| 00:00.11 | scientes | http://pastie.org/340018 |
| 00:00.24 | scientes | derjens, you can create a ro system on a cd and boot off that, then there is no risk of files being changed |
| 00:00.52 | scientes | a encrypted system gains absolutely no security to outside intruders unless the encrypted partition are kept unmounted most of the time |
| 00:00.56 | derjens | scientes, what would i do when that has finished booting? |
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| 00:01.42 | derjens | scientes, i know. encrypting the disk is for physical access like the police |
| 00:01.50 | scientes | derjens, it would use hard drive for what needed but if you had all the executables on hard disk and configuration then noone could create a hook |
| 00:01.53 | valdyn | scientes: you miss raid1 support? modprobe raid1 |
| 00:01.56 | doublehp | which distro looking like DSL will start sshd automatically ? i am trying DSL, but, by default, sshd can not start because etc is not writable |
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| 00:02.53 | scientes | http://pastie.org/340021 |
| 00:02.58 | scientes | i dont think it got created right |
| 00:03.12 | scientes | i need to bring it down then and use the drive that did have data on it |
| 00:03.22 | derjens | doublehp, will you please ask the DSL people about that? i have been using DSL for years and ssh support works like a charm (remember giving a passwd to root/other user) |
| 00:03.42 | scientes | or maybe it jsut fried everything who knows |
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| 00:03.54 | derjens | either you are doing something wrong (dsl will know) or you have found a bug (dsl people really want to know) |
| 00:03.57 | scientes | but yeah thx i dont think raid1 was loaded |
| 00:03.58 | doublehp | derjens: i ask again: which other distros can do it ? |
| 00:04.28 | derjens | i don't know for sure but have you tried grml? |
| 00:04.43 | doublehp | derjens: i tried the Sarge installer, but, it does not start it by default, and it does not ship essential tools |
| 00:05.23 | doublehp | derjens: dont send me in the room of the distro i am trying to quit ... when i ask what are the alternatives |
| 00:05.33 | derjens | scientes, what did you mean by creating a hook? please explain that in detail |
| 00:06.09 | scientes | derjens, as soon as someone gets into your system they will change binaries to give themselves a backdoor |
| 00:06.24 | derjens | doublehp, i have just stopped sending you anything because i don't know any alternatives as i am satisfied with dsl |
| 00:06.32 | scientes | if you make all binaries read only and mount everything else noexec then they cant do that |
| 00:07.20 | derjens | scientes, this is secure - i understand - but loading from CD is no possibilty for me. i dont like them... |
| 00:07.33 | scientes | i dont blame you |
| 00:07.42 | scientes | but thats how you make an unbreakable system |
| 00:07.47 | doublehp | derjens: knoppix can launch sshd from CD, when dsl cant. That's why i am ATM exploring the various tastes of knoppix ... but there are lot more; i also give an eye at the gentoo GUI installer, that seem to have nice tools (the essential short CLI install CD dont ship anything) |
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| 00:08.09 | Supaplex | !debian live |
| 00:08.09 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-live is live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is gaining significant functionality and stability as development continutes. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ , or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
| 00:08.38 | ryanCH | why do some installers require the kernel headers? |
| 00:08.51 | derjens | scientes, i dont think that this system could be unbreakable. no one is... |
| 00:08.53 | Supaplex | depends on what they're installing. |
| 00:09.13 | scientes | http://pastie.org/340028 this raid keeps semming funny |
| 00:09.22 | derjens | intruders could break in and run some of the already existing binaries with options allowing them to access the box |
| 00:09.50 | scientes | same with a drive ofthe raid --> |
| 00:09.52 | scientes | http://pastie.org/340029http://pastie.org/340029 |
| 00:10.19 | bigshot | i've got centrino duo processor should i select core 2? in kernel compilation? |
| 00:10.27 | scientes | derjens, yes but it would go away when the box was restarted |
| 00:10.33 | scientes | thats as good as you can get |
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| 00:10.46 | scientes | and you have /etc on ro too |
| 00:11.10 | derjens | scientes, do i want to restart my box?? :) |
| 00:11.23 | derjens | why did i choose debian then? ;-) |
| 00:11.33 | scientes | derjens, your box will be secure unless ymake it insecure |
| 00:11.48 | scientes | thats the main point |
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| 00:12.13 | norc | Curious about your opinion. Is there any reason not to use killall but to use pkill instead? |
| 00:12.16 | scientes | people dont attack well gaurded systems |
| 00:12.22 | ice799 | Hi -- I've noticed that when I run pmap -x pid for a process, the memory usage list shows only "-" for each column (RSS, Anon, and Locked) |
| 00:13.18 | ice799 | bigshot: make menuconfig before building the kernel |
| 00:13.18 | derjens | scientes, in short what i'ld like to have: somebody enters the house and grabs the box. in order to take it away he disconnects power and so he cannot access the hdd... |
| 00:13.25 | ice799 | bigshot: and select the cpu architecture you want |
| 00:14.06 | derjens | of course it would be satisfying having an encrypted part for secure stuff and another part for public debian parts like binaries |
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| 00:32.51 | oompa_loompa | Hi everybody |
| 00:33.11 | newsense | hi |
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| 00:35.33 | cwheeler | I need to install some older libs on lenny, how do i do this without messing it up?' |
| 00:36.00 | norc | cwheeler: backports ? |
| 00:36.35 | cwheeler | ah thanks :) |
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| 00:40.13 | oompa_loompa | I have a debian router and 2 different ISP's can anyone point me to a manual or document that will show me how to connect to both of them at the same time and switch between the two when Im running low on available bandwidth? |
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| 00:45.20 | Supaplex | oompa_loompa: does each isp provide you a unique ip? that's the harder way. with bgp you could peer with multiple providers. |
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| 00:46.03 | oompa_loompa | Supaplex: yes they do |
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| 00:50.02 | Samb1 | I think theres some kind of swf-player problem with debian |
| 00:50.19 | Supaplex | oompa_loompa: I think it's going to be degrated for application use if you can. ratelimiting in iptables could act and send it to a different set of rules for the second isp, but applications that expect your ip to remain the same in a session may not work well. |
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| 00:51.46 | oompa_loompa | Supaplex: can you point me to any document that might help me with that? |
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| 00:52.12 | Samb1 | altho strangely it was working then it spontaneously stopped again |
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| 00:52.48 | rise | hi, is there any way to create a lvm2 volume, from a partition folder? |
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| 00:53.37 | Supaplex | oompa_loompa: not really. unless you're savvy with iptables (check the docs on use of -m ) |
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| 00:53.58 | rise | actually have / and /usr (different partitions), but wanna put all /root /var /opt mounted on /usr, |
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| 00:54.40 | rise | now i am using symbolic links, but it fails, at i.e writing logs. at /usr/var when shutdown |
| 00:54.41 | Supaplex | rise: it's a bad idea to leave /root in a different filesystem than /. there should be relatively little data there. |
| 00:54.42 | oDesk | how to convert iso-5589-1 file to uft-8 through the command-line ? |
| 00:54.42 | oompa_loompa | Supaplex: thanks, and I really know basic iptables Im not savvy |
| 00:55.09 | abrotman | oompa_loompa: #iptables might be able to point you in a good direction |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | oDesk: iconv ? |
| 00:55.25 | Supaplex | rise: /root on a different filesystem will just annoy anyone that needs to manage the system when only / is available |
| 00:55.31 | oompa_loompa | Supaplex: thanks abrotman |
| 00:55.46 | oDesk | abrotman: great thanks |
| 00:57.05 | rise | ie. /root is a symlink to /usr/root (/ on /dev/hda, /usr on /dev/hda3 |
| 00:57.49 | oDesk | abrotman: iconv: conversion from `ISO-5589-1' is not supported |
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| 00:57.58 | superlinux | hi guys |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | weird .. but okay |
| 00:58.06 | rise | currently the troubles that i have is when reseting/shuting down , and trying to write the logs to an unmounted folder (a symlink /var to /usr/var |
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| 00:59.41 | superlinux | which is the meta pkg for Debian that lets me install all necessary development tools including make and g++ and the linux headers and so and so |
| 00:59.47 | superlinux | ?? |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | !b-e superlinux |
| 00:59.49 | dpkg | superlinux: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 00:59.59 | joesmoje | anyone know where to get debs for java 6u12 for 64-bit? (now that it has 64-bit browser plugin support) |
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| 01:00.16 | superlinux | abrotman, thanks bro |
| 01:00.40 | Supaplex | what is GlobalKnownHostsFile by default? |
| 01:00.50 | Bangers | For apt-ftparchive, whats the difference between doing a "rm -rf .cache && mkdir .cache" or apt-ftparchive clean? |
| 01:01.06 | Bigshot_ | !dpkg @ Bigshot_ |
| 01:01.42 | Supaplex | Bigshot_: /query dpkg |
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| 01:02.13 | Bigshot_ | thnx XD |
| 01:02.44 | Supaplex | rise: nice filesystem maze you have there |
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| 01:04.06 | rise | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2008-12-15 20:04 opt -> /usr/opt |
| 01:04.06 | rise | dr-xr-xr-x 114 root root 0 2008-12-15 20:09 proc |
| 01:04.06 | rise | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2008-12-15 20:03 root -> /usr/roo |
| 01:04.21 | norc | Erm, is it possible to get the keyboard delay time (for repeat) beneath 250? kbdrate refuses to accept any values below 250. |
| 01:04.24 | rise | dev/hda1 183M 20M 154M 12% /boot |
| 01:04.24 | rise | /dev/hda7 28G 2,4G 100G 10% /usr |
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| 01:04.32 | norc | rise: pastebin.ca |
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| 01:06.22 | abrotman | rise: did you paste that for a reason ? |
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| 01:06.49 | Caelum | apt-get autoclean freed 30gb of my hd, yay! |
| 01:06.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:07.29 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 01:08.36 | Caelum | I don't run it that often |
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| 01:08.37 | norc | So, any other way to change the delay for the keyboard when holding a key pressed? |
| 01:08.42 | norc | (than kbdrate) |
| 01:09.03 | Caelum | gnome keyboard properties? |
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| 01:09.23 | norc | uhh.. without installing any bloated large desktop environment like gnome/kde? |
| 01:09.29 | dabreegster | Where is the compiz settings manager in KDE? I have compizconfig-backend-kconfig installed with seemingly no effect. GNOME had one under a preference menu. It wasn't even a program in /usr/bin I could run. |
| 01:09.39 | norc | I refuse to believe that I have to install Gnome/KDE for such a simple task. |
| 01:10.02 | Caelum | norc: there's a thingy in xset, r |
| 01:10.18 | doublehp | derjens: DSL can start sshd at start, but, dont have derfault password => impossible to login just after boot |
| 01:10.41 | norc | Caelum: Ah. I went through xset like 5 times looking for the word "keyboard". I was confused why xset wouldnt allow keyboard settings. |
| 01:10.44 | norc | Thanks. |
| 01:11.10 | joesmoje | anyone know where to get debs for java 6u12 for 64-bit? (now that it has 64-bit browser plugin support) |
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| 01:11.35 | derjens | doublehp, that is what i had written before |
| 01:11.48 | norc | Do the changes made with xset stay after restarting the xserver? |
| 01:12.13 | doublehp | derjens: and forums dont help |
| 01:12.32 | rise | im trying to put all the things under symlinks to /usr i.e /usr/home |
| 01:12.33 | derjens | what is your current question? |
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| 01:13.40 | doublehp | derjens: which distro will offer me ssh at boot, *in which i can login* ? |
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| 01:14.11 | doublehp | derjens: i think i will unpack, and repack DSL with a modified shadow |
| 01:14.19 | derjens | doublehp, so you are starting the machine from remote and cannot bypass any kernel args? |
| 01:14.34 | dabreegster | How do I configure compiz in KDE? |
| 01:14.53 | doublehp | derjens: no; ISO loads through PXE ... arguments are passed by pxelinux.cfg/default ... |
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| 01:15.38 | derjens | well, i never tried but did you have a close look on DSL boot args? i guess there is one for ssh password |
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| 01:17.15 | noobiot | Since a recent Windows installation usurped GRUB from my MBR, I reinstalled grub from the command line (setup (hd0)). Since then, I have able to boot neither debian nor WinXP. The most notable lines when I attempt debian are: "Filesystem type unknown ... 0x82" and "Error 17: Cannot mount specified partition" |
| 01:17.21 | Canaris_ | I am currently running EtchandaHalf with kernel 2.6.24. I just wanted to install the nvidia-glx package from non-free, but when doing so, apt-get also wants to install "linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64" and "nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64" which doesn't really seem like a good idea. Or am I wrong? |
| 01:17.42 | Supaplex | noobiot: 82 is swap? |
| 01:17.57 | noobiot | Supaplex: really?! |
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| 01:18.11 | nullboy | for reelz |
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| 01:18.20 | Supaplex | yup. /dev/hda5 472 499 224878+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 01:18.32 | Supaplex | vs /dev/hda1 * 1 471 3783276 83 Linux |
| 01:18.55 | noobiot | suggestions, please? |
| 01:19.05 | hachi | hi, I've got an amd64 box here... trying to get linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 booting on top of the xen-3.2-1-amd64 hypervisor |
| 01:19.15 | Supaplex | try configfile (hd0,<TAB> |
| 01:19.21 | derjens | doublehp, if that does not work i do not really have any more ideas. maybe creating your own dsl image is a good idea. try that. for now i will have to leave. it's 2.15 am here and i am pretty tired + have to get up early |
| 01:19.27 | hachi | it boots into the linux kernel, and I think something goes wrong with the virtual console |
| 01:19.32 | hachi | anyone know how to get this working? |
| 01:20.12 | noobiot | Supaplex, nothing. |
| 01:20.15 | doublehp | derjens: same time as for me :) |
| 01:20.25 | Supaplex | noobiot: /msg dpkg rescue |
| 01:20.38 | doublehp | derjens: except ... you are 4 mn late: aptitude install chrony |
| 01:20.53 | karikari | Hi, is there any way to allow people to wite to a specific directory but not to let them remove other peoples files (I know, sticki bit) UNLESS they are in a specific group? I tried setting the directory permissions to 1777 and the group to the specified group, but with the sticky bit the people in the group cannot remove files not belonging to them. Is there any way to get more fine grained filesystem access control then chmod/own offers? |
| 01:21.50 | derjens | doublehp, this is kubuntu which keeps track of time just by checking a little checkbox... my timestamp was not accurate, only to explain why i am so tired:) |
| 01:21.57 | Supaplex | !tell karikari -about acl |
| 01:22.36 | abrotman | !tell karikari about permissions |
| 01:23.00 | hachi | anyone know how to enable the boot logs in debian? |
| 01:23.07 | karikari | Hmm, acl seems promising |
| 01:23.11 | abrotman | !tell hachi about bootlog |
| 01:23.13 | hachi | I thought it was called like 'bootlogd' or something, but I dn't see it |
| 01:23.23 | karikari | abrotman: The regular permissions don't suffice as far as I can see |
| 01:24.01 | Canaris_ | I am currently running EtchandaHalf with kernel 2.6.24. I just wanted to install the nvidia-glx package from non-free, but when doing so, apt-get also wants to install "linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64" and "nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64" which doesn't really seem like a good idea. Or am I wrong? |
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| 01:24.24 | Canaris_ | Is there gonna be a problem considering the 2.6.24 vs 2.6.18 ? |
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| 01:25.03 | noobiot | Supaplex, thanks. I'll give that a shot |
| 01:25.17 | abrotman | oh that's freaking retarded .. the debian wiki just did a C+P on greycat's page |
| 01:25.51 | yksinaisyyteni | how do i add an ipv6 alias address to an interface without it become the default source address? |
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| 01:26.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: you could have at least put a reference to greycat's page |
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| 01:27.10 | bigshot | i just compiled and installed new kernel 2.6.27.9 and my WIFI doesn't work (disabled) and my webcam and fn keys don't work what should i do? |
| 01:27.38 | abrotman | karikari: depending on how you were going to do it, the SGID bit could do it |
| 01:27.40 | Supaplex | bigshot: did it ever work? |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | i think .. but oh well |
| 01:27.53 | bigshot | yes it works on etchnhalf |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | bigshot: go ask ##kernel |
| 01:28.07 | Supaplex | bigshot: then why not use that? |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | Supaplex: do you really want to know? |
| 01:28.22 | Supaplex | no :) |
| 01:28.53 | bigshot | Supaplex, i wanted to "dim" the brightness of the screen that's why i tried the new kernel |
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| 01:29.34 | Supaplex | ask professor google about "make oldconfig" :) |
| 01:29.40 | Supaplex | gets back to work |
| 01:30.07 | abrotman | Bigshot_: you did ti wrong, either ask ##kernel how to do it correctly or use the debian kernel |
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| 01:31.29 | karikari | abrotman: I read somthing about that, you mean the way the SGID on the parent directory makes the group for new directories inherit from the parent? |
| 01:31.43 | abrotman | i believe so .. but you'd have to experiment a bit |
| 01:32.07 | noobiot | Supaplex: I'm unsure of what steps to take after chrooting the target dir. help? :) |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | karikari: ACLs are the obvious answer, but that's an extension to traditional unix perms |
| 01:32.52 | Supaplex | noobiot: look in the install manual, review the installing on existing linux systems, and see how they use grub there. |
| 01:33.34 | Supaplex | noobiot: update-grub will rewrite the configfile, but check your root (hd... value |
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| 01:34.14 | karikari | abrotman: Ok, I have been experimenting for some time with little success, if the ACLs don't add too much trouble then it seems the only alternative |
| 01:34.32 | dustybin | ive installed sudo, how can one execute a root command via a user? |
| 01:34.43 | dustybin | it asks for the users password but always says its incorrect |
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| 01:34.54 | beardy | ..and ACL's doesn't work like they should. |
| 01:34.56 | twobitsprite | dustybin: it asks for the users password, unless you configure it otherwise |
| 01:35.02 | beardy | -' |
| 01:35.13 | dustybin | twobitsprite: but it doesnt work |
| 01:35.17 | nhuisman_work | Hey I'm having this problem where I install a new debian system, reboot everything works ok, then I update the kernel and it hangs on "Waiting for root file system" |
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| 01:35.24 | abrotman | karikari: have fun! |
| 01:35.24 | nhuisman_work | ideas? |
| 01:35.29 | twobitsprite | dustybin: you're entering the password of the user, not root, right? |
| 01:35.34 | nhuisman_work | I thought perhaps it was a problem with the menu.lst |
| 01:35.34 | dustybin | i tried both |
| 01:35.53 | noobiot | Supaplex: sorry, "check" it? |
| 01:35.54 | nhuisman_work | should the root (hdx,x) and kernel root=/dev/sdx be the same partition? |
| 01:35.56 | newsense | dustybin, is the user in /etc/sudoers / |
| 01:36.04 | dustybin | twobitsprite: could this be down to some kind of high tech linux virus? |
| 01:36.10 | octoserver | why would a raid device load as auto-read-only ? |
| 01:36.14 | dustybin | newsense: let me check |
| 01:36.19 | karikari | abrotman: Thanks : ) |
| 01:36.25 | twobitsprite | dustybin: I highly doubt it |
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| 01:37.56 | charzero | Why does 'env' show "PANTS=ON"? Is it a joke? Where is it coming from? |
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| 01:38.40 | nhuisman_work | charzero, lol |
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| 01:38.56 | nhuisman_work | charzero, you could start by grep -R -i pants /etc/ |
| 01:39.47 | twobitsprite | charzero: mine has that too and I never noticed it before |
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| 01:39.59 | charzero | nhuisman_work: I tried that already. |
| 01:40.14 | wthww | Does anyone know if Alien will preserve archs if you convert an rpm to a deb on an arch other than the one the package was for? |
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| 01:40.53 | charzero | I tried taking my pants off, but it is still set to ON. |
| 01:41.18 | nhuisman_work | shrug try / instead of /etc then |
| 01:41.21 | nhuisman_work | and prepare for a long wait |
| 01:42.04 | nhuisman_work | too bad google is lame about special characters |
| 01:42.14 | nhuisman_work | you can't force "PANTS=ON" as a search string and get a result |
| 01:42.35 | charzero | It isn't there if I login with csh as my shell. I guess it is a bash thing. |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | wthww: uhm .. it's a package with compiled binaries .. how were you going to run them anyways ? |
| 01:44.01 | nhuisman_work | check your .bashrc file |
| 01:44.05 | nhuisman_work | in ur ~/ |
| 01:44.14 | nhuisman_work | and /etc/login |
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| 01:44.40 | wthww | I mean if I have an rpm package made for ppc, want to convert it to a deb for ppc, but using alien on an x86 system, will it change it, or should it work fine? |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | i'd think it should be okay |
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| 01:46.13 | Bigshot_ | i am getting this in dmesg how can i turn it ON? sonypi: detected type2 model, verbose = 0, fnkeyinit = off, camera = off, compat = off, mask = 0xffffffff, useinput = on, acpi = on |
| 01:46.18 | wthww | Nope. it wont :( |
| 01:46.33 | wthww | binary arch error ;). Lesson learned. |
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| 01:49.07 | Bigshot_ | Anyone? |
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| 01:50.07 | abrotman | Bigshot_: which kernel ? |
| 01:50.21 | Bigshot_ | 27.9 |
| 01:50.23 | abrotman | wthww: guess if you were really interested you could do it in a ppc qemu instance |
| 01:50.36 | abrotman | Bigshot_: then go to ##kernel .. we cannot help you with mistakes you made in your custom kernel |
| 01:50.57 | Bigshot_ | no ones answering there :| |
| 01:51.01 | wthww | abrotman, I just decided to do it on the PPC machine. thx tho |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | wthww: ah ok |
| 01:51.16 | abrotman | Bigshot_: then use a debian kernel and prove the problem still exists |
| 01:51.35 | amphi | Bigshot_: what do you mean? the message is repeating constantly? |
| 01:51.37 | Bigshot_ | i kept everything default except processor architecture and stuff |
| 01:51.52 | Bigshot_ | no not constantly |
| 01:51.57 | Bigshot_ | dmesg |
| 01:52.03 | Bigshot_ | dmesg | grep sonypi |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | Bigshot_: boot the debian kernel .. no one here will help you until that happens |
| 01:52.26 | nullboy | still hasn't banned, amazing |
| 01:52.28 | Bigshot_ | will you be able to help me with reducing brightness in debian kernel? |
| 01:52.36 | amphi | Bigshot_: did you check the module options with modinfo? |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | Bigshot_: how new is your laptop ? |
| 01:53.05 | Bigshot_ | sept. 2007 |
| 01:53.10 | Bigshot_ | release date |
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| 01:53.46 | abrotman | Bigshot_: what kind of laptop ? |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | Bigshot_: what leads you to believe that a newer kernel will fix your issue ? |
| 01:54.38 | Bigshot_ | sony vaio vgn-fz240e |
| 01:54.39 | enouf | doublehp: try grml.org |
| 01:54.46 | Bigshot_ | enouf told me |
| 01:54.52 | stew | do i have to do anything special when moving a software raid array from one machine to another? i can't seem to get it to assemble in the new host: "Assembling MD array md0...failed (not enough devices). |
| 01:54.55 | abrotman | told you ? |
| 01:54.56 | enouf | told you what? |
| 01:54.58 | nullboy | lol |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | Bigshot_: i doubt enouf would do that .. he thinks linux runs on OSX .. he's crazy :) |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | stew: make sure the drives are in the same order ? |
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| 01:55.58 | abrotman | and/or named the same |
| 01:56.04 | stew | abrotman: oh, shit, really? |
| 01:56.19 | abrotman | stew: mdadm references them by device node AFAIK .. so i'd really quite imagine so |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | raid1 might not matter |
| 01:56.37 | stew | ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=3 UUID=fda205a1:0de2fe11:63581d11:2ea6209d |
| 01:56.40 | nullboy | i have mine referenced by UUID |
| 01:56.55 | stew | well one combination down, 5 left to try I guess |
| 01:56.58 | abrotman | stew: ah okay .. are the UUIDs still the same in both systems ? |
| 01:57.00 | twobitsprite | stew: isn't raid5 double-parody? |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | twobitsprite: not even close |
| 01:57.20 | stew | i think he's trying to parody |
| 01:57.30 | zinx | raid5 has a single drive of parity... |
| 01:57.42 | stew | no, it has parity spread across all drives |
| 01:57.48 | stew | raid4 has a single drive of parity |
| 01:57.50 | zinx | raid5 has a single drive's worth of parity... |
| 01:57.53 | stew | yes |
| 01:58.02 | zinx | silly semantic nazi :P |
| 01:58.17 | stew | godwin |
| 01:58.26 | twobitsprite | I'm grepping / for "PANTS" |
| 01:58.26 | stew | abrotman: /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf generates an identical configuration |
| 01:58.37 | zinx | stew: wasn't used in that context :P |
| 01:59.08 | nullboy | twobitsprite: if you're bored go grep around in the kernel source for nasties |
| 01:59.20 | twobitsprite | nullboy: I've done that... |
| 01:59.21 | nullboy | some are quite funny |
| 01:59.34 | twobitsprite | now try grepping the source for "voodoo" or "black magic" |
| 01:59.56 | twobitsprite | I haven't tried it in a long time, but there were quite a few uses a couple of years ago |
| 02:00.23 | twobitsprite | usually followed by some insanely nasty code with no further comments |
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| 02:01.01 | nullboy | lol |
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| 02:02.00 | cr3 | when dpkg -P'ing multiple packages, is the implicit ordering of dependencies preserved? for example, if package foo depends on package bar and I dpkg -P foo bar, will foo be removed before bar? |
| 02:02.19 | enouf | no |
| 02:02.27 | enouf | afaik |
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| 02:02.45 | enouf | wait, what? |
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| 02:03.14 | abrotman | cr3: why not use aptitude to purge them ? |
| 02:03.16 | twobitsprite | enouf: I thought dpkg did depth-first dependancy resolution... i.e., it would remove foo's depends before removing either package... afaik |
| 02:03.36 | twobitsprite | but yeah... I think aptitude would be smarter about it at least |
| 02:03.50 | enouf | forget about depends, look into debfoster and deborphan |
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| 02:05.07 | Bigshot_ | is there any package called "xbacklight" for debian? |
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| 02:05.19 | enouf | the point is; they both should end up purged; so it doesn't matter, unless you are playing games with pinning, hold, and repo entries |
| 02:05.39 | enouf | !tell Bigshot_ -about search |
| 02:05.42 | stew | interesting, /proc/mdstat sayd md0 : inactive sdb[2](S) sdc[1](S) sda[0](S) |
| 02:05.47 | stew | which are the right devices |
| 02:06.14 | cr3 | abrotman: if I write a package, it would suck if errors were being thrown left and right because some common tools such as dpkg didn't follow debian packaging policy |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | stew: just restore from backups! |
| 02:06.26 | dustybin | ettercap kicks _serious_ ass, ive never had so much fun in ages |
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| 02:06.41 | abrotman | cr3: that doesn't make sense |
| 02:06.55 | dustybin | sniffs abrotman password |
| 02:06.55 | octoserver | ahaaaaa. i know wht auto-read-only means in my /proc/mdstat :) |
| 02:07.01 | abrotman | i bet .. |
| 02:07.02 | cr3 | abrotman: however, if it makes sense somehow to remove package in any order regardless of dependencies, then I'll package my stuff accordingly |
| 02:07.12 | enouf | zink_: determining where the data and the parity is .. is not a matter of semantics |
| 02:07.20 | stew | abrotman: i just did a terribly painful networked rsync to sync 1.5 tb to this array, then pulled 8 drives and a 3ware card, and installed these three. i don't want to have to mount all 8 of those drives again |
| 02:07.20 | abrotman | cr3: you should be using a front-end to remove the packages |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | stew: icky |
| 02:07.48 | stew | oh boy |
| 02:07.53 | hachi | I'm trying to get serial console, xen, lenny, and amd64 all working together |
| 02:07.55 | stew | mdadm: /dev/sda has no superblock - assembly aborted |
| 02:07.59 | hachi | anyone know how to get this up? |
| 02:08.11 | enouf | stew: great |
| 02:08.21 | twobitsprite | hachi: what are you having problems with? |
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| 02:08.41 | stew | enouf: does that mean game over? |
| 02:08.51 | stew | i've never actually tried to use software raid before |
| 02:08.52 | enouf | stew: i can't tell yet |
| 02:09.00 | hachi | twobitsprite: I get through kernel boot to serial console... the machine is up and working via the network |
| 02:09.11 | hachi | but the last message I see on the serial console is: [ 22.647174] suspend: event channel 44 |
| 02:09.20 | cr3 | abrotman: fair enough, so I can rely on apt-get and aptitude to behave properly. that's good enough for me, thanks! :) |
| 02:09.32 | hachi | if I reboot out of xen, the serial console works fine |
| 02:09.37 | twobitsprite | hachi: there's an option to the xenlinux kernel to tell it to use the serial console |
| 02:09.40 | hachi | yes |
| 02:09.43 | hachi | I have that set already |
| 02:09.46 | hachi | it's doing it just fine |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | cr3: as long as your dependencies are correctly listed |
| 02:09.51 | twobitsprite | what is you boot line? |
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| 02:10.18 | hachi | for completeness |
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| 02:11.01 | twobitsprite | maybe you should paste your boot lines (both xen and xenlinux) as well as the boot console log to a pastebin |
| 02:11.19 | hachi | thanks for the ssuggestion |
| 02:11.23 | hachi | I'm already doing that though |
| 02:11.31 | twobitsprite | I gotten this working before, and it is pretty tricky... |
| 02:11.39 | twobitsprite | hachi: :) |
| 02:11.53 | twobitsprite | s/I/I've/ |
| 02:12.18 | hachi | I've got this working on a farm of a ton of other machines |
| 02:12.24 | hachi | none of them are lenny amd64 though |
| 02:12.29 | hachi | and there's something special about this |
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| 02:13.47 | twobitsprite | hachi: I've gotta piss and have a smoke, but I'll be back, just post your paste link when you get it |
| 02:13.58 | hachi | http://nopaste.snit.ch/14968 |
| 02:14.08 | enouf | stew: but you are very familiar with device mapper (LVM) and mdadm uses that, as you know |
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| 02:15.22 | hawiak | whats a amd64 deb line |
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| 02:16.45 | abrotman | !tell hawiak about sources.list |
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| 02:19.18 | hawiak | ..still no idea about the amd64 |
| 02:20.21 | twobitsprite | hachi: linux needs to have "xenconsole=tty0" or something |
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| 02:20.36 | doublehp | enouf: thx. I think DSL will do, with a lot of customisation; custo is very easy ... easier than legacy Knoppix |
| 02:20.41 | hachi | but I'm not using xenconsole=tty0 |
| 02:20.44 | hachi | I'm using ttyS0 |
| 02:20.54 | hachi | serial please, not vga virtual |
| 02:21.01 | twobitsprite | if you're running on xen, you need to use the xenconsole... |
| 02:21.06 | twobitsprite | xen is using ttyS0 |
| 02:24.08 | enouf | doublehp: http://hg.grml.org/grml-live/raw-file/tip/templates/GRML/grml-cheatcodes.txt |
| 02:24.24 | twobitsprite | hachi: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_virtualization/xen_3.0_user_guide/linux_virualization_xen_user_60.html |
| 02:24.42 | hachi | well crap, I was just crawling through that |
| 02:24.43 | hachi | thanks |
| 02:24.47 | enouf | twobitsprite: why?? |
| 02:24.53 | twobitsprite | enouf: why what? |
| 02:25.09 | enouf | twobitsprite: why is it using ttyS0? |
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| 02:25.41 | twobitsprite | enouf: I don't understand |
| 02:25.41 | enouf | hachi: tty0 == /dev/console == current VT |
| 02:25.44 | hachi | twobitsprite: it says the devault is S |
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| 02:25.57 | enouf | hachi: ttyS0 is serial console |
| 02:26.10 | enouf | S == Startup |
| 02:26.14 | hachi | so do I want to set this to tty or ttyS ? |
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| 02:26.35 | hachi | cause ttyS says it's for ttyS0 |
| 02:26.40 | hachi | and I want it to be set to ttyS0 |
| 02:26.47 | hachi | but that's the default as well |
| 02:28.08 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:28.39 | enouf | hachi: all i know is what i mentioned, i never used xen, there is /dev/xconsole as well |
| 02:29.20 | adb | ee |
| 02:29.29 | enouf | hachi: xconsole being X related, not xen related |
| 02:29.40 | twobitsprite | hachi: I'm positive that I had to set xencons=ttyS0 to get it to work before |
| 02:29.54 | enouf | smacks adb with some qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq |
| 02:30.37 | adb | oops , sorry ;) enouf |
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| 02:33.22 | twobitsprite | hachi: this site shows using "console=xvc0" for the linux kernel: http://www.novell.com/support/viewContent.do?externalId=3456486&sliceId=1 |
| 02:33.47 | hachi | see, this is the problem |
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| 02:33.53 | hachi | everything has been in flux |
| 02:34.01 | hachi | so it changes between different versions |
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| 02:35.28 | lunaphyte | am i missing something? it appears that the only packages available for dcc (Distributed Checksum Clearinghouses) are for m68k? |
| 02:35.33 | twobitsprite | yeah... I've never seen the xvc0 thing before, and I've gotten it working with something like xencons=ttyS0 |
| 02:35.51 | enouf | hachi: xen has been migrating into the kernel over time, so you have 3rd party solutions, and recent in-kernel variants .. so |
| 02:36.08 | hachi | yes, I know |
| 02:36.19 | hachi | I came here to find out what variant debian was using |
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| 02:37.00 | hachi | the other fun one is the nosegneg hardware cap bit |
| 02:37.00 | hachi | which changed |
| 02:37.01 | enouf | you obviously haven't been following the debian-kernel mailing list |
| 02:37.03 | hachi | it's 0 on some machines |
| 02:37.15 | hachi | and 1 on newer kernels I think |
| 02:37.54 | enouf | think again |
| 02:38.15 | hachi | twobitsprite: thank you for your input |
| 02:38.51 | hachi | I have set xencons=tty to fix this |
| 02:38.58 | twobitsprite | hachi: and it works? |
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| 02:43.21 | dabreegster | I've set rxvt up to launch without a titlebar and stuff like that, but I don't remember how. It's some config file like .xdefaults but I checked all of those, grepped ~/.* and everything, can't find where I configged it to do that. What are other common places? I also tried /etc/x11/appdefaults |
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| 02:45.33 | twobitsprite | dabreegster: alias? |
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| 02:46.26 | dabreegster | twobitsprite: I'm almost positive the window class was rxvt. i'll try grepping for xterm too, but it only affects rxvt, not konsole and stuff |
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| 02:48.02 | scribeskul | Hey, anyone know how the heck to get an unrar tool to actually work in Lenny? Nothing I have found so far will actually unrar anything |
| 02:48.24 | dabreegster | twobitsprite: Zilch. Where could these settings be put? I cant remember what I did to nuke the titlebar and make it unresizable and immobile |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | you have unrar from non-free ? |
| 02:48.49 | scribeskul | abrotman: yup. doesn't work. I can view rar files, but it fails to extract anything |
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| 02:49.05 | twobitsprite | dabreegster: and it happens when you launch rxvt from a console, not just and icon or something? |
| 02:49.28 | twobitsprite | scribeskul: are you sure it isn't passworded? :) |
| 02:49.33 | scribeskul | abrotman: 7z gives me unsupported method, and unrar gives me just a failed |
| 02:49.47 | scribeskul | abroitman: I've tried it with 5 different .rar's so far |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | scribeskul: sounds like a newer version of rar .. `file foo.rar` |
| 02:50.31 | dabreegster | twobitsprite: ive been doing it from a console. i tried just now from KDE's menu, same thing |
| 02:51.33 | twobitsprite | dabreegster: and typing "alias" doesn't show anything for rxvt? |
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| 02:52.15 | dabreegster | twobitsprite: No, it's launching /usr/bin/rxvt |
| 02:52.54 | scribeskul | abrotman: I hate these proprietary formats.. Why the heck does EVERY DINGLE no cd have to be in .rar... grrrrrr. hehe |
| 02:53.04 | scribeskul | *DINGLE = Single |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | scribeskul: stop pirating software? :) |
| 02:53.18 | dabreegster | scribeskul: unrar from non-free works just fine |
| 02:53.27 | scribeskul | abrotman: I bought the software |
| 02:53.37 | dabreegster | scribeskul: apt-cache policy unrar What version, if any, do you have installed? |
| 02:53.38 | scribeskul | abrotman: playing under wine, you need a nocd |
| 02:54.00 | hawiak | whats a amd64 deb line |
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| 02:54.15 | k-man | has anyone noticed that backspace doesn't work under screen? |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | !tell hawiak about sources.list |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | k-man: works fine for me |
