| 00:00.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 00:00.11 | enouf | heh |
| 00:00.15 | jamon | cYmen: i can guarantee you it's horde and not your server.. |
| 00:00.32 | cYmen | jamon: No, it's even slower! :) |
| 00:00.47 | cYmen | it's totally unbearable.. |
| 00:01.16 | enouf | vmstat, iotop, top/htop, etc? |
| 00:01.19 | jamon | it's too bad the alternatives are squirrelmail or roundcube.. |
| 00:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I have to open another firefox or even kwrite window, paste it there, then get it into the other buffer |
| 00:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I remember - wine is pretty much such a case |
| 00:01.52 | cYmen | enouf: all of those? |
| 00:01.58 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: klipper can help you with that too, I think. |
| 00:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... not using wine often enough to remember immediately |
| 00:02.35 | cYmen | jamon: Does sqwebmail/roundcube work with dovecot? |
| 00:02.42 | jamon | cYmen: do you have a php cache like apc enabled? it'll make a big difference |
| 00:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I just installed that autocutsel... I'll see how good that work and keep klipper in mind, think |
| 00:03.02 | jamon | cYmen: yep, any imap server (though dovecot is of course the best anyways ;) |
| 00:03.40 | enouf | jamon: heh, i even had this bookmarked http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/Ffmpeg2theora_manpages |
| 00:03.40 | jamon | maybe i was hasty, try roundcube if you haven't and see what you think |
| 00:03.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm.... klipper is KDE, I prefer stuff that's non-kde if there's something else around |
| 00:03.43 | cYmen | jamon: I'm not gonna get memcached or anything just for horde... |
| 00:03.56 | cYmen | jamon: well, why don't you like roundcube? :) |
| 00:03.57 | enouf | slaps forehead |
| 00:03.57 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: klipper is probably already running for you. It has a "synchronise contents of the clipboard and the selection" option. Along with many other useful bits and bobs. |
| 00:03.59 | jamon | cYmen: no, but apc is a must for php sites, it's easy to use |
| 00:04.10 | jamon | cYmen: because i like mutt in a screen session |
| 00:04.24 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: you mentioned kwrite so I was presuming you were using kde anyway. |
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| 00:04.39 | cYmen | jamon: if you don't have a website that provides a terminal that doesn't qualify as webmail |
| 00:04.55 | jamon | cYmen: pecl install apc, you'll be glad you did i promise |
| 00:04.56 | petemc | eh? |
| 00:05.12 | enouf | huh? |
| 00:05.24 | jamon | that's the beauty of not using a website, i get my mail just the way i like it |
| 00:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, nono... I don't kwrite is just one of that can easily copy&paste both ways - but I'm always annoyed at the amount of spam I get from KDE programs (they complain that all the kde-big-brother stuff is missing) |
| 00:06.01 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: not if you install it, they don't. |
| 00:06.17 | themill | judd versions php-apc |
| 00:06.18 | judd | themill: php-apc -- lenny: 3.0.19-1 sid: 3.0.19-1 |
| 00:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't want to run all this all the time :) |
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| 00:06.54 | jamon | cYmen: if you're running lenny do like judd says ;) |
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| 00:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, are you running KDE? |
| 00:07.18 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. |
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| 00:08.35 | chomwitt | if i intermix use of apt-get and aptitude do i risk incosistenies or break in my system? |
| 00:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see... well, I don't like taskbars or file-icons, so I normally run something like fvwm2 or openbox |
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| 00:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | chomwitt, depends :) |
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| 00:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | chomwitt, I think it should be ok since apt-get also knows about packages that are marked as auto-install |
| 00:10.05 | themill | chomwitt: etch or lenny? |
| 00:10.11 | chomwitt | themill: etch |
| 00:11.06 | themill | chomwitt: then apt-get doesn't keep track of auto-installed packages for you. Intermixing isn't a problem, it's just that you lose that auto-install information if you use apt-get rather than aptitude. Aptitude is the recommended tool these days. |
| 00:11.34 | themill | chomwitt: the only thing that apt-get and aptitude don't cooperate nicely on is putting packages on "hold". |
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| 00:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | about the cutbuffer - of course, there were also used the different buffers as a "feature" keeping one thing to paste in one of them and another in the 2nd... but you can't have the cake and eat it, too... |
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| 00:16.06 | neoice | is there anything in the debian repos to provide captive portaling? |
| 00:16.07 | chomwitt | thanks themill & CutMeOwnThroat and he'll try to stick to aptitute. |
| 00:16.09 | khaleel5000 | hello, does the DVD 1 of Lenny contain KDE ? |
| 00:16.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | about the cutbuffer - of course, there were also used the different buffers as a "feature" keeping one thing to paste in one of them and another in the 2nd... but you can't have the cake and eat it, too... |
| 00:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | chomwitt, you've always use aptitude? |
| 00:16.56 | chomwitt | CutMeOwnThroat: no. |
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| 00:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... |
| 00:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you ever use it? |
| 00:18.14 | chomwitt | yes. (basically i'm fun of synaptic but i have to admin a virtual server of mine and i have to learn better cli) |
| 00:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | chomwitt, when you switch to it, a lot (all?) of the packages might become marked for autoremove... you can /msg dpkg autoremove and /msg dpkg unmarkauto about that |
| 00:19.50 | khaleel5000 | I want to know if DVD1 of debain has KDE, as I have to download it and send it to someone, how do I know if it has KDE (or major-core, parts of it ) are in DVD 1? |
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| 00:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | so basically you have to mark all of them as installed "manually"... which makes you lose a lot of the functionality of that feature anyways... |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | khaleel5000: i believe it does |
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| 00:20.34 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: they should all be marked as manually installed |
| 00:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... I don't know how it happened, but it happened to me and not only me... |
| 00:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not so convinced of that autoremove stuff yet anyways |
| 00:21.42 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: thanks, |
| 00:21.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | like.... removing a meta-package removes all of gnome or whatnot |
| 00:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes that might be what you want, but pretty often the meta package was just removed because they removed one component they didn't want |
| 00:23.19 | chomwitt | CutMeOwnThroat: ..! sounds dangerous. i'll study it little more. (so far following my virtual server provider's manuals i used aptitude but in some cases i installed some stuff with apt)Anyway thanks a lot. |
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| 00:24.08 | Sweetandy | In gparted, the options to make a fat16 and fat32 partition are greyed out. Is there a library I need to install? |
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| 00:24.30 | Sweetandy | I can't find anything on the gparted package page |
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| 00:24.34 | enouf | Sweetandy: modprobe -a vfat fat ? |
| 00:24.47 | enouf | Sweetandy: or .. dosfstools? |
| 00:25.06 | enouf | Sweetandy: or .. are all your partition slots filled? |
| 00:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | chomwitt, well, probably themill is right and it doesn't happen that way... *shrug* something along the lines happened ... dunno 3 years ago(?) to me anyways... perhaps that was when the feature was introduced into aptitude |
| 00:25.33 | Sweetandy | It's completely empty. I'm installing dosfstools, thanks!! |
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| 00:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's no longer an issue |
| 00:25.55 | syslq | What's the name of the software that parses logs and bans ip's that failed auth too many times? |
| 00:25.59 | syslq | Forgot |
| 00:26.10 | enouf | fail2ban |
| 00:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | fail2ban |
| 00:26.30 | enouf | denyhosts (for ssh only?) |
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| 00:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's another one |
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| 00:26.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, never heared of that |
| 00:26.42 | enouf | iptables :-P |
| 00:26.50 | enouf | yes - and sucks to be you |
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| 00:27.03 | erle- | how to add a 32-bit lib search path on amd64-linux? |
| 00:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have no idea how much... |
| 00:27.24 | enouf | chroot? ia32-libs? |
| 00:27.41 | erle- | i just want to add a custom path |
| 00:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| 00:28.09 | erle- | CutMeOwnThroat, does not exist |
| 00:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's an enviroment variable you can set |
| 00:28.17 | enouf | ... |
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| 00:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not a permanent measure |
| 00:28.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | the permanent way is to tell ldd about it |
| 00:28.49 | syslq | enouf: yeah thank you |
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| 00:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that needs chroot |
| 00:29.07 | erle- | thank you |
| 00:29.08 | enouf | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/your/path ; command ... |
| 00:29.15 | erle- | no, no chroot needet |
| 00:29.18 | erle- | no export needet |
| 00:29.21 | erle- | needed |
| 00:29.24 | enouf | or /usr/lib ? |
| 00:29.44 | erle- | LD_...="/path" command works |
| 00:29.48 | erle- | thank you :) |
| 00:29.58 | frog_ | enouf: thank you. anyhow i don't want to download it, rather dump, cause it is dynamiacally modified, and while downloading or recoverin from cache, i get only the orig. version |
| 00:30.24 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:30.40 | enouf | frog_: i see - well i don't know much more about all that - apologies - try #mplayer and #videolan if you use those |
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| 00:30.55 | enouf | TrueDD: nite nite |
| 00:31.15 | eduardo_e | Alguem ai pode me dar uma força? |
| 00:31.24 | TrueDD | nite enouf |
| 00:31.27 | enouf | !br |
| 00:31.28 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:31.36 | frog_ | enouf: you, ok, just wanted to say thank you |
| 00:31.49 | enouf | frog_: sure - no prob ;-) |
| 00:32.01 | frog_ | :o) |
| 00:33.19 | scientes | how can i change a package's compile settings when i use apt-build? |
| 00:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | always makes me wonder... you go into a channel, everyone speaks english, of COURSE everyone would assume they understand you when you speak spanish/japanese/french/esperanto |
| 00:34.13 | enouf | scientes: /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 00:35.43 | fbc | hello. Do I only need to download the first CD for a base install? |
| 00:35.55 | abrotman | or use the netinst |
| 00:36.06 | enouf | !tell fbc about netinstall |
| 00:36.15 | syslq | Is it possible to "chroot" python 2.6 on debian box, so it would be "one folder" resident for instance? |
| 00:36.20 | enouf | man .. my tyoing suchs |
| 00:36.34 | nullboy | it sucks too |
| 00:36.35 | nullboy | weeee |
| 00:37.10 | fbc | enouf, it's a PPC install. Netinstall will work anyways? |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:37.39 | enouf | sure - it should ... try #debianppc too |
| 00:38.01 | gewt | will debian run on a pentium 1? |
| 00:38.09 | syslq | gewt: yuh |
| 00:38.14 | stew | gewt: yes, 486 or later |
| 00:38.22 | gewt | :D |
| 00:38.26 | enouf | fbc: make use of all the Installation Guide info (for ppc ofcourse) |
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| 00:38.33 | syslq | gewt: but dont expect compiz |
| 00:38.34 | gewt | how woudl you install debian from a floppy disk? |
| 00:38.40 | gewt | syslq, lol :P |
| 00:39.00 | syslq | gewt: do you have network card on that pc |
| 00:39.02 | enouf | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:39.02 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:39.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, you might run into problems with RAM, though... |
| 00:39.09 | petemc | gewt: boot from it, then its the same as other mediums |
| 00:39.15 | gewt | k |
| 00:39.22 | enouf | gewt: my p150 has cdrom boot support |
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| 00:39.25 | spersaud | I connected an older Kodak camera to my computer using USB connection |
| 00:39.36 | spersaud | but it doest create a usb mass storage device |
| 00:39.39 | enouf | though the newer ISOLinux's won't boot on it |
| 00:39.44 | spersaud | no sdb ... |
| 00:39.45 | petemc | when i ran debian on an old world mac, i kept an old install of osx8 and used bootx |
| 00:40.00 | petemc | erm, os8, not osx9 |
| 00:40.09 | petemc | feck |
| 00:40.51 | syslq | Guys how should I install python 2.6 on debian without fucking up my system? I'm thinking chroot |
| 00:40.52 | stew | gewt: /msg dpkg etch floppies |
| 00:40.52 | enouf | petemc: so, keeping say os9 around during the installation helped much? cool |
| 00:41.06 | gewt | stew, i found it using ggoogle |
| 00:41.07 | enouf | petemc: well os8 for you |
| 00:41.15 | petemc | not so much helped much, but was required |
| 00:41.19 | stew | ggreat! |
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| 00:41.52 | spersaud | I need to transfer some files, plus this kernel wont even burn a cdrom |
| 00:41.59 | spersaud | this 2.6.18-686 kernel |
| 00:42.02 | enouf | gewt: yeah - well, i hope you have more than 48M of RAM - bettwe is 64 or more |
| 00:42.24 | petemc | spersaud: not all cameras act as storage devices, check out gphoto2 |
| 00:42.26 | eduardo_e | I need to let loose on iptables, vnc and terminal services, and http ... so determined to ip ... on my server, Internet, so whoever is in regulation, as is access? |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman | why? etch only requires 32MB IIRC |
| 00:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | syslq, checkinstall? stow? there are several different python versions in the python2.x packages anyways - grab one and see how it's done, swap the 2.x against 2.6? |
| 00:42.36 | gewt | don't have access to the system this month...but i know it ha smore than 16MB >.> |
| 00:42.44 | enouf | abrotman: 40something IIRC |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | to install |
| 00:42.56 | syslq | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm just checking checkinstall |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | and i believe there is an option to use lower |
| 00:43.22 | enouf | yes, the kernel requires it - no, the lowmem option was removed IIRC, now it's auto |
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| 00:44.27 | abrotman | guess he'll find out |
| 00:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | syslq, I'd do apt-get "source python2.3" first, and see how hard it would be to substitute the source tree.... if that works, that's the cleanest solution |
| 00:44.36 | gewt | "You must have at least 4MB of memory and 35MB of hard disk. " |
| 00:44.46 | gewt | wait |
| 00:44.49 | gewt | that's slink |
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| 00:44.54 | enouf | abrotman: then again, i recall fjp mentioning he customized an installer for use on much less RAM systems ;-) |
| 00:45.18 | abrotman | he could always install sarge and then dist-upgrade immediately |
| 00:45.24 | gewt | i'd lauhg if that system could run vista. |
| 00:45.28 | enouf | sure - have at it :-) |
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| 00:46.11 | octox2 | dont we have readcd in the deb repos? |
| 00:46.19 | enouf | abrotman: i mean, i would presume things like dd-wrt will install on much less as well :-p |
| 00:46.31 | octox2 | is there another program that can convert a cd into an ISO ? |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | octox2: dd ? |
| 00:46.40 | enouf | octox2: its; now readom |
| 00:46.42 | petemc | cp |
| 00:46.47 | enouf | !info readom |
| 00:47.10 | enouf | octox2: it's name changed along with wodim and friends like genisoimage |
| 00:47.45 | enouf | octox2: it's in wodim |
| 00:47.46 | enouf | wodim: /usr/bin/readom |
| 00:47.48 | syslq | Huh debian has no rpm by default |
| 00:47.52 | syslq | how very strange |
| 00:47.55 | octox2 | aaah :) |
| 00:48.05 | syslq | I thought rpm is a standard on linux systems |
| 00:48.06 | abrotman | syslq: it's a .deb based system .. why would it have rpm by default ? |
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| 00:48.17 | syslq | abrotman: I thought it's a standard |
| 00:48.20 | enouf | syslq: think again :-P |
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| 00:48.31 | petemc | syslq: no, its specific to red hat based systems, hence the name |
| 00:48.33 | syslq | deb is better, I use aptitude |
| 00:48.56 | themill | petemc: what, "RPM Package Manager" :P |
| 00:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:49.11 | petemc | :) |
| 00:49.15 | syslq | I'm installing open office 3.x since I need a way to parse docx files and I needed to install rpm, I thought it's everywhere |
| 00:49.36 | themill | syslq: Openoffice 2.4 in debian can read docx files already |
| 00:49.47 | syslq | themill: ???? on windows it couldnt |
| 00:49.51 | syslq | Bah |
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| 00:50.22 | jtaji | syslq: not to mention that openoffice.org provides a .tar.gz, not an rpm |
| 00:50.22 | Guerin | oo.o in debian crashes on any 2k3 doc file with WMFs in it |
| 00:50.32 | petemc | docx seems to be nothing but pain |
| 00:50.32 | Guerin | (I know because this is my work format :( |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | and OO3 is in experimental |
| 00:51.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, how lucky you are you can include svgs instead :-P |
| 00:51.19 | syslq | jtaji: I'm a long time windows user it seemed more elegant to use rpm but now I see why deb is better |
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| 00:51.28 | syslq | Install failed coz of dependencys :) |
| 00:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | syslq, well, reboot without saving your data first |
| 00:53.59 | syslq | CutMeOwnThroat: I always experiment inside virtualbox |
| 00:54.16 | syslq | CutMeOwnThroat: so I dont really give a shit |
| 00:55.46 | syslq | Btw how do you guys check if your system is ok, orphan librarys, some broken things etc... Can this be done programatically in any waY? |
| 00:55.58 | jamon | deborphan for a start |
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| 00:56.30 | petemc | syslq: a lot of the problems with rpm have been fixed, fwiw |
| 00:56.39 | themill | syslq: apt won't let you break things to begin with unless you abuse it in ways that shouldn't be done |
| 00:57.22 | jamon | themill: i'm sure if you let eric raymond have at it he could :p |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | hence .. abuse :) |
| 00:57.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... actually, as a rule, we don't check that |
| 00:57.34 | jamon | it's not that idiot proof |
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| 00:57.52 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 00:57.53 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
| 00:57.58 | octox2 | is there a way for cd to be bad yet the md5sum from the riped iso is that same as the original ISO before it was burned? |
| 00:58.30 | xicl | hey.Anybody know when debian 5 to be released? |
| 00:58.31 | jamon | octox2: did you md5sum the cd itself to check it burned properly? |
| 00:58.38 | octox2 | i also got a verify error in k3b when I burnnned it |
| 00:58.39 | petemc | octox2: burning can fail |
| 00:58.41 | syslq | thanks, btw I was told that aptitude is the way to go, since it handles dependencys |
| 00:58.48 | jamon | octox2: that's it then |
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| 00:58.55 | octox2 | I did readom -test.iso |
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| 00:59.27 | octox2 | then i got the checksum from the iso that readom made and it matches the original iso |
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| 01:00.11 | octox2 | i also made the iso from the cd on two systems with 2 different dvdroms and got the same checksum |
| 01:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | xicl, /msg dpkg WIR , /msg dpkg status lenny |
| 01:00.26 | octox2 | but wierd crap is happening with the cd it seems |
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| 01:00.55 | syslq | One last question before I go to sleep, what is decent gui burning software? I'm using gnome, I'm guessing k3b would need shitload of kde libs with it |
| 01:01.01 | octox2 | this is actualy the second cd ive burned that gave me a verify error in k3b |
| 01:01.07 | jamon | octox2: did you check the md5sum of the original iso compared to the one it came with from the mirror? |
| 01:01.15 | octox2 | yea, the same |
| 01:01.16 | syslq | I'm thinking of buying nero for linux but maybe there is something free |
| 01:01.18 | jamon | i'm assuming yes |
| 01:01.23 | jamon | if so, oddness |
| 01:01.36 | petemc | syslq: who cares about installing a few libs? |
| 01:01.51 | jamon | octox2: have you tried it with different hardware to test that? |
| 01:02.08 | octox2 | i did md5sum on the iso file I downloaded and it matches the Iso that readom gave me from two seperate rips on two differnt boxes |
| 01:02.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... deborphan | wc -l ----------> 248 |
| 01:02.30 | jamon | octox2: but what about the md5sum from the (ftp?) mirror, does the original iso match that? |
| 01:02.36 | jamon | could be a b0rked download is what i'm saying |
| 01:02.46 | syslq | petemc: I like os kind of clean, and gnome must have some burning app. |
| 01:02.53 | octox2 | i have to see if they list it on the site |
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| 01:03.50 | petemc | syslq: nautilus does some form of burning, perhaps gnome has a better front end too, im probably not the best person to answer such a question |
| 01:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | how dangerous is it to remove all the stuff deborphan lists? |
| 01:04.32 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: deborphan suffers the same problems as aptitude autoremove except that it's doing even more guesswork... |
| 01:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, seems it's only looking for libs, though - which should be rather safe |
| 01:05.09 | jelly-home | deborphan's default are rather safe |
| 01:05.12 | syslq | petemc: brasero seems to be dedicated app, anyway worse case I'll just buy nero linux, it's about the only app to buy in order to be legit anyway. Everything else works really nice, but I did spent 2 nights reading docs :) |
| 01:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'll try |
| 01:05.49 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: so is aptitude autoremove if you read its output first. |
| 01:05.57 | petemc | syslq: to be clear, you would rather use a closed source commercial app than install a few kde libraries? |
| 01:06.04 | octox2 | jamon: yes, it seems to match the md5 hash they suggest it should be as well |
| 01:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, yeah, and then I see it's removing all kinds of programs I use |
| 01:06.31 | jamon | octox2: well then it must be the hardware |
| 01:06.44 | octox2 | jamon: the cd itself has a check cd feature that started spitting errors when i ran it too |
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| 01:06.47 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: so mark them as being manually installed so that it's not a problem. |
| 01:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, didn't like like that.... on a glance with deborphan.... mmmmm "removing category 'truetype'" ... damn |
| 01:07.06 | syslq | petemc: I dont see anything wrong with paying for application. When I worked as coder I got payed for my work. Besides, open office rocks, I used it on windows also, but nero is the burning tool |
| 01:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, big fun, going through 1000 packages to mark 150 |
| 01:07.12 | octox2 | jamon: maybe my burner is writing fine, but having an issue reading? |
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| 01:07.36 | jamon | octox2: could be, or it might be whatever is on the cd isn't debian :p |
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| 01:07.46 | octox2 | jamon: i made an iso from the cd with that burner as well and it turned out the same though. Maybe a intermittent problem ? |
| 01:07.58 | syslq | petemc: besides I dont know what' is k3b like, is it high quality app or not, it's just the only one I know :) |
| 01:07.59 | octox2 | actually lol, it is debian |
| 01:08.00 | GhostlyDeath | How do I connect to my wireless network via the terminal? |
| 01:08.03 | octox2 | it is Helix |
| 01:08.14 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: you probably only need to mark a few strategic ones. It's your fault for removing bits of a metapackage anyway... |
| 01:08.17 | firespeaker | is there anything current that works well for grabbing files from a daap share? |
| 01:08.19 | petemc | syslq: k3b works well as a nero-a-like for me |
| 01:08.19 | jamon | for $0.01 burn another and test |
| 01:08.49 | syslq | petemc: Huh, ok, I'll try to install it in vbox and see how it goes. I'm afraid of all those libs :) |
| 01:08.54 | petemc | syslq: also, i dont mind paying for things either, and my company has paid debian people for support in the past |
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| 01:09.24 | petemc | syslq: burning cds in virtualised environments is something ive not done |
| 01:09.32 | octox2 | jamon: well. I had this same issue with another iso i was burning and got the same result 3 times |
| 01:09.46 | octox2 | jamon: k3b said something was up, but the md5 was the same |
| 01:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostlyDeath, e.g. iwconfig ethX ap <mac> |
| 01:10.05 | octox2 | ill try burning it on another box and see how it acts |
| 01:10.06 | syslq | petemc: not to burn :), to see the mess :), but it's not too big as it seems |
| 01:10.34 | GhostlyDeath | Thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:10.42 | jamon | octox2: well that's just not nice, have a usb stick you can use instead with something like unetbootin? |
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| 01:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostlyDeath, look at manpage for connecting to essid etc (you can then use ap auto - ap forces connect) |
| 01:11.04 | FredZ | I am attempting to get some old compaq fibre channel arrays working. I found the cpqcf driver but it won't compile "/Rules.make: No such file or directory". Has anyone had any luck getting this driver working? |
| 01:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostlyDeath, probably also want to run dhclient after connect |
| 01:11.26 | octox2 | jamon: that was my next step. I was going to boot the cd and install it to a usb drive and install grub onthe flash drive too |
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| 01:12.09 | jamon | checkout unetbootin and bypass the cd then |
| 01:12.18 | jamon | syslinux++ |
| 01:12.28 | Archgrue | I'm running some comparative tests between FreeBSD and Gentoo, when it comes to serving static pages with Lighttpd. I tested Debian as well, and lighty on debian runs almost half the speed of lighty on FreeBSD and Gentoo, same machine. How is that possible? |
| 01:12.34 | octox2 | unetbootin is to boot cd images? |
| 01:12.43 | jamon | Archgrue: etch or lenny? |
| 01:12.48 | jamon | the etch version is out of date |
| 01:13.05 | Archgrue | jamon: etch |
| 01:13.06 | jamon | and lightty in general leaks like a seive |
| 01:13.14 | syslq | Night guys and thanks |
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| 01:13.28 | jamon | i'm an nginx fan in the realm of light and fast http |
| 01:13.31 | Archgrue | regardless, the speed difference is significant. I can only attribute it to Debian packages being compiled for broather architecture. |
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| 01:13.55 | jamon | Archgrue: nope, the deb you get is for 1 architecture |
| 01:14.06 | jamon | whatever platform you're running, that's the one it's built for |
| 01:14.20 | Archgrue | jamon: yes, for i386. But I compiled stuff on Gentoo and FreeBSD for i686 with mmx, sse and sse2 extensions. |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | Archgrue: you could recompile packages for i686 |
| 01:15.33 | abrotman | !tell Archgrue about apt-build |
| 01:15.42 | jamon | and you're running 1.4.13 on all 3 platforms then? |
| 01:15.57 | Archgrue | abrotman: its not the point to recompile. I was testing any meaningful difference between distros where compilation is "native" and prepackaged distros. |
| 01:16.06 | Archgrue | jamon: yes |
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| 01:16.17 | petemc | Archgrue: are all versions of packages the same? |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | Archgrue: and you're testing with ab ? |
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| 01:16.35 | Archgrue | abrotman: with ab2 from another machine in the LAN |
| 01:16.47 | Archgrue | I was trying to get 1.4.19 on Debian, but I didn't know how. :/ |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | Archgrue: but the pages are cached after the first request .. |
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| 01:17.17 | abrotman | Archgrue: possibly a network issue ? |
| 01:17.29 | jamon | seige is a better benchmarking tool in some instances |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | rather .. a network driver |
| 01:17.35 | Archgrue | abrotman: yes, so hdd is not being factored in. that does not explain the significant relative difference. |
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| 01:17.50 | abrotman | Archgrue: the networking doesn't explain ? |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | Archgrue: do you still have them all running ? |
| 01:18.21 | Archgrue | abrotman: no, not any more. |
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| 01:18.41 | abrotman | Archgrue: i was going to say to create a single 1GB file, and time that transfer |
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| 01:19.09 | smacnay | To update linux headers/image etc., should I boot into another kernel version? |
| 01:19.27 | abrotman | Archgrue: if there's really a networking driver/kernel issue .. that might show it also |
| 01:19.28 | Archgrue | abrotman: I was trying to benchmark a highly realistic application with database access, reading writing, etc... It's the static file transfer, 4kb in size, that was significantly slower on Debian. |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | Archgrue: yes, i understand that |
| 01:19.57 | Archgrue | just wondering perhaps I was doing something wrong to get such a discrepancy. |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | Archgrue: you also used etch with a .18 kernel? and with gentoo a shiny new kernel ? |
