| 00:00.00 | Garda | returns nothing |
| 00:00.38 | stew | Garda: you want lspci | grep -i multimedia |
| 00:00.44 | streuner | and you are sure soundcard isnt broken? |
| 00:00.53 | Garda | that returns nothing as well |
| 00:00.57 | streuner | or it doesnt plug into the mobo correctly? |
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| 00:01.16 | coddy | whats the difference between a terminal and a terminal emulator? |
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| 00:01.56 | streuner | Garda: same kernel than before? |
| 00:02.27 | rene- | guys where does sysctl lives in debian |
| 00:02.32 | Garda | yea, i literally hadn't touched anything and my sound just disappeared |
| 00:02.34 | rene- | mine doesnt appear to have one |
| 00:02.51 | rene- | sorry |
| 00:02.52 | rene- | found it |
| 00:03.00 | streuner | Garda: check out the soundcard, does it stick correctly in the mobo |
| 00:03.11 | Garda | it's onboard |
| 00:03.15 | Garda | is using a laptop |
| 00:03.24 | streuner | buh |
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| 00:03.55 | streuner | did you disable sound in BIOS? |
| 00:04.01 | Garda | no |
| 00:04.04 | Garda | that's just it |
| 00:04.10 | Garda | i was listening to something on vlc |
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| 00:04.19 | Garda | then in the middle of it, it just stops working |
| 00:04.32 | Garda | and now my sound device appears to have just disappeared |
| 00:07.00 | dkr | did you apply a kernel security update and not reboot yet? ;) |
| 00:07.31 | dkr | ...could case problems with kernel modules |
| 00:07.47 | dkr | maybe run alsaconf? |
| 00:07.50 | JyZyXEL | lol i always do that |
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| 00:08.02 | streuner | Garda:does a live CD work? |
| 00:08.05 | JyZyXEL | apply update and no reboot |
| 00:08.17 | JyZyXEL | thats how i roll! |
| 00:08.28 | Garda | streuner: i will check |
| 00:09.24 | supersoundguy | anyone know an easy way to convert man pages to LaTeX? |
| 00:10.20 | bhundven | supersoundguy: http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+man+to+latex |
| 00:10.22 | dkr | man2html | gnuhtml2latex |
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| 00:14.41 | dusted | Hi, do any of you know what it means when a package is in "freeze" ? |
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| 00:16.30 | dustybin | dusted: lenny has also been frozen, it means no more new stuff can be added, only bug / security fixes now |
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| 00:17.14 | dusted | dustybin, ahh like that, thank you! :P |
| 00:17.29 | dustybin | Number concerning the next release: 137 |
| 00:17.34 | dustybin | hmmm its going down :) |
| 00:17.53 | dustybin | 137 of the buggers left |
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| 00:18.05 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 00:18.13 | Gun_Smoke | I thought 36 critical were remaining for release? |
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| 00:18.26 | dustybin | dunno |
| 00:19.07 | dustybin | Total number of release-critical bugs: 1322 |
| 00:19.15 | dustybin | jeeeeeeeeeEEze |
| 00:19.35 | JyZyXEL | lol everyone is givin different numbers |
| 00:19.47 | dustybin | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 00:20.19 | Gun_Smoke | "36 release critical bugs remain to be solved for the release to happen." from http://www.debian.org/News/project/2008/16/ |
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| 00:21.40 | dustybin | Etch-and-a-half WTF is that? |
| 00:22.00 | Gun_Smoke | picked up a kernel update I believe... |
| 00:22.10 | SamuraiDio | i need some help with udev rules... i buied a ZTE MF622 usb modem, that has an atached usb storage device on it. with this rules: thttp://pastebin.com/f240def2e he modem works, but only on boot. i need it to be recognized when plugged in |
| 00:22.10 | RrodolfoS | hi, i have problems compiling, with the file asm/page.h, somebody know how solve it?? |
| 00:22.12 | dustybin | thats cheating |
| 00:22.48 | SamuraiDio | correcting: this rules: http://pastebin.com/f240def2e |
| 00:23.10 | Gun_Smoke | dustybin, http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 00:23.37 | RrodolfoS | or where find information about asm/page.h, for i386... |
| 00:23.49 | dustybin | how odd |
| 00:26.35 | rene- | hey guys my uploads stall with debian etch, what can i do? |
| 00:26.55 | adb | RrodolfoS: pt-file search asm/page.h |
| 00:27.02 | adb | RrodolfoS: *apt-file search asm/page.h |
| 00:27.30 | RrodolfoS | adb, i try to compile systemimager to create a deb, and fail for the file asm/page.h, is not include in the kernel headers |
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| 00:31.57 | hospos | I have debian as a guest os under vmware server, is there a special kernel I should install onto it to make it run better on vmware-server? |
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| 00:32.49 | Garda | streuner: i tried knoppix |
| 00:32.53 | Garda | sound works fine |
| 00:33.08 | Garda | does anyone know how to get linux to autoprobe again |
| 00:33.12 | Garda | for sound devices |
| 00:33.14 | streuner | good, now we know that hardware is ok |
| 00:33.20 | streuner | alsaconf |
| 00:33.34 | streuner | do you use GNOME or KDE? |
| 00:33.38 | Garda | GNOME |
| 00:33.52 | streuner | hm, its ESD then what you are using prolly... |
| 00:34.21 | streuner | just disable ESD and run "alsaconf" (aptitude install alsa-utils) |
| 00:34.47 | Garda | what's ESD? |
| 00:35.06 | streuner | !esd |
| 00:35.06 | dpkg | esd is probably the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 00:35.44 | Garda | well, i didn't disable ESD |
| 00:35.48 | Garda | just ran alsaconf |
| 00:35.51 | Garda | and sound is back |
| 00:35.55 | dkr | I second running alsoconf. well, third, since I reommended it a half hour ago. :) |
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| 00:36.17 | Garda | dkr: oh yea, you did |
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| 00:36.27 | Garda | looked back at chat logs |
| 00:36.30 | Garda | sorry, i missed it |
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| 00:36.53 | dkr | just glad you got it working. it is a bit weird how it stops mysteriously though |
| 00:37.10 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I like to remove unused modules ... is the best way to do this to, for example, add "rmmod pcspkr" to rc.local, then add "blacklist pcspkr" to '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist'? |
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| 00:37.47 | oOarthurOo | Another way would be to physically move the ko file, but upon kernel updates that would be restored I think. |
| 00:37.51 | dkr | if it's blacklisted it won't be loaded in the first place so no need to rmmod |
| 00:37.54 | ham5 | would a 'dpkg --get-selections' work, going from 64bit to 32? |
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| 00:38.28 | oOarthurOo | dkr: I think blacklisting just prevents stuff like hal from loading modules, upon reloading things, maybe resuming from suspend, etc. |
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| 00:39.43 | dkr | oOarthurOo: I could be wrong |
| 00:41.11 | adb | ham5: mostly not , but not tried |
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| 00:44.24 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.28 | Gigantic | !when |
| 00:44.28 | dpkg | Now! |
| 00:44.36 | Gigantic | !now? |
| 00:44.36 | dpkg | well, now is network of workstations,see progeny |
| 00:44.47 | Gigantic | slaps dpkg |
| 00:45.13 | KDE4000 | !progeny |
| 00:45.13 | dpkg | progeny is, like, Debian-based GNU/Linux distribution company specializing in custom packaging. http://www.progeny.com/, or see progeny installer, or http://componentizedlinux.org/progeny/ |
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| 00:46.40 | enouf | !spank Gigantic |
| 00:46.41 | dpkg | bends Gigantic over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 00:47.00 | enouf | Gigantic: /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 00:47.20 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 00:47.21 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 00:47.27 | Guerin | ^ same applies to lenny |
| 00:47.31 | Guerin | incidentally |
| 00:47.34 | Guerin | !sing lenny |
| 00:47.47 | enouf | !sing squeeze |
| 00:47.52 | oOarthurOo | dkr: Yeah... just read the section on kernel modules in the debian manual and the modprobe.d/blacklist prevents udev from automatically loading a module. But there is a separate process I think during the boot stage that will still load modules even if they are blacklisted. |
| 00:47.58 | stew | !no progeny is a now defunct company which was founded by debian founder Ian Murdock which once specialized in custom packaging of debian. |
| 00:47.59 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 00:48.15 | Gigantic | let's see... am I fkd or not? I have two encrypted partitions /tmp and /Data, another Linux mounted them wrongly, and mounted tmp over /Data... now I can't mount /Data again... am I fkd? =\ |
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| 00:48.37 | ConX | Hello all! |
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| 00:49.36 | enouf | Gigantic: umount them |
| 00:49.41 | ConX | I am looking for a way to autostart a script on startup as user (not as root). Can anyone help me? |
| 00:49.54 | enouf | ConX: rc.local |
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| 00:50.28 | Gun_Smoke | what am I doing wrong with vsftp? I can brows the directories with iceweasle, but if I try to download one I get the error 550 failed to change directory. This only happens with the pdf's.. If I try with a tar.bz2 I get the normal "you have chose to open". I'm not even able to right click a pdf and save link as.. |
| 00:50.42 | Gigantic | enouf: umounted, then on remount I don't get a passwd prompt but instead I just see the data usually found in /tmp |
| 00:51.34 | Tramp | ConX: man 5 crontab, search for reboot |
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| 00:51.40 | oOarthurOo | Do you think if I move the problematic modules, or rename them, like 'mv pcspkr.ko pcsokr.ko.disabled' then update the initrd image, that would prevent them from being loaded in the first place? |
| 00:51.51 | abrotman | just blacklist it |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | !tell ConX about run at startup |
| 00:52.13 | Garda | if a package has a bug, and it has its own bug tracking system, should i submit the bug using reportbug, or should i report it using the bug tool of the people who actually create the software? |
| 00:52.19 | enouf | oOarthurOo: that's stupid |
| 00:52.38 | oOarthurOo | abrotman: I blacklist e100, but it is still loaded when I look at lsmod. |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | blacklisted how ? |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | !tell oOarthurOo about blacklist |
| 00:52.55 | oOarthurOo | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | !tell oOarthurOo about blacklist-initramfs |
| 00:53.00 | oOarthurOo | ah! |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | indeed! |
| 00:53.19 | oOarthurOo | thanks abrotman that's what I was looking for. |
| 00:53.27 | abrotman | that's why i gave it to you! |
| 00:53.31 | oOarthurOo | The debian way to do it. Not my own way. Aka, the stupid way. |
| 00:54.31 | Gigantic | enouf: pheW!!!! nvm, my fstab was wrong :) |
| 00:54.38 | ConX | I am checking of what you told me. Thanks |
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| 00:54.59 | abrotman | oOarthurOo: not really, just different methods for different goals |
| 00:55.24 | enouf | Gigantic: yes, i know, some people just need to be left alone .. until their brain starts working again |
| 00:55.43 | Gigantic | enouf: lol |
| 00:56.53 | oOarthurOo | Oh and apologies to you dkr ... you were correct I was simply not updating my initramfs image |
| 00:57.05 | oOarthurOo | And misunderstanding the debian manual |
| 00:57.30 | enouf | oOarthurOo: note, the existance of a stupid, non-debian /etc/modules.conf file will supercede whatever you think you are blacklisting |
| 00:57.43 | enouf | oOarthurOo: hence the silliness and stupidity |
| 00:57.46 | ConX | I think the solution using crontab is the best |
| 00:57.46 | zinx | hmm strange, i thought make-kpkg generates packages that automagically update initramfs |
| 00:57.52 | oOarthurOo | enouf: I don't follow you. |
| 00:57.58 | enouf | oOarthurOo: don't try |
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| 00:58.23 | oOarthurOo | enouf: I think you may be under the impression I'm not running debian? |
| 00:58.43 | enouf | oOarthurOo: nobody running Debian needs to blacklist their pcspkr in their initrd |
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| 00:59.08 | ConX | with rc.local how does the system know as which user will run the script |
| 00:59.18 | ConX | ? |
| 00:59.20 | enouf | ConX: the one that logs in |
| 00:59.27 | Guerin | ConX: it runs the script as root unless the script specifies otherwise. |
| 00:59.29 | zinx | ConX: with rc.local, it's run as root |
| 00:59.35 | oOarthurOo | enouf: It's a good thing nobody running debian would need to use an example... when instead they want to remove unused acpi_cpufreq modules, network modules, psmouse... etc. |
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| 01:00.03 | enouf | oOarthurOo: yes, take your ubuntu-ness and get lost |
| 01:00.04 | ConX | i would like to run it as simple user (not root) |
| 01:00.18 | oOarthurOo | enouf: Take your medication. |
| 01:00.22 | enouf | ConX: then, add it to your DE env. startup |
| 01:00.24 | Guerin | ConX: so write your script thus. |
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| 01:00.43 | Guerin | oOarthurOo: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 01:00.47 | enouf | oOarthurOo: how about you size up my package and not get scared? |
| 01:00.57 | ConX | how can I specify as which user my script should run? |
| 01:00.58 | zinx | ConX: you probably shouldn't be putting it in rc.local |
| 01:00.59 | adama_ | why is mke2fs taking so bloody long... 137/1193 writing inode tables |
| 01:01.16 | zinx | ConX: you can put it in the user's profile, desktop session, crontab, or possibly other places |
| 01:01.20 | oOarthurOo | Thanks Guerin .. abrotman already got me the needed info. I'm just here for the abuse now. |
| 01:01.23 | beardy | Catching a train? |
| 01:01.26 | enouf | !xsession |
| 01:01.26 | dpkg | i heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 01:01.34 | ConX | enouf: I dont have De env. |
| 01:01.36 | adama_ | it's been 20 minutes |
| 01:01.40 | zinx | ConX: depending on what you want to do, one will make more sense than the others :/ |
| 01:01.41 | neoice | is there a good way to map key-combos to other keys, like to get PGUP/PGDN on a laptop keyboard? |
| 01:01.44 | Guerin | ConX: if you have to ask, it's possibly best you follow enouf's sterling advice |
| 01:01.45 | enouf | see what dpkg said then |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | enouf: do you always have to be so foul? |
| 01:02.06 | enouf | likes chickens? |
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| 01:02.30 | gravity | That joke failz when you can read the word |
| 01:02.58 | Gigantic | now I wonder if you can change the crypto used in the partition, think it uses an outdated twofish192 |
| 01:03.51 | ConX | I think I will follow the crontab solution. It's easy ;) |
| 01:03.58 | ConX | Thank you all for your help |
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| 01:04.27 | Tramp | Gigantic: what makes you think twofish is outdated? |
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| 01:04.52 | Gigantic | Tramp: not the cipher but the length |
| 01:05.01 | Guerin | Tramp: because encryption algorithms are like OS versions - they have to be thrown out and replaced with new and untested ones every few years! |
| 01:05.06 | Tramp | Gigantic: nonsense |
| 01:05.18 | dkr | Crypt::Rijndael++ |
| 01:05.39 | Gigantic | Tramp: bruteforce means something to ya? |
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| 01:06.17 | Tramp | Gigantic: yes |
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| 01:07.23 | enouf | Hash function used to sort names: "rupasov" |
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| 01:14.15 | Gigantic | wonders what XP uses to encrypt stuff |
| 01:14.20 | octoserver | how do i stop and restart nfs server? or get it to remount the directory in exports ? |
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| 01:14.44 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:15.20 | octoserver | i tryed that for stop, but hmm, i must have typed wrong ? |
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| 01:15.52 | octoserver | no file |
| 01:16.00 | octoserver | i didnt see a script there called nfs |
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| 01:17.02 | octoserver | i have nfs-common, and nfs-kernel |
| 01:17.15 | octoserver | nfs-kernel-server* |
| 01:17.17 | Gigantic | shot that |
| 01:17.26 | octoserver | is it nfs-common ? |
| 01:17.39 | Gigantic | not sure, just try won't harm |
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| 01:18.10 | Gigantic | it was /etc/init.d/nfs-server I think... haven't used nfs in a while |
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| 01:19.30 | oOarthurOo | Thanks abrotman ... worked a treat after updating initramfs... saved 8MB removing a bunch of them... probably biggest saving was ipv6 |
| 01:19.31 | octoserver | ok, running nfs-common started statd and idmapd |
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| 01:20.15 | octoserver | ok, running nfs-kernel-server started mountd and nfsd |
| 01:20.39 | octoserver | kernel-server also looked in the exports file so i guess i needed both of them |
| 01:21.15 | Decepticon | i have a RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI wifi card with kernel driver/module in use: rt61pci .... it used to be able to find my network and connect to it and use the internet, but i did some upgrades via the software updates manager or what have you and now my wifi card cannot detect ANY wifi networks. please advise |
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| 01:22.47 | Gigantic | omg I've got a virus |
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| 01:24.12 | Gigantic | flu... |
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| 01:31.55 | Decepticon | i have a RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI wifi card with kernel driver/module in use: rt61pci .... it used to be able to find my network and connect to it and use the internet, but i did some upgrades via the software updates manager or what have you and now my wifi card cannot detect ANY wifi networks. please advise |
| 01:32.36 | mns | What is a good application / set of applications to creat a drawing of my house so that I can pass it around to architects/interior designers/etc. ? |
| 01:32.48 | Gigantic | Decepticon: is the module stil loaded? |
| 01:32.56 | Decepticon | Gigantic how to check |
| 01:33.09 | Gigantic | Decepticon: lsmod | less |
| 01:33.14 | abrotman | mns: depends how in depth you want to get |
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| 01:34.06 | Decepticon | Gigantic it seems so. http://decepticon.rlogin.org/~decepticon/paste/lsmod.log |
| 01:34.09 | kolpur | in my system i'm unable to access Users and Groups as superuser |
| 01:34.09 | mns | abrotman: what are the options, regardless of depth ? |
| 01:34.17 | kolpur | what would be the problem ? |
| 01:34.21 | Gigantic | mns: an easy and simple one is sweethome |
| 01:34.25 | abrotman | mns: depth does matter .. do you want simple drawings or more like CAD ? |
| 01:34.57 | mns | I guess simple drawings to start with, probably CAD down the line. |
| 01:35.19 | mns | Gigantic: is it open source ? or commerical ? |
| 01:35.21 | Gigantic | Decepticon: is the card internal or usb? |
| 01:35.29 | Decepticon | Gigantic it is pci |
| 01:35.30 | Gigantic | mns: opensource |
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| 01:36.39 | heiner | I installed a package using "apt-get install" - how can I find the host the package came from? |
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| 01:36.54 | Gigantic | Decepticon: uhm, hwinfo --netcard |
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| 01:37.19 | newsense | heiner, apt-cache policy package |
| 01:37.21 | Gigantic | Decepticon: hwinfo --wlan |
| 01:37.29 | Decepticon | one sec, i do not have hwinfo |
| 01:37.38 | heiner | newsense: it worked, thanks |
| 01:37.44 | newsense | no problem |
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| 01:38.09 | amphi | Decepticon: lspci | grep Network should show it |
| 01:38.32 | mns | wonder why sweethome is not in Debian repository then. |
| 01:38.38 | Gigantic | abrotman: do you know a prof level oss cad? |
| 01:38.52 | BrunoCabraL | Why cant I connect to my linux share (samba) from windows pcs? (I can connect to windows share from the samba) |
| 01:38.52 | Gigantic | the best I know is qcad |
| 01:38.56 | abrotman | qcad is the only one i know of off the top of my head |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | ISTR anohter |
| 01:39.35 | mns | istr ? |
| 01:39.39 | Decepticon | Gigantic: hwinfo --netcard: http://decepticon.rlogin.org/~decepticon/paste/hwinfo.netcard.log |
| 01:39.52 | Decepticon | Gigantic: hwinfo --wlan: http://decepticon.rlogin.org/~decepticon/paste/hwinfo.wlan.log |
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| 01:40.08 | Decepticon | Gigantic: lspci: http://decepticon.rlogin.org/~decepticon/paste/lspci.log |
| 01:40.37 | Decepticon | it says Driver Status: rt61pci is active |
| 01:40.41 | Gigantic | abrotman: aye |
| 01:41.16 | mns | abrotman: what's ISTR ? |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | i seem to recall |
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| 01:42.22 | mns | oh ... lol .. that explains why I got nothing good in the "apt-cache search istr" results .. |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | brl-cad maybe |
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| 01:44.02 | Gigantic | Decepticon: how do you use to connect? |
| 01:44.20 | Decepticon | Gigantic i have a working eth0 |
| 01:44.23 | Decepticon | and another computer |
| 01:45.31 | Gigantic | ah sorry.. that's not a wlan |
| 01:45.49 | Gigantic | ok then just restart network... what does it say? |
| 01:45.54 | mns | abrotman: yeah that is there but that might be too much for me. I'm not sure if I want to do 3-D modelling yet. Also, it is available for 64-bits only (IA64 and AMD64) |
| 01:46.06 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.14 | Gigantic | dclient eth0 |
| 01:46.32 | Gigantic | *dhclient |
| 01:46.43 | mns | speaking of 64-bit stuff, how do I tell if I can run 64-bit kernel on my hardware or not. |
| 01:47.30 | Gigantic | Decepticon: also: rt2400 |
| 01:47.40 | Gigantic | ack... modprobe rt2400 |
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| 01:49.22 | Decepticon | decepticon@decepticon:~/bin$ sudo modprobe rt2400 |
| 01:49.23 | Decepticon | FATAL: Module rt2400 not found. |
| 01:49.31 | Decepticon | Gigantic maybe rt61? |
| 01:49.38 | Decepticon | Gigantic or rt2561? |
| 01:50.00 | Gigantic | Decepticon: that is already loaded, I was reading at a thread where it say they are linked |
| 01:50.19 | Gigantic | http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTOS |
| 01:50.28 | Decepticon | do not think rt2400 was part of my set up afair |
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| 01:50.34 | Decepticon | but i could be wrong |
| 01:50.56 | Decepticon | if its not found, it means i didnt install it, and i had it working before i did the software updates |
| 01:51.02 | Gigantic | is that a wlan or a eth? |
| 01:51.31 | Decepticon | which? |
| 01:51.35 | Gigantic | if wlan, then how do you connect |
| 01:51.45 | Gigantic | your card |
| 01:51.56 | Decepticon | when wlan used to work, i would use network manager on gnome |
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| 01:52.04 | Decepticon | via scan of wifi networks |
| 01:52.13 | Decepticon | and entry of wep/wpa key |
| 01:52.32 | Decepticon | now network manager does not give any wlan during scan |
| 01:52.51 | Gigantic | ifconfig eth-wifi up |
| 01:53.10 | Gigantic | also if you updated the kenel u've to reboot |
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| 01:54.31 | Gigantic | Decepticon: this is for another card but has a nice automatation for wlan in general: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
| 01:54.50 | Gigantic | or reboot until it work |
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| 01:54.55 | aghaster | Hi |
| 01:55.14 | Decepticon | rebooted a bunch of times.. |
| 01:55.37 | rene- | hehe reboot until work |
| 01:55.56 | rene- | reminds me of certain other operative system |
| 01:56.00 | Decepticon | eth-wifi: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 01:56.01 | aghaster | I want to remotely connect to my sun server using XDMCP. It does work fine when I click "run the XDMCP chooser" in gdm, but the XDCMP chooser always scans the network for possible hosts |
| 01:56.05 | Gigantic | Decepticon: heh :) try the iwpriv thing |
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| 01:56.19 | aghaster | how can I avoid that, and manually specify the IP? |
| 01:56.22 | Decepticon | iwpriv? |
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| 01:56.35 | Gigantic | Decepticon: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
| 01:56.40 | Decepticon | hm ok |
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| 01:56.57 | Gigantic | Decepticon: I would recompile the module before, but that's just me |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | aghaster: man gdm .. no mention ? |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | doesn't see one |
| 01:58.44 | Gigantic | hands http://linux.die.net/man/1/gdm |
| 01:59.31 | aghaster | nope, no mention |
| 01:59.43 | aghaster | I'm trying to configure that in gdmsetup at the moment |
| 01:59.59 | aghaster | there is an option to add a menu item for XDMCP, which is already there |
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| 02:00.11 | aghaster | but that runs the XDMCP chooser which always scans the network |
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| 02:00.38 | abrotman | cazn't just run X directly against it ? |
| 02:00.58 | PinkFreud | -query |
| 02:01.05 | Gigantic | what, no vnc? |
| 02:01.13 | PinkFreud | X -query hostname |
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| 02:09.52 | adomas | if someone needs professional debian based support (incl. ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, baltix) please PM me, I have spare time to help |
| 02:09.55 | dvs | Please don't tell me the next release is going to be called "britney" |
| 02:10.05 | adomas | rofl, britney? :D |
| 02:10.15 | stdisease | gimme gimme |
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| 02:11.45 | abrotman | adomas: go away .. stop spamming |
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| 02:11.52 | octoserver | how do i get the bot to show me release date or remaining buds ? |
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| 02:12.16 | abrotman | there is no release date |
| 02:12.25 | stew | dvs: britney does happen to be name of the script which is responsible for adding and removing packages from testing. it would not be used as a release name |
| 02:12.37 | stew | octoserver: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 02:12.37 | dvs | phew! |
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| 02:13.01 | adomas | I dont spam. |
| 02:13.05 | adomas | and dont tell me where to go :P |
| 02:13.07 | octoserver | :) thanks |
| 02:13.37 | Gigantic | !lenny nao |
| 02:14.36 | octoserver | lol, it will be a while it seems |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | adomas: not here .. this channel is for Debian support .. try the channels for the distros you just spammed about or ##linux |
| 02:14.49 | stew | adomas: this is not a forum for advertising professional services. it is a forum where volunteers provide end-user support for debian. if you think you can be a helpful volunteer here, please feel free, otherwise plese move on |
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| 02:15.07 | abrotman | oh .. i didn't even see the professional bit .. yes it's spamming |
| 02:15.08 | octoserver | i guess there is no need to want the release if I already am using lenny right? |
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| 02:16.17 | octoserver | i make professional scrambled eggs if anyone wants any |
| 02:16.18 | Gigantic | touches his nose |
| 02:16.28 | Gigantic | with the tip of his finger |
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| 02:16.30 | adomas | I am a volunteer for supporting debian plus debian-based distros |
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| 02:16.40 | adomas | I just want to help people, because I have a spare night |
| 02:16.43 | abrotman | adomas: then answer questions, not spam |
| 02:16.52 | PinkFreud | octoserver: might I suggest joining a professional scrambled eggs channel, then? |
| 02:16.55 | PinkFreud | ducks |
| 02:17.02 | octoserver | lol |
| 02:17.22 | adomas | ok, sorry |
| 02:17.23 | adomas | new to IRC |
| 02:17.23 | adomas | used to jabber |
| 02:17.23 | octoserver | but then I would be spamming that channel :) |
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| 02:17.43 | PinkFreud | octoserver: hardly. you'd be right on topic. :P |
