| 00:00.11 | adama_ | hi shifty |
| 00:00.15 | shifty | what do i wrong if i mount a partition and the dir where its mounted is empty? (started with a live cd ... normally there are files and folders on the partition)? |
| 00:00.25 | shifty | its ext3 |
| 00:00.49 | adama_ | any error mounting? |
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| 00:00.59 | shifty | nope |
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| 00:01.21 | rhodescus | shifty: doesn't the output of `mount` show it as mounted? |
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| 00:01.41 | shifty | it does |
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| 00:01.53 | rhodescus | shifty: then the filesystem you mounted is empty |
| 00:01.59 | shifty | its mounted and dmesg says mounted in orderd mode ... bla bla |
| 00:02.01 | adama_ | may be the wrong partition |
| 00:02.05 | shifty | but its not ;) |
| 00:02.20 | adama_ | can you write files into there? and unmount it again? |
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| 00:04.19 | adama_ | it's probably the wrong partition... the devices in /dev may not be the same in a live CD env. as your OS |
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| 00:10.47 | SDragon | hi |
| 00:11.01 | SDragon | in ps aux, the RSS column shows the real memory usage, right? |
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| 00:11.59 | shifty | sry had a big vista lag... |
| 00:12.13 | shifty | i changed to the etc (it wasnt there) and after that all files were listed :D |
| 00:12.57 | karsten | SDragon: I believe that's correct. VSZ is total virtual memory. Note that both RSS and VSZ may include shared memory. |
| 00:13.15 | karsten | SDragon: man ps for more info |
| 00:13.38 | shifty | g2g, bye |
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| 00:14.09 | SDragon | karsten, using a VPS, I've added together the RSS columns, which comes to about 130mb total; however, free shows 192mb used. what gives? |
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| 00:15.00 | karsten | SDragon: "used" includes cache, if you're looking at the Mem line. |
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| 00:15.45 | karsten | SDragon: One line down should approximately total right. Ths shared memory usage though confounds that. It's actually pretty hard to get a real measure of how much memory is being "used" by a given process. |
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| 00:19.27 | Zopiac | my max resolution is 1024x768, but on other OSs ive gotten higher...how do i make the res. higher? would i need to enable video drivers or anything? |
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| 00:20.19 | meyou | dpkg tell zopiac about x resolutions |
| 00:20.32 | meyou | whoa |
| 00:20.37 | meyou | did that give good info? |
| 00:20.44 | meyou | i just stabbed in the dark with "x resolutions" |
| 00:21.13 | Zopiac | ? |
| 00:21.32 | meyou | you should have a pm from dpkg |
| 00:21.36 | Zopiac | nope |
| 00:21.56 | meyou | [16:20:19] <dpkg> told zopiac about CMD 'x resolutions' |
| 00:22.00 | meyou | dpkg says you do :p |
| 00:22.00 | dpkg | meyou: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:22.12 | meyou | sure you don't have some kinda spam block script or something? |
| 00:22.31 | Zopiac | :\ i dunno, i havent changed a single setting in Gaim |
| 00:22.58 | meyou | send dpkg a message |
| 00:23.00 | meyou | to open a query window |
| 00:23.04 | meyou | then i'll do it again |
| 00:23.22 | meyou | dpkg tell Zopiac about x resolutions |
| 00:23.33 | Zopiac | says 'dpkg is not logged in' |
| 00:23.49 | adb | !tell Zopiac about x resolutions |
| 00:24.00 | Zopiac | lol |
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| 00:24.15 | meyou | it seems you're doing it wrong |
| 00:24.43 | Bangers1 | I just created a :tar cf | gzip" on BusyBox, and trying to "gzip -d | tar xf" on Debian (GNU Tar) but it's failing with the error: tar: Skipping to next header tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 00:24.44 | Bangers1 | Any ideas? |
| 00:25.05 | meyou | why not just use tar xzf? |
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| 00:28.20 | Bangers1 | I tried axvf, and it fails to with the same error |
| 00:28.56 | meyou | no z? |
| 00:28.57 | karsten | SDragon: This makes things like the OOM killer's |
| 00:29.03 | Bangers1 | so the tar (busybox vs gnu) is causing my trouble, I think |
| 00:29.07 | meyou | what i mean is to let tar do the gunzipping all at once |
| 00:29.11 | Bangers1 | sorry I meant I tried zxvf, but it didnt work |
| 00:29.14 | meyou | oh |
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| 00:34.58 | mistermo1ha | what is the load order of config files for apache on debian? |
| 00:36.54 | \amethyst | mistermocha: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 00:37.37 | mistermocha | \amethyst: thanks |
| 00:37.50 | \amethyst | mistermocha: everything else is Included from there |
| 00:37.55 | dreammer_ | I'm looking for a way to disable a key (Alt), as it is stuck in the on position. 'xmodmap' seems not to quite do it; it disables the alt keys... but the behaviour of the windows (in KDE) is still as if an Alt key is engaged. Is there a way to 'clear' key engagement? Is there away to determine which (left vs. right) key is activated? Is xmodmap sufficient to solve this problem? (I know it only affects xwindows.) |
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| 00:38.37 | \amethyst | dreammer_: does switching to a terminal and back (ctrl-alt-f1 then ctrl-alt-f7 to get back) fix it? |
| 00:39.17 | dreammer_ | nope -- terminal then back doesn't fix it |
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| 00:39.38 | Zopiac | compiz on PPC machine? :D |
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| 00:40.36 | \amethyst | dreammer_: does it act as though alt is stuck at the console? |
| 00:41.22 | dreammer_ | i'm not sure how it would be different in the console per se |
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| 00:41.56 | dreammer_ | i notice it in openoffice and firefox... |
| 00:42.06 | dreammer_ | try holding down the alt key... |
| 00:42.21 | dreammer_ | and try to access the menu (e.g. 'file') with the mouse |
| 00:42.42 | dreammer_ | it is impossible to do (i've tested this on my desktop... which works fine) |
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| 00:43.40 | dreammer_ | er... let me correct myself --iceweasel :-) (not firefox) |
| 00:44.03 | \amethyst | err |
| 00:44.30 | \amethyst | Maybe there's some difference here, but menus in both of those programs work for me when alt is held down |
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| 00:45.10 | dreammer_ | i'm using KDE |
| 00:45.40 | dreammer_ | version 3.5.9 |
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| 00:45.58 | \amethyst | perhaps you have sticky keys enabled? try going into the "assistive technologies" or "accessibility" preferences (whatever it's called in KDE) |
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| 00:46.26 | \amethyst | so when you press keys on the keyboard like F, they activate menu items ? |
| 00:46.45 | dreammer_ | the thing is the behaviour is reproducible on my desktop... same problem is reproduced with holding the alt key... |
| 00:47.23 | \amethyst | dreammer_: what is the behaviour exactly? |
| 00:47.56 | Wyzard | dreammer_: If you're using GNOME, holding Alt is a WM keybinding for dragging a window -- that's why an alt-click doesn't get passed through to the app to open a menu |
| 00:48.18 | dreammer_ | i cannot access menus in iceweasel and openoffice.org |
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| 00:48.29 | \amethyst | dreammer_: is it only the menus that don't work? |
| 00:48.38 | dreammer_ | if i hold the alt key down on my desktop it has the same problem |
| 00:48.40 | \amethyst | dreammer_: does the keyboard work in iceweasel and openoffice.org? |
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| 00:48.55 | victamower | why is there an entry in the hosts table like: 127.0.1.1 myhostname ? |
| 00:49.29 | dreammer_ | i think the menus work-- in that i can see them "blink"... as if they are activated and then quickly deactivated by the aberantly activated alt key |
| 00:49.40 | gribouille | hi |
| 00:49.44 | \amethyst | dreammer_: does the keyboard work? |
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| 00:49.55 | victamower | it's breaking an application that determines the local IP address using gethostbyname() |
| 00:49.57 | dreammer_ | yes the keyboard works... |
| 00:49.58 | Wyzard | victamower: so that the machine's own name can resolve to a loopback address without depending on external services such as DNS |
| 00:50.28 | \amethyst | dreammer_: and when you hold down alt and use the keyboard? |
| 00:50.37 | dreammer_ | strange is that that alt keys in soemthing like "kwrite" activate the menu like they should |
| 00:50.57 | Wyzard | victamower: and the reason it's 127.0.1.1 rather than 127.0.0.1 is so that "localhost" and the actual hostname can stay distinct when converting back and forth between names and addresses |
| 00:51.10 | victamower | Wyz: is this right? it seems strange to get a loopback address using something other than "localhost" |
| 00:51.15 | gribouille | I have speakers on one machine and I want to watch a video on another machine (connected to the former). how can I do that without unplugging the speakers ? |
| 00:51.29 | \amethyst | dreammer_: so the problem doesn't sound like a stuck alt key... do you have problems clicking anywhere other than menus? |
| 00:51.30 | dreammer_ | if i disable the alt keys using xmodmap... this doesn't work any more (as one would expect) |
| 00:51.40 | Wyzard | victamower: not really... the previous convention was to have the hostname on the same line as localhost and 127.0.0.1 |
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| 00:52.19 | dreammer_ | the windows "collapse" when i click on the 'drag area' at the very top (where the program name is) |
| 00:52.20 | Wyzard | victamower: There was a long thread on debian-devel at one point, a few years ago IIRC, trying to figure out what the loopback entries in /etc/hosts really ought to be |
| 00:52.24 | dreammer_ | i think this is related |
| 00:52.44 | \amethyst | dreammer_: what about clicking on links in Firefox? |
| 00:52.46 | Wyzard | victamower: Anyway, what's wrong with getting 127.0.1.1 when looking up one's own hostname? |
| 00:52.51 | \amethyst | err, Iceweasel |
| 00:52.57 | dreammer_ | that's not a problem |
| 00:53.16 | victamower | Wyz: because it publishes it to another server |
| 00:53.31 | gribouille | I have speakers on one machine and I want to watch a video on another machine (connected to the former). how can I do that without unplugging the speakers ? |
| 00:53.47 | \amethyst | victamower: so add an /etc/hosts entry with the real IP, or if the hostname is in DNS, just remove it from /etc/hosts |
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| 00:54.05 | dreammer_ | is there a way to see which keys are activated? |
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| 00:54.21 | \amethyst | dreammer_: xev |
| 00:54.31 | dreammer_ | would 'xev' show a stuck key? |
| 00:54.47 | dreammer_ | i tried that... |
| 00:54.55 | \amethyst | it's not a stuck key |
| 00:55.05 | \amethyst | if it were, the keyboard wouldn't work correctly |
| 00:55.12 | \amethyst | when you pressed F it would be like pressing Alt-F |
| 00:55.32 | \amethyst | dreammer_: does this happen every time you boot? |
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| 00:55.39 | Wyzard | victamower: The whole resolver API and host-naming scheme is flawed IMO... it halfway assumes DNS and that a machine has exactly one FQDN, yet defines things independently of DNS |
| 00:55.46 | dreammer_ | yep... everytime |
| 00:56.08 | \amethyst | dreammer_: ohhh |
| 00:56.12 | \amethyst | dreammer_: is num lock on? |
| 00:56.25 | gribouille | hey, are you sleeping ? |
| 00:56.28 | victamower | agreed |
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| 00:56.42 | dreammer_ | i don't have a numlock--- it is a laptop |
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| 00:56.55 | \amethyst | not even an Fn-key you can press? |
| 00:56.59 | \amethyst | hm |
| 00:57.00 | victamower | I'll work around it for now, but it seems gethostbyname() is deprecated anyway - but I think a lot of apps still use it |
| 00:57.05 | victamower | thanks |
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| 00:57.26 | Wyzard | victamower: It's not necessarily appropriate for the machine to look up its own name with gethostbyname() to determine and Internet-valid IP address anyway |
| 00:57.46 | Wyzard | victamower: It could be behind NAT, or have multiple addresses, etc. |
| 00:57.51 | \amethyst | dreammer_: in xev, when you press a key like spacebar over the testing window, what is reported for the state ? |
| 00:58.30 | \amethyst | dreammer_: should be something like state 0x00 |
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| 00:59.16 | dreammer_ | i get two events.... a KeyPress event and a KeyRelease event |
| 00:59.36 | dreammer_ | the press event is state 0x0 |
| 00:59.47 | dreammer_ | the release event is 0x8 |
| 00:59.48 | \amethyst | dreammer_: yes, each of them should have a state as the first item on the third line of the event |
| 00:59.48 | LoveGuru | Hi, I m New with Linux OS, I installed "debain" under vbox as guest.. but somehow my internet connection won't working.. Could Please someone help me ? |
| 00:59.59 | Wyzard | victamower: ideally something like gethostbyname() or getaddrinfo() should be able to return multiple addresses in different scopes (loopback, link-local, global unicast, etc.) so the application can choose an appropriate one, but IPv4 doesn't really have that concept of address scopes (though IPv6 does) |
| 01:00.23 | \amethyst | dreammer_: could you pastebin the result of xmodmap ? |
| 01:01.27 | \amethyst | dreammer_: that does sound like X events think the Meta modifier (alt on PCs) is always active. FF and OOo are ignoring it since they aren't seeing the alt key being pressed |
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| 01:01.44 | \amethyst | dreammer_: perhaps something else is on the same modifier? |
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| 01:02.17 | dreammer_ | i'm just trying to connect with the laptop... |
| 01:02.44 | astruasdh | please, when the lenny will be the stable? |
| 01:03.01 | Wyzard | !wir |
| 01:03.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 01:03.13 | \amethyst | dreammer_: well, actually only the mod1 line is important |
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| 01:03.31 | Wyzard | astruasdh: There's no scheduled date |
| 01:03.32 | \amethyst | dreammer_: what keys are on it (the hex isn't so important right now, just the key names) |
| 01:03.36 | victamower | Wyz: I guess that's why you have to specify the address/iface to bind to in many apps' config files |
| 01:03.55 | astruasdh | Wyzard, is there a list with the things that need to be fixed? |
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| 01:04.28 | Wyzard | astruasdh: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 01:04.34 | Wyzard | but it seems to be down at the moment :-) |
| 01:04.35 | dreammer_ | the key names are "Alt_L" and "Alt_R" |
| 01:04.37 | astruasdh | ty |
| 01:04.46 | Wyzard | or maybe that's just my browser not working |
| 01:04.52 | \amethyst | dreammer_: and are those 0x40 and 0x71 ? |
| 01:05.38 | Wyzard | victamower: Even that isn't really sufficient, because a single interface can have multiple addresses with different scopes (again, not really formalized in IPv4, but it's a well-defined concept in IPv6) |
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| 01:05.52 | dreammer_ | nope |
| 01:05.59 | \amethyst | dreammer_: what are they? |
| 01:06.10 | Craigevil | Wyzard: works here Number concerning the next release: 156 |
| 01:06.12 | dreammer_ | keycode 113 (keysym 0xffea, Alt_R) |
| 01:06.24 | \amethyst | dreammer_: I meant in the xmodmap output |
| 01:06.28 | Zopiac | how do i switch the position of the titlebar buttons in metacity? |
| 01:06.31 | dreammer_ | keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L) |
| 01:06.37 | \amethyst | dreammer_: 113 is 0x71 and 64 is 0x40 |
| 01:06.42 | \amethyst | dreammer_: so that's right |
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| 01:06.58 | Wyzard | victamower: You've probably seen a machine get a 169.264/16 address after attempting dynamic configuration on a network that has no DHCP server |
| 01:07.06 | \amethyst | dreammer_: do Alt_L or Alt_R show up anywhere else in the xmodmap output? |
| 01:07.29 | victamower | Wyz: do you know of a canonical POSIX (or something) way that defines how this should hang together? maybe I should read that thread you mentioned |
| 01:07.29 | Wyzard | victamower: That's a link-local address, and you probably think of it as something to be used if you can't get a "real" address |
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| 01:08.09 | Wyzard | victamower: but really, it makes sense to *always* have a link-local address so you can communicate with other machines on the LAN that are using them, even if you also have a "real" (global-scope) address too |
| 01:08.15 | dreammer_ | there is |
| 01:08.23 | \amethyst | dreammer_: where? |
| 01:08.26 | dreammer_ | keycode 125 = NoSymbol Alt_L |
| 01:09.01 | dreammer_ | i haven't tried disabling '125' |
| 01:09.03 | Wyzard | victamower: and IPv6 works that way -- every IPv6 interface always has a link-local address, and they're used for protocols like neighbor discovery |
| 01:09.06 | \amethyst | dreammer_: hm, what about in xmodmap -pm output? |
| 01:09.37 | Wyzard | victamower: I don't know of any canonical "good" way to handle resolving names (though I've never really gone looking) |
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| 01:10.10 | dreammer_ | Alt_L and Alt_R show up in mod1 |
| 01:10.23 | \amethyst | dreammer_: and nowhere else? |
| 01:10.26 | dreammer_ | i tried removing 'em |
| 01:10.34 | adama_ | iceweasel is remembering a wrong password, how do I get it to forget passwords for that site? |
| 01:10.36 | dreammer_ | yesterday... it didn't help |
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| 01:10.53 | dreammer_ | they are only in 'mod1' |
| 01:11.10 | litwol|nix | i've been googling without success, perhaps some one here may advise me on a good binary newsleecher/reader for debian based os (linux mint) |
| 01:11.20 | Wyzard | victamower: The whole hostname thing is a kluge IMO -- a machine has a hostname which is defined internally, independently of DNS, but then "hostname --fqdn" is supposed to get the DNS address based on that, and that depends on how /etc/hosts is configured, and a machine can have multiple unrelated DNS names pointing to it anyway |
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| 01:11.33 | \amethyst | adama_: Edit -> Preferences, Security Tab, Saved Passwords... |
| 01:11.42 | petemc | litwol|nix: this isnt the right place to ask, but klibido works |
| 01:12.02 | litwol|nix | googles klibido |
| 01:12.24 | litwol|nix | petemc: where is the right place to ask ? |
| 01:12.32 | petemc | litwol|nix: #mint ? |
| 01:12.47 | petemc | litwol|nix: #linuxmint , it seems |
| 01:12.51 | litwol|nix | ok |
| 01:12.55 | litwol|nix | ty :) |
| 01:13.11 | petemc | np |
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| 01:14.39 | litwol|nix | petemc: it seems that this requires KDE, aparently i have GNOME installed |
| 01:14.40 | litwol|nix | :( |
| 01:14.44 | dreammer_ | i'm going to update my machine... it has been a few weeks--- i'm doubtful it will help... but maybe it will change things |
| 01:14.56 | litwol|nix | actually i dont even know how to check if i am running gnome or KDE |
| 01:15.20 | Wyzard | litwol|nix: Do you have a "K menu" in the lower-left corner of your screen? |
| 01:15.24 | petemc | litwol|nix: i run it when using gnome |
| 01:15.35 | dreammer_ | if it isn't the keyboard... what is the issue...? |
| 01:15.45 | adama_ | oo sweet, thanks \amethyst |
| 01:15.48 | Wyzard | litwol|nix: or do you have an Applications menu with a footprint icon in the upper left? |
| 01:15.50 | litwol|nix | Wyzard: it says 'Elyssa' there, its the basic 64bit linux mint install |
| 01:15.53 | dreammer_ | i suppose a test of a different desktop would be worth a try (e.g. Gnome) |
| 01:16.00 | litwol|nix | Wyzard: its the lower left |
| 01:16.05 | \amethyst | dreammer_: the only thing I can think of at this point is to check the sticky keys setting |
| 01:16.18 | litwol|nix | petemc: i'll try to run it |
| 01:16.33 | \amethyst | dreammer_: does pressing alt on the laptop change anything ? holding it down? |
| 01:17.55 | dreammer_ | i'm not sure where the sticky keys setting is... |
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| 01:18.22 | dreammer_ | something strange... |
| 01:18.43 | dreammer_ | oh... it is normal |
| 01:19.27 | dreammer_ | the pointer turns into a 'hand' when i hold 'alt'--- it allows movement of the window without "grabbing" the top of the window |
| 01:20.05 | dreammer_ | nothing really strange that's i've noticed |
| 01:20.27 | \amethyst | dreammer_: what does xev show for the state of a keypress when alt is held down? |
| 01:20.34 | \amethyst | dreammer_: still 0x8 ? |
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| 01:21.23 | dreammer_ | it doesn't... it shows "0x0" |
| 01:21.24 | LoveGuru | Hi, to make debain ssh server then i can access my box outside which packages i do need ? ssh-server or ssh? |
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| 01:21.35 | dreammer_ | alright... |
| 01:21.44 | dreammer_ | i'm mostly convinced it isn't the keyboard |
| 01:22.03 | \amethyst | dreammer_: yeah, it's not the keyboard or *everything* would behave as though alt were held down |
| 01:22.21 | dreammer_ | there are two other tests... plug in the usb keyboard i have... |
| 01:22.27 | Zopiac | how do i install cursor themes? |
| 01:22.36 | dreammer_ | try a different deskttop (e.g. gnome) |
| 01:22.56 | litwol|nix | petemc: thank you. it works :-D. now i'm going to find out how to repair (par2) and unrar downloaded files automatically if possible. |
| 01:22.57 | litwol|nix | thanks |
| 01:23.18 | petemc | litwol|nix: theres a par2 app |
| 01:23.51 | litwol|nix | define "there" :) |
| 01:24.35 | petemc | aptitude install par2 |
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| 01:25.39 | litwol|nix | it seems there was rar too |
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| 01:26.26 | LoveGuru | any help ? |
| 01:27.20 | Guerin | LoveGuru: ssh |
| 01:28.01 | litwol|nix | petemc: sorry to bug you again. but what are the tools that you use along with klibido ? par2 for repairs. what do you use to unpack rars ? what do you use to join *.001 ... *.0NN files ? |
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| 01:28.25 | LoveGuru | Guerin: after then can i ssh my box from outside? |
| 01:28.40 | Guerin | LoveGuru: if you set things up properly. |
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| 01:29.20 | LoveGuru | Guerin: what about ssh-server |
| 01:29.25 | Guerin | litwol|nix: there is a free implementation of (un)rar, which might work, but some rars will need the proprietary shite from the official source |
| 01:29.35 | Guerin | !depends ssh |
| 01:29.39 | dpkg | ssh: depends on openssh-client, openssh-server |
| 01:29.44 | Guerin | litwol|nix: ^^ |
| 01:30.00 | Guerin | litwol|nix: roshal distributes a binary linux unrar |
| 01:30.04 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:30.08 | Guerin | LoveGuru: ^^ |
| 01:30.18 | LoveGuru | ahh |
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| 01:30.24 | LoveGuru | Guerin: i am really Sorry... |
| 01:30.41 | LoveGuru | Guerin: i forget that packages depends on some other packages. |
| 01:30.41 | LoveGuru | :p |
| 01:30.44 | litwol|nix | Guerin: thx |
| 01:30.57 | litwol|nix | Guerin: does that work for combining *.001 ... *.00n files ? |
| 01:31.09 | unop | litwol|nix, unrar should be able to everything for you automatically - just as long as you provide the first file in the set which is usually *.rar or *.r01 |
| 01:31.27 | litwol|nix | cool |
| 01:31.36 | d-b | i find it rather odd that on windows 7zip handles the rars that the free unrar doesn't handle on *nix |
| 01:32.01 | litwol|nix | in my current case. the *.001 files are not rars |
| 01:32.04 | litwol|nix | they are just file splits |
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| 01:32.08 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:32.09 | litwol|nix | the actual file is MKV format |
| 01:32.12 | Guerin | litwol|nix: use cat(1) |
| 01:32.27 | Craigevil | try p7zip-rar |
| 01:32.29 | litwol|nix | how do i man cat(1) ? |
| 01:32.37 | Guerin | litwol|nix: man 1 cat |
| 01:33.01 | d-b | Guerin: what so will not work. |
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| 01:33.21 | Guerin | d-b: ? |
| 01:33.27 | d-b | if they are rars there is going to be info that is important to the unrar program / rar |
| 01:33.37 | litwol|nix | Guerin: can you give a command eample that would work for *.001 .. *.010 |
| 01:33.53 | d-b | you just fused them. -> rather pointless i would think. |
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| 01:34.37 | d-b | for i in $(ls); do cat item: $i >> final \ done |
| 01:34.51 | unop | bad use of ls |
| 01:34.56 | d-b | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-7.html |
| 01:35.07 | d-b | unop: `ls -1' ? |
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| 01:35.42 | unop | for i in *.0*; do cat "$i" >> final; done |
| 01:35.55 | litwol|nix | oi vei |
| 01:36.01 | litwol|nix | no single click solutions ? |
| 01:36.02 | litwol|nix | :-p |
| 01:36.29 | d-b | litwol|nix: put that on the gnome panel / panel and then click it rofl. put a #!/bin/bash and a cd infront ^^ |
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| 01:37.17 | litwol|nix | ok perhaps more interesting thing. i would like to remote connect (with GUI) from my mac osx laptop into my debian based linux desktop at home |
| 01:37.24 | litwol|nix | tightVNC is one option i found |
| 01:37.33 | litwol|nix | are there other good (better?) options ? |
| 01:37.47 | lfaraone | I'm trying to run SSH inside a debian chroot, and I start the daemon on port 2200, ssh in, authenticate, and then the connection is reset by the dreadded Peer. Any idea why? (The host system is ubuntu, but I assume this is a debian question as this is a debian chroot) |
| 01:38.33 | d-b | litwol|nix: vnc over ssh or x over ssh or freenx |
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| 01:40.32 | simonrvn | lfaraone: ssh -options -vvv -p 2200 user@host; first |
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| 01:40.52 | Lifeform | Hi |
| 01:40.53 | simonrvn | then ask the question ;) |
| 01:41.07 | Lifeform | anyone have a 10 or 100 MB testfile - or other large file I can try download from the US ? |
| 01:41.23 | Lifeform | Eager to test the transfer rate from a regular server in the US ==> Europe |
| 01:41.42 | lfaraone | simonrvn: Heh, other than -p 2200 I don't have any options. Relogging in with "-vvv". Want me to pastebin the last few lines or so>? |
| 01:42.28 | simonrvn | Lifeform: there's a few "bandwidth test" sites around already |
| 01:42.55 | Lifeform | simonrvn: any tips...? |
| 01:43.50 | simonrvn | google it |
| 01:44.06 | lfaraone | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/m2c87c50a |
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| 01:44.22 | d-b | Lifeform: the ubuntu mirror ? / any other linux / bsd mirror and a netinstall image rofl..... |
| 01:44.42 | lfaraone | Lifeform: speedtest.net |
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| 01:45.07 | simonrvn | lfaraone: for one thing, one that sticks out right away, is that you haven't su'd / sudo'd to a real (regular) user in the chroot |
| 01:45.27 | lfaraone | simonrvn: do I have to? |
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| 01:46.02 | simonrvn | no, but it's safer (good habit and all that) |
| 01:46.09 | lfaraone | simonrvn: stupid question. I've tried it, and it still doesn't work. |
| 01:46.14 | simonrvn | also, check auth.log for more info |
| 01:46.30 | lfaraone | simonrvn: heh, this is just a development chroot, I rebuild it every week or so. |
| 01:46.38 | Wyzard | lfaraone: Are you trying to log into the root account on the remote machine? |
| 01:46.41 | simonrvn | i mean the host box |
| 01:46.45 | lfaraone | Wyzard: it's local. |
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| 01:46.53 | simonrvn | no his account on host os |
| 01:47.06 | simonrvn | 35. lfaraone@localhost's password: |
| 01:47.10 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:47.22 | litwol|nix | using the cat comand wasnt so hard after all |
| 01:47.22 | litwol|nix | :) |
| 01:47.35 | litwol|nix | sanitized the folder from non multi-part files |
| 01:47.40 | litwol|nix | then did cat * > foo.ext |
| 01:47.42 | litwol|nix | :-D |
| 01:47.45 | litwol|nix | damn linux is great |
| 01:48.03 | Gigantic | lol |
| 01:48.25 | lfaraone | simonrvn: I sudo chrooted to /my/chroot/dir; /etc/init.d/ssh start ; su - lfaraone; ssh -p MySshPortOnTheDaemonIJustInit.d'd localhost |
| 01:48.25 | Gigantic | damn small linux is not so great ;) |
| 01:48.29 | Wyzard | litwol|nix: Rather than sanitizing the folder and using *, you could also do cat foo.00{1..9} assuming a recent version of bash |
| 01:48.35 | litwol|nix | now need to install my ati hd 4670 drivers if at all possible :-D |
| 01:48.46 | Wyzard | litwol|nix: or cat foo.0{0{1..9},{10..99}} for two-digit numbers |
| 01:48.48 | simonrvn | you can thanks the original unix creators, and torvalds for making the original linux kernel |
| 01:48.56 | litwol|nix | true |
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| 01:49.03 | \amethyst | or cat foo.0* under certain reasonable assumptions |
| 01:49.12 | Gigantic | actually... who made the coreutils? |
| 01:49.16 | \amethyst | FSF |
| 01:49.23 | simonrvn | brb, my real cat wants food ;) |
| 01:49.47 | Gigantic | was linuz? |
| 01:49.56 | Guerin | Gigantic: no. He wrote a kernel. |
| 01:50.15 | \amethyst | Gigantic: David MacKenzie is the most frequently listed author in coreutils, but he's not the only one |
| 01:50.15 | Gigantic | My man say you have to thank: Torbj?rn Granlund and Richard M. Stallman |
| 01:50.34 | Gigantic | yup... I meant for the 'cat' |
| 01:50.41 | enouf | lfaraone: i'm not sure, but you might want/need to bind a few dirs within your chroot - namely /proc ... well - let me try a bit here |
| 01:50.51 | \amethyst | don't forget Ulrich Drepper |
| 01:50.53 | \amethyst | glibc |
| 01:51.31 | enouf | lfaraone: also, fwiw, not sure, you might want to look at schroot - and scponlyc (don't know why you are chrooting - or i forgot) |
| 01:51.31 | Gigantic | I usually forget my wife's second name tho... |
| 01:51.37 | simonrvn | thank* |
| 01:51.46 | enouf | Gigantic: it's ho-me-down |
| 01:51.49 | litwol|nix | is :( no ati drivers for his vid card |
| 01:51.49 | enouf | :-P |
| 01:51.55 | Gigantic | o.O |
| 01:52.10 | simonrvn | it's honey,-i'm-home-from-powwow :P |
| 01:52.30 | lfaraone | enouf: I'm building a PAM module debian package. And I don't want to bork my real machine, nor set up the overhead of a VM. And I run ubuntu for the host. |
| 01:52.33 | simonrvn | lil' native humour there ;) |
| 01:53.23 | enouf | lfaraone: " And I run ubuntu for the host." is the 1st mistake, IMO - not a dig, but not apropos to do |
| 01:54.00 | Gigantic | litwol|nix: Google knows it all... it knows everything there is, even the reason of life and the date and time when the Universe is going to end... just ask it |
| 01:54.10 | simonrvn | only issue i can see is kernel issues |
| 01:54.16 | Gigantic | The right answer comes with the right question |
| 01:54.24 | Guerin | simonrvn: you mean you people are advanced enough to have jokes? |
| 01:54.26 | enouf | lfaraone: have you seen debootstrap? (you should) .. are you chrooting the entire ARCH env? from i386 -> amd64 ? |
| 01:54.26 | litwol|nix | Gigantic: i am :). i am a horrible googler. but i'm not giving up |
| 01:54.42 | lfaraone | enouf: lol, no. |
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| 01:54.45 | simonrvn | Guerin: eh? |
| 01:54.49 | lfaraone | enouf: it's i386 |
| 01:55.04 | lfaraone | enouf: though I'm not sure how I could chroot into a amd64 arch |
| 01:55.19 | enouf | Guerin: yes, and any half-advanced ape can understand them :-P |
| 01:55.22 | Qew | litwol|nix: have you tried hellanzb? That can automatically download from the .nzb, par verify and unrar for you. |
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| 01:55.37 | Qew | it's a console app, but it's not too hard to use. |
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| 01:55.49 | \amethyst | lfaraone: you could do it if you had a 64-bit kernel: linux64 chroot /mnt/point /bin/bash |
| 01:55.49 | Xenguy | dpkg |
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| 01:55.54 | litwol|nix | Qew: ooooooooooooooo definitely worth a try!! |
| 01:56.03 | \amethyst | lfaraone: (even with a 32-bit userspace) |
| 01:56.05 | betz-- | Hi, i try to setup a cvs server on debian following this tutorial http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/servers/cvs.jspx I need to create e new file in /etc/xinetd.d/, but there isnt such a directory, anyone knows what to do/ what i'm missing? |
| 01:56.07 | litwol|nix | i'm so spoiled by newsleecher from *gasp* winduze |
| 01:56.27 | enouf | lfaraone: well .. you just debootstrap install the arch of your choice, (provided the hardware supports it) |
| 01:56.29 | Qew | klibido is a good app, but I swapped to hellanzb once I found it a few months ago. |
| 01:56.37 | enouf | !tell lfaraone about debootstrap |
| 01:56.45 | litwol|nix | i already use terminal based torrent downlaoder |
| 01:56.54 | litwol|nix | no reason to shawn away from newsreader |
| 01:57.07 | Qew | sure, nothing wrong with the console... I'm typing to you from it now ;) |
| 01:57.19 | litwol|nix | nice! |
| 01:57.43 | lfaraone | enouf: lol, how do you think I set up the chroot? (I downloaded the sid package and forced ubuntu to install it) |
| 01:57.51 | lfaraone | *debootstrap pkg |
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| 01:59.09 | Guerin | simonrvn: you know - `you people', etc. |
| 01:59.09 | betz-- | anyone? |
| 01:59.21 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 01:59.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 01:59.33 | enouf | lfaraone: i chroot into another full debian installation all the time .. on another HDD - no debootstrap needed |
| 01:59.42 | Guerin | betz--: you might want to install xinetd |
| 01:59.52 | Guerin | (or some other intetd) |
| 02:00.11 | simonrvn | Guerin: what do you mean, *you* people? |
| 02:00.15 | enouf | lfaraone: forcing ubuntu to conform is almost admirable, however .. mutants shall never be the real thing |
| 02:00.39 | lfaraone | enouf: of course. But this is on the same hd, and I don't have any legit debian installs lying around. (Ironically the only time I use debian (other than on a server under the floorboards) is when I'm trying to test a package) |
| 02:00.45 | betz-- | ah ok, worked, thanx Guerin |
| 02:00.47 | Guerin | simonrvn: well, `you people' are clearly different from `us people'. |
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| 02:00.53 | Guerin | grins |
| 02:00.56 | simonrvn | Guerin: (i was going to put this in a fake-serious tone, but i won't bother) usually we're laughing our asses off, while people walk by and have frowns, when say having a smoke outside |
| 02:01.10 | simonrvn | LOLs |
| 02:01.15 | enouf | lfaraone: all kidding aside - IIRC, ubuntu's debootstrap is somehow slightl modified from the Debain version ... i might be mistaken |
| 02:01.29 | litwol|nix | resumes search for ati hd 4670 drivers |
| 02:01.40 | simonrvn | Guerin: i was LOLing when i typed that "what do you mean..." bit :D |
| 02:01.46 | enouf | lfaraone: debian is king ... and queen |
| 02:01.55 | enouf | for Server and Desktop ;-) |
| 02:02.01 | lfaraone | enouf: Which is why I installed debian's debootstrap pkg :) |
| 02:02.19 | lfaraone | enouf: I'd like to see my grandmother get through the netinstall. |
| 02:02.35 | enouf | lfaraone: well - no, the base system would be debuan if you were a true debianista |
| 02:02.36 | Wyzard | lfaraone: FWIW, I use VMware for testing stuff |
| 02:02.45 | Wyzard | better isolation than a chroot |
| 02:03.03 | enouf | lfaraone: you grandma got runned over by a rheindeer .. don't blame Debian |
| 02:03.05 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:03.11 | enouf | your* |
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| 02:03.24 | lfaraone | Wyzard: mhm. but that's evil and non-free :P |
| 02:03.27 | amphi | a 'rheindeer'? |
| 02:03.40 | enouf | lfaraone: it was Christmas Eve - we can't blame Santa! |
| 02:03.44 | simonrvn | caribou, dude, and it's "reindeer" |
| 02:03.44 | amphi | are those what the Nibelungen rode? |
| 02:04.10 | enouf | amphi: inapropos h? sorry :-p |
| 02:04.25 | amphi | 'rheindeer' is pleasantly Wagnerian ;) |
| 02:04.29 | Wyzard | lfaraone: VirtualBox would work too |
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| 02:04.45 | lfaraone | Wyzard: bah. I'm low on RAM. |
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| 02:05.08 | enouf | lfaraone: follow Wyzard - he's knowledgeable .. and most importantly ... serious about helping you :-) |
| 02:05.20 | enouf | lfaraone: you suck mighty ass |
| 02:05.31 | enouf | er.. your system does |
| 02:06.07 | enouf | amphi: i can't take all those subreferences - something about Robert Wagner? O_O |
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| 02:07.09 | enouf | did anyone notice my intentional use of the word "runned" ? |
| 02:07.23 | Guerin | enouf: Explaining is losing, enouf |
| 02:07.58 | enouf | Yes - it's taken from Southern Hillbilly Monster Truck Rallying Folklore .. just like Guerin 's culture :-) |
| 02:08.50 | Guerin | enouf: hah. Mah culture so far south we narly in 'tarctica. |
| 02:08.57 | lfaraone | has 256mb ram. epic win. |
| 02:09.20 | enouf | great - so your culture is "frozen in time" :-) |
| 02:09.46 | enouf | Guerin: btw - how's the Baby (sincerely) |
| 02:09.50 | enouf | ? |
| 02:10.02 | enouf | lfaraone: you don't want a DE |
| 02:10.04 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:10.20 | lfaraone | enouf: hm? |
| 02:10.32 | enouf | lfaraone: or .. you want pain! :-( |
| 02:10.47 | litwol|nix | i'm unable to find drivers for ati hd 4670 for debian based system :((( halp? |
| 02:10.56 | litwol|nix | not friends with google |
