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| 00:00.10 | FoobarWidget | if you ask me, all the complaining about rubygems is bull. I don't even care what package manager it is, or where it puts files, as long as it works |
| 00:00.23 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: what complaining? |
| 00:00.26 | FoobarWidget | but hey, the debian users have spoken. I need to accomodate to their emotional needs |
| 00:00.37 | jelly-home | what users? |
| 00:00.46 | FoobarWidget | http://stakeventures.com/articles/2008/12/04/rubygem-is-from-mars-aptget-is-from-venus |
| 00:00.58 | stew | nice url |
| 00:01.13 | FoobarWidget | for example, a debian developer once said: "By using Ruby Gems, you dramatically increase entropy and harm your systems' security." |
| 00:01.17 | FoobarWidget | with no real explanation given |
| 00:01.25 | FoobarWidget | and things like this go on and on |
| 00:01.55 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: uh, ask him what he meant? |
| 00:02.44 | FoobarWidget | after reading all that flaming I don't even want to bother. he's clearly convinced that rubygems is the spawn of satan |
| 00:02.51 | FoobarWidget | constructive discussion will not be possible |
| 00:03.05 | stew | just switch to python |
| 00:03.14 | jelly-home | perhaps he's not the only one not seeing the other side PoV |
| 00:03.20 | FoobarWidget | which has easy_install. probably same problem |
| 00:03.37 | onetinsoldier | amphi, yeah.. with make-kpkg.. correct? |
| 00:03.43 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: well, I'm trying to acomodate to the other PoV by writing a converter |
| 00:04.01 | FoobarWidget | even though I think they're wrong, I'm still trying |
| 00:04.04 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: you can't make a 1:1 converter |
| 00:04.15 | FoobarWidget | I'm trying to get as close as possible |
| 00:04.52 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: I'd compromise and make foo1.0, foo1.1 separate packages, and deal with the patchlevels on a package version basis |
| 00:04.54 | onetinsoldier | amphi, i build my own too... so, i'm with you man |
| 00:04.58 | amphi | onetinsoldier: right |
| 00:05.38 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: this _will_ mean you won't be able to have 1.0.0 and 1.0.1 installed at the same time, but it will also mean simpler package dependencies |
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| 00:06.50 | onetinsoldier | amphi, ok.. then you might not know it, but you use update-initramfs if you use the --initrd option. my question should probably have been have you ever installed one manually(no .deb!) i have, quite a bit, but it was many years ago and i was a red hat user. |
| 00:06.51 | themill | FoobarWidget: what happens when 1.0.1 is a security fix for 1.0.0. Do you want 1.0.0 to remain installed on the system? |
| 00:07.18 | FoobarWidget | ideally I want both to be installed and have the app decide which one to use |
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| 00:07.26 | FoobarWidget | the app can either decide to depend on 1.0.0 |
| 00:07.30 | FoobarWidget | or depend on >= 1.0.0 |
| 00:07.38 | themill | FoobarWidget: I can tell you that I don't want known vulnerable code around. |
| 00:07.48 | FoobarWidget | themill: yes but that's just you |
| 00:07.57 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: the app package can by default depend solely on 1.0.0. |
| 00:07.58 | FoobarWidget | I can tell you that I want to test my app before upgrading to 1.0.1 |
| 00:08.06 | FoobarWidget | instead of having a sysadmin blindly upgrading and breaking things |
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| 00:08.15 | simonrvn | no, that's not just him. |
| 00:08.24 | FoobarWidget | yes but it's not just me either |
| 00:08.36 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: after you test the package with 1.0.1, make a newer version that depends on either |
| 00:08.37 | FoobarWidget | the point is, there are plenty of people who disagree with your PoV |
| 00:08.42 | FoobarWidget | so why not give them the choice? |
| 00:08.46 | themill | FoobarWidget: no admin is going to be happy about making it easier for known vulnerable code to be installed on the machine. |
| 00:08.47 | FoobarWidget | why not let them disagree if they want to? |
| 00:08.51 | onetinsoldier | rotw, where did you go man?!? |
| 00:08.59 | jelly-home | sighs |
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| 00:09.05 | FoobarWidget | themill: still, don't you think it should be up to them to decide? |
| 00:09.06 | themill | FoobarWidget: It's not a good choice.... if they want to disagree, then they work outside the packaging system just as they already are. |
| 00:09.13 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: can we limit ourselves to the technical issue? |
| 00:09.16 | FoobarWidget | they shouldn't have to |
| 00:09.30 | jelly-home | FoobarWidget: move the "app choosing" decision to packaging time. |
| 00:09.37 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: yes we can. it's about time I stop responding to people who are trying to force their view |
| 00:09.53 | themill | FoobarWidget: no, they should have to. Debian is not going to start providing tools to help idiots keep known vulnerable code in place. |
| 00:09.53 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 00:10.09 | jelly-home | themill: he's not putting his packages in Debian ffs |
| 00:10.30 | FoobarWidget | what jelly-home said |
| 00:10.37 | jelly-home | themill: so if he wants to have vuln.code installed, it doesn't matter |
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| 00:10.47 | simonrvn | WTF would you want vulerable crap installed? that's just braindead IMO. whether or not it's going to be in Debian is a side-issue. |
| 00:11.00 | FoobarWidget | simonrvn: end of discussion. scroll up the backlog if you want to know more |
| 00:11.20 | simonrvn | i know enough. thanks for the offer. |
| 00:11.26 | FoobarWidget | there are many legit reasons and there are people who have reason to disagree |
| 00:11.27 | themill | But we are talking about subverting the packaging system in order to give an illusion that it is still using apt, still debian, and still safe. |
| 00:11.35 | FoobarWidget | please don't reply with knee-jerk reactions |
| 00:11.44 | jelly-home | simonrvn: we're trying to address the security vs. usability |
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| 00:12.08 | t325 | Hello, I have a working Apache server with SSL (self-signed cert.) enabled on my Etch box; I'd like to install the signed SSL certificate I obtained today from ipsCA, and their tutorial doesn't apply to the directory structure of Debian Etch - could you please point me to a valid tutorial for installing a signed SSL certif. on Etch? |
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| 00:12.17 | onetinsoldier | this whole thing sounds kinda fubar to me. :-P |
| 00:12.22 | themill | jelly-home: don't worry about rebooting your server with the known remote kernel vuln because it's not convenient next time then.... |
| 00:12.28 | simonrvn | stays out of it then "i know what i'd do". |
| 00:12.42 | themill | jelly-home: just be sure to tell us that you've made that decision though :P |
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| 00:13.32 | jelly-home | themill: I'm not going to repeat what I answered twice to. |
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| 00:17.07 | Internat | Morning all.. is there a way to see which packages are installed from a specific mirror? ie i have debian-multimedia as a repository on one of my computers, but i want to remove it and everything that came in with it.. |
| 00:17.24 | themill | dpkg: tell Internat about list respositories |
| 00:17.51 | themill | gah |
| 00:17.55 | themill | dpkg: tell Internat about list repositories |
| 00:18.08 | Internat | got it. ta |
| 00:18.17 | onetinsoldier | rotw, where did you go man?!? |
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| 00:19.03 | t325 | Anyone good at SSL configuration?.. |
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| 00:22.38 | Austin | I am trying to install the debian ppc version on an old powerbook and yaboot keeps failing with the error "WARNING **: CONFIGURING ' yaboot-installer' failed with error code 1". I have been looking on google but can seem to figure out a fix |
| 00:22.42 | Austin | :/ |
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| 00:23.23 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:23.24 | dpkg | well, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 00:25.45 | t325 | hehe I'm running on it (G4 1.5 GHz) and it's damn slow! |
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| 00:29.24 | t325 | bye (I've found my luck at #apache) |
| 00:29.27 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 00:29.46 | onetinsoldier | hi |
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| 00:49.30 | dustybin | is there a way to tunnel firefox website browsing through another remote server? |
| 00:49.40 | dustybin | ssh server@remote_location.org -L 80:localhost:80 <-- would this work? |
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| 01:00.03 | Jewfro-Macabbi | dustybin, ssh -D 9999 - then point firefox to localhost socks5 port 9999 |
| 01:00.45 | Jewfro-Macabbi | dustybin, ssh -D 9999 server@remote - even |
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| 01:02.46 | [orochi] | hello :> are there many people here using lenny as their desktop "distro" of choice? i have no problems with it technically at least which is great, but i'm concerned about the lag in security updates for testing |
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| 01:02.58 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 01:02.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/, or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
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| 01:05.35 | GhostlyDeath | How do I clear the apt cache? |
| 01:05.37 | [orochi] | abrotman: oh thanks for mentioning that page again, i had lost the bookmark :> it's definitely helpful as a reference at least |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: aptitude clean |
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| 01:06.53 | GhostlyDeath | yay, freed 60MB, now I have 1.69% free space! |
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| 01:07.49 | abrotman | check /var/log/ |
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| 01:09.17 | dustybin | Jewfro-Macabbi: ill test |
| 01:09.28 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: Can all those logs be deleted? |
| 01:10.01 | abrotman | not all .. but the .gz ones likely, if you odn't care about logs |
| 01:10.10 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, maybe I could create a RAM drive then symlink into the RAM drive |
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| 01:10.22 | GhostlyDeath | I got tons of memory |
| 01:11.00 | oklinux | do you want to sell some of you memory GhostlyDeath ? |
| 01:11.47 | GhostlyDeath | oklinux: Want my memories of me riding my bike? |
| 01:11.53 | GhostlyDeath | $200! |
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| 01:13.29 | Guerin | oklinux: you sterilise the brains-jar and hold him down, I'll get the angle grinder and teaspoon |
| 01:14.28 | GhostlyDeath | Hope you enjoy my bike riding experiences, there's a no return policy! |
| 01:14.33 | stoned | huh |
| 01:14.43 | dustybin | ive created a few ssh connections, what have remained connected |
| 01:14.53 | dustybin | how can i disconnect all ssh connections? |
| 01:15.04 | stoned | kill sshd and run it again ? |
| 01:15.06 | stoned | :) |
| 01:15.15 | Guerin | no |
| 01:15.20 | stoned | jk |
| 01:15.25 | Guerin | killing sshd doesn't hurt established connections |
| 01:15.33 | Guerin | which, if you think about it for a second, is a good thing |
| 01:15.39 | stoned | are you sure? |
| 01:15.45 | dustybin | 192.168.1.80.59105 host81-X-X-X.ssh ESTABLISHED |
| 01:15.49 | dustybin | lots of those ^^ |
| 01:15.54 | dustybin | on the client machine |
| 01:16.00 | [orochi] | Guerin: If you kill all the running instances of sshd it will :> |
| 01:16.10 | [orochi] | ala killall -9 sshd as root |
| 01:16.16 | dustybin | ok frank |
| 01:16.17 | stoned | pkill -9 sshd |
| 01:16.21 | Guerin | condiser this: you log into a remote box and change some setting or other to your sshd. Then you restart it. What would you do if it killed your connection and it locked you out? |
| 01:16.29 | stoned | orochi! |
| 01:16.45 | stoned | crazy demon |
| 01:16.45 | [orochi] | stoned: !?!? |
| 01:16.48 | Guerin | that's a stupid thing to do in any case |
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| 01:17.05 | Guerin | better to just kill the individual PIDs shown by netstat |
| 01:17.23 | stoned | its better to just kill you! |
| 01:17.28 | stoned | kills Guerin |
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| 01:17.48 | dustybin | how can firefox connect to the internet if i create a ssh tunnel on my friends remote machine? |
| 01:17.52 | stoned | so now Guerin's status is Z |
| 01:17.54 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:18.55 | Guerin | stoned: i'd eat your braaaaains, but then I might go hungry |
| 01:19.00 | nullboy | dustybin: users would use your ssh server as a socks 5 proxy |
| 01:19.14 | dustybin | if i issue this on my client machine |
| 01:19.16 | dustybin | ssh -D localhost:8080 remote@server.org |
| 01:19.33 | stoned | lol |
| 01:19.34 | dustybin | then change the firefox network settings to use 127.0.0.1:8080 |
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| 01:19.44 | abrotman | there is no firefox in debian |
| 01:19.45 | nullboy | dustybin: that will start a dynamic socks tunnel using 8080 on the local system to proxy traffic to your ssh server |
| 01:19.54 | nullboy | abrotman: it's iceweasel.... |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | no kidding ... |
| 01:20.18 | dustybin | nullboy: does that mean i can access the internet as usual, but use my friends connection? |
| 01:20.21 | amphi | waits for enouf to sing the song of the volga bloatmen |
| 01:20.32 | stoned | amphi, man... wtf |
| 01:20.38 | stoned | where do you come up with this shit |
| 01:20.52 | amphi | eh? |
| 01:20.55 | nullboy | dustybin: if "remote@server.org" is your friends server, yes, it will be as if you are using his conneciton |
| 01:21.04 | dustybin | nullboy: what about DNS? |
| 01:21.06 | stoned | no its great man, everytime I see you I learn something new, maybe not always useful, but new |
| 01:21.13 | stoned | song of the volga bloatmen |
| 01:21.15 | stoned | word |
| 01:21.20 | nullboy | dustybin: there is an option in firefox to make sure it tunnels DNS traffic too |
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| 01:21.26 | dustybin | ohhhh ok |
| 01:21.29 | tuxx | YOU ARE THE LAMEST FUCKS ON THE PLANET |
| 01:21.30 | LimCore | how to list which applications depend on libwx ? |
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| 01:21.41 | LimCore | hi tuxx, you seem like a nice guy |
| 01:21.46 | stoned | lol |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | apt-cache rdepends |
| 01:21.49 | assignme | hey guys, why does "# openssl ca -out cert1.pem -infiles cert1.pem" fail with "Expecting: CERTIFICATE REQUEST" |
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| 01:21.50 | nullboy | tuxx: need a hug? |
| 01:21.59 | nullboy | oh he's gone |
| 01:22.09 | nullboy | dustybin: network.proxy.socks_remote_dns |
| 01:22.16 | nullboy | set that to true |
| 01:22.36 | dustybin | nullboy: ill have to find where to access that bugger |
| 01:22.44 | nullboy | about:config |
| 01:22.49 | nullboy | in the address bar |
| 01:23.05 | amphi | stoned: heh |
| 01:23.06 | dustybin | ssh -D 8080 -fN user@server <-- i wonder what -fN do? |
| 01:23.14 | nullboy | man ssh |
| 01:23.18 | nullboy | it will tell you... |
| 01:23.46 | dustybin | nullboy: im actually on os x leopard, but that config has come up |
| 01:23.56 | nullboy | ? |
| 01:24.06 | nullboy | about:config isn't linux only...it's firefox specific.... |
| 01:24.13 | nullboy | aka x-platform |
| 01:24.19 | stoned | yeh |
| 01:24.38 | dustybin | ok its set to true |
| 01:24.44 | stoned | about:plugins, about:cache, about:firefox, about:blank, about:config |
| 01:24.47 | stoned | etc. etc. etc. |
| 01:24.51 | nullboy | -N mean do not execute a remote command anf -f means go background |
| 01:25.02 | dustybin | i hate background |
| 01:25.04 | dustybin | i forget about it |
| 01:25.07 | nullboy | that will just free up the term |
| 01:25.23 | stoned | there is an extention to firefox called about: something |
| 01:25.38 | stoned | it lets you have a menu which had menus for the menu stuff like the stuff i typed earlier |
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| 01:25.49 | dustybin | time to ssh |
| 01:25.49 | nullboy | btw, opensshd is also able to create tun/tap VPNs with pingable interfaces if you have the proper OS support |
| 01:25.54 | stoned | all of them, even ones i forgot |
| 01:26.55 | nullboy | as well as reverse tunnels where you can have an internal system connect out to a remote server and allow you to ssh back down the initial connection...good for gaining access to system behind firewalls |
| 01:27.15 | jelly-home | nullboy: and breaching corporate rules! |
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| 01:27.25 | nullboy | jelly-home: not if you're the admin... |
| 01:27.47 | dustybin | are there any netstat commands i could use to test if the ssh tunnel has been created properly? |
| 01:27.48 | nullboy | for the admin it is a secure method to gain schduled access |
| 01:28.22 | nullboy | dustybin: start the tunnel, start browsing, then run netstat on the system you are browsing on and it will show a lot of connections to 127.0.0.1:8080 |
| 01:28.31 | [orochi] | yay, pidgin compiled :> /me pats apt-get build-dep |
| 01:29.12 | jelly-home | nullboy: /me prefers vpns |
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| 01:29.22 | nullboy | jelly-home: sshd is a vpn.... |
| 01:29.38 | Sebboh | no it's not. |
| 01:29.40 | jelly-home | vpn with a tcp transport = weak |
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| 01:30.05 | nullboy | Sebboh: oh really? have you ever even looked at -w and what it creates? |
| 01:30.15 | nullboy | jelly-home: it is still a form of VPN |
| 01:30.33 | jelly-home | nullboy: it's a mere low-performing tunnel solution! |
| 01:30.34 | stoned | you jsut said its a vpn |
| 01:30.43 | stoned | then you just said its a FORM of a vpn |
| 01:30.46 | stoned | what will you say now |
| 01:30.47 | dustybin | i just created the tunnel, changed firefox settings, all i got was a blank empty page, netstat | grep 127.0.0.1 showed nothing, i created the ssh tunnel with ssh -D 8080 remote@server |
| 01:30.51 | stoned | well its like a vpn but it isnt? |
| 01:30.52 | stoned | wtf |
| 01:30.57 | nullboy | just because we are on l3 instead of l2 doesn't mean it is not a vpn....there are different types of vpns |
| 01:31.08 | stoned | you're a vpn |
| 01:31.23 | nullboy | ... |
| 01:31.26 | Sebboh | nullboy, I stand semi-corrected. Good work. |
| 01:31.59 | Sebboh | (I did not know that ssh could play with tun devices.) |
| 01:32.10 | jelly-home | it's a recent feat |
| 01:32.12 | nullboy | it does, and it works well for a poor man's VPN |
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| 01:32.32 | nullboy | it's just a bit more involved than -D |
| 01:32.47 | jelly-home | -D is a socks proxy |
| 01:32.57 | nullboy | mmhmm |
| 01:33.42 | nullboy | it's actually a dynamic socks proxy, where -R and -L aren't dynamic |
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| 01:34.23 | jelly-home | -R and -L aren't a socks proxy. |
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| 01:34.42 | dustybin | strange, all im getting is a blank empty firefox page |
| 01:35.00 | jelly-home | "dynamic" is kinda redundant there... that's how SOCKS works |
| 01:35.02 | dustybin | if i exit the tunnel, then firefox complains it cannot connect to the proxy |
| 01:35.25 | nullboy | jelly-home: ok, i'm done splitting lame hairs with you, you want "teh win" you have teh win |
| 01:35.31 | HorizonXP | hey, in the FTP i386 installer directory, which files should I download to boot from a USB stick? |
| 01:35.43 | Sebboh | snatches teh win away. |
| 01:35.45 | jelly-home | dustybin: naturally! Don't kill the tunnel. |
| 01:35.57 | dustybin | jelly-home: i killed it to test if it was connecting, it was |
| 01:36.21 | dustybin | i connected again, but firefox just shows nothing at all, not even a error |
| 01:36.51 | Guerin | it's connecting, just not getting any data |
| 01:36.58 | Guerin | the trouble is on the other end of the tunnel |
| 01:37.34 | dustybin | i wonder why |
| 01:37.54 | nullboy | dustybin: in your firefox proxy settings, set it up like this: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/ffproxyexample.jpg |
| 01:37.54 | dustybin | i can ping google.com on the remote server no problem |
| 01:37.57 | Guerin | because of intrinsic fail |
| 01:38.09 | nullboy | dustybin: make sure it is exactly like that, don't fill in http |
| 01:38.22 | dustybin | ok frank |
| 01:38.31 | nullboy | frank? |
| 01:38.54 | dustybin | oh hell mine was setup wrong |
| 01:38.57 | dustybin | :P |
| 01:38.58 | nullboy | ... |
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| 01:39.06 | stoned | stop |
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| 01:39.10 | stoned | witht he fucking dot dot dot |
| 01:39.13 | nullboy | ... |
| 01:39.17 | stoned | stop it |
| 01:39.20 | jelly-home | dots :( |
| 01:39.20 | dustybin | . |
| 01:39.25 | nullboy | stoned: who about you stop being a dikfore |
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| 01:39.34 | stoned | deal |
| 01:39.39 | stoned | you stop first with the dot dot dot |
| 01:39.43 | nullboy | deal |
| 01:39.44 | nullboy | ... |
| 01:39.46 | twobitsprite | !popcorn |
| 01:39.46 | dpkg | pours a bag of popcorn into dimir's lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about "popcon") |
| 01:40.03 | stoned | stop it! |
| 01:40.06 | nullboy | deal |
| 01:40.11 | jelly-home | stoned: just ignore him |
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| 01:40.26 | dustybin | that worked!!!!!!! im using my friends connection, take that sucker!!!!!!! |
| 01:40.28 | stoned | jelly-home, you always the voice of wisdom |
| 01:40.31 | stoned | thank you |
| 01:40.31 | nullboy | dustybin: lol |
| 01:40.38 | jelly-home | !!!!! |
| 01:40.38 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 01:40.56 | stoned | damn man |
| 01:40.59 | stoned | the bot just dissed you |
| 01:41.03 | roland- | hey where can I get a lenny bootable cd? network install ? |
| 01:41.10 | Guerin | you don't |
| 01:41.13 | dustybin | now i have lots of these |
| 01:41.14 | Guerin | lenny isn't released yet |
| 01:41.14 | dustybin | tcp4 0 0 localhost.59325 localhost.http-alt ESTABLISHED |
| 01:41.15 | dustybin | tcp4 0 0 localhost.http-alt localhost.59324 ESTABLISHED |
| 01:41.19 | stoned | !tell roland- -about d-i |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | roland-: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:41.30 | stoned | Guerin, what do you mean you dont? |
| 01:41.35 | twobitsprite | Guerin: you can still get cds for it, no? |
| 01:41.36 | stoned | of cours you do |
| 01:41.41 | stoned | you can always get stabe and testing |
| 01:41.44 | Guerin | until lenny is released the installers are probably broken and worthless |
| 01:41.53 | stoned | you have to upgrade to sid or install it using a diff debconf priority |
| 01:41.56 | luke3321 | the lenny installer works fine |
| 01:41.59 | twobitsprite | Guerin: worked fine for me |
| 01:42.00 | stoned | but you can always find stable/testing |
| 01:42.10 | Guerin | is it a rc yet? |
| 01:42.15 | jelly-home | dustybin: that's normal. you can also use a LD_PRELOAD wrapper to make (some) SOCKS unaware apps work thru the proxy too |
| 01:42.17 | Sebboh | roland-, the link that abrotman mentioned is a good idea. Guerin is going on about something, but I don't think he's on the right page.. |
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| 01:42.33 | Sebboh | Guerin, check the link that abrotman stated. |
| 01:42.40 | Guerin | Sebboh: yehyeh |
| 01:42.47 | stoned | Guerin, go lay down |
| 01:43.09 | twobitsprite | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 01:43.17 | Sebboh | 's desk is littered with Lenny CDs... |
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| 01:43.25 | Guerin | oh, that's what happens when I don't check the rel;ease page for a few weeks |
| 01:43.34 | stoned | no |
| 01:43.39 | Guerin | withdraws and apologises |
| 01:43.40 | stoned | it has nothing nto do with few weeks |
| 01:43.47 | stoned | its ALWAYS been this way for as long as I can remember |
| 01:43.55 | twobitsprite | Guerin: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 01:43.57 | jpinx | did a network install from the businesscard CD image with no problems |
| 01:44.01 | Guerin | stoned: really, RC1 has been out for as long as you can remember? |
| 01:44.09 | stoned | Guerin, not rc1, but testing |
| 01:44.16 | Guerin | twobitsprite: yeah, weekly builds are roulette |
| 01:44.22 | stoned | he never specifically said he was looking for rc1 |
| 01:44.30 | stoned | he said lenny |
| 01:44.32 | twobitsprite | Guerin: my point is that YOU CAN GET LENNY CDS |
| 01:44.35 | stoned | tahts testing |
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| 01:44.39 | stoned | which you can always get |
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| 01:44.42 | stoned | capice? |
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| 01:44.53 | Sebboh | :D the point is that lenny is just testing, and nightly/weekly netinst cd images have been available for testing for as long as d-i has been around in that form. |
| 01:44.54 | Guerin | the question is whether they are any use or not |
| 01:45.02 | Guerin | thich they mostly aren't until RC |
| 01:45.03 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: s/lenny/installer that's going to be used for lenny/ |
| 01:45.12 | twobitsprite | no its not... the question was whether or not you can get the CDs :) |
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| 01:45.16 | stoned | Guerin, give it up bro :) |
| 01:45.21 | Guerin | it's not customary in #d to give people the tools to fuck themselves up |
| 01:45.29 | stoned | give! |
| 01:45.30 | stoned | goddamit |
| 01:45.33 | twobitsprite | Guerin: since when? |
| 01:45.52 | ponyofdeath | hi, if i put postfix related stuff in my preseed file during automated install would that automatically install postfix? |
| 01:46.01 | Guerin | twobitsprite: since people began coming in asking `HOW CANZ I INSTAL SID PLZ LOL!!!??' |
| 01:46.11 | Sebboh | gives Guerin a cookie. You'll get 'em next time, Champ. |
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| 01:46.17 | jpinx | Guerin is right - we don't recommend anything but stable |
| 01:46.24 | twobitsprite | Guerin: I'll tell people how to install sid all day long... I might warn them about it... |
| 01:46.38 | twobitsprite | jpinx: who is this "we" you're talking about |
| 01:46.44 | Guerin | twobitsprite: well, don't do it in here, unless you plan to support their installation personally. |
| 01:47.04 | stoned | that also gives the idea that sid is supported here |
| 01:47.06 | stoned | and its not |
| 01:47.09 | twobitsprite | Guerin: if you recommend a car to someone, do they expect you to support it? |
| 01:47.15 | stoned | if you want to suprot it thats diff, but officially sid is not supported |
| 01:47.20 | Sebboh | Does Debian (official) have any metrics about how many stable, testing, and experimental machines are out there? |
| 01:47.29 | jpinx | twobitsprite: unless you are prepared to personally hold someone's hand through a sid install - don't suggest it |
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| 01:48.00 | Guerin | twobitsprite: if you're seen to be the dealer's representative, then yeah, you'd be their first port of call if something went wrong. Particularly if you're recommending a concept or prototype vehicle. |
| 01:48.05 | stoned | look |
| 01:48.10 | stoned | now its getting into stupid argument |
| 01:48.11 | stoned | listen |
| 01:48.19 | stoned | don't fucking tell people to use sid |
| 01:48.21 | stoned | simple as that |
| 01:48.24 | nullboy | lol |
| 01:48.26 | stoned | if you wanna do it, msg em |
| 01:48.29 | stoned | fuck. |
| 01:48.30 | jelly-home | Sebboh: perhaps /msg dpkg popcon |
| 01:48.33 | twobitsprite | Guerin: I'm just some dude in an IRC channel... how does that make me an official representative of either debian, or #debian? |
| 01:48.38 | Guerin | Sebboh: impossible to tell, given that any such survey would be self-selected |
| 01:48.54 | nullboy | twobitsprite: people take it more seriously than you could ever imagine. |
| 01:49.12 | jpinx | twobitsprite: as soon as you offer advice to anyone - you're part of the support team here |
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| 01:49.17 | Guerin | twobitsprite: I didn't say official, I said `seen to be representing', which in here you are - even though it's not official. This has been litigated hundreds of times - a pity you don't seem to have been here for any of them. |
| 01:49.22 | Sebboh | I have roughly six times more Lenny machines than Etch machines, fyi. All production. The only reason for a couple of stable machines is because Debian's support for Xen is drunk. |
| 01:49.29 | twobitsprite | anyways... I never _tell_ people to use sid, but if someone asked in here, and was warned, and still wanted to do it, I'd tell them how |
| 01:49.33 | twobitsprite | shrugs |
| 01:49.34 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 01:49.35 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny... |
| 01:49.38 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 01:49.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 01:49.40 | Guerin | anyway, not as huge a deal as has been made of it |
| 01:49.47 | stoned | !sid upgrade |
| 01:49.48 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 01:49.51 | stoned | thats it |
| 01:49.55 | abrotman | finally ... |
| 01:49.55 | stoned | enough spam |
| 01:49.58 | stoned | but you get the idea |
| 01:50.33 | stoned | Guerin, no its not a huge deal but you're right |
| 01:50.41 | Guerin | just the usual culture of this channel is to be conservative in recommendations and advice, based on the precautionary people that those most likely to ask advice to do stupid things are those least equipped to bail themselves out |
| 01:50.47 | stoned | people shouldn't recommend sid to anyone on a general basis |
| 01:50.48 | stoned | you now |
| 01:50.50 | twobitsprite | I know all of that stuff, and if someone asked how to get packages from sid, I would tell them those things... but if they still _really_ wanted to, I would let them know how... *shrug* </stupid argument> |
| 01:50.52 | stoned | know* |
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| 01:51.38 | Sebboh | yeah yeah sid bad. What about testing, though? ... Does anybody honestly think that stable is .. usable? :/ Hell, for LAMP, maybe.. So long as your M is an old version of mysql, not a recent postgres.. ;P |
| 01:51.46 | stoned | sid is not bad |
| 01:51.48 | stoned | dude |
| 01:51.52 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:52.12 | luke3321 | not that im advocating it, but i allways use testing on a desktop |