| 02:17.45 | adomas | octoserver: I want some |
| 02:17.48 | adomas | come to lithuania |
| 02:17.49 | adomas | :) |
| 02:17.49 | octoserver | adomas: if you want to help, then sit in here and answer someones questions whewn they ask |
| 02:17.56 | adomas | ok ok |
| 02:18.11 | adomas | really I just want to help people and not pi** them off |
| 02:18.20 | abrotman | you're failing |
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| 02:18.49 | adomas | I am not into communicating with people, I am developer :) |
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| 02:19.00 | adomas | just I am learning to have conversations |
| 02:19.02 | adomas | I have no life |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:19.04 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:19.08 | adomas | is there off topic channel? |
| 02:19.12 | adomas | oh yes. sorry |
| 02:19.46 | Gigantic | leave the guy alone |
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| 02:20.45 | abrotman | Gigantic: you can go to #debian-offtopic and chat with him all you want |
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| 02:20.53 | octoserver | lol |
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| 02:21.37 | Gigantic | pretends to be listening to an angelical voice in his head |
| 02:21.53 | Zopia1 | my cd drive/disk isnt being recognized.... anyone help? |
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| 02:22.25 | abrotman | apostle: please do not msg me |
| 02:22.29 | Zopia1 | i can go to the Computer in the file browser and it shows CD-ROM Drive |
| 02:23.01 | Zopia1 | if i try to open the drive (with a blank disk in it) it tels me that it cannot mount the selected volume |
| 02:23.15 | Gigantic | Zopia1: because it is blank |
| 02:23.20 | Zopia1 | well |
| 02:23.36 | Zopia1 | and when trying to burn an .iso brasero isnt detecting it |
| 02:23.56 | abrotman | apostle: not trying to be mean .. i understand your concern, but seems to have been dealt with |
| 02:24.00 | Gigantic | tried another cd? |
| 02:24.15 | apostle | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:24.30 | Zopia1 | not sure i have another cd |
| 02:25.05 | Zopia1 | ah i got one, but again it shows nothing |
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| 02:25.50 | Zopia1 | tells me to select a drive to write to, but doesnt give me an option for a drive, and says "The image will be saved to (null)" |
| 02:26.40 | Gigantic | Zopia1: what wodim say? |
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| 02:26.58 | Gigantic | Zopia1: if you put a cd with data on it, is it detected? |
| 02:27.18 | Zopia1 | "Quickly guessing the name of a drive capable to write CD-R, please wait... |
| 02:27.18 | Zopia1 | Unable to guess the target drive. Please specify manually using |
| 02:27.18 | Zopia1 | dev=... argument or other configuration methods, see wodim(1) for details. |
| 02:27.18 | Zopia1 | wodim: No tracks specified. Need at least one. |
| 02:27.18 | Zopia1 | " |
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| 02:27.41 | Gigantic | gg |
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| 02:35.50 | Metatron | when i plug a camera into the usb port, i get a window titled "Camera Import" with not settings and option to ignore to add pictures to album....WHAT app is ths and where is it trying to put pictures and how can i configure it? |
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| 02:36.34 | zinx | probably gtkam or gphoto2 or something |
| 02:37.03 | Gigantic | ps -A when it pop up |
| 02:37.14 | Metatron | i dont think ive added any such programs, it seems its a deafult in etch |
| 02:37.19 | \amethyst | Metatron: you can change that in gnome-volume-propeties |
| 02:37.21 | Gigantic | tho, probably it's a demon |
| 02:37.24 | \amethyst | Metatron: (if it's Gnome) |
| 02:37.42 | Metatron | volume for pictures? |
| 02:37.48 | \amethyst | Metatron: that's where to set what to do when various things are plugged in |
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| 02:38.03 | \amethyst | Metatron: it's "Removable Drives and Media Preferences" in the control center |
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| 02:39.04 | \amethyst | Metatron: the binary is called gnome-volume-properties for what are perhaps silly reasons |
| 02:39.20 | \amethyst | has nothing to do with sound volume |
| 02:40.18 | Metatron | ok its not a removable drive, its a camera....small disticntion but os's seem to handle it diffrenlty, im pullng up control center |
| 02:41.38 | Metatron | alright its trying to run gthumb but i dont have it |
| 02:43.36 | Metatron | i guess the folder structuer on the cameras memmory makes apps treat it diffrently\ |
| 02:44.00 | Metatron | than just a memory stick |
| 02:45.04 | Metatron | how can there be so many ppl in a room and so little chat? strange |
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| 02:47.57 | swankier | how is php compiled in debian? |
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| 02:48.07 | swankier | there is no "Configure Command" in the phpinfo() output |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | swankier: get the source package and look .. are you looking for something specifically ? |
| 02:51.15 | swankier | yes, I'm trying to see the differences between two systems. |
| 02:51.31 | swankier | where in the source package would it be defined? |
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| 02:52.08 | scientes | i have root as nfs and i keep getting out of disk space errors |
| 02:52.13 | scientes | but i can create files |
| 02:52.17 | scientes | and there is plenty of space |
| 02:52.22 | scientes | and im not swuashing root |
| 02:52.46 | swankier | scientes: out of space on root? or elsewhere? |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | swankier: the debian/rules file |
| 02:52.53 | scientes | when i do apt |
| 02:52.58 | swankier | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:53.06 | scientes | dpkg exits with seg fault |
| 02:53.06 | dpkg | i don't know, scientes |
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| 02:53.28 | swankier | abrotman: do you have other directories, like /tmp mounted? type mount on the command line |
| 02:53.39 | swankier | check if each one of the filesystems are full |
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| 02:53.53 | abrotman | swankier: yeah i have a /tmp/ |
| 02:54.00 | swankier | is it full? |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | swankier: but i bet you wanted to ask scientes |
| 02:54.26 | scientes | i only have proc mounted |
| 02:54.30 | swankier | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 02:54.34 | scientes | and other stuff mounted itsself |
| 02:54.41 | scientes | when i booted there was no fstab |
| 02:56.20 | swankier | hmm, then I'm afraid I don't know |
| 02:56.27 | swankier | if all of your mounts have space, I am confused. |
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| 02:57.59 | mns | Can I run a 64-bit kernel on a Core Duo processor ? Its a T2600 according to /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:58.09 | scientes | mns, yes |
| 02:58.10 | oOarthurOo | I have a separate data partition... owned by root, with a folder on it owned by my user. I put all my stuff (docs, music, pictures) on this partition and ln -s to my home folder. The problem is that I can't send anything to the trash. My guess is that trash is located at the root of the partition, and I don't have write permission? Under gnome the users trash has moved to something like /local/config/trash... iirc. Any ideas abo |
| 02:59.15 | mns | scientes: you reckon I'll get better performance with that instead of the 686 kernel ? not that its bad with the 686 version. |
| 02:59.26 | stew | oOarthurOo: show us the output of "ls -ld /path/to/diretory" for the directory you are trying to remove files from |
| 02:59.56 | scientes | mns, if you have x64 install a x64 kernel, it is fully backward compadible for everything but 16-bit (you dont need that) and 320bit drivers |
| 03:00.08 | \amethyst | yes, the trash is generally under the root of the filesystem |
| 03:00.27 | oOarthurOo | drwx--x--x 9 arthur arthur 4096 2008-12-16 14:27 /data/arthur |
| 03:00.49 | oOarthurOo | the command was "ls -ld /data/arthur" |
| 03:00.51 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: maybe /data/.Trash or something like that? |
| 03:01.02 | stew | oOarthurOo: ok, assuming you are arthur, you shouldn't have problems removing from there |
| 03:01.13 | stew | \amethyst: oh, is the trash not somewhere in ~ ? |
| 03:01.16 | stew | (i have no idea) |
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| 03:01.54 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 03:01.59 | mns | scientes: not sure how to tell if it is x64 or not. I was just about to ask about IA-64 vs. AMD64 |
| 03:02.02 | Element14 | scientes: what's the precise error? |
| 03:02.02 | oOarthurOo | This is the output of "ls -a" from /data ". .. lost+found arthur" |
| 03:02.45 | \amethyst | the reason it's not trying to use your trash under ~ is that it's a separate filesystem |
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| 03:03.08 | oOarthurOo | \amethyst: Yup.. that's the basic problem I'm looking at. |
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| 03:03.32 | mns | and then I'll have to see if all the Java based apps I've got will work correctly. I don't think it should be a problem. I hope not. |
| 03:04.03 | oOarthurOo | mns: Core duo isn't 64... core 2 duo is... at least... I thought I heard someone seen that somewhere one time |
| 03:04.25 | scientes | Element14, im goin to rebuild my initramfs the right way |
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| 03:05.05 | mns | oOarthurOo: ok. I have core duo |
| 03:05.07 | mns | :( |
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| 03:12.02 | macjason0607 | help http://paste.ubuntu.com/86005/ |
| 03:12.23 | amphi | mns_: IIRC, 'lm' in the flags in /proc/cpuinfo indicates 64 bitness |
| 03:13.15 | mns | amphi: cool. that isn't there. so guess its not 64-bit |
| 03:13.19 | nullboy | macjason0607: you format partitions, not block devices |
| 03:14.28 | apostle | Is 64 Bit much faster then 32 bit? |
| 03:14.30 | macjason0607 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/86739/ |
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| 03:15.23 | nullboy | macjason0607: did you listen to what it said to do? |
| 03:15.25 | stew | apostle: its a little fsater for certain operations made to make use of them. 64 bit apps will use more memory, and having less memory in general will make your overall performance degrade. so it really depends on what specifically you are doing |
| 03:15.41 | macjason0607 | nullboy, that paste bin was before you said something |
| 03:15.46 | nullboy | macjason0607: "The new table will be used at the next reboot." |
| 03:15.47 | macjason0607 | nullboy, i just want to format the external hd |
| 03:15.48 | apostle | stew, thanks |
| 03:15.53 | macjason0607 | oh ok |
| 03:15.55 | macjason0607 | so reboot nullboy ? |
| 03:15.58 | nullboy | .... |
| 03:16.28 | mns | plots out how to get a new laptop that has core2 duo on it ... |
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| 03:19.57 | Gnurdux | hmm is there a way faster than scp to send files over a network? |
| 03:20.02 | Gnurdux | like is sftp faster? |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | like .. netcat! |
| 03:20.40 | Gnurdux | this is *many* nested directories |
| 03:20.46 | Gnurdux | i have a feeling scp -r is really stupid |
| 03:20.52 | abrotman | rsync ? |
| 03:20.54 | Element14 | rsync? |
| 03:20.59 | Element14 | :-/ |
| 03:21.05 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 03:21.05 | abrotman | scp a big tarbal! |
| 03:21.11 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 03:21.13 | Gnurdux | not a terrible idea |
| 03:21.19 | Gnurdux | except |
| 03:21.25 | Gnurdux | this computer has a slow fucking cpu |
| 03:21.28 | Element14 | i actually do pipe tar into netcat and receive it on the other end |
| 03:21.43 | Gnurdux | wow... well would sftp be faster than scp though? |
| 03:21.50 | Gnurdux | i know secure is stupid over a LAN |
| 03:21.58 | Gnurdux | but i have that working now |
| 03:23.01 | stew | Gnurdux: no, sftp should be any faster or slower |
| 03:23.07 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 03:23.18 | Gnurdux | maybe ishould make a big tarball |
| 03:23.32 | Gnurdux | would that improve performance? |
| 03:23.40 | Gnurdux | (un gzipped tarball) |
| 03:23.43 | Element14 | depends on what performance you want to improve. |
| 03:23.53 | Gnurdux | this is an entire home directory |
| 03:23.57 | Element14 | tarball limits the protocol overhead |
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| 03:24.07 | Gnurdux | i want the data to transfer faster |
| 03:24.09 | Element14 | unencrypted connection limits the cpu overhead |
| 03:24.11 | Gnurdux | whatever can achieve that |
| 03:24.16 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 03:24.21 | Gnurdux | so both would be even better |
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| 03:24.25 | Gnurdux | so pipe tar into netcat i suppose |
| 03:24.39 | Element14 | if you know what you're doing then i think that's the fastest ;-p |
| 03:24.47 | Gnurdux | except one of the reasons i want a fresh install on the puter im recovering from is that i cant install stuff |
| 03:24.52 | Gnurdux | somehow i doubt it has netcat by default |
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| 03:25.18 | Element14 | well.... plain ftp? |
| 03:25.24 | Gnurdux | (this is my sister's hp mini-note 2133; default linux system is crap, they never even tested it) |
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| 03:26.08 | Gnurdux | ill try just making a tar |
| 03:26.10 | Gnurdux | see if it goes faster |
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| 03:27.18 | mns | What's a good virtualisation package to use ? Xen ? Qemu ? VMWare ? I'd like to make use of my laptop and try out various OS's like NetBSD, OpenSolaris, of course Debian. |
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| 03:27.47 | nullboy | if you have the hardware support, KVM is awesome |
| 03:27.59 | mns | and any good pointers to some beginer type articles for virtualisation ? |
| 03:28.13 | mns | nullboy: what sort of hardware support does it require ? |
| 03:28.15 | Gnurdux | would tar * get hidden dirs by default? |
| 03:28.23 | Gnurdux | if not, how would i change it to? |
| 03:28.30 | nullboy | mns: needs a cup with virtualization support |
| 03:28.33 | nullboy | CPU* |
| 03:28.51 | mns | nullboy: all I got is a Core Duo. |
| 03:29.02 | mns | and a PowerPC G4 |
| 03:29.28 | nullboy | mns: core duo supports it |
| 03:29.40 | nullboy | that's what i use too |
| 03:30.02 | nullboy | mns: cat /proc/cupinfo | grep vmx |
| 03:30.22 | mns | Gnurdux: where are you doing the tar in ? If you do tar /path/to/dir it willl include hidden files as well .. |
| 03:30.26 | apostle | How about acouple of Screenshots on the Debian main website? |
| 03:30.54 | mns | nullboy: yay !! I've got it :) |
| 03:31.00 | nullboy | ;) |
| 03:31.22 | mns | nullboy: any pointers to KVM articles or refrences that I can use to get me started ? |
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| 03:31.49 | TraceGreen | Hello, are there patch for bootsplash of 2.6.27? |
| 03:31.49 | mns | why the heck do I have mono installed on my system ? must investigate that .. |
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| 03:31.56 | Gnurdux | so tar * wont? |
| 03:32.03 | Gnurdux | tar . would i suppose |
| 03:32.12 | Gnurdux | ok thanks |
| 03:32.24 | nullboy | mns: well i use it under slackware as my host and i have run debian, Redhat, winXP, slackware as guests. works great. I can only assume that debian supports it fi you have a recent kernel. |
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| 03:33.13 | mns | Gnurdux: yes tar . will work just fine |
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| 03:33.53 | mns | 2.6.26 |
| 03:34.00 | mns | is the kernel I'm using |
| 03:34.33 | nullboy | mns: this all applies to the kvm version of qemu too http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:vde |
| 03:34.50 | nullboy | mns: when you build the kvm sources, you get a special version of qemu that uses the vmx flags |
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| 03:35.27 | nullboy | mns: sorry, start here http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:qemu&s[]=hardware |
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| 03:36.12 | nullboy | that write up is centered on kqemu+qemu but the basic ideas work under the kvm qemu too |
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| 03:39.03 | mns | nullboy: there's no kvm package as such ? |
| 03:39.19 | nullboy | mns: i don't know, i'd assume debian would have it |
| 03:39.35 | mns | nullboy: yes there is one .. apt-cache search kvm is a good friend .. |
| 03:39.37 | nullboy | i just wrote my own build script for it but that was for slackware |
| 03:39.40 | nullboy | mns: cool |
| 03:39.51 | nullboy | i'm a slackware veteran but a debian noob |
| 03:40.03 | stoned | noob saibot |
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| 03:45.58 | bittin^ | aja man rä ju olik |
| 03:46.05 | bittin^ | wrong channel =( |
| 03:47.05 | abrotman | wait .. i know the answer! |
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| 03:49.05 | Tramp | it was a question? |
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| 03:49.52 | simonrvn | 42! |
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| 03:50.30 | simonrvn | (factorial of 42, of course) |
| 03:50.51 | zinx | good ol' 1405006117752879898543142606244511569936384000000000 |
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| 03:51.19 | simonrvn | :D |
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| 03:52.32 | ioudas | im having problems getting flash going in etch |
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| 03:52.52 | ioudas | when i load up iceweasel i get this error LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so [/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so)] |
| 03:53.09 | ioudas | tried a couple how to's i cant get it goin at all |
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| 03:54.06 | ioudas | im in 4.0 etch |
| 03:54.40 | abrotman | flash10 ? |
| 03:54.44 | simonrvn | it needs a newer glibc, use backports.org (if they have it) |
| 03:55.10 | ioudas | i tried |
| 03:55.13 | ioudas | but cant get it |
| 03:55.45 | abrotman | flash10 no workie on etch |
| 03:56.37 | ioudas | id settle for any flash |
| 03:56.45 | abrotman | !tell ioudas about dmm |
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| 04:00.25 | ioudas | omsta;;ed |
| 04:00.27 | ioudas | err |
| 04:00.28 | ioudas | installed |
| 04:00.37 | ioudas | still nothing |
| 04:00.47 | ioudas | Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player |
| 04:00.48 | abrotman | you have to restart all instances of your browser |
| 04:01.00 | abrotman | and remove all traces of the one you mucked up |
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| 04:03.54 | ioudas | bleh |
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| 04:04.53 | ioudas | well i still cant get it to work |
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| 04:15.07 | Skapare | I have a damaged runtime library and I need to reinstall it ... dselect tells me I have _many_ dependent packages it wants me to delete |
| 04:15.08 | Skapare | how can I tell deselect that I want it to leave all those packages there, uninstall libpng, install libpng back, and reconnect those dependencies? |
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| 04:19.43 | oOarthurOo | I'm reading about backports now... because I'm hoping once Lenny is released openoffice.org 3 will be made available via backports, anyway.. it's the second time today I've seen people slamming apt-pinning. Is there something wrong with pinning that I'm missing... some danger I don't understand? |
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| 04:24.09 | Decepticon | how can i mount a dir to another dir? i want to sudo mount /media/Slave/oldhdd/ /media/OldHDD, where /media/Slave is a different hdd, and the dir oldhdd inside it is a backup. i want the backup dir to appear as mounted to /media/OldHDD |
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| 04:26.10 | simonrvn | Viper-7: fix your client |
| 04:27.01 | simonrvn | Decepticon: you're not doing what you think you're doing, if i'm understanding you OK. |
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| 04:27.15 | hellues | yeahhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:27.18 | Decepticon | hm? |
| 04:27.24 | hellues | D: |
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| 04:27.27 | Decepticon | should i just use ln -s |
| 04:27.51 | simonrvn | Decepticon: let's if i got you correctly: (more...) |
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| 04:27.56 | craigevil | oOarthurOo: pinning is fine if you know what the hell your doing, the problem is newbies try to do it with 3rd party repos and end up screwing up their system because they didn't do it correctly |
| 04:28.20 | simonrvn | Decepticon: you want /media/OldHDD mounted to /media/Slave/oldhdd/ ? |
| 04:28.27 | Decepticon | no |
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| 04:28.35 | simonrvn | vice versa? |
| 04:28.37 | Decepticon | i want /media/Slave/oldhdd/ mounted to /media/OldHDD |
| 04:28.39 | Decepticon | yes |
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| 04:28.53 | simonrvn | so --bind mount it |
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| 04:29.08 | simonrvn | it'll be the exact same |
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| 04:29.33 | simonrvn | suggests an ignore for JOINS,QUITS on Viper-7 |
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| 04:30.51 | Decepticon | hm ok thanks |
| 04:31.11 | simonrvn | man mount for the details |
| 04:31.23 | Decepticon | are such mount commands carried over reboots? |
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| 04:31.30 | Decepticon | or do i need to use /etc/fstab |
| 04:31.40 | simonrvn | add it yes |
| 04:31.59 | Decepticon | hm? |
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| 04:32.54 | ugly | why would I be getting "C compiler cannot create executables" errors in ./configure output of alsa-driver source on amd64? (set export CC=gcc-4.1) |
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| 04:33.21 | simonrvn | to fstab |
| 04:33.32 | stew | !b-e ugly |
| 04:33.33 | dpkg | ugly: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 04:33.35 | simonrvn | ugly: aptitude install build-essential |
| 04:33.47 | simonrvn | stew: :) |
| 04:33.57 | stew | ugly: but, you might want to be compiling a debian alsa-source package with m-a instead of using upstream source |
| 04:34.04 | stew | ugly: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:34.16 | ugly | stew: testing branch |
| 04:34.53 | stew | ugly: then you should just need to run "aptitude install module-assisteant build-essential && m-a a-i alsa" to compile a newer alsa, create a .deb out of it, and install the .deb |
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| 04:35.03 | stew | judd: versions alsa-source |
| 04:35.04 | judd | stew: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg-1 |
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| 04:35.33 | ugly | build-ess is already installed |
| 04:35.49 | ryanCH | ..not be paranoid, but is there a way to know for sure that non-one else is logged onto your linux box for somewhere else? |
| 04:35.56 | stew | ugly: that would get you 1.0.17, if you need 1.0.18, you can download and install a alsa-source package from experimental from http://packages.debian.org/alsa-source ; and run 'm-a a-i alsa' after installing it |
| 04:35.57 | ryanCH | *noone |
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| 04:36.17 | ugly | stew: ah, I'll try that (the experimental source) - I was messing around with the tarballs from alsa-proj |
| 04:36.25 | stew | ryanCH: you can run "w", unless you think that you might have been hacked. if you have, then there is no way to know for sure |
| 04:37.05 | ryanCH | ahh. i see |
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| 04:41.48 | Decepticon | simonrvn, in fstab, can i directly use the whole path "/media/Slave/oldhdd/" or do i need to use some other notation, for me to mount /media/Slave/oldhdd/ mounted to /media/OldHDD |
| 04:42.33 | simonrvn | whole path |
| 04:42.43 | Decepticon | simonrvn, because when i look in /etc/fstab , all the paths are /dev/* |
| 04:43.14 | Decepticon | do i use /dev/sdb1/oldhdd/ or /media/Slave/oldhdd |
| 04:43.36 | ugly | stew: I'm still getting the same compiler error with module-assistant |
| 04:43.56 | simonrvn | bind mount won't matter |
| 04:44.03 | simonrvn | /media/.... |
| 04:44.22 | simonrvn | (doesn't matter at all really...) |
| 04:44.29 | Decepticon | hm ok |
| 04:45.46 | ugly | stew: ah, I fixed it - had some CFLAGS set in /etc/environment - had to unset them |
| 04:45.47 | enouf | ? |
| 04:46.20 | simonrvn | man fstab |
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| 04:49.16 | Gigantic | /dev/sdb2 /home reiserfs user,acl,usrjquota=aquota.user,grpjquot a=aquota.group,jqfmt=vfsv0 1 2 |
| 04:49.27 | Gigantic | but I can't exec anything |
| 04:49.40 | Gigantic | I am getting "permision denied" |
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| 04:51.51 | superjet_busy | when make easystroke deb with cdbs, dpkg-buildpackage failed due to using `g++ -g -Wall -O2 -Os -MT actiondb.o -MMD -MP -MF actiondb.Po -o actiondb.o -c actiondb.cc...`, however run make directly work using `g++ -Wall `pkg-config gtkmm-2.4 gthread-2.0 dbus-glib-1 --cflags` -Os -MT actiondb.o -MMD -MP -MF actiondb.Po -o actiondb.o -c actiondb.cc...` |
| 04:52.16 | simonrvn | Gigantic: add 'exec' somwehere in the opts |
| 04:52.18 | superjet_busy | how to correct it? |
| 04:52.30 | simonrvn | Gigantic: check /proc/mounts first |
| 04:53.59 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.02 | Gigantic | oh |
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| 04:54.06 | Gigantic | it's noexec |
| 04:54.14 | Gigantic | weird |
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| 04:56.32 | Gigantic | brb, have to remount /home |
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| 05:03.11 | Decepticon | simonrvn, well that didnt work /media/Slave/oldhdd /media/OldHDD ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 05:03.18 | Decepticon | in /etc/fstab |
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| 05:03.29 | Decepticon | how am i supposed to say mount --bind inside of /etc/fstab |
| 05:03.52 | enouf | options -o |
| 05:05.11 | enouf | er.. under "options" area like; user,bind,noexec,etc |
| 05:05.18 | Decepticon | put -o udner options field? |
| 05:05.22 | Decepticon | instead of default |
| 05:05.24 | enouf | no |
| 05:06.09 | Decepticon | what is defaults options supposed to be? whatever it is, i should add 'bind' to it? |
| 05:06.20 | Decepticon | defaults,bind would be = ? |
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| 05:08.18 | Decepticon | rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async,bind ? |
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| 05:21.53 | DeathWolf | is there any other way but df to see a system's free space on a given partition? |
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| 05:23.48 | DeathWolf | (maybe something in /proc ? |
| 05:24.22 | hoxu | DeathWolf, man stat, -c, the "%a" part |
| 05:25.03 | hoxu | DeathWolf, you need the --file-system option for that, but read the manpage for details :p |
| 05:25.12 | DeathWolf | ok, thanks |
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| 05:30.41 | jhambo | Hi folks, my wireless periodically disconnects. After disconnecting, the only way I can get it back up again is to completely shutdown and then restart. If i try to bring the interface back up with `ifconfig wlan0 up` I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error |
| 05:31.02 | flourish | hello. question. As i want to use iso date format in icedove. I export LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 and then icedove. But it willn't work |
| 05:31.12 | enouf | modprobe -r <modulename> ; modprobe <modulename> |
| 05:31.53 | flourish | then If I export LC_ALL=en_DK.UTF-8. This time it works. But I wonder LC_ALL=en_DK.UTF-8 may cause some problems which i don't know |
| 05:31.58 | ugly | after compiling alsa from source with the same gcc version as the kernel (4.1.3), I receive the following error after trying to modprobe my soundcard's module: snd_ac97_codec: disagrees about version of symbol ac97_bus_type (and a number of other, similar errors) - what could be causing this? |
| 05:32.08 | enouf | unless firmware is also an issue ... |
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| 05:32.24 | flourish | so if I just export LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8, how can i make it work in icedove |
| 05:32.30 | jhambo | Here is the contents of dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/23858/ At the end of the paste there's some stuff which seems to be related to the problem |
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| 05:33.52 | scientes | why cant debs themselves invlude dependancy metadata |
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| 05:34.29 | simonrvn | scientes: um, apt-cache show foo |
| 05:34.35 | enouf | ugly: the only thing that comes to mind might be a possible system.map issue, but .. ugh, maybe just a wrong alias or something - hrm .. oh , did you run depmod -a prior? |