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| 02:11.14 | lfaraone | enouf: I got excited when I was told that they were swapping our i386s for Sun Ultra 10s. :) |
| 02:11.15 | pipeline | litwol|nix: the drivers that are available are pretty god damn bad |
| 02:11.31 | litwol|nix | pipeline: well i need at least something :( |
| 02:11.32 | pipeline | lfaraone: you shouldn't have been, the ultra 10 was slower than most PCs of its era. |
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| 02:11.57 | lfaraone | pipeline: I'm kidding, I was 5 years old when the Ultra 10 came out. |
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| 02:12.30 | smacnay | abrotman: are you using vbox-ose or the PUEL version from the vbox website? Or using it at all? |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | neither |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | none |
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| 02:12.47 | abrotman | zilch! |
| 02:12.50 | toad-br | how to build a standalone (.deb) repository? |
| 02:12.50 | pipeline | litwol|nix: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 02:12.56 | smacnay | abrotman: ah... |
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| 02:13.04 | pipeline | toad-br: google |
| 02:13.10 | pipeline | toad-br: the key term is "apt repository" |
| 02:13.12 | lfaraone | pipeline: but it's 64bit! and maxes out at 1GiB of ram! |
| 02:13.13 | uplinx | what the deuce? my usb hard drive keeps disconnecting, even after i added irqpoll to grub. |
| 02:13.25 | Zopiac | how do i change Sound preferences, like, which drive im using?? |
| 02:13.33 | lfaraone | Zopiac: alsacontrol? |
| 02:13.38 | pipeline | lfaraone: the CPU in the u10 was actually pretty god damn fast... and very, very, very expensive to make, which is why they cost 10x as much as a comparable PC. |
| 02:13.43 | lfaraone | uplinx: faulty connection. |
| 02:13.45 | toad-br | pipeline: thx |
| 02:13.59 | uplinx | lfaraone: and that would cause me to lose my drive entirely? |
| 02:14.06 | synx | I'm having serious font troubles. |
| 02:14.13 | pipeline | lfaraone: the catch that made them so lousy is that Sun went to the bargain basement for the drive controller. The really pathetic, buggy drive controller caused the entire system to be horrendously slow. (Interrupt load gakkk) |
| 02:14.29 | lfaraone | pipeline: Heh, I just picked one up a week ago from my school's "trash" pile. (cleaning out the server closet) |
| 02:14.35 | Zopiac | lfaraone: what do you mean? is it a command, app...? |
| 02:14.37 | lfaraone | pipeline: Hm... |
| 02:14.39 | enouf | pipeline: ouch ... and yikes! |
| 02:14.40 | pipeline | lfaraone: if you can find a scsi card for it, it's not that slow |
| 02:14.42 | toad-br | irc useless, use google |
| 02:14.44 | lfaraone | Zopiac: alsamixer, maybe. command. |
| 02:14.46 | synx | xlsfonts can only find a few, and none with antialiasing. Multiple Tcl/Tk apps are nearly unreadable. |
| 02:14.53 | pipeline | lfaraone: almost all symbios cards from that era have the appropriate sparc-compatible firmware on them |
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| 02:15.20 | Zopiac | mmk thx....doesnt solve my problem though :\ |
| 02:15.23 | synx | And now I noticed that all the Japanese ideograms, but not the other letters, turned into mysterio boxes instead of being the kanji. |
| 02:15.34 | enouf | lfaraone: any 64bit CPU maxing out at 1G RAM might as well be ... well 16 bit :-P |
| 02:15.49 | synx | I haven't messed with fonts at all. This has just been happening. I think it might be some kind of reorganization going on with Debian's font packages? |
| 02:15.55 | lfaraone | pipeline: I'm wondering whether it'd be worth it. I can spend some time on the ultra, or I can use one of the 20 400mhz AMD OLPC mobos I have lying around. |
| 02:16.00 | Zopiac | my PROBLEM is that rhythmbox isnt playing radio (havent tried plain mp3s) for very long, and then cant reconnect |
| 02:16.21 | pipeline | lfaraone: it wouldn't be very much fooling around... you just find a cheap, compatible scsi card, and you're done. |
| 02:16.27 | toxrn | wich is a good mirror for lenny now? |
| 02:16.28 | pipeline | lfaraone: that, or avoid doing disk I/O :) |
| 02:16.32 | enouf | lfaraone: i joke about amd64 and intel x86_64 CPUs as being 36bit and 40bit CPUs .. cause their max RAM is now 1TB (consumer crp) |
| 02:16.59 | lfaraone | pipeline: lol. I'm alreadying having to spend 20USD on a kbd for it. |
| 02:17.03 | Zopiac | enouf: max ram is TECHNICALLY 17 exabytes ^.^ |
| 02:17.09 | enouf | pipeline: somehow .. i think i nice cheap scsi card would be much easier ;0 |
| 02:17.11 | pipeline | lfaraone: heh, waste of money |
| 02:17.19 | synx | Zopiac: I've never used rhythmbox, but I bet it uses alsa. So are you sure that alsa is working right? |
| 02:17.20 | enouf | Zopiac: for? |
| 02:17.21 | lfaraone | pipeline: that includes shipping |
| 02:17.23 | pipeline | lfaraone: buy a sun ray terminal, it's faster than the local console by a considerable measure :P |
| 02:17.36 | Zopiac | enouf: 64bit cpus |
| 02:17.38 | enouf | Zopiac: or do you mean "theoretically" ? |
| 02:17.47 | toxrn | which* |
| 02:17.50 | enouf | !win me |
| 02:17.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 02:18.16 | Zopiac | enouf: no, techically; its a long story ^.^ |
| 02:18.31 | enouf | plays the violin |
| 02:18.48 | Zopiac | synx: im really not sure, but it played music for a bit, but then stopped, so i guesss it CAN play it |
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| 02:19.00 | enouf | makes Zopiac cry him a river |
| 02:19.29 | Zopiac | it just.....wont? |
| 02:19.46 | synx | It stopped? Hm... |
| 02:19.47 | synx | Zopiac: Do you have any other applications that might make a sound, currently running? |
| 02:19.48 | synx | Flash plugin, etc |
| 02:19.51 | synx | GNOME makes sounds... |
| 02:19.57 | enouf | Zopiac: wait .. what's your issue? rhytyhmbox? |
| 02:20.06 | enouf | heh - sp |
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| 02:20.21 | simonrvn | eling |
| 02:20.22 | Zopiac | enouf. yes |
| 02:20.24 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 02:20.32 | enouf | Zopiac: well . explain it again |
| 02:20.36 | Zopiac | lol |
| 02:20.36 | simonrvn | mod_speling |
| 02:20.38 | enouf | what about it |
| 02:20.54 | enouf | simonrvn: /me lazy |
| 02:21.00 | simonrvn | that's the actual name ;) |
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| 02:21.27 | synx | I was just thinking if something is using OSS compatibility, it locks out all other apps from playing sounds. |
| 02:21.27 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_speling.so |
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| 02:21.50 | Zopiac | OK: i tried to connect to a radio stream in rhythmbox, and after about 15 seconds it played; for about a minute, and then stopped. i clicked on another, it gave me a play error, clicked it again and the same thing happened as at first; played after a while, but not for long |
| 02:21.54 | simonrvn | that's why i force everything through to pulseaudio |
| 02:22.04 | enouf | hey! resolve lost an e and umount lost a n ... must be the "sock and the dryer" syndrome ;-) |
| 02:22.16 | synx | You should try mp3s Zopiac. If you're streaming it might just be a slow connection. |
| 02:22.21 | Zopiac | now all of the threads are either unresponsive or tell me theres an Unknown Playback WError |
| 02:22.23 | simonrvn | enouf: yup ;p |
| 02:22.37 | Zopiac | synx: ya, i just dont have any on me, hold on |
| 02:22.46 | synx | mp3s are better than streaming anyway. Radio stations should have m3us not streams. |
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| 02:22.55 | synx | can send Zopiac one? o.O |
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| 02:23.14 | Guerin | enouf: she's completely righteous. Best thing ever :) |
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| 02:24.46 | Zopiac | synx: nah i got one, i remember being easily able to use a Chop Suey song when this comp held Mac OS 9 |
| 02:25.07 | Zopiac | couldnt get itunes to pay mp3s >.< radio was great tho..... |
| 02:25.30 | synx | itunes sucks |
| 02:25.32 | synx | ballz |
| 02:25.35 | Zopiac | D; |
| 02:25.42 | synx | </artificial voice> |
| 02:25.53 | Zopiac | hey lookie there chop suey is playing perfectly |
| 02:25.59 | simonrvn | hairy donkey balls, if you must |
| 02:26.24 | Zopiac | in the web browser, gonna check rhythmbox soon |
| 02:26.41 | synx | Someone once asked me "Hey I put an mp3 on my ipod and can't find it again. How do i get it off my ipod?" |
| 02:26.46 | synx | I just shook my head. |
| 02:26.49 | simonrvn | ooh, ppc box :) |
| 02:27.07 | Zopiac | w00 ^.^ |
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| 02:27.45 | d-b | synx: well dah itunes did it for them. |
| 02:27.49 | simonrvn | pats the beige g3 sitting next to him |
| 02:27.50 | enouf | Guerin: bravo! |
| 02:28.02 | d-b | problem is itunes doesn't work in backwards mode ! |
| 02:28.13 | synx | So hey fonts on debian? How do I get Tcl/Tk readable again? It looks like they just disappeared from xlsfonts. I'm not running Xfs or anything, but many of my xorg.conf font paths (type1) vanished too. |
| 02:28.16 | simonrvn | !fuck itunes |
| 02:28.28 | Zopiac | blue&white G3 & blue imac G3 |
| 02:28.37 | simonrvn | !screw itunes |
| 02:28.40 | Zopiac | well rhythmbox is playing the mp3 perfectly too |
| 02:28.42 | simonrvn | oh poo |
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| 02:28.59 | Zopiac | stop hating itunes :( |
| 02:29.00 | synx | d-b: You can't copy mp3s off an ipod, at least not with Apple authorized programs heh. |
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| 02:29.03 | dff_ | how do you list packages that apt-get has installed |
| 02:29.16 | synx | won't mention the combination of i and rip here of course. |
| 02:29.25 | simonrvn | i might get my hands on a b&w soon; my partner's box is a lime fw imac |
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| 02:29.33 | d-b | synx: .... copy / paste ? |
| 02:29.37 | simonrvn | dff_: with dpkg |
| 02:29.45 | synx | I'm just jealous 'cause I can't afford a mp3 player. |
| 02:29.45 | d-b | meh offtopic. |
| 02:29.52 | dff_ | simonrvn, syntax? |
| 02:30.12 | simonrvn | dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 02:30.12 | dpkg | ii | grep '^.i' 1.1-2.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 02:30.20 | smacnay | any problems if one chooses to not use the vbox-ose in Deb and opt for the PUEL version? I see maintenance of the kernel module being a "gotcha" |
| 02:30.25 | synx | What is on topic is fonts. I apt-get upgrade and they seems to vanish. |
| 02:30.31 | simonrvn | dpkg: shaddup |
| 02:30.31 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 02:30.43 | Zopiac | D: i was just gonna plug in my Bass and play along to chop suey, but then realized i lost my pic >.< |
| 02:31.06 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:31.07 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:31.39 | simonrvn | abrotman: wb |
| 02:31.43 | abrotman | i've been here! |
| 02:31.58 | simonrvn | no you haven't :P |
| 02:32.08 | simonrvn | giggles and runs away |
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| 02:39.31 | synx | This is the quietest I've ever seen #debian. |
| 02:39.31 | jberg | hm, i've tried to install imagemagick via aptitude, but my perl program says it can't find IM's librarry files, does anyone know what i need to do? |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | jberg: what's the actual error ? |
| 02:40.14 | synx | jberg: You need to install the perl modules too. Try apt-get install perlmagick |
| 02:40.29 | jberg | Can't locate Image/Magick.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at make-album.pl line 8. |
| 02:40.33 | synx | "Perl interface to the libMagick graphics routines" |
| 02:40.35 | jberg | synx, ah |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | jberg: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:41.05 | synx | libmagic++10 just installs the C library. Perl needs modules around that to grok it. |
| 02:41.28 | jberg | synx, thanks |
| 02:41.43 | jberg | abrotman, i just did aptitude search imagemagick :X |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | didn't think to append perl to that ? |
| 02:42.31 | synx | grumbles something about libmagick-perl |
| 02:42.47 | jberg | no i thought perl was bundled with imagemagick |
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| 02:43.09 | synx | Nope, neither. |
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| 02:43.34 | Iradieh | Does anyone here use YAKUAKE? It crasches everytime i have screen open, but resume in another computer |
| 02:43.54 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 02:43.54 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 02:44.02 | simonrvn | Iradieh: ^^^ |
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| 02:45.29 | Iradieh | dpkg: bug and bug... I mean is there a way to prevent it I dont think it is a bug |
| 02:45.29 | dpkg | Iradieh: okay |
| 02:45.32 | Iradieh | it is bin/bash that crasches |
| 02:45.33 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 02:45.42 | abrotman | Iradieh: dpkg is a bot |
| 02:45.46 | Iradieh | I know |
| 02:45.48 | abrotman | dpkg: forget bug and bug... I mean |
| 02:45.49 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot bug and bug... i mean |
| 02:46.01 | abrotman | then why woudl you talk to it like that ? |
| 02:46.07 | Iradieh | abrotman: force of habit hiligithing |
| 02:46.13 | Iradieh | abrotman: wanted to hilight simonrvn |
| 02:46.26 | abrotman | yeah .. i can see how that's confusing |
| 02:46.50 | Iradieh | :P |
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| 02:50.59 | simonrvn | forget dpkg: bug and bug... I mean |
| 02:51.04 | simonrvn | !forget dpkg: bug and bug... I mean |
| 02:51.04 | dpkg | simonrvn: i didn't have anything called 'dpkg: bug and bug... i mean' to forget |
| 02:51.24 | simonrvn | ah, abrotman got it, good |
| 02:51.36 | abrotman | slow! |
| 02:51.53 | simonrvn | just came back to irc ;) |
| 02:52.03 | simonrvn | is migrating stuff to other stuff |
| 02:52.20 | somnambulant | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.28 | somnambulant | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.33 | somnambulant | woops sorry |
| 02:53.23 | synx | Well I tried installing xfonts-scalable. We'll see... |
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| 02:54.40 | rgr_ | what is the command line command to set a png as the x desktop wallpaper? |
| 02:55.09 | Guerin | rgr_: man feh |
| 02:55.18 | Guerin | (or you can use any number of other tools) |
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| 02:56.38 | rgr_ | though there was an xset something or other. xsetroot wont do pngs. But I know there is one ... |
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| 03:02.49 | rgr_ | xloadimage |
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| 03:05.56 | peleg | Is there a command to flash the screen, or blink it? |
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| 03:06.15 | peleg | maybe something like the visual bell of screen |
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| 03:10.35 | amphi | peleg: echo -e '\a' |
| 03:10.50 | amphi | peleg: if visual bell is enabled ;) |
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| 03:12.00 | peleg | amphi, thanks, but it's not... I'm looking for a workaround |
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| 03:14.25 | Winnipeger | Hi... I was thinking about installing Fedora alongside my Debian lenny install. But I was gonna start fresh and go full disk encryption. I was wondering, if this will be relatively easy from the debian lenny installer. Can I run two separate encrypted systems on one disk, with a shared home and swap? |
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| 03:15.13 | AussieGuy | is it possible to make a certain group....then make it so that the users of that group can sudo to one another, without entering a password? |
| 03:15.27 | Winnipeger | Or.. maybe I should just install fedora and debian alonside one another, and create a shared encrypted home and tmp. What do you think? |
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| 03:16.39 | dff_ | AussieGuy, sudo or su? |
| 03:16.53 | AussieGuy | sudo preferrably |
| 03:17.35 | AussieGuy | ive got a script which starts proceeses under a few different users, it would save running that script as root |
| 03:17.45 | AussieGuy | I figured if a hacker exited the shell.... |
| 03:18.39 | AussieGuy | there could be trouble, if you know what I mean |
| 03:19.05 | Winnipeger | AussieGuy: I don't even know what you mean by sudo to one another |
| 03:20.16 | AussieGuy | say you have the group gtkg...... and the users gtkg1, gtkg2, gtkg3, gtkg4...not human users, just ones ive put for system purposes....and I want gtk1 to be able to run commands with sudo under gtk2, gtgk3's credentials, without having to enter a password |
| 03:20.27 | Guerin | AussieGuy: you're not still proceeding with this hare-brained scheme of starting gnutella under a bunch of users concurrently, are you? |
| 03:20.57 | AussieGuy | for now, till I figure out how to increase the connection limit properly |
| 03:21.07 | AussieGuy | I agree its not the best way, but for now it would work |
| 03:22.20 | Guerin | you have my condolences |
| 03:22.32 | AussieGuy | for now I want to run 6 processes, 200 connections each...which is the maximum I could tweak each process to handle |
| 03:22.46 | Winnipeger | sorry... that's beyond me. I thought sudo was just used to run as root... I didn't realize you could sudo to another users credentials. |
| 03:23.04 | AussieGuy | yep, sudo -u <user> runs command as that user |
| 03:24.37 | Octalot | what if you simply make a setuid wrapper for it, and make copies of that wrapper owned by gtkg1, gtkg2, etc (setuid can be to any user, not just root) |
| 03:24.41 | Winnipeger | AussieGuy: Maybe this link will help you. I think it's what you're talking about... members of a group running a specific command without being prompted for a password |
| 03:24.42 | Winnipeger | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=721194 |
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| 03:24.59 | Guerin | argh |
| 03:25.10 | TopBunny88 | I am running kde on a fresh installations of etch, However I can't seem to get flash working in either iceweale or Konqueror. Could smoe one please provide me with a link to a known fix for this issue? |
| 03:25.20 | Guerin | sudo isn't for people who don't know how to read a manual |
| 03:25.50 | Winnipeger | Guerin: Is that in the manpage to, or just Guerin's Guide to Life. |
| 03:25.56 | Guerin | TopBunny88: /msg dpkg flash |
| 03:26.04 | AussieGuy | man pages are a lifesafer |
| 03:26.05 | Guerin | Winnipeger: that's just Plain Old Common Sense |
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| 03:36.27 | TopBunny88 | I get the followinf error Resolving fpdownload.macromedia.com... 96.6.34.70 |
| 03:36.27 | TopBunny88 | Connecting to fpdownload.macromedia.com|96.6.34.70|:80... connected. |
| 03:36.27 | TopBunny88 | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 03:36.27 | TopBunny88 | 22:34:05 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
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| 03:38.43 | woden_ | Does Debian Lenny's GNOME desktop come with f-spot? |
| 03:38.55 | abrotman | it's available |
| 03:39.05 | TopBunny88 | Where can i paste the flash instalation error I receive?\ |
| 03:39.25 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:39.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 03:40.20 | woden_ | abrotman: It's not part of the gnome meta-package. So is there a photo manager included, if f-spot isn't there? |
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| 03:40.41 | abrotman | nautilus can display pictures |
| 03:40.58 | abrotman | gthumb maybe ? |
| 03:41.17 | richd | Hey guys, running Debian Lenny. can't configure wine. have the latest binaries, removed my previous ~/.wine but can't figure what else would causse the wine configuration window to not even load |
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| 03:41.49 | woden_ | abrotman: I am thinking more like, I plug in my camera and a box shows up asking what program to start |
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| 03:42.29 | rue_mohr | whats the easiest way to take a machine that boots to command prompt and change it to boot to x? |
| 03:42.44 | TopBunny88 | help wit http://rafb.net/p/uJUr2e99.html please |
| 03:42.50 | Szeraax | Hey guys, running Debian Lenny. can't configure wine. have the latest binaries, removed my previous ~/.wine but can't figure what else would causse the wine configuration window to not even load |
| 03:43.10 | bhundven | woden_: are you talking about the "Removable Drives and Media Preferences" on the System->Preferences menu? |
| 03:43.27 | abrotman | woden_: that's part of gnome .. and if you were to do it now, it would probably ask for a gthumb |
| 03:43.30 | woden_ | bhundven: I don't have that in mine. |
| 03:43.40 | woden_ | abrotman: Ok so gthumb it is then |
| 03:44.06 | abrotman | or just install f-spot |
| 03:44.13 | woden_ | bleh |
| 03:44.15 | Craigevil | Szeraax: you might try using wine-doors or even CrossOver Office/Games |
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| 03:45.12 | woden_ | bhundven: removable drives and media comes from gnome-volume-manager? |
| 03:45.23 | bhundven | right |
| 03:45.42 | woden_ | digital camera part has no options available |
| 03:45.59 | woden_ | I guess default for lenny is gthumb, ya? |
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| 03:46.08 | bhundven | mine has gthumb |
| 03:46.18 | TopBunny88 | how do i refresh my menus in kde? |
| 03:47.56 | bhundven | TopBunny88: do you have menu-xdg installed? If so, when you install an application it should refresh the menu on kde and gnome (and fluxbox as I've seen) |
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| 03:48.20 | woden_ | bhundven: I installed gthumb but the gnome-volume-manager doesn't show it. Maybe I need to restart GNOME? |
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| 03:49.00 | bhundven | woden_: possibly, I never use it really. |
| 03:49.09 | bhundven | :-D |
| 03:49.20 | superlinux | how can i run this on xsession startup :setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,ar ?? |
| 03:49.36 | synx | Figured it out, with regard to Tk. You need to set "*font: something helvetica" with xrdb, after installing xfonts-scalable package. |
| 03:49.43 | superlinux | i use enlightenment as wm |
| 03:49.46 | synx | or some readable font... the font that looks normal sized in xterms is squashed in Tk. |
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| 03:50.27 | synx | xsession happens before your window manager. It's probably gdm or kdm or xdm, or something. |
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| 03:50.50 | superlinux | synx, so? in .xsessionrc? |
| 03:50.56 | TopBunny88 | I managed to get flas working on 64bit ubuntu so i can't understand why in hells name i can't get it working on 32bit debian/ |
| 03:51.13 | superlinux | i use kdm |
| 03:51.19 | bhundven | superlinux: if 'allow-user-xsession' is in /etc/X11/Xsession.options, then you can put it in .xsession |
| 03:51.29 | superlinux | ok |
| 03:51.37 | bhundven | man xsession |
| 03:51.41 | superlinux | ok |
| 03:51.59 | superlinux | i'll see kdm if it has something like it |
| 03:52.03 | synx | superlinux: The file is ~/.xsession I think. I'm not entirely sure though, since I use startx. |
| 03:52.14 | superlinux | synx, it's |
| 03:52.37 | superlinux | but kdm has a way i think. i'll google that |
| 03:52.47 | synx | er, okay technically xsession works with startx, but I use xinitrc |
| 03:53.33 | bhundven | superlinux: Xsession and .xsession are X11 specific. Since both kde and gnome use X11... it should work |
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| 03:53.59 | superlinux | ok |
| 03:54.19 | bhundven | bbiab |
| 03:54.31 | superlinux | cos i load enlightenment .. i think i must check where enlightenment session is saved |
| 03:54.48 | vladi | hi, im having problems with my ati vid card everything seems to work but me XVideo extensions when i do xvinfo i get no adapter presend can someone please help? is the fglrx driver needed now or is the radeon driver in lenny's xorg sufficient? |
| 03:58.54 | TopBunny88 | do i have to delete the flashplayer.xpt file from m~/.mozilla/plugins? |
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| 04:08.37 | sigp239 | Why is it that when I plug in my digital camera, I get 2 boxes that pop up "You have just inserted a medium with digital photos"... |
| 04:08.42 | stoned | TopBunny88, its not needed |
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| 04:10.11 | superlinux | goes to test xsession |
| 04:10.59 | bhundven | sigp239: if you type as root: fdisk -l /dev/sd<Your Camera's disk drive> - it is possible that there are multiple partitions on the camera's flash drive |
| 04:11.24 | sigp239 | And when I right-click on the camera icon on my desktop, it shows 2 "Open with gthumb" menu entries. |
| 04:11.27 | bhundven | or you have multiple flash drives |
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| 04:11.53 | stew | (II) intel(0): Output VGA using initial mode 1440x900 |
| 04:11.59 | stew | ECHANN |
| 04:12.26 | sigp239 | bhundven: /dev/sdc1 * 1 985 2047746+ 6 FAT16 |
| 04:12.39 | sigp239 | that's it |
| 04:13.13 | bhundven | did multiple drives show up in /var/log/messages when you plugged in your camera? |
| 04:13.30 | TopBunny88 | sigp239: Ditch the fat sizteen, it dates back to windows 3.11 |
| 04:13.48 | bhundven | TopBunny88: the camera will not understand anything else |
| 04:13.51 | sigp239 | TopBunny88: That is the filesystem of my digital camera. |
| 04:14.31 | TopBunny88 | oops\ |
| 04:14.31 | sigp239 | bhundven: I just see sdc1 |
| 04:15.18 | bhundven | sigp239: weird. search google and see if there are bugs about that. I'm not sure why that is. |
| 04:15.34 | sigp239 | ok |
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| 04:16.07 | bhundven | unless someone here does... <_< ... >_> |
| 04:16.11 | superjet_busy | I need patch some module in official debian kernel, Just make modules under linux-source and cp the ko is enough? |
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| 04:17.33 | bhundven | superjet_busy: you should check out how module-assistant does it. it is a program/script you can install that helps with stuff like that |
| 04:17.52 | bhundven | don't forget build-essential |
| 04:18.19 | bhundven | thinks module-assistant depends on build-essential |
| 04:18.35 | superjet_busy | bhundven: m-a without the module, it's saa7134 of tv modules |
| 04:21.18 | bhundven | or just |
| 04:21.20 | bhundven | !kernel-package |
| 04:21.20 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps> |
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| 04:22.01 | nnts | I'd like to search recursively for a file that contains the word "foo", how? |
| 04:22.14 | bhundven | find . -name '*foo*' |
| 04:22.17 | bhundven | in the directory |
| 04:22.25 | nnts | not the name |
| 04:22.30 | bhundven | ah |
| 04:22.30 | nnts | the file itself contains "foo" |
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| 04:22.42 | rue_mohr | whats the easiest way to take a machine that boots to command prompt and change it to boot to x? |
| 04:22.44 | bhundven | grep -rn "foo" directory |
| 04:22.57 | bhundven | -n tells you the line number |
| 04:23.17 | nnts | bhundven: wow thanks |
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| 04:23.32 | bhundven | nnts: man grep |
| 04:23.34 | bhundven | :-D |
| 04:23.47 | bhundven | it's your friend |
| 04:24.39 | nnts | oh ok |
| 04:25.01 | smacnay | Has anyone here run the non-ose virtualbox binaries from virtualbox.org? Is it advisable to do so in Deb? |
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| 04:31.32 | Guerin | smacnay: it's never advisable to run third-party binaries |
| 04:31.46 | Guerin | (though sometimes it's the only option) |
| 04:32.10 | sigp239 | bhundven: Maybe it is because my camera has a built-in memory and I added a 2GB memory card? |
| 04:32.38 | smacnay | Guerin: I don't really *need* to but the binary allows usb to work in the virtualbox. |
| 04:33.08 | smacnay | Guerin: the repository "ose" vbox does not. |
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| 04:34.17 | bhundven | sigp239: that would probably be it |
| 04:34.52 | gribouille | hi |
| 04:34.55 | synx | rue_mohr: in /etc/inittab change id:2:initdefault to id:5:initdefault |
| 04:35.20 | rue_mohr | but I dont see anything in the runlevels... oh right, the dirs... k, good stuff |
| 04:35.23 | gribouille | I can't get any sound from my sound card (Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB High Definition Audio Controllerà any idea ? |
| 04:35.25 | synx | rue_mohr: It really depends though. You want an X login prompt I assume. |
| 04:35.32 | gribouille | I can't get any sound from my sound card (Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB High Definition Audio Controller) any idea ? |
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| 04:35.49 | synx | rue_mohr: So you need to install an X display manager, find the runlevel it boots as, and set that runlevel as default. |
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| 04:36.13 | synx | rue_mohr: I think xdm/kdm/gdm start in /etc/rc5.d, with runlevel 5, but don't quote me on that. |
| 04:36.43 | bhundven | synx: I'm at runlevel 2, but still have gdm |
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| 04:37.17 | sigp239 | bhundven: When I take out the 2GB memory card, it doesn't open up 2 windows anymore...weird. |
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| 04:39.06 | bhundven | rue_mohr: do you have gdm or xdm installed? |
| 04:41.14 | rue_mohr | dunno, I'll check how the reboot is going in a bit |
| 04:41.16 | rue_mohr | :) |
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| 04:44.15 | pauljavier | :) |
| 04:45.19 | nullboy | what does it mean when you choose to update with "update manager" and it doesn't do anything, just sits keep kicking you back to the main screen with the package selection |
| 04:48.23 | simonrvn | !tell gribouille -about ask |
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| 04:49.06 | gribouille | the sound I get is extremely low |
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| 04:49.50 | synx | gribouille: listen to "barbie girl" |
| 04:50.08 | gribouille | synx, why ? |
| 04:50.34 | superjet_busy | what's the meaning of M when run `make M=foo/foo` under kernel source? |
| 04:50.46 | synx | gribouille: because that song makes high squeaky sounds |
| 04:51.08 | gribouille | ok |
| 04:51.15 | rue_mohr | whats preffered xdm or gdm? |
| 04:51.21 | rue_mohr | x for kde |
| 04:51.22 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 04:51.25 | synx | superjet_busy: module... I think it selects a module to build? |
| 04:51.26 | rue_mohr | g for gnome? |
| 04:52.10 | synx | rue_mohr: kdm is part of the KDE project. gdm, the Gnome project. xdm comes with X |
| 04:52.20 | superjet_busy | synx: thanks :) I find it in centos site about module build |
| 04:52.22 | gribouille | synx, I have to put my ear on the speaker to hear thje sound |
| 04:55.02 | rue_mohr | ah, so If I'm going kde I should get kdm |
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| 04:58.11 | dihymo | ok what do i need to get multimedia keys working again I use gnome 2.22 on debian |
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| 04:59.34 | synx | gribouille: I'm sorry. :) |
| 04:59.43 | synx | gribouille: Did you check alsamixer? |
| 05:00.25 | gribouille | no |
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| 05:02.03 | synx | gribouille: Try running that command. It lets you change the volume settings on your sound card. |
| 05:02.39 | gribouille | synx, I've already used kmix |
| 05:03.49 | synx | oh, well hm... maybe your speakers are plugged into the wrong plug? Sometimes the sound bleeds a bit from one plug to the other, but sounds very faint. |
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| 05:08.27 | gribouille | does linux have problems with realyek sound cards ? |
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| 05:13.44 | iShock | Hi guys, I get an error trying to log in with my local user after boot - Authentication module cannot retreive authentication info |
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| 05:14.58 | iShock | Anyone? |
| 05:15.22 | synx | not that I know of gribouille. |
| 05:15.51 | iShock | Hi guys, I get an error trying to log in with my local user after boot - Authentication module cannot retreive authentication info |
| 05:16.26 | mhymn_ | !tell iShock -abou repeat |
| 05:16.31 | mhymn_ | !tell iShock -about repeat |
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| 05:17.06 | iShock | Answer me, don't !tell me about repeating :< |
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| 05:17.55 | tabris|away | iShock: the _point_ is that repeating merely annoys. if there is no response, it probably means that no one knows the answer. |
| 05:18.12 | Guerin | iShock: you'll get the answers you deserve. |
| 05:18.24 | synx | Something about PAM irritates me. It only seems to work if you never touch it. |
| 05:18.24 | tabris|away | iShock: fwiw, I can hint with PAM, but... that's a awfully small and thin hint. |
| 05:18.38 | iShock | So basically I toss debian and get WinXP?.. |
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| 05:18.44 | hoxu | iShock, yes, go ahead |
| 05:18.53 | hoxu | troll |
| 05:19.10 | Guerin | iShock: Only if you just want it to be fixed by magic. It sounds like PAM isn't working properly. |
| 05:19.26 | iShock | Even when trying to log in as a local user, instead of my LDAP user? |
| 05:19.35 | tabris|away | it's still PAM. |
| 05:19.41 | Guerin | iShock: yeah, PAM does it all. |
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| 05:19.49 | Guerin | iShock: google your error, and tell us what branch of debian you're using. |
| 05:19.59 | iShock | Etch, and I've tried googling. |
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| 05:20.38 | iShock | I think it'd go easier if debian would dhclient eth0 on boot .. |
| 05:20.53 | Guerin | why the hell would dhclient be an issue? |
| 05:21.01 | hoxu | !tell iShock about interfaces |
| 05:21.02 | tabris|away | iShock: fwiw, you can bypass this with using the single-user mode at boot. |
| 05:21.13 | tabris|away | Guerin: he's _assuming_ he can ssh in... which he won't be able to. |
| 05:21.16 | iShock | Because the box would be on-line, so I could log in with my LDAP user .. And wth is fwiw? |
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| 05:21.49 | tabris|away | iShock: 'for what it's worth'. aparrently a slightly olderschool acronym than 'wth' and 'ftl' |
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| 05:22.23 | iShock | No, wth = what the hell, ftl = for the loss .. I understand what fwiw is now though :P |
| 05:22.51 | synx | ftw, ftw |
| 05:23.28 | tabris|away | and yes, I knew what 'ftl' is, and 'wth' (albeit 'ftl' used to be 'faster than light') |
| 05:23.28 | Guerin | JAFTLA |
| 05:23.37 | tabris|away | Just Another Fucking TLA |
| 05:23.44 | tabris|away | TLA: Three Letter Acronym |
| 05:23.45 | iShock | :Roll: |
| 05:23.47 | Guerin | thank you, captain obvious |
| 05:24.06 | tabris|away | Guerin: I got a demotion, I'm currently only a Lieutenant. |
| 05:24.21 | Guerin | I see you're working toward reinstatement. |
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| 05:25.03 | iShock | Heh .. anyway, should I single user mode it, auto eth0 to /etc/network/interfaces, and restart? |
| 05:25.22 | Guerin | iShock: give it a crack. |
| 05:25.28 | tabris|away | iShock: I don't see how ssh will rescue you. more likely, disable LDAP when you boot to single-user. |
| 05:25.47 | tabris|away | iShock: then again, I might be being dense. |
| 05:25.53 | iShock | tabris|away: It's not to SSH. |
| 05:25.56 | mhymn_ | or tell us what did you do that caused this error.. |
| 05:26.03 | iShock | It's to log in as my LDAP user when I boot. |
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| 05:26.31 | ma3x | /usr/bin/find / -ignore_readdir_race ( -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs -o -fstype nfs4 -o -fstype afs -o -fstype binfmt_misc -o -fstype proc -o -fstype smbfs -o -fstype autofs -o -fstype iso9660 -o -fstype ncpfs -o -fstype coda -o -fstype devpts -o -fstype ftpfs -o -fstype devfs -o -fstype mfs -o -fstype shfs -o -fstype sysfs -o -fstype cifs -o -fstype lustre_lite -o -fstype tmpfs -o -fstype usbfs -o -fstype udf |
| 05:26.36 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.39 | ma3x | why is crontab doing this? |
| 05:26.53 | ma3x | does it do it every day? |
| 05:26.58 | tabris|away | ma3x: think a really evil hack on automount. |
| 05:27.10 | iShock | mhymn_: Raped the BIOS (Took out the RTC battery for 20 mins) to get rid of a power-on password. |
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| 05:27.16 | ma3x | it's system default, right? |
| 05:27.29 | tabris|away | ma3x: I dun remember seeing that in my syslog. |
| 05:27.38 | iShock | I'm gonna try to single-user it. |
| 05:27.43 | iShock | BBS. |
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| 05:29.55 | iShock | Okay, it says Enter root password for maintanance or hit ^D to continue .. Neither works. |
| 05:31.12 | Supaplex | !single |
| 05:31.24 | dpkg | [single] <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care) |
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| 05:31.54 | iShock | Doesn't help :\ |
| 05:32.03 | Supaplex | uh, init=/bin/sh should |
| 05:32.41 | iShock | How?.. |
| 05:32.55 | Supaplex | because you can type passwd after you remount / rw |
| 05:32.57 | tabris|away | Supaplex: but a) it might blow up b) he'd need ot know how to remount rw |
| 05:33.05 | Supaplex | then remount / ro, sync, reboot |
| 05:33.32 | Supaplex | a) you score A+ in smart ass. b) good point. |
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| 05:35.11 | tabris|away | Supaplex: not trying ot be a smartass, but I have had init=/bin/sh end up getting entirely screwed b/c the initrd doesn't get run. |
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| 05:35.31 | iShock | tabris|away: So if I can't get my root password to work, am I screwed? |
| 05:35.34 | syntaxx | any idea on how can i check my disk performance? |
| 05:35.42 | Supaplex | initrd is still run. you have to break=top to abort inside initrd |
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| 05:35.57 | tabris|away | Supaplex: I only said I'd had it happen. I don't remember _when_ |
