |
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| 05:48.44 | amphi | enouf: yeah, c2d here |
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| 05:58.59 | amphi | :e |
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| 06:06.17 | flourish | on a multi users debian system. in certain dir howto create file with rw permission of group . and not change the umask |
| 06:06.39 | flourish | that is the umask remains 022 |
| 06:06.45 | Gigantic_tiny | Archos 5 is it |
| 06:07.03 | aetheria | flourish: hmm. with chattr perhaps? |
| 06:07.05 | flourish | i think stick bit should be set, but don't know more issues |
| 06:07.18 | flourish | aetheria: chattr? |
| 06:07.37 | SerajewelKS | flourish: that's not what sticky does |
| 06:07.51 | flourish | SerajewelKS: sorry, setgid |
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| 06:08.13 | SerajewelKS | flourish: ah, then i don't know |
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| 06:08.26 | flourish | SerajewelKS: thanks:-) |
| 06:08.46 | flourish | aetheria: you mean chattr can do the job:-) |
| 06:10.01 | aetheria | flourish: you could try chmod g+s on it |
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| 06:10.31 | flourish | aetheria: yes, i have tried this. but it doesn't work |
| 06:10.31 | aetheria | or chmod g+rws |
| 06:10.54 | aetheria | maybe chmod g+rwt |
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| 06:11.16 | flourish | aetheria: thanks |
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| 06:13.17 | aetheria | no, t is only sticky |
| 06:13.28 | aetheria | oh wait. no, that's s |
| 06:13.38 | aetheria | t might be it |
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| 06:16.10 | aetheria | no |
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| 06:21.47 | aetheria | maybe with extended attributes/ACLs |
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| 06:23.09 | aetheria | am wondering too if you perhaps did a mount -o bind - there might be a mount option then |
| 06:23.38 | aetheria | because you could set the perms in fstab then |
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| 06:40.09 | betz-- | Hi everyone! I want to setup a webradio on my remote server. Whats the best solution? Shoutcast? Icecast? Other? |
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| 06:57.41 | sako | hey guys anyone know how to install phpmyadmin i tried apt-get install phpmyadmin it installed ok but i cant get to it going to localhost/phpmyadmin |
| 06:57.47 | sako | is it supposed to work automatically? |
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| 06:58.48 | enyawix | Hardened debian distro? SELinux PaX etc? |
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| 06:59.22 | sako | debian etch |
| 06:59.50 | enyawix | debian etch is hardened? |
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| 07:00.28 | enyawix | brb reading |
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| 07:04.04 | simonrvn | blah blah blah, bleh bleh blah blah |
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| 07:20.27 | christopher | Sitting here at my freshly installed lenny. It doesn't seem to contain sshd by default, is that so? |
| 07:20.43 | christopher | Or did I somehow screw up the installation? |
| 07:21.02 | mhymn_ | sako: take a look at /var/www |
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| 07:23.28 | mhymn_ | christopher: dpkg -l | grep -i ssh |
| 07:24.19 | christopher | I have an ssh client installed, but not a deamon for remote access.. seems a bit odd |
| 07:24.55 | mhymn_ | christopher: and ehat about openssh-server? |
| 07:24.58 | mhymn_ | what* |
| 07:25.06 | simonrvn | christopher: it doesn't install the daemon by default |
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| 07:25.26 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 07:25.26 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 07:25.30 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 07:25.40 | christopher | Installed it now tho. |
| 07:26.05 | christopher | I was just used to the debian install at work - always seemed to have openssh-server installed by defauult |
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| 07:26.22 | christopher | maybe I'm just confused. Thanks for the insight.. :) |
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| 07:26.35 | simonrvn | 'cause it didn't used to come in 2 different packages. |
| 07:27.04 | simonrvn | of course he's gone now, so that was useless. |
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| 07:30.45 | mhymn_ | no, was useful for me really |
| 07:31.38 | simonrvn | 's been around debian since potato *shrug* |
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| 07:33.41 | enouf | simonrvn: i learned something (so not futile) ;-) |
| 07:34.08 | simonrvn | cool, 2 people. :) |
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| 07:36.02 | sylarr | whats the mime type for powerpoint? |
| 07:36.21 | nsadmin | mimes it |
| 07:36.35 | mhymn_ | sylarr: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint |
| 07:36.48 | sylarr | humm |
| 07:36.53 | Sebboh | Hi. I'm going to try out of those light weight window managers on my laptop. The router in my house uses WPA... Is there a handy-dandy gui for managing wireless connections that will work in, for example, awesome window manager |
| 07:36.55 | Sebboh | ? |
| 07:37.23 | sylarr | I don't have it in /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/defaults.list |
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| 07:38.00 | sylarr | or /etc/gnome-vfs-mime-magic |
| 07:38.35 | sylarr | where should it be defined? |
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| 07:39.28 | simonrvn | sylarr: grep foo /etc/mime.types |
| 07:40.01 | sylarr | ah, found it,thanks simonrvn |
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| 07:47.44 | enouf | Sebboh: i don't know if wicd is GUI or not |
| 07:50.15 | enouf | Sebboh: and i don;t know if you need to install 500MB of gnome for network-manager, nor if you need 500MB of kde for kwifimanager |
| 07:51.21 | enouf | considers the newer Hitachi 1TB HDDs on sale now - (up to 5 per order :-P) |
| 07:51.27 | nsadmin | Sebboh: perhaps to use the non-handy-dandy (aka command-line interface) way of configuring your net will be worth your time to learn |
| 07:51.28 | sylarr | how can I make both copy buffers the same? |
| 07:51.45 | nsadmin | don't have two? |
| 07:52.05 | sylarr | there is Copy, and Select |
| 07:52.14 | enouf | xclip? |
| 07:52.23 | sylarr | xclip? |
| 07:52.32 | tralala | any recommendations for a good nntp reader? |
| 07:52.40 | enouf | !info xclip |
| 07:53.09 | dpkg | xclip: (command line interface to X selections), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.08-8 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 07:53.29 | Sebboh | nsadmin: .. yeah.. I just used wpa_supplicant to get online. But I just ran it manually, without understanding how it's supposed to work. Nor do I understand the 485973 command line options that I saw on some web page and typed in verbatim. =P |
| 07:54.16 | ptman | Sebboh: I suggest you use wpa_supplicant the way it's supposed to be used in debian |
| 07:54.18 | Sebboh | s/supposed to work/supposed to work with the normal network scripts, the Debian way/ |
| 07:54.22 | sylarr | enouf, I don't see how xclip does it |
| 07:54.32 | enouf | Sebboh: /usr/share/doc/{pkgname} is your friend ;-) |
| 07:54.57 | enouf | sylarr: i have no idea even what you mean - just a suggestion when you talk about copy/paste |
| 07:55.02 | ptman | Sebboh: a couple of lines in /etc/network/interfaces, a /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf with all the networks and then just ifup/ifdown wlan0 |
| 07:55.14 | sylarr | enouf, ah |
| 07:56.03 | enouf | sylarr: usually middle-wheel click - or shift+insert pastes in the clipboard's buffer (for me here anyways) |
| 07:56.39 | Sebboh | thanks for the moral support guys. =P BTW I'm now running Debian Lenny on the OLPC XO-1. :) |
| 07:56.41 | enouf | and my selection is immediately stored into buffer (IOW, a selection/highlight takes precedence) |
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| 07:58.13 | sylarr | enouf, for me it seems like there are two clipboards and they are not in sync with each other |
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| 07:59.14 | Sebboh | Also, I do not have an wlan0. Nor a hard drive. And the physical pixels on my LCD are arranged in a diagonal patter as opposed to the usual grid of RGB units.. =) This will be fun. |
| 07:59.16 | enouf | sylarr: find out which ones you have / using |
| 07:59.54 | enouf | Sebboh: diagonal yields larger measurements :-P |
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| 08:00.56 | enouf | Sebboh: you might have an ath0 , a ra0, a wifi0, a eth0 .. whatever - ifconfig -a will show you as will ls /sys/class/net |
| 08:01.16 | enouf | wmaster0 ... etc |
| 08:01.35 | enouf | (usually in tandem with a wlan0 , iinm) |
| 08:02.10 | sylarr | enouf, I think the select buffer is the problem |
| 08:02.14 | Sebboh | yep, yep, that's all sorted. Just commenting on the fact that it's absolutely the strangest system I've ever operated linux on.. Embedded crap around the house included. |
| 08:02.15 | enouf | Sebboh: learn lspci .. /msg dpkg grounding (for some basics - for moral support) |
| 08:02.23 | sylarr | enouf, and the ctrl-c buffer is OK |
| 08:02.28 | enouf | ahh |
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| 08:03.32 | sylarr | or not, hmm man dono |
| 08:03.34 | enouf | sylarr: there's likely a setting to enable/disable which takes precedence (if you're using gnome/kde) |
| 08:03.52 | Sebboh | enouf: diagonals: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display#Our_screen.2C_described_by_its_parts |
| 08:03.54 | sylarr | yes I use gnome/kde |
| 08:04.00 | enouf | try gconf-editor for gnome |
| 08:04.07 | Sebboh | well goodnight all. |
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| 08:04.12 | enouf | and see klipper for kde |
| 08:04.16 | enouf | gn |
| 08:04.26 | sylarr | enouf, I don't want precedence I want equivalence |
| 08:04.39 | enouf | you need more vagueness |
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| 08:05.22 | groken | does anyone know of a tool i can run to give me (at least some of) the features from adminpak.msi for administrating a windows domain? |
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| 08:06.38 | ptman | sylarr: autocutsel |
| 08:06.52 | ptman | !info autocutsel |
| 08:06.55 | dpkg | autocutsel: (Keep the X clipboard and the cutbuffer in sync), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 08:07.03 | enouf | throw it all into a virtual machine - you'll have full control ;-) |
| 08:08.22 | sylarr | ptman, o it looks like what I want but I cant find it in my etch repositories |
| 08:08.59 | ptman | sylarr: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=autocutsel -- maybe that's because it's introduced in lenny |
| 08:09.17 | sylarr | damn etch *#*$# |
| 08:09.38 | ptman | backport it, or would you trust me to do it |
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| 08:10.42 | sylarr | maybe I will |
| 08:11.14 | sylarr | I see there are 149 RC bugs for lenny |
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| 08:12.33 | sylarr | seems like lenny gona be released on march 2009 |
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| 08:12.50 | ptman | sylarr: http://puro.fixme.fi/~ptman/debian/ -- that was quite quick |
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| 08:16.36 | enouf | that was very nice of you to do ptman |
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| 08:17.19 | ptman | enouf: it's quite easy for me as I've got everything set up for backporting, I work as a system administrator and have to backport quite a lot of stuff |
| 08:17.34 | enouf | cool .. |
| 08:17.44 | ptman | but it's also dangerous, because the package isn't signed, and I could've injected backdoors in it or whatever |
| 08:18.00 | enouf | indeed |
| 08:18.12 | enouf | but i don't sense that from you :-P |
| 08:18.14 | sylarr | scary |
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| 08:19.03 | enouf | !backdoor scary sylarr |
| 08:19.15 | liable | you can sign it.. |
| 08:19.20 | ptman | I really hope I seem trustworthy, but these days... |
| 08:19.46 | ptman | liable: but since my key isn't very widely circulated almost no-one could verify it, so it's almost useless |
| 08:19.55 | enouf | scribbles in his John Hancock |
| 08:19.59 | liable | if its in a keyserver it is |
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| 08:20.27 | liable | but, unless someone trustworthy has signed your key, i guess its moot |
| 08:20.31 | ptman | I was thinking more like a web of trust, my key isn't signed by almost anyone |
| 08:20.39 | enouf | thinks liable has been working on some wifi pkgs for eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepc |
| 08:20.41 | enouf | :-P |
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| 08:21.07 | liable | enouf: i do quite a bit of the stuff for the eee packages |
| 08:21.18 | enouf | you da man |
| 08:22.14 | liable | actually building the installer for it right at this moment .. which i should have done some time ago. |
| 08:22.46 | enouf | times liable |
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| 08:26.23 | liable | where is the new queue kept btw? |
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| 08:32.50 | sylarr | ptman, now , I need to run it in an rc or something? |
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| 08:37.53 | sylarr | seem to not work :S |
| 08:37.58 | ptman | sylarr: hmm... I don't know, the man page and documentation under /usr/share/doc probably has some info |
| 08:38.21 | sylarr | k |
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| 08:50.25 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:50.25 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 09:02.39 | stoned | this is fucking crazy |
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| 09:02.52 | stoned | I passed out around 6pm and I just woke up at 4am |
| 09:03.03 | stoned | I'm still sleepy I think |
| 09:03.07 | stoned | what are you guys doing? |
| 09:03.08 | Silicium | hi there |
| 09:03.37 | Silicium | how i can run a aptitude install foo script one time on first boot? |
| 09:03.54 | Silicium | if i use rc.local the installation will be failed |
| 09:03.55 | cllaudyu | hello |
| 09:04.01 | stoned | preseed? |
| 09:04.07 | Silicium | preseed is no option |
| 09:04.07 | stoned | perhaps |
| 09:04.10 | Silicium | :/ |
| 09:04.25 | stoned | dunno i can't think right nwo |
| 09:04.43 | liable | Silicium: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:04.50 | Silicium | first time i have used preseed, but it cant work cause one script is a rake:migrate script with executing SQL Statements to Postgres |
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| 09:06.01 | Silicium | wait |
| 09:06.02 | TiMiDo | Hey i have a question. how come I'm not getting sound with the flash player any ideas? |
| 09:06.19 | stoned | TiMiDo, do you have alsa-oss? |
| 09:06.23 | stoned | TiMiDo, have sound elsewhere? |
| 09:06.24 | Silicium | aptitude -o Aptitude::CmdLine::Ignore-Trust-Violations=true -y install foobar |
| 09:06.28 | Silicium | @ liable |
| 09:06.30 | stoned | TiMiDo, amd64 or i386? |
| 09:06.42 | TiMiDo | stoned, yes i do have sound, i386 |
| 09:06.58 | Silicium | TiMiDo: close your other nonalsa apps, vlc, mplayer etc |
| 09:06.58 | stoned | !+info alsa-oss |
| 09:07.00 | dpkg | alsa-oss: (ALSA wrapper for OSS applications), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.17-1 (sid), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 09:07.07 | stoned | Silicium, why? |
| 09:07.29 | Silicium | stoned: i also have that problem with any sound apps |
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| 09:07.37 | stoned | Silicium, alsa come pre configured with DMIX |
| 09:07.43 | TiMiDo | hmmm okey. |
| 09:07.44 | Silicium | there blocking the device |
| 09:07.49 | stoned | !dmix |
| 09:07.49 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 09:08.15 | Silicium | liable: ping |
| 09:08.23 | TiMiDo | still does not work. |
| 09:08.50 | Silicium | restart ff |
| 09:08.59 | stoned | from console |
| 09:09.02 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 09:09.04 | stoned | and watch output |
| 09:09.16 | stoned | and install alsa-oss if you have not already |
| 09:09.27 | TiMiDo | i did installed it just now. |
| 09:09.34 | Silicium | stoned: i think the problem is not that TiMiDo everytime has no sound |
| 09:09.34 | stoned | restart iceweasel |
| 09:09.57 | TiMiDo | i did stoned |
| 09:10.00 | stoned | I'm not disregarding the possibility that sound is not shared |
| 09:10.05 | stoned | but its highly unlikely |
| 09:10.17 | TiMiDo | still does not work |
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| 09:10.27 | liable | Silicium: so you are installing a unsigned package at first boot on a cluster of machines or something? |
| 09:10.37 | stoned | TiMiDo, dunno sorry im half awake |
| 09:10.38 | stoned | :( |
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| 09:10.50 | TiMiDo | very nice stoned |
| 09:10.52 | Silicium | liable: yes |
| 09:10.57 | Silicium | liable: no questions :D |
| 09:11.20 | liable | Silicium: why cant you do that with a preseed file? |
| 09:11.35 | stoned | I asked him the same thing |
| 09:11.56 | Silicium | liable: cause the dpkg want insert some db tables, but the postgresql is not running at this moment |
| 09:12.33 | stoned | Computer Science 61B - Lecture 20: Algorithm Analysis |
| 09:12.33 | stoned | [Playable on Google Video] |
| 09:12.37 | stoned | 44:11 - Oct 16, 2006 - 2 |
| 09:12.42 | liable | Silicium: is it such a large number of machines that its impracticle to do so manually? |
| 09:12.44 | stoned | great video if you ever get a chance |
| 09:13.00 | Silicium | liable: no base questions please |
| 09:13.16 | lexko_ | does anyone know of any debian-based issues that might cause my python2.4 to segfault on running? gdb suggests it might be dying in interacting with libc. The downside is I can't really use apt-get since python segfaults |
| 09:13.18 | Silicium | i dont want discuss about sense of this product :D |
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| 09:14.53 | liable | Silicium: then you could possibly make a pckage that installs an init script to be run when the machine boots |
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| 09:17.00 | Silicium | yes |
| 09:17.04 | Silicium | and that i have |
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| 09:17.21 | Silicium | and this install failed |
| 09:17.30 | liable | with what error? |
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| 09:17.57 | liable | you preseeded it to be installed during install? |
| 09:18.02 | Silicium | dependcy problems |
| 09:18.23 | Silicium | so if i run manually it works fine |
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| 09:19.00 | liable | how are you installing it during install? |
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| 09:21.55 | alcohol | mornin' all |
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| 09:23.23 | Silicium | re (with coffee) |
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| 09:23.52 | Silicium | liable: just i preseed a new rc.local file |
| 09:24.08 | alcohol | I gots me some coffee too |
| 09:24.12 | alcohol | douwe egberts black |
| 09:24.13 | alcohol | <3 |
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| 09:24.57 | Silicium | liable: this script adds the repository, update it and installs the foo package, and then it pipes a #!/bin.bash <CR> return 0 into itself |
| 09:25.34 | Dan_ | can someone answer a semi-debian question for me? |
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| 09:25.45 | Silicium | Dan_: no metaquestions |
| 09:25.51 | liable | Silicium: show me your preseed file |
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| 09:27.28 | Dan_ | ok.... I want to setup a usb key that boots 2 or 3 different distros. I just don't understand syslinux well enough to do so w/o help |
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| 09:27.32 | Silicium | liable: the preseed file os okay and works |
| 09:27.46 | Silicium | thats absolutley no problem of the preseed file |
| 09:27.57 | Silicium | the problem is after base installation |
| 09:28.31 | liable | Silicium: i am not going to bother trying to help you when you dance around questions. |
| 09:29.02 | sep | dan_ http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21500 have a multiboot example in it. |
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| 09:30.26 | Dan_ | sep thanks - I'll look |
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| 09:37.04 | Silicium | liable: zomg |
| 09:37.34 | Silicium | showing the preseed file is totally without any reason |
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| 09:38.51 | liable | Silicium: no. its absolutely within reason if your package is failing to install. i get the feeling you are trying to hide something, and therefore want nothing to do with it. |
| 09:39.19 | Silicium | i dont install any packages in the preseed file |
| 09:39.39 | liable | then you should be.. |
| 09:39.50 | Silicium | i only rund a late comand to copy /media/cdrom/fooscript to /target/etc/rc.local |
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| 09:40.45 | liable | then why did you say a package fails to install because of depends? |
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| 09:41.08 | Silicium | because in the fooscript is a aptitude install script |
| 09:41.16 | Silicium | s/script/command |
| 09:41.45 | kjs | Guys, how do I stop my resolv.conf being overwritten by resolvconf each time? |
| 09:42.00 | Silicium | killall resolveconf |
| 09:42.01 | Silicium | :D |
| 09:42.12 | jelly-home | kjs: uninstall resolvconf? |
| 09:42.12 | kjs | ill remove it. |
| 09:42.14 | liable | rclocal is at the end of the init stage, so networking should be well up, and therefore able to run whatever you need |
| 09:42.21 | kjs | yeah done it. |
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| 09:42.22 | kjs | ya |
| 09:42.23 | kjs | ta |
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| 09:43.59 | Silicium | liable: rc.local runs after all other init script, so the whole system is up at this time |
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| 09:44.15 | Silicium | liable: apt-get update works also fine in this script |
| 09:44.36 | liable | Silicium: so set the script -x and see why it fails |
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| 09:45.04 | Silicium | liable: ok |
| 09:45.08 | Silicium | liable: what does -x? |
| 09:45.26 | liable | it will show the script executing line by line |
| 09:45.46 | Silicium | ok, -x as #!/bin/bash -x? |
| 09:45.54 | Silicium | or -x as a new line? |
| 09:46.05 | liable | set -x on a new line |
| 09:46.13 | Silicium | k |
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| 09:47.12 | Silicium | liable: can i whitout problems forward the output into a textfile? |
| 09:47.50 | liable | Silicium: sure, just redirect it to a file |
| 09:47.56 | Silicium | ok thx |
| 09:48.07 | Silicium | lets try |
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| 10:17.27 | omes | so whats the easiest/best way to get sponsored? |
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| 10:17.50 | Silicium | omes: search of a sponsor? |
| 10:18.08 | zu22 | hi guys |
| 10:18.16 | liable | omes:#debian-mentors on oftc, or the mailing list |
| 10:18.18 | omes | Silicium: yes, so how do i do that |
| 10:18.22 | omes | liable: thanks |
| 10:18.28 | zu22 | i also want a sponsor |
| 10:18.47 | Silicium | liable: dpkg-preconfigure: unable to re-open stdin: |
| 10:18.51 | Silicium | maybe that |
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| 10:18.56 | zu22 | liabke: oftc is that freenode? |
| 10:19.06 | liable | irc.debian.net |
| 10:19.09 | zu22 | ok |
| 10:19.09 | liable | erm |
| 10:19.15 | liable | irc.debian.org |
| 10:19.17 | Silicium | a sponsor for what? |
| 10:19.20 | zu22 | wow debian has its own irc server cool |
| 10:19.30 | petemc | no, it uses freenode |
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| 10:19.48 | petemc | sorry, oftc |
| 10:19.52 | petemc | was freenode |
| 10:20.09 | zu22 | i am trying to get a friend who loves CentOS to try Debian, any stuff i can show him on the web to make him consider switching? |
| 10:20.13 | zu22 | oh |
| 10:20.37 | zu22 | he claims CentOS is "more stable for production servers" |
| 10:21.15 | Aggro | zu22: ask him to prove that |
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| 10:21.39 | Silicium | aah |
| 10:21.43 | liable | zu22: you cant generally convince people to switch from a debian derivative that does low level stuff for them, to debian that doesnt, without them wanting to know how it all works. (just my humle opinion) |
| 10:21.47 | Silicium | maybe i have teh problem :D |
| 10:22.31 | liable | zu22: if he thinks centos os more stable for servers, then i suggest you just move on :) |
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| 10:24.05 | omes | zu22: why do you need him to switch to debian anyways? |
| 10:24.16 | omes | immortality will come to such as are fit for it ;) |
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| 10:24.50 | zu22 | liable: heh ok |
| 10:25.04 | zu22 | omes: i just love debian and wish more people would use it |
| 10:25.14 | themill | zu22: the size of the archive and the ease of use of apt as opposed to yum are the big winners for me. |
| 10:25.24 | zu22 | themill: ok i can try mentioning that |
| 10:25.24 | mhymn_ | !insult centos |
| 10:25.26 | dpkg | centos is nothing but an acidic thimbleful of currish dog vomit |
| 10:25.44 | liable | is centos a rpm distro? |
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| 10:25.50 | alcohol | what is centos? |
| 10:25.52 | alcohol | :< |
| 10:25.58 | themill | liable: yes. It's an unbranded RHEL |
| 10:26.05 | liable | oh |
| 10:26.14 | liable | needs to brush up on derivatives |
| 10:26.19 | sylarr | alcohol, a distro |
| 10:26.27 | zu22 | !centos |
| 10:26.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or for IRC support, use #centos @ irc.freenode.net |
| 10:27.51 | OpenTokix | I was forced to use centos for a while - its so crappy |
| 10:27.54 | OpenTokix | very stable |
| 10:28.05 | OpenTokix | but no wonders, they have like 10 packages |
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| 10:28.09 | zu22 | haha |
| 10:28.43 | zu22 | i bet even LFS has some more in it :P |
| 10:28.51 | OpenTokix | to make it useful you have to ad "Rogers Garagerpm's" "NinjaRpms" "Rpm'r'us" "rpmrpmrpm" and Walrpm |
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| 10:29.05 | liable | *groan* |
| 10:29.13 | zu22 | chuckles |
| 10:29.38 | H2S04 | DON'T YOU CHUCKLE |
| 10:29.40 | H2S04 | :P |
| 10:29.58 | alcohol | btw, I keep getting a GPG error for xapian.org when I use apt-get update/upgrade |
| 10:30.04 | alcohol | how can I import the key? |
| 10:31.02 | zu22 | H2S04: :) |
| 10:31.06 | liable | alcohol: they should tell you how to |
| 10:31.20 | alcohol | who? |
| 10:31.34 | liable | xapian.org |
| 10:32.12 | liable | alcohol: why would we know how to fix some random repo? |
| 10:32.19 | alcohol | ah |
| 10:32.21 | alcohol | fixed it |
| 10:32.22 | alcohol | thanks (: |
| 10:32.36 | alcohol | btw, why would etch choose not to upgrade linux-image-2.6-amd64 openssh-client openssh-server |
| 10:32.39 | alcohol | ? |
| 10:32.51 | alcohol | they're 'held back' |
| 10:32.56 | alcohol | if I translated that properly |
| 10:33.03 | liable | dist-upgrade |
| 10:33.07 | alcohol | I see |
| 10:33.09 | alcohol | is that risky? |
| 10:33.34 | liable | !tell alcohol -about refcard |
| 10:33.41 | liable | read that doc |
| 10:34.36 | alcohol | drats, dont have pdf reader yet |
| 10:34.38 | alcohol | downloads |
| 10:35.24 | themill | dpkg: tell alcohol about kept back |
| 10:36.38 | alcohol | bleh, I hate that our server is set to dutch |
| 10:36.43 | alcohol | can I change it to english? |
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| 10:37.12 | alcohol | googles |
| 10:37.36 | alcohol | oh, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 10:42.37 | alcohol | sweet |
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| 10:54.17 | liable | nasty |
| 10:54.35 | obfuscatr | hi all. i just grabbed a virtualbox debian image, installed it and it's fine, but no networking. lspci can see two NICs I've setup in virtualbox, but ifconfig only shows lo. what do I do to 'start' networking? |
| 10:54.46 | liable | lexko_: which debian version, and do you have any extra repos that arent from debian? |
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| 10:55.36 | betz-- | Anybody, how do i disable safe-mode? I changed all the php.ini files on my server, and its still enabled :s |
| 10:55.56 | mhymn_ | obfuscatr: /etc/init.d/networking start|stop|restart |
| 10:55.59 | liable | safe-mode? |
| 10:56.05 | lexko_ | liable: etch. right now just the main repos. I had added security and volatile, but removed them |
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| 10:59.05 | liable | lexko_: and you only had security and volatile before this happened? |
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| 10:59.53 | itguru | Is it possible to get my system to send its host name to my DNS server, a bit like windows clients do? |
| 11:00.11 | petemc | yes, /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 11:00.41 | lexko_ | I just disabled security when messing around with this...volatile had been closed for awhile now, but I have used it before |
| 11:01.03 | liable | lexko_: and its actually apt that throwing that error? |
