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| 00:00.13 | FredZ | TY |
| 00:00.27 | onetinsoldier | FredZ, yw |
| 00:00.28 | nullboy | CutMeOwnThroat: but that doesn't mean the whole DE will be trashed, right? |
| 00:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, /msg dpkg autoremove and /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 00:00.43 | nullboy | i just want to remove the lame swfdec-mozilla part because to be blunt, it sucks |
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| 00:01.30 | nullboy | btw, thank you guys for helping me out here with this |
| 00:01.31 | themill | nullboy: you could just ignore it... |
| 00:01.32 | nullboy | all of you |
| 00:01.36 | onetinsoldier | nullboy, just mark gnome and/or gnome-desktop-environment as being 'manully' installed rather than 'auto' installed |
| 00:01.44 | onetinsoldier | manually* |
| 00:01.50 | themill | onetinsoldier: that won't help |
| 00:02.08 | onetinsoldier | themill, oh.. i guess i have that backwards |
| 00:02.15 | Zambezi | Anyone know how well Logitech diNovo Edge works in Debian (Lenny)? It's keyboard with touchpad, link here: http://tinyurl.com/6dcju7 |
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| 00:02.32 | themill | gnome depends on gnome-desktop-env which depends on swfdec-gnome |
| 00:02.34 | nullboy | themill: i'll just ignore it. i was alarmed by that notice because i thought it meant that all of gnome was going to be removed too, that's all |
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| 00:02.55 | Skipp_OSX | I am trying to get openssh installed on Debian Woody stable.... but I cannot seem to get it to work |
| 00:02.57 | themill | nullboy: I meant ignore swfdec and just use adobe flash |
| 00:03.12 | zibri | Skipp_OSX: woody? |
| 00:03.13 | themill | Skipp_OSX: woody hasn't been stable for a very very long time. |
| 00:03.31 | Skipp_OSX | yes, I am trying to compile this package using glibc 2.2 |
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| 00:03.49 | nullboy | themill: i am using adobe flash plugin, it is installed and i selected it for flash meida in iceweasel but anything flash related still has the swfdec play button. |
| 00:03.51 | themill | Skipp_OSX: is there any point to this exercise? |
| 00:03.58 | Skipp_OSX | which is why I am using woody, last debian release that used version |
| 00:04.18 | Skipp_OSX | well, because the client is running our software on a very old machine |
| 00:04.26 | Skipp_OSX | and he needs a new version compiled |
| 00:04.30 | JBastos | how can i know which debian am i using? |
| 00:04.34 | themill | nullboy: "selected it for flash"? |
| 00:04.37 | FredZ | I have an old compaq 6500 with 2 fibre channel arrays installed. deb can see the cards (in that it states "04:02.0 Network controller: Compaq Computer Corporation Fibre Channel Host Controller (rev 03)" How can I mount the arrays attached to them? The is a 4.0R5 parse install |
| 00:04.40 | themill | dpkg: tell JBastos about version |
| 00:04.41 | Skipp_OSX | and unfortunately upgrading is not an option |
| 00:04.47 | Skipp_OSX | so yeah, there is a point kind of |
| 00:04.53 | nullboy | themill: yes, "selected it for flash" in iceweasel. |
| 00:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, you can run something like show gnome-desktop-environment |grep Depends | sed 's/Depends/aptitude install/;s/([^)]*)//g;s/,//g'", then copyedit the resulting line to get all the things marked as installed manually that you want to keep |
| 00:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | (note that '|' is a logical or, so you should/sometimes have to remove one of them) |
| 00:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 00:07.05 | JBastos | it says lenny/sid... so my version is both? |
| 00:07.25 | themill | dpkg: tell JBastos about lenny/sid |
| 00:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment |grep Depends | sed 's/Depends/aptitude install/;s/([^)]*)//g;s/,//g'" |
| 00:07.41 | reelbk | hey, I'm running etch, but the latest version of mercurial in that branch is a little too old for me. What would be the easiest way to get a newer package out of the testing branch? |
| 00:08.22 | themill | dpkg: tell reelbk about bpo |
| 00:08.30 | JBastos | dpkg, tracked suites |
| 00:08.30 | dpkg | To determine precisely which Debian suites a system tracks, run $ apt-cache policy|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'|sort -u|tr "n" ,;echo; |
| 00:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww... apropos, is there a way to tell which repository a package was installed from? |
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| 00:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and yes, the awww, was on the tracked suites factoid) |
| 00:09.30 | Skipp_OSX | yeah, the packages are def broken |
| 00:09.38 | Skipp_OSX | and the source won't compile =*( |
| 00:09.40 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: not exactly, but /msg dpkg list repositories |
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| 00:10.34 | zibri | can you force apt to use ipv4? |
| 00:11.36 | reelbk | themill: I ran the command, and I'm definitely running etch stable. So is it possible to grab just one package out of the testing branch? The version of mercurial in that branch is new enough to work for me. |
| 00:11.47 | dondelelcaro | zibri: it shouldn't ever matter what it uses |
| 00:12.15 | onetinsoldier | reelbk, add lenny(or testing) to your /etc/apt/sources list. then use apt_preferences to pin the the distro's(or even just one package) to a certain preference level, then you should just be able to apt-get install it. |
| 00:12.18 | themill | reelbk: no. You can't just install a package from testing into stable. Follow dpkg's advice about looking on backports.org |
| 00:12.22 | zibri | dondelelcaro: well, if I recieve an ipv6 address, but it doesn't route... |
| 00:12.32 | themill | reelbk: and ignore onetinsoldier, he's talking rubbish again. |
| 00:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:12.42 | onetinsoldier | reelbk, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning and man apt_preferences |
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| 00:13.00 | themill | dpkg: tell onetinsoldier about pinning |
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| 00:13.13 | \amethyst | onetinsoldier: the version of mercurial from testing depends on a newer libc than is in etch |
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| 00:13.39 | onetinsoldier | oh.. well there goes that idea |
| 00:13.41 | themill | onetinsoldier: the version on backports.org, however, does not because it's been compiled for etch. |
| 00:13.47 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 00:13.52 | themill | judd versions mercurial |
| 00:13.53 | judd | themill: mercurial -- etch: 0.9.1-1+etch1 etch-backports: 1.0.1-5.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.1-5.1 sid: 1.0.1-5.1 |
| 00:14.04 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. libc is the end-all be-all |
| 00:14.11 | reelbk | alright, thanks for the advice guys. I guess I could compile mercurial and install it overtop the stable one that came out of apt-get, right? Would apt shit all over itself in that case? |
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| 00:14.32 | tempest130_ | Hi everybody |
| 00:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | reelbk, err... you didn't understand what people were telling you, right? |
| 00:14.55 | tempest130_ | Has anyone tried setting up iFolder on Debian 4.0? |
| 00:14.58 | \amethyst | reelbk: if 1.0.1 is new enough for you, install it from backports |
| 00:15.01 | \amethyst | !backports |
| 00:15.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 00:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, and bpo is "see backports.org" :( - if someone told me how one makes real aliases for factoids, I'd fix such stuff when I see it |
| 00:16.16 | reelbk | I must have missed that. Alright, I'll try backports, thanks |
| 00:16.29 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: there's nothing wrong with the bpo factoid... it's an alias. |
| 00:16.30 | themill | !bpo |
| 00:16.30 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 00:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 00:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok |
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| 00:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that's how an alias goes, I guess :) |
| 00:17.35 | themill | !literal bpo |
| 00:17.35 | dpkg | "bpo" is "<reply> see backports.org" |
| 00:17.38 | onetinsoldier | themill, i would appreciate your knowledge about it requiring a newer libc. is this something that you 'just knew' off the top of your head? |
| 00:17.39 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed |
| 00:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just often use "literal" to spare me the "rumor says" part |
| 00:17.53 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. |
| 00:17.59 | \amethyst | onetinsoldier: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mercurial and follow the links |
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| 00:18.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | which explains why I run a lot into see <something> -> see <something else> chains |
| 00:18.14 | \amethyst | onetinsoldier: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/mercurial says it depends on libc6 >= 2.7-1 |
| 00:18.39 | onetinsoldier | \amethyst, ok, roger. becaue you guys knew that awful quickly |
| 00:18.48 | \amethyst | onetinsoldier: and http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libc6 says that etch has 2.3.6.ds1 |
| 00:18.49 | themill | onetinsoldier: or "apt-cache show mercurial" would tell you that. As a rule, if it is a C program, then it will need the newer libc. |
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| 00:19.48 | onetinsoldier | sorry.. just that i felt themill was pretty quick to just thrash me. i now have two hole on my backside |
| 00:19.56 | onetinsoldier | shole/holes |
| 00:20.00 | onetinsoldier | s/hole/holes |
| 00:20.01 | themill | onetinsoldier: Basically, the only thing that you can safely grab from testing if you are running stable is a java package. |
| 00:20.16 | onetinsoldier | good lord! @themill |
| 00:20.20 | themill | onetinsoldier: mixing testing and stable is *never* a good thing to do. |
| 00:20.27 | onetinsoldier | well, i'll keep that in mind then |
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| 00:21.01 | themill | (for a value of never that allows you to occasionally do it if you really know what you are doing and if it's only just after a new stable release has gone out the door) |
| 00:21.23 | onetinsoldier | copy |
| 00:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it's not such a rare never... |
| 00:21.47 | reelbk | wow, backports is highly sexual. thank you |
| 00:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you see it rather quickly... if it's trying to update 20 libs, it's probably not safe |
| 00:23.52 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: you're assuming that the versioned dependencies are accurate at that stage, and since you're probably the only person to ever try, they may or may not actually be right. So apt may let you do it without it actually being safe to do. |
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| 00:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, well, if it doesn't work, you've found something to file a bug report against because the dependencies are wrong... which is, basically, a good thing :) |
| 00:25.48 | Skipp_OSX | I figured it out, I had to install libc6-dev |
| 00:25.54 | Skipp_OSX | I hate all these dev packages |
| 00:26.33 | adb | you don't , they save you |
| 00:26.35 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: no-one will care about such a bug because you're doing something you're not supposed to do. It would be like trying to file a bug against gcc because the powerpc-compiled executable didn't work on x86. |
| 00:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, it doesn't hurt trying if there's not a lot of dependencies |
| 00:27.43 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: true... but if it's a C program it's doomed to failure. Python and perl are probably also in the same boat given recent changes too. |
| 00:27.49 | \amethyst | themill: well, if it lets you install the package with dependencies that don't actually allow it to work, it's something that could break upgrades |
| 00:27.59 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: That doesn't leave much of the archive left... |
| 00:28.11 | \amethyst | themill: so I think it would be worth reporting |
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| 00:29.08 | themill | \amethyst: possibly. I still think people won't care much. Given that bugs that break people updating from day to day within lenny are often marked wontfix because they will never affect the final etch->lenny upgrade. |
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| 00:29.53 | \amethyst | themill: but something like this (the lenny package's dependencies let it be installed in etch, but then it doesn't work) can affect the final upgrade |
| 00:30.17 | Canaris_ | Does anyone know how to get rid of the Desktop icons? (Computer, Personal folder, Trash) ? |
| 00:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, never had any |
| 00:30.43 | \amethyst | themill: because then during the upgrade the package will get upgraded too early, and packages that use it in their install scripts (and pre-depend on it) will fail |
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| 00:31.09 | \amethyst | themill: if it's something that doesn't have any reverse pre-depends it's probably not so serious |
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| 00:31.15 | themill | \amethyst: shouldn't do if you were following the correct upgrade procedure. But it's too late to think about pre-depends at this time of night! |
| 00:31.28 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, you never had Desktop icons? I had them in Etch and now in lenny |
| 00:32.02 | amphi | icons are the devil's playthings |
| 00:32.35 | Canaris_ | amphi, true, thats why i wanna get rid of them. Any idea how to do that? |
| 00:32.49 | amphi | Canaris_: in what? |
| 00:33.01 | amphi | gnome? |
| 00:33.16 | Canaris_ | amphi, i am using lenny and i wanna get rid of the standard-installation-desktop-icons (Computer, Personal Folder, Trash) |
| 00:33.21 | Canaris_ | amphi, yes gnome |
| 00:33.39 | amphi | I think you must plunge into the trackless waste of gconf |
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| 00:34.13 | amphi | it'll be a nautilus setting, no doubt - I believe that's what draws the gnome 'desktop' |
| 00:34.21 | amphi | gconf-editor |
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| 00:34.45 | themill | Are they not just .desktop files in the ~/Desktop directory? |
| 00:35.26 | Canaris_ | themill, no, 'ls -la' gives me only . and .. |
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| 00:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, no, I'm running fvwm2, as a WM |
| 00:36.41 | chomwitt | hi. in a new lenny x86 installation i get a strange behavior. the first user i created has sound but the second user i created doesnt! |
| 00:37.03 | tetonca | just don't login using gnome |
| 00:37.04 | \amethyst | Canaris_: /nautilus/desktop/*_icon_visible in gconf-editor |
| 00:37.13 | tetonca | then edit .dotfile<foo> |
| 00:37.28 | tetonca | or I should say .<dotfile> |
| 00:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, ah, I think you can just kill nautilus? (well, supposing you don't need/use it) |
| 00:37.41 | amphi | chomwitt: the second is not in the audio group? |
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| 00:37.45 | rideh | chomwitt, omg.... lenny has bad genes.... stop reproduction.. next we might get little people.... o wait. |
| 00:37.47 | themill | chomwitt: adduser username audio |
| 00:37.49 | \amethyst | Canaris_: gtweakui lets you control those settings |
| 00:37.59 | tetonca | oohboontooo uses nautilus if you don't resist the borg |
| 00:38.12 | \amethyst | Canaris_: do you want desktop icons for files in ~/Desktop/, or none at all? |
| 00:38.16 | Canaris_ | \amethyst, you were correct |
| 00:38.21 | chomwitt | one moment . i'll try themill's suggestion |
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| 00:38.53 | Canaris_ | \amethyst, let me just login and out again |
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| 00:39.12 | tetonca | xtdesktop and dfm in DSL accomplish those 'icons' |
| 00:39.13 | chodem | hey trying to install debian on a sun microsystems sun blade 2000, but it cannot detect the fiber channel disks, anyone maybe have experience with this issue? |
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| 00:42.01 | Canaris_ | \amethyst, ok the gconf didnt work, but gtweakui worked great. now all the desktop icons are gone! |
| 00:42.06 | Canaris_ | \amethyst, so thanks! |
| 00:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll miss them! |
| 00:43.10 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, the desktop icons? |
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| 00:46.23 | chomwitt | themill: sound doesnt exist. i did 2 things. i created a sound group and add the two members , and in the users & groups utility i checked a sound box (in the allowed resourses access list). i rebooted and know its ok. although i can be sure what action did the trick.! thanks! |
| 00:46.26 | soulscratch | grep href=\".*pdf |
| 00:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 00:46.56 | soulscratch | grep href=\".*pdf *.* <-- seem off to you? i want to match href="anything.pdf" |
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| 00:47.38 | \amethyst | soulscratch: it will also match href="foo.html" title="not a pdf" |
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| 00:47.57 | argus | Hi |
| 00:47.59 | soulscratch | then \.pdf |
| 00:48.06 | soulscratch | \amethyst: the thing is.. i know how to do this in PCRE |
| 00:48.15 | \amethyst | soulscratch: still href="foo.html" title="not a .pdf" |
| 00:48.15 | soulscratch | perl regex ... but grep just makes it harder |
| 00:48.20 | soulscratch | err |
| 00:48.20 | dvs | href="foo.html" title="not a .pdf" |
| 00:48.23 | soulscratch | \amethyst: i meant to the end |
| 00:48.30 | kingsley__ | While unstable remains frozen, is anyone here starting to use packages from the "experimental" distribution? If so, which packages have to installed from experimental, and how well do they work? |
| 00:48.45 | kingsley__ | s/to /you / |
| 00:48.50 | \amethyst | soulscratch: maybe grep 'href="[^"]*\.pdf".*' ? |
| 00:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | grep 'href="[^"]*pdf"' |
| 00:49.08 | soulscratch | oh, you have single quotes around the pattern |
| 00:49.11 | soulscratch | does that make it any different? |
| 00:49.16 | soulscratch | and how about the -P modifier/argument? |
| 00:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn :) |
| 00:49.24 | cybojanek | When I launch the debian install, it doesnt see my IDE drives. My motherboard (asus p6t) has a seperate IDE controller: marvell 88Se61xx, does anyone know how to solve this? |
| 00:49.24 | \amethyst | soulscratch: that prevents the shell from messing with the pattern |
| 00:49.47 | \amethyst | soulscratch: otherwise you'd need \\. for the dot, for example |
| 00:50.04 | \amethyst | soulscratch: one \ for grep and one for the shell |
| 00:50.19 | soulscratch | Jesus christ |
| 00:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulscratch, #religion |
| 00:50.39 | \amethyst | soulscratch: also it prevents [] and * from being treated as wildcards, but it's not that likely that they'd match |
| 00:50.44 | adb | try #bash |
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| 00:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, they discuss religion? |
| 00:51.20 | \amethyst | soulscratch: you can do PCRE greps with the pcregrep package, btw |
| 00:51.26 | onetinsoldier | cybojanek, do you have sata ports and a sata drive in there at all? |
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| 00:51.49 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: i guess |
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| 00:53.30 | adb | what's wrong ? apt-cache policy|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'|sort -u|tr "n" ,;echo; |
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| 00:53.50 | soulscratch | \amethyst: apparently it works fine in command line but not vim. jesus |
| 00:53.50 | adb | get : le,,y |
| 00:53.55 | soulscratch | i mean, grep in vim |
| 00:54.05 | soulscratch | i guess that means either i typo'd .. or more escaping issues |
| 00:54.05 | cybojanek | onetinsoldier: I do, but I wanted to install debian on an ide drive. It sees the sata drives. |
| 00:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, I also wondered - I get bi,ary |
| 00:54.20 | \amethyst | soulscratch: oh, calling external grep? Yeah, could be more quoting problems |
| 00:54.25 | adb | it's a commande from "dpkg" |
| 00:54.27 | \amethyst | soulscratch: since vim itself has its own quoting |
| 00:54.32 | soulscratch | yeah heh |
| 00:55.02 | onetinsoldier | cybojanek, do you have a sata drive that you can install too on your system. that IDE controller isn't supported until the 2.6.28 kernel comes out. i know, i have the same IDE controller on my mobo, andi have compiled the this kernel to see what would happen --> linux-2.6.28-rc7-git1 |
| 00:55.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, I think the tr "n" , part is not so smart |
| 00:55.38 | cybojanek | onetinsoldier: Oh. I guess ubuntu has a newer kernel then |
| 00:55.45 | cybojanek | onetinsoldier: Becasue it worked on there |
| 00:55.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, whatever that was supposed to do originally... |
| 00:56.04 | cybojanek | onetinsoldier: Thanks |
| 00:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, try apt-cache policy | awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/"); if(n){print r[1];}}' | sort -u |
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| 00:56.51 | onetinsoldier | cybojanek, you're welcome |
| 00:56.59 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: it's right now , thanks you |
| 00:57.13 | adb | correct , i meant |
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| 00:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, I still have my doubts, though |
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| 00:58.52 | adb | maybe , at least here i get "lenny" ... |
| 00:59.53 | onetinsoldier | TiMiDo, are you here? or currently in la-la land? |
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| 01:00.42 | leguin | hon |
| 01:00.47 | leguin | whoops |
| 01:00.58 | adb | !how to remove automatic "Recommends" in apt lenny ? |
| 01:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but ... $1<2000? |
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| 01:02.31 | stoned | ahhhhhh boy |
| 01:02.36 | dondelelcaro | adb: man apt.conf and see the documentation of Install-Recommends |
| 01:03.11 | adb | thanks you dondelelcaro ! |
| 01:03.17 | stoned | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html |
| 01:03.19 | stoned | adb, ^^ |
| 01:03.38 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.43 | stoned | sure |
| 01:03.55 | stoned | I have a crazy dirty bookmarks list |
| 01:04.04 | stoned | I actually should sit down one day and organize my debian bookmarks |
| 01:04.12 | stoned | bleh. |
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| 01:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, haha.. actually /msg dpkg literal tracked suites - the "n" was supposed to be \n |
| 01:04.50 | adb | heh |
| 01:04.59 | stoned | hm |
| 01:05.02 | stoned | !tracked suites |
| 01:05.03 | dpkg | To determine precisely which Debian suites a system tracks, run $ apt-cache policy|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'|sort -u|tr "\n" ,;echo; |
| 01:05.19 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, did you change it? |
| 01:05.26 | stoned | no |
| 01:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh |
| 01:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | works in private messages as well now |
| 01:05.55 | adb | here get "lenny," |
| 01:06.07 | stoned | !factinfo tracked suites |
| 01:06.07 | dpkg | tracked suites -- created by chealer <~chealer@216.144.124.58> at Thu Oct 11 03:27:49 2007 (420 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 36s ago. |
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| 01:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | wasn't changed for 420 days? |
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| 01:06.37 | stoned | hahaha |
| 01:06.38 | jogla | Hello |
| 01:06.39 | stoned | 420 :) |
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| 01:06.47 | stoned | omg this is quotdable |
| 01:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | looked like this, just... perhaps an hour ago: |
| 01:06.51 | jogla | I have ant 1.7 installed on my debian testing system. |
| 01:06.59 | stoned | jogla, go on |
| 01:07.05 | jogla | Now i need 1.6, too. Whats the prefered way of installing it? |
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| 01:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | <dpkg> To determine precisely which Debian suites a system tracks, run $ apt-cache policy|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'|sort -u|tr "n" ,;echo; |
| 01:08.25 | stoned | I've never used ant |
| 01:08.29 | luke3321 | What are your favorite ways to create a deb of a software |
| 01:08.35 | jogla | its a general question |
| 01:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | how could it omit the \ an hour ago and print it correctly now? |
| 01:08.45 | stoned | luke3321, /msg dpkg package basics |
| 01:09.10 | jogla | say, you need firefox 1.0, but debian testing has already 3.0, what would you do? |
| 01:09.10 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't know perhaps someoen fixed it but not I |
| 01:09.10 | luke3321 | stoned: I know how to, just asking what the favorite methods are amoung you guys |
| 01:09.11 | Canaris_ | Does Lenny not come with ntfs drivers installed by standard? in nautilus i can see me ntfs partition, but when I click on it, it just says: "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Storage'" (Storage = my ntfs partition) |
| 01:09.17 | stoned | luke3321, uhm.. not really |
| 01:09.31 | stoned | luke3321, depends on if you are packaging for debian.org or for yoruself |
| 01:09.40 | luke3321 | stoned: for yourself |
| 01:09.44 | stoned | doesn't matter |
| 01:09.58 | stoned | anything is fine, I use unorthodox methods if i uttered here I'd get made fun of |
| 01:10.00 | stoned | so uhm |
| 01:10.10 | amphi | heh |
| 01:10.13 | amphi | prevert |
| 01:10.14 | stoned | suffice it to say, I build the proper way |
| 01:10.14 | stoned | :) |
| 01:10.22 | tetonca | 'the' |
| 01:10.22 | stoned | when packaging for debian |
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| 01:10.28 | stoned | and when for me, doesn't matter |
| 01:10.31 | stoned | hacks, proper way |
| 01:10.36 | luke3321 | haha i know what you mean |
| 01:10.37 | romulo | hi there, i plugged one usb hd here and i wanted to know its device-id, how i retrieve it? |
| 01:10.39 | stoned | whatever needs be done to get the packege made |
| 01:10.50 | romulo | the 8digits hex |
| 01:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, the factoid was not changed... and dpkg didn't quit in between, so it can't be a newer/different infobot |
| 01:11.05 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm lost buddy no idea |
| 01:11.08 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, bug don |
| 01:11.09 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:11.16 | stoned | he is the botmaster |
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| 01:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | bugs don |
| 01:11.55 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, however wierd let me see |
| 01:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just rather strange.... |
| 01:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | "the self-fixing bot" |
| 01:12.14 | stoned | yeh its fine now |
| 01:12.18 | stoned | strange |
| 01:12.19 | Canaris_ | romulo, lsusb |
| 01:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I also noted, that you have to write \\ in factoids for a single backslash |
| 01:12.52 | stoned | yeh, escape em |
| 01:12.58 | stoned | obviously |
| 01:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | not obvious - why should they be special in a factoid... |
| 01:13.13 | Canaris_ | romulo, u got it? |
| 01:13.32 | tetonca | hey 'the' proper way -- have u tried programmer's dvorak keyboard layout? |
| 01:13.37 | romulo | Canaris_, trying |
| 01:13.41 | stoned | because I'm guessing factoid isn't a string literal :) |
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| 01:13.51 | stoned | things need escaping |
| 01:14.00 | romulo | Canaris_, its connected to a usb case so its giving the case id |
| 01:14.01 | stoned | no idea |
| 01:14.02 | romulo | because its a note hd |
| 01:14.03 | stoned | just a guess |
| 01:14.10 | aoeu3 | my sound isn't working. I have a toughbook cf-71 with a Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B card. i have the snd-ymfpci module loaded and alsa-oss installed, but when i type "cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp", i hear nothing. what could be wrong? |
| 01:14.26 | tetonca | (speak of the devil) |
| 01:14.33 | aoeu3 | had much better luck with this card using OSS drivers in linux 2.4 |
| 01:14.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, you mean the database strings swallow it? mmmm..mm.mmmight be |
| 01:14.40 | Canaris_ | romulo, that's all u need for the device id. what do u need it for? |
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| 01:14.57 | amphi | !tell aoeu3 -about alsa checklist |
| 01:15.05 | romulo | Canaris_, to match this hd, not the case |
| 01:15.34 | amphi | romulo: lsusb -v |
| 01:15.45 | stoned | man monodevelop 2 isn't in even experimental |
| 01:15.46 | stoned | dang |
| 01:15.54 | stoned | I want WPF goddamit! |
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| 01:16.00 | stoned | hurry the freak up! |
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| 01:16.10 | Guerin | stoned: package that shit |
| 01:16.19 | stoned | eh, its alpha 2 state atm |
| 01:16.24 | Guerin | NMFP |
| 01:16.28 | Guerin | :) |
| 01:16.29 | stoned | !nmfp |
| 01:16.29 | dpkg | it has been said that nmfp is Not My Fucking Problem |
| 01:16.36 | stoned | you prick! |
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| 01:16.51 | stoned | runs after Guerin with a weed whacker... c'mere I just wanna give you a haircut |
| 01:16.53 | Guerin | has a box with that on it at work |
| 01:16.54 | stoned | c'mere |
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| 01:17.02 | stoned | Guerin, you do C# .NET stuff? |
| 01:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, no, I think it's just a bug - "test is \n" --> replies n "test is \\n" -> replies \n "test is \\\n" replies \\n - that looks like someone is removing on \ via regexp or so (probably planned to not allow them, but didnt do s/\\//g) |
| 01:17.07 | stoned | cool I had no idea |
| 01:17.19 | Guerin | stoned: shit no, I can't code worth a damn |
| 01:17.26 | stoned | heh |
| 01:17.27 | stoned | oh |
| 01:17.30 | Guerin | i'm a political scientist, not a computer geek |
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| 01:17.34 | stoned | haha word |
| 01:17.48 | Guerin | i care about free software because of its social, legal and political-economic implications |
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| 01:17.58 | stoned | but yeh, winforms is going out, and new stuff in c# and .neT 3.5 is WPF win presentation forms |
| 01:18.17 | stoned | thats what I want and monodevelop only features gtk# and qt# and win forms |
| 01:18.20 | amphi | stoned: that's disgusting talk |
| 01:18.22 | Guerin | stoned: on, and by the way: http://feayn.org/~lewis/baby-1000.jpg |
| 01:18.28 | stoned | whoah |
| 01:18.29 | stoned | had it |
| 01:18.36 | Canaris_ | Does Lenny not come with ntfs drivers installed by standard? in nautilus i can see me ntfs partition, but when I click on it, it just says: "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Storage'" (Storage = my ntfs partition) |
| 01:18.37 | stoned | awww |
| 01:18.37 | Guerin | sure 'nuff |
| 01:18.45 | stoned | congratulations brother |
| 01:18.50 | stoned | I'm very happy for you |
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| 01:19.06 | romulo | lsusb -v did no good :/ |
| 01:19.10 | Guerin | it's the most righteous thing ever to have a wee nipper whose hair is the same colour as mine |
| 01:19.16 | stoned | ahahah |
| 01:19.17 | stoned | :) |
| 01:19.20 | romulo | because the hd is listed as mass storage |
| 01:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 01:19.57 | lem0n | hmm, how might i go by doing extended partition with the debian installer? |
| 01:20.10 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i already tried that, but didn't work with that either. ntfs-3g just enables you to write onto a ntfs partition, doesn't it? |
| 01:20.27 | stoned | manually modify partitions |
| 01:20.28 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, afaik linux supports reading of ntfs partitions even without ntfs-3g |
| 01:20.33 | stoned | !partman |
| 01:20.36 | stoned | dangit |
| 01:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, yes, without it you only get read-only access |
| 01:20.42 | stoned | !tell lem0n -about ig |
| 01:20.53 | stoned | I believe you want chapter 3 |
| 01:21.00 | stoned | or 4 |
| 01:21.06 | stoned | I think it should be 3 |
| 01:21.12 | stoned | but it could also be 4 |
| 01:21.17 | stoned | ... |
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| 01:21.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, if that's all you want... well "click on it" is really not informative - become root and mount it with mount |
| 01:21.36 | romulo | Canaris_, how i get the device id of a local hd? i will boot the other hd + a live |
| 01:21.40 | adb | !vfatrw |
| 01:21.40 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 01:21.48 | stoned | adb, /msg dpkg |
| 01:22.00 | stoned | adb, /msg dpkg dpkg.web.search, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 01:22.01 | stoned | :) |
| 01:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh... trying to build up the expectations? |
| 01:22.21 | adb | Canaris_:^^^ |
| 01:22.55 | stoned | uhm |
| 01:23.01 | stoned | he wants ntfs ro |
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| 01:23.06 | stoned | !ntfs-ro |
| 01:23.10 | stoned | godadmit |
| 01:23.13 | stoned | !listkeys ntfs |
| 01:23.13 | Canaris_ | let me try |
| 01:23.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 35): #debian ntfsrw ;; #debian read-ntfs ;; #debian user accessible ntfs ;; #debian-bots ro-ntfs ;; _default ntfs resize ;; _default ntfsro ;; _default ro-ntfs ;; ntfs resizing ;; ntfs rw ;; ntfs-3g ;; ntfs-faq ;; ntfs3g ;; ntfsrw ;; read-ntfs ;; user accessible ntfs. |
| 01:23.22 | stoned | !ntfsro |
| 01:23.22 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 01:23.37 | d-b | stoned: please query / msg dpkg. |
| 01:23.49 | stoned | if yo ugo to dpkg.vireo.org and enter the term you will see all the factoids containg that term |
| 01:23.53 | stoned | its a lot easier to browse |
| 01:23.56 | stoned | d-b, sure. |
| 01:24.59 | Canaris_ | ok I put the correct data into /etc/fstab and when i try "mount /dev/sdb1" it is successfully mounted. Yet when I try to access it as a normal user via nautlius it says i don't have the correct permissions. Do I need to change the permissions to /media/Storage (chomd 644 i guess) or change settings in /etc/fstab? (even though I used 'user' cause i thouht this would enable users to acces that partition |
| 01:25.25 | Sebboh | hello. My fonts are too small! For example, in the display manager's password box (the display manager is slim) and in xterms. And on menus. Everywhere. My screen has a DPI of 200 (really. It's an OLPC XO-1.) and I set my DPI to that, but the font size didn't change at all. What do I do? |
| 01:25.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders how many useless factoids there are |
| 01:25.37 | stoned | Guerin, could you kindly come to #debian-chat for a bit |
| 01:25.45 | stoned | thanks |
| 01:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, no, you need to use the "user" option |
| 01:26.05 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, thats what i did |
| 01:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so you say it's successfully mounted with "mount /dev/sdb1" as a user? |
| 01:26.33 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, thats my fstab line: /dev/sdb1/media/Storage ntfsuser00 |
| 01:26.37 | stoned | Sebboh, uhm... strange |
| 01:26.45 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, no i mounted it as root (well as SU) |
| 01:26.55 | stoned | Sebboh, are you manually starting with like startx -- -dpi 100 |
| 01:26.57 | stoned | etc.? |
| 01:27.14 | stoned | is your dpi taking effect? how are you specifying a custom dpi? |
| 01:27.22 | stoned | Sebboh, ^ |
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| 01:27.47 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, now i tried mounting the partition as a normal user and it worked. |
| 01:27.53 | stoned | have you looked into the log file to see if you are taking effect on that new dpi? |
| 01:28.06 | Canaris_ | but when i try to acces it via nautilus - as a normal user - it still says i dont have the necessary permissions |
| 01:28.18 | Canaris_ | do i need to chmod or umask the folder i mounted it to? |
| 01:28.23 | stoned | Canaris_, you need to have permissions on your mount point |
| 01:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, well, then it's gnome that does something weird... |
| 01:28.36 | stoned | do you have perms to access that mount point before you mounted the ntfs disk? |
| 01:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks gnome doing strange stuff is just to be expected |
| 01:28.45 | stoned | its not gnome |
| 01:28.48 | stoned | its a permission issue |
| 01:28.50 | d-b | what is then ? |
| 01:28.58 | Canaris_ | stoned, i mounted the mountpoint chmod 644 |
| 01:29.04 | Canaris_ | stoned, shouldn't that doit? |
| 01:29.08 | stoned | yup |
| 01:29.14 | stoned | well |
| 01:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, it's not really, if he can mount it with mount... |
| 01:29.30 | stoned | 644 on a mount point, user can acces, group/other can't |
| 01:29.31 | stoned | ok |
| 01:29.38 | stoned | they have rad only yeh 644 should work |
| 01:29.46 | Sebboh | stoned, I'm editing /etc/slim.conf to set the dpi. (slim executes X for me..) And when I run xdpyinfo, I see a dpi of 201x201. (I specified 200, actually..) |
| 01:29.57 | aoeu3 | why can't setmixer and alsa-base be installed at the same time? |
| 01:29.58 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, mount can only be used by root so it doesn't matter root can always use the mount point |
| 01:30.13 | stoned | Sebboh, oh I dunno bout that man, sorry |
| 01:30.20 | stoned | never used slim |
| 01:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 64112 Apr 28 2008 /bin/mount |
| 01:30.32 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, not mount program |
| 01:30.34 | stoned | mount point! |
| 01:30.43 | Canaris_ | yes, if i am root i can see the mount point's(well partitions) content |
| 01:30.55 | Canaris_ | when i am a normal user it says i dont have the necessary permissions |
| 01:30.56 | stoned | if a root mounts to /blah and user can't even access blah then doesn' tmatter whats mnounted there user will never access it |
| 01:31.04 | stoned | Canaris_, show me your mount command please |
| 01:31.06 | aoeu3 | how can i force dpkg to not uninstall alsa-base when i try to install setmixer? i don't see how they'd conflict. |
| 01:31.09 | Canaris_ | even though i used the "user" attribute in fstab and chmodded the mountpoint with 644 |
| 01:31.15 | Canaris_ | mount /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | the permissions of the mount point shouldn't matter at all - they get replaced by the mounted directories permissions on mount |
| 01:31.24 | \amethyst | chmodding the mountpoint doesn't do anything |
| 01:31.34 | Canaris_ | /dev/sdb1/media/Storage ntfsuser00 thats my /etc/fstab |
| 01:31.35 | stoned | before hand it does |
| 01:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, thanks, voice of reason! |
| 01:31.36 | stoned | yes |
| 01:31.40 | stoned | /dev/sdb1 /home/stoned/Windows ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0 |
| 01:31.43 | stoned | try something like this |
| 01:31.46 | stoned | dev/sdb1 /home/stoned/Windows ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0 |
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| 01:31.58 | Canaris_ | alright let me try |
| 01:32.03 | stoned | just a 'user' wont' do anything |
| 01:32.03 | Xsss4hell | hi |
| 01:32.06 | stoned | you have to give it correct perms |
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| 01:32.16 | Xsss4hell | I installed debian lenny netinstall |
| 01:32.18 | stoned | gid 24 is cdrom |
| 01:32.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, WHAT exactly is it that doesn't work |
| 01:32.22 | stoned | uid is your user's uid |
| 01:32.29 | stoned | mine is 1000 you should add your own uid |
| 01:32.37 | stoned | cat /etc/passwd|grep yourusername |
| 01:32.38 | Xsss4hell | in the hope having oo3.0 and gnome2.24 |
| 01:32.44 | Xsss4hell | etc. |
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| 01:33.05 | stoned | and set the file/dir mask as needed |
| 01:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives up |
| 01:33.13 | stoned | or you can default to 333 /222 and without a problm |
| 01:33.18 | Xsss4hell | howto get recent software on debian? |
| 01:33.19 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, after I mounted the partition and i want to check out if it worked, for example 'cd /media/Storage' leads to ... no permission |
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| 01:33.34 | stoned | Canaris_, seriously, just a fucking 'user' in your mount options won't do shit. |
| 01:33.38 | Xsss4hell | gnome,pulseaudio etc |
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| 01:34.08 | d-b | Xsss4hell: compile / backport |
| 01:34.22 | stoned | Canaris_, umount /dev/whatever, and then modify your mount optins in etc/fstab and mount -a again |
| 01:34.54 | onetinsoldier | aoeu3, did you get an answer yet? |
| 01:34.58 | stoned | Canaris_, or try this mount -t ntfs -o ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 /dev/blah /mountpoint |
| 01:35.11 | Xsss4hell | d-b I don`t want to compile everything myself dude, otherwise I'd install gentoo. compiling webkit..is ok, but something like gnome is insane |
| 01:35.12 | stoned | replace the uid=1000 with your own user's uid |
| 01:35.18 | aoeu3 | onetinsoldier, no |
| 01:35.21 | Canaris_ | stoned, now it works!! |
| 01:35.25 | stoned | of course it does. |
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| 01:35.30 | stoned | thank you for listening to me |
| 01:35.34 | stoned | and saving your own time. |
| 01:35.35 | Canaris_ | stoned, i added all that stuff you told me and now it work. |
| 01:35.40 | d-b | Xsss4hell: well what version do you want ? try looking in debian experimental / sid |
| 01:35.46 | stoned | of course, it was a permission issue |
| 01:35.50 | Xsss4hell | d-b I have lenny |
| 01:35.53 | stoned | has nothing to do with nautilus |
| 01:35.56 | Canaris_ | stoned, i really wonder what attribute made it work. |
| 01:36.04 | stoned | Canaris_, gid/uid |
| 01:36.11 | stoned | gid belongs to the cdrom group |
| 01:36.15 | onetinsoldier | aoeu3, you should be able to do it with this command, from the dpkg man page. dpkg --force-conflicts -i <package> |
| 01:36.17 | stoned | uid belongs to your sepcific user |
| 01:36.18 | d-b | Xsss4hell: lenny is going stable soon and has had its packages frozen don't expect any new packages to enter it. |
| 01:36.28 | Canaris_ | stoned, but shouldn "user" override that?! |
| 01:36.32 | stoned | no |
| 01:36.35 | stoned | man mount |
| 01:36.50 | stoned | enjoy |
| 01:36.54 | d-b | after it goes stable, you could track the new testing buzz (i Think it is called) for newer software. |
| 01:36.54 | dustybin | what are EPOS systems? |
| 01:37.05 | Xsss4hell | d-b: ok, but howto enable backports then? there is no option in software-sources |
| 01:37.13 | d-b | there are no backports atm. |
| 01:37.24 | Canaris_ | stoned what is gid anyhow? |
| 01:37.24 | Xsss4hell | :( |
| 01:37.25 | d-b | dpck tell Xsss4hell about backports |
| 01:37.31 | stoned | group id |
| 01:37.32 | d-b | dpkg tell Xsss4hell about backports |
| 01:37.39 | onetinsoldier | gid = group id |
| 01:37.47 | onetinsoldier | stoned, you beat me.. hehe |
| 01:37.52 | Canaris_ | stoned, but my user isnt a member of this group? |
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| 01:38.05 | Canaris_ | stoned, or am i misunderstanding something here? |
| 01:38.09 | aoeu3 | onetinsoldier, thanks, that worked. |
| 01:38.22 | stoned | $>cat /etc/group|grep 24 |
| 01:38.22 | stoned | cdrom:x:24:stoned |
| 01:38.23 | stoned | no |
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| 01:38.27 | stoned | you are already a membr of cdrom |
| 01:38.30 | onetinsoldier | aoeu3, you're welcome man |
| 01:38.35 | Xsss4hell | d-b: I know what backports are, but you say there ain't no compatible ones for lenny.. right? |
| 01:38.38 | stoned | I just had yo uset y our ntfs ro drive as cdrom group |
| 01:38.43 | stoned | so your permissios don't cuase shit |
| 01:38.47 | d-b | Xsss4hell: that is correct atm. |
| 01:38.48 | Canaris_ | stoned, ah you're right iam also |
| 01:38.51 | stoned | and then on top pof that to make sure you access it |
| 01:39.01 | stoned | we give it a uid of your user |
| 01:39.09 | d-b | there is however, a kde4 backport done by the kde community i believe. |
| 01:39.18 | Xsss4hell | d-b I hope ntfs and zfs support gets integrated into lenny |
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| 01:39.36 | Xsss4hell | I have to remove debian |
| 01:39.38 | Canaris_ | i can see why the uid=1000 made sense, but having to be in the cdrom group in order to access ntfs partitions seems a bit hard to understand for me |
| 01:39.53 | stoned | you don't have to be |
| 01:39.55 | d-b | ntfs is - install ntfs-3g its user level and zfs i don't think is suported in the linux kernel yet. perhaps kfreebsd debian will support it. |
| 01:40.01 | stoned | but its cooler beucase you are treating your ntfs like a cdrom |
| 01:40.05 | stoned | because you don't write to it |
| 01:40.07 | stoned | only read from it |
| 01:40.15 | stoned | so cdrom group seems ok to use |
| 01:40.18 | stoned | as long as it works |
| 01:40.25 | stoned | dont' worrya bout how, just worry about that it works :) |
| 01:40.26 | Canaris_ | stoned, oh ok, so if I'd take out the gid=24 it would still work? |
| 01:40.32 | Xsss4hell | I cannot live with a windows workgroups like file manager -> (nautilus) |
| 01:40.40 | stoned | as we say to our jr. programmers... try it out and see. :) |
| 01:40.48 | stoned | find out for yourself |
| 01:40.58 | Canaris_ | stoned, i am gonna try every single option :) |
| 01:41.00 | d-b | Xsss4hell: try konqueror ? |
| 01:41.08 | stoned | you don't need to do every single option |
| 01:41.20 | Xsss4hell | d-b I dislike kde |
| 01:41.26 | Canaris_ | stoned, god i HATE not understanding what's going on "in the background" |
| 01:41.32 | Xsss4hell | prefering gnome. |
| 01:41.32 | stoned | Canaris_, I like you already |
| 01:41.38 | onetinsoldier | d-b, is someone using kde4? i was thinking of installing it to check it out |
| 01:41.43 | stoned | Canaris_, you are one of the people who will go far in the world of linux |
| 01:42.00 | d-b | onetinsoldier: there is a livecd somewhere, i suggest you try that out first. |
| 01:42.01 | stoned | keep that attitude and you'll be successful always |
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| 01:42.13 | d-b | stoned: mmm background noise. |
| 01:42.18 | onetinsoldier | d-b, nah.. i 'install' stuff. :-) |
| 01:42.19 | Xsss4hell | stoned KDE4 Looks intuitive and stylish, but the first point is wrong. |
| 01:42.28 | Canaris_ | stoned, thanks. feels like it's gonna take a while :) |
| 01:42.37 | stoned | you can't learn everything in one day |
| 01:42.41 | stoned | so don't try to |
| 01:42.52 | Xsss4hell | I think I'll stick wid ma freebsd.. |
| 01:43.00 | stoned | Xsss4hell, good luck with it. |
