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| 00:04.02 | mordy | is there a way i can run X programs remotely on my current X session? |
| 00:04.18 | mordy | i.e. instead of opening up another virtual terminal |
| 00:05.16 | Dewi | mordy: ssh to remote with X-forwarding enabled, run programs |
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| 00:06.04 | stoned | hi guys |
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| 00:06.12 | stoned | I'm trying to boot lenny |
| 00:06.13 | mordy | ssh -X (or -Y for that matter) gives me "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyError: Can't open display: localhost:10.0" |
| 00:06.15 | stoned | INIT: Entering runlevel: 2 |
| 00:06.16 | stoned | INIT: cannot execute "/etc/init.d/rc" |
| 00:06.20 | stoned | and then caput! |
| 00:06.23 | stoned | whats up? |
| 00:06.26 | mordy | yo |
| 00:06.29 | stoned | hi |
| 00:06.41 | mordy | sure it's the right architecture? |
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| 00:07.01 | mordy | you can sometimes get funny errors with even a minor kernel mismatch |
| 00:07.17 | stoned | http://paste.debian.net/23927/ |
| 00:07.56 | mordy | find / -name "my-damn-misplaced-lighter" |
| 00:07.57 | mordy | brb |
| 00:08.20 | mordy | gah was right under my keyboarf |
| 00:08.50 | stoned | mordy, X auth problems with ssh -X ? |
| 00:09.03 | mordy | well, i don't think it's xauth |
| 00:09.14 | mordy | since i get the sme thing with ssh -Y |
| 00:09.45 | stoned | !xauth |
| 00:09.46 | dpkg | it has been said that xauth is the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program is in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch) or in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>. |
| 00:10.23 | stoned | mordy, you have xbase-clients installed? |
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| 00:10.59 | mordy | yeah |
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| 00:11.48 | mordy | don't really know how to work xauth though |
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| 00:12.33 | mordy | and i'm still trying to understand the "x is really a client that's really a server" part |
| 00:12.43 | stoned | what? |
| 00:12.48 | stoned | X is a client/server model |
| 00:12.58 | stoned | Xserver is what you never see, it works in the BG |
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| 00:13.24 | mordy | yeah, but the thing is that when you run X remotely, the remote host is acting as a client and the local host is acting like a server |
| 00:13.25 | stoned | you only see clients that connect to the Xserver, and based on what the client code has, the pplication, Xserver draws the windos, fonts, contorls, etc. etc. |
| 00:13.36 | stoned | yup |
| 00:13.50 | stoned | same thing |
| 00:13.55 | stoned | clients could be anywhere, local or remote |
| 00:14.02 | stoned | same with Xserver |
| 00:14.10 | mordy | like any service run on the computer |
| 00:14.19 | scientes | i keep getting not enough space on disk errors when my drive has 100G free |
| 00:14.33 | stoned | scientes, probably a full /tmp? |
| 00:14.44 | scientes | no its the home |
| 00:14.48 | stoned | weird |
| 00:14.48 | scientes | and the home has 100 free |
| 00:14.55 | stoned | df ? |
| 00:15.05 | scientes | /dev/sda6 212G 112G 101G 53% /home |
| 00:15.20 | scientes | however the blocks are 4M could that create problems that wouldnt be obvious? |
| 00:15.36 | stoned | 4M blocks? |
| 00:15.38 | stoned | goddamn |
| 00:15.41 | stoned | brb |
| 00:15.53 | mordy | lol |
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| 00:16.25 | scientes | it was for vms and torrents |
| 00:16.28 | stoned | ok back i got company im gonna go toke up ;) |
| 00:16.33 | stoned | *out* |
| 00:16.38 | scientes | but yeah should have done 1M |
| 00:16.39 | mordy | later |
| 00:17.50 | mordy | now i'm wondering what i need to do on xauth, and where i need to configure it |
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| 00:23.55 | froze | has anyone got a successful hotswap of sata drives on an intel 82801GB/GR/GH controller? |
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| 00:24.39 | froze | or can point to documentation of the same? |
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| 00:28.58 | jabis | goddamn I'm stuck with the display card not setting up... |
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| 00:38.36 | Cattle-Sex | you have to disable gdm |
| 00:38.43 | Cattle-Sex | hence why i do not use debian |
| 00:38.44 | stoned | back |
| 00:38.59 | stoned | that doesn't seem enough reason to not use debian |
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| 00:39.02 | Cattle-Sex | retarded run levels = me not using debian |
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| 00:39.16 | stoned | perhaps you don't understand the runlevels in debian |
| 00:39.25 | Cattle-Sex | theres like 3 |
| 00:39.38 | stoned | there are countless others who have no problem with debian |
| 00:39.43 | Cattle-Sex | i have single user multi user multi user gui reboot and a few others |
| 00:39.44 | stoned | and if you don't use debian, why are you here? |
| 00:39.51 | stoned | feel free to /part |
| 00:40.09 | mordy | i thought there were 5 run levels |
| 00:40.14 | Cattle-Sex | im here to tell debian users that slackware is superior |
| 00:40.17 | stoned | !runlevels |
| 00:40.17 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc> |
| 00:40.26 | zinx | Cattle-Sex: slackware is offtopic in #debian |
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| 00:40.37 | Cattle-Sex | i have apt-get |
| 00:40.41 | Cattle-Sex | im down with the linux mint |
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| 00:41.05 | mordy | the nick amuses me |
| 00:41.30 | Cattle-Sex | its just retarded to have 234 and 5 be the same thing |
| 00:41.49 | stoned | thats a matter of opinion, and we think otherwise. |
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| 00:42.09 | Cattle-Sex | well, give some advice on installing video drivers to who ever asked about it |
| 00:42.21 | Cattle-Sex | <jabis> goddamn I'm stuck with the display card not setting up... |
| 00:42.23 | Cattle-Sex | him |
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| 00:42.30 | stoned | he didn't ask anything. |
| 00:42.48 | Cattle-Sex | yea because he doesnt know he has to disable gdm |
| 00:42.55 | Cattle-Sex | to install his drivers |
| 00:43.31 | Cattle-Sex | graphical booting is not as safe as cli booting |
| 00:44.12 | froze | is there a utility to export a block device over an ssh connection? |
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| 00:45.20 | stoned | over ssh I have no idea, but I've tinkered with nbd in the past. Its a client server kernel module thingy |
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| 00:45.39 | stoned | you build it, export your block device over your connection |
| 00:45.59 | stoned | then another client can access it, software exists for various platforms |
| 00:46.00 | stdisease | cute |
| 00:46.15 | Cattle-Sex | nfs? |
| 00:46.23 | stoned | I can't remember |
| 00:46.25 | stoned | I'm stoned. |
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| 00:46.47 | stoned | http://nbd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:46.52 | Cattle-Sex | yea well im tripping on acid and mescaline so im not much better off |
| 00:47.14 | Cattle-Sex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System_(protocol) |
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| 00:47.19 | stoned | dpkg nbd is this thing compiled into your kernel, Linux can use a remote server as one of its block devices |
| 00:47.19 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 00:48.19 | stoned | !nbd |
| 00:48.19 | dpkg | from memory, nbd is Network Block Device -- http://nbd.sourceforge.net/ -- READ IT!! |
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| 00:49.17 | stoned | and I'm sure you can somehow tunnel it through ssh |
| 00:50.08 | stoned | its very useful when you need to build clusters |
| 00:50.11 | jabis | Cattle-Sex, that's not the problem, I don't even have gdm on the platform, it's that the drivers don't work, that's the prob |
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| 00:50.22 | stoned | jabis, can you please provide more information |
| 00:50.45 | stoned | jabis, video card? debian version? how are you installing the drivers? |
| 00:50.51 | stoned | etc. etc. |
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| 00:51.37 | brandon|home | wife just got me a nice big ole blue dot bong for xmas :D |
| 00:51.52 | jabis | a radeon hd 4670 won't cope with ati provided 8.12 installer; debver is lenny, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 00:51.56 | brandon|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.57 | brandon|home | sorry |
| 00:51.59 | stoned | brandon|home, you can discuss bongs in #debian-chat |
| 00:52.15 | brandon|home | stoned: yea, totally wrong channel, i saw your name and thought i was elsewhere... |
| 00:52.28 | stoned | ey! don't blame me! |
| 00:52.29 | stoned | :( |
| 00:52.38 | Cattle-Sex | blame canada |
| 00:52.42 | Cattle-Sex | =) |
| 00:52.58 | stoned | you can blame canada in the other channel |
| 00:53.11 | stoned | jabis, hang on |
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| 00:53.45 | stoned | jabis, how did you install the drivers? you used driver package from ati.amd.com or from debian repositories? |
| 00:54.19 | stoned | jabis, we don't support #fglrx <-- afaik we only support the debian packaged versions of the ati drivers |
| 00:54.23 | jabis | stoned, the initial driver doesn't work, so I downloaded from ati.amd.com the catalyst version, and a no go still |
| 00:54.35 | stoned | jabis, however I think you can get by with radeonhd driver |
| 00:54.50 | stoned | however r6,r7x chipsets dont' have 3D accel |
| 00:54.56 | stoned | yet... |
| 00:55.05 | stoned | if you want fglrx, /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 00:55.17 | jabis | no I can't, it's the default, and gives me black screen which I need to ctrl alt numpadplus to get anything on screen |
| 00:55.22 | stoned | start by removing all traces of the ati driver package |
| 00:55.39 | mordy | that's a pain to do |
| 00:55.40 | mordy | lol |
| 00:55.43 | stoned | jabis, you are talking about radeonhd? |
| 00:56.40 | Cattle-Sex | says compiling from source is superior! |
| 00:57.04 | stoned | jabis, though if you insist on getting support for the ati drivers, you need to go to #fglrx or #ati |
| 00:57.33 | jabis | stoned, yes, the one that comes with the initial cd-image, showing in apt-packages that were installed from cd. ctrl alt numpadding gives me like 1920x1200 resolution whichs' display res is something like 640x480 and I need to push mouse to get from one end of the desktop to the other |
| 00:58.23 | stdisease | ya that sucks |
| 00:58.25 | stoned | jabis, so you installed the ati fglrx driver for your card from the lenny cd image? |
| 00:58.30 | jabis | no |
| 00:58.30 | stoned | that not possible |
| 00:58.38 | stdisease | jabis: if you see any "Viewport" lines in your xorg.conf remove them |
| 00:59.13 | stoned | jabis, could you be more explicit? |
| 00:59.50 | stdisease | jabis: and add desired modes under section "Screen" Subsections "Display" |
| 00:59.58 | jabis | I tried to install the ati one, which just fucked up the whole setup so I reinstalled, but I'm getting the black screen where I can ctrl+alt+numpadplus to get the ridiculous 1920x1200 res, where viewable is only 640x480 or something |
| 01:00.26 | stoned | when you reinstalled, what driver did you install? |
| 01:00.35 | stoned | debian one or ati.amd.com one |
| 01:00.35 | stdisease | jabis: maybe your screen frequencies aren't set right |
| 01:00.43 | jabis | stoned, the default |
| 01:00.48 | stdisease | that causes black screens |
| 01:00.48 | stoned | dude |
| 01:00.53 | stoned | i gave you two chocies |
| 01:00.55 | stoned | pick one ! |
| 01:01.00 | jabis | stoned, the default = debian |
| 01:01.02 | stoned | debian, or ati.amd.com |
| 01:01.04 | stoned | ok |
| 01:01.06 | mordy | don't think that applies to dvi |
| 01:01.26 | stoned | jabis, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:01.36 | jabis | just a sec, pasting |
| 01:02.17 | mordy | X is so problematic, yet the config file is rather simple |
| 01:02.25 | mordy | or rather the video drivers available |
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| 01:03.06 | mordy | but lenny Xorg.conf files don't have much in the |
| 01:03.07 | mordy | m |
| 01:03.40 | stoned | automagic configuration in X |
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| 01:03.55 | stoned | !xrandr |
| 01:03.55 | dpkg | hmm... xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 01:04.10 | stoned | is an amazing tool |
| 01:04.17 | Guerin | yes, i love xrandr |
| 01:04.20 | stdisease | it is |
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| 01:04.38 | mordy | never found a point in it - although i can see why it would be handy |
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| 01:04.53 | jabis | stoned, there's the log for yahttp://www.pastie.org/private/riayemdztuoqmdqf2nvieg |
| 01:05.06 | stdisease | I used "xrandr -s 0" more than any other X command |
| 01:05.16 | Guerin | for proofreading justice, set your monitor on its side and use xrandr to rotate the display 90 degrees - then you can see whole a4 pages in full size |
| 01:05.35 | mordy | lol |
| 01:05.58 | mordy | from what i understand, that would make your screen to 0 resolution? |
| 01:06.03 | mordy | but i'm just a newb |
| 01:06.11 | Guerin | mordy: no, screenmode 0, usually the best it can do |
| 01:06.29 | mordy | oh |
| 01:06.56 | sharp15 | autoconfig is great untill it doesn't work or gets in the way and won't let you alter stuff. |
| 01:07.00 | jabis | stoned, and my xorg.conf as set by the installer http://www.pastie.org/private/exuyx9ughcaoa8cduryfa |
| 01:07.25 | stdisease | jabis, you call that a xorg.conf!!!! |
| 01:07.36 | jabis | it was autogenerated stdisease |
| 01:07.37 | mordy | " -s <size>/<width>x<height> or --size <size>/<width>x<height>" |
| 01:07.37 | stoned | ahhhh boy |
| 01:07.50 | stoned | jabis, first of all its defaulting to VESA |
| 01:08.02 | stoned | jabis, secondly, you didn't customize your .conf |
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| 01:08.13 | mordy | 3000 lines |
| 01:08.15 | Guerin | usually there's no need to do so |
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| 01:08.19 | mordy | for the log |
| 01:08.33 | Guerin | though vesa is rarely the win |
| 01:08.37 | stdisease | jabis: run as root, from console "X -configure", it then generates a xorg.conf.new, you edit that and move it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:08.38 | jabis | it was default which oughtta work, my etch did work out of the box, lenny doesn't |
| 01:08.50 | mordy | that's a standard lenny xorg.conf file |
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| 01:09.20 | jabis | the same display and same card, but now is borked |
| 01:09.22 | Guerin | X -configure is bad |
| 01:09.33 | Guerin | use dpokg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in preference |
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| 01:09.40 | Guerin | s/o// |
| 01:09.44 | mordy | guerin - that won't change your xorg file in lenny |
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| 01:09.54 | stdisease | Guerin: this xorg.conf pasted before is obviously not any better :/ |
| 01:10.11 | mordy | you have a chance with -plow |
| 01:10.14 | Guerin | mordy: yes, it will. |
| 01:10.23 | stoned | jabis, 1) /msg dpkg fglrx 2) after driver has been installed and modprobed, add driver "fglrx" under Section "Device" in xorg.conf. 3) pick a mode, and cvt _put_mode_here and get your modeline and add it to your monitor section. then go to screen, and add a mode line for your resolution |
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| 01:10.36 | Guerin | oh, is plow no longer the default |
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| 01:10.46 | stoned | also, man cvt |
| 01:10.49 | Guerin | anyway, in case of an existing conf, it'll rename it with the current date and time |
| 01:10.50 | mordy | don't think so |
| 01:11.59 | stoned | jabis, if you wish to stay free, skep step 1, and simply subsitude the driver "fglrx" with "radeonhd" |
| 01:12.17 | stoned | jabis, and continue with the rest of the steps |
| 01:12.29 | Guerin | i guess radeonhd is the radeon driver with DRI for newer devices? |
| 01:12.39 | stoned | ehh.. |
| 01:12.39 | jabis | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.42 | jabis | whoops |
| 01:12.58 | jabis | eager right hand mouse |
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| 01:13.10 | stoned | eats m&m |
| 01:13.28 | stoned | mmm |
| 01:13.43 | beardy | & |
| 01:13.52 | mordy | mmm? |
| 01:13.57 | beardy | . |
| 01:14.01 | stoned | no what was a mmmmm |
| 01:14.02 | kevind23 | I just got a new Sony laptop and I'm trying to setup Xorg with Intel GMA 4500MHD.. but I can't get it to work at all, especially on my native 1600x900 resolution. Any ideas? (#xorg is dead) |
| 01:14.05 | stoned | like mmmmm delicious |
| 01:14.08 | Guerin | so, incidentally, I'm happy with my monitor |
| 01:14.34 | mordy | kevind23, Xorg.0.log |
| 01:14.37 | stoned | kevind23, how can we know without any details? |
| 01:14.40 | stdisease | intel driver never let me go widescreen |
| 01:14.41 | Guerin | ancient 21" Hitachi CRT, bought for almost nothing, ex-arcade console, crisp and clear and bright and contrasty |
| 01:14.49 | stoned | sigh |
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| 01:15.04 | mordy | i'm using the intel driver on 1920x1200 |
| 01:15.05 | kevind23 | I don't have many details, stoned. |
| 01:15.09 | stoned | I have a 22" 10:10 |
| 01:15.12 | stoned | 16* |
| 01:15.19 | mordy | this is 24" |
| 01:15.19 | kevind23 | mordy: X starts but I get whiteish screen |
| 01:15.23 | mordy | hmmm |
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| 01:15.33 | stdisease | kevind23: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:15.33 | mordy | kevind23, we need logs at least |
| 01:15.40 | kevind23 | none of the configs that I've tried have worked so something from scratch might be best |
| 01:15.51 | stdisease | kevind23: and /etc/X11/xorg.conf if possible |
| 01:15.54 | Guerin | yeah, mine will do 1920x1200, but it's not a widescreen, so I have to compress it vertically otherwise the aspect is all screwy |
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| 01:15.57 | kevind23 | alright alright |
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| 01:16.07 | Guerin | 1600x1200 native at 75hz is more better |
| 01:16.07 | mordy | lol |
| 01:16.13 | stoned | is like watching people with really long faces |
| 01:16.14 | stoned | lol |
| 01:16.14 | mordy | native here is 60 hz |
| 01:16.42 | mordy | this monitor is like the sun - 500cdm |
| 01:16.45 | stoned | I can do 1024x768@150Hz |
| 01:16.46 | stoned | :) |
| 01:16.52 | kevind23 | http://pastebin.ca/1288216 << log |
| 01:16.55 | stoned | 1600x1200@85Hz |
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| 01:17.10 | kevind23 | http://pastebin.ca/1288217 << config |
| 01:17.19 | stoned | its a dell CRT flatscreen M933s or something |
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| 01:18.13 | kevind23 | I've never had to deal with Xorg on something without ATI so I pretty much pieced together that config from some unhelpful tutorials online |
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| 01:21.05 | mordy | well for starters you might want to comment out the glx line |
| 01:21.57 | kevind23 | done |
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| 01:25.20 | kevind23 | if it's any help, the laptop is Sony VAIO VGN-235 |
| 01:25.38 | kevind23 | er, FW235 |
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| 01:26.01 | mordy | aside from that and GLX not loading, i don't understand lines 498-506 |
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| 01:28.33 | hachi | with pxeboot images for the debian installer, how can I add a local mirror of debian as the default choice? |
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| 01:30.06 | beardy | hachi: By modifying the image you boot? |
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| 01:30.40 | mordy | the pxe boot image isn't much different than other installation formats |
| 01:30.48 | mordy | they all load into ram |
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| 01:31.01 | hachi | yeah, what I'm trying to figure out is what to modify |
| 01:31.27 | beardy | hachi: /etc/apt/sources.list , if that's what you mean. |
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| 01:31.45 | stoned | everything loads into ram |
| 01:31.45 | hachi | no, there's a mirror list |
| 01:31.49 | hachi | and it prompts you for this |
| 01:31.51 | mordy | it asks you for a country etc. and then gives you a list of mirrors |
| 01:32.04 | mordy | and of course it defaults to US lol |
| 01:32.44 | stoned | you could preseed the installer |
| 01:32.58 | mordy | or that |
| 01:33.07 | stoned | !preseed |
| 01:33.07 | dpkg | i heard preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 01:33.53 | beardy | hachi: Ah. Yes.. I haven't fiddled with the installer myself so I can't answer. |
| 01:35.53 | kevind23 | mordy: might be a problem: (WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 01:36.07 | mordy | kevind23, that's 'normal' |
| 01:36.19 | kevind23 | ok |
| 01:36.24 | kevind23 | well... |
| 01:36.27 | kevind23 | :\ |
| 01:36.57 | mordy | it works with other resolutions you say? |
| 01:37.00 | mordy | just not native? |
| 01:37.02 | kevind23 | I get a white screen with some weird lines on it |
| 01:37.27 | kevind23 | it worked with the default configuration, with some terrible resolution and probably vesa |
| 01:37.56 | kevind23 | Trying to use vesa now just produces a blank screen |
| 01:38.18 | mordy | hmmm that's weird |
| 01:38.48 | kevind23 | On second thought, it just crashes with vesa |
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| 01:40.02 | mordy | does it crash with your old xorg.conf too? |
| 01:40.21 | mordy | brb |
| 01:40.51 | kevind23 | (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1600x900" (no mode of this name) |
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| 01:41.14 | mordy | well, comment that out too |
| 01:41.22 | stoned | kevind23, temprarily move your xorg.conf to xorg.conf.backup, sudo touch xorg.conf and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:41.30 | kevind23 | ok |
| 01:41.34 | stoned | let it autoconfigure for you, and lets see what happens |
| 01:42.14 | stoned | vesa doesn't support widescreen does it? |
| 01:42.26 | kevind23 | I don't think vesa does |
| 01:42.43 | stoned | I didn't think so |
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| 01:44.04 | kevind23 | it doesn't appear to be working with the default |
| 01:44.16 | kevind23 | it complains about vesa |
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| 01:44.30 | stoned | ok now add your intel driver in the new xorg.conf |
| 01:44.49 | stoned | in the device section, driver "intel" <-- or whatever the driver name is |
| 01:44.53 | stoned | (I don't use intel) |
| 01:45.02 | mordy_ | or i810 |
| 01:45.14 | mordy_ | let me see what i have |
| 01:45.25 | kevind23 | nope, same white screen |
| 01:45.54 | stoned | kevind23, time to check the BTS maybe? |
| 01:45.58 | kevind23 | BTS? |
| 01:46.02 | kevind23 | oh |
| 01:46.09 | stoned | kevind23, /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:46.12 | kevind23 | I haven't found anything |
| 01:46.40 | stoned | paste your newly generated xorg log file |
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| 01:47.19 | stoned | btw whats your intel chipset? card thingy |
| 01:47.24 | kevind23 | http://pastebin.ca/1288232 |
| 01:47.28 | mordy_ | he said 4400gma |
| 01:47.34 | mordy_ | hd |
| 01:47.44 | mordy_ | it's very new |
| 01:47.51 | mordy_ | but still shouldn't pose a problem |
| 01:47.55 | kevind23 | 4500MHD |
| 01:48.06 | mordy_ | it's new though, right? |
| 01:48.14 | kevind23 | I'unno. |
| 01:50.18 | mordy_ | this is the log file after you did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 01:51.14 | dav_ | is there any way to create a mirror of an lvm logical volume? it seems like lvcreate only lets you create mirrored partitions on initial creation, not mirror once the partition already exists... |
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| 01:56.10 | jabis | finally \o/ |
| 01:57.54 | jabis | wasn't an easy task I tell ya :) removed everything xserver and xorg related, them drivers and all, redownloaded the drivers fresh, reinstalled one by one, tweaked the xorg.conf and finally was able to see things :D |
| 01:58.01 | jabis | thanks for all your help, guise :) |
| 01:59.00 | mordy_ | well, didn'tg take you that long :P |
| 01:59.55 | jabis | now I'm just getting a headache from lower refresh rate, but at least it's visible so I can tweak it later |
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| 02:00.51 | jabis | mordy, well I'm accustomed to terminals, this GUI is too modern for me, lol |
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| 02:02.32 | mordy_ | meh, X tends to be confusing |
| 02:02.35 | mordy_ | and cryptic |
| 02:02.52 | kevind23 | also, how do I get Intel WiFi Link 5100AGN working? some site says 'iwlwifi' is in the kernel but I don't see it |
| 02:03.13 | enouf | in .24 and up |
| 02:03.25 | enouf | !iwlwifi |
| 02:03.25 | dpkg | [iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 02:03.30 | stoned | jabis, yay! |
| 02:03.32 | kevind23 | kthx |
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| 02:04.34 | stoned | kevind23, to use the GMA X4500/X4500HD under Linux, you will need to use the just-released xf86-video-intel 2.4.0 driver for mode-setting, 2D, and video support and then the latest Mesa code for the OpenGL acceleration. |
| 02:04.52 | lunaphyte | am i missing something? it appears that the only packages available for dcc (Distributed Checksum Clearinghouses) are for m68k? |
| 02:04.54 | stoned | kevind23, build xorg/mesa/dri from git |
| 02:05.34 | kevind23 | bleh.. ok |
| 02:06.03 | stoned | next version of Mesa where this Intel support will arrive is Mesa 7.1 and will come in tandem with X.Org 7.4 |
| 02:06.14 | mordy_ | be glad there are drivers for that thing |
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| 02:07.23 | kevind23 | enouf: I need 5100, not 2945|2965 |
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| 02:07.39 | stoned | just build the latest xf86-video-intel DDX, Mesa, and DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) code from the respective git master branches |
| 02:07.57 | stoned | I think debian experimental may have some of those |
| 02:07.59 | kevind23 | I'd be more than happy to build my own kernel (I normally do anyway) if I need a more up-to-date version |
| 02:08.11 | stoned | who said kernel? |
| 02:08.13 | stoned | ... |
| 02:08.21 | amphi | kevind23: the 4965 driver may support that, with the correct fw |
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| 02:08.31 | kevind23 | re: iwlwifi for 5100 |
| 02:08.39 | stoned | oh |
| 02:08.41 | et3 | what is the debian equivalent to launchpad? |
| 02:08.42 | mordy_ | kevind23 - as a rule of thumb, brand new hardware/chipsets won't have linux drivers right away, you basically need to hope that the 'new' model has the same interface as its predecessors and work with that |
| 02:08.44 | kevind23 | well after modprobing it, iwconfig still doesn't show wlan0 |
| 02:08.45 | stoned | you're asking two questions |
| 02:09.13 | stoned | amphi, pin |
| 02:09.17 | stoned | asshole! |
| 02:09.26 | amphi | pön |
| 02:09.32 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:10.00 | stoned | wireless sucks doesn't it heh |
| 02:10.07 | mordy_ | wireless is cool |
| 02:10.16 | stoned | amphi, teach me a word |
| 02:10.16 | amphi | WorksForMe(tm) |
| 02:10.24 | dav_ | can anyone help with my lvm2 question? I can't seem to find the way to mirror a LV.. |
| 02:10.24 | mordy_ | i'm using an n ralink mini pci card |
| 02:10.27 | amphi | stoned: 'infundibuliform' |
| 02:10.35 | stoned | lol |
| 02:10.38 | stoned | wicked |
| 02:10.39 | mordy_ | compiled from source |
| 02:10.46 | enouf | dav_: vgsnapshot? |
| 02:10.55 | stoned | ADJECTIVE: Shaped like a funnel. |
| 02:10.56 | amphi | stoned: means 'funnel-shaped' |
| 02:11.08 | stoned | awesome, you da man |
| 02:11.38 | amphi | stoned: I doubt your dictionary has 'skiamorph' |
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| 02:12.07 | stoned | greek for shadow |
| 02:12.08 | dav_ | enouf: will read the man. brb. |
| 02:12.08 | stoned | ? |
| 02:12.21 | mordy_ | something that doesn't turn into a ski? |
| 02:12.23 | stoned | and shape |
| 02:12.39 | stoned | shadow form? |
| 02:12.44 | stoned | made of shadow? |
| 02:12.47 | dav_ | enouf: command doesn't seem to exist.. |
| 02:12.51 | stoned | something like that |
| 02:13.10 | amphi | stoned: yeah, 'shadow-form' - it's used for such stuff as leather-pattern plastic on car dashes and cameras |
| 02:13.11 | stoned | !installit |
| 02:13.12 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 02:13.26 | stoned | dav_, ^^ |
| 02:13.48 | jabis | next up getting the laser printer to work -.- |
| 02:14.04 | mikegriffin | so anyone know how to pull UUID off a reiser partition? dump2efs does not seem to be working out so well |
| 02:14.54 | jabis | canon provides really old drivers for it's printers, should prolly buy a new one if I'd want it to work properly |
| 02:14.59 | amphi | mikegriffin: vol_id /dev/blah ? |
| 02:15.39 | dav_ | stoned: i also google'd it and apt-cache search'd it.. |
| 02:16.02 | stoned | use block id |
| 02:16.09 | stoned | blkid |
| 02:16.13 | et3 | what is the debian equivalent to launchpad? |
| 02:16.15 | mikegriffin | amphi: that does not seem to be on this etch box by default, its on my ubuntu workstation however |
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| 02:16.40 | stoned | !tell et3 -about bts |
| 02:17.02 | et3 | stoned: I'll check it out |
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| 02:17.14 | et3 | I wanted to know so I could port my packages to debian |
| 02:17.14 | mikegriffin | amphi: does not appear in apt-cache (volumeid that is) the udev dpkg is installed |
| 02:17.38 | dav_ | stoned / enouf: anyway what I'm looking to do is a mirror, not a snapshot.. any thoughts? |
| 02:17.53 | mikegriffin | wow vol_id is really nice, i will remember that one |
| 02:18.57 | hachi | is ftp.us.debian.org having problems right now? |
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| 02:19.18 | hachi | I'm looking at a ps of an installer and it seems like it's hanging trying to fetch a mirror list |
| 02:19.21 | hachi | or something |
| 02:19.25 | mikegriffin | hachi: it stalled a bit earlier, lots of updates today for critical things like passwd shadow and firefox |
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| 02:20.59 | stoned | mikegriffin, blkid |
| 02:21.16 | stoned | mikegriffin, aptitude install e2fsprogs; /sbin/blkid |
| 02:21.54 | mikegriffin | stoned: luckily its install, no net at this point (had to steal eth for ip kvm) |
| 02:22.15 | mikegriffin | stoned: works like a champ, thanks |
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| 02:24.14 | stoned | 1 trillion UUIDs would have to be created every nanosecond for 10 billion years to exhaust the number of UUIDs. |
| 02:25.01 | stoned | why couldn' they do this with ipvXTREME! |
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| 02:25.05 | jabis | where would be a conf file for Konqueror, I'd need to set the mounting commands to use ntfs-3g instead of the "basic" one |
| 02:25.12 | stoned | beyond the galaxies of ipv6 |
| 02:25.27 | stoned | jabis, what kinda mounting commands? |
| 02:25.29 | stoned | jabis, right click? |
| 02:25.33 | stoned | context menu? |
