IRC log for #debian on 20081207

00:00.23MoRLoChmagyar: looking at its man page, it would look so
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00:00.36enoufPeterFA: fwiw, there's always /var/log/dpkg.log as well
00:01.28magyarMoRLoCh: i use lenny, but ntfsclone is not in the repository, I installed ntfsprogs, but not included
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00:02.48MoRLoChmagyar: did you launch it as root? According to dpkg -L ntfsprogs|grep ntfsclone it should be in /usr/sbin
00:02.52enoufheh, i bet using the debian installer would even work fine for that magyar - just go to install on the drive containing ntfs, then when asked, tell it to copy the data over to your other drive ;0
00:03.13enoufi know it'll work fine for vfat - not sure about ntfs :-)
00:03.30magyarbahh, /usr/sbin
00:03.58magyarwhy would i need sudo for ntfsclone
00:04.00magyarhmm
00:04.09enoufoh .. and 160G will take a while :-P
00:04.17bughunter2can i run wpa_supplicant without configuration file?
00:04.21MoRLoChmagyar: because you're accessing a disk?
00:04.46enoufMoRLoCh: try dlocate and update-dlocatedb if you like ;-)
00:05.07MoRLoChenouf: sorry?
00:05.10enoufbughunter2: what?
00:05.19enoufMoRLoCh: as a dpkg -L replacement
00:05.32magyarsucks, I need to boot into dos and use ghost :(
00:05.39themillor even better, apt-file.
00:05.46MoRLoChenouf: ahh yes, but I like to look at packages :)
00:05.48enoufMoRLoCh: though dpkg -L works fine - sometimes it's a bit slow - that's all
00:05.49bughunter2enouf: well i have problesm with nm-applet
00:05.54bughunter2it won't connect to my wireless network
00:06.10bughunter2if i manually execute wpa_cli while nm-applet is busy, and i enter 'status' it shows wpa_state=COMPLETED
00:06.13bughunter2yet nm-applet fials
00:06.14bughunter2fails*
00:06.16bughunter2not sure why
00:06.18enoufmagyar: seen g4u and g4l ?
00:06.37magyaruh-huh
00:06.43magyarslow like molasses
00:07.10MoRLoChmagyar: why is dd or ntfsclone not good for you?
00:07.10enoufbughunter2: no idea - especially when nm-applet is involved
00:07.26enoufyeah magyar
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00:07.36bughunter2enouf: :(
00:07.38enoufwhy isn't one of those two good?
00:07.59enouf!wicd
00:08.05enoufnope
00:08.30magyarMoRLoCh: , enouf;  please ignore "sucks, I need to boot into dos and use ghost :("
00:08.31PeterFAenouf, you seem to really favor going through the information in the packages.
00:08.34magyari nissread
00:08.40magyarmisread
00:08.43PeterFAenouf, the ol' "horse's mouth."
00:08.50enoufbughunter2: why not toss nm-applet and do it the old fashioned way - in your interfaces file and with CLI tools
00:09.23bughunter2enouf: because nm-applet worked before for me :O
00:09.35enoufok - you fix it! :-P
00:09.41bughunter2i had to use wpa_supplicant manually before, but if nm-applet works i'd be happy
00:09.41bughunter2:P
00:09.51enoufbughunter2: maybe something in gconf-editor? no friggin clue
00:09.56bughunter2bah
00:09.57bughunter2~_~
00:09.58aptSTOP DOING THAT!
00:10.06bughunter2bah
00:10.06enouftry some gnoem channels and people
00:10.10bughunter2apt: what? :P
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00:10.55enoufok kids - gotta run for a while - babydoll desires my services ;-)
00:11.10MoRLoChcya enouf
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00:12.06magyarwow, good on you enouf
00:12.07magyar-_-
00:13.10bughunter2enouf: also i get this "Authentication with X timed out"
00:13.14bughunter2in wpa_cli
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00:20.37bughunter2enouf: i'm running wpa_supplicant manually now but wpa_cli can't connect to wpa_supplicant :O
00:20.45bughunter2"Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying"
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00:22.48dutchfishenouf, hi
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00:24.25smacnayCan one edit something like the email address on a gpg key?
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00:25.23dutchfishsmacnay, if i am correct the owner of the key need to send in an update
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00:29.42Guerinyeah, anyone can just edit some data on a gpg key
00:29.50Guerini mean, what's the harm?
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00:30.14Guerinit's not like the authenticity of the information therein is supposed to be mathematically secured or anything
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00:35.26castsmacnay: 'self signed' comes to mind. no, one can't edit it unless you have the private key to make a new signature. though, in reality, key servers are append only, so one with the private key can only add a new email, but can not remove any emails already there
00:36.07themillThat's all part of the non-repudiation aspect of signing.
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00:40.04jhambo_hi folks, I'm running lenny and when I try to install flashplayer-mozilla from the debian-multimedia repo I get some error about "unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so: No such file or directory".  How can I get flash working?
00:41.16polywafflejhambo have u considered using the Adobe website
00:41.20polywaffleand using the deb file
00:41.26polywafflefor ubuntu 8.04?
00:41.40jhambo_no... hmmm didn't know there was one...
00:41.46polywaffleI use it in lenny
00:41.52polywaffleit works *fine*
00:41.53jhambo_no problems?
00:41.54jhambo_score
00:41.56jhambo_thanks
00:41.59polywafflenp
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00:42.25polywaffleit will need to add some dependencies if u run kde
00:42.34bughunter2is there a way to install wpa_supplicant with ndiswrapper support?
00:42.40bughunter2it doesn't support the ndiswrapper driver
00:42.47polywaffleand it may ask you to do a apt-get -f install
00:42.54bughunter2or can i rebuild the package somehow, while not fudging up the apt-get package database?
00:43.19polywaffleim only guessing, but you could compile it and package it as a deb?
00:43.27polywaffleand then recontribute back
00:43.43bughunter2i'm new to debian, so if you could spoonfeed me a little :)
00:43.45jhambo_polywaffle: something I always wondered about installing .debs that are outside of the sources.list repos.  Is there some spe
00:43.51bughunter2polywaffle: .. ? :)
00:43.59jhambo_special way to unistall those packages?
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00:45.10castjhambo_: with dpkg
00:45.43polywafflelol I am new to debian too
00:45.50polywafflei want to learn how to package ChessDB
00:45.50bughunter2aww
00:45.56polywafflea program that replaces SCID
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00:45.58bughunter2nice!
00:46.02bughunter2i like chess too :)
00:46.05polywafflereally?
00:46.07bughunter2creating my own wxwidgets chess game atm.
00:46.08polywafflerating?
00:46.09bughunter2yep
00:46.09bughunter2:D
00:46.17bughunter2~1500-1600-ish
00:46.20jhambo_cast: does that mean I should save the .deb?
00:46.22bughunter2got busy with it a few weeks ago
00:46.25bughunter2and i like it very much
00:46.35polywaffleim 1435 according to australian ratings
00:46.37cast!tell polywaffle about nmg
00:46.44bughunter2cool
00:46.51smacnayWyzard: well, I can encrypt to others but not myself but that is all right.
00:46.52polywaffledo you play on freechess.org?
00:46.54bughunter2how can i create a deb for ndiswrapper?
00:46.57bughunter2yes polywaffle :)
00:47.04bughunter2i'm ~1800 there
00:47.05polywaffleadd me if u like
00:47.06polywaffleshind
00:47.13bughunter2add ?
00:47.14bughunter2how?
00:47.18polywaffle+notify shind
00:47.19bughunter2is there a friend list there? i didn't know
00:47.21bughunter2k
00:47.23jhambo_Its so cool the way xboard can play on FICS
00:47.24bughunter2doing that
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00:47.39castjhambo_: no need.
00:47.40onetinsoldieryou guys ever check out 'knights' for kde? @bughunter and polywaffle
00:47.50polywaffleI did , but it is unmaintained
00:47.51bughunter2it sucks, it requires qt3
00:48.00bughunter2ShinD added
00:48.01bughunter2:)
00:48.03polywafflexboard is likely superior
00:48.08polywafflethanks for adding me bughunter
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00:48.28bughunter2how can i build a .deb package ? i've compiled wpa_supplicant and i wnat to make a package now
00:48.34bughunter2so that i don't fudge up the apt-get package db
00:48.37bughunter2any help?
00:48.40onetinsoldierok, roger. i haven't tried xboard in about 2 eons. i will check it out again
00:48.44cast!tell bughunter2 about nmg
00:48.49bughunter2thx
00:48.49bughunter2:)
00:48.54castcheers for nmg
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00:49.36bughunter2cast: i'm sorry but it's such a large manual :O
00:49.40bughunter2where to look?!
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00:49.45polywafflebughunter are you bughunter on FICS?
00:49.46jhamboxboard is the best imho.
00:49.50castin the contents, probably
00:49.56bughunter2polywaffle: no, i'm "jelleg"
00:50.01polywafflenp
00:50.18bughunter2cast: yes, but i don't know how to get to the part about packaging
00:50.28bughunter2i'd have to look at all pages almost
00:50.38bughunter2sorry if it looks as if i'm whining :(
00:51.07polywafflebughunter does the makefile give uninstallation instructions?
00:51.08bughunter2wait
00:51.11bughunter2think i got something cast
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00:51.17bughunter2polywaffle: looking at it
00:51.30bughunter2polywaffle: nope
00:51.31bughunter2ugly :(
00:51.34polywaffleyes
00:51.35polywafflevery
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00:51.39lvhDamn the sexagesimal system.
00:51.43polywaffleso you will have to make those up for urself
00:51.44polywafflelawl
00:51.45polywaffle:)
00:51.59bughunter2i guess not, i think there is an automated way for detecting what it installs
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00:52.03lvhThere are slightly more seconds in a day than there are states of a uint
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00:52.50polywafflesurprised that they didn't compile for ndiswrapper support
00:52.56bughunter2installs fakeroot
00:52.58bughunter2yeah, really odd
00:53.00bughunter2oh well
00:53.02bughunter2nothing is perfect
00:53.04polywafflei think i know why
00:53.08bughunter2why?
00:53.09polywafflethe FOSS thing
00:53.14bughunter2hmm
00:53.15bughunter2could be
00:53.20castuint as in unsigned int which is probably 2^32?
00:53.21polywafflediscourages use of prop hardware
00:53.37bughunter2"cannot open debian/changelog for reading: no such..."
00:53.38bughunter2meh
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00:54.22dffhow do you spefify port in Mail
00:54.30lvhcast: uint is 16 bits, ulint is 32 bits, floats are 32bits too
00:54.31dffip:port ip port ip :port
00:54.33dffhow :/
00:54.54bughunter2cast: "tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory" is what i get when i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
00:55.00bughunter2can you help me with that?
00:55.10lvhcast: well, actually, you're right, I've been doing too much on 16 bit boxes. You've made me doubt what it is on intels
00:55.17dffoops
00:55.19dffwrong channel
00:55.42polywafflebughunter what card do u have for wireless?
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00:55.48bughunter2iwl3945
00:55.55bughunter2but that driver is now built into the kernel i think, and it's broken atm.
00:55.58polywafflebug
00:55.59bughunter2so that's why i chose for ndisrwapper
00:56.01polywafflei can help u with that
00:56.05polywafflei run lenny
00:56.07bughunter2i too
00:56.09bughunter2run lenny
00:56.10bughunter2:P
00:56.12polywaffleok
00:56.16polywaffleill tell u what i did
00:56.28bughunter2btw, how can i replace a package that is already installed, so that i don't have to uninstall  packages that depend on the package i want to replace?
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00:56.38polywaffleu dont have to do any of that
00:56.44polywafflei am going to pastebin what u need
00:56.50castbughunter2: just install the package, it'll upgrade it
00:57.13polywafflewhats the prog for pastebin?
00:57.29bughunter2cast: ok, well the last question is how to build the package correctly? because dpkg-buildpackage is not working
00:57.34bughunter2polywaffle: "nopaste" i guess
00:57.49bughunter2at least it was in some other distros
00:58.00polywaffleopen /etc/apt/sources.list
00:58.02polywafflethen
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00:58.12polywaffleput this repos in : deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
00:58.15castbughunter2: i don't know how to answer that :\ other than "by not doing it wrong" :D
00:58.20polywafflethen apt-get update
00:58.22bughunter2polywaffle: i'm not a n00b:P i already did that
00:58.27polywafflesoz
00:58.29polywaffleso what is wrong?
00:58.31bughunter2i have actually upgraded to lenny already ;)
00:58.33polywaffleit works on mine
00:58.34polywafflelol
00:58.35bughunter2what is wrong? ^
00:58.38bughunter2wireless problems
00:58.44polywafflei have the same card though
00:58.46bughunter2cast: well, :P help me? :P
00:58.51bughunter2polywaffle: are you using ndiswrapper?
00:58.54polywaffleno
00:59.03polywafflei use the native driver
00:59.07bughunter2how do you connect to your wireless network then? iwl3945? gnome network manager applet?
00:59.15jhamlinI installed the package "ssh" (on etch) which says it includes the server.  How do I turn the server on?
00:59.15polywafflenmapplet
00:59.16polywaffleyeah
00:59.27bughunter2well yeah but the native driver doesn't work here, it says something like IOCWLTFLAG bla doesn't exist
00:59.29bughunter2when i try ifconfig wlan0 up
00:59.39polywafflevery strange
00:59.43bughunter2so i figured it was broken
00:59.48bughunter2as ndiswrapper actually does work
00:59.54polywaffleno, it does work mate
00:59.58polywaffleive done it twice now
01:00.01bughunter2yes
01:00.02bughunter2on your hardware
01:00.06bughunter2mine might be picky
01:00.06bughunter2;)
01:00.08polywaffletrue
01:00.13polywafflebut its just a chipset
01:00.28bughunter2well yes, it worked before, but not with the latest kernel
01:00.37polywafflewhat kernel u have?
01:00.48bughunter22.6.26-1-686
01:01.01polywafflethat's mine
01:01.17polywafflebtw i didn't mean to make u out to be a noob-- sorry
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01:01.35bughunter2polywaffle: i know :P just playing
01:01.49polywafflejust surprises me that the native driver isn't working
01:01.50castargh. fuck.
01:01.55polywaffleis urs a lappy?
01:01.58bughunter2yes
01:02.01bughunter2cast: what's going on?
01:02.02polywafflewhich one?
01:02.06bughunter2Acer
01:02.11bughunter25633WLMi
01:02.13polywaffleok
01:02.18polywaffledoing some hunting around
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01:02.32froghi again. how could i "insert" mp3 into mpeg movie?
01:02.46castwas wondering why i was always getting 1230 instead of 123, then realised i had forgotten \n in the print statement and that my bash promt is set to $? \w\$
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01:03.07lvhfrog: mencoder (part of mplayer) and vlc will both do that
01:03.16bughunter2cast: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html
01:03.18bughunter2i'm following that
01:03.24bughunter2but dpkg-buildpackage doesn't work
01:03.42froglvh: thanks, will try
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01:03.49castand why doesn't it work.
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01:04.04bughunter2cast: i don't know? it says "debian/changelog: no such file"
01:04.17bughunter2i just ran dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot as said in the manual
01:04.27bughunter2i even dug around in the man page but no luck
01:04.45castthere was *5* chapters before that command bro,
01:04.56bughunter2ok dude :P
01:05.05bughunter2*reads*
01:05.20castwhat are you trying to make a package of anyway?
01:05.33bughunter2wpa_supplicant with the ndiswrapper driver supported
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01:05.55Guerin*sigh*
01:06.01castew, wireless. nfi.
01:06.02Guerinstupid ndiscrapper
01:06.10bughunter2Guerin: why?
01:06.14bughunter2iwl3945 isn't working :(
01:06.35Guerinbughunter2: then you're not doing it right, becaus ethat driver works fine.
01:06.42polywaffleso when u install it, u get that error u reported before?
01:06.46bughunter2well, care to help me then Guerin?
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01:06.51bughunter2i'ma bout to uninstall ndiswrapper and give iwl a try
01:06.54bughunter2wait, let me do that..
01:07.00bughunter2i am willing to sort this thing out
01:07.02bughunter2i'm sure it worked before
01:07.29bughunter2ok bai ndiscrapper
01:07.31Guerinusing ndiscrapper is like replacing the flywheel in your gearbox with one you made at home out of scrap steel rather than just going out and buying the proper part
01:07.39polywafflelol
01:07.42polywafflei agree
01:07.54bughunter2Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ndiscrapper"
01:07.55bughunter2:(
01:07.58bughunter2( ;) )
01:07.59bughunter2:P
01:08.02Guerinthe whole world would have been better off if people had just bought decent wireless gear ITFP
01:08.08jhamboMake sure the wireless power switch is on.  :P
01:08.12polywafflethat is true
01:08.14bughunter2jhambo: haha it is ;D
01:08.24bughunter2Guerin: well yep, i agree
01:08.29Guerin(and better still if wifi had been designed by engineers rather than marketeers)
01:08.31bughunter2but somehow i want it working, so i got a bit desperate
01:08.32polywafflecompanies need to write for each platform it is expected their hardware will be used with
01:08.32bughunter2:)
01:08.38castahaha.
01:08.49Guerinpolywaffle: or just release decent spec and have others do it
01:08.50polywafflebug please dont use ndiswrapper again
01:08.54polywafflethis is true
01:09.04bughunter2ok
01:09.06bughunter2well :)
01:09.16bughunter2how can i remove ALL packages that have to do with ndiswrapper?
01:09.17casti have a wired nic you can have if you'd like
01:09.21bughunter2something like aptitude purge ndiswr*
01:09.21bughunter2?
01:09.30polywaffledo u actually have to?
01:09.34bughunter2cast: well i was just trying to get wireless working, i do not really need it at home
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01:09.38polywafflecant u leave ndis there
01:09.39bughunter2polywaffle: yes i want this crap off
01:09.40polywaffleand get on with it?
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01:10.02polywafflei reckon someone just ssh into his system lol
01:10.03castbughunter2: you having wireless is useful for your neighbours and all, but i'm not so civic minded
01:10.11Guerinheh
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01:10.22bughunter2cast: my network is safer than most wireless networks actually
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01:10.28bughunter2i disable it after i know that it works
01:10.33bughunter2just to try and have some fun
01:10.41bughunter2experimenting :)
01:10.46polywafflebug u know u have to add the repos
01:10.52bughunter2they're already
01:10.57Guerinbughunter2: you mean someone has to physically break into your house and plug in a jack, then set their box and your box up right to access your wireless network?
01:11.00Guerinmy, that is a feat
01:11.01polywaffleso then just go into aptitude and add the iwl package
01:11.11bughunter2Guerin: lol..
01:11.17bughunter2polywaffle: yes, i know?
01:11.18bughunter2..?
01:11.27polywaffleit should at least install right?
01:11.31bughunter2yes?!
01:11.33bughunter2so?
01:11.35Guerinbughunter2: well, that's what it takes to directly access a wired network in most cases
01:11.36bughunter2what do you think i'm doing
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01:11.44bughunter2Guerin: yeah
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01:12.09bughunter2so, how to remove all packages with ndisrwapper in their name?
01:12.13polywafflehave u modprobe?
01:12.19bughunter2of course i have modprobe
01:12.22polywafflethen what?
01:12.23bughunter2i want to do something like aptitude purge ndiswrapper-*
01:12.35bughunter2polywaffle: just, what are you on to?
01:12.44polywafflei want to see at what point it screws up
01:12.48bughunter2i'm busy?
01:12.52polywaffleso i have something to work with
01:12.59bughunter2i want to take this easy and first learn a bit about aptitude
01:13.02bughunter2because i'm a new debian user :)
01:13.05polywafflekk
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01:13.32polywaffleshouldn't apt deal with reverse dependencies?
01:13.51castchaos, you guys rock.
01:14.04bughunter2Guerin: do you reckon i use firmware-iwlwifi or the native kernel mod?
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01:14.22Guerinbughunter2: i don't know, I've not set up 3945, only used it
01:14.28bughunter2ok :)
01:14.32bughunter2i'll give it a shot
01:14.32Guerini think the native one is more better
01:14.34bughunter2*grabs rifle*
01:14.41polywafflei use firmware iwlwifi
01:14.52GuerinISTR the one intel distributes with a firmware needs to run some tarded daemon or something
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01:15.06bughunter2ok now:
01:15.09bughunter2"ifconfig wlan0 up"
01:15.16bughunter2"SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory"
01:15.25bughunter2and iwconfig actually lists wlan0
01:15.34bughunter2lsmod | grep iwl shows iwl3945
01:15.40bughunter2(and ndiscrapper is gone btw)
01:15.48bughunter2that's the bug i was talking about
01:15.59polywafflewhat did u go with bug?
01:16.06polywafflefirmware-iwlwifi?
01:16.12bughunter2the native one
01:16.38polywafflecare to try the other
01:16.56bughunter2Guerin: want to help with this one?
01:16.59bughunter2^
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01:18.04bughunter2wow
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01:18.11bughunter2my system paniced when installing firmware-iwlwifi
01:19.00polywafflewhat did it say?
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01:19.10bughunter2it locked inside X so i couldn't check
01:20.04polywafflehmm
01:20.26bughunter2:O ifconfig works
01:20.28bughunter2after a reboot
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01:20.35polywafflegood
01:20.44polywaffletell us how it goes
01:20.49bughunter2trying to connect
01:20.57bughunter2fuck yeah
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01:20.58bughunter2works
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01:21.02polywafflethere u go
01:21.05bughunter2firmware-iwlwifi does actually work
01:21.06bughunter2odd!
01:21.08polywaffleif u had just listened to me at the start
01:21.11bughunter2the native one should be FAR better
01:21.12polywafflei use it damn it!
01:21.13polywafflelol
01:21.14bughunter2oh fuck off polywaffle
01:21.15bughunter2lol!
01:21.15bughunter2:D
01:21.23polywaffleim not useless
01:21.24polywafflelol'
01:21.26bughunter2:P
01:21.34bughunter2so, i at least experimented
01:21.37polywaffletrue
01:21.41polywafflei used to be a gentoo user
01:21.43bughunter2but still, i'm shocked by the bugged native driver
01:21.54bughunter2i used gentoo, sourcemage, slackware
01:21.55bughunter2:P
01:21.58bughunter2hate 'm all
01:21.58bughunter2:P
01:22.01polywafflewhy?
01:22.04polywafflegentoo is a great system
01:22.05bughunter2hours of text scrolling by! FUN!
01:22.09polywafflelawl
01:22.13klmannlol
01:22.19bughunter2Debian rocks
01:22.20bughunter2hard
01:22.20bughunter2:D
01:22.23polywafflegentoo is good if u know exactly what u want
01:22.28bughunter2i know what i want
01:22.34polywaffleright down to the drivers etc
01:22.34castand dont mind waiting a few hours for?
01:22.35bughunter2and i don't want genpoo with it's endless patches to every package
01:22.39polywaffleu can make a very tight system
01:22.44bughunter2i hate gentoo
01:22.45polywafflebut i use debian because it is quick
01:22.46bughunter2with a passion
01:22.51polywafflelol
01:22.55castwhat ahppens to a gentoo system thats left in the corner for a year? :)
01:23.00bughunter2haha
01:23.00polywafflei might send the LFS handbook ur way
01:23.07polywafflewhat cast?
01:23.08bughunter2i have done LFS already
01:23.09bughunter2:)
01:23.14bughunter2it's fun
01:23.17polywaffleis it?
01:23.23bughunter2well yeah, depends
01:23.44bughunter2ok nm-applet works, iwlwifi works, i'm happy
01:23.47bughunter2*disables wifi*
01:23.49polywafflegood
01:23.50polywafflelol
01:24.03polywaffleu crazy man, getting all lathered up about wireless just to disable it
01:24.04polywafflelol
01:24.08bughunter2yep
01:24.09klmannyeah me too, but it was kind of annoying to wait when i needed a package and it has to compile. also, the speed improvement was not that great on my experience. so when i knew enough about linux through gentoo, i switched to debian ;)
01:24.11bughunter2i'm crazy :P
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01:24.26bughunter2i just go for learning something, but i didn't really care about wireless
01:24.36polywafflei like gentoo's init scripts
01:24.46bughunter2besides, some say wireless is harmful, as are mobile phones and so on and every radio wave :P
01:24.54bughunter2so i am like: i don't care, let's just disable it
01:24.59polywaffleit's a bit strange that
01:25.04polywaffleppl saying that
01:25.07bughunter2yes
01:25.12bughunter2i do actually believe some of it is true
01:25.16polywafflelet me get my aluminium hat
01:25.19bughunter2since there are higher cancer rates lately
01:25.23bughunter2but you can never be sure
01:25.33bughunter2on the other hand i don't want to take it too serious
01:25.37polywafflehow can u be sure that there are higher cancer rates or higher reporting of cancer?
01:25.44bughunter2read some about it
01:25.50bughunter2but you can never be sure
01:25.59bughunter2with any information your ead
01:26.00bughunter2:P
01:26.07bughunter2but since i'm fine without wireless i disable it
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01:26.25polywaffleby the way, I think firmware-iwlwifi is a native linux solution
01:26.39bughunter2..
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01:27.09bughunter2it's not built into the kernel, or the native kernel module isn't updated
01:27.13polywafflealso play some more games on FICS before u tell me ur 1800 on there lawl
01:27.15bughunter2either way i'm happy
01:27.23bughunter2polywaffle: yeah i forgot to say that
01:27.25bughunter2(honestly)
01:27.28polywafflelol
01:27.30bughunter2we were too busy chatting
01:27.37polywaffle:P
01:27.39klmannyeah. i've heard a story, where a big telephone corporation installed an antenna for mobile phones near to a apartment building and the residents complained about the waves from the antenna
01:27.47bughunter2lol
01:27.58klmannthey've said they cannot get any sleep
01:28.02bughunter2ok kthx bai ndiswrapper :D i'll never need it again
01:28.06bughunter2klmann: interesting
01:28.08polywafflejust because it is an external module that doesn't really make it non-native does it?
01:28.22bughunter2polywaffle: we call native modules the ones that are BUILT INTO the kernel
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01:28.26bughunter2like, they are included with the kernel
01:28.30bughunter2with the sources
01:28.30polywafflei know u can feel radio waves of high intensity
01:28.30klmannso the corp said, yeah. how much worse will it be if we actually turn this thing on? ;)
01:28.32polywaffleu cant include it
01:28.34bughunter2firmware-iwlwifi is NOT
01:28.36polywaffleit would violate the GPL
01:28.41bughunter2polywaffle: listen..
01:28.48bughunter2it's included in the sources from kernel.org
01:28.52bughunter2that's what we call native
01:28.59polywafflelawl
01:29.03polywafflefair enough
01:29.04bughunter2and iwl3945 does not violate the GPL
01:29.07bughunter2afaik
01:29.09polywafflewell..
01:29.13polywafflethe firmware does arguably
01:29.19polywaffleid ask RMS about that
01:29.24bughunter2i'd not care
01:29.27bughunter2too much
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01:29.34bughunter2in the end we're happy if our stuff works
01:29.40polywaffleah
01:29.40bughunter2and the software itself is still free, at least to me
01:29.47polywafflelol
01:29.50bughunter2=)
01:29.53polywafflebut u cant get into the firmware
01:29.59polywafflethe binary blob
01:30.03bughunter2i'm idealistic too, but RMS is way more pedantic about it :P
01:30.20polywaffletrue, but he honestly is the one who cares about our freedom
01:30.29bughunter2sure, i like him, and sometimes i don't
01:30.30bughunter2:P
01:30.31polywafflehe is like Jesus of the computer world.
01:30.33jhamlinin Lenny, is synaptic I good idea or a bad idea to use?  I've been using aptitude exclusively but it's sometimes a pain if I wanna browse through the packages and install a lot of stuff...
01:30.34bughunter2well, hes not
01:30.39bughunter2if that's true, bill gates is too
01:30.42polywafflenol
01:30.43polywaffleno
01:30.46bughunter2yes
01:30.51polywafflebill gates is the satan of the computer world
01:31.00bughunter2jhamlin: why not use synaptic? if you want to?
01:31.19polywafflehey bug, i have to go
01:31.22polywafflegood chatting man
01:31.22bughunter2sure :)
01:31.24bughunter2catch you later
01:31.26polywafflecya
01:31.27polywaffle:)
01:31.29jhamlinbughunter2: I have no idea... just wanna do things the "righ way"
01:31.29Tramp!tell jhamlin about synaptic
01:31.32c0m1jhamlin: I use synaptic when I'm not sure what I want
01:31.33jhamlinright
01:31.43klmannpolywaffle: yeah, but if i were bill gates, i would do exactly the same ;)
01:31.43bughunter2jhamlin: synaptic is _not_ the wrong way
01:31.45jhamlinah Tramp ty
01:31.47jhamlincool
01:31.53bughunter2why would it be included by default otherwise?
01:32.10bughunter2use whatever suits you, synaptic will work just as fine
01:33.35klmanni've read that if you use aptitude over apt-get, you should comtinue using aptitude. whats the big deal about that?
01:34.30Tramp!tell klmann about aptitude
01:34.48bughunter2klmann: use whatever you like, but aptitude is better, in the way it handles certain things
01:34.55klmanni mean ok, aptitude is far more usable than apt-get. but i'm just curious
01:34.57bughunter2like removing unneeded packages
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01:35.13bughunter2it's just friendlier, all in one command
01:35.16bughunter2instead of using dpkg / apt
01:35.35klmannall right, ive read it. nvm
01:35.44bughunter2is there a pulseaudio applet for gnome?
01:35.45klmann;)
01:35.48klmannyes
01:35.53klmann@bighunter2
01:35.57bughunter2gimme?
01:36.00klmann*bughunter2
01:36.04klmannmom
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01:37.23klmannok either its installed by the pulseaudio package or if you do not find it, i can boot my laptop, its installed there
01:37.49klmannso, do i have to move? ;)
01:38.08bughunter2i can start the volume control thingie manually
01:38.13bughunter2but i can't get the applet into the gnome panel
01:38.16sunnHi. I had debian-multimedia enabled for a while, and thus have some packages from that repository installed. I've disabled the repo now, and I'm looking for a way to find packages installed from debian-multimedia, and remove them/downgrade them to official package. any ideas?
01:38.55klmannbughunter2: the thing that is in the panel is called pulse audo manager. try starting that one
01:38.59bughunter2wait
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01:39.04bughunter2i found a pulseaudio applet
01:39.27klmannbughunter2: nice :)
01:39.29bughunter2the manager won't insert itself in to the panel klmann
01:40.05klmannbughunter2: what does it do? what do you mean by "insert itself"?
01:40.18bughunter2well i suppose it would create a panel icon when i start it?
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01:42.24klmannbughunter2: but you have a notification area in your panel, don't you?
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01:42.34bughunter2yes..
01:42.43klmannbughunter2: ok let me boot my laptop ;)
01:43.06bughunter2k ;)
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01:44.49kyrixis there a way to login into gnome via remote desktop from a windows machine?
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01:45.01bughunter2perhaps VNC
01:45.31bughunter2kyrix: theres this "Remote Desktop" in "System -> Preferences"
01:45.39bughunter2it sets up a VNC server and hosts a tiny web server too
01:45.43bughunter2to serve the VNC java applet
01:46.33kyrixbut i can only logon to the current logged on user. not into gdm
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01:47.23joakim_good evening all
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01:49.48klmannbughunter2: ok, sad story, i have removed pulseaudio from my laptop too.. but i am sure there was an application that resides in the notification area once started
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01:50.16bughunter2well yes the default gnome vol applet
01:50.21bughunter2but not something from pulse
01:51.33klmannno its not the default applet. its not an applet. pulseaudio does not give you a volume control applet
01:51.40bughunter2i'd like that
01:51.51bughunter2gnome applet gives me PCM and such devices from alsa
01:51.55bughunter2but i want just one audio source
01:51.57bughunter2namely pulse
01:51.58klmannbut why? the volume control applet worked for me on pulseaudio too
01:52.03bughunter2i know
01:52.07bughunter2so let's get that working
01:52.08klmannok thats a point
01:52.18bughunter2but a pulse applet would be even sweet
01:52.20bughunter2sweeter*
01:52.32bughunter2since it allows me to change per-app volume easily
01:53.40bughunter2ok i can get it to control pulse's volume, but now to get it to do that automatically after logging in to gnome
01:53.47klmannyes it would. but the pulse manager which resides in the notification area lets you open up a context menu where you can click on volume control an control the apps volume
01:53.51bughunter2yay
01:53.54bughunter2it remembers my choice
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01:54.01bughunter2ok i'm happy =)
01:54.09klmann;)
01:54.15bughunter2yes i know klmann but i hate that thingie :P
01:54.24bughunter2i want it even easier, just one click to get to the volume
01:54.27bughunter2;)
01:54.42bughunter2pretty sweet, it works
01:55.05klmannyou can do that by starting an open source project and learn python/whatever fits to you and write it ;)
01:55.18bughunter2i know a lot of programming languages
01:55.23bughunter2i just don't really like python
01:55.31bughunter2:P
01:55.43bughunter2but it's not like i care that much, at least for the moment
01:56.17klmannand thats exactly the reason i didnt start writing that applet ;)
01:56.23bughunter2=D
01:56.27bughunter2haha
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01:56.36bughunter2but it'll be there some day
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01:57.02bughunter2hmm, no openoffice3 yet in lenny
01:58.36klmannwho needs openoffice when you have vim + latex :p
01:58.53bughunter2well, i need it for those fancy teachers who use the DOC format
01:58.57bughunter2X_X
01:59.03bughunter2i figure i'd give OO3 a try
01:59.54castteachers that dont accept .pdf for things they aren't going to edit should be...
02:00.03klmannwell then thank the lord that i am studying computer science and therefore we get everything in pdf and our teachers want us to send it in pdf ;)
02:00.04bughunter2shot
02:00.09bughunter2and if they survive shot again
02:00.22bughunter2klmann: i'm going to study CS in february next year :D
02:00.33klmannnice
02:00.38bughunter2well, i don't know if i'll learn a lot or not
02:00.49bughunter2in my opinion if you want to become a coder you have to do things yourself
02:00.50klmannwhere are you gonna study it?
02:00.56bughunter2coder / software engineer
02:01.11bughunter2i live in The Netherlands klmann
02:01.44casti dont have any formal CS education, but i think it would be a very good idea
02:02.40klmanni live in germany ;)
02:02.44bughunter2how again can i execute a command for a list of files, even those with spaces in it?
02:03.02bughunter2like for i in `find -name "bla.bla"`; do echo $i; done
02:03.09bughunter2and it should work even for bla.bla files in directories with spaces
02:03.16castman find probably has an example
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02:03.34castfor i in *; do echo "$i"; done
02:03.45bughunter2no, it needs to find it in subdirs too
02:03.55bughunter2and bash uses the space as delimiter
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02:04.05castyou just said a list of files:!:!@ :<
02:04.09bughunter2:P
02:04.10bughunter2lol
02:04.19castso what do you want to do.
02:04.29castresize your porn collection to fit on a ipod touch?
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02:04.36bughunter2busted.. :(
02:04.47bughunter2i despise ipod
02:04.56castmy flatmate does a lot of rencoding to achieve that goal :\
02:05.00bughunter2anyway, what i said.. files in subdirs (subdirs with spaces in their names even)
02:05.10bughunter2and i need to execute a command for each of those files
02:05.24klmannwhat command?
02:05.26bughunter2but if i just do the command i gave above i get three commands executed for ONE file, becuase there were two spaces
02:05.31klmannmv, cp.. ?
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02:05.34bughunter2for i in `find -name "bla.bla"`; do echo $i; done
02:06.07bughunter2i remember using the 'read' or 'xargs' command
02:06.20castfind /tmp -name core -type f -print0 | xargs -0 /bin/rm -f
02:06.23castyay for man pages
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02:06.34castman, someone should have told you there might be an example on the man page
02:06.40casti should remember that for next time.
02:06.54bughunter2lollercaust
02:07.08bughunter2i was trying to search google since i remembered a page
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02:10.51bughunter2now to get virtualbox working..