| 01:43.01 | d-b | http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 01:43.09 | stoned | there is a bsd port debian |
| 01:43.13 | stoned | if you want to use yor kernel |
| 01:43.15 | stoned | :) |
| 01:43.48 | Xsss4hell | stoned: thx, but I take things as is, if they work |
| 01:43.52 | d-b | stoned: yeah but its not official (for most archs) |
| 01:43.53 | stoned | I still use kde3.5.9 and I love it |
| 01:43.58 | stoned | d-b, hopefully soon :) |
| 01:43.59 | Xsss4hell | no gentoo/debian etc. port |
| 01:44.04 | onetinsoldier | going there now d-b... i already read how to install it from the www.kde.or website, but i imagine it the debian website will be of interest to me |
| 01:44.28 | stoned | you want kde3 |
| 01:44.30 | stoned | not kde4 |
| 01:44.32 | dansushi | how do i change the amount of space automatically taken up on an ext3 partition when it's first formatted? i'm blanking on the command. |
| 01:44.34 | stoned | take my word for it :) |
| 01:44.48 | Xsss4hell | stoned: I`m not fan of it, maybe because I like it looking simple, because life is already hard enough |
| 01:44.49 | stoned | man mkfs.ext3? |
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| 01:45.04 | tengulre | I have a text file like 'ddddFBBBBCDDDD' ,I want to get string BBBB , how to do? |
| 01:45.12 | stoned | you want reserved blocks percentage? |
| 01:45.15 | stoned | or what? |
| 01:45.18 | d-b | dansushi: do you mean the reserve space ? |
| 01:45.24 | Xsss4hell | stoned: but everybody has another fav. window manager/desktop etc. |
| 01:45.27 | stoned | -m reserved-blocks-percentage |
| 01:45.33 | stoned | i think thats what you're asking is it? |
| 01:45.35 | stoned | for ext3? |
| 01:46.37 | stoned | Xsss4hell, to each thier own yes. |
| 01:46.40 | Tramp | dansushi: and please don't crosspost |
| 01:46.52 | d-b | tengulre: .... mmm grep ? / awk.... or program ^^ |
| 01:47.12 | dansushi | i usually try just linux and my distro, debian |
| 01:47.29 | stoned | Lady and the Tramp |
| 01:47.33 | stoned | haha :) |
| 01:47.41 | stoned | filthy tramp! whore! |
| 01:47.47 | stoned | heh j/k im bored now |
| 01:47.55 | Xsss4hell | does somebody know an alternative to openldap? seems to me as if the programmers made configuration extra hard to have something to do, after coding the shiznit |
| 01:48.11 | Sebboh | tengulre: it depends on whether your want the 6th character to the 10th character.. or if you want only B's, or what. |
| 01:48.17 | dondelelcaro | Xsss4hell: it's configuration is pretty trivial, actually |
| 01:48.28 | Canaris_ | stoned, i figured it out. the minimal fstab config to get it to work is: .... user,auto,dmask=0222... (well the auto is not necessary, but....) |
| 01:48.30 | d-b | Xsss4hell: not really no. |
| 01:48.38 | Xsss4hell | dondelelcaro they have radical changes between version. the latest version doesn`t even support slapd.conf, so :P |
| 01:48.40 | stoned | Canaris_, I see |
| 01:48.40 | Canaris_ | stoned, is dmask = umask ? |
| 01:49.07 | Canaris_ | theres no manual entry for dmask |
| 01:49.31 | Xsss4hell | dondelelcaro: and there is no documentation on howto set it up without slapd.conf, just some blogs telling it is very hard. |
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| 01:50.40 | Canaris_ | nevermind, just found it |
| 01:50.49 | d-b | Xsss4hell: if it is not documented sufficiently don't use it. |
| 01:50.50 | stoned | :) |
| 01:51.06 | d-b | it will just likely result in security problems later on / other problems. |
| 01:51.13 | tengulre | Sebboh: I want got a 'startpattern, endpattern' in txt file |
| 01:51.16 | Xsss4hell | can somebody confirm? forbidden > http://fedora.org/ |
| 01:51.30 | stoned | alright guys if you need me hilight me I gotta go finish up this .NET application before next week |
| 01:51.33 | stoned | ugh. |
| 01:51.34 | stoned | *out* |
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| 01:51.51 | linux2 | Hi, |
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| 01:52.07 | Xsss4hell | oh lol it was http://fedoraproject.org/ not fedora.org |
| 01:52.09 | linux2 | I am trying to setup an old dell laptop but its sound won't work |
| 01:52.21 | linux2 | I have tried running alsaconf but it throws this error: |
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| 01:53.13 | Sebboh | Hey! Hey debian package maintainers! YOU SUCK. :/ vlc dependency chain includes samba client. Bah. I'm throwing CDs out the window right now to spite someone I've never met. =P |
| 01:53.26 | linux2 | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
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| 01:53.28 | linux2 | any ideas? |
| 01:53.32 | linux2 | I am using debian testing |
| 01:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, do you know if some script ran on dpkgs database today? a factoid didn't show a backslash in a shell line... but suddenly did an hour or so later |
| 01:53.41 | linux2 | just updated it. Don't know if that has anything to do with it |
| 01:53.46 | d-b | Sebboh: perhaps that is a vlc dep. |
| 01:53.59 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, there's nothing like that |
| 01:54.06 | d-b | if you don't like it compile from source. |
| 01:54.13 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: someone probably fixed it; there are some bugs in indicating who has munged factoids |
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| 01:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, oh... well, factinfo said it wasn't touched since creation 420 days ago |
| 01:54.46 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: it's probably lying |
| 01:54.49 | d-b | Sebboh: if you are on lenny turn of apt recommends |
| 01:54.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, liar, liar! |
| 01:54.54 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 01:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, are you talking about the package "vlc"? |
| 01:56.12 | Sebboh | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, it depends on vlc-nox, which depends on libsmbclient or whatever it's called. |
| 01:56.45 | Sebboh | libcmbclient depends on winbind crap.. etc, on down the line. Might as well install samba. |
| 01:57.15 | Sebboh | d-b oh, yeah, recommends is off. It's a hard depend. |
| 01:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, well, make a dummy package that provides libsmbclient and see if/when you run into trouble |
| 01:57.41 | Maveas | How to set up a MX record at DynDNS? |
| 01:57.51 | d-b | mmm are you sure ? i don't remember that. meh. |
| 01:58.07 | linux2 | any ideas? |
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| 01:59.35 | Canaris_ | why does vlc need libsmbclient? |
| 01:59.37 | Sebboh | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/vlc ; http://packages.debian.org/lenny/vlc-nox ; http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libsmbclient |
| 01:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, and actually libsmbclient only depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) ... what of this is "winbind crap"? |
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| 02:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, seems to me it doesn't |
| 02:01.02 | Sebboh | libwbclient0 |
| 02:01.49 | Sebboh | oh, snap. I'm looking at the wrong architecture! ;D |
| 02:02.03 | Sebboh | I don't have ia64. :) |
| 02:02.36 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, true. I just tried it on lenny x64, no libsmbclient dependency here |
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| 02:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, well, file a bug report |
| 02:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, no, there is - vlc-nox depends on it |
| 02:03.41 | Canaris_ | CutMeOwnThroat, oh alright. still odd |
| 02:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, it just doesn't *need* it - the binaries are not using /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0 |
| 02:04.53 | d-b | Sebboh: report bug ? |
| 02:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, also, if you feel so strongly about it, get the source package, edit dependencies and build your own |
| 02:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 02:06.12 | Canaris_ | has anyone ever tried Bluefish (editor) and if so, were you pleased with it? |
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| 02:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, tried it... 10 years ago |
| 02:06.36 | d-b | Canaris_: it is ok. |
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| 02:06.45 | onetinsoldier | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.6.h-4+lenny2/changelog --> + Activated SMB client support. |
| 02:06.54 | Sebboh | the vlc-vox has a bunch of questionable dependencies, actually.. Isn't DVD support usually supplied separately for this kinda thing? .. And, I haven't found it yet.. but.. maybe somebody else has already seen this.. When I do apt-get install vlc.. libcups2 is on the list to be installed. CUPS? Oh, come on. :P |
| 02:06.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Canaris_, trying it is just one apt-get install away, though |
| 02:07.14 | Canaris_ | d-b, do you know of anything better? I will mainly use it for html/css and python |
| 02:07.26 | Sebboh | onetinsoldier: ah, neat. thanks. |
| 02:07.32 | onetinsoldier | i guess you can now listen/view a movie or whatever over smb? |
| 02:07.53 | onetinsoldier | i dunno.. it does have a lot of depends |
| 02:08.23 | d-b | komposer is also ok. |
| 02:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, dpkg -L vlc-nox |grep bin | xargs -i ldd '{}' |sort -u |
| 02:08.32 | d-b | etc. |
| 02:08.57 | Sebboh | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, it's not installed. |
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| 02:09.10 | Maveas | How does the MX record work? I've installed debian on a VM and using external network so the VM got an internal IP in the same range as my HOST - but how do the mail server installation know that this server is the one recording to the MX record? :S |
| 02:11.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, use a little bit of imagination, then and do apt-file list vlc-nox |awk /bin/'{print $2}' | xargs -i ldd '{}' |sort -u |
| 02:11.23 | d-b | Maveas: your ns will server the mx / a / foo records for you. |
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| 02:12.20 | onetinsoldier | Sebboh, i searched on that page for libsmbclient. that change was made back in Sept. of 2005. so, it's had that dependency ever since that spt of 2005? |
| 02:12.29 | Sebboh | Maveas: for you to receive mail from the outside, you need your MX records to point at real internet IP addresses. ..You also need a lot of other things, but that's the first. |
| 02:12.37 | onetinsoldier | s/spt/Sept |
| 02:13.10 | Sebboh | onetinsoldier: hell, I dunno, for years, most of my linux machines had samba installed by choice. :D |
| 02:13.14 | Sebboh | But I got over it. |
| 02:13.28 | onetinsoldier | Sebboh, i hear ya |
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| 02:14.02 | Sebboh | CutMeOwnThroat: actually I've never used apt-file so I don't know what it outputs.. Something's wrong with it. It complains that it can't download package files. |
| 02:14.06 | d-b | mmm i would be ok with samba if samba 4 was in production etc. |
| 02:14.18 | itchi | Hi, does anyone know of an CD burn application that automatically convert mp3 files to wav to burn this on a CD. K3b seems not able to do this on the fly |
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| 02:14.59 | adb | Sebboh: anyways vlc dont install samba , on lenny at least |
| 02:16.05 | onetinsoldier | Sebboh, this happens when you do apt-file update? |
| 02:16.14 | metaperl | I am on Debian/stable and I need to configure tomcat5.5 ... I typed dpkg --configure tomcat5.5 but it wont configure ... i'm getting post-installation script error but dont know how to track it down - http://pastebin.ca/1276122 |
| 02:16.23 | Sebboh | Speaking of samba.. Let's say I have debian box 1 and debian box 2 and I want to share some files. Ok, what are my options? Samba: does weird things I don't expect, data from other machines is received, scares me. NFS, crashes my whole house when I reboot. .. sshFS/fish, well.. I guess, if I had a null cipher. Requires a persistant connection.. Anything else out there? |
| 02:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, I thought k3b can do it...actually, I thought I did exactly this with k3b once or twice |
| 02:17.51 | d-b | Sebboh: nfs -> mount in soft mode |
| 02:18.03 | Sebboh | metaperl: the config script failed because one of the steps was to start tomcat, and THAT failed.. That could be anything.. check the tomcat logs. Could be 8080 is in use, could be you don't have java, etc. |
| 02:18.14 | onetinsoldier | Sebboh, ftp? |
| 02:18.21 | metaperl | i see |
| 02:18.34 | metaperl | yes, I probably dont have java, but why didnt it know that via dependencies? |
| 02:18.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, seems ok - "burn audio CD" put mp3s into it ... as it's not unusual, you'll have to tell what the problem is |
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| 02:19.05 | d-b | Sebboh: there is also ftp / avahi based ftp etc. (see the giver) |
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| 02:20.00 | Sebboh | metaperl: heh. uho, you got gnued! Unless you really know what you're doing, don't use the gnu java. If you're a j2ee developer, you probably want sun java. fortunately, apt-get install sun-java-jdk6 .. or something like that. apt-cache search sun jdk |
| 02:20.03 | d-b | http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/giver |
| 02:20.03 | itchi | CutMeOwnThroat: I might be missing some packages i guess then. Yeah, i thought i did this several times with k3b too, or was it another burn tool, not sure |
| 02:20.21 | metaperl | Sebboh: ok thanks |
| 02:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, tell us what goes wrong... any errors on the console it was started from, messages? |
| 02:21.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, mind, I didn't really burn a CD just now, just started the steps to create a burnable image |
| 02:22.14 | itchi | CutMeOwnThroat: It's there that it fails with the error: Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format; You may manually convert these audio files to wave using another application ... |
| 02:22.28 | crn | where is the "firmware directory" for drivers? |
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| 02:24.21 | metaperl | yes sun jdk was the things |
| 02:24.25 | metaperl | THANK YOU! |
| 02:24.30 | itchi | CutMeOwnThroat: Well tested on another box, got the same issue, i can't believe this :-( |
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| 02:24.51 | itchi | ah shit man, i kinda drunke after 3 vodka-fantas :-p |
| 02:24.59 | Sebboh | no problem, metaperl. :) |
| 02:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, k3blibs? |
| 02:25.29 | Sebboh | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 02:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, can't be I I haven't got that installed |
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| 02:26.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | got k3b-data, though |
| 02:26.27 | itchi | CutMeOwnThroat: Seems not available anymore |
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| 02:26.47 | PinkFreud | vodka-fanta? My god, man, you need help. |
| 02:26.52 | PinkFreud | ducks |
| 02:27.00 | onetinsoldier | hic |
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| 02:28.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, awwww |
| 02:28.23 | itchi | CutMeOwnThroat: Transcode installed there? |
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| 02:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, I did (strace -f -F -e open k3b 2>&1 |grep lib.*so |grep -v ENO ) >k3blibs 2>&1 |
| 02:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ wc -l k3blibs ----> 848 k3blibs |
| 02:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, removing the pids helps |
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| 02:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, those are the libs it's loading for me http://pastebin.com/f731a45c8 |
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| 02:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, you can make a similar list with (strace -f -F -e open k3b 2>&1 |grep lib.*so |grep -v ENO ) 2>&1 sed 's/.* open."//;s/".*//' |sort -u |
| 02:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, then use apt-file to see what's missing |
| 02:32.04 | itchi | hold on, looking into this |
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| 02:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, this is on lenny, btw |
| 02:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it won't do you so much good on etch, I fear |
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| 02:34.09 | itchi | CutMeOwnThroat: No worry, Lenny here too |
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| 02:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, libasound should be a good candidate, though - ... hold on - check the "Suggests" |
| 02:35.14 | crn | what kernel does lenny use? |
| 02:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, toolame and/or sox |
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| 02:36.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | sox, that is - toolame is for encoding |
| 02:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, so... apt-get install sox |
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| 02:36.18 | adb | judd: versions kernel |
| 02:36.19 | judd | adb: kernel -- |
| 02:36.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal adb |
| 02:36.27 | dpkg | points at adb and laughs |
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| 02:36.43 | Maveas | The mail server port 25 is that tcp or udp or both? |
| 02:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( another reason to msg the bot ) |
| 02:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maveas, tcp |
| 02:37.08 | Maveas | Thanks |
| 02:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maveas, services lists both, though, I think |
| 02:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it doesn't... that were others like ssh or so where I wondered why both are listed |
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| 02:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maveas, you find all of them in /etc/services only rather often tcp and udp is assigned |
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| 02:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, and they're called something like linux-image-$(uname -r) for i386 |
| 02:39.46 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, is there a way to suppress the dpkg-configure messages after installing some pieces of software? So I can configure them later. |
| 02:40.27 | adb | judd: versions linux-image |
| 02:40.28 | judd | adb: linux-image -- |
| 02:40.38 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.51 | metaperl | when starting up tomcat5.5 on debian/stable, I am told : could not open /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/jre/lib/i386/jvm.cfg ... how can I fix this? |
| 02:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 02:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, do apt-cache show linux-image-$(uname -r) |grep Version |
| 02:41.29 | ArtVandalae | metaperl, does the file exist? |
| 02:41.42 | itchi | CutMeOwnThroat: Still don't get it, i guess somethings is broke as if you read the k3b description details there's noted: It can be used to copy CDs and burn: - audio CDs (from wav, mp3 or ogg vorbis files) ... |
| 02:41.46 | ArtVandalae | metaperl, if it does, then ensure you have the correct permissions on the file |
| 02:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, did you install sox? |
| 02:42.11 | itchi | CutMeOwnThroat: Was installed, lame too |
| 02:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | metaperl, sun-java5-bin installed? |
| 02:44.01 | metaperl | ArtVandalae: yes it is there - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 689 Oct 5 2007 jvm.cfg |
| 02:44.49 | metaperl | i'm running startup.sh as root, so those perms should be fine.... |
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| 02:45.18 | metaperl | CutMeOwnThroat: yes that was already installed |
| 02:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 02:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | metaperl, can you read the file as a normal user? |
| 02:46.06 | metaperl | CutMeOwnThroat: yes I can... and the perms would allow that |
| 02:46.21 | onetinsoldier | ArtVandalae, i think you will want to install the debconf-doc package, then man 7 debconf ,and have a look at /etc/debconf.conf |
| 02:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | metaperl, not if you're not allowed to change into the directory because one of the higher-up ones don't allow it |
| 02:46.58 | metaperl | ok but startup.sh (to start tomcat), I ran it via sudo ... |
| 02:47.06 | metaperl | so I dont know why normal person reading it matters |
| 02:47.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArtVandalae, there's apt-get -y or apt-get --trivial-only ... but see the manpage as to what that does |
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| 02:49.32 | octox2 | when bonnie++ says K/sec, it means K Bytes right? |
| 02:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | metaperl, hm, it's lying? :) perhaps strace it... try something like strace -f -F -e open ./startup.sh (why do you have to use starup.sh anyways) |
| 02:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and who on earth uses sudo |
| 02:51.34 | metaperl | CutMeOwnThroat: /usr/doc/tomcat5.5 says that |
| 02:51.41 | metaperl | CutMeOwnThroat: what should I use other than sudo |
| 02:51.45 | Sebboh | Is it expecting too much for a key server to have a reverse dns that matches the forward dns I was given? Can somebody tell me the right IP for keys.gnupg.net ? |
| 02:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always just use su and do the stuff I need to do as root (which is normally more than a single command) |
| 02:52.16 | Sebboh | oh, haha, it's a round robin. =P |
| 02:52.21 | Sebboh | forget my comment. |
| 02:52.26 | jpinx | always uses sudo |
| 02:52.29 | Sebboh | slash question. |
| 02:52.55 | metaperl | why would running this script - http://pastebin.ca/1276545 - lead to the error - JAVA_HOME is not defined? |
| 02:52.55 | octox2 | dude, my flash drive blows away my mirrored raptor for sequential and random create |
| 02:53.18 | Sebboh | I always use sudo -s .. or su - if I don't have sudo. Simple su with no arguments results in a confused evironment. |
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| 02:53.49 | Sebboh | octox2: Dude! wow totally cool man hey disable your cache. ;P |
| 02:54.09 | metaperl | how would you run that script I posted... maybe sudo ./script and remove sudo from inside the script? |
| 02:54.17 | metaperl | . ./script |
| 02:54.18 | metaperl | ? |
| 02:54.31 | octox2 | Sebboh: how do i disable it ? lol |
| 02:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | awww why on earth does gdm depend on gksu |
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| 02:55.18 | metaperl | ah 'sudo bash' worked |
| 02:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, ha, start being with you on sucky depenencies |
| 02:56.05 | Sebboh | octox2: I dunno, actually. But I do think that's the only reason a flash drive would come up faster than a hdd. I noticed just today that I could copy 300mb to my flashdrive in half a second! Woo! Now I issue a 'sync' ... aww, ok. :) |
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| 02:57.12 | octox2 | Sebboh: well, the file writing was slower by alot, only 8MB/s, but the read was almost equal to the hard drives? |
| 02:57.55 | adb | Sebboh: can you give the line in /apt.conf.d to des_able Recommends , please |
| 02:58.25 | octox2 | Sebboh: I bought a Patriot flash drive which is supposed to be good, but this good? I am comparing to my lexar right now to see if it turns out a lot slower |
| 02:59.09 | Sebboh | octox2: dunno. adb, uhm, I happen to have that on my screen. .. I think it's APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 03:00.03 | adb | ok, thanks Sebboh |
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| 03:01.05 | Maveas | Anybody who knows how DynDNS works? I need to set up a MX record |
| 03:01.34 | Guerin | use your ISP's dns service, or ask in #dns |
| 03:02.03 | TavoX | hello, I have debian lenny installed but I don't like it now that it's feature freeze so I am thinking in upgrading to unstable to have newer packages. So my question is, is ok for everyday use or is it really unstable? |
| 03:02.50 | Guerin | TavoX: it's not called unstable for no reason |
| 03:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maveas, well, or ask a real question ... basically it's get an account and install ddclient (or one of the others like ipcheck/ez-ipupdate, which I've never used) |
| 03:03.45 | TavoX | Guerin, I know, my question should have been: how often (and how badly) does it break |
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| 03:04.16 | Guerin | TavoX: as often and as badly as it likes |
| 03:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:04.52 | Guerin | TavoX: you could find that grep doesn't work tomorrow |
| 03:05.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 03:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | now THAT's likely |
| 03:05.16 | Guerin | it's happened before |
| 03:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, actually.. there was that + bug |
| 03:05.18 | Guerin | or init |
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| 03:05.41 | stew | tomorrow you may find that grep -P doesn't work anymore |
| 03:05.44 | Guerin | or grub just won't boot your particular kernel |
| 03:05.50 | Guerin | or X just fails inexplicably |
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| 03:06.06 | Guerin | or ... |
| 03:06.08 | onetinsoldier | TavoX, i will have issues now and then. it's probably fairly stable running. however, things get 'broken' when it comes to installing and uninstalling.. preinst and postinst scripts will sometimes fail leaving you with a broken package state much more often than happens in testing |
| 03:06.15 | onetinsoldier | it* |
| 03:06.27 | adb | Guerin: wrong , i used sid from month w/o grave trubles |
| 03:06.36 | Guerin | adb: have you ever used it during feature freeze? |
| 03:06.40 | TavoX | that can't be good... so I'm stuck with testing (lenny) till It becomes stable and a new debian testing is born? |
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| 03:06.49 | Sweetandy | Hey, I'm using Debian Lenny from a fresh install of etch and an upgrade. I popped open Rhythmbox and imported an MP3... and it played. Is this supposed to happen? I thought MP3 was restricted, and I don't have those repos activated. |
| 03:06.50 | Guerin | onetinsoldier: same question as to adb |
| 03:06.51 | Benalex | is away: ZzZz |
| 03:07.10 | adb | Guerin: no |
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| 03:07.29 | onetinsoldier | hmm? i'm not following everything here.. i can only type and read so fast.. and i'm not the fastest yper |
| 03:07.35 | onetinsoldier | typer* |
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| 03:08.02 | onetinsoldier | Guerin, ok, i'm reading above now |
| 03:08.32 | adb | i'll migrate to right now |
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| 03:08.51 | Guerin | adb: a month don't qualify you to say a damned thing, I'm sorry to say |
| 03:08.58 | onetinsoldier | i have experience running sid for several monts a few years back.. i'm not just talking out my rear here. -just an fyi |
| 03:09.07 | onetinsoldier | months* |
| 03:09.09 | stew | TavoX: something more common might be that suddenly aptitude/apt-get wants to remove your entire graphical environment, and you need to figure out why and which packages to downgrade to testing to fix it, or something, or how to find the problem in the bts... |
| 03:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sweetandy, did you by chance talk to a lot of ubuntu people? |
| 03:09.30 | aoeu3 | why isn't webmin in apt anymore? |
| 03:09.40 | pickcoder | it sucks |
| 03:09.45 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.56 | metaperl | webmin is AWESOME |
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| 03:10.00 | metaperl | I cannot use debian without it |
| 03:10.01 | adb | least* |
| 03:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sweetandy, of course mp3s play |
| 03:10.09 | Guerin | !webmin |
| 03:10.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 03:10.18 | metaperl | rumor is rumor |
| 03:10.24 | metaperl | the fact is, webmin r0x |
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| 03:10.34 | pickcoder | I've used it and it screwed up several services configs |
| 03:10.38 | TavoX | Well, so when is lenny expected to become stable? |
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| 03:10.42 | Guerin | that's just a preset the bot adds to the response. webmin being shit is no rumour. |
| 03:10.46 | pickcoder | install yourself from source if you have to have it |
| 03:10.47 | aoeu3 | what's wrong with the .debs from webmin.com? |
| 03:10.54 | onetinsoldier | yeah, and what stew says too... there are ways to figure out and work around the problems you will end up facing... but i recommend you are very familiar with apt/dpkg and some bash and perl shell scripting |
| 03:11.00 | Guerin | adb: they're still webmin |
| 03:11.03 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:11.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | TavoX, /msg dpkg lenny status , else, /msg dpkg wir .. and so on |
| 03:11.08 | Guerin | aoeu3: they're still webmin |
| 03:11.26 | aoeu3 | Guerin, dpkg says theyre broken |
| 03:11.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | TavoX, and also SIYH |
| 03:11.52 | Guerin | aoeu3: yes. |
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| 03:12.37 | aoeu3 | what will happen if i use the .debs? will my server daemons crash and burn? |
| 03:12.52 | batcoder-7 | is there any boot disk ? |
| 03:12.54 | Guerin | aoeu3: spin the roulette wheel and see. You get to keep all the bits. |
| 03:12.58 | batcoder-7 | for like diagnostics ? |
| 03:13.01 | TavoX | ok then, thanks for the answers |
| 03:13.01 | batcoder-7 | hard drive recovery |
| 03:13.05 | somnambulant | can anyone recommend good (debian-centric?) ebook or book for learning unix/linux commands? |
| 03:13.07 | batcoder-7 | and memory test et |
| 03:13.33 | pickcoder | batcoder-7: there is a live parted CD but I don't think it does memory |
| 03:13.48 | Sebboh | CutMeOwnThroat: what was that about talking to ubuntu people? What, do you think debian *doesn't* have a crazy policy? Pine. nuff said. |
| 03:13.50 | batcoder-7 | not really just parted btw |
| 03:13.53 | aoeu3 | all i ever use webmin for is managing mysql databases and user permissions. is there anything like webmin for this but better? |
| 03:14.03 | Sebboh | or opera ffs. |
| 03:14.14 | batcoder-7 | like for deleting partitions erasing har drives etc ? |
| 03:14.20 | pickcoder | aoeu3: phpmyadmin and the console |
| 03:14.21 | somnambulant | aoeu3: phpmyadim? |
| 03:14.39 | somnambulant | er what pick said |
| 03:14.56 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: Hey it turns out Cups is hard coded to only look for ghostscript commands like pstopdf13 in /usr/bin, I compiled the latest so it was in /usr/local/bin. Thanks for the help on it. :) |
| 03:14.59 | Sebboh | batcoder-7: if you ever repartition a disk from a web browser I will personally chastise you. |
| 03:15.24 | pickcoder | at some point the gui tools won't work and you'll be forced to learn the cli tools |
| 03:15.39 | aoeu3 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda will fix any partitioning problems. web browser or not |
| 03:16.20 | pickcoder | aoeu3: if you're really that lazy of a sysadmin then consider using the gnome or KDE user/group tools |
| 03:17.09 | Sweetandy | CutMeOwnThroat: I see. So I guess decoding is permitted. Huh. |
| 03:17.32 | batcoder-7 | Sebboh: is there any good diagnostic cd's out there ? |
| 03:18.47 | onetinsoldier | i remeber once when a binary in the networking package was broken. everyone running sid could not access the net from linux. many did not have the old package in their cache. they were stuck with no apt or web access to download a fix. this was before there was ntfs support in linux, and i don't think the package fit on a floppy. |
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| 03:22.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sweetandy, apt-cache show toolame |
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| 03:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, that was just because I had a couple of funny answers yesterday on #ubuntu-offtopic, when some guy wanted to know the difference between debian/ubuntu... someone told there were no codecs for patented formats including mp3 |
| 03:26.03 | Guerin | Sweetandy: yeah, fraunhofer only pursue those who use/distribute code violating their encoding patents, the decoding patents' free use are the secret to mp3's success |
| 03:26.33 | Guerin | yeah, stupid people are stupid when it comes to complicated matters like this |
| 03:27.53 | pickcoder | what is the package name for the gcc lib functions |
| 03:28.08 | pickcoder | gcc-doc is not what I wanted |
| 03:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, haha... doesn't it depend on it? |
| 03:29.07 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 03:29.12 | pickcoder | manpages-dev |
| 03:29.23 | pickcoder | which is totall not "doc" or "documentation" |
| 03:29.25 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: The dependencies were happy because I made my own ghostscript deb with checkinstall. |
| 03:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, use checkinstall to make your own packages - or better yet, if it's something like this install the version from backports or do a simple sid backport (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 03:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, heh :) - but then there is no reason to install in /usr/local |
| 03:30.52 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: I just compiled it quick and use the defaults... I didn't think that I would have a problem with cups later on. I even forgot I compiled ghostscript |
| 03:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin, and if that's not new enough, you can often download the source package, replace the source tree by a newer version and add an entry to changelog, then you have all the benefits (inclusive patches, if they still work) of the real package |
| 03:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... for code of which a package exists, there are so much better solutions than checkinstall |
| 03:32.44 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: good point... I'll keep that in mind for next time. Thanks for the [good] advice. |
| 03:32.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, can't happen anymore, though - now there are usb sticks :) |
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| 03:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're welcome... took me too long to figure out myself, so I try to pass it on :) |
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| 03:33.43 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, hehe.. famous last words. |
| 03:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, show me the package that's bigger than the 8GB stick you can buy for 17 bucks now... |
| 03:34.20 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat, it was just an example of what can happen. that type of thing is pretty rare even in sid... however |
| 03:34.33 | jpinx | Hi Guerin - how's life in the land of the long white cloud? |
| 03:34.52 | onetinsoldier | what happens the Ext3 package gets hosed and hoses your system.. eh? |
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| 03:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( MS-Windows-7.1-3.deb ) |
| 03:35.24 | onetinsoldier | lolz |
| 03:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( MS-Office-7.1-321.deb ) |
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| 03:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, dunno how that should affect reiserfs |
| 03:36.00 | onetinsoldier | haha! |
| 03:36.14 | onetinsoldier | !reiserfs |
| 03:36.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 03:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know |
| 03:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I used it in the times when it was still unstable |
| 03:36.46 | onetinsoldier | ^^ until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash |
| 03:36.47 | Guerin | jpinx: never better |
| 03:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, I can read? |
| 03:37.00 | Guerin | jpinx: i have a new baby and five weeks off work on full pay |
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| 03:37.42 | onetinsoldier | ok... just making sure! iwith the awk and sed commands you come up with i thought you couldn't tho... pffft |
| 03:38.11 | jpinx | Guerin: excellent news - good for you. I'll be back there myself in a couple of weeks. ;) |
| 03:39.56 | onetinsoldier | i am going to be back in a bit.. enable my onboard sound and see if i can get sound working |
| 03:40.14 | onetinsoldier | wishes for good creative x-fi driver tho |
| 03:40.47 | onetinsoldier | especially since the x-fi drvier was open-sourced a month ago. |
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| 03:49.55 | necro_ | is there msn client that allows me to do video and audio conference? |
| 03:50.10 | ekontsev1y | Where can adjust system-wide $PATH? (the most proper Debian-approved way)? |
| 03:50.27 | dustybin | necro_: windows xp |
| 03:50.54 | dustybin | ekontsev1y: .rcbash |
| 03:50.56 | necro_ | not doable in linux? |
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| 03:52.18 | octox2 | how many bugs are left to resolve? |
| 03:52.23 | octox2 | in lenny |
| 03:52.35 | adb | ~ 130 |
| 03:53.03 | octox2 | wow, that is a lot less than what I reeemembered a few weeks ago :) |
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| 03:54.01 | ekontsev1y | dustybin: .rcbash? Where? |
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| 03:54.20 | Maveas | 10:sub.domain.com? |
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| 03:54.53 | onetinsoldier | ekontsev1y, perhaps it is in this file.. i haven't looked in it yet... /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 03:54.56 | zmitya | hi all |
| 03:55.08 | neoice | how can I determine what's using a specific socket? |
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| 03:55.40 | zmitya | one of my freind wrote a script uses chpasswd to modify a password by a given md5 hash |
| 03:56.02 | ekontsev1y | onetinsoldier: cool, thanks |
| 03:56.04 | zmitya | he used: echo "mitya:$1$uxMsnBy1$CYSBT7w3KcXkLefOrZ6rd1" | chpasswd -e -m |
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| 03:56.23 | zmitya | it worked before, but it does put nothing into /etc/shadow |
| 03:56.37 | zmitya | can somebody please explain why ? |
| 03:56.38 | octox2 | Ive been using lenny for about 6 months now, and it is the most stable distro I know of so far lol |
| 03:57.01 | octox2 | funny how debian testing is more stable than some others stable |
| 03:58.09 | octox2 | how scarry is Sid? does it break alot? |
| 03:58.14 | onetinsoldier | ekontsev1y, yw |
| 03:58.22 | adb | try than sid ') |
| 03:58.51 | adb | just passed to ... |
| 03:59.00 | octox2 | i am not content unless linux breaks on my once in a while lol |
| 03:59.01 | jpinx | necro_: not sure if it's what you want - but there's amsn packaged for lenny and works well |
| 04:00.02 | necro_ | sorry, maybe i didn't make it clear.. |
| 04:00.08 | necro_ | but, is there msn client that allows me to do video and audio conference? |
| 04:00.18 | xoz | octox2: sid is a good way to learn random things in debian when a certain package encounters problem during install. |
| 04:00.45 | octox2 | sometimes problems when using aptitude even ? |
| 04:00.57 | xoz | yep |
| 04:01.00 | eldowan | I wouldn't put it past sid, he's a mean guy |
| 04:01.37 | pickcoder | s/mean/unstable |
| 04:01.43 | pickcoder | har har |
| 04:01.48 | octox2 | cool, I planned to switch some drives around and change some other stuff. How can you get up to SId? just change the repos and dist-upgrade ? |
| 04:02.07 | adb | Y |
| 04:02.10 | pickcoder | and set aside a few hours a day to fix things |
| 04:02.16 | octox2 | lol |
| 04:02.22 | xoz | it is good to have both lenny or etch in one partition and sid in another partition... in case sid breaks, you can always boot with lenny to fix it by using chroot. |
| 04:02.31 | onetinsoldier | i doubt it's that bad.. it wasn't that bad when i ran |
| 04:02.31 | pickcoder | I dunno. I've never run sid. |
| 04:02.33 | onetinsoldier | it |
| 04:02.46 | octox2 | is it that bad that you need a few hours? I am use to that trying to get web cams and other stupid crap working lol |
| 04:02.50 | jpinx | necro_: amsn is a package that uses the msn messenger servce and does video and voice |
| 04:02.51 | pickcoder | doesn't hurt to be prepared though |
| 04:03.05 | xoz | octox2: try debbootstrap. it is better to have lenny in one partition as a backup. |
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| 04:03.32 | necro_ | thanks |
| 04:04.03 | onetinsoldier | but yeah, be prepared to deal with broken dependencies, installed but not configured progs/libs and the occasional half-installed package problem |
| 04:04.04 | adb | octox2: or keep a lenny cdrom around ... |
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| 04:04.41 | onetinsoldier | octox2, no.. it's not that bad... but there will be those days for sure |
| 04:04.49 | xoz | swears running sid is a good educational experience... but always have a stable or testing as a backup. |
| 04:04.59 | onetinsoldier | ^^ |
| 04:05.14 | octox2 | xoz: I have lennyinstalled on a raid that I need to use for my music and movies and crap since they are big drives. I was going to swap stuff around. I guess I could copy it over to the 3rd and 4th drives and use that raid to update to SId and see how it goes before I reformat lenny lol |
| 04:05.17 | jpinx | octox2: keep your lenny as your main system and experiment with sid |
| 04:05.24 | SparFux | Why are the movies in swfdec-mozilla in debian all black? |
| 04:05.54 | SparFux | h.m.. now all of the sudden theey work. |
| 04:06.09 | SparFux | no, only some work. |
| 04:06.16 | octox2 | or, I can just play with Sid in Virtualybox for a while, but that isnt as fun as a panic lol |
| 04:06.44 | onetinsoldier | after lenny goes stable, all hell will probably break out on sid.. lol |
| 04:06.48 | xoz | octox2: enjoy and good luck to the experience. occassionally, you gotta visit /var/lib/dpkg/info and /var/lib/dpkg/status to edit them if a certain package breaks. |
| 04:07.02 | octox2 | what can usually break in SId, anything like even NFS ? |
| 04:07.08 | jpinx | octox2: if you an adrenaline junky - change your sources.list to sid and upgrade ;) |
| 04:07.47 | xoz | octox2: random things... even grub postinstall script may break. but none that you cannot fix if you can mount the dirs from another debian system. |
| 04:07.50 | octox2 | lol, I like to learn the hard way sometimes. but only since I have another box lol |
| 04:08.00 | xoz | octox2: even linux image install may break |
| 04:08.03 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: it'll be good for sid because it'll become more stable quicker ;) |
| 04:08.07 | adb | octox2: just done : apt-get dist-upgrade :97 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
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| 04:08.07 | octox2 | lol |
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| 04:08.18 | adb | Need to get 58.5MB/60.1MB of archives |
| 04:08.25 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.29 | jrabbit | then you should get them. |
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| 04:09.42 | octox2 | where do the bald people who use Sid hang out and scream at eachother? |
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| 04:10.01 | onetinsoldier | jpinx, ahh, roger. but i do wonder how it will become more stable quicker. but i will say, that after lenny goes stable will be a good time for sid. you will get to check out a lot of new goodies pretty quickly |
| 04:10.03 | dmoerner | debian-devel@l.d.o? |
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| 04:10.15 | adb | nowhere ! |
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| 04:11.22 | theXfactor | hey there. anyone know anything about wireless on debian? |
| 04:11.37 | xoz | !tell theXfactor -about ask |
| 04:11.50 | theXfactor | huh? |
| 04:11.59 | jpinx | theXfactor: yea - I know how much trouble I had setting up wifi ;) |
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| 04:12.07 | onetinsoldier | man you guys have me thinking about trying out sid now.. lol. how many logical partitions can a guy have on one drive? hehe |
| 04:12.07 | theXfactor | lol. me too |
| 04:12.39 | theXfactor | i got it working, sorta. it freezes everytime i try and get on a signal |
| 04:12.43 | onetinsoldier | man, i should just get another hard drive anyway... damn case can hold like six of 'em. i should make use of that space! |
| 04:12.53 | Corwin | I've run unstable on a web server for many years now. I've had drives fail, but never Debian |
| 04:13.04 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: you can put a trial of sid ona single partition and use the same swap partitiona nd home dir partition |
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| 04:13.47 | theXfactor | anyone have a suggestion |
| 04:13.56 | onetinsoldier | jpinx, copy that, and sounds kind of like an interesting way of setting it up |
| 04:14.11 | jpinx | theXfactor: you using network manager ? |
| 04:14.45 | theXfactor | that and the net config botton |
| 04:14.45 | onetinsoldier | jpinx, but alas, i would just go grab another hdd |
| 04:14.45 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: I have etch, etchnhalf, lenny and sid all on one hdd |
| 04:15.19 | jpinx | they all use the same swap and /home partitions |
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| 04:15.24 | dmoerner | i just use chroots |
| 04:15.27 | onetinsoldier | jpinx, cool :-) you are an official debian freak! i don't blame you. i love it myself |
| 04:15.36 | xoz | theXfactor: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Wireless_networking |
| 04:15.51 | octox2 | jpinx: did you leave /boot on the same partition as / and change grub menu/lst for the 3 seperate kernels ? |
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| 04:16.11 | octox2 | menu.lst* |
| 04:16.25 | adb | Y |
| 04:16.46 | jpinx | onetinsoldier: octox2 grub in installed on the hdd - not a partition |
| 04:16.47 | xoz | octox2: having different debians is just logical if you want to explore |
| 04:17.00 | adb | and change nothing , just use grub |
| 04:17.21 | jpinx | though I have played around with grub in different places |
| 04:17.40 | theXfactor | jpinx, that doesnt tell me anything about why it would freeze |
| 04:17.43 | jpinx | it easy to edit grub at boot time if you screw up |
| 04:17.56 | xoz | grub cli is a lifesaver also |
| 04:18.02 | theXfactor | this is the only thing debian has given me a hard time about |
| 04:18.08 | octox2 | right, I usually put grub on the MBR, you still have to modify grub to point to the new kernel and root partition right ? |
| 04:18.40 | octox2 | oh wait |
| 04:18.47 | jpinx | theXfactor: if you have network manager I can only suggest you check configs and the configs of your router |
| 04:19.00 | octox2 | i have my grub installed in /boot/grub |
| 04:19.36 | jpinx | octox2: I sometimes run grub-install, sometimes do it by hand - it's fairly easy if you remember grub numbering starts at 0 not 1 |
| 04:19.42 | theXfactor | they work just fine. its debian that is freezing. i have no problem with my other distros |
| 04:19.56 | zmitya | I'm struggling with chpasswd |
| 04:20.04 | zmitya | please check it: http://paste.debian.net/22910/ |
| 04:20.09 | jpinx | theXfactor: sorry - I didn't have that problem - can't help |
| 04:20.40 | octox2 | you can put /boot on a seperate partition and have three seperate / partitions for etch lenny and sid and /home on a 4th partition? that may work right? |
| 04:20.44 | jpinx | has 2 flavours of windows on the same hdd ;) |
| 04:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks jpinx must be mostly busy booting to get any benefit out of this |
