| 00:00.10 | redheat | it gave me no such file or directory |
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| 00:00.26 | redheat | I already have one on another partition of my harddrive, |
| 00:00.38 | dutchfish | redheat, sorry: lsmod | grep RT73 |
| 00:00.39 | redheat | just how to install it that's all |
| 00:00.47 | redheat | roger that |
| 00:00.56 | redheat | hold on for a second |
| 00:01.02 | dutchfish | redheat, ok |
| 00:01.14 | dondelelcaro | redheat: if you're sure you've got an rt73, just install rt73-modules-2.6-i386 (or whatever) and the firmware-ralink package |
| 00:01.27 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, 99% sure |
| 00:01.36 | dondelelcaro | redheat: you'll need contrib and non-free in your sources.list in order to do that |
| 00:01.38 | redheat | it gave me..nothing dutchfish.. |
| 00:01.50 | dondelelcaro | (which is why it doesn't work by default on install) |
| 00:01.51 | dutchfish | redheat, ok, follow dondelelcaro |
| 00:02.18 | redheat | roger..thank you dutchfish..appreciate it friend..ok dondeleclcaro..what should I do? |
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| 00:02.36 | NextLevel | hello pepole, is here a small chan where anybody could explain me some unix systems? |
| 00:02.38 | dondelelcaro | redheat: see what I said about 6 lines above; the rt73 drivers and firmware are already packaged |
| 00:03.05 | redheat | you mean using the synaptic manager.. |
| 00:03.19 | dutchfish | NextLevel, tried #unix |
| 00:03.19 | NextLevel | :/ |
| 00:03.35 | NextLevel | is unix not linux? ^^ |
| 00:03.40 | NextLevel | the overall word |
| 00:03.40 | dutchfish | NextLevel, almost ;) |
| 00:03.46 | NextLevel | whats unix? |
| 00:03.50 | dutchfish | NextLevel, but not really |
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| 00:03.59 | NextLevel | okay.. |
| 00:04.05 | redheat | the grand dad of linux |
| 00:04.09 | redheat | lol |
| 00:04.09 | dutchfish | NextLevel, this channel is dedicated to Debian linux |
| 00:04.25 | NextLevel | debian is a os? or? |
| 00:04.47 | dutchfish | NextLevel, os -> distribution (in linux terms) |
| 00:04.48 | dondelelcaro | redheat: or aptitude or apt-get, yes. |
| 00:05.03 | NextLevel | i need a small and overviewable system |
| 00:05.13 | dutchfish | !debian |
| 00:05.13 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:05.42 | dutchfish | NextLevel, then Debian could be a good choice |
| 00:05.52 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 00:05.53 | dpkg | [debianlove] the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
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| 00:06.11 | redheat | ok I typed apt-get and searched for rt73 using synaptic and it turned nill, I need to use the one on my harddrive, how do I access |
| 00:06.13 | redheat | it? |
| 00:06.18 | redheat | sorry for line bread |
| 00:07.00 | dutchfish | redheat, aptitude search RT73 |
| 00:07.08 | NextLevel | i got a small intel 90mhz prozessor ;) and i only want to use it as network server |
| 00:07.09 | redheat | roger |
| 00:07.35 | redheat | no results.. |
| 00:07.38 | dutchfish | NextLevel, memmory & CPU type? |
| 00:07.42 | NextLevel | some win systems do not match ;) |
| 00:07.47 | dondelelcaro | redheat: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 00:07.52 | redheat | there's one more problem, I tried to access my other partition and it gave me an eror message |
| 00:07.58 | NextLevel | and old working system, 90mhz, 128mb ram, 1gb disk space |
| 00:08.00 | redheat | the latest one, I used the first CD1, |
| 00:08.09 | NextLevel | or lower, i must look |
| 00:08.10 | redheat | you know from the isntallation page.. |
| 00:08.19 | dutchfish | redheat, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:08.32 | dondelelcaro | redheat: if you're using etch, we don't have the rt73 drivers packaged for that; they're only availble on lenny and/or sid |
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| 00:08.47 | redheat | version 4 |
| 00:08.53 | dondelelcaro | redheat: that's etch |
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| 00:09.15 | redheat | ok..so I'm out of luck and I wanted to use Debian very much.. |
| 00:09.21 | NextLevel | is it able to set up for some network targets? |
| 00:09.31 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, backports? |
| 00:09.41 | redheat | so when is lenny coming out.? |
| 00:09.52 | redheat | I heard on www.distrowatch.com soon I think |
| 00:09.54 | esaym | how do I stop a kde theme being applied to only one gtk app? |
| 00:10.00 | dutchfish | redheat, if this is a desktop, you could use lenny right now |
| 00:10.10 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: afaik it's not; doesn't show up on p.d.o |
| 00:10.12 | redheat | it is a desktop.. |
| 00:10.29 | dutchfish | redheat, then you could install lenny |
| 00:10.49 | lostson | lenny is good thats what i am using |
| 00:10.49 | redheat | how? which CD should I download, I downloaded the DVD version but it didn't boot up |
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| 00:11.16 | redheat | roger that lostson, |
| 00:11.16 | dutchfish | redheat, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:11.26 | mohadib | is it possbible to make a raid mirror with GParted? I can't seem to find the option |
| 00:12.25 | dutchfish | redheat, if you have a good bandwidth use the net-install cd |
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| 00:12.31 | redheat | so guys, which version the CD or DVD? and will they have network support like netinst? |
| 00:12.49 | redheat | yes I have a 1MB/s ADSL connection |
| 00:12.57 | dutchfish | redheat, there you go |
| 00:12.58 | LoveGuru | is there "apparmor" for debian? or any tutorial which can help howto setup apparmor in debian. |
| 00:13.04 | redheat | you answered my question..the netinst it is.. |
| 00:13.14 | dutchfish | redheat, yup |
| 00:13.54 | redheat | dutchfish, dondelelecaro, thank you so much folks, I truly appreciate it ..thank you both for your help.. |
| 00:13.56 | dutchfish | redheat, you might want to have this lappy connected through wired so during install |
| 00:14.15 | redheat | you wanted wired..got it.. |
| 00:14.29 | dutchfish | redheat, good luck, yw |
| 00:14.31 | redheat | thought the whole network is wireless, I'll have to shift to wireed |
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| 00:14.44 | redheat | thank you so much for your help truly appreciate it.. |
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| 00:14.50 | darnell | any handwriting recognition programs for debian? |
| 00:14.52 | dutchfish | redheat, yes, you later then install like dondelelcaro explained |
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| 00:16.16 | dutchfish | darnell, ocrad? |
| 00:16.19 | LoveGuru | anyone? |
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| 00:16.28 | darnell | ocrad? ill have to look it up |
| 00:16.31 | darnell | never heard of it |
| 00:16.37 | thirst | darnell, user tesseract |
| 00:17.02 | dutchfish | darnell, or aptitude search ocr |
| 00:17.13 | thirst | darnell, http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ |
| 00:17.33 | darnell | k, thanx. hope its better than cellwriter |
| 00:17.43 | dutchfish | thirst, Apache 2.0 License |
| 00:18.18 | kevind23 | ok, I need the intel video drver from experimental to use X on my laptop, and I get a weird error: http://pastebin.ca/1288904 ..can anyone explain? |
| 00:19.01 | thirst | dutchfish, yup.. |
| 00:20.34 | dutchfish | kevind23, did you backport (recompile)? |
| 00:20.50 | kevind23 | recompile what? |
| 00:21.01 | dutchfish | kevind23, not sure, but you might ran into a libc6 problem |
| 00:21.42 | kevind23 | orly.. how do I fix that? |
| 00:22.02 | kevind23 | I believe I have libc6 on experimental |
| 00:22.23 | dutchfish | kevind23, to be honest, i dont know |
| 00:22.34 | kevind23 | :\ |
| 00:23.01 | darnell | ok i installed ocrad/ tesseract.. what now? |
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| 00:24.34 | jabis | man ocrad |
| 00:24.42 | jabis | man tesseract |
| 00:24.50 | jabis | would be a good starting point ^^ |
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| 00:26.34 | dutchfish | darnell, for tesseract you might want to delve into this: http://www.geocities.com/thierryguy/ocube.html |
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| 00:29.32 | WolvBite | hey all. when playing audio player with smplayer. the music pauses while the system has to go to the cd and get more info from the tracks. so I get interupted play all the time. anyone have a fix to this problem |
| 00:29.44 | dutchfish | darnell, if you are on KDE you also want to have a look at kooka |
| 00:30.47 | mohadib | cab i rerun the partion editor thats on the install disk? |
| 00:30.56 | dutchfish | WolvBite, increase cache memory in you fav. player |
| 00:31.02 | mohadib | so i can easily create a new raid device |
| 00:31.37 | peterS | mohadib: by booting the CD, yes. I don't think that application exists on the installed system. there are other partitioning tools that do. |
| 00:31.50 | dutchfish | WolvBite, amarok, does a nice job on that per default |
| 00:31.52 | mohadib | peterS: can you suggest one to help me setup raid1? |
| 00:32.18 | karsten | What's the general recommendation for _not_ running fsck on filesystems on which files are never (or only ever rarely) deleted? |
| 00:32.25 | peterS | mohadib: I don't know ... I tend to set that kind of stuff up mostly by hand. I would use 'cfdisk' to create the partitions then 'mdadm' to create the array itself |
| 00:32.27 | WolvBite | dutchfish splayer uses mplayer as a backend... where do I make that cache adjustment |
| 00:32.32 | karsten | has the long-fsck problem on a set of 500GB+ drives. |
| 00:32.38 | mohadib | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 00:32.38 | dutchfish | WolvBite, man mplayer |
| 00:32.50 | WolvBite | OK |
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| 00:33.12 | WolvBite | man mplayer |
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| 00:34.06 | darnell | hrm.. sounds like there would be a more robust program. i have a tabletpc and just want to use my stylus to write.. ocrad and kooka seem like its not quite what im looking for |
| 00:34.13 | amphi | WolvBite: ETERM |
| 00:34.27 | _stack | a-term |
| 00:34.33 | _stack | in sense of any kind of terminal :) |
| 00:35.10 | peterS | SIGTERM |
| 00:35.20 | amphi | heh |
| 00:35.23 | WolvBite | yeah... i know. I just typed the command in the wrong window is all..i'm ignorant but not that ignorant.... LOL |
| 00:35.24 | csc_ | i really need the help of a guru about networking. here is the situation: i have an host A, which runs host B virtually. B connects to a VPN. Now what happens is that, although B can get a nameserver from the VPN and can resolv names, I cannot open a simple web page of an http server inside the VPN, while I can do it from A if i connect to the same VPN. do you have any ideas? if you need mre informations, let me know |
| 00:36.24 | peterS | csc_: to start with, "runs host B virtually" is far too vague (there are lots of virtualization solutions out there), and so is "a VPN" (there are lots of VPN implementations and topologies) |
| 00:36.37 | mohadib | can someone suggest a chunk size to use for creating a raid array? |
| 00:36.42 | dutchfish | csc_, check if you have been proxied, if yes, config that accordingly or read the howtos on local connecting to the web for your browser |
| 00:36.43 | mohadib | i see 4 and 64 |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | 42! |
| 00:36.54 | mohadib | :s |
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| 00:37.03 | csc_ | peterS, virtualbox. furthermore, i already configured a vbox like the above one, and it did not give any prob. i do not know what i am doing differently |
| 00:37.54 | csc_ | dutchfish, in that case i do not need a proxy, since the http server is inside the vpn.. |
| 00:38.21 | LoveGuru | is there "apparmor" for debian? or any tutorial which can help howto setup apparmor in debian. |
| 00:38.34 | dutchfish | csc_, maybe you need to check your arp tables then, if your bridge/routing is setup correctly |
| 00:38.47 | dutchfish | csc_, and routing tables |
| 00:38.57 | csc_ | let me check |
| 00:39.05 | csc_ | it seems the tun device is ok |
| 00:39.12 | csc_ | namservers are ok |
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| 00:39.16 | dutchfish | csc_, is it a bridge setup? |
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| 00:39.21 | csc_ | no |
| 00:39.27 | dutchfish | csc_, so ruoti9ng |
| 00:39.29 | thirst | hi guys, After invoking NetworkManager using nm-applet, i see only WEP 64, 128 and LEAP .. how do i get WPA/WPA2 to list.. i have already installed wpa_supplicant |
| 00:40.03 | dutchfish | csc_, study your route -n |
| 00:40.10 | csc_ | dutchfish, ok, let me see |
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| 00:40.50 | dutchfish | cwsc-if you have more then 1 VM also check connectivity between 2 VM's |
| 00:41.24 | csc_ | oh my god..but eth0 is still up |
| 00:41.32 | csc_ | it used to go down |
| 00:41.43 | dutchfish | csc_, thats one |
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| 00:41.56 | csc_ | let me try to ifdown it |
| 00:43.20 | csc_ | lol..i lost the connection to my vm |
| 00:43.38 | dutchfish | csc_, 1. think first 2 type |
| 00:44.03 | WolvBite | <dutchfish> well I adjusted the cache to 8 megabytes but its still no good.one other thing, If I play the cd file with soundjuicer i get the same issue |
| 00:45.31 | dutchfish | WolvBite, 1. maybe more then 1 soundsystem, wich conflicts (check that) 2. hardware problem (like mixing IDE/SATA channels) 3. b0rken head |
| 00:45.59 | amphi | WolvBite: is dma enabled for the drive? |
| 00:46.19 | WolvBite | don't knowif dmais enabled.howdo I check that |
| 00:46.31 | pleed | does anyone know how i can force a software raid to resync? cat /proc/mdstat says that resync is pending |
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| 00:46.55 | amphi | WolvBite: try hdparm |
| 00:47.00 | WolvBite | sorry, space bar notworkingto well tonight |
| 00:47.02 | dutchfish | pleed, sync && sync ? |
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| 00:47.40 | amphi | WolvBite: hdparm -I /dev/whatever | grep -i DMA for example |
| 00:47.59 | WolvBite | k |
| 00:48.06 | pleed | dutchfish: sync empties the read/write buffer |
| 00:48.15 | dutchfish | pleed, yes |
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| 00:48.25 | pleed | raid resync is another thing |
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| 00:48.35 | dutchfish | pleed, mm... yes |
| 00:48.52 | Garda | in aptitude, how to i see what version of a particular package are available and force the installation of a particular version? |
| 00:49.19 | abrotman | Garda: apt-cache policy <package> .. aptitude install foo=<version> |
| 00:49.36 | peterS | Garda: run it full-screen, find the package, hit Enter, use the down arrow to select a version from the list at the bottom, and at that point you can hit + or - to select or unselect a version |
| 00:49.50 | peterS | Garda: ...then q to return to the main index screen, and go from there |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | bah .. you kids and your fancy interfaces :) |
| 00:50.29 | dutchfish | pleed, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-0.4x-HOWTO-4.html (mind --force-resync) |
| 00:50.47 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, well, it took awhile for full-screen aptitude to wean me off of dselect. so I was hardcore once (: |
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| 00:51.09 | Garda | thanks abrotman peterS |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | peterS: as soon as i realized i didn't have to use dselect .. i shot it, and lived happily :) |
| 00:51.16 | dutchfish | pleed, i meant point 4 |
| 00:51.26 | Garda | you call this fancy |
| 00:51.51 | peterS | abrotman: I never _loved_ dselect, I suppose, but for awhile aptitude bugged me 'cause it couldn't do all the things I used dselect for. then ... it could ... and I got used to it |
| 00:51.53 | Garda | i'm having to downgrade from synaptic to aptitude cos no X server |
| 00:52.09 | peterS | I don't consider that a downgrade (: |
| 00:52.13 | abrotman | peterS: only jetscreamer loved dselect |
| 00:52.32 | peterS | I was fond of it, but I was jaded enough to see its shortcomings |
| 00:53.10 | peterS | back in 1996 though it was the shiznit. nobody else had a package manager frontend half as convenient |
| 00:53.11 | abrotman | like the endless "this depends on this but this doesn't want it but this other thing does but .. but .. but .. but .." |
| 00:53.40 | Garda | ooh |
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| 00:53.42 | dutchfish | abrotman, ;) |
| 00:53.48 | Garda | aptitude is actually better than synaptic |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | we know that! |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | peterS: i forget when i stopped using dselect .. maybe during potato |
| 00:54.13 | Garda | i never realised |
| 00:54.18 | peterS | aptitude doesn't make touchpads, therefore it must be better |
| 00:55.00 | Garda | how is dselect different to aptitude? |
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| 00:55.18 | abrotman | Garda: just ignore that dselect exists |
| 00:55.24 | amphi | heh |
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| 00:56.05 | peterS | Garda: it was designed around 1995 and was very impressive then. but nowadays it would feel very clunky and unintuitive. the keybindings are horrible unless you already know them very well |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | the keybindings have little to do with the awfulness |
| 00:57.27 | peterS | nowadays I think we only keep it around for Ian Jackson to use, and to be the backend for 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' which some people swear is more intelligent about difficult upgrade logic |
| 00:57.36 | Garda | i think one time i may have used it when installing sarge or the version before that (woody i think) |
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| 00:58.35 | dutchfish | aptitude saved my neck countless times already |
| 00:58.36 | WolvBite | be back havetoreboot for hdparm |
| 00:58.43 | Garda | did the installer ask you to manually select packages during install |
| 00:58.49 | Garda | can't remember |
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| 01:01.29 | nnull | is it a bad idea to run a squid server/sshd on the same host as my media lounge pc? |
| 01:02.02 | dutchfish | nnull, there are lighter althernatives |
| 01:03.01 | nnull | dutchfish¬ how do you mean? |
| 01:03.05 | dutchfish | nnull, i dont know what machine you have, but i like to virtualize special jobs |
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| 01:03.37 | codeblue | hey all, I having a problem with my Proftpd on debian. I cannot login as any users. the first and second account I created work fine, but all other accounts do not. Error It gives: 530 Login incorrect. when I login with correct username and password. I have tried everything I could think of, reset passwords, recreated user accounts, reinstalled proftpd, compiled proftpd from source. nothing has worked. I say this here as no one is lisening in #pro |
| 01:03.51 | codeblue | I think it may be a problem with $passwd |
| 01:03.52 | nnull | dutchfish¬ have you ever virtualized a desktop so that the client OS uses s-video/dvi out and uses a 2nd monitor ? |
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| 01:04.15 | nnull | dutchfish¬ without enabling 2 monitors in the host |
| 01:04.30 | dutchfish | nnull, no |
| 01:04.38 | nnull | didnt think so |
| 01:04.44 | dutchfish | nnull, maybe take a look at micro-proxy |
| 01:05.04 | dutchfish | nnull, but apart from the 2 monitors i have done |
| 01:05.12 | Wyzard | nnull: That's possible in principle by giving the VM direct access to the video card -- you'd need a separate video card for it |
| 01:05.27 | nnull | Wyzard¬ ahh good idea |
| 01:05.38 | Wyzard | nnull: Xen can do that (giving guests raw access to PCI devices) but the Xen website has a FAQ entry explaining why doing it for a video card is challenging |
| 01:05.47 | dutchfish | nnull, i use kvm on some video processing machines |
| 01:06.18 | Wyzard | basically, if most video drivers use DMA, and DMA won't work from a guest unless the video driver is paravirtualized or the machine has an IOMMU |
| 01:06.19 | dutchfish | nnull, or indeed xen |
| 01:06.36 | dutchfish | vitio ;) |
| 01:06.37 | Wyzard | AMD's processors have IOMMUs these days, I believe, but I don't know whether Xen supports using it |
| 01:06.45 | dutchfish | s/vitio/virtio |
| 01:07.06 | dutchfish | Wyzard, xen 5 does suppor that |
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| 01:07.47 | dutchfish | Wyzard, but the open source version not yet |
| 01:07.53 | Roland- | hey, where can I get lenny network install cd ? |
| 01:08.05 | codeblue | Can ne1 help me with my above question, Iv been trying to fix it all day |
| 01:08.13 | abrotman | Roland-: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:08.20 | dutchfish | Rooland http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | codeblue: what are their shells set to ? |
| 01:09.35 | codeblue | /bin/false |
| 01:09.45 | dutchfish | Roland-, maybe proftpd is not setup correctly, look at your logs, also dont mix 2 authentication schemes |
| 01:10.13 | dutchfish | Roland-, the default install uses /etc/passwd better use anothe rbackend if you have many users |
| 01:10.28 | dutchfish | oops |
| 01:10.38 | dutchfish | that was all for codeblue |
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| 01:11.01 | codeblue | I had the same setup on another box and it works fine |
| 01:11.15 | dutchfish | codeblue, debian version? |
| 01:11.21 | codeblue | etch |
| 01:11.30 | codeblue | x64 |
| 01:11.52 | dutchfish | codeblue, well, i had the same problem once, i choose mysql as a backend |
| 01:12.14 | codeblue | how do I disable mysql as a backend |
| 01:12.24 | dutchfish | codeblue, in its main config |
| 01:12.47 | codeblue | hmm I never seen anything to do with mysql in the config |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | codeblue: is /bin/false in /etc/shells ? |
| 01:13.20 | codeblue | ahhh |
| 01:13.24 | codeblue | I forgot to do that |
| 01:13.26 | codeblue | OMG |
| 01:13.44 | dutchfish | codeblue, wait |
| 01:14.02 | codeblue | ? |
| 01:14.06 | dutchfish | codeblue, there is a package for that on etch proftpd-mysql , maybe you need to remove that too |
| 01:14.14 | roe_ | I have a 5 disk mdadm raid 5 array (one hot spare) |
| 01:14.22 | roe_ | I just replaced two of the drives |
| 01:14.27 | roe_ | so I am in degraded mode |
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| 01:14.44 | dutchfish | codeblue, but check it first, how the setup was done |
| 01:14.50 | roe_ | I see a few different ways to add them back in, and I don't want to screw up |
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| 01:15.20 | dutchfish | codeblue, also this: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Authentication.html |
| 01:18.12 | dutchfish | Wyzard, kvm is catching up really fast lately, also performance wise does it decent jobs |
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| 01:19.32 | Wyzard | I use it on my home router machine, including the PCI passthrough feature (to give the router VM access to the NIC that connects to the Internet) |
| 01:19.42 | dutchfish | :) |
| 01:19.50 | Wyzard | It's very different from a desktop virtualization product like VirtualBox or VMware though |
| 01:19.57 | dutchfish | yep |
| 01:20.06 | Wyzard | oh, wait, hang on, I misread your message |
| 01:20.09 | Wyzard | Xen is what I use on my router, not KVM |
| 01:20.15 | codeblue | nope still the same :( |
| 01:20.19 | Wyzard | I haven't tried out KVM because it conflicts with VMware |
| 01:20.23 | dutchfish | Wyzard, oh? |
| 01:20.33 | dutchfish | Wizah ic |
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| 01:21.09 | Wyzard | specifically, VMware's use of hardware virtualization (it doesn't require it like KVM, but uses it when available) |
| 01:21.14 | dutchfish | Wyzard, i believe soe efforts have been made on that with 2.6.27.9 lateley special on kvm and xen |
| 01:21.32 | Wyzard | The whole machine hangs if I boot something in VMware while kvm-intel.ko is loaded |
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| 01:21.55 | dutchfish | Wyzard, yes, was a kernel bug |
| 01:22.06 | Wyzard | was? |
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| 01:22.12 | Wyzard | I haven't tried it in months; has it been fixed? |
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| 01:22.33 | dutchfish | Wyzard, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fstable%2Flinux-2.6.27.y.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=kvm |
| 01:22.34 | jawd | Anybody good at decrypting? What kind of encryption is that and how could I decrypt it? -> 15A8A6C6EBE2158A6E4C602C9764C7 (Decrypted, it should all be numbers (my son messed encrypting some files I sent him and I am screwed if I cant decrypt this :/)) |
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| 01:23.13 | sivel | hey guys...long time linux user first time installing Debian. During the install I am asked about "software selection". What types of packages are installed with "Standard System"? |
| 01:23.14 | dutchfish | Wyzard, quiet some effords have been made to fix and improve it |
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| 01:23.26 | zinx | jawd: not entirely sure that isn't a hash.. |
| 01:23.39 | Wyzard | It could be an MD5 hash but it's short one digit |
| 01:23.56 | dutchfish | Wyzard, ? |
| 01:23.57 | jawd | Should be 14 digits long if decrypted :S |
| 01:24.02 | Wyzard | jawd: That *is* all numbers -- hexadecimal numbers |
| 01:24.19 | zinx | jawd: what did he encrypt it with? |
| 01:24.42 | sivel | anyone? what types of packages are included with "Standard system" during install? |
| 01:24.43 | zinx | jawd: also, tell him he killed santa clause |
| 01:24.47 | jawd | He dont even know, how it happened to encrypt like that |
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| 01:24.48 | karsten | sivel: Not much. |
| 01:24.50 | jawd | :S |
| 01:24.51 | dutchfish | rofl |
| 01:24.56 | zinx | jawd: SUUuuuure he doesn't. |
| 01:25.08 | Wyzard | dutchfish: It's hard to tell from that list of kvm-related packages, whether the conflict with VMware has been fixed, but I'll give it another try sometime |
| 01:25.18 | Wyzard | jawd: What makes you think it's encrypted? |
| 01:25.21 | sivel | karsten: I guess I will just try with not selecting it and see what I get. |
| 01:25.36 | dutchfish | Wyzard, intermixing xen/kvm works now |
| 01:25.36 | karsten | sivel: There are a couple of different philosophies for Debian installs. One is to install a bare minimal system initially, then add the packages you want as you go. That's what I usually do. If you want a functioning desktop, go ahead and install one ... |
| 01:25.36 | jawd | Because I asked him to |
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| 01:25.46 | jawd | He used all kinds of encryption software etc |
| 01:26.00 | jawd | Prolly encrypted it several times |
| 01:26.08 | dutchfish | Wyzard, ok |
| 01:26.11 | karsten | sivel: ... of the desktop tasks -- gnome-dekstop, kde-desktop, or xfce-desktop. You'll get a much more full-functioning system from the get-go. |
| 01:26.16 | roe_ | I configured a raid at debian install time, so the partition table for all of the drives is empty. I need to add a drive back in to the array, but not sure how |
| 01:26.28 | sivel | karsten: I am installing this as a server. I usually use CentOS. Selecting no aditional packages from the install. So that it is bare minimum |
| 01:26.30 | karsten | sivel: The first method is more interesting as a teaching/learning method. |
| 01:26.33 | Wyzard | jawd: You're not making much sense, you know |
| 01:26.36 | karsten | sivel: Right. |
| 01:26.59 | jelly-home | jawd: is this just an exercise or is there some purpose hidden beneath this request? |
| 01:27.03 | karsten | sivel: Once you've completed the install, you can run aptitude interactively (just run 'aptitude' as root), and select the individual packages you want. |
| 01:27.09 | zinx | thinks he's trying to find someone's password, and doesn't want to admit it, and doesn't understand how hashes work :P |
| 01:27.19 | dutchfish | Wyzard, maybe also this: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.27.y.git;a=commit;h=feb374144807f9d83d48930c3bae32005441230f |
| 01:27.25 | jamon | zinx: or rainbow tables ;) |
| 01:27.26 | karsten | sivel: Eg: apache2, postfix|exim4, postgresql, openssh-server, or whatever else it is you want. |
| 01:27.43 | karsten | sivel: Minimal still fits in ~100 - 200 MB IIRC, so it's going to be pretty barren. |
| 01:27.48 | jawd | jelly-home, absolutely NOT :/ |
| 01:28.01 | karsten | sivel: But installing packages is bog simple, easy, and for most stuff, quite fast. |
| 01:28.05 | sivel | karsten: thanks...a bit more information than I was looking for. I have used Ubuntu before and am familiar with the debian way of installing packages. |
| 01:28.12 | sivel | but I appreciate your help |
| 01:28.14 | karsten | sivel: OK ;-) |
| 01:28.23 | Wyzard | dutchfish: hmm, VMI is something used in a paravirtualized guest running under VMware... shouldn't be related to the VMware/kvm conflict on the host |
| 01:28.28 | karsten | sivel: Happy to please. Running both ubuntu and debian ATM. |
| 01:28.34 | dutchfish | Wyzard, ok |
| 01:28.52 | jelly-home | jawd: uh, it wasn't a yes/no question |
| 01:28.53 | dutchfish | Wyzard, i am by no means good at vmware .... |
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| 01:29.02 | jamon | roe_: mdadm --help, then mdadm --manage or --assemble |
| 01:29.18 | Wyzard | jawd: Anyway, pasting a 31-byte string in an IRC channel and saying it's encrypted data is pretty much useless to anyone |
| 01:30.01 | Wyzard | jawd: and if it's really a 32-byte string and you accidentally missed a digit, it's most likely an MD5 hash value, and cannot be decrypted because it isn't encrypted |
| 01:30.14 | jelly-home | Wyzard: nowai!!!1 |
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| 01:31.56 | dutchfish | md5sum generates something like 2e0427564c95a02fc68d601104512ebd |
| 01:33.34 | jelly-home | doesn't want to help krime |
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| 01:36.06 | dutchfish | md5 is not that save |
| 01:36.54 | karsten | dutchfish: s/save/safe/ |
| 01:37.03 | dutchfish | karsten, yes, thanks |
| 01:37.05 | jelly-home | s,/me,, |
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| 01:37.26 | karsten | dutchfish: It's susceptible to collisions, yes. SHAsums are considered reliable AFAIK. |
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| 01:37.39 | roe_ | to add sdd to md0 is this correct: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdd |
| 01:37.43 | dutchfish | karsten, right |
| 01:37.49 | jelly-home | hands dutchfish some salt |
| 01:38.14 | dutchfish | accept gracefully |
| 01:38.18 | karsten | hands jelly-home a volume of Tales From the crypt(3) |
| 01:38.51 | lostson | tales from the crypt sweet |
| 01:39.03 | jelly-home | hides under the blanket |
| 01:39.04 | lostson | that show was awesome |
| 01:39.36 | dutchfish | likes the rocky horror picture show |
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| 01:40.22 | karsten | likes Bambi Meets Godzilla |
| 01:40.33 | jelly-home | "Bruce Schneier only smiles when he finds an unbreakable cryptosystem. Of course, Bruce Schneier never smiles." |
| 01:41.27 | dutchfish | jelly-home, he is still looking for the holy grail: a keyless encryption system |
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| 01:41.47 | nullboy | Bruce Schneier: You're doing it wrong. |
| 01:41.58 | dutchfish | oh? |
| 01:42.07 | nullboy | that's what he'd say |
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| 01:45.44 | opensrcguru | is thre a database of md5 sum's for debian binaries? |
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| 01:46.04 | opensrcguru | or sha1 sums? |
| 01:46.18 | dutchfish | hides in the bushes |
| 01:46.19 | epoxy | hey there.. if i am in a linux box (older wrap board, compact flash) how can i mount rw when i'm in ro? ....something equal to mount -u -o rw / in freebsd |
| 01:46.40 | jelly-home | epoxy: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 01:46.41 | cortef | which one should I have ? ps2 keyboard or usb ? will there be ps2 port in future motherboard ..? |
| 01:47.03 | amphi | cortef: probably not - there may be adapters though |
| 01:47.09 | jelly-home | epoxy: perhaps add -n to avoid writing to /etc/mtab |
| 01:47.34 | beardy | cortef: There's ps2->usb converters. |
| 01:47.35 | cortef | amphi, I should get usb keyboard then |
| 01:47.51 | beardy | cortef: Depends what you'll use the keyboard for right now. |
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| 01:48.28 | nullboy | http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bruce.png |
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| 01:48.44 | karsten | opensrcguru: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |
| 01:49.00 | karsten | opensrcguru: the debsums package will check those for you. |
| 01:49.00 | dutchfish | nullboy, :) |
| 01:49.01 | beardy | cortef: Older boxes without USB obviously can't use USB.. some boxes with USB with older bioses can't use it until you boot an os, but otherwise, most newer keyboards probably only come in USB versions. |
| 01:49.11 | jelly-home | Vs lbh nfxrq Oehpr Fpuarvre gb qrpelcg guvf, ur'q pehfu lbhe fxhyy jvgu uvf ynhtu. |
| 01:49.27 | karsten | epoxy: mount -o remount,rw <filesystem> |
| 01:49.28 | opensrcguru | well i'll be dipped in shit. |
| 01:49.31 | opensrcguru | thanks |
| 01:49.53 | karsten | hands opensrcguru a box of fresh wipes |
| 01:49.57 | epoxy | thanks a lot.. solved it |
| 01:50.00 | opensrcguru | score another one for the debian package team. |
| 01:50.05 | epoxy | makes a sticky |
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| 01:50.24 | karsten | opensrcguru: Debian packaging rocks *very* hard. |
| 01:50.39 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 01:50.40 | dpkg | i guess debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 01:50.40 | opensrcguru | karsten> opensrcguru: Debian packaging rocks *very* hard. |
| 01:50.41 | jelly-home | debian/rules |
| 01:50.44 | opensrcguru | arrgh |
| 01:50.51 | cortef | beardy, so ps2 most likely no longer supported in the future? I'm buying a deutsch keyboard from germany, it's expensive, so I want it to work for long with my future computer build too if I'm still alive |
| 01:50.53 | opensrcguru | the cold is getting to me. |
| 01:51.56 | karsten | cortef: I'd be really surprised if PS2 support dropped anytime in the next decade. |
| 01:52.03 | karsten | cortef: *Way* too much old kit out there. |
| 01:52.19 | beardy | cortef: Must be something more to it than german layout, if it's expensive? But anyway, as I said, there are ps2 to USB converters, so you'll be able to use it until USB disappears. But ps2 will stay very long too like karsten said. |
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| 01:52.22 | RichiH | is anyone aware of a script that will remove all doc/ contents except for manpages? |
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| 01:52.49 | beardy | cortef: So I'd consider if you are going to use it on something with only ps2, or not. |
| 01:53.09 | karsten | RichiH: mudebs sorta do that. There's also locale-purge which purges anything that's not in your native language (or specified language(s)). |
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| 01:53.13 | beardy | cortef: There's usb to ps2 converts to anyway so.. :) |
| 01:53.16 | karsten | RichiH: What's the goal? |
| 01:53.17 | beardy | too |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | karsten: freeing up drive space! |
| 01:53.29 | cortef | karsten, current dell computers already don't have ps2 port |
| 01:53.41 | RichiH | karsten: i will get a pandora (openpandora.org) and i need to save space |
| 01:53.55 | karsten | cortef: Server kit and some smaller specialized stuff does. |
| 01:53.56 | RichiH | embedian's approach to remove all docs is too strict formy liking |
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| 01:54.08 | swankier | hey channel. I have a sarge box that I need to get openswan on. |
| 01:54.09 | cortef | ooh |
| 01:54.15 | swankier | but an apt-cache search openswan shows nothing |
| 01:54.25 | abrotman | swankier: it was called something else then IIRC |
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| 01:54.31 | swankier | what's the best way to go about installing openswan on it? |
| 01:54.32 | karsten | RichiH: Well, you could run through /usr/share/doc/ and just nuke the stuff you don't like. I don't know of a standard way to do that. |
| 01:54.38 | cortef | karsten, just saying that dell desktop already dropped the ps2 support.. |
| 01:54.38 | swankier | or, how would I find what it is called? |
| 01:54.42 | abrotman | swankier: freeswan perhaps ? |
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| 01:54.51 | karsten | swankier: freeswan? |
| 01:55.00 | sivel | Is there any documentation about support lifetimes for debain versions? How long after it goes stable is it supported with updates? How long is etch supported to? |
| 01:55.02 | RichiH | karsten: that is the backup plan, yes |
| 01:55.03 | karsten | abrotman: Feh. Slow down for us old farts. |
| 01:55.03 | swankier | apt-cache search freeswan shows nothing |
| 01:55.06 | beardy | swankier: apt-cache search swan? |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | swankier: or .. get an OS that's supported |
| 01:55.20 | swankier | apt-cache search swan shows nothing |
| 01:55.22 | karsten | swankier: I find openswan ... |
| 01:55.24 | beardy | swankier: I suppose there's a reason to why you are running sarge. |
| 01:55.40 | swankier | yes, because I cannot migrate away from it until I'm able to setup a vpn on it |
| 01:55.40 | swankier | ;) |
| 01:55.43 | karsten | swankier: ... erm, on Ubuntu. |
| 01:56.06 | karsten | !tell swankier about p.d.o |
| 01:56.27 | cortef | thank you for the advices |
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| 01:56.38 | karsten | swankier: It's part of optional. Should be there. |
| 01:56.48 | swankier | "part of optional" |
| 01:56.52 | swankier | okay, thank you |
| 01:56.56 | swankier | I'll read into that |
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| 01:57.33 | swankier | but packages.debian.org is not going to have sarge packages, will it? |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 01:59.09 | swankier | and there's no apt-file for sarge? |
| 01:59.20 | swankier | is the problem that I'm point apt at a repository that doesn't exist anymore? |
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| 01:59.28 | swankier | where do I find active sarge repositories? |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | swankier: openvpn is in sarge |
| 01:59.37 | abrotman | !tell swankier about archive |
| 01:59.41 | abrotman | so is openswan |
| 02:00.10 | karsten | swankier: sarge may not have it. Not sure. That's pretty stale. |
| 02:00.22 | abrotman | sarge has openswan |
| 02:00.48 | swankier | deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 02:01.17 | swankier | this is where apt is pointed to now |
| 02:01.19 | swankier | where should it be? |
| 02:01.30 | dondelelcaro | swankier: archive.debian.org |
| 02:01.49 | dondelelcaro | (or anywhere else that has a mirror of archive.debian.org) |
| 02:02.25 | swankier | so, I would just put deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free in sources.list? |
| 02:02.43 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 02:02.51 | dondelelcaro | though, frankly, you should upgrade to etch and stop running sarge |
| 02:04.10 | swankier | that's what I'm trying to do |
| 02:04.23 | dondelelcaro | ok... so why do you need the sarge repositories? |
| 02:04.26 | swankier | I need to move data between two datacenters then release the old data center |
| 02:04.31 | swankier | and in order to do that, I need to setup a vpn |
| 02:04.37 | dondelelcaro | ah, ok |
| 02:04.38 | abrotman | to transfer files? |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | rsync over ssh ? |
| 02:04.51 | swankier | too many terabytes |
| 02:05.01 | dondelelcaro | it's not like openvpn is going to be any faster |
| 02:05.03 | swankier | I have to setup a cluster filesystem to be able to do it even remotely reasonably |
| 02:05.09 | abrotman | but the VPN is going to lower the amount of data ? |
| 02:05.18 | swankier | two private networks |
| 02:05.20 | swankier | no real ips |
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| 02:06.33 | swankier | how do I use archive? |
| 02:06.35 | swankier | there are no packages there |
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| 02:07.00 | lobo | hola |
| 02:08.16 | swankier | I take that back. |
| 02:08.19 | swankier | I was using a bad mirror. |
| 02:09.11 | lobo | como agrego irc-hispanic?? |
| 02:09.19 | lobo | tengo la direccion pero no se como agregarlo |
| 02:09.28 | lobo | libres.irc-hispano.org/6667 |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | lobo: /j #ubuntu |
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| 02:12.22 | chairman | hello guys |
| 02:12.38 | chairman | can i donline?ownload Debian |
| 02:12.58 | chairman | download debian online |
| 02:13.16 | dusted | yes, http://debian.org |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | chairman: we covered this the other night |
| 02:14.17 | chairman | i know i know but the last time i dowwnlaoded it w/o burning it to a CD |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | like debootstrap ? |
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| 02:18.26 | csc_ | i really need the help of a guru about networking. here is the situation: i have an host A, which runs host B virtually. B connects to a VPN. Now what happens is that, although B can get a nameserver from the VPN and can resolve names, I cannot open a simple web page of an http server inside the VPN (so no proxy required), while I can do it from A if i connect to the same VPN. Comparing the routing table of A and B, they are the same. do you have any ideas? i |
| 02:18.26 | csc_ | am stuck. if you need mre informations, let me know |
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| 02:23.34 | chairman | How do i get debootstrap? |
| 02:24.28 | Seb | if i'm not using gnome, how does firefox choose what font to use tfor its menus ? |
| 02:24.34 | Seb | s/tfor/for/ |
| 02:25.49 | Seb | or any gtk app, for that matter |
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| 02:31.08 | cafuego | default X font; gtk default font; defined app font; |
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| 02:45.17 | burdicda | Good evening....it is here anyway...Florida USA |
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| 02:48.24 | jhambo | Hey folks, when GRUB loads I hit "e" and then the second has "noacpi" in it. I've been editing this every time I boot. How can I permanently remove "noacpi" from the boot options? |
| 02:48.37 | jhambo | second line |
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| 02:49.41 | abrotman | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 02:50.15 | jhambo | abrotman: excellent. thanks! |
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| 02:51.48 | chairman | can i download it to a USB thumbdrive |
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| 02:55.27 | abrotman | !tell chairman about usb install |
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| 02:57.02 | burdicda | Anyone in here have any experience with picking out a useable headset/combo for skype under debian that works |
| 02:57.05 | chairman | i just asked a question . no need to cop an atitude |
| 02:57.28 | phlux | ? |
| 02:57.31 | dusted | chairman, did you pay anyone to help you? If not, don't expect help |
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| 02:57.44 | phlux | I don't see what was said |
| 02:57.53 | phlux | burdicda, what part of FL? |
| 02:57.57 | dusted | burdicda, every normal headphone/mic will work, it depends on your soundcard,not headset |
| 02:57.57 | kevind23 | I need to patch the source for an Xorg driver, but whenever I use a compiled version, X complains about it and some weird error. The packaged version from experimental works fine, but I can't patch the source... help? |
| 02:57.59 | burdicda | Melbourne |
| 02:58.10 | burdicda | about 22miles south of Kennedy Space Center |
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| 02:58.21 | phlux | ah |
| 02:58.27 | phlux | I'm in Clearwater (actually, Largo) |
| 02:58.32 | phlux | Stationed in Clearwater for the USCG. |
| 02:58.32 | burdicda | ahh cool |
| 02:58.35 | burdicda | nice place |
| 02:58.40 | phlux | You a Gators fan? |
| 02:58.45 | burdicda | I work for the Air Force civilian |
| 02:58.52 | burdicda | not into sports so much |
| 02:58.53 | phlux | Oh, cool |
| 02:58.55 | phlux | ah |
| 02:58.56 | kevind23 | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so: undefined symbol: PictureScreenPrivateIndex |
| 02:59.02 | chairman | was I talking to you?! |
| 02:59.04 | phlux | Good thing :P I'm a Bama fan surrounded by Gators here |
| 02:59.23 | dusted | chairman, yes you was, you was writing in a public channel, thus, talking to everyone in it |
| 02:59.25 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:59.25 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 03:00.18 | dusted | *were |
| 03:00.23 | burdicda | I'm looking to buy a headset combo either plantronics or logitech for linux skype under lenny any backgrounds good or bad in here |
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| 03:01.31 | burdicda | if not guess it's the hard way...go buy one of each lol |
| 03:02.03 | dusted | burdicda, a microphone is a alog device which converts soundwaves into electrical signals, these are converted using a AD converter in your soundcard, so it's your question of if your soundcard is supported in the linux kernel |
| 03:02.13 | dusted | *analog |
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| 03:02.38 | burdicda | oh yeah....I haven't hit any soundcards in a looooong time that didnt just default behave in modern linux's |
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| 03:02.49 | dusted | yep ) |
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| 03:03.01 | Yamakiri|Away | someone said type :(){ :|:& };: into my terminal, but I'm afrait to do it |
| 03:03.03 | Yamakiri|Away | what's it do? |
| 03:03.06 | burdicda | of course I don't just step off into those exotic crazy ones either |
| 03:03.18 | abrotman | Yamakiri|Away: don't do it |
| 03:03.23 | Penix | burdicda: if it's usb and follows normal standards/specs it *should* work with the usb-audio drive I'd assume |
| 03:03.31 | Penix | driver even |
| 03:03.47 | Guerin | Yamakiri|Away: google |
| 03:03.53 | magesing | Hi everyone, what do I need to add to my sources.lst http://rafb.net/p/C9mY4e40.html to be able to install xmonad through apt? Thanks |
| 03:03.58 | burdicda | yeah...I get the general feeling that the logitech's mic's are better.....but both will work |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | !tell magesing about sources.list |