| 11:01.50 | liable | lexko_: i suggest you enable both and upgrade and see if you still get it for a start |
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| 11:03.47 | lexko_ | liable: yeah, tried it both ways. When it pulls up the first package to process in apt-get update Release.gpg it throws that glibc error and then "Aborted" |
| 11:04.07 | lexko_ | "apt-get update" alone that is |
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| 11:04.43 | hanibana | hi :) |
| 11:04.49 | thrope | hi - is there anywhere to get packages for woody? a working repo anywhere? |
| 11:05.09 | liable | thrope: archive.debian.org |
| 11:05.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | thrope, archive.debian.org or snapshot.debian.net? |
| 11:05.40 | hanibana | can anyone explain me this weird code ? http://pastebin.com/d4df00d11 |
| 11:05.42 | liable | lexko_: hmm, i cant think of how or why you would get that on an etch box |
| 11:05.49 | hanibana | What is this type? __ssize_t_defined ! with those starting underlines?! |
| 11:05.57 | thrope | great thanks |
| 11:06.07 | liable | hanibana: looks like kernel code |
| 11:06.36 | hanibana | liable: unistd.h |
| 11:06.36 | liable | and you would have to read kernel headers to see what it is |
| 11:07.03 | liable | hanibana: try ##c |
| 11:07.19 | hanibana | liable: ah ,yes |
| 11:07.25 | itguru | petemc - Thanks, I will look into it |
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| 11:07.36 | hanibana | I did not know about that channel |
| 11:07.38 | hanibana | :) |
| 11:07.56 | hanibana | liable: I go that, thanks |
| 11:08.02 | liable | yw |
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| 11:14.34 | rdz | hi all. is it possible to read s.m.a.r.t status of drives, that are connected over USB? |
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| 11:17.34 | sinak | hello. Is there any repositories for kde4.2? |
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| 11:18.28 | mhymn_ | sinak: nope, only 4.1 |
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| 11:19.23 | sinak | is there any way to build kde4.2 on debian? |
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| 11:20.58 | loca|host | how to get informations about an inode ? |
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| 11:21.42 | troubled | loca|host: debugfs? |
| 11:22.46 | loca|host | troubled, not that, i forgot the name, its some command to run like this: `command filename` and it gets you some basic inode infos like modification date, last access date and other .. |
| 11:22.59 | troubled | rdz: i doubt it since you arent sending actual ATA commands over usb I dont think |
| 11:23.21 | loca|host | troubled, it's "stat" i found it :) |
| 11:23.24 | troubled | loca|host: lsof maybe? or fuser |
| 11:23.34 | troubled | or stat ;) |
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| 11:24.03 | Craigevil | sinak: you can build it from svn http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/ |
| 11:25.07 | troubled | loca|host: totally forgot about that command, thanks for the refresh :) |
| 11:25.21 | loca|host | welcome :) |
| 11:25.28 | loca|host | glad to contribute haha |
| 11:25.36 | troubled | watches the lights dim as all his machines go into maintenance at the exact same time |
| 11:25.54 | troubled | loca|host: how the hell did that happen, you came here for help and I got schooled! ;) |
| 11:26.11 | xoz | give troubled a candle |
| 11:26.18 | xoz | s/give/gives |
| 11:26.30 | rdz | troubled, thanks |
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| 11:27.31 | loca|host | troubled, no one got it all in mind :p maybe einstein ... :D |
| 11:27.31 | stimpie | how do I change de deault file permissions for all users? execute a umask at every login? |
| 11:27.49 | loca|host | stimpie, .bashrc |
| 11:27.55 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 11:27.59 | loca|host | or /etc/profile |
| 11:28.09 | troubled | loca|host: not even him I dont think. Smart and unlimited mental storage are not the same :) |
| 11:28.14 | Ace2016 | is there a program which is capable of translating mouse clicks actions to keyboard shortcuts? |
| 11:28.27 | Ace2016 | like left click followed by a right click = keyboard action |
| 11:28.47 | troubled | Ace2016: gpm maybe? |
| 11:28.50 | Ace2016 | like left click followed by a right click = keyboard action if a specific program is active (else nothing) |
| 11:29.01 | troubled | although, ive never used gpm for anything fancy like that before |
| 11:29.04 | loca|host | troubled, thought he got a redundant NAS cloud inside his head looooooooooool |
| 11:29.08 | stimpie | loca|host, ok thanks |
| 11:29.43 | Ace2016 | troubled: is that a gnome program? google didn't find its homepage |
| 11:29.51 | troubled | loca|host: :) sadly, even raid 5 cant handle multi drive failures though! :) |
| 11:30.04 | Ace2016 | raid1 is the only way ;) |
| 11:30.07 | troubled | Ace2016: its actually a console app, but can act as a repeater for X |
| 11:30.47 | Ace2016 | but i want mouse actions in xorg to be translated to keyboard shotcuts |
| 11:30.52 | troubled | Ace2016: although, im not entirely sure if it can send arbitrary key codes though |
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| 11:31.35 | troubled | Ace2016: as I said, gpm can act as a repeater for X windows. ie: X uses /dev/gpmdata or something as the mouse device and it will get the keys when you are in X |
| 11:31.41 | troubled | Ace2016: might be limitations though |
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| 11:35.56 | Ace2016 | is there a way to disable minimising of windows? |
| 11:36.15 | Ace2016 | maybe compiz peoples will know that |
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| 11:41.32 | dustybin | where abouts do alias get stored? |
| 11:41.46 | dustybin | and how do you list all aliases? |
| 11:42.07 | mhymn_ | 'alias' command? |
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| 11:42.28 | dustybin | ok so there must be no aliases |
| 11:42.38 | dustybin | i press 'alias' and it shows nothing |
| 11:43.17 | mhymn_ | i myself add them in ~/.bashrc |
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| 11:44.26 | dustybin | i created a alias blabla='blahblah' |
| 11:44.34 | dustybin | would that now be saved forever? |
| 11:44.38 | mhymn_ | nope |
| 11:44.42 | dustybin | :( |
| 11:44.57 | dustybin | so ill need to add that to .bashrc ? |
| 11:45.03 | mhymn_ | yup |
| 11:45.06 | dustybin | ok tar |
| 11:45.10 | dustybin | xvf :P |
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| 11:45.19 | mhymn_ | :) |
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| 11:54.14 | iradieh | Excuse me, I got a minimal installation |
| 11:54.33 | iradieh | And I can't start iceweasel, nothing happends when I start iceweasel by click or opening with a temrinal |
| 11:54.41 | iradieh | if I start iceweasel and then type jobs I get an iceweasel exit |
| 11:55.10 | iradieh | I got bare minimum install with: Xfce4/fluxbox->thunar->openssh->NX->iceweasel->eclipse |
| 11:55.13 | iradieh | Thats about it |
| 11:56.24 | petemc | what does it say when you start it in a terminal? |
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| 11:56.31 | OpenTokix | This is funny: export PS1='$( [[ $PWD =~ $HOME* ]] && P=H:${PWD#$HOME} || P=C:$PWD; echo ${P//\//\\\})>' |
| 11:56.32 | iradieh | othing |
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| 11:56.35 | iradieh | petemc: nothing |
| 11:56.52 | petemc | does it just hang? |
| 11:58.17 | iradieh | no |
| 11:58.19 | iradieh | nothing happends |
| 11:58.20 | iradieh | nothing starts |
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| 12:05.14 | whitman | What user does apache2 run as in Etch? |
| 12:05.23 | karma_ | Hello! Is there some comparison between Netlink sockets and Unix Domain sockets? I need to establish communication between some code snippets ("sensors") and user-space applications ("receiver"). Sensors could be in kernel- and user-space. I know i can't use UDS for kernel- and user- space interaction, so I'm not sure if I can use Netlink sockets for local IPC. |
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| 12:05.27 | SuperNick | hi |
| 12:05.27 | SuperNick | top shows 1 cpu on my core2duo |
| 12:05.31 | SuperNick | how to fix that ? |
| 12:05.41 | chriswk_h_ | press 1 |
| 12:05.52 | chriswk_h_ | that will separate the two processors |
| 12:06.19 | chriswk_h_ | if that doesn't solve it, make sure that your /proc/cpuinfo does indeed report two processors |
| 12:06.39 | SuperNick | ok thanks ! |
| 12:06.47 | chriswk_h_ | you're welcome |
| 12:06.48 | chriswk_h_ | :) |
| 12:06.48 | SuperNick | it works |
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| 12:12.08 | iradieh | I got bare minimum install with: Xfce4/fluxbox->thunar->openssh->NX->iceweasel->eclipse |
| 12:12.08 | humitos | hello! |
| 12:12.15 | iradieh | And ICEWEASEL wont start |
| 12:12.19 | humitos | Anybody knows "aosd_cat"? |
| 12:12.31 | iradieh | Nothing happends when I click on it or type iceweasel in the terminal |
| 12:12.51 | humitos | I can't use it with multiline argument |
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| 12:13.23 | humitos | It's shows me the first line and then the numbers of the line in --line argument |
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| 12:13.50 | dmarkey__ | hi, i cant get sudo to ask for a password, it just lets me straight in, is there a querk with debian sudo? |
| 12:14.08 | jsaak | dmarkey__: visudo |
| 12:14.27 | dmarkey__ | jsaak: yes i've edited the file |
| 12:14.40 | jsaak | you messed it up then |
| 12:14.45 | dmarkey__ | but i cant get sudo to ask for a password, it just drops me straight to a root shell |
| 12:15.04 | petemc | running it as a user? |
| 12:15.05 | jsaak | or you are in the cached period, wait for 10 minutes |
| 12:15.12 | humitos | I think that this packages has a bug |
| 12:15.12 | mhymn_ | true |
| 12:15.14 | jsaak | and try again |
| 12:15.28 | dmarkey__ | %sudo ALL = (ALL) PASSWD:ALL |
| 12:15.50 | xoz | dmarkey__: check if there is a caching daemon running. |
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| 12:16.16 | dmarkey__ | as in nscd? no |
| 12:17.14 | xoz | dmarkey__: you can try killing it to check your assumption. |
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| 12:17.19 | iradieh | excuse me when using netinstall with Debian, what is the last category.. The first one is Desktop system then there is web system and the last one is something like Standard System. You can pick them and then install. What does the last one contain |
| 12:17.49 | dmarkey__ | xoz: well i know how to use ps |
| 12:18.00 | iradieh | Does someone understand... I had a hard time understanding that :D You know there are several categories you can pick. Usually the first one that is Desktop is picked and the last one, that is Standard System... What does Standard System contain |
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| 12:19.55 | obfuscatr | iradieh, good question. i was wondering that myself. |
| 12:20.02 | obfuscatr | google says 'This is the subset of Debian, installed by default, which provides |
| 12:20.02 | obfuscatr | basic functionality.' |
| 12:20.10 | obfuscatr | i'd guess it's core stuff that you can't do without. |
| 12:20.35 | iradieh | hmm |
| 12:20.39 | iradieh | Since my iceweasel wont start |
| 12:20.40 | iradieh | I didnt pick it |
| 12:20.43 | iradieh | I installed |
| 12:20.47 | iradieh | I got bare minimum install with: Xfce4/fluxbox->thunar->openssh->NX->iceweasel->eclipse |
| 12:21.00 | iradieh | I got Xfce4 now and Gnome.. gonna try with gnome and see if it works |
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| 12:21.46 | dmarkey__ | http://pastebin.com/m30c0183a |
| 12:21.54 | dmarkey__ | thats is my sudoers config file |
| 12:22.38 | iradieh | Didnt work with gnome either |
| 12:22.42 | iradieh | It says starting iceweasel |
| 12:22.45 | iradieh | then dissapears |
| 12:23.20 | xoz | !tell iradieh -about enter |
| 12:23.29 | iradieh | xoz: not helping me ! |
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| 12:23.39 | xoz | dmarkey__: seems fine. |
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| 12:23.46 | iradieh | ah wll |
| 12:23.49 | iradieh | back to ubuntu |
| 12:23.52 | iradieh | thanks nyway |
| 12:24.03 | iradieh | BYe |
| 12:24.12 | dustybin | as soon as i copy and paste text into squirrelmail it turns into this |
| 12:24.13 | dustybin | I am |
| 12:24.16 | dmarkey__ | so that should ask for a password? |
| 12:24.22 | dustybin | that is meant to be I am |
| 12:24.24 | dustybin | why does it do that |
| 12:24.32 | xoz | dmarkey__: yep |
| 12:24.50 | xoz | dmarkey__: counterpart is NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 12:25.44 | dmarkey__ | ok well its not |
| 12:26.16 | xoz | dmarkey__: because it is cached. try logout and wait a little time. |
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| 12:27.05 | dmarkey__ | xoz: i tried it as a different user and its still happening |
| 12:28.13 | dmarkey__ | http://pastebin.com/m1e4f1272 |
| 12:28.27 | xoz | dmarkey__: try apt-get remove --purge sudo... then reinstall it. |
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| 12:32.26 | dmarkey__ | nope |
| 12:32.49 | xoz | dmarkey__: are you in sid? |
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| 12:33.14 | toolz | hi, can anyone help me setup my debian as a gateway? |
| 12:33.18 | dmarkey__ | 4.0 |
| 12:33.25 | petemc | toolz: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 12:33.38 | toolz | k |
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| 12:36.31 | toolz | seems that I lost the connection with the server |
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| 12:36.43 | toolz | at the step preparin ipmask, is it normal? |
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| 12:40.13 | toolz | something appears on the machine |
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| 12:40.37 | toolz | petemc, some lines with the IPs on that machine keeps scrolling |
| 12:41.03 | thumbnail | out of curiosity, I've found that the only distro that can boot my laptop at the moment is debian testing, everything else kernel panics or can't access the hardrive. Except debian testing. Does anyone know of any significant difference in the kernel/boot process between debian and other distros?# |
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| 12:41.41 | toolz | petemc, now after ipmask is installed, should I do anything else |
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| 12:43.03 | awk | hi, how would i rebuild my dpkg ? I see with dpkg -l a package it says is there but i can't remove it because it states it isn't there? |
| 12:43.39 | mhymn_ | awk: purge? |
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| 12:45.02 | awk | mhymn_: naa, doesn't work.. need to rebuild the whole dpkg database |
| 12:45.51 | toolz | hello? petemc? what should I do now? after ipmask was installed it keeps on scrolling all the traffic going in and out on my machine |
| 12:45.55 | toolz | and I cannot access a thing |
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| 12:49.24 | dustybin | what does apropos do? |
| 12:49.39 | toolz | hi, can anyone help me setup my debian as a gateway? |
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| 12:50.14 | dustybin | toolz: a gateway for what |
| 12:50.36 | awk | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html what does somebody think of this script? |
| 12:50.38 | awk | safe or not to use? |
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| 12:50.41 | jpinx | I've just gone from Gnoma over to lxde desktop manager on lenny -- what a speed-up !!!:) |
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| 12:51.00 | toolz | dustybin, a gateway so I can have internet on other machines from my debian machine |
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| 12:51.24 | dustybin | toolz: ok lets think logically about the situation before we procede |
| 12:52.00 | dustybin | toolz: are you planning on connecting a modem directly to the debian box? |
| 12:52.15 | Neaai | toolz: what do you get when you type: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 12:53.26 | enouf | dustybin: basically what man -k does |
| 12:53.40 | toolz | Neaai, I get 0 |
| 12:53.49 | toolz | dustybin, I have a fiber optic line plugged directly into it |
| 12:53.56 | toolz | and nother nic which plugs into a switch |
| 12:54.06 | toolz | anther* |
| 12:54.07 | enouf | dustybin: and/or whereis maybe - but i'm unsure of which tools use which databases, if any |
| 12:54.32 | Neaai | toolz: as root, do this: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 12:54.45 | enouf | dustybin: oh .. maybe i'm thinking of whatis, not whereis |
| 12:54.51 | Neaai | toolz: you have ip forwarding disabled and the above should fix that |
| 12:54.53 | toolz | Neaai, done |
| 12:55.46 | toolz | Neaai, should I restart a service or something? |
| 12:55.53 | enouf | toolz: you can look at /etc/sysctl.conf and set that setting in there |
| 12:55.55 | Neaai | toolz: have you checked that masquerade/snat is properly configured? |
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| 12:57.29 | Iradieh | :& |
| 12:57.30 | toolz | Neaai, it is not configured |
| 12:57.34 | Iradieh | I can't still start Iceweasel |
| 12:58.00 | enouf | awk: fwiw, i trust the owner of that site - and know another i trust who has space on that site |
| 12:58.14 | Iradieh | Could someone help me? I got a bare minimum installation with Xfce4, NX, OpenSSH, Irssi, screen and iceweasel. I can't start iceweasel, I type iceweasel& and then get an Exit. |
| 12:58.39 | awk | enouf: ok, thanks, |
| 12:58.43 | enouf | awk: as far as effectiveness (or possible breakage) of what the script does? dunno |
| 12:58.52 | awk | heh, :) |
| 12:59.17 | enouf | awk: sometimes - things are just ... dated (old, outdated) |
| 13:00.05 | enouf | Iradieh: leave a space in between binaryname and & sign |
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| 13:00.34 | Neaai | toolz: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o eth1 -j SNAT --to-source ip.of.outside.iface (in this example, 192.168.1.0/24 is the internal lan ip block and eth1 is the outside interface. Change those acordingly in your situation) |
| 13:00.47 | toolz | enouf, changed ipv4 to enable forwarding, |
| 13:00.54 | Iradieh | enouf: still doesnt work |
| 13:01.00 | enouf | Iradieh: "which iceweasel" says? |
| 13:01.03 | Neaai | toolz: the above will activate snat for anything that goes from lan towards outside. |
| 13:01.13 | toolz | I see |
| 13:01.23 | Iradieh | e |
| 13:01.33 | Iradieh | enouf: /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 13:01.41 | Iradieh | then below that Exit 1 iceweasel |
| 13:01.43 | toolz | so in my case I should use the /24 from my second nic which is plugged into the switch |
| 13:02.08 | Neaai | toolz: yes. the nic that it part of the internal lan |
| 13:02.16 | enouf | Iradieh: oh, as root sudo pkill iceweasel - seems you have an instance already running? type 'jobs' |
| 13:02.18 | toolz | and --to-source? |
| 13:02.50 | toolz | ip of first nic? |
| 13:02.55 | Iradieh | enouf: nothing after jobs or kill |
| 13:03.01 | Iradieh | enouf: Impossible |
| 13:03.03 | enouf | Iradieh: or, you're missing something, you need to install - like maybe Xorg :-P |
| 13:03.04 | Iradieh | it wont even start |
| 13:03.05 | Neaai | toolz: --to-source takes as parameter the ip address of the interface that faces outside, towards the uplink. |
| 13:03.09 | Iradieh | enouf: I got Xorg |
| 13:03.14 | Iradieh | enouf: it came with xfce4 |
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| 13:03.43 | toolz | so it should be the same ip on nic 2 |
| 13:03.58 | enouf | Iradieh: try other browsers ... try links2 -g maybe (it's small, fast, one binary) |
| 13:04.17 | Iradieh | enouf: I would like firefox/iceweasel :( |
| 13:04.18 | enouf | Iradieh: are you within an xfce4-session? |
| 13:04.18 | Neaai | toolz: if nic 2 is with what you connect to the internet, yes |
| 13:04.20 | Iradieh | enouf: what is the opera binary |
| 13:04.21 | Iradieh | enouf: yes |
| 13:04.38 | toolz | Neaai, yeah that will be the gateway I'd like to use on other machines |
| 13:04.39 | enouf | Iradieh: i never touch the stuff (Firepoop/Iceweasel) |
| 13:04.55 | Neaai | toolz: wait wait. |
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| 13:05.24 | toolz | ok let me explain Neaai |
| 13:05.26 | Neaai | toolz: the other machines will use as gateway THIS machine using the INTERNAL lan ip address. |
| 13:05.36 | toolz | wait a bit |
| 13:05.47 | enouf | Iradieh: for opera - IINM, you need to get the .deb from them |
| 13:05.56 | toolz | on the machine I'd like to act as a gateway I have 1 IP address from my ISP, and on that IP address I have routed a /24 |
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| 13:06.36 | toolz | Neaai, on the second nic of my machine I've put the first ip from my /24, it plugs into a switch so I'd like to use ips from that /24 on other machines and have access to the internet |
| 13:06.53 | toolz | and be recognised over the internet each with one IP from the /24 |
| 13:07.05 | enouf | toolz: ascii diagrams can help greatly in these situations ;-) |
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| 13:07.34 | cr3rzemjest | hi! how to convert '^' codes into real characters? because i have log from iptraf, and it looks like this: 7d^[[0;7m^[(B16^[[m^O9.254.5.236^[[17;38H=> 224.0.0.251^[[17;79H752b 752b 752b^[[18;38H<=^[[18;81H0b^[[89G0b^[[97G0b^M^[[19d255.255.255.255^[[19;38H=> 192.168.0.233^[[19;81H0b^[[89G0b^[[97G0b..... |
| 13:07.37 | d-b-phone | hi has anyone in here tried the lennyrc1 `rescue` option who uses luks here been able to unlock their partition ..? |
| 13:07.44 | enouf | (truly a picture that says a thousand or so words :-P) |
| 13:07.51 | cr3rzemjest | what's the ^[ anyway? |
| 13:08.14 | enouf | !tell d-b-phone -about rescue mode |
| 13:08.25 | toolz | Neaai, here is my ifconfig on the first machine: http://pastebin.com/m28765d3 |
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| 13:08.48 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: an ESC character, IIRC |
| 13:08.50 | toolz | Neaai, so I would like eth2 act as a gateway and use IPs from that /24 as external ips over the internet |
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| 13:09.04 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: man console_codes |
| 13:09.06 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, how to convert from iirc to ascii |
| 13:09.07 | Neaai | toolz: ok let me have a look |
| 13:09.08 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
| 13:09.10 | toolz | enouf, after I changed sysctl.conf should I reload something? |
| 13:09.15 | toolz | ok |
| 13:09.33 | enouf | sysctl -w would be the command to write out to file - restart sysklogd maybe |
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| 13:10.04 | enouf | toolz: but echoing a value into /proc is live |
| 13:10.09 | Neaai | toolz: to what you write, you don't need snat/masquerade as your ips are routed |
| 13:10.22 | koollman | enouf: hmm. sysklog and sysctl are very different things |
| 13:10.27 | toolz | Neaai, yeah those IPs are routed on that connections |
| 13:10.29 | toolz | connection |
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| 13:10.55 | enouf | koollman: yes, they are indeed, my bad .. i'm brainfarting |
| 13:10.55 | cr3rzemjest | sorry i still don't get how do i convert that |
| 13:10.55 | koollman | toolz: sysctl -p /path/to/sysctl.conf |
| 13:11.43 | Neaai | toolz: from the other computers, can you ping the ip xx.xx.65.182 ? |
| 13:11.48 | toolz | yes |
| 13:11.49 | cr3rzemjest | wait, its ok now |
| 13:11.52 | toolz | I mean |
| 13:11.52 | toolz | wait |
| 13:12.02 | toolz | I was able to ping 93.114.50.254 |
| 13:12.30 | toolz | yes Neaai, I can ping it |
| 13:12.32 | Neaai | toolz: that means you can reach the inside of the gateway. Now try to reach the outside |
| 13:12.58 | Neaai | toolz: what about xx.xx..65.161 ? |
| 13:13.17 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: anyways, here's a nice table for you http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Control_keys |
| 13:13.23 | toolz | cant ping outside |
| 13:13.30 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, thx |
| 13:13.44 | toolz | Neaai, nope, cant ping that |
| 13:13.51 | d-b-phone | ok |
| 13:14.05 | Neaai | toolz: you can or can't reach .65..182 ? |
| 13:14.18 | toolz | .182 yes |
| 13:14.19 | cr3rzemjest | now, how do i copy large amount of text from terminal/xterm to x application? i know the middleclick but you cant scroll vim with mouse |
| 13:14.21 | toolz | .161 no |
| 13:14.33 | toolz | I also used this: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 93.114.50.0/24 -o eth2 -j SNAT --to-source 93.114.50.254 |
| 13:14.38 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: and this will explain much about your ^[[ http://linuxgazette.net/issue65/padala.html |
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| 13:14.43 | toolz | if there's a problem |
| 13:14.43 | cr3rzemjest | except opening the text in gedit and copypasting it? |
| 13:15.05 | Neaai | toolz: invoke this to remove that: iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -s 93.114.50.0/24 -o eth2 -j SNAT --to-source |
| 13:15.17 | Neaai | oooppss. |
| 13:15.26 | Neaai | iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 93.114.50.0/24 -o eth2 -j SNAT --to-source 93.114.50.254 |
| 13:15.37 | toolz | done |
| 13:15.45 | Neaai | arghhh.... -D and not -I (delete, not insert) |
| 13:16.20 | toolz | ok |
| 13:16.31 | toolz | iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -s 93.114.50.0/24 -o eth2 -j SNAT --to-source 93.114.50.254 |
| 13:16.33 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: you can copy text with vim itself , 20Y will put wo lines in the buffer, p to print it |
| 13:16.44 | petemc | s/wo/20/ |
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| 13:17.48 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: just cat it? and vim certainly can as petemc just mentioned - or how about man cp ;-) |
| 13:17.48 | cr3rzemjest | petemc, it doesn't seem to work for me |
| 13:18.17 | toolz | Neaai, whats next..? |
| 13:18.38 | cr3rzemjest | sorry if i didn't make myself clear, my question is how to paste this log to iceweasel with opened pastebin tab |
| 13:18.44 | enouf | needs to go - see ya |
| 13:18.55 | enouf | !pastebinit |
| 13:18.55 | dpkg | from memory, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 13:19.03 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: it should, put the cursor on the furst line, press esc, 20Y , then oen the document you want the text in, put the cursor where you want the text, press esc, p |
| 13:19.04 | Neaai | toolz: you still can't ping .161 ? |
| 13:19.25 | toolz | yeah |
| 13:19.58 | cr3rzemjest | petemc, 'esc, p' is not Iceweasel command i guess |
| 13:20.05 | petemc | you said vim |
| 13:20.12 | Neaai | toolz: does iptables -L FORWARD show any output ? |
| 13:20.12 | cr3rzemjest | from vim to IW |
| 13:20.21 | toolz | no |
| 13:20.30 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: oh, right - my bad |
| 13:20.32 | toolz | Chain FORWARD (policy DROP) |
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| 13:20.37 | toolz | target prot opt source destination |
| 13:20.39 | cr3rzemjest | " from terminal/xterm to x application" .. |
| 13:20.43 | petemc | gotcha |
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| 13:21.09 | Neaai | toolz: you have a default policy DROP for the forwarded packets which are the ones you need |
| 13:21.14 | toolz | hmm this should be the problem? |
| 13:21.16 | toolz | yeah noticed |
| 13:21.30 | toolz | how do I modify it so it remains allow, even after reboot |
| 13:21.33 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 13:21.40 | Ace2016 | is there a low diskspace warning in linux |
| 13:21.56 | Ace2016 | say you only have 100mb left i think the user might want to know that |
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| 13:22.17 | Neaai | toolz: try to do: iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
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| 13:22.53 | toolz | Neaai, great internet works now on other machines :D |
| 13:23.05 | toolz | Neaai, after reboot will it remain ACCEPT? |
| 13:23.29 | d-b-phone | Ace2016: is that a problem ? if so use something like nagios |
| 13:23.47 | Neaai | toolz: probably not. There's something that sets it to DROP. |
| 13:23.51 | Ace2016 | d-b-phone: yes i'm running very low on space |
| 13:24.12 | Ace2016 | its not an enterprise server its just my personal system |
| 13:24.13 | Neaai | toolz: did you install any firewalling software of any sort ? |
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| 13:24.26 | toolz | I didn't |
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| 13:25.49 | Neaai | toolz: You could verify this with a simple reboot after all. If after that you still have DROP then something sets it as such. To what I know, vanilla setups leaves the policy as ACCEPT |
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| 13:34.18 | a_ok | I use sysklogd, however i do not know what this does: *.emrg * |
| 13:34.29 | a_ok | its the file * that confules me |
| 13:34.37 | a_ok | confuses* |
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| 13:39.00 | hjb | What the heck is this: "overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777)" |
| 13:39.09 | hjb | (mount output) |
| 13:39.29 | hjb | "overflow 1,0M 976K 48K 96% /tmp" (df output) |
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| 13:40.40 | hjb | Anyone knows where this is coming from? I've never configured /tmp that way |