| 04:21.12 | zmitya | why chpasswd does not write hash into /etc/shadow ????? |
| 04:21.22 | octox2 | then add a menu choice for each of the other two kernels right? |
| 04:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually hopes jpinx has ever heard about virtual boxes... |
| 04:22.07 | elmarian6 | jpinx is too productive to use just sid |
| 04:22.11 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: I rarely use them, but the girlfriend could only use windows when we started, though she's getting good on lenny now |
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| 04:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, probably chpasswd is as little able to read from a pipe as is passwd? |
| 04:23.08 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: my old laptop doesn't have the hardware to allow vboxes to work well -- only 256MBs RAM and 500Mhz PIII |
| 04:23.24 | theXfactor | every time i try and log on with wireless debian freezes. i have tried network manager and the network botton. it freezes every time. i have debian 4.0 on computer that uses the ipw2200 module. i installed the correct firmware that goes with it and the headers, but it always freezes |
| 04:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but a big enough disk to waste space on 5 installations? |
| 04:23.48 | octox2 | the reason I am asking is because soon I am going to try to fit 3 different distros on a flash drive and see if I can boot to them all :) |
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| 04:23.55 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: on etch, it should work with -e -m paramaters |
| 04:24.03 | octox2 | from the same grub |
| 04:24.08 | zmitya | it worked before, but somehow it stopped now :(((( |
| 04:24.31 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: distros are not all big - - most less than 2 GBs |
| 04:25.10 | theXfactor | has anyone tried lfs? |
| 04:25.23 | jpinx | octox2: should be fine, but be careful about re-partitioning the usb flash stick - they are sometimes "hardwired" as VFAT |
| 04:25.53 | octox2 | my brother tryed lfs, he started making scripts to install everything so he didnt have to sit there for 10 hours typing lol |
| 04:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, oh, use ' instead of "! |
| 04:26.16 | theXfactor | thats a good idea. im just learning how to use scripts |
| 04:26.28 | octox2 | jpinx: I already formatted it as ext3 and ran Bonnie++ on it and it seems oh |
| 04:26.45 | jpinx | octox2: sounds like your good to go them |
| 04:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, it worked perfectly, that's why the password is empty now |
| 04:26.49 | jpinx | *then |
| 04:26.53 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: so I have pre-generated hashes from a different system |
| 04:26.58 | octox2 | jpinx: I wonder If I can setup raid on flash drives lol. have to plug three in at a time lol |
| 04:27.03 | zmitya | I have to put them into the shadow file |
| 04:27.22 | jpinx | octox2: I see no reason why not in theory |
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| 04:27.26 | zmitya | this should be done by "-e -m" parameters together |
| 04:27.32 | jpinx | they are just hdd's |
| 04:27.39 | octox2 | yeap |
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| 04:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, hello? |
| 04:27.51 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: why ? |
| 04:28.01 | jpinx | but my knowledge of software raid is nil ;) |
| 04:28.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, please, <CutMeOwnThroat> zmitya, oh, use ' instead of "! |
| 04:28.25 | octox2 | i have been using mdadm for a while, and I think it is bullet proof and works great |
| 04:28.33 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: well, sorry, don't understand you, my english is not so perfect |
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| 04:28.49 | zmitya | so what is instead of ? |
| 04:29.04 | octox2 | jpinx: and If i have to move the drives if my motherboard dies , I dont lose my raid :) |
| 04:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, use single quotes instead of double quotes |
| 04:29.11 | jpinx | octox2: I'd be interested to hear how you get on - I might have to move some of my systems |
| 04:29.19 | zmitya | oh |
| 04:29.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, your quoting doesn't escape the dollar |
| 04:29.25 | zmitya | ok, trying that |
| 04:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's an envrironment variable to the shell |
| 04:29.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 04:29.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is empty |
| 04:29.46 | jpinx | plugs is 120Gb HDD into various machines and it "just works" (tm) |
| 04:30.28 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: pffffffff, thank you very much !!!!! |
| 04:30.53 | octox2 | well, im off to bedd, nigth all |
| 04:31.28 | jpinx | octox2: keep me posted ;) |
| 04:31.40 | octox2 | k |
| 04:31.44 | octox2 | later |
| 04:32.59 | onetinsoldier | ekontsev1y, you still here? did you find the file? it looks like it's /etc/profile, not /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 04:33.03 | batcoder-7 | anyone here know any good recovery cd's ? |
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| 04:34.15 | ekontsev1y | I need to modify $PATH system-wide (especially for root, i.e. for commands that run under 'sudo'). Where do I do that? I've updated /etc/bash.bashrc but sudo XXX still says 'XXX: command not found' |
| 04:34.45 | ekontsev1y | onetinsoldier: sorry I missed your comment! lemme try that |
| 04:34.50 | elmarian6 | becouse sudo clears env variables |
| 04:35.03 | elmarian6 | you should configure sudo properli |
| 04:35.04 | onetinsoldier | ekontsev1y, okie dokie |
| 04:35.06 | elmarian6 | properly |
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| 04:35.11 | casperr | hey |
| 04:35.15 | casperr | exactly how stable is testing ? |
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| 04:35.33 | elmarian6 | use visudo and comment the following line |
| 04:35.42 | elmarian6 | Defaults env_reset |
| 04:35.47 | onetinsoldier | damn stable for me |
| 04:36.00 | casperr | onetinsoldier: alright sick |
| 04:36.07 | casperr | onetinsoldier: how recent is the version of gnome in testing ? |
| 04:36.37 | onetinsoldier | 2.22 |
| 04:37.08 | casperr | alright nice |
| 04:37.14 | casperr | Ill prolly have to install Testing on my compy |
| 04:37.27 | onetinsoldier | roger. you will like it i'm sure |
| 04:37.34 | casperr | also one more question, I am setting up my new fileserver on debian, how can I make it so I can access the share from windows computers etc |
| 04:37.48 | casperr | is there like a guide to show me how to setup a network share ? |
| 04:37.53 | onetinsoldier | it probably won't be all that long before it's the stable version of debian |
| 04:38.01 | casperr | onetinsoldier: alright cool |
| 04:38.10 | elmarian6 | go for sid, testing is for gandmas with cardiovascular diseases |
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| 04:38.34 | casperr | sid is unstable ? |
| 04:38.46 | elmarian6 | yes |
| 04:39.28 | adb | casperr: unstable means repository , NOT the packages ! |
| 04:39.39 | casperr | adb: I know |
| 04:39.48 | casperr | adb: thats what I meant |
| 04:39.50 | adb | soory ,than |
| 04:39.53 | casperr | adb: and testing is the same |
| 04:40.03 | onetinsoldier | casperr, when i say that i do mean lenny in your /etc/apt/sources file... not 'testing' ...lenny will become the stable version... testing will always be testing |
| 04:40.04 | adb | sorry* |
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| 04:40.14 | casperr | yah |
| 04:40.19 | casperr | onetinsoldier: I know what you mean |
| 04:40.23 | ekontsev1y | I added this line to /etc/profile: export PATH="$PATH:/home/stower/jruby/bin", then rebooted, and "sudo gem" still won't work... |
| 04:40.24 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 04:40.24 | Delicates | Anyone knows what ulimits does the init process have and where they are defined? |
| 04:40.26 | ekontsev1y | Dammit |
| 04:40.29 | casperr | but how can I setup a network share that even windows comps can access ? |
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| 04:40.41 | casperr | Cause I got a 200gb server in my closet im about to put debian on |
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| 04:40.43 | ekontsev1y | Am I even doing it properly? Is it how you add stuff to $PATH on Linux? |
| 04:40.49 | adb | !ulimits |
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| 04:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delicates, I would assume it has none |
| 04:41.25 | linuxhelp_de | hello@all when do debian 5 will be stable? |
| 04:41.36 | onetinsoldier | ekontsev1y, been a long time since i've done that, but it looks right to me |
| 04:41.39 | linuxhelp_de | is there a date? |
| 04:41.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | casperr, samba, edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 04:41.54 | dak|away | how can i kill certain ports? i did netstat -a and seeing some ports i dont want to be used :| |
| 04:42.11 | casperr | CutMeOwnThroat: alright sick |
| 04:42.20 | casperr | CutMeOwnThroat: I just use samba to setup a fileserver ? |
| 04:42.23 | onetinsoldier | ekontsev1y, you can check whether it took. after loggin in do echo "$PATH" ...or perhaps you already have |
| 04:42.29 | Delicates | CutMeOwnThroat: nofiles would be set by the kernel fs.file-max parameter, but what would nproc be? |
| 04:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | casperr, yeah... and exporting isn't hard... I had quite some problems setting it up as a PDC, though (but that was because of a bug in samba, I think) |
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| 04:44.18 | casperr | CutMeOwnThroat: alright sick, I found a nice guide online, it looks super easy |
| 04:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | casperr, it's not very hard, yes - and yes, there are lots of good guides around |
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| 04:45.28 | casperr | CutMeOwnThroat: sweet, cause my work gave me a free P3 1u rackmount, with a 146gb 10k scsi, and a 74gb 10k scsi |
| 04:45.41 | casperr | CutMeOwnThroat: so I put em on raid0 and threw debian on it xD |
| 04:45.42 | casperr | haha |
| 04:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delicates, doesn't seem to make sense to me to set any ulimit for the init process - whenever init dies, the system dies? |
| 04:47.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delicates, so any automatism to kill init would be bad? |
| 04:48.00 | Delicates | CutMeOwnThroat: init wouldn't die if nproc is reached, it just won't be able to fork any more processes |
| 04:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, why shouldn't it be unlimited by default |
| 04:48.34 | onetinsoldier | neoice, hello. you here? |
| 04:48.41 | casperr | so yah |
| 04:48.55 | adb | casperr: you are the right Casper , the father of livecd i tho ? |
| 04:48.56 | casperr | Im gonna switch from windows to debian-testing |
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| 04:49.06 | casperr | adb: ? |
| 04:49.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | casperr, the only thing is, if things fail linux<->windows debugging them is hell because windows tries to hide from you what's wrong |
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| 04:49.55 | casperr | Yah |
| 04:49.58 | casperr | that's true |
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| 04:51.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delicates, cat /proc/1/limits |
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| 04:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's got a limit of 16119, like all my user processes - you were right, they all inherited the value |
| 04:53.07 | Delicates | CutMeOwnThroat: my kernel unfortunately doesn't have that feature |
| 04:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh? |
| 04:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have /proc? |
| 04:53.39 | Delicates | I can't check it through /proc |
| 04:53.43 | Delicates | I do |
| 04:53.54 | Delicates | just no limits file for processes |
| 04:54.13 | Delicates | CutMeOwnThroat: what proc limit do you get if you login as root? |
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| 04:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delicates, the same |
| 04:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delicates, well, su |
| 04:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delicates, what kernel do you run? |
| 04:55.08 | Delicates | 2.6.5 |
| 04:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 04:56.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | There is no 2.6.5 in the repositories... that's... sarge? |
| 04:56.27 | adb | 2.6.50 |
| 04:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | potato? |
| 04:56.44 | dmoerner | 2.6.8 was optional in sarge |
| 04:56.49 | dmoerner | 2.6.50 does not exist |
| 04:56.57 | adb | 2.6.26 < 2.6.50 |
| 04:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... yet |
| 04:57.14 | dmoerner | probably never |
| 04:57.25 | adb | or never |
| 04:57.34 | dmoerner | they will have a new numbering scheme by then |
| 04:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, just wait... with the trend to greater unwillingness to increase major version numbers... |
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| 04:58.03 | adb | 2.8.0 |
| 04:58.06 | twobitsprite | yeah, soon we'll have 2.6.26.147 |
| 04:58.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delicates, http://pastebin.com/f3e3e2504 |
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| 04:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and we'll start confusing IPs and kernel versions |
| 04:59.53 | FredZ | I have a server with 2 NICs. Can I setup both NICs with the same parameters (consecutive IP) and connect them both to the same switch? |
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| 05:00.16 | FredZ | eth0 & eth1 |
| 05:00.19 | adb | ipv6 is here, just in case CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:00.25 | adb | ') |
| 05:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh definitely... will your next question be, if it works? |
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| 05:01.16 | twobitsprite | FredZ: by consecutive IP, do you mean 192.168.0.10 and 192.168.0.11? |
| 05:01.27 | FredZ | yes |
| 05:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | FredZ, that sounds totally useless to me... |
| 05:01.33 | twobitsprite | I don't see why not |
| 05:01.52 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: he might have a load balancing router |
| 05:02.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, "and connect them to the same switch" |
| 05:02.15 | FredZ | I am having difficulties with xen with the second NIC not being configured, so this is why I ask. |
| 05:02.27 | twobitsprite | ohh |
| 05:02.35 | twobitsprite | might have better luck in #xen |
| 05:02.51 | twobitsprite | but stick around, someone might know in here too |
| 05:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | FredZ, oh, so you don't expect any functionality from the 2nd nic? |
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| 05:05.33 | twobitsprite | wonders if master_of_master_of_master is too long for freenode |
| 05:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | FredZ, then I don't see why there should be any problems... just try it ... |
| 05:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | WHY would xen complain, I wonder |
| 05:07.02 | adb | FredZ: xen use his own bridge to configure his interface |
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| 05:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | night |
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| 05:08.25 | amine | hey, traceroute to my dedicated server always times out in the end ( * * * ).. same if the server traceroutes my router. Is there a way I can find out how many hops it takes to actually get to the destination? |
| 05:08.55 | nullboy | amine: using something other than ICMP |
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| 05:09.33 | amine | nullboy, actually, using -I works fine.. so using ICMP was the correct answer :P |
| 05:09.40 | amine | nullboy, thanks anyways |
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| 05:17.50 | FredZ | adb: Yes I am aware of that, but out of the 8 doms I have it is always the dom with ID1 that isn't starting, so I am having a wild quess that it may be something to do with the unconfigured NIC on the server. |
| 05:18.33 | ekontsev1y | Hm... I don't quite understand how name resolution works. Can you please look at this command line history of mine: http://pastie.org/331603 |
| 05:18.55 | ekontsev1y | I do ssh 'name' and it fails, while 'ssh IP' works, even though nslookup is fine... |
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| 05:20.36 | Tramp | ekontsev1y: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf " show? |
| 05:20.42 | adb | FredZ: you means Dom0 ? |
| 05:21.05 | adb | instead of ID1 ? |
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| 05:25.35 | adb | anyways to late for today |
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| 05:26.10 | FredZ | All doms have have a unique ID assinged at boot, it seems the first dom (ID 1) never starts. I just setup the second NIC and it have kiiled all my bridge so I am now fixing that as well. |
| 05:26.28 | adb | what's your kernel ? Dom0 is available only on 2.6.18 i tho |
| 05:26.56 | FredZ | Linux server1 2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 13 21:14:41 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 05:28.29 | ekontsev1y | exit |
| 05:28.31 | adb | well good luck, than |
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| 05:30.54 | ekontsevoy | I have disconnected... Has anyone replied to this: http://pastie.org/331603 ? |
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| 05:33.18 | adb | just in case, changing the boot order from dom(x) , or recreate the dom #1 don't help ? |
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| 05:35.11 | ekontsevoy | http://pastie.org/331603 |
| 05:35.44 | adb | maybe you reached the upper limit of doms (1+7 = 8) ? |
| 05:36.56 | FredZ | adb: I don't yet know how to assign ID to a dom (xen virgin). |
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| 05:39.45 | adb | i assume that is made automatically by xen , way / what's means xen virgin ? |
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| 05:40.29 | FredZ | This is my very first xen project |
| 05:40.41 | adb | ah, cool |
| 05:40.54 | FredZ | yup, just poped my xen cherry |
| 05:41.04 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 05:41.41 | chuck | FredZ, heh, what OS are you using as the dom0? |
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| 05:42.08 | adb | debian ... |
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| 05:44.45 | adb | it seems at least, viewing the channel and kernel ;) |
| 05:45.55 | FredZ | chuck: etch |
| 05:46.43 | chuck | ah, cool |
| 05:47.06 | chuck | I only tried Xen once, and it was on a computer with like 256MB of memory because I couldn't find anything better that I wanted to wipe and reinstall |
| 05:47.16 | chuck | and it was with centos *puke* |
| 05:47.59 | FredZ | Actually I have just moved over to Debian after I found out the Fedora doesn't support my old Compaq servers any more. Debian does, so I have moved all my servers over to 4.0R5 |
| 05:48.38 | FredZ | Its taking a little getting used to, but it seems worth the effort. |
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| 05:49.20 | Guerin | hooray! |
| 05:50.56 | adb | FredZ: no worry , i made a 'compaq' cluster of 12 x nodes @450 MHz |
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| 05:52.10 | Supaplex | sounds obeese |
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| 05:56.10 | FredZ | adb: I have 3 compaq 6500 that I am wanting to do that with, but first I have to resolve the fibre channel array problem I have with them. |
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| 05:56.43 | adb | hm, fibre channel |
| 05:56.46 | FredZ | adb: The problem is I don't know how to get it to work. |
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| 05:59.28 | FredZ | adb: I have several hundred Tb spanned over all the arrays. It would be nice to get it operational. Im moving that from a windowz iSCSI system to deb |
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| 06:01.20 | adb | http://mail.kwenie.org/debian/ |
| 06:02.45 | adb | cpqfc.o Compaq Fibre Channel 64-bit/66Mhz HBA support |
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| 06:03.55 | cast | hmm, anyone know why debian-multimedia gives me BADSIG errors? hate to think i installed a trojaned mplayer :\ |
| 06:03.57 | FredZ | adb: yes, when I do lsipc I can see the devices, I just don't know how to use them under linux |
| 06:04.49 | FredZ | adb: sorry, thats lspci |
| 06:04.53 | adb | as a raid , vlm or so ? |
| 06:05.02 | adb | lvm* |
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| 06:05.40 | adb | dmadm ? |
| 06:05.51 | FredZ | No, the arrays are hardware raid 5 boxes, so any OS just sees them as a single drive. |
| 06:07.05 | FredZ | adb: all management is done within the box (array) itself. |
| 06:07.15 | adb | !hwraid |
| 06:07.16 | dpkg | [hwraid] at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 06:08.46 | FredZ | adb: under deb, the adaptors are seen as network devices. I just have to work out how to make it all work. |
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| 06:09.06 | adb | no any IDE disk ? for installing system , than use raid as DATA |
| 06:09.46 | FredZ | adb: Now the wife is calling, we have a dinner party to go to. I will continue this tomorrow if your around. |
| 06:10.06 | FredZ | adb: thanks for your comments |
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| 06:10.08 | adb | ok later |
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| 06:16.06 | awk | hmm, we all know their is a vuln inside clamav, and its updated on etch, etc etc... but what about volatile.debian.org with the latest packages, I don't see an update there? who maintaines that repo? |
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| 06:18.23 | GhostlyDeath | How do I see if an application is installed? |
| 06:18.44 | cast | dpkg -l |
| 06:18.44 | dpkg | cast: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:19.09 | GhostlyDeath | How big is a breadbox? |
| 06:19.11 | GhostlyDeath | thanks cast |
| 06:19.20 | craigevil | GhostlyDeath: apt-cache policy packagename also works |
| 06:19.39 | GhostlyDeath | good thing someone wrote grep! |
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| 06:40.21 | awk | anyone know what happend to the apache2-ssl configuration script? |
| 06:41.15 | awk | hmm, anyone .crt to .pem convertors in debian |
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| 06:42.24 | beardy | What are they both? |
| 06:43.15 | Guerin | ssl certificates |
| 06:43.24 | awk | ahh openssl gendh >> |
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| 06:44.11 | Guerin | yeah, it's internal I think |
| 06:44.23 | Guerin | as in, you use the same tool to convert as to generate |
| 06:45.07 | awk | thanks, works |
| 06:45.39 | awk | I remeber in debian there was an apache2-ssl-certificate that did all this for you, but its not longer available as a tool |
| 06:45.56 | Guerin | it was a bit of a pain in the arse too |
| 06:46.13 | Guerin | earier to just take the safety catch off and use the real thing |
| 06:47.56 | beardy | I see. |
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| 06:49.37 | hark | awk: /msg dpkg apache2-ssl-certificate |
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| 06:51.15 | awk | thanks |
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| 06:52.45 | Gruelius | Hey all, if i whack 4gb of ram into my 32bit etch box will it just use what it can and continue along or will it chuck a fit? |
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| 06:53.44 | anddam | hello |
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| 06:54.03 | anddam | can anyone confirm pdo is down? |
| 06:54.25 | Piper69 | what is vanila kernel for debian etch |
| 06:54.45 | liable | anddam: appears so |
| 06:55.23 | Piper69 | liable: sup |
| 06:55.27 | anddam | next question: why does libfreetype6 has that 6 in its name? |
| 06:55.31 | mhymn_ | anddam: it's ok here |
| 06:55.32 | anddam | have* |
| 06:55.45 | anddam | now it does |
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| 06:55.56 | anddam | it didn't load for liable too |
| 06:55.58 | liable | Piper69: gday |
| 06:56.11 | Piper69 | nice |
| 06:57.41 | mhymn_ | because it depends on libc6 ?!? |
| 06:58.22 | anddam | mhymn_: maybe, but is this an usual naming convention? |
| 06:58.35 | liable | anddam: just very overloaded or something, finally loaded |
| 06:58.40 | anddam | this is major release 2 of the library |
| 06:58.45 | Piper69 | wonder, anyone discovered a mute button for women yet! |
| 06:58.47 | anddam | liable: it works here too, now |
| 06:59.15 | Piper69 | welling to put all his 401k for that invention :) |
| 06:59.25 | liable | hehe |
| 06:59.26 | anddam | Piper69: in life as on irc, /mute relies on listener's ears |
| 06:59.53 | liable | Piper69: generally throwing money their way at least muffles the dissent ;) |
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| 07:00.56 | Piper69 | liable: that work well for the 1st 5 days of the week |
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| 07:01.49 | anddam | so for today it depends on when you start counting in the week |
| 07:01.50 | alca | ye, and on friday night they demand sex. eew... gimme a break! |
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| 07:03.40 | Piper69 | Getting married for sex is like buying a 747 for the free peanuts |
| 07:04.08 | Guerin | that's a quote of the day |
| 07:04.19 | beardy | Peanuts are nice. |
| 07:04.25 | mhymn_ | hehe |
| 07:04.35 | anddam | and airplanes are nice too |
| 07:04.37 | alca | peanuts in bars are so much better |
| 07:04.42 | liable | I like turtles |
| 07:04.51 | anddam | seems a great bargain |
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| 07:06.17 | awk | hrm, anyone good with apache2 and ssl? |
| 07:06.33 | beardy | You'll notice after the real question. |
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| 07:06.56 | awk | lol |
| 07:06.56 | awk | http://pastebin.com/m71df049b |
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| 07:07.01 | anddam | beardy: maybe he's doing statistical analysis |
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| 07:07.17 | awk | http://pastebin.com/m1ea00ea6 |
| 07:07.36 | anddam | ok he isn't |
| 07:07.41 | awk | first paste is my error on loading apache second paste is under <VirtualHost *:443> |
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| 07:09.11 | beardy | awk: Check the actual file it complains about. Looks like the first line is missing a commentchar. |
| 07:10.31 | beardy | awk: I wonder why you think the second paste has any value? Paste first line of /etc/apache2/conf.d/ssl.crt/server.crt instead. |
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| 07:11.12 | awk | ok, but its looks like any ssl cert would, 1 sec |
| 07:11.31 | awk | beardy and i pasted second paste, to show that i'm enabling ssl engine so that would should then read a cert |
| 07:11.41 | beardy | awk: Ok. |
| 07:12.03 | awk | http://pastebin.com/m73994a4d |
| 07:12.07 | awk | thats top half of my cert |
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| 07:13.18 | yang | Any idea how much slower does a SATA drive work with LVM+crypto setup agains an ordinary setup ? |
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| 07:16.00 | beardy | awk: Looks like that's how it should look yes.. |
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| 07:16.57 | Internat | yang: id be very much interested in that as well. |
| 07:19.28 | yang | Internat: I think its slower becouse the files get crypted all the time |
| 07:20.12 | awk | beardy: then why is it trying to 'include' it but not actually read the CERT ? |
| 07:20.45 | xingu | yang: should be negligible hit if you drop the lvmcrypto and buy drives that do aes256 in firmware :) |
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| 07:21.43 | xingu | yang: unless you're tinfoil enough to worry about tempest attacks on the sata cabling itself |
| 07:21.47 | yang | xingu: any idea which are such drives? |
| 07:22.51 | xingu | yang: from memory momentus has aes128 at least. |
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| 07:23.31 | beardy | awk: Is that file in the .crt format? |
| 07:23.43 | beardy | awk: Or did you convert it, but didn't change name? |
| 07:23.44 | xingu | yang: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/11-11-2008/0004922514&EDATE= |
| 07:24.16 | xingu | yang: mostly seems to be the mobile ranges that they're testing the market demand for |
| 07:24.29 | beardy | awk: I don't know the difference, but http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html seems to suggest that it wants it in .pem. Maybe it doesn't like the .crt name. (far fetched..) |
| 07:24.49 | xingu | yang: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20081111005473&newsLang=en |
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| 07:25.21 | mhymn_ | ... and tinyurl made life easier |
| 07:25.58 | beardy | awk: If it is in .pem format, but still named .crt, I mean. |
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| 07:26.16 | Zoup | is this possible to xset m for a single mouse device ? |
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| 07:30.05 | yang | xingu: thanks for providing the links. |
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| 07:32.15 | beardy | Been a while since I fiddled with apache and ssl, and then it worked, so.. that's all I can give I think. |
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| 07:36.04 | casperr | hey so I got my samba server setup |
| 07:36.15 | casperr | but when I connect as the normal user it doesnt let me do anything to my home folder |
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| 07:39.07 | casperr | nevermind, I got it fixed =D |
| 07:39.32 | yang | xingu: do you happen to know if these new drives are compatible with the old drives, which used Pentium M processors - I can't recall the name of the interface |
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| 07:39.58 | Guerin | a drive uses a cpu now? |
| 07:40.05 | Guerin | wow, that looking glass came up fast |
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| 07:42.34 | yang | xingu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/SixHardDriveFormFactors.jpg |
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| 07:42.57 | yang | xingu: mine looks like that in the Pentium M laptop |
| 07:43.03 | g0rd0n | phpMyAdmin Debian package spits out these errors: Warning: mb_stristr() [function.mb-stristr]: Empty haystack in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/display_tbl.lib.php on line 1367 |
| 07:43.07 | g0rd0n | any idea what is going wrong? |
| 07:43.27 | casperr | and now |
| 07:43.40 | casperr | I get to see how long it will take to copy an 8gb folder over the network |
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| 07:44.56 | casperr | damn |
| 07:44.57 | casperr | haha |
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| 07:45.05 | casperr | but I got a nice Samba fileserver setup now =D |
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| 07:45.46 | casperr | its sick haha |
| 07:47.00 | yang | xingu: I think that this new drives have a SATA interface, and my old one still has IDE |
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| 07:48.03 | liable | !ping |
| 07:48.03 | dpkg | pong |
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| 07:50.01 | anddam | bing |
| 07:50.07 | anddam | !bing |
| 07:50.08 | dpkg | well, bing is an Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester |
| 07:50.13 | anddam | nay |
| 07:50.26 | anddam | dpkg should answer "bong" |
| 07:50.26 | dpkg | anddam: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 07:53.56 | awk | by the way apache helped me with the ssl thing, it was trying to load the cert as a config, had to have it outside the directory for it to work |
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| 07:56.09 | anddam | awk: maybe there's an httpd.conf directive to recursively search in all dirs, disable your cert directory |
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| 07:58.37 | casperr | is there like a list of packages that are in testing ? |
| 07:58.46 | casperr | and how often is testing updated aproximately ? |
| 07:59.01 | Aggro | casperr: Yes there is, I doubt that you can miss it if you use Google |
| 07:59.26 | Aggro | casperr: How often now, or how often when it is not frozen like it is now? |
| 07:59.55 | Aggro | casperr: And by update do you mean new packages or updated packages? |
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| 08:00.14 | casperr | I got it |
| 08:00.24 | casperr | hmm, even testing is pretty old |
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| 08:00.32 | casperr | but its alright, I don't need bleeding edge software |
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| 08:00.43 | Aggro | casperr: It is frozen, use unstable? |
| 08:00.47 | casperr | stability is what im aiming for! i usually don't use debian |
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| 08:00.55 | casperr | how unstable is unstable though ? |
| 08:01.06 | Guerin | casperr: impossible to say |
| 08:01.13 | Guerin | it's instability is itself unstable |
| 08:01.19 | Aggro | casperr: New packages go to unstable, after 10 days they move to testing (unless testing is frozen like it is now) |
| 08:01.38 | keoano | I was trying to install Flash Player. In the options for installer, there is one ".deb for Ubuntu 8.04". Can it be used for Debian? |
| 08:01.39 | casperr | hmm |
| 08:01.47 | casperr | how long till its unfrozen |
| 08:01.51 | casperr | or is it random everytime ? |
| 08:01.53 | Aggro | casperr: And obviously if serious bugs are found, they don't go to testing |
| 08:02.00 | Aggro | casperr: When Lenny is released |
| 08:02.05 | Guerin | sometimes it appears stable, but this is an illusion. Every day new packages go in, and if just one is fucked, then the walls can all come down. It's plain chance./ |
| 08:02.13 | casperr | Aggro: oh, im guessing that's coming up soon ? |
| 08:02.22 | Aggro | casperr: That is funny |
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| 08:02.33 | casperr | Aggro: lol ? |
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| 08:02.55 | Aggro | casperr: There are a lot of estimates, I would say that it takes some months |
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| 08:03.05 | keoano | Debian has really lost out to Ubuntu. |
| 08:03.16 | casperr | oh, that kinda sucks =( |
| 08:03.26 | casperr | but ubuntu is so bloated...and blehh |
| 08:03.32 | keoano | I was trying to install Flash Player. In the options for installer, there is one ".deb for Ubuntu 8.04" but none for Debian. |
| 08:03.33 | casperr | i like the way debian works a lot more |
| 08:03.39 | liable | resists the urge to take the troll bait |
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| 08:03.51 | casperr | lol |
| 08:04.11 | keoano | .deb is no more Debian! |
| 08:04.24 | azeem | keoano: please keep it on topic |
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| 08:05.19 | unimatrix9 | hello there |
| 08:05.22 | casperr | the samba server seems to be running beautifully atm |
| 08:05.35 | casperr | but im just trying to decide which linux distro I should go with for my desktop PC |
| 08:05.37 | keoano | azeem: Kickban me, right? This is what is happening to Debian. It is being kickbanned Linux by Ubun tu. |
| 08:05.40 | casperr | I don't wanna use windows At all |
| 08:05.46 | mhymn_ | keoano: there is no '.ubu' too |
| 08:05.56 | unimatrix9 | is gtk-builder-convert an up to date package or should i use an other method to convert an .glade to .py? |
| 08:06.21 | unimatrix9 | actually an .xml from glade |
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| 08:06.48 | azeem | unimatrix9: sounds ok, but for a serious answer I suggest you ask in #gnome on gimpnet |
| 08:06.56 | unimatrix9 | ok thank you |
| 08:06.58 | keoano | mhymn_: the point is, why Adobe does not find it necessary to have a Debian installer when it has a .deb one for Ubuntu. |
| 08:07.44 | Aggro | keoano: Debian has more packages than Ubuntu. Packages that are not in Debian are pretty much closed source. |
| 08:07.53 | azeem | keoano: that's a good question, but not one which is on topic here |
| 08:08.02 | azeem | keoano: so please move this elsewhere |
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| 08:08.30 | keoano | FUCK YOU, STUPID SON-OF-A-BITCH. |
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| 08:09.00 | liable | such hostility for no good reason.. |
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| 08:11.13 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:14.15 | casperr | lulz |
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| 08:18.17 | arrenlex | I can't maximize gnome-terminal. It becomes a little bit smaller than the screen width and then minimizing or maximizing causes it to "bounce" to full size and back down a bit. The maximize icon always stays, it never changes to restore. |
| 08:18.25 | arrenlex | Does this happen for anyone else? Is it because I run kde? |
| 08:19.02 | Guerin | WTF would anyone ever maximise a terminal? |
| 08:19.12 | casperr | lol |
| 08:19.22 | Guerin | I guess it's a kde fuckup, but I wouldn't know. Might be worth askin in #kde or #debian-kde |
| 08:19.23 | liable | i do an my eee |
| 08:19.39 | arrenlex | Guerin: I always maximize my terminals. In which case wouldn't you? You get more display out of it. |
| 08:19.40 | Guerin | mm, i was thinking of getting an eee |
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| 08:20.23 | arrenlex | Guerin: I mean, I could edit a file in a 500x500 window and see my pretty desktop or some random firefox page around it, or I could maximize it and see more file. I think I would rather see more file. |
| 08:20.24 | Guerin | arrenlex: i don't need to see 160x59 terminals |
| 08:21.03 | Guerin | I work a bunch of overlapping windows, not just one big beast of a thing |
| 08:21.20 | liable | i mostly do it because of irssi. spilt windows with small cols and rows is the suck. lucky i have a decent screen on my main laptop |
| 08:21.21 | arrenlex | Guerin: Ah. I usually only have one major task I am doing. |
| 08:21.23 | gypsymauro | Hi, there is an howto on how to :) implement a ipsec solution on debian? I just found old documentation, I've etch |
| 08:21.32 | Guerin | ah, I don't split irssi |
| 08:21.41 | Guerin | arrenlex: i wish that were true |
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| 08:28.36 | mhymn_ | arrenlex: what don't you use konsole then? |
| 08:29.38 | arrenlex | mhymn_: I want the new tabs to be on the same path as the previous tab. With konsole, this is impossible. |
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| 08:30.23 | liable | so if you open a new one, it opens in the dir you have the last one in? |
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| 08:33.41 | mhymn_ | arrenlex: that's easier to fix imo, for example use alias or sth like that |
| 08:34.19 | arrenlex | liable: Correct. If I have cd'd to /foo/bar/baz, and I hit ctrl+tab, I want a new tab in /foo/bar/baz, not ~ like konsole does. |
| 08:34.33 | arrenlex | mhymn_: How would I use an alias to interact with the terminal emulator? |
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| 08:35.50 | mhymn_ | arrenlex: hmm, nothing :P |
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| 08:38.56 | mhymn_ | in fact alias would be useful if you always want to be in the same place, for example in /etc, but that's not what you want |
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| 08:44.23 | joeytwiddle | arrenlex: you could redirect 'cd' to your own script or function that saves the $PWD somewhere |
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| 08:45.01 | arrenlex | joeytwiddle: Okay, I have two tabs open. In tab 1, I cd to /foo. In tab 2, I cd to /bar. Then I go to tab 1 and create a new tab. |
| 08:45.03 | joeytwiddle | then in your .bashrc or .bash_profile (not sure which) you could 'cd' to the saved folder (if the terminal is a konsole which you just started) |
| 08:45.24 | arrenlex | joeytwiddle: Of course, my alias has no idea which tab I am in, so the new tab would end up in /bar. |
| 08:45.37 | joeytwiddle | oh gosh yeah |
| 08:45.54 | mhymn_ | arrenlex: what about the bookmark feature in konsole?! |
| 08:45.58 | joeytwiddle | mmmm you could see which /dev/tty was most recently accessed |
| 08:46.19 | joeytwiddle | i have a solution to this problem - i do xterm& and use fluxbox for the tabbing ;) |
| 08:46.19 | arrenlex | mhymn_: I looked at that but, as far as I understand, I would have to dig through the menus to create a new tab, right? |
| 08:46.47 | arrenlex | mhymn_: Whereas if I am working in the terminal, my hands are usually far from the mouse and I don't want to go through menus, I just want to hit ctrl+t. |
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| 08:47.10 | mhymn_ | i see |
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| 08:48.50 | arrenlex | Yeah, gnome-terminal resizes fine if I run metacity. Looks like kwin strikes again. :( |
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| 08:49.53 | joeytwiddle | this doesn't solve your problem, but there is a built-in to 'push' and 'pull' cwd, or some people do it with scripts |
| 08:50.35 | joeytwiddle | i have a dirhistory here, so i can just 'b foo' to get to the last foo folder i was in |
| 08:50.59 | arrenlex | joeytwiddle: Thanks for your advice, but honestly any solution we could come up with is almost certainly more of a pain than just re-cding into wherever I want to be. They tell me that konsole in kde 4.2 has this as the default, so I guess I'll just wait until it gets into squeeze. :) |
| 08:51.09 | joeytwiddle | heh |
| 08:51.41 | arrenlex | btw, what's happening to the 4 series? It's still just in experimental. How come it hasn't gotten into sid yet? |
| 08:52.16 | mhymn_ | because lenny hasn't released yet |
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| 08:53.13 | joeytwiddle | i've heard people say 4.0 is not really a fully finished DE, which would fit with my experience of 3.0 |
| 08:53.20 | and-enabled-tour | hi all, compiling alsa. how do i point alsa to modversions.h? |
| 08:53.29 | and-enabled-tour | i get error: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build/include/linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory when doing make |
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| 08:56.09 | arrenlex | joeytwiddle: That is correct, 4.0 is unusable. However, I have heard 4.1, which is the current stable, is much better, and 4.2 is in beta right now already. |
| 08:56.29 | joeytwiddle | ahh cool |
| 08:56.35 | arrenlex | mhymn_: Lenny not being released yet impact which packages get into unstable? |
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| 08:59.10 | mhymn_ | arrenlex: kde4 will be in sid after the release of lenny |
| 08:59.32 | xlotlu | how do you return to grub2's menu after running the console? |
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| 09:00.20 | tompaw | Hi |
| 09:01.25 | tompaw | What are the tasks defined in /etc/cron.d and why aren't they in ordinary users' crontabs? |
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| 09:03.15 | anddam | tompaw: maybe they are system-wide tasks |
| 09:03.39 | tompaw | anddam: thanks, already found this: http://beeznest.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/howto-use-the-etccron-infrastructure-on-debian/ |
| 09:04.18 | tompaw | one question - after modifying those files - is there a need to somehow reload cron? |
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| 09:08.21 | rage | Hello, is the a program that can monitor a file and output any appended information, sort of like cat filename, but it does not exit and continues to cat contents of the file as information is appended to the end? |
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| 09:09.04 | and-enabled-tour | rage: you can try "tail -f [file] |
| 09:09.17 | and-enabled-tour | that watches the file in realtime :) |
| 09:09.21 | arrenlex | rage: How about wall? |
| 09:09.35 | rage | I think tail -f is what I'm after, I'll take a look |
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| 09:10.05 | arrenlex | rage: Sorry, not wall, I was thinking of something else. |
| 09:10.09 | simonrvn | tompaw: no, it does it itself once saved. |
| 09:10.39 | rage | and-enabled-tour: Exactly what I am after, thank you muchly :-) |
| 09:11.13 | and-enabled-tour | rage you're welcome |
| 09:11.32 | tompaw | simonrvn: thank you |
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| 09:13.51 | casperr | anyone got a good guide for setting up SSH |
| 09:14.17 | casperr | I wanna be able to login to my server as my regular user, and be able to "su -" |
| 09:14.28 | casperr | basically, I wanna use my server without a monitor |
| 09:14.48 | arrenlex | casperr: sudo apt-get install openssh-server |
| 09:14.59 | arrenlex | casperr: <from other computer> ssh username@yourip |
| 09:15.13 | casperr | arrenlex: oh, its that easy ? |
| 09:15.15 | casperr | haha |
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| 09:15.39 | casperr | nice |
| 09:15.55 | casperr | arrenlex: btw, I don't use sudo |
| 09:16.05 | casperr | its a server, default lenny install |
| 09:16.15 | arrenlex | casperr: If you want to forbid the root account from logging in using ssh, you can disable that in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. |
| 09:16.21 | arrenlex | casperr: It's one line, change true to false. |
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| 09:16.35 | casperr | alright |
| 09:16.47 | casperr | arrenlex: thanks, but I want to allow the root user to login |
| 09:16.47 | casperr | haha |
| 09:17.10 | casperr | right now im installing arch on my desktop and setting up openssh on my server |
| 09:17.11 | casperr | lulz |
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| 09:18.26 | casperr | How do I change what daemons run on startup ? |
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| 09:18.54 | Firefishe | Running lenny 2.6.26-1-amd64. I've got the 64bit flash plugin `libflashplayer.so' from adobe.com. Where do I install it so it can be used system wide? |
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| 09:20.32 | casperr | shweeeet, the ssh server works |
| 09:20.32 | casperr | haha |
| 09:20.35 | arrenlex | !init.d | casperr |
| 09:20.53 | arrenlex | Ugh, I guess that doesn't work. |
| 09:20.54 | arrenlex | !init.d |
| 09:20.55 | dpkg | methinks init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x) |
| 09:21.20 | acemi | Firefishe: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ for iceweasel |
| 09:21.52 | blackball | !beef |
| 09:21.52 | dpkg | hmm... beef is what's for dinner. dead cow, or mad, or tasty |
| 09:22.04 | and-enabled-tour | casper: you ould also try sysv-rc-conf. that gives all daemons for all runlevel, you can check/uncehck them |
| 09:22.11 | Firefishe | mad! I *must* have mad cow |
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| 09:22.13 | Firefishe | ! |
| 09:22.28 | Firefishe | acemi: thanks. |
| 09:22.34 | acemi | np |
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| 09:24.01 | casperr | arrenlex: I /msg'd dpkg and got it privatly :P |
| 09:24.40 | arrenlex | casperr: Yeah. Anyway, and-enabled-tour's suggestion is probably better; my suggestion applies to making new boot services yourself. |
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| 09:26.03 | casperr | wurd alright |
| 09:26.14 | casperr | well im sure ssh is automatically added to the boot services list anyways |
| 09:26.27 | arrenlex | casperr: Yes, it adds an init.d entry. |
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| 09:26.53 | gypsymauro | what's the best way to create a ipsec tunnel? swan or racoon? |
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| 09:29.12 | Firefishe | acemi: Flash won't play sound in iceweasel. I'm using OSS (alsa doesn't work for me yet, on 32 bit either). I'm trying to bind the volume in iceweasel flash on youtube to OSS. |
| 09:29.53 | acemi | Firefishe: I use alsa on 32 bit and it works |
| 09:30.15 | Firefishe | I'm 64 bit and it's specific to my hardware |
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| 09:30.29 | Firefishe | I'm using the OSS binary from opensound.com |
