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| 00:00.17 | peterm | anybody here who hates nfs and wants to tell my about another network file protocol? ;-) |
| 00:00.18 | Shovi | k |
| 00:00.19 | memnon | peterm: This guy said that he had quite a bit of trouble with network manager, especially after updates. |
| 00:00.43 | peterm | i don't know wcid but it looks nice es |
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| 00:00.45 | peterm | +y |
| 00:01.20 | dustybin | On January 1st. i'm going to try and keep my home server uptime for as long as i can |
| 00:01.21 | doudou | peterm there is somtehing like ide over ethernet? |
| 00:01.23 | memnon | peterm: I saw network manager once on a fresh etch installation. Did not work :( And trying to set up /etc/network/interfaces did not work also. So I got rid of it for him. |
| 00:01.35 | doudou | maybe scsi |
| 00:02.03 | peterm | doudou, i guess not, ide needs strict timing |
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| 00:02.23 | peterm | i think sata might work but ide probably not |
| 00:02.29 | memnon | Shovi: If you install it now and give it a test, please give some feedback. I would like to know whether it is worth recommending... |
| 00:02.32 | doudou | i saw something like this |
| 00:02.43 | dustybin | does anybody here run a debian home server? |
| 00:02.51 | petemc | o/ |
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| 00:02.59 | doudou | could be sata over ethernet, i dont remmember, i just remmember i should try |
| 00:02.59 | S` | hello can someone please help me to set up a pptp vpn server (poptop) on debian... i've tried everything and once connected to the vpn i just can not do any internet related things... help me... |
| 00:03.02 | peterm | doudou, wow you're right http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3189760067.html |
| 00:03.20 | Shovi | alright, memnon |
| 00:03.46 | dustybin | S`: once i spent 2/3 days trying to setup VPN, good luck :) |
| 00:04.08 | S` | dustybin; i've spent the past 1½ month so far hehe |
| 00:04.13 | dustybin | lol |
| 00:04.52 | peterm | hmm openvpn is quite easy to setup but i never tried pptp |
| 00:05.01 | peterm | (openvpn is ssl based) |
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| 00:05.20 | S` | i need something that works natively with windows so it needs to be pptp |
| 00:05.22 | peterm | does pptp tunnel ethernet or simpley ip? |
| 00:05.34 | dustybin | ipsec? |
| 00:06.13 | S` | btw are thete any like, "channels stats" bots in here or similar? |
| 00:07.03 | S` | hello can someone please help me to set up a pptp vpn server (poptop) on debian... i've tried everything and once connected to the vpn i just can not do any internet related things... help me... |
| 00:07.10 | doudou | is there a troll punishment with a no screen found error? |
| 00:07.28 | S` | dustybin; what was the hardest part to set up for you? |
| 00:07.29 | dustybin | S`: can you connnect to the VPN ok? |
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| 00:08.00 | S` | yes it connects and auths. just once connected, i can not browse web sites or do anything through the vnp's ip |
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| 00:08.03 | dustybin | if you can connect, then all you need to do is fiddle with the network settings |
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| 00:08.11 | dustybin | on both client and server maybe |
| 00:08.24 | S` | there is no firewall or anything on the client |
| 00:08.30 | S` | i think server firewall settings maybe |
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| 00:09.04 | dustybin | from my experience, you should avoid setting up VPN until one understands some networking fundamentals |
| 00:09.16 | ddalton | hey im trying to build tesseract-ocr and ocropus; and apparently I need "allheaders.h" what pcakage contains allheaders.h? |
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| 00:09.21 | node5 | i was trying to set up ProFTPd yesterday |
| 00:09.25 | ddalton | package* |
| 00:09.39 | GhostlyDeath | I think i figured it out |
| 00:09.40 | doudou | i explain you, i went to gentoo asking how to migrate, they said read our book (seems you are brothers or something) but the reason why i want to leave debian is startx not working anymore, and i need xserer to read gentoo book |
| 00:09.57 | peterm | S` can you ping somebody on the other side (from client / server?) |
| 00:10.10 | S` | peterm; no |
| 00:10.16 | peterm | try to sniff the incoming packages |
| 00:10.35 | GhostlyDeath | peterm: I could use the properties of waves |
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| 00:10.50 | LoveGuru | jimpy: there ??? |
| 00:10.51 | GhostlyDeath | I could use both channels in stereo sound then mix their waveforms |
| 00:11.02 | peterm | ghostlydeath, as i said, the riff format header ;-) |
| 00:11.12 | GhostlyDeath | peterm: the sound card is the limit |
| 00:11.23 | peterm | only the sky is the limit! |
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| 00:11.37 | GhostlyDeath | peterm: I could get multiple computers to emit the sounds |
| 00:11.43 | peterm | why do you try to output your signals other the soundcard if you don't use speakders? |
| 00:11.49 | doudou | symptom is lspci says unknow device, before it says radeon |
| 00:11.51 | peterm | -d |
| 00:12.03 | GhostlyDeath | then merge their signals together at a different time index |
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| 00:12.21 | peterm | ghostlydeath, that will most likly not work because of timing issues |
| 00:12.24 | zeeble | hey.. i got a dell inspiron 1525 laptop with a 2ghz core 2 duo proc, intel 5300.. which netinstall iso should i get for this? the i386 or the amd64 version? |
| 00:12.27 | GhostlyDeath | they will either add or subtract to the waveform going out |
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| 00:12.36 | GhostlyDeath | peterm: I'd have to time it just right |
| 00:12.47 | peterm | yes you have ;-) |
| 00:12.49 | Yamakiri | I absolutely cannot get flash player to work, can someone help me? |
| 00:13.12 | peterm | 1MHz means 1us period time |
| 00:13.19 | dustybin | what is adobe air? |
| 00:13.21 | memnon | ddalton: apt-file search allheaders.h |
| 00:13.28 | peterm | even with dedicated ethernet connection this is hard |
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| 00:13.43 | GhostlyDeath | peterm: 1GHz processor luckily |
| 00:13.43 | memnon | ddalton: or: apt-file find allheaders.h |
| 00:13.56 | peterm | processor is not the limit, the io is |
| 00:14.00 | sk4 | Yamakiri: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 00:14.11 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 00:14.16 | GhostlyDeath | I'd have to time the IO |
| 00:14.21 | peterm | i've done some reasearch in soft realtime and etherything below 500us is hard to garanty |
| 00:14.30 | sk4 | add media repo before |
| 00:14.34 | GhostlyDeath | I think the best thing would be hardcore assembly |
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| 00:14.43 | GhostlyDeath | dedicate the entire computer to processing the signal |
| 00:14.44 | GhostlyDeath | and timing |
| 00:15.10 | peterm | ghostlydeath, i guess a dedicated device (atmel or avr or something) would be easiers |
| 00:15.12 | Yamakiri | sk4: how do I add a media repository? |
| 00:15.13 | peterm | *easier |
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| 00:15.26 | memnon | ddalton: did it help?? |
| 00:15.26 | peterm | then you can controll thread scheduling and everything |
| 00:15.52 | sk4 | edit sources.list |
| 00:15.53 | jimpy | LoveGuru: yo |
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| 00:16.12 | m1r | hello |
| 00:16.48 | zeeble | can anyone tell me which netinstaller iso to download - i386 or amd64 for a dell core2duo 2ghz laptop? |
| 00:17.15 | doudou | did i told you i am german? |
| 00:17.20 | sk4 | i choosed amd64 |
| 00:17.38 | LoveGuru | jimpy: sorry got connection problem.. so did u check my smb.conf ? is anything wrong there? |
| 00:17.45 | S` | hello can someone please help me to set up a pptp vpn server (poptop) on debian... i've tried everything and once connected to the vpn i just can not do any internet related things... help me... |
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| 00:17.52 | zeeble | sk4: core 2 duo is amd64? the vista runnong on this says 32bit |
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| 00:18.02 | sk4 | lol |
| 00:18.15 | ampex | S`: what are you using as a client? |
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| 00:18.23 | S` | ampex; win xp |
| 00:18.31 | memnon | zeeble: /me asks google... |
| 00:18.38 | zeeble | memnon: tried.. not very sure |
| 00:18.39 | ampex | S`: the default is to use the remote gateway as your new default gateway under windows |
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| 00:18.47 | jimpy | LoveGuru: I had a peek, i cant see anything wrong initially. I dont know what issue you are having yet though. |
| 00:18.48 | ampex | S`: try turning this off in your connection properties through windows |
| 00:18.48 | zeeble | memnon: cos peeps seem to have used both |
| 00:19.06 | ampex | S`: otherwise, all traffic is routed through the vpn |
| 00:19.13 | LoveGuru | jimpy: i m trying to open my sharing from windows, but its not open :< |
| 00:19.15 | ampex | S`: unless that's what you want |
| 00:19.53 | aoliveira | could any1 help me with a problem about device mapper on debian using lvm2? |
| 00:20.03 | ampex | aoliveira: ask your question |
| 00:20.11 | dustybin | this makes no logical sense |
| 00:20.14 | memnon | zeeble: I never had such a new machine :) ... |
| 00:20.26 | aoliveira | ampex: could i send you a screenshot? |
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| 00:20.31 | folken | hmm I must be nuts: my laptop has configured and in active usage: ethernet, wireless, 3g, virutalbox interfaces, 2 ethernet bridges, 3 vpns, 2*usb ethernet connected devices, and one bluetooth pan net. |
| 00:20.33 | ampex | aoliveira: of what? |
| 00:20.38 | jimpy | LoveGuru: would suggesting that you use ftp be irrational suggestion? |
| 00:20.39 | aoliveira | the error |
| 00:20.49 | zeeble | memnon: lol, i had to get one. my prev laptop had heat issues after 4 years.. |
| 00:20.50 | memnon | zeeble: http://www.oddments.org/notes/debian_dell_1525.html |
| 00:20.51 | dustybin | if i do du -h dvd/ it says 464G dvd/ if i do du -H it says 498G dvd/ |
| 00:20.54 | S` | ampex; i just turned it off and same result. i can not browse any web sites once connected to the vpn. and actually i do want all traffic to go through the vpn |
| 00:20.55 | ampex | aoliveira: you can paste it somewhere |
| 00:21.03 | LoveGuru | jimpy: i know.. i can use it.. but why samba won't work for me :< |
| 00:21.05 | aoliveira | it happens on the boot |
| 00:21.20 | zeeble | memnon: yep, saw that, and this guy uses the amd64 :) |
| 00:21.30 | zeeble | memnon: i was thinking of the i386 till i saw this :p |
| 00:21.34 | ampex | S`: is your client machine and server machine in the same subnet? |
| 00:21.49 | S` | my client is at home and the server is a dedi computer in france |
| 00:22.03 | memnon | zeeble: Well, netinst is not so big. try one, if it does not work, download and try the other one :) |
| 00:22.07 | ampex | S`: but are the IP addresses in the same subnet? |
| 00:22.12 | aoliveira | ampex: do you know any site to paste images? |
| 00:22.13 | zeeble | memnon: lol, ok |
| 00:22.15 | S` | no dude... |
| 00:22.15 | ampex | S`: are you using nat at the remote site? |
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| 00:23.03 | memnon | zeeble: I would go for the amd64 first. If you dislike it, move down |
| 00:23.17 | ampex | aoliveira: nope |
| 00:23.28 | zeeble | memnon: yeah, already downloading the business card version |
| 00:23.37 | aoliveira | ampex: imageshack |
| 00:23.50 | Shovi | ehh i cant dl wicd |
| 00:23.54 | Shovi | i followed instructions |
| 00:23.57 | S` | !stats |
| 00:23.57 | dpkg | Since Mon Nov 10 21:12:13 2008, there have been 152 modifications, 7777 questions, 1702 dunnos, 30 morons and 2331 commands. I have been awake for 39d 3h 11m 44s this session, and currently reference 38559 factoids. I'm using about 17452 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2950.48/160.67 child 0/0 |
| 00:24.01 | Shovi | http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 00:24.01 | ampex | dustybin: and what's the problem? read man du |
| 00:24.05 | aoliveira | ampex: http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorfd8.jpg |
| 00:24.39 | dustybin | ampex: is there a easy way to grep a man page? |
| 00:25.08 | zeeble | memnon: thanks though, i'll try and get back here laters |
| 00:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | man something | grep blah |
| 00:25.13 | zeeble | need to grab some sleep, 6am here |
| 00:25.21 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: easy as that? |
| 00:25.26 | memnon | zeeble: ah, see :) |
| 00:25.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally I find searching within the manpage more efficient, though |
| 00:25.42 | zeeble | or maybe i'll start a base install and sleep |
| 00:25.56 | jimpy | LoveGuru: im no guru on samba all i can suggest is that you just keep tinkering |
| 00:26.01 | ampex | dustybin: -h shows the output in powers of 1024, -H shows in powers of 1000 |
| 00:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, sure... |
| 00:26.07 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: how about grep something, then show the paragraph below? |
| 00:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, but why don't you just search within the manpage? |
| 00:26.25 | aoliveira | ampex: did you see? |
| 00:26.32 | LoveGuru | jimpy! ok |
| 00:26.38 | dustybin | ampex: aye ok, so really normal people would use -h |
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| 00:27.13 | memnon | Shovi: Did you add the apt repository? |
| 00:27.18 | dustybin | wow you can search the man page like vim |
| 00:27.22 | Shovi | yeah |
| 00:27.32 | Shovi | and i added the key |