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| 03:04.35 | burdicda | my gang over here is very excited to use skype under linux of course all we use here... |
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| 03:04.50 | Yamakiri|Away | abrotman: what's it do? |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | Yamakiri|Away: ask google |
| 03:05.08 | burdicda | If i want windows in my house I will buy a crowbar and knock some holes in the walls....hhehe |
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| 03:05.24 | Yamakiri|Away | ok |
| 03:05.28 | newsense | Yamakiri|Away, it does nothing |
| 03:05.33 | abrotman | newsense: don't lie |
| 03:05.49 | newsense | sorry :) |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 03:06.25 | Yamakiri|Away | abrotman: the results are irrelivant |
| 03:06.38 | Tramp | Yamakiri|Away: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ/059 -- I saw this command somewhere: :(){ :|:& } (fork bomb). How does it work? |
| 03:06.41 | Yamakiri|Away | like ampersand and howstuffworks... |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | Yamakiri|Away: it's not on topic here .. ask google |
| 03:06.50 | Yamakiri|Away | thanks Tramp |
| 03:06.55 | Yamakiri|Away | eep! |
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| 03:07.23 | burdicda | this place is too funny sometimes...but you can only let it stray so far.... |
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| 03:07.40 | hanif | no pppconfig in etch, dial up only, no outside access, which ppp files to edit for isp and pass info to get it up and on line? |
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| 03:07.52 | burdicda | nice size crowd here tonite.... |
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| 03:08.47 | burdicda | brb |
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| 03:09.57 | pab | Is there a repository for nomachine's nxserver etc? |
| 03:10.48 | abrotman | pab: ask #nx perhaps ? |
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| 03:12.21 | pab | abrotman, tried. Maybe if I replace the older debs on the work machine it will work |
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| 03:13.55 | hanif | modem driver installed, but no pppconfig in etch on dvd to setup connection, which files do I have to hand edit to get online? (isp and pass info)? |
| 03:14.40 | chomwitt_ | i have etch i386 in intel quad and i want to upgrade to lenny but in AMD64 (to be able to use the inter 64 cpu characteristics). Can i do that upgrade? is it a matter of kernel or all the application are compiled differently ? |
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| 03:16.35 | pivot_ | where is it set when debian performs resync-operations for software-RAID ? i would like to perfrom that manually once a week instead of the automated start - which occurs sometimes when the system is very busy, causing the machine to become very slow |
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| 03:25.57 | seeker | how do i determine my printers ip address when it is hanging on my xp box |
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| 03:28.13 | abrotman | it's the XP box IP |
| 03:29.09 | seeker | ok so if i set the location in cups to the xp box ip it should work |
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| 03:30.41 | doublehp | i am tired and lasy; any one can give me the iptables command to forward input port 81 to port 82 for an other IP ? |
| 03:31.02 | abrotman | #iptables ? |
| 03:31.19 | swankier | doublehp: depends on how you have your chains setup. |
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| 03:31.38 | swankier | doublehp: you're going to have to look it up, mate ;) |
| 03:31.47 | swankier | doublehp: to integrate it into your setup |
| 03:31.48 | doublehp | swankier: there is a one line magick answer ... --dport IIRC |
| 03:32.01 | doublehp | i have it ... but, i forgot where |
| 03:32.10 | abrotman | !tell doublehp about iptables |
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| 03:33.01 | tamayox | HI there |
| 03:33.17 | tamayox | I'm new to Debian and just installed it. |
| 03:33.26 | Guerin | tamayox: congratulations! |
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| 03:33.43 | tamayox | Thanx, but I'm having a problem: |
| 03:34.03 | tamayox | X isn't giving me any image |
| 03:34.14 | tamayox | my screen says it's out of range |
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| 03:34.26 | tamayox | anyone knows how do I fix that? |
| 03:35.21 | abrotman | your video card is? |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | and which veresion of debian? |
| 03:35.39 | tamayox | abortman: nvidia |
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| 03:35.52 | tamayox | I installed the Testing 5.0 |
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| 03:36.38 | abrotman | which nvidia ? |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | are you using the nv driver? vesa? nvidia ? |
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| 03:37.23 | tamayox | abrotman, sorry, I don't know. How can I figure that? |
| 03:37.31 | jhambo | so does goodbye-microsoft.com install etch? Is it possible to make it install lenny? |
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| 03:38.05 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:38.56 | doublehp | swankier: found where i had it: "$IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -d $EXTIP -p tcp --dport 22 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.22:22" . this works on any conf :) just correct IPs and fix $Names. |
| 03:39.29 | tamayox | abortman, nano? |
| 03:39.39 | tamayox | abrotman, nano? * |
| 03:39.43 | abrotman | you can use a pager like more/less/most |
| 03:40.49 | seeker | abrotman: put ip address of xp box in cups config and still nothing |
| 03:41.13 | tamayox | abrotman, how can I make lspci to show me only the graphic card information? |
| 03:41.20 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
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| 03:41.30 | seeker | googled problem last night and did not come up with much -- all define a network printer as on NOT hanging on another box |
| 03:41.44 | abrotman | seeker: i don't own a printer .. i was just telling you that if your printer is hooked to your XP box via usb,etc .. the IP is the IP of the XP box |
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| 03:41.51 | stoned | you don't own a printer!? |
| 03:42.09 | abrotman | not at home |
| 03:42.09 | stoned | but why? |
| 03:42.13 | abrotman | why print |
| 03:42.13 | tamayox | abrotman: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 |
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| 03:42.14 | stoned | what if you need to print something at home? |
| 03:42.17 | stoned | I dunno |
| 03:42.20 | stoned | what if you do? |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | i don't need to print things at home :) |
| 03:42.27 | amphi | has no printer |
| 03:42.31 | stoned | suppose something comes up? |
| 03:42.39 | abrotman | then what .. i still don't have a printer |
| 03:42.42 | stoned | then obviously you won't be able to print |
| 03:42.46 | stoned | well yeah |
| 03:42.47 | stoned | get one |
| 03:42.50 | stoned | its only like a 100 bucks |
| 03:42.54 | stoned | or cheaper even |
| 03:43.04 | amphi | ugh |
| 03:43.07 | stoned | get a small compact printer or something |
| 03:43.12 | stoned | i dunno just get a fuckign printer |
| 03:43.13 | abrotman | but every time i'd need to print .. the ink would be dry .. and i'd have to go spend $30 on a damn ink cartridge |
| 03:43.21 | stoned | o yeah |
| 03:43.30 | stoned | get a personal bw laser printer? |
| 03:43.31 | abrotman | haven't had a printer since college, hasn't bothered me yet |
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| 03:44.02 | stoned | then you gotta worrya bout black burned powder on your printed copy |
| 03:44.04 | stoned | on a cheap laser |
| 03:44.08 | LoveGuru | Hello, Whenever i try to restart something i got error, i don't know where i have to made something wrong. Could Someone help. " http://pastebin.com/d32c50ba5 " |
| 03:44.11 | abrotman | tamayox: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:44.29 | abrotman | tamayox: though i'd think that the 'nv' driver shouhld make it work |
| 03:44.41 | stoned | LoveGuru, c'mon man |
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| 03:44.48 | stoned | LoveGuru, you seriously can't figure that one out? |
| 03:45.00 | tamayox | abrotman, should I type the whole /msg thing via command-line? |
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| 03:45.12 | LoveGuru | stoned: well i check the 3rd line and detele it.. but still error there |
| 03:45.13 | abrotman | tamayox: it's an IRC command |
| 03:45.21 | abrotman | !tell tamayox about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:45.24 | LoveGuru | stoned: well im new .. not so smart like you :p |
| 03:45.31 | stoned | im not smart! |
| 03:45.40 | LoveGuru | alright *geek ? |
| 03:45.41 | rhineheart_m | hello.Is anybody here knows how to change the username in case it was mistyped during putty login? |
| 03:45.41 | LoveGuru | hehe |
| 03:45.53 | tamayox | abrotman, oh... the thing is... I'm not on my computer |
| 03:45.57 | stoned | rhineheart_m, restart putty session |
| 03:46.01 | stoned | rhineheart_m, unfortunately |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | tamayox: ah ok .. |
| 03:46.11 | rhineheart_m | stoned, ows...ah okay :( |
| 03:46.16 | abrotman | tamayox: did you get an error from the Xorg.0.log ? |
| 03:46.28 | LoveGuru | stoned: would you please point me what i have to do to fix that thingy Please? |
| 03:46.30 | tamayox | abrotman, I had to borrow one so I can get in this IRC and ask for help |
| 03:46.30 | stoned | LoveGuru, hmm so you removed the alias in there |
| 03:46.40 | LoveGuru | yeah i removed it |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | tamayox: they make CLI IRC clients |
| 03:46.57 | rhineheart_m | stoned, I thought there's a short key to do it.. that's one of the features putty should have.. :) |
| 03:47.21 | stoned | LoveGuru, check your virtual host settings for an alias |
| 03:47.34 | stoned | check your default in sites-available for any alias |
| 03:47.36 | LoveGuru | stoned: after that i got http://pastebin.com/d33b04504 |
| 03:47.56 | rhineheart_m | LoveGuru, meyers? :) |
| 03:48.00 | LoveGuru | i Remove that line from apache2.conf then error become little short |
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| 03:48.06 | LoveGuru | rhineheart_m ? |
| 03:48.06 | stoned | rhineheart_m, I only use putty on windows xp and i fyou mistype a login name, you have to restart putty |
| 03:48.15 | stoned | in linux i dunno but its the same source unmodified im guessing |
| 03:48.17 | tamayox | abrotman, well, the Xorg.0.log has a lot of things, what should I be looking for? |
| 03:48.22 | stoned | LoveGuru, I just use bash/ssh |
| 03:48.40 | swankier | anyone have a configuration example for openswan 2.2.0 (from sarge?) |
| 03:48.44 | abrotman | tamayox: an error near thebottom |
| 03:48.50 | LoveGuru | stoned: well im using bash |
| 03:48.51 | swankier | it's dramatically different from the etch config. |
| 03:48.53 | stoned | swankier, maybe /usr/share/doc may have one |
| 03:48.53 | stoned | ? |
| 03:49.07 | Guerin | swankier: /usr/share/doc/openswan should have an examples/ dir |
| 03:49.12 | stoned | LoveGuru, so just type ssh user@host |
| 03:49.14 | swankier | cheers. |
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| 03:49.25 | Guerin | !beer stoned |
| 03:49.26 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Guinness for stoned |
| 03:49.33 | stoned | joint instead man |
| 03:49.36 | stoned | you know I'm not a drinker! |
| 03:49.39 | Guerin | either way |
| 03:49.40 | stoned | but thanks! you da man |
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| 03:49.48 | Guerin | hmm, maybe I'll make happy pizza tonight |
| 03:49.52 | stoned | hahahaha |
| 03:49.55 | stoned | happy pizza |
| 03:50.23 | stoned | LoveGuru, man ssh |
| 03:50.31 | stoned | LoveGuru, you don't need putty to use ssh :) |
| 03:50.51 | LoveGuru | stoned: well im talking about error :S |
| 03:50.59 | stoned | LoveGuru, its not an error |
| 03:51.17 | tamayox | abrotman, I honestly don't see any error or warning on the file |
| 03:51.36 | LoveGuru | stoned: it is.. i think.. |
| 03:51.42 | LoveGuru | whenever i restart or start any service |
| 03:51.42 | stoned | ok then it is |
| 03:51.43 | abrotman | tamayox: does X error out? or just go out of range ? |
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| 03:51.44 | LoveGuru | i got that error |
| 03:51.52 | stoned | LoveGuru, what service |
| 03:52.00 | tamayox | abrotman, just goes out of range |
| 03:52.09 | LoveGuru | stoned: well trying to restart apache for eg. |
| 03:52.40 | abrotman | tamayox: in the log it will say what it is trying to do |
| 03:52.41 | LoveGuru | http://pastebin.com/d33b04504 |
| 03:52.41 | LoveGuru | got this |
| 03:52.41 | abrotman | LoveGuru: what's in /etc/hosts ? |
| 03:52.41 | toneblaze | Hu |
| 03:52.41 | LoveGuru | abrotman: there is 2 hosts |
| 03:52.45 | abrotman | paste |
| 03:52.48 | stoned | ?bin |
| 03:52.54 | LoveGuru | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 03:52.54 | LoveGuru | 127.0.1.1 hades |
| 03:53.05 | abrotman | LoveGuru: and that's why it doesn't work |
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| 03:53.16 | LoveGuru | abrotman: so just remove that hades line? |
| 03:53.17 | LoveGuru | from there |
| 03:53.18 | LoveGuru | ? |
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| 03:53.21 | stoned | fix the ip |
| 03:53.23 | stoned | doh |
| 03:53.24 | abrotman | no .. add the line for your FQDN |
| 03:53.47 | LoveGuru | fQDN ? |
| 03:54.03 | stoned | !fqdn |
| 03:54.03 | dpkg | from memory, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 03:54.26 | tamayox | abrotman, Ok, I think I got something |
| 03:54.58 | tamayox | abrotman, (WW) Unable to estimate virtual size |
| 03:55.14 | stoned | you have a vewport setting sin xorg.cong? |
| 03:55.17 | stoned | fuck my keyworab |
| 03:55.19 | stoned | i give up! |
| 03:55.31 | LoveGuru | ehh :< calm down man :) |
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| 03:55.58 | tamayox | abrotman, after it looks like it's trying to find a resolution |
| 03:56.04 | LoveGuru | stoned: what i have to set there, be more specific pleae, as i said i m new |
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| 03:56.25 | stoned | alright read the error message again clarefully and come back to me |
| 03:56.32 | abrotman | LoveGuru: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=apache2+ServerName&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f |
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| 03:57.04 | tamayox | abrotman, appear simliar lines like "(--) *Built-in mode "1600x1200" |
| 03:57.05 | stoned | or yeh, just googly moogly |
| 03:57.16 | LoveGuru | hehe |
| 03:57.19 | LoveGuru | thankx abrotman |
| 03:57.26 | abrotman | tamayox: you may have to specify all your modes manually in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 03:57.57 | tamayox | abrotman,, could you give me an example? |
| 03:58.08 | stoned | tamayox, google for example xorg.conf |
| 03:58.12 | abrotman | tamayox: the man page for xorg.conf should have some samples |
| 03:58.51 | jhambo | How can I get virtualbox guest additions installed on lenny?? |
| 03:58.58 | toneblaze | yo |
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| 04:00.38 | Mxldr | who is abrotman? He is always in here... The channel. He was spent years in irc. |
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| 04:01.20 | Mxldr | abrotman? How do you be here in this chan? |
| 04:01.36 | stoned | Mxldr, go to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:01.45 | stoned | Mxldr, you can discuss this with him there |
| 04:02.08 | stoned | !debstats |
| 04:02.08 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
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| 04:02.31 | stoned | ahhhh no way |
| 04:02.33 | stoned | enough on top!? |
| 04:03.09 | Mxldr | but abrotman does not hang out in offtopic. Also, he is an integral part of debian. He answered my questions for hella years. |
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| 04:03.28 | jhambo | There does not appear to be any source for virtualbox-ose-guest-utils in lenny. I'm running a 2.6.27 kernel. How should I go about getting the guest utils installed? |
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| 04:04.18 | LoveGuru | damn.. works fine :< |
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| 04:04.37 | LoveGuru | i just have to add "ServerName Whateverservernameis" in apache conf |
| 04:04.38 | LoveGuru | :< |
| 04:05.10 | LoveGuru | thankyou so much abrotman And stoned u too:) |
| 04:05.16 | tamayox | abrotman, OK pal |
| 04:05.25 | stoned | abrotman isn't here anymore |
| 04:05.28 | tamayox | abrotman, thanks a lot |
| 04:05.36 | LoveGuru | hah :/ well thankyou then stoned :) |
| 04:05.45 | stoned | yup |
| 04:05.58 | tamayox | abrotman, I'm reading some information and I hope to fix it |
| 04:06.10 | tamayox | abrotman, thanx again. See you |
| 04:06.10 | stoned | tamayox, he isn't here any more! |
| 04:06.15 | mhymn_ | *tard* |
| 04:06.20 | LoveGuru | stoned: well dont mind can i ask something :\ well not funny related with conf. |
| 04:06.27 | stoned | mhymn_, no need to name call |
| 04:06.38 | stoned | LoveGuru, ask. |
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| 04:07.35 | LoveGuru | stoned: well i installed sambe now when i try to access from my windows \\machinename its asking about id/pass i put my box id/pass but still gave me error after reading i got that i have to add smbpasswd for user i did but still i got the same error " Password incorrect " |
| 04:07.48 | LoveGuru | *samba sorry |
| 04:08.09 | stoned | use the correct info |
| 04:08.24 | LoveGuru | what do you mean with correct info ? |
| 04:08.27 | stoned | smbpasswd -a (your linux user that actually exists here) |
| 04:08.36 | LoveGuru | stoned: yep |
| 04:08.37 | stoned | then restart samba |
| 04:08.44 | LoveGuru | yea |
| 04:08.46 | stoned | do /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 04:08.55 | stoned | then aptitude install smbclient |
| 04:08.59 | LoveGuru | well sorry i don't mention my exact command but i used same what u said |
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| 04:09.04 | stoned | then type as user, smbclient -L localhost |
| 04:09.11 | stoned | tell me what happens |
| 04:09.15 | LoveGuru | okie wiat |
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| 04:10.40 | stoned | smbpasswd -a username; /etc/init.d/samba restart; apt-get install smbclient; (now as user) smbclient -L localhost |
| 04:10.44 | stoned | LoveGuru, ^^ |
| 04:10.59 | LoveGuru | alright bro thanks.. yea installing client |
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| 04:11.35 | LoveGuru | shoot.. works fine at same box. |
| 04:11.44 | LoveGuru | when i try to access my samba from outside i can't |
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| 04:12.06 | stoned | if it shows a password box its not a firewall issue |
| 04:12.13 | stoned | did you try now? |
| 04:12.22 | stoned | go to windows and access yoru box |
| 04:12.26 | LoveGuru | stoned: yes i tried just now |
| 04:12.33 | LoveGuru | stoned: i can't |
| 04:12.36 | LoveGuru | it asking id/pass |
| 04:12.49 | LoveGuru | i put my same id/pass but same error that password incorrect |
| 04:12.57 | stoned | you have share level security or user level? |
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| 04:13.12 | stoned | check smb.conf |
| 04:14.23 | LoveGuru | in " Authentication " tab " security = user |
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| 04:18.33 | stoned | uh dude |
| 04:18.36 | stoned | my mom just called me |
| 04:18.38 | stoned | :( |
| 04:18.43 | LoveGuru | ahh |
| 04:18.44 | stoned | I gotta go get chewed out |
| 04:18.45 | LoveGuru | nevamind bro :) |
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| 04:18.51 | stoned | wish me luck |
| 04:18.51 | LoveGuru | thanks for all help |
| 04:18.51 | LoveGuru | :) |
| 04:18.52 | LoveGuru | cya |
| 04:18.52 | Guerin | stoned: been a long time coming |
| 04:18.56 | LoveGuru | Best 0f luck dudy :) |
| 04:18.58 | n8r0x | i need to install Xi... but i can't find it. |
| 04:19.03 | LoveGuru | Wc Guerin :) |
| 04:19.05 | stoned | Guerin, stfu |
| 04:19.06 | stoned | :) |
| 04:19.12 | LoveGuru | hehe |
| 04:19.13 | n8r0x | where would i locate said icks eee? |
| 04:19.17 | Guerin | stoned: :) |
| 04:19.41 | stoned | shes talking to me about moving back down south |
| 04:19.42 | Guerin | n8r0x: /msg dpkg search? |
| 04:19.52 | stoned | I'm like trying tot ell her i don't like new york'heh |
| 04:20.07 | n8r0x | yes Guerin. have you *ever* tried searching for Xi what apt-cache search? |
| 04:20.20 | Guerin | n8r0x: that's not your only option |
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| 04:21.09 | LoveGuru | shoot : this is my smb.conf i dont know whats the problem i can't access my samba share from my windows box |
| 04:21.11 | LoveGuru | http://pastebin.com/d28fa3a88 |
| 04:21.20 | n8r0x | dpkg knows not what it is. |
| 04:21.21 | dpkg | wish i knew, n8r0x |
| 04:22.04 | n8r0x | <dpkg> I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:22.10 | n8r0x | really? i mean... c'mon! |
| 04:23.04 | mhymn_ | what's xi btw? |
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| 04:24.27 | n8r0x | no se |
| 04:24.34 | n8r0x | it's a .dev pkg. |
| 04:25.46 | mhymn_ | n8r0x: 'libxi-dev' ? |
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| 04:26.12 | n8r0x | ah. it's already there. |
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| 04:29.14 | giacomo | hello |
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| 04:31.12 | stoned | oh man |
| 04:31.17 | stoned | I took a severe beating |
| 04:31.56 | stoned | I accidentally said something to my mom in a loud irritated voice... dude.. |
| 04:32.08 | n8r0x | 'beating'? how old are you? |
| 04:32.10 | n8r0x | 10? |
| 04:32.13 | stoned | that sucked. anyway im still shakin in my boots |
| 04:32.18 | stoned | 27 |
| 04:32.26 | n8r0x | and your mummy beat you up? |
| 04:32.32 | stoned | over the phone yes |
| 04:32.50 | n8r0x | you wimp! you should have hung up. |
| 04:32.58 | n8r0x | 'woops' |
| 04:32.58 | stoned | are you crazy! |
| 04:33.13 | n8r0x | bad connection mummy. woops. not working el telephone. |
| 04:33.15 | n8r0x | woops. |
| 04:33.17 | n8r0x | dead again. |
| 04:33.21 | stoned | yeh well maybe she can be fooled, but I'll know the truth |
| 04:33.24 | stoned | thats horrible |
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| 04:33.28 | n8r0x | aww. |
| 04:33.29 | stoned | I can't lie to my mom you jackass |
| 04:33.37 | LoveGuru | stoned: Welcome Back |
| 04:33.39 | stoned | and shutup |
| 04:33.44 | n8r0x | me yackass? you got yelled at, not me! |
| 04:33.46 | stoned | LoveGuru, so where were we with your problem |
| 04:33.54 | LoveGuru | well stone |
| 04:34.06 | n8r0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.14 | LoveGuru | this is my smb.conf could you please check " http://pastebin.com/d28fa3a88 " |
| 04:34.22 | stoned | sec |
| 04:34.30 | LoveGuru | alright :) |
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| 04:35.45 | stoned | # |
| 04:35.46 | stoned | guest only = yes |
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| 04:35.49 | stoned | ? |
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| 04:36.23 | LoveGuru | stoned: i dont know whats that :S |
| 04:36.32 | LoveGuru | ohhh |
| 04:36.40 | LoveGuru | that one is for my phpaccount |
| 04:37.38 | LoveGuru | stoned: its is cause? |
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| 04:38.45 | stoned | I'm not sure, ask #samba |
| 04:39.23 | LoveGuru | alright |
| 04:40.22 | stoned | take those out and try again |
| 04:40.40 | stoned | to me that indicates that this share is for guest only |
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| 04:40.57 | stoned | and you're using user level security |
| 04:40.58 | LoveGuru | umm na already tried :p |
| 04:41.01 | stoned | so I'm not sure that tht does |
| 04:41.14 | stoned | there is little more I can do to help you |
| 04:41.55 | LoveGuru | well how can i set share level security? just disable user level? |
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| 04:42.11 | LoveGuru | stoned: sure all help appriciate |
| 04:43.52 | stoned | LoveGuru, go to windows, telnet to ip of you linux machine and use port 139 |
| 04:45.18 | LoveGuru | stoned: i think i have to open port 139 first |
| 04:45.43 | stoned | LoveGuru, also after you auth, take a look at smbd.log and nmbd.log and look for somet clues as to why the auth is failing |
| 04:46.01 | LoveGuru | okie hold a sec let me open that port |
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| 04:47.11 | stoned | the ports not even open? |
| 04:47.20 | LoveGuru | stoned: in that log file alot errors. |
| 04:47.36 | stoned | im gonna go get some food |
| 04:47.41 | stoned | I'm hungry, I wonder why |
| 04:47.48 | LoveGuru | alright. let me open port |
| 04:48.04 | LoveGuru | [2008/12/18 16:16:32, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_connect(68) |
| 04:48.04 | LoveGuru | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:48.29 | LoveGuru | almost all lines like that there |
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| 04:51.57 | rage | Is the MPL (Mozilla Public License) DFSG compatible? |
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| 04:52.29 | rage | Google gives me mixed results, http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses seems to say yes |
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| 04:52.54 | rage | However http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-legal@lists.debian.org/msg24956.html seems to indicate no |
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| 05:06.50 | TurboBee | . |
| 05:07.16 | jetx | woohoo irc on my pda ! |
| 05:07.52 | jetscreamer | i rock |
| 05:08.01 | d-b | jetscreamer: ... |
| 05:08.17 | Penix | i sand |
| 05:08.35 | jetx | ? |
| 05:09.18 | jetx | !penixstrike penix |
| 05:09.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 05:10.36 | giacomo | hello! |
| 05:10.49 | giacomo | is it possible to read the init output in any logfile? |
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| 05:11.41 | jetscreamer | dmesg |
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| 05:11.59 | jetscreamer | and you can enable the bootlog also iirc |
| 05:11.59 | giacomo | no, that prints the kernel messages, not init messages |
| 05:12.08 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 05:19.26 | grendelson | Debian testing: WHen I run vim I get an error that syntax cannot be found in /usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/syntax but I am running vim 71 and have hte smae location a 71 dir with syntax... I cannot figure out why VIM is stillusing the wrong share path to find the files.... |
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| 05:20.50 | superjet_busy | grendelson: update-alternatives |
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| 05:22.31 | grendelson | superjet_busy, Interesting - it shows 2 alternatives - vim.basic and vim.gnome and the 2nd is selected... |
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| 05:23.42 | superjet_busy | grendelson: dpkg -l | grep vim to check your installation |
| 05:24.26 | grendelson | superjet_busy, Yes I definetly have an issue : -) Whivh vim points to /usr/bin/vim which is ln to /etc/alternatives/vim.... |
| 05:24.28 | grendelson | odd |
| 05:25.23 | superjet_busy | grendelson: yes, it's always like that to using alternatives |
| 05:25.34 | grendelson | Now I have only 1 version of VIM installed - 7.1.314-3+lenny2 |
| 05:26.20 | grendelson | superjet_busy, bim, vim common, vim-gnome etc all are same version |
| 05:26.45 | grendelson | and update-alternatives shows vim-gnome as selected. |
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| 05:27.15 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: yes, that's perfectly normal |
| 05:27.54 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: /usr/bin/vim is provided by the alternatives system, and vim itself provides vim.basic |
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| 05:28.40 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, right the install seems fine - but still the like 'syntax on' in my vimrc is throwing the error about not finding the syntax file in the vim70 path of /usr/share/vim/vim70 but the syntax file IS in /usr/share/vim/vim71! |
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| 05:28.46 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: if you're not sure whether you're actually running vim.gnome; run vim.gnome |
| 05:29.21 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, Yes vim.gnome is selected for both vi and vim alternatives... |
| 05:29.33 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: and you can also run readlink -f /usr/bin/vim; to verify |
| 05:29.55 | grendelson | I'm jsut wondering where the error is coming from everytime I start...(why is it looking for syntax in /vim70 when I have vim71 installed?) |
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| 05:31.07 | maquis | hi, i seem to have badly messed up my debian box a while ago, and nothing i've tried seems to work (not finding much helpful from dr google, either). |
| 05:31.28 | maquis | every time i try to use apt or aptitude for anything, I get errors trying to process mercurial |
| 05:31.30 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: and what does vim --version; output? |
| 05:31.35 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: you can also check vim -V; |
| 05:31.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell maquis -about bat |
| 05:31.58 | grendelson | VIM - Vi IMproved 7.1 (2007 May 12, compiled Oct 17 2008 18:06:50) |
| 05:32.00 | dondelelcaro | maquis: follow the instructions from dpkg for starters |
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| 05:32.40 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: do you have VIM set? is your /etc/vim/vimrc odd? |
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| 05:33.07 | maquis | dondelelcaro: instructions from dpkg? sorry, i'm still not super experienced with debian, but are you saying to try using dpkg to install mercurial again? |
| 05:33.17 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, Aha - when I ran vim -V I see it is searching in /usr/share/vim/vim70 all the time.... |
| 05:33.17 | maquis | er |
| 05:33.18 | maquis | never mind |
| 05:33.20 | maquis | i'm an idio |
| 05:33.21 | maquis | t |
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| 05:33.48 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: ok, so most likely you've either got VIM set oddly, or possibly something strange in your vimrc |
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| 05:33.58 | xoz_ | grendelson: type: which vim to know the path of vim |
| 05:34.20 | xoz_ | grendelson: easiest... purge vim and reinstall |
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| 05:34.53 | dondelelcaro | (I of course assume that you're running vim, not vi) |
| 05:35.11 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, Yes |
| 05:35.43 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: yeah, so I'd check what the env variable VIM, your /etc/vim/vimrc and/or /etc/vim/vimrc.local, and your ~/.vimrc have in it |
| 05:35.59 | dondelelcaro | (I personally don't use vim-gnome, but vim.basic has the right search paths set) |
| 05:36.05 | grendelson | could not source "$VIM/vimrc" |
| 05:36.05 | grendelson | sourcing "$HOME/.vimrc" |
| 05:36.16 | grendelson | tehn immediately the erro about vim70 |
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| 05:36.23 | grendelson | line 70: could not source "/usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/syntax.vim" |
| 05:36.43 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: ok; it shouldn't ever fail to source VIM/vimrc |
| 05:37.01 | grendelson | there is no $VIM set |
| 05:37.12 | grendelson | echo $VIM |
| 05:37.14 | grendelson | nothing |
| 05:37.23 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: it defaults to /usr/share/vim, and /usr/share/vim/vimrc is /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 05:37.39 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: and you should have a /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 05:38.08 | grendelson | I do and it's there... |
| 05:38.38 | grendelson | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2008-11-04 19:41 /usr/share/vim/vimrc -> /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 05:38.58 | grendelson | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2276 2008-10-17 13:02 /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 05:39.50 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: ok, and do you get the same error if you run /usr/bin/vim.basic -V; ? |
| 05:39.54 | grendelson | and debian.vim is persent as well.... |
| 05:40.08 | grendelson | runtime! debian.vim |
| 05:40.27 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: yeah; could not source "$VIM/vimrc" <-- this bit shouldn't be failing |
| 05:40.49 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: you can also strace vim -V; that may also be informative |
| 05:41.25 | grendelson | could not source "$VIM/vimrc" |
| 05:41.25 | grendelson | could not source "$HOME/.vimrc" |
| 05:41.26 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: specifically, strace -eopen vim -V; you should see something like open("/usr/share/vim/vimrc", O_RDONLY) = 5 |
| 05:41.46 | grendelson | tha above was from vim.basic |
| 05:42.22 | maquis | apt-sources: http://paste.debian.net/24020/ problems while installing something other than mercurial: http://paste.debian.net/24021/ problems while trying to update mercurial: http://paste.debian.net/24022/ commands run for the latter 2 are included as a comment to the paste |
| 05:42.45 | maquis | sorry for not providing that information at the beginning. |
| 05:43.03 | dondelelcaro | maquis: no worries; we don't expect you to necessarily know what to do |
| 05:43.50 | maquis | thx |
| 05:43.57 | dondelelcaro | maquis: can you run aptitude reinstall python-seplgen; ? |
| 05:44.02 | grendelson | open("/usr/share/vim/vim70/vimrc", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 05:44.16 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 05:44.53 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, First it tries to go to a lot of /usr/lib/ then when it tried to go to /usr/share/vim/vim70/vimrc it fails ( ther s is a /vim70 but it doesnt't ahve everything in it.... |
| 05:45.09 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: hrm... there shouldn't even be a vim70 |
| 05:45.21 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: run dpkg -S vim70; and see what you've got installed |
| 05:45.30 | grendelson | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2008-08-31 20:12 vimcurrent -> vim71 |
| 05:45.38 | grendelson | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 96 2008-08-31 20:12 vim70 |
| 05:45.40 | grendelson | OK |
| 05:46.05 | dondelelcaro | well, unless you've got some vim plugins or something; I'm not a vim expert, though |
| 05:47.03 | maquis | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/24025/ |
| 05:47.29 | dondelelcaro | maquis: sorry; it should have been python-sepolgen |
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| 05:49.11 | maquis | dondelelcaro: same errors at the end when running 'sudo aptitude reinstall python-sepolgen 2>&1 | tee ~/reinstalling.txt'. just has the error twice. you want me to re-paste? |
| 05:50.33 | maquis | dondelelcaro: pasted at http://paste.debian.net/24026/ since adding it as a comment didn't work |
| 05:50.45 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, When I ran that 'dpkg -S vim70' I got back a lot of vim 71 lines but also a lot of sametime-connect-linux lines |
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| 05:52.07 | grendelson | trying to paste now |
| 05:52.44 | grendelson | http://paste.debian.net/24027/ Output from dpkg -S vim71 (see all the non vim lines?) |
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| 05:56.24 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, OOPs too many spaces in my command! |
| 05:57.24 | grendelson | http://paste.debian.net/24028/ That;s a littel more like it.... |
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| 06:06.22 | mns | What is a decent/good, light weight, content management system that I could use for basic blogging ? Mostly family members will be using it ? |
| 06:07.13 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, I found it ! |
| 06:07.16 | grendelson | It was ME! |
| 06:07.17 | dondelelcaro | maquis: ok, you'll have to download the python-seplgen package manually and install it, and then probably do the same for mercurial-common |
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| 06:07.33 | grendelson | I had been using VIM and trying experiments and fancy vimrc file... |
| 06:07.49 | maquis | dondelelcaro: ok... i think that apt has already downloaded them, so i'll see if i can get that with dpkg.. (someone on another channel just suggested that) |
| 06:07.51 | grendelson | I set a VIMRUNTIME in /etc/profile ( I searched set for vim and found it) |
| 06:07.55 | grendelson | DOH! |
| 06:07.58 | maquis | dondelelcaro: thx... let me try that |
| 06:08.17 | dondelelcaro | maquis: yeah, they'll be in /var/cache/apt/archives; |
| 06:08.25 | maquis | thx |
| 06:08.32 | dondelelcaro | maquis: but run apt-cache policy python-seplgen; first to make sure you know which to install |
| 06:09.46 | maquis | dondelelcaro: do i want the candidate or the installed |
| 06:09.47 | maquis | ? |
| 06:10.52 | dondelelcaro | maquis: the installed |
| 06:11.15 | maquis | hmmm.. |
| 06:11.19 | dondelelcaro | maquis: just dpkg -i /path/to/python-sepolgen_blahblah.deb; assuming you've got it |
| 06:11.25 | dondelelcaro | maquis: if not, you can install the candidate version |
| 06:11.25 | maquis | yeah... tried that |
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| 06:11.29 | maquis | still erroring |
| 06:11.43 | maquis | let me paste real quick |
| 06:11.46 | dondelelcaro | maquis: it'll may still error, but at least it'll reinstall the python-sepolgen package |
| 06:12.07 | wt | Is there a way to do the equivalent of "apt-cache search <word1> <word2>" with aptitude's search functionality? |
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| 06:12.34 | maquis | dondelelcaro: i'm ont convinced it worked... http://paste.debian.net/24029/ |
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| 06:13.03 | dongs | uh |
| 06:13.09 | dongs | is there a syntax-highlighing VIM |
| 06:13.12 | dongs | that doesnt require GNOME LOL |
| 06:13.16 | dongs | this is ridiculous. |
| 06:13.22 | maquis | dondelelcaro: and it still gives the same error if i try again |
| 06:13.57 | maquis | is this __init__.py something i could get from someone else's python-sepolgen and just copy into that dir? |
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| 06:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dongs, edit /etc/vim/vimrc "syntax on" |
| 06:16.21 | dongs | uh i dont think thats the problem |
| 06:16.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's got nothing to do whatsoever with gnome |
| 06:16.29 | dongs | i cant do syntax on from that version |
| 06:16.36 | dongs | CutMeOwnThroat: uh YES IT DOES |
| 06:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't touch gnome with a 12 foot laserpointer, and I have syntax highlighting |
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| 06:17.06 | dongs | http://rafb.net/p/wXAMcQ80.html |
| 06:17.07 | dongs | that is gnome. |
| 06:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | so NO IT DOESNT - however much you shout |
| 06:17.15 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.16 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.16 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.17 | dongs | etc. |
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| 06:17.24 | dongs | fucking gay trash. |
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| 06:17.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wb |
| 06:17.34 | dongs | all those are filthy gnome libs. |
| 06:17.40 | grendelson | In Vim do ':syntax on' and if you have syntax file in correct location it shoudl work ( as long as the file is named correclty or has certain feature (first line #!/usr/binperl) for example |
| 06:17.44 | dondelelcaro | dongs: just because something links against parts of gnome doesn't make it gnome |
| 06:17.46 | maquis | CutMeOwnThroat: i also have syntax-highlighting on boxes that don't even have X |
| 06:17.53 | dongs | E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version |
| 06:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | maquis, tell dongs |
| 06:18.08 | dongs | dondelelcaro: what the nigger dicks are you talking about, its asking me to install 100megs of GNOME LIBS. |
| 06:18.08 | maquis | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry... got the wrong person |
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| 06:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 06:19.15 | dondelelcaro | maquis: ok, as root run update-python-modules -c -i /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen; you should get the same error. |
| 06:19.41 | maquis | yup |
| 06:19.48 | grendelson | wow |
| 06:19.51 | maquis | so, would copying that file from another box help? |
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| 06:20.13 | LoveGuru | Hi, Is there anyone intrested to help, i can't login my samba box from my windows box ." http://pastebin.com/d28fa3a88 " i almost try what i can do .. but i can't really solve it :< please someone can help |
| 06:20.27 | dondelelcaro | maquis: cool; so rm -rf /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/python-sepolgen; and try rerunning that command |
| 06:20.32 | grendelson | Ok on that note - time for bed :-) Thanks dondelelcaro for letting me bounce that vim error off you - glad I finally found the change I made probably a year ago :-P |
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| 06:20.49 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: no worries; good that you found it |
| 06:21.10 | maquis | dondelelcaro: that didn't error! |
| 06:21.21 | maquis | dondelelcaro: so, now should I reinstall it? |
| 06:21.25 | dondelelcaro | maquis: yeah |
| 06:21.30 | maquis | k |
| 06:21.49 | maquis | dondelelcaro: no errors! |
| 06:21.50 | dondelelcaro | maquis: then reinstall mercurial-common; or whatever it was that was originally erroring out |
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| 06:22.40 | maquis | dondelelcaro: cool... any idea what can cause this kind of problem? |
| 06:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually my vim only depends on a few things that don't look to me as if they would pull a lot of gnome libs in, so I start wondering wtf he was talking about |
| 06:22.59 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: he's probably installing vim-gnome or similar |
| 06:23.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... there's vim-gnome |
| 06:23.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | which... unsurprisingly would use gnome libs |
| 06:23.28 | dondelelcaro | maquis: not entirely sure; possible that the install of python-sepolgen was interrupted at a bad place or something |
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| 06:24.12 | maquis | dondelelcaro: cool. thanks a ton!! i had almost given up hope on this problem. you saved me from a reinstall! |
| 06:24.39 | dondelelcaro | maquis: np; a reinstall is (almost) never the answer |
| 06:24.59 | maquis | dondelelcaro: yeah... i try to avoid it, but i'd been running bad for a while |
| 06:25.01 | maquis | thanks agian |
| 06:25.01 | dondelelcaro | (though sometimes it may be frustrating until you find it) |
| 06:25.04 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 06:26.54 | pkt | Is there a "command-line" / "config file" way to disable atk? |
| 06:27.22 | pkt | (I mean at runtime) |
| 06:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, my computer crashed more often than vista... that's frustrating |
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| 06:29.05 | pkt | CutMeOwnThroat: do you have any experimental packages installed or too new hardware? |
| 06:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although it was only twice since... the new xorg(?) - new nvidia drivers? and only once really crashed the system... i.e. today) |
| 06:29.27 | pkt | aha, there you have it :-) |
| 06:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | pkt, no, I think it's googleearth using direct rendering or opengl or whatever |
| 06:29.56 | pkt | both "new xorg" and "nvidia drivers" are like taboo :-) |
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| 06:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | today it crashed X (used 100% of one CPU) |
| 06:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... the nv driver still sucks |
| 06:30.56 | pkt | I know, I have an external nvidia driver but have opted to use the M/Bs intel card instead :-) |
| 06:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and couple of years ago it was binary driver for nvidia and ati... |
| 06:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's only kind of recently that ati had a policy change |
| 06:31.47 | pkt | well, the radeon driver has been pretty OK if you are not a gamer :-) |
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| 06:32.05 | pkt | I 've been using it for at least 4 years now with no big problems |
| 06:32.17 | pkt | even tvout works |
| 06:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably... but I had used nvidia for years before... so I thought I'd stay with the misery that I already know :) |
| 06:32.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | AND I had no problems on the previous cheapo nvidia card after the initial teething was over |
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| 06:33.02 | pkt | NVidia basically duplicates most of the kernel drm and userspace OpenGL infrastructure of xorg |
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| 06:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways... it's extremely annoying, when you know how I overfill my desktop |
| 06:33.47 | pkt | so, it is not affected by many changes, but when it is affected it is probably hard to fix |
| 06:34.29 | pkt | well, you can always wait another year or so for nouveau |
| 06:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | just extended my virtual desktop to have 4x9 screens instead of the default recently, because I needed more space :) |
| 06:34.52 | pkt | and nvidia will probably release some sort of specs sometime too |
| 06:35.25 | pkt | although they probably won't be the sort of specs intel and ati have released |
| 06:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean I asked a colleague if he remembered when his vista last crashed... and he couldn't |
| 06:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | (!) |
| 06:36.12 | pkt | well, with linux-unfriendly hardware this is unfair |
| 06:36.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | makes you start feeling inferior :) |