| 01:52.24 | luke3321 | but always stable on any type of server |
| 01:52.39 | Guerin | hm, how's testing's security support nowadays? |
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| 01:52.44 | twobitsprite | luke3321: me too.. and I advocate it (with requisite disclaimer, etc) |
| 01:52.50 | Sebboh | I almost always use testing on servers, too. ... |
| 01:52.56 | jpinx | uses etch nhalf on public servers with total confidence in it's stability, security and support |
| 01:52.58 | Guerin | that would mitigate a fair whack of risk using it on servers |
| 01:53.03 | luke3321 | twobitsprite: I see ^^ |
| 01:53.16 | Sebboh | Etch and half? |
| 01:53.25 | twobitsprite | !etch and half |
| 01:53.27 | jpinx | !etchnhalf |
| 01:53.27 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 01:53.28 | luke3321 | I just use stable on a server because i dont wont to have to deal with any problems |
| 01:53.36 | luke3321 | it might cause downtime |
| 01:53.41 | luke3321 | not a good thing... |
| 01:54.54 | jpinx | I have etchnhalf on my laptop, but i also have and use mostly now-frozen testing |
| 01:55.13 | Sebboh | Oh, yeah, that sounds good. I could see using etchnhalf on a server that I'm not going to be logged into everday.. in place of testing. |
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| 01:56.10 | luke3321 | I use the closest release to stable that has the features I need/want |
| 01:56.11 | jpinx | people use debian for different reasons - I have never ever played a game on debian - some people do little else |
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| 01:56.39 | jpinx | luke3321: etchnhalf with backports ? |
| 01:56.58 | luke3321 | jpinx: Hm? |
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| 01:58.07 | [orochi] | hopefully lenny will go stable someday soon, at least that'll catch things up for people who are newer to debian and perhaps not willing to move ahead to testing just yet :> |
| 01:58.20 | luke3321 | yeah |
| 01:58.39 | luke3321 | Debian released any estimations as to when that will happen? |
| 01:58.46 | jpinx | hopefully lenny will go stable when they are sure it is stable and not before |
| 01:58.48 | Sebboh | "When it's done." :D |
| 01:58.49 | twobitsprite | when its ready |
| 01:58.59 | Sebboh | s/done/ready/ sorry. :( |
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| 01:59.04 | [orochi] | which is another way of saying you don't know :P |
| 01:59.20 | twobitsprite | or another way of saying no one knows |
| 01:59.51 | jpinx | doesn't want to know -- etchnhalf with backports is perfectly adequate for a webserver. |
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| 02:00.42 | Sebboh | orochi, that specific phrase is almost like a trademark of Debian.. It means that Debian makes a good product, and isn't going to release a shoddy product to meet a deadline. ('cause there isn't a deadline.) |
| 02:01.46 | joyfulgirl | Hi, just popping in for a random question (I forget whether this is the case): Is popularity-contest installed by default? |
| 02:01.50 | Sebboh | I just compiled some little utility.. it comes with it's own libraries. How do I set the library path? (Temporarily; I'm not installing this in the system.) |
| 02:02.15 | [orochi] | Sebboh: That may be well and good, although personally I've found that there's plenty of products out there that are both current and stable :> So I guess it depends more on your own personal preference than technical merit |
| 02:02.27 | joyfulgirl | Sebboh: There's probably a ./configure option (./configure --help | less) |
| 02:02.56 | joyfulgirl | Sebboh: Probably something like --libdir |
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| 02:03.10 | joyfulgirl | Sebboh: (or --includedir) |
| 02:03.52 | Sebboh | joyfulgirl, sorry, let me rephrase.. I have an elf executable, and the library that it requires.. And they are in different directories. How can I tell my shell where to find the libraries when I run it? |
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| 02:04.22 | adb | joyfulgirl: yes, but user is asked if Yes/No want to activate that option |
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| 02:04.32 | joyfulgirl | Sebboh: Ah, post-compile. I think generally that's s'posed to be compiled in \-: |
| 02:04.35 | joyfulgirl | adb: Thanks! |
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| 02:05.08 | Sebboh | joyfulgirl, I always answer no to popcon, because.. . she left. If I don't, I get a bunch of returned mail on localhost. |
| 02:05.27 | Sebboh | .. did anybody ever update popcon to use a simple http post interface? |
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| 02:06.13 | jpinx | [orochi]: debian only pkgs products for stable when those pkgs are proved to be stable alongside all the rest of the things that are in there already. |
| 02:06.38 | abrotman | jpinx: what? |
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| 02:08.51 | jelly-home | Sebboh: man ld.so; look at LD_PRELOAD or LD_LIBRARY_PATH env. variables |
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| 02:09.29 | Sebboh | ah yes. Thanks jelly. |
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| 02:12.50 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 02:12.58 | lkthomas | anyone using debian + samba PDC + windowsxp ? |
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| 02:13.31 | Sebboh | jelly, and this whole ldconfig thing.. is that new? In terms of years.. =P |
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| 02:14.02 | Sebboh | lkthomas, I tried that once. Brought production down for 24 hours.. (there was a w2k3 in the mix..) |
| 02:14.04 | jelly-home | Sebboh: not by far. |
| 02:14.35 | jelly-home | Sebboh: I think it came up with libc6 / ld.so.2 |
| 02:14.59 | jelly-home | might be wrong |
| 02:15.12 | Sebboh | libc6 hit distros in what, 2001? |
| 02:15.35 | jelly-home | more like late 90s |
| 02:15.54 | Sebboh | I remember upgrading libc on a slackbox.. I know that box was built in 2001. (first box.) |
| 02:16.12 | Sebboh | I had to reinstall. =P |
| 02:16.22 | jelly-home | hamm (debian 2.0) had libc6 and libc5 afair |
| 02:16.38 | linux2 | anyone here having issues with alsa? I am trying to get it to work on my dell 8100. Sound works fine on any other linux distro, but I don't know why it refuses to work in debian. I have tried stable, testing, and unstable and they all give the same error when running alsaconf. I'm hoping I can get this to work and don't have to resort to using another distro |
| 02:16.52 | abrotman | that error would be? |
| 02:17.03 | lkthomas | Sebboh: are you using tdb backend ? I can't change/add user on windowsxp user account section |
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| 02:17.15 | lkthomas | I can't even change my own password |
| 02:17.16 | lkthomas | on windowspx |
| 02:17.20 | linux2 | abrotman, Setting default volumes... |
| 02:17.20 | linux2 | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 02:17.20 | linux2 | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 02:17.20 | linux2 | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1497: No soundcards found... |
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| 02:17.35 | abrotman | !tell linux2 about paste |
| 02:17.48 | linux2 | abrotman, haha I know. I thought the limit was 4 lines |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | you spoke one then pasted three quickly after .. thus four |
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| 02:18.32 | CShadowRun | offtopic question for anyone who is bored, anyone got any idea why my mail isn't working? http://pastebin.com/m4723e793 I used a web based tool to check my MX records, it said i didn't have any. |
| 02:19.53 | jelly-home | Sebboh: changelog.Debian for libc6 goes as far as 1999 |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | CShadowRun: your whole zone file isn't there, but did you remember to increment the serial ? |
| 02:21.22 | CShadowRun | abrotman sorry, don't know what either of those are |
| 02:21.38 | CShadowRun | i'm just pasting the settings from my domains control panel, maybe that stuff is behind the scenes, handled by my provider |
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| 02:22.00 | abrotman | perhaps .. |
| 02:22.24 | CShadowRun | i think it might be because of that CNAME record i have on the root domain, but i'm not sure |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | but i'm guessing something isn't being updated .. the serial appears to be 2008080808 |
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| 02:22.49 | abrotman | as a guess |
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| 02:24.01 | CShadowRun | abrotman well i entered most of that info today and it's all updated correctly |
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| 02:24.15 | CShadowRun | all the A records, and the 2 cname records where entered minutes before the MX |
| 02:24.17 | abrotman | maybe they just didn't run it yet |
| 02:24.28 | CShadowRun | maybe, but i also think it's supposed to be instant :p |
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| 02:24.44 | abrotman | then ask them |
| 02:24.54 | CShadowRun | guess so |
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| 02:40.00 | ronaldmak | ? |
| 02:41.18 | ronaldmak | hi, anyone tried new etch and half 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | etchnhalf is .24 |
| 02:42.08 | CShadowRun | abrotman it was that CNAME record, i just removed it and my mail works now :p |
| 02:42.09 | ronaldmak | new release is out few days ago |
| 02:42.25 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 02:42.46 | ronaldmak | still using 2.6.24? |
| 02:42.50 | gewt | i like efcb and a half |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | yes, etchnhalf uses .24 |
| 02:43.20 | ronaldmak | oh.. i might confuse with lenny. |
| 02:43.25 | abrotman | there is a .26 in lenny and for etch at backports.org, but etchnhalf is .24 |
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| 02:44.55 | ronaldmak | the addition note in etchnhalf installer page says "The current âetch-and-a-halfâ installation images based on Debian Installer Lenny RC1 use a newer kernel (2.6.26) than the version that was included in the âetch-and-a-halfâ release and is installed for the target system (2.6.24). In some cases this can mean that hardware which is supported during the installation does not work after the reboot into the installed system because support |
| 02:44.56 | ronaldmak | for it was added after the 2.6.24 version." |
| 02:45.24 | ronaldmak | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf |
| 02:45.32 | abrotman | yes, and so what .. etchnhalf is .24 |
| 02:45.42 | nullboy | is there a specific ! entry about building your own kernel from the vanilla sources and properly integrating it into a debian system? |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | !tell nullboy about kp |
| 02:45.54 | abrotman | !tell nullboy about kp mantra |
| 02:46.04 | ronaldmak | o.. then I'll not try it. |
| 02:46.07 | nullboy | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | ronaldmak: why not? |
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| 02:47.05 | ronaldmak | still at .24 kernel might not solve my problem mounting my portable MP4 player. |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | so try the backports.org .26 kernel |
| 02:47.40 | ronaldmak | is the backports .26 stable? |
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| 02:48.25 | ronaldmak | maybe i setup a test system to try before i install on my laptop |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | good plan |
| 02:48.48 | ronaldmak | the hd is fully loaded my stuff. |
| 02:49.15 | ronaldmak | thx for the location for new kernel. |
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| 02:49.32 | abrotman | just make sure you read the instructions at backports.org |
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| 03:09.06 | jhambo | If I install lenny instead of etch, does that cause any issues when lenny becomes stable and etch becomes the old stable? Will I have to do anything special when that happens? |
| 03:09.50 | extor | There has just been an etch-n-half kernel patch, is that for a sploit? |
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| 03:16.25 | abrotman | jhambo: point your sources at lenny |
| 03:16.34 | abrotman | extor: the DSA will tell you |
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| 03:28.41 | preston | if i install the net cd alone without any additional downloads what will i have, in otherwords will it be enough to boot into a desktop and get online? |
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| 03:29.06 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:29.07 | jhambo | abrotman: so if I use "lenny" in sources.list instead of "testing", does that mean that I don't have to do anything special when lenny becomes stable? |
| 03:29.27 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:29.40 | jhambo | sweet |
| 03:30.12 | preston | abrotman, so all the essential packages are there its just barebones? |
| 03:30.31 | liable | you dont get a desktop from netinst without downloading it |
| 03:30.44 | abrotman | preston: right .. you get a very basic install of debian |
| 03:30.46 | liable | you get a basic install. no x |
| 03:32.05 | jhambo | I think preston means "window manager" when he says "desktop" |
| 03:32.31 | liable | he wont get that either |
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| 03:32.52 | preston | so i would be using basically cli from that point |
| 03:32.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:33.06 | abrotman | what's wrong with a CLI desktop? :) |
| 03:33.39 | liable | ascii porn doesnt appeal to most.. |
| 03:33.40 | preston | nothing, just my lack of ability at this point |
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| 03:36.42 | preston | thanks for the info guys |
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| 03:43.10 | enouf | liable: if this doesn't turn you on ... you're .. dead |
| 03:43.14 | enouf | http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/pinups/pinup00.txt |
| 03:43.36 | drazak | pr0n! |
| 03:43.39 | kunwon1 | stupid kdelibs... someone should make a gdirstat so I don't have to use kdirstat :D |
| 03:43.52 | liable | her teeth are a bit manky! |
| 03:43.55 | nullboy | that's awesome lil |
| 03:43.57 | nullboy | lol |
| 03:44.11 | nullboy | manky lmao |
| 03:44.20 | nullboy | what the hell does that mean? lol |
| 03:44.23 | drazak | hawt |
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| 03:45.06 | nullboy | Kitchen slang for nasty, wet or soggy |
| 03:45.07 | nullboy | hahahaha |
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| 03:45.32 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 03:53.46 | chriswaterguy | I'm trying to figure out if debian is right for me. I want something fast and lightweight, but not super difficult (Mandriva has been easy, ArchLinux sounds hard). And I need to be able to run non-free stuff when needed, e.g. Skype. |
| 03:55.10 | Kevin` | how can I get a sorted list of installed packages by disk usage? gui with dependencies or such would be nice |
| 03:55.11 | Lagbolt | chriswaterguy, thats sounds like my debian install |
| 03:55.59 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 03:55.59 | dpkg | sort by size is, like, perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 03:56.00 | chriswaterguy | Lagbolt: Cool! I'm using LXDE desktop on Mandriva, which is good. But Mandriva still feels bloated. |
| 03:56.20 | abrotman | Kevin`: and IIRC the grep-dctrl method is more accurate-ish |
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| 03:57.51 | shivraj | why is this new kernel so buggy ? |
| 03:58.28 | abrotman | be less vague |
| 03:59.41 | amphi | !blame linus |
| 03:59.41 | dpkg | blames d0lphin_n0el and linus for the end of culture as we know it |
| 04:00.39 | LimCore | kernel overal could be far better |
| 04:01.11 | LimCore | I found that funny, how one user can easly crash system by starving entire system with stupid forkbombs |
| 04:01.43 | Kevin` | liable: to be fair that's fairly easy to prevent.. |
| 04:02.07 | liable | eh? |
| 04:02.21 | Kevin` | LimCore rather |
| 04:02.29 | LimCore | how? if you put ulimit on say 100 processes and 100 MB... then I will just run 100 processes, each using 100 MB = 10 GB totall and bam |
| 04:02.32 | LimCore | kicks it up a notch |
| 04:03.02 | LimCore | c-groups something something was supposed to FINALLY (oh god SO LONG) allow to limit per SUM of user processes |
| 04:03.15 | Kevin` | hm, it's been a while since I had to deal with that |
| 04:03.30 | Kevin` | I had a user doing exactly that kind of stuff though |
| 04:03.39 | LimCore | I would guess most small servers are totally ownable this simple way |
| 04:03.46 | LimCore | *DDoSable |
| 04:03.56 | LimCore | imho this is brain-dead |
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| 04:09.26 | chriswaterguy | How much disk space should I allow for installing Debian with LXDE? I'll be aiming to be light. I have about 4.9 GB spare in my current Linux partition, and am thinking of using some of that. |
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| 04:10.32 | abrotman | i don't think LXDE is in debian |
| 04:10.47 | abrotman | oh . i was wrong |
| 04:10.54 | abrotman | chriswaterguy: 500MB maybe ? |
| 04:11.02 | abrotman | a GB ? |
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| 04:11.40 | chriswaterguy | abrotman: wow, that's impressive. |
| 04:11.50 | abrotman | why? |
| 04:12.04 | abrotman | you didn't say what else you wanted |
| 04:12.10 | chriswaterguy | Will give it 1 or 1.2GB to be safe. |
| 04:12.28 | abrotman | why not more? |
| 04:12.29 | karlpinc | My default etch install gets 2 errors when I say 'sysctl -a > /dev/null'. Is this a selinux thing? |
| 04:12.32 | chriswaterguy | ah, that doesn't include anything like OpenOffice, FF3...? |
| 04:12.40 | abrotman | chriswaterguy: nope .. you didn't ask for that stuff |
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| 04:12.56 | chriswaterguy | abrotman: :-) still learning |
| 04:13.22 | chriswaterguy | abrotman: so I just add the sizes of those other programs to figure out how much I need? |
| 04:13.30 | d0lphin_n0el | amphi dpkg :) |
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| 04:13.37 | abrotman | chriswaterguy: i have a pile of software installed, including FF/OO and a few window managers, and my install is about 5GB |
| 04:13.43 | amphi | d0lphin_n0el: pardon? |
| 04:13.50 | abrotman | chriswaterguy: you probably wouldn't ahve that much junk installed |
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| 04:14.07 | abrotman | blames asg for wordplay |
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| 04:17.06 | chriswaterguy | abrotman: cool. I do tend to accumulate junk. But the main thing is to experiment with what a light install could look like. |
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| 04:19.33 | chriswaterguy | So I would split my existing root partition and use a Debian net install to give me a light install? |
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| 04:21.01 | abrotman | uhm .. not sure what "split" means .. but sure! :) |
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| 04:34.58 | jberg- | hm, i have /home/johan/music and /storage/music/johan and mount --bind /storage/music/johan /home/johan/music and then mount --make-slave /storage/music/johan, so i thought files in /home/johan/music should be propagated to /storage/music/johan but not the other way around, unfortunately it goes both ways |
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| 04:39.56 | rvalles | oh noes, some person from the recording industry |
| 04:40.08 | rvalles | binding and making slaves out of musicians |
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| 04:41.02 | rvalles | I never used this make-slave thing |
| 04:41.06 | rvalles | goes check |
| 04:41.52 | jberg- | oh, and i want to set up something like this (only get it to work :) for new users, but i couldn't find info on making a script that gets run when i add new users, is that possible? |
| 04:42.21 | rvalles | oh, it looks like it's not for files |
| 04:42.25 | rvalles | but rather, for mounts |
| 04:42.31 | rvalles | so of course it won't work |
| 04:42.36 | rvalles | files don't propagate, mounts do |
| 04:42.41 | jberg- | rvalles, ah yes i see it now |
| 04:42.43 | jberg- | stupid |
| 04:43.11 | rvalles | mount something somewhere/a/ |
| 04:43.13 | jberg- | why do they have make-rslave then? |
| 04:43.34 | rvalles | and the mount would appear in the slave/a/ |
| 04:43.54 | rvalles | while if you mount something slave/a/ |
| 04:44.02 | rvalles | it doesn't appear in somewhere/a/ (only one way) |
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| 04:44.33 | rvalles | hm |
| 04:44.34 | jberg- | yep, i understand |
| 04:44.36 | rvalles | ok |
| 04:44.44 | rvalles | what you want to do, tho |
| 04:44.47 | rvalles | it's probably covered |
| 04:44.56 | rvalles | by something like that FUSE plugin called... |
| 04:44.58 | jberg- | what? |
| 04:45.05 | rvalles | mergefs? or how was it called? no idea |
| 04:45.14 | rvalles | but it's very popular on livecds and dvds |
| 04:45.27 | rvalles | they usually "overlay" the CD or DVD with ramfs or tmpfs |
| 04:45.44 | jberg- | huh? i dont understand anything |
| 04:46.09 | rvalles | so that you can actually do things like install programs (which would modify the fs structure that's on a read-only disk... but instead, the ramfs keeps the differences in an overlayish fashion) |
| 04:46.23 | rvalles | maybe it was called "overlayfs". |
| 04:46.43 | jberg- | ok ok. but, do you know how i can make an adduser script? |
| 04:46.44 | rvalles | fuse is an api that allows for userspace filesystems. |
| 04:46.57 | jberg- | i see, will check it out |
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| 04:47.21 | rvalles | overlayfs is an fs that does what (I think) you want to do |
| 04:47.30 | rvalles | which is implemented on fuse api. |
| 04:47.47 | rvalles | it's still very hackish and I'd avoid it if I could |
| 04:48.08 | rvalles | as in, it works |
| 04:48.26 | rvalles | but it's not something I'd use myself |
| 04:48.59 | rvalles | (userspace means ugly: loss of performance by user-to-kernel and the other way around copies) |
| 04:49.05 | rvalles | (and context switches...) |
| 04:49.09 | jberg- | do you know how to make an adduser script though?!? |
| 04:49.40 | rvalles | well, that's not problematic... heck, you can just modify those from the distro |
| 04:49.57 | jberg- | problem is i can't find any files |
| 04:50.09 | rvalles | continues his crappy uni practice |
| 04:50.10 | rvalles | explain that |
| 04:50.39 | jberg- | ill go do something else too |
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| 05:05.37 | clever | usr/bin/xdm: FAILED |
| 05:05.37 | clever | usr/lib/X11/xdm/chooser: FAILED |
| 05:05.49 | clever | anybody know why my binarys are getting damaeged? |
| 05:06.33 | nullboy | that damn binary goblin is back |
| 05:07.11 | clever | usr/lib/firefox-3.0.4/firefox: FAILED |
| 05:07.11 | clever | usr/lib/firefox-3.0.4/ffox-3-beta-profile-migration-dialog: FAILED |
| 05:07.31 | clever | it seems to only affect binary files, the gz and text stuff is all ok |
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| 05:10.18 | liable | broken libc6? |
| 05:10.35 | clever | usr/bin/beep: FAILED |
| 05:10.46 | nullboy | geez |
| 05:10.54 | clever | even simple console programs are broken! |
| 05:11.03 | nullboy | clever: does strace work? |
| 05:11.11 | clever | nullboy: yes |
| 05:11.26 | clever | by 'broken' i mean the md5 hash doesnt match |
| 05:11.35 | clever | the program itself works ok 95% of the time |
| 05:11.40 | nullboy | oh |
| 05:11.52 | clever | but now that i check |
| 05:11.57 | nullboy | well that would worry me even more, the md5's |
| 05:12.17 | clever | lib/ld-2.7.so: FAILED |
| 05:12.27 | clever | md5sum: WARNING: 19 of 311 computed checksums did NOT match |
| 05:12.40 | clever | a large chunk of the libc6 package is 'broken' |
| 05:13.18 | clever | which could lead to basic tools like gunzip producing damaged files at a later time |
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| 06:33.34 | jhambo | I'm trying to install lenny on an acer aspire one by booting off of an SD card connected through a USB card reader. |
| 06:37.09 | Guerin | you have my condolences |
| 06:37.19 | Guerin | !rube goldberg install |
| 06:37.19 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 06:37.28 | Craigevil | jhambo: you might want to take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
| 06:38.05 | jhambo | I follow http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne and do `zcat /path/to/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda` then `mount /dev/sda` and copy over a business card size iso. But when I try to boot this on the acer one, it just goes straight to M$ xp |
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| 06:40.30 | jhambo | I get the files from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso. Are these the correct files? |
| 06:42.02 | jhambo | Damn, I think I'm missing the punch card reader... :( |
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| 06:55.40 | Sweetandy | Does anybody in here use Debian on an iBook G4? |
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| 06:58.35 | Sweetandy | I'm wondering if this two-fingers-on-the-touch-pad-and-a-click works as a right-click as I've heard |
| 06:59.06 | Sweetandy | I'm getting the laptop in a few days and wanted to know if I should look into alternatives |
| 06:59.11 | Sweetandy | of how to right-click, I mean |
| 06:59.43 | Gah | it's too complicated for me to even remember -- but what about control-click? |
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| 07:02.15 | deadcat | anyone uses artwiz fonts (used to be xfonts-artwiz, but no longer in repo). i get error trying to xterm -fn one of the fonts. |
| 07:02.25 | deadcat | xlsfonts |grep edges returns edges |
| 07:02.42 | deadcat | it used to work fine. but my computer hdd died. this is a new install/upgrade back to sid. |
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| 07:05.27 | hoxu | !sid |
| 07:05.27 | dpkg | hmm... sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 07:05.40 | hoxu | !bts |
| 07:05.40 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 07:06.39 | shivraj | is the 2.6.18 kernel more stable than 2.2.26 ? |
| 07:06.56 | mhymn_ | sure |
| 07:07.02 | Guerin | shivraj: wtf |
| 07:07.08 | mhymn_ | 2.2?!? |
| 07:07.18 | Guerin | 2.2.26 is older than Miley Cyrus |
| 07:07.20 | shivraj | this 2.2.26 has panicked while burning a cd |
| 07:07.43 | shivraj | 2.6.26 |
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| 07:09.39 | shivraj | Linus needs to release more stable shit |
| 07:09.54 | mhymn_ | shivraj: uname -a ? |
| 07:09.54 | Guerin | shivraj: i suggest you email him and tell himn |
| 07:10.03 | Guerin | or better yet, email lkml and tell them |
| 07:11.26 | shivraj | shivraj@helium:~$ uname -a |
| 07:11.26 | shivraj | Linux helium 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 19:00:26 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:12.21 | mhymn_ | shivraj: where did you get that kernel from? |
| 07:13.13 | shivraj | mhymn_: uhh from a debian package |
| 07:13.20 | shivraj | from debian.org |
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| 07:13.40 | Guerin | looks like stock lenny |
| 07:13.53 | shivraj | someonetimes the computer doesnt start, it gets stuck at loading modules |
| 07:13.56 | shivraj | weird |
| 07:14.03 | mhymn_ | the default lenny one is stable enough |
| 07:14.05 | shivraj | yeah |
| 07:14.20 | Guerin | yeah, I've run that kernel on a bunch of shit under all sorts of conditions and it's good |
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| 07:14.38 | Guerin | try another if you can get one |
| 07:14.42 | shivraj | yeah I am thinking about loading that one |
| 07:15.25 | shivraj | I really dont have any use for this new one, I'll just have to load up different firmware for my wireless broadcom card |
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| 07:17.34 | shivraj | now 2.6.18 is not even on the mirror |
| 07:17.35 | Sweetandy | broadcom, that's what apple uses |
| 07:17.59 | shivraj | everyone uses broadcom, its like intel to the wireless world |
| 07:18.18 | Sweetandy | I see. |
| 07:18.46 | superjet_busy | I've set exim,tor,lighttpd to start when boot and rcconf and sysvrc-conf show it correct, but those don't start at all, I must /etc/init.d/tor start to run them after login |
| 07:19.05 | superjet_busy | what's the problem? |
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| 07:21.17 | unbeatable | does anyone know how to install quota in debian? |
| 07:21.20 | Guerin | shivraj: no, only damned fools use broadcom |
| 07:21.23 | unbeatable | i've been working on it no luck |
| 07:21.31 | Guerin | unbeatable: quota for what? |
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| 07:21.49 | unbeatable | to set limiting on users |
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| 07:22.01 | unbeatable | set limit on disk space |
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| 07:22.50 | Craigevil | unbeatable: apt-get install quota does work for you? |
| 07:22.52 | mhymn_ | !tell superjet_busy about update-rc.d |
| 07:22.57 | Guerin | unbeatable: what filesystem? |
| 07:22.57 | unbeatable | yea |
| 07:23.00 | unbeatable | i can install it |
| 07:23.25 | unbeatable | i mean how do i set so that i can limit the disk space for user |
| 07:23.37 | mhymn_ | rtfm |
| 07:23.49 | unbeatable | i have like 3 usrs |
| 07:23.58 | unbeatable | i want to limit the disk space for them |
| 07:25.55 | shivraj | Guerin: whats better ? |
| 07:26.03 | Guerin | shivraj: practically anything |
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| 07:26.23 | shivraj | works fine for me |
| 07:26.25 | Guerin | i use ralink, though because their linux drivers are shit I use it on obsd |
| 07:26.31 | Guerin | shivraj: apparently it doesn't. |
| 07:26.32 | unbeatable | Guerin what do u mean what filessystem |
| 07:26.43 | shivraj | hmm ... |
| 07:26.47 | shivraj | you're right |
| 07:26.49 | Guerin | unbeatable: if you don't understand that question you have no business setting up quotas. |
| 07:26.56 | shivraj | maybe thats causing my problems |
| 07:27.27 | unbeatable | doesn't it quota is to set the disk space for the user? |
| 07:27.30 | Guerin | shivraj: it usually does, because it's a horrible hack based on a kludge of many kludges based on GPL-violations based on a black-box source |
| 07:27.46 | Guerin | !broadcom |
| 07:27.46 | dpkg | For wireless cards using Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>, <b43legacy> or <bcm43xx>. For Ethernet cards, ask me about <bcm5906m> to use NetLink BCM5906M with Linux 2.6.18 (Etch), or see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux for BCM47XX series. |
| 07:28.09 | Guerin | hm, not the factoid I was looking for |
| 07:28.16 | shivraj | Guerin: but even intel is somewaht closed |
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| 07:28.30 | Guerin | shivraj: yes. Intel is better than broadcom, but still not that great. |
| 07:28.32 | liable | atheros ftw |
| 07:28.44 | Guerin | the good atherosen are good too, I hear |
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| 07:29.07 | unbeatable | Guerin: doesn't it quota is to set the disk space for the users? |