02:11.05Trampdon't use find | xargs. Use find ... -exec ....+ instead (or, for the rm-case find ... -delete)
02:11.18bughunter2hm
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02:12.15Tramp(or, better even, -execdir ... + if possible, which it usually is)
02:12.53castis there anything /wrong/ with using find|xargs/
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02:15.20Trampcast: yes. It's not necessary. Thus it's like cat | grep
02:15.44bughunter2there are always better ways, it's just what you're used to
02:15.48bughunter2it's not necessarily wrong
02:15.50casti'd say thats more a matter of style :P
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02:17.31klmannuseless use of cat ;) but i have to admit that im doing the cat | grep thing too
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02:20.39casti get used to everything accepting stdin
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02:21.10castbut not everything accepts a filename argument,
02:21.12CutMeOwnThroatyou mean like cat somefile |cat |cat |cat |cat |dog ?
02:21.54klmannive caught myself doing that too, because i didnt want to think about regexp ;)
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02:32.26mallxsTramp: I did create a script http://pastebin.com/m69bbed94
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02:37.35Trampmallxs: I hope you don't want me to do a code-review and write a report about it.
02:37.45mallxslol
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02:49.44amphi!gr
02:49.44dpkgfrom memory, gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el.  General Resolution
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02:50.18LightKnightProblem: when the disk is under heavy strain, my PC slows down terribly. Is there a way to relieve the pain? E.g., once upon a time I used irqtools to put the disk on low priority, can I hope for something similar in 2008? Or what else?
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02:51.01bughunter2hi, is it possible to just install ONE package from Sid?
02:51.10bughunter2i don't want to run unstable but i want an updated VirtualBox
02:51.14bughunter2lenny has 1.6.6
02:51.17bughunter2while 2.0.6 is already released
02:51.27mallxscast; iptables -n -L LockoutSSH | grep DROP | awk '{print $4}' > badlist.cur
02:51.34mydrmeixbackports.org
02:51.38LightKnightbughunter2: try using the pinning.
02:51.38mydrmeixnot sid
02:52.08solid_liqanyone have any recommendations for a good wiki package to install on my webserver?
02:52.15castsolid_liq: dokuwiki!
02:52.17bughunter2LightKnight: pinning? with aptitude or what?
02:52.22bughunter2what exactly is it?
02:52.41LightKnight!pinning
02:52.42dpkgPinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list.  man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning  Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html  If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
02:53.11bughunter2so i shouldn't add sid at all to my sources.list
02:53.15solid_liqcast: cool, thanks! :)
02:53.18bughunter2right?
02:53.42Trampbughunter2: no, you should not.
02:53.54LightKnightbughunter2: Actually you should. Follow links to know more. But, as they said, backport is a better solution, if available.
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02:53.59bughunter2~_~
02:54.00aptSTOP DOING THAT!
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02:54.24bughunter2one says i should, the other says i shouldn't
02:54.30LightKnightStop what, Sir? :-)
02:54.31bughunter2now i wonder about the reasons ..
02:54.54LightKnightbughunter2: for pinning you should (IIRC), for backporting you shouldn't.
02:55.15bughunter2i don't know what i should do
02:55.20bughunter2i only know that i want virtualbox 2.0.6
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02:55.33Trampbughunter2: you cannot just "pull in a package from sid" since it will pull in it's dependencies, most notably the libc. So check on backports.
02:55.34bughunter2backports doesn't have it
02:55.41bughunter2yes Tramp, that's what i thought
02:55.45bughunter2but backports doesn't have it
02:56.04LightKnight"it's dependencies"? :)
02:56.15LightKnightOr better, "*it's* dependencies"? :)
02:56.15bughunter2LightKnight: "its"
02:56.20LightKnight:-)
02:56.24Tramp!tell bughunter2 about simple sid backports
02:56.30bughunter2:)
02:56.31bughunter2thanks
02:56.36amphiTramp: you _might_ be able to build the sid src package
02:56.51Trampamphi: I don't want to build any package 8)
02:56.58bughunter2ok so i'm going to add deb-src for sid
02:57.03bughunter2if i understood it
02:57.09amphiTramp: sorry, tabtarding
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02:57.18bughunter2!wiki VirtualBox
02:57.32bughunter2!make_me_0xc0ff333
02:57.34bughunter2..
02:57.43bughunter2Tramp: what about http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox?
02:57.47bughunter2tells me to compile it by myself
02:58.24bughunter2but if i do that, i do not have any good way to clean up my system if i want to remove the package
02:58.30bughunter2so that's a bit ugly
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02:59.03bughunter2Tramp: can you help me deciding what to do?
02:59.20bughunter2i guess i should do add sid deb-src then compile from there?
02:59.26bughunter2-do
02:59.28Trampbughunter2: nope, sorry. I don't know enough about virtualbox and don't feel like researching.
02:59.49bughunter2well, treat it like any package Tra
02:59.51bughunter2Tramp*
02:59.54bughunter2e.g. it's coreutils
03:00.12bughunter2now, suppose theres a new fancy version of coreutils, and i need it for some reason
03:00.22amphibughunter2: build a src package and install it with dpkg -i ?
03:00.25bughunter2if i compile it manually and then install it, theres no nice way to clean it up (i.e. purge/remove it)
03:00.34bughunter2amphi: yeah i suppose so, it's just that i'm new to debian
03:00.40bughunter2but i want to learn ..
03:00.54amphibughunter2: I believe the debian reference describes how to do this
03:01.30Trampwell, making a backport for some obscure virtualization-package does not look like a first step /I/ would take learning a new distribution - but that's just me.
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03:01.49bughunter2Tramp: what's obscure about it? :P
03:01.58Trampmaybe I'd try it in a virtual environment ...
03:02.03amphiheh
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03:02.26bughunter2not a bad idea but my laptop is just a clean install, i could reinstall it easily
03:02.28bughunter2hehe..
03:02.48amphibughunter2: with vbox, you can have extra fun with the kernel module and program versions
03:02.58bughunter2amphi: how so?
03:03.07bughunter2you mean updating the kmod?
03:03.15Trampproblem is, that a virtualization may not run in a virtual environment, so there's a catch 22
03:03.15kyrixbughunter: to compile and make a package you can also try checkinstall
03:03.29amphiugh
03:03.38bughunter2Tramp: that's not the issue, the issue is just getting the package build
03:03.44bughunter2btw, i now added deb-src for Sid
03:03.53bughunter2apt-get update is done
03:04.11bughunter2if i apt-get build-dep virtualbox-ose, i get a large list of packages to be updated
03:04.13bughunter2do i want that? :P
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03:04.34mydrmeixdo you want those packages?
03:04.42bughunter2a lot of X packages are included
03:04.48bughunter2as well as gettext/gcc
03:04.54bughunter2even lynx O_o
03:05.02bughunter2i don't want that?
03:05.11bughunter2i only want to build virtualbox, i don't need an unstable lynx for that
03:05.14mydrmeixthats the only src available?
03:05.15thinkgoside pa
03:05.22bughunter2mydrmeix: i don't know, how to check?
03:05.32superjet_busyvim can't bring out its window under screen just hang up, what's the problem?
03:05.37bughunter2something like apt-get build-dep virtualbox-ose/sid ?
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03:05.49mydrmeixhit / in aptitude and type a string, then hit n till u find what your looking for
03:05.58bughunter2k
03:06.11mydrmeixi havent install virtualbox, but I know aptitude
03:06.18amphibughunter2: I think you should spend a bit of time with TFM before proceeding
03:06.26Neversoftcan someone help me convert this .cpp file into 64bit?
03:06.53bughunter2i see "v   virtualbox-source      <none> <none>" in the list mydrmeix
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03:08.17mydrmeixis ose something special?
03:08.30bughunter2it means opensource edition of virtualbox
03:08.36bughunter2amphi: which part exactly?
03:08.49mydrmeixi iunno
03:08.54bughunter2thanks
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03:10.47mydrmeixget the source and build a deb
03:10.59bughunter2from the official website you mean?
03:11.07mydrmeixconfigure will be for your etch install
03:11.08bbelt16agN
03:11.21bughunter2what do you mean?
03:11.50mydrmeixwhen you ./configure, it looks for everything, and if its minimum requirements reach what you have installed as etch it will work
03:11.58bughunter2just my thought
03:11.59mydrmeixand the deb makes it part of the distro
03:12.02bughunter2yep
03:12.06bughunter2that's exactly what i wanted
03:12.18bughunter2so i can just use the source from the official website right? just to make sure i'm not making mistakes
03:13.18bughunter2mydrmeix: :O they have a .deb on the virtualbox site for lenny
03:13.25mydrmeixyeah but its svn... so current it might not compile
03:13.26bughunter2that's sweet, guess i'll just grab that
03:13.30bughunter2yes i know
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03:15.48bughunter2mydrmeix: is it possible to have debian update the vboxdrv kmod when a new version is installed?
03:16.06bughunter2on the http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads page they say it's possible with "dkms" for Ubuntu
03:16.12bughunter2i wondered if theres something like that for Debian
03:16.52mydrmeixi see virtualbox-ose for etch backports
03:17.01bughunter2yes version 1.6.6
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03:19.37bbelt16aghey peeps I got a question when will the latest  bittornado version 18 be move to the stable packages?
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03:21.30bughunter2what do most users use in here? etch/lenny/sid?
03:21.39dmoernerbbelt16ag: it will only become stable when lenny goes stable and etch is oldstable. /msg dpkg stable and /msg dpkg wwlr
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03:22.08mydrmeixwell the java devolper that I met didnt complain that I knew debian
03:22.10CutMeOwnThroatand even then...  what version is "the newest"
03:22.23dmoernerbughunter2: i run sid but it is entirely subjective to see who will respond
03:22.27bughunter2btw, a lot of people i talked with about distros say debian is too outdated or not gettings things into "stable" fast enough. can anyone comment on that or say why it takes longer with debian?
03:22.41nullboyputs on the nomex
03:22.47Qewbecause they don't understand what stable means
03:22.52amphibughunter2: depends what fpr - many people use lenny on personal machines, I think
03:22.59bughunter2Qew: that's what i thought
03:23.05bughunter2i use lenny too
03:23.13polywaffleu still on here
03:23.16bughunter2Qew: i noticed that, at least with Debian things WORK
03:23.26amphiit's been working well for me for many months
03:23.29bughunter2with other distros things are too easily bjorked after some updates
03:23.39bughunter2especially Arch
03:23.47polywafflelenny is good
03:23.47bughunter2at least from my experience
03:23.55CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, releases only happen every couple of years you can /msg dpkg release history
03:24.01Qewif they want more cutting edge, then go with Testing, or if you're more impatient, Sid. Silly idea that Stable means cutting edge.
03:24.19polywaffleQew I agree
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03:24.40polywafflewould u say that Red Hat is to Fedora as Stable is to Lenny?
03:24.45bughunter2Qew: cutting edge != stable usually, if i get it right?
03:24.55CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, so the stable release is necessarily outdated most of the time... but then - that's what makes it stable (and you can always backport single packets from lenny)
03:25.01yitz_Any clue if a SanDisk Sansa can be accessed in Debian?
03:25.35bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but it makes upgrading more fun too :D
03:25.42polywaffleif it cannot why not recompile the kernel?
03:25.44castyitz_: what is it?
03:25.49CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, how so?
03:26.09bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: if you dist-upgrade once in a while you can see more improvements
03:26.17bughunter2than when you use a "cutting edge" distro
03:26.18yitz_An MP3 player
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03:27.06bughunter2got virtualbox working, thanks
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03:28.12CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, ah, I thought you meant... "fun" :) - as in more stuff breaks... right now, I would suggest most people to install lenny, because it's already frozen for so long... so it should be reasonably stable compared to the normal testing and you save going through a lot of the update...
03:28.26bughunter2yeah
03:28.55CutMeOwnThroatalso, if they do so, they can help improving lenny before the release ;)
03:29.11bughunter2;)
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03:29.57CutMeOwnThroat... which is good for everyone, I guess - getting things fixed now is probably to be preferred to getting it fixed in stable
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03:31.56bughunter2hmm need to get a bridge automatically setup @ boot
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03:34.55bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: i guess i need to create my own script to setup a network bridge at startup?
03:35.07Grueliuswhat app would you reccomend to test my md raid5 array's performance
03:35.28bughunter2rm -rf
03:35.35Grueliusha ha ha
03:35.38bughunter2:p
03:36.00mydrmeixhow can I tell hal to mount a cdrom to /media
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03:37.12mydrmeixseems like mount and someimes cd's mount themselves it too much
03:37.23bughunter2cds like to get mounted
03:37.27bughunter2hmm
03:40.20bughunter2actually debians rc.d way is pretty neat, easily maintainable for software writers
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03:43.48bughunter2amphi: i've just installed debian as virtual machine too, so i can play with the friendly manual (;)) and learn about debian
03:43.53bughunter2=)
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03:48.47CutMeOwnThroatGruelius, bonnie bonnie++?
03:49.13Grueliusis there anything with a GUI tho?
03:49.27Grueliusi found those using google but would prefer something a bit more simple :P
03:49.41CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, /msg dpkg bridge setup
03:49.50bughunter2nice
03:50.05bughunter2actually i already set it up now, but i'll read that anyway
03:50.09CutMeOwnThroatgui? for hardware performance?
03:50.15CutMeOwnThroataeewww
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03:50.37CutMeOwnThroatGruelius, well, try "apt-cache search disk performance"
03:50.47CutMeOwnThroathm
03:50.53CutMeOwnThroatnot a good search, bonnie doesn't come up
03:51.15CutMeOwnThroatbonnie's the thing agaik
03:51.24CutMeOwnThroatyou can also do hdparm -t -T
03:51.43Grueliusi got told hdparm isnt that reliable for accurate info
03:51.44CutMeOwnThroatbut I think that mainly tests the buffered performance
03:52.35CutMeOwnThroatseems there's also an iozone3 package
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03:52.57CutMeOwnThroatwell - if you don't like all the tools that are around for one or another reason, I guess you must write your own :0
03:53.18CutMeOwnThroatoh, cool, there's a sip-tester package
03:53.24castGruelius: bonnie++ comes with zcav, which is neat
03:53.31spencercornynhi all... anyone in here use puppy linux?
03:53.51castspencercornyn: #debian, what do you think?
03:53.55CutMeOwnThroatthis is #debian
03:53.56CutMeOwnThroatguess
03:54.06CutMeOwnThroatcast, haha :)
03:54.46spencercornynwell, i seem to have a adobe flash problem with it.. i am just wondering if its a bug or is it suppose to be like this?
03:54.51bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: awesome, that man page helped me cleanup the network/interfaces script =)
03:54.53bughunter2thanks!
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03:55.07jamonman pages++
03:55.07CutMeOwnThroat:)
03:55.26bughunter2linux is no fun
03:55.28bughunter2it all just works
03:55.30bughunter2at least with debian
03:55.37stewspencercornyn: ask #puppylinux
03:55.37spencercornynsince its running off ram... the youtube videos and others cannot maximize to fit the full screen.. is it puppy or is it just my computer?
03:55.43bughunter2(do i get some extra points now? =)
03:55.46bughunter2puts up puppy eyes
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03:56.11castspencercornyn: adobe flash does suck, on puppy or debian,
03:56.58spencercornyntried to use DSL but it doesn't come preinstalled with all the goodies...
03:57.09spencercornyni like puppys interface better too...
03:57.13jamonand debian..
03:57.21spencercornynyes and debian
03:57.22CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, bah... plug in the newest ultra-cool nvidia/ati/whatever card in and see
03:57.29bughunter2aye
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03:57.38bughunter2on my laptop it all works fine
03:57.43bughunter2i'm going to try lenny on my main box too
03:57.47bughunter2which has a fancy 7800 gs
03:57.49bughunter2don't know why i bought it
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03:58.13CutMeOwnThroaton my laptop the sd card reader still doesnt work... probably never will
03:58.36bughunter2hmm
03:58.40adbping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted  , and need to reinstall ?
03:58.47amphiCutMeOwnThroat: what type is it?
03:59.01jamonbets on ricoh
03:59.08CutMeOwnThroatbut I was lucky with the i910 chipset back then... I think - I also was very lucky with the wlan stick I bought
03:59.22amphiCutMeOwnThroat: I have "SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 21)" and it seemed to work "outta the box"
03:59.26bughunter2bridge_ports all regex vbox.* is valid syntax right?
03:59.36CutMeOwnThroatamphi, don't know - I think the kernel doesn't even see it at all (and I'm at uni now while the laptop is home)
04:00.15CutMeOwnThroatamphi, the sd card reader here in this desktop also worked... at least since I got that new 2.6 kernel
04:00.32CutMeOwnThroatactually, I can look that up, someone wrote a page on that travelmate
04:01.57CutMeOwnThroatmm, no regexps in google
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04:02.58bughunter2interface regex does not exist!
04:03.02bughunter2interface vbox.* does not exist
04:03.15bughunter2iface br0 inet dhcp
04:03.20bughunter2<PROTECTED>
04:03.26bughunter2just like man bridge-utils-interfaces says
04:03.28Guerin!paste
04:03.28dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:03.42bughunter2any hints?
04:03.51adb+  send_packet : Operation not permitted  ... on 2.6.26-1-686
04:04.04CutMeOwnThroatfunny - I'm sure I got a travelmate tm-62something, but wikipedia says that doesn't exist
04:04.17bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: liar!
04:04.29jamonye, wikipedia is infallible
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04:05.47adb3-rd reinstallation ....
04:06.48CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, take that back!
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04:07.32bughunter2takes it back silently
04:07.53CutMeOwnThroat:-p
04:07.58bughunter2:p
04:09.00spencercornynjust curious... i have opengeu on my laptop, but it seems really buggy... is there a debian like opengeu... i know opengeu is debian but is there something else to try out?
04:09.35mhymn_wtf
04:09.42bughunter2http://pastebin.com/f5206c3e7
04:09.47bughunter2/etc/network/interfaces
04:09.50bughunter2now,
04:09.56bughunter2it assigns eth0 an ip address using dhcp
04:10.03bughunter2but i only want it to use dhcp on the br0 if
04:10.13CutMeOwnThroatwikipedia was of course right...
04:11.35spencercornynis there a wubi for debian?
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04:12.26dmoernerspencercornyn: opengeu is ubuntu not debian. elive is debian-based though
04:12.38CutMeOwnThroatamphi, hm, found the (German) page http://freenet-homepage.de/renmi/acer4652.html describing installation on that - it only says "CardreaderENC PCI MS,SD,SM" and that there's no driver ... afaik, that hasn't changed... at least not in the main kernel tree
04:13.23bughunter2wait of course..
04:13.28bughunter2nm-applet fucks around =P
04:13.35bughunter2the /etc/network/interfaces was just fine
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04:13.40spencercornyndmoerner: elive? wow.. will try it out.. ubuntu is debian too...
04:13.46spencercornynam i right
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04:14.06spencercornynhave been using ubuntu since the begining and we use debian repos
04:14.14stewspencercornyn: no, ubuntu is not debian, neither is elive
04:14.15dmoernerubuntu has its own repos
04:14.30onetinsoldierjesus, my ip has changed and my firewall a lot of dropping a lot of packets. guy who had it before must have been a bittorrent user or had a trojan or something
04:14.33amphiCutMeOwnThroat: :(
04:14.48spencercornynyes it has it own repos... but ubuntu is based off debian...
04:14.52onetinsoldieroops, messed up my wording a little there
04:15.10Craigevil!ubuntu
04:15.10dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
04:15.11CutMeOwnThroatamphi, also, note the humorous "English version (coming soon)" from 3-4 years back on that page :)
04:15.13spencercornynubuntu is debian
04:15.20stewspencercornyn: no, its not
04:15.53Craigevilubuntu is NOT debian
04:15.58CutMeOwnThroat!ubuntusmite spencercornyn
04:15.59dpkgtakes away all the CO2 in the air around spencercornyn and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!"
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04:17.19bughunter2how to make nm-applet play nicely with bridges?
04:17.35spencercornynwhats wrong with ubuntu.. it is open source.. i remember when i had a hard time installing codecs and java flash or whatever i used to use debian
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04:17.47amphiCutMeOwnThroat: heh - 2.6.12, though - things might have improved
04:17.52CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, don't you need two cards/interfaces for a bridge?
04:18.00CutMeOwnThroatamphi, nope :)
04:18.09bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: virtualbox cards are virtual
04:18.12stewspencercornyn: try #ubuntu or #debian-offtopic or ##linux if you want to discuss ubuntu
04:18.13bughunter2my eth0 is the only real
04:18.16spencercornynubuntu has gone where no linux distro has gone before; and we should all be proud its based of debian...
04:18.28bughunter2as is wlan0, but afaik the wifi drivers don't support bridging well, if at all
04:18.31amphiCutMeOwnThroat: bugger - so you get to write the driver
04:18.52bughunter2spencercornyn: why not be proud of Debian?
04:18.55castspencercornyn: oh, is ubuntu open source?
04:18.58CutMeOwnThroatamphi, I think it's just one of the not-so-common readers that never anyone bothereed about
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04:19.02bughunter2Ubuntu got recognized, doesn't mean the other projects suck
04:19.04amphiuhuh
04:19.19bughunter2pride kills anyway
04:19.50CutMeOwnThroatamphi, heh - I got a sd2usb bridge for euro 2.50 or whatever from ebay for whenever I want to read an sd card there (actually I don't I prefer ptp for the digital camera because of the autorename)
04:20.21bughunter2ok i'm finished setting up debian and having fun
04:20.23bughunter205:20 AM ;p
04:20.29bughunter2where did i f up..
04:20.31CutMeOwnThroatdon't troll the feed
04:20.38CutMeOwnThroator was that the other way around
04:20.42bughunter2hmm not sure
04:20.45spencercornyni wanted to try debian since the beginning.. but the easiest task or downloading a the right install cd off debian was a daunting task.. this was cuz my laptop broke down...
04:21.20bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: now i need to install my own grub with a custom patch, i guess i can uninstall grub and leave the config files, then rebuild grub the "Debian way" ?
04:21.23bughunter2after reading TFM
04:21.24bughunter2?
04:21.54CutMeOwnThroatwhy would you uninstall it?
04:22.02bughunter2i don't have to , ind eed
04:22.04bughunter2good point
04:23.06bughunter2it's a bug that only occurs with my laptop's bios ><
04:23.12bughunter2calling int 13 makes it probe the CD drive, lol
04:23.14bughunter2~_~
04:23.15aptSTOP DOING THAT!
04:23.17bughunter2ok master..
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04:26.20CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, mm
04:27.28CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, /msg dpkg bpo for the rebuilding procedure (you're not backporting, but it's kinda similar) - only then you have to patch and use dpkg-buildpackage ... perhaps read /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage
04:27.46bughunter2ok :)
04:27.46CutMeOwnThroatapt is not to be fooled like that
04:28.05bughunter2i'll first try it in a VM
04:28.38CutMeOwnThroatI just looked if there's a factoid for rebuilding with patches/custom options, but there is not
04:28.43CutMeOwnThroator I can't find it
04:29.02CutMeOwnThroatand I'm too lazy to type all that myself and you might know already anyways
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04:30.11bughunter2k :)
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04:32.59bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: can i delay the dhclient for br0 until after debian is started up?
04:34.14lordcianhi there.  question:  adding '/opt/blah:" to the front of the path in /etc/profile works for logged in shells - but when I use capistrano it calls /usr/bin/env ruby.  when I use the capistrano shell command to execute /usr/bin/env, the path does NOT contain the addition from /etc/profile (even tried a reboot).
04:34.31lordcianwhat am i missing?
04:35.29rvalles04:21:57 < CutMeOwnThroat> why would you uninstall it?
04:35.44rvallesjust make sure a future "grub" update package doesn't rewrite your grub
04:36.01lordciannote, sudo is NOT being used, the user 'someuser' shows the correct path in both 'echo $PATH' and '/usr/bin/env echo $PATH' from a login shell.
04:37.11bughunter2if i install bootsplash, i get "Splasy ERROR: Setting XML file to <</etc/splashy/themes/default/theme.xml>> failed. XML File not found"
04:37.24bughunter2the file isn't there, but themes/moreblue-orbit/theme.xml is
04:37.33bughunter2it seems the "default" folder is missing
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04:39.08CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, you could change it's number so it's started later
04:39.41bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: hm i guess so
04:39.58bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: just after GDM would be fine i guess?
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04:42.22bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: is there a nice way to change the priority of the boot scripts instead of changing it in both rc3.d and rc2.d etc..?
04:42.53stewbughunter2: update-rc.d
04:42.59bughunter2:)
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04:46.31CutMeOwnThroatstew already said it :)
04:47.30CutMeOwnThroatdamn, I forgot what I have to use for postcript conversion to keep the colors intact
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04:48.04spersaudI find that my system is running a lot better in etch than in lenny with 2.6.24-1 anyone else experience this ?
04:48.13CutMeOwnThroatoh, it was ps2svg... that was simple :)
04:48.42CutMeOwnThroatwhat's "better" was it singing songs all day?
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04:49.04spersaudor is it just the 2.6.-18 kernel thats better ?
04:49.17spersaudrunning a lot smoother plus nicer themese in etch for gnome
04:49.19CutMeOwnThroatonly thing I've noticed is that firefox-3 swallows up even more RAM than the previous ones
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04:49.43casti found gnome-terminal and e16 crappy in lenny :( the former very slow for some reason on resize operations
04:49.59bughunter2i guess i can remove netatalk from my boot scripts? :O it is pretty slow and i don't think i'll need it
04:50.08CutMeOwnThroatand it seems it's got ... dunno memory leaks or whatever - had to restart it lately because it kept using 30% CPU
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04:50.56spersaudI bet final product will be good, but right now I have to use whats better
04:50.59jabrroahello
04:51.29CutMeOwnThroatdoh... ps2svg conversion is so much better to what inkscape uses by default
04:52.50CutMeOwnThroatspersaud, I don't use gnome - perhaps a gnome problem ... file a bug report if you can find a concrete reason why it's unresponsive
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04:54.51spersaudCutMeOwnThroat: might also be the kernel I am using, I was using 2.6.26, maybe this 2.6.18 is just faster
04:55.00spersaudnew is not necessarily better
04:55.29spersaudbut I wont be upgrading to lenny until its complete
04:55.33bughunter2wow splashy looks bjorked, i get all kinds of funny colors instead of the debian image
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04:56.14CutMeOwnThroatspersaud, I doubt that
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04:57.54spersaudCutMeOwnThroat: are you telling me my eyes are fooling me ?
04:58.00CutMeOwnThroatspersaud, well - it might - check dmesg for millions of messages.... also look at top
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04:58.12spersaudfirefox is definitely faster
04:58.31CutMeOwnThroatno, I say I doubt that 2.6.26 is making a system noticeably slower
04:59.21spersaudoh
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05:00.38CutMeOwnThroat... except if you have something stupid going on which causes a shitload of kernel messages
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05:00.50CutMeOwnThroatthat would make things slower and the reason would be in the kernel
05:00.57CutMeOwnThroat(well, or syslogd/etc)
05:01.56bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: now it gives me "System startup links for /etc/init.d/networking already exist."
05:01.58spersaudCutMeOwnThroat: I think my wireless broadcom card runs better in 2.6.18 than 2.6.24
05:02.05bughunter2when i try update-rc.d networking defaults 31
05:02.28spersaudI am gonna setup a wireless bridge with dd-wrt and just use my wired connection
05:03.07CutMeOwnThroatheh, weird... now that I noticed that such a thing exist, I see people mention dd-wrt et. al all the time :)
05:03.36spersaudCutMeOwnThroat: its open source firmware for your router
05:03.48spersaudI think it uses linux
05:04.16bughunter2lol i like the dpkg bot
05:04.17bughunter2" to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory."
05:04.19bughunter2HAHA
05:04.25CutMeOwnThroatspersaud, I know.... since about last week - but it existed for years ...
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05:05.56spersaudmy computer is seriously in pieces, home dir is messed up, I gotta use another computer and copy my files over then redo this one
05:06.29CutMeOwnThroat"rm -rf .[a-zA-Z]*"?
05:06.45spencercornynhj7y3gh`M
05:06.48Rusty1_http://x-wrt.org/ also worth a look CutMeOwnThroat, spersaud
05:06.56spersaudrm -rf * is enouf
05:07.16CutMeOwnThroatspersaud, well, these are the files that my rm left untouched...
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05:09.46Decepticon_i dare anyone here to figure out what the * is wrong with my ssh keys setup
05:09.48bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: i'm improving, i fixed the update-rc.d problem on my own :)
05:10.00bughunter2takes a scooby snack
05:10.03CutMeOwnThroatRusty1_, well, I don't have a wireless router atm, but... it's pretty cool stuff - pity that the things have only 16MB or so... considering that you can by an 8GB SD card for 17 bucks or so, you could have a pretty neat linux system with loads of stuff on such a router (I think even a smallish-like Debian would install on 8GB)
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05:11.42jhamboshouldn't "reload" in synaptic be called "update" since it's called update in apt-get and aptitude?
05:11.58bughunter2why?
05:12.00bughunter2synaptic !+ apt
05:12.01bughunter2!=
05:12.06bughunter2it's just a wrapper
05:12.40jhamboJust makes more sense for everyone whos spent lots of time using apt-get and aptitude...
05:12.57jhamboit's a minor quibble
05:12.58CutMeOwnThroatRusty1_, thx... looks interesting - the time will come when that'll come handy
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05:13.01bughunter2jhambo: synaptic is meant for other users mainly, but hardcore apt users will get used to it
05:13.03bughunter2:)
05:13.22bughunter2it's easier for apt users to understand synaptic than for synaptic users to understand the apt jargon
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05:14.35bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: weird, debian now locks up @ boot time when starting nfsd
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05:16.17Schiz0|SDWhat's the difference in the "buffers" and "cached" columns in the 'free' command? I know buffers is the disk buffers allocated automatically by the kernel...but what's cached?
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05:18.49adbswap ?
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05:20.44CutMeOwnThroatswaps with adb
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05:24.17onetinsoldierbuffers is system mem that's been allocated for data being sent to/from a device, cache is similar except it's system mem that's been allocated for data going to/from processes
05:24.45onetinsoldierhttp://www.linfo.org/free.html
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05:26.13bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: i just removed all NFS related startup symlinks and now my system boots fine again :O
05:26.17bughunter2don't know what was wrong
05:28.47CutMeOwnThroatnfs? that waits quite a long time when it can't mount the drive
05:29.08bughunter2yeah but i didn't even have any nfs mounts
05:29.16bughunter2besides it constantly said it failed starting up nfsd
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05:31.52bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: Starting NFS common utilities: statd: failed
05:31.54bughunter2something like that
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05:32.52bughunter2could have any reason i guess
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05:37.44CutMeOwnThroatlook what dmesg and /var/log/messages say
05:37.52CutMeOwnThroatmmm
05:38.18CutMeOwnThroatbut it's pretty stupid to have it start up without any mounts anyways
05:38.25CutMeOwnThroatwhat's it supposed to do then anyways
05:38.29bughunter2nothing
05:38.32bughunter2but it was there by default
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05:39.33CutMeOwnThroateh? nfs is not installed by default
05:39.35CutMeOwnThroatI'd say
05:39.43bughunter2for me it was O_o
05:39.44Supaplexis this a kernel, or a xen bug? http://picpaste.com/IMG_0886.png has the stack trace
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05:40.11CutMeOwnThroatit's nearly as bad as the "network insecurity system" for security
05:40.34bughunter2Supaplex: could be anything, but i'd say xen because usually theres no fatal exception in interrupt handlers
05:40.42bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: lol what?
05:40.45CutMeOwnThroata kernel panic? :)
05:41.05CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, lovingly called with it's short nick "NIS"
05:41.24bughunter2hehehe
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05:42.46bughunter2i wanted to go to bed but figuring debian out is fun
05:42.48CutMeOwnThroatSupaplex, guess all the stuff after the kernel panic must come from xen, because the kernel just went over the Jordan? ...
05:43.06CutMeOwnThroatmom will wake you at 6 for that
05:43.16bughunter2haha
05:43.18bughunter26:43 AM here :P
05:43.20bughunter2:D
05:43.23Supaplexhumm
05:43.33CutMeOwnThroatheh
05:43.39blauzahl-laptop_http://rafb.net/p/CF3NGD10.html <---how do i fix this? and what might i have done to mess it up in the first place?
05:45.02CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, if that happened the 1st time right now, wait a day or so if it goes away
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05:45.19blauzahl-laptop_its been several times now
05:45.30blauzahl-laptop_and this morning too
05:45.33CutMeOwnThroathm
05:45.42CutMeOwnThroatis that still from security.debian.org
05:45.45blauzahl-laptop_(over 12hrs)
05:46.15CutMeOwnThroathm, updates fine for me
05:46.36CutMeOwnThroatbut I think security.debian.org was up-to-date for me
05:46.58Supaplexbughunter2, CutMeOwnThroat, 3c59x driver just jumps out at me now.
05:47.22mhymn_(side note: use aptitude instead of apt-get whenever possible blauzahl)
05:48.34CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, well "nothing" looks like either the package on the server is corrupted or gets corrupted while transferring....
05:48.51CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, perhaps put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
05:48.56blauzahl-laptop_how do i do an update via aptitude?
05:49.04CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, same way
05:49.23CutMeOwnThroatjust substitute apt-* with aptitude
05:49.30bughunter2CutMeOwnThroat: sorry but once again i have a question regarding the building packages...
05:49.39bughunter2the debian reference manual says i'll need a .dsc file
05:49.41bughunter2to build a package
05:49.49bughunter2but i don't know where to get it
05:50.01bughunter2there must be a simple command i guess
05:50.25CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, you use ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org - and there is ALSO ftp.debian.org - I think you can remove the ftp.debian.org lines, as they are just doubles of ftp.us.debian.org
05:50.35CutMeOwnThroats/doubles/duplicates/
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05:50.55CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, it's in the debian directory in the source tree
05:51.09bughunter2"debian directory" ?
05:51.13CutMeOwnThroatyes
05:51.24CutMeOwnThroatdid you do apt-get source <package>?
05:51.34bughunter2no i wanted to try it the aptitude way
05:51.36bughunter2but theres none?
05:52.01CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, but paste your sources.list to make sure I'm seeing that correctly
05:52.11bughunter2k got it, can aptitude do this too ?
05:52.18CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, that'll also fix the bug
05:52.26blauzahl-laptop_http://rafb.net/p/Y257Tk86.html i double pasted it. opps.
05:52.27CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, I think not... but feel free to try
05:52.33bughunter2i tried
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05:53.32CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, oh... I see - your other paste looks like the errors all come from ftp.debian.org - try to change all of those to ftp.us.debian.org
05:53.48CutMeOwnThroatI can't think of anything else but to switch mirrors...
05:54.10bughunter2my bios is really stupid, it probes the cd when we ask it to reset the FDC
05:54.26CutMeOwnThroatoh, damn - it IS security.debian.org for at least one of the errors
05:54.44blauzahl-laptop_is security.us.debian.org valid?
05:54.49CutMeOwnThroatno
05:54.57CutMeOwnThroatthere are no mirrors for security.debian.org
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05:55.28CutMeOwnThroatjust one central server - that is to avoid the delays with mirroring for important security updates
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05:56.11CutMeOwnThroat.... but made a lot of problems, when there was... don't remember exactly.. but some huge package(s) had a security flaw and so it was like a DDOS
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05:57.18bughunter2security.us.debian.org does relink to debian.org/security
05:57.29blauzahl-laptop_apparently.
05:57.37blauzahl-laptop_that just finished without problems....
05:57.48CutMeOwnThroathm, I don't have the slash after security.debian.org ... and I have contrib and non-free on all repositories
05:58.03CutMeOwnThroateh?
05:58.19bughunter2me too
05:58.37Supaplexuh, try /query dpkg security     if you question the suggested repo
05:59.44CutMeOwnThroatblauzahl-laptop_, so it works after switching to ftp.us.debian.org?
06:00.01blauzahl-laptop_yep :)
06:00.04CutMeOwnThroatwell...
06:00.14blauzahl-laptop_i'm trying a dist-upgrade now.
06:00.19CutMeOwnThroatif it comes back, then the mirrors got updated to the bogus version from there
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06:00.37mplabsHi!