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| 09:31.32 | Firefishe | my laptop is an asus g50v-x1. It's got an Intel 82801I (IH9) hd sound system...doesn't work correctly with alsa |
| 09:31.43 | Firefishe | ALC663 codec |
| 09:32.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hey, I'm having kind of a weird problem; I'm running 2.6.26 on a machine with potentially iffy hardware support (It was as slow as molasses until I updated the BIOS, now it seems stable except for this issue) |
| 09:32.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | Portmap takes like 8-15 minutes to shut down |
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| 09:32.54 | adhawkins | Can someone recommend a version for a debian package of a package who's upstream version is a release candidate? |
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| 09:33.16 | adhawkins | I'm packaging some of my own software, it's currently at v1.1-RC1 |
| 09:33.35 | azeem | 1.1~rc1 |
| 09:33.49 | adhawkins | And will that look 'older' than 1.1 when 1.1 comes out? |
| 09:34.03 | azeem | yes |
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| 09:34.10 | adhawkins | Excellent, thanks for that. |
| 09:35.25 | adhawkins | Is that documented somewhere? Been looking for some 'advice' |
| 09:35.32 | adhawkins | Would like something I can bookmark for future reference. |
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| 09:46.12 | themill | adhawkins: yes, it's documented in debian policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 09:46.47 | adhawkins | Thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 09:48.03 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question. I'm actually try to installed the nvidia driver But I'm getting an error while installing it. with m-a Is a compiled kernel. which i got from kernel.org |
| 09:48.09 | TiMiDo | can someone help me out? |
| 09:48.23 | d4rkm4x | hola timido |
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| 09:48.35 | TiMiDo | hola d4rkm4x |
| 09:48.40 | d4rkm4x | yo te habia visto es ubuntu es |
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| 09:49.04 | d4rkm4x | cual es tu problema? |
| 09:49.14 | themill | d4rkm4x: /join #ubuntu-es |
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| 09:49.35 | TiMiDo | themill, ubuntu-es or debian-es? |
| 09:49.52 | rage | Mmmm, weird problem, "tail -n 1 -F logfile.log | cut -c 20- " will produce output, however (for example) "tail -n 1 -F logfile.log | cut -c 20- | cat " produces no output |
| 09:49.59 | themill | TiMiDo: I'm guessing here.... my Spanish isn't that good |
| 09:50.15 | TiMiDo | themill, is not about spanish. is about confusing debian with ubuntu that's just sucked |
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| 09:50.30 | rage | How can a `command` produce output, but `command | cat` produce no output? |
| 09:50.37 | rage | :-S |
| 09:51.06 | d4rkm4x | Timido yo solo te decia que te habia visto por alli, nada mas |
| 09:51.31 | TiMiDo | d4rkm4x, hablemos en #debian-es |
| 09:51.32 | themill | TiMiDo: yeah... one leap of logic too far. I should practice my spanish more! |
| 09:51.45 | d4rkm4x | ok |
| 09:52.30 | aronofsky | Hi, im using a debian machine as a routeur and it seems for a reason or another that my traffic is stuck around 100 Mb wheras interface is in 1Gb ... i was wondering , is there some system config that could imply such a restriction ? kernel option ? Anything ... I check everything on the network level and it seems in 1Gb on both side so i dont really get it |
| 09:53.15 | TiMiDo | aronofsky, try reading an iptables howto |
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| 09:53.29 | themill | adhawkins: the canonical way to test versions is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true |
| 09:53.43 | aronofsky | TiMiDo: what should I look for exactly ? |
| 09:53.54 | TiMiDo | aronofsky, about iptables rules =) |
| 09:54.08 | TiMiDo | actually explains how to open up a port. and block traffic and such |
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| 09:55.30 | aronofsky | TiMiDo: my problem is not here, my blocking/NAT/Forwarding rules are OK, I just get a limitation that shouldn't happen and I try to understand what can be the origin of that |
| 09:55.38 | pivot_ | using software licenced under GPL, i do not need to make modifications public when i just make them into the software to use it, true? so just when i want to redistribute it? |
| 09:56.05 | adhawkins | themill: Excellent, that's very useful! |
| 09:56.07 | adhawkins | Thanks for that. |
| 09:56.13 | rage | As far as I know pivot_, if its just for your own use, then yes |
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| 09:57.09 | pivot_ | well but what if other people use it as well? just for example, some client-software - i'd need to make some modifications to make it work in my environment. so i do not want to make my API or something public just because the client's licence requires that |
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| 09:57.36 | adhawkins | Another question regarding packaging. I'm using $(shlibs:Depends) in my dependencies line, and then adding in a specifc version of one particular library |
| 09:57.54 | adhawkins | This generates a warning. Will it do the right thing? |
| 09:57.56 | adhawkins | The warning is: |
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| 09:58.03 | adhawkins | W: flactag: package-has-a-duplicate-relation depends: libflac++6, libflac++6 (>= 1.2.1) |
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| 09:58.22 | adhawkins | What I mean is, will it correctly look for a version of libflac++6 that is >1.2.1? |
| 09:58.31 | rage | I'm not an authority on this, so it would probably be good to confirm this. But as I understand it any binaries you distribute must have the source provided with them or upon request. |
| 09:58.49 | rage | Since your not distributing it, I dont see it as a requirement to distribute the source |
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| 09:59.16 | pivot_ | yes, i thought so too - thanks |
| 09:59.42 | themill | adhawkins: you want stuff to be lintian clean anyway. (I don't know the answer to your question though). You might also want to /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 10:00.11 | adhawkins | The only other option I see is to manually specify all the libraries (things like libc etc.) |
| 10:00.16 | adhawkins | I was hoping to avoid that if I could. |
| 10:00.37 | adhawkins | This package is never intended to make it to Debian 'proper' by the way, just building it as a service to people that use my software. |
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| 10:03.03 | Wiz_KeeD | can someone tell me how i can change the user privileges on a folder? |
| 10:03.19 | Phoenix78 | I installed Debian, but what is the easiest way to add iptables/firewall to my setup ? I have the fw script. I'm used to redhat type linux, and there I have /etc/init.d/iptables script to start/stop/save it, and it automatically starts at boot. |
| 10:03.42 | Phoenix78 | Wiz_KeeD: chmod u(g)(o)+priv <folder> |
| 10:04.01 | Wiz_KeeD | type exactly that and just change the folder name? |
| 10:04.15 | Phoenix78 | Wiz_KeeD: chmod ug+rwx <folder> will give read,write,execute. x needs to be there for folder |
| 10:04.28 | Phoenix78 | ugo=user, group, other. |
| 10:04.31 | Wiz_KeeD | i need execute the most |
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| 10:05.34 | Wiz_KeeD | i still can't execute |
| 10:05.36 | Wiz_KeeD | only as root |
| 10:05.42 | Wiz_KeeD | and the application denyes execution as root |
| 10:06.08 | Phoenix78 | type ls -l and give me the user privs for the folder |
| 10:06.33 | Phoenix78 | might not have anything to do with the privs for folder, but for the file. And it might be the application that denies you to run as root |
| 10:06.45 | themill | Wiz_KeeD: you'll need to pastebin the exact command you give and the error message. Also the output of "ls -la" in that directory and the output of "mount". |
| 10:06.51 | themill | !pastebin |
| 10:06.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 10:09.59 | vmt | Hello .) I wnat todo ascript wich should generate a mail with attachment. Can not find an information how todo this with "mail" . Can someone help? |
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| 10:11.25 | Phoenix78 | vmt: you might want to try something else than mail. mutt can send attachments |
| 10:13.06 | simonrvn | i seem to remember doing that with mail too, a long time ago.... |
| 10:13.12 | vmt | okay, mutt but I have interaction and I need a automation with no interaction |
| 10:13.31 | simonrvn | it probably just was mutt, though =) |
| 10:13.41 | simonrvn | it doesn't have to be interactive. |
| 10:13.43 | Wiz_KeeD | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 11601 2008-12-04 22:55 execution-file |
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| 10:13.53 | Wiz_KeeD | :( |
| 10:14.01 | Wiz_KeeD | sorry i was away |
| 10:14.07 | Wiz_KeeD | morning freshup |
| 10:14.12 | simonrvn | so? only root can run it. |
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| 10:14.21 | Wiz_KeeD | and i need to run it as another user |
| 10:14.24 | Wiz_KeeD | any user except root |
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| 10:14.59 | Wiz_KeeD | any suggestion on that? |
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| 10:15.14 | simonrvn | is this an installed - i.e. debian-installed - binary? |
| 10:15.26 | Wiz_KeeD | yes why? |
| 10:15.34 | Wiz_KeeD | installed it as root |
| 10:15.37 | Wiz_KeeD | big mistake |
| 10:15.41 | Wiz_KeeD | shouldn't have done it |
| 10:15.54 | Wiz_KeeD | can i fix it or should i rerun the teadious task of reinstalling? |
| 10:16.26 | simonrvn | it's gonna get overwritten next update it gets. you'd have to use dpkg-statoverride |
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| 10:16.39 | Wiz_KeeD | i don't know what that means |
| 10:16.58 | Wiz_KeeD | can't i just allow other users to execute a damn execution file ffs? |
| 10:17.13 | Wiz_KeeD | has to be a retarded operating system if you can't use just that |
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| 10:18.06 | TiMiDo | hey anyone in here are using the Nvidia drivers? |
| 10:18.09 | TiMiDo | that can give me a hand? |
| 10:18.18 | simonrvn | instead of of swearing you could just read the manual. sheesh. |
| 10:18.25 | vmt | okay trying mutt in the script... |
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| 10:18.32 | vmt | thanks! |
| 10:18.48 | Wiz_KeeD | yeah...thank you for the much needed help! |
| 10:19.06 | simonrvn | and the sarcasm... |
| 10:19.12 | TiMiDo | darn it |
| 10:19.45 | simonrvn | TiMiDo: just ask. you know the routine by now |
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| 10:20.19 | TiMiDo | right simonrvn I'm having issued while installing my nvidia module with m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source I actually Installed a new kernel from kernel.org and compiled it. but it seems that i cannot get it. |
| 10:20.22 | TiMiDo | to work |
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| 10:22.00 | simonrvn | you need to build and install the kernel first, then build the module. it won't work otherwise. |
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| 10:22.41 | TiMiDo | i did simonrvn and i also did installed the kernel. sources |
| 10:23.03 | TiMiDo | or headers |
| 10:23.05 | simonrvn | you need the headers for that kernel installed too |
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| 10:23.14 | TiMiDo | i did that also simonrvn |
| 10:23.23 | fasta | I have keycode 94 = Shift_L in my .xmodmaprc, but when I press that button and a letter then I don't get a capital letter. Why not? |
| 10:23.34 | simonrvn | which is why it's recommended to use k-p for this sort of thing |
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| 10:24.55 | simonrvn | i just run modules_image after i've built the kernel and headers, and have a modules symlink in my source tree |
| 10:25.16 | TiMiDo | simonrvn, you want me to pastebin the output from the nvidia-kernel-source installer? |
| 10:25.32 | simonrvn | the error log would be more helpful |
| 10:25.55 | Wiz_KeeD | simonrvn before you judge other people by the lack of their gratitude why don't you freshen up on your manners and actually give some usefull help that can be provided in a matter of secconds instead beeing here just to criticise and tell people go read the manual on your lack of knowledge or brain capacity |
| 10:25.57 | Wiz_KeeD | http://pastebin.com/d41520184 |
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| 10:26.39 | Wiz_KeeD | and wouldn't you know...<printf> Wiz_KeeD, you are very welcome |
| 10:26.43 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/1276756 there it is simonrvn |
| 10:26.49 | Wiz_KeeD | they are also polite,who would have guessed? |
| 10:27.36 | simonrvn | this isn't the debian package for the source of that driver. |
| 10:27.51 | TiMiDo | also this one simonrvn http://pastebin.ca/1276757 |
| 10:28.06 | TiMiDo | that's the one simonrvn =) |
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| 10:29.20 | Wiz_KeeD | glad we agreed then! |
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| 10:29.29 | hs | If I ssh to 127.0.0.1 and export DISPLAY to localhost:0, shouldn't applications I run via that ssh session be ran through the local x-server? |
| 10:29.32 | fasta | Solved it already. |
| 10:29.42 | simonrvn | um, what's the problem exactly? |
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| 10:29.51 | TiMiDo | simonrvn, talking to me? |
| 10:30.02 | simonrvn | hs: localhost:0.0 |
| 10:30.05 | xoz | hs: use ssh -X |
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| 10:30.24 | TiMiDo | simonrvn, there is the error http://pastebin.ca/1276757 |
| 10:30.32 | simonrvn | using -X would be better... |
| 10:30.37 | hs | Thanks. |
| 10:30.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | How do you set NIC priority in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:30.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | ? |
| 10:31.00 | simonrvn | TiMiDo: yes, i saw it. it seems to build fine. you don't see your .deb in .. ? |
| 10:31.28 | TiMiDo | nope |
| 10:31.29 | xoz | Blast_Hardcheese: i think it has to do which module is loaded first |
| 10:31.52 | simonrvn | line 340: dpkg-deb: building package `nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686' in `/usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686_173.14.09-5+2.6.26-10_i386.deb'. |
| 10:32.12 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 10:32.23 | TiMiDo | but I'm building from another kernel which i compiled my self |
| 10:32.28 | TiMiDo | 2.6.27.7 |
| 10:32.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | xoz: I see; I've got them set up in the order I want them in; The main issue is that when dhclient runs on a device it creates a new gateway in route, eth0 always ends up being the default gw |
| 10:32.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | which fucks up routing |
| 10:33.05 | simonrvn | then you're in the wrong build dir, or m-a is reading your current kernel, and using that to build from |
| 10:33.18 | xoz | Blast_Hardcheese: add gw option in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:33.23 | TiMiDo | simonrvn, ? |
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| 10:33.57 | Blast_Hardcheese | xoz: Ah, of course. |
| 10:34.09 | simonrvn | where are you when you run the m-a command? what's `pwd`? |
| 10:34.22 | simonrvn | what's uname -r ? |
| 10:34.35 | TiMiDo | 2.6.27.7 |
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| 10:35.58 | simonrvn | and PWD? |
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| 10:36.17 | TiMiDo | /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7 |
| 10:37.08 | simonrvn | *blink* |
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| 10:37.36 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 10:37.47 | TiMiDo | i don't know simonrvn |
| 10:38.01 | simonrvn | try running make-kpkg instead... use modules_image target |
| 10:38.29 | TiMiDo | make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image |
| 10:38.31 | TiMiDo | like that simonrvn ? |
| 10:38.35 | simonrvn | and make that symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7; i.e. ln -s ../modules . |
| 10:38.52 | simonrvn | no need for kernel_image you already have it |
| 10:39.28 | TiMiDo | hmmm okey. |
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| 10:40.11 | TiMiDo | simonrvn, i believed is building the nvidia driver right now. perhaps. let me make sure though |
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| 10:42.44 | simonrvn | i guess he's rebooting to it... |
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| 10:47.48 | drasko | Hi all. I installed flash plugin, but each page with flash is giving me frame with "play" button to start flash manually. Where can I set this to be started automatically? |
| 10:47.57 | themill | Wiz_KeeD: If you were at all coherent in your explanation of what was going on, we would have been able to help you. Note that you asked a different question in the other channel. You also told us that you *couldn't* execute it as root either and that it was a binary installed from a debian package; neither of these would seem to be correct. You also failed miserably at answering our questions when trying to help you. |
| 10:48.37 | Wiz_KeeD | way to go on the response time |
| 10:48.53 | Wiz_KeeD | i pasted the the ls -l on the exe file so you should have known |
| 10:48.58 | Wiz_KeeD | anyway it doesn't matter |
| 10:49.14 | themill | Wiz_KeeD: would you preferred to receive a good old fashioned larting earlier than that? |
| 10:49.25 | Wiz_KeeD | i won't say anything since i don't want to be assaulted again by...dinner or tommorow |
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| 10:58.17 | and-enabled-tour | hi all, compiling alsa. how do i point alsa to modversions.h? |
| 10:58.17 | and-enabled-tour | i get error: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build/include/linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory when doing make |
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| 10:58.29 | and-enabled-tour | modversions.h is on my system though |
| 10:58.51 | and-enabled-tour | it;s here: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686/include/config/modversions.h |
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| 11:00.46 | joeytwiddle | and-enabled-tour: one dirty solution would be: ln -s config linux |
| 11:00.52 | joeytwiddle | if the linux folder doesn't already exist |
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| 11:02.56 | and-enabled-tour | ah i get it. i haven't installed a custom kernel yet, so that'w why it's in another place, right? i'll just try it to compile, thanks! |
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| 11:20.59 | deebo | anyone know what package includes the print dialog in Gnome? |
| 11:21.16 | deebo | using testing debian and the print dialog is for some reason now missing the color/b&w choice |
| 11:21.38 | deebo | and its expensive to print in color :p |
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| 11:34.04 | ubuntoil | Hi, is there a debian boot cd ? (CD that enable computer to boot on USB) |
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| 11:35.54 | Spida | ubuntoil: there are several |
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| 11:36.39 | Spida | ubuntoil: I like grml (which is a debian based distribution for command-line users) (http://www.grml.org) very much |
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| 11:37.26 | ubuntoil | Spida: are we both talking about these cd that redirect boot on a usb drive for computer not able to do it by themselves..?? |
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| 11:41.23 | Spida | ubuntoil: grml can do that, too. |
| 11:41.52 | trumpen` | Even though I can record both from /dev/dsp and alsa hw:0,0, when an adobe flash application tries to do the same, the result is just silence. What's wrong with it? |
| 11:44.24 | yang | what replaces flahplugin-nonfree in testing ? |
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| 11:48.33 | metaperl | How would I restart tomcat using /etc/init.d ? |
| 11:48.55 | SlayerXP | metaperl: what have you tried? |
| 11:49.08 | metaperl | I tried asking here :) |
| 11:49.22 | SlayerXP | metaperl: try harder. |
| 11:50.09 | SlayerXP | if the first thing you tried was "jumping on irc and asking for help" then your problem solving procedure is badly broken |
| 11:50.35 | metaperl | SlayerXP: point taken. |
| 11:50.56 | yang | metaperl: /etc/init.d/tomcat restart ? |
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| 11:52.39 | metaperl | yang: thank you very much |
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| 11:54.32 | arctanx | metaperl: To understand why that works I would suggest looking at 11.5 in the debian FAQ: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html |
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| 11:54.57 | metaperl | ok arctanx |
| 11:55.46 | arctanx | don't worry about the first two paragraphs if they don't make sense, but the bottom part talks about init.d |
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| 11:59.30 | jintxo | hi guys, looking to get smtp auth working with postfix and I have been recommended to use saslauthd as well as reading a bunch of guides about saslauthd too. even debian specific guides. I can't seem to find that package, has it been removed from debian (etch)? |
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| 12:03.18 | rhineheart_m | hello.. can anybody here point to me a good comparison between 32bit and 64 bit versions of debian? My machine support 64 bit. Just wondering.. :) |
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| 12:04.26 | marcin | :-) |
| 12:04.31 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: If you need support for more than 3GB of memory, use 64 bit, if not, use 32 bit. Unless you are doing development where you need to test with 32 bit. |
| 12:04.49 | Aggro | testi with 64 bit I mean |
| 12:05.48 | rhineheart_m | Aggro, if I have only 1512 MB of RAM... do you think it is a good idea to use 64 bit? |
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| 12:06.19 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: What value do you think you would get from it? |
| 12:07.04 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: Some applications might be faster, some might be slower. Most applications would need more memory. |
| 12:07.08 | rhineheart_m | Aggro, that's why I'm asking here (by first-hand experience) comparing the two |
| 12:07.41 | rhineheart_m | Aggro, by the way.. that's for server. No GUI |
| 12:07.56 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: If the application is goind a lot of calculation using 64 bit variables, it could be faster. |
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| 12:08.15 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: Are you planning on adding more memory to it some day? |
| 12:08.26 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: Over 3 GB |
| 12:09.07 | Aggro | 32 bit systems can in theory support only about 4GB of memory, in practise that is something like 3GB. That is the biggest reason to move to 64 bit. |
| 12:09.24 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: Other reason is a specific application which does a lot of 64 bit calculations. |
| 12:09.32 | tarzeau | you can also use 8 gb of memorywith a 32 bit system |
| 12:09.35 | tarzeau | just not per process |
| 12:09.53 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: I can't think of any other reasons. |
| 12:10.18 | rhineheart_m | but is it okay to just 64 bit in just that memory mentioned? |
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| 12:11.08 | Aggro | rhineheart_m: Of course you can use 64 bit with that memory. It could work okay, most likely just a little slower. |
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| 12:15.22 | baracus | Hi there! |
| 12:15.45 | baracus | I fighting with umask, but seems he's winning by now :( |
| 12:16.06 | petemc | time to unleash level 7 documentation on him |
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| 12:16.24 | baracus | I need to set permissions in a directory, so that new files created keep with 0002 umask |
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| 12:16.36 | baracus | I already did umask 0002 |
| 12:16.44 | petemc | 004 |
| 12:16.48 | petemc | umask is subtractive |
| 12:17.01 | petemc | wait, 664, even |
| 12:17.05 | baracus | but, files get written with -rw-rw-r-- |
| 12:17.14 | baracus | yes |
| 12:17.41 | baracus | but I need it to be 0002 umasked'/775 chmoded |
| 12:17.49 | baracus | any idea why this happens? |
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| 12:19.21 | drasko | Hi all. I installed flash plugin, but each page with flash is giving me frame with "play" button to start flash manually. Where can I set this to be started automatically? |
| 12:19.37 | baracus | petemc: what you mean with "umask is substractive" ? |
| 12:19.57 | Aggro | drasko: What browser? |
| 12:20.05 | drasko | Aggro, Iceweasel |
| 12:20.08 | drasko | Debian |
| 12:20.19 | Aggro | drasko: Do you have extensions? Like Flashblock? |
| 12:20.38 | Aggro | Add-ons nowadays I think |
| 12:20.49 | yang | drasko: i thinkthat is the default option i get that too |
| 12:20.50 | drasko | Aggro, where to check this? |
| 12:21.06 | Aggro | tools -> add-ons from the browser menu bar |
| 12:21.06 | petemc | !tell baracus about umask |
| 12:21.56 | craigevil | the play button has to do with the video, most youtube videos just play, a lot of other sites uses the play button |
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| 12:23.19 | yang | Aggro: there are no option for setting the add-on |
| 12:23.53 | baracus | petemc: It doesn't say anything I already knew. But, unfortunatelly seems to be not good enough |
| 12:24.05 | Aggro | yang: What do you mean? There is no options "Add-ons" in the menu? |
| 12:24.07 | esben | baracus, looking at the manpage of umask it will set your creation mask to "mask & 0777" so a mask of 0002 would become equivalent with 0664 (i think) |
| 12:24.14 | drasko | Aggro, no blocking, just Shockwave Flash under plugins |
| 12:24.22 | yang | Aggro: yes it is, but only ENABLE/DISABLE the flash plugin |
| 12:24.27 | yang | no other params |
| 12:24.37 | esben | insert a "chmod" before 0664 |
| 12:24.41 | drasko | Every frame with flash is blocked with play button. Will not start until I press play. |
| 12:25.01 | Aggro | In the extensions-page |
| 12:25.12 | Misterjos | what do you guys recommend for a good feed reader? i use normally liferea, but it clogs my internet connection and crashes a lot, are there better options? |
| 12:25.17 | drasko | no extension |
| 12:25.24 | Aggro | Ok, then I can't help you. |
| 12:25.48 | baracus | esben: uhmm |
| 12:26.26 | baracus | esben: then, there's no way in which I could set a 0775 to a file :\ |
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| 12:29.24 | drasko | where to find flash player. I want to remove it manually, because Iceweasel is still seeing it, although I purged flash-plugin-non-free |
| 12:29.48 | mhymn_ | Misterjos: http://tinyurl.com/6ez5zq |
| 12:31.14 | craigevil | did you restart iceweasel after removing it |
| 12:31.52 | mhymn_ | drasko: find / | grep -i flashplayer |
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| 12:34.21 | esben | baracus, i don't know but im not able to at least.. |
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| 12:35.50 | drasko | mhymn_, no results |
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| 12:36.42 | baracus | esben: thanks anyway |
| 12:37.04 | drasko | though looking for flash retrieved: /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 12:37.07 | esben | baracus, actually i was wrong in my initial statement...it should be 775 but in practice on my machine it is 664....which i dont really get. |
| 12:37.10 | drasko | is this safe to remove? |
| 12:37.38 | drasko | and this one: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so |
| 12:38.01 | mhymn_ | drasko: try moving them somewhere else instead of removing |
| 12:38.08 | esben | baracus, Wikipedia sasys something about most unix systems not allowing creation of files with execute permissions regardless of umask settings |
| 12:38.16 | baracus | esben: that's exaclty what I'm experimenting. |
| 12:38.31 | esben | baracus, so maybe its just a "feature" |
| 12:38.35 | baracus | esben: oh! damn |
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| 12:39.02 | baracus | esben: then, it starts to make sense |
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| 12:39.34 | baracus | esben: that's why +x isn't set to any, owner/group/others |
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| 12:46.03 | esben | baracus, it is most likely an issue with the "application" |
| 12:47.19 | esben | baracus, as far as i can tell umask turns off permissions, so the "maximum" of the application is what is used and not 0777 as the man page explains (man page is about the C function not the shell builtin command) |
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| 12:47.48 | esben | So i guess if you choose to do it in a C program it would work. |
| 12:48.10 | drasko | hi all, I have problem with apt-getting flash-plugin-nonfree. Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m1ac89cdf |
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| 12:49.18 | baracus | esben: yes, I realized about that too, but it's edited by shell commands, so, it wont set it on +x :/ |
| 12:49.54 | drasko | how to purge .deb package from the apt-get cache? |
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| 12:50.13 | esben | baracus, can't you just chmod it after creation? |
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| 12:51.55 | drasko | is this safe to remove by issuing "rm": /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 12:52.09 | drasko | or apt-get has some list of these internally |
| 12:52.16 | TiMiDo | drasko, it is. |
| 12:52.16 | drasko | or example this: |
| 12:52.25 | baracus | esben: Would have to do that, I'm afraid. but it's not me who will create files |
| 12:52.25 | drasko | /var/cache/apt/archives/flashplugin-nonfree_1%3a1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb |
| 12:52.29 | TiMiDo | drasko, just get it from. the adobe website the plugin |
| 12:52.42 | TiMiDo | drasko, for that just used apt-get --purge remove flashplayer-nonfree |
| 12:52.44 | baracus | s/to do/to ask doing/ |
| 12:52.45 | drasko | TiMiDo, why not apt-getting it? |
| 12:53.04 | drasko | TiMiDo, I did |
| 12:53.10 | drasko | but it remained |
| 12:53.10 | TiMiDo | drasko, i believed. is a broken. package. |
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| 12:53.42 | TiMiDo | drasko, who cares. |
| 12:53.51 | TiMiDo | if you removed it. is no problem |
| 12:54.15 | drasko | TiMiDo, so, apt-get --purge remove is not working correctly. Should I then remove /var/cache/apt/archives/flashplugin-nonfree_1%3a1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb manually? |
| 12:54.28 | drasko | There will be no side problems for apt-get |
| 12:54.29 | drasko | ? |
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| 12:55.24 | cusco | no |
| 12:55.29 | cusco | --purge purges conf files |
| 12:55.30 | drasko | tnx |
| 12:55.34 | cusco | not the cached package |
| 12:55.38 | cusco | apt-get autoclean |
| 12:55.44 | drasko | even better\ |
| 12:55.45 | drasko | ;) |
| 12:55.46 | cusco | will remove uninstalled cached packages |
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| 12:56.52 | drasko | cusco, /var/cache/apt/archives/flashplugin-nonfree_1%3a1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb remained after autoclean |
| 12:57.01 | cusco | is it installed? |
| 12:57.05 | drasko | nope |
| 12:57.07 | drasko | purged |
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| 12:57.46 | cusco | drasko: apt-get clean |
| 12:58.07 | TiMiDo | compiling the alsa drivers. |
| 12:58.16 | drasko | cusco, cool |
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| 12:58.23 | drasko | that solved it |
| 12:58.39 | cusco | autoclean will only remove packages taht are no longer on the server |
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| 13:05.41 | Gun_Smoke | Does lennys installer offer to encrypt the entire installation? |
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| 13:11.13 | cast | Gun_Smoke: yes. so does etch. |
| 13:11.31 | Gun_Smoke | cast, thanks.. |
| 13:11.33 | felipeborges | hi guys! my apt-get does not work.... |
| 13:11.38 | cast | Gun_Smoke: it's not quite entire, albeit, MBR and /boot are plaintext, out of neccessity, no impact on security. |
| 13:11.44 | felipeborges | partly... |
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| 13:12.05 | hjb | http://paste.debian.net/22921/ |
| 13:12.29 | hjb | Can someone explain that error message? |
| 13:12.30 | Gun_Smoke | I really only care about the meat and potatoes. I'm getting ready to move back into the barracks. |
| 13:12.31 | cast | uses pgp ^_^ |
| 13:12.37 | felipeborges | the answer to: apt-get update is: "/usr/lib/apt/methods/mirror" |
| 13:12.41 | hjb | It's from mutt while reading a signed mail |
| 13:13.07 | felipeborges | "E: The driver of the method / usr / lib / apt / methods / mirror can not be found." |
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| 13:15.02 | felipeborges | I can install programs ... but can not: update and upgrade |
| 13:15.11 | zibri | hjb: on every signed mail? |
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| 13:15.51 | jelly | felipeborges: do you have apt-mirror installed? |
| 13:16.10 | jelly | felipeborges: dpkg -S /usr/lib/apt/methods/mirror ? |
| 13:16.10 | hjb | zibri haven't tested |
| 13:16.17 | hjb | zibri wait.. |
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| 13:18.39 | hjb | zibri hmmph, i've only got the one signed mail in my mailboxes |
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| 13:19.56 | zibri | hjb: i haven't much experience with S/MIME, so i don't think I can help you.. sorry |
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| 13:20.35 | hjb | zibri ok, i've found other signed mails in another account |
| 13:20.41 | onetinsoldier | hello. i added sid and experimental to my sources.list, made a /etc/preferences file that pinned lenny at a priority of 900, sid at priority of 500, and experimental at 101. then i ran 'aptitude update', and then fired up aptitude. i didn't like the weird chars i got in Eterm as text borders in Eterm. so i exited out of aptitude. |
| 13:20.53 | hjb | problem is only with S/MIME, PGP signed mails work fine |
| 13:21.16 | onetinsoldier | then i started up aptitude in an rxvt, and now it just hangs there without fully starting up |
| 13:21.19 | hjb | however, i've got a slightly different message on this account: 12264:error:21075075:PKCS7 routines:PKCS7_verify:certificate verify error:pk7_smime.c:245:Verify error:unable to get local issuer |
| 13:21.20 | hjb | +certificate |
| 13:21.43 | hjb | seems there's some certificate missing or something |
| 13:21.48 | onetinsoldier | anyone know what might be wrong there? |
| 13:22.01 | zibri | hjb: i really have no experiance with S/MIME, so this may be far off, but do you need som kind of SSL-certs? |
| 13:22.29 | hjb | zibri i think so |
| 13:22.55 | hjb | but no idea which ones |
| 13:23.08 | hjb | or if there's something else wrong with my setup |
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| 13:26.52 | onetinsoldier | ok, nvm my problem. aptitude is working/displaying fine in a console term. i don't know what it's issue is atm while in X |
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| 13:28.09 | onetinsoldier | weird.. switching between X and console also fixed aptitude's problem in X |
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| 13:29.22 | Firefishe | Heya onetin :) |
| 13:29.33 | Agiofws | hello |
| 13:29.43 | Firefishe | hello Agiofws |
| 13:30.46 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, howdy! |
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| 13:31.12 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I'm trying to get google earth to work :) |
| 13:31.33 | Firefishe | 64 bit compile is giving me some troubles...this is called fun :) |
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| 13:31.40 | Firefishe | loves troubleshooting |
| 13:32.40 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, cool, i definitely hope you can get it working! because i would like to have that going here as well. if you get it working then you can tell me how you did it.. hehe. |
| 13:33.03 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you're compiling it from source? |
| 13:33.06 | cast | my paranoia of closed sourced things prevents me installing google earth, but it sure is a neat app :) |
| 13:33.36 | Firefishe | http://rafb.net/p/HMjuYB30.html is my error output. |
| 13:34.03 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, if you love troubleshooting why don't you run sid? :=P |
| 13:34.03 | Firefishe | It auto downloads it and auto-compiles it then turns it into a .deb....problem is, it won't load right., |
| 13:34.18 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I'm not that die heard, and I *want* this machine to run. |
| 13:34.19 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 13:34.26 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, haha |
| 13:34.28 | Firefishe | I finally got my flash/sound issues taken care of. |
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| 13:35.06 | Firefishe | #oss people were very helpful there. I'm going to compile oss in a bit, after google earth. That's what I'm doing today. Compiling. |
| 13:35.19 | petemc | unlucky |
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| 13:36.34 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, sounds very cool |
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| 13:37.44 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: yeah. using mercurial (hg) |
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| 13:38.25 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i am about to try and install kde4 from experimental. there is a backports version made just for lenny, but i didn't like the looks of seemingly mia package names. so i decided to go with the instructions given by www.kde.org for installing on debian lenny |
| 13:38.29 | Firefishe | The howto is straightforward. |
| 13:38.50 | Firefishe | always get it straight from the source. |
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| 13:39.00 | Firefishe | pun intended :P *duck/cover* |
| 13:39.24 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
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| 13:44.01 | Firefishe | When loading googleearth, I get this short error: usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 13:46.26 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, try apt-file search libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 13:46.50 | onetinsoldier | answer is... libglib2.0-0 |
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| 13:47.24 | theme | hi |
| 13:47.24 | theme | how to add a new user |
| 13:47.28 | theme | via ssh/remotely |
| 13:47.28 | petemc | adduser |
| 13:47.28 | theme | in debian? |
| 13:47.34 | theme | adduser username password? |
| 13:47.38 | theme | or how? |
| 13:47.47 | Lagbolt | !enter |
| 13:47.47 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 13:47.47 | asg | man adduser |
| 13:47.49 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: It's already installed, googleearth's build process isn't detecting the proper library paths. |
| 13:48.23 | hugh_SH | i want to set my linux OS to display chinese correctly(without X & kde installed), i know i need to set the export LANG and export LC_TYPE. my question is "how to install chinese fonts" so that the terminal can display chinese. please help me, i have googled but haven't found any useful advice. tks a lot |
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| 13:52.07 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, use the ldd command on the google earth binary.. where is it expecting to find the lib? |
| 13:52.16 | mhymn_ | hugh_SH: #debian-cn ? |
| 13:52.27 | scientes | how do i set ipv6 and ipv4 networking on a single interface in /etc/network.interfaces? |
| 13:52.42 | scientes | i tried using eth0, eth0:1 and that didnt work |
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| 13:53.17 | onetinsoldier | scientes, isn't that set up in the /etc/hosts file? |
| 13:53.37 | scientes | for what the interfaceses static ip is |
| 13:54.29 | petemc | scientes: how is your ipv6 provided? |
| 13:54.32 | naeu | If (on attempting to apt-get install build-essential) it reports that it depends on g++(>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed what does that generally mean? |
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| 13:54.36 | Firefishe | I keep getting error messages, says it's not a dynamic executable |
| 13:54.56 | scientes | he tunnel broker |
| 13:55.04 | scientes | its static |
| 13:55.18 | petemc | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 13:55.27 | scientes | i knwo i read that |
| 13:55.39 | scientes | but i want both ipv4 and 6 |
| 13:55.48 | petemc | and? |
| 13:55.52 | petemc | whats stopping you? |
| 13:55.57 | scientes | well you can only set address once |
| 13:56.03 | petemc | eh? |
| 13:56.12 | naeu | it seems that g++ depends on libstdc_6 which is upgradeable |
| 13:56.26 | naeu | however when attempting to upgrade it it says it's the current versino |
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| 13:56.29 | petemc | scientes: configure eth0 with your ipv4 address, then configure your tunnel |
| 13:56.39 | scientes | no the router has the tunnel |
| 13:56.44 | scientes | to my computer it appears native |
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| 13:57.00 | scientes | throught radvd |
| 13:57.43 | payload | hi. does anybody of you know about a method to route incoming traffic of a range of IPs to a Socks5 Proxy on localhost:$port or even to proxychains ?? |
| 13:58.02 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Could you please give me an example of how to use the ldd command, please? |
| 13:58.16 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, did you get the google earth by using mercurial? |
| 13:58.20 | Firefishe | yes |
| 13:58.26 | Firefishe | umm....no |
| 13:58.39 | scientes | payload, once a connection is made the route is generally static, you have to direct incoming connections to the prxy and the have that proxy allready condfigured |
| 13:58.47 | gynterk | hey, is there an udp packet logger? |
| 13:59.03 | scientes | and the proxy needs at least a stable domain name |
| 13:59.09 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ldd /usr/bin/base64 |
| 13:59.18 | gynterk | like udpdump or something |
| 14:00.10 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, lol, which is it? yes or no? |
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| 14:01.00 | scientes | payload, once the incoming is already at your ip theres nowhere else for it to go |
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| 14:02.06 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: It's no. I didn't download it with mercurial...there's a .deb package for building google earth. |
| 14:02.08 | SparFux | Hi. Which file do I have to backup to be able to restore my package selections in aptitude after a debootstrap reinstallation? |
| 14:02.25 | Canaris_ | I just edited my .bashrc and added some aliases. yet those are not working. But i can't imagine that a reboot is necessary. is there some way to refresh the known aliases ? |
| 14:02.39 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ok, roger that |
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| 14:02.58 | SparFux | Canaris: type: . .bashrc |
| 14:03.05 | SparFux | Canaris: or: source .bashrc |
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| 14:03.18 | SparFux | Canaris: or simply just log out and back in again. |
| 14:03.36 | Canaris_ | SparFux, ahhh, that worked. thanks man |
| 14:03.37 | onetinsoldier | Canaris_, there is a way to 'source' the new .bashrc while you are still logged in, but sorry, i forget how. the other way is to simply log out and log back in |
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| 14:03.56 | SparFux | Canaris: no prob. Be careful though, all the commands in .bashrc are rerun of course. |
| 14:04.09 | onetinsoldier | Ahhh, i see SparFux got it.. pretty simple too |
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| 14:04.24 | Canaris_ | is "." the same as "./" ? |
| 14:04.32 | onetinsoldier | no |
| 14:04.46 | onetinsoldier | . is the cureent workng directory |
| 14:04.46 | SparFux | canaris: the first . is a shortform of "source" and the second is the "hidden file .". So, it is not ./ |
| 14:04.55 | onetinsoldier | doh! nvm |
| 14:05.13 | onetinsoldier | i'm a goof |
| 14:05.17 | Canaris_ | i knew the second one is for hidden files :) |
| 14:05.21 | SparFux | Canaris: . == current working dir, ./ == same current working dir, .filename == hidden file, you only see with ls -a |
| 14:05.21 | onetinsoldier | ok, Firefishe how's it going? |
| 14:05.44 | payload | ah ehm.. sry i said incoming ^^ but i mean traffic which needs to be routed to some other point... like 192.168.1.2 defaults to route other 192.168.1.1 which defaults to route everything from 192.168.1.2 to 120.20.120.1 ... and i want following: |
| 14:05.52 | stew | "hidden" |
| 14:05.53 | SparFux | Canaris: and ./.filename is hidden file with name filename in current working dir ;-) |
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| 14:06.14 | Canaris_ | SparFux, lol. good to know ;) |
| 14:06.36 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I'm researching it now |
| 14:06.38 | stew | hidden meaning "ls doesn't show them by default", they are in no other way hidden |
| 14:07.06 | SparFux | I think it is even possible to use debconf command to save ALL configuration from /etc and then somehow have the package reinstallation do the same config without asking questions all the time. How can I do this exactly? Aren't there some tutorials on the web? |
| 14:07.22 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, you might want to just compile the source straight up so you can see what's happening rather than using the .deb, even tho the .deb is 'supposed' to do essentially the same thing |
| 14:07.29 | themill | stew: that was the meaning of "hidden" in dos attribs and many file managers for linux are now using the same terminology "Show hidden files". |
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| 14:07.57 | Canaris_ | is it better to keep aliases in .bashrc or in .profile ? |
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| 14:08.22 | SparFux | Canaris: you need them in any interactive shell. So .bashrc, and I personally source .bashrc in .profile. |
| 14:08.32 | payload | set 192.168.1.1 to route packages from 192.168.1.2 which want to the internet, example debian.org, through a socks5 proxy running on 192.168.1.1 (sometimes a ssh-tunnel, sometimes something else... but allways a socks5 proxy) |
| 14:08.49 | stew | Canaris_: .alias, which you source from .bashrc. that way, when you switch to zsh, it will be easier to keep your aliases :) |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | when? |
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| 14:10.02 | fasta | How do I edit the Open List in the fileroller program to contain emacsclient? |
| 14:10.17 | payload | 192.168.1.1 shouldnt know about a proxy |
| 14:10.21 | payload | öhm |
| 14:10.30 | payload | i mean 192.168.1.2 shouldnt know ^^ |
| 14:10.32 | payload | damn |
| 14:10.34 | Canaris_ | standard lenny .basrc recommends to put all aliases in .bash_aliases, but i've never seen anyone do that |
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| 14:11.38 | SparFux | Canaris: Check out my starup script regime: http://pastebin.com/m64af985d http://pastebin.com/m6a45b294 http://pastebin.com/m6a1c8bb3 |
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| 14:12.41 | onetinsoldier | 3 pastebins? which one to look at? ahh, decisions decisions. :-) |
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| 14:13.31 | SparFux | Canaris: having a ~/.bash_aliases sounds like a good idea to me. |
| 14:13.33 | Canaris_ | SparFux, thanks |
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| 14:14.24 | SparFux | Canaris: I did that years ago. The RCFILES variable is just there so that `echo $RCFILES` shows anytime which startup scripts have been run. |
| 14:14.28 | SparFux | And in which order. |