| 02:25.42 | jabis | yeah |
| 02:25.48 | stoned | thats not in a conf file |
| 02:25.55 | stoned | you simply create .desktop files in somewhere hang on |
| 02:26.08 | stoned | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
| 02:26.15 | stoned | there you go |
| 02:26.18 | jabis | ok thanks, taking a look :) |
| 02:26.32 | dav_ | so there's no simple way to do raid1 in lvm2? |
| 02:26.39 | lszyba1 | hello, quick question...where can I get a list of every single package in amd64 by category (main contrib non-free) as well as every source package? |
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| 02:27.22 | lszyba1 | dav_:http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DebianRAID |
| 02:27.43 | stoned | lszyba1, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 02:28.32 | lszyba1 | stoned: is there a file that has all that information? |
| 02:28.54 | jabis | land of wonders this GUI stuff is ^^ |
| 02:28.55 | stoned | yes |
| 02:29.35 | stoned | somewhere |
| 02:30.06 | dav_ | lszyba1: doesn't seem to be related to lvm2.. did you read it? |
| 02:30.25 | stoned | http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz <-- there is this |
| 02:30.27 | stoned | I guess |
| 02:30.44 | stoned | should be a package list on your system too the one you get from the repos |
| 02:31.39 | dav_ | there's this "-m" option in lvcreate which implies you can create a mirror. my question is can I mirror a partition that exists already? |
| 02:31.42 | enouf | kevind23: ~$ lspci -nn | grep -i eth | awk '{ print$12 }' |
| 02:32.11 | lszyba1 | dav_: sorry I joined late...I am running raid1 on lvm partitions. I thought that is what you are talking about. |
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| 02:33.12 | lszyba1 | stoned: there is a http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 but let me ask this...does every binary file have a source package? if yes where can I find them? |
| 02:33.16 | enouf | dav_: have you looked through all the dmsetup and devicemapper docs and lvm2 docs and manpages? see /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 02:34.01 | jabis | hmm, intriguing, all mounting stuff is handled by a mounthelper, anyone have an idea how to sniff the fs of the target to be mounted, so I could create a conditional for it |
| 02:35.03 | jabis | it would be an ugly hack, but at least an easy one ^^ |
| 02:35.34 | dav_ | enouf: reading... |
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| 02:36.23 | stoned | lszyba1, packages.debian.org |
| 02:36.33 | dav_ | enouf: at first glance it doesn't seem to me that i can mirror a virtual partition that wasn't originally set up to be raid1 using dmraid.. |
| 02:36.36 | stoned | lszyba1, add deb-src in your soruces.list |
| 02:36.45 | stoned | lszyba1, just copy a deb line and append -src after deb |
| 02:37.01 | dav_ | am I wrong? |
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| 02:37.33 | newsense | why do some applications have more than 1 man page, just noticed it ? |
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| 02:38.25 | mikegriffin | newsense: they have sections |
| 02:38.31 | mikegriffin | newsense: man man |
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| 02:39.06 | newsense | lmao ok cool thanks |
| 02:39.17 | newsense | never thought to read mans manual |
| 02:40.17 | dav_ | enouf: every doc i find explains how to create an LVM physical volume over a RAID array.. that's not what I'm trying to do.. |
| 02:40.37 | fde | What is the cloning factoid for dpkg? My brain doesn't appear to be functional currently |
| 02:41.12 | fde | Tried dpkg search clone but its returning nothing |
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| 02:43.34 | mikegriffin | dav_: test the -m thing on a non-production drive? |
| 02:44.38 | dav_ | mikegriffin: but -m does not give me the option to copy an existing partition, only to create a new one? |
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| 02:45.23 | enouf | dav_: oh .. dmraid? that's an entirely different matter - that's fakeraid, and involves special support |
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| 02:46.00 | enouf | dav_: you should consider mdadm instead of whatever crap onboard fakeraid you're using |
| 02:46.46 | dav_ | enouf: I'm not using anything-raid right now. all I have is LVM2 on all my drives and all I'm trying to do is duplicate one of my partition from one drive to anyther.. I thought LVM2 provided that feature but I can't seem to find it.. |
| 02:48.00 | enouf | dav_: sorry, i'm unsure ... but might you want to try and just rsync the data? |
| 02:49.44 | dav_ | enouf: that's a different solution but thx :( |
| 02:49.54 | enouf | dav_: the only other place i can think to look is http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-lvm/?sc=0 |
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| 02:51.01 | lszyba1 | stoned: I'm looking for a file I can parse? there is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/source/ but its 10 times smaller then binary file... |
| 02:51.08 | et3 | is there a way to make packages edit files when they install? |
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| 02:51.21 | stoned | hm |
| 02:52.01 | et3 | suppose when I installed a package, I wanted it to edit another package's "programName"rc or .conf file |
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| 02:53.09 | et3 | ultimately, I want to make a package of my .bash_profile, .bash_aliases, .vimrc etc... |
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| 02:53.18 | giacomo | hello |
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| 02:53.25 | et3 | giacomo: sup/ |
| 02:53.26 | et3 | ? |
| 02:53.53 | giacomo | ? |
| 02:54.08 | et3 | giacomo: hello |
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| 02:54.57 | giacomo | sup bro |
| 02:55.07 | giacomo | lista' tho this |
| 02:55.15 | giacomo | I would like to ask you how can I reinstall the file "/etc/init.d/laptop-mode" trough apt-get, I've tried with apt-get install --reinstall laptop-mode-tools (this is the package that should contain that file) but has been useless. I've also tried to move away the laptop-mode file somewhere and reinstall the package, but no success. Do I have to unpack the deb manually and replace the file? |
| 02:55.42 | dusted | giacomo, try removing it first, with --purge |
| 02:55.44 | lostson | hmm why exim4 as the default mailer is it easier to use than sendmail |
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| 02:56.18 | stoned | lszyba1, hang on |
| 02:56.34 | giacomo | dusted, but that package have some heavy dependencies like acpi and power management, it sounds stupid to delete the whole tree to replace a messed config file |
| 02:56.56 | giacomo | *has |
| 02:57.17 | stoned | lszyba1, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/ ? |
| 02:57.32 | stoned | lszyba1, use packages.gz and zless it, or extract and parse? |
| 02:57.42 | dusted | Guerin, true, then I would do like you said, download the deb and extract it yourself |
| 02:57.45 | stoned | lszyba1, you can prae it for whatever you want |
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| 02:58.07 | enouf | giacomo: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:58.26 | dusted | nifty |
| 02:58.45 | stoned | lszyba1, for example you wanted to search for these, Package:, Section:, so you want to extract all the lines that start with that I guess |
| 02:58.51 | stoned | I dunno I'm sure you can figure out how parse it |
| 02:59.23 | giacomo | enouf, got it, thank you |
| 02:59.32 | stoned | giacomoly? |
| 02:59.32 | dav_ | enouf / mikegriffin / lszyba1 - I found it. lvconvert. Had to go in the LVM for HPUX manuals :) |
| 02:59.37 | stoned | with chips? |
| 02:59.40 | stoned | and salsa |
| 02:59.43 | stoned | mmm |
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| 03:03.21 | uva | hi |
| 03:03.52 | uva | is there any document specific to inted ? |
| 03:03.59 | uva | i 've search http://www.debian.org/ |
| 03:04.07 | uva | no shoot |
| 03:04.47 | magnetron | uvaâ search for "inetd" instead |
| 03:05.20 | uva | of course |
| 03:05.44 | uva | but the 1st shhot was http://www.debian.org/mirror/push_server.en.html |
| 03:06.02 | \amethyst | uva: apropos inetd will show you manpages |
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| 03:06.08 | uva | i need more specific to inetd |
| 03:06.34 | uva | huh? |
| 03:06.45 | uva | "apropos inetd"? |
| 03:06.55 | \amethyst | apropos inetd lists all manpages that contain "inetd" in their description |
| 03:07.10 | uva | what is apropos |
| 03:07.17 | \amethyst | if it shows inetd.conf (5) - description you can do man 5 inetd.conf |
| 03:07.24 | \amethyst | uva: it is a command to search manpages |
| 03:07.32 | \amethyst | man apropos |
| 03:07.34 | dav_ | enouf / mikegriffin / lszyba1 - And off it goes :) lvconvert -m 1 --mirrorlog core -i1 /dev/vg00/media2 |
| 03:07.41 | uva | under google or just bash? |
| 03:07.49 | \amethyst | in bash |
| 03:07.51 | uva | o |
| 03:08.11 | lszyba1 | stoned: Do you know if every binary package has a source package? |
| 03:09.25 | dav_ | .. and off I go. |
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| 03:09.32 | enouf | dav_: is that an entire VG, or just a LV? |
| 03:10.19 | lszyba1 | stoned: now that I parsed the packages how can I get a list of files within that package? http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/python/filelist is there one master file? |
| 03:11.38 | newsense | lszyba1, install apt-file |
| 03:11.56 | enouf | lszyba1: huh? use dpkg -S, dpkg -L pkgname, and apt-file |
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| 03:22.25 | stoned | enouf, poof |
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| 03:25.31 | critter | question, i have upgraded my desktop to 8 gigs of memory; it is recognized in the bios, however, when I boot in to the OS is only seeing 3.5 Gigs: Mem: 3519 624 2895 any ideas what's up? I am running a 64 bit version, so that can't be it: Linux critter-desktop 2.6.27-9-server #1 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:56:07 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:25.57 | critter | is it possible this is a limitation of EMT64? I am running a pentium d machine |
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| 03:26.56 | dmoerner | critter: we don't know the PAE setup of a default Ubuntu kernel. this is #debian |
| 03:26.58 | moqq | hey... anyone know why, when i load a network driver (modprobe 3c59x) it gives it eth3 and not eth1 (eth0 is taken already) |
| 03:27.14 | moqq | where can i choose /configure the name assignment? |
| 03:27.32 | Guerin | moqq: ifrename will do it on the basis of MAC address |
| 03:27.43 | critter | i know, i know, I was hoping this was more of a generic issue as opposed to a distribution issue |
| 03:27.47 | dmoerner | although it is bizarre that a 64-bit system wouldn't show all the memory. maybe something is wrong in the bios |
| 03:27.56 | mikegriffin | critter: see memory hole remap due to crappy chipset |
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| 03:28.07 | mikegriffin | dmoerner: bingo |
| 03:28.19 | moqq | Guerin: okay, thanks... will i have to set it to run in the bootup scripts? or will renaming it once stay |
| 03:28.28 | squisher | does anyone know if I can get some stats out of a running rsync process if I forgot to specify --progress ? |
| 03:28.45 | Guerin | moqq: install the package and edit its config script, then it's automagical for ever |
| 03:28.49 | mikegriffin | squisher: kill it, it can resume :) |
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| 03:28.56 | Guerin | s/script/file/ |
| 03:29.51 | squisher | mikegriffin, they're important files, so I wanted to get a second opinion :-) If I CTRL-C it, an -u should pick it right up, right? |
| 03:29.51 | mikegriffin | moqq: ifconfig -a ? perhaps there are down interfaces (or ip addr sh) |
| 03:30.16 | jescis | Hello, what file do I need to burn on a cd for use on a 68k mac? I have a performa 550 |
| 03:30.17 | jamon | moqq: it's in your udev rules |
| 03:30.27 | critter | i don't see any options in the bios for enabling PAE, so I'll do some googling |
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| 03:30.58 | swankier | what package do I install to have -lfuse available? |
| 03:31.03 | squisher | critter, check for bios updates too |
| 03:31.03 | moqq | mikegriffin: nope, no down devs |
| 03:31.03 | mikegriffin | critter: see memory hole remap due to crappy chipset |
| 03:31.10 | moqq | jamon: udev rules? where? |
| 03:31.22 | mikegriffin | moqq: try /etc/ud<TAB> |
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| 03:32.00 | jescis | !m68k |
| 03:32.00 | dpkg | well, m68k is Motorola 680x0 CPU family, used in Macs, Ataris, Amigas, Palm machines, older Sun workstations, and various VME bus systems. linux m68k runs on some of these, ucLinux should run on the less powerful models, or http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/faq.html or #debian-68k on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:32.12 | lszyba1 | apt-file ..how do I display list of files 'xpn' for example |
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| 03:32.38 | jamon | moqq: grep `ifconfig eth0 |grep -i hwaddr |awk '{print $5}'` /etc/udev/ -R |
| 03:32.47 | moqq | yup |
| 03:32.52 | moqq | i found them :) |
| 03:32.54 | moqq | thanks guys |
| 03:32.57 | moqq | udev it was! |
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| 03:33.20 | aaron_ | whaddup!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:34.25 | up365 | http://www.debian.org/News/project/2008/17/ |
| 03:34.29 | lszyba1 | snouf stoned : do you know how to get a list of files for package xyz? |
| 03:34.46 | squisher | lszyba1, dpkg -L ? |
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| 03:35.42 | oyk|silent | What are some typical non-necessary components of the base install which take up considerable space. (server is smb,ftp,ssh) |
| 03:35.57 | oyk|silent | Looking to trim down my installation |
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| 03:37.18 | jamon | oyk|silent: df -h, netstat -tupln, i'm guessing unless there's a specific problem you'll be fine as you are? |
| 03:38.03 | giacomo | hey guys do you know how can I discover which processes write on my disk more often? I'm tuning the disk sleep/idle |
| 03:38.07 | jamon | if you want to get minimalist about it, do a debootstrap and dpkg --get-selections |
| 03:38.32 | oyk|silent | jamon, what is a debootstrap? |
| 03:38.47 | adb | !debootstrap |
| 03:38.48 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 03:38.50 | oyk|silent | jamon, is there a way to get deborphan on etch? |
| 03:38.57 | oyk|silent | or a similar feature |
| 03:39.19 | oyk|silent | >_< sorry --auto-remove |
| 03:39.28 | lszyba1 | squisher: I need a list of files for a package that is not installed. |
| 03:39.32 | jamon | no idea oyk|silent |
| 03:39.46 | jamon | you can go through aptitude though and look at what you've got |
| 03:39.50 | jamon | it won't be much |
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| 03:40.23 | oyk|silent | jamon, yea, there arent many packages, but I'm not sure what are dependencies and what are useless for my setup |
| 03:40.39 | jamon | that's where aptitude helps ;) |
| 03:40.59 | oyk|silent | jamon, aptitude, not apt-get, correct? |
| 03:41.05 | jamon | yep |
| 03:41.15 | oyk|silent | yea, havent used aptitude much, I'll poke around, thanks |
| 03:41.25 | jamon | enjoy |
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| 03:43.11 | adb | oyk|silent: aptitude --without-recommends install packagename |
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| 03:44.16 | oyk|silent | does aptitude have any options to detect and remove dependencies no longer in use? |
| 03:44.23 | mikegriffin | critter: did you find a mem hole remap option? |
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| 03:44.44 | adb | aptitude --help |
| 03:44.44 | critter | negative |
| 03:44.56 | critter | i have a dell xps 400 |
| 03:45.01 | dmoerner | oyk|silent: yes, that was one of the main reasons that aptitude used to be recommended |
| 03:45.09 | critter | not finding much info on google, but still looking |
| 03:45.55 | dmoerner | i say used not because aptitude isn't recommended anymore but rather because apt-get has autoremove now |
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| 03:48.26 | oyk|silent | adb, you could have told me... took a while to find it... --purge-unused |
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| 03:49.04 | adb | heh |
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| 03:49.29 | mikegriffin | critter: i would check again for the option or a bios update http://fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-186212.html |
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| 03:58.11 | lszyba1 | anybody know how to get a list of files in a an xyz package from apt-file? |
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| 03:59.59 | jamon | lszyba1: not sure what you're trying to do, is apt-file show not working for you? |
| 04:01.57 | mythomaniac | anyone here versed in dvtm here? |
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| 04:04.24 | jamon | !anyone |
| 04:04.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 04:07.43 | lszyba1 | jamon: If I do apt-file show gnupg I get a list of maybe 7 packages including gnupg |
| 04:09.40 | jamon | check the man page again, it's there |
| 04:09.46 | jamon | hint, regexp |
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| 04:10.10 | jamon | e.g. apt-file show -x ^gnupg$ |
| 04:11.12 | dmoerner | lszyba1: you can just apt-file show gnupg | grep ^gnupg: if that bothers you |
| 04:12.24 | jamon | dmoerner: but adding the grep will grind away at your disk parsing through all the other packages that don't get shown, plus with the grep regexp it might as well be done with apt-file since it supports it natively |
| 04:12.26 | oyk|silent | ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No space left on device NOOOOOOOO |
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| 04:12.32 | lszyba1 | apt-file show -x ^gnupg$ will do.. what does $ at the end do? |
| 04:12.52 | dmoerner | $ is an end of line match |
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| 04:12.58 | jamon | !regexp |
| 04:12.59 | dpkg | i heard regexp is [regexp] a regular expression. It is widly used in UN*X for matching strings. or see man pages regex(7) and regex(3) or a common theological proof for the existence of evil, or a subroutine in Njaard (see njaard), or man perlre |
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| 04:13.30 | dmoerner | i didn't realize that apt-file had a regexp switch |
| 04:13.50 | jamon | yeah for unique package names it isnt needed really |
| 04:13.55 | lszyba1 | I mean can I use -x ^gnupg vs ^gnupg$? |
| 04:14.03 | jamon | but try apt-file python2.5 and you're hosed ;) |
| 04:14.25 | jamon | lszyba1: try with just ^ and see |
| 04:15.09 | dmoerner | ^gnupg would match gnupg-agent but not something with gnupg in the package files; ^gnupg$ would only match gnupg |
| 04:16.55 | lszyba1 | so I guess apt-file show -x ^package_name$ will do what I need. Thanks guys... |
| 04:17.00 | jamon | try with .*gnupg$ too lszyba1 |
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| 04:18.36 | lszyba1 | no, the begging of the line will do. |
| 04:19.17 | lszyba1 | ok...I think I am done for today..thanks for all your help...see ya. |
| 04:19.20 | jamon | lszyba1: but you see how basic regexes work, that's the important paart |
| 04:19.23 | Ricoshady | i have a weird issue, I configured my server for a static ip, it gets configured fine, boots up, but until I do a ifdown and ifup on eth0, the adapter doesnt repond |
| 04:19.38 | Ricoshady | eht0 is up on boot up |
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| 04:20.15 | Ricoshady | I have an ip as well, but can not connect to anything around me... but after ifdown eth0 and ifup, it works |
| 04:21.22 | lszyba1 | jamon: I do know how regex works but out of million of combinations its hard to google the difference between *package_name$ vs ^package_name$ or ^package_name ....I know ^ is a beginning of a line, now I know $ is the end I guess? not sure what * is |
| 04:21.49 | pickcoder | $ is always end of string |
| 04:21.52 | pickcoder | even in pcre |
| 04:21.53 | Ricoshady | * means any number of |
| 04:22.01 | jamon | .*, . is anything, * is any number of . |
| 04:22.09 | dmoerner | lszyba1: . = any non-newline character, * = one of more of the previous operator |
| 04:22.27 | dmoerner | so .* is anything until the end of the line, by default |
| 04:22.30 | pickcoder | * is zero or more |
| 04:22.33 | pickcoder | + is one or more |
| 04:22.37 | lszyba1 | got it.... |
| 04:22.47 | dmoerner | yes sorry i mistyped. |
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| 04:23.50 | Ricoshady | anyone with an idea why my eth0 adapter doesnt respond until I ifdown and ifup again? |
| 04:23.57 | lszyba1 | anyway..if anybody ever needs a list of every file of every package..here it is: |
| 04:23.57 | lszyba1 | wget -cN http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 |
| 04:23.57 | lszyba1 | for i in `bzip2 -dc Packages.bz2 | grep -e ^Package:\ |sed s/^Package:\ //`;do apt-file show -x ^$i$ ;done |
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| 04:24.36 | dmoerner | lszyba1: google awk it will let you combine the grep and sed statements |
| 04:24.56 | dmoerner | you can also pipe wget by having using -O -. |
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| 04:25.31 | dmoerner | don't use a period at the end; it was a failed attempt at grammar. |
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| 04:26.59 | swankier | would anyone be able to help me get gluster compiled? |
| 04:27.13 | jamon | lszyba1: apt-file show .* might take a while but it'll be the same i think |
| 04:27.33 | jamon | Ricoshady: you have eth0 set to auto? |
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| 04:28.23 | pickcoder | Ricoshady: "respond"? |
| 04:28.39 | jamon | maybe his eth0 is down ;) |
| 04:32.40 | stoned | hm |
| 04:32.48 | stoned | whats the matter man? |
| 04:33.10 | stoned | are you wrapped too tight? |
| 04:33.24 | stoned | whats the matter man? |
| 04:33.29 | pickcoder | wraps up stoned |
| 04:33.31 | stoned | is the time not right? |
| 04:33.51 | stoned | whats the matter man! whats the matter with you! /me sings Heny Rollings Song |
| 04:34.03 | stoned | pickcoder, hey man hi how ar eyou |
| 04:34.16 | pickcoder | ready for a week off |
| 04:34.18 | pickcoder | you? |
| 04:34.22 | stoned | same |
| 04:34.33 | stoned | I'm getting sick of coding lately |
| 04:34.43 | stoned | I thought pot would help, its not |
| 04:34.47 | stoned | so I'm gonna stop tokin up again |
| 04:34.57 | lszyba1 | jamon: with my current script I'll be able to control which pacage I have aka amd64 vs main vs non-free...etc... |
| 04:34.59 | stoned | man just sitting there for hours just coding |
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| 04:35.02 | stoned | ugh. |
| 04:35.14 | nullboy | what lang(s) |
| 04:35.17 | pickcoder | it clouds your higher design capabilities |
| 04:35.27 | stoned | it kinda does |
| 04:36.02 | Guerin | pickcoder: i'm 2 weeks into 5 weeks off |
| 04:36.03 | stoned | nullboy, C#/Gtk#, PHP, JS |
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| 04:36.06 | stoned | mainly |
| 04:36.06 | lszyba1 | If I could only get the gnupg: /usr/share/doc/gnupg/README.gz without downloading the whole gnupg.deb that would be awesome.. |
| 04:36.20 | stoned | php-gtk, php-qt |
| 04:36.29 | pickcoder | Guerin: I told you to leave the office gals alone |
| 04:36.32 | nullboy | interesting |
| 04:36.33 | Guerin | (though it's not entirely off, I have Responsibilities now) |
| 04:36.45 | stoned | yeh |
| 04:36.46 | Guerin | pickcoder: hah. |
| 04:36.49 | stoned | hes a new dad |
| 04:37.06 | pickcoder | congats! single or multiple? |
| 04:37.09 | stoned | single |
| 04:37.14 | stoned | cute kid |
| 04:37.19 | stoned | tiny lil baby |
| 04:37.20 | pickcoder | has to ask consider he does everything in multi-task mode |
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| 04:37.47 | pickcoder | it's a lot of work (x2 for me) |
| 04:37.49 | stoned | pickcoder, not everyone is as blessed as you |
| 04:38.16 | stoned | you have twins right? |
| 04:38.20 | stoned | not just two kids but twins |
| 04:38.21 | pickcoder | you'll start praying for the time when they sleep through the night soon |
| 04:38.23 | pickcoder | :P |
| 04:38.34 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:38.37 | pickcoder | yeah fraternal girls |
| 04:38.46 | Guerin | yeah, just the one |
| 04:38.55 | Guerin | no idea how anyone does this on their own, or when outnumbered |
| 04:39.05 | stoned | I wouldn't know man |
| 04:39.08 | stoned | I'm not a dad |
| 04:39.11 | pickcoder | you learn and adapt quickly |
| 04:39.30 | Guerin | our wee lass sleeps 4h at a time and is completely chilled |
| 04:39.35 | stoned | Guerin, what did you name the little critter |
| 04:39.38 | Guerin | we're very fortunate |
| 04:39.50 | pickcoder | wait till she's 13 |
| 04:39.51 | Guerin | stoned: Dawn Catherine. Her grandfather named her. |
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| 04:39.57 | stoned | nice |
| 04:40.07 | stoned | Dawn |
| 04:40.11 | stoned | our girls are named Sabah |
| 04:40.17 | stoned | Dawn is Sabah in arabic |
| 04:40.25 | Guerin | ah, nice |
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| 04:40.59 | stoned | you'v eseen my god daughter? |
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| 04:41.48 | stoned | Guerin, http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/graduation/228.jpg |
| 04:42.10 | stoned | shes the cutest freakin baby in the whole wide world |
| 04:42.15 | stoned | ya'lls babies suck! this baby kicks ass |
| 04:42.20 | stoned | thats right, I went there. |
| 04:42.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:42.39 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/dawn/dsc_0155-happy-1000.jpg |
| 04:42.43 | Guerin | wins |
| 04:43.11 | lszyba1 | anybody knows if debian has an master ftp server that has every package and every file for that package as it is in .deb file with all the previous versions? |
| 04:43.15 | pickcoder | a pair beats a single card |
| 04:43.17 | pickcoder | :) |
| 04:43.23 | Guerin | lszyba1: not really. |
| 04:43.30 | dmoerner | archive.debian.org |
| 04:43.43 | dmoerner | but that has all the old debs |
| 04:44.06 | Guerin | lszyba1: there is archive.debian.org and snapshot.debian.net in addition to the current archive (wqhich goes back to sarge |
| 04:44.09 | Guerin | ) |
| 04:44.11 | dmoerner | ubuntu has now uploaded all source into bzr branches but debian does not have such a unified system yet |
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| 04:44.34 | stoned | what is ubuntu? |
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| 04:45.06 | dmoerner | actually sarge was moved to archive.d.o about a month ago |
| 04:46.19 | lszyba1 | but does archive and snapshot.debian have the .deb files or what's inside of them? or ? |
| 04:46.26 | dmoerner | it has the .debs |
| 04:47.03 | lszyba1 | dmoerner: what do you know where they have all sources in bzr? if somewhere on a launchpad I might be able to look at it? |
| 04:47.32 | dmoerner | its somewhere on launchpad yes. google is your friend |
| 04:47.45 | lszyba1 | who creates .deb is that a package maintainer which uploads the whole .deb file or he uploads the files and some process makes a .deb? |
| 04:48.31 | dmoerner | the package source is sent to the buildds who do a build of the binary and create the .deb |
| 04:49.04 | dmoerner | since most devs don't have access to 13 archs it would be impossible for there to be direct uploads of debs all the time |
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| 04:50.47 | lszyba1 | would the system store the source somewhere on an ftp accessible to public? |
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| 04:51.11 | dmoerner | lszyba1: um...yes. its in the same directory as the .deb on the servers. |
| 04:51.40 | lszyba1 | would you have an url? |
| 04:53.21 | dmoerner | ftp.debian.org/debian/pool |
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| 04:57.57 | jhambo | Hi folks. wireless networking on my computer is $@%$!-up. Sometimes my connection is dropped and the only way to get it back is to reboot my computer. I'm using lenny with a 2.6.27 kernel and the madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6 modules (which supposedly support my chipset). I'm wondering if there is a conflict between build in kernel modules and the madwifi ones I installed myself. the result of `lsmod | grep ath` is here: http://paste.de |
| 04:57.58 | lszyba1 | I see... http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnupg/ what is udeb? does this directory include every version that was available? |
| 04:58.50 | jmoiron|home | is there a unix utility that gives me a full path of a file |
| 04:59.08 | superjet_busy | !udeb |
| 04:59.09 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 04:59.21 | pickcoder | jmoiron|home: "file" or executable |
| 05:00.31 | jmoiron|home | pickcoder: "which" isn't the droid i'm looking for |
| 05:01.09 | jmoiron|home | i want something that takes a path, either from pwd, or with "~" in it, or something similar, and translates that to a full path |
| 05:01.44 | jmoiron|home | i guess.. file actually does that.. but with extra stuff on it |
| 05:01.48 | lszyba1 | dpkg: so they are not official package? or they are used by Debian installer? |
| 05:01.50 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, lszyba1 |
| 05:03.04 | jmoiron|home | file <name> |cut -d: -f1 seems like it'l do for now.. |
| 05:03.21 | lszyba1 | so basically I shouldn't look at them...I see a 1.4.6 and 1.4.9 versions who would I know what is current and what is the other version? |
| 05:03.23 | jmoiron|home | nothing i have uses spaces or weird stuff |
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| 05:07.46 | lszyba1 | I guess they correspond to etch lenny and sid ....I wonder if there is a way for me to tell.. |
| 05:11.57 | lszyba1 | that might not work.. I just check out the http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnupg/gnupg_1.4.6.orig.tar.gz and its only the original file before it gets converted to a .deb aka where I can find a readme.debian in /usr/share/docs |
| 05:13.32 | lszyba1 | thanks guys...got to go.. |
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| 05:20.04 | jhambo | Sorry to ask again but... wireless networking on my computer is $@%$!-up. Sometimes my connection is dropped and the only way to get it back is to reboot my computer. I'm using lenny with 2.6.27 kernel and the madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6 modules (which supposedly support my chipset). I'm wondering if there is a conflict between built-in kernel modules and the madwifi ones I installed myself. the result of `lsmod | grep ath` is here: h |
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| 05:22.33 | lszyba1 | jhambo: don't have an answer..but I would check if you have most up to date firmware, then google if somebody had similar problem.... |
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| 05:27.47 | stoned | men in black |
| 05:27.52 | stoned | oops |
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| 05:29.04 | dunnen | has anyone set up pulseaudio? |
| 05:29.24 | mohadib | !anyone |
| 05:29.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 05:36.49 | hakr | psh |
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| 05:43.22 | yareckon | hi guys, network manager troubles... running lenny... how can I configure network manager to have a static ip, but pick up dns info from the router/dhcp server? |