06:01.06mplabswhy in my experimental repositories, I can't found php 5.3 to install ? :S
06:01.35mplabsfind*
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06:01.41CutMeOwnThroatbughunter2, haha, hell it is late... I thought you can't be in europe when you told me your local time
06:01.48bughunter2:P
06:02.18bughunter2ohwell it's weekend
06:02.28bughunter2i got back late from a party
06:02.29CutMeOwnThroatmplabs, experimental only contains packages that are too broken for unstable... if the maintainter thinks it's gonna be ok, it goes to unstable directly
06:02.32bughunter2thought i'd play with debian
06:02.41CutMeOwnThroatafaik
06:02.55CutMeOwnThroaturgh... more than time for dinner
06:02.59mplabsCutMeOwnThroat, the same with unstable repositories :S
06:03.08CutMeOwnThroatand... damn, after midnight, all the shops closed
06:03.27CutMeOwnThroatoh
06:03.37bughunter2yay, grub fixed
06:03.47bughunter2laptop is happily booting even when a CD is in the drive, and fast
06:03.57jhambohow does one prevent one's package from getting rattled around when body surfing?
06:03.59mplabsCutMeOwnThroat, php5-cli [5.2.6-5 (testing, now) -> 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1+b1 (unstable)]
06:04.10mplabsand the 5.3........... :P ?
06:04.11jhambowoops wrong thread... sorry
06:04.16CutMeOwnThroatmplabs, well, package it
06:04.37CutMeOwnThroatjhambo, but SO wrong
06:05.11CutMeOwnThroatmplabs, check the BTS
06:05.19mplabsBTS ?
06:05.22CutMeOwnThroat!BTS
06:05.23dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
06:05.37CutMeOwnThroatmplabs, you can file a wishlist bug if there's not already one there
06:06.27mplabsaptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>
06:06.34mplabs<apt-listchanges> ?
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06:08.09bughunter2goodnight/morning
06:08.12CutMeOwnThroat<> means the contained word is also a factoid
06:08.13bughunter2thanks for all the help
06:08.18bughunter2(#)debian is awesome
06:08.19CutMeOwnThroatbuybuy
06:08.33CutMeOwnThroat... only as long as you don't mention you run ubuntu
06:08.37bughunter2hah
06:08.44mplabsyes, I know, what waht I must put in your replace ?
06:08.53blauzahl-laptop_Err http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 <-0---just timed out, as did security.
06:09.26mplabswhat waht I must put in your replace ? * im sorry
06:09.33mplabssh*t x)
06:09.37mplabswhat I must put in your replace ? **
06:09.43CutMeOwnThroatI have no clue what you're talking about
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06:10.33CutMeOwnThroatgaw, -10C outside
06:10.38CutMeOwnThroatthat'll be fun biking home
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06:11.33mplabswell, I think that I should execute "aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>", but what I should put in replace to <apt-listchanges> ?
06:12.18CutMeOwnThroatyou just omit the <>
06:12.36mplabsahm
06:12.37CutMeOwnThroatas I told you, they just mean you can use them as in /msg dpkg apt-listchanges
06:12.49CutMeOwnThroat<CutMeOwnThroat> <> means the contained word is also a factoid
06:15.18CutMeOwnThroatI always just use the webpages, though
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06:20.08CutMeOwnThroatand as that was part of the problem - you wanted to say "put in place of the" or "what should I replace <apt-listchanges> with"
06:20.39CutMeOwnThroatbut I also didn't understand because I had already answered... and there YOU didn't understand ME
06:20.49Gahi'm trying to do the rutebook tutotrials, I'm getting stuck - can someone tell me why something like expr 0 `ls -l` returns "syntax error"?
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06:21.20CutMeOwnThroathah
06:21.33CutMeOwnThroatwhat the hell was this?
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06:21.43SupaplexEFAIL :)
06:21.43mplabsCutMeOwnThroat, Im sorry, I dont speak english
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06:21.56CutMeOwnThroatyou do!
06:22.25SupaplexI can has cheeseburger?
06:22.32Gahlol
06:22.53CutMeOwnThroatmplabs, and I wouldn't normally correct
06:23.18CutMeOwnThroatreaches Supaplex a cheese-inna-bun - that'll be $3.50, please
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06:24.03Gahim in ur bank account stealing ur cheezburgers
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06:26.39CutMeOwnThroatargh - just opened firefox instead of a shell and typed my command in the google searchbox
06:27.16Gahi wonder if you got any advertisements for whatever you typed
06:27.35CutMeOwnThroatno, the homepage of the software
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06:29.35CutMeOwnThroatGah, and you're better off in #bash, I think  - although they'll tell you that you don't need expr because bash can do the stuff and that `command` is better written as $(command)
06:30.43CutMeOwnThroatGah, and it gives you an error because a) you don't have any operator and b) the output of ls -l is surely not suited as an argument to expr
06:31.29Gahwell, i'm just trying to follow something from rutebook
06:31.59castwhat are you saying, that i didnt mean to try to execute my drwxr-xr-x program?
06:32.02CutMeOwnThroatI think I never ever used expr
06:32.15CutMeOwnThroatcast, expr != exec
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06:33.08Gahexpr doesn't seem like someone i'd be using much anyway, i just hate it when i get stuck in a book or whatever
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06:33.39castba, lo pa th fi 2 le wi ge yo no wh in li
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06:34.49CutMeOwnThroatexpr is stupid anyways
06:35.01CutMeOwnThroatexpr 2 '*' 2
06:35.03Supaplex!lart expr
06:35.03dpkgblasts expr with a huge firehose then strangles expr with it
06:35.06CutMeOwnThroatworks
06:35.09Gahhttp://rafb.net/p/3a1A8K94.html
06:35.21Gahthat's basically the line rutebook says to try
06:35.42Gahseems to be more focused on sed
06:35.52Gahyeah, i know it's outdated - the book is probably from '94
06:37.53CutMeOwnThroatthe {} in the regexp doesnt work, I guess
06:38.11CutMeOwnThroatyou see that when you execute just the ls | sed part
06:38.37CutMeOwnThroatsed -r works when you remove the escaping \ from all the \(
06:39.29Gahhmm... so do the same thing but add -r and remove the \ ?
06:39.33CutMeOwnThroatexpr 0 `ls -l | grep '^-' | sed -r 's/^([^ ]*[ ]*){4,4}([0-9]*).*$/ + \2/'`
06:39.58CutMeOwnThroatbut really, if you do this to learn, you should try to figure it out yourself :)
06:40.02Gahyeah
06:40.08Gahbut i'm at the mercy of the book
06:40.28Gahi mean if i'm going to have to start crawling in man pages etc. then i shouldn't even be looking at this book
06:40.41CutMeOwnThroatyou're not married to it, are you?
06:41.09Gahas if i need another thing to waste my money lol
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06:42.55Gahallthough to tell you the truth, corny tricks with parsing text isn't exactly very appealing
06:43.24drazakust do it in perl
06:43.29drazakdoing it in bash is going to take ass long
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06:45.45Gahthe command didn't do what rute says it would, but i think i'm going to move on lol - that stuff doesn't really interest me much anyway
06:46.01onetinsoldierhi. i have a question about doing a second installation of linux to a second hard drive that i just got. i am wondering about grub. will i be able to get a list when booting of which drive and linux installation i want to boot from? and what do i do during the installer(d-i) when it asks me about installing grub?
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06:46.39Gahjust edit menu.lst on your current grub and direct it to boot from there
06:46.48Gahe.g. 1, 1
06:46.51Gahor 1, 0
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06:47.14onetinsoldierso tell it(d-i) not to install grub then?
06:47.56Gahi guess, just make sure that you know the <hd>, <partition> and path to the kernel and you should be set to go
06:48.18onetinsoldiercurrent hd is sda and second one is sdb
06:48.38Gahlook in your menu.lst
06:48.48onetinsoldierroger that
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06:49.06Supaplexonetinsoldier: follow the 'installing from existing linux/unix systems' part of the install manual, and use debootstrap etc. no need for d-i
06:49.51onetinsoldierSupaplex, ok.
06:50.09onetinsoldierthank you Gah and Supaplex
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06:51.33onetinsoldiergoes to read about installing from existing installation
06:52.16Gahreading is only second to experience lol
06:52.33onetinsoldierhehe, i hear that!
06:53.03Paivakilmy ISP gives IP addresses by dhcp, but requires a login from a webbrowser. Now how can I do that from the debian installer?
06:54.13Gahwhat kind of ISP is that?
06:54.15Supaplextry an isp with traditional network standards, or, use dvd1 instead
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06:54.56Paivakilrcomm, in India
06:55.01Gahi've seen it on public wifi networks, but to actually have an internet connection like that is weird
06:55.08Gahthose bastards lol
06:55.44Paivakildoes wget have some means of posting username/password?
06:55.48Supaplexoh sure, sell out to India.
06:56.04Gahi'm gathering it's not just username and password, but also some hidden fields etc.
06:56.06Paivakilhttp://reliancebroadband.co.in is the url.
06:56.43Gahurl doesn't work here (US, Verizon)
06:57.12Supaplexsame here, usa, AS6315
06:58.02Gahalthough i'm guessing that if it were just plain text password without any encryption (nnot likely) then you can add the form information to the URL
06:58.12Gahbut as i said, that's  probably not the case
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06:58.38Gahhmm... maybe if busybox  had a browser, you could log in like that
06:58.41Supaplexwget 'http://example.com/?username=foo&password=bar'
06:58.59PaivakilSupaplex: ah. thanks
06:59.08Gahbut that's not likely to work
06:59.26SupaplexYMMV :)
06:59.40Paivakilwhat does <form name=authenticateForm method="POST" action="http://www.reliancebroadband.co.in/user/refresh/home?t=fof8oild"> mean? it is in in the http code of the login page
07:00.27Gahit's just a standard html form
07:00.47Gahthat last string is probably randomnly generatred and a hidden field specific to your session
07:00.54Supaplexdrools over http://www.plastk.net/
07:01.05Paivakilok. guessed that much.
07:01.32Paivakilthere is a curl workaround (for use in boot scripts) posted on the net, but (1) no curl in d-i (2) does not work for me
07:01.53Gahi'm sure you can modify d-i in some way
07:01.55Gahdon't know how
07:02.49Gahall you need to do is find a way to get curl on your installation media, it comes with some kind of package installer as well (udpkg or something like that)
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07:03.04Supaplexwell, debian live, install debootstrap, and install from existing linux system. :)
07:04.18Gahi'm more fascinated by the cost of those monitoris than their being grouped together lol
07:05.01PaivakilGah: I am getting some error about "failed to determine the codename for the release" - the work around posted in the mailing lists is to use debbootstrap with a pointer to any debian mirror; but for that I need a net connection.
07:06.07Gahnever used debootstrap, supaplex probably knows
07:06.20Supaplexyou have a catch 22.
07:06.20Gahalthough i have done some pretty funny installation procedures
07:06.46Supaplexis there any other pc you can NAT through after authenticating?
07:07.07Paivakiland the system does not have a cd drive. and the other system has only one interface.
07:07.23Paivakilwonders what is the smiley for headbanging??
07:07.46jabrroahow you do that?
07:07.53Supaplex!-(
07:08.01\amethystwhat if you authenticate with one machine then switch the cable?
07:08.02Gahwhy not use pxe?
07:08.07\amethystor does it go by MAC address?
07:08.11Supaplexgoodbye-windows.com needs no cdrom.
07:08.17jabrroa!-(
07:08.20jabrroa??
07:08.45Gahoh
07:08.48Gahone interface
07:09.01Supaplexyou can still nat on one interface
07:09.02Paivakil\amethyst: I need figureou the mac address part; but simply switching the cable?? need to try, but then there would be a  problem with the IP address no?
07:09.11\amethystF_ :  yeah, # comes before A in ASCII :)
07:09.13\amethystdoh
07:09.24Supaplexmy uh ... whole office here runs nat on one interface. :)
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07:09.30Paivakils/figureou/figureout
07:09.46\amethystPaivakil:  yeah, probably if you re-run dhcp you'll need to authenticate again :(
07:09.46Gahwell, why not download the installation on the first system, disconnect it from the internet and make it a mirror for the installation
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07:10.06Supaplexand pppoe (which, is quite the pain).  hopefully I can remanage the switch to put the port the dsl is on into its own vlan.
07:10.37PaivakilSupaplex: what??; nat on one interface? and how do the other machines connect?
07:10.56Supaplexto it
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07:11.05Cope_I'm seeing very high iowait on a machine - what's the best way to identify what process is actually waiting on IO? I can see it is disk related, but I can't see what program/process is the problem
07:12.11SupaplexCope_: I think there's iotop but needs a newer kernel.
07:12.20Paivakiltoday is a sunday; so cannot get a cable. ;-) to connect the two machines.
07:12.26Paivakiltries to hide
07:12.40Cope_nods ok.
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07:12.58Paivakilonly a 2GB usb stick., which is rrpita
07:13.16Paivakilresigns to fate aka swapping a usb stick
07:14.04AussieGuyIve got an amd64 machine and I want to install debian into a virtual machine with qemu, to use it as a testbed for a dedicated server I want to hire, which will be running debian (the dedicated server would probably be Intel based).....  what architecture should I download?
07:14.54AussieGuyfor the vm
07:15.14SupaplexAussieGuy: amd64 will run on some intels.  it depends on how much memory, and what applications you need support on.
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07:15.54Supaplexand qemu won't really care at some point, because it'll emulate what the kernel module doesn't virtualize
07:16.43castamd64 will run on pretty much any decent recent server/desktop intel cpu wouldnt it
07:16.50AussieGuyfrom what ive heared the dedicated server people will give me an IP and a root login (which ill have to change quick, obviously)
07:18.35AussieGuythered be no X, or apache/any of the standard servers, only my c based app and php for a few of the scripts
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07:18.43mazzanetyay new iceweasel version
07:18.58AussieGuyand ssh to let me in
07:19.12Supaplexso why not just run native linux all around?
07:19.41castwhat scripts are in php, out of curiousity?
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07:19.45AussieGuywell it needs make, gcc etc...to compile
07:19.48castand what is your C based app?
07:19.54AussieGuylike the one to set up iptables forwarding rules
07:20.06jhambohow can i video chat with someone on osx?
07:20.16polywaffleusing skype?
07:20.17AussieGuyits like a super file sharing server
07:20.20casthaving a dedicated server might be a waste of resources if you can get by with a virtual machine
07:20.25polywafflesorry but that is the best way i know how
07:20.31SupaplexAussieGuy: gcc runs on pretty much anything
07:20.32polywaffleothers would say ekiga i think
07:20.39castand how does it serve files?
07:20.50AussieGuygnutella
07:20.53AussieGuydoubt it....the dedicated server would be worked to capacity, and transfer 2TB a month :)
07:21.50castwait...you're having a dedicated host to xfer 2TB/month for gnutella?
07:22.07AussieGuywell yes
07:22.26castis this to send or recv files?
07:22.33AussieGuysend
07:22.45AussieGuyalot of the 2TB is in query traffic
07:22.51AussieGuyprobably 2 thirds
07:23.03castoh, and what are you distributing?
07:23.13AussieGuylegal stuff
07:23.34AussieGuylike songs etc ppl want to put on there
07:23.38castgnutella is just a curious distribution method
07:23.43AussieGuynot pirated stuff though
07:24.58castso, wouldn't you do well to run gnutella *and* apache?
07:25.16AussieGuywell...its not really a http server
07:25.21casteveryone has a www browser, but only a minor number of people are on that particular p2p network
07:25.35castits a dedicated server, its whatever you make it ;P
07:26.52CutMeOwnThroatduh, a md1_raid1 process uses 15% CPU?
07:27.02CutMeOwnThroatand md2_resync is in top?
07:27.05stonedCutMeOwnThroat, hi
07:27.14stonedCutMeOwnThroat, can you come to #debian-chat for a sec
07:27.15castyou're a AussieGuy huh, might be worth setting up a VPN too :)
07:27.39CutMeOwnThroatstoned, not debian-offtopic? :)
07:27.42stonedno
07:28.06AussieGuynot enough power
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07:29.02Supaplexhummmm
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07:30.51CutMeOwnThroatwhat could have caused the SW RAID to suddenly resync?
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07:31.18CutMeOwnThroatoh - is it running periodic test if the disks are still correctly in sync?
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07:36.26CutMeOwnThroatthat probably means it's just  checking? [==>..................]  check = 13.1% (29374464/222725056) finish=64.5min speed=49942K/sec
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07:43.08stonedSupaplex, good afternoon sir
07:43.38stonedSupaplex, I am calling to let you know that you have been selected to win 50,000 ugandan dollars
07:43.56stonedSupaplex, all I require from you are your bank account details and your sort code, and we can wire you the monies directly!
07:44.02SupaplexDo I have to drive to your house and beat the living fuck out of you?
07:44.07stoned:D
07:44.11SupaplexIT'S A OLD FUCKING JOKE
07:44.15SupaplexGROW UP
07:44.18Supaplex</eof>
07:44.34stonedbut it was hilarious and it still is
07:44.45stonedI thought you weren't gonna get mad about that anymore?
07:44.47Supaplexwelcome to permaignore
07:44.55stonedLike I give a shit.
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07:45.55nullboywhat the hell just happened? can't we all just get along?
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07:46.13Supaplexstoned doesn't realise I'm the quiet one they warn you about.
07:46.30nullboylet's have a group hug and make up here. there's no need for death and decay
07:46.30Supaplexkeep pissing me off, and just *see* what happens.
07:46.35stonednullboy, I called him one time on the phone
07:46.39nullboylol
07:46.48stonednullboy, he picked up and I started playing the fonejacker joke on him
07:46.49stonedhe got had
07:46.56stonedso hes perpetually pissed
07:46.59stonedcuz i bested him
07:47.01stoned:/
07:47.04stonedget over it dude
07:47.09stonedseriously...
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07:48.17stoneddpkg say do not threaten stoned...
07:48.18dpkgdo not threaten stoned...
07:48.50stonedI'm on ignore but I'm sure he'll see that.
07:48.58nullboydpkg: say I wuv you stoned
07:48.58dpkgI wuv you stoned
07:49.56stoned!stoned
07:49.57dpkgsits in a corner rocking singing "jingle bells, jingle bells" quietly to himself with an evil grin on his face... as he touches himself ever so slightly... http://stoned.is.dreaming.org
07:50.25stonedhm
07:50.30stonedold factoidomondo
07:50.47stonedI wonder if these bots are ever cleaned
07:50.54stonedfor old factoids
07:50.58stonedobsolte
07:51.35CutMeOwnThroator just pure nonsense...
07:51.55stonedtht too
07:51.55CutMeOwnThroatand no... I deleted 3 of the really nonsense ones and dpkg ignored me 3 days for it
07:52.01stoned!factinfo stoned
07:52.01dpkgstoned -- last modified at Fri Feb 23 03:51:24 2007 by stoned!n=stoned@ip72-192-123-56.ok.ok.cox.net; it has been requested 32 times, last by stoned, 2m 5s ago.
07:52.10stonedwho create this though
07:52.14stonedthis I did not create
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07:52.27stoneddamn it has my old ip from years ago when i lived in oklahoma
07:54.57troubledanyone know why less changes permissions to 600?
07:55.17Supaplexpermissions of what? an output file?
07:55.31troubledhad ~/.lesshst symlink'd to /dev/null and it keeps changing /dev/null to 600 every time i run less
07:55.42troubledpita to track down...
07:55.51Supaplexjust symlink it to itself :)
07:55.52troubledand a DoS to every user on the system
07:56.10troubledthat works, but its silly. should check if its dev null and not chmod it
07:56.11Supaplexisn't there a .lessrc or something?
07:56.18CutMeOwnThroatobviously, because it can contain sensitive stuff
07:56.38CutMeOwnThroatbut why doesn't it change the permissions of the symlink, but of the file?
07:56.39Supaplexyeah, unearth my /dev/null and I'm in deep trouble. ;)
07:57.01troubledim serious, try it. sym link that hst file to dev null and run less once :)
07:57.02CutMeOwnThroattroubled, "man less"
07:57.18troubledCutMeOwnThroat: dont even start with that rtfm crap with me...
07:57.21CutMeOwnThroatLESSHISTFILE If set to "-" or "/dev/null", a history file  is  not used
07:57.34stonedtroubled, hi
07:57.37troubledim aware of the option
07:57.38SupaplexI'd rather ln -sf .lesshst .lesshst   than mess with /dev/null.
07:57.49CutMeOwnThroattroubled, then use it!
07:58.35troubledgrumbles about silly designs :)
07:58.51troubled<3 strace though heh
07:58.54Supaplexpatches welcome? :p
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07:59.45CutMeOwnThroatdoes anyone know if there is an automatism in debian to regularily check software raids?
08:00.24troubledSupaplex: as if they would accept a patch for that heh
08:01.12troubledSupaplex: it would have to be marked as a DoS/security for them to even consider it, and thats arguable for this problem no?
08:01.27Supaplexdepends on their creteria
08:01.41InternatCutMeOwnThroat: yes
08:01.49Internatfirst sunday of every month it would seem.
08:01.57troubledSupaplex: whats your take on the symlink problem?
08:01.59Internatnamely because my raids tend to resync at that time
08:02.00Supaplexnot all developers rely on the same idea of merit.
08:02.17CutMeOwnThroatInternat, ah, so I needn't worry about this
08:02.32Internatnope
08:02.38Internathave a look in /etc/cron.d/mdadm
08:02.39SupaplexI don't mind .lesshst. if I did, I'd consider a .bash_logout to rm it.
08:02.59Supaplexor shred if you're parnoid.
08:03.01CutMeOwnThroatah... was searching in cron.monthly
08:03.22troubledSupaplex: normally I dont even both, but i had it done during install and left it
08:03.37CutMeOwnThroatok... I'm not normally here Sunday midnights, so it's the 1st time I see it :)
08:03.48CutMeOwnThroat00:57 more precisely
08:03.55Supaplextroubled: you could chattr +i /dev/null
08:03.57troubledSupaplex: done at the same time as .bash_history i believe while I was symlinking.
08:04.09troubledSupaplex: ya, but its udev
08:04.37Internatyeah.. it scared the crap outa me when i first found it
08:04.48Internatnamely because i didnt see a raid degraded event fire.
08:05.03troubledSupaplex: would you classify that as a bug?
08:05.09Internatall i saw was my raids resyncing and i didnt know why
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08:05.39CutMeOwnThroatInternat, there's a couple of kernel:  Call traces for md_do_sync in var/log/messages from that check, too... any idea why it spits out these?
08:05.58troubledSupaplex: technically there is a way to disable the less history file. but that is a rather unexpected side effect of using the filesystem to disable it. however, using that approach, i bet alot of stuff would break too
08:06.02Internatnot sure.
08:06.08Internatprobably because it trigged a resync.
08:06.29Internati dont so much mind it resyncing because i know the data is good then.. Althought it does worry me as to what would happen if i lost power in the middle of said rsync.
08:06.32CutMeOwnThroatInternat, hehe yeah, that was pretty much what happened... and I only noticed at all, because my system suddenly became verrrry slow... then I checked top and saw the md resync processes
08:06.53CutMeOwnThroatyeah... that's a good point
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08:07.56troubledCutMeOwnThroat: how many drives you using mdadm with?
08:07.58CutMeOwnThroatprobably good that it's at night then... power is so damn unstable here at university ... there are often small flickers where it goes off for a half-second or so
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08:08.34CutMeOwnThroattroubled, just two in a mirroring raid - I don't have backups, so it's kind of the next best thing...
08:08.43troubledaye
08:08.59CutMeOwnThroatnot really as good as a backup
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08:09.09enouftroubled: what the f are you talking about?
08:09.10CutMeOwnThroatbut a lot less trouble
08:09.12troubledobviously, but better than 1 drive
08:09.26troubledenouf: for what?
08:09.53CutMeOwnThroatI just *know* that any backuping system that would involve me doing something regularily wouldn't happen at all...
08:09.57enoufi dunno - mdadm relatted stuff
08:10.19enoufand some shitty symlinks?
08:10.34CutMeOwnThroatyeah
08:10.56troubledenouf: what does the symlinks problem have to do with us talking about mdadm?
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08:11.04CutMeOwnThroatthank god, now you came along to improve the quality of our chosen topics
08:11.11enoufdisable less history file? wtf? .bash_history has nothing to do with mdadm
08:11.30troubledgives enouf a coffee since it clearly needs one
08:11.44CutMeOwnThroatzwei... fäden...
08:11.46enoufchuggalugs
08:11.57Internatzwei? german?
08:12.05CutMeOwnThroatyes
08:12.08CutMeOwnThroattwo threads
08:12.42CutMeOwnThroatoh well... g'night... bedtime for this old man
08:12.47troubledl8r
08:13.10CutMeOwnThroatgah, still gotta bike home 5 mins in -11C
08:13.14troubledenouf: mdadm talk had nothing to do with my symlink issue is you scroll back
08:13.41liablegives CutMeOwnThroat some rum for the ride
08:14.30CutMeOwnThroatgulps it down - as it was a 1-gallon vessel, he'll probably use the full width of the street to get home
08:14.41enouftroubled: then i totally misunderstoof
08:14.55enoufmisunderstood
08:15.38troubledenouf: np. A while back on this machine install I must have manually set bash and less history files to devnull. problem was that less chmod's the file to 600. pita to track down what was changing it on me
08:15.50troubledmdadm was just CutMeOwnThroat chit chat
08:16.01troubledthus "two threads"
08:16.09enoufi see
08:16.13CutMeOwnThroatheh, I actually was troubled about that!
08:16.18CutMeOwnThroatthanks Internat, btw.
08:16.23troubledno biggy, just felt like venting my hour long frustration with less :)
08:16.46troubledwas looking at crontab's, syslogs and everything hehe
08:17.10CutMeOwnThroatenouf, disk suddenly started resyncing... that got me kinda worried - but apparently it does that to check every 1st Sunday of the month
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08:17.19troubledat one point I was even watchin devnull with "watch -n1 ls -l /dev/null" in a splitvt window as I played around
08:17.35enouf-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 112300 2006-10-16 07:02 /usr/bin/less
08:17.39troubledCutMeOwnThroat: oh, are you serious? thats good to know
08:17.45CutMeOwnThroatInternat, hm - actually, it might be that a power-failure at that time is not fatal - after all it's just checking the disks - so it's mostly read-only
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08:18.03troubledenouf: ln -s ~/.lesshst /dev/null, then run less and see what it does to /dev/null :)
08:18.17enoufalias less='less -IR'
08:18.26CutMeOwnThroatsure, am....... but then I'm already gone ;)
08:18.43Supaplexfor fun an profit, mkfifo ~/.lesshst    :D
08:18.49troubledheh
08:18.55Supaplexalias less=view
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08:19.06troubledview? some new and improved less?
08:19.17Supaplexbut then you have vim history :)
08:19.33Supaplexview == vi/vim -r or whatnot.
08:19.46troubledya, vim swap files are another issue if security is a concern
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08:20.12Supaplexso is dram ghosting
08:20.28troublednow were just getting silly heh
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08:20.43Supaplexoh sure, just *now* haha.
08:20.44troubledalthough, I really wish ext2 secure wipes were done
08:20.45Supaplex;)
08:21.47troubledwouldnt care if there were full drive encryption though
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08:22.20Supaplexshred /proc/kcore just to be sure. ;)
08:22.27troubledheh
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08:22.45troubledi bet I wouldnt get 2 seconds into it before she panic'd
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08:25.18troubledSupaplex: so, did you try it yet? :)
08:25.25troubledyou know you wanna
08:26.31spersaud<PROTECTED>
08:26.39spersaudI was just watching Forensic Files
08:26.58troubledspersaud: what do you mean?
08:27.10spersaudI hope you guys are not doing anything illegal
08:27.19troubledof course not ;)
08:27.26spersaudjust dont do anything wrong and you will not have to go to jail
08:27.33troubledrolls his eyes
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08:27.42spersaudatleast you decrease your chances significantly
08:28.02troubledgod I pray you dont work at a doctors office or have a laptop with any of my personal details on it...
08:29.05troubledanyways, drive encryption isnt being used, it was a statement that history clearing and such things wouldnt be a big deal _if_ you have encryption
08:30.15troubledbut if you want to argue the point of not storing certain history files, then perhaps we should change all the linux distros to log bad user name attempts as well so you can catch all those nice passwords that get entered by accident to! :)
08:31.02InternatCutMeOwnThroat: i was actually under the impression that a resync wasnt read only..
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08:31.40troubledInternat: didnt he leave already?
08:32.31Internatmmm goodpoint
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08:32.59spersaudtroubled: storing files in history helps with bandwidth, thats basically its only purpose and cookies
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08:33.59troubledspersaud: we were talking about less and bash history specifically though
08:34.44troubledvim swap's are really bad as well though if we want to nit pick some more I guess :)
08:36.53Supaplexponders how /etc/profile.d could solve most of that
08:37.32troubledSupaplex: properly, i bet
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08:38.16troubledi wonder if they do stuff like that for the hardend setups
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08:39.55Supaplexfunction less(){which less ... $*}
08:40.05Supaplex99 ways to do stuff. :p
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08:41.10JadewolfHey guys sorry to burst in with a question but is there a debian package or distro that makes setting up webserver and email servers about as easy as doing it on a windows server? I got a guy bugging me for this and I don't wanna spend a month reinviting the wheel
08:41.24troubledooh, a real question! Look sharp guys ;)
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08:42.03PaivakilJadewolf: debian etch
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08:42.32troubledJadewolf: depends what you call easy :) Apache should run out of the box though. email will to an extent too
08:43.07JadewolfBasically I need it to be able to be answer a few questions and email for a domain is working kinda simple, this guy isn't great at editing .conf files
08:43.17Paivakiltroubled: you should tell him that continuous reboots would not be required. That will be hard to digest
08:43.19troubledbut if by easy you mean "runs out of the box, already configured securely and exactly for my needs", than probably nothing will ;)
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08:43.35cahooteasy being more important than stability?
08:43.56troubledPaivakil: hehe
08:44.17Jadewolflike all people cahoot he wants it all
08:44.29JadewolfI'm just seeing whats the closest I can get
08:44.33troubledtell him to stick with windows then
08:45.00troubledJadewolf: have you tried exim and apache yet in debian?
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08:45.26JadewolfI have apache on my own servers but I'm not a huge fan of setting up mail servers... yet.
08:45.29Kamping_Kaisernot sure where to ask this, so asking here: how easy would it be to mangle the debian build system to use ' -j $cores+1' as a make parametre ?
08:46.13troubledJadewolf: depending on the settings, dpkg should ask you some basic questions for exim setup that work for most simple setups
08:46.33thinkgnuis there any difference to compile a project and make a package for it on different distributions while using the same compiler version?
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08:47.29thinkgnui got my answer
08:49.38Jadewolfthanks for the answers guys I'm gonna see if I can build a script to do the work for him at least on commands... off to learning install of mail servers and dns setup I go
08:49.55troubledenjoy
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08:50.30troubledKamping_Kaiser: doesnt it honour CFLAGS= or CC= or something already?
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08:51.39Kamping_Kaisertroubled, you can set CFLAGS in d/rules (iirc). I'm wondering if it would be posible to set dynamically per package. perhaps its easier to make the buildd set that value pre-building
08:51.44yangIs there a solution for iceweasel/java on amd64 ?
08:53.52troubledKamping_Kaiser: no idea. play around I guess. fancy compile setups are not something I play with.
08:54.51Kamping_Kaisertroubled, np. it was a strange thought, I'll look into it as part of setting up a buildd
08:55.24troubledKamping_Kaiser: you using distcc as well I gather?
08:57.16Kamping_Kaisertroubled, i hadnt planned to. the question came up because i'm running a build, and theres about 20 cc instances , but only 8 cores. seemed like a bit excessive
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09:03.25troubledwould those 8 cores have something like HT to double that to 16 perhaps? otherwise, no idea why it would spawn so many by default
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09:03.58dfrankhello All, tell me please, how do i set max CPU usage for any program starting from command line ?  For example, to run it in background, i should type "$" at end of line. Maybe it's similar way to limit CPU usage?
09:04.34Paivakilnice and it is &
09:05.50dfrankPaivakil: yep, misprint
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09:10.39anoHitoHow do i make a symplic to a folder ?
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09:11.15anoHitofor example , i need to view the contans of a folder on web but it is in another place
09:11.46anoHitoit is in /var/test folder, my apach home is in /home
09:11.52dfrankPaivakil: thank u )
09:14.48arctanxanoHito: take a look at the "ln" command, particularly the -s flag
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09:16.56CoolColdhi
09:17.24anoHitoarctanx, wrong
09:17.34anoHitoarctanx, with ln -sf it is done
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09:17.46CoolColdi've made umount -l and cant understand, where info about mount state i kept
09:17.51CoolCold*is
09:17.59anoHitoarctanx, yeah,you were right,thanks :)
09:18.17CoolCold/proc/mounts miss this entry
09:18.39arctanxanoHito: *blinks* you're welcome. make sure you know what the -f does or you might delete something
09:19.25Jadewolfnot to be to pathetic but do you guys have a decent tutorial on DNS and Exim? everything I'm getting is kinda wordy, need something to the point, like packages and what to edit, I don't need the explantions part I know what SMTP is
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09:20.00anoHitoarctanx, thanks for reminding
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09:20.36PaivakilJadewolf: what for? DNS and exim?
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09:21.06JadewolfPaivakil, yeah  just some simple instructions without a definition every second word...
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09:23.02anoHitoarctanx, by the way, i now access to that folder on web,it says 403 forbidden
09:23.26anoHitohowever, i can vew the contains in it no problem if i specify the actual path of it.
09:23.38anoHitohow do i make that folder listable ?
09:23.51cast+x it
09:23.56Jadewolfactualyl I just found a nice one sorry Paivakil
09:24.14anoHitothat folder exists in physically however,the contains of it are all sympliced from another place
09:24.22castahh, +rx even
09:24.50anoHitocast, pardon me ? chmod +rx folder ?
09:24.52arctanxanoHito: as cast says, you need to have +rx on directory so that the apache user can read the folder. Furthermore you need SymLink option (I think it's called that) in your virtualhost enabled for it to follow symlinks
09:25.13arctanxFollowSymLinks maybe
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09:27.00anoHitohmm
09:27.14anoHitoi ran chmod +rx folder,same 403 error
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09:27.39Supaplextry the error log?
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09:38.44anoHitohmm
09:39.07anoHitoi did chmod +rx folder, how can i check that folder current status ?
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09:42.23SupaplexanoHito: ls -ld folder
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09:43.03anoHitoSupaplex, Thanks
09:43.45Supaplex!tell anoHito -about grounding
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09:45.56LostOnewhen deleting a file on ext3 partition, does it completely get overwritten with zeroes?
09:46.05Supaplexno
09:46.19LostOneonly the attributes?
09:46.26Supaplexthe inode metadata does however
09:46.29Supaplex!undelete
09:46.30dpkgsomebody said undeleting was Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files.  For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu.  With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and <ext3grep>.  With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL.  Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
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09:54.23Paivakilthat factoid is not entirely accurate. testdisk does quite a bit of file undeletion, afaik
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10:11.57Paivakilwtf http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian4.0r5/main/binary-amd64/
10:12.03Paivakillook at the footer!!!
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10:12.31mypapitwtf?
10:12.32Paivakilwhat is up?
10:13.04Paivakilwhat is up? - http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian4.0r5/main/binary-amd64/ > look at the footer. Microsoft IIS 6.0 is what is saying
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10:13.20Paivakils/what is/what it is
10:13.40Paivakilis this a joke? Debian running M$ IIS??
10:13.41mavhcwhat footer, don't see anything here
10:13.57MoRLoChme neither
10:14.17kblinPaivakil: you using a proxy?
10:15.58Paivakilsquid3 on debian sid
10:16.39kblinthere has to be something inserting that footer you see
10:16.53kblinbecause it's not there for three other people
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10:17.09avunetcraft confirms that it's running IIS..