| 14:14.54 | Canaris_ | so just to understand "what's happening in the background". lets say i make up my own aliases file called ".my_aliases". all I have to do is add a line in ".basrc" that says "source ~/.my_aliases" ? |
| 14:15.14 | SparFux | Canaris: exactly. |
| 14:15.44 | Firefishe | Anyone know how to get rhythmbox to allow me to use it normal user mode while still being able to access my vista partition with all my music on it? Now it only works in root. The partition is mounted. |
| 14:15.48 | SparFux | Canaris: or, just when you decide to use the aliases, you do a source ~/.my_aliases in the shell you are working in. Like you only load them on demand manually. |
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| 14:16.39 | fasta | Probably just buggy fileroller, as Nautilus does the right thing. |
| 14:16.48 | SparFux | Canaris: And better do it like this, so you don't get missing files errors: [ -f ~/.bash_interactive ] && source ~/.bash_interactive |
| 14:16.52 | Canaris_ | SparFux, yes that would work too. so the "source" command is some sort of "include", isnt it? |
| 14:17.00 | SparFux | Yes. |
| 14:17.02 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Where do I d/l the source for google earth? |
| 14:17.25 | Canaris_ | SparFux, ok, got it :) |
| 14:17.39 | SparFux | Canaris: it means "don't run the stuff in a subshell and afterwards quite and forget the changes, but run it in exactly THIS shell and keep variables and aliases and the like in mind". |
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| 14:17.57 | themill | judd: versions googleearth-package |
| 14:17.58 | judd | themill: googleearth-package -- etch/contrib: 0.0.4 lenny/contrib: 0.5.4 sid/contrib: 0.5.4 |
| 14:18.39 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i don't know. i haven't tried to install google earth or anything. i just know it's something i wouldn't mind getting, but i have other stuff i'm going to work on first. |
| 14:18.48 | stew | fun, "Google Earth is available for GNU/Linux from their web site, but is not only not Free Software, but is completely undistributable by a third party." |
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| 14:19.19 | themill | stew: but it's OK because they promised to do no evil... |
| 14:19.51 | stew | ahh, ok |
| 14:19.55 | Agiofws | i installed flightgear via debians package manager but i can't run it here is no flightgear executable? which is it ? |
| 14:19.57 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:20.03 | themill | stew: I knew you'd understand straight away! |
| 14:20.22 | Canaris_ | Agiofws, have u tried runnign "flightgear" from the console? |
| 14:20.39 | Agiofws | Canaris_, there is no such executable |
| 14:20.52 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$fli |
| 14:20.52 | Agiofws | fliccd fliwheel |
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| 14:21.04 | onetinsoldier | Agiofws, try dpkg -L flightgear | grep bin |
| 14:21.07 | themill | Agiofws: dpkg -L flightgear |
| 14:21.24 | themill | Agiofws: or look at the file listing on packages.debian.org |
| 14:21.46 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/olT6Cc99.html |
| 14:21.48 | onetinsoldier | probably in the game dir which might no be in the path |
| 14:21.55 | onetinsoldier | s/no/not |
| 14:22.04 | Agiofws | maybe |
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| 14:22.27 | themill | Agiofws: it has a menu icon that you should be able to use: 23 /usr/share/applications/flightgear.desktop |
| 14:22.33 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: np |
| 14:23.00 | Agiofws | hmm ok |
| 14:23.12 | Agiofws | themill, it worked |
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| 14:23.41 | themill | (the menu executes /usr/games/fgfs) |
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| 14:27.46 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, i will be back in a few minutes |
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| 14:29.13 | raul | hallo i got problems configuring debian sid with 2 couples of identical hds. It sees just one for the two couples.. |
| 14:29.19 | WormBe | I downloaded the grsec patch for debian 4.0 with kernel 2.6.18 but I got a msg in the beginning that said there was an issue with backporting etc, though the output from apt-get was ok, and said it setup the patch ok |
| 14:29.22 | raul | i didnt configure any raid.. tnx |
| 14:29.28 | WormBe | Is there a problem with gresec and debian? |
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| 14:29.56 | Canaris_ | raul, what does fdisk -l say? |
| 14:30.55 | Canaris_ | raul, and careful, if u have longer posts, refer to pastebin.com, otherwise u'll be kicked for flooding |
| 14:31.05 | Canaris_ | raul, automatically that is, not from me :) |
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| 14:31.35 | Samuel-NotAFK | raul: NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
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| 14:32.13 | raul | flood? just two msgs? i wrote too much in a line? |
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| 14:32.34 | Canaris_ | raul, yes u did |
| 14:32.43 | Canaris_ | just paste it at pastebin.com and post the link here |
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| 14:34.37 | tralala | Canaris_, no he did not. Long lines are not flood as opposed to multiple sequencial lines (which is what *you* are doing). |
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| 14:35.42 | Canaris_ | tralala, whats the max number of lines u can paste in here in a row, before it counts as flooding? |
| 14:35.43 | baf_ | hello |
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| 14:35.58 | onetinsoldier | is there a way in the aptitude ncurses interface to install stuff from experimental? or can that only be done from the command line? |
| 14:36.13 | onetinsoldier | Canaris_, i think it's like 4 |
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| 14:36.35 | mhymn_ | Canaris_: /msg dpkg flood |
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| 14:37.43 | Canaris_ | ok 3 is the most, but u will get "insulted". 4 will get you kicked |
| 14:37.49 | Canaris_ | thx mhymn_ |
| 14:37.53 | mhymn_ | np |
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| 14:39.12 | baf_ | gents, what approach you suggest to fix error on a disk, which is on remote box to which you do not have physical access but you can reboot it |
| 14:39.34 | baf_ | ie perfrom fsck of a device and write chnages |
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| 14:40.46 | baf_ | the problem is that the problematic is root filesystem and var |
| 14:40.54 | baf_ | which cannot be unmounted |
| 14:41.10 | onetinsoldier | you could use the tune2fs command |
| 14:41.26 | Element14 | question: can anybody tell me whether iptables' connlimit (to limit number of concurrent connections from an ip) is supported under vanilla debian? if not any workarounds? |
| 14:41.31 | Element14 | thanks |
| 14:41.41 | baf_ | onetinsoldier : with this you can schedule check on startup, but it will not fix the problems |
| 14:41.49 | baf_ | to fix problem you need to go to singleuser |
| 14:41.54 | baf_ | which I cannot |
| 14:41.59 | onetinsoldier | baf_, oh, roger that |
| 14:43.13 | WormBe | how can I see what files where install from an apt-get install? |
| 14:43.50 | onetinsoldier | WormBe, the dpkg -L <package> command (usually piped into less) |
| 14:43.51 | Canaris_ | WormBe, dpkg -L packagename |
| 14:44.10 | raul | Canaris_: fdisk shows just two hds, one per couple |
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| 14:44.22 | raul | do i have to care about jumpers with sata2? |
| 14:44.52 | Canaris_ | raul, no thats not necessary. have they ever worked fine before? so fdisk shows 2, and how many do u have? |
| 14:45.06 | raul | 4 |
| 14:45.19 | raul | 21TB 2750GB |
| 14:45.30 | raul | it shows 11TB 1750GB |
| 14:45.55 | Canaris_ | raul, has this ever worked properly before? are you sure hardware raid is deactivated (BIOS) ? |
| 14:46.20 | raul | couldnt find anything on bios |
| 14:47.00 | WormBe | and how can I see all the packets install in the system? |
| 14:47.06 | Canaris_ | Are you sure you formatted everything alright when u installed debian? |
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| 14:47.32 | tralala | WormBe, man dpkg, man aptitude |
| 14:47.50 | raul | they come out of the box |
| 14:48.17 | raul | maybe i have to put jumpers on them? |
| 14:48.42 | tralala | raul, sata disks don't need jumpers |
| 14:48.44 | WormBe | ok |
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| 14:49.15 | raul | i try to disconnect one by one |
| 14:49.24 | Canaris_ | raul, then it was probably setup as raid. I am no expert on that topic though. And I am not sure if u can change that once u already partitioned your disk(s) |
| 14:49.26 | tralala | !installed packages |
| 14:49.26 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 14:50.01 | Canaris_ | god do i dislike awk |
| 14:50.09 | petemc | why? |
| 14:50.27 | tralala | raul, does your sata controler have some sort of raid capabilities? The chances are it has a separate bios that you need to enter with a different key |
| 14:50.27 | Canaris_ | its too complicated for me...at least now |
| 14:50.40 | Maliuta | is getting pissed off. |
| 14:50.40 | petemc | in comparison to what? |
| 14:51.05 | abrotman | !beer Maliuta |
| 14:51.06 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for Maliuta |
| 14:51.14 | jelly | !awk |
| 14:51.15 | dpkg | i heard awk is a pattern scanning and text processing language invented by Aho, Weinberger and Kernighan. or awk! awk! awk! I'm a bird, or help! I can't grep my awk!, or see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt for nifty oneliners |
| 14:51.35 | raul | Canaris_: i have something on sata mode |
| 14:51.39 | raul | raid native ahci or compatible |
| 14:51.49 | Maliuta | I just did an install with the etchR5 installer, went to dist upgrade to unstable and I am getting errors from bash "bad interpreter" when apt/dpkg/aptitude trys executing the postisnt scripts |
| 14:52.14 | tralala | Maliuta, did you follow the upgrade instructions? |
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| 14:52.28 | Maliuta | tralala: this is not the first time I have done this |
| 14:52.47 | Maliuta | tralala: dist-upgrade is normally smart enough to figure it out |
| 14:52.51 | tralala | Maliuta, I see, but that's not an answer to my question |
| 14:52.59 | petemc | Maliuta: if you want things not to break, then you use stable - no point getting pissed off |
| 14:53.08 | Canaris_ | raul, whats with sata mode? I think its most likely something in your BIOS. Just recheck it. If that wont work either. It hink u need to re-install debian again and NOT use raid if u dont want it. maybe there's also a way to change it once the system has already been installed, but again...i am no expert when it comes to raid configurations |
| 14:53.32 | Canaris_ | Maliuta, i think the officially recommended way it to do "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 14:53.40 | raul | (i am just at the disk detection/management part of debian installer) |
| 14:53.47 | raul | no debian installed, no raid configured |
| 14:54.06 | tralala | raul, are all the four disks shown in the bios? |
| 14:54.07 | twobitsprite | in linux, can you put a filesystem on a raw disk w/o partitions? i.e., you need a partition table, right? |
| 14:54.20 | onetinsoldier | is there a way in the aptitude ncurses interface to install stuff from experimental? or can that only be done from the command line? |
| 14:54.24 | simonrvn | Canaris_: not in etch |
| 14:54.52 | raul | ok Canaris_ i solved. In bios compatible mode for SATA didnt recognised them. i chose ahci |
| 14:55.04 | tralala | onetinsoldier, press "v" and select the experimental version |
| 14:55.07 | jelly | Maliuta: what is the exact error you're getting? which command? what is there in the first, #! line of the affected scripts? #!/bin/sh, #!/bin/bash, or something else? |
| 14:55.20 | joeytwiddle | onetinsoldier: add testing to your sources.list, and that's what aptitude will work from |
| 14:55.23 | Canaris_ | raul, great, good to hear :) |
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| 14:55.50 | Maliuta | jelly: I had to fix a bunch of scripts from #! /bin/sh to #!/bin/sh to even get them to execute |
| 14:56.00 | onetinsoldier | tralala, ok, thank you! |
| 14:56.14 | tralala | onetinsoldier, you're welcome |
| 14:56.18 | jelly | Maliuta: that shouldn't be needed |
| 14:56.22 | jelly | Maliuta: uname -r? |
| 14:56.34 | onetinsoldier | joeytwiddle, thank you for trying, but tralala's answer is what i was really looking for |
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| 14:56.50 | onetinsoldier | going for kde4 here |
| 14:56.50 | joeytwiddle | i see that now, and feel ashamed |
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| 14:57.31 | onetinsoldier | joeytwiddle, well don't. you should see what a goof i am, lol |
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| 14:57.36 | Maliuta | jelly: that machine is switched off until I can get some sleep and re-install the new installation. the error was "bash <scriptname> bad interpreter /bin/sh |
| 14:57.50 | joeytwiddle | hehe i'm just kidding, good luck i hope nothing breaks ;) |
| 14:58.24 | jelly | Maliuta: if removing the space really fixed it, that's rather weird. |
| 14:58.35 | onetinsoldier | joeytwiddle, thanks, i should be ok. i'm sure i will. if not, sometimes i know how to fix stuff |
| 14:58.43 | Maliuta | jelly: it didn't, but it allowed me to get to the next step |
| 14:58.45 | Canaris_ | btw: is aptitude officially recommended for everything now? Compared to using apt-get? |
| 14:59.05 | jelly | Maliuta: but if you're unable to provide debug info, perhaps it's not the smartest idea to whine here and entice others to try to help |
| 14:59.09 | onetinsoldier | Canaris_, yes.. i was told by stew on here that it is |
| 14:59.09 | hoxu | Canaris_, for everything except for what only apt-get can do |
| 14:59.27 | Maliuta | jelly: I needed to vent |
| 14:59.40 | jelly | Maliuta: run to the woods and yell! |
| 14:59.42 | Maliuta | jelly: this is just the lastest thing that failed on me |
| 14:59.46 | onetinsoldier | has never really used aptitude before but is using it now! |
| 14:59.48 | tralala | Canaris_, well aptitude is somewhat smarter but I hear that apt-get is catching up |
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| 14:59.54 | Canaris_ | hoxu, what is it that only apt-get can do? except supercowpowers? |
| 14:59.58 | simonrvn | opens Maliuta's vents, to air out his brain |
| 15:00.10 | Canaris_ | tralala, i hope so. even though there's not that much difference i prefer apt-get |
| 15:00.11 | stew | Canaris_: apt-get build-dep ; apt-get source |
| 15:00.13 | jelly | Maliuta: you're using sid and skipping testing. Deal! |
| 15:00.21 | Maliuta | jelly: and I don't really expect most ppl in here to be able to help with something I can't fix |
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| 15:00.38 | Maliuta | jelly: all my machines run unstable, like the one I am typing on |
| 15:00.48 | jelly | Maliuta: uh, this is a support channel; don't talk about it if you don't want support :-P |
| 15:01.06 | simonrvn | could probably fix it in no time if he was at the kbd |
| 15:01.08 | tralala | smells a real man! |
| 15:01.17 | jelly | tralala: you need a shower? |
| 15:01.20 | simonrvn | *PEEEW* |
| 15:01.26 | tralala | hehe |
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| 15:02.35 | simonrvn | waits for the 300 packages to finish upgrading.... |
| 15:02.51 | simonrvn | that's what you get for not updating sid in ~4 days |
| 15:03.12 | hoxu | simonrvn, you upgrade sid? |
| 15:03.38 | simonrvn | up*date* |
| 15:04.23 | simonrvn | hm |
| 15:04.36 | hoxu | whatever you want to call it :P |
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| 15:05.03 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 15:05.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 15:06.32 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: OSS compiled and installed. :) |
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| 15:09.07 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, oh? cool, but i thought you already had that done or something. thought you already got your sound worked out |
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| 15:11.08 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Well, I was in #oss and talking with someone there, who said that the binary I had originally downloaded--the one with the 6 month limitation--said that that site was old and wasn't updated anymore. |
| 15:11.35 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: So I just removed the old .deb, built, and installed a new one......with no limits. OSS is open sourced now. |
| 15:12.10 | simonrvn | Firefishe: has been for a while... |
| 15:12.14 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe, ahh, i see. nice |
| 15:12.23 | Firefishe | simonrvn: New to me ;) |
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| 15:12.38 | simonrvn | ok :) |
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| 15:13.25 | simonrvn | goes to make some food |
| 15:13.27 | Firefishe | Incidentally, does anyone know how to get amarok to do a directory search in a directory that's mounted (mounted by root), but won' let it open? |
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| 15:19.18 | gribouille | hi |
| 15:19.25 | gribouille | how can I disable suspend and hibernate completely ? |
| 15:20.53 | liable | remove the packages that do it.. pm-suspend and the like |
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| 15:21.53 | gribouille | liable, I would rather modify a config file |
| 15:22.01 | Element14 | question: can anybody tell me whether iptables' connlimit (to limit number of concurrent connections from an ip) is supported under vanilla debian? if not any workarounds? |
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| 15:22.42 | liable | gribouille: then look in /etc/acpi |
| 15:23.00 | gribouille | do I just have to modify /etc/default/acpi-support ? |
| 15:23.21 | liable | probably |
| 15:24.13 | gribouille | liable, and then, what do I have to restart ? |
| 15:24.25 | liable | acpid i would think |
| 15:26.37 | LoneWlf | anyone know how to go back and edit locales? |
| 15:26.42 | LoneWlf | !debhelp locales |
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| 15:26.59 | liable | LoneWlf: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:27.46 | d4rkm4x | hello |
| 15:28.28 | liable | hola |
| 15:28.36 | d4rkm4x | hola |
| 15:28.52 | liable | where is .uy? |
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| 15:29.04 | d4rkm4x | si |
| 15:29.18 | liable | ? |
| 15:29.23 | adb | uruguay ? |
| 15:29.29 | d4rkm4x | yes |
| 15:29.37 | liable | thats what i was thinking. |
| 15:29.53 | d4rkm4x | ok |
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| 15:36.55 | SparFux | The debconf environment variables aren't documented in the debconf-doc package. Where can I find documentation? |
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| 15:38.03 | liable | internal debian programs have even worse docs than the average gnu programs.. |
| 15:38.24 | liable | read the source luke.. (i guess is the mantra) |
| 15:38.31 | efaistos | hmmm someone just told me that on etch he tried to install bind9 and got a message sying it was obsolete and should use dnsutils ... I just tried the same on sid and i got that only if trying to install bind and not bind9 |
| 15:38.40 | efaistos | anyone under etch to confirm that ? |
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| 15:38.59 | stew | SparFux: man 7 debconf |
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| 15:39.15 | SparFux | ah, I think I got it. DEBIAN_FRONTEND=passthrough DEBIAN_PRIORITY="$priority" stew: these aren't mentioned in debconf(7) |
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| 15:39.33 | SparFux | stew: sorry, I was on (1). Actually you are right. |
| 15:39.39 | SparFux | stew: (7) documents them. |
| 15:39.50 | pflanze | Hello. I don't understand why a package I've built which has a "Provides: git-arch, git-core, git-cvs, git-doc, git-email, git-gui, git-svn, gitk" header does not satisfy the dependency of qgit on git-core. |
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| 15:40.17 | pflanze | apt-get install qgit wants to replace my package with the one from Debian. |
| 15:40.19 | stew | judd: depends gqit |
| 15:40.45 | stew | pflanze: becuase it is a versioned depends |
| 15:40.53 | pflanze | my package has: Version: 1.6.0.4-2 |
| 15:41.17 | pflanze | and qgit has git-core (>= 1.3.0) |
| 15:41.28 | pflanze | should I mention the version in the Provides? |
| 15:41.36 | stew | pflanze: and your package doesn't provide git-core > 1.3.0, it just provides git-core |
| 15:41.40 | raul | hallo i just finished installing debian |
| 15:41.42 | abrotman | judd: quit being lazy |
| 15:41.42 | judd | abrotman: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 15:41.44 | raul | in the mbr |
| 15:41.47 | abrotman | whoops |
| 15:41.57 | raul | i put grub .. now it gives me error 17 |
| 15:42.07 | stew | i have no idea why depends didn't work, it worked in /msg |
| 15:42.24 | pflanze | stew: how should my Provides line look like? (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual doesn't mention versioned Provides) |
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| 15:42.46 | stew | pflanze: i don't think you can have a versioned provides |
| 15:43.08 | pflanze | stew: so why does apt decide that my package offers an older version? |
| 15:43.25 | stew | pflanze: it doesn't really |
| 15:43.27 | pflanze | Is it altogether impossible to provide packages if the receiver requires a version? |
| 15:43.41 | stew | pflanze: i believe so |
| 15:43.48 | pflanze | ugh |
| 15:44.08 | \amethyst | pflanze: correct, versioned dependencies cannot be satisfied by provides: |
| 15:44.09 | stew | pflanze: this is usually handled by making the depnding package depend on a virtual package containing the version in the package name |
| 15:44.41 | pflanze | That's bad. |
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| 15:45.01 | stew | such as libapache2-mod-php5 Provides: phpapi-20060613 |
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| 15:45.38 | stew | pflanze: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 15:46.33 | pflanze | I build my own Git packages, and actually only one package containing all of upstream Git. |
| 15:46.33 | raul | i get grub error 17 rebooting after install |
| 15:46.33 | raul | anyone can help me out? |
| 15:46.33 | pflanze | Now I'd like to be able to use the other packaged tools from Debian, still with my newer Git. |
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| 15:46.46 | raul | i have a software raid system |
| 15:46.49 | pflanze | Newer, and sometimes hacked. |
| 15:46.50 | stew | pflanze: why do you do this instead of using the debian package? |
| 15:46.59 | pflanze | Because I'm occasionally hacking on git. |
| 15:47.05 | stew | pflanze: why not at least use the packaging that debian provides? |
| 15:47.11 | stew | pflanze: even if you replace the source in the package |
| 15:47.59 | pflanze | Because I didn't want anything changed from upstream; and because probably the Debian build process will build the whole upstream once for each package, |
| 15:47.59 | tarzeau | pflanze! |
| 15:48.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:48.02 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 15:48.04 | pflanze | as is frequently the case. |
| 15:48.19 | pflanze | with source packages building multiple binary packages. |
| 15:48.33 | stew | pflanze: really? can you give us an example? |
| 15:49.06 | pflanze | I remember the kernel builds as a case; |
| 15:49.28 | pflanze | also I did observe that quite a number of times when rebuilding testing packages on stable. |
| 15:49.43 | stew | pflanze: that's an extreme exception |
| 15:49.50 | pflanze | This has been spread over the last ~8 years. |
| 15:50.20 | pflanze | So I dunno if packagers have improved the situation; |
| 15:50.21 | stew | pflanze: that is a case where the individual binary packages MUST be compiled separately since they are the same source compiled with different options, which is not the case with git-art, git-core, git-cvs, et al |
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| 15:50.47 | pflanze | I've seen it many times where I didn't *see* any reason. Might have been there were. |
| 15:50.56 | stew | pflanze: where else? |
| 15:50.57 | pflanze | Which is exactly why I wanted to go simple and just build one package here. |
| 15:51.07 | pflanze | I don't remember anymore |
| 15:51.31 | pflanze | I did rebuild tons of packages from etch on sarge. |
| 15:51.42 | pflanze | Mostly it happened in that time I think. |
| 15:52.04 | pflanze | or was it sarge on woody. |
| 15:52.18 | pflanze | Maybe both. |
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| 15:54.45 | raul | how do i install grub in a multidisk system? |
| 15:54.47 | raul | grub-install ? |
| 15:55.31 | raul | tnx |
| 15:55.34 | stew | pflanze: it would be more simple to just use the packaging which debian already provides |
| 15:55.50 | pflanze | I'd have to throw away it's patch, I just took a look |
| 15:56.10 | pflanze | I'm going to build it right now, to check whether it at least only builds once. |
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| 15:57.05 | raul | i have 4 disks and i donnu where to install grub |
| 15:57.09 | raul | can you help me out? |
| 15:57.29 | stew | pflanze: what do you mean by "throw away it's patch"? do you mean the patches in debian/diff/? or the entire diff.gz ? |
| 15:57.30 | cast | install it on the one your bios is set to boot from first |
| 15:57.41 | SparFux | Next time I have to reinstall the whole system, I will be prepared, and I will do aptitude clone. |
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| 15:58.14 | pflanze | stew: much of both probably. I'd just be happy not even having to look at all of this, but I'll see |
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| 15:58.29 | stew | pflanze: what else from the .diff.gz would you have to throw away? |
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| 15:58.43 | pflanze | all that I haven't looked at yet |
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| 15:58.52 | pflanze | let me throw my time on it. |
| 15:59.07 | pflanze | because apt doesn't support versioned provides. |
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| 15:59.52 | stew | doesn't make sense |
| 15:59.57 | stew | but whatever |
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| 16:00.00 | pflanze | yep exactly. |
| 16:00.13 | stevil | anyone perhaps using monit in here as well? i want to have a service be stopped after it's been restarted with a couple of cycles, e..g: if 2 restarts within 5 cycles then stop however this is throwing me syntax errors near "stop" anyone have an idea how todo this with monit? |
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| 16:02.25 | raul | tnx i figured it out myself |
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| 16:06.34 | WormBe | if there is no /boot/vmlinuz file where does grub find the kernel? |
| 16:07.32 | SparFux | sudo aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > aptitude-package_list will kill the automatically installed package database, won't it? |
| 16:07.44 | stew | WormBe: /boot/vmlinu[xz]* |
| 16:07.54 | SparFux | I mean, when cloning, then the automatically installed packages will not be marked as such, or will they? |
| 16:07.56 | WormBe | stew: yeah, even that |
| 16:07.58 | stew | SparFux: no, it has !~M |
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| 16:08.05 | WormBe | stew: I have a system that has no such file |
| 16:08.10 | WormBe | but boots normally |
| 16:08.15 | stew | WormBe: then i don't think update-grub would find a kernel |
| 16:08.33 | stew | WormBe: oh, during boot, it just looks at the grub/menu.lst file |
| 16:08.41 | SparFux | stew: Ah, but the packages automatically installed aren't listed, so on reinstall they will be AUTOMATICALLY installed? :-) |
| 16:09.10 | stew | SparFux: yes, you are just getting a list of manually installed packages, and manually installing them somewhere else |
| 16:10.48 | SparFux | stew: that's great. So, What I do now is not only backup my /etc with hints on all manually modified files, but even the aptitude database and the debconf database. With these tools I will be able to set up my system in case of a system file crash really fast! |
| 16:10.51 | WormBe | stew: yes, I have a system that /boot is empty and yet it boot normally with the kernel |
| 16:11.06 | WormBe | it boots* (with pv-grub) |
| 16:11.18 | SparFux | stew: I backup all these system things to my /home partition which in turn is backed up regularly, too. |
| 16:12.26 | stew | WormBe: then /boot is not the partition that grub is looking at when it boots |
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| 16:12.53 | helo | what's a good svg viewer? |
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| 16:13.37 | stew | SparFux: don't forget /usr/local /opt /srv /var/wwwif you have files there, and also parts of /var/lib and maybe /var/spool |
| 16:13.52 | onetinsoldier | helo, gvim.. i think |
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| 16:14.17 | SparFux | stew: Yes, this is true. Once I backed them up, too, but they are quite big. Anyways, I think I will have to do this. |
| 16:14.18 | riot | hi |
| 16:14.22 | onetinsoldier | helo, wait.. hang on |
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| 16:14.27 | riot | does the netinstall come with rsync? |
| 16:14.55 | mhymn_ | helo: put a 'k' before svg and be happy |
| 16:15.05 | petemc | riot: no |
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| 16:15.26 | SparFux | stew: this is my backup script, I end up with nicely names files whichs' name I give on the command line to backup script: http://pastebin.com/m358541e4 |
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| 16:15.55 | riot | petemc: thanks. |
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| 16:16.03 | SparFux | I list the files in backup.files like /etc and the like. |
| 16:16.26 | onetinsoldier | helo, what mhymn_ said or try xzgv |
| 16:16.38 | pflanze | So, Debian's git-core source package takes 8m14.470s real time to build, while my gitcj package takes 4m27.699s; to be fair, it runs the test suite which my package doesn't. |
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| 16:17.08 | pflanze | But just installing 10 packages each time means I don't want to go this route anyway. |
| 16:17.17 | pflanze | So I'll go with fake packages instead. |
| 16:17.24 | helo | mhymn_: i'll be happy if you can also tell me where to get svg porn |
| 16:17.30 | helo | infinite zoom! |
| 16:17.39 | stew | pflanze: perhaps look at adding versioned provides support to dpkg. i'd bet the work would be welcomed |
| 16:17.49 | pflanze | hm. |
| 16:18.05 | mhymn_ | helo: you ... ! |
| 16:18.12 | pflanze | A little scarce on spare time here. But yeah, good suggestion. |
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| 16:20.30 | orgthingy | i still LOL at http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd |
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| 16:21.40 | geekboi | When my server reboots, it doesn't retain the virtual interfaces I have setup, despite the fact that /etc/network/networks has all the details in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:21.43 | magnetron | orgthingyâ quit trolling and get back to #ubuntu NOW |
| 16:21.53 | orgthingy | w00t |
| 16:21.54 | raul | how do i cancel grub from mbr? |
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| 16:22.06 | orgthingy | magnetron : the channel was quite anyway |
| 16:22.09 | geekboi | I've put my interfaces file up at http://pastebin.com/m4fc372a9 |
| 16:22.11 | orgthingy | and i stated a fact |
| 16:22.17 | orgthingy | that i actually laughed at it |
| 16:22.55 | cast | hurd is pretty close to doing all i need :) certainly it covers all i need to do from an education standpoint ATM [which would be a web browser and GCC] |
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| 16:23.32 | orgthingy | cast : maybe for server it's somehow nice, but not desktop.. am i right :P ? and yea, education, correct |
| 16:23.55 | liable | orgthingy: stop trolling. its not welcome |
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| 16:24.09 | orgthingy | no sense of humor, anyone? |
| 16:24.10 | orgthingy | -.- |
| 16:24.27 | liable | no, trolls are not fun |
| 16:24.43 | orgthingy | i just laughed at it dude |
| 16:24.47 | liable | we get more than a fair share of tards and trolls |
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| 16:25.13 | jelly | orgthingy: you are SO naughty to say Hurd is laughable! |
| 16:25.28 | orgthingy | o_O |
| 16:25.33 | jelly | meanie. |
| 16:25.43 | orgthingy | i love #debian :D |
| 16:25.48 | orgthingy | they usually just kb in #ubuntu |
| 16:25.49 | orgthingy | nice |
| 16:25.58 | orgthingy | magnetron : right :P ? |
| 16:26.20 | funzl | hi all. im having a question about ssh: inside a bash-script, i'm trying to connect to a server via ssh with key-authentication. the problem is: if the key doesn't |
| 16:26.21 | cast | i spend all my time using console based programs, with the exception of ff, so my view of 'desktop' might be more akin to your view of 'server'. [not the greatest fan of ff, but its the best we got!] |
| 16:26.28 | magnetron | would kb orgthingy if he had a sense of humor. and +o |
| 16:26.29 | jelly | orgthingy: our ops have better things to do on Friday afternoons... like drink themselves to oblivion! |
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| 16:26.40 | orgthingy | funzl : doesnt what? |
| 16:26.53 | liable | jelly: dont feed it |
| 16:27.20 | funzl | hi all. im having a question about ssh: inside a bash-script, i'm trying to connect to a server via ssh with key-authentication. the problem is: if the key isn't correct, the script halts and asks for a password... is it possible to exit immediately? |
| 16:27.24 | orgthingy | liable : something is wrong with you? |
| 16:27.36 | orgthingy | stop misusing "troll" |
| 16:27.40 | funzl | (sorry, hit enter accidentally) |
| 16:27.43 | orgthingy | yea, i may be "lame" but not "troll" |
| 16:27.44 | liable | orgthingy: no |
| 16:27.51 | orgthingy | funzl : i see |
| 16:28.06 | magnetron | funzlâ if you are trying to bruteforce ssh keys on debian systems, just say so |
| 16:28.10 | funzl | i accidentally the whole key |
| 16:28.12 | cast | funzl: FWIW i never have that issue as i have password auth disabled in sshd_config, not a good solution though to your problem |
| 16:28.43 | raul | hallo how do i set |
| 16:28.48 | raul | my system to boot from sdc |
| 16:28.48 | raul | ? |
| 16:28.52 | raul | where i have grub? |
| 16:28.57 | raul | how do i cancel mbr? |
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| 16:29.11 | cast | you can set it to boot from the third disk in the BIOS, hopefully |
| 16:29.12 | funzl | cast: but that has to be done on the server i'm trying to connect, where i have no access |
| 16:29.23 | SystemFAILURE | I currently have Debian in it_IT and I want to use the english locale .. Do I have to do other things before doing the dpkg-reconfigure locale ? |
| 16:29.28 | funzl | (to change the sshd_config) |
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| 16:31.11 | cast | ahh |
| 16:31.14 | cast | man ssh_config |
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| 16:31.19 | cast | search for ass |
| 16:31.32 | liable | look for ass? |
| 16:31.52 | cast | if you insist. |
| 16:31.53 | funzl | magnetron: it's for educational purposes. |
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| 16:32.28 | magnetron | funzlâ as i said, it's easier for people to help you if you just simply state what you are trying to do |
| 16:32.39 | tech404 | I am suddenly getting a warning from aptitude that my packages aren't trusted. I pull only from official mirrors... does anyone know anything about this? |
| 16:32.48 | tech404 | am I getting redirected or something? |
| 16:33.03 | cast | tech404: is it debian-multimedia thats causing the issue? |
| 16:33.25 | tech404 | no I am only pulling from official mirrors |
| 16:33.51 | hoxu | tech404, update again. Are you using a proxy? |
| 16:33.52 | funzl | cast: magnetron: thx! :) |
| 16:33.54 | tech404 | from gatech.edu for main and debian for security |
| 16:34.13 | tech404 | I have nothing in my sources.d |
| 16:34.14 | hoxu | tech404, temporary HTTP failures and such can result in that; run update again |
| 16:34.20 | stew | tech404: is debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 16:34.25 | abrotman | tech404: install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 16:34.52 | jelly | liable: it's not a troll. |
| 16:34.54 | helo | funzl: ssh -oPasswordAuthentication=no -oPreferredAuthentications=publickey user@host |
| 16:34.55 | stew | actually its a strict dependency these days, so i guess it must be installed |
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| 16:34.57 | tech404 | well it has been and there isn't a reason it should have changed... let me double check |
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| 16:35.12 | hoxu | tech404, please read what I said :) |
| 16:35.14 | SystemFAILURE | How to set Debian language from it_IT to en_GB so ? |
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| 16:35.39 | hoxu | tech404, especially if your apt updates from cron, connectivity failures during the night etc can cause that |
| 16:35.40 | tech404 | hoxu: I will double check that as well |
| 16:35.43 | stew | SystemFAILURE: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:35.53 | tech404 | no I did it about 30 min ago |
| 16:35.56 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: it regenerares it_IT , nothing else .. |
| 16:35.57 | tech404 | I wil do again |
| 16:36.06 | hoxu | tech404, did you get any errors or did you interrupt it manually? |
| 16:36.09 | stew | SystemFAILURE: check the box next to en_GB |
| 16:36.17 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: which box ?! |
| 16:36.17 | hoxu | tech404, and are you using a proxy? |
| 16:36.20 | cast | helo: fwiw theres a BatchMode option :> |
| 16:36.24 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: it doesn't open nothing |
| 16:36.28 | funzl | helo: thx to you, too |
| 16:36.33 | jelly | SystemFAILURE: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales, then |
| 16:36.47 | SystemFAILURE | jelly:: same |
| 16:36.50 | jelly | SystemFAILURE: still no dialog? |
| 16:36.53 | stew | jelly: low is the default anyway |
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| 16:37.36 | SystemFAILURE | jelly:: still no dialog |
| 16:37.53 | stew | SystemFAILURE: try "DEBCONF_FRONTEND=dialog dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 16:38.05 | tech404 | humm... I got a 403 on the update.... there is a proxy but it has never been a problem before... I willl change to ftp and see where I get |
| 16:38.26 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: same .. |
| 16:38.29 | hoxu | tech404, proxies are broken more often than not :( |
| 16:38.44 | stew | SystemFAILURE: what version of locales do you have installed? |
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| 16:39.26 | hoxu | tech404, 403, however, might indicate a problem with the mirror itself, you could try another one |
| 16:39.38 | tech404 | Err ftp://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages |
| 16:39.39 | tech404 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.39 | tech404 | I have no ftp proxy... must be the mirror |
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| 16:39.52 | tech404 | thanks hoxu |
| 16:40.06 | _stack | if from X I want to start a command like kill X && touch foo |
| 16:40.09 | _stack | how must I do? |
| 16:40.17 | tech404 | I think I just over reacted instead of checking it out |
| 16:40.21 | _stack | screen?? |
| 16:40.30 | hoxu | does testing have security updates? |
| 16:40.35 | stew | hoxu: usually |
| 16:41.17 | tech404 | hoxu: they come down... it is said you shouldn't expect they will be timely |
| 16:41.17 | dutchfish | thought it was something like: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free for lenny |
| 16:41.45 | stew | usually they get security updates directly without needing to wait for them from unstable |
| 16:42.20 | tech404 | dutchfish: thats what mine looks like |
| 16:42.22 | hoxu | does the security repo exist from day one of testing or is it added at some later phase? |
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| 16:42.37 | tech404 | ... i think day one but I don't know for sure |
| 16:42.47 | dutchfish | tech404, no, mind the / between lenny and updates in your line |
| 16:42.52 | stew | dutchfish: it is, its just not always the case that it gets updated for every DSA, but its getting better, and you can probably expect 100% coverage at least until lenny releases |
| 16:43.21 | stew | hoxu: are you asking if, for example, when squeeze is created there will be testing-security support? |
| 16:43.40 | hoxu | stew, yes |
| 16:43.46 | tech404 | dutchfish: it does look like that in sources but the output from update looks a little different |
| 16:43.51 | stew | hoxu: yes. but again, not guaranteed to have 100% coverage |
| 16:44.02 | hoxu | ok, thanks for clearing it up everyone |
| 16:44.09 | jelly | is looking forward to having a squeeze box |
| 16:44.17 | dutchfish | tech404, ok, my mistake i thought it was a copy of your sources.lst |
| 16:44.48 | tech404 | :) |
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| 16:49.20 | tech404 | I switched to main and I am still getting a failure from security |
| 16:49.27 | dutchfish | i have a strange issue with xorg, it randomly takes extreme cpu cycles and freezes up, specially after a wakeup from screen powersave, cpu utilisation whops to ~60-80%, and no mouse click control, but mouse movements work fine, where to search? no errors in logs so |
| 16:49.33 | tech404 | this is my sources line... deb ftp://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 16:49.51 | dutchfish | tech404, looks fine |
| 16:49.56 | stoned | good morning |
| 16:50.05 | stoned | whats going on in the world of #debian? |
| 16:50.30 | themill | tech404: Does security.debian.org offer ftp updates? |
| 16:51.16 | tech404 | ..... ok... i'm and idiot |
| 16:51.21 | tech404 | thanks guys |
| 16:51.23 | stew | tech404: either swithc it from ftp to http or append debian-security to the url |
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| 16:51.56 | dutchfish | tech404, i am too:) missed that one also |
| 16:52.44 | tech404 | I was using http before and I switched just now to make sure it wasn't a proxy problem |
| 16:52.56 | dutchfish | tech404, yes |
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| 16:53.02 | tech404 | I appreciate everyones help |
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| 16:53.32 | dtcrshr | ho folks, iv installed though synaptic a "3d desktop" on my debian etch. How do i enable it? |
| 16:53.58 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, 3ddesk |
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| 16:55.21 | dtcrshr | nice, it showed the 4 desktops, but how do i get it enabled from start |
| 16:55.36 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, script it if you like |
| 16:55.55 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, or bind the command to a hotkey |
| 16:55.57 | dtcrshr | hm.. after doing the command, it shows me, but the crtl + alt + arrows are still showing the classic mode |
| 16:56.12 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, yes |
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| 16:56.25 | dtcrshr | actually, theres 2 things i gotta run now from command line as i boot, the conky and the 3ddesk |
| 16:56.42 | dtcrshr | gotta any clues where i manage then to "startup" with the gnome environment? |
| 16:57.19 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, i new that one, but i forgot, because i run kde nowadays sorry |
| 16:57.52 | dtcrshr | nice one |
| 16:58.36 | SparFux | stew: and I forgot: modprobe nvram && cat /dev/nvram > $1.nvram |
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| 16:59.22 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, something in gnome sessions it was ... |
| 16:59.49 | mhymn_ | anyone knows why 'espeak word' gives me the 'segmentation fault' output instead of speaking the word? |
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| 17:00.12 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, hold on i look it up |
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| 17:01.27 | onetinsoldier | mhymn_, segfault eh. well, it can be fairly hard to know what causes those precisely. i would try and use 'strace' if i were wanting to try and find out more |
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| 17:02.25 | mhymn_ | onetinsoldier: i'm not familiar with strace and it's options and output |
| 17:03.21 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, system -> preferences -> sessions (but 3ddesk dont need to be in there, just bind it to a hotkey or such) |
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| 17:04.28 | onetinsoldier | mhymn_, well, i'm too rusty to help with it. if only CutMeOwnThroat were here. but perhaps someone else can help out with it. if all else fails read the man page |
| 17:04.53 | onetinsoldier | mhymn_, i would read it right now and try to help but getting a little busy here atm.. sorry |
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| 17:05.14 | mhymn_ | onetinsoldier: hmm, thanks for your help |
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| 17:05.44 | chx | hi. I read some time ago about a script which applies security fixes automatically from cron investigating whether there would be a configuration file change |
| 17:05.50 | adb | mhymn_: try also bts , /tell mhymn_ about bts |
| 17:06.03 | dtcrshr | hmn... now i gotta find where to apply theese hotkeys |
| 17:06.07 | dtcrshr | ill check it out |
| 17:06.30 | mhymn_ | adb: i don't think it's a bug or something |
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| 17:07.00 | adb | usually , yes |
| 17:07.22 | mhymn_ | adb: but seems it's already in bts |
| 17:07.51 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, its under system -> preferences too |
| 17:08.15 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, hotkeys (trans: sneltoetsen) |
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| 17:09.55 | mhymn_ | onetinsoldier: adb: found the problem, sound card is in use |
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| 17:10.17 | onetinsoldier | mhymn_, ahh, good! :) |
| 17:10.26 | mhymn_ | ;) |
| 17:11.26 | hoxu | mhymn_, if it segfaults because of that, sounds like a bug; please create a bug report :) |
| 17:11.42 | dutchfish | chx, you mean cron-apt ? |
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| 17:12.24 | chx | no, definitely not cron-apt |
| 17:12.29 | chx | i think it's secpack |
| 17:13.07 | chx | but still not sure, the one that i am thinkign of definitely checked whether the update can be applied without human interaction |
| 17:13.08 | chx | sniff |
| 17:13.12 | chx | i found it and lost it. |
| 17:13.32 | mhymn_ | hoxu: well, i think there's one already here: http://tinyurl.com/5t63jp |
| 17:13.52 | hoxu | tinyurl = evil |
| 17:14.03 | SparFux | In a LUKS keyfile, can I add crap at the end of it? Like comments? |
| 17:14.23 | hoxu | mhymn_, seems so |
| 17:15.37 | hoxu | chx, http://clemens.endorphin.org/secpack/ ? I have no clue about it though |
| 17:15.42 | chx | http://packages.debian.org/etch/unattended-upgrades |
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| 17:15.55 | chx | there it is! |
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| 17:18.51 | dutchfish | chx, and how does it handle kernel updates? mmm... like those to do manually |
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| 17:19.13 | SparFux | I want to say in a shell script: if last command failed, exit the whole thing: test $? && exit 13 |
| 17:19.18 | SparFux | But it doesn't seem to work :-( |
| 17:19.25 | hoxu | dutchfish, my thoughts, that'll break things, I hope there's an option to exclude those |
| 17:19.30 | dacs | what is vanilla kerenl? |
| 17:19.39 | hoxu | SparFux, false || exit 13 |
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| 17:19.55 | SparFux | hoxu: why the hell do I need || ? I thought I would need && |
| 17:19.56 | dutchfish | hoxu, it relies on perl 2.5, at least it does decent logging, but still |
| 17:20.14 | hoxu | SparFux, man bash; read the relevant sections on operators. && is and and || is or |
| 17:20.27 | SparFux | hoxu: ah, right, now I get the logic. |
| 17:20.39 | SparFux | hoxu: if test command is ok, don't exit. YS. |
| 17:20.39 | mhymn_ | dacs: unmodified kernel?!? |