| 05:35.58 | Supaplex | failing all that, /msg dpkg rescue |
| 05:36.20 | iShock | tabris|away: So if I can't get my root password to work, am I screwed? |
| 05:36.24 | Supaplex | okay :) |
| 05:36.32 | Supaplex | iShock: only if you can't /msg dpkg rescue |
| 05:36.34 | tabris|away | iShock: knoppix might work. if only to recover the data. |
| 05:36.53 | tabris|away | iShock: also, Supaplex's suggestion should be done _before_ you go to knoppix. |
| 05:37.13 | iShock | init=/bin/sh? |
| 05:38.29 | Supaplex | yes. add init=/bin/sh to the kernel args on boot. mount / -o remount,rw ; passwd -- when happy, mount / -o remount,ro ; sync then three finger salute. |
| 05:39.10 | iShock | Huh? |
| 05:39.17 | iShock | Which kernel args? :P |
| 05:39.46 | iShock | Single user or normal |
| 05:40.03 | Supaplex | it won't matter, because init only pays attention to that, and the shell could care less. |
| 05:40.28 | Supaplex | do you use grub? |
| 05:40.41 | iShock | Yeah. I know how to edit kernel args. |
| 05:40.53 | Supaplex | just add init=/bin/sh at the end |
| 05:40.58 | iShock | K. |
| 05:41.05 | iShock | then mouse / -o remount,rw |
| 05:41.07 | iShock | passwd |
| 05:41.14 | Supaplex | mount ... |
| 05:41.15 | iShock | then mouse / -o remount,ro |
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| 05:41.17 | iShock | sync |
| 05:41.20 | iShock | Eh, typo :P |
| 05:41.31 | iShock | kbrb. |
| 05:41.33 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 05:44.52 | iShock | Supaplex: Fail. |
| 05:44.59 | Supaplex | fail how? |
| 05:45.06 | iShock | How do I change the kernel args, it isn't liking me. |
| 05:45.54 | Supaplex | e to edit, arrows to select kernel ..., e to edit the line, arrows to the end of the line, type, enter to finish, |
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| 05:47.16 | iShock | Oh, kernel, there. |
| 05:47.55 | iShock | After mount / -o remount,ro? |
| 05:48.32 | Supaplex | did you ,rw first? ro = read only |
| 05:48.43 | iShock | I haven't done anything yet |
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| 05:48.57 | iShock | Just making sure what to do after that so I don't keep running acrossed the hall :P |
| 05:49.17 | Supaplex | don't you have any dead trees to take notes with? |
| 05:49.42 | iShock | Plenty of paper, no pen :< |
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| 05:51.34 | iShock | So just passwd? |
| 05:51.59 | Supaplex | the filesystem has to be readwrite. mount / -o remount,rw if you have not already |
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| 05:52.06 | iShock | I'm going to. |
| 05:52.26 | iShock | But just passwd, no args? |
| 05:52.35 | Supaplex | yes |
| 05:52.51 | iShock | k |
| 05:54.30 | iShock | Done Supaplex now? |
| 05:54.49 | Supaplex | you changed the root password now? |
| 05:54.57 | iShock | Yeah. |
| 05:55.02 | iShock | Hopefully, anywho :P |
| 05:55.07 | iShock | Said successfull |
| 05:55.54 | Supaplex | mount / -o remount,ro |
| 05:56.00 | iShock | I did. |
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| 05:56.23 | Supaplex | sync + reboot |
| 05:56.57 | iShock | Reboot how? |
| 05:57.04 | iShock | shutdown -r 0 ? |
| 05:57.05 | Supaplex | control + alt + delete |
| 05:57.13 | iShock | Mmk. |
| 05:57.26 | Supaplex | shutdown -r uses init afaik. since initland doesn't exist, it's of no use. |
| 05:57.56 | pmzdotz | init 6 |
| 05:58.17 | Supaplex | pmzdotz: how does that WORK when there's NO init? |
| 05:58.20 | iShock | Ctrl+Alt+Delete isn't work. |
| 05:58.44 | iShock | ing. |
| 05:58.54 | Supaplex | alt+printscreen+b |
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| 05:59.25 | synx | Supaplex: :) |
| 05:59.29 | iShock | Literally b? |
| 05:59.32 | Supaplex | yes |
| 05:59.47 | Supaplex | sysrq = reboot. or echo b > /proc/.../sysrq :p |
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| 06:00.05 | Supaplex | I think anyway.. the latter is quite a hack. |
| 06:00.12 | synx | iShock: It's the magic SysRq key |
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| 06:00.28 | synx | iShock: There's all sorts of neat things you can do with it, most horribly bad for any running system. |
| 06:01.01 | jerry_ | says cheers to fellow 24" screen users :) |
| 06:01.21 | Guerin | hm, i didn't know about alt+prtscrn+b |
| 06:01.56 | buu | There's a whole sequence |
| 06:01.57 | liable | thats a mighty large epenis |
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| 06:02.08 | liable | oops, i ment screen :) |
| 06:02.18 | buu | It's like, k to kill, u to umount, r, to reboot? |
| 06:02.29 | synx | remount all partitions read only, kill all processes, reboot, halt, um... dump some memory information. I forget what else. |
| 06:02.30 | synx | Guerin: Try it >:D |
| 06:02.31 | Guerin | well, while we're making unverifiable boasts ... |
| 06:02.42 | Guerin | synx: i will, next time this box needs to go down |
| 06:02.43 | Supaplex | assuming unmount+sync did their job already, EREDUNDANT. but yeah. |
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| 06:03.29 | jerry_ | Guerin: good one |
| 06:03.49 | jerry_ | now I can sue you for damages, how much are you worth ? :) |
| 06:04.06 | Guerin | jerry_: depends how much I damage you |
| 06:04.09 | synx | SysRq+q will bring up the various possible keys I tihnk. |
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| 06:04.26 | Supaplex | sysrq + any non sysrq key will. I usually use Z as a reminder. |
| 06:04.28 | synx | Guerin: NO DON'T |
| 06:04.29 | synx | Guerin: It's a hair's breadth away from pulling out the power cord. <3 |
| 06:04.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:04.42 | Guerin | i don't follow advice I get from irc randoms |
| 06:04.49 | Supaplex | jerry_: would you like the gpl warranty? |
| 06:04.54 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:05.01 | iShock | Debian is officially fail. |
| 06:05.06 | iShock | My ctrl button doesn't work.. |
| 06:05.09 | Guerin | iShock: user error |
| 06:05.19 | Supaplex | haha. blame your tools. .... right. |
| 06:05.32 | Sazpaimon | so what do I do if i need to run an application that requires GLIBC_2.4 on etch |
| 06:05.35 | synx | I relish that luxury about LiveCDs. If nothing's mounted rw, I can Alt+PrintScr+b and it starts booting again in less than a second. |
| 06:05.40 | Sazpaimon | other than upgrading to lenny (production system) |
| 06:05.41 | Supaplex | ~lart iShock for tollerating a broken key |
| 06:05.41 | apt | moos at iShock for tollerating a broken key |
| 06:05.44 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: manage your expectations |
| 06:05.50 | jerry_ | Supaplex: yeah |
| 06:05.58 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, what |
| 06:06.01 | iShock | Seriously though. I can't fix /etc/network/interfaces because I can't ctrl+x to save it rofl. |
| 06:06.08 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: start with `need' |
| 06:06.18 | Supaplex | iShock: laptop? |
| 06:06.19 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: or you could use a backport, if such ancientness still exists |
| 06:06.28 | iShock | Yes. No spare keyboards though. |
| 06:06.36 | Supaplex | you might be able to reassign keys, but I have no clue. |
| 06:06.43 | liable | iShock: use vim, !wq |
| 06:06.44 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, i can backport libc? isn't that the difference between lenny and etch and sarge and woody, etc |
| 06:06.50 | Supaplex | eg, make something else act like it. |
| 06:07.15 | Supaplex | Sazpaimon: there's always the unbackport backport. dist-upgrade ;) |
| 06:07.18 | iShock | vim .. Good idea.. Except I forgot how to work it. Anyway, just auto eth0 will start it up right? |
| 06:07.30 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 06:07.30 | dpkg | nvi sucks |
| 06:07.37 | liable | ifup eth0 |
| 06:07.41 | Supaplex | real men use ed ;) |
| 06:07.52 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: it is possible to backport libc, but whether you can do it or not remains a question I am unqualified to answer. It's far from trivial. |
| 06:07.56 | Sazpaimon | Supaplex, [22:05] <Sazpaimon> other than upgrading to lenny (production system) |
| 06:07.57 | Sazpaimon | :P |
| 06:08.01 | liable | real men edit the puchcards! |
| 06:08.11 | iShock | So vim /etc/network/interfaces, auto eth0, !wq |
| 06:08.33 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, wont that break most of my apps? |
| 06:08.37 | Crypticfortune | real men use butterflies to effect wind currents such that the upper atmosphere refracts cosmic rays to flip the desired bit |
| 06:08.39 | liable | i to edit, then esc, then !wq |
| 06:08.41 | rue_mohr | what do I install to actaully set up and configure X? |
| 06:08.48 | Guerin | wait, huh |
| 06:08.56 | Guerin | !info libc6 etch |
| 06:08.57 | iShock | Supaplex: just auto eth0 rite? |
| 06:08.58 | Guerin | !info libc6 lenny |
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| 06:09.07 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, that is to say, wont i need to recompile my apps for the new libc version |
| 06:09.08 | glax | HI guys, I am trying to configure a wireless card on a compaq. lspci -nn returns this "06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card [14e4:4311] (rev 01)", I already install bcm43xx-fwcutter and do modprobe bcm43xx but still the card is not detected |
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| 06:09.19 | Supaplex | echo -en "auto lo\nauto eth0\niface lo inet loopback\niface eth0 inet dhcp\n" > interfaces |
| 06:09.20 | jerry_ | iShock: http://pastebin.com/m79f10ea3 |
| 06:09.21 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 10808 kB |
| 06:09.29 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-16 (lenny), Packaged size: 4334 kB, Installed size: 10508 kB |
| 06:09.37 | Guerin | woah, I got my versions mixed upo |
| 06:09.48 | rue_mohr | what do I install to actaully set up and configure X? |
| 06:09.52 | iShock | Supaplex: Really? |
| 06:09.57 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: sorry, I thought 2.4 was old, but it's new. Brain malfunction, probably caused by beer deficiency. |
| 06:09.59 | jerry_ | iShock: actually thats for a wireless connection, ... |
| 06:10.02 | stew | rue_mohr: xorg |
| 06:10.04 | Supaplex | iShock: assuming you only have eth0 and lo |
| 06:10.16 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: yes, installing a different version of libc is extremely non-trivial. You want to do it in a chroot. |
| 06:10.19 | iShock | Or I could vim interfaces |
| 06:10.25 | rue_mohr | apt-get install xorg? |
| 06:10.30 | stew | rue_mohr: sure |
| 06:10.36 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, then valve is stupid for compilng their newest server binaries for libc 2.4 |
| 06:10.46 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: yeah, but that's valve. |
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| 06:10.54 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, how about i just run the windows server in wine |
| 06:10.59 | Sazpaimon | that would be easier than chroot |
| 06:11.00 | iShock | Anyway, gonna worry about it tomorrow. |
| 06:11.10 | saff | what is the name of the program that can setup the x11 config file? |
| 06:11.11 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: i see you hate performance |
| 06:11.16 | saff | for some reason x11 isn't starting |
| 06:11.18 | GhostlyDeath | I setup bridging with brctl, if I were to restart my computer would my settings be saved? |
| 06:11.22 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, works fine with my gmod server |
| 06:11.24 | GhostlyDeath | or would I have to setup bridging all over again? |
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| 06:11.44 | Supaplex | !tell saff -about setup x |
| 06:11.56 | rue_mohr | stew, you might think that would have been a dependency of all the other x stuff I installed |
| 06:11.59 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: i mean `chroot' loosely - in fact you'd need to do it in some sort of virtualisation, though most are better than wine. At this point I'd be more inclined to just upgrade to lenny. |
| 06:12.05 | stew | rue_mohr: like what? |
| 06:12.14 | rue_mohr | oh kdm |
| 06:12.20 | rue_mohr | whatever had startx in it |
| 06:12.35 | rue_mohr | kdenlive |
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| 06:12.38 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, not on a production sever, not yet at least |
| 06:12.48 | stew | rue_mohr: kdm runs fine using an x server from another machine over the network |
| 06:12.56 | stew | rue_mohr: same goes for any x client |
| 06:12.59 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: probably saner than wine. But it's your call. |
| 06:13.07 | rue_mohr | yea, I'd still have thought it would have been caught |
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| 06:13.17 | rue_mohr | annoying that tasksel it borked |
| 06:13.30 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, wine has made lots of leaps and bounds lately |
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| 06:13.37 | Crypticfortune | i'm confused about linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64. why's the description list it as "oldstyle xen support" when there are no clues about what "newstyle xen suppot" would entail? |
| 06:14.34 | Supaplex | good question |
| 06:15.45 | Crypticfortune | GhostlyDeath: if by "saved" you mean "bridge automatically recreated", it depends on how you set it up. since you said you used brctl, I'm going to guess no. |
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| 06:16.41 | Crypticfortune | Supaplex: so i guess it would be safe to assume that if i want xen, i want "oldstyle xen" then i guess? |
| 06:16.45 | GhostlyDeath | Crypticfortune: How would I make it so it automatically rebridges it all? |
| 06:17.26 | Crypticfortune | GhostlyDeath: you can set up bridges in /etc/network/interfaces that will be automatically created on boot |
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| 06:23.03 | Supaplex | Crypticfortune: no idea. hopefully old works. |
| 06:23.28 | saff | what was the package for all the build tools? |
| 06:23.33 | saff | such as GCC, make etc |
| 06:23.39 | saff | it was build-somethingsomething |
| 06:23.52 | GhostlyDeath | essential |
| 06:23.57 | saff | you rock thanks |
| 06:24.02 | GhostlyDeath | np |
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| 06:26.11 | saff | where can I get a list of repositories? |
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| 06:28.32 | jerry_ | saff: debian.org |
| 06:28.50 | Supaplex | !tell saff -about mirrors |
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| 06:29.27 | lif0 | hey hey hey! |
| 06:30.21 | nullboy | whoa man calm donw! no rukus!! |
| 06:30.28 | jerry_ | saff: save the mirror file from the ftp to your home dir :) |
| 06:30.58 | saff | hmm it seems I cant install build-essentials |
| 06:31.12 | jerry_ | saff: build-essential |
| 06:31.21 | saff | ops yeah I meant what you said lol |
| 06:31.22 | jerry_ | saff: apt-cache search XXXXXX |
| 06:31.37 | jerry_ | saff: apt-get update |
| 06:31.49 | saff | I did |
| 06:31.54 | saff | it gives me |
| 06:32.26 | saff | "Package build-essential is not avaiable, but is referred to by another ackage." This may mean that the ackage is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only availale from another source" |
| 06:32.32 | saff | sorry about spelling |
| 06:34.41 | mhymn_ | apt-cache policy build-essential ? |
| 06:35.11 | jhambo | to install alsa-oss in lenny is there anything other than `aptitude install alsa-oss` that I need to do? |
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| 06:36.58 | glax | Hi guys, Is lenny already stable? |
| 06:37.06 | mhymn_ | nope |
| 06:37.25 | mhymn_ | jhambo: nope |
| 06:37.33 | iuri | hi there, i installed diff-ext and meld on my box and i want to link both |
| 06:37.43 | iuri | how do i do: |
| 06:38.27 | nullboy | can one actually download something named lenny or is that still referred to as testing? |
| 06:38.34 | jhambo | mhymn_: hmmmm bummer. I'm still not getting any sound in fceu :( |
| 06:39.37 | mhymn_ | nullboy: yes, you can download "lenny" |
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| 06:42.44 | jerry_ | glax no its not stable, when its released it will be stable |
| 06:42.50 | saff | how do you know what version of debian oyu have installed? |
| 06:43.33 | mhymn_ | saff: /etc/debian_version |
| 06:43.52 | saff | it just says 4.0 |
| 06:44.04 | mhymn_ | and that's etch |
| 06:44.04 | jerry_ | saff: thats etch |
| 06:44.23 | jerry_ | nullboy: lenny and testing are one in the same |
| 06:44.36 | nullboy | jerry_: that's what i thought |
| 06:44.37 | nullboy | thanks |
| 06:45.56 | saff | argh is there any easy way to add a source to /etc/apt/source.list? |
| 06:46.07 | Supaplex | use an editor |
| 06:46.15 | saff | argh |
| 06:46.18 | Supaplex | !apt-spy |
| 06:46.18 | dpkg | somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 06:47.04 | saff | that wont work |
| 06:47.15 | saff | apt-get install apt-spy - Couldn't find package apt-spy |
| 06:47.16 | Supaplex | cry me a river |
| 06:47.23 | Supaplex | !sources.list |
| 06:47.24 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:47.32 | Crypticfortune | hmmmm nope. the "oldstyle xen" kernel crashes immediately. it can't even see the top of the error message >_<;; |
| 06:47.37 | mhymn_ | judd: versions apt-spy |
| 06:47.38 | judd | mhymn_: apt-spy -- etch: 3.1-16 lenny: 3.1-19 sid: 3.1-19 |
| 06:47.49 | jhambo | When I run fceu, I get "Initializing sound...Error opening a sound device.". How can I get sound!? |
| 06:48.01 | jhambo | gotta love the chiptunes |
| 06:48.50 | mhymn_ | jhambo: not sure, probably permisson problem or sound card is busy |
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| 06:49.47 | anoHito | may i ask a question please |
| 06:50.01 | Supaplex | !ask |
| 06:50.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:50.02 | nullboy | not meta questions allwoed |
| 06:50.05 | nullboy | no* |
| 06:50.18 | anoHito | if a .so file was compiled from language C, is there a way to decode it ? |
| 06:50.19 | Supaplex | wow. these factoids just keep getting nosier :p |
| 06:50.22 | nullboy | lol |
| 06:50.37 | anoHito | that .so file works as a module of apache,it works great |
| 06:50.57 | Sling | anoHito : that would be decompiling |
| 06:51.05 | Sling | and no, you will not just magically get the C source |
| 06:51.11 | anoHito | but if we can reckon in that .so file to find out the logic of how the writer was thinking and blah,would be nice |
| 06:51.17 | nullboy | anoHito: if it's an apache module why not just read the source? |
| 06:51.19 | Supaplex | anoHito: generally you need the source code. decompiling is difficult, and is left for the experts |
| 06:51.53 | anoHito | read the source ? where ? |
| 06:52.01 | Gm4n | anoHito: you might want to try hex rays |
| 06:52.02 | Supaplex | apt-get source |
| 06:52.05 | nullboy | get the source for that module |
| 06:52.10 | Sling | www.thesource.com |
| 06:52.11 | anoHito | The install package has some txt file ,besides that .so file and that is all |
| 06:52.21 | Sling | anoHito : check the module's homepage |
| 06:52.24 | nullboy | anoHito: which module is it? |
| 06:52.31 | nullboy | you don't need to be all cryptic |
| 06:52.38 | Sling | not all of them are open source though |
| 06:52.41 | Supaplex | well, if you weren't so vague, we don't have to assume all this |
| 06:52.49 | anoHito | no Sling ,this package is not from apache ,it was written by a company in my area |
| 06:53.10 | nullboy | anoHito: so ask them for it, if they feel compelled, the might give it to you |
| 06:53.14 | Supaplex | compiled binaries are like women. I've spent all my life figuring them out. no luck. |
| 06:53.51 | anoHito | nullboy, they say we need to pay money to get their souce,that is why i was thinking if we can decode that .so file,because other files are all plaint txt file,no secret |
| 06:53.53 | karsten | Supaplex: Show me a woman I can kill -9 and brag about it without fear of consequences. |
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| 06:54.13 | Supaplex | yes, "like" not "exactly like" |
| 06:54.14 | nullboy | anoHito: well then you need to pay them. they probably hold copyrights, rules are rules. |
| 06:54.35 | Supaplex | if you don't like my analogy, /clear it off your mind |
| 06:54.43 | Sling | anoHito : if you are trying to get the source of a copyrighted program, you are crossing the legal/illegal line |
| 06:54.44 | anoHito | i mean, technically, we barely can decode a .so file in my matter ? |
| 06:54.47 | Sling | and we won't help you there |
| 06:55.24 | anoHito | Sling, you misunderstood me, i mean technically :( i don't mean we will give it a try. |
| 06:55.36 | nullboy | anoHito: the rules are the rules. if it is there code, they worked for it and paid their devs to write it. they are allowed to sell it and charge or source access if that's how they want to do it. |
| 06:55.37 | Sling | google for decompiling |
| 06:55.38 | jerry_ | anoHito: if you dont have a clue how it was done, then decoding is not going to help you |
| 06:55.47 | Supaplex | no disassemble johnny5.so |
| 06:55.48 | nullboy | there/their |
| 06:55.54 | jerry_ | anoHito: make your own |
| 06:56.12 | anoHito | Sling, i assume as they told us we need to pay money to get the source code,so that that .so file maybe won't be able to decompling right |
| 06:56.26 | Supaplex | anoHito: learn how to write a compiler first. then you'll realise how difficult it is. |
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| 06:57.06 | Sling | a decompiler might be a better start |
| 06:57.19 | anoHito | i see,so the conclustion is ,the success rate would be very low :( |
| 06:57.23 | Sling | yes |
| 06:57.40 | nullboy | anoHito: basically, you are asking a support channel of a distribution that even adheres to the rules of software in such a way that such closed access software is not included in the default official package set. |
| 06:57.50 | nullboy | if they charge for it, it is only proper to pay |
| 06:58.05 | anoHito | Sling, i ask that because i was thinking maybe i only need something like a .so file viewer to get to know it,i was wrong. |
| 06:58.18 | Sling | .so files are binary files |
| 06:58.27 | Gm4n | if I reboot in the middle of a raid resync, is the resync progress lost? |
| 06:58.34 | anoHito | I see |
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| 06:59.38 | mhymn_ | anoHito: or you might want to know what "Reverse Engineering" is!!! |
| 07:00.04 | anoHito | :) |
| 07:00.05 | jhambo | do I have to modprobe or restart or anything after doing `aptitude install alsa-oss`? |
| 07:00.18 | cxhan | anyone know how to enable Xvideo using drivers from ati in testing |
| 07:00.21 | nullboy | what about finding a similar tasked module that is opensource and reading that? you could probably use similar concepts to do what you need with opensourced software |
| 07:00.52 | jerry_ | thinks to himself this is similar to what the physicists are trying to do, take the world and find out how it was made, ie get the source code, they will never be successful |
| 07:01.08 | Sling | well they have the source code now, but they lack a compiler |
| 07:01.14 | Sling | so they dont know how it works |
| 07:01.37 | kingsley | Can one computer have two nics that belong to the same subnet? If so, does the linux kernel require special configuration to effortlessly share packets between the nics? |
| 07:02.07 | nullboy | kingsley: you might want to look into bonding |
| 07:02.07 | cxhan | xvinfo gives output "no adaptors present" |
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| 07:02.39 | saff | how would I go about getting my kernel source, trying to install nvidia drivers |
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| 07:03.25 | prxtien | hey all |
| 07:03.31 | prxtien | since i removed a couple harddrives from my system, on boot it always hangs and drops to busybox |
| 07:03.34 | prxtien | i get errors about mounting /root /sys /proc failed |
| 07:03.40 | TopBunny88 | How does one go about getting pine from the repositories |
| 07:04.39 | cxhan | alpine seems to be a nice successor to pine |
| 07:04.54 | jerry_ | prxtien: you dont just remove hard drives from your system , put them back , check /etc/fstab |
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| 07:05.45 | mhymn_ | saff: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 07:05.56 | prxtien | well i cant put them back, and i dont understand why drives that arnt being used have any impact on booting |
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| 07:06.12 | mhymn_ | TopBunny88: aptitude install pine ? |
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| 07:06.23 | Gm4n | if I reboot in the middle of a raid resync, is the resync progress lost? |
| 07:08.08 | saff | mhymn_, thanks |
| 07:08.23 | mhymn_ | np |
| 07:08.41 | prxtien | jerry_, what is the correct process if i want to remove a non-system drive from the computer then |
| 07:08.42 | kingsley | nullboy: As you suggested, I looked into bonding. Do you happen to know if the "broadcast" variant of bonding echos packets back out onto the same interface that they arrived on? |
| 07:09.31 | jerry_ | prxtien: well when you remove drives, the computer may see different drives as different address, ie /dev/sda3 becomes /dev/sda2 .... |
| 07:09.35 | nullboy | kingsley: there should be a way to make the kernel handle everything properly, i think there is some arp tuning options in /proc for that |
| 07:09.43 | saff | I get a milion errors when starting all they all say something around the lines of "Warning: Fake start-stop=daemon called, doing nothing." and its for legit stuf like kdm atd statd inetd etc |
| 07:09.56 | prxtien | i understand the theory but how does one plan for this |
| 07:09.59 | jerry_ | prxtien: you will need to make sure the partitions or logical drives described in /etc/fstab matches your layout |
| 07:10.20 | prxtien | well if i reconnect the drives, then it DOES match the layout |
| 07:10.27 | prxtien | but as soon as i remove the drives again, it will no longer |
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| 07:11.12 | saff | mhymn_, it returned couldnt find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers2.6.18-6-486" |
| 07:11.19 | jerry_ | prxtien: well you should make sure your system partition is always on the first drive |
| 07:11.29 | nullboy | prxtien: well the procedure would be something like looking in fstab to determine what partition/disk is mounted where and then using cp or tar to migrate those contents over to the main disk |
| 07:11.46 | prxtien | well its not always that easy |
| 07:12.03 | mhymn_ | saff: you missed a dash after headers |
| 07:12.25 | saff | oh ops thanks |
| 07:12.27 | prxtien | so for my prediciment now |
| 07:12.37 | prxtien | should i boot in with something like a knoppix |
| 07:12.40 | prxtien | and edit my /etc/fstab |
| 07:12.56 | prxtien | seeing as i have taken out sdb and my system disk is sdc |
| 07:13.01 | prxtien | i presume my system disk is now sdb |
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| 07:13.15 | saff | also when I try starting anything via /etc/init.d/foobar start get the error Warning... Fake start up deamon something something any ideas? |
| 07:13.28 | prxtien | but ill also need to make appropriate changes in lilo config also i presume |
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| 07:13.38 | saff | "Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, do nothing."* |
| 07:14.04 | jerry_ | prxtien: put your system disk where whats sda is, edit /etc/fstab, reboot, or only put one disk drive system disk |
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| 07:14.52 | jerry_ | prxtien: just save your info and do a reinstall man, create a huge parition and dump all of your files, thats all, stop making it complicatted |
| 07:15.07 | prxtien | nah im not reinstalling |
| 07:15.29 | kingsley | What's the easiest way to physically connect three computers to the same subnet? |
| 07:15.35 | prxtien | its not the first partition as ive got another distro on the first paritiot |
| 07:15.43 | prxtien | first partition is vmware esx server |
| 07:15.45 | nullboy | kingsley: plug them into the same switch? |
| 07:16.08 | jerry_ | prxtien: I dont know, try to figure it out |
| 07:16.23 | prxtien | bleh |
| 07:16.24 | jerry_ | prxtien: I am sure you can get it done, think it over, |
| 07:16.29 | kingsley | nullboy: Can you elaborate on what kind of "switch" you have in mind? |
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| 07:16.37 | nullboy | kingsley: an ethernet switch |
| 07:16.50 | prxtien | if i boot in with live cd, edit fstab |
| 07:16.59 | prxtien | should this work |
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| 07:17.09 | prxtien | or do i need to edit lilo.conf and rerun lilo aswell |
| 07:17.20 | saff | argh how would I get my second monitor working with X11? Got irst one working |
| 07:17.22 | nullboy | kingsley: a subnet is a logical concept though, you only define a subnet with address space. |
| 07:17.32 | anddam | hello |
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| 07:18.14 | kingsley | nullboy: Can one buy "ethernet switch"s at many computer stores? |
| 07:18.31 | nullboy | kingsley: every computer stone of the planet should have a switch |
| 07:18.43 | nullboy | kingsley: i think you need to start with store* |
| 07:18.45 | nullboy | oops |
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| 07:19.15 | nullboy | kingsley: excuse the massive typos, you can get a network switch almost anywhere that sells computer gear |
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| 07:21.51 | nullboy | kingsley: please forgive me if i'm way off base here but you're idling in #DNS and ##networking as well as sed and awk channels, and you have managed to get on the freenode irc network but you don't know what an ethernet switch is? |
| 07:21.55 | jerry_ | nullboy: hehe, computer stone of the planet |
| 07:22.12 | kingsley | nullboy: If Wikipedia is to be believed, "network switch is a broad and imprecise marketing term"! I think ethernet "hub" may be more like what I want... |
| 07:22.22 | nullboy | kingsley: i think you're a trol |
| 07:22.25 | nullboy | troll |
| 07:22.29 | Gm4n | a good one, though :D |
| 07:22.39 | Gm4n | has a thing for high-class trolls |
| 07:22.57 | nullboy | Gm4n: yeah me too, but this is just blatant |
| 07:23.03 | kingsley | Gm4n: You're cracking me up! |
| 07:23.38 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, can anyone give me any hints as to what's causing this xen kernel to crash immediately on start up and/or how to fix it? http://rafb.net/p/EqH3sX72.html (it's the normal lenny stock 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 kernel under the normal xen 3.2 hypervisor) |
| 07:24.10 | jhambo | so when I run fceu I get "Initializing sound...Error opening a sound device.". How can I get sound to work? |
| 07:24.43 | Guerin | nullboy: he's not a troll, he's a tool |
| 07:25.00 | Gm4n | I have a raid1 pair, and I think on of the hard drives is dying. After my resync completes, should I fail one hard drive, then fsck the system? or just fsck my md device as is? |
| 07:25.23 | Guerin | kingsley: a switch and a hub are two different pieces of equipment which do more or less the same thing. However both terms are used as marketing terms without much regard for their actual function. |
| 07:26.08 | kingsley | nullboy: I'm not trolling. If my question seems simplistic, it's probably because I shopped for such a device years ago, and was told the store had none, which left me with the odd impression that they were rare. Perhaps I should have asked for a "hub" or "repeater". |
| 07:26.16 | nullboy | kingsley: mmhmm |
| 07:26.26 | Gm4n | doesn't a switch have an idea of which mac addresses are on which ports, and hubs just send everything everywhere? |
| 07:26.50 | Guerin | kingsley: go down to the local computer shop and ask for an etchernet switch, or a hub. Buy one with at least as many ports as you have computers and take it home. Plug them all into it and they can all talk. Configure your network and be happy. |
| 07:27.02 | nullboy | kingsley: a switch works by "switching" traffic between the specific ports that each of the two hypothetical hosts are connected to. switches keep a table of unique computer addresses and they use that table to map addresses to ports so that it can perform this switching. hubs will simply send traffic that comes into one port out every other port |
| 07:27.04 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: yes, that's the general difference. Switches have bridge tables, hubs do not |
| 07:27.13 | Guerin | Amount spent: $20. Time fucking around with subnetting and gateways: about 10 hours. |
| 07:27.25 | Guerin | Time saved, I should say. |
| 07:27.43 | nullboy | dondelelcaro: they don't have bridge tables...they have address to port tables |
| 07:27.58 | dondelelcaro | nullboy: what do you think the bridge table is? |
| 07:28.30 | Gm4n | not to be a troll myself, but does anyone have any ideas about my hard drive problem? this system needs to be live again soon |
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| 07:28.54 | mhymn_ | hmm, a good offtopic issue! |
| 07:28.56 | Crypticfortune | i haven't seen an actual hub for sale in ages. last time i looked for one they're absurdly expensive. nobody really makes them anymore... |
| 07:29.26 | Gm4n | hubs are nice; they make arp poisoning easy ;) |
| 07:29.45 | kingsley | Is my understanding correct that ethernet switches need to be configured with tables before they'll work? |
| 07:29.55 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: no |
| 07:29.55 | Crypticfortune | Gm4n: make arp poisoning pointless =P |
| 07:30.08 | prxtien | hah yeah |
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| 07:30.15 | Gm4n | kingsley: both switches and hubs are plug and play |
| 07:30.18 | Guerin | kingsley: i wouldn't go on relying on what you think you understand about networking. |
| 07:31.14 | nullboy | however, there are switches that are referred to as managed switches which have more advanced capabilities, like vlan support. those switches are usually still plug and play for generic use but they can be configured for more advanced needs |
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| 07:32.06 | Gm4n | so, about them raid arrays.... |
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| 07:33.33 | kingsley | Gm4n: Have you searched Google's indices for an answer? |
| 07:34.34 | Gm4n | I've tried to |
| 07:34.36 | Gm4n | have you? ;) |
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| 07:38.05 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: assuming the resync happens correctly, you shouldn't need to fsck anything |
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| 07:38.16 | Gm4n | it needed a fsck before the last failure |
| 07:38.18 | Gm4n | it certainly will now |
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| 07:38.29 | Gm4n | (and it did, cleaned 5 inodes) |
| 07:38.48 | dondelelcaro | inodes with zero dtime are nothing to worry about |
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| 07:38.59 | dondelelcaro | that just means that you didn't unmount the filesystem properly |
| 07:39.28 | Gm4n | oh, damn, so this isn't going to fix it |
| 07:39.43 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: what's the actual problem? |
| 07:39.56 | Gm4n | server keeps crashing and needing a reboot |
| 07:40.06 | dondelelcaro | in what way? |
| 07:40.07 | Gm4n | and it's remote in a data center, so very hard to diagnose |
| 07:40.16 | Gm4n | in the dead-to-the-world way |
| 07:40.16 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: do you have a serial console? |
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| 07:40.40 | Gm4n | kinda; I ssh to a "console". When server's down, it doesn't respond on console either |
| 07:40.56 | dondelelcaro | that's not a serial console |
| 07:41.09 | Gm4n | hence the kinda :) |
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| 07:41.47 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: could be... Sun LOM offers that kind of console-over-ssh support |
| 07:41.49 | dondelelcaro | anyway, in order to really diagnose it remotely, you'll need a serial console set up so you can see what has happened when it fails |
| 07:42.04 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: sure, but it's always accessible |
| 07:42.09 | Gm4n | dondelelcaro: no way am I talking data center into that, my server is fairly cheap |
| 07:42.22 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; best of luck then. |
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| 07:42.40 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: not if the kernel is frozen and unresponsive...but ya... |
| 07:42.53 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: a real serial console can be logged in even then |
| 07:43.02 | Gm4n | well, I know that when server dies, there are no longer MARKs in messages |
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| 07:43.14 | Gm4n | it could well be a power failure, but it happens regularly |
| 07:43.14 | dondelelcaro | you won't be able to do anything to it, but you can see the oops or whatever caused it to fail |
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| 07:44.02 | Gm4n | well, I'm not going to get a real serial console |
| 07:44.12 | Gm4n | and they've supposedly switched out the hardware other than my hard drives twice now |
| 07:44.17 | Gm4n | (not that I can really confirm that) |
| 07:44.22 | Gm4n | but it keeps dying... |
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| 07:45.34 | kingsley | Gm4n: You may already know this, but you can search log files for clues, starting with the most recently modified, by doing... less $(ls -t $(find /var/log)) ... as root. |
| 07:45.57 | Gm4n | well kingsley, there is NOTHIGN in logs after problems start happening |
| 07:45.59 | kingsley | Gm4n: Pressing ":n" in less skips to the next most recent log file. |
| 07:46.00 | Gm4n | total blackout |
| 07:47.11 | kingsley | Gm4n: Have you checked all the log files under /var/log? |
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| 07:47.25 | Gm4n | kingsley: stay classy, I like you that way |
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| 07:49.15 | nullboy | kingsley: why are you here? |
| 07:49.28 | kingsley | Gm4n: If you've checked all the log files, you might examine the diagnostic data stored in the hard drive(s) with the "smartctl" command. |
| 07:50.00 | Gm4n | goodnight all, thanks for the help and the entertainment as the case may be =) |