| 05:34.47 | ugly | enouf: I did, yeah |
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| 05:35.44 | enouf | scientes: the source pkgs do |
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| 05:36.13 | scientes | o |
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| 05:36.56 | simonrvn | debian/control has info too, as well as apt-cache showsrc foo, and apt-cache policy foo |
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| 05:38.00 | DeathWolf | thanks hoxu again, simplified greatly my script |
| 05:38.16 | enouf | apt-cache {r}depends as well :-) |
| 05:38.43 | simonrvn | apt-cache --help; man apt-cache :) |
| 05:38.45 | DeathWolf | (allowed me to remove 2 piped calls to grep and sed to get the values I needed) |
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| 05:49.07 | Serraphyn | Hey guys, anyone ehre ever setup a V-Gear Talkcam Pro? I plugged it in and xawtv doesn't see it as a device and I'm a bit stuck after that |
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| 06:03.51 | Skapare | I have a damaged runtime library and I need to reinstall it ... dselect tells me I have _many_ dependent packages it wants me to delete |
| 06:03.54 | Skapare | how can I tell deselect that I want it to leave all those packages there, uninstall libpng, install libpng back, and reconnect those dependencies? |
| 06:08.12 | liable | Skapare: reinstall it with dpkg. aptitude reinstall foo will also reinstall it. |
| 06:08.30 | grendelson | I am running an aptitude update/upgrade on Debian Testing. When dpkg hits lvm2 it goes to "setting up LVM (version)" * Setting up LVM Volume Groups |
| 06:08.51 | grendelson | I already ahve LVM 2 installed and have volume groups. It hangs at that line (setting up lvm volume groups) |
| 06:08.56 | Skapare | liable: so dselect was the wrong tool for this? |
| 06:09.21 | liable | Skapare: only know one person who still uses dselect |
| 06:09.32 | grendelson | and I waited over 24 hours - killed it , started dpkg --configure -a and some more packages were configured, but it hit the lvm2 pakcge again and stopped again... |
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| 06:10.08 | Skapare | liable: oh? what is the tool most people use to see a menu of available and installed packages over an ssh connection? |
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| 06:10.28 | liable | Skapare: aptitude has an ncurses menu |
| 06:10.32 | Guerin | ` |
| 06:10.36 | Guerin | !test |
| 06:10.36 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:10.42 | Guerin | dpkg: :( |
| 06:10.42 | dpkg | ) |
| 06:10.46 | enouf | grendelson: dpkg -l dmsetup |
| 06:10.50 | Skapare | liable: so aptitude is the new dselect? |
| 06:11.01 | enouf | grendelson: dpkg -l dmsetup | grep ^.i |
| 06:11.04 | liable | Skapare: i guess you could say that |
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| 06:11.20 | Skapare | liable: OK, thanks ... I'll check it out |
| 06:11.21 | grendelson | enouf, I'll man page that since i have no idea what dmsetup does ;-) |
| 06:11.46 | Serraphyn | not to sound silly but whose leg do I have to hump around here for some help with this silly camera, its 2k/xp on the box, can't find drivers for vista... and now linux doesn't want to see it... UGH |
| 06:11.47 | enouf | grendelson: well, here's what i'm getting at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
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| 06:14.06 | Skapare | Serraphyn: I don't think an offer like that would get much help |
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| 06:14.47 | Serraphyn | lol guess it depends whats on the other end of the connection, but at least I got a response from someone somewhere about this |
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| 06:16.07 | enouf | grendelson: note also #491107 (merged bug reports) |
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| 06:18.42 | grendelson | enouf, If i understand the bug reports - the dmsetup has bad lines - this casues the bug - the workaround seemed to be edit the first 3 lines but the last line in the forced merge bug seems to say it is fixed (or is Planned to be fixed?) |
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| 06:19.48 | enouf | grendelson: it's been fixed; hence i wanted to see which version |
| 06:20.02 | grendelson | 2:1.02.27-3 <-- version listed in bug 2:1.02.27-4 <-- version listed from dpkg -l |
| 06:20.37 | enouf | Fixed in version devmapper/2:1.02.27-3 |
| 06:20.59 | enouf | so now we can ignore that as the cause ;-) |
| 06:21.04 | grendelson | ahh ok |
| 06:21.22 | grendelson | that's an instance where i Wanted the bug to be the reason! |
| 06:21.37 | grendelson | changing a few lines would have been relatively easy.. |
| 06:21.38 | enouf | yerp |
| 06:22.10 | grendelson | unfortunately when I ps I see the LONG line for dpkg and the short one for aptitude - anything I might look at to see where the LVM setup is hanging? |
| 06:22.40 | Serraphyn | grendelson: ps > temp.log ; more temp.log |
| 06:22.42 | enouf | grendelson: were you running lenny prior, and just did an update followed by an upgrade? |
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| 06:24.07 | grendelson | I've had Testing in sources for a long time (years?) but it's been a while (weeks to months? ) since i did an update-upgrade - it hasnt been more than a month or 2 though... |
| 06:24.25 | grendelson | (testing) (!lenny) in sources... |
| 06:24.29 | enouf | righto - so, a new kernel got pulled in? |
| 06:24.51 | grendelson | hmmm I noted a kernel but it had the same version and number as the running kernel.... |
| 06:25.14 | grendelson | at least I saw Kernel-header packages.... |
| 06:25.51 | enouf | a new kernel would be a linux-image-2.6.xxxx pkg |
| 06:26.14 | grendelson | root 6858 0.0 0.1 2948 1176 tty1 S+ Dec16 0:00 /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/lvm2.postinst configure 2.02.39-2 |
| 06:26.36 | enouf | but, i wonder if you can't run some sort of "dpkg-reconfigure dmsetup" or similar |
| 06:26.40 | grendelson | Here is the process running in ps au |
| 06:27.02 | grendelson | Ahh so maybe dmsetup got pulled in but I'm still using old version? |
| 06:27.12 | enouf | yerp, the ,postinst script is hanging .. for whatever reason |
| 06:27.31 | grendelson | Well it's good to know it's actually getting to postinst script.... |
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| 06:28.25 | enouf | grendelson: you could edit that file and add set -x just below the #!/bin/bash line, on it's own new line |
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| 06:28.41 | enouf | grendelson: it should spit out some info during processing |
| 06:28.56 | grendelson | Wow - looking at postinst script it's crazy simple (just adds the invoke-rc.d lvm2 start and runs update-rc.d if it's not present? |
| 06:28.57 | grendelson | ! |
| 06:29.14 | grendelson | "set -x" that's all? |
| 06:29.27 | enouf | grendelson: or .. you could even replace set -x with exit 0 and avoid the script, but that's such a hack, and would need to be eventually addressed |
| 06:29.44 | enouf | addressed and fixed ;-) |
| 06:29.50 | grendelson | the first line is set -e |
| 06:29.56 | grendelson | I put set -x before that? |
| 06:30.15 | theeclipse | Hello Guys, I keep getting this error in dmesg : ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. and also just now I got a new error which is : eth2: NETDEV_TX_BUSY returned; driver should report queue full via ieee_device->is_queue_full. I have an IPW2200 which has the latest firmware.. any idea? |
| 06:31.12 | enouf | well .. set -ex then grendelson - run 'help set' |
| 06:31.23 | grendelson | ok |
| 06:31.56 | grendelson | Odd that the configure case ONLY does "vgcfgbackup >/dev/null 2>&1 || :" then "invoke-rc.d lvm2 start || :" |
| 06:32.04 | enouf | grendelson: invoke-rc.d is runlevel specific ... not sure that's an issue |
| 06:32.42 | grendelson | Perhaps--- invoke rc.d can't start lvm2 since it's already started? |
| 06:33.19 | enouf | how about dpkg-reconfigure lvm2 .. the configure-debian pkg will show you what's available .. there are other ways, but that's the easiest |
| 06:33.21 | Serraphyn | Can I get some help with this silly camera, it says 2k/xp on the box, can't find drivers for vista... and now linux doesn't want to see it... UGH |
| 06:33.22 | grendelson | There seems to be no way to capture the already started. Like perhaps it should read "invoke-rc.d lvm2 restart"? |
| 06:33.53 | enouf | grendelson: i don't want to guess with that - and possibly mess up your data ;-) |
| 06:34.01 | grendelson | ah. |
| 06:35.56 | grendelson | enouf, interestingly enough - When I hit Ctrl C to stop dpkg it gave me an error about lvm 2 adn moved to next package! |
| 06:36.02 | grendelson | I'll paste output.... |
| 06:36.09 | grendelson | msg dpkg paster |
| 06:36.10 | enouf | grendelson: what "configure" case? |
| 06:36.16 | enouf | !paste |
| 06:36.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:36.29 | grendelson | I meant to paster :-) |
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| 06:37.14 | Ricoshady | how do I find out what version the stable branch etch of debian is using? |
| 06:37.35 | Ricoshady | im looking for the specific version of a particular program |
| 06:38.56 | grendelson | enouf, http://paste.debian.net/23859 both postinst and error when I hit ctrl c |
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| 06:40.00 | grendelson | Note it seems it was waiting for a lock - is that helpful or a red herring due to breaking out of dpkg confgure? |
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| 06:43.27 | grendelson | Everything else seems to be configuring now that I broke out of the stuck LVM ( note how it still reported 6 vg active... intersting.... |
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| 06:45.50 | pro-rsoft | Hi all |
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| 06:46.32 | pro-rsoft | is it possible to have a "Depends: somepkg" line in a debian package file where the version of "somepkg" should be *between* 4.5 and 4.7? |
| 06:46.36 | mhymn_ | Ricoshady: what program? |
| 06:47.19 | grendelson | enouf - you still here? |
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| 06:48.28 | Ricoshady | mhymn_ php |
| 06:49.32 | Iradieh | http://subby.zapto.org/Zombie_project.tar.gz |
| 06:49.34 | mhymn_ | Ricoshady: dpkg -l | grep php ? |
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| 06:52.57 | grendelson | vgscan 27577 root 3uW REG 254,3 0 17097 /var/lock/lvm/P_global <-- THis is the output of lsof on the stuck lock location.... |
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| 06:56.35 | grendelson | enouf - interesting - I can run vgdisplay without error. BUT if I run vgscan it hangs and hitting ctrl-C causes same output as when lvm start was running from congiure task in postinst script |
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| 06:59.36 | enouf | grendelson: is / on LVM? what is then? |
| 07:00.13 | Ricoshady | mhymn_ i dont have debian installed yet |
| 07:00.29 | grendelson | enouf - sorry no / is not |
| 07:00.41 | enouf | grendelson: what is then? |
| 07:00.52 | mhymn_ | Ricoshady: so check here maybe: packages.debian.org |
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| 07:01.04 | grendelson | Now I see that pvscan and vgscan both hang with failure to obtain global lock - lvscan works. ALso all three (lvdisplay. vgdisp etc allwork) |
| 07:01.16 | enouf | judd versions php |
| 07:01.17 | judd | enouf: php -- |
| 07:01.22 | enouf | heh |
| 07:01.36 | Ricoshady | oh geez, the version is ooolld |
| 07:01.46 | Ricoshady | hm |
| 07:01.51 | grendelson | enouf, /usr, /home, opt, /var, /tmp, /lib |
| 07:02.25 | enouf | wonderful .. |
| 07:02.40 | grendelson | enouf - and I'm not out of space on any :-) I did have this happen before and wasted a night trouble shooting it ! |
| 07:02.58 | enouf | i was going to ask .. but nah, diff symptoms |
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| 07:03.35 | enouf | i would like you to manually stop it and restart it, however .. who knows if it'll all go kaboom |
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| 07:04.18 | Ricoshady | so if I don't use a package and install from source because the version is too old, what impact does that have on the pkg system as a whole? |
| 07:04.30 | grendelson | enouf - I see in googling taht the error I am getting could be related to lvm2 tool not being able to communicate with device mapper.... |
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| 07:04.54 | grendelson | enouf - you mean stop and restart lvm2? |
| 07:05.08 | grendelson | will I be able to access volumes when it is stopped? |
| 07:05.09 | enouf | grendelson: and .. do you have any sort of /etc/default/{lvm,dmsetup,device-mapper} files? |
| 07:05.19 | grendelson | enouf, one sec |
| 07:05.40 | enouf | grendelson: is the lvm on top of mdadm? |
| 07:06.05 | grendelson | lvm-common, |
| 07:06.08 | enouf | (or any raid for that matter) |
| 07:06.13 | grendelson | No |
| 07:06.36 | grendelson | jsut 2 disks with a large vg split into lv's |
| 07:06.43 | enouf | ok, look at what config options are present/set in /lvm-common .. though, might not that be from earlier versions? |
| 07:06.53 | grendelson | very likely |
| 07:07.32 | enouf | still might play a role - look at what your /etc/init.d/lvm2 script does |
| 07:07.36 | grendelson | enouf, The entire lvm-common is commented... |
| 07:07.42 | enouf | ok |
| 07:07.53 | Ricoshady | what impact does using a source file, compiling it manually have with the pkg manager? |
| 07:08.15 | enouf | nada mucho |
| 07:08.19 | Ricoshady | instead of using the package manager in the first palce, a version of a program I need is too old |
| 07:08.33 | aoeu3 | how do i d/l my photos off of my fuji finepix j100 in linux? |
| 07:08.44 | Guerin | Ricoshady: it means you have to manually track all its dependent libs and things like that |
| 07:08.47 | enouf | Ricoshady: /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 07:09.53 | grendelson | /sbin/vgscan --ignorelockingfailure --mknodes || : |
| 07:09.53 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:11.07 | enouf | well .. grendelson ; i'd say it's time for a bug report, and i don't know how to fix it either ... |
| 07:11.16 | cahoot | aoeu3: tried gphoto2? |
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| 07:11.47 | enouf | grendelson: you could try back here in a few hours, and also try on irc.debian.org #debian ... |
| 07:12.02 | grendelson | enouf, the vgscan is hanging -that is for sure... So it makes sense the start script is failing... Now I'm afraid to reboot or anything since if it can't vgscan I won't have data on my reboot! |
| 07:12.11 | enouf | right |
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| 07:12.27 | grendelson | enouf, Oh I thought that was irc.debian.org... |
| 07:12.47 | enouf | grendelson: undo the changes in the .postinst script, remove the -x part |
| 07:13.12 | grendelson | OK I won't do anymore tonight....Need to sleep (wake in few hours) |
| 07:13.23 | grendelson | enouf, as always thanks for the help... |
| 07:13.39 | grendelson | Glad I got to "talk this out" at least I knw Where the failure is occuring.... |
| 07:13.40 | enouf | i wish i knew more, and could help more |
| 07:15.29 | grendelson | enouf, Interestingly enough the rest of the dpkg --configre -a completed. and now I can upgrade and add packages since the lvm2 install "completed" |
| 07:15.59 | grendelson | But I'm shaking thinking of my machine getting powered off and not being abel to reboot due to fault dev mapper or lvm2 :-) |
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| 07:17.26 | enouf | grendelson: you should be concerned - have/make backups ;-) ... |
| 07:17.45 | Ricoshady | enouf, i see how to use the backports, but how do I search it like I do with apt-cache search? |
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| 07:18.29 | grendelson | Off to redo my backups since those have been erroring out for months! ((DOH!) |
| 07:18.32 | enouf | grendelson: have a good livecd handy, and maybe make sure {g}ddrescue is on one of them (maybe grab testdisk and INSERT or something) |
| 07:18.53 | grendelson | enouf, OK thanks! |
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| 07:19.10 | enouf | Ricoshady: yerp .. once you follow the instructs from bpo |
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| 07:19.47 | enouf | grendelson: you want a cd that can rescue lvm, so you need/want devicemapper support, etc |
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| 07:20.27 | grendelson | I ahve a knoppix dvd - pretty sure I used that as livecd for rescue in past.... |
| 07:20.49 | aoeu3 | cahoot, i'm dling it right now |
| 07:20.49 | aoeu3 | hope i don't have to wait until morning to run out and get a card reader |
| 07:20.49 | aoeu3 | needs a new facebook photo tonight |
| 07:20.52 | Ricoshady | enouf, hmm, doesnt seem to have an update php5 package |
| 07:20.53 | enouf | grendelson: even though / is not on lvm, dirs like /var/ and /tmp/ and /usr/lib and /lib might be a real problem |
| 07:21.08 | grendelson | yep |
| 07:21.12 | aoeu3 | cahoot, yep it works with gphoto2 |
| 07:21.14 | aoeu3 | can now pimp dem facebook and myspace hos from linux |
| 07:21.22 | enouf | judd: versions php5 |
| 07:21.25 | judd | enouf: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0-8+etch13 lenny: 5.2.6-5 sid: 5.2.6-5 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1 |
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| 07:22.46 | enouf | aoeu3: does facebook have pr0n? |
| 07:23.29 | Ricoshady | judd: versions php5 |
| 07:23.30 | judd | Ricoshady: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0-8+etch13 lenny: 5.2.6-5 sid: 5.2.6-5 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1 |
| 07:23.35 | Ricoshady | judd: versions mysql |
| 07:23.35 | judd | Ricoshady: mysql -- |
| 07:23.40 | Ricoshady | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 07:23.41 | judd | Ricoshady: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch6 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-17~bpo40+1 lenny: 5.0.51a-18 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.67-2 experimental: 5.1.30-2 |
| 07:23.58 | enouf | Ricoshady: if you need to do that - please open a PM with the bot and do it |
| 07:24.09 | Ricoshady | k |
| 07:24.24 | enouf | Ricoshady: or visit p.d.o ... judd is handy, but let |
| 07:24.39 | enouf | but let's not flood ;-) |
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| 07:27.12 | nsadmin | Hi, I.m considering installing windows as a dual boot; partitions are there, everything's ready. except: what's the easiest way of restoring my debian grub setup? |
| 07:27.15 | aoeu3 | yes |
| 07:27.15 | aoeu3 | not really porn though |
| 07:27.15 | aoeu3 | just lots of stupid teenage girls who post their swimsuit pics online thinking they're safe on facebook |
| 07:27.18 | aoeu3 | laughs at the public service announcements on fox all the time about posting that kind of shit online |
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| 07:27.50 | enouf | nsadmin: /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 07:27.54 | nsadmin | I'm expecting the windows install to screw my boot setup |
| 07:28.27 | nsadmin | this apply to etch/grub legacy? |
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| 07:28.55 | enouf | yep |
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| 07:29.05 | nsadmin | ok cool |
| 07:30.08 | nsadmin | can I actually run the grub shell from rescue mode in order to run its install command? |
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| 07:31.29 | enouf | did you read? sure, you can do whatever you want, screw rescue mode if you find it contrained |
| 07:31.39 | enouf | boot any livecd |
| 07:31.50 | nsadmin | ahh, a live cd |
| 07:31.59 | nsadmin | dats good idea |
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| 07:32.11 | enouf | it much easier to do things from the grub prompt though |
| 07:32.31 | nsadmin | that's what I want :) that would be the grub shell, yes? |
| 07:32.33 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 07:33.28 | nsadmin | can I get to the grub prompt from rescue mode? |
| 07:33.49 | enouf | pretty sure rescue mode presents yuo with an ncurses interface |
| 07:33.59 | enouf | !tias |
| 07:33.59 | dpkg | tias is probably try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 07:34.36 | enouf | why not make your own grub cd then ffs |
| 07:34.50 | nsadmin | I was considering that |
| 07:34.58 | enouf | http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC11 |
| 07:35.13 | nsadmin | I don;'t have flioppies lying around |
| 07:35.39 | enouf | who mentioned floppies? |
| 07:35.53 | enouf | !troutslap nsadmin |
| 07:35.53 | nsadmin | I did |
| 07:36.11 | stoned | enouf, ssnow |
| 07:36.27 | stoned | floppies lol |
| 07:36.28 | enouf | stoned: jingle bells |
| 07:36.36 | stoned | enouf, finally finished the ap |
| 07:36.38 | enouf | santa smells |
| 07:36.40 | stoned | wanna test it for me? |
| 07:36.47 | enouf | robin layed an egg |
| 07:36.49 | stoned | batman smells, robin laid an egg |
| 07:36.50 | stoned | dangit |
| 07:37.02 | nsadmin | a large trout wielding a half-inch long piece of string+1 looms over enouf! |
| 07:37.14 | enouf | you actually spelled all that better than i .. lmao |
| 07:37.24 | stoned | whats layed? |
| 07:37.32 | enouf | get layed? |
| 07:37.50 | stoned | you don't get layed with an egg do you? |
| 07:37.54 | stoned | thats freaky |
| 07:38.01 | enouf | ... |
| 07:38.11 | nsadmin | unless the egg is there to provide protein |
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| 07:38.49 | stoned | enouf, http://ws.podzone.org/inoptix/oldapp <- test it out for me |
| 07:39.00 | stoned | whichever browser you want, as long as it has javascript |
| 07:39.04 | enouf | which bloated behemoth? |
| 07:39.06 | enouf | ok |
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| 07:39.50 | stoned | just put in any junk data and try to save |
| 07:40.10 | enouf | omg .. my HDD is thrashing worse than if i ran "find / ..." |
| 07:40.10 | stoned | enouf, I'm in the middle of setting up apache with .NET |
| 07:40.20 | enouf | and updatedb |
| 07:41.07 | stoned | uhm |
| 07:41.14 | stoned | I only have like 150kb worth javascript |
| 07:41.17 | stoned | IF tht |
| 07:41.50 | enouf | stoned: it's the browser code going apeshit, not your web page |
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| 07:44.35 | stoned | test out the brand field try diff brands watch checkboxes |
| 07:44.38 | stoned | :D |
| 07:44.40 | nsadmin | updatedb -is- a find / ... |
| 07:44.52 | enouf | stoned: i pressed save, it's not doing anything |
| 07:45.02 | enouf | nsadmin: it's more than that |
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| 07:46.42 | stoned | hey |
| 07:46.44 | stoned | bullshit |
| 07:46.51 | stoned | bozo automatic lime green cyclops? |
| 07:46.53 | stoned | wtf |
| 07:47.19 | shivraj | stoned: do you smoke WEED ? |
| 07:47.39 | stoned | haan yaar |
| 07:47.46 | stoned | bohot charas marta hoon main |
| 07:47.57 | stoned | ahem |
| 07:48.01 | shivraj | I dont speak hindi, I am from Guyana |
| 07:48.01 | enouf | stoned: you like? :-) |
| 07:48.07 | stoned | enouf, you are saving the data properly |
| 07:48.16 | stoned | how do you like my input validation |
| 07:48.18 | stoned | =D |
| 07:48.45 | scientes | debconf: apt-extracttemplates faileed: bad file descriptor |
| 07:49.13 | stoned | shivraj, word |
| 07:49.13 | shivraj | stoned: my friend Abhiram from india smokes a lot of weed, I dont smoke ... |
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| 07:49.14 | enouf | <stoned> just put in any junk data and try to save <stoned> bozo automatic lime green cyclops? |
| 07:49.14 | stoned | shivraj, cool |
| 07:49.14 | scientes | dpkg: unabel to create `var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.u': no space left on device |
| 07:49.14 | dpkg | scientes: You are moron #26 |
| 07:49.14 | stoned | lol |
| 07:49.15 | stoned | omg |
| 07:49.23 | scientes | apt-get isnt working on a system mounted with nfs |
| 07:49.26 | scientes | nfs root over pxe |
| 07:49.46 | scientes | there is plenty of space |
| 07:49.48 | enouf | scientes: here's where reserved root sectors save your add |
| 07:49.51 | enouf | ass even |
| 07:49.55 | stoned | enouf, how many times did you s ubmit the form? |
| 07:50.05 | enouf | stoned: 5000 |
| 07:50.09 | stoned | ok |
| 07:50.11 | scientes | /home/nfs/test 192.168.15.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 07:50.17 | scientes | thats the root |
| 07:50.33 | scientes | and there is 100GB left on the device |
| 07:50.47 | enouf | stoned: i just clicked it another 100x to be sure :-P |
| 07:50.54 | scientes | it isnt actually out of space |
| 07:51.20 | karlpinc | I've got a Linksys WRT54GS. There's no running Debian on it, right? I should use openwrt? |
| 07:51.26 | enouf | scientes: it says /var |
| 07:51.37 | scientes | its mounted via nfs |
| 07:51.49 | scientes | so its basically a chroot |
| 07:51.56 | scientes | fro m/home which has 100+ free |
| 07:52.11 | scientes | i can create files |
| 07:52.13 | stoned | no |
| 07:52.14 | scientes | but apt fails |
| 07:52.21 | enouf | karlpinc: dd-wrt? |
| 07:52.23 | stoned | karlpinc, ddwrt v24sp2 |
| 07:52.28 | stoned | karlpinc, which version? |
| 07:52.32 | scientes | o gues not |
| 07:52.37 | scientes | only can create touch |
| 07:52.50 | stoned | look on the back or take the first 4 chars of your serial # and go google them, it will give you the exact version # |
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| 07:52.58 | scientes | why wouldnt the nfs mount rw? |
| 07:53.15 | stoned | that way you can tell how much nvram and max memory you have and which version of the firmware you can support |
| 07:53.30 | stoned | v2 was the best version until GL |
| 07:53.55 | stoned | I have two, a v6 and a v2, my v2 runs ddwrt full version and v6 can only support micro |
| 07:54.09 | stoned | v6 has half the memory disabled |
| 07:54.20 | stoned | its kinda castrated, they took off the left ball |
| 07:54.26 | stoned | cheap bastards |
| 07:55.07 | shivraj | stoned: I just installed dd-wrt on a linksys wrt54g, I used v24sp1 ...... works great, using as wireless bridge instead of linksys wireless card for desktop |
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| 07:55.18 | stoned | shivraj, same here |
| 07:55.33 | stoned | I've a few battery powered repeaters on trees and poles in my street |
| 07:55.40 | stoned | expands my signal catching ability |
| 07:55.48 | enouf | places an order with sendaball.com for stoned |
| 07:55.50 | shivraj | stoned: hehe |
| 07:55.58 | stoned | I have about 7 routers I own in my hood |
| 07:55.59 | stoned | ;) |
| 07:56.44 | Gigantic | cat /proc/mounts > /dev/sdb3 /home reiserfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,acl 0 0 But /etc/fstab > /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD2000JS-00MVB1_WD-WCANY1357063-part3 /home reiserfs user,acl 1 2 |
| 07:56.54 | shivraj | stoned: how many STATIONS do you have access to ? |
| 07:57.22 | Gigantic | no proc say it is being mounted as 'noexec' |
| 07:57.23 | stoned | I own 7-8, few are open, rest are closed too far away or whatever |
| 07:57.28 | Gigantic | but that is not my intend |
| 07:57.31 | enouf | Gigantic: use /by-label, or /by-uuid |
| 07:57.42 | stoned | shivraj, when I was in an apartment building, I had 18 network I owned, and few open and rest closed or too far away |
| 07:57.54 | karlpinc | stoned: Ah, I'll go look for my version number |
| 07:58.02 | enouf | Gigantic: and then all you need is a LABEL= or a UUID= |
| 07:58.27 | Gigantic | enouf: is that the reason it is being mounted as noexec? |
| 07:58.48 | enouf | Gigantic: it's likely not even paying attention to that entry |
| 07:59.22 | enouf | or .. did you make a custom udev rule? and that's an external drive? |
| 07:59.22 | Gigantic | enouf: well I am using my /home partition so I guess it is :) |
| 07:59.31 | nullboy | Gigantic: hey your drive is still in warranty, just in case you needed to know that WCANY1357063 WD2000JS-00MVB1 In Limited Warranty 3/15/2009 |
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| 07:59.46 | Gigantic | and proc/mounts say it is mounted... I will remount then brb lemme see what happen |
| 07:59.54 | karlpinc | Looks like I've got version 1.0. |
| 08:00.04 | Gigantic | nullboy: lol |
| 08:00.10 | nullboy | ;) |
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| 08:00.15 | Gigantic | nullboy: it works perfectly so far |
| 08:00.20 | Gigantic | brb... |
| 08:00.22 | nullboy | hehe |
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| 08:04.34 | grendelson | enouf, OK I got rdiff-backup to run but had to remove the entire rdiff-data dir so it's running an Entire backup ! - well it will runall night and hoepfully complete before something causes my machine to reboot :-) |
| 08:04.37 | grendelson | Have a good night! |
| 08:04.39 | rotesgnu | Hi all |
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| 08:06.21 | Gigantic | woots |
| 08:06.27 | Gigantic | it work :) |
| 08:06.52 | Gigantic | I wonder why fstab has everythig mounted by device id |
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| 08:09.07 | karlpinc | shivraj, enouf, stoned: Why dd-wrt rather than openwrt? It _seems_ like openwrt is both more open (historically) and more modular. |
| 08:10.51 | enouf | karlpinc: i mentioned ddwrt cause you implied you wanted debian(based) |
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| 08:14.02 | karlpinc | enouf : Ah. Ok. |