| 17:20.41 | hoxu | SparFux, and as in "execute if previous was true", or ditto but other way |
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| 17:20.42 | jelly | or || is or and && is and |
| 17:21.01 | dacs | mhymn_: how can i get one for etch |
| 17:21.41 | SparFux | hoxu: the echo $? thing doesn't work. So I think, I will just put || exit 13 behind my own commmand. |
| 17:21.48 | hoxu | SparFux, you can also trap ERR so that you execute something when any command in the script fails, $ trap "echo foo" ERR; true; false |
| 17:21.52 | SparFux | hoxu: or better || exit $? |
| 17:22.03 | hoxu | SparFux, if you want to keep the exit code |
| 17:22.06 | dacs | mhymn_: i am currently on 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 |
| 17:22.08 | SparFux | hoxu: oh, that' even better! |
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| 17:22.28 | mhymn_ | dacs: no idea |
| 17:22.35 | hoxu | !absg SparFux |
| 17:22.35 | dpkg | SparFux: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
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| 17:22.42 | hoxu | SparFux, ^ maybe be helpful |
| 17:22.47 | hoxu | -be |
| 17:22.49 | SparFux | hoxu: thx alot. |
| 17:23.26 | hoxu | SparFux, also, the people on #bash are wizards, but you should dig around the docs first :p |
| 17:23.41 | SparFux | hoxu: Ok, I think I will be able to manage this. |
| 17:23.50 | SparFux | hox: the trap thing is cool. |
| 17:24.17 | dutchfish | hoxu, chx it doesnt handle kernel fixes separately, so you are on your own to solve that one ... |
| 17:24.42 | hoxu | dutchfish, that sucks if there's no exclude pattern |
| 17:24.50 | dutchfish | hoxu, yup |
| 17:24.51 | hoxu | quick, someone file a wishlist bug :P |
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| 17:25.57 | dutchfish | hoxu, anyway i like to do updates manually, so i have my new ones mailed as a list daily ... that works for me |
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| 17:29.40 | J6Dof | hi, can any one upload debian lenny's first disk image on rapidshare ? it would be very great i f anyone could |
| 17:29.55 | abrotman | why can't you? |
| 17:31.09 | onetinsoldier | J6Dof, why can't you just get it from the Debian website? |
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| 17:32.05 | mphill | rapidshare is ghetto |
| 17:33.18 | dutchfish | !ping |
| 17:33.18 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:33.22 | J6Dof | because i want it to be split into 100 MB parts |
| 17:33.44 | mhymn_ | omg |
| 17:33.49 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 17:33.58 | themill | !netinstall |
| 17:33.59 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 17:34.02 | onetinsoldier | ok, back to work |
| 17:34.18 | dacs | onetinsoldier: whats up mate |
| 17:34.26 | hoxu | J6Dof, what is your actual problem? |
| 17:34.30 | dacs | abrotman: howudoin |
| 17:34.36 | J6Dof | i know about netinstall , i want the iso file |
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| 17:35.02 | hoxu | J6Dof, what is your actual problem? |
| 17:35.11 | dutchfish | !jigdo |
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| 17:35.11 | dpkg | hmm... jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 17:35.57 | onetinsoldier | hi dacs, i'm working and doing a few things when i can, like just got kde4 from experimental installed. next thing is to get sound working if i can. how about you? what's up with you matey? |
| 17:36.25 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: you know what 'direct link' or 'resume' is?!? |
| 17:37.28 | J6Dof | hoxu:nothing very special , if i want to download the cd iso i cant download it at 60 Kbs but if i can have the file split into 7 files then i can download it at 7 * 60 spped |
| 17:37.49 | J6Dof | speed limits |
| 17:37.50 | dutchfish | J6Dof, jigdo would serve you well then |
| 17:38.02 | hoxu | J6Dof, if you have access to wget - you can just "wget -c" several times |
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| 17:38.57 | dacs | onetinsoldier: nothin' much , working too, it slow here, so i thought to dig again and try to get my Hauppauge_HVR-1600 card working and i am still getting http://paste.debian.net/22942/ ... FACK it don't know what to do with this stupid card |
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| 17:40.09 | J6Dof | hoxu : is it of help to do "wget -c" several times on 1 file ? |
| 17:40.09 | onetinsoldier | dacs, damn, roger. i seriously doubt i canbe of any help but i will have a look in a minute or two |
| 17:40.23 | hoxu | J6Dof, I don't know how your ISP's speed limits work |
| 17:40.46 | hoxu | J6Dof, if it's based on TCP connection age and transferred bytes, then it should |
| 17:41.06 | M1s3ry | hey quick question, is anyone familiar with getting compiz to work properly (without seg faulting and resulting in a screwed up enviroment) on KDE 4.1? Running Lenny |
| 17:41.33 | hoxu | M1s3ry, tried asking #debian-kde ? |
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| 17:41.44 | M1s3ry | ahh... didn't know existed. thanks |
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| 17:42.49 | J6Dof | hoxu: let me test it |
| 17:44.14 | onetinsoldier | dacs, looks like a kernel problem. what version of the kernel do you have? |
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| 17:46.00 | onetinsoldier | dacs, not that it matters here, but you're using a 32-bit system, correct? |
| 17:46.46 | dacs | I am currently on 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 which i got from kernel.org |
| 17:47.13 | J6Dof | is there any download manager with multi-treading ability ? |
| 17:47.21 | jelly | dacs: you didn't get any "bpo" stuff from kernel.org! |
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| 17:47.32 | J6Dof | multi-threading* |
| 17:47.45 | jelly | dacs: that's a backports.org version tag |
| 17:47.50 | themill | dacs: -bpo.1 doesn't sound like a kernel.org kernel... that's backports.org |
| 17:48.19 | themill | looks around for the source of the echo |
| 17:49.41 | dacs | oh wait, hmmm i lost track of what i did, i know i download and compiled one from kernel.org |
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| 17:50.54 | sukcezz | Hi I am from Poland and I want install gnome to my destop and i can't install this. I dont have gnome package in repository |
| 17:51.25 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: 'axel' rocks! |
| 17:51.46 | stew | sukcezz: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:52.45 | dacs | sukcezz: you first need to update , then make sure you get keyring |
| 17:53.18 | dacs | !tell sukcezz apt-key add - |
| 17:53.21 | sukcezz | update apt or system ? |
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| 17:54.33 | sukcezz | What key ? |
| 17:54.40 | sukcezz | I dont have a key |
| 17:54.42 | themill | sukcezz: ignore dacs |
| 17:54.48 | dacs | sukcezz: you better stick with stew if he is welling to help you , he knows better than me |
| 17:55.33 | dacs | sukcezz: also use pastebin to show your /etc/apt/source.list |
| 17:55.52 | sukcezz | Why I can't install gnome ? |
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| 17:55.57 | dacs | themill: thats not nice of you |
| 17:55.58 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 17:55.58 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:56.39 | hoxu | !basic apt-get troubleshooting |
| 17:56.39 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also provide us with your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 17:56.42 | meyou | you lack a screen |
| 17:56.55 | OkupantE | chanel for debian spanish ? |
| 17:56.58 | hoxu | !debian-es |
| 17:56.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:58.01 | themill | sukcezz: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" as stew requested. |
| 17:58.06 | J6Dof | mhymn:axel doesnt support multi-threading, i just found dget maybe you want to take a look |
| 17:58.08 | sukcezz | So, I must paste screen ? |
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| 17:59.12 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: sure it does, i.e 'axel -n 7' |
| 17:59.23 | mhymn_ | judd: versions dget |
| 17:59.24 | judd | mhymn_: dget -- |
| 17:59.51 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: and that 'dget' isn't in debian |
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| 18:01.06 | themill | mhymn_: dget is a utility to download debian source packages (devscripts package)... probably not what is wanted. (chances are there is more than one utility called dget though) |
| 18:01.30 | J6Dof | mhymn: yeah , not in the repos , its sf page is http://sourceforge.net/projects/dget/ |
| 18:01.38 | mhymn_ | thanks themill |
| 18:02.08 | onetinsoldier | debget maybe? |
| 18:02.11 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: but axel is in repos and it does what you you want |
| 18:02.27 | mhymn_ | not you you, but you |
| 18:03.25 | onetinsoldier | debget - download/compile source and binary Debian packages |
| 18:03.26 | J6Dof | mhymn: yeah , thanks , my laziness didnt look up in the manual : |
| 18:03.33 | \amethyst | "uses multithreading" is not a feature unless 1. you have multiple cores, and 2. downloading is very CPU-intensive for you for some reason (or, your network connection is really really fast) |
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| 18:03.42 | tompaw | hi |
| 18:03.51 | dutchfish | mm.. what about http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 18:04.10 | onetinsoldier | howdy tompaw |
| 18:04.50 | tompaw | I have lenny installed - is it possible to install firefox/iceweasel 2.0.0.18 just for one user? |
| 18:05.00 | tompaw | note - lenny already jumped to 3.x |
| 18:06.05 | tralala | tompaw, sure, you can try to compile it from etch sources |
| 18:07.03 | tompaw | tralala: that's the thing - is it possible to install it "locally" (just for one user) from binary package? |
| 18:07.04 | \amethyst | tompaw: not using dpkg, but you can install a copy under the user's directory or something |
| 18:07.17 | J6Dof | so no one could upload lenny on rapidshare ? |
| 18:07.44 | tralala | tompaw, not easily, no |
| 18:07.46 | ktwilight | J6Dof, whhy? |
| 18:07.55 | tompaw | hm... maybe compiling is a good idea then |
| 18:07.58 | hoxu | J6Dof, you were given enough solutions I believe |
| 18:08.04 | \amethyst | tompaw: I don't know how successful it would be using the .deb binary package for that, but what about the mozilla download? |
| 18:08.05 | meyou | wow |
| 18:08.07 | tompaw | but firefox doesn't compile easily, does it? |
| 18:08.21 | meyou | i never ever thought i'd see someone requesting that a file you can get via torrent, ftp, or http, be rehosted on crapidshare |
| 18:08.28 | tompaw | \amethyst: they reckon that compiling ff is not "standard" and I should be using their tools |
| 18:08.38 | J6Dof | hoxu:the problem still exists , i cant have access to linux in my university |
| 18:08.44 | meyou | "hey could you please put square wheels on my car? thanks" |
| 18:08.44 | tompaw | \amethyst: but what if I use source package with debian patches? |
| 18:08.48 | mhymn_ | !slap J6Dof |
| 18:08.48 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across J6Dof's face |
| 18:08.55 | tompaw | \amethyst: do I still have to use mozilla's fancy compile helper? |
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| 18:09.28 | \amethyst | tompaw: I meant get the mozilla foundation's Linux binary package |
| 18:09.48 | \amethyst | tompaw: I was under the impression that it allowed installing into an arbitrary dir, but I could be wrong |
| 18:09.49 | hoxu | J6Dof, excuse me? Have they banned all mirrors or what? A lot of universities are *mirroring* debian, I can't believe that |
| 18:10.13 | tompaw | \amethyst: I see, ok |
| 18:10.17 | dutchfish | hoxu, bingo |
| 18:10.23 | \amethyst | wait, your university won't let you download Linux but will let you use rapidshare? |
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| 18:11.01 | J6Dof | hoxu:not my university |
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| 18:11.10 | mhymn_ | university of rapid and share |
| 18:12.07 | hoxu | J6Dof, is your university funded by Microsoft or what? |
| 18:12.26 | helo | laughts at "Here, do thou read this fine manual, and put upon thyself this diaper, for thou dost pollute the very air." |
| 18:12.27 | hoxu | Tehran, Iran |
| 18:12.29 | \amethyst | ohh... the problem was that downloads over 100MB get throttled |
| 18:12.44 | hoxu | \amethyst, to which I suggested using wget -c multiple times... |
| 18:13.01 | funyun | i followed a tutorial which told me to do "sudo apt-get install xorg kde-core xorg-dev ibqt3-mt-dev gcc-c++ kdelibs4-dev". that installed a lot of stuff (about 10 minutes worth). and now my server is extremely laggy. when i typ "top" there are a lot of processes running as root that i don't remember being there before. is that what's causing the lag? how can i fix this? |
| 18:13.09 | \amethyst | oh, misread |
| 18:13.19 | \amethyst | hoxu: ah, it was that each connection gets throttled to a particular speed |
| 18:13.28 | J6Dof | hoxu : no way ! i live in tehran , iran |
| 18:13.29 | \amethyst | hoxu: so one would have to download the parts in parallel |
| 18:13.32 | hoxu | \amethyst, that'd be my guess |
| 18:13.44 | \amethyst | um |
| 18:13.48 | OkupantE | hi |
| 18:13.53 | hoxu | \amethyst, that was suggested as well, I missed why it wasn't accepted as a solution |
| 18:14.00 | SparFux | hi |
| 18:14.04 | \amethyst | hoxu: he's looking for someone to host the parts |
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| 18:14.24 | OkupantE | i dont have see youtube videos :-/, but i installed flash plugins |
| 18:14.40 | \amethyst | curl has a -C option that lets you say how much of the input to skip |
| 18:14.50 | \amethyst | so you could run it seven times in parallel, each with a different -C |
| 18:15.21 | mhymn_ | \amethyst: well, you know, axel! |
| 18:15.41 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 18:16.31 | J6Dof | guys , no linux in my univ :-( |
| 18:17.21 | \amethyst | J6Dof: there are similar download accelerators for Windows |
| 18:17.31 | hoxu | J6Dof, wget works on windows |
| 18:17.43 | dutchfish | J6Dof, why not get install media send to you, and use jigdo to update? |
| 18:18.17 | dutchfish | J6Dof, i use that when in foreign countries |
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| 18:19.25 | J6Dof | cant install any program on windows due to user restrictions |
| 18:19.42 | J6Dof | dutchfish : could you explain more |
| 18:19.48 | karlpinc | I'm running etch and have a usb to serial converter box. I need to manually run 'modprobe usbserial' before plugging in the device or I don't get /dev/ttyUSB* entries. I've two questions. Is it supposed to be this way? If it is, what's the debian way to have the module load at boot. (I used to use modules.conf, but I understand that's now obsolete?) Where do I rtfm? Thanks. |
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| 18:20.05 | karlpinc | J6Dof : You want to run debian? Why not use a live cd? |
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| 18:20.27 | dutchfish | J6Dof, i get the cd's (curent ones) send to me, in offtime i create new ones from the old through jigdo on my own laptop |
| 18:20.46 | dutchfish | !jigdo |
| 18:20.47 | dpkg | i guess jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 18:21.13 | \amethyst | J6Dof: and I take it you don't have access to bittorrent? |
| 18:21.25 | dutchfish | J6Dof, i get that even done over analog telephone line connections |
| 18:21.26 | J6Dof | yep |
| 18:21.26 | \amethyst | jigdo doesn't help if you can't run software, does it? |
| 18:21.41 | J6Dof | no |
| 18:21.41 | mhymn_ | karlpinc: /etc/modules |
| 18:21.48 | dutchfish | no |
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| 18:22.40 | dutchfish | J6Dof, just curieus , how did you manage to run irc then? |
| 18:23.04 | mhymn_ | chatzilla? |
| 18:23.06 | abrotman | hi dacs |
| 18:23.08 | karlpinc | mhymn_ : Thanks. Where do I rtfm about what's supposed to go in there and what modules are automagically loaded? (Or you can tell me. ;-) |
| 18:23.25 | dutchfish | mhymn_, ah ic |
| 18:23.30 | dacs | abrotman: sup man |
| 18:23.32 | \amethyst | there are various web-based IRC clients |
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| 18:23.59 | J6Dof | dutchfish:chatzilla on portable firefox |
| 18:24.08 | dacs | \amethyst: where were you hiding |
| 18:24.19 | dutchfish | J6Dof, :) |
| 18:24.22 | mhymn_ | karlpinc: man modules :P |
| 18:24.25 | \amethyst | dacs: in plain sight |
| 18:24.38 | \amethyst | dacs: but I've gtg now |
| 18:24.55 | dacs | \amethyst: l8r |
| 18:25.13 | dacs | abrotman: you busy |
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| 18:25.45 | abrotman | dacs: kind of . why? |
| 18:25.57 | J6Dof | thanks for help guys , i appreciate that , farewell |
| 18:25.59 | karlpinc | mhymn_ : Yeah, that's what I thought. Something populates it automatically. Maybe during the install? How does the installer decide what needs to be there? Somebody knows.... |
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| 18:26.33 | dacs | http://paste.debian.net/22942/ |
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| 18:27.10 | pumpkin_ | i need to know which PATA HD hides behind /dev/sdb. Is it the master or the slave ...? |
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| 18:27.31 | karlpinc | pumpkin_ : sdb should not be pata. |
| 18:27.59 | karlpinc | pumpkin_ : you can dig through /proc or /sys for info. |
| 18:27.59 | MrBobBarker | hey kids, does anyone have recommendations for a good network FS? I've tried NFS/sshfs, I'm probably going to try to implement CIFS for a try |
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| 18:28.04 | MrBobBarker | anything else I should try? |
| 18:28.13 | pumpkin_ | karlpinc, hda/hda/hdc... is longer used, libata mappes them all to the sdX names. |
| 18:28.33 | karlpinc | pumpkin_ : Ah, I'm on etch. As of when? |
| 18:28.33 | abrotman | dacs: don't know anything about v4l but it sounds like some ABI weirdness |
| 18:28.50 | pumpkin_ | karlpinc, sid. |
| 18:29.08 | funyun | i followed a tutorial which told me to do "sudo apt-get install xorg kde-core xorg-dev ibqt3-mt-dev gcc-c++ kdelibs4-dev". that installed a lot of stuff (about 10 minutes worth). and now my server is extremely laggy. when i typ "top" there are a lot of processes running as root that i don't remember being there before. is that what's causing the lag? how can i fix this? |
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| 18:29.54 | MrBobBarker | funyun: did you start xorg? |
| 18:30.28 | MrBobBarker | it appears the only service in that list would be xorg, though by just isntalling them it shouldn't cause an issue |
| 18:30.34 | mhymn_ | funyun: what kind of server needs kde or even xorg? |
| 18:30.51 | funyun | MrBobBarker: no. and i removed it |
| 18:30.52 | macbroadcast | i have a qeustion, is there a DNS/TSIG package for debian 4.0 , thanks |
| 18:30.59 | karlpinc | funyun : You could uninstall all that stuff. Or find out why it's slow. vmstat and ps are the main tools. You want to know if it's thrashing swap, io bound, cpu bound, or what. |
| 18:31.01 | MrBobBarker | well what exactly is "new" in your top list? |
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| 18:32.24 | funyun | MrBobBarker: i don't know. i'm a noob. but before there were about 10 processes or less. now the list keeps going. i don't even know how to see the rest. want me to pastebin them? |
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| 18:34.01 | funyun | MrBobBarker: http://pastebin.ca/1277054 |
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| 18:35.20 | karlpinc | macbroadcast : Doesn't bind9 do everything? |
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| 18:36.42 | axolx | hey guys -- im trying to set up an Etch server on Amazon EC2. Any recommendations of a solid clean image on EC2 that i can start from? |
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| 18:39.29 | funyun | karlpinc: how do i find that out? |
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| 18:43.47 | abrotman | why is your server running X at all ? |
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| 18:44.13 | macbroadcast | karlpinc so you think i could runs this on a linux / debian machine ?http://www.dns-sd.org/ServerSetup.html |
| 18:44.16 | dutchfish | axolx, http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=639 |
| 18:44.22 | nascentmind | after an update i am not able to see my swap disk. |
| 18:44.31 | nascentmind | can somebody help me with this? |
| 18:44.37 | macbroadcast | its about this shared secrets stuff |
| 18:44.51 | funyun | abrotman: can ya help me out? |
| 18:45.01 | abrotman | don't use X on a server |
| 18:45.12 | funyun | abrotman: okay. what next? |
| 18:45.19 | abrotman | uninstall X |
| 18:45.24 | abrotman | i'm serious .. uninstall kde .. uninstall X |
| 18:45.25 | funyun | abrotman: done. next? |
| 18:46.20 | dutchfish | says sigh, the world will prolly not end by evil, but by stupidity ... |
| 18:46.24 | karlpinc | funyun : It requires reading man vmstat to know what the columns are, and man ps to get per-process stuff. |
| 18:46.31 | nascentmind | is it the sda, ha naming convention again? |
| 18:46.36 | nascentmind | ha/hda |
| 18:46.37 | mhymn_ | dutchfish: +1 |
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| 18:48.26 | MrBobBarker | funyun: there's nothing unusual with your top |
| 18:48.30 | MrBobBarker | pastebin this command: |
| 18:48.32 | MrBobBarker | ps -A fux |
| 18:48.35 | MrBobBarker | that's right, fucks |
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| 18:49.09 | xdr | http://www.3monkeyz.net/phpBB3/English/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1167 <-- they should be dead about 60-70 years ago |
| 18:49.38 | RichiH | is there a command which does nothing? |
| 18:49.44 | funyun | MrBobBarker: http://pastebin.ca/1277074 |
| 18:49.50 | RichiH | noop, none, etc do not work |
| 18:50.09 | stew | RichiH: false? |
| 18:50.17 | stew | err true? |
| 18:50.22 | RichiH | stew: argh, yes |
| 18:50.32 | stew | depending on if you want it to do nothing successfully or not :) |
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| 18:50.56 | MrBobBarker | funyun: |
| 18:51.00 | MrBobBarker | you're running unreal tournmanet |
| 18:51.07 | MrBobBarker | that *might* be why you're using lots of resources |
| 18:51.10 | MrBobBarker | lol |
| 18:51.12 | karlpinc | macbroadcast : There's docs in /usr/share/doc/bind9-doc/ if you install the bind9-doc package. I forget whether there's specific steps for dnssec but you can check your howto against the available options. Or just try it. |
| 18:51.19 | MrBobBarker | you're also running filezilla, and wine |
| 18:51.25 | MrBobBarker | and vnc |
| 18:51.29 | RichiH | stew: successfully |
| 18:51.31 | RichiH | http://rafb.net/p/WLdpV921.html |
| 18:51.37 | funyun | MrBobBarker: what's unreal tournament? |
| 18:51.37 | MrBobBarker | you're also running artsd which is a sound daemon |
| 18:51.39 | RichiH | pasted with the shell script :p |
| 18:51.41 | MrBobBarker | it's a video game |
| 18:51.49 | funyun | wtf |
| 18:51.54 | MrBobBarker | # |
| 18:52.02 | MrBobBarker | look at line 80 and below |
| 18:52.18 | MrBobBarker | pretty much everything below line 80 is not system critical, all user applications |
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| 18:52.29 | mhymn_ | xdr: #debian-offtopic or read topic please |
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| 18:52.35 | stew | RichiH: i don't know what i'm supposed to be looking at here |
| 18:52.38 | MrBobBarker | filezilla = ftp, fluxbox = window manager, ut = game, irssi = irc, wine = windows API layer, artsd = sound daemon |
| 18:52.57 | stew | RichiH: true is both a shell builtin and /bin/true which both do nothing and exit with success |
| 18:53.16 | RichiH | stew: if you use zsh, just paste it into a file and execute it :) |
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| 18:53.46 | RichiH | stew: if you are not a) you fail b) you should use zsh 3) the paste is not relevant for you :p |
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| 18:54.31 | funyun | MrBobBarker: how do i stop those from running and delete them for good? |
| 18:54.35 | xdr | mhymn_: sorry, was just a wrong paste |
| 18:54.45 | MrBobBarker | see that number beside the user? that's the PID |
| 18:54.49 | MrBobBarker | kill <pid> |
| 18:54.54 | MrBobBarker | or kill -9 <pid> if the process is being stubborn |
| 18:54.55 | karlpinc | RichiH : zsh is reasonably pointless, imo. If you're going to run a non-standard shell, may as well run python or something else that's really useful. |
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| 18:55.06 | nascentmind | how can i make the access control come when i am accessing different mounts? |
| 18:55.13 | macbroadcast | thanks macbroadcast so i might try dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 128 -n ZONE <your zone> |
| 18:55.20 | MrBobBarker | as for how to uninstall, that's a combination of using apt-get remove <package> and manually removing stuff |
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| 18:55.43 | stew | karlpinc: how is it any more non-standard than bash? |
| 18:55.46 | MrBobBarker | like UT would not have been installed via apt-get, you would have to track it down and delete the files off of the filesystem manually |
| 18:55.52 | macbroadcast | ops karlpinc i mean dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 128 -n ZONE <your zone> |
| 18:55.53 | karlpinc | MrBobBarker : (In his case he probably wants "aptitude purge ...") |
| 18:56.20 | MrBobBarker | shrugs |
| 18:56.20 | karlpinc | macbroadcast : I'm afraid I don't know the details. Dnssec is on my todo list. |
| 18:56.24 | funyun | ya, ut i need. i need ut, filezilla, and irssi |
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| 18:56.44 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 18:56.47 | funyun | and wine |
| 18:57.04 | MrBobBarker | well I recommend installing htop and going down the list to kill things |
| 18:57.06 | MrBobBarker | htop > top |
| 18:57.08 | macbroadcast | great karlpinc i need it very urgent for this project http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/uia/ |
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| 18:57.26 | macbroadcast | so its working just with apple right now |
| 18:57.26 | funyun | okay |
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| 18:57.42 | macbroadcast | there is a note in the read me |
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| 18:58.02 | macbroadcast | and i found out in avahi there is no efford in implementing it |
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| 18:58.19 | MrBobBarker | macbroadcast: isn't avahi supposed to be an automatic networking thing? |
| 18:58.22 | RichiH | karlpinc: i am with stew there. i am not even sure how your argument makes sense |
| 18:58.32 | RichiH | karlpinc: bash is far from being a standard |
| 18:58.32 | funyun | MrBobBarker: udevd --daemon i don't need right? |
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| 18:58.36 | macbroadcast | yes but its about wide area!!!! |
| 18:58.38 | MrBobBarker | lol |
| 18:58.39 | MrBobBarker | you do |
| 18:58.43 | RichiH | karlpinc: and zsh is about ten times as powerful |
| 18:58.43 | MrBobBarker | that's what populates /dev |
| 18:58.44 | stew | RichiH: it works |
| 18:58.49 | macbroadcast | so this works just with APPLE |
| 18:58.52 | RichiH | stew: i know :) |
| 18:58.52 | macbroadcast | BONJOUR |
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| 18:59.01 | RichiH | stew: and i like the fact that it works :) |
| 18:59.14 | macbroadcast | and i dont want to use it because of apples licence |
| 18:59.51 | karlpinc | macbroadcast : There might be a channel just for bind. |
| 18:59.51 | funyun | MrBobBarker: could ya help me with what i do/don't need. i think i'll screw my server up if i try on my own.. |
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| 19:00.23 | macbroadcast | you understand what i am talking about karlpinc ? service ADVERTISING!! |
| 19:00.37 | karlpinc | macbroadcast : Apparently not. |
| 19:00.39 | macbroadcast | over wide area bonjour |
| 19:01.05 | macbroadcast | so when you klcik on one of the links i posted you might |
| 19:01.10 | macbroadcast | ;-) |
| 19:01.17 | macbroadcast | understand |
| 19:02.06 | macbroadcast | karlpinc http://www.dns-sd.org/ServerSetup.html |
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| 19:02.25 | macbroadcast | Service Registration Zone for Wide-Area Bonjour |
| 19:02.37 | macbroadcast | Without a shared secret, anyone who has access to your Bonjour name server can make registrations. This may be acceptable in some situations, like behind a firewall when you trust all the people who have access to your server. |
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| 19:03.03 | macbroadcast | ut normally when running an operational Wide-Area Bonjour service you'll want to set up your name server to accept updates only from authorized clients. |
| 19:03.06 | macbroadcast | but# |
| 19:03.34 | macbroadcast | did you understand now ? karlpinc |
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| 19:06.10 | funyun | MrBobBarker: could ya help me with what i do/don't need. i think i'll screw my server up if i try on my own.. |
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| 19:08.29 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 19:08.30 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
| 19:08.38 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 19:08.51 | dutchfish | rofl |
| 19:08.56 | onetinsoldier | and i do mean lol.. as in rofl |
| 19:09.06 | tralala | !rofl |
| 19:09.16 | onetinsoldier | that was just too perfect hoxu |
| 19:09.24 | tralala | ha, dpkg dosn't have a rant for rofl? |
| 19:09.33 | dutchfish | !lol |
| 19:09.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 19:10.57 | dutchfish | i have a strange issue with xorg, it randomly takes extreme cpu cycles and freezes up, specially after a wakeup from screen powersave, cpu utilisation whops to ~60-80%, and no mouse click control, but mouse movements work fine, where to search? no errors in logs so |
| 19:11.21 | dutchfish | this lenny latest on amd64 stock kernel |
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| 19:11.30 | GNU\colossus | hello there |
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| 19:12.08 | GNU\colossus | I'm about to upgrade an openvz container with Sarge installed to Etch via apt-get - is there anything I should be aware of before kicking the process off? |
| 19:12.17 | linguini | What's the kosher way to tell if one is running on a Debian-based linux? |
| 19:12.22 | tralala | dutchfish, I have a problem with screen powersave too - X wakes up, but shows dark screen with mouse cursor only. I have to change to a text console and back to get the image |
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| 19:12.31 | onetinsoldier | dutchfish, sems like i have seen numerous people say there are some issues with powersave, hibernation, and the like |
| 19:12.33 | tralala | lenny with intel driver |
| 19:12.42 | dutchfish | tralala, yes, i had that 2x, exactly the same |
| 19:12.43 | dacs | abrotman: what do you mean "ABI weirdness" please? |
| 19:12.45 | hoxu | linguini, /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:13.00 | dutchfish | tralala, black screen |
| 19:13.08 | hoxu | linguini, -based, oh... well, it'd probably at least have dpkg |
| 19:13.13 | dutchfish | tralala, yes i have intel driver too |
| 19:13.13 | onetinsoldier | dutchfish, but just screen powersave? hmmmm |
| 19:13.16 | abrotman | dacs: it's telling you about a symbol version mismatch |
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| 19:13.49 | dacs | abrotman: yes, but i don't understand what does it mean by symbol mismatch? |
| 19:14.00 | dacs | errrr this is driving me nuts |
| 19:14.17 | linguini | hoxu: Thanks. I'll try using [ -f /etc/debian_version ] && { ... } for now... |
| 19:14.20 | dutchfish | onetinsoldier, no, when i try a fresh install without x, its nicely does all the powersaving modes without any issue over 96 hours |
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| 19:14.39 | dutchfish | onetinsoldier, when i instal x its over |
| 19:14.52 | dutchfish | onetinsoldier, its randomly so, cant get a hold on it |
| 19:14.59 | onetinsoldier | dutchfish, so this is after installing a lot of software? |
| 19:15.02 | hoxu | linguini, hum, it's part of base-files, which is Priority: required, FWIW |
| 19:15.18 | dutchfish | onetinsoldier, no, clean install (baseinstall) and only x |
| 19:15.31 | onetinsoldier | dutchfish, ok, i misunderstood |
| 19:15.37 | hoxu | linguini, I don't honestly know if it's in debian-based distros... checking for dpkg may be a better idea |
| 19:15.46 | onetinsoldier | ok, without x, i see |
| 19:15.49 | tralala | dutchfish, mine does resume correctly if it has gone into deep sleep, i.e. has been off by dpms. If it's only blanked by X though, it doesn't restore the image. |
| 19:15.54 | dutchfish | onetinsoldier, and it get worse when i add kdm or gdm to it |
| 19:15.58 | onetinsoldier | thinks i need to read first! |
| 19:16.23 | onetinsoldier | dutchfish, roger.. doubt i can be of any help |
| 19:16.28 | hoxu | linguini, if you think about it, it wouldn't make sense $distro would have /etc/debian_version, rather than something like /etc/$distro_version :P |
| 19:16.36 | dutchfish | tralala, bingo, at least on this machine with intel |
| 19:17.13 | Lifeform | Hi... Anyone in the US or Australia here ? Need to test the transfer rate on this UK server..... ==> http://83.138.148.118/downloadtest.txt |
| 19:17.16 | tralala | dutchfish, andsuspend to ram kills the machine on resume |
| 19:17.18 | Lifeform | Excellent if you can help.. |
| 19:17.25 | dutchfish | tralala, yup |
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| 19:17.45 | dutchfish | tralala, but that i have switched of already for a long time |
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| 19:18.01 | tralala | dutchfish, and my hotswap doesn't attach/detach my dvd device on the ultra bay. I filled in a bug report on that. |
| 19:18.04 | dutchfish | tralala, because i dontneed thta on this desktop |
| 19:18.12 | adama_ | Lifeform: downloading at 100 KB/sec from Yukon, Canada |
| 19:18.26 | dutchfish | tralala, no problems with that, but i cant resume iSCSII nor NFS |
| 19:18.50 | tralala | and my pcmcia modem doesn't work since etch |
| 19:18.58 | dutchfish | tralala, statd is still playing funny tricks on me too |
| 19:19.09 | dutchfish | tralala, withotu nfs kocking its ok |
| 19:19.18 | dutchfish | s/withotu/without |
| 19:19.19 | Lifeform | tnx... that´s way to slow, but thank...! |
| 19:19.38 | tralala | yeah... it seems that .26 breaks a lot of things |
| 19:19.39 | dutchfish | s/kocking/locking sorry for my typos |
| 19:19.58 | tralala | not to mention lirc gpio which I actively use on my desktop |
| 19:20.03 | dacs | when i lsmod | grep videodev, i get videodev 30528 0 and v4l1_compat 11524 1 videodev. then i do modprobe videodev , and i am still getting the same result....? am i doing something wrong |
| 19:20.16 | dutchfish | tralala, if i install my 2.6.25 latest vanilla all problems are gone, except the statd issues |
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| 19:20.40 | onetinsoldier | abrotman, ok, i think me and dacs are wondering if you can give a laymans explantion of what symbol mismatch is. can ya? |
| 19:20.41 | dutchfish | tralala, but i believe they are in as patches already |
| 19:20.51 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: stay out of it |
| 19:21.07 | onetinsoldier | jesus! i was just curiosu is all.. christ |
| 19:21.13 | dacs | abrotman: you crack me up man ...hahahahahahah |
| 19:21.17 | dutchfish | tralala, without locking it works ok (NFS) |
| 19:21.43 | linguini | hoxu: Not sure I understand about /etc/$distro_version, but I'll change my check to `if dpkg ; then` |
| 19:21.44 | dacs | tell onetinsoldier lets go out for a wlak lol |
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| 19:22.02 | onetinsoldier | fook |
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| 19:22.05 | tralala | does unstable have linux > .26? |
| 19:22.24 | dutchfish | tralala, hotswap issues i could solve with tweaking automount, it tries to start to early |
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| 19:22.44 | dutchfish | tralala, same for nfs-kernel-server |
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| 19:22.50 | hoxu | linguini, you probably want: "if which dpkg &>/dev/null; then"... |
| 19:23.12 | linguini | hoxu: Good point; thanks again. |
| 19:23.12 | dutchfish | tralala, but i have no clue on X issues to get a grip on them |
| 19:23.22 | onetinsoldier | anyone know what a symbol version mismatch is? i am just curious |
| 19:23.26 | funyun | i followed a tutorial which told me to do "sudo apt-get install xorg kde-core xorg-dev ibqt3-mt-dev gcc-c++ kdelibs4-dev". that installed a lot of stuff (about 10 minutes worth). and now my server is extremely laggy. when i typ "top" there are a lot of processes running as root that i don't remember being there before. is that what's causing the lag? how can i fix this? |
| 19:23.29 | tralala | dutchfish, hmm, I'll try to play with automount |
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| 19:24.23 | dutchfish | tralala, using 2.6.27.7 vanilla with some urgent debian patches aplied manually didnt work either, it made it even worse (freezing up) |
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| 19:24.37 | horst | please help http://tinyurl.com/6387la |
| 19:24.42 | horst | please help http://tinyurl.com/6387la |
| 19:24.44 | tralala | dutchfish, me neither. Even worse I have no time to dig in. At least my X doesn't freeze or anything so it's just a minor annoyance. |
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| 19:25.25 | dutchfish | tralala, compiling a 2.6.26.6 kernel atm with debugsupport, lets see what that brings |
| 19:25.29 | abrotman | dacs: did you google the error ? |
| 19:25.48 | dacs | onetinsoldier: i am not sure if this is true but i think it means and i quote "usually means that you forgot to load a module required for the operation" |
| 19:26.23 | Si1ver1ock | is there a virtualbox mail server appliance lying somewhere i can snag? |
| 19:26.36 | dacs | abrotman: not exact answers, but something related ...http://www.quickcamteam.net/documentation/faq/unknown-symbols-on-load |
| 19:26.36 | onetinsoldier | dacs, i read you |
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| 19:27.45 | abrotman | dacs: how did you compile the v4l driver? |
| 19:28.11 | dutchfish | tralala, 1 q: does your cpu support ia64 extensions? |
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| 19:28.42 | tralala | dutchfish, ia64? no it's a p3 |
| 19:28.47 | dacs | abrotman: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.bz2 then Unpack, 'make menuconfig', 'make', 'make install' (as root), 'make unload' (as root) and run 'modprobe cx18'. |
| 19:28.48 | dutchfish | tralala, ok |
| 19:28.49 | abrotman | dacs: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 19:29.05 | abrotman | i don't think you mean ia64 extensions |
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| 19:29.13 | tralala | dutchfish, why ia64? what does ia64 have to do with it? |
| 19:29.17 | dutchfish | tralala, mine is E8000 series, tried it on E8500 mostly |
| 19:29.30 | tralala | that's not ia64, it's amd64 |
| 19:29.36 | dutchfish | tralala, yes |
| 19:29.38 | toolz | Hi. is there any way to block someone who's opening many connections on one port to my machine, with the purpose of attacking? |
| 19:29.59 | toolz | I mean lets say block someone who's trying to connect on any port for more than 5 times |
| 19:30.08 | toolz | someone I mean same IP |
| 19:30.09 | rebecka | Is there any way to make all sound go through |
| 19:30.11 | rebecka | ed |
| 19:30.29 | rebecka | esd* sorry bout that... |
| 19:30.50 | tralala | only if the players support esd output |
| 19:30.54 | dutchfish | tralala, ok, i let you know if i can dream up something |
| 19:31.05 | tralala | dutchfish, thanks |
| 19:31.16 | dacs | abrotman: Linux bdc-srvr 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Nov 10 16:07:40 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:31.35 | tralala | toolz, I think shorewall has something |
| 19:31.49 | toolz | tralala, whats shorewall |
| 19:32.11 | dutchfish | !shorewall |
| 19:32.11 | dpkg | The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/, #shorewall @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:32.34 | rebecka | tralala: ex. amarok? or maybe it's xine that needs to use esd? |
| 19:32.40 | jberg- | huh, what packages do i need for git? the git package didn't do much |
| 19:32.59 | dutchfish | or you might try smoothwall too, its actually very good |
| 19:33.06 | dacs | abrotman: if you don't mind please append my name infront of your message , that way it will grap my attention |
| 19:33.11 | tralala | rebecka, I would expect amarok to support arts. Xine might have esd support - check the options |
| 19:34.13 | tralala | jberg-, the git package on etch isn't actually the git vcs |
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| 19:34.38 | mhymn_ | jberg-: git-core? |
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| 19:38.53 | abrotman | dacs: hold on .. phone |
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| 19:40.30 | clodde | !nut |
| 19:40.31 | dpkg | from memory, nut is Network UPS Tools, a client/server UPS monitoring system that permits sharing between several machines. Packaged for Debian as 'nut', optional packages as 'nut-*' (excluding 'nut-nutrition'). Read /usr/share/doc/nut/README.Debian.gz for installation instructions. http://www.networkupstools.org/ |
| 19:40.56 | dutchfish | tralala, found out so far that it has to do with usb, no kidding, apparently the changes in 2.6.26 inluences all mounts over usb related to powersaving modes, 2.6.27 has even new modules for usb, i delve into it |
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| 19:44.38 | dacs | abrotman: ok |
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| 19:47.08 | rebecka | so I got it to work but it really sounds like crap, is there any way to make it suck less? |
| 19:47.08 | cbeok | so, I have two volumes on my machine (say /dev/hda and /dev/hdb). I have just mirrored the contents of hda to hdb, making sure to edit /fstab to reflect the new location. I'm using lilo and I would like to boot into the new volume. However, I would also like to be able to boot into the old volume: what do I need to put into the lilo.conf on hdb to be able to boot with the kernel and root on hda? |
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| 19:47.39 | dutchfish | tralala, ha (bad word) found out that in curent stock lenny kernel i cant suspend usb at all! you can verify that with powertop yourself |
| 19:48.12 | tralala | dutchfish, now that you say usb I recall a problem with my usb wifi card too. When I unplug it, the kernel says it waits for the device to be unregistered although nothing uses |
| 19:48.16 | cbeok | can I have more than one 'boot=' line in my conf? |
| 19:48.44 | mhymn_ | dutchfish: jfyi, iirc i've had that problem in .25 but it's now better after upgrading to .26 though it's not disappeared |
| 19:48.48 | dutchfish | tralala, run powertop, try and shiver .... wow |
| 19:48.57 | dacs | when i lsmod | grep videodev, i get videodev 30528 0 and v4l1_compat 11524 1 videodev. then i do modprobe videodev , and i am still getting the same result....? am i doing something wrong |
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| 19:49.10 | tralala | dutchfish, I'll try but right now I'm not using this laptop |
| 19:49.32 | dutchfish | tralala, np, at least i have a direction to investigate in |
| 19:49.54 | dutchfish | tralala, aperently X does not like this at all |
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| 19:50.55 | tralala | dutchfish, neither do I! |
| 19:50.58 | dutchfish | mhymn_, this is issue is NOT there in 2.6.25.8 at least not in the vanilla |
| 19:51.33 | dutchfish | mhymn_, i used that one alot |
| 19:51.54 | tralala | I don't appreciate when new software breaks things that work. It's supposed to be better not worse! |
| 19:52.05 | dutchfish | tralala, bingo |
| 19:52.14 | mhymn_ | dutchfish: hmm, mine was from bpo |
| 19:52.37 | dutchfish | mhymn_, didnt try bpo ... so i cant tell |
| 19:53.38 | dutchfish | tralala, mhymn_ but i know for sure curent lenny stock kernel has this issue usb supend not working at all |
| 19:53.49 | dutchfish | s/supend/suspend |
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| 19:55.04 | dutchfish | tralala, funny is also that it eats alot of cycles when suspend is invoked |
| 19:56.04 | orgthingy | http://www.bluecirclet.com/archives/132-A-traitor-in-the-Linux-Foundation.html |
| 19:56.13 | abrotman | orgthingy: stop pasting crap in here .. go away |
| 19:56.20 | orgthingy | woot |
| 19:56.23 | orgthingy | this aint crap |
| 19:56.28 | abrotman | stop pasting! |
| 19:56.32 | orgthingy | im just stating the facts |
| 19:56.44 | orgthingy | abrotman : whats wrong with you? |
| 19:56.50 | abrotman | !tell orgthingy about ot |
| 19:57.07 | orgthingy | jesus christ |
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| 19:57.14 | nullboy | lol |
| 19:57.21 | nullboy | that was classic |
| 19:58.12 | nascentmind | hi. how can i make cpufreq work on my machine? |
| 19:58.58 | dutchfish | nascentmind, something like install cpufreq-utils and look in /etc/default and the manpages of the tools it installs |
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| 19:59.33 | dutchfish | nascentmind, that is if your cpu support it |
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| 20:00.17 | nascentmind | dutchfish, I installed cpufreqd and it said could not find interfaces |
| 20:00.30 | nascentmind | dutchfish, i am using amd turion 64bit proc |
| 20:01.12 | nascentmind | dutchfish, a driver is available on amd site.. but I am not sure how to install it. |
| 20:01.26 | dutchfish | nascentmind, did you install cpufreq-utils and run cpufreq-info ? |
| 20:02.27 | jelly | nascentmind: is the kernel module powernow_k8 available and loaded? |
| 20:03.11 | nascentmind | dutchfish, yes it says no known driver found when i use cpufreq-info |
| 20:03.45 | dutchfish | nascentmind, folow jelly |
| 20:04.06 | nascentmind | jelly, when i do lsmod it doesn't show that module |
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| 20:04.39 | jelly | nascentmind: do a modprobe powernow-k8 then, see what appears in dmesg output |
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| 20:05.43 | jelly | nascentmind: this is on a desktop cpu: http://paste.debian.net/22949/ |
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| 20:06.33 | nascentmind | jelly, i don't have modprobe |
| 20:06.37 | nascentmind | strange |
| 20:06.43 | jelly | nascentmind: as root? |
| 20:06.47 | zir0faive | are u root ? |
| 20:06.50 | dutchfish | ? |
| 20:06.50 | nascentmind | oh sorry |
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| 20:07.06 | zir0faive | helps being root y'know :D |
| 20:07.28 | Error4o4 | want to test debian as a web+mail server inside a virtual machine, can i go with the 180MB install, dont want to download bunch of cds :) |
| 20:07.35 | nascentmind | k got it.. loaded |
| 20:07.50 | dutchfish | Error4o4, use netinstall, and yes |
| 20:08.11 | tralala | dutchfish, I haven't noticed that |
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| 20:08.14 | nascentmind | i started cpufreqd now.. started without errors |
| 20:08.36 | tralala | but then again I'm not around when it suspends |
| 20:08.45 | Error4o4 | dutchfish: ok |
| 20:08.51 | dutchfish | tralala, i found ount further that i can suspend usb when kvm-intel isnt loaded |
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| 20:08.58 | dutchfish | s/ount/out |
| 20:08.58 | nascentmind | dutchfish, how do i load powernow_k8 during startup? |
| 20:09.16 | enouf | add it to /etc/modules |
| 20:09.31 | jelly | nascentmind: add a line "powernow-k8" to /etc/modules |
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| 20:09.48 | dutchfish | tralala, but still high load on cpu |
| 20:09.56 | nascentmind | jelly, done. |
| 20:10.03 | tralala | dutchfish, hmm, virtualization could add to your problems but that's at least expected |
| 20:10.14 | jelly | nascentmind: I suggest you also add cpufreq-ondemand there, so it'll be available immediately |
| 20:10.31 | nascentmind | jelly, is it a module? |
| 20:10.34 | jelly | itis |
| 20:10.44 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.57 | nascentmind | jelly, what does it do? |
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| 20:11.08 | dutchfish | tralala, ok, i gone install from scratch on a testmachine with kernel with debuging later (tomorrow), i am not so sure anymore |