| 07:29.10 | Guerin | but generally wifi is what happens when you let marketers design something instead of engineers |
| 07:29.15 | Guerin | unbeatable: yes, it does. |
| 07:29.29 | Guerin | unbeatable: i thought you knew this already, since that's what you wanted to set up. |
| 07:29.38 | unbeatable | yea |
| 07:29.43 | Guerin | so go set it up |
| 07:30.17 | unbeatable | if i knew how to set it up i won't be asking for help |
| 07:30.43 | unbeatable | if u don't wanna help that's fine |
| 07:31.05 | deadcat | anyone uses artwiz fonts (used to be xfonts-artwiz, but no longer in repo). i get error trying to xterm -fn one of the fonts. |
| 07:31.07 | mhymn_ | unbeatable: /msg dpkg rtfm |
| 07:33.01 | Guerin | !anyone use artwiz fonts |
| 07:33.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses artwiz fonts, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:33.10 | Guerin | dpkg: come on, you know better than to poll the fucking channel |
| 07:33.11 | dpkg | Guerin: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:33.15 | Guerin | oh, heh |
| 07:33.21 | Guerin | deadcat: see above :) |
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| 07:44.17 | nascentmind | hi. when i connect my headphone jack onto my laptop i still get sound from my main speaker. why is that? |
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| 07:45.53 | deadcat | Guerin: so nobody? |
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| 07:49.00 | Guerin | deadcat: nobody, not even you. |
| 07:49.15 | nascentmind | anybody? |
| 07:49.23 | Guerin | deadcat: and if anyone did they'd have ignored you for polling the channel like a damned fool |
| 07:49.29 | Guerin | !anybody? |
| 07:49.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 07:49.40 | jhambo_ | I'm trying to boot lenny. Installer want wep key during network config. I put it in correctly as passphrase with s:passphrasefoo. the wireless router is allowing DHCP connections but I get "network autoconfiguration failed". Suggestions? |
| 07:49.55 | shivraj | anyone know whats a good router to create a wireless bridge with ? |
| 07:50.07 | nascentmind | Guerin, i have already asked the question! |
| 07:50.50 | Guerin | nascentmind: yes, you have. It's because your headphone jack's speaker kill hasn't been actuated |
| 07:51.11 | Guerin | nascentmind: (or because it's stupidly designed and you have to control the speaker separately to the jack) |
| 07:51.31 | nascentmind | Guerin, well i know that. It works in vista but it doesn't in linux. |
| 07:51.53 | nascentmind | it automatically cuts the sound in vista. |
| 07:52.15 | cahoot | might be the alsa driver is less than perfect |
| 07:52.15 | nascentmind | its a compaq |
| 07:52.32 | deadcat | Guerin: so i guess the answer is no. |
| 07:52.48 | cahoot | possibky some option to te module can help matters |
| 07:52.55 | nascentmind | cahoot, alsa is less than perfect. after an upgrade i seem to be getting some popping sounds. |
| 07:53.24 | cahoot | see ALSA-Configuration.txt |
| 07:54.31 | superjet_busy | xvidcore has been removed from debian? |
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| 07:54.56 | Guerin | nascentmind: that signifies that your laptop is just shit. The speaker kill should be actuated in hardware by a switch inside the jack. If it relies on the driver then you're dependent on software, and that's bad. |
| 07:55.09 | nascentmind | cahoot, well does it address popping issues? |
| 07:55.09 | Guerin | superjet_busy: p.d.o |
| 07:55.31 | Guerin | deadcat: you guess? Isn't it crystal fucking clear? |
| 07:55.43 | cahoot | nascentmind: what kernelversion is this? |
| 07:56.04 | nascentmind | 2.6..26-1 |
| 07:57.20 | superjet_busy | Guerin: got it :) |
| 07:57.30 | cahoot | nascentmind: implies a rather modern alsa too - else the latest possible alsa version might help |
| 07:57.56 | nascentmind | cahoot, i have been having problems since 3 updates of the kernel i guess. |
| 07:58.23 | cahoot | so for you matters are getting worse ? |
| 07:58.34 | nascentmind | for some reason whenever it boots up it says configuring alsa-card0 and alsa-card1 |
| 07:58.42 | nascentmind | when i have only 1 card |
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| 07:59.37 | cahoot | no tv-card or such? |
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| 07:59.43 | nascentmind | cahoot, none.. |
| 07:59.59 | cahoot | cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 08:01.27 | nascentmind | ooh.. it has 0 and 1.. i.e. a sis card and a modem. |
| 08:01.38 | nascentmind | cahoot, does alsa deal even with modems? |
| 08:01.58 | cahoot | some sound 'cards' double as modems |
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| 08:03.22 | nascentmind | cahoot, k.. now i get this same problem the last time i upgraded my kernel.. the /dev/hda problem.. now after an upgrade grub gives out an error near update-grub |
| 08:04.19 | nascentmind | I had the solution before of changing the device.map file. should i change it? after that there was a command which i forgot. |
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| 08:05.58 | nascentmind | i did a dist-upgrade right now. |
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| 08:07.30 | orgthingy | hello ! |
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| 08:10.28 | nascentmind | k got it.. dpkg --configure -a |
| 08:10.32 | nascentmind | whew |
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| 08:17.44 | Python1320 | Uh, is there any way to change my namservers on resolv.conf and apply the changes without reboot or connection loss? |
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| 08:19.03 | Python1320 | Or does it actually effect immediatelly? |
| 08:19.08 | simonrvn | Python1320: you don't have to reboot or restart the network for that. can i ask where you got that idea? |
| 08:19.38 | Python1320 | simonrvn, most of network changes require restart that I've done and I guess google gave me that idea |
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| 08:20.10 | Python1320 | And.. of course not google itself but the pages I've looked at. |
| 08:20.20 | simonrvn | odd. what sort of changes? |
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| 08:20.52 | Python1320 | simonrvn, oh sorry, I mean changing interface settings. |
| 08:21.11 | Python1320 | So there might be some sort of connectivity breakage |
| 08:21.12 | simonrvn | don't need to reboot for that |
| 08:21.15 | Python1320 | kk |
| 08:21.27 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d/networking script |
| 08:21.43 | Python1320 | ah ok, thanks |
| 08:21.57 | simonrvn | np |
| 08:22.10 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 08:22.10 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 08:22.22 | Python1320 | :) |
| 08:22.40 | simonrvn | describes it pretty succintly ;) |
| 08:22.53 | liable | !qotd2 |
| 08:22.53 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 08:23.31 | simonrvn | still funny, even after so long |
| 08:23.38 | simonrvn | !factinfo qotd2 |
| 08:23.39 | dpkg | qotd2 -- last modified at Sat Aug 7 04:04:01 2004 by peterS!~peterS~@adsl-66-138-124-254.dsl.wcfltx.swbell.net; it has been requested 308 times, last by liable, 46s ago. |
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| 08:30.16 | rahsputin | good morning! i just looked in /home/user/.ssh at the file known_hosts, and found that the file is differs than the same file on my other machine in my home network, i thought that this could mean that i am being attacked ( man-in-the-middle ) how can i find out if this so and how do i get rid of this man...? |
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| 08:38.43 | hipitihop | Can someone tell me if it is possible to take a screen shot of a remote desktop session via ssh or the like ? |
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| 08:48.12 | khaleel5000 | hello, I have lenny, I want to extract somefiles from RAR archive, there are 22 files, each 100 mb (original 2.2 gb file was split into parts) |
| 08:48.26 | khaleel5000 | which program should I use ? |
| 08:48.35 | khaleel5000 | I tried ark but it doesnt do it |
| 08:48.46 | cahoot | unrar? |
| 08:49.48 | khaleel5000 | i use unrar -x -p 12345 filename.part01.rar but it doesnt do it |
| 08:49.48 | mhymn_ | khaleel5000: ark is able to that if you install the required tool |
| 08:49.53 | simonrvn | !tell khaleel5000 -about search |
| 08:50.02 | simonrvn | still need unrar |
| 08:50.05 | khaleel5000 | mhymn_: which tool? |
| 08:50.18 | mhymn_ | see above |
| 08:50.39 | khaleel5000 | I am running on UPS, i have to do it urgently |
| 08:50.47 | khaleel5000 | so I preferred asking rather than googling |
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| 08:51.16 | khaleel5000 | so if you can tell me right away it would be better for me considering the circumstances |
| 08:51.34 | simonrvn | WE JUST DID |
| 08:52.27 | rvalles | the problem there is not power I guess :P |
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| 08:53.10 | mhymn_ | or the power of lazyness |
| 08:54.35 | cahoot | the driver for the electric generator distributed as a rar? |
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| 09:01.45 | sjokkis | when will python 3.0 be in debian? |
| 09:03.30 | metaperl | sjokkis: debian stable, testing, unstable? |
| 09:03.30 | Python1320 | sjokkis, use your common sense. Etch = Never (not really), Lenny = As soon as it works flawlessly, sid = ASAP |
| 09:03.51 | metaperl | Python1320: why do you use code names for Debian like that |
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| 09:04.11 | Python1320 | metaperl, aren't they the same thing? |
| 09:04.24 | metaperl | Python1320: I think the code names change from time to time for some reason |
| 09:04.33 | metaperl | I remember there was Debian woody at some time |
| 09:04.37 | sjokkis | Python1320: ASAP would have been yesterday, but thanks for being a dick |
| 09:04.38 | metaperl | a potato at another time |
| 09:04.44 | Python1320 | sjokkis, sorry |
| 09:04.53 | mhymn_ | sjokkis: http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/ |
| 09:05.05 | sjokkis | mhymn_: thanks, dude |
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| 09:05.21 | mhymn_ | np, i'd recommend asking there ;) |
| 09:05.44 | mhymn_ | or viewing their archive |
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| 09:10.09 | ribasushi_ | hi, where/how do I change the answer given at debian installation time "what level of questions do you want asked on package installation" |
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| 09:18.51 | cahoot | ribasushi_: looking for dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
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| 09:19.00 | ribasushi_ | a-ha |
| 09:19.03 | ribasushi_ | cahoot++ |
| 09:19.45 | ribasushi_ | - control freak :D |
| 09:20.23 | orgthingy | . |
| 09:20.54 | ribasushi | and one more - how do I force a sshd rekey, without actually uninstalling it (I am logged via ssh) |
| 09:21.10 | ribasushi | inherited system, don't want to take chances |
| 09:21.25 | cahoot | recreate keys? |
| 09:22.11 | ribasushi | yes the rsa/dsa pairs |
| 09:22.22 | cahoot | ssh-keygen perhaps? |
| 09:22.40 | ribasushi | that's for users isn't it? I am asking the daemon ones |
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| 09:26.44 | slv | are there separate 32-bit and 64-bit versions of debian? |
| 09:26.52 | slv | i'm assuming so but figured i'd ask |
| 09:27.13 | orgthingy | slav : everything, debian even has PowerPC and SPARC ports |
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| 09:27.21 | orgthingy | *everything* (well, almost) |
| 09:27.43 | spersaud | anyone know how I can get teh amaranth theem in gnome 2.22 ? |
| 09:27.58 | spersaud | I have gnome-themes extras |
| 09:28.14 | orgthingy | spersaud : gnome-look.org probably ? |
| 09:28.15 | slv | awesome thanks orgthingy |
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| 09:28.35 | orgthingy | download the theme packages from the site you saw, then install |
| 09:29.53 | spersaud | orgthingy: it was in gnome 2.2 in etch |
| 09:29.57 | spersaud | not in lenny now |
| 09:30.54 | orgthingy | spersaud : yea, maybe its still in your system, if not then google for it, it must be somewhere online |
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| 09:45.04 | unbeatable | ls |
| 09:45.16 | mhymn_ | !ls |
| 09:45.16 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 09:45.54 | orgthingy | lol |
| 09:46.09 | ribasushi | !rm |
| 09:46.09 | dpkg | rm is, like, used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. |
| 09:46.12 | orgthingy | !cd C:\WINDOWS |
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| 09:46.18 | ribasushi | !rm -rf |
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| 09:48.04 | GhostlyDeath | How do I let X11 reconfigure itself? |
| 09:48.19 | lvh | GhostlyDeath: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 09:48.28 | GhostlyDeath | What package? |
| 09:48.31 | lvh | GhostlyDeath: you mean the sequence of dialog boxes you got when you first installed it? |
| 09:48.48 | GhostlyDeath | lvh: well, I just need a new /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:48.56 | lvh | GhostlyDeath: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:49.02 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
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| 10:06.45 | dutchfish | hi, after hours of fruitless testing i am stuck at the following errors (the x freeze problem) http://debian.pastebin.com/m66174431 |
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| 10:07.19 | dutchfish | wuch seams totally unrelated |
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| 10:31.55 | kblin | hi folks |
| 10:32.01 | ribasushi | how do I initialize a /dev/ directory? |
| 10:32.21 | ribasushi | previously udev had it mounted as a subdir of /dev/.static/dev now it's not there anymore |
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| 10:33.31 | kblin | I'm currently setting up debian-armel on a new box I got and it seems like IPv6 neighbour discovery is failing for other boxes unless the armel box actively connects to the other boxes using e.g. ICMP6 |
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| 10:35.09 | kblin | is this a known issue? |
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| 10:44.59 | Karl | Hi there |
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| 11:04.33 | DarkWizzard | hello |
| 11:04.43 | DarkWizzard | I have a pppoe connection set up |
| 11:04.46 | DarkWizzard | and |
| 11:04.54 | DarkWizzard | plog says it's connected |
| 11:04.58 | DarkWizzard | but when I do ping google.com |
| 11:05.02 | DarkWizzard | I get unknown host |
| 11:05.15 | DarkWizzard | and networkmanager 0.7 says that it's an unmanaged device |
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| 11:10.17 | dutchfish | hi, is there a debian way of doing this: http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu/index.php/Setting_a_Dynamic_Hostname_by_DNS ? |
| 11:11.25 | dutchfish | i meant is there a package out there already? |
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| 11:16.44 | peleg | I am using php on my Debian server, and I am trying to secure it now. Do you think #debian is a good place to ask about vulnerabilities of PHP code running on Debian? Do you know a better place to find out about it? |
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| 11:17.36 | polywaffle | who |
| 11:18.15 | peleg | who? |
| 11:18.17 | polywaffle | is remember here? |
| 11:18.28 | polywaffle | what is the command to see a list of users? |
| 11:18.42 | peleg | users ? |
| 11:18.59 | polywaffle | people logged into #Debian |
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| 11:19.45 | polywaffle | debian 4.0r5 won't work on my laptop |
| 11:19.51 | polywaffle | X doesn't work well |
| 11:19.55 | polywaffle | but lenny seems ok |
| 11:20.01 | polywaffle | so I am redownloading lenny |
| 11:20.04 | polywaffle | in GNOME form |
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| 11:20.32 | polywaffle | im in ubuntu intrepid at the moment |
| 11:20.39 | polywaffle | does ubuntu make debian devs angry? |
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| 11:20.56 | Neaai | why would it? |
| 11:21.10 | polywaffle | apparently they don't do upstream |
| 11:21.51 | Neaai | that only shows some lack of compassion me thinks. :p |
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| 11:30.58 | Neaai | no kvirc ? |
| 11:31.05 | polywaffle | no |
| 11:31.09 | polywaffle | we are in GNOME atm |
| 11:31.13 | polywaffle | is kvirc a kde app? |
| 11:31.47 | Karl | gotta fix X to run a garry's mod server on my debian server : x |
| 11:31.52 | Neaai | polywaffle: yes it is. I am in GNOME too, and getting kvirc will get some kde/qt libs and it will work like a charm. |
| 11:32.07 | polywaffle | i'm running off a liveusb atm |
| 11:32.09 | Karl | I've been googling and apt-gettin' |
| 11:32.12 | polywaffle | downloading an iso |
| 11:32.19 | polywaffle | so I can go into lenny |
| 11:32.29 | raboof | spamassassin's spamd seems to be taking lots of resources lately. anything changed there that could cause that? (on lenny) |
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| 11:41.12 | polywaffle | anyone use gentoo and amsn here? |
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| 11:45.28 | jogla | yes, of course we all do |
| 11:45.51 | jogla | Thats actually why this channel is named #debian |
| 11:47.39 | H2S04 | jogla, I never knew I ran gentoo... it all makes sense now. |
| 11:48.37 | dante_2core | maybe there's a debian release dubbed gentoo and y'all just don't know about it? :P |
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| 11:49.30 | dante_2core | and I actually have gentoo installed (the file manager) and amsn too. |
| 11:51.27 | peleg | If I install a package from .deb - can I remove it via aptitude after that? |
| 11:52.11 | H2S04 | sure why not? |
| 11:52.28 | peleg | ok, I wasn't sure if it'll appear there |
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| 11:52.58 | peleg | If I purge a package, then ALL of the files of that package should disappear? |
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| 11:53.09 | peleg | or still there might be leftovers? |
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| 11:54.38 | Skept | Hi, can someone point me to a guide where I can know why I must use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 11:55.14 | liable | !why aptitude |
| 11:55.15 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 11:55.41 | liable | \hmm, i thought that used to have a link in it |
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| 11:56.21 | superjet_busy | Skept: you may just stick to dpkg but apt/aptitude or else |
| 11:57.14 | Skept | Actually, I have read those readme. I cant understand how they are different. They look similar to me. I was looking for a tabular column like comparision or some much. |
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| 11:59.10 | Skept | But apt-ge has autoremove. Doesnt it? |
| 11:59.19 | superjet_busy | yes |
| 11:59.24 | ox1 | hi there |
| 12:00.19 | superjet_busy | apt-get build-dep/source works well, which I often use, so I prefer apt-get personally |
| 12:00.54 | ox1 | I have a general question about domain names. Please forgive me that I'm asking here. ... How much do you think a domain name like banana.com/banana.org/banana.info is worth? |
| 12:00.57 | Skept | Wokay |
| 12:01.26 | Skept | ox1: Depends upon the registrar, I think. |
| 12:01.40 | ox1 | I'm looking for a good domain name to start a rather large web project and I'm unsure how much I should pay for a parked domain. |
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| 12:02.37 | ox1 | Skept: Well I was actually not asking for opinions on the registrat, but rather what I should pay for a name like banana.com for example and how much less if it's a info |
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| 12:03.00 | ox1 | I'm talking about domains that currently have an owner. |
| 12:03.12 | ox1 | What's your experience |
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| 12:04.12 | ox1 | Would city.info be worth 1500$ for example? |
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| 12:05.20 | ox1 | I know this might be off topic for this chan, but I still thought I'd like to give it a try, because there are many in here now and there might be many who have experience in this area. |
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| 12:06.32 | Skept | It depends upon how much the current owner thinks it is worth. Mostly people just buy domains and park them. Buy a domain and hope someone would want it so badly that they would pay quite a sum for it. |
| 12:06.35 | ox1 | I'm definitely not a domain hunter. I'm a student looking for a cool name for a web project. |
| 12:07.59 | ox1 | Skep: yep, exaclty, that's the problem. But I'm unsure as buyer if it's really worth the price a owner wants for it. |
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| 12:09.01 | ox1 | actually I wrote to many overs before and they either don't want to sell it or want a really high price like 50'000$ or more. |
| 12:09.31 | ox1 | I also wonder if .info is much less worth as .com in general? |
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| 12:10.41 | ox1 | And I wonder about the future, if domains keep there worth or if it will raise or drop. |
| 12:11.06 | ox1 | I read that IANA is going to open .anything in the mid 2009 |
| 12:11.09 | Skept | I once read a quote somewhere, from bash, I think. Guy1 says "Girls are like domain names. All the good ones are taken." Guy2 says, "Dont worry, you'll find one in some exotic country/extension" |
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| 12:11.45 | ox1 | Skept: hehe, nice quote! |
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| 12:15.44 | Skept | I think if you are interesting in trading or worried about resale value of any domain you purchase, you should look for webmaster forums that specialize in online advertising. I think I have seen a forum once for porn. I dont remember the name though. |
| 12:15.53 | Skept | s/interesting/interested |
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| 12:23.48 | h725 | hello, where can one get older linux-image packages from (since the latest seems to break suspend on my notebook) |
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| 12:26.30 | liable | h725: snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:26.57 | h725 | thx |
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| 12:29.03 | h725 | liable: is there something similar for testing? (snapshot.debian.net seems to only contain the stable packets) |
| 12:29.11 | Ins|de | hello there, i'm trying to compile gspca-source, but it is giving me an error when running make about EXTRA_CFLAGS, can anyone help ? |
| 12:29.29 | liable | h725: it should have packages for sid and lenny too |
| 12:29.48 | h725 | hm latest linux-image is 2.6.24 -- lenny is at 2.6.26-1 afaik |
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| 12:31.51 | luckz | is there a decent free alternative to cpanel/plesk? |
| 12:32.32 | neoice | luckz: webmin? |
| 12:33.05 | neoice | there's also a version of it that specializes in virtual servers |
| 12:35.40 | peleg | do you know of a way to force removal of packages? I have a package that refuses to be removed/purged, and whenever I try I get an error code from dpkg |
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| 12:36.11 | luckz | is webmin not in the depo or why does 'apt-cache search webmin' not get me anything? |
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| 12:36.37 | liable | !webmin |
| 12:36.37 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 12:37.47 | peleg | I keep getting " subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
| 12:38.16 | liable | peleg: make the script set -x and see where it fails |
| 12:38.41 | peleg | liable, doing set -x in bash before running dpkg is good enough? |
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| 12:39.00 | peleg | hmm. probably not |
| 12:39.10 | liable | peleg: nope, you could do bash -x script though |
| 12:40.15 | peleg | but dpkg is binary |
| 12:40.38 | liable | yes, but the script is shell.. you can just run the script and see what it fails on |
| 12:40.54 | luckz | there are not enough 64-bit advantages to justify running that rather than regular x86 on a machine supposed to host game servers and similar proprietary things that aren't that 64-friendly, mh? |
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| 12:42.06 | tralala | luckz, hevy computing and big data processing benefits from 64 but it has to be well supported |
| 12:42.17 | tralala | heavy |
| 12:42.25 | liable | man |
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| 12:54.18 | jackweb | hello |
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| 12:54.32 | jackweb | how can I replace metacity to compiz for ever? (without running compiz --replace) |
| 12:55.01 | d-b | jackweb: put it in your gnome-session to do that on login i guess |
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| 12:55.11 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
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| 12:56.10 | jackweb | d-b: but it's too slow (metacity is running on the beginning, and then is changing to compiz) |
| 12:56.58 | luckz | how do I get a list of all packages? |
| 12:57.01 | luckz | (I have installed) |
| 12:58.06 | avu | aptitude search '~i' |
| 12:58.07 | jackweb | dpkg -l |
| 12:58.07 | dpkg | jackweb: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 12:58.31 | avu | jackweb, that allone also lists packages which have been removed but not purged |
| 12:58.39 | jackweb | dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 12:58.40 | dpkg | ii | grep ii 1.4-5 jackweb's private stamp collection |
| 12:58.40 | jackweb | :) |
| 12:58.54 | avu | that doesn't list packages on hold :) |
| 12:59.10 | avu | just use aptitude search '~i' ;) |
| 13:00.38 | jackweb | and how can I list only deleted, but not purged packages? |
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| 13:01.01 | avu | dpkg -l | grep '^rc' 8) |
| 13:01.01 | dpkg | ii | grep '^rc' 8) 1.3-12 avu's private porn collection |
| 13:01.07 | tralala | luckz, /msg dpkg installed packages |
| 13:01.10 | jackweb | thank you |
| 13:01.16 | avu | probably possible with aptitude too though |
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| 13:01.50 | avu | aptitude search '~c' |
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| 13:03.40 | luckz | thanks |
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| 13:04.19 | neoice | luckz: have you had any issues running game servers on debian? Left4Dead needed like THE bleeding edge |
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| 13:05.31 | luckz | neoice: I haven't tried in the last four years :) I just got a new server and I'm not going to install any daemons before I decide on 64 vs 32bit. is yours 64? |
| 13:05.42 | luckz | neoice: what particular bleeding edge stuff did you need, and what were your issues? |
| 13:05.49 | neoice | no, 32bit |
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| 13:06.16 | neoice | luckz: it wanted kernel .27 and glibc 2.8 |
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| 13:06.30 | neoice | neither of which are in sid even :/ |
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| 13:07.30 | toolz | Neaai around? |
| 13:07.45 | Neaai | toolz: yes |
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| 13:08.08 | toolz | Neaai, remember when you helped me with the debian gateway? well I have restarted it and now the other machinse do not have internet |
| 13:08.20 | toolz | and forward policy is set to ACCEPT |
| 13:08.36 | Neaai | toolz: and the ip forward activation ? |
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| 13:08.54 | toolz | where? the one in sysctl.conf you mean? |
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| 13:09.07 | toolz | net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 ? |
| 13:09.19 | Neaai | toolz: yes. Is that active ? |
| 13:09.22 | toolz | yes |
| 13:09.49 | toolz | but again I can ping only local addreses, on those computer and gateway's IPs only |
| 13:09.58 | toolz | cant ping .161 or outside, if you remember |
| 13:10.01 | Neaai | toolz: check with: cat cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 13:10.15 | toolz | 0:/ |
| 13:10.28 | toolz | how do I make it 1 even after reboot? |
| 13:11.23 | Neaai | toolz: the easiest is to add the line: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward at the file /etc/rc.local |
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| 13:12.19 | Neaai | toolz: the more debianish way is to use sysctl.conf |
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| 13:12.51 | toolz | well I have set it in sysctl.conf |
| 13:12.54 | toolz | uncommeted that line |
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| 13:14.31 | Neaai | toolz: you can use the other method. And you can activate it right now with echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 13:15.51 | toolz | Neaai, I did it |
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| 13:16.05 | toolz | also uncommented that line in sysctl.conf |
| 13:16.19 | toolz | and added the echo line in rc.local so it can activate by itsels after reboot |
| 13:16.19 | toolz | :D |
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| 13:17.09 | toolz | ty |
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| 13:17.45 | Neaai | toolz: you welcome :) |
| 13:18.00 | tralala | sysctl.conf is the right way to do it |
| 13:18.09 | tralala | and it will be activated on reboot |
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| 13:19.33 | Neaai | tralala: indeed. for some reason toolz said it didn't work for him though. |
| 13:19.54 | toolz | I activated it when we first discussed |
| 13:19.58 | toolz | and it didn't worked after reboot |
| 13:20.01 | toolz | no idea why |
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| 13:20.16 | tralala | is that etch? |
| 13:20.20 | toolz | yes |
| 13:20.23 | xota | anybody here can sync google calendar with iceowl? and iceowl with a mobile? I can do the first with the sunbird downloaded, but I like to use the repository iceowl, and the add-on doesn't work with it. Another solution? I only like to download the calendar and sync with my mobile, don't like desktop application |
| 13:20.37 | tralala | toolz, see /etc/network/options |
| 13:20.51 | toolz | no such file |
| 13:21.48 | tralala | uhm... maybe it's dropped since etch |
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| 13:22.46 | d-b | xota: try evolution. |
| 13:23.17 | xota | d-b I try with it and lenny, but no result. it works? |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | xota: why doesn't the addon work with iceowl ? |
| 13:24.02 | xota | abrotman: because the addon it's waiting for a 0.9, and repo iceowl is 0.8 |
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| 13:24.15 | abrotman | xota: unzip it .. change it .. repack it .. install it |
| 13:24.26 | Haris_ | Hello people |
| 13:24.26 | Haris_ | I read man page for dpkg-reconfigure. It doesn't give any clues on how I can convert an app with spread config files into one or what's its role in that |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | if it doesn't actually require anything from 0.9 .. it won't matter |