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10:17.16Paivakilkindly see http://pastebin.ca/1278639
10:17.25VeGeekkblin: try ro refresh the page :)
10:17.30Paivakilhtml source  of that page
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10:18.25kblinVeGeek: oh
10:18.45VeGeekthere are 4 different servers
10:19.18Paivakilah well. each refresh is giving a slightly different version of the page
10:19.44mypapitPaivakil, i dont see any M$ IIS version on the footer
10:19.52Paivakilone version gives a opensource labs page; with "powerred by tdl" ,etc. footer
10:20.23kblinmypapit: they seem to be running a round robin with on IIS in the loop
10:20.31Paivakilone gives an apache2.2.3 at ftp.us.debian.org footer
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10:20.48Jadewolfumm where do error messages for bind9 go? not in /var/log/messages?
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10:21.22PaivakilI will post a screenshot on flickr
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10:21.37VeGeekhost ftp.us.debian.org
10:21.39MoRLoChJadewolf: /var/log/syslog I believe
10:21.49andriijashow can i update the PATH globally for all users on a system?
10:21.50kblinJadewolf: try /var/log/daemon.log
10:22.00JadewolfMoRLoCh was right
10:22.00VeGeek/etc/environment
10:22.14VeGeekand /etc/profile
10:23.09andriijasVeGeek: thx
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10:25.03tosmodue do problems i had with my graphics driver i updated to xserver-xorg/experimental, now some keys on the keyboard (pc104 de layout) are misconfigured (arrow's don't work). i remember that problem from ubuntu some month ago, but i forgot what it was about
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10:25.52andriijasone more question, what time at day does "daily" cron jobs run at?
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10:26.34MoRLoChandriijas: look at your copy of /etc/crontab
10:27.56andriijasMoRLoCh: thx
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10:29.48anoHitoif i need to make a symplink to a folder ,i do need to create a folder before i do ln -sf ?
10:29.57petemcno
10:30.16anoHitohmm
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10:33.50tosmonotify-send
10:35.10anoHitopetemc, yes you were right.
10:36.11szonektosmo: maybe you know which package is it?
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10:37.25szonektosmo: ok i found it
10:37.27szonekthanks
10:37.46proleonemmm im getting stuck, my boot loader has messed up and ive got a console open im trying to reinstall it onto my debian disk
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10:43.56anoHitopetemc, fixed it,thanks
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10:44.20anoHitoButt3rfly, how come a folder which is symplinked can not be displayed on the web ?
10:44.30anoHitoi meant petemc , sorry Butt3rfly
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10:46.18Butt3rfly:) no problem anoHito
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10:47.50petemcanoHito: that depends on the webserver, the default apache show follow symlinks
10:48.22anoHitopetemc, i see.
10:48.41petemcs/show/should/
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10:50.51VeGeekmencoder, not?
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10:59.05ShishKababHi. Is there a repository with more recent NVidia drivers than in the contrib repository?
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11:01.38anoHitoi need to create username and passwd in .htaccess to protect a folder
11:02.04anoHitoi use htpasswd /path/to/the/file/.passwd user password ,it does not work
11:02.27anoHitothat .passwd does not exit ,i thought it will create it automatically
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11:03.02petemcanoHito: man htpasswd
11:03.17anoHitook
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11:06.50cYmenHow can I check if the debian php package has imap and ssl support?
11:07.22castcould look at the build options
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11:07.39castsometimes executables have a flag that'll print what was compiled in
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11:11.56anoHitofixed it, thanks petemc .:)
11:12.16anoHitodebian rocks
11:12.53anoHitoby the way, my current apt source.1st security update is set to the official one ,so if i would stay with etch by then lenny is out,will it be any conflict ?
11:13.11anoHitoi mean,i would like to still get updates for etch even when lenny is out by then.
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11:13.44anoHitoin my source.1st it is stated as 'stable' in the offical security updates line.
11:14.38petemcif you dont want to upgrade to lenny when it releases, change that to etch
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11:22.59pk_hey
11:24.10pk_After having installed debian with no ethernet card, is it possible to add the driver (wich is in my boot CD) without reinstalling everything ?
11:24.41liablewhat do you mean its in your boot cd?
11:25.34pk_The installer CD.
11:26.04liableif it was in the installer kernel, it should be in your running kernel
11:26.06MoRLoChpk_: just for my curiosity, what ethernet card is it?
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11:26.38pk_It's a syslink WPMGA
11:28.21pk_liable, how do I tell debian to use it then ?
11:28.52petemcif the kernel has a driver, it should just work
11:28.54MoRLoChpk_: I have never head of that, what is the pci id? (from lspci)
11:29.15liablepk_: set it up like you do with any ethernet card. use ifconfig from the cli, or interfaces file for permanent setup
11:30.06Internathmms.. can an XFS partition be shrunk?
11:32.34MoRLoChInternat: IIRC it can only be grown
11:32.48Internatbugga
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11:34.07pk_MoRLoCh: I did lspci -nn but the name didn't show up
11:34.39liablepk_: does 'ifconfig -a' show any eth interfaces?
11:34.53MoRLoChpk_: ok, I was just curious, I won't make you waste more time, thanks anyway
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11:36.23rhineheart_mhello.. I just added NIC2 in my debian machine.. why  is it that it won't show up after doing ifconfig?
11:36.44nubbunrhineheart_m: module loaded?
11:36.50nubbunrhineheart_m: shown in lspci?
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11:38.06pk_liable: ethernet isn't mentioned
11:38.22burghello. when i try to install debian, the installer tells me that it can not detect any cd rom (the installer that runs from the cd rom o.O) - what shall i do?
11:38.22pk_liable: but I don't realy understand the output
11:39.00rhineheart_mnubbun, it doesn't show up.. I'm using DLINK ethernet 10/100
11:39.02liablepk_: does it show anything than 'lo' ?
11:39.58pk_liable: yeah, I have a sit0
11:40.04nubbunburg: if we can't help here, try also irc.debian.org:#debian-boot
11:40.23burgthanks
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11:42.51liablepk_: no eth0 or anything other than lo and sit0?
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11:43.14pk_liable: no
11:43.32liablepk_: then i presume your card isnt supported.
11:43.51liablepk_: what makes you think it was supported in the installer?
11:44.03burgmm seems that they can`t help me either
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11:45.43pk_liable: When I first launched the installer it gave me a list of the driver It could use for my card, I didn't know it at the time but I think the right for me was there (RaLink something)
11:46.27liablepk_: if it gave you a list of drivers, its usually because the kernel couldnt autodetect it, so its likely unsupported with that kernel
11:46.37liablepk_: which debian version are you running?
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11:47.07pk_liable: etch, stable branch
11:48.12pk_liable: the last one
11:48.43liablepk_: is it a server or personall box?
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11:50.02liableif its a server, you can try a backports.org kernel (2.6.24 i think) or otherwise install lenny (its soon to be stable) what you really need to do is find out whether the card is supported at all..
11:50.26pk_liable: It has a desktop environment and everything. I don't think it's a server version
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12:02.41ilaihopk_: You may try install etchnhalf kernel
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12:02.55ilaihopk_: there is no server and desktop versions of Debian
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12:03.17ilaihopk_: there is only one version. some installations may have desktop environment installed and some not
12:04.00hoxutasksel also has a "desktop" task IIRC
12:04.25ilaihohoxu: but that is not any "desktop version"
12:04.35ilaihoit is the same debian GNU/Linux
12:04.40vltOk, I got a little Heisenbug here: I created a plugin that hooks into phpmailer_init and sets some SMTP values. Whenever I set $phpmailer->SMTPDebug to TRUE everything works fine (despite the htnl entity used in the subject line). Whe I set it back to FALSE the mail isn't sent and I get an error msg: "mail could not be sent, possile reason: disbaled mail()". Any idea?
12:04.46hoxuyes, that was FYI ;)
12:05.27techmagoHi all, how do I properly rotate my screen content by 90° with xrandr?
12:05.48vltomg, sorry, wrong channel.
12:06.35pk_ilaiho: thx
12:07.19techmagoMy virtual resolution is 1600x1600 and my physical resolution is 1600x1200.
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12:07.58ilaihopk_: the package name should begin with linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf
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12:33.55DGnomeHi! A friends lenny-box started rendering Thai-language wrong in iceweasel after an upgrade, utf-8 is selected and autodetect is off, fonts render as blocks containing alphanumeric pairs... Any ideas where I should start looking?
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12:34.26xozDGnome: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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12:36.19DGnomexoz: didn't do much
12:37.06DGnomexoz: I'll try enabling more UTF-8 languages..
12:38.49xozDGnome: try locale-purge
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12:41.11DGnomexoz: dpkg --purge?
12:41.20DGnomethere is no executable by that name
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12:48.41DGnomeinstalled localepurge now, see what that does :)
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12:51.55DGnomeno luck
12:52.13DGnomeI purged all locales but the ones that are needed..
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12:54.53DGnomeI have another lenny-install here that basically has the same setup and everything works like a charm..
12:57.39frozty_sahi all. I've having a bit of trouble trying to compile a driver package against the debian kernel, wondering if anyone could perhaps advise a bit. some details at http://paste.debian.net/23043/ , any insight to what I might need to do otherwise would be appreciated
12:58.00burghello. when i try to install debian, the installer tells me that it can not detect any cd rom (the installer that runs from the cd rom o.O) - what shall i do?
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12:59.37frozty_saburg: do you have another disc drive available which you could use?
12:59.53AussieGuyhi, im installing debian into a qemu virtual machine.....it appears to have frozen on the loading additional compents screen where it says 'retreiving apt-setup-udeb'
13:00.15burgno, i only have one hdd and one cdrom
13:03.09DGnomexoz: any other ideas, other than reinstalling?
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13:05.10AussieGuyi rebooted the debain install, seems to have gotten over that freeze
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13:07.07proleoneburg, try the etchnhalf netinst disk
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13:08.14DGnomeburg: or you can try the kmuto installers... http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
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13:10.23maxigasi am on Debian without GUI.  i can mount my pendrive.  i can only write it as root, but i want to write it as normal user.  how?
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13:12.53DGnomeAnybody got any ideas on how to check if my lenny-box has it's UTF-8 -support in order?
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13:15.27burgwhat is etchnhalf netinst disk?
13:15.45DGnomeburg: an installer with a backported kernel, better hardware support
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13:17.11DGnomeAh, found another use for wikipedia, I can now compare a list of languages writings supported in my browsers. This shows that one lenny-box lacks support for more languages than another...
13:17.35DGnomenow to figure out how and what to fix
13:18.24themillDGnome: it sounds like its the fonts that you have installed.
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13:19.14DGnomethemill: I'm suspecting that also..
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13:19.39DGnomeCyrillic works
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13:20.05burgDGnome: and where can i find it?
13:20.08DGnomeBut the asian and the arabic languages seem to be worse off
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13:20.28DGnomeburg: google etchnhalf
13:21.15themilldpkg: tell burg about etchnhalf
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13:29.01liable!qotd0
13:29.01dpkg< stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing?
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13:32.12ThePuppetMasteri have a question about the bootparameter vga= for my debian etch kernel ... i use a 1024x768 display ... so i want to configure my boot-screen to vga=791 but after select and boot my kernel i got the errormessage "i select the wront value" .. after a "scan" i get a set of values i can use .. but the list show's only the values for colsxrows, and not pixel's .. how i can configure my boot-params so that i nefer need enter the value by
13:32.12ThePuppetMasterhand ?
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13:32.58ThePuppetMasterthe errormessage is: "u passed a undefined mode number"
13:33.28RichiHThePuppetMaster: are you using a standard kernel?
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13:33.46ThePuppetMasteryeah .. its a netinstall from debian
13:34.17ThePuppetMasterbut .. on another systems works this fine, only on this nw maschine
13:34.21ThePuppetMasternew
13:34.31DGnomethemill: some of the xfonts-* pakages were missing, that might be the source of the problems
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13:35.18ThePuppetMasteri'm sure u mean me @ DGnome .. or? :]
13:36.02DGnomeThePuppetMaster: no, not the least.
13:36.24ThePuppetMasteroh .. ok .. my mistake
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13:39.06Pinchiukasis there a way to increase the wireless signal more than setting it to maximum on windows? I have an intel 3945 card
13:39.22themillDGnome: possibly. I don't know what the unicode coverage is like for those fonts.
13:39.28DGnomethemill: yup, missing xfonts-* packages were the reason
13:39.38themillDGnome: excellent.
13:39.58DGnomewrites a mental note about xfonts-packages
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13:41.25bughunter2by checking docs i can't find it
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13:41.53bughunter2SystemFAILURE: F A I L
13:41.55bughunter2:P
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13:42.12proleoneanyone play with esx 3i much? im trying to add it to my lilo menu
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13:42.18proleoneim not having much luck
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13:44.51XTZGZoReXWhat's the shell command to search through all files on / for a specific phrase and diplay the matching lines(+file name)?
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13:48.14anonymous69augrep -ilr "<your search term" /
13:48.15polywaffleI cannot burn disks
13:48.18polywafflein brasero
13:48.21polywaffleany ideas?
13:48.28anonymous69augrep -ilr "<your search term>" /
13:49.11XTZGZoReXThanks
13:49.56anonymous69autake out the l if you want it to display the content of the files at the same time
13:50.15anonymous69authe l makes it list matching files in a list without showing snipplets of the file
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14:02.44black_Nightmare_just wondering if the debian dvd1 could see the dvd2 disc in another optical drive on the same pc? (rather than swapping disc in and out of the same one drive that is)
14:04.01epsilonnever tried, but guess you can tell which dev
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14:06.25black_Nightmare_epsilon thanks anyhow
14:06.42black_Nightmare_nice to see (wasn't so the last time I bothered checking it) they finally have dvd version
14:07.04black_Nightmare_I always thought any os needing more than 4 disc was just a bit stupidly nuts ... no offense meant :p
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14:08.50epsilondvd are available already a while... but never used them, only netinstall with local mirror
14:10.00black_Nightmare_well yeah I'm just saying that the last time I checked (however long ago that must had been I forgot) it was only 14+ cds and no other means
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14:16.31black_Nightmare_epsilon if you don't mind me asking, how many computers you have and what os for them?
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14:36.19tuxcrafterhi all i am search for information how desktop enviorments like fluxbox, xfce, gnome, kde are being started. I am pretty familair with the linux system and am just making sure i am going in the righ direction, the reason is i have developt my own desktop env and want to intergrate it next to other enviorments
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14:40.31nkuttlertuxcrafter: fluxbox is a de? i guess freedesktop.org is a start
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14:41.53TrueDDHi all
14:45.06tuxcrafternkuttler: i am looking for for the way how for example gdm sees the desktop enviorments...
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14:46.32nkuttlertuxcrafter: 'sees'?
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14:47.13Batchytuxcrafter: desktops files in some /usr/share/xsessions directory ?
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14:51.40nascentmindhow do i install flash player 10 onto kde? i made it scan the plugins folder and the plugin is listed but it still uses gnash.
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14:53.30xanGood afternoon, I want to add disks to my mdadm raid 0 array, can this be done by simply doing: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdd1 ?
14:53.39nascentmindcan anybody help me?
14:53.46xanAnd will no data be lost? as sdd1 isn't formatted to a file system yet
14:54.47epsilonafaik adobe-flash has been kicked out cause it's unsafe
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14:55.07nascentmindepsilon, the latest flash player 10 works quite well..
14:55.14nascentmindepsilon, for 64bit.
14:55.50nascentmindepsilon, konqueror has associated with gnash and i don't know how to remove the association.
14:56.03nascentmindand put this.
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14:57.32nascentmindepsilon, ah got it.. moved the netscape plugins up and gnash down..
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14:57.59nascentmindwell atleast now my cpu won't jump to 100% everytime when that crap gnash loads.
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15:02.52eptalonheyas
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15:05.49eptalonAnything special to looki out for when installing Debian inside a VM? (are there VBox images?)
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15:09.20Eulexeptalon, no (to the question within parantheses)
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15:10.55eptalonEulex: I thought so..
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15:15.11daemonHey all, im using lenny I have two usb dvd/cd writers and both work for reading disks, gnome auto mounts them too. when I try to use serpentine(or any other writer) it says it fails to write to them, try a lower speed. bot fail at even 1x dvd or cd even though there capable of 52x (both work at 52x in other operating systems (FreeBSD/NetBSD/Gentoo), I considered some strange permission problem so I set chmod 777 on both devic
15:15.11daemones, both still fail..
15:15.26SystemFAILUREI want to change my Debianbox language from it_IT to en_GB . How to do that ? 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' just regenerates the it_IT locale , nothing else .. Thank you .
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15:16.17asgSystemFAILURE: dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales (make sure to select en_GB and enable it as default)
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15:16.30SystemFAILUREasg:: -plow is default
15:16.37SystemFAILUREasg:: and anyhow , nothing changes
15:16.46SystemFAILUREasg:: it regenerates it_IT
15:17.48asgSystemFAILURE: it should prompt you for other locales and at the end allow you to choose the default
15:18.10SystemFAILUREasg:: yes i know , but it does not ..
15:18.50asgSystemFAILURE: what version of debian are you running?
15:18.57SystemFAILUREasg:: 4.0
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15:19.03SystemFAILUREasg:: r3
15:19.22stewSystemFAILURE: does it ask you anything at all when you "dpkg-reconfigure locales" ?
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15:20.10SystemFAILUREpredator:~# dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
15:20.10SystemFAILUREGenerating locales...
15:20.10SystemFAILURE<PROTECTED>
15:20.10SystemFAILUREGeneration complete.
15:20.10SystemFAILUREpredator:~#
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15:20.20SystemFAILUREOpz wrong window
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15:20.45SystemFAILUREhttp://paste.debian.net/23051/
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15:23.30SystemFAILUREWhat can I do ?
15:23.39stewSystemFAILURE: did you try "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog dpkg-reconfigure locales" ?
15:23.46SystemFAILUREstew:: yes
15:23.52SystemFAILUREstew:: nothing changes
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15:25.04stewSystemFAILURE: what version of locales is installed?
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15:26.09SystemFAILUREstew:: 2.7.9-4
15:26.16cYmenWhere do I put a -D SSL for apache?
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15:27.08dashsI don't understand the package-name rules for a custom kernel.  Can I have an example?  The handbook provides no coherent example of a subarch or where a dash must go.
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15:28.52cahootdashs: sure you need a custom name?
15:28.53SystemFAILUREstew:: ?
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15:29.15cahootdashs: (I never bother)
15:29.15stewjudd: versions locales
15:29.16juddstew: locales -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-3
15:29.30stewSystemFAILURE: are you running debian?
15:29.47SystemFAILUREpredator:~# cat /etc/issue
15:29.48SystemFAILUREDebian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
15:30.07stewSystemFAILURE: how did you determine your locales version?
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15:30.25SystemFAILUREstew:: searching for 'Package: locales' in /var/lib/dpkg/status
15:30.33stewSystemFAILURE: that version has never been in debian
15:30.46stewSystemFAILURE: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy locales" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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15:31.23dashscahoot: just trying to play the game
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15:31.55triflerHello. when put a text file on my webserver the swedish letters åäö comes out as jibbersih. Is this a problem with the httpd or my web browser?
15:32.28\amethysttrifler:   it's a problem with either the file or the web server
15:32.28\amethysttrifler:  the web server doesn't know the correct encoding for the file
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15:33.20cahootdashs: if you don't bother you get a deb like:  linux-image-2.6.27.8_2.6.27.8-10.00.Custom_i386.deb
15:33.33daemonoh hey cahoot, I checked wodim I pasted it to freenode :) (pastebin)
15:33.41SystemFAILUREstew:: okay wait
15:33.45\amethysttrifler:   you can check what encoding the file is in with the command 'file'
15:34.08trifler\amethyst: Roger
15:34.18SystemFAILUREstew:: http://paste.debian.net/23054/
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15:35.15\amethysttrifler:  you can convert with iconv or recode;  or you can configure your web server to send a different charset header with that file
15:35.32dutchfishenouf, hi
15:35.36trifler\amethyst: I conv the file to utf-8 no it's fine. Ty
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15:36.06SystemFAILUREstew:: i'm going to try reinstalling it , okay ?
15:37.13dashscahoot:  I specified local version (and append-it) in the .config because I thought it would make a separately-named modules tree in /lib.
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15:38.38\amethysttrifler:  also if you have the mod-mime module enabled  (a2enmod mime)   you can name Latin-1 files   foo.html.latin1   and looking up  foo.html  will return the file, with the correct charset header
15:38.55\amethysttrifler:  in case you in the future have some file that you can't convert for whatever reason
15:40.07trifler\amethyst: roger
15:40.51tuxcrafterdoes somebody knows how this file works: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start
15:41.07dutchfishhi, i probably found a kernel bug, related to /proc/mtrr letting X to freeze and seriously criple the system, this is not related to just one videocard but aplies tomany i have tested so far, any help would be welcome to solve it
15:41.19tuxcrafterif i want to add an script that starts my destop enviromment like start-enviroment how should i intergrate it
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15:42.33casperroi
15:42.42casperrI need some help getting compiz to work xD
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15:43.19casperrwhen I try to run "compiz --replace" I get this: "Starting gtk-window-decorator
15:43.19casperr/usr/bin/compiz: line 393:  8033 Segmentation fault      ${COMPIZ_BIN_PATH}${COMPIZ_NAME} $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS
15:43.46dutchfishcasperr, that might as well related to my findings
15:44.05dutchfishcasperr, 32 or 64 bit?
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15:45.31casperrdutchfish: oi, sorry, x locked up when i tried to run the command again, uhm, im running lenny/32-bit
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15:45.56dutchfishcasperr, ok, what card?
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15:48.08dutchfishcasperr, and could you post me the output of cat /proc/mtrr to pastebin?
15:49.34casperrwurd
15:49.42casperrdutchfish: its a Geforce 8600 GT
15:49.56dutchfishcasperr, ok
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15:52.11casperrdutchfish: http://pastebin.com/m6707bfc6
15:52.46dutchfishcasperr, does th esize match with your cards memmory?
15:53.05casperrno
15:53.11casperrmy card has 512mb
15:53.14dutchfishcasperr, have at look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/204996
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15:54.01casperralright
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15:54.25casperri really like debian and wanna get compiz working, but if not ill just use ubuntu
15:54.33dutchfishcasperr, a workaround is to setup /proc/mtrr manually, that solved at least my problem, examples are on the net. I am delving into it (kernel) atm to try to get a grip on it
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15:54.49bbelt16aghey peeps
15:54.57dutchfishcasperr, ubuntu has the same problems, i tried intriped myself, the same
15:55.03casperrhmm
15:55.14casperrdutchfish: ubuntu works right outta the box for me with compiz
15:55.17bbelt16ags there a way to show the date of packages installed with dpkg  --get-selections
15:55.21kqrhey, is there a quick way to get some kind of dual screen in debian?
15:55.33casperrdutchfish: how would I setup /proc/mtrr manually ?
15:55.41dutchfishcasperr, if you are lucky and 2.6.27-7 does not mess it up, yes
15:55.49\amethystbbelt16ag:  no, you have to look through /var/log/dpkg.log
15:55.58bbelt16agok
15:56.00dutchfishcasperr, somehting like this: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=38790
15:56.22casperrdutchfish: sweet, thankds
15:56.33dutchfishcasperr, for your info curent stable ubuntu lets X freeze too with same hardware
15:56.41casperroh shitty
15:56.52casperrx doesnt freeze for me, just the window borders disapear
15:57.02dutchfishcasperr, i think its a kernel issue
15:57.08casperrand I get that segfault and compiz just fails to start\
15:57.23dutchfishcasperr, yep, its related
15:57.27casperrand aiglx is enabled
15:57.31casperralright cool
15:57.51dutchfishcasperr, and file a bug report please
15:58.12enoufdutchfish: can you pastebin the diff between the 2 stock debian kernel configs? (between the one that works, and one that doesn't - hopefully close in versioning)
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15:58.47dutchfishenouf, i worked on it for 10 hours straight, i will do later, but no revelations on that part
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15:58.52enoufcasperr: window borders disappearing is usually indicative of an issue with your WM
15:58.54casperrdutchfish: alright, will do
15:59.27bbelt16agbah I can't find it its some sort of  cli based networking app that allowed me to see how much data  was  being downlaoded from my server
15:59.30enoufbut, compiz related stuffs, i don't know much about - try #compiz-fusion maybe
15:59.30dutchfishenouf, inestead i am now trying to delve into the kernels mtrr code and run difs on that
15:59.46aioobehi! Is there any way I can remove a file with a filename with an invalid encoding?
15:59.54dutchfishenouf, and no its not bios related
15:59.59enoufdutchfish: well - i'd like to see if that missing config option is related
16:00.10dutchfishenouf, run x-setups on 10 dif hardware
16:00.30enoufdutchfish: it might well be - it's just that certain earlier config options may have ..er surpressed the BIOS bugginess
16:00.50dutchfishenouf, no, it isnt, from 2.6.25-7 there no more such options in kernel. period.
16:01.18enoufdutchfish: right - and the versions afterwards have your issue
16:01.24dutchfishenouf, could well be, but it is kernel related
16:01.33dutchfishenouf, bingo
16:01.39enoufno comprehende - /me no talk in circles amigo
16:01.42enouf:-P
16:02.13stonedsure you do
16:02.14dutchfishenouf, i am tired now, just need soem help in speeding up the analisation process
16:02.19stonedyou're all about the circle
16:02.25stonedanalisation?
16:02.31enoufdutchfish: i'm trying to tell you that that particular config option was removed for a reason
16:02.33kqris there a way to plug in an external monitor to my laptop and use that one as a secondary monitor without restarting Xorg?
16:02.33dutchfishanalyze
16:02.34stonedyou mean lol analyzation
16:02.35stoned;)
16:02.45dutchfishyes, sorry for my poor english
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16:03.46dutchfishenouf, for your info i ran against 32/64 bit with intel, nvidia and amd cards, its all the same apart from one intel wich doesnt choke on it
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16:04.10dutchfishenouf, also on dif machines (i have only 10 dif machines)
16:04.11enoufdutchfish: and the key/hint is somewhere within the /boot-options.txt i mentioned (most likely) - (something like maybe a /dev/agpgart and aperture being set when it's not needed - i want you also to try booting with pci=nommconf option
16:04.29enoufdutchfish: or 'iommu=noaperture'
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16:04.34dutchfishenouf, tried them all, but no, its kernel <-> mtrr
16:04.52dutchfishenouf, tried thta one, but no
16:05.15dutchfishenouf, unless i want 2.5x performance loss, no thx
16:05.20enoufdutchfish: do you know what role mtrr plays? - don't be so constrained in your tshooting
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16:05.40dutchfishenouf, its all albout burst access the video mem
16:05.42enoufdo you know what mtrr is even? Memory Type Range Register
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16:05.59enoufand that involves GART and aperture
16:06.07dutchfishenouf, yup
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16:06.37enoufdutchfish: so - do the chnagelogs (git even) mention why that option was removed?
16:06.41dutchfishenouf, but if X is handed the wrong storage, it will break
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16:06.56dutchfishenouf, that is the right q
16:07.11pifstrange, my system's /tmp is no longer 1777, is that the correct perm?
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16:07.57enoufdutchfish: in all the debian kernels i have here (2.6.8-3-686, 2.6.16-2-686, 2.6.23-686, 2.6.26-1-686) the only mtrr entry is this CONFIG_MTRR=y
16:07.59pifis there a debian tool to verify base file permissions?
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16:08.33dutchfishenouf, i come back on this, i need some rest, till later
16:08.33rgammanspif: I believe so my /tmp is `drwxrwxrwt' . I seem to recall having problems if it isn't
16:08.40enoufpif: debsums
16:08.45pifenouf: thx
16:08.57enoufrgammans: yes, /tmp is usually 1777
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16:09.04rgammanspif: I've seen the perms reset when I've tried to move /tmp into it's own filesystem
16:09.05enoufwith the t for sticky
16:09.18casperris there a way for me to ssh into my server, wget a file then logout, but leave it downloading ?
16:09.25pifrgammans: yes, ssh agentforwarding fails without 1777
16:09.28enoufstat /tmp
16:09.47d-bcasperr: yes wget -b i think it is
16:09.52casperrwget 0b ?
16:09.55casperrwget -b ?
16:09.56casperralright
16:10.03d-bman wget
16:10.29casperrswet, thanks
16:10.31casperrits wget -b
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16:16.34enoufsee screen as an alternative - and this for info http://wooledge.org:8000/ProcessManagement
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16:17.15enoufstoned: is this you? --> <JoeNewbie> I want to run something in the background and then log out
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16:19.00pifa surprising number of packages don't have md5sums, isn't it mandatory?
16:19.14pifjust ran debsums
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16:21.18enouf!debsums
16:21.19dpkg[debsums] a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files.
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16:21.48enoufpif: where are you getting those .debs from :-P
16:22.12pif"debsums: no md5sums for squid"
16:22.27MaveasHow do I install AMP the easy way? And how can I get the shell to show my hostname?
16:22.57enoufMaveas: b) set your $PROMPT_COMMAND in .bashrc
16:23.01pifuses sid
16:23.07enoufer ..
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16:23.30pifPS1 you mean
16:23.59enouf$PS1
16:24.04enoufright
16:24.13enoufMaveas: echo $PS1
16:24.18pifPS1='%m:%~%# '
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16:25.21zcalusici need help with grml, anybody used that?
16:25.27enouf\u@\h:\w\$ ' will suffice
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16:25.43enoufzcalusic: there's a #grml channel
16:25.55zcalusici know, but nobody's alive there
16:26.03enoufi'd think some people in there have used it :-)
16:26.14enoufi have - but it's OT here - try ##linux
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16:26.21pifzcalusic: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=grml
16:26.23zcalusici would like to replace default kernel with my own, quick and dirty, is it possible?
16:26.25sackhackerhi anybody
16:26.32enoufor wait for them to awaken from the dead
16:26.40sackhackercan anyone tell me in which package epstopdf is included?
16:26.53enoufsackhacker: /msg dpkg apt-file
16:26.58enoufsackhacker: /msg dpkg search
16:27.15sackhackerit isn't installed yet
16:27.22enoufsee 1st option
16:27.41enoufor - alternatively - see pdo
16:27.44enouf!pdo
16:27.44dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
16:27.56pifor install apt-file
16:28.21pifalias aff='apt-file find' in your shell
16:28.33pifaff epstopdf
16:28.46sackhackerok i will try that shell tool
16:29.11sackhackerthank you
16:29.12pif'apt-file update' first
16:29.19sackhackerok
16:29.32enouflikes apt-file search <filename> - syntax is like apt-cache ;-)
16:29.46sackhackerfine
16:29.53enoufthat factoid tells him to do so
16:30.00sackhackerupdate is in progress
16:30.11enouf!\o/
16:30.11dpkg[\o/] w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
16:30.31enouf!seen wols
16:30.32dpkgi haven't seen 'wols', enouf
16:30.38enouf:-(
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16:31.17sackhackeranyone of you familar with kde4 in schroot?
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16:31.32enoufMaveas: amp? the easy way? apt-get install <pkgname>
16:31.47enoufsackhacker: no - try #debian-kde maybe
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16:32.15pifisn't kde dying?
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16:32.19epsilonI prefer KDE 3.5, 4 is still buggy imhp
16:32.27sackhackerright
16:32.47sackhackerbut it's funny to see the many bugs
16:33.04enoufpif: i think it's eating itself into a slow bloated death .. so perhaps
16:33.07alysI don't like KDE as a desktop environment but there are some interesting applications that I use.
16:33.18enoufalys: indeed
16:33.24epsilonalys: ack
16:33.28pifalys: which ones
16:33.33alysYes - I liked their fax
16:33.41epsilonsmall applets
16:33.47enoufklipper, konsole
16:33.57epsilonkwlan, kbluetooth
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16:34.07pifthey drag huge runtimes along
16:34.07alysefax has now gotten itself a gui - but it was a bit difficult at first
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16:34.57enoufbut that whole SoundServer + AutoCorrect typing shit has got to go (just to name a couple)
16:35.16Schiz0Hey. I'm in the process of setting up a http/irc/sql server. In etch, I noticed that many packages are far behind, version-wise (For example, the version of php). I'm looking into moving to lenny/testing. As far as I can tell, lenny is currently frozen and is only getting bugfixes. What's everyone's opinion on running lenny on a production box? I'll be able to update it daily, so that's not an issue.
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16:35.53rhineheart_mhello.. how to detect NIC that can't be available in mere ifconfig command?
16:36.26pif-a
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16:36.32alysI updated Etch to Lenny - and regretted it!  In the end I had to re-install Etch.  And  that was only a month ago.  I guess Lenny has to mature a bit more.
16:36.47pifyou should try sid then
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16:37.12WyzardSchiz0: The version of PHP in etch seems to be 5.2.0, which isn't that old (current is 5.2.7)
16:37.21Schiz0alys: what did you regret about it? I really need more-recent versions of various software. If I were to use etch, I'd have to compile everything by hand :-\
16:37.21rhineheart_mwhy in my system lspci is not supported. Bash unknown
16:37.33[fuz]Schiz0, maybe stay at etch and use mirro from http://dotdeb.org ?
16:37.46[fuz]it's have php 5.2.7
16:37.46Schiz0dotdeb? Hm, I'll check it out
16:38.21Schiz0I'm reading through the list of release-critical bugs in lenny, making sure that nothing I need/use is bugged
16:38.24Schiz0and it seems fine so far
16:38.30WyzardUnless there are new things in 5.2.7 that aren't in 5.2.0 and that you actually need, I'd recommend sticking with etch's official PHP packages rather than using third-party unofficial ones
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16:39.04alysSchiz0:  My debian box just became unstable - I cannot remember individual apps at present.  You may be sure I was glad to get back to Etch.  I don't mind compiling apps by hand as I only do a few installs from source.
16:39.06rhineheart_mis there a way to force install NIC?
16:39.53Schiz0rhineheart_m: What you're asking probably should be "how can I install the proper drivers for a NIC that was undetected"
16:39.54alysYes - I can recall that gxine just refused to run under Lenny and that is a very reliable program normally
16:39.55sackhackerepstopdf is ready now. Thanks again for your help on discover new things
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16:40.14Schiz0and alright guys. thanks
16:40.17rhineheart_mSchiz0, yeah. I guess that's it! I'm using DLINK
16:40.20enoufrhineheart_m: why is your lspci broken and why would you need to force install anything?
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16:40.44Schiz0also, what's the status of lenny? I haven't been paying much attention to debian lately...how long has it been frozen for? is there a release date estimate?
16:40.44rhineheart_menouf, I dunno.. lspci is not showing
16:40.44ringo999hi i installed texlive on debian lenny, wondering where to install additional environments to?
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16:40.58enoufSchiz0: the way to stay with etch and use newer software is to /msg dpkg backports.org
16:41.02rhineheart_menouf, bash: lspci: command not found
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16:41.17enoufrhineheart_m: install pci-utils or whatever it is
16:41.21patrikfringo999: environments?
16:41.33enoufpciutils: /bin/lspci
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16:41.45enoufrhineheart_m: echo $PATH
16:41.51enoufrhineheart_m: are you in busybox?
16:42.12rhineheart_menouf, what do you mean in busybox?
16:42.27Wyzardenouf: hmm, it's /usr/bin/lspci on my system (still pciutils though)
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16:42.30rhineheart_menouf, /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
16:42.32enoufrhineheart_m: answer my other questions
16:42.45enoufWyzard: i'm on lenny/sid
16:42.49ringo999patrikf: latex environments
16:43.00patrikfringo999: you mean packages?
16:43.12Wyzardenouf: I'm on sid, and just checked an etch machine, and it's /usr/bin/lspci on both
16:43.17h725hello, where can i find linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-8_amd64.deb for lenny? (in the repos there is only 2.6.26-10)
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16:43.27enoufWyzard: pciutils: /usr/bin/lspci
16:43.28enoufpciutils: /bin/lspci
16:43.31enoufit's in both
16:43.39patrikfringo999: you'd usually put them in the appropriate folder in /usr/local/share/texmf
16:43.45stonedone of them is probably a symlink
16:43.46stonedcheck it
16:43.46enoufWyzard: ~$ readlink -f /bin/lspci
16:43.49enouf/usr/bin/lspci
16:43.58Wyzardenouf: ah...  there one in /bin is a symlink on the etch machine, but doesn't exist on the sid machine
16:44.00enoufstoned: you're late :-P
16:44.04stonedyou're fat!