| 13:40.50 | hjb | and 1MB is much too small, i think |
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| 13:41.13 | Neaai | hjb: is this related? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-sysvinit-devel/2007-June/001973.html |
| 13:41.39 | obfuscatr | anyone recommend a simple CPU benchmark tool? |
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| 13:43.16 | drasko | hi all. How to turn of anoying bell sound in xterm |
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| 13:43.49 | hjb | Neaai Ahh, yes could be |
| 13:44.05 | hjb | Neaai I've had the system disk ran out of mem yesterday |
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| 13:44.15 | hjb | And hibernated the system afterwars |
| 13:44.42 | cusco | ran out of space? |
| 13:44.45 | drasko | I found this:Open you ~/.inputrc file (i.e. /home/you/.inputrc file ... but I do not see .inputrc in my debian instalation. Where is it in debian? |
| 13:44.53 | hjb | cusco yes |
| 13:45.05 | cusco | drasko: create one |
| 13:45.11 | hjb | i meant space ;) |
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| 13:45.29 | drasko | cusco, there is not one by default? |
| 13:45.32 | cusco | /etc/inputrc |
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| 13:46.06 | tvmanukrishna1 | hello... how can i configure my webcam in gnewsense.... haven't done it yet in any linux... |
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| 13:49.32 | Neaai | hjb: you might want to find a way and either free some space for /tmp to breathe properly, or mount another partition on /tmp thus not getting affected from the main disk getting filled. |
| 13:49.56 | cusco | how do I search and replace a carriage return in a text file? |
| 13:51.09 | cusco | hjb: apt-get autoclean |
| 13:51.39 | Octalot | cusco: dos2unix in package tofrodos |
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| 13:51.58 | zykes- | hmm, does debian have somthing similar to centos / fedora "cpanspec" ? |
| 13:52.16 | stew | zykes-: i dont' know what that is, but my guess would be dh-make-perl |
| 13:52.16 | zykes- | build debian perl packages directly from cpan |
| 13:52.18 | cr3rzemjest | does anyone here have graphics tablet and use in on debian? is it hard to use tablet on linux? any model in particular? how about wacom bamboo a6? |
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| 13:52.28 | cr3rzemjest | *it |
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| 13:52.37 | stew | zykes-: apt-cache show dh-make-perl |
| 13:54.16 | Octalot | cr3rzemjest: I'm using a wacom graphire2. Was a little fiddly, but it works. |
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| 13:56.17 | cusco | Octalot: I meant to replace them carriage returns by some other character chosen by me |
| 13:56.30 | Lifeform | Hi |
| 13:56.34 | Lifeform | Anyone got a tip on a great applications that gives you a little more statistic on downloading a file in i.e. Firefox or Safari ? I miss to see how well it has performed when finishing downloading. |
| 13:57.05 | tvmanukrishnan | hello... how can i configure my webcam in debian based system?.... haven't done it yet in any GNU/Linux os... |
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| 13:57.27 | cusco | Lifeform: I did not quite understood what you mean |
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| 13:57.50 | cusco | statistics on downloading files? |
| 13:57.53 | Lifeform | yes |
| 13:58.15 | cusco | doesn't iceweasel shows you a download window? |
| 13:58.39 | Octalot | cusco: s/\r/newstuff/ |
| 13:58.47 | Lifeform | I need to check how some testfiles are downloading here... the average transfer rate... and i.e. also a running statistic on how fast it downloaded at different times |
| 13:58.50 | Lifeform | ? |
| 13:59.00 | Lifeform | i am not familiar with.. |
| 13:59.01 | cusco | Octalot: is that perl? |
| 13:59.02 | stew | tvmanukrishnan: you should find a gnewsense channel to ask |
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| 13:59.48 | Octalot | cusco: it's a regular expression (sed, perl, vim, they all take it with slight variations in syntax) |
| 13:59.51 | tvmanukrishnan | stew: not much response there... hope its same as Debian |
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| 14:00.04 | Octalot | cusco: which of those are you familiar with? |
| 14:00.05 | dlynes | Does anyone happen to know of an email mail merge for OpenOffice that actually works with SSL SMTP? |
| 14:00.25 | dlynes | I've tried the patch to mailmerge.py submitted by Debian, but it doesn't seem to work for SSL |
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| 14:00.56 | cusco | never used any unless copying it from somebody |
| 14:01.14 | kamathln | anyone knows how to search for upgrades in dependencies even if the package itself does not have any upgrades ? |
| 14:01.30 | cusco | cant nano find \n ? |
| 14:01.42 | kamathln | lik i want to check is finch's dependencies have any upgrades |
| 14:01.59 | kamathln | even though finch itself does not have any |
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| 14:02.10 | cusco | kamathln: why not upgrade all? |
| 14:02.18 | liable | kamathln: apt will upgrade them if they have new packages.. what are you talking about? |
| 14:02.22 | TiMiDo | hey can someone help me out in here. I'm getting no sound what so ever. with flash player |
| 14:02.24 | stew | kamathln: aptitude search '~Rfinch~U' |
| 14:02.25 | Octalot | cusco: \n is line feed, carriage return is \r |
| 14:02.36 | kamathln | stew: lemme try |
| 14:02.55 | Octalot | cusco: sed 's/\r/newstuff/' inputfile > outputfile |
| 14:03.13 | cusco | ok thanks let me try |
| 14:03.44 | tvmanukrishnan | is there any software for working web cam? |
| 14:03.46 | kamathln | cusco: bandwidth :-( .. i am in India |
| 14:03.54 | stew | kamathln: the ~Rfinch meaning "reverse dependency on finch" and ~U meaning "installed and upgradable" |
| 14:04.12 | kamathln | stew: I owe you |
| 14:04.17 | kamathln | it worked |
| 14:04.24 | TiMiDo | !flash player |
| 14:04.24 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 14:04.26 | kamathln | thanks a tonne |
| 14:04.32 | stew | kamathln: you're welcome |
| 14:04.52 | cusco | kamathln: can't you download stuff from a indian mirror? |
| 14:04.54 | stew | kamathln: if you wnat to upgrade those, "aptitude install '~Rfinch~U'" would work |
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| 14:06.55 | kolpur | is there any video cutter in debian ? |
| 14:07.01 | kolpur | if so please let me know |
| 14:07.06 | liable | avidemux |
| 14:07.20 | liable | from debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:07.20 | kolpur | does it have a GUI ? |
| 14:07.32 | liable | yes, its very basic though |
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| 14:08.55 | liable | cinelerra is another |
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| 14:09.14 | TiMiDo | hey can someone help me out in here. I'm getting no sound what so ever. with flash player |
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| 14:09.33 | liable | !alsa checklist |
| 14:09.34 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 14:09.52 | TiMiDo | liable, my alsa is working fine =) |
| 14:10.10 | liable | TiMiDo: from what you posted hours ago, something has a hold on your card, kill whatever it is |
| 14:10.18 | liable | likely artsd or esd |
| 14:10.38 | TiMiDo | ? |
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| 14:12.32 | TiMiDo | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 14:12.41 | TiMiDo | that error I'm getting while opening iceaweasel with terminal |
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| 14:13.20 | feroz | Anyone knows why when i try to read the same device output from /dev/usb/hiddev0 and /dev/hidraw2 using xxd, i dont get the same result? |
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| 14:16.34 | MacGyverNL_ | Does a metapackage containing the complete GNU autotools chain exist? |
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| 14:17.11 | liable | !b-e MacGyverNL_ |
| 14:17.12 | dpkg | MacGyverNL_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:17.17 | liable | MacGyverNL_: thats the closest we have |
| 14:17.19 | awk | hrm, apache2-ssl-certificate ? this doesn't exsist anymore cant find anything about it with apt-cache + apt-file? any sugestions? |
| 14:17.21 | abrotman | MacGyverNL_: debtags search role::metapackage |
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| 14:17.48 | abrotman | thinks there are too many metapackagse :) |
| 14:18.13 | abrotman | meh .. build-essential isn't even tagged that way |
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| 14:20.18 | awk | BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 14:20.25 | MacGyverNL_ | liable: I'm installing build-essential, but it doesn't install the autotools. That's why I was wondering. |
| 14:20.29 | awk | how do you create certs for apache now with apache2-ssl-certificate mising? |
| 14:20.43 | lexoplex | I'm trying to connect my laptop to our new AP, using WPA2... How do I make sure I'm configuring the right network interface? It used to be eth2 with our old AP and WEP, can I assume it's still eth2? |
| 14:21.01 | liable | MacGyverNL_: doent it pull in automake? |
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| 14:21.17 | abrotman | does not |
| 14:22.10 | lexoplex | (Etch, btw) |
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| 14:22.46 | MacGyverNL_ | liable: Nope, not afaict. |
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| 14:23.01 | MacGyverNL_ | Automake isn't exactly a build-essential either. |
| 14:23.08 | MacGyverNL_ | More like a dev-essential. |
| 14:23.19 | liable | MacGyverNL_: oh well. suck it up and just install it :P |
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| 14:23.54 | MacGyverNL_ | Yep, that's what I'm doing. |
| 14:24.04 | MacGyverNL_ | But would've been kind of pointless if a meta existed. |
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| 14:38.57 | Roconda | hi there, I want to add more swap (got currently not enough ram atm) by mounting a swap partition from my usb disk. I tried it with; "mount /dev/sda2 none" but it tells me "/dev/sda2 looks like swapspace - not mounted, mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
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| 14:39.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | How do I enable the restricted repository ? Can anyone help me |
| 14:39.57 | BattlePigeon | just a quick question: I'm about to install debian lenny on my laptop (single hdd that already has unpartitioned space reserved for debian) which already has winxp (dual boot). Can the debian-installer install grub right on its own (winxp still works and all that jazz) or does it require some manual tweaking too? |
| 14:40.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | sh4d3sl4y3r_, sounds like an ubuntu question to me. |
| 14:40.10 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what restricted repository? do you mean non-free? |
| 14:40.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << uses debian unstable |
| 14:40.25 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the what? |
| 14:40.27 | jtaji | Roconda: use the swapon command |
| 14:40.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | http://alioth.debian.org/projects/restricted/ |
| 14:40.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | this one |
| 14:40.49 | onetinsoldier | BattlePigeon, sounds like you're good to go to try and install lenny on it |
| 14:40.59 | stew | Roconda: do you really want to do swap over usb? is it a real actual hard drive in an enclosure? or a thumb drive? can you not put a swap file on an internal disk instead of a swap partition? |
| 14:41.23 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what specifically are you looking for? |
| 14:41.50 | abrotman | Roconda: why not use a swapfile ? |
| 14:42.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | firstly is there a repository called "restricted" which contains some non free software? |
| 14:42.22 | Roconda | stew: stew why isn't that smart ? |
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| 14:42.34 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what specifically are you looking for? |
| 14:42.57 | onetinsoldier | BattlePigeon, d-i will install grub np. if you get asked about installiing 'grub' or 'grub2' you might want to stick with 'grub' for now |
| 14:42.59 | Roconda | abrotman: that's very usefull |
| 14:43.08 | abrotman | Roconda: a swapfile ? |
| 14:43.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | a repository for non free software |
| 14:43.14 | BattlePigeon | onetinsoldier: ok, thanks |
| 14:43.21 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: no shit .. WHICH software? |
| 14:43.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | adobe flash, adobe reader etc |
| 14:43.44 | abrotman | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about dmm |
| 14:43.44 | Roconda | abrotman: yes |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | can't tell if Roconda is being sarcastic or not |
| 14:44.15 | Roconda | no I am not! |
| 14:45.02 | Roconda | I never had anything todo with expanding my swap, but now I'm running out of |
| 14:45.25 | abrotman | characters |
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| 14:48.11 | potek | hello all |
| 14:49.58 | BattlePigeon | :o |
| 14:50.16 | BattlePigeon | lenny can start installation from windows side? |
| 14:51.12 | jsaak | where can i check what chipset is supported by what kernel versions? (i am interested in ich9 and ich10) |
| 14:51.27 | BattlePigeon | cool |
| 14:51.32 | onetinsoldier | BattlePigeon, depends on what you mean exactly. it can't start from right inside of windows. however, d-i can beinstalled so that when you reboot you end up having the choice of booting into the d-i |
| 14:51.42 | abrotman | jsaak: the kernel changelogs and/or documentation |
| 14:51.50 | BattlePigeon | onetinsoldier: noticed |
| 14:51.51 | abrotman | !goodbye-windows |
| 14:51.54 | abrotman | really? |
| 14:51.57 | abrotman | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 14:51.58 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
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| 14:53.00 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, yes. d-i has a choice to install the d-i right from within windows. it uses a version of grub that is made to work with windows |
| 14:53.06 | StarkD | cool site |
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| 14:53.26 | abrotman | grub has worked with windows for a long time |
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| 14:54.47 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, well, what i mean is this... has the normal version of grub for linux allowed you to install itself right from windows? |
| 14:55.04 | abrotman | i think so, but i never tried |
| 14:55.11 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, perhaps i can find what i'm talking about on the net, hang on |
| 14:55.29 | abrotman | or go ask #grub |
| 14:56.03 | jsaak | abortman: i am a bit lost in kernel chagelogs, would you please so kind and give me some more info about it? |
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| 14:57.14 | abrotman | jsaak: or read the human readable documentation |
| 14:58.22 | jsaak | i do not fand any :/ |
| 14:58.26 | jsaak | find* |
| 14:58.34 | abrotman | there's a whole Documentation directory in the kernel source |
| 14:58.35 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, http://www.geocities.com/lode_leroy/grubinstall/ ...what i mean it, it replaces the 'ntldr', nt loader. a normal grub install does not do that because you normally do not install grub while in windows. no linux required |
| 14:58.46 | abrotman | uh ... |
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| 15:07.32 | cusco | Octalot: I was away I tired that sed regex now did not work |
| 15:07.37 | TiMiDo | hey can someone help me out in here. I'm getting no sound what so ever. with flash player |
| 15:07.45 | cusco | sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command |
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| 15:08.58 | valdyn | onetinsoldier: grub does not "work with windows" |
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| 15:09.07 | Lifeform | Hi |
| 15:09.11 | Lifeform | Anyone in Australia...? |
| 15:09.12 | valdyn | onetinsoldier: its only the installer that does to some limited extent |
| 15:09.20 | Lifeform | or US...? |
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| 15:09.56 | Lifeform | Need to test the transfer rate and ping to this file and location: http://de-nd-vhost1.rackcorp.com/100mbtest.bin |
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| 15:10.53 | Octalot | cusco: odd, it works for me |
| 15:10.55 | onetinsoldier | valdyn, well the version of the d-i that i used, replaces the ntldr with someting new... like gldr |
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| 15:11.50 | onetinsoldier | if you choose... i installed it and check it out. then i uninstalled it and chose to just boot straight from the cdrom |
| 15:11.58 | amphi | is in Yurp |
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| 15:13.12 | stew | cusco: show us the exact sed command |
| 15:13.31 | cusco | cusco@your-insight:~/rshare$ sed 's \r/:' teste/pass.txt > lol.txt |
| 15:13.49 | Octalot | sed 's/\r/newstuff/' inputfile > outputfile |
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| 15:14.49 | Octalot | just change the "newstuff" bit (unless you actually need a '/' in the replacement text) |
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| 15:16.22 | stew | cusco: you are trying to use a space as the separator? |
| 15:16.45 | cusco | oops |
| 15:16.57 | stew | cusco: what are you actually tring to do? replace \r with : ? |
| 15:17.12 | cusco | yes |
| 15:17.23 | stew | cusco: tr '\r' : < infile > outfile |
| 15:17.38 | cusco | thanks |
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| 15:20.21 | cr3rzemjest | does changing shell affect speed of executed script? |
| 15:20.31 | jogla | i don't think so |
| 15:20.40 | cr3rzemjest | how to speed things up |
| 15:20.57 | jogla | what do you do to get it slow? |
| 15:21.12 | cr3rzemjest | make c program with system("command") instead of script? would this be faster? |
| 15:21.31 | cr3rzemjest | for ((x=1; x<60000; x++)); do echo -e "$x\n"; command; done <- its slow |
| 15:21.33 | jogla | what kind of script is it? |
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| 15:21.36 | cr3rzemjest | ^ |
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| 15:22.01 | cr3rzemjest | sorry this is so dumb what i |
| 15:22.03 | jogla | are you sure its slow? maybe its just a lot to do |
| 15:22.11 | cr3rzemjest | m ding so i dont want to tellu wwhat the command is;p |
| 15:22.30 | cr3rzemjest | well, i'll try to make c program |
| 15:22.44 | jogla | i don't think that would be much faster |
| 15:22.53 | jogla | maybe i can find a hole better solution to your problem |
| 15:23.03 | cusco | stew: and now to replace :: (twiced colon) with a \n |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: try for i in $(seq 1 60000) ; do echo $i ; done |
| 15:23.21 | stew | cr3rzemjest: such a script would be affected by the shell it is run in, but even more by the terminal it runs in |
| 15:23.54 | stew | cusco: then use sed, but note it is 's/replaceme/withme/g' all three /s are required |
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| 15:24.55 | cusco | ok, because tr replaces all the : not only the :: |
| 15:25.07 | stew | cusco: tr replaces single characters at a time |
| 15:25.16 | cusco | ah ok |
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| 15:25.39 | jelly | cr3rzemjest: what are you really trying to do? |
| 15:26.04 | cr3rzemjest | jelly, close all ports |
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| 15:26.19 | jelly | cr3rzemjest: using which command/s? |
| 15:26.31 | jelly | cr3rzemjest: pastebin the actual script-in-progress |
| 15:26.35 | cr3rzemjest | jelly, fuser -k port/tcp |
| 15:26.39 | cusco | thank you stew |
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| 15:28.56 | jelly | cr3rzemjest: I would suggest killing only those which existed... you could use lsof -n -i tcp or /proc/net/tcp as a starting point |
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| 15:29.22 | cr3rzemjest | thx |
| 15:29.29 | cr3rzemjest | now i must quit |
| 15:29.32 | jelly | cr3rzemjest: that won't "close ports", though, only kill the processes using them |
| 15:29.39 | bohanlon` | Man, I remember when I could run GNOME and Netscape and a package manager and EMACS at the same time on a machine with 16MB of RAM. Now I am doing it in 1G, and the machine is thrashing |
| 15:30.26 | jelly | bohanlon: that Emacs thing has gotten bloated for sure! |
| 15:30.39 | bohanlon | jelly: That is what I was blaming too |
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| 15:30.53 | onetinsoldier | does anyone know if i can dri working with opensource driver with an ati 4850 hd video card? i am wondering is this card is too new for the opensource 'radeonhd' driver. and what is it that supplies the driver exactly? xorg? or the kernel? both put together? |
| 15:31.01 | onetinsoldier | can get* |
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| 15:32.19 | stew | bohanlon: how did you install netscape? |
| 15:33.06 | stew | (becuase if you mean firefox, that's your answer right there) |
| 15:33.11 | JyZyXEL | onetinsoldier check radeonhd page if ur device is supported |
| 15:33.41 | onetinsoldier | JyZyXEL, ok, so you mean at Xorg |
| 15:35.27 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 15:36.09 | E-bola | Do anybody know if there is a better/faster onboard sata controller than the intel ICH10? |
| 15:36.15 | stew | if i start emacs fresh and not do anythign with it, and i start iceweasel and do nothing, emacs uses 80MB ram, and iceweasel uses 450MB |
| 15:37.19 | onetinsoldier | darn, looks like the answer is no |
| 15:38.00 | jelly | stew: sarcasm detector failure? |
| 15:38.28 | stew | jelly: disabled |
| 15:38.59 | XTZGZoReX | Anyone here can help me with scponly? :) |
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| 15:39.17 | stew | XTZGZoReX: just ask your real question |
| 15:39.21 | XTZGZoReX | stew: roger. |
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| 15:39.47 | XTZGZoReX | I used scponly to make a user chroot to /home/hlds on login, but when I login, it seems it doesn't start any shell at all whatsoever -- both in sftp/ssh |
| 15:41.31 | lexko | is there a way to reinstall/repair apt? My apt-get is constantly throwing segmentation faults and the rm /var/apt/cache/*bin doesn't resolve any install problems |
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| 15:43.26 | Aggro | lexko: Can you reproduce the segfaults? |
| 15:43.42 | Aggro | lexko: I mean, do they happen ever time you do something special? Or are they just random? |
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| 15:44.39 | lexko | everytime I try to install |
| 15:45.28 | Aggro | lexko: Strange... You could probably try to get the apt-package manually from somewhere and try to reinstall it from that. |
| 15:45.52 | hoxu | lexko, show us the full apt-get command and output, /msg dpkg paste |
| 15:45.53 | Aggro | lexko: If that doesn't help either, you could get the debug-version and get stacktrace of it to pinpoint where it crashes |
| 15:47.10 | lexoplex | I'm running Etch and I want to use WPA2/AES. Google seems to suggest I need a custom kernel for that, but I'm not sure. Any hints? Generally, how do I find out what my 2.6.18 kernel does/doesn't support? |
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| 15:49.27 | stew | XTZGZoReX: you are using scponly, but you want chrooted users to still be able to ssh in? |
| 15:49.31 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what version of debian is this? |
| 15:49.37 | jpinx | anyone know the #channel for the epiphany browser? |
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| 15:50.05 | stew | jpinx: probably something on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:50.10 | LoneWlf | how do I make locales either generate in the background and/or how do I get in to edit them so that I can strip down the list to the 5-10 I actually need? |
| 15:50.13 | Lifeform | Hi |
| 15:50.13 | LoneWlf | anyone? |
| 15:50.19 | Lifeform | can anyone test this transfer rate for me ? |
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| 15:50.21 | Lifeform | ===> http://de-nd-vhost1.rackcorp.com/100mbtest.bin |
| 15:50.22 | jpinx | stew: ok thanks |
| 15:50.32 | hoxu | LoneWlf, that "anyone?" is redundant... |
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| 15:50.58 | Duk_work | running debian etch, can't compile wget because it can't find the compiler.... and neither can i, but apt-get tells me that it is, in fact, installed... help? |
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| 15:51.48 | hoxu | Duk_work, aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:51.50 | stew | Duk_work: install build-essential and apt-get build-dep wget ; but why are you compiling wget? |
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| 15:52.17 | lexko | Aggro: hoxu: http://paste.debian.net/22874/ |
| 15:52.34 | Duk_work | because directadmin is complaining that the current version doesn't support ssl |
| 15:52.37 | Duk_work | https |
| 15:53.34 | hoxu | lexko, nasty. Does "strace -f aptitude" show anything interesting? |
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| 15:54.05 | jpinx | I am trying to use sshfs and I'm getting an error that I don't have permissions. My local user belongs to the group fuse - does the user on the remote system also need to be a member of that group on that machine? |
| 15:54.11 | twobitsprite | I'm surprised there isn't a wget-ssl packge |
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| 15:54.49 | twobitsprite | jpinx: the user on the remote system would need permissions to access the files, I would imagine |
| 15:55.27 | twobitsprite | however, I've never used sshfs |
| 15:55.30 | Duk_work | E: Package build-essential has no installation candidate |
| 15:55.30 | hoxu | jpinx, fuse is only used at the source end |
| 15:55.40 | twobitsprite | Duk_work: aptitude update |
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| 15:56.42 | Duk_work | twobitsprite: same problem |
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| 15:57.17 | lexko | hoxu: http://paste.debian.net/22876/ something not good has happened....looks like i'm missing some nohwcap library possibly amongst other things |
| 15:57.57 | jpinx | twobitsprite: and hoxu I am logging into the home dir of the user on the remote server with a password as per ssh. |
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| 16:01.01 | twobitsprite | Duk_work: apt-cache policy build-essential |
| 16:01.18 | hoxu | !basic apt-get troubleshooting |
| 16:01.18 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also provide us with your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 16:01.20 | twobitsprite | jpinx: sorry... I don't know anything about sshfs, I was just throwing out something |
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| 16:01.47 | hoxu | jpinx, if sshfs has a verbose flag, check that, and check that your local permissions are ok |
| 16:02.00 | Duk_work | twobitsprite: none, none, blank on output |
| 16:02.14 | Duk_work | installed, candidate and version table respectively |
| 16:02.15 | hoxu | Duk_work, show us your sources.list |
| 16:02.20 | twobitsprite | Duk_work: mind pasting your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 16:02.49 | twobitsprite | Duk_work: (in a pastebin, of course :) |
| 16:03.11 | Duk_work | owwww.... can't paste it all in here? :P |
| 16:03.19 | Duk_work | http://pastebin.com/m64f92619 |
| 16:03.31 | hoxu | !tell Duk_work about sources.list |
| 16:03.35 | hoxu | Duk_work, fix it - you have no sources |
| 16:03.36 | twobitsprite | ahh |
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| 16:03.46 | twobitsprite | you only have the security updates in there |
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| 16:05.20 | jpinx | hoxu: ok - my local permissions should be good - I 777'd the mountpoint temporarily |
| 16:05.54 | hoxu | jpinx, never 777... |
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| 16:06.08 | twobitsprite | strange... pasting my sources.list on d.p.n trips the spam filter :P |
| 16:06.11 | hoxu | jpinx, does "groups" list fuse? |
| 16:06.23 | jpinx | hoxu: ok - I just did it for 2 minutes to test |
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| 16:07.07 | twobitsprite | er, p.d.n |
| 16:07.20 | LoneWlf | hoxu: but I proved several things by it, not the least of which is who is willing to admit they are paying attention. |
| 16:07.49 | XTZGZoReX | stew: I want them to be able to log in -- but only to their home dir |
| 16:08.18 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, you are thinking of chroots now |
| 16:08.20 | onetinsoldier | anyone here beside me with a Radeon 4850 HD video card? |
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| 16:08.54 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, building a chroot is not a simple thing. You need everything that a shell depends on it the chroot, plus all applications you want users to be able to run |
| 16:08.55 | twobitsprite | LoneWlf: people admitting that they are paying attention proves nothing. If people don't resond to your original question it doesn't mean they are trying to pretend like they aren't there... it generally just means they don't know the answer or don't feel like going into it |
| 16:08.59 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: yes. scponly supports chroots. |