| 13:24.40 | xota | abrotman: repack the addon? or iceowl? |
| 13:24.52 | abrotman | the addon .. the XPI is a zip file |
| 13:24.53 | Neaai | toolz: in lenny, I have a readymade, commented line: #net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 which only needs to be uncommented to be active, but I can't say how it is in etch |
| 13:25.23 | toolz | no idea .. |
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| 13:26.00 | Haris_ | ah I see |
| 13:26.06 | Haris_ | it starts the config menu |
| 13:26.26 | toolz | Neaai, what should I set to reject al incoming ping requests |
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| 13:27.19 | Neaai | toolz: why would you want that? icmp trafffic is a good thing, unless you really know your box is being abused via icmp. |
| 13:27.40 | toolz | it actually is |
| 13:27.54 | toolz | also I'd like to allow only 5 connections at the same time from one IP address |
| 13:28.14 | toolz | there are some weird persons who open some programs which connect so many times till your machine crushes |
| 13:28.25 | d-b | Neaai: not really. because some one could use him to do a ddos on another person |
| 13:28.41 | toolz | 5 connections at the same time on any port, something like that, can I do it? |
| 13:29.02 | Neaai | toolz: then in sysctl.conf you want a line: net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all = 1 |
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| 13:29.46 | toolz | and if it doesn't work like the other one in sysctl.conf? |
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| 13:30.00 | Haris_ | found what it does |
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| 13:30.05 | Neaai | toolz: or via the other method: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all (again to make it persistent on reboots, that is needed in /etc/rc.local ) |
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| 13:30.42 | toolz | ok Neaai, ty, what about the last thing I'd like to do |
| 13:30.44 | toolz | can I do it? |
| 13:30.50 | toolz | 5 connections at the same time on any port, something like that, can I do it? |
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| 13:30.56 | toolz | max 5 |
| 13:31.11 | xingu | toolz: preventing your system from responding to icmp != preventing your box from being sent it |
| 13:31.32 | toolz | xingu, what does that mean exactly |
| 13:31.45 | Neaai | toolz: I'll have to dig around about that. Haven't had the need for such a thing before. |
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| 13:32.17 | toolz | Neaai, there are som programs, once you open it it opens thousands of connections to the box |
| 13:32.20 | toolz | some |
| 13:32.20 | cahoot | http://linuxgazette.net/108/odonovan.html? tool |
| 13:32.23 | xingu | toolz: it means that even if you cripple your system, this won't directly prevent the remote end from sending it |
| 13:32.24 | Neaai | toolz: it means that the box receives the ping, but doesn't reply as you have told it so. |
| 13:32.47 | toolz | I see |
| 13:33.13 | toolz | ok at least when they try to massively ping, they try manually and see if it responds, maybe they'll stop it if no response is received :D |
| 13:33.29 | toolz | it is an option... but the major thing is that one with the connections opened |
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| 13:34.00 | Neaai | toolz: I think there's a way to block echo requests (incoming ping) via iptables. Let me check. |
| 13:34.12 | toolz | ok Neaai, thanks |
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| 13:35.22 | xota | ok abrotman I think that it works ;) thx |
| 13:35.25 | StyXman | I'm debugging a jabber client. I need to simulate a server problem, so the connection fails. I thought of applying a iptables rule in the router to drop packages to the ip:port of the server. would it work after the client is connected? |
| 13:35.43 | WolvBite | hey all. Is Debian SID stable enough to run an office pc? No heavy graphics or ripping.. just office applications. |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | xota: enjoy |
| 13:35.58 | abrotman | xota: just don't blame me if it blows up! :) |
| 13:36.30 | xota | lol, np, it's my responsability |
| 13:36.44 | StyXman | WolvBite: right now yes, because is close enough to testing, but in general, I wouls tick to testing |
| 13:37.11 | StyXman | would* |
| 13:37.11 | WolvBite | what is the difference between testing and sid |
| 13:37.23 | abrotman | WolvBite: one is testing, the other is unstable |
| 13:37.38 | Neaai | toolz: iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -s ! A.B.C.D/F -j DROP |
| 13:37.44 | WolvBite | ok. so testing is not the same as lenny |
| 13:37.49 | WolvBite | or sid |
| 13:37.52 | abrotman | yes, testing is currently lenny |
| 13:37.58 | abrotman | sid is always unstable |
| 13:38.03 | abrotman | etch is currently stable |
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| 13:38.14 | StyXman | WolvBite: sid is, you know, unstable :) from time to time a little part of it breaks for a couple of days until it gets repaired. testing is more stable by definition :) |
| 13:38.28 | Neaai | toolz: A.B.C.D/F is the network address and mask of your box. You will be able to ping the box from any host in that network, but not from anywhere else. |
| 13:38.41 | WolvBite | ok cool. but in your opinion sid is stable enough to run in an office environment |
| 13:38.46 | abrotman | no |
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| 13:39.07 | toolz | Neaai, that is ok |
| 13:39.07 | WolvBite | oh ok. guess I'll stick to lenny then |
| 13:39.08 | cahoot | like 'The Office' ? |
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| 13:39.25 | StyXman | WolvBite: as an office is a critical place, where hours not worked are wasted hours, I say no |
| 13:39.34 | abrotman | WolvBite: if you depend on your machine to work to get your work done and get paid, you'd do better to stick to stable for your workstaotin |
| 13:39.43 | abrotman | workstation |
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| 13:39.52 | Neaai | toolz: if you'll want to just block ping and that's it, then remove "-s ! A.B.C.D/F" from the previous line |
| 13:39.54 | WolvBite | thanks for the help, i value your guys opinion. aprreciate it |
| 13:40.12 | toolz | k |
| 13:40.12 | WolvBite | take care till another day |
| 13:41.10 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, just a question about why the Debian installer (or any installer in general) asks for a hostname and domain name. Isn't it up to the DNS server to have records that associate an hostname/domain with a machine, why would you bother defining it on the "local" machine when it has no bearing? |
| 13:41.35 | toolz | Neaai, is this ok? DROP icmp -- !86.106.109.128/25 anywhere icmp echo-request |
| 13:42.08 | Neaai | toolz: that's the output of iptables -L ? |
| 13:42.16 | toolz | yes |
| 13:42.18 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: the DNS is for people looking for you .. you can still call it whatever you want |
| 13:42.27 | Neaai | toolz: seems good to me |
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| 13:43.10 | toolz | k Neaai, thank you very much |
| 13:43.23 | toolz | what about the last thing |
| 13:43.31 | toolz | 5 max connections at the same time from any IP on any port? |
| 13:43.37 | toolz | or lets say 10 |
| 13:43.42 | toolz | as an example |
| 13:43.43 | cahoot | http://linuxgazette.net/108/odonovan.html? toolz |
| 13:43.47 | toolz | ok cahoot |
| 13:44.17 | toolz | this 3. Restricting the Number of Connections with limit and iplimit* ? |
| 13:44.20 | d-b | toolz: why ? |
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| 13:44.32 | d-b | there are situations where programs might/ will want more than 5 |
| 13:44.53 | toolz | d-b, there are users who open some programs.. which open multiple connections on my machine on different ports |
| 13:44.59 | toolz | and sometimes it even crashes |
| 13:45.05 | toolz | because there are so many.. |
| 13:45.12 | cahoot | toolz: well from your description it looked relevant to me |
| 13:45.29 | Neaai | toolz: when you say so many is that 10, 100, or 100000 ? |
| 13:45.39 | toolz | 100000+ |
| 13:46.04 | toolz | obviously.. if it make a core 2 duo e8400 640GB, 2GB of ram crash |
| 13:46.15 | toolz | makes |
| 13:46.19 | toolz | or whatever :P |
| 13:46.23 | Neaai | toolz: then at least, you put the limit to 300 and see if you'll need to change that after some time, after you've kept an eye on how the system behaves. |
| 13:46.38 | toolz | yeah I'll try 300 |
| 13:47.22 | toolz | cahoot, on that example it is mentioned only for http |
| 13:47.45 | toolz | I'd like for all ports |
| 13:47.51 | Neaai | toolz: it all depends on the ports and range |
| 13:48.15 | toolz | -A FORWARD -m state --state NEW -p tcp -m multiport --dport http,https -o eth0 -i eth1 \ |
| 13:48.16 | d-b | toolz: use ip_conntrack max |
| 13:48.16 | toolz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.26 | d-b | set that to be like 400 or so should make it all good |
| 13:48.46 | Neaai | toolz: use something like --dport 1:65000 |
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| 13:50.23 | toolz | whats with the ip_conntrack |
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| 13:50.39 | toolz | what does it do exactly? |
| 13:51.25 | Neaai | toolz: keeps track of the active connections, me thinks. |
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| 13:51.38 | SparFux | can I do dri with nvidia open source drivers? |
| 13:51.46 | toolz | yeah from its name you can think about that |
| 13:51.47 | abrotman | depends on the card |
| 13:51.51 | toolz | so how do I activate it |
| 13:52.04 | SparFux | abrotman: nvidia 8600 GT |
| 13:52.08 | d-b | toolz: set it ip_conntrack_max |
| 13:52.21 | abrotman | SparFux: no |
| 13:52.36 | SparFux | that's bad. So I bought the wrong card. |
| 13:52.36 | toolz | d-b, how do I set it? |
| 13:53.11 | abrotman | you mean .. anything from nvidia ... |
| 13:53.23 | Neaai | toolz: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_max |
| 13:53.28 | Neaai | oopps.. |
| 13:53.33 | d-b | Neaai: .... more than 1 |
| 13:53.37 | Neaai | replace 1 with the desired number |
| 13:53.41 | toolz | 400 will be ok? |
| 13:53.41 | Neaai | yea, sorry for that |
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| 13:53.51 | SparFux | abrotman: no, I bought the 8600 gt as I read docs and thought it would be well supported by open source drivers. |
| 13:54.03 | abrotman | SparFux: currently, if you want open source DRI .. your best bet is intel or ATI .. nvidia doesn't care about its users |
| 13:54.18 | SparFux | crap! |
| 13:54.30 | abrotman | SparFux: for 2d the 8600 would probably work .. but not DRI/3d |
| 13:54.30 | Neaai | toolz: try with 400 and see how it goes. Also, add the line to /etc/rc.local to make that persistent across reboots. |
| 13:54.34 | toolz | -bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_max: No such file or directory |
| 13:54.41 | toolz | doesn't seem to be there |
| 13:54.50 | d-b | SparFux: toolz you might need to modprobe something... |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | SparFux: man nv .. it shows the 8xxx as supported for that driver |
| 13:55.02 | d-b | sorry toolz not SparFux |
| 13:55.21 | SparFux | abrotman: yeah, that's what I saw. But of course you need dri, or otherwise performance sucks. |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | yes, well .. |
| 13:55.43 | abrotman | either use the binary crap drivers, or get a new card |
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| 13:56.26 | xand | 8600GT works fine with the nvidia driver c.c |
| 13:56.39 | toolz | Neaai, ip_conntrack_max doesn't seem to exist here |
| 13:56.49 | SparFux | I think I will use the binary crap. Anyway, perhaps even if you only use open source drivers, such a video card could be a security issue. Can't it in hardware maniuplate and overwrite you ram? I mean, it's the system, isn't it? |
| 13:57.27 | xand | open source software is only ever a security issue if it's written badly. |
| 13:57.34 | Neaai | toolz: try to: modprobe ip_conntrack |
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| 13:57.56 | xand | (with holes that would be there if it were closed, just less easy to find) |
| 13:58.06 | toolz | done Neaai |
| 13:58.37 | toolz | ipconntrack_max is currently: 65536 |
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| 13:58.52 | Neaai | toolz: and issue the command again to set it as desired. |
| 13:59.26 | toolz | Neaai, ok so this shouldn't allow more than 400 connections from one user? or? 400 connections from everyone?! |
| 13:59.30 | shastry | hi, DSA-1681updated 2.6.24 |
| 13:59.37 | shastry | will there be an update for 2.6.18 too? |
| 13:59.39 | SparFux | LOL: #504626 - [nvidia-glx] Quietly drops support for several chipset |
| 13:59.56 | abrotman | shastry: it may have already happened or those CVEs may not affect .18 |
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| 14:00.12 | Neaai | toolz: as I know it, from one user |
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| 14:00.18 | shastry | oh ok |
| 14:00.21 | shastry | thanks abrotman |
| 14:00.27 | Neaai | toolz: but you better confirm this. |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | !tell shastry about tracker of doom |
| 14:00.38 | toolz | ok |
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| 14:01.07 | Neaai | toolz: you need to make persistent across reboots the module ip_conntrack loading as well. |
| 14:01.34 | toolz | I should add in rc.local modprobe ip_conntrack ? |
| 14:01.42 | Neaai | toolz: so add "ip_conntrack" to the end of /etc/modules |
| 14:01.47 | toolz | ah I see |
| 14:02.17 | SparFux | What if I use the framebuffer device? Won't this give good accelartion? |
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| 14:02.28 | toolz | hmm, I have just disconnected from the machine and I cannot login anymore, lol |
| 14:02.31 | toolz | lies, I can |
| 14:02.35 | toolz | sorry. |
| 14:02.41 | toolz | typo |
| 14:02.53 | Neaai | toolz: you use the /etc/rc.local only when the other ways don't work or are unknown to you, it's the "so at least like this works" way. |
| 14:03.04 | toolz | k |
| 14:03.42 | toolz | I see that ping times out |
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| 14:03.44 | toolz | thats good |
| 14:04.27 | Neaai | toolz: another example that linux works. hehe :) |
| 14:04.58 | shastry | abrotman: the 2.6.18 package is vulnerable to the inotify bug. |
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| 14:05.55 | bluevapour_ | any body able to help me, it basically says no display on my monitor whenever i close Xserver, even through runlevel, or gdm stop or ctrl alt f1, the term was working before that tho |
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| 14:06.20 | toolz | yeah Neaai |
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| 14:06.23 | toolz | thanks for your help! |
| 14:06.24 | toolz | :) |
| 14:06.32 | bluevapour_ | its really getting to me |
| 14:06.47 | Neaai | toolz: you're welcome |
| 14:09.03 | Neaai | bluevapour_: if you shutdown X it's normal not to have a display. That's what X provides, the display. |
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| 14:09.21 | bluevapour_ | Yeah Neaai, but i dont have a terminal after |
| 14:09.32 | proleone | hey all, hope everyone is well |
| 14:09.33 | bluevapour_ | i want linux without the xserver so i can install nvidia |
| 14:09.55 | toolz | Neaai, will: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport http -m iplimit --iplimit-above 5 -j DROP |
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| 14:10.12 | toolz | limit 5 connections at once for everyone on http? |
| 14:10.41 | proleone | im doing a fresh debian install 4.0r5 etchnhalf install, installing onto a lsi sas controller, install all goes smooth, then when i get to the cleaning up phase after the package installations it just hangs... any ideas what i could do/try? |
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| 14:10.50 | toolz | max 5 connections I mean |
| 14:10.55 | Neaai | toolz: normally yes, it would. |
| 14:11.39 | Neaai | bluevapour_: so when you shutdown X, you can't connect from the tty console ? |
| 14:11.52 | toolz | Neaai, err: iptables v1.3.6: Couldn't load match `iplimit':/lib/iptables/libipt_iplimit.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:12.00 | Neaai | bluevapour_: s/connect/login |
| 14:12.28 | Neaai | toolz: probably another module is needed to be loaded. |
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| 14:14.47 | toolz | Neaai, do you know which one? |
| 14:15.13 | Neaai | toolz: I'm looking for it. What kernel are you using ? (uname -r) |
| 14:15.24 | toolz | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 14:16.07 | SparFux | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-406d3dad648f663d3a578addb21f289fd5daa658 says, there is just no 3D acceleration with nvidia cards. But that there even is no DRI, without dri speed impact is huge! |
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| 14:20.34 | Neaai | Shouldn't there be a module named "ipt_iplimit" ? |
| 14:20.55 | Neaai | I can't seem to find it. |
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| 14:27.58 | abrotman | shastry: so i'd guess it is coming then |
| 14:28.15 | shastry | ok! |
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| 14:28.25 | abrotman | shastry: but the inotify is local only ? |
| 14:28.30 | shastry | yes |
| 14:28.46 | Neaai | How to install the iplimit module of iptables? I can't find it. |
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| 14:29.01 | shastry | abrotman: there are some other bugs too... |
| 14:29.15 | bluevapour_ | Neaai yeah basically i get no terminal after killing xserver |
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| 14:29.25 | anddam | hello |
| 14:29.44 | Neaai | bluevapour_: but can you login at the tty text console ? |
| 14:30.06 | bluevapour_ | I cant see it lol |
| 14:30.09 | bluevapour_ | It just says, no signal on monitor |
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| 14:30.17 | bluevapour_ | so i have a blank screen |
| 14:30.43 | Neaai | bluevapour_: try to press alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f2 and see what you get |
| 14:31.12 | abrotman | shastry: yes, but IIRC only one of the .24 bugs was really severe |
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| 14:31.58 | shastry | abrotman: yes, thats true. so if it's not severe, they'll be fixed on next update (i.e. on next severe bug) ? |
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| 14:32.32 | abrotman | shastry: i'd guess soon-ish |
| 14:32.58 | shastry | ok cool. thanks! |
| 14:33.26 | Neaai | bluevapour_: and also, you shutdown X/gdm not from within it. First switch to a text console and shutdown gdm/X from there. |
| 14:34.01 | peleg | My friend tries to ping (yahoo) and gets "Destanation Net Unreachable". His computer (Debian box) is connected to the same router as a windows machine that surfs the internet well. I would like to call to him and try to help him; do you have any few basic suggestions that I should check with him? |
| 14:34.27 | Neaai | peleg: can he reach the gateway at all? |
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| 14:34.40 | peleg | Neaai, he can ping the router. |
| 14:34.48 | abrotman | peleg: is there a pppoeconf setup ? |
| 14:34.57 | abrotman | peleg: can he ping by IP? |
| 14:35.07 | abrotman | do DNS queries work ? |
| 14:35.11 | peleg | abrotman, what is it? (pppoeconf) |
| 14:35.18 | peleg | abrotman, he can't ping by IP |
| 14:35.19 | abrotman | peleg: google |
| 14:35.25 | peleg | ok |
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| 14:35.38 | peleg | abrotman, DNS queries do not work |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | peleg: roughly, does he need a username/password to get online ? |
| 14:35.53 | abrotman | peleg: sounds like the network setup is messed up, make sure the gateway is correct |
| 14:36.07 | peleg | abrotman, I don't think so, but if so, than the router does it (successfully) |
| 14:36.21 | abrotman | you can check with route -n |
| 14:36.38 | peleg | abrotman, what should it return? |
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| 14:37.26 | Neaai | peleg: from the windows machine in the same lan that you said works, try a traceroute and then from the linux box see if you can reach those hops one after the other and see where it fails. |
| 14:38.05 | abrotman | i have no idea, i'm not on his network |
| 14:38.05 | abrotman | peleg: ^^ |
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| 14:38.25 | peleg | Neaai, good idea, thanks |
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| 14:38.32 | TiMiDo | hey can someone help me I'm getting error while installing nvidia. via m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 14:38.32 | peleg | abrotman, ok, thanks. I'll talk to him, and maybe I'll come back with some more questions |
| 14:38.32 | TiMiDo | can someone help me out |
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| 14:38.34 | proleone | ah i love a good old fashion netsplit |
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| 14:42.03 | giacus | hello |
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| 14:44.43 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:45.03 | liable | dpkg: wake up! |
| 14:45.03 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
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| 14:45.16 | liable | dpkg: stop being a goddam slacker then! |
| 14:45.17 | dpkg | liable: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 14:45.51 | noorul | dpkg:go to bed |
| 14:45.51 | dpkg | (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go to bed, go to bed, just damn go. Home. |
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| 14:46.30 | Neaai | lol |
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| 14:47.22 | d-b | yum netsplits |
| 14:47.27 | liable | you eat 'em? |
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| 14:48.50 | Neaai | it could be because dpkg has learned how to dream, this netsplit bussiness ? |
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| 14:50.54 | smacnay | is the preferred gnupg version gnupg2 or just plain gnupg ? |
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| 14:52.30 | luckz | does anybody here have some experience with virtualmin? |
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| 14:53.31 | luckz | I'm mainly wondering which of the 'update' features in the web interface are safe and sensible to use and whether I want to use the webmin part to create a 'new server' or the virtualmin part for a 'new virtual server' for my setup. |
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| 14:53.48 | Vorbote | smacnay: gnupg1 |
| 14:54.18 | luckz | basically I have A.tld, B.tld, C.tld domains and want http & mail for those. then, I'd like to have a domain or so owned by somebody else, and last but not least if possible some X.hosted.A.tld subdomains for other people. |
| 14:54.44 | seldon | smacnay: gnupg considers 2.0.9 the 'unstable development version,' so unless you need any of its features, stick with gnupg 1. |
| 14:55.14 | smacnay | Vorbote: thanks - I am trying to troubleshoot Evolution encryption problems with gnupg |
| 14:55.33 | smacnay | seldon: thanks for the info - no, all I need is simple encryption/decryption stuff. |
| 14:56.37 | Vorbote | smacnay: evolution's gpg key handling broke sometime in GNOME 2.18 and it is still broken (even in 2.24) :-( |
| 14:57.44 | tralala | evolution's idea is broken so the fact that the implementation is broken as well should come as a surprise |
| 14:57.53 | tralala | shouldn't |
| 14:58.45 | Vorbote | let's hope the devs come to their senses and reuse Seahorse's backend... |
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| 15:04.42 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 15:04.42 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 15:04.54 | tralala | oops |
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| 15:06.00 | smacnay | Vorbote: thanks - that saves me a lot of time digging for answers. |
| 15:06.48 | smacnay | Makes me wonder about switching to icedove + enigmail. |
| 15:07.06 | smacnay | Vorbote: except that Evolution is a nice app. |
| 15:07.46 | giacus | hey guys, how to block a package in synaptic ? |
| 15:08.01 | Vorbote | smacnay: thunderbird is fine. Another choice is claws-mail |
| 15:08.07 | smacnay | giacus: there should a setting to put it on hold. |
| 15:08.14 | giacus | I just compiled my how package, but synaptic want to replace it anytime.. |
| 15:08.21 | smacnay | Vorbote: I do like the calendar integration as well. |
| 15:08.37 | giacus | smacnay: it seems do not work :( |
| 15:08.52 | smacnay | Vorbote: I tried claws some time ago and came away a little confused. |
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| 15:09.20 | smacnay | Vorbote: and the mailbox format was strange - I had no luck using the mbox plugin. |
| 15:10.09 | funyun | i followed a tutorial which told me to do "sudo apt-get install xorg kde-core xorg-dev ibqt3-mt-dev gcc-c++ kdelibs4-dev". that installed a lot of stuff (about 10 minutes worth). and now my server is extremely laggy. when i typ "top" there are a lot of processes running as root that i don't remember being there before. is that what's causing the lag? how can i fix this? |
| 15:10.25 | Vorbote | smacnay: But you can use lightning with thunderbird (I mean icedove and whaterver it is that the extension is called in the distro this days... :-)).... Yes, claws has its idiosyncrasies. It uses MH as default format, which appeals to the old-skooler in me ;-) |
| 15:10.55 | smacnay | Vorbote: thanks - I will read up on it. I still like Mutt... |
| 15:11.15 | smacnay | But it doesn't "integrate" as well. And I am getting lazy. |
| 15:11.38 | Vorbote | Another victim of a Howto-Forge tutorial? |
| 15:12.29 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 15:12.30 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 15:12.32 | Vorbote | smacnay: Agreed. Evo would be the ideal choice. Have you tried Balsa? Not sure if it integrates GPG support though. |
| 15:12.35 | abrotman | funyun: i told you two days ago .. uninstall xorg .. your server doesn't need it |
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| 15:12.49 | stoned | Good morning |
| 15:12.56 | stoned | whats going on in the world of #debian |
| 15:13.05 | Neaai | stoned: netsplits |
| 15:13.32 | d-b | try duplicity |
| 15:13.34 | smacnay | Vorbote: yes, also some time ago. However, I do like the notion that icedove/thunderbird can be ported cross-platform... and it does have some nice plugins. |
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| 15:14.31 | Vorbote | smacnay: Yes, it is nice to be able to move your mailboxes around without modifications, although using LDIF as exchange format for addressbooks can give you pain sometimes. |
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| 15:14.42 | funyun | abrotman: yes. remember i told you i did that. somebody was helping me but he logged off. he told me to install htop, which i did. then he said he'll tell me what i should kill/delete but he then left. can you help me? |
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| 15:15.10 | abrotman | yes, uninstall xorg |
| 15:15.21 | abrotman | funyun: why does your server require X/KDE ? |
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| 15:15.54 | funyun | abrotman: i did sudo apt-get remove xorg. is it not gone? |
| 15:15.56 | liable | you cant administer a server from the cli! how do you look in folders! |
| 15:16.08 | stoned | funyun, probably not entirely |
| 15:16.18 | smacnay | Vorbote: is icedove ldif? |
| 15:16.19 | funyun | how do i completely remove it? |
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| 15:16.29 | stoned | hm |
| 15:16.33 | abrotman | funyun: which version of debian ? |
| 15:16.38 | stoned | apt-get --purge remove xserver* |
| 15:16.41 | funyun | lenny |
| 15:16.46 | funyun | 4.0 i think |
| 15:16.57 | stoned | thats etch |
| 15:16.59 | smacnay | Vorbote: OR... I could go to online mail only... (not really ready to go there yet). |
| 15:17.03 | stoned | lenny is to b 5.0 |
| 15:17.05 | stoned | be* |
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| 15:17.11 | Vorbote | smacnay: nope. icedove uses LDIF (the LDAP data exchange format) as export format for addressbooks and other related data. |
| 15:17.11 | funyun | well ya 5.0 then |
| 15:17.38 | Vorbote | smacnay: I'd do it myself if Prism wasn't so darned broken in Iceweasel :-) |
| 15:17.58 | smacnay | Vorbote: prsim? Not familiar with that. |
| 15:18.10 | abrotman | funyun: apt-get remove x11-common .. see if that gets rid of most of it |
| 15:18.21 | smacnay | Vorbote: thanks for the chat - I must relinquish the computer to my daughter. |
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| 15:18.36 | stoned | heh |
| 15:18.40 | stoned | kids |
| 15:18.47 | smacnay | yes, they grow on you. |
| 15:18.50 | Vorbote | smacnay: Have a good day! |
| 15:18.50 | stoned | :) |
| 15:18.59 | smacnay | Vorbote: you too. |
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| 15:19.13 | smacnay | could wait for gnome to fix gpg support. |
| 15:19.27 | stoned | can't wait for monday' |
| 15:19.33 | stoned | its Eid! |
| 15:19.37 | stoned | :D money and presents |
| 15:19.42 | funyun | abrotman: that's also removing most of what i need. like iceweasel, fluxbox ect. what all does it get rid of? |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | you need those on a server? |
| 15:20.00 | stoned | plus my mom's in new york right now too visiting meaning I get even more money and presents |
| 15:20.11 | stoned | funyun, you don't need gui apps on a server |
| 15:20.12 | funyun | ya, i do |
| 15:20.14 | stoned | why? |
| 15:20.18 | stoned | please explain |
| 15:20.56 | themill | abrotman: ummm why do you need iceweasel on a server? |
| 15:21.04 | stoned | themill, wrong guy |
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| 15:21.08 | themill | err.... funyun^^ |
| 15:21.11 | stoned | :) |
| 15:21.19 | abrotman | themill: i don't .. i use IE on my servers.. jeez |
| 15:21.20 | tralala | because he hates security |
| 15:21.25 | stoned | HAHAHA |
| 15:21.26 | themill | abrotman: ahh of course! |
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| 15:21.34 | stoned | crazy |
| 15:21.57 | stoned | abrotman, see if frostedweb.com works in IE |
| 15:22.14 | abrotman | uh .. |
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| 15:23.52 | stoned | dude I'm getting 30k/s from osuosl |
| 15:23.56 | stoned | wtf is going on |
| 15:24.48 | stoned | and openoffice was just updated 2 days ago damn I gotta dl another 200mb now |
| 15:24.48 | stoned | wtf |
| 15:25.07 | Vorbote | install mtr.tiny and check the culprit |
| 15:25.29 | funyun | abrotman: okay, i did that. xorg is gone but it's still extremely laggy |
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| 15:25.51 | abrotman | funyun: if you run top .. what is taking the CPU and/or RAM ? |
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| 15:26.31 | stoned | hm there is a OOo 3 |
| 15:26.52 | stoned | and sid has 2? |
| 15:26.54 | stoned | !! |
| 15:26.54 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 15:26.58 | stoned | stfu dpkg |
| 15:27.02 | funyun | abrotman: cpu and mem all have either 0.0 or 0.1 |
| 15:27.17 | d-b | in sid yeah |
| 15:27.23 | abrotman | funyun: did you sort by MEM usage ? |