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| 01:21.00 | Archgrue | abrotman: to be honest, I don't know about Debian's kernel version. On Gentoo it is 2.6.26 |
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| 01:21.14 | abrotman | if you used etch, it was either .18 or .24 |
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| 01:21.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Archgrue, perhaps you want to repeat the test with lenny, which is already on it's way to become stable? |
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| 01:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that way software versions would be a lot closer |
| 01:22.32 | Archgrue | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I'll do that for sure. |
| 01:22.45 | Ozzy | hi, having a problem...trying to make work twinview...thw error msg is "DbusID...same entity in use.."???? |
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| 01:23.25 | jamon | Archgrue: also, are you sure your gentoo isn't running 1.4.19-r1/r2 or 1.4.20? |
| 01:23.36 | Ozzy | please... |
| 01:23.45 | jhambo_ | hi folks, when I click on an pdf I get an inline preview. Is there a modifier key I can hold so that when I click it does "save as"? |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | Ozzy: #nvidia ? |
| 01:23.52 | Ozzy | y |
| 01:24.02 | firespeaker | is there any current way to browse a daap share and grab things from it? Everything out there either seems old or brokenâI feel like I'm missing something |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | did you ask #nvidia |
| 01:24.03 | Archgrue | jamon: no, i specifically unearthed 1.4.13 sources |
| 01:24.04 | Ozzy | ok |
| 01:24.44 | Archgrue | jamon: the point of Gentoo was compiled kernel and glibc (and any other dependecy), for specific architecture. |
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| 01:25.59 | Archgrue | Still, the apparent superiority of FreeBSD is breathtaking. |
| 01:26.01 | jamon | i understand that you want to test packaging, but you'd have to build on all 3 systems with the same gcc options to get a baseline to make sure you're testing lighttpd and not the os first |
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| 01:26.32 | Archgrue | jamon: but I _Was_ testing OS, in particular, the entire "default" packaging. Just to see the difference. |
| 01:26.44 | teratoma | hello why would this happen?: http://pastebin.com/m23a459a3 |
| 01:26.49 | jamon | Archgrue: not if there are differences in your gcc options |
| 01:26.50 | Archgrue | jamon: to me it doesn't make any sense to compile on other distros, for that I'd use Gentoo and call it a day. |
| 01:26.55 | enouf | jester45: kernel baselining would help as well - even though, debian and other binary distros offer prepackaged builds |
| 01:27.13 | enouf | gah - sorry jester45 - i meant jamon and Archgrue |
| 01:27.15 | jester45 | lol |
| 01:27.30 | jester45 | sure it would... |
| 01:27.30 | jamon | was wondering about that.. |
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| 01:27.36 | abrotman | Archgrue: if you're bored .. try etch again .. but get the etchnhalf kernel |
| 01:28.22 | Archgrue | abrotman: I might, although Lenny sounds more interesting. |
| 01:28.28 | octox2 | jamon: well see if unetbootin messed up my grub lol |
| 01:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Archgrue, well - depends I think it can make a lot of sense to compile a single application, whose performance matters to you, but enjoy the ease of apt for the rest of the system |
| 01:28.31 | octox2 | brb |
| 01:28.34 | jamon | i do have to agree about freebsd and postgresql, that's the extent of my experience with it but it is substantially faster than any linux i've used with it |
| 01:28.43 | abrotman | judd: versions lighttpd |
| 01:28.44 | judd | abrotman: lighttpd -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch11 etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch11 etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.4.19-5 sid: 1.4.19-5 |
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| 01:29.36 | SerajewelKS | perhaps i'm missing something obvious in the netstat manpage, but how do i get output that's wider than 80 columns so that ipv6 addresses aren't truncated? |
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| 01:30.39 | jamon | SerajewelKS: not sure if you can |
| 01:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma, apt-file search udevtrigger --> udev: /sbin/udevtrigger ... do you have udev installed? |
| 01:30.55 | Archgrue | CutMeOwnThroat: it's always more than just one. It makes greater sense to compile glibc as well, as it is in the base of virtually any application and library. |
| 01:31.19 | Archgrue | CutMeOwnThroat: imho, at least kernel + glibc + app-that-needs-high-performace + deps. |
| 01:31.23 | teratoma | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't think lenny has that |
| 01:31.31 | teratoma | CutMeOwnThroat: I am upgrading from etch to lenny, or at least trying to |
| 01:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma, doesn't have what? |
| 01:32.10 | teratoma | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think lenny has devfs |
| 01:32.21 | streuner | heh |
| 01:32.22 | teratoma | nevermind, im confused |
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| 01:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma, that's why I said udev :) |
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| 01:33.41 | SerajewelKS | jamon: that seems a little odd to me... |
| 01:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma, hm, but indeed it doesn't have udevtrigger in that package |
| 01:34.14 | jamon | SerajewelKS: yeah but then, i'm sure netstat was written long before ipv6 had been conceived of |
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| 01:35.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: COLUMNS=200 netstat ? |
| 01:35.07 | SerajewelKS | jamon: that doesn't matter... right now it can display ipv6 addresses. if they upgraded it to do that, surely they could upgrade it to respect $COLUMNS or something |
| 01:35.17 | Ozzy | Abrotman: no anwser there...can anyone give me a help? |
| 01:35.17 | Ozzy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:35.27 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:35.36 | jamon | lol |
| 01:35.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: my shell sets COLUMNS, it doesn't seem to help |
| 01:35.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: send it to a file ? |
| 01:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma, seems to me you're using an older ... grub/mkinitramfs-kpkg that expects it, but the package doesn't have it anymore |
| 01:36.04 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: piping it through less doesn't help either, which would indicate sending it to a file would not |
| 01:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, debhelper offered some help... |
| 01:36.28 | streuner | yes, a helpful bot :-P |
| 01:36.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially, if you can't find the way out :) |
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| 01:37.01 | Ozzy | what?? |
| 01:37.17 | streuner | Ozzy: we like only 2 lines here... |
| 01:37.27 | Ozzy | sorry? |
| 01:37.37 | Ozzy | i didnt did that |
| 01:37.46 | streuner | Ozzy: if you paste more than 3 lines within a certain time debhelper kicks you out |
| 01:37.59 | Ozzy | ok, but " ..." |
| 01:38.04 | streuner | sure, thinks like that... |
| 01:38.08 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.20 | streuner | things* |
| 01:38.26 | Ozzy | learning |
| 01:38.35 | jester45 | Ozzy, you said Abrotman: no anwser there...can anyone ... enter enter enter |
| 01:38.50 | jester45 | blank lines count |
| 01:38.51 | Ian_Daniher|XO | what's the best way to automagically mount removable disks? |
| 01:38.57 | Ozzy | probally, but i guess not |
| 01:39.13 | Ozzy | ok |
| 01:39.22 | Ozzy | sorry |
| 01:39.23 | teratoma | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm using grub package 0.97-47 like everyone else |
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| 01:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, depends on your taste... I like usbmount to get them automatically when I plug them in... then I use p(u)mount to unmount them before plugging out |
| 01:39.50 | abrotman | !tell Ian_Daniher|XO about automount |
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| 01:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma, how about mkinitramfs... tried update-initramfs, too? |
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| 01:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, "/msg dpkg usbmount" to read more about it |
| 01:43.00 | Ian_Daniher|XO | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I'll look into usbmount - I was considering writing a script using pmount and "ls /dev" with some grep and sed magic |
| 01:43.04 | Ian_Daniher|XO | but usbmount seems nicer |
| 01:43.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, read that factoid, it doesn't support vfat by default |
| 01:43.41 | Ian_Daniher|XO | CutMeOwnThroat: sounds like it's only a single line fix though? |
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| 01:43.57 | teratoma | how do i make grub regenerate /boot/grun/menu.lst ? |
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| 01:44.20 | sigp226 | What version of mplayer does Etch include? |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | sigp226: packages.debian.org/mplayer |
| 01:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, also, I found it necessary to remove the mountoption that makes it write everything to the disk/stick immediately - one usb-stick had a tremendous performance drop because of that option |
| 01:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, yes... just go through the config file |
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| 01:46.57 | jpinx | Can anyone tell me how to change my root's status on a remote box to allow me to ssh in as root ? |
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| 01:47.33 | abrotman | jpinx: you change the sshd_config |
| 01:47.37 | chuck | Why isn't libapache2-mod-auth-mysql in lenny's repos? |
| 01:48.18 | abrotman | chuck: it is |
| 01:48.24 | abrotman | judd: versions libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 01:48.24 | judd | abrotman: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql -- lenny: 4.3.9-9 sid: 4.3.9-10 |
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| 01:48.47 | chuck | oh. |
| 01:48.53 | chuck | maybe I'm not using sid after all then O_o |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | sid is not lenny ? |
| 01:49.04 | chuck | *lenny sorry |
| 01:49.22 | abrotman | chuck: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 01:49.25 | chuck | blah, i'm using etch |
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| 01:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:50.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Oh, I'm driving a VW instead of a mercedes" |
| 01:50.28 | barzan | hola. os queria hacer una pregunta... estoy haciendo un script para dar de alta usuarios a partir de un archivo de texto. Lo estoy realizando en awk |
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| 01:50.47 | barzan | pero cuando intento poner un comentario ademas de dar el alta del user no me lo toma |
| 01:51.08 | barzan | alguien sabe como seria la sintaxis |
| 01:51.12 | SerajewelKS | !es |
| 01:51.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:51.32 | barzan | s="useradd -c"$2"" "$1"; |
| 01:51.44 | barzan | system(s) |
| 01:51.54 | SerajewelKS | barzan: #debian-es |
| 01:52.01 | barzan | ok |
| 01:52.05 | barzan | thk |
| 01:52.14 | jpinx | ok - I'm looking at ssh_config but I see no entries for individual users - it seems to be all system-wide stuff |
| 01:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, sshd_config |
| 01:52.33 | SerajewelKS | jpinx: there's some option AllowRootLogin in sshd_config |
| 01:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's not for individual users, just for root |
| 01:52.46 | SerajewelKS | jpinx: i don't recall what exactly it's called but the default is yes IIRC |
| 01:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | AllowRootLogin sounds like the right type of badger |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | jpinx: sshd_config |
| 01:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 01:54.20 | petemc | you used a comma instead of a colon |
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| 01:54.50 | jpinx | I have no command sshd_config |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | it's a file |
| 01:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not a command |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 01:55.40 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm in there already and reading |
| 01:55.58 | jpinx | there is nothing obviously referring to any specific user |
| 01:56.14 | Tramp | jpinx: you may want to ask the man |
| 01:56.18 | simonrvn | of course, it's a *system* file. |
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| 01:56.40 | petemc | user specific settings are in ~/.ssh/config |
| 01:57.17 | jpinx | petemc: there is no .ssh/config for the root |
| 01:57.42 | simonrvn | and so you make one. ... |
| 01:57.42 | petemc | root isnt a 'user' |
| 01:57.45 | petemc | per se |
| 01:57.59 | SerajewelKS | root is a user |
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| 01:58.06 | SerajewelKS | it's more of a role user but it's a user |
| 01:58.11 | simonrvn | (personallyi'd stay away from ssh root) |
| 01:58.23 | jpinx | I am doing "sudo cat /.ssh/config" and getting no file |
| 01:58.37 | petemc | simonrvn: if you use the term user, it doesnt apply to root |
| 01:58.41 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i agree, i have root login disabled on all my sshds |
| 01:58.43 | petemc | gah |
| 01:59.00 | jpinx | simonrvn: I agree but i need to pull rsync everything prior to an upgrade from sarge |
| 01:59.16 | simonrvn | good luck then |
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| 02:00.00 | jpinx | but I need to be able to rsync from the remote box as root, and that means logging into ssh as root - which is currently disabled |
| 02:00.12 | SerajewelKS | jpinx: no |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | so fix your sshd_config |
| 02:00.17 | jpinx | and I need to know how to temporariy enable it |
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| 02:00.17 | SerajewelKS | jpinx: ssh in as a user then su/sudo to root |
| 02:00.26 | SerajewelKS | as a non-root* user |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: he's going to rsync over ssh |
| 02:00.44 | jpinx | it's rsync over ssh |
| 02:00.54 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: < jpinx> but I need to be able to rsync from the remote box as root, and that means logging into ssh as root - which is currently disabled |
| 02:00.58 | jpinx | and I am not aware of any way to use sudo with rsync |
| 02:01.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the way i read that, he's rsyncing as root so he thinks he needs to ssh in as root |
| 02:01.20 | jpinx | that would be my ideal solution |
| 02:01.21 | abrotman | he's doing an rsync over ssh |
| 02:01.30 | SerajewelKS | aha, he wants to pull, not push |
| 02:01.38 | jpinx | abrotman: you're right |
| 02:01.42 | SerajewelKS | i was seeing that as meaning ssh into box and run rsync to push back to the other box |
| 02:01.54 | jpinx | SerajewelKS: yes - it's pull rsync as root |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | he could technically do it either way i suppose |
| 02:02.17 | jpinx | abrotman: not so easy to get into my localbox |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | jpinx: so fix your sshd_config |
| 02:02.40 | jpinx | i really want to rsync with sudo - but I am unaware of a method for that |
| 02:02.51 | Tramp | jpinx: why don't you check the manpage for sshd_config? The first match, when searching for "Root" will help you. |
| 02:04.01 | Tramp | jpinx: and if you want to only allow certain users to login as root, combining that with "Match" in a clever way may even do that (provided you are on lenny) |
| 02:04.06 | jpinx | Tramp: I am unaware of how to search a man page for a word |
| 02:04.17 | Tramp | jpinx: ah, now we are getting somewhere |
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| 02:04.37 | streuner | man foo | grep blah |
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| 02:04.41 | Tramp | jpinx: in the standard pager (less) type "/" followed by the term you want to match |
| 02:05.06 | jpinx | ta |
| 02:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 02:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | manpages are pretty worthless if you can't search in them |
| 02:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( man bash ) |
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| 02:05.31 | Tramp | jpinx: and while you're at it, learn a bit about less. You will not get far in Linux unless you know how to search manpages |
| 02:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually many/most files are pretty useless when you can't search them :) |
| 02:06.34 | simonrvn | learn more about less |
| 02:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and less about most? |
| 02:06.45 | simonrvn | (couldn't resist) |
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| 02:07.29 | streuner | hehe, just read the whole man-page (couldnt resist too) :-) |
| 02:08.02 | streuner | specially for ls or bash ;-) |
| 02:08.17 | simonrvn | though most is less, but more is less than less, and less is more than than more, but less than less, more or less. |
| 02:08.21 | jpinx | I can search for the first occurence of a word, but how do I get it to give me the subsequent ones? |
| 02:08.25 | enouf | jpinx: in links2 -g browser, searching is the exact same as it is in man pages ;-) |
| 02:08.33 | simonrvn | s/than than/than/ |
| 02:08.37 | enouf | jpinx: n |
| 02:08.53 | Tramp | jpinx: please learn to work with less. Most people won't answer such basic questions |
| 02:09.02 | Tramp | jpinx: unless they are as kind as enouf |
| 02:09.05 | enouf | then man less ;-) shift+n and ? etc |
| 02:09.07 | jpinx | googles |
| 02:09.23 | enouf | Tramp: sorry about that :-P |
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| 02:10.01 | Tramp | jpinx: one tip: when you are watching a manpaged with less, hit "h" to get a short command reference. Maybe that will get you further. |
| 02:10.11 | simonrvn | enouf: man less ? |
| 02:10.32 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 02:10.46 | enouf | heh |
| 02:11.02 | enouf | cat dog moo |
| 02:11.08 | jpinx | thanks for the crash course on manpages guys |
| 02:11.16 | simonrvn | Tramp: going to the help is also useful to get less to re-read the tailed file |
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| 02:11.38 | simonrvn | in tail mode (less +F file) |
| 02:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, no, most is more than less, but yes, less is more than more |
| 02:12.00 | enouf | mostly |
| 02:12.03 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: didn't i say that? (hehe) |
| 02:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, enouf is kind? You're spreading evil rumors here, mate |
| 02:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, no, you said the opposite |
| 02:12.35 | enouf | inverts CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you said most is less, but most is most and less is less than most |
| 02:12.49 | simonrvn | oh damn, that is what i meant however, what you said. |
| 02:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | funnily, nearly nobody uses most, although it's superior |
| 02:13.21 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, sorry right. I'd be offended too if somebody called me kind. |
| 02:13.43 | simonrvn | i don't like it much, due to its crummy search |
| 02:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, be careful he doesn't sue you for character assasination |
| 02:13.48 | petemc | in what way is most superior? |
| 02:14.26 | simonrvn | i wouldn't mind being called kind. wtf is wrong with you? |
| 02:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, dunno, I don't use it :-P - but kidding aside... it displays binary files as hex dumps and has a lot other fancy stuff |
| 02:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, yeah, but then you ain't that kind ;) |
| 02:15.09 | petemc | eval $(lesspipe) |
| 02:16.30 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: i call you "kind" ;-) |
| 02:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 02:16.56 | streuner | kind is a german word... |
| 02:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know |
| 02:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's Capitalized |
| 02:17.13 | streuner | yes, i know that you know that :-) |
| 02:17.24 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: the SMS-generation does not capitalize anymore |
| 02:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | tru - or spel corctly |
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| 02:18.25 | jpinx | found it thanks to google - The trick is to add an rsync-path flag, and set the user's sudo entry to run rsync with sudo without providing a password. |
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| 02:19.38 | jpinx | that was easier than learning about less....;) |
| 02:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, anyways... I'm kind-a past that age |
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| 02:19.58 | lbruno | waves |
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| 02:20.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, I doubt it |
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| 02:21.36 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: believe me -- it took 5 minutes to find and do that - I'd still be reading man pages an hour later..... |
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| 02:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, you'll have forgotten about it in half a year... but less, you use every day so you don't forget the things |
| 02:23.26 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: I rarely use less ;) |
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| 02:24.39 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: here no, i'm rather hard on people, but it's intentional. |
| 02:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, see, that's your fault |
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| 02:26.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, heh, I was actually trying to be ambiguous there "[...] of that kind"? |
| 02:26.33 | simonrvn | heh |
| 02:26.52 | jpinx | ducks the crossfire and watches a movie while rsync'ing happily |
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| 02:30.22 | simonrvn | crossfire? where? |
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| 02:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's that commercial wine clone, isn't it? |
| 02:31.16 | lordnazgul | I'm having some trouble setting up bind on my new system. It won't start, and when issued a stop command says bad auth in the syslog. I think it is an rndc issue, but everything looks ok as far as I can tell. my config files are here http://paste.debian.net/23103/ |
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| 02:37.58 | NightStalker | Hi, When i try add new useradd.. Ubuntu say "adduser: The group `test' already exists." But.. I just want add user "test" what i need to do ? (my command is: adduser --no-create-home test) |
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| 02:38.34 | simonrvn | go to #ubuntu |
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| 02:47.36 | monchevique | does the bluray lens can be calibrated or it must be replaced? |
| 02:47.42 | jpinx | can one of you experts not set the bot to react to the word "ubuntu" with an automatic response to go to #ubuntu? |
| 02:47.46 | monchevique | when it can read DVD's |
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| 02:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the word you just used? |
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| 02:52.58 | rvalles | jpinx: why don't you ask that in #ubuntu? |
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| 02:53.25 | abrotman | jpinx: that's not the bot |
| 02:53.34 | rvalles | still |
| 02:53.36 | jpinx | rvalles: :p |
| 02:53.40 | rvalles | if it was up to me |
| 02:53.43 | rvalles | i'd make it autokick |
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| 02:53.54 | abrotman | same for people that abuse the enter key ... |
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| 02:54.13 | rvalles | abrotman: I'd make that relative to traffic... |
| 02:55.11 | jpinx | I was actually being nice - it is a genuine help for innocent victims to be told where to get help for their own distro - even if is not as good as debian |
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| 02:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's much better!!!!!!!!!!1111111111 |
| 02:57.36 | rvalles | jpinx: the only help they can get here is by switching to debian |
| 02:57.49 | jpinx | relaxes and watches an impending distro-war |
| 02:58.10 | rvalles | has a few family members with ubuntu... they're simply a pain to mantain. I wish it wasn't so popular, and debian was instead. |
| 02:58.14 | abrotman | or you could drop the entire discussion .. ubuntu is offtopic here, both support and discussion |
| 02:58.33 | rvalles | All my fault in the end. I installed those. |
| 02:58.38 | rvalles | drops it here. |
| 02:58.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | watches it drop... and break |
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| 03:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | though now nobody's talking at all |
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| 03:02.29 | abrotman | ask a debian support question! |
| 03:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, I've already made up so many ;) |
| 03:02.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | to amuse you |
| 03:03.26 | streuner | sometimes NOT :-) |
| 03:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, as things go |
| 03:03.45 | streuner | sure |
| 03:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I could tell you the fun story of the wireless usb stick, that makes s2ram fail on my laptop... freezing the system either on shutdown or on wakeup |
| 03:05.41 | streuner | must be ndiswrapper :-P |
| 03:05.58 | streuner | get a Deja Vu about that ;-) |
| 03:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 03:06.05 | streuner | hehe |
| 03:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | just regular driver, but it's pretty new in the kernel- only in 2.6.26 |
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| 03:07.51 | Artificialsynaps | so I'm looking for an application where I can take sound samples from music that is playing on my PC |
| 03:08.08 | Artificialsynaps | I've been googling but I can't quite word it right, anyone know an application like that? |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | there used to be one call vsound |
| 03:08.29 | Artificialsynaps | No more? |
| 03:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a 3com 3CRUSB10075 ... dunno, one time in the future I'll look into it |
| 03:09.06 | Artificialsynaps | Hmmm hehe |
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| 03:10.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Artificialsynaps, that wasn't addressed to you... anyways I think if you're playing a CD that kind of bypasses the CPU |
| 03:10.13 | Iradieh | Does anyone know of a good LIGHTWEIGHT PDF for XFCE4? I am using epdfviewer, the problem with that is it won't let me mark and copy text |
| 03:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | xpdf? |
| 03:10.34 | streuner | gv? |
| 03:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, eeeewwwwww |
| 03:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not say gs directly |
| 03:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | or less |
| 03:11.20 | Iradieh | gs? |
| 03:11.28 | streuner | ghostscript |
| 03:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghostscript... I was kidding |
| 03:11.46 | streuner | !info gv |
| 03:12.01 | Iradieh | ok |
| 03:12.06 | Iradieh | but xpdf is alright? |
| 03:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like it |
| 03:12.20 | dpkg | gv: (PostScript and PDF viewer for X), section text, is optional. Version: 1:3.6.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 183 kB, Installed size: 448 kB |
| 03:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about "leightweight" - but I guess everything is compared to the adobe blob |
| 03:12.53 | Iradieh | CutMeOwnThroat: It is really slow |
| 03:12.59 | streuner | which give you sometimes more headaches, sure |
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| 03:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Iradieh, xpdf? |
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| 03:13.23 | Ian_Daniher|XO | b in ab |
| 03:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | for me it's normally "just there" |
| 03:13.38 | Iradieh | CutMeOwnThroat: but |
| 03:13.42 | Iradieh | It wont let me copy text as well |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | where'd he go ? |
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| 03:13.54 | abrotman | arthe left grrr |
| 03:14.00 | abrotman | !info kluppe |
| 03:14.03 | dpkg | kluppe: (a loop-player and recorder designed for live use), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6.12-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 91 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 03:14.05 | Iradieh | Does anyone know of a good LIGHTWEIGHT PDF for XFCE4? I am using epdfviewer or Xpdf, the problem with that is it won't let me mark and copy text |
| 03:14.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Iradieh, it does... perhaps the document has restrictions on it |
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| 03:14.15 | Iradieh | CutMeOwnThroat: no, not on the mac :/ |
| 03:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | why should that be different on a mac |
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| 03:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a #debianppc, though |
| 03:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | if your problem is platform specific you might have more luck there |
| 03:17.09 | abrotman | Iradieh: it might not be actual text ... |
| 03:17.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | that too... or restricted - afaik xpdf and other honor that |
| 03:17.41 | Iradieh | abrotman: it is on the mac :/ |
| 03:17.45 | Iradieh | ehm |
| 03:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | Iradieh: that doesnt' make sense |
| 03:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo! |
| 03:17.56 | abrotman | evince ? |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | pdftotext ? |
| 03:18.01 | Iradieh | evince works! |
| 03:18.03 | Iradieh | But thats gnome :( |
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| 03:18.11 | Iradieh | installing alot of gnome libraries |
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| 03:19.04 | abrotman | you're already using xfce! |
| 03:19.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, file a bug report against xpdf? |
| 03:19.18 | Iradieh | abrotman: ? |
| 03:19.38 | somnambulant | i think he means you're not that far from gnome |
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| 03:19.46 | Iradieh | heheh =) |
| 03:19.50 | Iradieh | Well its still not a solution |
| 03:19.57 | abrotman | pdftotext! |
| 03:20.03 | Iradieh | I want a pdf viewer |
| 03:20.09 | Iradieh | Don't want an application that makes pdfs to text |
| 03:20.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said... file a bug report |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | then use evince |
| 03:20.57 | abrotman | or kpdf |
| 03:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or gpdf :) |
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| 03:21.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 03:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is "pdfcube - PDF document viewer with 3D effects" |