| 07:50.01 | kingsley | nullboy: To help and be helped. |
| 07:50.22 | nullboy | great! |
| 07:50.25 | kingsley | Gm4n: Good luck! |
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| 07:50.39 | Gm4n | thanks kingsley. good look switch shopping :) |
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| 07:56.43 | prxtien | i have checked if it is mounted and it doesnt seem to be and the mountpoint doesnt seem to be busy either |
| 07:56.49 | prxtien | i have checked if it is mounted and it doesnt seem to be and the mountpoint doesnt seem to be busy either |
| 07:56.52 | prxtien | is there any thing i can do to force the mount |
| 07:58.29 | saff | is there anyway to use apt-get install in parrel with anther apt-get install? |
| 07:59.37 | Guerin | saff: no. |
| 08:00.05 | Guerin | presuming that by `parrel' you mean `parallel' |
| 08:00.14 | mavhc | there's no apt-queue? |
| 08:00.21 | prxtien | er sorry i didnt explain myself properly... im trying to mount a drive under knoppix to do a recovery and when i try to mount /dev/sdb1 i get a error stating that the drive is mounted or my mount point is busy |
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| 08:02.02 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, it may have been overkill, but setting "acpi=off iommu=off pci=nommconf" as kernel boot options seems to have solved my mysterious xen kernel crash |
| 08:03.12 | saff | wtf is this iceweasel stuff? |
| 08:03.15 | saff | where is my firefox?!?! =0 |
| 08:03.36 | nullboy | saff: iceweasel is firefox due to licensing |
| 08:03.57 | iShock | I just got how you came up with the name .. |
| 08:03.59 | iShock | cries |
| 08:04.04 | iShock | s/you/they |
| 08:04.12 | Crypticfortune | !why iceweasel |
| 08:04.12 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 08:05.08 | saff | haha wow thats lulzy |
| 08:06.53 | saff | why is pidgin not in the repository? =0 |
| 08:06.57 | saff | gaim is there though 0_o |
| 08:07.27 | Crypticfortune | saff: because etch is old ;) |
| 08:07.41 | dondelelcaro | saff: it's in lenny and unstable, not etch. There are backports of pidgin to etch, though. |
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| 08:11.25 | saff | ommgg since when does KDE come with annoying noises for everything |
| 08:11.40 | nullboy | omgz lulz |
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| 08:12.07 | nullboy | wtfcopter |
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| 08:17.01 | mavhc | saff: and people say it's too like Windows |
| 08:17.14 | saff | god its so annoying |
| 08:17.20 | saff | when I'm done installing stuff its the first thing to go |
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| 08:28.50 | cyph3r | oh noo whats the easiest way to make KDE "pretty" looks so bad right now |
| 08:28.58 | cyph3r | beryl still in production? |
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| 08:44.13 | tuomas_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.29 | sauvin | I've just installed lenny. Trying to use synaptic to install more packages; it keeps asking for dvds, and I want pacakges from repos. How to make it happen? |
| 08:45.02 | simonrvn | comment out the dvd line (# at the beginning of the line) ... |
| 08:45.47 | liable | in sources.list |
| 08:46.13 | liable | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:46.49 | simonrvn | er, yeh. *g* |
| 08:47.16 | liable | just thought i would point it out, as he may not know what your talking about :) |
| 08:47.16 | sauvin | Yes!! Thank you! |
| 08:47.28 | sauvin | I had a feeling, but it was very good of you to confirm. |
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| 08:52.21 | shikshik | basically when someone proxies to my webserver, i dont want them able to access the internet, and only to the domains i haev listed in my hosts file............does this make sense? =x |
| 08:52.27 | macjason0607 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.13 | simonrvn | shikshik: /etc/hosts is only good for localhost |
| 08:53.21 | mhymn_ | macjason0607: mkfs.ntfs ? |
| 08:53.44 | liable | can linux make ntfs fs? |
| 08:53.48 | shikshik | yeah but once i proxy into my webserver, i can still access outside internet websites |
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| 08:53.54 | mhymn_ | liable: why not? |
| 08:53.55 | liable | fat sure, but ntfs? |
| 08:53.57 | shikshik | and i dont want it to do that |
| 08:53.59 | shikshik | any ideas? |
| 08:54.06 | liable | mhymn_: because its proprietry? |
| 08:54.44 | mhymn_ | liable: iirc they made it by some kind of reverse engineering |
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| 08:54.54 | anddam | hello |
| 08:55.11 | liable | mhymn_: yes, to read and write from it, we are talking about making it |
| 08:55.11 | anddam | any yaboot-savvy ? |
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| 08:55.39 | mhymn_ | liable: read the info for ntfsprogs |
| 08:55.43 | mhymn_ | package |
| 08:56.15 | shikshik | on resolv.conf, what would i put in to make it only resolv to my domains in hosts file? currently its like, nameserver 207.233.22.2 , do i just do nameserver localhost ? |
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| 08:56.19 | macjason0607 | mhymn_, No manual entry for mkfs.ntfs |
| 08:56.21 | anddam | liable: I have a rt2400 on lenny with latest kernel, it's currently going fine in ad-hoc, is it easy to switch to managed instead? |
| 08:56.56 | mhymn_ | macjason0607: aptitude install ntfsprogs |
| 08:57.02 | macjason0607 | ok |
| 08:57.04 | liable | mhymn_: ah, i havn't used that, seems you can. |
| 08:57.16 | mhymn_ | and i did! |
| 08:57.29 | simonrvn | shikshik: you limit access via the proxy. go read squid's doc wiki (if it's squid you're using...) |
| 08:57.53 | liable | mhymn_: i wasn't having a go, just wasn't aware we had those tools available now |
| 08:58.03 | mhymn_ | i see |
| 08:59.08 | shikshik | no im not using squid |
| 08:59.46 | shikshik | im using a web-proxy script, kind of like, unblocked.org |
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| 09:00.10 | shikshik | i can make the site resolve that are on the server to the server account, but it can still resolve sites on the internet |
| 09:00.14 | shikshik | thats what im trying to prevent |
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| 09:00.41 | simonrvn | shikshik: what dns server are you using? |
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| 09:02.36 | shikshik | bind |
| 09:04.00 | simonrvn | you can do views in bind9; so set one up for internal, and one for external. internal, limiting them to only certain domains like you want. |
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| 09:04.37 | liable | anddam: the mode can be set with iwconfig mode .. |
| 09:04.58 | anddam | liable: but does rt2x00 driver in .26 kernel support it? |
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| 09:05.19 | anddam | that you know of, I mean |
| 09:05.35 | liable | anddam: managed mode? of course, thats the standard mode of cards. or are you confusing the two? |
| 09:06.01 | anddam | liable: not sure, I'm kinda noobish, I mean the debian box acting as AP |
| 09:06.02 | liable | managed is standard mode connecting to an ap, ad-hoc is connecting to another laptop |
| 09:06.11 | liable | you mean master mode |
| 09:06.25 | anddam | liable: I switched to ad-hoc for semplicity, I have 1 PCI NIC and two laptops |
| 09:06.30 | liable | i dont know if rt2x00 does master |
| 09:06.35 | anddam | ah "master" |
| 09:06.40 | anddam | not "managed" :-p |
| 09:06.46 | liable | anddam: check the hostapd docs |
| 09:06.52 | anddam | is it worth it? |
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| 09:07.01 | liable | worth what? |
| 09:07.08 | liable | what are you wanting to do? |
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| 09:07.38 | anddam | switching to Master, considering I want to keep two laptops at home doing easy stuff on internet (web, mail, usenet) |
| 09:07.43 | anddam | it's low traffic |
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| 09:08.01 | anddam | oh and any chance to use WPA with rt2400? |
| 09:08.29 | liable | anddam: check the serialmonkey website, or linuxwireless.org, and hostapd website |
| 09:08.43 | anddam | liable: again I didn't dig too much into it, just enough to make it working. To be more clear: it works atm, I wonder if Master mode has anything better to offer |
| 09:08.46 | liable | its not trivial, but not particularly difficult either |
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| 09:15.23 | niklaswe | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.43 | liable | anddam: actually, the latest rt2x00 (mac80211) drivers cant do ap mode yet without patching the kernel and other stuff. not particularly easy. not sure about the legacy drivers |
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| 09:16.27 | anddam | I think I'm on latest |
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| 09:16.42 | anddam | I upgraded as per suggestion I got on #rt2x00 |
| 09:16.54 | liable | if its the in kernel driver, its mac80211 based, and not so easy |
| 09:17.09 | anddam | it is |
| 09:17.42 | liable | kernel patch and compile to do it for that driver |
| 09:18.10 | Blackhold | hello, I'm trying to change default group to user but using usermod -G newgroup user |
| 09:18.17 | Blackhold | but it don't works |
| 09:18.26 | Blackhold | I tried with -G and -g |
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| 09:18.49 | simonrvn | why not just use vipw and vipw -s ? |
| 09:19.15 | simonrvn | usermod is really clumsy :/ |
| 09:19.30 | anddam | liable: thanks, about the other question would switching to Master mode better in my case? |
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| 09:20.04 | liable | anddam: um, you mean ad-hoc? |
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| 09:20.52 | anddam | liable: no, I am in ad-hoc at the moment, I was wondering if Master mode has any advantage over it, consider that I've got two laptops (low traffic) and that I use the rt2400 card to route them to the internet |
| 09:21.08 | anddam | liable: the point being that if I don't have any advantage I'll stay in ad-hoc |
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| 09:22.01 | liable | anddam: if you are sharing the net in ad-hoc mode and it works, stay with it. putting the card in ap mode is not trivial |
| 09:22.12 | anddam | thanks |
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| 09:22.19 | liable | np |
| 09:22.30 | anddam | that's a crispy clear answer |
| 09:23.38 | LoveGuru | i just setup "ssh server" i did "ssh localhost" at my terminal works fine. but i can't access from outside.. :< do i have to edit something else? i forward my ssh port in my router still same error "client closed connection" |
| 09:23.58 | stoned | hey there |
| 09:24.00 | stoned | whats up |
| 09:24.22 | LoveGuru | hay stoned.. nothing much hows ur self? |
| 09:24.31 | liable | not the US economy! |
| 09:24.38 | simonrvn | hay is for horses |
| 09:24.48 | macjason0607 | isn't there a program that can automount iso |
| 09:24.52 | stoned | I'm doing fairly alright |
| 09:24.57 | stoned | macjason0607, no |
| 09:25.09 | simonrvn | macjason0607: your fingers at the kbd |
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| 09:25.16 | sauvin | You *can* automount a *specific* iso. |
| 09:25.29 | macjason0607 | lol .. wrong wording |
| 09:25.30 | stoned | macjason0607, how hard is mkdir ~/mounted_iso && sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop BLAH.ISO ~/mounted_iso |
| 09:25.41 | stoned | ? |
| 09:25.45 | stoned | is that really so hard? |
| 09:25.46 | macjason0607 | let me try |
| 09:26.03 | macjason0607 | i didn't do mount -t iso9660 |
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| 09:26.09 | stoned | man mount |
| 09:26.16 | sauvin | Ubuntu and Debian repos, in fact, have fuseiso, iirc, which eliminates a lot of that typing :D |
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| 09:27.12 | LoveGuru | !ssh |
| 09:27.12 | dpkg | i heard ssh is the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (www.openssh.org). Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>. |
| 09:27.22 | stoned | alias mountiso='sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop ' <-- put this in ~/.bashrc |
| 09:27.34 | stoned | source bashrc to take effect |
| 09:27.42 | stoned | mountiso isofile /mountpoint |
| 09:28.20 | stoned | have fun |
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| 09:28.52 | LoveGuru | i just setup "ssh server" i did "ssh localhost" at my terminal works fine. but i can't access from outside.. :< do i have to edit something else? i forward my ssh port in my router still same error "client closed connection" |
| 09:29.09 | stoned | LoveGuru, you have a firewall? |
| 09:29.28 | stoned | local iptables rules? |
| 09:29.48 | stoned | damn its 4:30am |
| 09:29.50 | stoned | damn |
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| 09:30.05 | sauvin | 3:30, lugnut, it's only 3:30. Don't rush me! |
| 09:30.27 | simonrvn | 04:30:07 |
| 09:30.30 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:30.40 | sauvin | Wed Dec 10 03:30:41 CST 2008 |
| 09:30.49 | sauvin | :P |
| 09:30.56 | simonrvn | sauvin: cheater |
| 09:30.56 | stoned | simonrvn, you know what I did 10 minutes ago. |
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| 09:31.00 | simonrvn | :P |
| 09:31.07 | simonrvn | stoned: no |
| 09:31.12 | stoned | sure you do |
| 09:31.13 | sauvin | No, but I DO know what you did last summer! |
| 09:31.15 | sauvin | hides |
| 09:31.21 | simonrvn | smoked something? |
| 09:31.23 | simonrvn | :P |
| 09:31.35 | stoned | maybe ;) |
| 09:31.56 | stoned | I was working on this application and I lost track of the time |
| 09:31.56 | LoveGuru | stoned: no firewall yet |
| 09:32.07 | LoveGuru | just have router.. |
| 09:32.11 | LoveGuru | so i forward my ports |
| 09:32.28 | stoned | you forward port 22 to go to your computer's ip? |
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| 09:32.42 | Thomas | hi! |
| 09:32.50 | LoveGuru | ya |
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| 09:32.59 | KILLrothchilds | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.04 | Thomas | I have a problem with powernowd. Do I need that or can i disable powernowd somehow? |
| 09:33.07 | stoned | man I would help but I'mm about to sleep |
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| 09:33.48 | LoveGuru | stoned: no problem :) u can go i don't miND :) |
| 09:33.54 | Thomas | ok, thanks sotned |
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| 09:34.03 | Thomas | good night, stoned |
| 09:34.10 | LoveGuru | have a gud night. |
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| 09:34.13 | stoned | you too guys, good luck with everything |
| 09:34.17 | Thomas | anyone else who could help me? |
| 09:34.20 | thumbnail | hi, what's the dpkg-reconfigure to get my network devices up on boot? just installed lenny and ifconfig only returns 'lo'. Presumably that's because I had no network access available when I did the install.. ? |
| 09:34.42 | stoned | thumbnail, ifup ethX |
| 09:34.45 | stoned | X being the #' |
| 09:34.51 | thumbnail | stoned: thanks |
| 09:34.54 | stoned | or /etc/init.d/networking start |
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| 09:35.01 | stoned | or /etc/init.d/networking start|stop|restart |
| 09:35.23 | thumbnail | stoned: I tried /etc/init.d/networking and none of my devices show upwhen i use ifconfig |
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| 09:35.39 | stoned | they are probably not auto in interfaces file |
| 09:35.48 | thumbnail | ah |
| 09:35.52 | LoveGuru | Is there anyone can help? with ssh ? i can't connect my box from outside? i did port forward, no firewall. :< |
| 09:36.01 | thumbnail | cool, I knew I was missing something :) |
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| 09:37.48 | stoned | g'nite. |
| 09:37.50 | stoned | *out* |
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| 09:37.52 | simonrvn | Thomas: sudo invoke-rc.d powernowd stop; it won't run anymore for this boot. rm the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ that links to the script in /etc/init.d/ to make this longer lasting. |
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| 09:38.22 | Thomas | thank you simonvrn |
| 09:38.36 | Thomas | does dosabling powernowd have any consequences? |
| 09:38.46 | Thomas | disabling* |
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| 09:39.19 | simonrvn | you don't get the services it provides ;). unless it's not working then it doesn't do anything ;p. |
| 09:39.28 | Thomas | the porblem is that at startup the computer holds at powernowd and i had to restart eight time for booting correctly |
| 09:39.37 | Thomas | ah, ok |
| 09:39.42 | simonrvn | oh ick |
| 09:39.57 | simonrvn | do the rm that symlink then |
| 09:40.26 | Thomas | ok, I'll do |
| 09:40.28 | Thomas | thank you |
| 09:40.30 | simonrvn | might want to do the same in rc6.d and rc0.d |
| 09:41.02 | mhymn_ | update-rc.d .. |
| 09:41.59 | Thomas | ok, I'll forst try the rm once and if that doesn't help I do the same with rc6.d and rc0.d |
| 09:42.03 | Thomas | first* |
| 09:44.00 | click170 | How is /etc/resolv.conf maintained? I recently changed my local DNS server from .24 to .20, but my gateway machine still has .24 in it's resolv.conf on boot. I've checked the dhcp configurations and /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 09:46.23 | sint | hey i run debian etch and i wonder how to install a newer php version then PHP 5.2.0-8+etch13 |
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| 09:54.40 | simonrvn | mhymn_: i know. but rm is in /bin and update-rc.d is in /usr/sbin ;p |
| 09:54.55 | mhymn_ | :) |
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| 10:01.17 | enouf | click170: see if /msg dpkg fixresolvconf is any help |
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| 10:01.44 | ma3x | if a wireless card becomes hot, does it usually decrease performance? |
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| 10:11.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | I setup an OpenVZ Server and used brctl to bridge the VPSes together along with the host so they can all use the DHCP provided by the router |
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| 10:11.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | however, i can't ping the host computer, only the guest VPSes |
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| 10:11.29 | GhostlyDeath_ | and all requests sent to the host IP time out |
| 10:12.02 | sauvin | cd |
| 10:12.11 | sauvin | Grr... wrong keyboard, sorry. |
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| 10:25.11 | enouf | cd C:Sauvin's Documents and Settings are now pwned by us |
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| 10:25.56 | enouf | sauvin: where've you been you .. you flatulant old fart you :-P |
| 10:26.03 | drasko_ | how to kill screen sessions? I have two pending, and want to wipe them off, but I can not find delete instructions in the manual... |
| 10:26.04 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 10:26.25 | alleyoopster | hi everyone |
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| 10:26.31 | sauvin | I've been fighting my daughter's laptop :D |
| 10:26.31 | enouf | Agiofws: hello my friend from greece |
| 10:26.38 | sauvin | enouf, you don't hang out in ##linux anymore? |
| 10:26.42 | enouf | sauvin: hehe - so .. winpoop? |
| 10:26.48 | Agiofws | hi |
| 10:27.17 | enouf | sauvin: i would .. but i'm in too many other channels - so not really .. i should drop by and visit once in awhile though ,.,. oh well |
| 10:27.29 | sauvin | Winpoop got shrunk - it's not half the OS it used to be :D Installing Lenny on her lappie, actually. |
| 10:27.40 | enouf | sauvin: win! ;-) |
| 10:27.41 | alleyoopster | how do I set the access point for wifi in /etc/networks/interfaces? |
| 10:28.41 | alleyoopster | I am using wireless_ap <access point> but it does not seem to work and i have to bring it up manually |
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| 10:30.09 | sauvin | enouf, it's worse than you think. She said "Gotta have this $windows_app", so I said "Fine, we're gonna show you how to use VirtualBox". |
| 10:30.10 | Gigantic | hey, anyone know how to set /dev/ttyACM0 to be always created with 777? |
| 10:30.20 | nercof | hello |
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| 10:30.23 | nercof | I need to list the directory entry of a DKT ext2 using ext2_fs.h, someone knows how to do it |
| 10:30.28 | Gigantic | I have to go chmod it every time |
| 10:30.48 | enouf | alleyoopster: not sure - maybe some preup lines? or entries in /etc/network/if-* dirs? do /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 10:30.55 | enouf | Gigantic: make a udev rule for it |
| 10:30.55 | sauvin | I have to chmod my /dev/kqemu every time, too :\ |
| 10:31.03 | enouf | Gigantic: /msg dpkg udev rules |
| 10:31.09 | enouf | sauvin: beauty ;-) |
| 10:31.20 | Gigantic | enouf: Danke |
| 10:32.15 | enouf | Gigantic: maybe just adding your regular user to the correct group would solve it? (just another thought) |
| 10:32.36 | alleyoopster | enouf: will look thanks |
| 10:32.57 | Gigantic | enouf: uhm, maybe... I'm going to check what group it is created |
| 10:33.10 | enouf | alleyoopster: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi maybe? |
| 10:33.13 | enouf | as well |
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| 10:34.03 | alleyoopster | enouf: yeah looked in there, but didnt see a decent guide explaining all the options |
| 10:34.20 | enouf | ok |
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| 10:35.18 | alleyoopster | i think you maybe right and it needs a some preup |
| 10:35.25 | Gigantic | enouf: ^^ oh, that worked |
| 10:36.34 | enouf | alleyoopster: oh dear - [dpkg] Factoid search of 'access point' by value (4): soekris ;; debianwrt ;; hostapd ;; dlink. <-- see if any info in any of them applies as well - then /msg dpkg airport |
| 10:36.53 | enouf | Gigantic: sweet |
| 10:38.34 | drasko_ | can screen work over gnome terminal, or xterm, because opening vim over ssh is crashing my screen session? |
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| 10:39.30 | enouf | ya know .. you'd be emulating a terminal over a terminal emulator which is emulating a terminal |
| 10:39.53 | enouf | virtually :-P |
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| 10:40.28 | mhymn_ | emulating is everything! |
| 10:43.08 | Gigantic | mldonkeying is even better tho |
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| 10:46.43 | Gigantic | now I just have to get to know why does Google always send me to Google france... |
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| 10:49.21 | GhostlyDeath_ | How do I give my computers a NETBIOS hostname (like Windows computers)? |
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| 10:49.55 | mhymn_ | !netbios |
| 10:49.55 | dpkg | worst protocol evar! |
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| 10:50.47 | enouf | add an entry in /etc/hosts.* ? install and use portmap? samba? ... something silly like that, but if you mean 'WINS' ..that's different |
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| 10:52.48 | alcohol | mornin' all |
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| 10:53.09 | dustybin | if one creates a new group and adds a user to that group, does one _need_ to restart the computer for it to be active? |
| 10:53.44 | enouf | heh [dpkg] Factoid search of 'netbios' by value (7): rfc2097 ;; nbt ;; rfc1001 ;; rfc1002 ;; rfc1088 ;; netbeui ;; dhcpd.conf. |
| 10:53.59 | enouf | dustybin: no |
| 10:54.13 | enouf | dustybin: logout/login the username ... |
| 10:54.13 | dustybin | enouf: what can i do then to make it active? |
| 10:54.20 | dustybin | right ok thanks sir! |
| 10:54.23 | enouf | dustybin: another option is man newgrp |
| 10:54.26 | pingouin | dustybin: i dont think so, but the user surely need to be logged out/in |
| 10:54.48 | dustybin | thanks |
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| 10:55.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | hmm, seems I am getting duplicate ICMP Ping responses |
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| 10:55.19 | snails | hi |
| 10:55.23 | dustybin | imagine i addgroup X10 |
| 10:55.24 | snails | §§§§______§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ |
| 10:55.27 | snails | §§§§______§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ |
| 10:55.30 | snails | §§§§______§§§§__________ |
| 10:55.31 | dustybin | and i adduser www-data X10 |
| 10:55.32 | snails | §§§§______§§§§__________ |
| 10:55.32 | enouf | snails: stop |
| 10:55.35 | snails | §§§§______§§§§__________ |
| 10:55.37 | snails | §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ |
| 10:55.42 | snails | _________§§§§_______§§§§ |
| 10:55.44 | dustybin | how could i log in and out the www-data user? |
| 10:55.45 | snails | _________§§§§_______§§§§ |
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| 10:55.47 | snails | _________§§§§_______§§§§ |
| 10:55.50 | snails | §§§§§§§§§§§§§_______§§§§ |
| 10:55.55 | dustybin | oh dear.. |
| 10:55.55 | snails | -----/´¯/)- ---(\¯`\ |
| 10:55.57 | snails | ----/-//-- ---\\-\ \ |
| 10:55.59 | mhymn_ | !ops snails |
| 10:55.59 | liable | !ops please kill snails |
| 10:55.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mhymn_ complains about: snails |
| 10:56.00 | snails | ---/-//--- --\\-\ \ |
| 10:56.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: please kill snails |
| 10:56.02 | snails | --/´¯/-/´¯\- --/¯`\-\¯`\ |
| 10:56.05 | snails | -/-/--/-/-/- -\---\-\-\-\ |
| 10:56.07 | snails | (-(-(-(-/-)--) (--(-\-)-)-)-) |
| 10:56.10 | snails | -\----\/--/- \-\/----/ |
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| 10:56.17 | Petronio | lol |
| 10:56.20 | liable | danke |
| 10:56.23 | dustybin | LOL |
| 10:56.30 | Petronio | thanks tomaw :P |
| 10:56.35 | tomaw | np |
| 10:56.36 | enouf | gracias |
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| 10:57.04 | dustybin | imagine i addgroup X10, then i, adduser www-data X10, how could i log in and out the www-data user? |
| 10:57.17 | enouf | dustybin: i don't think username www-data gets a login shell .. |
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| 10:58.05 | dustybin | enouf: so what can i do with users who do not have login shells? |
| 10:58.14 | enouf | dustybin: you'd likely want to restart the service(s) that use that user (www-data) .. apache(2)? |
| 10:58.39 | dustybin | i see! |
| 10:58.50 | enouf | dustybin: but with things like that - there are certain graceful ways to do so - but you need to read the docs ... for all possible choices |
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| 11:01.09 | enouf | hrm ... www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh |
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| 11:04.21 | dustybin | enouf: restarting apache2 worked!! you clever sod :) |
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| 11:04.34 | enouf | dustybin: ;-) |
| 11:04.53 | dustybin | x10:x:1002:www-data |
| 11:05.50 | enouf | ah .. yep |
| 11:06.04 | LoveGuru | i installed ssh server, did the port forwarding.. still my friend can't access to my ssytem? someone can help where is the problem? i can do that but my friend won't |
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| 11:06.58 | Iradieh | LoveGuru: user@server.com |
| 11:07.05 | Iradieh | LoveGuru: he is typing like that? |
| 11:07.09 | drasko_ | I log to the into multiuser screen session over ssh. After few interactions screen application stucks on my side, giving me black screen, while still works on remote machine. People on the other side still can see what I type, although for me it is just freezed screen and i do not see anything I type. What can be the cause of this? We tried gnome-terminal, xterm, and real terminal (Alt+Ctrl+F1) - same results. I am starting screen session on remote machin |
| 11:07.09 | drasko_ | e with screen -x user/session. |
| 11:07.11 | enouf | i'd guess any NAT involved is mucking you up |
| 11:08.24 | enouf | drasko_: i'm not sure, but i had this tucked away http://www.linux.com/articles/56443 |
| 11:08.40 | LoveGuru | Iradieh he is using like ssh host -v -p port |
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| 11:09.23 | enouf | er ... |
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| 11:09.34 | SuZuKinDeR | hello :) |
| 11:10.46 | LoveGuru | Iradieh: is my cmd guD? |
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| 11:11.08 | bartden | hi, i'm using urxvt, but it seems that i cant use my HOME and END keyboardbuttons |
| 11:11.09 | enouf | s/guD/good? |
| 11:11.20 | drasko_ | enouf, yeap, that's the one we are following. When the guy on the other side opens C file in vim, on my side everything freezes... So I am wondering if this can be gnome -terminla, or some other issue, or some switches to screen missing... |
| 11:11.36 | enouf | bartden: can't use? /msg dpkg keymap ? |
| 11:11.57 | enouf | drasko_: gah .. dunno |
| 11:12.02 | bartden | it works in xterm enouf |
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| 11:14.18 | enouf | bartden: possible locale issue? the u is for utf-8/unicode ? |
| 11:15.53 | enouf | heh [dpkg] Factoid search of 'rxvt-unicode' by value (1): arrows. |
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| 11:17.39 | enouf | judd: versions urxvt |
| 11:17.41 | judd | enouf: urxvt -- |
| 11:18.02 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search urxvt |
| 11:18.03 | enouf | yeahconsole - drop-down X terminal emulator wrapper |
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| 11:19.15 | FILLVAIO2 | Hello, need help. How to force close up tcp connection under sh command? |
| 11:19.32 | enouf | kill the service using it? |
| 11:19.40 | LoveGuru | enouf: sorry it was good. |
| 11:20.01 | enouf | use lsof -i -n and netstat -tunap as root to find out? |
| 11:20.16 | FILLVAIO2 | sercive closed, by connection steel have status WAITING |
| 11:20.34 | enouf | misbehaving app -- it should die off soon |
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| 11:22.22 | mhymn_ | FILLVAIO2: cutter? |
| 11:22.36 | enouf | slay? :-) |
| 11:22.48 | FILLVAIO2 | i have a service writed on Python, and when i do servces restart, it's cannot create connection again tell me error Adress already in use |
| 11:22.54 | LoveGuru | Is there any problem with this cmd to get ssh connection " ssh host -v -p port" |
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| 11:23.25 | mhymn_ | rtfm |
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| 11:24.24 | liable | FILLVAIO2: you should be asking in #python, this has nothing to do with debian |
| 11:25.04 | balau | LoveGuru, no problem with the command if you can ping host |
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| 11:26.43 | FILLVAIO2 | no no, i need to write ssh comand ofter string of stoping services like /etc/ini.d/vhdaemon stop, to force close connection with speceific ports, without waiting closing |
| 11:26.53 | LoveGuru | balau: thanx |
| 11:27.20 | FILLVAIO2 | sorry fo my lang |
| 11:27.53 | pingouin | why would my /etc/udev/local.rules would not be effective ? |
| 11:27.58 | sema4r | hi. i have a directory with a bunch of info files in it. how can i generate a local dir file for them ? install-info always seems to put all the other system-wide info in that file too ... |
| 11:28.12 | SuZuKinDeR | LoveGuru: make sure you can access to the ssh port outside your firewall too |
| 11:28.40 | LoveGuru | SuZuKinDeR: i did the port forwards |
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| 11:33.27 | lancelot | hallo everybody |
| 11:33.46 | SuZuKinDeR | LoveGuru: but i meant for the client to access the server (not only forwarding the ports to the server, but also permitting output for the client). |
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| 11:34.06 | LoveGuru | ohh |
| 11:34.11 | LoveGuru | sorry.. i got it. |
| 11:34.13 | LoveGuru | thx |
| 11:34.23 | SuZuKinDeR | yes, depends on your firewall's policy |
| 11:34.39 | SuZuKinDeR | some people authorize the whole system to access outside |
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| 11:34.59 | SuZuKinDeR | but if you didn't you have to authorize outside access for every port |
| 11:35.29 | lancelot | qtiplot is really very slow on my asus eee 1000H...does it depend on specific system qt libraries configuration or on the software? |
| 11:35.33 | SuZuKinDeR | (i meants, for every port you need) |
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| 11:36.28 | SuZuKinDeR | going to lunch! yumyum see you later |
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| 11:38.52 | enouf | swipes SuZuKinDeR 's lunch money and replaces it with a spam sandwich ;-) |
| 11:39.12 | amphi | heh |
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| 11:49.19 | lancelot | qtiplot is really very slow on my asus eee 1000H...does it depend on specific system qt libraries configuration or on the software? |
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| 11:54.37 | FREEERt | ola galera debian alguem sabe como posso instalar a GTK+2.14 no debian |
| 11:54.56 | enouf | sema4r: guess you could setup a chroot environment and do it? er ... ewww .. a '^?' is a backspace character? i'm looking at file:///usr/share/info/screen.info.gz in zless - but the really weird thing is i can kind of see them also when viewing with links2 |
| 11:55.25 | enouf | lancelot: you want to find some qt specific channels or network |
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| 11:58.14 | FILLVAIO2 | guys, after command > netstat -an -t | grep :110 i see LISTEN and CLOSE_WAIT commands, can i force kill all of them? |
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| 11:59.18 | enouf | if you are sysadmin - you are king over your system - do as you like to the peasants :-) |
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| 12:00.02 | jelly | FILLVAIO2: connections in CLOSE_WAIT are almost done with and kernel will clean them up after a timeout anyway |
| 12:00.04 | FILLVAIO2 | what command to kill it? |
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| 12:00.29 | FILLVAIO2 | any ways to force kill? |
| 12:00.44 | jelly | FILLVAIO2: I never needed one. Why? |
| 12:01.04 | enouf | this is going to be interesting .. heh |
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| 12:01.52 | jelly | FILLVAIO2: for the LISTENing one, add -p option to see which process is listening |
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| 12:02.17 | SystemFAILURE | h e l l o |
| 12:02.50 | jelly | w t f |
| 12:05.38 | mhymn_ | you don't need to regard 'spaces' in abbreviation though! |
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| 12:06.51 | enouf | has no regard |
| 12:06.54 | enouf | :-P |
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| 12:07.02 | mhymn_ | heh |
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| 12:10.24 | moldy | hi |
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| 12:10.53 | gsamsa | how do i copy a bunch of directories in the cli ? |
| 12:11.08 | chordogg | did you check the manpages |
| 12:11.17 | gsamsa | yeah |
| 12:11.17 | mhymn_ | 'man cp' |
| 12:11.28 | gsamsa | i want to choose the directories |
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| 12:12.11 | gsamsa | there is nothing in man cp |
| 12:12.33 | gsamsa | i think i need a file with the directories i want to copy |
| 12:12.41 | gsamsa | and then feed it to a while |
| 12:12.51 | gsamsa | can you help me ? |
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| 12:13.57 | petemc | while read ; do cp -r "REPLY" /new/loacation/ ; done < file |
| 12:14.10 | enouf | !tell gsamsa -about using find |
| 12:14.34 | gsamsa | thank you very much |
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| 12:15.59 | gsamsa | petemc's way seems easier |
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| 12:19.08 | gsamsa | petemc: it says to me that REPLY does not exist |
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| 12:19.39 | zibri | gsamsa: what's wrong with cp -r <srcfile> ... <srcfile> <dest directory> ? |
| 12:19.54 | gsamsa | i want to move |
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| 12:20.00 | gsamsa | them |
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| 12:22.09 | zibri | gsamsa: well, then cp is not the right way to do it either way. use mv instead. mv <srcfile> ... <srcfile> <dest directory> ? |
| 12:23.06 | gsamsa | zibri: i'm stupid, yeah you're right |
| 12:23.08 | thumbnail | hi, I'm trying to install build-essential by manually downloading the packages and copying them to /var/cache/apt/archives however apt-get is trying to pull them off a CD that I don't have with me. How can I get it to look at /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 12:24.19 | superjet_busy | thumbnail: comment out cd item in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:24.56 | thumbnail | superjet_busy: I did that and it then claimed that the package was only referred to by another package and wouldn't try to install anything |
| 12:25.13 | enouf | thumbnail: run update |
| 12:25.25 | thumbnail | kk, I'll give it a go :) |
| 12:25.43 | enouf | wait - how are you installing? dpkg -i i hope |
| 12:26.03 | thumbnail | enouf: yes |
| 12:26.05 | enouf | or .. you could just use the -d option of apt-get |
| 12:26.48 | enouf | well, if networking is up and working - use the update method - /msg dpkg grounding and /msg dpkg security |
| 12:27.54 | thumbnail | enouf: the problem is that the machine (a laptop) doesn't have network access, I can't get the ******* ath5k driver working so I'm trying to get build-essential on there so I can compile the latest wireless-compat tarball |
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| 12:29.12 | petemc | gsamsa: $REPLY |
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| 12:29.24 | enouf | ahh .. well .. if you get really stuck, the grml.org cds have a full build env on them. apt-get update won't work without network access ;-) since you can't pull from the mirrors |
| 12:29.26 | petemc | forgot the $ |
| 12:29.45 | thumbnail | heh, I see I'm in for a long ride with this one |
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| 12:30.26 | zibri | thumbnail: doesn't dpkg -i <file.deb> work? :\ |
| 12:30.39 | enouf | thumbnail: you should be able to install any .deb - it doesn't need to be in /var/cache/apt/... |
| 12:30.46 | superjet_busy | thumbnail: apt-cache show foo | grep pool to get the deb by hand |
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| 12:31.20 | petemc | !apt offline |
| 12:31.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt offline is To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