| 15:27.31 | abrotman | !tell funyun about am i swapping |
| 15:27.32 | stoned | judd, versions openoffice.org-core |
| 15:27.33 | judd | stoned: openoffice.org-core -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-12 sid: 1:2.4.1-13 experimental: 1:3.0.0-5 |
| 15:27.39 | stoned | ahh experimental |
| 15:27.44 | stoned | sweet |
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| 15:28.12 | funyun | abrotman: how do i do that? |
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| 15:28.33 | abrotman | funyun: press 'm' |
| 15:29.10 | funyun | abrotman: 0.0 |
| 15:29.18 | stoned | is there any kind of a debian resource that sends free cds to people? |
| 15:29.24 | stoned | kinda like ubuntu shipit |
| 15:29.46 | peleg | abrotman, this is the result of my friend's route -n: http://paste.freeallweb.org/86 . The ip of his router is 10.0.0.138, and he can ping it well enough. Should I check now the tracepaths ? |
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| 15:29.59 | Paivakil | stoned: nope |
| 15:30.04 | stoned | Lets start one |
| 15:30.20 | abrotman | peleg: can we get 'ifconfig -a' output ? |
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| 15:30.37 | shastry | dpkg: sources.list |
| 15:30.37 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 15:30.40 | funyun | abrotman: 0.0 is the first on the list |
| 15:30.49 | stoned | shastry, /msg dpkg |
| 15:30.50 | peleg | abrotman, I will call him now and ask. thanks for your help. |
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| 15:31.12 | shastry | stoned: thanks |
| 15:31.14 | abrotman | funyun: is X still running ? |
| 15:31.42 | stoned | shastry, /msg dpkg dpkg.web.search |
| 15:31.45 | stoned | shastry, very useful |
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| 15:32.30 | abrotman | funyun: can you pastebin the output of top -n 1 ? |
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| 15:34.15 | funyun | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1277988 |
| 15:34.47 | sergiu | hi. how do i now, what debian realise i use? Testing or stable ..> |
| 15:34.48 | sergiu | ? |
| 15:35.02 | asg | sergiu: /etc/debian_version |
| 15:35.25 | sergiu | Permission denied |
| 15:35.35 | asg | sergiu: it's a file, read it |
| 15:36.06 | sergiu | 4.0 |
| 15:36.06 | sergiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.13 | asg | then stable |
| 15:36.17 | abrotman | funyun: top -b -n 1 > /tmp/foo .. paste that file |
| 15:36.44 | sergiu | asg , then what repository i should use for stable debian, deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free ? |
| 15:36.46 | onetinsoldier | anyone here installed kde 4.1.3 with kdm and is able to get into kwin? kdm starts up, with a complaint though, and then doesn't want to let me into kde(kwin). |
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| 15:36.55 | sergiu | ) |
| 15:37.01 | abrotman | sergiu: sarge is no longer supported |
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| 15:37.09 | sergiu | aa |
| 15:37.13 | sergiu | understood |
| 15:37.24 | pif | unless you like very old ladies |
| 15:37.43 | asg | pif: if that's the case, you want 'bo' |
| 15:37.45 | jelly-home | sergiu: replace "sarge" with "etch" in that line to get security updates for current stable |
| 15:37.55 | funyun | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1277998 |
| 15:38.01 | fender | hi all |
| 15:38.21 | pif | I think I dated 'bo' in 1995 |
| 15:38.32 | asg | !bo |
| 15:38.32 | dpkg | from memory, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 15:38.49 | pif | and before that? |
| 15:39.06 | themill | dpkg: tell pif about release history |
| 15:39.20 | pif | of course I never use released debians, only unstable |
| 15:39.46 | stoned | thats what I'm talking about |
| 15:39.52 | stoned | sign of true steel balls |
| 15:39.56 | stoned | word homie |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | funyun: so what makes you think it is laggy ? |
| 15:40.15 | sergiu | sorry , is this good repository for etch ? deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:40.15 | sergiu | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:40.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:40.28 | abrotman | !tell sergiu about sources.list |
| 15:40.32 | stoned | if I didn't accidentally login to the wrong machine and reinstalled my sid, I would be able to say I've had sid on mymachine for 8 years |
| 15:40.52 | pif | atta boy |
| 15:40.54 | stoned | but that was a stupid drunk mistake i dont' count it, so yes I've had sid for 8 years on on emachine, not counting the stupid reinstall |
| 15:41.31 | pif | using sid increases your sperm count |
| 15:41.45 | funyun | abrotman: if i vnc into it everything takes about 20x the time it used to take to load. when i type in terminal it's super laggy. basically everything takes much longer |
| 15:41.54 | stoned | well, thats far fetched and way weird |
| 15:41.58 | stoned | not funny |
| 15:42.13 | abrotman | funyun: that's a really bad measure ... VNC is not the fastest thing int he world |
| 15:42.15 | stoned | I don't condone sid usage but damn man |
| 15:42.21 | stoned | it is a great fucking product |
| 15:42.32 | stoned | its more stable then some of those sid based distros out there |
| 15:42.38 | funyun | abrotman: but it was before i did what i did |
| 15:42.54 | abrotman | funyun: you mean before you installed KDE? |
| 15:43.02 | funyun | abrotman: yes |
| 15:43.22 | abrotman | funyun: did you remove all the kde bits also ? |
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| 15:43.31 | abrotman | you can probably remove avahi too |
| 15:44.04 | funyun | abrotman: how do i remove all of kde? |
| 15:44.13 | abrotman | !tell funyun about remove kde |
| 15:44.21 | stoned | I just tried Ajuntu IDE it won't even start |
| 15:44.30 | stoned | bugs not documented so I guess this si a bug |
| 15:44.34 | stoned | I just updated sid this morning |
| 15:44.41 | funyun | abrotman: E: Couldn't find package avahi |
| 15:44.47 | stoned | I got no console output either just nothing... probably strace it |
| 15:44.57 | abrotman | funyun: it's called something else .. dpkg -l *avahi* |
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| 15:46.30 | funyun | abrotman: remove all of those |
| 15:46.43 | abrotman | do you need them ? |
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| 15:46.54 | funyun | abrotman: what are they? |
| 15:47.21 | abrotman | !avahi |
| 15:47.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. |
| 15:47.45 | newsense | someone gave me a url to a site with a dropdown of wireless adapter manufacturers and their adapters with linux drivers, anyone ? |
| 15:48.14 | newsense | had it bookmarked at one time |
| 15:48.19 | abrotman | newsense: there's a decent summary on wikipedia |
| 15:48.23 | abrotman | newsense: or ask #wireless |
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| 15:48.50 | newsense | cool nice to see ya i havent been around in a long time, computer got stolen |
| 15:48.51 | funyun | abrotman: removing this won't disconnect my server or anything will it/ |
| 15:49.00 | abrotman | hope not! |
| 15:49.18 | abrotman | didn't seem to bother you when you were installing all sorts of random X junk |
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| 15:49.23 | sergiu | fkc.. |
| 15:49.32 | newsense | abrotman: any debian installer with wifi support ? |
| 15:49.37 | sergiu | can't stream www.kab.tv .. |
| 15:49.40 | abrotman | depends on the wifi card you have |
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| 15:49.53 | abrotman | mine works fine with the installer (better than my wired) .. but not all do |
| 15:50.12 | liable | newsense: linuxwireless.org has an incomplete list |
| 15:50.17 | newsense | i tried with lenny net install on ps3 with no luck |
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| 15:50.30 | abrotman | !tell newsense about ps3 |
| 15:50.37 | peleg | abrotman, this is his ifconfig -a: http://paste.freeallweb.org/87 |
| 15:50.51 | newsense | abrotman: thanks i know all about it though |
| 15:51.21 | abrotman | peleg: his system is sending a lot of data if it's not going anywhere |
| 15:51.36 | peleg | abrotman, what do you mean? |
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| 15:51.57 | funyun | abrotman: still laggy. anything else i can remove? |
| 15:52.04 | peleg | do you mean that: RX bytes:20560356 (19.6 MB) TX bytes:3836974 (3.6 MB) ? |
| 15:52.11 | abrotman | funyun: you can paste `dpkg -l` and i'll look over all of it |
| 15:52.53 | toolz | bbl |
| 15:53.28 | d-b | funyun: i would see what the ping is first.... |
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| 15:54.32 | lvh | hello |
| 15:55.13 | jjmiv | yo |
| 15:55.19 | lvh | Whenever I play a fullscreen 3D game, my mouse jerks to a certain positon. It starts out at the top left corner of the screen. This happens in UrbanTerror, sauerbraten,... Fullscreen vs windowed doesn't help. |
| 15:55.40 | funyun | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1278005 |
| 15:55.46 | lvh | Mouse works fine during normal desktop use. |
| 15:56.45 | abrotman | funyun: remove avahi-daemon |
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| 15:57.31 | funyun | abrotman: gone |
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| 15:58.07 | abrotman | remove gconf2 |
| 15:58.25 | abrotman | funyun: and you should be using aptitude whne you install/remove |
| 15:58.55 | funyun | so aptitude remve gconf2? |
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| 15:59.05 | d-b | yes. |
| 15:59.06 | abrotman | funyun: yes |
| 15:59.07 | micols | any program for editing wave files? sound files.. |
| 15:59.13 | d-b | audacity |
| 15:59.16 | abrotman | funyun: remove kdeeject kdebase-data |
| 15:59.21 | micols | hm its not in my etch repos |
| 15:59.27 | cahoot | audacity is one, ecasound another |
| 16:00.16 | abrotman | remove libgtk2.0-common |
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| 16:00.27 | slayer | debian sux |
| 16:00.30 | slayer | debian sux |
| 16:00.34 | funyun | abrotman: done |
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| 16:01.36 | abrotman | if you're not using java, you can remove those |
| 16:02.04 | funyun | i am |
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| 16:02.33 | abrotman | you can probably remove vlc-nox |
| 16:02.45 | abrotman | and xchat-common |
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| 16:02.56 | abrotman | and xinit xkb-data |
| 16:03.26 | funyun | done |
| 16:03.42 | FoobarWidget | jelly-home: hi |
| 16:04.08 | jelly-home | hi there |
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| 16:04.18 | FoobarWidget | well I think I've figured out a solution |
| 16:04.46 | FoobarWidget | you'd still end up installing all gem versions, but they're split among multiple debian packages so an upgrade won't force one to redownload all versions |
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| 16:05.30 | abrotman | funyun: still not any better ? |
| 16:05.53 | funyun | abrotman: possibly. but it's not noticable |
| 16:06.19 | abrotman | funyun: tried restarting the box ? |
| 16:06.22 | abrotman | hides |
| 16:06.44 | funyun | abrotman: nope. will do now |
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| 16:07.03 | abrotman | peleg: but he can ping the router? |
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| 16:08.36 | funyun | abrotman: nope. not better |
| 16:09.13 | d-b | abrotman: its probably to far away from his / general latency |
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| 16:10.04 | abrotman | d-b: which pderson ? |
| 16:10.11 | d-b | bafor funyun |
| 16:10.16 | abrotman | ok |
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| 16:10.33 | abrotman | d-b: he said that wasn't the case before |
| 16:10.50 | abrotman | funyun: if you ssh in .. is there latency also ? |
| 16:10.50 | d-b | really ? |
| 16:10.54 | peleg | abrotman, yes |
| 16:11.02 | jetscreamer | how do you set the default boot option with grub2/grub-pc |
| 16:11.02 | d-b | what if he pings it ? whats the time |
| 16:11.04 | funyun | i said what wasn't the case? |
| 16:11.08 | jetscreamer | and where are the docs |
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| 16:11.29 | abrotman | funyun: you said VNC was snappy before |
| 16:11.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /usr/share/doc/grub2/ ? |
| 16:11.36 | funyun | oh okay |
| 16:11.40 | abrotman | grub-pc .. whatever it is |
| 16:11.43 | funyun | i'll ping. one sec |
| 16:11.49 | d-b | well it could be a dns problem |
| 16:11.58 | jetscreamer | another name for grub2 |
| 16:11.58 | abrotman | peleg: what kind of ISP is it ? |
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| 16:12.17 | peleg | abrotman, ADSL ? |
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| 16:12.33 | abrotman | peleg: and it's not pppoe ? where he might need to setup a username/password ? |
| 16:13.14 | funyun | 51 packets transmitted, 42 packets received, 17% packet loss |
| 16:13.18 | jetscreamer | abrotman: /usr/share/doc/grub-pc ... the usual garbage, no doc |
| 16:13.22 | funyun | round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 130.418/134.560/139.642/2.553 ms |
| 16:13.23 | abrotman | funyun: that's bad |
| 16:13.27 | jetscreamer | nothing in apt-cache either |
| 16:13.27 | peleg | abrotman, I guess that if he need to setup a username/password, than it is in the router, and it works well. That's how it is usually - but probably he doesn't need to do that at all. I will ask him again |
| 16:13.33 | d-b | abrotman: see.... |
| 16:13.34 | abrotman | jetscreamer: grub2 ? |
| 16:13.43 | abrotman | d-b: i blame organized religiion |
| 16:13.45 | jetscreamer | man grub2 or grub-pc no joy either |
| 16:13.49 | d-b | k ^^ |
| 16:13.53 | abrotman | peleg: have him double check |
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| 16:14.03 | d-b | it was never the fault of deb |
| 16:14.05 | funyun | what does that mean? |
| 16:14.06 | jetscreamer | the package grub-pc supplies grub2 |
| 16:14.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: but your stuff is in /boot/grub/ still |
| 16:14.17 | peleg | about the pppoe - we don't know. How can we check? It's a new installation, so I guess that the answer is no (he never had internet with that distribution before) |
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| 16:14.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and the file is grub.cfg IIRC |
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| 16:14.26 | jetscreamer | abrotman: but it doesn't really use menu.lst |
| 16:14.39 | abrotman | nope |
| 16:14.41 | jetscreamer | yes but it's a script or so, savedefault isn't what i want it seems |
| 16:15.13 | abrotman | peleg: so it goes computer->router->modem->wall ? |
| 16:15.18 | jetscreamer | /etc/default/grub/whatever isn't obvious what to do either |
| 16:15.48 | jetscreamer | checks for a #channel |
| 16:15.56 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
| 16:16.18 | peleg | abrotman, in Israel (the country where he lives) there are router-modem devices that are both router and modem. I guess that this is what he has |
| 16:16.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:16.45 | d-b | do a traceroute to the destination host. |
| 16:16.53 | funyun | so what's going on? i don't understand? |
| 16:16.55 | abrotman | d-b: he can't get past his router |
| 16:17.11 | abrotman | funyun: you're dropping 20% of your packets .. that makes interactive things seem really slow |
| 16:17.14 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yes i tried putting savedefault in one of those 'stanzas' as you would for grub1, but it 'didn't work' |
| 16:17.26 | abrotman | because it's not grub1 ? |
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| 16:17.29 | jetscreamer | i just don't know what to put |
| 16:17.35 | jetscreamer | or where |
| 16:17.36 | d-b | traceroute -I * |
| 16:18.00 | jetscreamer | ahhhh |
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| 16:18.05 | funyun | abrotman: are you saying it's not my server but my own internet? |
| 16:18.07 | abrotman | there is a #grub also |
| 16:18.08 | jetscreamer | default=# not saved |
| 16:18.18 | abrotman | funyun: or your server's internet .. or something in between |
| 16:18.19 | jetscreamer | yeah but they'r egrub1 and usually unhelpful |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | funyun: 'mtr' might be helpful |
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| 16:18.31 | jetscreamer | gives it a shot |
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| 16:18.37 | Piper69 | anyone here with experience installing Hauppauge HVR-1600 in etch |
| 16:18.47 | abrotman | raises his hand! |
| 16:18.58 | jetscreamer | i heard the hauppauges are very well supported |
| 16:19.03 | jetscreamer | all i know though |
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| 16:20.28 | Piper69 | not in my case , i am having heck of a time |
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| 16:21.52 | funyun | abrotman, d-b: http://pastebin.ca/1278020 . <-- traceroute -I results |
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| 16:22.14 | abrotman | would prefer 'mtr' output |
| 16:22.27 | funyun | okay |
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| 16:22.48 | localh0st | Hi everybody |
| 16:23.12 | localh0st | Which version of KDE is still avainable in Debian Lenny? |
| 16:23.16 | abrotman | funyun: you're in ohio? and server is in germany? |
| 16:23.25 | abrotman | localh0st: 3.5.x or something like that .. packages.debian.org |
| 16:23.40 | funyun | abrotman: yes |
| 16:24.05 | localh0st | Uh, and when propably version of KDE4 will be published in repo? |
| 16:24.09 | Piper69 | what is vanilla kernel number for etch |
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| 16:24.54 | abrotman | localh0st: in lenny? never |
| 16:24.57 | asg | Piper69: 2.6.18 though 2.6.24 is available as an etch-n-half |
| 16:24.57 | abrotman | Piper69: .18 and .24 |
| 16:25.23 | localh0st | abrotman: really? It going to be stable? |
| 16:25.40 | onetinsoldier | what will never be in lenny? |
| 16:25.41 | abrotman | is what? |
| 16:25.45 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: kde4 |
| 16:25.54 | Piper69 | abrotman: i read about etch n half and i couldn't understand it, to get it i have to do a fresh install from what i read |
| 16:25.59 | localh0st | abrotman: lenny |
| 16:26.07 | onetinsoldier | oh... darn. |
| 16:26.15 | abrotman | Piper69: no not true |
| 16:26.25 | abrotman | localh0st: sure, soon or so |
| 16:26.35 | Piper69 | abrotman: if you don't mind can you guide me |
| 16:26.51 | localh0st | Thank You abrotman |
| 16:27.05 | abrotman | Piper69: apt-cache search etchnhalf .. install what you want |
| 16:27.11 | abrotman | !tell localh0st about wwlr |
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| 16:27.52 | d-b | Piper69: you really want the newer kernel and stuff, do what abrotman said to have a look for it / foo |
| 16:28.11 | abrotman | /foo indeed |
| 16:28.47 | funyun | abrotman: what do i do in mtr? |
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| 16:29.26 | abrotman | Piper69: ask here |
| 16:29.30 | abrotman | funyun: mtr IP |
| 16:29.44 | onetinsoldier | well, i'm trying to get kde4 working in lenny. no dice so far tho |
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| 16:30.08 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: ask #debian-kde .. not us |
| 16:30.16 | onetinsoldier | roger |
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| 16:31.22 | Piper69 | how do i know what to choose please 486 , linux-header or image |
| 16:31.27 | funyun | abrotman: from me to server, correct? |
| 16:32.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:32.13 | abrotman | Piper69: you want the -image if you want a kernel |
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| 16:35.07 | funyun | abrotman: http://i36.tinypic.com/1085ulz.png |
| 16:35.32 | abrotman | that's not too bad .. 7% isn't great though |
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| 16:36.23 | abrotman | and probably above your ToS |
| 16:36.49 | funyun | so this is not fixable? |
| 16:36.50 | testlin | Greetings everyone. I have issues with installing debian on raid 1 on IDE drives. I used /boot, /var, /home and / as separate raid devices, and when the installation finishes, it didnt come up. In rescue mode, I was not able to execute the command grub. It showed error opening terminal: xterm |
| 16:36.58 | abrotman | funyun: if you call them maybe |
| 16:37.16 | abrotman | funyun: i'm not getting any loss to your 84.19.172.xx |
| 16:37.37 | funyun | abrotman: that's not my ip. but what should i tell them when i call? |
| 16:38.00 | abrotman | i thought it was your IP ? |
| 16:38.03 | abrotman | oh jeez .. hold on |
| 16:39.28 | abrotman | funyun: okay .. let me run |
| 16:39.34 | abrotman | funyun: erm .. let me run that IP |
| 16:41.26 | abrotman | funyun: i'm getting almost 10% but only on the last hop .. call your hosting place, and tell them |
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| 16:42.04 | testlin | I have issues with installing ubuntu on raid 1 on IDE drives. I used /boot, /var, /home and / as separate raid devices, and when the installation finishes, it didnt come up. In rescue mode, I was not able to execute the command grub. It showed error opening terminal: xterm . Any help is greatly appreciated. |
| 16:42.11 | abrotman | testlin: ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:42.26 | testlin | Oops. I mean Debian. |
| 16:42.41 | funyun | okay. what exactly should i tell them? i'm not too sure and i have to be exact since they speak limited english |
| 16:42.43 | abrotman | testlin: prove it |
| 16:42.58 | abrotman | testlin: what is the name of the ISO you used to install ? |
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| 16:43.15 | abrotman | funyun: tell them you're getting packet loss, and send them your mtr output |
| 16:43.38 | abrotman | funyun: tell them you had someone from another ISP do the same, and the packet loss happens for them too |
| 16:43.45 | abrotman | funyun: or find a little german! |
| 16:43.58 | funyun | lol |
| 16:44.04 | funyun | okay. will do. thanks for all the help. d-b too |
| 16:44.15 | testlin | It was debian lenny dvd. |
| 16:44.38 | abrotman | !tell testlin about ig |
| 16:45.01 | H2S04 | ... |
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| 16:45.19 | FoobarWidget | does apt support http basic authentication? |
| 16:45.20 | testlin | Oh thanks. I will check it. Thank you for your time. |
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| 16:46.58 | Piper69 | abrotman: after install i do shutdown -r now |
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| 16:47.36 | hellow0rld | alguém do brasil aE? |
| 16:47.56 | abrotman | !br |
| 16:47.56 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:48.13 | abrotman | FoobarWidget: i think so, see the apt.conf man page perhaps |
| 16:48.29 | abrotman | meh .. maybe not |
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| 16:59.20 | anddam | hello, I'm running ipmasq without any configuration, I can access the internet but I can't ping anything. Is there any special config for icmp packets? |
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| 17:06.58 | garou | Hi. I'm setting up my new system ATM. I can't find the package flashplugin-nonfree anymore (Yes, I have the non-free component in my sources.list). Is it gone? What to use now? |
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| 17:07.16 | valdyn | anddam: yes, but ipmasq does take care of that |
| 17:07.41 | valdyn | anddam: if you cant ping but "access the internet" then one of both is probably not true |
| 17:08.03 | anddam | valdyn: take care as "it should make your icmp packets go forth and back?" or "it would if you configured it so"? |
| 17:08.08 | garou | (btw, I'm running testing now.) |
| 17:08.19 | anddam | valdyn: I'm currently accessing irc via the wifi NIC |
| 17:08.41 | valdyn | anddam: what is the output of "ping" and which host cant you ping? |
| 17:09.11 | anddam | oh wait I was too in a hurry |
| 17:09.20 | anddam | I just pinged www.debian.org |
| 17:09.28 | anddam | took long time for first reply tho' |
| 17:09.38 | anddam | but it's going at 90ms avg |
| 17:09.41 | valdyn | anddam: thats ok |
| 17:10.59 | anddam | the debian box has eth0 eth1 and wlan0 |
| 17:11.12 | anddam | I can't ping computers on eth0 lan |
| 17:11.23 | anddam | that is 192.168.0/24 |
| 17:11.40 | valdyn | garou: flash cant get into lenny , so its just in sid, but you probably want to use the better alternative from debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:12.11 | garou | valdyn: So switching to sid will fix it? Thanks. |
| 17:12.20 | valdyn | garou: no |
| 17:12.27 | valdyn | garou: switching to sid is stupid |
| 17:12.39 | garou | sid is the permanent unstable, right? |
| 17:12.48 | valdyn | garou: yes |
| 17:13.21 | garou | I've worked with that quite long, had problems only every now and then, how is it stupid? Will look into debian-multimedia.org, though. ^ ^ |
| 17:13.38 | darkwizzard | hello.nm-applet 0.7 gives me this error when adding my pppoe connection. |
| 17:13.39 | darkwizzard | Adding connection failed: Invalid connection: '(null)' / 'connection setting not found' invalid: 1. |
| 17:13.41 | darkwizzard | why ? |
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| 17:14.39 | anddam | valdyn: so maybe it's just a network config issue |
| 17:16.02 | FredZ | Real newby here. How do I find out if I have drivers installed for any given device installed on my server? |
| 17:16.41 | anddam | FredZ: if it works then it probably has a working driver |
| 17:17.18 | anddam | FredZ: I'd say lspci and /proc to look for devices, dmesg and lsmod to check for drivers |
| 17:17.32 | darkwizzard | FredZ: kernel modules |
| 17:17.41 | darkwizzard | are the drivers |
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| 17:20.20 | garou | I also problems building packages using ATIs 8.11 driver package; during the dh_shlibdeps step, there is this error message: "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libXext.so.6 needed by debian/fglrx-driver/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 (its RPATH is '')." LD_LIBRARY_PATH is /usr/lib, which is where libXext.so.6 lies. What now? |
| 17:20.35 | FredZ | lsmod did the trick. Now all I have to do is find the drivers. |
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| 17:21.38 | rhineheart_m | hello.. what's the dcc-client in debian |
| 17:22.02 | Theoden | http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/94304-debian_lordotr.jpg |
| 17:22.25 | davidef1986 | hi, i'm building an debian-based appliance, it use all debian binary and have just some costumized configurazion files and start-up scripts. is it possible to create a .deb file that make all the changes so i can easyly update all the board at the same time using an apt-repositoy ? |
| 17:22.34 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: apt-cache search dcc client ? |
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| 17:23.44 | rhineheart_m | abrotman, can't find one |
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| 17:25.11 | rhineheart_m | abrotman, can you tell me about this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg90220.html |
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| 17:25.43 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: it's an email |
| 17:25.50 | themill | !dbugs 464161 |
| 17:25.54 | dpkg | DONE:#464161:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: dcc -- RoQA; unfixable security issues (); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:24:02 UTC [] |
| 17:26.27 | rhineheart_m | !dbugs 365892 |
| 17:26.30 | dpkg | DONE:#365892:N[dcc-client] dcc-client: dccproc can't open /var/lib/dcc/map (); Wed, 03 May 2006 15:18:05 UTC [] |
| 17:26.41 | abrotman | yay |
| 17:27.03 | themill | rhineheart_m: dcc became non-free and was buggy as all hell so it was removed from debian |
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| 17:27.50 | testlin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.05 | abrotman | so you broke it .. and now it works? |
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| 17:30.56 | anddam | abrotman: it's an old empirical law: like in syntax, double breaking fixes |
| 17:31.43 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 17:35.16 | Swistak | hello, i got super simple question. on my debian system i have www-data user, i want grant that user full acces to /tmp and all in it (/tmp/*), what is command for that? |
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| 17:35.57 | abrotman | Swistak: full access to /tmp/ to do what? |
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| 17:36.21 | Swistak | abrotman: i got error: Errno::EACCES (Permission denied - /tmp/stream20081206-15839-1uwclqp-0,15839,0 or /var/www/virtualhosts/czternastelo/httpdocs/nowa/public/images/teachers/2/small/pbastian.jpg): |
| 17:36.36 | Swistak | so i think i must grand www-data acces to /tmp |
| 17:37.28 | abrotman | Swistak: www-data can use /tmp/ .. it can't use other people's files |
| 17:37.36 | Vorbote | Swistak: not at all, instead make sure to chown all the contents of /var/www to www-data. |
| 17:37.51 | abrotman | that's not what it is saying |
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| 17:39.33 | Swistak | ok, chown works for me |
| 17:39.42 | Swistak | thanks abrotman Vorbote ;) |
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| 17:45.52 | thirst | hi guys |
| 17:45.54 | thirst | i got a dvd which I guess is encrypted. I tried opening it with xine/mplayer/vlc but doesnt open. It plays well on windows. any pointers. |
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| 17:47.50 | enouf | thirst: why do you think i |
| 17:48.08 | enouf | t's encrypted? what special tools does windows use to access it? |
| 17:48.25 | \amethyst | nearly all commercial DVDs are encrypted |
| 17:48.29 | enouf | thirst: if you mean it's a Movie, or a Game ... |
| 17:48.54 | \amethyst | s/DVD/video DVD/ |
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| 17:49.06 | thirst | \amethyst, enouf, got it working.. hadnt installed libcss.. :) |
| 17:49.11 | enouf | \amethyst: well .. some would argue they are copy-protected, not necessarily encrypted ;-) (but not me) |
| 17:49.12 | rhineheart_m | hello.. I guess my pop3 and postfix is functional. After doing apt-get install squirrelmail what would I do to access/use it? |
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| 17:49.12 | thirst | thanks |
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| 17:49.37 | enouf | yep - for playback, you want the various libdvdcss* stuffs |
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| 17:49.47 | \amethyst | enouf: just because the encryption has been broken doesn't mean it's not encryption :) |
| 17:49.57 | enouf | heh |
| 17:50.31 | enouf | \amethyst: well.. there are various other content/copy-protection schemes that don't involve encryption (is what i meant) |
| 17:51.03 | \amethyst | enouf: yeah |
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| 18:09.09 | dutchfish | hi, i have made a start/stop script running in /etc/rc2.d/ on boot wich gets fqdn from local dns server and set it through sysctl to kernel. Do i still need to update /etc/hostname too (i dont prefer that)? |
| 18:09.36 | dutchfish | this is on lenny with dhcp3 |
| 18:09.48 | abrotman | you probably should |