| 20:11.25 | dutchfish | tralala, but usb certainly has to do with it |
| 20:11.39 | jelly | nascentmind: it provides a cpufreq "governor"; a way for the kernel to manage the frequency ... on demand |
| 20:11.46 | tralala | dutchfish, my experience seems to confirm this |
| 20:12.04 | dutchfish | tralala, you mean it does or it dont? |
| 20:12.07 | nascentmind | jelly, do i need to restart my machine for this to take effect? |
| 20:12.18 | neongrau | i'm desperately trying to install ffmpeg-php from surce but it fails complaining "error: gd/libgd/gd.h: No such file or directory" any ideas anyone? |
| 20:12.27 | jelly | nascentmind: no, starting cpufreqd has probably loaded it as well |
| 20:12.28 | tralala | dutchfish, it does - the strange behaviour I have with my usb wifi card |
| 20:12.34 | dutchfish | tralala, can you suspend usb in powertop? |
| 20:12.43 | jelly | nascentmind: you can confirm it with lsmod |
| 20:13.00 | nascentmind | jelly, I still feel like my fan is as a chopper rotor.. |
| 20:13.00 | dutchfish | tralala, that is if the device has no mounts of coarse |
| 20:13.09 | tralala | dutchfish, ah and also uhci-hcd isn't loaded (discovered) on boot |
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| 20:13.14 | jelly | nascentmind: or with cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 20:13.19 | dutchfish | tralala, wtf? |
| 20:13.33 | dutchfish | tralala, you mean returning from suspend? |
| 20:13.44 | tralala | no I mean on boot |
| 20:13.53 | dutchfish | tralala, sigh |
| 20:14.04 | tralala | for some reason my usb controller isn't auto detected |
| 20:14.12 | dutchfish | tralala, aha |
| 20:14.16 | nascentmind | jelly, it says ondemand performance |
| 20:14.25 | tralala | modprobing manually works fine |
| 20:14.33 | dutchfish | tralala, mmm... |
| 20:14.46 | dutchfish | tralala, udev messing up again maybe? |
| 20:14.54 | jelly | nascentmind: so it's available now. you can configure cpufreqd to your liking I guess |
| 20:15.11 | tralala | dutchfish, who knows. All I know is lots of things are *not* ok |
| 20:15.20 | dutchfish | tralala, but the logs should reveal this, isnt it? |
| 20:15.35 | jelly | nascentmind: there are also lots of nifty files under that /sys directory that can be used to control cpufreq directly |
| 20:15.37 | dutchfish | tralala, not alot, just usb things |
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| 20:15.57 | dutchfish | tralala, could be kernel issues too, cant tell at the moment yet |
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| 20:16.19 | enouf | tralala: iirc, those {u,o,e}hci_hcd are loaded from initrd |
| 20:16.22 | tralala | dutchfish, not only - hotswap, lirc... long list |
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| 20:16.45 | tralala | enouf, what? |
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| 20:16.54 | dutchfish | tralala, those yes, but for me autmount works ok |
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| 20:17.09 | enouf | <tralala> dutchfish, ah and also uhci-hcd isn't loaded (discovered) on boot |
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| 20:17.45 | dutchfish | enouf, mm... any hints how to debug this? |
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| 20:18.02 | tralala | enouf, I don't mean "what" as "what", I mean "what" as "what on earth would usb do in initrd" |
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| 20:18.13 | nascentmind | jelly, isn't sys directory read only like proc? |
| 20:18.19 | enouf | dutchfish: well .. i'm not sure who's having which issue - just saw that aspect of it, and tried to answer |
| 20:18.39 | enouf | tralala: booting? |
| 20:18.40 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, you nailed one of my other issues with usb |
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| 20:19.22 | tralala | enouf, even if it's there I see no reason for it not to load either from the initrd or later from the disk |
| 20:19.24 | dutchfish | enouf, i had 1x even a wait of 10 min on kernel boot on this |
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| 20:19.40 | tralala | hey, me too |
| 20:19.49 | tralala | I actually didn't wait 10 min, just rebooted |
| 20:19.53 | enouf | dutchfish: using a rootdelay= boot option? |
| 20:19.57 | tralala | it got stuck on boot |
| 20:20.07 | dutchfish | enouf, nope |
| 20:20.19 | enouf | dutchfish: which kernel? and what device? |
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| 20:20.30 | dutchfish | enouf, latest lenny stock kernel |
| 20:21.07 | dutchfish | enouf, 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 18:25:23 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:21.45 | gewt | :O! |
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| 20:21.50 | gewt | lenny! |
| 20:21.53 | dutchfish | enouf, Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 |
| 20:22.21 | dutchfish | enouf, that is Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
| 20:23.06 | dutchfish | enouf, and also Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
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| 20:23.17 | enouf | tralala: for ex; from my .26-1-686 initrd -> ./scripts/init-premount/ps3: modprobe ohci-hcd |
| 20:23.29 | enouf | tralala: and ./scripts/init-premount/ps3: modprobe ehci-hcd |
| 20:24.13 | enouf | dutchfish: ok, that's an externally connected root hub? |
| 20:24.17 | dutchfish | enouf, my modules load fine, thats not a problem, and no errors in the logs even when it hangs |
| 20:24.27 | dutchfish | enouf, 1st yes, 2nd no |
| 20:24.39 | enouf | dutchfish: ahh |
| 20:25.04 | dutchfish | enouf, i paste you the complete in pastebin hold on |
| 20:25.05 | enouf | dutchfish: wait - so what's the 2nd thing? |
| 20:25.09 | enouf | ok |
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| 20:26.02 | tralala | enouf, it's the question you wanted to ask but didn't dare ;) |
| 20:26.12 | enouf | heh |
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| 20:26.33 | dutchfish | enouf, http://pastebin.com/m1c651355 |
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| 20:27.14 | rotw | hi |
| 20:28.06 | enouf | dutchfish: ok .. so, the issue is? you have an external USB 7 port hub connected to your Dell? or is that a "Docking Station"? .. and then you have all these other peripherals attached to that hub? |
| 20:28.27 | tralala | the issue is usb doesn't suspend |
| 20:28.38 | tralala | and messes up with X screen blank |
| 20:28.44 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, except the first 3 devices in the list, they are the computers usb ports |
| 20:29.00 | dutchfish | enouf, and on those it chokes |
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| 20:29.13 | dutchfish | enouf, mostly on the 1st |
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| 20:29.30 | enouf | dutchfish: ahh - so the external hub + it's attached peripherals == no issue? |
| 20:29.34 | dutchfish | enouf, sometimes on the LG |
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| 20:29.58 | dutchfish | enouf, no problems on the external connection, confirmed |
| 20:30.10 | enouf | dutchfish: and what 'chokes'? Booting a drive attached to the computer's direct USB port? |
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| 20:30.30 | dutchfish | enouf, kernel boot, or supending usb (powersave states) |
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| 20:30.52 | dutchfish | enouf, you want lspci? |
| 20:31.32 | enouf | dutchfish: hrm .. still trying to ascertain here - so ... just booting the kernel normally seems to hang? as well as any usb suspend state usages? |
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| 20:31.52 | keta | ehy, no more gamp fans here? seems dpkg forgot all his gamp bits |
| 20:32.04 | dutchfish | enouf, yes |
| 20:32.15 | enouf | dutchfish: does the kernel hang on boot when nothing is connected to any of those 3 USB computer ports? |
| 20:32.25 | dutchfish | enouf, and sometimes X freezes (returning from suspend 1st stage) |
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| 20:32.43 | dutchfish | enouf, yup |
| 20:32.59 | dutchfish | enouf, randomly that is |
| 20:33.08 | dutchfish | enouf, but not 2.6.25.8 |
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| 20:34.09 | enouf | dutchfish: the 1st thing that comes to mind is; one module is loading prior to another, .. when it should be reversed (such as perhaps usbcore loading after ehci-hcd - they are dependencies) |
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| 20:35.12 | dutchfish | enouf, could be, but i doubt that |
| 20:35.16 | dutchfish | enouf, http://debianforum.pastebin.com/mb3a1c6a |
| 20:36.28 | dutchfish | enouf, totally zilch in dmesg also |
| 20:36.41 | enouf | dutchfish: well suspend/hibernation/sleep and any/all ACPI states is kind of like black art issue :-P |
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| 20:36.51 | dutchfish | enouf, yup |
| 20:36.52 | enouf | dutchfish: so let us 1st tackle the boot hanging |
| 20:37.01 | dutchfish | enouf, oki |
| 20:37.31 | dutchfish | enouf, i will try tommorrow with kernel and debugging extensions |
| 20:37.39 | enouf | dutchfish: also note, compare output of grep USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-VERSION between kernel configs (.25.8 and .26) |
| 20:37.52 | dutchfish | enouf, good tip, ty |
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| 20:37.56 | enouf | dutchfish: using an initrd? |
| 20:38.03 | Tanya | halo |
| 20:38.07 | enouf | dutchfish: stock Debian kernel , yes? |
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| 20:38.12 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, i always use with initrd |
| 20:38.23 | dutchfish | enouf, this is on stock kernel, yes |
| 20:38.27 | Tanya | I'm new here, where can I get some good trivia? |
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| 20:39.19 | enouf | dutchfish: you can cp your initrd somehwere, then cd /dir ; zcat initrd.img-VERSION | cpio -i .. then examine it's contents, or even grep for things like i just showed above with the modprobe ohci_hcd and other |
| 20:39.25 | dutchfish | enouf, i have other minors but not related to this |
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| 20:39.44 | enouf | dutchfish: i would try playing with the rootdelay= boot option a bit as well |
| 20:39.47 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i will do |
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| 20:39.57 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 20:40.15 | enouf | dutchfish: that's about all i got for now ... can't think of anything else offhand |
| 20:40.32 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i get my teeth into first thing tommorrow |
| 20:41.10 | enouf | :-) |
| 20:41.11 | dutchfish | enouf, i also will try out from wich kernel version it starts exactly |
| 20:41.21 | enouf | attaboy |
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| 20:41.37 | enouf | dutchfish: run a diff on the configs as well |
| 20:41.54 | Tanya | that's awesome, like totally in and about |
| 20:42.00 | dutchfish | enouf, i did already, but i will save them all so i have them at hand |
| 20:42.03 | rotw | hey, onetinsoldier! :) |
| 20:42.12 | Tanya | and where you from? |
| 20:42.15 | onetinsoldier | hi! |
| 20:42.16 | enouf | dutchfish: check the kernel changelogs (packages.debian.org) .. oh and also note if you're comparing diff ARCHs (amd64 vs i386) |
| 20:42.29 | dutchfish | enouf, no solely amd64 |
| 20:42.37 | Tanya | first unrar it, ffs |
| 20:42.40 | enouf | er http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-11/changelog for example |
| 20:42.58 | dutchfish | enouf, but i could try some i386 as well if thats meaningfull? |
| 20:43.09 | Tanya | haloooooo, trivia needed??? |
| 20:43.11 | onetinsoldier | rotw, you ever get that kernel compiled? i was told that nowasaysyou don't use the 'linux symlink'.. so it's possible that could cause an issue. |
| 20:43.22 | stew | Tanya: if you are looking for a social channel, try #defocus or #debian-offtopic. pleaes keep this channel related to debian support |
| 20:43.23 | enouf | dutchfish: okie doke - seen #debian-amd64 about it? (another possible option - a dev channel, so be patient, or ..) |
| 20:43.32 | enouf | dutchfish: sure - i'd say so |
| 20:43.35 | rotw | onetinsoldier: didnt't have any real time, had a school project to do... |
| 20:43.36 | onetinsoldier | s/nowasaysyou/nowadays you |
| 20:43.43 | dutchfish | enouf, i have all kernel at hand in debina package starting from 2.6.25.4 and up |
| 20:43.46 | onetinsoldier | rotw, roger |
| 20:43.49 | dutchfish | s/debina/debian |
| 20:43.51 | stew | Tanya: or perhaps try #trivia or /msg alis help list |
| 20:44.06 | enouf | dutchfish: a pack rat eh? ;-) |
| 20:44.15 | dutchfish | enouf, no, just curieus |
| 20:44.25 | enouf | dutchfish: it's very useful for quick testing / comparing indeed |
| 20:44.34 | Tanya | stew: I'm not into that perv stuff, can you suggest something different? |
| 20:44.48 | stew | Tanya: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:44.49 | enouf | you mean Bunnies and Badgers ? |
| 20:45.03 | enouf | /closes comments |
| 20:45.05 | dutchfish | enouf, i am more like: trying to make a fast low latency desktop with safest options |
| 20:45.15 | Tanya | stew: Of course I do. I wouldn't be here if I didn't. |
| 20:45.37 | stew | Tanya: please ask you question then, and keep the off-topic chatter in some other more appropriate channel |
| 20:45.40 | dutchfish | enouf, thank you very much for all the hints, Sir |
| 20:45.42 | Tanya | How can I mount .dll into my win system??? |
| 20:45.46 | enouf | dutchfish: well .. you might need to do a custom kernel for that - or do you mean within the realm of (prebuilt and packaged) debian kernels |
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| 20:46.02 | enouf | dutchfish: np - anytime |
| 20:46.05 | dutchfish | enouf, i meant custom kernels |
| 20:46.10 | enouf | ok |
| 20:46.21 | stew | Tanya: if you are just here to troll, please just save us both the trouble |
| 20:46.24 | dutchfish | enouf, but with debian patches by hand |
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| 20:47.10 | enouf | dutchfish: ahh .. i see - so ..did you build your .26 from debian sources? patched it? or .. installed debian's linux-image-2.6.26-amd64-xxxx ? |
| 20:47.23 | dutchfish | enouf, and stuff like kvm, latecytop enabled, sometimes special kernel for stealth bridge firewalling |
| 20:47.31 | eps | im trying to install debian etch on a poweredge 2650 but its not finding a disk driver |
| 20:47.39 | enouf | righto .. now i recall dutchfish |
| 20:47.40 | dutchfish | enouf, cross patched sometimes yes |
| 20:47.42 | eps | i think im supposed to use the aacraid driver but its not working |
| 20:47.59 | eps | any ideas? |
| 20:48.10 | eps | its a perc 3/di |
| 20:48.28 | dutchfish | enouf, anyway, thx again, i report my findings as soon as i figured thi sone out |
| 20:48.59 | rotw | onetinsoldier: right, i deleted "linux" |
| 20:49.04 | rotw | haha, great quote that :) |
| 20:49.10 | enouf | dutchfish: well - when testing this usb suspend issue - please be very clear which exact kernel you mean - name your debian built ones so people will know it's not from a p.d.o / mirror installation, and let us know which is which when discussing issues ;-) |
| 20:49.20 | onetinsoldier | rotw, good |
| 20:49.26 | rotw | onetinsoldier: i should do make mrproper, right? |
| 20:49.43 | dutchfish | enouf, i know, but thanks for the hint, yes, i will be very clear, but it might be a long doc so |
| 20:49.55 | enouf | dutchfish: because - as you are aware - one small .config change .. add to that some separate patch .. and all hell cna break loose :-) |
| 20:50.04 | enouf | dutchfish: cool |
| 20:50.05 | onetinsoldier | rotw, do you think you need to start over? you do have a backup of the .config file, right? |
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| 20:50.26 | dutchfish | enouf, yep, the kernel is like a woman, it can endure great things but it is easely broken |
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| 20:50.57 | onetinsoldier | rotw, yes.. before stating to compile again, make sure you have a backup of your .config file and then do the make mrproper |
| 20:50.57 | rotw | onetinsoldier: hm, actually, no compile errors came... just that permissions thing, mind you, i don't know if that was the end of the script. Yes, i still have the config, as well as a backup |
| 20:51.12 | stew | dutchfish: please don't |
| 20:51.19 | dutchfish | stew, :) |
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| 20:51.23 | stew | no |
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| 20:51.43 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i read you. i do not know what was up with the permission error. it's possible that the symlink thing was to blame, don't know |
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| 20:52.08 | dutchfish | stew, ok, i admit that was not so good compare, but forgive me on this bad joke ~.~ |
| 20:52.36 | enouf | eps: try a etchnhalf .24 kernel? |
| 20:52.45 | dutchfish | stew, they both need to be handled with care |
| 20:52.48 | stew | dutchfish: misogyny has no place here |
| 20:52.58 | enouf | eps: if not, continue onto the .26 etch-backports kernel |
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| 20:53.14 | onetinsoldier | rotw, to be more secure.. there is a couple of steps you should take if you'd like too |
| 20:53.25 | dutchfish | stew, ok |
| 20:53.29 | enouf | stew: that comment wasn't misogyny, but nm .... |
| 20:53.45 | mhymn_ | enouf: iirc etchnhalf has .26 too now |
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| 20:53.57 | enouf | mhymn_: really? cool |
| 20:54.09 | enouf | r5? |
| 20:54.25 | mhymn_ | not sure, lemme find the link |
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| 20:54.41 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok? |
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| 20:54.54 | linuzdude | RichiH: My other nick is linuzdude... |
| 20:55.19 | sharp15_ | how do i make a module installed by aptitude (specifically vboxdrv) load by default? |
| 20:55.21 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, it's about compiling the kernel as a regular user. first you need to install 'fakeroot' |
| 20:55.36 | eps | enouf: im downloading the iso right now |
| 20:55.43 | enouf | eps: nice |
| 20:55.53 | eps | any reason why etchnhalf would work and not etch? |
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| 20:57.19 | rotw | onetinsoldier: i did it as root, did that matter? |
| 20:57.35 | onetinsoldier | rotw, then you add the regular use to the 'src' group... adduser <user_name> src |
| 20:58.01 | onetinsoldier | rotw, you mean you started the compiling already? |
| 20:58.17 | enouf | eps: i can only surmise updated (or better integrated) drivers for your controller |
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| 20:58.30 | eps | hmm alright, well its almost done |
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| 20:59.20 | enouf | eps: IIRC, there was some movement/changes around various megaraid/adaptec controller drivers, maybe even aacraid - i forget offhand - try wiki.debian.org |
| 20:59.21 | rotw | onetinsoldier: no, that was "last time" |
| 20:59.27 | enouf | even the ServerHardware section eps |
| 20:59.37 | onetinsoldier | rotw, no.. that doesn't matter |
| 20:59.38 | sharp15_ | am i looking for /etc/modules? |
| 20:59.53 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok, added myself to "src" |
| 21:00.06 | enouf | eps: i realize the perc3 are older, and now dell is up to perc5? or more? |
| 21:00.20 | eps | 6 lol |
| 21:00.26 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok. now you can do all this as a regular user |
| 21:00.26 | eps | but yeah this is an old controller |
| 21:00.28 | enouf | eps: and .. i thought the perc ones were basically lsi logic based |
| 21:00.36 | eps | not sure |
| 21:01.12 | onetinsoldier | rotw, so now, assuming you have done the 'make mrproper', you are ready to run the following command... |
| 21:01.22 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" |
| 21:01.40 | enouf | eps: well, maybe way back ~ perc3 time, one needed to obtain a tar.gz from manufacturer and compile in the driver? and now it's integrated? dunno - just a guess, as to how many things end up 'in the kernel' |
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| 21:01.58 | d0uglas | hi. i'm running postfix and dovecot and i'd like authentication on smtp, don't really care much about messing with dovecot. Do do this do i need cyrus or can i tweak postfix or maybe switch to exim4-daemon-heavy? |
| 21:02.02 | dutchfish | enouf, perc3 is integrated |
| 21:02.09 | onetinsoldier | rotw, then copy your .config into the linux-kernel dir |
| 21:02.17 | enouf | dutchfish: since when? do you recall? |
| 21:02.29 | dutchfish | enouf, dunno wich kernel exactly |
| 21:02.36 | dutchfish | enouf, not to long ago |
| 21:02.37 | enouf | dutchfish: i know i've seen it in recent kernel version's code |
| 21:02.43 | enouf | ok then |
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| 21:02.55 | enouf | that was my point about .18 vs .24 through .26 |
| 21:02.58 | dutchfish | enouf, at the top of my head > 2.6.24.x or so |
| 21:03.04 | enouf | heh |
| 21:03.16 | keta | onetinsoldier: make-kpkg handles make mrproper, why should you do it by hand? |
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| 21:03.46 | enouf | IIRC, make-kpkg clean is basically a make dist-clean |
| 21:04.12 | onetinsoldier | rotw, does it do a make mrproper? geez, i never really paid enough attention to notice! nice that it does that... |
| 21:04.24 | mhymn_ | enouf: found it, http://www.debian.org/News/project/2008/16/index.en.html |
| 21:04.36 | dutchfish | enouf, and: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/perc.html |
| 21:04.41 | onetinsoldier | keta, sorry i should have directed that last post at you |
| 21:04.48 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok, done :) |
| 21:05.14 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, now you aready to compile... here it is, make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image |
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| 21:05.42 | onetinsoldier | rotw, good luck to ya! :-) |
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| 21:06.16 | alexander_ | How I can mount ntfs partitions in debian lenny with KDE3 ? I installed ntfs-3g package, but when I trying to mount partition in Konqueror(using media:///) it says, that permission denied. |
| 21:06.38 | adub | has anyone setup zoneminder before?? |
| 21:06.55 | keta | onetinsoldier: yep it does |
| 21:07.11 | onetinsoldier | keta, roger, thanks for the heads up. :) |
| 21:07.26 | limpio | hi, i'm trying to compile the kernel, when i do #make menuconfig i get this message: Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the |
| 21:07.26 | limpio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.26 | limpio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.26 | limpio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.26 | limpio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.57 | rotw | verderben:/usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7# make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image |
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| 21:08.00 | rotw | Option append-to-version requires an argument |
| 21:08.02 | rotw | @ onetinsoldier |
| 21:08.04 | rotw | use --help to display command line syntax help. |
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| 21:08.28 | onetinsoldier | rotw, hmmm, hang on |
| 21:08.38 | onetinsoldier | !kp mantra |
| 21:08.38 | dpkg | methinks kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 21:09.22 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok, i'll just copy the second half |
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| 21:09.59 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i'm not sure what's wrong.. yeah, try to correct whatever's wrong. i'm still looking my command over to see if i can spot what's wrong |
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| 21:11.39 | limpio | hi, what package for ncurses do i need to install in order to be able to do 'make menuconfig' |
| 21:12.05 | zibri | limpio: libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev i think... |
| 21:12.20 | limpio | zibri, thank you |
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| 21:13.31 | keta | limpio: aptitude install ncurses-dev build-essential, so you'll have all the needed stuff in a row |
| 21:13.34 | onetinsoldier | everyone seems to be compiling a kernel.. hehe |
| 21:14.32 | keta | that, in 2008, is a dumb thing at least you don't have a pentium pro. just my two bits. |
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| 21:14.37 | limpio | keta, thank you |
| 21:15.05 | rotw | onetinsoldier: the export command also seems to have some mistakes.. should i just write "-i386" instead of "-qDEB_HOST_ARCH"? |
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| 21:15.35 | rotw | or wait |
| 21:15.59 | dacs | abrotman: still on the phone man |
| 21:16.15 | rotw | hm |
| 21:16.41 | onetinsoldier | rotw, that should work i would think.. try it. a lot of time i find out what works and how through trial and error. if the command that the dpkg bot has, has some mistakes, then we need to try to get it fiexed and entered correctly into the dpkg bot |
| 21:16.58 | onetinsoldier | fixed* |
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| 21:17.11 | syslq | In linux permissions, first one is the owner and third one are others (equivalent to everyone in winodws) but what the hell is the second one (group).Is this the group that owner belongs to or is this the group that file belongs to. What is the default group for created files than? Thanks |
| 21:17.42 | syslq | I know it seems like dumb question, but I'm used to acl's and gui for doing it |
| 21:18.15 | Azhrarn | every user has a primary group that files are created as |
| 21:18.28 | Azhrarn | you can change the group on a file to any group that you are a member of (see addgroup) |
| 21:18.51 | Azhrarn | you can type 'groups' on the command line to see what groups you are in |
| 21:19.03 | stew | syslq: the group that owns the file |
| 21:19.17 | syslq | stew: is there a default? |
| 21:19.20 | keta | rotw: do you have dpkg-architecture? |
| 21:19.22 | onetinsoldier | rotw, you might be doing something wrong, i'm not sure. the 'export' stuff works for me here.. i did 'just' the export portion on a command line.. and then i did the following two commands.... |
| 21:19.47 | rotw | keta: yes |
| 21:19.54 | onetinsoldier | rotw, echo "$NAMEEXT" (it worked fine) echo "$VER" |
| 21:19.54 | rotw | onetinsoldier: space missing |
| 21:20.05 | darkwizzard | hello all.I compilled kde4 from source, maybe someone here can help me. |
| 21:20.07 | rotw | mea culpa |
| 21:20.11 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, roger that |
| 21:20.13 | rotw | i should make the irssi window bigger |
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| 21:20.16 | stew | syslq: when a file is created the file gets the ownership of the parent directory if the directory is g+s, otherwise it gets the effective gid of the process that created it. users have a default group which they start with, but it can be changed by, for instance, running 'newgrp' |
| 21:20.24 | Illusion | hello folks |
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| 21:20.52 | darkwizzard | my problem is that kioslaves can't access the net.Konqueror can't browse the web, amarok can't retrieve lyrics etc.Net works in kopete kde4 and in kde3 or other apps |
| 21:21.01 | darkwizzard | any idea how to fix this ? |
| 21:21.07 | syslq | stew: it seems strange to me that user that owns the file and group that owns the file can have seperate permissions. Thanks for explanation |
| 21:21.11 | lfaraone | How do I tell where my serial ports map to in /dev/? |
| 21:21.28 | Illusion | i have a question about .htaccess. option Options -Indexes is set. How can i access a subpage/folder which overides the Options -Indexes? |
| 21:21.49 | lfaraone | (I have a cisco router I am trying to connect, and don't know where the tty should show up) |
| 21:23.56 | onetinsoldier | rotw, did you use both the kernel_image and modules_image targets? |
| 21:24.06 | abrotman | dacs: more than i'd like to be |
| 21:24.25 | rotw | onetinsoldier: i think i used your command |
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| 21:26.09 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, roger. the kernel_image target is all you 'need'. and the modules_image target has been bombing out on me every time. if you use both, you wil still get a kernel_image .deb though. just an fyi |
| 21:26.16 | rotw | ok |
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| 21:28.04 | X1938 | any suggestions for lowering the effect of a ddos attack on a vps running debian 4.0 ? |
| 21:28.52 | X1938 | i don't own one yet, just trying to plan for things before they happen |
| 21:29.10 | dacs | abrotman: are you talking dirty....bad boy |
| 21:29.18 | X1938 | vhosts are going to be exposed on irc networks ... :( |
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| 21:30.20 | Illusion | Question about .htaccess. option Options -Indexes is set. How can i access a subpage/folder which overides the Options -Indexes? |
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| 21:30.26 | jelly | X1938: block traffic at the router in front of it (or in front of your network) |
| 21:30.38 | sharp15_ | how do i know what virtualbox-ose-modules package virtualbox is looking for? it's complaining about a module version mismatch. |
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| 21:31.54 | X1938 | jelly , so your saying nothing can be done to LESSEN the effect of ddos attaks ? :( |
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| 21:32.17 | stew | X1938: it depends completely on the nature of the attack |
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| 21:33.20 | X1938 | im not going to allow port 80 nor any root port , just ports for bncs and irc bots |
| 21:33.27 | stew | X1938: for instance, if the attack is "they keep hitting this webpage, which is a very expensive page for me to serve", making the page unavailable would thwart the attack. if the attack is "they are sending 1 million syns a second" then you have to fix it upstream |
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| 21:34.44 | X1938 | stew : can scan for the ports the bots and bncs are using anyways , right ? |
| 21:35.36 | X1938 | they can* |
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| 21:36.24 | adub | has anyone setup zoneminder before?? |
| 21:37.21 | abrotman | dacs: no, i'm at work |
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| 21:37.41 | tuxx | hey guys.. im using debian and im trying to find an apt-get source to install mod_snmp... it failed to compile manually.. and i would really prefer to install via apt-get |
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| 21:39.17 | stew | X1938: i don't know what you are talking about |
| 21:39.41 | Illusion | Is somebody able to answer my question? |
| 21:39.55 | X1938 | tuxx : /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:39.56 | X1938 | hope that's what you cant find... |
| 21:40.17 | X1938 | stew , the vps is going to only be used to connect to irc via irc bouncers and bots |
| 21:40.23 | lfaraone | Hi, how do I send a "break" key via minicom? it seems to be interecepted |
| 21:40.26 | tuxx | X1938: im looking for the source not the file where to enter it |
| 21:40.38 | X1938 | only going * |
| 21:40.40 | stew | Illusion: perhaps you didn't ask a good question, wouldn't the answer just be "you'd put the url refering to the subpage/foldr into a browser"? |
| 21:41.10 | Illusion | stew: Lemme say it different |
| 21:41.26 | Illusion | ./var/www/folder is protected and it's subpages |
| 21:41.45 | Illusion | How can i open 1 folder in it for acces/make it browsable |
| 21:42.07 | Illusion | protected with Options -Indexes |
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| 21:44.00 | sharp15 | i was asking questions a bit a go about virtualbox. now it can't find the modules at all. i've used aptitude and synaptic to uninstall & reinstall them with no luck. i'm using lenny. |
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| 21:44.11 | sharp15 | any ideas? |
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| 21:44.44 | Internat | out of interest, does linux/debian store last access times on files? |
| 21:45.13 | Eulex | Internat, by default, yes |
| 21:45.24 | Eulex | if you don't mount a partition with noatime |
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| 21:45.43 | Internat | how do you pull that information up? |
| 21:46.04 | Eulex | you search for atime in man ls |
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| 21:46.36 | Sebboh | Hi. Quick question. I have a scratched cdrom. One sector is unreadable. How can I find out what *file* that sector is a part of? |
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| 21:47.25 | lbt | I am so sick of "perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: " does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 21:47.50 | Eulex | lbt, you make sure that your selected locale is correctly generated. |
| 21:48.02 | Illusion | stew: understand the Q better now? |
| 21:48.11 | lbt | yep - I have googled for hours on this |
| 21:48.15 | lbt | the fix is eas |
| 21:48.17 | lbt | y |
| 21:48.21 | lbt | set LC_ALL |
| 21:48.24 | Internat | interesting.. |
| 21:48.27 | lbt | but that's a bandaid |
| 21:48.28 | Eulex | lbt, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:48.31 | Sebboh | Me, too, Ibt. Eulex, my locale is 'C'. =P |
| 21:48.38 | lbt | yep, done that |
| 21:48.47 | limpio | hi, after configuring the kernel and entering: #make-kpkg clean, i get this error: bash: make-kpkg: command not found |
| 21:48.51 | Eulex | and it regenerated your locale? |
| 21:49.21 | Internat | anywho the short version of what i want to achive... im gonna setup an ecnrypted parition with probably cryptodm-loop or something simular, but i want it to automagically umount if its not used within an hr or something... |
| 21:49.23 | Eulex | and the env vars related to your LOCALE are set to one of the ones you selected to be generated? |
| 21:49.25 | lbt | yes |
| 21:49.39 | stew | Illusion: add a <Directory /var/www/folder/subfolder> entry in the config which overrides the protection in /var/www/folder |
| 21:49.52 | Eulex | lbt, did dpkg-reconfigure locales regenerate the locale in question? |
| 21:49.55 | Internat | know of anything that would do that already? im happy to put something together but i thought id ask |
| 21:50.01 | lbt | yes |
| 21:50.15 | Illusion | stew: by using two .htaccess files? |
| 21:50.31 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d250c167b |
| 21:51.01 | stew | Illusion: are you allowed to change the apache configuration? |
| 21:51.07 | Illusion | yes |
| 21:51.18 | lbt | I also logged out and back |
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| 21:51.31 | stew | Illusion: then do the configuration there instead of .htaccess. you should use .htaccess for situations where you are not allowed to edit the apache configuration directly |
| 21:51.48 | Illusion | hmmz |
| 21:52.22 | stew | Illusion: but yes, .htaccess would work, if the apache configuration had specifically been configured to allow this (with AllowOverride). but this is not the recommneded way to do it |
| 21:53.28 | Illusion | unsafe? |
| 21:53.30 | Eulex | lbt, what if you unset LC_TIME? |
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| 21:54.20 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d7925a7ea |
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| 21:55.17 | lbt | but when I log back it is the same |
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| 21:56.23 | lbt | I've had this problem on various Debian and Ubuntu machines over the years - I've often patched it up but every fresh install seems to see it pop up again |
| 21:56.47 | lbt | I'm setting up an old laptop as a firewall and this is a minimal etch install |
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| 21:57.22 | lbt | the install of locale or something seems not to set the LC_ variables correctly |
| 21:57.41 | Illusion | stew: i |
| 21:57.52 | Illusion | stew: ive tried what you said: |
| 21:57.54 | Illusion | Server error! |
| 21:57.58 | Illusion | Error 500 |
| 21:58.21 | stew | Illusion: what exactly did you change, and where? |
| 21:58.37 | Eulex | lbt, hmm, sorry, I'm unsure where the locale env vars are set, actually |
| 21:59.00 | stew | Illusion: also, check the apache error log, for the exact thing causing the 500 error |
| 21:59.14 | lbt | Eulex: ah well, occasionally I like to beat my head against it... |
| 21:59.26 | lbt | thanks for trying :) |
| 21:59.35 | Eulex | lbt, you could prolly work around it in /etc/profile tho |
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| 22:00.23 | lbt | yep - I usually do just that - I just wish it worked... it's been years - and it's kinda embarassing when you do an install to show someone |
| 22:00.36 | Illusion | stew: the /var/www/folder has .htacces - Options -Indexes - /var/www/folder/subfolder has <Directory dir > AllowOverride all - Order allow,deny - Allow from all - </Directory> |
| 22:00.42 | Eulex | never experienced that myself, actually |
| 22:00.44 | lbt | I'll patch it.... l8r |
| 22:00.59 | Eulex | you've got some special setup? |
| 22:01.11 | axolx | hey guys -- im SSHing into a fresh Etch install . i added my username into the SUDO list, but im concerned that if i run the sudo command right after i log in it wont as me for my password |
| 22:01.12 | axolx | why is that? |
| 22:01.19 | stew | Illusion: you wouldn't put <Directory> in an htaccess file, it would be as if everything in the .htaccess is in a <Directory> block for the directory containing the .htaccess file |
| 22:01.23 | axolx | i thought you had to put you pwd a first time and then it would cache it for a bit |
| 22:01.35 | Eulex | axolx, NOPASSWD or not? |
| 22:01.43 | Illusion | stew: appache log says --> <Directory not allowed here |
| 22:01.49 | axolx | Eulex: NOPASSWD where? |
| 22:02.02 | Eulex | axolx, on the sudoers line |
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| 22:02.56 | axolx | Eulex: nope .just ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 22:03.02 | abrotman | dacs: okay what? |
| 22:03.17 | abrotman | dacs: that was actually like four phone calls broken up by other bits |
| 22:03.24 | axolx | could it be because i just logged in so sudo is already caching my pwd? that doesnt seem too safe |
| 22:03.43 | Eulex | axolx, it should ask for your password the first time then, yes |
| 22:03.50 | dacs | abrotman: hahah |
| 22:03.58 | axolx | Eulex: thats what i thought. what could be going on? |
| 22:04.05 | Eulex | no idea |
| 22:04.12 | axolx | Eulex: does the pwd cache persists after i log out and relogin? |
| 22:04.22 | Eulex | uh, sorry, no idea |
| 22:04.22 | simonrvn | Illusion: yes exactly. you can't do that. it's poitless anyway, as stew said. (i didn't say "as stew pointed out" ;) |
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| 22:04.30 | axolx | Eulex: k thanks |
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| 22:04.51 | Illusion | simonrvn: then why is it? |
| 22:05.13 | simonrvn | axolx: for sudo? honestly i'm not sure, but regardless it would still time out anyway, eventually. |
| 22:05.20 | simonrvn | Illusion: why is it what? |
| 22:05.36 | Illusion | simonrvn: why is it pointless? |
| 22:05.42 | axolx | simonrvn: is there a way to clear that cache? |
| 22:05.48 | simonrvn | pointless* |
| 22:06.06 | simonrvn | Illusion: because it's per-dir... |
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| 22:06.12 | stew | Illusion: its not that its pointless, its just the wrong syntax. assume that everything in the .htaccess file is inside a <Directory> entry in the apache config |
| 22:06.30 | simonrvn | feels like he and stew said that already... |
| 22:06.31 | stew | Illusion: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/htaccess.html |
| 22:07.05 | simonrvn | it's actually per-dir, and everything below it |
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| 22:07.21 | Illusion | ok simonrvn and stew: thnx |
| 22:07.54 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:08.06 | simonrvn | axolx: rm the timestamp file |
| 22:08.23 | axolx | simonrvn: what timestamp file? |
| 22:08.55 | simonrvn | sudo creates a file when you auth |
| 22:09.19 | simonrvn | it's used to keep track of the time of last use. |
| 22:09.50 | \amethyst | axolx: man sudo, look for -k and -K |
| 22:10.11 | axolx | simonrvn: amethyst: thanks |
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| 22:14.11 | sharp15 | how do i tell what version of virtualbox-ose-modules to use? i'm using the one with the same name as my kernel but virtual box shows this when i launch a vm: |
| 22:14.14 | sharp15 | VBox status code: -1912 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_VERSION_MISMATCH). |
| 22:15.00 | mistermocha | dumb question that I can't recall now... how do I permanently add a path to $PATH? |
| 22:16.11 | mistermocha | wow, I hope it wasn't too dumb |
| 22:16.33 | sharp15 | mistermocha: is this just for your user or for the whole system? |
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| 22:16.39 | simonrvn | it was very dumb :P |
| 22:16.45 | simonrvn | j/k :D |
| 22:17.10 | onetinsoldier | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.23 | stew | mistermocha: /etc/profile for systemwide, or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile for per-user |
| 22:17.34 | mistermocha | thanks all :) |
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| 22:18.08 | onetinsoldier | !lart simonrvn |
| 22:18.09 | dpkg | changes simonrvn's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
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| 22:18.17 | onetinsoldier | :P |
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| 22:18.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 22:23.46 | luckz | is there any point to using 64bit debian on my server if I only have 2gb? |
| 22:23.48 | luckz | (ram) |
| 22:24.41 | onetinsoldier | if you have a 64-bit architecture.. then yes, there is. or could be anyway |
| 22:24.53 | \amethyst | luckz: it can be faster for some workloads |
| 22:25.17 | \amethyst | not as much proprietary software is available, but that's not a problem for a server |
| 22:25.22 | onetinsoldier | only 'one' of the benefits of using 64-bit is more address space for system ram |
| 22:25.35 | luckz | \amethyst: why is it not? |
| 22:25.50 | abrotman | because oyu're using linux! :) |
| 22:25.52 | stew | the problem of proprietary software is diminishing |
| 22:26.22 | \amethyst | luckz: because one doesn't often need to run proprietary software on a server. I'm thinking Sun's Java browser plugin, for example |
| 22:26.52 | \amethyst | anyway, you can always run 32-bit software in a chroot |
| 22:27.00 | luckz | \amethyst: most, say, voice communication daemons are pretty proprietary, ~all game servers, .. |
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| 22:27.08 | \amethyst | oh, those kinds of servers |
| 22:27.22 | dcnoye | is there a linux client to connect to afp ? |
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| 22:27.26 | \amethyst | luckz: then you would be best to check on what architectures are supported by the servers you need to run |
| 22:27.27 | dacs | abrotman: no support from you today at all....busy talking to chicks ova the phone! |
| 22:27.41 | abrotman | dacs: that's not funny |
| 22:27.56 | luckz | what's unfunny about chicks? |
| 22:28.23 | dacs | Luckz you tell 'em |
| 22:28.30 | stew | this is better discussed in #debian-offtopic |
| 22:28.44 | dacs | abrotman: did i offended you?! |
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| 22:29.17 | \amethyst | Who would have thought the word 'chicks' would offend people. Oh, wait... |
| 22:30.13 | \amethyst | maybe because 'chick' is offensive, and debian already gets a bad rap for having misogynist fans |
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| 22:36.03 | amphi | \amethyst: it does? |
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| 22:36.38 | stoned | dude |
| 22:36.43 | stoned | what? |
| 22:36.56 | stoned | dacs, don't joke with him, he is a grouch |
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| 22:37.13 | Sargun | I'm getting an error during apt-get update |
| 22:37.15 | Sargun | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch |
| 22:37.19 | Sargun | any ideas? |
| 22:37.53 | dacs | stoned: aight aight people am sorry |
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| 22:37.55 | dacs | :) |
| 22:38.14 | FoobarWidget | is this the right channel to ask questions about the creation of debian packages? |
| 22:38.16 | dacs | stoned: wahts up |
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| 22:39.12 | stoned | #debian-chat |
| 22:39.48 | \amethyst | amphi: Well, it's not scientific, and maybe it's that debian has more people that complain about it, but google has significantly more hits for debian misogyny than for other distributions |
| 22:39.51 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 22:39.51 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged weasels. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 22:40.03 | jelly-home | dpkg: fuck you |
| 22:40.04 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
| 22:40.12 | simonrvn | Sargun: re-update |
| 22:40.12 | stoned | damn |
| 22:40.24 | FoobarWidget | I just have a simple question about dependencies. is it possible to specify multiple version string comparators for a dependency? |
| 22:40.35 | stoned | what is a comparator? |
| 22:40.39 | amphi | \amethyst: what an odd thing to google for |
| 22:40.41 | FoobarWidget | e.g.: Depends: ruby >= 1.8.0 and <= 1.8.2 |
| 22:40.54 | FoobarWidget | so that the package depends on ruby, which must be >= 1.8.0 |
| 22:40.57 | FoobarWidget | and <= 1.8.2 |
| 22:41.01 | FoobarWidget | so 1.8.3 won't match |
| 22:41.33 | stoned | looks like a concatenation of comparison and operator |
| 22:41.37 | stoned | comparator! |
| 22:41.42 | peleg | How can I change what files were changed in the last X days? find . -mtime -1, or -ctime, -atime ... I don't know the differences |
| 22:41.49 | FoobarWidget | but is something like this possible? |
| 22:41.55 | stoned | no idea |
| 22:42.03 | FoobarWidget | also, what do "<<" and ">>" mean? |
| 22:42.17 | stoned | bash redirection |
| 22:42.26 | stoned | i think |
| 22:42.26 | FoobarWidget | no, in a version string |
| 22:42.31 | FoobarWidget | Depends: foo >> 1.8.0 |
| 22:42.35 | stoned | I have no idea |
| 22:42.41 | stoned | this is a first for me |
| 22:42.45 | FoobarWidget | then where can I find documentation about this? |
| 22:42.45 | stoned | what exactly are you trying to do ? |
| 22:42.51 | FoobarWidget | I'm creating a debian package |
| 22:42.54 | stoned | ok |
| 22:43.04 | FoobarWidget | the debian packaging guide conveniently does not explain how version strings work |
| 22:43.08 | stoned | oh |
| 22:43.09 | stoned | that |
| 22:43.17 | simonrvn | there is a manual for this |
| 22:43.17 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 22:43.17 | simonrvn | @$@^&$ iRssi |
| 22:43.18 | dpkg | methinks nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 22:43.23 | amphi | FoobarWidget: >> ? '>=' is common |
| 22:43.29 | stew | FoobarWidget: << means "less than" |
| 22:43.36 | FoobarWidget | isn't '<' less than? |
| 22:43.59 | \amethyst | amphi: *shrug* the topic comes up in d-d fairly often, which is what gave me the idea... I wasn't expecting the results to be so skewed (16k results for Debian, 8.2k for Ubuntu, 4.6k for Fedora, less for others; compared to 44k for Linux) |
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| 22:44.51 | ponyofdeath | hi, im using preseed to install debian via PXE but when i boot with pxe and debian installer loads my network interfaces swap eth0 > eth1 and eth1 > eth0. so i have to manually swap the cable to continue the install can someone help me out with that please? |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | stoned: please don't pretend you know enough about me to call me names |
| 22:45.19 | amphi | \amethyst: strange indeed |
| 22:45.23 | enouf | ponyofdeath: alter your z25 file |
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| 22:45.46 | ponyofdeath | enouf: well i dont control the debian installer |
| 22:45.47 | stew | FoobarWidget: < is the older deprecated form. it should no longer be used |
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| 22:45.56 | stoned | yeh |
| 22:45.59 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control |