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| 05:44.20 | yareckon | or if network manager is not my friend here (google doesn't seem to be my friend either), how can I do this in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:44.22 | yareckon | ? |
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| 05:46.40 | jcarlos_ | !pdiff |
| 05:46.41 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 05:47.41 | swankier | how do I install only one set of packages and dependencies from testing, but leave the rest at stable? |
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| 05:50.48 | yareckon | swankier, read an article about apt "pinning" and priorities I think... should help you |
| 05:50.58 | yareckon | other folks jump in if I'm steering him wrong |
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| 05:59.46 | jhambo | hmmmmmm remind me not to ask for help in #ubuntu.... |
| 06:00.28 | Cattle-Sex | hi boys |
| 06:00.31 | Cattle-Sex | hows it going? |
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| 06:02.14 | yareckon | ok... so runing ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 seems to make the network manager static ip setting stick... while gui didn't seem to do anything |
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| 06:02.38 | yareckon | if I didn't know the ifconfig commands, I wouldn't know what was wrong |
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| 06:04.07 | yareckon | I really hate that piece of software at times, it's so visually simple and straightforward, but options keep moving around and disappearing, and sometimes basic stuff just doesn't seem to work |
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| 06:09.12 | kom0dor | !dpkg why aptitude |
| 06:09.12 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 06:10.22 | Guerin | 942 packages upgraded, 172 newly installed, 83 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:10.22 | Guerin | Need to get 1060MB of archives. After unpacking 275MB will be used. |
| 06:10.26 | Guerin | !bless me |
| 06:10.27 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child guerin, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 06:10.35 | Guerin | !beer me |
| 06:10.35 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Jever for guerin |
| 06:10.40 | Guerin | now I'm ready |
| 06:11.31 | Guerin | that's my much-neglected sid laptop, which hasn't been upgraded in a month or several |
| 06:11.38 | Guerin | actually, more like a year |
| 06:11.57 | kom0dor | heh, I have an old Dell like that |
| 06:12.41 | Guerin | oh, happy |
| 06:12.46 | Guerin | it's lenny, not sid |
| 06:13.08 | Guerin | !info kde sid |
| 06:13.13 | Guerin | !info kde lenny |
| 06:13.52 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:48 (lenny), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 06:13.57 | Guerin | should use judd's version function instead |
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| 06:38.03 | yareckon | late night trolls are the best ones |
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| 06:56.41 | dongs | can someone point me towards the "now" way of doing ipmasq/internet sharing in debian. |
| 06:57.00 | dongs | and i dont mean docs from 2004. |
| 06:57.25 | nullboy | well for starters you now use iptables |
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| 06:58.02 | dongs | i need to bring up simple masq/port forwarding when ppp0 comes up. |
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| 07:00.08 | simonrvn | !ipmasq |
| 07:00.09 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 07:00.41 | dongs | Linux IP Masquerade HOWTO - November 13, 2005 |
| 07:00.42 | dongs | haha. |
| 07:01.03 | simonrvn | and? |
| 07:01.14 | dongs | i said "now" way |
| 07:01.15 | simonrvn | #iptables /topic |
| 07:01.16 | dongs | not 3 years old way. |
| 07:01.37 | simonrvn | yawns |
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| 07:03.29 | aidan | how do I work out what packages provide Parse:RecDescent? |
| 07:04.27 | aidan | or am I meant to use cpan to install perl packages? |
| 07:05.03 | dongs | hahahaha what hte hell is ipmasq theres liek 20 config files |
| 07:05.05 | dongs | where are all the docs |
| 07:05.09 | simonrvn | if it's not in debian you can use dh-build-perl |
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| 07:05.27 | dongs | i just want to enable masquerade and portforward some ports on ifup and turn that off on down |
| 07:05.33 | aidan | simonrvn: how do I check if it's in debian? |
| 07:05.58 | simonrvn | search. for. it. |
| 07:08.00 | dongs | okay, deleting ipmasq. this is ridiculous. |
| 07:08.23 | dongs | ... why didnt it delete /etc/ipmasq shit? |
| 07:09.04 | dongs | so lemme repeat my question |
| 07:09.08 | dongs | can someone point me towards the "now" way of doing ipmasq/internet sharing in debian. |
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| 07:13.04 | dongs | oh waht the HELL |
| 07:13.10 | dongs | simonrvn: HELLO |
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| 07:14.40 | dongs | simonrvn: hello answer me infidel, you just made me install 10 years old shit on my system and now htere's bits and pieces of it all over the fucking /etc and other dirs |
| 07:14.54 | dongs | # v1.0 19 July 1998 |
| 07:15.15 | swankier | well, the pinning advice I was given left we with a gcc that doesn't compile |
| 07:15.16 | swankier | :( |
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| 07:16.34 | dongs | swankier: was it advice given by simonrvn |
| 07:16.51 | dongs | because he just gave ME some advice taht left my system full of trash from 10 years ago!!! |
| 07:16.55 | swankier | yareckon: |
| 07:17.07 | d-b | dongs: your system is 10 years old ? |
| 07:17.09 | dongs | thats like downloading a 300meg tarball and it untars in your home directory! |
| 07:17.17 | nullboy | you know it's bad when your compiler won't compile |
| 07:17.36 | dongs | d-b: you should pay attention, he made me install some stuff with config files from 10 years ago |
| 07:17.45 | dongs | obviously it doesnt work, also |
| 07:20.06 | swankier | alright, I got my system back to normal |
| 07:20.07 | swankier | now |
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| 07:20.41 | swankier | how do I get gluster installed in debian |
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| 07:24.00 | yareckon | swankier, sorry if my advice got you into trouble... believe I suggested you consult google for howtos and just gave you a keyword to get you started |
| 07:24.13 | swankier | ~laugh |
| 07:24.13 | apt | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 07:24.13 | dondelelcaro | swankier: aptitude install glusterfs-client and/or -server |
| 07:24.16 | yareckon | but I'm sorry that your mileage varied :) |
| 07:24.18 | swankier | it wasn't that much trouble |
| 07:24.23 | swankier | I learned a new technique |
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| 07:24.29 | swankier | and then took 30 minutes to reverse it |
| 07:24.37 | yareckon | glad to hear that it wasn't fatal |
| 07:25.01 | swankier | but I want to compile gluster, to that it's at the same version as my other boxes |
| 07:25.09 | swankier | but then I need to have fuse 2.6 |
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| 07:25.41 | dondelelcaro | uh... why not use the version of fuse and gluster in Debian? |
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| 07:25.55 | swankier | version mismatch with my other servers |
| 07:26.00 | swankier | I wouldn't want to loose data. |
| 07:26.42 | dondelelcaro | uh... surely gluster isn't written so horribly that it is unable to talk between different server versions (at least, in a backwards compatible manner) |
| 07:26.58 | swankier | wanna bet a company on it? :) |
| 07:27.41 | dondelelcaro | if you're running different distributions on different servers, you've got issues anyway. |
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| 07:28.31 | swankier | how do you figure? |
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| 07:29.03 | swankier | so what you're saying is that you don't know the answer to my question, right? |
| 07:29.08 | d-b | swankier: well it depends. |
| 07:29.23 | wowa` | hi. anyone have tips for iceweasel (debian sid version) memory utilisation ? because when i surf the memory is dramaticaly use (800mb current), i've close all tab, leave 2 open but memory do not free ... |
| 07:29.32 | swankier | apt-get install -t unstable glusterfs-server will replace everything down to the libc6 |
| 07:29.39 | swankier | I don't think it's a very wise idea, honestly. |
| 07:29.51 | dondelelcaro | swankier: obviosly you aren't going to do that. |
| 07:30.01 | swankier | nods |
| 07:30.04 | dondelelcaro | swankier: if you're running stable, you backport the version in unstable to stable; likewise for testing. |
| 07:30.23 | swankier | cool... now we're getting somewhere. |
| 07:30.25 | swankier | how do I do that? |
| 07:30.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell swankier -about ssb |
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| 07:31.09 | dondelelcaro | swankier: if you're running different versions in your company such that you can't distribute the same version to all of your servers, then that's a problem that you need to resolve |
| 07:31.26 | swankier | I agree |
| 07:31.31 | swankier | I couldn't get php4 to work in rhel |
| 07:31.43 | swankier | debian's much better with the old stuff. |
| 07:31.50 | swankier | soon we'll be ported to php5. |
| 07:31.50 | dondelelcaro | (doubly so if they're entirely different distributions) |
| 07:32.01 | swankier | and back to rhel5 |
| 07:32.25 | d-b | swankier: sure that's up to you -> and red hat |
| 07:32.26 | d-b | !redhat |
| 07:32.35 | d-b | !red hat |
| 07:32.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge |
| 07:32.39 | dondelelcaro | so why don't you fix php4? It's not like it's hard to get it to run... |
| 07:32.51 | swankier | you'd be surprised |
| 07:33.07 | d-b | dondelelcaro: he shouldn't be running php4 at all. its got no security support from upstream - as far as i know. |
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| 07:33.22 | yareckon | that is true as of a couple months ago |
| 07:33.40 | yareckon | erm... more than a couple I guess now |
| 07:33.43 | yareckon | checks calendar |
| 07:33.44 | dondelelcaro | d-b: oh, php's upstream security support has never been paritcularly stellar |
| 07:34.13 | dondelelcaro | but yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if it's got open CVE's now; I haven't been following it |
| 07:34.15 | yareckon | he's porting to 5 as he says |
| 07:34.42 | swankier | but since debian is better at the older stuff... apparently it's not very good at the newer stuff... |
| 07:34.55 | yareckon | oh boy |
| 07:34.55 | swankier | I cannot get fuse and gluster installed at a reasonable version |
| 07:35.07 | swankier | with a stable system, I mean |
| 07:35.13 | dondelelcaro | swankier: just because you're incapable, doesn't mean Debian is. |
| 07:35.16 | swankier | but then again, I'm still learning a lot |
| 07:35.27 | yareckon | ping -> pong |
| 07:35.43 | swankier | dondelelcaro: personal attacks are not necessary, thank you very much. |
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| 07:36.04 | yareckon | swankier, how far behind is stable? |
| 07:36.21 | swankier | fuse = 2.5, I need 2.6. gluster doesn't ship. I need version 1.3.12 |
| 07:36.29 | yareckon | and when you say stable you mean etch, I assume which is about to be replaced |
| 07:36.32 | swankier | I could find gluster 1.3.7 from an unknown repository, mind you |
| 07:36.44 | swankier | I mean... stable. |
| 07:36.46 | swankier | :) |
| 07:36.50 | swankier | ( |
| 07:36.53 | swankier | (yes, etch) |
| 07:36.58 | yareckon | your timing is bad if you want to call new software stable |
| 07:37.14 | yareckon | right when we are about to roll a new definition of stable |
| 07:37.14 | d-b | lenny is stable. |
| 07:37.17 | d-b | enough. |
| 07:37.18 | yareckon | yeah |
| 07:37.22 | yareckon | exactly |
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| 07:37.33 | d-b | its just not official yet. they are working on it (devs and foo) |
| 07:37.37 | swankier | ahhh |
| 07:37.45 | dondelelcaro | swankier: 1.3.12 is what is in unstable. |
| 07:37.48 | swankier | once again, I wouldn't want to bet my company on it :) |
| 07:38.01 | dondelelcaro | (and fuse 2.7, also) |
| 07:38.08 | swankier | I'm long beard old-school unix nerd |
| 07:38.08 | d-b | swankier: well. its debian. stable is for servers. |
| 07:38.28 | yareckon | yeah, stay away from unstable if you are betting anything valuable |
| 07:38.31 | swankier | s/m l/m a l/ |
| 07:38.32 | swankier | ;) |
| 07:39.14 | yareckon | though sid seems to be calm at the moment before lenny drops, I imagine it will change more quickly soon |
| 07:39.31 | yareckon | so isntall lenny if that has the right versions for yoy |
| 07:39.40 | d-b | yareckon: or he can chroot. |
| 07:39.53 | swankier | chroot a kernel module? |
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| 07:40.53 | d-b | what? |
| 07:41.03 | d-b | no... if you need a newer kernel make your own or backport. |
| 07:41.07 | d-b | (make your own) |
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| 07:42.54 | swankier | how would you gentlemen recommend going about updating fuse in the kernel, fuse, and glusterfs? |
| 07:42.59 | dongs | where is errors that happen during init.d/networking restart? |
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| 07:44.04 | swankier | ifconfig -a |
| 07:44.04 | swankier | :) |
| 07:44.10 | dongs | i said ERROR. |
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| 07:44.23 | dongs | eth1 isnt coming up even though i added all the neded shit to interfaces. |
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| 07:44.45 | dondelelcaro | swankier: again, unstable has glusterfs 1.3.12, and fuse 2.7.4; if you need a newer kernel version, it's trivally to compile those too. |
| 07:45.15 | dondelelcaro | dongs: does ifup eth0; work? |
| 07:45.18 | dondelelcaro | s/eth0/eth1/ |
| 07:45.20 | dongs | lets see. |
| 07:45.28 | ubd | is there a heterosexual locationbar for nautilis |
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| 07:45.32 | dongs | yes |
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| 07:45.52 | dondelelcaro | dongs: and what about grep -e auto -e eth1 /etc/network/interfaces; |
| 07:46.21 | dongs | well, i know whats in there, i just filled it with stuff. |
| 07:46.36 | dondelelcaro | dongs: and so, do you have an auto rule for eth1? |
| 07:46.48 | dongs | iface eth1 inet static , address blah, netmask blah, gateway blah, post-up route add blah, pre-down route del blah |
| 07:47.00 | dongs | oh i dont have auto eth1 written i think. |
| 07:47.04 | dongs | i think i need that. |
| 07:47.05 | dondelelcaro | then there you go. |
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| 07:47.39 | dondelelcaro | the network init script calls ifup -a; and/or ifdown -a; |
| 07:47.46 | dongs | hrm still fail |
| 07:47.48 | dongs | wtf |
| 07:48.04 | bolt | udb: no. real men use the console. |
| 07:48.07 | dongs | why is eth0 still up after networking stop? |
| 07:48.33 | dongs | ugh same mistake for the 2nd time, i keep mistypeing auto as auth |
| 07:48.50 | dondelelcaro | dongs: if you have any network filesystems mounted, /etc/init.d/networking stop; won't do anything. |
| 07:49.09 | dondelelcaro | (and anyway, you shouldn't be using that script in most cases) |
| 07:49.19 | dongs | why is that. |
| 07:49.25 | bolt | hm.. why the fuck am i on irc through vnc? |
| 07:49.25 | dongs | how else do i make sure everything works |
| 07:49.35 | bolt-work | better :) |
| 07:49.51 | dondelelcaro | dongs: use ifdown eth1; ifup -a; or similar. |
| 07:50.13 | dondelelcaro | (no point in bringing down your other interfaces) |
| 07:50.38 | dondelelcaro | also, I should note that you can't have two default gateways, which you may have specified... |
| 07:50.45 | dongs | well, no, i want to make sure everything comes back up after reboot etc |
| 07:50.46 | yareckon | swankier, I would suggest you ask on a mailing list if you want folks to ponder your question strategically |
| 07:51.02 | dongs | ever seen a box where configs were last edited 2 years ago and youre afraid to reboot it incase it doesnt come back up? |
| 07:51.35 | dongs | trying to avoid this. |
| 07:51.40 | Guerin | if nothing has been changed, why would it perform differently to last time? |
| 07:51.41 | yareckon | I am unfamiliar with the glusterfs software, and usually run stock debian kernels, so I can't advise you on the suitability on the other solutions suggested here |
| 07:52.07 | swankier | dongs: daily for months. |
| 07:52.11 | swankier | pain in the ass to fix them all. |
| 07:52.19 | yareckon | good luck though |
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| 07:58.20 | dongs | allright now that this is working, back to my original question of whats the 'now' way of doing nat |
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| 07:58.40 | dongs | i mean i know all the manual jazz with iptables etc where do i stick it all for the proper way. |
| 08:01.05 | George-W-Bush | http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ |
| 08:03.35 | dondelelcaro | dongs: I personally use ipmasq; there are a few other things like ferm et al. that also work for normal firewalls. |
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| 08:05.56 | dongs | dude ipmasq what |
| 08:06.03 | dongs | it installed like 300 config files. |
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| 08:06.18 | dongs | i just want to -j mASQERADE or whatever and forward a couple ports. i dont have anything to hide. |
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| 08:12.26 | dongs | The bit about Debian's new way of starting iptables from /etc/network/if-up.d instead of /etc/init.d alone is pure gold. As usual, Debian made this radical change without bothering to document it in any easily findable way. |
| 08:12.26 | dongs | what |
| 08:12.59 | swankier | for the record book |
| 08:13.00 | swankier | apt-get build-dep -t lenny fuse-utils |
| 08:13.09 | swankier | apt-get -b source fuse-utils |
| 08:13.13 | swankier | that wasn't so hard. |
| 08:13.33 | bolt-work | ... |
| 08:13.37 | bolt-work | !simple sid backport |
| 08:13.37 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 08:14.06 | dondelelcaro | dongs: it does the first part by itself; the forwarding you can do by copying /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/examples/dnat/C50dnat.rul to /etc/ipmasq/rules/ and editing it |
| 08:14.56 | dongs | dondelelcaro: uh when i installed ipmasq i saw like 030030303030 config files. |
| 08:15.08 | dongs | i dont want shit happening behind my back i onyl want those 2 things i mentioned |
| 08:15.28 | dongs | how does it know what interface to run stuff for in network/if-up.d? |
| 08:15.37 | dongs | surely i dont want this stuff running for each interface going up... |
| 08:16.44 | LoveGuru | Hi, quick question i just compile new kernel but somehow it won't work so just delete that kernel from every where and in update my grub too but when i did " dpkg --list | grep linux-image " it shows my kernel still there .. |
| 08:17.20 | LoveGuru | how can i remove that non working kernel from there |
| 08:17.22 | simonrvn | it's being managed by the package management system... you remove it using that... |
| 08:17.38 | LoveGuru | simonrvn: well i remove with apt-get |
| 08:17.54 | dondelelcaro | dongs: INTERFACE and a set of other variables is set for them. |
| 08:17.59 | LoveGuru | it shows like " rc linux-image-2.6.27hades " |
| 08:18.11 | LoveGuru | the working kernel shows " ii " |
| 08:18.13 | dongs | ugh |
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| 08:18.20 | LoveGuru | but this one shows rc |
| 08:18.52 | dondelelcaro | s/INTERFACE/IFACE/ |
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| 08:19.05 | dondelelcaro | dongs: see man 5 interfaces; for details |
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| 08:19.36 | dondelelcaro | (the if-up.d are the equivalent of the per-iface up rules, but run for all interfaces) |
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| 08:20.52 | dongs | well ,wehre are the per-iface rules |
| 08:21.09 | dondelelcaro | dongs: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:21.16 | dongs | fuckit i just put [ "$IFACE" == "foo" ] || exit 0 copied from another dong rule, good enough |
| 08:21.25 | LoveGuru | simonrvn: any idea? if i remove kernel my kernel through apt-get then why dpkg shows its still there? |
| 08:21.28 | dongs | dondelelcaro: well yeah, im not gonna add liek 5 up .... lines for each iptables command... |
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| 08:22.52 | dondelelcaro | dongs: so have one that calls a script that does everything else. |
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| 08:23.11 | dongs | seems like a hack. |
| 08:23.31 | bolt-work | ... |
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| 08:24.19 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: didn't you just say you compiled the kernel? did you compile it, or did you install it with apt-get? |
| 08:25.05 | LoveGuru | bolt-work: well i compile it but.. for remove it used apt-get |
| 08:25.43 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: what command did you use to get apt-get to remove your compiled kernel? |
| 08:26.28 | LoveGuru | bolt-work: apt-get remove kernel-version |
| 08:27.23 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: dpkg -r linux-image-2.6.27hades |
| 08:27.41 | LoveGuru | ok |
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| 08:30.24 | LoveGuru | bolt-work: thankyou so much :) works smoothly |
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| 08:30.41 | LoveGuru | bolt-work: but i can't get it though. why apt-get won't work instead or dpkg ? |
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| 08:31.13 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: apt-get only manages packages from the repositories |
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| 08:31.26 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: what you uninstalled was probably the kernel sources, if anything |
| 08:31.38 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: which is why I asked you for the specific command you used |
| 08:31.46 | LoveGuru | ahh.. gotcha |
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| 08:32.08 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: you used dpkg to install the compiled kernel, didn't you? |
| 08:32.21 | LoveGuru | yea |
| 08:32.26 | LoveGuru | i used dpkg |
| 08:32.27 | bolt-work | exactly |
| 08:32.39 | dongs | is if-up.d run after its up or before.. or wat |
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| 08:32.57 | dongs | sigh i dont even see how its gonan work cause i want shit to run AFTER ppp0 is up |
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| 08:33.08 | dongs | which probably means some silly script in ppp directory.. |
| 08:33.15 | LoveGuru | bolt-work: so i used to install dpkg to install something, so for remove i have to isntall dpkg though? instead of apt-get or aptitude? |
| 08:34.16 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: you should never have to install dpkg... it's supposed to be there |
| 08:34.44 | LoveGuru | bolt-work: well i meant that if i used dpkg to install something else for eg kernel. |
| 08:34.48 | outlaw84 | whats the format for seting up a 'bind' mount in fstab? What am I suppose to set as type? |
| 08:35.27 | bolt-work | LoveGuru: for your own packages, yes. i'd guess if you use dpkg to install a package that's managed by apt-get, you could uninstalling it from apt-get, though i've never attempted this |
| 08:35.56 | LoveGuru | bolt-work: alright thx for all info :) so nice 0f ya |
| 08:36.03 | jelly-home | outlaw84: type none, options rw,bind |
| 08:36.32 | outlaw84 | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 08:40.44 | dongs | if i do ifup blah, will if-up.d/ stuff run too? |
| 08:40.44 | stoned | hi |
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| 08:40.57 | dongs | (im too lazy to add prinfts to check) |
| 08:41.03 | bolt-work | stones stoned |
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| 08:41.48 | devnull0 | this could be an FAQ, but how can I install a .deb package with a command automatically installing all dependencies? |
| 08:42.00 | dongs | isnt that how it works by default... |
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| 08:42.25 | devnull0 | I tried "dpkg -i" and get a list of the missing packages the .deb file depends upon |
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| 08:42.49 | craigevil | devnull0: gdebi will install a local package and pull in any depends from the net |
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| 08:43.41 | stoned | khurbunta |
| 08:43.51 | stoned | ! |
| 08:43.57 | bolt-work | throws another rock and stoned |
| 08:43.57 | stoned | omg |
| 08:43.59 | devnull0 | sounds right, but unfortunately it's not a command that's already installed. Is there a way using "apt-get", "aptitude", or "dpkg"? |
| 08:44.03 | bolt-work | at* |
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| 08:44.29 | stoned | devnull0, /msg dpkg installit |
| 08:45.09 | stoned | judd versions gdebi |
| 08:45.10 | judd | stoned: gdebi -- etch: 0.1.6 lenny: 0.3.11debian1+nmu1 sid: 0.3.11debian1+nmu1 |
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| 08:47.36 | stoned | hi lagbolt |
| 08:47.53 | devnull0 | stoned: usually I'd say "install gdebi", but I have a "virtual" package containing only dependencies to make it easier for the user. Having another dependency (that's not installed automatically) would not help much |
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| 08:49.23 | devnull0 | I was hoping for something like "aptitude -p package.deb install" |
| 08:49.47 | stoned | unlucky |
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| 08:50.18 | Aliiiiii | hello |
| 08:50.27 | stoned | hello world |
| 08:50.32 | stoned | ! |
| 08:50.34 | yareckon | let me guess, your keyboard is stuck |
| 08:50.43 | yareckon | the "i" key? |
| 08:50.49 | Aliiiiii | argg le funiona |
| 08:50.50 | Aliiiiii | jejeje |
| 08:50.52 | Aliiiiii | i ami noooo |
| 08:50.53 | yareckon | probably a hardware issue |
| 08:51.31 | stoned | Aliiiiii, english please. There are other non english debian channels if you need one tell us your language |
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| 08:56.43 | stoned | hey |
| 08:56.54 | stoned | !hi |
| 08:56.55 | dpkg | hello, stoned |
| 08:56.59 | stoned | !whats up |
| 08:56.59 | dpkg | nothing much mate, you ? |
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| 08:57.06 | stoned | !chillin |
| 08:57.10 | stoned | :/ |
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| 08:57.30 | nullboy | !say stoned, i wuv jooo |
| 08:57.31 | dpkg | stoned, i wuv jooo |
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| 08:58.06 | merlea | I use debian sid. How do I check to see if my video card is correctly set up? |
| 08:58.32 | stoned | if you have to ask that, you really shouldn't be using debian sid. |
| 08:58.41 | stoned | merlea, and your eyes. |
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| 08:58.59 | swankier | my last question for the night, how to I set the run levels of daemons? |
| 08:59.01 | merlea | I've used it for years and am happy with it. Thanjks |
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| 08:59.33 | stoned | !rcconf |
| 08:59.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 08:59.51 | stoned | !startup |
| 08:59.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x) |
| 09:00.07 | stoned | hm |
| 09:00.12 | stoned | oold |
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| 09:01.49 | stoned | 4am |
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| 09:02.06 | devnull0 | Could "tasksel" be used to automatically install packages and resolve dependencies? |
| 09:02.20 | simonrvn | swankier: why bother? only 3 are used anyway. reboot, halt and rc2 |
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| 09:02.44 | swankier | simonrvn: do you have any idea what you're talking about? |
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| 09:03.16 | stoned | I wouldn't talk to simonrvn like that, and I'm sure he has many ideas. |
| 09:03.48 | nkuttler | swankier: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz for starters |
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| 09:04.19 | swankier | stoned: oh? |
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| 09:06.35 | Supaplex | swankier: debian doesn't utilize init 3,4,5 by default. |
| 09:06.51 | Supaplex | !runlevel |
| 09:06.51 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc> |
| 09:07.14 | swankier | huh. |
| 09:07.31 | Supaplex | swankier: what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:07.37 | stoned | swankier, so yes.. simonrvn has an idea ;) |
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| 09:07.51 | stoned | and for that matter |
| 09:07.54 | stoned | pokes simonrvn |
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| 09:08.15 | simonrvn | back |
| 09:08.21 | simonrvn | was afk... |
| 09:08.27 | stoned | whats going on man |
| 09:08.50 | simonrvn | having a smoke, and learning git |
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| 09:08.55 | stoned | smoke!? |
| 09:08.59 | stoned | get outta here? |
| 09:09.04 | stoned | when did you start smoking? |
| 09:09.08 | stoned | again |
| 09:09.14 | simonrvn | 18 years ago |
| 09:09.22 | stoned | I thought you quit |
| 09:09.33 | simonrvn | no, i only quit pot |
| 09:09.37 | stoned | oh |
| 09:09.41 | scientes | what do you do if log in doesnt work? |
| 09:09.43 | liable | curse for life.. |
| 09:09.47 | scientes | what should i troubleshoot |
| 09:09.48 | stoned | word |
| 09:09.56 | scientes | it just stalls when i enter my username |
| 09:10.07 | simonrvn | scientes: log in single user mode and fix it, of course |
| 09:10.15 | scientes | but what do i fix? |
| 09:10.20 | Supaplex | scientes: what's changed since it was working? |
| 09:10.32 | scientes | its a nfs install |
| 09:10.37 | simonrvn | depends what you broke ;) |
| 09:10.47 | scientes | same thing happened tto the alst one and i reinstalled |
| 09:10.49 | simonrvn | lemme guess nfs /home? |
| 09:10.51 | stoned | probably a /home mismount |
| 09:10.52 | scientes | wth debootstrap |
| 09:10.56 | stoned | perhaps a perm error |
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| 09:11.03 | scientes | its all on thhe same mount |
| 09:11.05 | scientes | vie nfs |
| 09:11.13 | simonrvn | perm, or network, or lockd, or something |
| 09:11.56 | stoned | strapping of the boot! |
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| 09:12.55 | simonrvn | scientes: you sure that's debian you're installing? ;) |
| 09:13.13 | scientes | :( n its actually ubuntu |
| 09:13.33 | stoned | simonrvn, are you psychic too? |
| 09:13.36 | simonrvn | thought so. go to #ubuntu please. that's a known bug. mount with nlock |
| 09:13.44 | simonrvn | er, nolock |
| 09:14.03 | stoned | why do ubuntu users ask for help here? |
| 09:14.25 | stoned | I maybe stoned, but you don't see me go to a fucking burger king and ask for a fucking Big Mac do ya? |
| 09:14.33 | stoned | goddamn |
| 09:14.46 | simonrvn | i've been in #ubuntu, and there are clued people there, so i don't get it. |
| 09:15.00 | sep | stoned, same reason some people have problems with left and right, |
| 09:15.04 | scientes | well can i put the nolock in my pxelinux.cfg? |
| 09:15.10 | stoned | sep, like Bush |
| 09:15.11 | stoned | ;) |
| 09:15.14 | simonrvn | 'twas very scroll-y though |
| 09:15.28 | simonrvn | scientes: #ubuntu |
| 09:15.32 | dondelelcaro | stoned: there's no need to rail against people who are in the wrong channel. Just inform and /ignore |
| 09:15.40 | stoned | I'm sorry |
| 09:15.49 | stoned | I was jesting, I meant no harm, you're right of course |