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| 06:36.50 | pkt | today I had a FUTEX_WAIT crash |
| 06:36.56 | pkt | hang actually |
| 06:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... I still remember nvidia as one of the most linux friendly hardware... |
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| 06:37.31 | pkt | by having the source I could ptrace the process, poke a 0 to the "val" field and manually "unhang" the process at runtime |
| 06:37.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | because they had their binary driver which did support dri and openGL and whatnot, while for all other cards it would "just not work" |
| 06:37.43 | pkt | It is really hard to feel inferior to windows :-) |
| 06:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe :) |
| 06:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I tried running gdb on the hung X |
| 06:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'm nearly never use gdb... and there were no function names, just the hex addresses |
| 06:38.51 | pkt | well, nvidia was never actually linux friendly |
| 06:39.05 | pkt | from the crashing/problems pov |
| 06:39.15 | pkt | it just had the good functionality :-) |
| 06:39.20 | stoned | I used to dislike ati until they opened the drivers for me |
| 06:39.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was... in so far, as they were the first (?) that released linux drivers |
| 06:39.31 | stoned | now I use free open source drivers and get 3d in my card |
| 06:39.36 | stoned | I like ati now :) |
| 06:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I'd buy that computer now, I'd take ati for the same reason |
| 06:40.04 | pkt | I believe the big thing for gfx will be if intel's larabee succeeds |
| 06:40.21 | pkt | this can really provide big pressure to other vendors to open |
| 06:40.37 | pkt | because you can never be more open than x86 :-) |
| 06:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | back to work for me... should get home before the snow becomes too high for biking |
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| 06:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | we got a 'snow emergency' coming up... means fucking sirens will go off in front of my apartment tomorrow morning at... 6:30 (I normally get up after 9) |
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| 06:46.19 | superjet_busy | beside tc, is there some simple tools can limit net speed in or out? |
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| 06:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | trickle? (is that tc?) |
| 06:49.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can't really limit "in" if you're not able to tell the other guy to send slower |
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| 06:50.33 | superjet_busy | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, just to have a test, tc from iproute and this is different |
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| 06:52.02 | stoned | wonder shaper? |
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| 06:56.09 | superjet_busy | stoned: is this better choose? |
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| 06:56.36 | stoned | its a bandwidth shaper |
| 06:56.39 | stoned | not sure if you can use it |
| 06:56.42 | stoned | but try it out |
| 06:58.14 | swankier | how do I see ipsec encrypted packets in tcpdump in sarge? |
| 06:58.38 | superjet_busy | stoned: thanks, tc should be more powerful but difficult to custom, I only need a simple one now :) |
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| 07:22.17 | meyou- | anyone know how to make my ircd-irc2 server op you when you're the first to join a channel? |
| 07:22.46 | neoice | meyou-: is that not the default? its probably an option in the docs |
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| 07:23.49 | meyou- | the config seems to just be O:lines and stuff |
| 07:24.13 | superjet_busy | why not hybrid or ngircd? |
| 07:24.39 | meyou- | just checking a few out |
| 07:24.43 | meyou- | maybe you can suggest a good one |
| 07:24.49 | meyou- | it's a private server, all trusted users |
| 07:25.23 | meyou- | moving away from unreal ircd on windows :o |
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| 07:25.29 | superjet_busy | I'm using unrealircd |
| 07:25.50 | superjet_busy | for what? |
| 07:25.57 | atul | In my machine it is not showing grub.conf file ? where do i get this file ? |
| 07:26.00 | meyou- | intraoffice chatrooms |
| 07:26.21 | meyou- | atul: do you have grub installed? |
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| 07:26.29 | atul | meyou-:=> yes |
| 07:26.49 | atul | meyou-:=> grub path is /boot/grub/ |
| 07:26.53 | Penix | meyou-: considered jabber? |
| 07:27.38 | meyou- | Penix: any particular advantage over irc? |
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| 07:40.34 | JyZyXEL | !friday |
| 07:40.34 | dpkg | it has been said that friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 07:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | atul............ gorn |
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| 07:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no patience in the youngsters of today |
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| 07:44.59 | JyZyXEL | it just feels good man |
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| 07:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have fridayitis? |
| 07:49.12 | JyZyXEL | well i have beer |
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| 07:51.35 | pstickne | what is WRONG with recent iceweasel releases? |
| 07:51.43 | pstickne | it keeps "locking up" |
| 07:52.07 | pipcookie | What version, and are you using flash? Also, what OS? |
| 07:52.09 | JyZyXEL | its based on firefox? |
| 07:52.10 | pstickne | freezes iceweasel and/or the entire X11 system for a few seconds at a time |
| 07:52.52 | pstickne | pipcookie: "5.0", there is flash 10 installed (recent pulls, but it doesn't seem to run) 3.0.4 |
| 07:52.52 | pstickne | pipcookie: this problem started within the past week or two |
| 07:53.29 | pipcookie | Iceweasel is firefox rebranded. |
| 07:53.33 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 07:53.43 | JyZyXEL | that explains it |
| 07:53.45 | pipcookie | What's "5.0"? Upi |
| 07:53.50 | pipcookie | (grr)... Lenny? |
| 07:54.12 | craigevil | iceweasel and flash 10 works just fine here |
| 07:54.44 | pipcookie | Iceweasel and flash work here just fine, too, but I'm running flash 9. |
| 07:55.14 | pstickne | I don't think it is related to flash; when I just start iceweasel and enter gmail, it "freezes" for 5+ seconds |
| 07:55.21 | pstickne | it's as though network IO is blocking |
| 07:55.45 | craigevil | try disabling ipv6 if you havent already |
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| 07:56.01 | pipcookie | Maybe, and maybe not. It might be instructive to use htop to see what's going on during one of these freezes. |
| 07:56.09 | pipcookie | Your "5.0" is 32-bit/ |
| 07:56.12 | pstickne | craigevil: hmm, were would I look to do that? |
| 07:56.30 | craigevil | in about:config network.dns.disableIPv6 se it to true |
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| 07:58.33 | pipcookie | tries that just for giggles |
| 07:58.48 | pstickne | craigevil: no effect, same nonsense :( |
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| 07:59.11 | craigevil | i would look in top/htop and see what is using your cpu |
| 07:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | top? |
| 07:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) |
| 07:59.24 | pipcookie | Is accessing gmail the only time you experience this freeze? |
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| 07:59.36 | pipcookie | I use htop |
| 07:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaja |
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| 08:00.26 | pstickne | pipcookie: no, it happens quite often, another big one is opening new links in google images |
| 08:00.34 | pstickne | pipcookie: only it seems less severe then |
| 08:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, hatop is too fancy |
| 08:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 08:01.23 | pipcookie | I like htop because it shows each core separately. |
| 08:01.49 | JyZyXEL | htop is cool |
| 08:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | had never heared of it |
| 08:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I kinda disklike the colored bars |
| 08:02.13 | JyZyXEL | really? |
| 08:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, guess it's useful |
| 08:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf, different keys than top, though |
| 08:03.15 | pstickne | uhm, how many iceweasel processes are supposed to be spawned? |
| 08:03.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, no it aint... just different representation |
| 08:03.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | pstickne, how many do you have to offer? :) |
| 08:03.48 | pstickne | I have 8 different PIDs, now 5... |
| 08:03.53 | pipcookie | I have only one. |
| 08:03.56 | craigevil | pstickne: firefox-bin, gconfd-2, xulrunner-stub |
| 08:04.01 | pipcookie | Lots of plugins? |
| 08:04.02 | pstickne | all with the same VIRT/RES/SHR... |
| 08:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got only one iceweasel, but loads of java_vm that are started by it |
| 08:04.21 | pstickne | now 4... |
| 08:04.36 | pstickne | they are all "firefox-bin -a iceweasel" |
| 08:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | kill them all and try again with a single one |
| 08:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | how many did you start, btw... |
| 08:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the remote function might not always be triggered reliably |
| 08:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | HAIL, HAIL! |
| 08:07.14 | JyZyXEL | heil! |
| 08:07.16 | pstickne | hmm, I have some [npviewer.bin] processes that won't take a -9 :-/ |
| 08:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm talking about the weather... |
| 08:07.30 | pipcookie | I tend to associate iceweasel/firefox freezes and crashes with the flash player, particularly the "free' one. Maybe it would help to turn Java and javascript off? |
| 08:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is npviewer |
| 08:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't seem to be anything in any Debian package |
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| 08:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is this, btw... lenny or etch? |
| 08:09.31 | pipcookie | "5.0"; I presume lenny. |
| 08:10.14 | pstickne | hmm. okay. disabling flash and it "doesn't hang" (any more than it used too) |
| 08:10.20 | pstickne | *sigh* |
| 08:10.25 | pipcookie | According to a google hit on an ubuntu forum, npviewer is firefox's flash viewer. |
| 08:10.43 | \amethyst | but it won't show up as that normally |
| 08:10.44 | JyZyXEL | hehe |
| 08:10.47 | \amethyst | using nspluginwrapper? |
| 08:10.59 | pipcookie | "npviewer.bin is Firefox's Adobe Flash Player plugin. Whenever you have issues with firefox freezing on a page with flash animations try to force quit that process instead. There is a good chance firefox will resume responding and you will merely have to reload the page to get the flash animation back. |
| 08:10.59 | pipcookie | __________________" |
| 08:11.08 | pstickne | \amethyst: I was. after these new updates I just think it's hosed. |
| 08:11.34 | pstickne | (plug reports 9, system has 10 installed... nspluginwrapper is claimed to be unused...) |
| 08:11.35 | craigevil | you might try the flash 10 64 bit |
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| 08:11.58 | pstickne | craigevil: do I have to do anything special to get firefox to recognize it? |
| 08:12.24 | craigevil | you shouldnt, but wtf do i know i dont have 64 bit |
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| 08:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems it's a 64 bit specific bug |
| 08:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | who knows |
| 08:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least the debian bug on memory usage seems to be |
| 08:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | pstickne, check the bug tracking system... |
| 08:17.17 | click170_ | Whats the quickest way to make a 200 (arbitrary) meg file full or nothing/anything/garbage ? |
| 08:17.54 | mhymn_ | downloading half of windows? |
| 08:18.00 | drraid | ROFL |
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| 08:18.23 | click170_ | lol |
| 08:18.30 | click170_ | Nm, found it. |
| 08:18.54 | mhymn_ | so how? |
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| 08:19.19 | pkt | dd if=/dev/urandom of=yourfile ? |
| 08:19.27 | pkt | or if=/dev/zero |
| 08:19.36 | drraid | yeah don't waste entropy |
| 08:19.48 | pkt | I said urandom :-) |
| 08:19.53 | drraid | ... |
| 08:20.03 | drraid | it still polls |
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| 08:20.45 | pkt | well ok then use the internet site that provides random numbers if you are up for a big download :-) |
| 08:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 08:21.12 | pkt | www.random.org |
| 08:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | type it! |
| 08:21.32 | drraid | does it have to be random? |
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| 08:21.54 | drraid | write up a c app/shellscript/python/anything to do it in like 2 min |
| 08:22.14 | pkt | or use urandom just once as seed to a mersenne twister rndgen |
| 08:22.36 | drraid | mersenne twister |
| 08:22.37 | drraid | LOL |
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| 08:23.32 | pkt | http://www.boost.org/boost/random/mersenne_twister.hpp |
| 08:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | "waste entropy"... my scientific soul cringes |
| 08:24.28 | drraid | CutMeOwnThroat: my security one doesn't. |
| 08:25.16 | pkt | python: random.randInt() |
| 08:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's such a weird thing, that we call second Law of thermodynamics |
| 08:25.24 | drraid | ya ya |
| 08:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 08:25.27 | drraid | thermodynamics |
| 08:25.28 | drraid | ya ya |
| 08:25.50 | Moofius | How can I install glibc >= 2.4? |
| 08:25.54 | drraid | unfortunately, terms adapted by computer science for their convenience dont ever actually observe the context of their origination |
| 08:26.01 | drraid | such as "ether" |
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| 08:26.05 | drraid | "entropy" |
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| 08:26.08 | drraid | "null" |
| 08:26.11 | drraid | etc etc etc |
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| 08:26.15 | xingu | drraid: "list" |
| 08:26.22 | drraid | lol xingu ;] |
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| 08:26.38 | pipcookie | gets cracked up sometimes about some of the terminology surrounding trees |
| 08:26.39 | drraid | *of their origin |
| 08:26.46 | drraid | pardon my bush-ism |
| 08:27.15 | drraid | i guess origination worked ;/ |
| 08:27.19 | pkt | why null? I 've always thought it meant "I don't know" everywhere. What did CS do to it ? |
| 08:27.25 | drraid | 0x00 |
| 08:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libc6 |
| 08:27.35 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-1 |
| 08:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Moofius, by upgrading to lenny |
| 08:27.57 | drraid | pkt we've assigned a value to something that is supposed to be valueless |
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| 08:28.29 | pkt | this value is just a convention of some languages, it isn't a CS thing |
| 08:28.41 | Moofius | CutMeOwnThroat: I can't upgrade, on a vps, any other way? |
| 08:28.50 | drraid | that may be true, i tend to observe C as the end all |
| 08:29.01 | xingu | drraid: not all arch's define null as (void *)0 |
| 08:29.03 | drraid | sorry for my bias |
| 08:29.08 | drraid | xingu: true aswell |
| 08:29.16 | pkt | exactly. Not even all apps |
| 08:29.17 | drraid | I sometimes forget there are archs beyond x86 |
| 08:29.33 | drraid | xingu: regardless, they have a value though, right? |
| 08:29.38 | pkt | sometimes, bootloaders and close-to-hardware stuff use other conventions |
| 08:29.55 | drraid | and null might have been a bad example. |
| 08:30.17 | pkt | there is always a value, but it is not OK to assume which one it is / depend on it |
| 08:30.31 | drraid | lol none of those other definitions matter anyway |
| 08:31.03 | drraid | is now trying to ignite fire |
| 08:31.25 | xingu | regardless, it's the value of what is pointed to by NULL you're referring to |
| 08:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd Moofius |
| 08:31.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Moofius? |
| 08:31.46 | drraid | xingu? |
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| 08:31.56 | drraid | err right |
| 08:31.58 | wt | Is there a way to do the equivalent of "apt-cache search <word1> <word2>" with aptitude's search functionality? |
| 08:31.59 | xingu | drraid: null is a void pointer |
| 08:32.00 | drraid | sorry ive had a few tonight |
| 08:32.03 | Moofius | CutMeOwnThroat: ./neroAacEnc: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./neroAacEnc) |
| 08:32.05 | drraid | xingu: not necessarily |
| 08:32.11 | drraid | xingu: it can also be a value |
| 08:32.13 | xingu | drraid: NULL is, in C |
| 08:32.14 | Moofius | CutMeOwnThroat: that's what I'm trying to fix |
| 08:32.27 | drraid | xingu: in my broken C, it doesnt have to be |
| 08:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Moofius, compile it for your system... |
| 08:32.59 | pkt | I think you are just confusing C with CS :-) |
| 08:33.03 | Moofius | CutMeOwnThroat: neroAacEnc is just provided as a binary |
| 08:33.05 | drraid | are you're right, xingu |
| 08:33.17 | drraid | *ahh you're right xingu |
| 08:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Moofius, well, mail them that you want a statically linked version |
| 08:33.47 | drraid | pkt: as a subset, i would say C is |
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| 08:34.00 | drraid | pkt: the other two examples weren't C related, the ether and entropy |
| 08:34.22 | pkt | yes, I only objected about the null :-) |
| 08:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Moofius, it used to work for me to just copy runtime libraries and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH some years ago... but my more recent experiences tell me one cannot do that ... specially when it all boils down to glibc |
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| 08:35.37 | pkt | the best solution might well be a small chroot :-) |
| 08:35.50 | pkt | that should fix it :-) |
| 08:36.01 | pipcookie | Come to that, why not really separate things and use a vm? |
| 08:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which basically means installing a 2nd system, yes |
| 08:36.13 | xingu | Moofius: libc2.4 is ancient, get your vendor to rebuild |
| 08:36.13 | pkt | not really |
| 08:36.17 | pstickne | thanks |
| 08:36.23 | wt | something like "aptitude search and(or(name(dns),description(dns)),or(name(server),description(server)))", but shorter |
| 08:36.32 | pkt | the chroot can just have the needed libraries and the broken app |
| 08:36.51 | pkt | it doesn't have to be a full system |
| 08:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe... |
| 08:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | i just thought if he has to ask, it's probably not an option |
| 08:37.15 | pkt | just ldd / objdump to find out what needs to be there |
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| 08:37.26 | pipcookie | How do you find out what glibc you're using? |
| 08:37.42 | pkt | apt-show-versions ? |
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| 08:37.48 | \amethyst | xingu: while a null pointer isn't necessarily (void *)0, (void *)0 is a null pointer |
| 08:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 08:37.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
| 08:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, not you |
| 08:37.56 | dpkg | not me! |
| 08:37.56 | pkt | or if you want to be a cool kid |
| 08:38.01 | wt | of course, I meant, "aptitude search '?and(?or(?name(dns),?description(dns)),or(?name(server),?description(server)))'" |
| 08:38.25 | \amethyst | wow I'm late, ignore me |
| 08:38.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | wt, alias aptitude='apt-get' |
| 08:38.33 | pkt | /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 08:38.47 | xingu | \amethyst: eh? some arch's put their heap at 0 and grow up. :) |
| 08:38.58 | wt | apt-get doesn't have search, apt-caches search results aren't as nice as aptitude |
| 08:39.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | wt, true :) |
| 08:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least the 1st part |
| 08:39.25 | pkt | pipcookie: it is amazing how few people realize that libc is also a valid executable :-) |
| 08:39.30 | \amethyst | xingu: yes, and it doesn't necessarily have to have the all-zeros bit pattern, but ANSI C specified that 0 cast to a void * is a null pointer constant |
| 08:39.40 | pipcookie | I didn't know that myself, acutally. |
| 08:39.47 | pipcookie | *actually |
| 08:39.56 | xingu | \amethyst: is this a c99 thing? :) |
| 08:39.58 | pkt | so just call it to find its version :-) |
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| 08:40.09 | \amethyst | xingu: so if it's not all-zeros, the compiler has to special-case that. it only applies to integer constant expressions, so there's no check at runtime |
| 08:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | pkt, heh, indeed |
| 08:40.35 | pstickne | thanks all, the problem looks to have been flash 9, the upgrade to 10 was broken/incomplete, deleted all the plugin.dat files, removed all the plugins from /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins, now flash 10 is installed and it doesn't "hang" |
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| 08:40.52 | \amethyst | xingu: I don't have an older version of the standard here to check, but I'm pretty sure it's been that way since ANSI C |
| 08:41.33 | drraid | awesome. |
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| 08:41.42 | nocte | hi |
| 08:41.59 | drraid | I like how a comment about thermodynamics has us discussing the c99 standard for null |
| 08:42.00 | nocte | it seems the ext3 loopback get corrupted quite easily. can somebody know why ? |
| 08:42.08 | drraid | now has proof that IRC melts your brain |
| 08:42.19 | xingu | \amethyst: fair do |
| 08:42.52 | pipcookie | Is libc6 libc? |
| 08:42.59 | \amethyst | xingu: that (and a few rules surrounding it) ensures that you can writing things like if (ptr) instead of if (ptr != NULL) |
| 08:43.10 | pkt | pipcookie: eh? |
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| 08:43.24 | pipcookie | can't seem to find "libc". |
| 08:43.24 | drraid | \amethyst: i thought you weren't *supposed* to write that way? |
| 08:43.35 | drraid | though I always do, old schoolers get mad at me for it |
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| 08:43.44 | drraid | "You whippersnappers and your assumption of truth" etc. etc. |
| 08:44.03 | pkt | pipcookie: /lib/libc.so.6 isn't there? |
| 08:44.15 | \amethyst | s/writing/write/ |
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| 08:45.18 | pipcookie | yes, actually, it is. I was looking in /usr/lib, and not /lib. |
| 08:45.30 | pkt | no, no, no |
| 08:45.43 | pkt | /usr/lib would be a bad place :-) |
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| 08:45.58 | pipcookie | I'll be double dipped in hot fudge sauce, you're right - it's executable! |
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| 08:46.26 | wt | aptitude search '?and(?or(?name(server),?description(server)),?or(?name(http),?description(http)))' == apt-cache search server http |
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| 08:46.45 | pkt | pipcookie: you have still much to learn young padawan :-) |
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| 08:47.04 | LoveGuru | Hi, Is there anyone intrested to help, i can't login my samba box from my windows box ." http://pastebin.com/d28fa3a88 " i tried to look in google for help .. but i can't find something :< please someone can help |
| 08:47.15 | pipcookie | So it would appear, Obee Wan Carnauba. |
| 08:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | pkt, should we go round now and try to execute all types of runtime libraries to look for eastereggs? |
| 08:47.39 | drraid | lol |
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| 08:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's indeed quite easy |
| 08:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or not.... |
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| 08:49.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | looked like you can execute all of 'em that have the execute-flag |
| 08:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but |
| 08:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | /lib/libdl.so.1.9.11 --> Segmentation fault |
| 08:49.21 | pipcookie | hee |
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| 08:49.41 | wt | I guess this is the shortest: aptitude search '(~nserver|~dserver)(~nhttp|~dhttp)' |
| 08:49.44 | pkt | well, the linker is special :-) |
| 08:49.46 | xingu | \amethyst: http://c-faq.com/null/machnon0.html if you ever need a cite (the whole section has this covered, as you'd expect) |
| 08:49.47 | wt | lame repetition |
| 08:50.16 | pkt | anyway, back to debugging java and futexes ... |
| 08:50.25 | pipcookie | ./libdl.so.2: permission denied. |
| 08:51.00 | pipcookie | looks foward to installing debian lenny on both his laptops in the coming holidays |
| 08:51.01 | xingu | \amethyst: to disambiguate, I was wrong, it *is* always a pointer to 0; but the bit pattern/ address of the pointer itself is arch defined (as is the cast it turns out) |
| 08:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders wtf klibc--IOwh0VR87LX1LY95rmnFLc1vuY.so is and why anyone would name a library like this |
| 08:51.43 | drraid | CutMeOwnThroat: looks sketchy :/ |
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| 08:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I know what it IS now |
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| 08:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a libc6 :) |
| 08:52.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/6// |
| 08:52.28 | pkt | CutMeOwnThroat: it is a tiny libc used by initramfs |
| 08:52.39 | pkt | and the version is most likely a checksum |
| 08:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... I looked it up |
| 08:53.11 | pkt | It means "if we touched the source, we have broken compatibility" |
| 08:53.20 | pkt | :-) |
| 08:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, /lib/ld-2.7.so also works |
| 08:53.46 | pkt | and also serves to scare you away from using it I guess .. |
| 08:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 08:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | works for me! |
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| 08:55.19 | Garda | does anyone here use debian on a netbook? |
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| 08:55.44 | Garda | how much space does the debian eee version approximately require? |
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| 08:56.39 | pkt | Garda: If I were you, I 'd just install it in a VM and find out first hand :-) |
| 08:56.53 | LoveGuru | Hi, Is there anyone intrested to help, i can't login my samba box from my windows box ." http://pastebin.com/d28fa3a88 " i tried to look in google for help .. but i can't find something :< please someone can help |
| 08:57.26 | drraid | what happens, LoveGuru? |
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| 08:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, did you try logging in from your linux box? |
| 08:58.04 | LoveGuru | drraid: well i don't know even.. i almost tried alot things whatever i found related kinda help.. but nothing works. |
| 08:58.38 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: well within the box its looklike working fine |
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| 08:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you connected with smbclient? |
| 08:58.56 | LoveGuru | yea |
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| 08:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about the logfiles |
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| 09:00.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, bah, how about setting the interface to something else but 'lo'? |
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| 09:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is probably the default) |
| 09:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... although my smb.conf doesn't seem to require it |
| 09:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/require/have/ ... hence smb shouldnt require it |
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| 09:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, increase the loglevel... |
| 09:03.39 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: well what u need ? smbd or nmbd log? |
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| 09:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | me? nuffin :) |
| 09:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need it :) |
| 09:04.00 | swankier | and vpn experts here? |
| 09:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | look if you see anything useful |
| 09:04.06 | swankier | I'm inches away from a working config |
| 09:04.23 | swankier | openswan is not decrypting incoming it seems |
| 09:04.47 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry ya that was asking which file u talking about.. oki let me check both files |
| 09:04.53 | swankier | I don't know how to debug it other than guessing at configuration parameters |
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| 09:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, both... it's rare enough that any of them shows something useful :) |
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| 09:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, but if it screams "permission denied" I'd call that a clue |
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| 09:06.38 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: in log.smbd file there is last line says " [2008/12/18 21:00:39, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_connect(68) |
| 09:06.38 | LoveGuru | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you weren't trying to print, you wanted files |
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| 09:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/fade3b69 |
| 09:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could try my one... |
| 09:08.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which looks pretty much totally different) |
| 09:09.00 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: alright thankx. |
| 09:09.32 | LoveGuru | let me look |
| 09:10.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ii samba 2:3.2.4-1 |
| 09:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what ports does it use, anyways |
| 09:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could look in netstat -an at what interfaces it listens |
| 09:11.24 | LoveGuru | its look like 631 |
| 09:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 09:11.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | 641 is ipp |
| 09:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 09:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | 631 |
| 09:12.14 | LoveGuru | well |
| 09:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's used by cups for configuring... and normally on printers |
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| 09:13.16 | LoveGuru | can i paste at pastebin ? |
| 09:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, I think you are capable of doing that ;) |
| 09:13.54 | Supaplex | you don't need our permission |
| 09:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, ok, do you think I misunderstood that questiong *g* |
| 09:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, iceweasel crashed |
| 09:15.10 | Supaplex | you and I both understand smartass. but I was too tired to reply that way. |
| 09:15.22 | Supaplex | not calling you one :p |
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| 09:15.29 | Supaplex | see how unthinkable I am? |
| 09:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't be more tired than I |
| 09:15.57 | Supaplex | you win |
| 09:16.05 | Supaplex | only because I don't have to argue |
| 09:16.06 | Supaplex | HAH! |
| 09:16.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't have a clue what you're talking about |
| 09:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | HAHA! |
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| 09:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, seems it's port 445 and 139 |
| 09:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
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| 09:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm amazed I can connect to MY samba |
| 09:18.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | netstat -an |egrep '445|139' |
| 09:18.40 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: well "netstat -an" shows http://pastebin.com/d28058a7f |
| 09:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives tcp6 0 0 :::139 :::* LISTEN |
| 09:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and anoter line for 445 |
| 09:19.12 | LoveGuru | i think im gonna use ur config file. |
| 09:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it work? |
| 09:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously, my samba uses tcp6 |
| 09:19.40 | LoveGuru | i don't know , im just gonna tried it |
| 09:19.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so my netstat claims |
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| 09:19.43 | LoveGuru | *ty |
| 09:21.11 | pkt | Sometimes it seems as we have made our systems needlessly complex almost in purpose :-) |
| 09:21.51 | pkt | No wonder why so many people think of companies like M$ as evil |
| 09:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, well, looks the same as for me... |
| 09:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find that tcp6 a little worrying |
| 09:23.36 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: it's perfectly natural; af_inet6 will automagically uplift tcp4 connect's |
| 09:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you rephrase this for the terminally tired? |
| 09:24.19 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: the only real difference is it's essentially a declaration that the app has sufficient headroom in its socket *'s to store inet6 addresses |
| 09:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then "# |
| 09:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | tcp6 0 0 :::139 :::* LISTEN" should be fine |
| 09:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which was what he pasted) |
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| 09:25.22 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly so |
| 09:26.04 | swankier | AHH. |
| 09:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, then you should be able to get something from your logfiles... increase the loglevel and watch the logs (possibly also /var/log/messages for completeness) when you try to connect |
| 09:26.18 | swankier | how do I see packet decryption with openswan?! |
| 09:26.34 | mattinator | ughhh Flash refuses to cooperate |
| 09:26.51 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: okk |
| 09:27.09 | mattinator | Has anyone ever had a problem where flash needs lib-atk |
| 09:27.16 | mattinator | But apt thinks it's installed already |
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| 09:30.56 | pookey | I work for an ISP - we're considering setting up a debian mirror in the UK. Can someone ping me if another one is required? |
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| 09:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mattinator, apt-get --reinstall ....? |
| 09:37.38 | mattinator | No |
| 09:37.42 | mattinator | I tried |
| 09:37.50 | mattinator | I've been trolling through some forums |
| 09:37.55 | mattinator | etch != flash |
| 09:38.03 | mattinator | So I need to bump up to Lenny I guess |
| 09:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true |
| 09:38.20 | mattinator | o rly? |
| 09:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've been using flash on etch for ages |
| 09:38.30 | mattinator | Welp |
| 09:39.00 | mattinator | Apparently GDebi doesn't work properly in Etch |
| 09:39.06 | mattinator | I don't know what's up |
| 09:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | GDebi? |
| 09:39.19 | mattinator | GDebi wants libatk1.0-0 |
| 09:39.35 | mattinator | The gnome package manager thingy |
| 09:39.44 | mattinator | At any rate |
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| 09:39.52 | mattinator | Synaptic gets pissed off |
| 09:40.06 | mattinator | So I downloaded the .deb from adobe |
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| 09:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see.. you only need gdebi if you compile lots of packages yourself, though |
| 09:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, it depends on gksu |
| 09:41.26 | mattinator | So how did you get flashing running? |
| 09:41.45 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: now im usingUr conf file. and i made some changes on it like my "share path, share name, hostname, workgroup" but still when i try to check my sharing from windows its keep asking id/pass and i put that specific user which i write in smb.conf but still same error Id/pass incorrect at windows :< |
| 09:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | honestly, I don't remember |
| 09:41.56 | mattinator | heh |
| 09:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mattinator, I said I've been running it for ages ;) |
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| 09:42.16 | mattinator | It's cool |
| 09:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !flash |
| 09:42.25 | dpkg | i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 09:42.25 | mattinator | I'm learning as I'm going so I guess I have that going for me |
| 09:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 09:42.34 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 09:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, good ole dpkg |
| 09:42.50 | mattinator | wha what!? |
| 09:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems your forums were right... and you should use a backport |
| 09:43.24 | mattinator | Oh |
| 09:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and I'm the miracle boy, because I ran flash without that |
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| 09:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 09:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mattinator, obviously I ran the one from debian-multimedia... |
| 09:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and still do) |
| 09:44.14 | mattinator | Ahh |
| 09:44.15 | mattinator | Well |
| 09:44.33 | mattinator | I'm sort of glad it's been a pain |
| 09:44.40 | mattinator | Because I'm learning |
| 09:44.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that's essentially your choice, it seems - either you go with debian-multimedia, or you take the lenny version for etch from backports |
| 09:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or you do go to lenny, as that's on it's way to stable anyways... and can need some more testing |
| 09:45.33 | mattinator | Well I don't do anything serious with this computer |
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| 09:45.55 | mattinator | So I think I might check lenny out |
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| 09:46.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok.... chappie just made the way free up to the street - guess I should use the chance :) |
| 09:46.40 | mattinator | To move to lenny do I just change what's in sources.list |
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| 09:46.55 | jjosef | !seen mentor |
| 09:46.55 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mentor', jjosef |
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| 09:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, I thought so... |
| 09:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... after I'd seen that netstat output |
| 09:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | g'night |
| 09:47.40 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat no idea? |
| 09:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | will now vaillantly dig his bike out of the snow and paddle home |
| 09:47.46 | LoveGuru | well alright if u leaving anyways thankx. |
| 09:47.51 | LoveGuru | gud Night. |
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| 09:47.59 | cob | hmm |
| 09:48.00 | mattinator | see ya, thanks for the infoz |
| 09:48.08 | cob | does #debian deny bitchx clients for some reason |
| 09:48.29 | LoveGuru | wth with samba @ |
| 09:48.34 | LoveGuru | damn* i m tired now :< |
| 09:48.38 | LoveGuru | hell with samba |
| 09:48.44 | cob | what's wrong with samba |
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| 09:49.02 | LoveGuru | cob: well i dont know whats the problem i can't figure out.. looking for since 4 hours :< |
| 09:49.14 | LoveGuru | cob: i can't access my folder from windows |
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| 09:49.30 | cob | LoveGuru: put your samba.conf on pastebin plz |
| 09:49.35 | WolvBite | Hi all- currently running an install of Lenny AMD64. What is the state of the 64bit plugins for mozilla etc. are they available now in 64 bit? can someone point me to a help article on installing a majority of the most needed plugins and apps like acroread? |
| 09:49.37 | LoveGuru | ssh/apache/eg.. everything works fine. |
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| 09:49.41 | LoveGuru | cob: alright give me sec. |
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| 09:50.41 | LoveGuru | cob: http://pastebin.com/d4b8ec4ba |
| 09:51.04 | cob | I miss the old #debian where everyone got their fair share of berating before getting even a distorted answer |
| 09:51.29 | cob | so your windows workgroup is workgroup |
| 09:51.48 | LoveGuru | cob: well in control panel /system tab it says there |
| 09:51.57 | LoveGuru | its WORKGROUP |
| 09:52.00 | cob | k |
| 09:52.19 | cob | what is your username on the windows box |
| 09:52.28 | cob | abladm or Amna |
| 09:53.11 | dot210 | i have trouble with sources.list ,the host no longer has debian updates. i need replacement for etch |
| 09:53.20 | cob | ahm... |
| 09:53.23 | cob | LoveGuru |
| 09:53.25 | LoveGuru | ab1adm |
| 09:53.27 | LoveGuru | in windows |
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| 09:53.31 | cob | ok |
| 09:53.31 | LoveGuru | and in linux too |
| 09:53.34 | cob | so now |
| 09:53.49 | cob | are the passwords the same on both? |
| 09:54.03 | LoveGuru | cob: well i didn't set any pass for ab1adm in windows box |
| 09:54.12 | cob | ah |
| 09:54.18 | cob | So Windows is in simple file sharing mode |
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| 09:54.25 | cob | so it's going to attempt to connect as Guest all the time |
| 09:54.27 | LoveGuru | yea |
| 09:54.39 | cob | ok so what if you try to map that share as a network drive |
| 09:54.57 | cob | and supply the username and password for the linux ab1adm |
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| 09:55.29 | LoveGuru | cob: i just put my linuxbox ip at run prompt like " \\linuxboxip " after that its asking about id/pass |
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| 09:55.58 | LoveGuru | i put my id/pass and it keep saying wrong passwd |
| 09:57.51 | cob | instead of that put \\hostnameofthelinuxbox\ab1adm as the share |
| 09:57.59 | cob | then tr it with your login again |
| 09:58.06 | LoveGuru | alright |
| 09:58.20 | cob | click the Connect using a different user name link |
| 09:58.32 | cob | supply your creds there |
| 09:59.50 | LoveGuru | ;< hard luck.. i tried every single thing dude.. keep trying since 4 hours :< |
| 09:59.56 | LoveGuru | i dont know wth. |
| 10:00.01 | LoveGuru | my config looklike fine to me |
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| 10:00.31 | cob | did that not work? |
| 10:00.37 | LoveGuru | cob: no :< |
| 10:00.40 | cob | also I need more of the samba config...this is only the share |
| 10:00.49 | cob | most important is probably the listen line |
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| 10:01.15 | LoveGuru | thats all i do have in my conf file. |
| 10:01.24 | folken | LoveGuru: have you set a _smb_ password for your user? |
| 10:01.24 | LoveGuru | thats my whole conf file. |
| 10:01.29 | folken | LoveGuru: smbpasswd |
| 10:01.38 | LoveGuru | folken i think i did |
| 10:01.42 | cob | interfaces = eth(something) |
| 10:01.44 | LoveGuru | smbpasswd -L username ? |
| 10:01.45 | cob | smbpasswd |
| 10:01.52 | cob | yeah |
| 10:01.57 | LoveGuru | ya i did |
| 10:02.10 | cob | you should have a [global] samba config |
| 10:02.12 | cob | in smb.conf |
| 10:02.18 | cob | in /etc/samba |
| 10:02.31 | LoveGuru | cob: it says at the top [global] |
| 10:02.37 | LoveGuru | well i just remove all garbage lines |
| 10:03.18 | cob | ok |
| 10:03.27 | cob | put under global |
| 10:03.33 | cob | well |
| 10:03.47 | cob | which interface is the one you have connected to the switch/router |
| 10:03.53 | LoveGuru | okie |
| 10:03.55 | cob | eth0, eth1, eth2? |
| 10:04.04 | LoveGuru | interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8 eth0 |
| 10:04.06 | LoveGuru | like that? |
| 10:04.18 | LoveGuru | put my ip there or use * |
| 10:04.22 | folken | LoveGuru: you have encrypt passwords = true |
| 10:04.23 | folken | ? |
| 10:04.28 | cob | I just put eth0 |
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| 10:05.06 | LoveGuru | folken: http://pastebin.com/d4b8ec4ba thats my current file |
| 10:05.17 | cob | remember to restart samba when you make these changes |
| 10:05.27 | cob | ./etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 10:05.33 | folken | LoveGuru: you need encrypt password = true |
| 10:05.44 | robert83a1 | hello , all under debian how can I check install package version something likr rpm -q mypackage.rpm ? |
| 10:05.55 | folken | LoveGuru: in the global section. |
| 10:06.06 | cob | robert83a1: dpkg, google it |
| 10:06.09 | LoveGuru | folken : oki lets c |
| 10:06.14 | pipcookie | robert83a1, if you want a command line, I'd say something like dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 10:06.16 | Will-o-the-Wisp | robert83a1, dpkg -l | grep -i name, for example |
| 10:06.25 | LoveGuru | cob: ya i did restart every single time if i made any change |
| 10:06.29 | cob | ok |
| 10:07.20 | robert83a1 | thank you! |
| 10:08.14 | folken | LoveGuru: unfortunatly it will probalbly not make a difference.. the new default seems to be encrypt passwords = true accodring to the manpage |