| 00:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, grep has the -A and -B options... but I'd just seach with '/' (make sure PAGER is set to less) |
| 00:27.35 | Shovi | said OK |
| 00:27.39 | Shovi | then i tryed install |
| 00:27.46 | aoliveira | http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorfd8.jpg Help me |
| 00:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh, PAGER is unset for me :) ... |
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| 00:28.22 | memnon | Shovi: Did you add "your" version: etch/lenny in sources.list |
| 00:28.25 | memnon | ? |
| 00:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I got '/etc/alternatives/pager -> /usr/bin/less', which is just as well |
| 00:28.54 | aoliveira | memnon: me? |
| 00:28.54 | ampex | aoliveira: what caused this to happen? |
| 00:28.57 | Shovi | i have lenny |
| 00:29.00 | aoliveira | update the kernel |
| 00:29.04 | hikenboot | I would like to create 3 volume groups on one hard drive so my setup can be the same as directions i am following from that point onward ...is this possible? |
| 00:29.21 | aoliveira | when i boot with the old one everythin works |
| 00:30.05 | memnon | aoliveira: no, i meant Shovi |
| 00:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, he's running Debian in a VM within windows... that must surely violate _some_ law |
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| 00:30.35 | Shovi | deb http://apt.wicd.net lenny extras |
| 00:30.39 | aoliveira | ampex: what you think that could be? |
| 00:30.40 | memnon | Shovi: What message did aptitude give? |
| 00:30.42 | Shovi | is the source i added, memnon |
| 00:30.44 | Shovi | is that right? |
| 00:30.50 | aoliveira | CutMeOwnThroat: sure not |
| 00:31.10 | memnon | Shovi: Thats at least what they suggest on their page... |
| 00:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it gives me the creeps for sure |
| 00:31.25 | Shovi | right, and I do have lenny |
| 00:31.35 | dustybin | Console.WriteLine( "CutMeOwnThroat \"FairyCakes\": " + Regex.Replace( testString1, @"\w+", "FairyCakes" ) ) |
| 00:31.38 | dustybin | whoops wrong window |
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| 00:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could choose a more dignified replacement, though |
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| 00:32.38 | aoliveira | http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorfd8.jpg any help? |
| 00:33.12 | memnon | Shovi: Working on it... |
| 00:33.24 | S` | hello can someone please help me to set up a pptp vpn server (poptop) on debian... i've tried everything and once connected to the vpn i just can not do any internet related things... help me... |
| 00:33.39 | Shovi | memnon, sorry, noob mistake |
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| 00:33.43 | Shovi | i didnt apt-get update |
| 00:33.51 | memnon | Shovi: Started for me... |
| 00:33.51 | aoliveira | CutMeOwnThroat: i have looked on google and there are users with this error on real machines |
| 00:34.18 | memnon | Shovi: Ah! Try and tell me if you like it ... |
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| 00:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoliveira, no doubt... looks like an lvm thingy... |
| 00:35.56 | aoliveira | http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorfd8.jpg << any help ? |
| 00:36.05 | Shovi | memnon |
| 00:36.08 | Shovi | its very nice |
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| 00:36.16 | Shovi | simple |
| 00:36.25 | memnon | Shovi: Does it work ootb? |
| 00:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | we can still read it only 10 lines above, aoliveira ... |
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| 00:36.54 | Shovi | I rebooted, and started right up, using my last known connection, which had a wpa key |
| 00:36.55 | simNIX | I did dpkg --remove --force-depends exim-daemon-light and then did a build-qmail - qmail is now operational to my taste. Only prob now when I do 'apt-get -u upgrade' it complains about missing exim, but not installable - how to tell apt to just be satisfied with qmail ? |
| 00:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | correction, 6 lines above |
| 00:37.10 | Shovi | works well |
| 00:37.20 | memnon | Shovi: reboot?! Well, nice to hear it works for you... |
| 00:37.28 | Shovi | yeah gotta reboot |
| 00:37.31 | aoliveira | CutMeOwnThroat: my resolution is 640x480 lol |
| 00:37.34 | DeathWolf | does anyone know what siq and hiq are in "usr sys idl wai hiq siq"(usr is obviously userspace time, sys kernel calls time, idl idle time, wait is iowait... and siq/hiq are soft/hard interrupts?) |
| 00:37.35 | Shovi | didnt work untill i rebooted |
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| 00:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | simNIX, you would make your qmail package with "provides (or replaces) exim4 or somesuch, I think - should be easy to find examples for that in other packages |
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| 00:38.33 | Shovi | What about a battery manager for LXDE? |
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| 00:38.36 | memnon | Shovi: Mhh. Okay, never mind. If it works now. As I said, I do not use it myself. |
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| 00:39.13 | simNIX | CutMeOwnThroat, qmail is made from qmail-src and installed - it only wouldnt install with exim in place |
| 00:39.38 | simNIX | so I wanted to remove that would also force remove all depending on mail |
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| 00:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, replaces is soemthing else |
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| 00:42.06 | Yamakiri | sk4: I followed the bot's instructions, but I get these errors: http://pastebin.com/d6eab1862 that's half the initial number, because I sudo apt-get upgraded the other half... But this half won't upgrade :/ |
| 00:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | simNIX, you can probably file a bug report against qmail-src, then... |
| 00:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | simNIX, there are not many things that depend on exim, though(?) |
| 00:42.51 | simNIX | at, nagios |
| 00:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 00:43.12 | petemc | anything that depends on cron |
| 00:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | at depends on mail-transport-agent |
| 00:43.19 | simNIX | I noticed I also had to remove exim4 |
| 00:43.31 | simNIX | now upgrade works ok again |
| 00:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, *what* instructions did you follow? looks like you are trying to install a testing/unstable plugin into etch |
| 00:46.38 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: I was trying to install flashplayer |
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| 00:46.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see that :) |
| 00:46.48 | aoliveira | http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorfd8.jpg << help |
| 00:46.48 | doudou | this is crazy |
| 00:47.04 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: sk4 said to get it from the media repository |
| 00:47.08 | doudou | i could not get xserver work |
| 00:47.14 | Yamakiri | but I can't get it without updating that stuff :/ |
| 00:47.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, what line did you add to your sources.list? |
| 00:47.28 | simNIX | Yes; and qmail install errors on exim already provides mail-transport-agent so no go installing qmail - and a remove of exim exim-daemon-light wanted to remove more then I wanted - so I forced remove exim-daemon-light - after that upgrade with apt failed on exim needs those - now after apt remove exim4 it works - you think I should report this loop ? |
| 00:47.42 | doudou | lspci do not show anymore my radeon but unknow device |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | update-pciids |
| 00:48.20 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: the bot told me to type something as root... |
| 00:48.24 | doudou | but problem was not here, etc/X11/xorg.conf simply change pci 2.0.0 to 3.0.0 |
| 00:48.45 | Yamakiri | like echo something >> /etc/something/sources.list |
| 00:48.47 | doudou | i got this error once, i dont know how it can happen |
| 00:48.59 | Lagbolt | anyone know how to reassociate files from lost+found back to where the belong in jfs |
| 00:49.00 | doudou | am i virused? |
| 00:49.11 | Yamakiri | http://debian-multimedia.org/ that thing |
| 00:49.19 | memnon | Shovi: Is there a way to integrate windowmaker apps into lxde? |
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| 00:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | simNIX, hmm, there's a tool that might have helped... wossname |
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| 00:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, "that thing" is probably wrong |
| 00:50.01 | simNIX | I wonder why qmail is still in non-free - since for quite some time its been open sourced - maybe that (wrongly) nonfree notion delais atention to qmail updating ? |
| 00:50.09 | simNIX | http://www.qmail.org/not-open-source.html |
| 00:50.21 | petemc | simNIX: which version of debian? |
| 00:50.24 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: That was the link the bot PMd me |
| 00:50.33 | Yamakiri | but not the line it told me to run :/ |
| 00:50.42 | S` | hello can someone please help me to set up a pptp vpn server (poptop) on debian... i've tried everything and once connected to the vpn i just can not do any internet related things... help me... |
| 00:50.51 | simNIX | petemc, Linux werk 2.6.26-1-ixp4xx #1 Thu Nov 27 07:33:46 UTC 2008 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
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| 00:51.35 | simNIX | cat /etc/debian_version shows 5.0 |
| 00:51.45 | simNIX | its a nslu2 box |
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| 00:52.33 | aoliveira | simNIX: help me |
| 00:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, be precise... I think I already know what's wrong, but you persistently refuse to reveal the information that makes a suspicion a certainty.. |
| 00:52.45 | simNIX | aoliveira, how ? |
| 00:52.49 | aoliveira | http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorfd8.jpg |
| 00:53.08 | abrotman | aoliveira: we need more info |
| 00:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, what does cat /etc/debia_versions say? and what is the exact line you added to sources.list? - or at least which factoid did you read |
| 00:53.41 | aoliveira | abrotman: what.? |
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| 00:53.55 | LoveGuru | Is there anyone avliable for help with SAMBA sharing? i can't login my samba box from windows.. this is my conf of smb http://pastebin.com/d6482a7a8 |
| 00:54.20 | aoliveira | abrotman: i have just update etch to lenny |
| 00:54.30 | simNIX | LoveGuru, did you smbpasswd the samba user ? |
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| 00:54.42 | LoveGuru | simNIX: it works fine there |
| 00:54.47 | LoveGuru | at box |
| 00:55.00 | aoliveira | abrotman: when i choose the old kernel on grub, it boot normal |
| 00:55.03 | corky | What tools are included in "Standard system" in the etch installation CLI? |
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| 00:55.45 | abrotman | aoliveira: and now your system is unusable ? |
| 00:56.46 | xorl | hmm |
| 00:56.53 | aoliveira | abrotman: yeah, it stops there and fell in initramfs busybox |
| 00:57.00 | xorl | I don't have hardware raid on one of my servers and I want at least cloning, have 4 500GB drives |
| 00:57.06 | xorl | what options do I have? |
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| 00:57.28 | aoliveira | abrotman: lvm is right, sure is something with this new initrd.img |
| 00:57.29 | abrotman | aoliveira: but you use LVM ? |
| 00:57.37 | aoliveira | yes |
| 00:58.19 | xorl | can I do mdraid on |
| 00:58.24 | xorl | 3 drives? to make a raid3? |
| 00:58.26 | memnon | aoliveira: Dumb question, but: Do you have backups? |
| 00:58.34 | simNIX | xorl, maybe G4U for cloning identical disks or upload fully or partialy to ftp server or simply rsync |
| 00:58.53 | aoliveira | memnon: disk backup? |
| 00:59.08 | abrotman | aoliveira: i don't know much about LVM .. but it seems it can't find the LVM device .. which kernel were you booting for that ? |
| 00:59.09 | xorl | simNIX: brand new server setting it up as we speak. |
| 00:59.14 | aoliveira | memnon: the system still works, i just have to choose the old kernel |
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| 00:59.28 | memnon | aoliveira: oh, okay. Just read the last part :) |
| 00:59.30 | aoliveira | 2.6.18 i think |
| 00:59.40 | abrotman | aoliveira: no, the failing one |
| 00:59.42 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: got experience installing flashplayer? >_> |
| 00:59.44 | simNIX | xorl, I like to sync my disks with rsync teamed up with rsnapshot |
| 00:59.48 | aoliveira | 2.6.26 |
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| 01:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, will you answer the question? No, I don't have "experience", but flash works on my system and uses the plugin from debian-multimedia |
| 01:00.53 | shovi_ | how do i get flash, what is it, sudo apt-get install flashfree? |
| 01:01.16 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: do you think you could help me install it? :p |
| 01:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | shovi_, lenny or etch |
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| 01:01.34 | shovi_ | lenny |
| 01:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, that's what I would be doing if you would answer questions |
| 01:01.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you missed all the awesome dselect discussion earlier :) |
| 01:01.53 | aoliveira | sho iceweasel? |
| 01:01.57 | shovi_ | ya |
| 01:02.04 | abrotman | @tell shovi_ about adobe flash |