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| 09:16.15 | dondelelcaro | no problem; it's just hard for people on the end of it to see |
| 09:17.00 | simonrvn | is r6 out yet? i heard rumblings.. |
| 09:17.01 | bolt-work | foo |
| 09:17.07 | simonrvn | bar |
| 09:17.07 | Supaplex | bar |
| 09:17.29 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: its in preparation; I don't know when the final bits of twiddling will happen |
| 09:17.33 | simonrvn | bolt-work: you're turn ;p |
| 09:17.35 | Supaplex | fools say jinx, but I say GMTA :) |
| 09:17.38 | simonrvn | your* |
| 09:17.48 | bolt-work | baz |
| 09:17.53 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: 'k |
| 09:17.58 | simonrvn | quux |
| 09:18.04 | stoned | dude |
| 09:18.15 | stoned | and the other dude |
| 09:18.18 | stoned | shaddup. |
| 09:18.22 | simonrvn | *BZZT* |
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| 09:19.57 | stoned | hey, would it make sense to package jquery and its plugins? lol |
| 09:20.16 | stoned | just wondering.. at least jquery doesn't get updated too often |
| 09:20.55 | stoned | its pretty stable, I mean people can just download it but I mean if you package it, then you can just install it from apt and then uhmm yeh.. ok that probably wouldn't work |
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| 09:21.48 | havocologe | is there a way to send every local user i have an email without to put in every bodies mail adresses ? |
| 09:22.01 | simonrvn | stoned: isn't it already? |
| 09:22.05 | stoned | simonrvn, no |
| 09:22.08 | stoned | I don't think so |
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| 09:22.18 | stoned | jquery is a javascript lib/framework |
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| 09:22.25 | simonrvn | i know |
| 09:22.31 | stoned | well i'll be damned |
| 09:22.41 | Supaplex | havocologe: how hard can it be? |
| 09:22.43 | stoned | judd versions libjs-jquery |
| 09:22.44 | judd | stoned: libjs-jquery -- etch-backports: 1.2.6-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.2.6-1 sid: 1.2.6-1 |
| 09:22.47 | trumpen | I need to measure the speed of two algorithms. Is "init 1" sufficient to stop other processes to steal cpu time and alter the result? |
| 09:22.50 | damned | :D |
| 09:22.57 | stoned | I'll be damne... |
| 09:22.57 | stoned | wtf |
| 09:22.59 | stoned | damned, hi |
| 09:23.34 | Supaplex | trumpen: time(1) isn't good enough? |
| 09:24.07 | damned | morituri te salutant |
| 09:24.19 | Supaplex | !it |
| 09:24.19 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:24.33 | stoned | he was saying hello to me... |
| 09:24.35 | stoned | :/ |
| 09:24.37 | simonrvn | wasn't that latin? |
| 09:24.42 | bolt-work | yes it was |
| 09:24.56 | stoned | superduper |
| 09:25.09 | stoned | duper |
| 09:25.13 | stoned | hehe, thats a freaky word |
| 09:25.37 | simonrvn | !tell stoned -about enter |
| 09:25.52 | stoned | oh no you didn't! |
| 09:25.53 | dondelelcaro | trumpen: uh... why bother? |
| 09:26.17 | simonrvn | extreme time(1) :P |
| 09:26.18 | dondelelcaro | trumpen: just run the two algorithms on the same machine a few thousand times and calculate the mean and std. dev. |
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| 09:28.05 | dondelelcaro | trumpen: assuming the machine is in a relatively similar state, the influence of other processes running on the machine will be reflected in the distribution about the mean |
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| 09:29.22 | trumpen | Supaplex, hmmm... I am checking it ;) |
| 09:29.27 | Supaplex | apt-get install paneca (or however you spell it) |
| 09:29.38 | simonrvn | panacea ? |
| 09:29.52 | Supaplex | looks right. |
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| 09:31.12 | trumpen | dondelelcaro, you are right. I just wanted to know how to get a perfect idle mono-user system :) |
| 09:31.41 | Supaplex | init 0 is pretty idle. |
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| 09:31.53 | Supaplex | efficent too! |
| 09:32.13 | Garda | what's init 0 |
| 09:32.21 | dondelelcaro | trumpen: even then it's not perfectly idle, because there's still network overhead and various kernel threads running |
| 09:32.23 | Garda | like, i know it turns your computer off |
| 09:32.26 | dondelelcaro | Garda: the halt sate |
| 09:32.31 | dondelelcaro | s/ate/tate/ |
| 09:32.44 | Garda | but why is idle |
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| 09:32.48 | Garda | is that a joke |
| 09:32.51 | dondelelcaro | Garda: because it's off? |
| 09:32.54 | Garda | that i missed and now ruined |
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| 09:32.57 | Garda | oh crap |
| 09:33.01 | Garda | is slow tonight |
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| 09:35.19 | Supaplex | hehee :) |
| 09:35.29 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 09:35.52 | Supaplex | Garda: call it a bash.org moment. :D |
| 09:36.26 | swankier | thanks for you help everyone. |
| 09:36.28 | swankier | I appreciate it |
| 09:36.33 | swankier | I got it working |
| 09:36.38 | simonrvn | Supaplex: haha, for sure :) |
| 09:36.42 | simonrvn | swankier: cool |
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| 09:38.08 | DimmuR | i've strange problem on debian testing - every time when i want to hibernate notebook and i'm working on battery it tries to hibernate and blocks screen (password request) and no hibarnation is working. When i'm not on battery it works ok anyone can point me how to resolve this? |
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| 09:43.08 | DimmuR | seems like it fails due to nvidia module :/ |
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| 09:44.17 | simonrvn | i seem to recall something about that module doing similar things.. check BTS (as you should anyway) |
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| 09:47.59 | suzukinder | hi! |
| 09:48.18 | bolt-work | throws a pillow at suzukinder |
| 09:48.37 | DimmuR | simonrvn: bts? |
| 09:48.44 | suzukinder | :) |
| 09:48.46 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 09:48.47 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 09:48.53 | DimmuR | ah |
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| 09:58.55 | aldin | how do i automaticaly boot vboxdrv module during the boot without "scripting", everytime i had to do modprobe vboxdrv before using vbox, is there some way that kernel remembers my last list of modules? |
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| 09:59.19 | aldin | * scripting - no manualy typing modprobe vboxdrv in some boot script |
| 09:59.45 | Eulex | aldin, add it to /etc/modules |
| 10:00.00 | simonrvn | the debian packages do that already... and there's /etc/modules as always |
| 10:00.16 | Nielske | can you output strace to a log file? |
| 10:00.26 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:00.35 | Nielske | strace command > out.log doesn't do the trick |
| 10:00.46 | simonrvn | strace --help |
| 10:00.56 | Eulex | Nielske, use either -o, or redirect stderr too. |
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| 10:01.16 | aldin | Eulex, i read something depmod -aq, but it wont work, any similar way, /etc/modules is half scripting :) |
| 10:01.43 | Nielske | thx Eulex |
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| 10:04.00 | outlaw84 | when I do 'apt-get --reinstall install <package>' is there some way to force reinstallation of all the depecencies as well? |
| 10:04.00 | ma3x | does anyone know how can i make usb headphones working? I get '[55848.092302] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio' when i plug in the headphones, but how i can't hear anything on 'em |
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| 10:04.19 | kaduk | Hi I am getting anying message ERROR and that modules.dep is missing at boot time |
| 10:04.19 | simonrvn | <ot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri </ot> |
| 10:04.26 | kaduk | how to silence it or fix it? |
| 10:04.34 | outlaw84 | ma3x: tried with alsaconf? |
| 10:04.52 | Supaplex | ma3x: Is that ubuntu? |
| 10:04.55 | jelly | ma3x: did you select the output device in your player to be the correct one? |
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| 10:05.08 | ma3x | Supaplex: no, debian |
| 10:05.17 | Supaplex | k :) |
| 10:05.19 | ma3x | jelly: i didn't select anything what should i select? |
| 10:05.25 | kaduk | any help? |
| 10:05.52 | outlaw84 | ma3x: tried with alsaconf? |
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| 10:06.13 | jelly | ma3x: the like message suggests, those headphones are a separate sound card. Treat them as such. |
| 10:06.25 | ma3x | outlaw84: yes, it finds only my intel (integrated speakers) but not the usb headphones |
| 10:06.35 | ma3x | well alsaconf doesnt find them |
| 10:06.44 | Supaplex | kaduk: what have you done to research that issue? |
| 10:06.53 | trochala | Hello, It seems that aptitude search shows different results from apt-cache search |
| 10:07.00 | jelly | ma3x: are they not visible in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 10:07.03 | trochala | any idea why this is happening? |
| 10:07.27 | Supaplex | trochala: by design. |
| 10:07.34 | ma3x | jelly: they're not visible there, no |
| 10:07.57 | ma3x | jelly: i un/plugged them, now they're visible |
| 10:08.03 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.03 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.28 | jelly | ma3x: so, can you see them now in your player? |
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| 10:08.42 | trochala | Supaplex: I am searching for a package and aptitude doesn't show it at all |
| 10:08.57 | ma3x | jelly: however after 'alsaconf' they're not in /proc/asound/cards anymore |
| 10:09.07 | jelly | ma3x: so don't run alsaconf. |
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| 10:09.17 | ma3x | jelly: but how can i play then? |
| 10:09.19 | kaduk | Supaplex, googled but I am already using initramfs-tools |
| 10:09.21 | ma3x | mplayer uses alsa |
| 10:09.27 | Supaplex | trochala: apt-cache handles the search term differently. it's why we suggest using apt-cache to search. |
| 10:09.32 | kaduk | Supaplex, and solutions provided are not working |
| 10:09.35 | Nielske | aptitude update still gives me the http method crashing |
| 10:09.38 | jelly | ma3x: why would you run alsaconf if the device is already there? |
| 10:09.46 | Nielske | output of strace is now online at http://paste.debian.net/23958 |
| 10:09.57 | ma3x | jelly: but why can't i hear any sound then? |
| 10:09.59 | Nielske | anybody has idea what's causing the E: Method http has died unexpectedly |
| 10:10.06 | ma3x | i only hear on the integrated speakers |
| 10:10.10 | jelly | ma3x: did you select that new card in your player? |
| 10:10.22 | trochala | Supaplex: I see, thanks! |
| 10:10.48 | ma3x | jelly: how can i select it in mplayer? |
| 10:11.01 | jelly | ma3x: that's for you to find out |
| 10:11.12 | ma3x | so what's the device name then? |
| 10:11.22 | ma3x | i only see the module snd-usb-audio |
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| 10:12.03 | jelly | ma3x: if they're visible in /proc/asound/cards, you should be able to use them. I guess the player manual will show a way to use an alternate alsa card |
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| 10:12.43 | ma3x | jelly: can you point me an example player that can specify alternate alsa card? |
| 10:13.00 | outlaw84 | ma3x: vlc |
| 10:13.25 | jelly | ma3x: gmplayer? |
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| 10:14.01 | jelly | ma3x: mplayer can definitely do it as well |
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| 10:14.06 | ma3x | outlaw84: where in vlc? i see all you can select is audio output module: oss, alsa ... |
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| 10:14.12 | ma3x | but no device or something like that |
| 10:14.34 | ma3x | ok and what's the device name? |
| 10:14.49 | ma3x | /class/input/input10 ? |
| 10:15.21 | outlaw84 | ma3x: click the advanced options check button |
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| 10:16.11 | outlaw84 | ma3x: when you go in on ALSA, you can get a list of devices |
| 10:16.42 | ma3x | outlaw84: okay it works now |
| 10:16.49 | ma3x | thanks a lot pals! |
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| 10:18.44 | simonrvn | jelly: hellos |
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| 10:19.13 | jelly | hi |
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| 10:20.04 | Knight_Lord | Any idea when we're gonna get emacs with decent fonts in debian? |
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| 10:21.02 | ma3x | any ideas how do i launch skype with alsa=/class/input/input10 |
| 10:21.26 | freddy__ | hi - i'm installing a perle serial card on etch and from dokumentation I get that I 'a configured kernel tree describing how molules are built are required'. How do I find out if I have this ? |
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| 10:27.51 | bolt-work | freddy__: any chance you could rephrase that first sentence? |
| 10:28.57 | buntfalke | Which package contains the neccessary files for "import org.kde.qt.*;" in java? |
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| 10:29.37 | shivraj | hello |
| 10:29.54 | outlaw84 | when I do 'apt-get --reinstall install <package>' is there some way to force reinstallation of all the depecencies as well? |
| 10:30.33 | LoveGuru | outlaw84 : --purge ? |
| 10:30.52 | freddy__ | bolt-work, yeah - I try to install a Perle serial card. I have put it into the machine and now needs to install driver. From the dokumentation of the driver, I see, that I need a configured kernel tree. How do I find out if I have such a one ? |
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| 10:31.35 | kaduk | Supaplex, any idea how to fix it? |
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| 10:33.14 | bolt-work | freddy__: the standard kernels in debian contain a whole lot of modules. probably the stuff you need is there. otherwise, you have to download the kernel sources and configure them to include the modules your documentation says it requires. you can also check for the required modules in /lib/modules/<yourkernelhere> |
| 10:33.38 | buntfalke | outlaw84: apt-get --reinstall --force install $(apt-rdepends -r YourPackageHere|sed '/ .*/d') |
| 10:34.06 | buntfalke | outlaw84: untested, no warrants :-) |
| 10:34.25 | buntfalke | warranties |
| 10:34.33 | bolt-work | freddy__: also, there's this neat thing called module-assistant which can help you install a few additional modules |
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| 10:35.07 | freddy__ | bolt-work, it doesn't say which modules so I'll just give it a try. Thanks |
| 10:35.35 | bolt-work | freddy__: it doesn't say which modules you need but tells you to make sure you have configured the kernel? nice. |
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| 10:43.13 | jelly | !test |
| 10:43.13 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 10:43.23 | jelly | freddy__'s dead? |
| 10:43.28 | pyrohotdog | How do I mount my usb drive (NTFS) where my regular user can use it, not just root? |
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| 10:44.04 | Flumdahl | what can be wrong if the installation stalls on Detecting hardware to find cd-rom drives |
| 10:44.11 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.29 | shivraj | jelly: what do you mean freddy is dead ? |
| 10:45.48 | bolt-work | jelly: yes |
| 10:45.50 | pyrohotdog | Lagbolt: Writeable |
| 10:46.08 | bolt-work | jelly: fred's dead, baby, fred's dead. |
| 10:46.11 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, well there are a few ways to go about it. i suggest ntfs-3g |
| 10:46.13 | bolt-work | rides off on fred's chopper |
| 10:46.20 | Lagbolt | !tell pyrohotdog about ntfs rw |
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| 10:46.35 | shivraj | Flumdahl: possibly check bios settings |
| 10:46.36 | Lagbolt | !tell pyrohotdog about ntfs-3g |
| 10:46.44 | shivraj | Flumdahl: is it a laptop or desktop ? |
| 10:46.46 | Flumdahl | shivraj: check bios for what? |
| 10:46.48 | mhymn_ | Flumdahl: dunno, try with 'pmount' maybe |
| 10:46.49 | Flumdahl | its a desktop |
| 10:46.50 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, you can set it up to be used by default via hal |
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| 10:47.02 | Flumdahl | im am running installation from usb stick |
| 10:47.02 | shivraj | Flumdahl: to see if there is a cdrom configured |
| 10:47.07 | Flumdahl | yes it is |
| 10:47.08 | pyrohotdog | I already have ntfs-3g installed, I can mount the drive, but only from the command line with mount, nautilus will not. And when I mount it from the command line only even root can't write on it. |
| 10:47.26 | Flumdahl | it works fine to. its just that i dont have empty disc so i can do the installation from cd drive |
| 10:47.34 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, ifyou want nautilus to do it by defaul you can set hal up to use ntfs-3g instead of the kernel ntfs |
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| 10:47.40 | shivraj | Flumdahl: I dont know its not finding some hardware, how long did it "stall" for ? |
| 10:48.00 | Flumdahl | shivraj: it just stand there. |
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| 10:48.11 | Flumdahl | does not go further |
| 10:48.16 | shivraj | Flumdahl: just get a cd, USB could be why |
| 10:48.18 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, http://www.archlinux.it/wiki/index.php?title=HAL |
| 10:48.42 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, scroll down to device specific policies |
| 10:49.45 | branch_integrati | er. wrong window? |
| 10:51.23 | jelly | bolt-work: I'll take the chopped. |
| 10:51.28 | jelly | chopper* |
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| 10:55.16 | pyrohotdog | I'm lost. |
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| 10:56.19 | bolt-work | sends out a seach party |
| 10:56.23 | bolt-work | search* |
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| 10:56.48 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:56.58 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, what are you lost about? |
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| 10:57.49 | bolt-work | pyrohotdog: instead of using nautilus to mount it, have you considered autofs? dunno if it applies to your situation, but i find it very useful, as suddenly every application can mount the file system :) |
| 10:58.29 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, are you running lenny or etch? |
| 10:58.36 | pyrohotdog | I'm running lenny |
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| 10:58.52 | pyrohotdog | and actually, it is an internal ntfs drive I'm working with. sorry about that. |
| 10:59.06 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, does /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-ntfs-config-write-policy.fdi exist? |
| 10:59.16 | pyrohotdog | It does now. |
| 10:59.30 | Lagbolt | great |
| 10:59.37 | Lagbolt | so restart hal |
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| 11:00.36 | bolt-work | pyrohotdog: internal as in the same machine? why not use fstab? |
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| 11:00.57 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, oh man |
| 11:01.04 | Lagbolt | use fstab! |
| 11:02.26 | pyrohotdog | My mistake! Yes, I have a line written in fstab, and nautilus gives me permission denied errors while attempting to mount it. |
| 11:02.38 | dongs | denied to the max |
| 11:03.05 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, if it is internal and mounted by fstab why would nautilus try to mount? can you pastebin your fstab? |
| 11:04.51 | bolt-work | cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit |
| 11:04.51 | bolt-work | :D |
| 11:04.55 | bolt-work | love that script |
| 11:05.07 | jelly | Lagbolt: not he didn't say "mounted by fstab", but "there's a line in fstab" |
| 11:05.13 | jelly | Lagbolt: might be noauto |
| 11:05.36 | Lagbolt | yeah i saw that, thats why i asked him to pastebin his fstab so i could take a look and make a suggestion |
| 11:05.51 | pyrohotdog | http://pastebin.com/m3ba46af1 |
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| 11:07.03 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, yeah , i do not believe nautilus has privelleges to mount that drive. you can mount it from command line |
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| 11:07.16 | Lagbolt | if you get rid of the noauto, it will mout at boot and you wont have to worry about it |
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| 11:07.39 | kise | Hi, anyone here know a lot about multidisk (md0 and so on) ... i am running a Raid5 , but i would like to add more disks to it, is this possible? or do i need to reconfigure it, and take out the data first? |
| 11:07.41 | pyrohotdog | I know. I said I could mount it from the command line. But when I mount it from the command line I can't write to it. |
| 11:07.53 | Lagbolt | kise, are you using mdadm? |
| 11:08.32 | kise | yes |
| 11:09.15 | Lagbolt | kise there is a file you can look in. /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.recipes.gz that might help. also man mdadm |
| 11:09.32 | kise | Thank You Lagbolt =) |
| 11:09.57 | Lagbolt | kise, also http://scotgate.org/2006/07/03/growing-a-raid5-array-mdadm/ |
| 11:10.23 | Lagbolt | kise, google is very handy. things like "mdadm add drive raid5" return useful results :) |
| 11:10.55 | kise | did not realise that the name of the product was, mdadm ;) hehe |
| 11:11.09 | Lagbolt | pyrohotdog, when you mount it.. what command are you using? |
| 11:11.20 | Lagbolt | kise, ah that helps lol |
| 11:12.12 | kise | i was like searching for multidisk add disk and, no usefull results, only a realy old one from 1997, that said it was still to be included |
| 11:12.33 | kise | Whel thanks for the help, in pointing the direction lagbolt |
| 11:12.39 | Lagbolt | anytime kingsley |
| 11:12.43 | Lagbolt | i mean anytime kise |
| 11:12.53 | Lagbolt | sorry kingsley |
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| 11:18.45 | WolvBite | Morning all. I'm having audio paussing issues while playing an audio cd with Soundjuicer. Can anyone help with this issue. I'm working from a standard Gnome install installed with gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 11:21.25 | kise | WolvBite, what is the issue? |
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| 11:22.38 | WolvBite | well it looks like when the cdrom looks to read it takes too long to load up the next bits ouf the audio and subsequently I get a pause in the audio play |
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| 11:25.23 | WolvBite | kise- ok I just put the music dc in the other cd drive and it is playing with no pausing |
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| 11:27.21 | WolvBite | so it appears that Debian and Soundjuicer are working with the other drive bu not the first one. is there a way to run a test on my first CD drive |
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| 11:29.19 | kise | you could try to rip the music, to see if it uses sensable time to do the job, but keep in mind that not all cdroms are the same quality, or work at in the same way.. so this could be just a minour thing |
| 11:29.52 | badcloud | which web browser would you guys recommend on gnome, 1200 mhz, 256 ram? |
| 11:30.00 | badcloud | opera is a smidge sluggish |
| 11:30.33 | craigevil | badcloud: use a lighter desktop |
| 11:30.56 | badcloud | was thinking about kde |
| 11:31.14 | craigevil | kde/gnome/xfce will all run slow with that amount of ram |
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| 11:31.26 | badcloud | so what did you have in mind? |
| 11:31.32 | bolt-work | blackbox |
| 11:31.41 | kise | Iceweasel, blackbox, NOFLASH!! |
| 11:31.44 | bolt-work | or even better: ratpoison! |
| 11:31.46 | craigevil | you might take a look at lxde/openbox/fluxbox |
| 11:32.17 | badcloud | cool, thanks |
| 11:32.52 | kise | badcloud, have a look at ebay for some memmory, it is well spent money |
| 11:33.25 | badcloud | ha, right |
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| 11:33.45 | badcloud | might do |
| 11:34.06 | riz_ | Hi. I need to exclude /usr/src and /var/lib from this find: find / -mtime -7 -print -xdev .How to do it? |
| 11:34.12 | kise | the cpu is ok, for normal browsing, but a Gb of memmory would not hurt, besides loads of cheep memmory modules that people have as left over after they have upgraded. |
| 11:34.27 | badcloud | not sure uswsusp would work tho |
| 11:34.37 | badcloud | or, wait, it would |
| 11:34.39 | badcloud | sorry |
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| 11:38.12 | nkuttler | riz_: grep? |
| 11:38.44 | riz_ | nkuttler no. |
| 11:39.06 | nkuttler | riz_: what's wrong with it? |
| 11:39.15 | riz_ | nkuttler for grep, I need to know the filename part. I don't know it. |
| 11:39.48 | riz_ | I need to search in all filesystem the file changed in last week, exclude the dir /usr/src and /var/lib |
| 11:40.43 | nkuttler | riz_: not sure if i understand what you mean. you're aware of the grep -v option? |
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| 11:42.14 | nkuttler | riz_: grep -v '^/blah/blah' |
| 11:42.20 | Nielske | Dear all, I think by the lack of error messages this must be a bug with aptitude update |
| 11:42.24 | Nielske | http://paste.debian.net/23962/ |
| 11:42.36 | riz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.50 | nkuttler | riz_: getting closer. man grep, see anchoring |
| 11:46.52 | mordy | what does the -7 argument do? |
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| 11:47.30 | nkuttler | mordy: -mtime |
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| 11:48.17 | mordy | oh, days |
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| 11:49.16 | RichiH | !mysql4 |
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| 11:49.25 | RichiH | kicks dpkg |
| 11:49.27 | RichiH | !test |
| 11:49.27 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:49.31 | mordy | lol |
| 11:49.32 | spx2 | how do I change from xfce to kde ? |
| 11:49.40 | spx2 | I can't remember what app to use to change from one to the other |
| 11:49.44 | mordy | gdm |
| 11:49.50 | spx2 | oh thanks |
| 11:49.50 | mordy | or kdm |
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| 11:51.18 | craigevil | su |
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| 11:52.58 | RichiH | is http://debian.mytso.net/etch/ a trustworthy source for packages? |
| 11:53.59 | craigevil | !mirrors |
| 11:54.00 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 11:54.09 | RichiH | craigevil: it's a non-official one |
| 11:54.15 | RichiH | i need mysql 4 for eth |
| 11:54.16 | stew | RichiH: you need mysql4? |
| 11:54.17 | RichiH | etch |
| 11:54.19 | RichiH | yes |
| 11:54.31 | stew | RichiH: have you tried installing the sarge packages on etch? |
| 11:54.50 | RichiH | stew: not yet, i am pondering which i want to do |
| 11:55.02 | stew | RichiH: would it be helpful for me to suggest that postgres is better than mysql? |
| 11:55.07 | RichiH | reportedly, the sarge stuff installs just fine on etch |
| 11:55.16 | RichiH | stew: no, as i am aware of the fact :) |
| 11:55.21 | stew | :) |
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| 11:58.19 | spx2 | ok |
| 11:58.24 | spx2 | it's always starting in xfce |
| 11:58.29 | spx2 | how do I change my display manager ? |
| 11:58.33 | RichiH | !oldstable |
| 11:58.33 | dpkg | hmm... oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is supported. Previously Sarge (3.1). Ask me about <oldstable security>. |
| 11:58.34 | spx2 | to kde |
| 11:58.43 | craigevil | spx2: Session |
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| 11:59.27 | PriitM | Good morning! I'm having issues with latest debian testing installed by netinstall, it's fresh. Getting system crashes while starting MTA, if I disable MTA and reboot kerneloops will appear and system will crash again. I've tried waiting for a while, but didn't load nonetheless. I can boot in single user mode fine. |
| 11:59.41 | spx2 | craigevil: uhm what's that ? |
| 12:00.00 | mhymn_ | spx2: you already installed kde? |
| 12:00.10 | spx2 | mhymn_: yes |
| 12:00.14 | craigevil | spx2: on gmd/kdm look for Session and pick what you want |
| 12:00.25 | mordy | i don't thihnk both can exist at the same time IIRC |
| 12:00.37 | mordy | session is a GUI menu |
| 12:00.45 | mordy | on the bottom right of the login screen |
| 12:00.57 | spx2 | I can't find it over here |
| 12:01.07 | mordy | spx2, where are you looking for it? |
| 12:01.13 | spx2 | sudo kdm |
| 12:01.15 | spx2 | nothin happens |
| 12:01.20 | craigevil | logout |
| 12:01.25 | spx2 | and afterwards ? |
| 12:01.26 | mordy | and restart X |
| 12:01.28 | craigevil | its on the kdm/gdm login screen |
| 12:01.40 | craigevil | look for Session |
| 12:01.42 | spx2 | can't I just edit a config file ? |
| 12:01.47 | mordy | hmmm |
| 12:03.17 | nkuttler | RichiH: i thought mysql5 is able to run in a compatible mode. man mysqld, sql modes |
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| 12:05.13 | mhymn_ | spx2: what dm you have now? |
| 12:05.21 | mordy | i'm looking |
| 12:05.31 | mordy | maybe something in /etc/gdm/ would let you change it |
| 12:06.35 | craigevil | why try to do it the hard way when all you have to do is logout and click Session then choose the de you want? |
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| 12:07.03 | mordy | craigevil, there is charm in trying the hard way |
| 12:07.14 | spx2 | mhymn_: kdm I guess, not sure |
| 12:07.26 | mordy | when you look at a config file, you always see some options you never even thought existed |
| 12:07.27 | spx2 | mhymn_: but it's running xfce and I want kde |
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| 12:08.55 | mordy | is there anythihng wrong with this command? i want it to look in all subdirectories for thihs text, but it just hangs there: " grep -R "*kde*" |
| 12:09.12 | spx2 | I would search for xfce |
| 12:09.17 | spx2 | because that's the problem over here |
| 12:09.21 | mhymn_ | spx2: dpkg -l | egrep 'kdm|gdm' <-- tell use the output |
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| 12:09.39 | spx2 | stef@stefan:/etc/kde3$ dpkg -l | egrep 'kdm|gdm' |
| 12:09.39 | spx2 | ii kdm 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 X display manager for KDE |
| 12:10.02 | mordy | kdm should have the same options |
| 12:10.20 | mordy | you need to look closely since those menus on the bottom can be quite small depending on your dpi |
| 12:10.21 | nkuttler | mordy: man grep, synopsis |
| 12:11.19 | spx2 | I can't get to the kdm config screen |
| 12:11.21 | spx2 | how do I do that ? |
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| 12:13.03 | craigevil | spx2: kcontrol |
| 12:13.58 | mhymn_ | spx2: update-alternatives --display x-session-manager <-- output |
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| 12:17.12 | shikshik | i know this is off topic but, what would you guys rather have, $150,000 lump sum, or $10,000/month of income? |
| 12:17.37 | spx2 | shikshik: you dead |
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| 12:19.33 | Industrial | How do I search for installed packages with apt-get/apt-cache? |
| 12:20.20 | gsamsa | Industrial: you don't |
| 12:20.38 | Industrial | then how do I see what I have installed |
| 12:20.47 | gsamsa | use aptitude |
| 12:20.49 | craigevil | apt-cache policy will tell you if a certain package is installed |
| 12:20.51 | mordy | or dpkg |
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| 12:21.48 | RichiH | stew: other than pinning each and every package in question, is there a clean way to install the etch package on sarge? the transitional package from sarge is thouroughly hindering me from keeping 4.1 installed. |