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| 16:09.16 | jpinx | hoxu: all the groups are listed in /etc/groups -- no? |
| 16:09.16 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, what do you mean by "log in"? |
| 16:09.22 | jpinx | I can't find the file |
| 16:09.33 | hoxu | jpinx, I'm speaking of the "groups" command - /etc/group is the file - don't mess with it |
| 16:09.53 | jpinx | hoxu: ok - I was only cat'ing it |
| 16:10.03 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: simply log in to ssh/sftp and be able to read/write to files and create/delete them. nothing more, nothing less. |
| 16:10.05 | Duk_work | alright, thanks guys. |
| 16:10.07 | jpinx | but it doesn't exist - hence my question |
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| 16:11.17 | Nyha | How come that in debian, when I install Compiz and run it with gnome all the apps with scroll "laggs" when in gentoo, with a similar setup (almost the same) it works perfect |
| 16:11.20 | twobitsprite | jpinx: that's because its called /etc/group not groups |
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| 16:11.36 | chomwitt | i installed debian lenny from an iso cd . my small factor pc has a usb wifi card. Unfortunately cd1 doesnt have wireless tools. what can i do know to make it functional ? |
| 16:11.45 | jpinx | twobitsprite: ok :| |
| 16:12.33 | gribouille | hi |
| 16:12.54 | twobitsprite | !tell chomwitt about wireless |
| 16:12.56 | gribouille | is there a way to find dependency information between installed packages besides apt-cache (r)depends ? |
| 16:13.03 | jpinx | hoxu: the local user is in the group fuse according to cat /etc/group , but when I do groups as that user, fuse is not listed. What gives? |
| 16:13.15 | twobitsprite | gribouille: what's wrong with (r)depends? |
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| 16:13.29 | twobitsprite | gribouille: i.e., what are you really trying to do and why |
| 16:13.36 | hoxu | jpinx, relog, log in, log out |
| 16:13.38 | Duk_work | one last thing, build-essentials is still not installing |
| 16:13.47 | twobitsprite | build-essential |
| 16:13.51 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: come to think of it, I don't need ssh. as long as the user can write/upload/delete/read on sftp, I'm fine. |
| 16:13.57 | Duk_work | dur |
| 16:14.00 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 16:14.08 | Duk_work | slams head against wall |
| 16:14.12 | twobitsprite | I always get it confused too :) |
| 16:14.12 | Duk_work | thanks :P |
| 16:14.13 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, sftp is ssh subsystem |
| 16:14.14 | twobitsprite | np |
| 16:14.22 | gribouille | twobitsprite, I can't use (r)depends, because I want to get dependancy information between packages I built myself and installed with dpkg -i |
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| 16:14.32 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: well, if the ssh can just be "nullified" or whatever you'd call it so only sftp is usable |
| 16:14.41 | twobitsprite | gribouille: ahh... you'll need to use dpkg |
| 16:14.58 | jpinx | hoxu: ok thanks |
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| 16:15.18 | gribouille | twobitsprite, how can I get dependency information with dpkg ? |
| 16:15.45 | twobitsprite | gribouille: I'm not really sure, I'm looking over the man page |
| 16:15.55 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, what debian version are you using? |
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| 16:16.30 | hoxu | gribouille, apt-cache show <package> |
| 16:16.54 | twobitsprite | gribouille: dpkg-query -s <package> |grep Depends |
| 16:17.21 | gribouille | twobitsprite, that's only for direct dependencies |
| 16:17.23 | twobitsprite | hoxu: I don't think apt-cache will know about packages installed manually via dpkg, will it? |
| 16:17.35 | hoxu | twobitsprite, try it and see yourself |
| 16:17.48 | twobitsprite | I don't have any packages that I didn't install with apt :) |
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| 16:18.13 | hoxu | twobitsprite, works for me :) |
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| 16:18.47 | gribouille | strange, it works |
| 16:18.49 | hoxu | gribouille, why would you need anything else? |
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| 16:19.22 | gribouille | hoxu, I was sure it worked only with packages installed with apt-get |
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| 16:19.51 | chomwitt | twobitsprite: thanks. but know i see that in my new lenny installation (lsmod) there is a rt73usb module but ifconfig shows only loopback. |
| 16:20.32 | twobitsprite | sounds like you need to configure the interface |
| 16:20.34 | hoxu | gribouille, every week, millions of people are sure they will get a pony by the end of it |
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| 16:21.11 | twobitsprite | chomwitt: I don't have wireless installed on my system, so I can' varify the commands... |
| 16:21.58 | themill | to be fair, it is called *apt* cache not dpkg cache. |
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| 16:22.03 | gribouille | hoxu, why should apt-cache know about a package installed with dpkg ? |
| 16:22.11 | twobitsprite | themill: yeah, it would have confused me |
| 16:22.12 | themill | (and the man page only talks about /var/lib/apt/lists) |
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| 16:22.55 | chomwitt | twobitsprite: ok. i'll try to find and install wireless tools package as a single file. |
| 16:23.09 | hoxu | gribouille, both mess with /var/lib/dpkg/ |
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| 16:23.18 | hoxu | gribouille, why do you care anyway? |
| 16:23.19 | twobitsprite | chomwitt: does ifconfig -a show anything else? |
| 16:23.46 | gribouille | hoxu, it's strange that spt-cache knows about a package installed with dpkg, but apt-file doesn't |
| 16:24.01 | gribouille | s/spt-cache/apt-cache |
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| 16:24.17 | hoxu | gribouille, apt-file works on files downloaded from mirrors, if I'm not mistaken |
| 16:24.19 | onetinsoldier | gribouille, perhaps apt-cache uses the /var/lib/dpkg/status file... have a look at that file |
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| 16:24.23 | twobitsprite | apt-file isn't a part the apt toolchain, afaik. It's a seperate thing written by someone else, no? |
| 16:24.24 | drasko | hi all, is there some cool software for secure desktop sharing. I would like to share my desktop and presentations to a remote site over secure network connection. |
| 16:24.39 | joeytwiddle | i use vnc |
| 16:24.42 | joeytwiddle | for that |
| 16:24.56 | twobitsprite | drasko: ssh -X |
| 16:24.58 | themill | gribouille: apt-file only grabs indexes from the mirrors though. And just because it starts with apt- on the front, doesn't mean it's related. (e.g. dpkg used to be substantially written in perl, apt-listbugs is in ruby and apt-listchanges in python) |
| 16:25.02 | chomwitt | twobitsprite: a! i didnt try the -a before. now i see the wlan0 interface, but only its hardware address. no ip. |
| 16:25.08 | hoxu | twobitsprite, drasko: ssh -X isn't exactly "sharing" |
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| 16:25.26 | StrangeLoop | syslog-ng: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1+b1 is to be installed |
| 16:25.37 | StrangeLoop | syslog-ng: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1+b1 is to be installed < Does anyone know what could cause this? |
| 16:25.38 | potek | what do you guys use for anon surfing? |
| 16:25.39 | twobitsprite | chomwitt: man ifconfig, man networks |
| 16:25.42 | themill | drasko: x11vnc with ssh tunnelling is pretty much your only option. |
| 16:25.54 | hoxu | themill, dpkg used to be written in perl? Really? :) |
| 16:25.58 | twobitsprite | hoxu: you're right, I misread the question |
| 16:26.08 | twobitsprite | potek: other than tor? |
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| 16:26.25 | hoxu | StrangeLoop, show us your sources.list and prepare to be spanked |
| 16:26.28 | gribouille | themill, apt-file - APT package searching utility -- command-line interface |
| 16:26.34 | drasko | themill, is there something that integrates voip, some king of conference call with posibility of "remote presentation" |
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| 16:26.47 | themill | drasko: not that I know of. |
| 16:26.55 | chomwitt | twobitsprite: ok thanks. so can i do it whithot wireless tools? (i'll need to set an wifi encryption password among others) |
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| 16:27.09 | gribouille | themill, the programming language is just an implementation detail |
| 16:27.23 | StrangeLoop | hoxu: http://pastebin.ca/12760041~ |
| 16:27.25 | twobitsprite | chomwitt: ohh yeah... you might need that then |
| 16:27.29 | themill | gribouille: not really... they are largely unrelated pieces of software |
| 16:27.43 | chomwitt | twobitsprite: ok . thanks. |
| 16:27.48 | onetinsoldier | drasko, skype? i dunno. i've never used skype, but perhaps that is what your looking for? |
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| 16:27.50 | twobitsprite | gribouille: but a detail which indicates something, namely that they were most likely writen by different people, etc |
| 16:28.06 | onetinsoldier | themill, hello, how are you? |
| 16:28.07 | hoxu | StrangeLoop, paste working urls |
| 16:28.18 | StrangeLoop | http://pastebin.ca/1276004 |
| 16:28.29 | themill | hoxu: most of dpkg-dev still is and istr bits of the original dpkg were too (but have been replaced by C bits for speed) |
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| 16:28.43 | hoxu | themill, ewwwwww |
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| 16:28.56 | hoxu | themill, when was that, happen to remember? |
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| 16:29.05 | drasko | onetinsoldier, skype for voip, ok ,but I thought if there is one bundle to integrate both voip + desktop sharing |
| 16:29.07 | themill | hoxu: Mon Nov 28 02:00:13 GMT 1994 Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk>: * dpkg.pl completely rewritten |
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| 16:29.26 | hoxu | themill, that's damn old. You got to be too, if you remember that! |
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| 16:29.48 | gribouille | themill, the problem is not apt-file, but apt-cache |
| 16:29.59 | hoxu | gribouille, what's your problem? |
| 16:30.00 | themill | gribouille: what problem? |
| 16:30.01 | onetinsoldier | drasko, i wouldnt' know. no bundle that i can think of like that. skype plus vnc is the closest i can think of |
| 16:30.23 | StrangeLoop | I ought to be spanked, though |
| 16:30.30 | StrangeLoop | Never thought of apt-get update :/ |
| 16:30.48 | hoxu | StrangeLoop, you are mixing stable and testing? |
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| 16:31.01 | StrangeLoop | hoxu: actually, it's not my server |
| 16:31.02 | themill | !spank StrangeLoop |
| 16:31.02 | dpkg | bends StrangeLoop over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:31.12 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 16:31.14 | abrotman | drasko: there are non-free things |
| 16:31.16 | StrangeLoop | I didn't install it, I'm just trying to make do with what I was given |
| 16:31.22 | gribouille | hoxu, themill : are apt-* commands aware of packages installed with dpkg ? |
| 16:31.28 | hoxu | StrangeLoop, nuke it from the orbit and start from scratch |
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| 16:31.36 | StrangeLoop | That's not a possibility |
| 16:31.45 | stew | gribouille: which commands in particular? |
| 16:31.50 | hoxu | gribouille, I think we just established apt-cache knows of them and apt-file doesn't. What's your problem? |
| 16:31.51 | themill | gribouille: well you've just demonstrated that apt-cache is. And apt-get certainly is when it comes to dependency resolution. |
| 16:32.08 | drasko | abrotman, I actually need some software just to do remote presentation, no interaction needed, so VNC is overkill |
| 16:32.20 | gribouille | stew, apt-cache |
| 16:32.25 | stew | apt-file only nows about what is available from the repositories, as its just downloading the repositories Contents.gz files |
| 16:32.35 | stew | gribouille: yes, apt-cache knows about files installed with dpkg |
| 16:32.43 | gribouille | hoxu, themill : but is it by design or by accident ? |
| 16:32.44 | onetinsoldier | themill, hello, how are you? i figured out the problem i was having with dpkg -l cutting of the names of packages after 30 chars when piped into less |
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| 16:32.57 | themill | onetinsoldier: ahh yes.. how did you go with it? |
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| 16:33.29 | hoxu | gribouille, eh. I think you fail to realize how apt-file works, and what it does, and how it's different from the essential package management tools - happy manpage reading! |
| 16:33.43 | abrotman | drasko: there's a java one, but have not tried it |
| 16:33.45 | twobitsprite | hm... I seem to be having termcap issues... I hate that |
| 16:34.02 | gribouille | hoxu, forget aboiut apt-file. I'm talking about apt-ache |
| 16:34.12 | stew | gribouille: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 16:34.16 | themill | stew: does apt-cache know about installed files at all? (as opposed to dpkg) |
| 16:34.23 | hoxu | he's either trolling or very curious |
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| 16:34.36 | twobitsprite | is anyone running putty -> ssh -> screen here that can tell me what their TERM/putty settings are? |
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| 16:34.48 | hoxu | gribouille, man dpkg; man apt-get; man apt-cache - check the FILES sections and examine /var/lib/dpkg/ if you are interested of these things |
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| 16:34.58 | stew | themill: afaik, apt-cache has nothign to do with files contained in pacakges, just the packages themselves |
| 16:34.59 | gribouille | stew: I want to get dependancy information between packages I built myself and installed with dpkg -i |
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| 16:35.24 | hoxu | gribouille, which you can get with apt-cache |
| 16:35.29 | abrotman | drasko: let me see if i can find it .. thought i had bookmarked it |
| 16:35.31 | themill | stew: yes, that's what I thought too. I just wasn't sure what you meant by: [16:32] <stew> gribouille: yes, apt-cache knows about files installed with dpkg |
| 16:35.31 | twobitsprite | gribouille: I thought we resolved this...? |
| 16:35.35 | stew | gribouille: you can use "dpkg -s packagename" for an installed package or "dpkg -I foo.deb" for one that is not installed |
| 16:35.44 | onetinsoldier | themill, well, i haven't used linux in a few years, until recently, naturally things have changed with dpkg. you used to have to set the COLUMNS environment variable. but now, if you do that, it messes up the output of piped dpkg -l. so pffft, my bad |
| 16:36.01 | gribouille | twobitsprite, I repeated my question fot stew |
| 16:36.02 | stew | themill: i was taking "files" to mean *.deb at that point |
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| 16:36.13 | themill | stew: ahh, I now understand :) |
| 16:36.27 | twobitsprite | hmm, lunch time |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | drasko: https://jxta-remote-desktop.dev.java.net/ |
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| 16:37.03 | drasko | abrotman, tnx |
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| 16:37.45 | gribouille | it isn't easy to cope with the dozens of dpkg*, deb*, dh* and apt* commands |
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| 16:38.07 | themill | gribouille: you don't need to though. |
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| 16:38.40 | hoxu | !be a package management barbie |
| 16:38.40 | dpkg | Aww, package management is HARD! Let's go shopping, hoxu |
| 16:38.44 | onetinsoldier | gribouille, yeah. it should be like the lord of the rings... one ring to rule them all, one command to rule them all.. hehe! |
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| 16:39.09 | gribouille | onetinsoldier, it's really far from it |
| 16:39.17 | gribouille | onetinsoldier, it's rather the opposite |
| 16:39.19 | themill | gribouille: for the most part, you'll never use anything other than apt-cache and aptitude, perhaps with apt-file very occasionally. If you're not doing packaging, the rest of the dpkg-* and dh* commands are irrelevant to you |
| 16:39.46 | gribouille | themill, but I *do* packaging |
| 16:39.56 | onetinsoldier | gribouille, it was just a little joke on my part. nothing either literal or sarcastic |
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| 16:40.23 | themill | gribouille: in which case you should be experienced enough to get on top of them without too much trouble... :P |
| 16:40.35 | hoxu | gribouille, then get familiar with the system. It's HARD! But you can go shopping in between |
| 16:40.59 | onetinsoldier | it takes time. and if you don't use it, you lose it |
| 16:41.33 | gribouille | I've already read the manuals |
| 16:41.38 | hoxu | :-O |
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| 16:41.44 | hoxu | qotd |
| 16:41.47 | gribouille | but there should be a big picture |
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| 16:43.53 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question how come every time i reboot my pc. my alsa does not start up. i need to do alsaconf at rebooting. and it's getting annoying can someone help me? |
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| 16:44.32 | joeytwiddle | there should be an alsa init script in /etc/init.d and links to it from /etc/rc<something> |
| 16:44.46 | joeytwiddle | maybe you haven't asked gentoo to add the links - check the gentoo alsa howto! |
| 16:45.00 | cahoot | TiMiDo: alsa-utils installed? |
| 16:45.05 | TiMiDo | yes it is cahoot |
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| 16:45.21 | joeytwiddle | owh wrong channel sorry |
| 16:45.34 | joeytwiddle | don't check the gentoo howto, it really won't help :> |
| 16:45.41 | cahoot | TiMiDo: what if you run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? |
| 16:46.11 | TiMiDo | Sound system to use: cahoot do i used alsa? |
| 16:46.20 | cahoot | yes |
| 16:46.50 | Craz | does someone know how to hide system processes from command "ps". Of course root could see them, but other users proly not :P |
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| 16:47.18 | onetinsoldier | i am confused on whether the xorg 7.4 driver release would give me dri support. the page saysxf86-video-ati 6.9.x: Support for r5xx/r6xx/r7xx (RadeonHD 1xxx/2xxx/3xxx) devices added. i have an R770 chipset, but my card is 4xxx, so right now i am like huh? anyone have any idea? |
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| 16:47.57 | abrotman | ask #xorg ? |
| 16:48.06 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, ok.. roger that |
| 16:48.17 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, damn fine idea |
| 16:48.36 | gribouille | hoxu, the FILES section of the man page for apt-cache mentions only /etc/apt/sources.list, /var/lib/apt/lists/ and /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ |
| 16:49.23 | hoxu | gribouille, it also lists apt-get(8) in see also, and apt-get lists dpkg(8) :P |
| 16:49.49 | gribouille | hoxu, what a luck |
| 16:49.50 | gribouille | ! |
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| 16:51.51 | themill | gribouille: /var/lib/dpkg/status is also explicitly mentioned as being part of the source of the cache that is being searched. |
| 16:51.56 | onetinsoldier | they said nope |
| 16:52.10 | BattlePigeon | I have a FAT32 partition that I've shared between winxp and debian. Now I'm trying to give ownership for it to me (from root) but it gives only "Operation not permitted" |
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| 16:52.44 | BattlePigeon | it won't allow me to change ownership on even a single file |
| 16:53.12 | jpinx | BattlePigeon: vfat and ntfs filesystems do not support permissions |
| 16:53.43 | BattlePigeon | ok, so how do I go about allowing me to edit the contents of it? |
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| 16:53.46 | hoxu | BattlePigeon, man mount; see the options for vfat |
| 16:53.47 | Shadow_Master | ntfs does, although the linux driver doesn't support that AFAICT |
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| 16:54.03 | hoxu | !vfatrw |
| 16:54.03 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 16:54.24 | BattlePigeon | hoxu: thanks |
| 16:55.44 | stew | < gribouille> but there should be a big picture |
| 16:55.49 | stew | gribouille: have you read the apt-howto? |
| 16:56.32 | stew | gribouille: if you think there should be an additional manpage, by all means write one |
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| 16:57.10 | hoxu | having read the existing manpages it must be an easy task :P |
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| 16:57.48 | stew | except that the way the apt manpages are authored is a little wonky |
| 16:57.56 | stew | you have to edit config files n stuff |
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| 16:58.35 | Iradieh | http://pastie.org/331024 |
| 16:58.46 | Iradieh | Could someone take a look at that, trying to get NFS to work in lenny |
| 16:59.02 | stew | i know becuase they only accepted my part of the patch that had the new manpage, but not the config file where it pulls AUTHORS from which is why i'm not listed as the author on apt-mark :) |
| 17:00.08 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, what version of debian are you running? cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:01.17 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: read .. he said lenny |
| 17:01.31 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, doh! i should pay more attention |
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| 17:02.01 | onetinsoldier | wonders if he is still not awake yet |
| 17:02.07 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: Lenny |
| 17:02.19 | stew | Iradieh: show us the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/nfc-common start" |
| 17:02.25 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, roger that. |
| 17:03.00 | abrotman | is statd running/installed ? |
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| 17:03.14 | Iradieh | stew: no file or dir |
| 17:03.31 | cahoot | nfs-common |
| 17:03.33 | Iradieh | And is there a way to chown everythin in a folder? I copied over some older files that are root |
| 17:03.35 | stew | Iradieh: sorry that should be nfs not nfc |
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| 17:03.55 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, chown -r? |
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| 17:04.32 | RichiH | any idea what tools are able to restore data from NTFS partitions? |
| 17:04.45 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, it's chown -R |
| 17:05.09 | Iradieh | stew: dunno if thos matters |
| 17:05.17 | Iradieh | stew: but I just installed apache2 to show you he output |
| 17:05.20 | Iradieh | and I got the error with nfs again |
| 17:05.24 | Iradieh | I think apache installed though |
| 17:05.46 | Iradieh | stew: subby.zapto.org/log.txt |
| 17:05.52 | stew | Iradieh: yes, you will get this error with every apt transaction until it is fixed |
| 17:05.53 | Iradieh | http://subby.zapto.org/log.txt |
| 17:06.54 | Iradieh | stew: hmm I tried >> to append to a the file but it wont give everything, it is alot longer in bash |
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| 17:07.14 | stew | Iradieh: use >> file 2>&1 |
| 17:07.27 | gribouille | does apt-cache depends list indirect dependencies ? |
| 17:07.29 | stew | Iradieh: (becuase -x is putting stuff on stderr not stdout) |
| 17:07.46 | Iradieh | stew: how do I use that? |
| 17:07.48 | stew | gribouille: no |
| 17:07.52 | stew | gribouille: but dotty does |
| 17:08.12 | gribouille | stew, what's that ? |
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| 17:08.19 | TiMiDo | hey where can i see my kernel configuration. |
| 17:08.20 | Iradieh | stew: http://pastie.org/331040 |
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| 17:08.23 | TiMiDo | the one you download from debian? |
| 17:08.26 | stew | Iradieh: instead of "bash -x whatever >> file" use "bash -x whatever >> file 2>&1" |
| 17:08.35 | cahoot | TiMiDo: in /boot |
| 17:08.41 | Iradieh | stew: I added on that http://pastie.org/331040 |
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| 17:08.46 | endra | hey |
| 17:09.00 | stew | Iradieh: you have to run it as root |
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| 17:09.12 | TiMiDo | cahoot, can i copy. it to my new kernel that Ive downloaded it from kernel.org? |
| 17:09.15 | endra | what could be the problem if I do 'ping google.com' on my dedicated machine, and it responds 40ms for each ping but I can only see the result every few seconds? |
| 17:09.40 | cahoot | TiMiDo: you can but I can't reaaly see why |
| 17:10.02 | stew | TiMiDo: yes |
| 17:10.03 | TiMiDo | cahoot, i put config-2.6.26-1-486 configuration. |
| 17:10.09 | TiMiDo | on the kernel directory |
| 17:10.09 | Neaai | endra: maybe icmp traffic throttling from the hoster ? |
| 17:10.11 | Iradieh | stew: http://subby.zapto.org/log.txt |
| 17:10.17 | TiMiDo | is that okey? |
| 17:10.21 | TiMiDo | or I have to put something else. |
| 17:10.29 | TiMiDo | another name perhaps |
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| 17:10.41 | stew | TiMiDo: .config then "make oldconfig". what cpu do you have? |
| 17:10.49 | TiMiDo | k7 |
| 17:11.44 | stew | TiMiDo: then you probably want to be using a 686 kernel and not a 486 kernel |
| 17:11.50 | stew | TiMiDo: how much RAM do you have? |
| 17:11.57 | TiMiDo | 1 gn |
| 17:11.59 | TiMiDo | *1 gb |
| 17:12.18 | stew | Iradieh: is there a rpc.statd process already running? |
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| 17:12.39 | Iradieh | stew: dunno |
| 17:12.44 | stew | Iradieh: check |
| 17:13.02 | Iradieh | ehm how |
| 17:13.07 | Iradieh | ps |Â grep =? |
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| 17:14.39 | stew | sure, or "pgrep rpc.statd" |
| 17:14.56 | Iradieh | stew: can't fnd anything |
| 17:15.29 | endra | Neaai: I don't think so. It seems to get the packets correctly when I ping as it responds with 40ms time, but maybe the network is not sending them to me |
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| 17:16.14 | Neaai | endra: can you connect from anywhere to this box, remotely? or the other way around, from the box to some remote location? via ssh for eg ? |
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| 17:16.44 | stew | Iradieh: what happens if you run "rpc.statd -F -d" as root? |
| 17:17.03 | Iradieh | 12/04/2008 18:16:56 rpc.statd[3891]: Version 1.1.2 Starting |
| 17:17.03 | Iradieh | 12/04/2008 18:16:56 rpc.statd[3891]: Flags: No-Daemon Log-STDERR |
| 17:17.03 | Iradieh | Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused |
| 17:17.03 | Iradieh | : unable to register (statd, 1, udp). |
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| 17:17.53 | endra | Neaai: I am in SSH but when I type, it takes time to show up on the screen.. and when I ping from the box to another host, it returns 40ms but it takes SSH a few seconds for it to send it to my screen |
| 17:18.01 | stew | Iradieh: what does "pgrep portmap" return? |
| 17:18.21 | stew | Iradieh: (and please don't paste multiple lines in here in the future) |
| 17:18.51 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: Still around? Debian Sid |
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| 17:19.14 | Neaai | endra: the ping sequence numbers, are they continuous or you have gaps in between the replies ? |
| 17:19.21 | Iradieh | stew: nothing |
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| 17:19.43 | stew | Iradieh: try "/etc/init.d/portmap start" then see if /etc/init.d/nfs-common start works |
| 17:19.44 | endra | Neaai: where can I find the sequence number? |
| 17:20.01 | endra | Neaai: found it, they are continuous |
| 17:20.30 | endra | Neaai: does this mean the issue is between my host and the dedicated machine? |
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| 17:21.00 | Iradieh | stew: Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
| 17:21.47 | stew | Iradieh: does "pgrep portmap" now return a number? |
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| 17:22.11 | Neaai | endra: I'd check with the network people of where and how the machine is connected to be online. It could be some traffic shape / QoS thing what you are experiencing. Or some routing issues with the packets going to an fro that machine. |
| 17:22.56 | endra | Neaai: thank you |
| 17:23.02 | Iradieh | stew: no, nothing |
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| 17:23.34 | stew | Iradieh: did "/etc/init.d/portmap start" succeed? |
| 17:23.48 | Iradieh | seivan@subby:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/portmap restart |
| 17:23.48 | Iradieh | Stopping portmap daemon.... |
| 17:23.48 | Iradieh | Starting portmap daemon...Already running.. |
| 17:23.50 | Iradieh | Ops |
| 17:23.51 | Iradieh | sorry |
| 17:24.01 | Iradieh | Is three lines ok or should I pastebin that ammount? |
| 17:24.19 | onetinsoldier | 2 is the usual that's ok as far as i know |
| 17:24.21 | Iradieh | stew: I can stop it completly, and start it and will still say Already Running |