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| 03:22.51 | somnambulant | evince-gtk? Does that help with fewer gnome libs i wonder? |
| 03:23.03 | Iradieh | somnambulant: gonna look |
| 03:23.04 | Iradieh | somnambulant: thank you |
| 03:23.07 | Iradieh | abrotman: what DE do you use |
| 03:23.41 | abrotman | what does that matter? |
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| 03:24.10 | Iradieh | No, I was wondering |
| 03:24.15 | Iradieh | since you reacted of me using Xfce |
| 03:24.18 | somnambulant | "state of mind your honor!" |
| 03:24.22 | abrotman | no i didn't |
| 03:24.28 | Iradieh | This is actually a lightweight installation |
| 03:24.50 | Iradieh | Eclipse, build-essential, java, eclipse, xfce4, arora (iceweasel wont start), openssh and NX-server |
| 03:24.55 | Iradieh | Thats everything I got |
| 03:25.06 | abrotman | but evince is bad ? |
| 03:25.36 | somnambulant | evince is fairly light aint it? |
| 03:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 03:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | "The Eclipse Platform is an open and extensible platform for anything and yet nothing in particular." |
| 03:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | now that sounds useful |
| 03:26.37 | Iradieh | :D |
| 03:26.52 | Iradieh | it installs _ALOT_ of useless gnome stuff that I don't want |
| 03:26.59 | Iradieh | I am amazed there is no good PDFviewer for Xfce4 |
| 03:27.02 | Iradieh | Might as well make one x) |
| 03:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might as well fix xpdf and file a bug with a patch attached |
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| 03:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but sure, go ahead and reinvent the wheel, that's always fun as well |
| 03:27.56 | hikenboot | anyone know why usplash would show a blank screen with a cursor after creating a bootsplash screen from a pic? |
| 03:28.21 | Iradieh | CutMeOwnThroat: It's a nice project and I need a pdfviewer :P |
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| 03:28.56 | Sweetandy | My Debian computer cannot effectively reformat a USB drive to Fat16 to the point of completion, but my Ubuntu computer can. I'll look into this and get back to the channel. |
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| 03:31.11 | d-b | Sweetandy: mmm interesting. |
| 03:31.48 | Sweetandy | Not only that, but the error message does not say what it could not do. |
| 03:32.09 | nullboy | Sweetandy: dd /dev/zero across the stick in question and try again |
| 03:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sweetandy, what exactly did you run? |
| 03:32.45 | Sweetandy | gparted |
| 03:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 03:33.13 | abrotman | why fat16 instead of fat32 ? |
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| 03:33.13 | Sweetandy | it's what it had been before I started monkeying around |
| 03:33.17 | Sweetandy | nullboy: I'll try that |
| 03:34.01 | nullboy | the poor stick is probably corrupted now |
| 03:34.07 | nullboy | just try the dd method first |
| 03:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about mkfs.vfat -F 16 |
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| 03:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh... gparted has a gui |
| 03:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | shocking :) |
| 03:36.44 | Iradieh | Does it matter if I SCP to Ip or To Domain, I mean take a look at this |
| 03:36.45 | Iradieh | http://subby.zapto.org:3002/5F8F6/Picture_1.png |
| 03:36.45 | nullboy | that g in gparted coulda' fooled anyone ;) |
| 03:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, gparted seems to not be able to do anything to the partition on my stick |
| 03:38.17 | Sweetandy | wait... am I supposed to send the dd to the device itself or the mounted folder? |
| 03:38.21 | Sweetandy | device, right? |
| 03:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:38.34 | Sweetandy | kk |
| 03:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | be careful, there |
| 03:38.39 | Sweetandy | what? |
| 03:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't dd your harddisk :) |
| 03:39.05 | Sweetandy | definitely where it's mounted, /dev/sda. Not /dev/hda |
| 03:39.11 | nullboy | Iradieh: i'm curious, are those some sort of ebooks that you have posted on the internet, in your screen shot? |
| 03:39.23 | Iradieh | Purchased |
| 03:39.30 | nullboy | Iradieh: ebooks that, of course, you paid for...ah yes |
| 03:39.31 | nullboy | good |
| 03:39.36 | Iradieh | It's a good book |
| 03:39.47 | Iradieh | I prefer PDF, easier with bookmarks and and searching |
| 03:39.52 | nullboy | totally |
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| 03:40.13 | Iradieh | However that wasn't an answer to my question :P and I do warez alot, but not Books. |
| 03:41.12 | Sweetandy | Okay big whoops. I was writing to /dev/sda, but it was /dev/sda1, as discovered by a simple 'df'. What exactly did I write over with a whole bunch of nothing? |
| 03:41.20 | Sweetandy | 449 MB of nothing? |
| 03:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't know that you wrote "programing" just such, though |
| 03:41.41 | Iradieh | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 03:42.02 | nullboy | CutMeOwnThroat: i wasn't going to get into it |
| 03:42.05 | Iradieh | nullboy: How come you ask? You the author xD ? |
| 03:42.28 | nullboy | Iradieh: it's just would be fairly...blatant? to do that |
| 03:42.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't say anything, did I? :) |
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| 03:42.53 | nullboy | i mean really, someone taking a screenshot of an ebook title with a typo, posting it to a help channel and then claiming they bought it? |
| 03:42.59 | nullboy | amazon better check the titles.... |
| 03:43.11 | Iradieh | xD |
| 03:43.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it would, wouldn't it? |
| 03:43.17 | nullboy | such a shame to pay for media like that, with a typo and all |
| 03:43.29 | Iradieh | nullboy: hahahahHAHAH busted |
| 03:43.34 | Iradieh | I actually got the book |
| 03:43.35 | Iradieh | hold on |
| 03:43.39 | nullboy | mmhmm |
| 03:44.20 | somnambulant | why would a pirated version be more likely to have a typo? |
| 03:44.33 | d-b | somnambulant: ye be no pirate ? |
| 03:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | somnambulant, well, it specially would if you google for it with the typo and find it :) |
| 03:44.45 | nullboy | somnambulant: we were just wondering that ourselves |
| 03:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm off, have fun |
| 03:45.08 | nullboy | somnambulant: quite a peculiar little situation here, isn't it? |
| 03:45.18 | somnambulant | hmm |
| 03:45.19 | Iradieh | Not really |
| 03:45.21 | Iradieh | Io bought the book |
| 03:45.23 | Dewi | somnambulant, nullboy: um, because pirated books are often poorly OCRed and full of typos? |
| 03:45.25 | Iradieh | I am entitled to the PDF version as well :P |
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| 03:45.33 | nullboy | Dewi: well damn! |
| 03:45.36 | Iradieh | nullboy: http://subby.zapto.org:3002/B5FF8/DSC00231.JPG |
| 03:46.00 | somnambulant | Dewi: didn't think anyone would go thru all that trouble |
| 03:46.15 | nullboy | Dewi: that would appear to be the case here wouldn't it? |
| 03:46.17 | Dewi | I guess they aren't technically typos if a computer is making them |
| 03:46.22 | Dewi | since OCR software doesn't "type" |
| 03:46.22 | Iradieh | nullboy: as I sad previous I didnt feel like saying I pirated the PDF but bought the book.. It's pretty much the same. I like PDF's though and I prefer them. |
| 03:46.42 | nullboy | Iradieh: i said nothing, i know nothing. noooothin!!! |
| 03:46.48 | somnambulant | yeah i have all the cartridges too |
| 03:46.54 | Iradieh | nullboy: I think I can do that and call it a backup x) atleast in Sweden |
| 03:46.59 | Iradieh | nullboy: So it's not illegal |
| 03:47.02 | Iradieh | nullboy: I win :) |
| 03:47.05 | nullboy | Iradieh: i. know. nothing! |
| 03:47.12 | Iradieh | nullboy: huge penis shaft |
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| 03:47.35 | Sweetandy | Well you guys, you're absolute geniuses. Thanks to nullboy for suggesting the dd approach. It worked superbly. |
| 03:47.44 | magyar | hi, trying to add a ntfs mount in my fstab file, but when I do mount -a nothing happens . This is the line >> "/dev/sdc5 /home/user/windows ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 03:47.46 | nullboy | Sweetandy: np |
| 03:47.47 | Iradieh | Sweetandy: Yeah Nullboy is hot |
| 03:48.00 | nullboy | Iradieh: you found those pic too huh? |
| 03:48.02 | nullboy | damn. |
| 03:49.17 | Iradieh | nullboy: Oh yeah sexy |
| 03:49.17 | Iradieh | You're one hot mofo |
| 03:49.17 | Iradieh | oh brb laundry |
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| 03:56.22 | cmanns | Hey guys, how can I add a another static ip via ifconfig? |
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| 03:57.18 | mhymn_ | man ifconfig |
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| 03:58.12 | cmanns | or should I add it to the interfaces file? |
| 03:58.26 | abrotman | if you want it to be permanent |
| 03:58.45 | mhymn_ | then again 'man interfaces' |
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| 03:59.05 | cmanns | http://rafb.net/p/AhlKR621.html |
| 03:59.18 | cmanns | I already did man interfaces |
| 03:59.24 | cmanns | I just don't want to do it wrong... |
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| 03:59.47 | cmanns | Interface not coming back up = have to drive 2hrs to fix the server ~_~ |
| 04:00.42 | cmanns | In the rafb paste thats what I think I should add, anybody know if its correct? |
| 04:06.05 | stew | cmanns: you can't have more than one gateway in the same routing table |
| 04:06.17 | cmanns | hmm |
| 04:06.21 | stew | err more than one *default* gateway |
| 04:06.35 | cmanns | so i cant use the ip? |
| 04:06.36 | stew | if you need multiple default gateways, you need multiple routing tables: /msg dpkg split access |
| 04:06.42 | cmanns | okay |
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| 04:07.30 | stew | and there is no reason to specify 'network' or 'broadcast' unless you are doing something odd with them |
| 04:08.46 | cmanns | can't I just not specify the gateway? |
| 04:09.01 | cmanns | thats what my friend said to do when he gave me this ip he said you cant have two like you said |
| 04:09.29 | cmanns | he said do address and netmask only |
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| 04:10.08 | stew | cmanns: yes, then you'd only use that ip if you were sending traffic to the subnet containing that ip, otherwise, it goes out on the default |
| 04:10.31 | cmanns | Sounds like what I want |
| 04:11.17 | cmanns | im just trying to put up another vm for a friend but i dont want to have to configure ssh n such on different ports so i wanted to just give him his own ip |
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| 04:15.40 | cmannss | stew, guess that wasnt right lol |
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| 04:43.54 | Rock-a-Billy | hello |
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| 04:44.52 | Rock-a-Billy | i have a dell laptop with ubuntu installed 8.10. wanted to know if debian will run on the same laptop |
| 04:44.58 | Rock-a-Billy | where does one find such info ? |
| 04:45.11 | cmannss | by downloading the debian version you want and trying it out |
| 04:45.37 | Rock-a-Billy | yes i want to try and probably run fulltime. |
| 04:45.45 | cmannss | ubuntu = debian base w/abunch of shit added, ask #ubuntu what 8.10 is based off |
| 04:45.47 | Rock-a-Billy | i love ubuntu... just dont like the hand holding it does |
| 04:45.53 | d-b | Rock-a-Billy: yes it will. |
| 04:46.11 | cmannss | glad you want to leave ubuntu ^_^ |
| 04:46.25 | Rock-a-Billy | lol |
| 04:46.31 | Rock-a-Billy | don't get me wrong ubuntu is great |
| 04:46.38 | Rock-a-Billy | it just holds my hand to muhc |
| 04:46.40 | Rock-a-Billy | much* |
| 04:46.49 | d-b | Rock-a-Billy: its up to you. ubuntu is different not better / worse. you might prefer it for a desktop tho. its up to you. |
| 04:47.02 | cmannss | I wouldn't suggest ubuntu to anyone lol |
| 04:47.08 | Rock-a-Billy | lol |
| 04:47.09 | deadcat | whats this mean? Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion (ISO8859-1) \n unable to create fontset for font 'edges', exiting. |
| 04:47.09 | d-b | cmannss: mmm i would. |
| 04:47.26 | d-b | deadcat: when does that come up ? |
| 04:47.48 | Rock-a-Billy | is there a hardware compat list on debian.org ? |
| 04:48.02 | cmannss | Rock-a-Billy, just give it a try, if you can't get the graphical userface working apt-get irssi and come in here ;-) |
| 04:48.27 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 04:48.27 | dpkg | i heard hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask about <modinfo pci alias> |
| 04:48.31 | d-b | Rock-a-Billy: mmm there should be. if ubuntu works debian should. |
| 04:48.32 | Rock-a-Billy | ok sounds good. i'll have to backup my files before doin but i'll prolly give it a try tomorrow |
| 04:48.34 | cmannss | Rock-a-Billy, ubuntu = debian... it's like asking if "Hey I run fedora core blabla, can I use centos?" |
| 04:48.56 | d-b | cmannss: mmm he might need to run etch and a half tho -> newer hardware. |
| 04:49.13 | Rock-a-Billy | point taken |
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| 04:49.14 | cmannss | I ran lenny, etch has too many out dated packages for me |
| 04:49.14 | deadcat | d-b: when i run root-tail with taht font. edges |
| 04:49.17 | stoned | hey Guerin which browser do you like to use? |
| 04:49.22 | stoned | browsers/s |
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| 04:49.25 | cmannss | wait lenny's the unstable/testing right? |
| 04:49.36 | deadcat | d-b: i have xfonts-artwiz (from snapshot because its no longer available) |
| 04:49.36 | boggy | yes |
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| 04:50.12 | Rock-a-Billy | alrighty guys thanks for the quick info. good night all. |
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| 04:56.04 | hoxu | !qotd224 |
| 04:56.05 | dpkg | <gribouille> I've already read the manuals |
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| 04:57.26 | nullboy | lol |
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| 05:10.07 | TopBunny88 | How does one go about installing the mpe codecs |
| 05:11.08 | newsense | search the packagges for them |
| 05:12.57 | stoned | hey |
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| 05:26.35 | enouf | stoned: which browser do you use? :-P |
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| 05:27.22 | enouf | mpe? |
| 05:27.40 | enouf | MicroPoopExtensions? |
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| 05:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, that file says the same for me - we've both been hacked, cracked and p0wned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111234 |
| 05:29.47 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: well .. it's about time! :-p |
| 05:29.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, you could tell him how, though :) |
| 05:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... this is again via x11vnc... it's amazing how well that works... should never go to uni again |
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| 05:32.50 | enouf | cmannss: a) please don't tell people ubuntu = debian , it doesn't - thanks b) apt-get install irssi (you forgot the "install" part) - /msg dpkg screen+irssi for some sweetness ;-) |
| 05:33.09 | newsense | sorry ! |
| 05:33.25 | enouf | oh - heh |
| 05:34.23 | cmannss | Uhm, 1) debian is what ubuntu is based off of, should be the same hardware support wise. 2) I believe ubuntu uses apt-get also... either way I wasnt sayign just put apt-get irssi, what if the package wasnt only irssi? People should know apt-cache search, apt-get commands etc |
| 05:35.11 | cmannss | If he was asking for specific help I woulda gone into more details but theres no point in my view on this, he got the help he needed and looks like hes going to make the switch from cruddy ubuntu to debian, if I'm around when he does that change and he needs assistance I'd be more than glad to help. |
| 05:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmannss, debian stable is much older than ubuntu, which is based on debian-sid (which nobody suggests anyone to run here) |
| 05:39.31 | mhymn_ | debian is what ubuntu is based off of <-- SO DEBIAN != UBUNTU |
| 05:39.31 | cmannss | erm I missworded that |
| 05:39.31 | enouf | cmannss: ok - fair enough about b) ... but a) you will never win ;-) |
| 05:39.33 | cmannss | haha |
| 05:39.33 | cmannss | trust me I know debian != ubuntu |
| 05:39.33 | cmannss | I'd rather run windows than touch ubuntu ;-) |
| 05:39.34 | newsense | omg who cares they both use apt for package management and ubuntu uses the debian installer i think, but im not sure if their configuration files for programs are layed out in the same dirs |
| 05:39.34 | enouf | ok then .. that's all i was saying - some people run around willy-nilly saying it's the same, so many disappointed ubuntu users come here looking for help with *ubuntu |
| 05:39.34 | cmannss | Anyways |
| 05:39.34 | enouf | newsense: they most certainly are not |
| 05:39.34 | cmannss | I edited /etc/network(s?)/interfaces conf, I added eth1:0 n such, and when I restarted networking the server lost connection. What would cause that? |
| 05:39.34 | newsense | enouf: are not what ? |
| 05:39.35 | enouf | newsense: one major diff is ubuntu's use of upstart vs the older, still used in Debian, init.d system |
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| 05:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, which explained why I never heared of upstart, I guess |
| 05:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | heard |
| 05:40.17 | nullboy | hurd |
| 05:40.27 | cmannss | u hurrrd |
| 05:40.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | if hurd will be released before lenny? |
| 05:40.58 | enouf | although, we also have insserv (newer) and file-rc and whatever |
| 05:41.13 | enouf | judd: versions insserv |
| 05:41.15 | judd | enouf: insserv -- etch: 1.08.0-11 lenny: 1.12.0-4 sid: 1.12.0-4 |
| 05:41.33 | enouf | hrm ... it's in Etch? O_o |
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| 05:41.51 | cmannss | I put iface eth1:0 inet static, address <ip> netmask <subnet> and that'd kill the networking? |
| 05:41.55 | enouf | it's hird! |
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| 05:43.13 | cmannss | Weird |
| 05:43.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
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| 05:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hi. this |
| 05:43.26 | dpkg | methinks hi. this is my first time of getting Debian, and i have a minor question. Im downloading the unofficial version via ftp from here: ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/linux/ISO-images/debian-unofficial/hurd/ and i was wondering witch one to choose? |
| 05:43.35 | cmannss | We power cycled the servers port, it came back online :| |
| 05:44.08 | cmannss | The interfaces conf still has the changes I made but its not in ifconfig :| |
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| 05:45.09 | cmannss | Oh wow I think I put the ip address assigned to eth1 for eth1:0 |
| 05:46.30 | cmannss | wtf I put the right ip and the server pooped its self again :| |
| 05:46.44 | Iradieh | I am playing COunters-trike Source in windows XP with VmWare |
| 05:46.59 | stoned | lol |
| 05:46.59 | stoned | no I use firefox |
| 05:47.05 | stoned | Icewesel 3 |
| 05:47.16 | nullboy | cmannss: better start driving |
| 05:47.25 | cmannss | power cycled again |
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| 05:49.04 | cmannss | It goes Reconfiguring network interfaces... |
| 05:49.04 | cmannss | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.04 | Guerin | no |
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| 05:49.04 | Guerin | debian systems don't just fuck with your configs without asking |
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| 05:50.12 | cmannss | Guerin, I only asked because I didn't think I was dumb enough to put eth1's ip address for eth1:0, I put the right one and networking died again... so I don't know wth is wrong |
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| 05:51.23 | stoned | Guerin, enouf, can you test/check out http://frostedweb.com/ |
| 05:51.23 | stoned | I think I'm done with the first 2 tabs |
| 05:51.23 | stoned | unless I missed something |
| 05:51.23 | stoned | Guerin, enouf maybe in #debian-chat |
| 05:51.24 | stoned | ? |
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| 05:52.26 | enouf | fires up the bloated behemoth known as KonqOut :-p |
| 05:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | fires up the stove. |
| 05:55.05 | cmannss | This is my config, any reason it wont work? http://rafb.net/p/m8XtkN81.html |
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| 05:59.57 | cmannss | Weird |
| 05:59.58 | cmannss | I did ifconfig add eth1:0 up 208.110.66.124 netmask 255.255.255.248 |
| 06:00.21 | cmannss | I got SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested addres so I dunno why I just ran it again and now the ip works :| |
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| 06:03.30 | nullboy | cmannss: what is line 13 for? |
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| 06:03.58 | cmannss | nullboy, I dunno I didn't setup the server |
| 06:04.12 | DGnome | cmannss: drop 'add' from 'ifconfig add eth1:0 up 208.110.66.124 netmask 255.255.255.248' |
| 06:04.20 | DGnome | cmannss: and up |
| 06:04.28 | cmannss | oh maybe I did that |
| 06:04.30 | cmannss | im super tired |
| 06:04.40 | DGnome | cmannss: ifconfig device ip netmask netmask |
| 06:04.54 | cmannss | yeah I did it right DGnome |
| 06:05.04 | cmannss | http://rafb.net/p/Hz4nWY68.html see |
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| 06:05.28 | DGnome | cmannss: DROP UP |
| 06:05.35 | cmannss | oh... well it works.. |
| 06:05.51 | cmannss | as said above it worked |
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| 07:02.12 | noorul | hello |
| 07:02.47 | SystemFAILURE | noflex:: hi |
| 07:02.49 | SystemFAILURE | opz |
| 07:02.50 | SystemFAILURE | noorul:: hi |
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| 07:05.53 | scrote | do you want to Fuck with me? |
| 07:05.56 | scrote | pulls out a big knife. |
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| 07:08.44 | TopBunny88 | How does one install the iostat package |
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| 07:12.41 | Supaplex | !info iostat |
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| 07:13.50 | Supaplex | heh. what iostat package? :P |
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| 07:15.09 | mhymn_ | seems there's no such package |
| 07:15.23 | mhymn_ | judd: versions iostat |
| 07:15.24 | judd | mhymn_: iostat -- |
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| 07:18.54 | mhymn_ | aptitude install sysstat? |
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| 07:28.54 | simplechat | hey, just quick question, i had an install that had errors due to bad packages, its continuing |
| 07:28.59 | simplechat | will it netinstall those bad packages? or what? |
| 07:29.37 | SystemFAILURE | simplechat:: I had the same problem |
| 07:29.47 | simplechat | SystemFAILURE, on etch? |
| 07:29.50 | simplechat | and waht did it do? |
| 07:29.56 | simplechat | i've got a netinstall cd, i'm just wondering if i should use it |
| 07:30.24 | Supaplex | I like the mini iso, or even netboot myself. :) |
| 07:30.28 | SystemFAILURE | simplechat:: yes , with Etch :) I had to perfectly clean the disk surface (I mean the physical surface) and try again 4/5 times |
| 07:30.47 | Supaplex | break out the windex! |
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| 07:31.38 | simplechat | SystemFAILURE, i'm guessing i'll have to redo it from the netinstall cd |
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| 07:34.54 | simplechat | sigh |
| 07:34.58 | simplechat | i'm trying the netinstall cd now |
| 07:35.02 | simplechat | the other cd just plain failed |
| 07:36.06 | GhostlyDeath | I have a microphone built into my computer, I want to use it but I do not want to hear the sound it takes in |
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| 07:50.56 | thnee | can i make the program 'less' automatically scroll down when the file changes, so dont have to press End to see new writes to the file? |
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| 07:52.14 | jelly-home | thnee: F |
| 07:53.20 | jelly-home | you might want to use tail -f instead |
| 07:53.59 | thnee | right, thanks |
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| 08:04.13 | gholm | I have a windows process that needs to get files from a networked mapped drive s://folder/folder1 and I want to run that same process on Linux. How do I make Linux "read" that file address?? |
| 08:05.30 | Supaplex | create a mount for it? |
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| 08:05.40 | Supaplex | !smbfs |
| 08:05.41 | dpkg | i heard smbfs is the Server Message Block file system. Deprecated in favor of <CIFS>, smbfs is disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 08:06.33 | ham5 | my workspace switcher, when I right click and goto preerences, I dont have any options to choose how many desktops I want. Where do I change that? |
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| 08:25.07 | c0m1 | about to try 2 install flash on amd64 Lenny. But docs I googled on internet all r over 1 year old. Anything current I should know? |
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| 08:27.30 | ham5 | v10 is linux supported |
| 08:27.32 | ham5 | very easy |
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| 08:50.42 | simplechat | yo |
| 08:50.52 | ham5 | werd up |
| 08:50.56 | simplechat | nm |
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| 08:51.03 | simplechat | how do you find the version number of a package in debian? |
| 08:51.04 | wickedklown420 | add me please myspace.com/Dan0o0o0o0 |
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| 08:51.16 | simplechat | i need to see if i need to install a newer version of git-core |
| 08:51.47 | ham5 | search it in aptitude or synaptic and see what version is installed? |
| 08:51.48 | kladizkov | i need to install openssl development package ( may be named openssl-dev ), but i can't find it in my apt-get cache... |
| 08:51.58 | kladizkov | is it in any other different name? |
| 08:52.11 | ham5 | u try libssl-dev kladizkov? |
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| 08:52.54 | kladizkov | ham5: yea its working :) |
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| 08:53.39 | simplechat | ham5, more info? |
| 08:53.58 | simplechat | aptitude just says that git core is installed |
| 08:54.04 | ham5 | should say right in the coloums |
| 08:54.05 | simplechat | i'm not getting any extra info |
| 08:54.17 | simplechat | i git-core - content addresssable filesystem |
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| 08:54.18 | simplechat | nothing mroe |
| 08:54.56 | ham5 | so try synaptic |
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| 08:55.02 | simplechat | ham5, this is a headless machine |
| 08:55.33 | ham5 | 1second |
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| 08:56.05 | Supaplex | times'up |
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| 08:56.16 | ham5 | aww ok glhf then |
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| 08:57.58 | ham5 | aptitude show |
| 08:58.05 | ham5 | aptitude show git-core |
| 08:58.09 | ham5 | right in the man pages dummy |
| 08:58.14 | ham5 | ;) |
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| 08:59.57 | simplechat | ham5, thanks :) |
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| 09:00.21 | ham5 | yup np, btw... |
| 09:00.30 | ham5 | headless = no desktop? |
| 09:00.43 | ham5 | thats a new term for me |
| 09:01.56 | simplechat | ham5, yeah |
| 09:02.01 | simplechat | as in the server is in the us |
| 09:02.04 | simplechat | and i'm in australia :) |
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| 09:10.39 | AussieGuy | is selinux enabled by default? |
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| 09:11.02 | O123456789 | Hi. When I compile my own kernel image (using make-kpkg --revision 0.0.0 --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image) I get "FATAL" errors at boot time from modprobe saying modules.dep is missing. I checked, the initrd created by update-initramfs and modules.dep is really missing in it. Luckily my kernel has built-in support for many of my devices and still boots, but do you know what goes wrong ? |
| 09:11.12 | avu | AussieGuy, no |
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| 09:19.06 | Agiofws | hey |
| 09:19.43 | Agiofws | whats i better ? to follow this wiki http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp or do /msg dpkg Lamp ? |
| 09:20.33 | Agiofws | i'm going with the wiki |
| 09:20.47 | avu | they shouldn't really contradict each other? |
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| 09:24.24 | Agiofws | should they or should they not ? |
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| 09:34.54 | simplechat | avu, good :) |
| 09:35.09 | simplechat | Agiofws, its lamp, its pretty simple to set up :) |
| 09:35.35 | Agiofws | i am |
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| 09:42.29 | guyzmo | hi all |
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| 09:47.18 | enouf | O123456789: how did you install the resultant .deb? |
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| 09:51.55 | enouf | O123456789: and the initrd is generally created/installed via mkinitramfs-kpkg - oh, and did you toy with your /etc/initramfs-tools/* files? then update it? That seems an odd issue, unless perhaps you're also missing System.map maybe? (or something associated with a wrong version perhaps) |
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| 09:54.34 | enouf | otherwise, if it's spankin new debian source, i think i was following a thread concerning how MODPROBE_OPTIONS=-qb might be an issue .. but i forget - checked the BTS yet? |
| 09:55.15 | enouf | guyzmo: your /var FS is fixed ;-) |
| 09:55.54 | guyzmo | enouf - yup :) |
| 09:55.57 | O123456789 | enouf, I installed with "dpkg -i linux-image....deb" |
| 09:56.08 | guyzmo | enouf - damn crashing journals :) |
| 09:56.37 | O123456789 | and I didn't play with initramfs config. |
| 09:56.38 | guyzmo | but we pwned the damn FS :p |
| 09:57.06 | enouf | O123456789: did you use debian sources? or vanilla? |
| 09:57.14 | enouf | guyzmo: heh |
| 09:59.15 | O123456789 | enouf: debian sources for 2.6.26 (I had the same issue befaore and after yesterday upgrade) |
| 09:59.22 | enouf | O123456789: does the proper System.map exist in /boot? |
| 09:59.37 | O123456789 | enouf: yes |
| 09:59.56 | guyzmo | enouf - anyway, we're glad it was that stupid and not some fscking script kiddy trying to break things |
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| 10:00.01 | enouf | O123456789: is this arch i386? |
| 10:00.16 | enouf | guyzmo: righto ... yep |
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| 10:03.19 | O123456789 | enouf: yes, but I compile my kernel to use "CONFIG_MCORE2=y". |
| 10:03.43 | enouf | O123456789: since you can boot the kernel (and even if you couldn't), see if running update-initramfs -u -k linux-image-YOURKERNEL does anything - likewise, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-YOURKERNEL |
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| 10:04.29 | enouf | O123456789: what is the CPU? |
| 10:04.38 | enouf | and that shouldn't matter anyway |
| 10:05.59 | O123456789 | enouf: "model name: Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2130 @ 1.86GHz" |
| 10:06.15 | enouf | O123456789: i have no "modules.dep" in my .26-1-686 initrd |
| 10:06.48 | O123456789 | enouf: So where do those FATAL alter come from ? |
| 10:06.53 | enouf | O123456789: isn;t that a CoreDuo only? earlier generation than the Core2Duo? |
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| 10:07.25 | enouf | O123456789: no idea .. yet - are they in dmesg? or kern.log? when exactly do they occur? |
| 10:07.37 | O123456789 | enouf: update-initramfs creates or updates my initrd.img but it does not add a modules.dep (you say this is the same for you) |
| 10:08.09 | cmannss | Whats Link encap:UNSPEC mean? |