| 02:54.34 | k-man | unless you press shift+backspace |
| 02:54.40 | hawiak | why again the same ? # no 64 there |
| 02:54.43 | k-man | abrotman: which version of screen? |
| 02:54.48 | scribeskul | it says i have none installed |
| 02:54.52 | scribeskul | interesting |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | k-man: every version i've used ? |
| 02:54.59 | dabreegster | k-man: thats a commonish problem for some terminal stuff according to the FAQs, google aorund some or check /usr/share/doc/screen |
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| 02:55.17 | dabreegster | scribeskul: add nonfree to your sources.list and apt-get install unrar |
| 02:55.20 | k-man | abrotman: i used not to have that problem but i noticed it in the last few months |
| 02:55.30 | dabreegster | k-man: what terminal emulator? |
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| 02:55.40 | k-man | putty |
| 02:56.34 | scribeskul | dabreegster: thanks man...i didn't have non-free on the sources..explains it |
| 02:57.17 | k-man | actually, it seems as though backspace is opperating as delete |
| 02:57.44 | scribeskul | abrotman: I bought Dark Messiah and Battle for Middle Earth 2 and for some reason, both of them need no cd's to run under wine 1.1.10... the good news is I got GTA: San Andreas actually running FASTER than onb an XP machine on Lenny with wine 1.1.10 :) |
| 02:57.45 | ekontsevoy | I googled but nothing conclusive... Is it possible to undelete a file on reiser or ext3? I had a 5GB directory that I moved from /home (reiserFS) to /var (ext3) and then did rm -rf on /var/my-dir and now I'm trying to get it back |
| 02:58.13 | abrotman | scribeskul: get a PS3 :) |
| 02:58.22 | k-man | see the weird thing is that backspace works fine from putty if I am not running screen |
| 02:59.15 | scribeskul | abrotman: nahh... I can get everything I want on PS3 to run under Wine, AND that still leaves my TV open to watch Family Guy while I game hehe |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | would opt for watching family guy on PC and games on the tv |
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| 03:10.59 | doublehp | enouf: did you use grml already ? |
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| 03:12.51 | woden | Are PGP keys created with seahorse automatically self-signed? |
| 03:13.28 | scientes | how do i fix it when mdadm fs up my drives http://pastie.org/private/iuz75bzvrdifh9xzhighbg |
| 03:13.47 | scientes | how do i reset it so i can recreate a raid |
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| 03:19.25 | maddash | hi, how do I get my firefox to display chinese characters? for instance, right now I can only see boxes with numbers inside of them when I visit http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#en|zh-CN|me |
| 03:19.50 | scientes | its probably the font |
| 03:20.07 | maddash | font? |
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| 03:20.51 | maddash | the thing is, iceweasel displayed the text perfectly about 2 months ago, and now for some reason it's stopped working. i'm guessing that the package 'localepurge' has something to do with this. |
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| 03:21.20 | woden | Do I need to or should I sign a PGP key that I create with seahorse? |
| 03:21.26 | scientes | you probably changed fonts |
| 03:21.53 | scientes | debian has solid UTF-8 support as fdoes firefox and gnome unless you turn it off for some reason |
| 03:22.09 | maddash | scientes: ok, so how would I change it back? |
| 03:22.13 | scientes | but many fonts do not have UTF-8 glyphs |
| 03:22.24 | scientes | system--> preferances-->appearance-->font |
| 03:22.39 | maddash | scientes: for the non-gnome user? |
| 03:22.44 | scientes | idk |
| 03:22.47 | scientes | i only use gnome |
| 03:22.53 | maddash | :( |
| 03:23.08 | scientes | ask on #kde |
| 03:23.21 | maddash | scientes: rofl. I use neither. |
| 03:23.27 | scientes | oh |
| 03:23.37 | scientes | well then you should know how to fix it :P |
| 03:23.38 | Guerin | !locales |
| 03:23.38 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 03:23.43 | Guerin | maddash: ^^ |
| 03:24.28 | maddash | Guerin: yep, I just finished running that command. do i need to logout/login again? |
| 03:24.31 | abrotman | i thought iceweasel had language packs |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | maddash: yes |
| 03:24.35 | scientes | looks good, but personally i though ofr displaying locals are unneccicary with the wide-spread using of UTF-8 |
| 03:24.53 | maddash | haha, I hope that's my problem |
| 03:24.55 | maddash | brb. |
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| 03:27.37 | maddash | shucks, the logout didn't do it |
| 03:27.42 | scientes | any idea how i remove a raid and start over? |
| 03:27.57 | Bangers | anyone familar with apt-ftparchive? If I add a new package to a pool, and run 'generate' -- will it only pick up the new package? |
| 03:28.26 | scientes | http://pastie.org/private/kwwbfj43rv42js9jrezrqq |
| 03:28.30 | maddash | I don't get it; I pkilled firefox, `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`, selected all the zh-* locales, and logged out/in --- still see the damn boxes |
| 03:29.23 | scientes | what do you use for your desktop environment? |
| 03:29.48 | maddash | scientes: me? icewm. |
| 03:30.40 | scientes | how can they have a window manager home age without images or screenshots? |
| 03:30.43 | maddash | fucking boxes |
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| 03:31.01 | scientes | i still think its your font |
| 03:31.10 | maddash | cycled through all the char encodigs |
| 03:31.21 | scientes | probably a ASCII only font |
| 03:31.39 | maddash | scientes: sure, let's install some chinese fonts |
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| 03:32.26 | abrotman | maddash: firefox or iceweasel ? |
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| 03:33.26 | maddash | abrotman: iceweasel. installed through repo mirror. i call it firefox from habit. |
| 03:33.47 | abrotman | maddash: did you install the iceweasel zh language pack like i said 20 minutes ago ? |
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| 03:33.58 | abrotman | iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn - Chinese (China) language package for Iceweasel |
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| 03:34.31 | maddash | abrotman: hang on |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:35.13 | k-man | abrotman: i found a solution to my screen issue - TERM=screen screen solved it in case you ever encounter the same issue |
| 03:35.24 | maddash | note that I didn't have to install any of these language packs before |
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| 03:35.32 | abrotman | i can see that making a difference .. but i've used putty from win32 and screen .. works perfectly fine |
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| 03:36.24 | xlotlu | whoa 64-bit adobe flash *and* proper handling of transparency and layers... |
| 03:36.56 | abrotman | lies! |
| 03:37.19 | woden | Do I need to or should I sign a PGP key that I created? |
| 03:38.00 | xlotlu | i'll rejoice for a few minutes until i start crying again for a complete gnash |
| 03:43.00 | doublehp | enouf: grml did it :) |
| 03:43.05 | doublehp | bed time :) |
| 03:45.43 | legis | 64bit java plugin, nice ;) |
| 03:47.22 | xlotlu | would've been nice 3 years ago, when there was still java around.. |
| 03:47.25 | Tramp | woden: I have no idea, if you need a key. But upon creation, the public key will automagically be self-signed. |
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| 03:48.13 | woden | Tramp: Yes that was my question. I created a PGP key, and I want to know if it is already signed or if I have to sign it. |
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| 03:49.12 | Gruelius | Hey all, how do i see if my sata disks are spun down or active. hdparm lists them as in standby all the time even when they are active. sdparm gives me "request sense: Fixed format, current; Sense key: Illegal Request" |
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| 03:49.35 | Tramp | woden: if the public part is not self-signed, it is useless. Thus every program creating keys will self-sign. |
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| 03:50.26 | woden | Tramp: What is the point of signing another's public key? |
| 03:51.07 | stew | woden: its the only way you have to establish trust to another key |
| 03:51.08 | Tramp | woden: testifying, that you know that the key belongs to the person identified by this key |
| 03:51.18 | petter | alguien que use debian? |
| 03:51.31 | stew | !es |
| 03:51.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:52.30 | woden | stew, Tramp: If you do not sign another person's public key, then you can't use it? |
| 03:52.34 | stew | woden: for instance, if i was going to use marillat's repositories, i could check that I have a trust path from my key to his in order to know that the packages were come from marillat: http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=BE9BF8DA&TO=1F41B907&PATHS=trust+paths |
| 03:52.34 | Tramp | no. Trust is maintained in a seperate DB and not dependent upon signing a key |
| 03:52.56 | stew | maddash: you can use it to sign and encrypt, you just can use it to get a trust path to something someone else signed |
| 03:53.21 | stew | woden: ^^ |
| 03:53.22 | Tramp | woden: no. If you trust a signature, you can trust the key. There is no need to sign it (not even locally) |
| 03:53.23 | stew | maddash: not you, sorry |
| 03:53.53 | k-man | abrotman: re screen, what can I tell you - it used to work for me and now it doesnt. i have no idea why but there was a few vague bug messages that seemed to indicate a compile time option that would fix it. these were linked to ubuntu bugs reports |
| 03:54.01 | Tramp | woden: but "trusting a signature" means "knowing, that the one who signed properly verified the identity of the subject" |
| 03:54.06 | abrotman | k-man: i blame canada |
| 03:54.15 | k-man | abrotman: ha |
| 03:55.15 | Tramp | woden: that's why you only sign a key, if you have proof of the identity. But you can trust, if you have faith in one (or more) of the persons who already signed. |
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| 03:56.02 | stew | so ignore anyone that signed martin kraft's key :) |
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| 03:56.39 | Tramp | woden: basically "trust" is more complex than "sign" - very loosely spoken. E.g. you can trust, if you have only "marginal trust" in some of the signers. That's even configurable - but a complex subject |
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| 03:56.56 | petter | bn |
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| 03:57.05 | abrotman | there is a #gnupg also .. low traffic though |
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| 03:57.24 | woden | I'm just trying to figure out if there is any functional reason to sign someone else's public key? Why would I want to do that? |
| 03:57.32 | d-b | woden: i will pm you |
| 03:57.46 | woden | d-b: ok |
| 03:57.56 | Tramp | woden: so other people can put trust in the key, because they trust /you/ that you properly verified the identity of the subject |
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| 03:59.02 | stew | woden: if you wanted to upload a package to debian, you'd need to get your key signed by a debian developer so that we know who is uploading packages, for instance |
| 03:59.35 | abrotman | signs stew's package |
| 03:59.59 | woden | So, other than being just a way to say "I trust this key", it really does nothing? I could just as well keep an excel spreadsheet with little notes saying "I trust this key"...? |
| 04:00.17 | abrotman | but how do you know i didn't alter your spreadsheet?! |
| 04:00.20 | stew | woden: i could sign a document and sign it, and you could have a much better confidence that it was really sent by me by checking who has signed my key, and how you might have a trust path to one of the signers |
| 04:00.56 | woden | abrotman: So if the file is altered, then the signature is invalid. |
| 04:01.02 | d-b | woden: yes. |
| 04:01.14 | abrotman | woden: which signature? |
| 04:01.28 | woden | But, the file is already encrypted with the public key. If it were altered, it wouldn't decrypt correctly with your private key, yea? |
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| 04:02.10 | abrotman | it's your file, not mine |
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| 04:03.02 | stew | woden: see the url i sent you. you have no way of uploading your spreadsheet to be included in the web of trust |
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| 04:03.49 | Gruelius | Hi all, how do i check/change the power status of ->SATA<- harddisks? Thanks |
| 04:04.40 | legis | Can find any docs for the vnc mozilla plugin and the project website is down, anyone know how to use it? |
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| 04:05.38 | xlotlu | Gruelius: hdparm |
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| 04:08.22 | drraid | is ftp.debian.org down? |
| 04:08.37 | stew | drraid: no, why? |
| 04:08.46 | drraid | I can't reach it |
| 04:08.54 | drraid | but can reach any other arbitrary address |
| 04:08.58 | stew | drraid: you shouldn't use it anyway, use a mirror |
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| 04:09.02 | stew | drraid: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 04:09.09 | drraid | I have 130.89.149.226 for ftp.debian.org |
| 04:09.12 | drraid | what do you recommend? |
| 04:09.22 | drraid | its ofcourse also possible i'm being mitm'd |
| 04:09.29 | stew | drraid: i recommend you pick a mirror from the mirrors list that is in your country |
| 04:09.40 | drraid | Heh, but the mirror list is on debian.org, right? |
| 04:09.48 | stew | drraid: yes, why? |
| 04:09.50 | drraid | which is like the whole "you need to download your modem driver to get online" problem |
| 04:09.57 | drraid | i can't reach any of debian.org |
| 04:10.02 | stew | drraid: debian.org is a different machine |
| 04:10.09 | stew | drraid: so you have a dns problem |
| 04:10.30 | drraid | i must. |
| 04:10.36 | stew | well, except ftp.debian.org's address is correct |
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| 04:11.02 | srbaker | folks |
| 04:11.11 | stew | drraid: www.debian.org doesn't work either? |
| 04:11.20 | drraid | no |
| 04:11.26 | drraid | stew: no it does not |
| 04:11.27 | srbaker | i'm in package downloading (graphical installer) and i realize i've chosen a very slow mirror |
| 04:11.29 | stew | drraid: nor does debian.org? |
| 04:11.34 | srbaker | is it possible to cancel and re-select? |
| 04:11.40 | drraid | correct, stew |
| 04:11.51 | drraid | what is interesting is that i can reach gluck |
| 04:12.10 | stew | drraid: gluck is debian.org |
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| 04:12.18 | drraid | thats why its interesting ;( |
| 04:12.47 | stew | drraid: what does "getent hosts debian.org" return? |
| 04:13.03 | drraid | 192.25.206.10 debian.org |
| 04:13.07 | drraid | and when i http://192.25.206.10 debian.org |
| 04:13.19 | drraid | err sorry, when i http directly to that address, i get gluck |
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| 04:13.35 | drraid | im guessing is the default for that ip being specified as the host in the http header? |
| 04:13.44 | stew | drraid: try a different browser |
| 04:13.56 | drraid | could i be "host" denied for debian.org on that server? |
| 04:14.01 | drraid | same issue, now in epiphany |
| 04:14.04 | drraid | brb tryin IE in vm |
| 04:14.20 | drraid | same thing. |
| 04:14.21 | stew | drraid: are you using an http proxy? |
| 04:14.24 | stew | should you be? |
| 04:14.24 | drraid | No. |
| 04:14.26 | drraid | No |
| 04:14.26 | drraid | LoL |
| 04:18.04 | woden | There is an option in Evolution "Always sign outgoing messages when using this account". If I sign an outgoing message with my PGP Key, how would anyone else be able to decrypt it? |
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| 04:18.15 | brandon_ | this is scary |
| 04:18.16 | brandon_ | :( |
| 04:18.45 | Circuitsoft | Signing doesn't encrypt. |
| 04:18.56 | Circuitsoft | It only adds some text at the end to verify that it's you. |
| 04:19.09 | Circuitsoft | If they have the necessary software and a copy of your public key, they can verify that it's from you. |
| 04:19.19 | Circuitsoft | Otherwise, they can ignore it. |
| 04:19.44 | woden | I thought that only my private key could decrypt stuff that was encrypted with my public key? |
| 04:20.03 | Circuitsoft | Your private key is necessary to decrypt things encrypted with your public key. |
| 04:20.05 | woden | And, why would that option about signing messages appear under the PGP Key section, if signing didn't involve encryption? |
| 04:20.15 | Circuitsoft | However, your public key can be used to verify things signed with your private key. |
| 04:20.21 | brandon_ | signing is the same math process as encrypting, woden |
| 04:20.26 | brandon_ | to be pedantic |
| 04:20.37 | brandon_ | you're just "encrypting" with the wrong key, on a hash |
| 04:20.53 | stew | woden: what section would you put signing messages with a pgp key if not in the pgp key section? |
| 04:21.00 | brandon_ | stew: i am drraid btw |
| 04:21.05 | brandon_ | I just rejoined and cant get my nick back |
| 04:21.19 | brandon_ | something happened which locked me up and rebooted me |
| 04:21.26 | brandon_ | now i am really concerned. |
| 04:21.27 | woden | stew: Circuitsoft said that "Signing doesn't encrypt" so I was confused as to why, then, it would appear under the section for PGP keys in Evolution. |
| 04:21.50 | stew | woden: becuase you are signing with a pgp key |
| 04:21.51 | Circuitsoft | Signing leaves your message available to be viewed by all, but it still requires pgp. |
| 04:21.55 | brandon_ | woden: signing is a cryptographic process, similar to encryption |
| 04:22.04 | brandon_ | if you would like some good reading references I can recommend some |
| 04:22.13 | doublehp | woden: GPG deals with a level of math that could give headick to any mathematician. My way to look at it: it took several thouthands year before we find how to do it, and, it uses a part of math that did not require computing to evoluate. |
| 04:22.29 | Circuitsoft | Signing hashes the message, then encrypts the hash, and puts it at the end. |
| 04:22.54 | Circuitsoft | When someone receives it, they can use your public key to decrypt the signature at the end and see that the hash matches the message. |
| 04:22.56 | doublehp | woden: thus, PGP is the conclusion of several thouthands years of evolution; you are not to "understand" it in a few seconds. things are possible, accept this fact. |
| 04:23.03 | woden | So, if I sign my outgoing email with my public key, the recipient would verify the validity of my signature by using a copy of my public key? |
| 04:23.17 | brandon_ | doublehp i feel that description is harsh and innacurate |
| 04:23.18 | doublehp | woden: fact is: you sign with your private key, and i check with your public key. |
| 04:23.21 | Circuitsoft | You sign it with your private key, then they use your public key to verify it. |
| 04:23.24 | brandon_ | the process can be described fairly easily |
| 04:23.27 | brandon_ | without a math degree. |
| 04:23.53 | Circuitsoft | Take a message |
| 04:23.55 | Circuitsoft | Sign it. |
| 04:23.57 | esthar | Is there a way to make df show base 2 values and not base 10 ones? |
| 04:23.58 | Circuitsoft | with your private key. |
| 04:24.05 | Circuitsoft | Then, your public key can verify it's validity. |
| 04:24.13 | Circuitsoft | If it's modified, it will not verify against your public key. |
| 04:24.37 | Circuitsoft | esthar, I think df -h will |
| 04:24.44 | brandon_ | woden, look at it this way: one key can be used to validate content which was "encrypted" with the other. You sign with your private, so that people with your public can validate. People sending you email "encrypt" with your public, so you can decrypt with your private key |
| 04:24.52 | woden | Circuitsoft: The person would first have to have my public key. If I don't want to use a public key server, I can just send it to them manually, right? |
| 04:24.56 | doublehp | brandon there is a difference between describing with hands, and, being able to tehnically proov PGP can do what you described |
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| 04:25.06 | esthar | Ohh I was using df -H |
| 04:25.07 | Circuitsoft | Yes. |
| 04:25.07 | esthar | Thanks Circuitsoft |
| 04:25.12 | Circuitsoft | wooden: yet. |
| 04:25.14 | Circuitsoft | *Yes |
| 04:25.18 | woden | Got it |
| 04:25.23 | brandon_ | doublehp: he doesn't need to understand the mechanics of the discrete log problem to get pgp, though |
| 04:25.25 | Circuitsoft | But there's no reason to not upload your public key to a keyserver |
| 04:25.27 | woden | Makes sense at least on a conceptual level. |
| 04:25.38 | brandon_ | so to say its this complex problem just complicates his individual question. |
| 04:26.15 | Circuitsoft | Anyone here familiar with dpkg-buildpackage and dpkg-shlibdeps? |
| 04:26.40 | woden | Does web-based mail handle pgp, or does this require a mail client program? |
| 04:26.41 | Circuitsoft | Trying to build a mythtv package. Getting "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" |
| 04:27.03 | brandon_ | security might be a better channel for proper answers, imho, woden |
| 04:27.05 | nullboy | woden: i use thunderbird + enigmail to access gmail anduse gpg |
| 04:27.09 | doublehp | woden: 4y ago, i did not find any ; it is complex for security reasons; but not compleetely impossible |
| 04:27.44 | Circuitsoft | woden: I've found firefox extensions that will put signed/encrypted messages into webmail forms. |
| 04:27.48 | brandon_ | there are browser-based implementations that exist in javascript,.. its better to have actual code on your hands instead of trusting what the webserver sends you each time, though |
| 04:28.07 | brandon_ | stew: are you still around? |
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| 04:28.35 | doublehp | woden: i dont think any team will devlop one before years. Incomings are hudge: wheret to store the private key ? on server ... client needs to trust the server (what is by definition, never the case when dealing PGP) ; locally ? you need heavy Java or JS programs to encrypt locally ... what is tricky. |
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| 04:28.54 | maddash | scientes_: you were right. fonts were the problem. once I installed them, the chinese chars showed up fine. |
| 04:29.21 | maddash | abrotman, Guerin: had nothing to do with locales, language packs, or any of those bells and whistles |
| 04:29.31 | scientes_ | glad you fixed it |
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| 04:32.51 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 04:33.53 | drraid | wow something messy is happening on my network |
| 04:33.58 | nullboy | no it's my nullvoid |
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| 04:35.58 | woden | What is a good enough password strength? |
| 04:36.15 | d-b | woden: >20 characters |
| 04:36.25 | woden | 8-| |
| 04:36.28 | d-b | with many kinds of characters |
| 04:36.39 | d-b | ah symbols |
| 04:38.48 | woden | Funny guy |
| 04:39.33 | woden | >20 is not good enough to defeat alien technology |
| 04:40.06 | d-b | woden: i'm not joking |
| 04:40.15 | maddash | woden: biometrics, dude |
| 04:40.16 | d-b | + you should have your gpg keys on offline media. |
| 04:40.27 | drraid | eh |
| 04:40.32 | drraid | meh |
| 04:40.38 | d-b | maddash: great can i buy you a drink, just remember to wear gloves ^^ |
| 04:40.42 | woden | d-b: Department of Defense standard is 14 |
| 04:40.51 | drraid | i personally dont think it reduces attack surface unless you do all crypto on a sneakernet |
| 04:41.07 | drraid | otherwise someone whos owned your box will get your key when you plug in your offline media |
| 04:41.09 | woden | d-b: 14 for clearance level Secret. Unclass is 10. |
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| 04:41.26 | drraid | 10? thats awful |
| 04:41.26 | d-b | drraid: mmm. live cd boot |
| 04:41.33 | drraid | d-b: wont stop you from being owned. |
| 04:41.43 | sherl0ck | can anyone pastebin me the file /etc/init.d/hdparm ? |
| 04:41.49 | drraid | d-b: i'd argue a live CD ensures you will not be patched to the latest attacks |
| 04:41.59 | d-b | this is offtopic. ^^ |
| 04:42.13 | drraid | true, as is gpg as far is debian is concerned. |
| 04:42.17 | drraid | i recommended #security a while back |
| 04:42.20 | drraid | heh |
| 04:43.06 | woden | Maybe Debian has a sore spot since SSL vulnerability that is why you suggest > 20 |
| 04:43.29 | maddash | int random() { return 4;}? |
| 04:43.33 | d-b | woden: ???? ah ... no and a >20 pass. wouldn't protect you against weak encryption. |
| 04:43.44 | drraid | woden: no, look up password strengh and entropy |
| 04:43.52 | drraid | amount of characters vs character diverity, etc |
| 04:45.01 | doublehp | woden: any password <8c can be cracked in a few hours. By any ~ P3 1GHz. A good password starts at 12c, mixing ALL kinds of symbols (caps, mins, nums, punctuation, and possible special chars ... when possible ... ). Up to 10c, a dictionary, or even an exhaustive attack can break in a few days, even on remote server. |
| 04:45.09 | woden | 10 characters with 2 of each type minimum should defeat everything except for secret alien technology, yea? |
| 04:45.12 | doublehp | woden: I am regularly victim of such attacks |
| 04:45.22 | drraid | woden: no |
| 04:45.28 | drraid | woden: lol certainly not. |
| 04:45.47 | d-b | doublehp: what are you on about .... |
| 04:46.15 | drraid | woden: you aren't truely getting 2^10, since you can't type a significant amount of the bitspace from your keybaord |
| 04:46.19 | drraid | keyboard, rather |
| 04:46.29 | doublehp | woden: minc+caps+nums = 66 chars ... cryptographically, the complexity is only 6 to 4 bits per char. |
| 04:46.49 | drraid | err woops |
| 04:46.54 | drraid | what i just said was bogus |
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| 04:47.49 | woden | So why does pwgen default to 8 characters? |
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| 04:48.14 | doublehp | woden: thus, 8c = only 32b value ... only 2^32 worth |
| 04:48.15 | drraid | legacy? I would imagine? |
| 04:48.17 | drraid | right |
| 04:48.41 | drraid | wait no |
| 04:49.04 | drraid | 8char is not a 32bit value. its 64. but it is due to legacy old school systems |
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| 04:49.29 | doublehp | woden: because people use e more often than Z ... e has low value ... thats why 8c is far less worth than 64b: only around 32. and, 2^32 is way faster to "buy" than 2^64 ... |
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| 04:50.27 | drraid | doublehp: letter frequency in english isnt letter availability, though |
| 04:51.36 | woden | doublehp: But, I am assuming a totally random set of 8 characters |
| 04:52.09 | woden | doublehp: You are assuming that it is not random... |
| 04:52.18 | doublehp | drraid: stats are stats ! in my computing club, they attacked the shadow file, with an AMD 1G, on 130 users: we found 50 in 2 days ( what is less than 1h per user !!! ) and 20 more in coming 5 days |
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| 04:52.57 | doublehp | woden: ASCII table only allows use of 7 bits per char :) => 2^(7*8) ... still not very good |
| 04:53.02 | drraid | here's a better way to look at it: the printable character set is between decimal values 32 and 126, leaving 95 possibilities per character. 95 is a lot lot less than the 255 per 8bit char. |
| 04:53.03 | hachi | twobitsprite: regarding my earlier xen kernel console stuff, it's somewhat fixed... I can login on the serial console now... which is an improvement. I assume thereis a more correct answer and I will seek it out |
| 04:53.08 | drraid | you're really looking at 95^ 8 |
| 04:53.10 | hachi | but for now this is good enough to get me going |
| 04:53.14 | drraid | or 6634204312890625 |
| 04:53.26 | drraid | instead of 18446744073709551616 |
| 04:53.51 | doublehp | woden: even randomly generated passwords ... 8c are still weak. |
| 04:54.00 | drraid | 8c are very weak |
| 04:54.04 | drraid | woden, who is your adversary |
| 04:54.09 | drraid | if you dont mind me asking? |
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| 04:54.36 | drraid | wb, d-b |
| 04:54.41 | woden | drraid: I don't like that question. It's like people that see your evil black rifle and ask "What do you need *THAT* for?"... |
| 04:54.47 | drraid | No woden |
| 04:54.53 | drraid | LoL I have many evil black rifles. |
| 04:54.59 | drraid | My point is you need to consider the risk |
| 04:55.05 | woden | low risk |
| 04:55.10 | drraid | for almost any adversary, 8c is weak/. |
| 04:55.15 | Guerin | woden: and it's a fair question. Not that you have to answer it. |
| 04:55.28 | drraid | For a decent, well funded adversary, 10-14 is still fairly weak. |
| 04:55.28 | woden | Guerin: Yea agreed |
| 04:55.45 | doublehp | woden: I have a 12c password; an attack found it in one shot. Why ? I presume a keyboard scanner on wome windows i have been, or a MITM when connecting home from remote computer ... |
| 04:55.46 | drraid | woden: for a determined adversary, you need an epic novel consisting of 26 chapters and 17 nordic gods as your password. |
| 04:55.58 | woden | drraid: Typing 14 characters every time you login, etc, gets kind of annoying though? |
| 04:56.05 | drraid | Not for me |
| 04:56.06 | karsten | I tend to use 10+ characters. Fan of pwgen for generating them. |
| 04:56.10 | doublehp | woden: my password could have been 30c, that guy would have taken it the same way |
| 04:56.12 | Guerin | woden: nah, not really. It's easier if it's not random, though. |
| 04:56.12 | drraid | I have a +25 char bootup crypto password |
| 04:56.19 | drraid | and +20 per-volume crypto password |
| 04:56.19 | nullboy | i use 14 usually |
| 04:56.32 | karsten | woden: I type a bunch of characters *plus* a randome six digit generated number much of the time. |
| 04:56.47 | drraid | Guerin: i agree, that having a highly unpredictable long sentence, with a few additional characters sprinkled in is better than a random string |
| 04:56.48 | doublehp | woden: never been victim of virus; been hacked only once ! and i have no clue how. Only can presume MITM or keyscan when not home |
| 04:56.51 | drraid | for memory, and for entropy sake |
| 04:56.53 | karsten | woden: Even longish passwords get into finger memory pretty quickly. |
| 04:57.08 | Guerin | a bigger problem is password blur |
| 04:57.14 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 04:57.30 | Guerin | that is, when you have a bunch of long complicated passwords and get your orders, cases, or some sections of the passwoird mixed up between them |
| 04:57.48 | karsten | Guerin: I generally have some sort of (*encrypted) password safe. |
| 04:57.57 | Guerin | necessitating the post-it password safe (TM) |
| 04:58.00 | drraid | Guerin: i hate that problem |
| 04:58.01 | Guerin | karsten: heh. |
| 04:58.23 | karsten | Guerin: ... and for most sites, I don't even know my password. I'm at the point of trusting my broswer or wallet manager. |
| 04:58.32 | woden | I wonder why seahorse (GNOME's GPG front end) considered my password to be max strength....it was only 10 characters. |
| 04:58.40 | Guerin | karsten: you're not enough of a control freak. Try harder. |
| 04:58.43 | drraid | Anyway, woden, there's many attacks that might have discerned your password. Emanation analysis, accoustic analysis, plaintext transmission + interception, key logging, drunken rampage, etc. |
| 04:58.58 | karsten | Guerin: I don't have a password on the box this IRC session originates on. |
| 04:59.00 | doublehp | Guerin: a post it with over 20 passwords is safer :) |
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| 04:59.25 | doublehp | 20 times longer to try them all :) |
| 04:59.31 | drraid | Guerin: the trick might be to have your "release the thermite" password be written on a post-it by your keyboard ;P |
| 04:59.47 | maddash | 我爱你|
| 04:59.53 | maddash | did it work? |
| 04:59.56 | woden | yes |
| 04:59.58 | Guerin | maddash: yes. |
| 05:00.03 | maddash | score! |
| 05:00.07 | karsten | has been known to leave slips of paper with generated but unused passwords lying around. |
| 05:00.10 | Guerin | !win maddash |
| 05:00.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, maddash! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:00.21 | karsten | drraid: bingo! |
| 05:00.31 | drraid | has been known to disclose passwords to strippers, at conferences |
| 05:00.37 | karsten | sells maddash's prize to the IL guv. |
| 05:01.00 | karsten | drraid: ... before or after accepting unknown USB keys from them? |
| 05:01.10 | Guerin | `usb keys' |
| 05:01.17 | drraid | karsten: between the USB key and letting them plug into the firewire port, actually |
| 05:01.28 | drraid | but always before the coldboot |
| 05:01.41 | woden | So, if I consider any adversary a low risk, what is a sensible password length (assuming numbers, specials, uppers, lowers)? |
| 05:01.49 | drraid | woden: 14 |
| 05:01.54 | drraid | but im paranoid. |
| 05:01.54 | Guerin | 10 |
| 05:01.55 | karsten | drraid: Ah. "plug into the firewire". So *that* is what the kids are calling it these days. |
| 05:02.04 | drraid | karsten: lolol |
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| 05:03.16 | woden | Are there metrics published on how long it takes to crack a random 10 character password? |
| 05:03.21 | drraid | yes woden |
| 05:03.44 | maddash | oooooooh heroes!!!!!!! |
| 05:04.04 | drraid | HttpErrors://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength |
| 05:04.16 | drraid | I dont know how "Errors" got in there. |
| 05:04.25 | woden | encrypt your clipboard! |
| 05:04.27 | drraid | I am starting to become concerned with the safty of my system |
| 05:04.31 | woden | 8-| |
| 05:04.34 | doublehp | woden: the mathematical complexity of an algo, or a passphrase is one thing. But, 3/4 attacks are not brut force; in the best case they use dics; the easiest remains to spy the user: know his wife's name, birthdate, get a camera on keyboard ... |
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| 05:04.53 | doublehp | woden: the security is not only your password, but all your "way of life" |
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| 05:08.05 | woden | Currently, distributed.net estimates that cracking a 72-bit key using current hardware will take about 403,784.9 days or 1,105.5 years. |
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| 05:09.03 | doublehp | woden: in which year ? using a standaone womputer ? or a farm considering all computers on the earth ? |
| 05:09.20 | doublehp | woden: "curent hardware" is VERY much ambiguous |
| 05:09.22 | woden | Due to currently understood limitations from fundamental physics, there is no expectation that any digital computer (or combination) will be capable of breaking 128-bit or 256-bit encryption via a brute-force attack. |
| 05:09.31 | Guerin | womputer! |
| 05:09.53 | doublehp | on my board, w is close to c |
| 05:09.59 | drraid | woden: you just wait until they get the flux capacitor working: then think about your password strength |
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| 05:10.48 | doublehp | drraid: french teams work on quantic computing. they factorised 16 in one cycle in january 2002 |
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| 05:11.00 | TCW | hi |
| 05:11.05 | drraid | doublehp: yeah thats for public key crypto tho |
| 05:11.10 | woden | Says that, using the original ASCII character set, as 12-character random password would be almost 80-bits. In other words, unbreakable by brute force according to what we know about physics today. |
| 05:11.20 | drraid | doublehp: keys for factoring require much less time than bruting the same space |
| 05:11.43 | drraid | doublehp: a little bird told me with the right asics, its about 3 months to crack a 1024bit key |
| 05:11.48 | doublehp | woden: with how many computers on the run ??? |
| 05:12.03 | woden | doublehp: any digital computer (or combination) |
| 05:12.08 | drraid | doublehp: RSA key that is |
| 05:12.10 | doublehp | woden: we break 250b RSA in 1 week ! |
| 05:12.23 | drraid | doublehp: RSA is far far different though |
| 05:12.30 | drraid | doublehp: factoring is a much different problem |
| 05:12.34 | drraid | doublehp: with many shortcuts |
| 05:12.40 | drraid | so i've heard. |
| 05:12.42 | woden | doublehp: Did you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength#Bit_strength_threshold |
| 05:12.55 | drraid | you two are comparing apples and oranges |
| 05:13.02 | doublehp | woden: considering we put a few thouthands actual computers together ? all manifactured comps in network ? |
| 05:13.11 | TCW | what do I have to do if xev does not output anything for a (special multimedia keyboard) key, but cat /dev/input/eventN does? I need to map some up to now "unknown" keys to keycodes so I can use them with keytouch (a-c show keytouch). Any hints? |
| 05:13.54 | woden | doublehp: That is what wikipedia says. Any combination of computers (including all of them put together) cannot crack 128-bit with brute force. |
| 05:14.13 | drraid | brb |
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| 05:14.20 | TCW | after googleing I have the strong impression most (if not all) I found is severly outdated... |
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| 05:18.58 | drraid | is it possible an IP of mine could be blacklisted from debian? |
| 05:19.09 | drraid | for too much apt activity |
| 05:19.11 | drraid | in the last 24 hours? |
| 05:19.32 | drraid | i just switched networks and got updates just fine |
| 05:19.35 | mue_ | you hsould be able to do this for yourself? |
| 05:19.46 | drraid | what? |
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| 05:19.58 | mue_ | restricting access |
| 05:20.01 | drraid | No i dont want to be blacklisted |
| 05:20.02 | drraid | LoL |
| 05:20.09 | drraid | I am asking if debian.org may have added me |
| 05:20.18 | drraid | to some blacklist |
| 05:20.40 | mue_ | o0 |
| 05:21.02 | f00li5h | meow |
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| 05:21.34 | f00li5h | is there a way i can have my box start an apt-cache during install, so that the first time I install modules they are cached locally, and can be made available to other boxen? |
| 05:21.55 | woden | Each symbol counts for 6.5 bits? |
| 05:22.09 | drraid | woden: right. because you only get 95 printable chars. |
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| 05:22.23 | drraid | well, as a result i should say, you only get 95 printable chars |
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| 05:23.21 | woden | drraid: On a US 104 |
| 05:23.29 | woden | May be less on other keyboards, no? |
| 05:23.38 | karsten | f00li5h: Um, you can install apt-proxy. It IIRC defaults to seeding the proxy from the host's own apt cache (/var/cache/apt/archives/) |
| 05:23.58 | karsten | f00li5h: I think that's the answer to the question you meant to ask. |
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| 05:24.31 | drraid | woden: if you have some special keyboard, or way to access the nonprintable chars (such as alt-key tricks, etc), then you could probably get the whole set available |
| 05:25.05 | drraid | woden: again it comes down to your adversary |
| 05:25.09 | woden | So is it actually 94 printable or in reality is it less? |
| 05:25.18 | drraid | 95 i believe |
| 05:25.20 | woden | drraid: adversary for my consideration is a brute force attack |
| 05:25.32 | f00li5h | karsten: that does sound like a good answer to the question i thought I asked, yes |
| 05:25.37 | drraid | woden: how well funded of a brute force attack? |
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| 05:26.00 | woden | drraid: the usual....FBI, NSA, CIA, whatever... |
| 05:26.10 | drraid | loL woden |
| 05:26.18 | woden | 8-| |
| 05:26.19 | drraid | woden: brute force doesnt matter to two of those |
| 05:26.30 | drraid | if they want your box they'll just pop it. |
| 05:26.39 | woden | encrypted volume |
| 05:26.44 | drraid | ? |
| 05:26.45 | drraid | again |
| 05:26.50 | drraid | same problem. |
| 05:27.01 | drraid | pop the box, and then read your key as you type it in |
| 05:27.05 | karsten | f00li5h: apt-proxy will feed multiple boxen from one set of downloaded packages. Updates are restricted (so you won't fetch a new package even if it's been updated, I think 6 hours is the default retention. It's a great way for limiting your outbound bandwith utilization if you've got a lot of hosts. |
| 05:27.06 | drraid | to decrypt the volume |
| 05:27.21 | woden | drraid: oh, you mean coercing me to reveal the passphrase? |