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| 17:25.02 | stew | Iradieh: show us the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/portmap restart" |
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| 17:25.23 | xorl | Is it required to reboot to get my TZ to stick. |
| 17:25.34 | xorl | Other than forcing it into my bash_rc |
| 17:25.37 | xorl | bah bashrc* |
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| 17:25.59 | xorl | changed the TZ of the system but it appears to have done little |
| 17:26.25 | Iradieh | stew: http://subby.zapto.org/log.txt |
| 17:26.37 | drasko | Does anyone know of any good Open Source Webinar software? |
| 17:26.43 | xorl | n/m got it |
| 17:26.52 | xorl | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 17:26.54 | onetinsoldier | xorl, what did you do? |
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| 17:27.05 | onetinsoldier | xorl, roger that |
| 17:27.08 | stew | Iradieh: did you run that as root? |
| 17:27.16 | xorl | I did tzselect first thought it would change it. |
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| 17:27.18 | stew | no, you didn't |
| 17:27.20 | xorl | didn't do it. |
| 17:27.21 | stew | Iradieh: run that as root |
| 17:27.45 | Iradieh | stew: refrehs the page |
| 17:27.49 | Iradieh | stew: refresh* |
| 17:28.02 | stew | bah |
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| 17:28.20 | stew | Iradieh: can you run "/etc/init.d/portmap stop ; bash -x /etc/init.d/portmap start" as root |
| 17:28.32 | endra | !load average |
| 17:28.32 | dpkg | [load average] the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. it's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, eg: I/O, network socket responses. |
| 17:28.52 | Iradieh | stew: ok.. you want the output as well? |
| 17:28.58 | stew | Iradieh: yes |
| 17:29.56 | Iradieh | stew: refresh |
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| 17:30.16 | stew | ... |
| 17:30.28 | stew | Iradieh: all of these commands i'm telling you to run must be run as root |
| 17:31.24 | Iradieh | stew: I DID |
| 17:31.28 | stew | Iradieh: no, you didn't |
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| 17:31.59 | Iradieh | stew: sudo /etc/init.d/portmap stop > log.txt ; sudo bash -x /etc/init.d/portmap start >> log.txt 2>&1 |
| 17:32.03 | Iradieh | stew: Sorry for caps* |
| 17:32.07 | Iradieh | stew: refresh the page |
| 17:32.58 | stew | Iradieh: now does 'pgrep portmap" return a pid? |
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| 17:34.12 | Iradieh | 4012 |
| 17:34.13 | Iradieh | stew: 4012 |
| 17:34.15 | Iradieh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.18 | Iradieh | Is that a good thing? |
| 17:34.50 | karikari | hi, I am looking for a program that counts the traffic on network interfaces and gives me detailed summaries, eg into an database |
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| 17:35.25 | Iradieh | karikari: when you find one, tell me :) |
| 17:35.38 | hoxu | karikari, vnstat is one |
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| 17:36.16 | rgr | Does Zabbix do something similar too? |
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| 17:36.37 | mathias_ | I have a problem with my debian-laptop: After installing the nvidia-driver, my tty are blank, and the lcd is as black as it is, when it does not support a resolution - I have googled but none of the solutions did work for me. Has anybody ever encounted such a problem? |
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| 17:38.01 | Iradieh | mathias_: what card? |
| 17:38.07 | adb | mathias_: ask @#nvidia |
| 17:38.11 | testi | I have cifs shares mounted, but when my computer loses the connection to the network and regains the connection later, the samba share is no longer available |
| 17:38.26 | rgr | adb: #nvidia dont know much about debian ... |
| 17:38.28 | onetinsoldier | karikari, i don't know about a databse, but iptraf does have a logging option. |
| 17:38.34 | onetinsoldier | database* |
| 17:38.38 | testi | the same applies for sshfs mounts. How can I correct that? NFS for example can deal with it, without problems |
| 17:39.00 | mathias_ | adb: thanks, will do. |
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| 17:39.17 | rgr | mathias_: did you run nvidia-settings as root? |
| 17:39.48 | mathias_ | Yeah, guess I also did sometime. |
| 17:39.55 | rgr | And how did you install the driver? Did you use the nvidia installer or the support nvidia-glx from the repositories? |
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| 17:40.37 | mathias_ | rgr: After installing through the repositories my whole system got unresponsible, so I reinstalled it and tried the one from nvidia.com |
| 17:40.48 | karikari | hoxu and onetinsoldier, thanks, I'm going to check these out! |
| 17:40.48 | stew | Iradieh: now try /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart |
| 17:40.55 | mathias_ | rgr: No problem with installing them, everything works - without the ttys |
| 17:41.00 | stew | Iradieh: yes, this is a good thing, you just needed to run these commands as root |
| 17:41.02 | ghostkni1e | I need to install openssh on another machine tomorrow (one without internet access). It has the same version of debian that I have though, so I figured I'd check what packages i need and take those along. How can I list the whole dependency tree of a package? |
| 17:41.18 | rgr | mathias_: I'm not sure I understand. X works, but ttys dont? |
| 17:41.30 | onetinsoldier | karikari, ok, good luck.. not sure iptraf is the kind of util you are wanting, but thought i'd mention it |
| 17:41.40 | Iradieh | stew: it started, should I try installing a packjage to see if I still get those errrors? |
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| 17:42.00 | mathias_ | rgr: You are right. Everything works, but ctrl+alt+(1-6) doesnt - my monitor is powered off it seems, as it could not support the resolution. It does that after the nvidia driver is loaded |
| 17:42.26 | stew | Iradieh: yes, or "dpkg --configure -a" or "apt-get -f install" to finish installing the package |
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| 17:42.50 | Iradieh | stew: THANKS Alot :) |
| 17:42.55 | Iradieh | stew: better make a backup out of this I guess |
| 17:43.00 | Iradieh | stew: <3 Thanks hun |
| 17:43.10 | karikari | onetinsoldier: I was hoping I could find one where I could display summaries based on traffic per specific ip networks, eg I would like to count traffic going outside the country separately from local traffic |
| 17:43.18 | ghostkni1e | How can I even just list the dependencies for a package? |
| 17:43.52 | karikari | vnstat is exactly what I need without the option of getting details for specified ip networks |
| 17:44.16 | ghostkni1e | because dpkg --help isn't helping |
| 17:44.17 | onetinsoldier | karikari, yeah, i don't know. sorry. someone else might tho |
| 17:44.22 | ghostkni1e | Is it even possible? |
| 17:44.29 | adb | GhostInTheShell: apt-cache depends package? |
| 17:44.41 | karikari | thanks anyway |
| 17:44.45 | stew | ghostkni1e: have a look at apt-zip ; apt-cache depends pacakgename would tell you but it isn't recursive |
| 17:45.06 | adb | sorry GhostInTheShell was for ghostkni1e |
| 17:45.21 | ghostkni1e | stew: recursive isn't a problem. Will see if I can script it. thanks for the info |
| 17:45.37 | stew | ghostkni1e: apt-zip will script it for you |
| 17:45.47 | ghostkni1e | stew: yeah I saw. apt-zip looking good :> |
| 17:45.51 | ghostkni1e | hugs stew |
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| 17:46.11 | rgr | mathias_: do you have a vga line on your kernel grub line? |
| 17:46.12 | Iradieh | Does anyone know if there is a way to limit the bandwith for a certain user? |
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| 17:46.28 | rgr | e.g vga=792 |
| 17:46.31 | ghostkni1e | stew: I have to go 2.8km underground and install openssh on 10 trains. so this has to work first time. if it doesn't 8 hours is wasted waiting to come upstairs, and then to try again tomorrow. |
| 17:46.45 | mathias_ | rgr: no, I did not. I tried to set one, but that didnt help |
| 17:46.46 | rgr | look in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:47.31 | rgr | what one did you try? |
| 17:47.31 | mathias_ | I know - no vga=XXX there. |
| 17:47.45 | mathias_ | Umh, i tried my native lcd resolution and 1024x768 |
| 17:47.52 | mathias_ | Dont know the codes at this moment. |
| 17:47.58 | rgr | mathias : try a vga=791 for 1024x768 |
| 17:48.07 | mathias_ | Yep, tried that one |
| 17:48.13 | rgr | you will need to reboot. |
| 17:48.19 | mathias_ | I know, I have. |
| 17:48.29 | onetinsoldier | ghostkni1e, have you tried apt-cache show <package> ? |
| 17:48.44 | rgr | and you're 100% sure it was on the right kernel? Did you notice a difference in the boot screen status? |
| 17:48.51 | drasko | how to host a dim dim meeting on debian? It is coplaining about flash player missing, but flash plugin is there |
| 17:48.55 | mathias_ | rgr: Yep, I saw the difference at once. |
| 17:48.59 | ghostkni1e | onetinsoldier: yes, saw the depends line. is that recursive though? |
| 17:49.01 | Iradieh | Does anyone know how to see the CPU temp with CLI? |
| 17:49.40 | rgr | mathias_: It could be something wrong with frequencies in your Corg.conf monitor sections where the change from X to full screen mode causes the monitor to lock. |
| 17:49.55 | rgr | s/Corg/xorg |
| 17:50.13 | mathias_ | rgr: Alright - but I havent set any frequencies in there |
| 17:50.25 | stew | ghostkni1e: why not just bring a debian install cd, all the packages you need for ssh would be on the first cd |
| 17:50.33 | onetinsoldier | ghostkni1e, recursive? apt-cache will shoe the deps... then are wondering what all the deps of 'those deps' are? |
| 17:50.41 | onetinsoldier | s/shoe/show |
| 17:50.45 | Iradieh | Does anyone know how to see the CPU temp with CLI? |
| 17:50.58 | ghostkni1e | onetinsoldier: basically |
| 17:50.59 | rgr | mathias_: out of ideas I'm afraid but you saying the monitor turns off suggests bad freqs. |
| 17:51.00 | stew | Iradieh: try "acpi -t" |
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| 17:51.11 | ghostkni1e | stew: I know, but I can't find the bloody thing. |
| 17:51.24 | mathias_ | rgr: As its a laptop I can only assume. Its getting black as hell, I dont think thats just a black screen. |
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| 17:51.31 | ghostkni1e | stew: I think it's at the office, and I don't have access to that till Monday |
| 17:51.31 | stew | ghostkni1e: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 17:51.40 | onetinsoldier | ghostkni1e, no.. i'm pretty it won't show that |
| 17:51.53 | Iradieh | stew: doesnt exist, do I need to install? |
| 17:52.11 | ghostkni1e | stew: I have concidered all those, but I have to leave in 7 hours. Wont finish downloading. |
| 17:52.42 | mathias_ | rgr: some threads I got out of google said something about setting some paramters in the /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia file, but there is no such file under debian - the thread was for ubuntu |
| 17:52.43 | ghostkni1e | stew: trust me, my current path of action was the last on my list |
| 17:52.56 | ghostkni1e | it seems I need apt-zip on both machines :/ |
| 17:53.48 | stew | ghostkni1e: install a chroot with debootstrap. chroot in and run "aptitude install openssh-server" then all the deb's you'd possibly need are in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:53.54 | rgr | mathias_: there might be on some install.s There were so many dodgy "howto"s knocking around in the past you would not believe it. I've settled on the nvidia-glx now and haven't looked back. |
| 17:54.08 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, try installing acpi |
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| 17:54.42 | mathias_ | rgr: I installed nvidia-glx and my ttys would not work - but also I could not run my root terminal in gnome nor do a "su" in a normal terminal in gnome |
| 17:54.43 | stew | Iradieh: yes, and if that doens't work, you can try lm-sensors |
| 17:55.31 | mathias_ | rgr: basiclly all programs that require my root password did not start anymore after apt-get install nvidia-glx :| |
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| 17:55.35 | Iradieh | stew: I installed both |
| 17:55.47 | Iradieh | stew: acpi -t didn't work, acpi -V gave me |
| 17:55.47 | Iradieh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.47 | Iradieh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.02 | ghostkni1e | stew: you might just be a genius, you know that :> |
| 17:56.17 | stew | Iradieh: "modprobe thermal" and try again, if that doesn't work, try lm_sensors |
| 17:56.45 | stew | ghostkni1e: no, i just spend too much time here |
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| 17:57.15 | Iradieh | stew: lm_sensors doesnt exist (I intalled it) I also did modprobe thermal with and without root, nothing |
| 17:57.25 | twobitsprite | mathias_: what happens when you su/sudo? |
| 17:57.34 | stew | Iradieh: you installed it, but it doesn't exist? |
| 17:57.34 | ghostkni1e | stew: it has that effect doesn't it ;> |
| 17:57.55 | rgr | mathias_: wow. Never heard that. I do know that I ended up reinstalling after a mess with howtos and the nvidia installer. |
| 17:58.11 | mathias_ | twobitsprite: I dont know anymore - I reinstalled debian, because the most apps did not work anymore |
| 17:58.16 | Iradieh | stew: yes |
| 17:58.19 | mathias_ | rgr: yeah, its that bad. |
| 17:58.21 | Iradieh | stew: I intalled lm-sensors |
| 17:58.48 | stew | Iradieh: what do you mean by "it doesn't exist"? |
| 17:58.48 | Iradieh | stew: tried lm_sensors tried lm-sensor as well |
| 17:59.04 | ghostkni1e | stew: do I need to download something for the bootstrap? |
| 17:59.06 | Iradieh | stew: The command lm-sensor doesn't work, command not found |
| 17:59.13 | rgr | mathias_: if you ever do reinstall I strongly suggest you stay away from nvidia installer. Its frowned upon in debian support:-; There is some one liner you can issue which sets up nvidia-glx properly. |
| 17:59.26 | rgr | , nvidia |
| 17:59.32 | stew | Iradieh: are you sure that is the right command? |
| 17:59.45 | mathias_ | twobitsprite: Oh, great, I got it again - su asks for the password and then just says there is an error. |
| 17:59.51 | Iradieh | stew: lm_sensors doesn't work either |
| 18:00.11 | rgr | ubuntu forum, but the debain one liner - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-174239.html |
| 18:00.36 | rgr | mathias_: what error? |
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| 18:01.21 | mathias_ | rgr: its german, but just "error in authentication", loosley translated - I guess. |
| 18:01.40 | twobitsprite | sounds like you're giving it the wrong password |
| 18:01.41 | rgr | did you change hostname recently by any chance? |
| 18:01.41 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, you can always see what a package comes with by doing dpkg -L <package> | less or perhaps... dpkg -L <package> | grep bin |
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| 18:01.57 | mathias_ | rgr: Nope. just installed the nvidia-driver |
| 18:02.26 | rgr | and your user is a member of the sudoers file? |
| 18:02.34 | mathias_ | It worked a reboot ago! |
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| 18:02.51 | leftStanding | hi, i have a file with path (/home/user/foo/bar/smack.txt) and i want to move it to /var/backup/user/foo/bar/smack.txt) in /var/backup nome of the subdirectories are created... is there a way for cp to handle the creation of subdirectories and dump the file there? |
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| 18:02.55 | rgr | Gotto head off to work now - give the damn thing a kick :-; Good luck. |
| 18:03.05 | mathias_ | Thanks mate |
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| 18:03.43 | twobitsprite | mathias_: can you log in as root from the tty? |
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| 18:04.07 | mathias_ | twobitsprite: the tty doesnt work, remember? thats the problem I have with the nvidia-driver |
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| 18:04.10 | hoxu | Sun Java Web Start and Java Plug-in Multiple Privilege Escalation Vulnerabilities [ http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/32620 ] |
| 18:04.21 | twobitsprite | mathias_: doesn't work? (didn't see that) |
| 18:04.27 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: and stew I am detecting now |
| 18:04.37 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, roger |
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| 18:04.59 | mathias_ | twobitsprite: Nope, it justs black, I think the lcd is even turned off |
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| 18:05.17 | mathias_ | twobitsprite: its the same black as it is when the lcd cant support the resolution |
| 18:05.17 | mistermocha | has anyone had success installing the intel ethernet driver for 4.0 rc3 or rc5? |
| 18:05.27 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: and I did detect, but.. I am lost again, it did found alot of things like INTEL CPU fam, but how do Iget info about it, acpi -V doesnt show much |
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| 18:05.42 | mistermocha | stew: hi... thanks for the info |
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| 18:06.09 | stew | mistermocha: welcome |
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| 18:06.30 | \amethyst | leftStanding: maybe cd /home/user; cpio -ap <<<"foo/bar/smack.txt" /var/backup/user |
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| 18:06.41 | \amethyst | leftStanding: err, cpio --make-directories -ap |
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| 18:07.25 | SparFux | Hi all! When compiling mainstream released source package I think I should do it in /usr/src. What user should I use for this? |
| 18:07.30 | leftStanding | \amethyst: thanks for the help, i'll check out the cpio man page |
| 18:07.37 | BattlePigeon | does debian have any fingerprint reader drivers available through repositories? for lenovo 3000 n200 |
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| 18:07.41 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, i installed and tried the acpi -t at the same time as you per stew's suggestion, then made sure the 'thermal' modules was loaded. i got nothing from acpi -t. however.. i have not tried lm sensors, so i can't help there |
| 18:07.55 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: ok |
| 18:08.06 | Iradieh | Gonna try restart thermal |
| 18:08.16 | \amethyst | leftStanding: info cpio the man page doesn't have much info |
| 18:08.22 | stew | ghostkni1e: i'm not sure i understood your last question |
| 18:08.28 | onetinsoldier | you don't have to reload kernel modules |
| 18:08.35 | mistermocha | ok now that I'm here... this damn driver is not making nice-nice |
| 18:08.37 | \amethyst | leftStanding: also pax -r -w foo/bar/smack.txt /var/backup/user should work |
| 18:08.47 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: try typing sudo sensors |
| 18:08.48 | onetinsoldier | usually anyway... |
| 18:09.13 | \amethyst | leftStanding: (cpio and pax are both kind of like tar, but happen to support pass-through copying) |
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| 18:09.48 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, i don't have lm sensors installed.. hang on |
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| 18:10.03 | mistermocha | I'm installing 4.0rc5 i386 on a Gateway with an intel quad-core proc. |
| 18:10.16 | mistermocha | The installer does everything normally except the network |
| 18:10.21 | chomwitt | in my lenny installation from iso-cd1 i cant make a usb wifi card to work even the 2.6.26 kernel has a rt73usb module (driver reported to work with my wifi usb adaptor). Should i report this as a bug and where? |
| 18:10.33 | mistermocha | it doesn't recognize the onboard ethernet |
| 18:11.05 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: |
| 18:11.05 | Iradieh | http://open.spotify.com/track/5Ox6aFqZ9UoYntAsj0Ma51 |
| 18:11.11 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: ops, I mean alright, cool :) |
| 18:11.22 | mistermocha | during the install, it tries to load a firewire-to-ethernet configuration. (I put the stop to that by disabling firewire in the bios) |
| 18:11.33 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, going to look now... |
| 18:12.00 | mistermocha | Anyone have any ideas on how to get the system to pick up the ethernet card? |
| 18:12.23 | stew | BattlePigeon: thinkfinger-tools package, and see http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader |
| 18:12.31 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, that link didn't work for some reason |
| 18:12.39 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: you live in the US? |
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| 18:12.46 | BattlePigeon | stew: ok |
| 18:12.48 | ghostkni1e | If i have a certain package, how can I see it's version? say openssh-server |
| 18:12.51 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, yes |
| 18:13.01 | stew | ghostkni1e: apt-cache policy openssh-server |
| 18:13.17 | ghostkni1e | stew: thanks |
| 18:13.35 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: Sorry it's restricted :) (free legal music, app called Spotify with a HUGE databnase, make playlists, collaborate playlists, stream, listen to your songs wherever you are, works in linx/osx/windows) |
| 18:13.41 | Iradieh | onetinsoldier: here have this instead. http://albums.kimag.es/albums/node/51766093.jpg |
| 18:13.42 | stew | mistermocha: do you know which card you have? |
| 18:13.48 | stew | mistermocha: (lspci would tell you) |
| 18:14.11 | mistermocha | right now, lspci tells me that it's an unknown intel card |
| 18:14.24 | onetinsoldier | Iradieh, lol! |
| 18:14.26 | stew | mistermocha: if i were to make a wild guess, you have a e1000e which isn't supported by the 2.6.18 kernel but is supported by 2.6.24 |
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| 18:14.32 | stew | mistermocha: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 18:14.45 | StuckMojo | is sarge EOL? |
| 18:14.55 | ghostkni1e | stew: is there a way to see the url it will use to download the file. I see it lists the url info, but not a full url |
| 18:14.55 | Eulex | yes |
| 18:14.56 | stew | mistermocha: can you gell us the deviceid:vendor pair from "lspci -n"? something like "8086:1024" |
| 18:14.59 | rideh | how long does mount take to time out - if force is issued? |
| 18:15.01 | stew | StuckMojo: yes, since april |
| 18:15.04 | mistermocha | the old fedora system told me before that it was 82562 |
| 18:15.06 | StuckMojo | crap |
| 18:15.16 | mistermocha | the device is 8086:10c0 |
| 18:15.19 | Iradieh | StuckMojo: :D I am listening to that BAND AS WE SPEAK :D |
| 18:15.27 | StuckMojo | lol |
| 18:15.29 | stew | ghostkni1e: use apt-zip or apt-get --print-uris |
| 18:15.46 | Iradieh | StuckMojo: I like them, I like harder stuff, but they are ok :) |
| 18:16.23 | stew | mistermocha: yeah, that's e1000e |
| 18:16.24 | StuckMojo | Iradieh: when i picked the name as my Half-Life nick 10 years ago, i couldn't remember where i'd heard it. didn't realize it was a band |
| 18:16.34 | Iradieh | StuckMojo: lol :) check wiki |
| 18:16.38 | stew | hmm, though i don't have a 2.6.24 kernel to verify that it supports e1000e |
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| 18:16.44 | StuckMojo | Iradieh: i've only heard a couple tunes. they're ok |
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| 18:17.08 | mistermocha | stew: intel's site alluded to e1000 |
| 18:17.16 | StuckMojo | ugh. i have a remote box i need to upgrade. i'm afraid to do it w/o physical access |
| 18:17.30 | StuckMojo | got another tow that are woody |
| 18:17.32 | StuckMojo | two |
| 18:17.53 | rideh | nvm - it finally loaded |
| 18:18.20 | mathias_ | (I just ask again one more time) I have a problem with my debian-laptop: After installing the nvidia-driver, my tty are blank, and the lcd is as black as it is, when it does not support a resolution - I have googled but none of the solutions did work for me. Has anybody ever encounted such a problem? |
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| 18:18.29 | ekontsevoy | My hostname is 'dg', my IP is given by DHCP and nslookup resolves "dg" just fine. But when I use 'sudo' command I always get 'cannot relove host dg' message. And I also get emails from ***SECURITY*** in my spool mailbox saying "Cannot resolve dg". "ping dg" says "unknown host dg" too. What the heck? |
| 18:18.33 | stew | mistermocha: i'm getting my info from 'grep "8086.*10c0" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap' which returns nothing on the etch 2.6.18 kernel and e1000e on a lenny 2.6.26 kernel, i'd guess that the etchnhalf kernel also supports e1000e, but i'm not positive |
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| 18:19.10 | Eulex | ekontsevoy, what are the contents of /etc/hosts? |
| 18:19.22 | rAyIkA | mathias_ have u tried to kill gdm and reinstall nvidia drivers from source? |
| 18:19.26 | mistermocha | stew: I'll try e1000e... but I don't think I'll be allowed to upgrade the kernel for this application |
| 18:19.34 | stew | mistermocha: oh, yeah, etchnhalf supports it |
| 18:19.52 | ekontsevoy | Eulex: default, i.e. only 'localhost' and loopback are there |
| 18:20.00 | mathias_ | rAyIkA: Oh, no, I never did that. from source you say? I downloaded the driver from nvidia.com, not used nvidia-glx |
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| 18:20.19 | Eulex | ekontsevoy, you need to have an entry for dg too, so it resolves to 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:20.44 | ekontsevoy | Eulex: ohh... hold on, I'll try. |
| 18:20.44 | stew | mistermocha: if you can't upgrade to a newer etch kernel, you'd have to find out if an out of tree driver exists for 2.6.18, or use a different ethernet card |
| 18:20.45 | rAyIkA | yes and u have compiled it? |
| 18:20.58 | mistermocha | <question type="dumb">whatis etchnhalf?</question? |
| 18:21.09 | ekontsevoy | Eulex: I think you're right. I renamed the machine after initial install... I only updated hostname file... |
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| 18:21.16 | mathias_ | rAyIkA: I run the .run and the installer did it |
| 18:21.19 | stew | dpkg: tell mistermocha about etchnhalf |
| 18:21.36 | ekontsevoy | Eulex: is there anything else I need to touch? (besides hostname and my own code, apache/sql configs)? |
| 18:21.53 | Eulex | ekontsevoy, nothing, I believe. |
| 18:21.56 | mistermocha | is educated |
| 18:22.00 | mistermocha | stew++ |
| 18:22.01 | nick|here | i installed debian etch on vmware for testing, i installed standart system from the latest net install cd. but when i boot it up, keyboard behaves weird. some keys appear capitalized even if caps lock is off (like A) |
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| 18:22.37 | rAyIkA | have u taken a look of your xorg.conf? |
| 18:22.51 | ekontsevoy | nick|here: what is your host OS/Terminal? |
| 18:23.08 | nick|here | rAyIkA, i have no X installed, just the base system |
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| 18:23.31 | nick|here | ekontsevoy, windows vista premium, in another virtual machine slackware works fine |
| 18:23.34 | ekontsevoy | Eulex: yes that was it. Thanks. |
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| 18:24.10 | ekontsevoy | nick|here: oh... nevermind then. |
| 18:24.17 | rAyIkA | ah ok sorry¡! |
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| 18:27.38 | nick|here | and another info, when i switch to another terminal, it behaves normally, or reset command fixes it |
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| 18:28.27 | payload | i have a simple problem i can't solve and even can't google for a working answer... it's about routing: |
| 18:28.27 | payload | 1.1.1.1 is a gateway to the internet for and only for my PC 1.1.1.2 (MAC-Filter) |
| 18:28.27 | payload | so my PC has the default route to 1.1.1.1 |
| 18:28.27 | payload | there is a second PC 2.2.2.2 which needs to get to the internet too ^^ |
| 18:28.27 | payload | so i set eth0 of my PC to 1.1.1.1 and 2.2.2.1 and use as default route of the second PC 2.2.2.1 |
| 18:28.27 | *** kick/#debian [payload!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 18:28.46 | onetinsoldier | he didn't last long... lol |
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| 18:29.22 | mistermocha | insert trumpeting noises |
| 18:29.31 | mistermocha | stew: e1000e appears to be the one! |
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| 18:30.17 | onetinsoldier | payload, invite someone to #flood look at multi-line pastes or use a pastebin website |
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| 18:30.20 | SparFux | I have the Debian misdn-kernel package version 1.1.6. It does not compile, but the git version does. The diff.gz of 1.1.6 only makes changes to the debian/ directory, basically only adding the rules file. So I can make a debian package of the git version by just copying the debian/ into the git tree and comile, right? |
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| 18:31.01 | payload | ^^ just used too many lines to describe my problem ^^ |
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| 18:31.10 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 18:31.19 | stew | SparFux: yes, unless there is a debian/patches directory that contains patches which don't cleanly apply to the new version, you should also make a new changelog entry so the package you build has an appropriate verison number |
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| 18:31.34 | payload | was it readable or did i get only kicked? |