| 01:02.09 | aoliveira | shovi_: iceweasel didnt work with flash for me |
| 01:02.12 | Yamakiri | oh |
| 01:02.21 | memnon | Is this flash question not a FAQ? Does an FAQ for this channel exist? |
| 01:02.27 | shovi_ | abrotman, didnt work |
| 01:02.34 | abrotman | !didn't work |
| 01:02.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 01:02.38 | simNIX | I added backports to Lenny and added nonfree - working ok now |
| 01:02.49 | shovi_ | abrotman, he diddnt pm me |
| 01:02.54 | memnon | ah, nice:) |
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| 01:03.05 | aoliveira | it doesnt WORK |
| 01:03.07 | aoliveira | hahaha |
| 01:03.13 | shovi_ | lol |
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| 01:03.55 | abrotman | shovi_: so we need more info |
| 01:04.06 | memnon | How did you install it? |
| 01:04.07 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: tyronet:/etc# ls debian_versions |
| 01:04.07 | Yamakiri | ls: debian_versions: No such file or directory |
| 01:04.09 | Yamakiri | :/ |
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| 01:04.35 | shovi_ | whats the package name, abrotman |
| 01:04.37 | shovi_ | for flash |
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| 01:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, debian_version, not version>>>S<<< |
| 01:04.40 | aoliveira | abrotman: gave up? |
| 01:04.41 | MasterOfDisaster | hi, how can I query all manually installed packages with aptitude? |
| 01:04.44 | Yamakiri | oh |
| 01:05.03 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: 4.0 |
| 01:05.09 | jetscreamer | so did y'all figure out that dselect really is better, abrotman? cept the ui of course |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: hardly |
| 01:05.22 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | aoliveira: i don't know enough about LVm to comment on the breakage |
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| 01:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, ok, etch - and so your /etc/apt/sources.list contains a lot of entries saying "stable" or "etch" after the servername... |
| 01:05.48 | andreasMadrid | hi |
| 01:05.49 | jetscreamer | ah well i was hoping |
| 01:05.57 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 01:05.57 | Joelito | hi all, I'm going to install some video-conference apps in my debian "testing" box...what web cams models do you recommend to plug into my pc, which work propertly along with debian? |
| 01:05.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net, or http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 01:06.32 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 01:06.32 | Yamakiri | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main |
| 01:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, you added a debian-multimedia line for lenny (testing) you have to edit the line and replace lenny or testing by etch or stable |
| 01:06.38 | andreasMadrid | i have a prob with a program, and the program's author says, the program is due to a patch Debian made for Python, whereas clean upstream python doesn't show that error |
| 01:06.49 | andreasMadrid | he asked me to report that to a maintainer |
| 01:06.49 | Yamakiri | ooooooh |
| 01:06.50 | Yamakiri | ok |
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| 01:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, ok, then remove the line which says lenny, you're using etch |
| 01:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, having both is wrong for you |
| 01:07.16 | aoliveira | abrotman: it isnt a lvm error |
| 01:07.18 | Yamakiri | oh my bad |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | aoliveira: seems to me the volume group error points to LVM |
| 01:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri, see, that's what I thought >10 minutes ago... but as you refused me to tell what's in your sources.list... what should I tell you? |
| 01:07.52 | aoliveira | abrotman: pretty much ! |
| 01:07.52 | shovi_ | whats the package name for Flash on iceweasle |
| 01:07.55 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't understand how to find sources.list... |
| 01:07.56 | aoliveira | abrotman: but |
| 01:08.00 | Yamakiri | sorry I'm still newbish :/ |
| 01:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | then say what problem you have :) |
| 01:08.25 | aoliveira | abrotman: i'll check the vgchange version in the initramfs |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:08.53 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: so now it should work? |
| 01:08.54 | Joelito | shovi_: try gnash or swdec |
| 01:08.56 | andreasMadrid | http://pastebin.com/d6b2f0ee6 |
| 01:09.04 | Joelito | shovi_: try gnash or swfdec |
| 01:09.22 | memnon | shovi_: For flash: did flashplayer-mozilla not work? |
| 01:10.02 | andreasMadrid | these are the debian-python caused errors: http://pastebin.com/d6b2f0ee6 |
| 01:10.03 | Yamakiri | CutMeOwnThroat: it says installed, but to test, I went to youtube and it told me flash wasn't installed :/ |
| 01:10.08 | andreasMadrid | in python they don't occur |
| 01:10.21 | shovi_ | memnon, no such package |
| 01:10.26 | aoliveira | abrotman: i gonna upload another img |
| 01:10.52 | Yamakiri | "oh nevermind |
| 01:10.57 | Yamakiri | just had to close that |
| 01:10.58 | Yamakiri | sorry |
| 01:11.14 | Yamakiri | Thanks Very Very much CutMeOwnThroat! They should voice you for activity :D |
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| 01:11.31 | abrotman | !CutMeOwnThroat++ |
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| 01:11.54 | memnon | shovi_: do you have debian-multimedia in your sources.list? |
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| 01:12.04 | aoliveira | http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=error2qc5.jpg |
| 01:12.23 | shovi_ | i guess i dont |
| 01:12.30 | memnon | Again, question: Is there a FAQ for this channel? |
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| 01:13.14 | abrotman | aoliveira: as i said before . i'm not a LVM expert .. but it really seems like the .26 doesn't get your VG at all |
| 01:13.43 | aoliveira | i'll try mix up the kernel with the old initrd |
| 01:14.02 | aoliveira | the 26 kernel with the old initrd what you think ? |
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| 01:14.50 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 01:17.14 | memnon | shovi_: look here http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html |
| 01:17.27 | memnon | shovi_: Method 2 is what I did. |
| 01:17.34 | shovi_ | ok |
| 01:17.37 | shovi_ | checkin it thx |
| 01:17.43 | aoliveira | abrotman: i gona try it |
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| 01:19.39 | nan8 | aoliveira: i guess a wrong you did pass a wrong root option to the kernel |
| 01:19.57 | aoliveira | nan8: no |
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| 01:21.02 | nan8 | aoliveira: maybe initrd image without lvm support? |
| 01:21.12 | shovi_ | bleh |
| 01:21.14 | shovi_ | didnt work |
| 01:21.16 | shovi_ | method 1 |
| 01:21.24 | aoliveira | nan8: look that last img |
| 01:21.27 | memnon | shovi_: I said method 2! |
| 01:21.34 | aoliveira | http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=error2qc5.jpg |
| 01:21.47 | memnon | shovi_: remember: debian multimedia?! |
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| 01:21.53 | aoliveira | i'm in initrd and there is vgchange there |
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| 01:22.48 | shovi_ | it did work |
| 01:22.58 | shovi_ | ihad to restart browser |
| 01:23.02 | stoned | !ping |
| 01:23.02 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:23.04 | stoned | ok |
| 01:23.07 | nan8 | aoliveira: vgscan/pvscan |
| 01:23.09 | stoned | dpkg |
| 01:23.29 | aoliveira | wait a minute |
| 01:24.00 | shovi_ | brb |
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| 01:25.39 | aoliveira | nan8: i have booted with the old kernel now |
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| 01:26.14 | nan8 | aoliveira: and it worked? |
| 01:26.26 | aoliveira | sure |
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| 01:26.32 | aoliveira | it works with the old kernel |
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| 01:27.04 | nan8 | aoliveira: maybe the initrd of the new kernel is broken? |
| 01:27.07 | aoliveira | http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=error3dr9.jpg |
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| 01:29.17 | nan8 | aoliveira: are you running lenny? |
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| 01:30.15 | grndslm | i should install testing, right? |
| 01:30.24 | grndslm | it's not that unstable? |
| 01:30.24 | aoliveira | it was a etch but i ran apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 01:31.46 | memnon | grndslm: New installation?! |
| 01:31.49 | heffay | im running testing and it works great |
| 01:31.58 | nan8 | aoliveira: reading the lvm2 changelog suggests there were some troubles recently |
| 01:32.06 | nan8 | aoliveira: do you have the latest version installed? |
| 01:32.33 | grndslm | memnon: yup, i'm just checking out what's good... but people seem to say that testing isn't that bad |
| 01:32.39 | aoliveira | i think so |
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| 01:33.21 | memnon | grndslm: I would still go for stable, wait a bit (lenny will be stable, soon, right) and update/dist-upgrade then. |
| 01:33.25 | memnon | IMHO |
| 01:33.55 | grndslm | well, i'll take your word for it then |
| 01:33.59 | memnon | grndslm: Or do you really need all the shiny "new" stuff, right now |
| 01:34.03 | nan8 | aoliveira: dpkg -l lvm2 |
| 01:34.17 | grndslm | not really looking for compiz junk |
| 01:34.25 | aoliveira | i'll try boot with the new kernel and the old initrd |
| 01:34.28 | memnon | grndslm: Really New Hardware? |
| 01:34.37 | grndslm | memnon: testing is the rolling version, eh? |
| 01:34.47 | nan8 | aoliveira: i would make sure to have the latest lvm2 and recreate the initrd for that kernel |
| 01:34.54 | grndslm | not particularly |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | grndslm: testing is currenrly frozen, waiting for release |
| 01:35.04 | nan8 | aoliveira: then double check that the correct root fs is specified in your bootloader config |
| 01:35.11 | grndslm | memnon: testing it on older hardware first |
| 01:35.12 | memnon | grndslm: lenny is quite "stable" already. |
| 01:35.21 | nan8 | aoliveira: maybe unpack the initrd and take a look whats in there |
| 01:35.27 | nan8 | aoliveira: maybe check lvm.conf |
| 01:35.55 | memnon | grndslm: I just usually stick to stable, when there is no *really* good reason to go to testing. |
| 01:35.58 | aoliveira | how i do that? |
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| 01:36.33 | memnon | I am on testing for a few months, because I wanted testing emacs badly. But I am happy that my testing trip abroad ends soon. |
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| 01:37.03 | memnon | grndslm: But try for yourself. Lots of people think testing is the way to go on a desktop |
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| 01:37.35 | nan8 | aoliveira: which one exactly? |
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| 01:37.56 | aoliveira | nan8: hmm i know how to fix it |
| 01:38.29 | aoliveira | i'll unpack it and compare |
| 01:39.09 | grndslm | memnon: when & what is the final release going be? lenny? |
| 01:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) there was also a language problem there... but too late, he's gorn |
| 01:40.08 | memnon | grndslm: Lenny will be released...Well, it depends. But I think it will take at least 2 Months. |
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| 01:40.37 | memnon | grndslm: Got this impressions from several postings on planet debian and -devel |
| 01:40.42 | keres | what is the software source for gimp-2.6? |
| 01:40.45 | aoliveira | nan8: wait there |
| 01:40.53 | memnon | grndslm: no one knows for sure ... |
| 01:41.58 | grndslm | memnon: cool.. i guess i'll just stick with stable for right now. thanks for the help, tho |
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| 01:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | grndslm, it all depends on what's the least effort, imo... you can always use backports or backport single packages you want to have newer into your stable ... right now is special, though, because lenny is ... ahem... about to be released ... soon - so you will probably update to lenny within half a year anyways |
| 01:43.36 | memnon | grndslm: Even if you want to go for testing later, wait, till lenny/stable is around a bit. Testing seems to become quite a bit rough after a new release due to lots of changes coming |
| 01:44.19 | memnon | CutMeOwnThroat: half a year? come on, give me a break ... Where are the optimists ;) |
| 01:44.34 | grndslm | yea, that's why i figured i'd stick with stable... everybody's trying to meet quotas right now |
| 01:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | grndslm, and if you install now, perhaps it would be better to encounter problems now and get them fixed for others, than to possibly still encounter them on the update |
| 01:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | memnon, what... I wasn't being optimistic? :-P |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | memnon: been tracking the latest vote? could be Nov of next year |
| 01:45.22 | grndslm | i'm no programmer... so, i just want it all to work flawlessly if possible |
| 01:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | memnon, anyways - I didn't say lenny would release at any day, only that he might update then... you can keep running oldstable quite some time .... |
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| 01:45.44 | memnon | abrotman: Bad times. "Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian". Manoj resigning. |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | about a year after the successive stable |