16:44.06stonedand old
16:44.10patrikfringo999: in your case probably /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex
16:44.15enoufsharpens his cane tip
16:44.17rhineheart_menouf, I did apt-cache search pci-utils but it's not existing in repo
16:44.18stonedhehe
16:44.27enoufrhineheart_m: it's pciutils
16:44.27Wyzardh725: Those kernels aren't available anymore because they're superseded by 2.6.26-10
16:44.40stoned!sdn
16:44.40ringo999patrikf: ok thanks I'll check that out
16:44.40dpkgsnapshots is probably an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
16:44.53h725Wyzard: 2.6.26-10 breaks suspend on my machine - and i cannot file a bug report if i don't double check
16:44.55stonedyou may find it here
16:44.57stonedh725,
16:45.06patrikfringo999: but check the texlive-* debian packages first (there's a lot of them), maybe it's already packaged :)
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16:45.18ringo999patrikf: alrighty
16:45.48Wyzardh725: hmm...  suspend was broken on my laptop (ThinkPad Z60m running sid) awhile back, but was fixed by a newer kernel
16:45.48TrewasSchiz0: lenny has been frozen since july, estimated release was in september... now they are wasting time with the usual sourceless-firmware flamewar and associated vote, so it's hard to guess when it will be released
16:45.59h725snapshot.debian.net does not contain any kernels > 2.6.24? (the one currently in etch)
16:46.15Schiz0Trewas: ok, thanks
16:46.21ringo999patrikf: specifically im looking for pseudocode
16:46.22rhineheart_menouf, here is it http://pastebin.com/d191c884c
16:46.42h725Wyzard: thinkpad x61 here... suspend works perfectly with 2.6.25 up to 2.6.26-8 ... no-go with -10
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16:47.02h725one suspend wakeup cycle works ... but at the 2nd wakeup the machine freezes
16:47.11patrikfringo999: http://tinyurl.com/6qglzw
16:47.13Wyzardoh, that's different than the problem I had
16:47.15h725so I'm back using the .25 from my initial installation of lenny
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16:47.31Wyzardhmm...  but 2.6.26-1 seems to be the latest in sid; where'd you see a 2.6.26-10?
16:47.34h725which is ok'isch but i cannot file a bugreport without further details
16:47.36enoufrhineheart_m: is this the NIC you want to work? 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
16:47.37rhineheart_menouf, this is my NIC: 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10)
16:47.42h725lenny
16:47.43enoufoh
16:48.01h725linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-10_amd64.deb
16:48.03Wyzardrhineheart_m: That's a pretty common NIC whose driver is included with the standard kernel and should be loaded automatically
16:48.06enouf!rtl8139
16:48.06dpkgwell, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver.  *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c>
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16:48.18enoufrhineheart_m: see what dpkg just mentioned
16:48.31h725thats the file that overwrote my former working kernel
16:48.54Wyzardh725: What does "uname -r" say?
16:48.58enoufrhineheart_m: i guess modprobe 8139too (you might need/want to blacklist 8139cp?)
16:49.18rhineheart_mh725, but I was using it before in the other box.. same distro debian
16:49.19enoufrhineheart_m: lsmod will show you which modules are loaded
16:49.20h725now it says:2.6.25-2-amd64 since i use suspend pretty frequently
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16:49.47Wyzardrhineheart_m: Does "lsmod | grep 8139" return anything?
16:49.49ringo999patrikf: beautiful ;-)
16:50.21enoufrhineheart_m: ifconfig -a and /msg dpkg interfaces
16:50.31rhineheart_mWyzard, http://pastebin.com/m4a92f8d7
16:50.50Wyzardrhineheart_m: the driver (8139too) is already loaded
16:51.00enoufrhineheart_m: grep 8139 /var/log/dmesg  <-- pastebin
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16:51.29h725Wyzard: i guess uname -r with the 26-1 kernel would say: 2.6.26-1
16:51.30enoufWyzard: sometime both the 8139cp and 8139too get loaded and conflict ... ugh
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16:51.49Wyzardh725: oh, I see; it's still the linux-image-2.6.26-1 package, just version 2.6.26-11
16:51.50enoufor .. am i thinking of different versions
16:51.57Wyzardkernel package versions vs. ABI versions can be confusing  :-)
16:52.06enoufindeed
16:52.07h725yes.. with version -8 it worked
16:52.10Wyzardh725: There's a 2.6.26-11 in sid that you could try
16:52.11h725i somehow missed -9
16:52.16h725and -10 broke suspend
16:52.16enouflikely an ABI bump
16:52.22enoufcheck the changelogs
16:52.28h725hm how do i install just this package from sid?
16:52.28rhineheart_menouf, http://pastebin.com/d4b3c0a6c
16:52.46Wyzardh725: http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64/download
16:53.00Wyzardenouf: it's still ABI version -1 though
16:53.09Wyzardor do you mean an accidental bump?
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16:53.10h725Wyzard: thx i'll try it
16:53.18rhineheart_menouf, http://pastebin.com/d477cf2ec
16:53.22enoufwonderful - a vmwarez weenie
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16:53.38enoufWyzard: no, i mean incidental ;-)
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16:54.20Wyzardenouf: VMware is pretty useful
16:54.30enoufsearch here for ABI http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-11/changelog
16:54.52enoufWyzard: that's nice - so nice that they even have a channel for them ;-)
16:55.00rhineheart_menouf, yeah. VMWare is useful
16:55.13Wyzardrhineheart_m: anyway, it looks like your NIC driver is loaded
16:55.26rhineheart_mWyzard, so how would I make it appear?
16:55.44Wyzardenouf: the presence of vmnet interfaces shouldn't have anything to do with setting up the physical 8139 interface though
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16:56.04Wyzard!tell rhineheart_m about interfaces
16:56.36enoufrhineheart_m: eth1 doesn't appear to be UP - check the HWaddr with your z25 file entries - are you even using Debian? if so, which release?
16:57.11enoufWyzard: right, and all software should Just Work [tm]
16:57.48rhineheart_menouf, m using debian etch. mmm..no rj45 yet connected to the NIC.. does it matter? :)
16:57.53dupondjehttp://paste2.org/p/112173
16:58.02dupondjeany id's ? getting this with debian lenny
16:58.10enoufhaha
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16:58.26rhineheart_menouf, ah okay.. mmmm....that matters
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16:59.20gigohi. I want to run multiple linux on my laptop. what emulator can I use?
16:59.35FoobarWidgetgigo: vmware or virtualbox
16:59.37Wyzardrhineheart_m: If the interface is configured to use DHCP, and there's no cable connected, it's no surprise that it didn't get an address and isn't up
16:59.40rhineheart_mwould an entry will be added automatically in /etc/network/interfaces one I will connect a cable to that NIC? Or I really need to set-up manually there for eth1?
16:59.49Wyzardyou need to add one manually
17:00.05FoobarWidgetis it possible to 'dummy-install' a collection of debian packages? I just want to test whether they'd pass the dependency checks if I try to install them, not to actually install them
17:00.21gigoFoobarWidget: are they available as debian packages in repository?
17:00.30enoufif you have DHCP set then ifup eth1 (or ifconfig eth1 up) should just work
17:00.35rhineheart_mWyzard, is it allow-hotplug eth1?
17:00.37FoobarWidgetgigo: virtualbox is
17:00.37WyzardFoobarWidget: run aptitude (in its interactive mode) and mark them for installation
17:00.45enoufrhineheart_m: that works as well ...
17:00.48WyzardFoobarWidget: that should work
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17:00.58FoobarWidgetWyzard: is it possible to do it automatically with no user interaction? I'm trying to write automated unit tests
17:01.02enoufrhineheart_m: but that's not the static/dhcp line
17:01.02gigois it true that virtualbox is open source while vmware is not?
17:01.05Wyzardgigo: VirtualBox is open-source and packaged...  VMware is more mature, but non-free and not available as .deb packages
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17:01.21gigoWyzard: more mature in the sense?
17:01.22rhineheart_menouf, this one: iface eth1 inet static
17:01.22WyzardVirtualBox also has a non-free version with some additional features
17:01.27enoufrhineheart_m: that's instead of, or in combination with the 'auto eth1' line
17:01.33gigook
17:01.52enoufrhineheart_m: well, with static, you want to define an address
17:01.52Wyzardgigo: been around longer, has more features (like 3D acceleration)
17:02.02gigook
17:02.09enoufrhineheart_m: if you don't msgthebot, i will have her spank you
17:02.13enouf;-)
17:02.22WyzardI can't give you a good comparison because I'm not very knowledgeable about what VirtualBox can do
17:02.36dupondjehttp://paste2.org/p/112173 -> getting this error in debian lenny, any id how to solve ? cause network died after it ...
17:02.57rhineheart_menouf, allow-hotplug eth1
17:02.57rhineheart_mand iface eth1 inet static then set address netmask and gateway? right?
17:03.05enoufFoobarWidget: i just use the -s option
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17:03.19FoobarWidgetenouf: is that for dpkg, apt or aptitude?
17:03.41enoufrhineheart_m: i believe you might not even need to set subnet mask .. maybe not even gateway - check with route and arp
17:04.01enoufrhineheart_m: msgthebot - and read - last time
17:04.10enoufFoobarWidget: apt and aptitude
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17:04.36rhineheart_mWyzard, virtualbox can't run better xp guest than vmware..I guess
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17:05.22Wyzardrhineheart_m: I don't understand that statement
17:05.34WyzardI've installed XP in VirtualBox (just to try it out) and it seemed to work fine
17:05.34enoufme neither
17:05.48rhineheart_mWyzard, I mean.. xp guest runs better in vmware server2 than in virtualbox :)
17:05.51FoobarWidgetenouf: the apt-get man page says that -s is for "Specify the directory root under which processor-generated source files will be placed"
17:06.06enoufFoobarWidget: what? -s is simulation mode
17:06.09FoobarWidgetwhich doesn't seem to be related to me question
17:06.30FoobarWidgetoh wait that's the apt man page, not apt-get man page :)
17:06.39enoufyou're on more drugs than stoned is :-P
17:06.46Wyzardrhineheart_m: What's wrong with it in vbox?
17:07.15rhineheart_mWyzard, maybe I just didn't really spend most of my time knowing vbox better
17:07.27FoobarWidgetis it possible to have apt-get install a bunch of local files instead of fetching from a repository?
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17:08.01WyzardFoobarWidget: use "dpkg -i" for that
17:08.13rhineheart_mWyzard, I tried xen 3.3 but its dox is hard to find..really CLI and wiki is not good
17:08.19FoobarWidgetWyzard: but does dpkg have a simulation option?
17:08.23enoufFoobarWidget: you should read the debian-reference
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17:08.30FoobarWidgetenouf: I did, can't find anything
17:08.33FoobarWidgetthat's why I'm asking
17:08.46enoufFoobarWidget: dpkg doesn't 'fetch'
17:08.46Wyzardrhineheart_m: I use Xen on my router -- works pretty well
17:08.59FoobarWidgetbut apt-get does
17:09.01rhineheart_mWyzard, in your router? specs?
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17:09.08FoobarWidgetand apt-get supports -s but dpkg doesn't
17:09.10enoufand some others - yep
17:09.17FoobarWidgetdpkg can install local files but apt-get doesn't seem to be able to do that
17:09.18dpkgYou are moron #16, FoobarWidget
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17:09.29FoobarWidgetehm this is a legit question, why am I a moron?
17:09.35enoufFoobarWidget: sure it can - it can fetch from local mirrors/repos
17:09.36FoobarWidgetI want to simulate installing a local file
17:09.38Wyzardrhineheart_m: the router that connects my home network to the Internet...  small PC based on a VIA mini-ITX board
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17:09.49FoobarWidgetenouf: ok ok, but that was not the purpose of my question
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17:09.55h725Wyzard: my preliminary tests (i.e., two suspend resume cycles) show that -11 works again.. thx
17:09.55FoobarWidgetyou may be right but that's not relevant right now
17:09.57enoufFoobarWidget: you can even setup a proxy - or use apt-zip
17:10.05Wyzardrhineheart_m: one domU for the actual NAT router, one domU for internal DHCP/DNS service, one domU for other stuff like Apache
17:10.15enoufFoobarWidget: well - then i don't understand what you want
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17:10.53rhineheart_mWyzard, do you think IPCop can be installed in domU?
17:10.55FoobarWidgetenouf: I am writing a software tool which creates .deb files. I have an automated set of unit tests. I want to write a unit test that checks whether the generated .deb files are installable, without actually installing them
17:10.58Wyzardenouf: I think he wants to check whether a bunch of .deb files in a directory are installable (i.e. all dependencies satisfied) without actually installing them
17:11.03enoufyou can even check out apt-ftparchive if you like ...
17:11.36enoufFoobarWidget: well - heh - try "/msg dpkg nmg" .. not sure what else to tell you ..
17:11.39FoobarWidgetand I want to perform the check without root privileges
17:11.54Wyzardrhineheart_m: I don't know anything about that program, but most things run fine in a VM
17:12.13WyzardFoobarWidget: There are tools meant for Debian developers, for setting up a chroot and testing installation and uninstallation within it
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17:12.27enoufFoobarWidget: setup your own mirror - then you can control apt-get (and use all it's goodies, like -s)
17:12.31pgbHow can I build package, available in apt-src repos, with my custom configure setings?
17:12.33WyzardFoobarWidget: take a look at piuparts for example
17:12.44WyzardFoobarWidget: and dchroot
17:12.54rhineheart_mWyzard, I'm actually trying to figure out how to run two VMs connected to different LAN segments via physical NIC
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17:13.30enoufFoobarWidget: also - man apt.conf (see the http_proxy option) if that seems helpful - apologies if i'm not giving useful info
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17:14.14nkuttlerpgb: /msg dpkg package recompile
17:14.48enoufFoobarWidget: once i have a lot of stuff installed sometimes i need to do man apt[TAB][TAB] just to recall all the choices ;-) (same with dpkg , especially)
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17:14.55pgbnkuttler: cheers ;)
17:15.05pgbthx
17:15.28FoobarWidgetthanks for the info
17:15.46FoobarWidgetit seems that all available options require me to setup a whole environment just to check whether the packages are installable
17:15.53FoobarWidgetI had hoped for something similar to 'rpm --test'
17:15.58Wyzardrhineheart_m: in Xen?
17:16.14rhineheart_mWyzard, is it possible in Xen?
17:16.42Wyzardrhineheart_m: You can set up multiple Xen bridges (e.g. xenbr1 in addition to xenbr0)...  make one for each physical NIC, and associate each domU with one of them
17:16.56WyzardI don't remember the details of how to configure additional xenbr interfaces though
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17:17.33rhineheart_mWyzard, but my concern would be the link between the two.. mmm..after bridging them both ends might be able to communicated with each other
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17:18.21chutanyone in here have hp webcam?
17:18.30chutwhat module do i need for it to work
17:18.45chutit's usb Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:a13c Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
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17:19.00Wyzardrhineheart_m: The two bridges are separate devices, not connected to each other
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17:19.17rhineheart_mchut, try this: http://www.arakhne.org/ricoh/index.html
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17:19.30ConSihi ;)
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17:19.49Wyzardrhineheart_m: If you have xenbr0 containing peth0 (one physical NIC card) and vif0.0 (connection to one domU) and xenbr1 containing peth1 (different physical NIC card) and vif1.0 (different domU), they're isolated from each other
17:20.12chutcool thanks  rhineheart_m
17:20.33rhineheart_mWyzard, any drawback? (like in terms of speed)
17:20.45enoufFoobarWidget: i'm still learning about using all the various options available when using apt-get, dpkg, etc - the apt.conf man page has much useful info as to how apt calls dpkg - and references file:///usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz which i found might have some specific configure options you might be able to take advantage of .. but a developer would know more than i - try OFTC.net - there are various #debian-XXX channels
17:20.45enouf(where xxx could be -devel, -security, -whatever)
17:20.49Wyzardrhineheart_m: what, having multiple bridges?
17:20.52Wyzardnot that I know of
17:21.04enoufdid my message get truncated?
17:21.12Wyzardenouf: no, it didn't
17:21.21abrotmanyou just don't use punctuation!
17:21.22rhineheart_menouf, it didn't
17:22.12enoufthanks guys
17:22.13rhineheart_mWyzard, do you have xp guest in your xen?
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17:22.33Wyzardrhineheart_m: no, that requires hardware virtualization support, which my router machine doesn't have
17:22.43enoufFoobarWidget: the nmg factoid should've also mentioned the -mentors channel
17:22.50abrotmanenouf: is he looking for the basic http auth option still ?
17:22.52Wyzardrhineheart_m: I run Windows in VMware Workstation on my desktop
17:23.05rhineheart_mWyzard, ah okay.. that's the drawback of using xen.. but in vmware server2..it can run xp guest
17:23.20enoufabrotman: some sort of installation of debs and simulation testing - akin to rpm --test they mentioned
17:23.43Wyzardrhineheart_m: yes, because VMware (and VirtualBox) does binary translation, which Xen doesn't
17:24.02abrotmanenouf: like the --dry-run option to dpkg ?
17:24.08WyzardRunning unmodified guest OSes isn't really the main purpose of Xen
17:24.25enoufabrotman: nice one - i only new of apt-get/aptitude -s option that i mentioned
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17:24.36enoufs/new/knew
17:25.22enoufabrotman: but .. i believe there will be some 'fetching' involved as well - but then again, they mentioned installation of local debs - so ...
17:25.37abrotmanenouf: shouldn't you be telling him? :)
17:25.43rhineheart_mWyzard, but Xen performs better ( I supposed) in linux kernel environment
17:25.48enoufFoobarWidget: are you still with us? abrotman found the dpkg --dry-run option
17:25.58enoufabrotman: huh? :-P
17:26.07Wyzardrhineheart_m: That's because paravirtualization is faster than emulating hardware
17:26.08enoufabrotman: a bit impatient this morning? :-)
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17:26.22enoufer .. afternoon now
17:26.24FoobarWidgetgreat! thanks abrotman
17:26.43abrotmanenouf: apparently .. even though i'm tired
17:27.01enoufabrotman: try doing some yard work :-P
17:27.18abrotmanenouf: just wait for the wind to blow all your leaves away
17:27.23rhineheart_mWyzard, I run vmware server2 in debian host and I like it the way it works.. with one issue I'm not sure it affects it performance
17:27.27FoobarWidgethm how strange, dpkg --dry -i doesn't seem to check for dependencies
17:27.32enoufor .. for them to turn into automulch :-)
17:27.49abrotmanFoobarWidget: FWIW .. you can also pass that option to aptitude and apt-get
17:27.59hersoyhi, i am using debian 4 lenny
17:28.01enoufhere we go ..
17:28.12abrotmanhersoy: no you're not
17:28.14enoufhaha
17:28.20hersoyapt-get update
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17:28.21Wyzardrhineheart_m: Recent versions of VMware have a "paravirtual kernel support" feature which works with recent Linux kernels, btw, and may help performance a bit, though it's not as extensive as what Xen does AFAIK
17:28.36WyzardThe special VMware Tools drivers (e.g. vmxnet) are a form of paravirtualization too
17:28.42hersoyIgn http://http.us.debian.org lenny/main Translation-en_US <-- what is the mean ?
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17:29.02hersoyok
17:29.31enoufWyzard: isn't there some sort of thing blocking USB Drive support in vmwarez .. or is that in certain versions - such like the Server version disallows, while the Player and ESX versions allow it or someshit?
17:30.03enoufIOW, the 'free-as-in-beer' versions are missing many features
17:30.10Wyzardenouf: Workstation and Server both support connecting USB devices to guest VMs (which disconnects them from the host)
17:30.14enoufs/many/some
17:30.16Wyzarddunno about ESX; I've never used that
17:30.27enoufWyzard: is that recent?
17:30.28jelly-homeWyzard: ESX = Server these days
17:30.32enoufrecent + change?
17:30.37pifanyway kvm is the better virtual machine
17:30.40enoufok then
17:30.43rhineheart_mWyzard, it is just I really need to run xp for my printers and other stuffs... people in the office don't like linux..:) they're really influenced by MS
17:30.49abrotmanpif: if your hardware supports it?
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17:30.53Wyzardjelly-home: no, "VMware Server" is a free-as-in-beer product that runs as a daemon, and "VMware ESX Server" is an expensive product that runs on bare metal
17:31.00pifrecent intel's do
17:31.15abrotmanright ... i'm just point that out
17:31.15enoufabrotman: well kvm will allow use of QEMU if your hardware doesn't directly suppport it, IIRC
17:31.24enoufpgb: and AMDs
17:31.26Wyzardenouf: Workstation 5.x and (I think) Server 1.0 supported USB 1; Workstation 6.x and Server 2 support USB 2
17:31.31abrotmanqemu is good at emulating .. not virtualizing
17:31.31jelly-homeWyzard: hm, could be, what was the previous name for vmware server then?
17:31.38Wyzardjelly-home: GSX
17:31.41rhineheart_myeah.. Vmware server2 let's you connect USB devices to a VM
17:31.44abrotmanFSVO good
17:31.49jelly-homeWyzard: right!  My bad
17:31.49enoufabrotman: right - so benefits of kvm kind of are moot then
17:31.49pifas does kvm
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17:32.03enoufWyzard: i see - thanks
17:32.07pifkvm does support usb too
17:32.21enoufofcourse it does - it's not a 'warez'
17:32.42rhineheart_mkvm doesn't support unmodified guest like XP I guess
17:32.55pifit does
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17:33.18pifit's fast too
17:33.20enoufrhineheart_m: it's the best VM you can have when it's all done
17:33.22jelly-homepif: kvm supports usb2?
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17:33.28pifsure
17:33.31jelly-homenice
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17:33.41rhineheart_menouf, kvm?
17:33.45enoufrhineheart_m: egrep 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo to see if your CPUs support it
17:33.49enoufrhineheart_m: yep
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17:34.04rgammansLast I checked kvm didn't support Vmware Workstation's snapshot feature.
17:34.11enoufthe former being the AMD flag, the latter the Intel one
17:34.12rhineheart_menouf, I know it could support... I had svm when I tried that before
17:34.15pifgenerally you need to enable virtualization in your bios
17:34.24maligorvirtualbox supports usb also
17:34.41enoufpif: right - i keep forgetting about that little thing-to-also-do ;-)
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17:34.51jelly-homemaligor: only the nonfree version did usb2 until recently, did that change?
17:34.56rhineheart_mhomepage of kvm/
17:35.04maligorQEMU supports usb also
17:35.12maligorjelly-home, not sure
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17:35.21pifto sum it up, kvm is the only truly free, latest  kernel  vm
17:35.32WyzardOne caveat if you use VMware and want to try KVM:  VMware uses the processor's svm/vmx support if it's available, and of course KVM relies on it too, but apparently that feature can't be used by two things at once
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17:35.55jamonWyzard: yeah, virtualbox complains if kvm_* modules are loaded too
17:35.56rhineheart_mah.. I've seen that I guess.. during set-up of ubuntu hardy.. it asks for virtualization (alike)
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17:35.59pifuh? you can run several kvm concurrently
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17:36.11WyzardIf I boot anything in VMware while kvm-intel.ko is loaded, my machine hard-locks
17:36.13jelly-homepif: uh, virtualbox-ose is free, too
17:36.14chutrhineheart_m,
17:36.20chutcan you post me the link again please
17:36.23enoufpif: bravo - and yep, the kern devs decided since others are using the kernel for those purposes, why don't we just give them (the community) the horses mouth ;-)
17:36.23chuti lost it :(
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17:36.26Uuu/msg dpkg guidelines
17:36.28Uuulol
17:36.29jamonkqemu is free now, has been for a while too
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17:36.40chutthe link on hp cam
17:36.50WyzardIf VirtualBox detects it and avoids trying to use vmx, that's useful -- I wish VMware would do that too
17:37.20pifhttp://kvm.qumranet.com/
17:38.03enouf!kvm
17:38.03dpkgkvm is probably kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse  Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios.
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17:38.51ambro951how do I install the latest kernel ?
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17:39.00enoufgets all gooey at appropriate summations :-P
17:39.42enoufambro951: latest? which release? /msg dpkg security .. run update; then search ; then install
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17:42.11rhineheart_mgot to sleep now guys.. thanks for this community :)
17:42.32rhineheart_mbye enouf Wyzard chut :)
17:42.48chutyeah it works now lol
17:42.56chutbut it's very low quality
17:42.58Venstwould running ./psybnc 1.conf and ./psybnc 2.conf share files that are meant to be used by 1 process ?
17:42.59Wyzardpif: I'm not surprised if you can run several VMs in kvm concurrently, because it's all being managed by the one kvm driver
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17:43.21enoufWyzard: heh - here's some support for vmware esx :-) http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=9ba075a664dff836fd6fb93f90fcc827f7683d91
17:43.22rhineheart_mchut, with the driver in that link?
17:43.28chutyes
17:43.38rhineheart_mchut, ah okay. there you go :)
17:43.40Venstas in should i use 2 dir to run both or both of them from the same dir using the sam ./psybnc ?
17:43.43Wyzardpif: but kvm and VMware both trying to use the vmx hardware at the same time results in a lockup
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17:43.53Wyzardeven if kvm isn't actually running any VMs
17:44.00Venstsame*
17:44.12enoufWyzard: why on earth would anyone even think about vmwarez when kvm is running? ;-)
17:44.39Wyzardenouf: interesting...  why would KVM need to support something like "needed by ESX" when KVM and ESX are mutually exclusive AFAIK?
17:44.46rhineheart_mWyzard, there's a solution for that.. you could actually disable/enable HVM support in VMs ( If I'm not mistaken)
17:44.50enoufWyzard: that's like trying to get a VM to enable 3D Acceleration for multiple VMs from one card ;-)
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17:45.03enoufWyzard: i dunno :-/
17:45.32enoufWyzard: other recent commits here http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 (search for kvm)
17:45.45enouf(well - not very recent .. but fairly)
17:46.08Wyzardrhineheart_m: yeah, but it has to be done in a per-VM basis; I haven't found any global setting for it
17:46.49Wyzardrhineheart_m: and since the price of forgetting to work around the conflict is a hard lockup and having to press the reset button, I got tired of it and uninstalled the KVM packages (so that kvm-intel.ko doesn't get loaded automatically at startup)
17:46.55rhineheart_mWyzard, but I don't need a global setting since I need HVM support in some VMs..but not all (which is actually a good idea)
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17:47.27enoufi think you two are having two separate convos
17:47.37guyzmohi
17:47.40enoufbut wtf do i know
17:47.58guyzmois there any important exploits discovered in debian since the ssl bug ?
17:48.08enoufpokes stoned with his sharpened pointy cane
17:48.22rhineheart_mmmm...I guess individual preferences do matter here
17:48.26Wyzardguyzmo: http://www.debian.org/security/ -- see "recent advisories"
17:48.30enoufguyzmo: for all about that - see debian-security-announce mailing list
17:48.33guyzmowe get a massive failure on our server (apache, postfix and other services)
17:48.55Wyzardguyzmo: Nothing as big as the SSL bug, but there have been lots of security updates for other things since then
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17:49.24enoufand many things are linux related - non-debian specific
17:49.31Wyzardis a bit bothered by the number of security advisories that say "several vulnerabilities" as their description
17:49.36rhineheart_mguyzmo, most of the exploits to server were done/triggered by the admin themeselves intenationally/unintentionally
17:50.17xozwonders why the bash fork bomb still succeeds in debian lenny.
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17:50.23guyzmowell, we are quite careful, and those services just died today, and we're having "read only filesystem" errors, though no FS is marked as RO in mount
17:50.26guyzmopretty weird
17:50.32enoufulimit?
17:50.44abrotmanguyzmo: then fsck the filesystems
17:50.48enoufright
17:50.52\amethystguyzmo:  sounds like disk corruption or a hardware error
17:50.53Wyzardguyzmo: When the kernel detects a filesystem error, it remounts the filesystem read-only to avoid further damage
17:50.59enoufguyzmo: could be disks dying even
17:51.20Wyzarddunno if that shows up in mount since an automatic remount by the kernel won't update /etc/mtab
17:51.20guyzmoWyzard - yup, but they should be marked as RO
17:51.31guyzmoand touch /foo works
17:51.42rhineheart_mguyzmo, I'm in the idea of a hungry/crippling disk
17:51.45WyzardIs the root filesystem the one that's read-only?
17:51.57enoufdoes /proc/mounts also say that? 'mount' not saying ro only mean mtab wasn't updated
17:51.58WyzardIt might be your /usr or /home or something, while / is still writable
17:52.00enoufIINM
17:52.56WyzardAnyway, if you get unexpected "read-only filesystem" errors from a running system, that's usually a sign of a filesystem error...  check dmesg for I/O errors, make sure your backups are current, and fsck
17:54.01enoufand .. maybe it was mounted using -n (if that's the correct option) originally .. or later ... or umounted using -l or ...
17:54.08WyzardIf dmesg indicates I/O errors on the drive, run a full SMART scan on it (smartctl -t long)
17:54.09guyzmo/var is RO
17:54.21WyzardIf the disk is bad, replace it ASAP
17:54.27enoufwhat FSs are we talking about? any raid/lvm? hard/soft?
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17:54.50guyzmothere's nothing
17:54.51magnetno lvm, no raid
17:54.58guyzmoexacly :)
17:55.04enoufmagnet: thanks :-P
17:55.06nascentmindhi. If i want the latest netbeans version what should i be doing?
17:55.13guyzmomagnet and me are working on the same system ;)
17:55.27enoufwhat a guess :-)
17:55.40rhineheart_mproduction guyzmo ?
17:56.21guyzmorhineheart_m - well, it's a personal server in production :)
17:56.34enouf!pulling teeth
17:56.44guyzmoour own mail + our own apache etc...
17:56.59magnetanyway we don't have physical access to the machine
17:57.13magnetit's been running fine for 4+ years
17:57.31magnetis there any reason for /var to switch to RO on its own?
17:57.34enoufVPS / Hosting Service i take it
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17:57.45magnetyeah
17:57.47dutchfishenouf, hi
17:57.51enoufyes, FS errors
17:57.57enoufdutchfish: hola! ;-)
17:58.04dutchfishenouf, i nailed it :)
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17:58.31enoufdutchfish: lookey here what i found you might want to test - mtrr support for kvm ;-) http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=9ba075a664dff836fd6fb93f90fcc827f7683d91
17:58.39dutchfishenouf, if i undo this patch in curent kernel its solved: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/5/8/365
17:58.41enoufdutchfish: oh? do tell
17:58.51enouflooks
17:59.38dutchfishenouf, that doesnt mean there arent any more bugs hidden so
17:59.58dutchfishenouf, i have a strong fealing mtrr is heavely bugged
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18:00.11enoufdutchfish: right - that patch supposedly fixed some things ;-) yet for others like you, it's a regression
18:00.16enoufyep
18:00.19dutchfishenouf, bingo
18:00.40enoufdutchfish: good find ;-)
18:00.51dutchfishenouf, took me 18 hours non-stop work so
18:01.01enouf!beer dutchfish
18:01.01dpkgdeftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for dutchfish
18:01.06nascentmindanybody?
18:01.10dutchfishenouf, :)
18:01.15enoufnay ... !keg that man ;-)
18:01.34enoufnascentmind: well, /msg dpkg java
18:01.39enouffor starters
18:02.41nascentmindenouf, no i want to install the latest netbeans ide. not java.
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18:03.00enoufnascentmind: i thought they were related - my bad then
18:03.06enouf!listvals netbeans
18:03.08dpkgFactoid search of 'netbeans' by value returned no results.
18:03.30nascentmindenouf, the problem is i want to have the java fx plugin for netbeans 6.5 and i get only netbeans 6.0.1
18:03.38enoufnascentmind: if nobody here responds within a while - try ##linux as well
18:03.51pipelinenascentmind: netbeans is a fast-moving target
18:03.54nascentmindno this is debian specific.
18:03.59enoufso what
18:04.00pipelinenascentmind: install java from debian, then install the generic netbeans from sun
18:04.22enoufi use debian exclusively - and yet - i help out in other channels as well
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18:04.40nascentmindpipeline, i don't have a problem with netbeans.. except i have a problem with version numbers.
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18:05.26pipelinenascentmind: yes you have a netbeans problem: install a newer netbeans from sun directly, don't use a debian-provided version.
18:05.28enoufgoes for a bit -- bbl - dutchfish bravo once again mate!
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18:05.29nascentmindwhat do dev's in debian do if they want to have the latest ide?
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18:05.56nascentmindpipeline, doesn't it mess up when the package is actually available later on?
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18:06.39pipelinenascentmind: don't install it to /usr/ :P
18:06.55pipelinenascentmind: the netbeans from sun will prompt you for a target... install it to, for example, /opt/SUNW_netbeans or what have you
18:07.09\amethystnascentmind:  that's why third-party software is usually installed in /usr/local or in /opt
18:07.11nascentmindpipeline, is my user directory ok?
18:07.14pipelinenascentmind: never install anything to /usr, you'll screw up the package system.
18:07.29\amethysthome directory is even better if only one user is going to run it
18:07.37nascentmind\amethyst, thats exactly what i wanted to know.
18:07.40\amethystthat way you don't have to become root to update
18:08.03nascentmind\amethyst, yes i am the only one using it.. and yes i don't want to be a super user to run it.
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18:08.44nascentmind\amethyst, is it given in debian doc to install it in /usr/local or /opt?
18:09.04\amethyst!fhs
18:09.05dpkgDebian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard.  The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application.  This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
18:11.00\amethystnascentmind:  /usr/local is "for use by the system administrator when installing software locally", and opt is for "add-on application software packages"
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18:11.34nascentmindwhat is install locally?
18:11.40crapo_hottitottiHi, is it possible to install programs with "sudo aptitude ***" under a normal user acc?
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18:12.05Archgruehi folks. how can I install something from the unstable repo? i'm testing something on debian and would like to install lighttpd 1.4.19
18:12.07\amethystnascentmind:  means installed by you and not part of the distribution
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18:13.04crapo_hottitottiArchgrue: Add the unstable repos to your sources.list
18:13.10nascentmind\amethyst, and what about if a software depends upon some libs and it finds those libs outdated? should i then be installing it in /usr/local/lib?
18:13.21crapo_hottitottiArchgrue: or compile them yourself
18:13.24Archgruecrapo_hottitotti: been through the docs for that, but I am not sure how to do that, i.e what do I ahve to add?
18:13.49ArtificialsynapsNo matter what I do flash will not work on Ice Weasel, I've got libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins any advice??
18:14.00\amethystnascentmind:  yes, though you have to be careful then because other software will use the updated libraries
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18:14.27nascentmind\amethyst, yes.. its a risky business..
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18:14.38\amethystnascentmind:  another option is to install into some subdirectory of /usr/local/lib  that isn't in the default library search path
18:15.00\amethystnascentmind:  then add that to LD_LIBRARY_PATH when you are running the software that needs the new version of the library
18:15.14ArtificialsynapsI've also linked libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
18:15.16crapo_hottitottiArchgrue: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto
18:15.45nascentmind\amethyst, oh k.. so usually the software would read the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and try to find the library in each of those directories?
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18:16.14abrotmanArtificialsynaps: do you have a /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so ?
18:16.37ArtificialsynapsNo I do not
18:16.37\amethystnascentmind:  yes, when looking for libraries, the directories in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable will be searched before the system directories
18:16.49Artificialsynapsabrotman: should I have that somewhere?
18:17.03abrotmanArtificialsynaps: which veresion of debian ?
18:17.11Artificialsynapsetch
18:17.22abrotmanAIUI .. flash10 doesn't work on etch
18:17.25nascentmind\amethyst, hmm k.. got it now.
18:17.40Archgruecrapo_hottitotti: Yah, I've read that, still no clue.
18:17.42ArtificialsynapsAhh! What should I use as an alternative?
18:17.50abrotmanflash9 ?
18:17.50crapo_hottitotti;)
18:17.54nascentmind\amethyst, thanks a lot.
18:18.04crapo_hottitottiis it possible to install programs with "sudo aptitude ***" under a normal user acc?
18:18.06\amethystnascentmind:  man ld.so  and maybe  ldconfig  for more information about the topic
18:18.23nascentmind\amethyst, k wil do.