| 18:10.01 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, but why? |
| 18:10.25 | dutchfish | abrotman, hostname -f is working correct |
| 18:10.27 | abrotman | i'm sure many apps reference that file |
| 18:10.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, only apache2 at the top of my head |
| 18:10.54 | abrotman | that you know of |
| 18:11.01 | dutchfish | abrotman, yep |
| 18:11.14 | dutchfish | abrotman, whats is debian guideline on this? |
| 18:11.51 | abrotman | i've not seen anything that says you must .. just seems like a good idea |
| 18:12.49 | dutchfish | abrotman, this is my script, please take a look: http://debian.pastebin.com/m36323912 |
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| 18:13.58 | abrotman | oh dear .. curse words! |
| 18:14.11 | dutchfish | abrotman, i need this to setup quickly remotely deployed cluster envirenments with +20 nodes or more |
| 18:14.17 | dutchfish | abrotman, ? |
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| 18:15.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, oops have not cleaned out the comments yet |
| 18:15.08 | abrotman | i'm kidding |
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| 18:15.18 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'm just saying it seems like a good plan to set it, vs not |
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| 18:16.03 | dutchfish | abrotman, i can do that but the hard bargen is that the system starts in a squashfs ro |
| 18:16.18 | xingu | dutchfish: "host" is deprecated from memory, use dig |
| 18:16.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, the satelites are pushed |
| 18:16.26 | abrotman | dutchfish: why not update DNS instead of update the host ? |
| 18:16.47 | dutchfish | abrotman, more work |
| 18:17.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, i need a single copy for all clusternodes |
| 18:17.58 | dutchfish | xingu, this "host" is latest bind9-clinet replacement i used |
| 18:18.10 | dutchfish | s/clinet/client |
| 18:18.17 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 18:18.37 | xingu | hmm, not 100% on host deprecation, but I swear I read it somewhere |
| 18:18.44 | FredZ | Has anyone had any experience with setting up a Compaq Fibre Channel Array using the old Tachyon card. I am using 4.0R5. I am attempting to set this up on an old Compaq 6500 server. |
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| 18:19.01 | dutchfish | xingu, correct the binary host package is obselete |
| 18:19.04 | avu | xingu, sure you don't mean nslookup being deprecated in favour of host? |
| 18:19.11 | avu | ah, that, ok |
| 18:19.12 | xingu | avu: quite probably |
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| 18:20.03 | dutchfish | xingu, i used it because its executes faster, and in a wide area net i would use dig of coarse |
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| 18:21.35 | dutchfish | xingu, but any any on the initial question how to find out wich packages rely on /etc/hostname file? |
| 18:21.50 | abrotman | strings! |
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| 18:22.23 | dutchfish | abrotman, sorry i am a newb, please explain |
| 18:22.30 | abrotman | you are not a newb |
| 18:22.44 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, i still dont understand |
| 18:22.59 | xingu | dutchfish: rgrep on aloith? |
| 18:23.06 | xingu | s/oi/io/ |
| 18:23.31 | xingu | dutchfish: impossible question to answer; if it's used it'll be schlurped in within source. |
| 18:23.32 | dutchfish | xingu, can i rgrep on them? really? |
| 18:23.47 | dutchfish | xingu, ok |
| 18:23.50 | xingu | dutchfish: if you have a shell account, probably :) |
| 18:23.59 | dutchfish | xingu, nope |
| 18:24.06 | abrotman | wonders how gethostbyname works |
| 18:24.18 | dutchfish | xingu, but i have a mirror repo |
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| 18:24.23 | xingu | abrotman: sysutsname from memory |
| 18:25.21 | xingu | abrotman: uname(2)->multiple namespaces magic->kernel/utsname.c |
| 18:25.22 | abrotman | looks like it can get it from /etc/hosts |
| 18:25.26 | dutchfish | another thing with curent debian lenny kernel; http://debian.pastebin.com/m66174431 |
| 18:25.41 | xingu | abrotman: oh, gethostbyname; that goes via libresolv+ |
| 18:26.01 | xingu | abrotman: ie, nsswitch |
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| 18:27.02 | abrotman | so dutchfish would need to update /etc/hosts then ? |
| 18:27.04 | xingu | rather likes nsswitch, elegant hack |
| 18:27.23 | xingu | abrotman: it's a good idea, typical nsswitch.conf fails back to hosts if dns fails |
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| 18:32.38 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:33.37 | enouf | TrueDD: ! |
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| 18:33.48 | TrueDD | hi enouf ! :) |
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| 18:33.52 | TrueDD | how are you ? |
| 18:34.04 | gigo | http://pastebin.com/m26c8c137 - can someone please tell me why it gives the "No such file or directory" (line no. 6) |
| 18:34.12 | enouf | not too shabby - where've you been? |
| 18:34.58 | TrueDD | I had too many work |
| 18:35.03 | kqr | hi, i really want to get my wireless usb nic working (a wg111v3)... but i find no other help than the WiFi wiki page, and honestly, that looks to me veeery incomplete... anyone know of somewhere i can get a more extensive howto? |
| 18:35.04 | xingu | gigo: because by the time it gets around to test/.svn it's already rm -rf'd test |
| 18:35.06 | garou | Hi again... |
| 18:35.16 | abrotman | gigo: that's *very* dangerous |
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| 18:35.33 | garou | Agybody around who lately built the ATI fglrx driver on testing? |
| 18:35.38 | abrotman | or can be |
| 18:35.47 | themill | dpkg: tell gigo about using find |
| 18:35.58 | xingu | gigo: see find(1): -depth |
| 18:36.02 | themill | gigo: find has a -delete option that is helpful here too |
| 18:36.16 | enouf | kqr: i've been noticing there isn't much wifi usb dongle support in many of the wifi linux drivers - might try your like with ndiswrapper |
| 18:36.28 | enouf | s/like/luck |
| 18:36.29 | xingu | man, gnu find has become a feature riddled disaster in the making |
| 18:37.18 | enouf | xingu: which find do you prefer? :-) |
| 18:37.28 | kqr | enouf: hmm, how's ndiswrapper used? |
| 18:37.36 | enouf | !ndiswrapper |
| 18:37.36 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:38.33 | enouf | !tell kqr about wg111 |
| 18:39.14 | enouf | kqr: try that/those first instead of ndiscrapper - i wasn't aware of them ... |
| 18:39.24 | gigo | xingu: but test is not rm -rf'd because after executing the command, the 'test' directory still remains |
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| 18:39.43 | kqr | enouf: hmm, dpkg only knows about wg111v1 and wg111v2... should that apply to wg111v3 too? |
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| 18:40.09 | enouf | kqr: not sure - sometimes they might be almost exact - sometimes entirely different |
| 18:40.32 | enouf | kqr: see what the wg111u says as well |
| 18:40.48 | xingu | enouf: they're all pretty gross :) |
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| 18:41.21 | enouf | xingu: aye :-) |
| 18:41.49 | kqr | enouf: hmm, that seems to be not what i want... at least to me... well, i have to admit i'm quite lost here... i require a kernel module, yes? is that the same as the driver? |
| 18:42.04 | enouf | heh - full circle -> The Netgear WG111U contains an Atheros chipset. The madwifi/ath5k drivers do not support USB devices. Ask me about <ndiswrapper> |
| 18:42.18 | enouf | kqr: yes, basically |
| 18:42.28 | gigo | I understand that I should be using -delete, but I want to know why this doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/m26c8c137 |
| 18:42.46 | dutchfish | another thing with curent debian lenny kernel; http://debian.pastebin.com/m66174431 looks like dhcp3 is going mad again? |
| 18:42.46 | gigo | the strange thing is that after executing I don't find the .svn directory any more. |
| 18:42.52 | xingu | gigo: my mistake; so the error is coming from find - find evaluates the list of all files/directories/specials in test/ , iterates them with your rm -rf command, then tries to descend the directories |
| 18:43.02 | xingu | gigo: which are obviously gone by the time it tries to descend them. |
| 18:43.02 | kqr | enouf: so, as far as i know, the wg111v1 and wg111v2 uses the same kernel module, is the chances large that the wg111v3 uses the same module? |
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| 18:43.23 | xingu | gigo: again, -depth is probably the answer to this as an academic questio, but as abrotman said, "just don't do that" |
| 18:43.32 | xingu | s/question/question/ |
| 18:44.02 | enouf | kqr: that is not what i am understanding from reading both factoids (wg111v1 and wg111v2) |
| 18:44.03 | gigo | i am now using the -delete option as -delete also implies -depth as per the man page |
| 18:44.38 | kqr | enouf: will it simplify alot if i just convince my dad to exchange his wg111v2 for my wg111v3? (he uses windows anyways) |
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| 18:44.54 | enouf | teh v1 seems to be Broadcom while the v2 seems to be RealTek |
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| 18:45.16 | enouf | kqr: perhaps - whatever floats your boat ;-) |
| 18:45.22 | kqr | enouf: x) |
| 18:45.25 | dutchfish | mumbles take the realtek and drop the broadcom |
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| 18:46.25 | kqr | enouf: but i have no idea at all xD |
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| 18:46.37 | kqr | enouf: when i've modprobed the kernel module, what's the next step? xD |
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| 18:48.31 | enouf | kqr: are you talking in general? install wireless-tools pkg, checkout iwconfig, iwscan, iwlist - /msg dpkg interfaces and /msg dpkg wpasupplicant (but worry about WPA later) |
| 18:48.52 | kqr | hmm |
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| 18:50.29 | dutchfish | does someone know where this error comes from: kernel[ 49.162566] mtrr: type mismatch for d0000000,10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining |
| 18:50.40 | enouf | kqr: there are also GUI counterparts for gnome (network-manager or something) and kde (kwifimanager or something) - but CLI is best |
| 18:50.50 | Sebboh | Hi. Can I forward a character device like /dev/video to another machine? A message on some LUG mailing list suggested socat for forwarding character devices.. Is this a sound strategy, or should I go another direction? |
| 18:51.05 | enouf | since the GUI applets store their settings somewhere else |
| 18:51.05 | kqr | enouf: i generally understand cli solutions easier, so i'll try to stick to that |
| 18:51.06 | xingu | dutchfish: probably xorg trying to set the mtrr for your card/driver |
| 18:51.20 | dutchfish | xingu, so a video driver issue? |
| 18:51.32 | dutchfish | xingu, on thi smachne X freezes randomly |
| 18:51.41 | enouf | dutchfish: cat /proc/mtrr |
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| 18:51.43 | dutchfish | xingu, but not with older kernels |
| 18:51.58 | zekefast | Hi, guys! |
| 18:52.14 | enouf | dutchfish: might have to do with your BIOS AGP Aperture settings |
| 18:52.25 | xingu | dutchfish: new kernels are unifying PAT support from x86_64 which has always used them; usual answer is - update your bios. |
| 18:52.28 | Wyzard | Sebboh: working with a device file often involves using special ioctls to control it, in addition to (or possibly instead of) reading and writing characters |
| 18:52.32 | dutchfish | enouf, cat /proc/mttr (debian stock kernel: 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 18:25:23) |
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| 18:52.49 | enouf | dutchfish: mtrr .. not mttr :-P |
| 18:52.50 | xingu | dutchfish: likely explanation is - your bios' idea of mtrr's are probably busted/contradictory |
| 18:52.54 | dutchfish | enouf, directory does not excists |
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| 18:53.16 | enouf | dutchfish: see /Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt as well |
| 18:53.16 | Wyzard | Sebboh: forwarding the character stream with something like socat wouldn't allow the remote machine to do the ioctl stuff |
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| 18:53.36 | enouf | dutchfish: ~$ cat /proc/mtrr |
| 18:53.37 | enouf | reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size= 512MB: write-back, count=1 |
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| 18:53.37 | enouf | reg01: base=0xf0000000 (3840MB), size= 64MB: write-combining, count=1 |
| 18:53.40 | dutchfish | enouf, got 4 lines back like 1st: reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size=65536MB: write-back, count=1 |
| 18:53.52 | enouf | dutchfish: that might not exist if you're on amd64 - so my bad |
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| 18:54.12 | dutchfish | enouf, 2nd: reg01: base=0xcff00000 (3327MB), size= 1MB: uncachable, count=1 |
| 18:54.18 | Sebboh | Wyzard: is it harder to do this with character devices than with block devices? http://nbd.sourceforge.net/ (Network Block Device) |
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| 18:54.43 | zekefast | I've got next message when running pptp: "Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP'. And my IP doesn't have success ping from outside of my network. Does anybody can give some tips? |
| 18:54.50 | dutchfish | xingu, 2.6.25.8 has no problems at all with this |
| 18:54.56 | Wyzard | Sebboh: If it's purely a character device, forwarding the character stream with something like socat or netcat should work fine |
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| 18:55.26 | xingu | dutchfish: what does grep CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER /boot/config-`uname -r` say |
| 18:55.29 | Wyzard | The problem is just that some devices don't really use either the character or block interface, and they're character device files just because they have to be *something* |
| 18:55.35 | Wyzard | bu the real interface is through ioctl() |
| 18:55.48 | enouf | dutchfish: compare the diffs between that file's output when booting the various kernels - but also grab info from dmesg and from Xorg.0.log |
| 18:55.59 | Sebboh | Wyzard: Ah. This is a webcam. A v4l2 device on the OLPC XO-1. Your thoughts? :) |
| 18:56.30 | Wyzard | Sebboh: take /dev/dsp for example -- I think the character stream is used for audio data, but ioctls are used for configuring it (setting sample rate, etc.) |
| 18:56.42 | Wyzard | no idea about that device, sorry |
| 18:57.52 | Sebboh | Wyzard: push comes to shove I could maybe initialize the device locally..? Hm. Thanks for your help I'll do some more reading. :) |
| 18:57.52 | dutchfish | xingu, grep CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER /boot/config-`uname -r` no output at all |
| 18:58.16 | xingu | dutchfish: what kernel release? |
| 18:58.41 | dutchfish | xingu, debian latest stockkernel: 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 18:25:23 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:58.52 | xingu | dutchfish: and regardless, check the mtrr guff that Xorg.0.log reports between working and nonworking case. |
| 18:59.02 | Wyzard | Sebboh: It might make more sense to run something locally to talk to the device file and get a video stream, and then forward the video stream (rather than trying to forward the raw device interface) |
| 18:59.12 | Wyzard | Sebboh: videolan might be useful for that, though I've never used it so I don't really know |
| 18:59.34 | xingu | dutchfish: as I said - after many hours troubleshooting this you'll "probably" come around to the idea that the fix is a bios update. |
| 18:59.41 | enouf | like /dev/video0 ? |
| 19:00.17 | Wyzard | enouf: Sebboh was asking about forwarding /dev/video to a remote machine with socat |
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| 19:00.44 | enouf | i see .. ok |
| 19:01.18 | Sebboh | Wyzard: videolan was my first attempt, followed by gstreamer. I got gstreamer working but then I have two problems: 1. compression is used and the XO-1 doesn't have a lot of CPU power, and 2. the application on the remote machine expects to get input from capture devices, not gstreamer.. |
| 19:01.21 | enouf | see #v4l and #videolan :-P |
| 19:01.41 | Sebboh | Oh, I didn't know there was a #v4l. Thanks enouf. |
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| 19:02.23 | Wyzard | Sebboh: I doubt the XO-1 would include a video camera whose output it's not capable of processing |
| 19:02.49 | Wyzard | or do you mean videolan was compressing the video prior to transmitting it? |
| 19:02.52 | dutchfish | enouf, this is my xorg.0.log, and they are the same for a working and not-working kernel: http://debian.pastebin.com/m71a9badc |
| 19:03.00 | Wyzard | You can probably configure it not to do that |
| 19:03.25 | enouf | dutchfish: ouch .. that's unexpected - back to comparing cat /proc/mtrr output and kernel .configs |
| 19:03.43 | dutchfish | enouf, hold on i paste mine to pastebin |
| 19:03.44 | enouf | dutchfish: dmesg and cat /proc/iomem even |
| 19:03.54 | Sebboh | Wyzard: I never got videolan working; with gstreamer, yes, it worked fine, but the video was lagged by about 2 seconds.. It was keeping up a good framerate, but there was a delay. |
| 19:03.56 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 19:04.07 | enouf | dutchfish: what's your cmdline? any vga=xxx ? |
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| 19:05.27 | S-i-A | what is chmod alle directory in Directory/ to 644 without Directory2/ and Directory5/ ) |
| 19:05.30 | S-i-A | ? |
| 19:05.44 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm inclined to concur with xingu's diagnosis as a possible BIOS bug/oldness/setting, etc - especially as it pertains to iommu and agp aperture settings |
| 19:06.07 | enouf | maybe even memory io remap hole |
| 19:06.18 | abrotman | all that to agree?! :) |
| 19:06.52 | enouf | shame .. tisn't it? :-p |
| 19:07.07 | dutchfish | enouf, i have latest bios, and up to kernel 2.25.8 i dont have that bug. her is my output http://debian.pastebin.com/m1ea59975 |
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| 19:07.13 | szymon_g | hi |
| 19:07.15 | enouf | (besides - i mentioned the BIOS issue FIRST! ) :-P |
| 19:07.23 | dutchfish | enouf, this is from curent stock kerne; |
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| 19:08.51 | dutchfish | enouf, ++ |
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| 19:09.32 | S-i-A | chmod alle directory without files? |
| 19:09.49 | kqr | what am i supposed to do after i've modprobed my wlan usb dongle and added the appropriate section in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:09.54 | abrotman | S-i-A: man find |
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| 19:10.56 | enouf | kqr: have you restarted networking? does ifconfig -a list your ifaces? |
| 19:10.57 | S-i-A | abrotman: i mean chmod all directory in MAINDIR/ without files in MANDIR/ |
| 19:11.04 | enouf | or even iwconfig -a |
| 19:11.37 | dutchfish | enouf, i ran through all vanillas from 2.24 -> 2.6.27.7 up from > 2.25.8 the bug is present |
| 19:11.46 | enouf | dutchfish: so, between that pastebin and the working 2.6.25-8 what's different? |
| 19:11.51 | kqr | enouf: ifconfig -a lists eth0 and lo, but not wlan0 |
| 19:12.12 | dutchfish | enouf, in regards to xorg.0.log -> zilch |
| 19:12.12 | enouf | kqr: how about you try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 19:12.20 | enouf | dutchfish: that i caught |
| 19:12.33 | kqr | enouf: wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 19:13.00 | enouf | kqr: er.. it might not ne named wlan0 anyway - er.. ls /sys/class/net |
| 19:13.21 | enouf | kqr: which module did you modprobe? and which wg111xxxxxxxxxx is this now? |
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| 19:13.35 | dutchfish | enouf, i detected it first around when the latest xorg update came to lenny, but i cant confirm that it is related, not for sure |
| 19:13.51 | dutchfish | enouf, becuase we had also kernel updates |
| 19:13.51 | kqr | enouf: i modprobed p54usb which was listed as the kernel module for wg111v1 and wg111v2... this is a wg111v3 |
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| 19:14.02 | enouf | dutchfish: if all you notice is an X issue, then it might be an X related bug indeed |
| 19:14.03 | kqr | enouf: /sys/class/net only contains lo and eth0 |
| 19:14.29 | enouf | kqr: where says p64usb is the one to load? |
| 19:14.38 | enouf | er p54.. |
| 19:14.46 | kqr | closed the tab, wait i'll take a look |
| 19:15.06 | dutchfish | enouf, if i dont run X everything works exellent, but it could be bios, kernel as well, still my best bet is kernel |
| 19:15.08 | S-i-A | how can change the permission from all files in MAINDIR/ without the directories in MAINDIR/ ? |
| 19:15.17 | dutchfish | enouf, because 2.6.25-8 does fine |
| 19:15.18 | enouf | description: Prism54 USB wireless driver |
| 19:15.30 | dutchfish | enouf, and earlier |
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| 19:15.41 | kqr | enouf: http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB there |
| 19:15.51 | enouf | dutchfish: let me ask, check and see if /dev/agpgart exists booting various kernels |
| 19:16.26 | enouf | dutchfish: does your mobo have an AGP slot? or PCIe? |
| 19:16.31 | S-i-A | any idea? |
| 19:16.49 | tralala | dutchfish, any discoveries since yesterday? |
| 19:16.51 | dutchfish | enouf, pci-X |
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| 19:17.29 | dutchfish | tralala, yes: its totally different direction: http://debian.pastebin.com/m66174431 |
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| 19:17.45 | enouf | dutchfish: ouch ... heh |
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| 19:17.47 | dutchfish | tralala, thats my only grip |
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| 19:18.02 | enouf | dutchfish: so your video is PCI? or Integrated? or .. |
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| 19:18.09 | dutchfish | tralala, and it apears > 2.6.25-8 |
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| 19:18.28 | dutchfish | enouf, no pci express card |
| 19:18.48 | dutchfish | enouf, HD 2400 XT |
| 19:18.56 | enouf | dutchfish: well, you just said PCI-X which is neither AGP, nor PCIe .. but ok |
| 19:19.14 | dutchfish | enouf, sorry my mistake |
| 19:19.18 | enouf | (well, further from PCIe, but whatever) |
| 19:19.38 | tralala | dutchfish, a network card/driver problem? |
| 19:19.53 | enouf | dutchfish: so, you have an ATi PCI-Express Video card? |
| 19:20.03 | dutchfish | tralala, 2nd: a bug in dhcp3 client, wich i have made a workaround, but not much else except the kernel thingy |
| 19:20.08 | enouf | sheesh |
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| 19:20.19 | dutchfish | enouf, correct |
| 19:20.54 | enouf | dutchfish: you should take a look at the boot-options.tst file i mentioned - try some boot params as they pertain to iommu and noaperture - since that's only needed for AGP |
| 19:21.04 | enouf | s/.tst/txt |
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| 19:21.39 | kebomix_ | Free Programming e-books with Direct Links & Request e-books http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
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| 19:22.06 | Pabix | Hello, does anyone have an âacceptableâ solution to delay all the mktexlsr's and updmap-sys' when upgrading a LaTeX distribution? The only way I found is to make backups of /usr/bin/{mktexlsr,updmap-sys} and replace them by a #!/bin/true |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | kebomix_: go away |
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| 19:22.58 | Pabix | otherwise, it can be called hundreds of time, and this solution saves approx. 2 hours on my computer |
| 19:23.18 | Pabix | But it is very dirty and I would like to know whether there is another way |
| 19:24.07 | Wyzard | 2 hours? |
| 19:24.13 | Wyzard | I've never seen a TeX upgrade take that long |
| 19:24.16 | Pabix | Yes |
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| 19:24.32 | Pabix | My computer is old, and I use so many packages that I have TeXLive-full |
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| 19:25.07 | valdyn | Pabix: why dont you just do that upgrade overnight? |
| 19:26.02 | Pabix | valdyn, Because, besides being old and slow, my computer's fan makes a huge noise with which I cannot sleep :) |
| 19:26.31 | dutchfish | enouf, could it be NUMA related? |
| 19:26.41 | valdyn | !numa |
| 19:26.42 | dpkg | numa is, like, better then SMP any day!, or non-uniform memory access - distributed memory |
| 19:26.44 | valdyn | dutchfish: no |
| 19:27.11 | valdyn | dutchfish: you have any idea how much a machine with numa costs? |
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| 19:28.01 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok i will try iommu options |
| 19:28.03 | enouf | you can always toy with the numa=fake boot options though :-P |
| 19:28.12 | Wyzard | Aren't all multi-processor AMD64 systems NUMA? |
| 19:28.32 | enouf | dutchfish: no, not numa related, IME |
| 19:28.36 | Wyzard | Each chip has a memory controller and a dedicated path to some of the RAM, and must talk to the other processor's memory controller through HyperTransport to access the rest of the RAM |
| 19:28.37 | dutchfish | enouf, i just want to find out |
| 19:28.56 | dutchfish | enouf, why X is freezing with this kernel |
| 19:29.45 | enouf | dutchfish: when are you going to post the diff of the kernel configs? and /proc/iomem .. etc |
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| 19:30.14 | dutchfish | enouf, sorry, this is a stock kernel |
| 19:30.42 | enouf | dutchfish: 1st thing is to note your BIOS settings for aperture, if any - disable it - and iommu if any (hard or soft) |
| 19:30.44 | dutchfish | enouf, i would not dare to ask about my own kernels |
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| 19:31.04 | cahoot | Pabix: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375922 |
| 19:31.04 | enouf | dutchfish: well - the .25-8 isn't a stock one? |
| 19:31.07 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, thats a good one |
| 19:31.34 | xingu | Wyzard: xeon is amd64 and still relies on snooping rather than anything that tricky from memory |
| 19:31.45 | Pabix | cahoot, thanks |
| 19:31.47 | dutchfish | enouf, yes i stated earlier then 2.6.25-8 stock kernels included |
| 19:32.05 | enouf | dutchfish: and note if any iomem remap hole is enabled in the bios (15-16M, iirc) as well |
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| 19:32.13 | cahoot | Pabix: seems you can hope for the future |
| 19:32.14 | Wyzard | xingu: I mean actual AMD hardware, not Intel 64 ("amd64" architecture) |
| 19:32.17 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 19:32.32 | Wyzard | I suppose I should say "Opteron and Athlon 64" to be more specific |
| 19:32.39 | frog_ | hi, if i have an embedded flash player in my browser(firefox), it should be listed in running processes as firefox? |
| 19:32.47 | valdyn | true, those are cheaper numa solutions |
| 19:32.47 | enouf | dutchfish: so - show us the diff between the two stock kernel configs (the one that works, and the broken one) |
| 19:33.04 | Wyzard | frog_: It's part of firefox itself, not a separate process |
| 19:33.05 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i will work on that first |
| 19:33.22 | frog_ | Wyzard: thank you. |
| 19:33.28 | Wyzard | frog_: assuming you're using 32-bit firefox; if you're on a 64-bit system, you'll be using Flash via nspluginwrapper, which creates a separate process |
| 19:33.57 | enouf | Wyzard: i'm pretty sure your assessment of AMD and numa is correct as it pertains to the Memory Controller Ondie and HTT |
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| 19:34.10 | frog_ | Wyzard: thank you. it is 32 bit |
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| 19:34.40 | dutchfish | enouf, note: there is no CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER config param in lenny curent stock kernel's config atm |
| 19:35.01 | enouf | dutchfish: that would be noticed in the diff :-P |
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| 19:35.11 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
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| 19:35.55 | dutchfish | enouf, till later |
| 19:36.08 | enouf | ok ;-) |
| 19:38.37 | enouf | kqr: are you sure that's the correct module? (p64usb)? i suppose you compared lsusb -v Device/VendorIDs to that list you posted ? Also - might you also require firmware? |
| 19:38.54 | enouf | gah s/p64/p54 |
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| 19:39.34 | kqr | enouf: xD as said, the wg111v3 isn't on the list at all, but that's the module for wg111v2, and, v1 |
| 19:40.07 | enouf | kqr: run update-usbids and pastebin lsusb -v output |
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| 19:41.04 | enouf | kqr: not only do the dpkg factoids for v1 and v2 mention Broadcom and Realtek respectively - your p54usb is for a Prism chip! |
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| 19:41.51 | enouf | ~$ modinfo p54usb | egrep 'description|depends' |
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| 19:42.10 | AlexandreMBM | Tem alguém semeando torrent do DVD 2 do Etch? |
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| 19:42.30 | kqr | enouf: :S |
| 19:42.33 | enouf | !ig torrents |
| 19:42.40 | gnuhacker | anyone has install gyachi on lenney successfully? |
| 19:42.43 | enouf | AlexandreMBM: try #debian-es ? |
| 19:42.58 | AlexandreMBM | enouf, thank you. sorry |
| 19:43.04 | gnuhacker | installed* |
| 19:43.12 | abrotman | AlexandreMBM: they're linked in the download bt-dvd directory |
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| 19:43.42 | AlexandreMBM | abrotman, I would want torrent |
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| 19:44.48 | enouf | AlexandreMBM: bt == bittorrent |
| 19:44.55 | AlexandreMBM | abrotman, I have .torrent |
| 19:45.01 | AlexandreMBM | enouf, I know |
| 19:45.05 | enouf | ok |
| 19:45.05 | romano2k | good evening everyone! |
| 19:45.07 | abrotman | so you want a torrent program ? |
| 19:45.20 | romano2k | i'm having a strange problem with SFTP |
| 19:45.30 | romano2k | i just created an account on my debian server using "useradd" |
| 19:45.33 | AlexandreMBM | enouf, abrotman I am having dificulty E/S error |
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| 19:45.43 | romano2k | and i can't login to this account using Cyberduck over SFTP |
| 19:45.46 | valdyn | romano2k: why did you not use "adduser" ? |
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| 19:45.53 | AlexandreMBM | enouf, abrotman but I download a DVD image |
| 19:45.54 | romano2k | whereas i can log in with another account |
| 19:46.02 | abrotman | AlexandreMBM: you want one ? |
| 19:46.09 | romano2k | valdyn: i don't know, what's the difference? |
| 19:46.11 | AlexandreMBM | enouf, abrotman: and other |
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| 19:46.16 | Insolit | guys there's a way to write directly into a file that is associated to a dev partition, do you know how to do it? I've seen a friend doing this and i know i need to create a file of the same size of the dev with dd |