| 10:08.42 | cob | conspicuously missing was the interface line |
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| 10:08.58 | huisnah | I can delete stuff in /var/cache/apt/archive right? |
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| 10:09.06 | LoveGuru | well |
| 10:09.07 | LoveGuru | no luck |
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| 10:09.27 | cob | ok how bout this, go to /var/log/samba |
| 10:09.29 | LoveGuru | folken: i tried encrypt passwords, and cob i tried the interfaces |
| 10:09.32 | cob | there should be a log.computername |
| 10:09.40 | cob | for your Windows PC hostname |
| 10:09.43 | LoveGuru | ok let me check |
| 10:09.46 | cob | let's get a pastebin o fthat |
| 10:10.01 | folken | huisnah: yes you can. but better do it with the follogwing command. |
| 10:10.25 | huisnah | folken i ask because I just accidentally synced another box'es archive over it and I want to get it to good state |
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| 10:10.44 | folken | huisnah: should not be a problem for apt |
| 10:10.56 | Will-o-the-Wisp | LoveGuru, it's a WinXP client? |
| 10:10.56 | huisnah | kk |
| 10:11.07 | huisnah | just rsynced a vm to a real box, worked like a charm :) |
| 10:11.08 | folken | huisnah: it simply will simply download what it needs. |
| 10:11.12 | huisnah | cept I forgot to rsync /var/cache |
| 10:11.18 | huisnah | well I excluded it thinking I wouldn't need it |
| 10:11.24 | huisnah | nagios did |
| 10:11.35 | folken | huisnah: if you install maschines frequently you might want to take a look at apt-proxy |
| 10:11.45 | huisnah | folken, nah just have 3 running debian |
| 10:12.12 | LoveGuru | Will-o-the-Wisp: well its windows server 2003 |
| 10:12.13 | ronr | hi, I got a crashed harddisk that still work a little bit like, if I boot the new debian install (on the replaced harddisk) and then mount the old crashed disk I can access it and get data from it, for a while at least, after a while I get I/O errors and need to switch of the computer completely, boot & mount again to access the disk again. Now, this disk used to be our backupdrive and has about 300GB of data I need to get to the new drive, |
| 10:12.13 | ronr | however the drive only works for a little while (2-3GB copy) after a boot. Any clues on how I can get the data off (I wouldn't mind if the computer would be busy copying for afew days as long as I don't have to be next to it the entire time)? |
| 10:12.49 | LoveGuru | cob: there is just log.nmbd, log.smbd smbd.log and log.hades , the long.hades is empty |
| 10:12.56 | Will-o-the-Wisp | LoveGuru, do you patch the "RequiredSignorSeal" registry entry? |
| 10:12.58 | ronr | btw, the filesystem of the crashed drive is ext3 in lvm |
| 10:14.05 | folken | ronr: difficult.. you could use dd_rescue and dump the disk in segments. dd can do offsets. eg. you would exclude the stuff you allready dumped. ( |
| 10:14.22 | folken | ronr: no wait |
| 10:14.35 | folken | ronr: you got lvm! do a pvmove to a new device. |
| 10:14.44 | LoveGuru | i got something in /var/log/samba/smbd.log " http://pastebin.com/d2fc67a49 " |
| 10:14.58 | ronr | folken: the new device has to be lvm as well? |
| 10:15.02 | LoveGuru | Will-o-the-Wisp: i didn't patch anything at windows |
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| 10:15.11 | folken | ronr: well at least a partition on it yes. |
| 10:15.38 | ronr | folken: ok, right now it's not, but I'll just redo the install on the new disk, np |
| 10:15.43 | folken | ronr: you can create a new pv (physical volume), extend the vg and ask the stuff to be moved with pvmove |
| 10:16.17 | cob | LoveGuru. |
| 10:16.23 | Will-o-the-Wisp | LoveGuru, there are a problem in the configuration file (global section without "[") use testparm to check it |
| 10:16.23 | LoveGuru | cob |
| 10:16.32 | cob | LoveGuru: your global] is missing a [ on the front |
| 10:16.36 | folken | ronr: you only need an equaly sized partition. |
| 10:16.38 | ronr | folken: I'm reading the pvmove manpage now... just a sec |
| 10:16.42 | LoveGuru | Will-o-the-Wisp: i checke it.. and replaced it :/ but still same problem :S |
| 10:16.43 | LoveGuru | lol |
| 10:16.53 | LoveGuru | damn* is really big pain though |
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| 10:17.12 | LoveGuru | what about the other error ? |
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| 10:17.18 | cob | so now you have [global] there AND an interfaces line in there? |
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| 10:17.25 | cob | that CUPS stuff doesn't matter |
| 10:17.30 | LoveGuru | cob yes |
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| 10:17.39 | LoveGuru | i did.. set interfaces = eth0 |
| 10:17.46 | LoveGuru | and set [global] there |
| 10:17.50 | cob | ok |
| 10:17.54 | ronr | folken: if I understand correctly pvmove would be similar to dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/sda1 right? |
| 10:18.13 | Will-o-the-Wisp | LoveGuru, open a regedit in the Win2k3 Server and search a key called "RequireSignOrSeal" and show us the value please |
| 10:18.15 | folken | ronr: except it can be interrupted at any time. |
| 10:18.30 | folken | ronr: the stuff that is moved is moved. |
| 10:18.42 | ronr | folken: and therefore allowing me to do reboot to get the old disk working again :) |
| 10:19.32 | folken | ronr: try keeping the disk cool with a few fans.. |
| 10:19.35 | ronr | folken: so, I need to create a lvm volume exactly the same size as the one on the old disk right? |
| 10:19.47 | LoveGuru | ok Will-o-the-Wisp |
| 10:20.28 | LoveGuru | Will-o-the-Wisp: where i can find it? its really big though? mean in which tab it should be? |
| 10:20.38 | folken | ronr: you need at least as much diskspace in a volume group as the old file. |
| 10:20.41 | folken | err disk |
| 10:20.59 | folken | ronr: that can be multiple physical volumes on multiple disks. |
| 10:21.00 | Will-o-the-Wisp | System\CurrentControlSet\Services\NetLogon\Parameters |
| 10:22.21 | ronr | folken: ah, ok, at least... that's no problem, is there a way to convert a current primary ext3 partition to a lvm partition? |
| 10:22.40 | folken | ronr: its not in use? |
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| 10:23.15 | ronr | folken: it is, it's / |
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| 10:23.42 | folken | ronr: ah.. that will be difficult you would have to copy it to an lvm device. currently no conversion is possible. |
| 10:23.49 | xingu | ronr: put the drive in a [pata|sata]<->usb2 housing, attach it to a bloody long usb lead, and put the drive in a freezer compartment |
| 10:23.53 | LoveGuru | Will-o-the-Wisp: it says |
| 10:24.07 | folken | xingu: lol :) |
| 10:24.11 | xingu | ronr: at a guess the drive is failing when it gets hot - remove the heat. |
| 10:24.43 | LoveGuru | Will-o-the-Wisp: it says " requiresignorseal REG_DWORD 0x00000001(1) |
| 10:24.54 | xingu | folken: I get paid to do storage-related out-of-box thinking. :) |
| 10:24.57 | Will-o-the-Wisp | LoveGuru, change this value to 0 |
| 10:25.12 | ronr | xingu: I just felt and it was quite hot so I just placed a big fan right next to it, hopefully it'll work |
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| 10:25.30 | xingu | ronr: I'm not kidding btw (I've done this) |
| 10:25.46 | ronr | folken: sounds like it would be easiest to just install debian again to get the lvm, I'm going to give that a try |
| 10:25.49 | ronsel | howto delete shared memory or show entries? |
| 10:26.14 | ronr | xingu: I currently don't have a housing and long usb disk ready, but I'll definitely give it a shot if all else fails |
| 10:26.25 | folken | ronr: use a seperate partition for the lvm and install / into a regular partition. |
| 10:26.27 | ronsel | or semaphore |
| 10:26.44 | xingu | ronsel: ipcrm(1)/ipcs(1) |
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| 10:26.59 | folken | ronr: you could use gparted and shrink the rootfs |
| 10:27.19 | LoveGuru | Will-o-the-Wisp: okie then? |
| 10:27.25 | folken | ronr: although you would need to do that from a bootcd |
| 10:27.41 | Will-o-the-Wisp | LoveGuru, try to connect to samba share ;) |
| 10:27.46 | ronr | folken: I know, but currently it's just the base system installed, so it wouldn't be much faster |
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| 10:28.17 | folken | ronr: oh ok. |
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| 10:28.57 | jaggz | how do I mount a doublespace drive (memory stick)? |
| 10:29.06 | LoveGuru | :< |
| 10:29.14 | LoveGuru | no luck damn its freaking me :< |
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| 10:30.00 | xingu | jaggz: afaik linux' dmsdos is abandonware - orphanned in 2.2 |
| 10:30.21 | xingu | jaggz: surprised a machine old enough to know about doublespace is new enough to know about usb personally, that's quite a feat |
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| 10:31.17 | LoveGuru | .. shoot man this samba really making me crazy @ |
| 10:31.36 | Ward | Has anyone an idea where I can found when or whether the 'r8169 link-down' bug is going to be fixed in debian? i can't find it at bugs.debian.org, but it is already fixed upstream |
| 10:31.41 | folken | doublespace.. means most likely: write multiple bits into the same space. This brings back memories. |
| 10:31.54 | ronsel | xingu: thanks :) |
| 10:31.55 | doudou | Hi, i have etch installed on sda1, i want to copy it on a dvd, then boot from this dvd, is this possible? |
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| 10:33.13 | folken | LoveGuru: have you turned off simple filesharing on the w2k3 server (assuming it actually supports that?) |
| 10:33.39 | zorgzorg2 | hi. I just rebooted my debian sid (uptime 83 days), and neither emacs nor matlab can start anymore. They take 100%cpu for about 2 minutes then crash with a segfault. I first though of a kernel problem, so I reverted to lenny's 2.6.26-11, but no luck. Anyon heard of that problem before ? |
| 10:33.55 | xingu | Ward: as a last resort - http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/build-linux-kernel-module-against-installed-kernel-source-tree.html |
| 10:34.48 | xingu | Ward: ie it's fairly trivial to create your own, valid, kbuild makefile and build/ link the upstream kernel's r8169 against the debian kernel (providing the abi and key structures haven't changed) |
| 10:35.29 | Ward | xingu: so there probably isn't going to come a fix? |
| 10:35.41 | xingu | Ward: that I can't answer |
| 10:35.55 | LoveGuru | folken: well my win2k3 sharing is 0ff |
| 10:36.00 | pookey | Hi all - I'm trying to package up a program that doesn't have a make file, and just needs to copy stuff to various places.... do I need to add a makefile? |
| 10:36.22 | xingu | Ward: best chance of success is convincing the upstream -stable maint for your (debian's) `uname -r` to pull the fix |
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| 10:36.52 | xingu | Ward: once they've done so, then the debian team stand a chance of rebasing *to* that 2.6.x.(y++) |
| 10:36.57 | folken | LoveGuru: "use simple file sharing" in the folder options. regardless of wheter you share files from your w2k3 server or not. its like the difference between user and share security. |
| 10:37.10 | rangaparma | Hi pookey |
| 10:37.17 | pookey | hi rangaparma :) |
| 10:37.18 | Ward | xingu: i see, thanks for the information |
| 10:37.25 | zorgzorg2 | nobody ? |
| 10:37.47 | LoveGuru | folken: sorry don't understand you |
| 10:37.51 | xingu | Ward: beyond that I can't really help, I've been existing _outside_ debian kernel packaging for so long now I don't even know who's in the team or how to get at them :) |
| 10:38.51 | folken | LoveGuru: open explorer -> tools -> folder options -> view (tab) -> "Use simple file sharing (recommended)" and untick it. |
| 10:38.51 | jabis | is it "normal" for Xorg Virtual memory filesize to exceed 500mb in a kde environment |
| 10:38.51 | enouf | zorgzorg2: segfaults, eh? maybe a hardware issue? ram? run memtest86+ .. have you tried to launch those apps from an xterm |
| 10:38.57 | Ward | :) |
| 10:39.19 | xingu | zorgzorg2: sounds ncurses related |
| 10:39.28 | enouf | jabis: sounds normal for bloated DEs |
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| 10:40.13 | jabis | enouf, just installed a day back or so, without any additional tinkerbells, which is why I was wondering |
| 10:40.18 | zorgzorg2 | enouf: yes, i run them from xterm. But I just tried in the console (ctrl alt f1) and it works there |
| 10:40.20 | LoveGuru | folken: there is nothing like tha t:| |
| 10:40.32 | zorgzorg2 | xingu: ok |
| 10:40.37 | enouf | zorgzorg2: ahh .. so hrm... |
| 10:40.44 | zorgzorg2 | i'll try to reverse ncurse |
| 10:41.21 | zorgzorg2 | enouf: that would mean that it's gui related |
| 10:41.27 | enouf | i have no idea how matlab works, nor emacs for that matter (as in what to expect from launching either) ... :-P |
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| 10:41.55 | folken | LoveGuru: my working config for reference: http://pastebin.com/mcbebee0 |
| 10:41.55 | xingu | zorgzorg2: check that "/lib/terminfo/$(echo $TERM | cut -b1)/$TERM" exists |
| 10:42.04 | enouf | zorgzorg2: possibly, are you using a fb? fbcon? in console? |
| 10:42.14 | xingu | zorgzorg2: ... ie and is readable, etc. |
| 10:42.19 | LoveGuru | folken: alright thanks so kindly let me check |
| 10:42.48 | folken | LoveGuru: its for sharelevel securtity only.. but at least something that should work. |
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| 10:43.16 | zorgzorg2 | xingu: the file exists and is in mode 644 |
| 10:43.27 | zorgzorg2 | enouf: not that I know of |
| 10:44.05 | xingu | zorgzorg2: strace is the next stop (-f to follow child proc's, -o to output to logfile) |
| 10:44.14 | xingu | zorgzorg2: or gdb :) |
| 10:44.22 | zorgzorg2 | update : "matlab -nodisplay" works |
| 10:44.30 | LoveGuru | folken: alright thankx i m looking that file |
| 10:44.42 | zorgzorg2 | so it is x related somehow |
| 10:47.15 | zorgzorg2 | it seems lib-src is not found |
| 10:47.22 | zorgzorg2 | would this be a problem ? |
| 10:48.30 | enouf | bah - he left - anyways, the only things i can find even related to r8169 through the bot are <rtl8139> <rtl81x9.c> <rtl-wifi> and <rtl-wifi 2.6.24> |
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| 10:49.11 | enouf | (which may or may not reference something else semi-useful) |
| 10:49.18 | doudou | now it is about a week, i come here, in fact i came a year ago during a week too and went to conclusion that it was not a goot idea |
| 10:49.46 | zorgzorg2 | xingu: strace does output A LOT of stuff |
| 10:50.04 | enouf | that's the idea ;-) |
| 10:50.14 | doudou | to conclusion, i had a sound card not working, spent hours trying to compile sound packages from debian sources, packages that do not compile |
| 10:50.39 | zorgzorg2 | the last lines being --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- twice then +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 10:50.58 | enouf | doudou: are you the one whom tried compiling alsa-source ? on an etch-backports kernel? running etch? |
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| 10:51.18 | enouf | zorgzorg2: best to pastebin all the output ;-) |
| 10:51.28 | doudou | yes enouf, you know it was simply bios option |
| 10:51.35 | enouf | ? |
| 10:51.56 | enouf | what kind of bios option? don't tell me On/Off :-p |
| 10:52.09 | doudou | i try to install webcam, seems it is same story |
| 10:52.24 | doudou | i download sources, try to compile it, again fail |
| 10:52.41 | zorgzorg2 | http://pastebin.com/m7893c4c9 |
| 10:52.56 | zorgzorg2 | those are the last 100 lines |
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| 10:53.18 | enouf | doudou: well, if it's any consolation - i hooked up a usb printer (lexmark POS inkjet) temporarily and everything is telling me it's working and printing fine - but .. nothing happens :-/ |
| 10:53.41 | doudou | in the bios sound card was disabled, and that is enougth, i thought that linux kernel should knowing what chipset it is be able to put it on, but no, when i put this option on, modules install easily |
| 10:54.10 | doudou | enouf, are you random people, or are you working here? |
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| 10:54.41 | enouf | doudou: but i haven't really dug into the issue - it's just, i'd like to know if i need some sort of evil binary blob, just to print out text ;-) I'll track down the issue, i just don't know anything about printing terminology, like PostScript, PPD, IPP, etc .. |
| 10:54.47 | doudou | i understand things cant work easily, but sometimes i find it is too much |
| 10:54.51 | enouf | doudou: i am not a number |
| 10:55.05 | robert83a1 | hello, just installed vsftpd on debian, I've copied over my vsftpd.conf file from centos , it's setup to chroot local users , but it's not doing it, if enter ftp:ip I see the entire / , my vsftpd.conf file is http://pastebin.com/m748bc1e3 , what did I do wrong here? Debian needs something extra? |
| 10:55.17 | zorgzorg2 | enouf, xingu : got it guys |
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| 10:55.30 | enouf | doudou: if your soundcard is/was disabled in the BIOS, then lspci should've not seen it |
| 10:55.36 | enouf | IINM |
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| 10:55.44 | xingu | zorgzorg2: do tell? |
| 10:55.45 | zorgzorg2 | the output of straced showed that emacs was reading character tables |
| 10:56.15 | zorgzorg2 | indeed, I had tweaked the Xcompose table, and made a recursive include there |
| 10:56.28 | enouf | doudou: well, your fix/issue i'll chalk up to the category of .. er ... "are the speakers plugged in?" :-) |
| 10:56.29 | zorgzorg2 | which is not good :-) |
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| 10:56.38 | xingu | zorgzorg2: lol |
| 10:56.52 | xingu | hands zorgzorg2 the wooden spoon |
| 10:56.53 | enouf | zorgzorg2: glad you found it |
| 10:56.54 | zorgzorg2 | xingu: thanks for you time |
| 10:57.07 | zorgzorg2 | enouf: thanks too |
| 10:57.17 | enouf | np |
| 10:57.35 | doudou | i dont understand "i am not a number" i am not english, is it pointer to "the prisonner tv serie"? |
| 10:57.57 | enouf | doudou: aye .. something like that ;-) |
| 10:58.15 | doudou | enouf, yes disabled in bios, lspci saw it, but drivers do not work, enabled in bios it works fine now |
| 10:58.19 | enouf | doudou: the 2nd part goes like; i am a free man :-) |
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| 10:58.42 | xingu | enouf: it's possible that bios-disable might just result in no irq/drq/mmio maps |
| 10:58.43 | enouf | doudou: hrm .. something should've not seen it ... :-/ |
| 10:58.53 | enouf | xingu: yikes |
| 10:59.11 | doudou | excuse me question, if you are a free man, why do you spend so much time talking here whitout having problems? |
| 10:59.12 | xingu | enouf: even in that state it'd still respond to pci query (as well as drain power) |
| 10:59.14 | enouf | xingu: atleast dmesg should hint at a clue .. at the least |
| 10:59.19 | enouf | or the various logs |
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| 10:59.43 | enouf | doudou: huh? |
| 10:59.50 | xingu | enouf: mmm, linux drivers aren't very good about telling tales on peripherals they've vendor:device-id matched then rejected during init |
| 11:00.19 | xingu | enouf: tend to err on silently discarding them |
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| 11:00.47 | doudou | i understand that you find some benefit learning from questions, or give back some help you received, or is it like an addiction or something, you are pleased helping? |
| 11:01.02 | zophy | is there a way to have different nicks on different channels, with only one client connection to an IRC server ? |
| 11:01.05 | xingu | enouf: it'd stick out like nobody's business in lspci -vv - if you looked, after the fact, knowing what the problem was :) |
| 11:01.14 | enouf | xingu: ya know .. now that i think about it, i recall reorganizing my drives once (HDDs and Opticals) .. and the BIOS didn't even see the opticals when i was done (across various reboots) .. but linux always saw them and they always worked ;-) |
| 11:01.30 | enouf | xingu: hindsight == 20/20 :-p |
| 11:01.40 | zophy | the BIOS always sux |
| 11:01.58 | enouf | doudou: would you like to have my babies? |
| 11:02.15 | zophy | is doudou a bot ? |
| 11:02.17 | doudou | enouf, i will reboot and confirm you if lspci can always see card |
| 11:02.22 | xingu | doudou: I do it from boredom, and because I *know* how frustrating it is when it seems that nobody can answer your questions |
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| 11:02.51 | enouf | doudou: its ok - it's possible that what xingu is mentioning is what has occured - please read his last 4-5 comments or so |
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| 11:03.05 | enouf | his/her .. who knows, who cares ;-) |
| 11:03.25 | sylarrr | how to cancel line wrap in less? |
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| 11:03.25 | xingu | most definitely his. :) |
| 11:03.35 | enouf | doudou: i hang out here to meet chics - what's your excuse? |
| 11:03.42 | enouf | :-p |
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| 11:04.08 | enouf | xingu: ^five |
| 11:04.21 | xingu | sylarrr: less(1): --chop-long-lines |
| 11:04.37 | doudou | oh, you are young man, i am old man, doudou mean "my love" it is how my wife called me when we where young |
| 11:04.42 | doudou | i test |
| 11:05.35 | enouf | xingu: sylarrr would the $COLUMNS variable affect that? |
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| 11:05.59 | xingu | enouf: yes, it's (part of) how curses guesses at the "... screen width ..." metric |
| 11:06.28 | sylarrr | xingu, doing -S keeps it wrapped |
| 11:06.43 | enouf | xingu: ahh .. and i suppose the resolution must be considered as well .. i guess GUI-alike terminals such as xterms are even more complicated |
| 11:07.09 | xingu | enouf: a far better/ more accurate guess is termios term width |
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| 11:07.49 | xingu | sylarrr: that's probably your terminal emulator; if you use rightarrow does it pan to the right? |
| 11:08.03 | sylarrr | yes |
| 11:08.14 | enouf | xingu: yerp .. that good ol' termios/terminfo stuffs that i know almost nothing about :-p |
| 11:08.41 | sylarrr | xingu, in both modes |
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| 11:08.47 | hans_46436 | hi |
| 11:08.56 | enouf | sylarrr: are you using a DE, if so, which? and how about your console? is it a 'linux console' emulation, or xterm emulation |
| 11:08.59 | xingu | sylarrr: ok, definitely your terminal emulator; two problems - 1, the terminal width (per say stty -a) is wrong, two the terminal isn't responding (or can't respond) to a curses request to establish width |
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| 11:09.32 | xingu | sylarrr: just by way of experiment, force a width with stty columns ... |
| 11:09.38 | xingu | sylarrr: then repeat the two test cases? |
| 11:09.41 | enouf | sylarrr: s/and how about your console/how about your terminal |
| 11:09.47 | sylarrr | xingu, I use gnome terminal with pgsql |
| 11:10.00 | gsamsa | how do i tell apt to list the packages from an added repository? |
| 11:10.07 | hans_46436 | i have an problem with tomcat on deb, i want to add a server in netbeans but netbeans says that he can't read the server.xml file in catalina home. does somebody know an answer ? |
| 11:10.21 | enouf | gsamsa: run update |
| 11:10.38 | enouf | gsamsa: to update your apt-cache |
| 11:10.45 | xingu | sylarrr: less -S is working in my test-case here (sidly current gnome-term + less + ncurses) |
| 11:10.51 | enouf | then you search, /msg dpkg search |
| 11:10.54 | xingu | sylarrr: which means that it may well be your TERM env var |
| 11:11.06 | xingu | sylarrr: mine reads as "xterm" |
| 11:11.13 | gsamsa | enouf: no. i want apt to list only one repository |
| 11:11.27 | xingu | sylarrr: nb, less will "probably" get confused about line width if it's unicode (I can't easily test this) |
| 11:11.29 | enouf | sylarrr: echo $TERM for starters, i guess |
| 11:11.57 | xingu | sylarrr: regardless, force a term width per stty then test both cases again |
| 11:12.00 | enouf | gsamsa: then you want something like aptitude, or dpkg-query or grep-dctrl |
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| 11:12.18 | sylarrr | $TERM=xterm |
| 11:12.19 | icesword | heh |
| 11:12.53 | doudou | enouf, i confirm lscpi show all the time the card, even if it is disabled, and alsamixer fails alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device when disabled |
| 11:12.56 | enouf | gsamsa: all official mirrors should contain the same stuff - if you've added anything non-official, just go browse those repos |
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| 11:13.03 | xingu | (in theory gnome term will update the termios - on window resize - that stty and ncurses query) |
| 11:13.34 | xingu | doudou: can you pastebin the lspci -vv case when disabled? |
| 11:13.38 | enouf | doudou: i see - thanks for confirmation |
| 11:13.49 | ronr | folken: ok, new install is done (lvm with one partition for /), now how should I proceed with pvmove? something live pvmove -v /dev/hda5 /dev/sda2 ? |
| 11:13.50 | gsamsa | thanks enouf |
| 11:13.54 | enouf | doudou: i wonder what might we do about those situations |
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| 11:14.52 | xingu | enouf: patch alsa to barf a little less cryptically (ie, matched foo but discarded ${why} in the exception path of module init) |
| 11:15.08 | xingu | enouf: nothing userland can do |
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| 11:16.00 | enouf | gsamsa: well .. you can play around with filtering using those three utils i mentioned - i use it to find which pkgs came from say dmm mirrors - ~$ grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed' .. or something like this might work - ~$ aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i |
| 11:16.40 | enouf | xingu: i figured userland was out of the loop ... sigh .. that makes it more diffucult to get someone to notice and do something |
| 11:16.51 | enouf | difficult* |
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| 11:17.23 | doudou | what is package name to pipe to pastebin? |
| 11:17.34 | enouf | !pastebinit |
| 11:17.34 | dpkg | somebody said pastebinit was a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 11:17.44 | doudou | is there a way to send in paste buffer automaticaly? |
| 11:17.51 | icesword | doudou, heh |
| 11:18.18 | enouf | or ... "/msg dpkg pastebin pipe" |
| 11:18.28 | enouf | or ... "/msg dpkg pastewithoutx" |
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| 11:21.14 | LoveGuru | folken: anyways thanks for all ur help :) still i cant figure out where is the problem :) |
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| 11:21.26 | LoveGuru | i checked almost 2 tutorials but :< no luck |
| 11:21.31 | gansc | hi |
| 11:21.55 | enouf | LoveGuru: firewall issue? tried ##windows? |
| 11:22.10 | jabis | checked almost 2 tutorials made me lol |
| 11:22.20 | LoveGuru | enouf: its not firewall issue :) its samba :) |
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| 11:22.33 | enouf | LoveGuru: cifs? |
| 11:22.50 | LoveGuru | enouf: cifs? |
| 11:22.54 | enouf | LoveGuru: any ACLs or LDAP or Kerberos? |
| 11:23.01 | enouf | !cifs |
| 11:23.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cifs is Common Internet File System or see <SMB>, or it is basically SMB without <NBT> |
| 11:23.04 | LoveGuru | enouf nope! |
| 11:23.18 | LoveGuru | no acls kerberos |
| 11:23.20 | fafnir0 | When I run "uname -a" I see (among much other information) that my system is of type "amd64". Is there a command that prints the system type? |
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| 11:23.28 | doudou | http://pastebin.ca/1289230, i put lspci -vv >> lasa when it works, and lscpi -vv >> lasa when it is disabled |
| 11:23.35 | fafnir0 | uname -p does not work |
| 11:23.49 | enouf | echo $MACHINE_TYPE ? |
| 11:23.56 | doudou | now it is disabled |
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| 11:24.02 | enouf | dpkg --print-architecture ? |
| 11:24.03 | dpkg | enouf: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 11:24.09 | enouf | uname -m ? |
| 11:24.21 | enouf | lsb_release -a ? |
| 11:25.15 | enouf | sorry - i meant $MACHTYPE |
| 11:25.19 | LoveGuru | enouf: anyways thanks for the help.. well im not in mood to do anything now.. really tired.. im doing stuff since 8:00pm now its 5:25am |
| 11:25.46 | enouf | LoveGuru: i hear ya ... |
| 11:25.49 | LoveGuru | my eyes.. o_O |
| 11:25.57 | LoveGuru | anways laters |
| 11:25.59 | doudou | how to pipe into the buffer of xserver? you know when i put in blank a part of xterm, i am able to paste it somewhere else using click of both buttons of mouse |
| 11:25.59 | LoveGuru | bye for now |
| 11:26.01 | LoveGuru | thanks again |
| 11:26.08 | enouf | np ;-) |
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| 11:26.28 | LoveGuru | folken: thankyou dude :) takecare |
| 11:27.37 | xingu | doudou: that pastebin is empty here? |
| 11:27.48 | enouf | xingu: same here |
| 11:27.54 | enouf | no posts to display |
| 11:28.09 | enouf | general pastebin - no posts to display |
| 11:28.10 | doudou | Is there a linux distrib, that get rid of bash and put all shell programming in python? |
| 11:28.29 | enouf | focus .... focus |
| 11:28.43 | doudou | xingu, i am sorry i did not understand the meaning of pastebin, lastweek i send it in pastebin.ca |
| 11:28.45 | jelly | hocus pocus |
| 11:29.09 | enouf | ahhh .. nice one - yodelling and all |
| 11:29.47 | xingu | doudou: the link you pasted (which should have had lspci -vv output in it) had no data |
| 11:29.55 | jelly | for yodeling, consult Her From The Cranberries |
| 11:30.14 | fafnir0 | enouf: I'm searching for a portable solution that will work with as many systems as possible. "uname -m" gives the wrong result (x86_64), dpkg --print-architecture could be what I need |
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| 11:31.00 | EugenMayer | iam using the java-package to install suns java SDK. Which file do i need to download from sun? java EE SDK ? |
| 11:31.10 | enouf | jelly-home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGaVUApDVuY :-) |
| 11:31.12 | xingu | fafnir0: that's usually the go, yes (if the goal is to derive _debian_ arch on the target) |
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| 11:32.07 | xingu | fafnir0: the amd64 thing is an unfortunate historical mistake; doubly so in the post-x86+x86_64-kernel-arch-merge world. |
| 11:32.34 | enouf | w00h00 .. early morning rockin-n-rollin babay :-) |
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| 11:32.39 | gsamsa | i'm using lenny, and i want to force the installation of a package from sid. |
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| 11:32.52 | enouf | !why amd64 |
| 11:32.53 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 11:33.35 | enouf | gsamsa: /msg dpkg ssb ... or just install it -depending on dependencies needed |
| 11:33.51 | xingu | enouf: smarter to spend the effort on true multiarch instead |
| 11:34.02 | enouf | xingu: big concur |
| 11:34.40 | enouf | xingu: i think we need to siphon off these bloated DE devs and put their efforts to better use ;-) |
| 11:34.46 | xingu | laughs |
| 11:35.43 | gsamsa | didn't get it |
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| 11:35.51 | enouf | ahhh .. accordian :-) |
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| 11:36.01 | enouf | !tell gsamsa about ssb |
| 11:36.21 | xfel | Hi. How do I add a "virtual ethernet device"? I woule like to have a second ip address on a single nic but with a seprate mac address. Is TAP the way to go? |
| 11:36.52 | xingu | xfel: you're confusing network and datalink |
| 11:37.00 | mythomaniac | anyone here versed in dvtm here? |
| 11:37.10 | xingu | xfel: if you want multiplexed datalink, you need something like vlan |
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| 11:37.50 | doudou | sorry, i made pastebin.ca do not work, http://pastebin.com/m59c9536d |
| 11:38.00 | doudou | they are the same |
| 11:38.04 | xfel | xingu: Ok, thanks Ill have a look at that and see if I can figure it out. (Still not sure which part is called what :) ) |
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| 11:39.12 | Shadowcat | anyone in here a liberal user of realtek nics in a server environment? |
| 11:39.24 | Shadowcat | trying to decide whether I should buy realtek or Intel |
| 11:39.54 | xingu | doudou: there's no way your bios would be influencing that device; I think the issue lies elsewhere - does the working case have in addition an "intel hda audio" pci peripheral? |
| 11:40.01 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/mec1cfc3 lspci-vv as root working |
| 11:40.07 | doudou | i reboot |
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| 11:41.17 | enouf | doudou: ouch .. and thanks for posting .. however, if you feel like continuing to investigate, compare /var/log/{dmesg,syslog,kern.log,messages} ... try lshw, dmidecode, hwinfo .. and er .. cat /proc/iomem, cat /proc/interrupts, cat /proc/ioports |
| 11:41.20 | xingu | enouf: guessing that the ati hdmi audio needs to be routed _via_ the onboard hda part |
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| 11:41.49 | enouf | xingu: aye .. Chipset enabling via default for all other functions to work |
| 11:41.57 | xingu | enouf: ie, that the ati part purely recieves lpcm generated by the hda controller |
| 11:42.13 | xingu | enouf: could easily be wrong though |
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| 11:43.26 | xingu | heh, a whole x4 lane for audio? |
| 11:43.30 | enouf | xingu: i wish i knew more to make better comments, i'm a bit perplexed by this behaviour, between enabled/disabled - something must be different than just a parsing of userland and alsalib to notify one that the Audio is Disabled in the BIOS ffs |
| 11:43.32 | xingu | holywtf batman |
| 11:43.39 | enouf | haha |
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| 11:43.48 | Shadowcat | speaking of x4 lanes |
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| 11:43.51 | enouf | PCIe x4? w00h00 |
| 11:43.58 | Shadowcat | anyone have any success running x4 nics in x16 slots? |
| 11:44.01 | Shadowcat | and if so which boards? |
| 11:44.06 | enouf | i bet it's PCIe 2.0 spec as well |
| 11:44.15 | doudou | lscpi -vv as root bios disabled http://pastebin.com/m4b0a24a4 |
| 11:44.28 | enouf | Shadowcat: you should be able to - no probs |
| 11:44.52 | Shadowcat | enouf: according to certain websites some bioses have another opinion of the matter |
| 11:44.59 | Shadowcat | enouf: basically, I'm gonna build a router |
| 11:45.03 | enouf | Shadowcat: although ,. if the chipset is somehow tying into video only area of chipset processing, i can see issues |
| 11:45.17 | xingu | doudou: can you capture the _full_ lspci -vv rather than just clipping it to the ati hdmi controller? |
| 11:45.18 | Shadowcat | yeah, it's gonna be a board with integrated graphics |
| 11:45.26 | Shadowcat | I'm not sticking a gpu onto a router |
| 11:45.39 | xingu | doudou: what I suspect is that the bios option is turning on and off the _onboard_ hda controller |
| 11:46.14 | Shadowcat | xingu: this is the board I'm considering |
| 11:46.15 | Shadowcat | http://www.trustedreviews.com/motherboards/review/2008/08/07/Intel-DG45ID/p1 |
| 11:46.16 | xingu | Shadowcat: use it as an excuse to treat yourself to a 10GigE controller :) |
| 11:46.24 | doudou | ok |
| 11:46.36 | Shadowcat | I don't need a 10GigE controller |
| 11:46.42 | Shadowcat | I need a box that can handle vpn |
| 11:46.46 | xingu | oh go on, everyone needs one |
| 11:46.48 | Shadowcat | vpn, dns, and nat |
| 11:46.55 | Shadowcat | xingu: not for 28 clients |
| 11:47.01 | Shadowcat | I need a box that's solid and that'll work |
| 11:47.06 | xingu | 28 1000base clients? :) |
| 11:47.17 | Shadowcat | point taken |
| 11:47.22 | Shadowcat | and ya, 28 macbooks |
| 11:47.50 | Shadowcat | although I have no idea as to how I'm gonna sticka 10gigE into that board |
| 11:47.51 | xingu | Shadowcat: no direct experience, like the man says it "should" work |
| 11:48.11 | Shadowcat | I'll stick with the gigabit controller for now |
| 11:48.14 | enouf | Desktop Board? hrm .. |
| 11:48.21 | xingu | Shadowcat: if not there's companies out there that sell what they call pcie risers but are actually just dumb/passive plug+socket pairs |
| 11:48.35 | Shadowcat | enouf: I'm not building a xeon router |
| 11:48.43 | Shadowcat | that would just be a waste of computing power |
| 11:48.45 | enouf | i'd be real leary of it playing nice with non-traditional usage ;-) |
| 11:48.46 | xingu | Shadowcat: failing that - usb2! :) |
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| 11:49.08 | Shadowcat | hell even the Core 2 Duo I'm gonna stick in there is OVERKILL |
| 11:49.08 | Shadowcat | major |
| 11:49.16 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/m37f94b61 working |
| 11:49.26 | swankier | how would I get a modern fuse/gluster running in sarge? |
| 11:49.28 | Shadowcat | the ideal situation would be for me to get an althon 64 3200 from somewhere |
| 11:49.38 | Shadowcat | but I doubt the company has those lying around |
| 11:49.39 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/m37f94b61 bios disabled |
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| 11:52.07 | enouf | xingu: wow - not a thing different |
| 11:52.18 | enouf | AFAICT |
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| 12:00.45 | enouf | you should use those utils i mentioned and run them as root and for ex; "dmidecode > temp1" (enabled) and "dmidecode > temp2" (Disabled) , then just "diff -q temp1 temp2" (quick way to see if any diffs exists - then if so, we can move further into it) .. do the same for lshw and hwinfo |
| 12:00.58 | enouf | oh - he/she left |
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| 12:01.28 | Shadowcat | stop scaring them off enouf |
| 12:01.45 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/m3d26018a bios enabled working |
| 12:02.01 | enouf | for some reason - i feel dmesg output would be different |
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| 12:02.36 | enouf | doudou: hi - let me send you what i wrote (and sent into channel) when you were offline - in pm, ok? |
| 12:02.53 | doudou | ok |
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| 12:03.07 | adam33 | attach oftc |
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| 12:03.37 | anilg | anyone know what paramters to pass or config file to edit so installing a package wont ask |
| 12:03.53 | anilg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.54 | anilg | ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. |
| 12:03.54 | anilg | What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) |
| 12:03.57 | enouf | anilg: ask what? debconf |
| 12:04.02 | doudou | tell me again how to send with a pipe to paste buffer of xserver or to pastebin directly |
| 12:04.04 | anilg | and just take the default |
| 12:04.38 | enouf | echo y | sudo apt-get install pkgname (<-- cheap hack as a workaround) :-P |
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| 12:05.39 | enouf | try dpkg-reconfigure debconf .. but certain pkgs might always ask . depending on if they're conffiles or if certain services are running .. not sure |
| 12:05.39 | anilg | no.. this goes into an autobuilder.. so I'm looking for a config change or argument to pass |
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| 12:05.45 | datenritter | is there a channel to discuss Xorg-problems e.g. vga-recognition? |
| 12:05.53 | enouf | man debconf |
| 12:06.11 | datenritter | we're having a system here which works with 2 out of three monitors on startup, but after a "zap" all 3 monitors work. |
| 12:06.34 | dtcrshr | [datenritter]: from nothing? any logs? |
| 12:06.36 | enouf | datenritter: well .. is the issue debian-specific? |
| 12:06.48 | anilg | thanks anyway |
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| 12:07.03 | datenritter | enouf: well, yes. |
| 12:07.07 | enouf | datenritter: if not try #xorg, #xorg-devel .. if debian-specific - try the debian-x mailing list |
| 12:07.13 | datenritter | enouf: or actually: i don't know. |
| 12:07.19 | datenritter | yeah, i will ask there |
| 12:07.41 | enouf | datenritter: are you aware of the utils gtf and cvt ? are you using Lenny? |
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| 12:08.39 | datenritter | enouf: testing, proprietary nvidia-module, unaware of those utils |
| 12:08.44 | datenritter | should work on start |
| 12:08.58 | datenritter | works after a simple zap (xserver-reset - alt-strg-backspace) |
| 12:09.10 | jabis | http://naurunappula.com/32866/wife-deb.jpg I tolly lol'd |
| 12:09.58 | EgS | datenritter: do your graphicscards have a tv-out? I had an issue once where the X decided to display stuff on tv out randomly instead on vga. there was a setting to force the order |
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| 12:10.50 | datenritter | EgS: sounds similar to our problem. but IIRC (i'm not in front of the box right now) there was no tv-out. |
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| 12:11.18 | enouf | datenritter: testing == lenny (for now) ... and for nvidia issues please ask #nvidia, ##linux .. or similar, not debian-x , .. thanks - |
| 12:11.35 | datenritter | oh, #nvidia sounds good :-) |
| 12:11.37 | datenritter | thx |
| 12:11.56 | enouf | yeah - binary blobs are out of our hands .. literally ;-) |
| 12:12.20 | doudou | haha all is fuck |
| 12:12.35 | doudou | seems i need to reboot |
| 12:13.08 | doudou | enouf, all is killed, no more bash no more anything |
| 12:13.28 | enouf | doudou: wha happened? |
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| 12:14.05 | doudou | lshw hang, i stop it and then ls command not found and so one |
| 12:14.28 | enouf | EgS: your issue (if using the X drivers) could likely be resolved using xrandr to force settings (in Lenny / Sid) |
| 12:14.29 | doudou | this is the last running program until i quit |
| 12:14.36 | doudou | you killed me |
| 12:14.40 | doudou | arghhhh |
| 12:14.58 | doudou | i should have told you i was a girl |
| 12:15.00 | enouf | doudou: lshw shouldn't hang .. are you on Etch? |
| 12:15.09 | enouf | haha ... wth? ;-) |
| 12:15.12 | doudou | yes etch |
| 12:15.16 | EgS | enouf: ah interessting, I used a special nvidia setting back then that determined the order |
| 12:15.17 | avu | suspects that doudou is a troll |
| 12:15.37 | enouf | ok - well - sorry .. it shouldn't hang .. it'll take some time to scan, and output to file, but .. |
| 12:16.26 | jabis | enouf killed a girl, nao that should be punishable by death :P |
| 12:16.28 | doudou | i understand what happenned it hangs whith scsi test, my system is on usb card |
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| 12:16.32 | enouf | EgS: you can follow up on the xrandr ways if you /msg dpkg dual monitors (if you care and want to know more about it) |
| 12:17.03 | doudou | if i reboot i leave this world for ever, i want a read only system, |
| 12:17.07 | datenritter | wow, a debianess. :-) |
| 12:17.08 | doudou | thanks for the fun |
| 12:17.12 | doudou | i will be back |
| 12:17.44 | doudou | maybe i am not hurt |
| 12:18.24 | EgS | enouf: the box became headless in the meantime and I'm working only using my notebook, so honestly: nope, but thanks :) |
| 12:19.10 | enouf | np |
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| 12:21.00 | EugenMayer | how would i properly set JAVA_HOME to a specifc path on a debian system ( for all users ) |
| 12:21.49 | Will-o-the-Wisp | EugenMayer, write it in /etc/profile |
| 12:22.28 | EugenMayer | Will-o-the-Wisp: i did that, but it had no effect |
| 12:22.44 | EugenMayer | http://wiki.debian.org/FunambolInstallation |
| 12:22.48 | EugenMayer | anything newer then that? |
| 12:23.04 | enouf | EugenMayer: try update-java-alternatives? |
| 12:23.09 | EugenMayer | i mean, as far as i can see, sun-jdk can now be install through the portage |
| 12:23.21 | EugenMayer | enouf: hmm..one second |
| 12:23.51 | EugenMayer | enouf: wow, thank yuo |
| 12:24.05 | enouf | np |
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| 12:24.57 | enouf | !tell EugenMayer about java-alternatives |
| 12:25.02 | EugenMayer | enouf: oh, wrong shell. That one was for my ubuntu not the server. My debian machine seem not to have update-java-alternatives |
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| 12:25.21 | enouf | it should .. unless .. it's in Lenny and up .. not sure |
| 12:25.30 | EugenMayer | etch |
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| 12:25.53 | enouf | crap |
| 12:25.56 | EugenMayer | there is only a java-alternatives |
| 12:25.56 | enouf | !tell EugenMayer about java alternatives |
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| 12:26.14 | EugenMayer | oh..thank you a lot :) |
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| 12:26.57 | enouf | judd: versions java-common |
| 12:26.58 | judd | enouf: java-common -- etch: 0.25 lenny: 0.30 sid: 0.30 |
| 12:27.09 | enouf | that's the pkg i see it in |
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| 12:27.35 | doudou | no problem, no miracle, simply lshw block scsi driver then system on usb stick hangs |
| 12:28.15 | enouf | doudou: system on usb stick? are you talking about separate installations? |
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| 12:29.13 | doudou | enouf, i have no hdd : too much noise, all is on a usbstick yes |
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| 12:30.02 | enouf | doudou: that wouldn't be attached through a usb 1.1 port, would it ? :-) |
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| 12:30.35 | doudou | enouf, i dont know if it can work on usb 1.1 port, i suppose yes, i did this a long time ago |
| 12:30.49 | doudou | of course now all is usb2 |
| 12:30.52 | enouf | oh wait - the motherboard is new ? |
| 12:30.57 | enouf | aye |
| 12:31.05 | doudou | yes it is p5k asus |
| 12:31.08 | enouf | yeah - your lspci shows it |
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| 12:32.58 | doudou | what option of diff did you said? |
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| 12:33.55 | doudou | i have no fan with this mb only a big one with alim and i cant hear it, graphic card have no fan |
| 12:34.35 | doudou | i am makeing the diff of the dmesg, tell me again what diff -? |
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| 12:34.53 | doudou | hwinfo works well |
| 12:35.12 | stevil | one of my servers seems to have reached the limit of maximum tcp connections , how can i dubble check if this is the case? currenlty i'm seeing it because this server, doesn't open a connection on my port 8080 every couple of seconds |
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| 12:36.26 | CAiRO | how can i pin packages with local origin so packages from the online repository do not override my local packages? |
| 12:37.02 | CAiRO | i have this right now, but it doesnt work: Package: * \n Pin: origin /var/lib/dpkg/status \n Pin-Priority: 600 |
| 12:37.02 | enouf | doudou: diff -q file1 file2 (for quick yes/no, if there are diffs) |
| 12:37.14 | enouf | doudou: man diff ;-) |
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| 12:38.12 | doudou | diff -q dmesg.enabled dmesg.disabled -> files differ !! |
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| 12:38.57 | W3b3r_ | Hello guys |