| 10:08.14 | enouf | O123456789: right - ignore that update-initramfs for now - since i then checked my initrd - however .. |
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| 10:09.15 | O123456789 | They occur just after grub. And I cannot find them in dmesg nor kern.log |
| 10:09.57 | O123456789 | These are alarts form modprobe, I do not know where to look for them. |
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| 10:11.17 | O123456789 | enouf: this is not a big annoyance but while googling I found people with the smae problem who said the altert disapeared after switching from mkinitrd to initramfs-tools. |
| 10:11.22 | enouf | well - your CPU is dual core .. but not core2duo? WTF? http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9VZ |
| 10:11.38 | simplechat | is there any easy way to killall things? |
| 10:11.39 | enouf | O123456789: try enabling bootlogd |
| 10:11.43 | simplechat | the killall package doesn't exist |
| 10:11.53 | enouf | simplechat: pkill |
| 10:11.58 | simplechat | enouf, k |
| 10:12.10 | simplechat | can't find package pkill |
| 10:12.13 | simplechat | i'm on etch |
| 10:12.21 | enouf | simplechat: and killall is in |
| 10:12.23 | enouf | psmisc: /usr/bin/killall |
| 10:12.47 | simplechat | enouf, i'm looking for the package |
| 10:12.47 | O123456789 | enouf: my CPU is not Core 2, but still uses this option (found in the kernel doc since it is like "newer xeon" as far as I understood) |
| 10:12.49 | enouf | procps: /usr/bin/pkill |
| 10:12.58 | enouf | !tell simplechat -about search |
| 10:13.19 | simplechat | aptitude search ? |
| 10:13.24 | epsilon | DualCore is the 2 core stuff between P4/P4-Hyperthreading and C2D |
| 10:13.25 | enouf | O123456789: what does /proc/cpuinfo say about the stepping |
| 10:13.34 | simplechat | aptitude search killall gives nothing enouf |
| 10:13.35 | enouf | simplechat: no - read the factoid |
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| 10:15.28 | O123456789 | enouf: stepping: 12 |
| 10:15.38 | O123456789 | enouf: and it works well. |
| 10:15.39 | enouf | O123456789: i mean, heck, do you think that by choosing a diff processortype option you would not receive the FATAL errors about modules.dep ? |
| 10:16.04 | enouf | O123456789: what? you weren't using mkinitrd |
| 10:16.04 | simplechat | enouf, thanks :D |
| 10:16.23 | O123456789 | enouf: I did not try ... Since I do not have alterts with debian pre-compiled kernel, I'll check this. |
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| 10:16.51 | enouf | O123456789: a) that's not a Xeon CPU afaik - and b) the stepping is wrong to set the MCORE2 |
| 10:17.50 | enouf | O123456789: i guess i should ask - what is your build env? Etch or newer? |
| 10:18.04 | enouf | (since you brought up the older mkinitrd) |
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| 10:18.38 | O123456789 | enouf: " Select this for Intel Core 2 and newer Core 2 Xeons [...] Newer ones have 6 and older ones 15 (not a typo)" |
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| 10:18.55 | O123456789 | enouf: "cpu family: 6" |
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| 10:19.01 | pandrew | hello! does anyone know any open source tool for createing fir filters? |
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| 10:19.22 | User1 | hi, how do I update/upgrade a single package in Debian? |
| 10:19.29 | O123456789 | enouf: I'm using lenny (with no sid inside) and it is a quite recent install. |
| 10:19.37 | themill | !wayttd User1 |
| 10:19.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, User1? |
| 10:19.45 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core fwiw |
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| 10:19.59 | enouf | ok O123456789 |
| 10:20.21 | Iradieh | excuse me in Terminal there is a way to run a command when a new terminal window opens. Is there a way to add a second command as well? |
| 10:20.27 | Iradieh | I tried && and ; |
| 10:20.29 | Iradieh | Both didn't work |
| 10:20.30 | User1 | I need to update Openssl |
| 10:20.51 | enouf | O123456789: i jumped the gun, i wanted family and yet i asked for stepping, my bad - however, that is still not a Xeon ;-) |
| 10:21.23 | themill | User1: why? That's a pretty non-trivial bit of the system to change. |
| 10:22.05 | enouf | O123456789: i don't know what's wrong - (i'd be guessing quite a bit) - perhaps email the debian-kernel mailing list |
| 10:22.39 | User1 | I need to make sure I'm using the version of OpenSSL that fixed the huge security bug recently. I have "OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007" and I guess this one dont have the security patch |
| 10:22.56 | O123456789 | enouf: I will retry with bootlogd enables, maybe I will see more info. |
| 10:23.24 | O123456789 | enouf: do you think I should try with another processor family ? |
| 10:23.49 | themill | User1: which security patch? Remember that Debian backports security fixes so you can't just look at the version number. Tell us a CVE number for the vuln you are worried about and/or /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 10:24.05 | User1 | ok, one sec |
| 10:24.18 | enouf | O123456789: i don't think that'll really matter - especially concerning your errors - you do have a Dual Core CPU ;-) |
| 10:24.54 | enouf | O123456789: but wtf do i know :-P (i doubt it's related though) |
| 10:25.14 | O123456789 | enouf: OK thanks. If I find a way to avoid the alerts, I will send info to debian kernel list. |
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| 10:25.34 | enouf | np |
| 10:26.24 | enouf | IIRC, Feb 2007 was just around the time of DSAxxxx |
| 10:26.37 | User1 | themill: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-0166 |
| 10:26.58 | enouf | debian.org/security |
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| 10:28.24 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 10:28.44 | enouf | ahh http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 10:29.06 | cousin_luigi | I have a package hold to a specific version, but I remember a way to force it without having apt tell me about it at every update |
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| 10:29.38 | AYI | hey |
| 10:29.41 | AYI | !paste |
| 10:29.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 10:29.47 | User1 | themill: Is my OpenSSL up to date? (I'm running Debian 4 stable) |
| 10:29.59 | darius12 | is there a tool that will auto-install the build dependencies of a package from the .dsc? |
| 10:30.18 | darius12 | this would be useful for backporting |
| 10:30.30 | enouf | seems http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 and http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1576 are applicable |
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| 10:31.08 | enouf | May 2008 .. comes after Feb 2007 :-P |
| 10:31.39 | User1 | yeah |
| 10:31.55 | enouf | User1: /msg dpkg security |
| 10:32.00 | User1 | So I need to update, but how, if I only want to update OpenSSL |
| 10:32.24 | enouf | if you've been using security.debian.org and up to date - you'd be covered |
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| 10:33.28 | d-b | darius12: ... ... mmm like apt-get build-dep ... |
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| 10:34.04 | enouf | !tell User1 -about dsa1576 |
| 10:34.06 | enouf | !tell User1 -about dsa1571 |
| 10:34.11 | User1 | yeah I have that in sources.list but I don't want to run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" because it's on a production system |
| 10:34.40 | d-b | User1: right. so test it first on a non-production system. |
| 10:34.47 | enouf | better rethink that strategy... |
| 10:35.16 | d-b | but you will need to reboot if you have not patched ssl from ages back. (that is the recommened route) |
| 10:35.22 | d-b | i believe |
| 10:35.36 | User1 | ok |
| 10:35.59 | d-b | User1: can't you mirror / put up another server to take the production boxes place while it is being patched ? |
| 10:36.08 | enouf | cousin_luigi: /msg dpkg equivs ? .. or mark it auto installed instead of manual? |
| 10:36.25 | User1 | no, cant do that at the moment unfortunately :( |
| 10:36.41 | enouf | cousin_luigi: i don;t mess with that auto manual nonsense - everything is manual as far as i'm concerned ;-) |
| 10:37.00 | cousin_luigi | enouf: I did it in the past and it was working as intended |
| 10:37.07 | d-b | User1: well i recommend you see what needs to be updates and then assess the situation - you might want to schedule down time based upon the updates that are pending. |
| 10:37.15 | cousin_luigi | then I lost my system disk, but that's another story:) |
| 10:37.45 | cousin_luigi | I'm just not sure it was equivs |
| 10:38.04 | enouf | darius12: tried apt-build? |
| 10:38.27 | enouf | darius12: not sure though - and .. i guess build-dep won't suffice? |
| 10:39.04 | enouf | !hold |
| 10:39.04 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 10:39.20 | User1 | d-b: yeah, but it would be nice if I could choose just to update OpenSSL (and dependencies if neccessary) |
| 10:39.43 | enouf | User1: you should be able to - i did it :-) |
| 10:40.06 | darius12 | enouf: I haven't tried apt-build yet. Getting dependencies from apt is wrong because it looks at the version that is in the archive |
| 10:40.09 | enouf | i recall something about a libssl0.9.x or something |
| 10:40.17 | darius12 | not the version you are trying to build :) |
| 10:40.23 | User1 | enouf: ok :) can you describe how? Or point me somewhere where it's described |
| 10:40.36 | enouf | follow the factoids |
| 10:40.37 | darius12 | so in case of a backport there are usually some extra deps |
| 10:40.44 | d-b | User1: if your openssl is vulnerable, as per the big flaw from earlier this year, you will most definately need downtime. so i would upgrade everything if that is the case. you should check which version you have installed and if it is vulnerable. |
| 10:41.04 | enouf | darius12: aye - point - but all you need to do is read the file :-) |
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| 10:41.40 | darius12 | yes, I 'm not saying this is life and death, just convenience :) |
| 10:41.51 | enouf | darius12: i mean you could even script it (grep the Depends into a list you feed) |
| 10:42.22 | User1 | d-b: I have version "OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007", from the version number I cant see if it needs updating (though "e" is later than "c" I would guess") but Feb 2007 is older than the patch date, so |
| 10:42.23 | darius12 | I don't know if grep will do, but scripting is what I 'll do, just looked for an 'official' solution first :) |
| 10:42.25 | enouf | darius12: not sure - but there are all sorts of goodies in the devscripts pkg ;-) |
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| 10:43.17 | enouf | darius12: or find the people who backport for backports.org and ask them ;-) try /msg dpkg nmg |
| 10:43.51 | darius12 | enouf: thanks a lot :-) |
| 10:45.58 | darius12 | I think I 'll look @ how pbuilder does it :) |
| 10:46.35 | enouf | darius12: hrm man dpkg-genbuilddeps ? |
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| 10:47.16 | darius12 | enouf: this solves a different problem |
| 10:48.11 | enouf | we aim to please - no matter how convolutedly or incorrectly :-P |
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| 10:48.54 | darius12 | I have no complaints :) |
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| 10:49.47 | enouf | darius12: ahh man dpkg-source |
| 10:51.15 | darius12 | pbuilder does a really sneaky trick :-) |
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| 10:51.38 | enouf | ooo .. :-) |
| 10:51.42 | darius12 | it creates a dummy package which is in turn used to actually satisfy the dependencies through apt |
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| 10:52.02 | enouf | !metapackage |
| 10:52.02 | dpkg | metapackage is probably a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 10:52.51 | darius12 | yep, but I called it dummy because it is only used temporarily and discarded afterwards |
| 10:53.16 | enouf | build-essential is another useful example of one |
| 10:53.49 | Supaplex | not so much thrown away |
| 10:54.06 | enouf | slowly laid to rest? |
| 10:54.34 | enouf | retired from service without extreme prejudice? |
| 10:54.59 | darius12 | lol |
| 10:55.04 | enouf | better to burn out, than to fade away? oh wait - that's inverted :-P |
| 11:01.50 | chfwiggu1 | which progs give me print preview/manipulation for cups? tia |
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| 11:22.09 | enouf | chfwiggu1: since nobody replied, i can only suggest to do /msg dpkg search |
| 11:22.31 | enouf | and google ;-) |
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| 11:25.01 | cousin_luigi | thanks everybody |
| 11:25.02 | cousin_luigi | bye! |
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| 11:38.37 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 11:49.26 | funky | 'lo people |
| 11:49.27 | funky | LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /home/funky/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [/home/funky/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32] |
| 11:49.40 | funky | I get this since I upgraded the flash plugin |
| 11:49.57 | funky | I still have the nspluginwrapper installed |
| 11:50.28 | funky | but I read that there is already a native version for x86_64 |
| 11:51.27 | funky | mm, i lack of some libs for that plugin |
| 11:52.12 | luckz | I just added etch-backports to my apt. is there a way to have it a) show me packages I can get newer versions of, b) tell it to automatically get the highest version of a specific package, regardless of whether that's in etch or etch-backports? |
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| 11:55.09 | funky | funky@skunk ~/.mozilla/plugins $ ldd /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |grep "not found" |wc -l |
| 11:55.12 | funky | 6 |
| 11:55.15 | funky | but I got all those libs installed |
| 11:55.27 | funky | any ideas? |
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| 11:56.18 | mhymn_ | luckz: a) run aptitude > new packages... b) afaik bpo's pkg's are newer than the etch one so... |
| 11:56.38 | luckz | 'bpo'? |
| 11:56.46 | mhymn_ | backports |
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| 12:06.20 | Coke | Should I report a bug for this? http://pastebin.ca/1279582 |
| 12:06.28 | Coke | I'm getting mighty tired of that pycentral BS. |
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| 12:06.48 | themill | luckz: "aptitude -t etch-backports -s dist-upgrade" or look at apt-show-versions or /msg dpkg list repositories |
| 12:07.33 | themill | Coke: etch? lenny? |
| 12:07.42 | Coke | themill: testing. but I spotted the problem. |
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| 12:07.57 | Coke | themill: aside from adding extra useless code, pycentral also breaks a lot of other common Python setups |
| 12:08.03 | fasta | Is there a package that contains a C interpreter? E.g. CInt? |
| 12:08.47 | Coke | Is there any way to install Python2.5 on Debian WITHOUT pycentral? |
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| 12:09.09 | piotrek0086 | hi |
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| 12:09.54 | Coke | themill: I didn't spot the problem. |
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| 12:10.21 | piotrek0086 | how to disable printk-times? |
| 12:11.41 | Coke | Holy CRAP CRAP |
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| 12:14.48 | Coke | Phew! |
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| 12:15.02 | Coke | Only after editing /usr/bin/pycentral was apt able to remove trac |
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| 12:16.22 | sMoKeDoG|Jnr | hmm |
| 12:16.53 | Shital | %C4Can Any one suggest me where i can download some simple Networking projects for Linux?? |
| 12:17.13 | Coke | Shital: what is "simple networking projects"? |
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| 12:20.16 | luckz | oh dear. but thanks,themill. that's just what I was looking for. that'd just break my system beyond measure though, due to virtualmin and all. |
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| 12:21.51 | luckz | and apt-show-versions with | grep upgrade also is fine, yeah. |
| 12:22.28 | RichiH | http://debian.org |
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| 12:23.27 | piotrek0086 | how to disable printk-times? |
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| 12:24.56 | nwoal | or fullscreen slideshow creator |
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| 12:25.36 | nwoal | where are all the dumbianers? |
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| 12:26.20 | nwoal | should be 8 in the morning in the east coast. |
| 12:26.29 | Trollinator | I have added this repository to my sources.list: http://bozo3k.free.fr/debian/cdemu/ |
| 12:26.46 | nwoal | what use is it to the rest of us? |
| 12:27.00 | Trollinator | it contains a kernel module's source which i am supposed to be able to install with module-assistant. |
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| 12:27.10 | Trollinator | but it doesn't show up in m-a's list of kernel modules |
| 12:27.13 | nwoal | who cares, besides you? |
| 12:27.41 | BleSS | how to know of where is a file? its package name |
| 12:27.43 | Trollinator | nwoal: i thought this were a debian support channel. If you don't want to help me, just be quiet, OK? |
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| 12:28.12 | nwoal | with a nick like yours, everyone would think you are a troll. |
| 12:28.13 | Trollinator | I have run aptitude update and m-a update |
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| 12:28.53 | Trollinator | people might think i am a troll, but they *know* you are. i guess i'm better off. |
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| 12:29.15 | nwoal | you are a troll alright. |
| 12:29.55 | Trollinator | you're free to think so... i'm just looking for support here. |
| 12:30.16 | bolt-work | BleSS: are you looking for dpkg -L <pkgname> ? |
| 12:30.31 | BleSS | bolt-work: I think that so |
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| 12:31.27 | bolt-work | Trollinator: we can't help you with third party repositories, unless someone accidentally happens to have experience with that particular one. try asking whoever put it up. |
| 12:31.52 | BleSS | bolt-work: I's whith a -S , thanks anyway |
| 12:32.06 | Trollinator | bolt-work: how is this m-a stuff supposed to work anyway? |
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| 12:32.41 | Trollinator | i. e. how does m-a know which packages contain a kernel module's source and which don't? |
| 12:33.24 | bolt-work | Trollinator: not entirely sure. try the manual |
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| 12:37.28 | funyun | anybody know when abrotman is usually online? |
| 12:37.40 | bolt-work | !stats |
| 12:37.41 | dpkg | Since Mon Nov 10 21:12:13 2008, there have been 96 modifications, 5614 questions, 1173 dunnos, 16 morons and 1615 commands. I have been awake for 27d 15h 25m 27s this session, and currently reference 38543 factoids. I'm using about 17368 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2035.37/113.46 child 0/0 |
| 12:38.03 | bolt-work | hm.. where's that stats thingy for #debian |
| 12:38.14 | bolt-work | think that might show when he's online :) |
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| 12:39.41 | BleSS | which is the command used to debug that gets calls to libraries? |
| 12:39.43 | themill | !#debian stats |
| 12:39.44 | dpkg | well, #debian stats is http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 12:40.00 | themill | BleSS: strace |
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| 12:40.37 | bolt-work | funyun: check what dpkg said. might be there |
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| 12:41.58 | funyun | yup, thanks |
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| 12:43.16 | simplechat | anyone have any gitosis issues with debian etch? |
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| 12:45.50 | luckz | I run etch, and I'd like to just get irssi-scripts from lenny - is there any way of doing that without adding all of lenny to my package list? |
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| 12:48.15 | BleSS | themill: thanks |
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| 12:53.34 | mhymn_ | luckz: pinning? |
| 12:54.43 | luckz | sorry, to my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:59.57 | mhymn_ | packages.debian.org ? |
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| 13:04.01 | janis | hi there!! I just debootstrapped a system and when chrooting and apt-getting some files, it warns me about untrusted versions. debian-keyring is installed. the flavour is lenny |
| 13:04.17 | janis | How do I avoid this warning? |
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| 13:08.02 | janis | I fixed it. It simply needed an update |
| 13:08.51 | valdyn | luckz: have you looked at backports.org? |
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| 13:09.47 | valdyn | !info irssi-scripts etch |
| 13:09.50 | valdyn | !info irssi-scripts lenny |
| 13:10.09 | mhymn_ | valdyn: try judd |
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| 13:10.20 | dpkg | irssi-scripts: (collection of scripts for irssi), section net, is optional. Version: 20061009 (etch), Packaged size: 665 kB, Installed size: 3504 kB |
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| 13:10.50 | valdyn | !depends irssi-scripts |
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| 13:11.12 | dpkg | irssi-scripts: depends on irssi | irssi-text |
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| 13:29.08 | RichiH | is there a good site where i can manage todo lists? or a tool that will let me do that? |
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| 13:30.44 | O123456789 | enouf: Remeber my modules.dep problem ? |
| 13:31.10 | xoz | points RichiH to google |
| 13:31.33 | O123456789 | enouf: I manually added modules.dep to my initrd and I don't see any alert anymore at startup. |
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| 13:32.29 | O123456789 | But I have not found any information on what causes suach alerts, and bootlogd didn't catch teh alerts. |
| 13:33.04 | O123456789 | They appear too ealry in the boot process. |
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| 13:39.19 | Piper69 | FATAL: Error inserting cx18 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-bpo.1-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx18/cx18.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 13:40.06 | Piper69 | how can i delete this mod completely please |
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| 13:41.38 | superjet_busy | when make a deb, debian/foo.install must be `debian/tmp/usr` like things? |
| 13:42.34 | Piper69 | how can i uninstall a module please |
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| 13:43.19 | superjet_busy | Piper69: just make new one |
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| 13:44.02 | Piper69 | superjet_busy: and it will ovride, but what if i want to wipe it |
| 13:44.37 | superjet_busy | Piper69: blacklist it or remove the ko |
| 13:44.57 | mlLK | is it recommended to setup raid with mobo's software or linux |
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| 13:45.01 | reto_ | hi, my update-grub returns 1, but no error message.. how do I find out what went wrong |
| 13:45.12 | Piper69 | superjet_busy: can you show me how to do both please |
| 13:45.40 | mlLK | my motherboard includes drivers for raiding w/ linux but doesn't linux provide something along similar lines |
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| 13:46.11 | mlLK | i'm wondering what the simplest solution will be for someone that has only ever setup raid w/ windows =/ |
| 13:46.54 | superjet_busy | Piper69: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist or rm /lib/modules/`uname -r`.../foo.ko? |
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| 13:47.15 | mimcpher | mlLK, this is probably "soft raid". Linux has built in software raid that you can use. |
| 13:47.38 | nwoal | hi, any slideshow creator for debian? |
| 13:47.46 | mlLK | mimcpher: should i take advantage of my motherboard's drivers tho? |
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| 13:49.02 | mimcpher | mlLK, you probably can't. Linux software raid, however, is often on the same order of performance, and sometimes even faster. I wouldn't keep up at night worrying about it. |
| 13:49.09 | mlLK | k |
| 13:49.17 | mlLK | that's all i need to know |
| 13:49.20 | mlLK | ;) |
| 13:49.28 | mlLK | it is an asus board tho |
| 13:49.36 | mlLK | but i'll put money on linux |
| 13:49.45 | kblin | most motherboards load off the processing of the raid logic to the cpu anyway :) |
| 13:49.54 | kblin | at least the cheaper ones |
| 13:50.13 | mlLK | the board is a bit outdated but i still makes me proud |
| 13:50.19 | mlLK | A8N32-SLI |
| 13:50.29 | kblin | if you need to install a driver, then it's probably a software-based raid |
| 13:50.40 | mlLK | i've read that raid is merely software |
| 13:50.59 | mlLK | but from using windows for so long |
| 13:51.03 | mlLK | i never knew |
| 13:51.30 | mimcpher | A decent hardware RAID controller is fairly expensive. |
| 13:51.43 | kblin | anyway, what mimcpher said, linux software raid is pretty good |
| 13:51.45 | mimcpher | I've never seen one built into a desktop-class motherboard. |
| 13:51.46 | mlLK | as in for specific servers? |
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| 13:52.09 | peteweez | Can anyone possibly tell me what the "failed to load module 'DRI'" error means? |
| 13:52.18 | peteweez | (in X server output) |
| 13:52.26 | edeca | peteweez: Your X server can't load the DRI module, weirdly ;) |
| 13:52.28 | mlLK | i mean it's no server board, but i have plenty of hd space that i figure i might as well install raid |
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| 13:52.50 | peteweez | edeca: haha |
| 13:53.05 | peteweez | edeca: Let me rephrase...I am an idiot and do not know what DRI means. |
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| 13:53.20 | kblin | mlLK: yeah, use the software raid then |
| 13:53.21 | mlLK | is it recommended that if i wanna do raid-5 that i use 4 hds |
| 13:53.30 | edeca | I'm building a package but I need to remove a file from the 'make install' output before the package is built, how can I do that? |
| 13:53.34 | edeca | peteweez: It's direct rendering |
| 13:53.40 | peteweez | edeca: (Which probably means I shouldn't be screwing with compiling fglrx from source, but it's all that works on my system other than vesa.) |
| 13:53.45 | edeca | peteweez: Do you have a graphics card which is supported by xorg? |
| 13:53.51 | mlLK | i have two identical 320s and one 74 and one 250 |
| 13:54.01 | edeca | peteweez: Hrm, I don't know if the fglrx libraries support DRI anyhow |
| 13:54.15 | peteweez | edeca: sorta...I have a graphics card which is theoretically supported by radeonhd but is known not to work with that driver |
| 13:54.21 | Piper69 | superjet_busy: my .ko is not where it is saying it should be at??? could that be my problem |
| 13:54.30 | peteweez | supposedly, if I rip out 2 GB of my 4 GB of ram, it will work |
| 13:54.38 | peteweez | but I don't feel like screwing with laptop innards |
| 13:54.38 | kblin | mlLK: well, how much disk space are you prepared to lose for how much security? |
| 13:54.54 | peteweez | can I disable |
| 13:54.56 | peteweez | DRI? |
| 13:55.00 | mlLK | security isn't my priority |
| 13:55.07 | edeca | peteweez: Sure, I think it's just a load module line in the X config |
| 13:55.13 | peteweez | oh! |
| 13:55.16 | peteweez | lol thanks |
| 13:55.21 | kblin | mlLK: what do you want from that raid? |
| 13:55.21 | peteweez | n00b moment |
| 13:55.28 | mlLK | backups |
| 13:55.29 | edeca | peteweez: It's a performance enhancer, not a necessity |
| 13:55.30 | mlLK | performance |
| 13:55.30 | superjet_busy | Piper69: find or locate, if can't find it then you need run depmod maybe |
| 13:55.37 | mlLK | something to learn from |
| 13:55.41 | fluxdude | does debian have an automated installation method similar to Redhat's KickStart? |
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| 13:55.59 | peteweez | edeca: my CPU (or CPUs to be correct) are powerful enough that I have nice performance from vesa alone, so I'm not worried |
| 13:56.12 | mlLK | by security do you mean, backups? |
| 13:56.23 | kblin | mlLK: then I'd recommend you get a good raid howto and start reading up on the trade-offs for the different raid levels |
| 13:56.25 | edeca | peteweez: Cool |
| 13:56.38 | mlLK | kblin: i know the basics |
| 13:56.41 | peteweez | edeca: or does no DRI mean no acceleration whatsoever? |
| 13:56.51 | edeca | peteweez: I don't know 100% |
| 13:57.07 | mlLK | kblin: i've just read that raid-5 has come to trump 1 and 0 |
| 13:57.11 | peteweez | not in my xorg.conf anyway |
| 13:57.14 | peteweez | so that won't work |
| 13:57.26 | mlLK | given how tolerant it is if a hd fails |
| 13:57.53 | peteweez | I have heard that some fglrx installers overwrite libdri.so somewhere with a proprietary version that doesn't work. Could I reinstall a package to correct that? |
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| 13:58.21 | kblin | sure |
| 13:58.36 | GhostlyDeath | How can I make it so my rc.local script doesn't stop executing when there's an error on any command? |
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| 13:59.05 | kblin | you could run a 3-disk raid5 and keep a hot (or cold) spare |
| 13:59.16 | mlLK | kblin: I basically i wanna familiarize my backup and recovery procedures |
| 13:59.38 | jelly | GhostlyDeath: remove "set -e" from it |
| 13:59.41 | kblin | well, raid doesn't do backups as such |
| 13:59.47 | RichiH | hrmpf, all web-based todo lists seem to be too stupid to create to-do lists with subtasks |
| 14:00.06 | mlLK | kblin: but it'll see those 3 disks as one fs? |
| 14:00.18 | GhostlyDeath | jelly: thanks |
| 14:00.35 | kblin | mlLK: yeah, but you're limited by the size of the smallest drive |
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| 14:00.52 | mlLK | kblin: so run the 74 independent from the rest |
| 14:01.18 | kblin | yeah |
| 14:01.34 | mlLK | i mean, i need to do some more research but what happens to all the excess space |
| 14:01.39 | kblin | but I have to admit that I'm not into system administration too much |
| 14:01.45 | mlLK | when you're dealing with such a difference |
| 14:01.46 | mlLK | lol k |
| 14:01.53 | mlLK | sorry i'm firing away at you |
| 14:02.10 | kblin | that's why I said "get a good howto" |
| 14:02.14 | mlLK | sure |
| 14:02.25 | kblin | but I seem to remember that you can do partition-wise raid with linux |
| 14:02.33 | peteweez | Hmmm...I don't believe that no DRI is the problem, because that error message comes up even when using vesa, which works. But when I try to use fgrlx, I just get a blank screen and have to ALT-F1 back to the command line. |
| 14:02.53 | Piper69 | how can i update grub list |
| 14:03.04 | mlLK | i'll lurk more, i had some pretty interesting conversations w/ debian on raiding |
| 14:03.10 | Piper69 | to load a specific kernel please |
| 14:03.27 | kblin | so you could basically do one raid "disk" that's raid5 of the 250gig drive and a 250gig partition on the 320 gig drives |
| 14:03.28 | mlLK | just wanna make sure i do it right the first time |
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| 14:04.04 | mlLK | so i lose 140 gigs? |
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| 14:04.17 | GhostlyDeath | jelly: Is it possible to make it execute on boot and before every other script (has to be done before everything)? |
| 14:04.18 | kblin | then you've got two 70 gig partitions left you could stripe or mirror, depending what you feel like doing |
| 14:04.23 | mlLK | oh ok |
| 14:04.34 | mlLK | k thanks |
| 14:04.37 | mlLK | i'm done bothering you |
| 14:04.40 | kblin | :) |
| 14:04.54 | peteweez | OK, would anyone be willing to look at a pastebin of my xorg.log and tell me what went wrong...why vesa drivers initialize but fglrx won't? |
| 14:05.04 | meme | Hi. I just installed debian through debootstrap (had to). Installed a linux-image, did a grub-install from outside the chroot. ran update-grub inside the chroot but got no menu.lst. what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:05.30 | meme | update-grub just prints that it found my grub directory in /boot/grub |
| 14:05.50 | meme | (and I'm talking about lenny) |
| 14:05.59 | stew | meme: did you install a kernel? |
| 14:06.06 | meme | stew: yes. |