| 18:31.42 | SparFux | stew: so , thats dch -i right? |
| 18:32.04 | joeytwiddle | we got up to "... second PC 2.2.2.1" |
| 18:32.14 | payload | -.- |
| 18:32.16 | stew | SparFux: yeah, and i'd recommend making the version something like 1.1.6+20081204 |
| 18:32.35 | onetinsoldier | payload, you got kicked |
| 18:32.57 | SparFux | Usually it is compile with the module-assistent. But this turns out to be difficult, because m-a extracts the sources before building... |
| 18:33.19 | SparFux | What magic does the m-a do anyway? Can't I just use dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 18:34.01 | payload | 3 PCs: PC 1 is the router to the holy internet; PC 2 and 3 are PCs with one networking device each |
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| 18:34.20 | payload | PC 2 is the only one which can use PC 1 as a router |
| 18:34.43 | payload | so i want to set up PC 2 as the router for PC 3 |
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| 18:35.59 | onetinsoldier | payload, i'm not network guru..in fact nearly a dummy at networking(and everything else), but sounds like you need to set up and use NAT? |
| 18:36.00 | payload | i've set eth0 of PC 2 to have 2 IP addresses 1.1.1.2 and 2.2.2.1 |
| 18:36.17 | onetinsoldier | !NAT |
| 18:36.18 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
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| 18:36.37 | payload | yes onetinsoldier... thought i set it up allready, but it didnt work |
| 18:36.51 | onetinsoldier | payload, ahh, i see. well, keep going then |
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| 18:36.55 | payload | ^^ |
| 18:37.03 | onetinsoldier | payload, i won't be the one who'll be able to hel u tho |
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| 18:37.12 | onetinsoldier | help* |
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| 18:38.03 | payload | PC 3 is... sadly a winxp ... but setting it to use as std gateway 2.2.2.1 should do the job |
| 18:38.59 | onetinsoldier | payload, you might be able to get some clues by install a nice util named 'iptraf' on both machines and watching it's output on both machines as they try to communicate with each other |
| 18:39.06 | onetinsoldier | s/install/installing |
| 18:40.13 | neoice | anyone know how the python3 release is going to migrate into debian? |
| 18:40.39 | stew | neoice: what do you mean? |
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| 18:40.44 | metaperl | I have Apache2 running on my Debian/stable box. I want to get tomcat 5.5 up and running... what do I need to do besides installing the Debian packages? Where will it be physically installed? Will it automatically come up? |
| 18:41.18 | neoice | stew: I assume its going to eventually become the default, right? I dont even see it in the repos though |
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| 18:41.47 | joeytwiddle | metaperl: it might work without them, dpkg -L after install will tell you where the files are, and yes i think it will |
| 18:42.07 | joeytwiddle | i mean, without anything extra, debian usually installs all dependencies |
| 18:42.09 | metaperl | you mean the default apache2 already has tomcat acticated? |
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| 18:42.15 | mistermocha | ok so now that I have my ethernet card up, now I can't resolve dns!! |
| 18:42.32 | metaperl | dpkg -L ok cool |
| 18:42.33 | dpkg | ii ok cool 3.3-1.3 metaperl's private stamp collection |
| 18:42.49 | stew | neoice: i'd expect an upload to exprimental sometime possibly before lenny relelases, it wouldn't go into unstable until after lenny releases |
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| 18:43.29 | stew | neoice: python transitions are hard, this one being one where backwards compatibility breaks means that transitioning to python 3 as the default could take quite a while and i could see it not happening for squeeze |
| 18:43.29 | neoice | heh. |
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| 18:43.35 | neoice | goes to check the lenny rc bugs list. |
| 18:44.18 | joeytwiddle | metaperl: i'm not too experienced, but i seem to remember installing it and it ran automatically, although maybe independently from apache. if setup isn't automatic there are often tips and examples provided in /usr/share/doc/<package_name> |
| 18:44.34 | neoice | stew: yeah, thats kind of what I imagined, which is why I dont quite understand all the buzz about python3. sure, its awesome and new, but there's a lot of code that's in 2.4/2.5 already that cant just transfer overnight |
| 18:44.37 | joeytwiddle | you might find how to add it to apache in there |
| 18:44.57 | ghostkni1e | Lets say I have output like this: http://rafb.net/p/RXoofs75.html. How can I process from the first line that matches "Version: $INSTVER" up to before the next "empty" or "blank" line. |
| 18:45.01 | metaperl | joeytwiddle: I see... I wonder if it uses a different port... tomcat on windows is it's own server... i dont care to add it to apache if I dont have to |
| 18:45.01 | ghostkni1e | sorry, wrong channel |
| 18:45.23 | joeytwiddle | yeah it will probably use a different port |
| 18:45.27 | joeytwiddle | go ahead and try it ^^ |
| 18:45.39 | stew | neoice: i think the 2.4-2.5 transition took us something like 6 months |
| 18:46.00 | metaperl | yes, it looks like it will work out - http://www.debianhelp.org/node/10449 |
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| 18:49.59 | P0lygl0t | hi guys, I'm trying to install debian using a CD that came with c't 12/2008, the computer has a SATA DVD reader though and the install hangs, do you have any ideas how to solve that? |
| 18:50.31 | stew | P0lygl0t: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
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| 18:55.05 | mistermocha | oy so close... |
| 18:55.29 | mistermocha | eth0 is up... it can ping any IP address, but it can't look up DNS |
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| 18:55.52 | mistermocha | I added my DNS servers to the box. It can ping them, but gets nothing back |
| 18:56.05 | P0lygl0t | stew: version 3 |
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| 18:56.38 | P0lygl0t | stew: Debian Server v3 |
| 18:57.22 | stew | P0lygl0t: i'd not expect such an old version to support SATA at all |
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| 18:57.41 | metaperl | I got an error when trying to install tomcat5.5 - http://pastebin.ca/1276122 --- I think I need to configure tomcat5.5 ... how would I do this? |
| 18:57.43 | stew | P0lygl0t: assuming you mean 3.0 |
| 18:58.06 | P0lygl0t | ouch, it came with the 12/2008 version of C't, so I reckoned it would be recent |
| 18:58.24 | stew | P0lygl0t: then i think you are telling me the wrong version number. debian 3.0 was released in 2002 |
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| 18:58.42 | stew | P0lygl0t: and there is no such thing as "Debian Server" |
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| 18:59.22 | P0lygl0t | stew: I guess they renamed it then, I'll dig a bit deeper |
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| 18:59.34 | stew | P0lygl0t: what kernel version is it using? |
| 19:00.13 | dontneedglasses | why deban is so popular? |
| 19:00.49 | adb | what 's deban ? |
| 19:00.59 | dontneedglasses | debian, sorry |
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| 19:01.01 | P0lygl0t | stew, it's version 4, Etch, can that be? |
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| 19:01.06 | XLV | dontneedglasses, catchy name |
| 19:02.10 | adb | guess dontneedglasses needs glasses |
| 19:02.18 | clever | what package is qmake(for qt4) in debian etch? |
| 19:02.21 | clever | it doesnt seem to be in qt4-dev-tools |
| 19:02.49 | dontneedglasses | it's just a nickname |
| 19:02.54 | stew | P0lygl0t: i'd suggest trying the etchnhalf installer if this is just the etch installer and not the etchnhalf installer: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 19:03.28 | SparFux | damn, m-a turns out to be complicated :-) |
| 19:03.47 | dontneedglasses | i want start learning linux and web development via linux and don't know which distirbutor is right for me.. |
| 19:03.53 | P0lygl0t | stew: should I download something else to do that? |
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| 19:04.06 | stew | P0lygl0t: yes |
| 19:04.12 | P0lygl0t | stew: I had hoped to get going with the DVD that came with the magazine |
| 19:04.40 | P0lygl0t | since it comes preinstalled with Xen 3.2, Endian, SBS and ClarkConnect |
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| 19:05.16 | P0lygl0t | stew: If I'm goint to download something else, wouldn't it make more sense to get the very latest version? |
| 19:05.38 | stew | P0lygl0t: oh, i guess its not debian then |
| 19:05.52 | stew | P0lygl0t: yes, i'm pointing you to the lastest version, depending on what you mean by latest version |
| 19:06.11 | stew | P0lygl0t: which kernel is this cd using? |
| 19:06.33 | P0lygl0t | stew: I want something to run as dom0 for Xen |
| 19:06.49 | P0lygl0t | stew: so I can set up some virtual machines in it |
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| 19:07.27 | P0lygl0t | The magazine claims they used Debian, but 5.0 (Lenny) wasn't available yet when they were writing the article |
| 19:07.59 | stew | P0lygl0t: what kernel did they use? |
| 19:08.05 | P0lygl0t | stew: how do I find out about the kernel? Is there a way to get a prompt? I only saw this menu |
| 19:08.15 | P0lygl0t | just a moment, I'm going to boot it again |
| 19:08.23 | stew | P0lygl0t: it would be 'alt-f2' in debian. but i don't know about this non-debian cd you have |
| 19:08.41 | P0lygl0t | stew, I'll go and try that |
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| 19:10.17 | SparFux | stew: wow, that's a lot of work to do with even such simple packages. |
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| 19:12.06 | Shadow_Master | wow, what gigantic algorithms are behind DRI that make libgl1-mesa-dri so huge :o |
| 19:12.15 | SparFux | And I cannot manage it. I will have to just make install to my debian system... |
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| 19:13.27 | P0lygl0t | stew: when I do Alt-F2, I get a BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-4) |
| 19:13.31 | duckman | hello.. |
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| 19:13.57 | P0lygl0t | stew: there is no uname command |
| 19:14.04 | duckman | i have a partition problem, if some one wants to help |
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| 19:17.24 | duckman | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=33505 there is what happens |
| 19:17.25 | P0lygl0t | stew: it shows me a screen to indicate that it needs a driver for the CD-ROM |
| 19:17.32 | duckman | thanks in advance |
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| 19:18.26 | SparFux | I don't get the idea where the sources might have changed. It complains about some CFLAGS that was changed and I should change it to EXTRA_CFLAGS. I have to skip m-a and just compile with make ; make install |
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| 19:19.32 | P0lygl0t | stew: would it help to attach a DVD-player with USB? |
| 19:19.40 | adub | has anyone in here used the program zoneminder?? |
| 19:19.48 | abrotman | ask a better question |
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| 19:20.02 | stew | P0lygl0t: you should figure out what distribution it actually is |
| 19:20.30 | P0lygl0t | stew: when I do Alt-F2, I get a BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-4) |
| 19:20.39 | helo | is there a way i can tell get dhclient to not make a default route (destination 0.0.0.0) even if the dhcp server gives one? |
| 19:21.05 | P0lygl0t | stew: is there a command I can enter there to find out which kernel it is? |
| 19:21.28 | mistermocha | helo: a dchp server controls the network |
| 19:21.31 | stew | P0lygl0t: perhaps dmesg |
| 19:21.41 | mistermocha | by the nature of the dhcp connection, there's little you can do |
| 19:22.01 | helo | mistermocha: i want to use teh ip it gives me, but i have another default route i'd rather use |
| 19:22.03 | stew | helo: so the dhcp server gives you a default route, but you want to use a different one? |
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| 19:22.40 | helo | i have two network interfaces which use the same physical network |
| 19:22.43 | stew | helo: you can probably add a 'supsersede' statement to dhclient.conf |
| 19:23.01 | mistermocha | try "route add ip.add.re.ss gw |
| 19:23.06 | stew | helo: of you could fix the routes in post-up line(s) in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:23.27 | helo | stew: the interface isn't managed by interfaces |
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| 19:24.17 | stew | helo: why not? |
| 19:24.24 | stew | helo: add a supersede statement to dhclient.conf |
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| 19:25.02 | helo | yeah, that seems like a good option |
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| 19:26.11 | P0lygl0t | stew: I'm calling it quits, thanks for your help |
| 19:27.16 | P0lygl0t | stew: I had hoped for a quick solution using this DVD, now that that doesn't work, I'll go on on the path of CentOS and struggle with setting up Xen on that |
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| 19:28.22 | helo | stew: just had to remove "routers" from the request line |
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| 19:32.39 | clever | debootstrap --keep-debootstrap-dir lenny . |
| 19:32.47 | clever | any idea as to why im having trouble with this command? |
| 19:33.05 | clever | seems to be reletaed to the 'debootstrap.invalid_dists_lenny_Release' file |
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| 19:33.49 | tinka | Can I "clear my path in bash, while still staying on the same location"? thanks |
| 19:34.18 | onetinsoldier | payload, you get anything figured out yet? |
| 19:34.48 | Eulex | tinka, what does 'clear my path' mean? |
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| 19:36.57 | onetinsoldier | Eulex, i think he means clearing the PATH environment variable... echo "$PATH" |
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| 19:37.21 | Eulex | tinka, onetinsoldier, if so, unset PATH |
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| 19:37.41 | tinka | Eulex: I mean in bash prompt insted of me@mypc:/home/blabla/blalalala/blalalalalal <-to be on this position with just ,me@mypc:something short |
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| 19:37.50 | tinka | Eulex: nah, not clearing my path |
| 19:37.56 | onetinsoldier | oh |
| 19:38.35 | tinka | When I dont have ssh session in full screen it's quite disturbing |
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| 19:39.29 | Eulex | tinka, set PS1 to something more appropriate |
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| 19:40.07 | helo | edit /etc/profile or change ~/.bashrc |
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| 19:41.28 | helo | wonders how to get "basename $PWD" onto the end of PS1 |
| 19:41.36 | xingu | tinka: http://www.blog.montgomerie.net/Blog/Blog/Entries/2008/5/14_PWD_in_the_title_bar_(Or,_âA_regex_adventure_in_BASHâ).html <-- a creative solution; see how in the code snippet he swaps the path with ellipses via regex substitution. |
| 19:41.45 | helo | ahh, just \W |
| 19:41.47 | hikenboot_ | anyone know where their is a list that might show if Gigabyte EP45-Extreme is well supported by linux? |
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| 19:42.11 | helo | tinka: just change the \w in PS1 from /etc/profile to \W |
| 19:42.15 | tinka | Thanks guys |
| 19:42.23 | Homere_ | yo |
| 19:42.31 | helo | ... assuming you want to make the change for all users on your machine |
| 19:42.38 | hikenboot_ | debian in particular |
| 19:42.40 | xingu | tinka: nb, you don't necessarily have to push it up into the titlebar, but the technique for shortening the path into something more manageable still applies |
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| 19:42.47 | tinka | helo that would be me, myself and I |
| 19:42.48 | tinka | :) |
| 19:42.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is gnome 2.23 out for debian? |
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| 19:43.02 | helo | sh4d3sl4y3r_: it's out for everyone!~ |
| 19:43.05 | Homere_ | is http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html the list of Lenny's bugs that prevents the release ? |
| 19:43.06 | tinka | xingu: yeah I'm reading :)thanks |
| 19:43.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cant find in the repos :( |
| 19:43.16 | onetinsoldier | hikenboot_, i'm nort sure. it probably is supported ok un the lenny/testing version of debian. lenny installed to my P45 chipset Asus P5Q Deluxe without any problem |
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| 19:43.23 | onetinsoldier | s/nort/not |
| 19:43.30 | helo | sh4d3sl4y3r_: but i don't think it is included with lenny |
| 19:43.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ya |
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| 19:43.51 | joakim_ | hi |
| 19:44.47 | helo | 2.22 is going to be the release included at launch afaik |
| 19:44.47 | clever | i cant even get lenny to install today |
| 19:44.47 | tinka | hikenboot_: I have never had any problems lately (several years no) with linux on any "normal chipset", especially with intels, I run p35 and it rocks |
| 19:44.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am using unstable |
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| 19:44.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | not thr in the repos |
| 19:44.48 | hikenboot_ | onetinsoldier, thanks I have found indication their is linux drivers but nothing has told me how well the hardware is supported |
| 19:44.48 | joakim_ | any one here that can point me in the direction where I might find a howto for running X applications in chroot |
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| 19:44.58 | tinka | jokaim_ yeah I'd like tu run only python 2.6 in choroot if that's possible |
| 19:45.08 | tinka | chrooting is quite usefull |
| 19:45.35 | hikenboot_ | thanks guys...it looks like two of my setups might be the perfect xen testing environment then |
| 19:45.42 | Homere_ | do we know if lenny is ext4 compatible ? |
| 19:45.57 | stew | joakim_: you have to bind mount /tmp/.X11-unix into the chroot |
| 19:46.13 | dustybin | should debian be written with a cap, Debian ? |
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| 19:46.31 | onetinsoldier | hikenboot_, works pretty well here. i even have an ati 4850 HD video card that gets dri support if i install/use the proprietary ati fglrx driver.. so something's working right, hehe. |
| 19:46.40 | hikenboot_ | dustybin its a proper name so i would say yes |
| 19:46.42 | joakim_ | ahh, thanks stew |
| 19:48.10 | hikenboot_ | for the first time I can actually say I can't wait to spend 2 grand! |
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| 19:49.10 | maligor | really? there's lost of fascinating items that cost 2 or more |
| 19:49.24 | dos000 | how do i reset a group to contain no users ? |
| 19:49.40 | onetinsoldier | hikenboot_, hehe, i know the feeling since i did the same just recently... well, i ended up spending about $1,400 since i didn't need a new monitor |
| 19:50.00 | helo | my name is helo, and i write "d3814n", "d3814n" |
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| 19:51.42 | hikenboot_ | I would love to add a couple monitors to that but I think it will have to wait a while |
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| 19:52.10 | hikenboot_ | oh I forgot two cheap video cards in my estimate.. |
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| 20:00.12 | TiMiDo | hey how do you build the kernel sources? |
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| 20:03.24 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, well, i saw you around earlier. so as i believe you know, after unpacking it you need to copy the .config file over. have you gotten further than that yet? |
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| 20:03.37 | TiMiDo | yeah I'm done |
| 20:03.43 | TiMiDo | I just need to create the kernel headers. |
| 20:03.50 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, you're done configuring it? |
| 20:03.55 | TiMiDo | yeah onetinsoldier |
| 20:03.56 | onetinsoldier | ok.. one sec |
| 20:03.59 | Seb | anyone knows of a mail checker that can be tucked in the systray ? |
| 20:04.06 | TiMiDo | make-kpkg clean make-kpkg --intrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 20:04.08 | TiMiDo | like that? |
| 20:04.29 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, install 'kernel-package'/.. or do you have that installed already? |
| 20:04.48 | TiMiDo | yeah i do |
| 20:04.53 | Shadow_Master | I notice that the kernel 2.6.24 is no longer supported - if I install 2.6.26 from the official repo, iwill it replace the 2.6.24 one, or can I easily go back to it if I need to? |
| 20:04.58 | onetinsoldier | ok!... then here you go.... |
| 20:05.05 | onetinsoldier | !kp mantra |
| 20:05.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 20:05.26 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, the target you were just asking about is... kernel_headers |
| 20:05.37 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 20:06.00 | onetinsoldier | you will want kernel_image and kernel_headers targets |
| 20:06.14 | TiMiDo | onetinsoldier, hmmm |
| 20:06.19 | TiMiDo | Option revision requires an argument |
| 20:06.19 | TiMiDo | Option append-to-version requires an argument |
| 20:06.19 | TiMiDo | use --help to display command line syntax help. |
| 20:06.21 | themill | Shadow_Master: you can have the installed at the same time |
| 20:06.30 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, hang on.... |
| 20:06.37 | TiMiDo | thank you onetinsoldier |
| 20:06.47 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, what directory are you doing this in? |
| 20:06.57 | Shadow_Master | themill: ah, good thanks |
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| 20:06.59 | TiMiDo | on /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7 |
| 20:07.17 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, you're welcome. you need help with that error? |
| 20:07.23 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 20:07.29 | TiMiDo | make-kpkg clean make-kpkg --intrd kernel_image kernel_headers --append-to-version="darkplanet" |
| 20:07.35 | TiMiDo | that's the command I'm actually putting |
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| 20:07.58 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, ok, hang on |
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| 20:08.08 | dacs | howdy all |
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| 20:08.56 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, i don't have it all in my head.. i will need to look at the make-kpkg man page, and so should you! |
| 20:09.17 | onetinsoldier | i'm going there now |
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| 20:10.28 | dec3pti0n | I need to try installing compiling an app with gcc-3.3.6 instead of gcc-4.1 on etch . I'm about to have the gcc-3.3 package installed .. how do I tell debian to use that one instead of gcc-4.1 ? |
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| 20:11.12 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, are you doing this as root? or as a regular user? |
| 20:11.20 | themill | dec3pti0n: you use CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 and hope that the Makefile is sensibly written. |
| 20:11.39 | dec3pti0n | :) i thoutght so thanks |
| 20:11.43 | TiMiDo | root of course |
| 20:11.48 | aetheria | dec3pti0n: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-.... make ... |
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| 20:12.29 | dutchfish | mumbles something about /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink that can be altered |
| 20:12.30 | aetheria | i thought odd numbered versions of gcc were "unstable"? |
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| 20:12.41 | aetheria | e.g., why not use 3.4 instead? |
| 20:12.42 | themill | dutchfish: not recommended, however. |
| 20:12.42 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, ok. up to you but i would recommend that you add a regular user to the src group, then install fakeroot.. but up to you |
| 20:12.52 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, try the following command.... |
| 20:13.21 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg clean ; export VER=darkplanet NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" |
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| 20:13.38 | dec3pti0n | I thought so too but "appearently" this app works fine when compiled on gcc3.3.6 and on gcc-4.1 it does not ! I'm trying to get to the bottom of that |
| 20:13.40 | dec3pti0n | :) |
| 20:14.31 | themill | dec3pti0n: works fine or compiles fine? |
| 20:14.46 | TiMiDo | done onetinsoldier |
| 20:14.54 | TiMiDo | i still do not see the headers |
| 20:14.59 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, then... make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 20:15.18 | dacs | i need help , here is my 3rd week trying to get this card work , dmesg | grep cx18,[230189.217618] cx18: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32,[230189.217660] cx18: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 |
| 20:15.21 | roadfish | when I have a 16GB flash-memory card and I'm using "mkfs.vfat", should I create the "-F 32" FAT32 format? or should I stick with the default 12 or 16 bit file system size? |
| 20:15.27 | TiMiDo | Error: The revision string must contain digits, |
| 20:15.28 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.28 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.28 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:15.32 | dec3pti0n | both compiles and works fine on gcc-3.3.6 ... on gcc-4.1 it compiles and also seem to run fine but the dev said that gdb was spitting out something that should not |
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| 20:15.59 | dutchfish | !tell TiMiDo about kernel-mantra |
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| 20:16.04 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, i am doing a little trial and error here.. i usually have to re-read the make-pkg man page over a couple of times |
| 20:16.20 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg* |
| 20:16.27 | themill | TiMiDo: why aren't you using the exact command that dpkg gave you for this? |
| 20:16.38 | TiMiDo | themill, ?? |
| 20:16.43 | dutchfish | !tell TiMiDo about kp-mantra |
| 20:17.45 | themill | TiMiDo: where did this "export VER=darkplanet" come from? dpkg's instruction was to use export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d'), which funnily enough contains numbers and which won't generate that error. |
| 20:17.52 | onetinsoldier | just an -fyi, he doesn't have fakeroot installed |
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| 20:18.23 | onetinsoldier | i gave that to him.... that's what he was wanting as his version, darkplanet |
| 20:18.33 | onetinsoldier | just an -fyi, he doesn't have fakeroot installed |
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| 20:19.05 | themill | notes that the commands in the factoids are usually written that way for a reason |
| 20:19.25 | dutchfish | or use --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT |
| 20:19.49 | onetinsoldier | themill, yeah.. read above.. i even admit i'm trting with a little trial and error here! i usually need to reread the man page a couple of times |
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| 20:20.28 | onetinsoldier | i can get a little lost(but not to badly) in the make-kpkg man page |
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| 20:22.14 | libertad0 | Hi |
| 20:22.16 | libertad0 | Excuseme |
| 20:22.17 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, well, as you can see you need a version "number" |
| 20:22.31 | libertad0 | Where I could to download the debian logo font? |
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| 20:23.08 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, do what dutchfish said |
| 20:23.17 | onetinsoldier | but for the version, use a number |
| 20:23.35 | dutchfish | libertad0, http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 20:23.57 | libertad0 | dutchfish: font too? |
| 20:24.09 | dutchfish | libertad0, in the ps as far as it goes |
| 20:24.27 | libertad0 | dutchfish: I need the Debian font for write any word |
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| 20:24.47 | dutchfish | libertad0, thats all i know off, sorry |
| 20:25.03 | libertad0 | :( |
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| 20:26.52 | dutchfish | libertad0, one tip: it looks a lot like "Daks" font type |
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| 20:27.08 | dutchfish | libertad0, but not exactly |
| 20:27.09 | libertad0 | O.o |
| 20:27.20 | libertad0 | dutchfish: thank's |
| 20:27.36 | dutchfish | libertad0, maybe you can take that font as a start |
| 20:27.52 | libertad0 | maybe |
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| 20:28.54 | themill | libertad0: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2003/08/msg00261.html |
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| 20:29.01 | themill | (GIYF) |
| 20:29.27 | dutchfish | temill++ |
| 20:29.28 | libertad0 | themill: It's now free :'( |
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| 20:29.37 | libertad0 | Laudatio BQ Condensed |