| 01:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | grndslm, ha... computer == problem |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | memnon: that's only part of it |
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| 01:46.32 | abrotman | memnon: the way it seems is that if the vote to remove the firmware passes, the world may not see a 'stable' lenny until about a year from now |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | (such as the 'estimates' predict) |
| 01:47.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be pretty horrible, I think |
| 01:47.09 | memnon | abrotman: AFAI can see, most people seem to think "release, then vote again" |
| 01:47.23 | abrotman | depends .. if the vote passes .. i'd hope they'd unfreeze lenny |
| 01:47.26 | memnon | abrotman: This vote is as good as cancelled already |
| 01:47.45 | abrotman | memnon: apparently you haven't read enough |
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| 01:48.56 | abrotman | memnon: FWIW http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 |
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| 01:49.03 | LoveGuru | Is there anyone avliable for help with SAMBA sharing? i can't login my samba box from windows.. this is my conf of smb http://pastebin.com/d6482a7a8 Please! |
| 01:49.44 | Guerin | LoveGuru: #samba |
| 01:50.20 | memnon | abrotman: I have got the impression, especially from posts on Planet, that the majority really wants to "release first" vote then. |
| 01:50.21 | LoveGuru | Guerin: trying since last night. no one reply. sorry if im bothering/disturbing u guys |
| 01:50.21 | abrotman | and we'd need way more info |
| 01:50.27 | shovi_ | how do i make my lxde eeepc not suspend when i close lid |
| 01:50.44 | Guerin | LoveGuru: good luck. |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | memnon: the "majority" that speaks through planet .. but can it defeat the 3:1 vote |
| 01:51.06 | memnon | abrotman: But I think it is sad that manoj is under such a pressure... |
| 01:51.07 | LoveGuru | Guerin: if i asked here, is there any problem? might be some one knows and able to help me ? |
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| 01:51.16 | Guerin | messiahtex: he's not really under any any more. |
| 01:51.50 | Guerin | LoveGuru: no, if there's nobody helping in #samba you can ask in here, I suppose. Just don't hold out too much hope or act with a sense of entitlement :) |
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| 01:51.56 | Guerin | memnon: ^ |
| 01:52.11 | memnon | abrotman: Well, thats at least what I expect. The ballot will be rephrased, everyone says: First release, then we will deal with the Firmware. Voila: Fast release. |
| 01:52.33 | LoveGuru | Guerin: well thanks.. thats why im trying to ask.. repeating like after half an hour might be someone can help :P) |
| 01:53.03 | Guerin | LoveGuru: it might also help to google your log and error messages |
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| 01:53.17 | Guerin | 99% of all faults with samba are encountered by practically everyone |
| 01:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, didn't we talk about exactly that yesterday? |
| 01:53.33 | memnon | abrotman: But I am just a user, following as many sources as he can. I think this project is fascinating. Especially the social side |
| 01:53.51 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: thats what im saying :) looking for help since yesterday... no luck.. |
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| 01:54.02 | LoveGuru | Guerin: i tried google alot whatever i found i just check |
| 01:54.07 | LoveGuru | but hardluck nothing works. |
| 01:54.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, well, what have you done to proceed in all that time? |
| 01:54.40 | abrotman | memnon: same here .. just from what i've read |
| 01:54.43 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: i did alot changes whatever i found at websites just try everything.. but nothing works .. still i can't able to view my samba shares from my windows box |
| 01:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can you see the samba machine |
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| 01:55.13 | TheMasterSwordsm | I have debian installed as a standard console command line, and I'm trying to manually install xorg. When it asks for me to insert the Debian CD and press Enter, I insert it and press enter, but it stays at 0% Working... and then asks for me to insert it again. |
| 01:55.27 | TheMasterSwordsm | How do I force it to use the CD I've inserted to install Xorg? |
| 01:55.32 | TheMasterSwordsm | apt-get install xorg was the command I was using. |
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| 01:55.37 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: no i can't when i try to open it from windows like \\boxip or \\boxip\sharefolder it asking id/pass i used my smb user/pass won't working :< |
| 01:55.47 | aoliveira | nan8: look that |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | TheMasterSwordsm: is there a cdrom:// reference in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:56.07 | Guerin | TheMasterSwordsm: you probably can't |
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| 01:56.56 | memnon | Guerin: apt-cdrom add , no ?! |
| 01:57.01 | aoliveira | nan8: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/9d9b26d407f7a7f4/8d9f6358b3db2810?lnk=raot |
| 01:57.18 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: thats my conf file " http://pastebin.com/d6482a7a8 " i don't think so whats the problem with the file or with my windows |
| 01:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, well, as windows is bad for debugging, this is where you look at the other side in the logs if anything arrives... like running smbd -F -d (otheroptions) |
| 01:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, but you tried my config as well... either you have set up firewall rules, or really windows is the problem (oh, it when isn't windows a problem) |
| 01:58.20 | enouf | LoveGuru: still with the samba/cifs issue? |
| 01:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, of course, stop samba stop |
| 01:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, yes! |
| 01:58.27 | LoveGuru | enouf : yep |
| 01:58.51 | LoveGuru | yep i tried ur config too.. but same problem |
| 01:59.02 | enouf | LoveGuru: i can connect to win98 and winxpoop pro on my lan, no issues - what's your issue? |
| 01:59.09 | TheMasterSwordsm | abrotman, there is, but it's labeled very specific: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r5 _Etch_ - Official i386 Binary-1 20081023-23:20]/ etch contrib main |
| 01:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, thx, btw for that wmctrl, it's really kinda neat - I keep one sticky small xterm around now which runs "rlwrap xargs -i wmctrl -a '{}'" and can zap from window to window |
| 01:59.24 | aoliveira | what means contrib? |
| 01:59.24 | TheMasterSwordsm | how do I get it to look at the CD-ROM in general without asking for that specific disk? |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | TheMasterSwordsm: is there also an http source ? |
| 01:59.36 | TheMasterSwordsm | abrotman, yes, but I have no network connetcion on this machine. |
| 01:59.48 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: welcome |
| 01:59.50 | abrotman | TheMasterSwordsm: did you use CD1 ? |
| 01:59.57 | TheMasterSwordsm | Yes I did. |
| 01:59.57 | memnon | TheMasterSwordsm: So you also inserted disc #1, right? |
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| 02:00.04 | LoveGuru | enouf: i can't login my smb share folders from windows, i tried to login from windows usgin \\boxip or \\boxip\sharefoler but it asking id/pass i used smb user/pass but its not workign though |
| 02:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, you have to see, that it's obviously not the samba.conf as such |
| 02:00.15 | memnon | abrotman: :) |
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| 02:00.19 | ari | I need to completely remove pulseaudio. |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | TheMasterSwordsm: you can comment out the http source .. and try again .. but i'd concentrate on getting your http source working |
| 02:00.27 | Dr_Link | memnon, but I had to re-burn the disc 1 ISO, for some reason the one that I installed with got mixed with a few other discs. |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | rather .. your network functional |
| 02:00.39 | ari | pulseaudio has introduced complete nonfunctionality to all audio |
| 02:00.45 | Dr_Link | abrotman, this computer is from 1999. |
| 02:00.48 | Dr_Link | It's a laptop. |
| 02:00.56 | ari | and yet..... synaptic says i have to remove gnome to remove pulseaudio? |
| 02:01.00 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: well i think so .. i checked alot smb config tutorials at website's i don't think so there is any problem with my config file |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | Dr_Link: and ? |
| 02:01.09 | Dr_Link | I don't have a chance of figuring out the type of ethernet now that Google has failed me. |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | Dr_Link: pcmcia or pci ? |
| 02:01.25 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: its really pretty stright http://pastebin.com/d6482a7a8 |
| 02:01.27 | LoveGuru | config file |
| 02:01.35 | Dr_Link | ...I don't know to be honest. |
| 02:01.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaja... we've seen that plenty now |
| 02:01.43 | memnon | Dr_Link: Did you burn *exactly* the same version as used before? |
| 02:01.56 | abrotman | Dr_Link: is it a card you jack in? or a card in the back ? |
| 02:01.58 | Dr_Link | memnon, yes I did. |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | erm .. a port in the back |
| 02:02.11 | enouf | LoveGuru: from windows? ask ##windows about that |
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| 02:02.15 | memnon | Dr_Link: Or did you use R4 before, and this one is R5? |
| 02:02.15 | Dr_Link | abrotman, ... never mind. That was an RJ-11 port. I thought it was an Ethernet port. |
| 02:02.30 | LoveGuru | enouf: but there is nothing to do with windows.. as long as i know |
| 02:02.38 | abrotman | Dr_Link: whoops :) |
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| 02:02.55 | enouf | <LoveGuru> enouf: i can't login my smb share folders from windows ... <-- what? |
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| 02:03.20 | memnon | Dr_Link: Mh, I would try to add this cd again by using apt-cdrom add |
| 02:03.25 | LoveGuru | enouf: but i setup my smb box/ smb share in *debian not in windows |
| 02:03.26 | memnon | abrotman: Does this make sense? |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | depends on if the http source worked during install |
| 02:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, but how do you know it's a problem on the samba side |
| 02:04.11 | Guerin | memnon: depends what's on the cd. Usually lenny will defaultly add the cd entry to sources. |
| 02:04.12 | enouf | LoveGuru: you should learn about poledit, or gpedit (xpoop pro) |
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| 02:04.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, likely as not you have a stupid virus-firewalling-spybot thing installed, which prevents packets to leave the windows box |
| 02:04.56 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: i did that samba sharing before.. i never did/config anything in windows.. i used my same config what i used before. |
| 02:05.18 | LoveGuru | CutMeOwnThroat: no firewall/antivirus |
| 02:05.22 | LoveGuru | at windows box |
| 02:05.26 | memnon | Guerin: It is a lenny cd. But just burned again, so I think just *something* is different (r4, not r5 or something). Still, it should work for stable. Just let the system know this *new* cd. |
| 02:05.32 | Dr_Link | o_o |
| 02:05.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | LoveGuru, a) do what I told above b) you could use a knoppix cd or so to be able to use smbclient from a remote host |
| 02:05.46 | pab | is there someplace I can go to check if gpl'd software meets debian requirements? |
| 02:05.51 | Dr_Link | memnon, using apt-cdrom add, inserting the CD and pressing enter returned this... E: Failed to mount the cdrom. |
| 02:05.57 | enouf | LoveGuru: windows boxen in general broadcast to the world at large of their location and identity .. and seek out other winpoop boxen, look at the output of netstat |
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| 02:06.01 | Guerin | pab: what do you mean by `meets debian requirements'? |
| 02:06.11 | memnon | Dr_Link: Can you mount this cd? Is it burned well? |
| 02:06.23 | ari | does anyone know how to remove pulseaudio from a critical audio system where i MUST use only jack and alsa? |
| 02:06.30 | LoveGuru | enouf: netstat ? at windows? |
| 02:06.34 | ari | also, how on earth did this huge thing get turned on by default? |
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| 02:07.23 | pab | Guerin, some, as I understand it, have restrictions which prevent them from being included |
| 02:07.39 | memnon | Dr_Link: |
| 02:07.45 | LoveGuru | enouf: well this line is gud in my conf? " encrypted passwords = yes |
| 02:07.57 | LoveGuru | c0z i m using security = user |
| 02:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wud |
| 02:08.06 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 02:08.25 | Guerin | pab: try to be specific about what you mean |
| 02:08.30 | Dr_Link | memnon, huh? |
| 02:08.31 | mordy | lol |
| 02:08.34 | Dr_Link | <memnon> Dr_Link: |
| 02:09.06 | memnon | Dr_Link: Sorry. Again: Are you sure this cd is burned correctly? Can you mount it via mount |
| 02:09.07 | memnon | ? |
| 02:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, this should've been "gud", but we don't have such a factoid yet... if you got a cute idea, feel free ;) |
| 02:09.57 | enouf | LoveGuru: yes, netstat is also stolen by windows from the BSDs |
| 02:10.00 | enouf | IIRC |