| 05:27.23 | drraid | HttpErrors://drraid.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-crypto-sucks.html |
| 05:27.41 | karsten | woden: Rubber-hose cryptanalysis is highly underappreciated. |
| 05:27.42 | drraid | apparently the word Errors shows up in my clipboard |
| 05:27.46 | drraid | karsten: agreed |
| 05:27.58 | karsten | woden: social engineering is another popular tack. |
| 05:28.01 | woden | drraid: That is outside the scope of my consideration though...I just want to consider brute force only. |
| 05:28.21 | drraid | woden that is impractical. |
| 05:28.47 | woden | drraid: No, I mean, for the purposes of this discussion...in order to isolate the point. |
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| 05:29.55 | karsten | woden: Wouldn't the BKA be more your concern than FBI? |
| 05:29.57 | drraid | woden: I don't know what to recommend. I'm a huge fan of overkill, i wo uld say 20+ chars, lots of randomness |
| 05:30.35 | drraid | ThI$m!gh7b3_a_g00d_ex4mple#? |
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| 05:30.58 | drraid | etc. |
| 05:31.03 | BarnacleBob | i have a question about static routs in the /etc/network/interfaces file. i have a route that does not have a gateway "up rotue add -net 174.36.28.8/29 dev eth1" but the network restart keeps giving me errors "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address SIOCADDRT: File exists Failed to bring up eth1." all the documentation i see for routes in interfaces file show a gateway. does it |
| 05:31.03 | BarnacleBob | support a route that does nt have a gateway? just a device/ |
| 05:31.57 | woden | karsten: What's the BKA? I was just throwing out some alphabet letter agencies arbitrarily. |
| 05:31.58 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Sounds like you're trying to define routes on an interface that's not configured yet or doesn't have modules loaded. |
| 05:32.19 | karsten | woden: Bundeskriminalamt |
| 05:32.28 | drraid | ? |
| 05:32.32 | woden | Who is Festerr? |
| 05:32.34 | drraid | is that the Turkish Police? |
| 05:32.35 | BarnacleBob | karsten hrm let me paste my interfaces file |
| 05:32.46 | karsten | drraid: Deutsch. |
| 05:32.48 | drraid | ah |
| 05:32.54 | karsten | !tell BarnacleBob about paster |
| 05:32.55 | drraid | HttpErrors://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-10069776-46.html |
| 05:32.58 | drraid | is why i ask |
| 05:33.03 | BarnacleBob | haha yeah i know about a paster :) |
| 05:33.03 | woden | karsten: You looking at me? |
| 05:33.06 | drraid | apparently the "errors" is added by my client |
| 05:33.09 | BarnacleBob | sorry to scare you :) |
| 05:33.19 | karsten | woden: Yes. Please smile. |
| 05:33.26 | drraid | is going to post his locate.db |
| 05:33.29 | drraid | brb |
| 05:33.32 | Circuitsoft | !tell Circuitsoft about paster |
| 05:33.33 | drraid | lolol |
| 05:33.38 | drraid | !tell drraid to stfu |
| 05:33.46 | karsten | !tell Circuitsoft about self-tell |
| 05:33.48 | drraid | oh wow dpjg didnt like that |
| 05:33.56 | drraid | No, drraid, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 05:33.59 | drraid | Can I audit that app? |
| 05:34.04 | drraid | =D |
| 05:34.06 | TCW | .oO( dpkg-bot-abuse? *g* ) |
| 05:34.24 | BarnacleBob | karsten http://rafb.net/p/GhOmXF16.html |
| 05:34.50 | BarnacleBob | and i get those errors when i do /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 05:34.52 | woden | karsten: Okay I am friendly :) |
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| 05:35.14 | karsten | woden: We haff vays of makingk you .. |
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| 05:35.17 | karsten | woden: ... smile. |
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| 05:35.48 | karsten | BarnacleBob: 'xxx' isn't a valid gateway address. |
| 05:36.01 | drraid | sure it is. |
| 05:36.04 | BarnacleBob | karsten yes, i just don't want to paste my ipblock onto the internet |
| 05:36.10 | drraid | dont be so prejudicial |
| 05:36.12 | karsten | BarnacleBob: OK. |
| 05:36.19 | drraid | loL |
| 05:36.29 | karsten | drraid: Ok, but only at hustler and playboy.com |
| 05:36.45 | drraid | haha |
| 05:36.46 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Which IFs cause the problem? |
| 05:36.51 | BarnacleBob | eth1 |
| 05:37.07 | BarnacleBob | the up rotue add -net 174.36.x.yyy/29 dev eth1 is the only thing i added |
| 05:37.12 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Um. 174.36 isn't on the 174.35 subnet. |
| 05:37.21 | BarnacleBob | yes i know |
| 05:37.25 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Certainly not with that netmask. |
| 05:37.27 | BarnacleBob | but the ips are available out of that network card |
| 05:37.28 | drraid | wow i cant view rafb either |
| 05:37.30 | drraid | something funny is going on |
| 05:37.38 | drraid | who hosts rafb? |
| 05:37.48 | BarnacleBob | there are 2 subnets available on this vlan/eth interface |
| 05:37.48 | TCW | whois rafb.net? |
| 05:38.03 | drraid | yes yes tcw thank you |
| 05:38.15 | drraid | when do I take my inet 101 final? |
| 05:38.20 | karsten | BarnacleBob: There isn't a gateway you can specify on 174.35.x.x? |
| 05:38.34 | BarnacleBob | nope |
| 05:38.37 | BarnacleBob | and i just found the problem |
| 05:38.44 | BarnacleBob | rotue |
| 05:38.46 | BarnacleBob | not route |
| 05:38.47 | BarnacleBob | :) |
| 05:38.48 | drraid | oh i thought |
| 05:38.52 | drraid | that was a typ |
| 05:38.52 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Share. |
| 05:38.54 | drraid | *typo |
| 05:38.58 | drraid | in your description |
| 05:38.58 | karsten | hands BarnacleBob a route. |
| 05:39.06 | BarnacleBob | karsten lol thanks much for the help :) |
| 05:39.11 | karsten | Yeah. OK, just saw that ;-) |
| 05:39.21 | drraid | i saw that originally and just assumed |
| 05:39.24 | drraid | it was hand-copied |
| 05:39.26 | drraid | ;/ |
| 05:39.33 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Sometimes it just takes a second set of eyes even if they don't see it. |
| 05:39.38 | BarnacleBob | hehe. some days things just run away from you :) |
| 05:39.49 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Story of my life. |
| 05:39.54 | karsten | ... especially dating. |
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| 05:40.20 | BarnacleBob | hurk |
| 05:40.24 | BarnacleBob | no way. still getting that error |
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| 05:40.49 | BarnacleBob | ah i see |
| 05:40.53 | BarnacleBob | its not a problem with that line |
| 05:40.54 | karsten | BarnacleBob: check your routes, clear everything and bring up your interfaces. |
| 05:40.57 | BarnacleBob | its some other problem with the file |
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| 05:42.52 | BarnacleBob | it seems like its not bringing down eth1 before it brings it up again |
| 05:43.00 | BarnacleBob | but i really can't tell |
| 05:43.03 | BarnacleBob | cause i'm ssh'ed in |
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| 05:45.10 | SuperPhly | Should debian have a json entry in the mime.types file? |
| 05:45.29 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Can you bring up another interface or alias that interface? |
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| 05:46.33 | BarnacleBob | well yeah latter on in the file it brings up eth1:1 through eth1:4 and they come up just fine |
| 05:46.47 | BarnacleBob | is there a certain place i should put the route command? |
| 05:47.08 | karsten | BarnacleBob: Perhaps in a post-up line? |
| 05:48.08 | BarnacleBob | karsten didn't seem to do anything |
| 05:48.14 | karsten | BarnacleBob: See /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples//network-interfaces.gz |
| 05:48.33 | karsten | BarnacleBob: There's a bunch of different configs layed out there. |
| 05:48.45 | BarnacleBob | awesome this should help |
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| 05:51.55 | betz-- | how do i update all software once? I think its something with aptitude |
| 05:54.54 | Circuitsoft | betz-- |
| 05:54.57 | woden | aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 05:55.00 | woden | yes? |
| 05:55.01 | Circuitsoft | Pres "u" then "U" |
| 05:55.07 | betz-- | ah thanx |
| 05:56.15 | karsten | betz--: what woden said. |
| 05:56.23 | betz-- | ok |
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| 05:57.58 | Circuitsoft | It appears that fglrx-glx has installed a broken symbolic link that's preventing dpkg-shlibdeps from running properly. |
| 05:58.16 | karsten | Circuitsoft: How'd you install fglrx-glx? |
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| 05:58.29 | Circuitsoft | apt-get install fglrx-{glx,driver} |
| 05:58.33 | karsten | suspects third-party debs or m-a |
| 05:58.36 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 05:58.38 | Circuitsoft | lenny |
| 05:58.38 | karsten | Bug. |
| 05:58.53 | karsten | Yeah, check BTS. Conflicts are bugs. |
| 05:59.04 | karsten | Gotta split. Train's in station. |
| 05:59.11 | Circuitsoft | ok |
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| 05:59.22 | f00li5h | what's a good method to move stuff from pam mod_unix, to say, an ldap directory? |
| 06:00.02 | stoned | hm |
| 06:00.05 | stoned | its raining |
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| 06:00.42 | d-b | !offtopic |
| 06:00.43 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 06:01.07 | f00li5h | d-b: anyone in particular? |
| 06:01.52 | cr0nick | tricky question... I just debootstrapped two different systems. that is, they're fresh systems. then I apt-get'ed postfix and debconf prefills c18-ss-1-lb.cnet.com as the hostname. These are FRESH deboostraps from ftp.debian.org... any ideas on where I should go from here to see if ftp.debian.org or the mirror I'm using was rootkitted? btw,c18-ss-1-lb.cnet.com looks like an unpleasant box (google for it) |
| 06:02.34 | cr0nick | if there are any debian security team guys online, i'd love to chat privately about this |
| 06:02.46 | d-b | cr0nick: sorry ? |
| 06:03.08 | cr0nick | d-b sorry, don't understand your sorry |
| 06:03.22 | d-b | um... cr0nick what did you do exactly. |
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| 06:04.27 | cr0nick | d-b built a vserver using debootstrap. apt-get'ed postfix immediately, before doing anything else. debconf displays the wrong hostname, and it's an evil looking hostname. did it again with a fresh debootstrap, just to be sure i didn't inadvertently paste it in or something, and same thing. |
| 06:05.01 | cr0nick | so, then i ran strings against a find / -type f and grepped for that hostname, and didn't find it |
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| 06:05.28 | cr0nick | d-b this is on a lenny box running linux-vserver |
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| 06:06.50 | cr0nick | anyone? has it been rootkitted? worse, have postfix packages on ftp.debian.org been rootkitted? |
| 06:07.03 | macjason0607 | guys .. im on ubuntu but of course its from debian .. can i get help with http://paste.ubuntu.com/86005/ ? |
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| 06:07.44 | d-b | macjason0607: partition the disk and then make a filesystem within a partition. |
| 06:07.47 | BarnacleBob | cr0nick your dhcp server can tell your machine what the hostname should be. what is the hostname? |
| 06:07.54 | cr0nick | macjason0607: you need to fdisk -l /dev/sdc and see which partitions you've set to be ntfs... most likely, you don't want to fo that. |
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| 06:08.13 | macjason0607 | yea .. i want that ntfs its a external usb |
| 06:08.22 | ryanCH | where can i download the kernel 2.6.18? |
| 06:08.30 | ryanCH | *Source i mean |
| 06:08.32 | Circuitsoft | macjason0607 - I think there's a -F option. |
| 06:08.36 | Circuitsoft | Do mkfs.ntfs --help to see |
| 06:08.39 | maddash | ryanCH: kernel.org |
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| 06:08.57 | ryanCH | thanks :) |
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| 06:09.50 | cr0nick | BarnacleBob: thanks for the response. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. This box has not received a DHCP address. In fact, it's not even on the network yet. Even if it had, it couldn't have handed out cnet.com ... |
| 06:10.11 | BarnacleBob | er |
| 06:10.22 | Bacta | Surely not "this" as in the machine you're on now? ;) |
| 06:10.27 | cr0nick | no |
| 06:10.32 | cr0nick | ;-) |
| 06:10.47 | cr0nick | do you know what deboostrap is? |
| 06:10.56 | BarnacleBob | thats odd |
| 06:11.03 | rvalles | it's a confortable debian installer :) |
| 06:11.07 | cr0nick | right |
| 06:11.07 | rvalles | very convenient. |
| 06:11.09 | cr0nick | ;-) |
| 06:11.09 | BarnacleBob | but i'm not familiar enough with debian/vserver to help ya figure that one out |
| 06:11.30 | cr0nick | BarnacleBob: no worries, and thanks for trying!! |
| 06:11.43 | d-b | cr0nick: .... mmm. http://patch-tracking.debian.net/package/postfix/2.5.5-1.1 |
| 06:11.52 | d-b | can you verfiy the checksums ? |
| 06:12.03 | theeclipse | Heloo guys, I have an intel ipw2200 Wifi, I already copied the latest firmware in my /lib/firmware.. but it keeps disconnecting from the router.. I checked dmesg then I found this error : ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting, has anyone faced this problem before? |
| 06:12.05 | cr0nick | d-b checking now... |
| 06:12.38 | BarnacleBob | karsten just an fyi i got it working. it was that original error causing the problems. just didn't get cleared out till i rebooted |
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| 06:13.03 | greeq | can i use chrome on debian? |
| 06:13.13 | Bacta | Do you have the source? |
| 06:13.20 | Circuitsoft | greeq - No idea how well chromium works on *nix rightn ow. |
| 06:13.24 | cr0nick | md5sum postfix_2.5.5-1.1_i386.deb is 27663ba71bea609f045a1bac9e768f4a, no it is not the same |
| 06:13.39 | cr0nick | d-b checksum doesn't match. one sec, let me get IP of mirror |
| 06:13.54 | greeq | no i dont have the source but its open source right? |
| 06:14.09 | Circuitsoft | From what I understand, chromium (open-source part of chrome) is still very alpha on *nix. |
| 06:14.11 | Bacta | yep |
| 06:14.28 | greeq | oh |
| 06:14.31 | d-b | cr0nick: that matches |
| 06:14.32 | d-b | http://packages.debian.org/hu/lenny/i386/postfix/download |
| 06:15.05 | cr0nick | d-b argh was looking at the md5sum for the diff ;-) |
| 06:15.15 | cr0nick | ok let's see here then.. where did that hostname come from ... |
| 06:15.29 | cr0nick | d-b. oh, well. must be just a fluke. |
| 06:15.45 | cr0nick | is just kidding -- not really giving up that easy |
| 06:15.47 | d-b | did you set a hostname ? -> i think that might be a default somewhere |
| 06:15.58 | cr0nick | yes, set a hostname. |
| 06:16.08 | cr0nick | d-b (not that) |
| 06:16.10 | Circuitsoft | cr0nick Any idea what upstream DNS caches you're using? |
| 06:16.21 | Circuitsoft | Any susceptible to poisioning? |
| 06:16.21 | cr0nick | Circuitsoft: excellent question -- 4.2.2.2 ;-) |
| 06:16.40 | zinx | i believe that's a root server |
| 06:17.00 | zinx | dunno |
| 06:17.03 | cr0nick | zinx it's BBN/GTE's multicast resolver... (they rock) |
| 06:17.16 | cr0nick | 4.2.2.1-6 |
| 06:17.54 | cr0nick | zinx (now level(3)) |
| 06:17.55 | stdisease | oh, 4.2.2.2, too |
| 06:18.14 | cr0nick | so, no, not vulnerable to poisoning (well, everything is..) |
| 06:18.16 | stdisease | easy 2 remember amidst eternal setting and resetting |
| 06:18.27 | drraid | <3 4.2.2.2 |
| 06:18.34 | d-b | the dns record of *.com.com is c18-ss-1-lb.cnet.com according too http://www.whois.is/dns/com.com/ |
| 06:18.38 | Circuitsoft | Is that what you're using immediately, or is there something else in the middle? |
| 06:18.39 | cr0nick | stdisease: right, it's good |
| 06:19.13 | cr0nick | Circuitsoft: again, excellent question, and that is in the resolv.conf of the host server that deboostrap pulled its packages from. |
| 06:19.14 | Circuitsoft | Any chance you're on an isolated network of some kind where the (benevolent dictator's) network admins redirect all port 53 traffic to a local DNS cache? |
| 06:19.15 | d-b | did you put com as your domain ? |
| 06:19.16 | cr0nick | d-b interesting... |
| 06:19.28 | d-b | i doubt its anything to worry about. |
| 06:19.29 | Circuitsoft | The college I used to go to did that |
| 06:19.30 | cr0nick | Circuitsoft: I'm at home on my DSL |
| 06:19.34 | Circuitsoft | ok |
| 06:19.42 | cr0nick | d-b yep, I bet that's it... |
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| 06:20.09 | cr0nick | d-b ... AH, seem to remember that deboostrap prefers ONE word for hostname... I wonder if it somehow added .com , i.e., something.com.com |
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| 06:20.15 | cr0nick | i'll check |
| 06:20.36 | cr0nick | nope |
| 06:20.38 | cr0nick | it's correct |
| 06:20.48 | drraid | sorry to join the convo late |
| 06:20.52 | drraid | whats going wrong again? |
| 06:20.57 | drraid | md5 mismatch |
| 06:20.58 | drraid | on a package? |
| 06:21.18 | drraid | is trying to associate relevance of a similar problem |
| 06:21.25 | d-b | cr0nick: what is it ? --> ahostname.com ? |
| 06:21.28 | cr0nick | drraid: nope sorry |
| 06:21.39 | cr0nick | d-b right ... oddly, /etc/hostname shows one thing (xxx.com) and /etc/mailname shows another (c18-ss-1-lb.cnet.com) after debconf installed postfix |
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| 06:22.44 | cr0nick | got it, I think.... |
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| 06:24.17 | cr0nick | I haven't registered the domain yet. so apparently postfix's debconf does a lookup. A machine is actually responding for that domain name, and it's 216.239.122.33 ... i'm reluctant to divulge the name in an open forum, but doesn't that indicate that verisign is poisoning DNS again? |
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| 06:25.22 | cr0nick | for that matter, if I ping anything crazy like anythingasdkasdjklasdjklasd.com, I'm getting packets back from c18-ss-1-lb.cnet.com (216.239.122.33) |
| 06:25.40 | BarnacleBob | dances around after solving this heartbeat problem |
| 06:25.50 | cr0nick | does that mean verisign is poisoning at the root server level or that L(3) is at the 4.2.2.x level? |
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| 06:26.25 | Ricoshady | is the standard debian install 64 bit? |
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| 06:26.37 | Circuitsoft | Ricoshady: It's whatever you want it to be. |
| 06:26.50 | cr0nick | oddly, this is only occuring in the deboostrap chroot... not in the host (even with the same resolv.conf) |
| 06:26.53 | cr0nick | now that's weird. |
| 06:27.04 | Ricoshady | Circuitsoft, will I make the choice at isntallation? |
| 06:27.10 | cr0nick | but at least my builds are safe ;-) |
| 06:27.19 | d-b | cr0nick: debian is safe ^^ |
| 06:27.23 | Circuitsoft | You make the choice before downloading the CD. |
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| 06:27.54 | greeq | what about crossover chromium? |
| 06:28.00 | cr0nick | d-b (except for the occasional SSH foul up ;-) .. but hey, my wu-ftp got cracked back in 99 or so on red hat and it lead to about 20 machines getting rootkitted!) |
| 06:28.08 | Ricoshady | Circuitsoft, which distro? |
| 06:28.41 | d-b | cr0nick: ah ? your wu-ftp got pwned so 20 boxes then got pwned ...? |
| 06:28.44 | d-b | what ever. |
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| 06:29.20 | cr0nick | d-b no, it was brilliant... i was doing RH FTP installs from this box and designed to open FTP through the firewall so I could do a net install at my house. |
| 06:29.23 | cr0nick | that was not a good move. |
| 06:29.32 | cr0nick | someone rootkitted the RPM repos. |
| 06:29.49 | cr0nick | I didn't realize for a few weeks, and all of my subsequent builds were already rootkitted hahaha |
| 06:30.20 | cr0nick | but that was wu-ftp... which is no longer the default for red hat ;-) (I think vsftpd is now) |
| 06:31.34 | cr0nick | d-b ... you have to understand, it only takes a foothold inside the firewall, and then they turn on promiscous mode, start listening for unprotected traffic (like DB passwords), and go from there. it only takes on pwned box to do.) |
| 06:31.49 | cr0nick | s/on /one/ |
| 06:32.18 | cr0nick | d-b I still can't figure out where it's picking up .com.com from, but it looks like you hit on the key |
| 06:32.33 | drraid | i keep wodnering off and missing solid convo |
| 06:32.37 | drraid | i hatethat |
| 06:32.52 | cr0nick | drraid that's what logs are for ;-) |
| 06:33.04 | nsadmin | onepwned |
| 06:33.08 | drraid | cr0nick: i can't enjoy ranting at logs as much |
| 06:33.17 | cr0nick | drraid: hehehe |
| 06:33.21 | drraid | cr0nick: i need to be present to add my unwelcomed input |
| 06:33.25 | drraid | ;P |
| 06:33.28 | cr0nick | grins |
| 06:33.29 | nsadmin | so just burn the logs |
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| 06:39.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: from where? |
| 06:39.28 | tarzeau | there IS one! |
| 06:39.44 | tarzeau | besides i didn't move the page and removed the references. have i? |
| 06:39.53 | tarzeau | please go buggedrer the wiki.d.o people NOT ME |
| 06:40.44 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 06:40.44 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 38m 34s ago, saying: 'it's your file, not mine'. |
| 06:41.01 | nullboy | lmao |
| 06:41.01 | drraid | sounds like an abrotman line. |
| 06:41.29 | nullboy | !seen nullboy |
| 06:41.30 | dpkg | nullboy is currently on #debian (7h 53m 29s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen nullboy'. |
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| 06:42.24 | buu | No you aren't. |
| 06:43.02 | nullboy | i'm a figment of my own imagination? |
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| 06:44.08 | nsadmin | much simpler than that... |
| 06:44.18 | nsadmin | you're not here, I am! you are there! |
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| 06:44.34 | Circuitsoft | Can anyone tell me how to insert a stub package into the dpkg database? |
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| 06:44.51 | Circuitsoft | I'm trying to build mythtv. It requires libdvdread3-dev, but all I can find is libdvdread-dev. |
| 06:44.59 | nsadmin | apply for maintainership would be the first step |
| 06:45.08 | Circuitsoft | Just locally. |
| 06:45.50 | Circuitsoft | I want to install a package, with no files, called libdvdread3-dev which relies on libdvdread-dev |
| 06:45.56 | nsadmin | look at the control file... look at the packaging manual, at depends and metapackages |
| 06:46.11 | karlpinc | Circuitsoft : Or submit a bug report. |
| 06:46.28 | stew | Circuitsoft: why are you building your own version of mythtv? |
| 06:46.35 | Circuitsoft | Binaries don't work. |
| 06:47.10 | stew | Circuitsoft: which? |
| 06:47.26 | Circuitsoft | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main |
| 06:47.33 | Circuitsoft | Whatever was there yesterday |
| 06:47.48 | stew | Circuitsoft: what are you changing to make it work? |
| 06:48.07 | Circuitsoft | Nothing. I'm hoping it's a library, linking, or some other issue. |
| 06:48.22 | Circuitsoft | When I run it, I get a bunch of BadMatch errors, and no visible text. |
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| 06:49.28 | stew | so you have a font problem |
| 06:49.55 | Circuitsoft | I've already installed pretty much every font package available and verified that they're available with xfontsel |
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| 06:50.29 | Circuitsoft | I already hashed it out for a while on #mythtv-users last night, and came to the conclusion that my binaries were bad. |
| 06:51.07 | stew | based on what? |
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| 06:51.41 | Circuitsoft | Comments from other people who seemed to know what they were talking about. |
| 06:52.02 | stew | Circuitsoft: did you send email to marillat? |
| 06:52.11 | Circuitsoft | No. Who's that? |
| 06:52.39 | stew | Circuitsoft: the maintainer |
| 06:52.47 | Circuitsoft | ok |
| 06:53.18 | Circuitsoft | I'm a programmer from a long tenure of Gentoo and FreeBSD, so I'm perfectly comfortable compiling software. |
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| 06:53.45 | Circuitsoft | I'm just rather new to dpkg/apt. |
| 06:53.57 | rotesgnu | Hi all |
| 06:54.09 | nsadmin | you can get source packages and build packages |
| 06:54.20 | stew | Circuitsoft: what makes you think it needs a package named "libdvdread3-dev"? |
| 06:55.00 | Circuitsoft | buildpkg tells me so. |
| 06:55.07 | stew | Circuitsoft: what is buildpkg? |
| 06:55.25 | Circuitsoft | Sorry, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:55.32 | stew | Circuitsoft: what version are you compiling? |
| 06:55.50 | Circuitsoft | stew: mythtv-0.21.svn20080706 |
| 06:56.08 | stew | hmm, that doesn't have a build dependency on libdvdread3-dev |
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| 06:56.43 | Circuitsoft | Well, I'm rebuilding it again, because I keep forgetting to save the output to a log |
| 06:56.50 | Circuitsoft | Almost done. |
| 06:57.18 | Circuitsoft | I was getting an error from dh_shlibdeps before concerning libGL. Turned out I needed to remove fglrx while building the package, then I could put it back. |
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| 06:58.19 | Circuitsoft | Okay, now I'm confused. Why did it work that time? It failed every other time... |
| 06:58.28 | Circuitsoft | And I haven't changed anything since the previous build... |
| 06:59.10 | mhymn_ | miracle? |
| 06:59.19 | Circuitsoft | mhymn_ So it would seem. |
| 06:59.32 | Circuitsoft | Well, I'll take it for what it is, and use it. |
| 07:07.18 | Circuitsoft | Ah. |
| 07:07.28 | Circuitsoft | It's mythplugins that needs libdvdread3-dev |
| 07:07.49 | Circuitsoft | stew? |
| 07:08.14 | Circuitsoft | brb - I require Pizza |
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| 07:12.50 | enouf | requires fish |
| 07:13.00 | Supaplex | !fish enouf |
| 07:13.00 | dpkg | slaps enouf around with a large trout |
| 07:13.11 | enouf | danke ;-) |
| 07:13.17 | Supaplex | np hehehe |
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| 07:13.55 | rafuch0 | is possible to reap out and audio cd from the shell? |
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| 07:14.11 | Guerin | !possible |
| 07:14.11 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! |
| 07:14.22 | enouf | Circuitsoft: fglrx? eww .. hideous beast - you mght have edac issues |
| 07:14.38 | enouf | reap as in sow? |
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| 07:15.07 | rafuch0 | dont know.. reap like cpy the the audio file from trhe cd to a dir... |
| 07:15.11 | enouf | or do you mean rip |
| 07:15.18 | rafuch0 | rip |
| 07:15.27 | enouf | ok, sure .. cdparanoia babay |
| 07:15.46 | enouf | !tell rafuch0 about dmm |
| 07:15.47 | rafuch0 | thacnks bro |
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| 07:16.10 | Circuitsoft | Back. |
| 07:16.19 | enouf | there you shall find the mp3 decoder .. and many others .. there are other apps as forntends, like grip etc |
| 07:16.25 | Circuitsoft | enouf: Unfortunately, it's the only driver, other than vesa, that gets me usable video out. |
| 07:16.47 | enouf | Circuitsoft: and DRI works? |
| 07:16.58 | Circuitsoft | Seems to. |
| 07:17.03 | Circuitsoft | Haven't tried it though. |
| 07:17.07 | Circuitsoft | I know XV works |
| 07:17.19 | enouf | that's a + |
| 07:17.22 | nsadmin | tryu glxgears |
| 07:17.30 | enouf | glxinfo |
| 07:17.32 | Circuitsoft | Also, seems to work. |
| 07:17.37 | Circuitsoft | Haven't tried glxinfo. |
| 07:17.39 | nsadmin | fast? |
| 07:17.44 | Circuitsoft | No idea. |
| 07:17.50 | Circuitsoft | Doesn't matter, it's not a gaming machine. |
| 07:18.01 | nsadmin | so you don't need 3d? |
| 07:18.05 | Circuitsoft | no. |
| 07:18.06 | betz | I'm trying to dowload from rapidshare with this command program http://mundogeek.net/rapidshare-dl/ but it downloads the html of the page, not the file itself. Anybody a guess what could be the problem? I read something about wget and curl |
| 07:18.14 | enouf | Circuitsoft: how about you tell us the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 07:18.14 | Circuitsoft | Just xv, and, preferably if possible, xvmc |
| 07:18.30 | Circuitsoft | I could, but video's not an issue, it works fine. |
| 07:18.35 | Circuitsoft | , now at least. |
| 07:18.55 | Circuitsoft | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] [1002:9612] |
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| 07:19.27 | Circuitsoft | Neither radeon or radeonhd gave me any output from the HDMI port on the motherboard. |
| 07:19.47 | enouf | betz: maybe you just want to rename the downloaded html as file.html .. unless you mean you |
| 07:20.01 | enouf | 're d/l the page code and not any contents |
| 07:20.04 | nsadmin | I mean I! |
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| 07:20.23 | rafuch0 | outputting to track01.cdda.wav <====> HERE we goooo |
| 07:20.26 | enouf | Circuitsoft: what's hdmi ? :-P |
| 07:20.30 | itom | hi all, I've attached an hd with freebsd slices (partitions) the cfidsk command don't recognize the partitions, how I can mount it? |
| 07:20.47 | Circuitsoft | hdmi=dvi++ |
| 07:20.48 | betz | enouf: yes it just downloads the page of razpidshare, but normally it should download the file that rapidshare hosts |
| 07:21.06 | enouf | itom: gnuparted reads bsd labels fine ... hrm .. |
| 07:21.23 | itom | enouf: I try gparted without results :( |
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| 07:21.35 | enouf | itom: gparted !=gnuparted |
| 07:21.41 | itom | ah |
| 07:22.18 | enouf | judd versions parted |
| 07:22.20 | judd | enouf: parted -- etch: 1.7.1-5.1 lenny: 1.8.8.git.2008.03.24-11.1 sid: 1.8.8.git.2008.03.24-11.1 |
| 07:22.53 | enouf | itom: oh, but to mount? you want er .. -t ufs or -t ufs2 ? |
| 07:23.21 | enouf | itom: http://unixadmintalk.com/suse-linux/126986-mounting-freebsd-partitions-suse-9-2-a.html |
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| 07:24.27 | Circuitsoft | stew: ping |
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| 07:25.42 | itom | enouf: I'm reading the link; I don't know the "partition table" and I don't find in the repository 'gnuparted' (I found gnu parted) |
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| 07:26.08 | Circuitsoft | itom I think you're looking for gpart, not gparted |
| 07:26.10 | enouf | itom: so ufstype=44bsd for older and ufstype=ufs2 for newer |
| 07:26.37 | itom | enouf: thanks for the advices now I'll try again |
| 07:26.37 | enouf | itom: it's called 'parted' as judd mentioned above |
| 07:27.06 | enouf | itom: welcome, more general info about all that http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_Unix/Explanations/Partitioning_Disks |
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| 07:28.29 | enouf | itom: and some gnu parted info http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/features.shtml |
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| 07:31.14 | itom | enouf: thanks again, I've just installed parted and parted-doc and I'm RTFM |
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| 07:43.11 | enouf | Circuitsoft: gpart is an awesome tool. but it's meant to try and guess your partition layout when you've rm'd your MPT :-p .. oh crap; suddenly, the author's website is "Forbidden" ? wtf? |
| 07:43.18 | Bacta | Hi I've installed Debian and I've now just got a terminal |
| 07:43.22 | Bacta | how do I install X? |
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| 07:43.27 | enouf | Bacta: install xorg |
| 07:43.29 | Circuitsoft | apt-get install xorg |
| 07:43.39 | enouf | !tell Bacta about set up x |
| 07:43.42 | Bacta | thanks :) |
| 07:44.22 | enouf | Circuitsoft: dvi++ sucks ass |
| 07:44.55 | Circuitsoft | How so? |
| 07:45.00 | enouf | if hdmi does indeed mean dvi++ |
| 07:45.11 | enouf | which it doesn't |
| 07:45.19 | Circuitsoft | HDMI is a reasonably nice interconnect if you don't need the bandwidth for 2560x1600+ |
| 07:45.26 | enouf | since Audio is also a part of hdmi |
| 07:45.43 | Circuitsoft | It's handy that it can carry audio, but it doesn't have to. |
| 07:45.47 | enouf | see HDCP |
| 07:45.53 | Circuitsoft | DVI also supports HDCP |
| 07:46.07 | enouf | Digital VIDEO interface |
| 07:46.32 | enouf | so .. they both suck ass |
| 07:46.36 | enouf | what else is new |
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| 07:47.38 | Circuitsoft | The only things I'm aware of that could be better are DisplayPort and OpenLDI, but OpenLDI was never developed, and DisplayPort never gained enough traction to be available anywhere. |
| 07:47.47 | Bacta | so aptitude install xserver-xorg-core ? |
| 07:47.55 | Circuitsoft | No, just aptitude isntall xorg |
| 07:48.13 | Circuitsoft | xorg relies on xserver-xorg-core and many other packages you'll want/need. |
| 07:48.57 | mhymn_ | Bacta: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 07:49.04 | Bacta | Couldn't find package "xorg" however the following packages contain xorg in their name: xserver-xorg-dev xserver-xorg-core |
| 07:49.14 | Circuitsoft | Hmm. |
| 07:49.31 | Circuitsoft | What did you isntall? lenny? sid? |
| 07:49.42 | Bacta | the latest I'm guessing right from the site |
| 07:49.49 | Bacta | it was the small ~100 meg install |
| 07:50.02 | Circuitsoft | lenny is testing, sid is unstable. |
| 07:50.15 | Bacta | how can I find out? |
| 07:50.25 | Supaplex | dpkg -l libc6 | grep libc |
| 07:50.25 | dpkg | ii libc6 | grep libc 2.7-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:50.26 | Circuitsoft | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:50.35 | enouf | haha |
| 07:50.36 | rafuch0 | hay a question |
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| 07:50.52 | Supaplex | hay is a food for some animals. |
| 07:50.53 | fredl | hmm when smbd/nmbd are running, shouldn't I at least be able to connect to 127.0.0.1/139 ? |
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| 07:51.05 | rafuch0 | *hey |
| 07:51.07 | rafuch0 | X) |
| 07:51.08 | Supaplex | fredl: depends on how it's configured. |
| 07:51.24 | enouf | fredl: netstat -tunap as root |
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| 07:51.58 | fredl | enouf: tcp 0 0 192.168.1.1:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5000/smbd |
| 07:51.58 | enouf | do NOT paste into the channel - see 139? |
| 07:52.04 | fredl | LOL, sorry |
| 07:52.09 | Bacta | Etch |
| 07:52.09 | rafuch0 | some times when aptitude is tring to solve some dependecies problems it shows some "score" sometimes thius scores are in -negtive values and sometimes are in +values what this does mens... |
| 07:52.11 | enouf | well, one line is ol |
| 07:52.13 | enouf | ok |
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| 07:52.40 | Circuitsoft | Bacta: Open aptitude. |
| 07:52.45 | Bacta | done |
| 07:52.56 | Circuitsoft | Press "u" to update the database, "U" to select all updates, then "g" to Go. |
| 07:53.06 | fredl | 'k so it listens to 192.168.1.1 but not to 127.0.0.1.... |
| 07:53.08 | enouf | Bacta: apt-get update |
| 07:53.14 | enouf | Bacta: apt-get install xorg |
| 07:53.35 | Circuitsoft | enouf - I think he tried that already. |
| 07:53.45 | enouf | Bacta: remove (or just comment out) the cdrom line in your sources.list |
| 07:53.49 | Circuitsoft | I'm making sure his apt database is up-to-date |
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| 07:54.28 | fredl | setting up samba used to be simple.... |
| 07:54.35 | enouf | !tell Bacta -about grounding |
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| 07:54.45 | fredl | I must be getting old or sumthing |
| 07:55.02 | enouf | fredl: you don't need anything for samba/cifs, except kernel support, which the debian kernels have |
| 07:55.36 | Circuitsoft | enouf: I think he's trying to set up a server, not a client. |
| 07:55.39 | fredl | enouf - uhuh, I know. Still having probs with it, I think my firewall may be giving me a hard time. |
| 07:55.47 | fredl | Circuitsoft, indeed. |
| 07:55.53 | Bacta | Well it looks like the only package to update is linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 |
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| 07:56.16 | enouf | fredl: is portmap installed and running? |
| 07:56.16 | Circuitsoft | Bacta: Search for ^xorg$ |
| 07:56.34 | Bacta | how do I do that? |
| 07:56.39 | enouf | Bacta: you have no net? |
| 07:56.49 | Circuitsoft | /^xorg$ |
| 07:56.51 | Bacta | I do have internet access, it's downloading stuff now |
| 07:56.55 | fredl | yup. and rpcinfo -p shows a bunch of services. What should it show for samba? |
| 07:57.03 | enouf | Bacta: apt-cache show xorg |
| 07:57.05 | rafuch0 | those scores mean something? |
| 07:57.34 | fredl | enouf - samba uses portmapper then?? |
| 07:57.36 | enouf | fredl: i dunno, i rarely connect to wintendo, and when i do, i force it ;-) |
| 07:57.56 | enouf | fredl: i think it's needed for smbd/nmbd , not certain |
| 07:58.03 | enouf | or netbios or someshit |
| 07:58.05 | rafuch0 | i eamn i check if nothing importantd is deleted and stuff but i dont het the scores--- |
| 07:58.12 | rafuch0 | it must mean somthing.... |
| 07:58.15 | fredl | well I don't wanna futz with it too much either but my wife bought an iPod Touch. I want to export my mp3's to a windoze box |
| 07:58.49 | enouf | fredl: i don't get the 127.x.x.x stuff you're trying |
| 07:59.25 | Circuitsoft | I gotta go. |
| 07:59.26 | fredl | enouf - oh, just trying to see locally on the server if everything's working. Don't need to do it I guess |
| 07:59.30 | enouf | fredl: is avahi-daemon running? does one of your linux PCs have an IP of 169.254.x.x. ? |
| 07:59.40 | Circuitsoft | Need to go home, sleep 5 hours, then come back to work, at a somewhat reasonable time. |
| 08:00.06 | enouf | needs to eat, .. but .. well .. i can't for a while .. :-/ |
| 08:00.10 | fredl | enouf - yeah avahi-daemon is running on the box I intend to be samba server. |
| 08:00.21 | enouf | fredl: kill that shit |
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| 08:00.49 | enouf | fredl: wait, does ifconfig -a show that addy? |
| 08:01.07 | fredl | hmm jjust looking through the manpage of avahi-daemon and wondering why the hell I have that running anyway. |
| 08:01.16 | enouf | !win fredl |
| 08:01.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, fredl! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 08:01.25 | enouf | !tell fredl -about rcconf |
| 08:01.49 | fredl | nope, ifconfig -a doesn't show that address. |
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| 08:02.25 | enouf | fredl: well, you've setup a share on wintendo? yes? |
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| 08:02.50 | enouf | so; mount -t cifs //192.x.x.x/share /mnt/point |
| 08:03.11 | Bacta | I don't have much on my sources list |
| 08:03.18 | Bacta | what is a source that will have xorg? |
| 08:03.23 | enouf | you can pass many more options like credentials=~/someshit |
| 08:03.24 | fredl | no no, I have my mp3's on my debian box |
| 08:03.39 | fredl | the Debian box will be the smb server. |
| 08:03.47 | enouf | !tell Bacta about mirrors |
| 08:04.35 | enouf | Bacta: i doubt you actually have Etch .. you used some mutant variant to start |
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| 08:05.14 | MariachiAC | Hello. If I install a package from source, how do I get it so aptitude does not override what i've installed? |
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| 08:05.23 | Bacta | Well I got it off the site |
| 08:05.30 | enouf | source doesn't get overridden |
| 08:05.47 | fredl | well I see at least one problem right now hmmm, can't connect to 192.168.1.1/139 when my firewall is up, aha |
| 08:05.51 | Bacta | I'm going to try this later |
| 08:05.52 | MariachiAC | butt if there is packagge update.. wouldn't it get over written? |
| 08:05.53 | Bacta | need sleep |
| 08:05.55 | Bacta | thanks for the help :) |
| 08:05.58 | enouf | it doesn't matter unless you mean you actually built a deb and installed it |
| 08:06.23 | enouf | !tell MariachiAC -about hold |
| 08:06.41 | fredl | 'tis not supposed to block anything from 192.168.*.* tho... |
| 08:07.10 | fredl | well 192.168.1.0/24 that is. |
| 08:07.28 | enouf | and it depends where you install the .deb to .. most self-compiled binaries (and pkgs) end up in /usr/local/* and the pkg manager doesn't touch that |
| 08:07.43 | enouf | MariachiAC: ^^^^^^ |
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| 08:08.23 | MariachiAC | enouf, thanks. |
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| 08:09.10 | enouf | MariachiAC: if you do echo $PATH, you see /usr/local/bin as 1st, so you're binaries are used in preference over system ones |
| 08:09.20 | enouf | s/you're/your |
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| 08:10.27 | stoned | enouf, hi |
| 08:10.35 | stoned | enouf, do you ever sleep? |
| 08:10.49 | stoned | whenever I come in here, I see you |