| 14:06.16 | meme | stew: the vmlinuz/System.map is in /boot |
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| 14:06.23 | meme | stew: symlinks in / exist as well |
| 14:06.44 | meme | stew: (I installed a linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem) |
| 14:07.03 | peteweez | OK thanks for your help guys...I'll come back later but I have to go to class now. |
| 14:07.05 | mimcpher | meme, do you have a /boot/grub/default? |
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| 14:07.20 | meme | mimcpher: yes |
| 14:08.16 | meme | mimcpher: I did not touch the file either. aside from many empty commented out lines and a commented out warning, it just contains the line 'default' |
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| 14:09.50 | meme | (/proc and /sys are also mounted in the chroot) |
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| 14:11.32 | Piper69 | how to edit menu.lst to make a specific kernel the default please |
| 14:12.04 | meme | Piper69: grub-set-default |
| 14:12.07 | mhymn_ | Piper69: read menu.lst itself! |
| 14:12.41 | meme | noone anymore ideas about what I could be doing wrong? :( |
| 14:12.43 | Piper69 | mhymn_: i am but i am a little confused |
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| 14:13.07 | Piper69 | meme: how does that command specify which kernel |
| 14:13.32 | meme | Piper69: have you read the manpage? |
| 14:13.36 | Ace2016 | Can someone please tell me if there is a way to get a big partition that can span multiple drives? but so that if the drives are used separately i can still use it like a normal drive? as if 5 drives have been mounted at the same point and the OS just picks a drive to add each file to, if there isn't enough space to put the whole file on a certain drive it then picks a different drive. And the system can be separated to individual |
| 14:13.38 | Ace2016 | drives with only some of the files |
| 14:14.08 | Ace2016 | Is it possible? i really want something like this, i hate the idea of running out of hard drive space, it makes me nervous that i can't just increase the space :( |
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| 14:14.20 | Ace2016 | i have like 5GB left and it feels very claustrophobic |
| 14:14.26 | mimcpher | Ace2016, you can only have one or the other. |
| 14:14.41 | mimcpher | Either you get a big glob of space, or you can use them seperately. |
| 14:15.10 | mimcpher | The closest you can get is mounting multiple drives together, and having one selected as the "write-to" drive |
| 14:15.15 | Ace2016 | not a big expanding blob of space? |
| 14:15.28 | mimcpher | Wait, update on what I just said. |
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| 14:15.54 | mimcpher | From what I can understand, Aufs supports write balancing across drives. |
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| 14:16.16 | meme | hm, I purged grub and reinstalled it - nothing. I mounted /dev/pts because apt complained about that (allthough it's just about logs) - nothing |
| 14:16.38 | AussieGuy | whats a command that will launch a process under a completely different UID, and change to that users home dir variables etc? |
| 14:16.42 | Ace2016 | mimcpher: ok i'll read up on it |
| 14:16.46 | AussieGuy | sudo seems to keep the origional home directory variable |
| 14:17.08 | Ace2016 | is there a wishlist for btfs? |
| 14:17.19 | meme | update-grub just stops after it printed that it found a grub directory in /boot/grub. normally, it would print about looking for the 'default' file next.. |
| 14:17.28 | meme | I'll try stracing.. |
| 14:17.39 | mimcpher | AussieGuy, su - user -c command |
| 14:17.46 | Piper69 | meme: i just read the man and i must 've missed where it talks about making a specific kernel to boot |
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| 14:18.07 | meme | Piper69: 'entry' |
| 14:18.49 | mimcpher | AussieGuy, you can also use the -i or -H flags to sudo, check the man page. |
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| 14:19.24 | cousin_luigi | hello |
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| 14:20.19 | Piper69 | meme: what do you mean? |
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| 14:20.43 | Ace2016 | cousin_luigi: hi |
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| 14:21.48 | meme | Piper69: well, that's how the parameter is called.. |
| 14:23.43 | Piper69 | meme: wtf , i know this is the default entry, how the fuck i know which one form the AUTOMAGIC Kernel list, you either help or just say you don't know , but don't talk to me in bits..JEzzzzzzzz |
| 14:23.58 | Piper69 | meme: even better just fuckin' forget it |
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| 14:25.06 | meme | Piper69: well, you give it the number of the entry you want.. |
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| 14:25.34 | meme | I really don't know what's so diffucult and why you have to start using such strong language :( |
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| 14:29.25 | zxxd | how to get tcpdump to display vlan ids (COS bit)? |
| 14:29.30 | zxxd | vlan priority |
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| 14:32.03 | _ZeuZ_ | a ver |
| 14:32.03 | _ZeuZ_ | ups |
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| 14:35.15 | Python132O | Umm, how can I add an folder to my path so that I could execute it from anywhere? Something like windows PATH variable? |
| 14:35.22 | Python132O | So far of what I've tried doesn't work |
| 14:35.26 | Python132O | http://pastebin.com/d12fea30d |
| 14:35.29 | mimcpher | Python132O, the unix PATH variable :P |
| 14:35.34 | path | :B |
| 14:35.35 | Python132O | mimcpher, http://pastebin.com/d12fea30d |
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| 14:35.51 | Python132O | I THOUGHT it would work but it didn't :( |
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| 14:36.12 | themill | Python132O: ~/something/bin != /something/bin |
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| 14:36.21 | Python132O | >.< |
| 14:36.21 | Python132O | :D |
| 14:36.24 | path | hehehe |
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| 14:37.27 | ForsakenSoul | hey guys if I am setting up a dns for my debian server .... say I want it to be example.com |
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| 14:37.49 | ForsakenSoul | what should I configure so that I would be able to access it through example.com |
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| 14:37.50 | ForsakenSoul | ? |
| 14:37.51 | ForsakenSoul | which files |
| 14:37.51 | ForsakenSoul | ? |
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| 14:37.56 | Python132O | lol |
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| 14:39.54 | themill | dpkg: tell ForsakenSoul about enter |
| 14:39.55 | rvalles | !tell MeatThyMaker about experimental |
| 14:40.01 | themill | dpkg: tell ForsakenSoul about bind |
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| 14:41.09 | ForsakenSoul | themill: so that is the way to set up a domain name .... |
| 14:41.17 | path | yes, thats the way. |
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| 14:43.17 | hersoy | i dont see gmake on synaptic packages, how can i do? |
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| 14:43.50 | ForsakenSoul | hmm guys I'm a newbie so please humor me on this one ... I bought a vps and I want to host a site in there ... and I bought a domain but I'm really not sure how to configure it ... I was able to connect to the domain name just by putting the domain name in the hostname file in etc/ ..... was that just a lucky coincidence or .... |
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| 14:45.30 | ministry | hello |
| 14:45.53 | SystemFAILURE | ministry:: hi |
| 14:46.54 | zxxd | er |
| 14:46.57 | ministry | I'm trying to enable Japanese on my system (lenny/sid) by exporting LC_ALL=jp_JP.UTF-8 (unconventionnal, I know). |
| 14:47.13 | ministry | my problem is, that perl keeps complaining that it cannot set the locale. |
| 14:47.23 | SerajewelKS | is there a gui like tinyca that i can use to generate a certificate and a signing request? |
| 14:47.26 | Python132O | ForsakenSoul, don't VPS-servers usually come with easy administration tools? |
| 14:47.37 | ministry | has anyone been thorough something similar before? |
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| 14:48.39 | ForsakenSoul | Python132O: well depends on what you mean by easy ... for a complete noob like me ... nothing is easy :D |
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| 14:49.02 | ministry | google ain't very helpful either. |
| 14:49.07 | ministry | :) |
| 14:49.33 | cousin_luigi | SerajewelKS: I'd rather do it by hand |
| 14:50.14 | xoz | ministry: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:51.46 | SerajewelKS | cousin_luigi: that's awesome. it's also not an answer to my question. |
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| 14:53.38 | ministry | xoz, I've set LANG in /etc/default/locale to ja_JP.UTF-8 and ran dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:53.58 | ministry | xoz, however, it configures en_US.UTF-8 |
| 14:54.08 | ministry | I'm no debian guru. Any hints? |
| 14:54.12 | SystemFAILURE | ministry:: my same problem .. still unsolved |
| 14:54.21 | stew | SystemFAILURE: you are running ubuntu hardy |
| 14:54.35 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: -.- i'm not an idiot . I'm running Debian Etch |
| 14:54.36 | stew | SystemFAILURE: so if you are having trouble reconfiguring locales, ask #ubuntu |
| 14:54.46 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: I'M NOT RUNNING UBUNTU . |
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| 14:54.57 | stew | SystemFAILURE: you are running locales and probably libc6 from ubntu hardy though |
| 14:55.06 | stew | SystemFAILURE: which explains why we don't know how to tell you to reconfigure it |
| 14:55.34 | ForsakenSoul | Python132O: my vps has webmin .... dunno if that makes a difference ? |
| 14:55.45 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: uh .. so i understand how i did it .. how can I reinstall locales and libc from the original pack (i've the dvd) ? |
| 14:55.54 | Python132O | webmin has bind configurer as far as I know |
| 14:56.21 | stew | SystemFAILURE: do you have a list of all the packages that you insatlled from ubuntu? |
| 14:56.33 | ministry | what's interesting is that mc has a localization for ja_JP.EUC-JP in /usr/share/locales/ja but I can't use it with 'LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8 mc' |
| 14:56.36 | Python132O | ForsakenSoul, you could try http://rimuhosting.com/support/bindviawebmin.jsp |
| 14:56.45 | ministry | any other locale (non asian) works, though ... |
| 14:56.47 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: I can have a list thanks to /var/lib/dpkg/status , why ? |
| 14:56.47 | Python132O | Or just google for webmin and bind |
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| 14:57.19 | ministry | err, I meant "LC_ALL=ja_JP.EUC-JP mc' |
| 14:58.31 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: mmh i can use the dvd to install the deb files of that packages .. right ? |
| 14:58.42 | stew | SystemFAILURE: how would you get a list from /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 14:59.14 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: the packages installed by the Ubunutu repositories have the @ubuntu.com mantainer email .. I can have a list using the search function so |
| 15:00.19 | stew | SystemFAILURE: every package from ubuntu is maintained by someone with a @ubuntu.com email address? are you sure? |
| 15:00.52 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: 98% sure (only about the ubuntu essential packages [some of the packages I installed]) |
| 15:01.53 | stew | SystemFAILURE: what do you ean by "only about the ubuntu essential packages"? |
| 15:02.09 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: that not all the packages from the ubuntu repository are mantained by @ubuntu |
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| 15:04.18 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: now trying |
| 15:04.24 | stew | SystemFAILURE: trying what? |
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| 15:04.44 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: reinstalling the deb files of the overwritten packages |
| 15:04.54 | stew | SystemFAILURE: how did you get a list of the overwritten packages? |
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| 15:05.12 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: nano /var/lib/dpkg/status , CTRL-W for '@ubuntu' |
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| 15:05.23 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: 'cause the package I installed are mantained by @ubuntu emails |
| 15:05.45 | stew | SystemFAILURE: how do you know that all the packages you installed were mainained by @ubuntu emails? |
| 15:07.04 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: the most part of the ubuntu packages (especially the essential packages which I installed) are mantained by @ubuntu or @lists-devel or someelse with @*ubuntu* |
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| 15:10.59 | Piper69 | cx18: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 |
| 15:11.01 | Piper69 | cx18: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 |
| 15:11.08 | Piper69 | what does this mean please |
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| 15:11.51 | Piper69 | i tried it with 3 efferent kernels |
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| 15:17.21 | jelly | Piper69: it means your driver and some of the kernel v4l infrastructure disagree; did you build the driver manually, or is this cx18 from debian's kernel? |
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| 15:18.34 | Piper69 | jelly ##hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb then make && make install |
| 15:18.45 | stew | SystemFAILURE: i'd recommend you just reinstall debian instead of trying to switch a ubuntu install or a ubuntu/debian mix to debian |
| 15:19.01 | SystemFAILURE | stew:: in fact i'm downloading Lenny |
| 15:19.43 | Piper69 | jelly i tried it with those 3 kernels 2.6.18-4-686 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 still the same thing |
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| 15:20.13 | Piper69 | jelly now i am running 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 15:22.23 | smacnay | Is there a conflict with the virtualbox 2.6.26-1 modules and the kernel headers/image (2.6.26-1) in testing? |
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| 15:23.11 | Midur | Hello. I'm trying to install debian from a netinstall CD but im unable to connect to the internet (dhcp) with the following network card: eth0: realtek semiconductor co., rtl8111/8168b pci express g |
| 15:23.17 | toolz | I have a problem |
| 15:23.19 | Midur | seems to be a problem with that card |
| 15:23.30 | toolz | I have 6GB ram on my machine and debian only sees 3GB |
| 15:23.33 | Midur | any suggestions on how to make it work or why it does not work in the first place? |
| 15:23.34 | toolz | what should I do? |
| 15:23.45 | jelly | Piper69: have you done a depmod -a after installing your fresh modules? |
| 15:23.59 | Piper69 | jelly no |
| 15:24.21 | Piper69 | jelly should i do that now |
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| 15:24.43 | toolz | anyone? any idea? |
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| 15:30.16 | Piper69 | jelly i still get the same error... i did depmod -a then i lsmod and dmesg | grep for cx18 and it didn't show , then i did modprobe cx18 and i got FATAL: Error inserting cx18 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx18/cx18.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 15:31.28 | mhymn_ | toolz: what's your kernel? |
| 15:31.48 | toolz | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 15:32.00 | toolz | mhymn_ ##linux guys recommend me to update to 64 bit |
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| 15:32.29 | mhymn_ | i'm not sure, but 'bigmem' is another option |
| 15:32.42 | mhymn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.59 | jelly | Piper69: what does dmesg say? |
| 15:33.15 | toolz | mhymn_, ok should I install that image? |
| 15:33.27 | mhymn_ | at least try it |
| 15:33.44 | toolz | how do I install it |
| 15:33.47 | Piper69 | cx18: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 |
| 15:33.49 | Piper69 | cx18: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 |
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| 15:33.57 | jelly | Piper69: is that all? |
| 15:34.08 | Piper69 | jelly yes |
| 15:34.47 | Piper69 | jelly could this really be the fix http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Hauppauge_HVR-1600&redirect=no |
| 15:34.47 | jelly | Piper69: I have no idea. |
| 15:35.08 | jelly | Piper69: is compat_ioctl32 loaded? |
| 15:35.23 | mhymn_ | toolz: |
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| 15:35.54 | Piper69 | jelly compat_ioctl32 1440 0 |
| 15:36.10 | mhymn_ | toolz: you'd find them by a succeeding 'bigmem' at the end |
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| 15:36.47 | stew | toolz: do you have a 64 bit cpu? if so, using a amd64 kernel is probably a better solution |
| 15:37.00 | jelly | Piper69: so try doing what that page suggests, yes; unload it, load v4l2_whatever instead, and try again |
| 15:37.25 | toolz | stew I have a core 2 due e8400 |
| 15:37.35 | Piper69 | jelly yeah i jsut did that and its not working |
| 15:37.47 | jelly | how is it not working? |
| 15:37.49 | toolz | or can't I just update to 64 bit from 32 bit? |
| 15:37.58 | machine1 | does anyone know how to set up analog stats ? |
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| 15:38.06 | jelly | Piper69: use a pastebin if you have more than 2-3 lines to paste |
| 15:38.10 | stew | toolz: you can install a amd64 kernel the same way that you'd install the bigmem kernel |
| 15:38.20 | Piper69 | jelly i grep it and it does show the same FATAL error |
| 15:38.22 | toolz | how do I disable ip_conntrack_max module |
| 15:38.46 | machine1 | i do this: sudo apt-get install analog. but then what? |
| 15:38.59 | Piper69 | toolz: i think modprobe -r ,module name> |
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| 15:40.01 | toolz | k ty |
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| 15:40.21 | toolz | is there a way to update from 32 bit to 64 bit using a core 2 duo e8400 will it support it? |
| 15:40.30 | toolz | can I do it online without reinstalling loosing data on my machine? |
| 15:40.34 | Piper69 | jelly now i got this WARNING: Error inserting compat_ioctl32 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/compat_ioctl32.ko): Invalid module format |
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| 15:41.13 | LimCore | hi |
| 15:41.18 | LimCore | I want to use UPS |
| 15:41.21 | stew | toolz: you can easily upgrade the kernel to 64 bit, but its not as easy to upgrade the rest of your install. changing the kernel is all you need to fix the memory problem |
| 15:41.32 | LimCore | not write a paper on it.. why everything have to be so geeky |
| 15:41.49 | toolz | stew, I do not wish to use any amd kernel, I use intel |
| 15:41.58 | LimCore | I installed some NUT thing, it seems it works with megatec driver... now how to just print status of the damn UPS? |
| 15:41.59 | toolz | what do you suggest me to do so I can have all the memory available |
| 15:42.08 | stew | toolz: i suggest you install the amd64 kernel |
| 15:42.30 | stew | toolz: which uses the amd64 instruction set which is supported by both intel and amd cpus |
| 15:42.31 | JordiGH | toolz: "amd64" doesn't really mean AMD. :P |
| 15:42.45 | mimcpher | toolz, the name "amd64" is only because AMD did it first: Intel made their implementation compatible. |
| 15:43.02 | toolz | ok so what should I do, what should I install |
| 15:43.24 | abrotman | !tell funyun about z25 |
| 15:43.26 | toolz | note: I installed this kernel: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 so I can have support for attasic L1 gigabit nic |
| 15:43.40 | LimCore | help |
| 15:43.43 | LimCore | I am going NUTs |
| 15:43.46 | toolz | so when I am switching to a kernel I need the nic to continue working |
| 15:43.59 | jelly | Piper69: did you try to load the wrong one? |
| 15:43.59 | toolz | stew, how do I install that kernel |
| 15:44.18 | valdyn | LimCore: read the documentation of your UPS |
| 15:44.38 | stew | toolz: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
| 15:44.50 | LimCore | valdyn: if I need to read tons of docs and configure 51897524 files to just print my ups status, then clearly something is wrong |
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| 15:45.22 | valdyn | LimCore: maybe, but thats up to your ups vendor, not us, so ask them |
| 15:45.23 | toolz | stew, and will I have the memory available? |
| 15:45.28 | stew | toolz: yes |
| 15:45.39 | Piper69 | jelly what doe you mean , i modprobe -r compat_ioctl32, then i modprobe v4l2-compat-ioctl32 adn the went fine, but as soon as i modprobe cx18, i got the above error |
| 15:45.40 | toolz | Segmentation fault |
| 15:45.42 | LimCore | valdyn: this ups is supported as mastech |
| 15:45.42 | toolz | uhm. |
| 15:45.55 | LimCore | valdyn: I started the driver for it.. what now, how to test it |
| 15:46.27 | toolz | stew, I get: Segmentation fault de stare extinsÄ... 0% |
| 15:46.42 | toolz | or: Segmentation faultborele de dependenÅ£Ä... 0% |
| 15:46.50 | toolz | thats romanian language |
| 15:46.59 | stew | toolz: i'd suspect that you have some faulty hardware, then. I'd recommend running memtest86+ |
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| 15:47.20 | toolz | never used |
| 15:47.26 | stew | what? |
| 15:47.36 | toolz | memtest |
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| 15:47.40 | toolz | never tested my memory |
| 15:47.58 | toolz | humm it gives me that error when I try to use apt-get for everything |
| 15:48.09 | toolz | should I reboot |
| 15:48.22 | Aggro | toolz: Did you talk about this problem before? |
| 15:48.23 | ilaiho | toolz: you may try that |
| 15:48.30 | Joelio | hi guys, I'm trying to upgrade perl due to a security issue, but I'm getting this error.. dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute old pre-removal script: Exec format error |
| 15:48.37 | Joelio | update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/rename corrupt: missing newline after manflag |
| 15:48.39 | Aggro | toolz: Because I just got a feeling I have read about this before |
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| 15:49.03 | Aggro | toolz: Unfortunately I didn't read what the solution was |
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| 15:49.54 | valdyn | LimCore: which driver? |
| 15:50.09 | toolz | no I didnt |
| 15:50.10 | Joelio | It's ok, copied a rename alternatives file from another box.. any idea why the rename file was hosed? |
| 15:50.15 | toolz | its the first time I see this on my machine |
| 15:50.19 | toolz | after I installed the memory |
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| 15:51.43 | Aggro | toolz: How much memory you got? |
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| 15:52.05 | gribouille | hi |
| 15:52.20 | toolz | Aggro, I had 2GB before and now I have 6GB |
| 15:52.33 | gribouille | what must be the encoding of a debian/control file ? utf8 ? |
| 15:52.43 | valdyn | Joelio: hardware issues or a crash / power outage |
| 15:52.59 | LimCore | valdyn: it seems that megatec, but this is not the issue I think... It seems drivers are fine but how to start the damn monitor and connect to it |
| 15:53.13 | valdyn | LimCore: which driver? |
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| 15:54.01 | valdyn | LimCore: i dont see it in debian |
| 15:54.06 | Aggro | There have been 3 people recently with segmentation faults with apt-get |
| 15:54.08 | drasko | hi all. git clone git://git.denx.de/u-boot.git says git command not found, but I explicitly apt-get git. What might be wrong? |
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| 15:55.36 | hark | drasko: install git-core instead |
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| 15:56.24 | drasko | hark, what's the difference? |
| 15:56.38 | themill | drasko: read the package descriptions |
| 15:57.10 | valdyn | LimCore: alright, your not very cooperative, but i found some things, read the manpage(s), not going to read them for you, its easy enough |
| 15:57.35 | LimCore | valdyn: I am reading manual for this for some time |
| 15:57.50 | LimCore | this is crazy... I want to display status of UPS, not run something more complex then apache lol wtf |
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| 15:58.10 | LimCore | actually apache is easier, at least apache works on default config |
| 15:58.19 | valdyn | nut-cgi - A web interface sub system for the nut - Network UPS Tools |
| 15:58.29 | LimCore | I think upsmonitor is running |
| 15:58.40 | hydra | hello, I have a question: I have a process that is started(using & after the command name) and monitored(using ps) by a bash script. If that process would crash, is it possible that this process also kills the bash script? |
| 15:58.44 | LimCore | now how to use it O_o ??! upsc myups says that it can not connect. |
| 15:59.43 | toolz | ok the reboot made it clear |
| 15:59.48 | toolz | I am installing that new kernel |
| 15:59.50 | valdyn | LimCore: upsmonitor is not in debian |
| 16:00.42 | LimCore | http://codepad.org/0LfhvD7w |
| 16:00.46 | valdyn | hydra: not really |
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| 16:01.35 | gribouille | what must be the encoding of a debian/control file ? utf8 ? |
| 16:01.53 | hydra | valdyn: even if the child process would consume all memory in the machine? |
| 16:02.03 | Polarina | UTF-8 is the thing, use it all the time. |
| 16:02.19 | valdyn | hydra: try it |
| 16:02.23 | LimCore | valdyn: after reading some things, it looks like this - http://codepad.org/0LfhvD7w imho such things should just work |
| 16:02.30 | gribouille | Polarina, utf8 os not always the best choice |
| 16:02.33 | \amethyst | hydra: something like command & while kill -0 $!; do sleep 1; done; echo "Process terminated" |
| 16:02.33 | valdyn | hydra: read about the OOM-killer |
| 16:02.41 | Polarina | gribouille: It is and don't argue. |
| 16:02.50 | Polarina | End of discussion. |
| 16:03.05 | valdyn | LimCore: is upsmon even running? |
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| 16:03.25 | jelly | Polarina: UTF-8 makes baby grep slow! |
| 16:03.31 | stew | gribouille: there is no particular encoding that needs to be used, unfortunately. multiple different encodings are in use now, but it would be better if utf-8 were used |
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| 16:04.15 | gribouille | stew, but aptitude doesn't display the information correctly if the encoding isn't urf8 |
| 16:04.26 | hydra | \amethyst: i do something like that indeed. valdyn: i'll search some info on that |
| 16:04.51 | jelly | Piper69: no idea then; as a general idea, I'd try to remove any trace of kernel v4l support, then make clean and rebuild the tree. |
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| 16:05.26 | stew | gribouille: probably |
| 16:05.33 | Piper69 | jelly can you explain more please |
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| 16:06.03 | \amethyst | the Lenny release goal "UTF-8 debian/changelog and debian/control" is marked as finished |
| 16:06.06 | stew | gribouille: unfortunately however, there is policy requiring utf-8. it is "recommended" for debian/changelog, but that is it |
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| 16:06.14 | \amethyst | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453954 |
| 16:06.15 | stew | ahh, that is goood |
| 16:06.27 | stew | hopefully it will be in the next standards version then |
| 16:06.33 | stew | or is it already, and i missed it |
| 16:06.49 | stew | i can tell you for sure that etch's Packages is not all valid UTF-8 |
| 16:06.51 | jelly | Piper69: uninstall what you installed from v4l-dvb source tree; remove existing v4l modules from /lib/modules/$(uname -r); do a depmod again; rebuild the v4l-dvb tree |
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| 16:07.25 | gribouille | stew, if utf8 is required, why isn't it flagged as an error when another encoding is used ? |
| 16:07.44 | toolz | yeah there is 6GB now with that kernel |
| 16:07.46 | toolz | :D |
| 16:07.49 | toolz | works fine |
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| 16:07.56 | stew | gribouille: its not required |
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| 16:08.06 | moist | Hi. I am running debian lenny on a x86 machine (core 2) with 4GB of ram. I installed the -686-bigmem kernel and still I only have 3GB available according to free(1). Is there some kernel-parameter I am missing or something? |
| 16:08.28 | gribouille | stew, you just said it was required |
| 16:08.32 | stew | gribouille: where? |
| 16:08.56 | gribouille | <stew> gribouille: unfortunately however, there is policy requiring utf-8. it is "recommended" for debian/changelog, but that is it |
| 16:08.57 | stew | gribouille: oh, i misspoke, i meant to say "there is NO policy" |
| 16:09.00 | holycow | hi guys |
| 16:09.00 | Piper69 | jelly i follow you all the way to build v4l-dvb tree <---what you mean ? |
| 16:09.04 | gribouille | stew, ok |
| 16:09.17 | holycow | so, what do we use these days for a date client and a date server on debian? |
| 16:09.19 | cahoot | moist: isn't that a 32bit limitation? |
| 16:09.29 | jelly | Piper69: the source tree you got from hg |
| 16:09.35 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 16:09.35 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 16:09.45 | valdyn | holycow: ^^^ |
| 16:09.45 | stew | gribouille: though it seems that if it is a release goal, it should be, and probably soon will be, and it looks liek there are already lintian rules for it |
| 16:09.53 | holycow | i'm getting tired of windows nonsense and would like to setup a debian internal time server, but i vaguely remember some brewhaha over which one is best |
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| 16:09.56 | holycow | oh okay! |
| 16:09.57 | holycow | danke |
| 16:10.22 | holycow | oh right time config on boot that was the issue |
| 16:10.23 | moist | cahoot: thus PAE.. |
| 16:10.33 | jelly | Piper69: do a make clean or make distclean inside, try building and installing again |
| 16:10.59 | holycow | i want to avoid checking time on boot, that usually interferes in situations where there was a power blip and not everythign synchs up right on boot. what do you guys do for that? |
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| 16:12.22 | jelly | Piper69: read their README/INSTALL stuff; ask for directions in #dvb or #linuxtv I guess. I _think_ just a make install is supposed to work, but they might know more about issues with specific kernel versions |
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| 16:13.00 | Piper69 | jelly thank mate |
| 16:13.08 | jelly | Piper69: np. building out-of-kernel modules from source isn't really a debian specific problem |
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| 16:20.07 | onetinsoldier | in order to get xsnow-1.42 to compile, i need to make various changes to the Makefile and install the packages i needed, one of which was 'ia32-libs'. after i did that 'ldd' still complained that it could not find -lXext. i went into /usr/lib and did 'ln -sv libXext.so.6 libXext.so' and then it complied without complaint. would that be considered an(incredibly) minor bug in the ia32-libs package? |
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| 16:22.34 | \amethyst | onetinsoldier: that link is part of the -dev package |
| 16:22.41 | \amethyst | onetinsoldier: libxext-dev |
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| 16:23.58 | \amethyst | onetinsoldier: xsnow should be linked to libXext.so.6, not just libXext.so |
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| 16:24.30 | Xires | I'm getting an error from aptitude on 1 server that I can't figure out..when attempting to install packages, it returns with "Subprocess terminated with an error -- did you type your password correctly?" |
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| 16:26.32 | onetinsoldier | \amethyst: doh! ok, i wll install the proper dev package(libxext-dev) packages, and recompile it. somehow i was thinking that had the dev packages that i needed already installed. thank you! :-) |
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| 16:27.59 | abrotman | funyun: put that file in a pastebin |