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| 12:22.14 | RichiH | erm, switch srage & etch :p |
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| 12:22.45 | RichiH | and -t sarge does not work, either |
| 12:23.30 | s14ck | linux-image-2.6-686 is broken |
| 12:23.55 | gsamsa | isn't that a dummy package? |
| 12:24.00 | gsamsa | how can it be broken |
| 12:24.08 | RichiH | it is a dummy package |
| 12:24.47 | mordy | yeah, the real package is 2.6.xx-x-arch |
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| 12:26.33 | s14ck | the same thing |
| 12:26.44 | spx2 | I re-sym-linked x-session-alternative |
| 12:26.56 | spx2 | now it kind of works but it's messy |
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| 12:27.06 | spx2 | I mean kde started now |
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| 12:27.43 | s14ck | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 is broken |
| 12:27.46 | s14ck | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 is broken |
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| 12:28.04 | s14ck | with post-install grub script |
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| 12:28.28 | gsamsa | s14ck: don't worry, just never reboot that machine again. |
| 12:28.46 | s14ck | :s |
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| 12:30.13 | dustybin | anybody here use a turtle beach USB soundcard on debian? |
| 12:30.38 | s14ck | nope |
| 12:30.43 | dongs | i cant say I've ever owned a machine running lunix which had any kind of audio output. |
| 12:30.55 | dustybin | why not |
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| 12:31.00 | dongs | take a wild guess. |
| 12:31.27 | spersaud | how can you find out what flavor of unix a shell is using ? |
| 12:31.56 | mordy | uname -a? |
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| 12:32.28 | Raylz | is the only difference between iceweasel and firefox the branding? |
| 12:32.46 | spersaud | Raylz: the logo I believe |
| 12:33.48 | outlaw84 | when I do 'apt-get --reinstall install <package>' is there some way to force reinstallation of all the depecencies as well? |
| 12:34.28 | spersaud | Raylz: the logo has some kind of licensing, and since debian is 100% free, they removed it and repackaged it |
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| 12:34.56 | Raylz | spersaud: the kernel itself, is it tainted? |
| 12:35.26 | spersaud | Raylz: what kernel ? |
| 12:35.34 | Raylz | spersaud: the linux kernel debian ships |
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| 12:35.56 | spersaud | Raylz: what do you mean by tainted ? |
| 12:36.32 | gsamsa | my vaio plays sound on the speaks and headphones at the same time :s |
| 12:36.49 | Raylz | spersaud: mixed with nonfree stuff like firmware |
| 12:37.01 | spersaud | Raylz: no .. |
| 12:37.11 | Raylz | gsamsa: which kernel do you use? |
| 12:37.27 | Raylz | gsamsa: uname -r |
| 12:37.33 | mordy | gamsa, remove the headphones and plug them back in |
| 12:37.37 | mordy | i think that works |
| 12:37.44 | gsamsa | Raylz: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 12:37.56 | gsamsa | mordy: didn't work |
| 12:38.11 | gsamsa | i think i need to add a line /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 12:38.12 | Raylz | gsamsa: hm, ok, i had that problem back then, when i used 18 |
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| 12:38.25 | adrigo | Whem I am trying install Debian in my pc with to hd 250 in RAID 0 Debian see separeted hds |
| 12:38.50 | adrigo | what can I do to install it |
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| 12:45.09 | rwat | adrigo: are you using a proper hardware raid card? |
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| 12:47.43 | adrigo | it is onbord asus Am2 M2n-Sli Deluxe |
| 12:48.17 | petemc | !fakeraid |
| 12:48.18 | dpkg | i guess fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
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| 12:50.26 | adrigo | ok |
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| 12:50.30 | adrigo | thks |
| 12:50.37 | adrigo | I will try it |
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| 12:56.52 | thing1 | is there an easy way to comile a pachage for debain and have all files go to thier correct location? |
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| 12:57.16 | apostle | I apologize probably the wrong place to ask....Is there a Debian Hall of Fame? |
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| 12:58.36 | mhymn_ | thing1: might be helpful --> /msg dpkg mg |
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| 13:06.42 | frankS2 | any good password keepers for linux? |
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| 13:06.53 | dongs | vi passwd.txtx |
| 13:06.59 | frankS2 | lulz |
| 13:07.43 | frankS2 | thats not a good idea dongs |
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| 13:09.03 | dustybin | are there any ALSA experts in here? |
| 13:11.36 | dustybin | "I had virtually no problem installing this device and it was recognized immediately under Debian. " |
| 13:11.42 | dustybin | grrr if only that was true |
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| 13:13.19 | joiguru | hi guys i am upgrading from lenny to sid !! Is aptitude full-upgrade enough for that after changing the sources.list ? |
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| 13:13.47 | gfather | hello guys , anyone familiar with openswan ? |
| 13:14.02 | dongs | no, but you should use racoon instead. |
| 13:14.18 | gfather | why ? |
| 13:14.27 | dongs | because it works. |
| 13:14.38 | dongs | http://ipsec-tools.sourceforge.net/ etc. |
| 13:14.50 | mhymn_ | dustybin: #alsa ? |
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| 13:15.20 | superjet_busy | joiguru: no, you may encount bugs and need deltele some packages |
| 13:15.37 | dongs | bedtime |
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| 13:16.43 | joiguru | aptitude is deleting some. Is that not enough ? |
| 13:16.54 | dustybin | it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 13:17.29 | randomnick93485 | when the machine is booting, who sets the locales and the system language? anyone from rc.d? |
| 13:18.17 | dustybin | 5.1 surround works too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:18.48 | superjet_busy | of course, you can reinstall those days later, maybe |
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| 13:22.00 | gfather | <dongs> do u know where i can find how to on ipsec-tools , all that time iv been reading on openswan |
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| 13:24.23 | WolvBite | Hey all. Running Debian Lenny. Iceweasel installed. Under addons It shows I have two plugins from Helix DNA Plugin RealPlayer of two different versions. I install one from the internet the other is from the default install of Iceweasel. How do I remove the default "early version" |
| 13:24.35 | wiedenmann | is .bash_profile replaced by .profile in testing? |
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| 13:24.52 | wiedenmann | I cant find a /etc/skel/.bash_profile |
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| 13:27.27 | q-tip | i have just shifted a redhat server to a debian server and I have all working except I need adobe-helvetica for a web application can somebody point me in the right direction ? |
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| 13:28.04 | elderK | hey guys? |
| 13:28.18 | elderK | has anyone had the issue of 4.0r5 failing to detect the CDROM on boot? |
| 13:28.24 | elderK | it just hangs, searching for hardware. |
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| 13:28.28 | elderK | I cant seem to get past that. |
| 13:28.35 | elderK | Im running on a Apple Macbook. |
| 13:28.39 | elderK | Santa Rosa. |
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| 13:29.33 | asg | elderK: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook <---- may have some info |
| 13:29.39 | Nyha | Hi, I just waned to ask, is there a gentoo-like install way for debian? |
| 13:29.41 | elderK | :) asg, been there :( |
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| 13:29.52 | Nyha | And is there a guide? |
| 13:29.59 | Feeernando | i on a MacBook Pro |
| 13:30.06 | elderK | also, has anyone had any pain with 965G videocard and external displays? |
| 13:30.11 | elderK | I cant even get a signal to the VGA. |
| 13:30.18 | elderK | even though xrandr shows them as connected. |
| 13:30.21 | elderK | Feeernando: |
| 13:30.24 | elderK | Any advice man? |
| 13:30.31 | elderK | I mean, Debian works fine in Fusion |
| 13:30.37 | elderK | but it hangs badly on native. |
| 13:30.47 | elderK | The issue is that the CDROM keeps echoing back "Invalid command code..." "Time out" |
| 13:30.48 | elderK | etc. |
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| 13:30.56 | elderK | the Debian CD is valid, too, MD5s checked happy. |
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| 13:32.02 | jimpy | hi, i failed a bit at an apache2 setup and im trying to reinstall it, i cant get the original default config files to be created. any suggestions |
| 13:32.23 | elderK | and for those that care, |
| 13:32.30 | nkuttler | jimpy: purge the packages, reinstall |
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| 13:32.33 | elderK | hdd is sata - /dev/sda, cdrom is /dev/hda |
| 13:32.38 | elderK | which amy be why it is failing to detect? |
| 13:32.48 | jimpy | ive done |
| 13:33.02 | elderK | jimpy: |
| 13:33.03 | asg | jimpy: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:33.04 | elderK | remove it :P |
| 13:33.19 | nkuttler | jimpy: purge != remove. or confmiss, probably more work though |
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| 13:33.34 | jimpy | apt-get --purge remove apache2 but upon reinstall it doesnt recreate the configs |
| 13:33.53 | path | elderK, try get packages from experimental |
| 13:34.06 | path | http://blog.venthur.de/2008/11/25/lenovo-t500-shiny-new-laptop/ check out that |
| 13:34.08 | stew | jimpy: the configs are in the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package |
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| 13:34.18 | path | it has the chipset |
| 13:34.47 | elderK | path: im on dialup :P pain |
| 13:34.56 | path | dialup? oh god |
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| 13:35.00 | bazyL | hi. how to use chroot with openssh-server in debian sid ? |
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| 13:35.41 | stew | bazyL: have you read about ChrootDirectory in "man sshd_config" ? |
| 13:35.50 | jimpy | stew: many thanks |
| 13:36.05 | path | chroot is not meant to protect your openssh-server |
| 13:36.08 | jimpy | it worked |
| 13:36.23 | stew | path: yes it is |
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| 13:36.49 | elderK | brb guys, going to try something |
| 13:37.03 | path | stew, is that the goal of chroot ? |
| 13:37.04 | pablo | hi, i wanted to install a package and i noticed it has been removed from lenny, and in sid there is only the debports]: kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 |
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| 13:37.26 | stew | path: that is the goal of the ChrootDirectory option recently added to openssh-server |
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| 13:37.51 | path | well thats new for me :] |
| 13:38.02 | bazyL | stew, nice. but if i do not want chroot all users ? |
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| 13:39.57 | stew | bazyL: i don't know. I'm planning on running two servers, one with it enabled one without |
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| 13:41.15 | MikeH | Hello all, I'd like to rebuild my kernel, as it is, just changing a constant value in a header - now I understand I can change the header, and rebuild it into a deb? Could anyone point me in the right direction on how to do this? A guide somewhere? Google just seems to bring up recompiling from a vanilla kernel. |
| 13:41.33 | bazyL | stew, ok thank |
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| 13:42.29 | jelly | MikeH /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:42.38 | mquin | MikeH: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 13:46.20 | MikeH | That guide doesn't seem to match what I've got through, I apt-get source kernel-image-xen.... |
| 13:46.53 | MikeH | nad have a dsc, diff.gz, dfsg and an orig.tar.gz |
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| 13:49.47 | pablo | hi, i wanted to install a package and i noticed it has been removed from lenny, and in sid there is only the debports]: kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386. why may have it benn removed? |
| 13:50.25 | asg | pablo: /msg dpkg why is <pkg> not in testing |
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| 13:50.53 | superjet_busy | pablo: rebuild it |
| 13:51.48 | stew | pablo: check http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename it should show some REMOVED emails in the news section, those would list a bug they were closing, that bug should have the reasons for removal |
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| 13:55.00 | pablo | ok thanks |
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| 13:59.16 | MikeH | Hi guys, I'm having problems trying to get the xen kernel source over apt |
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| 13:59.37 | MikeH | I've done - apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 - which gives me a kernel source, but it would seem the xen stuff is missing (include/asm-xen/) for example |
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| 14:00.47 | FILLVAIO2 | <stew> Hi man. Are you here? |
| 14:01.29 | FILLVAIO2 | Does anybody know is true? If i disable ipv6 connections i will speed up my internet connection? |
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| 14:03.10 | stew | FILLVAIO2: i'm here |
| 14:03.19 | stew | FILLVAIO2: i can't imagine how that would be true |
| 14:03.56 | jelly | FILLVAIO2: you will speed up DNS lookups |
| 14:04.34 | jelly | FILLVAIO2: this might or might not be noticeable in end-user applications |
| 14:04.55 | mikedub | i would expect any performance boost to be negligible at best |
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| 14:05.57 | furious | Whole day I've f-ed around with installs and removing sh-- from runlevels and yet runlevel 2 crashes on loading |
| 14:05.59 | jelly | mikedub: consider the case where you don't have ipv6 connectivity, but an app gets a resolved AAAA record and tries to connect to some host over ipv6 |
| 14:06.40 | jelly | mikedub: I've seen that happen apt and debian mirrors more than once |
| 14:07.00 | jelly | !noipv6 |
| 14:07.00 | dpkg | i heard noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 14:07.05 | mikedub | I guess i hadn't considered that :) |
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| 14:07.28 | jelly | killing the stupid mdns/avahi/zeroconf can help too |
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| 14:08.39 | jelly | thinks a common clueless user would benefit from having mdns in nsswitch.conf disabled by default; same with ipv6 |
| 14:10.54 | pablo | what does it mean a package is orphaned? |
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| 14:12.09 | jelly | pablo: there is no maintainer to take care of it; it will likely a) not get upgrades or fixes, and b) removed from the next debian release |
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| 14:14.39 | FILLVAIO2 | <stew> ok, me too. But i have find some information about it in internet. |
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| 14:15.29 | FILLVAIO2 | <stew> Is there any way to test broadband speed of my server connection? I think this not 100mb/s full duplex. |
| 14:16.02 | stew | FILLVAIO2: please ask the channel instead of asking all of your questions to me specifically |
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| 14:16.04 | pablo | jelly: ok, i will have to read debian policy |
| 14:16.25 | FILLVAIO2 | Guys! Is there any way to test broadband speed of my server connection? I think this not 100mb/s full duplex. |
| 14:17.19 | xand | FILLVAIO2: use ethtool to see what the link speed is |
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| 14:41.09 | owned | hi |
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| 15:04.38 | thing1 | i need squid3 with the null enabled for cash and apperently its not when i go apt-get install squid3 |
| 15:04.41 | thing1 | what cn i do |
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| 15:11.15 | naivo | my imac can't boot, it seems to load the kernel because it loads some drivers, but then says unable to mount root file system ! (/dev/hda3) and then drop me to ash, but how can it be since the kernel is on /dev/hda3 ?? |
| 15:12.23 | abrotman | broken filesystem? devices changed ? |
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| 15:16.01 | naivoo | can it be a kernel problem or a module problem ? |
| 15:16.11 | naivoo | it's a new installlation |
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| 15:18.06 | abrotman | it could be |
| 15:18.57 | naivoo | well, in busybox, when typing : ls /dev/hd*, there's no answer |
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| 15:21.05 | MikeH | I've just build a kernel, dpkg -i the resulting linux-modules- and linux-image-, is it just a case of rebooting now? |
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| 15:23.03 | naivoo | abrotman, modprobe ide-disk made the job but |
| 15:23.10 | abrotman | weird |
| 15:23.26 | naivoo | why §§ |
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| 15:24.13 | abrotman | i'd think that should have been done by the initrd stuff |
| 15:24.53 | naivoo | yes i gonna look into /etc/initramfs/modules |
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| 15:31.04 | abrotman | naivoo: you may have to dpkg-reconfigure your kernel image after changing that |
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| 15:31.31 | MikeH | Is dpkg -i'ing a new kernel-image and kernel-modules enough to install a new kernel (ie. a reboot and it's done) |
| 15:31.37 | MikeH | or do Ineed to be doing something else? |
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| 15:35.50 | abrotman | MikeH: as long as your kernel was compiled correctly |
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| 15:36.24 | MikeH | The problem I'm having is, I've recompiled a kernel using this guide: http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/easily-build-a-debian-xen-kernel-package-without-pae-22254 |
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| 15:36.40 | MikeH | But doing a make menuconfig in the middle to select a higher kernel "hz" (1000) |
| 15:36.43 | abrotman | MikeH: why would you rebuild without PAE instead of just using the ones debian already has ? |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | oh .. xen .. missed that bit |
| 15:37.01 | MikeH | yet upon reboot, it still seems to be at 250Hz |
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| 15:37.42 | MikeH | it wasn't the without PAE I was specifically looking for, just a guide on rebuilding a kernel for xen. |
| 15:37.45 | gsamsa | why does sane depend on gimp? |
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| 15:38.37 | mhymn_ | gsamsa: it doesn't |
| 15:39.06 | gsamsa | ? |
| 15:39.21 | abrotman | gsamsa: using aptitude to install? try -R |
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| 15:39.25 | gsamsa | "apt-get install sane" installs gimp |
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| 15:39.41 | abrotman | gsamsa: which version of debian ? |
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| 15:39.44 | gsamsa | lenny |
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| 15:39.46 | mhymn_ | 'depends' and 'suggests' are different things |
| 15:40.01 | cryptnix | Guys, what is the package for apt for getting the mysql headers? |
| 15:40.05 | gsamsa | i'm telling you, it install gimp. |
| 15:40.11 | gsamsa | *installs |
| 15:40.17 | abrotman | gsamsa: paste the output |
| 15:40.17 | MikeH | abrotman: would that method I used use a different config to that I edited with just "make menuconfig" ? |
| 15:40.17 | mhymn_ | that's what i told you |
| 15:40.18 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:40.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:40.30 | abrotman | MikeH: but debian provides xen kernels also |
| 15:40.31 | Unode | hy everyone, I want to start mysqld with the --ansi argument, is there any place where I can put this or do I need to edit the init.d/mysql file? |
| 15:40.51 | MikeH | abrotman: My point is, I needed to alter the Kernel Hz |
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| 15:40.58 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:41.14 | mhymn_ | cryptnix: something around 'libmysql' iirc |
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| 15:41.39 | gsamsa | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/23985/ |
| 15:42.00 | Neverb | can anyone tell me which packeges have to be installed on 64-bit lenny for compatibility with 32-bit programms ? |
| 15:42.21 | mordy | lib-msdns-32 or something like that |
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| 15:42.25 | abrotman | gsamsa: you should be using aptitude .. try `aptitude -R install sane` |
| 15:42.38 | Neverb | thanks |
| 15:42.58 | mordy | oh |
| 15:43.05 | gsamsa | man aptitude |
| 15:43.07 | mordy | i thought you were talking about WINE, neverb |
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| 15:43.17 | mordy | lol i don't know the answer to your qquestion |
| 15:43.30 | mordy | cleans glasses |
| 15:43.46 | Neverb | so what should i do when some programm will refuse to work ? |
| 15:43.56 | abrotman | ia32-libs ? |
| 15:44.05 | gsamsa | abrotman: got it now. apt-get install installs the recommendations |
| 15:44.27 | abrotman | yes .. use aptitude |
| 15:44.31 | abrotman | it's better in most cases |
| 15:45.08 | mhymn_ | knows nothing about those rare cases! |
| 15:45.20 | mordy | lol |
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| 15:45.57 | cryptnix | E: Couldn't find package libmysql |
| 15:46.02 | gsamsa | so... sugestions are different from recommendations? |
| 15:46.46 | Unode | I want to start mysqld with the --ansi argument, is there any place where I can put this or do I need to edit the init.d/mysql file? |
| 15:47.15 | mhymn_ | cryptnix: apt-cache search libmysql |
| 15:47.23 | mhymn_ | cryptnix: one of those! |
| 15:48.09 | stew | gsamsa: yes, Recommends are "one would expect these packages to be installed together even if they aren't a strict dependency" Suggests is weaker as "here is something else you might find useful" |
| 15:48.17 | mordy | what do i do about this? http://pastebin.ca/1288653 - i got it when trying to start X from a chrooted system |
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| 15:50.25 | thing1 | i need squid3 with the null enabled for cash and apperently its not when i go apt-get install squid3 |
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| 15:50.36 | thing1 | i need squid3 with the null enabled for cache and apperently its not when i go apt-get install squid3 |
| 15:50.37 | Zambezi | I just experienced an odd problem. It feelt like a memoryleak. It didn't work to kill Fx, not even top appeared. I killed X and then I got these errorsmessages with DMA: http://pastebin.ca/1288662 |
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| 15:53.59 | mhymn_ | !tell thing1 about repeat |
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| 15:55.40 | negge | I want to download Lenny, is the correct file to get this one: debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 15:56.12 | Zambezi | negge: I think netinstall with Etch, then upgrade is the way to go. |
| 15:56.32 | negge | Zambezi: okay |
| 15:56.41 | gsamsa | negge: yes |
| 15:56.49 | negge | who should I trust now? |
| 15:57.05 | thing1 | how can i compile squid from source and make sure all the files go into the proper place with debian? |
| 15:57.08 | gsamsa | if you want lenny that's the way to go |
| 15:57.17 | gsamsa | he told you to install etch |
| 15:57.43 | negge | gsamsa: yes but he also told me to upgrade |
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| 15:57.57 | Zambezi | negge: But an advice, if you're upgrading asap from Etch to Lenny, then skip DE to make it easier. |
| 15:58.12 | negge | Zambezi: of course. |
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| 15:58.34 | gsamsa | what's DE ? |
| 15:58.38 | Zambezi | negge: Cause you need to kill X to be able to install it and it's better to install DE after upgrade, then you save some time to., |
| 15:58.44 | negge | gsamsa: Desktop environment |
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| 15:59.13 | negge | Zambezi: yes I know |
| 15:59.17 | gsamsa | isn't the lenny installer better? |
| 15:59.30 | negge | I think I have an etch-r4 netinstall iso lying around somewhere |
| 15:59.36 | negge | less downloading is always good |
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| 15:59.47 | gsamsa | why is upgrading better? |
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| 16:00.07 | Jos | Is it just me or is ftp.nl.debian.org broken? |
| 16:00.12 | negge | if I remember correctly the Lenny installer is still in beta-stage |
| 16:00.16 | Jos | I get very nice speeds below 1kbyte/s |
| 16:00.43 | gsamsa | negge: lenny is beta |
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| 16:01.34 | Zambezi | gsamsa: Not much of a problem here with Lenny the last months. |
| 16:01.55 | jamon | wow i did not realize how badly gnome-terminal screws with emacs, yuck |
| 16:01.59 | gsamsa | same here. |
| 16:02.36 | negge | Jos: I tested and it's not fast here either |
| 16:02.51 | Zambezi | jamon: I tired rxvt-unicode once. And now gnome-terminal belongs to the past. |
| 16:02.55 | Jos | :P |
| 16:03.01 | mordy | how do i kill a vt? |
| 16:03.23 | gsamsa | yes, rxvt-unicode is better |
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| 16:03.46 | aprendiz002 | hi all |
| 16:03.46 | Zambezi | gsamsa: But Ctrl+Shift+V doesn't work for me. |
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| 16:04.07 | gsamsa | i don't what that is |
| 16:04.08 | aprendiz002 | I want to access to a ftp server from firefox |
| 16:04.10 | gsamsa | olá aprendiz002 |
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| 16:04.31 | aprendiz002 | but I can only read but no upload files |
| 16:04.33 | negge | aprendiz002: just type the address in the addressbar |
| 16:04.49 | negge | aprendiz002: you need an FTP client for that |
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| 16:04.59 | gsamsa | aprendiz002: that's a problem with the server |
| 16:04.59 | aprendiz002 | ahh |
| 16:05.09 | aprendiz002 | I think that gsamsa |
| 16:05.16 | gsamsa | firefox uploads files negge |
| 16:05.17 | aprendiz002 | it is a proftp server |
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| 16:05.23 | thing1 | ./configure '--prefix=/usr' '--includedir=${prefix}/include' '--mandir=${prefix}/share/man' '--infodir=${prefix}/share/info' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var' '--libexecdir=${prefix}/lib/squid3' '--datadir=/usr/share/squid3' '--sysconfdir=/etc/squid3' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--enable-storeio=ufs,aufs,null' |
| 16:05.30 | aprendiz002 | but I don't find any settings for that |
| 16:05.33 | Zambezi | aprendiz002: Do you have write-access? |
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| 16:05.38 | aprendiz002 | yes |
| 16:05.38 | thing1 | this is what i use but it seems some files are still not in the right place |
| 16:05.47 | negge | gsamsa: how do you do that? |
| 16:05.48 | aprendiz002 | from ftp client I have the right access |
| 16:05.59 | aprendiz002 | the problem is from firefox |
| 16:06.34 | Zambezi | aprendiz002: Is there an extension for Fx if you really need/want to use Fx. |
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| 16:06.48 | gsamsa | fx doesn't upload? |
| 16:06.51 | zxd | hi |
| 16:07.02 | aprendiz002 | yes Zambezi, fireftp |
| 16:07.03 | negge | gsamsa: at least not for me |
| 16:07.09 | aprendiz002 | but the problem is for clients in general |
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| 16:07.28 | aprendiz002 | I want them can access easily if they don't have a ftp client |
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| 16:07.29 | peturdk | hi |
| 16:07.43 | aprendiz002 | and I know that is possible because I have seen before |
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| 16:07.57 | aprendiz002 | but I don't know how to configure the server |
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| 16:08.42 | negge | aprendiz002: why do you think it's the servers fault when you said uploading works fine with an FTP client? |
| 16:09.30 | aprendiz002 | with ftp client I can upload, download y all the permissions |
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| 16:09.43 | aprendiz002 | from firefox I can only see the content as a webpage |
| 16:09.45 | negge | aprendiz002: what kind of error does Firefox give you? |
| 16:09.47 | Zambezi | aprendiz002: Is it your server? |
| 16:09.53 | aprendiz002 | so I can download but I can't do anything more |
| 16:10.02 | aprendiz002 | no errors |
| 16:10.05 | negge | aprendiz002: you need to install FireFTP or a similar plugin to be able to upload files to FTP with Firefox |
| 16:10.07 | abrotman | !enter |
| 16:10.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:10.08 | gsamsa | aprendiz002: what do you want? |
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| 16:10.26 | Zambezi | aprendiz002: Do you write the loginname to the server in Fx? |
| 16:10.56 | aprendiz002 | yes Zambezi , I can login and see my count but as webpage, readonly |
| 16:11.02 | Zambezi | aprendiz002: Like ftp://aprendiz002:<password>@IP |
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| 16:11.10 | aprendiz002 | yes |
| 16:11.32 | aprendiz002 | gsamsa, I can any user can use any browser to access to the ftp account |
| 16:11.37 | GhostlyDeath | When I type in "free" it reports buffers and cache, is there any way to clear these? |
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| 16:11.55 | negge | aprendiz002: once again, have you installed FireFTP? |
| 16:11.59 | gsamsa | aprendiz002: that is not very safe |
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| 16:12.21 | negge | gsamsa: maybe it'a a public server |
| 16:12.22 | abrotman | aprendiz002: how is this a #debian issue ? |
| 16:12.55 | gsamsa | the thing is that probably when using the ftp client you're entering a username and password, and when using firefox you're entering as anonymous |
| 16:13.14 | gsamsa | you have to , in proftpd.conf, give write permission to anonymous |
| 16:13.37 | gsamsa | falas português ? |
| 16:13.42 | aprendiz002 | negge, I answered that before, is for the users in general I don't want to choose any program or extension. I have seen and access like I need before |
| 16:13.45 | aprendiz002 | spanish |
| 16:13.50 | gsamsa | hola |
| 16:13.54 | aprendiz002 | hola |
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| 16:13.56 | aprendiz002 | ;) |
| 16:14.02 | gsamsa | donde son los servicios? |
| 16:14.05 | negge | aprendiz002: Firefox cannot upload FTP files just like that |
| 16:14.13 | gsamsa | *estan |
| 16:14.27 | negge | If I login to my own FTP server with Firefox I can just like you only browse the contents |
| 16:14.40 | gsamsa | hides |
| 16:14.46 | negge | if you want anyone to be able to upload stuff to your server you gotta tell them to use a proper FTP client |
| 16:14.50 | mhymn_ | --> Enough Offtopic <-- |
| 16:14.51 | aprendiz002 | negge, ok, I have seen with ie specifically |
| 16:14.54 | gsamsa | aprendiz002: internet explorer works like that, fx doesn't |
| 16:14.55 | Zambezi | gsamsa: I think it's English only in main here. |
| 16:15.13 | abrotman | aprendiz002: STOP |