| 08:14.45 | karlpinc | enouf : Is there anywhere to go ask what's the better choice? |
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| 08:17.33 | enouf | karlpinc: i would just do some reading - maybe ask in ##linux and find related wrt channels? Gee, do you think they'd be biased? :-P |
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| 08:18.09 | enouf | karlpinc: i've also heard of 'tomato' or something |
| 08:18.32 | enouf | but that might be closed source or someshit .. dunno |
| 08:19.44 | sep | karlpinc, dd-wrt have a more polished webinterface so if that is important for you use dd-wrt openwrt is more a DIY solution. |
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| 08:25.42 | MariachiAC | Hello. I've installed gnome-audio, however... Ia'm not able to hear any system sounds. I've enabled the esd software mixing, but no sounds work. what seems to be the problem? using debian sid. |
| 08:26.20 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 08:26.21 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 08:26.58 | shivraj | karlpinc: dd-wrt is open source ... |
| 08:27.22 | MariachiAC | enouf... I don't understand what commands to perform on the command line. |
| 08:27.47 | MariachiAC | enouf, do I need to install alsa-oss? |
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| 08:28.07 | enouf | MariachiAC: hi again; i know you are a blind user, i recall last night or thereabouts ... is it better for us to do the factoids in the channel like i just did? See what dpkg just said - or, is it better to receive them in private message? |
| 08:28.14 | enouf | MariachiAC: i would anyway |
| 08:28.14 | karlpinc | enouf: ;) (Been reading....) |
| 08:28.43 | enouf | MariachiAC: |
| 08:29.01 | MariachiAC | enouf, it's better for me to recieve them in private. there is to much here to scroll through. |
| 08:29.07 | enouf | MariachiAC: "cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp" is the command - use "Ctrl + C" to stop it |
| 08:29.21 | enouf | MariachiAC: ok ;-) |
| 08:29.24 | karlpinc | sep: I'm a command-line sorta guy, if by polished you mean web-interfaced. I don't really like gui's. They keep changing out from under me. |
| 08:29.30 | enouf | !tell MariachiAC -about soundcheck |
| 08:29.37 | enouf | !tell MariachiAC -about speaker-test |
| 08:29.45 | enouf | !tell MariachiAC -about alsa checklist |
| 08:30.22 | enouf | MariachiAC: make sure alsa-oss and alsautils is installed |
| 08:30.42 | enouf | !versions alsautils |
| 08:30.45 | enouf | crap |
| 08:30.51 | enouf | judd: versions alsautils |
| 08:30.53 | judd | enouf: alsautils -- |
| 08:30.59 | enouf | judd: versions alsa-utils |
| 08:31.00 | judd | enouf: alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2 lenny: 1.0.16-2 sid: 1.0.16-2 experimental: 1.0.18-1 |
| 08:31.05 | enouf | darned HYPHENS! |
| 08:31.12 | karlpinc | shivraj : Yeah, but the dd-wrt 'about' page says they're "considering a different model", and wikipedia says they tried to close-source it and went back to the GPL. All of which makes me wonder how long it's going to be around. |
| 08:31.25 | enouf | MariachiAC: make sure alsa-oss and "alsa-utils" (corrected) is installed |
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| 08:31.50 | MariachiAC | enouf ok. |
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| 08:33.55 | karlpinc | enouf: Tomato seems to have not-so-open components. (In addition to the binary firmware blobs that I think they all use.) |
| 08:35.12 | enouf | MariachiAC: also note; "apt-get update" followed by "apt-cache search audio | grep -i gnome" might show you some missing pkgs you may want or need |
| 08:35.31 | enouf | karlpinc: i see - ok then ;-) |
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| 08:37.07 | Wesley | goodmorning. Is there any location where I can find a recent sources.list for a debian 3.1 stable? |
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| 08:37.50 | nsadmin | Wesley: archive.debian.org? |
| 08:37.54 | Wesley | I keep getting 404's |
| 08:37.55 | enouf | Wesley: if you need a sarge mirror, try archive.debian.org |
| 08:38.18 | donspaulding | the debian etch netinst disk keeps failing at the boot loader installation step. the error on tty1 reads as "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" even though the file exists. |
| 08:38.25 | Wesley | Hmm |
| 08:38.29 | nsadmin | sarge is probably eoling soon... want to upgrade to etch? |
| 08:38.44 | enouf | donspaulding: try /msg dpkg rescue mode |
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| 08:39.39 | MariachiAC | enouf: I am not able to run alsaconf. Since I am relying on speech, I can't run it. It will run, b ut it will terminate my speech. |
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| 08:40.12 | MariachiAC | enouf: My userrname us part of the audio group though. |
| 08:40.43 | nsadmin | MariachiAC: does the command groups confirm that? |
| 08:40.53 | MariachiAC | enouf: there was a command to run. I was not able to run it since i had t o restart the pc due ot loss of speech. |
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| 08:41.18 | MariachiAC | onsadmin: yes. |
| 08:41.47 | enouf | MariachiAC: there was a command to run? are you asking me to repeat something? |
| 08:41.47 | donspaulding | enouf: so I just skip the bootloader installation, then come back and rescue it? |
| 08:41.59 | enouf | donspaulding: yep |
| 08:42.08 | MariachiAC | enouf: yes it was cat / something... |
| 08:42.18 | enouf | ahh ok MariachiAC |
| 08:42.31 | MariachiAC | nsadmin: Yyes the command groups comfirms that my username is apart of the audio group. |
| 08:42.33 | enouf | MariachiAC: "cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp" is the command - use "Control + C" to stop it |
| 08:42.55 | MariachiAC | enouf: ok. |
| 08:42.56 | nsadmin | and turn speaker vol down first |
| 08:43.17 | donspaulding | enouf: sounds graceful enough, if not intuitive. |
| 08:43.20 | nsadmin | that's going to be one fugly sound... |
| 08:43.22 | Gigantic | ponders about switching to XFS |
| 08:43.47 | nsadmin | Gigantic: got a ups? never going to shrink it? |
| 08:44.07 | enouf | donspaulding: i just hope the reason for the error isn't some / as encryption/lvm/raid combo issue |
| 08:44.09 | Gigantic | nevah |
| 08:44.26 | nsadmin | got a ups? |
| 08:44.29 | donspaulding | enouf: lvm + raid on this setup |
| 08:44.35 | donspaulding | no encryption however |
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| 08:44.45 | nsadmin | don't run xfs without ont |
| 08:44.50 | Gigantic | btw, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp && echo "The sympony of life" |
| 08:44.56 | Gigantic | works better |
| 08:45.01 | enouf | donspaulding: well .. is / on raid? how about lvm? |
| 08:45.06 | Gigantic | nsadmin: ont? |
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| 08:45.50 | donspaulding | enouf: yes, (/,swap,/home) are all in LVM on RAID |
| 08:45.55 | enouf | the rescue mode wiki entry points to further steps with info IIRC |
| 08:46.18 | donspaulding | enouf: cool, will give rescue a shot, thanks |
| 08:47.19 | Gigantic | ortho-nitrotoluene ? |
| 08:47.32 | enouf | donspaulding: remember, you install grub to a physical device, /dev/sda .. etc, not /dev/md0 nor /dev/mapper/blah |
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| 08:48.18 | Gigantic | brb |
| 08:49.08 | donspaulding | enouf: yeah, I had dropped to busybox and chrooted but couldn't get it to install to /dev/sda |
| 08:49.46 | MariachiAC | enouf: Ok "cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp" works. However, I am not sure if I woudl still have speech. I hear a sound, but when I go into the sounds dialog and try to test system sounds nothing happens. Even when I mute speech, nothing happens. Everything is set ot alsa. |
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| 08:49.51 | enouf | donspaulding: did you --bind mount /proc and /dev prior? |
| 08:50.45 | enouf | MariachiAC: i wonder what System > Preferences > Default Applications? or Audio? or similar is set to |
| 08:51.00 | enouf | MariachiAC: i never used gnome - but i recall some commands from seeing others |
| 08:51.03 | donspaulding | enouf: no. I ended up running "mount -t proc proc /proc" when I saw proc wasn't mounted, but this is pretty new to me, and nothing else looked weird. |
| 08:52.03 | enouf | donspaulding: exit the chroot and mount --bind /dev /target/dev and same for /proc - then chroot, then try installing |
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| 08:54.03 | donspaulding | enouf: trying now.... |
| 08:54.34 | enouf | donspaulding: if you booted in rescue or recovery, or single, the drives might be mounted ro, remount rw prior |
| 08:55.59 | gansc | Hi @all |
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| 08:58.07 | enouf | MariachiAC: for debian + gnome specific help, i would try irc.gnome.org - and join atleast the #gnome-debian channel - maybe others? Also try here and ##linux at various times of the day |
| 08:58.22 | enouf | !gnome |
| 08:58.22 | dpkg | well, gnome is a Desktop Environment, (a "DE", and so are KDE and XFCE) - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status> |
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| 08:59.56 | MariachiAC | enouf: ok. I'm installing hte gstreamer plugins and the applicaitons to play wav files etc.. So maybe that will work. |
| 09:00.12 | enouf | MariachiAC: great |
| 09:00.13 | MariachiAC | enouf: I'll take al ook at those channels. |
| 09:00.23 | enouf | good |
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| 09:01.38 | enouf | MariachiAC: this command as root user or sudo "lsof | egrep 'esd|firefox|iceweasel|flash|artsd|pulse|jack'" might help you track down any apps hogging your sound devices and /dev/dsp even ,, but it's output may also just confuse you ;-) |
| 09:01.52 | donspaulding | enouf: now it seems that /target/boot/grub only has device.map |
| 09:02.02 | enouf | donspaulding: aha |
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| 09:02.19 | donspaulding | likes the sound of that. |
| 09:02.25 | enouf | !wb jelly |
| 09:02.25 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! jelly has returned! |
| 09:02.43 | enouf | donspaulding: well .. |
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| 09:03.44 | enouf | donspaulding: what does find /target/boot/grub/stage1 return? |
| 09:04.01 | enouf | donspaulding: or - remove /target/ even |
| 09:05.29 | donspaulding | enouf: nothing |
| 09:05.37 | donspaulding | as in, not there. |
| 09:05.59 | enouf | donspaulding: ok - get busy ;-) |
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| 09:06.10 | donspaulding | enouf: how would I get those files back? |
| 09:06.19 | enouf | donspaulding: reinstall grub |
| 09:06.42 | donspaulding | as in chroot /target; apt-get remove --purge grub; apt-get install grub? |
| 09:06.48 | donspaulding | because that didn't work ;-) |
| 09:08.01 | enouf | donspaulding: no ... as in rescue mode ;-) |
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| 09:09.29 | donspaulding | according to the install guide it says to run 'grub-install "(hd0)"' inside the chroot |
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| 09:10.02 | donspaulding | enouf: that gives me /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 09:10.48 | donspaulding | fondly remembers the day when partitions were either "basic" or "extended" and optionally "bootable" |
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| 09:12.13 | enouf | donspaulding: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 09:12.19 | jones- | Hi. What is the way to give highest priority to packages in a certain repo in my sources.list, regardless of the version number? |
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| 09:17.16 | Ricoshady | what does the standard install do, what basic packages are installed? |
| 09:17.25 | jones- | Oh that's called pinning. Found it. |
| 09:17.29 | enouf | donspaulding: also, let tab completion help |
| 09:17.50 | enouf | !standard |
| 09:17.50 | dpkg | i guess standard is when people write down their ideas, ignoring other (better) ideas and then argumenting that the other (better) ideas are bad since they are not standard. See <wifi> |
| 09:17.56 | enouf | heh |
| 09:18.28 | enouf | Ricoshady: ~$ tasksel --task-packages standard |
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| 09:18.57 | enouf | not much of an exacting answer .. but hey :-p |
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| 09:20.16 | Ricoshady | enouf, can i assume most basic servers need the packages the stanrd package includes? |
| 09:20.28 | Ricoshady | or will it install a bunch of shit I dont need |
| 09:20.36 | Ricoshady | basically, this is a LAMP box, not much more |
| 09:20.43 | enouf | Ricoshady: i think aptitude might have a better mechanism for showing which pkgs are of those ~priority |
| 09:21.36 | enouf | Ricoshady: basically yes - i'm sure you can trim somethings afterwards though |
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| 09:22.22 | enouf | Ricoshady: or .. you could get really selective and untick all tasksel and just pick and choose |
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| 09:23.05 | nsadmin | Ricoshady: perhaps debian isn't for you... maybe you'd be happier compiling everything from scratch |
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| 09:24.08 | nsadmin | at least that way we wouldn't have to listen to you complain... |
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| 09:25.22 | nsadmin | or more to the point s/we/I/ |
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| 09:31.08 | donspaulding | enouf: thanks for your help, it's still not working, but I'm done messing with it for now. :-) |
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| 09:33.44 | kmeyer | anyone know where I can find a list of DFSG "good" licenses? |
| 09:33.53 | PMT | I appear to have found that the Sparc netboot image for Lenny fails to boot. Who should I tell? |
| 09:34.33 | enouf | PMT: #debian-sparc? |
| 09:34.44 | enouf | PMT: on irc.debian.org perhaps |
| 09:35.05 | PMT | enouf - good plan. |
| 09:35.05 | enouf | PMT: i'm pretty sure there's a debian-sparc mailing list too |
| 09:35.16 | PMT | ah, but are there any members? :P |
| 09:35.25 | enouf | heh |
| 09:36.10 | enouf | kmeyer: as opposed to DFSG "bad" licenses? |
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| 09:36.16 | kmeyer | enouf: yes. |
| 09:36.38 | enouf | oh, you mean "compatible with" i guess? |
| 09:36.41 | kmeyer | yes. |
| 09:36.49 | enouf | hrm .. that |
| 09:36.54 | enouf | hrm .. that's a toughy |
| 09:36.57 | kmeyer | :D |
| 09:37.14 | enouf | even GNU has issues :-P |
| 09:37.31 | enouf | er GPL or whatever .. |
| 09:37.39 | enouf | FSF |
| 09:38.30 | kmeyer | there's no standard list or something |
| 09:38.31 | kmeyer | ? |
| 09:38.32 | jelly | kmeyer: it's an interesting issue; both Apache and GPLv2 are good, but some combinations of those two can make binaries undistributable |
| 09:38.47 | kmeyer | jelly: well, I'm more interested in it from the perspective of: |
| 09:39.02 | kmeyer | "hm, this is a cool piece of software, I wonder if it'd be ok for debian to ship it" |
| 09:39.29 | suzukinder | hi! |
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| 09:40.20 | Octalot | kmeyer: have you searched the archives of debian-legal? |
| 09:40.41 | Octalot | (websearch, mentioning debian-legal as a search term is the easy way) |
| 09:41.04 | jelly | kmeyer: if unsure, ask debian-legal |
| 09:41.37 | jelly | at least, wikipedia article for DFSG says so. wp never lies. |
| 09:41.58 | kmeyer | heh |
| 09:42.15 | kmeyer | Octalot: a list somewhere is just convenient, that's all |
| 09:42.22 | kmeyer | at least for fairly commonly seen licenses |
| 09:42.29 | jelly | !dfsg-licenses |
| 09:42.29 | dpkg | methinks dfsg-licenses is http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 09:42.35 | jelly | huh |
| 09:42.42 | kmeyer | ah, there we go :) |
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| 09:43.35 | enouf | Ricoshady: ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep -i required | less |
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| 09:44.30 | enouf | do the same for important (70) and standard (94) - i get ~62 for required |
| 09:45.45 | Octalot | thanks jelly |
| 09:46.17 | jelly | /msg dpkg listkeys licence ftw |
| 09:46.30 | jelly | eh, license* |
| 09:46.34 | enouf | s/c/s :0 |
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| 10:02.12 | badcloud | any way to uninstall gnome-power-manager without uninstalling gnome and gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 10:03.55 | gansc | Hey Badclound, i think in #gnome-debian you get help |
| 10:04.11 | boggy` | whereis gnome-power manager : then rm -rf |
| 10:04.31 | badcloud | boggy, doesn't sound wise |
| 10:04.33 | boggy` | apt-get remove will remove your desktop etc. |
| 10:04.38 | badcloud | right |
| 10:04.44 | boggy` | how is it not |
| 10:04.52 | boggy` | its the power manger |
| 10:04.55 | badcloud | since apt-get tracks installed packages |
| 10:05.29 | boggy` | well then see what programs need it as dependencys |
| 10:05.34 | boggy` | if nothing important remove it |
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| 10:05.45 | boggy` | its not "unsafe" |
| 10:05.50 | boggy` | if thats what ur hinting at |
| 10:05.58 | badcloud | that's just it, gnome and gnome-desktop-environment are important to me |
| 10:06.13 | boggy` | ok |
| 10:06.14 | badcloud | so, there's no risk using the rm -rf tactic |
| 10:06.16 | boggy` | so just rm -rf |
| 10:06.21 | boggy` | no |
| 10:06.27 | boggy` | your just removing the program itself |
| 10:06.34 | boggy` | your not making any major changes ur fine |
| 10:06.51 | boggy` | the system will call for it, bypass and run normally without it |
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| 10:07.17 | boggy` | i will warn you if you ever apt-get update it will be back |
| 10:07.20 | boggy` | most likely |
| 10:07.26 | boggy` | so keep that in mind |
| 10:07.31 | badcloud | maybe even safer would be to remove it from the sessions startup daemons |
| 10:07.42 | boggy` | you can but if you dont need it then what the hell |
| 10:07.44 | boggy` | get rid of it |
| 10:07.50 | Dewi | badcloud: sounds better |
| 10:07.57 | boggy` | shrugs |
| 10:07.58 | Dewi | badcloud: don't delete files the package manager is expecting |
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| 10:08.05 | badcloud | I just can't suspend on this mf |
| 10:08.15 | badcloud | what would be the acpi command? |
| 10:08.19 | boggy` | no but it can skip it |
| 10:08.24 | jelly | boggy`: removing the packaged files is almost always a bad idea |
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| 10:08.52 | jelly | boggy`: if nothing, the next upgrade will just recreate them (unless they're config files) |
| 10:09.05 | boggy` | thats what i said |
| 10:10.22 | badcloud | anyone? acpi? |
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| 10:12.58 | boggy` | http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=a/acpi |
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| 10:20.24 | LoveGuru | Hi, Have Quick Question with kernel, I just compile kernel for what i need. but somehow it won't working, so how can i delete that kernel and how can i remove that kernel entry from grub. thx |
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| 10:25.23 | cahoot | if you used mak-kpkg aptitude would do the job |
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| 10:25.39 | cahoot | make-kpkg |
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| 10:35.40 | LoveGuru | cahoot: ya i used make-kpkg |
| 10:37.36 | LoveGuru | cahoot: how can i remove it? which i compile with make-kpkg |
| 10:38.20 | cahoot | LoveGuru: aptitude purge linux-image-<version> |
| 10:38.22 | enouf | the same way you installed it |
| 10:39.10 | LoveGuru | cahoot: alright thax. and remove the entry from grub, thats it? or do i have to do anything else? |
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| 10:39.52 | cahoot | LoveGuru: should be done for you |
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| 10:40.53 | LoveGuru | cahoot: alrighto thanks again :) |
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| 10:52.52 | sep | anyone here running the megaraid storage manager on debian ? i can only find rpm's (inside a tar.gz inside a zip) from lsi's homepage |
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| 10:59.21 | autonomy_ | could someone help me with packaging a python module - I want to know if there is a way so that debian/mypackage.install can have a dynamic path set using the default python version |
| 10:59.41 | chairmeleon | does anyone in here know of a way to install the Novell Client on debian? |
| 11:00.10 | dondelelcaro | autonomy_: see the python policy for how to package a python module; http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ |
| 11:00.23 | autonomy_ | dondelelcaro: thankyou |
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| 11:02.48 | autonomy_ | dondelelcaro - I've rewritten dmidecode as a python module - I'd like to package it up and have it put into debian sid - can you tell me where I shoud begin reading? |
| 11:03.17 | dondelelcaro | autonomy_: you should first learn how to package a basic package; see the new maintainer guide |
| 11:03.28 | dondelelcaro | autonomy_: from that you can examine how other packages are packaged, and read the python policy |
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| 11:04.30 | dondelelcaro | I personally don't package python stuff, but IIRC, there's also a team doing python module maintenance, and you can always ask debian-python@l.d.o |
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| 11:05.09 | autonomy_ | great - thanks |
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| 11:19.57 | apostle | using debian lenny...problem with flash player....it plays really fast and sometimes hangs with sound? |
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| 11:25.42 | ham5 | try a different version or different browser? |
| 11:26.03 | LoveGuru | " http://pastebin.com/d4177225a " im trying to patch my kernel but it gave me error :< |
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| 11:26.49 | ham5 | its 'patch -p1 < patchfile' |
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| 11:27.57 | LoveGuru | ham5: i m trying to run " bzip2 -dc /usr/src/patch-2.6.27.bz2 | patch -p1 |
| 11:28.04 | LoveGuru | is it wrong? |
| 11:28.06 | ham5 | I know |
| 11:28.08 | LoveGuru | ahh in last filename :S |
| 11:28.23 | LoveGuru | oops sorry. my mistake |
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| 11:28.48 | DragoraN | hi |
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| 11:29.16 | DragoraN | omg, where to put cuistom PS1 after intallation? i need all users to have same |
| 11:30.02 | GNU\colossus | hi all. I'd like to perform a check of all files installed on a system, if their checksums match those recorded in the package files themselves. is there an easy way to do that via dpkg or apt? |
| 11:30.20 | Eulex | DragoraN, /etc/profile |
| 11:30.27 | LoveGuru | ham5: " bzip2 -dc /usr/src/patch-2.6.27.bz2 | patch -p1 < patch-2.6.27.bz2 " its gud now ? |
| 11:30.49 | dondelelcaro | GNU\colossus: use debsums |
| 11:31.33 | ham5 | I donno did it work? |
| 11:31.54 | GNU\colossus | dondelelcaro: is that a dedicated program? |
| 11:32.09 | LoveGuru | ham5: well it gave something funky txt at terminal, i try to run with --dry-run |
| 11:32.12 | LoveGuru | *check |
| 11:32.25 | GNU\colossus | (apt-cache segfaults wehn i try to search packages, so I can't look for myself) |
| 11:33.40 | LoveGuru | ham5: thats the result when i try to run with --dry-run |
| 11:33.41 | LoveGuru | :S |
| 11:33.52 | ham5 | cool |
| 11:34.43 | LoveGuru | ham5: what that mean? its not guD ? |
| 11:34.51 | ham5 | donno |
| 11:34.57 | LoveGuru | :< |
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| 11:41.19 | Gigantic | !kill ChanServ |
| 11:41.20 | dpkg | rips ChanServ open with a rusty dagger |
| 11:41.36 | ham5 | !kick Gigantic |
| 11:41.37 | dpkg | kicks Gigantic in the crotch. |
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| 11:43.44 | DragoraN | Eulex: does not work :( |
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| 11:44.07 | aldin | anyone has this kde style downloaded, cause i cant find it in source form anywhere, it is ex Linspire kde3 style, thanks in advance, link was http://software.linspire.com/pool-src/los/los-linspireclear-style/los-linspireclear-style_1.11-0.0.0.50.linspire0.1.tar.gz |
| 11:45.19 | DragoraN | Eulex: tried all combination :( |
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| 11:50.16 | TwistOfFate | gys |
| 11:50.18 | TwistOfFate | guys rather |
| 11:50.23 | TwistOfFate | i want to move to testing |
| 11:50.26 | TwistOfFate | on a personal box |
| 11:50.28 | TwistOfFate | what do you reckon |
| 11:50.39 | internat1 | whats the best way to run fsck on root? |
| 11:52.01 | amphi | internat1: touch /forcefsck and reboot - or boot from a livecd |
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| 12:01.55 | autonomy_ | An extended python module should be installed in /usr/lib/module - would that be /usr/lib/dmidecode or /usr/lib/python-dmidecode in my case? It seems to be just dmidecode, but that could potentially conflict with a non-python dmidecode lib |
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| 12:09.17 | Gigantic | lol |
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| 12:10.31 | autonomy_ | I settled on /usr/lib/python2.4/dmidecode.so |
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| 12:13.14 | internat1 | is there a command i can run to make debian do a md5sum of all files/packages etc? just had some corruption and would like to verify that all is still intact |
| 12:14.10 | petemc | debsums |
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| 12:16.45 | nocte | hey |
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| 12:17.02 | nocte | is there any reason /usr/src have +s attribute set ? |
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| 12:20.14 | shani^work | "_" |
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| 12:25.32 | mbc | aint much activity in here atm... |
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| 12:26.21 | fireba11 | hi, what's the most sane package to install from netinstall if i need a desktop for some moronic tool? kdebase? |
| 12:26.47 | petemc | i like xfce |
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| 12:27.13 | petemc | if im looking for something usable and minimal |
| 12:27.46 | fireba11 | petemc: it should have been a headless server but the moronic websphere demands a BROWSER or it won't install |
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| 12:28.15 | petemc | fireba11: oracle does similar, most people use X remotely |
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| 12:29.13 | Iradieh | Excuse me, could I have someone to try out my game? SDL libs are required |
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| 12:29.19 | fireba11 | petemc: okay then .. how do i get a minimal desktop setup? never tried to set it up afterwards :-) would apt-get install xfce pull everything i need? |
| 12:29.30 | Iradieh | fireba11: yes |
| 12:29.44 | petemc | fireba11: you would need to install xorg too |
| 12:29.50 | Iradieh | petemc: it bringsx org |
| 12:29.57 | petemc | Iradieh: it does? |
| 12:30.06 | Iradieh | yes |
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| 12:30.19 | petemc | !depends xfce4 |
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| 12:31.01 | petemc | Iradieh: im not sure that it does, certainly gnome etc dont |
| 12:31.11 | petemc | dpkg seems to be not responding |
| 12:31.12 | dpkg | petemc: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 12:32.44 | petemc | !+depends xfce4 |
| 12:32.46 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 12:33.10 | dpkg | xfce4: does not depend on anything |
| 12:33.17 | fireba11 | well it certainly does not pull any x.org stuff |
| 12:33.34 | petemc | nor should it, people may have x servers elsewhere |
| 12:33.43 | Iradieh | Excuse me, could I have someone to try out my game? SDL libs are required, just run make and the binary |
| 12:34.28 | fireba11 | petemc : so what package for x.org? the xorg does seem to install about everything and might be a lot more than i want :-) |
| 12:34.55 | petemc | xserver-xorg-core , perhaps |
| 12:34.59 | dpkg | xfce4: does not depend on anything |
| 12:35.06 | petemc | stupid bot |
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| 12:36.35 | d-b | !moo |
| 12:36.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 12:36.41 | d-b | the bot is not stupid. |
| 12:37.10 | mbc | :-) |
| 12:37.15 | petemc | mooing isnt really a sign of intelligence |
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| 12:37.30 | d-b | petemc: and typing is ?^^ |
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| 12:37.47 | petemc | more so than mooing, anyway |
| 12:37.51 | d-b | anyways -> xfce4-desktop should... |
| 12:38.00 | petemc | so should xfce4 |
| 12:38.00 | elenril | if several binary packages are built from one source, can i use dpkg-buildpackage to build just one of them? |
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| 12:38.45 | d-b | no it doesn't -> there are small em things that don't need to grab the rest of xserver stuff |
| 12:38.58 | d-b | just install xorg, xfce4 should work |
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| 12:39.13 | petemc | d-b: sorry, when you say should... , what do you mean:? |