| 08:10.50 | rafuch0 | nevaaaaaa |
| 08:10.55 | stoned | doesnt matter what time of day |
| 08:11.05 | stoned | rafuch0, this dude loves debian man |
| 08:11.10 | stoned | :) |
| 08:11.16 | stoned | pokes enouf |
| 08:11.16 | rafuch0 | we nevaaa sleep |
| 08:11.38 | fredl | hmm in my INPUT chain for my firewall I have ACCEPT all -- 192.168.1.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 08:11.57 | fredl | then how come I can't telnet 192.16.1.1 139.... |
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| 08:12.47 | xingu | idly observes that cifs uses tcp/445 regardless |
| 08:13.32 | fredl | cifs/samba are completely interchangable then? |
| 08:14.07 | nullboy | no but cifs smb work pretty much the same |
| 08:14.18 | nullboy | samba isn't a protocol |
| 08:14.23 | enouf | sharpens his cane and aims it in the general direction of those that are stoned :-p |
| 08:14.27 | stoned | uh |
| 08:14.32 | stoned | samba isn't a protocol? |
| 08:14.34 | nullboy | no |
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| 08:14.36 | nullboy | smb is |
| 08:14.37 | stoned | smb is |
| 08:14.42 | stoned | jinx |
| 08:14.47 | stoned | you can't speak any longer |
| 08:14.48 | nullboy | smb is the protocol, samba is the suite |
| 08:14.52 | stoned | if you speak, I punch you |
| 08:14.54 | stoned | punches nullboy |
| 08:14.55 | fredl | okay, smb is the protocol, cifs is another protocol. I'm trying to set up an smb server on a debian box. |
| 08:14.56 | stoned | shaddup |
| 08:15.15 | stoned | fredl, oh its a p iece of cake |
| 08:15.44 | xingu | fredl: smb is deprecated; cifs knocks the socks off it performancewise. |
| 08:15.45 | fredl | if I remember correctly, when smbd/nmbd are running the least I should be able to do is to connect to tcp/139 from a client to the server, correct? |
| 08:15.46 | stoned | fredl, on debian, aptitude install samba smbclient && sudo smbpasswd -a username && sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf <-- modify settings |
| 08:15.49 | enouf | fredl: cifs is supposed to be used on win2k and higher, smb for earlier win9x/ME crap |
| 08:15.56 | stoned | fredl, lastly /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 08:16.23 | xingu | stoned: that'd be "invoke-rc.d samba restart" :) |
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| 08:16.28 | stoned | xingu, why? |
| 08:16.43 | enouf | you don't need any smbd/nmbd crap running, i told you support is in the kernel |
| 08:17.01 | stoned | enouf, he wants to setup a server on debian |
| 08:17.04 | stoned | right? |
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| 08:17.09 | enouf | well .. invoke-rc.d is runlevel specific |
| 08:17.19 | stoned | we don't want that |
| 08:17.20 | enouf | stoned: serve my ass ;-) |
| 08:17.28 | stoned | we want /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:17.36 | stoned | serve your ass? |
| 08:17.37 | stoned | dude |
| 08:17.40 | stoned | that does NOT sound right. |
| 08:17.45 | enouf | he wants to transfer some mp3s |
| 08:17.45 | fredl | damn it's been long that I used this shit I guess, I had no clue support is in the kernel. |
| 08:17.52 | enouf | from debian to wintendo |
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| 08:17.54 | stoned | enouf, don't EVER say that again |
| 08:18.00 | stoned | good lord |
| 08:18.05 | enouf | :-O |
| 08:18.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:18.18 | fredl | so I can simply remove the samba pkg to do what I want to do? |
| 08:18.29 | stoned | fredl, what is it that you want to do? |
| 08:18.31 | enouf | i can .. not sure about you |
| 08:18.36 | stoned | fredl, can you say again |
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| 08:18.52 | fredl | stoned - I have mp3's on my Debian box. I want to share those to a Windoze Vista box. |
| 08:19.04 | stoned | fredl, so do what I told you to do |
| 08:19.10 | enouf | fredl: actually, as i said, i do it rarely - stoned will guide you - he's a bit hyper .. but deal |
| 08:19.21 | stoned | fredl, then go on windows, and run box, and do \\debian.pc.ip\sharename |
| 08:19.26 | fredl | heh ok enouf :) |
| 08:19.28 | xingu | fredl: only client support is in-kernel |
| 08:19.39 | enouf | gah! |
| 08:19.43 | stoned | seriously |
| 08:19.45 | enouf | sucks ass |
| 08:19.48 | stoned | if you don't listen to me |
| 08:19.51 | stoned | you will waste time. |
| 08:20.31 | stoned | 1) aptitude install samba |
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| 08:20.43 | stoned | 2) edit smb.conf to your liking |
| 08:20.46 | fredl | okay, I had the samba server up and running already before, guess I only needed to do the smbpasswd -a |
| 08:20.57 | stoned | 3) smbpasswd -a username (to add a username) |
| 08:20.58 | enouf | xingu: all i know is, i can connect to some windows PCs on my LAN without any samba crap (smbd/nmbd) running .. i dare not let them act as any sort of "servers" :-) |
| 08:21.04 | fredl | stoned - did 1,2,3 |
| 08:21.18 | stoned | 4) go to windows box, access the debian machine ip, it will ask you for a user/pass you setup using smbpasswd |
| 08:21.21 | stoned | enter it |
| 08:21.28 | stoned | the copy/paste and/or drag files |
| 08:21.29 | stoned | whatever |
| 08:21.35 | fredl | hang on before 4.... |
| 08:21.42 | stoned | ok |
| 08:21.45 | stoned | stop! |
| 08:21.49 | stoned | step # 3.5 |
| 08:21.50 | fredl | positron:~# smbclient -L //192.168.1.1 -U fredl |
| 08:21.50 | fredl | timeout connecting to 192.168.1.1:445 |
| 08:22.00 | fredl | *this* is the real problem I think. |
| 08:22.04 | stoned | ahh |
| 08:22.07 | stoned | that was step 3.5 |
| 08:22.13 | stoned | your problem is related to your iptables |
| 08:22.16 | fredl | that's what I was trying to say :P |
| 08:22.20 | stoned | its dropping packets? |
| 08:22.28 | fredl | lemme check sumthing first |
| 08:22.31 | stoned | fredl, you were trying, but you didn't |
| 08:22.36 | stoned | recheck your ip rules |
| 08:22.43 | stoned | in fact |
| 08:22.44 | stoned | hang on |
| 08:22.49 | stoned | why are you connecting to 1.1 |
| 08:22.49 | stoned | ? |
| 08:22.52 | stoned | isn't that your router? |
| 08:23.03 | stoned | you need to get on debian machine and do smbclient -L localhost |
| 08:23.04 | fredl | aha! okay, I disabled the firewall, checked the above command again and now it works. |
| 08:23.06 | stoned | input password |
| 08:23.18 | xingu | enouf: wrong flow direction; your working case is linux as a cifs client, fredl's problem-case is wanting a cifs server. |
| 08:23.23 | enouf | xingu: if i recall correctly :-) (maybe i'm old and senile, like stoned wants everyone to believe) |
| 08:23.30 | fredl | no no 192.168.1.1 is my debian server, it acts as router/firewall |
| 08:23.33 | enouf | xingu: ahh |
| 08:23.35 | stoned | hey man |
| 08:23.45 | stoned | don't make me out to e the asshole |
| 08:23.47 | stoned | be |
| 08:23.56 | stoned | you're old |
| 08:23.56 | stoned | not senile |
| 08:23.56 | stoned | yet. |
| 08:23.58 | enouf | gramps |
| 08:24.02 | stoned | :) |
| 08:24.13 | enouf | stoned: ease up on the ENTER please? |
| 08:24.21 | stoned | yeh sorry i get carried away |
| 08:24.34 | stoned | you know people have been telling me to lay off the enter key for like almost decade |
| 08:24.37 | fredl | stoned - I think I can handle it from here. The smb part seems to be working now, I just need to re-check my firewall. |
| 08:24.37 | stoned | 8 years of it in #debian |
| 08:24.48 | stoned | if it hasn't happened by now, don't expect it to happen |
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| 08:24.52 | nullboy | damn stoners |
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| 08:24.54 | stoned | I'm trying my best, but c'mon man, this is who i am |
| 08:24.55 | stoned | :) |
| 08:25.08 | fredl | stoned - need to leave now, thanks for your help so far, I'll check the fw bitch rules later on. |
| 08:25.17 | stoned | fredl, you're welcome |
| 08:25.25 | stoned | thank yourself for listenign to me and not wasting your own time |
| 08:25.31 | stoned | I'm a pothead, but I'm smart! |
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| 08:26.19 | enouf | xingu: so .. i guess the windows PC (in my situation) is actually acting as the "server" per se, in the client/server foray techie sense? |
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| 08:26.56 | xingu | enouf: ja |
| 08:26.58 | enouf | it's not a p2p connection .. only potheads use those :-P |
| 08:27.04 | enouf | hides |
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| 08:27.32 | enouf | xingu: gracias ;-) |
| 08:27.51 | stoned | you can hide but you can't fun fat man! |
| 08:27.55 | stoned | fun |
| 08:27.56 | stoned | run* |
| 08:27.58 | stoned | goddamnit |
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| 08:27.59 | enouf | haha |
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| 08:28.18 | enouf | Javathehut? |
| 08:28.26 | stoned | Pizza the hut! |
| 08:28.27 | stoned | lol |
| 08:28.32 | stoned | oh mani love spaceballs |
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| 08:29.32 | xingu | enouf: de nada |
| 08:29.48 | stoned | dude |
| 08:29.53 | stoned | my cousine married a white guy |
| 08:29.57 | stoned | now she has a baby |
| 08:29.59 | stoned | I had no idea |
| 08:30.14 | stoned | I was talking to her on the phone and I said generic stuff about racial bastardization and my blieefs |
| 08:30.26 | stoned | god it was awkward when I found out who she married |
| 08:30.26 | stoned | heh |
| 08:30.42 | stoned | oh man, no body tells me anything you know |
| 08:30.46 | stoned | they still treat me like a family baby |
| 08:30.48 | stoned | its bullshit |
| 08:30.49 | enouf | dumbass |
| 08:30.55 | stoned | im 27 man! |
| 08:30.58 | stoned | imnot a kid |
| 08:31.06 | nullboy | stoned wait. |
| 08:31.08 | stoned | my brother was sick in the hostpical with some blood clot stuff |
| 08:31.10 | stoned | and like |
| 08:31.12 | enouf | but yet .. you still act like one? |
| 08:31.15 | stoned | they never told me for like 2 weeks |
| 08:31.20 | stoned | enouf, well yeh |
| 08:31.22 | stoned | money and presents |
| 08:31.23 | nullboy | "stoned: my cousine married a white guy" |
| 08:31.27 | stoned | and I get my parents to do stuff |
| 08:31.28 | stoned | ;) |
| 08:31.31 | stoned | for me |
| 08:31.37 | stoned | its nice to be a baby |
| 08:31.39 | nullboy | well what is your cousin then? |
| 08:31.42 | stoned | but i have 1 more baby |
| 08:31.47 | stoned | in myp arents house |
| 08:31.53 | stoned | my younger brother he is 18 |
| 08:31.56 | stoned | he gets everything he wants |
| 08:31.59 | enouf | stoned: sorry, but i don't mind personally, but before someone else does ; it's OT here |
| 08:32.10 | stoned | enouf, yeh there aint nothing else going on |
| 08:32.15 | stoned | consult the OT factoid |
| 08:32.16 | stoned | some OT is ok |
| 08:32.20 | stoned | dun dun dun! |
| 08:32.33 | enouf | too many ENTERs is not! |
| 08:32.37 | enouf | ;-) |
| 08:32.38 | stoned | true, I agree. |
| 08:32.55 | stoned | nullboy, we are pakistani |
| 08:33.08 | stoned | my uncle married a white woman |
| 08:33.19 | nullboy | what's wrong with that? |
| 08:33.22 | stoned | Aunt Penny, she is awesome, she always gives us like a few hundred bucks |
| 08:33.29 | stoned | whenevern she comes by or we go to visit |
| 08:33.31 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:33.31 | nullboy | lmao |
| 08:33.49 | enouf | now realizes why abrotman poops out babies whenever i mention the term "whitey" :-P |
| 08:33.58 | stoned | why? |
| 08:34.13 | stoned | you know the only people who take offense about racial stuff are the ones who have racist problems in thier own heads |
| 08:34.16 | stoned | ... |
| 08:34.21 | stoned | a non racist wouldn't give a fuck. |
| 08:34.22 | enouf | i use the term endearingly - you seem to use it .. er .. somewhat differently :-) |
| 08:34.32 | stoned | me? I'm endearing |
| 08:34.38 | nullboy | i'm a whitey, i don't give a shit what you say |
| 08:34.44 | enouf | !group hug |
| 08:34.44 | stoned | I'm widely misunderstood cuz when I speak english i translate from urdu to english |
| 08:34.44 | dpkg | hug: use the group, Luke |
| 08:34.50 | stoned | half the times I can't find the words exactly |
| 08:34.53 | enouf | bah |
| 08:34.54 | stoned | the other half the time my shit comes out wrong |
| 08:34.59 | stoned | and I end up pissing people off |
| 08:35.04 | stoned | but when i explain myself they understand |
| 08:35.05 | stoned | and calm down |
| 08:35.16 | nullboy | yeah well i don't think you need translation errors to piss people off |
| 08:35.26 | stoned | like when I said my cousine married a white guy |
| 08:35.33 | stoned | I'm sure it probably ticked some people off |
| 08:35.35 | enouf | is that why and how you learned to type 5000 wps ? |
| 08:35.37 | nullboy | yeah well some people would flip out about that |
| 08:35.39 | stoned | it was colmpletely innocent that I said |
| 08:35.41 | peterrooney | stoned: s/cousine/cousin/ |
| 08:35.49 | enouf | cuisune! |
| 08:35.50 | stoned | sorry |
| 08:35.52 | stoned | I can't spell either |
| 08:35.56 | stoned | my english is horrible |
| 08:36.00 | nullboy | i call bullshit |
| 08:36.04 | enouf | er ,, cuisine .. i'm starving |
| 08:36.07 | nullboy | sorry but i can smell it form here |
| 08:36.09 | stoned | well |
| 08:36.14 | stoned | me and enouf talk on the phone a lot |
| 08:36.16 | nullboy | FROM |
| 08:36.16 | stoned | you can ask him |
| 08:36.20 | stoned | im not lying |
| 08:36.27 | stoned | thats how i talk |
| 08:36.34 | nullboy | like a whitey? |
| 08:36.38 | stoned | and I stutter a lot |
| 08:36.44 | stoned | cuz I am always trying nto translate |
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| 08:36.53 | stoned | 20 years, and I still can't think in englihs |
| 08:36.56 | stoned | its sad |
| 08:36.58 | nullboy | is "cuz" in your translation tables? |
| 08:37.04 | stoned | irc shorthand |
| 08:37.07 | nullboy | k |
| 08:37.12 | stoned | I write very well |
| 08:37.21 | nullboy | like a stoner |
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| 08:37.51 | stoned | my grammar, sentence structure and diction are phenominal, not to mention my rather extensive vocabulary which I employ mostly only when I write. |
| 08:38.08 | stoned | I have immaculate English, but only when I give a fuck about it. |
| 08:38.20 | stoned | and thats only if I am to write something serious |
| 08:38.26 | stoned | irc is garbage, it dont' matter |
| 08:38.32 | enouf | Now; for some notable highlights of the last hour; <stoned> the other half the time my shit comes out wrong <nullboy> sorry but i can smell it form here |
| 08:38.40 | stoned | LOL |
| 08:38.41 | nullboy | haha |
| 08:38.41 | stoned | ahahahaha |
| 08:38.44 | enouf | ;-) |
| 08:38.44 | stoned | oh man |
| 08:38.50 | stoned | nullboy, enouf #debian-chat |
| 08:38.55 | stoned | enough Ot in here |
| 08:39.02 | stoned | thanks |
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| 09:09.21 | spersaud | finally setup a wireless bridge using dd-wrt ... fast as hell |
| 09:09.27 | js_ | is there any weird issue in lenny right now or do you think i could do an experimental upgrade? |
| 09:09.35 | spersaud | and no need for that crappy driver |
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| 09:11.53 | owen1 | any good command-line audio recording app? |
| 09:12.17 | Supaplex | sox |
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| 09:18.00 | Darkhost | Hi! Im have interested link for debian!! http://imperiumreklamy.com/pages/ptp.php?refid=krzysztof9222 Debian toys:D |
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| 09:25.39 | owen1 | any command-line app for recording myself? |
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| 09:26.11 | Supaplex | !tell owen1 -about search |
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| 09:29.10 | jelly | Supaplex: will you answer "arecord" the next time he asks? |
| 09:29.21 | Supaplex | if I remember |
| 09:29.42 | jelly | wouldn't be fun to get the same answer twice |
| 09:30.04 | Supaplex | I could have said sox again, and that would be the fun you speak of. |
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| 09:39.22 | spitfirekdv | Hi all! How can I investigate what parameters was proccess started with? |
| 09:41.21 | spersaud | spitfirekdv: ps -ax |
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| 09:43.20 | aldin | hi, how can i list all installed packages (i want to sync two computers), so i can apt-get install "listed" packages |
| 09:43.36 | the-dude | dpkg --get-selections |
| 09:43.37 | dpkg | the-dude: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 09:51.50 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 09:51.56 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 09:51.56 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 09:59.21 | aldin | i use lenny repos (main, contrib. non-free), but i dont have package "mencoder"? why is that? |
| 09:59.28 | aldin | although i have mplayer |
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| 10:00.20 | MeatShield | Hi... I've just installed Lenny. I'm wondering how often the kernel is updated? I want to apply some optimizations and patches, but I don't want to have to repeat this in a month. |
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| 10:04.33 | MeatShield | Looking at Etch it seems like a kernel update is made available maybe once or twice, during the life of Lenny. But as Lenny is not yet final.. I'm a bit worried about going through the motions this week then having to do it again next week. |
| 10:04.55 | MeatShield | *life of Etch, I should say. |
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| 10:06.45 | fasta | How can I see which program is using a certain socket? |
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| 10:15.36 | ringo999 | anybody here using dia? is there support for uml2.0? |
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| 10:20.33 | robyonrails | hi guys |
| 10:20.53 | robyonrails | why using "export var=value" I'm unable to set environment variables permanently ? |
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| 10:25.24 | enouf | robyonrails: where? for whom? system-wide? try /etc/environment |
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| 10:25.45 | enouf | fasta: lsof |
| 10:25.56 | robyonrails | ok enouf, thx |
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| 10:26.05 | enouf | fasta: for network sockets see netstat, i guess |
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| 10:27.13 | enouf | MeatShield: make-kpkg makes it easy ... |
| 10:28.03 | enouf | MeatShield: might try reading and asking on debian-kernel mailing list about whatever your specifics imply |
| 10:28.36 | robyonrails | when I set /etc/environment, only the root can access to the variables |
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| 10:29.39 | enouf | robyonrails: for users, each user usually has a ~/.bashrc, or ~/.bash_profile (or a dotfile for whatever their login shell is) |
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| 10:30.07 | robyonrails | so, is it possible to set variables globally? |
| 10:30.16 | stoned | yes |
| 10:30.19 | enouf | ~$ grep export .bashrc |
| 10:30.20 | stoned | always |
| 10:30.21 | nsadmin | what do you mean "globally" |
| 10:30.21 | enouf | export HISTFILESIZE=2000 |
| 10:30.26 | stoned | nsadmin, system wide... |
| 10:30.28 | robyonrails | for all users |
| 10:30.32 | stoned | what else does global mean? |
| 10:30.34 | robyonrails | export doesn't work |
| 10:30.41 | stoned | you mean like from usa to china? |
| 10:30.44 | enouf | there is a /etc/default/useradd file |
| 10:30.44 | stoned | that kinda global? |
| 10:31.12 | enouf | which there, you can add specifics that each new user will receive when you add them using useradd |
| 10:31.18 | nsadmin | robyonrails: the basic deal is this... |
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| 10:31.57 | robyonrails | ok |
| 10:32.16 | nsadmin | when a unix-alike runs, there are multiple processes that appear to be running at the same time (not dealving into that, assume the illusion is reality for the purpose of this_ |
| 10:32.21 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 10:32.52 | nsadmin | one feature of each process, is they each have a set of variables |
| 10:33.00 | nsadmin | their own copy |
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| 10:33.46 | nsadmin | so if there is to be the same value for a process |
| 10:34.00 | nsadmin | 's copy of a variable, |
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| 10:34.50 | nsadmin | I guess you could look at that as global in the sense that it appears to be one variable because (coincidentally) each copy has the same value |
| 10:35.00 | enouf | no wonder the country is a mess |
| 10:35.09 | nsadmin | but if you change one copy, you don't change all |
| 10:35.12 | enouf | look at our nsa workers |
| 10:35.14 | enouf | :-p |
| 10:35.21 | nsadmin | so in that sense, it's not global |
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| 10:36.50 | nsadmin | for example... your shell you're running right now, |
| 10:36.56 | MeatShield | enouf: Thanks... I've got no problems with compiling and patching... done it a few times... It's just such a pain and such a small gain, that I don't want to do it once a month. Will the debian kernel lists discuss whether or not Lenny will be getting a new kernel before release? |
| 10:37.09 | nsadmin | it has its concept of what dir you're cd-ed to |
| 10:37.59 | enouf | MeatShield: well .. the kernel is constantly in flux and being worked on (from bugs to security fixes) .. you'd need to follow along .. |
| 10:38.29 | nsadmin | if you spawn off an xterm from that shell, the xterm will initially have cd-ed to the same dir but it can change it independently of your shell |
| 10:38.38 | enouf | MeatShield: but IINM, a .26 kernel will be the main kernel for Lenny .. naturally, i guess backports of newer kernels will soon follow |
| 10:39.34 | nsadmin | summary, it sounds to me you don't actually want a global variable, but a setting for each login shell to have a variable in its process be that value |
| 10:39.36 | MeatShield | enouf: Ok... thanks for tips I will check out the mailing list. |
| 10:40.02 | stoned | enouf, weenie chat |
| 10:40.26 | enouf | MeatShield: it's up to revision -11 from -1 IINM now .. but you can view/watch svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel for more |
| 10:40.36 | nsadmin | that sound right to you? |
| 10:40.46 | enouf | MeatShield: also note; wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 10:41.06 | enouf | stoned: i got fish - i'm hungry ;-) |
| 10:41.20 | stoned | ugh. |
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| 10:41.25 | stoned | dude thats sick. |
| 10:41.28 | enouf | !fish stoned |
| 10:41.29 | dpkg | slaps stoned around with a large trout |
| 10:41.35 | stoned | I know what you're talking about |
| 10:41.39 | stoned | and thats sick. |
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| 10:41.59 | enouf | stoned: dude, i'm talking food you airbrain |
| 10:42.06 | stoned | for real |
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| 10:42.38 | nsadmin | slaps a large trout around with whatever made him stoned... |
| 10:42.43 | stoned | lol |
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| 10:44.01 | nsadmin | a large trout stands menacingly before you wielding a piece of string |
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| 10:44.28 | MeatShield | enouf: Nice link. Thanks. |
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| 10:47.30 | fasta | enouf: thank you\ |
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| 10:49.37 | enouf | np guys |
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| 11:37.24 | gsamsa | are some of you debian developers? |
| 11:37.30 | gsamsa | how much time did it took ? |
| 11:37.36 | gsamsa | 1 month ? |
| 11:37.37 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.37 | Joelio | any idea why it takes so long for puppet packages to get out of testing and into stable? they've extremely out of date now |
| 11:38.16 | petemc | Joelio: stable doesnt get new packages |
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| 11:40.20 | enouf | drasko: might want to try channels like #asm, #gcc, ##c , etc |
| 11:40.33 | enouf | and maybe #arm :-p |
| 11:40.48 | jelly | why the c channels, though |
| 11:40.50 | drasko | enouf, tnx |
| 11:41.26 | enouf | i missed the arm bit at first |
| 11:42.12 | enouf | and b/c i'd figure if anyone can point him where to go/look, it's programmers :-p |
| 11:42.14 | Joelio | petemc: So as soon as etch went live, then that was it, no more package updates until lenny? |
| 11:42.39 | petemc | Joelio: except security updates, yeah |
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| 11:43.07 | petemc | and the other exception of a more recent kernel and some X stuff with etchnhalf |
| 11:43.25 | Joelio | petemc: Never new that, cheers.. ah well, looks like I'll have to setup my own repository for the puppet packages and rebuild them from testing. No big deal |
| 11:43.44 | petemc | Joelio: you can look for backported packages /msg dpkg backports |
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| 11:47.33 | EnQLey | Il parait, enfin j'ai entendu se matin, que vous êtiez tous des trous du cul c'est vrai cette histoir ? |
| 11:47.33 | Maulkin | !fr |
| 11:47.33 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:47.48 | Joelio | petemc: Cheers, but I'd rather not use pinning as I want to install the latest puppet via an FAI install, so I think just rebuilding for etch and using my own repo for the one package would be easier and more manageable in the long-term ;) |
| 11:47.49 | EnQLey | non vous pouvez parler français avec moi pas de problème |
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| 11:48.49 | EnQLey | Bon vous faites quoi de bien sur debian ce matin ? |
| 11:49.03 | EnQLey | Y a moyen de faire une partouze ? |
| 11:49.26 | EnQLey | Genre toute les filles du canal écarte leur jambes et moi je vien les penetrer |
| 11:49.50 | Joelio | petemc: Also puppet is not in backports ;) |
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| 11:52.55 | giusef | Hi all. Given a package installed as dependency, how can I know the corresponding explicit installed one? |
| 11:53.12 | enouf | rdepends perhaps |
| 11:53.37 | petemc | aptitude why foo |
| 11:53.59 | enouf | or .. check the logs ... or ... grep-dctrl .. or that |
| 11:54.23 | giusef | thanks :) |
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| 11:56.08 | hawiak | whats a amd64 sources.list line, please |
| 11:56.29 | enouf | same as any other |
| 11:56.53 | hawiak | i mean, how does it look like+ lookng for an example |
| 11:57.02 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 11:57.02 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 11:57.17 | hawiak | and where to 64 it |
| 11:57.19 | giusef | $ aptitude why kdebase-bin |
| 11:57.20 | giusef | i menu Consiglia gksu | kdebase-bin | kdebase-runtime | ktsuss | sux |
| 11:57.21 | giusef | lol |
| 11:57.27 | enouf | nowhere |
| 11:57.58 | hawiak | no pure64 or amd64 somewhere ? |
| 11:58.12 | hawiak | as i installed the sarge netinst w/o net, cause there was no pppd, now i can go online and go on |
| 11:58.14 | enouf | for the 3rd time, .. NO! |
| 11:58.22 | hawiak | but im missing the correct lines to install 64 not 32 |
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| 11:58.43 | hawiak | ok well last question then |
| 11:58.57 | hawiak | where to tell apt to favor 64bit over 32 |
| 11:59.09 | enouf | hawiak: it's ok - please ask .. i'm just teasing a bit ;-) |
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| 11:59.47 | enouf | hawiak: you do that at installation time - from using the correct media ARCH install media |
| 12:00.18 | MeatShield | Hi again... I can't seem to play wma files in rhtymbox... I've installed the codecs suggested online (fluendo, bad, ugly, pitfdll)... but no joy |
| 12:00.23 | enouf | why are you installing Sarge hawiak ? |
| 12:00.31 | hawiak | well in my sorces.list theres only tyhe cd |
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| 12:00.43 | hawiak | i did yes,planning on including etch and sid sources also |
| 12:00.46 | enouf | MeatShield: installed w32codecs pkg from dmm? |
| 12:00.54 | hawiak | but i coudnt select a mirror, cause no pppd was around to make a gsm net connection |
| 12:01.09 | MeatShield | No... I was hoping I wouldn't have to use dmm... but yes I will? |
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| 12:01.47 | enouf | hawiak: Sarge offered an amd64 port but it was unofficial, you should just grab the etch or lenny amd64 installation media if you want to use that - or look into debootstrap |
| 12:02.08 | enouf | MeatShield: yep - /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 12:02.31 | enouf | MeatShield: why would you think something named WMA would be FOSS? |
| 12:02.31 | MeatShield | ok. C'est la vie. |
| 12:02.47 | MeatShield | Same reason I can get mp3 playback from official debian repos |
| 12:02.55 | enouf | Wrong |
| 12:02.59 | MeatShield | Apparently |
| 12:03.01 | hawiak | a) how to mount a dm-crypt partition - > for debootstrap, or b) ust need a sources.list line for amd64 |
| 12:03.02 | MeatShield | :) |
| 12:04.04 | hawiak | oh |
| 12:04.06 | enouf | hawiak: sources.list lines don't have anything in them about architecture |
| 12:04.11 | hawiak | arch=amd64 nd will work |
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| 12:04.20 | hawiak | thanks j00 =) |
| 12:04.59 | enouf | what? |
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| 12:14.48 | lkd | i am root, i added a user for myself and when i try to install a file it says premision denied |
| 12:14.56 | r0ny | hi any idea why tomcat is listening on tcp6 |
| 12:14.56 | lkd | as root its fine |
| 12:16.24 | Aggro | lkd: What file are you trying to install and how when it fails? |
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| 12:24.59 | lrp | helloe everyone , i have a trouble with logrotate , my syslog is not being saved , and i dont know why he is keeping logs 6 days only i made a config and writred in logrotate.d http://rafb.net/p/VA89TJ89.html check there what i have wrong |
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| 12:30.02 | mulender | I have a an Xorg question only partly relating to fedora. I've noticed on one of my machines the newest versions of my favourite distros, Ubuntu and Fedora won't book to X and I've found out all the ones that won't have the same - recent version of xorg. The only brand new distro that boots there is Mandriva which puzzled me at first until I discovered it uses the older version of xorg. So what do I do. Report ir to all distros or Xorg? Is there some |
| 12:30.02 | mulender | mulender VGA command to get around this at boot? I'm asking here cos this seems to affect all the newest distros - except Lenny - and from past experience you seem to be the most knowledgeable people on this server about linux in general. |
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| 12:31.31 | mulender | The problem seem to relate to the integrated board that machine has cos popping in a standalone graphic card solves the issue. |
| 12:31.44 | mulender | How do I troube shoot an issue like this? |
| 12:31.44 | Aggro | mulender: Fastest route is to report it directly to Xorg, if you can provide them enough information about what is the problem and how to test it. |
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| 12:32.07 | Aggro | Distros will just forward the bug report there if they will, when they have time to do so. |
| 12:32.31 | Aggro | But obviously if you submit bug report to upstream you should test newest version they provide |
| 12:32.50 | Aggro | In case they have already fixed it in their development release |
| 12:32.50 | mulender | Aggro I'm guessing Lenny works because I use the Netinst disc and it can get extra stuff as it installs for my board? |
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| 12:33.09 | mulender | Aggro I will report it thanks |
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| 12:33.37 | mulender | It looks like that machine will have to run Debian cos it's the only thing that will run :) |
| 12:33.42 | mulender | For now at least |
| 12:33.54 | Cephalon | hello ppl, i am looking for a condor HTC compilation howto, anyone with expirience on condor? |
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| 12:33.56 | petemc | you say that like its a bad thing |
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| 12:34.53 | mulender | petemc I already run Debian on one machine. I'm aiming for variety to learn more that's all |
| 12:35.12 | mulender | I have to say Debian seems to get everything right for me. |
| 12:35.24 | mulender | Shame the others aren't as easy :( |
| 12:36.37 | apostle | mulender, I have used other distros and am most impressed with Debian. I have it running on 3 machines and will be installing it for some friends. |
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| 12:38.05 | mhymn_ | and that's why all of us are here now! |
| 12:38.21 | mulender | apostle as a newish Linux user what I've found is this. There are some things Debian won't do but following the manual always arrives at the expected conclusion. Whereas some other distros are less predictable. I guess that's more about documentation than any thing? |
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| 12:39.02 | apostle | mulender, are there specifics of what you want it to do..? |
| 12:40.05 | mulender | apostle to be honest most of the things I couldn't do I'm finding ways around - like I set up a repo for Wine cos the Deb Main one is too far behind. |
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| 12:41.12 | mulender | I'll be very happy when Lenny reaches release. It seems to have mostly caught up - It's really Etch that I'm finding a little hard work in that respect. |
| 12:41.59 | scientes | maybe you need the www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org |
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| 12:43.22 | mulender | scientes that's good i like that :) |
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| 12:44.20 | mhymn_ | and wine is already up to date in repositories |
| 12:44.24 | mhymn_ | judd: versions wine |
| 12:44.25 | judd | mhymn_: wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1 etch-backports: 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.1-1 sid: 1.0.1-1 experimental: 1.1.5-1 |
| 12:44.59 | mulender | judd yeah I was using etch |
| 12:45.00 | judd | mulender: Error: "yeah" is not a valid command. |
| 12:46.06 | mulender | judd I can see the advantage of using the official repo. That's why I'm waiting for Lenny Release. |
| 12:46.06 | judd | mulender: Error: "I" is not a valid command. |
| 12:46.18 | enouf | mulender: it;s a bot |
| 12:46.47 | mulender | Ah right should have looked I don;t keep the nick window open that'll teach me LOL |
| 12:46.58 | enouf | ? |
| 12:47.18 | enouf | you can't tell from the responses? |
| 12:47.25 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone tell me a lightweight mp3 player? |
| 12:47.27 | enouf | and the timing of such? |
| 12:47.34 | mulender | enouf clearly no this time :) |
| 12:47.44 | enouf | clearly ;-) |
| 12:47.45 | js_ | Knight_Lord: mpg123/321 |
| 12:47.45 | superjet_busy | Knight_Lord: mpd |
| 12:48.14 | abrotman | mpd is a bit more than an "mp3 player" |
| 12:48.17 | Knight_Lord | js_ with a graphical interface |
| 12:48.25 | mulender | Knight_Lord I like Samsung |
| 12:48.31 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: what is your WM/DE ? |
| 12:48.39 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: and which version of debian ? |
| 12:48.47 | Knight_Lord | abrotman windowmaker, sid |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: if you're familiar with xmms, audacious will look familiar (but it's not super light) |
| 12:49.25 | Knight_Lord | for some reason xmms is keeps on freezing otherwise i would use it |
| 12:49.32 | abrotman | xmms isn't in sid anymore |
| 12:49.38 | Knight_Lord | oh i see |
| 12:49.39 | abrotman | or it shouldn't be |
| 12:49.44 | mulender | Knight_Lord beep media player I like |
| 12:49.45 | Knight_Lord | probably legacy from the installation |
| 12:49.47 | mulender | It's tiny |
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| 12:49.55 | mhymn_ | what do you mean by lightweight? amarok is lightweight in some cases too! |
| 12:50.03 | abrotman | mhymn_: like a battleship |
| 12:50.05 | Knight_Lord | mhymn_ not at all |
| 12:50.20 | Knight_Lord | mhymn_ i mean lightweight as windowmaker is lightweight |
| 12:50.22 | enouf | !bloat |
| 12:50.22 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
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| 12:50.36 | enouf | wtf? |
| 12:50.49 | enouf | replaces that with his Bloat song .. |
| 12:51.12 | EnQLey | make a fart sound |
| 12:51.34 | mulender | enouf did you notice I misunderstood player for hardware there - it's just not my day. I stand by Beep though it's brilliant for me |
| 12:51.59 | enouf | Strike 2! |
| 12:52.02 | enouf | :-p |
| 12:52.32 | Knight_Lord | I'll try beep and audacious |
| 12:52.33 | mulender | Beep and Sylpheed are my two best discoveries in Linux |
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| 12:53.11 | enouf | aplay ftw |
| 12:53.26 | mulender | I have to go |
| 12:53.40 | enouf | you can't hold it in? |
| 12:53.56 | enouf | atleast until we get there? |
| 12:54.51 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know if it's possible to enqueue a directory tree in Beep media player? |
| 12:55.12 | enouf | !dict enqueue |
| 12:55.13 | mhymn_ | man beep ? |
| 12:55.13 | EnQLey | yes |
| 12:55.13 | dpkg | could not find definition for enqueue |
| 12:55.22 | EnQLey | mv /etc/ /dev/null |
| 12:55.35 | Knight_Lord | enouf to put in the queue |
| 12:55.37 | enouf | EnQLey: go away |
| 12:55.55 | Knight_Lord | enouf the menu option is called "Enqueue file" |
| 12:56.11 | enouf | that;s nice |
| 12:56.28 | Knight_Lord | enouf and define: enqueue in google seems to work |
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| 12:56.33 | Knight_Lord | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/enqueue |
| 12:56.47 | enouf | wonderful .. like i care anymore |
| 12:56.59 | Knight_Lord | but anyways does anyone know? |
| 12:57.17 | EnQLey | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagin |
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| 12:57.20 | Lirezh_off | hi |
| 12:57.36 | enouf | Knight_Lord: nm me, i'm just hungry .. and a bit tired |
| 12:57.38 | Lirezh_off | Anyone an idea how i can get debian to reinstall the base system? |
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| 12:58.00 | Lirezh_off | like the network management scripts, startup stuff |
| 12:59.00 | mhymn_ | !reinstall |
| 12:59.00 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 12:59.47 | Lirezh_off | i'll give it a try, thanks |
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| 13:00.01 | TwistOfFate | i need to learn awk and sed one day |
| 13:00.05 | TwistOfFate | too bad they're so hard |
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| 13:00.16 | Lirezh_off | the simple use of awk and sed is really not hard |
| 13:00.28 | WolvBite | hello. I need to make a directory that is owned by root and allows only a specific group. When anyone from the group either creates a directory or file the directory or file has root as owner and the group as group, other will have no access or no read. Can anyone help me set the perimissions for this directory |
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| 13:06.32 | Knight_Lord | abrotman audacious works great, many thanks |
| 13:07.46 | abrotman | Lirezh_off: why, just configure the network |
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| 13:07.55 | abrotman | !tell Lirezh_off about interfaces |
| 13:08.19 | Lirezh_off | me ? |
| 13:08.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:08.33 | Lirezh_off | i have a deeper problem |
| 13:08.35 | Lirezh_off | ,9 |
| 13:08.37 | abrotman | you cannot rerun the networking ncurses from the installation |
| 13:08.45 | abrotman | so if you need help solving a larger issue, say so |
| 13:08.56 | Lirezh_off | i had a hard disk failure, and i managed to save most of it on a backup harddisk, during the saving the disk crashed completely (it is hardware unaccessible now) |
| 13:09.02 | Lirezh_off | a lot of the system is fucked up |
| 13:09.22 | Lirezh_off | i don't want to reinstall *g so i try to repair it by the use of apt-get |
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| 13:09.28 | abrotman | !tell WolvBite about permissions |
| 13:09.41 | abrotman | Lirezh_off: so start with the first step .. which is? setting up the network ? |
| 13:09.54 | Lirezh_off | network works now |
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| 13:09.57 | Lirezh_off | but eth0 is gone |
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| 13:10.02 | Lirezh_off | it suddenly is eth1 ^^ |