| 19:46.20 | valdyn | romano2k: dont ask me, its in the manpage |
| 19:46.22 | AlexandreMBM | abrotman, what? |
| 19:46.25 | Insolit | but can't remember the rest of the procedure. |
| 19:46.29 | abrotman | AlexandreMBM: for i386 ? |
| 19:46.40 | AlexandreMBM | abrotman, yes! |
| 19:46.43 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/ |
| 19:46.46 | Insolit | the advantages would be to easilly backup that partition |
| 19:46.47 | abrotman | everythng is in there |
| 19:46.49 | valdyn | romano2k: and login failures are at /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:47.12 | AlexandreMBM | abrotman, I download DVD 1 and I am downloading the update DVD 1 |
| 19:47.18 | valdyn | geey |
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| 19:47.20 | valdyn | gee |
| 19:47.21 | enouf | Insolit: dd if=/dev/name1 of=/dev/target2 bs=4M ... careful |
| 19:47.26 | abrotman | AlexandreMBM: okay .. and ? |
| 19:47.27 | valdyn | AlexandreMBM: whats the point of that? |
| 19:47.28 | AlexandreMBM | abrotman, but DVD 2 -> E/S error |
| 19:47.45 | abrotman | AlexandreMBM: so just use DVD1 to install.. then get the rest from an internet mirror |
| 19:47.50 | Insolit | enouf: why careful? |
| 19:47.53 | Piper69 | how can i edit Grub list...i have installed 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 but it is in the middle of the list |
| 19:47.58 | enouf | Insolit: i posted a very general command - so it likely will need to be tweaked |
| 19:48.11 | enouf | Insolit: also - might want to look at partimage |
| 19:48.12 | AlexandreMBM | abrotman, I want all DVD's |
| 19:48.16 | jelly-home | AlexandreMBM: filled up your disk? |
| 19:48.34 | valdyn | AlexandreMBM: why? to many empty dvd roms? |
| 19:48.37 | enouf | Insolit: because you can easily destroy data - and/or mess up other data |
| 19:48.44 | valdyn | AlexandreMBM: theres easier ways to get rid of those.. |
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| 19:48.58 | Insolit | enouf: i've created the logical volume, so now i just create the file from the dev of that logical volume correct? |
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| 19:49.08 | romano2k | it worked using "adduser", thank you! |
| 19:49.09 | AlexandreMBM | jelly, I don't know... the nautilus talk me 4.7 GB free |
| 19:49.27 | enouf | Piper69: see the "default X" option in menu.lst - man grub - read the file |
| 19:49.42 | AvK | does the latest version of skype support video |
| 19:49.51 | enouf | Piper69: i usually just edit the file to my liking - much easier ;-) |
| 19:50.00 | AlexandreMBM | valdyn, I don't understand |
| 19:50.02 | valdyn | AvK: this is a debian support channel |
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| 19:50.14 | AvK | valdyn, yeap |
| 19:50.15 | AvK | so ? |
| 19:50.17 | enouf | Piper69: in other words - i manually reorder the stanzas |
| 19:50.25 | valdyn | AlexandreMBM: it simply means that you probably have no valid reason to waste time getting all those dvd |
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| 19:51.13 | Piper69 | enouf: i like short cuts, so where should i start |
| 19:51.14 | enouf | Insolit: er ... if your using LVM2 you want to do things with the associated tools - not dd, nor any partition backup program |
| 19:51.21 | AvK | valdyn, i am asking about skype on linux, there is no specified channel for skype on linux |
| 19:51.33 | enouf | Piper69: i already told you |
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| 19:51.46 | AlexandreMBM | valdyn, It is necessary for I supports scholl labs offline |
| 19:52.10 | AvK | so i ask here, this is not hard to answer for this question , isnt't it ? |
| 19:52.15 | AvK | valdyn, |
| 19:52.19 | enouf | AvK: try ##linux for general linux questions |
| 19:52.31 | valdyn | AlexandreMBM: i/o error means that the phyiscal medium is broken, we cant fix it for you, burn again or get a new harddisk, replace whatever had that error |
| 19:52.35 | enouf | this is a Debian only support channel |
| 19:52.49 | AlexandreMBM | valdyn, Debian 4.0 is system base for Linux Educacional 2.0. a MEC's system, in Brazil |
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| 19:53.00 | IORI | hi |
| 19:53.06 | IORI | wht's up channel ? |
| 19:53.29 | AlexandreMBM | valdyn, I will try |
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| 19:53.48 | Piper69 | IORI: the Topic! |
| 19:53.53 | Piper69 | :) |
| 19:54.18 | valdyn | !fgi AvK skype linux video |
| 19:54.18 | dpkg | AvK: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=skype linux video |
| 19:54.24 | enouf | Piper69: i give you one more bit of info - all fields starting with just one # within the Automagic list are not commented lines - they are processed |
| 19:54.27 | valdyn | !fgi AvK skype+linux+video |
| 19:54.27 | dpkg | AvK: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=skype+linux+video |
| 19:54.31 | valdyn | or that one |
| 19:54.54 | Piper69 | enouf: ;) |
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| 19:55.42 | enouf | Piper69: note things like #update-default-options and shit - that's why i do it manually :-P |
| 19:56.28 | enouf | if all those settings are correct - then running update-grub should update all entries as according to your settings |
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| 19:57.08 | AvK | dpkg, thx , that was just one simple question, (just yes or not) but you have to ... |
| 19:57.09 | dpkg | AvK: You are moron #14 |
| 19:57.10 | AvK | eh |
| 19:57.49 | abrotman | AvK: dpkg is a bot |
| 19:58.35 | enouf | AvK: have you tried your distribution channel? there are also ##linux-help and various others spread across many networks |
| 19:58.45 | AvK | abrotman, what does it mean "moron 14" |
| 19:58.57 | mhymn_ | hmm |
| 19:59.08 | abrotman | AvK: just ignore it |
| 19:59.10 | enouf | AvK: you forgot the # |
| 19:59.21 | AlexandreMBM | I have a question about DVD names |
| 19:59.23 | enouf | implies a head count :-P |
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| 19:59.43 | AvK | you know, i am not a native speaker any way... if i ask about samething i treat it like a english lesson |
| 19:59.49 | AlexandreMBM | > Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 rev5 |
| 19:59.55 | AlexandreMBM | > Oficial i386 Binário-2 |
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| 20:00.29 | enouf | yep - that'd be the 2nd DVD of the set |
| 20:00.35 | AvK | that's why i use irc , not google ( sametimes) |
| 20:03.05 | AvK | enouf, i use debian anyway |
| 20:03.07 | AvK | ... |
| 20:03.28 | enouf | !tell AvK about skype |
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| 20:04.51 | enouf | AvK: and when we say debian, we mean debian, not knoppix, not ubuntu, not sidux, not ... |
| 20:05.03 | AvK | enouf, yeap |
| 20:05.20 | AvK | i use debian sid with xfce if you like to know |
| 20:06.10 | AvK | enouf, hehe, you think i ask stupid question and that mean that i am a fool ? buhaha |
| 20:06.43 | enouf | you seem to have that inverted :-P |
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| 20:07.30 | medc | hello, i have a gateway and my touchpad has the vertical scroll but it is not configure, do you know how to do it? |
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| 20:08.13 | enouf | oj GAteway as in OEM PC Manufacturer .. i was like wtf? |
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| 20:08.35 | enouf | !synaptics |
| 20:08.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
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| 20:15.15 | Sebboh | Btw, I used to scold the Linux channels (on EFnet in particular, but here, too..) for being mean to people. ..I take it all back. The cruelty was an effective population filter.. And now I wish that it had remained in place. :( |
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| 20:16.03 | chris-p | how easy is it to install freeRADIUS on debian? |
| 20:16.14 | chris-p | with EAP/TLS (I know I'll have to build them myself) |
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| 20:19.10 | jhambo | I somehow managed to forget my root password. I've managed to boot into a root shell by adding init=/bin/bash to the boot during start up. but I cant seem to find the command passwd. How can I change the root password??? |
| 20:19.40 | abrotman | !tell jhambo about ifrp |
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| 20:21.42 | jhambo | thanks abrotman. For clarity, does "'fsck' your root file system" mean just run the command `fsck \`? |
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| 20:22.56 | abrotman | fsck /dev/foo .. you don't fsck a mounted filesystem |
| 20:22.56 | Guerin | jhambo: touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 20:23.11 | Guerin | oh, before you mount. ok. |
| 20:24.30 | jhambo | abrotman: hmmm when `passwd root` I get "command not found" |
| 20:24.55 | stew | jhambo: is /usr mounted? |
| 20:25.12 | jhambo | stew: ahhh aparently not |
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| 20:29.36 | jhambo | YAY! It worked. Thanks folks. Though I feel like a fool forgetting the pass after typing it 30 times. Guess that's what happens when I trying installing at 3 AM... |
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| 20:34.28 | Lenolium | Quick question: Are all packages in Debian compiled with stack canaries by default? |
| 20:35.05 | abrotman | hears no tweeting |
| 20:35.52 | onetinsoldier | what are they anyway? |
| 20:36.07 | Wyzard | Lenolium: I'm pretty sure the answer is no |
| 20:36.20 | Schiz0|SD | How can I figure out if I'm running a 32 bit system or 64? I just got a debian system installed at a hosting provider and they did't tell me which one, but I know the processer supports 64. |
| 20:36.32 | Wyzard | they're compiled with the packaged gcc, which doesn't have any patches like that afaik |
| 20:37.10 | abrotman | Schiz0|SD: dpkg-architecture |
| 20:37.17 | jelly-home | Schiz0|SD: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 20:37.20 | Schiz0|SD | thanks |
| 20:38.50 | Schiz0|SD | hm, it's a 32 bit system. I have 4 GB of ram on it - I know 32 bit can theoretically use up to exactly 4 GB, but I'm not sure about virtual memory and whatever else.... |
| 20:39.15 | Wyzard | Lenolium: FWIW, if your processor supports NX/XD, that gives you protection against buffer overflows |
| 20:39.26 | Schiz0|SD | is it fine with 32bit and 4 GB of ram? Or should I made them reinstall a 64bit version? |
| 20:39.36 | Wyzard | Lenolium: On 32-bit systems you have to use a -bigmem kernel to enable it though |
| 20:39.47 | abrotman | Schiz0|SD: you can just install the -amd64 kernel |
| 20:40.05 | Wyzard | Schiz0|SD: You should be OK, but if the machine is 64-bit-capable I'd probably ask them to install the 64-bit OS anyway |
| 20:40.24 | Lenolium | Wyzard: It gives you some protection, but not support against things such as libc returns. |
| 20:40.47 | Schiz0|SD | abrotman: I can boot into the -amd64 kernel, and update my apt sources to use the amd64 repo and all will be good? |
| 20:40.59 | abrotman | Schiz0|SD: but unless you're actually expecting to use more than 4GB of RAM .. what's the point ? |
| 20:41.01 | Wyzard | Schiz0|SD: no, you can't change architectures on an existing installation |
| 20:41.06 | Schiz0|SD | nah, I don't intend on upgrading |
| 20:41.09 | Schiz0|SD | Wyzard: ah, ok |
| 20:41.11 | Wyzard | Schiz0|SD: sources.list doesn't specify i386 vs. amd64 |
| 20:41.12 | Schiz0|SD | upgrading more ram* |
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| 20:41.37 | Schiz0|SD | ah, ok...It's been a long time since I used debian, let alone linux in general...I'm more of a BSD guy |
| 20:41.40 | Schiz0|SD | :-\ |
| 20:41.40 | abrotman | Schiz0|SD: no .. i mean the load on the system .. what is this machine going to run? simple things like apache+postgres for a simple site won't use 4GB of RAM |
| 20:41.49 | Wyzard | Schiz0|SD: It's just that the i386 Debian happens to come with a 64-bit kernel you can install (but userspace is still 32-bit) |
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| 20:42.13 | jelly-home | Schiz0|SD: with a -686 kernel you'll be able to use about 3.4GB; if that's enough, there's no need to bother with a different kernel |
| 20:42.22 | Wyzard | Schiz0|SD: btw, you can use more than 4GB of RAM even on a 32-bit system with PAE (the -bigmem kernels) |
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| 20:42.49 | jelly-home | Wyzard: doesn't that incur a performance penalty? |
| 20:43.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: the 4GB kernels are already using PAE |
| 20:43.12 | MoRLoCh | jelly-home: yes, highmem is more expensive to use |
| 20:43.12 | Wyzard | a little, but it's nothing major |
| 20:43.42 | Wyzard | Windows enables PAE automatically even on machines with less than 4GB of RAM, if the processor supports NX (because that only works in PAE mode) |
| 20:44.01 | Wyzard | I do the same on my laptop |
| 20:44.03 | Schiz0|SD | hrm...so what's the benefit of using a 64bit kernel and 32 userspace? It's a heavily loaded php web site, with various other things running (ircd, etc) |
| 20:44.16 | Wyzard | (running a -bigmem kernel though I only have 1GB of RAM) |
| 20:44.18 | Schiz0|SD | I'm tempted to just sty with 32...3.4 GB of ram would be fine |
| 20:44.19 | abrotman | Schiz0|SD: but is it actually using near 3GB of RAM ? |
| 20:44.32 | Schiz0|SD | abrotman: right now we have 14 MB of free ram, haha |
| 20:44.40 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 20:44.41 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 20:44.45 | abrotman | check your buffers/cache |
| 20:44.48 | Schiz0|SD | hrm |
| 20:44.57 | abrotman | are you using swap? |
| 20:45.39 | abrotman | like on this box (768MB) .. i have 663MB used .. but 500MBish is buffers/cache |
| 20:45.40 | Schiz0|SD | I don't know - I didn't set up the last server...it has 2 GB of ram, and I think no swap (but I may be wrong). But we're moving to a new debian box with 4 GB RAM |
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| 20:45.50 | Schiz0|SD | I don't have access to the old system |
| 20:46.04 | abrotman | so where is 14MB free? new box or old ? |
| 20:46.07 | Schiz0|SD | old |
| 20:46.09 | Schiz0|SD | with 2 GB |
| 20:46.20 | abrotman | but you can't look more closely? you odn't have a shell ? |
| 20:47.01 | Schiz0|SD | No..I could get one, but not immediately |
| 20:47.48 | abrotman | oh just guess :) |
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| 20:48.24 | MoRLoCh | anyway the cache is probably going to help php perform better |
| 20:48.31 | abrotman | misread his buffers/cache |
| 20:49.14 | Schiz0|SD | I plan on runing a php opcode cacher too |
| 20:49.20 | Schiz0|SD | meh |
| 20:49.24 | Schiz0|SD | sticks with 32 |
| 20:49.34 | smacnay | Any recommended gui mail apps? I know of evolution but I think that it's ability to handle gpg is broken right now. |
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| 20:50.03 | abrotman | smacnay: didn't you have this discussion last night ? |
| 20:50.07 | smacnay | I am in gnome and do like the integration with the calendar and all. |
| 20:50.14 | Schiz0|SD | Also, I have a question about firewalls. Are there any simple/good interfaces to iptables for cli? I've read up on firestarter, but that's only GUI afaik |
| 20:50.22 | abrotman | smacnay: tried balsa? icedove ? |
| 20:50.35 | Wyzard | smacnay: evolution's GPG integration seems to be working for me (at least for signing mail that I send; I don't receive any encrypted mail) |
| 20:50.35 | abrotman | Schiz0|SD: do you really need a GUI ? |
| 20:50.39 | smacnay | abrotman: I might have asked about evolution/gpg breakage but I don't recall discussing other email apps |
| 20:50.47 | Wyzard | Schiz0|SD: I suggest firehol |
| 20:51.00 | smacnay | Wyzard: ah, I think I can sign and send but can't encrypt and send. |
| 20:51.14 | Schiz0|SD | abrotman: I wanted one WITHOUT a gui |
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| 20:51.19 | abrotman | oh .. vi :) |
| 20:51.30 | smacnay | abrotman: not yet. balsa.... hmm. |
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| 20:53.27 | Wyzard | smacnay: just sent myself a signed and encrypted mail... received and decrypted with no problems |
| 20:53.33 | Wyzard | smacnay: this is Evolution 2.22.3.1 in sid |
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| 20:54.03 | abrotman | smacnay: what about the gpg in evo is broken .. seems fine in lenny |
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| 20:54.40 | frog_ | mem (memory mapped file... does it mean, that the file is in ram? |
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| 20:54.55 | Wyzard | frog_: no, but it means that it appears to the program that it's in RAM |
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| 20:55.15 | frog_ | Wyzard: ok thank you again |
| 20:56.18 | Wyzard | frog_: Pages are actually loaded from disk on-demand by the kernel, and then they're in I/O buffers which the kernel can flush if needed (and re-read from disk later if necessary) |
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| 20:57.13 | smacnay | abrotman: I can sign a message and send to myself but get a "broken pipe" error when trying to encrypt and send. |
| 20:57.30 | abrotman | i just encrypted a message to myself |
| 20:57.34 | smacnay | Evolution 2.22.3.1 in "testing" |
| 20:57.39 | abrotman | using the little encrypt menu option |
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| 20:58.33 | frog_ | Wyzard: ok, you are pretty informative |
| 20:58.42 | pinbalwyz | Is anyone here alive? |
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| 20:58.54 | abrotman | nope .. not a single person |
| 20:59.21 | smacnay | abrotman: hmm, same as me - are you in sid? |
| 20:59.21 | simonrvn | pinbalwyz: we're all zombies, waiting for people like you to show up so we can eat. |
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| 20:59.31 | Sebboh | Btw, I used to scold the Linux channels (on EFnet in particular, but here, too..) for being mean to people. ..I take it all back. The cruelty was an effective population filter.. And now I wish that it had remained in place. :( |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | smacnay: i told you lenny |
| 20:59.45 | abrotman | Sebboh: piss off |
| 21:00.19 | simonrvn | someone didn't get the joke.... |
| 21:00.21 | smacnay | abrotman: sorry- thought that was Wyzard |
| 21:00.26 | abrotman | simonrvn: i got it! |
| 21:00.34 | abrotman | smacnay: wyzard is on sid .. i'm on lenny |
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| 21:00.44 | simonrvn | i know you did, but i was talking about pinbalwyz |
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| 21:01.18 | smacnay | abrotman: so you had no trouble encrypting with gpg from the "Security" drop-down menu. |
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| 21:01.30 | smacnay | abrotman: maybe there is a config setting off here. |
| 21:01.37 | Sebboh | abrotman? Oh, sorry, I said that earlier, but didn't mean to type anything just now. New window manager. =P |
| 21:01.38 | abrotman | the PGP Encrypt item .. nope .. worked fine |
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| 21:01.46 | pinbalwyz | Hi! |
| 21:01.56 | abrotman | Sebboh: so what you're saying is .. you're a newb that can't control his IRC client? |
| 21:02.18 | simonrvn | wow, he's back |
| 21:02.20 | Sebboh | I can't control my window focus, but, sure, close enough. :) |
| 21:02.37 | pinbalwyz | If anyone here is alive, I'd like to know what application to call from a linux system to edit the read only files on an XP pro hard drive? |
| 21:02.50 | Sebboh | (arrow up, enter does something in mc, as well as konversation, woo. :P ) |
| 21:02.56 | abrotman | pinbalwyz: ask the #knoppix channel or ##linux |
| 21:02.58 | simonrvn | pinbalwyz: you use ntfs-3g |
| 21:03.08 | pinbalwyz | Also, is there an antivirus program that will run in linux/debian but clean an XP drive? |
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| 21:03.21 | simonrvn | pinbalwyz: however, how to do that, do what abrotman said. ask them. this is debian |
| 21:03.49 | Wyzard | pinbalwyz: clamav does that, I think, but I don't really know anything about it |
| 21:03.50 | abrotman | smacnay: maybe your ISP is rearranging your bits! |
| 21:03.57 | pinbalwyz | knoppix is a kind of debian OS. :( |
| 21:04.09 | Wyzard | !based on debian |
| 21:04.09 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 21:04.12 | pinbalwyz | but thanks. |
| 21:04.13 | simonrvn | i's not debian |
| 21:04.37 | simonrvn | pinbalwyz: good luck |
| 21:05.00 | simonrvn | it's* |
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| 21:09.53 | zmitya | hi all |
| 21:10.28 | frog_ | i have a site with embedded swf player. there is a video loaded and i can repaly it. could it be, that the whole video residents in ram? and how could i check it? |
| 21:10.35 | zmitya | I'm a newbie to ipsec and I would like to know if an IPSEC server (openswan) can be behind a NAT firewall or not |
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| 21:11.42 | zmitya | so can the IPSEC traffic to be NATed ? |
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| 21:23.06 | corruptedworld | bonsoir |
| 21:23.48 | corruptedworld | speak french here? |
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| 21:24.34 | corruptedworld | excuse-me a i've a bit question |
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| 21:25.21 | corruptedworld | i ould know please what's the best for debian on the desktop (desktop use) |
| 21:25.31 | corruptedworld | what's version? |
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| 21:26.25 | corruptedworld | nobody? |
| 21:26.31 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:26.32 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:26.53 | abrotman | corruptedworld: if you're new to debian, we'd suggest etch .. though lenny is due to be released RSN/SIYH/WIR |
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| 21:27.51 | corruptedworld | abrotman i would install debian from netinstall file |
| 21:27.59 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:28.09 | zykes- | any repository for debian that contains perl modules ? |
| 21:29.06 | corruptedworld | abrotman i would know if lenny is best for desktop or eist an other version for it? |
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| 21:29.17 | corruptedworld | exist* |
| 21:29.23 | abrotman | zykes-: depends on the perl module .. look at dh-make-perl for those things not in debian |
| 21:29.29 | abrotman | corruptedworld: lenny will be fine |
| 21:29.43 | corruptedworld | ok thanks |
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| 21:30.11 | zykes- | abrotman: that's alot of perl modules :p |
| 21:30.23 | abrotman | zykes-: many are packaged already |
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| 21:31.17 | corruptedworld | by the way i've 512MB of RAM, AMD Sempron 1.8Ghz processor, and 15GB disk space , it's good for gnome desktop environnement? |
| 21:31.28 | abrotman | zykes-: i can't recall the exact formula .. but if it's something like Net:SNMP .. you would search `apt-cache search libnet snmp perl' |
| 21:31.39 | abrotman | zykes-: make sense ? |
| 21:31.45 | zykes- | ok :) |
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| 21:32.17 | corruptedworld | you think that's good? |
| 21:32.34 | abrotman | corruptedworld: should be okay |
| 21:32.38 | onetinsoldier | a little low on ram, but should work ok |
| 21:32.45 | hersoy | how can i find gnuworld (cservices) .deb packages? |
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| 21:33.08 | corruptedworld | ok |
| 21:33.45 | corruptedworld | aand proprietary plugins, codecs are available on debian lenny (of course i woul use debian or desktop ^^) |
| 21:33.46 | corruptedworld | ? |
| 21:34.08 | corruptedworld | for example as flash, realplayer, mp3 codec, divx...etc |
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| 21:34.58 | Guerin | corruptedworld: mp3 decoder is in stock debian |
| 21:35.16 | Guerin | corruptedworld: the rest are available from various sources, though there are usually better options |
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| 21:36.29 | corruptedworld | ok thanks evrybody |
| 21:36.30 | corruptedworld | bye |
| 21:36.31 | Guerin | (like - who the hell still uses divx in 2008?) |
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| 21:37.12 | hersoy | hi, how can i find gnuworld (cservices) .deb packages? |
| 21:37.14 | Sebboh | Hm, I've downloaded the source code of a library. It contains a debian subdirectory. that dir contains a rules dir, a postinst.in file, etc. So this thing is ready to become a local .deb package, eh? How do I do it? |
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| 21:38.48 | Sebboh | Guerin: yeah, even on windows, there's some open source app/codec that can play divx, without needing to install the divx crap. I think it's ffdshow or something. |
| 21:38.57 | enouf | fakeroot debian/rules binary ? |
| 21:39.12 | Guerin | does vlc still gut its player's codec list? |
| 21:39.27 | Sebboh | enouf: huh? |
| 21:39.36 | Guerin | (not that they shouldn't, just cba checking) |
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| 21:39.58 | Guerin | dpkg: say enouf: I am not your bash prompt! |
| 21:39.58 | dpkg | enouf: I am not your bash prompt! |
| 21:40.37 | onetinsoldier | Sebboh: i've never done it my elf, but perhaps what enouf suggested or check out man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:41.13 | Sebboh | I didn't understand enouf's contribution at first but I think that now I do. :) |
| 21:41.24 | enouf | and if you wanted to try to pass some build specifics try DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS= that's the way mplayer svn works (well, one way) |
| 21:41.30 | Guerin | Sebboh: that's the magic formula you seek, young padawan :) |
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| 21:42.46 | Schiz0|SD | hrm, is there a kernel image that has both smp and bigmem? It's a 4-core Xeon, and I need bigmem for the ram |
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| 21:43.04 | Guerin | Schiz0|SD: all modern debian smp kernels should have bigmem |
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| 21:43.41 | Schiz0|SD | oh, alright. So I can just install a smp kernel then |
| 21:44.03 | flami | Hi, is there a way to find out how may jobs are currently running in bash ? I found modifying the prompt to show me the job amount ... but thats not what im looking for . |
| 21:44.05 | Wyzard | Isn't it just that all current Debian kernels have SMP? |
| 21:44.12 | Wyzard | but there are still -bigmem and non-bigmem flavors |
| 21:44.17 | Guerin | Schiz0|SD: yeah. Grep the config for BIGMEM or check /proc/meminfo afterward to be sure. |
| 21:44.24 | Guerin | oh, is that it |
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| 21:44.33 | Wyzard | You don't see -smp flavors anymore |
| 21:44.35 | enouf | onetinsoldier: and Sebboh /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 21:45.01 | Guerin | that would make more sense |
| 21:45.06 | onetinsoldier | enouf: hey, thanks |
| 21:45.12 | Schiz0|SD | eh, alright. so I can just install a bigmem, and it'll have smp support? haha |
| 21:45.16 | Wyzard | yep |
| 21:45.21 | Schiz0|SD | thanks again Wyzard |
| 21:45.22 | Schiz0|SD | and Guerin |
| 21:45.49 | onetinsoldier | nice |
| 21:46.05 | Sebboh | enouf: ah, that helps a lot, thanks. |
| 21:46.30 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 21:48.29 | enouf | Guerin: Wyzard and Schiz0|SD it's actually the HIGHMEM64G option - Debian calls them -bigmem kernels |
| 21:48.37 | enouf | (with PAE support) |
| 21:48.59 | Wyzard | that's the actual config option, if compiling a custom kernel |
| 21:49.11 | enouf | nut yes, since Etch, all are SMP-aware .. IOW, it'll install an SMP version if it detects it's needed |
| 21:49.17 | enouf | s/nut/but |
| 21:49.55 | enouf | Wyzard: righto .. yep - notice one mentioned grepping the config - just clarifyng |
| 21:50.02 | Wyzard | oh, I see |
| 21:50.12 | Wyzard | yeah, that makes sense |
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| 21:54.13 | frog_ | xtoffmpeg.c add_audio_stream(): error opening input file /dev/dsp: -2 anyone cold help me to fix this? it happens while using xvidcap |
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| 21:55.30 | HellMind | how can I enable/turn on an iface with no ip |
| 21:56.25 | frog_ | HellMind: so, you want the iface is up? |
| 21:57.09 | HellMind | I need it up, to bridge it |
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| 21:57.24 | HellMind | but unconfigured, I dont need assign it an ip |
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| 21:57.36 | enouf | flami: 'jobs' should list the running jobs |
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| 21:57.57 | enouf | not again ... |
| 21:58.20 | enouf | with this "i can do this so easily in dead cat, why can't i do it in debian" |
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| 21:59.11 | flami | yep thanks enouf , i use jobs | wc -l |
| 21:59.21 | enouf | use 'manual' option in your interfaces file - or just ifconfig eth0.0 up |
| 21:59.40 | MoRLoCh | HellMind: maybe you can have a look at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/bridge for inspiration |
| 22:00.47 | HellMind | that've nothing to with me :S |
| 22:01.00 | HellMind | my bridge is already done by vmware |
| 22:01.05 | Doonz | have a quick question. Im running Software raid. RIght now my system is 32bit. Would i see any improvements by going to 64bit? |
| 22:01.43 | MoRLoCh | HellMind: there is an example on how to bring an interface up with no IP |
| 22:02.19 | tuxcrafter | hi all i am trying to get my gpg smarcard working again as normal user some update changed the behavior the device is /dev/bus/usb/002/004 how can i check if ther are other device nodes an how can i check the permission issue |
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| 22:03.54 | HellMind | MoRLoCh : I don't understand it -_-, it uses a bridge I don't need any bridge |
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| 22:04.35 | MoRLoCh | HellMind: there is an example in the beginning of the file on how to bring the interface up, just use "manual" and the up line |
| 22:05.03 | enouf | or install bridge-utils and view those docs as well |
| 22:05.22 | HellMind | ahh let me test it |
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| 22:06.20 | MoRLoCh | enouf: I believe he just needs to bring the iface up automatically, he's not using the linux bridge, I guess he's associating eth1 to vmnet1 or whatever it is |
| 22:06.50 | enouf | tuxcrafter: ls -l /dev/bus/usb/ |
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| 22:07.12 | enouf | tuxcrafter: ensure your user is part of the required group |
| 22:07.21 | chris-p | hmmm, how annoying, is it possible to delay an initscript's startup |
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| 22:07.35 | chris-p | tspc seems to want to start up before the tun interfaces are set up |
| 22:07.36 | enouf | MoRLoCh: hrm ... ok |
| 22:07.38 | chris-p | and therefore fails |
| 22:07.49 | tuxcrafter | enouf: then its a udev bug because the device is root:root |
| 22:07.58 | Flexa | hi no plugin I installed the browser iceweasel worked to turn the videos on the site www.youtube.com |
| 22:08.03 | onetinsoldier | chris-p: the sleep command i believe |
| 22:08.13 | chris-p | where would I put it? |
| 22:08.27 | enouf | chris-p: the SNN and runlevel determines the order of startup - though, IINM, many can run concurrently? |