| 12:31.28 | thumbnail | zibri: it does but I'm getting into dependency issues cos each time I dpkg -i a deb, it points out that it depends on about five others and the whole process is highly irritating. I was hoping there might be a way to automate it |
| 12:31.39 | enouf | nice one petemc |
| 12:31.49 | zibri | thumbnail: dependancy hell :P |
| 12:32.16 | thumbnail | zibri: indeed, lol. Not something I ever thought I'd experience on debian |
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| 12:32.22 | superjet_busy | thumbnail: first `apt-get install foo` then get the debs one by one |
| 12:32.25 | zibri | thumbnail: if you can get wired network, that's what apt does... |
| 12:32.30 | thumbnail | superjet_busy: I've done that |
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| 12:32.48 | superjet_busy | thumbnail: then now? |
| 12:33.22 | Igneous | Hello, I'm having a minor issue with gtk.. This may be a dumb question, but is there a package for the 'pixmap' rendering engine for gtk2 in lenny? I've found several themes that require it, but debian does not seem to contain it. |
| 12:33.25 | thumbnail | superjet_busy: all the package files are in /var/cache/apt/archives however apt tries to pull them off the CD anyway |
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| 12:34.35 | enouf | thumbnail: aptitude should also offer some possible ways to resolve them - but you're supposed to grab all the dependencies you need, build-essential is a metapackage - which is just a list of other pkgs |
| 12:34.44 | superjet_busy | thumbnail: you get the wrong debs, as apt fist check cache dir |
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| 12:34.54 | enouf | !tell thumbnail about metapackage |
| 12:35.02 | jpinx | is there a package for automatic form filling and webpage reading? apt-search shows nothing |
| 12:35.20 | enouf | jpinx: any bloated browser should do |
| 12:35.23 | tarzeau | jpinx: often you can use the post request |
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| 12:35.33 | tarzeau | jpinx: figuring out the parameters with ngrep. i use links2 for these things |
| 12:35.43 | enouf | does too ;-) |
| 12:36.21 | enouf | !smite themill with dual links2 users! |
| 12:36.22 | dpkg | smites themill with dual links2 users! with a plague of punctuation characters |
| 12:36.32 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:36.37 | jpinx | tarzeau: sounds good |
| 12:36.46 | jpinx | any pointers? |
| 12:37.08 | tarzeau | jpinx: run ngrep port 80, or host webserver and then do use links2 -g and fill some stuff, say ok... |
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| 12:37.20 | tarzeau | jpinx: check the http request and make it automatic |
| 12:37.38 | jpinx | tarzeau: cool -- I'll have a go at that - thanks |
| 12:37.56 | themill | enouf: argh! |
| 12:38.12 | jpinx | I am trying to get a series of requests made to a webform and the results presented |
| 12:38.12 | enouf | O_o |
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| 12:38.50 | enouf | jpinx: apt-search? :-P |
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| 12:39.24 | zibri | enouf: apt-cache search apt-search shows nothing ;-) |
| 12:39.37 | jpinx | enouf: it's actually to compare prices of flight tickets ;) |
| 12:39.51 | enouf | zibri: no kidding :-) |
| 12:40.20 | jpinx | enouf: heh - my bad |
| 12:40.20 | enouf | jpinx: the airlines have gone through great pains to make that easy to do ;-) |
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| 12:40.47 | enouf | orbitz.com or whatever .. |
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| 12:41.17 | jpinx | enouf: surprisingly no - it's really difficult to enter a really wide range of dates for both out and in -bound |
| 12:41.44 | enouf | ahh .. Variables .. heh, they don;t like those :-) |
| 12:42.05 | jpinx | I'm a flexible traveller - I'll go when it's cheap ;) |
| 12:42.35 | enouf | jpinx: the further in advance, the greater the savings most times, unless you happen to fill a cancelled seat |
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| 12:43.58 | jpinx | enouf: they don't do more than 10 months in advance :( |
| 12:45.24 | jpinx | I do it manually at the moment - tabulate all the prices for a one way across the range of dates, then check the return on the dates when the outbound was cheapest across a range of return dates |
| 12:45.27 | enouf | well .. cost savings for advance reservations are already maxxed out by that long of time :-P but .. nobody knows if this country will even be here in 10 months - heh |
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| 12:47.07 | Igneous | anyone have any ideas regarding my question? |
| 12:47.45 | enouf | Igneous: hrm .. let's see here now .. |
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| 12:48.48 | enouf | Igneous: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pixmap&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all ? |
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| 12:52.38 | thumbnail | ok, I've been slightly naughty. I managed to get the laptop online by hooking it up to an ethernet cable and spoofing my desktop machines MAC address |
| 12:52.52 | Igneous | enouf: nope, that didn't do anything :| |
| 12:52.55 | enouf | Igneous: i guess not meeting your specific gtk2 requirements? |
| 12:53.58 | jpinx | !spank thumbnail |
| 12:53.58 | dpkg | bends thumbnail over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 12:54.05 | thumbnail | lol |
| 12:54.14 | enouf | Igneous: ok .. hrm .. guess you might need to compile directly then .. grab the source from wherever and build it and install it |
| 12:54.26 | thumbnail | just can't remember the command to reconfigure apt mirrors |
| 12:54.26 | Igneous | that's what I feared |
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| 12:54.43 | enouf | !tell thumbnail -about sources.list |
| 12:54.47 | thumbnail | ty |
| 12:55.04 | Igneous | out of curiosity, why is it not compiled in by default? |
| 12:55.07 | jpinx | thumbnail: there is a wonderful little pkg that does it automagically |
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| 12:55.21 | Igneous | at least half of the themes out there for gtk2 have some pixmap dependency |
| 12:55.26 | thumbnail | jpinx: and what might that lovely pkg be called? |
| 12:55.29 | jpinx | it finds your fastest mirror and writes a new sources.list for you |
| 12:55.43 | jpinx | has temporary memory lapse |
| 12:55.46 | enouf | Igneous: no ides - try /msg dpkg gnome ? visit the related channels? (i know gtk != gnome, but heh) |
| 12:56.00 | enouf | s/ides/idea |
| 12:56.02 | jpinx | can't remember the name - try apt-cache search |
| 12:56.12 | enouf | !apt-spy |
| 12:56.13 | dpkg | [apt-spy] a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 12:56.24 | jpinx | thumbnail: one word of warning - back up your original sources.list -- just in case ;) |
| 12:56.41 | jpinx | thanks enouf :D |
| 12:56.45 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:56.46 | thumbnail | thanks guys :) |
| 12:57.13 | jpinx | thumbnail: I travel a lot and I use it all the time |
| 12:57.27 | enouf | the older one was net<something>-apt |
| 12:57.38 | Igneous | enouf: nobody is in the gnome-debian channel :( |
| 12:57.42 | jpinx | curently I have about 10 versions of sources.list :) |
| 12:57.51 | Igneous | enouf: nevermind, I'm brilliant |
| 12:57.52 | enouf | Igneous: on the irc.gnome.org? |
| 12:57.57 | Igneous | yeah, just noticed that |
| 12:57.58 | enouf | heh |
| 12:58.00 | enouf | :-P |
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| 12:58.45 | enouf | !netselect |
| 12:58.45 | dpkg | netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror), or see http://students.washington.edu/eeyem/software/netsel.pl for a quickie perl script to pick the best debian mirror, or netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you!. Ask me about <netselect.etch> |
| 12:59.24 | jpinx | !netselect.etch |
| 12:59.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netselect.etch is wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netselect/netselect_0.3.ds1-10_i386.deb && wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netselect/netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-12_all.deb && dpkg --install netselect_0.3.ds1-10_i386.deb netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-12_all.deb; netselect-apt -o /etc/apt/sources.list.d/netselect etch |
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| 12:59.35 | jpinx | eugh |
| 13:00.10 | jpinx | apt-spy is a more elegant solution I reckon |
| 13:00.24 | enouf | that's a one-liner my friend - copy and paste ftw :-) |
| 13:00.56 | enouf | it's just grabbing and installing 2 pkgs and setting up the options |
| 13:01.18 | thumbnail | hmm, for some reason none of my http requests are getting through, can I configure apt to use an alternate port? |
| 13:01.38 | enouf | set http_proxy ? |
| 13:01.38 | jpinx | thumbnail: sounds like a dns problem |
| 13:01.48 | enouf | !http_proxy |
| 13:01.49 | dpkg | http_proxy is, like, export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- It can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget - the trailing slash is important!, or export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate |
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| 13:02.30 | jpinx | wonders if there is anything that bot doesn't know |
| 13:02.31 | enouf | guess your little cloning of MAC addy isn't working out too well :-P |
| 13:02.50 | thumbnail | well |
| 13:03.02 | thumbnail | I have the IP addresses of a friends DNS servers |
| 13:03.04 | enouf | if nothing is working :-P |
| 13:03.10 | thumbnail | ssh clearly is working |
| 13:03.20 | enouf | !resolv.conf |
| 13:03.20 | dpkg | hmm... resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, use eg. "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. You can also "prepend" or "append" instead of "supersede". ask me about <fixresolvconf> |
| 13:03.26 | bartden | hi, i'm using urxvt, but it seems that i cant use my HOME and END keyboardbuttons |
| 13:03.28 | jpinx | !macmac change |
| 13:03.32 | jpinx | ooops |
| 13:03.35 | RichiH | i need to get data from two corrupted NTFS disks. full images exist so i can do destroying operations, as well |
| 13:03.41 | jpinx | !mac change |
| 13:03.41 | dpkg | To change the mac address on your network card, look at the macchanger package. Also ask me about <z25>, <ifrename>, <nameif>. |
| 13:03.45 | RichiH | suggestions on procedures & tools? my windows-fu is weak :/ |
| 13:04.03 | enouf | gddrescue and testdisk RichiH ? |
| 13:04.22 | enouf | oh .. you want wintendo tools? see ##windows |
| 13:04.22 | jpinx | RichiH: ddrescue and dd_rescue |
| 13:04.36 | RichiH | jpinx: i used dd_rescue to get the system images |
| 13:04.45 | RichiH | now, i need to get into those images |
| 13:04.48 | RichiH | enouf: googling |
| 13:05.04 | jpinx | RichiH: mount them as a .iso |
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| 13:05.13 | enouf | jpinx: dd_rescue is obsolete and merged - ddrescue is more recent and updated with benefits from the former - gddrescue is Debian's pkgname |
| 13:05.33 | RichiH | enouf: oh? details? |
| 13:05.43 | jpinx | enouf: k - thanks - it's been a while since I used it |
| 13:05.46 | enouf | well .. not much more to tell ;-) |
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| 13:06.03 | jpinx | installs gddrescue |
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| 13:06.14 | enouf | jpinx: yeah - took me a while to sort through it all .. awhile back |
| 13:06.43 | enouf | RichiH: others are sysresccd and INSERT that come to mind - wait .. |
| 13:06.45 | RichiH | ohm, smart merging of files? |
| 13:06.53 | jpinx | I have a couple of old borked hdd's that I need to rescue some day |
| 13:07.16 | RichiH | INSERT being http://www.inside-security.de/INSERT_en.html ? |
| 13:07.21 | enouf | RichiH: here's a whole slew of them http://www.guzu.net/linux/datarecovery.php |
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| 13:07.38 | RichiH | neat |
| 13:07.43 | enouf | RichiH: yep |
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| 13:08.53 | jpinx | RichiH: but if you have an .iso already - just mount it and read it |
| 13:09.13 | RichiH | jpinx: i have a shedload of errors |
| 13:09.19 | Igneous | enouf: ah-ha, they were able to help me |
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| 13:09.29 | Igneous | enouf: for the reference, it's "gtk2-engines-pixbuf" |
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| 13:09.38 | enouf | Igneous: sweet! ... ok great ;-) |
| 13:09.40 | jpinx | ok - enjoy your day sorting through them manually |
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| 13:10.19 | enouf | RichiH: sounds like you need to boot a WinXP CD and enter Recovery Console and run chkdsk /r |
| 13:10.29 | enouf | if that'll even work |
| 13:11.08 | RichiH | jpinx: also, the disk image is padded with stuff the 3ware controllers put there for RAID management |
| 13:11.22 | RichiH | enouf: i can't do stuff on the images directly |
| 13:11.38 | enouf | i see |
| 13:11.39 | RichiH | as there is some prefix from the 3ware controller |
| 13:11.43 | jpinx | RichiH: sounds like a pain - you need a windows solution maybe |
| 13:11.52 | RichiH | it _is_ a pain |
| 13:12.06 | petemc | ontrack works well |
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| 13:12.33 | enouf | RichiH: ask in ##windows, but acronis and bootitng are two apps that come to mind - not sure if they're backup software only or what |
| 13:12.44 | enouf | or image generation capable or .. |
| 13:13.06 | petemc | acronis has many apps |
| 13:13.17 | enouf | right, truimage? |
| 13:13.21 | enouf | similar |
| 13:13.25 | petemc | thats one, theres a recovery one too |
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| 13:13.30 | RichiH | enouf: ##windows is devoid of useful information |
| 13:13.45 | RichiH | figures that i get help about windows recovery in #debian, though :) |
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| 13:13.46 | enouf | RichiH: then you have some light payfor apps like what's at runtime.org |
| 13:13.59 | enouf | 50-100 bucks, IIRC |
| 13:14.35 | enouf | (depends how much the data is worth to the owner) |
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| 13:15.01 | jpinx | RichiH: there are many paid for solutions that will do a proper job - depends on your situation |
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| 13:15.38 | enouf | jpinx: and many of those are 100s and 1000s of $$$ :-) |
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| 13:16.40 | jpinx | managed to recover a badly borked XP hdd that would not even run - took it out and put it in another HDD and it ran long enough to get an image. I was quoted $500 for that ;) |
| 13:17.30 | enouf | RichiH: curious if there's a lesson to be learned about a) using hardware raid and enabling caching yet not having a UPS, and b) how softRAID is a possible better alternative ;-0 |
| 13:18.11 | petemc | softraid and ntfs? |
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| 13:18.21 | enouf | !dmraid |
| 13:18.21 | dpkg | fakeraid is, like, term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 13:18.27 | enouf | well .. |
| 13:18.29 | petemc | i doubt thats a better option |
| 13:19.04 | enouf | indeed - i guess i meant mdadm - however , not sure NTFS can be used for that? hehe .. you have a point! |
| 13:19.31 | enouf | using ntfs at all was the 1st mistake :-) |
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| 13:19.42 | petemc | ntfs isnt a bad fs |
| 13:20.05 | enouf | wait . doesn't windows have some sort of Dynamic Disks for softraid? |
| 13:20.18 | enouf | why would someone not using windows use ntfs? |
| 13:20.32 | enouf | and if they're not using windows, and using linux - use mdadm |
| 13:21.39 | jpinx | I have a legacy ntfs situation that I can't move to ext3 due to lack of spare hdd capacity - so I live with it |
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| 13:22.21 | enouf | !smite jpinx with more Gigabytes! |
| 13:22.21 | dpkg | smites jpinx with more Gigabytes! with a plague of Microsoft Lawyers |
| 13:22.24 | petemc | throws an old 500gig drive at jpinx |
| 13:22.44 | petemc | less than the price of a meal at a restaurant |
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| 13:23.07 | enouf | less than a carton of cigarettes - heh |
| 13:23.30 | superjet_busy | when libata will be enabled in official kernel? |
| 13:23.32 | lunaphyte_ | how can i determine with which arguments a particular packaged program was built (e.g. i want to know if slapd was built with -DSLAP_CONFIG_DELETE)? |
| 13:23.40 | enouf | but not worth it for beer money! ;-) |
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| 13:23.54 | enouf | superjet_busy: huh? |
| 13:24.10 | enouf | superjet_busy: er .. it's been there since .. er .22 ish? |
| 13:24.23 | superjet_busy | enouf: no |
| 13:24.33 | enouf | ... |
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| 13:25.08 | enouf | lunaphyte: it |
| 13:25.27 | enouf | lunaphyte: it's prolly easiest to just ask the maintainer |
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| 13:25.46 | superjet_busy | enouf: my ide disk still as hda while it should be sda under libata |
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| 13:26.06 | petemc | lunaphyte_: you can grab the source and look at the rules file |
| 13:26.14 | enouf | or .. grab the source and look at the default build options in debian/rules? |
| 13:26.26 | enouf | !late me |
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| 13:26.56 | superjet_busy | enouf: lfs livecd and many others distros like fc, ub enable it already |
| 13:27.02 | enouf | types s l o w l y .. like SystemFAILURE d o e s |
| 13:27.12 | SystemFAILURE | enouf:: lol |
| 13:27.18 | anddam | hello |
| 13:27.22 | superjet_busy | enouf: it's disabled in the config |
| 13:27.23 | anddam | L O L |
| 13:27.32 | anddam | ybin: Blessing /dev/hda2 with Holy Penguin Pee... |
| 13:27.50 | anddam | that's what --verbose is meant for... |
| 13:27.51 | RichiH | enouf: well, it's not my box |
| 13:28.04 | enouf | superjet_busy: ub == ubuntu? if you have an issue with lfs ask them |
| 13:28.05 | RichiH | enouf: if it were my box, it would have been UPSed |
| 13:28.17 | enouf | RichiH: aye |
| 13:28.33 | enouf | anddam: indeed ;-) |
| 13:28.58 | enouf | yaboot eh? |
| 13:29.01 | superjet_busy | enouf: no issue with them, just test them once |
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| 13:29.40 | enouf | superjet_busy: well .. each distro makes it's own choices and applies it's own patches, etc etc ... get a grip man |
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| 13:31.03 | superjet_busy | enouf: yes, just curisous about that it seems debian is the only one still stick to no libata |
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| 13:31.08 | enouf | superjet_busy: i got news for you - so is mine under 2.6.26-1-686 Debian kernel |
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| 13:31.36 | enouf | superjet_busy: it's not a lack of it you weenie - just no benefits for these disks ... |
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| 13:32.03 | anddam | enouf: yes, are you yaboot-savvy? |
| 13:32.16 | enouf | go buy a SATA enabled motherboard - then say that |
| 13:32.26 | enouf | anddam: i just recall reading about it ;-) |
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| 13:33.40 | superjet_busy | enouf: i'd rather to recompile the kernel |
| 13:33.51 | enouf | superjet_busy: help yourself ;-) |
| 13:34.06 | enouf | superjet_busy: might i recommend make-kpkg for you? ;-) |
| 13:34.17 | superjet_busy | enouf: no |
| 13:34.21 | enouf | haha |
| 13:34.35 | anddam | enouf: I'm having issues as I'm trying to use fbsd loader instead of openbsd one |
| 13:34.41 | superjet_busy | enouf: i've already have one with libata enabled... |
| 13:34.49 | enouf | you seem like the grumpy old man ... that others sometimes refer to me as :-P |
| 13:35.05 | anddam | grumpy? |
| 13:35.12 | enouf | not you |
| 13:35.25 | anddam | whoever it is, I don't know the word |
| 13:35.36 | anddam | is there an on-the-fly dictionary with debian? |
| 13:35.36 | enouf | !google grumpy |
| 13:35.51 | anddam | I use dashboard on OSX for that kind of stuff |
| 13:35.54 | enouf | !dict |
| 13:36.03 | lunaphyte_ | petemc / enouf : thanks - download the source package from here? http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/openldap - i don't see a rules file in that source tarball though. |
| 13:36.08 | enouf | oh crap .. lmao |
| 13:36.33 | anddam | btw this ibook is on etch |
| 13:36.37 | anddam | I should move to lenny |
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| 13:37.57 | superjet_busy | find a guy: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/173988-kernel-config-where-libata.html |
| 13:38.15 | enouf | lunaphyte_: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-openldap/openldap/trunk/debian/rules?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 13:39.40 | lunaphyte_ | enouf: ah - thanks. how can i build my own package with custom compile arguments? |
| 13:39.54 | J6Dof | hi, im trying to run suse on virtualbox but i get this error :http://paste.org/index.php?id=4458 . all virtualbox modules are installed but the problem still exists |
| 13:40.00 | anddam | |upgrade |
| 13:40.22 | enouf | lunaphyte_: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 13:40.58 | SuZuKinDeR | enouf : nah. I eat enouf spam already :p |
| 13:41.11 | enouf | SuZuKinDeR: haha - a 5 hour lunch! |
| 13:41.20 | SuZuKinDeR | -_-' |
| 13:41.21 | enouf | too much saki :-) |
| 13:41.48 | anddam | is there any difference (now) between having "etch" or "stable" repository in sources.list? |
| 13:42.05 | SuZuKinDeR | i had a long talk, thats all :) |
| 13:42.13 | enouf | J6Dof: i think #virtualbox or #suse is more apropos, don't you? |
| 13:42.33 | zibri | anddam: no, but when lenny becomes stable a sources.list with stable will automatically use lenny |
| 13:42.41 | enouf | anddam: not at this very moment, no .. once Lenny is released, then very much so |
| 13:42.51 | anddam | I have to dist-upgrade |
| 13:43.00 | J6Dof | enouf:didnt know virtual box room thanks |
| 13:43.23 | SuZuKinDeR | anddam: i'd use only etch for the source, and change it when the new stable is out |
| 13:43.24 | enouf | J6Dof: do /msg ALIS list #somechannel* |
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| 13:43.42 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: you have a amd64 kernel? |
| 13:43.51 | J6Dof | mhym:yes |
| 13:43.53 | anddam | so I should SuZuKinDeR I don't really use sources |
| 13:44.02 | anddam | s/so I should// |
| 13:44.34 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: afaik that's the problem, try using a 686 one or get a 64 bit vbox |
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| 13:45.26 | J6Dof | mhymn:i installed vbox by apt |
| 13:45.33 | mhymn_ | i know |
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| 13:46.04 | J6Dof | mhymn:so i suppose it is a 64 bit vbox. isnt it ? |
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| 13:48.08 | SuZuKinDeR | anddam: if you dist-upgrade from Sarge, you could just put Etch instead in the sources and dist-upgrade |
| 13:48.54 | anddam | no I'm on etch, going to lenny |
| 13:48.59 | anddam | I just read etch->lenny |
| 13:49.18 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: http://tinyurl.com/5waxjd |
| 13:49.26 | enouf | SuZuKinDeR: er .. no, you should follow the procedure in the sarge->etch factoid .. most likely to upgrade sarge fully prior to upgrading to etch |
| 13:49.50 | anddam | enouf: I am _not_ on sarge |
| 13:49.57 | enouf | so i hear :-P |
| 13:50.18 | SuZuKinDeR | ok anddam, my mistake, i just supposed |
| 13:50.23 | mhymn_ | J6Dof: and you'll get many of such urls in google as well |
| 13:50.27 | enouf | remember that lil' thing i said about s l o w typing? :-P |
| 13:50.44 | enouf | SuZuKinDeR: no worries |
| 13:51.00 | lfaraone | enouf: do you have a day job? :) |
| 13:51.04 | SuZuKinDeR | enouf: i didn't know i had to fully upgrade first. good to know |
| 13:51.10 | enouf | lfaraone: for you? yes |
| 13:51.15 | SuZuKinDeR | i'm to blame for not reading the docs enough :/ |
| 13:51.38 | enouf | lfaraone: maintaining my many girlfriends is my day job ;-) |
| 13:51.54 | mhymn_ | you need help? :P |
| 13:52.01 | enouf | speaking of which - one is calling me now ;-) |
| 13:52.17 | enouf | mhymn_: for a fee - sure :-P |
| 13:52.19 | lfaraone | Hey, how do I use `mysql` to connect to a remote server? (not local, of course) |
| 13:52.25 | J6Dof | mhymn: damn it ! :P i could have saved a lot of times on this ! |
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| 13:53.15 | SuZuKinDeR | anddam: so it seems that the way to go is first upgrading your etch, then putting lenny in your sources to dist-upgrade |
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| 13:53.44 | anddam | that's what I did, dist-upgrade in stable upgraded 1 library |
| 13:53.55 | anddam | now I'm upgrading lenny |
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| 13:55.14 | tq|Memphis | helo , how can i install unrar? |
| 13:55.33 | tq|Memphis | i'm newbie and i want to open my .rar file |
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| 13:55.59 | moist | Hi. I am having a problem using kvm on Lenny. I read that if it works, the window title will say 'qemu/kvm', yet mine only says 'qemu'. I have the 'kvm' and 'kvm_intel' modules loaded, the user trying to do this is in the 'kvm' group and /dev/kvm is readable and writable by this user. What else am I missing? |
| 13:56.04 | lunaphyte_ | looking at http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-openldap/openldap/trunk/debian/rules?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 - in which section would i find options passed to the source package's configure.sh script? |
| 13:56.14 | anddam | tq|Memphis: apt-cache search unrar |
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| 13:56.22 | kebomix | Free Programming e-books With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here : http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
| 13:56.35 | anddam | ah, good ol' spam |
| 13:56.45 | OkupantE | hi |
| 13:57.15 | enouf | moist: enable VT in your BIOS |
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| 13:57.30 | tq|Memphis | anddam: ty, very useful command :> |
| 13:57.34 | enouf | moist: /msg dpkg kvm |
| 13:57.42 | moist | enouf: thanks! |
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| 13:59.46 | mhymn_ | hehe |
| 13:59.57 | enouf | !customer |
| 13:59.57 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 14:00.48 | SuZuKinDeR | :) |
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| 14:03.57 | moist | enouf: unfortunately, it already was enabled in my BIOS |
| 14:04.16 | moist | so this wasn't it |
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| 14:04.53 | enouf | moist: odd ... hrm .. just show me output of grep flags /proc/cpuinfo please? |
| 14:05.21 | moist | enouf: it's two times this line: |
| 14:05.21 | moist | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 14:05.28 | jpinx | ngrep is way beyond my limited skills :( |
| 14:05.36 | enouf | ok - you got the flag - thanks |
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| 14:06.12 | enouf | moist: yes, 2x, one for CPU0 and another for CPU1 (core2duo) |
| 14:06.23 | jpinx | enouf: can you share a example of ngrep ? |
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| 14:06.34 | moist | enouf: also, id(1) confirms that I am in the 'kvm' group and ls -l /dev/kvm shows |
| 14:06.38 | moist | crw-rw---- 1 root kvm 10, 232 2008-12-10 15:02 /dev/kvm |
| 14:06.44 | moist | so that should be ok, too, right? |
| 14:06.54 | enouf | moist: go through dmesg output for any possible clues - unless - that info you mentioned is incorrect (about qemu/kvm) |
| 14:06.57 | moist | (also: the problem also exists when I start kvm as root) |
| 14:07.13 | enouf | jpinx: i know of it - haven't used it much |
| 14:07.19 | moist | oh, so you can't confirm that? |
| 14:07.35 | jpinx | enouf: k - ta |
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| 14:07.56 | enouf | moist: no - (not about seeing qemu vs qemu/kvm in the window) |
| 14:08.06 | moist | enouf: the only thing a 'dmesg | grep -i kvm' shows is |
| 14:08.07 | moist | [ 86.959761] kvm: emulating exchange as write |
| 14:08.20 | DeathWolf | anyone sees a way to login all process startup/end? |
| 14:08.30 | moist | (it's from the time I last tried starting kvm after the last reboot) |
| 14:08.33 | DeathWolf | I'm trying to debug what service is causing sudden uptime spikes when I sleep |
| 14:08.39 | enouf | moist: well, i meant moreso as possibly ACPI being disabled or something - cat /proc/cmdline |
| 14:08.44 | DeathWolf | (with associated large swapping) |
| 14:08.49 | jpinx | tarzeau: can you maybe share something of ngrep? the man page is way beyond me. :( |
| 14:09.00 | moist | root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 14:09.08 | enouf | moist: looks fine .. |
| 14:09.10 | tarzeau | jpinx: ngrep port 80? |
| 14:09.15 | tarzeau | jpinx: it's like tcpdump |
| 14:10.11 | enouf | moist: hop over to debian-kernel on oftc.net and ask about that info you mentioned - btw, where did you hear that from? |
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| 14:10.24 | jpinx | tarzeau: ok - I am trying to fill a website form |
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| 14:11.58 | moist | enouf: I'm not sure anymore, I read so many kvm howtos in the last few hours and I don't have all the iceweasel tabs open anymore. I just found out that kvm has a switch to explicitly disable the hardware virtualization. I'll see if that makes it notacably slower (which it should, right?) |
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| 14:12.34 | enouf | moist: i'd think so .. yes .. |
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| 14:13.17 | enouf | moist: information from a window title would also depend on your window manager and such - so .. i wouldn't rely too much on that - anyways .. /me needs to run .. see yas all later ... |
| 14:14.15 | moist | enouf: ok, with the -no-kvm switch, the guest os boots WAY slower |
| 14:14.22 | moist | giant difference |
| 14:14.28 | moist | so I guess kvm works after all :) |
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| 14:14.31 | moist | enouf: thanks and bye :) |
| 14:15.39 | DeathWolf | allutf8; jp text: ãããããè³¢ã; russian text: ÐÐÐÐÒÐ; chinese text: èèæ¥è³è¤ï¼ æ¡è¯ç§çæ½; korean text: í민ì ì; various eu accents: éèà ùêâîôûçëïüÿÄšžäöáÃñ |
| 14:15.43 | DeathWolf | mmm, process accounting sounds like what I want |
| 14:15.46 | DeathWolf | arg |
| 14:15.49 | DeathWolf | sorry about that paste |
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| 14:17.23 | Verver | is the curent version etch? |
| 14:17.37 | jpinx | Verver: current stable is etch |
| 14:17.45 | jpinx | or etchnhalf |
| 14:18.12 | Verver | good, I'll use it in coLinux |
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| 14:31.45 | abrotman | *chirp* |
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| 14:33.06 | mhymn_ | oh, you scared the bird, escaped |
| 14:33.20 | tmp_ | Morning. |
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| 14:35.32 | tmp_ | I'm looking at setting up wine to run in qemu-i386. Can I set up apt to maintain it and all its dependencies in /usr/gnemul/qemu-i386/ (or something like that)? |
| 14:36.07 | abrotman | tmp_: why not run wine on your native x86 system ? |
| 14:36.22 | tmp_ | What native x86 system? |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | then why not just run windows in qemu :) |
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| 14:36.49 | nauticalthinker | Morning Mates! |
| 14:36.51 | tmp_ | qemu won't network on this box. |
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| 14:37.26 | abrotman | qemu is kind of self contained AFAIK .. so if you install an i386 qemu Debian instance in the qemu .. you sohuldn't have to worry about managing the apt bits |
| 14:37.41 | nauticalthinker | I've just installed wine 1.1.1 and while using IE6 to access my Exchange 2003 box to check mail it eats up my memory like nothing else |
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| 14:38.04 | nauticalthinker | This only happens when connecting to OWA (outlook web access) |
| 14:38.05 | roo | jjhello everyone |
| 14:38.16 | petemc | nauticalthinker: owa should work with iceweasel |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | and if you want to complain about IE eating RAM, you're talking to the wrong people |
| 14:38.44 | nauticalthinker | yes you are right, but it's the light version |
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| 14:39.01 | nauticalthinker | I need to use the full version which gives the user more features |
| 14:39.18 | nauticalthinker | so by using IE6 under wine this allows me to do so |
| 14:39.45 | tmp_ | abrotman: I can't get it working as a full emulator. When trying to network it just sends packets to stdout. |
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| 14:40.53 | roo00oo | has anyone here got any experience with debian on eeepc? |
| 14:41.35 | nauticalthinker | exit |
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| 14:48.13 | djc2 | bonjour |
| 14:48.28 | abrotman | tmp_: really? that's weird |
| 14:48.37 | abrotman | tmp_: there is a qemu channel i beileve |
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| 14:49.36 | bou- | hi |
| 14:49.56 | bou- | i don't get how sources.list works |
| 14:50.18 | bou- | i'm not happy with a package in etch |
| 14:50.33 | bou- | i want to try the testing packages of openssh |
| 14:50.33 | petemc | why not? |
| 14:50.52 | bou- | i experience a bug |
| 14:50.53 | petemc | bou-: you can use backports with etch |
| 14:51.07 | petemc | more specifically? |
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| 14:51.14 | bou- | my openssh won't accept any rsa >1024bits |
| 14:51.37 | bou- | petemc: what iss a backports ? |
| 14:51.49 | petemc | its more recent packages, backported to work withg etch |
| 14:51.56 | bou- | sorry i don't master debian at all, i don't know where to get info about the syntax of source.list |
| 14:52.20 | bou- | petemc: how do I do that ? |
| 14:52.34 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.40 | petemc | also /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 14:53.06 | debianforlife | use lenny, its just as stable as etch and a heck of a lot newer |
| 14:53.28 | debianforlife | it will (hopefully) be released soon anyway |
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| 14:53.38 | mhymn_ | *cheers* |
| 14:53.38 | jamess__ | hi |
| 14:53.47 | jamess__ | anyone know about the secure debian disto |
| 14:54.32 | abrotman | !harden |
| 14:54.33 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 14:54.56 | rue_mohr | ok, all the kde stuff is installed, I'm sure of it, but when x starts I just get a background, why no launcher or anything? |
| 14:56.14 | anddam | rue_mohr: define "when x starts" |
| 14:56.18 | rue_mohr | this is a machine that wasn't set up with X, so I might still be missing something |
| 14:56.39 | rue_mohr | after login (sorry) |
| 14:57.02 | rue_mohr | (via kdm) |
| 14:57.04 | anddam | rue_mohr: was that meant to me? |
| 14:57.26 | rue_mohr | yea |
| 14:57.35 | rue_mohr | your the only one talking... |
| 14:57.41 | anddam | rue_mohr: don't talk in parenthesis then |
| 14:57.58 | rue_mohr | so, what do you think I'm missing? |
| 14:58.30 | anddam | idk, but you didn't explain what "x starts" mean |
| 14:59.05 | anddam | is there a startkde script or so? |
| 14:59.32 | rue_mohr | ok x starts, as in the x server and x client, kdm comes up with its login screen, I log in, and I'm left with a nice pretty background and a mouse pointer, nothing else |
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| 14:59.52 | anddam | so it's some kde session thingy, I'd say |
| 15:00.07 | rue_mohr | startkde, I'll look for that |
| 15:00.18 | anddam | well but kdm should handle it correctly |
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| 15:00.25 | bou- | petemc : "deb ftp:/bla/ testing main contrib" is fine for what I want ? |
| 15:00.27 | anddam | anyway check for errors in logs |
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| 15:01.00 | SuZuKinDeR | rue_mohr: or it could be some problem with the session parameters in your ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 too |
| 15:01.33 | anddam | rue_mohr: try logginh in as a different user |
| 15:01.39 | anddam | logging* |
| 15:01.51 | rue_mohr | ksmserver wasn't installed, installing it now |
| 15:01.57 | debianforlife | try rm -fr ~/.DCOPserver* Sometimes i have to do tihs to make kde things work |
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| 15:02.06 | AndreMilton | hy |
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| 15:04.03 | abrotman | that's pretty sad |
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| 15:13.28 | rommelandea | hi |
| 15:14.22 | dustybin | when installing apache 2 for pure home use, very low traffic, would the apache2 package be ok? |
| 15:14.31 | bou- | is it normall that apt-get install openssh-server gives me plenty of other packages to be upgraded ? |
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| 15:15.09 | rue_mohr | ok, what shte name of the kde version of a taskbar? |
| 15:15.14 | mhymn_ | dustybin: i think so, why not? |
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| 15:15.36 | hoxu | dustybin, or you could see if lighttpd or some other more minimalistic web server works for you |
| 15:15.49 | bou- | ah nvm, backports will help me |
| 15:15.53 | rue_mohr | do any of these application name make sense anymore? |
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| 15:16.09 | hoxu | bou-, what sources are you using? |
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| 15:17.04 | mhymn_ | rue_mohr: it's taskbar, it's a applet for kicker of course |
| 15:17.22 | ignotus | how can I get what is the timezone on my system? |
| 15:17.41 | mhymn_ | ignotus: /etc/timezone |
| 15:17.44 | bou- | hoxu: etch, but i need a recent openssh-server package so i added testing to my sources.list |
| 15:17.44 | bravo | is ubuntu = debian ? |
| 15:17.47 | ignotus | mhymn_: thanks |
| 15:17.55 | mhymn_ | bravo: NO |
| 15:17.58 | hoxu | bravo, ubuntu is based on debian |
| 15:18.08 | bou- | but earlier petemc told me to use backports instead of testing |
| 15:18.13 | bravo | did debian team split and form ubuntu ? |
| 15:18.34 | mhymn_ | bravo: same answer |