| 13:10.04 | Lirezh_off | no idea |
| 13:10.12 | abrotman | Lirezh_off: /msg dpkg z25 .. there's a file to edit to change that |
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| 13:10.42 | abrotman | just make sure both eth0 and eth1 are configured .. fix that file that 'z25' mentions, and when you reboot the system, your 'eth1' should now be 'eth0' |
| 13:11.02 | Lirezh_off | hmm did not know about that, it's udev that's managing it ? |
| 13:11.02 | Lirezh_off | nice |
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| 13:11.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:11.28 | Lirezh_off | so that#s why it is eth1 now, the mac changed |
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| 13:12.28 | my007ms | i have vfat partition that auto mount with my system. i need make it ready/write by all users not only by root |
| 13:12.57 | abrotman | Lirezh_off: right .. so udev gives it a new interface (kind of wish there was a way to turn that off permanently that i knew about) |
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| 13:19.19 | tarzeau | did anyone else recieve an email from russia asking for a wood oven? |
| 13:19.27 | tarzeau | with a picture of the mother and her daughter? |
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| 13:22.35 | jelly | tarzeau: that's ... inventive. |
| 13:23.24 | tarzeau | jelly: but is it real or spam? |
| 13:23.39 | tarzeau | that's the url http://elegal.nextmail.ru/ourpic.jpg |
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| 13:24.28 | jelly | tarzeau: I didn't get it. |
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| 14:01.15 | abrotman | !flw |
| 14:01.15 | dpkg | somebody said flw4 was <Phated> compubomb: If you're told something three times, it's true. |
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| 14:04.43 | beardy | !wtf flw |
| 14:04.44 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what flw means... |
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| 14:05.11 | beardy | Oh.. nevermind. |
| 14:06.14 | kladizkov | when i take kruler in gnome it has got title bar and window border...is there any way to remove that and make kruler as in kde? |
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| 14:06.53 | twobitsprite | kladizkov: does the man page say anything about that? |
| 14:07.54 | kladizkov | no, its supposed to work without title bar and window borders.. |
| 14:08.40 | twobitsprite | kladizkov: no, the man page doesn't say anything about that; or no, I'm not going to check because it should just work? |
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| 14:09.38 | kladizkov | hehe...everything should just work...but, sometimes things won't ;) |
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| 14:10.34 | siji | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.00 | twobitsprite | kladizkov: well... it is *K*ruler, after all |
| 14:12.07 | twobitsprite | gnome doesn't have a ruler program? |
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| 14:12.48 | twobitsprite | kladizkov: http://directory.fsf.org/project/gnome-screen-ruler/ |
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| 14:13.27 | kladizkov | but it doesn't have one feature that kruler has.. |
| 14:13.31 | plb_ | Anyone know of a way to display the amount of packages available for upgrade as opposed to a list of packages. For instance "2 updates" rather than show the packages? |
| 14:14.01 | abrotman | beardy: famous last words |
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| 14:14.18 | beardy | abrotman: Yep, it.. got to me. |
| 14:14.25 | twobitsprite | siji: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 14:14.30 | siji | ok |
| 14:14.33 | siji | tks |
| 14:14.40 | twobitsprite | siji: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com |
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| 14:15.09 | twobitsprite | kladizkov: sorry... complain to gnome |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | kladizkov: I'd imagine your current WM would have to support Qt widgets .. i don't think every WM does that ? |
| 14:16.49 | kladizkov | oh |
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| 14:17.42 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I don't think WM's have to support any given toolkit... the app links with the toolkit and uses it to render widgets... I don't think the WM is involved in this process |
| 14:18.02 | twobitsprite | I think the problem is that kruler is making KDE specific calls to eliminate its border |
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| 14:18.21 | twobitsprite | it is an integral part of KDE afterall |
| 14:18.40 | abrotman | he could go ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 14:20.40 | enouf | kladizkov: for shits and giggles, have you tried toggling f11? |
| 14:20.58 | my007ms | i have install new debian system |
| 14:21.06 | my007ms | and now when i try do apt-cache search gns3 |
| 14:21.16 | my007ms | i see not result i am sure it was there |
| 14:21.22 | enouf | you forgot update |
| 14:22.12 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 14:22.28 | Ace2016 | is it worth using hardware raid if you are using encryption (luks) ? |
| 14:22.42 | Eulex | my007ms, gns3 is only in testing and unstable |
| 14:22.51 | Ace2016 | would it be better to use software raid and with encryption or use hardware raid with encryption? |
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| 14:23.15 | enouf | judd: versions gns3 |
| 14:23.16 | judd | enouf: gns3 -- lenny/non-free: 0.5-1 sid/non-free: 0.5-1 |
| 14:24.01 | twobitsprite | Ace2016: I would imagine that encryption wouldn't affect the raid in any significant way... |
| 14:24.06 | enouf | Ace2016: i think you shouldn't factor in the encryption part - but if you must .. |
| 14:24.22 | my007ms | Eulex i use lenny/sid |
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| 14:24.48 | enouf | !tell my007ms -about non-free |
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| 14:24.57 | twobitsprite | Ace2016: in other words... with or without encryption, the decision between s/w and h/w raid is based on the same factors, namely: cost and performance |
| 14:25.19 | enouf | and recovery ;-) |
| 14:25.25 | Eulex | enouf, good poin |
| 14:25.26 | Eulex | t |
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| 14:25.39 | twobitsprite | enouf: well... that's a given with raid |
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| 14:25.59 | twobitsprite | (except raid 0, which isn't really raid... it's more like "aid") |
| 14:26.40 | enouf | twobitsprite: i mean concerning a hardware controller freaking out and taking out your array and motherboard, and you not being able to find replacements |
| 14:26.56 | twobitsprite | ohh... |
| 14:27.09 | twobitsprite | well... have a backup controler! :P |
| 14:27.22 | enouf | !plan |
| 14:27.22 | dpkg | plan is, like, Lancelot, Galahad, and I leap out of the rabbit, taking the french not only by supprise, but completely unarmed! |
| 14:27.26 | twobitsprite | besides, software raid bugging out can be just as much of a problem |
| 14:27.30 | enouf | ;-) |
| 14:27.39 | twobitsprite | lmao |
| 14:27.50 | enouf | twobitsprite: but - it can be taken elsewhere and debugged ;-) |
| 14:28.01 | twobitsprite | true... but its slow as hell |
| 14:28.08 | enouf | no it isn't .. |
| 14:28.26 | twobitsprite | slower than hardware raid |
| 14:28.36 | enouf | not always .. |
| 14:28.58 | xingu | it probably would be if you were running it on an openwrt box |
| 14:29.00 | abrotman | twobitsprite: the depends on the system load and the hardware in the system |
| 14:29.07 | twobitsprite | sure... it depends on the hardware controller.. but offloading the calculations from the processor can't have a negative impact on performance |
| 14:29.16 | enouf | xingu: haha |
| 14:29.54 | enouf | twobitsprite: how about a poorly setup raid5 (hard) vs a properly dispersed raid10(soft) |
| 14:30.01 | xingu | twobitsprite: depends how you slice and dice "performance" - it's a classic latency verses bandwidth tradeoff |
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| 14:30.15 | twobitsprite | enouf: that's a configuration problem, not a fundamental difference |
| 14:30.35 | enouf | twobitsprite: we're all about non-fundamentals here - too many mentals ;-) |
| 14:30.54 | twobitsprite | heh |
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| 14:31.15 | enouf | twobitsprite: think about it - you can't make a blanket statement when so many factors are left un .. discussed |
| 14:31.46 | enouf | then throw in some PEBKAC and whamo! |
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| 14:32.13 | xingu | such as enumerating the effective bandwidth delay product differential between the two cases |
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| 14:32.39 | xingu | also known as xingu's "how much water is there in the hosepipe" theory. |
| 14:32.52 | xingu | or in this case, how many incomplete iops are there in flight |
| 14:33.26 | enouf | iops? didn't he write some Fables or something? :-P |
| 14:33.48 | xingu | enouf: the nice thing about hw raid screwups is that there's someone to sue... |
| 14:33.56 | enouf | hehe |
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| 14:36.20 | plb_ | does anyone know of a way to list the amount of packages available for update opposed to which packages? |
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| 14:37.01 | Xilent | i need to modify an post-install script, where can i find it? |
| 14:37.21 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.01 | Xilent | petemc, thx! |
| 14:38.21 | petemc | np |
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| 14:44.40 | enouf | plb_: update-notifier - Daemon which notifies about package updates ?? |
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| 14:45.30 | abrotman | plb_: why does it actually matter? |
| 14:46.41 | plb_ | well I'm trying to write a script for conky that displays available updates |
| 14:47.09 | enouf | heh, i was going to initially tell you to script it :-P |
| 14:47.20 | plb_ | heh |
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| 14:47.26 | plb_ | hm |
| 14:47.26 | enouf | you've been asking for days now :-) |
| 14:47.34 | plb_ | well 2 days lol |
| 14:47.38 | plb_ | hm |
| 14:47.39 | abrotman | plb_: why not just grep/cut ? |
| 14:47.47 | plb_ | that's what I'm actually doing now |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | or as enouf suggested, use update-notifier |
| 14:48.10 | plb_ | I'm grepping apt-get --simulate upgrade output |
| 14:48.11 | asg | or cron-apt |
| 14:48.16 | enouf | and/or cron-apt as is mentioned in ... |
| 14:48.27 | enouf | s/in/by asg ;-) |
| 14:48.29 | plb_ | ya I was thinkin cron-apt |
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| 14:49.00 | plb_ | cron-apt would probably be the best solution I think |
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| 14:52.42 | abrotman | but cron-apt doesn't run all the time ? |
| 14:52.57 | plb_ | I think it runs at a specified time |
| 14:53.19 | plb_ | not sure I'm looking into it now |
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| 14:59.19 | plb_ | hm I found a script by mattias for updates...perhaps I'll just edit this |
| 15:02.25 | dashs | I've got a custom kernel for one PC and I'd like to 'skip' update notfication for the kernel. Is there a way to ignore soem updates? |
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| 15:03.58 | d-b | dashs: but you might still be affected |
| 15:04.06 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.33 | abrotman | dashs: if you uninstall all traces of debian kernels, it won't tell you anymore |
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| 15:04.44 | ronny | hi |
| 15:04.55 | ronny | is there any alternative irc port for irc.debian.org? |
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| 15:05.06 | abrotman | ronny: this is freenode, not OFTC |
| 15:05.17 | abrotman | irc.debian.org points at OFTC |
| 15:05.24 | d-b | ronny: you mean like 9999 for ssl for oftc |
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| 15:05.30 | ronny | oh, ok |
| 15:05.30 | enouf | ronny: you can also use 8001 |
| 15:05.34 | d-b | (i think it is 9999) |
| 15:05.36 | ronny | thanks |
| 15:05.39 | abrotman | on OFTC ? |
| 15:05.41 | ronny | good to know |
| 15:05.53 | enouf | erm .. let me check .. |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | 8001 works on freenode ... |
| 15:06.52 | enouf | im using 6668 on oftc |
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| 15:07.03 | dashs | d-b perhaps i'd really like to see the notification, then ignore the updates if it's module-only update |
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| 15:07.26 | enouf | can prolly use 6667-6669, or so |
| 15:07.42 | TwistOfFate | why does irc.debian.org redirect oftc? |
| 15:07.46 | TwistOfFate | didn't it use to redirect here? |
| 15:08.24 | enouf | dashs: some combo of either equivs and/or hold might work |
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| 15:09.41 | nsadmin | TwistOfFate: that was a political struggle, which started as an effort to steal freenode |
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| 15:10.46 | d-b | nsadmin: oh really |
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| 15:11.41 | nsadmin | they not only were trying to convince the server operators to disconnect, but there were also efforts to weaken lilo financially in order to force him to give up the domain |
| 15:12.18 | d-b | who? |
| 15:12.18 | TwistOfFate | it's just a shame. |
| 15:12.23 | nsadmin | oftc |
| 15:12.30 | TwistOfFate | i see this is as the premier debian irc channel. it's a shame to see the channel split. |
| 15:12.45 | dashs | enouf; can apt-listchanges handle this? |
| 15:12.46 | nsadmin | it never really did |
| 15:13.03 | nsadmin | the numbers didn't die, they continued to grow |
| 15:13.10 | TwistOfFate | so what's oftc? |
| 15:13.13 | newbfoobar | What should i do to make a process run (it dosn't get any cpu time ) : i used nice to give it lower nice priority but still it dosn't run (0 cpu time) |
| 15:13.15 | TwistOfFate | is that a competitor to freenode |
| 15:13.25 | nsadmin | go and see. irc.oftc.org |
| 15:13.30 | nsadmin | err .net |
| 15:13.57 | d-b | nsadmin: you meant .org right |
| 15:14.13 | nsadmin | umm,, is it .org or .net? |
| 15:14.21 | d-b | apparently neigher |
| 15:14.41 | d-b | !otfc |
| 15:14.46 | Eulex | !oftc |
| 15:14.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 15:15.02 | d-b | mm so it is .net |
| 15:15.14 | d-b | http://www.oftc.net/oftc/ |
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| 15:16.59 | dtcrshr | hi folks, im with debian etch. i open gnomebaker trhought the gui, but when i select the .iso file to burn it tells me that cant find teh dvdr. i use sudo gnomebaker, but it dont burn. how do i set gnomnebaker to have permission to use the dvdr? |
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| 15:17.12 | enouf | dashs: huh? apt-listchanges just shows you the changelogs of (about to be) installed pkgs |
| 15:18.24 | enouf | dashs: and there's nothing wrong with having various and many kernels installed on your system (just ensure your /boot isn't too small, if it's a separate partition) |
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| 15:19.18 | enouf | dashs: the only thing you might want to tweak is grub's menu.lst and the "default N" entry, where N is a number |
| 15:19.39 | dashs | enouf; ok -- as long as the grub defautl boot is the custom kernel. |
| 15:19.43 | nsadmin | you might try "default saved" |
| 15:20.06 | Samb1 | hi I'm trying to install vmware server at the mo on debian... its asking me where the C header files for my running kernal are... (with the default of /usr/src/linux/include but thats not existing apparently) does anyone know here that directory is? |
| 15:20.22 | nsadmin | but you have to uncomment the savedefault line |
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| 15:20.28 | enouf | otherwise, i'd let newer kernels install ... and default doesn't even affect me, i rarely reboot and the timeout is like 30 so i just choose which kernel i want to boot |
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| 15:22.58 | enouf | Samb1: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:23.22 | dashs | enouf; ok -- thanks |
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| 15:24.37 | Samb1 | ok theres quite a few, how do I check which kernel I'm running? |
| 15:24.37 | enouf | dashs ... crap |
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| 15:25.15 | enouf | you can even edit /etc/kernel-img.conf so update-grub doesn't run on installation of Debian Kernels |
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| 15:25.45 | Samb1 | ahh thats the uname thing |
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| 15:34.38 | enouf | d-b: irc.debian.org is easier to remember :-p |
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| 15:35.38 | clusty | hey |
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| 15:36.30 | clusty | i installed a raid 0 for the database server. now trying to find some good params regardign the stripe size. any hints on what might make a good choice? |
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| 15:38.59 | plb_ | hm my scripting skills are lacking but I came up with this though my system is up to date so not sure http://pastebin.com/m47655a59 |
| 15:39.16 | plb_ | anyone want to try it ? |
| 15:39.45 | nsadmin | try? do or do not... there is no try |
| 15:39.53 | plb_ | heh |
| 15:40.53 | stew | plb_: why not use cron-apt |
| 15:41.28 | plb_ | stew: I could but I dunno I'm just looking for something that outputs whether or not there are available updates in conky |
| 15:41.55 | plb_ | I'm unsure if I'm missing something though |
| 15:42.10 | stew | plb_: "aptitude search '~U'" is probably a more robust test |
| 15:43.02 | plb_ | ah didn't know about that one |
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| 15:43.07 | stew | plb_: note that yours would not catch when there are only upgrades which require a dist-upgrade, it woud misclassify "10 upgraded" |
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| 15:43.49 | plb_ | stew: the method you just posted which catch that? |
| 15:43.56 | plb_ | would* |
| 15:45.03 | stew | plb_: "aptitude search '~U'" would return zero lines if nothing is upgradable |
| 15:45.25 | stew | hmm, unfortunately not mathing anything doesn't affect the exit status |
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| 15:45.35 | plb_ | hm |
| 15:45.43 | sebbs | is there any skypeclient for console around? |
| 15:46.05 | sebbs | or any skype client compiled for a arm processor |
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| 15:47.07 | jelly | sebbs: you'll have to ask Skype; their application is closed source, not available in debian |
| 15:47.57 | sebbs | jelly: so if a applicaiton had a plugin for skype that would not be included? |
| 15:47.57 | sebbs | like lets say centerim had one |
| 15:48.30 | stew | sebbs: how is the skype plugin for centerim licensed? |
| 15:49.00 | stew | sebbs: skype is not excluded from debian becuase it is skype, but becuase of its distribution license |
| 15:49.14 | sebbs | exactly |
| 15:49.44 | sebbs | i asked if there was any skypeclient around for a arm processor (or a console) nothing about the skype GUI application. |
| 15:49.52 | sebbs | i missunderstood |
| 15:49.54 | stew | sebbs: apt-cache search skype |
| 15:50.18 | sebbs | stew: i have already looked there |
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| 15:50.31 | stew | sebbs: you should have found all the available clients then, which is probably none |
| 15:50.40 | sebbs | and on freshmeat, was just wondering if anyone knew of one, not how to aquire the information |
| 15:50.49 | sebbs | stew: yes i know that, i have already looked there |
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| 15:51.22 | sebbs | i was wondering if anybody knew of one that was not in the standard repo, perhaps if there was a need for one or whatnot |
| 15:51.26 | sebbs | nevermind :) thanks anyway |
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| 15:51.54 | plb_ | stew: if aptitude search '~U' returns no output for no updates available how do I match this in an if statement? |
| 15:52.18 | plb_ | in bash |
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| 15:54.30 | stew | plb_: perhaps, "aptitude search '~U' | grep -q ." which would quit returning success as soon as a single byte of output was produced, otherwise exiting with failure |
| 15:54.49 | Eulex | syn |
| 15:54.54 | plb_ | hm ok..lets see what I can do here |
| 15:55.12 | stew | plb_: or you could say, "numupgrades=$(aptitude search '~U' | wc -l)" |
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| 15:58.08 | plb_ | stew: wc -l lists number of updates? |
| 15:58.56 | stew | plb_: yes, since 'aptitude search' lists one package per line |
| 15:59.00 | asg | plb_: lists number of lines in the output which happens to be the number of packages getting updated |
| 15:59.14 | plb_ | stew: genious you are...that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 15:59.34 | asg | !karma stew |
| 15:59.34 | dpkg | stew has karma of 30 |
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| 16:01.40 | coddy | hello |
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| 16:03.44 | rep | test |
| 16:04.36 | twobitsprite | -stew |
| 16:05.22 | twobitsprite | twobitsprite++ |
| 16:05.32 | twobitsprite | dpktwobitsprite++ |
| 16:05.35 | twobitsprite | dpkg: twobitsprite++ |
| 16:05.41 | twobitsprite | heh |
| 16:06.04 | coddy | its realy quit in here |
| 16:06.11 | Eulex | !karma twobitsprite |
| 16:06.11 | dpkg | twobitsprite has neutral karma |
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| 16:06.45 | twobitsprite | hangs his head in shame |
| 16:08.03 | sebbs | !karma sebbs |
| 16:08.03 | dpkg | sebbs has neutral karma |
| 16:08.09 | sebbs | :/ |
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| 16:13.43 | JeanEdouardF | Hi there ! |
| 16:13.47 | JeanEdouardF | See that : http://tinyurl.com/WTFLOLoff |
| 16:13.50 | JeanEdouardF | What can I do ? |
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| 16:14.06 | hoxu | !ops JeanEdouardF spamming |
| 16:14.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: JeanEdouardF spamming |
| 16:14.12 | JeanEdouardF | sorry :( |
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| 16:14.44 | plb_ | stew: this seems a bit better http://pastebin.com/m71c6d70c |
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| 16:15.49 | plb_ | Can someone with updates available try this script? |
| 16:16.02 | mordy | i installed debian via debootstrap on another disk (really easy, thought it would be moroe difficult) but i need some tips on installing grub - i want to make that installation bootable |
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| 16:16.40 | hoxu | plb_, the "aptitude search "~U" |wc -l" part is valid, you can work from there |
| 16:16.53 | mordy | grub-install /dev/sdb gives me "grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / ." |
| 16:17.11 | mordy | (i'm chrooted into that installation, if that makes any difference) |
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| 16:19.16 | peteweez | Is there any way to get make-kpkg to generate an initramfs instead of an initrd in a manner as idiot-proof as make-kpkg --mkinitrd kernel_image? That option automatically determines everything that needs to be on the initrd. |
| 16:19.45 | petemc | mordy: ive found grub-install not to work all the time, you can use the grub shell , root (hd1,1) , setup (hd1) |
| 16:20.11 | petemc | mordy: you can use tab completion to double check device names |
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| 16:21.51 | cusco | does anybody know when using tar -j how to make bzip2 compress best (using bzip2's flag -9) |
| 16:22.04 | mordy | grub says (0,0) because it's chrooted into that disk |
| 16:22.18 | mordy | so apparently it's oblivious to the other disks around |
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| 16:22.35 | mordy | but let me try - |
| 16:22.43 | Hideme_ | does anyone know how to convert a PDF to image format? |
| 16:22.48 | hoxu | cusco, isn't -9 / --best default for bzip2? |
| 16:23.05 | Gary | 18 |
| 16:23.10 | cusco | hoxu: not sure really, is it? |
| 16:23.13 | cahoot | Hideme_: use convert? |
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| 16:23.18 | hoxu | cusco, man bzip2 |
| 16:23.24 | petemc | mordy: geometry (hd<tab> |
| 16:23.26 | hoxu | cusco, read what it says about the options there |
| 16:23.28 | Hideme_ | cahoot never heard of it. |
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| 16:23.43 | cahoot | Hideme_: part of imagemagick |
| 16:23.50 | cusco | hoxu: you're right |
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| 16:23.55 | cusco | just spoted that on the man page |
| 16:24.04 | cusco | thanks |
| 16:24.06 | mordy | ok, i've got to setup (hd0) and i get this: Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 16:24.57 | hoxu | cusco, for some example data on how gzip/bzip2 behaves with different options versus size/time, see http://blog.fealdia.org/2007/07/05/compression-program-comparison/ |
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| 16:25.15 | cusco | ok thanks |
| 16:25.18 | hoxu | cusco, in summary: the defaults are usually good for gzip and bzip2, don't worry about them unless you really really know what you are doing :P |
| 16:25.43 | peteweez | Does make-kpkg provide a simple way to make an initramfs? |
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| 16:27.20 | doudou | Hi, i went yesterday about a sound card not working ... now it works! you should simply change a bios option!! |
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| 16:28.11 | doudou | i wonder why linux can be block by a bios option, i supposed linux was controling the hardware |
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| 16:29.01 | mordy | grub> install (hd0,1) -- gives me "file not found" |
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| 16:29.55 | petemc | mordy: i would very careful where you try to install grub |
| 16:29.59 | doudou | anyway, i tried vlc, xine, mplayer, xine make a nicier screen but complains the computer is too slow, many things seems made with the cpu and not the graphic card |
| 16:30.01 | [1]Kl0r | trying to install grub through the command line sometimes is a biatch |
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| 16:30.09 | petemc | which is why i told you to check the device names |
| 16:30.17 | lxsameer | each time a connect the lan cable to my linux box , i should set ip for several time to take effect, what is the problem |
| 16:30.30 | doudou | question is i cant find xine-lib |
| 16:30.31 | mordy | i've got the device names in order here |
| 16:30.38 | [1]Kl0r | why, dont you have dhcp enabled? |
| 16:30.46 | mordy | and tabbing works too |
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| 16:30.59 | petemc | mordy: you said it was sdb ? |
| 16:31.04 | mordy | yeah |
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| 16:31.31 | mordy | but in grub it's 0,1 (the linux partition) |
| 16:31.41 | peteweez | doudou: the BIOS has control over whether certain hardware is enabled or not |
| 16:32.25 | peteweez | doudou: for example, if you have an integrated graphics chip and you buy and install a dedicated card, you sometimes have to disable the integrated chip in the BIOS to get the dedicated card to work |
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| 16:32.37 | peteweez | That's probably what happened to you. |
| 16:32.42 | doudou | peteweez i beleived that bios can only control hardware before boot, and then linux take care of every thing |
| 16:32.51 | [1]Kl0r | noo |
| 16:32.55 | [1]Kl0r | bios is you king |
| 16:32.56 | peteweez | doudou: Errrmmmm...more complicated than that |
| 16:33.19 | peteweez | BIOS has control over whether something's enabled or not |
| 16:33.32 | peteweez | if it's enabled, then linux can do whatever the f*** it wants with the hardware |
| 16:33.38 | peteweez | (assuming you have a functional driver) |
| 16:33.49 | doudou | if bios does not enable, linux cant enable afterward? |
| 16:33.55 | peteweez | exactly |
| 16:34.17 | peteweez | Linux cannot alter settings made during BIOS setup. |
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| 16:35.00 | doudou | could there be some spy stuff in bios? many viruses exploits? i mean while the system is running? |
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| 16:35.32 | peteweez | It can happen...but it's rare. |
| 16:35.46 | opensrcguru | guys. i have a nessus scanner that used to work fine and scan 2 x /24's every evening. now it runs for days and never finishes. it appears ping_host.nasl is not finishing properly and I can't discern as to why. |
| 16:35.48 | peteweez | You can have a Master Boot Record virus. |
| 16:35.57 | peteweez | doudou: I wouldn't worry about it |
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| 16:36.18 | peteweez | doudou: If you're paranoid, install an open-source BIOS...but trust me, you really don't want to do that |
| 16:36.28 | opensrcguru | does anyone know of new issues with that particular plugin? |
| 16:36.42 | peteweez | doudou: I'm not sure I understand the question you asked beforehand about xine, VLC, etc. Could you explain it to me please? |
| 16:36.55 | doudou | peteweez, you run apache, or something professionnaly? if you cant trust your computer ... |
| 16:37.14 | peteweez | doudou: No, I just have a computer for personal use. |
| 16:37.44 | peteweez | doudou: The risk, if it exists at all (and I'm not even sure of that), is negligible, even in a professional context. |
| 16:37.51 | doudou | xine proposed xine-check who said reinstall xine-lib that aptitude does not want to hear anything about |
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| 16:38.09 | peteweez | doudou: What do you mean by "proposed"? |
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| 16:38.25 | plb_ | stew: you still around? |
| 16:39.35 | peteweez | I'll repeat my question: Does anyone know of a painless way to switch from using an initrd to an initramfs with make-kpkg? |
| 16:39.51 | plb_ | ok..when I run apt-get update and don't want to see the output is this the best method apt-get -qy update > /dev/null |
| 16:40.05 | doudou | xine said run xine-check to see why your system is slow, i did it, then he start speaking of reinstalling xine-lib, but aptitude does not know xine-lib |
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| 16:40.17 | peteweez | doudou: Oh! |
| 16:40.25 | peteweez | doudou: It's probably libxine or something |
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| 16:40.34 | peteweez | doudou: I'll look it up for you if you give me a moment. |
| 16:40.42 | doudou | xine-check told also, that my cpu was doing most of the job of the graphic card |
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| 16:41.06 | petemc | peteweez: whats the difference between initrd and initramfs? |
| 16:41.07 | peteweez | doudou: could you run glxinfo|grep -i render in a terminal for me? |
| 16:41.15 | peteweez | petemc: initrd is deprecated |
| 16:41.16 | petemc | peteweez: do you mean swap mkinitrd with mkinitramfs? |
| 16:41.22 | peteweez | initramfs is built into the kernel |
| 16:41.22 | peteweez | yeah |
| 16:41.24 | peteweez | exactl |
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| 16:41.27 | peteweez | *exactly |
| 16:41.31 | petemc | mkinitramfs creates an initrd |
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| 16:41.36 | doudou | how do i know x version? |
| 16:41.47 | [1]Kl0r | you are working with LiveCDs or something |
| 16:41.47 | lxsameer | how can i turn off the firewall |
| 16:41.52 | peteweez | doudou: aptitude should tell you |
| 16:42.05 | peteweez | petemc: no...mkinitramfs makes an initramfs |
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| 16:42.11 | peteweez | mkinitrd makes an initrd |
| 16:42.19 | peteweez | they're different formats |
| 16:42.24 | peteweez | mkinitramfs is built into the kernel |
| 16:42.28 | doudou | aptitude search xserver told xserver-xorg-core |
| 16:42.28 | peteweez | *initramfs |
| 16:42.41 | peteweez | alright look up the installed version on that |
| 16:42.46 | doudou | i use fluxbox, that i like very much |
| 16:42.52 | peteweez | petemc: initrd's are loaded separately |
| 16:42.54 | alys | Please, can anyone remember the application that will allow me to switch off gdm in debian? |
| 16:43.00 | stew | many would consider an initramfs a type of initrd, such as make-kpkg, which makes a package which would create an initramfs when you pass it the --initrd option |
| 16:43.19 | peteweez | stew: ahhh are you kidding me |
| 16:43.20 | stew | alys: "aptitude remove gdm"? update-rc.d? |
| 16:43.25 | stew | peteweez: no |
| 16:43.29 | peteweez | do you realize how much of an idiot I feel like right now? |
| 16:43.36 | stew | not at all |
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| 16:43.51 | peteweez | stew: I generated a kernel image with make-kpkg --mkinitrd kernel_image |
| 16:43.53 | peteweez | then I installed it |
| 16:44.03 | plb_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/mf2a9edb this seems to work. Am I missing anything I should know of? |
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| 16:44.09 | alys | Thank you, stew - but I think removing gdm will remove gnome, too - I'll give it a try. |
| 16:44.10 | peteweez | I thought I had an initrd because there is an initrd in my menu.lst and in my /boot |
| 16:44.21 | stew | plb_: you don't need to use sudo |
| 16:44.42 | doudou | cant grep -> glxinfo command not found, aptitude search glxinfo returns |
| 16:44.52 | peteweez | doudou: the package you seek is known as libxine1 |
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| 16:45.10 | notlim | hola |
| 16:45.16 | notlim | oigan una pregunta |
| 16:45.27 | aadil | hola |
| 16:45.29 | plb_ | stew: I'm running the script via conky |
| 16:45.30 | notlim | para usar iptables tengo que tener instalado y corriendo apache |
| 16:45.33 | Orion_X11 | Which is the best book to learn debian OS? |
| 16:45.50 | aadil | notlim, english channel |
| 16:45.54 | aadil | :) |
| 16:45.56 | peteweez | doudou: could you run apt-get install mesa-utils? |
| 16:46.03 | notlim | upsss sorry |
| 16:46.05 | notlim | ok |
| 16:46.11 | aadil | try #debian.es or #debianes |
| 16:46.17 | aadil | np |
| 16:46.31 | peteweez | doudou: that provides glxinfo |
| 16:46.53 | peteweez | stew: How do I know for sure whether I'm using an initramfs or an initrd? |
| 16:47.04 | peteweez | stew: Because I'm pretty sure I'm still using an initrd. |
| 16:47.44 | stew | peteweez: "file /path/to/initrd" ; a initrd would be a "cramfs" something or otther, and a initramfs would be gzip compressed |
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| 16:47.58 | mhymn_ | Orion_X11: debian.org/doc |
| 16:48.11 | stew | peteweez: or, when you install the kernel, you'll see it using initramfs or yaird if it is an initramfs, or mkinitrd if it is an initrd |
| 16:48.22 | plb_ | stew: thanks for your help |
| 16:48.34 | Orion_X11 | mhymn_: I mean an amazon book for example |
| 16:48.51 | peteweez | stew: much obliged |
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| 16:49.32 | stew | plb_: you're welcome. you might consider sending whatever you end up coming up with as a wishlist bug to conky if you think others would find this helpful. it could perhaps be included in the examples directory |
| 16:49.50 | plb_ | stew: I plan on posting this debian forums docs and howtos |
| 16:49.54 | peteweez | stew: It's an initramfs. I misunderstood the nature of initramfs. I thought that an initramfs was built into the kernel image and didn't need to be called separately on the GRUB prompt. |
| 16:49.55 | doudou | so, libxine1 is intalled, i should not reintall it |
| 16:49.58 | doudou | direct rendering: No |
| 16:49.58 | peteweez | Thank you. |
| 16:49.58 | doudou | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 16:50.19 | plb_ | stew: but yeah that's a good idea also |
| 16:50.41 | plb_ | brb |
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| 16:50.44 | peteweez | doudou: lspci|grep -i vga |
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| 16:51.08 | peteweez | doudou: What that means is that your video driver isn't installed and no hardware acceleration is possible |
| 16:51.23 | peteweez | doudou: We have to find and install your video card's driver |
| 16:51.32 | peteweez | Fun fun fun! |
| 16:52.00 | doudou | the xine-check http://pastebin.ca/1286931 |
| 16:52.18 | [2]Kl0r | man X on linux is generally a total mess, a pretty awesome one nontheless though |
| 16:52.55 | doudou | it is a ati radeon, seems i must go to amd site and download some code, well i dislike that way |
| 16:52.55 | lxsameer | how can i turn off SELINUX |
| 16:53.08 | abrotman | how did you turn it on? |
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| 16:53.57 | peteweez | doudou: Unfortunately, I cannot help you with your questions related to xine; however, I can probably help with getting your graphics driver up and running |
| 16:54.28 | peteweez | [2]Kl0r: apropos of...? |
| 16:54.33 | peteweez | I mean, you're right |
| 16:54.39 | peteweez | but why say that the sky is blue? |
| 16:54.52 | peteweez | doudou: you may not need to install the proprietary driver |
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| 16:55.45 | mordy | ok, this is an even stranger error than what i got before - i copied the files from /usr/lib/grub/whatever to /boot/grub/ and did root (0,1) from the shell as well as this: http://rafb.net/p/enVNcc35.html |
| 16:55.47 | peteweez | doudou: first, I need you to paste the output of lspci|grep -i vga or lspci|grep -i ati |
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| 16:57.09 | mordy | i wonder if there's something wrong with the disk itself, i can't say for sure it's in top shape lol |
| 16:57.15 | doudou | lscpi -> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobilitiy Radeon HD 3450 |
| 16:57.21 | peteweez | doudou: OK |
| 16:57.23 | peteweez | we can work with that |
| 16:57.33 | peteweez | I have a very similar card |
| 16:57.41 | peteweez | Mobility Radeon HD 3650 |
| 16:57.45 | peteweez | it can work |
| 16:58.12 | peteweez | First, I need you to go to aptitude and install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 16:58.21 | peteweez | Or verify that it is already installed. |
| 16:58.58 | doudou | it is alreazdy |
| 16:59.48 | doudou | what is xorg? xfree?? 4.2?? i have no idea how to know, and google likes so much old data |
| 17:00.10 | peteweez | xorg has superseded Xfree86 |
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| 17:00.31 | peteweez | XFree86 was forked a while back for reasons too complicated to explain right now. |
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| 17:00.40 | peteweez | It was then merged back into Xorg |
| 17:00.53 | peteweez | If it is already installed, then that's good. |
| 17:01.09 | peteweez | Now, I need you to pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:01.12 | toolz | how do i activate dir and files colours? |
| 17:01.12 | toolz | :) |
| 17:01.39 | peteweez | The open-source DRI module for X with Radeon is radeon.ko, right? |
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| 17:02.27 | xoz_ | !radeon |
| 17:02.28 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>. |
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| 17:03.10 | peteweez | xoz_: So if doudou wants DRI, he needs to modprobe radeon? |
| 17:03.59 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/d514ec66a |
| 17:04.13 | peteweez | xoz_: Sorry, I just forgot the name of the kmod since I use fglrx (open-source drivers don't work on my machine :-( ) |
| 17:04.21 | doudou | radeon 112512 0 |
| 17:04.22 | doudou | drm 74324 1 radeon |
| 17:04.25 | peteweez | doudou: thank you |
| 17:04.26 | doudou | lsmod |
| 17:04.27 | xoz_ | !dri |
| 17:04.27 | dpkg | hmm... dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 17:04.52 | peteweez | doudou: So those modules are already loaded for you? |
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| 17:05.12 | peteweez | doudou: I found your problem |
| 17:05.25 | peteweez | doudou: but first tell me that radeon is already loaded |
| 17:05.30 | doudou | lsmod indicate radeon, there is radeon in the sound card with lspci |
| 17:05.36 | PovAdct_w | does aptitude install recommended packages by default? |
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| 17:05.49 | peteweez | OK doudou: here's your problem |
| 17:05.56 | peteweez | Your driver is set to "vesa" |
| 17:06.05 | peteweez | Section "Device"     Identifier    "ATI Technologies Inc ATI Default Card"     Driver      "vesa"     BusID      "PCI:2:0:0" EndSection  |
| 17:06.13 | PovAdct_w | there is a setting to install or not recommended packages; but what is it set to out-of-the-box? |