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| 12:39.31 | d-b | well my phone runs xfce4 -> its a freerunner (openmoko) |
| 12:39.34 | d-b | for example. |
| 12:39.39 | amphi | d-b: nice |
| 12:39.56 | d-b | if you think it is a bug report it tho. |
| 12:40.10 | mordy | is there a way to install only a package's manpages? |
| 12:40.14 | petemc | it? ive no idea what you're talking about |
| 12:40.15 | fireba11 | great ... "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'" wtf? |
| 12:40.22 | petemc | i also dont see a xfce4-desktop package |
| 12:40.33 | amphi | fireba11: xfonts-base is installed? |
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| 12:40.47 | mordy | (i want it to extract only the manpages and have it automatically registered with doc-base) |
| 12:41.08 | fireba11 | amphi: no .. but something should have depended on that :-D |
| 12:41.40 | d-b | http://packages.debian.org/etch/xfce4 should pull in x-window-system-core -> xorg |
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| 12:42.02 | fireba11 | d-b : no it does not. |
| 12:42.06 | d-b | oh ? |
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| 12:43.24 | fireba11 | had to install it manually. fonts as well *grr* but now it works |
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| 12:44.54 | khader | how ru |
| 12:45.02 | amphi | fireba11: some X setups use a remote font server, I believe that's why fonts are not installed locally by default |
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| 12:46.03 | raoks | hello |
| 12:46.08 | raoks | anyone good with FreeBSD? |
| 12:46.19 | raoks | orry i cant join #freebsd for some reason so asking in nix channels |
| 12:46.34 | dtcrshr | did u got banned: |
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| 12:46.50 | raoks | no its +R |
| 12:46.58 | raoks | and i dont have a email atm to register a nick |
| 12:47.05 | raoks | cant id my email on this box |
| 12:47.09 | raoks | so the problem is that |
| 12:47.15 | raoks | i want to mount hdd in rescue mode |
| 12:47.24 | jelly | whateveraddress@mailinator.com :-) |
| 12:48.00 | raoks | so? |
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| 12:48.46 | avu | raoks, the point is that you can easily use a mailinator address as there is no setup involved, you can just use them |
| 12:49.16 | avu | raoks, so you can register and ask your question in a channel where you're not highly off-topic :) |
| 12:49.24 | jelly | provided access to www is available |
| 12:49.56 | jelly | s/you're not highly off-topic/you have a chance of getting an answer/ |
| 12:50.05 | raoks | well |
| 12:50.24 | raoks | maybe someone of u can join /j #freebsd and ask "How to mount hdd in rescue mode" and c/p me the answer? |
| 12:50.30 | raoks | i shall be very greatful for ur this kind act |
| 12:50.42 | d-b | raoks: get your nick registered |
| 12:50.42 | raoks | honestly i need to mount this hdd quickly |
| 12:50.48 | raoks | I CAN't atm |
| 12:50.55 | d-b | raoks: let me register it for you then |
| 12:51.00 | raoks | ok |
| 12:51.02 | d-b | i have an email -> want to use it |
| 12:51.05 | raoks | sure |
| 12:51.10 | raoks | i shall be thankful |
| 12:51.16 | raoks | just pm me ur email |
| 12:51.19 | d-b | ok |
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| 12:51.28 | raoks | complete the registeration process ill do the /ns cmd here |
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| 12:52.43 | cahoot | raoks: http://216.239.59.132/search?q=cache:fGZVJdweW3YJ:www.paultastic.com/blogs/index.php%3Ftitle%3Dfreebsd_rescue_cd%26more%3D1%26c%3D1%26tb%3D1%26pb%3D1+freebsd+mount+disk+in+rescue+mode&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=se&client=firefox-a |
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| 12:53.13 | mbc | :-) |
| 12:54.15 | mbc | !moo |
| 12:54.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 12:58.00 | mordy | this moo clip is cool |
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| 12:59.44 | mordy | i like this moo sound |
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| 13:00.55 | Flibberdy | why does aptitude tell me it doesn't have super moo powers or something? |
| 13:01.34 | craigevil | because apt does :) apt-get moo |
| 13:01.51 | ham5 | are moo powers good? |
| 13:02.02 | mordy | aptitude moo |
| 13:02.59 | sep | makes the whole apt-get and aptitude programs sensible ! |
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| 13:07.22 | cahoot | ham5: you've stumbled on something like houmour in #debian - not often seen |
| 13:07.26 | cahoot | meh |
| 13:10.30 | mikedub | ham5: type 'aptitude moo' then 'aptitude -v moo' then 'aptitude -vv moo' then 'aptitude -vvvv moo' etc.. :) |
| 13:11.08 | mikedub | maybe you shouldn't skip -vvv though |
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| 13:12.30 | mordy | lol |
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| 13:21.41 | craigevil | aptitude -vvvvv moo finally draws something that kinda looks like a cow |
| 13:21.55 | mordy | don't know what that is really |
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| 13:21.59 | mordy | doesn't look like a cow |
| 13:22.09 | mikedub | aptitude -vvvvvv moo |
| 13:22.15 | mordy | but apt-get moo draws something like a goat or gnu |
| 13:22.28 | mikedub | add one more v |
| 13:22.31 | mordy | or a highly malnourished cow |
| 13:22.34 | craigevil | anything past that just gives > What is it? It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course. |
| 13:22.37 | mordy | yeah |
| 13:22.48 | mordy | doesn't go beyond it - but i haven't tried 100 |
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| 13:45.31 | dtcrshr | hi everyone, im having an issue with conky. iv installed compiz and everything is fine, but my conky gots messed up, doubled characters and so on... do they work together, conky + compiz? |
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| 13:51.09 | ShishKabab | Hi. I'd like to learn how to make packages for Debian and Ubuntu. Could anyone give me directions to a good guide? |
| 13:52.23 | jelly | hmm, ShishKabab: /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 13:55.19 | ShishKabab | jelly-home: Seems like I've got a lot to read. Thanks. |
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| 13:56.16 | dustybin | ShishKabab: chicken or lamb? |
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| 13:57.11 | ShishKabab | dustybin: I like chicken more. |
| 13:57.19 | dustybin | ShishKabab: chilli sauce salad? |
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| 13:57.55 | ShishKabab | dustybin: Yes please. |
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| 13:58.16 | dustybin | ShishKabab: open or wrapped? |
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| 13:58.36 | ShishKabab | dustybin: Wrapped. How much? |
| 13:58.53 | dustybin | thats £3.50 please |
| 13:59.55 | ShishKabab | dustybin: Delivery to the Czech Republic included? |
| 14:00.19 | dustybin | aye |
| 14:00.57 | ShishKabab | dustybin: Sounds pretty good to me. |
| 14:01.10 | ShishKabab | I'll have four |
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| 14:03.08 | mrglinux | are there equal debug.exe ( on windows ) in linux ? |
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| 14:10.31 | omry_|work | mrglinux, gdb |
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| 14:10.52 | omry_|work | although it's probably insulting for gdb to compare it to debug.exe :) |
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| 14:14.10 | mrglinux | ;-) it's probably insulting for linux to compare it to windows |
| 14:14.30 | mrglinux | it's surely |
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| 14:19.09 | gewt | yay |
| 14:19.17 | gewt | my debian floppy disks work |
| 14:19.25 | mrglinux | omry_|work:is it possible to run assembly command with gdp ( like debug A 100 and start assembly ) |
| 14:19.35 | gewt | do i need both net-drivers floppy disks too? |
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| 14:20.10 | mordy | gewt: i guess you only need the drivers that your card needs |
| 14:20.21 | gewt | D: |
| 14:20.26 | gewt | ill be booting to the CD |
| 14:20.34 | gewt | so that should have the drivers right? |
| 14:20.40 | gewt | using the floppy disks to laod the cd? |
| 14:20.52 | mordy | why are you using floppies to load a CD? |
| 14:20.59 | mordy | your bios doesn't support booting from CD? |
| 14:21.15 | gewt | nto afaikl |
| 14:21.27 | gewt | it's a 13 year old pc |
| 14:21.37 | mordy | should still support it |
| 14:21.44 | mordy | but that's borderline already |
| 14:22.32 | mordy | if you're not doing a net install, you don't need any of the net drivers anyway |
| 14:22.39 | omry_|work | mrglinux, possibly. never done it. |
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| 14:29.50 | ||arifaX | has someone experience with setting up an eventum server on debian etch. I have problems with the mysql.so extension in php.ini |
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| 14:40.26 | doublehp | when an ssh server changes public key, client usually refuses to connect (produce FATAL error). How to make my client update the key, and accept connexion , even when server changes key ? |
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| 14:43.04 | Feeernando | hi |
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| 14:43.22 | ||arifaX | doublehp: delete your ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 14:43.27 | ||arifaX | doublehp: ? |
| 14:43.33 | asg | doublehp: edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the offending key |
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| 14:44.03 | Feeernando | mre! |
| 14:44.05 | ||arifaX | doublehp: the errormessage during connect should give you the correct line number in your known_hosts file |
| 14:44.11 | mre | wut? |
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| 14:47.16 | doublehp | ||arifaX: asg i know that ... i am looking for a permant/conf setting, or argument to pass ... |
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| 14:48.04 | ||arifaX | create an alias for the command that executes your connection and to the fix of the known_hosts file before doing the real connection (just an idea) |
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| 14:48.50 | alcohol | PHP's pcntl_fork() function works on our production machine, but not on the local dev machine. What could cause this difference? They're both Debian Etch installs. |
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| 14:49.14 | asg | doublehp: there was a recent blog entry on planet.debian.org regarding .ssh/config entries you could use to do that. |
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| 14:50.03 | doublehp | asg: thats the kind of things ... |
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| 14:52.09 | alcohol | Anyone? |
| 14:52.18 | alcohol | How could forking be available on system A, but not on B? |
| 14:53.00 | d-b | alcohol: the apt cache keeps updating |
| 14:53.05 | d-b | apt-get update.... |
| 14:53.13 | alcohol | They're both up to date though. |
| 14:53.18 | alcohol | I imagine local is even newer. |
| 14:53.26 | d-b | try again... |
| 14:53.31 | doublehp | asg ||arifaX |
| 14:53.34 | alcohol | Could local be missing something that php's function utilizes? |
| 14:53.38 | KiZ | hey guys, is there any easy way of connecting applications through a specific virtual interface? |
| 14:53.48 | alcohol | There is no package called Fork |
| 14:53.54 | alcohol | So I don't know what to check for ): |
| 14:54.11 | doublehp | asg ||arifaX thanks: http://planet.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=ssh => seems t be the one ... (not sure yet, did not test) |
| 14:54.46 | asg | doublehp: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2008/12/11#ssh_tip |
| 14:55.09 | petemc | ive seen machines unable to fork due to resource limitations, but its probably not that |
| 14:55.30 | alcohol | Perhaps PHP wasn't built with the support for it locally. |
| 14:55.42 | alcohol | checks if there is a special package or something |
| 14:55.43 | d-b | doublehp: there are good reasons to get that message -> ssh key has changed... |
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| 14:56.38 | petemc | d-b: it would appear from the first question that doublehp is aware of that |
| 14:56.41 | doublehp | asg d-b thx |
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| 14:57.26 | elijahwright | doublehp: ssh-keygen -R ? |
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| 14:59.38 | Decepticon | is there something like htop for the network, i want to see graphs or history or avg and instantaneous transfer speeds up/down for each interface in a cli environment reliably under screen |
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| 15:00.22 | petemc | d-b: iptraf, ntop |
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| 15:00.30 | asg | Decepticon: nload is also useful |
| 15:00.31 | mquin | iftop might be what you're after |
| 15:00.56 | Decepticon | iptraf looks disgusting under screen |
| 15:01.09 | petemc | no it doesnt |
| 15:01.18 | Decepticon | it complains about row width or somethign |
| 15:01.21 | petemc | check your TERM |
| 15:01.43 | stew | it should look identical inside screen as it does not in screen |
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| 15:02.23 | Decepticon | This program requires a screen size of at least 80 columns by 24 lines. Please resize your window |
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| 15:04.05 | stew | Decepticon: yes, that will happen whether you are in screen or not, if you are running it in a term which isn't 80 columns by 24 lines |
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| 15:04.48 | stew | Decepticon: what size is the terminal you are running it in? |
| 15:05.08 | Decepticon | i dont know, how to check that? |
| 15:05.44 | stew | Decepticon: perhaps run resize, which would tell you, and maybe fix the problem while its at it |
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| 15:17.29 | alcohol | how could I enable pcntl support for mod_php ? |
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| 15:17.46 | alcohol | cli comes with it enabled |
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| 15:18.42 | Coke | Hello. Is it possible to make sunrpc and auth only listen to localhost? |
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| 15:19.06 | aspWork | guys, i need to dynamically rewrite some dns lookups for machines behind my firewall |
| 15:19.12 | ptman | Coke: dpkg-reconfigure portmap |
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| 15:19.28 | aspWork | ie, the dns resolve gives an external ip, and i want my local server to rewrite it to an internal |
| 15:19.55 | Coke | ptman: how about identd? |
| 15:20.19 | petemc | aspWork: rewrite? you should just have your server answer queries with the response you want |
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| 15:20.41 | ptman | Coke: I don't know |
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| 15:21.02 | aspWork | petemc: i have the dns outside hosted somewhere else |
| 15:21.17 | mikedub | anyone using munin for graphing servery things? |
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| 15:21.28 | aspWork | so inside my firewall i want to translate the external ips to my internal addresses |
| 15:21.32 | petemc | aspWork: good look with your rewriting then |
| 15:21.37 | mikedub | looking for some good plugins. I'm a statistics geek. |
| 15:21.47 | asg | ptman: the simple solution in most cases is to just firewall the ports so the services are only accessible from localhost etc. |
| 15:22.11 | petemc | aspWork: i do something like that with binds 'views' |
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| 15:22.38 | petemc | hmm, luck isnt spelt look |
| 15:23.07 | ptman | asg: for portmap I think dpkg-reconfigure is _much_ easier |
| 15:23.09 | abrotman | does dmidecode understand if the RAM is ECC orn ot? |
| 15:23.12 | abrotman | or not |
| 15:23.54 | ptman | asg: and I rarely run firewalls at all, but that's just a matter of preference |
| 15:24.14 | asg | ptman: whatever floats your boat. |
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| 15:26.15 | Coke | asg: I don't want a firewall, I just need to shut down all that stuff |
| 15:26.40 | asg | Coke: then either remove the services or /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 15:27.05 | asg | abrotman: lshw might |
| 15:27.19 | Coke | asg: I can have them listening on localhost |
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| 15:27.22 | Coke | asg: like rcp, statd, etc |
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| 15:28.19 | mythomaniac | anyone here versed in dvtm here? |
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| 15:29.14 | abrotman | notes that ECC is barely even a price bump anymore .. |
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| 15:30.29 | peterrooney | !ask |
| 15:30.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:30.57 | Coke | Still can't make auth dissapear from my tcp listeners |
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| 15:32.00 | Coke | I want to either disable auth or remove it completely. The same goes for udp bootp |
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| 15:32.34 | petemc | Coke: that kind of stuff is usually started from inetd |
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| 15:32.44 | Coke | petemc: well, actually, bootp can remain,it's the dhcp client |
| 15:32.53 | Coke | petemc: I can't force auth to only listen to localhost |
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| 15:33.11 | karme | shouldn't gvfsd-http use the users proxy settings? in general whats the state of gvfs? |
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| 15:34.57 | joiguru | hi guys, what package provides the manuals in info format for bash? i am using lenny |
| 15:36.08 | abrotman | probably already installed |
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| 15:37.13 | joiguru | info bash just shows me the manpages. I have also installed bash-doc package |
| 15:37.42 | asg | it is possible that bash docs are not provided in info format |
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| 15:38.38 | joiguru | so do I have to get the info files form bash-site or is there a package in dabian that does that ? |
| 15:39.00 | joiguru | sorry for typo |
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| 15:40.35 | abrotman | joiguru: did you look in /usr/share/info/ to see if there is a bash info page there? |
| 15:41.14 | joiguru | abrotman, yes i did |
| 15:41.18 | joiguru | it is not there |
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| 15:42.55 | \amethyst | joiguru: the bash info documentation is not available in Debian, no |
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| 15:44.01 | joiguru | \amethyst, thanks for the info :) |
| 15:44.32 | \amethyst | joiguru: someone filed an ITP but has not yet made a package: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466120 |
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| 15:45.15 | soul9 | hi |
| 15:45.32 | soul9 | can someone confirm a historic question please? |
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| 15:45.48 | soul9 | ever since i remember, debian "testing" was called lenny |
| 15:46.00 | soul9 | it seems there is going to be a release called lenny now? |
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| 15:46.25 | _PadhatMurkh | yeah, they have frozen it |
| 15:46.26 | petemc | soul9: your memory just doesnt go back far enough, all versions of stable were at on epoint testiong |
| 15:46.37 | \amethyst | soul9: testing has only been "lenny" since April 2007 |
| 15:46.50 | \amethyst | soul9: before that testing was "etch" (and "sarge" before that, etc) |
| 15:46.58 | soul9 | okay, so my memory is flawed |
| 15:47.01 | soul9 | okay, thanks |
| 15:47.13 | soul9 | confuzed :-( |
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| 15:48.01 | Cosmo` | hi guys, i'm trying to build something on a debian system i've been given access to, but i cannot link against libpthread.a - the error message saying that it has not been compiled with fPIC ... |
| 15:48.08 | Cosmo` | does anyone have ideas what could have caused this? |
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| 15:48.51 | soul9 | yes, that it seems debian doesn't build libpthread with -fPIC by default |
| 15:49.04 | Cosmo` | interesting ... do you know how i can resolve this? |
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| 15:49.27 | soul9 | well |
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| 15:49.32 | Cosmo` | strangely i tried installing the same thing on another debian system and didn't have this issue |
| 15:49.39 | soul9 | either you make your app work without -fPIC |
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| 15:49.53 | Cosmo` | well unfortunately it's not my app, i'm trying to build the python bindings for libtorrent |
| 15:50.39 | soul9 | or you download the source package that contains libpthread.a and recompile with -fPIC locally |
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| 15:50.44 | jhambo | I have a problem that after my computer goes to sleep it loses connection to my WPA2 secured wireless router. After that point, I can only reconnect to the router if I reboot the router. It's a wrt54g. any ideas how to eliminate this problem? |
| 15:51.04 | Cosmo` | what interests me more is why this issue hasn't occured on my other install, i'm wondering whether that's down to Debian or changes occuring in the libtorrent source between compilations |
| 15:51.33 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: do you have /usr/lib/libpthread.so ? |
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| 15:51.46 | Cosmo` | yes, i do |
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| 15:53.56 | \amethyst | why would it be linking against the .a I wonder |
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| 15:54.18 | Cosmo` | i wonder, but the libtorrent python bindings specify to be linking statically |
| 15:54.31 | Cosmo` | i believe it's some facet of how they work, they don't work correctly when linked as a shared library |
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| 15:55.14 | SparFux | Is there a short description of Debian update security model available? Is it secure to update, as far as I trust the maintainers of the packages? |
| 15:55.35 | petemc | with stable it is |
| 15:55.39 | abrotman | security.debian.org ? |
| 15:56.07 | abrotman | SparFux: also .. /msg dpkg tracker of doom .. or see debsecan (i think that's thep ackage name) |
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| 15:59.56 | SparFux | abrotman: yes, debsecan is a nice package! |
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| 16:03.31 | Kikkomaso | Hi, I'm trying to set up an FTP server; So far it works, but the user "ftp" has access to everything. It can only write in /home/ftp but can still read all. |
| 16:03.34 | Kikkomaso | How can I fix this? |
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| 16:03.52 | Kikkomaso | I'm using ProFTPd |
| 16:03.53 | Cosmo` | hmm, it seems also libssl is not compiled with fPIC |
| 16:04.34 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: static libraries are usually not compiled with -fPIC AFAIK |
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| 16:05.42 | Paul_E | Hi all, could someone point me to the link that shows the remaining issues that need to be resolved before the next version of Debian is released? |
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| 16:06.40 | lunk | they're mostly personal |
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| 16:06.50 | abrotman | lunk: that's not funny |
| 16:06.51 | \amethyst | Paul_E: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 16:07.01 | abrotman | http://release.debian.org/ |
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| 16:07.27 | Paul_E | \amethyst: Fantastic, thanks. That's exactly what I was trying to get google to tell me about. |
| 16:07.36 | stoned | Good morning! |
| 16:07.48 | \amethyst | Paul_E: also check out what abrotman linked to; there's much more information there |
| 16:07.49 | stoned | whats going on in the world of #debian, besides snow! |
| 16:07.55 | Paul_E | abrotman: Thank you ever so much as always! |
| 16:08.14 | Cosmo` | it seems that ... |
| 16:08.31 | Cosmo` | you can replace /usr/lib/libpthread.a with /usr/lib/libpthread_nonshared.a |
| 16:08.46 | stoned | can emacs be integrated somehow to debug php? |
| 16:09.02 | stoned | as well as edit it |
| 16:09.02 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: no, because the latter has only six symbols in it |
| 16:09.13 | Cosmo` | for the moment it at least gets past that compilation stage |
| 16:09.15 | stoned | with like a debugger |
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| 16:09.20 | Cosmo` | it is clearly alot smaller |
| 16:09.29 | stoned | two words |
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| 16:09.31 | stoned | not 1 |
| 16:09.33 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: it's the stuff that couldn't go into libpthread.so |
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| 16:09.59 | Cosmo` | i really don't understand why this issue hasn't occured on another one of my debian systems |
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| 16:10.12 | stoned | Cosmo`, "a lot" |
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| 16:10.43 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: is there some reason you can't use the python-libtorrent package? |
| 16:11.02 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: on the other system, is it still trying to link statically? |
| 16:11.10 | Cosmo` | yes, and it does it successfully |
| 16:11.30 | Cosmo` | i believe these systems were installed at exactly the same time a few months ago |
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| 16:15.09 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: same versions on libc6-dev, of gcc, of binutils, etc? |
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| 16:16.39 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: there's a python-libtorrent in experimental, but it's built against a completely different libtorrent (libtorrent-rasterbar, with which it shares a source package) |
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| 16:19.20 | Cosmo` | hmm, i'm having so many linking problems on this system that i do not have on the other |
| 16:19.40 | Cosmo` | including linking with libpthread and even libboost_python |
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| 16:20.26 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: these are the same architectures, right? |
| 16:20.41 | Cosmo` | yes, they're identical machines sat next to each other in our university lab :) |
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| 16:21.03 | Cosmo` | ... wait a second |
| 16:21.31 | Cosmo` | let me run to the next room |
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| 16:22.21 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: I say this because in x86 linking non-PIC code into shared libraries usually works, whereas on amd64 it does not |
| 16:23.07 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: Debian doesn't really do much to support statically linking things into shared libraries, though---the static libraries are not in general built with -fPIC |
| 16:23.25 | \amethyst | since that just leads to duplicate code |
| 16:24.38 | SparFux | abrotman: this was what I was looking for. I am reading... http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 16:25.59 | Cosmo` | ok amethyst, same arch, same hardware, same install |
| 16:26.02 | Cosmo` | x86_64 |
| 16:26.15 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: then I'm not sure how it worked on the other machine |
| 16:26.35 | Cosmo` | nor am i ... |
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| 16:26.49 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: and you verified that you have the same versions of gcc, binutils, and all of your package's build-dependencies? |
| 16:26.49 | Cosmo` | i wonder whether the build process for the libtorrent python bindings has been altered ... |
| 16:26.57 | Cosmo` | yes, just done that |
| 16:27.10 | Cosmo` | brb, going to put the build scripts side by side |
| 16:27.18 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: is there a ./configure |
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| 16:27.31 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: if you you might diff the config.log s |
| 16:27.38 | \amethyst | s/if you/if so,/ |
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| 16:30.51 | Cosmo` | it seems the build files are identical |
| 16:31.00 | Cosmo` | as far as i can tell there's no configure as it's built using bjam |
| 16:31.13 | David___ | |
| 16:31.13 | David___ | Have set themselves on the apach2 DocumentRoot / home and now I have 403 error in the browser. |
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| 16:32.01 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: I think it's time to find the people who made the library you're trying to build and ask the 'wtf, yo?' |
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| 16:32.14 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i need to allow www-data to tail log files of /var/log any idea? |
| 16:32.32 | stoned | David___, come again |
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| 16:32.38 | Cosmo` | yeah, i've been trying that for the last hour or so |