| 12:39.03 | enouf | doudou: yep .. ok .. now, i guess we can filter out the diffs .. let's see |
| 12:39.51 | doudou | did you try man diff? |
| 12:40.01 | W3b3r_ | APT have a packet to use the firefox and thunderbird oficial banding? |
| 12:40.06 | W3b3r_ | branding* |
| 12:40.44 | doudou | there was a contest to know what packages are popular, should be a contest to know what people expect from commands and print in some doc the answers to the most popular request |
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| 12:42.40 | doudou | it there a linux distribution that have suppressed bash and all bash programming to some object language? |
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| 12:44.05 | myeggo | hello to all - how can i change the date and hour from console? |
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| 12:44.56 | enouf | doudou: try diff -du file1 file2 .. if it seems legible, pastebin it ;-) |
| 12:45.20 | enouf | !tell doudou about popcon |
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| 12:46.17 | enouf | W3b3r_: does Debian have firefox? no, we have Iceweasel, Icedove, etc |
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| 12:46.33 | doudou | http://popcon.debian.org/ |
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| 12:46.51 | enouf | doudou: about OOP, ask in those various channels |
| 12:47.12 | neoice | is there a group that allows non-root users to alter network settings? |
| 12:47.57 | W3b3r_ | enouf, yes I know |
| 12:48.11 | W3b3r_ | enouf, but how I can use the oficial branding? |
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| 12:49.47 | jelly | doudou: why? |
| 12:50.14 | enouf | W3b3r_: why? i guess just install firefox |
| 12:50.40 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/m5c8da487 |
| 12:51.00 | jelly | doudou: (the why is about <doudou> it there a linux distribution that have suppressed bash and all bash programming to some object language?) |
| 12:51.19 | enouf | neoice: not that i'm aware of - non-root can see settings, /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 12:51.52 | Doctor-Steve | Statd fails on bootup |
| 12:51.56 | Doctor-Steve | what do i do to make it work? |
| 12:52.06 | W3b3r_ | apt-get install firefox OR apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 12:52.10 | W3b3r_ | don't works |
| 12:52.10 | doudou | why why? why using bash? bath is too old, let the youngs take place |
| 12:52.21 | W3b3r_ | because he tell me to install iceweasel |
| 12:52.31 | neoice | enouf: but non-root cant see everything under iwconfig |
| 12:52.32 | petemc | so avu was right, doudou is a troll |
| 12:52.58 | W3b3r_ | or you are saying to download the .tgz of the oficial site and install it? |
| 12:53.02 | petemc | W3b3r_: iceweasel is firefox, with a different picture |
| 12:53.10 | doudou | speakin of trolls is a real troll attitude |
| 12:53.24 | petemc | double talkin jive? |
| 12:53.31 | W3b3r_ | peleg, yes, I know, but I want to put the oficial picture |
| 12:53.31 | kunwon1 | lol |
| 12:53.43 | CAiRO | oh dear, "Pin: release a=now" did the trick.. who should have known that? |
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| 12:56.01 | enouf | <W3b3r_> or you are saying to download the .tgz of the oficial site and install it? <== yes, if you must |
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| 12:56.41 | enouf | doudou: so - you seemed to need real help about your soundcard - and you've reverted to trolling now? great |
| 12:56.44 | jimpy | wats wrong with iceweasel? |
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| 12:58.05 | doudou | enouf, my sound card is okay, i supposed linux need help to be able toknow when a card is enabled or disabled in bios |
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| 12:58.52 | doudou | what is trolling? asking a non-bash system? could name it Lennonbash ? |
| 12:59.13 | W3b3r_ | enouf, to help the windows->linux migration |
| 12:59.43 | W3b3r_ | enouf, because the most of that peoples uses the Firefox windows version |
| 12:59.48 | enouf | W3b3r_: that's nice ... carry on |
| 13:00.22 | enouf | W3b3r_: newsflash : on the whole, users suck ass |
| 13:00.45 | W3b3r_ | enouf, haha |
| 13:01.10 | enouf | W3b3r_: just take a look at doudou ;-) |
| 13:01.40 | doudou | debian wont help to migrate from windows to linux |
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| 13:01.41 | swankier | so I have a remote box that was sarge, that I just did a dist-upgrade to etch on... |
| 13:01.45 | swankier | and it's not coming back up |
| 13:01.47 | swankier | it's a remote box... |
| 13:01.53 | doudou | that is too painfull |
| 13:02.02 | swankier | but I have someone going to check it out |
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| 13:02.09 | swankier | what sorts of things could have went wrong? |
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| 13:02.10 | enouf | doudou: but you are correct, i think something needs to be done about that - as far as kernel printk messages to let the user know he's an idiot and hasn't gone through his BIOS setup |
| 13:02.12 | swankier | I figure |
| 13:02.18 | swankier | 1) stuck on shutdown |
| 13:02.28 | swankier | 2) stuck at grub |
| 13:02.36 | swankier | 3) network config failed |
| 13:02.36 | doudou | what will help is a simplier system, with firefox and few features, like some laptop vendors ship |
| 13:02.37 | swankier | what else? |
| 13:03.06 | doudou | you a minideb os |
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| 13:04.09 | enouf | doudou: if you'd really like to help consider emailing the alsa people, join alsa channels, and let the kern devs know what has occured and how it should be more verbose and spit out useful messages |
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| 13:06.15 | peppe | doudou: if your card is disabled in the bios cmos, its device isn't even seen by the kernel. why do you expect the kernel to tell you that it's disabled? |
| 13:06.45 | enouf | swankier: there's a procedure to follow - 1st you were supposed to get sarge as upgraded as possible, using ado as a mirror, then upgrade to etch |
| 13:06.58 | doudou | the pbly know the problem, and probably wont loose time reading my text considering that could countain errors, and they pbly right |
| 13:07.02 | enouf | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 13:07.02 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support ended on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
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| 13:07.46 | swankier | oh... wow... |
| 13:07.48 | swankier | nice. |
| 13:08.02 | swankier | the three tutorials I read said it was as easy as dist-upgrade |
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| 13:08.27 | doudou | i was saying that there is a big problem with naming, you forget that time of birth is as important as name |
| 13:08.48 | swankier | is debian.org down? |
| 13:09.06 | doudou | the tutorials mainly omit the date they were writen ... |
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| 13:10.44 | jelly | doudou: [getting rid of shell scripting] one would have to consider the downsides and upsides of replacing a highly entrenched component like that; I personally have not seen such an experiment. |
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| 13:11.36 | gsamsa | how do i find out which charset i'm using ? |
| 13:12.03 | petemc | echo $LANG |
| 13:12.04 | enouf | gsamsa: locale ? |
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| 13:12.09 | enouf | oh, duh |
| 13:12.12 | doudou | jelly, i tried to read rc.d and starting process of debian, you must admit that the logic of the thing is very difficult to understand with tools like bash |
| 13:12.19 | enouf | and $LANGUAGE on some |
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| 13:12.36 | jelly | shrugs |
| 13:12.49 | petemc | doudou: what is easier to read than bash? |
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| 13:12.58 | jelly | petemc: almost anything! |
| 13:13.04 | petemc | really? |
| 13:13.06 | petemc | how so? |
| 13:13.07 | jelly | yes. |
| 13:13.20 | doudou | i suppose python, and object programmming |
| 13:13.21 | jimpy | Bash is one of the most efficient tools ive ever used |
| 13:13.22 | d-b | its colourful ? |
| 13:13.32 | jelly | petemc: bash only has a small number of primitives and syntactis sugar |
| 13:13.46 | enouf | peppe: well, it seems that lspci and most others are seeing his onboard hda ati soundcard even though it's disabled in the bios |
| 13:13.47 | petemc | that doesnt mean its hard to read |
| 13:13.57 | petemc | if you want to do programming, dont use bash |
| 13:14.02 | jelly | petemc: it means it's hard to express onself |
| 13:14.03 | petemc | (like the freenx guy) |
| 13:14.23 | petemc | but there are plenty of places it makes sense to use shell scripts |
| 13:14.27 | doudou | i undesrtand that industry need to have people able to maintain old systems, and that people who spent time to learn prefer to keep this knowledge actual, but seems that all this is too too old |
| 13:14.32 | petemc | and when you do, they're easy to read |
| 13:14.34 | peppe | enouf: very strange. but does it work? |
| 13:14.40 | jelly | doudou: I think you're complaining of /bin/sh, though, not bash. |
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| 13:15.08 | petemc | doudou: maybe you should use plan9 |
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| 13:15.29 | jelly | doudou: it's old, and it works well enough. The cost of replacing a well known system with an untested replacement will likely be high. |
| 13:15.34 | kunwon1 | bash is easy, but it took me a long time to come to terms with the word 'esac' |
| 13:15.35 | enouf | peppe: when disabled? no |
| 13:15.56 | doudou | jelly i complain about rc.d and S10... stuff written with bash scripts, where the logic is mixed with directories structure and is a mess |
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| 13:16.03 | jelly | doudou: backward compability pays off. Ask Microsoft. |
| 13:16.07 | enouf | peppe: and so far, the only sign it's disabled is an alsamixer error ... no device found :-P |
| 13:16.22 | petemc | doudou: there are replacements for sysv |
| 13:16.28 | enouf | peppe: some new funky ASUS ati chipset mobo thingy |
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| 13:16.32 | jelly | doudou: oh. There already are replacements for sysvinit. |
| 13:16.46 | enouf | !tell doudou about file-rc |
| 13:17.19 | doudou | what is simpliest? is there something in python? |
| 13:17.19 | unixSnob | Do debian users have to hack the /etc/init.d/openvpn script? |
| 13:17.21 | jelly | presonally finds the idea of runlevels highly awkward |
| 13:17.21 | peppe | enouf: well, a crapbios isn't linux fault :P |
| 13:17.27 | enouf | doudou: might want to also look at the insserv pkgs |
| 13:17.32 | enouf | peppe: right! |
| 13:18.01 | unixSnob | README.Debian for openvpn says not to specify the 'writepid' option.. but the init.d script specifies it |
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| 13:18.28 | enouf | peppe: some sort of pci quirk needs to be implemented probably .. |
| 13:18.38 | enouf | some pnp crapola related |
| 13:18.46 | jelly | doudou: also, you don't want your booting process to have many dependencies |
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| 13:19.02 | doudou | i would ike to only need to know, python because i feel python very friendly, and say filesystem, and linux kernel, thats all to run a system, is this available? is some project work on this? |
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| 13:19.34 | enouf | doudou: you might like something like the danix.org project .. not sure |
| 13:19.40 | peppe | enouf: well, maybe updating the bios should remove this issue |
| 13:20.05 | enouf | peppe: heh .. it requires DOS! :-P (likely) |
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| 13:20.25 | doudou | jelly i dont want this mess of packages, of compilation features, each package release sources compilable with special system, i want to get rid of all this to something new and modern |
| 13:20.31 | enouf | peppe: and why? you think ASUS cares what the linux kernel does? :-P |
| 13:21.00 | jelly | doudou: don't use a GNU(/Linux) system then, this one is supposed to be all unixy-like |
| 13:21.02 | enouf | doudou: maybe you're after .. windows :-P |
| 13:21.22 | enouf | or .. even Apple |
| 13:21.49 | jelly | there was one Linux based system with "Program Files" like fs setup |
| 13:21.54 | peppe | enouf: unfortunately not, Asus doesn't care about linux working properly on its hardware |
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| 13:22.42 | SlayerXP | peppe: yet Asus produced the EEE, which ships with Linux |
| 13:22.49 | craigevil | doudou: take a look at gobolinux |
| 13:22.54 | SlayerXP | peppe: perhaps you can explain this disparity. |
| 13:23.07 | jelly | craigevil: right! |
| 13:23.08 | peppe | a friend of mine has a asus laptop with a terrible bios bug: the kernel boot freezes if there's an usb device plugged in |
| 13:23.12 | jelly | that's the one |
| 13:23.18 | doudou | enouf, you should consider that windows have something more modern than unix, and even after 10 years, i cant see any project able to use one simple principle : a man can remmember 500 words but can reconize 5000, unix may have 500 commands or more |
| 13:23.20 | enouf | there are newer variants .. i can't recall their silly names doudou - not gobolinux though |
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| 13:23.40 | jelly | doudou: you don't have to remember 500 commands |
| 13:23.46 | enouf | something like Lindows and someone else merged |
| 13:24.13 | kunwon1 | a man can remember 500 words? |
| 13:24.13 | craigevil | xandros bought linspire(lindows) |
| 13:24.37 | jelly | doudou: in fact, you can probably use Gnome or KDE via the menus 80% of the time |
| 13:25.03 | doudou | jelly you need to, and more you need to know from what package they come! |
| 13:25.27 | mythomaniac | kunwon1: only debian distro wroth its salt is the father of them all, debian - end of discussion |
| 13:25.50 | enouf | doudou: well .. i was always a fan of trying to have a set of common parameters options, that always do the same thing , like command -d file (the -d always does the same thing, no matter which command called it) however. you can quickly see letters would need to be replaced by numbers (500+ heh) ... but the real issue is "context" |
| 13:25.58 | peppe | SlayerXP: I haven't an EEE, however 1) of course asus is so big that it can ignore linux on desktop pc and laptops and develop linux on eee 2) afaik the distro shipped on the EEE is filled with custom drivers & things like that, it doesn't look to me a "clean" way to support linux |
| 13:26.03 | kunwon1 | mythomaniac, I'm not arguing with you! :) |
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| 13:26.23 | mythomaniac | brings up the logo of debian and states to kunwon1, "the power of debian compels you" |
| 13:26.29 | craigevil | peppe: debian and msot other distros work just fine on the eee and on the Eee PC |
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| 13:26.43 | doudou | jelly gnome or kde maybe the answer |
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| 13:27.27 | manuvai | hello |
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| 13:27.47 | jelly | doudou: you just need to learn how to search effectively ;-) |
| 13:28.10 | doudou | but my purpose is mastering the system, i must already admit linux kernel is trustable, xserver hurts, firefox hurts too, you says you can read the sources, that means almost nothing today |
| 13:28.42 | manuvai | my /dev/shm directory must clean automticaly, right ? |
| 13:28.44 | jelly | doudou: sorry, can you rephrase that last sentence? |
| 13:29.03 | craigevil | is it sunday already? |
| 13:29.08 | jelly | "mastering the system"? "firefox hurts"? |
| 13:29.19 | doudou | who can beleive he master the code running on his sytem, just for a system running firefox |
| 13:29.21 | md22 | i have installed debian testing and it looks like like has the same apps installed as ubuntu and i am wondering if there is really any difference between both distributions (other than the name) ? |
| 13:29.28 | manuvai | because it stuck to 75% filled |
| 13:29.32 | peppe | craigevil: not with the most recent EEE models, afaik there are problems with wifi or bluetooth stuff, with the webcam, with the hda soundcard, with the wired ethernet, with the webcam... I wouldn't consider this an "out of the box" support |
| 13:29.51 | jelly | doudou: what's your native language? I have trouble parsing your English :-) |
| 13:29.57 | doudou | well i need to migrate to gentoo, first step |
| 13:30.10 | craigevil | peppe: takes a few teaks to get things working, but I have seen people using the newer model with few issues |
| 13:30.19 | peppe | OK, perhaps if you need only to apt-get install an "eeepc" fine-tuned kernel, but that's NOT out-of-the-box (especially if you've no connectivity at all) |
| 13:30.27 | doudou | jelly, ok my english is bad, my native language wont help you because it is bad too |
| 13:30.39 | peppe | craigevil: with ubuntu you've just to add a repository and install a metapackage |
| 13:30.48 | jelly | doudou: there may be a channel with people that can help in your native language |
| 13:31.24 | doudou | jelly i can explain the word that makes it difficult to understand what i mean |
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| 13:32.36 | doudou | any way what is sure, is that linux security i mean root, means nothing if you install so many packages with probably so many bugs with root rights, am i wrong? |
| 13:32.37 | jelly | doudou: eg. I have no idea what you mean by "master the code running on his sytem"... having control of what processes are running? ... are installed? Understanding the code used? |
| 13:33.57 | peppe | I wasn't pointing out if the EEE has good linux support or not --- I was saying that it's not a "good" thing that asus ships them with a lot of out-of-tree drivers, and who is managing to get them into the vanilla kernel isn't asus itself |
| 13:34.28 | doudou | i mean trying to understand what is doing my computer, mastering what is doing what, example portmap is running, dbus is running ... i dont understand why and how |
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| 13:35.56 | doudou | peppe, never linux fought to validate hardware |
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| 13:36.32 | jelly | doudou: you can look at the package dependencies (or try --dry-run removing a package and see what would get removed because of that action); you can also install only the base system and build on top of that. |
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| 13:36.59 | doudou | some day, it was decided that dbus would do nice job, why old ways to do the things failed? why dbus appeared so easily in system? |
| 13:37.36 | maligor | because the old ways were many |
| 13:37.36 | jelly | doudou: ask the authors of the packages that require it |
| 13:37.56 | maligor | often they were specific to a program |
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| 13:38.01 | doudou | if i could read simply why they have be integrated in system? |
| 13:38.04 | enouf | doudou: you should install like slackware 1.0 or something ;-) things were much simpler then :-p |
| 13:38.19 | maligor | dbus is just a generic messaging ... bus |
| 13:38.25 | maligor | and it's pretty simple |
| 13:38.29 | enouf | 9 million lines of code |
| 13:38.31 | enouf | heh |
| 13:38.35 | edwin_quijada | I have my server with 2 nic into 2 differetn networks I have SMTP and POP3 service in this but this just works in one network. How can I do to work in both?> |
| 13:38.45 | maligor | atleast compared to corba and such |
| 13:38.52 | jelly | doudou: that question can be easily answered by trying to remove it -- you'll then see what wants dbus to be installed |
| 13:38.57 | enouf | maligor: are you nuts? have you ever read the dbus-doc ? |
| 13:39.09 | maligor | enouf, have you ever read corba docs? |
| 13:39.20 | maligor | simplicity is always relative :P |
| 13:39.27 | enouf | maligor: answer mine first! |
| 13:39.29 | enouf | :-P |
| 13:39.37 | jelly | makes enouf use Sun RPC |
| 13:39.44 | maligor | it was a while back that I delved into the mysteries of dbus |
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| 13:40.06 | doudou | jelly, that is not so simple, you know that, it is difficult to uninstall things as you cant find names of packages and so one |
| 13:40.09 | enouf | maligor: hey .. i wasn't the one who thought of freedesktop.org and all the intertwined shennanigans needed to make some crapola webcam work for some weenie |
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| 13:40.23 | enouf | :=P |
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| 13:40.31 | jelly | doudou: you can easily find names of packages. |
| 13:40.44 | jelly | !+tell doudou -about search |
| 13:40.44 | dpkg | told doudou about search. |
| 13:41.20 | peppe | edwin_quijada: did you configure the services to bind only to the address of one interface and not to both? |
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| 13:41.39 | maligor | enouf, and you didn't answer if you've ever tried to make sense of CORBA :P |
| 13:41.52 | enouf | maligor: no |
| 13:41.53 | ronr | I'm getting an error on the module-init-tools package, I googled and found some bugreport but that didn't help in fixing it: http://pastebin.com/f2e3483a9 I also tried dpkg -i --force-all directly on the module-init-tools deb, with no luck |
| 13:41.54 | maligor | I actually once tried to read the docs on that |
| 13:42.04 | enouf | maligor: i mean no, i didn't answer :-P |
| 13:42.08 | maligor | it's sort of designed to do everything |
| 13:42.19 | enouf | but really - nope .. why would i? |
| 13:42.32 | maligor | yeah, it doesn't matter anymore with dbus ;) |
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| 13:42.44 | enouf | well .. we all LOVE those be-all end-all solutions .. like the DEs are eh? |
| 13:43.00 | maligor | I do quite like gnome |
| 13:43.07 | enouf | 1 widget to master them all! |
| 13:43.27 | maligor | the master widget eh |
| 13:45.23 | WolvBite | hello all. I need a little help to get some data off a a hard drive that was part of a raid 1 array with 3 partitions and root and swap as part of an lvm.. can anyone help walk me through the steps. I have the hard drive attached through a 1394 and its is listed in my partition software as /dev/sdb. The partitioner also shows the 3 partitions. |
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| 13:46.33 | doudou | well be concrete, i search wcopy, one paste-buffer utility |
| 13:46.57 | doudou | aptitude says nothing (is it failling or what, why no answer) |
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| 13:47.09 | jelly | doudou: did you get the private message from dpkg? |
| 13:47.14 | doudou | apt-cache search ... same apt-cache search paste ... |
| 13:47.23 | doudou | yes i read it |
| 13:47.38 | enouf | ronr: try "apt-get install -f" |
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| 13:48.12 | enouf | ronr: you might need some dpkg-divert magic .. see it's man page - how did you get into this situation? what version of debian? |
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| 13:49.32 | enouf | doudou: the debian-reference (and quick reference even) should be able to answer/help you with most things |
| 13:49.42 | doudou | somebody gave me a link http://www.digipedia.pl/man/wcopy.1x.html |
| 13:49.53 | ronr | enouf: no luck with -f, I'll check the manpage (I'm upgrading a stable - testing mix system to just testing) |
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| 13:50.05 | doudou | enouf, what is debian-reference |
| 13:50.17 | chomwitt | in lenny my xorg.conf file has not a serverlayout section. is there another related file ? |
| 13:50.19 | enouf | !reference |
| 13:50.19 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 13:50.23 | jelly | doudou: it's usual for unix commands to return nothing if there's nothing to return. If you think there was an error, you can check the exit status (echo $? after running a command... 0 means everything went ok) |
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| 13:51.09 | enouf | chomwitt: man xorg.conf and see wiki.x.org - lenny's X does autoconfig now - and find out about xrandr |
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| 13:51.17 | doudou | jelly there is something to return : i did not found package |
| 13:51.19 | cumulus007 | hi, how do I edit a deb file? |
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| 13:51.25 | edwin_quijada | peppe: just for one |
| 13:51.55 | peppe | edwin_quijada: well, that's the problem :) configure them to bind to both |
| 13:52.16 | mhymn_ | cumulus007: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 13:52.22 | doudou | wcopy .... apt-cache search ... paste wcopy wpaste ... |
| 13:52.36 | cumulus007 | mythomaniac: I want to remove a file in the deb package |
| 13:52.47 | ronr | enouf: if I manually try to remove the divert on /sbin/depmod, it gives me the same error (rename involves overwriting ..... ) |
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| 13:52.55 | enouf | doudou: you can also search at pdo for packages |
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| 13:53.04 | doudou | and more, i had the idea of the command, not its name, someone told me wcopy pointer, or i could only ask here |
| 13:53.39 | jaggz | xingu: friend said basically all systems he's put the memory stick into accept it as doublespace |
| 13:53.45 | enouf | ronr: are there pkgs on hold? how about kernel? did you do an update followed by a dist-upgrade? |
| 13:53.47 | doudou | enouf, what is debian-reference, what is pdo? i dont understand you english |
| 13:54.10 | mhymn_ | cumulus007: all i know is you can extract it with dpkg -x |
| 13:54.11 | enouf | doudou: dpkg said what reference is above |
| 13:54.14 | jaggz | well, he didn't know about dblspace.. just said the memory stick worked. in our systems (xp and linux) the raw system files are seen. |
| 13:54.26 | enouf | !tell doudou -about pdo |
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| 13:54.38 | chomwitt | enouf: thanks! (i try a wacom tablet that worked with etch, but in lenny i have that section misson problem) |
| 13:54.42 | cumulus007 | mythomaniac: and how do I compress it again? |
| 13:54.44 | doudou | but i know one thing, it is that google debian search is many many pages answers with old pages giving too old advices |
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| 13:55.11 | enouf | chomwitt: you can look to earlier/older xorg.conf for some samples even |
| 13:55.28 | ronr | enouf: everything is upgraded except module-init-tools and initramfs-tools, I didn't use dist-upgrade but used install <package> do upgrade those upgrade didn't (I guess that shouldn't make a difference) |
| 13:55.52 | superjet_busy | anyone use memories, I failed to run it either lighttpd or apache2, it said failed to connect mysql, and i've made some conf according readme.debian? |
| 13:56.38 | enouf | ronr: to move up from one release to the next, you want to dist-upgrade once you ensure your sources.list is in order - might look at "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
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| 13:57.09 | mhymn_ | cumulus007: that's another story, i guess you're trying to do something incorrectly and of course unnecessary, btw '.deb' is a binary file |
| 13:57.17 | doudou | ok a word about http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages : you dont see the search field when you open it, and as i am use oppening debian pages with so much outdated info i stopped |
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| 13:57.34 | ronr | enouf: I just ran dist-upgrade, makes no differences |
| 13:57.38 | cumulus007 | mhymn_: no? it contains 2 archives |
| 13:57.42 | doudou | but i insists and the i discorer that http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages is same that aptitude search |
| 13:57.53 | mhymn_ | cumulus007: and so? |
| 13:58.00 | enouf | ronr: might try dpkg-reconfigure module-init-tools .. but i don;t know if that one is available, or will work |
| 13:58.15 | doudou | did you saw that almost all sites have their search fild in the top of the page? |
| 13:58.34 | enouf | ronr: but what does your sources.list have in it? pastebin the contents |
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| 13:59.38 | enouf | doudou: what on earth are you babbling about? go to packages.debian.org |
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| 14:01.06 | doudou | You have searched for paths that end with wcopy in suite etch, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 14:01.06 | doudou | Sorry, your search gave no results |
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| 14:01.10 | jabis | one stuupid question, where does gimp get the locale info, I installed with FI_fi, but would need one user in plain english, but gimp show's Finnish translations |
| 14:01.17 | ronr | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m4cfcfaac (the apt.lagos just holds two packages that depend on lots of stuff so i can easilty install systems) |
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| 14:01.42 | jabis | or to be totally precise, how can I set per user locales? |
| 14:01.43 | SPF | what command do I use to move files of a specific type recursively to a specific directory? |
| 14:01.50 | doudou | disconnected from server |
| 14:02.25 | enouf | doudou: right .. so, it's not pkgd in debian yet .. get busy ;-) |
| 14:02.52 | enouf | !tell SPF about using find |
| 14:02.57 | doudou | how do you do to be so confident? i read something about communist activists, staline call them useful idiots, it is strange how we can easily be useful idiots |
| 14:03.19 | enouf | doudou: i call them ... dumbasses ;-) |
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| 14:03.37 | SPF | enouf: find . -name '*txt' | args mv does not work |
| 14:03.49 | SPF | *xargs |
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| 14:04.55 | N3tw0rk | ive done dpkg -P apache2 and then apt-get install apache2 but it will not recreat the config directories....am i missing a step? |
| 14:04.59 | doudou | i have nothing against communism, only against activists, it is so easy to feel sorry |
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| 14:05.58 | zinx | is wondering how it got to 'wcopy isn't packaged' to this... |
| 14:06.10 | zinx | s/ to / from /1 |
| 14:06.13 | mhymn_ | N3tw0rk: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:06.24 | enouf | ronr: well .. how am i to know that apt.lagos isn;t the issue? ... anyway, if it isn't you seem to have a transitional bug .. you could find the .postinst file (of the problem pkg) and add exit 0 to the top just to get it installed, you could look on the Debian BTS .. or you could wait it out |
| 14:06.30 | mhymn_ | N3tw0rk: or you may want to purge and install again |
| 14:06.33 | doudou | is there a dns server that blocks google advertising? where should i ask? |
| 14:06.53 | mhymn_ | doudou: you know what a troll is? |
| 14:07.02 | enouf | doudou: unactive people are walking dead |
| 14:07.13 | enouf | doudou: are you walking dead? |
| 14:07.16 | N3tw0rk | mhymn_: ive done apt-get remove apache2 --purge but then reinstall but it still will not reacreate the /etc/apache2 |
| 14:07.23 | ronr | enouf: I found some things in the BTS but didn't really help much, I'll try your postinst suggestion |
| 14:07.38 | jaggz | how do I repair a wav file.. damn this.. :) |
| 14:07.49 | mhymn_ | N3tw0rk: then confmiss! |
| 14:07.55 | enouf | ronr: it's a nasty little workaround that might come back to biteyou in the behind .. now, or later |
| 14:07.56 | jaggz | someone's pocket recorder (creative) crashed while saving or something.. |
| 14:08.12 | doudou | a troll is somebody saying something irritating and to whom you have no concrete answers to give except you apologize |
| 14:08.21 | N3tw0rk | mhymn_: im trying that now thanks |
| 14:08.26 | ronr | enouf: I understand that.. |
| 14:08.39 | enouf | doudou: we're sorry you're a dumbass :-P |
| 14:08.56 | doudou | but in real word, irritating questions should have answers that stop questions |
| 14:09.22 | enouf | or .. you could just drop bombs on them |
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| 14:09.55 | mhymn_ | doudou: try #debian-offtopic or #debian-chat or #defocus or #whatever or #hell |
| 14:10.41 | doudou | for example, you says you should serach, in fact real world shows that you should sort, but you dont want to admit that so your world seems populated with trolls, admit truth and all will became clear |
| 14:10.56 | jaggz | anyone familiar with sox? I run it with the file format options, on a headerless .wav file, but even with specifying the format options it complains: $ sox -r 16000 -i -c 2 -w -t .wav damaged.wav moo.au |
| 14:10.56 | jaggz | sox: Failed reading damaged.wav: WAVE: RIFF header not found |
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| 14:11.21 | jimpy | N3tw0rk: the config files arent in the package apache2 |
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| 14:11.34 | ronr | enouf: that worked (I only commented the divert stuff in postinst though, hopefully that'll reduce my chances of this biting me later), thx |
| 14:11.45 | enouf | ronr: np |
| 14:11.50 | mhymn_ | jimpy: good point |
| 14:11.56 | N3tw0rk | jimpy: well that makes sense, what package are they in? |
| 14:12.11 | jimpy | N3tw0rk: type this 'apt-get --purge remove apache2.2-common && apt-get install apache2' |
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| 14:12.38 | mhymn_ | and aptitude is your friend |
| 14:12.43 | enouf | !metapackage |
| 14:12.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 14:12.43 | doudou | i still wait knowing what happenend to wcopy or at list the xserver fucking paste buffer |
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| 14:13.23 | enouf | doudou: are you looking for some paster for X buffer? try xclip? or maybe autobuffer? or .. |
| 14:13.26 | jimpy | it is although rather ugly |
| 14:13.37 | jimpy | its an ugly 3'rd wheel friend |
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| 14:13.52 | N3tw0rk | jimpy: thanks that worked ! |
| 14:13.55 | jimpy | ;) |
| 14:14.06 | magesing | Hi everyone... Quick question on graphical browsers: I noticed firefox is not in the lenny repos, but somethign called "iceweasel" is will firefox plugins (such as vimperator) work in iceweasel? |
| 14:14.19 | doudou | enouf, xclip ... seems obvious, part of the 500 words i should know by heart |
| 14:14.24 | enouf | !why iceweasel |
| 14:14.25 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 14:14.45 | enouf | magesing: in short, i don't see why it wouldn't |
| 14:14.57 | jimpy | iceweasel IS firefox just with non-free components removed |
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| 14:15.26 | magesing | jimpy: I see... so I might have some problems getting sun-java or adobe flash to work with it? |
| 14:15.34 | enouf | who knows which plugins or extensions rely on those non-free components? |
| 14:15.48 | jimpy | you shouldnt but you might |
| 14:15.49 | enouf | magesing: you shouldn't .. no |
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| 14:16.05 | enouf | magesing: but there are debian ways for each of those |
| 14:16.14 | magesing | enouf: lol ok, so I'll just install iceweasel and see what happens |
| 14:16.26 | magesing | once I have it installed I'll be able to read up on debian flash etc ;) |
| 14:16.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.24 | jimpy | i think what they mean is iceweasel has removed trademarked mozilla eula's and graphics |
| 14:18.03 | jimpy | the codebase itself is firefox just with dirrerent (no functional) bits |
| 14:18.07 | magesing | aah, so the differences are more political or ideological then practical |
| 14:18.33 | riptide | magesing, well practical too. debian CANT ship software that vioaltes teh DFSG ;-) |
| 14:18.55 | riptide | magesing, to answer your question - yes, ive never had a problem with plugins and iceweasel |
| 14:18.57 | doudou | enouf, xclip is very what i needed |
| 14:19.00 | magesing | riptide: speaking from a user's point of view |
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| 14:19.15 | riptide | magesing, yup, none |
| 14:19.16 | jimpy | if anyones willing to do some research i'd be interested to know |
| 14:19.17 | enouf | doudou: ok, 1 down 499 to go? :-) |
| 14:19.32 | riptide | magesing, im surprised you missed the uproar. /. had a collective orgasm the day this went down :) |
| 14:19.57 | abrotman | riptide: depending how you define "ship", they can |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | (and also violates) |
| 14:20.10 | enouf | they? |
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| 14:20.20 | JC_Denton_ | trying to run update-manage but it crashes on me: SystemError: E:Line 2 too long (max 1024) |
| 14:20.32 | enouf | we? our? them? .... oh . those people .. over there --------------> |
| 14:20.32 | abrotman | JC_Denton_: which version of debian? |
| 14:20.38 | magesing | riptide: lol I'v been living under a rock named gentoo for a long while |
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| 14:21.25 | enouf | JC_Denton_: it would appear there's too many pkgs to upgrade .. try another method |
| 14:21.49 | enouf | JC_Denton_: and answer abrotman 's question |
| 14:22.00 | doudou | http://pastebin.com/d365fd9dd |
| 14:22.08 | JC_Denton_ | enouf, what other method would you suggest? it's actually ubuntu 8.04 |
| 14:22.16 | enouf | ... |
| 14:22.40 | JC_Denton_ | but the guys in ubuntu aren't as hepful, my calls for assistance were ignored |
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| 14:22.53 | enouf | !they don't know |
| 14:22.54 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:23.02 | ronr | !tell JC_Denton_ about ubuntu |
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| 14:23.09 | abrotman | JC_Denton_: ask #ubuntu or ##linux, we cannot help you here |
| 14:23.13 | enouf | JC_Denton_: really - we can't help you here .. it's not debian |
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| 14:24.09 | JC_Denton_ | apologies, a poster on slashdot recommended #debian b/c of its helpfulness and often the solutions were applicable |
| 14:24.10 | mhymn_ | abrotman: you're a real ubuntu diagnosing expert |
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| 14:24.24 | doudou | enouf, consider only the failuure of system to provide an answer to my question |
| 14:24.45 | doudou | *enouf, if you want more users improve this |
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| 14:25.37 | doudou | enouf, maybe do a test, take random unix user, ask him to copy a file in the buffer, see the time needed to acheive this |
| 14:25.37 | Strog_ | hi i wanted to install fluxbox so i downloaded the latest version from fluxbox.org, and i have installed the base system of debian. my question is the following: is there a certain procedure of installing xorg and compiling fluxbox? i mean do i have to compile fluxbox first and then install kde and xorg or the other way around?? |
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| 14:26.05 | enouf | doudou: how about you do it? |
| 14:26.06 | lxn_koz1 | Etch 4.0 has kde 4.2 ? |
| 14:26.10 | doudou | i install a pakage xorg-common |
| 14:26.10 | karme` | is there some reason i can't bind C-w to kill-region using readline? (stays always bound to unix-word-rubout) tried it using bind and ~/.inputrc - any hints? |
| 14:26.17 | mhymn_ | lxn_koz1: not at all |
| 14:26.21 | magesing | Strog_: are you installing fluxbox from source? if so, why? if not, you arn't compiling anything |
| 14:26.26 | ronr | lxn_koz1: kde 4.2 has just been released as beta |
| 14:26.38 | abrotman | JC_Denton_: that doesn't mean that recommender was clueful |
| 14:26.38 | doudou | enouf, i stupidly came to ask here, i must know using of chat |
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| 14:26.39 | Nirkus | anyone has used an eSATA hard drive with debian etch successfully? |
| 14:26.56 | lxn_koz1 | so, which kde ver has etch now ? |
| 14:26.57 | Strog_ | magesing: yes im installing from source cause the debian package is old |
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| 14:27.06 | JC_Denton_ | abrotman: well, it worked for him |
| 14:27.11 | abrotman | JC_Denton_: ask #ubuntu or ##linux, we cannot help you here |
| 14:27.11 | \amethyst | karme: you also need to use stty to make something else your werase character |
| 14:27.12 | magesing | Strog_: makes sense |
| 14:27.13 | doudou | enouf, i must insist, thing a new user will fail to do, considerring He is the failure |
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| 14:27.27 | mhymn_ | lxn_koz1: 3.5.5 |
| 14:27.28 | arcsky | hello anyone used tftpd-hpa ? |
| 14:27.34 | Nirkus | i am traying to use eSATA with an intel ICH9 controller. plz hilight |
| 14:27.39 | ronr | lxn_koz1: if you want 4, there are packages (see kde4.debian.org) |
| 14:27.44 | lxn_koz1 | thanks mhymn_ |
| 14:27.47 | Strog_ | magesing: so is there a sequence of installing procedure? |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | Nirkus: use etchnhalf |
| 14:27.55 | Nirkus | abrotman: i already do |
| 14:28.23 | lxn_koz1 | mhymn_: i want to install debian etch4 on my office desktop |
| 14:28.23 | Nirkus | abrotman: im just getting exceptions and errors, but the drive works fine with windows and directly attached to SATA |
| 14:28.35 | magesing | Strog_: depends on your display manager... Personally I use XDM and I would just put a "exec fluxbox" in my .xsession file to get fluxbox to start when i log in |
| 14:29.00 | lxn_koz1 | we are using Xchange server as mail server |
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| 14:29.02 | enouf | !b-e Strog_ |
| 14:29.02 | dpkg | Strog_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:29.03 | magesing | Strog_: for other display managers there are other steps to get fluxbox to appear in the list of available wms |
| 14:29.49 | lxn_koz1 | im new to Debian, will etch has evolution/thunderbrid that support Xchange Server |
| 14:29.50 | lxn_koz1 | ? |
| 14:29.56 | enouf | Strog_: man update-alternatives ; update-alternatives --config x-[tab[tab]] as root |
| 14:30.02 | doudou | enouf, what is the size of the xserver buffer, how to change it, can i mount it on tmpfs? do you beleive i can find this information with the help of google? |
| 14:30.02 | abrotman | lxn_koz1: via IMAP, yes |
| 14:30.03 | Strog_ | dpkg: i installed that |
| 14:30.04 | dpkg | Strog_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 14:30.16 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 14:30.16 | arcsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.16 | arcsky | udp6 0 0 [::]:tftp [::]:* |
| 14:30.19 | jabis | hmmh, to no avail the changes to my locale settings aren't reflected in other packages, merely the names change in system menu |
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| 14:30.30 | arcsky | how can i change so it will use ipv4? |
| 14:30.53 | enouf | doudou: exact size, i don't know offhand, you can mount almost anything on a tmpfs .. and yes, google can help |
| 14:30.58 | Strog_ | dpkg: i installed build-essential and all the other tools |
| 14:30.59 | dpkg | Strog_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 14:31.06 | lxn_koz1 | abrotman: many thanks. so, i can confidently install debian etch on my desktop right? |
| 14:31.32 | Strog_ | dpkg: what i did, installed all the nececary tools for building from source |
| 14:31.34 | dpkg | Strog_: You are moron #29 |
| 14:31.40 | enouf | Strog_: dpkg here, is the channel bot .. dpkg on your system is the low-level pkg manager |
| 14:31.48 | doudou | Strog_ i installed aptitude install fluxbox but i need install xorg-common package too, there is a #fluxbox channel |
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| 14:32.12 | abrotman | lxn_koz1: if you have IMAP access |
| 14:32.19 | masak | how do I install an ncurses library? I'm on Etch. |
| 14:32.29 | Strog_ | doudou: i just wanted to ask cause when i installed kdm there is no session entry for fluxbox |
| 14:32.31 | Strog_ | that is y |
| 14:32.34 | enouf | lib-ncurses5-dev ? |
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| 14:32.40 | enouf | er |
| 14:32.42 | enouf | libncurses5-dev ? |
| 14:32.46 | masak | enouf: I'll try that. |
| 14:32.49 | mhymn_ | dev? |
| 14:32.53 | enouf | judd versions libncurses5-dev ? |
| 14:32.53 | judd | enouf: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 14:33.01 | lxn_koz1 | abrotman: i dnt know much about that, i think Xchange use LDAP |
| 14:33.20 | abrotman | ldap or imap ? |
| 14:33.26 | \amethyst | lxn_koz1: is Outlook Web Access enabled? |
| 14:33.28 | masak | enouf: yup, that worked. thanks! |
| 14:33.33 | lxn_koz1 | yes. |
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| 14:33.35 | doudou | Strog_ i do not use kdm, i installed debian base, then xorg-common package and the fluxbox and it is enought to run startx if i remmember well |
| 14:33.39 | enouf | judd versions libncurses5-dev |
| 14:33.39 | judd | enouf: libncurses5-dev -- etch: 5.5-5 lenny: 5.6+20080830-2 sid: 5.7+20081213-1 |
| 14:33.42 | karme | \amethyst: ah - thanks - after using stty werase undef; bind '"\C-w":kill-region' it works |
| 14:33.44 | enouf | yep |
| 14:33.46 | \amethyst | lxn_koz1: then evolution-exchange might be what you're looking for |
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| 14:33.59 | lxn_koz1 | abrotman: exactly |
| 14:34.00 | enouf | mhymn_: needed for kernel menuconfig |
| 14:34.18 | Strog_ | doudou: you install fluxbox or xorg-common first |
| 14:34.28 | lxn_koz1 | abrotman: i Also want to filter my mails.. |
| 14:34.46 | d-b | !spam |
| 14:34.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), razor, crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt, <list spam>. |
| 14:34.56 | doudou | Strog, fluxbox first and it do not launch until i install xorg-common pacakge |
| 14:34.56 | d-b | sorry wrong one. |
| 14:35.10 | lxn_koz1 | \amethyst: yes, exaclty |
| 14:35.10 | mhymn_ | enouf: no, i mean isn't the 'libncurses5' enough? |
| 14:35.33 | d-b | lxn_koz1: you can do it manually grep iwantthismail /var/mail/foo |
| 14:35.38 | enouf | Strog_: you likely just want to install the xorg pkg (it's a metapackage) |
| 14:35.41 | \amethyst | mhymn_: what do you need it for? |
| 14:35.49 | enouf | mhymn_: i think not ... IIRC |
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| 14:35.58 | lxn_koz1 | d-b: lol |
| 14:36.02 | jabis | any help on the locale setting would be hot :) |
| 14:36.04 | doudou | Strog, exact name is xserver-xorg-core |
| 14:36.26 | lxn_koz1 | d-b: how that will help, pls explain |
| 14:36.36 | mhymn_ | \amethyst: nothing really, was a question about libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev |
| 14:36.50 | doudou | Strog, fluxbox is minimalist |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | lxn_koz1: part of that may be done on the exchange server, otherwise, use a client like evolution or icedove that can assisty ou |
| 14:37.01 | jabis | I've set the locale to english, the system default is finnish, now the program menu is english, but when the application starts, it uses system default :/ |
| 14:37.05 | d-b | use sed and awk /foo |