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| 20:31.31 | libertad0 | $255.00 USD |
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| 20:33.41 | karsten | Any suggestions for a tool to listen and log a serial port if minicom's not installed (or, production server), installable? screen? |
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| 20:34.58 | petemc | screen works |
| 20:35.11 | xingu | karsten: and do what? just pump from the tty onto disk? |
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| 20:36.21 | dutchfish | hey, xungu! :) |
| 20:36.30 | SEcki | how can I determine the block size of a given ext{2,3} file system? |
| 20:36.53 | xingu | heya dutchie |
| 20:37.13 | xingu | SEcki: tune2fs -l |
| 20:37.20 | karsten | xingu: We're trying to catch a kernel panic. |
| 20:37.57 | karsten | xingu: We've got a serial crossover cable (well, I hope it's a crossover). Need to find a way to capture it. Trying to sort out my options. |
| 20:38.08 | karsten | SEcki: dumpe2fs should give that to you? |
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| 20:38.45 | S-i-A | hi Debian's :) |
| 20:38.50 | karsten | SEcki: Yes, it does. dumpe2fs <filesystem> | grep 'Block size' |
| 20:38.54 | kombi | prompt says "I have no name!" when in fact I have one. What's wrong? |
| 20:39.01 | xingu | karsten: ditto tune2fs. :) |
| 20:39.05 | S-i-A | can reconnect in NCFTP wichtout open .... again? |
| 20:39.13 | karsten | kombi: What prompt? |
| 20:39.18 | kombi | karsten: shell |
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| 20:39.31 | karsten | kombi: What shell? |
| 20:39.40 | kombi | passwd says sh |
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| 20:39.50 | stew | kombi: there is no hostname set |
| 20:39.57 | kombi | oh... |
| 20:40.02 | karsten | kombi: echo 'PS$', finger $USER, and/or 'id'. |
| 20:40.02 | stew | kombi: what does "hostname" or "uname -n" return? |
| 20:40.03 | xingu | karsten: you could probably use cat </dev/ttySfoo >/path/to/logfile (and mash with stty if you need funky ldisc) |
| 20:40.03 | themill | !hostname |
| 20:40.03 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 20:40.21 | karsten | xingu: OK, will look at that. |
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| 20:40.46 | xingu | karsten: probably wrap in while :; do ... done just in case something about ldisc results in hup sent to cat |
| 20:40.56 | xingu | karsten: ie something like dcd dropping |
| 20:41.03 | kombi | stew: hostname seems set to something |
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| 20:41.14 | kombi | echo 'PS$' |
| 20:41.21 | kombi | hrmpf.. |
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| 20:42.58 | stew | kombi: you mean that "hostname" returns an actual hostname? |
| 20:43.40 | SEcki | karsten, xingu: thx |
| 20:43.42 | kombi | stew: yip, sh shell prompt says "I have no name!@thehostname" |
| 20:43.51 | kombi | weired.. |
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| 20:44.21 | stew | kombi: what does "echo $USER" return? |
| 20:44.41 | kombi | stew: returns "kombi" |
| 20:45.17 | themill | kombi: what's the output of: echo $PS1 |
| 20:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, is this a game? :) |
| 20:46.00 | onetinsoldier | of course |
| 20:46.04 | stew | it is, and themill is asking for the answer key instead of playing along |
| 20:46.20 | dutchfish | !quiz |
| 20:46.20 | dpkg | [quiz] at http://www.linuxcertification.org/quizzes/Level1Quiz/. Some may say it is a stupid quiz |
| 20:46.31 | kombi | themill: \u@\h:\w\$ |
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| 20:47.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooook, may I still participate? I could ask for $GDMSESSION |
| 20:47.25 | OpenTokix | export PS1='$( [[ $PWD =~ $HOME* ]] && P=H:${PWD#$HOME} || P=C:$PWD; echo ${P//\//\\\})>' <-- this is my prompt, the best ever |
| 20:47.42 | kombi | very impressive indeed.. |
| 20:47.51 | OpenTokix | kombi: open a terminal and try it |
| 20:47.52 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 20:48.03 | themill | eww... your terminal must be very confused |
| 20:48.06 | OpenTokix | then cd /usr/local - and then cd ~ |
| 20:48.12 | OpenTokix | themill: no, try it =) |
| 20:48.33 | kombi | CutMeThroat: echo $GDMSESSION returns an empty string... (never heard of that one) |
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| 20:48.55 | jelly | OpenTokix: ew, bash. |
| 20:48.56 | themill | kombi: is this a local user or is it an LDAP or similar user? |
| 20:49.05 | kombi | themill: local user |
| 20:49.07 | OpenTokix | jelly: hehe =) |
| 20:49.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it's not a good idea to use $() in PS1, because that's what PROMPT_COMMAND is for |
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| 20:49.28 | OpenTokix | jelly: try it, and I guarantee it will put a smile on your face =) |
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| 20:49.41 | kombi | I pass.. |
| 20:49.56 | jelly | OpenTokix: that's not my interactive-shell of preference, so it likely won't work |
| 20:50.08 | OpenTokix | jelly: just open a new shell, write "bash" |
| 20:50.11 | OpenTokix | then paste the prompt |
| 20:50.13 | jelly | NO |
| 20:50.16 | OpenTokix | haha |
| 20:50.22 | themill | OpenTokix: eww. |
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| 20:50.30 | OpenTokix | themill: hehe =) |
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| 20:50.52 | jelly | in any case, there's this lsh thing. |
| 20:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | kombi, ... I was just kidding - I hadn't read your original question, but just came in when everyone was quizzing you on some variable :) GDMSESSION is used when you have "gdm" as your login manager and it then contains the windows-manager that is loaded for you (but is unrelated to whatever you asked) |
| 20:51.17 | onetinsoldier | OpenTokix, well, all i get is this for a prompt.. i mean,it's ok i suppose H:> |
| 20:51.26 | onetinsoldier | that's it.. H:> |
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| 20:51.30 | jelly | OpenTokix: in lsh, C>prompt $p$g C:\OPT\OMNI\LBIN> |
| 20:51.30 | OpenTokix | onetinsoldier: yeah, try cd / |
| 20:51.39 | onetinsoldier | ok.. hang on |
| 20:51.40 | OpenTokix | jelly: ok |
| 20:51.47 | onetinsoldier | PMG |
| 20:51.49 | onetinsoldier | OMG |
| 20:51.50 | OpenTokix | onetinsoldier: hehe |
| 20:51.53 | onetinsoldier | lolz |
| 20:51.56 | OpenTokix | onetinsoldier: just for gags |
| 20:51.57 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 20:52.12 | onetinsoldier | roger.. pretty cool! |
| 20:52.14 | jelly | !info lsh |
| 20:52.19 | kombi | here's what's really weired: id returns uid gid etc allright, whoami says no name associated with that uid! how strange is that.. |
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| 20:52.43 | nsadmin | onetinsoldier: Pat Methany Group? |
| 20:52.50 | themill | kombi: are you listed in /etc/passwd ? |
| 20:52.59 | kombi | themill: absolutely |
| 20:53.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | OpenTokix, is it also producing blue-screens? |
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| 20:53.16 | kombi | already userdeled and useradded me to make sure |
| 20:53.19 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: no, this is Windows 7 |
| 20:53.26 | bombshock | Hello. Could someone tell me which blacklist file is the appropriate file to blacklist an integrated video card? |
| 20:53.30 | jelly | kombi: what's the output of "getent passwd username"? |
| 20:53.36 | themill | kombi: err... did your user id change when you did that? |
| 20:53.40 | dutchfish | !blacklist |
| 20:53.41 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 20:53.51 | bombshock | ty! |
| 20:53.54 | onetinsoldier | nsadmin, heh, sorry never head of that |
| 20:53.54 | Vasistha | bombshock: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom |
| 20:54.07 | xingu | kombi: try getent passwd $USER |
| 20:54.28 | nsadmin | onetinsoldier: oh, check em out sometime |
| 20:54.34 | nsadmin | they're pretty good |
| 20:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | OpenTokix, Windows 7? wazzat mean? Crashes twice as fast? |
| 20:54.43 | onetinsoldier | nsadmin, okie |
| 20:54.49 | Vasistha | this morning when I turned on the computer, my sound server decided to be busy. mplayer is giving me the following: [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1248:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
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| 20:54.50 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 20:54.53 | kombi | themill, xingu: kombi:x:1064:1064::/home/kombi:/bin/bash (just changed to bash for better liking) |
| 20:54.54 | jelly | kombi: also, getent passwd $UID ... and do they match |
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| 20:55.13 | jelly | kombi: or just echo $UID |
| 20:55.16 | kombi | jelly: absolutely do |
| 20:55.34 | themill | kombi: you have no name in the passwd file... chfn |
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| 20:55.52 | kombi | themill: really? shoot.... |
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| 20:56.07 | xingu | kombi: what perms does /etc/passwd have? |
| 20:56.19 | jelly | themill: eh, who cares about the GECOS field |
| 20:56.33 | onetinsoldier | nsadmin, i take it you meant Pat Metheny Group ( i did google search and it corrected me) |
| 20:56.34 | nsadmin | anything that reads it |
| 20:56.41 | themill | jelly: yeah, well... if the error were anything other than "You had no name"... |
| 20:56.47 | kombi | xingu: 600 for root |
| 20:56.49 | stew | i read it, and continue to not care about it |
| 20:56.55 | jelly | themill: name != gecos |
| 20:56.55 | stew | kombi: you'd want 644 |
| 20:56.56 | nsadmin | onetinsoldier: yeah :) must have misspelled his name |
| 20:57.01 | xingu | kombi: there you go then :) |
| 20:57.10 | themill | jelly: of course. |
| 20:57.13 | simonrvn | you have no name means a username lookup failed |
| 20:57.26 | kombi | stew: arghh.. who screwed this box up.. thanks people! |
| 20:57.29 | xingu | simonrvn: it feels good to get out of the rain |
| 20:57.37 | jelly | who are you? you have no entry in /etc/utmp! go away. |
| 20:57.42 | simonrvn | see that sometimes when your ldap is no worky |
| 20:57.48 | stew | someone was protecting the sekret passwds |
| 20:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least it doesn't say "You don't exist, go away" :) |
| 20:58.02 | kombi | over protective someone.. |
| 20:58.06 | dutchfish | !coffee jelly |
| 20:58.06 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of Colombian for jelly, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 20:58.18 | kombi | CutMeOwnThroat: good one..;) |
| 20:58.35 | onetinsoldier | nsadmin, roger. i suppose i might be able to hear them on youtube if i were to enable my onboard sound. so fari have just been waiting to see if the open-sourced creative x-fi drivers will get developed by oss developers |
| 20:58.45 | xingu | from memory make gets quite annoyed when your directory service fails too |
| 20:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | kombi, I didn't make that one up! Like "printer on fire", it really exists, see e.g. here http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1998-05/msg00522.html |
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| 20:59.07 | xingu | sunos2.3 has a great solution to the problem - panic. |
| 20:59.21 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: that one's a personal favourite |
| 20:59.30 | nsadmin | onetinsoldier: so you have onmobo sound and another sound card? |
| 20:59.39 | onetinsoldier | nsadmin, yes |
| 20:59.56 | jelly | xingu: "oh, you inserted an unreadable CD in this solaris 2.4 box! let's panic!" |
| 21:00.02 | xingu | s/2\.3/5.3/, sheesh. |
| 21:00.04 | simonrvn | xingu: yeh, though not as badly |
| 21:00.06 | nsadmin | I suppose you've seen the lspci view of each... |
| 21:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, hehe - yeah, another one was the (custom?) message one VMS system used to print on shutdown "backup later, logout now, the system is shutting down NOW" |
| 21:00.25 | jelly | xingu: I thought you were really old for a moment |
| 21:00.48 | kombi | finally a friendly prompt that knows my name..!;) what a relief! Now on to the real problem with that box... |
| 21:01.02 | xingu | jelly: heh, back in the days when men were men, and sparc were a pair of mc68010's lashed back to back and half a cycle out of phase? |
| 21:01.18 | onetinsoldier | on the mobo is disabled in the bios atm. i should anable it and see if i can get it working. i wonder how that would work out though with the x-fi sound card that plugged in also. i suppose it would still work |
| 21:01.18 | xingu | kombi: the previous admin? :) |
| 21:01.31 | kombi | xingu: afraid so... |
| 21:01.34 | onetinsoldier | s/that/sthat's |
| 21:01.37 | onetinsoldier | oopps |
| 21:01.50 | dutchfish | xingu, or a couple of bondwells, with thick ether ;) |
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| 21:03.05 | nsadmin | got it... out of curiousity what's lspci say about the other sound card? |
| 21:03.05 | moshii | I want to remove all perms from other on my home dirs, but that breaks stops exim from delivering mail. Is it possible to make it work? |
| 21:03.05 | jelly | xingu: alas, that was before my time! verily, the oldest Sun I laid me hands on had a real sparc cpu, sun4c or d it might have been |
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| 21:03.45 | nsadmin | moshii: get exim to deliver to /var/spool/mail or /var/mail |
| 21:03.56 | xingu | I'm just old enough that father dear did his programming by cutting holes in punch cards |
| 21:04.18 | xingu | my world bootstrapped on home built micros that had character generators |
| 21:04.19 | nsadmin | but if you do that you'll need to reconfigure your clients |
| 21:04.26 | moshii | nsadmin: it does't but its still complaining that it can't chdir to $home, I pressume its looking for .forward, .procmailrc .. |
| 21:04.49 | kombi | may I throw this goodie to you problem mongers: apache processes show up in top with cpu time of 10 seconds. Name resolution and network are prestine, app developer swears his php is clean as a whistle, virtual host looks good too, ram is a plenty. I'm running out of ideas to troubleshoot.. |
| 21:04.53 | dutchfish | xingu, http://www.speurders.nl/overzicht/computers-hardware/vintage-computers/bondwell-model-12-44650445.html |
| 21:04.54 | nsadmin | what user is it running as |
| 21:04.54 | moshii | nsadmin: it does store mail in /var/mail I mean |
| 21:05.05 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 21:05.29 | moshii | nsadmin: exim is running as Debian-exim, but mail delivery seems to happen with mail |
| 21:05.30 | nsadmin | so you mean to disable their .forward and .procmailrc? |
| 21:05.32 | xingu | dutchfish: looks like an osbourne 10 |
| 21:05.50 | xingu | dutchfish: or for that matter a c128d |
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| 21:06.06 | dutchfish | xingu, osborne 12 was its predeceser |
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| 21:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, exim should run with root privileges anyways, why should it have problems with a-rwx $HOME? |
| 21:06.24 | kombi | hah, I'll do mod_status next! |
| 21:06.24 | jelly | xingu: for the longest time punch cards had been used on toll roads in .yu; I would learn what those were named after they had gone bye-bye. |
| 21:06.38 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, did you get it figured out man? |
| 21:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, ls -l /usr/bin/exim? #--> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 497908 Nov 11 2006 /usr/sbin/exim |
| 21:07.20 | xingu | jelly: heh |
| 21:07.21 | nsadmin | !.yu |
| 21:07.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, yu is Serbia and Montenegro, part of the former Yugoslavia |
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| 21:07.58 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: unsafe delivery! unsafe .forward files! |
| 21:08.23 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: well it dont work ;) |
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| 21:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, pardon? It's suid, that doesn't mean it has to do stuff as root - it can become each user whose $HOME it reads - still, that it's suid means there should be no problem |
| 21:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, and FYI, I didn't make exim, I just point out that it's suid root |
| 21:09.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, so it's also suid root for you? |
| 21:09.38 | xingu | dutchfish: I had my first cp/m exposure on that thing's nemesis - the kaypro. :) |
| 21:09.44 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: two seconds |
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| 21:09.47 | dutchfish | xingu, :) |
| 21:10.23 | xingu | dutchfish: well actually slightly before that i fondled a zilog index 2000 |
| 21:10.35 | onetinsoldier | i haven't gotten any mail ever since i insalled lenny myself. i ran through the exim configure with dpkg-reconfigure exim4. but nothing |
| 21:10.37 | dutchfish | xingu, mm.. zilog ZX |
| 21:10.40 | nsadmin | remembers woz walking around a homebrew meeting with a wirewrapped apple 1 |
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| 21:10.49 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: it has the same properties as yours |
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| 21:11.03 | moshii | dutchfish: zilog zx? |
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| 21:11.08 | moshii | wonders what that is |
| 21:11.20 | dutchfish | moshii, one of the first zilogs .. rare so |
| 21:11.21 | jelly | moshii: it's faulty human memory! |
| 21:11.29 | moshii | dutchfish: you dont mean z80? |
| 21:11.31 | nsadmin | zilogs used a z80 cpu |
| 21:11.41 | dutchfish | moshii, no, i meant zilog zx |
| 21:11.48 | moshii | nsadmin: zx spectrums used a z80 |
| 21:12.16 | moshii | dutchfish: will, the zilog guys left intel halfway through whatever they were making there and turned it into the z80 |
| 21:12.32 | dutchfish | moshii, correct |
| 21:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, perhaps you configured your user under never_users in /etc/exim/exim.conf? |
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| 21:13.28 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: this happens for everyone, if I take the other perms away exim complains that it can't chdir to $HOME and defers the mail |
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| 21:13.38 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: just a sec, I'll get the exact error |
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| 21:14.52 | moshii | R=local_user T=mail_spool defer (13): Permission denied: failed to chdir to /home/... blash |
| 21:14.56 | moshii | blah |
| 21:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, no problem for me - just sent myself a testmail - how do you send mail? I did /usr/sbin/sendmail $USER@localhost |
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| 21:15.22 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: this is mail coming to exim from outside |
| 21:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't have an outside |
| 21:15.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (i.e. this is not a mailhost) |
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| 21:16.49 | moshii | I tried to get around it by adding Debian-exim to the groups which own the home dirs, but that doesnt resolve anything |
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| 21:17.08 | tome_ | hi all |
| 21:18.01 | redtape | /join \gentoo |
| 21:18.11 | jelly | FAIL |
| 21:18.12 | moshii | oops |
| 21:18.15 | moshii | haha |
| 21:18.31 | moshii | that sums up gentoo users then |
| 21:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal redtape |
| 21:18.33 | dpkg | points at redtape and laughs hysterically |
| 21:18.35 | petemc | i use an exim filter to deliver to a dir in my home dir owned by me, works fine |
| 21:18.42 | redtape | ha, bad keymap |
| 21:18.42 | jelly | always speels his /j #rhel correctly |
| 21:19.00 | moshii | petemc: do you have o-x set though? |
| 21:19.25 | tome_ | !slap tome_ |
| 21:19.26 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across tome_'s face |
| 21:19.29 | onetinsoldier | jelly, do you use red hat? |
| 21:19.40 | moshii | petemc: without any write perms it works, so it just seems it chdirs to $HOME to see if something is there and then sends the mail to /var/mail |
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| 21:20.12 | jelly | onetinsoldier: s/use/admin/ |
| 21:20.27 | onetinsoldier | jelly, ahh, cool |
| 21:20.33 | petemc | moshii: http://pastebin.com/m3d8b89c0 |
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| 21:21.31 | ericpersson | is there an easy way to trigger a shellscript from a keyboard combination? |
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| 21:21.33 | moshii | petemc: what about home itself? It doesnt seem actually care about the mail folder inside $HOME |
| 21:21.36 | moshii | sighs |
| 21:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, stop exim and run it with something like exim -bd -d9 -f /etc/exim/exim.conf |
| 21:22.20 | jelly | ericpersson: in X? |
| 21:22.21 | helo | ericpersson: depends on the environment... |
| 21:22.25 | moshii | I only did this so some external user couldn't go checking what other peoples homes, but it's turning out to be a bollock ache |
| 21:22.46 | jelly | ericpersson: misc. desktop environments have "global shortcuts" or similar |
| 21:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, "chmod -r" on the homedirs is normally enough for that |
| 21:22.58 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: got to wait for the right moment to do that as the backup machine has fallen over |
| 21:23.07 | kombi | how do you reload a page in lynx? |
| 21:23.14 | jelly | kombi: ctrl-r |
| 21:23.19 | kombi | thx |
| 21:23.20 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: and I think that breaks exim |
| 21:23.25 | ericpersson | well, i run ratpoisin as vm, and have a remote simulating keyboard with input-kbd |
| 21:23.44 | ericpersson | jelly: so a non-gui option would be best.. |
| 21:23.54 | moshii | Could it be to do with the users being in LDAP? |
| 21:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, although - there should be NO problem with removing "x" as well - except that user WWW files in public_html/ are not accessible to the webserver anymore (if there's such a set-up) |
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| 21:24.25 | jelly | ericpersson: I'm clueless about ratpoison, sorry |
| 21:24.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, no, the x flag allows people to chdir into the directory and look for certain files , -r just makes it impossible to list the directory (so all home-dirs should always be "go-r") |
| 21:25.02 | jelly | not sure if there are ways to do it with xmodmap or xkb directly |
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| 21:25.11 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: everything www related is in /var/www which is locked down to www-data and the group of local users. I was going to change the proftpd settings to make it so that these external guys couldnt go out of $HOME, but people here want to use FTP too |
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| 21:25.44 | onetinsoldier | exim_checkaccess 127.0.0.1 onetinsoldier@localhost Accepted ...yet, i've never gotten any mail from the system ever since installing lenny. oh well, i guess no news is good news! |
| 21:26.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, eeeww, ftp uses plain-text passwords... also in a format that's easy to search for in sniffer outputs |
| 21:26.23 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure we even want them to be able to listings.. theres some stuff for one client that another client shouldnt see blah etc |
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| 21:26.38 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: I know I know |
| 21:26.52 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: but you can't get that through to some people |
| 21:27.13 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: I think proftp is configured to use SSL anyhow. |
| 21:27.23 | ericpersson | jelly: ok, sorry, I googled and found xbindkeys, will try that.. thanks anyway.. |
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| 21:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, well, you can offer anonymous ftp, if some people have no other possibility to up/download files (just make sure that one can't download uploaded files, else you'll have a warez server in there in no time) |
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| 21:28.42 | rideh | (Dual boot w/ vista) is it ill advised to share my home directories between the two. I used to do this with a home partition and no longer have that. my vista drive mounts on boot will it cause problems to create symbolic link from my /home/user directly to my /mnt/vista/users/user folder? (i run x) |
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| 21:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, that's at least what I did with my own machine... that way you can up/download things without the need to give away your pwd |
| 21:29.29 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm yeah, I still cant understand why it wont work though |
| 21:29.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, well, run exim in debug mode |
| 21:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders why his fuser queries suddenly take several seconds |
| 21:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, oh, I just see, I have exim configured to run via inetd |
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| 21:34.36 | moshii | ok, I've just did o-rl on one $HOME and it still works.. weird |
| 21:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | -l? |
| 21:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, not weird at all - no process ever should need read permission on a directory |
| 21:36.01 | moshii | I meant -x |
| 21:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 21:36.19 | moshii | auxiliary group list: <none> .. ok so it cant get into the sub level that each group has |
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| 21:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, well, if you need something to compare, here's the strace output of my exim run in debug-mode, which had no problems whatsoever http://pastebin.com/f74724948 |
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| 21:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... all 16000 lines of it |
| 21:39.03 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: its using the uid of the user, but the group of mail, so it can't get into the base directory for that group in home |
| 21:39.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | base directory? |
| 21:39.31 | moshii | home is arranged $GROUP/$USER, $GROUP being root:group |
| 21:39.52 | moshii | its trying to get in there with the users uid but the gid of mail |
| 21:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be fine with the users id |
| 21:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | gid doesn't matter then |
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| 21:42.13 | moshii | Well, taking the other perms off of $GROUP is what kills it |
| 21:43.20 | moshii | but leaving those one isn't too much of an issue |
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| 21:45.32 | BusError | hmm is there anything more 'recent' than debian sid ? trying to use cairo/pango API and some basic stuff is not in the versions in sid |
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| 21:46.27 | adb | experimental ? |
| 21:46.31 | themill | judd versions libpango1.0-0 |
| 21:46.31 | judd | themill: libpango1.0-0 -- etch: 1.14.8-5 lenny: 1.20.5-3 sid: 1.20.5-3 experimental: 1.22.3-1 |
| 21:47.47 | BusError | ahh. I still was under the impression that sid == experimental :D |
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| 21:48.10 | Guerin | fail |
| 21:48.17 | BusError | is experimental 'reasonably' stablish ? I know it's not suposed it, but is it usable ? |
| 21:48.29 | themill | dpkg: tell BusError about experimental |
| 21:49.12 | themill | BusError: experimental is not a complete distribution, you cannot "run" experimental, you can only cherry pick a couple of packages and install them into a sid system. |
| 21:50.01 | BusError | is there a howto to do that properly without breaking dependencies further on ? |
| 21:50.07 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: -rx on the group directory sorted it.. I'll leave it at that |
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| 21:50.42 | themill | judd: versions libcairo2 |
| 21:50.42 | judd | themill: libcairo2 -- etch: 1.2.4-4.1+etch1 etch-security: 1.2.4-4.1+etch1 lenny-security: 1.4.10-1+lenny2 lenny: 1.6.4-6.1 sid: 1.6.4-6.1 experimental: 1.8.4-1 |
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| 21:50.59 | themill | stew: ^^ there's another lenny/updates that is ripe for pruning... |
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| 21:51.53 | stew | hmm |
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| 21:53.39 | stew | oh, why didn't I save the query that finds all of those in udd |
| 21:54.03 | RichiH | what is the tag on bugs that relate to insserv, again? |
| 21:54.11 | ilaiho | dpkg: Help |