| 16:32.43 | stoned | David___, you changed your doc.root to /home or / |
| 16:32.50 | Cosmo` | it seems there's ALWAYS something wrong with the build process for the libtorrent python bindings |
| 16:33.08 | stoned | David___, change it to /home/username/public_html or enable mod UserDir |
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| 16:33.31 | stoned | David___, its actually just better to not have anything defined in your apache config, but to make virtual hosts instead |
| 16:33.35 | stoned | and configure those |
| 16:33.51 | stoned | only have your global directives in the config |
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| 16:34.08 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: you might point out that Debian policy 10.2 doesn't allow static libraries to be built with -fPIC on Debian unless there is a very good reason |
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| 16:34.27 | stoned | David___, do not msg me |
| 16:34.33 | Cosmo` | in all fairness i'm literally just trying to build this from source, NOT using any apt provided packages |
| 16:34.45 | Cosmo` | i do have various reasons for that, but i may have to revist them |
| 16:34.56 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: yeah, but it's not all that common to have PIC static libraries |
| 16:35.09 | Cosmo` | the strange thing is |
| 16:35.19 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: so they should know that people are going to have build problems on 64-bit architectures (and others that require PIC) |
| 16:35.22 | Cosmo` | it seems that if the binding isn't built to be static linked ... |
| 16:35.28 | Cosmo` | it 'builds' |
| 16:35.36 | Cosmo` | but when python comes to use it, horrible horrible things happen |
| 16:35.40 | \amethyst | hm |
| 16:35.44 | \amethyst | that could be fixable |
| 16:35.56 | \amethyst | horrible things like not finding a dependency library? |
| 16:36.06 | \amethyst | or horrible things like demons flying out of the ethernet port? |
| 16:36.19 | Cosmo` | well, i meant horrible as in multiple screen prints describing mangled names that can't be found and missing symbols |
| 16:36.27 | \amethyst | is C++ involved? |
| 16:36.39 | Cosmo` | libtorrent itself is written in C++ yes |
| 16:36.46 | Cosmo` | so i guess the python bindings are written in the same thing |
| 16:36.48 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 16:37.13 | \amethyst | so that means you need to use approximately the same compiler version to compile all the parts |
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| 16:37.38 | \amethyst | because symbol mangling changed between gcc 3 and gcc 4 |
| 16:37.58 | Cosmo` | in a nutshell it's quite a big mess |
| 16:38.14 | David___ | |
| 16:38.15 | David___ | Stoned: no I do not know how to do this. |
| 16:38.30 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: I'm not sure how much more I'll be able to help you with. ##workingset might be able to provide some hints, but I'm not sure |
| 16:38.39 | stoned | David___, then I suggest you get reading |
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| 16:38.57 | stoned | David___, or simply change document root to a place where you have write permissions |
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| 16:39.18 | stoned | er. www-data |
| 16:39.36 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: Your best bet would be to get dynamic linking to work, because otherwise you'll have to build your own PIC static libraries for almost everything |
| 16:39.47 | stew | David___: have a look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default if you haven't already. debian puts a file there by default which has a RedirectMatch rule that you probably need to remove |
| 16:40.30 | Cosmo` | well thankfully this isn't the machine i need to work on, but i do need a write a guide for future people setting up these libraries |
| 16:40.32 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: there are a few PIC static libraries in Debian (all in packages with -pic in the name like libc6-pic), but it's only a handful |
| 16:40.33 | stew | David___: or, perhaps we could be more helpful you could give us more information, like what exactly you changed, and what exactly the url is that is giving you an error |
| 16:40.42 | stew | David___: and check /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 16:40.56 | Cosmo` | i don't really understand the fundamentals of PIC and the linker anyway, so i'm stabbing in the dark slightly |
| 16:41.45 | Cosmo` | right \amethyst, i think it's time to do something i never thought i'd have to do, it's the last straw |
| 16:41.49 | Cosmo` | i'll have to join a mailing list |
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| 16:43.07 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: :) |
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| 16:48.20 | David___ | Stoned: set to / home / www / and does not work in / home / www index.html |
| 16:48.20 | David___ | http://193.143.121.228/ |
| 16:49.03 | stoned | uhm |
| 16:49.09 | stoned | it says 'elo' |
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| 16:49.12 | stoned | David___, do what stew says |
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| 16:51.36 | David___ | stoned |
| 16:51.36 | David___ | Excuse me, stupid cookies |
| 16:51.37 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: hey, you might try when compiling the shared library -Wl,-z,defs |
| 16:51.58 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: that way if there are undefined symbols you'll get an error at link time instead of load time |
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| 16:52.38 | \amethyst | Cosmo`: which might help you track down the problem faster |
| 16:52.47 | Cosmo` | i don't think it'll be easy as that because it's not using make, it's using bjam |
| 16:53.05 | Paul_E | My shell connection terminated in the middle of upgrading through aptitude (aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) -- it was in the process of installing a kernel update. Does that update continue even though I lost my connection or will I need to somehow restore the update process? |
| 16:53.52 | \amethyst | Paul_E: the processes probably received a hangup signal and were killed |
| 16:53.52 | asg | Paul_E: you'll need to restart the process. In the future, use screen(1) to prevent this |
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| 16:54.10 | Paul_E | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. <--probably answers my question |
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| 16:55.31 | Paul_E | I've always known of screen, but I've never used it. Perhaps now's the time to learn more ;) |
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| 16:56.52 | stew | David___: can you show us the entry from /var/log/apache2/error.log that appears when one tries to load http://193.143.121.228/ ? |
| 16:57.07 | stew | Paul_E: now's the time |
| 16:57.26 | stew | i can't imagine not constantly using screen |
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| 16:58.16 | CoolCold | screen is leet |
| 16:58.19 | Paul_E | man's screen |
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| 16:58.45 | CoolCold | i can give u my screenrc if u wanna ;) |
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| 17:17.08 | karsten | Paul_E: Screen is your new God. |
| 17:18.38 | karsten | Paul_E: C-a c: create new window, C-a n: next window, C-a p: previous, C-a x: kill current, C-a d: detach, C-a s: split screen, C-a <tab>: navigate to next split screen |
| 17:20.17 | karsten | Paul_E: ... as a quickstart. There's also scrollback, cut'n'paste, naming (and listing) screens, and other stuff. The above is about 95% of what I do with screen. It completely rocks. |
| 17:20.45 | Paul_E | wow... I could have used this going back to '95! |
| 17:20.51 | stew | C-a S : split, C-a s: xon C-a q: xoff |
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| 17:21.25 | stew | C-a ? is a list of the keybindings |
| 17:21.40 | Paul_E | now if only someone made a command to reboot the machine so I wouldn't have to drive down to the data center and pull the power cord every time I upgrade the kernel... |
| 17:21.42 | David___ | |
| 17:21.42 | David___ | How to give permission for mysql root user in phpmyadmin to create a database? |
| 17:22.16 | stew | David___: the root user should already be able to create a database |
| 17:22.27 | stew | unless this is something specific to phpmyadmin, and not just mysql |
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| 17:22.40 | karsten | Paul_E: yeah, I think it |
| 17:22.46 | karsten | ... it's even older than that. |
| 17:22.52 | karsten | David___: mysql FAQ. |
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| 17:23.15 | karsten | David___: erm, root @ host or mysqlroot? |
| 17:23.33 | karsten | David___: Either way, you probably want to join #mysql. |
| 17:23.57 | karsten | Paul_E: I hope you're joking about that reboot command. |
| 17:24.04 | Paul_E | David___: ... who will promptly scold you for asking for phpmyadmin support. Try #phpmyadmin |
| 17:24.31 | Paul_E | karsten: hehe |
| 17:24.46 | karsten | Paul_E: That said, lights out, serial console (over ethernet), and/or IPMI are all helpful. |
| 17:25.21 | Paul_E | i use lights out religiously to recover misbehaving windows servers. |
| 17:25.25 | Paul_E | shudders |
| 17:25.54 | karsten | Paul_E: I'm sorry. |
| 17:26.14 | karsten | uses sledgehammers and/or Debian install disks to recover misbehaving Windows boxen. |
| 17:26.46 | babuun | //topic # |
| 17:26.48 | babuun | woops |
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| 17:28.35 | schlurchz | CoolCold: does your screenrc contain advanced magic? I'm in the mood to learn a bit :-) |
| 17:28.49 | CoolCold | well |
| 17:28.52 | enouf | offers http://goodbye-windows.com for resuscitation |
| 17:28.55 | CoolCold | not so magic, but |
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| 17:29.27 | CoolCold | http://coolcold.livejournal.com/12542.html |
| 17:29.37 | CoolCold | it's in russian, but contains screenshot :) |
| 17:30.32 | schlurchz | looks things up |
| 17:31.30 | CoolCold | it's good idea to increase scrollback buffer |
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| 17:32.40 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 17:33.27 | schlurchz | Actually, looking at my own screenrc, I find that I don't understand it any longer :-) |
| 17:33.40 | CoolCold | ((: |
| 17:33.46 | CoolCold | show it than |
| 17:33.51 | schlurchz | See: hardstatus alwayslastline "%{= kw}%?%-Lw%?%{.g}%n*%f %t%{-}%?%+Lw%? %-21=%D %d.%m.%Y %0c" |
| 17:33.58 | schlurchz | uh oh :-) |
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| 17:34.32 | Neozonz | How do I set the debian mirror? |
| 17:34.39 | schlurchz | I don't recall that magic :-9 |
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| 17:35.19 | wuffi600 | i'm running latest stable etch 4.0 with a gnome desktop. if i plug in a usbstick, a few seconds later the icon of this device is shown in nautilus' "Computer"-Windows. If i double click this icon i get the errormesassage: "libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. process 6697: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. error |
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| 17:36.11 | babuun | Neozonz: if you are referring to aptitude, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:40.15 | karsten | schlurchz: :) |
| 17:40.34 | karsten | Neozonz: apt-setup or vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:40.34 | schlurchz | karsten: but the result is *simple* :-) |
| 17:40.53 | karsten | Neozonz: Erm, looks like apt-setup doesn't exist any more. |
| 17:41.35 | karsten | Neozonz: There's an apt-config but I'm not sure it's what you want. I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list directly myself. |
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| 17:44.54 | adama_ | wuffi600: try upgrading your packages |
| 17:45.12 | adama_ | apt-get update , then apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:49.56 | Neozonz | There's nothing in the sources.1st other then the CDROM :O |
| 17:50.08 | Neozonz | manually just throw links in there or is there a sample file somewhere? |
| 17:50.37 | Neozonz | *sources.list |
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| 17:51.19 | enouf | !tell Neozonz -about sources.list |
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| 17:51.42 | lunaphyte_ | what rotates the mail.log file? i've looked through the logrotate stuff in /etc/ and don't see any references to it. i'd like to run a command before rotation takes place. |
| 17:52.10 | enouf | apt-spy should also generate a list (make a backup of original though) .. as well as netselect-apt |
| 17:52.11 | stew | lunaphyte_: syslog rotates its own files from /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
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| 17:53.15 | lunaphyte_ | stew: ah, thanks. |
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| 17:57.04 | jabis | Hello tharr ppl. How does Knoppix sniff the hardware so accurately? I'd like to incorporate some hardware sniffing on my own rescue cd set, which holds a ghost image of my current file system, the trouble is, that I would need it to work as a live cd where also, so my system specific drivers wouldn't work on another platform |
| 17:57.24 | stew | jabis: please go to #knoppix for questions about knoppix |
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| 17:58.12 | jabis | stew, I'm making a debian live cd, so it's more a debian q than a knoppix one, I'm just interested in the hardware sniffing in general |
| 17:58.35 | stew | jabis: ok, and what is your question? |
| 17:59.31 | Neaai | Is it only me who sees some "WHO entry for xyz" ? |
| 17:59.34 | stew | jabis: or, what about yoru debian system isn't already automatically detected? |
| 17:59.39 | enouf | jabis: take apart the knopppix minirt.gz and look at it's innards - especially the General Startup Script |
| 18:00.38 | jabis | stew, general "high end" stuff, like new radeon video cards and the sorts |
| 18:00.46 | jabis | enouf: thanks for the pointer |
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| 18:01.18 | stew | jabis: if you use lenny (the current testing version) that should already be detected automatically at runtime without the need for any scripting |
| 18:01.24 | enouf | jabis: i got news for you, knoppix 5.x DVD failed to sniff some Dell Dimension ~2002 era 2.2G Celery Desktop system - messes up on the Intel Video |
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| 18:02.37 | jabis | stew, these are mainly etch versions, about 20 quite similar setups, which I'll need to be administering, and updating |
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| 18:04.52 | jabis | enouf, yeah, I'ven't gotten too much into many of these live distros, this is the first time I'll be spending a _lot_ of time with debian, so I thought knoppix is the most near to debian I can get... and then I found the live cd installer :) |
| 18:05.59 | jabis | stew, thanks for the info... would it make sense to upgrade the etch setups to lenny then, or can I get this functionality just by incorporating a shitload of kernel patches? |
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| 18:06.43 | stew | jabis: this stuff works fine with the etch kernel, its the new X server v 7.3 you'd need to backport |
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| 18:07.17 | stew | jabis: but, using lenny, here is the xorg.conf i use with multiple different machines with much different hardware: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.7.3 |
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| 18:09.55 | jabis | alright, thanks for the insight, very much appreciated - the installations just got a lot easier for me :) |
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| 18:20.00 | ludal | hello everybody |
| 18:20.50 | ludal | I'm trying to activate opengl with an integrated i815 video chip, is it possible ? |
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| 18:23.05 | abrotman | ludal: with etch ? |
| 18:23.18 | ludal | yes |
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| 18:24.10 | ludal | I'm new on debian, it's for an old computer |
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| 18:25.16 | rickard_ | How can i delete oidentd from my server? |
| 18:25.41 | sussudio | rickard_: is that a trick question |
| 18:25.59 | rickard_ | no, i'm a rookie on unux :p |
| 18:26.03 | rickard_ | unix* |
| 18:26.38 | rickard_ | i killed the oident pid, and i want to start it again, but how? :P |
| 18:26.43 | sussudio | apt-get remove oidentd |
| 18:26.54 | sussudio | wait, what |
| 18:27.11 | sussudio | you said remove and now you want to restart itr |
| 18:27.14 | newsense | /etc/init.d/oidentd start |
| 18:27.17 | stew | isn't it run from inetd? |
| 18:27.32 | epsilon | how can I see the ext3 setting set with tune2fs? |
| 18:27.38 | rickard_ | well, i can remove it and install it again |
| 18:27.43 | stew | epsilon: with -l |
| 18:27.55 | rickard_ | because i need to conf it anyways |
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| 18:30.31 | rickard_ | K622:~# /etc/oidentd.conf |
| 18:30.31 | rickard_ | -bash: /etc/oidentd.conf: Permission denied |
| 18:30.35 | rickard_ | what the fuck ;o |
| 18:30.56 | stew | rickard_: oidentd.conf isnt an executable script |
| 18:31.04 | stew | rickard_: what are you trying to do? edit it? |
| 18:31.12 | rickard_ | oh :> |
| 18:31.13 | rickard_ | thx |
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| 18:37.05 | Python132O | umm, I kinda fu*ed up with one thing and now I have same twice folder with different content, only difference is the folder name first letter capitalization. How could I lowercase all folders and merge the content. And I mean an automated way |
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| 18:39.09 | stew | Python132O: you want to lowercase all the names or all files and directories? or just the directories? |
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| 18:39.26 | stew | Python132O: you want to lowercase the entire name, or just the first letter? |
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| 18:39.37 | hoxu | Python132O, by merge do you mean putting files in both directories into one directory? |
| 18:39.59 | Supaplex | I'd wait for a merge until you can compare. diff/rsync/etc |
| 18:40.38 | dkr | yes no | mv -i Folder/* folder |
| 18:41.05 | stew | what? |
| 18:41.16 | dkr | that will mv all files into the lowercase dir if there is no conflict |
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| 18:41.59 | dkr | then rmdir Folder :) |
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| 18:44.12 | Python132O | sorry was afk |
| 18:44.18 | Python132O | <hoxu> Python132O, by merge do you mean putting files in both directories into one directory? <- yes |
| 18:44.27 | Python132O | But I've got like 60+ directories |
| 18:44.29 | Python132O | and subdirectories |
| 18:44.42 | stew | Python132O: i'd rename the files, then rsync one to the other |
| 18:44.45 | Python132O | directories only |
| 18:45.06 | Python132O | stew, how to automatically lowercase them? |
| 18:45.25 | hoxu | Python132O, so there's 60+ directories, with subdirectories containing files, but how exactly do you want the subdirectories/files be put into a new directory? |
| 18:45.28 | stew | Python132O: find -type d -exec rename '$_=lc($_)' {} + |
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| 18:46.23 | Python132O | hoxu, there might be same filenames. So, it really doesn't matter if the other one gets deleted as it's the same one. Problem is the folders contain different parts of the same content |
| 18:46.43 | karsten | Python132O: You'll probalby want to run a hash on the files. |
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| 18:47.05 | hoxu | Python132O, so you want to keep the directory/file structure in each directory? Eg. Foo/bar/baz -> new/bar/baz (and not -> new/baz)? |
| 18:47.09 | Python132O | karsten, date comparison is also ok |
| 18:47.33 | karsten | Python132O: md5sum is probably good enough though collisions can occur (odds are low). SHA is pretty much bulletproof. |
| 18:47.34 | stew | Python132O: then "rsync -a onedirectory otherdirectory" will make sure that otherdirectory has any entries from either |
| 18:47.34 | Python132O | hoxy, if I understood that correctly then yes of course |
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| 18:47.52 | hoxu | Wouldn't a simple "mkdir new; mv */* new/" work for this? |
| 18:48.02 | stew | hoxu: no |
| 18:48.05 | karsten | hoxu: name collisions. |
| 18:48.07 | Python132O | stew, problem, I don't have rsynch installed and no build tools and no root access |
| 18:48.12 | karsten | hoxu: ... and need to case-convert. |
| 18:48.16 | hoxu | karsten, yes, it will leave those as-is |
| 18:48.20 | cire | hi. If ifconfig shows a lot of dropped packets, does this mean bad cable or firewall issue, or is both possible? |
| 18:48.23 | hoxu | cases can be converted separately |
| 18:48.33 | karsten | Python132O: Then move the files to a host where you do, do the conversion / move there, and move the results to the host where you don't. |
| 18:48.38 | stew | no rsync? that's shameful |
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| 18:48.58 | Python132O | karsten, over 30 gigs of data. THat's why I haven't done that :( |
| 18:49.19 | hoxu | karsten, hmm right, nevermind |
| 18:49.24 | karsten | Python132O: <shrug> You've got the options/choices. |
| 18:49.33 | hoxu | if there's stuff like a/b in one directory and a/c in another, that won't work |
| 18:50.06 | Python132O | I want to merge directories basically. The directories contain same files but also different files |
| 18:50.37 | hoxu | karsten, wouldn't "mv -f" work though? :p |
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| 18:51.12 | hoxu | nope |
| 18:51.55 | Paul_E | what's the most recent kernel available for bigmem in etch? (is it etch n half?) |
| 18:52.48 | stew | Paul_E: yes, which is a 2.4.24 kernel. there is a 2.6.26 kernel availalbe from backports; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:53.01 | stew | Python132O: this still should be pretty easily scriptable with find |
| 18:53.03 | Python132O | <stew> Python132O: find -type d -exec rename '$_=lc($_)' {} + <- ./Aj826 not renamed: ./aj826 already exists |
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| 18:53.27 | karsten | hoxu: mv -i |
| 18:53.37 | stew | Python132O: yeah, so what do you want ot do with a file named Aj826, it cannot be renamed aj826 since that file also already exists |
| 18:53.52 | Python132O | It's a directory |
| 18:54.03 | Python132O | and I want to move the stuff of big A to small a |
| 18:54.05 | hoxu | Python132O, what the heck did you do to end up with this stuff? :) |
| 18:54.06 | Python132O | possibly overwriting content |
| 18:54.21 | karsten | hoxu: ... which would be annoying. 'yes no | mv -i <source> <dest>' would, I think avoid any overwrite. |
| 18:54.43 | Python132O | hoxu, windows not caring about file case sensitivity and windows users mesisng with files plus linux filesystem ftw |
| 18:55.10 | karsten | Python132O: Is one of the directories exclusively more current than the other, or would you want to manually sort through exceptions? |
| 18:55.11 | stew | somethine like: find Aj826 -type f | while read f ; do fileinothertree=aj826${f#Aj826} ; mkdir -p $"(dirname "$fileinothertree")" ; cp -u "$f" "$fileinothertree" ; done |
| 18:55.32 | Python132O | karsten, automatically. The data is 100% same but other one might have different files |
| 18:55.52 | stew | uhh that should be mkdir -p "$(dirname... |
| 18:56.02 | karsten | Python132O: So if two files lowercase to the same name it doesn't matter which file you end up with? |
| 18:56.14 | Python132O | filenames are all same |
| 18:56.22 | Python132O | directories are f*cked up |
| 18:56.29 | Python132O | karsten, nope |
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| 18:57.28 | karsten | Python132O: Was that "nope, it doesn't matter", or "nope, it does matter"? |
| 18:57.34 | Python132O | doesn't matter |
| 18:57.48 | karsten | Python132O: Do any of the filenames include whitespace? |
| 18:58.01 | Python132O | I don't know but I'm almost sure |
| 18:58.12 | karsten | ... yes or no? |
| 18:58.13 | Python132O | hmm, yep they do |
| 18:58.25 | karsten | OK. |
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| 19:00.19 | karsten | Python132O: If files don't matter: mkdir <losercase>; mv <uppercase>/* <Uppercase>/* lowercase |
| 19:00.33 | karsten | Python132O: ... then get a listing of what you've got, redirect to a file. |
| 19:00.53 | karsten | Python132O: The safe way to do it IMO is to then use that file to create a one-time script for renaming everything. |
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| 19:01.07 | karsten | You can review the script and make sure it's going to do the right thing before running it. |
| 19:01.18 | Python132O | lowercase dir already exsists by the way |
| 19:01.23 | karsten | If you can copy rather than move the data, you have the added benefit of not losing anything. |
| 19:01.48 | Python132O | Well, I need to get rid of the uppercase folders |
| 19:01.52 | dustybin | anybody have a link what clearly tells one what all those xorg options do? |
| 19:01.54 | karsten | Python132O: I like to work with source and work, moving work back to source when I've got everything correctly done. |
| 19:02.00 | dustybin | xorg website isnt clear at all |
| 19:02.06 | Python132O | karsten, yeah good idea |
| 19:02.09 | karsten | Python132O: If you could provide a sample listing of what you've got in pastebin that would also be helpful. |
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| 19:02.26 | karsten | I think we've given you what you need (and what fits your situation). |
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| 19:02.42 | abrotman | dustybin: ask #xorg |
| 19:02.51 | dustybin | oh yeah! tar |
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| 19:03.37 | Python132O | karsten, yeah thanks :) I also found something nice from google finally |
| 19:03.39 | karsten | dustybin: What xorg options? |
| 19:03.44 | karsten | Python132O: OK. |
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| 19:04.03 | dustybin | karsten: the whole of xorg is full of options! |
| 19:04.16 | montoya83 | Hi... when KDE 4.2 beta 2 in experimental? |
| 19:04.34 | karsten | Python132O: your script will look something like "mv OLDFILE $(echo OLDFILE | tr [:upper:] [:lower:]) |
| 19:04.37 | hoxu | montoya83, ask on #debian-kde? |
| 19:04.42 | karsten | Python132O: ... which you can gin up in vim easily. |
| 19:05.00 | montoya83 | hoxu: ok ;) |
| 19:05.06 | karsten | montoya83: and/or check the excuses page for the package. |
| 19:05.33 | karsten | Python132O: It's not the most elegant solution but it does give you the option to review what you're doing before pulling the trigger. |
| 19:06.10 | stew | note that the above tr command won't handle non-ascii characters |
| 19:06.15 | stew | if that is an issue |
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| 19:07.58 | hoxu | Python132O, putting an example listing of some directory/filenames to pastebin could help us help you :p |
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| 19:12.41 | Python132O | Well, thanks to you all for the help :) I'll look back onto this issue tomorrow |
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| 19:18.36 | enouf | dustybin: man xorg.conf ? |
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| 19:19.20 | enouf | dustybin: there's also an #xorg-devel channel somewhere - go get flamed :-P |
| 19:19.46 | dustybin | aye its ok |
| 19:20.10 | dustybin | xorg is 2 parts, xorg + whatever driver your using |
| 19:20.22 | dustybin | both have important options |
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| 19:22.34 | karsten | stew: Hrm. tr isn't UTF-8 aware? |
| 19:23.26 | stew | karsten: echo ÃE | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' |
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| 19:24.17 | stew | hmm though, "echo ÃE | perl -pe '$_=lc'" doesn't work either, which i expected to work |
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| 19:25.44 | PinkFreud | stew: you might want to check the perluniintro and perlunicode man pages |
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| 19:27.13 | dkr | "You can enable automatic UTF-8-ification of your standard file handles, default "open()" layer, and @ARGV by using either the "-C" command line switch or the "PERL_UNICODE" environment variable," |
| 19:28.10 | stew | ahh, so "echo ÃE | perl -C -pe 'use utf8; $_=lc'" works |
| 19:28.21 | stew | no, use utf8 shouldn't be there |
| 19:28.23 | dkr | son't need the use utf8. just the -C |
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| 19:28.27 | stew | yeah |
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| 19:29.24 | hochron | how come 'startx' does not work? |
| 19:29.38 | hochron | I just installed debian |
| 19:29.56 | dkr | dpkg: doesn't work? |
| 19:29.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:30.45 | hochron | command no found........ do I need to put it in my $PATH? |
| 19:30.56 | stew | hochron: aptitude install xorg |
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| 19:33.20 | naitram | any Mondo gurus here? |
| 19:33.21 | hochron | stew: type that? hmmm I tried it do I need to have eth0 up? |