| 16:15.25 | negge | weird how you have to say the same thing 3-4 times before people get it |
| 16:15.28 | aprendiz002 | abrotman, ok |
| 16:15.29 | abrotman | aprendiz002: is the server running Debian? is the client running Debian ? |
| 16:15.48 | aprendiz002 | the server is proftpd in debian etch |
| 16:15.48 | aprendiz002 | yes |
| 16:15.59 | abrotman | so you need help configuring proftpd? to do what? |
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| 16:16.27 | pkt | which operation uses an underlying FUTEX_WAIT with val=pid+1 ? |
| 16:16.29 | zxd | anyone know if tcpdump in debian is able to display VLAN information? |
| 16:16.29 | cusco | hello |
| 16:16.36 | gsamsa | olá |
| 16:16.44 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:16.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:16.52 | aprendiz002 | I think the problem no is the server is firefox that no have the funcion as gsamsa said |
| 16:16.54 | cusco | olá gsamsa |
| 16:16.56 | cusco | !pt |
| 16:16.56 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 16:17.05 | pkt | zxd: why not try and see? |
| 16:17.06 | abrotman | aprendiz002: so use a real ftp client |
| 16:17.12 | zxd | pkt, well it dosen't work for me |
| 16:17.17 | stoned | firebug!? |
| 16:17.23 | cusco | pq gsamsa ola |
| 16:17.23 | stoned | I mean doh, fireftp |
| 16:17.34 | stoned | I like the gftp |
| 16:17.42 | stoned | kftpgrabber is cool |
| 16:17.43 | zxd | i need to see vlans |
| 16:17.46 | rwat | ncftp |
| 16:17.54 | stoned | is that cli isn't it? |
| 16:17.59 | stoned | nc |
| 16:18.06 | rwat | yeah and it rocks |
| 16:18.12 | stoned | word |
| 16:18.18 | aprendiz002 | yes, abrotman , the problem is for the users(the clients), maybe they don't have a ftp client but I though I can solve the problem with the browser because I have seen that in ie and I though it was common |
| 16:18.18 | cusco | lftp |
| 16:18.31 | aprendiz002 | thanks for the answers people |
| 16:18.33 | stoned | aprendiz002, what was common? |
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| 16:18.40 | kantor | hi |
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| 16:18.41 | kantor | somebody used the kdbg debugger ? |
| 16:19.07 | stoned | I dare ask, is that a kde something debugger? |
| 16:19.23 | aprendiz002 | stoned, the same function as ftp client integrated |
| 16:19.30 | aprendiz002 | in the browsers |
| 16:19.39 | stoned | aprendiz002, yeh, you'll have to go with fireftp |
| 16:19.53 | aprendiz002 | yes, I understand that |
| 16:19.55 | stoned | thats the only way i know that firefox can use ftp inside it like to upload and shit |
| 16:20.10 | aprendiz002 | thanks |
| 16:20.13 | stoned | i kow IE can send files to ftp through browser itself |
| 16:20.14 | zxd | anyone here is able to see vlan information with tcpdump ?? |
| 16:20.29 | stoned | but not firefox, I think with konqueeor also in kde you can send ftp server files through browser |
| 16:20.37 | stoned | you could do it with netscape 3 and 4 too :) |
| 16:20.45 | stoned | I think later they took that out for some reason |
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| 16:21.39 | jabis | I think it was took off because it imposes unnecessary security threats |
| 16:22.31 | stoned | jabis, 'taken off' |
| 16:22.35 | abrotman | taken out |
| 16:22.38 | stoned | ahh |
| 16:22.42 | jabis | browsers be browsers and uploaders be uploaders |
| 16:22.43 | stoned | right |
| 16:22.52 | jabis | sry my english is having a holiday |
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| 16:23.03 | stoned | np, you'll get by from corrections :) |
| 16:23.05 | abrotman | 'sorry' :) |
| 16:23.15 | stoned | lol |
| 16:23.20 | jabis | rofl |
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| 16:23.37 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> 4.0r6 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:23.52 | jabis | I'm in a heavy fever (39 celsius) so my brain is as stable as windows kernel atm |
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| 16:24.07 | stoned | I too have a fever 102degree |
| 16:24.19 | stoned | and cough and nose stuff too |
| 16:24.22 | jabis | can't calculate the diff |
| 16:24.29 | Gah | i'm on the verge of psychosis, does that count? |
| 16:24.31 | jabis | no converters around |
| 16:24.36 | stoned | jabis, google |
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| 16:24.42 | jabis | stoned, too lazy |
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| 16:24.50 | stoned | jabis, search for farenheit to 911 convertor |
| 16:24.51 | stoned | oh |
| 16:24.56 | Gah | what do i do about this? http://pastebin.ca/1288653 |
| 16:24.58 | stoned | farenheit to centigrde |
| 16:25.16 | abrotman | Gah: is the X server running ? |
| 16:25.17 | jabis | 'centigrade' |
| 16:25.20 | abrotman | farhenheit IIRC |
| 16:25.28 | jabis | 'fahrenheit |
| 16:25.32 | stoned | I can't spell worth a damn |
| 16:25.53 | jabis | beware, it's contageous (did I get it right? :D ) |
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| 16:25.58 | Gah | abrotman: it's running on vt7, i'm trying to run X from a chroot system - i get this error message on vt8 |
| 16:26.09 | negge | goes off to install Lenny on his new computer --> |
| 16:26.11 | Gah | (i'm mordy, need to change the nick, don't know why it defaults to this now) |
| 16:26.20 | abrotman | Gah: AFAIK, that won't work .. but i've never tried to run X from a chroot |
| 16:26.22 | stoned | ahh chroot can't access the outside Xservdr |
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| 16:27.10 | jabis | you doing somekind of a jail there mordy? |
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| 16:27.21 | stoned | mordy isn't even here! |
| 16:27.25 | mordy | i'm here |
| 16:27.31 | stoned | yes but not now |
| 16:27.33 | stoned | go awya |
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| 16:27.46 | stoned | I mean, stay! |
| 16:27.48 | jabis | lol |
| 16:27.52 | stoned | i'm going back to bed, gnite |
| 16:27.54 | mordy | don't know what a chroot jail is, well, i have a vague idea |
| 16:28.02 | stoned | mordy, /msg dpkg chroot |
| 16:28.04 | stoned | :) |
| 16:28.09 | stoned | !dpkg.web.search |
| 16:28.09 | dpkg | [dpkg.web.search] A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 16:28.20 | mordy | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot-debian says you can run X from chroot - although the MAKEDEV command gives me another error message |
| 16:28.21 | datenritter | i am trying to boot ia64 netinst from CD, but it doesn't boot at all. neither the 180MB-netinst, nor a 4GB-dvd. any ideas what's wrong with it? |
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| 16:28.30 | jabis | stoned, gnite to you if you go |
| 16:28.37 | stoned | *gone* |
| 16:28.49 | datenritter | can i maybe install with the 32bit-installer and then upgrade the whole system to 64bit...? |
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| 16:29.04 | jabis | datenritter, what do you mean doesn't boot at all? |
| 16:29.12 | datenritter | i know how to build a 64bit-kernel, but i have no idea what to do about the rest of the system |
| 16:29.13 | Neverb | ого, а mipt.ru не медленней ÑÑаÑого ÑндекÑа бÑÐ´ÐµÑ |
| 16:29.21 | mordy | yeah, did a search - i don't see this problem addressed in the context of chroot, and where i do see this problem addressed, it has to do with lockfiles and a tmp/.X11-unix directory not being empty (which it is) |
| 16:29.25 | Neverb | ÑейÑÐ°Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ 5.6 мегабайÑ/Ñек каÑÐ°Ñ ) |
| 16:29.27 | datenritter | jabis: "disk boot failure" |
| 16:29.33 | stoned | !r |
| 16:29.33 | dpkg | R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r", or http://www.r-project.org/ |
| 16:29.36 | stoned | !ri |
| 16:29.36 | dpkg | i guess ri is always root |
| 16:29.38 | mhymn_ | Neverb: english only |
| 16:29.38 | stoned | a;lksdj;flaksjdf i give up |
| 16:29.39 | Neverb | oh, sorry |
| 16:29.43 | cusco | !ru |
| 16:29.44 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 16:29.46 | Neverb | missclicked channel |
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| 16:30.16 | stew | datenritter: you likely want amd64 not ia64 unless you actually have an itanium |
| 16:30.16 | jabis | datenritter, for me the grub installer installed itself to the wrong hd, so changing the drive order from bios got me past that one |
| 16:30.45 | stew | datenritter: (and if you are not positive that you have an itanium2, then you don't have one, you have an amd64 compatible cpu) |
| 16:31.25 | cusco | ia64 is misleading |
| 16:31.25 | datenritter | stew: it's an intel E6520 |
| 16:31.30 | datenritter | ok... |
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| 16:31.40 | cusco | datenritter: precisely what he meant, you need amd64 images |
| 16:31.53 | datenritter | still "DISK BOOT FAILURE" means, the CD doesn't boot, not that it's the wrong architecture |
| 16:32.16 | stew | datenritter: correct. and you'd not expect that cd to boot, becuase it is the wrong architecture |
| 16:32.17 | jabis | hmm yeah meant to ask whether you got to the installing part at all |
| 16:32.39 | jabis | I got that same error after the installation, but it was only grub at that point |
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| 16:33.20 | datenritter | jabis: i have the error before installation ;) |
| 16:33.31 | datenritter | ok, i will try debian-40r5-amd64-netinst.iso 24-Oct-2008 17:49 |
| 16:33.54 | jabis | perhaps you got a sucky/partial image then |
| 16:34.07 | stew | datenritter: yes, that is the one, you might, however consider etchnhalf instead which is a newer release with a newer kernel which was made in order to support newer hardware: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 16:34.33 | stew | jabis: it has nothing to do with whether the image is complete or not, its an image that has zero chance of working with his computer |
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| 16:36.23 | joiguru | hi guys ! i have just upgraded to sid and my xserver vesa driver has a bug ! any pointers to an easy downgrade solution |
| 16:36.43 | stew | joiguru: there is no easy downgrade solution |
| 16:37.11 | joiguru | stew, i just wanna downgrade the vesa driver |
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| 16:37.26 | Zambezi | Shouldn't you know that when you install Sid? |
| 16:37.49 | joiguru | Zambezi, i should know what ? |
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| 16:38.43 | Zambezi | joiguru: What you're upto when you install Sid. |
| 16:38.53 | spx2 | how do I add a sources repository to my lenny install ? |
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| 16:39.12 | rwat | spx2: deb-src line in your sources.list |
| 16:39.16 | stew | spx2: you can copy a 'deb' line and make it 'deb-src' |
| 16:39.23 | stew | spx2: (man sources.list) |
| 16:39.34 | spx2 | oh |
| 16:39.38 | spx2 | stew: thanks I get it |
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| 16:42.11 | joiguru | Zambezi, i know the what i am upto ! i also know that this way its more fun ! i am just asking if anyone can suggest me pointers to how i can downgrade a particular package or how i can get a list (version numbers) of the recent version of the same package ! so i can pin a particular version in apt ! |
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| 16:42.57 | stew | joiguru: "aptitude install package=version" or dpkg -i the .deb. you can find available versions with "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 16:43.34 | stew | joiguru: you can see the recent version numbers of a pacakge in the changelog (in /usr/share/doc/packagename) or on http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename |
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| 16:44.57 | stew | joiguru: you can try "/msg dpkg sdn", but I dont' know if that site is still maintained |
| 16:45.27 | joiguru | stew, thanks |
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| 16:54.26 | a-9 | I don't have mozilla-firefox in apt. I'm lost. |
| 16:54.43 | craigevil | a-9: its called iceweasel |
| 16:54.52 | simonrvn | try iceweasel |
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| 16:55.52 | a-9 | I remember I used to aptitude search firefox and mozilla-firefox was one of the results. :) I'll install iceweasel, though. |
| 16:56.04 | naivoo | do you know how to change "screen horizontal position" with an iMac ? |
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| 16:56.41 | joiguru | stew, many many thanks !! I have X again :) |
| 16:56.55 | a-9 | craigevil: Thanks. |
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| 17:03.14 | vlt | Hello. I'm looking for a (cmd line) tool to extract width, height, x- and y-resolution from a JPEG file. Is there something faster than ImageMagick's `identify -format "%w|%h|%x|%y" <file>`? |
| 17:04.22 | cahoot | vlt: check out exiftool? |
| 17:07.23 | vlt | cahoot: I'll have a look at it, thanks. |
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| 17:08.44 | Matobb | hello. How can I change the owner of an partion? |
| 17:09.43 | jabis | wouldn't chown do |
| 17:10.04 | jabis | chown -R root:root /path/to |
| 17:10.19 | stew | Matobb: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 17:10.39 | Matobb | some partions have owner danix |
| 17:10.51 | Matobb | but as a root i cannot control the partion |
| 17:10.53 | stew | Matobb: when you say partition, you mean a file like /dev/hda1 ? |
| 17:11.03 | stew | Matobb: or do you mean a mounted filesystem? |
| 17:11.04 | Matobb | beacause permission is set only to look |
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| 17:11.28 | stew | Matobb: what do you want to control about the partition? |
| 17:11.32 | Matobb | stew: /media/sd5 |
| 17:11.47 | stew | Matobb: ok, you mean a mounted filesystem, not a partition. what is the filesystem type? |
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| 17:11.47 | Matobb | i cant do anything |
| 17:12.08 | Matobb | i can't create folder, or anything alse |
| 17:12.29 | Matobb | in the partion sda1 and sda5 |
| 17:12.40 | jabis | if you answer the questions, it's easier to help |
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| 17:13.02 | Matobb | stew: filysystem is ntfs |
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| 17:13.28 | stew | Matobb: ntfs doesn't use unix permissions, so the permissions need to be set at mount time. how is the partition being mounted? |
| 17:13.36 | rosset | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.41 | Feeernando | hola |
| 17:13.47 | fernando_ | hola |
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| 17:14.07 | Matobb | it was mounted automatickly in x window mode |
| 17:14.14 | jabis | Matobb, I had a similar problem, check out ntfs-3g |
| 17:14.17 | Matobb | as i have open the partion |
| 17:14.24 | a-9 | fernando_: Hola. |
| 17:14.32 | rosset | my network interface eth0 disappear |
| 17:14.40 | Matobb | what is ntfs -3g? |
| 17:14.43 | rosset | i running debian on VM |
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| 17:14.53 | jabis | Matobb, and secaudit tools which come along the package if I remember correctly |
| 17:14.57 | stew | rosset: it perhaps got renamed? (/msg dpkg z25) |
| 17:15.01 | rosset | and i need redetect this network interface |
| 17:15.09 | a-9 | Matobb: It is a driver to mount ntfs file system. |
| 17:15.11 | rosset | stew, mac address changed |
| 17:15.21 | rosset | the debian dont recognize the interface eth0 |
| 17:15.23 | Matobb | but it is allready mounted |
| 17:15.34 | jabis | but doesn't have read&write access |
| 17:15.35 | Matobb | but I cannt do anything only look |
| 17:15.44 | jabis | ntfs-3g goes past it |
| 17:15.44 | Matobb | yes |
| 17:15.49 | stew | Matobb: then yes, you want ntfs-3g |
| 17:16.00 | stew | Matobb: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 17:16.12 | stew | rosset: then yes, it would get a different name from udev, /msg dpkg z25 |
| 17:16.17 | Matobb | so i should download it and install it? |
| 17:16.25 | rosset | ok |
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| 17:24.31 | rosset | stew, thanks :o) |
| 17:24.38 | rosset | work correctly now |
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| 17:28.20 | masak | easiest way of installing Java 1.5 JDK on Debian Lenny? |
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| 17:29.59 | fernando_ | s |
| 17:30.46 | masak | thetimoo: thank you. |
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| 17:31.29 | stew | masak: "aptitude install sun-java5-jdk" after adding the non-free repositories: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 17:31.47 | masak | stew: great, thanks. |
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| 17:35.03 | _a_first_ | http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ |
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| 17:36.59 | thetimoo | masak: if that actually helped you, you're welcome, but that really was a typo |
| 17:37.19 | masak | thetimoo: it did make me go read the topic :) |
| 17:37.26 | masak | ...which helped a bit, yes. |
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| 17:37.33 | thetimoo | :-) |
| 17:37.51 | bhundven | á |
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| 17:38.18 | mhymn_ | i give up, what's that?! |
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| 17:39.21 | zinx | mhymn_: CANADIAN SYLLABICS NASKAPI WAA |
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| 17:39.31 | bhundven | werd |
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| 17:39.35 | bhundven | fun with charmap |
| 17:40.20 | bhundven | looks like a funny sideways triangle smile |
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| 17:40.39 | fernando_ | swad |
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| 17:42.36 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 17:42.58 | edwin_quijada | How can I sync a Win Server with my Debian |
| 17:43.00 | edwin_quijada | time |
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| 17:43.17 | edwin_quijada | i want my debian has the same time that windows server |
| 17:43.31 | bhundven | edwin_quijada: do you have the time server setup on windows? if so, use ntpdate |
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| 17:43.45 | bhundven | ntpdate <ip of your time server> |
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| 17:44.12 | jidar | where is the iptables config stored when I do a iptables-save |
| 17:44.15 | jeanseb | hello |
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| 17:44.28 | asg | jidar: stdout |
| 17:44.32 | jidar | and I don't see a /etc/init.d/iptables script for startup, where does it go? |
| 17:44.34 | jidar | asg: :/ |
| 17:44.37 | asg | jidar: just redirect the output to wherever you want to save it |
| 17:44.51 | jidar | asg: so this is a rc.local hack job or what |
| 17:44.54 | asg | jidar: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* indicates why there is no longer an iptables script. |
| 17:45.02 | jidar | leme read that then |
| 17:45.04 | edwin_quijada | bhundven: yes |
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| 17:46.09 | jidar | asg: hurm, don't have a README in there |
| 17:46.12 | fernando_ | ase |
| 17:46.33 | edwin_quijada | bhundven: I dont have ntpserver in win |
| 17:46.40 | asg | jidar: bah, yeah. I guess it got removed. Hang on a sec |
| 17:46.46 | edwin_quijada | I just want sync with time for this server |
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| 17:48.18 | fernando_ | zsxv |
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| 17:48.22 | bhundven | edwin_quijada: I'm not a windows guy at all, but, from what I found on google... http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Configuring-Windows-Time-Service.html |
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| 17:48.48 | oaoaoaoa | as |
| 17:48.49 | bhundven | edwin_quijada: and we (this channel) will not help you with that at all |
| 17:48.51 | fernando_ | a |
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| 17:49.24 | asg | jidar: yeah, it was removed in etch. Essentially, the jist of it was that people who knew what they were doing would be perfectly capable of rolling their own scripts (generally using pre-up / post-down) in /etc/network/interfaces and those that didn't know what they were doing were better off using a builder package like firehol |
| 17:49.24 | oaoaoaoa | ola |
| 17:49.34 | fernando_ | k tal |
| 17:49.34 | bhundven | edwin_quijada: but once you figure out the windows half of getting the time server working proper, we can help with the debian side. |
| 17:50.21 | jidar | asg: k, I was just doing some redhat work and liked how it dumped /etc/sysconfig/iptables out for you when you did a service iptables save, was wondering if it was built in like that on debian |
| 17:50.27 | jidar | asg: thanks for the help. |
| 17:50.40 | fernando_ | a |
| 17:51.07 | asg | jidar: once upon a time, debian had a similar thing but it was dropped since it couldn't be decided if that was the best way. Should be simple to implement the same thing though. |
| 17:51.33 | chomwitt | i have a inter quad core cpu. in order to use its intel 64 architecture should i use the amd64 debian version ? |
| 17:51.45 | chomwitt | inter->intel |
| 17:51.48 | jidar | asg: ya, I'm not worried about writing out a script to do the same thing I wrote in the command line, no biggie |
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| 17:51.50 | mordy | yeah, use the amd64 |
| 17:51.59 | zinx | chomwitt: amd64 almost certainly |
| 17:52.00 | chomwitt | mordy: thanks |
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| 17:52.06 | asg | jidar: cool |
| 17:52.41 | jonny66 | Will we se debian unstable become leeny before christmas? |
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| 17:53.27 | chomwitt | ok, although the name is little counterintuitive (use amd64 lenny on intel cpu :-) ) |
| 17:53.44 | asg | jonny66: unstable will never become lenny, it is always unstable (/msg dpkg releases) |
| 17:53.55 | zinx | chomwitt: blame Intel. |
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| 17:54.29 | jonny66 | asg: Im waiting for kde4.x for unstable and that team is waiting for a transition |
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| 17:54.57 | oaoaoaoa | a |
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| 17:55.19 | asg | jonny66: if they are waiting for lenny to release, then it could be some time depending on the GR and other factors. Hard to tell when at this point. |
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| 17:55.52 | jonny66 | asg: the GR? |
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| 17:56.32 | edwin_quijada | i remember with samba can I sync the time |
| 17:56.41 | edwin_quijada | but i dont remember the command |
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| 17:56.54 | asg | jonny66: the Lenny Release General Resolution. Google for it or check the debian-devel list archives |
| 17:56.56 | zxcvbs | hi im with lvm2 troubles, after upgrading to a self made kernel. The new configuration has crypt target support, and device mapper support. |
| 17:57.16 | zxcvbs | it doesnt recognizes, my lvm volumes |
| 17:57.20 | TopBunny88 | edwin_quijada: mansamba |
| 17:57.31 | asg | jonny66: basically, release lenny with non-free firmware or wait until it's all removed (which will take years) |
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| 17:57.57 | jonny66 | ok thanks |
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| 17:58.48 | jonny66 | What is the best way to make a snapshot of my current setup (like a ghost image)? |
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| 17:59.04 | asg | jonny66: a backup or just a list of installed packages? |
| 17:59.20 | jonny66 | complete backup of / |
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| 18:00.20 | jonny66 | I want to try kde4.x from aolith and if something go wrong i would like to be able to revert easily... |
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| 18:00.53 | asg | jonny66: build a chroot environment (and run unstable / experimental stuff in there) |
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| 18:01.32 | jonny66 | asg ok thanks ill try it |
| 18:02.07 | asg | jonny66: the 'debootstrap' package will be helpful in building such chroots |
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| 18:05.00 | joiguru | hi ! i cant cant seem to switch to the virtual terminals vt1-6 while x server is running (seemingly only on vt7) ! i get these strange filkering screen if i do a ctl-alt-f1 ! btw i see the same filkr just before gdm starts ! |
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| 18:06.28 | RichiH | joiguru: that's a problem with your graphics card driver |
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| 18:07.19 | joiguru | RichiH, are you sure ? cause it doesnt happen if i have stopped gdm from before ! |
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| 18:09.10 | RichiH | joiguru: well, gdm uses X, which uses the driver |
| 18:10.00 | joiguru | RichiH, why should X be bothered about vt1-6 it is only running on vt7 ? or am i getting it wrong ? |
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| 18:10.22 | zinx | joiguru: X has to restore text mode when you switch VTs or exit it |
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| 18:11.59 | stoned | zinx, what do you mean restore text mode? |
| 18:12.14 | stoned | (you mean it drops to console) ? |
| 18:12.18 | zinx | stoned: i mean it has to poke the video card registers in such a way that the mode present when X started is restored |
| 18:12.26 | stoned | oh |
| 18:12.59 | stoned | zinx, is there away to get around that? |
| 18:13.03 | samuel | how may I configure exim to send incoming emails in maildir format to /var/mail/username/inbox? |
| 18:13.11 | stoned | zinx, would getting around this be beneficial in anyway? |
| 18:13.23 | stoned | just thinking |
| 18:13.57 | zinx | stoned: 'getting around'? there is no way around that. |
| 18:14.21 | zinx | stoned: X has to poke the video card in the first place to get the graphics mode it needs |
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| 18:16.28 | asg | samuel: use the maildir_format option in the local_delivery transport |
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| 18:17.34 | samuel | asg: ok, thanks ill look for that |
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| 18:19.04 | samuel | asg: is that in conf.d/transport? |
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| 18:21.10 | adama_ | is there a file I can edit to change the "saved session" of iceweasel? I want to recover my tabs, except one of them is causing the program to crash |
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| 18:22.07 | hoxu | adama_, wild guess: sessionstore.js? |
| 18:22.10 | stoned | I see |
| 18:23.54 | asg | samuel: just do a grep -ilr 'local_delivery' /etc/exim4/conf.d (that should isolate the file since you are using split confs) |
| 18:24.14 | samuel | asg: ah, thanks |
| 18:24.29 | Nielske | aptitude update |
| 18:24.29 | Nielske | Get:1 http://ftp.nl.debian.org etch Release.gpg [386B] |
| 18:24.31 | Nielske | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
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| 18:25.16 | adama_ | hoxu: locate doesn't find any such file |
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| 18:25.42 | stoned | updatedb |
| 18:25.43 | stoned | ? |
| 18:26.09 | asg | samuel: actually, looks like things are a little different over the standard exim conf. Seems /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_maildir_home allows you to set some env vars to get the same thing |
| 18:26.15 | hoxu | adama_, find ~/.mozilla/ -name sessionstore.js |
| 18:26.34 | jabis | what're tools for searching over n meg files out of a dir |
| 18:26.40 | mythomaniac | anyone here versed in dvtm here? |
| 18:27.07 | jabis | or is there a nice option to use with ls with grep |
| 18:27.12 | samuel | asg: thanks, exim is so versatile that its a little difficult to configure if you dont know what you are doing |
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| 18:27.57 | asg | samuel: true. Fortunately, the exim docs are very complete. (online at exim.org or in html format in the exim4-doc-html package) |
| 18:28.04 | jabis | I've these folders which are 90gb's full of stuff, and I'd want to filter out everything over n mbytes out of the copy |
| 18:28.17 | hoxu | jabis, find is your friend |
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| 18:29.17 | jabis | thanks, manning now :) |
| 18:29.24 | GhostlyDeath | strange |
| 18:29.34 | GhostlyDeath | I saw a bunch of nsfd's in gnome's system monitor |
| 18:29.39 | GhostlyDeath | and an NSF commercial came on |
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| 18:30.44 | AliTarihi | anyone worked with uswsusp? |
| 18:32.01 | hoxu | jabis, man find, /^EXAMPLES, then /size should take you to example |
| 18:32.22 | AliTarihi | I want to make it execute a command but nothing happens. I've used the "OnSuspend" in hibernate.conf but no luck |
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| 18:39.27 | oz_ | hello everyone |
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| 18:44.06 | oz_ | can someone please tellme where is the ldap data base in debian, I want to delete it... |
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| 18:45.52 | chairman | how can i get Debian OS on Ibex? |
| 18:46.00 | \amethyst | oz_: is /var/lib/ldap/ what you're looking for? |
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| 18:46.16 | xld_ | how can i connect to a screen session? |
| 18:47.52 | amphi | xld_: screen -r [TAB] |
| 18:47.58 | chairman | hello |
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| 18:48.52 | abrotman | chairman: Ibex is ? |
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| 18:49.05 | \amethyst | or screen -x to attach to a session that's already open |
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| 18:49.48 | JoshH | chairman: insert the debian cd into the ibex's anus |
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| 18:50.30 | epsilon | if it doesnt work, try with businesscard-CD again |
| 18:50.33 | xdr | anyone know about a good program to connect cellphones through bluetooth |
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| 18:50.40 | oz_ | \amethyst, i guess, if I delete those file I remove all the data ? |
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| 18:53.32 | froze | Does anyone happen to know how to make mdadm tell me if an array has finished rebuilding without grepping through /proc/mdstat? |
| 18:53.36 | spamhog | hello all... bizarre, I'd swear I was setup to use ssl on freenet since forever, didn work 2day - am I seeing things? |
| 18:53.50 | spamhog | ooops freenode |
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| 18:54.41 | chairman | i don't have a CD for Debian. |
| 18:55.12 | chairman | Abrotman correct |
| 18:57.28 | Lagbolt | froze, prob in man mdadm |
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| 19:00.20 | Gah | how can i make sure a chrooted system maintains its old hostname? |
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| 19:01.30 | abrotman | chairman: correct ? |
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| 19:01.32 | froze | Lagbolt: right, but test $? after mdadm --misc -t --detail /dev/md0 just reports zero exit status |
| 19:01.37 | abrotman | chairman: i want to know what Ibex is |
| 19:02.38 | JoshH | it's an african animal |
| 19:02.46 | JoshH | i don't think they can run debian, but i've never tried |
| 19:03.49 | Lagbolt | ubuntu lost all credibility when they missed out on Hungry Hippo |
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| 19:05.31 | enouf | froze: maybe the start_daemon option in /etc/default/mdadm ? or .. is that already running now |
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| 19:06.03 | enouf | ahh, and daemon_options perhaps |
| 19:06.14 | chairman | ibex is the name of ubuntu 8.10...an yes it's a sheep out of n. Africa |