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| 02:10.34 | enouf | LoveGuru: so .. shall i call PEBKAC? |
| 02:10.49 | LoveGuru | enouf: PEBKAB ? |
| 02:10.53 | LoveGuru | *C |
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| 02:10.59 | abrotman | !pebkac |
| 02:10.59 | dpkg | i heard pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 02:11.08 | memnon | enouf: not stolen, just *embraced* : |
| 02:11.10 | memnon | ) |
| 02:11.24 | Dr_Link | memnon, mount says I need to know the type of filesystem |
| 02:11.28 | Dr_Link | God knows what that might be. |
| 02:11.35 | enouf | memnon: embraced "with a vengeance" :-P |
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| 02:11.56 | petemc | enouf: doesnt stolen denote an unwillingness on the 'victims' part ? |
| 02:11.57 | enouf | Dr_Link: try mount -a |
| 02:11.58 | Regnad | How do I clean up after an "apt-get build-dep"? (After a successful build, I don't need all those "-dev" packages anymore) |
| 02:12.11 | enouf | petemc: heh .. point |
| 02:12.25 | enouf | petemc: that's why BSD licenses SUCK ASS |
| 02:12.33 | Dr_Link | enouf: and that does ...? |
| 02:12.47 | enouf | Dr_Link: i don't know - man mount |
| 02:12.58 | petemc | enouf: being on the left of the spectrum, not sure i can agree with you on that |
| 02:13.11 | memnon | Dr_Link: Mh, thats strange. |
| 02:13.25 | enouf | petemc: that's ok ... nobody agrees with me |
| 02:13.31 | petemc | :) |
| 02:13.50 | memnon | Dr_Link: Sorry, but to me this sounds as if this cd is not burned correctly. But I have no InstallationDisk here to check for myself. Anyone?! |
| 02:14.01 | Dr_Link | I'll burn another one. |
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| 02:14.36 | memnon | Dr_Link: Hey, wati till someone confirms you should be able to mount it |
| 02:15.05 | memnon | Dr_Link: I am quite a newbe myself... |
| 02:15.25 | memnon | newbe, newby, newbi. Mhhh... /me googles |
| 02:15.27 | Dr_Link | If I could install with a debian CD I'm fairly sure I can mount one. |
| 02:15.44 | memnon | newbie! |
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| 02:15.59 | memnon | Dr_Link: Well, we agree :) |
| 02:16.29 | memnon | Dr_Link: Just do not want someone to burn a cd again if it is not necessary... |
| 02:17.15 | newsense_ | why wouldnt you be able to mount it ? |
| 02:17.19 | LoveGuru | enouf: my smbbox name appear in Windows under "My network Places" > "Workgroups" but it can't get in |
| 02:18.08 | bertoxxx | in this web directory: "http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/bt-dvd/" which torrent file should i download? |
| 02:18.15 | Regnad | LoveGuru: Have you run smbpasswd on the Debian side? |
| 02:18.28 | LoveGuru | Regnad: yep i did tx |
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| 02:19.14 | bertoxxx | in this web directory: "http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/bt-dvd/" which torrent file should i download? |
| 02:19.25 | mordy | what's a good way to stop dd (and resume it at a different time)? |
| 02:19.35 | bertoxxx | it has 3 dvds |
| 02:19.54 | mordy | i'm guessing i'll need to know where it stopped reading/writing from - but i don't really know how to find that out |
| 02:20.45 | memnon | bertoxxx: Why not go for dvd1. Thats more than enough |
| 02:21.05 | bertoxxx | thanks memnon |
| 02:21.50 | memnon | bertoxxx: If you want to add something later, which is not included on this dvd, you can still use the net. |
| 02:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well, but look at the readline that gnuplot uses in Debian, that's when GPL 'SUCKS ASS' (argh, I got a graphic imagination... don't use that term) |
| 02:22.10 | bertoxxx | ok.. like samba? |
| 02:22.33 | memnon | bertoxxx: Will your machine be online? Like ftp, http etc |
| 02:22.42 | bertoxxx | yrs |
| 02:22.45 | bertoxxx | yes |
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| 02:23.04 | abrotman | looks at ari |
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| 02:23.17 | memnon | bertoxxx: So, you can install by simple aptitude install then. No need to download all the isos. Far less would be nough |
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| 02:23.25 | pab | sorry Guerin , I'm trying to figure this out and I speak only as a user. As an example, Truecrypt says it is GPL but it still doesn't meet debian standards enough to be in a repository. Is there a list of such packages? |
| 02:23.28 | memnon | netinst.iso |
| 02:23.34 | bertoxxx | ok |
| 02:23.52 | Regnad | How do I clean up after an "apt-get build-dep"? (After a successful build, I don't need all those "-dev" packages anymore) |
| 02:23.56 | codeshepherd | sar doesn't store data .. it only reports live data.. how do i make it store data ? |
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| 02:24.14 | ari | abrotman: why the look |
| 02:24.18 | bertoxxx | what if my http connection is unstable? |
| 02:24.31 | abrotman | ari: i just thought you might be lost :) |
| 02:24.47 | memnon | bertoxxx: No prob. aptitude will resume. |
| 02:24.52 | ari | i need to remove pulseaudio |
| 02:24.59 | bertoxxx | k.. : ) |
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| 02:25.33 | ari | i'm on lenny and everything was fine with jack and alsa, and it's been hours of nightmares since this pulseaudio tihng somehow got installed, and now synaptic won't let me remove it without uninstallig all of gnome. |
| 02:25.35 | bertoxxx | i like debian than centos |
| 02:25.43 | brick_redux | Q: as root, i am trying to chmod an ssh key file to 700, so rsync will accept it, but i cannot remove the +x bits. chmod returns 0 and no relevant -1 return codes appear in strace. fs is ext3. what could be going on? |
| 02:26.24 | petemc | brick_redux: 700 includes the execute bit ? |
| 02:26.54 | Dominicus | I'm trying up aptitude update my system, and i've seem to have gotten myself into a weird conflict that I'm unable to resolve on my own. Can anyone make any sense of this pastebin message regarding "dpkg: error processing update-manager-core (--configure)"? |
| 02:27.08 | petemc | brick_redux: perhaps you want 600 |
| 02:27.12 | Dominicus | I'm trying up aptitude update my system, and i've seem to have gotten myself into a weird conflict that I'm unable to resolve on my own. Can anyone make any sense of this pastebin message regarding "dpkg: error processing update-manager-core (--configure)"? DAMN.. you'll need the pastebin.. -> http://pastebin.com/m74b00c3d |
| 02:27.56 | Regnad | ari: Maybe try aptitude instead of Synaptic? |
| 02:28.08 | brick_redux | petemc, sorry, i should have spoken more carefully. it's the group and public x bits i need to remove and cannot |
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| 02:28.20 | brick_redux | after chmod 600, i get -rw---x--x |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | ari: jack now depends on "vorbis-tools|flac" .. vorbis-tools seems to depend-ish on pulseaudio |
| 02:28.36 | brick_redux | could this be the result of a umask i don't know about? i thought octal perms were absolute. |
| 02:28.45 | ari | abrotman: christ. |
| 02:28.47 | Dr_Link | memnon, just burned another one |
| 02:28.50 | Dr_Link | attempting to mount |
| 02:28.56 | Dr_Link | ... |
| 02:28.59 | Dr_Link | Failed to mount the cdrom. |
| 02:29.05 | Dr_Link | what the hell... |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | ari: blame the packager! |
| 02:29.24 | sdrac8 | Dr_Link: did you think to google it? section 13.2.2 http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ch-disks.html |
| 02:29.38 | Regnad | abrotman: So that's the "why", what's the fix? |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | Regnad: install flac instead perhaps ? |
| 02:29.56 | abrotman | or fix pulseaudio |
| 02:30.32 | memnon | Dominicus: This seems to be a bug to me. |
| 02:30.35 | Dr_Link | sdrac8, I know how to mount. |
| 02:30.49 | Dr_Link | I was using apt-cdrom add |
| 02:30.49 | memnon | Dominicus: aptitude should resolve this things, shouldn't it?! |
| 02:31.05 | Dr_Link | to add a freshly burned debian CD to the sources list. |
| 02:31.43 | memnon | Dr_Link: Did you try mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/ |
| 02:31.44 | memnon | ? |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | ari: or xine might be sucking it in |
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| 02:32.23 | Dominicus | memnon: One would think so, but there's apparently an issue with "update-python-modules" of the python-suppot package "update-python-modules: error: Trying to overwrite UpdateManager/__init__.py which is already provided by /usr/share/python-support/update-manager" *ugh* |
| 02:32.23 | Dr_Link | memnon, mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 02:32.43 | Regnad | abrotman: Are you working from memory, or is there some big dependency graphing tool I'd love to know about? |
| 02:32.53 | abrotman | Regnad: aptitude why foo |
| 02:32.55 | sdrac8 | Dr_Link: mount -t iso9660 CD device /cdrom |
| 02:33.13 | Dominicus | memnon: I'm running Lenny, so i wouldn't figure it too bleeding edge to expect broken things for just installing. |
| 02:33.25 | memnon | sdrac8: The -t switch shouldn't be necessary,should it? |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | Regnad: you'd be more impressed if it were from memory :) |
| 02:33.46 | Regnad | abrotman: Aye! |
| 02:34.04 | memnon | Dominicus: So, one file is provided by two packages. this should not happen! |
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| 02:34.24 | sdrac8 | memnon: if its asking for the filesystem type then its worth a try |
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| 02:34.52 | memnon | sdrac8: worth a try, yes. But it should not be necessary... |
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| 02:35.04 | Dr_Link | huh. |
| 02:35.07 | enn | Hello. Does anyone know how to troubleshoot a "usb 4-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71" error from a USB printer? |
| 02:35.12 | Dr_Link | It's not /dev/cdrom0 |
| 02:35.15 | Dr_Link | it's /dev/hdc |
| 02:35.18 | Dr_Link | how strange. |
| 02:35.28 | Dominicus | memnon: I guess it's saying that. I'm not the most familiar with interpreting this stuff. I switched over from Gentoo, and this is the first problem on my debian install that I've really ever had that I didn't cause myself. =) But, that sould like a pretty basic problem if it is indeed conflicting. |
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| 02:36.32 | Dr_Link | and it says no medium found |
| 02:36.33 | memnon | Dominicus: Do you just use the official repos? Or something like multimedia, backports etc..? |
| 02:37.01 | memnon | Dr_Link: /dev/hdc? Whats in you /etc/fstab? |
| 02:37.22 | Vasistha | I just upgraded lenny's iceweasel, and it keeps crashing on gmail. Any ideas of where I should look to curb this nasty behavior? |
| 02:37.33 | Dr_Link | /dev/hdc in /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660, user,noauto 0 0 |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | Vasistha: move your .mozilla to a backup and try again |
| 02:37.50 | Vasistha | abrotman: ah, will do ... |
| 02:38.17 | Dr_Link | cd'ing to the /media/cdrom directory and then trying to run a directory listing returns nothing. |
| 02:38.27 | memnon | Dr_Link: So try "mount /dev/hdc /mnt/" |
| 02:38.52 | Dominicus | memnon: From the looks of my sources.list (http://pastebin.com/f5c546307) it looks ilke lenny, and multimedia (assuming I tapped into multimedia correctly). I'll yank out multimedia, and give it a retry for giggles. |
| 02:38.59 | djcip | why did i just install debian... and the less command was missing ? |
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| 02:39.19 | Vasistha | abrotman: no luck, still crashing! |
| 02:39.36 | memnon | Dominicus: Mhh, are your python packages maybe from multimedia? This would make a crash more probable... |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | Vasistha: i just logged in here .. works fine |
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| 02:40.17 | Dr_Link | memnon: no medium found |
| 02:40.18 | Vasistha | abrotman: interesting. mine consistently crashes after being logged in for maybe 5 seconds ... it may still be rendering the page |
| 02:40.36 | Vasistha | abrotman: I wonder if X needs to be restarted since X11 was also upgraded. |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | Vasistha: KDE ? Gnome ? |
| 02:40.41 | mordy | i want to stop dd and continue it at a later time, how do i know from where to resume? |
| 02:40.46 | Vasistha | kde |
| 02:40.51 | Dominicus | memnon: I'm not sure how I would tell for sure. Can i just "sudo aptiitude show python-support" and expect to find it referencing multimedia if that was the case? |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | Vasistha: it's possible .. i'm using gnome here and gmail works in IW and epiphany-gecko on lenny |
| 02:41.14 | memnon | Dr_Link: Did the cdrom light at least flash a bit? This is strange... |
| 02:41.24 | Dr_Link | yes I did. |
| 02:41.30 | memnon | Dominicus: one sec. |
| 02:41.31 | Dr_Link | several times I tried this. |
| 02:41.38 | Dr_Link | I'm about fed up with this computer. |
| 02:41.42 | Vasistha | abrotman: well ... didn't fix it. It crashes ... immediately! |
| 02:41.43 | enouf | mordy: you want ddrescue to do that |
| 02:41.47 | petemc | brick_redux: hi, sorted? |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | Vasistha: after restarting X ? |
| 02:42.03 | enouf | mordy: specifically gddrescue in debian |
| 02:42.05 | Dominicus | memnon: Then again, a cohort of mine helped me with specifying a preference of etch while still having access to the lenny repository. I've since removed that when i went to lenny from etch, so I don't know if i still need to make an apt.conf setting for preferring the main lenny repository over the multimedia repository. |
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| 02:42.27 | mordy | enouf, i'm using sdd |
| 02:42.44 | Vasistha | abrotman: what I mean is, iceweasel crashes right after the gmail inbox screen loads. I did restart X, and the problem persists |