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| 16:29.03 | acutedeath | hi amalthaa |
| 16:29.06 | amalthaa | hi |
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| 16:30.34 | onetinsoldier | libxext-dev installed along with required dep that i didn't have yet, x11proto-xext-dev, and sure enough, proper symlink is there now |
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| 16:32.06 | Hideme | Is it possible to recover from deleting /bin if I have a copy? |
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| 16:35.45 | \amethyst | Hideme: probably... presumably you have *something* in /usr/bin that can copy files with permissions and ownership intact |
| 16:35.51 | klync | how can i save the state of aptitude before running `aptitude keep-all`, in case I want to restore it or just review the state? |
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| 16:36.05 | \amethyst | Hideme: do you have an active session running as root? |
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| 16:36.52 | hdkiller | hello, i have to ethernet on the same subnet and i want to use both for serving out content, but it's looks like just eth0 is used because of the default gw |
| 16:36.55 | Hideme | \amethyst: I'm recovered that bin dir from a backup using a live cd. |
| 16:37.06 | hdkiller | i don't know what to google for |
| 16:37.09 | Hideme | however, still using using comamnds that were in /bin |
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| 16:37.46 | klync | hdkiller: depends on the application / service you're running - you want to tell it to *listen* on that particular interface |
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| 16:38.01 | \amethyst | Hideme: perl is in /usr/bin and will probably let you do everything you need |
| 16:38.33 | hdkiller | klync: i use lighttpd, and it's listen on both interface, also it's serve hits for the different IPs, but the problem is, always eth0 is used to answer |
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| 16:39.01 | \amethyst | Hideme: wget a copy of /bin/cp, perl -e 'chmod 0755, /bin/cp' then cp -a everything else |
| 16:39.01 | hdkiller | klync: with ifstats i see: eth1 KB/s in KB/s out 2557.70 240544.8 | eth2 3068.13 0.00 |
| 16:39.21 | stew | hdkiller: eth1 and eth2 are on different subnets? or the same subnet? |
| 16:39.49 | hdkiller | stew: same subnets, both port is 1000mbps, basically i want to do this to serve more content than 1000mbps |
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| 16:40.29 | \amethyst | !bonding |
| 16:40.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 for some general info (beware, it's older, note the Date) |
| 16:40.31 | stew | hdkiller: why not bond the interfaces? |
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| 16:41.10 | hdkiller | stew: never heard about it, but this is what i need, THANKS! |
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| 16:48.43 | eptalon | heyas.. |
| 16:49.18 | eptalon | current netimst for testinmg hangs at "configuring apt" at 43% when installed inside a VirtualBox |
| 16:50.23 | JordiGH | eptalon: Any clue in the ttys? |
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| 16:51.43 | eptalon | JordiGH: no tty's in virtualbox |
| 16:52.06 | JordiGH | eptalon: Uh, there must be ttys. Surely an emulated environment also emulates the ttys that d-i sets up? |
| 16:52.26 | abrotman | eptalon: in the installer .. hit ctrl-alt-f3 |
| 16:54.19 | eptalon | abrotman: that gives me my real ttys |
| 16:55.00 | JordiGH | eptalon: No way to tell the emulator to bind all of your keys temporarily? |
| 16:55.27 | jpinx | I'm doing an upgrade from sarge to etch on a remote webserver which is on a virtual machine. I am at the point of installing the kernel package and it is telling me I need to configure the bootloader to use initrd, but I can't find either grub or lilo on the box. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 16:56.03 | JordiGH | "x86 virtualization solution" <-- Argh, it's software, not a solution, In this case, it's a problem. |
| 16:56.38 | jelly | eptalon: like in vmware, there's a key (combo) to have the vbox console bind the keyboard. It's right shift for vbox by default, afair |
| 16:56.55 | JordiGH | jpinx: What do you mean you can't find it? Neither the lilo nor the grub package is installed? How does your webserver boot? |
| 16:57.00 | eptalon | JordiGH: will try |
| 16:57.19 | jelly | eptalon: are you connecting to the guest using rdp, or using vbox console? |
| 16:57.26 | JordiGH | !solution |
| 16:57.39 | jpinx | JordiGH: good question - I have asked the company but no reply yet |
| 16:58.07 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, solution is <reply> A door is a wall solution. |
| 16:58.07 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 16:58.14 | JordiGH | !solution |
| 16:58.14 | dpkg | A door is a wall solution. |
| 16:58.31 | jelly | makes a nice acid/water solution and pours over JordiGH |
| 16:58.32 | jpinx | JordiGH: I can install and configure grub, but I thought maybe there was something else going on, and being a remote box, I don't want to break it |
| 16:59.32 | JordiGH | jelly: I guess very dilute software might be a solution... |
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| 16:59.46 | jelly | see! |
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| 17:00.39 | d-b | jpinx: is xen or another virtualisation technology in use ? |
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| 17:00.57 | JordiGH | jpinx: You're probably sharing your box with other people. |
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| 17:01.01 | jpinx | d-b: yes - but I'm not sure which one |
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| 17:01.25 | jpinx | JordiGH: see my original post - it's a virtual webserver |
| 17:01.26 | d-b | jpinx: who is the host ? |
| 17:01.41 | jpinx | a company called netserve in UK |
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| 17:02.01 | d-b | so this is a vps and not shared hosting |
| 17:02.21 | jpinx | d-b: yes - it's a virtual private server |
| 17:02.40 | jpinx | my own operating system, root access, etc |
| 17:02.53 | d-b | mmmm ask them, my guess is that you don't touch the kernel -> as its compiled for the virtualisation software |
| 17:03.09 | pecar | hj i ve installed debian etch and there's no way to keep the flashplayer plugin workin in the web browsers what can i do. I try it on iceweasel and epiphany |
| 17:03.31 | jpinx | d-b: I've upgraded the kernal and the box is stil running, but I haven't rebooted yet.... |
| 17:03.58 | d-b | jpinx: i'd ask before rebooting it. |
| 17:04.57 | jpinx | d-b: I have asked and am waiting an answer, but I thought someone here might have experience.... |
| 17:05.14 | JordiGH | pecar: How does it not work? |
| 17:05.23 | enouf | jpinx: there are other bootloaders other than lilo and grub |
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| 17:05.26 | stew | pecar: which flash plugin are you using? |
| 17:05.38 | jpinx | enouf: like what? |
| 17:06.03 | pecar | Adobe flash player 10 |
| 17:06.11 | jpinx | enouf: /boot is empty |
| 17:06.41 | JordiGH | pecar: Use flash player 9. Player 10 is buggy and crappy and alpha. |
| 17:06.50 | d-b | jpinx: if /boot is empty how are you upgrading the kernel ? |
| 17:06.56 | JordiGH | pecar: Also try to see if swfdec or gnash satisfy your needs. |
| 17:06.57 | pecar | ok i'll try now |
| 17:06.59 | stew | JordiGH: is that not also true for flash player 9 ? |
| 17:07.00 | pecar | thanks |
| 17:07.15 | JordiGH | stew: It's a bit worse for player 10. |
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| 17:07.35 | jpinx | d-b: it seemed to accept the upgrade |
| 17:07.58 | d-b | jpinx: right but how do you intend on specifying that kernel ? |
| 17:08.04 | d-b | (the new one) |
| 17:08.37 | jpinx | d-b: I gave it 2.6-686 metapackage |
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| 17:08.59 | enouf | jpinx: bootcamp, EFI, iLO, all sorts of other ones ... too many to mention |
| 17:09.16 | jpinx | and it installed but complained that the initrd would need to be configured |
| 17:09.21 | enouf | jpinx: look at your MBR with a hex editor :-P |
| 17:09.31 | d-b | enouf: is that even safe ? ^^ |
| 17:09.36 | enouf | jpinx: it might be using GPT though even |
| 17:09.41 | enouf | who knows |
| 17:09.52 | enouf | d-b: sure - i do it all the time :-) |
| 17:10.06 | d-b | enouf: work for you tm i guess ^^ |
| 17:10.07 | jpinx | hmmm -- it's still running so I'll wait for the host to reboot it |
| 17:10.11 | enouf | d-b: i should say hexviewer |
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| 17:10.21 | jpinx | and at the same time I'll see if i can find out what the system is |
| 17:10.25 | enouf | jpinx: smart ... |
| 17:10.52 | d-b | does dmesg|grep xen show anything ? |
| 17:10.54 | enouf | (as to the wait for answer) |
| 17:10.58 | jpinx | if it's this unfriendly to maintain- I'll change hosts ;) |
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| 17:11.43 | jpinx | d-b: yes |
| 17:12.05 | jpinx | d-b: Linux version 2.6.16-2-xen-686 (Debian 2.6.16-13bpo1) (nobse@backports.org) |
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| 17:12.28 | enouf | take a look at your /etc/kernel-img.conf file settings as well |
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| 17:12.36 | jpinx | d-b: (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Tue May 23 05:46:45 CEST 2006 |
| 17:13.23 | jpinx | d-b: xen_mem: Initialising balloon driver. |
| 17:13.26 | jpinx | that was it |
| 17:14.19 | d-b | they are using xen virtualisation. |
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| 17:14.45 | jpinx | enouf: that just gave something about over-riding symlinks |
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| 17:15.00 | jpinx | d-b: yep - I reckon so |
| 17:15.05 | enouf | jpinx: but did you notice lines about update-grub? |
| 17:15.14 | jpinx | googles xen |
| 17:15.54 | jpinx | enouf: there's nothng about grub in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 17:15.55 | enouf | jpinx: afaik, LiLo wouldn't have anything in /boot - it's config is in /etc/lilo* or whatever |
| 17:16.09 | jpinx | enouf: looking......... |
| 17:16.20 | rdz | hi all. iirc, there is way to display the current status of a running dd process, but i forgot how to do so. someone might want to fresh up my mind? |
| 17:16.55 | jpinx | enouf: ls /etc doesn't list anything lilo-ish |
| 17:17.19 | enouf | jpinx: hexdump -C /dev/hdX | less |
| 17:17.41 | enouf | jpinx: or strings /dev/hdX | egrep -i 'grub|lilo' :-P |
| 17:17.52 | enouf | ctrl-c to stop it ;-) |
| 17:18.03 | jpinx | enouf: hexdump: /dev/hdX: No such file or directory |
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| 17:18.14 | enouf | jpinx: hdX is arbitrary :-P |
| 17:18.21 | jpinx | ah |
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| 17:19.11 | d-b | !xen |
| 17:19.12 | jpinx | will hexdump -C /dev/hd* | less work? |
| 17:19.12 | dpkg | it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 17:19.53 | da_ | what MP3 players work with Linux? |
| 17:20.44 | enouf | jpinx: hrm .. i also wonder if it's still using an initrd made with mkinitrd (the old style) since it's a .16 era ... not that it matters so much - but it can cause issues during a dist-upgrade - you want to do an 'upgrade' to the system fully still using the Sarge repos only - then move up to etch - not just the kernel (FWIW) Please see the /msg dpkg sarge->etch factoid in PM, and read the Release Notes |
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| 17:21.09 | enouf | jpinx: cat /proc/partitions ; cat /etc/fstab ; df -T ... so many ways |
| 17:21.22 | enouf | jpinx: dmesg .. etc etc |
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| 17:21.58 | d-b | enouf: are you sure a xen guest needs a bloodloader ? |
| 17:22.09 | kladizkov | is there any gui based configuration tool to configure firewall |
| 17:22.18 | jpinx | enouf: i was following the factoid and release notes carefully |
| 17:22.24 | enouf | d-b: nope - but i know grub's menu.lst has options for it ;-) |
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| 17:23.21 | darius12 | haha, bloodloader :-) too much quake ? |
| 17:23.52 | jpinx | enouf: it certainly was not a straightforward upgrade, lots of issues, but being on a xen vps seems to have buggered me |
| 17:23.54 | enouf | kladizkov: sure - many - shorewall, m0n0wall, ipcop? gazillions even - use iptables ;-) |
| 17:24.04 | da_ | <ubottu> what Mp3 player works with Ubuntu? |
| 17:24.21 | jpinx | da_: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:24.23 | eptalon | ok. tried again, worked. |
| 17:24.27 | enouf | jpinx: you'll get through it - have patience ;-) |
| 17:24.29 | kladizkov | does shorewall has gui? |
| 17:24.30 | da_ | ok |
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| 17:24.56 | enouf | kladizkov: almost positive, as years ago, i looked at it closely (though never installed it) |
| 17:25.15 | jpinx | enouf: yea - I was doing really well, but the release notes don't cover the case of being on a xen vps with an unresponsive host staff :( |
| 17:25.39 | enouf | jpinx: look in the manual of Life :-) |
| 17:25.47 | kladizkov | nope...shorewall is cli based |
| 17:26.04 | d-b | kladizkov: also there is pfsense. yeah shorewall has a gui i believe. |
| 17:26.11 | enouf | kladizkov: bah - i recall nice big Red, Orange, Green LEDs displaying |
| 17:26.11 | d-b | (web interface) |
| 17:26.21 | d-b | sorry smoothwall |
| 17:26.47 | d-b | there is firestarer -> if you want a gui |
| 17:28.24 | enouf | heh, ipcop appears to have a curses interface http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_linux_firewall_ipcop |
| 17:28.35 | jpinx | reads man life ;) |
| 17:28.36 | enouf | yeah - there's another one mentioned |
| 17:28.37 | kladizkov | yea...firestarter looks good |
| 17:29.05 | enouf | d-b: and kladizkov gah! i meant smoothwall , not shorewall |
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| 17:29.27 | enouf | SonOfaB**** :-p |
| 17:29.30 | kladizkov | for some reason, i dont have smoothwall in debian repo |
| 17:29.43 | enouf | judd: versions smoothwall |
| 17:29.43 | judd | enouf: smoothwall -- |
| 17:29.47 | enouf | nada |
| 17:31.26 | enouf | Someone in the know mentioned this sometime ago - i bookmarked it (doesn't appear to be GUI) but http://rfxnetworks.com/apf.php |
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| 17:33.25 | unop | enouf, hey, may i pm ? |
| 17:33.38 | enouf | unop: sure .. you, yep ;-) |
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| 17:35.58 | ilaiho | kladizkov: smoothwall is an operating system, not an application |
| 17:36.08 | kladizkov | oh |
| 17:36.30 | ilaiho | it is a linux distro designed for dedicated firewall machines |
| 17:36.43 | ilaiho | you can turn old pc into firewall-router |
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| 17:37.26 | machine1 | webalizer kinda sucks.. is there anything else out there besides awstats? |
| 17:37.55 | stoned | HEY! |
| 17:38.02 | stoned | EID MUBARAK! HAPPY EID Everybody! |
| 17:38.03 | machine1 | hi |
| 17:38.41 | stoned | Today we celebrate our covenant with Abraham :D and sacrifice and animal and give the meat to the poor people |
| 17:38.44 | funyun | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1279798 |
| 17:38.51 | stoned | ok thats good, bye now |
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| 17:40.27 | stoned | enouf, ping |
| 17:41.35 | enouf | stoned: yes? |
| 17:41.44 | stoned | look in cha |
| 17:41.48 | enouf | stoned: i'm a tad busy - i'll see you over in chat |
| 17:41.53 | stoned | yup |
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| 17:44.27 | kai4711 | hi guys... i want to put some http-call into my crontab |
| 17:44.43 | kai4711 | i think i can do that usin wget an putting this into /dev/null |
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| 17:44.55 | kai4711 | but wget http://url.com /dev/null doesnt wirk |
| 17:44.58 | kai4711 | work |
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| 17:45.03 | slayton | can the latest debian liveCD mount software raid arrays? |
| 17:45.15 | kai4711 | it says /dev/null not supported scheme |
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| 17:50.32 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:50.38 | lostson | hello |
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| 17:52.31 | Ace2016 | i have a samsung scx4200 printer and i am trying to print a test page but it doesn't work i have followed the instructions and set it up and restarted cups, but it just doesn't print |
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| 17:52.45 | Dream | hi |
| 17:52.49 | Ace2016 | it says ready accepting jobs in the web frontend but it doesn't do anything :( |
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| 17:53.36 | Dream | i'm looking to make a port forwarding on the interface lo |
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| 17:54.19 | SQlvpapir | any tips for compiling asleap? this is what make gives me trying to compile asleap |
| 17:54.20 | Dream | but it doesn't work :( i tried the same rules on eth0 and it works |
| 17:54.27 | SQlvpapir | woups http://pastebin.com/dc1373d2 |
| 17:54.29 | Dream | any ideas ? |
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| 17:55.09 | Dream | is it possible to do port forwarding on lo interface ? |
| 17:55.34 | Ace2016 | oh i can't believe this, i spent a whole day the printer to work and never listened when it said it couldn't detect it, and i've just found the cable is unplugged, only found it now after running lspci, it was working perfectly before and i thought the kernel upgrade meant i had to reinstall it, but the cable was the issue |
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| 17:57.10 | cahoot | Ace2016: no real need disconnecting the printer for a kernel upgrade ;) |
| 17:57.20 | SQlvpapir | libpcap0.8-dev and libssl-dev made make fine :-) |
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| 17:59.27 | kakarot | what package should i install to get lspci ? |
| 17:59.44 | cahoot | pciutils? |
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| 18:00.34 | awk | hi, hmm when using a custom kernel, can I just use it like all other linux distro, just make bzImage and then point in grub.conf to that bzImage, I see things about initrd now and it might not boot if i don't use that? |
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| 18:00.37 | Ace2016 | oh now it works perfectly |
| 18:00.46 | Ace2016 | if i had just ran lsusb this would never have happened :( |
| 18:00.59 | Ace2016 | and i need new toner :( |
| 18:01.02 | kakarot | cahoot: yes, thanks, i'm drunk now, and i can't think well enough |
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| 18:02.16 | awk | hrm, anyone know the right channel to ask a kernel question then? |
| 18:02.50 | hoxu | !tell awk about make-kpkg |
| 18:03.03 | awk | thats not what i asked |
| 18:03.05 | stew | awk: you need an initrd if you need to load kernel modules or do something like start lvm or raid before you can mount the / partition |
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| 18:03.07 | cahoot | awk: use 'the debian way' /msg dpkg k-p |
| 18:03.08 | awk | I asked do I need inird |
| 18:03.20 | awk | ok, thanks |
| 18:03.42 | valdyn | awk: you dont need an initrd |
| 18:04.00 | Ace2016 | Hey i had this awesome idea, a program which tells you whats plugged in |
| 18:04.02 | stew | awk: and we'd recommend using update-grub to change the grub config for you |
| 18:04.07 | valdyn | awk: ( and every distro probably uses an initrd ) |
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| 18:04.20 | awk | valdyn: not gentoo |
| 18:04.25 | hoxu | update-grub is called when you install debs from make-kpkg |
| 18:04.32 | stew | maybe |
| 18:04.35 | valdyn | awk: thats at least an option then |
| 18:04.41 | awk | ok great, leartn allot... |
| 18:04.51 | awk | let me read up on what you stated and do it right right way for debian |
| 18:04.58 | valdyn | awk: many things cant be done w/o one ( well unless you want a huge monolithic byimage |
| 18:05.07 | Ace2016 | its going to be an applet on the window which shows if a printer or other device is plugged in |
| 18:05.09 | stew | awk: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:05.13 | Ace2016 | on the desktop* |
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| 18:05.27 | stew | and even if you have a hube monolithic image, you still can't do somethings without an initrd |
| 18:05.46 | stew | ^hube^nuge |
| 18:05.48 | stew | ugh |
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| 18:08.07 | luckz | valdyn: yep, and that does not include irssi-scripts. |
| 18:08.20 | luckz | it includes irssi and icecast2 and such fun things, and those i already have in their backports versions |
| 18:08.20 | valdyn | luckz: hmmm? |
| 18:08.30 | luckz | 14:08:51 < valdyn> luckz: have you looked at backports.org? |
| 18:08.36 | valdyn | luckz: you can just install the irssi-scripts from lenny |
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| 18:08.44 | valdyn | luckz: theres no versioned depends |
| 18:08.55 | valdyn | !depends irssi-scripts lenny |
| 18:08.59 | luckz | yeah, but my question was if I can without adding lenny to my sources.list |
| 18:09.06 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 18:09.06 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 18:09.22 | dpkg | irssi-scripts: depends on irssi | irssi-text |
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| 18:09.33 | valdyn | get package -> dpkg -i package.deb -> done |
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| 18:10.56 | luckz | mhm |
| 18:13.05 | Ace2016 | bye all |
| 18:13.16 | abrotman | funyun: still around? did someone help you ? |
| 18:13.33 | abrotman | funyun: see how they are named eth0/eth1 .. you can just switch them |
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| 18:14.27 | funyun | abrotman: what exactly will that do? |
| 18:14.47 | abrotman | funyun: change one from eth0 to eth1 and vice versa |
| 18:15.20 | funyun | so will i still be using my gbit line or will i be using the 100mbit? |
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| 18:17.54 | abrotman | whichever is plugged in there |
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| 18:19.24 | funyun | abrotman: 1gbit is set to master and 100mbit is slave. i'm not sure what that means but that's what they told me |
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| 18:22.29 | mhymn_ | funyun: if you're able to test both of them now it should't be difficult to find out the answer |
| 18:22.53 | chfwiggum | !kerberos |
| 18:22.53 | dpkg | methinks kerberos is a cross-platform networked security and authentication system for accessing services. http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/, or not so well supported in debian, or getting better slowly in debian woody/sid |
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| 18:23.11 | abrotman | mii-tool or ethtool might be more help |
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| 18:24.29 | dashs | Got my server kernel patch working on etch -- excellent. |
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| 18:27.55 | funyun | abrotman: okay, so just to confirm. all i do is chancge eth1 to eth0 and eth0 to eth1? |
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| 18:30.57 | abrotman | funyun: as long as they're both configured |
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| 18:33.52 | funyun | abrotman: how do i find that out? ethtool? i type ethtool but get "ethtool: command not found" |
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| 18:34.06 | abrotman | you have to install it |
| 18:34.19 | Sashi | question, is it possible to allow a user to use ftp but not have any ssh? |
| 18:34.35 | Sashi | cuz when i put in /bin/false it says login incorrect for ftp |
| 18:34.39 | hoxu | Sashi, you are thinking of ssh's subsystem sftp now? |
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| 18:35.15 | funyun | abrotman: ethtool is already the newest version. |
| 18:35.17 | hoxu | Sashi, ah. You can use AllowUsers/AllowGroups/etc in sshd_config to prevent ssh access - man sshd_config |
| 18:35.27 | abrotman | funyun: are you root ? |
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| 18:35.37 | Sashi | k thx hoxu |
| 18:35.47 | mimcpher | Sashi, you can set the shell for the user to be sftp. |
| 18:36.02 | hoxu | I think Sashi really means FTP, not SFTP |
| 18:36.05 | mimcpher | Sashi, there are instructions on how to limit ssh to sftp only. |
| 18:36.24 | funyun | abrotman: ahh, no. i am now. what should i do next? |
| 18:36.58 | abrotman | ethtool ? |
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| 18:37.15 | funyun | abrotman: yes, with ethtool |
| 18:37.29 | abrotman | funyun: what are you trying to see ? |
| 18:38.01 | funyun | abrotman: if they're both configured |
| 18:38.10 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
| 18:38.11 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 18:39.33 | Sashi | yo |
| 18:39.34 | Sashi | err |
| 18:39.35 | Sashi | w/c |
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| 18:43.30 | funyun | abrotman: okay, going to try now |
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| 18:44.46 | adama_ | WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 5.0 |
| 18:44.53 | adama_ | installing postgresql-common |
| 18:45.40 | adama_ | shrug |
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| 18:50.59 | abrotman | adama_: checked the BTS? |
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| 18:55.46 | Sashi | is there any possible way to limit the user cant execute but still login to FTP |
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| 19:00.47 | ponyofdeath | hi, if i put postfix related stuff in my preseed file during automated install would that automatically install postfix? |
| 19:03.41 | J6Dof | hi, when i plug a usb stick with a ntfs file system , an error pops up saying that it cant be mounted with default options |
| 19:04.19 | J6Dof | im running lenny |
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| 19:04.58 | zxxd | hi |
| 19:04.59 | morphir | you need the driver called ntfs-3d |
| 19:04.59 | zxxd | how do i see Vlan priority (COS) in frames with tcpdump |
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| 19:05.15 | morphir | eerr. I mean ntfs-3g |
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| 19:06.25 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.46 | J6Dof | morphir:thanks |
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| 19:07.02 | mrak | hello, is it possible to remote hack ssh if i open authorised key only and i lost mt authorized_keys ?? :) |
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| 19:07.13 | beardy | drasko: If it uses the ssh client, "-l username". Read the manual. |
| 19:07.45 | beardy | drasko: username@your.domain.com/bla should work too. |
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| 19:08.02 | Vorbote | mrak, if your private key has no password, yes of course. Make sure to remove that key from the authorized_keys file in the targer server. |
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| 19:09.00 | drasko | beardy, neither works |
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| 19:09.54 | \amethyst | mrak: so your account (the one you want access to) is set up to allow passwordless access only and you have no authorized_keys? |
| 19:10.07 | drasko | beardy, or I am not typing something correctly. svn checkout svn+ssh://your.domain.com/full/path/to/repository -l username |
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| 19:10.22 | drasko | svn: Non-numeric limit argument given |
| 19:10.57 | funyun | abrotman: i think all that did is switch my server to 100mbit |
| 19:11.08 | fungo_ | there's a problem with nvidia drivers and kernel 2.6.27? |
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| 19:11.54 | abrotman | funyun: not fix the dropped packets ? |
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| 19:12.08 | funyun | abrotman: nope. they're still there |
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| 19:13.06 | abrotman | funyun: from your server, what if you do an mtr to say 148.1 279.9 ? |
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| 19:13.10 | abrotman | whoops .. ignore that |
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| 19:14.06 | MetalliMyers | hai2u |
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| 19:16.31 | mrak | \amethyst: its good point but i cant to setup it, because a i cant logged in |
| 19:16.32 | mrak | ;) |
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| 19:16.39 | dfrank | hello All, tell me please, what should i do: i have a directory which can't be removed or listed containings files: if i try to do something of it, process become zombie |
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| 19:23.23 | \amethyst | dfrank: what directory is this? is it on the root filesystem or a different one? |
| 19:23.38 | \amethyst | dfrank: and does the process become a zombie, or does it go into state D? |
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| 19:25.50 | crunge | Sorry for the hardware ignorance... can a system have crashes/lockups caused by IRQ issues if there are no shared IRQs? |
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| 19:27.31 | darius12 | sure it can, if you have buggy drivers |
| 19:27.36 | dfrank | \amethyst: yes, root filesystem. And process just did'n response |
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| 19:29.49 | crunge | darius12: Hmm.. I swapped out NIC that kept going offline. Now the system locks and hangs. Went for a 3c905b to a RT8139. It's loading two 8139 drivers. 8139cp and 8139too |
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| 19:31.03 | kantor | hi, I have my operating systems (linux, and freebsd) on a 80 GB hdd, I also have a 160 GB hdd, how can I copy all the data (the operating systems) from the 80 GB hdd to the 160 GB hdd, so I do not need to reinstall linux and freebsd to that 160 GB hdd ? |
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| 19:31.29 | nullboy | kantor: use dd |
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| 19:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | tar is actually better |
| 19:31.51 | SystemFAILURE | kantor:: dd if=HARDDISK_FROM of=HARDDISK_TO |
| 19:31.58 | darius12 | no |
| 19:32.01 | SystemFAILURE | kantor:: example dd if=/dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 |
| 19:32.03 | cahoot | size? |
| 19:32.07 | darius12 | the new disk is twice as big |
| 19:32.08 | SystemFAILURE | kantor:: example dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 |
| 19:32.17 | SystemFAILURE | darius12:: nd so ? |
| 19:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's why tar is better :) |
| 19:32.21 | nullboy | darius12: he can resize after the dd operation |
| 19:32.30 | SystemFAILURE | Oh mmh |
| 19:32.35 | SystemFAILURE | 'ight |
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| 19:32.39 | SystemFAILURE | `tar cf` rulez |
| 19:32.43 | kantor | SystemFAILURE, thanks |
| 19:32.50 | darius12 | yep, I 'm for tar too |
| 19:33.04 | crunge | rsync |
| 19:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but why do a crappy/risky filesystem resize AND copy all possible fragmentation, when you can get a rather clean new system with tar? |
| 19:33.22 | kantor | SystemFAILURE, but If I have a 8 GB partiton on that 80 GB hdd, dd copies only that 8 GB then stops, no ? |
| 19:33.41 | darius12 | yes |
| 19:33.45 | SystemFAILURE | kantor:: yes , but keep in mind that it will resize the partition too , so you'll have to modify the fs table |
| 19:33.45 | crunge | You'll end up with an 80GB file system |
| 19:33.50 | SystemFAILURE | (i think ..) |
| 19:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways... I think we're being a bit offtopic with that |
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| 19:34.58 | adama_ | I've been through this... use rsync NOT dd |
| 19:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | to stay at least a bit Debian related... |
| 19:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debian clone |
| 19:34.58 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 19:35.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would copy the package selection onto a fresh install |
| 19:35.30 | jelly | used rsync last two times |
| 19:35.37 | Iradieh | what I do is that I run a script that copies everything except /proc and /opt and stuff and just restore it on the other computer |