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| 22:46.06 | stoned | look here in depends |
| 22:46.08 | enouf | ponyofdeath: or pass it the correct cmdline option in your preseed config |
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| 22:46.33 | stoned | you can specify foo (>=1.2), foo(<=1.3) |
| 22:46.54 | enouf | ponyofdeath: the installation guide has some possible info - see chapter 5.x specifically IIRC, Boot Parameters |
| 22:46.56 | stew | FoobarWidget: i don't know if ">= 1.8.0, <= 1.8.2" is possible, though you might be alte to "Depends: foo (>= 1.8.0) Conflicts: foo (>> 1.8.2) |
| 22:47.03 | jelly-home | space missing in there? (>= 1.2) |
| 22:47.08 | ponyofdeath | enouf: thanks |
| 22:47.18 | stoned | uh |
| 22:47.24 | enouf | ponyofdeath: there's also preseed info in there .. somewhere |
| 22:47.25 | stoned | yeh |
| 22:47.30 | stoned | for 1.3 ex. |
| 22:47.44 | enouf | ponyofdeath: another area to look is wiki.debian.org |
| 22:47.57 | jelly-home | stew: yes foo (>= 1.8.0), foo (<= 1.8.2) works |
| 22:48.11 | stew | makes sense |
| 22:48.16 | stoned | I alrady said that :) |
| 22:48.28 | stoned | go read the link I pasted |
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| 22:49.16 | jelly-home | stoned: you missed some spaces tho |
| 22:49.21 | stoned | 1 space |
| 22:49.27 | stoned | and it was a freakin' example ;) |
| 22:49.42 | stoned | oh no yes i did miss more spaces |
| 22:49.44 | stoned | well whatever |
| 22:49.50 | stoned | you get the idea and shit |
| 22:50.40 | stoned | libmono-winforms2.0-cil <-- best thing ever! |
| 22:50.49 | stoned | now I don't have to use vmware/xp pro, visual studio |
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| 22:50.59 | stoned | smiles hugely! |
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| 22:51.02 | jelly-home | and I'm apparently unable to read tonight, so I'll abstain from #d |
| 22:51.19 | jaalto | What is the screen shortcut key to access window 10? (past 1..9) ? |
| 22:51.22 | linux2 | anyone here know if you can run gkrellm in a system tray? or of another program I can use to control the fans on a dell laptop? |
| 22:51.38 | stoned | i think gnomne and kde feature those |
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| 22:51.45 | linux2 | I am using i8k but I need something to control it that isn't going to be sitting on my desktop all the time |
| 22:51.49 | stoned | but im not sure if gkrellm itself can go in a tray |
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| 22:52.04 | linux2 | stoned, yeah I am looking for anything really |
| 22:52.27 | linux2 | stoned, just has to control the fans based on temperature. Cause the bios set the fans to turn on at 80C and that is a bit hot |
| 22:52.32 | abrotman | jaalto: fairly certain the man page mentions this |
| 22:52.38 | onetinsoldier | jaalto, someone else might be able to answer this, but there is a file somewhere where you have to actually add them yourself |
| 22:53.31 | stoned | linux2, not found anything so far yet |
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| 22:54.03 | nick|here | how can i enable syntax highlighting in emacs on debian etch terminal? |
| 22:54.08 | FoobarWidget | is it possible for multiple packages to provide the same thing? |
| 22:54.14 | stoned | nick|here, for what? |
| 22:54.14 | FoobarWidget | i.e. to have 2 packages installed, both with: |
| 22:54.16 | FoobarWidget | Provides: foobar |
| 22:54.21 | stoned | nick|here, and go into #emacs |
| 22:54.27 | nick|here | stoned: shell scripting |
| 22:54.33 | stoned | nick|here, what shell? |
| 22:54.44 | nick|here | stoned: boash |
| 22:54.50 | nick|here | stoned: bash* |
| 22:54.59 | Wyzard | syntax highlighting in emacs is called "font lock mode" |
| 22:55.07 | Wyzard | your shell doesn't matter |
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| 22:55.25 | stoned | Wyzard, they don't have specific ones for bash or c or something?> |
| 22:55.33 | stoned | only uses php-mode.el |
| 22:55.35 | jaalto | abrotman: right, it was <hotkey> + ' |
| 22:55.52 | nick|here | Wyzard: you are the guy :) i'm new to emacs |
| 22:55.55 | Wyzard | sure, it highlights differently depending on what type of file you're editing |
| 22:56.02 | stoned | M-x font-lock-mode |
| 22:56.09 | stoned | sweet |
| 22:56.14 | Wyzard | but it doesn't matter whether you're running it from a "debian etch terminal", xterm, gnome-terminal, ssh session, etc. |
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| 22:56.25 | stoned | i did not know this |
| 22:56.32 | stew | FoobarWidget: yes, for instance you can have multiple packages installed that Provide: httpd, like you can have apache and apache2 at the same time |
| 22:56.38 | abrotman | jaalto: glad you found it |
| 22:57.06 | jaalto | nick|here: Latest emacs has syxtax highlight already active. If you have 21.x or older add "(global-font-lock-mode 1)" to ~/.emacs |
| 22:57.20 | stew | FoobarWidget: some packages prevent it though, like postfix both Provides: mail-transport-agent and Conflicts mail-transport-agent |
| 22:57.38 | stoned | (global-font-lock-mode t) |
| 22:57.41 | FoobarWidget | it is possible to specify a version number for the Provides? |
| 22:57.49 | FoobarWidget | like: Provides: httpd 1.8.0 |
| 22:57.51 | jaalto | stoned: not t, it's 1 (on) |
| 22:57.58 | FoobarWidget | and then somewhere else: Provides: httpd >= 1.8.0 |
| 22:58.02 | stew | FoobarWidget: no |
| 22:58.07 | rotw | onetinsoldier: after a long set of INSTALL things and some other bash printed to stdout, this came: http://nopaste.com/p/a5IDWrXylb |
| 22:58.13 | stoned | hm |
| 22:58.23 | jaalto | stoned: -1 to turn off |
| 22:58.27 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i will have a look |
| 22:58.27 | stoned | I see |
| 22:58.30 | FoobarWidget | then does the debian packaging system allow for some way to install multiple versions of the same app/library in parallel? |
| 22:58.40 | FoobarWidget | of course, assuming that the package contents are parallel installable |
| 22:58.42 | stoned | that will come in hlepful |
| 22:58.44 | stew | FoobarWidget: if you need a situation like that you make a virtual package with the version in the name, like "httpd1.8.0", for instance look at the provides for libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:58.48 | stoned | man I wish I wasn't such a newb |
| 22:58.49 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: the packages must be named differently |
| 22:58.50 | stoned | I swear to god |
| 22:58.52 | stoned | fuck. |
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| 22:59.15 | FoobarWidget | stew: jelly-home: well I'm writing a RubyGems to .deb converter. RubyGems is a packaging system for ruby |
| 22:59.21 | stew | FoobarWidget: yes, they would have different packagenames, like "libsomething0" and "libsomething1" |
| 22:59.24 | FoobarWidget | and RubyGems allows one to install multiple versions of a package |
| 22:59.24 | rotw | onetinsoldier: thanks |
| 22:59.29 | FoobarWidget | I'm trying to map this to debian |
| 22:59.40 | stoned | debian doesn't already have it? |
| 22:59.41 | stoned | ruby gems? |
| 22:59.49 | FoobarWidget | yes it does, but it's broken in many ways |
| 22:59.53 | stew | FoobarWidget: debian doesn't allow you to install multiple versions of a package, they'd have to have different package names |
| 22:59.55 | stoned | I'm sure it does I setup my apache2 server witih RoR support |
| 22:59.58 | jelly-home | stoned: gems yes. dh-make-gems, no |
| 22:59.59 | dmoerner | ruby gems is not supported in debian |
| 23:00.02 | FoobarWidget | plus lots of debian people hate rubygems |
| 23:00.07 | FoobarWidget | but that's another discussion |
| 23:00.08 | dmoerner | very much at all |
| 23:00.13 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i would say you're welcome, but i'm not sure what to make of the error. perhaps if you could coax stew into having a look at it |
| 23:00.17 | FoobarWidget | stew: yeah but what if a package depends on rails >= 1.2.0 |
| 23:00.26 | FoobarWidget | in that case naming won't work |
| 23:00.38 | FoobarWidget | because debian thinks rails1.2.3 and rails1.4.0 are different packages |
| 23:00.44 | FoobarWidget | instead of the same package with different version |
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| 23:00.50 | stew | FoobarWidget: correct |
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| 23:00.58 | FoobarWidget | so is there any way I can get around this? |
| 23:01.02 | chomwitt | is there Go-00 in lenny repository ? |
| 23:01.08 | onetinsoldier | rotw, that was the error from trying to compile, correct? |
| 23:01.09 | stew | FoobarWidget: what exactly do you need to get around? |
| 23:01.10 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: Debian creates separate packages in cases where the two versions are incompatible with each other |
| 23:01.17 | FoobarWidget | stew: the problem that I described |
| 23:01.21 | FoobarWidget | I need a solution for that |
| 23:01.28 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yup |
| 23:01.33 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: you'll have to figure out a unified distro-global policy for naming gems and make debian accept it :-) |
| 23:02.06 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: for example, gtk 1.x and 2.x are separate packages because programs built for one don't work with the other, so it makes sense to have them installed side-by-side |
| 23:02.06 | onetinsoldier | rotw, it looks as if it was at the point of making the .deb before it bombed out |
| 23:02.11 | stew | FoobarWidget: Depends: ruby1.8 | ruby1.9 |
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| 23:02.38 | onetinsoldier | rotw, what is your version of dpkg? |
| 23:02.47 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: but gtk 2.0 vs. 2.2 are just different versions of the same package, because code built for 2.0 works with 2.2 as well, so there's no need to have both versions installed simultaneously |
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| 23:03.03 | chomwitt | !query dpkg |
| 23:03.11 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: well I'm trying to figure out an automatic way to convert packages |
| 23:03.11 | onetinsoldier | rotw, what is your version of dpkg and build-essentials? |
| 23:03.26 | FoobarWidget | and I can't assume that the versioning scheme of the package says anything about compatibility |
| 23:03.43 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: If rails1.2 and rails1.4 are different packages, they're probably API- or ABI-incompatible with each other |
| 23:04.14 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: yes, but only partially. there are apps out there that work on both rails 2.0 and rails 2.1 |
| 23:04.19 | stew | Wyzard: i'd expect it to work the way, for example python2.4 or python2.5 do |
| 23:04.22 | FoobarWidget | others do not |
| 23:04.30 | rotw | onetinsoldier: dpkg is 1.14.23 |
| 23:04.35 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 23:05.00 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: then there are API changes in 2.1 and Debian would most likely make a separate package of it |
| 23:05.18 | onetinsoldier | rtow, i also have dpkg 1.14.23 |
| 23:05.30 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: is it a useful feature to keep multiple versions installable simultaneously? |
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| 23:05.40 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: If you're trying to package multiple versions of a library, you can make multiple packages with the version number in the name |
| 23:05.40 | stew | Wyzard: they didn't |
| 23:05.46 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: yes, very. ruby programs absolutely rely on this |
| 23:06.07 | jelly-home | interesting design. |
| 23:06.12 | onetinsoldier | rotw, the other one is.. build-essential , not build-essentials, sorry |
| 23:06.18 | naiv | do you know why "wodim: cannot fixate disk" ? i found ton of people having the same problem on websearch, but no explanation nor correction |
| 23:06.49 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: then you'll have to incorporate upstream version in debian package name, I'm afraid |
| 23:06.53 | d00fus_ | Hi, I use Etch with KDE & I have liberation-mono set as terminal font. When I issue 'pstree' I get this output -- http://imagebin.ca/view/L1CWt_h.html |
| 23:06.59 | FoobarWidget | sigh |
| 23:07.17 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: That's not an uncommon or bad thing to do |
| 23:07.23 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: you can make a package on top depend on rails-2.0 | rails-2.1 |
| 23:07.36 | d00fus_ | as you can see, the same font works fine in Gnome terminal but fails on konsole ;[ |
| 23:07.38 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: I understand how debian packaging policy works |
| 23:07.42 | stew | there aren't separate rails pacakges, are there? |
| 23:07.44 | jelly-home | ("rails-2.0" being a package name) |
| 23:07.54 | FoobarWidget | but that's not fully compatible with the way ruby libraries assume dependency resolution is handled |
| 23:08.02 | FoobarWidget | at least the way you described |
| 23:08.13 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: why? |
| 23:08.13 | FoobarWidget | in theory rails 2.0.0 is compatible with rails 2.0.4 |
| 23:08.13 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i tend to think that your kernel did finish compiling.. if so, it could be installed manually |
| 23:08.34 | rotw | onetinsoldier: ok. build-essential is 11.4 |
| 23:08.39 | FoobarWidget | however, rails apps are very complex. for example, some apps depend on bugs in 2.0.0 |
| 23:08.46 | rotw | onetinsoldier: how would i install it manually? |
| 23:08.46 | stew | FoobarWidget: in debian, you cannot have multiple versions of the rails package installed |
| 23:08.49 | FoobarWidget | if 2.0.1 fixes that then those apps break |
| 23:08.57 | FoobarWidget | either intentionally on unintentionally. but it happens |
| 23:09.04 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: do you really have to have 2.0.0 and 2.0.4 installed at the same time? |
| 23:09.08 | FoobarWidget | and so with rubygems people can have 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 installed at the same time |
| 23:09.10 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: then that's a bug in the app, and not something you should package around... package the newer version of the app, which no longer relies on the 2.0.0 bug |
| 23:09.17 | FoobarWidget | the app specifies the exact version that it depends on |
| 23:09.23 | stew | FoobarWidget: if they are doing this, they aren't doing this with debian packages anyway |
| 23:09.26 | onetinsoldier | rotw, i also have the version of that as you. i can't haelp but wonder what went wrong. my make-kpkg makes a .deb for me |
| 23:09.33 | stew | FoobarWidget: unless you are proposing to make your own rails packages too |
| 23:09.34 | onetinsoldier | same* |
| 23:09.45 | rotw | hm :/ |
| 23:09.51 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: I know that it's a bug in the app. but putting the blame there won't help |
| 23:10.11 | FoobarWidget | try to imagine that I'm a developer |
| 23:10.12 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: sounds like a windows mess where there are zillions of versions of same libs for each app |
| 23:10.14 | d00fus_ | nevermind, I got the answer encoding needs to be UTF-8 :D |
| 23:10.38 | onetinsoldier | rotw, well, it's been a looong tims since i've installed one manually. but we can try it if you want |
| 23:10.42 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: please. I know that you are proud on apt but could you try to understand my point of view without thinking that it's inferior? |
| 23:10.54 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: My point is that to design your dependencies such that 2.0.0 and 2.0.4 are independent and unrelated to each other (so that they can be installed side-by-side) will complicate the packaging, just to accomodate a buggy app |
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| 23:11.12 | stew | FoobarWidget: are you going to make your own rails packages? |
| 23:11.15 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: I could care less about apt; just trying to understand the issue |
| 23:11.18 | FoobarWidget | stew: yes |
| 23:11.25 | FoobarWidget | but created automatically by a converter |
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| 23:11.29 | FoobarWidget | I'm writing such a converter |
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| 23:11.46 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard, jelly-home: ok, let me present you with this scenario |
| 23:11.55 | FoobarWidget | I'm a developer. I wrote a rails app against rails 2.0.0 |
| 23:11.56 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: If an app works on 2.0.0 through 2.0.3, say, but fails on 2.0.4, you'd have to put something like "rails2.0.0 | rails2.0.1 | rails2.0.2 | rails2.0.3" in your depends |
| 23:12.05 | FoobarWidget | I accidentally have code in my app that depends on a bug in rails 2.0.0 |
| 23:12.15 | FoobarWidget | and I don't know this, until the day 2.0.1 is released |
| 23:12.24 | FoobarWidget | what I want to do is this: |
| 23:12.38 | FoobarWidget | 1. upgrade to rails 2.0.1 on my development computer |
| 23:12.46 | FoobarWidget | 2. run the unit tests of my app to verify that nothing broke |
| 23:12.46 | onetinsoldier | rotw, do you want to try and install it? |
| 23:13.02 | rotw | onetinsoldier: yes please. |
| 23:13.06 | FoobarWidget | 3. install rails 2.0.1 on the production server, deploy the app to the production server |
| 23:13.24 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok.. type make install ...as root |
| 23:13.28 | FoobarWidget | rubygems allows me to do this. even if I install 2.0.1 on the production server, the 2.0.0 package will still exist |
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| 23:13.32 | FoobarWidget | and my app will use that instead |
| 23:13.36 | FoobarWidget | but |
| 23:13.42 | FoobarWidget | if I use debian's packaging, |
| 23:14.01 | FoobarWidget | then an apt-get update will upgrade rails from 2.0.0 to 2.0.1 |
| 23:14.10 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: That's a sensible sequence of steps to follow, but I don't see how the "install 2.0.1" step requires keeping 2.0.0 installed as well |
| 23:14.12 | FoobarWidget | and will break my app, even if I haven't had the chance to fix it yet |
| 23:14.24 | Wyzard | Just don't upgrade the rails package on the production machine until you've fixed the app |
| 23:14.31 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: well that's how rubygems works. it keeps all versions as separate packages |
| 23:14.34 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: you'll have to a) either have lots of packages, or b) use dependencies to make sure only matching rails2.0 and app versions are installed |
| 23:14.37 | FoobarWidget | but now how deb works |
| 23:14.45 | jelly-home | debs are for end-users |
| 23:15.04 | rotw | # make install |
| 23:15.05 | rotw | sh /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7/arch/x86/boot/install.sh 2.6.27.7-verderben-i386 arch/x86/boot/bzImage System.map "/boot" |
| 23:15.07 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: aren't debs for system administrators? |
| 23:15.14 | stew | both |
| 23:15.15 | FoobarWidget | lots of debian people are complaining about rubygems |
| 23:15.22 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: not the ones that will mess with making them |
| 23:15.23 | FoobarWidget | and it has become clear that it doesn't matter what rubygems does |
| 23:15.27 | FoobarWidget | it doesn't matter what they fix |
| 23:15.33 | FoobarWidget | debian supports will still hate rubygems |
| 23:15.38 | FoobarWidget | for the simple fact that it's not apt |
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| 23:15.46 | FoobarWidget | so I'm not trying to write a gem-to-deb converter |
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| 23:16.00 | amphi | rotw: why not use make-kpkg? |
| 23:16.03 | FoobarWidget | and I need to map rubygems's flexible versioning to debian's |
| 23:16.05 | onetinsoldier | rotw, ok, now we need to make the initrd if we can. i have to read |
| 23:16.19 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: so make lots of packages |
| 23:16.29 | jelly-home | all with different names |
| 23:16.29 | FoobarWidget | I don't want to do it manually |
| 23:16.41 | jelly-home | embed the gem version in the package name |
| 23:16.41 | onetinsoldier | amphi, http://nopaste.com/p/a5IDWrXylb |
| 23:16.47 | FoobarWidget | yes, but that doesn't work. let me explain: |
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| 23:17.05 | stew | FoobarWidget: it would be easier to follow what you were saying if you didn't hit enter so often |
| 23:17.21 | onetinsoldier | amphi, if you can help.. great. i'd appreciate it, and so would rtow i'm sure |
| 23:17.30 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301790 |
| 23:17.47 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: you said you had knowledge that app 1.0 only worked with 2.0.0. Embed that apriori knowledge in app's packaging |
| 23:18.21 | wrench- | I've got an old etch system and i wanted to see the updates for it. However, when i do an "apt-get update" I get the following errors: |
| 23:18.27 | wrench- | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 23:18.27 | FoobarWidget | yes, but that's only true for some apps |
| 23:18.30 | amphi | rotw: if you use make-kpkg to build your kernel, it will make the initrd for you, and create a deb that you can install with dpkg -i |
| 23:18.36 | FoobarWidget | there are apps out there that depend on exactly rails 2.0.0 |
| 23:18.45 | wrench- | W: GPG error: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DC13E54EAB9B66FD |
| 23:18.45 | FoobarWidget | there are apps out there that are compatible with rails >= 2.0.0 |
| 23:18.46 | wrench- | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 23:18.53 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: then their .deb packages can say Depends: rails (=2.0.0) |
| 23:18.53 | FoobarWidget | there are apps out that that are compatible with rails 2.0.x |
| 23:18.59 | jelly-home | Wyzard: no |
| 23:19.09 | Sebboh | Hi. I want to scan every file on a CDrom and get a report that shows me which files can't be read. What do I do? |
| 23:19.13 | FoobarWidget | so how do I make all 3 of these cases work with debian's packaging? |
| 23:19.34 | FoobarWidget | suppose that I give each version its own name |
| 23:19.55 | Wyzard | Are you talking about using Debian's packaged copy of rails, or building your own rails packages? |
| 23:20.03 | \amethyst | building his own I think |
| 23:20.03 | FoobarWidget | I'd have: "rails2.0.0", "rails2.0.1" and "rails2.0.2" as package names |
| 23:20.06 | rotw | amphi: it failed doing just that |
| 23:20.12 | \amethyst | since he wants to have different versions at the same time |
| 23:20.13 | FoobarWidget | but that doesn't work if an app says it requires rails >= 2.0.0 |
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| 23:20.16 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: make each of rails2.0.0, rails2.0.1, rails2.0.xxx Provide: rails-2.0 ... make apps that work on any 2.0.x Depend on the virtual rails-2.0 package |
| 23:20.20 | amphi | rotw: make-kpkg? |
| 23:20.47 | onetinsoldier | amphi, yes.. looks like it happened right when it was about to produse a .deb |
| 23:20.48 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: I want to write an application which automatically, without any human intervention, converts all existing rubygems to .debs |
| 23:20.56 | onetinsoldier | produce* |
| 23:21.04 | stew | FoobarWidget: a) Depends: rails (>= 2.0.0) rails ( << 2.0.1 ) ; b: Depends: rails (>= 2.0.0); c: Depends: rails (>= 2.0.0) rails (<< 2.1) |
| 23:21.09 | amphi | onetinsoldier: odd - it's never failed for me |
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| 23:21.15 | FoobarWidget | jelly: ok. but what if an app depends on rails >= 2.0.3 ? |
| 23:21.20 | \amethyst | stew: he wants to be able to have different versions of rails installed at the same time |
| 23:21.21 | amphi | rotw: what was the error? |
| 23:21.28 | FoobarWidget | (that was for jelly-home) |
| 23:21.31 | \amethyst | stew: so they'd have to be different packages |
| 23:21.37 | jelly-home | stew: he wants multiple rails installable at the same time |
| 23:21.40 | rotw | amphi: the nopaste link onetinsoldier gave you has it |
| 23:21.43 | Wyzard | hmm... does dpkg support versioned provides these days? |
| 23:21.48 | stew | Wyzard: no |
| 23:21.49 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: tough. |
| 23:21.49 | \amethyst | Wyzard: no |
| 23:22.00 | Wyzard | That would be the natural solution |
| 23:22.01 | FoobarWidget | that's my problem |
| 23:22.13 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: yes that's what I asked. it doesn't support it unfortunately |
| 23:22.16 | stew | < FoobarWidget> so I'm not trying to write a gem-to-deb converter < FoobarWidget> Wyzard: I want to write an application which automatically, without any human intervention, converts all existing rubygems to .debs |
| 23:22.20 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: does that include any 2.1.x, 2.2.x etc? |
| 23:22.25 | onetinsoldier | amphi, me either. and last time he tried it, there was some kind of permission error. i had him using a 'linux' symlink and then i was told by someone(themill?) that they didn't think that was used anymore. so i had him get rid of the symlink |
| 23:22.27 | stew | FoobarWidget: what is the difference between those two? |
| 23:22.42 | FoobarWidget | stew: first sentence is a typo :) |
| 23:22.45 | stew | ahh |
| 23:22.47 | FoobarWidget | I *am* trying to write a gem-to-deb converter |
| 23:23.00 | jelly-home | issa dh-make-gem! |
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| 23:23.25 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: (there's an analogue for perl modules called dh-make-perl) |
| 23:24.18 | dupondje | I just installed lenny, but getting problems when I installed nfs-common: Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
| 23:24.20 | dupondje | anyd i's ? |
| 23:24.26 | onetinsoldier | amphi, he can boot directly from the bzImage can't he? |
| 23:24.52 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: if there were versioned Provides, it would be solvable in an easy way |
| 23:25.12 | FoobarWidget | yeah :( |
| 23:25.16 | stew | FoobarWidget: sounds like you want to be the one that adds support for versioned provides to dpkg |
| 23:25.31 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: you can fake those with dummy packages. :-) |
| 23:25.55 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: You could have the "rails2.0.0" provide "rails2.0.0-ornewer", "rails2.0.1" provide both "rails2.0.0-ornewer" and "rails2.0.1-ornewer", etc. |
| 23:25.55 | FoobarWidget | hacking dpkg would probably take too long |
| 23:26.00 | Wyzard | but that gets unwieldy |
| 23:26.04 | FoobarWidget | and I wouldn't even be sure whether they'd accept my patch |
| 23:26.12 | FoobarWidget | it's easier if I find a workaround mysql |
| 23:26.13 | Sebboh | How do I check for file errors on a CD-ROM? |
| 23:26.16 | FoobarWidget | eh... typo -_- |
| 23:26.18 | FoobarWidget | it's easier if I find a workaround myself |
| 23:26.20 | amphi | onetinsoldier: not if it needs an initrd because it's got stuff required to mount / as modules |
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| 23:26.31 | onetinsoldier | amphi, roger that |
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| 23:27.00 | jelly-home | Wyzard: rails2.0.0 mustn't provide -ornewer, but you've got something there |
| 23:27.03 | onetinsoldier | amphi, he'll need an initrd then |
| 23:27.09 | amphi | onetinsoldier: I build kernels without an initrd here |
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| 23:27.28 | amphi | onetinsoldier: or build the stuff required to mount / monolithically |
| 23:27.37 | Wyzard | jelly-home: 2.0.0-ornewer, it should |
| 23:27.42 | Wyzard | jelly-home: 2.0.1-ornewer, of course not |
| 23:27.43 | onetinsoldier | amphi, but you must build all the necessary stuff into the kernel |
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| 23:28.04 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: yeah it's possible. but I'd end up with a very long list |
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| 23:28.22 | Wyzard | and if an app works with 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 but not 2.0.0 or 2.0.3, you could say Depends: rails-2.0.1-ornewer and Conflicts: rails2.0.3-ornewer |
| 23:28.29 | FoobarWidget | like: rails2.0.0 provides "rails1.0.0-ornewer", "rails1.0.1-ornewer", "rails1.0.2-ornewer" ... "rails1.9.0-ornewer" .. |
| 23:28.36 | amphi | onetinsoldier: right, but only what's need to mount / - everything else can be modules |
| 23:28.36 | Wyzard | I think that's the best you can do without versioned provides |
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| 23:28.59 | onetinsoldier | amphi, he pretty mush used the default debian's kernel config, and enabled just went in and enabled a driver that he wanted that's not in 2.6.26 but is in 2.6.27 |
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| 23:29.27 | onetinsoldier | amphi, hope you can bear with my typos. :) |
| 23:29.29 | amphi | onetinsoldier: and make-kpkg --initrd blah failed? |
| 23:29.34 | FoobarWidget | it's probably easier if I package all available gem versions together into the same .deb package |
| 23:29.37 | Internat | stupid qestion.. is there a way to see which packages are installed from a specific mirror? |
| 23:29.39 | amphi | onetinsoldier: heh, no worries |
| 23:29.45 | rotw | amphi: as seen in the paste: yes |
| 23:29.53 | Internat | ie i have debian-multimedia as a repository on one of my computers, but i want to remove it and everything that came in with it.. |
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| 23:29.59 | onetinsoldier | amphi, yes |
| 23:30.03 | amphi | rotw: I didn't see that - can you give me the url? |
| 23:30.24 | rotw | amphi: http://nopaste.com/p/a5IDWrXylb |
| 23:31.11 | dupondje | nobody ? :( |
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| 23:32.19 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: that might be reasonable... what about security issues though? |
| 23:32.38 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: what do you do if a security hole is found in 2.0.0 but some app doesn't work with 2.0.1 or higher? |
| 23:32.46 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: do they provided a patched version of 2.0.0 ? |
| 23:33.11 | sub_ | howdy, I've done some web searching and don't see a consistent way that people are storing iptables rules - is there a Debian-preferred way of doing this? |
| 23:33.46 | amphi | rotw: odd - what does 'verderben' mean? |
| 23:34.03 | Wyzard | sub_: use a firewall package (such as firehol) instead of writing iptables rules by hand |
| 23:34.12 | rotw | amphi: oh, that's the name of my computer |
| 23:34.48 | rotw | amphi: named them "tod" and "verderben", which is german for (something like) "death and destruction" :) |
| 23:35.16 | sub_ | Wyzard: Thanks, I'd like to use one as close to writing rules by hand as I can get, is there one like this? |
| 23:35.33 | sub_ | Ahhh, I just found http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 23:35.45 | amphi | rotw: seems like you cursed yourself ;) |
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| 23:36.02 | rob | anyone know where i can find drivers for the scanner in a multifunction epson stylus cx7000f ? |
| 23:36.04 | amphi | rotw: named it how? |
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| 23:36.34 | amphi | rob: is that one of the all in one scanner/copier/printer things? |
| 23:37.08 | rotw | amphi: well, you know, the network name, as in <user>@<computer>:~$ |
| 23:37.28 | \amethyst | rob: http://www.sane-project.org/lists/sane-backends-external.html says unsupported but might work with some driver called 'snapscan' |
| 23:37.43 | \amethyst | rob: I don't know much about sane, though, so I don't know how to make use of that information |
| 23:37.56 | rob | \amethyst, yes . thanks i'll give it a shot |
| 23:38.23 | amphi | rotw: where did you specify this name? in --revision= ? |
| 23:38.29 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I don't think they do "security" :-) |
| 23:38.59 | \amethyst | jelly-home: seems like rails was designed to make admins tear their hair out |
| 23:39.08 | \amethyst | s/rails/rubygems/ |
| 23:39.18 | \amethyst | or maybe that whole ecosystem |
| 23:39.25 | FoobarWidget | \amethyst: that's the developer's responsibility |
| 23:39.37 | FoobarWidget | they can only upgrade if they've verified that the new version is compatible |
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| 23:40.10 | rotw | amphi: nah, that was when i first installed it, it pops up because of |
| 23:40.13 | rotw | !kp mantra |
| 23:40.14 | dpkg | methinks kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 23:40.33 | onetinsoldier | amphi, have you used mkinitramfs by hand before? ilook at themanpage but don't understand where the input file comes from |
| 23:40.36 | rotw | â that code |
| 23:40.42 | FoobarWidget | \amethyst: why is that designed to make admins tear their hair out? |
| 23:40.44 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: yeah, but having multiple versions of a piece of software installed in different places, by different users, does not make an admin happy |
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| 23:40.51 | FoobarWidget | yes it means that the admin can't just update without the developer knowing |
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| 23:41.01 | FoobarWidget | but if a production site goes down because of such an upgrade then they're in serious trouble |
| 23:41.11 | FoobarWidget | and so the developer always has to do testing before upgrading anything |
| 23:41.22 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: so basically you _must not_ say "this works with any rails v2.0 or newer"? |
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| 23:41.45 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: most large rails app do not. they say "we require this exact version of rails" |
| 23:41.46 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: it means that admins can't close a security hole in rails until the developer of the app releases an updated version of the app |
| 23:41.46 | onetinsoldier | used to use mkinitrd in red hat all the time |
| 23:41.53 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: even though the bug was in rails, not in the app |
| 23:42.01 | FoobarWidget | and they test newer versions, even patchlevel releases, before upgrading that number |
| 23:42.02 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: that's great, so just do 1:1 dependencies |
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| 23:42.13 | chomwitt | does testing repository have the Go-OO version of open office? |
| 23:42.30 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: but I said "most". there are apps out there that do in fact say "this works with rails 2.0 or newer" |
| 23:42.37 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: they lie! |
| 23:42.43 | FoobarWidget | and in fact, most *libraries* say "I depend on foo 1.0 or newer" |
| 23:42.50 | FoobarWidget | instead of "I depend on foo 1.0" |
| 23:42.57 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: also, the fact that such a situation is acceptible. I don't see apps that require perl 5.6 and don't work on 5.8 for example |
| 23:43.04 | dmoerner | chomwitt, yes, as far as i know |
| 23:43.09 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: yes but the admin doesn't even know whether the app will break because of an upgrade |
| 23:43.23 | FoobarWidget | don't you think it's irresponsible to put such a decision in the hands of the admin without developer testing? |
| 23:43.25 | d-b | hi what is the syntax to query dpkg for a gpg key ? |
| 23:43.30 | d-b | in this case DSA key ID 580808C4 |
| 23:43.40 | dupondje | is there a lenny help chan ? :s |
| 23:43.43 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: hm, but if dependecies often break even on patchlevel change, it makes little sense to say "I depend on foo 1.0 or newer"? |
| 23:43.43 | dmoerner | actually it looks like no, chomwitt |
| 23:43.55 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: it depends on the app |
| 23:43.56 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: Generally the expectation is that an upgrade from 2.0.0 to 2.0.1 is a small change to fix a bug and should not break applications |
| 23:44.25 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: some apps are written quickly and rely a lot of rails internals which might change between patchlevel releases |
| 23:44.36 | FoobarWidget | others do not rely on the internals as much and are compatible over multiple versions |
| 23:44.39 | \amethyst | the problem isn't doing testing |
| 23:44.40 | FoobarWidget | so it varies |
| 23:44.45 | \amethyst | it's what happens when the testing fails |
| 23:44.46 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: I'd say forget about having 2.0.0 and 2.0.1 installed at the same time, and use versioned depends on rails2.0 |
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| 23:44.56 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: If there's enough of a risk of it breaking things that the rails versioning system is designed to work around it, it sounds to me like either the rails developers are changing too much in their patch releases, or app developers are just being sloppy |
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| 23:45.15 | FoobarWidget | \amethyst: if the testing fails then they update the code and fix the problem, and *then* they upgrade rails |
| 23:45.15 | onetinsoldier | rotw, you might want to look at the update-initramfs man page, unless amphi comes up with a thought |
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| 23:45.31 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: with emphasis to "should". the real world unfortunately does not work that way |
| 23:45.35 | FoobarWidget | I know it should |
| 23:45.44 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: (and make all the 2.0.0, 2.0.1, etc. package named rails2.0 but with different Version) |
| 23:45.46 | FoobarWidget | but the fact is, I don't know that something is broke until it's broken |
| 23:45.51 | FoobarWidget | I can't see in the future |
| 23:46.34 | FoobarWidget | heck, it's not even a pure rails problem. gnome and gtk had problems like this too |
| 23:46.50 | FoobarWidget | several major apps depended on undocumented behavior in libgnome |
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| 23:47.34 | FoobarWidget | they changed that behavior and things went boom |
| 23:47.34 | jelly-home | uh, libgnome != gtk2 |
| 23:47.34 | jelly-home | uh yeah, an example |
| 23:47.34 | FoobarWidget | uhm yeah, typo |
| 23:47.35 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: The problem is that in order to gain a benefit (avoiding the risk of apps breaking when running on a new patchlevel of rails) you also gain a disadvantage (after you deploy a security fix to rails, your apps still have the security hole until you individually update each app) |
| 23:47.35 | FoobarWidget | in the ideal world nobody would depend on undocumented behavior |
| 23:47.35 | FoobarWidget | but it just doesn't work like that |
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| 23:47.36 | stew | FoobarWidget: btw, there is #debian-ruby on irc.debian.org where the debian ruby packagers can be found |
| 23:47.39 | FoobarWidget | it's like telling people to never make a mistake, ever |
| 23:47.49 | stew | FoobarWidget: please don't ever make a mistake |
| 23:47.56 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 23:48.04 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: That's only a benefit overall if rails patches cause app breakage more often than they fix security flaws |
| 23:48.21 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: that is true. but in the ruby culture, this is seen as acceptable, and better than the alternative |
| 23:48.34 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: debian changes the library soname on incompatible changes, and either rebuilds all the packages depending on the library, or split it into a new, different named package |
| 23:49.15 | Wyzard | jelly-home: he's talking about accidental incompatibilities that the release team doesn't know about (e.g. the app depended on a bug in the older version which has now been fixed) |
| 23:49.15 | brocebeats | I am trying to install the debian ppc version on an old powerbook and yaboot keeps failing with the error "WARNING **: CONFIGURING ' yaboot-installer' failed with error code 1". I have been looking on google but can seem to figure out a system |
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| 23:49.33 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: if the developers want to be responsible for fixing security, then let them |
| 23:49.39 | FoobarWidget | they have every right to |
| 23:49.44 | jelly-home | Wyzard: yes, but he seems to also want even those be able to be installed at the same time |
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| 23:50.19 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: app developers should be responsible for security of their own apps, not security of rails |
| 23:50.27 | onetinsoldier | rotw, did you get my last message? |
| 23:50.49 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: still, it's their choice. who are we to tell them otherwise? |
| 23:51.00 | stew | FoobarWidget: we are the debian elitists |
| 23:51.03 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: packagers and users! |
| 23:51.03 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: If I have five rails apps deployed and they're all still vulnerable to a known security flaw even though the rails developers have released (and I have installed) the fix, I call that a bad thing |
| 23:51.33 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: If I (as an admin) deploy a security fix for rails, I want all my rails apps to actually use the fixed version, and not continue using the insecure version |
| 23:51.40 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: yes, you might call it a bad thing. but is it so hard to imagine that others might disagree with that point of view? |
| 23:51.41 | brocebeats | i found this thread but i am not sure its helpful http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg45657.html |
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| 23:52.00 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: the others can choose not to upgrade |
| 23:52.04 | davide__ | hi guys |
| 23:52.14 | davide__ | to perform a full gnome install aptitude install gnome is enough? |
| 23:52.22 | davide__ | or I need other ? |
| 23:52.32 | stoned | yup |
| 23:52.37 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: considering that pretty much everything works that way except rails, I'd say most admins agree |
| 23:52.37 | stoned | that should be it |
| 23:52.42 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: I mean, that's the common case with Debian. If the newer version breaks your app, downgrade and live with the consequences |
| 23:52.44 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: I, as the owner of the website, don't want the site to go down. it'll cost me money and users |
| 23:52.44 | stoned | !tell davide__ -about install gnome |
| 23:52.59 | FoobarWidget | and if the security vulnerabilities were minor then I'd say it's acceptable |
| 23:53.28 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: then just don't upgrade, as jelly-home said |
| 23:53.32 | FoobarWidget | if the security vulnerabilities were severe then I'd rather take down the website, put up a maintenance notice, and have my developers test compatibility, rather than risking breaking everything because an admin silently upgraded |
| 23:53.40 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: but if the flaw is major and I choose to install the update, I want it to actually take effect |
| 23:53.50 | FoobarWidget | ok, not upgrading is a possibility |
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| 23:54.04 | Wyzard | you'd rather take down the website preemptively rather than risk it going down? |
| 23:54.12 | FoobarWidget | but that doesn't solve my core issue: the fact that I'm writing a gem-to-deb converter and that the versioning schemes aren't compatible |
| 23:54.21 | Wyzard | That's like cutting off your foot to avoid stubbing your toe :-) |
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| 23:54.37 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: there are different compromises you can do |
| 23:54.48 | themill | Wyzard: no, it's like unloading a gun to make sure you don't accidentally shoot yourself while cleaning it. |
| 23:54.49 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: As far as the original problem goes: I like your idea of including all versions in one package |
| 23:54.52 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: no. a "we are maintaining the website, our apologies, please come back later" is better than "500 Internal Server Error" with no explanation given |
| 23:55.07 | jelly-home | \amethyst: hah, that's an idea too. |
| 23:55.21 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: then you can just depend on >= the version you need |
| 23:55.23 | FoobarWidget | \amethyst: well I still need to figure out whether that solves the problem |
| 23:55.42 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: well, I don't know how you tell an individual application which version to use |
| 23:55.44 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: I suppose... but you can still do that under the usual (non-rails) update model |
| 23:55.49 | FoobarWidget | \amethyst: unfortunately not, it won't work like that |
| 23:56.26 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: huh? so all the applications will use the latest installed version? |
| 23:56.29 | FoobarWidget | Wyzard: it's also a usability thing. suppose I typed 'apt-get upgrade'. a huge list of package updates flies by |
| 23:56.35 | FoobarWidget | and I failed to notice that "rails" is one of them |
| 23:56.42 | FoobarWidget | I hit 'y'. it upgrades rails, and my app breaks |
| 23:56.52 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: you can easily tell aptitude to never automatically upgrade a certain package |
| 23:56.55 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: you downgrade it. |
| 23:56.55 | themill | dpkg: tell FoobarWidget about hold |
| 23:57.02 | Wyzard | FoobarWidget: the '=' key IIRC |
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| 23:57.33 | FoobarWidget | ok, point taken. but this is all just discussion about the rails culture |
| 23:57.36 | Wyzard | anyway, I need to leave |
| 23:57.47 | FoobarWidget | my main problem is still that I have to figure out how to properly write the deb-to-gem converter |
| 23:57.54 | FoobarWidget | not whether the rails culture is right or wrong |
| 23:57.59 | amphi | onetinsoldier: no |
| 23:58.05 | \amethyst | gem-to-deb you mean? |
| 23:58.05 | onetinsoldier | ?? |
| 23:58.10 | FoobarWidget | eh yeah -_- |
| 23:58.11 | onetinsoldier | amphi, oh.. roger |
| 23:58.14 | FoobarWidget | (1 AM over here) |
| 23:58.26 | onetinsoldier | amphi, i know what you're answering now |
| 23:58.29 | Wyzard | All versions in one package would work if you don't mind that when a new version is released, everyone has to re-download the entire package (including all the past versions which haven't changed) |
| 23:58.31 | amphi | onetinsoldier: sorry, I was afk |
| 23:58.56 | Wyzard | other than that, there's the 2.0.0-or-newer approach a that I mentioned, and versioned provides in the future when they're supported |
| 23:58.59 | onetinsoldier | amphi, np... looks like it would be the update-initramfs command |
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| 23:59.01 | FoobarWidget | maybe I should cheat and put "gem install foo" in the debian package's postinstall script.... |
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| 23:59.14 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: bad! |
| 23:59.26 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: no point making a .deb then :) |
| 23:59.35 | \amethyst | FoobarWidget: since the files aren't going to be tracked |
| 23:59.40 | amphi | onetinsoldier: if I build my own kernels, I don't use an initramfs |
| 23:59.41 | FoobarWidget | oh yes there is. it gives people the warm fuzzy feeling that they're using apt :) |