| 14:37.11 | d-b | or just use mutt ^^ |
| 14:37.12 | \amethyst | mhymn_: you need the latter when you're compiling or linking a program that uses ncurses |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | d-b: how is he going to use grep on the exchange server? |
| 14:37.38 | d-b | oh sorry i missed that |
| 14:37.45 | d-b | i thought it was local |
| 14:37.52 | simonrvn | cygwin! |
| 14:37.52 | simonrvn | :P |
| 14:37.54 | mhymn_ | \amethyst: i see, thanks |
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| 14:38.21 | lxn_koz1 | d-b: np |
| 14:38.32 | simonrvn | wine in reverse :P |
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| 14:39.00 | \amethyst | mhymn_: that goes for -dev libraries in general. they contain the header files, linker scripts, and other things necessary to build programs that use the library. If the programs have already been built, you only need the non-dev library |
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| 14:39.27 | enouf | mhymn_: if you care, try something like ~$ rgrep -l ncurses /mnt/p3/home/exper/linux-2.6.25-rc2/linux-2.6.25-rc2/scripts/ and see where it's called/needed - i |
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| 14:41.12 | robyonrails | what do I have to do in order to upgrade my debian etch to lenny ? |
| 14:41.22 | mhymn_ | \amethyst: enouf: thank you too, really good point |
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| 14:42.12 | superjet_busy | robyonrails: back up your database and so then change sources.list |
| 14:42.37 | robyonrails | oki |
| 14:42.40 | jabis | enouf, you have any pointers as to why my kde specific apps load system default locales instead of the one set for the current user |
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| 14:43.07 | enouf | mhymn_: welcome |
| 14:43.39 | enouf | jabis: where are they being set for the current user? |
| 14:43.50 | enouf | jabis: poked about in kcontrol? |
| 14:44.05 | enouf | jabis: kde4 related - try #debian-kde if so |
| 14:44.12 | mhymn_ | enouf: am i doing something wrong here: rgrep -l ncurses /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-bpo.1-686/scripts/ ? it shows nothing |
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| 14:44.29 | enouf | mhymn_: that's -headers |
| 14:44.33 | enouf | you need source |
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| 14:45.01 | doudou | enouf, somebody told me that buffer size is ram size, i have another question |
| 14:45.03 | jabis | enouf, yes, I set 2 users to english using the kcontrol, so now I get proper menus, but the application don't start with it... okie I'll go ask from that channel |
| 14:45.13 | enouf | mhymn_: you can poke about on the web as well .. http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/scripts/ for example |
| 14:45.23 | flacom | hey... if I got a core2duo, can I install the adm64 version of debian? |
| 14:45.29 | stew | flacom: yes |
| 14:45.34 | doudou | how can i boot a computer that cant have grub or lilo installed, it wants only to boot from a kernel |
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| 14:46.05 | petemc | for some rs6000s, you could dd the kernel to a partition |
| 14:46.07 | enouf | jabis: all i can think is there's something in either each users ~/.kde/.. or /usr/share/app*/ |
| 14:46.13 | doudou | so when i installed debian on it, it stop at the moment where rebooting, all grub stuff is not read |
| 14:46.50 | petemc | doudou: what kind of bios is it#? |
| 14:46.59 | flacom | stew, thks |
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| 14:47.12 | enouf | doudou: syslinux? |
| 14:47.41 | jabis | or actually Konqueror and stuff start properly, but Gimp and other nearly related default packages wont |
| 14:47.56 | stew | flacom: you can also choose to install the i386 version. people using their machines for desktop use have sometimes preferred that in order to use 32-bit only non-free software, but the number of motivations for doing that have been steadily dropping |
| 14:47.57 | enouf | doudou: you could also likely do it with memdisk |
| 14:48.13 | doudou | non ibm, it boots from a linux kernel thats all, and we must change elf number in the kernel so that works, it is called ns2200 |
| 14:48.17 | enouf | doudou: checkout debirf even maybe |
| 14:48.31 | enouf | oh |
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| 14:49.08 | doudou | you may unsderstand why understanding debian init stuff is a mess |
| 14:49.20 | petemc | no |
| 14:50.03 | doudou | because the kernel that boot cant read options from grub |
| 14:50.12 | petemc | doudou: as you've been told, you're free to use whatever init system you please, but your dislike of sysv doesnt make it "a mess" |
| 14:50.14 | flacom | stew, mmm... using the 64bit version will increase the performance? |
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| 14:50.59 | stew | flacom: it will increase the performance of a few applications, it will increase the memory footprint of all applications |
| 14:51.18 | stew | flacom: if you are going to ever be using more than 3 or 4 gigs of ram, you definately want 64 bit |
| 14:51.22 | doudou | petemc, you should agree that a programm that do not show its logic could be considered messy? |
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| 14:51.32 | enouf | jabis: i've heard there's some {gtk,gnome-qt-something} pkgs that one might need to make gnome/gtk look and feel like kde? not sure if that would affect locale type settings though? |
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| 14:51.37 | petemc | doudou: its logic seems perfectly clear to me |
| 14:51.46 | doudou | petemc, doo you know this one: debeging is twice difficult as programming |
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| 14:52.01 | petemc | platitudes arent very interesting |
| 14:52.08 | pawbie | How do you list the contents of an SMB share from linux without mounting it? |
| 14:52.16 | doudou | petemc, so if you programm as smart as you can : you wont be able to debug it |
| 14:52.29 | abrotman | pawbie: smbclient -L |
| 14:52.34 | enouf | rpcinfo? |
| 14:52.52 | enouf | oh .. er .. i think i meant showmount anyways |
| 14:52.56 | flacom | stew, thks... I will go for 64bits then.. :) |
| 14:52.57 | abrotman | pawbie: sorry, that would show you the shares |
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| 14:53.05 | enouf | not that it would even be correct :-P |
| 14:53.16 | jabis | enouf, yeah this feels like a cryptic thing,, perhaps I'll just relocate the system default locale from the directory and see whether Gimp reverts to it's own default (english) |
| 14:53.22 | enouf | crap |
| 14:53.33 | \amethyst | doudou: what program are you talking about in particular? The kernel code that gets the kernel command-line from the boot loader? |
| 14:53.54 | doudou | petemc, i am please to discover that you are four time more smart than me, i hope that you will take a lot of care of yourself |
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| 14:54.50 | doudou | \amethyst a NS2200 boot directly from compiled kernel, cant give command line options |
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| 14:56.43 | doudou | \amethyst cant tell compiled kernel to use some initrd file? |
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| 14:57.06 | chfwiggum | hi all! |
| 14:57.29 | doudou | petemc, the initrd step is very simple too |
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| 14:57.51 | petemc | doudou: you should probably stop talking directly to me, im not very interested in what you have to say |
| 14:57.59 | enouf | that's just a matter of loading the kernel into RAM and jumping to the correct offset to boot .. on ibm-based systems, thats 0x10000 or something IIRC ... but that sounds like some sort of embedded system |
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| 14:58.58 | doudou | petemc, i understood what you said in this way indeed |
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| 14:59.39 | enouf | (maybe i should say x86-based - i haven't dealt with other archs at all) |
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| 15:00.32 | valdyn | doudou: how can any system not be able to use a boot manager? |
| 15:00.43 | pawbie | I could swear there used to be an smbls command or something similar. I just need to get a list of files with filetimes from a share. |
| 15:00.46 | valdyn | doudou: thats just nonsensical |
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| 15:02.17 | abrotman | pawbie: that would only work if it were anonymous .. did you ask #samba ? |
| 15:02.42 | doudou | valdyn, it a NS2200 computer, boots from a linux kernel, thats all, bios tell it look to kernel.002 file and boot it |
| 15:02.59 | valdyn | doudou: ok |
| 15:03.10 | \amethyst | valdyn: it sounds (including googling) like this thing has its own bootloader in ROM that knows how to load only vmlinuz |
| 15:03.12 | enouf | mhymn_: fwiw http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/check-lxdialog.sh seems relevant ;-) |
| 15:03.13 | valdyn | doudou: then does it uncompress the kernel too? |
| 15:03.16 | doudou | bios can read ext2 fs |
| 15:03.18 | pawbie | abrotman: Heading there now. I could swear (which this is clearly not true, but I could swear....) that I used to be able to do something like "smbls -u user -p pass //target/share" |
| 15:03.21 | pawbie | Maybe it was a script. |
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| 15:03.36 | doudou | yes |
| 15:03.38 | abrotman | pawbie: that is logging in |
| 15:03.41 | valdyn | doudou: if it can boot a kernel directly then it can boot anything that follows a similar pattern, like being compressed |
| 15:03.48 | abrotman | pawbie: oh .. sorry .. you said without mounting |
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| 15:03.52 | doudou | yes |
| 15:04.08 | doudou | there is some consideration about size, but yes |
| 15:04.12 | valdyn | doudou: so *maybe* its able to load grub, if you create the proper compressed file |
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| 15:04.25 | enouf | pawbie: i thought one of these perhaps - not sure though ; rpcclient rpcdebug rpcgen rpc.gssd rpc.idmapd rpcinfo rpc.mountd rpc.nfsd rpc.statd |
| 15:04.25 | valdyn | doudou: none of the boot managers is remotely as huge as the kernel |
| 15:04.49 | doudou | you want to try to compile grub, and make it beleive it is a linuxkernel? |
| 15:04.55 | valdyn | doudou: no |
| 15:05.12 | mhymn_ | enouf: yeah! it's there, thanks again :P |
| 15:05.26 | \amethyst | someone already suggested that http://osdir.com/ml/boot-loaders.grub.bugs/2004-01/msg00070.html |
| 15:05.39 | doudou | i suppose it should be simplier, to read how debian prepare the booting and compile the same kernel |
| 15:06.09 | valdyn | doudou: no |
| 15:06.21 | doudou | must be able to understand how debian made its initramfs and what option debian made for kernel |
| 15:06.36 | valdyn | doudou: the initrd requires that you have *some* boot loader that is able to load the initrd |
| 15:06.42 | enouf | doudou: grub2 uses smaller specific images, rather than grub 1's usage of stage1/1.5/2 |
| 15:06.56 | valdyn | doudou: its not at all debian specific, all distros do it like this |
| 15:07.18 | enouf | mhymn_: heh |
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| 15:08.03 | doudou | is there an option in kernel compilation to include a initramfsfile into it? |
| 15:08.12 | valdyn | doudou: no |
| 15:08.42 | \amethyst | can't you build a kernel without an initramfs? |
| 15:08.43 | enouf | ethere are initramfs options, is that what you mean? |
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| 15:09.06 | abrotman | \amethyst: AFAIK you can .. compile it all in the vmlinuz! |
| 15:09.08 | doudou | the initrd job is to insmod the modules needed? if i understand the initrd step i could make a kernel able to bypass this step? |
| 15:09.17 | valdyn | doudou: the kernel does not need to be aware of the initramfs concept |
| 15:09.40 | xingu | doudou: the usual approach is to build a kernel with rootdev and partition support into it; if you squint closely at the embedded arm stuff you'll see that they use the mtd device in this fashion. |
| 15:09.50 | abrotman | doudou: no that is not the initrd job |
| 15:10.03 | enouf | doudou: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/early-userspace/README |
| 15:10.26 | valdyn | i wonder though how you are going to tell the kernel about "root=whatever" if you cant pass options |
| 15:10.33 | valdyn | but maybe i got that part wrong.. |
| 15:10.37 | \amethyst | rdev |
| 15:10.41 | enouf | doudou: the initrd is a fakeroot from which it can load the modules needed (FStype - controllers - etc) |
| 15:10.42 | doudou | initrd job is only prepare the hardware to be able to boot? |
| 15:10.44 | xingu | doudou: in your ns2200 case the mapping is to build a kernel that has a blockdev and partition support for your hdd (or wherever it is that your kernel is stored); and then plonk the initrd image into the next subsequent disk partition |
| 15:11.05 | \amethyst | doudou: to prepare the kernel to access the root filesystem |
| 15:11.15 | chfwiggum | im trying to install 32bit debian on my 64bit amd. boot cds are flawless. still i keep getting the message 'Not using MMCONFIG' at boot time and then no action. any hints appreciated. |
| 15:11.32 | stew | "fakeroot" meaning "a fake /" not to be confused with the fakeroot package |
| 15:12.06 | doudou | wingu how would kernel be aware to use the next partition? i should put this in hard in the kernel, how? |
| 15:12.07 | xingu | \amethyst: rdev is busted as-of dynamic block device numbers |
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| 15:12.29 | enouf | doudou: debian distributes the linux-images (kernel) with an initrd so they don;t have to compile in every possible option , so that it can be effective on the most hardware, and yet, the kernel isn;t overly bloated |
| 15:12.49 | stew | not "with an initrd" but "with instructions to create an initrd upon install" |
| 15:12.50 | xingu | doudou: as I said, if your boot kernel has blockdev support for your boot io controller and you build in partition support for whatever partition type you're using, the rest is pretty straightforward. |
| 15:13.23 | enouf | doudou: the one exception might be the LVM stuff .. where an initrd is required? (correct me if i'm mistaken someone) .. but with grub2, that's no longer the case |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/initrd.txt |
| 15:14.03 | opensrcguru | debsums is reporting some packages don't have sum information: such as "debsums: no md5sums for mawk". what is the criteria for packages to have sums or why wouldn't some packages have sums and some wouldnt? |
| 15:14.15 | enouf | stew: sure .. thanks for the correction, as the initrd is built/made upon installation .. |
| 15:14.23 | stew | enouf: if you have / on lvm or raid, you need an initrd to get those going |
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| 15:14.45 | enouf | stew: righto - now .. how about with grub2? i think that's no longer the case |
| 15:15.23 | enouf | stew: and some raids (0 and 1?) you don't need an initrd, even with grub1 IIRC |
| 15:15.35 | stew | 1 doesn't, 0 does, afaik |
| 15:15.40 | enouf | ahh |
| 15:15.42 | stew | i don't know about grub2 |
| 15:15.47 | \amethyst | probably linear-append doesn't |
| 15:15.54 | stew | right |
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| 15:16.11 | stew | anything where it is "as long as i can point you at roughly the right place to start reading bits from some disk" |
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| 15:16.44 | stew | which works with raid1 or linear-append, since somewhere your bits are all just sitting there just as if they weren't part of a multi-disk volume |
| 15:16.56 | valdyn | enouf: grub2 is already built to have drivers for anything, so it can load kernel modules from about anything |
| 15:17.00 | xingu | http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID <- horse's mouth |
| 15:17.23 | enouf | stew: and yes .. i should've clarified a fake / .. not the pkg |
| 15:17.26 | stew | valdyn: right, but can it do the userspace stuff required to, say, do the equivalent of 'vgchange -a y' |
| 15:17.41 | stew | enouf: (i'm of course just trying to be helpful, not too nit-picky) |
| 15:17.50 | enouf | sure - no prob |
| 15:18.01 | enouf | i don't mind .. clarity is important |
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| 15:18.20 | valdyn | stew: no |
| 15:19.11 | valdyn | stew: it just grabs the initrd from anywhere, loading modules wouldnt serve any purpose i guess |
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| 15:19.15 | enouf | valdyn: righto ,, basically it's been modularized and exploded into many small components, to be used as needed ;-) |
| 15:19.22 | doudou | xingu, my problem is not to boot it, even not to run it in console mode, my problem is graphic mode, i would like to know what debian choosed to install to run the kernel |
| 15:20.12 | doudou | i do not understand what is lvm, i will go to read that |
| 15:20.31 | doudou | what do i need to understand else before be able to understand what you said to me? |
| 15:20.42 | xingu | doudou: fbset -i ? |
| 15:20.47 | valdyn | doudou: you dont need to understand lvm |
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| 15:22.16 | hramrach_ | Hello |
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| 15:22.33 | hramrach_ | what do you use to connect to a wireless network? |
| 15:22.38 | doudou | i have the kernel of debian install, the initrd of debian install, debian did not know about grub is not possible, how can i compile a kernel that takes into account all what debian need to run ? |
| 15:23.03 | hramrach_ | I have installed wpa_gui, it says it has successfully authenticated, and I get no IP |
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| 15:23.44 | doudou | there is probably another way, there should be some programms that discover all hardware and tell what modules will be needed? |
| 15:23.57 | doudou | i am sorry if i did not understood all what you said before |
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| 15:24.49 | hramrach_ | doudou: normally all the drivers are compiled as modules and only the ones that are useful wiht your hardware are loaded |
| 15:24.57 | enouf | stew: just a followup, i seem to recall that if one used LiLo instead, an initrd isn't needed to boot a / on raid1 (atleast) (nor a raid5(?)) |
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| 15:25.46 | xingu | right, so google tells me that ns2200 (netvista n2200) is a geode run-from-flash or netboot platform; I bet that compactflash card is a 16bit ata controller under the bonnet (hdparm would tell us) |
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| 15:26.10 | enouf | heh |
| 15:26.19 | stew | enouf: yes, i believe that to be true for raid1 but not raid5. until the lilo bug with large initrd's and 2.6.(26?) hit us, i had swiched back to lilo on some machines so that I could also have /boot on lvm |
| 15:26.32 | xingu | so all you need to do is build a kernel that has the relevant blockdev non-modular (my guess - regular old generic ata, no particular chipset) |
| 15:26.34 | enouf | stew: ahh .. ok |
| 15:26.51 | xingu | then append the initrd as the next partition on the cf and bootstrap it as per normal |
| 15:27.03 | enouf | stew: i was just reviewing file:///usr/share/doc/mdadm/rootraiddoc.97.html ;-) |
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| 15:27.16 | stew | having everything on lvm was great for me when i started getting the dreaded "SeekComplete" errors and I could pvmove off the faulty drive with a running system and get rid of the faulty drive with little disruption |
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| 15:28.30 | SparFux | can I send /receive sms / mms to / from my local computer / pstn telephone in linux /unix ? |
| 15:28.57 | xingu | here's someone who's already bootstrapped 2.6 on a n2200 http://snafu.priv.at/interests/comp/netvista.html |
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| 15:29.04 | xingu | that took me about ten seconds and google |
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| 15:29.41 | enouf | doudou: remember how i said google can help? ;-) |
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| 15:30.09 | binary_ | Goodnight, everyone :-) |
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| 15:30.19 | xingu | so part of the horkage on that particular platform is that it has a bad implementation of an obsolete boot protocol |
| 15:30.37 | FailPowah | how can i create the /var/mail/<username> mail boxes? (mutt sais that files doesnt exist) |
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| 15:30.57 | enouf | all of a sudden gets an urge to hork a hog |
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| 15:31.17 | xingu | looks like a very ugly platform, personally I'd bin it. |
| 15:31.33 | doudou | google with fuck you all |
| 15:31.39 | xingu | an el-cheapo notebook would 1/ include a display 2/ chew fewer watts more than likely 3/ be less broken :) |
| 15:31.40 | doudou | disconnected from server |
| 15:31.45 | enouf | FailPowah: IINM, maybe reconfiguring your MTA? dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 15:32.21 | xingu | doudou: the point being that bootstrapping to a new subarch is _non trivial_ - it's a thing which is done rarely by people with the patience to unravel it all |
| 15:32.38 | stew | FailPowah: the MTA/MDA should create it as soon as it tries deliver mail to <username> and the file doesn't already exist |
| 15:32.45 | enouf | doudou: or any search engine that you prefer - there is some skill needed to siphon through oceans of useless info ... so, start practicing ;-) |
| 15:32.50 | xingu | doudou: I've already given you enough tips to start the process - and no it's not easy going (speaking as someone who's _done_ it) and no there's absolutely no gift horses |
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| 15:33.07 | FailPowah | stew: i tried to send mail to root and my other accounts, nothing happens :D |
| 15:33.10 | doudou | do loose time to google NS2200 i did this already |
| 15:33.12 | FailPowah | enouf: checking |
| 15:33.38 | enouf | xingu: i like your evaluation of that ns2200 netvista? what a name :-p |
| 15:33.45 | doudou | i can boot it, i can use as a ftp server or else, on a debian base system |
| 15:34.04 | doudou | i could find a distrib on google that run xserver |
| 15:34.06 | stew | FailPowah: which MTA are you using? I'd check its logs, which might be in /var/log/mail.log or /var/log/exim/exim4_mainlog (is that right?) |
| 15:34.18 | doudou | maybe i have already downloaded one |
| 15:34.25 | xingu | doudou: once you're done with the early init stuff, the rest of the debian stuff will fall right into place; the challenge on that platform is dealing with the fact that you have no bootloader (you've already identified this, it's right there in your problem statement) |
| 15:34.29 | FailPowah | stew: looks like exim4 |
| 15:34.39 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.48 | petemc | exim4 -bP log_file_path |
| 15:34.58 | doudou | only thing is understanding booting and init process from a debian point of vue |
| 15:35.01 | xingu | doudou: from there you need to accept that you'll be loading an initrd from _somewhere_ as a root device rather than having it spoonfed to you via the bootloader |
| 15:35.22 | xingu | doudou: and this leads to the conclusion that you need a boot blockdev and partitioning support (again which I've already stated) |
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| 15:35.59 | xingu | doudou: alternatively, you can keep bitching and moaning about how hard it is to trace it all and asking oddball questions to which the answer will always be "why would you want to" from people who don't have broken bootloaders |
| 15:36.13 | xingu | doudou: of the two approaches, I'd suggest that mine will take you less time. |
| 15:36.25 | FailPowah | stew: last log says permission denied: creating lock file hitching post /var/mail/<some random filename> |
| 15:36.39 | xingu | hell, half the work's been done already |
| 15:37.04 | enouf | FailPowah: is /var on it's own partition? is it mounted ro? |
| 15:37.10 | stew | FailPowah: what does "ls -ld /var/mail" say? |
| 15:37.11 | thing1 | is it possible to redirect a port to a different computer on the same network |
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| 15:37.25 | enouf | bah .. i don;t think that's the message though |
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| 15:37.30 | FailPowah | enouf: same as / |
| 15:37.47 | slidesinger_lt | I hadn't really noticed that they did away with update-modules since this machine has been running since Feb 2002 without any issues through upgrades: kudos to the developers for that. |
| 15:37.49 | slidesinger_lt | It would seem that the ath5k module has replaced the ath_pci module and I can manually load the module just fine at each boot. What I am trying to figure out is how to get the module to automatically load at boot. Does anyone know this? |
| 15:38.47 | enouf | slidesinger_lt: add it to /etc/modules ? |
| 15:38.53 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: sounds like the machine must be pre-udev; try adding an alias eth0 ath_pci to your modprobe config |
| 15:39.14 | thing1 | i have a gateway/firewall @ 192.168.0.1 and a proxy on 192.168.0.4, is it possible to redirect proxy requests to 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.4 |
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| 15:39.18 | FailPowah | stew: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-12-19 16:15 /var/mail/ |
| 15:39.28 | stew | FailPowah: ahh, that's the problem, someone changed the permissions |
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| 15:39.29 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: udev will walk the bus and auto-modprobe the pci vendor:device-id pairs it recognises |
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| 15:39.52 | Abin | æä¸å¥½ï¼ |
| 15:40.03 | stew | FailPowah: try "chown root:mail /var/mail ; chmod 3777 /var/mail" |
| 15:40.06 | doudou | xingu, thanks i will work to understand what you mean, may take some time |
| 15:40.16 | FailPowah | stew: it needs chmod 777 ? |
| 15:40.21 | stew | FailPowah: it needs chmod 3777 |
| 15:40.30 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.* is the magic mapping from bus:vendor:device to module |
| 15:40.46 | stew | FailPowah: perhaps 3775 |
| 15:40.48 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: in modprobe-land, it's build automagically; for modutils, you need depmod -ae |
| 15:41.03 | enouf | stew: mine's 2775 |
| 15:41.06 | stew | FailPowah: hmm, i have some systems with it as 3777 and some as 2775 |
| 15:42.28 | stew | FailPowah: i guess start with 2775 |
| 15:42.35 | FailPowah | stew: now i send one to root and one my my normal account, root's didnt get created, normal ones did |
| 15:42.42 | enouf | stew: also, owner here is root:mail |
| 15:42.49 | slidesinger_lt | xingu: When the machine was first brought online, card services were still in vogue. I'll look into depmod and try running depmod -ae. Thanks. |
| 15:42.51 | enouf | not root:root |
| 15:42.58 | stew | i must have been installing some wacky mta on this machine to test that changed the permissions to 3777 from 2775 |
| 15:42.58 | FailPowah | stew: but mutt said both was sent |
| 15:43.01 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: heh |
| 15:43.09 | enouf | Access: (2775/drwxrwsr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 8/ mail) |
| 15:43.20 | stew | FailPowah: what does "grep ^root /etc/aliases" return? |
| 15:43.41 | FailPowah | stew: i jsut copied the normal users mailbox to root and it seems to work and no errors |
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| 15:44.08 | FailPowah | stew: my normal user acount: "root: mailaccount" |
| 15:44.33 | stew | FailPowah: right, so /var/mail/root wouldhn't get created when you send mail to root, since mail to root goes to mailaccount |
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| 15:45.35 | FailPowah | stew: oki, but mutt complained the roots mailbox wasnt there. |
| 15:45.41 | slidesinger_lt | xingu: It's an 800MHZ Crusoe laptop that was cutting edge, when new, if that helps date it for you. The 16:9 flatpanel didn't even have standard support at the time and required customization of X. |
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| 15:46.00 | enouf | negge: you could try to renice a process, make your music app not nice, and ... hrm, not sure what exact process to raise the niceness on |
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| 15:46.09 | stew | FailPowah: correctly, you can reconfigure mutt to look for mail in a more appropriate location |
| 15:46.17 | stew | FailPowah: but, why are you running mutt as root in the first place? |
| 15:46.22 | negge | enouf: I don't even know that "nice" is |
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| 15:46.52 | FailPowah | stew: just checking when i do su - |
| 15:46.55 | enouf | could man ionice as well .. but nice/renice are your friends, if you have a dual core, taskset might be yuor friend as well .. (or see schedutils in Etch only) |
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| 15:47.12 | enouf | !nice |
| 15:47.12 | dpkg | nice, or niceness is, how demanding or how nice a process is scheduled for. -20 is very agressive, and 19 is least agressive. Only root can drop a task below 0. See also taskset, prctl, and open mpi for cpu affinity |
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| 15:47.41 | negge | enouf: the server is on a dual-core Intel Atom, but I don't think it has to do with CPU usage as I looked at htop while deleting files and the CPU usage doesn't rise notably |
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| 15:48.17 | enouf | negge: smart movr |
| 15:48.23 | enouf | move* |
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| 15:48.42 | negge | enouf: you mean the choice of CPU? |
| 15:48.51 | enouf | so .. negge .. what FStypes are involved and what about mount options? |
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| 15:49.04 | negge | I gotta check that |
| 15:49.14 | enouf | negge: no, using your utils to watch for changes |
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| 15:49.35 | negge | enouf: hehe okay. The drive is ext3 mounted with default options |
| 15:50.01 | negge | it's a fairly new SATA drive |
| 15:50.01 | enouf | negge: vmstat will also help - if using lenny, iotop should be available IIRC |
| 15:50.37 | enouf | negge: which module is it using? ahci? any ncq? |
| 15:50.54 | enouf | judd: versions iotop |
| 15:50.54 | judd | enouf: iotop -- lenny: 0.2-3 sid: 0.2-3 |
| 15:51.09 | FailPowah | stew: i changed .bash_aliases to use mail='mutt -f /var/mail/<mynormalaccount>' instead :P |
| 15:51.13 | FailPowah | stew: enouf: thanks for the help. :D |
| 15:51.31 | enouf | negge: as a test, see if mounting it with noatime,defaults does any better |
| 15:51.51 | negge | enouf: it seems like it's the "smbd -D" command that reads from the disk when I play music, do you think it would help to renice this process to something like 10? |
| 15:52.01 | enouf | FailPowah: there's a .bash_aliases? :-P |
| 15:52.09 | negge | enouf: I don't currently have any huge files left to delete so I can't test it right now |
| 15:52.31 | negge | enouf: I don't know how to check which module it's using |
| 15:52.31 | enouf | negge: you can easily make or d/l huge files ;-) |
| 15:52.36 | FailPowah | enouf: iirc i made one |
| 15:52.40 | enouf | negge: which debian version |
| 15:53.15 | enouf | ? |
| 15:53.15 | negge | enouf: Lenny |
| 15:53.15 | enouf | negge: lspci -k |
| 15:53.15 | FailPowah | enouf and using this in .bashrc: if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then ... . ~/.bash_aliases ... fi |
| 15:53.17 | chfwiggum | im trying to install 32bit debian on my 64bit amd. boot cds are flawless. still i keep getting the message 'Not using MMCONFIG' at boot time and then no action.notebook vendor was no help. 64bit install was possible though. any hints appreciated. |
| 15:53.24 | enouf | but yeah - you can try renicing processes |
| 15:53.41 | enouf | FailPowah: aye ;-) |
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| 15:54.05 | negge | enouf: it says the SATA controller uses the ata_piix module |
| 15:54.16 | enouf | negge: also - grep -i ncq /var/log/dmesg |
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| 15:54.36 | enouf | negge: that sounds like it's in PATA mode |
| 15:55.00 | enouf | negge: do you have other PATA drives in the system? |
| 15:55.06 | enouf | even optical ones? |
| 15:55.08 | negge | enouf: yeah I got one IDE drive |
| 15:55.13 | negge | and an old CD-ROM |
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| 15:55.35 | negge | grep ncq blabla gave me one line |
| 15:55.41 | negge | don't know what to tell from it though |
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| 15:57.35 | negge | enouf: about renicing, htop shows 3 processes that run smdb -D, two run as root and one as my own user, which one should I renice? All of them? |
| 15:57.40 | enouf | chfwiggum: there's a boot option called pci=nommconf .. not sure how to reverse that though - see ... /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 15:57.52 | Lethias | I'm having trouble getting iceweasel installed with flashplayer 10. I've downloaded the flashplayer instlaler from Adobe, installed it and still it doesn't see it. Any ideas? |
| 15:58.00 | chfwiggum | enouf: thx |
| 15:58.08 | enouf | chfwiggum: check your BIOS settings as well .. |
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| 15:58.47 | chfwiggum | enouf: yeah, done that. seems to be a bios light |
| 15:59.01 | enouf | s/light/bug ? |
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| 16:00.57 | enouf | chfwiggum: for 64bit installs, and boots there's even more options .. in /Documentation/{x86,x86_64}/boot-options.txt , however, i see you mentioned i386 over amd64 arch |
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| 16:02.03 | enouf | negge: i would .. maybe try one at a time |
| 16:02.55 | negge | enouf: no problem I noticed that iotop tells me which instance it is |
| 16:03.03 | negge | reniced it to -10 now |
| 16:03.28 | negge | don't know if that's overkill or not but the music is still playing so I guess it's fine:) |
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| 16:06.05 | enouf | negge: ok then ... now for more about ahci, ncq, sata/pata modes, see linux-ata.org |
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| 16:08.35 | enouf | negge: with one sata disk and two other pata drives, it shouldn't be an issue for you - if you add more sata drives, then you want to try and use ahci - check BIOS settings under sata config - some crappy bioses need RAID mode enabled to get AHCI usage |
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| 16:12.26 | LqR | I just installed the latest version of Etch from netinstall, ay |
| 16:12.52 | LqR | And after that I did "apt-get install xserver-xorg", but Xorg won't start, complaining about not finding the font "fixed" |
| 16:13.16 | LqR | I know I have had this error before, and fixed it (pun unintended), but I can't remember how |
| 16:13.29 | enouf | install xfonts? |
| 16:13.32 | LqR | Shouldn't the setup process for xserver-xorg fix this by the way? |
| 16:13.57 | enouf | or was it xbase-clients? |
| 16:14.06 | enouf | LqR: install xorg |
| 16:14.33 | enouf | LqR: it's a larger metapackage, should pull in all you need |
| 16:14.54 | LqR | Ah, I'll try that. |
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| 16:15.10 | LqR | Also, what do I need to make my thinkpad hibernate when I close the lid? |
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| 16:15.49 | enouf | install the hibernate pkg? or the various acpi, acpid ones? see thinkwiki.org for sure |
| 16:16.13 | enouf | lesswatts.org is another sire |
| 16:16.15 | enouf | site |
| 16:17.25 | enouf | !tell LqR about fixed |
| 16:17.27 | enouf | aha |
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| 16:22.04 | doudou | hell back with NS2200 |
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| 16:22.50 | doudou | i have no xserver. i have no right keyb |
| 16:23.24 | doudou | but no google too |
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| 16:24.40 | cumulus007 | doudou: your English is very hard to understand |
| 16:24.45 | doudou | i cant recall lspci package na;e |
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| 16:25.14 | enouf | doudou: pciutils |
| 16:25.30 | doudou | cumulusm thats only the beginnng |
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| 16:26.50 | doudou | enouf thx and keyb utilities |
| 16:26.53 | gahlrhl | hi, i could use some help with audacity. i am using OSS 4.0 (b1016/200806170542) and audacity worked in the past with it. now i am getting "audacity: src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c:764: BuildDeviceList: Assertion `snd_config' failed." |
| 16:27.19 | cahoot | make audacity use oss? |
| 16:27.19 | gahlrhl | this was happening at some point in the past and i don't think i fixed it. rather forgot about it and then later it worked fine |
| 16:27.22 | gahlrhl | how |
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| 16:27.35 | gahlrhl | i already deleted ~/.audacity* |
| 16:27.45 | cahoot | preferences? |
| 16:27.53 | gahlrhl | and "audacity -help" does not work (contrary to what the manpage says) |
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| 16:28.04 | gahlrhl | cahoot: how would i access/set them? |
| 16:28.14 | gahlrhl | the error occurs when i try to start it |
| 16:29.00 | cahoot | gahlrhl: maybe it's configured solely with alsa support in edian - I don't know - ldd might tell |
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| 16:29.12 | enouf | gahlrhl: maybe you need to set OSS in your DE? like system > preferences > sound |
| 16:29.12 | cahoot | s/edian/debian/ |
| 16:29.17 | doudou | enouf thx mean thanks |
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| 16:31.08 | doudou | enoufm i need the na;e of the package zith keyboard utils to change it |
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| 16:32.45 | doudou | i cant recall it i cant google it . all i have is man and aptitude thats not enought |
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| 16:34.15 | doudou | cant a young girl ask for me to enouf |
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| 16:34.57 | d-b | apt-get install lynx or links2 |
| 16:34.57 | enouf | doudou: stop with the girl/guy crap please |
| 16:35.14 | gahlrhl | oh dear, i had to run ldconfig. found that "solution" in http://cinnamonpirate.com/2007/12/you-should-not-use-oss-with-ubuntu/ |
| 16:35.54 | doudou | you started this 3crap3 i dont understand crap but ok |
| 16:36.58 | enouf | doudou: i have no idea which keyboard utils you mean |
| 16:37.19 | enouf | doudou: for X, for Console? /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 16:42.40 | doudou | zith dos there was a command keyb it that change keyb |
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| 16:43.39 | doudou | console x does not zork yet |
| 16:44.26 | doudou | aptitude seqrch key cqn qnszer |
| 16:44.37 | jelly | heh |
| 16:44.40 | enouf | doudou: do you mean setxkbmap ? |
| 16:44.55 | jelly | doudou: loadkeys us (or whatever) |
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| 16:45.49 | jakub_ | hello |
| 16:45.54 | jakub_ | i have problem on debian with ipv6 |
| 16:46.13 | jakub_ | my debian doesnt catch ipv6 dynamic adress via advertise on router |
| 16:46.19 | jakub_ | win vista is ok |
| 16:46.26 | doudou | jelly loadkeysm yes back in my 500 [maybe 50 for me[ |
| 16:48.22 | doudou | loadkeys is in zhat package ? if found auestion point ? |
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| 16:48.59 | doudou | the most difficult zas the : to find for me, that mean the vi exit |
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| 16:49.46 | doudou | very sloz co;puter the ns2200 |
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| 16:51.14 | jelly | thinks doudou is pulling the channel's collective leg |
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| 16:52.25 | doudou | zell you seem very happy zith your doc. but to real problems m there is no anszer |
| 16:53.06 | Lagbolt | nice |
| 16:53.11 | ilaiho | hi! |
| 16:53.17 | Lagbolt | hi ilaiho |
| 16:53.24 | ilaiho | is there another ktechlab-like electronics simulator for linux? |
| 16:53.37 | doudou | simple one i have be able to boot debian basem aptitude install zeechat , came here, there is no exit, no zay out |
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| 16:53.57 | ilaiho | others appear to only show graphs |
| 16:54.07 | Lagbolt | doudou, gnucap i think |
| 16:54.25 | jelly | doudou: "/quit" usually exits an irc client |
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| 16:54.49 | Lagbolt | ilaiho, i meant you |
| 16:54.59 | Lagbolt | gnucap is a circuit analysis tool that is alright. there are others |
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| 16:55.45 | Lagbolt | ilaiho, ksimus, tkgate |
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| 16:56.00 | doudou | jelly you mean >auit ? |
| 16:56.56 | doudou | see;s like xserver zont zork todqy |
| 16:57.00 | enouf | doudou: install console-tools pkg and console-data pkg? |
| 16:57.00 | jelly | doudou: don't be an idiot. |
| 16:57.49 | enouf | doudou: then run dpkg-reconfigure on each of those |
| 16:57.53 | doudou | i did install consolem select my keyb in a graphic zindozm but nothing happen |
| 16:58.18 | enouf | z == w for your keymap for some reason |
| 16:58.20 | doudou | i prefer loadkeys please |
| 16:58.46 | jelly | doudou: what is your preferred keyboard setting? |
| 16:59.12 | doudou | yes i knoz; but this look like real non english native dont you think? |
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| 16:59.29 | enouf | doudou: loadkeys is in console-tools |
| 16:59.32 | doudou | jelly loadkeys package |
| 16:59.48 | jelly | doudou: I'm ignoring you; you make no sense. |
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| 17:00.20 | jelly | a windows user would have figured out by now to reboot to get the old keymap back |
| 17:00.29 | JordiGH | Marillat ships gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad which has xvid, but it conflicts with gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad which has the Quicktime ones... is there a way around this? |
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| 17:00.47 | doudou | zell it is time to leave the zonderfull debian chqnnel |
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| 17:00.47 | JordiGH | I mean, other than "use VLC"? |
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| 17:01.12 | doudou | disconnected fro; server |
| 17:01.14 | jelly | JordiGH: use mplayer! |
| 17:01.33 | JordiGH | jelly: I feared as much... maybe I should just use the VLC plugin for Mozilla Watersalmon. |
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| 17:02.04 | jelly | Vaporfrog. |
| 17:02.05 | pleed | Hi, i tried to install a debian lenny witch a lvm on a LUKS on a raid5. all installations failed because the insteller didnt configure /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf properly. did anyone else notice this problem? |
| 17:02.15 | rgravener_ | hey is there an easy way to get my system clock to update automatically? |
| 17:02.34 | enouf | !ntp |
| 17:02.34 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 17:02.35 | JordiGH | rgravener_: ntp |
| 17:02.42 | simonrvn | vapourfrog, for vapourware |
| 17:02.53 | enouf | ribbit |
| 17:03.11 | JordiGH | Debian Seawolf (I loved this one). |
| 17:03.17 | simonrvn | rabbit |
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| 17:03.24 | ilaiho | Lagbolt, they only appear to do digital logic functions, not analog components |
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| 17:03.59 | jelly | wonders how Shockwave (Director) works on Acer Aspire One |
| 17:04.14 | doudou | remmenber well I am German |
| 17:04.22 | simonrvn | doesn't order people around very well |
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| 17:04.39 | jelly | simonrvn: there's no native plugin for that crap |
| 17:04.54 | jelly | at least, not one released for general public |
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| 17:08.01 | stoned | hello |
| 17:08.02 | stoned | snow |
| 17:08.04 | Lagbolt | ilaiho, gnucap should do analog as well |
| 17:08.13 | jelly | freakin Germans from France. |
| 17:08.23 | stoned | ey |
| 17:08.27 | stoned | shaddup |
| 17:08.37 | Lagbolt | ilaiho, also gEDA --> http://www.geda.seul.org/download.html |
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| 17:09.01 | JordiGH | is a little embarrassed that the only reason he wants to play quicktime is in order to be able to see the Get a Mac ads. |
| 17:09.26 | Lagbolt | ilaiho, google "linux analog circuit" |
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| 17:09.40 | jelly | JordiGH: crossover can do both quicktime and shockwave |
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| 17:10.22 | jelly | (but this thing on the acer netbook works smoother than a wine kludge that is the crossover plugin) |
| 17:10.26 | stoned | so can wine! |
| 17:10.48 | jelly | stoned: free wine can do browser plugins now? |
| 17:10.50 | stoned | you can wine the shockwave flash player as well as the quicktime |
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| 17:10.54 | JordiGH | Great, VLC segfaulted. :-/ |
| 17:10.56 | stoned | its always been able to |
| 17:11.09 | stoned | use wine, install firefox, install flash or other plugins |
| 17:11.11 | JordiGH | doesn't do wine. |
| 17:11.20 | jelly | stoned: I mean, make windows plugins be usable under native linux browsers? |
| 17:11.28 | JordiGH | And I'm quixotically sticking to gnash and/or swfdec. |
| 17:11.30 | stoned | jelly, no, wined browsers |
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| 17:11.34 | jelly | eh, sure |
| 17:11.35 | stoned | jelly, I doubt yo ucan do that |
| 17:11.46 | jelly | stoned: I just said you could. |
| 17:11.57 | jelly | that's what crossover does, among other things. |
| 17:11.59 | stoned | jelly, I probably didin't read it carefuly |
| 17:12.08 | stoned | i don't know what that is |
| 17:12.16 | stoned | I kno crossover officee. same thig? |
| 17:12.17 | JordiGH | Thankfully, nobody but apple.com uses Quicktime on the web anymore. |
| 17:12.17 | jelly | I probably didn't explain it unambiguously enough |
| 17:12.37 | LqR | I thought mplayerplug-in took care of quicktime? |
| 17:12.45 | jelly | JordiGH: but apple has all the video trailers! |
| 17:12.58 | stoned | yeh, JordiGH is being weird today |
| 17:12.59 | JordiGH | jelly: What trailers? |
| 17:13.03 | stoned | stop watching mac ads! |
| 17:13.05 | jelly | stoned: yes |
| 17:13.05 | enouf | stoned: merry white jingle bells, dumbo |
| 17:13.14 | stoned | enouf, hey buddy |
| 17:13.15 | JordiGH | stoned: Know thy enemy. ;-) |
| 17:13.21 | stoned | JordiGH, hehehe |
| 17:13.22 | jelly | does stoned have big ears? |
| 17:13.29 | stoned | jelly, alright, alright, I'll give you that one |
| 17:13.35 | stoned | jelly, yes |
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| 17:13.40 | jelly | ha! |
| 17:13.45 | Lagbolt | mplayer does quicktime no problem |