| 15:18.41 | hoxu | bou-, if you've mixed stable and testing packages you are screwed and are better off upgrading to testing completely |
| 15:18.43 | hoxu | !upgrade path |
| 15:18.44 | dpkg | from memory, upgrade path is install <stable> first, then use <backports.org> if you need newer software, then maybe <simple sid backport>, upgrade to <testing>, use <pinning>, and when you want to abandon all hope, go for <unstable> |
| 15:18.47 | rommelandea | i'm try to create a new user that when hi login halt my server. i've modified /etc/passwd with the command vipw and i've modified /bin/bash with sudo /sbin/halt. i have also add halt ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt |
| 15:18.58 | hoxu | bravo, go ask ubuntu about their history |
| 15:19.05 | bou- | hoxu : yeah but i didn't updated any packages yet |
| 15:19.27 | bou- | when I saw libc6 or ssl i stopped |
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| 15:19.39 | bou- | i just want a recent openssh-server |
| 15:19.50 | hoxu | bou-, *any* at all? Then remove testing sources and apt-get update |
| 15:19.57 | hoxu | bou-, and see if backports has one |
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| 15:20.08 | Joelio | hey guys, how do I go about setting up an etch package mirror with support to upload my own packages to it? Any linkage/ |
| 15:20.17 | abrotman | !repository |
| 15:20.17 | dpkg | well, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 15:22.44 | bou- | hoxu ; ok, but backport doesn't have a recent openssh-server so far... |
| 15:22.46 | bou- | i'm screwed |
| 15:23.10 | hoxu | !ssd |
| 15:23.10 | dpkg | ssd is probably (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. |
| 15:23.19 | hoxu | not sure how easy openssh-server is to backport though... |
| 15:23.41 | hoxu | bou-, yes, I think you are screwed :P |
| 15:23.57 | abrotman | bou-: which feature are you looking for ? |
| 15:23.59 | Joelio | abrotman: Is that not just for custom packages though and not a full mirror+custom? |
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| 15:24.12 | abrotman | Joelio: and then use apt-proxy for a proxy |
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| 15:24.48 | hoxu | apt-proxy sucks, but then again, so do probably the rest of alternatives :| |
| 15:25.19 | abrotman | you can even point apt-proxy at your own repo |
| 15:25.59 | bou- | hoxu or abrotman : do you use RSA keys >1024b with stable openssh-server ? |
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| 15:26.14 | bou- | openssh doesn't handle them, at least for me |
| 15:26.25 | bou- | that's why i wanted to upgrade this package |
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| 15:27.08 | jelly | hoxu: backporting openssh is easy enough |
| 15:27.10 | bou- | debug messages are useless |
| 15:27.26 | hoxu | bou-, see what jelly said |
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| 15:27.49 | bou- | lol, too hard for me :p |
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| 15:28.02 | jelly | hoxu: we're running 5.1 on sarge or etch, don't remember |
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| 15:28.27 | Joelio | abrotman: apt-proxy doesn't look like it does what I want.. I'm after a full mirror with custom packages, so I only need one line in my sources.list. |
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| 15:32.38 | abrotman | Joelio: why the heck do you need a full mirror ? do you have any idea how much space that takes? |
| 15:34.25 | bravo | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 15:34.31 | bravo | ?? |
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| 15:34.47 | abrotman | try it without the goofy characters in front |
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| 15:37.16 | Schiz0|SD | Is there any way that I can use the latest version of memcached in etch? Without compiling and installing form source myself? |
| 15:37.24 | Schiz0|SD | I cehcked backports.org, and it's not on there :-\ |
| 15:38.19 | Schiz0|SD | the version in etch is extremely old, and I need the bugfixes in later versions :-\ |
| 15:38.19 | petemc | you could attempt to backport sids version yourself |
| 15:38.19 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.55 | Schiz0|SD | sid's version is also outdated :-\ |
| 15:39.13 | petemc | then it would appear the source is your only option |
| 15:39.20 | Schiz0|SD | aliright |
| 15:39.23 | Schiz0|SD | thanks |
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| 15:40.40 | mick_laptop | ok, this is really off topic, but I'd like to know where I can ask about flow charts. I've been asked by management to create a flow chart and a particular part of the whole thing confuses me |
| 15:41.08 | petemc | werent you taught about flow charts in school? |
| 15:41.16 | mick_laptop | yes i was |
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| 15:41.38 | jamess__ | is there a special secure debian distro for military etc.. ? |
| 15:41.49 | JyZyXEL | haha "Now, suspend/resume debugging is some of the nastiest crud around, because when you suspend a machine, you end up (obviously) having to turn all the devices off. And guess what? That also means that you have no way to then inform the user about what is going on when things go wrong, because all those nice devices (like the screen - duh) will not be available. So no screen output, no serial console traces, no network dumps, no nothin |
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| 15:42.15 | petemc | no need to reprint linus blog here.. |
| 15:42.25 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, too long, and this isn't bash.org or wikiquotes |
| 15:42.58 | d-b | jamess__: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 15:43.10 | mick_laptop | jamess__: no, but there is the NSA hardening guidelines for RHEL (which apply to debian) and there are DoD compliant MAC controls w/ selinux. Debian can easily be made compliant to most military standards |
| 15:45.04 | jamess__ | mick_laptop: ah ok |
| 15:45.23 | jamess__ | mick_laptop: where are the mil dod stuff on that link? |
| 15:45.42 | lynucs | day of defeat? ;) |
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| 15:47.02 | theeclipse | Hi guys, When I mount my external HDD I can not change its owner, also I can not set it's permission to 777, any idea ? |
| 15:47.33 | mick_laptop | jamess__: there are no references to DoD on that |
| 15:47.54 | jamess__ | mick_laptop: how can i make the debian comply to military dod standards |
| 15:48.04 | mick_laptop | the DoD stuff can be found on the NSA's website |
| 15:48.16 | mick_laptop | and i believe that the DoD actually publishes docs on this |
| 15:48.20 | petemc | theeclipse: what filesystem? |
| 15:48.25 | mick_laptop | not debian specific, but linux related |
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| 15:48.54 | theeclipse | petemc: it is VFAT |
| 15:49.14 | petemc | theeclipse: vfat doesnt support unix permissions, you set them at mount time |
| 15:49.48 | SerajewelKS | slightly OT, but is there any variant of FTP (actually FTP, not scp or anything like that) that uses an in-band mechanism for data transfer instead of a new data connection? |
| 15:49.56 | theeclipse | petemc: you mean after I mounted it I can not change any permission ? |
| 15:50.10 | mick_laptop | jamess__: depending where you are in the military, it might differ. I'm not sure what kind of classified docs you work with (and don't need to know) -- if you have any specific questions, talk to your supervisor |
| 15:50.23 | theeclipse | petemc: or there is no permission on VFAT at all ? |
| 15:50.40 | hoxu | !tell theeclipse about vfatrw |
| 15:50.49 | dustybin | is there a way to remove every single installed package, so one is left with just a base debian system? |
| 15:51.28 | mick_laptop | jamess__: it is not COE Certified afaik |
| 15:51.32 | hoxu | dustybin, no, but you can remove a lot of unneeded ones by using aptitude to mark them "automatically installed" for example |
| 15:51.33 | theeclipse | hoxu: thanks. |
| 15:51.42 | theeclipse | petemc: thanks. |
| 15:51.56 | mick_laptop | jamess__: best bet will be to talk to a supervisor |
| 15:53.10 | jamess__ | i heard there was a secure debian military distro |
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| 15:54.14 | hoxu | jamess__, organisations and companies have more or less secret internal distros... but it's also likely that the people you've heard have been confused about things :) |
| 15:54.15 | zafy | hey guys anyone got any experience with postfix ? |
| 15:54.21 | hoxu | !anyone |
| 15:54.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 15:54.45 | zafy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.48 | mick_laptop | jamess__: There used to be DODD 5200.28-STD Department of Defense Trusted Computer System Evaluation Criteria, December 1985 -- which i'm sure noone cares about anymore. Are you a member of the US armed forces? or are you just looking to have a secure computer at home? |
| 15:55.01 | zafy | when I try to send emails to those boxes I get the following error : |
| 15:55.05 | mick_laptop | jamess__: i'm not sure what the newest standards are for the DoD |
| 15:55.10 | zafy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.29 | zafy | is there anyway to tell postfix to go to the distant serveur when the user name is not in the table ? |
| 15:55.35 | tuxcrafter | hi all, i have a question when I do: echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' | tee --append /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 15:56.03 | tuxcrafter | will my apt-get dist-upgrade automaticly go to the lenny repo when lenny becomes stable? |
| 15:56.23 | tuxcrafter | i want a system where i dont need to change my sources.list |
| 15:57.05 | mick_laptop | petemc: my question was: http://www.rff.com/software_flowchart.htm (look at the third object from the top) -- is this a standard object? i'm not sure how to chart out a website menu, that item would seem to make sense. |
| 15:57.36 | petemc | tuxcrafter: if you have stable it will, but its often better to read the release notes and follow the recommended procedure |
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| 15:58.24 | mick_laptop | petemc: i learned about flow charts like: (start) -> <question?> -> .... |
| 15:58.54 | petemc | mick_laptop: yeah, as did i, i dont see the logic in that box, but im not an expert |
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| 15:59.08 | tuxcrafter | petemc: i want to build a system does does automatic updating and always uses the stable |
| 15:59.19 | tuxcrafter | for example in field debian systems |
| 15:59.31 | mick_laptop | i wanted to do the flow of 3 types of accounts (admin, user, guest) and i wanted to chart it in one flow chart |
| 15:59.32 | tuxcrafter | and debian print servers |
| 15:59.44 | mick_laptop | petemc: ^^^ that is why i was wondering if there was a channel |
| 15:59.46 | petemc | tuxcrafter: im not sure how wise it would be to automatically upgrade between releases |
| 16:00.02 | petemc | mick_laptop: no idea |
| 16:00.08 | mick_laptop | :-/ |
| 16:00.22 | tuxcrafter | petemc: i now but it sould work else people need to buy a new system for software updates |
| 16:00.25 | tuxcrafter | and i hate that |
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| 16:00.50 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.19 | dustybin | Setting up exim4 (4.69-9) ... |
| 16:01.20 | tuxcrafter | dustybin: do you have default install recommended on? |
| 16:01.28 | dustybin | whats that? |
| 16:01.29 | petemc | dustybin: theres a requirement for mail-transport-agent, this has been well debated |
| 16:01.36 | tuxcrafter | i found out that is default and it isntalls a lot of extra unwanted stuff |
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| 16:01.48 | dustybin | petemc: what has mysql-server-5.0 got to do with exim ? o_0 |
| 16:02.01 | tuxcrafter | dustybin: echo 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' | tee --append /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:02.20 | tuxcrafter | dustybin: exim is used to mail stuff when something go wrong with mysql |
| 16:02.37 | dustybin | if one wanted exim, one would install exim, not mysql-server |
| 16:02.40 | hoxu | tuxcrafter, why '| tee --append' and not '>>'? :P |
| 16:02.50 | tuxcrafter | you may use what ever you wish |
| 16:02.54 | tuxcrafter | i like tee |
| 16:02.54 | petemc | dustybin: you're treading over well trodden ground |
| 16:02.54 | \amethyst | dustybin: it recommends mailx, which depends on mail-transfer-agent |
| 16:03.03 | dustybin | oh ok |
| 16:03.09 | \amethyst | dustybin: you don't have to use exim4, it's just the default. nullmailer or ssmtp would work fine |
| 16:03.39 | dustybin | i dont want to use any MTA at all, i just wanted mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 16:03.44 | d-b | Ahtenus: postfix too |
| 16:03.51 | dustybin | and now my disk space has gone :( |
| 16:04.09 | \amethyst | dustybin: so install it without recommends so that you don't get mailx installed |
| 16:04.29 | \amethyst | it won't be able to send mail, but it sounds like you don't want it to be able to |
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| 16:05.59 | Spyro1 | hi |
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| 16:06.41 | Spyro1 | Im trying to build a bootable usb stick |
| 16:06.54 | Spyro1 | which is capable of booting a macine |
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| 16:07.00 | potek | hello all |
| 16:07.12 | Spyro1 | mounting an NFS share onto which debian is to be installed |
| 16:07.21 | Spyro1 | and then netinstalling into it |
| 16:07.32 | Spyro1 | Ive done it before but forgot how |
| 16:07.56 | Spyro1 | right now Im trying to use the klibc nfsmount binary to mount the share |
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| 16:08.21 | Spyro1 | but its not running (however it does run on my lenny x86 machine) |
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| 16:09.15 | Spyro1 | just says 'not found' |
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| 16:09.58 | Spyro1 | I suspect they may need to dynamically load some library (despite being statically linked) but cant find out what for the life of me |
| 16:10.34 | Spyro1 | but right now being unable to mount the nfs share is the only thing between me and victory |
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| 16:12.41 | tuxcrafter | Spyro1: when you got a fully working bootable machine from usb stick could you share the commands how to build this? I am stuck on the boot from usb part and grub, some systems work some do not.... even while they can boot with vfat |
| 16:13.13 | Spyro1 | Im not using grub |
| 16:13.32 | Spyro1 | I use the debian usb inst instructions to make the stick bootable |
| 16:13.39 | Spyro1 | then copied on a newer kernel, |
| 16:13.49 | Spyro1 | and altered the intird too carry its modules |
| 16:14.08 | Spyro1 | syslinux as loader |
| 16:14.32 | Spyro1 | whats really annoying is that some of the klkibc bins work - gunzip does |
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| 16:14.39 | Spyro1 | but others do not |
| 16:14.43 | Spyro1 | eg. nfsmount |
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| 16:16.14 | Ahtenus | How do i install drivers to my wireless smartcart device, DWL-G650 ? |
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| 16:18.09 | Spyro1 | this channel is a ghost town |
| 16:18.58 | Ahtenus | humm yeah kind of... |
| 16:20.42 | amphi | clanks his chains |
| 16:20.44 | SuZuKinDeR | is it ? people have been talking quite a lot since i loggued in |
| 16:20.56 | SuZuKinDeR | though it seems more calm now :) |
| 16:21.03 | amphi | !qotd0 |
| 16:21.04 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
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| 16:21.37 | mhymn_ | Ahtenus: might help you: /msg dpkg dwlg650m |
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| 16:22.44 | Spyro1 | aha |
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| 16:22.59 | Spyro1 | the 'real' nfs mount utility is ok to run from the install initrd |
| 16:23.07 | Spyro1 | just enough glibc to do it :) |
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| 16:30.59 | peleg | do you know if gnome-terminal should support RTL and LTR marks? |
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| 16:32.07 | ringo999 | what is a good calculator for x? |
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| 16:32.16 | petemc | xcalc! |
| 16:32.22 | Maulkin | bc |
| 16:32.23 | ringo999 | ;-) |
| 16:32.34 | Maulkin | What do you mean by 'good'? |
| 16:32.52 | peleg | I think gcalctool is good. |
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| 16:35.58 | qwertz | Hi, trying to get my tv card running. when the saa7134 module loads I've got to add a parameter "card=xx" how can I do this at startup? |
| 16:36.42 | patrikf | qwertz: man modprobe.conf :) ("options") |
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| 16:38.29 | qwertz | patrikf, neither man or locate or apt-file brings up something to modprobe.conf :( |
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| 16:39.46 | patrikf | qwertz: using etch then, I guess? maybe debian changed the configuration file structure. |
| 16:40.05 | valdyn | qwertz: no surprise, that file is not in debian |
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| 16:40.33 | patrikf | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=modprobe.conf.5.gz |
| 16:40.40 | qwertz | patrikf, yes etch |
| 16:40.47 | valdyn | qwertz: that is a manpage |
| 16:40.55 | abrotman | qwertz: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 16:41.02 | jelly | a manpage for a nonexisting file, how quaint |
| 16:41.16 | valdyn | qwertz: create a file with an explicative name in /etc/modprobe.d/ and put in there what you wanted to put in modprobe.conf |
| 16:41.24 | abrotman | jelly: it's also the manpage for /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 16:41.40 | Seb | is there a way to define a key sequence to emulate a middle click in X ? That is, to paste whatever is in the X selection |
| 16:41.43 | funzl | hi all, i'm having a short question about cron: for scripts located in cron.weekly (for example), is there any possibility to tell cron when (day of week) to execute them? (lika a global cron-config-file) Or will they be executed randomly? |
| 16:42.01 | jelly | abrotman: um, thanks, I know |
| 16:42.02 | valdyn | funzl: that is in /etc/crontab |
| 16:42.03 | joltcan | funzl: No, but put them in cron.d/ instead |
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| 16:42.39 | joltcan | funzl: then you can specify * * * * tue,wed root command |
| 16:42.42 | valdyn | funzl: cron.d for scripts you want to run at "special" times |
| 16:42.46 | qwertz | @all: thanks will try it |
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| 16:42.54 | joltcan | funzl: man 5 crontab |
| 16:42.55 | valdyn | funzl: but dont just put scripts in there.. thats not how it works |
| 16:43.51 | funzl | valdyn: but? |
| 16:44.07 | funzl | use crontab as normal user? |
| 16:44.14 | valdyn | funzl: cron.weekly has shell scripts that are run by a weekly cron job |
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| 16:44.27 | valdyn | funzl: cron.d contains cronjobs, not shell scripts |
| 16:44.55 | valdyn | funzl: the cronjob that runs the scripts in cron.weekly is defined in /etc/crontab |
| 16:44.55 | funzl | i see |
| 16:45.08 | funzl | joltcan: valdyn: thx! |
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| 16:45.27 | valdyn | funzl: its much simpler for the admin if he does not have to check every single script for when its running |
| 16:45.43 | valdyn | funzl: as opposed to knowing weekly is well defined at a single line of text |
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| 16:53.16 | anddam | etch->lenny |
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| 17:04.03 | kakashi_ | dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work |
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| 17:04.07 | kakashi_ | what should i do? |
| 17:04.17 | Error4o4 | my debian vps bash came default with locale de_DE. when doing locale -a it just displayes various DE locales. How can I install english, currenlty all shell messages displayed in german :) |
| 17:04.26 | stew | kakashi_: be more specific. what command did you run? did you get an error? |
| 17:04.56 | kakashi_ | dpkg-reconfigure postfix ---> output: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 17:05.03 | stew | kakashi_: run it as root |
| 17:05.04 | kakashi_ | stew, ^^ |
| 17:05.07 | kakashi_ | ah! |
| 17:05.09 | kakashi_ | damn! |
| 17:05.18 | kakashi_ | sorry to disturb you all |
| 17:05.25 | stew | no problem |
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| 17:07.36 | Error4o4 | any idea how to set that locale to english? |
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| 17:08.42 | xoz | Error4o4: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:09.16 | Error4o4 | xoz: ok i'll try |
| 17:09.39 | StFS | hello. I'm running into some trouble upgrading from sarge to etch. I'm getting an error that /usr/bin/python doesn't exist and I've verified that it doesn't but the package supposed to have it is python-minimal which is installed. I want to reinstall it but I can't remove it because of dependency problems. How do I completely reinstall the package? |
| 17:11.22 | xoz | StFS: aptitude reinstall python-minimal |
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| 17:12.07 | StFS | xoz: well duh... I was stuck trying to figure this out using apt-get |
| 17:12.10 | jamon | StFS: if that doesn't work, aptitude download python-minimal && dpkg -i |
| 17:12.30 | StFS | looks like it's working :) |
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| 17:13.13 | dustybin | is there a way to show what dependencies a package has using debians website? i need to find out what dependencies 'zoneminder' has from unstable |
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| 17:13.30 | StFS | dustybin: packages.debian.org |
| 17:13.35 | StFS | dustybin: find the package and... |
| 17:14.03 | dustybin | StFS: all the red 'depends' from this list? |
| 17:14.04 | dustybin | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/zoneminder |
| 17:14.15 | StFS | dustybin: yup |
| 17:14.28 | dustybin | so if i install all those depends, and compile it myself |
| 17:14.30 | dustybin | it should work |
| 17:14.43 | StFS | dustybin: welll.... |
| 17:14.47 | StFS | dustybin: not quite... |
| 17:14.52 | dustybin | why not? |
| 17:15.06 | StFS | dustybin: you will probably need the -dev packages for at least some of those thingas |
| 17:15.12 | dustybin | oh ok |
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| 17:15.42 | StFS | dustybin: but it's hard (read, impossible) to say exactly which -dev packages you'll need |
| 17:16.08 | dustybin | ok frank |
| 17:16.17 | dustybin | i could do a build-dep |
| 17:16.20 | xoz | dustybin: try aptitude build-depends |
| 17:16.22 | dustybin | but i dont want to mix up anything |
| 17:16.32 | dustybin | im using testing |
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| 17:16.48 | dustybin | if i add the sid repos, then do a build-dep, it will create a *mess* |
| 17:18.06 | xoz | dustybin: you cannot find it in backports? |
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| 17:20.41 | abrotman | !ssb |
| 17:20.42 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 17:20.52 | dustybin | xoz: im running testing lenny, there are no backports |
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| 17:28.40 | sigmonsays | morning |
| 17:28.52 | sigmonsays | Is it possible to convert a proc's descriptor to a socket? |
| 17:28.52 | d3co | !ltsp |
| 17:28.53 | dpkg | i heard ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org, or http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP, or #ltsp on irc.freenode.net |
| 17:29.39 | sigmonsays | in a strace I see a proc waiting on descriptor 25, in /proc this looks like this: 25 -> pipe:[5734974871] |
| 17:29.43 | sigmonsays | can I convert this to an IP? |
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| 17:30.52 | jamon | sigmonsays: do you have a pid? why not just netstat or lsof? |
| 17:31.02 | roe_ | the debian version of pureftp doesn't seem to have a pureftp.conf |
| 17:31.03 | sigmonsays | jamon because I is harder to catch |
| 17:31.13 | roe_ | any ideas where I can set passive ftp to true? |
| 17:31.25 | jamon | sigmonsays: ah that makes sense |
| 17:32.19 | Hideme | which log would I see apache2 starting and stopping? |
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| 17:32.40 | sigmonsays | is that pipe in integer form? |
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| 17:32.54 | sigmonsays | 25 -> pipe:[5734974871] ====> happens to map to '85.212.197.151' |
| 17:32.59 | sigmonsays | Hrm |
| 17:33.08 | jamon | Hideme: /var/log/apache2/access.log or error.log for starters |
| 17:33.51 | jelly | sigmonsays: that number is larger than 0xffff ffff |
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| 17:34.47 | Elmnas | hi which dist will I use for intel quad 2? |
| 17:34.58 | Hideme | jamon I thought those logs were for when people access the site. |
| 17:35.11 | Hideme | I need to see when apache2 starts and stops |
| 17:35.44 | jelly | sigmonsays: what do you mean harder to catch, are you forgetting to use -n with netstat? |
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| 17:37.56 | adb | !tell Elmnas about i386 |
| 17:38.07 | jelly | Elmnas: either i386 or amd64 |
| 17:38.12 | Elmnas | umm ok |
| 17:38.25 | Elmnas | can you please link me |
| 17:38.29 | Elmnas | to the latest version |
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| 17:38.57 | \amethyst | sigmonsays: err, it's a pipe, why would it have an IP address? |
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| 17:40.02 | adb | Elmnas: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 17:40.10 | jelly | or even |
| 17:40.15 | jelly | !tell Elmnas -about netinst |
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| 17:42.25 | kladizkov | is there any application that can broadcast my desktop ( as a video ) to a remote user? |
| 17:42.48 | kladizkov | the user at the other end should be able to see my desktop real time :) |
| 17:43.04 | kladizkov | any way? |
| 17:43.55 | jelly | kladizkov: vnc? |
| 17:44.10 | oklinux | how do I remove hplips 2.8.10 ? |
| 17:44.41 | kladizkov | jelly, can vns do that? |
| 17:44.44 | kladizkov | vnc |
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| 17:45.10 | jelly | kladizkov: afaik yes, it can do view-only |
| 17:45.17 | sigmonsays | \amethyst, I thought that's how proc would show it |
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| 17:46.32 | \amethyst | sigmonsays: proc will show it as a socket, but the number isn't the encoded IP address |
| 17:46.56 | jelly | sigmonsays: lrwx------ 1 root root 64 2008-12-10 13:02 3 -> socket:[10627] # a socket |
| 17:47.08 | sigmonsays | ahh gotcha |
| 17:47.13 | sigmonsays | damn ;) |
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| 17:47.22 | \amethyst | sigmonsays: lsof -p PID will give you the IP and port. I guess you could read the lsof source to figure out how it gets that information |
| 17:47.23 | sigmonsays | no idea what the pipe is |
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| 17:51.16 | \amethyst | sigmonsays: aha, the number is just the inode number |
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| 17:53.37 | \amethyst | sigmonsays: to find the IP address associated with that, you need to parse /proc/net/tcp or /proc/net/udp (or /proc/net/raw etc) |
| 17:54.22 | jamon | sigmonsays: yeah for remote ip, awk '{print $3}' in /proc/net/tcp is what you're after |
| 17:54.42 | kenjy | I have the module visor loaded, I added a udev rule like this: SUBSYSTEM=="usb" , ATTRS{serial}=="PalmSN12345678", NAME="pilot", OWNER="kenjy", GROUP="plugdev", MODE="0660", and there it is: crw-rw----+ 1 kenjy plugdev 189, 514 dic 10 11:38 /dev/pilot but jpilot shows: pi_bind error: /dev/pilot Invalid argument |
| 17:54.53 | kenjy | can you help me? my palm don't sync |
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| 17:56.25 | sigmonsays | gotcha |
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| 17:56.37 | sigmonsays | thx a ton \amethyst and jamon |
| 17:56.48 | lunaphyte_ | looking at http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-openldap/openldap/trunk/debian/rules?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 - in which section would i find options passed to the source package's configure.sh script? |
| 17:57.21 | jamon | kenjy: http://www.pilot-link.org/ |
| 17:57.30 | jamon | kenjy: they have an irc server too iirc |
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| 17:58.02 | kenjy | jamon: tnks for nothing |
| 17:58.08 | jamon | kenjy: anytime |
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| 17:58.14 | Noiano | hello |
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| 17:59.01 | Noiano | I need to dump some random data from /dev/random and put them into a file...I don't know how to do... |
| 17:59.17 | sigmonsays | Noiano, some can be selected with dd |
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| 18:00.02 | Noiano | sigmonsays, yeah but I do not know the correct command to give....I'd like to dump X bytes of random data.... |
| 18:00.08 | Noiano | I am no expert :( |
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| 18:00.21 | sigmonsays | "man dd" can enlighten you. ask a more direct question |
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| 18:00.57 | Noiano | the direct question is " how to dump X random bytes from /dev/random and put them into a file"? |
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| 18:01.14 | jamon | Noiano: you'll need to specify a block size and count |
| 18:01.14 | stew | Noiano: do you really need /dev/random or is /dev/urandom ok? |
| 18:01.38 | Noiano | stew, aifak random gives more random data than urandom |
| 18:01.49 | jamon | if your block size is say 512 bytes, and you want 1kb, then you'd give a count of 2 etc. Noiano |
| 18:01.55 | stew | Noiano: yes, at the cost of being painfully slow |
| 18:02.05 | Noiano | stew, how painfully? |
| 18:02.25 | stew | Noiano: it depends on how many bytes you need and how many random events happen |
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| 18:03.00 | stew | Noiano: "dd if=/dev/urandom bs=x count=y" will give you x*y bytes of random data |
| 18:03.07 | jelly | Noiano: how much data do you need? what are you going to use it for? |
| 18:03.31 | Noiano | jelly, for a keyfile for a cryptographic volume |
| 18:03.48 | jelly | Noiano: and how much is that? |
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| 18:04.03 | Noiano | what? the keyfile? or the volume? |
| 18:04.18 | jelly | the amount of random bytes needed |
| 18:04.43 | jamon | Noiano: what's wrong with cryptsetup? |
| 18:04.44 | Noiano | jelly, let's say 64Kbytes |
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| 18:04.55 | zmitya | hi all |
| 18:05.01 | Noiano | jamon, does cryptsetup create keyfiles? |
| 18:05.10 | zmitya | guys, what should I do if "cat /dev/random" just waits ??? |
| 18:05.16 | jelly | Noiano: if you have a reasonably busy system /dev/random is going to chunk that out in minutes-hours time |
| 18:05.26 | zmitya | it has no entropy ? |
| 18:05.45 | jelly | zmitya: or something else is eating bits before your cat |
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| 18:06.14 | Noiano | jelly, I tried "dd if=/dev/random of=file bs=512 count=50" and after 105secs it gave me a 512b file...is that normal? |
| 18:06.25 | zmitya | jelly: I just want to create RSA key with "ipsec newhostkey" but it never finishes :( |
| 18:06.34 | jelly | Noiano: that's not a busy system. :-) |
| 18:06.42 | Noiano | mmm |
| 18:06.53 | jelly | Noiano: build a kernel! |
| 18:07.02 | jamon | Noiano: not sure, check cryptsetup with luks* options |
| 18:07.13 | Noiano | jamon, I will |
| 18:07.23 | stew | zmitya: you'll have to wait for more random events. you can generate some by moving your mouse, or sometimes with "find /" |
| 18:07.29 | Noiano | jelly, build a kernel?wow :) |
| 18:08.05 | Error4o4 | get an error when copying with *, any idea? cp: cannot stat `/etc/skel/*': No such file or directory |
| 18:08.10 | jelly | Noiano: yes. the process does lots of I/O, which is an entropy input |
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| 18:08.52 | Noiano | jelly I see |
| 18:08.54 | Noiano | thanks |
| 18:09.01 | stew | Error4o4: how are you trying to copy? in a shell/terminal? or with what program? |
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| 18:09.29 | jelly | Noiano: or get some bits from a free source on the interwebs |
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| 18:09.46 | Noiano | jelly, from where? |
| 18:09.58 | Error4o4 | stew: ssh; cp -r /etc/skel/* /home/username/ |
| 18:10.11 | zmitya | thankd |
| 18:10.18 | zmitya | doing find |
| 18:10.28 | jelly | Noiano: there's a number of services. Say, http://random.irb.hr/ |
| 18:10.46 | stew | Error4o4: are you doing this in an interactive ssh session? or "ssh user@remotehost cp -r /etc/shek/* /home/username/" ? |
| 18:10.49 | zmitya | jelly: yes, that is a workstation :) doing nothing currently |
| 18:11.02 | stew | Error4o4: is there some reason that you are copying these files instead of letting adduser copy them for you? |
| 18:11.21 | jelly | zmitya: so make it do something? |
| 18:11.27 | Noiano | jelly, ok |
| 18:11.43 | Error4o4 | stew: didnt use adduser, used useradd and copiing manually.. interactive ssh, working on a server |
| 18:12.07 | zmitya | jelly: find / is still running :) |
| 18:12.14 | stew | Error4o4: what does "echo /etc/skel/*" return? anything? does "ls /etc/skel/" show anything? |
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| 18:12.46 | \amethyst | there are no non-dotfiles in your /etc/skel |
| 18:12.57 | \amethyst | and the expansion of * doesn't include dotfiles |
| 18:13.10 | Error4o4 | stew: i have just 4 hidden files in there |
| 18:13.23 | stew | Error4o4: yeah, then what \amethyst said |
| 18:13.24 | \amethyst | if you're using bash, shopt -s dotglob first |
| 18:13.33 | \amethyst | that will make * include dotfiles but not . or .. |
| 18:13.38 | stew | Error4o4: is there a reason that you are using useradd instead of adduser? |
| 18:13.40 | jelly | zmitya: this Linux thing has an a-may-zing ability to be able to run multiple things at the same time! |
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| 18:14.21 | Error4o4 | stew: not really, just wanted to do everything by hand |
| 18:14.32 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: ok thx |
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| 18:16.34 | zmitya | jelly: thanks, I have my new key :) |
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| 18:17.53 | Error4o4 | is there any reason that copy doesnt copy dot-files by default ? |
| 18:18.20 | hamid_rostami | i want to install etch using netBoot from a local mirror, but it did not recognized my hard drive |
| 18:18.23 | abrotman | because they're hidden from the glob |
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| 18:18.41 | hamid_rostami | problem is local mirror because when i tried ftp://ftp.debian.org everything was OK |
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| 18:20.08 | \amethyst | Error4o4: it's not cp, it's the shell |
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| 18:21.50 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: thx shopt helped.. i set it back with -u |
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| 18:26.44 | DanDare | Hello. Someone used to Debian Etch and brooktree capture cards? Evidence is that module was wrong compiled in kernel 2.6.18 |
| 18:26.55 | DanDare | bttv.ko |
| 18:28.01 | DanDare | when i do 'modprobe bttv' system returns: "FATAL Error inserting bttv (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)" |
| 18:28.07 | DanDare | what this means ? |
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| 18:31.48 | sajes | I recently changed my partition layout and stuck my swap partition inside of a logical partition. It's now partition 5, but my system is still trying to use hda4 as a swap, even though I changed it to hda5 in fstab. Any ideas? "Read-error on swap-device (3:4:0)" is the error. |
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| 18:32.33 | sajes | This is while booting up, and it does swapon hda5 properly afterwards. |
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| 18:34.16 | Error4o4 | do you use the "users" group (GID 100) as default for new created users, or do you create a seperate group? |
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| 18:35.02 | \amethyst | Error4o4: I usually use a user group, make that their primary group, and put 'users' in their supplemental groups |
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| 18:35.09 | hoxu | Error4o4, see /etc/adduser.conf - USERGROUPS, USERS_GID |
| 18:35.10 | shifty | hi all |
| 18:36.06 | Error4o4 | hoxu: yea looking at it, just wondering how you guys usually do it, whether you create a primary group for each user or if you use "users" |
| 18:36.21 | shifty | i changed my motherboard and now my debian cant boot anymore (waiting for root device) after that i get to initramfs, what do i have to do to fix that ? (my harddisk isnt showed in /dev/) |
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| 18:36.40 | \amethyst | Error4o4: the advantage of user groups is that then you can make the default umask 002 instead of 022 |
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| 18:37.26 | eptalon | heyas |
| 18:37.29 | \amethyst | Error4o4: which makes shared setgid directories a little easier for your users to deal with (they don't have to change their umask) |
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| 18:39.26 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: one sec, have to go thorugh this in my head.. :) so basically you assign primary groups for users that is like their username which is default for adduser, and put "users" as their supplemental group.. one sec, let me think now about the umask sgid scenario :) |
| 18:39.50 | eptalon | If I want to hook an Opensolaris client to a Debian server, how do I tell the server to mount as a different user? |
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| 18:42.35 | hoxu | Error4o4, no, you add the users to only 'users' group, set umask to 002 and then it's all rainbows and pink ponies with setgid directories as \amethyst said |
| 18:43.00 | hoxu | Error4o4, uhh, nevermind, the other way around :P |
| 18:43.30 | hoxu | Error4o4, you had it right :} |
| 18:43.57 | Error4o4 | hoxu: hehe dont confuse me :) |
| 18:44.06 | hoxu | !confuse Error4o4 |