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| 19:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, is there any advantage for rsync over tar, btw? |
| 19:35.55 | Iradieh | tar cvpzf /home/seivan/sGate/backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media --exclude=/home/seivan/sGate/backup.tgz --exclude=/home/seivan/Downloads/*/* --exclude=/sys / |
| 19:36.17 | crunge | CutMeOwnThroat: rsync will resume more smartly if something fails |
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| 19:36.43 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: incremental copy is possible; less downtime |
| 19:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Iradieh, aeww... you don't make a backup.tgz - you tar to -f '-' and pipe the result into an untar - not everybody has enough space for the whole system |
| 19:36.56 | crunge | rsync -auv --progress /path/to/source/ /path/to/dest/ |
| 19:37.01 | Nopalin | hello, can i boot an existing debian on a hd from the boot loader of a live cd? |
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| 19:37.16 | Iradieh | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm a newb |
| 19:37.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, mmm... maybe :) I just never used rsync (well, perhaps once) so I feel uncomfortable about it :) |
| 19:37.22 | \amethyst | crunge: you probably want -H too |
| 19:37.42 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it works |
| 19:38.00 | jelly | \amethyst: noone ever cares about sparse files! :'( |
| 19:38.05 | crunge | \amethyst: good call. Hadn't used that before |
| 19:38.11 | \amethyst | jelly: -H is to preserve hardlinks |
| 19:38.25 | \amethyst | which tar does by default |
| 19:38.32 | jelly | \amethyst: yes. you forgot to care about sparse files. |
| 19:38.35 | stew | or you just want to use dd/cp |
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| 19:38.45 | adama_ | use: rsync -Hav |
| 19:38.47 | jelly | or acls or xattrs ;-) |
| 19:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Iradieh, no worries :) just telling you... your method only works if you got plenty of diskspace - and btw, tar also has a "l" option to stay on only one filesystem, which probably saves you half (all?) of these excludes |
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| 19:38.53 | releod | where do I add a 2nd local loopback? |
| 19:38.58 | adama_ | or without v if you don't want a lot of output |
| 19:39.21 | stew | releod: what do you mean by loopback? |
| 19:39.26 | Iradieh | CutMeOwnThroat: OOoh thanks :D |
| 19:39.29 | Iradieh | huggles CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:40.33 | releod | stew: I want to setup 127.0.0.2 basically |
| 19:41.19 | stew | releod: ip a a 127.0.0.2/8 dev lo |
| 19:41.28 | crunge | darius12: If the drivers are buggy, would pci=routeirq make any difference? |
| 19:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nopalin, yes... can't find the right factoid |
| 19:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mompl |
| 19:41.50 | stew | releod: if you want to make that permanant, you can add that as an 'up' line to the lo stanza in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 19:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Nopalin about rescue mode |
| 19:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nopalin, see instructions/links in the message from dpkg |
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| 19:44.35 | releod | stew: I am fairly lost - any quick references online to read? |
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| 19:45.01 | crunge | releod: what do you want the second loopback for? |
| 19:45.07 | stew | releod: the interfaces manpage, the ip manpage |
| 19:45.41 | releod | crunge: Trying to setup ASSP with SSL - need the second loopback to close potential open relays |
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| 19:46.44 | micols | anyone got an Xircom 6mbit portgear usb1.1 to rj45 female adapter to work under linux? cannot find any driver for it |
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| 19:48.43 | crunge | releod: Do you need another interface or just another loopback IP? |
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| 19:50.16 | crunge | releod: having a lo:0 with 127.0.0.2 is perfectly valid |
| 19:51.27 | enouf | micols: good gosh - usb1.1 -> rj45? lmao |
| 19:51.37 | enouf | micols: try modprobing usbnet maybe? |
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| 19:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | micols, seems not... did you try #linux - or check the wiki page... http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB - that seems to say kaweth |
| 19:54.40 | abrotman | micols: it's an ethernet bridge device ? |
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| 19:54.48 | abrotman | micols: get the USBID from lsusb |
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| 19:58.00 | Computer | Where can I find proper documentation for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed... I think googling for the vendor/product ID should work a lot better than for the name |
| 19:58.11 | enouf | proper? |
| 19:58.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Computer, did you do man interfaces? |
| 19:58.22 | enouf | as opposed to improper? |
| 19:58.25 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: "man interfaces" |
| 19:58.26 | Computer | enouf, :r |
| 19:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ?? |
| 19:58.41 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: hi |
| 19:58.42 | stew | sorry |
| 19:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, improper... that's an angle definition, right? :) |
| 19:58.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, hi :) |
| 19:59.02 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: don't be obtuse |
| 19:59.09 | enouf | it's unbecoming of you :-P |
| 19:59.20 | enouf | you're "nice" .. remember that! |
| 19:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit! |
| 19:59.28 | stew | i'm sure he's acutely aware of that |
| 19:59.38 | enouf | har har .. :-) |
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| 20:00.40 | Computer | I want to set up a bridge, like the one that is shown on this page http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/qemu.html . I also want eth0 to have a static IP address, though. It tells me here that I should not configure eth0 outside of the br0 section. |
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| 20:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Computer, try "/msg dpkg bridge" and "/msg dpkg bridge setup" |
| 20:04.04 | chfwiggum | i try to mount a hdd with user access, owner is root. put it in fstab, mounted it also manually. here's mount> http://pastebin.ca/1279970 . when it's mounted i try to chown it but get feedback file is read-only. any other approaches? tia |
| 20:04.48 | teratoma | oh |
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| 20:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | chfwiggum, you can't use that driver for ntfs, it's readonly |
| 20:06.12 | chfwiggum | i thought its ntfs-3g installed |
| 20:06.46 | stew | chfwiggum: you can't use chown, ntfs doesn't support unix ownership/permissions, you have to set the ownership/modes of the files/directories at mount time |
| 20:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you mount with -t ntfs-3g ? |
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| 20:07.22 | chfwiggum | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, and never did before and worked |
| 20:07.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't look like "says type ntfs", not "type ntfs-3g" |
| 20:07.46 | enouf | user access == rw? or do you want ro? |
| 20:07.54 | chfwiggum | rw |
| 20:08.05 | enouf | well - duh - chown involves rw |
| 20:08.08 | enouf | !ntfsrw |
| 20:08.09 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 20:08.13 | chfwiggum | stew: ill have a look at that |
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| 20:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | chfwiggum, or are you saying root has write acces, just not the users? |
| 20:08.34 | chfwiggum | so in fstab just append user? |
| 20:08.37 | enouf | chfwiggum: you chown the /mnt/point |
| 20:08.50 | chfwiggum | CutMeOwnThroat: yes root has rw |
| 20:08.56 | chfwiggum | but only console wise |
| 20:08.59 | enouf | and mount as a user with uid, and gid - that's how i do it on vfat |
| 20:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "only console wise"? |
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| 20:09.45 | chfwiggum | well :) |
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| 20:10.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you should revise your pastebin a bit... this is not so useful |
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| 20:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, you could read the factoid on ntfs-3g (/msg dpkg ntfs-3g) |
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| 20:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but from what you've pasted it's totally unclear what the reason is |
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| 20:23.20 | dkagi | hi |
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| 20:25.41 | LoneWlf | hi! does anyone know, or can they point me in the right direction for adjustments to locales in debian? I selected something once on an apt-get upgrade or apt-get distupgrade and after that, I haven't been able to do some updates ... in a realistic time frame, it wants to go out and update locales for like an hour sometimes |
| 20:26.55 | J6Dof | i have a folder which is owned by root . when i perform "chown -R <my username> <folder adress>" in terminal owner of folders within that folder change but files are still owned by root. why is that ? |
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| 20:27.26 | \amethyst | LoneWlf: you could install locales-all so that the selected locales don't have to be built |
| 20:27.36 | jpinx | LoneWlf: did you reconfigure your locales? |
| 20:27.47 | \amethyst | J6Dof: is this NTFS, MS-DOS, or some other non-unix filesystem? |
| 20:28.03 | J6Dof | yes ntfs |
| 20:28.07 | FredZ | How do I download the correct source for the kernel I am running? |
| 20:28.11 | \amethyst | J6Dof: you can't chown on NTFS |
| 20:28.12 | jpinx | J6Dof: you might need to do that recusively |
| 20:28.29 | \amethyst | J6Dof: you have to specify the owner when you mount it with the -o uid=foo parameter |
| 20:28.40 | \amethyst | J6Dof: (or uid=foo in the options column in fstab) |
| 20:28.42 | J6Dof | jpinx : i am doing that by -R switch |
| 20:28.42 | lem0n | there isnt an iptables start/stop script is there? |
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| 20:28.58 | lem0n | by default on system i mean. |
| 20:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | lem0n, iptables-save iptables-restore |
| 20:29.05 | jpinx | J6Dof: slow connection here - that was before I saw it is ntfs |
| 20:29.10 | lem0n | ah k |
| 20:29.25 | jpinx | J6Dof: you might consider ntfs-3g |
| 20:29.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | lem0n, no, not an init-script - but those two commands write/restore the settings to/from stdout |
| 20:29.51 | J6Dof | \amethyst:but i didnt have this problem in ubuntu with defaults mount options in fstab |
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| 20:30.04 | \amethyst | J6Dof: you could chown on ubuntu? |
| 20:30.13 | J6Dof | jpinx:ntfs-3g is installed |
| 20:30.15 | \amethyst | J6Dof: maybe ntfs-3g will let you---that's probably what Ubuntu uses |
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| 20:30.35 | MetalliMyers | can you see my message? |
| 20:30.41 | jpinx | J6Dof: what version of debian? |
| 20:30.43 | themill | MetalliMyers: no |
| 20:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, heh, I wanted to be childish and say that! |
| 20:30.55 | J6Dof | \amethyst:yes.ntfs-3g is installed |
| 20:31.00 | LoneWlf | jpinx, amethyst: no and no, let me go and try |
| 20:31.00 | MetalliMyers | rofl, thanks |
| 20:31.03 | J6Dof | jpinix:lenny |
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| 20:31.20 | FredZ | Is there an iSCSI target package available for etch? |
| 20:31.37 | jpinx | J6Dof: I suggest ntfs-3g and read rtfm before you start |
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| 20:32.28 | lem0n | ahh i see, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 20:32.48 | \amethyst | hm, no, ntfs-3g doesn't let you chown either |
| 20:32.57 | J6Dof | yeah |
| 20:33.08 | \amethyst | no idea why it was working in Ubuntu then |
| 20:33.18 | jpinx | \amethyst: and J6Dof man ntfs-3g |
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| 20:33.21 | unixSnob | aptitude -y ... answers "y", as expected, but it does not answer "yes" to the more serious questions. How can I compell a "yes" answer for non-interactive runs? |
| 20:33.37 | \amethyst | jpinx: what am I supposed to be looking at there? |
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| 20:34.24 | LoneWlf | "\amethyst" |
| 20:34.39 | jpinx | the bit that tells you about mounting it rw for users other than root |
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| 20:34.55 | LoneWlf | didn't install all locales, that's kinda a waste of valuable disk space I didn't wnat to do, thank you for the suggestion though |
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| 20:35.03 | gsamsa | how do i able the users to mount ? |
| 20:35.09 | LoneWlf | jpinx: dpkg-reconfigure locales did the trick I think, now I have 3 :) |
| 20:35.09 | gsamsa | mount an iso for example? |
| 20:35.15 | gsamsa | is there a grou p' |
| 20:35.19 | gsamsa | *group ? |
| 20:35.28 | themill | dpkg: tell gsamsa about mount iso |
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| 20:35.44 | jpinx | LoneWlf: cool - you might want to aptitude clean if you're short of disc space |
| 20:35.51 | gsamsa | no |
| 20:36.00 | gsamsa | i know how to mount it |
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| 20:36.15 | gsamsa | i want that normal users be able to mount |
| 20:36.18 | gsamsa | not just root |
| 20:36.30 | abrotman | only root can mount an iso |
| 20:36.45 | gsamsa | ? |
| 20:36.48 | themill | gsamsa: You can write a helper script to do this and allow users to do it via sudo |
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| 20:37.08 | jpinx | gsamsa: just use sudo |
| 20:37.15 | J6Dof | gsamba: this might help you : http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/allow-normal-user-to-mount-linux-partitions-usb-stickpen-device.html |
| 20:37.38 | LoneWlf | jpinx: you're an absolute wealth of data |
| 20:37.43 | LoneWlf | specific to me even |
| 20:37.45 | LoneWlf | ty |
| 20:37.51 | Vorbote | gsamsa, or you can use a fuse-based mounting service like fuseiso (in the case of iso files) |
| 20:37.59 | jpinx | LoneWlf: yw |
| 20:38.24 | gsamsa | thanks |
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| 20:41.32 | Linuturk | new server. etch or lenny? |
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| 20:42.02 | Guerin | Linuturk: etch or etchnhalf |
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| 20:51.03 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 20:51.11 | eptalon | has songbird been packaged yet? |
| 20:51.33 | apelgate | hi. how do I make 226.0.0.2 and 226.0.0.3 to loopback addresses like 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 20:51.37 | karsten | eptalon: p.d.o |
| 20:51.43 | karsten | apelgate: You don't. |
| 20:51.49 | apelgate | I need to |
| 20:52.00 | karsten | apelgate: See previous response. |
| 20:52.02 | karsten | apelgate: Why? |
| 20:52.18 | apelgate | make some tests |
| 20:52.26 | eptalon | karsten: not as songbird |
| 20:52.32 | karsten | Not good enough. |
| 20:52.40 | karsten | apelgate: ^^ |
| 20:53.23 | apelgate | I got a server where an application is scanning those addresses and getting no response. I would like to see how it acts if the interfaces exist |
| 20:54.32 | jelly-hme | smells like multicast |
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| 20:55.38 | deever | hi |
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| 20:55.54 | eptalon | heya |
| 20:56.01 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 20:56.07 | apelgate | ahhh |
| 20:56.10 | apelgate | multicast |
| 20:56.12 | apelgate | hmmm |
| 20:56.37 | karsten | apelgate: See RFC 1700, 1918, 2893, 3330, 3513, 260 |
| 20:56.59 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
| 20:57.02 | jelly-hme | you're a true fountain of rfcs! |
| 20:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:57.32 | jelly-hme | recognizes only 1918 |
| 20:57.52 | karsten | is a true fountain of google. |
| 20:58.19 | apelgate | ok karlpinc thanks |
| 20:58.20 | jelly-hme | ah, a human wrapper for The Search Engin |
| 20:58.27 | apelgate | ops.. karsten . |
| 20:58.32 | apelgate | sorry wrong tab |
| 20:58.33 | apelgate | :-) |
| 20:58.48 | jelly-hme | karsten: horny teenage broccoli |
| 20:58.57 | eptalon | Suppose I have a harddisk image; is there a way to prevent debian from chaning the nic from eth0 to eth1 when the mac changes? |
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| 20:59.06 | karsten | apelgate: And yeah, 226 is multicast: http://xkcd.com/195/ |
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| 20:59.13 | karsten | !win jelly-hme |
| 20:59.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-hme! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:59.29 | jelly-hme | in your face, 'bama! |
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| 20:59.56 | karsten | jelly-hme: http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/i_vant_to_suck_your_broccoli_23 |
| 21:00.02 | karsten | jelly-hme: There you go. |
| 21:00.18 | jelly-hme | "I vant to suck your broccoli: 23 unusual vampire variations" |
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| 21:00.35 | jelly-hme | TBH I yam a veggie eater. |
| 21:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you are all gaga |
| 21:01.04 | jelly-hme | a killer queen |
| 21:01.41 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.18 | karsten | apelgate: And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast You *might* be able to do an ipfw rule to forward packets to localhost. but that's a bad hack. |
| 21:02.23 | tziku | hello, i want to make a network server. I have debian a 256ip class and i need to know how to set limits and give extern ip to all users. Thanks. |
| 21:02.35 | tziku | internet provider server* |
| 21:02.36 | karsten | jelly-hme: You're a vegitarian vampire? |
| 21:02.49 | karsten | jelly-hme: ... subsisting by plant-based hemoglobin only? |
| 21:02.55 | jelly-hme | karsten: they said ve vere running out of ze ip space, didn't zey? |
| 21:03.27 | karsten | jelly-hme: Yes, ze IP vampirez are sucking our Internatz dry. |
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| 21:04.01 | J6Dof | how can i view files as thumbnail in nautilus ? nothing in gconf-editor |
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| 21:04.39 | eptalon | What do you guys recommend as a general music player (beyond vlc)? -amarok? |
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| 21:05.56 | cahoot | mplayer |
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| 21:06.10 | mplabs | Hi. In which Debian repositories can I found the PHP 5.3 package ? |
| 21:06.12 | karsten | eptalon: Yes. Or rhythmbox if you're gnomish. I like amarok myself. |
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| 21:06.20 | karsten | !tell mplabs about search |
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| 21:08.00 | tziku | How can i make an ISP Server ? I want to give at specific MAC Addresses external IP, and set limits (up/dl). Can somebody help me please ? |
| 21:08.13 | eptalon | karsten: amarok looks slow? |
| 21:08.21 | sk4 | eptalon: mpd |
| 21:08.31 | eptalon | sk4: ?? |
| 21:08.50 | eptalon | or my music collection may have grown a little |
| 21:08.57 | sk4 | music player daemon |
| 21:09.07 | ConSi | tziku: if you want to be an isp - look for lms (http://lms.org.pl/) |
| 21:09.09 | ConSi | :) |
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| 21:09.44 | ConSi | tziku: http://lms.org.pl/?lang=en |
| 21:10.10 | tziku | thanks ConSi i will read there |
| 21:10.48 | ConSi | np :) |
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| 21:13.41 | jelly-hme | tziku: you want to make a router and some bandwidth limiting? |
| 21:14.49 | ConSi | tziku: if you wan;t only a router, with no payments system, and users managing, then user m0n0wall, qquick and easy ;] |
| 21:14.56 | ConSi | quick* |
| 21:14.56 | scientes | how can i run debian fully from nfs or another network storage? |
| 21:15.23 | apelgate | karsten: if it is multicast I won't touch it |
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| 21:16.46 | ConSi | scientes: from nfs it may be a bit problematic, better use iscsi |
| 21:16.47 | ConSi | ;) |
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| 21:17.30 | ConSi | scientes: http://iscsi-init.sourceforge.net/HOWTO.html |
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| 21:17.59 | scientes | i want to do en live migration |
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| 21:18.02 | apelgate | thank's anyway karsten. Now I know where to look for my answer |
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| 21:18.51 | ConSi | scientes: "how can i run debian", you mean boot the system via network ? |
| 21:19.13 | scientes | ConSi, well i believe xen loads the kernel seperate |
| 21:20.23 | abrotman | !diskless |
| 21:20.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, lessdisks is a debian package for creating diskless (x)terminals |
| 21:20.26 | kingsley | Why would outbound ping and ssh fail on a newly installed box, when its DNS, and inbound ping and ssh work? |
| 21:20.28 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 21:20.53 | ConSi | kingsley: ou don't have setup default route |
| 21:20.57 | ConSi | your gateway |
| 21:20.57 | ConSi | ;) |
| 21:21.03 | ConSi | you* |
| 21:21.19 | ConSi | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:21.35 | ConSi | or: # route add default gw GATEWAY_IP |
| 21:22.14 | abrotman | kingsley: can you even ping your gateway ? |
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| 21:23.18 | kingsley | ConSi: Thanks. I agree that your explanation is plausible, but other networking applications, like iceweasel and apt-get work, so I expect the default route is OK. Does that make sense? |
| 21:23.21 | ConSi | abrotman: if he has inbound traffic, and newly installed box without configured iptables then he has to be able ping gateway |
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| 21:23.24 | ConSi | ;;) |
| 21:23.52 | ConSi | kingsley: maybe you have setup proxy |
| 21:24.14 | ConSi | and this proxy is in your network |
| 21:24.19 | ConSi | kingsley: show me route -nv |
| 21:24.21 | ConSi | ;) |
| 21:25.11 | kingsley | abrotman: That's a good question. Yes, the newly installed system can ping my gateway. Perhaps the destination systems are ignoring ping and ssh packets. |
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| 21:25.24 | eptalon | heya |
| 21:25.26 | eptalon | s |
| 21:25.34 | ConSi | hi eptalon |
| 21:25.50 | eptalon | I have a raid5 that just went dow,n and is now resyncing (softraid) |
| 21:26.00 | Jacob_H | hi everyone. On starting up this evening, fsck scanned the disk I use for / and reported some errors. I ran fsck manually and it reported various errors in /usr/lib/xorg/modules (which it then "cleared"--if that's the right term). Is this usually a sign that the disk is on its way out? I assume it is, but thought I ought to check first! |
| 21:26.18 | eptalon | is there any danger in powering off the machine? |
| 21:26.29 | kingsley | ConSi: Here's the output from executing the "route -nv" command on the newly installed system... |
| 21:26.51 | kingsley | Kernel IP routing table |
| 21:26.51 | kingsley | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 21:26.51 | kingsley | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:26.51 | kingsley | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 21:27.08 | ConSi | ;p |
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| 21:27.22 | eptalon | Jacob_H: A sure sign is the Drive ready seek complete errors, what you see are just filesystem errors |
| 21:27.24 | ConSi | kingsley: 192.168.0.1 its your gateway, yes ? |
| 21:27.38 | eptalon | Jacob_H: as much as you told us. |
| 21:27.43 | kingsley | ConSi: Yes. |
| 21:27.57 | abrotman | ConSi: that's not true |
| 21:27.58 | eptalon | Jacob_H: backups do no harm though |
| 21:28.28 | ConSi | abrotman: yes, if gateway has blocked icmp-echo-reply |
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| 21:28.34 | kingsley | wonders whether his gateway is forwarding ping and ssh packets... |
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| 21:28.46 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 21:29.04 | Jacob_H | eptalon: Thanks. If you don't mind me asking, what would cause a filesystem error of this sort? |
| 21:29.25 | abrotman | kingsley: paste your interfaces file in a pastebin |
| 21:29.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jacob_H, maybe... look what S.M.A.R.T tells you about the disk to gain some insights (if the disk does have SMART, that is) |
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| 21:30.07 | ConSi | kingsley: traceproto -p icmp |
| 21:30.09 | Jacob_H | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, of course. I'd forgotten about SMART. |
| 21:30.09 | eptalon | Jacob_H: No idea; bad writes, but you report an error in /usr/lib (which is kinda data that does not get written often) |
| 21:30.13 | kingsley | ConSi & abrotman : Unless you object, I'll run ethereal on one of the inaccessible systems, and see if ping packets are arriving, but not being echoed. |
| 21:30.17 | digicon | after changing crontab, do i need to restart cron? |
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| 21:30.21 | ConSi | kingsley: to a random host on the net ;-p |
| 21:30.26 | stew | digicon: no |
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| 21:30.35 | eptalon | digicon: nope. |
| 21:30.39 | digicon | thx |
| 21:30.40 | digicon | \q |
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| 21:30.49 | eptalon | digicon: cron restarts about once a minute |
| 21:31.07 | kingsley | ConSi: Do you happen to know which package contains traceproto? |
| 21:31.12 | Jacob_H | eptalon: OK. Thanks |
| 21:31.42 | eptalon | Jacob_H: and ofc smart can tell you more about the state of your disk. |
| 21:31.46 | ConSi | kingsley: apt-get install traceproto |
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| 21:32.07 | eptalon | exit |
| 21:32.10 | ConSi | kingsley: its traceroute with more options (eg. protocol selection) |
| 21:33.03 | stew | traceroute lets you chose protocols |
| 21:33.23 | Jacob_H | fails to remember how to run smartctl, which shows how frequently he runs it :-s |
| 21:33.27 | abrotman | kingsley: interfaces file ? |
| 21:34.44 | kingsley | ConSi & abrotman : ping works to hosts not on my private net, so perhaps my gateway isn't routing packets to my local network, which, in retrospect, seems reasonable. |
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| 21:37.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am having problems installing KDE4.1 from experimental. Getting the following dependency issues http://pastie.org/334344 .. |
| 21:37.44 | kingsley | ConSi: "apt-get install traceproto" reports "Package traceproto is not available, but is referred to by another package" |
| 21:37.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | need help |
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| 21:37.58 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:39.56 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you go to #debian-kde for help with that |
| 21:40.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok thank you |
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| 21:41.23 | abrotman | kingsley: seems gone in lenny |
| 21:41.31 | kingsley | ConSi & abrotman : I'm happy to report that my so called "gateway", also has a configurable routing table. |
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| 21:42.30 | eptalon | Anyone here have experience with RAID, can I safely power down a rebuliding raid system, or do I have to wait for the rebuild to finish? |
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| 21:43.08 | eptalon | Its software raid? |
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| 21:43.54 | Knorrie | better to wait, or it will start all over again with the rebuild |
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| 21:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | eptalon, ha, I never tried that.... and I don't think I will |
| 21:44.44 | eptalon | CutMeOwnThroat: System works like a charm, otherwise |
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| 21:45.15 | eptalon | Knorrie: that doesnt matter, I od have the time tomorrow. |
| 21:45.45 | Knorrie | eptalon: you can shut it down without causing breakage |
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| 21:45.48 | abrotman | eptalon: as long as the system knows which is bad .. i'd think it would be okay |
| 21:46.02 | abrotman | eptalon: the drive should technically still be marked as bad while rebuilding |
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| 21:46.46 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 21:46.46 | eptalon | abrotman: its not a bad drive; I hit the reset button on an unresponsive system |
| 21:46.52 | abrotman | cute |
| 21:46.54 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
| 21:47.26 | eptalon | abrotman: zfs might do away with that; but solaris is so slooow... |
| 21:47.32 | micols | are there any open wifi hal drivers which allows you to change transmit power of your card? |
| 21:47.41 | abrotman | zfs is available for linux via FUSE |
| 21:47.50 | eptalon | abrotman: where? |
| 21:47.52 | micols | to more than normal :) |
| 21:47.54 | abrotman | micols: doesn't that sound dangerous ? |
| 21:47.55 | eptalon | abrotman: Link? |
| 21:48.02 | micols | abrotman: dangerous? |
| 21:48.12 | abrotman | micols: tesla! |
| 21:48.15 | abrotman | micols: ask #wireless |
| 21:48.25 | abrotman | eptalon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Linux |
| 21:48.27 | micols | fcc rules put aside, just for testing, i know my atheros is closedsource hal binary |
| 21:48.31 | abrotman | fuse.sf.net |
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| 21:48.39 | abrotman | i think |
| 21:48.47 | micols | so one can only change tx power within allowed fcc range |
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| 21:48.53 | micols | but the card can do more. |
| 21:49.05 | micols | also other frequencies would be nice :) |
| 21:49.06 | PeterFA | What's a good password generator that does strong unpronouncible passwords? |
| 21:49.13 | abrotman | eptalon: maybe it's not done yet |
| 21:49.20 | PeterFA | (hopefully on default) |
| 21:49.27 | PeterFA | Command line too. |
| 21:49.28 | abrotman | pwgen |
| 21:49.32 | PeterFA | abrotman, thanks. |
| 21:50.03 | eptalon | abrotman: looks like half the speed of XFS.. |
| 21:50.29 | abrotman | i didn't realize speed was the issue .. i thought you were interested in data integrity |
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| 21:51.01 | eptalon | abrotman: that too; but I run XFS on pretty much all my lvm volumes |
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| 21:51.31 | eptalon | abrotman: which works surprisingly well, as a fs. |
| 21:51.33 | micols | i run xfs on all my systems as well, its pretty stable, unless you got memory problems :) |
| 21:51.50 | eptalon | micols: It does ont like power outages.. |
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| 21:52.16 | micols | it should do, its journalling |
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| 21:52.26 | abrotman | eptalon: that's been fixed for awhile |
| 21:52.27 | eptalon | and ofc the "basic issue" with lvm is that it is not too smart.. |
| 21:53.19 | eptalon | so the idea of Sun to make something copy-on-writze, and transactional sounds good. |
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| 21:53.46 | eptalon | 44min to go... |
| 21:53.48 | flobbie | hi |
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| 21:53.54 | eptalon | hello flobbie |
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| 21:54.14 | Guerin | eptalon: what was that ... Sun ... good idea? |
| 21:54.19 | Guerin | !pal eptalon |
| 21:54.19 | dpkg | points at eptalon and laughs |