18:18.24\amethystnascentmind:  also ldd  which will tell you which shared libraries a program is going to use
18:18.29patrikfcrapo_hottitotti: read man sudo
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18:18.35abrotmanArtificialsynaps: /msg dpkg dmm .. they have adobe flash packages there
18:19.03sigp226What is a good program that generates random passwords in which I can specify the total length and the min. uppers, min. lowers, min. numbers, and min. specials?
18:19.06ArtificialsynapsMsg where?
18:19.21ArtificialsynapsThanks for all your help so far!
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18:19.40\amethystsigp226:  pwgen lets you specify 'at least one' for each of those categories, but not other minimums
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18:19.58petemci use perls silly werder
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18:20.12patrikf!tell Artificialsynaps about dmm
18:20.15pifsigp226: pwgen
18:20.22sigp226\amethyst: Yea, I want to generate 8 character passwords with 2 uppers, 2 lowers, 2 numbers, 2 specials.
18:20.41abrotman!tell Artificialsynaps about dmm
18:20.54patrikf;)
18:22.27ArtificialsynapsTrying to understand what you're asking me to do.. I'm looking for an archived adoble flash 9 installer atm
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18:22.36Artificialsynapsadobe*
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18:22.57patrikfArtificialsynaps: yup, there are flash packages in the debian-multimedia repository
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18:23.07abrotmanArtificialsynaps: debian-multimedia.com
18:23.16abrotmanerm .org
18:23.40pifis enjoying native 64bit flash 10
18:23.52ArtificialsynapsSweet just found one
18:23.56ArtificialsynapsTesting now..
18:24.16patrikfpif: yeah, it really feels good :)
18:24.27pifat long last :)
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18:25.15gustocongratilates pif, and says that he has no 64 bit cpu
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18:26.01pifgusto: then you had much better flash support
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18:26.38ArtificialsynapsNo luck : (
18:26.43gustopif: no, i have one good support and that on my 64 bit machine with macosx
18:26.48ArtificialsynapsJust tells me to download adobe flash again
18:26.52pifI still keep a 32 bit system around for java applets (no 64bit java plugin)
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18:27.38jamonit's not so hard to just go without java applets :p
18:27.41patrikfArtificialsynaps: despite installing flashplayer-mozilla?
18:27.53jamonnspluginwrapper used to work for that no?
18:28.02pifjamon: not really, my ip kvm console requires it
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18:28.20patrikfi think nspluginwrapper only ever worked for flash
18:28.25ArtificialsynapsYou want me to try to install it through apt-get or is a manual cp to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins okay?
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18:28.33jamonpatrikf: it worked with java5 for sure
18:28.43jamonpif: that'd be a pretty important use
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18:28.56patrikfArtificialsynaps: add debian-multimedia.org/... to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
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18:29.16patrikfArtificialsynaps: you should never tamper with anything in /usr (except /usr/src and /usr/local) by hand ;)
18:29.20pifthese autoview ip kvm's are nice, but require java
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18:29.48Artificialsynapsahh! Alright I will take your advice, what is the format I should add debian-multimedia to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
18:30.01abrotmanArtificialsynaps: they have instructions at debian-multimedia.org
18:30.03patrikfArtificialsynaps: I'm certain you'll find that information on debian-multimedia.org
18:30.04jamonpif: yeah most do, we have a few brands at work
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18:30.29ArtificialsynapsOkay I'll search for it : )
18:30.36pifsome are worse, they require activeX *retch*
18:30.39jamonyou'd think for a $1k+ dedicated hardware device they could come up with a decent built in vnc server or something
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18:30.58ArtificialsynapsYep found it I need to learn to use the mouse wheel
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18:31.08jamonbut no, it's serial -> vnc -> java or some cruft like that
18:31.52crapo_hottitottiHELP I#ve just executed rm -r * in my root /home folder
18:31.54bkwAre there any module that give framebuffer support for intel X3100 graphics? intelfb doesn't seem to when running 2.6.26.2 :\
18:32.02pifand dell's RAC cards have not 64bit plugin, so 32bits is still the way for admins
18:32.04crapo_hottitottibut dstopped it immediatly.
18:32.13crapo_hottitottifwhat files are neccessary in it?
18:32.25ArtificialsynapsNope. Just installed mozilla-flashplayer and it still tells me to download flashplayer : (
18:32.28abrotmancrapo_hottitotti: ask #ubuntu if you're using ubuntu
18:32.36crapo_hottitottiubuntu? Debian!
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18:32.47pifArtificialsynaps: get flashplugin-nonfree
18:32.53abrotman--- [crapo_hottitotti] (n=ubuntu@hnvr-4d0786f1.pool.mediaWays.net) : purple
18:32.54abrotmanubuntu
18:32.59patrikfno, it should work with flashplugin-mozilla
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18:33.17patrikfArtificialsynaps: try update-alternatives --auto /etc/libflashplayer.so and restart your browser
18:33.18crapo_hottitottiYes, but that does not mean, that i'm not connected to another machine :-S
18:33.23jhamboHi folks.  I'm using lenny on an acer aspire one.  knetworkmanager refuses to connect to my wireless router wi
18:33.31jhambowih wep
18:33.55jhamboknetworkmanager works fine without wep though
18:33.59jhambowhat gives?
18:34.25jhamboI'm connected to the router with wep right now but I had to do it manually
18:34.34patrikfArtificialsynaps: sorry, should have been "update-alternatives --auto flash-mozilla.so"
18:34.51Artificialsynapshaha there we go, thanks man!
18:34.57ArtificialsynapsTrying it
18:35.34ArtificialsynapsNope.. still nothing
18:35.40kingsleyWhich is the main or best vnc application in lenny?
18:36.00ArtificialsynapsIt's weird.. this is the only major problem I have when I do fresh debian installs
18:36.00crapo_hottitottihow can i restore just deleted files? Is there command for it?
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18:36.52kingsleycrapo_hottitotti: If you haven't done so already, you might what to search Google's indices for linux and undelete.
18:36.55dutchfishenouf, if you are on: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.27.y.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mtrr/amd.c;h=ee2331b0e58fe1b19c6fd22ca6e01cc290b7eb23;hp=0949cdbf848afcceff5e997f12ac882075c45876;hb=078bb167b076f6154920ce5ec6b4dd4add3e7d7d;hpb=2ec1df4130c60d1eb49dc0fa0ed15858fede6b05
18:37.01ArtificialsynapsLast time I did some kind of hybrid ubuntu repository firefox installation and flash worked
18:37.07patrikfArtificialsynaps: what does ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so give?
18:37.10jamoncrapo_hottitotti: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
18:37.28crapo_hottitottiThank you kingsley, i'm just on it, and thank you jamon for the link
18:37.47jamoncrapo_hottitotti: so you deleted /root/* or /* or /home/root/*
18:38.16Artificialsynapsin mozilla I have libflash-mozplugin.so and libflashplayer.so
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18:38.42Artificialsynapsin /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ I have libflashplayer.so
18:38.56ArtificialsynapsShould I even have both of those directories?
18:39.13maligorabout:plugins
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18:39.16crapo_hottitottijamon: /home/root/* but i stopped immedeatly.
18:39.21maligorthat'll show you what plugins you have registered
18:39.25crapo_hottitottiI can log in ...puh...!
18:39.30crapo_hottitottiLucky :)
18:39.30maligorin the iceweasel address bar that is
18:39.45patrikfArtificialsynaps: uh... try dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so
18:40.09\amethystArtificialsynaps:  libflash-mozplugin is not the Abobe plugin, but is based on the GPL libflash.  It's gone in lenny and sid
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18:40.57ArtificialsynapsOkay... I you're not going to believe this but before I could do that command /usr/lib/firefox/plugin disapeered..
18:41.29hersoy"Ign http://http.us.debian.org lenny/main Translation-en_US" <- what is it mean ? i cant update my packages?
18:41.38\amethystArtificialsynaps:  I thought you said /usr/lib/mozilla and /usr/lib/iceweasel ?
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18:41.55ArtificialsynapsI know, the contents of /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin literally disapeered
18:42.05\amethysthersoy:  no, it means there are no new translation entries since the last update
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18:42.36hersoythanks
18:43.05Artificialsynapsls -n is showing libflashplayer.so being root only though in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
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18:43.25ArtificialsynapsI should probably chown / chgrp it from my user account shouldn't I?
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18:43.33\amethystno
18:43.40\amethystwhat do you mean 'root only'?
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18:43.51harguthello
18:43.51\amethystjust because it's owned by root doesn't mean other people can't access it
18:43.56ArtificialsynapsLike the user / group is my root account
18:43.57eptalonheyas
18:43.59\amethystthey probably can't write to it, but that's a good thing
18:44.15daemon-midiI need help on a networking/config problem - intranet works / internet doesn't -- anyone?
18:44.16Artificialsynapslrwxrwxrwx
18:44.27eptalon\amethyst: most people don't write ot their applications...
18:44.41jhamboHI folks, after following the directions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne, I'm running wicd 1.5.3 in debian lenny on an acer aspire one.  I can connect manually using iwconfig and dhclient to a wireless router using WEP however wicd-client does not seem to be able to connect.  How can i get wicd to work??
18:44.52eptalonArtificialsynaps: link. rest of the flags are not meaningful.
18:45.02chm0d<PROTECTED>
18:45.06ArtificialsynapsOh it links to /mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
18:45.15chm0d<PROTECTED>
18:45.36eptalonArtificialsynaps: which should have rwxr-xr-x?
18:45.42\amethystArtificialsynaps:    try ls -lH  to follow the symlink
18:45.47eptalonArtificialsynaps: as flags.
18:45.58\amethystprobably -rw-r--r--
18:46.49Artificialsynapsls -lH gave me the same output
18:47.02Artificialsynapslet me pastebin
18:47.39Artificialsynapshttp://pastebin.com/d757890d1
18:48.12\amethystArtificialsynaps:  sorry, I meant ls -lH <filename>
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18:48.19patrikfArtificialsynaps: dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so, please
18:48.34abrotmanthat's supposed to be there
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18:49.17Artificialsynapshere is the output from ls -lH <filename> http://pastebin.com/d63108f74
18:49.29abrotmanit's really supposed to be there ..
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18:50.13Artificialsynapsjust ran the dpkg -S command and didn't have any change
18:50.52abrotmanArtificialsynaps: that file is supposed to be there .. do you have a problem with it?
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18:51.13Artificialsynapsoh haha no I put the file name in there
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18:51.44ArtificialsynapsJust put <filename> to save time I guess
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18:53.38ArtificialsynapsAny other ideas? : (
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18:53.51hoxujhambo, man od
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18:56.39abrotmanArtificialsynaps: what problem are you trying to solve?
18:56.40jhambohoxu: thanks
18:56.53Artificialsynapsflash will not work on my etch install
18:57.41abrotmanArtificialsynaps: about:plugins .. do you see it listed? does it give a file path ?
18:57.54ArtificialsynapsI have libflashplayer.so installed in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
18:58.14Artificialsynapshere is the output from ls -lH
18:58.17Artificialsynapshttp://pastebin.com/d63108f74
18:58.25abrotmanhow did you install it ?
18:58.32hoxujhambo, not sure if there's an option to remove the annoying offset though, but you can cut it off
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18:58.48Artificialsynapsmanaully once but then with apt-get install flashplayer-plugin
18:58.49dvsArtificialsynaps: aren't .so files suppose to be executable?
18:58.53dvsOr is that wrong?
18:58.55Artificialsynapsfrom the multimedia repos
18:59.11ArtificialsynapsI have no idea that's why I'm asking you guys ; )
18:59.16abrotmanArtificialsynaps: uninstall the package .. and then make sure all traces of the files you put in are gone
18:59.30ArtificialsynapsOkay doing that now
18:59.57flypiper43uiw27uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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19:00.51Artificialsynapsls
19:00.55abrotmanflypiper: we need the username too
19:00.55ArtificialsynapsOkay
19:00.58ArtificialsynapsIt is gone
19:01.08abrotmanArtificialsynaps: and all your messy bits are cleaned up ?
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19:01.26Artificialsynapsanything in particular I should look out for?
19:01.30\amethystdvs:  they don't need to be, though that might have been different in the past.
19:01.37ArtificialsynapsIt's gone in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
19:01.41dvs\amethyst: ok
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19:01.51abrotmanArtificialsynaps: and /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ?
19:01.51\amethystdvs:  ISTR that back in the libc5 days they usually were, though I don't know if that was necessary
19:03.12ArtificialsynapsOkay that is gone too now
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19:05.20robotnicktesting is frozen?
19:05.25abrotmanArtificialsynaps: and now if you reinstall the package
19:05.27abrotmanrobotnick: yes
19:05.32dvsrobotnick: that's a good sign
19:05.36abrotmanlenny is frozen .. for quite some time
19:05.38ArtificialsynapsOkay what package should I use/
19:05.40robotnicki see
19:05.42dvsBut lenny won't be released this year.
19:05.48ArtificialsynapsI have debian multimedia repos
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19:05.52abrotmandvs: there's three weeks left!
19:06.00dvsabrotman: it won't make it.
19:06.02dvsTrust me
19:06.12robotnickabrotman: so to get updates, we either update to unstable or wait for it to be released?
19:06.18robotnickupdates as in, new packages
19:06.30dvsrobotnick: unstable is frozen I've heard
19:06.47abrotmanArtificialsynaps: flashplayer-mozilla
19:06.49robotnickoh?
19:06.51robotnickhow come?
19:07.03abrotmanrobotnick: you won't get much either way .. unstable kind of gels while lenny is frozen
19:07.04dvsrobotnick: the pending release of lenny
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19:07.13robotnickI see
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19:07.38abrotmanrobotnick: if you want updates .. fix RC bugs :)
19:07.46ArtificialsynapsOh my god I don't believe it
19:07.48robotnickheh :)
19:07.48ArtificialsynapsIt worked!
19:07.48dvsyikes!
19:08.00abrotmanaccepts the title
19:08.10ArtificialsynapsThank you \amethyst and abrotman!!!
19:08.15ArtificialsynapsI was about to give up!
19:08.22abrotmanwonders wtf \amethyst did .. bum
19:08.28Artificialsynapshahaha
19:08.34dvsheh
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19:09.23jhamboIn lenny, neither knetwork manager nor wicd work for connecting to WEP wireless router. (though I have no problem connecting manually with iwconfig and dhclient).  What should I do to try to get one of these working??
19:09.48ArtificialsynapsSince you guys were so helpful with this flash..... feel like helping me with an NFS problem? : )
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19:10.00abrotmanruns away
19:10.04dvsbacks away
19:10.09Artificialsynapshahaha....
19:10.16abrotmanArtificialsynaps: you have to ask .. we can't guess
19:10.22dvs42
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19:10.47bughunter2hey, i installed openntpd but the gnome timeadmin thing still says "NTP support is not installed"
19:11.05ArtificialsynapsOkay well I have an NFS server that is running etch
19:11.19dutchfish!ntp
19:11.19dpkgwell, ntp is the Network Time Protocol.  Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage.  Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already.  (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.)  See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.
19:11.25simonrvnbughunter2: openntpd != ntpd
19:11.33tmp_Is there an FTP site or something that has installation CD images or torrent files? cdimage.debian.org isn't responding on those (and the redirects to gensho.acc.umu.se hang, too).
19:11.47abrotmantmp_: ftp.nl.debian.org has them also
19:11.49bughunter2simonrvn: theres no ntpd package
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19:11.57dvstmp_: ftp.se.debian.org
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19:12.02avubughunter2, ntp.
19:12.04bughunter2k
19:12.06avubughunter2, as the bot said
19:12.12Artificialsynapsand my exports file is exporting /arc/1 192.x.x.x (rw,sync)
19:12.14bughunter2avu: huh?
19:12.18harguthow can i change the "default-email-address" which is used by debian packaging tools (dh_make, dch, ..)
19:12.24avu!tell bughunter2 about ntp
19:12.29simonrvnbecuase it's called ntp
19:12.30ArtificialsynapsBut when I try to mount it locally it works but says it's read only
19:12.32bughunter2oh wait
19:12.35bughunter2i read
19:12.39bughunter2*just scrolled back*
19:12.39simonrvn(damn lag)
19:12.47tmp_abrotman: Thanks!
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19:13.42jhamboDoesn't knetworkmanager just use tools like iwlist, iwconfig and dhclient? if those tools work, why wouldn't knetworkmanager?
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19:14.48bughunter2thanks avu
19:14.51bughunter2worked like a damn charm
19:14.52bughunter2:)
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19:21.53pipelinejhambo: knetworkmanager uses network-manager
19:22.07pipelinejhambo: there is a kde application that uses iwconfig, iwlist etc directly, but I can't remember its name
19:22.19pipelinejhambo: network-manager is, frankly, a bit of a clusterfuck.
19:22.28MoRLoCha bit?
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19:22.48bughunter2how to m-a a-i nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source ? what should i insert at the place of ${VERSION} ?
19:22.52bughunter2i tried uname -r but it didn't work
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19:23.57daemonpipegeek, MoRLoCh: wicd is quite nice though
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19:24.20simonrvnbughunter2: $(uname -r)
19:24.28bughunter2simonrvn: yes that is what i meant, of course
19:24.30bughunter2and it didn't work
19:24.43bughunter2i'm following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
19:24.53rue_mohr0b00000000 syntax isn't available in gcc 4.1 its supprted in gcc 4.3  only up to 4.1 is available in stable, I think stable should be renamed obsolete
19:25.00eptalonAny recommendation on what to do when installing inside a VBox?
19:25.01MoRLoChdaemon: I guess everyone has his/her own preferences
19:25.10bughunter2i guess the whole ${VERSION} stuff is optional
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19:26.08simonrvnthat's source anyway, you need the specific one for your card
19:26.12bughunter2yes
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19:28.02toborHi, I have a system which I believe is taking longer to boot.  At Boot time it is now taking 1 minute-forty seconds to complete the task "Mounting root file system".  IIRC this used to take less than a second? Anyone have  a guess as to what this symptom mught indicate? Hard drive is SATA that does not support smartctl
19:28.38daemonMoRLoCh, same as life I guess :-)
19:28.50MoRLoChdaemon: indeed
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19:31.27tobors/mught/might/  :-)
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19:33.37hersoyreboot
19:34.00Wyzardtobor: seems unlikely for a SATA drive to not support SMART...  old IDE drives might not, but SATA drives are new enough that they should
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19:34.54bughunter2hey, i just installed lenny and i don't see "Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager"
19:34.58bughunter2neither do i see "Add/Remove Software"
19:34.59bughunter2:O
19:35.17patrikfbughunter2: debian != ubuntu
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19:35.26bughunter2patrikf: i never ever said that
19:35.30simonrvn!aptitude
19:35.30dpkgwell, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system.  You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required.  Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them.  Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>
19:35.33patrikfbughunter2: you can install synaptic if you want, though it's not standard
19:35.35abrotmanbughunter2: did you install synaptic ?
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19:35.41bughunter2jesus
19:35.44bughunter2let me speak please
19:35.52bughunter2synaptic is installed by default on my other lenny machine
19:35.58abrotmannot by default
19:36.00bughunter2so that's why i don't understand why it's not on a clean install
19:36.02bughunter2yes for me it was
19:36.06abrotmanno it was not
19:36.06bughunter2i never installed synaptic
19:36.09bughunter2yep it was
19:36.11abrotmanNO
19:36.13bughunter2etch btw
19:36.16bughunter2i upgraded manually to lenny
19:36.19bughunter2and YES it was installed by default
19:36.20abrotmani 100% guarantee it was not installed by default
19:36.26bughunter2then you are incorrect
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19:36.35bughunter2i installed it yesterday, and synaptic was there the whole time
19:36.43abrotmanbecause you OPTED to install a desktop
19:36.46abrotmannot defaulted
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19:36.56bughunter2abrotman: well "Desktop" was enabled by default
19:36.59bughunter2and thus, synaptic, i guess
19:37.54abrotmanbecause you used tasksel i suppose, and you installed the gnome metapackage which probably pulls in more GUI tools than a windows user needs
19:38.22bughunter2tasksel?
19:38.29bughunter2gnome metapackage? i just installed gnome
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19:39.29dvsbughunter2: which is a meta package
19:39.35dvs!depends gnome
19:39.42bughunter2dvs: what is a meta package? a virtual package or what?
19:39.54PolarinaI got the nvidia drivers working on Debian Lenny (64-bit), but I also need the 32-bit version for WINE. How do I install them?
19:39.59dpkggnome: depends on gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.22.2~5), gdm-themes, gnome-themes-extras, gnome-games (>= 1:2.22.2), libpam-gnome-keyring (>= 2.22.2), gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (>= 0.10.8), gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (>= 0.10.4), rhythmbox (>= 0.11.5), synaptic (>= 0.62), system-config-printer (>= 1.0.0), totem-mozilla, swfdec-mozilla, epiphany-extensions, evolution-plugins (>= 2.22.2), evolution-exchange (>= 2.22.2), evolution-webcal (>= 2.21.92), ...
19:40.00dvsbughunter2: you can think of it that way
19:40.04bughunter2i see
19:40.11Wyzardbughunter2: a package that doesn't contain any software, and exists just to pull in other things as dependencies
19:40.12bughunter2can i toss out evolution?
19:40.18bughunter2i don't want evolution,k but i'm fine with the other packages
19:40.27bughunter2Wyzard: yes that's how i know "virtual packages"
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19:40.38eptalonAny chance we get anything like zfs (the file system) soon?
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19:41.07Wyzardbughunter2: a virtual package is something different -- that's a package that doesn't exist at all, but is mentioned on the "Provides:" lines of some packages and the "Depends:" line of others
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19:41.22dvsI thought a virtual package was a package that was a substitute for ONE other package
19:41.36bughunter2okay
19:41.49Wyzardbughunter2: for example, there is no package called "www-browser", but some packages say "Depends: www-browser", and iceweasel "Provides: www-browser" so it satisfies the dependency
19:42.05MoRLoChdvs: no, it's a way for some packages to depend on a set of other packages, without mentioning all of them
19:42.23bughunter2installs pulseaudio
19:42.26WyzardIt's used for generic dependencies like that (in this case, depending on "any web browser")
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19:44.38dvs*!
19:44.44jelly-home!
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19:44.58bughunter2aw
19:44.58PolarinaI got the nvidia drivers working on Debian Lenny (64-bit) (the "debian way"), but I also need the 32-bit version for WINE. How do I install them?
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19:45.11WyzardPolarina: nvidia-glx-ia32
19:45.12bughunter2*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: connection refused
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19:45.22PolarinaWyzard: That's all?
19:45.25Wyzardyep
19:45.33WyzardIt's the 32-bit libGL
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19:45.39PolarinaWyzard: WINE still says I require opengl acceleration.
19:45.41lbrunoloves the "debian way" of nvidia drivers
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19:46.07WyzardPolarina: I don't know about wine, but that's all I needed for running Quake 4 (32-bit) on my amd64 Debian system
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19:46.18PolarinaWyzard: "Can't load opengl32.dll"
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19:46.27PolarinaOh well. I'll figure it out.
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19:46.28PolarinaThanks.
19:46.34Wyzardoh, that's something completely different, and wine-specific
19:46.36PolarinaWyzard: Do I need to restart X?
19:46.42WyzardDebian has no opengl32.dll
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19:47.14eptalonhow much CPU does encrypted lvm take?
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19:47.23jelly-homeWyzard: wine has a /usr/lib/wine/opengl32.dll.so
19:47.30PolarinaDo I need to restart X for the 32-bit nvidia driver to work?
19:47.43abrotmanyes
19:47.44Wyzardnvidia-glx-ia32 gives you /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so, which is a 32-bit OpenGL library that uses nVidia's hardware acceleration
19:47.48ma3xhow can i set the local port when i telnet to a remote machine?
19:47.50Polarinaabrotman: Ok.
19:47.51Wyzardno, you don't need to restart X
19:48.01abrotmanWyzard: if he just installed the drvers and didn't have them before ?
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19:48.14Wyzardnvidia-glx-ia32 is just a library
19:48.22abrotmanma3x: man telnet
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19:48.45Wyzardthe driver itself (the 64-bit nvidia-glx package) was already installed (right Polarina?)
19:48.57PolarinaWyzard: And functioning, yes.
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19:49.24Wyzardso with nvidia-glx-ia32, 32-bit *native Linux* programs that are linked against libGL.so will be hardware-accelerated
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19:49.51abrotmanah misunderstood
19:49.53WyzardIf wine implements OpenGL, presumably it has some component that links against libGL and adapts it to the Windows opengl32.dll interface, but I don't know anything about that
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19:51.09ma3xabrotman: it doesn't say anything about 'local port'. you know when you establish a connection there is a remote port and local port, i'm trying to set the local one. or is it called somehow else?
19:51.25abrotmanoh why do you care?
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19:51.40jamontelnet neeeeeeds to die
19:51.44bughunter2the ntfs-3g package description says if i run etch or newer, i already have ntfs-3g, but i can't mount ntfs volumes, any ideas?
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19:52.04SystemFAILUREbughunter2:: how do you try to mount 'em ?
19:52.11bughunter2mount -t ntfs-3g
19:52.13ma3xabrotman: because my router blocks ports (both remote and local)
19:52.22SystemFAILUREbughunter2:: have you tryed with -t ntfs ?
19:52.27abrotmanwtf kind of router is that ?
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19:52.33ma3xnetgear
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19:52.44bughunter2SystemFAILURE: yes but that's the readonly driver afaik, sec.. i'll retry
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19:52.49abrotmansounds like you misconfigured it
19:52.55dvshas always had trouble with netgear
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19:52.56lbrunoma3x: we know what you're talking about; please try nc
19:52.59ma3xno i didn't the option name is 'block services'
19:53.00bughunter2SystemFAILURE: yep, no write permissions
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19:53.18ma3xlbruno: what's nc?
19:53.21MoRLoChma3x: maybe you could try with netcat (nc)
19:53.24abrotmanma3x: that's incoming
19:53.30SystemFAILUREma3x:: netcat
19:53.37SystemFAILURE*bau bau*
19:53.50ma3xwhat should i try with netcat?
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19:54.03MoRLoChma3x: instead of telnet
19:54.10abrotmanjust use telnet
19:54.19bughunter2hmm, ntfs... ><
19:54.23lbrunoma3x: at first, the manpage because I don't remember the args
19:54.33bughunter2ugly fs anyway, but it's easier to get linux understand ntfs than windows to understand ext3
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19:54.39bughunter2the ext3 driver for windows is fugly
19:54.43abrotman!tell bughunter2 about ext2ifs
19:54.52bughunter2stop giving me that crap
19:54.56eptalonwhen running the installer what's virtio, and whats squashfs?
19:54.57bughunter2i know about ext2ifs
19:54.58bughunter2and i hate it
19:55.00ma3xabrotman: it doesn't work (both local and remote ports are blocked)
19:55.01bughunter2kthx :P
19:55.01lbrunoma3x: after that, good luck with the firewall configuration!
19:55.10abrotmanma3x: then your router is misconfigured
19:55.31abrotmanor firewall more accurately
19:55.34ma3xwell the option 'block services' is enabled and ports are set from 1-65535 with some exceptions of course
19:55.43abrotmanthat's incoming
19:55.47abrotmanwe already covered this
19:55.54ma3xwhat means incoming?
19:55.54luckzdoes anybody here have experience with virtualmin?
19:55.58lbrunois afk
19:55.58dvsthen what's outgoing?
19:55.58abrotmangives up
19:56.09ma3xbut i can't predict which local port will be opened when i establish a connection to remote
19:56.30hoxu!ditz
19:56.31dpkgditz is probably a simple, light-weight distributed issue tracker that works with git, darcs, mercurial, bazaar, etc. http://ditz.rubyforge.org/ In Debian since 2008-12-07
19:56.45lbrunoma3x: most firewalls are stateful, in that a connection allowed in one way automatically allows the return traffic
19:56.46abrotmanmore useless factoids
19:57.07hoxuabrotman, bah! Fix it up. Ditz is going to rock if it gets more contributors :P
19:57.22jamonredmine ftw!
19:57.23abrotmanwould just have the bot delete it
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19:58.12hoxuabrotman, to be honest, we probably waste more oxygen than the factoids waste bits sitting in the database. Also, I don't see how you decided it's completely useless
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19:59.49abrotmanhoxu: are you going to create factoids for the other 25000 packages ?
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20:00.21Slingmaybe we can create a package for that
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20:01.23hoxu!info ditz
20:01.32hersoy!help
20:02.18abrotmanhersoy: just ask
20:02.26hoxuabrotman, nah, only for the ones that I believe can evolve into useful factoids and/or will be useful to repeat with !tell
20:02.53abrotmanhoxu: i bet in a year, that factoid will have been called twice .. and it already happened once
20:03.09abrotmananyways ..
20:03.13hoxuargh! So you hate my factoids - can we put it in the topic?
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20:03.24hoxu:`(
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20:03.32hersoyi dont see my users
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20:03.42jamonwhy not just have dpkg /msg apt-cache show pkgname?
20:03.45Slingthen call a meeting with them
20:03.56hoxuhersoy, what users? In 'who'?
20:04.07hersoysystem/administrator/users and gorups
20:04.10dmoernerpackages.d.o exists for a reason
20:04.22abrotmanhersoy: see them WHERE?
20:04.24hersoyi am using gnome desktop
20:04.33hersoyonly my user and root see
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20:04.43hoxujamon, I think it would be useful for blootbot to have a simple command to tell package description and homepage, yes
20:04.49hersoyand irc, postgres ...  dont see
20:05.01valdynhersoy: thats ok
20:05.07abrotmanhersoy: are you looking at users or groups ?
20:05.12simonrvnhersoy: 'who', 'w' commands, for one
20:05.12hoxujamon, then again, I tend to think humans can sum the descriptions better in short factoids, but abrotman might disagree about that!
20:05.18valdynhersoy: its working as intended, it only shows real users
20:05.25simonrvn(currently logged-on users ;)
20:05.35hersoyi am using debian/leny
20:05.40valdynhersoy: that is users that are supposed to be people
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20:05.49jamonhoxu: sure, but then again a human wrote the description for apt-cache in the first place
20:06.02hersoyi dont find show all users
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20:06.19valdynhersoy: complain to the gnome developers, its working as intended
20:06.33simonrvnwhat is this 'show' of which you speak?
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20:06.52valdynsimonrvn: gnomes user admin tool
20:07.07simonrvnoh, nm
20:08.09jhamboIn lenny, using knetworkmanager works fine without WEP but if I try to connect to a WEP router it fails.  I can connect manually with iwconfig and dhclient.  Any suggestions for a network manager that will actually work?
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20:08.50maligoryou might also want to use a encryption scheme that actually works
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20:08.58maligorWEP is completely broken
20:09.15jhamboAh okay so what's recommended? WPA?
20:09.36maligorwpa is certainly better
20:09.47WyzardWPA2 ideally
20:09.47maligorI use wpa2/aes myself
20:09.48jamon(with a 20+ character random passphrase)
20:09.49hoxumaligor, works as in is broken in half a hour instead of two minutes? :P
20:10.16maligorI think breaking AES would take a bit longer than half an hour
20:10.18Wyzardand yes, use a strong passphrase -- WPA is subject to offline brute-force attacks (dunno if that applies to WPA2 as well)
20:10.22maligoratleast bruteforcing it
20:10.39maligormore in the scale of universe ending timeline
20:10.46jamonWyzard: yep, wpa/wpa2 are essentially the same
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20:11.30ringo999installed texlive, what path to find the latex packages (.sty)?
20:11.33hersoyhow can i list users on terminal ?
20:11.38maligorjhambo, it's possible that noone ever thought of testing knetworkmanager with wep :P
20:11.41jamonhersoy: w
20:11.52valdynhersoy: cat /etc/passwd
20:12.00patrikfringo999: type "kpsewhich <filename>"
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20:12.11maligorsince WEP is essentially the same as placing a billboard on your door saying: "The door is unlocked, do not enter"
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20:13.02jamonmaligor: more like putting a 50' lcd tv in your front window with a key under the front door mat
20:13.13hersoyw <- only login user (hersoy) see
20:13.26jamoni leave my wifi open intentionally and throttle and block ports so people who really need it can use it :)
20:13.37jhambomaligor: hmmm okay I'll try wpa2
20:13.41hersoybut cat /etc/passwd see users
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20:14.03eptalondo netinst images no longer provide for LVM or encrypted fs support?
20:14.16maligorjamon, open terrorist relay, eh
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20:14.46jamonyep, and since i have all my neighbours doing it too, we're all guilty of trying to make the world a better place
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20:14.51petemceptalon: they did last time i tried
20:14.56simonrvnmaligor: yeh, some cia agent could use it. be careful.
20:14.59maligoryou'd have to find a tunnel relay to get random ports tho
20:14.59Wyzardeptalon: etch's installer had a bug relating to crypto-on-LVM not working IIRC...  I don't know for certain whether it's been fixed in lenny's installer, but someone said something here a few weeks ago that suggested it hasn't
20:15.04ringo999patrikf: im looking for the pseudocode package, kpsewhich wont finde it :-(
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20:16.41patrikfringo999: what does "kpsewhich pseudocode.sty" give? did you install texlive-latex-extra?
20:16.47MundusI get the same strange experience every time I install debian on a computer. It won't play dvds unless I set the region code with regionset. I've checked the region and it says 2, it works while running other live os and even worked on the windows installation the computer came with. What have I done wrong?
20:17.01Wyzardeptalon: the bug might only pertain to crypto-on-LVM-on-RAID (that's the situation where I encountered it)
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20:17.24valdyn!libdvdcss
20:17.24dpkgwell, libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <debian-multimedia.org> or <debian-unofficial>
20:17.28Wyzardeptalon: and the symptom is that after creating the LVM volume, the partitioner treats it like a raw disk and wants to put a partition table on it, rather than treating it like a partition so you can put crypto on it
20:18.13eptalonWyzard: trying to do that inside an lvm.
20:18.20jhamboHmm my router has "wpa2 personal" and "wpa2 enterprise". Does it matter which I choose?
20:18.26eptaloner, Virtualbox image
20:18.43Wyzardjhambo: "personal" means PSK (pre-shared key, e.g. password); "enterprise" involves PKI certificates and a RADIUS server
20:18.44Mundusvaldyn: I have installed libdvdcss and libdvdread
20:18.48eptalonjhambo: chose enterprise, probably better encryption
20:18.53nullboyno.
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20:19.18nullboyenterprise will require some sort of advanced EAP method, you want personal for your typical house install
20:19.27jhamboah yeah I think I want pre-shared key. probably less trouble to set up
20:19.29jhambocoo
20:19.55jhamboOkay well my connecttions gonna get yoinked in a moment then...
20:20.08daemonif you can you dont want wireless
20:20.21daemonI have my own personal internet at yhome but I also have 8 other networks I can connect to
20:20.24daemonWPA/WPA2/WEP
20:20.30daemonit took 1 night to break every single one of them -_-
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20:20.45daemonadmiteddly it took 3 minutes to crack the WEP ones.
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20:20.54Wyzarddaemon: Please tell how you cracked your neighbors' WPA2 networks in one night
20:20.57nullboydaemon: really, well if you broke WPA or WPA2 then they had some extremely weak passphrases set.
20:21.06ringo999patrikf: doesnt give my anything, and yes I installed the extension
20:21.09nullboyWyzard: i'm quite curious about that myself
20:21.10daemonaircrack supports drones
20:21.19daemonaircrack+40 servers = key
20:21.20daemon:-)
20:21.25nullboydaemon: you realize that WPA and WPA2 are not broken, yet?
20:21.32epsilonif you want WLAN encrypted in home use, use WPA/PSK with key renew every 60 sec or WPA2/PSK
20:21.35daemonnullboy, bruteforce works against them
20:21.39patrikfringo999: thats weird. try mktexlsr (as root) and then kpsewhich again
20:21.40Wyzarddaemon: so they chose weak passwords and you brute-forced the password
20:21.48daemonWyzard, pretty much this is home gear
20:21.49WyzardThat's not exactly breaking WPA
20:21.50jamonnullboy: there's a recent story about wpa weakness on the recv side iirc
20:21.56jhamboshould I select AES or "TKIP+AES" on the router?
20:21.57abrotmandaemon: do you actually have a Debian question?