| 02:42.46 | mordy | it seemed the most comprehensive of all the dd |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | Vasistha: tried with konq ? |
| 02:43.07 | enouf | mordy: wtf? |
| 02:43.09 | rock_feng | my lenny dhcp3-client-3.1.1-5 dosen't set default gw automaticly |
| 02:43.11 | Vasistha | abrotman: will do in a sec, good idea |
| 02:43.28 | enouf | mordy: take your wintendo weenie warez to other channels |
| 02:43.33 | mordy | enouf, it let me specify a retry count, so it was appealing |
| 02:44.22 | enouf | mordy: if you expect help from me, you better not be using crap software |
| 02:44.31 | mordy | enouf, sdd is in debian |
| 02:44.35 | memnon | Dr_Link: Sorry, I have no cdrom on this machine. Not sure how I can help you. As far as I remember, I could mount the install cds. |
| 02:44.41 | enouf | mordy: never heard of it |
| 02:44.55 | memnon | Dr_Link: Did you already mount other cds on this system. If so, how? |
| 02:44.58 | enouf | judd: versions sdd |
| 02:44.59 | judd | enouf: sdd -- etch: 1.52-6 lenny: 1.52-13 sid: 1.52-13 |
| 02:45.09 | petemc | there arent many people that know every package in debian |
| 02:45.18 | enouf | bingo |
| 02:45.24 | memnon | Dominicus: So you are running etch, with just some elements of lenny? |
| 02:45.24 | abrotman | petemc: you need to read more! :) |
| 02:45.29 | memnon | Dominicus: mixed system? |
| 02:45.32 | enouf | mordy: and sdd won't let you resume? |
| 02:45.38 | Dominicus | I used, too, then I upgraded to lenny. |
| 02:45.39 | Dr_Link | memnon, I did not. |
| 02:45.54 | petemc | abrotman: and smoke less, i hear it all the time |
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| 02:46.05 | memnon | Dr_Link: Do you have other cds around? |
| 02:46.23 | mordy | well, i can send a sleep signal (is that the right word?) but i want to unmount and physically remove the disk |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | petemc: i blame the ex! |
| 02:46.27 | petemc | heh |
| 02:46.49 | enouf | mordy: why? what has that to do with resuming? |
| 02:47.02 | Dr_Link | memnon: none of the other cds mount either |
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| 02:47.08 | memnon | Dominicus: Sorry, obviously not anymore. So, what is in your source.list? |
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| 02:47.17 | mordy | enouf, so that when i mount it again, (s)dd will be able to continue from where it left off |
| 02:47.26 | memnon | Dominicus: did you do a update upgrade dist-upgrade? |
| 02:47.49 | enouf | mordy: the ddrescue apps can output to a config file, .. and skip bad blocks till the end |
| 02:47.51 | Vasistha | abrotman: works in konq, no prob |
| 02:47.56 | memnon | Dr_Link: okay, just a sec |
| 02:48.03 | enouf | mordy: so do it |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | Vasistha: you could try to strace it |
| 02:48.05 | mordy | hmm really? |
| 02:48.11 | Dominicus | memnon: I used to, but then i upgraded to Lenny. And this problem only occurred after trying to install Gnome (it apparently sucked in dependencies that there conflicting). Because, i was able to purge update-manager-core just fine, and I was able to perform a reinstall for python and python-support. So, long as i don't have the update-manager-core (I don't really use gnome anyway). |
| 02:48.21 | Dominicus | memnon: http://pastebin.com/f5c546307 Shoulld be my sources.list from earlier. |
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| 02:48.40 | enouf | mordy: maybe sdd can too .. as i said, never heard of it |
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| 02:49.03 | Vasistha | abrotman: yow. It certainly would be good of me to do so but it sure is difficult for me to justify the time expenditure to myself when I have so much stuff I have to do! heh. How easy is it to strace? I've never tried |
| 02:49.21 | shovi_ | hey is there any desktop taskbar sound manager i can get?? i havelxde |
| 02:49.27 | abrotman | Vasistha: strace iceweasel .. from a terminal .. go directly to gmail.com .. |
| 02:49.29 | pab | If I find a .deb that is not in the lenny repositories, I can know that it does not meet the debian definition of free. True? |
| 02:49.34 | abrotman | strace -O to go to a file IIRC |
| 02:50.00 | mordy | enouf, can you give me the option? i'm looking at the manpage, i don't see any of those options |
| 02:50.07 | enn | How can I remove libsane without removing all of Wine? |
| 02:50.24 | Vasistha | pab: no; it may just not be packaged by the debian packaging team |
| 02:50.40 | memnon | Dominicus: Why is multimedia still on etch? Dont know if this is the reason, but I have testing there... |
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| 02:50.51 | Vasistha | installing strace ... |
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| 02:50.55 | enouf | mordy: yeah .. look for shakazulu .. in the man page for the app i never heard of |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | pab: there is *tons* of free software not packaged in debian |
| 02:51.07 | memnon | Dominicus: When you upgrade to testing, did you use update/upgrade/*distupgrade*? |
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| 02:51.27 | Dominicus | memnon: Yeah, i could have missed that change. And yes I did. I followed the debian instructions to the t. |
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| 02:51.27 | mordy | enouf, i mean the manpage of dd_rescue |
| 02:51.51 | enouf | mordy: no, i didn't say dd_rescue |
| 02:52.10 | ScaN_ | Slackware rulez, debian fuckkkk |
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| 02:52.41 | enouf | enroles ScaN_ a part in Scanners |
| 02:52.47 | Dominicus | memnon: If you try to install "update-manager" using aptitude (I have multimedia disabled as a repository and did an aptitude update already)... I can reproduce the conflicts. But, i don't have anything that is at least being reported as missing update-manager when I purge it. And that resolves the conflict issues. |
| 02:52.52 | Vasistha | abrotman: welp, got my strace. What shall I do now, post it to bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 02:53.05 | enn | for that matter, why is libsane a dependency of Wine in the first place? |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | Vasistha: you can paste the last 200 lines or so to a pastebin .. maybe someone here will see something |
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| 02:53.34 | enouf | enn: because lib*in*sanity would be too obvious? |
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| 02:54.33 | enn | is there some way to forcibly remove libsane? I need to run the CVS version to get support for my scanner but do not want to lose Wine. |
| 02:54.52 | memnon | Dominicus: So it is a bug against update-manager, isn't it?! |
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| 02:55.03 | Dominicus | memnon: And yes, you are correct. I did forget to update my multimedia line from etch to lenny. Thanks for catching that. |
| 02:55.28 | memnon | Dominicus: Wait, you have listbug installed?! |
| 02:55.55 | Dominicus | memnon: It's looking that way. I just updated multimedia to lenny, and turned it back on, and updated aptitude. And I'm attempting to update my system again. |
| 02:55.58 | mordy | enouf, ok i see the logfile option (i.e. in respect to resume) - but how would i skip the bad blocks? |
| 02:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vasistha, go through it very very carefully :-P |
| 02:56.05 | abrotman | !tell enn about equivs |
| 02:56.28 | memnon | Dr_Link: Still thinking about your problem! |
| 02:56.55 | Dr_Link | I'm still finding a replacement distro! |
| 02:56.56 | Dominicus | memnon: If I do, it's not something I intentionally did. I have a aptitude reference file I keep for when I need to rebuild my system after I break it all to hell sometime.s |
| 02:57.06 | Vasistha | iceweasel 3.0.4 (lenny) crashing on gmail :( http://rafb.net/p/rXmuTK68.html |
| 02:57.07 | enn | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:57.44 | Vasistha | abrotman: I'm noticing that it seems to be looking for libcurl and libcurl-gnutls |
| 02:58.06 | enouf | mordy: dd_rhelp functionality has been implemented in {g}ddrescue |
| 02:58.11 | Dominicus | memnon: back in a while. |
| 02:58.13 | memnon | Dominicus: If you are running testing or unstable, your *really* want apt-listbugs! |
| 02:58.36 | memnon | Dr_Link: Still no success? |
| 02:58.49 | Dr_Link | no success. |
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| 02:59.00 | memnon | Dr_Link: grummel |
| 02:59.08 | memnon | fetches some coffee |
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| 02:59.18 | Kassah | I'm a bit confused about the kernel situation |
| 02:59.24 | Kassah | http://packages.debian.org/etch/kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp tjat |
| 02:59.40 | Kassah | 'that's what I have on my server currently... but it isn't upgraded to the latest kernel |
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| 03:00.33 | memnon | Dr_Link: Okay, /dev/hdc is definately your cdrom?! |
| 03:00.41 | Vasistha | abrotman: woo! I am fixed! had to install libcurl3-gnutls ... I guess that should be a dependency!! |
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| 03:01.02 | abrotman | Vasistha: are you sure it isn't ? |
| 03:01.31 | memnon | Dr_Link: The cdrom does not only blink when you just inserted the cd, as it always does, but also a few seconds later, when you try to mount? |
| 03:01.35 | abrotman | Vasistha: maybe file a bug or look for one that is already filed |
| 03:01.37 | Vasistha | abrotman: I can promise you that before I just installed it 1.5 mins ago, libcurl3-gnutls was not installed on this system. |
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| 03:01.45 | abrotman | promise?! |
| 03:02.14 | Deepa | man: fork failed: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 03:02.15 | Deepa | :D |
| 03:02.16 | Vasistha | abrotman: will do. I'm suspicious that most people already have that installed -- probably something else pulled it in as a dependency -- so this dependency bug would be tough to spot |
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| 03:02.33 | mordy | enouf, i finally found it in the info page (i hate info pages) - whew |
| 03:02.37 | Vasistha | yes, promise. As in -- make not mistake, I's sure |
| 03:02.51 | Vasistha | but perhaps with a little more certainty in my grammar |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | Vasistha: you could verify this by uninstalling the package and creating a new user on your system and verifying the issue |
| 03:02.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !definately |
| 03:02.59 | dpkg | Try definitely dumbass |
| 03:03.03 | mordy | lol |
| 03:03.21 | Deepa | I got a remote directory, and I want to copy it all over sftp/scp over to this computer |
| 03:03.39 | Deepa | The directory is 80GB in size, so just a SCP on that folder wasn't optimal (incase it got cutoff or something) |
| 03:03.44 | Vasistha | hehe, one of the funniest things I ever ran across on a matchmaking site was the following: "I am looking for a kind and dissent man. Charm and good looks is defiantly a plus." |
| 03:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, rsync? |
| 03:04.26 | Vasistha | abrotman: dunno why I would have to try as a different user, though :) |
| 03:04.42 | abrotman | Vasistha: to ensure a clean environment |
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| 03:04.58 | nullboy | Deepa: rsync then |
| 03:05.01 | Deepa | CutMeOwnThroat, indeed. I just don't know what command to use :D |
| 03:05.06 | nullboy | damn CutMeOwnThroat totally beat me |
| 03:05.08 | Deepa | And I can't open a browser or the manual page |
| 03:05.19 | nullboy | why can't you open a man page? |
| 03:05.40 | Vasistha | abrotman: well, I already moved ~/.mozilla out of the way, but that's true, it wouldn't hurt to have a truly clean environment |
| 03:05.48 | Deepa | man: fork failed: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 03:05.49 | memnon | Dr_Link: Which Program do you want to install? |
| 03:06.00 | nullboy | what the hell |
| 03:06.07 | Dr_Link | memnon: xorg. |
| 03:06.13 | Dr_Link | 'sokay, I"ve given up for now |
| 03:06.17 | Dr_Link | going to go setup a dualboot on this machine right here. |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | Vasistha: it's more "proof |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | " |
| 03:06.24 | Deepa | I don't think swearing helps |
| 03:06.44 | nullboy | Deepa: spare me |
| 03:06.55 | Deepa | From? |
| 03:07.08 | nullboy | Deepa: from that sort of week remark |
| 03:07.39 | abrotman | Deepa: can you spawn anything ? |
| 03:07.39 | nullboy | Deepa: i wasn't swearing at you, for what it is worth |
| 03:07.54 | Deepa | abrotman, ls works just fine, scp works just fine |
| 03:07.59 | memnon | damn, i hate if i can not help :( |
| 03:08.06 | abrotman | Deepa: you assuem those spawn |
| 03:08.18 | nullboy | memnon: look out Deepa doesn't like "swearing" |
| 03:08.24 | Deepa | Well things that doesn't spawn work just fine :) |
| 03:08.24 | abrotman | rather .. fork |
| 03:08.52 | memnon | I am german, to me damn is as natural as pardon. I learned a lot from TV ;) |
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| 03:09.40 | nullboy | memnon: yeah well, apparently saying 'what the hell' is swearing so saying 'damn' can only be horrible too |
| 03:09.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | nullboy, I did? and without even noticing that I beat someone up :) |
| 03:09.48 | nullboy | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
| 03:09.53 | memnon | In fact, watching ConAir one might think f*ck is the most common enlish word. |
| 03:09.54 | Deepa | Nope, can't fork anything |
| 03:10.03 | nullboy | memnon: hahah |
| 03:10.10 | abrotman | Deepa: tried a spork ? |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | looks at ampex |
| 03:10.17 | abrotman | whoops! |
| 03:10.32 | abrotman | damn amphi .. never around for a spork! |