| 18:44.06 | dpkg | Yes, how is their hamster tomorrow, Error4o4? lederhosen of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
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| 18:45.54 | jamon | dpkg, pink ponies and rainbows scare me.. |
| 18:45.55 | dpkg | jamon: I give up, what is it? |
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| 18:46.05 | jamon | ducks |
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| 18:47.39 | Eulex | !pony jamon |
| 18:47.39 | dpkg | gives jamon a pony |
| 18:47.51 | jamon | noes! |
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| 18:48.58 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: sorry, so you usually create new groups for new users and put as their supplement group "users". Did i understand that correctly? :] |
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| 18:49.19 | \amethyst | Error4o4: yes |
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| 18:49.55 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: and you use 002 as the default umask for those users? |
| 18:51.55 | \amethyst | Error4o4: yes, with pam_umask |
| 18:53.54 | \amethyst | Error4o4: session optional pam_umask.so umask=0002 in /etc/pam.d/common-session |
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| 18:55.59 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: yea reading about it, its just taht i dont understand how that is related to the SGID bit liek funcionality |
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| 18:56.25 | \amethyst | Error4o4: it's not necessarily related, they just go well together |
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| 18:57.01 | kisielk | where do I find the files listed in this ticket: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=478452 ? |
| 18:57.10 | \amethyst | Error4o4: the idea is, if you want a directory that will be accessible to everyone in group 'foo', you can chgrp foo directory; chmod 2775 directory |
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| 18:57.16 | kisielk | I'd like to download the diff that's mentioned there in message 14 |
| 18:57.27 | \amethyst | Error4o4: then when someone creates a file in that directory it will belong to that group |
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| 18:57.36 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: yes |
| 18:57.50 | abrotman | kisielk: that's part of the package .. you can get the source package to get that |
| 18:57.51 | \amethyst | Error4o4: the problem is that, with the default umask of 022, files they create belong to the group but have mode 644 |
| 18:58.01 | \amethyst | Error4o4: meaning the group can't actually write to the file |
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| 18:58.34 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: ok i understand, and with user groups it doesnt matter when you have 002 as umask |
| 18:58.39 | \amethyst | Error4o4: right |
| 18:59.10 | \amethyst | Error4o4: that said, there are other solutions to the problem, involving ACLs (which aren't enabled by default) |
| 18:59.39 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: thx man. :) |
| 19:00.46 | kisielk | abrotman: do I just get it off the main FTP? or is it in some other area? |
| 19:00.57 | abrotman | kisielk: /msg dpkg source |
| 19:01.29 | kisielk | abrotman: no, I mean this package referenced in the ticket. Would it be uploaded to the main FTP? or some experimental site? or? |
| 19:01.54 | abrotman | kisielk: which version of debian are oyu using ? |
| 19:02.05 | abrotman | judd: versions pygtk |
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| 19:02.06 | judd | abrotman: pygtk -- |
| 19:02.13 | kisielk | abrotman: none, I just want to look at the diff :) |
| 19:02.14 | spaceninja | why is it impossible to find the testin iso? |
| 19:02.19 | spaceninja | testing |
| 19:02.21 | abrotman | judd: versions python-gtk2 |
| 19:02.22 | judd | abrotman: python-gtk2 -- etch: 2.8.6-8 lenny: 2.12.1-6 sid: 2.12.1-6 experimental: 2.13.0-2 |
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| 19:02.46 | abrotman | kisielk: it's in experimental .. see packages.debian.org |
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| 19:06.18 | jelly | spaceninja: because debian's web space isn't easy to use? /msg dpkg d-i devel |
| 19:07.09 | jelly | spaceninja: pick a daily build |
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| 19:08.13 | spaceninja | ok thanks |
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| 19:08.41 | jelly | www.debian.org could have a link to stable and devel netinsts. |
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| 19:09.05 | spaceninja | so, I heard flash has been released in 64 bit. Is it in testing? |
| 19:09.09 | spaceninja | ok |
| 19:09.42 | jelly | spaceninja: it is not (and won't be in lenny when it releases, either) |
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| 19:10.21 | spaceninja | ok |
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| 19:10.53 | jelly | spaceninja: I'm not using amd64 at the moment; however, Adobe's own .deb "for Ubuntu 8.04 and newer" seems to have worked on my testing/unstable i386 machine |
| 19:11.15 | Posterdati | hi |
| 19:11.44 | Posterdati | please I need help: I have to convert a jpg to tiff... Is there any progs for kde to do that? thanks |
| 19:12.06 | Eulex | Posterdati, convert from imagemagick |
| 19:12.08 | mimcpher | Posterdati, sure. The command line app "convert" is easiest to use in my opinion. |
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| 19:12.24 | Posterdati | mimcpher: no frontend? |
| 19:12.32 | spaceninja | oh ok |
| 19:12.43 | mimcpher | Posterdati, frontends are overrated. I'm sure a gui app exists. |
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| 19:13.12 | Eulex | Posterdati, xterm and bash are all the frontends you need ^^ |
| 19:13.39 | Eulex | that said, convert is not particularly hard to use |
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| 19:14.21 | Posterdati | Eulex: is not for me :) |
| 19:14.33 | \amethyst | Posterdati: you want to do a whole directory or just one file? |
| 19:14.47 | Posterdati | \\amethyst: one at time |
| 19:14.50 | \amethyst | Posterdati: convert filename.jpg filename.tiff |
| 19:14.56 | \amethyst | not hard at all :) |
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| 19:16.53 | rgr | can someone reocmmend a command line way to check if there are any unread imap mails on a remote host please |
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| 19:17.29 | nullboy | hey what was that ! factoid about building your own kernel under debian? |
| 19:17.37 | hoxu | !tell nullboy about make-kpkg |
| 19:17.46 | Error4o4 | do you usually enter the administrative user in the sudoers file and give him username ALL = ALL or do you use the root account for administrative tasks (web server) ? |
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| 19:17.50 | nullboy | thanks hoxu |
| 19:18.13 | anddam | I ran "aptitude upgrade" rather than "safe-upgrade", can it be harmful? |
| 19:18.19 | \amethyst | rgr: fetchmail -c |
| 19:18.22 | jamon | rgr: something simple like echo "mail" |ssh system |
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| 19:18.40 | nullboy | anddam: as far as i know it will be fine provided you haven't ripped out anything in an unsafe way |
| 19:18.53 | jamon | rgr: (or install fetchmail like \amethyst said ;) |
| 19:18.55 | leonardo | hi all, I use debian lenny 64 and My notebook is slower than WinXP. |
| 19:19.12 | leonardo | I think can be something related to graphic card |
| 19:19.24 | rgr | fetchmail can check imap? I dont want the mail fetched now. Just to poll availability. |
| 19:19.35 | \amethyst | rgr: yes, and that's what -c is for |
| 19:19.36 | rgr | will try |
| 19:19.37 | leonardo | anyone would like to see my xorg.conf? |
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| 19:19.41 | anddam | nullboy: I didn't rip anything |
| 19:19.45 | leonardo | to see if has any problem |
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| 19:19.53 | nullboy | anddam: it should be fine then |
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| 19:19.55 | fredl | hello |
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| 19:20.05 | Jewfro-Macabbi | leonardo, did you install nivida/or ati drivers? If not - that's the slowness |
| 19:20.18 | leonardo | it's intel |
| 19:20.30 | nullboy | anddam: if you have removed something parts or forced installation of other parts, safe upgrade would be the way to go |
| 19:20.43 | \amethyst | leonardo: what is slow exactly? |
| 19:20.56 | leonardo | iceweasel browser |
| 19:20.57 | Jewfro-Macabbi | leonardo, ah, I think they have open drivers, try searching the wiki page for info on your chipset and 3d |
| 19:21.04 | leonardo | related to firefox on winXP |
| 19:21.06 | fredl | can anybody tell me how I can use the digital audio output port of the snd-hda-intel? |
| 19:21.08 | \amethyst | leonardo: anything else or just iceweasel? |
| 19:21.15 | leonardo | google earth |
| 19:21.32 | leonardo | google earth very slow compared on winxp |
| 19:21.33 | Jewfro-Macabbi | leonardo, google earth in fact loads for you? |
| 19:21.40 | leonardo | yes |
| 19:21.43 | leonardo | why not? |
| 19:21.55 | Jewfro-Macabbi | leonardo, I think that means you DO have 3d acceleration already |
| 19:21.56 | leonardo | or why shoudn't |
| 19:22.04 | leonardo | ha ok |
| 19:22.31 | leonardo | what kind of information i could give to see if the problem can be found |
| 19:22.32 | anddam | nullboy: I ran safe-upgrade after upgrade |
| 19:22.43 | anddam | and now I'm going with full-upgrade |
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| 19:24.57 | leonardo | none? |
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| 19:25.34 | anddam | leonardo: the problem being? slow GoogleEarth? |
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| 19:25.50 | leonardo | yes too |
| 19:25.58 | leonardo | iceweasel too |
| 19:26.14 | Jewfro-Macabbi | leanardo - issue this: glxinfo |grep rendering |
| 19:26.25 | Jewfro-Macabbi | leanardo - direct rendering yes? |
| 19:26.29 | anddam | that won't affect iceweasel tho' |
| 19:26.49 | zinx | leonardo: using compiz or anything similar? |
| 19:26.53 | leonardo | direct rendering yes |
| 19:26.56 | leonardo | opengl |
| 19:26.59 | leonardo | no |
| 19:27.04 | leonardo | not using compiz |
| 19:27.18 | leonardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.18 | leonardo | direct rendering: Yes |
| 19:27.40 | leonardo | mesa 1.3 |
| 19:28.43 | fredl | can anybody tell me how I can use the digital audio output port of the snd-hda-intel? |
| 19:29.20 | anddam | leonardo: glxinfo | grep vendor ? |
| 19:29.31 | leonardo | 1 minute |
| 19:29.46 | anddam | weird vendor... |
| 19:29.51 | leonardo | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 19:29.52 | leonardo | client glx vendor string: SGI |
| 19:29.52 | leonardo | OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc |
| 19:30.48 | anddam | sounds fine |
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| 19:31.10 | leonardo | hum |
| 19:31.19 | leonardo | but it's not |
| 19:31.27 | anddam | how can you tell exactly? |
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| 19:31.49 | leonardo | i use winXP and debian lenny on same laptop |
| 19:31.55 | martin3z | hi everyone |
| 19:32.02 | leonardo | on win xp google earth works really fast |
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| 19:32.08 | leonardo | firefox too |
| 19:32.13 | anddam | but not the same app, maybe it's just bad coded |
| 19:32.18 | leonardo | on debian really slow |
| 19:32.19 | martin3z | i have question (i didn't find ans in google etc.) |
| 19:32.34 | leonardo | maybe so |
| 19:32.50 | leonardo | xorg.conf do not help? |
| 19:32.55 | martin3z | how to make child process, but connected not to his parent, but to parent of his parent.... |
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| 19:33.23 | anddam | martin3z: I'd say ##linux |
| 19:33.34 | martin3z | ok |
| 19:34.20 | anddam | leonardo: sure but as first step you have to underline what the problem actually is |
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| 19:34.53 | leonardo | i don't know what is the problem |
| 19:35.02 | leonardo | is just slow compared to winxp |
| 19:35.16 | leonardo | if is normal linux be slow than winxp |
| 19:35.22 | leonardo | i think has no problems |
| 19:35.32 | leonardo | but if was supposed to be faster |
| 19:35.43 | leonardo | for sure has any problem |
| 19:35.47 | trifler | Guys on a scale how "hard" is it to migrate from windows to linux when it comes to storage. Can you convert the fs or do you simply have to move the data around? |
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| 19:36.49 | nullboy | trifler: moving the data is the way |
| 19:37.02 | nullboy | as far as i know you can't convert fat or ntfs to ext |
| 19:37.04 | kisielk | trifler: depends on the filesystem, but generally you would want to migrate the data |
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| 19:37.37 | kisielk | trifler: if it's a FAT filesystem that you just use for media or something, you can probably leave it as FAT, but it's preferable to have a filesystem that has POSIX capabilities |
| 19:39.49 | trifler | roger |
| 19:39.55 | trifler | kisielk, nullboy: tu |
| 19:39.57 | trifler | kisielk, nullboy: ty* |
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| 19:45.46 | leonardo | no more questions, opinions? will disconnect |
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| 19:47.31 | Clonik | I'm building gtk+-2.14.0 from source. It fails with "undefined reference to 'cairo_format_stride_for_width'". What is wrong? |
| 19:47.43 | valdyn | leonardo: google earth is slow on linux, yes. |
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| 19:47.57 | MadChopr | what debian should i get for x86_64? |
| 19:48.01 | abrotman | amd64 |
| 19:48.03 | MadChopr | thanks |
| 19:48.05 | klync_ | Clonik: just a guess - wrong version of cairo? |
| 19:48.10 | leonardo | ok |
| 19:48.11 | valdyn | MadChopr: depends on your ram |
| 19:48.18 | abrotman | Clonik: you're building it on etch ? |
| 19:48.21 | MadChopr | valdyn: i have 2gb of ram, i plan on having more later |
| 19:48.46 | Clonik | may be so. It is 1.8.4, from source as well |
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| 19:49.43 | Clonik | abortman: i'm building on fluxbuntu. fresh. |
| 19:49.47 | RPAngelov | Does anybody can help me?I have one problem.I forgot one command-it updates all your software and dekstop.What was it? |
| 19:49.52 | \amethyst | Clonik: why are you asking here then? |
| 19:50.05 | ComradeHaz | hello all. Gonna spam a few associated channels this one: Anybody working with any large networks having any weird DHCP issues today/yesterday? We think we may have 'caught' something :S |
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| 19:50.28 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 19:50.29 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES SARS! |
| 19:50.55 | Clonik | \amethyst: fluxbuntu is based on debian, yeah. |
| 19:51.08 | \amethyst | Clonik: you know there's an #ubuntu, right? |
| 19:51.16 | valdyn | one *buntu per wm? how silly is that? |
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| 19:51.41 | anddam | CompWizrd: Watcha Talkin 'bout Willis? |
| 19:51.42 | nullboy | can anyone point me in the right direction here; 'aptitude search make-kpkg' returns nothing |
| 19:51.46 | klync_ | valdyn: considering most of the questions start with "where is the button for...", not very |
| 19:51.49 | Eulex | migrates to wmiibuntu |
| 19:51.52 | anddam | nullboy: apt-cache search |
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| 19:52.16 | valdyn | nullboy: that is the wrong search method, because that make-kpkg is a file |
| 19:52.18 | RPAngelov | Which comand i have to use to get a update for my software and Gnome? |
| 19:52.21 | Clonik | \amethyst: i do know about it, that's right |
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| 19:52.33 | valdyn | nullboy: it does not need to be in the package description |
| 19:52.44 | valdyn | nullboy: -> use apt-file |
| 19:52.59 | nullboy | valdyn: is there a way to do such a granular search with aptitude? |
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| 19:53.07 | valdyn | nullboy: i wouldnt know |
| 19:53.30 | valdyn | !tell nullboy -about kp mantra |
| 19:53.52 | \amethyst | Clonik: anyway, you might have more luck using or building the packages from experimenta; cairo 1.8.4 and gtk+ 2.14.5 are there |
| 19:53.58 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:54.01 | nullboy | valdyn: i understand the kp mantra as i have already asked dpkg about that. i don't have make-kpkg |
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| 19:54.12 | hoxu | nullboy, install kernel-package |
| 19:54.34 | nullboy | hoxu: even though i have already installed the sources, headers and all that? |
| 19:54.35 | valdyn | !kp mantra |
| 19:54.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 19:54.39 | valdyn | ah, i see |
| 19:54.41 | nullboy | valdyn: please, stop it |
| 19:54.47 | nullboy | valdyn: i have read all of that |
| 19:54.49 | valdyn | thought the package name was mentioned there |
| 19:54.52 | valdyn | nullboy: but i havent |
| 19:54.54 | RPAngelov | Does anybody have 2 minutes for me ? :/ |
| 19:55.03 | anddam | alas, upgrading done |
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| 19:55.09 | rgr | dumb I know but I cant see how to specify which IMAP acount fetchmail -c should look at when connecting via ssh to a remote IMAP server. Can anyone help? |
| 19:55.14 | valdyn | !tell RPAngelov -about justask |
| 19:55.27 | RPAngelov | valdyn: |
| 19:55.47 | RPAngelov | Which comand i have to use to get update for kernel,gnome and all my software? |
| 19:55.52 | RPAngelov | It was 1 comand,but i forgot it |
| 19:56.08 | valdyn | RPAngelov: apt-get update && apt-get safe-upgrade |
| 19:56.08 | RPAngelov | for kde was something like .... apt-get update kde-base |
| 19:56.10 | hdkiller | RPAngelov: atp-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:56.21 | RPAngelov | no |
| 19:56.25 | valdyn | RPAngelov: or aptitude instaed of apt-get |
| 19:56.33 | RPAngelov | apt-get |
| 19:56.34 | valdyn | RPAngelov: no it wasnt something like that |
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| 19:56.55 | RPAngelov | was something other,but i forgot it |
| 19:56.58 | valdyn | RPAngelov: its not trivial to update just components |
| 19:57.07 | RPAngelov | it updates all gnome |
| 19:57.13 | RPAngelov | software |
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| 19:57.16 | valdyn | RPAngelov: but you can play with "apt-get install kde", which will upgrade at least the kde package |
| 19:57.25 | anddam | RPAngelov: safe-upgrade |
| 19:57.32 | RPAngelov | ahm |
| 19:57.36 | RPAngelov | but... |
| 19:57.39 | RPAngelov | i have one stupid problem |
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| 19:57.44 | RPAngelov | when i play games |
| 19:57.44 | klync | rgr: i'm using fetchmail, but not over ssh ... i have this: |
| 19:57.45 | eptalon | hello there |
| 19:57.48 | klync | poll %IMAP_SERVER% with proto IMAP user '%USERNAME%' there with password '%PASSWD%' is '%LOCAL_MAILBOX%' here; |
| 19:57.49 | RPAngelov | i can't use ALT+TAB |
| 19:57.50 | valdyn | !tell RPAngelov -about enter |
| 19:57.50 | RPAngelov | on gnome |
| 19:57.54 | valdyn | !teell RPAngelov -about ask |
| 19:58.00 | eptalon | Is the new amarok 2 packaged yet? |
| 19:58.06 | valdyn | !tell RPAngelov -about ask |
| 19:58.15 | anddam | RPAngelov: is the key physically locked? |
| 19:58.20 | anddam | are* |
| 19:58.24 | RPAngelov | no |
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| 19:58.49 | anddam | and that's already a good thing |
| 19:58.52 | hoxu | RPAngelov, use a separate X for games |
| 19:59.18 | anddam | hoxu: can you explain further? |
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| 19:59.36 | hoxu | Switch User -> Start new session in KDE |
| 19:59.50 | hoxu | then switch back with ctrl-alt-f7 or where ever your primary X is |
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| 20:00.57 | valdyn | RPAngelov: you have several virtual desktops already |
| 20:01.22 | valdyn | RPAngelov: you can put a fullscreen game on one, and windows programs on another |
| 20:01.43 | anddam | oh now I read it, he can't use alt-tab _while in game_... |
| 20:01.53 | RPAngelov | But when i go from 2 desctop to 1 of from 1 to 2 the game's windows just comes |
| 20:01.55 | valdyn | RPAngelov: and use ctrl-alt-left / ctrl-alt-right to switch desktops and alt-tab just on desktops w/ no fullscreen game/app |
| 20:02.25 | valdyn | RPAngelov: which game? |
| 20:02.56 | RPAngelov | Counter Strike |
| 20:03.19 | \amethyst | usually fullscreen games capture all input, so you don't switch windows if you (for example) look at the map while squatting (or whatever Tab and Alt do) |
| 20:03.19 | valdyn | RPAngelov: in wine? |
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| 20:03.38 | RPAngelov | valdyn: yes |
| 20:03.41 | valdyn | RPAngelov: wine works much cleaner if it forces fullscreen games into windows |
| 20:04.01 | valdyn | RPAngelov: we cant fix how wine treats fullscreen unfortunately |
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| 20:04.23 | RPAngelov | ahm |
| 20:04.33 | valdyn | RPAngelov: so set wine to use a window or cope with how wine sucks |
| 20:05.19 | valdyn | RPAngelov: and - you can make a windowed cs look like fullscreen if you just move the window to the center properly |
| 20:05.35 | valdyn | RPAngelov: provided the resolution fits |
| 20:05.36 | RPAngelov | ok.thanks :) |
| 20:05.39 | RPAngelov | i w'll try it |
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| 20:09.24 | fixUp | Does anyone know the package to install the "Fixed" fonts 7x13 etc. ? |
| 20:09.34 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 20:09.35 | dpkg | i guess fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 20:11.50 | fixUp | dpkg: They appear in xterm fine, but I can't use it in gvim |
| 20:11.50 | dpkg | fixUp: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 20:13.19 | fixUp | dpkg: xfonts-base appears to be installed fine, perhaps its a gnome issue |
| 20:13.20 | dpkg | fixUp: You are moron #22 |
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| 20:13.46 | \amethyst | fixUp: that's because the GTK+ version of vim doesn't use X fonts, but rather Xft |
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| 20:14.06 | \amethyst | or pango or whatever |
| 20:14.41 | varlon | hi, I hear, that Amarok 2.0 was released. Any one know where can I download deb for Lenny? |
| 20:15.37 | \amethyst | varlon: it's not even in unstable yet |
| 20:15.43 | \amethyst | varlon: it is in experimental |
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| 20:16.10 | timschmitz | hey there |
| 20:16.15 | varlon | _yet_? |
| 20:16.35 | \amethyst | varlon: but it requires the experimental kdelibs5 etc |
| 20:16.46 | varlon | oh... |
| 20:16.51 | varlon | ok, thanks |
| 20:17.13 | \amethyst | varlon: presumably it will make it into unstable eventually, but maybe not into Lenny |
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| 20:18.38 | varlon | I hope, that someone build deb for Lenny. If it not happend, I will build or install experimental :-) |
| 20:18.43 | \amethyst | even the build-dependencies can't be satisfied in unstable yet (build-depends kdelibs5 >= 4:4.1.1 ) |
| 20:18.48 | zibri | \amethyst: but testing... i.e squeeze |
| 20:19.14 | abrotman | squeeze doesn't exist yet |
| 20:19.37 | pzn | Hi, my server is "having some pauses" of 2 seconds... everybody is using, then it "hangs" for a while and then continues normally. this occours with a centain frequency (random, about twice a minute). it is an ltsp server. any hint about where can I start? load avg is around 0.5 |
| 20:19.47 | zibri | no. but that's where amarok will be |
| 20:19.53 | \amethyst | zibri: but it has to get into unstable first |
| 20:19.53 | abrotman | maybe |
| 20:19.59 | zibri | indeed.. nvm :) |
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| 20:20.22 | pzn | about my previous post: it is debian etch amd64 |
| 20:20.55 | \amethyst | pzn: you might watch vmstat 1 and see if there is a big burst of activity when the pauses happen |
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| 20:21.01 | zibri | just meant that since varlon was using lenny ?he was probably using /testing/... |
| 20:21.12 | zibri | *would continue use |
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| 20:21.35 | rgr | klync: thanks |
| 20:21.41 | abrotman | hopefully he would not track testing |
| 20:21.53 | \amethyst | pzn: also, can you tell if it's the network or everything? |
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| 20:22.13 | zibri | abrotman: how do you mean? |
| 20:22.19 | pzn | \amethyst: it is not the network. the hangs occour if I'm in local terminal too. |
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| 20:22.35 | abrotman | i said exactly what i meant |
| 20:22.43 | klync | rgr: :) |
| 20:22.46 | zibri | argh.. |
| 20:23.06 | pzn | \amethyst: memory is free, total 4Gb, free 500mb, cached 2GB, swap 0 |
| 20:23.06 | varlon | zibri, what you mean, when talk about different "Lenny" and "/testing/"? |
| 20:23.07 | \amethyst | zibri: because testing is very often broken for some time after a new release |
| 20:23.31 | pzn | \amethyst: about "vmstat 1", I got your point... in which field should I expect "bursts"? |
| 20:23.38 | varlon | I think that Lenny is a testing now, is it not? |
| 20:23.39 | \amethyst | pzn: I was thinking the --swap-- and --io-- columns |
| 20:23.51 | \amethyst | varlon: it's a question of which you have in your sources.list |
| 20:23.55 | zibri | \amethyst: ok.. |
| 20:24.03 | \amethyst | varlon: if you have lenny then you will continue using lenny after it is released |
| 20:24.21 | \amethyst | varlon: if you have testing then after lenny is released you will be getting your packages from squeeze |
| 20:24.25 | rgr | klync: but I dont see how that selectrs which mailbox |
| 20:24.27 | pzn | \amethyst: ok. I'll look in "io", since swap is never used. the machine is up for a month and swap is "0" |
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| 20:24.35 | varlon | oh, understood :-) |
| 20:24.38 | varlon | thanks ) |
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| 20:24.54 | zibri | \amethyst: i wasn't refering to explicit tracking (as in source.list). i just meant a desktop probably want to use testing. nvm :) |
| 20:24.55 | pzn | \amethyst: will an upgrade from 2.6.18(etch) to 2.6.24(etchnhalf) help to improve something? |
| 20:25.22 | \amethyst | pzn: only if the problem is kernel-related |
| 20:25.27 | klync | rgr: do you mean a specific folder within a mailbox? b/c that I don't know |
| 20:25.52 | rgr | klync: no. I mean a specific mailbox. |
| 20:26.06 | rgr | e.g I have default, inbox, other etc. All are valid maildirs |
| 20:26.06 | pzn | \amethyst: I'll try to upgrade kernel... if it is an "io" problem with disk, maybe newer kernel can manage disk io or trhouput better. |
| 20:26.48 | klync | rgr: oh, a difference of semantics... i would call those folders within the mailbox... idunno how to specify |
| 20:26.53 | \amethyst | pzn: possibly |
| 20:28.23 | rgr | klync: can you explain the "is" bit to me? What is this "local" moailbox? |
| 20:28.26 | pzn | \amethyst: thanks for the hints, rebooting with newer kernel :-) tomorrow I'll run "vmstat 1" when everyone is working to see the outputs! |
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| 20:30.52 | klync | rgr: in my fetchmail setup (as a daemon - the file i excerpted is /etc/fetchmailrc), mail is taken from %IMAP_SERVER% by logging into the mailbox %USERNAME%; it is then passed to local delivery (i never looked into this in detail - does it connect to localhost:25, invoke sendmail, etc. ??) and delivered to user@domain specified by %LOCAL_MAILBOX% the same way any delivery would happen |
| 20:31.36 | rgr | klync: Oh I see. No all I want to do is a fetchmail -c over an IMAP connection. |
| 20:31.43 | rgr | I hane no local maildir to deliver to. |
| 20:31.44 | klync | rgr: iirc, the man page was very helpful in setting this up for me - i haven't touched it in years |
| 20:31.47 | rgr | s/hane/have |
| 20:32.19 | varlon | \amethyst and zibri, thanks for your answers :-) |
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| 20:35.41 | shams | where can i find a good gedit color scheme for php developing? |
| 20:36.08 | micols | i need socket.h for linking, any idea how to install it? |
| 20:36.27 | micols | i cannot locate it in /usr nor find it in apt as libsocket.. |
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| 20:36.54 | \amethyst | micols: socket.h and not sys/socket.h ? |
| 20:37.02 | micols | just need to link -lsocket |
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| 20:37.12 | micols | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsocket |
| 20:37.12 | micols | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:37.19 | \amethyst | micols: what are you building? |
| 20:37.28 | micols | a C program of mine, with mysql |
| 20:37.34 | \amethyst | micols: in Linux you don't need any extra libraries to get the BSD socket functions |
| 20:37.48 | micols | Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 0 |
| 20:37.52 | micols | i get this if i dont like with -lsocket |
| 20:37.58 | micols | perhaps its just a coincidence :) |
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| 20:37.59 | \amethyst | or is libsocket supposed to be something else? |
| 20:38.12 | \amethyst | error 0 ? |
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| 20:38.32 | \amethyst | error 0 is success |
| 20:38.41 | Aggro | micols: Why are you not using the MySQL libraries for that purpose? |
| 20:38.49 | micols | Aggro: i am |
| 20:38.56 | IpNextGen | Q. where can i find the parameters used with configure for building a package ( i.e. ./configure --prefix=/usr --with=blabla ) ? |
| 20:39.06 | Aggro | micols: So the libraries require the socket.h? |
| 20:39.30 | dutchfish | IpNextGen, in the make file? |
| 20:39.46 | micols | Aggro: they require -lsocket i read |
| 20:39.48 | IpNextGen | dutchfish, of the package? is it in the .deb? |
| 20:39.48 | \amethyst | IpNextGen: debian/rules perhaps? |
| 20:39.55 | dutchfish | IpNextGen, sure |
| 20:39.59 | micols | but perhaps its only if you use local sql |
| 20:40.06 | IpNextGen | \amethyst, oh ! okay |
| 20:40.09 | micols | it seems to connect fine |
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| 20:40.31 | \amethyst | micols: you should be getting the list of libraries with mysql_config --libs |
| 20:40.44 | \amethyst | micols: here that prints just -rdynamic -L/usr/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient |
| 20:40.49 | \amethyst | no -lsocket at all |
| 20:40.52 | micols | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(3306), sin_addr=inet_addr("81.161.190.83")}, 16) = 0, fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 3), ...}) = 0 |
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| 20:40.57 | rgr | tuxcrafter: how would I check if a certain dir was empty from a commandline then over ssh? |
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| 20:41.10 | micols | write(1, "Lost connection to MySQL server "..., 91Lost connection to MySQL server at 're.. |
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| 20:41.44 | micols | if i issue a wrong user and pass it does complain so it gets to the stage with user/host verification |
| 20:41.57 | \amethyst | micols: is this message from your program or from libmysqlclient ? |
| 20:42.04 | \amethyst | micols: the "lost connection" message |
| 20:42.09 | micols | \amethyst: my program and i liked just like you wrote there |
| 20:42.14 | tuxcrafter | rgr: just use a test -f * or something like that? |
| 20:42.14 | micols | linked* |
| 20:42.25 | \amethyst | micols: so under what circumstances does your program print that message? |
| 20:42.30 | tuxcrafter | rgr: lots of ways to check |
| 20:42.46 | micols | \amethyst: "select * from tablename;" |
| 20:42.51 | rgr | one would do. But I would like the number of files in a remote ssh dir would be best |
| 20:43.02 | micols | even remembered the ; :) |
| 20:43.04 | tuxcrafter | rgr: wc |
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| 20:43.18 | micols | sorry, didnt use ; |
| 20:43.27 | micols | and shouldn't , only in the cli :) |
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| 20:43.44 | \amethyst | micols: No, I mean in the code... what condition triggers that error message? |
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| 20:45.54 | tuxcrafter | got to go |
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| 20:46.58 | micols | its rather beautiful, it even searches my domain name for the domain and then translates into ip automagically :) |
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| 20:47.44 | micols | http://nopaste.com/p/a4USju7pX |
| 20:47.51 | micols | thats the last part of it. |
| 20:48.09 | rgr | tuxcrafter: ssh hermes "wc -l ~/Maildir/new/" |
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| 20:48.23 | \amethyst | micols: so that looks like it tries to do a bunch of stuff, all of which works, then it shuts down the connection and says the connection was lost |
| 20:48.25 | rgr | does the job but gives error msg if new is empty. How can I sppress that? Nothing in man for it |
| 20:48.27 | simonrvn | micols: yeh, it's called dns |
| 20:48.33 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 20:49.02 | micols | simonrvn: didnt know it would be this easy in C, i was unsure if i could use hostnames in sql connections :) |
| 20:49.16 | micols | but it isnt, it isnt working , yet :) |
| 20:49.58 | simonrvn | you can, but i prefer using ips, you don't have the dns traffic in addition to the sql traffic |
| 20:50.00 | micols | it seems to get a zeropacket back from my mysqlserver is this true? |
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| 20:50.47 | klync | rgr: if you want to go that route, there is a bash test for whether a file is empty. you could do , eg "test -z ~/Maildir/new || echo 'new mail'" |
| 20:50.52 | \amethyst | micols: read is returning no data |
| 20:51.08 | klync | or something like that |
| 20:51.11 | rgr | klync: great thanks! Was just trying "find" too. |
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| 20:51.18 | micols | weird, it should return quite a few rows, tested in the cli |
| 20:51.43 | micols | ill add NULL checking on res in my code now :P |
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| 20:51.57 | micols | it only did while on it, not printf if 0. |
| 20:52.27 | rgr | klync: yeah. It doesnt work. I'll lok up test. |
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| 20:53.25 | \amethyst | micols: is FD 3 in non-blocking mode by any chance? |
| 20:54.13 | micols | how do i check that? |
| 20:54.38 | micols | checking mysql_fetch_result(res) == NULL didnt return anything, so there seems to be results somehow. |
| 20:54.51 | micols | or it fails before that :) |
| 20:57.47 | klync | rgr: "-s" == "file is not zero size" as per abs guide |
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| 20:58.28 | klync | rgr: for fname in `ls ~/Maildir` ; do test -s $fname && echo "new mail in $fname" ; done |
| 20:58.30 | rgr | klync: sorry, you lost me. abs? |
| 20:58.46 | klync | http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/fto.html |
| 20:58.56 | rgr | the #bash guys just threatened to cut my bits off if I did an "ls" ... |
| 20:59.27 | klync | haha, yeah, they're like that... i'm sure they could optimize what i just wrote in 20 different ways |
| 20:59.58 | rgr | And I'm still no nearer getting an answer that works :-( |
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| 21:00.14 | rgr | would you suggest that for loop as a remote command script? |
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| 21:00.38 | klync | rgr: you could put all that in your ssh command (quoted) ... should work afaict |
| 21:00.44 | micols | \amethyst: i am almost sure i need -lsocket now |
| 21:00.58 | micols | it halts at mysql_real_connect, which fails |
| 21:00.58 | \amethyst | micols: then you're out of luck on Debian |
| 21:01.06 | \amethyst | micols: there is no such library in Debian |
| 21:01.09 | klync | rgr: assuming an empty file means "no new mail" |
| 21:01.12 | micols | it only succeeds mysql_init(); |
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| 21:01.21 | micols | \amethyst: hm |
| 21:01.27 | rgr | klync: No. An empty directory means no new mail. |
| 21:01.33 | micols | \amethyst: better download it mysqlf and use -L then |
| 21:01.48 | \amethyst | yeah, good luck with that |
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| 21:03.19 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 21:03.24 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here familiar with mutt? |
| 21:03.38 | HardDisk_WP | i want to clone my old IMAP repo to gmail |
| 21:03.56 | HardDisk_WP | every folder should be renamed like "xy.de.subfolder.folder" |
| 21:03.57 | micols | you could always use fetchmail nokeep :) |
| 21:03.58 | petemc | imapsync works well |
| 21:04.03 | micols | and then bounce all messages to yourself :P |
| 21:04.14 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, I tried to understand the manpage, and I failed^^ |
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| 21:04.49 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: its basically imapsync sourcecredentials destainationcredentials |
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| 21:05.19 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, oh, lol. don't tell me it's THAT easy. |
| 21:05.33 | petemc | pretty much |
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| 21:05.40 | petemc | thats standard faire |
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| 21:06.07 | simonrvn | fare, unless you lan yo party with it ;P |
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| 21:06.15 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:06.26 | simonrvn | <- one-hand typing sucketh |
| 21:06.26 | petemc | :) |
| 21:06.47 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, how much failsafe is imapsync? can I have it check for successful copy of each mail? |
| 21:06.57 | HardDisk_WP | thunderbird and kmail each lost ~10 of 1000 emails |
| 21:07.28 | HardDisk_WP | and what about the renaming stuff? |
| 21:07.33 | simonrvn | uses mutt and gmail and doesn't bother syncing them |
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| 21:10.47 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: not sure, ive used it to migrate servers in the past, no problems |