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| 21:55.06 | flobbie | can you help me with iptables? I can't ping from inside. I can ping to localhost. What is wrong here? http://pastie.org/334326 - I can't use apt-get, but I can ping my server from outside. |
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| 21:56.09 | eptalon | Guerin: I was talking about zfs (compared to the linux approach with a dumb lvm layer) |
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| 21:57.16 | eptalon | Guerin: abrotman pointed out zfs is available via fuse; however the websites I have seen talk about slow perfomance.. |
| 21:57.27 | stew | what is dumb about the lvm layer? |
| 21:57.45 | stew | actually nm. i can't imagine this producing a useful discussion |
| 21:58.00 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 21:58.01 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for stew |
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| 21:58.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !abrotman |
| 21:58.44 | dpkg | abrotman is probably someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour, or one of the few nicks you can complete with left hand and four presses |
| 21:58.58 | abrotman | wtf was that for .. |
| 21:58.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | xD |
| 21:59.04 | eptalon | stew: In very broad terms: the lvm layer is unaware of the logical structure |
| 21:59.34 | flobbie | Is there any rule missing? "iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT" - So why can't I ping? |
| 21:59.38 | eptalon | stew: It sees "blocks" |
| 22:01.01 | stew | so? |
| 22:01.13 | stew | (and itym "extents") |
| 22:01.22 | abrotman | flobbie: tried #iptables |
| 22:02.37 | eptalon | stew: in case of a rebuild, it goes over all blocks (extents), and not just the "changed ones" |
| 22:03.02 | stew | eptalon: what do you mean be "rebuild" and what is "it" in "it goes over all blocks" |
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| 22:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, to warn us about you :) |
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| 22:03.38 | abrotman | oh .. that poll is so long gone .. and i was winning |
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| 22:03.48 | abrotman | blames pseubodot |
| 22:03.50 | eptalon | stew: My RAID5 failed; to rebuild, the computer (lvm layer) compares the whole array, extent by extent. |
| 22:03.58 | pseubodot | blames abrotman |
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| 22:04.22 | eptalon | stew: If it was at the fs layer, it wouild see that perhaps 10M would be "dirty".. |
| 22:04.34 | stew | what does raid5 have to do with lvm? |
| 22:05.00 | eptalon | stew: its one of the fubctionalities offered. |
| 22:05.32 | eptalon | stew: basically the reason I use it for (besides being able to grow "volumes" |
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| 22:06.45 | eptalon | no matter, Its OT |
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| 22:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | eptalon, haha... German speaking... (you can't use reason that way in English - you'd say "one of the reasons why I use it" or "one of the things I use it for" |
| 22:07.15 | flobbie | abrotman: they didn't help me. |
| 22:07.28 | abrotman | flobbie: i'd wait, they're slow but good |
| 22:07.48 | abrotman | !tell flobbie about iptables |
| 22:07.48 | Tramp | flobbie: never DROP without a LOG in front. |
| 22:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it makes perfect sense when you translate it word-by-word, though :) |
| 22:08.02 | stew | eptalon: you are telling me that lvm provides raid5 functionality? |
| 22:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps not |
| 22:08.31 | Tramp | flobbie: if you think your problem is iptables-related, log your drops to see what's wrong. |
| 22:08.33 | eptalon | stew: I am telling you that lvm interfaces to the device-mapper that does. |
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| 22:09.15 | flobbie | I will try. |
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| 22:09.50 | eptalon | CutMeOwnThroat: You actually can; but I am not a linguist, and I won't argue with you. |
| 22:09.56 | stew | eptalon: ok, so your problem is not with lvm at all, but with device mapper? |
| 22:10.08 | [biabia] | i have a dual boot with debian and fedora, and the debian install only lets me use resolution of 640x480. |
| 22:10.19 | stew | eptalon: wait, what is the lvm interface that provides raid5? |
| 22:11.23 | eptalon | stew: Long ago, I tried to point out that ZFS on solaris provides "raid-like" features, while most FSes on linux need ot rely on dm/LVM for that functionality. |
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| 22:11.50 | DelphiWorld | hi debian users |
| 22:11.59 | eptalon | hello there |
| 22:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | eptalon, mmm.. well, no native speaker also... but for me it didn't make sense until I translated it (that's why I was laughing - suddenly I could understand it by translating) |
| 22:12.40 | eptalon | CutMeOwnThroat: It actually is correct English, IIRC. |
| 22:12.47 | stew | eptalon: ok, nevermind. i just thought you were saying that lvm was dumb, and I counldn't figure out why, that is all. it turns out that you aren't talking at all about lvm, so nevermind |
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| 22:13.23 | FredZ | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 22:13.23 | FredZ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 22:13.41 | FredZ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
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| 22:14.13 | eptalon | stew: With my lvm statement i was trying to say: If lvm had the information about the FS (which is a level above) it could porbably work better in some cases. Lets stop flogging though, horse is dead? |
| 22:14.15 | FredZ | How can I resolve the above error |
| 22:14.27 | stew | eptalon: you mean raid, not lvm |
| 22:15.00 | FredZ | I did run apt-get update |
| 22:15.02 | eptalon | stew: the layer which manages softraid functionality, the dm, not lvm. |
| 22:15.07 | stew | right |
| 22:15.59 | stew | but i certainly don't see why a block device should know anything about the contents of the blocks. i don't, for intsance, think my scsi drivers should know anything about the filesystems I store on my scsi drives |
| 22:16.01 | eptalon | stew: LVM basically provides a way around rigit partitions. |
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| 22:16.29 | stew | i'm very familiar with lvm, i think i use it on every machine i admin |
| 22:16.39 | DelphiWorld | please any debian user here ? |
| 22:16.43 | supersoundguy | FredZ: is it the machine you are IRCing from? |
| 22:16.50 | stew | DelphiWorld: hundreds of debian users |
| 22:16.59 | FredZ | No |
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| 22:17.17 | DelphiWorld | please chat with me in a private message window bicose i have a problem with the chat room window. i'm a blind user and my screen reader dont interface with the room window |
| 22:17.27 | eptalon | stew: suppose XFS supported RAID, Ißd prefer these functions to be handled by XFS (the file system) rather than an abstract layer that does not know about the FS. |
| 22:17.33 | supersoundguy | FredZ: do you have an active internet connection (are your interfaces up and working correctly)? |
| 22:18.01 | eptalon | stew: It was a conscious design decision; like any of these, there are benefits and drawbacks either way. |
| 22:18.03 | deanrantala | Just curious... I have 3 conputers now at home running [lenny] and have noticed the keyboards on each randomly (not often though) just 'dies'. syslogs show nothing wrong. Never happened with etch, sid, potato, etc. Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this? Think I should (gasp) file a bug report? All using different keyboards (2 USB the other PS2) and different cpu/mobo. |
| 22:18.04 | jelly-hme | stew: the fs can benefit if it knows about the geometry of the underlying device; stripe size, etc; xfs takes that into account |
| 22:18.13 | pmzdotz | how to install ndiswrapper.ko ? google not much help |
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| 22:18.15 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: if you have a question, you should ask it |
| 22:18.18 | stew | jelly-hme: sure |
| 22:18.40 | FredZ | supersoundguy: yes, I have been installing packages on that server already today and I have a current ssh session open to the server |
| 22:18.58 | jelly-hme | ZFS is a weird mix of lvm and fs and it seems to work very well |
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| 22:19.30 | supersoundguy | can you ping the package mirrors? |
| 22:19.36 | eptalon | jelly-hme: Except that on solaris it is slow; but overall, solaris is lsower than linux. |
| 22:19.50 | stew | but saying "lvm is dumb becuase raid5 rebuilds aren't as efficient as possible" is like saying "reiserfs is dumb becuase fsking an ext3 volume takes too long" |
| 22:19.55 | stoned | considerate of blind folks, arent we |
| 22:20.24 | eptalon | stew: Ill stop flogging now. |
| 22:20.44 | abrotman | stoned: using a windows IRC client? |
| 22:21.05 | stoned | yes... irssi is a windows program. |
| 22:21.13 | FredZ | supersoundguy: yes, I can ping all the external deb server from the server I am attempting to updae. |
| 22:21.47 | abrotman | stoned: him, not you .. if you want to, go ahead and msg him ... but if you don't, don't make us out to be the bad guys |
| 22:22.02 | stoned | I'm sorry? I didn't say anything. |
| 22:22.06 | abrotman | right |
| 22:23.50 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 22:23.51 | pmzdotz | how to fix fatal error when doing modprobe ndiswrapper? somehow ndiswrapper.ko is missing |
| 22:23.52 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
| 22:24.05 | abrotman | pmzdotz: did you install it? |
| 22:24.10 | abrotman | and how did you install it? |
| 22:24.10 | pmzdotz | ye |
| 22:24.12 | pmzdotz | s |
| 22:24.35 | pmzdotz | apt-get install ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils |
| 22:24.54 | abrotman | m-a a-i ndiswrapper ? |
| 22:24.58 | abrotman | you have to install the module |
| 22:25.04 | abrotman | !tell pmzdotz about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:25.11 | pmzdotz | how? |
| 22:25.17 | abrotman | the bot just told you |
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| 22:26.27 | pmzdotz | m-a not familiar, i tried it and says command not found |
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| 22:26.41 | abrotman | pmzdotz: read what the bot told you |
| 22:26.45 | abrotman | !tell pmzdotz about ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 22:27.18 | pmzdotz | sorry, don't know how to do that |
| 22:27.23 | Winnipeger | hi... for some reason I can't choose the mp3 format in sound-juicer |
| 22:27.32 | abrotman | pmzdotz: you can't read what the bot told you ? |
| 22:27.36 | abrotman | !tell Winnipeger about lame |
| 22:27.42 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:27.43 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is probably as root: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Then install the NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page. |
| 22:28.07 | pmzdotz | m-a a-i ndiswrapper ? |
| 22:28.24 | abrotman | pmzdotz: read it .. it's right there .. tells you how to do it |
| 22:28.27 | abrotman | it's only a single line! |
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| 22:30.23 | pmzdotz | thanks, i'll look into it. |
| 22:30.31 | Winnipeger | thank you abrotman ... I have installed the lame deb for testing from debian multimedia... but after restarting sound-juicer I still cannot select mp3 as an output format. |
| 22:30.56 | Winnipeger | I have also checked under profiles to be sure that the mp3 format is "active", and that is checked. |
| 22:31.02 | abrotman | Winnipeger: did you look in the /usr/share/doc/sound-juicer/ to see if it has any notes about it ? |
| 22:31.09 | Winnipeger | will do |
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| 22:34.28 | Winnipeger | thanks abrotman ... the notes said it also needed the gstreamer lame plugin. Working great now. Cheers |
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| 22:34.55 | supersoundguy | FredZ: what is the keyid of your Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key? `sudo apt-key list` |
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| 22:42.48 | Bart-Simpson-Lvs | Algum Brasileiro ai? |
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| 22:43.32 | AciD | hi, I launched a `cp -arv dir_foo dir_bar` from my laptop #1 through ssh on my server. laptop #1 display crashed. Is there anyway I could get back the bash session I opened from laptop #1 on my second laptop (still through sh) ? |
| 22:43.37 | Bart-Simpson-Lvs | HELP INSTALL NTFS-3G IN DEBIAN ETCH????? |
| 22:43.41 | AciD | (one point, I didn't used screen for initiating the bash session in the first place :/) |
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| 22:44.12 | Guerin | !irritate Bart-Simpson-Lvs |
| 22:44.12 | dpkg | Bart-Simpson-Lvs: wenas who uses cable hello? |
| 22:44.22 | stew | Bart-Simpson-Lvs: please turn off your caps lock |
| 22:44.45 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 22:44.47 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
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| 22:44.57 | stew | Bart-Simpson-Lvs: ntfs-3g is available as a backport for etch: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 22:45.23 | Bart-Simpson-Lvs | stew, ok thanks |
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| 22:56.29 | GhostlyDeath | I got the linux-source-2.6 package and I made a kernel image, but I want to use 2.6.28-11 not 2.6.28 |
| 22:57.24 | abrotman | use a different number oy mean ? |
| 22:57.30 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: which version of debian ? |
| 22:58.09 | GhostlyDeath | well, the .deb it creates, I want it to replace my existing linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 22:58.24 | GhostlyDeath | from the testing repository |
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| 23:00.28 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: lenny has a .26 kernel .. if you want a .28-rc .. you'll get the source from kernel.org and use make-kpkg to create your new kernel |
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| 23:00.36 | abrotman | stoned: your ISP hates you :) |
| 23:00.47 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: I meant .26 |
| 23:00.56 | snikker | in debian bluetooth work with kde4? |
| 23:01.01 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using Debian's .26 |
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| 23:01.06 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde .. kde4 isn't in debian |
| 23:01.21 | snikker | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 23:01.37 | dpkg | hmm... kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 23:01.42 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: so change the version ? |
| 23:02.01 | octox2 | anyone here try Helix? It seems to me that the installer is crap. |
| 23:02.15 | abrotman | octox2: the player or the distro ? |
| 23:02.16 | octox2 | just freezes after the partitioner |
| 23:02.19 | octox2 | distro |
| 23:02.20 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: --version=2.6.26-1 ? |
| 23:02.24 | abrotman | octox2: this is #debian, not #helix |
| 23:02.31 | abrotman | !tell octox2 about helix |
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| 23:02.39 | abrotman | bah .. wrong one |
| 23:02.39 | octox2 | i dont think there is a #helix is there? |
| 23:02.43 | abrotman | pmzdotz: glad to hear it |
| 23:03.01 | pmzdotz | thank you |
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| 23:03.05 | abrotman | octox2: then try ##linux .. we cannot support debian-based distros |
| 23:03.18 | octox2 | either way, I just wanted to say that ubuntu should get back to copying debian again |
| 23:03.33 | abrotman | also not related ... |
| 23:03.55 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 23:03.57 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 23:04.01 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
| 23:04.13 | deever | oops.. |
| 23:04.25 | deever | sorry for doubling |
| 23:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !echo |
| 23:04.40 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
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| 23:06.11 | deever | !foobar |
| 23:06.12 | dpkg | from memory, foobar is a term very generally used name for absolutely anything, esp. programs, files, functions, and such. See foo and bar. It has a complex relation to another term called "fubar." For more info, see "mantra.". FTP Operation Over Big Address Records RFC163. Also read the Etymology of "Foo", RFC3092. |
| 23:06.37 | deever | !ya_gramma |
| 23:06.51 | deever | ;) |
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| 23:08.06 | Brutus | i've got a question, i just installed a hardware port multiplier, configured as jbod. i used to use this command to mount my harddisk: 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hdd2' that doesn't work anymore. |
| 23:08.11 | Brutus | how do i find my harddisk now? |
| 23:08.20 | GhostlyDeath | How do I change the version number when I compile a kernel for Debian? |
| 23:08.20 | pmzdotz | how to get iwconfig display the wireless port? ndiswrapper -l shows driver is installed |
| 23:08.51 | onetinsoldier | GhostlyDeath: are you using makekpkg? |
| 23:09.00 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg* |
| 23:09.07 | GhostlyDeath | onetinsoldier: yes |
| 23:09.35 | GhostlyDeath | I used --revision but I want to make a package that replaces 2.6.28-1-686 |
| 23:09.45 | GhostlyDeath | err 26 |
| 23:09.59 | onetinsoldier | i recommend you check this out. i believe it can be altered to suit your taste... |
| 23:10.04 | GhostlyDeath | I don't want to replace linux-image-2.6.26 |
| 23:10.09 | onetinsoldier | !pk mantra |
| 23:10.25 | onetinsoldier | oops.. i can't type for nothing |
| 23:10.31 | onetinsoldier | !kp mantra |
| 23:10.32 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 23:12.30 | onetinsoldier | yo can also edit the the file /etc/kernel-pkg.conf there's a man page for it too.. man kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 23:13.07 | titanix88 | #debian-dev |
| 23:13.14 | ringo999 | on lenney iceweasel 3.0.3 gnash 0.8.4 doest not seem to work. on you tube it flash video loads but doesnt play (black screen)? |
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| 23:14.01 | titanix88 | what's the debian developers channel? |
| 23:14.36 | onetinsoldier | it's debian-devel i think |
| 23:14.42 | Guerin | titanix88: there isn't one. |
| 23:14.49 | laran | hello, im having a problem running some scripts, if im in the script directory and type ./script it works, if im out of that directory and do /home/user/script it tells me it can't find config file, anyway of solving this ? |
| 23:15.04 | Guerin | DDs are too busy to answer damn-fool questions on irc |
| 23:15.10 | onetinsoldier | there is a debian-devel channel |
| 23:15.28 | titanix88 | ok... |
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| 23:15.37 | Brutus | i've got a question, i just installed a hardware port multiplier (it's a device so you can plug 5 harddisks on 1 sata port, like a usb switch), configured as jbod. i used to use this command to mount my harddisk: 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hdd2' that doesn't work anymore. if i hook it up to my windows machine it recognizes the harddisks directly, but it's unable to mount ext3 (offcourse). now i'm not able to find sdb1. where can i find the har |
| 23:15.40 | Guerin | onetinsoldier: there may be a channel in which some DDs lurk, but that's not enough to make it a DD channel |
| 23:16.12 | onetinsoldier | Guerin: ok, roger that. |
| 23:16.20 | Guerin | if you want to converse with DDs as a group, email debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
| 23:16.31 | Guerin | if you want to converse with one, email them personally |
| 23:17.09 | Brutus | oh btw, i'm not so good with linux, maybe i'm just looking the wrong way |
| 23:17.34 | Guerin | Brutus: your statement got truncated at ``find the har' |
| 23:17.40 | Guerin | might be worth reposting the last bit |
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| 23:19.00 | onetinsoldier | i've got xsnow working for x86_64! if anyone want's it let me know... |
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| 23:19.29 | Brutus | ohh |
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| 23:19.39 | Brutus | yeah, i lost my harddisk, i can't find it! :) like that? |
| 23:19.44 | stew | onetinsoldier: how did you get it working? |
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| 23:21.07 | onetinsoldier | stew: i had to edit the Makefile and one of the header files, toon.h. and then of course install some packages that i did not have that were needed by it |
| 23:21.43 | titanix88 | Guerin: Can you tell me where can i submit a patch to a specific program which is no longer maintained upstream? I know the maintainers mail address, but it must pass some soliciting, right? |
| 23:22.05 | stew | onetinsoldier: then it would be illegal for you to redistribute it |
| 23:22.23 | titanix88 | Guerin: I mean the package is only existent in debian repo. |
| 23:22.42 | gravity | titanix88: Just use reportbug |
| 23:22.52 | Guerin | titanix88: file a bug against the package using reportbug. Check bugs.debian.org before doing so just so you're aware of all the context. |
| 23:23.13 | titanix88 | gravity: It's not bug. I added some feature. |
| 23:23.27 | Guerin | titanix88: bug reports are used for all this sort of maintenance. |
| 23:23.32 | Guerin | call it an issue if you prefer |
| 23:23.39 | gravity | titanix88: All bug databases are used for such things |
| 23:23.47 | gravity | Or should be |
| 23:23.53 | onetinsoldier | stew: according to the readme.. what i did is just fine. well, i did edit a header file, but it was only to help it find a file that it needed, just the same that was needed by editing the Makefile. read the last part of the README. i don't think there is any problem with doing what i did and redistributing it. again, make sure to read the last part of his README |
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| 23:24.11 | gravity | titanix88: File it as a wishlist bug and add the patch tag. reportbug makes this very easy. |
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| 23:24.31 | titanix88 | gravity: ok. Thanks. Guys. |
| 23:24.37 | ioudas | Hello i have debian 4.0 I installed apache2 and it wont uninstall.. However it wont start or work either. How do i forefully remove all of it? |
| 23:24.49 | ioudas | i tried apt-get remove apache2 |
| 23:25.24 | joltcan | ioudas: find out what the packets are called with dpkg -l |grep apache, then you can do dpkg -P packagename to remove the package (and configs) |
| 23:25.24 | Guerin | remove the -common package |
| 23:25.30 | Guerin | ioudas: ^^ |
| 23:25.32 | themill | ioudas: how does it not work? (either apache2 or apt-get remove) |
| 23:25.34 | stew | onetinsoldier: the license prohibits most modifications |
| 23:25.37 | titanix88 | Guerin: Thank you too. |
| 23:25.42 | Guerin | titanix88: welcome. |
| 23:26.11 | onetinsoldier | stew: It *is* allowed to package Xsnow for Unix/Linux. distributions, CD-Roms etc, and to make the necessary changes to makefiles etc. to facilitate this. ...that's a direct quote from his REAMDE |
| 23:26.54 | stew | onetinsoldier: right, but not what you are doing, but whatever, not my problem |
| 23:27.26 | onetinsoldier | stew.. sorry, i don't understand? |
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| 23:27.59 | onetinsoldier | stew: how much more clear could it be from his readme? |
| 23:28.11 | ioudas | remove apache common didnt work |
| 23:28.24 | onetinsoldier | is getting picture of clear as mud now |
| 23:29.08 | stew | onetinsoldier: it seems clear to me. the purposes for your modification were to fix bugs, not to package it for a linux distribution. |
| 23:29.14 | themill | onetinsoldier: the readme is a formal licence; the person who wrote it should have stuck to writing code and not writing software licences. You have permission to modify makefiles etc -- but does that extend to changing header files? Unlikely. |
| 23:29.32 | themill | onetinsoldier: err... the readme is *not* a formal licence. |
| 23:30.34 | themill | ioudas: If you want help, you need to give us more information than "doesn't work". If all you tell us is "it doesn't work", all we're going to be able to tell you "works for me". Please provide more information. |
| 23:30.42 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 23:30.45 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
| 23:30.53 | onetinsoldier | stew: it says... "necessary changes to makefiles etc." please read the 'sprit' of his statement. i changed no 'code' whatsoever. heck, i don't know how to program in C at all anyway. |
| 23:31.03 | stew | onetinsoldier: this is his software, not yours, and you don't have to right to copy it to other poeple normally. the only right to copy this softare he has given you is "you may give it to other people as is". and you are trying to give it to people after you have modified it, not "as is" |
| 23:31.29 | Brutus | i lost my harddisk, does anyone know where i can find it so i can mount it again? it used to be /dev/sdb1 but i've connected it trough a sata port multiplier. |
| 23:31.43 | ioudas | it removes apache-common but dkp -l says its still there. still wont remove |
| 23:31.50 | ioudas | i cant get it to remove with dkg-p |
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| 23:32.09 | jpinx | shheeesh sarge->etch is a pain :( |
| 23:32.19 | gravity | If it allows modifications for distribution I'd be surprised if it didn't allow minor modifications for porting |
| 23:32.36 | gravity | Especially if all he touched was build system stuff |
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| 23:33.03 | themill | gravity: but you'd also think someone would choose sane licence to begin with if that's what they wanted... |
| 23:33.42 | gravity | themill: It's a very old program, from before the days when there was any real consensus on licenses and they proliferated like crazy |
| 23:34.20 | gravity | themill: The stuff in the DFSG that works around such licenses is pretty well obsolete these days, but it's a good reminder of how things were |
| 23:34.23 | themill | gravity: that doesn't stop it being relicenced given that the sole author still claims all rights he can do that. |
| 23:34.36 | gravity | themill: Is he relicensing it? |
| 23:34.50 | gravity | themill: If he's making modifications to allow distribution, then it's ok |
| 23:34.51 | themill | gravity: no, but he could if he wanted to allow such modifications |
| 23:34.54 | gravity | At least, iirc |
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| 23:35.40 | gravity | themill: That's an orthogonal discussion that's neither here nor there wrt the current problem |
| 23:35.40 | gravity | The question is whether what onetinsoldier is doing is distributable |
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| 23:36.24 | themill | gravity: if we're appealing to the "spirit" of the clumsy licence statement, then "why isn't it under a sane licence to begin with (or been relicenced)" is relevant. Not doing so indicates that there is a desire to prevent things that relicencing would permit. |
| 23:37.54 | gravity | themill: He clearly wants to allow redistribution without modification. It explicitly allows Makefile edits to do so. How is editing the Makefile to allow it to be ported and thereby distributed for 64bit systems breaking that "spirit"? |
| 23:38.19 | themill | gravity: onetinsoldier also edited a header file |
| 23:38.37 | gravity | themill: It does say "makefiles etc." |
| 23:39.01 | onetinsoldier | yeah... it says... make the necessary changes to makefiles "ETC". |
| 23:39.25 | gravity | onetinsoldier: You may want to contact the upstream author to resolve the issue |
| 23:39.38 | gravity | onetinsoldier: I'd say you're in the clear, but the license is old and crappy, so... |
| 23:39.48 | onetinsoldier | i 'only' change two items simply in order to make it compile... no code changes whatsoever |
| 23:39.55 | gravity | notes this is not legal advice and he is in no way a lawyer |
| 23:40.00 | themill | gravity: I'll let you convince ftp-masters that "etc" encompasses headers. If you look at the source package, there are 4 different files involved in the build system, so I'd say that the "etc" pertains to them and not to the header files. |
| 23:40.05 | FredZ | has anyone had any experience with installing an iSCSI target on an etch server? |
| 23:40.24 | gravity | themill: That's not much of an argument |
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| 23:40.45 | themill | gravity: it's about as convincing that "etc" includes every single file in the source package... |
| 23:41.07 | gravity | themill: "etc" may as well. It appears to include anything necessary to allow packaging and redistribution of the program |
| 23:41.16 | gravity | themill: So long as its only modified with that intent |
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| 23:42.23 | onetinsoldier | i changed #include <X11/shape.h> ...to... #include <xcb/shape.h> ..so it oculd find shape.h... i'm sure he'd be most upset! lol |
| 23:42.25 | themill | gravity: that's only *your* interpretation of what etc means. Changes to the Makefile etc could just has happily be interpreted to mean Makefile, IMakefile, Make.com Make.bat and whatever other ugliness is in that package but *only* those makefiles. |
| 23:42.28 | gravity | Ultimately, onetinsoldier should contact upstream or let the xsnow maintainer do it |
| 23:42.36 | themill | gravity: indeed. |
| 23:42.49 | themill | onetinsoldier: please contact upstream and liberally apply a cluebat while you're at it |
| 23:42.51 | stew | and that "package for linux distributions" means "give to your friends that run linux" |
| 23:43.10 | themill | stew: good point |
| 23:43.29 | gravity | Whiney license pedantry will not endear you to your upstream |
| 23:43.32 | valdyn | this is silly as he could just aswell do that header mod from a Makefile |
| 23:43.35 | gravity | At least, not in my experience |
| 23:43.36 | onetinsoldier | i will e-mail him.. |
| 23:43.39 | themill | gravity: quite |
| 23:44.28 | gravity | So applying a cluebat will very likely just piss him off and we'll end up with less useable software |
| 23:45.05 | onetinsoldier | i COULD in insert a damn symlink in the .deb and make whole online edit to the header file a moot point i need be.. but i will e-mail him |
| 23:45.19 | onetinsoldier | s/online/ one line |
| 23:45.36 | gravity | A symlink to the header? Ew |
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| 23:45.51 | themill | onetinsoldier: yeah, I was just about to suggest that you could achieve that within the build system by adding some extra -I and symlinks... but as gravity said... eww. |
| 23:45.52 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. a symlink to shape.h |
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| 23:46.01 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
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| 23:53.36 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 23:53.46 | onetinsoldier | hi |
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| 23:55.04 | rysiek|pl | I need to limit the maximum amount of memory a bash shell (and programs started from within) uses; found ulimit. thing is: I need some help with which option should I use |
| 23:55.45 | rysiek|pl | should I limit the max virtual mem? data segment? and what's the "resident set size"? |
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| 23:55.57 | rysiek|pl | I tried googling, but nothing conclusive showed up |
| 23:56.06 | rysiek|pl | any hints? |
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| 23:57.09 | adb | try #bash ? |
| 23:57.20 | rysiek|pl | hum, good point |
| 23:58.10 | rysiek|pl | although the problem is more general, I guess. I just need to know which type of mem is *the* type of mem the program uses sans virtual mem shared with other processes |
| 23:59.14 | adb | try #linux , #kernel #gcc ? |
| 23:59.34 | rysiek|pl | ok, ok, going, not bugging thee any more |
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| 23:59.59 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: man setrlimit |