| 03:10.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, /usr/bin/rsync -auz c:/remote/dir /local/dir |
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| 03:10.44 | Guerin | i like swearing |
| 03:10.53 | Deepa | Thank you CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, look in man rsync what they mean... |
| 03:11.05 | Deepa | 'cept I can't look in the manpage :p |
| 03:11.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, that fork thing? |
| 03:11.21 | Deepa | Which is going to be my next problem as soon as I get the backups running again |
| 03:11.21 | Deepa | Yeah |
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| 03:11.31 | Guerin | my dad was once arrested when, having been warned by a constable to cease using foul language, he replied `Can't we even speak the Queen's fuckin' English any more?' |
| 03:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, that means there are too many processes on your id - which probably means some process is spawning like wild |
| 03:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, but that means you can't run any process? |
| 03:12.04 | memnon | Guerin: you are british? |
| 03:12.09 | Guerin | memnon: no. |
| 03:12.12 | Deepa | 14 processes |
| 03:12.18 | memnon | Guerin: Uff, arrested in the us for this?! |
| 03:12.23 | Guerin | memnon: no. |
| 03:12.28 | Deepa | is what ps ux hints for |
| 03:12.34 | Deepa | Well thigns that doens't fork runs just fine :P |
| 03:12.38 | Guerin | (why would anyone in USia talk abotu the Queen's English?) |
| 03:12.55 | memnon | Guerin: So, whats left. Aussie? |
| 03:13.03 | Guerin | memnon: getting warmer. |
| 03:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, I'd say you should fix that first |
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| 03:13.39 | Deepa | man man works :D |
| 03:13.40 | memnon | Guerin: yea, why would. |
| 03:13.47 | Deepa | or not :/ |
| 03:13.48 | Deepa | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, and everything forks... bash forks a new process, then exec's the program you called |
| 03:14.21 | mordy | ok, trying ddrescue now |
| 03:14.27 | mordy | this better work, enouf |
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| 03:15.37 | memnon | Guerin: Well, this kind of overly sensitive reaction of cops I only heard of from the us. german police is way more forgiving :) |
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| 03:15.56 | Guerin | memnon: in fairness, it was the 1970s |
| 03:16.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | memnon, you mean they outright beat you up... which helps them to control their aggression? |
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| 03:18.31 | memnon | CutMeOwnThroat: In fact, I think in the US, my usual tone to an "officer" in germany would, as far as I heard, cause some trouble. I respect them as persons, just like anyone else. But giving respect for just an uniform seems a bit absurd. If they misbehave, I properly react. No "Yes officer. I get out of the car at once and keep my hands up officer". But maybe, this is just clichee. |
| 03:19.26 | enn | If I create a dummy package with equivs, with a higher version number than the existing package, and install it, how do I get rid of all the files that purge would have gotten rid of? |
| 03:19.43 | abrotman | sends memnon to #debian-offtopic to continue this |
| 03:19.58 | nullboy | memnon: i'm in california and telling even CHP that "this is bullshit wtf" would only ensure a ticket |
| 03:19.59 | nullboy | nothing more |
| 03:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | memnon, well, yeah - I've seen people getting stopped in their cars here in the US ... that looks SCARY... but perhaps we should go to #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 03:20.24 | heffay | what city you in null? |
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| 03:20.33 | nullboy | Ventura |
| 03:20.43 | heffay | right on, im from oakland |
| 03:20.46 | nullboy | nice |
| 03:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, it's friday |
| 03:20.53 | memnon | offtopic. okay. but null: Thats right what I heard. |
| 03:21.29 | nullboy | memnon: the tickets just mean pay up too, not a big deal ;) |
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| 03:21.56 | nullboy | i'm putting Fedora 10 in a VM now to check it out |
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| 03:22.18 | nullboy | crap wrong window |
| 03:22.24 | Guerin | nullboy: you have my condolences |
| 03:22.25 | nullboy | that was *way* ot ;) |
| 03:22.31 | nullboy | Guerin: haha thanks |
| 03:23.05 | memnon | Id rather pay for a new laptop. -> Is there a nice way to make sure a laptop is supported by stable? I find ubuntus page quite impressive as a buyguide. I found nothing comparable for debian :( |
| 03:23.21 | Guerin | the part of me which found fedora 8 completely broken in 2004 wonders how it still manages to stay afloat |
| 03:23.31 | memnon | is OnT again *froi* |
| 03:23.48 | liable | there wasnt fedora 8 in 2004 |
| 03:23.49 | Guerin | memnon: software other than the kernel doesn't really support hardware. |
| 03:24.00 | path_ | memnon, get a thinkpad and enjoy. :) |
| 03:24.04 | Deepa | liable, which makes it even more mysterious on how it manages to stay afloat :) |
| 03:24.09 | liable | i installed fc1 in 2004 |
| 03:24.15 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 03:24.15 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>. |
| 03:24.21 | mordy | yeah, besides almost all of my hardware problems that i've had (that were at all resolvable) were found on ubuntu resources |
| 03:24.25 | Guerin | liable: oh, right, I'm thinking red hat version numbers |
| 03:24.27 | memnon | path_: I got a thinkpad for this very reason :) But they are *really* expansive. |
| 03:24.39 | Guerin | yeah, it was fedora about the time of the RH9 transition |
| 03:25.00 | path_ | not if you consider their goodies memnon ;) |
| 03:25.07 | nullboy | memnon: by Dell D620 is works fine with lenny and i made ti work fine with slackware ;) |
| 03:25.10 | nullboy | by/my |
| 03:25.24 | nullboy | dell gear is actually pretty darn linux friendly |
| 03:25.37 | nullboy | you can even flash the bios from linux |
| 03:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | just because they sell you old stuff :-P |
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| 03:26.10 | memnon | I will not buy a laptop soon. Its rather, if a friendy would consider installing debian, I would like to tell him: Yes, works. Or this and that might not work. |
| 03:26.14 | nullboy | nah, i hand down my used laptops to family members |
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| 03:26.51 | Guerin | memnon: thinkpads work. Other stuff might not. |
| 03:26.51 | nullboy | usually the chain goes me > dad > mom haha |
| 03:27.03 | memnon | I know linux-laptop, but I think it feels, like, unreliable. |
| 03:27.11 | Guerin | memnon: it isn't. |
| 03:27.14 | mordy | it's sketchy information there |
| 03:27.19 | mordy | outdated etc. |
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| 03:27.32 | memnon | Do you guys know the ubuntu equivalent? |
| 03:27.33 | Guerin | memnon: it's as old as the laptops, usually. |
| 03:27.35 | mordy | well great, what a "miracle" ddrescue is, same crap |
| 03:27.36 | Guerin | Which is reasonable. |
| 03:27.39 | nullboy | I'm with Guerin; thinkpads are know to work great and have specific kernel drivers, some deal with dell |
| 03:27.58 | Guerin | memnon: you have a fucked hard drive. It's probably unfixable. |
| 03:28.03 | nullboy | some/same** |
| 03:28.10 | mordy | you probably meant me, guerin |
| 03:28.10 | mordy | lol |
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| 03:28.19 | Guerin | bah, so I did |
| 03:28.22 | memnon | I hope so :) |
| 03:28.26 | Guerin | damned people with similar nicks |
| 03:28.49 | mordy | yeah, i'm just trying to get it to skip errors |
| 03:28.49 | Guerin | mordy: let this be a lesson to you! |
| 03:28.49 | nullboy | i could make it worse |
| 03:28.49 | LastWho | hi |
| 03:28.52 | mordy | lol |
| 03:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | exactly, Gun_Smoke |
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| 03:29.10 | mordy | well, the hd i'm installing comes from a thinkpad |
| 03:29.11 | Gun_Smoke | huh? |
| 03:29.14 | memnon | Ubuntu Laptop Tesing Team: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam. This would be nice for debian, too. But this needs lot of support of the users. |
| 03:29.23 | mordy | for those of you who are speaking about thinkpad |
| 03:29.26 | Gun_Smoke | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
| 03:29.28 | mordy | not installing, i mean fixing |
| 03:29.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn people with similar nicks ;) |
| 03:29.37 | mordy | or trying to salvage data from |
| 03:29.43 | Gun_Smoke | CutMeOwnThroat, ah... |
| 03:29.45 | Guerin | memnon: chances are very, very good that a laptop which works with ubuntu will work with a debian kernel of the same version |
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| 03:30.07 | LastWho | Please, how could i get Egika working! i keep receiving the "registration failed" error, even after forwarding ports on both Router and Iptables!!! any help plz :-( |
| 03:30.35 | mordy | !plz |
| 03:30.36 | dpkg | somebody said plz was german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it If you say 'plz' because it's shorter than 'please', I'll say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'. |
| 03:30.42 | memnon | Guerin: So, if someone asks, I send them to ubuntu. okay. |
| 03:30.48 | Vasistha | abrotman: thanks so much for your help, man. See ya later :) |
| 03:30.59 | Guerin | memnon: well, if you like. But you could just tell them what I told you. |
| 03:31.01 | abrotman | later! |
| 03:31.01 | Gun_Smoke | CutMeOwnThroat, no clue what your client is.. but I believe xchat will auto complete in order of last msg sent |
| 03:31.24 | memnon | meant no irony. |
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| 03:31.30 | Guerin | Gun_Smoke: he's just doing it to bait me. |
| 03:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, sorry :) |
| 03:31.48 | petemc | Gun_Smoke: you were the unwitting victim of an intentional wrong completion |
| 03:31.57 | Gun_Smoke | ah.. we'll I seem to have been baited as well.. |
| 03:31.57 | petemc | too slow |
| 03:32.04 | memnon | plz means Postleitzahl :) |
| 03:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't sue me! |
| 03:32.12 | Gun_Smoke | can I? |
| 03:32.16 | petemc | sues Cueball |
| 03:32.19 | Gun_Smoke | I'm broke, I'll have to look into that |
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| 03:34.13 | memnon | LastWho: I ask google... |
| 03:34.17 | mordy | hey, don't blame me for the bad disk; it's not my computer lol |
| 03:34.38 | LastWho | memnon: i asked google lol |
| 03:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gun_Smoke, you'll have to say you suffered psychological damage |
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| 03:35.01 | LastWho | thats why i tried the forwarding thing |
| 03:35.07 | mordy | although i have a disk of my own that i smashed in a fit of rage - that was 500 GB and contained a lot of important stuff |
| 03:35.19 | Gun_Smoke | I have, and documented.. with witnesses. And IPs logged that I could whois :D |
| 03:35.29 | petemc | LastWho: why is there iptables involved at all? |
| 03:36.45 | LastWho | i read a howto forward a port, so there is 2 parts: the router then iptables |
| 03:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gun_Smoke, so I'll go and spend all the money I have and take up as much debts as I can... you'll not get a penny out of me |
| 03:36.57 | memnon | LastWho: Okay, if you googled already, checked all instructions, checked all firmware etc. all I can say is: No idea. I do not use it. |
| 03:36.59 | mordy | how do i set how much ddrescue seeks/skips after an error? |
| 03:37.13 | LastWho | ok memnon thx |
| 03:37.42 | mordy | or do i just set the block size |
| 03:37.48 | Gun_Smoke | CutMeOwnThroat, hardware works :D and isn't there some cool commercial going something along the lines of "Don't worry, if its there we'll find it" |
| 03:37.54 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: invest it in GM |
| 03:37.58 | mordy | to something like 200 |
| 03:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:38.10 | petemc | mordy: 200 what? |
| 03:38.19 | mordy | 200 blocks |
| 03:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll try to spend as much as I can on food |
| 03:38.36 | mordy | oh |
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| 03:39.09 | mordy | well, i guess if a block size is 512 bytes, then 200 blocks would be 200*512 |
| 03:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | LastWho, you shouldn't need port forwarding - possibly a stun proxy.... btw, the ekiga stun proxy seems to be chronically broken (I found messages from... 2006 about that and the problem still seemed to persist) |
| 03:39.40 | LastWho | O |
| 03:39.46 | petemc | mordy: sounds like you want the skip option, but im not sure ddrescue takes the same options as dd |
| 03:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | LastWho, so don't use their stun proxy, but google for a different one (well, port forwarding would of course also work - but did you test if that's really forwarding tcp and udp?) |
| 03:40.03 | petemc | LastWho: if you have a local firewall, lose it, then try again |
| 03:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (also, are you sure you're forwarding all relevant ports in the correct way) |
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| 03:40.52 | LastWho | here re my current iptables: target prot opt source destination |
| 03:40.52 | LastWho | ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:3478 |
| 03:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I must admit, I don't even know which port it uses ... got it to work before I had to find out |