| 17:06.16 | peteweez | vesa is the most basic driver there is |
| 17:06.41 | peteweez | It is compatible with almost all modern cards |
| 17:06.44 | MadChopr | hey so, i'm installing debian off a unetbootin' made SD card; during the install it wants to "Detect and mount CD-Rom" well, i don't have one because i'm trying to use the SD card.. how do i get around this? |
| 17:06.45 | doudou | i did not touch anything, debian install this by default |
| 17:06.53 | peteweez | but it has no support for acceleration or other card-specific things |
| 17:06.57 | peteweez | doudou: I'm not blaming you |
| 17:07.03 | peteweez | it is very likely Debian's fault |
| 17:07.12 | peteweez | Now let's fix it, shall we? :-) |
| 17:07.21 | PovAdct_w | I believe vesa doesn't even support high resolutions |
| 17:07.26 | doudou | is it a bug? is it a bug? did i discover a bug? is it alive? |
| 17:07.28 | PovAdct_w | isn't it stuck on 640x480 or something? :) |
| 17:07.37 | peteweez | doudou: No, not a bug. |
| 17:07.38 | PovAdct_w | ahh a bug! *steps on it* |
| 17:07.42 | peteweez | Just a minor configuration error |
| 17:07.46 | peteweez | sorry to disappoint you |
| 17:07.58 | peteweez | PovAdct_w: I have used vesa with 1440 x 990 |
| 17:08.04 | peteweez | until I could get fglrx working |
| 17:08.10 | peteweez | or at least 1280 |
| 17:08.17 | PovAdct_w | peteweez: then I'm wrong, I must be thinking vga or something |
| 17:08.17 | doudou | i never saw a virus, worm or something very popular, a bug could please me |
| 17:08.22 | peteweez | probly |
| 17:08.22 | berzerka | how do i show package reverse deps? i see there is apt-rdepends. is there anything that comes with the base installation? |
| 17:08.27 | peteweez | doudou: sorry |
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| 17:08.34 | PovAdct_w | berzerka: apt-cache rdepends |
| 17:08.44 | peteweez | doudou: Could you comment out the line that says Driver      "vesa"? |
| 17:08.46 | berzerka | PovAdct_w: right :) thank you very much. |
| 17:09.02 | peteweez | Just put a # in front of the line |
| 17:09.14 | peteweez | You will need root privileges to edit that file. |
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| 17:09.45 | Deepa|Away | I've literally lost my harddrive, is there anyway to list all available harddrives? |
| 17:09.56 | peteweez | Deepa|Away: cat /proc/partitions |
| 17:09.58 | mordy | fdisk? |
| 17:10.01 | mordy | mknod? |
| 17:10.01 | peteweez | And btw that is hilarious |
| 17:10.02 | peteweez | I'm sorry |
| 17:10.06 | doudou | ok i must leave to restart x |
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| 17:10.12 | peteweez | doudou: NO! |
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| 17:10.17 | peteweez | doudou: you're not finished |
| 17:10.24 | doudou | ok |
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| 17:10.27 | peteweez | if you just comment out that line you will have no X |
| 17:10.30 | Deepa|Away | Thank you |
| 17:10.31 | peteweez | You must add one more line |
| 17:10.38 | peteweez | Deepa|Away: which one worked? |
| 17:10.47 | peteweez | doudou: Driver      "radeon" |
| 17:10.48 | peteweez | add that |
| 17:10.54 | peteweez | doudou: then, don't leave yet |
| 17:10.57 | doudou | i did not comment it, i suppressed it |
| 17:11.06 | peteweez | you mean you erased it? |
| 17:11.24 | doudou | i backup the file first |
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| 17:11.34 | toolz | does anyone know how do I do to activate the colours on shell? to see dirs blue and others colored? |
| 17:11.35 | Deepa|Away | None of them contains the files that are on one of the connected harddrives |
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| 17:11.41 | peteweez | doudou: if it should fail, erase the line with Driver "radeon" and put Driver "vesa" back in. |
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| 17:11.44 | peteweez | Makes sense? |
| 17:11.44 | doudou | that done |
| 17:11.51 | peteweez | Good luck |
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| 17:11.58 | peteweez | Tell me if it works |
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| 17:12.16 | doudou | yes no problem, this story happened already when i changed the monitor |
| 17:12.23 | doudou | i restart x |
| 17:12.24 | peteweez | OK good |
| 17:12.27 | peteweez | good luck |
| 17:12.40 | johndoe | how can i disable annoying aptitude messages "the following packages have been kept back:" ? |
| 17:12.44 | peteweez | really hopes he didn't just foobar doudou's X |
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| 17:13.22 | abrotman | johndoe: upgrade those packages |
| 17:13.38 | johndoe | abrotman: no |
| 17:13.39 | Deepa|Away | Is there any way to check the last mounts? |
| 17:14.00 | johndoe | abrotman: i dont feel like updating my kernel, when i already have the newest possible one |
| 17:14.07 | johndoe | abrotman: manually installed |
| 17:14.08 | MadChopr | are their instructions on installing debian net install from an sd card somewhere? (getting around the lack of cdrom detection, i don't have a cdrom) |
| 17:14.29 | peteweez | Deepa|away: maybe dmesg|grep -i /dev/sd |
| 17:14.31 | peteweez | or /dev/hd |
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| 17:14.44 | Deepa|Away | Computer has been rebooted |
| 17:14.45 | PovAdct_w | johndoe: if you manually installed a kernel (maybe by self-compiling), why don't you *uninstall* the apt package for the kernel? |
| 17:14.45 | doudou | did not work, said no screen found |
| 17:14.45 | peteweez | I mean |
| 17:14.50 | PovAdct_w | (I don't really know if that's a good idea at all) |
| 17:15.03 | abrotman | johndoe: but you don't, it's a security email |
| 17:15.07 | abrotman | erm .. security update |
| 17:15.08 | peteweez | doudou: OK I'm sorry. I assume you are in X now? |
| 17:15.09 | johndoe | PovAdct_w: well if my 'new' kernel fails? |
| 17:15.15 | abrotman | !tell johndoe about dsa |
| 17:16.03 | johndoe | abrotman: whats that supposed to mean? |
| 17:16.04 | PovAdct_w | johndoe: if the new kernel fails, you'd run the apt-provided one? why don't you want to upgrade the latter? :D |
| 17:16.06 | doudou | this happened before, i put old one, and came back, dont be sorry such strange story happened one time before something changed with 02:00 to 03:00 |
| 17:16.17 | peteweez | doudou: Take /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old and pastebin it. Then give it to somebody who knows something about X. Which means somebody other than me. :-) |
| 17:16.29 | paxcoder | hey. i have a problem with my keyboard. some of the keys are remapped in Gnome (but work in X's login screen). the layout is set correctly, and was once resetted. no explanation there. anyone have an idea? |
| 17:16.29 | johndoe | PovAdct_w: i compiled a vanilla kernel yesterday |
| 17:16.30 | abrotman | johndoe: what package is it complaining about .. uname -a |
| 17:16.44 | peteweez | doudou: so you're using vesa now? |
| 17:16.47 | abrotman | johndoe: then uninstall all the debian kernels, and it won't ask you to upgrade the debian kernel anymore |
| 17:17.00 | johndoe | ..... |
| 17:17.31 | PovAdct_w | or live with the messages |
| 17:17.32 | doudou | yes back, i su root, and edit the etc/X11/ back |
| 17:17.36 | peteweez | doudou: good |
| 17:17.42 | PovAdct_w | or upgrade it |
| 17:17.48 | peteweez | doudou: Pastebin that log and find someone who knows more than me. |
| 17:17.50 | peteweez | Good luck |
| 17:17.52 | paxcoder | abrotman: if you want to retain a version (ie not let it update) of several programs, do you have to tell it to the upgrade program each time, or can you just blacklist them somehow? |
| 17:18.01 | johndoe | PovAdct_w: thanks for your 'help' |
| 17:18.14 | PovAdct_w | johndoe: what else do you want :P |
| 17:18.15 | abrotman | i already said that! |
| 17:18.27 | abrotman | why do i get dots .. and he gets a thanks |
| 17:18.28 | PovAdct_w | abrotman: he's being sarcastic, see his quotes... |
| 17:18.37 | doudou | is there a way to copy in the buffer, i take it from xterm by hand, could i send it directly? |
| 17:18.38 | abrotman | i gave him the exact answer |
| 17:18.51 | peteweez | I have to go get lunch now... |
| 17:18.54 | johndoe | no you didnt, i asked how to disable that message |
| 17:18.54 | abrotman | either uninstall the debian kernels everywhere, or just install the darn thing |
| 17:19.03 | johndoe | not to uninstall my kernel or update |
| 17:19.04 | abrotman | johndoe: you cannot .. uninstall the package it's trying to upgrade |
| 17:19.26 | johndoe | ill just slash the cache, hopefully it stops complaining |
| 17:19.27 | PovAdct_w | johndoe: there is a way to lock a package to a cetain version so it doesn't get updated (for example apt-get upgrade won't touch that one package), but it will *still give a message* |
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| 17:21.03 | johndoe | i found a fix.. just switch to apt-get |
| 17:21.11 | mordy | lol |
| 17:21.11 | johndoe | aptitude is overrated anyway... |
| 17:21.18 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/d1bb599fc |
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| 17:24.49 | mordy | i'm not an expert, but something tells me the module for your card isn't properly loaded according to line 124 |
| 17:24.59 | mordy | so i don't the problem is with X |
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| 17:25.55 | Eulex | mordy, X will run anyway, but without hardware accel. |
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| 17:26.05 | mordy | with vesa? |
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| 17:26.08 | Eulex | doudou, what graphics card have you got? |
| 17:26.26 | Eulex | mordy, no, with the ati or radeon driver too |
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| 17:26.57 | mordy | he said mobility 3450 earlier |
| 17:27.12 | doudou | Mobility RV620 02:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD 34xx Series] |
| 17:27.27 | Eulex | doudou, that driver is definitely too old to support that card. |
| 17:27.42 | doudou | it is not in the list, i should simply wait that xorg put it in the list |
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| 17:28.20 | Eulex | doudou, what version of xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
| 17:28.34 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/d1bb599fc |
| 17:28.45 | mordy | i know it's evil, but why not just get fglrx? |
| 17:28.46 | mordy | lol |
| 17:28.48 | doudou | X Window System Version 7.1.1 |
| 17:29.00 | doudou | how i know? |
| 17:29.15 | Eulex | ah, right, it says 6.6.3 |
| 17:29.25 | doudou | can you tell if card is too old or too young? probably too old? |
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| 17:29.34 | Eulex | doudou, NEW |
| 17:29.35 | DaiKano | yo |
| 17:29.39 | mordy | well, google it and see when it came out |
| 17:29.45 | doudou | so i can wait? |
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| 17:30.00 | Eulex | doudou, I don't believe you will be able to get 3d acceleration with the radeon driver. if you want that, use fglrx. |
| 17:30.01 | mordy | or try and install fglrx - maybe that will work |
| 17:30.03 | mordy | but it's evil |
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| 17:30.27 | doudou | 2D is good, i want only xine working faster |
| 17:30.28 | Eulex | doudou, you may be able to get 2d to work if you get a newer radeon driver, or radeonhd |
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| 17:31.36 | doudou | what is strange is that lsmod indicate a radeon module |
| 17:31.53 | doudou | well i will see tommorrow |
| 17:32.16 | Eulex | doudou, not strange |
| 17:32.55 | mordy | almost all ATIs are radeons |
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| 17:32.59 | mordy | except maybe the high end ones |
| 17:33.09 | mordy | errr i think |
| 17:33.34 | mordy | can anyone help me with my grub? |
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| 17:34.05 | doudou | how i install fglrx |
| 17:34.15 | mordy | you need to add non-free to your sources first |
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| 17:34.37 | Eulex | mordy, I believe all remotely new ones are named radeon. but the name is irrelevant anyways, it's the chipset that matters. |
| 17:34.59 | doudou | no it is proprietary |
| 17:35.01 | mordy | meh, it's ok - i'm using intel embedded anyway :| |
| 17:35.11 | mordy | fglrx is proprietary i think |
| 17:35.19 | mordy | i know it's not supported here |
| 17:35.28 | toolz | does anyone know how do I do to activate the colours on shell? to see dirs blue and others colored? |
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| 17:35.42 | mordy | .bashrc |
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| 17:36.10 | mordy | should be a commented-out entry there |
| 17:36.19 | mordy | and something that you should comment out instead |
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| 17:36.27 | mordy | @ toolz |
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| 17:37.48 | berzerka | toolz: you can define an alias for ls. my .bashrc (the debian default from /etc/skel) reads "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" at some place. look that up and uncomment. |
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| 17:39.09 | mordy | can someone help me with this? (grub)http://rafb.net/p/enVNcc35.html |
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| 17:39.35 | soppman | hi all |
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| 17:39.43 | mistermocha | oy... has anyone had success setting up proftpd for a single user to access a drive that is not his own home dir? |
| 17:39.58 | soppman | i would like to get unrar for ARM (not unrar-free), is this possible? can i fetch unrar source somewhere and build? |
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| 17:43.50 | mhymn_ | soppman: http://packages.debian.org/etch/unrar ? |
| 17:44.21 | Trewas | soppman: it's closed source, so it's available only on architectures the company behind it officially releases it for (i386 and amd64) |
| 17:44.21 | neoice | is there a way I can stop gdm from restarting itself after I ctrl-alt-del kill it? |
| 17:45.57 | soppman | duh, my system is armel, not arm |
| 17:46.03 | soppman | dpkg tells me |
| 17:46.58 | Trewas | soppman: erm, I was checking rar, unrar seems to available also for others |
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| 17:47.46 | stew | unrar costs money, too |
| 17:48.24 | SPF | neoice: remove the symlink in /etc/rc?.d/??gdm |
| 17:48.40 | neoice | SPF: wont that prevent it from autostarting? |
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| 17:48.45 | soppman | found it for armel there |
| 17:48.47 | soppman | thanks alot! |
| 17:48.58 | SPF | neoice: yes, that is your problem I assume? |
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| 17:49.31 | neoice | SPF: no, I want it to behave similarly to slim. it autostarts, but if I choose to ctrl-alt-del, X dies and stays dead. |
| 17:49.43 | stew | neoice: yes, it would. if you just want to stop it for now, use "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" instead of ctrl-alt-bksp |
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| 17:50.09 | neoice | stew: using that command assumes that X is responsive. |
| 17:50.20 | stew | neoice: no, it doesn't |
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| 17:51.19 | Trewas | stew: actually unrar's copyright file indicates that it can be used "without limitations free of charge", but otherwise is non-free in debian sense |
| 17:52.01 | stew | Trewas: oh, i was thinking of the rar license, thanks for the correction |
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| 17:52.27 | \amethyst | Duffy: if [ "$(wget -O- http://something:port/something/)" = OK ] |
| 17:52.29 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 17:52.38 | mordy | well, fixed grub |
| 17:52.46 | \amethyst | Duffy: sorry, wrong channel, wrong nick-complete |
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| 17:54.28 | mordy | ok, i need some more tips - what am i missing here? i've installed grub and initramfs-tools - do i need something else? http://rafb.net/p/5sgHYl63.html |
| 17:54.39 | mordy | this message is making me think i didn't do somethihng right |
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| 17:55.09 | sarrafo | I am having trouble applying patch layer7 in kernel 2.6.25, he returns this error |
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| 17:55.39 | sarrafo | Servlab02:/usr/src/linux# patch -p1 < ../netfilter-layer7-v2.20/kernel-2.6.25-layer7-2.20.patch |
| 17:55.50 | woden | "Application --> Accessories --> Root Terminal" then enter my root password, and get this error: http://paste.debian.net/23816/ |
| 17:55.57 | woden | What's the problem and how do I fix that? |
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| 17:56.05 | sarrafo | can't find file to patch at input line 3 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? The text leading up to this was: |
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| 17:56.40 | sarrafo | |--- linux-2.6.25/net/netfilter/Kconfig2008-04-16 21:49:44.000000000 -0500 |+++ linux-2.6.25-layer7/net/netfilter/Kconfig2008-04-29 00:40:01.000000000 -0500 |
| 17:56.42 | neoice | stew: I have a system where the login manager refuses to die or start a session. how am I supposed to issue commands to this system? |
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| 17:57.08 | \amethyst | neoice: ssh in? ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console? |
| 17:57.11 | stew | neoice: hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to tty1 for example |
| 17:57.23 | stew | neoice: or ssh into the box |
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| 18:02.25 | neoice | again, you assume I have ssh installed. |
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| 18:02.32 | neoice | or another machine from which to ssh. |
| 18:02.39 | mohadib | where can i find the location of the default wallpapers for gnome? |
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| 18:06.13 | stew | neoice: again? |
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| 18:09.01 | grendal_prime | hey i have a crapload of rdp shortcuts from a windows box (administration crap basically) im wondering is there a way to import them to like rdesktop format? |
| 18:09.13 | grendal_prime | or is that some what i can use them as they are with rdesktop? |
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| 18:15.14 | hellues | are there a way to fix corruption of dpkg without dpkg --cpnfigure -a |
| 18:16.05 | stew | hellues: what makes you think there is corruption? |
| 18:16.22 | hellues | hmm |
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| 18:16.33 | hellues | when i do aptitude install somethingg |
| 18:16.40 | hoxu | !basic apt-get troubleshooting |
| 18:16.40 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also provide us with your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 18:16.40 | hellues | it said dpkg was corrupted |
| 18:16.46 | abrotman | grendal_prime: write a script to do it .. shouldn't be that hard .. the .rdp format is pretty simple |
| 18:16.47 | stew | hellues: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:16.48 | hoxu | hellues, don't describe, paste the error |
| 18:16.57 | hellues | you do manually dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:16.59 | hellues | it says |
| 18:17.05 | hellues | ı |
| 18:17.08 | hellues | oke |
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| 18:17.26 | stew | hellues: did you try running "dpkg --configure -a" ? |
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| 18:18.29 | AusLok | Is there any way to print multiple emails continuously |
| 18:18.32 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/23818/ |
| 18:18.35 | AusLok | instead of one per page |
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| 18:18.53 | hoxu | AusLok, print with what? |
| 18:19.25 | hellues | jry |
| 18:19.33 | hellues | error is in http://paste.debian.net/23818/ |
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| 18:23.18 | brakk | about the startup scripts in rc1.d-rc5.d: if your default run level is 5, does it run the scripts in rc1-4 then 5, or just skip straight to 5? |
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| 18:23.55 | AusLok | hoxu: anything. I want to print about 200 short emails on maybe 20 pages instead of having 1 page for each |
| 18:23.59 | AusLok | no MUA can do this so far |
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| 18:24.30 | hoxu | AusLok, cat, grep, pipe to lpr? |
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| 18:24.58 | woden | "Application --> Accessories --> Root Terminal" then enter my root password, and get this error: http://paste.debian.net/23816/ |
| 18:25.04 | woden | What's the problem and how do I fix that? |
| 18:25.34 | mhymn_ | try #gnome |
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| 18:26.38 | mordy | well, i'm giving up on making a perfectly bootable system via debootstrap |
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| 18:26.56 | mhymn_ | brakk: the latter one |
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| 18:27.12 | AusLok | hoxu: that prints all the quoted text, MIME data, unneeded headers etc |
| 18:29.33 | hoxu | AusLok, grep out what you don't want, I don't have better ideas in mind right now, and it seems your needs are quite specific |
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| 18:31.17 | noctua1 | I get no led-illumination after suspend with a Thinkpad X200 under testing. Any ideas how to solve that? I use the vesa-drivers for X, 'cause with Intel it doesn't work at all |
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| 18:35.39 | AusLok | grep wont work, so there is no way to do this except with ms office .8 |
| 18:35.53 | AusLok | :( |
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| 18:36.52 | plb_ | stew: here is the script in action http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=latestny2.jpg |
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| 18:47.49 | noctua1 | Does anyone know how I could find out the acutal problem for the now-working led-backlight after suspend? Any logfiles where I can find what goes wrong? |
| 18:50.20 | mistermocha | can I flag a directory so that all the subsequent files assume the directory's owner, group, or permissions, regardless of who writes to the directory? |
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| 18:51.09 | stew | mistermocha: you can do that with the group by setting the group sticky bit. the others would require extended acls |
| 18:51.26 | grendal_prime | abrotman: ya, i was just hoping there was one already hehehe. |
| 18:51.30 | stew | 'directory's owner' might be impossible |
| 18:51.33 | mistermocha | stew: group sticky bit... sounds so familiar |
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| 18:52.54 | mistermocha | I've got a directory on a server where the ownership of files will change, depending on which application creates or updates the files (e.g.: one user is ftp access, another is using svn to checkout) |
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| 18:53.09 | yareckon | mistermocha, then you've got a mess |
| 18:53.19 | mistermocha | yareckon: ya reckon? |
| 18:53.25 | mistermocha | :) |
| 18:53.50 | yareckon | approaches to deal with this include having a script that you run on cron that sets the ownership back to some happy medium |
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| 18:54.13 | yareckon | or, learning the way to set masks for these programs to respect permissions |
| 18:54.25 | stew | mistermocha: set the gruop sticky bit, and have the ftp server and svn users run with umask 002 |
| 18:54.42 | yareckon | that would be #2 |
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| 18:55.15 | Kurin | Is it possible to create a .deb package such that you can pass dpkg arguments so that software is installed differently depending on the arguments? |
| 18:55.37 | Kurin | I want to be able to install a testing version of a piece of software without interferring with the production version |
| 18:55.41 | asg | Kurin: no but you can ask for such things with debconf or during postinst |
| 18:56.00 | Kurin | Well by the time postinst is called the binaries are already in place |
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| 18:57.14 | asg | Kurin: maybe with dpkg-divert but I'm not sure that will work |
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| 19:00.35 | noctua1 | Have I made any mistakes? Or does just nobody now how to possibly fix my problem? Also read bugreports but didn't find anything really helpful. |
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| 19:07.21 | AusLok | does anyone wanna make $30 or so taking a few minutes to fix my program |
| 19:07.25 | AusLok | I need it urgently |
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| 19:11.53 | Eulex | "-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 65656 17 apr 2008 /usr/bin/mtr" is setuid root, right? |
| 19:12.11 | asg | yes |
| 19:12.15 | jelly-home | Eulex: correct |
| 19:12.33 | Eulex | that makes me scared, as the program is a gtk2 one |
| 19:12.45 | hoxu | Eulex, incorrect, that's ncurses |
| 19:12.46 | jelly-home | dpkg -S /usr/bin/mtr? |
| 19:12.46 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/bin/mtr! |
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| 19:13.00 | Eulex | hoxu, it can run either with a gtk2 or an ncurses interface |
| 19:13.15 | Eulex | at least on lenny, it attempts to run the gtk2 interface if possible |
| 19:13.22 | hoxu | Eulex, that's part of the "mtr-tiny" package, which depends only on ncurses... |
| 19:13.44 | Eulex | I have mtr, not mtr-tiny |
| 19:13.50 | hoxu | hmm |
| 19:14.22 | stew | Eulex: it needs root to send raw packets |
| 19:14.38 | asg | prefers cooked packets |
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| 19:15.09 | Eulex | stew, that's logical. just hope it doesn't run the full gtk2 interface as root then... |
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| 19:15.36 | stew | Eulex: no idea. i'd guess it probably does |
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| 19:16.13 | Eulex | stew, that's bad |
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| 19:17.09 | stew | Eulex: then install mtr-timy |
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| 19:17.58 | MariachiAC | hello. Is there a way of installing Debian thorugh ssh? |
| 19:18.17 | hoxu | !debootstrap |
| 19:18.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for ... |
| 19:18.53 | patrikf | MariachiAC: you can also start an installation off CD (just doing basic things like network setup) and then continue with SSH |
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| 19:19.13 | Eulex | stew, I will do that, though I may take a look at the mtr code later. as it's a gtk application, if there is any vulnerability in all of gtk and all other libraries it's using.... well, you're screwed. |
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| 19:19.22 | MariachiAC | Well. I need to install it here on a laptop, but I am blind. |
| 19:19.30 | stew | there is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole but it is out of date |
| 19:20.10 | stew | Eulex: i'm saying get rid of the gtk one and replace it with the non-gtk one |
| 19:20.26 | amphi | MariachiAC: I believe the installer has support for at least some braille devices, if that's any good to you |
| 19:20.37 | Eulex | stew, yes, I'm doing that. |
| 19:20.54 | MariachiAC | I have a current install on a desktop computer. so I can plug my laptop into a router and do an install through ssh if I'm able to do that with Debian. |
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| 19:22.21 | MariachiAC | amphi: That would be good to me, but I don't have my braille device with me. |
| 19:22.34 | woden | I get this error when I open "Application --> Accessories --> Root Terminal" and enter my root password: http://paste.debian.net/23816/ Anyone know what that means and how to fix? |
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| 19:23.30 | stew | MariachiAC: could you attach the laptop to the desktop via a serial cable, in order to do the install over a serial console? |
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| 19:24.59 | chiak | woden: did you tried #gnome ? |
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| 19:25.26 | asg | woden: from the error, you need to have gksu-run-helper running. |
| 19:25.33 | MariachiAC | stew: I am not sure... how would i use a cable to do the install with speech? that definitly sounds interesting. |
| 19:25.43 | MariachiAC | stew: I've never heard of that. |
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| 19:27.29 | tarik | hi |
| 19:27.37 | Pixel | |
| 19:27.37 | Pixel | How apache2 change in the root directory? |
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| 19:28.42 | stew | MariachiAC: i was going under the assumption that you had tools on your desktop machine that would allow you to do text to speach in a terminal window that was watching the serial console of the laptop |
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| 19:29.32 | MariachiAC | stew: Oh yes... I do have tools for text ot speech that do work with the console. However, what are the requirements so I can get this working. |
| 19:30.10 | stoned | Pixel, what? |
| 19:30.15 | stoned | come again |
| 19:31.15 | woden | asg: Isn't gksu-run-helper part of libgksu? I have libgksu and gksu installed...I did a ps aux|grep gksu-run-helper nothing shows up. How do I get it running? |
| 19:31.55 | Pixel | |
| 19:31.56 | Pixel | As in apache2 change the directory that was not / var/www/apache2-default / just / var / www / |
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| 19:32.38 | asg | woden: not sure since I'm not a gnome user. Perhaps someone else in here knows. |
| 19:33.04 | stew | MariachiAC: i believe that if you boot the laptop to an install cd and type "linux console=ttyS0,9600" at the boot: prompt (which is the first thing that the installer does), you'd get a 9600 baud N81 serial console on COM1 |
| 19:33.07 | bfallik | where is a good channel to ask questions about debian packaging? |
| 19:33.20 | mordy | how do i get grub to load the kernel from a path relative to itself as opposed to, say, BIOS? |
| 19:33.26 | stew | Pixel: edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/whatever |
| 19:34.14 | mordy | hmm... did my question make sense? |
| 19:34.16 | mordy | lol |
| 19:34.19 | simNIX | nope |
| 19:35.11 | enouf | mordy: chainload it? .. or see the 'install' command in the manual, iirc |
| 19:35.20 | Pixel | |
| 19:35.20 | Pixel | stew: And what change there, I do not understand. |
| 19:35.25 | mordy | i'm trying to get a working debian system via debootstrap. i basically have an external HDD and i installed debian on it, now i'm trying to see what else i can do to make it boot |
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| 19:36.18 | simNIX | is there already a Linux / grub on the fixed hd of that box ? |
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| 19:37.04 | enouf | mordy: the external drive is in a usb enclosure? |
| 19:37.07 | stew | Pixel: get rid of the RedirectMatch directive |
| 19:37.13 | mordy | d'oh yes... but the thing is that i want to be able to test the HDD by hooking it up to an external controller as opposed to taking it and out of the computer each time |
| 19:37.14 | enouf | mordy: and you BIOS can't boot usb? .. or |
| 19:37.21 | mordy | my bios can boot a usb |
| 19:37.27 | MariachiAC | stew: ok... I'll see what I can find for the requirements of that. Thank you. |
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| 19:38.04 | enouf | mordy: is that what you wanted? or ... |
| 19:38.38 | Pixel | stew: |
| 19:38.38 | Pixel | How? |
| 19:38.39 | mordy | well, the "d'oh" was because the target computer will only have one hdd -- |
| 19:38.50 | mordy | so really this matter is more trivial than i though |
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| 19:39.03 | stew | Pixel: run "editor /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default" |
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| 19:39.21 | stew | Pixel: then run "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload" |
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| 19:39.35 | mordy | but on the target computer i get "GRUB" and then it hangs |
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| 19:39.54 | simNIX | just copy newly installed debians kernet and intrd to main hd's Linux /boot - edit a entry for it in /boot/grub/menu.lst and I recemend point root of that entry to /dev/disk/by-id/(insert your devieid) |
| 19:40.11 | simNIX | kernet=kernel |
| 19:40.12 | MariachiAC | stew: one more question... my laptop only has usb, but my desktop has serial connections. So would it still work? |
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| 19:40.22 | enouf | mordy: try and explain again for me .. i appear lost now :-) |
| 19:40.46 | mordy | lol, one sec. let me try this |
| 19:40.59 | Pixel | stew: |
| 19:41.00 | Pixel | There is nothing to write to the / etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default? |
| 19:41.24 | stew | Pixel: I don't understand your question |
| 19:41.39 | stew | MariachiAC: I believe you'd need a usb -> serial dongle |
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| 19:41.51 | mordy | enouf: in simple terms, grub hangs |
| 19:41.55 | Pixel | stew, wrote editor / etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default |
| 19:41.55 | Pixel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.01 | mordy | without any error code |
| 19:42.32 | seto | hi, I just install a debian etch on my laptop, but I need a 2.6.27 kernel to get ethernet, where can I found a deb package for this kernel ? |
| 19:42.55 | enouf | MariachiAC: also note, should you buy/have try to use a usb<->usb connection (perhaps at some other time, not necessarily for install), you'll likely require that the "usbnet" module gets loaded - see linux-usb.org perhaps |
| 19:43.00 | stew | MariachiAC: doing the same with an ssh server IS possible, but requires you to build a custom version of the installer which uses preseeding, but I don't know of very explicit documentation about how to do that. there is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole but it is outdated |
| 19:43.31 | enouf | mordy: in simple terms; /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 19:43.33 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:43.42 | stew | Pixel: "editor /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default" is a command that would edit the file you need to edit. when you edit that file, you need to remove the RedirectMatch directive |
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| 19:44.16 | enouf | seto: Unless i'm mistaken, you |
| 19:44.22 | enouf | seto: Unless i'm mistaken, you'll have to build your own |
| 19:44.46 | seto | hmm, dammn, I will try with sidux kernel package |
| 19:44.52 | MariachiAC | enouf, stew: ok I'll checkk it out... Thanks. |
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| 19:45.14 | enouf | and, iirc, you'll want the linux-kbuild-2.6 if you need the headers |
| 19:46.39 | simNIX | stew; to let a debian installer use preseeding I just add to kernel load line "auto url=http://192.10.20.1/Debian_Lenny-testing.cfg" |
| 19:47.18 | enouf | (darnnit, i forgot to mention that usb<->usb needs to be a specially bought cable) |
| 19:47.28 | mordy | gah... i need to RTFM more often |
| 19:47.48 | mordy | installation guide apparently has a step-by-step debootstrap guide |
| 19:47.56 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:48.35 | stoned | mordy, chat |
| 19:48.45 | stew | simNIX: is that address routable? it doesn't appear to be. i know about preseeding. i'm speaking specifically about using preseeding to intall debian over ssh using a network console |
| 19:49.15 | simNIX | aha |
| 19:49.36 | simNIX | I know the nslu2 debian installer has that |
| 19:50.30 | simNIX | maybe theres info to find how to mod one - ill lookup the url of that firmware |
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| 19:52.19 | woden | Why is a user able to run "System --> Administration --> Lockdown Editor"? |
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| 19:55.36 | mordy | well, the manual isn't exaclty as explanatory as i hoped |
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| 19:59.08 | simNIX | stew, does this help you ? -> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 19:59.15 | enouf | stew and simNIX just a fwiw? http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apbs02.html.en (B.2.1) |
| 19:59.17 | enouf | ? |
| 19:59.28 | stew | simNIX: that is the link i already posted, which is quite out of date, and he's gone anyway |
| 20:00.08 | simNIX | my bad |
| 20:00.19 | simNIX | ill look enouf |
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| 20:00.34 | simNIX | sshing in to do a install is usefull here |
| 20:00.38 | simNIX | ty |
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| 20:02.09 | simNIX | good documentation but pxe preseeding here already setup |
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| 20:02.27 | simNIX | obly wondering how I can so remote ssh in to install |
| 20:02.30 | simNIX | only |
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| 20:02.54 | simNIX | for when I install for someone over the internet |
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| 20:03.47 | simNIX | with preseeding no need for ssh login ... |
| 20:03.56 | enouf | hrm, it would appear that /dev/ttyUSB0 can be used in place or /dev/ttyS{0,1} for serial console connection .. i just haven't tried it |
| 20:04.11 | stew | enouf: you'd need a usb->serial dongle though |
| 20:04.21 | enouf | stew: righto ... |
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| 20:05.51 | mikedub | how can i get a simple list of the ethernet interfaces installed? |
| 20:05.56 | stoned | dongle |
| 20:06.00 | stoned | thats a funny word |
| 20:06.54 | clif4d | mikedub: ifconfig -a ? |
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| 20:07.24 | mikedub | yeah, but I'm just looking for a simple 1-liner |
| 20:07.39 | mikedub | maybe i'll just grep ifconfig's output |
| 20:07.57 | stoned | mikedub, you can cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:08.02 | stoned | I'm sure you can check somewher ein /proc |
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| 20:08.27 | enouf | mikedub: ls /sys/class/net ? |
| 20:08.27 | stew | mikedub: cat /proc/net/dev |
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| 20:08.56 | stoned | thast the one |
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| 20:09.15 | stoned | !stew++ |
| 20:10.03 | mikedub | thanks |
| 20:11.02 | Flibberdy | hi all, i'm having an issue where a normal user can't start X, but root can. I can't see anything in the log to let me know what's going on. anyone have any advice? |
| 20:11.15 | Flibberdy | this is on lenny by the way |
| 20:11.33 | stew | Flibberdy: try "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" |
| 20:11.35 | enouf | what is the error? |
| 20:11.48 | stoned | enouf, its a common issue |
| 20:11.58 | stoned | enouf, .Xauthority problem |
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| 20:12.08 | enouf | it's old, if stew is correct |
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| 20:12.25 | enouf | or .. something new emerged recently |
| 20:12.39 | enouf | !xauth |
| 20:12.39 | dpkg | i heard xauth is the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program is in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch) or in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>. |
| 20:13.32 | Flibberdy | stew: I did that, same issue, gonna followup on xauth |
| 20:13.48 | stew | Flibberdy: are you trying to start X in an ssh session or something? |
| 20:14.24 | ktwilight | is there an app that allows me to test stability of the system on ram+swap usage? like stress. |
| 20:14.46 | Flibberdy | stew: no, locally |
| 20:14.47 | enouf | ktwilight: cpuburn, and compiling kernels :-) |
| 20:15.05 | Flibberdy | it's not xauth. just saw the ssh bit. *sigh* |
| 20:15.09 | Eulex | ktwilight, such a program, but which is not stress? |
| 20:15.24 | mhymn_ | running firefox with multiple tabs open ? |
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| 20:15.30 | ktwilight | Eulex, stress is an app. |
| 20:15.32 | enouf | ktwilight: also, check lbs.sourceforge.net for possible other benchmarking utils |
| 20:15.56 | Eulex | ktwilight, yes? |
| 20:16.05 | ktwilight | ... |
| 20:16.06 | enouf | mhymn_: heh, fire up Java, OO.o, and Firefox :-P |
| 20:16.08 | ktwilight | nm. |
| 20:16.16 | ktwilight | enouf, hm, so i guess that's the only list? |
| 20:16.16 | mhymn_ | :P |
| 20:16.33 | stew | Flibberdy: what does "grep allowed /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config" return? |