20:21.57nullboydaemon: you would have had to use a brute force method which means that the person who set it up is a moron. properly setup WPA/WPA2 is still solid
20:22.01daemonWyzard, although there is a flaw in WPA, not WPA2 though
20:22.08nullboyjamon: you need to read the dertails, wpa is not broken....
20:22.11maligorjhambo, AES is preferred if all your equipment support it
20:22.18jhambok
20:22.24nullboydaemon: wpa is not broken though..read the details.
20:22.25jamonnullboy: did i say it was?
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20:22.48maligorTKIP is a compability kludge :P
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20:23.22n1kt0hi2all
20:23.53HockeyInJuneIf my default runlevel is 2, would there be any reason for my machine to slip into another 2-5 runlevel during normal operation?
20:23.59nullboydaemon: that last little issue about wpa was about tkip key streams, which has been known for quite a long time. however, wpa-tkip still has not been broken. all they did was make another advancement toward breaking it but it is still fine provided the passphrase is randomized and full length
20:24.02simonrvnno
20:24.04n1kt0i'm installed debian from debootstrap & I finished installation, but i not correctly configure grub
20:24.10Wyzardjhambo: TKIP+AES means WPA+WPA2
20:24.14simonrvnHockeyInJune: no
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20:24.23HockeyInJunesimonrvn, Thanks.
20:24.24Wyzardjhambo: e.g. use WPA2 where available, but allow WPA for clients that don't support WPA2
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20:24.45n1kt0update-grub && grub-install >> stage1 exist no
20:24.53nullboyjhambo: bottomline, if your clients support wpa2-AES (aka: CCMP) use that option only and don't set compatibility mode with tkip
20:24.54maligorWyzard, pretty sure WPA has AES optionally
20:24.55jamonjhambo: so in sum, as you were
20:24.56Wyzardjhambo: the "AES" setting would mean AES only, no TKIP support, so things that don't support WPA2 can't connect
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20:25.01n1kt0what I do wrong ?
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20:25.09maligorWPA2 just has it mandatory
20:25.21Wyzardmaligor: might be
20:25.42n1kt0i'm not understanding=\
20:25.45WyzardI'd recommend not allowing TKIP unless you have devices that actually don't support AES
20:26.01n1kt0gays=)
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20:26.15n1kt0pls help me
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20:26.32abrotmaninsult us .. then ask for help ?
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20:26.51Wyzardabrotman: I think that was meant to be "guys"
20:27.00frog_hi, is there any swf decompiler, aviable through aptitude?
20:27.05abrotmanlooks at his keyboard
20:27.09n1kt0update-grub && grub-install >> stage1 exist no
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20:27.26Wyzardn1kt0: I'm guessing English isn't your native language -- "gays" means "homosexuals"
20:27.33maligorfrog_, did you try aptitude search swf decompiler?
20:27.42abrotmanfrog_: apt-cache search flash decompile
20:27.46Wyzardn1kt0: anyway, what grub-install command did you run?
20:27.51Wyzardn1kt0: and did you get any error messages?
20:28.18n1kt0<Wyzard> I'm sorry, I not good spaeking english language
20:28.19maligormm.. my aptitude syntax seems incorrect
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20:28.28maligorapt-cache gives the result tho
20:28.41Wyzardn1kt0: What's your native language?
20:28.43maligoraptitude search only gives installed?
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20:29.12simonrvnmaligor: what version you got there?
20:29.22n1kt0<Wyzard> I'm live in ukraine, but speaking russian language
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20:29.38n1kt0*guys=)
20:29.42the_wandererIs there anyone on hand who would be able and/or willing (preferably both) to help with a somewhat severe font-ugliness problem from upgrading a broad swath of packages this morning?
20:29.44maligorsimonrvn, aptitude 0.4.11.11
20:29.50Wyzardn1kt0: You might find #debian-russian more comfortable
20:29.53abrotman!ru
20:29.53dpkgRussian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
20:30.04maligorit definately gives my search results from the cache, but I guess it only takes the 'swf' in it
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20:30.43simonrvngotta quote it
20:31.01maligorthat doesn't give me matches either
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20:31.11maligorerr.. that it to say, that doesn't give any matches
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20:31.48maligorand searching without quotes just takes the first word
20:32.47maligoraptitude seems to search the words individually
20:33.55ringo999patrikf: same result :-(
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20:34.33frog_maligor abrotman: thank you very much :)
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20:34.59patrikfringo999: what does 'dpkg -L texlive-latex-extra | grep pseudocode' give?
20:35.01simonrvnmaligor: maybe you gotta use globbing
20:35.07Skratz0rSo I updated to the new kernel by the "traditional" method, now when booting it tells me that "/lib/modules/2.6.27.8" does not exist...
20:35.15Skratz0rBut it does, and all the permissions are correct
20:35.25abrotmanSkratz0r: there's no .27 kernel in debian
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20:35.43Skratz0rI compiled it from source; kernel.org
20:35.47the_wandererSkratz0r:  At what point in the boot process?
20:36.04Skratz0rthe_wanderer: just before it tries to load the root filesystem
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20:36.23the_wandererSpecifically, is this going to be while it's still working from an initramfs/initrd? (Or do you not use one of those?)
20:36.24abrotmanSkratz0r: ask ##kernel
20:36.34n1kt0update-grub && grub-install >> stage1 exist no
20:36.40n1kt0pls help me
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20:36.49abrotmanhersoy: please don't msg me
20:36.51the_wandererSkratz0r:  If you use an initrd/initramfs, you probably need to update it to include the new modules.
20:36.52abrotman!tr
20:36.52ringo999patrikf: not in there :-(
20:36.52dpkgit has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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20:37.00abrotmanhersoy: and it already exists
20:37.06ipstaticanyone here setup mailman with virtual domains and postfix?
20:37.20Wyzardn1kt0: What grub-install command did you run?
20:37.49hersoyok sorry
20:37.52Skratz0rthe_wanderer: say what
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20:38.09Skratz0rthe_wanderer: I'm presuming this is something i can google?
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20:38.41n1kt0<Wyzard> i'm make update-grub & grub> grub & root (hd0,) & setup (hd0) and see message -> stage1 exist no
20:38.50the_wandererSkratz0r:  Yes, initrd/initramfs should be easy enough to find out about via Google. You might also try 'man update-initramfs' or similar.
20:38.53n1kt0<Wyzard> checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" existing... no
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20:39.09Skratz0rthe_wanderer: awesome, thanks for your help
20:39.18the_wandererSkratz0r:  I could explain, but without knowing what you already know it would be a little tricky.
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20:39.22the_wandererYou're quite welcome.
20:39.49Wyzardn1kt0: That looks like you didn't actually run grub-install
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20:40.36Wyzardn1kt0: grub-install copies the stage files into /boot and then runs the "root" and "setup" commands that you mentioned
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20:41.17bughunter2how can i just remove evolution and leave the rest of gnome untouched?
20:41.27bughunter2i.e. without uninstall important packages
20:41.40patrikfringo999: you're correct, it's not in texlive-latex-extra.
20:41.42Skratz0rI don't think you can; can you?
20:41.48Skratz0rthe dependencies stop you
20:41.50Skratz0rafaik
20:41.51patrikfringo999: on my system, it comes from texlive-science, try that package
20:41.56Wyzardbughunter2: If you remove evolution you'll also have to remove the gnome metapackage which depends on it, but that's OK because that package doesn't actually contain any GNOME software
20:42.00payload1i did a aptitude purge evolution
20:42.02n1kt0<Wyzard> #grub-install /dev/sda -> could not find device for /boot : Not found or not a block device
20:42.09bughunter2Wyzard: but it says i have to uninstall gnome-dbg
20:42.11bughunter2do i want that?
20:42.16bughunter2it says gnome-dbg is a pretty large package
20:42.20Wyzardbughunter2: Are you using aptitude?
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20:42.36jhamboOkay so I set up WPA2 on the router and installed the package kwlan.  But when I open kwlan and try to set up a connection I get "kwlan was unable to start wpa supplicant". What do I need to do??
20:43.02bughunter2Wyzard: it says this http://pastebin.com/d72f6402d
20:43.12Wyzardn1kt0: What mounts do you have?
20:43.12bughunter2and then "Score is -990"
20:43.19bughunter2and then asks me if i want to accept it :)
20:43.47magnetenouf: btw, I found out what the problem was, the /var journal is corrupted, and it looks like the disk (hardware) is just fine
20:44.05n1kt0<Wyzard> /dev/sda1 = /, /dev/sda5=swap
20:44.11Wyzardbughunter2: gnome-dbg is another metapackage which depends on things like evolution-dbg, which is debug symbols for troubleshooting crashes
20:44.17bughunter2yes
20:44.17magneti can't access a rescue system so i'm currently moving /var to another partition to recreate the journal from scratch
20:44.18bughunter2i know
20:44.26bughunter2i guessed it was safe
20:44.29bughunter2but i want to be sure
20:44.37n1kt0<Wyzard> i'm not have stage1,stage2 stage3 in the /boot/grub
20:44.42bughunter2Wyzard: so just "aptitude purge evolution" will work, right?
20:44.45bughunter2just being careful
20:44.54Wyzardbughunter2: If you remove evolution then you have to remove evolution-dbg, and removal of evolution-dbg forces removal of gnome-dbg just like removal of evolution forces removal of gnome
20:44.57Skratz0rThanks all; ciao
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20:45.13bughunter2Wyzard: so the command i just said is ok?
20:45.20Wyzardn1kt0: The message is saying that it can't figure out what partition your /boot directory is on
20:45.24Wyzardbughunter2: should be OK
20:45.25patrikfhmm... how would I go about reporting a packages.d.o bug?
20:45.26bughunter2k
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20:45.38ma3xabrotman: still there? what did you mean by incoming? local port?
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20:45.58bughunter2Wyzard: it worked
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20:46.18Wyzardbughunter2: aptitude may want to remove the other dependencies of gnome (i.e. the actual software) though, because those packages are marked as having been installed automatically to satisfy a dependency (the gnome metapackage) and aptitude removes such packages when nothing depends on them anymore
20:46.21n1kt0<Wyzard> what can I do ?
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20:46.52bughunter2Wyzard: how can i make aptitude check if my system is OK?
20:46.54Wyzardn1kt0: http://pastebin.com/ -- run "mount" and paste the output
20:46.56bughunter2like, dependencies etc.
20:47.02Wyzardbughunter2: aptitide doesn't let you break dependencies
20:47.09bughunter2:)
20:47.13bughunter2feels fuzzy
20:47.16bughunter2and warm
20:47.17bughunter2:P
20:48.07n1kt0<Wyzard> my debian in the virtual machine
20:48.19Wyzardn1kt0: What kind of virtual machine?
20:48.22n1kt0<Wyzard> & I'm in chroot
20:48.30n1kt0<Wyzard> vmware
20:48.52Wyzardn1kt0: vmware shouldn't matter, but being in a chroot does
20:49.28n1kt0why ?
20:49.32Wyzardn1kt0: run grub-install from *outside* the chroot, using --root-directory to point it at the chroot
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20:49.53jhamboI'm really pleased with lenny but network management is just as much a pain as it always was :(
20:49.56bughunter2Wyzard: i am beginning to like aptitude :)
20:50.09bughunter2jhambo: i don't think it is, what is your problem?
20:50.20jhamboOkay so I set up WPA2 on the router and installed the package kwlan.  But when I open kwlan and try to set up a connection I get "kwlan was unable to start wpa supplicant".
20:50.23Wyzardn1kt0: Or, you can just copy the stage files manually (look in /usr/lib/grub) and then run the "root" and "setup" commands you mentioned earlier
20:51.15jhambobughunter2: i've been spending the past two days trying to get my laptop to connect to my apartment wireless automatically. I can do it manually but that aint cool
20:51.37bughunter2jhambo: i've done it yesterday for my intel 3945
20:51.39bughunter2with nm-applet
20:51.40patrikfjhambo: do you have wpa-supplicant installed?
20:51.47bughunter2all automatically
20:51.48jhambopatrikf: yes
20:52.10Wyzardjhambo: FWIW, I've been using nm-applet (the GNOME one) for several years and it works fine...  check syslog for errors from network-manager, and make sure wpasupplicant is actually running
20:52.13jhambobughunter2: I'm jealous
20:52.14patrikfwell... network-manager (the GNOME counterpart) works just fine on my laptop ;)
20:52.36patrikfnm-applet, actually
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20:52.43n1kt0<Wyzard> yep, it's helped me
20:52.44bughunter2jhambo: well, i'd help if i know where you are locking up?
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20:52.55n1kt0<Wyzard> txh
20:52.57jhambopatrikf: I tried knetworkmanager but that doesn't work.  Doesn
20:53.00Wyzardn1kt0: you're welcome
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20:53.06jhambodoesn't have options for wpa
20:53.16bughunter2best is to remove all commands in your startup scripts that make it connect at the moment
20:53.21bughunter2after that, use nm-applet, and we'll see
20:53.30bughunter2nm-applet takes care of starting wpa_supplicant
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20:54.10Wyzardbughunter2: I think the network-manager daemon does, actually (nm-applet is just a GUI thing that runs as a user)
20:54.21enoufmagnet: very well - nice that you followed up ..hope all goes well
20:54.31the_wandererNo font-configuration (or "upgrade broke my fonts") experts around?
20:54.42bughunter2Wyzard: well that's fine with me, as long as it gets started, indirectly it is started by nm-applet
20:54.47magnetenouf: just mounted it in ext2, deleting .journal .. so far so good :)
20:54.51bughunter2thanks anyway :)
20:54.51jhamboRemind me, how do I figure out what package offers nm-applet?
20:55.05magnetit was a bitch to have it unmounted though ;)
20:55.23enoufi can imagine
20:55.32abrotmanjhambo: apt-file
20:55.35magnetarg
20:55.47magnetI don't have the fabled .journal file
20:55.47jhamboabrotman: I always forget that for some reason.  Thanks
20:55.53magnetit was supposed to appear when mounted on ext2
20:56.10Wyzardjhambo: It's in network-manager-gnome
20:56.22magnetenouf: any idea regarding that one?
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20:56.28bughunter2how to find out which package owns a file?
20:56.32bughunter2(i don't have apt-file)
20:56.38Wyzardjhambo: and the counterpart in network-manager-kde is what you should be using (sounds like that's knetworkmanager, not kwlan)
20:56.53Wyzardjhambo: I'm not surprised if kwlan doesn't work
20:57.00jhamboWyzard: yah, you're right... and that doesn't work..
20:57.01petemcbughunter2: a file you have already? dpkg -S
20:57.08jhamboWyzard: why is that?
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20:57.13bughunter2aw :d nice petemc
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20:57.28bughunter2petemc: i searched in the man page but i searched the wrong way
20:57.29bughunter2:(
20:57.43petemcyou live and learn
20:57.49bughunter2luckily!
20:58.03bughunter2sometimes just a quick scan through the man page is better than searching
20:58.04Wyzardjhambo: If you have network-manager (the daemon) running in the background, and it's started a copy of wpasupplicant running, then it's no surprise if kwlan (which knows nothing about network-manager) can't go and configure wpasupplicant and the wlan interface directly
20:58.29Wyzardjhambo: What doesn't work about knetworkmanager?
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20:58.48enoufmagnet: the journal was indeed external?
20:58.50jhamboWyzard: lemme get it going again and I'll give details.  One sec
20:59.03magnetenouf: no idea, it was formated as ext3
20:59.10enoufmagnet: and why didn't you just use tune2fs to remove the journal?
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20:59.26enoufmagnet: then likely the journal wasn't external
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20:59.34magnetenouf: i'm following a ... red hat sysadmin guide ;)
20:59.36enoufmagnet: ergo, no .journal file
20:59.46bughunter2Wyzard: if i now run "aptitude install" it removes all -dbg packages
20:59.50magnetenouf: ok; will tune2fs -j do the trick?
20:59.55EtherNetis flash plugin for mozilla, epiphany, etc... always slow?
20:59.57bughunter2which is fine by me anyway..
21:00.04magnetenouf: or do you know how to explicitely delete/recreate the journal
21:00.06Wyzardbughunter2: Did you see what I said earlier about auto flags?
21:00.07jhamboWyzard: actually kwlan and knetworkmanager are in packages that conflict so I don't think they'd be interfering with each other...
21:00.10bughunter2Wyzard: yep
21:00.18bughunter2just noticing
21:00.25bughunter2it wasn't a question
21:00.36enoufmagnet: tune2fs -O^has_journal /dev/name1 or similar
21:00.41enoufman tune2fs
21:00.43magnetI did that
21:00.48Wyzardbughunter2: I'm surprised if aptitude isn't trying to remove all the other gnome packages, if they're all marked as auto-installed and the gnome metapackage isn't around anymore
21:01.03magnetenouf: I did -O ^has_journal then -j
21:01.03enoufwell, you didn't say so ..
21:01.08bughunter2Wyzard: the gnome package is there, just gnome-dbg isn't
21:01.14magnetenouf: yep, sorry :) getting tired
21:01.19bughunter2Wyzard: removing evolution removed gnome-dbg, not gnome
21:01.32*** part/#debian EtherNet (n=ethernet@host65.190-137-168.telecom.net.ar)
21:01.53bughunter2Wyzard: perhaps i have a question about "control" files, in the "Depends:" line i have to enter a package name, now how do find the base package name? is it ALWAYS the package name without the version number info?
21:01.59enoufno, -O ^has_journal ,then similar to add it back , IIRC - the -j option would be for an external journal - wait - now i need to recheck the man pages .. ugh
21:02.19Wyzardbughunter2: the package name is what you'd put on an "aptitude install" line to install the package
21:02.29magnetenouf: looks like it work, I did tune2fs -O ^has_journal, then -l didnt show me the has_journal in the system features
21:02.30bughunter2Wyzard: but that would include the vesion number
21:02.39bughunter2Wyzard: i want something like this "wxwidgets (>= 2.8.0)
21:02.43enoufmagnet: set or clear
21:02.47magnetyep
21:02.48bughunter2but i want to be sure i'm doing it correct
21:02.52enoufso just run it again
21:02.55magnetok
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21:02.59ringo999patrikf: now it worked. thanks!
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21:03.08enoufmagnet: it's not mounted now, correct?
21:03.14Wyzardbughunter2: That looks right to me based on depends lines I've seen in other packages, but I've never made a package so I'm not an expert on the matter
21:03.14magnetnope
21:03.17enoufok
21:03.24bughunter2Wyzard: okay ;)
21:03.31enoufmagnet: test with file -s /dev/name1
21:03.40bughunter2Wyzard: i need this because codeblocks is not in the official repos and i want to have some fun experimenting with debian :P
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21:03.45magnetwhat does it do?
21:03.59jhambo_Wyzard: yay! it works.  I think the problem was that when I first tried knetworkmanager, I had not installed the wpa supplicant package yet.
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21:04.02enoufmagnet: your /etc/blkid.tab might need updating as well .. well ... hrm
21:04.07jhambo_Many thanks all for the help
21:04.13enoufmagnet: it show info
21:04.26magnet/dev/hda6: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data
21:04.35magnetI have no journal right now
21:04.36Wyzardjhambo: hmm...  network-manager-kde depends on network-manager, which depends on wpasupplicant
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21:04.43enouffile -s /dev/hdd1
21:04.45enouf/dev/hdd1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data, UUID=87a239ff-
21:04.46magnetwith tune2fs -l I don't see the has_journal bit
21:04.56magnetYeah it says ext2
21:05.06enoufyou mounted it ext2 - try mounting it ext3 now
21:05.13magnetIt's not mounted
21:05.24enoufwell .. then it's not set ...
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21:05.37the_wandererPepeating periodic request: an upgrade to latest sid as of the morning of 2008-12-07 broke my Iceweasel/Icedove fonts. Nothing I've tried seems to come close to restoring the old fonts. Anyone around who might be able to help?
21:05.37enoufbut, you did mount as ext2 you said prior
21:05.44magnetlooks like only tune2fs -j creates the journal
21:05.51magnet-O doesnt seem to toggle it
21:06.03magnetI tried a couple of times and checked with tune2fs -l between each
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21:06.10magnetit only clears it
21:06.11enoufatleast for you .. since you mounted as ext2 likely ...
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21:06.30enoufso then recreate one, i guess
21:06.32magnetwrong fs type when trying to mount it as ext3
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21:06.55jhambo_I like using konqueror but it is really slow on a lot of pages.  On simple pages it seems much faster than firefox but on pages like digg.com it is way slow.  Any suggestions for how to speed it up?
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21:07.03magnetdid it, now mounts as ext3 (/dev/hda6: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery))
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21:07.11magnetthat's what file says
21:07.11kibibytehi my sysstem boot in read only mode and halt, where to investigate problrem? now im running system in recovery mode
21:07.29magnetthe "needs journal recovery" bit, will fsck deal with it?
21:07.33enoufjhambo_: yep - it's a slow bloated behemoth .. sigh .. my p2, i'd rather use dialup - it'd be faster
21:07.38kibibytehelp
21:07.51enoufmagnet: it's fine
21:07.58jhambo_enouf: hmm bummer
21:08.03enoufFilesystem features:      has_journal filetype needs_recovery sparse_super
21:08.08Wyzardkibibyte: There should be some error messages on the console saying something about what went wrong
21:08.17magnetFilesystem features:      has_journal dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super
21:08.19Wyzardkibibyte: a problem while running fsck, perhaps
21:08.22enoufjhambo_: want a fast browser? try links2 - or if you need 'features' try midori
21:08.30enoufjhambo_: links2 -g
21:08.37magnetI have dir_index as recommanded by etch guidelines though
21:08.54kibibyteWyzard, where is log where i can find problem
21:08.54enoufthat's fine
21:09.08enoufmy FS here is small
21:09.11Wyzardkibibyte: ctrl-PgUp to scroll back in your console
21:09.20Wyzardkibibyte: there's no logfile since the filesystem hasn't been mounted rw yet
21:09.20kibibytethat didnt work
21:09.26kibibyte:(
21:09.29magnetwell it looks like it's ok, thanks a lot enouf
21:09.30enoufhrm .. Wyzard not Shift+Pageup?
21:09.39enoufmagnet: bingo ;-)
21:09.43magnetI hope it was indeed the journal corruption problem, but it seems likely
21:09.45Wyzardoops, shift, not ctrl
21:09.48Wyzardthanks  :-)
21:09.55enoufWyzard: np ;-)
21:10.00magnetfrom what I read on the web, and no usual hdd failure errors
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21:10.44magnetrebooting, pray with me :)
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21:11.07enoufmagnet: so long as you have proper rotating backups the only possible loss when it occurs is the down time
21:11.09magnetif I had physical access I would feel much better
21:11.10peteweezWould anybody be willing to take a look at my alsa-info.sh output?  I have no sound on an up-to-date Debian Lenny installation with the newest stable kernel from the kernel.org sources (2.6.27.8).  I have an Intel HDA chip in my laptop.
21:11.44enoufmagnet: i would make a copy of that partition with ddrescue 1st - then check my /etc/fstab settings and /etc/default/rcS
21:11.55magnetenouf: I have all the backups, but the downtime is a bitch, I have to contact the hosting services, etc
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21:12.24magnetenouf: I have rebooted the machine a couple of times today already, so I know it reboots
21:12.40enoufthen touch /forcefsck and reboot normally .. hopefully, your /partition is rw .. oh wait, this is not / fs .. nm
21:12.40magnetweee, ssh just came back /me happy ;)
21:13.14enouf!win magnet and <the other guy's name>
21:13.15dpkgCongratulations, magnet and <the other guy's name>! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
21:13.25magnethhehe :)
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21:14.43magnetI'm trying updatedb, that's what was putting the /var fs in ro (first time, this morning with cron.weekly)
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21:14.55magnetit's heavy on /var with all the find stuff.
21:15.33magnetthe good news is we profited from that downtime to upgrade from sarge to etch :D
21:15.48epsilon.oO find /various_stuff?
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21:16.45Bart-Simpson-LvsOi galera
21:19.03peteweezWould anyone have a look at my alsa-info.sh?
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21:20.11the_wandererPepeating periodic request: an upgrade to latest sid as of the morning of 2008-12-07 broke my Iceweasel/Icedove fonts. Nothing I've tried seems to come close to restoring the old fonts. Anyone around who might be able to help?
21:21.20abrotmanchecked the BTS ?
21:22.23aioobeIs there any way I can remove a file with a filename with an invalid encoding?
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21:22.59Wyzardaioobe: just remove it...  the filesystem just stores bytes and doesn't care about encoding
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21:23.07deus___hi
21:23.21aioobeif I do rm in bash it says the file does not exist (even though I tab-completed it)
21:23.37the_wandererabrotman:  Was that directed at me?
21:23.39enoufmagnet: updatedb shouldn't be an issue for a machine running strong for 4 years
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21:23.44abrotmanyes
21:23.47WyzardIt might contain shell metacharacters or something; put it in quotes
21:24.02enoufmagnet: have you been allowing the cron.daily scripts to run?
21:24.13magnetyep enouf
21:24.17aioobeWyzard: still get "no such file or directory"
21:24.23Octalotaioobe, Wyzard: tab completion ought to handle the quotes.  Sounds like a bash bug :(
21:24.25aioobecan't even do rm *
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21:24.40aioobecan't even remove the directory
21:24.45aioobewith -r
21:24.49the_wandererabrotman:  No, this time I haven't - but every single time I've had font breakage in the past it's been my own configuration's fault in some way, so I assumed it was this time as well. ("My own configuration" in this case being whatever it was warped into by the update, but that doesn't mean it's something which would be considered a package bug necessarily.)
21:24.50enoufmagnet: have you recently mounted /var with a non-standard option - maybe noatime?
21:24.56magnetnope
21:25.02Wyzardaioobe: That sounds like possible filesystem corruption...  I'd remount read-only and fsck
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21:25.06abrotmanthe_wanderer: is it just IW ?
21:25.47the_wandererabrotman:  Iceweasel and Icedove are the only places I've noticed it, though by and large they're the only graphical applications I run (gqview, kdrill, pidgin and sometimes xchat being the main others).
21:25.47aioobehmm.. don't have physical access, and it is the / partition... still possible?
21:26.06enoufmagnet: so - par for the course - something that normally works fine shouldn't be an issue .. unless there's some other issue - hardware, but even maybe an unusually high load (pushing the system resources to its limit and beyond)
21:26.09the_wandererabrotman:  It doesn't seem to happen with gkrellm or xchat, for what that's worth.
21:26.12abrotmanthe_wanderer: try moving your .mozilla to .mozilla-orig or something .. and restart IW
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21:26.22the_wandererabrotman:  One moment...
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21:26.38Wyzardaioobe: touch /forcefsck and reboot to check the root partition...  but if you don't have physical access,  you won't be able to see any messages fsck prints, nor use the console if it encounteres problems and drops to a shell
21:26.39magnetenouf: lately I have been running some more cpu intensive services, that's all
21:26.52enoufmagnet: there's no way for you to know if there was some power glitch?
21:26.57magnetthere was
21:26.59bughunter2how can i view the currently accepted gpg keys for apt?
21:27.02j_engelhIs someone still running bash 2.x? If so, could you test what the command "trap ls" does? [success or failure] Thanks!
21:27.03bughunter2and remove one or more
21:27.05enouf...
21:27.06magnetthere was an electricity outage
21:27.11aioobeWyzard: hm.. ok
21:27.11magnetat the datacenter
21:27.20enoufwell .. duh :-P
21:27.23magnet:)
21:27.25magnetlast week
21:27.29magnetlast monday to be specific
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21:27.32Octalotaioobe: what does "ls | xxd" give?  (it'll do a hexdump of the directory listing)
21:27.46dutchfishenouf, http://pastebin.com/med6d7cf
21:28.09aioobeOctalot: well, a bunch of hex-like output
21:28.24aioobeOctalot: what should I do with it?
21:28.34j_engelhaioobe: xxd belongs to vim ;-)  maybe want hexdump -C
21:28.35abrotmanj_engelh: you really mean 2.x ?
21:28.44j_engelhabrotman: yeah I guess bash3 changed something causing old scripts to fail
21:28.53dutchfishenouf, and this: http://fixunix.com/kernel/550350-pat-mtrrs.html
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21:29.02the_wandererabrotman:  Same problem, at least in the one place I can easily check with.
21:29.09enoufdutchfish: aha!
21:29.11dentifricehey there - I'm trying to export a directory via NFS; if works fine, except one subdirectory, which is a mounted usb disk, doesn't show on the NFS client - is there a workaround for that?
21:29.11abrotmanj_engelh: i have a box with 2.05b.0(1)-release
21:29.14aioobewell, obviously it outputs a hex dump of the ls output... what can I do with that?
21:29.21abrotmanthe_wanderer: other thing to try is as a new user
21:29.25j_engelhabrotman: and, does 'trap ls' work? in bash3 it certainly does not.
21:29.41the_wandererabrotman:  in the 'adduser new_username' sense?
21:29.51abrotmanj_engelh: on that box .. i get no output .. maybe ask #bash ?
21:29.56abrotmanthe_wanderer: yes
21:30.23Wyzardaioobe: I'd really recommend looking into running fsck...  trying to delete the directory with "rm -r" completely avoids any encoding issues (assuming the directory itself doesn't have weird characters in its name) and garbage in a filename looks like corruption anyway
21:30.37j_engelhabrotman: right. I just thought  - since debian runs overly old software sometimes ;-) - that there is a high change of finding someone :p
21:30.40j_engelhthanks.
21:30.47dutchfishenouf, compiling new kernel atm with PAT support, will tell you later
21:30.55Octalotaioobe: if fsck doesn't find anything, the hexdump would be a way to investigate for bash bugs
21:30.56abrotmanj_engelh: i just tried it and got nothing .. you can also setup sarge in a VM and muck with it
21:31.21enoufdutchfish: oh boy .. i think i recall reading something about PAT being an issue for Xen kernels recently .. not sure
21:31.33dutchfishenouf, yes
21:31.44dutchfishenouf, but this are all KVM systems
21:31.59enoufdutchfish: oh .. they are?
21:32.18dutchfishenouf, on curent etch xen i have no problems whatsoever
21:32.32enoufdutchfish: hrm .. so did that git i showed from way before matter? or was that only related to vmware esx?
21:32.33dutchfishenouf, but those kernels are pretty old
21:32.47dutchfishenouf, not really related
21:32.48enoufdutchfish: right - PAT wasn't in then ;-)
21:33.05enoufdutchfish: and neither was Xen
21:33.11dutchfishenouf, relevent is only mtrr in curent lennys kernel is somehow broken
21:33.15enoufdutchfish: now Xen is within the kernel
21:33.28peteweezCould anyone have a look at my alsa-info.sh please?  I've tried a lot to try to get sound and it still doesn't work.
21:33.44dutchfishenouf, no mather if you use KVM or not
21:33.59enoufdutchfish: well, you (and i've) shown how debian kernels only have that one particular MTRR option set
21:34.19dutchfishenouf, yes
21:34.36dutchfishenouf, but thats only half the story
21:34.51enouf...
21:35.04grilled-cheese<grilled-cheese> greetings, if I've got a wildcard SSL certificate and two hosts that are setup as 3rd level DNS within the scope of the cert, is there a problem with using the same cert and private key to secure communications between them?
21:35.05enoufthe other is .. the patch? ;-)
21:35.12dutchfishenouf, runnnin gmore tests against all changes that where made in the transit from 2.6.25 -> 2.6.26 in lenny
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21:35.49enoufdutchfish: well that patch you posted made it into mainline, so ergo within the newer debian kernels as well
21:35.50dutchfishenouf, yes, in 2.6.27.8 there are things fixed (trying that also out atm)
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21:36.50dutchfishenouf, reverting that patch only masked out by problem not solved the underlying problems in curent MTRR
21:36.57enoufdutchfish: debian doesn't mess with mainline (AFAIK) unless there's a reason to - and if so, the debian kern devs fix whatever the issue is, so as to work with all debian pkgs and such
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21:37.31dutchfishenouf, yes, of coarse, doesnt hurt to deep this further out, is it?
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21:37.59enoufdutchfish: not at all - but somehow, i'm starting to lose track of all the deviations and variations ;-)
21:38.24dutchfishenouf, well in short: MTRR stinks and should soon be replaced by PAT
21:38.30enoufhaha
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21:38.40enoufi like short and sweet ;-)
21:38.49dutchfishenouf, 2nd, move all that driver shit out of the kernel
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21:39.03enoufO_o
21:39.19dutchfishenouf, sorry for this remark, its to brute i admit
21:39.40abrotmanwhere would you like the drivers?
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21:40.02dutchfishenouf, but hey, look at the minix guys, partly what they did isnt so bad, not bad at all
21:40.26enouf!macrokernel
21:40.34dutchfishenouf, i think kvm could do a lot good to that too
21:41.03dutchfishenouf, and xen did already just that, isnt it?
21:41.17enouf*shrugs*
21:41.36dutchfishenouf, but that is all offtopic, i know
21:41.54enoufis just your typical dumbass american ... like ... oh say :-P
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21:42.43dutchfishenouf, well, i am not that good myself, compare me with the monkey that flip just the switch to see what it brings ;)
21:42.44abrotmandutchfish: like hurd ? (IIRC)
21:42.49enoufdutchfish: i like weeding out things with you though - so , no harm, no foul :-)
21:42.56enoufhehe
21:42.58the_wandererabrotman:  Doesn't seem to have helped.
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21:43.17enoufgnusense?
21:43.30enoufKFreeBSD?
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21:43.40dutchfishhurd is like a cameleon, if you grab it by the tail, you end up with .... only having a tail
21:43.40abrotmangnusense is a linux distro
21:43.42enoufhides
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21:43.55abrotmanand freebsd has in-kernel drivers too
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21:44.04dutchfishbut some of the things in there are nice
21:44.13abrotmanthe_wanderer: sounds like a system issue .. see what got updated and see if any of them have nasty bugs filed
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21:44.23enoufabrotman: er .. and? hurd has no drivers?
21:44.31abrotmanno
21:44.34enoufin kernel?
21:44.42embrikI've removed network-manager-kde and lost internet connection on both wireless and cabled - I've tried to download these packages, but get dependency issues all the time - can anyone help me?
21:44.56enoufso it uses mach / micro kernels?
21:45.04abrotmanfrom what i remember, most of the drivers exist outside the actual kernel
21:45.05enouf!hurd
21:45.06dpkgi guess hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net
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21:45.29the_wandererabrotman:  What got updated is over 200 packages (I just recently recovered from a bad-root-drive issue which kept me from my daily updates), and I don't have a log of all the changed packages, just a general memory of some which seem relevant... but I suppose there's not much you can do about that.
21:45.38enoufone of those things i haven't looked at closely at all .. atleast not well enough to recall that info
21:45.56dutchfishi more to believe the way linus pointed out, but kvm and xen and all should sit in between, makes things much less vulnerable, after all we want no systems that crash regularly wont we? at least that is why i choose Debian
21:46.01abrotmanthe_wanderer: you do have a log in /var/log/
21:47.25abrotmanenouf: i'm not going to go read, but ISTR that it implements drivers outside the kernel as servers/daemons that interact with the main kernel
21:47.28the_wandererabrotman:  Huh. I'd never have thought 'term.log' might be something like that... I'd have expected it to have something to do with a terminal or with program terminations or the like.
21:47.44abrotmanthe_wanderer: should be dpkg.log or aptitude.log
21:47.48enoufwhy would hird be spelled with an i there - i used to know - but completely forgot now
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21:48.14abrotmanit's some goofy recursive acronym name
21:48.20the_wandererabrotman: /var/log/apt/ contains subdirectories and term.log, and I don't use aptitude so I wouldn't expect /var/log/aptitude to have anything.
21:48.26Wyzardenouf: It's a mutually-recursive acronym (the 'i' in 'hird' stands for 'hurd') but I don't remember what the other expansion is
21:48.33Wyzardoops, the 'h' in 'hird'
21:48.36the_wanderer(er ,not subdirs, gzipped old logs...)
21:48.37magnetenouf: well it seems to run fine so far, I'm going back to my perpetual idling, thanks again :)
21:48.48abrotmanthe_wanderer: you should still have a dpkg.log
21:48.48enoufmagnet: np ;-)
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21:49.00enoufWyzard: well .. the h i knew - but thanks ;-)
21:49.20the_wandererabrotman:  Yes, I see it now. Got lost in the flood of more recently-updated logs... I had no idea so many were updated that often.