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| 19:06.38 | abrotman | chairman: so you're asking us how to install Debian? |
| 19:07.00 | enouf | Humpty Dumpty |
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| 19:09.21 | chairman | yes..i have ubuntu and the last time i had debian i got it online and it worked well |
| 19:09.32 | chairman | or something like that |
| 19:10.24 | stew | chairman: the easiest way is to download an install cd. you could also install from a usb drive. if you want to do the install from insice ubuntu, you could use debootstrap, but that is a much more involved process. /msg dpkg ig |
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| 19:11.32 | chairman | ok what is that stew? |
| 19:11.44 | stew | chairman: what is what? |
| 19:11.58 | chairman | debootstrap |
| 19:12.17 | stew | chairman: a script which installs debian into a directory: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 19:12.36 | chairman | do i go to terminal |
| 19:12.46 | stew | chairman: it leaves a lot of thigns unconfigured, such as networking, fstab. and doesn't install a kernel or a bootloader |
| 19:13.36 | chairman | is the CD FREE |
| 19:13.46 | stew | chairman: yes |
| 19:13.59 | stew | chairman: uh, well, the image that you could burn onto a cd is free |
| 19:14.22 | froze | thanks enouf |
| 19:14.50 | chairman | ok what if i downloaded the desktop |
| 19:15.02 | stew | chairman: what do you mean? |
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| 19:15.35 | chairman | like GNOME has their desktop and KDE has their display what about debian? |
| 19:16.11 | stew | chairman: you can use either or a bunch of other choices in debian |
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| 19:16.24 | enouf | almost got caught triggering the !de factoid .. again :-p |
| 19:16.34 | ganiman | hello |
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| 19:18.55 | hyper_ch | why can't I enter the Scanner folder although I'm member of the ftp group? drwxrwSr-x 2 ftp ftp 6 18. Dez 11:03 Scanner |
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| 19:20.00 | sylarrr | how to monitor network usage per process? |
| 19:20.19 | Sling | ntop? |
| 19:20.28 | sylarrr | sounds right |
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| 19:22.13 | pepone | Hi , any body know if is posible install gcc-4.4 via apt-get? |
| 19:22.27 | sylarrr | why does ntop ask me for admin password? |
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| 19:24.01 | stew | pepone: not yet, afaik |
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| 19:24.03 | Eulex | pepone, if you build packages of it, and put it in a repository. it's not in the debian ones. |
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| 19:24.31 | maligor | what's so important about 4.4? :P |
| 19:24.50 | jelly-home | !sns |
| 19:24.50 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 19:24.58 | pepone | I want to test a package to view if require changes to compile against GCC-4.4 |
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| 19:25.26 | stew | maligor: its stricter, which means we have to fix a bunch of bugs :) |
| 19:25.27 | maligor | some sort of fancy new loop optimization setup it has |
| 19:25.45 | ryanCH | i screwed up KDE display settings, and i can't seem to get them back to the way they were, is there a way to reload these settings? |
| 19:25.57 | ryanCH | *globally |
| 19:26.09 | _a_first_ | kde ick |
| 19:26.13 | _a_first_ | switch to xfce |
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| 19:26.15 | maligor | stew, even stricter huh |
| 19:26.22 | maligor | didn't 4.3 also do that |
| 19:26.33 | ryanCH | _a_first_: i like KDE ;P |
| 19:26.43 | abrotman | ryanCH: ignore him |
| 19:26.44 | _a_first_ | kde is slow |
| 19:26.44 | maligor | in the end it's ofcourse a good thing |
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| 19:27.10 | ryanCH | _a_first_: that's because it has alot of GUI effects etc... |
| 19:27.20 | _a_first_ | yea |
| 19:27.21 | stew | maligor: yes, and yes |
| 19:27.22 | abrotman | ryanCH: ignore him .. he's trolling you |
| 19:27.26 | ryanCH | ehe |
| 19:27.40 | _a_first_ | i dont know why there are so many trolls here |
| 19:27.45 | _a_first_ | that say other people are trolling |
| 19:27.58 | sylarrr | why ntop ask me for admin password ? |
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| 19:28.05 | jelly-home | _a_first_: please stop |
| 19:28.11 | abrotman | ryanCH: have you tried logging out of KDE ? |
| 19:28.24 | ryanCH | abrotman: yeah |
| 19:28.37 | abrotman | ryanCH: what else have you tried ? |
| 19:28.38 | _a_first_ | have you tryed reinstalling kde? |
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| 19:29.15 | hyper_ch | why can't I enter the Scanner folder although I'm member of the ftp group? drwxrwSr-x 2 ftp ftp 6 18. Dez 11:03 Scanner |
| 19:29.43 | maligor | there are some nice changes in gcc 4.4 I have to say, but the changeset is strangely short :P |
| 19:29.45 | stew | hyper_ch: because it is g-x |
| 19:29.47 | asg | hyper_ch: because there is no 'x' bit set on the group perms |
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| 19:30.11 | jelly-home | ryanCH: you can try renaming .kde directory away, then log out/log in; if it helps, obviously the bad config is hidden somewhere in there |
| 19:30.16 | _a_first_ | S instead of x |
| 19:30.20 | hyper_ch | stew: asg: what is then this "S" on the group permissions? |
| 19:30.27 | _a_first_ | sticky bit |
| 19:30.30 | stew | hyper_ch: it means g+s but g-x |
| 19:30.31 | _a_first_ | fucking trolls |
| 19:30.38 | asg | hyper_ch: means gsuid without 'x'. 's' would be gsuid with 'x' |
| 19:30.42 | abrotman | _a_first_: stop |
| 19:30.43 | ryanCH | hmm |
| 19:30.54 | jelly-home | !ops _a_first_ trolls and gives consistently bad advice |
| 19:30.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: _a_first_ trolls and gives consistently bad advice |
| 19:31.05 | stew | jelly-home: hi |
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| 19:31.14 | hyper_ch | asg: ah... ok... I guess I did it wrong then... I wanted that all files created in there will have group write access |
| 19:31.49 | asg | hyper_ch: you'll need the sticky bit as well as a correct umask for your users |
| 19:32.01 | zxcvbs | hi after a kernel upgrade im trying to boot from a lvm2 / without succes, is any place where can i cat/edit to view the current lvm2 physical/group/logical volume configuration? |
| 19:32.15 | hyper_ch | asg: got any howto/reference for that? |
| 19:32.26 | jelly-home | stew: hi! more action please! :-) |
| 19:32.53 | abrotman | cowbell! |
| 19:34.13 | _a_first_ | !ops jelly-home trolls and gives consistently bad advice |
| 19:34.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: _a_first_ complains about: jelly-home trolls and gives consistently bad advice |
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| 19:34.17 | Maulkin | We're here and watching, ok? |
| 19:34.23 | stew | _a_first_: stop |
| 19:34.27 | Maulkin | _a_first_: Please don't do that. |
| 19:34.35 | _a_first_ | i didnt start it |
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| 19:34.43 | Maulkin | I don't care. I'm stopping it. |
| 19:35.09 | ryanCH | one more thing, anyone have any experience in getting nvidia drivers working on debian? |
| 19:35.24 | zxcvbs | yes they work, the privative ones... |
| 19:35.52 | ryanCH | i have had no luck, it always needs the kernel driver or something else and that doesn't seem to work ever :( |
| 19:36.08 | bitshuffler_ | Hello. I'm trying to add http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/Debian_Etch/ as a repository but it fails cause it tries to get Packages.gz from a binary-i386 subdirectory that doesn't exist. Could you please tell me the exact line I have to add to my sources.list for that repository? |
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| 19:36.29 | zxcvbs | deb http... ? |
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| 19:37.14 | sylarrr | I am trying to run ntop and each time it complains that it can't create some file or dir at /var/lib/ntop |
| 19:37.26 | bitshuffler_ | zxcvbs: i tried with "deb url . /" but this doesn't work since it searches in the subdirecty that doesn't exist for that Packages.gz |
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| 19:37.51 | jelly-home | bitshuffler_: those people should have it written somewhere. If I had to guess, I'd try "deb http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/Debian_Etch/ ./" |
| 19:38.03 | jelly-home | bitshuffler_: no space between . and / |
| 19:38.11 | zxcvbs | the : are ok? |
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| 19:38.49 | sylarrr | Sling, how did you run ntop? |
| 19:39.00 | Sling | i dont |
| 19:39.02 | Sling | i just heard of it |
| 19:39.03 | ringo999 | what plugins do you use to watch youtube videos using iceweasel? gnash seems to use a lot of cpu power... |
| 19:39.06 | sylarrr | ah |
| 19:39.10 | keith4_ | i've used the packaged ntop. works fine |
| 19:39.25 | sylarrr | Sling, it runs as nobody and try to write stuff to /var/lib |
| 19:39.27 | bitshuffler_ | jelly-home: Without a space apt-get update runs without any error messages but apt-get install osc (which is in that repo) still claims that osc can't be found anywhere. |
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| 19:39.49 | Sling | sylarrr : read its docs i'd say |
| 19:39.53 | keith4_ | ringo999: flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 19:39.55 | jelly-home | bitshuffler_: yes; the repo's Packages files seems to work only for amd64 and is broken for i386 |
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| 19:40.43 | bitshuffler_ | jelly-home: oh, that might explain it (am on 32bit here). |
| 19:40.51 | jelly-home | bitshuffler_: you can just download the deb files, try installing them with dpkg -i foo.deb, and when that fails, use "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" to fix the dependencies |
| 19:41.10 | bitshuffler_ | jelly-home: That sounds good. I'm trying :) |
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| 19:44.17 | bitshuffler_ | Apparently I need something like "python-elementtree". Isn't that in the normal repos / where could I find it? |
| 19:44.27 | masak | I got a little error when doing 'aptitude update': "Reading package lists... Error!" "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" |
| 19:44.55 | masak | why is this? what can I do to avoid it? |
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| 19:45.18 | jelly-home | !tell masak -about dynamic mmap |
| 19:45.56 | xdr | this might be a newbie question, but where do I set the compus bluetoothpassword? |
| 19:46.13 | bitshuffler_ | jelly-home: Looks like I fixed it. Thanks a lot for your help! |
| 19:46.21 | jelly-home | cheers |
| 19:46.49 | masak | jelly-home: yes, do tell. I know of no such thing. |
| 19:47.21 | jelly-home | masak: dpkg, the bot, should have sent you a private message (maybe in a separate tab/window?) |
| 19:47.26 | masak | ah. found the message from dpkg. |
| 19:47.30 | masak | thanks. |
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| 19:49.56 | masak | jelly-home: worked. cheers. |
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| 19:52.44 | samuel | guys I am going through the exim conf files, it states "local delivery = mail_spool"? i thought exim handled the mail spool? |
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| 20:06.16 | ryanCH | can you make "aptitude" install over an existing install? |
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| 20:06.42 | Sling | ryanCH : its probably best to first aptitude remove <program> first |
| 20:06.51 | ryanCH | Sling: it's KDE :( |
| 20:07.00 | ryanCH | so will i have to stop kde first? |
| 20:07.21 | Sling | yes |
| 20:07.31 | ryanCH | where is the file that tells X what window manager to use?, btw |
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| 20:11.43 | masak | easiest way to get Firefox 3 via aptitude? I seem to be running Etch here. |
| 20:12.23 | oz_ | ok, I'm still stuck with ldap install. On one machine it works perfectly, on the other I can't make ldap work. Can anyone help ? I keep getting result 32, with ldapsearch -x |
| 20:13.04 | abrotman | ryan8403_work: aptitude reinstall |
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| 20:13.25 | thing1 | zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13) but 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5 is to be installed |
| 20:13.32 | thing1 | what can i do |
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| 20:13.42 | sharp15 | is it possible to file a bug report without creating some sort of account with the debian project? |
| 20:13.55 | stew | sharp15: yes, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:14.04 | ryan8403_work | abrotman, think you meant that for ryanCH |
| 20:14.17 | ryan8403_work | ryanCH, aptitude reinstall |
| 20:14.21 | stew | thing1: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy zlib1g zlib1g-dev" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:15.03 | mistermocha | are we having fun yet? |
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| 20:18.31 | _a_first_ | !ops hows it going? |
| 20:18.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: _a_first_ complains about: hows it going |
| 20:18.42 | tomaw | _a_first_: please don't do that. |
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| 20:19.07 | lunk | heh |
| 20:19.30 | thing1 | stew: http://pastebin.com/m4c2d6a8e |
| 20:19.52 | jonny66 | If i want to create a mirror of / and chroot to it how do i do that? simply cp -R / /var/newroot; chroot /var/newroot? |
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| 20:24.24 | thing1 | stew: did u get that |
| 20:25.41 | stew | thing1: it appears that you have at least partially upgraded to testing, but no longer have testing repositories available, only stable repositories |
| 20:25.55 | stew | thing1: mixing stable and testing is not recommended nor supported, you should be sticking with one or the other |
| 20:26.16 | thing1 | so basically my only chioce is to go back to testing |
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| 20:30.33 | stew | thing1: that's probably the easiest |
| 20:30.47 | stew | thing1: downgrading is possible but tedious and can break things |
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| 20:36.22 | thechef | noatun hangs on startup |
| 20:36.32 | stoned | thechef, noatun is a buggy pos |
| 20:36.37 | stoned | thechef, dont use it |
| 20:36.46 | stoned | thechef, for video consider kaffiene, and for audio, juk or amarok |
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| 20:38.33 | Akuw | i have a problem to demovee package |
| 20:39.27 | Akuw | error 1 |
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| 20:43.19 | thechef | yeah, i completely forgot about juk |
| 20:43.41 | thechef | well i use amarok in case i really want to manage it |
| 20:44.04 | thechef | but currently i just need a lightweight "client" for sockso |
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| 20:45.57 | csc_ | hello |
| 20:46.00 | csc_ | i d like to know why "ssh -X me@gateway xclock" works fine WHILE "ssh -X me@gateway rdesktop anotherhost" does not work, that is ssh blocks . please note that the rdp server is up and running. i think the problem is about exporting X somehow |
| 20:47.30 | csc_ | is there any reason why ssh -X command should work for some X11 commands while should not for some others? |
| 20:47.46 | abrotman | csc_: quote the rdesktop command ? |
| 20:48.38 | csc_ | it is just "rdesktop cschost:3389" .. it works here locally, but does not with ssh -X otherhost rdesktop |
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| 20:49.34 | csc_ | ops |
| 20:49.42 | csc_ | maybe i need " command " |
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| 20:49.46 | csc_ | between "" |
| 20:50.05 | csc_ | that is ssh -X "rdesktop bla bla bla" |
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| 20:51.27 | csc_ | nothing |
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| 20:51.34 | csc_ | abrotman, it is the same |
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| 20:52.33 | zo_orki1 | i've got some trouble with my debian lenny. since a few days it just hangs up from time to time and does not react to shortcuts like Cmd+Alt+F1, so i have to reboot manually. Does anyone have compareable problems? Maybe it's because of an update |
| 20:52.35 | ghostknife | how can I set ethtool options in configuration so it's set at boot time? |
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| 20:53.19 | stew | ghostknife: you could set them in a "pre-up" line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 20:53.25 | csc_ | ssh -X csc@gateway rdesktop desktop:3389 blocks.. i can see rdesktop is executed but no window is exported. i wonder why... exporting xclock work fine |
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| 20:54.32 | ghostknife | stew: of course. thanks |
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| 20:56.01 | axmaq_gede | why debian is so big? i mean installation files |
| 20:56.16 | Guerin | axmaq_gede: how big do you think it is? |
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| 20:56.28 | lunk | axmaq_gede: there's a netinstall and a businesscard install that are very small |
| 20:56.45 | Guerin | you can do the install from a cd of under 150MB; the base system is less than 500mb |
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| 20:56.59 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 20:56.59 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
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| 20:59.12 | axmaq_gede | i wanted download it by http |
| 20:59.27 | mordy | something is wrong wiht my sound - at the end of alsaconf i hear a crackle in the speakers, i.e. it's connected properly, but i can't hear anything |
| 20:59.35 | axmaq_gede | and there is 21 cd iso files all about 600 mb |
| 20:59.49 | lunk | axmaq_gede: get the net install and you will download just what you want via HTTP/FTP |
| 20:59.49 | axmaq_gede | what the isos they are? |
| 21:00.01 | mordy | speaker-test also doesn't show any errors, all the controls are up in alsamixer but nothing is played |
| 21:00.06 | lunk | axmaq_gede: have you been to debian.org? it's all right there |
| 21:00.29 | cahoot | mordy: only one sounddevice on the system? |
| 21:00.30 | axmaq_gede | i'm just want to get one of linux distros |
| 21:00.32 | stew | axmaq_gede: they contain every package in debian. you'd not need those CDs unless you needed them to install packages from them onto a machine that cannot get the packages over the network |
| 21:00.34 | mordy | cahoot - yes |
| 21:00.50 | mordy | it's a tablet slate - the thing doesn't even have a keyboard |
| 21:01.36 | axmaq_gede | ok thx for everyone |
| 21:02.13 | cahoot | mordy: you're aware of the difference between levels and mute staus? |
| 21:02.22 | cahoot | status |
| 21:02.42 | mordy | yes - |
| 21:03.06 | mordy | i'm using ssh now so i'm confined to alsamixer, but the settings won't even show up in say, kmix |
| 21:03.26 | cahoot | mordy: what module does it use? |
| 21:03.58 | cahoot | mordy: cat /proc/asound/modules |
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| 21:04.31 | mordy | cahoot: 0 snd_intel8x0 |
| 21:04.35 | gsamsa | i have sound on the speakers and headphones at the same time. help me |
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| 21:05.13 | scorphus | thanks for dpkg bot, it rocks and always saves me! |
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| 21:08.32 | ComradeHaz | Hi guys. How do I find out IP addresses of DHCP server and DNS servers I'm using on my machine at present? |
| 21:09.01 | mordy | ifconfig? |
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| 21:09.12 | ComradeHaz | what flags does it need |
| 21:09.17 | ComradeHaz | -a doesn't give it |
| 21:09.26 | gsamsa_ | i have sound on the speakers and headphones at the same time. help me |
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| 21:10.13 | stew | ComradeHaz: DNS servers are in /etc/resolv.conf ; you should be able to find the dhcp server in the leases file in /var/lib/dhcp3 or /var/lib/dhcp |
| 21:10.28 | stew | ifconfig doesn't know about either |
| 21:10.39 | ComradeHaz | excelent, thankyou |
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| 21:11.15 | sin | cat /var/lib/dhcp3/*.info |
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| 21:13.24 | jonny66 | gsamsa_: use your mixer and mute one or the other |
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| 21:14.46 | gsamsa_ | jonny66: i want to do that with the jack |
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| 21:18.57 | ovnicraft | hi, if i added a --exec "prog" to a daemon when restart its run or i must do something more? |
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| 21:23.42 | mordy | s'oh |
| 21:23.47 | mordy | d'oh it was muted |
| 21:23.48 | ovnicraft | anyone can help me |
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| 21:24.05 | mordy | everything was on "MM" - i thought that was the default until i compared it with a working system |
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| 21:27.20 | matilde | ojitos negros ojitos negros es ke ya no puedo el dolor se esta mentiendo muy adentro por mi raza si tengo k renunciarte ami vida entero |
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| 21:28.29 | abrotman | matilde: english ? |
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| 21:29.35 | ovnicraft | abrotman, kick to matilde, she/he/it is singing |
| 21:29.47 | abrotman | that is singing? |
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| 21:29.53 | abrotman | thinks someone can't carry a tune |
| 21:29.55 | autonomyasd | about negros? |
| 21:30.08 | sin | heh |
| 21:30.20 | abrotman | autonomyasd: that's spanish for 'black' |
| 21:30.26 | autonomyasd | ahh |
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| 21:30.30 | sin | about blacks? |
| 21:30.37 | dustybin | topic guys |
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| 21:30.45 | autonomyasd | could be a black bird or black hair |
| 21:30.46 | stew | just ignore it... |
| 21:31.14 | autonomyasd | mkay |
| 21:32.06 | sin | black eyes |
| 21:32.12 | sin | ojitos = eyes |
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| 21:33.46 | autonomyasd | ahh |
| 21:34.34 | autonomyasd | I'm going to tell a lady at work that she has wonderful ojitos |
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| 21:34.44 | autonomyasd | when she gets offended, I'll tell her it means eyes |
| 21:34.58 | stew | autonomyasd: sin: if you want to continue this, please do it elsewhere, perhaps #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 21:37.19 | autonomyasd | Can someone help me determine if my debian package is ok - in conforming to debian standards (naming, paths etc)? |
| 21:37.30 | autonomyasd | It's a very small package |
| 21:37.51 | autonomyasd | Once it's nice and clean, I'd like to become a dd for it |
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| 21:38.30 | gsamsa_ | firefox is slow on debian |
| 21:38.31 | stew | autonomyasd: this type of request would normally go in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
| 21:38.36 | stew | autonomyasd: do you have a url to the dsc? |
| 21:38.36 | gsamsa_ | scrolling is choppy |
| 21:38.39 | kevind23 | How can I get my intel wireless 5100AGN card working on Debian? I'm running 2.6.27.9 |
| 21:38.40 | gsamsa_ | flash is shit |
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| 21:40.32 | karsten | gsamsa: No. It isn't. |
| 21:40.49 | gsamsa | it is |
| 21:40.50 | autonomyasd | stew... I have placed it here just now... |
| 21:40.54 | gsamsa | karsten: it is |
| 21:40.55 | karsten | gsamsa: Shit doesn't jump up out of the toilet bowl and dance around your face just because it feels like it. |
| 21:41.01 | karsten | gsamsa: Flash is worse than shit. |
| 21:41.03 | autonomyasd | http://www.ntrust.net.au/pub/dmidecode |
| 21:41.19 | gsamsa | ok |
| 21:41.26 | gsamsa | and how about the rest? |
| 21:41.30 | gsamsa | slow scroll |
| 21:41.42 | autonomyasd | stew: I have to change the source name as well |
| 21:41.44 | gsamsa | slow responsiveness |
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| 21:43.25 | autonomyasd | stew: The homepage is at http://projects.autonomy.net.au/dmidecode/ - However dh didnt like me putting "Homepage:" in the control file |
| 21:43.34 | stew | autonomyasd: you packaged this as a debian native package (there is no .orig.tar.gz / .diff.gz) but the version number has a debian revision |
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| 21:43.46 | autonomyasd | stew: debian native |
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| 21:44.13 | stew | autonomyasd: where is the actual source? |
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| 21:44.49 | stew | autonomyasd: oh, this is not following the new python policy either |
| 21:45.00 | autonomyasd | I'll put the source in there too now |
| 21:45.06 | autonomyasd | oh? |
| 21:45.17 | autonomyasd | I must have been reading an old document then :( |
| 21:45.30 | stew | autonomyasd: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy |
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| 21:45.51 | DammitJim | hi guys |
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| 21:46.02 | DammitJim | can someone help see who is connecting to my machine? |
| 21:46.02 | stew | autonomyasd: these days the package would be named python-whatever not python2.4-whatever, and would use python-central or python-support |
| 21:46.09 | DammitJim | it's weird... I'm ssh'd into it from work |
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| 21:46.14 | DammitJim | but it's rather slow |
| 21:46.19 | DammitJim | and from it, I can't ping out |
| 21:46.23 | stew | DammitJim: connecting how? ssh? or otherwise? |
| 21:46.40 | autonomyasd | stew: I read that it should be pythonX.Y if it has been compiled against a particular python version? |
| 21:46.42 | DammitJim | I am connected via SSH, but I don't know if someone is messing with my box |
| 21:46.48 | autonomyasd | it's a python extension module |
| 21:46.57 | DammitJim | or if I am having network problems from the service provider |
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| 21:47.15 | Feeernando | hi |
| 21:47.25 | stew | autonomyasd: is there a reason that this package won't work with python2.5 (which is the current version in unstable)? |
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| 21:47.34 | Feeernando | i am testing a irc client on python |
| 21:47.36 | stew | autonomyasd: i mean 'that this software won't work'... |
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| 21:47.58 | DammitJim | would a netstat tell me that? |
| 21:48.13 | autonomyasd | stew - No I dont thinks so - I just have to compile it against python2.5 |
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| 21:48.20 | stew | DammitJim: with netstat you could list all of the connections, |
| 21:48.24 | DammitJim | I'm rather confused as to why I can get to the machine from a remote location, but I cannot go to other places from the machine itself |
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| 21:48.32 | DammitJim | netstat -a |
| 21:48.34 | DammitJim | ? |
| 21:48.58 | autonomyasd | stew - by `No' I mean `Yes it should work if I recompile' |
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| 21:49.10 | obfuscator | if I have the same username/password setup on 10 machines, with sudo on all machines, is there an intelligent way to deploy files from somewhere to all 10 machines? |
| 21:49.32 | stew | DammitJim: yeah, you might also want -antu or so |
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| 21:50.01 | stew | autonomyasd: then i don't see why you'd be providing a python2.4-whatever package |
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| 21:50.43 | stew | autonomyasd: if you "apt-cache search -n ^python2.4" you'll see that what you are doing is obsolete |
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| 21:51.24 | autonomyasd | stew: Sorry for asking stupid questions - So how should I deal with the fact that I've compiled against a particular version of python? compile 1 for each? |
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| 21:53.03 | autonomyasd | stew: For example.... I have `$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c -o $@ $<' in the makefile, and CFLAGS has `-I/usr/include/$(PY)' where PY is the "default" on the system I used to build with |
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| 21:53.52 | autonomyasd | stew: so given that - there is still no need to mention that this will install to /usr/lib/python2.5/dmidecode.so for example? |
| 21:54.37 | autonomyasd | from what i read, python-support is deprecated, which leaves `python2.3/ python2.4/ python2.5/' etc |
| 21:55.32 | autonomyasd | stew: Thankyou for the link - I'll read that before asking more questions =) |
| 21:55.38 | LoveGuru | bolt-work: u there ? |
| 21:57.27 | stew | autonomyasd: python-support is certainly not deprecated. in fact, the trend is to switch packages from python-central to python-support |
| 21:57.42 | stew | autonomyasd: you'd be compiling the .so for all versions, not just one |
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| 21:58.19 | Yamakiri | how do I get flash player working? |
| 21:58.21 | stew | autonomyasd: typically by all versions returned by pyversions -vs |
| 21:58.41 | stew | autonomyasd: i'd recommend looking at some other pythohn extension packages |
| 21:58.58 | LoveGuru | Hello, have a quick question regarding ssh, when i login to my box through ssh i wan't when i put my login after that it shows my rules before processeding further after put my id and before the password it shows my rules, how can i do that? |
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| 21:59.14 | autonomyasd | stew: right - I'll read the new policy and work it into the package for trial 2 - do you know of a simple python extension package off the top of your head? |
| 21:59.57 | autonomyasd | hmm... should be easy enought to find one |
| 22:00.04 | autonomyasd | stew: thanks alot for your help =) |
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| 22:00.16 | stew | not off the top of my head |
| 22:00.38 | Thumpity | anybody know how to fix this error? |
| 22:00.41 | Thumpity | http://pastebin.com/d7076ea96 |
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| 22:03.29 | abrotman | Thumpity: ask #java ? |
| 22:03.46 | abrotman | or the adito authors |
| 22:03.51 | abrotman | adito isn't in debian |
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| 22:06.37 | Thumpity | good idea... no response from adito or java though, and i usually get such good answers here I thought I would try... : ) |
| 22:06.47 | Thumpity | thanks anyways |
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| 22:18.26 | bazyL | mm debian stable or sid for eeepc ? |
| 22:18.42 | stoned | lenny |
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| 22:18.59 | stoned | fair copmropise |
| 22:19.04 | Ace2016_- | bazyL: go with sid |
| 22:19.07 | stoned | uhm |
| 22:19.14 | stoned | compromise, and Ace2016_- don't do that |
| 22:19.21 | Ace2016_- | stoned: for a netbook you want the latest hardare support |
| 22:19.30 | abrotman | Ace2016_-: i've warned you before .. do NOT do that |
| 22:19.30 | stoned | which is why i said lenny |
| 22:19.41 | Ace2016_- | do what? |
| 22:19.46 | stoned | suggest sid |
| 22:19.49 | abrotman | Ace2016_-: you do realize that lenny and sid have the same kernel .. right ? and thus the same hardware support |
| 22:19.57 | stoned | point is , if they ahve to ask, they don't need sid |
| 22:19.59 | Ace2016_- | i do now |
| 22:20.17 | abrotman | Ace2016_-: do not ever recommend sid unless you want to be here to answer all their questions |