| 22:08.31 | onetinsoldier | in the script |
| 22:08.38 | chris-p | hmm, SNN? |
| 22:08.41 | chris-p | I'm used to gentoo |
| 22:08.53 | enouf | !tell chris-p -about rcconf |
| 22:09.09 | HellMind | how can I clean the previous IP assigned into a iface :S? |
| 22:09.19 | enouf | chris-p: see the URL for debian-administration.org |
| 22:09.30 | Sebboh | HellMind: you shouldn't have to do much more than simply add the interface to the bridge, using brctl. Why would you think that the docs these people recommended to you don't apply to your situation? (How exactly do you think that vmware sets up bridges?) |
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| 22:09.42 | enouf | chris-p: also man update-rc.d |
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| 22:09.44 | chris-p | enouf: thanks :) |
| 22:10.11 | axolx | hey guys -- where can i see if there were problems running a crontab? im on etch and have no mail program |
| 22:10.16 | HellMind | Sebboh : I don't want to know how vmware does, I just want a simple normal iface without ip |
| 22:10.55 | onetinsoldier | chris-p: yeah, what enouf said. with update-rc.d you can control the order of startup scripts.. gl |
| 22:11.32 | Flexa | well i have to go now bye |
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| 22:12.01 | HellMind | ifconfig down del 192.168.10.11/24 |
| 22:12.01 | HellMind | 192.168.10.11/24: Unknown host |
| 22:12.13 | HellMind | this is stupid, where ifconfig store that cfg |
| 22:12.16 | Sebboh | HellMind: I see. if I recall correctly, there's an example for that in the brctl docs. Somebody pasted a link up there. ..Sorry, I don't remember exactly. I do recall that I configured mine to just use the configuration in /etc/networks/interfaces .. so then I just did ifup eth3 (or whatever) and it created the fake interface and put it on the bridge. |
| 22:12.19 | enouf | axolx: the only thing i can think of is to have your crontab run a script that contains your commands - and place a set -x in it |
| 22:13.00 | enouf | tuxcrafter: possible .. indeed - so even for root user it doesn't work? |
| 22:13.01 | Sebboh | HellMind: don't "unset" the ip, "set" it to 0.0.0.0, I think. |
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| 22:13.15 | axolx | enouf: what would that do? |
| 22:13.20 | HellMind | Sebboh: I know how to turn it on, but now I need to erase the previous ip configuration :( |
| 22:13.24 | enouf | tuxcrafter: some binaries, for whatever reasons need to be setuid root |
| 22:13.29 | HellMind | lets try :( |
| 22:13.40 | enouf | tuxcrafter: i am not saying to do that - but look into it |
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| 22:13.54 | MoRLoCh | HellMind: what about just bringing the iface down? |
| 22:14.50 | HellMind | 0.0.0.0 did the trick :D |
| 22:15.00 | HellMind | but now I can't turn off that iface :D |
| 22:15.12 | HellMind | at least now it works :D |
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| 22:15.22 | enouf | ... |
| 22:15.28 | AlexandreMBM | Hi! |
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| 22:16.11 | AlexandreMBM | I have a question about Debian's DVDs names. |
| 22:16.53 | tuxcrafter | enouf: i just sent bug report |
| 22:16.59 | tuxcrafter | the device works fine as root |
| 22:17.09 | tuxcrafter | and it has been working fine in the past |
| 22:17.16 | Sebboh | HellMind: can't.. turn off.. the interface? You *are* interface names to tell ifconfig what interface you'd like to play with, right? eth0, eth1, etc? |
| 22:17.19 | tosmo | i just compiled qtcurve for kde4 which i've installed from experimental. unfortunately systemsettings lacks a style configuration dialog. any suggestions on how to change style to qtcurve? |
| 22:17.21 | tuxcrafter | the behaviour of the system changed |
| 22:17.28 | tuxcrafter | it created an regression |
| 22:17.32 | tuxcrafter | an i hate regressions |
| 22:17.43 | tuxcrafter | because now i cant sign my debian package |
| 22:18.16 | tuxcrafter | hopefully there is an active maintainer on the package |
| 22:18.23 | HellMind | sure Sebboh, its called "down" to make it more fun |
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| 22:18.42 | HellMind | ifdown down doesn't do nothing |
| 22:18.46 | enouf | tuxcrafter: ok - try this too $ lshal | grep /dev/bus/usb (just to see if there are any other ones, like you thought) |
| 22:19.29 | onetinsoldier | tosmo: i recently installed kde4 here too. however, it's uinlikely anyone in here knows the answer to that, including me. however, someone in #kde might. or, you might also try #debian-kde |
| 22:19.38 | onetinsoldier | unlikely* |
| 22:19.48 | tosmo | thanks, didn't know about #debian-kde |
| 22:19.57 | onetinsoldier | me either, until today |
| 22:19.59 | onetinsoldier | yw |
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| 22:21.49 | enouf | tuxcrafter: and /proc/bus/usb/002/004 looks ok as well? |
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| 22:26.42 | tuxcrafter | enouf: damm i found the issue |
| 22:26.56 | tuxcrafter | i forgot to start the hal daeom |
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| 22:27.31 | tuxcrafter | somehow i always have to start hal before starting the pcscd daemon\ |
| 22:27.41 | tuxcrafter | not that i understeand why... |
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| 22:33.27 | tuxcrafter | atleast i can sign my package an finish the work |
| 22:33.49 | enouf | tuxcrafter: hal should be starting on it's own at boot time |
| 22:33.52 | tuxcrafter | i will keep the bug report open because it is till very confusing why i need hal to get the device to work |
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| 22:34.42 | enouf | well, if you do keep it open, you better modify/update it |
| 22:34.51 | tuxcrafter | enouf: i will |
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| 22:39.41 | tuxcrafter | done |
| 22:39.58 | tuxcrafter | nasty issue |
| 22:40.00 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 22:40.01 | dpkg | \o/ is, like, w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 22:40.26 | enouf | i;d think it needs hal so it can use dbus for communicating with the DE |
| 22:40.58 | tuxcrafter | i normaly start the service with a xbindkeyboard shortcut but since i changed to scheme style config i encounterd bugs that makes it not possble to use 0 to 9 in as shortcut |
| 22:41.03 | enouf | maybe it needs a depends on hal - that's now missing |
| 22:41.05 | tuxcrafter | that started my services in the past |
| 22:41.16 | dansushi | anyone have any suggestions on how many reserved blocks i should have on a terabyte hard drive that is not the main boot disk? |
| 22:41.38 | tuxcrafter | enouf: then why can the root user user the device perfectly |
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| 22:41.49 | tuxcrafter | last user should be use |
| 22:42.32 | enouf | dansushi: use as many as you like - default is 5% when using ext2/3 - try 2% or 1% |
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| 22:43.04 | tuxcrafter | anyway i am going to sleep it is far to late |
| 22:43.05 | enouf | dansushi: you can always alter it using tune2fs at any time |
| 22:43.07 | dansushi | enouf: the thing is if i use even 1%, i get 10gb used up, which seems like a lot |
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| 22:43.17 | tuxcrafter | enouf: thanks for the feedback always helpfull! |
| 22:43.31 | Guerin | dansushi: it's 10G oput of a terabyte, suck it up |
| 22:43.32 | enouf | 10G is nothing on a 1TB HDD |
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| 22:43.37 | dansushi | yeah, i'm using tune2fs right now to change it |
| 22:43.39 | enouf | tuxcrafter: welcome |
| 22:43.48 | dansushi | enouf: ok |
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| 22:44.09 | enouf | tuxcrafter: pmount is one of those things that enables users to mount without needing root |
| 22:44.19 | JNelson | Is there a cutting edge version of debian? |
| 22:44.34 | tuxcrafter | enouf: it think it has nothing to do with pmount :-p |
| 22:44.44 | enouf | tuxcrafter: it's an example |
| 22:44.55 | Guerin | JNelson: yes. |
| 22:44.58 | tuxcrafter | does not follow |
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| 22:45.16 | tosmo | JNelson: "experimental", not only cutting edge, even bleeding and sometimes broken ;) |
| 22:45.25 | Guerin | no, experimental isn't it |
| 22:45.32 | Guerin | experimental isn't even nearly complete |
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| 22:47.01 | mallxs | is a Chain in iptables handled like a subroutine or is it just a next list of commands run check and will it exit on the and of the chain ? |
| 22:47.45 | Sebboh | I think the word "laboratory" is useful in describing sid, because it connotes things that people are working on, but don't actually work yet. They'll let us know when it works, rest assured. |
| 22:47.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:48.27 | Guerin | and `experimental' is when you lend out your computer to the DDs to use as lab space, for experiments they're too scared to conduct on their own machines |
| 22:48.38 | rvalles | mallxs: you mean a table |
| 22:48.55 | rvalles | iptables != ipchains ;P |
| 22:49.23 | mallxs | rvalles: Yep it's a old habit of me |
| 22:50.00 | PeterFA | Anyone got sn9cxxx to work with Microdia PC Camera with Microphone (SN9C202 + OV9650) who is 0c45:628f? |
| 22:50.13 | Wyzard | Sebboh: sid works pretty well as a desktop for experienced users |
| 22:50.21 | PeterFA | Wyzard, I wouldn't try it. |
| 22:50.31 | Wyzard | Sebboh: "don't actually work yet" is usually not true |
| 22:50.31 | Guerin | PeterFA: that's prudent. |
| 22:50.33 | PeterFA | Then again, I wouldn't consider myself that seasoned yet. |
| 22:50.48 | mallxs | I would like to make a event on monitoring invalid logins on ssh and add a rule to iptables on the right place |
| 22:50.59 | Guerin | mallxs: just install fail2ban |
| 22:51.00 | rvalles | mallxs: yeah, it makes me feel old too :/ |
| 22:51.04 | Wyzard | PeterFA: I've been running sid as my main desktop for about 7 years |
| 22:51.08 | Guerin | mallxs: someone already did this for you |
| 22:51.11 | rvalles | mallxs: wait a sec... |
| 22:51.18 | rvalles | mallxs: "sshguard" |
| 22:51.24 | Wyzard | actually, more like 8 now |
| 22:51.24 | PeterFA | Guerin, not at all. There was a bug found in one of the .debs that did rm -fr * on / |
| 22:51.42 | Guerin | PeterFA: heh. Fun. |
| 22:51.49 | Tramp | mallxs: no, you mean chain. And yes, if the end of a user-defined chain is reached, control returns to the place right after from where it was called. |
| 22:51.49 | Guerin | i doubt it |
| 22:51.53 | Guerin | but it sounds nice |
| 22:52.14 | mallxs | at the moment i'm under attac every time i lock a source address the fool comes back on a other IP |
| 22:52.17 | PeterFA | Guerin, it executed a command, but the directory did not exist so it ended up dropping into /, and then it tried to clear the directory. |
| 22:52.26 | Guerin | heh, awesome |
| 22:52.32 | Tramp | mallxs: so you can make chains with LOG targets (which are not final) and the packets will be logged but processing continues |
| 22:52.41 | mallxs | ATramp thx |
| 22:52.42 | Guerin | that's what happens when people drink'n'hack |
| 22:52.46 | rvalles | basically the -j RETURN is the default policy |
| 22:52.49 | rvalles | for user chains |
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| 22:54.20 | enouf | PeterFA: got any more specifics? about which bug? which pkg? when? |
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| 22:54.48 | PeterFA | enouf, I can't remember, but I'm sure it's fixed. |
| 22:55.06 | PeterFA | enouf, I learned about it a long time ago. Convinced me not to use Sid. |
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| 22:56.47 | enouf | mallxs: fail2ban, denyhosts - both would work - debian-administration has articles about how to setup your own iptables to rate-limit incoming connections, and subsequent drop at too many attempts after a certain amount of tries in short time frame |
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| 22:59.24 | mallxs | enouf: I'm a fan of debian-administration.org will check it out |
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| 23:01.05 | stoned | enouf, ping |
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| 23:01.26 | PeterFA | enouf, know just how to get the sn9c2xxx driver? |
| 23:01.34 | PeterFA | enouf, I'm actually having a bugger of a time finding it. |
| 23:01.39 | enouf | mallxs: for ex http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 23:01.40 | PeterFA | enouf, it's for my Microdia webcam. |
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| 23:01.58 | PeterFA | enouf, it's supposed to be in the kernel tree but I didn't find it. |
| 23:01.59 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 23:02.26 | enouf | te junky signed off? |
| 23:02.30 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:02.47 | enouf | PeterFA: no idea |
| 23:03.06 | PeterFA | enouf, thanks anyways. |
| 23:03.36 | PeterFA | Is it package linux-headers to give me the source so I can do make a custom kernel? |
| 23:03.44 | PeterFA | (Or at least make a specific module) |
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| 23:04.04 | enouf | PeterFA: like this? http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/video4linux/sn9c102.txt |
| 23:04.47 | Sebboh | mallxs: don't react to new IPs, find a common thread in all the malicious traffic, and use *that* as a rule. ..This is general advice that might not apply to your current situation without installing something new that processes different kinds of rules. :P |
| 23:04.57 | PeterFA | enouf, mine's 202. |
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| 23:05.36 | PeterFA | enouf, good googling skill though... or at least you knew what to go for. |
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| 23:05.51 | PeterFA | enouf, that's the sn9c1xx though. |
| 23:05.54 | enouf | PeterFA: right - i only see the c10xxx versions http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27.8/drivers/media/video/sn9c102/Kconfig |
| 23:05.58 | stoned | enouf, do you have firefox? |
| 23:06.05 | enouf | stoned: nope |
| 23:06.11 | stoned | you suck |
| 23:06.16 | stoned | why the fuck not? |
| 23:06.20 | enouf | stoned: i have midori installed though you weenie |
| 23:06.23 | stoned | whats the matter with you? |
| 23:06.31 | stoned | whatever that is |
| 23:06.44 | enouf | stoned: i trim the fat - i loathe bloat - i abhore firepoop |
| 23:06.53 | PeterFA | I love Firefox. |
| 23:06.57 | stoned | yet you weight 300 fucking pounds |
| 23:07.00 | stoned | you fat fuck |
| 23:07.02 | stoned | :) |
| 23:07.04 | PeterFA | I just wish it's memory management didn't suck. |
| 23:07.23 | PeterFA | needs to focus on better grammer. |
| 23:07.27 | stoned | no but seriously man what do you have against firefox |
| 23:07.28 | PeterFA | grammar. |
| 23:07.35 | stoned | PeterFA, its irc no one cares |
| 23:07.45 | enouf | stoned: i weigh how much? |
| 23:07.48 | stoned | you're not writing a term paper |
| 23:07.51 | stoned | enouf, 1 metric ton |
| 23:08.03 | garou | testing==lenny ATM, right? |
| 23:08.12 | enouf | stoned: that's the force i can exert using my fists ... :-) |
| 23:08.12 | stoned | garou, correct |
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| 23:08.33 | stoned | enouf, can you talk ? |
| 23:08.38 | stoned | #debian-chat |
| 23:08.41 | PeterFA | garou, testing==sid right now. |
| 23:08.53 | garou | Anybody built the ATI driver on lenny lately? Or is there a preferred Debian way? |
| 23:08.55 | enouf | stoned: i am lean and mean baby - wanna see more from 'gramps'? |
| 23:08.57 | stoned | PeterFA, wtf |
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| 23:09.13 | stoned | PeterFA, testing is never sid |
| 23:09.13 | enouf | eh sonny? speak up - i don't hear so well :-P |
| 23:09.15 | garou | PeterFA: sid==unstable. |
| 23:09.18 | garou | Always. |
| 23:09.31 | stoned | sid = still in development |
| 23:09.48 | somnambulant | i use it.. |
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| 23:10.05 | garou | So, er, fglrx, anybody? |
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| 23:10.39 | onetinsoldier | garou: hello? what's up with fglrx? |
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| 23:11.13 | frog_ | hi, how can i list my audio input devces? |
| 23:11.29 | mallxs | Sebboh: What can be more common in a thread then the source IP ? |
| 23:11.48 | onetinsoldier | garou: ok, i see your post above. hang on... |
| 23:11.55 | mallxs | or did i mis the point here |
| 23:11.58 | jhambo_ | hi folks, I'm running lenny and when I try to install flashplayer-mozilla from the debian-multimedia repo I get some error about "unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so: No such file or directory". How can I get flash working? |
| 23:12.23 | garou | onetinsoldier: I'm going nowhere. :) |
| 23:12.24 | stoned | frog_, you have sound/alsa working? |
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| 23:12.41 | stoned | frog_, you need to go into alsamixer to see which stuff is good |
| 23:12.42 | rena1a | Olá pessoal, boa noite! |
| 23:12.48 | onetinsoldier | garou: i have fglrx 8.11 installed in lenny right now. i suggest that you be in X using the Vesa driver when trying to run the installer |
| 23:12.49 | stoned | as for input devices you look in /dev/ |
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| 23:13.37 | garou | onetinsoldier: I think I am, but still it won't build for me. |
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| 23:13.55 | frog_ | stoned: yes i have alsa. ok i will try. thank you |
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| 23:14.10 | rena1a | Alguém sabe conversar em português? |
| 23:14.14 | onetinsoldier | garou: you are in X, ok. what happens? it keeps a log too |
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| 23:14.23 | rena1a | Eu preciso de uma ajuda no squid |
| 23:14.24 | mallxs | Looks like i'm logging a bot net at the moment ... it's keep coming back from diff IP's but continues with the same user name |
| 23:14.32 | stoned | !br |
| 23:14.32 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:14.40 | onetinsoldier | garou: 3 log file to be exact |
| 23:14.42 | garou | onetinsoldier: Gonna paste is... |
| 23:14.46 | garou | Er, no. |
| 23:14.54 | garou | I mean, paste it in a pastebin. |
| 23:14.54 | rena1a | dpkg: obrigado amigo. |
| 23:14.54 | dpkg | rena1a: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:15.00 | Sebboh | mallxs: you said there is a guy attacking you from IPs, and whenever you block him, he starts using a new IP. So, IPs aren't a good method to tell a packet is from the attacker. What else you got? Destination? Content? .. Ahem, when the source Ip of the attacks changes, is there a request to you DNS servers .. from an IP.. that starts attacking you milliseconds later? :P |
| 23:15.14 | frog_ | stoned: well, i need to give my input audio device xvidcap. anyhow i don't know what i should type there |
| 23:15.21 | onetinsoldier | garou: roger that... no hurries, no worries |
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| 23:17.15 | mallxs | Sebboh: your a right i'm just checking the auth.log at the moment ... i will check the others |
| 23:17.41 | garou | onetinsoldier: http://rafb.net/p/GGI3nB40.html |
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| 23:17.48 | onetinsoldier | garou: k |
| 23:18.41 | garou | btw, this is a fresh install. It might lack packages that you'd consider obvious must-haves. |
| 23:18.45 | onetinsoldier | garou: yeah.. don't try to build a package... just install it. if you ever need to uninstall it then run /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh |
| 23:19.00 | garou | For instance, I lacked debhelper and had no idea what dh_ stood for. |
| 23:19.15 | garou | Um... Okay. |
| 23:19.38 | onetinsoldier | garou: i tried to get it to make me a package few times.. no dice |
| 23:19.59 | garou | I thought that was a special case for Ubuntu only. :( |
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| 23:20.32 | garou | Okay, restarting X, brb. |
| 23:20.41 | onetinsoldier | ok.. gl |
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| 23:22.24 | Sebboh | mallxs: you'd be surprised what you can acheive using sources of information that the attackers don't realize they are generating... The DNS I just mentioned is a really great example.. The attacker does some DDoS crap to you, great. But he also wants to check if his attack is sucessful, so he tries to visit your computer.. And, even if he's configured his browser to use some stolen socks proxy for all outgoing connections, he's probably |
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| 23:22.25 | Sebboh | not using v5 and his dns queries are probably going to hit your server.. SO, |
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| 23:23.07 | garou | Fail... |
| 23:23.28 | onetinsoldier | garou: hmmm, x failed to start? or...? |
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| 23:23.43 | Sebboh | check your server logs for dns requests *that don't match other requests*. Normally, normal user, you see DNS, then HTTP, or something, eh? If you see DNS from host a, then HTTP from host b, in malaysia, well, duh, host a is the real location of the bad guy. :) |
| 23:23.49 | nullboy | hey when i run the update manager it tells me that i need to fix the broken packages first, but it doesn't tell what. is there a method to do what it suggests? |
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| 23:24.21 | nullboy | i've ran the check multiple times but it doesn't help |
| 23:24.40 | themill | nullboy: what strange things have you been doing to apt recently.... |
| 23:24.43 | Sebboh | apt-cache clear; apt-get update |
| 23:24.46 | Sebboh | nullboy. |
| 23:25.03 | garou | onetinsoldier: ATI installer finished without errors. X restarted, no new driver, it seemed. Reboot, the same. Looking into Xorg.0.log right now. |
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| 23:25.09 | nullboy | themill: i haven't done anything strange, this system is a stock system fresh install, but yeah, i found it odd myself |
| 23:25.23 | onetinsoldier | garou: i think i know what it is... |
| 23:25.23 | garou | Ooooh, me stupid. |
| 23:25.31 | garou | So do I. :) |
| 23:25.34 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 23:25.45 | garou | aticonfig --initial=dualhead, IIRC |
| 23:25.49 | tosmo | someone knows where to find kwin headers? at least it isnt in kdebase-dev, kdelibs5-dev |
| 23:26.00 | themill | nullboy: "aptitude update ; aptitude -f install" should do it for you. |
| 23:26.32 | Sebboh | tosmo, Kde has a developers channel here on freenode. It's not #kde, but someone in there will know where it is. |
| 23:26.39 | onetinsoldier | garou: sounds about right. you might need to start with an empty xorg.conf for that command, tho i don't know that for sure |
| 23:26.41 | nullboy | Sebboh: apt-cache clear says invalid operation |
| 23:26.42 | garou | That's what you were thinking too, onetinsoldier? :) |
| 23:26.50 | Sebboh | it does? |
| 23:26.50 | themill | dpkg: tell tosmo about apt-file |
| 23:26.56 | nullboy | Sebboh: yes |
| 23:27.09 | themill | nullboy, Sebboh: it would be apt-get clean. But it won't help. |
| 23:27.10 | nullboy | i'm trying the aptitude method |
| 23:27.25 | Sebboh | It wont? |
| 23:27.31 | pipeline | tosmo: probably kde4libs source package |
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| 23:27.57 | Sebboh | themill, boy, I'm 2 for 2, huh? Time for a smoke break. =P |
| 23:28.18 | onetinsoldier | garou: well. i was going to ask if you had ever run the Xorg -configure command before.. if not, then do that. then you edit the xorg.conf file that makes in order to specify the flgrx driver. i don't know anything about setting up dualhed tho |
| 23:28.22 | themill | !coffee Sebboh |
| 23:28.23 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic International Roast Caterers Blend for Sebboh, courtesy of themill |
| 23:28.24 | nullboy | Sebboh / themill: the aptitude method seems to have figured out the issue, thanks guys |
| 23:29.36 | garou | onetinsoldier: aticonfig is the program that edits the xorg.conf for you. :) |
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| 23:30.40 | garou | Well, I used that, restarted X, X didn't start up again. |
| 23:31.21 | onetinsoldier | garou: yes.. i know. however. i one empeied out my xorg.conf file, then ran aticonfig --intial and that seemed like a very , uhhm what's the word... |
| 23:31.46 | onetinsoldier | garou: sparse for lack a better word, xorg.conf file |
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| 23:31.54 | nullboy | oh great, the system just kicked me back to a vt |
| 23:31.56 | nullboy | wonderful |
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| 23:32.37 | garou | Okay, this is not good... |
| 23:33.09 | onetinsoldier | garou: so, i ran the Xorg -configure command.. that made an xorg.conf file that looked much more like it. so then i just edited it as necessary and put fglrx in there as my driver.. much better imo |
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| 23:34.02 | onetinsoldier | s/one empeied/once emptied |
| 23:34.03 | garou | I can't cut and paste right now, but Xorg.0.log seems to imply that the driver is broken, I get a backtrace and Caught Signal 11. Server aborting |
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| 23:34.43 | garou | Same when I run Xorg -configure |
| 23:34.56 | onetinsoldier | garou: can't copy and paste? at all? |
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| 23:35.26 | garou | Mmmm... Might take a while. |
| 23:35.29 | onetinsoldier | garou: do you have gpm installed? |
| 23:35.41 | garou | No. |
| 23:35.47 | onetinsoldier | roger.. try it |
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| 23:36.17 | garou | <onetinsoldier> garou: can't copy and paste? at all? |
| 23:36.32 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 23:36.40 | garou | I like it. ^^ |
| 23:36.46 | onetinsoldier | cool :-) |
| 23:37.06 | garou | Okay, now I need a links... |
| 23:37.09 | PeterFA | How do I check for the latest installed kernel? |
| 23:37.12 | PeterFA | Not the current one? |
| 23:37.54 | onetinsoldier | PeterFA: uname -a? |
| 23:38.26 | onetinsoldier | perhaps unmae -r is more appropiate |
| 23:38.32 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 23:38.36 | onetinsoldier | uname -r |
| 23:38.45 | garou | onetinsoldier: //rafb.net/p/9bMmBQ39.html |
| 23:38.51 | onetinsoldier | garou: ok |
| 23:38.54 | PeterFA | onetinsoldier, that's for running kernel, isn't it? |
| 23:39.11 | themill | PeterFA: "ls /lib/modules" will show you versions of debian-packaged kernels. Also: dpkg -l linux-image-* |
| 23:39.15 | onetinsoldier | PeterFA: yes. i guess i didn't understand what you're looking for |
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| 23:39.29 | magyar | hi, need to clone an ntfs disk in debian, to another drive. How can i do this? |
| 23:39.32 | onetinsoldier | garou: hang on a minute |
| 23:39.58 | PeterFA | onetinsoldier, it's cool. |
| 23:40.02 | onetinsoldier | <PeterFA> How do I check for the latest installed kernel? installed to where? |
| 23:40.04 | PeterFA | themill, thanks. |
| 23:40.27 | onetinsoldier | PeterFA: ok, i see themill go it covered.. cool |
| 23:40.31 | onetinsoldier | got* |
| 23:40.45 | PeterFA | onetinsoldier, well, the one that if I were to reboot, it would load, assuming that apt-get dist-upgrade installed the lastest for my thing (lenny). |
| 23:41.07 | onetinsoldier | PeterFA: yes, what themill said |
| 23:42.11 | onetinsoldier | garou: i'm looking at it now. hang on a minute... |
| 23:42.19 | garou | onetinsoldier: Standing by. :) |
| 23:42.30 | themill | PeterFA: exactly which kernel is loaded will also depend on your grub/lilo settings of course. |
| 23:42.36 | MoRLoCh | magyar: are the disks the same size? |
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| 23:43.22 | PeterFA | themill, I let the system take care of that. |
| 23:44.02 | onetinsoldier | garou: is this fglrx 8.11? what is your kernel version? uname -r |
| 23:44.30 | garou | 2.6.24-etchhalf.1-amd64 and yes, 8.11 |
| 23:45.15 | themill | That fglrx isn't in debian... where's it from? Is it known to work with that kernel and with the xorg in etch? |
| 23:45.49 | garou | It's from the ATI website. |
| 23:46.07 | Guerin | then ask ATI for support |
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| 23:46.12 | onetinsoldier | themill: it can certainly be picky about the version of kernel that it works with, but i would think that it would work with 2.6.24. it works for me with 2.6.26 |
| 23:46.43 | onetinsoldier | garou: join me in #debian-offtopic if you like |
| 23:46.46 | themill | onetinsoldier: that's no guarantee at all... there's a reasonable chance that it doesn't even compile from one kernel release to the next. |
| 23:47.06 | themill | garou: if your card is supported by the driver that is in debian (8.47 is on backports.org) then you'd be much better off using that. |
| 23:48.30 | garou | themill: I'll try. Thing is, I've got a HD4850 and need 3D acceleration. Do I get it? |
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| 23:49.56 | themill | garou: no idea. The day that ATI (and other chip manufacturers) stop using random, unintelligible and conflicting numbers to describe their products, I'll start paying attention to them. |
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| 23:50.40 | enouf | frog_: to answer your orig question directly , try "lshal | grep device_file | sort" |
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| 23:51.12 | enouf | frog_: some are not audio related, but it's easy to tell which are |
| 23:51.27 | onetinsoldier | themill: since AMD took over.. that's what they'e doing with the numbering they are using now. |
| 23:51.36 | helpmegetyasm | How to install yasm 0.6.1 or higher? apt-get install yasm gave me the 0.5.0.1591 version |
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| 23:53.22 | frog_ | enouf: thank you!!! |
| 23:53.38 | magyar | MoRLoCh: nope the source is 160gb the destination 500Gb |
| 23:53.42 | onetinsoldier | no more 9700 Pro.. what does 'Pro' mean? no more X800XT or X800XL... which is better 'XT' or XL' ect... |
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| 23:55.13 | MoRLoCh | magyar: you can use dd to replicate the disk, and then use windows tools like the disk manager to extend the volume to use the whole disk |
| 23:55.31 | garou | themill: Thank you, I think I do get hardware accelleration: 5298 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1057.497 FPS |
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| 23:56.38 | bughunter2 | hey, nm-applet fails connecting to my wireless network, wpa_cli shows wpa_state=COMPLETED but i get no IP |
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| 23:56.49 | bughunter2 | i'm sure the DHCP server is running though, any ideas? |
| 23:57.06 | magyar | MoRLoCh: i dont need it for usage, just for backup poposes, to be able to read data after I format the original drive |
| 23:57.21 | magyar | is ntfsclone a doable solution? |
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| 23:57.44 | enouf | onetinsoldier: XT was always better than XL, iirc |
| 23:57.47 | MoRLoCh | magyar: I have never used it, so I can't help you there. I have used dd in the past tho |
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