| 21:54.20 | RichiH | would like to test parallel booting, but check his system, first |
| 21:54.56 | abrotman | RichiH: i think there was just a d-d-a thing about that |
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| 21:55.18 | abrotman | RichiH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/11/msg00007.html .. that? |
| 21:55.29 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone here using mysql enterprise on debian? |
| 21:55.33 | stew | RichiH: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?usertag=initscripts-ng-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org |
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| 21:55.54 | abrotman | points at ponyofdeath and laughs |
| 21:56.43 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: let's just say we were .. are you having a problem with it? |
| 21:56.46 | RichiH | stew: ta |
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| 21:56.59 | RichiH | abrotman: ta, too |
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| 21:57.25 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: well no im trying to decide which distro i should use for the db servers and was wondering if debian was well supported |
| 21:57.26 | BusError | for posterity, and because it's on the third page of a google search : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental |
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| 21:57.43 | stew | themill: leah, it looks like there are a handful that have either creeped back in or were missed the first time |
| 21:57.51 | moshii | ponyofdeath: why not use oracle if you're going to pay for it? |
| 21:58.10 | ponyofdeath | moshii: not my decision on that |
| 21:58.31 | themill | stew: yes... if it's not automated, this will happen. |
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| 21:59.03 | stew | themill: yeah, but cairo2 wasn't a recent transition |
| 21:59.14 | stew | and ethereal is still in there |
| 21:59.21 | stew | wait, my query didnt' find cairo, hmm |
| 21:59.29 | themill | stew: true |
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| 22:01.55 | stew | oh, my query is looking for packages not in testing, not just ones older than testing |
| 22:02.25 | stew | if only postgresql had a 'dpkg --compare-versions' operator |
| 22:03.05 | stew | themill: i'll ping tomv in any case |
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| 22:04.33 | BusError | thansk guys, I got cairo/pango/rsvg from experimental and it works now |
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| 22:08.32 | stew | experimental eats babies |
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| 22:09.12 | rideh | i must be missing which repo ntfs-3g comes in. debian server running 2.6.18 unable to find it at all. using etch main repos. added contrib and still not finding it. |
| 22:09.33 | themill | dpkg: tell rideh about ntfs-3g |
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| 22:10.01 | rideh | themill, ty didnt try backports yet |
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| 22:10.56 | themill | stew: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/sql-createoperator.html |
| 22:11.02 | themill | hides from stew's every growing TODO list |
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| 22:14.37 | Sazpaimon | anybody else get an input/output error when using curlftpfs and tarring files? |
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| 22:15.04 | stew | themill: yeah, i already had that page bookmarked :) |
| 22:15.18 | stew | themill: i'm gonna assign that one a pretty low priority :) |
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| 22:17.51 | Sazpaimon | hmm, seems i cant create a NEW file when tarring, but when tar overwrites an old file it works |
| 22:20.11 | onetinsoldier | wonders what's happened to xsnow. goes to get the source. |
| 22:20.21 | gravity | non-free, iirc |
| 22:21.10 | onetinsoldier | oh? hmm, probably right. i have non-free in my sources.list. |
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| 22:22.10 | onetinsoldier | it's snowing pretty good outside here, so i need some on my desktop, and santa! |
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| 22:22.39 | JDahl | Are *-dbg packages compiled with -pg, or only -g? |
| 22:23.40 | onetinsoldier | gravity, well, tucows lists it as gpl |
| 22:23.48 | Rockj | Debian Lenny is frozen ? So python3 wont have slight chance to appear in lenny right? |
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| 22:24.02 | twobitsprite | python3 is out? |
| 22:24.06 | Rockj | yeah |
| 22:24.10 | bw\ | yep, released today |
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| 22:24.31 | Rockj | Finally it's all unicode by default. |
| 22:24.40 | gravity | onetinsoldier: Hrm, that's a surprise... let me go look |
| 22:25.06 | gravity | onetinsoldier: It's in non-free in unstable |
| 22:25.23 | gravity | I'm installing now and I'll check the license to see why. I've never bothered to look at it. |
| 22:25.50 | onetinsoldier | gravity, roger.... things that make you go hmmmm |
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| 22:26.30 | onetinsoldier | gravity, anyway, i just unpacked the v1.42 source and i have a look-see |
| 22:26.36 | gravity | "This package is not part of Debian main because its license only allows |
| 22:26.37 | gravity | modifications for the purpose of packaging but not arbitrary modifications." |
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| 22:26.58 | stew | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/x/xsnow/xsnow_1.42-8/xsnow.copyright |
| 22:27.01 | gravity | Yeah, the license is short and clear. He retains all rights. |
| 22:27.12 | onetinsoldier | is that a difference between gpl and gpl2? |
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| 22:28.41 | gravity | onetinsoldier: No |
| 22:28.46 | stew | maybe |
| 22:28.46 | gravity | Totally different license |
| 22:28.53 | stew | oh |
| 22:28.56 | stew | 'that' |
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| 22:29.08 | stew | i read it as 'there' |
| 22:29.24 | onetinsoldier | gravity, roger.. i just read the readme.. just like you said. he clearly retains all rights |
| 22:29.25 | gravity | tucows, as ever, should be ignored |
| 22:29.31 | gravity | is surprised it's still around actually |
| 22:29.34 | onetinsoldier | gravity, roger that |
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| 22:31.39 | colton | Hi, so if I downloaded SDL of the web, (to include in a game, say) and sudo make install |
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| 22:31.50 | colton | it, where does it go? |
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| 22:33.06 | gravity | colton: Most likely /usr/local and its subdirectories |
| 22:33.48 | colton | So, could I then delete the original directory where I "sudo make installed" it? |
| 22:33.50 | emretemp | hi, does "hostname" must be a real domain adress? for example i use "debianDesktop" as my hostname, nothing bad ever happened. but im just curious. thx in adv. |
| 22:34.05 | gravity | colton: It depends on what you want to do really |
| 22:34.16 | emretemp | its a small web server |
| 22:34.23 | gravity | colton: If you want to bundle it with a tarball you'll be distributing, you probably want to hang on to it |
| 22:34.24 | emretemp | for development purposes |
| 22:34.37 | gravity | emretemp: No, that's ok |
| 22:34.40 | colton | I have no intention to bundle it. |
| 22:35.02 | emretemp | gravity: thank you. |
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| 22:35.24 | gravity | colton: Ok, then you can probably delete it, although if you want to uninstall it, keeping the original tree around is important |
| 22:35.25 | colton | What I mean to ask is, If I made a program which uses SDL, if I deleted that original directory, would it somehow break that application? |
| 22:35.31 | gravity | Well, uninstall automagically |
| 22:35.48 | gravity | colton: No, it won't unless you explicitly build using those files |
| 22:35.56 | colton | k thx. |
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| 22:36.26 | onetinsoldier | if you go to compile something else from source that want the SDL header files.. then that's the only time you'd be out of luck by getting rid of the source dir |
| 22:38.46 | colton | So, I have a pretty fresh install of Ubuntu, and I want to keep my files organized (and in the right place so nothing breaks). Is there some kind of convention (perhaps a tutorial somewhere) which helps to explain this? |
| 22:39.20 | Guerin | colton: the convention is that you ask in #ubuntu |
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| 22:40.34 | Meaw | Hi, what is ksoftirqd_cpu0 for? this is the first time seeing it on the running process? my network become very slow |
| 22:40.35 | Meaw | :/ |
| 22:41.18 | twobitsprite | Meaw: where are you seeing that? |
| 22:41.25 | twobitsprite | i.e., wtf? |
| 22:41.37 | Meaw | When i do ps ax |
| 22:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, hehe |
| 22:41.44 | Meaw | I see it with the running process |
| 22:41.46 | Meaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.48 | twobitsprite | http://lists.debian.org/debian-hppa/2002/11/msg00061.html |
| 22:42.55 | twobitsprite | did you try googling it? |
| 22:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Meaw, also https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2002-December/msg01456.html |
| 22:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, nope :) |
| 22:44.17 | twobitsprite | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 22:45.03 | tetonca | ;) |
| 22:45.04 | Meaw | twobitsprite, there's few lines in /proc/interrupts |
| 22:45.09 | Meaw | about keyboard and eth0 and eth1 |
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| 22:45.34 | karsten | Any advice on a MacBook Pro (Intel) install more current than dpkg's 'macbook install' factoid? |
| 22:45.47 | karsten | is aiming for dual boot and/or paralleles and/or other virtualization |
| 22:46.16 | karsten | !macbook install |
| 22:46.16 | dpkg | it has been said that macbook install is still under development but see: http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/HOWTO, or http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 22:46.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | the wiki one should be still pretty good? |
| 22:47.09 | tetonca | What is the jist of the current install method on Mac? |
| 22:47.11 | karsten | I was hoping that but thought I'd ask. New kit at $WORK. |
| 22:47.25 | tetonca | I ran Linux on powerpc and knew its methods then. |
| 22:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, if it's not up to date, then you can edit it :) |
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| 22:49.20 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, get a real name. |
| 22:49.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Meaw, also, in this thread (if you bothered to look at the link and it's follow-ups, you'll already have seen that: http://lists.debian.org/debian-hppa/2002/11/msg00061.html ) |
| 22:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, like what? |
| 22:49.58 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, I dunno... ;-) |
| 22:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | cuts karstens throat. |
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| 22:50.59 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks, but I already shaved this morning. |
| 22:51.13 | karsten | rates his blades by rust. The more the merrier. |
| 22:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | not as neatly as it is now |
| 22:51.52 | Aggro | awww, knife fight |
| 22:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !stab Aggro |
| 22:52.31 | dpkg | runs at Aggro with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:52.33 | Aggro | Rule 1: Never speak with stranges holding knifes. |
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| 22:52.48 | Aggro | strangers |
| 22:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Soisei_Seki, enjoying yourself? |
| 22:53.07 | karsten | Aggro: If you kiss 'em, they're no longer strangers. |
| 22:53.16 | Soisei-seki | CutMeOwnThroat, :P |
| 22:53.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and it's amazing how fast they become enemies when you attack them with a knife |
| 22:53.43 | tetonca | The methods have definitely changed. Thanks for that wiki pointer. I'm *completely obsolete* now -- so I can rest. ;) |
| 22:53.45 | karsten | Growing up in NoCal during droughts, slogan at the time "save water, shower with a friend". |
| 22:53.56 | karsten | ... to which a friend said, "what if you don't have any friends" |
| 22:54.03 | karsten | "Make a friend: shower with a stranger" |
| 22:54.39 | Aggro | karsten: That was good one |
| 22:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | what if you're a lone farmer... "shower with a pig"? |
| 22:54.54 | Aggro | CutMeOwnThroat: You are scaring me |
| 22:56.42 | dustybin | Aggro: his nickname has scared me for months |
| 22:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Aggro, really? Would you like to have a sausage inna bun? |
| 22:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, are you living in the US? |
| 22:57.18 | dustybin | UK |
| 22:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... then I'll keep my nick |
| 22:57.46 | twobitsprite | you all a bunch of wimps |
| 22:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | else I'd had to have feared you'd sue me for tramatizing you |
| 22:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | traumatizing* |
| 22:58.08 | dustybin | twobitsprite: did the C64 use two bit sprites ? |
| 22:58.29 | twobitsprite | indeed it did |
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| 22:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, last time I *did* change my nick for you, you didn't show any interest, too |
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| 22:59.38 | Meaw | twobitsprite, ok since ksoftirqd_CPU0 isnt the problem, my network is quite slow.. I read that but in /proc/interrupts it contains few lines what is it about? |
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| 23:02.58 | Aggro | In what order are packages in this page accepted: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
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| 23:03.27 | Meaw | here is the content http://pastebin.com/m75f3ca11 |
| 23:03.33 | Aggro | Btw, that page is not valid html 4.01 even it claims to be so. |
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| 23:05.09 | gravity | Aggro: It's more or less at the ftpmaster's discretion. Generally in order, but they'll process simple or immediately necessary stuff in preference to difficult older packages |
| 23:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, well, it's not normal, that top shows that using 100% CPU... but it's some hardware creating lots of interrupts you're looking for... also see http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic=8183 - also seems wireless networks under some condition make it |
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| 23:06.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops - Meaw ^^, not twobitsprite |
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| 23:06.51 | Aggro | gravity: Thanks, is there some kind of estimation how long simple new package has to wait there? It's been 3-4 weeks now. |
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| 23:07.58 | gravity | Aggro: It depends on how busy ftpmaster is really. If it's uploaded to unstable it'll probably be a while though. |
| 23:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Aggro, I think they might be busy with Lenny right now |
| 23:08.27 | gravity | Uploads to experimental seem to be getting processed though |
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| 23:09.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Aggro, what package is it anyways? |
| 23:09.55 | Aggro | CutMeOwnThroat: cppcheck |
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| 23:10.27 | themill | Aggro: there was a new upload less than a week ago for that package. |
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| 23:10.42 | Aggro | themill: Does that mean it will take even more time? |
| 23:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, sais 4 days |
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| 23:11.00 | Aggro | themill: It gets new version every month, so it will never get there? |
| 23:11.02 | stikazzy | Pronto... pronto |
| 23:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | says* |
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| 23:12.01 | octox2 | what is considered fast for read and writing to a usb flash drive? I bout a Patriot 180X which is supposed to be screemin, but It doesnt seem the greatest so far? |
| 23:12.40 | themill | Aggro: you make life more difficult for ftp-masters when you upload another new package. Perhaps hold off doing so until it's accepted. |
| 23:13.12 | Aggro | themill: After it is accepted, can I then upload new packages more frequently? |
| 23:13.26 | themill | Aggro: yes |
| 23:13.53 | gravity | Aggro: How is it that you have upload privs and you don't know this? |
| 23:13.58 | stew | Aggro: after it is accepted, your uploads don't require NEW processing unless they do something like add a new binary package |
| 23:14.10 | Aggro | gravity: I have a sponsor, no privileges |
| 23:14.17 | gravity | Ah |
| 23:14.54 | Aggro | Thank you for this information |
| 23:15.10 | Aggro | Someone should write this to the new.html page ;) |
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| 23:15.38 | themill | dpkg: tell Aggro about mentors |
| 23:16.01 | themill | Aggro: the debian mentors faq, mentors.debian.net and the NMG cover all this in detail. |
| 23:16.09 | stew | Aggro: and the debian developers reference |
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| 23:16.53 | stew | might as well through debian policy manual in as well |
| 23:18.07 | nullboy | hey i've only ever used KDE and now that i've got debian installed, i'm wondering what i should use for dvd-r mastering |
| 23:18.12 | nullboy | any suggestions? |
| 23:18.42 | themill | nullboy: you can install KDE and use whatever tool you are used to using. /msg dpkg install kde |
| 23:18.57 | stew | or just mkisofs and wodim |
| 23:19.00 | nullboy | themill: what is the mastering tool called for gnome? |
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| 23:19.10 | themill | no idea. |
| 23:19.15 | nullboy | stew: is there a gnome centered mastering tools? |
| 23:19.30 | nullboy | something like k3b |
| 23:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, what did you use before |
| 23:19.34 | nullboy | k3b |
| 23:19.38 | stew | yeah, somehting with bras in the name, and maybe gnome-baker? |
| 23:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, there's no reason not to use k3b |
| 23:20.04 | stew | brasero and gnomebaker |
| 23:20.11 | nullboy | stew: thanks |
| 23:20.33 | themill | nullboy: apt-cache search dvd gnome |
| 23:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, I've never used KDE, but still used k3b for burning - it only needs you waste a bit of diskspace for kdelibs4c2a and other kde-related libraries |
| 23:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/needs/means/ |
| 23:21.06 | stew | themill: oh, come on, give us an aptitude search that looks for hardware::storage:cd and uitoolkit::gtk |
| 23:21.35 | themill | stew: I'll leave that sort of shameless aptitude-fu display to you :) |
| 23:21.38 | nullboy | CutMeOwnThroat: alright, thanks! i'll try 'em all ;) |
| 23:22.12 | stew | actually is it me or did aptitude serach '~Gfoo' stop working in lenny |
| 23:22.17 | stew | is it me or is nobody else using aptitude to search? :) |
| 23:22.50 | nullboy | hey i'm newbie sorry |
| 23:22.55 | nullboy | i'll figure it out now |
| 23:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, you manage to confuse me with this construct of a sentence :) |
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| 23:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | considers "is it me or is nobody else" |
| 23:25.17 | stew | why aren't we all speaking in esperanto yet? |
| 23:25.28 | themill | stew: aptitude search "?and(~Guitoolkit::gtk, ~Ghardware::storage:cd)" seems to work here |
| 23:26.07 | stew | not here |
| 23:26.07 | chuck | There used to be a `mail` command, does it still exist? |
| 23:26.15 | stew | chuck: in the mailx package |
| 23:26.17 | themill | chuck: mailx package |
| 23:26.20 | kombi | chuck: very much so.. |
| 23:26.25 | chuck | cool, thanks |
| 23:26.30 | stew | do you see how i tricked themill into giving us the aptitude search command we were looking for? |
| 23:26.32 | kombi | slow typer me.. |
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| 23:26.57 | themill | :( |
| 23:27.22 | themill | stew: not that it turns up brasero |
| 23:28.02 | nullboy | what is the generally accepted method to disable certain services in the rc scripts on debian? |
| 23:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, not so surprising, as that doesn't seem to have any tags at all |
| 23:28.07 | kombi | any downsides to apt-cache search vs aptitude search |
| 23:28.16 | stew | aptitude search '~Gwhatever" never turns up anything for me on lenny/sid, but does on etch |
| 23:28.19 | kombi | nullboy: #? |
| 23:28.20 | nullboy | is it as simple as running: /etc/init.d/service disable ? |
| 23:28.22 | liable | nullboy: /msg dpkg services |
| 23:28.38 | themill | stew: do you have debtags installed? |
| 23:28.43 | stew | themill: brasero isn't tagged |
| 23:28.51 | kombi | nullboy: update-rc.d |
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| 23:29.03 | kombi | or so.. |
| 23:29.08 | themill | stew: which makes searching by tags so useful.... :S |
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| 23:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, it's just another way of having a big car - it doesn't have to be comfortable, fuel-efficient or work well... .just look expensive |
| 23:29.54 | stew | there is some thoeretical way we could fix that |
| 23:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean... like you could go and tag it? |
| 23:30.09 | stew | yes |
| 23:30.18 | themill | http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/index.html |
| 23:30.52 | themill | although the page for that says that it is tagged/ |
| 23:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's nice |
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| 23:32.08 | stew | yeah, i needed to install debtags |
| 23:32.17 | intrin | hey does http://99.196.130.98 work? |
| 23:32.47 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude also lets you spout unreadable search terms into the channel to appear like you posses actual magic |
| 23:33.01 | themill | heh |
| 23:33.18 | stew | intrin: gives a 'welcome' page |
| 23:33.23 | intrin | ty |
| 23:33.26 | intrin | :) |
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| 23:38.35 | nullboy | so synaptic won't let me remove anything swfdec related without removing all of gnome too? what's up with that? |
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| 23:39.29 | nullboy | is the "consider recommended packages ad deps" the problem there? |
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| 23:40.20 | tompaw | Hi |
| 23:40.28 | themill | nullboy: lenny? |
| 23:41.01 | nullboy | themill: testing |
| 23:41.04 | nullboy | if that is lenny |
| 23:41.18 | themill | nullboy: it is for the moment. Try: aptitude why gnome swfdec-gnome |
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| 23:41.29 | tompaw | I was doing an aptitude dist-upgrade using an x-terminal that died. is there any way to re-connect to this process with my current console? |
| 23:41.42 | tompaw | I know it was stupid not to screen it. |
| 23:41.57 | khopesh | tompaw: not that i know of, but your downloads will be resumed where they left off, and dpkg is pretty good about repairing itself |
| 23:42.10 | tompaw | i see |
| 23:42.14 | tompaw | khopesh: thanks :) |
| 23:42.15 | khopesh | just try running it again. it will instruct you on how to unravel the mess |
| 23:42.29 | khopesh | np |
| 23:42.37 | khopesh | now i ask people a question: |
| 23:42.41 | nullboy | so i'm stuck having all those stupid play buttons with any website that has flash media? |
| 23:42.49 | khopesh | why do all debian packages use CFLAGS=-g ? |
| 23:43.28 | adb | what's CFLAGS ? |
| 23:43.30 | khopesh | -g is for debug, which I don't really want ... is that just an artifact of "apt-get source foo" ? |
| 23:43.49 | khopesh | CFLAGS is the gcc optimization variable |
| 23:44.04 | adb | thanks khopesh |
| 23:44.12 | Maveas | Someone used to Sun VirtualBox? |
| 23:45.10 | adb | Maveas: just ask |
| 23:45.10 | Maveas | I need to make one of my "dynamical expanding images" larger - how do I do that? |
| 23:45.16 | confused | t |
| 23:46.16 | Maveas | I need to make one of my "dynamical expanding images" larger in Sun VirtualBox - how do I do that? |
| 23:46.22 | Maveas | Oh, doh, sorry for repost :7 |
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| 23:47.52 | adb | I'm not sure is ones fixed the "dynamical expanding images" we may change it |
| 23:48.16 | onetinsoldier | nullboy, you're not stuck if you want to work around it |
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| 23:48.45 | themill | dpkg: tell nullboy about adobe flash |
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| 23:49.02 | Maveas | adb: huh? |
| 23:49.05 | themill | nullboy: you should be able to select which flash plugin you want to use. |
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| 23:50.31 | nullboy | onetinsoldier: well how can i work around it? i have the flash plugin installed but i can't get rid of swfdec because it will uninstall all of gnome.... |
| 23:50.32 | adb | i'll create a new vm image with wanted size with the same .iso or so |
| 23:50.34 | nullboy | that's crazy |
| 23:50.49 | adb | Maveas: ^^^ |
| 23:50.51 | nullboy | i have selected the flash plugin in iceweasel too |
| 23:51.12 | themill | nullboy: it won't get rid of all of gnome, just the gnome metapackage. /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 23:51.21 | Maveas | adb: so I have to start over? |
| 23:51.44 | adb | at least me i'll do so |
| 23:52.15 | nullboy | themill: so what "strategic" package name do i use in this case? |
| 23:52.17 | nullboy | gnome? |
| 23:52.18 | Maveas | adb, ok, I'll do it - doesn't takes more than 2 seconds anyway |
| 23:52.45 | themill | nullboy: no, gnome-core at a guess. And perhaps some other bits |
| 23:53.08 | nullboy | i don't understand what is happening though, on a different system yesterday i didn't have this issue |
| 23:53.30 | nullboy | this is a fresh install and gnome was installed during install time |
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| 23:53.47 | onetinsoldier | and on the other system? |
| 23:53.51 | nullboy | same deal |
| 23:53.57 | onetinsoldier | oh, hmmm |
| 23:54.01 | nullboy | but it wasn't trying to remove all of gnome |
| 23:54.09 | nullboy | all i want to remove is swfdec stuff |
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| 23:54.55 | nullboy | so in synaptic, if i actually let it do what it says it will do, it's really going to remove gnome isn't it? |
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| 23:55.08 | onetinsoldier | nullboy, let's not worry about the other system for now and let's go one step at a time with the problem system |
| 23:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, try apt-cache rdepends swfdec-gnome |
| 23:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I assume you were talking about swfdec-gnome) |
| 23:55.34 | nullboy | CutMeOwnThroat: Reverse Depends: gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:55.39 | nullboy | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, |
| 23:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, yes, I know what it says... but you didnt :) |
| 23:56.02 | nullboy | even just trying to remove the swfdec-mozilla does the same thing though, tries to remove gnome.... |
| 23:56.14 | nullboy | this is just silly |
| 23:56.16 | themill | "aptitude why gnome swfdec-gnome" |
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| 23:56.40 | nullboy | themill: i did that as well, but why is just swfdec-mozilla also making it remove all of gnome? |
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| 23:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, also see what "apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment" tells you |
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| 23:58.31 | FredZ | How can I find out what PCI cards deb can see installed on my server? I thought it was lspci but it doesn't exist on my parse install. |
| 23:58.36 | themill | nullboy: gnome is a metapackage of the things the gnome people think you need if you want the entire gnome desktop environment. Uninstalling it doesn't remove anything from your system. |
| 23:59.20 | nullboy | themill: so it's safe to remove swfdec-mozilla even while synaptic says it will remove "gnome" ? that's what you're saying? |
| 23:59.42 | themill | nullboy: if all it says that it will remove is "gnome" then that's OK. |
| 23:59.51 | nullboy | yes, it only mentions gnome |
| 23:59.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, - so what happens is, that all of the gnome stuff was/is installed because gnome-desktop-environment depends on it - when you remove one package that gnome-desktop-environment depends on, all the others packages it depends on become "unused" and aptitude suggests it for auto-removal |
| 23:59.57 | onetinsoldier | FredZ, aptitude install pciutils |