| 22:20.20 | bazyL | sid is not testing ? |
| 22:20.29 | abrotman | no, currently lenny is testing |
| 22:20.30 | bazyL | testing is not lenny ? |
| 22:20.33 | stoned | sid is pertually unstable/indevelopment |
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| 22:20.34 | bazyL | ah |
| 22:20.56 | Ace2016_- | go with ubuntu |
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| 22:21.03 | abrotman | Ace2016_-: stop already |
| 22:21.10 | abrotman | !tell bazyL about eeepc |
| 22:21.12 | Ace2016_- | since they have the latest packages with the latest releases |
| 22:21.15 | abrotman | STOP |
| 22:21.19 | stoned | abrotman, |
| 22:21.26 | karsten | What's the status of /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 on 64-bit arches, as of etch? Does amd64 require lib64? Hrm. Looks like they're symlinked. |
| 22:21.28 | stoned | its alright, he can suggest ubuntu if he wants to |
| 22:21.36 | Ace2016_- | and they have forums threads talking about eeepcs (last comment) |
| 22:21.43 | karsten | Policy in lenny notes "The requirement for amd64 to use `/lib64' for 64 bit binaries is removed" |
| 22:21.46 | stoned | Ace2016_-, I guesst you take non debian to private |
| 22:21.47 | abrotman | and so does debian .. you really don't know what you're talking about |
| 22:21.49 | stoned | or to #ubuntu |
| 22:21.51 | streuner | stoned: we are in #d ... |
| 22:21.56 | stoned | streuner, i know |
| 22:22.18 | stoned | but you can't police everyone, people will say ok if debian is not your cup of tea, go with something else, and direct them there, suggest |
| 22:22.19 | bazyL | i've currently install lenny (it's work fine) but i've some problems specifi to iceweasel (very use memory) |
| 22:22.22 | stoned | there is nothing wrong with that |
| 22:22.23 | streuner | in ##linux its ok, but NOT in #d |
| 22:22.27 | stoned | however, suggesting sid is wrong |
| 22:22.33 | stoned | imo anyway |
| 22:23.02 | abrotman | bazyL: that's how everything gecko based is |
| 22:23.16 | karsten | bazyL: Are you a bot? |
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| 22:23.33 | bazyL | karsten, some times |
| 22:23.41 | Ace2016_- | bazyL: try the opera browser |
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| 22:23.57 | abrotman | try this |
| 22:24.06 | stoned | Ace2016_-, and you did that ubuntu suggestion on purpose to test us and/or for similar reason.. stop. |
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| 22:24.17 | karsten | bazyL: How much RAM is on your system, what's the problem with iceweasel, how much memory is it using? |
| 22:24.29 | stoned | Ace2016_-, /msg dpkg sid faq <-- consult that as well |
| 22:24.32 | karsten | bazyL: You can tweak it somewhat to reduce memory footprint. Varies by version as well. |
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| 22:26.00 | stoned | Ace2016_-, and not to beat a dead horse, but really there is never a good enough reason to suggest if someone has to ask if they should use sid or not. Its not that we don't care, its that we don't want to hold hands. Etch and Testing are officially supported here, unless you wish to makde a #debian-sid and support sid there only, don't do it here |
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| 22:26.18 | stoned | s/Etch/stable |
| 22:26.51 | stoned | however we do answer sid questions and supprot sometimes, but we can usually tell fromt he question being asked if its worth answering or not |
| 22:26.57 | ice799 | Hey -- does anyone know if there is a way (or perhaps a different version) of less which will display console colors correctly? |
| 22:26.57 | bazyL | i've upgrade few day to 2go of memory |
| 22:27.07 | stoned | ice799, most? |
| 22:27.27 | stoned | you can use w3m/c whateve that browser as pager |
| 22:27.35 | stoned | i think you can also use lynx as your pager too or links |
| 22:27.44 | ice799 | stoned: is there an app called most? Did you mean more? |
| 22:27.49 | bazyL | but after one day of use (intensive) the use of memory is the same if i close all tab/window |
| 22:27.50 | stoned | "most" |
| 22:27.55 | stoned | beyond more |
| 22:27.55 | stoned | :) |
| 22:27.57 | ice799 | stoned: hmm neve rheard of it |
| 22:28.00 | ice799 | stoned: i'll check it out |
| 22:28.02 | stoned | now you have |
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| 22:28.03 | ice799 | stoned: thanks for the education |
| 22:28.06 | stoned | np |
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| 22:28.28 | stoned | ice799, update-alternatives for pager |
| 22:28.32 | bazyL | karsten, i do not found in about:config, where i can limit memory usage |
| 22:28.43 | stoned | ice799, sudo update-alternatives --config pager |
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| 22:28.51 | stoned | after you install most |
| 22:29.06 | ice799 | stoned: doesnt look like most will display colors correctly =/ |
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| 22:29.23 | stoned | perhaps its not a pagerissue? |
| 22:29.26 | stoned | pager issue |
| 22:29.34 | ice799 | stoned: it actually prints the ansi color codes instead of coloring |
| 22:29.36 | ice799 | stoned: when i use more |
| 22:29.39 | ice799 | stoned: it looks fine |
| 22:29.43 | ice799 | stoned: but more sucks |
| 22:30.08 | stoned | I wouldn't know how to fix that problem |
| 22:30.10 | stoned | I'm a newbie myself |
| 22:30.29 | ice799 | oh well, thanks for the suggestion anyway |
| 22:30.34 | stoned | sure |
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| 22:33.42 | stoned | alright well I'm going home, gonna go warm up my car and then have an epic battle with this fucking traffic |
| 22:33.53 | stoned | *sigh* |
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| 22:34.25 | xingu | fucking traffic? sounds like a benny hill show after party |
| 22:35.02 | mordy | i'm trying to force cellwriter to appear at the kdm login screen |
| 22:35.15 | mordy | it's not working though |
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| 22:38.21 | thirst | was trying to get my wireless to work. "iwlist scanning" shows me all the available networks, but I am not sure how to connect to them. could you please point me to a link that helps |
| 22:39.00 | abrotman | man iwconfig ; man interfaces |
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| 22:40.08 | goog | Hey People! I updated my Ubuntu from 7.10 to 8.04 and to me it looks like its becoming too bloated. For example when I connect my mp3player, some music-application starts. I dont want this kind of guidance. How about Debian these days? I havent used it for years now (switched to ubuntu in 2005). Does it detect most hardware these days? Is it becoming bloated too? |
| 22:40.23 | abrotman | goog: works fine for me! |
| 22:40.47 | goog | abrotman: :-) |
| 22:40.52 | abrotman | goog: and you'd have to define "most hardware" .. remember that debian doesn't have as much firmware in the main system |
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| 22:41.06 | newsense | is there blueray support in linux ? |
| 22:41.43 | abrotman | newsense: considering Debian distributes blu-ray images .. i'd say so |
| 22:42.13 | dustybin | you can play blu-ray movies on debian? wow :) |
| 22:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, yes and dunno - as detecting hardware is mostly a kernel thing, most things can be resolved by running stable with a newer kernel |
| 22:42.31 | goog | abrotman: well, my experience with ubuntu is that i put it on a new machine and everything works except for say one detail per machine and i get that solved in an hour. |
| 22:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
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| 22:43.09 | newsense | abrotman, wasnt aware of that |
| 22:43.09 | newsense | abrotman, do you know off hand if i need a kernel patch ? |
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| 22:43.29 | abrotman | newsense: i do not know |
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| 22:43.46 | abrotman | goog: ultimately depends what you're looking for .. try it? :) |
| 22:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, I guess not using kde or gnome makes me have less bloat :) |
| 22:44.00 | newsense | abrotman, thanks, off to google :) |
| 22:44.30 | thirst | abrotman, is there any tutorial with any examples you are aware of for wireless networking.. |
| 22:44.32 | abrotman | newsense: i'd guess the regular cd/dvd/ driver now includes it |
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| 22:44.45 | newsense | cool |
| 22:44.47 | abrotman | thirst: i'm sure there are .. do you want me to google ? |
| 22:44.55 | goog | abrotman: will probably try it |
| 22:44.56 | newsense | boots up the ps3 |
| 22:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. is there a way to make apt have packages like gnuplot automatically build from source (and with gnu readline)? |
| 22:45.11 | abrotman | thirst: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 22:45.12 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: do you use a windows manager at all? |
| 22:45.12 | thirst | abrotman, couldnt find any decent on google.. :) |
| 22:45.22 | abrotman | thirst: that was the fourth link |
| 22:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, windows manager: yes "desktop environment": no |
| 22:45.57 | goog | goog: which windows manager? |
| 22:46.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | talking to yourself? :) |
| 22:46.08 | trifler | awesome |
| 22:46.25 | thirst | abrotman, when I type NetworkManager nothing shows up .. how do I get the interface to come up ? |
| 22:46.37 | abrotman | i don't use networkmanager .. i do mine in the interfaces file |
| 22:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, mostly fvwm2, because I configured that exactly like I want it years ago... but openbox is also pretty nice |
| 22:46.49 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-get [build-dep|source] ... |
| 22:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, I meant on apt-get update |
| 22:47.25 | trifler | CutMeOwnThroat: when talking wm:s you have to provide a scrot. |
| 22:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, the more you update (and the more packages you have you want to build from source) the more bothersome it becomes :) |
| 22:48.08 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: no kidding; this is why we centralise it and distribute the end product |
| 22:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, no! really!? |
| 22:48.43 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: whats the difference between say openbox and gnome? do you have a taskbar in openbox? |
| 22:49.26 | roe_ | anyone know what the "Standard System" installs? |
| 22:49.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, that doesn't change that the builtin readline from gnuplot sucks, or that libemf still didn't make it into debian and applications are not linked against it, or that debian only distributes pine source-packages out of legal reasons |
| 22:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, no... I don't like taskbars - there are wm-independent taskbars, though |
| 22:50.04 | xingu | yawns |
| 22:50.43 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: you have multiple windows open but no taskbar? how do you switch applications? via keyboard? |
| 22:50.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... so obviously there are packages you want to build yourself to get the functionality you want |
| 22:51.46 | goog | the wikipedia screenshot of openbox has a taskbar: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Openbox_desktop.png |
| 22:52.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, I got a large virtual desktop :) and many icons |
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| 22:53.23 | ice799 | stoned: turnes out less takes a -R which shows ansi colors correctly |
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| 22:53.29 | ice799 | stoned: summary: I am dumb and shouldhave read the man page. |
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| 22:54.01 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: so instead of "switching" you "scroll to"? |
| 22:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, http://www.imgdumper.com/file/img/2008/dec/18/img/g5eszf7emo0mca02lgqzfx08b.jpg |
| 22:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, stuff becomes iconized when I minimize... I don't have any file icons as I don't use a file manager, I got process icons |
| 22:55.03 | ponyofdeath | hi, im trying to use the d-i preseed/late_command but it doesnt seem to work when testing with echo "test" > /target/test |
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| 22:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, actually I also have the wheel mouse configured to scroll up/down on the virtual desktop if the mouse is on the background |
| 22:55.51 | oOarthurOo | what p2p programs are available in debian? I've searched for limewire and frostwire but aptitude isn't having any of it. |
| 22:55.52 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, i never saw something like that. that windows become "iconized". |
| 22:56.02 | xoz_ | goog: you can use fbpanel and fbpager + conky + openbox |
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| 22:56.38 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: is there a livedisk of some distro that has a setup similar to yours? |
| 22:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, weird... that's been the the normal behavior a lot... |
| 22:56.53 | SnoFox | Okay, I've got Realtek Audio, and I can't figure out how I did it before, but I can't play sound through both the front and rear audio jacks simultaniously. Sound is routed to the front jack unless it's unplugged, then it plays through the rear jack. How can I fix this to play through both jacks simultaniously? |
| 22:56.55 | xoz_ | oOarthurOo: download them from their websites. they are java apps and can be run in debian |
| 22:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, I think it's default for fvwm2 and also for openbox (at least it was when I used it) |
| 22:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't like taskbars, because they steal space from the applications |
| 22:57.39 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: and the icons of the iconized windows are somewhere on the desktop then? then they are hidden behind other windows? |
| 22:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, sure... if there are windows in front of them... you can either put the window in the lowest layer to get to them or switch to another desktop, as they're sticky... |
| 22:59.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | (they act like a small window) |
| 22:59.29 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: "put the window in the lowest layer"? |
| 22:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, so you know of know way to automatically trigger getting the source package? |
| 22:59.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, you can have windows on top of other windows, no? |
| 23:00.22 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm... |
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| 23:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | even windows 3.2 still had icons and not a taskbar iirc |
| 23:00.42 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: there's no auto-trigger; but it'd be trivial to write your own wrapper |
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| 23:01.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | here... win 3.1 - no icons visible, but also no taskbar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x |
| 23:02.13 | goog | what would happen if you just install X but not windows manager? |
| 23:02.16 | goog | would you be able to run - say - openoffice? |
| 23:02.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, moderately trivial, I guess... |
| 23:02.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, sure... why don't you just try it |
| 23:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can't move windows |
| 23:03.07 | goog | dont even know how |
| 23:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I can't tell you because I have no idea how it would work in ubuntu :) |
| 23:04.06 | goog | i could somehow kill gnome and start x i guess... |
| 23:04.40 | dindinx | you don't need to kill gnome for that. |
| 23:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, X normally depends on the WM process |
| 23:05.28 | dindinx | goog: from a text console, put oowriter in ~/.xinitrc, and startx -- :1 |
| 23:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, type "X -- :1" ... that normally starts without WM (ctrl-alt-backspace to close) |
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| 23:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but without application or ability to start one :) |
| 23:06.22 | SparFux | How to use CAPI in Debian unstable? |
| 23:06.23 | dindinx | CutMeOwnThroat: and and from there (the text console), you can run any sofware you want in the X display |
| 23:06.42 | goog | CutMeOwnThroat: after ctrl+alt+backspace, gnome immediately starts again |
| 23:07.11 | dindinx | CutMeOwnThroat: just try: DISPLAY=:1 xterm will run xterm on display :1 |
| 23:07.12 | mfaraci | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.38 | goog | mfaraci: mounting happens over a specific nic? |
| 23:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dindinx, I know all that :) it was goog who asked if debian has less bloat and if it'd be worth to switch... whereas I answered that a lot of bloat is in KDE or gnome so I wouldn't know :) |
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| 23:09.41 | r4ndr4d4s | hi guys |
| 23:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mfaraci, guess your routing tables determine that (not only for mounts, though) |
| 23:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | goog, normally "X -- :1& sleep 10 && xterm -display :1" should give you a new X without WM and one xterm (end the 2nd X with ctrl-alt-backspace) |
| 23:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mfaraci, if you find a way to change the nic/IP any program is using with a wrapper or something I'd be interested... (should be more difficult for a mount) |
| 23:13.52 | mfaraci | CutMeOwnThrout, thinking of using ip tables to only allow second nic outbound for NFS traffic :) |
| 23:14.48 | xingu | mfaraci: as a crude approximation, add a host route to the nfs server via the preferred interface |
| 23:15.36 | mfaraci | xingu, ok thanks i will try that |
| 23:17.36 | xingu | mfaraci: source address selection in linux occurs during route table lookup |
| 23:18.01 | xingu | (it does in most modern ip stacks) |
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| 23:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mfaraci, iptables will not make mount take the other nic/ip, it will just make it fail trying to use the same one "dis wil not workz" |
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| 23:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mfaraci, for firefox, one can use a proxy like internet junkbuster and configure it to listen to/use the other IP... |
| 23:23.45 | goog | strange, there is no .xinitrc on my machine. "find / -name .xinitrc" finds nothing. |
| 23:24.02 | kevind23 | http://pastebin.ca/1288859 << does anyone know what the error at the end means? someone advised me last night to compile xf86-video-intel from git and now Xorg won't even load the intel driver |
| 23:24.07 | jelly-home | goog: that's not strange |
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| 23:24.45 | goog | jelly-home: people say in that file is written what is started with X. |
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| 23:26.00 | goog | i thought i could do something like |
| 23:26.01 | jelly-home | goog: no, they say that's the place to put custom, user stuff that is to be started with X |
| 23:26.02 | goog | # gnome |
| 23:26.04 | goog | openbox |
| 23:26.06 | goog | to exchange gnome with openbox :-) |
| 23:26.25 | thing1 | is it possible to redirect a request like 192.168.0.1:8080 to 192.168.0.4:8080 using ip tables |
| 23:26.33 | jelly-home | goog: oh, just choose openbox on the login screen for that |
| 23:26.39 | kevind23 | it depends on your login manager, no? if you're using something like [gkx]dm, then you'll want to edit those configs |
| 23:26.47 | jelly-home | goog: "Sessions" |
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| 23:28.18 | goog | thanks! and good night. |
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| 23:29.33 | oOarthurOo | Hey yall.. I'm having loads of problems with multimedia playback. I can't get wma to play at all. I've added dmm and installed a lot of codecs... w32 for instance. But still no joy. |
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| 23:30.37 | syslq | I have downloaded open source komodo ide and I have installed it into ~/komodo and made symbolic link to /usr/local/bin/komodo. Should I install it in opt or is this proper? |
| 23:30.46 | syslq | Btw excelent python ide |
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| 23:32.10 | goog | I cant stop playing :-) |
| 23:32.43 | goog | In GDM - when i say "terminal session" is then only X and a Terminal being started? |
| 23:32.47 | format_c | thing1, do you want us to google? |
| 23:32.58 | format_c | have a look at http://security.maruhn.com/ |
| 23:33.02 | goog | So I could start openbox by typing "openbox"? |
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| 23:33.15 | goog | And then i have Openbox running? |
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| 23:33.59 | Maulkin | Try it :) |
| 23:34.07 | goog | i tried it |
| 23:34.15 | jelly-home | goog: what happened? |
| 23:34.19 | goog | i get a terminal that i cannot resize |
| 23:34.32 | goog | and when i hit CTRL+ the font does not resize |
| 23:34.41 | goog | and i dont have a german keyboard layout |
| 23:34.58 | goog | and when i write "firefox" i get firefox without a way to resize it. |
| 23:35.05 | jelly-home | xterm doesn't resize that way |
| 23:35.08 | SerajewelKS | fuck papa john's... they think iceweasel is a mobile browser |
| 23:35.28 | goog | so is that naked X i see then? |
| 23:35.35 | jelly-home | goog: did you try running openbox, like you proposed above? |
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| 23:35.49 | goog | jelly-home: no, i dont have openbox |
| 23:35.56 | goog | did not install it jet |
| 23:36.04 | goog | just trying to understand the system better. |
| 23:36.21 | jelly-home | then you didn't try it really |
| 23:36.38 | jelly-home | you got an xterm with no window manager running |
| 23:36.52 | goog | jelly-home: thats what i mean |
| 23:36.59 | goog | jelly-home: whats an xterm? |
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| 23:37.13 | goog | i would understand if you said "you got X running with no window manager" |
| 23:37.14 | thing1 | format_c i am asking if its possible |
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| 23:37.17 | oOarthurOo | How do I enable playback of wma files? |
| 23:37.34 | format_c | you did and you found an answer. |
| 23:37.38 | jelly-home | goog: usually a window manager takes care or providing chrome around a window that, among other things, makes resizing windows easier |
| 23:37.40 | amphi | oOarthurOo: ffmpeg can play [some of] them |
| 23:37.56 | amphi | oOarthurOo: sorry, I think of wmv |
| 23:37.57 | jelly-home | goog: the standard X terminal emulator |
| 23:38.09 | goog | jelly-home: yupp |
| 23:38.15 | format_c | I didn't really realized something like that using iptables. |
| 23:38.17 | goog | the system feels faster then with gnome. |
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| 23:38.44 | dutchfish | hi guys, maybe i overlooked something, but when i reboot a server (debian servers are not rebooted not that much after all) i get something like this: dev/sda3 has gone 219 days without being checked, check forced. How to coop with this? checking 3TB takes looong .... |
| 23:38.44 | oOarthurOo | amphi: Yeah... got that installed already |
| 23:38.45 | goog | there is no way at all to switch between windows in X? |
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| 23:39.00 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone know ho i can use debian's preseed to set up serial console after a pxe install? |
| 23:39.08 | mistermocha | is there a way that I can send a keepalive back down a different shell? |
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| 23:39.12 | amphi | goog: with no WM, focus follows mouse if I recall correctly |
| 23:39.14 | mistermocha | that is... if I were to log into a server on one ssh connection, is there a command I can execute to send a keepalive back down a different ssh connection? |
| 23:39.49 | goog | amphi: yes, it does. |
| 23:39.54 | xingu | dutchfish: it's a real good idea to just put up with it. |
| 23:40.06 | xingu | dutchfish: you can knock it on the head via tune2fs, but seriously - don't. |
| 23:40.19 | dutchfish | xingu, sure, but i cant explain a customer that that takes 1 hour or more |
| 23:40.42 | dutchfish | xingu, are there better strageies? |
| 23:40.42 | goog | why do the menus of the applications look differently when i have no wm running? does the wm somehow intercept the display of menus? |
| 23:40.47 | xingu | dutchfish: the occasional deep fsck is all that stands between you and some seriously illin' data mangling foo; one of the most severe ext3 bugs ever encountered *only* occurred on volumes checked infrequently. |
| 23:40.58 | jelly-home | dutchfish: 1 hour only for 3TB? Wow. |
| 23:41.16 | dutchfish | xingu, does it help cut down the check time if i would reboot it monthly or so? |
| 23:41.35 | xingu | dutchfish: not really; fsck has to happen while the volume is offline; and no, the fsck time should be much of a muchness - it has to walk the fs structures from the top |
| 23:41.51 | dutchfish | jelly-home, its hw raid 10 with quiet a few disks |
| 23:42.28 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, are there any FS that can do this online (mounted)? |
| 23:42.34 | xingu | dutchfish: one strategy is to use fs snapshots - open a snapshot, fsck the volume, then roll forward the snapshot |
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| 23:42.54 | dutchfish | xingu, excellent idee, gotcha, thx, i can do that |
| 23:43.15 | jelly-home | "this volume was good an hour ago" |
| 23:43.20 | dutchfish | xingu, if (no errors) i can savely discard the snapshot then |
| 23:43.25 | xingu | dutchfish: you can always do an ro fsck, but the point is that you really should be doing a regular fully intrusive fsck regardless (and the snapshot volume dance doesn't really achieve that) |
| 23:44.00 | dutchfish | xingu, sure, but when i can do a check online -> if errors -> do the normal routine |
| 23:44.12 | xingu | dutchfish: it's one strategy |
| 23:44.31 | dutchfish | xingu, after all its hw raid 10 with 4 hotspairs |
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| 23:44.40 | xingu | dutchfish: won't save your bacon if the journal is on the fritz though |
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| 23:44.49 | dutchfish | xingu, right, thats true |
| 23:44.55 | dutchfish | xingu, mmm... |
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| 23:45.23 | MariachiAC | hello. is there a way I cna get alsa working with a 5.1 et of speakers? |
| 23:45.32 | xingu | dutchfish: snapshot+fsck with robust backups is probably the least-worst |
| 23:45.44 | dutchfish | xingu, i could do a HA on most important VM's wich can in turn go offline |
| 23:46.10 | xingu | dutchfish: personally I'd err on the side of say quarterly scheduled full outage - fsck, psu failover testing, etc. |
| 23:46.11 | dutchfish | xingu, that way i can walk the normal forced fchk |
| 23:46.17 | xingu | (and I do) |
| 23:46.36 | dutchfish | xingu, right, psu failover testin gis monthly already |
| 23:46.54 | dutchfish | xingu, but that done fast |
| 23:46.59 | xingu | nods |
| 23:47.03 | dutchfish | s/that/that is |
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| 23:47.35 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, ill walk the high availability path then (2 synced server) |
| 23:47.47 | xingu | dutchfish: anyway; once you figure out policy with all that in mind, tune2fs is mechanism for disabling the auto-check-on-n-mount as well as auto-check-after-n-days |
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| 23:48.00 | dutchfish | xingu, and those that dont want that (costs) have the coop with some down time |
| 23:48.09 | xingu | nods |
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| 23:48.18 | xingu | dutchfish: as I always say, think of it as a sales opportunity :) |
| 23:48.34 | dutchfish | xingu, i dont want to disable the check, just a nice (fast) way to handle it |
| 23:48.45 | dutchfish | xingu, bingo |
| 23:48.58 | dutchfish | xingu, thanks again Sir, for all the wisdom |
| 23:48.59 | xingu | dutchfish: the speed of the check should be pretty much of a muchness - scales per fs complexity |
| 23:49.12 | dutchfish | xingu, right |
| 23:49.43 | xingu | dutchfish: point being you don't know that the structures are hoofed unless you walk them and walking them is what takes time |
| 23:49.57 | dutchfish | nods |
| 23:50.04 | xingu | dutchfish: if you replace your storage with slc ssd's it'll take less time :) |
| 23:50.14 | dutchfish | :) |
| 23:50.51 | xingu | dutchfish: xfs' fsck should be faster than something like ext2/ext3 |
| 23:50.57 | dutchfish | xingu, and depending on the quality of the ssd, some or sloooow |
| 23:51.03 | xingu | nods |
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| 23:51.38 | dutchfish | xingu, time for the new srams ;) |
| 23:51.42 | redheat | hi everyone |
| 23:52.26 | xingu | vanishes |
| 23:52.44 | dutchfish | xingu, last wild idee for this day: can the ext3 journal be holded on a separate disk? |
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| 23:53.46 | redheat | I have just installed debian, and I need it to see my wireless usb network card, it's a Belkin and it's attached to my Desktop, I used for Debian's installation the first installation CD, and during the installation it showed me a number of network cards, and one of them is my motherboard-built in network card which I never use. My wireless network card already shows up when I use lsusb, but don't how to install a driver for it, can anyone help me if possi |
| 23:53.53 | amphi | dutchfish: as I recall, yes |
| 23:54.01 | dutchfish | amphi, thx |
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| 23:55.03 | dutchfish | redheat, what card on you usb? lsusb line? |
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| 23:55.42 | redheat | it's a Belkin usb network card, and the usb line is 050d:906b |
| 23:55.53 | redheat | sorry, that smiley just popped up.. |
| 23:55.53 | dutchfish | redheat, type? |
| 23:56.14 | redheat | I'm sorry, where can I find that? |
| 23:56.31 | stoned | hi |
| 23:56.34 | dutchfish | redheat, what line exactly does lsub give you for your usb device? |
| 23:56.43 | dutchfish | s/lsub/lsusb |
| 23:57.06 | redheat | the whole line is Buss 007 Device 003 : ID 050d 905b |
| 23:57.20 | redheat | that was the whole line infront of my usb Belkin Components card |
| 23:57.42 | stoned | belkin uew |
| 23:58.11 | dutchfish | redheat, probably Ralink RT2671F, RT2528L (RT73) |
| 23:58.32 | redheat | exactly, it's a ralink t73, right on the money..dutchfish |
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| 23:59.09 | redheat | the problem was I chose no networking during the setup, because the only options they showed me where of ethernet cards, none of em was wireless |
| 23:59.19 | dutchfish | redheat, is that driver loaded grep RT73 lsmod |
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