| 20:16.38 | enouf | ktwilight: i seem to recall something else, but it eludes me atm |
| 20:17.17 | Flibberdy | stew, allowed_users=console |
| 20:17.22 | ktwilight | enouf, hm, i know another project called LTP (Linux Test Project), but nothing that i can really use. anywayz, will check out lbs |
| 20:17.28 | ktwilight | thanks |
| 20:17.45 | enouf | ktwilight: heh., crashme - Stress tests operating system stability |
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| 20:17.49 | JyZyXEL | in US is Sunday the first day of the week? |
| 20:17.53 | stew | Flibberdy: what exactlly is the problem? are you getting an error? what? |
| 20:17.56 | codeshepherd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.09 | enouf | ktwilight: you run memtest86+ on the RAM, and compile kernels - /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 20:18.16 | ktwilight | enouf, hm, don't want that. i want it specifically for ram+swap and cpu |
| 20:18.19 | Flibberdy | stew, i don't see anthing error-like.. except an error about the security policy file not being found. |
| 20:18.34 | Flibberdy | stew: shall i post my xorg log? |
| 20:18.55 | ktwilight | just to test the virtual machines, nothing more nothing less really... |
| 20:18.59 | enouf | ktwilight: ram+swap == load up many many apps and start swapping - use swap for suspend/hibernate? |
| 20:19.42 | ktwilight | enouf, question is, how do i load up that many apps. stress allows me to do that, but it doesn't use swap |
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| 20:20.18 | Flibberdy | http://pastebin.com/f9d5f6e7 is my Xorg.0.log |
| 20:20.25 | mordy | do i need to mount /tmp somehow? i'm just wondering why it's not created by default |
| 20:20.27 | enouf | ktwilight: start opening (to edit) large images with an appropriate app, and encode video ;-) |
| 20:20.50 | mordy | i can mkdir /tmp but i just want to know why it's not there to begin with |
| 20:21.07 | ktwilight | enouf, worst idea ever :P |
| 20:21.13 | enouf | mordy: well, the perms should be 1777 |
| 20:21.30 | mordy | chmod 1777? |
| 20:21.38 | stoned | hm |
| 20:21.38 | enouf | Flibberdy: is selinux enabled? |
| 20:21.40 | stoned | Flibberdy, hi |
| 20:21.49 | ktwilight | maybe cachebench will do :) |
| 20:22.38 | stoned | whats going on? |
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| 20:22.38 | enouf | mordy: yeah .. owner/group is root:root |
| 20:22.45 | Flibberdy | enouf: nope unless i've done something horribly wrong |
| 20:23.00 | Flibberdy | hi stoned |
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| 20:24.14 | stoned | hi your problem is common |
| 20:24.25 | stoned | you are unable to load your security policy file becuase it is not being found |
| 20:24.31 | mordy | ok let's see if this thing works finally |
| 20:24.37 | stoned | there comes an example file |
| 20:24.46 | stoned | you could copy it over |
| 20:24.52 | Flibberdy | stoned: where is it? |
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| 20:26.01 | stoned | first of all |
| 20:26.10 | stoned | the first thin you should have done is to make sure the file exists |
| 20:26.11 | mordy | how do i check which processes are using a file foo? |
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| 20:26.22 | stoned | this file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 20:26.34 | Flibberdy | stoned: it doesn't, xserver is completely empty |
| 20:26.40 | stoned | I am aware of that. |
| 20:26.44 | stoned | give me moment |
| 20:26.58 | stoned | I'll try to find an exmample file Im sure one comes in a package somewhere doesn't it |
| 20:27.29 | mordy | i've got one here |
| 20:27.30 | mordy | lol |
| 20:27.38 | stoned | xserver-common: etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 20:28.01 | Flibberdy | so if i reinstall xserver-common it should be created? |
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| 20:28.08 | stoned | perhaps you need to apt-get install --reinstall xserver-common <-- I think so |
| 20:28.09 | stoned | !confmiss |
| 20:28.09 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 20:28.25 | stoned | xserver-common is replaced by x11-common, which doesn't include the |
| 20:28.26 | stoned | SecurityPolicy file. |
| 20:28.30 | Flibberdy | thank you |
| 20:28.32 | riot | anybody running an Eicon Diva PCMCIA-Card under linux? Or an AVM M2? |
| 20:28.35 | stoned | Flibberdy, which debian release are you using? |
| 20:28.40 | Flibberdy | stoned: Lenny |
| 20:28.58 | enouf | riot: install pcmciautils? |
| 20:29.01 | stoned | Flibberdy, did you do an upgrade? |
| 20:29.06 | Flibberdy | stoned: I did |
| 20:29.14 | stoned | thats the culprit |
| 20:29.25 | stoned | dpkg -s xserver-xorg-core | grep Version |
| 20:29.25 | dpkg | Package: xserver-xorg-core | grep Version: Status: install ok installed |
| 20:29.30 | stoned | dpkg, shut the fuck up. |
| 20:29.30 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 20:29.40 | stoned | check for this |
| 20:29.58 | riot | enouf: that ain't the problem. ISDN probably is, so i want to make sure i have some proof those darned beasts work with linux. |
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| 20:30.14 | Flibberdy | stoned: 2:1.4.2-9 |
| 20:30.49 | enouf | stoned: you are cursing at a bot? a very helpful bot? yikes |
| 20:31.04 | stoned | enouf, Flibberdy's problem is a bit elusive |
| 20:31.10 | enouf | riot: i don't know much about all that ... |
| 20:31.12 | stoned | its irritating and I'm getting frustrated. |
| 20:31.23 | stoned | BREATH! |
| 20:31.26 | Flibberdy | stoned: shall i use confmiss? |
| 20:31.26 | enouf | stoned: we can tell ;-) |
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| 20:31.29 | stoned | inhale, exhale. |
| 20:31.43 | stoned | Flibberdy, remove all the X using --purge |
| 20:31.43 | enouf | !kumbaya |
| 20:31.48 | stoned | Flibberdy, then aptitude install xorg |
| 20:31.57 | stoned | Flibberdy, quck and clean |
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| 20:32.02 | stoned | I'm not gonna sit here and diagnose the problem |
| 20:32.06 | stoned | just fix it. |
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| 20:32.10 | enouf | (how the heck is that spelled correctly anyway .. sigh) |
| 20:32.24 | Flibberdy | stoned how do I remove all of X? just "aptitude purge xorg"? |
| 20:32.29 | stoned | Flibberdy, uhm |
| 20:32.33 | enouf | Flibberdy: did you say SSH was involved? |
| 20:32.40 | Flibberdy | enouf: nope, i'm local |
| 20:32.48 | stoned | Flibberdy, apt-get --purge remove xorg* xserver* x11* |
| 20:32.57 | enouf | Flibberdy: as user, what does groups output? |
| 20:33.02 | stoned | maybe not x11 that might want you to remove a kernel I dunno I can't remember |
| 20:33.09 | stdisease | u spelled it right |
| 20:33.28 | deanrantala | Anyone here had any problems with kppp and usb modems under Lenny? Anytime I use kppp, connect, disconnect and remove the modem my laptop freezes. I (gasp) filed a bug report (first time ever in 7 years of Linux) which was shot down in flames. Thought it was ppp - turns out wvdial does not do it. |
| 20:33.33 | Flibberdy | stoned, okiedokies |
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| 20:33.58 | Flibberdy | enouf, dialout, video, cdrom, floppy, audio, plugdev |
| 20:34.11 | enouf | deanrantala: is there anything in ~/.kde/config/apps/kppprc that might be configured to help? |
| 20:35.21 | enouf | deanrantala: might try sdparm --command=stop /dev/ttyUSB0 or whatever your dev/name is prior .. or modprobe -r a module prior to removing it? |
| 20:35.41 | enouf | deanrantala: heck, try eject /dev/ttyUSB0 ;-) |
| 20:36.09 | deanrantala | notes |
| 20:36.39 | enouf | deanrantala: if the issue persists, try #debian-kde maybe |
| 20:36.56 | enouf | Flibberdy: looks ok |
| 20:37.40 | enouf | Flibberdy: how are you starting X, logged in as a user in a tty? using startx? and how about when root? |
| 20:37.45 | Flibberdy | stoned: purged and reinstalled.. same issue but it's not askign about a securitypolicy |
| 20:37.55 | enouf | any other errors? |
| 20:37.58 | stoned | ok |
| 20:37.59 | stoned | 1 down |
| 20:38.00 | Flibberdy | enouf: I log in, then startx |
| 20:38.19 | Flibberdy | if i start as root i logout, login as root, startx |
| 20:38.30 | stoned | Flibberdy, install strace, strace startx; pastebin the log |
| 20:38.31 | enouf | Flibberdy: exactly what is the command? maybe your DISPLAY is not set .. or something silly |
| 20:38.39 | deanrantala | will do. It is not a big issue, wvdial works (has not crapped the keyboard yet). What is wierd is even plugging a USB keyboard in when this happens will not work (I know - sounds like crap, believe me - I know). I would think it is doing somehting kernel-wise or within X |
| 20:38.43 | stoned | we'll finout exactly what the problem is |
| 20:38.45 | enouf | echo DISPLAY as root, then as user |
| 20:38.47 | stoned | find out* |
| 20:38.50 | enouf | er |
| 20:38.55 | enouf | echo $DISPLAY as root, then as user |
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| 20:39.03 | stew | you don't need DISPLAY set to startx |
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| 20:39.17 | stoned | Flibberdy, also, can you paste your new xorg.0.log |
| 20:39.18 | stoned | please |
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| 20:39.28 | enouf | deanrantala: really sounds like a usb and module issue ... |
| 20:39.50 | Flibberdy | stoned: sure. btw, is there an easy way to paste from a terminal window.. i'm a bit reliant on virtual terminals |
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| 20:39.57 | stoned | sure |
| 20:39.59 | Flibberdy | if that's the right term for terminals running in X |
| 20:40.03 | GhostlyDeath | How do I give myself more loop devices? |
| 20:40.04 | stoned | !pastewithoutx |
| 20:40.04 | dpkg | [pastewithoutx] you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin ... |
| 20:40.05 | stoned | I think |
| 20:40.09 | enouf | stew: oh? .. hrm, i seem to recall it causing issues when i tried it, when a DM was also installed ... |
| 20:40.29 | stoned | Flibberdy, /msg dpkg clipaste |
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| 20:40.36 | BanGaLous | Hi, das somebody experience with the r8169 module ? |
| 20:40.37 | deanrantala | Flibberdy: apt-get install gpm |
| 20:40.37 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: kernel boot prompt append loop=256 or something |
| 20:40.39 | stoned | so many damn factoids I can't remember! |
| 20:40.46 | deanrantala | move mouse around ;-) |
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| 20:40.55 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: but since debian's is a module you might need to tweak that |
| 20:40.58 | stoned | deanrantala, for a file as big as xorg.0.log? |
| 20:41.01 | deanrantala | highlight, and right click to paste |
| 20:41.04 | stoned | it will be hell |
| 20:41.08 | Ian_Daniher|XO | back |
| 20:41.08 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: recompile it? |
| 20:41.11 | stoned | you can actually pipe to pastebin using a perl script |
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| 20:41.21 | stoned | or.. you can go to paste.debian.net and upload the file |
| 20:41.21 | Flibberdy | stoned: I use pastebinit for actual files. i was just thinking about urls etc |
| 20:41.26 | stoned | you can upload it via lynx |
| 20:41.35 | Flibberdy | gpm is perfect |
| 20:41.39 | deanrantala | stoned: I was just meaning copy/paste in general between VT's |
| 20:41.42 | abrotman | Flibberdy: lynx/links/links2 will work just fine .. paste.debian.net has a place to upload files |
| 20:42.02 | dkr | dpkg++ # first thing e told me solved my problem. :) |
| 20:42.04 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: er .. it's max_loops= |
| 20:42.06 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L983 |
| 20:42.11 | abrotman | BanGaLous: experience doing what with it ? |
| 20:42.25 | enouf | crap - "max_loop=" |
| 20:42.41 | Flibberdy | http://pastebin.com/f426676b0 is my Xorg log |
| 20:42.49 | BanGaLous | i did the recent updates: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -ltc |grep Dec |
| 20:42.49 | BanGaLous | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 123517 Dec 16 17:11 linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686.list |
| 20:42.49 | BanGaLous | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 159989 Dec 16 17:11 linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686.md5sums |
| 20:42.49 | BanGaLous | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 258 Dec 16 17:11 linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686.postinst |
| 20:42.49 | BanGaLous | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 220 Dec 16 17:11 linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686.postrm |
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| 20:42.55 | stoned | stop |
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| 20:43.01 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: no, i don't think so - that might be needed if you were trying to add more loop devices to say a Xen dom0 |
| 20:43.36 | BanGaLous | my problem is that after the actual kernel update somehow my r8169 does not work properly anymore |
| 20:43.40 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: Not using Xen, so I should be fine then? |
| 20:43.43 | stew | !tell BanGaLous about paste |
| 20:43.50 | BanGaLous | eth0: RTL8110s at 0xee01af00, fe:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, XID 04000000 IRQ 16 |
| 20:43.58 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I just need to wait until the server reboots now |
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| 20:44.25 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: IIRC - i'm not 100% sure - you might want to add loop to /etc/modules . and maybe even add an options to an /etc/modprobe.d/file |
| 20:44.37 | Darkhost | http://imperiumreklamy.com/pages/ptp.php?refid=krzysztof9222<---- Look at this!! new debian? |
| 20:44.44 | BanGaLous | also i get: vif0.0: received packet with own address as source address |
| 20:44.47 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: look at the top of the URL i gave you |
| 20:44.51 | stoned | what? |
| 20:44.54 | Flibberdy | does strace automatically put output into a log file? |
| 20:44.58 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I'm already using loops though |
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| 20:45.00 | stoned | Flibberdy, man strace |
| 20:45.01 | stoned | it can |
| 20:45.13 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: so? it's set to 8 IIRC |
| 20:45.21 | enouf | 0-7 |
| 20:45.25 | amphi | 8 it is |
| 20:45.30 | GhostlyDeath | I set it to 128 |
| 20:45.42 | enouf | ok, then you're good to go |
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| 20:46.26 | stoned | Flibberdy, use -o with or w/o -f if you please |
| 20:46.27 | JyZyXEL | -rw------- 1 root root 9426 2008-12-01 20:17 .ICEauthority |
| 20:46.34 | JyZyXEL | why does this happen so often? |
| 20:46.42 | stew | JyZyXEL: why does what happen? |
| 20:46.50 | Flibberdy | http://pastebin.com/f68febd8 is the strace output |
| 20:46.53 | JyZyXEL | stew the file gets chmodded and owned like that |
| 20:47.01 | JyZyXEL | GNOME won't start with that shit |
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| 20:47.11 | JyZyXEL | so i gotta go and chmod/own it |
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| 20:47.16 | Flibberdy | JyZyXEL: do you startx via su? |
| 20:47.20 | stew | JyZyXEL: gnome should start with it that way |
| 20:47.31 | stew | JyZyXEL: and you don't really want to have it any other way |
| 20:47.33 | enouf | JyZyXEL: is that file from /root/ or from a ~/ ? |
| 20:47.40 | Gm4n | is there any reason not to update my etch to 2.6.24? (it's running on 2.6.18 right now) |
| 20:47.46 | JyZyXEL | "The GNOME session manager was unable to read the file: '/home/foobar/-ICEauthority' |
| 20:48.05 | stew | JyZyXEL: and you think the two files are related? |
| 20:48.15 | JyZyXEL | i typoed |
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| 20:48.45 | Iradieh | Could someone please assist me with helping me make a makefile |
| 20:48.52 | JyZyXEL | ill ust write it again |
| 20:48.56 | JyZyXEL | "The GNOME session manager was unable to read the file: '/home/foobar/.ICEauthority' |
| 20:49.25 | JyZyXEL | this happends way too often |
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| 20:50.58 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: Still 7 |
| 20:51.01 | GhostlyDeath | err 8 |
| 20:51.05 | JyZyXEL | guess ill add "chown foobar:foobar /home/foobar/.ICEauthority" to some GDM startup file |
| 20:51.17 | Flaw | Iradieh: http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/Make/ |
| 20:51.25 | stoned | Flibberdy, thats not telling me what I was looking for, or I can't find it |
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| 20:51.42 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: "I set it to 128" sounds a bit vague ;-) |
| 20:51.44 | stoned | Flibberdy, basically trying to find what is sending SIGKILL to your Xserver |
| 20:51.48 | stew | JyZyXEL: probably somehting you are running with sudo is changing the ownership and shouldn't |
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| 20:52.19 | enouf | JyZyXEL: what does ls -ld /home/foobar say? |
| 20:52.27 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda4 ro quiet max_loop=128 |
| 20:52.58 | Flibberdy | stoned: thanks for looking. it's really all greek to me :) |
| 20:53.18 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i think you'll need atleast modprobe options in /etc/modprobe.d/ .. you might even need to reroll your initrd, i forget now offhand |
| 20:53.23 | GhostlyDeath | Flibberdy: Use English Localization |
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| 20:53.57 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: modinfo loop |
| 20:53.58 | enouf | parm: max_loop:Maximum number of loop devices (int) |
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| 20:54.48 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: maybe I just need to change the partition count? |
| 20:54.56 | xingu | GhostlyDeath: loop.max_loop= on kernel command line, or /etc/modprobe.d/loop: options loop max_loop= |
| 20:55.36 | xingu | GhostlyDeath: if it's a debian kernel, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` will regen. the initrd |
| 20:55.55 | stoned | rt_sigaction(SIGKILL, {0xbf933248, [], 0}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
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| 20:56.17 | enouf | xingu: bingo - thanks |
| 20:56.30 | GhostlyDeath | I'll try the first option first xingu |
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| 20:56.37 | Flibberdy | stoned: that looks promising |
| 20:56.40 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: the 1st part xingu mentioned would be found at the top of the URL i gave you |
| 20:57.24 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: as modules get parameters written a bit differently - loop.max_loop= rather than just max_loop= |
| 20:57.37 | mordy | gah, lsof and fuser show nothing, should i just unplug the damn thing? |
| 20:57.40 | stoned | so |
| 20:57.51 | stoned | Flibberdy, right before that somewhere, it should check for permissions |
| 20:57.58 | stoned | Flibberdy, if root, don't kill X, if not root, kill X |
| 20:58.17 | stoned | Flibberdy, thats apprantly whats going on, it seems like an .Xauthority issue to me |
| 20:58.20 | stoned | once again |
| 20:58.28 | GhostlyDeath | seems the first option didn't work |
| 20:58.30 | stoned | anyone else is welcome to have a go at it. |
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| 20:59.34 | enouf | i see some funk in my initrd when i rgrep for loop |
| 21:00.32 | stoned | Flibberdy, do you have an ~/.Xauthority file? |
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| 21:02.00 | Flibberdy | stoned: I do. |
| 21:02.02 | GhostlyDeath | xingu: the second worked |
| 21:02.07 | GhostlyDeath | thanks enouf + xingu |
| 21:02.09 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: if for some odd reason the d-r l-i-uname-r also doesn't do it, run update-initramfs, after editing /etc/initramfs-tools/* appropriately - hah! |
| 21:02.19 | Flibberdy | stoned: i'm reading the man page for it at the moment.. looks confusing |
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| 21:02.58 | xingu | stoned: I've got the strace and xorg.0.log - can you recap the original fault description? it's dropped out of my scrollback. |
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| 21:04.00 | stoned | Flibberdy, for the time being, mv .Xauthority .Xauthority.backup |
| 21:04.04 | stoned | Flibberdy, try to start X |
| 21:04.17 | stoned | xingu, permission issue |
| 21:04.21 | Flibberdy | xingu: it boils down to: I can start x (via startx) as root, but not as a normal user. i'm in the right groups, and console can start x |
| 21:04.21 | stoned | user can't start X, while root can |
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| 21:04.38 | vinc | hi! I'm using debian lenny on a thinkpad T60. I have a problem setting the brightness level. In fact when I try to increase it to the maximum level, the widget that indicates the brightness level first get filled and then it looks empy (even if the brightness level has not reached its maximum). Finally, when i set max brightness level, it stay set only for a few seconds, then it decreases by a level. What can I do? |
| 21:05.08 | xingu | Flibberdy: ls -lad /dev/dri/card0 ? |
| 21:05.12 | Flibberdy | stoned: done that, same effect |
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| 21:05.44 | Flibberdy | xingu: crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 226, 0 2008-12-16 21:04 /dev/dri/card0 |
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| 21:05.59 | Flibberdy | xingu: i'm in the video group according to groups |
| 21:06.16 | stoned | Flibberdy, new file |
| 21:06.23 | stoned | Flibberdy, after you mv it, touch ~/.Xauthority |
| 21:06.25 | stoned | try again |
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| 21:07.22 | Flibberdy | stoned: still nothing. What confuses me is the lack of any error message :/ |
| 21:07.46 | stoned | Flibberdy, pastebin /var/log/auth.log |
| 21:07.53 | stew | Flibberdy: do you have a .xinitrc? |
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| 21:08.05 | stew | Flibberdy: do you have some reason to believe that htis is a permissions problem? |
| 21:08.06 | stoned | he does not, no .xinitrc was found according ot strace |
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| 21:08.47 | gcbirzan | Hm, how can I see why a package is installed with aptitude? o doesn't show anything relating to it... |
| 21:08.53 | Flibberdy | http://pastebin.com/f300e4dca <-- auth.log |
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| 21:09.02 | Flibberdy | stew: I do have a .xinitrc |
| 21:09.03 | stew | gcbirzan: you can try "aptitude why packagename" |
| 21:09.08 | stew | Flibberdy: can you show us its contents? |
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| 21:09.30 | stoned | Flibberdy, you can going through ssh? |
| 21:09.42 | mimcpher | Hey, sorry to have to ask such a basic question, but I'm in a huge rush. I need a quick way to print 4 pictures on the same page -- tiled, I guess. I've got a set of different sized photos all with the same aspect ratio |
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| 21:09.56 | Flibberdy | stoned: it's empty |
| 21:09.59 | dustybin | where can i locate the xorg log in debian? |
| 21:10.05 | stew | Flibberdy: .xinitrc is empty? |
| 21:10.05 | Flibberdy | s/stoned/stew/ |
| 21:10.06 | dustybin | is it in /var/log or somewhere else? |
| 21:10.15 | gcbirzan | stew: Pfft. Upgraded apt to the lenny version and now it doesn't want to isntall that package anymore. :-P |
| 21:10.26 | Flibberdy | dustybin: /var/log/Xorg |
| 21:10.28 | gcbirzan | Oh, actually, it does want. I'm just blind |
| 21:10.28 | stew | Flibberdy: that explains it then. x starts, executes that script, and when the script finishes it quits X |
| 21:10.32 | stoned | dustybin, /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 21:10.42 | stew | Flibberdy: do you want to start a DE or window manager? or some application? or what? |
| 21:10.43 | stoned | * being the display # |
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| 21:11.00 | Flibberdy | stew, i had fluxbox installed, and it used to have startfluxbox |
| 21:11.11 | Flibberdy | i removed fluxbox as part of the diagnostic process |
| 21:11.28 | Flibberdy | i'll reinstall it and reinstate the line |
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| 21:11.46 | stew | Flibberdy: is there something you'd prefer to use instead of fluxbox? |
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| 21:13.41 | Flibberdy | stew: in all honesty i don't care. I just use fluxbox because this pc is old as sin and i'm used to flux |
| 21:14.06 | Flibberdy | well, as old as 7 year old sin |
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| 21:15.03 | stoned | gcbirzan, eat some carrots and stop jacking off ;) |
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| 21:15.11 | xingu | Flibberdy: was your xorg.0.log from the working case, or the failed case? |
| 21:15.19 | Flibberdy | xingu: failed |
| 21:15.28 | gcbirzan | stoned: I'd rather have some beer, if it's all the same to you. :-P |
| 21:15.31 | stew | xingu: its all the working case. he has a blank .xinitrc |
| 21:15.40 | stoned | xingu, its elusive mate |
| 21:15.50 | Flibberdy | stew: I don't have a blank one anymore, and i have exactly the same issue |
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| 21:16.05 | stew | Flibberdy: can you show us the contents of your .xinitrc? |
| 21:16.29 | stoned | you can start X though console but not through a display manager? |
| 21:16.30 | jdrake | Has anyone ever heard of a utility called isofile? It is supposed to be able to show sector numbers for files on the dvd image. It is necessary to verify dvd video image created properly. |
| 21:16.39 | stoned | Flibberdy, is that what you also said? |
| 21:17.14 | Flibberdy | stoned: nope.. however, it's been fixed now |
| 21:17.21 | stoned | whats fixed now? |
| 21:17.34 | Flibberdy | I think i had 2 issues.. the security one and then an .xinitrc file |
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| 21:17.53 | Flibberdy | i b0rked .xinitrc trying to fix the SecurityPolicy problem |
| 21:18.18 | Flibberdy | stoned: i had exec startfluxbox & in .xinitrc |
| 21:18.26 | Flibberdy | dunno why i put the & |
| 21:18.29 | stew | Flibberdy: you don't want the & |
| 21:18.30 | Flibberdy | maybe i was drunk |
| 21:18.42 | Flibberdy | stew: i know :S |
| 21:18.46 | stoned | you can have a blank .xinitrc |
| 21:19.00 | Flibberdy | stoned: you can? let me try |
| 21:19.01 | stoned | even if you don't have one its ok |
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| 21:19.06 | stoned | sure |
| 21:19.23 | stoned | it will cascade to /etc/X11 to look for it |
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| 21:19.35 | stew | Flibberdy: you can have a blank one. and as soon as the script which does nothing exits, so will X. which isn't what you want |
| 21:20.12 | xingu | unless you're particularly trying to give your monitor a workout |
| 21:20.30 | Flibberdy | stoned: you're right, with it blank it behaves like it did with root |
| 21:20.37 | stoned | stew |
| 21:20.38 | stoned | not stoned |
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| 21:20.50 | Flibberdy | no i aimed that at you |
| 21:20.54 | stoned | ok |
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| 21:20.57 | Flibberdy | anyway, it's fixed now |
| 21:21.01 | Flibberdy | i feel like a total plank |
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| 21:21.09 | Flibberdy | what a terrible day |
| 21:21.10 | stoned | how did you fix it? |
| 21:21.26 | Flibberdy | i recreated .xinitrc |
| 21:21.59 | stoned | did I suggest that you recreate it? |
| 21:22.08 | stoned | or was I talking about .Xauthority at that time? |
| 21:22.17 | stoned | I can't recall my IRC buffer is small |
| 21:22.24 | Flibberdy | .Xauthority |
| 21:22.40 | stoned | I see, I would have eventually gotten to .xinitrc |
| 21:22.50 | stoned | stew is more advanced in debian than I |
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| 21:22.51 | Flibberdy | i thought when i purged X completely it would take .xinitrc with it, apparently not |
| 21:23.13 | stew | Flibberdy: no, the package management tools wouldn't touch your home directory |
| 21:23.20 | stoned | Flibberdy, thats a big no no |
| 21:23.20 | Flibberdy | well stoned and stew, thank you for your help |
| 21:23.32 | Flibberdy | stew: that makes sense |
| 21:24.00 | Flibberdy | always forgets what happens when you ASSuME. should know better |
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| 21:24.22 | Flibberdy | but now i'm going to try and convince my wife it was a worthwhile 3 hours to get this working again.. |
| 21:24.34 | stoned | don't convince |
| 21:24.44 | stoned | go buy some flowers, make a reservation at a nice resturant |
| 21:24.52 | stoned | and then get you some ;) |
| 21:25.11 | stoned | food I mean. |
| 21:25.23 | kingsley | What's the practical advantage of using "allow-hotplug eth0" instead of "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:26.48 | stoned | If "allow-hotplug" is used then "dhclient" has to be run manually in order for eth0 to get its IP related settings so as for advantage |
| 21:26.52 | stoned | I'm not sure |
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| 21:27.35 | dustybin | how can i get to line 99 using vim? |
| 21:27.46 | lunk | down arrow 99 times |
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| 21:27.51 | dustybin | nooooooo |
| 21:27.54 | lunk | probably faster than waiting for a response |
| 21:27.57 | adama_ | hehe |
| 21:28.08 | adama_ | just press :99<enter> |
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| 21:28.57 | Gm4n | or if you're at the top already, 99j will do it |
| 21:29.25 | MeatShield | Hi... currently in /etc/console-tools/config I have SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16, and the same 'lat0-sun16' font for all vc.s I want to change to the terminus font for boot time and all consoles. I installed the "console-terminus" package, but i'm unsure what font to specify. |
| 21:29.40 | MeatShield | In the config file I mean. |
| 21:29.57 | stoned | I don't know |
| 21:30.11 | abrotman | kingsley: it's supposed to allow the system to recognize that the device has been magically brought on-line .. and should then do the networking bit for it |
| 21:30.14 | jelly-home | MeatShield: terminus comes in different sizes |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | kingsley: AIUI anyways |
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| 21:30.25 | stoned | butI think it may have to do with changing networks ettings automatically |
| 21:30.48 | stoned | matic, magic |
| 21:30.50 | stoned | same thing |
| 21:30.54 | stew | kingsley: its used by, for intance, pcmcia, so that it can bring up your networking device when you plugin the ethernet card |
| 21:30.54 | stoned | there is no magic, its all automatic. |
| 21:31.03 | stew | kingsley: not what stoned is saying |
| 21:31.04 | MeatShield | jelly-home: I was thinking 14 or 16, just like now. I don't mind the font size currently of lat0-sun... |
| 21:31.39 | JarJarBinks | for some time now my man pages have been looking weird. for example from one of the second line under description in xterm(1) I get -"Tektronix 4014 compatible termi�[m<80><90> |
| 21:31.47 | stoned | ahh |
| 21:31.48 | stoned | my mistake |
| 21:32.07 | stoned | it has to do with actual hotplugging |
| 21:32.11 | stew | kingsley: if your hardware is not hot-pluggable, ther would be no reason to use it |
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| 21:32.49 | JarJarBinks | anybody knows how to corfrect this locale tells me en_DK.UTF-8 for all and I use uxterm (xterm -Class -u8) |
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| 21:33.52 | kingsley | OK, is there a drawback to using "allow-hotplug eth0"? |
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| 21:34.22 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 21:34.24 | MeatShield | I think this might be it... ter-114n |
| 21:34.28 | MeatShield | or ter-116n |
| 21:34.59 | rspoonz | i have a debootstrap lenny based system running on a low powered industrial controller, which kernel should i choose to minimise memory usage? |
| 21:35.07 | MeatShield | However, will this apply the settings at boot? Because I'm reading a thread that suggests making the change in /etc/rc.d/rc.font as well... I've not seen that before |
| 21:35.31 | stoned | more recently the hotplug mechanism has been added so that many more peripherals can be swapped in and out while the computer is running. This includes networking hardware. Note that services that depend on hardware that is hot swapped must only be started after the hardware is inserted and must be stopped when the hardware is removed. This means that such services must be removed from the control of the System V init system and put under the control o |
| 21:35.37 | stoned | ... ifupdown instead |
| 21:35.53 | jelly-home | !console font |
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| 21:35.56 | jelly-home | hm |
| 21:36.13 | jelly-home | !console fonts |
| 21:36.13 | dpkg | If your console fonts settings have been changed, you can reset them using the consolechars command. The default font is default 8x*. |
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| 21:36.22 | jelly-home | that's not it |
| 21:36.37 | stew | kingsley: i dont' think so |
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| 21:37.01 | jelly-home | MeatShield: look in the vicinity of /etc/default/console-setup |
| 21:37.07 | stoned | I thought with hotplug you have to .. why did I think you have to m anually run dhclient |
| 21:37.10 | stoned | wtf |
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| 21:39.32 | jelly-home | judd: versions console-setup |
| 21:39.33 | judd | jelly-home: console-setup -- etch: 1.13 lenny: 1.28 sid: 1.28 |
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| 21:39.45 | jelly-home | k, so it's available in stable |
| 21:40.09 | stoned | man |
| 21:40.11 | stew | kingsley: fwiw, i believe d-i sets the interfaces as 'allow-hotplug' and not 'auto', but, like i said. if the device isn't hotpluggable, i dont' think there is any practical difference |
| 21:40.21 | stoned | I know I'm not going fucking crazy... |
| 21:40.33 | stoned | I know I remember having to actually do this, thats why I know I'm so sure |
| 21:40.36 | stoned | but why? |
| 21:41.05 | stoned | goddamit!. |
| 21:41.22 | stoned | I'm not gonna remember, so fuck it. whatever. *sigh* |
| 21:41.43 | Gm4n | stoned: if you need it to run on another interface, perhaps? or if you switch wifi networks? I have to on my backtrack laptop |
| 21:42.22 | kingsley | stoned & stew: OK, thanks. |
| 21:42.28 | stoned | Gm4n, thanks bro man, but I'm not worried about it |
| 21:42.33 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:42.52 | stoned | oh bingo |
| 21:43.12 | stoned | that was when I was setting up my packet injection patched 2.6.18 sid kernel for bcm43xx |
| 21:43.14 | Flibberdy | here's rather a random issue, on boot my NIC isn't given an ip address, but once it's booted i can happily do ifdown, ifup and it will get one. |
| 21:43.30 | stoned | yes, it was in those times when I had recently newly moved to NYC I was doing that and I remember having to do that a lot |
| 21:43.38 | stoned | I knew I wasn't going crazy. |
| 21:44.32 | stoned | hah, dhclient not running on boot |
| 21:44.47 | stoned | ... perhaps you're using allow-hotplug ;) |
| 21:44.59 | Flibberdy | i don't recall every configuring it |
| 21:45.05 | stoned | debian does it |
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| 21:45.14 | stoned | Flibberdy, just for the fuck of it |
| 21:45.17 | DynV | I'd like to apply a regex only to certain files, with the extension .php and .inc how could I do that ? |
| 21:45.24 | Flibberdy | where do I disable it? |
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| 21:45.29 | stoned | try changing allow-hotplug to eth0 to auto eth0 |
| 21:45.37 | stoned | Flibberdy, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:45.41 | stoned | Flibberdy, man 5 interfaces |
| 21:45.54 | stoned | for now just try what I said |
| 21:45.57 | stoned | I just wanna see something |
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| 21:46.56 | kingsley | stoned: You might be interested to know that archaeologists recently opened a 2,700 year old tomb in the Gobi desert, and discovered a 2 pound green mass that turned out to be marijuana. It's supposed to be the world's oldest marijuana stash. Previously, the oldest known stash was found in Willie Nelson's tour bus (according to Jay Leno). |
| 21:47.23 | Flibberdy | stoned: ok, did that |
| 21:47.25 | stoned | kingsley, #debian-chat |
| 21:47.28 | stoned | Flibberdy, reboot |
| 21:47.29 | stoned | ! |
| 21:47.33 | Flibberdy | oh god |
| 21:47.36 | Flibberdy | i can't :D |
| 21:47.39 | Flibberdy | this pc is knackered |
| 21:47.41 | stoned | well you wanna test it don't ya? |
| 21:47.43 | stoned | heh |
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| 21:48.01 | Flibberdy | if i reboot i tend to have to switch it off at the wall for 30 seconds, then reset the bios. |
| 21:48.04 | Flibberdy | :/ |
| 21:48.17 | stoned | oh damn, bad cmos |
| 21:48.18 | MeatShield | hmm... so I'm looking through dmm and it doesn't really have a setup guide? |
| 21:48.25 | stoned | that sucks |
| 21:48.30 | stoned | either that no more battery |
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| 21:48.55 | Flibberdy | stoned: bad battery and failed hdd |
| 21:48.58 | MeatShield | I've added the repo for Canada to my /etc/apt/sources.list ... but dmm doesn't give any tips on how to pin that at a lower priority than my standard lenny repos. |
| 21:48.58 | stoned | I had to do that back in like 1994 once, Ihada pc and my lithium battery died and i couldn't get one for a few days everytime I rebooted I had to reset bios settings |
| 21:49.02 | stoned | it sucked |
| 21:49.05 | stoned | Flibberdy, ouch |
| 21:49.10 | Flibberdy | i am buying a new pc.. as soon as i can afford it. but meh, thanks for the advice |
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| 21:49.29 | Flibberdy | erm.. not failed hdd.. failed motherboard.. specifically hdd controllers randmly switch ogg |
| 21:49.33 | stoned | I think you need hotplug in order to bring up hotpluggable devices even NIC |
| 21:49.38 | stoned | I think.... |
| 21:49.50 | stoned | so if you have allow-hotplug and not auto, it will not bring up ifyou dont have hotplug? |
| 21:49.52 | Flibberdy | s/off/ogg/ anyway, ive strayed offtopic. |
| 21:49.53 | stoned | is this correct? |
| 21:49.57 | melfar | Hey guys. I'm new to Debian Lenny, and there is one thing I've found really weird. I have a number of apt-get -y install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 lines, and I executed them all. What I found out, though, is that it didn't install all of the packages. I ran those lines over again, and it installed some missing packages. Did that again -- same story. I had to repeat it a dozen times before it installed all of the packages. What's the problem? Am I not suppose |
| 21:49.58 | melfar | d to install more than one package at once with apt-get on Lenny? |
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| 21:50.25 | MeatShield | And the how-to I've got on pinning... I can't uhh.. translate. It says to pin by source like so: "Pin: origin www.debian-multimedia.org" but that's not where my /etc/apt/sources.list is pointing. It is pointing at deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/debian/debian-multimedia/ stable main ... so my question: What should my Pin: origin be? |
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| 21:51.08 | stoned | melfar, you don't think thats because of y? |
| 21:51.29 | stoned | so |
| 21:51.40 | stoned | MeatShield, your source would be gulus.......cs |
| 21:51.41 | stoned | ca |
| 21:52.01 | stoned | Pin: origin gulus.usherbrooke.ca |
| 21:52.06 | stoned | its the domain |
| 21:52.23 | MeatShield | melfar: I only had a problem with aptitude once, and at the time it prompted me to run dpkg configure -a (or something like that) which I did and which then installled all the packages that had failed to install. |
| 21:52.28 | MeatShield | stoned: Cheers |
| 21:52.34 | stoned | MeatShield, do not pin |
| 21:52.41 | stoned | MeatShield, why are you pinning? |
| 21:52.52 | stoned | !wayttd MeatShield |
| 21:52.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, MeatShield? |
| 21:52.54 | melfar | MeatShield, it didn't complain about any problems, though |
| 21:53.08 | MeatShield | stoned: Because I don't want anything available in Debian's official repos to be replaced by packages in debian multimedia |