| 17:13.48 | jelly | pix or it didnt happen |
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| 17:14.03 | stoned | jelly, my aunt used to pull my ears for being naughty when i was a little kid |
| 17:14.10 | stoned | I think that caused my ears to stretch and grow up big |
| 17:14.14 | jvm | hi. how do i determine possible printer names for the lpr command? |
| 17:14.34 | jelly | jvm: they'd be configured in /etc/printcap |
| 17:14.50 | enouf | jvm: welp, for usb - i see maybe /dev/usb/lp0 ? |
| 17:14.52 | jelly | jvm: that is, IF you're using LPRNG |
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| 17:15.18 | jelly | jvm: if you got lpr from cupsys-bsd, then use the usual cupsys interface |
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| 17:15.40 | JordiGH | Ack, I wish it were possible to remove parts of gnome without removing all of it. |
| 17:15.57 | enouf | looks around for -bsd things |
| 17:15.57 | jvm | thanks, jelly. i'd like to print to a pdf file, but apparently, there is no pdf driver mentioned in /etc/printcap. |
| 17:15.57 | jelly | jvm: print to a ps file, use ps2pdf |
| 17:16.12 | jelly | jvm: most if not all apps can print to .ps |
| 17:16.25 | jelly | (well, those that can print, anyway) |
| 17:16.41 | jvm | how do i print to a ps file, if the application only lets me enter a print command like lpr? |
| 17:16.49 | enouf | i'd like this stupid lexmark to print a single page .. won't work .. yet everything in cups and kcontrol says it does work, says it prints the test page successfully .. but sigh ..nada |
| 17:16.53 | jelly | jvm: which application? |
| 17:16.59 | Lagbolt | jvm what are you printing from? lots of things print to pdf as well as ps now too |
| 17:17.00 | jvm | jelly, gschem. |
| 17:17.10 | JordiGH | Okay, if I install mozilla-mplayer, how do I tell Debian Hypnoalligator to use mplayer instead of totem? |
| 17:17.24 | JordiGH | But then again, mplayer isn't gonna do Ogg, is it? I need Ogg for Wikipedia. |
| 17:17.30 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, remove totem plugin :) |
| 17:17.39 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: That removes the rest of Gnome along with it. :-/ |
| 17:17.45 | jelly | JordiGH: mplayer does everything! (the dmm build) |
| 17:17.53 | enouf | apt-cache search libogg |
| 17:17.57 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, just the plugin? really? i had done that. if you remove totem it all goes |
| 17:18.21 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Well, aptitude wants to remove everything, because the way I installed gnome in the first place was by installing... gnome |
| 17:18.26 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, go to tools/addons menu |
| 17:18.31 | enouf | this. all. must. go. ! |
| 17:18.45 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, in the plugins tab you can edit them |
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| 17:18.54 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Aha, thanks. |
| 17:19.14 | enouf | wow - a certain clickety click saves the day |
| 17:19.51 | Lagbolt | what all must go? ogg? |
| 17:19.53 | enouf | tsk tsk JordiGH .. you need to click about more often :-p |
| 17:20.18 | enouf | Lagbolt: no .. just the bloat ;-) |
| 17:20.21 | Lagbolt | ah gotcha |
| 17:20.39 | JordiGH | Aaahhh! Now mplayer won't do .mov |
| 17:20.58 | JordiGH | Fuck it. I'm downloading the damn video and ffmpeg2thoera. |
| 17:20.59 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, if you dont want all gnome you could use xfce and then just install the little pieces of gnome you want. |
| 17:21.10 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Uh, I DO want all of Gnome! |
| 17:21.21 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, mplayer wont play mov? sounds like you are missing some libs |
| 17:21.40 | JordiGH | Sounds like Lightningmoose is being more like Mozilla Firebitch. |
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| 17:22.12 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, first thing i do when i install mplayer is get apple.com trailers working. it works every time. just need codecs |
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| 17:23.58 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: mplayer can play movs fine... it's just that Icerat doesn't seem to want to use the damn plugin, even though I see it enabled and the totem plugin disabled. |
| 17:24.29 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, what does "about:plugins" show for quicktime |
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| 17:25.18 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, if you "apt-get remove totem-mozilla" does that try to remove all of gnome? it shouldnt. should just get rid of the problem you have |
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| 17:26.22 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: I told you, it tries to remove gnome, because the gnome metapackage depends on it. |
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| 17:26.42 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/Screenshot.png |
| 17:26.46 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, from command line just the one package? it shoudlnt. i have done it on more than a couple machines |
| 17:26.57 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: And you use aptitude? |
| 17:27.05 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: I don't use apt-get. I use aptitude. |
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| 17:27.15 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, just try the command i just listed! |
| 17:27.19 | Lagbolt | you can always select no |
| 17:27.41 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, also look in "about:plugins" <-- in address link not in addons |
| 17:27.41 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: No! I don't like apt-get, and I don't like having packages running around which were automatically installed but aren't purged. |
| 17:27.51 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: And I shouldn't have to remove a package just to not use it. |
| 17:28.00 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, wtf? fine, have it your way |
| 17:28.14 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1289530 |
| 17:28.15 | Lagbolt | my computer has totem but no totem-mozilla |
| 17:28.25 | Lagbolt | if you dont want to remove it then fine dont |
| 17:28.30 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: And you're not using aptitude, and next time you try to use aptitude, you're gonna get commplaining. |
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| 17:28.45 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, not if you jsut remove totem-mozilla |
| 17:28.48 | Lagbolt | just that one package |
| 17:28.55 | Lagbolt | fuck i will install and uninstall it right now to prove my point |
| 17:28.59 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: try "aptitude -s install", nothing happens? |
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| 17:29.08 | cnfused | can a noob get some help? |
| 17:29.19 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Actually, probably nothing will happen, since you don't have the gnome metapackage installed, I guess. |
| 17:29.40 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Still, this is the kind of manual tweaking of packages that I shouldn't have to do, and moreover, it's the wrong fix to remove a package just to not use it! |
| 17:29.45 | enouf | JordiGH: pretty sure you can just mark the pkg as 'Manual' installed, then remove it |
| 17:29.45 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, http://pastebin.com/m2cc01f5 |
| 17:29.54 | Lagbolt | and DONE! |
| 17:29.55 | JordiGH | enouf: Still the wrong fix. |
| 17:30.12 | Lagbolt | and thats all i have to say on the topic of totem-mozilla :) |
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| 17:30.25 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: It's a crutch, and it's the wrong fix. |
| 17:30.33 | cnfused | can someone help me with a simple noob question? |
| 17:30.42 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, you told me it would remove gnome, i told you it wouldnt :) |
| 17:30.46 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 17:30.47 | stew | cnfused: just ask the actual question |
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| 17:31.04 | enouf | JordiGH: sure, as far as it "not getting in the way" .. sure, i agree, you shouldn't need to remove it (unless there's a Conflicts or something) |
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| 17:31.08 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: That's because you manually marked as installed by apt-get the gnome packages you care about. |
| 17:31.19 | jelly | judd: hi |
| 17:31.34 | stew | wtf |
| 17:31.43 | enouf | omg |
| 17:31.43 | cnfused | installed debian etch... trying to run second life... but I need to find out my video hardware... how do I find out my chip/video etc... i think its intel |
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| 17:31.57 | stew | cnfused: try "lspci | grep VGA" |
| 17:31.58 | JordiGH | cnfused: lspci | grep -i video |
| 17:31.58 | enouf | lspci | rep VGA |
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| 17:32.07 | enouf | heh - +g |
| 17:32.14 | JordiGH | Er, vga, not video. |
| 17:32.21 | JordiGH | What they said. |
| 17:32.29 | Thumpity | lol |
| 17:32.33 | Thumpity | word |
| 17:32.38 | cnfused | ok... ill try... is it video or vga command |
| 17:32.42 | JordiGH | vga |
| 17:32.47 | enouf | lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:32.47 | jimpy | but still second life... eeewww |
| 17:32.58 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, and i removed totem-plugins :) gnome is sitll in tact |
| 17:33.15 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: I told you why... because apt-get marked those packages as manually installed. |
| 17:33.31 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: And I don't want to have to do that. |
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| 17:33.33 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, i am not using apt-get i am using aptitude i just write apt-get cause it is habit |
| 17:33.46 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Then you marked them as manually installed with aptitude, same thing. |
| 17:34.21 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Should I ever decide to completely uninstall gnome, I don't want to have to manually track down the gnome packages I don't want. |
| 17:34.49 | jelly | !remove gnome |
| 17:34.49 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, you dont have to track things down. you just install the programs you want to use instead of installing them all. |
| 17:34.49 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
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| 17:35.01 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, just go delete the totem plugins manual from iceweasel then |
| 17:35.07 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: "The programs I don't want" means "the programs I have to track down". |
| 17:35.19 | cnfused | hmm... tried command as root and user... nothing happened |
| 17:35.41 | jelly | JordiGH: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:35.46 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Wrong fix! I shouldn't have to delete something in order to not use it. |
| 17:35.48 | stew | cnfused: can you show us the output of "lspci" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:35.54 | enouf | cnfused: nothing? not even command not found? |
| 17:35.54 | JordiGH | jelly: A hodgepodge of everything but etch. :-/ |
| 17:36.14 | enouf | cnfused: install pciutils ... if you did receive that message |
| 17:36.16 | cnfused | sorry.. im on a kvm switch... other machine not on irc |
| 17:36.20 | JordiGH | jelly: In this case, mostly lenny. |
| 17:36.22 | jelly | JordiGH: so you have apt new enough to know about automatically installed packages |
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| 17:36.28 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, dude you shouldnt have to install tons of bloat either but you do just to get some apps you dont want to track down? |
| 17:36.42 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: I chose that bloat when I chose "gnome". |
| 17:36.48 | enouf | oh .. duh, if no results were found, then nothing .. |
| 17:37.28 | JordiGH | jelly: apt-get, you mean? Right, but this dude wants me to mark automatically installed packages as manually installed, which is semantically wrong. |
| 17:37.33 | cnfused | when i entered command nothing happened.. just back to prompt |
| 17:37.40 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, i do not want you to mark anything manually installed! |
| 17:37.47 | enouf | ok, do what stew asked cnfused |
| 17:37.49 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, never once did i ask you to do that. |
| 17:37.49 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Yes you do, otherwise I have to remove all of gnome. |
| 17:37.59 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Do you understand how aptitude works? |
| 17:38.17 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, :) yeah, it setup all 5 of my debian boxes to work perfectly to all my needs |
| 17:38.22 | jelly | JordiGH: no, I mean you might have installed it using apt-get back when it didn't know aobut automatically installed, and it made all dependencies look manually installed |
| 17:38.38 | JordiGH | jelly: No, I've never used apt-get on this machine. |
| 17:38.53 | cnfused | im really a noob... I just want to do like in windoze and check my hardware in a gui... like look at my video card, sound card etc... sorry, i only installed deb 2 days ago :-) |
| 17:39.14 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, also if you disabled the totem plugins they would not show in "about:plugins" which you have yet to post. you just put up a png of your addons menu |
| 17:39.16 | stew | cnfused: "lspci" will list all that stuff |
| 17:39.23 | JordiGH | I did "aptitude install gnome", that automatically installed all of gnome; the only way to remove one of the things that was automatically installed is to remove gnome, which also removes everything that was automatically installed when gnome was installed. |
| 17:39.25 | enouf | cnfused: do you have X, i guess not? if not, you have console only? /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 17:39.39 | stew | cnfused: if you really want a gui, try 'hal-device-manager' |
| 17:39.39 | cnfused | unfortunately lspci did nothing.. just back to the ~$ prompt |
| 17:40.03 | cnfused | hal device ... is that in package mgr list? |
| 17:40.17 | stew | cnfused: does "cat /proc/bus/pci/devices" list a bunch of junk? |
| 17:40.28 | cnfused | let me try that... brb |
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| 17:40.31 | stew | cnfused: 'hal-device-manager' is |
| 17:40.37 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: .mov for Totem indeed doesn't show up in about:plugins... but mplayer .mov plugin doesn't show up. |
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| 17:40.50 | ahi | hey ppl |
| 17:40.55 | ahi | I come from slackware |
| 17:41.12 | stew | welcome |
| 17:41.19 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, check the config file and see that quicktime is enabled for mplayer-plugin |
| 17:41.23 | enouf | gezunheit |
| 17:41.28 | enouf | +d |
| 17:41.30 | cnfused | well.. cat gave a bunch of stuff |
| 17:41.36 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Ah, wait, no, I do see the .mov plugin for mplayer, it's further down... |
| 17:41.43 | ahi | I tried to get flashplayer 10 for AMD4 (labs adobe) to work on iceweasel AMD64, but it doesnt work |
| 17:41.44 | stew | then i don't know why lspci wouldn't also give a bunch of stuff |
| 17:41.55 | ahi | do u know what to do? |
| 17:42.00 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, so what does it do when you play them? |
| 17:42.01 | stew | ahi: on etch? or on slackware? or what? |
| 17:42.10 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, what is the link you are trying to use |
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| 17:42.11 | cnfused | give exact command agin for lspci |
| 17:42.17 | stew | cnfused: "lspci" |
| 17:42.35 | enouf | cnfused: dpkg -l pciutils |
| 17:42.37 | cnfused | lspci space pipe space vider right? |
| 17:42.45 | cnfused | video |
| 17:43.08 | enouf | cnfused: no, the spaces do not matter, and VGA , not video |
| 17:43.09 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Blank... just... nothing. As if no plugin were available. |
| 17:43.18 | stew | cnfused: "lspci | grep VGA" would limit the lspci output to only include lines about VGA cards, however if "lspci" doesn't list stuff at all, there is nothing to limit |
| 17:43.19 | ahi | stew: in etch |
| 17:43.24 | Lagbolt | did you restart iceweasel after changing plugns? |
| 17:43.24 | enouf | cnfused: but lspci will spit out all info |
| 17:43.28 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Of course. |
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| 17:43.36 | cnfused | "lspci | grep vga" |
| 17:43.43 | enouf | troll |
| 17:43.57 | stew | ahi: afaik flash10 will not work in etch, use flash9, which you can get from the flashplugin-nonfree package from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:44.11 | ahi | oh |
| 17:44.11 | cnfused | let me try again brb |
| 17:44.22 | enouf | nope |
| 17:44.29 | stew | cnfused: "lspci | grep -i vga" or "lspci | grep VGA" |
| 17:44.30 | ahi | stew: so I need to do some nspluginswrapper?? |
| 17:44.35 | JordiGH | Ah, whatever, fuck it. |
| 17:44.41 | JordiGH | Apple, fuck you and your stupid non-free formats. |
| 17:44.42 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, what is the link dude |
| 17:44.46 | stew | ahi: yes, which would be installed for you with the flashplugin-nonfree package |
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| 17:44.49 | JordiGH | http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/ |
| 17:44.58 | cnfused | -i ... ok brb |
| 17:44.59 | stew | ahi: or use gnash, which is a free alternative |
| 17:45.09 | JordiGH | Or swfdec |
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| 17:45.18 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, works for me. i have to right click and tell it to play. but i have mine setup not to auto start |
| 17:45.26 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, do apple trailers in HD work? |
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| 17:45.38 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Fuck Mac. I don't need this shit anyways. |
| 17:45.39 | cnfused | -i ... ok brb |
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| 17:46.14 | cnfused | ahh... -i gave answer... intel chipset.. now i need to find drivers that will work with SL |
| 17:46.14 | ahi | stew: I think gnash doesn't work for my webpages |
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| 17:46.25 | cnfused | thanks for the help all |
| 17:46.35 | JordiGH | ls |
| 17:46.39 | ahi | stew: thanks for the help |
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| 17:47.38 | enouf | is afraid to mention -nn |
| 17:48.10 | JordiGH | Sam didn't accept my patch for the WTFPL. :-( |
| 17:48.32 | jelly | it's a good thing cnfused didn't say _which_ intel chipset [s]he had, so we couldn't have told him whether 3D worked with the drivers in etch |
| 17:48.51 | JordiGH | There are intel cards that don't work on etch? |
| 17:49.07 | jelly | JordiGH: yes. |
| 17:49.07 | JordiGH | I guess... Intel might have made newer cards in the meantime. |
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| 17:49.14 | jelly | esp. 3D |
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| 17:49.40 | JordiGH | Why is it taking so long for EXA to get good? :-/ |
| 17:49.51 | jelly | EXAworksforme :-D |
| 17:50.08 | JordiGH | I want my Xv acceleration! And 3d! And compiz! And Nexuiz! ALL AT ONCE! |
| 17:50.32 | JordiGH | right now uses X11 output for video and uses the laptop as a comfy legwarmer. |
| 17:50.32 | jelly | shrugs |
| 17:50.46 | jelly | JordiGH: which vga card? :-) |
| 17:51.13 | JordiGH | The GM945 card, which has the X1300 chipset, I think. |
| 17:51.31 | jelly | and you have no direct rendering? |
| 17:52.02 | JordiGH | jelly: Oh, I do. With XAA. Which doesn't do Xv and 3d at the same time. EXA does, but then the framerates get ugly. |
| 17:52.40 | jelly | uses opengl video output on an i915GM, because it has bilinear smoothing when the video is scaled (fullscreened) |
| 17:52.42 | JordiGH | So, I can either have compiz and a leg warmer, or no compiz and a cold lappy. |
| 17:53.08 | JordiGH | And compiz at the same time? |
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| 17:53.28 | jelly | JordiGH: if you don't use it already, try newest xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg, and libgl1-mesa-dri from experimental |
| 17:53.35 | jelly | I don't do compiz |
| 17:53.42 | JordiGH | I'm a little scared of experimental X, to be frank. |
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| 17:54.04 | JordiGH | But then again, Debian seems to have abused the meaning of experimental, "too unstable for sid", so maybe I'll try it out. |
| 17:54.05 | jelly | it's surprisingly nice, more stable than stable or lenny or sid for me |
| 17:54.29 | JordiGH | Yeah, jelly, I'm not giving up X. It's an excellent window manager, glitz aside. |
| 17:54.33 | JordiGH | Er, compiz. |
| 17:54.52 | jelly | JordiGH: the quality of experimental packages varies with the maintainer; I find the xorg and intel bits nice. |
| 17:55.02 | JordiGH | jelly: So... you say I should try the experimental X? Hm... |
| 17:55.28 | JordiGH | y |
| 17:55.35 | jelly | not "X"... exactly those three mentioned. Yes they'll pull some deps, but not all |
| 17:56.14 | JordiGH | Nice, this will also rmove all the x-x-video-* packages for cards that I don't use. |
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| 17:57.10 | JordiGH | Alright, jelly, I'm trusting you on this one... |
| 17:57.31 | JordiGH | jelly: So you use EXA and Xv? |
| 17:57.53 | jelly | JordiGH: Xv works, but I use mplayer -vo gl2 instead |
| 17:58.15 | JordiGH | And what about games? Do they work? |
| 17:58.16 | stew | JordiGH: wrt 'abusing experimental', note that things are going in there becuase of the lenny freeze |
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| 17:58.42 | JordiGH | stew: I understand, but it's still kinda unfortunate. :-/ |
| 17:58.53 | stew | JordiGH: and if you are interested, see recent threads on -project -vote -devel about adding some other way to have an upgrade path to testing without having to keep unstable as frozen |
| 17:59.52 | JordiGH | stew: I've kinda followed the drama on Planet Debian, but I think I'll just wait until the dust settles and see what they decide. |
| 18:01.14 | JordiGH | stew: Btw, I don't think I've seen you post to Planet. |
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| 18:01.20 | jelly | JordiGH: eh, i915GM driver was too crappy for most games but the simplest ones |
| 18:01.26 | JordiGH | stew: Not a big blogger? |
| 18:01.35 | jelly | JordiGH: haven't really tried any recently |
| 18:01.50 | JordiGH | jelly: 945 is mine, right? Nexuiz is quite playable on mine right now. |
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| 18:02.08 | JordiGH | It doesn't do fancy lighting, but it's got the basics there. |
| 18:02.17 | jelly | JordiGH: of 'gl apps, I use gliv as the image viewer and mplayer -vo gl2, and xscreensaver-gl ones ;-) |
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| 18:03.13 | jelly | compiz had 5-15 fps framerate last I tried (in '06) |
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| 18:03.26 | JordiGH | Oh, wow, Manoj resigned? |
| 18:03.39 | JordiGH | jelly: It's perfectly smooth here, and has been since '07. |
| 18:03.55 | jelly | JordiGH: your card is better by 30. |
| 18:04.38 | JordiGH | Alright... new X... time to boot it. |
| 18:04.39 | JordiGH | brb |
| 18:05.00 | stew | JordiGH: no, definately not a big blogger |
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| 18:08.46 | JordiGH | Well... |
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| 18:08.59 | JordiGH | jelly: I get weird scanlines when rotating the cube. |
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| 18:09.07 | jelly | whee! |
| 18:09.10 | JordiGH | And my keys are mapped wrong. |
| 18:09.19 | jelly | I mean, #debian-x -> irc.debian.org |
| 18:09.28 | JordiGH | But maybe that's my xmodmap acting up. |
| 18:09.41 | jelly | people still use xmodmap? |
| 18:09.50 | ahi | hey stew, how do I get the non-free backports in sources.list for flash to work on AMD64? |
| 18:09.59 | JordiGH | How am I supposed to swap my menu and ctrl keys which Dell stupidly put in Emacs-unfriendly positions? :-/ |
| 18:10.05 | jelly | thought xkb was the latest trend |
| 18:10.13 | JordiGH | I can't figure out how to use xkb. |
| 18:10.13 | stew | judd: verisons flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 18:10.14 | judd | stew: Error: "verisons" is not a valid command. |
| 18:10.17 | JordiGH | xmodmap was hard enough to use. |
| 18:10.20 | stew | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 18:10.26 | judd | stew: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 experimental/contrib: 1:2 sid/contrib: 1:2.2 |
| 18:10.34 | JordiGH | Let me fiddle a bit... brb |
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| 18:10.39 | stew | ahi: sorry, it appears to be in contrib, not in non-free |
| 18:10.41 | jelly | JordiGH: xmodmap is easy once you find Zawinski's excellent xkeycaps |
| 18:11.00 | ahi | stew: so?? what do I have to do? |
| 18:11.20 | jelly | but yes, xkb is completely unfriendly |
| 18:11.31 | stew | ahi: follow the instructions page on backports.org |
| 18:11.40 | JordiGH | Oh, wow, my keyboard is *really* messed up. |
| 18:11.55 | JordiGH | up key is mapped to "print screen" |
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| 18:11.59 | JordiGH | right alt is mapped to "enter" |
| 18:12.13 | JordiGH | There's no way that xmodmap messed it that badly... |
| 18:12.19 | JordiGH | brb |
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| 18:13.31 | kazabe | hi |
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| 18:13.43 | kazabe | can i forward a port in the same network? |
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| 18:13.51 | brettpch | does anyone here know if debian Lenny has a built in mdraid rebuild? I have 3 machines, all running software mdraid, and they all rebuilt at the same time. Problem is I can not find a cron job for it. Does anyone know where to look for this? |
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| 18:15.54 | JordiGH | jelly, my X server is full of fail. :-( |
| 18:16.02 | JordiGH | I'm holding you personally responsible. |
| 18:16.27 | jelly | brettpch: /etc/cron.*/mdadm ... not sure where exactly |
| 18:16.29 | JordiGH | Now I have the fun task of trying to downgrade back to lenny. |
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| 18:17.06 | jelly | JordiGH: eh, just install xserver-xorg/lenny xserver-xorg-video-intel/lenny libgl1-mesa-dri/lenny |
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| 18:19.14 | JordiGH | Hm, yeah, that downgrades those packages, removes some I don't think I need, and doesn't reinstall the -video-* ones that I don't need. |
| 18:19.31 | BCM44 | I need to be able to insert a cd in imac running debian and have it stream to other imacs running debian. Does anybody know how to do this using only cli? (gui does not work on them.) |
| 18:19.56 | JordiGH | BCM44: "stream"? Music, you mean? |
| 18:20.06 | BCM44 | yes |
| 18:20.06 | brettpch | jelly: There is no mdadm in any of the cron.* dirs |
| 18:20.07 | BCM44 | sorry |
| 18:20.52 | virhilo | if i downloaded debian pendrive image from: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ where can I found iso image neded by it? |
| 18:21.43 | jelly | brettpch: do you have mdadm package installed? |
| 18:21.55 | Lagbolt | brettpch, /etc/cron.d/mdadm |
| 18:22.08 | Ian_Daniher|XO | !ddddddhhh`qpkg |
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| 18:22.16 | jelly | Lagbolt: that glob would have matched /etc/cron.d/mdadm though |
| 18:22.31 | Lagbolt | hmm, didnt see that |
| 18:22.43 | brettpch | Lagbold: thats it, Jelly: sorry, I missed that dir, lagbolt is correct, my bad :( |
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| 18:23.53 | jeee | can u can u guys help me get rid of all the gnome stuff, so i can have a fast boot to lxde on my eee |
| 18:24.03 | BCM44 | I need to be able to insert a cd in imac running debian and have it stream the music to other imacs running debian. Does anybody know how to do this using only cli? (gui does not work on them.) |
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| 18:24.44 | Lagbolt | shoveee, what are you trying to get rid of? all of gnome? how long is your boot time? |
| 18:24.49 | virhilo | when can i find debian etch netinst iso? |
| 18:24.58 | virhilo | s/etch/lenny/ |
| 18:25.15 | shoveee | i wanna get rid of it all! |
| 18:25.16 | Lagbolt | virhilo, debian.org , there is a link for "getting debian" |
| 18:25.19 | shoveee | and be left with lxde |
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| 18:25.38 | Lagbolt | !tell shoveee about remove gnome |
| 18:25.40 | shoveee | i did thee sudo apt-get remove gnome-desk-enior |
| 18:25.48 | shoveee | then auto remove |
| 18:26.29 | Lagbolt | shoveee, did you get the msg from dpkg? it tells how to do it |
| 18:26.29 | virhilo | Lagbolt: no there are only *full* cd and dvd for lenny |
| 18:26.29 | virhilo | i want netinst:) |
| 18:26.33 | shoveee | i have lenny |
| 18:26.37 | shoveee | which gnome is that |
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| 18:27.15 | stew | virhilo: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:27.17 | cahoot | 2.22.3 |
| 18:27.25 | Lagbolt | virhilo, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:27.58 | JordiGH | jelly: Well, it looks like I'm back to normal. That wasn't so bad, and it was some good excitement for my otherwise dreary Friday morning. |
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| 18:28.37 | virhilo | stew: Lagbolt and there are only cd 1-32 and kde and xfce live cd :( |
| 18:29.10 | Lagbolt | virhilo, are you serious? the netinst is first thing |
| 18:29.25 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.26 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:30.06 | virhilo | Lagbolt: sry - my error |
| 18:30.08 | virhilo | fail |
| 18:30.15 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 18:30.26 | enouf | brettpch: make sure to check out the # AUTOCHECK: option in /etc/default/mdadm |
| 18:30.33 | frogger | hi, i've a debian server, an everytime, when the admin is rebooting the mashine the plone service had to be startet manualy. how can i realize a autostart of plone. normaly i start ist with: sudo /opt/Plone-2.5.5/zeocluster/bin/startcluster.sh |
| 18:30.36 | virhilo | looking at weakly hehe |
| 18:30.42 | virhilo | thx |
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| 18:33.52 | JordiGH | jelly: One thing that did get fixed with the newer xorg is an annoying bug about keyboard switching which I was blaming on gnome, but I can probably now blame on xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
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| 18:45.13 | enouf | frogger: see rc.local maybe, otherwise, make a real startup script |
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| 18:46.26 | hachi | apart from the environment variable TZ and /etc/localtime, what is consulted to determine the current timezone something should run in? I have a box here that I just rebooted a few hours ago. /etc/localtime has been set to PST/PDT for 2 years now, and it still set to that. My TZ=America/Los_Angeles. but when I launch screen via `ssh -qt example.net screen -p irssi -UDR main` I somehow end up in CST |
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| 18:48.52 | enouf | hachi: look at it this way - even Einstein had issues with time :-P |
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| 18:50.21 | Lagbolt | enouf, lol not if he was standing very still :-p |
| 18:51.50 | seldon | He always did, in his own inertial frame. |
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| 18:52.11 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 18:55.32 | hachi | I'm not having problems with time, I'm having problems with time zones |
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| 18:55.47 | dmajnem2 | anybody know why gnome-terminal does not start with xterm-256color? |
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| 18:56.03 | enouf | hachi: does it do the same if you remove the -t option? or try -T or many -ttt |
| 18:56.14 | hachi | Fri Dec 19 12:55:46 CST 2008 |
| 18:56.58 | enouf | is the machine you're connecting to based in CST? or using UTC? or .. check settings in /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:57.05 | hachi | UTC |
| 18:57.17 | hachi | UTC and then localtime is set to PST |
| 18:57.26 | hachi | nothing has anything to do with CST |
| 18:57.56 | hachi | same result with -ttt, doesn't work with -T (as I expected) |
| 18:58.51 | hachi | I'm reading an strace of this, but it doesn't seem like it's reading anything that claims CST |
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| 19:02.00 | enouf | so both boxen are utc and are set to pst? |
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| 19:03.55 | enouf | oh .. how about dropping the irssi bit - there was a bug, not sure if related to timezones though |
| 19:04.04 | enouf | !screen+irssi |
| 19:04.04 | dpkg | methinks screen+irssi is run "crontab -e" and add "@reboot screen -S irssi -d -m irssi", then (after next reboot) you can attach to irssi using "screen -x irssi" |
| 19:05.07 | enouf | i wonder if your hardware clock was somehow set to CST ... hrm.. or is the IRC Server set in CST? hrm... |
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| 19:08.15 | hachi | nope |
| 19:08.22 | hachi | hwclock is set to UTC in both cases |
| 19:08.35 | hachi | and I'm not launching it with cron |
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| 19:08.44 | doudou | what is package for loadkeys programm? |
| 19:08.44 | hachi | the -DR is launching a new screen session |
| 19:09.28 | maploin | what group should i join in order to be able to mount devices in nautilus? |
| 19:09.34 | doudou | what is the key to change channel with weechat |
| 19:10.13 | doudou | i found that key |
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| 19:19.31 | doudou | hoz can i change my keybord from console |
| 19:21.40 | cahoot | outside x? |
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| 19:23.01 | doudou | yes startx fail |
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| 19:24.05 | doudou | seem that a vesa function did not work |
| 19:25.01 | doudou | anyway i cant have right keyboardm i have no google |
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| 19:40.53 | doudou | seems that thsi bushit of programm was console-setup |
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| 19:41.24 | cusco | still here? |
| 19:41.26 | doudou | what a shame, configured the screen, the fonts, the kbd ... |
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| 19:41.55 | doudou | the hell is here, keep things as simple as possible |
| 19:42.34 | doudou | in fact all this is a mess of friends sharing their programms, and bulding castles |
| 19:42.51 | doudou | how could this become so stupid |
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| 19:46.46 | bogomolov | some1 skilled on pam_mount can help me? |
| 19:46.48 | doudou | can you explain me how installing with root privileges so many programs can maintain the security of separing root and other users? |
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| 19:52.13 | renton_ | i've a lenny, i installed some things from etch-backports, i want to remove all those package, how can i get the list of all the things i've currently installed from etch-backports? thanks |
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| 19:56.53 | newsense | Insolit, try dpkg -S libvncserver.so.0 |
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| 20:00.49 | ryanCH | i tried, "aptitude install kde", but i all i get is a whole bunch of messages saying "Attempting to access beyond of device"... later is says "Failed to fetch cdrom", what is wrong? |
| 20:01.08 | funyun | how do i get install flash to work with iceweasel in lenny? |
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| 20:01.17 | jelly-home | !de |
| 20:01.18 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 20:01.19 | abrotman | !tell funyun about dmm |
| 20:01.21 | cahoot | ryanCH: your sources.lst |
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| 20:01.49 | Industrial | How do I search though installed packages? (Note, I do not mean _browsing_ with aptitude.) |
| 20:01.56 | HardDisk_WP | Industrial, dpkg -l |
| 20:01.57 | cahoot | ryanCH: they seem to presume cdrom src |
| 20:02.01 | Industrial | ty |
| 20:02.21 | HardDisk_WP | np |
| 20:03.00 | ryanCH | cahoot: what do you think is wrong, exacty?... |
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| 20:03.47 | cahoot | ryanCH: I guess your sources.list include cdrom - check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:04.24 | ryanCH | well, i'm trying to install it from a CD |
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| 20:04.38 | ahi | hey ppl |
| 20:04.52 | cahoot | ryanCH: ok - and you have correct cd in place? |
| 20:05.16 | ahi | when I change to a tty that doesn't have X server executing my screen goes to energy save mode, do u know what can I do? |
| 20:05.22 | ryanCH | cahoot: it shows insert, "BINARY-1" and it's in the drive |
| 20:06.26 | cahoot | ryanCH: faulty cd? |
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| 20:06.42 | ryanCH | i installed KDE from it before, though |
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| 20:07.05 | renton_ | i found that with dpkg-query i can specify a format of the listed packages... how can I show from which repository the package comes from?? |
| 20:07.05 | ahi | do u know what can I do? |
| 20:07.11 | bogomolov | ahi, ur using framebuffer? |
| 20:07.13 | cahoot | ryanCH: altf2 and check dmesg? |
| 20:07.15 | renton_ | ${Origin} doesn't work |
| 20:07.33 | Neaai | ryanCH: I've had that a couple of time. for some odd reason, maybe because of a certain type of drive and a certain type of CD (or the way it's written) it doesn't recognise properly. You could try to eject and reinstert the cd in the drive. I've even had to reboot the box as well. It seemed vodoo to me. |
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| 20:07.59 | ryanCH | ehe |
| 20:08.07 | ahi | bogomolov: I dont know, the only thing I know is that this only happens on my debian etch |
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| 20:09.06 | bogomolov | ahi, try this: reboot the machine and, on grub screen edit the command-line and append "vga=normal" at end of line |
| 20:09.23 | ahi | ok |
| 20:09.28 | ahi | I'll try |
| 20:09.34 | Neaai | ryanCH: I have also had ocasions when CD burned with my own drive didn't boot on the same machine. Yet in others they did boot. |
| 20:09.44 | ahi | anywys, I need to get into console mode to install nvidia drivers |
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| 20:10.06 | ahi | this line will have a problem wiith my nvidia drivers?? |
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| 20:11.29 | renton_ | maybe what i'm asking isn't possible? |
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| 20:13.50 | stew | renton_: its not possible to say "which things were installed from where", but it is possible to see "which things are currently available from where" but that won't help if your backports stuff is not up to date |
| 20:14.09 | stew | renton_: however, all the backports packages should have "bpo" in the version string |
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| 20:14.50 | stew | renton_: also note that all the etch-backports packages should have a lesser version than any currently available packages in lenny |
| 20:16.45 | renton_ | stew: thank you very much. |
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| 20:18.49 | renton_ | oh.. seems i just installed on a lenny, from etch-backports: flashplugin-nonfree and sun-java6-* |
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| 20:18.59 | bogomolov | cya every1 |
| 20:20.00 | renton_ | probably it's better if i remove them... isn't? |
| 20:23.23 | \amethyst | flashplugin-nonfree is not in lenny anymore |
| 20:23.32 | \amethyst | you might be better off with the sid version there |
| 20:23.42 | Industrial | 6foo |
| 20:23.48 | Industrial | ups |
| 20:23.52 | \amethyst | sun-java6-* should be available in lenny; make sure you have non-free in your lenny sources and not just in backports |
| 20:24.08 | newsense | renton, i extracted the .gz from adobes site and created a ~/.mozilla/plugins/ dir and put libflashplugin.so in there , sid version crashes iceweasel on my lenny box |
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| 20:25.20 | cahoot | newsense: got wpasupplicant set up? |
| 20:26.11 | newsense | cahoot yeah thanks again works awesome |
| 20:26.14 | renton_ | ok.. so i take java from lenny, and flsh from sid |
| 20:26.16 | renton_ | thank you |
| 20:26.26 | lszyba1 | sorry to ask this question here.but there might be people here that might know this.. |
| 20:26.26 | lszyba1 | how I can regex: 4245 N. Cicero and match only 4245 regularex: ^[0-9] ???how can I match all numbers at the beginning of a line... |
| 20:26.29 | newsense | had a hard time finding interfaces option but when i found it was very simple |
| 20:27.24 | cahoot | newsense: as always man pages are most legible if you already know what to do |
| 20:27.50 | newsense | cahoot, read the mans than a little google pushed me over the edge :) |
| 20:28.28 | mordy | how can i make dd_rescue not stall like 5 minutes over each bad block it finds? |
| 20:28.28 | ryanCH | how can i make it so a bash script is executed when i login to the shell at, kernel init mode 3? |
| 20:28.38 | mordy | (there are like 100 bad blocks, at least) |
| 20:28.44 | newsense | cahoot, example conf's you pointed me too were a lifesaver too since theres no conf to start with by default so i copied and modified an example |
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| 20:29.25 | cahoot | newsense: the kind of pseudoknowldge that keeps your system running |
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| 20:29.54 | newsense | lmao exactly |
| 20:29.59 | mordy | lol |
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| 20:31.16 | Arawn | http://pastebin.com/m326dc8cb <- does anyone know what my harddisks are? i have 2 connected |
| 20:31.27 | Arawn | (it's a ls of /dev) |
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| 20:31.39 | Guerin | Arawn: fdisk -l |
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| 20:31.44 | Arawn | hold on |
| 20:31.51 | Guerin | there's never any good reason to just ls /dev |
| 20:32.07 | Arawn | oh |
| 20:32.25 | Arawn | hmm i don't seem to have fdisk |
| 20:32.27 | mordy | unless you just want to ls /dev for the fun of it |
| 20:32.32 | mordy | apt-get install fdisk |
| 20:32.46 | Guerin | Arawn: be root. It's installed by default. |
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| 20:33.00 | mordy | although if you do have a disk, it should be under "disk" maybe? |
| 20:33.16 | mordy | is this a floppy boot disk? |
| 20:33.39 | Arawn | hmm only 1 harddisk |
| 20:33.43 | mordy | d'oh, didn't see the second column |
| 20:34.20 | Arawn | http://pastebin.com/m450d411d |
| 20:34.51 | Arawn | there where did it leave my second.. hmm |
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| 20:36.05 | Arawn | ok thanks for the help |
| 20:36.28 | Guerin | Arawn: you have one hard drive. Good luck with the second. |
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| 20:38.26 | norbert- | question: is anyone here using voipbuster with linphone? |
| 20:38.40 | Guerin | !anyone use voipbuster with linphone? |
| 20:38.41 | dpkg | No, no one uses voipbuster with linphone, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:38.56 | Arawn | i'm trying to call with voipbuster right now, but it fails on me |
| 20:39.36 | Arawn | Guerin: yeah i guess the controller is being disobediant |
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| 20:39.46 | Arawn | brb, gonna shutdown |
| 20:39.50 | Arawn | i guess it's a hardware problem |
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| 20:44.50 | norbert- | !anyone use viopbuster via linphone |
| 20:44.51 | dpkg | No, no one uses viopbuster via linphone, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:44.58 | norbert- | !anyone use linux on a computer |
| 20:44.58 | dpkg | No, no one uses linux on a computer, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:45.08 | norbert- | !kick dpkg |
| 20:45.09 | dpkg | kicks dpkg in the ass. |
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| 20:49.51 | mordy | i'm trying to backup an old partition on a bad disk (many read bad blocks) - dd_rescue stalls for about 5 minutes at each bad block, and that would mean a very long time to wait until it's done. is there any other solution one can thihnk of? |
| 20:50.02 | excitatory | is it possible to reinstall a package, and have apt reinstall that packages dependencies? (i'm trying to make a custom apt repo DVD for a friend's offline installation, and i want to download a bunch of apps and their required deps so i can achieve this) |
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| 20:53.15 | LoveGuru | excitatory: i think u can do that.. im not sure "man apt-get" |
| 20:54.31 | excitatory | you would think |
| 20:54.36 | excitatory | but i've been at this for a week now |
| 20:54.50 | excitatory | build-dep is the closest solution, but i can't get it to work |
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| 20:55.13 | LoveGuru | what about with --purge ? |
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| 20:56.03 | excitatory | i just wish apt-get install reinstall would just reinstall the whole dep chain.. seems like it would be more effective overall as a default functionality.. i mean if you need to reinstall an app, you probably want to reinstall everything it depends on right? wouldn't that increase your chances of resolving an installation issue? |
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| 20:56.59 | newsense_ | excitatory, i use debfoster and if you remove an app using it the depends are removed too |
| 20:57.14 | newsense_ | hope that helps |
| 20:57.59 | newsense_ | well at least any packages the package in question is keeping installed |
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| 20:58.43 | \amethyst | excitatory: the problem is that introduces more variables into the debugging process. unless there is a versioned depends declared, it should be possible to use the new program with the old library |
| 20:59.38 | excitatory | i see.. |
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| 21:02.21 | virhilo | i installed debian without netwokr |
| 21:02.48 | virhilo | how mirrors should I have with sources.list? |