21:49.31abrotmanbecause they like .. log stuff
21:49.52the_wandererabrotman:  Looks like term.log may actually contain *more* information.
21:50.10hallo99I removed /etc/rc.*/*portmap, but after an update of portmap the files were there again, just that portmap is a dependancy for a packet I need doesn't mean I want to run portmap, it there away to stop portmap forever?
21:50.11the_wandererabrotman:  Yes, I know they log information, but when I've examined those files in the past they've generally had very little activity.
21:50.28abrotmanhallo99: update-rc.d
21:50.38the_wandererStill, I can prossibly take things further from there. Thanks for the advice, even if it didn't fix anything.
21:50.40enoufabrotman: well the very nature of a microkernel system removes the typical monolithic kernel 'rings', IINM
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21:51.22Wyzardenouf: "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth" according to Wikipedia...  that sounds rather vacuous though
21:51.24enoufthere's a real nice blurry line between user/kernel land
21:51.35enoufWyzard: aha! thanks ;-)
21:51.52enoufWyzard: no wonder why i didn't recall it :-P
21:52.07abrotmanbecause you don't know anything about it? :)
21:52.14enoufthat's a good word there-> vacous
21:52.18enoufer vacuous
21:52.38eptalonenouf: I think the line is rather arbitrary; but ideally you should have as little as possible in kernel-space.
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21:53.01enoufabrotman: it wouldn't matter - all silly acronyms and anagrams need to be dragged out back and shot
21:53.23abrotmansend them with the in-kernel drivers that dutchfish wants dead
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21:54.03enoufmaybe he was only relating to the non-free crap that has creeped in over the years
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21:54.36enoufeptalon: gotcha
21:55.00valdynhallo99: move the /etc/init.d/portmap away
21:55.05lordnazgulhow would I permanently change ownership of /dev/ttyS1.  If I do a chown, it reverts at reboot to root:root
21:55.09valdynhallo99: or remove the package
21:55.21abrotmanlordnazgul: why would you?
21:55.36abrotmana udev rule
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21:55.54lordnazgulabrotman for nut.  it needs to lock the serial port that the ups is on.
21:56.41hallo99valdyn: the package is a dependecy for another package, so I can't remove it, but I think update-rc.d does the job
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21:57.25enoufhrm /etc/udev/compat-full.rules:KERNEL=="ttyS[0-9]*",       SYMLINK+="%k"  maybe add a MODE= whatever there?
21:57.30hallo99\quit
21:57.52enoufC:\Windows Weenie :-)
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21:59.13niconHi there.
21:59.17niconOne question.
21:59.28niconHow can I install PIL module for python2.5?
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22:01.50enoufreferring to that hallo9999 issue, i have yet to see rcconf allow anything i've disabled at startup to be enabled due to upgrades or anything
22:02.14embrikWhere do the deb-file end when using the -d option in apt-get install?
22:02.25MoRLoChenouf: I think I saw that with bind and samba
22:03.09enoufMoRLoCh: if anything - i think i might have been asked (debconf) due to the .postinst scripts and such
22:04.10MoRLoChenouf: Oh, what I mean is I used update-rc.d to disable them, and after some dist-upgrade, it was restarted
22:04.14enoufMoRLoCh: but perhaps - i think if you answered yes to one specific thing like say portmap, samba might also get enabled or someshit like that - where one service kind of relies heavily on another
22:04.22peteweezCould anyone please look at my alsa-info.sh?
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22:04.41enoufMoRLoCh: sure  - my point was i use 'rcconf' to disable startup services
22:04.43MoRLoChenouf: yes, I see what you mean, and of course I don't recall what I answered, so it could very well be
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22:06.38embrikwhere do I find deb-files whe I run apt-get -d install ?
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22:07.17abrotman/var/cache/apt/archives/
22:07.19eptalonembrik: /var/cache/apt/archives,
22:07.33octox2is there a program I can use to extract an Iso and copy the contents to a flash drive?
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22:07.45eptalonoctox2: mount it'
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22:08.14eptalonoctox2: mount -o loop -t iso9660 the.iso /tmp/iso
22:08.20octox2lol sweet
22:08.37eptalon/tmp/iso needs to exist
22:08.51eptalonumount /tmp/iso when you are done
22:08.58dutchfish!mount iso
22:08.58dpkghmm... iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
22:09.13octox2it is actually a liux distr.   I should be able to just run grub and install gruuub to the falsh drive right?
22:09.21eptalondutchfish: thats what I said
22:09.58dutchfisheptalon, my mistake overlooked that one, sorry
22:10.01octox2even the bot knows how to mount an iso? lol
22:10.20octox2!mount nfs
22:10.33octox2hmmm
22:10.50octox2!mount iso
22:10.50dpkgi heard iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
22:10.51enouf!ride octox2
22:10.53eptalonoctox2: mount -t nfs....; look at man mount
22:11.02octox2i kow, I was just testing the bot
22:11.11enouf!msgthebot
22:11.11dpkgPlease message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood.  Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>".  See also <selftell>.  Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
22:11.28octox2lol
22:11.33octox2cool
22:11.37octox2thanks guys
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22:14.01enoufdutchfish: no mistake, no need to be sorry - not 3 minutes prior he had repeated what abrotman answered about /var/cache/apt/archives/ .. but you don't see abrotman saying stupid shit like "but i just said that!"
22:14.19dutchfishenouf, oh ok
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22:14.25enouf;-)
22:14.52adb!tell abd about enouf helper ;)
22:15.13enouf:-p
22:15.23enoufqq!
22:17.53frog_well, how can i see what was loaded into ram by a process with id x in the last few secons?
22:18.02dutchfishenouf, any info why debian left out CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y from its curent kernel?
22:18.03frog_*seconds
22:18.14dutchfishenouf, lenny that is
22:18.45dutchfishfrog_, have tried htop?
22:18.56enoufdutchfish: as i mentioned earlier - it hasn't been even in the config options, let alone being set in any of them that i checked
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22:19.07stoneddude
22:19.10dutchfishenouf, yes
22:19.11stonedwhats the matter with you
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22:19.14frog_dutchfish: is there a memory monitor?
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22:19.17enoufdutchfish: i'm curious when those options became available even
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22:19.33abrotmandutchfish: ask the debian-kernel mailing list
22:19.42dutchfishabrotman, ok
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22:20.11enoufdutchfish: do you know when that option was put into mainline?
22:20.25dutchfishenouf, trying to fig that out hold on
22:20.45enoufdutchfish: i mean, in Debian, i don't even see #CONFIG_BLAH not set
22:20.56Aramil_oshi all, this is a right setup of java for debian?
22:21.00Aramil_osjava version "1.5.0"
22:21.01Aramil_osgij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2
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22:21.16abrotmanAramil_os: it can be .. there are multiple
22:21.39Aramil_osabrtoman thanks
22:21.47lordnazgulenouf:  Thanks, you got me on the right track.  it was actually in /etc/udev/rules.d/020_persistent.rules.  I added a line KERNEL=="ttyS1",OWNER="nut",GROUP="nut".  Now I'm good to go.  Thanks
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22:22.35Steven_MHi. Does clamav check for rootkits?
22:22.47enoufdutchfish: fwiw http://pastebin.ca/raw/1279136
22:22.59enouflordnazgul: cool ...
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22:23.47stonedoh
22:23.57stonedman why are my irssi window numbers changed!
22:24.01stonedwhy is this #debian!?
22:24.03abrotmanSteven_M: you could use chkrootkit
22:24.04dutchfishenouf, yes, thought so, but i didnt know for sure. So, the question stays why they did have it in 2.6.25 and lost it somewhere in 2.6.26
22:24.07enoufdutchfish: all of those are debian, however the speakup one has been patched by me, and built
22:24.13stonedsigh
22:24.24abrotmanSteven_M: or rkhunter
22:24.26enoufdutchfish: who's 'they'?
22:24.46nullboystoned: are you stoned?
22:24.47dutchfishenouf, the maintaners of the curent debian lenny kernel
22:24.49enoufdutchfish: mainline? kernel.org? or do you find it in a Debian .25 version?
22:25.01dutchfishenouf, yes, mainline
22:25.01enoufwhat?
22:25.06stonednullboy, no
22:25.18stonedI forgot to /save layout
22:25.21nullboylol
22:25.22stonedfucking pisses me off
22:25.28stonednow I gotta do the whole fucking thing over again
22:25.28stonedman fuck
22:25.40dutchfishenouf,  and i meant CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER
22:25.51Qewsurely you don't need to man fuck... should come naturally. ;)
22:25.54enoufdutchfish: the Debian kernel is patched - there;s some reason why those other MTRR options are not even there, let alone enabled
22:25.57nullboyNo manual entry for fuck
22:26.04dutchfishenouf, ok
22:26.23Steven_Mabrotman: thanks :)
22:26.38enoufdutchfish: they (debian-kernel devs) can tell you why - i guess - but as to why mainline pulled it or whatever - maybe b/c it was replaced with PAT?
22:27.04dutchfishenouf, in 2.6.27.8 its still there so no
22:27.16dutchfishenouf, i just need to find when it came in
22:27.27enoufdutchfish: but you just said ;
22:27.31enoufdutchfish: ""
22:27.39enoufdutchfish: "why they did have it in 2.6.25 and lost it somewhere in 2.6.26"
22:28.01dutchfishenouf, ok, i just try to fig that one out
22:28.08enoufgit repo  grep the kernel changelogs
22:28.37enoufi'll find out dutchfish
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22:31.14hipitihopcan someone tell me how to list held packages and also which are considered broken ?
22:31.31dutchfishenouf, as far as i have kernel .config file back to 2.6.20. I have not older in my history backups
22:31.35enoufdutchfish: i see it 1st appearing in mainline .27 - not in .35.8
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22:31.37abrotmanhopefully none are broken
22:31.42enoufer not in .26.8
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22:31.58dutchfishenouf, right
22:32.01enoufnot in .24-.27
22:32.11enoufi don't know about prior
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22:32.20enoufi didn't go back that far
22:32.42dutchfishenouf, as far as i have kernel .config file back to 2.6.20. I have not older in my history backups could be sooner so
22:32.58dutchfishenouf, and that was for my vanillas
22:33.35dutchfishenouf, but i am also sure it was in lenny stock 2.6.25
22:33.36abrotmanhipitihop: dpkg -l | egrep "^.h" .. should list held packages
22:34.13Aramil_osthis is the right path to upgarde java ? http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib
22:34.24enoufdutchfish: i just checked mainline .16 and .18 and .20 ... nothing there
22:34.30abrotmanAramil_os: no
22:34.36dutchfishenouf, ok
22:34.45abrotmanAramil_os: which version of debian are you using ?
22:35.01enoufdutchfish: but as you know - the -mm fork, and the -ck or whatever might have had it for sometime
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22:35.20dutchfishenouf, i dont use -mm nor -ck
22:35.23hipitihopabrotman, thanks, but no output
22:35.26enoufdutchfish: this is where you search kernel mailing lists for details ;-)
22:35.33enoufok
22:35.33abrotmanhipitihop: so maybe you don't have any held
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22:35.53dutchfishenouf, ok, np i will do and if i cant find ask the kernel maintainers
22:36.20dutchfishenouf, thank you
22:36.22hipitihopabrotman, I just removed a package and it said "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 12 not upgraded."
22:36.23Aramil_oslenny/sid
22:36.34abrotmanhipitihop: that doesn't mean they are held back
22:36.40abrotmanAramil_os: you want the jdk or jre ?
22:36.43enoufdutchfish: now, looking at .27 through .27.8 i see it in them
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22:38.14hipitihopabrotman, I may have my terms wrong then sorry.... "The following packages have been kept back...."
22:38.25enoufdutchfish: also compare my pastebin results to this search; $ rgrep X86_PAT /boot/config-2.6.*
22:38.27enouf/boot/config-2.6.26-1-686:# CONFIG_X86_PAT is not set
22:38.33Aramil_osdunno which one abortman, im not so familiar with java, but the one that allow web app
22:38.48Aramil_osmaybe jdk?
22:38.52hipitihopabrotman, then perhaps I need to see how to list broken ones
22:38.56dutchfishenouf, http://webui.sourcelabs.com/kernel/mail/dev/threads/Out_of_mtrrs.meta
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22:39.01abrotmanAramil_os: do you have non-free sources ?
22:39.13enoufdutchfish: so .. reading the help within the config helps me find things too http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27.8/arch/x86/Kconfig
22:39.17abrotmanhipitihop: none are broken .. i think you want to do a dist-upgrade
22:39.28dutchfishenouf, yup, confusing
22:39.48enoufdutchfish: i mean the help within the appropriate Kconfig file
22:39.57dutchfishenouf, ok
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22:40.07hipitihopabrotman, a little nervous to do that. Can I use simulation mode for that ?
22:40.22abrotmani suppose .. but it will still prompt you before installing anything
22:40.26abrotmanAramil_os: do you have non-free sources ?
22:40.35Aramil_oswhat u mean?
22:40.47dutchfishenouf, at least this option and going to latest stable solves the problem on all my machines
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22:41.12CuBe0wLhi all! does anyone use kdat for managing tapes?
22:41.23hipitihopabrotman, is there something I can do to easily allow me to get back to the same state prior incase I break something ?
22:41.34abrotmani doubt you'll break anything
22:41.37enoufdutchfish: well .. you have a very interesting story to tell the debian-kernel mailing list now ;-)
22:41.39abrotman!tell Aramil_os about non-free
22:41.57dutchfishenouf, at least a good question i suppose?
22:42.24enoufdutchfish: well .. if anything, it's even bug worthy
22:42.57hipitihopabrotman, I got to this state initially doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and some of the changes prevented me logging in via ssh and other things until I reverted passwd and group files etc...
22:43.09dutchfishenouf, for that i need to delve into it deeper, but i doubt that, i think MTRR has hidden bugs as far as i can tell now
22:43.17abrotmanhipitihop: which version of debian is this?
22:43.28abrotman!tell Aramil_os about install java
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22:44.34hipitihopabrotman, .. Sarge, but it has some Netgear modes ... this is running on a ReadyNAS Duo
22:44.44abrotmanAramil_os: do NOT msg me
22:44.54Aramil_osok
22:44.56enoufdutchfish: also, i don't see the X86_PAT option even appearing in mainline until .26 - so you know since those are both related, there was some work all done at once, and merged it seems
22:45.03dutchfishenouf, and some things as xingu told me could be related to broken bios'es, that make things harder to analyze
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22:45.21abrotmanhipitihop: if you do the dist-upgrade it will show you what it's going to do
22:45.24abrotmanAramil_os: what's your question ?
22:45.32enoufdutchfish: not even .25.20 has a X86_PAT option, AFAICT
22:45.36dutchfishenouf, yes
22:45.39enoufdutchfish: yep
22:45.57Aramil_oshow i check which non-free packages are installed on my system?
22:45.57dutchfishenouf, X86_PAT is very new
22:46.00enoufdutchfish: xingu and me! :-P
22:46.11dutchfishenouf, yes
22:46.13enoufdutchfish: but it's relative to mtrr
22:46.30hipitihopcurrently whenever I do anything with apt it list the following "The following packages have been kept back:  cupsys debianutils dpkg exim fileutils libcupsys2 libldap2 libstdc++5 madplay nis raidtools2 shellutils sysvinit textutils"
22:46.45dutchfishenouf, ok, i will put some more effort in it, to deepen it out
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22:46.58abrotmanAramil_os: i wanted to know if you have non-free sources .. look in /etc/apt/sources.list
22:47.06dutchfishenouf, at least my problems are solved now
22:47.07enoufi wanted to correctly say "xingu and i" but it sounded to much like a Yul Brennar broadway play :-P
22:47.13abrotmanhipitihop: paste your sources.list in a pastebin
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22:47.39dutchfishenouf, np, honour to the man wo deserves it! :)
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22:48.05Aramil_osi have this
22:48.07Aramil_oshttp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib
22:48.13abrotmanthat's all ?
22:48.16dutchfishenouf, and thnak you for all the patience with me :)
22:48.20Aramil_osyes
22:48.25Aramil_os:S
22:48.35abrotmanAramil_os: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ?
22:48.40enoufdutchfish: np ;-)
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22:49.13enoufdutchfish: you're not nearly annoying as that stoned fellow :-P
22:49.26enoufruns
22:49.45Aramil_osDesired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
22:49.47Aramil_os| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
22:49.48Aramil_os|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
22:49.50Aramil_os||/ Name           Version        Description
22:49.52Aramil_os+++-==============-==============-============================================
22:49.54Aramil_osii  libc6          2.7-16         GNU C Library: Shared libraries
22:49.55enoufnice
22:49.55Aramil_osNo packages found matching tail.
22:49.57Aramil_osNo packages found matching -1.
22:49.58Aramil_ossorry
22:50.01dutchfish!pastebin
22:50.01dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:50.02enoufgood job
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22:50.30xinguhands dutchfish a fixed bios
22:50.42enouftry | tail -n 1
22:50.47hipitihopabrotman, trying, damn pastebin complaining I'm tripping their spam filter.  finding another..
22:50.49dutchfishis very happy now it was not BIOS after all
22:50.51abrotmanAramil_os: apt-cache search java plugin .. install the one you want
22:50.57abrotmanhipitihop: paste.debian.net
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22:51.16xingudutchfish: it's always the bios fault, you'll learn this as you proceed to the next level
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22:51.27enoufxingu: bingo!
22:51.28xingudutchfish: what ...SANITIZER... sanitizes is bios horkage
22:51.32enouf:-)
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22:51.50hipitihopabrotman, that one complains the same... anyway here http://paste.ubuntu.com/82170/
22:51.54enoufi can't say it as well as you though
22:52.01dutchfishxingu, probably, and yes it is horkage most of the time, but not this time
22:52.21abrotmanhipitihop: your choice .. either do the dist-upgrade or ignore the 12 packages
22:52.38enoufdutchfish: it's the silly BIOS that causes/uses GART/MTRR in the first place - i blame ACPI Tables!!
22:52.44xinguenouf: it's a rare talent, the instruction manual is written on the bottom of a very decent bottle of pinot grigio
22:52.53enoufhahaha
22:52.59dutchfishxingu, bingo
22:53.18Guerindrunken bios master style!
22:53.43hipitihopabrotman, happy to ignore, but I get a dependency error when trying to install "nut nut-usb" due to broken dependency
22:53.43xingudutchfish: and PAT and amd64 are kinda synonymous, the kernel maint that built without it needs to meet my sommelier
22:53.46dutchfishxingu, well, why we need bioses in the first place?
22:53.55abrotmanhipitihop: so paste it
22:54.28xingudutchfish: it's a job creation scheme for people who still know how to collect their own garbage as well as program in assembly language for a size target
22:54.30enoufto initialize the hardware ... unfortunately - we don't need it to be non-volatile though
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22:54.46xinguI of course exclude the ACPI/ SMM loons from this statement
22:54.50enoufhehe - see? said much better than i ever could@
22:54.52dutchfishxingu, chapeaux
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22:55.04smacnayTo update linux headers/image etc., should I boot into another kernel version?
22:55.18hipitihopabrotman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/82175/
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22:55.40abrotmanhipitihop: apt-get -f install ?
22:55.45xingudutchfish: heh
22:56.16xingudutchfish: you've just nominated tomorrow's word for the day :)
22:56.38abrotmanhipitihop: did you run apt-get update first ?
22:56.57dutchfishxingu, its an old word, not used that much lately meaning, you are the king, or something simular
22:56.58hipitihopabrotman, yes to update, and yes to -f install. "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded."
22:57.14abrotmanhipitihop: apt-get install libusb-dev .. what does it say ?
22:58.29hipitihopabrotman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/82177/
22:58.33xingudutchfish: the literal translation is quite evocative, I can see it being used with _heavy_ sarcasm on Monday. :)
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22:58.54dutchfishxingu, no, that was not my intention
22:59.08abrotmanhipitihop: apt-cache policy libusb-dev
22:59.10xingugrins
22:59.11enoufdutchfish: lighten up :-)
22:59.17dutchfishenouf, :)
22:59.44themillhipitihop: ewww! what sort of box is this?
23:00.02abrotmanthemill: some freaky NAS thing
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23:00.14enoufdutchfish: curiously, i wonder how all this mess affects EFI based systems ..
23:00.25themillabrotman: that's running a bastardised sarge. yay.
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23:00.45dutchfishenouf, that popped into my mind continously last day, i frankly dont know
23:00.46enoufdutchfish: then you get to test it all on LinuxBIOS systems ;-)
23:01.01hipitihopabrotman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/82178/
23:01.25hipitihopthemill, it is a Netgear ReadyNas Duo
23:01.31enoufdutchfish: yeah, the main EFI option seems to be right there - in with the mtrr and pat stuffs
23:01.46abrotmansorry .. meant apt-cache policy libusb-0.1-4
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23:02.50dutchfishenouf, at least we should be aware for newer kernels coming in, it will certainly have an effect on those
23:03.10hipitihopabrotman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/82180/
23:03.55hipitihopabrotman, themill. All this started trying to install NUT so that I can get it to recognize my UPS
23:03.58dutchfishenouf, i will also check with latest xen installs
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23:04.08abrotmanhipitihop: there are other UPS packages .. but anyways
23:04.22hipitihopabrotman, I'm not fussy
23:04.43hipitihopabrotman, but I guess after doing update && upgrade I'de better get it clean
23:04.51enoufdutchfish: ok
23:04.52abrotmanhipitihop: you're going to have to apt-get install libusb-0.1-4=2:0.1.10a-9.sarge.1 0
23:04.54abrotmanwhoops
23:04.59abrotmanignore the 0 on the end
23:05.08abrotmanhipitihop: and see if that breaks anything
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23:05.21enoufhipitihop: wait .. are you the udev rules guy?
23:05.25abrotmanwonders if sarge's apt has that
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23:05.56hipitihopenouf, since I don't know what you're talking about then I guess no :-)
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23:06.02xinguenouf: fyi SANITIZER might break things but if ...X86_PAT... breaks them *specifically on amd64* then they're likely to be broked on win64 too anyway
23:06.41xinguenouf: of the two SANITIZER is the more recent "feature" and has only popped up in amd64 land I think after about 2.6.27.? or so.
23:06.51abrotmanenouf: that was lordsomethingorother
23:06.55enoufhipitihop: someone was recently in here trying to get user NUT to work with their UPS on TTYS1
23:07.14dutchfishxingu, it goes back to 2.6.20 at least
23:07.15enoufabrotman: right - but you know how long some names remain :-P
23:07.34xinguenouf: some of this stuff is getting flushed due to the x86_64 + i386 -> x86 arch merges.
23:07.39xingudutchfish: on amd64?
23:07.43dutchfishxingu, yep
23:07.51hipitihopabrotman, continue ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/82185/
23:07.53xinguhmm
23:08.14xingudutchfish: suspect that's an out of tree merge, but I'll take your word for it
23:08.16enoufdutchfish: no
23:08.27enoufxingu: he's mistaken
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23:08.47xinguenouf: I know _I_ was only prompted for it post-2.6.27
23:08.55xinguenouf: ie, at make oldconfig time
23:08.56dutchfishxingu, regarding CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER i meant
23:09.00enoufnot on any arches until .26 ish - we JUST WENT THROUGH ALL THIS! FFS!
23:09.06xingulaughs
23:09.12xingufair do.
23:09.23xinguok, back to lurking, things to do, booze to drink.
23:09.34dutchfishchears
23:09.53abrotmanhipitihop: do you use gphoto ?
23:10.02enoufdutchfish: no, MTRR_SANITIZER doesn't appear until .26 ish
23:10.11dutchfishenouf, oh ok
23:10.13hipitihopabrotman, nope
23:10.31abrotmanhipitihop: since you're using third party packages, there's no telling what might break, but i suppose you can hopefully undo it later if it does
23:11.03hipitihopabrotman, however this thing is also running SqueezeBox conctrol center, no idea if it does for album covers
23:11.13enoufxingu: but - atleast with amd64 arch there are boot options specific to X86_64 which can/might help work around the issues when things break ;-)
23:11.23abrotmanhipitihop: you're asking the wrong person ..
23:11.32abrotmanhipitihop: i'm helping you install NUT .. and that's all i know!
23:12.01hipitihopabrotman, thats fine, shall I continue ?
23:12.18abrotmanhipitihop: sure, you'll find out what will happen
23:12.33hipitihopabrotman, you also mentioned there are other UPS pcakcages, shoudl we be trying those ?
23:12.49abrotmanhipitihop: i won't be trying them .. but you can
23:13.11nullboyhipitihop: I use apcuspd for my UPSs and it works great so far
23:13.30hipitihopabrotman, btw, this NAS thing is supposed to recognize usb connected UPS and does not see mine, that's why I'm trying
23:13.46abrotmanhipitihop: it might be too new
23:13.59enoufxingu: and dutchfish actually MTRR_* doesn't appear until .27 mainline ; X86_PAT appears in .26 - but my Debian .26-1 has that at Not set
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23:14.07hipitihopabrotman, the ups is listed as supported by NUT
23:14.16enoufer - has the PAT option not set
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23:14.41abrotmanhipitihop: okay
23:15.47hipitihopabrotman, question before I continue. It seems we are downgrading to libusb-0.1-4 is it posisble to force nut to use the later 1.10 sarge ?
23:16.00abrotmanhipitihop: if you get the source and change the deps
23:16.31hipitihopabrotman, since I am not using the usb on the nas for anything else then I guess there is little harm I can do
23:16.40abrotmanyou hope ..
23:16.45abrotmanit can be undone
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23:18.25hipitihopabrotman, ok, this is what happened http://paste.ubuntu.com/82193/
23:18.42abrotmanokay .. now try to install NUT
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23:20.31hipitihopabrotman, ok seems to have worked. So no I guess I need to do the same for nut-usb
23:20.43abrotmansure
23:21.59Gnurduxhow do you check the amount of free diskspace again?
23:22.07Supaplexdf
23:22.13Supaplex!tell Gnurdux -about grounding
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23:22.25hipitihopabrotman, does this seem ok ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/82196/
23:23.05hipitihopa little concerned about the linux-kernel-headers
23:23.12abrotmansure
23:23.17abrotmanit's just installing them
23:24.06hipitihopin progress
23:24.20hipitihopcrosses fingers
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23:25.09hipitihopabrotman, do I also need knutclient ?
23:25.12abrotmancrosses legs
23:25.18abrotmanhipitihop: don't know what that is
23:25.38hipitihopabrotman, mentioned here http://www.crn.com/white-box/199000818?pgno=1
23:26.02dutchfishenouf, tracing my doings, hold on
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23:26.37abrotmanmaybe try it without it first
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23:33.18dutchfishenouf, X86_PAT came in in 2.6.26 and was enabled per default in vanilla, in 2.6.27 came CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER, you are right
23:33.47hipitihopabrotman, ok that seemed to go ok, rebooting the nas now to see if it sees the ups
23:33.56abrotmanis skeptical
23:34.02hipitihopabrotman, thanks for your help btw.
23:34.05enoufdutchfish: ok then - but as i said; in Debian; /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686:# CONFIG_X86_PAT is not set
23:34.21enoufdutchfish: so debian disabled that one, for some reason
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23:34.40dutchfishenouf, and in 2.6.25 that wasnt there, so that prolly explains why that one runs ok
23:35.00frog_is the swffile loaded completly into ram? or is partaly read and only part of it is in ram?
23:35.20enoufdutchfish: in mainline and debian the PAT option was not there, correct
23:35.44enoufdutchfish: you need to be more clear and concise about which kernels/versions when discussing these things
23:35.44dutchfishenouf, i will bisect further tommorrow, good night
23:35.50frog_(while beeing viewed in a web browser as embedded object)
23:35.56enoufdutchfish: gn ;-)
23:36.04dutchfishenouf, yes, true
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23:37.14enouffrog_: well, whatever is cached is in RAM
23:37.22stonedhey
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23:38.20frog_enouf: ok, is there any easy way to dump this?= to check where it is?
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23:38.29hipitihopabrotman, well we don't appear to have broken anything. However it does not see tha ups, at least via the nas web gui
23:38.43abrotmanlsusb ?
23:39.00enouffrog_: i use mplayer and it's -dumpstream and -dumpfile options
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23:39.30enouffrog_: IINM, firefox though caches the file in /tmp/ somewhere so you can retrieve it later that way
23:39.32hipitihopabrotman, hmm, command not found
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23:39.44abrotmanas root? you may need to install it
23:39.45hipitihopwhat package is that part of
23:39.57frog_mplayer doesn't support swf files(afaik). i rather meant memdump
23:40.13enouffrog_: right, but it does support FLV
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23:40.38enouffrog_: strings /dev/mem | less :-P
23:40.38frog_but i wish to know how can i figure out what should i dump
23:40.49abrotmanhipitihop: usbutils ?
23:41.00enouffrog_: what are you trying to do?
23:41.30frog_well, as already mentioned, i wish to dump a swf video
23:41.36enoufafaik frog_ a SWF is a small CWS header file that then runs it's ActiveX code and finds the correct file you actually see
23:42.09enouffrog_: nobody gives a crap about shockshitmonkeycrap
23:42.21hipitihopabrotman, ok "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0592:0002 Powerware Corp."
23:42.28abrotmanis tha tit ?
23:42.40enouf!tit
23:42.40dpkgmethinks tit is *slurp*.  SARIG IS PERVERTED! TiT = Timeout in Transit
23:42.46hipitihoppretty sure it is
23:43.09hipitihoponly thing plugged in and all other ports have no device
23:43.41enouffrog_: some utils might help you - clive, swfdec, youtube-dl, etc etc
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23:44.00Matsonis there a tool that will translate mp4 into ogg on debian?
23:44.16enoufif there is, it's in mplayer
23:44.25petemcmencoder, ffmpeg
23:44.27jamonMatson: there is only ffmpeg, it is god
23:44.30enoufoggenc? ogg... er
23:44.32hipitihopMatson, pretty sure vlc will
23:44.46themillfaad
23:45.00enoufFLAC
23:45.35enoufMatson: ogg is a container - video would be Theora, audio would be Vorbis ...
23:45.37hipitihopabrotman, I'm certain since it is the only usb device
23:45.45Matsonok
23:45.57abrotmanhipitihop: and you're sure that version of nut supports it ?
23:46.23Agiofwshi is there an easy way to  get a LAMP server up in debian to test a cms ?
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23:46.42AgiofwsWhat you need to pull this off is some software that runs Apache, PHP and MySQL on your computer.
23:46.51Matsonwe run LegalTorrents - and we've been hosting the weekly video addresses from Obama - a few folks have requested we do not post them as mp4 - but rather as ogg
23:46.55enoufMatson: if you do get ffmpeg - obtain atleast the one from /msg dpkg dmm  (the one in sid is called ffmpeg-free, and is slightly er.. mangled?)
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23:47.11Matsonok
23:47.16enoufjudd: versions ffmpeg
23:47.17juddenouf: ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 lenny: 0.svn20080206-14 sid: 0.svn20080206-14 experimental: 3:0.svn20081115-1 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3 sid-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3
23:47.22patrikfAgiofws: there's apache, php and mysql packages, you'll have to configure it yourself though
23:47.23enoufjudd: versions ffmpeg-free
23:47.24juddenouf: ffmpeg-free --
23:47.28enoufbah
23:47.31Agiofwsok
23:47.39hipitihopabortman, it is a Powerware 5110  and yes it was on nut compatibility list, just checking version of nut though standby
23:48.01enoufi lost following what was happening with those pkgs
23:48.06jamonMatson: i administer a few sites using ffmpeg & php, end up building from source mostly, http://ffmpeg-php.sourceforge.net/
23:48.27Matsonjamon: cool
23:48.33enoufor .. compile from source - your choice ;-)
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23:48.54jamonheh
23:49.21themillAgiofws: /msg dpkg lamp
23:49.33Agiofws<PROTECTED>
23:49.44Matsonthe immedate task is this: http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/the_key_parts_of_the_jobs_plan/ - which links to a 53MB mp4 here http://www.change.gov/20081206_WeeklyAddress_VideoSmall --
23:50.00enoufjamon: oh crud - cool ;-) "07/16/07 - Offical Debian package available! Debian users can now install using 'apt-get install php5-ffmpeg'. A big thanks to Raphael Geissert for all his work on this, and for all the tips on getting ffmpeg-php to play well with Debian's packaging system. "
23:50.11Matsonideally what I'd like to be able to do is run ffmpg -arg -arg -arg  in.mp4 > out.ogg
23:50.32enouf(not that i know what to do with anything php)
23:50.33jamonenouf: sweetness, i can retire my svn co && checkinstall script!
23:50.47enoufheh
23:51.01Matsonjamon: do I need to php for php5-ggmpeg - or can I use it from the console/command line?
23:51.15enoufs/gg/ff :-P
23:51.29Matsonyes
23:51.39hipitihopabortman, yes my model is listed as nut driver bcmxcp_usb
23:51.56abrotmanhipitihop: i guess you'll have to dig into the nut docs
23:52.03MatsonI'm running php4 now...
23:52.05Ian_Daniher|XOanyone know of a good tool for dealing with the linux clipboard?
23:52.18jamonMatson: php5, ffmpeg, and php5-ffmpeg
23:52.19Ian_Daniher|XOwell, I suppose it's the clipboard provided by x
23:52.30hipitihopabrotman, should I look at using Apcupsd instead ?
23:52.34enoufabrotman: is judd also available in PM do you know? i think stew once told me, but i forget
23:53.06themillenouf: he is, yes.
23:53.06MatsonI don't want to use it to serve pages - I just need a command line tool
23:53.17abrotmanenouf: yes
23:53.18patrikfMatson: then why don't you use ffmpeg?
23:53.18Matsonjamon: will it work on the comand line too?
23:53.21abrotmanhipitihop: you can try it
23:53.32patrikfMatson: ffmpeg is a command-line tool, you don't need php5-ffmpeg
23:53.37enoufabrotman: cool - thanks
23:53.44Matsonpatrikf: some others have suggested there are issues with it - I'm trying to figure out the best way
23:54.26hipitihopabrotman, thanks for your time and getting me this far
23:54.27MatsonI've never done this before - trying to convert an mp4 into an ogg container
23:55.08enoufIan_Daniher|XO: there's also something called auto<something> IIRC, that syncs copy buffer with clipboard or someshit
23:55.19Matsonffmpeg wants to install 16 packages
23:55.22enoufIan_Daniher|XO: otherwise xclip
23:55.23jamonthere http://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/ maybe Matson
23:55.36enoufIan_Daniher|XO: in kde there's klipper
23:55.44themillIan_Daniher|XO: "dealing"? what do you want to do?
23:56.27patrikfIan_Daniher|XO: you can interact with the clipboard from the command line (and shell scripts) via xsel, if that's what you want to do
23:56.31Matsonjamon: hmmm looks nice
23:57.34enoufIan_Daniher|XO: aha!
23:57.35enouf$ apt-cache search ^auto | grep clip
23:57.35enoufautocutsel - Keep the X clipboard and the cutbuffer in sync
23:58.10enoufjudd: versions autocutsel
23:58.11juddenouf: autocutsel -- lenny: 0.9.0-1 sid: 0.9.0-1
23:58.27enoufooops, nobody has backported it yet it seems
23:58.31CutMeOwnThroatenouf, oh, that is cool
23:58.48enoufCutMeOwnThroat: someone else here mentioned some days ago ..
23:58.52CutMeOwnThroatenouf, wonder if it messes stuff up even more sometimes
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23:59.00enoufit might :-P
23:59.01CutMeOwnThroatbut definitely worth a try
23:59.11enoufwtf do i know - i just work here :-p
23:59.20CutMeOwnThroatyou do?
23:59.46cYmenI have a server running well some basic services without any load but horde/imp is dead slow. Any ideas how I could profile that/track the cause?
23:59.47enoufdon't make me have dpkg discipline you
23:59.51CutMeOwnThroathm... there's just some cases where I can't use copy-paste, proper
23:59.58CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, ignore enouf
23:59.59dpkgsticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, enouf"

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