| 21:10.54 | unkmar | brb with a fai question. Fully Automatic Install. I know almost nothing about it. |
| 21:11.54 | rgr | klync: that script didnt work either echoed new mail regardless of whether there was any. But thanks for the efforts - appreciated. It seems knowing how many files i a dir is also totally impossible in bash .... |
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| 21:12.46 | klync | rgr: find $dir -maxdepth 1 -type f | wc -l |
| 21:13.24 | simonrvn | migrating, i would certainly do syncing ;). PITA to sync say courier -> cyrus, or vice-versa |
| 21:13.24 | rgr | klync: find Maildir/new -maxdepth 1 -type f -print | wc -l |
| 21:13.30 | rgr | just found it on web too! cheers. |
| 21:13.39 | klync | :) |
| 21:14.07 | klync | rgr: if only i understood what you were doing in the first place (haven't userd maildirs), would've saved you an hour! |
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| 21:14.36 | petemc | rgr: isnt the 'checking mail in mailboxes' problem long solved? |
| 21:14.43 | klync | lol |
| 21:14.54 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.54 | rgr | petemc: depends on the question I suppose. |
| 21:14.58 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 21:15.00 | simonrvn | damn |
| 21:15.04 | unkmar | My intent is to setup a FAI, Fully Automatic Install, for Ubuntu on a USB device. |
| 21:15.12 | unkmar | a USB drive. |
| 21:15.20 | simonrvn | unkmar: ask #ubuntu |
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| 21:15.47 | rgr | In this case its imap using ssh auth and I want to integrate it with a text based status bar, xmobar, on the xmonad WM. So if you had an answer a shame i didnt spot it earlier :-; |
| 21:16.07 | keith4 | wow. an ubuntu user who didn't whine "but it's the same as debian" |
| 21:16.20 | petemc | imap using ssh auth? |
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| 21:16.40 | petemc | so, not imap ? |
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| 21:16.45 | rgr | petemc: typo. Sorry. I have an imap server delivering the email but its in maildir on the server. |
| 21:16.53 | simonrvn | keith4: rather pleasant to see ;) |
| 21:17.09 | keith4 | indeed |
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| 21:17.40 | petemc | rgr: tried logging in and using something like biff ? |
| 21:17.50 | rgr | (my email client uses imap to fetch from dovecot but I needed an easy to integrate way to tell if tehre was new mail in the maildir. If theres a better command line pleas tell me as I got a blank when I asked before. |
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| 21:18.24 | rgr | I use gnubiff with gnome-panel. This is a text based written in haskell status bar I want to flag if new mail is there. |
| 21:18.58 | petemc | why cant it use imap type methods? |
| 21:19.12 | \amethyst | fetchmail -c apparently doesn't work |
| 21:19.38 | rgr | I daresay it can. if you know haskell and all the libraries. it seemed easier to to write a small bit of bash script. |
| 21:19.54 | rgr | \amethyst: I could not get it to work naming a specific maildir. |
| 21:20.46 | petemc | does haskell have system() ? |
| 21:20.52 | petemc | in which case, use mutt ? |
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| 21:22.38 | \amethyst | rgr: you have multiple maildirs per account? |
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| 21:23.50 | rgr | yes. Sorted using procmail. |
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| 21:25.57 | HardDisk_WP | heh petemc imapsync seems like its kinda cool |
| 21:26.00 | \amethyst | rgr: how does the IMAP server know which to use? |
| 21:26.43 | rgr | because you tell it which mailbox to use. see gnubiff for example. |
| 21:26.59 | rgr | and thats what i could not figure out to configure using fetchmail -c. |
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| 21:27.08 | rgr | ssh hermes " find Maildir/new -maxdepth 1 -type f -print | wc -l" is the solution for me. |
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| 21:27.39 | unkmar | I'm back.... |
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| 21:27.46 | petemc | dovecots doesnt keep index files in individual mailboxes? |
| 21:27.51 | petemc | s/ts/t/ |
| 21:27.55 | unkmar | anyone here have experience with fai? |
| 21:28.15 | rgr | No idea. but the new subdirs are not empty if there is new mail. |
| 21:28.19 | maestro4 | hello, why all new packages are held back in experimental? |
| 21:28.41 | maestro4 | like: kde, dovecot.. |
| 21:28.58 | Guerin | maestro4: because of the reason. |
| 21:29.12 | Aggro | maestro4: Package uploaded can decide should package go to unstable or experimental |
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| 21:29.27 | \amethyst | row: oh, so an IMAP folder. fetchmail -r perhaps? |
| 21:29.32 | Guerin | maestro4: It may be to do with the impending release of lenny, but there's no set protocol for when things drop into unstable. It's maintainer discretion. |
| 21:30.51 | maestro4 | Ok. dovecot version 1.1.2-3 entered on 14 aug in experimental.. shouldn't these packages go to unstable after some days or weeks.. its already about 6 months.. |
| 21:31.41 | maestro4 | Guerin: i thought only lenny is froozen.. but unstable should be updated continuously .. right? |
| 21:31.48 | HardDisk_WP | can someone please help me with imapsync? The regexes do not work: http://pastebin.com/m2e3975a1 |
| 21:31.58 | maestro4 | . |
| 21:31.58 | maestro4 | <maestro4> Guerin: i thought only lenny is froozen.. but unstable should be updated continuously .. right? |
| 21:31.59 | maestro4 | <HardDisk_WP> can someone please help me with |
| 21:31.59 | maestro4 | . |
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| 21:32.59 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, still online? |
| 21:33.44 | unkmar | runs away |
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| 21:34.09 | Guerin | maestro4: yes, but the same maintainers work on both and they're not machines - so some things get prioritised. |
| 21:34.25 | \amethyst | !freeze |
| 21:34.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, freeze is when we put the testing version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable'. During the freeze period, there are fewer updates to unstable too, in order to make the stablisation process easier. |
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| 21:34.43 | \amethyst | maestro4: if, say, dovecot 1.1 goes into unstable now, then lenny will be stuck with its current version, with no possibility of bug fixes (other than migrating to 1.1) |
| 21:34.46 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: yo |
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| 21:35.21 | maestro4 | \amethyst: ok .. got it.. to get lenny released .. unstable should be stay clean.. |
| 21:35.43 | Aggro | maestro4: No |
| 21:36.03 | Aggro | maestro4: experimental -> unstable -> testing -> stable |
| 21:36.06 | Aggro | maestro4: testing is frozen |
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| 21:36.14 | Aggro | maestro4: You can use experimental and unstable freely |
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| 21:36.33 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, http://pastebin.com/m21be38d6 => somehow the regexes dont work :( |
| 21:36.38 | HardDisk_WP | can you help me with this one? |
| 21:36.56 | maestro4 | Aggro: yes. using already unstable.. but packages are not coming fast enough to unstable.. because of freeze of lenny.. |
| 21:37.21 | Guerin | so be patient |
| 21:37.22 | Aggro | maestro4: Here is a list of packages, some go to experimental, some go to unstable: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 21:37.23 | maestro4 | Aggro: new packages are only uploaded to experimental.. |
| 21:37.52 | \amethyst | no, new packages or new versions often go straight to unstable |
| 21:38.28 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: do you need to tell it about folder prefixes etc ? |
| 21:38.53 | simonrvn | experimental isn't complete... it's a staging area for stuff that can't / won't go into unstable, also for alpha-quality packaging |
| 21:38.54 | maestro4 | \amethyst: yes .. but new versions of dovecot or kde doesn't entered unstable yet.. |
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| 21:39.14 | simonrvn | maestro4: yes. be patient. |
| 21:39.19 | Aggro | maestro4: Because the package maintainer doesn't want it to go there |
| 21:39.25 | \amethyst | maestro4: because the maintainers haven't submitted them to unstable |
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| 21:39.37 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: shouldnt the imapd know about these things? its not like rsyncing folders? |
| 21:39.41 | Guerin | maestro4: so either suck it up and wait or use experimental and don't cry to us about the breakage. |
| 21:40.03 | HardDisk_WP | From Folder [INBOX.Trash.commons-l] |
| 21:40.03 | HardDisk_WP | To Folder [[Gmail]/alt-Trash/commons-l] |
| 21:40.17 | \amethyst | maestro4: in part because they want the release to happen, and in part because they want the ability to push bugfixes into lenny should it become necessary |
| 21:40.21 | maestro4 | ok.. i think the maintainers already discussed this.. can you tell me the mailinglist.. then i can read the whole thing .. and understand the situation.. |
| 21:40.37 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: ah, hmm |
| 21:40.40 | \amethyst | maestro4: I'm not sure about dovecot, though, since it isn't a huge dependency the way KDE is |
| 21:40.40 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, gmail doesnt support subfolders, thats the problem. so the to shoulda be [Gmail]/alt-Trash-commons-l |
| 21:40.40 | Guerin | maestro4: debian-devel |
| 21:40.54 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.57 | Guerin | kde transition is a *major* amount of work |
| 21:41.01 | HardDisk_WP | (the regextrans part) |
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| 21:41.28 | Guerin | and has potential to fuck up all sorts of things, which means that until lenny is out it won't be included |
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| 21:41.30 | Seinis | hi |
| 21:41.39 | Seinis | quick check,,, it has been awhile since I used debian |
| 21:42.01 | Seinis | mm.. the server lists apt-get uses to recieve it's software data, are those called repositories? |
| 21:42.18 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: generally, i limit my irc help to stuff i can do off the top of my head, thats something i would have to read up on - sorry if that seems like a cop out |
| 21:42.20 | maestro4 | Guerin: thank you.. for the explanation |
| 21:42.32 | HardDisk_WP | kk np |
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| 21:45.33 | simonrvn | Seinis: yes |
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| 21:52.59 | kingsley | I'd like to consolidate two dnsmasq networks into one. Can I run "dpkg-recongigure dnsmask"? |
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| 21:54.24 | lfaraone | kingsley: No. But you can run "dpkg-reconfigure dnsmasq" |
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| 21:56.36 | kingsley | lfaraone: Ha ha! Thanks. |
| 21:56.42 | lfaraone | kingsley: np. |
| 21:57.21 | maestro4 | this page is showing 76 rc-bugs for lenny: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=both&sortby=packages&ignmerged=on&new=7&refresh=1800 |
| 21:57.41 | Guerin | maestro4: so? |
| 21:57.43 | maestro4 | does it mean.. that lenny can only be released after these bugs are resolved |
| 21:57.44 | maestro4 | ? |
| 21:57.54 | Guerin | maestro4: in principle, yes. |
| 21:58.20 | kingsley | lfaraone: Do you happen to know whether "dpkg-reconfigure dnsmasq" runs a user friendly an interactive script that prompts the user for simple answers? |
| 21:58.43 | Guerin | kingsley: you would know by now if you'd just fucking done it |
| 21:59.27 | lfaraone | kingsley: No, but as Guerin so plainly said, trying doens't hurt. |
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| 22:02.35 | kingsley | lfaraone: I'm not sure it wouldn't hurt. I am certain however that I'm less comfortable with pain than Guerin. |
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| 22:03.38 | lfaraone | kingsley: in any case it'll back up your config files... |
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| 22:07.29 | LooieENG | how do I update an app via apt? |
| 22:07.42 | petemc | aptitude install app |
| 22:07.49 | \amethyst | LooieENG: aptitude update; aptitude install packagename |
| 22:08.00 | LooieENG | ok thanks |
| 22:09.19 | abrotman | !tell LooieENG about grounding |
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| 22:14.00 | cusco | hi |
| 22:14.12 | cusco | I am trying to have a tunnelinterface |
| 22:14.14 | cusco | modprobe tun |
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| 22:14.31 | cusco | but I don't have a tun0 |
| 22:14.35 | cusco | interface? |
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| 22:16.12 | nullboy | cusco: does ifconfig -a show it? |
| 22:16.24 | cusco | no |
| 22:16.25 | cusco | :( |
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| 22:21.08 | maestro4 | cusco: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user-german@lists.debian.org/msg72573.html |
| 22:21.50 | cusco | I can't read german |
| 22:22.01 | cusco | but there is no tun0 |
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| 22:22.33 | abrotman | ifup tun0 ? |
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| 22:22.48 | cusco | unknown interface |
| 22:22.57 | nullboy | i think you need a program to open the tun interface up |
| 22:23.03 | nullboy | it's nto a normal type of interface |
| 22:23.13 | cusco | no such device |
| 22:23.25 | cusco | hmm what would that bew |
| 22:24.07 | nullboy | http://vtun.sourceforge.net/tun/faq.html |
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| 22:24.28 | luckz | what is etch-proposed-updates all about? |
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| 22:24.46 | luckz | google doesn't get me anything but mirrors, no explanations |
| 22:25.27 | abrotman | luckz: they're packages that might go into etch at the next point release |
| 22:25.36 | abrotman | use at your own risk |
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| 22:26.11 | luckz | I can't add that to my sources.list somehow, or can I? |
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| 22:26.33 | luckz | is it just for manual browsing? is there some tool to handle viewing/installing? |
| 22:26.44 | valdyn | luckz: why cant you? |
| 22:27.13 | nullboy | cusco: also: less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt |
| 22:27.17 | nullboy | the kernel docs |
| 22:27.17 | luckz | well, it doesn't seem to have the folder structure of normal repo folders? |
| 22:27.24 | valdyn | luckz: no? |
| 22:27.39 | valdyn | luckz: did you even look? |
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| 22:28.49 | luckz | the format of my sources.list entries at least wouldn't accomodate that - there are no main/contrib/non-free folders, for one. |
| 22:29.14 | jpinx | luckz: just download and install |
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| 22:29.59 | valdyn | luckz: it would |
| 22:30.15 | valdyn | luckz: all the directories that you are looking for are *actually* there |
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| 22:34.11 | nelf | lenny codecs + vlc? |
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| 22:36.38 | luckz | valdyn: oh, my bad, the folder sorting here is just a bit weird. okay. etch-backports is generally preferable vs etch-proposed-updates? and are there even more such repositories? |
| 22:36.42 | luckz | (thanks) |
| 22:37.14 | valdyn | luckz: its something entirely different |
| 22:37.32 | valdyn | luckz: updates/proposed updates is just fixes for same old versions |
| 22:37.49 | valdyn | luckz: while backports.org is entirely new versions or entirely new packages |
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| 22:39.42 | pappanz | hello. may someone explain me why the easytag package is not available in testing since ~may 2008? |
| 22:39.59 | zu22 | In the past 2 weeks I suddenly started getting dozens of track pings to my blog (i run wordpress), i looked at some of the source sites and they seem to be generated spam sites for Levitra etc. What the heck is the point of them linking to my blog? I don't link to them. I don't see the point. |
| 22:40.18 | zu22 | In the past 2 weeks I've gotten about 50 backtrack pings whereas before I had none. |
| 22:40.27 | petemc | welcome to the internet |
| 22:40.36 | zu22 | petemc: heh the spamnet it seems |
| 22:41.49 | nkuttler | zu22: i guess they're creating a lot of links to good sites and a few spam links. probably to escape some google algo |
| 22:42.08 | klync | zu22: afaik, it's just an automated way to give them some relevancy, per nkuttler's observation |
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| 22:42.24 | nullboy | i'm on testing and 'apt-file update' keeps telling me: "Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz" anyone have a suggestion as to what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 22:42.53 | nkuttler | zu22: oh, and many blogs will probably display their pings including links |
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| 22:45.03 | \amethyst | yeah, if you display their pings then you're (theoretically) increasing their pagerank |
| 22:45.04 | Error4o4 | when I alter the /var/run/motd file each time the system reboots a new one is created with the old content? is it supposed to be like this? |
| 22:45.13 | lastnode | hi does deb have a way where i can install it to a usb and then use a livecd to boot it? mybios doesnt support usb booting |
| 22:45.24 | \amethyst | Error4o4: yes; edit /etc/motd.tail instead |
| 22:45.37 | \amethyst | Error4o4: look in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 22:46.07 | \amethyst | Error4o4: man motd mentions this, too |
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| 22:46.29 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: ok thx |
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| 22:48.34 | Error4o4 | \amethyst: thx found everything. learned much today :} |
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| 22:49.06 | \amethyst | lastnode: http://wiki.debian.org/BootingFromFloppyToUsb |
| 22:49.22 | petemc | stew: quick trigger finger |
| 22:49.39 | zu22 | nkuttler: ah i see, thx |
| 22:49.47 | \amethyst | lastnode: hm, that document seems a bit old though |
| 22:49.58 | zu22 | klync: k |
| 22:51.13 | pappanz | well, I wasn't able to get *any* information on the debian policy about package freezes. seems to me there's something wrong. I mean, well, that's ok, we are preparing a new stable release. ok. why shouldn't I install a package x in my testing box? |
| 22:51.21 | \amethyst | lastnode: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=33094&sid=6477c5fb3a75883e64a5ac942187dead |
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| 22:52.26 | stew | petemc: what do you want to know about the freeze? |
| 22:52.34 | lastnode | \amethyst: i dont have a floppy drive |
| 22:52.45 | petemc | stew: nothing, cheers tho |
| 22:53.07 | petemc | pappanz might, if you want to tell him |
| 22:53.23 | stew | pappanz: what do you want to know about the freeze? |
| 22:53.23 | lastnode | \amethyst: is it posible that a bios update may fix my problem? |
| 22:53.30 | stew | petemc: hi, cheers |
| 22:53.41 | lastnode | \amethyst: ve tried unsuccessfully to find a bios update |
| 22:54.02 | zu22 | stew: you live in Pittsburgh, PA by chance? |
| 22:54.17 | pappanz | stew: what exactly is the reason for extensively freezing lots of packages? |
| 22:54.41 | stew | zu22: no, but i went to college there |
| 22:55.01 | Error4o4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.06 | pappanz | stew: I mean, easytag is not a fundamental package, but it has been unavailable for 6 months! |
| 22:55.17 | ice799 | stew: I also went to college there. |
| 22:55.24 | ice799 | stew: Where did you go? |
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| 22:57.07 | pappanz | moreover chances are, in the meantime there may be a new stable release of the package software = less bugs! |
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| 22:58.19 | pappanz | petemc: ? |
| 22:58.36 | llimeht | pappanz: easytag hasn't been unavailable for 6 months, it's only been suitably bug free for 3 months. Also, newer packages tend to introduce more bugs in how the interact with other packages. |
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| 22:58.52 | lastnode | im trying to intastall and run debian from a usb drive, i was just wondeirng whether openbios might help me, since my bios currently doesnt list ub as a boot option |
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| 22:59.10 | llimeht | pappanz: If the maintainer wanted to, they could have applied for a freeze exception and it probably would have been granted for a simple package. |
| 22:59.44 | stew | pappanz: they are being frozen becuase when we release, we get the testing version frozen and bug free, then testing gets renamed as stable |
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| 22:59.50 | petemc | pappanz: stew midirected an answer for you to me, but while i have your attention, do you think you know more than the collective knowledge of the debian developers? |
| 23:00.06 | stew | pappanz: once that happens, a new testing is created |
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| 23:00.14 | stew | ice799: CMU |
| 23:00.29 | ice799 | stew: me too! CS class of 2007.. what about you? |
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| 23:00.52 | ice799 | weird. |
| 23:01.21 | pappanz | petemc: I certainly don't understand something, never said I know more than DDs... |
| 23:01.26 | llimeht | pappanz: in fact, the package tracking system indicates that a freeze exception was requested and grated, but for a different version. You might want to ping the maintainer about this. |
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| 23:01.42 | petemc | pappanz: understood |
| 23:01.54 | stew | pappanz: does what I said make sense? does it answer your question? |
| 23:02.18 | stew | ice799: if i were a good student, i might have been in the class of 1994, i am, however in the class of infinity |
| 23:02.42 | ice799 | stew: ah ok |
| 23:02.50 | ice799 | before my time, then |
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| 23:03.06 | pappanz | stew: your answer makes sense. llimeht: however the problem still exist: at the moment the package is unavailable, so this means I simply cannot install it... |
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| 23:03.51 | Error4o4 | i have this vps just for 2 days, and almost 500 times some bots tried to login to ssh :) |
| 23:04.14 | joltcan | fail2ban is nice |
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| 23:04.53 | pappanz | llimeht: I find difficult to understand why the software shouldn't be available for the user (for months) even if the reason is the most noble: security issues/bugs. |
| 23:04.57 | petemc | Error4o4: thats common to everyone, dont have weak passwords, or dont accept password logins at all - or use fail2ban, as joltcan suggests |
| 23:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never used rsync and want to copy/update my remote mail directory on machine c to the local machine - I'd do "k@/home/k$ rsync -ac c:mail/ ." - am I missing any important options there? Using ssh is default? |
| 23:05.34 | jpinx | How do I persuade my vps provider not to go from Sarge to Ub**tu? |
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| 23:05.50 | petemc | jpinx: money talks |
| 23:05.50 | Error4o4 | joltcan, petemc: thx, will check out fail2ban |
| 23:06.18 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: man rsync |
| 23:06.38 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: rsync uses ssh by default on my lenny box |
| 23:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, very funny - I'm reading this and that thing has a 1000 options |
| 23:07.02 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: that is what i get told all the time -- rtfm! |
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| 23:07.15 | jpinx | ask abrotman |
| 23:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, well, I'll just try |
| 23:07.29 | petemc | CutMeOwnThroat: whats the k stuff? rsync -avz user@remotehost:mail localmail |
| 23:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, k is my username :) |
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| 23:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, just tried to indicate I'm in $HOME |
| 23:08.17 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: fwiw I do rsync -rv user@222.222.222.222:/path to folder /wherever/it's/going |
| 23:08.24 | petemc | CutMeOwnThroat: if you log in as your user, it works from your home dir |
| 23:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, ah, -z might be useful also (although ssh probably compresses anyways), thanks |
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| 23:09.15 | stew | pappanz: it takes months and months to prepare a stable release when we have the hard freeze, without it, it would probably never happen |
| 23:09.30 | petemc | and with it, it takes a long time |
| 23:09.37 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: I never use -z but that's just me........ |
| 23:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, guess that'll do, thanks guys |
| 23:09.51 | \amethyst | ssh compression isn't on by default |
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| 23:10.25 | llimeht | pappanz: feel free to suggest that debian should lower its quality and accept packages that are sufficiently buggy as to cause data loss. But I don't think you'll get many people backing that suggestion. BTW you can probably install it fairly easily at this stage by grabbing the .deb directly or even safer by following the instructions from /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:10.37 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: rsync is great - and easy |
| 23:11.03 | petemc | easy is subjective |
| 23:11.14 | \amethyst | pappanz: as for why it was originally removed: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/easytag/news/20080307T233916Z.html |
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| 23:11.19 | stew | i'd love to know how unoconv is able to actually cause my machine to reboot itself |
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| 23:12.41 | jpinx | petemc: if it's easy to me -- it's easy ;) |
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| 23:12.52 | abrotman | hi? |
| 23:13.19 | scientes | linux wont let me remount my drive rw |
| 23:13.23 | scientes | what do i do? |
| 23:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, ok, it's not copying the "mail" directories, but only the containg files... started from the wrong directory |
| 23:13.32 | SPF | hmm, somehow I'm unable to play some type of avi files ... |
| 23:13.38 | scientes | how do i unwrite protect my drive |
| 23:13.42 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: might be permissions |
| 23:13.42 | pappanz | stew, llimeht : so that's ok. As I already said, quality goes first. I'd better wait! :) |
| 23:14.11 | Guerin | scientes: why won't it? |
| 23:14.12 | pappanz | \amethyst: yeah, i already knew it! thank you btw |
| 23:14.13 | abrotman | scientes: filesystem issue .. fsck it |
| 23:14.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, I think it's a difference if you do rsync -acz c:mail/ . vs rsync -acz c:mail . |
| 23:14.15 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: you can rsync and use sudo |
| 23:14.21 | scientes | abrotman, i did fsck it |
| 23:14.27 | scientes | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 23:14.45 | Guerin | scientes: shutdown -rf now |
| 23:14.51 | scientes | noo |
| 23:14.55 | Guerin | yes |
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| 23:15.09 | Guerin | man shutdown if you don't trust me |
| 23:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, no need... same user - and what I wanted to say - I always rtfm, that's why I already had a command - but it's easier to ask for a missing option than to read about all options of rsync - rtfm normally just means you search for what you want :) |
| 23:16.13 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: yea - I sympathise - I seem to never get off the steep part of the learing curve either |
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| 23:16.24 | jpinx | *learning |
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| 23:17.23 | SPF | playing avi files results most times in badalloc. Any solution? |
| 23:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, yes, that's the difference... "rsync -acz c:mail" copies the directory "mail" and then recursively it's contents, "rsync -acz c:mail/" copies the content of mail (and and recursively all lower levels if there were any) |
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| 23:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe 850 MB of mail |
| 23:18.08 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: yes - the trailing slash means a lot ;) |
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| 23:20.07 | Error4o4 | btw where is the /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file executed from on system startup. I couldnt find the place where its called. |
| 23:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps should consider deleting a couple of them with too-large attachments :) |
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| 23:20.44 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: there's loads of options in rsync that allow you to make exceptions |
| 23:20.50 | stew | Error4o4: ls /etc/rc?.d/*bootmisc* |
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| 23:21.30 | ralu | i just installed debian on old comp. During install it wasnt plugged on ethernet and now, ifconfig returns oly lo |
| 23:21.33 | Error4o4 | stew: Runlevel 2 is currently default but no Sxxbootmisc |
| 23:21.34 | ralu | any idea? |
| 23:21.54 | ralu | no eth0 :( |
| 23:22.11 | stew | Error4o4: its started in /etc/rcS.d normally. did you try the command I suggested? |
| 23:22.55 | scientes | i dont want to reboot :( |
| 23:23.18 | Error4o4 | stew: i looked in rcS.d also but didnt find it.. maybe in some script there.. Btw which command? |
| 23:23.30 | stew | 18:20 < stew> Error4o4: ls /etc/rc?.d/*bootmisc* |
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| 23:23.52 | Error4o4 | stew: aha sorry, i see now that that was a command :) |
| 23:24.03 | SPF | ralu: ifconfig -a |
| 23:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | scientes, that's an sd card or something? |
| 23:25.36 | Error4o4 | stew: you were right. i didnt look good. it found it in /etc/rcS.d nice way to find the file, because when searching on screen it eassy to overlook files.. thx |
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| 23:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, ha, actually *very* good idea to use "-z" for emails :) |
| 23:27.36 | scientes | CutMeOwnThroat, no regular hd ext3 partition |
| 23:27.45 | SPF | all my video players crash with about the same error message: X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)?,?% 0 0 |
| 23:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can't remount rw? |
| 23:27.57 | scientes | nope |
| 23:28.04 | scientes | sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1 / -t ext3 |
| 23:28.05 | scientes | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 23:28.18 | scientes | hdparm : readonly = 0 (off) |
| 23:29.48 | jpinx | scientes: there's a force-remount iirc |
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| 23:30.27 | stew | SPF: sounds like the codec you are using is buggy, do you know what codec it is? |
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| 23:30.34 | jpinx | scientes: or run fsck on it to see what's wrong |
| 23:31.03 | scientes | jpinx, i did, and it fixed errors |
| 23:31.15 | scientes | but shouldnt i be able to immediately remount it then? |
| 23:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | scientes, yeah, reboot - looks like your kernel thinks it can't write to it... as you can't unload the kernel module, that's it |
| 23:31.32 | SPF | stew: mpeg-3 |
| 23:31.36 | jpinx | scientes: you might have to reboot |
| 23:31.38 | scientes | lol no its my root drive |
| 23:31.46 | stew | SPF: happens with any mp3 file? |
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| 23:32.11 | jpinx | scientes: it'll still reboot anyway |
| 23:32.11 | SPF | stew: no, mp3 files play just fine |
| 23:32.22 | SPF | through the video players that is |
| 23:32.25 | scientes | i hate reboting |
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| 23:32.38 | scientes | i allways hibernate, would suspend but its broken |
| 23:33.11 | jpinx | scientes: you have to give the kernel a fresh look at the hardware after you've fixed it |
| 23:33.15 | stew | SPF: what codec DOESN'T work? |
| 23:33.56 | jpinx | scientes: and that needs a reboot |
| 23:34.41 | frankS2 | http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3828/dusugdf4.jpg |
| 23:34.46 | frankS2 | anyone know what guitar that is? :P |
| 23:34.55 | stew | frankS2: wrong channel |
| 23:35.03 | SPF | stew: divx, xvid, mpeg-3 |
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| 23:35.20 | stew | SPF: mpeg-3 is the same as mp3 |
| 23:35.20 | Sling | frankS2 : its a black one, with 6 strings |
| 23:35.32 | Sling | thats probably as much info as you're gonna get here :) |
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| 23:36.12 | ralu | SPF thank you for info, |
| 23:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | supposing I make a cronjob to rsync update the same dir. nightly (hourly?) - would --checksum be advisable? |
| 23:36.45 | jpinx | frankS2: it's a cut-away semi acoustic gibson |
| 23:36.59 | SPF | stew: mpeg4 is working |
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| 23:37.30 | rgr | CutMeOwnThroat: for me would depend on the transfer medium. |
| 23:37.39 | rgr | Dont bother with incremental backups using rsnapshot. |
| 23:38.13 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: be careful about using resources during large rsync's - that's caused me some headaches in the past |
| 23:38.32 | frankS2 | jpinx: wow, thanks man=) |
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| 23:39.36 | rgr | frankS2: built in 1960. Looks very similar to a mid 60s epiphone starburst semi-acoustic which has had a respray. |
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| 23:40.11 | zu22 | stew: ah did you attend the WPLUG? |
| 23:40.12 | frankS2 | ok thanks |
| 23:40.19 | jpinx | rgr: ;) |
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| 23:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps better skip the -c option :) |
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| 23:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, not so large (as in many files) - rsync -auz now finishes in 3 seconds... probably could run this more than once a day :) |
| 23:44.27 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: 3 secs is nothing -- sometimes mine take a couple of hours in bg |
| 23:44.49 | stew | zu22: linux was invendted the year i left pittsburgh |
| 23:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, well, it doesn't have do download anything now of course... only check file dates |
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| 23:45.51 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: if you play around with options you'll find a good setup that only transfers differences, etc |
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| 23:47.29 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: from memory there's an option to do comparisons and report, but not actually transfer anything - you can choose to do that later |
| 23:47.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I'm good |
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| 23:48.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just got scared a bit, because the mailserver will vanish at sometime - and yesterday it was unreachable and I thought it already happened :) |
| 23:48.53 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought you're doing this locally? |
| 23:48.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | so perhaps good to keep a local copy of the mails from the last years |
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| 23:49.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 23:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | "c" was the name of the remote host |
| 23:49.19 | jpinx | ah -- ok |
| 23:49.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got an entry in /etc/hosts for the short hostname |
| 23:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I can do just "ssh c" |
| 23:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | <--------- lazy |
| 23:50.06 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: yep -- got you |
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| 23:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's sometimes a big effort to be lazy |
| 23:51.10 | petemc | that sounds oxymoronish |
| 23:51.57 | jpinx | !oxymoron |
| 23:51.58 | dpkg | hmm... oxymoron is Microsoft Works or Best Buy or Military Intelligence or PowerMac or good floppies. Open Software Foundation, or religious school. Windows New Technology (NT). American humour |
| 23:52.22 | petemc | not a good factoid |
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| 23:52.30 | Guerin | i think it's particularly apt |
| 23:52.57 | jpinx | petemc: add your bit then |
| 23:53.07 | petemc | cba |
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| 23:53.33 | jpinx | heh |
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| 23:55.39 | punzada | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.01 | Lovecraft | Would slang do? slrn is pretty good. |
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| 23:56.24 | Lovecraft | Tag to download and run it through uudecode |
| 23:56.47 | punzada | hmm, possibly |
| 23:57.10 | punzada | was hoping someone would pop up with a magical premade solution, may have to hack away at this a bit though ;p |
| 23:57.19 | jpinx | goes for beer |
| 23:57.41 | punzada | I'm used to using pan in xwindows and I'm just trying to find some nice equivilents to my software, this being one of the last ones ;p |
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