| 19:33.26 | rwaite | hi, i have a question. i'm looking at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ to try and figure out how far off lenny's release is. it looks like the green line measures bugs which are holding its release up - so the goal is to close all those bugs, and then lenny is released? |
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| 19:35.05 | jackweb | Hello again. I have following problem: I' |
| 19:35.40 | jackweb | I've got in Epiphany option "Work in offline" defaultly checked since I did upgrade to Lenny (stableâtesting). What's wrong? |
| 19:35.52 | jackweb | How to uncheck it for ever? |
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| 19:36.05 | jackweb | (data doesn't save after closing the browser) |
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| 19:36.32 | jackweb | have I to change something in about:config, preferences or in sth else? |
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| 19:36.56 | enouf | data doesn't save? maybe you want to try midori and file a bug against -epiphany- |
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| 19:37.13 | enouf | using etch? lenny? |
| 19:37.14 | stew | hochron: that is a command to install x. you'd need to either be on the network with network sources in /etc/apt/sources.list or you'd have to have CD1 in a cdrom entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:37.15 | dkr | ~/.gnome2/epiphany/mozilla/epiphany/prefs.js file is writable? |
| 19:37.17 | apt | that's too long, dkr |
| 19:37.33 | stew | hochron: if you didn't choose the "desktop installation" task during the install, it is normal for there to be no X installed |
| 19:37.35 | jackweb | enouf: Lenny. I did upgraded from Etch. :) |
| 19:37.42 | jackweb | dkr: ok, I'll check |
| 19:37.55 | hochron | is my installation broken?? I tried atatitude install xserver-xorg-core....I thought I did |
| 19:38.10 | enouf | jackweb: well, midori is only in sid, but you could likely just either install it, or .. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:38.36 | amphi | enouf: git! |
| 19:38.36 | enouf | judd versions midori |
| 19:38.37 | judd | enouf: midori -- sid: 0.1.0-1 |
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| 19:38.41 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:39.16 | amphi | for more regressions ;) |
| 19:39.21 | hochron | brb |
| 19:39.27 | enouf | he said xorg |
| 19:39.31 | jackweb | dkr: it's writable |
| 19:39.35 | jackweb | Midori? hm... |
| 19:39.36 | enouf | not xserver-xorg-core |
| 19:39.55 | jackweb | I'm searching what it is... :) |
| 19:40.21 | enouf | judd: visit packages.debian.org ;-) |
| 19:40.22 | judd | enouf: Error: "visit" is not a valid command. |
| 19:40.29 | enouf | er |
| 19:40.37 | enouf | jackweb: i meant you ;-) |
| 19:40.38 | stew | eh? |
| 19:40.43 | amphi | jackweb: http://wiki.xfce.org/_export/xhtml/midori_faq |
| 19:40.45 | stew | ah :) |
| 19:41.52 | hochron | fg |
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| 19:42.59 | jackweb | let me see.. |
| 19:43.34 | enouf | dkr: would there be anything reachable through gconf-editor to change epiphany settings? |
| 19:43.39 | jackweb | isn't there any option in preferences to work online for ever? |
| 19:43.48 | jackweb | [Epiphany] |
| 19:44.05 | enouf | jackweb: i wonder if for some reason, your gecko is on crack :-p |
| 19:44.06 | hochron | what does 'score -10001' mean? |
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| 19:45.20 | enouf | jackweb: since it does use mozilla, no? (isn't it a subset of somesuch)? but there used to be epiphany-browser, but now there's epiphany-gnome? who knows |
| 19:45.56 | enouf | it was buggy when i tried it .. almost ok to use, but still bloated lizards under the hood |
| 19:45.57 | hochron | I did a netinstallation and x does not work... it says xserver-xorg-core is broken.. do I have to reinstall? |
| 19:46.11 | karsten | Any suggestions on how to package a single kernel module (3ware driver, SCSI) as a .deb, for internal deployment? Source available. A model package would be helpful. |
| 19:47.03 | jackweb | enouf: so have I wait for repairing the bug? |
| 19:47.05 | karsten | Aim is to be able to handle this module sensibly on an internal cluster of several 100s machines. |
| 19:47.07 | amphi | enouf: there's a webkit port of epiphany, FWIW |
| 19:47.17 | karsten | amphi: !! |
| 19:47.18 | enouf | karsten: maybe make-kpkg and module-assistant? i think i've read some things in /usr/share/kernel-package |
| 19:47.46 | enouf | amphi: so everything i knew is ... all changed now .. great |
| 19:47.57 | karsten | enouf: I'd thought of m-a. IIUC that creates a module, not a package, right? |
| 19:48.16 | enouf | karsten: right - but make-kpkg modules_image might be of use |
| 19:48.34 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 19:48.47 | enouf | man make-kpkg :-) |
| 19:48.58 | dkr | jackweb: what is your network setup like? found some references to a similar bug when NetworkManager interfaces are down and you are using a different method and epiphany pays attention to NM only |
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| 19:49.26 | jackweb | eth0 - do you mean it? |
| 19:49.31 | hochron | I thought I did install 'desktop installation' after I told the installer to format my partitions it seems like it resumed where the other packages left off. It only downloaded 20 files. |
| 19:49.34 | mikedub | why are packages kept back if i'm doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 19:49.48 | dkr | jackweb: yeah, so you are just using a regular ethernet connection to a lan? |
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| 19:50.13 | jackweb | hm.. to router |
| 19:50.51 | enouf | karsten: the kernel handbook and other stuff from here might also help http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 19:51.05 | karsten | enouf: Sweet. I've also got Martin Krafft's book, will take a look at that. |
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| 19:51.17 | stew | karsten: m-a creates a .deb that contains one or more .ko files |
| 19:51.28 | enouf | ~$ rgrep modules_image /usr/share/kernel-package/ |
| 19:51.31 | Ralphy2k | help |
| 19:51.35 | Ralphy2k | what is a debian? |
| 19:51.39 | Ralphy2k | LOL |
| 19:52.09 | enouf | stew: oh crap - i really suck |
| 19:52.22 | karsten | stew: Ok. |
| 19:52.39 | enouf | karsten: yeah, see what stew mentioned :-p |
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| 19:53.22 | stew | i'm retiring my last 3ware card as soon as this incredibly long dd finishes :) |
| 19:53.31 | enouf | karsten: i recall now, there's prepare, build, install - http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers actually talks about the steps ;-) |
| 19:54.24 | Ralphy2k | hi everyone |
| 19:54.26 | Ralphy2k | i have a problem |
| 19:54.31 | Ralphy2k | with alcohol |
| 19:54.33 | Ralphy2k | =D |
| 19:54.34 | karsten | stew: Why's that? |
| 19:54.55 | enouf | stew: someone was here last night, on Lenny, using raid + lvm2, but not as / FS, and did aptitude update and aptitude upgrade .. and debconf got hung on the lvm2 .postinst script -- seen anything like that? |
| 19:55.02 | karsten | !tell Ralphy2k about alcohol |
| 19:55.09 | karsten | *didn't* just create that factoid |
| 19:55.56 | enouf | stew: i was trying to work through it with them, but i don't know enough about lvm2 to help that much, so .. oh .. it was grendelson or somesuch nickname |
| 19:56.05 | jabis | Ralphy, Q: what is debian? A: your god, and you should worship it, and bring gifts to my address |
| 19:56.40 | Ralphy2k | slaps jabis around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:56.42 | jabis | if you please your god, you'll be happy and relieved from your alcohol problem :P |
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| 19:56.48 | stew | karsten: becuase i'm using software raid at home now. 3ware served me very well for years. but the lure of buying a couple of huge sata drives and using software raid finally got me |
| 19:56.49 | Ralphy2k | no gift 4 u |
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| 19:57.03 | enouf | !nopony jabis |
| 19:57.04 | dpkg | jabis: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 19:57.26 | stew | enouf: istr a bug in updating the initrd in postinst |
| 19:57.29 | enouf | wishes i could do it to more than one at a time :-p |
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| 19:58.00 | Ralphy2k | why is debian a 20 disk distro? |
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| 19:58.06 | Ralphy2k | dont you think they went overboard? |
| 19:58.12 | hjb | Hi. My squirrelmail installation has stopped working |
| 19:58.34 | hjb | I haven't used it since some weeks, so i guess one of the recent updates has broken something |
| 19:58.40 | stew | Ralphy2k: people keep volunteering to maintain more and more software for it. it should be more than 20 |
| 19:58.44 | amphi | !qotd87 |
| 19:58.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd87 is <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
| 19:58.55 | enouf | stew: i wanted to suggest that - that's where my thought were, but nothing in the .postinst script text indicated any of that - it's a minimal script .. and yet, my senses told me that it's an initrd issue - however, since / was not on LVM (but /var, /usr, /lib, and /tmp are) , i thought not so much |
| 19:58.56 | stew | Ralphy2k: but note that hardly anyone, if anyone, actually needs to download all the cds |
| 19:59.13 | hjb | after going through the login page, it just says "ERROR You must be logged in to access this page.Go to the login page" |
| 19:59.18 | hjb | wHICH SUCKS :-) |
| 19:59.21 | hjb | ups |
| 19:59.35 | stew | enouf: oh, i was thinking of mdadm anyway |
| 19:59.35 | enouf | stew: thanks for your quick thoughts about it though - this occured ~ 2-3am EST last night .. so ;-) |
| 19:59.46 | Ralphy2k | whats the deal with only having one run level? |
| 20:00.22 | stew | Ralphy2k: what do you mean? debian is configured with 6 runlevels, and 4 of them are identical until you change them |
| 20:00.25 | enouf | stew: right - you just reminded me! ... crap .. i kept forgetting about mdadm involvment there .. wait .. now i can't recall IF mdadm was involced - no encryption ISTR though .. crap |
| 20:00.33 | Ralphy2k | yea |
| 20:00.35 | jabis | Ralph, you don't _need_ 20 disks for running debian, though ;) |
| 20:00.38 | Ralphy2k | i dont like that |
| 20:00.40 | enouf | takes a break .. sigh |
| 20:00.47 | dkr | oh, Ralphy2k is mkultra. now it makes sense |
| 20:00.51 | stew | Ralphy2k: can you ask a more meaningful question than "what is the deal"? |
| 20:00.53 | Ralphy2k | lol |
| 20:00.58 | Ralphy2k | LOL |
| 20:01.02 | Ralphy2k | you just noticed that? |
| 20:01.20 | Ralphy2k | ok hows this for a question |
| 20:01.24 | Ralphy2k | "wtf?" |
| 20:01.26 | dkr | I was afk. we don't all sit here waiting to be trolled by you |
| 20:01.26 | Ralphy2k | does that work? |
| 20:01.28 | Ralphy2k | =P |
| 20:01.37 | Ralphy2k | LOL |
| 20:01.40 | stew | Ralphy2k: please stop hitting enter so often. no, that is still not a good question |
| 20:01.56 | Ralphy2k | whats wrong with hitting enter? |
| 20:02.00 | stew | Ralphy2k: its annoying |
| 20:02.01 | _KaszpiR_ | d |
| 20:02.03 | _KaszpiR_ | well |
| 20:02.04 | _KaszpiR_ | you |
| 20:02.04 | _KaszpiR_ | know |
| 20:02.05 | _KaszpiR_ | you |
| 20:02.06 | _KaszpiR_ | play |
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| 20:02.09 | KDE4000 | lol |
| 20:02.10 | Ralphy2k | lol |
| 20:02.12 | _KaszpiR_ | oo |
| 20:02.12 | stew | _KaszpiR_: stop |
| 20:02.15 | _KaszpiR_ | much cs ;D |
| 20:02.24 | _KaszpiR_ | k, sorry |
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| 20:02.30 | KDE4000 | was getting flood notices o_O |
| 20:02.31 | Ralphy2k | too much cs? |
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| 20:03.00 | _KaszpiR_ | i dont like ppeople hitting too manyenters, and i know most of such users are typing like that due to the fact they learned it playing some games online |
| 20:03.16 | Ralphy2k | are you looking me up and finding my cs names, such as "cattle sex" and "brak o'bama" |
| 20:03.23 | _KaszpiR_ | where they don;t wanna waste time for text cause there is an action the can die in |
| 20:03.44 | Ralphy2k | ythen starting every sentance with a y |
| 20:03.51 | _KaszpiR_ | y |
| 20:03.52 | Ralphy2k | yred team go! |
| 20:03.52 | _KaszpiR_ | ;D |
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| 20:04.05 | _KaszpiR_ | depends on binding, thou |
| 20:04.08 | jabis | I hope one could die for flooding a channel, lol |
| 20:04.26 | Ralphy2k | death sentance for pressing enter too rapidly |
| 20:04.32 | Ralphy2k | its a suitable punishment |
| 20:04.42 | amphi | jabis: how often do we yearn for an implementation of the Remote Strangulation Protocol ;) |
| 20:04.54 | _KaszpiR_ | tell that to the guy that wanna launch nuke missiles |
| 20:04.59 | Ralphy2k | yea |
| 20:05.01 | Ralphy2k | nuke! |
| 20:05.12 | _KaszpiR_ | i'm off, gotta do some work |
| 20:05.18 | Ralphy2k | pffft |
| 20:05.22 | stew | Ralphy2k _KaszpiR_: can you guys please take the off-topic chatter elsewhere, perhaps #debain-offtopic or #defocus |
| 20:05.25 | Ralphy2k | work, whats that? |
| 20:05.43 | Ralphy2k | ever think of putting beef infront of your name stew? |
| 20:05.57 | _KaszpiR_ | -_- |
| 20:05.57 | stew | Ralphy2k: this isn't a social channel |
| 20:06.00 | jabis | oh, and I'd like an alco-lock or an IQ test before using a computer terminal, to be mandatory also x) |
| 20:06.08 | Cattle-Sex | oh yea? |
| 20:06.18 | hoxu | Cattle-Sex, I suggest you heed stew's advice before you get +q'd, which happens soon |
| 20:06.51 | hoxu | and don't start /msging people |
| 20:07.16 | Cattle-Sex | im just asking what +q'd means? |
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| 20:07.30 | stew | Cattle-Sex: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 20:07.45 | Cattle-Sex | theres a manul to this place? |
| 20:08.13 | stew | Cattle-Sex: yes, i've just showed you. please ask further questions about the network to #freenode |
| 20:08.26 | Cattle-Sex | ok |
| 20:08.31 | stew | Cattle-Sex: if you don't have any other debian related questions, i'd ask you just to keep quiet |
| 20:08.45 | Cattle-Sex | how do i tell what usb device /dev name has? |
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| 20:08.57 | _KaszpiR_ | rather using a brain |
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| 20:09.13 | Cattle-Sex | and why does my phone keep umm adding usb devices? |
| 20:09.18 | Cattle-Sex | =D |
| 20:09.24 | stew | Cattle-Sex: you can look for it in dmesg or lshal or hal-device or hal-device-manager |
| 20:09.32 | dkr | jackweb: figure out your always offline issue? found other references to folks having that problem in other distros, too. due to networkManager https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/82335 |
| 20:09.40 | Cattle-Sex | why does my dmesg look like a hurricaine? |
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| 20:10.04 | stew | Cattle-Sex: do you actually want help? or are you just here to troll? |
| 20:10.08 | jackweb | ok, i'm deleting NetworkManager... |
| 20:10.16 | jackweb | (it is a joke of course ;-)) |
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| 20:10.32 | Cattle-Sex | Bus 002 Device 030: ID 1004:6000 LG Electronics, Inc. VX4400/VX6000 Cellphone |
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| 20:10.44 | nullboy | Cattle-Sex: go to bed, you've clearly been up too long. you were fine in the other channel before. what is your issue now? |
| 20:10.49 | Cattle-Sex | are you guys like a bridge, that im under? |
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| 20:11.10 | stew | Cattle-Sex: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
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| 20:12.01 | _KaszpiR_ | don't feed the troll |
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| 20:15.54 | jabis | _KaszpiR_, you're wrong - you feed the troll it's heart ;) |
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| 20:18.47 | pleed | Hello, i ve got a server pc which has 3 Hdds (each 300Gb). now i parted each into 2 partitions (each one for boot) and the other ones are in a raid5. then i made an LUKS over it and created an LVM. now when booting debian cant open the raid device |
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| 20:19.08 | pleed | i d like to chroot into the system |
| 20:19.27 | pleed | so i booted an ubuntu but i dont know how to activate the raid |
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| 20:22.31 | Cattle-Sex | am i out of time out yet? |
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| 20:30.01 | pleed | when i cat /proc/mdstat there are no raid devices shown, what can i do? |
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| 20:30.51 | zxcvbs | hi does anyone knows about ps2 keyboards? |
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| 20:32.06 | dkr | pleed: use mdadm to add it? |
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| 20:32.56 | stew | zxcvbs: just assume someone does, and ask the real question |
| 20:33.39 | pleed | dkr: trying that |
| 20:33.58 | pleed | dkr: the raid is already built, i just would like to mount my root into a subdir |
| 20:34.07 | zxcvbs | im stuck on the pcb, and dont kwnot what wires to connect (the colors are not the same from one to one) |
| 20:34.24 | stew | zxcvbs: perhaps try #hardware |
| 20:34.33 | zxcvbs | thanks |
| 20:34.43 | stew | zxcvbs: err, ##hardware |
| 20:34.46 | mikedub | I have a LAMP VPS doing nothing. 99% idle. any suggestions for exciting uses of potential number-crunching power? |
| 20:34.54 | nullboy | zxcvbs: are you replacing a cable? |
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| 20:35.09 | zxcvbs | yes, a microsoft natural multimedia keyboard |
| 20:35.14 | nullboy | zxcvbs: you just trace the wires to the pins on each cable and create a map. |
| 20:35.17 | nullboy | done. |
| 20:35.27 | mikedub | or buy a new keyboard, man. |
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| 20:35.30 | nullboy | lol |
| 20:35.43 | zxcvbs | yeah but the head connector got broken, without wires |
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| 20:35.51 | zxcvbs | dont have way to trace it |
| 20:36.04 | zxcvbs | yeah, but i want this keyboard |
| 20:36.13 | RichiH | is there a canonical way to apt-get build-dep and remove the dev packages etc later? |
| 20:36.13 | mikedub | wow it's one of those ugly $20 ones |
| 20:36.18 | nullboy | sounds like you're screwed then since color coding doesn't mean jack, really |
| 20:36.23 | zxcvbs | have also a natural elite, but the colors are not the same |
| 20:36.34 | RichiH | i.e. deborphanesce |
| 20:36.35 | nullboy | search the internet for pinouts for that keyboard |
| 20:36.38 | ChrisW | hi all, why would the space available on a partition not be equal to the size minus the amount used? (this is all according to df) |
| 20:37.04 | stew | RichiH: nope, peterS has a script using aptitude and equivs on p12n.org, but i'm not sure its working |
| 20:37.13 | RichiH | k |
| 20:37.38 | RichiH | oh well, it's only 60 MiB, anyway |
| 20:37.42 | simonrvn | ChrisW: the 5% reserved for root thing |
| 20:37.44 | stew | RichiH: i just use pbuilder/cowbuilder as much as possible these days |
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| 20:38.26 | twoten | Help! I can only access my scanner as root ... |
| 20:38.30 | ChrisW | simonrvn: what that? my usb backup disk failed to mount so I've been backing up to the system disk, which has run down to zero... deleted quite a bit but still not managed to get more than 1Mb of free space yet :-S |
| 20:38.42 | stew | twoten: add userself to the scanner group with "adduser username scanner" then logout and log back in |
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| 20:39.01 | twoten | ok, let's see... |
| 20:39.16 | RichiH | stew: i have to admit i did not know of pbuilder, before |
| 20:39.20 | simonrvn | ChrisW: could also be the journal. those are likely things. |
| 20:39.22 | RichiH | stew: it sounds great, though |
| 20:40.05 | ChrisW | it's annoying how slow mv is between the two disks, 200G seems to take about 8hrs to move... |
| 20:40.15 | twoten | ok I'm logging out, if I'mm attacked make sure you send the cops! |
| 20:41.12 | stew | RichiH: just "pbuilder --create", the instead of "debbuild" or 'dpkg-buildpackage..." you can run "pdebuild" and it untars a clean chroot, installs the build-deps, builds, and your clean chroot tarball is left untouched |
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| 20:41.29 | stew | RichiH: and you can setup multiple, like one for sid, one for lenny, one for i386... |
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| 20:41.54 | stew | RichiH: cowbuilder is the same but "pdebuild --pbuilder cowbuilder" and it uses a chroot that does "copy on write" instead of a tarball so its a little faster |
| 20:44.23 | zxcvbs | <nullboy> dont found anything about pcb keyboard pinouts |
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| 20:44.55 | zxcvbs | or with colour wiring |
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| 20:47.37 | nullboy | zxcvbs: i found the answer..... http://www.consumerdepot.com/products.asp?id=B2M-00012D&referer=google |
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| 20:53.03 | twoten | Help! I can only see my scanner as root even when I'm a scanner user! |
| 20:53.32 | stew | twoten: when you type "groups" is scanner listed? |
| 20:53.53 | twoten | yes |
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| 20:55.02 | twoten | I had to install a brother scanner driver to access the scanner function of my multi-purpose machine |
| 20:55.20 | twoten | could it be that my driver doesn't have the right permission? |
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| 20:56.08 | pleed | When creating a software raid, is it necessary to wait for the resync to complete before rebooting the system? |
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| 20:58.16 | merlea | Is vboxgtk being actively developed? |
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| 20:59.14 | abrotman | developed or packaged? |
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| 21:00.05 | merlea | Are they going to add usb to the ose for debian in the future? |
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| 21:04.43 | smultron | is there a `diff` like utility that will check CSVs instead of each line? |
| 21:04.43 | quentusrex23 | What is a good dns software that will use either mysql or postgresql for the data storage? |
| 21:05.20 | quentusrex23 | Something like mydns. Are there any other choices? |
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| 21:06.04 | elijahwright | e.g powerdns? |
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| 21:07.11 | uva | hi |
| 21:07.11 | stew | quentusrex23: you might try something like: aptitude search 'dns~Dlibmysqlclient15' |
| 21:07.14 | uva | is there some init.d script to initial svn server? |
| 21:07.32 | uva | i apt-get install svn and found there is no added script for svn server |
| 21:08.00 | stew | uva: subversion: /usr/bin/svnserve |
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| 21:08.09 | uva | ya |
| 21:08.11 | uva | i know |
| 21:08.20 | elijahwright | http://linux.justinhartman.com/Startup_Script_for_Subversion |
| 21:08.21 | dramen | hi |
| 21:08.28 | uva | but if i need it to be start at boot? |
| 21:08.32 | uva | oh |
| 21:09.10 | hanibana | is there any counterpart for FreeBSD Pors Collection in Linux world ? |
| 21:09.11 | dramen | how can i list all the files of an installed package |
| 21:09.29 | dramen | should be possible |
| 21:09.31 | hanibana | dramen: dpkg -L pack |
| 21:09.44 | hanibana | for debian |
| 21:09.56 | stew | uva: you can run it via inetd |
| 21:10.07 | dramen | thanks |
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| 21:10.23 | uva | hm...thanks stew |
| 21:10.30 | elijahwright | uva: actually if i were you i'd enhance what's at the URL i pasted - it doesn't know how to use PID files, etc. you might want that. |
| 21:10.37 | stew | uva: try looking at the svnwrap manpage from subversion-tools |
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| 21:12.51 | twoten | I can see my scanner as root but not as a user, even tho I'm a member of scanner group! |
| 21:13.58 | stew | twoten: do you know which /dev entry corresponds to your scanner? |
| 21:14.15 | twoten | umm, do I do an lsusb? |
| 21:14.50 | stew | twoten: is xsane or libsane installed? |
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| 21:16.03 | twoten | yes, both of them, they both run fine on their own and from the gimp but only as root can they see the scanner |
| 21:16.05 | FoobarWidget | when running 'apt-get upgrade', it tells me that some packages have been held back |
| 21:16.12 | FoobarWidget | I've never given apt the command to hold something back |
| 21:16.19 | FoobarWidget | how do I "un-hold" these packages? |
| 21:18.15 | Penix | !unhold |
| 21:18.16 | dpkg | it has been said that unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 21:18.38 | quieteyes | FoodbarWidget, apt decides when it holds them |
| 21:19.01 | FoobarWidget | quieteyes: I'm creating debian packages |
| 21:19.02 | stew | !unhold is also "aptitude unhold packagename" if the package is held in aptitude |
| 21:19.03 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 21:19.16 | FoobarWidget | and apt is keeping these packages back |
| 21:19.26 | stew | FoobarWidget: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 21:19.29 | FoobarWidget | if apt has a good reason to hold them back then I'd like to know why so that I can fix my packages |
| 21:19.51 | FoobarWidget | every google search suggests that one must run "dist-upgrade" |
| 21:19.53 | FoobarWidget | but I don't know why |
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| 21:20.33 | stew | FoobarWidget: "apt-get upgrade" will refuse to upgrade a package that would require a new one to be installed or for one to be removed. dist-upgrade will try to install/remove as necessary (this is the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade) |
| 21:20.34 | FoobarWidget | when I type 'apt-get install -s foo' (where 'foo' is the name of said package) it seems to work just fine |
| 21:20.37 | stew | FoobarWidget: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 21:20.51 | FoobarWidget | stew: I did, dpkg says that it's because of unresolved dependencies |
| 21:20.54 | stew | FoobarWidget: right, becuase 'apt-get isntall" IS willing to install new package or remove old packages |
| 21:21.06 | \amethyst | printf is probably better anyway, but you should be careful |
| 21:21.08 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:21.12 | stew | FoobarWidget: right |
| 21:21.13 | Penix | FoobarWidget: there you go then. it does has a good reason |
| 21:21.18 | Penix | s/has/have/ |
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| 21:21.49 | stew | FoobarWidget: becuae the newer package have dependencies which can only be reosolved by adding new packages or removing packages |
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| 21:23.36 | FoobarWidget | so if an updated package has more dependencies than the old one then apt will hold it back? |
| 21:23.47 | FoobarWidget | why is this so? |
| 21:23.58 | Guerin | FoobarWidget: precautionary principle |
| 21:24.06 | FoobarWidget | what can go wrong? |
| 21:24.14 | Guerin | depends on the packages |
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| 21:28.33 | blubberdiblub | FoobarWidget, well, you might simply not want to install the dependant packages |
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| 21:33.25 | twoten | when I run sane-find-scanner as root it finds the scanner but as a user it does not |
| 21:35.02 | stew | twoten: do you know which file in the /dev/ subdirectory corresponds to your scanner? |
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| 21:35.26 | twoten | just looking there now ... |
| 21:36.07 | twoten | I think I have it ... yes |
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| 21:39.09 | twoten | how can I know for sure which /dev entry is my scanner? |
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| 21:39.47 | bolt | Is there any specific reason why one would want to switch to UTF-8, other than that many programs will look funny? |
| 21:40.13 | twoten | it helps you with your Cantonese |
| 21:40.42 | bolt | and if i'm not asian? |
| 21:40.51 | blubberdiblub | and other languages' characters, too |
| 21:41.02 | simonrvn | doesn't matter, helps all over |
| 21:41.06 | twoten | then you will have to learn |
| 21:41.09 | bolt | I only use english and norwegian, and those letters are already in |
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| 21:41.30 | warchief_ryan | how do I configure gcc.4.1? Was trying to install my kernel headers and gave me a dependency problem of gcc not yet configured |
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| 21:43.54 | bolt | how do I know if the font I use (terminus) supports UTF-8? it says: The following charsets are supported: western European Latin, central European Latin, Turkish Latin, Romanian Latin, Slavic Cyrillic and Asian Cyrillic (Bashkyr, Kazakh, Mongolian and others) |
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| 21:45.08 | Kraftzwerk | i would be most obliged if anyone using a EEE 1000H would msg me |
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| 21:46.04 | blubberdiblub | Kraftzwerk, why don't you just ask your question on the channel if it is debian related? |
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| 21:47.17 | abrotman | keta: he has returned! |