| 21:53.21 | stoned | MeatShield, I see |
| 21:53.29 | stoned | you just want to grab w32 I'm guessing? |
| 21:53.45 | MeatShield | stoned: Yeah. And maybe flash or some dvd stuff. |
| 21:53.49 | stoned | you can aptitude -R w32codecs or whatever, you dont have to pin |
| 21:54.12 | stoned | however it may need to be pinned for dependencies with higher version numbers |
| 21:54.28 | stoned | I think this calls for a Pinning this time :) |
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| 21:55.06 | MeatShield | stoned: heh. Thanks for the help with the origin. I was gonna put the full url in there.. but that felt wrong. My spidey senses or what-have-you. |
| 21:55.15 | stoned | heh |
| 21:55.32 | stoned | man apt_preferences |
| 21:56.26 | stoned | just give debian-multimedia.org a lower priority |
| 21:56.35 | stoned | :) |
| 21:56.59 | stoned | MeatShield, read this section How APT Interprets Priorities |
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| 21:58.14 | triptec1 | I'm trying to setup a proxy, I can surf and so on but not host battle.net games throght it (udp) any ideas? |
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| 21:58.39 | Gokee2 | Hello all, does anyone know of a console based web browser with java script support? |
| 21:58.43 | stoned | battle.net and any PvPGN software emulation is not supported legally on freenode |
| 21:58.53 | MeatShield | stoned: I am. It's already caused me to change the pin priority of dmm from 300 to 550. ;) |
| 21:58.57 | stoned | it is illegal to run and/or host any PvPGN or BNET servers. |
| 21:59.04 | stoned | please go elsewhere. |
| 21:59.31 | stoned | Gokee2, uhmmm good question |
| 21:59.31 | triptec1 | stoned: not what I'm doing |
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| 21:59.50 | stoned | triptec1, just hosting games through a proxy? |
| 22:00.03 | triptec1 | yeah |
| 22:00.17 | stoned | triptec1, which proxy software |
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| 22:00.31 | stoned | triptec1, have you allowed the ports used by your game? |
| 22:00.33 | maligor | stoned, when money is concerned, the company always wins, eh |
| 22:00.38 | triptec1 | acually just being in the same game as my friend who is behind the same fw as me |
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| 22:00.39 | stoned | have you also forwarded those to your machine? |
| 22:00.47 | stoned | maligor, indeed |
| 22:00.59 | Gokee2 | stoned: Its annoying comcast decided to use javascript login on their modem |
| 22:01.16 | stoned | Gokee2, they should offer a telnet session to the router/modem |
| 22:01.34 | stoned | afaik, I don't know of any |
| 22:01.37 | Gokee2 | stoned: Hmm they don`t say they do anywhere |
| 22:01.59 | stoned | they have telnet enabled for service repair men |
| 22:02.00 | triptec1 | we can play in different games but not the same.. I think it has something todo with us having the same ip |
| 22:02.02 | ErZo | Hello fellow debianusers! I aspire to setup hibernation/suspend on my Debian sid laptop. I'm running an encrypted LVM with three volumes. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Like a wiki or guide please? I havn't found anything to help me myself :-) |
| 22:02.02 | stoned | just telnet to the ip |
| 22:02.05 | Gokee2 | I guess I will have to bring down my laptop then :( |
| 22:02.05 | stoned | try it |
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| 22:02.22 | stoned | triptec1, 1 ip cannot host more than 1 bnet game, on open or on closed |
| 22:02.43 | triptec1 | yeah, and that is ok |
| 22:02.53 | mordy | gah wtf "User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1" |
| 22:02.54 | ErZo | Oh, and I'm running the stock kernel (2.6.26-1 wed nov 26 19:14 build)! |
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| 22:03.00 | triptec1 | but the guy who joins it need another ip |
| 22:03.08 | stoned | triptec1, yes |
| 22:03.11 | triptec1 | and my isp cant give us another |
| 22:03.13 | abrotman | wonders what that has to do with debian ? |
| 22:03.28 | stoned | I was starting to wonder that myself |
| 22:03.36 | triptec1 | thats why I'm trying to set up a proxy so it looks like it's another ip |
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| 22:03.44 | stoned | it won't be |
| 22:04.03 | stoned | he will have YOUR ip |
| 22:04.04 | triptec1 | no? |
| 22:04.14 | abrotman | uhm .. #debian ... |
| 22:04.21 | ErZo | triptec1: just run a vpn or something then? Like.. Hamachi or whatever :| |
| 22:04.31 | stoned | triptec1, ##linux ##windows |
| 22:04.31 | ErZo | But yeah, this isn't relevant to #debian really! |
| 22:04.31 | triptec1 | I got another computer with another ip at my fathers house |
| 22:04.32 | stoned | have fun |
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| 22:04.53 | stoned | triptec1, when you get rready to install and configure the proxy on debian let us know |
| 22:05.03 | Gokee2 | stoned: Hmm it lets me try a username and password but won`t let me in... I guss its only setup to let service guys in |
| 22:05.06 | stoned | triptec1, or try ##networking for other advic |
| 22:05.11 | triptec1 | I have already, dante |
| 22:05.17 | triptec1 | k |
| 22:05.18 | triptec1 | thx |
| 22:05.20 | stoned | Gokee2, probably |
| 22:05.29 | Gokee2 | Any idea how to scroll up in irssi? I only use it about once ever few munths and always forgtet :( |
| 22:05.36 | stoned | Gokee2, page up |
| 22:05.38 | stoned | :) |
| 22:05.39 | Gokee2 | forget* |
| 22:05.41 | stoned | or shift + page up |
| 22:05.44 | stoned | in cli |
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| 22:05.58 | ErZo | it's just page up, for me in cli~ |
| 22:06.03 | Gokee2 | stoned: Wow thats easy :0 |
| 22:06.10 | stoned | who'da thunk! |
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| 22:06.18 | stoned | page up makes you go 1 page up! |
| 22:06.20 | stoned | omg! |
| 22:06.23 | stoned | :) |
| 22:06.30 | Gokee2 | Well thanks I think I will switch to my laptop to work on this thing |
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| 22:06.38 | karsten | Gokee2: I've found I can't scroll back in irssi on screen sessions within OS X for whatever reason. Native Linux seems to be OK. |
| 22:06.51 | stoned | ypu, I'm gonna take a break smoke a bowl eat something. Good luck debian people! |
| 22:06.52 | abrotman | karsten: ctrl-esc .. copy mode ? |
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| 22:07.01 | ErZo | I want to setup hibernation/suspend on my Debian sid laptop. I'm running an encrypted LVM with three volumes. Running stock-kernel (2.6.26-1 nov 26 19:14 build). Could anyone point me in the right direction? Like a wiki or guide please? I havn't found anything to help me myself yet.. |
| 22:07.01 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 22:07.08 | stoned | *out* |
| 22:07.13 | abrotman | erm .. ctrl-a, esc |
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| 22:07.14 | joltcan | karsten: because default keymapping in osx terminal is wrong |
| 22:07.25 | peleg | do you know of a good/simple note taking software for command line usage? |
| 22:07.25 | ErZo | Please beat me into the right direction, anyone! |
| 22:07.30 | karsten | abrotman: I'm going to get Debian on the thing Real Soon Now, I swear. Parallels, too, I think. |
| 22:07.35 | karsten | joltcan: Yeah, I've noticed. |
| 22:07.43 | joltcan | karsten: there are guides on the interblag |
| 22:07.52 | dkr | peleg: cat - >notes |
| 22:07.55 | stew | karsten: esc-p/esc-n should still work |
| 22:08.16 | peleg | dkr, something a bit less simple than that? |
| 22:08.25 | karsten | joltcan: One of the things that cracked me up was reading a Mac user's tales of trying Linux periodically and quitting at one point because his backspace key wasn't prperly mapped (this on PC hardware). Oddly enough, OS X has this same problem now. |
| 22:08.28 | joltcan | karsten: I think you have to use shift+fn+arrows (but thats from memory) |
| 22:08.35 | karsten | stew: Danke, I'll try to remember that. |
| 22:08.43 | joltcan | karsten: Also a setting in osx terminal |
| 22:08.53 | karsten | joltcan: fn-arrow *does* work in most apps but not w/in irssi. |
| 22:08.54 | stew | karsten: or even meta-p/meta-n if such a thing exists |
| 22:09.06 | stew | probably shift-open-apple-start-button-p or something |
| 22:09.21 | karsten | joltcan: I've found issues with Terminall.app, iTerm, and various X terms under a rooted X11 environment. |
| 22:10.24 | joltcan | karsten: I will go offline now, but there are solutions to your terminal issues if you google for it (because that how I fixed it) |
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| 22:10.32 | petemc | with terminal.app and iterm its juswt a setting |
| 22:10.40 | adb | judd: versions gns3 |
| 22:10.41 | judd | adb: gns3 -- lenny/non-free: 0.5-1 sid/non-free: 0.5-1 |
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| 22:11.13 | zxd | hello |
| 22:11.19 | zxd | Attempt to allocate order 5 skbuff. Increase MAX_SKBUFF_ORDER. , does anyone know what this means |
| 22:11.24 | zxd | i get this in a domu |
| 22:11.35 | karsten | joltcan: Not too concerned right ATm. |
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| 22:16.36 | Iradieh | Anyone with SDL here that want to try out my game? |
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| 22:18.17 | jepler | does anybody know if there's a reason that the "arduino" development environment isn't packaged on debian? the supporting stuff like avr-libc and avrdude are, but I didn't find an arduino package |
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| 22:18.53 | Iradieh | Anyone with SDL here that want to try out my game? |
| 22:18.59 | abrotman | jepler: checked the WNPP ? |
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| 22:19.11 | abrotman | Iradieh: there is an SDL channel |
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| 22:19.20 | Iradieh | abrotman: I know |
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| 22:20.00 | jepler | abrotman: no, I'm not familiar enough with debian packaging to know where to look -- but that looks like a good pointer |
| 22:20.48 | jepler | (though I didn't spot it in any of those lists) |
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| 22:24.44 | Iradieh | Excuse me, is there a way to make a shortcut to a file, and have it being portable, like if I send it to someone else the shortcurt will still work (given that it's a folder and etc..) |
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| 22:26.47 | nullboy | symlinks should work like that provided that the other user has the same filesystem layout and file placement |
| 22:27.41 | Iradieh | I want to have a shortcut where File A points to FolderB/FileC and make it all of it into a tarball and have it portable |
| 22:27.44 | Iradieh | nullboy: how? |
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| 22:29.10 | abrotman | jepler: debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 22:29.21 | abrotman | Iradieh: portable to which OSes ? |
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| 22:30.37 | nullboy | Iradieh: will work like that as it is |
| 22:30.51 | jepler | abrotman: I guess finding no mention of arduino there means that it's not on anybody's radar |
| 22:30.59 | abrotman | jepler: file an RFP |
| 22:31.03 | abrotman | !tell jepler about rfp |
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| 22:31.13 | Iradieh | abrotman: just ubuntu |
| 22:31.18 | jepler | abrotman: thanks again |
| 22:31.52 | stew | jepler: last I looked it was non-free and buggy. and not really needed, i found it much easier to just use avrdude directly |
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| 22:32.16 | nullboy | Iradieh: example: cd ~ && mkdir TEST && touch TEST/fileA && ln -s TEST/fileA fileA && tar cjvf TEST.tar.bz2 fileA TEST && rm -rf fileA TEST && tarxvf TEST.tar.bz2 && ls -alh fileA |
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| 22:32.34 | Iradieh | nullboy: doesn't matter : |
| 22:32.38 | nullboy | ? |
| 22:32.43 | Iradieh | nullboy: Since makefile shortcut will only work in that folder |
| 22:33.06 | jepler | stew: have a pointer to discussion of why it's non-free? arduino.cc represents the dev environment as being gpl+lgpl. |
| 22:33.12 | Iradieh | nullboy: if I make a shortcut to the makefile and use eg make clean it won't find anything since all the files are in the goleder |
| 22:33.17 | vinc | hello! how can i pass a parameter to a kernel module being loaded automatically on startup? the module id thinkpad_acpi and i can't find it in /etc/modules |
| 22:33.30 | bigshot | i am getting this while installing Xbacklight on debain etchnhalf |
| 22:33.30 | bigshot | Requested 'xrandr >= 1.2.0' but version of Xrandr is 1.1.0.2 |
| 22:33.30 | bigshot | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.38 | jepler | vinc: man modprobe.conf may be what you're looking for |
| 22:33.53 | stew | jepler: hmm, i could be misremembering the non-free part |
| 22:34.02 | vinc | jepler: thank you |
| 22:34.09 | nullboy | Iradieh: in that example it will work fine because it doesn't spec full paths. extracting will extract to $CWD |
| 22:34.12 | kingsley | Is /etc/modules.conf ignored by version 2.6 of the kernel? |
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| 22:34.32 | nullboy | Iradieh: then the link points to $CWD/TEST/fileA |
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| 22:35.41 | octoserver | is there a way to make the kernel release a drive? it isnt being used and i cant finish the partition untill reboot since the kernel is still using the pld partition table ? |
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| 22:36.19 | nullboy | Iradieh: try it, do that example in ~ but then cd /tmp && tar xvf ~/TEST.tar.bz2 && ls -alh fileA |
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| 22:36.46 | hesco | how would I open an .ai file on a gnu desktop? |
| 22:36.52 | Iradieh | nullboy: yes but the makefile itself won't work as when I try make it will look for source code in the folder i run it from |
| 22:37.02 | valdyn | octoserver: hmm? its being used or the kernel would be able to reread the partition table |
| 22:37.05 | hesco | I've tried gimp and inkspace neither top any avail |
| 22:37.07 | kingsley | octoserver: What error message are you seeing? |
| 22:37.19 | nullboy | Iradieh: i see what you mean, yes that's expected |
| 22:37.51 | octoserver | just a message after I delete and remake a partition |
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| 22:37.55 | nullboy | Iradieh: the Makefile expects to be in the top level of its build dir |
| 22:38.10 | octoserver | fdisk says new partition wont take effect untill reboot |
| 22:38.17 | bigshot | anybody? |
| 22:38.29 | mordy | does this menu.lst look ok? http://rafb.net/p/WTRq6o41.html |
| 22:38.30 | valdyn | octoserver: which disk ? |
| 22:38.36 | nullboy | Iradieh: write a helper script to cd into TEST/ then |
| 22:38.53 | octoserver | "/dev/sda" |
| 22:39.24 | octoserver | "/dev/sdb" worked fine and both were part of a raid that was stopped |
| 22:39.46 | valdyn | octoserver: what is the output of "df | grep device""? |
| 22:39.48 | Iradieh | nullboy: it's alright |
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| 22:39.59 | Iradieh | nullboy: the user just has to CD Folder; make; ../Game |
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| 22:40.09 | Iradieh | nullboy: Nothing more to it, I appriciate your help btw |
| 22:40.21 | Iradieh | nullboy: You really wanna help me, download SDL runtimes, and try my game... |
| 22:40.22 | SodaSucks-Com | Hi! |
| 22:40.26 | kingsley | octoserver: Perhaps choosing the right key words to search Google's indices with would reveal an answer. |
| 22:40.29 | Iradieh | nullboy: I can't since I use linux with NX |
| 22:40.51 | mordy | NX is evil |
| 22:40.56 | bigshot | I am getting this > Requested 'xrandr >= 1.2.0' but version of Xrandr is 1.1.0.2 how can i get newer version of xrandr? |
| 22:40.57 | mordy | jk - i liked it actually |
| 22:40.57 | valdyn | octoserver: just need to figure out what is keeping sda in use |
| 22:41.05 | bigshot | apt-get is not working |
| 22:41.12 | valdyn | octoserver: maybe the raid isnt really stopped, for instance |
| 22:41.18 | octoserver | yea, well, i deleted the partiotion, and rather than making one right away, i will reboot and see if i can create one without it complaining |
| 22:41.22 | abrotman | Iradieh: what? |
| 22:41.28 | \amethyst | bigshot: what are you trying to install that gives you that message? |
| 22:41.35 | bigshot | xbacklight \amethyst |
| 22:41.37 | octoserver | yea, i will remove the call for the raid mount from the fstab too lol |
| 22:41.43 | Iradieh | abrotman: ? |
| 22:41.48 | \amethyst | bigshot: and you run etch? |
| 22:41.51 | octoserver | maybe that was adding to the circular problem lol |
| 22:41.52 | abrotman | Iradieh: stop spamming your game in here . this is a support channel |
| 22:41.53 | bigshot | yes etchnhalf |
| 22:41.57 | valdyn | octoserver: mdadm has this --zero-superblock command |
| 22:41.58 | nullboy | Iradieh: for the script, you just use variables like CWD=`pwd` it makes it easy |
| 22:42.04 | Iradieh | abrotman: I need support with someone with Debian running native, trying it out |
| 22:42.12 | abrotman | Iradieh: get a freaking VM |
| 22:42.15 | octoserver | yea, the superblocks were cleared |
| 22:42.30 | octoserver | or, zeroed |
| 22:42.39 | octoserver | brb |
| 22:42.49 | \amethyst | bigshot: the lenny version of xbacklight depends on the lenny version of xrandr, in addition to other things |
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| 22:43.02 | \amethyst | bigshot: if you want to run it on etch, you'll need to make a backport |
| 22:43.18 | \amethyst | bigshot: actually, even that won't work |
| 22:43.33 | \amethyst | bigshot: xrandr didn't have support for setting the backlight until 1.2 |
| 22:43.36 | bigshot | i am not installing lenny version i am doing ./configure i am having tar.gz file |
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| 22:43.41 | Ab3l | hi |
| 22:43.51 | abrotman | bigshot: on what? |
| 22:44.03 | bigshot | etchnhalf |
| 22:44.10 | \amethyst | bigshot: it won't work with the etch version of xrandr |
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| 22:45.21 | bigshot | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/app/xbacklight-1.1.tar.gz |
| 22:45.22 | \amethyst | getting it working would require backporting the libxrandr source package, then installing the libxrandr-dev generated from that |
| 22:45.53 | bigshot | how to do that \amethyst |
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| 22:46.06 | \amethyst | !ssb |
| 22:46.07 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 22:46.17 | \amethyst | do that for the libxrandr package |
| 22:46.35 | FILLVAIO2 | Hi folk! Is there any package for Debian for make command [debuild] ?? |
| 22:46.41 | \amethyst | install the resulting libxrandr-dev libxrandr2 and libxrandr2-dbg and it might work |
| 22:46.56 | Eulex | !tell FILLVAIO2 about search |
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| 22:47.23 | \amethyst | if not, you'll need to upgrade to lenny (which has a xbacklight 1.1 package already) |
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| 22:48.11 | mordy | how do i change the device type and name of my disk? |
| 22:48.32 | bigshot | where can i find sources.list file? |
| 22:48.38 | valdyn | mordy: whats a device type in that context? |
| 22:48.39 | abrotman | !b-e FILLVAIO2 |
| 22:48.39 | dpkg | FILLVAIO2: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 22:48.51 | mordy | i'm in my chrooted system and the disk is mounted as sdb - but i want it to be /hda |
| 22:48.55 | FILLVAIO2 | Is here anybody know anything about new new release of php 5.2.8 ? |
| 22:49.03 | mordy | block device, i guess valdyn |
| 22:49.18 | valdyn | mordy: well, you can change that its a block device |
| 22:49.28 | valdyn | mordy: well, you *cannot* change that its a block device |
| 22:49.40 | mordy | i don't know what to put in my fstab |
| 22:50.04 | mordy | i have an entry mounting / to hda2 - but it won't mount in boot |
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| 22:50.18 | valdyn | mordy: you got that reversed |
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| 22:50.34 | mordy | what do you mean? |
| 22:50.39 | valdyn | mordy: a block device like /dev/hda2 can be mounted at /whatever/path |
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| 22:51.00 | octoserver | well, i was able to make the partition of the whole drive and make it type fd |
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| 22:51.22 | octoserver | when I made the raid, this time it showed the corect size |
| 22:51.29 | melfar | Hey guys, I've got a problem with the command prompt being garbled when I press the 'up' key (a part of the previous command is showing to the right of the current one), it's probably related to my changing PS1 and adding ANSI-colors to it. Is it a known issue and how can I fix it? |
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| 22:51.44 | mordy | typo i guess - but the problem exists, it's not picking up /dev/hda - i guess it's either registered as sdb or hd? |
| 22:51.47 | octoserver | before it made it 2 gig which was the size of my old swap partition |
| 22:52.03 | valdyn | melfar: type reset<enter> |
| 22:52.06 | mordy | would it register as sd* even if it's connected to ide? |
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| 22:52.24 | valdyn | mordy: why the hell does it matter what the name in /dev/ is ? |
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| 22:52.29 | FILLVAIO2 | <Eulex> i haven't such file in my system. What to do? |
| 22:52.51 | mordy | valdyn - how else would it mount the root filesystem? |
| 22:52.57 | octoserver | wierd thing is that when I created the raid, mdadm told me that it found an ext2 type fs on the disk and there shouldnt have been anything |
| 22:53.00 | mordy | i mean ... |
| 22:53.07 | valdyn | mordy: its just a name |
| 22:53.09 | Eulex | FILLVAIO2, is it make or debuild you needed? |
| 22:53.14 | melfar | valdyn, it doesn't seem to help |
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| 22:53.40 | assasukasse_eee | is away: Screenshot of Elive: http://elivecd.org/Main/Screenshots |
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| 22:54.08 | Element14 | melfar: how are you doing the escape codes which change the colors? |
| 22:54.33 | bigshot | \amethyst, what is the meaning of sid? source id? |
| 22:54.38 | valdyn | mordy: i can mount /dev/hellomynamesucks at /beutifulname, cant you? |
| 22:54.44 | FILLVAIO2 | <Eulex> i think debuild. It's from here > http://blog.chty.org/post/2008/08/12/Changing-suexec-root-directory |
| 22:54.45 | stoned | its easy actually |
| 22:54.46 | melfar | Element14, the exact line is export PS1="\[\033[36m\]\h\[\033[00m:\w\[\033[35m\]\$(parse_git_branch)\[\033[00m\]# " parse_git_branch is a function (it outputs text without ansi codes) |
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| 22:55.37 | stoned | FG_BLACK=30, BG_BLACK=40, etc. etc. "$ESC[${BRIGHT};${FG_VIOLET};${BG_BLACK}m" and thent his |
| 22:55.40 | \amethyst | bigshot: sid is the name of Debian's unstable distribution. it's named after the bully from Toy Story |
| 22:55.46 | stoned | I hate the nasty numbers |
| 22:55.59 | stoned | I try to keep things broken up over many parts |
| 22:56.01 | Eulex | FILLVAIO2, couldn't you just link the right directory into /var/www? |
| 22:56.06 | stoned | define the colros first by names |
| 22:56.11 | stoned | and input the ESC code |
| 22:56.18 | Element14 | melfar: don't know whether it will help, but try changing \033 to \e |
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| 22:56.36 | bigshot | can you explain me this line? 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list |
| 22:56.43 | stoned | bigshot, sure |
| 22:56.55 | stoned | bigshot, copy your deb http: whatever line to a new line |
| 22:57.05 | \amethyst | C_RED=1 C_GREEN=2 ...; tput bold; tput setaf $GREEN; tput setab $RED; echo something; tput sgr0 #reset colors |
| 22:57.11 | stoned | bigshot, after the first 3 characters, deb, append -src so it looks like deb-src |
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| 22:57.24 | mordy | valdyn, i'm just trying to figure out why it stalls at "waiting for root filesystem" |
| 22:57.33 | stoned | bigshot, and towards the end of the file, change whatever there is to sid, like if it says etch, or stable, or testing or lenny change it to sid |
| 22:57.41 | mordy | so i'm guessing that it's trying to mount a partition which doesn't exist |
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| 22:57.48 | \amethyst | melfar: you're missing a \] after \033[00m |
| 22:57.49 | FILLVAIO2 | <Eulex> i guess yes. But it shuld be verry easy :) why not recompile apache2 with docroot i want. Or it's can make problems for me? |
| 22:57.55 | bigshot | example please ... |
| 22:57.57 | oOarthurOo | Hi.. I haven't been able to set terminus as my console font. I thought it was ter-116n, but that must be incorrect because I'm getting "not found" errors at boot. |
| 22:58.01 | stoned | bigshot, deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:58.11 | stoned | or any mirror you use |
| 22:58.14 | stoned | change the url |
| 22:58.23 | bigshot | so i should provide it with the url of the tar.gz file? |
| 22:58.28 | stoned | no |
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| 22:58.34 | stoned | bigshot, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:58.44 | bigshot | i am trying to install xbacklight.tar.gz |
| 22:58.57 | bigshot | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/app/xbacklight-1.1.tar.gz |
| 22:58.58 | mordy | maybe it's a problem with boot parameters and not fstab |
| 22:59.02 | \amethyst | stoned: trying to backport libxrandr 1.2 to etch so he can compile xbacklight |
| 22:59.02 | stoned | so why do you need deb-src for sid? |
| 22:59.03 | melfar | \amethyst, good eye! Thanks, I think that was it! |
| 22:59.04 | Eulex | FILLVAIO2, well. I recommend using the easy solution if possible if you do not know how to do the hard solution. |
| 22:59.08 | stoned | ahhh |
| 22:59.25 | bigshot | \amethyst, told me |
| 22:59.39 | stoned | isn't a later xorg ported to etch already? |
| 22:59.47 | stoned | backported* |
| 22:59.52 | \amethyst | not libxrandr |
| 23:00.01 | stoned | I See |
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| 23:00.07 | \amethyst | *hopefully* the new libxrandr will work with an older X |
| 23:00.19 | bigshot | stoned, can you tell me what should i add into my sources.list file? |
| 23:00.22 | FILLVAIO2 | <Eulex> Ok! It's reasonable! Thanx .) |
| 23:00.24 | adb | judd: versions libxrandr |
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| 23:00.45 | judd | adb: libxrandr -- |
| 23:01.00 | stoned | bigshot, after you add the line I have given you to /etc/apt/sources.list, type aptitude update, and sudo apt-get build-dep ******whatever |
| 23:01.10 | stoned | in fact there is a factord |
| 23:01.15 | stoned | !ssb |
| 23:01.15 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 23:01.39 | abrotman | maybe he shuld just use another distro |
| 23:02.06 | stoned | bigshot, I already have told you what to add |
| 23:02.15 | stoned | 05:57 < stoned> bigshot, deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 23:02.47 | stoned | perhaps you should move to lenny? |
| 23:03.00 | stoned | if its a desktop system then you should be ok with lenny its almost stable |
| 23:03.03 | bigshot | what will that line do stoned? |
| 23:03.14 | stoned | bigshot, sigh |
| 23:03.21 | bigshot | update all the packages? |
| 23:03.34 | stoned | allow me a moment to scream. |
| 23:03.42 | stoned | ok back. |
| 23:04.13 | Lagbolt | stoned, i could hear that all the way over here |
| 23:04.17 | stoned | no it will not. after you add this line, you will run apt-get update and that will download a list of package names and thier locations from the deb-src repository whichonly contains package soruces |
| 23:04.27 | stoned | bigshot, ^ |
| 23:04.48 | stoned | then you will follow the rest of the ssb factoid you were given earlier |
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| 23:04.58 | stoned | starting from step # 2 |
| 23:05.36 | bigshot | thanks |
| 23:05.45 | abrotman | gives stoned a bigger spoon |
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| 23:06.08 | stoned | whatever |
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| 23:06.56 | octoserver | man it takes a while to resync 320 gig lol\ |
| 23:07.28 | zibri | in the gtk open file dialog, how can i get a address field? |
| 23:07.49 | stoned | address? |
| 23:08.13 | zibri | a text input |
| 23:08.13 | stoned | you mean remote protocol like ftp:// or http:// path to a file? |
| 23:08.17 | stoned | just type |
| 23:08.19 | stoned | it will pop up |
| 23:08.31 | zibri | stoned: no |
| 23:08.40 | bigshot | stoned i am getting this |
| 23:08.40 | stoned | ok, but still, just type |
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| 23:08.41 | bigshot | E: Build-Depends dependency for xbacklight cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libxrandr-dev can satisfy version requirements |
| 23:08.43 | rene- | hello |
| 23:08.54 | rene- | i am having problems with my debian 4.0 installation |
| 23:08.54 | stoned | bigshot, oh boy |
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| 23:09.02 | rene- | upload speeds are dismal |
| 23:09.11 | stoned | way too many version differences since etch and now sid |
| 23:09.23 | stoned | perhaps you will be unlucky and it is time to move to lenny |
| 23:09.29 | stoned | don't worry, lenny is fantastic |
| 23:09.32 | stoned | the best debian yet |
| 23:09.35 | stoned | in mybook |
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| 23:09.47 | Lagbolt | lenny gets two thumbs up here |
| 23:09.49 | \amethyst | bigshot: got something for you |
| 23:09.58 | bigshot | what |
| 23:10.10 | bigshot | i want to "dim" my backlight |
| 23:10.10 | \amethyst | bigshot: just a sec |
| 23:10.13 | zibri | stoned: i'll take printscreens.. |
| 23:10.17 | rene- | download speeds are 3.5 Mbps and upload is like 11k/s |
| 23:10.31 | rene- | and this is a router so it is 11k/s between some hosts |
| 23:10.34 | stoned | wait, zibri you mean gtk or gtk2 |
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| 23:10.46 | stew | bigshot: you'd have to first backport libxrandr-dev and install it, and then backport xbacklight |
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| 23:11.00 | bigshot | how to "backport" |
| 23:11.12 | zibri | stoned: gtk2 i guess. |
| 23:11.15 | abrotman | we just covered that! |
| 23:11.18 | stoned | and maybe liibxrandr-dev need something else and so on and so forth |
| 23:11.19 | stew | bigshot: "/msg dpkg ssb". the procedure you are trying to do with xbacklight |
| 23:11.20 | rene- | i have used both a canopy 10mbps link and a ADSL link |
| 23:11.33 | stoned | just use lenny man |
| 23:11.44 | \amethyst | bigshot: http://s-z.org/~neil/backports/ |
| 23:11.44 | stoned | !tell bigshot -about etch->lenny |
| 23:11.52 | stoned | hey there ya go |
| 23:11.59 | stoned | !\amethyst++ |
| 23:12.03 | \amethyst | bigshot: those are .debs of all the relevant packages backported to etch |
| 23:12.15 | \amethyst | bigshot: I haven't tested them, but it compiles at least |
| 23:12.32 | stoned | zibri, I go to file open in gtk2 apps |
| 23:12.48 | zibri | stoned: http://jericho.bsnet.se/bilder/gtk_addrfield.png |
| 23:12.52 | stoned | zibri, it has location bar on top where you can type stuff |
| 23:12.54 | \amethyst | bigshot: so, if you trust unsigned packages built by some guy on IRC, you can install those with dpkg -i and you should have all you need |
| 23:12.59 | zibri | uh |
| 23:13.03 | stoned | Not Found |
| 23:13.04 | stoned | The requested URL /bilder/gtk_addrfield.png was not found on this server |
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| 23:13.08 | zibri | stoned: http://jericho.bsnet.se/bilder/gtk_addrfiled.png |
| 23:13.18 | zibri | typo when uploading :) |
| 23:13.22 | bigshot | so i download all the packages? |
| 23:13.25 | stoned | you type in plats |
| 23:13.29 | zibri | the filed labled "Plats" |
| 23:13.29 | stoned | thats the address/path field |
| 23:13.30 | \amethyst | bigshot: all five, yes |
| 23:13.33 | stoned | zibri, yes |
| 23:13.36 | bigshot | ok |
| 23:13.38 | stoned | you type your address/path in there |
| 23:13.47 | zibri | yes. but on my other box, i don't have it |
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| 23:14.06 | stoned | zibri, weird |
| 23:14.08 | zibri | argh |
| 23:14.11 | stoned | I'm not gtk user I dunno |
| 23:14.11 | zibri | i found it |
| 23:14.12 | zibri | :D |
| 23:14.24 | stoned | Qt FTW! |
| 23:14.33 | zibri | the pencil next to the buttons unfolds the text input field |
| 23:14.41 | stoned | Qt# and php-qt! |
| 23:14.48 | zibri | argh.. i don't like neither |
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| 23:15.01 | stoned | I like KDE more betterly becasue of the interface |
| 23:15.17 | stoned | I think its a lot easier to use and more efficient than gtk2 file dialog design |
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| 23:15.19 | zibri | stoned: i like ion and awesome because of the interface |
| 23:15.30 | stoned | well everyone has a preference |
| 23:15.32 | stoned | :) |
| 23:15.34 | zibri | =) |
| 23:15.59 | aoeu3 | has anyone heard of charter resetting scp file transfers because they think they're p2p connections? |
| 23:16.10 | aoeu3 | when i ssh to my server, my connection gets killed literally every minute |
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| 23:16.42 | bigshot | \amethyst, i am getting this please see in #flood |
| 23:16.58 | \amethyst | bigshot: put it in a pastebin |
| 23:17.06 | \amethyst | bigshot: that's much easier to deal with than #flood |
| 23:17.20 | aoeu3 | it's like it's done on the clock |
| 23:17.43 | stew | aoeu3: have you asked them |
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| 23:18.01 | stew | aoeu3: have you tried tcpdump to see it is obvioulsy coming from them? |
| 23:18.10 | bigshot | \amethyst, i am getting this please see in #flood |
| 23:18.11 | stew | aoeu3: or maybe tried a non-standard port? |
| 23:18.16 | bigshot | ooopsd |
| 23:18.28 | bigshot | how much will i have to download to move to lenny? |
| 23:18.55 | \amethyst | bigshot: actually, now that I think about it, you don't need the -dev and -dbg packages... just libxrandr2_*.deb and xbacklight_*.deb |
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| 23:19.15 | bigshot | OK |
| 23:19.18 | \amethyst | bigshot: those are only necessary to build it... if your error is about one of those packages, try installing just the two |
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| 23:20.08 | \amethyst | bigshot: upgrading to lenny will involve downloading new versions of almost all installed packages, so it depends on how much you have installed---anywhere from a few hundred megs to several gigabytes |
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| 23:20.51 | aoeu3 | stew, nope, i havn't because i'm using neighbor's wifi, and they happen to use charter |
| 23:21.02 | aoeu3 | although when i get my own connection in a week with them, i'll be asking them |
| 23:21.21 | aoeu3 | this doesn't just happen with ssh. it's also happened with limewire. |
| 23:21.37 | aoeu3 | seems like it always only happens during the day time hours though, never at night |
| 23:21.37 | stew | aoeu3: have your neighbor call then |
| 23:21.45 | aoeu3 | lol i have no idea which neighbor it is |
| 23:22.02 | stew | uhh |
| 23:22.03 | adama_ | aoeu3: how about FTP? You could also setup your server to use an alternate ssh port like 222 |
| 23:22.08 | adama_ | lol |
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| 23:24.07 | node36 | hey |
| 23:24.08 | bigshot | \amethyst, u am getting this >> Downloads# xbacklight Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified Cannot open display ":0.0" |
| 23:24.23 | bigshot | s/u/I |
| 23:24.32 | node36 | does anyone know how to successfully rebrand a firefox browser? |
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| 23:24.56 | aoeu3 | maybe it's just rf interference that's causing this, and it never happens late at night because everyone's not browsing on wifi, using cordless phones, and microwaves |
| 23:25.09 | Guerin | node36: debian does this. Refer to the changelogs and diffs in the source package. |
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| 23:25.41 | node36 | yes guerin: i was wondering if anyone in here that worked on that, or knows the process i could talk to |
| 23:25.58 | \amethyst | bigshot: don't run it as root |
| 23:26.10 | \amethyst | bigshot: run it from the account that is in X, inside X |
| 23:26.27 | bigshot | k |
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| 23:26.43 | node36 | i need to rebrand a ff3 browser asap |
| 23:26.59 | abrotman | node36: debian uses iceweasel |
| 23:27.08 | node36 | if anyone wants to work on this with me, pls msg me |
| 23:27.10 | abrotman | node36: debian uses iceweasel |
| 23:27.21 | abrotman | node36: tried irc.mozilla.org ? |
| 23:27.37 | node36 | yes but i think i have to send a formal presentation |
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| 23:28.02 | abrotman | node36: and for which OS would you like to rebrand firefox ? |
| 23:28.14 | \amethyst | node36: apt-get source iceweasel and see how Debian does it (and what Debian doesn't do, like rename the binary) |
| 23:28.17 | node36 | windows and linux |
| 23:28.36 | node36 | ok amethyst |
| 23:28.41 | bigshot | \amethyst, i am getting this >>>> RandR version 1.1 too old |
| 23:28.53 | \amethyst | bigshot: then it won't work with your X server :( |
| 23:29.04 | \amethyst | bigshot: you have no choice but upgrade to lenny if you want xbacklight to work |
| 23:29.09 | stew | bigshot: what graphics card do you have? |
| 23:29.16 | bigshot | intel 965 |
| 23:29.19 | bigshot | integrated |
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| 23:29.54 | stew | then yeah, probably needs newer X server |
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| 23:30.02 | bigshot | will it work under gnome? i am using kde right now |
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| 23:30.25 | \amethyst | that won't affect whether or not it works |
| 23:30.30 | rbd_ | anyone know if one can make debs using "checkinstall" that can take in a "control" file (so that I can specify dependencies for the package) |
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| 23:31.05 | stew | rbd_: why not just build proper packages? |
| 23:31.09 | Guerin | rbd_: you can edit or replace the existing control file in a debian source package and checkinstall will never know the difference |
| 23:31.11 | \amethyst | rbd_: maybe --review-control will let you edit the generated control file? |
| 23:31.29 | \amethyst | rbd_: though, yeah, avoid checkinstall if you can |
| 23:31.33 | bigshot | \amethyst, is there any way to "dim" the screen in etchnhalf? |
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| 23:32.19 | stew | bigshot: what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel do you have installed? |
| 23:32.47 | bigshot | how to check that? |
| 23:33.11 | stoned | apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 23:33.24 | stoned | or apt-cache policy |
| 23:33.35 | stoned | rather |
| 23:33.58 | bigshot | Version: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 |
| 23:34.06 | \amethyst | bigshot: there is for Radeon, maybe Toshiba, Vaios, and (in backports) Macs |
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| 23:34.15 | stew | not for intel afaik |
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| 23:34.17 | \amethyst | bigshot: but not any general way that I am aware of |
| 23:35.22 | akurei | nacht! |
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| 23:35.55 | rbd_ | ok thanks guys |
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| 23:42.18 | mythomaniac | anyone here versed in dvtm here? |
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| 23:46.03 | Gigantic | I wonder if someone could test http://www.latinchat.com/ for me, it uses Java but it doesn't seem to be working for me anymore... wonder if having an 86_64 arch would be causing it to fail |
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| 23:51.22 | pobega | What's the simplest and easiest to use voice recorder available in the Debian repositories? |
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| 23:52.10 | stew | pobega: arecord filename |
| 23:53.40 | pobega | stew: Thanks. |
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| 23:57.13 | Garda | hey guys |
| 23:57.17 | Garda | i have a bit of a problem |
| 23:57.18 | octoserver | anyone here ever use raid 10 ? |
| 23:57.29 | Garda | all of my audio devices have just disappeared |
| 23:57.35 | octoserver | is it a lot faster that just raid 1? |
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| 23:59.57 | Garda | lspci -v |grep audio |