| 21:02.56 | virhilo | s/with/in/ |
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| 21:03.06 | virhilo | s/how/what/ |
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| 21:03.52 | jimpy | why without network? |
| 21:04.29 | virhilo | jimpy: cecouse netinstall don't support wireless connections |
| 21:04.32 | jimpy | without network you should probably get your hands on the whole set of debian CD's |
| 21:04.39 | cahoot | !mirrors |
| 21:04.40 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 21:05.20 | simonrvn | !etchnhalf |
| 21:05.20 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 21:05.27 | LqR | I'm usually starting X via the console with startx, but I just realized that would propose a problem on a laptop, since if someone stole it while it was in sleep for example, they could just switch to the virtual terminal from which I started X, press C-c and have full access to my computer. Is there any way to start X, detach it and log out? |
| 21:05.30 | simonrvn | could be that too |
| 21:06.13 | newsense_ | virhilo, http://paste.debian.net/24065 < thats what mine looks like |
| 21:06.20 | cahoot | LqR: if they stole it why bother? |
| 21:06.23 | simonrvn | sure. startx &; disown; logout |
| 21:06.31 | virhilo | newsense_: thx |
| 21:06.51 | xerophytev | does anybody know any good light wait tabbed terminal program for xfce ? |
| 21:06.54 | LqR | cahoot: Well I wouldn't want to give them access to all my files, private keys and so on. |
| 21:07.02 | simonrvn | they'd probably wipe the thing clean and install vista on it anyway.... |
| 21:07.12 | cahoot | vista? |
| 21:07.19 | LqR | Yeah, probably. |
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| 21:07.29 | LoveGuru | Hi, Still i didn't find any solution for my Samba sharing, Is there someone can please really help me out this is my smb.conf " http://www.pastebin.ca/1289751 " |
| 21:07.31 | LqR | But one can never be too careful. :) |
| 21:07.47 | jimpy | xerophytev: i enjoy aterm although its a bit dated |
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| 21:08.03 | LqR | is using rxvt-unicode, but that's not tabbed. |
| 21:08.08 | newsense_ | virhilo, when ya setup your sources.list dont use the line numbers btw |
| 21:08.19 | virhilo | newsense_: i'know |
| 21:08.24 | xerophytev | jimpy: does it have tabs .. |
| 21:08.24 | simonrvn | cahoot: same reason someone would steal a laptop. stupidity and greed. |
| 21:08.26 | newsense_ | ok |
| 21:08.31 | cahoot | simonrvn: there's no limit for your grade of despair? |
| 21:08.35 | virhilo | btw-what means: main contrib etc? |
| 21:08.38 | xerophytev | jimpy: i installed aterm i could not get the atbs ;) what keys need to pressed to get the tabs |
| 21:08.42 | doudou | startxx doesnot start, how can i send log? |
| 21:08.58 | jimpy | xerophytev: no but i'd generally use screen in it anyway |
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| 21:09.10 | simonrvn | cahoot: we're capable of great heights of goodness, and great depths of sickness. just a realist. |
| 21:09.19 | xerophytev | jimpy: i want tabs :) |
| 21:09.46 | funyun | is there a program that will allow me to extract certain files from a rar file, but not all of them? |
| 21:09.58 | newsense_ | virhilo, some packages arent in debian by default due to legal reasons so those packages end up in contrib and non-free or something like that google it |
| 21:10.03 | simonrvn | yeh, rar |
| 21:10.12 | simonrvn | or unrar, rather |
| 21:10.20 | funyun | i have rar, how do i do it with rar? |
| 21:10.21 | jimpy | xerophytev: sry i missed that in your initial question |
| 21:10.31 | funyun | oh, i'll try unrar |
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| 21:10.44 | stew | they don't end up in contrib for legal reasons, but non-free can for legal reasons, but more often just because it isn't free |
| 21:10.54 | xerophytev | jimpy: looks like mrxvt does |
| 21:11.06 | newsense_ | stew, yeah i read about it years ago but forget the specifics now |
| 21:11.08 | stew | in the case of rar, its becuase its actually non-free in the sense that it costs money |
| 21:11.31 | stew | newsense_: contrib is free but requires something that isn't in main (something that could be free or not free) |
| 21:11.34 | doudou | can there be a problem using a different kernel? |
| 21:11.35 | virhilo | hmm... how to install openssh-server without x11?:> |
| 21:11.45 | newsense_ | stew, thanks thats it i was close |
| 21:12.10 | jimpy | xerophytev: ooh i hope thats the one im thinking of |
| 21:12.17 | simonrvn | virhilo: er, what? use aptitude ... |
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| 21:12.34 | jimpy | I installed a term once - it was amazing but then i forgot what it was called |
| 21:12.49 | doudou | aptitude search ssh |
| 21:12.53 | jimpy | and i think that might be it |
| 21:12.57 | doudou | man unrar |
| 21:13.29 | LoveGuru | Someone please can help ? or do i repeat my question |
| 21:13.50 | virhilo | simonrvn: can i use some times aptitude some times apt-* ? or it'll be better if i chose one and use it all the time? |
| 21:14.18 | jimpy | LoveGuru: hold up looking now |
| 21:14.18 | mordy | can anyone recommend a good and small live cd to deal with disk operations? |
| 21:14.19 | stew | virhilo: you'd have to recompile it yourself. note that installing openssh-server will install some x11 libraries, but its not like it makes you install a full blown x server |
| 21:14.21 | newsense_ | LoveGuru, http://wiki.debian.org/Network#head-2e6b2ffff48d519c8e2b49cf52feb900e66820a5 |
| 21:14.25 | LoveGuru | jimpy: thx |
| 21:14.25 | abrotman | mordy: debian |
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| 21:15.13 | DanDare | Hello. There´s not the x264 codec avaliable in Etch ? |
| 21:15.15 | LoveGuru | newsense: well i m trying to figure out since last night.. i dont know where is the problem my conf is stright forward. but still something fishy n the sharing not working :< |
| 21:15.19 | DanDare | i cant find it :( |
| 21:15.29 | jimpy | LoveGuru: your paste is blank to me |
| 21:15.47 | simonrvn | virhilo: stick with one. but if you wanna switch over some time later it won't matter. but switching back and forth every other time or similar gets apt-get and aptitude "confused". |
| 21:16.02 | virhilo | simonrvn: thx |
| 21:16.02 | mordy | abrotman: the download speeds for debian live are horribly slow - i get about 30kb/s |
| 21:16.17 | virhilo | stew: thx-so i'll install that from repo:) |
| 21:16.26 | mordy | unless perhaps i can get some pointers as how to make one myself |
| 21:16.49 | LoveGuru | jimpy: sorry for that.. http://pastebin.com/d6482a7a8 |
| 21:16.54 | simonrvn | oh, that's what he meant. of course, the xauth thing, for x forwarding. |
| 21:17.24 | simonrvn | virhilo: the x forwarding isn't enabled by default. |
| 21:17.29 | jimpy | LoveGuru: and whats wrong? |
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| 21:29.58 | doudou | i plug a usb device, /dev/sdb, it is detected as sdb1, and fdisk does not want to access /dev/sdb , have i a bug? |
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| 21:33.01 | enzotib | doudou, have you the privileges? |
| 21:33.11 | jimpy | doudou: dont know, can you recreate the problem on a different computer or with a different memory stick |
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| 21:33.23 | Shadowcat | ........ |
| 21:33.30 | Shadowcat | he might be trying to mount /dev/sdb |
| 21:33.34 | Shadowcat | which obviously wouldn't work |
| 21:33.37 | abrotman | mordy: then ask ##linux for a recommendation |
| 21:33.40 | doudou | Ayes i have root privileges |
| 21:33.44 | beardy | Why do you think it is a bug just because you're doing it wrong. |
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| 21:34.08 | doudou | i dd on /dev/sda and know i am able to fdisk it |
| 21:34.21 | doudou | but seems i lost the cylinders |
| 21:34.31 | mordy | abrotman: after a short google i found "damn small linux" as well as a good server for debian live... as much as i think i search, i can always search more |
| 21:35.51 | doudou | wikipedia show a picture of many many linux distrib |
| 21:36.42 | mordy | they are too many for me to look at |
| 21:36.56 | jimpy | doudou: have you tried specifying the -t switch as `mount -t FAT32 /dev/sdb1 /mnt` |
| 21:37.00 | mordy | :P |
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| 21:40.04 | doudou | jimpy i dont try to mount it, i boughtit this afternoon, i want to fdisk it to create partitions |
| 21:40.32 | doudou | seems it is not possible with this kernel |
| 21:41.00 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I've got two problems with rhytmbox on debian lenny. The first is that every time I start it I get error boxes popping up, three of them, that say "unable to activate plugin jamendo" and then the same for cover art and magnatunes. Now... this is strange because in the plugins menu those options aren't checked. It shouldn't be trying to activate them. |
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| 21:41.19 | doudou | it want to keep the sda1 partition, and fdisk /dev/sda fail |
| 21:41.50 | oOarthurOo | The second problem is that I cannot move songs to the trash from within RB, because I cannot move songs to the trash from outside of RB. The music folder is on a separate partition and I cannot send anything from that partitino to the trash can. In fact, I can't even find a trash folder on that partition. |
| 21:42.07 | doudou | i want to fdisk it, then format it, then start mount it and install the gentoo |
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| 21:43.26 | newsense_ | doudou, there is cfdisk and sfdisk also |
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| 21:46.01 | ahi | ey ppl |
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| 21:46.31 | ahi | My screen goes energy save mode when I change tty, any ideas? |
| 21:46.34 | doudou | cfdisk : Error cannont get the disk size |
| 21:46.53 | ahi | I have tried to add vga=normal to the kernel lines |
| 21:46.59 | ahi | but it doesn't work |
| 21:47.32 | doudou | i did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda count=100; now i can fdisk /dev/sda but all is lost and i dont know how to fix that |
| 21:48.12 | newsense_ | doudou, create new partitions be happy ? |
| 21:48.52 | ahi | any ideas? |
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| 21:50.44 | ahi | My screen goes energy save mode when I chage tty, i trid to add vga=nrmal to kernel boot entry, but it still doesn't work, any ideas? |
| 21:50.47 | doudou | why not? why it is not possible is the real question |
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| 21:53.48 | \amethyst | I guess some devices might put the partition table in ROM |
| 21:54.41 | \amethyst | seems kind of silly, but I have had USB mass-storage MP3 players that would not take a repartition |
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| 21:55.52 | Octalot | If it's just a single filesystem, it doesn't need a partition table |
| 21:56.21 | mordy | fdisk lists a partition as existing, but when i try to mount it, it tells me it doesn't exist |
| 21:56.32 | Octalot | I've seen a device that took MMC cards, and could read any except those formatted by WinCE (which added the table). |
| 21:56.40 | mordy | oh wait, it just mounted |
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| 21:57.08 | oOarthurOo | Is the reason I can't send anything to the trash on that partition something to do with my permissions? I don't have read / writer access to the root of ht partition.. only my folder on that partition. |
| 21:57.41 | oOarthurOo | And if so... what is the smartest way to go about allowing stuff to be sent to the trash, if I hope to allow multiple users to use this partition for their data. |
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| 21:57.55 | oOarthurOo | I can't see anyway around them being able to see each others trash |
| 21:58.36 | \amethyst | put their home directories on the partition |
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| 21:59.13 | bono | hello |
| 21:59.22 | bono | is that posssible to play dvd under linux up to 60x speed |
| 21:59.29 | bono | like WINDVD |
| 22:01.30 | doudou | i use to have a partition to boot, i cant uderstand why this sd card do not want to be partitionned |
| 22:01.32 | karsten | bono: Increase the rate of playback? Most of the DVD players offer that. Or twhat? |
| 22:01.33 | oOarthurOo | \amethyst: That's not really an option at this point. I need a next best case solution. I'm already willing to acknowledge that I won't get exactly the same functionality. I just want to restore the ability to send stuff to trash without having too much problems with access to each others files |
| 22:02.53 | doudou | i try another computer |
| 22:03.52 | cryptnix | mysql libraries on etch ... apt-get'n them wahts the package? anyone? (please) |
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| 22:05.06 | stoned | department of science |
| 22:05.15 | stoned | !tell cryptnix -about search |
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| 22:05.38 | oOarthurOo | So... I'm wondering what's the best way to do that. Should I make the root partitioned owned by the group users, and then add people to it? Or uhh.. maybe I just need to set the 'x' bit on the partition? |
| 22:06.34 | bono | Yo |
| 22:06.55 | bono | but i need the speed reach 60x |
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| 22:08.34 | bono | seems like linux having such tool?karsten? |
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| 22:11.22 | ameyer | you can't play dvds at 60x, period. the theoretical maximum is 16x, above that, there are massive vibration issues. |
| 22:11.36 | karsten | bono: I have NFC what WINDVD is or does. If you can explain what "speed reach 60x" means in context, I might be able to point you somewhere. |
| 22:11.43 | karsten | bono: As it stands your question isn't clear. |
| 22:12.16 | karsten | bono: If you're talking about record/playback rates of the drive, there are some utilities which can set that. cdrecord is the interface to many of those. |
| 22:13.18 | LqR | Hm. It seems I don't have permission to run "startx&", how do I change that? |
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| 22:15.53 | Guerin | LqR: talk to your admin |
| 22:15.56 | Tal|Away-Idle | I am trying to find a control module/applet/interface that will allow me to configure the permissions and access rights for a user account, as I'm putting together a system for my friend's kids. I'm personally more familiar with RH, and am looking for something similar to the old 'session manager', that interfaced the back-ends to apply those settings. |
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| 22:16.55 | Tal|Away-Idle | Is there any such thing, or am I better off trying it with webmin and chmod, chown, and the like |
| 22:16.57 | Tal|Away-Idle | ? |
| 22:16.57 | LqR | Guerin: I am my admin. :) |
| 22:17.03 | doudou | what is strange is : scsi3 direct-Access sandisk sddR113 |
| 22:17.20 | Guerin | Tal|Away-Idle: you're never better off with webmin |
| 22:17.29 | LqR | I recall having to do something with xauth, just not exactly what |
| 22:18.07 | Tal|Away-Idle | Guerin: I agree, but, given that I am working with Debian for the first time, that's about the only thing I could thing that would suit my needs for a quick and clean configuration. |
| 22:18.08 | Guerin | LqR: you shouldn't ever have to touch xauth if you're running a local x session on debian |
| 22:18.20 | Guerin | !wayttd Tal|Away-Idle |
| 22:18.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Tal|Away-Idle? |
| 22:18.22 | doudou | i would likely beleive that it is debian that is playing with hardware |
| 22:18.25 | Guerin | details |
| 22:19.19 | Tal|Away-Idle | dpkg: I'm trying to configure this Edubuntu computer system to have the network, internet, admin tools, and other specific settings and controls completely restricted and removed from view, for the children I've built the box for. |
| 22:19.19 | dpkg | Tal|Away-Idle: You are moron #30 |
| 22:19.35 | Tal|Away-Idle | Amusing bot. |
| 22:19.38 | Guerin | !moron Tal|Away-Idle |
| 22:19.38 | dpkg | Tal|Away-Idle: You are moron #33 |
| 22:19.47 | Talendel | Again, amusing bot. |
| 22:19.48 | Guerin | Talendel: ask in #edubuntu |
| 22:20.14 | Talendel | Guerin: I checked Ubuntu and Edubuntu. I was referred to Debian, because none of them knew how to do what I want to do. |
| 22:20.28 | bono | oh...karsten,,,,i just mean normally... |
| 22:20.28 | Talendel | And none of them knew of any base admin packages that would allow for such a configuration. |
| 22:20.37 | bono | what we can see on the OSD |
| 22:20.56 | bono | usually it will show some thing like 2x 8x 32x |
| 22:20.58 | Guerin | Talendel: well, it can be done, but we don't support *buntu here, because we have no way of knowing what they've broken and fucked with |
| 22:21.00 | doudou | never forget that if somebody have oftenly a concept like "moron" in head, he must not be very far himself |
| 22:21.06 | Eulex | Talendel, if you run debian (or intend to), we can help you. otherwise not. |
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| 22:21.22 | Guerin | Talendel: so ask again, or refer to their web help forums, or install debian and we'll help |
| 22:21.25 | Talendel | Guerin: So ignore the fact that it's *buntu, and help me on the base-line that it's built on Debian. |
| 22:21.30 | bono | i am looking for some time in linux to that |
| 22:21.34 | Guerin | Talendel: no. Doesn't play that way |
| 22:21.38 | Talendel | laughs |
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| 22:21.46 | Talendel | Okay. Sure thing. |
| 22:21.51 | LqR | Guerin: it's running fine if I'm not trying to run it detached, with an & after "startx" that is. |
| 22:22.19 | Guerin | LqR: hm, curious. |
| 22:22.23 | bono | i dont the the internall of pla back speed |
| 22:22.23 | Talendel | shakes his head and has another laugh at the 'helpful users', who seem more inclined to say 'go away', or to use bots to cast insults |
| 22:22.25 | LqR | Yes. |
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| 22:22.34 | doudou | in fact i suppose that before choosing a distrib, you should spend a lot of time auditing the channel for help, as you likely will need a lot of help |
| 22:22.38 | Guerin | !customer |
| 22:22.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 22:22.44 | mordy | lol |
| 22:22.53 | bono | so how to set it? |
| 22:23.02 | Eulex | the bad thing is that #debian gets its reputation from these people... |
| 22:23.17 | Guerin | how is that a bad thing? |
| 22:23.54 | doudou | i never said they are the worst, nor the best, who knows, only thing that is certain is that you will need help |
| 22:23.59 | bono | i am not meaning burnning a cd or dvd...karsten |
| 22:24.33 | hachi | hi, I'm running a lenny xen box... it's throwing:' Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working.' |
| 22:24.35 | mordy | although ubuntu's forums have just about anything |
| 22:24.44 | hachi | but I can't find any suggestions on how to fix it that work |
| 22:24.51 | hachi | anyone got xen running on lenny? |
| 22:24.55 | mordy | although i can personally say that a lot of the advice given there has been crude even for my standards |
| 22:25.06 | doudou | i would likely prefer a distrib where doc is different than the "moron method" search google |
| 22:25.09 | Guerin | !anyone use xen running on lenny? |
| 22:25.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses xen running on lenny, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:25.24 | mordy | lol |
| 22:25.28 | hachi | wow |
| 22:25.32 | hachi | that just tells me nothing |
| 22:25.42 | hachi | see, it's hard to know if anyone is actually using it unless you ask around |
| 22:25.44 | Guerin | hachi: ask your real question, don't poll |
| 22:25.52 | hachi | 16:24 < hachi> hi, I'm running a lenny xen box... it's throwing:' Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working.' |
| 22:25.58 | Guerin | cool |
| 22:25.59 | hachi | did you not see me ask my question? |
| 22:26.01 | Guerin | now wait |
| 22:26.06 | LqR | Haha |
| 22:26.18 | Guerin | i know nothing about xen, someone else might |
| 22:26.20 | LqR | I'd rather call that making conversation. |
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| 22:26.49 | hachi | yeah, I was trying to talk to people |
| 22:27.00 | cusco | yea I agree with hachi's aproach |
| 22:27.01 | doudou | is someone able to plug in my computer, "just to help"? |
| 22:27.02 | hachi | if you aren't running xen, why are you railing on me? |
| 22:27.15 | mordy | ok, i'm breaking my head over this: is there a way to alter the standard "timeout" (?) for determining whether a block in a disk is bad? |
| 22:27.27 | cusco | just because polling gets people nowhere most of the times, doens't mean always |
| 22:27.57 | Eulex | mordy, what's your real problem? |
| 22:28.05 | mordy | and i want to do this only temporarily, only for a single disk - i'm trying to copy it using various methods, but it has a ton of bad blocks and it's taking forever |
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| 22:28.32 | hachi | mordy: I've used `sdd` to force only single try for reading a block... |
| 22:28.46 | stew | mordy: tried ddrescue? it handles bad blocks more gracefully than some others |
| 22:28.51 | cusco | !tell mordy about ddrescue |
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| 22:28.58 | cusco | oops |
| 22:29.17 | doudou | google ddrescue+debian |
| 22:29.17 | Eulex | at least he doesn't miss it |
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| 22:29.36 | mordy | stew: i tried it - but got the same |
| 22:30.31 | mordy | it keeps going on - but let me check out sdd |
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| 22:30.32 | oOarthurOo | what's the minimum priveleges I need to give a user in order for them to send files to the trash on a separate partition? I have four users each with a separate folder on /dev/sda4 mounted to /data. I understand the best way would be to put home on their, but I need the second best way. |
| 22:31.20 | mordy | i mean to say that dd_rescue doesn't quit on errors, but the disk has hundreds of bad blocks and it takes about 5-10 minutes to bypass each of them |
| 22:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | the trash is on a separate partition? |
| 22:31.40 | cusco | oOarthurOo: can you re-phrase that? |
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| 22:31.45 | mordy | it's a 20GB ntfs partition - and that's the only partition on the disk |
| 22:32.07 | nullboy | mordy: it's a situation where time can't be pressed, you just gotta wait when it comes to data recovery |
| 22:32.22 | oOarthurOo | CutMeOwnThroat: I have no trash on that folder at the moment... because no user has write privelage to any folder but their own.. and I *think* that debian is trying to set up a ./trash folder at the root of the partition... which they can't write to at the moment. |
| 22:32.31 | nullboy | i've waited 8 days for some data recovery efforts on large disks |
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| 22:32.53 | Xires | oOarthurOo; add each user to a specific group and chown the directory to that group then chmod g+w the directory |
| 22:32.53 | mordy | nullboy - in addition (or as a result of) this disk being broken, it makes a really annoying noise |
| 22:33.06 | nullboy | mordy: welcome to the world of data recovery.... |
| 22:33.15 | cusco | oOarthurOo: chmod a+r /.trash |
| 22:33.25 | cusco | sorry |
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| 22:33.29 | cusco | oOarthurOo: chmod a+w /.trash |
| 22:33.39 | mordy | i suppose i could place the disk somewhere else and just stream it over ssh |
| 22:33.42 | oOarthurOo | cusco: Uhh... /dev/sda4 mounted to /data, user folders at /data/user1 /datauser2 ... etc. Only have access to their own folder. They can't send anyting to trash. |
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| 22:34.12 | Guerin | memnon: why would that work any better? |
| 22:34.16 | Guerin | rrr |
| 22:34.21 | Guerin | mordy: ^ |
| 22:34.23 | oOarthurOo | Xires: so give group 'users' for example, write permission to /data, or just /data/.trash |
| 22:34.31 | oOarthurOo | the second I think... ok I will try that. |
| 22:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oOarthurOo, "Debian" is surely not trying to make a trash folder... KDE or gnome might try to do something like that |
| 22:34.53 | Xires | either-or, just /data/.trash would be better if you want to create the directory yourself |
| 22:34.56 | mordy | guerin, would let me place the disk in a different room so i won't need to hear that annoying noise |
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| 22:35.07 | nullboy | mordy: honestly, you should be grateful that the disk even works at all and use that fact to get what you can off it. putting up with some noise and a lengthy process shouldn't be an issue |
| 22:35.12 | memnon | Guerin: ?! |
| 22:35.20 | Guerin | memnon: miskey, please disregard. |
| 22:35.24 | memnon | k |
| 22:35.36 | Guerin | mordy: well, if that matters... |
| 22:35.43 | oOarthurOo | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not very precise with how I think or write. But yes, you are correct. |
| 22:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | oOarthurOo, and yes... the simplest way would be to give everyone write permission... - if you want to prevent people from deleting other peoples files, set the sticky bit |
| 22:38.07 | Guerin | see /tmp for an example |
| 22:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oOarthurOo, you could even do ln -s /data/.trash /tmp (if that's the directory we're talking about) - or you could probably reconfigure KDE/gnome/whatever to put trash in the home dir |
| 22:38.43 | Guerin | yeah |
| 22:39.03 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.05 | oOarthurOo | CutMeOwnThroat: well... currently gnome does send files to home dir. The problem is their files are symlinked into their home dir from the shared /data partition. |
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| 22:42.13 | roland- | hey, any good gui wireless client ? |
| 22:42.20 | roland- | wicd fails to see my wireless network |
| 22:42.38 | mordy | wifi-radar |
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| 22:43.01 | oOarthurOo | roland-: wpasupplicant_gui |
| 22:43.39 | roland- | i cannot find wpasupplicant_gui |
| 22:43.47 | roland- | backported ? |
| 22:43.59 | oOarthurOo | roland-: thought... i suppose that's technically just a gui interface to a non-gui method of controlling your wireless... and I think it's only in Lenny. |
| 22:44.12 | roland- | I have lenny |
| 22:44.48 | oOarthurOo | sorry... it's called wpagui |
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| 22:45.24 | stoned | hola |
| 22:45.27 | stoned | que pasa |
| 22:45.34 | oOarthurOo | roland-: You'll need to read up on wpa_supplicant in roaming mode ... at a minimum you need to create a wpa_supplicant.conf file and set the control option to 1... by default it is commented out. |
| 22:46.49 | roland- | wifi-radar fails |
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| 22:47.14 | roland- | I mean is a wep key but it cannot connect |
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| 22:47.36 | oOarthurOo | roland-: In exchange for it being a little harder to setup than say, network-manager, the nice thing is how reliable it is. Suspend / resume, switching between available networks, it all works really wep. Because it's just a front end to wpa_supplicant, which is very good. |
| 22:47.40 | Guerin | roland-: does it work with plain iwconfig? |
| 22:47.57 | roland- | yes I can scan for networks using plain iwconfig |
| 22:48.01 | stoned | hey |
| 22:48.03 | stoned | I said hola |
| 22:48.03 | mordy | "it all works really wep" lol - funny typo |
| 22:48.06 | mordy | hey stoned |
| 22:48.08 | Guerin | roland-: then use that. |
| 22:48.09 | roland- | wicd worked fine butnow only sees wired networks |
| 22:48.12 | stoned | mordy, chat |
| 22:48.24 | Guerin | this just goes to show that gui tools are shit |
| 22:48.26 | roland- | I need a guy thing im not a config fan I switch networks often |
| 22:49.21 | Guerin | good luck, then |
| 22:49.32 | stoned | man I have a headache |
| 22:49.43 | Guerin | I'd just pre-configure a bunch of networks and use a one-liner to connect to the appropriate one in a given case |
| 22:49.47 | stoned | you need a guy thing? |
| 22:49.50 | stoned | uhm what? |
| 22:49.58 | Guerin | stoned: guy~=gui |
| 22:49.59 | stoned | gui |
| 22:50.00 | stoned | haha |
| 22:50.17 | mordy | lol |
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| 22:51.23 | oOarthurOo | roland-: here... these instructions are wrong at several points... for example, you'll need a reboot. But they'll at least get you started in the right direction |
| 22:51.24 | oOarthurOo | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27573 |
| 22:51.55 | roland- | insists with wicd |
| 22:52.08 | roland- | is there a way to switch video cards without reboot? |
| 22:52.15 | mordy | uhh |
| 22:52.16 | roland- | I have the vaio z serios which has 2 video cards |
| 22:52.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | reboot? eek |
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| 22:53.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean physically take one video card out and put another in? |
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| 22:54.58 | karrotx | how do i update my openssl to patch the vulnerability listed here: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 |
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| 22:56.16 | Eulex | karrotx, perform a normal package update. then regenerate your ssl certs. |
| 22:56.33 | karrotx | Eulex: i did this, rapidssl is still saying the server is vulnerable |
| 22:56.58 | karrotx | i'm installed packaged is: Installed: 0.9.8c-4etch3 |
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| 22:57.49 | karrotx | is there something that i'm missing? |
| 22:58.21 | Eulex | karrotx, and you did generate your certificates? |
| 22:58.27 | Eulex | *regenerate |
| 22:58.34 | karrotx | yes, i regenerated my csr |
| 22:59.07 | karrotx | when i upload the csr to rapidssl to reissue the cert it says the csr was created on a vulnerable box |
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| 23:00.07 | Mxldr | !permasunday |
| 23:00.07 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 23:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | karrotx, what version of Debian, what version of... wazzit.. openssl? |
| 23:04.58 | Dr_Link | I'm setting up Debian on a laptop, is it bad if I forgot to tick the box in setup that read "Laptop" while selecting the things to install? |
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| 23:05.17 | Dr_Link | I hit Enter thinking it would tick the box, but instead it cleared the box and setup started copying files |
| 23:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | bad, bad, bad, bad |
| 23:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | (just kidding, of course) |
| 23:05.49 | Eulex | Dr_Link, no |
| 23:05.49 | karrotx | CutMeOwnThroat: etch, $openssl version -> OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006; Installed: 0.9.8c-4etch3 |
| 23:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openssl |
| 23:06.05 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: openssl -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch3 etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch3 lenny: 0.9.8g-14 sid: 0.9.8g-14 |
| 23:06.08 | Eulex | Dr_Link, when setup has finished, run tasksel, select the laptop task, and off you go |
| 23:06.15 | Gun_Smoke | I'm trying to understand how to grab all dependencies for wpasupplicant and download them to a thumb drive for transfer to another machine.. can I flag aptitude build-depends to download only? |
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| 23:06.21 | eptalon | heyas |
| 23:06.32 | Dr_Link | Eulex, I have no network connection on this laptop |
| 23:06.49 | Eulex | Dr_Link, you have a debian cd, right? |
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| 23:07.04 | Dr_Link | just CD 1 |
| 23:07.13 | eptalon | Are there any recommendable encryption tools that porvide a good protection? |
| 23:07.21 | nkuttler | Gun_Smoke: sure, man aptitude |
| 23:07.29 | zinx | eptalon: gpg |
| 23:07.32 | Guerin | eptalon: yes. |
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| 23:07.35 | zinx | eptalon: what kind of encryption do you want? |
| 23:07.55 | Eulex | Dr_Link, that may be enough. just set up apt properly to fetch packages from the cd (this is probably done automatically; never used anything but the netinst) |
| 23:08.05 | Guerin | zinx: the sort that porvide a good protection! |
| 23:08.13 | eptalon | zinx: plausible deniability-file gone/dir gone if passowrd is forgotten. |
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| 23:08.28 | zinx | eptalon: oh, gpg's not what you want then |
| 23:08.33 | karrotx | CutMeOwnThroat: any ideas? |
| 23:08.40 | eptalon | zinx: thats what I thought. |
| 23:09.01 | eptalon | zinx: gpg is ofr signing mail, mostly |
| 23:09.12 | zinx | uhm, no |
| 23:09.20 | zinx | but it's not for what you want. |
| 23:09.48 | eptalon | zinx: I dont want to encrypt a file; I am looking at whole directories |
| 23:09.53 | xorl | hmmm |
| 23:09.58 | Gun_Smoke | nkuttler, I'm looking at that right now.. build-depends has no mention of download only. would aptitude download build-depends do it? |
| 23:10.00 | xorl | I have a broadcom 14e4:165a (network card) |
| 23:10.08 | zinx | the plausible deniability part is the part that cuts down your options |
| 23:10.10 | xorl | Which install disk can i use to get networking work out of the box? |
| 23:10.20 | zinx | there are plenty of things to encrypt filesystems / directories |
| 23:10.28 | zinx | (gpg is not that, however) |
| 23:10.39 | Gun_Smoke | nkuttler, No that wont do it either, because it attempts build-depends as a package. |
| 23:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | karrotx, I think you should test the certificate locally... perhaps you just don't restart the remote server properly, and it's still the old certificate? |
| 23:10.51 | Eulex | xorl, are you able to run lspci -n? |
| 23:10.51 | eptalon | xorl: generally netcard support is not bad.. |
| 23:11.10 | xorl | Eulex: That's how I got the 14e4:165a |
| 23:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, you should have /usr/bin/openssl-vulnkey on your system |
| 23:11.19 | xorl | but it's broadcom corporation unknown device |
| 23:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 23:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | karrotx, ^^ |
| 23:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | karrotx, if not, it's in openssl-blacklist |
| 23:11.44 | xorl | i know what it is already from googling but no fix |
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| 23:12.05 | Eulex | xorl, feed it into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 23:12.07 | roland- | hey I am having a problem |
| 23:12.13 | roland- | 2008/12/20 01:10:14 :: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.12" is not allowed to own the service "org.wicd.daemon" due to security policies in the configuration file |
| 23:12.23 | xorl | v2.6.25 |
| 23:12.30 | xorl | Which netboot CD supports that testing? |
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| 23:13.16 | mordy | well, i'm going to try debmed:/home/mordy# sdd if=/dev/sdb1 try=1 -noerror | gzip -c9 > backup.gz and see if this works |
| 23:13.21 | Eulex | xorl, for making lspci detect it properly, you could try running update-pciids |
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| 23:13.43 | xorl | No no, this kernel doesn't support it |
| 23:13.44 | xorl | I know that much |
| 23:13.47 | xorl | 2.6.18-6 |
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| 23:14.01 | abrotman | tried etchnhalf ? |
| 23:14.22 | Eulex | xorl, lenny beta has 2.6.26 afaik |
| 23:14.33 | xorl | hmm |
| 23:14.36 | Eulex | etchnhalf has 2.6.24 |
| 23:14.58 | xorl | Eulex: testing? |
| 23:15.06 | Eulex | lenny is currently testing, yes |
| 23:15.06 | nkuttler | Gun_Smoke: you want the sources of the build-deps? |
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| 23:16.16 | nkuttler | Gun_Smoke: nevermind, rtfm |
| 23:16.36 | xorl | hmmm no netinstall for testing? |
| 23:16.40 | xorl | gotta grab that massive ISO |
| 23:16.51 | peterm | hi, ich moechte gerne die benutzerverwaltung meiner maschinen ueber ldap (kerberos?) moeglich machen so dass nicht auf jeder maschine irgendwo alle benutzer angelegt sind sonder man sich zentral authentifiziert |
| 23:16.58 | peterm | wo muss ich an anfangen zu suchen? |
| 23:16.59 | Knorrie | !de |
| 23:17.00 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 23:17.13 | peterm | oh sorry i thoug i joined debian-de |
| 23:17.20 | Knorrie | ;) |
| 23:18.50 | peterm | hehe !de is nice for expressing ,,this is /not/ a german channel'' |
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| 23:23.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ldap |
| 23:23.10 | dpkg | ldap is probably TYPE /join #LDAP NOW! or a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 23:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably this howto is a good starting point |
| 23:24.02 | nullboy | 503 for me |
| 23:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, indeed |
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| 23:24.53 | peterm | :-( @ howto |
| 23:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:EOxUC4H7vk4J:howto.aphroland.org/HOWTO/LDAP+http://howto.aphroland.org/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a |
| 23:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | who needs servers when there's google cache |
| 23:25.12 | peterm | lol |
| 23:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | or ... wossname archive.com? |
| 23:25.32 | abrotman | archive.org |
| 23:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | close :) |
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| 23:28.02 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ?? |
| 23:28.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, !! |
| 23:28.15 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: NM. |
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| 23:29.01 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: That one usually goes the other way. People mis-nicking karrotx for me. |
| 23:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I really don't see why it autocompleted to your nick and not karrotx' up there... I must have typoed... |
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| 23:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, now you get it back :) |
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| 23:34.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterm, actually, as there is something like sshfs now, I wonder if the old idea of "just mount the passwd/shadow files" couldn't be revived |
| 23:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | or rsyncing them every 5 minutes :) |
| 23:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would only work for small number of users, though |
| 23:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
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| 23:36.37 | peterm | cutmeownthroat, hmm that would do the trink yes |
| 23:36.44 | peterm | i didn'teven think about that |
| 23:36.57 | peterm | but in sshfs you have to mount hole directories |
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| 23:37.07 | peterm | hmm but /etc/passwd could be a symlink |
| 23:37.13 | peterm | it's not the nicest way |
| 23:37.19 | peterm | but it would work i guess |
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| 23:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, when the network is gone, the users are gone |
| 23:41.15 | zinx | and when the users are gone.... my G-line *!*@* succeeded, mua ha ha! |
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| 23:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | this would be much easier, if multiple passwd/shadow files were possible |
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| 23:42.47 | infinity1 | /etc/passwd a symlink? |
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| 23:42.55 | infinity1 | is someone on drugs in here? |
| 23:43.07 | Dephisto | hi, is here someone? I need help with xorg.conf, i would like to have 3D acceleration |
| 23:43.11 | cloakable | CutMeOwnThroat: they are, afaik. check out /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 23:43.35 | Dephisto | my notebook si imb thinkpad A30, graphic card - radeon mobility M6 LY |
| 23:43.35 | k-os | Dephisto, why'd you need to mess with xorg.conf for that? |
| 23:43.56 | Dephisto | or how i could set up it? |
| 23:44.15 | Dephisto | because i have old notebook, newer easy drivers does not work |
| 23:44.21 | k-os | Dephisto, what does the wiki say about ati drivers? |
| 23:44.57 | Dephisto | I have tried this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver |
| 23:45.20 | k-os | Dephisto, this is _not_ ubuntu! |
| 23:45.27 | Dephisto | i know, but i have |
| 23:45.29 | Dephisto | xubuntu |
| 23:45.33 | k-os | you're in the wrong place |
| 23:45.37 | Dephisto | and on xubuntu is no one to help me |
| 23:46.00 | Dephisto | i think the problem should be similar on other distribution |
| 23:46.04 | k-os | still, this is debian, and debian is not ubuntu anyway |
| 23:46.08 | Dephisto | ubuntu is from debian |
| 23:46.26 | Joelito | debian > *buntu |
| 23:46.32 | k-os | exactly, hence the problem |
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| 23:46.58 | Joelito | *buntu = debian + unstable packages + canonical stuff |
| 23:46.59 | peterm | dephisto, which graphic card do you have? |
| 23:47.03 | memnon | Dephisto: I just googled. I found no similar problem for *debian*. |
| 23:47.20 | Dephisto | i have ati radeon mobility M6 LY |
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| 23:47.23 | peterm | memnon, because most debian machines don't need hardware 3d acceleration ;-) |
| 23:47.27 | k-os | Dephisto, you're better of solving this by reading the debian wiki on ati, or consult the ubuntu room |
| 23:47.39 | Dephisto | graphic is ok, but i'd like to have 3D acceleration |
| 23:47.54 | memnon | Dephisto: gra- what? ;) |
| 23:47.56 | enouf | Dephisto: go to #ubuntu, or ##linux, or #ati if using fglrx |
| 23:48.02 | Dephisto | card |
| 23:48.18 | Dephisto | ok i will try that |
| 23:48.21 | Dephisto | bye |
| 23:48.23 | enouf | Dephisto: and learn how to show people lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 23:48.29 | memnon | I do not even know if my thinkpad x30 has any kind of 3d acc. Can not help there :( |
| 23:48.56 | peterm | hehe do i smell some discrimination against ubuntu users here ;-) |
| 23:49.08 | enouf | Dephisto: try also #radeon if you are using Xorg drivers |
| 23:49.08 | Dephisto | ok |
| 23:49.09 | heffay | debian is an ancient african word that means "i cant configure debian" |
| 23:49.28 | peterm | recrusive acronymes to the max! |
| 23:49.30 | k-os | heffay, isn't it that ubuntu? |
| 23:49.30 | heffay | ubuntu* |
| 23:49.34 | peterm | lol |
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| 23:51.32 | heffay | the funny thing is that i use debian berause i ran never get ubuntu to work right |
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| 23:51.44 | heffay | can* |
| 23:51.49 | Shovi | How can i get a graphicsl network manager for LXDE??? |
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| 23:52.21 | GhostlyDeath | Would it be possible to output sound samples at 1MHz instead of 44KHz? |
| 23:53.31 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: hrm .. there is an application that will redo that .. damned if i remember the name |
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| 23:53.32 | abrotman | but you realize the sound will be mostly shot? |
| 23:53.32 | peterm | ghostlydeath, you could write write a script which transforms your files, but i don't think your soundcard will be able to play these |
| 23:53.32 | memnon | Why the hell does everyone want a gui for networks?! ifup ifdown works for me. |
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| 23:53.33 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 23:53.40 | GhostlyDeath | Would there be a way to check how high my soundcard can go? |
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| 23:54.00 | Shovi | i want a gui because im on a EEE |
| 23:54.00 | peterm | didn't mean soundcard i meant speakers |
| 23:54.07 | Shovi | and i dont have room to scroll up and look at avail networks |
| 23:54.23 | GhostlyDeath | peterm: I'm not going to use speakers to play this sound |
| 23:54.40 | peterm | which kind of device than? |
| 23:54.40 | GhostlyDeath | in fact I'm just using it to create a signal |
| 23:54.49 | peterm | a like a modem signal? |
| 23:54.51 | peterm | nice |
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| 23:54.55 | memnon | Shovi: iwlist ethx scan | less ? |
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| 23:55.20 | peterm | but then you don't want to transform a file but simply create a new one |
| 23:55.43 | peterm | iirc you can specifi in the wav header in which frequency the signal points should be played |
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| 23:56.11 | memnon | Shovi: I am just curious. I never used one of these gui network stuff. Whats the advantage? |
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| 23:56.20 | Shovi | why argue :\ why not help |
| 23:56.26 | peterm | ghostlydeath: there it is: dwSamplesPerSec |
| 23:56.38 | Shovi | because i can choose a network much easier when i have a bunch to choose from |
| 23:56.47 | memnon | Shovi: Please, no offense. Really just curious. I do not know any guis, as I mentioned. |
| 23:57.15 | peterm | memnon, network manager for choosing wifis is really nice if you travel a lot |
| 23:57.26 | abrotman | Shovi: AFAIK .. nothing directly for LXDE, but probably something like network-manager |
| 23:57.28 | memnon | Shovi: Ah, so you connect to lots of different networks all the time, that are not yet preconfigured. Thats a use case I never thought about |
| 23:57.34 | peterm | though it fucks up your /etc/network/interfaces configuration :-D |
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| 23:57.42 | GhostlyDeath | peterm: the sound driver might downsample it however |
| 23:57.45 | newsense_ | i like wpasupplicant |
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| 23:58.03 | peterm | ghostlydeath, yes most likly |
| 23:58.08 | peterm | *likely |
| 23:58.17 | memnon | I heard of wcid |
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| 23:58.30 | memnon | http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:58.59 | doudou | in fact it was not debian with my usb formating,it was the sandisk thing where i plug the sd card that prevent access to partition, i try another it worked |
| 23:59.00 | memnon | Read in a blog that this is "better" than network-manager, because it mostly works out of the box. |
| 23:59.22 | memnon | From a guy who installed lots of machines... So maybe give it a try, Shovi. |
| 23:59.30 | peterm | isn't the purpose of network-manager that it simply works out of the box ;-) |
| 23:59.31 | Shovi | wcid? |
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