| 21:47.44 | warchief_ryan | dependency problem, gcc not yet configured? how do I configure it then? |
| 21:47.48 | Kraftzwerk | blubberdiblub: just to irritate you |
| 21:48.03 | bolt | When my files with norwegian characters and all have been written to my file system with the en_US.ISO-8859-15 locale, will switching to UTF-8 screw them up? if so, what can I do to avoid that? |
| 21:48.05 | abrotman | Kraftzwerk: very likely no one will msg me .. best to ask in the channel |
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| 21:48.16 | abrotman | warchief_ryan: dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:48.50 | \amethyst | bolt: if you have an editor like vim or gedit that auto-detects the encoding, you should be file |
| 21:49.02 | merlea | how do I find my messages in pidgin? |
| 21:49.14 | \amethyst | bolt: *fine. Otherwise, you'll need to convert them with iconv -f latin9 -t utf8 |
| 21:49.36 | bolt | \amethyst: ah. thanks |
| 21:49.37 | blubberdiblub | bolt, do you mean the contents or filenames? if you mean filenames, you can convert them with convmv |
| 21:49.48 | bolt | blubberdiblub: filenames |
| 21:49.51 | \amethyst | ahh |
| 21:50.02 | \amethyst | bolt: I was talking about contents |
| 21:50.26 | bolt | \amethyst: so convmv, then? |
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| 21:50.49 | \amethyst | or something like that; I'm not aware of that particular program |
| 21:50.55 | blubberdiblub | bolt: using convmv is similar. convmv -f iso8859-15 -t utf-8 -r --notest /yourpathyouwanttorecursivelyconvert |
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| 21:51.48 | blubberdiblub | bolt: leave out the option --notest first to see what it would do, and then apply it for actually carrying out the conversion |
| 21:52.06 | warchief_ryan | abrotman: I dont understand, just do that to the deb? |
| 21:52.17 | doudou1 | What do i need to program with mono? cant find windows.form accessibility or i dont know |
| 21:52.24 | simonrvn | no just run that |
| 21:52.37 | simonrvn | doudou1: search for it |
| 21:53.07 | warchief_ryan | ok oh thanks all |
| 21:53.15 | doudou1 | i found mono site, but nothing is availaible |
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| 21:53.28 | simonrvn | not the mono site... |
| 21:53.45 | bolt | blubberdiblub: great! :D |
| 21:53.59 | \amethyst | doudou1: you need libmono-winforms2.0-cil |
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| 21:55.37 | \amethyst | doudou1: http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms on the web site, libmono-winforms2.0-cil (and 1.0) in debian |
| 21:56.10 | qwertz | Hi, is there a way to forward all mails that go to exim to only one (external) mail address? |
| 21:56.59 | nkuttler | qwertz: sure |
| 21:57.01 | bolt | another utf-8 question: this thingy from 2004 http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/howto.html says the console doesn't support line drawing characters. the real, non-x console, that is. has that changed, or will it still look screwed up? |
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| 21:57.27 | qwertz | nkuttler: any further help/link/paste? |
| 21:57.32 | blubberdiblub | bolt, it depends on the console charset and mapping you're using |
| 21:57.52 | nkuttler | qwertz: /etc/aliases? ask a more specific question |
| 21:58.13 | petemc | seemed specific enough to me |
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| 21:58.50 | \amethyst | bolt: unfortunately, the console (at least without fbconsole) only supports something like 256 or 512 glyphs at a time; fonts like Terminus are likely to skip the line-drawing characters in favor of supporting more languages |
| 21:58.55 | nkuttler | petemc: feel free to answer him :) |
| 21:59.07 | qwertz | nkuttler: afaik this would only work for local addresses but it's my dev box so if I test a mail to a customers address I want it to get to my private address |
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| 22:00.04 | bolt | \amethyst: but i am already using terminus in the console, and it has the line drawing characters, though with the 8859-15 charset |
| 22:00.08 | nkuttler | qwertz: no, man etc-aliases |
| 22:00.10 | petemc | qwertz: i dont believe you can do it easily using debconf to configure exim, but it would be simple to add a router to forward all mail |
| 22:00.15 | bolt | \amethyst: oh. right. me slow. |
| 22:00.26 | bolt | \amethyst: more languages, less lines |
| 22:00.30 | simonrvn | ops: need a topic change shortly |
| 22:00.33 | petemc | qwertz: do you want all mail, or just mail for valid users? |
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| 22:01.03 | simonrvn | abrotman, stew, dondelelcaro: need a topic change shortly -- etch r6 |
| 22:01.07 | \amethyst | bolt: in X this isn't a problem |
| 22:01.10 | qwertz | petemc: all mail from this dev server should go to my normal mail box |
| 22:01.30 | stew | not me. its time for me to go bowling |
| 22:01.40 | blubberdiblub | bolt, try pstree and look if it outputs line drawing characters, ascii-art replacements or gibberish |
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| 22:01.41 | simonrvn | abrotman: see #d@oftc ;) |
| 22:01.52 | simonrvn | stew: hehe, have fun |
| 22:02.35 | petemc | qwertz: you can use the smarthost option of dpkg-reconfigure to do that |
| 22:02.36 | nkuttler | qwertz: you should configure a catchall then as well |
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| 22:04.03 | petemc | nkuttler: on reflection it seems you were correct, its not that specific, apologies! |
| 22:04.14 | nkuttler | petemc: np :) |
| 22:04.47 | simonrvn | s/shortly/fairly shortly/ |
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| 22:05.13 | qwertz | petemc: thanks will try the smarthost option |
| 22:05.31 | doudou1 | \amethyst i am ok, with mono-mcs, but to compile with winforms using mcs hello.cs -pkg:dotnet, complains dotnet pacage not found |
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| 22:07.10 | AngusRF | hi there, I'm trying to burn a DVD+R DL with Brasero 0.8.0, but it says it cannot do that with the current plugins. I found on the web that there were prior versions that were multiply reported not to burn DLs. But according to a changelog I saw, this was fixed in version 0.7.9. Now does one of you by any chance know how to fix that? |
| 22:07.11 | \amethyst | doudou1: did you install the libmono-winforms* package ? |
| 22:07.30 | doudou1 | yes i did both 1.0 and 2.0 |
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| 22:09.29 | doudou1 | i libmono-winforms1.0-cil - Mono System.Windows.Forms library |
| 22:09.29 | doudou1 | i libmono-winforms2.0-cil - Mono System.Windows.Forms library |
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| 22:10.17 | \amethyst | doudou1: you might also need libmono-microsoft7.0-cil and maybe some other packages |
| 22:10.56 | doudou1 | first i aptitude install mono, then the 2 lib yoy said, then mono-mcs and mono-gmcs because i couyld not compile test programs of the site |
| 22:11.28 | doudou1 | but know mono send error in winforms test programs of http://mono-project.com/Mono_Basics |
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| 22:12.00 | Ricoshady | I have see a package in the backports collection, how do I use apt to get it? |
| 22:12.01 | \amethyst | doudou1: it should say a certain dll is missing. you can do apt-file search <the name of that dll> to find what package it comes from |
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| 22:12.58 | doudou1 | a dll? i am not under wine, i am on fluxbox, cant work this way? |
| 22:13.02 | SARGuy | hey everyone, i'm having issues connecting my deb boxes to AD. i've setup all the KRB5 and Samba configs but am unable to join the domain. I keep getting "Server not found in Kerberos database" Googled that error and haven't found anything useful... soooo, i'm turning to the experts. |
| 22:13.12 | \amethyst | doudou1: compiling the sample program I need at least libmono-microsoft, libmono-winforms, libmono-cscompmgd, libmono-oracle (for some reason), and libmono-system-ldap |
| 22:13.33 | \amethyst | doudou1: .NET uses .dll to refer to shared libraries, and mono keeps the name |
| 22:13.59 | \amethyst | doudou1: they're .NET CIL, not Windows binaries |
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| 22:14.56 | mohadib | er |
| 22:15.03 | mohadib | what ntp daemon should i use |
| 22:15.10 | mohadib | ntpd is not in apt anymore it would seem |
| 22:15.11 | \amethyst | doudou1: the 7.0 and 1.0 packages are for mcs (C# 1.0), 8.0 and 2.0 for gmcs (C# 2.0) |
| 22:15.24 | \amethyst | mohadib: it's in the package ntp now |
| 22:15.30 | mohadib | ahh thanks |
| 22:15.38 | AngusRF | (just in case someone finds a log of this on the web: I just found out you should try installing the dvd+rw-tools ) |
| 22:15.39 | doudou1 | well, seem mono will not be pythonlike, pain is to come |
| 22:15.42 | Ricoshady | any one know how I can use apt to access the backports? |
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| 22:16.31 | doudou1 | i read http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org |
| 22:16.50 | \amethyst | doudou1: oh, libmono-system-messaging*-cil as well |
| 22:17.41 | doudou1 | The MonoDevelop IDE can be installed with the monodevelop package. |
| 22:18.01 | doudou1 | aptitude search monodevelop -> '' |
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| 22:18.25 | \amethyst | doudou1: it's not in etch |
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| 22:18.46 | \amethyst | doudou1: monodevelop is in lenny and sid, but didn't make it into etch in time |
| 22:18.48 | davidisko | is anyone using some hp smart array on debian amd64? |
| 22:18.51 | doudou1 | there is a big problem with names here, names change always, did you mother fail to explain how she did to name you? |
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| 22:20.12 | craigevil | Ricoshady: the instructions are on the backports.org page |
| 22:20.12 | doudou1 | i spend a lot of time coming here asking about who is in which package and so one, and tell the man to put his ggogle where he likes |
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| 22:21.06 | \amethyst | !search |
| 22:21.06 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 22:21.20 | \amethyst | that only helps if you know what file you're looking for, but it is helpful |
| 22:21.31 | abrotman | simonrvn: eh what? |
| 22:21.53 | \amethyst | using that along with the error messages from mcs and gmcs is how I found what packages are necessary to make the demo compile |
| 22:22.20 | \amethyst | I'm surprised there aren't dependencies in place between the Debian packages |
| 22:22.45 | simonrvn | abrotman: doesn't matter right now |
| 22:22.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: when will it matter? |
| 22:22.59 | \amethyst | I see no reason why this program should require libmono-system-ldap1.0-cil for example, unless it's simply that one of the other libraries depends on it (in which case there should be a package dependency) |
| 22:23.01 | simonrvn | when it does |
| 22:23.19 | abrotman | hrm .. i'm winging, stew bowling .. it's a full moon .. what could go wrong |
| 22:23.32 | simonrvn | everything! |
| 22:23.41 | simonrvn | i'm eating pizza |
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| 22:23.56 | Guerin | nipper demands food |
| 22:24.11 | Guerin | however the maker of food is showering |
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| 22:25.15 | Guerin | they do indeed |
| 22:25.31 | Guerin | not only attractive, but highly functional |
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| 22:26.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 22:28.07 | LoveGuru | I just Compile a kernel, now when i try to boot with that kernel gave me error " Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)? what i did wrong? anyone ? |
| 22:28.38 | vdette | Hi all.. very small trivial q: How do I list only the names of directories using ls? i.e. what option do I need to give it? |
| 22:28.41 | simonrvn | still? |
| 22:28.56 | simonrvn | vdette: leave off -l |
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| 22:29.22 | Guerin | LoveGuru: you failed to build in your filesystem module or your root device driver |
| 22:29.33 | \amethyst | vdette: It's not entirely clear what you mean... do you want to show only directories and not files, or do you mean you want to show directories listed on the command line and not their contents, or something else? |
| 22:29.49 | LoveGuru | Guerin: do i have to recompile it again ? or i can do something to working out? |
| 22:30.02 | Guerin | LoveGuru: you have to recompile. And do it properly this time. |
| 22:30.30 | LoveGuru | Guerin" could u please tell me what/where i did something wrong ? |
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| 22:30.46 | vdette | \amethyst, My intention is to show only directories and not files (first option ;)). Couldn't find it in man. |
| 22:30.49 | simonrvn | he's been at it for a few days... |
| 22:31.03 | Guerin | LoveGuru: I did. If it doesn't mean anything to you then you have no business compiling a kernel; use the debian kernels. |
| 22:31.16 | \amethyst | vdette: there's not an option to ls for that, but you might be able to get by with ls -d */ |
| 22:31.22 | simonrvn | vdette: oh, then filter your output from ls then |
| 22:31.51 | \amethyst | vdette: the glob */ will expand to only directories, and -d makes ls show the directories themselves and no their contents |
| 22:31.57 | LoveGuru | Guerin: its not the business one.. i m trying to compile what i need like name of mybox at uname -a something |
| 22:31.58 | \amethyst | vdette: or ls -l | grep ^d |
| 22:32.29 | \amethyst | vdette: presumably you're going to use the result somehow... how are you using it? |
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| 22:32.51 | Guerin | LoveGuru: as I said: build your root device driver and your filesystem into the kernel. If you don't know what that means, use the stock debian kernel. |
| 22:33.10 | davidisko | anyone using HPACUCLI on debian amd64? |
| 22:33.11 | vdette | simonrvn, \amethyst's solution with the glob is prettier ;) |
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| 22:33.52 | vdette | \amethyst, Am going to use it just to manouvre around filesystem in a (for me) comfortable way |
| 22:34.08 | simonrvn | vdette: i misunderstood your question, since it wasn't very clear until you clarified |
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| 22:34.20 | LoveGuru | Guerin: if i don't learn howto do that? then i never can do something myself ever? So try to learn. :< |
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| 22:35.04 | Guerin | LoveGuru: yes. I've told you what you need to do and there are thousands of websites which will tell you in detail how to make it so. Go to it! You might also ask in #kernelnewbies |
| 22:35.31 | vdette | simonrvn, sorry for not beeing clear on that... I'm still learning how to use it all... explaining and asking a question in the right way is a bit difficult at times, becouse the system used is capable of nearly everything. |
| 22:35.34 | simonrvn | LoveGuru: in menuconfig [X] means "built-in" and [M] means module. as explained in the help at the top. |
| 22:35.37 | LoveGuru | Guerin: thankyou so much.. |
| 22:36.14 | LoveGuru | simonrvn: yep i knew that.. i think i used M instead using X |
| 22:36.25 | simonrvn | vdette: but yeh, \amethyst's is OK, but won't show dot dirs even with -A/-a |
| 22:37.11 | simonrvn | LoveGuru: hrm, i think both x-based ones use [circle] for modular and [checkmark] for built-in |
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| 22:37.48 | LoveGuru | simonrvn: alright thanks for the information. |
| 22:38.11 | vdette | vdette, damn... you're right. Hah.. still have to go for the pipe grep solution... yeah, figuring these things out is actually fun |
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| 22:38.56 | simonrvn | yeh, grepping for d in the ls output seems like a hack to me... |
| 22:39.20 | \amethyst | and makes it next to impossible to extract just the filename |
| 22:39.25 | simonrvn | try ls -d *(/) |
| 22:39.37 | simonrvn | that's a zsh thing though |
| 22:40.03 | simonrvn | doesn't work in bash |
| 22:40.24 | simonrvn | \amethyst: yeh |
| 22:40.26 | vdette | simonrvn, ah... using bash here. |
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| 22:41.10 | simonrvn | in bash you might need to use [] or {} perhaps....? |
| 22:42.00 | simonrvn | no... |
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| 22:42.14 | \amethyst | what's the problem? |
| 22:42.18 | simonrvn | reads the manual |
| 22:42.22 | \amethyst | you want all directories including dot directories? |
| 22:42.27 | simonrvn | trying to get dot dirs too |
| 22:42.43 | vdette | \amethyst, yes, that's the idea |
| 22:42.47 | simonrvn | works fine on "non-dot" |
| 22:42.50 | \amethyst | one way would be (shopt -s dotglob; ls -d */) |
| 22:43.23 | \amethyst | that will still skip . and .. |
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| 22:43.47 | \amethyst | another way, if you don't want to skip . and .., is ls -d */ .*/ |
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| 22:44.48 | \amethyst | or if you do want to skip them ls -d */ .[^.]* ..?* but that's not entirely safe because ..?* is likely to have no matches, so you need shopt -s nullglob |
| 22:44.54 | simonrvn | yeh you gotta enable dotglob |
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| 22:45.43 | vdette | Wow... never heard of shopt before just yet. |
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| 22:50.47 | vdette | thanks all for the help, it is working like a charm! |
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| 22:51.10 | Gigantic | what else apart of HAL do I need to make the system to automount stuff? |
| 22:51.28 | luke3321 | fstab? |
| 22:51.32 | luke3321 | might be wrong |
| 22:51.37 | luke3321 | but i think thas it |
| 22:51.43 | Gigantic | like, I enter a cdrom, I want it to automatically create a folder under /media and mount it |
| 22:52.08 | jabis | okie boys, where can I dig up radeon hd 4670 drivers for lenny, my precious card is nao running at a funny resolution and I can't change display options from anywhere, just tried to reinstall the radeon dbg's from apt, but no change, it's either black screen or a desktop where I use mouse to hover around the resolutions |
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| 22:56.43 | twobitsprite | Debian doesn't have advent? |
| 22:57.28 | Guerin | twobitsprite: you tell us. |
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| 22:59.44 | twobitsprite | Guerin: aptitude search doesn't find it |
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| 23:00.03 | twobitsprite | I'm moreso expressing surprise, not really asking |
| 23:01.23 | Guerin | twobitsprite: is it the 1980s text adventure? |
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| 23:09.54 | Nielske | okay how does it work here, am I allowed to just shoot a question? |
| 23:10.30 | mavhc | yes |
| 23:10.30 | zibri | yes, please go ahead |
| 23:10.42 | GSaldana | i was about to ask the same thing |
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| 23:11.18 | Nielske | I am getting E: Method http has died unexpectedly! whenever I do aptitude update |
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| 23:11.54 | Feeernando | hi |
| 23:12.30 | Nielske | I searched google for it, changed mirrors, changed http to ftp, |
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| 23:13.16 | GSaldana | what do I need in lenny for it to recognize my laptop multimedia keys (volume basically) like ubuntu does automatically? I'm currently using xmodmap but I have to load my config file every time. |
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| 23:14.26 | amoe | Anyone know a WAV player with a curses interface? |
| 23:14.40 | amoe | just needs to be able to seek forward and back |
| 23:14.47 | Feeernando | hg |
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| 23:15.09 | Guerin | amoe: mplayer |
| 23:15.26 | amoe | good point! |
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| 23:15.50 | Guerin | GSaldana: make your xmodmap command run when your x session starts |
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| 23:18.54 | GSaldana | Guerin: where do I place the command? How does ubuntu detects them automatically? Is there any extra package needed in lenny to do it? |
| 23:19.58 | \amethyst | ubuntu probably uses some kind of GNOME multimedia keys program, but I don't know which one |
| 23:20.19 | \amethyst | if you can find out which one, it's likely to be in Debian so you can install it |
| 23:20.25 | Guerin | GSaldana: the classical way is to put your command in ~/.xsession - but I don't know whether gdm, etc. obey such traditions. No extra packages required. |
| 23:20.48 | \amethyst | but if you've got your .Xmodmap created already there's no reason to do that and risk having them detected wrong |
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| 23:21.29 | ryanCH | linux shows to mount a cdrom with, "mount /media/cdrom" |
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| 23:21.50 | ryanCH | but what if you have more than just 2 cdrom drives, how do you specify witch one you want mounted? |
| 23:21.58 | Guerin | ryanCH: man fstab |
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| 23:22.17 | \amethyst | for file in *; do [ -d "$file" ] && echo "$file" > directories.list; done |
| 23:22.19 | \amethyst | gah |
| 23:22.36 | Guerin | !pal \amethyst |
| 23:22.36 | dpkg | points at \amethyst and laughs uproariously |
| 23:22.37 | stdisease | ryanCH: also, man mount |
| 23:23.15 | sharp15 | i'm trying to remove the mpd package from my lenny system. however i keep getting "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" but no other information. anyone know what to do about this? |
| 23:24.12 | Guerin | sharp15: try aptitude -f install; |
| 23:24.12 | GSaldana | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:24.22 | Guerin | sharp15: if it doesn't run clean, post full output to paster |
| 23:24.26 | Guerin | GSaldana: welcome. |
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| 23:25.17 | \amethyst | "symbolic link" is the Unix term |
| 23:25.23 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:25.50 | GSaldana | \amethyst: i use kubuntu/ubuntu and it detects the keys automatically on both, so it must be something else. |
| 23:26.04 | jabis | who was the kind soul who provided the Xorg.conf link a bit earlier,, I can't seem to get my radeon to cope |
| 23:26.13 | GSaldana | well.. not using it anymore. I'm on lenny now |
| 23:26.17 | Guerin | jabis: cope with what? |
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| 23:26.53 | jabis | It's a radeon hd 4670, so can't find any drivers for it VT730 support |
| 23:27.06 | jabis | on lenny |
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| 23:27.29 | stdisease | catalyst 8.12 from ATI doesn't work? |
| 23:27.36 | jabis | I can't change any display options whatsoever and need to ctrl alt plus to find a ridiculous screen size |
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| 23:28.31 | jabis | stdisease, nope, it just shot the screen black with random coloured pixels on it |
| 23:29.25 | stdisease | jabis: the release notes say 4670 is supported |
| 23:29.26 | jabis | the knoppix 5.1 did find and configure this radeon correctly and now I'm wondering why lenny doesn't do the same |
| 23:29.57 | stdisease | jabis, try X -configure |
| 23:30.03 | adomas | where I can see what debian packages are in stable repository? google does not work for me, sorry :( |
| 23:30.38 | adomas | something wrong with DNS, debian.org does not resolve, maybe there is alternative? |
| 23:30.50 | jabis | then I'll need to get out of kde again goddamnit :S |
| 23:30.55 | jabis | ok brb |
| 23:31.00 | stdisease | k |
| 23:31.08 | sharp15 | Guerin: there are no errors mentioned in aptitude's output. the output of "aptitude remove mpd" is here http://pastebin.ca/1288167 |
| 23:31.19 | stdisease | adomas: you configured /etc/resolv.conf correctly? |
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| 23:31.44 | adomas | stdisease: its dhcp |
| 23:31.50 | adomas | my ISP is very poor |
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| 23:32.07 | adomas | I live in 3rd world country |
| 23:32.20 | adomas | so is there alternatives? |
| 23:32.32 | stdisease | this whole fkn world is a 3rd world country |
| 23:32.42 | stdisease | adomas: using dhcp client? |
| 23:32.53 | adomas | yes |
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| 23:33.10 | adomas | but I use my own variation of Debian that Im working on |
| 23:33.31 | adomas | but with this poor internet is very hard to evolve, I need alternatives for most things |
| 23:33.41 | Nielske | what else can cause aptitude update to result in following output? |
| 23:33.42 | Nielske | Get:1 http://ftp.be.debian.org etch Release.gpg [386B] |
| 23:33.44 | Nielske | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
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| 23:34.26 | stdisease | Nielske: your ISP killing your http connections (lol)? |
| 23:34.40 | adomas | Nielske: try using transparent proxy |
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| 23:34.59 | \amethyst | Nielske: anything that could make the network connection bad |
| 23:35.04 | Nielske | my isp should not do that; I can access sites using lynx |
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| 23:35.24 | adomas | try to trace that host |
| 23:35.28 | \amethyst | Nielske: can you access ftp.de.debian.org ? |
| 23:35.38 | \amethyst | Nielske: err, ftp.be.debian.org |
| 23:35.43 | stdisease | port 80 |
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| 23:37.01 | Nielske | ftp ftp.be.debian.org 80 |
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| 23:37.33 | stdisease | what? no, telnet ftp.be.debian.org 80 |
| 23:37.33 | adomas | now I will install debian but I have only wireless connection using unetbootin I had no ipw2200 module, I was unable to do net install. How do I get ipw2200? |
| 23:37.39 | \amethyst | not ftp, try it with lynx |
| 23:37.41 | stdisease | or traceroute |
| 23:38.12 | Nielske | telnet ftp.be.debian.org 80 |
| 23:38.13 | Nielske | Trying 193.190.67.15... |
| 23:38.13 | Nielske | Connected to hydra.belnet.be. |
| 23:38.13 | Nielske | Escape character is '^]'. |
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| 23:38.23 | Nielske | oepsie |
| 23:38.39 | adb | !tell adomas wifi |
| 23:38.48 | Fuogor | brasero is not recognizing blank disc...anyone know what the problem may be? |
| 23:38.53 | Nielske | i can traceroute it |
| 23:39.08 | adb | !tell adomas ipw2200 |
| 23:39.12 | adomas | adb: nothing popped up :( |
| 23:39.35 | adb | look for dpkg |
| 23:39.44 | adb | message |
| 23:39.59 | stdisease | Fuogor: not using a cd-r drive, or it can't find command line tools in its search path |
| 23:40.11 | Nielske | lynx ftp.be.debian.org works but lynx ftp.be.debian.org:80 hangs |
| 23:40.14 | adb | adomas: or /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 23:40.30 | adomas | ok, thanks |
| 23:40.39 | adb | np |
| 23:40.56 | stdisease | Nielske: it may be a temporary thing with that server, try another mirror and see if you get the same error |
| 23:41.21 | adomas | I just finished today reading Debian Bible, is there more good indepth books? |
| 23:41.28 | adomas | or is it wrong place to ask this question? |
| 23:42.00 | Nielske | stdisease: I tried other countries as well (nl, de, ..) |
| 23:42.03 | Nielske | all give same error |
| 23:42.14 | amphi | adomas: hae you read the debian reference? |
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| 23:42.54 | stdisease | Nielske: weird |
| 23:43.26 | adomas | no, I will look up for it |
| 23:43.31 | stdisease | I had a problem before where any http connection would last for 3 secs or so and then die |
| 23:43.38 | stdisease | it cleared in a few days |
| 23:43.38 | amphi | adomas: it's packaged |
| 23:44.08 | adomas | what is the packages name? |
| 23:44.09 | Nielske | yeah; don't think it's a general networking problem |
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| 23:44.26 | Nielske | am remeotly connected + lynx, ftp, don't show weird things |
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| 23:46.38 | sharp15 | anyone else have a suggestion on how to remove mpd from this system? |
| 23:48.07 | deego | Do they mean 4.0r6 in the topic? The website says 4.0r5 was released in october.. |
| 23:48.48 | smultron | anyone know how to get a diff on a set of unordered lists? |
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| 23:49.17 | deego | smultron: sort them and then diff it? |
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| 23:49.42 | deego | smultron: bash has a sort if it's just lines of text files.. |
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| 23:50.12 | jabis | a no go on the X -configure, fails over fatal 11 |
| 23:51.14 | smultron | sort them how? they don't have the same items, so if they're sorted their index positions for each item will be different |
| 23:51.14 | smultron | oh... he left |
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| 23:53.54 | ootput | hi guys. i've got a question. Say I had lots of files that contained the word 'Two' somewhere in it. I want to strip off everthing that comes before the 'Two'. Is this possible? It's in a single directory |
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| 23:57.07 | nkuttler | ootput: sed, perl |
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