| 03:41.30 | LastWho | i ll try to find another proxy as suggested, or just another client! |
| 03:41.36 | LastWho | thank for your help |
| 03:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | LastWho, and btw... for calling the echo test, I don't think you should need a proxy ... |
| 03:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure anymore |
| 03:42.46 | LastWho | got it :p thank u CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:42.52 | LastWho | later guys |
| 03:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no - two reasons: a) you're calling, so everything that you send out should penetrate your NAT and b) the echo test |
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| 03:43.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | most probably doesn't run behind a NAT, so being called isn't a problem for it |
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| 03:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, registration happens before all that and you say this fails |
| 03:44.34 | mordy | well, this is just great - |
| 03:44.57 | kingsley2 | Is dnsmask smart enough to update its DNS cache with IP addresses it allocates via DHCP? |
| 03:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | LastWho, you made and account with ekiga.net, I guess and got your username and password |
| 03:45.54 | LastWho | the registration on the wedsite worked fine, but ekiga couldn't connect and showed me that error message |
| 03:46.19 | LastWho | what do you guys use as client? for video-audio chat? |
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| 03:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, account settings look straight forward to me - account name: ekiga (doesn't really matter); Registrar: ekiga.net User: yourusername Authentication Login: yourusername |
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| 03:46.52 | memnon | phone |
| 03:46.58 | LastWho | lol |
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| 03:47.34 | LastWho | i m ll do that when i get my Htc touch pro 8-) |
| 03:47.39 | mordy | what does the --no-split option do? i see it says that it helps to "skip the error areas" - but how does it do that? |
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| 03:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I'm not behind a NAT here, afaik so I removed the stun server altogether on this machine |
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| 03:48.31 | LastWho | What do u use for V-A chat CutMyThroat? |
| 03:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | LastWho, sorry, I got that wrong - I think you should use no outbound proxy, and just a stun server - and it was the ekiga stunserver that was problematic (dunno if it still is, but I had problems with it when I tried some months ago) |
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| 03:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't |
| 03:48.54 | memnon | :) |
| 03:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just use ekiga for phoning to .de and within the US |
| 03:49.14 | LastWho | ok |
| 03:49.33 | nan8 | thinks twinkle works much better than ekiga |
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| 03:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is damn cheap with voipstunt as a provider... although the guys webpage looks like they were crooks |
| 03:49.59 | nan8 | thinks linphone isn't that bad either |
| 03:50.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nan8, did you set up an answering machine, btw? |
| 03:50.43 | nan8 | CutMeOwnThroat: using asterisk, yes |
| 03:50.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | how hard is that? |
| 03:50.56 | nan8 | not that hard |
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| 03:51.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I tried once and gave up after... what was it... 5 minutes? :) |
| 03:51.08 | nan8 | CutMeOwnThroat: but imho sip+nat sucks ... |
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| 03:51.21 | memnon | Well, my phonecalls are free in whole europe. I hardly need it, though. I always thought VoIP is worth the trouble if you call over the water ... |
| 03:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | memnon, using what? |
| 03:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "phone"? |
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| 03:52.06 | memnon | yeah, that old school thing you keep in your hand :) |
| 03:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it work without a provider/plan/whatever? |
| 03:53.02 | LastWho | so the V in VoIp stands for Vater, the German of water??! :p |
| 03:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ouch |
| 03:53.32 | Guerin | you mean `wasser'? |
| 03:53.32 | LastWho | lol ok |
| 03:53.34 | memnon | ? It works really out of the box without a computer. Why should I go through all this trouble. Skype seems to work for lots of people, but I do not need it |
| 03:53.35 | Guerin | LastWho: it must hurt to be that stupid. |
| 03:53.41 | LastWho | thx |
| 03:53.45 | memnon | Vater=father |
| 03:53.45 | mordy | water over ip can cause problems |
| 03:53.52 | LastWho | sorry lol just kidding |
| 03:54.45 | LastWho | so it does exist! i m knew i heard it some where |
| 03:55.03 | cortef | is it legal to use privacy screen in workplace ? |
| 03:55.16 | memnon | maybe "Vaterland", lots of films with nazis use it :) |
| 03:55.25 | mordy | lol |
| 03:55.39 | Guerin | !htfswk cortef? |
| 03:55.39 | dpkg | cortef: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:55.44 | LastWho | and memnon get the Godwin point of the night :p bravo |
| 03:55.52 | LastWho | lol |
| 03:56.30 | memnon | hey, learned sth new :) |
| 03:56.57 | LastWho | u mean wasser? |
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| 03:56.58 | mordy | memnon, another dpkg factoid? |
| 03:57.00 | mordy | lol |
| 03:57.24 | abrotman | cortef: that depnds on your workplce IT usage policy |
| 03:57.40 | abrotman | and your local laws |
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| 03:59.33 | memnon | godwins law - reductio ad Hitlerum: nice :) |
| 04:00.08 | memnon | ah, workplace. I thought that was a program... |
| 04:00.33 | memnon | stop babbling |
| 04:01.12 | mordy | is this normal? i get this after each io error "<memnon> godwins law - reductio ad Hitlerum: nice :) |
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| 04:01.13 | mordy | <memnon> ah, workplace. I thought that was a program..." |
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| 04:01.28 | mordy | wtf? |
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| 04:02.05 | mordy | well, i meant to say i get this after ... ^^ [163055.964513] usb 5-1.4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 22 |
| 04:02.31 | jabis | hmm what tools are there to mount/access vmdk's in debian? |
| 04:03.12 | jabis | I'd need to recovery some data from a vmdk disk but can't get the player to install on lenny, without recompiling the whole kernel |
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| 04:09.07 | SirNeo | hello! |
| 04:09.16 | SirNeo | can someone tell me whow can i strat a bg process |
| 04:09.20 | SirNeo | without using screen ? |
| 04:09.26 | SirNeo | or where i found screen to install ? |
| 04:09.38 | pickcoder | strat? |
| 04:09.42 | memnon | start |
| 04:09.45 | SirNeo | y run |
| 04:09.48 | pickcoder | command & |
| 04:09.49 | SirNeo | a procees |
| 04:09.59 | pickcoder | fg brings it back to the foreground |
| 04:10.02 | memnon | and "fg" "bg" |
| 04:10.16 | memnon | "jobs" |
| 04:10.30 | mordy | rescued: 12170 MB, errsize: 561 kB, current rate: 531 B/s |
| 04:10.30 | jabis | installing screen should be no biggie too, apt-get install screen |
| 04:10.41 | SirNeo | omg |
| 04:10.43 | SirNeo | so easy |
| 04:10.49 | memnon | It's Debian :) |
| 04:10.52 | SirNeo | y |
| 04:10.55 | SirNeo | first time when i use it |
| 04:11.16 | SirNeo | thx |
| 04:11.57 | jabis | np |
| 04:12.43 | jabis | but nao guise, whats a good virtualization product that can handle vmdk's anyone? |
| 04:13.04 | nullboy | i use KVM |
| 04:13.14 | nullboy | but that's probably a bad choice in this case |
| 04:13.20 | kingsley2 | Can dnsmasq resolve private network domain names that it assigned IP addresses to via DHCP? |
| 04:14.07 | memnon | Usually, C-z brings a running program in the background. fg brings it back. Most programs keep on running, but some stop, till you fg them. Is there a guideline what behaviour is "right"? |
| 04:14.22 | jabis | I got fed up trying to install vmware, hence it dislikes my gcc version, and I will not waste any more useless time on recompiling the kernel, over a few cd's worth of stuff, if i seriously don't have to |
| 04:14.36 | zinx | memnon: when i send a SIGSTOP to a process, i generally expect it to stop. |
| 04:14.54 | nullboy | well kvm/qemu can support: Supported format: nbd parallels qcow2 vvfat vpc bochs dmg cloop vmdk qcow cow host_device raw |
| 04:15.39 | memnon | zinx: Oh. I thought C-z = command &. Is there a shortcut |
| 04:15.43 | jabis | okie, thanks for the info, googling now |
| 04:15.54 | memnon | zinx: to send a program in background but keep it running, then? |
| 04:16.08 | zinx | memnon: C-z is "ctrl-z", which usually sends a sigstop and does some shell magic to set up fg/bg to work. |
| 04:16.51 | zinx | memnon: ctrl-z, bg. but do note it won't close or redirect stdout/stdin |
| 04:17.03 | mordy | man this drive is fucked |
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| 04:18.47 | memnon | zinx: My example: I listen to some mp3 using mpg321. I want to do something. Can I send mpg321 to background *and* keep on listening to free this console and e.g. visit a file. Well, I use screen most of the time, so it is a theoretical question. |
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| 04:19.11 | zinx | memnon: yes, and i told you how. |
| 04:19.21 | memnon | tries |
| 04:19.43 | zinx | do note it only sends it to the background, it doesn't cut off stdin/stdout :P |
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| 04:21.22 | seeker | just thought i would stop by with an update. on my printer issue I typed smbclient -L computername -N |
| 04:21.51 | memnon | zinx: yes, works :) thx. |
| 04:22.03 | seeker | to find out the printer name hanging on the box and then via cups I typed smb://computername/printername in url and it works |
| 04:22.04 | LastWho | Can i ask another question plz? |
| 04:22.31 | seeker | thanks for all the previous input |
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| 04:27.34 | LastWho | How could i get sound on both mozilla and another player? e.g amarok;; what i ve tried so far: 1- using ALSA instead of Pulseaudio (syst--> preference --> sound) ; 2- installing this package: ~$ sudo aptitude install libflashsupport .. both didn't work! |
| 04:27.52 | nullboy | seeker: just so you know, that smbclient command started a session and then cups used that session |
| 04:28.29 | nullboy | seeker: i had the same issue on a different distribution |
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| 04:28.49 | seeker | nullboy: thanks for the clarification |
| 04:29.12 | seeker | my epson upstairs works but my brother downstairs just says receiving data |
| 04:29.24 | seeker | and still does not print but we are much closer |
| 04:29.35 | nullboy | seeker: you can try using different printer drivers too |
| 04:29.45 | nullboy | sometimes a different version or driver will help |
| 04:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | LastWho, for many cards only alsa will let multiple applications access sound (you should check for your sound hardware) - try using the aoss wrapper to force using alsa (as in "aoss iceweasel") |
| 04:30.14 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I run debian Lenny and am using the debian-multimedia.org repository to get mythtv and mplayer. I have a problem with a segfault. mplayer mythtvbackent and vlc all segfault on startup for me. It looks like the same problem http://www.nabble.com/Re:--Lenny--Segfault-Problem-mit-vlc,-mplayer-und-mythtv-p18059741.html has but the google translation is not very understandable. Anyone know what I need to do to fix the problem? Thanks |
| 04:30.21 | seeker | nullboy: i used lpadmin ---- /root/inkjet.ppd |
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| 04:30.47 | LastWho | CutMeOwnThroat: thank u, ill try and brb |
| 04:30.58 | seeker | although the command prompt said it did not find the lpadmin command |
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| 04:31.53 | seeker | nullboy: where do you get other drivers I loaded some from brother site |
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| 04:32.38 | nullboy | seeker: have you tried using the cups configuration tool? |
| 04:33.28 | nullboy | the http based tool running on http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 04:33.48 | seeker | nullboy: yes that is how I got the epson to work and also the brother to work kind of |
| 04:34.12 | nullboy | that should have a long list of drivers and some models have multiple drivers |
| 04:34.56 | Gokee2 | Hmm it looks to me like its a problem with my nvidia driver? I am pretty sure I had to link gcc to gcc 4.1 in order to get the driver to compile |
| 04:35.14 | seeker | nullboy: ok i will chek that out as far as the brother is concerned. this is exciting |
| 04:35.55 | nullboy | my HP1220c had ~4 different drivers to play with |
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| 04:39.22 | seeker | nullboy: thanks I had not loaded the drivers evidently. It just printed a test page |
| 04:39.43 | nullboy | seeker: sweet! |
| 04:40.30 | seeker | nullboy: this printer has a card reader for camera memory sticks can i get this debian box to see the stick? |
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| 04:41.01 | nullboy | seeker: hmm, maybe. is the debian box connectedto the printer via USB or network? |
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| 04:43.00 | seeker | nullboy: the printer is hanging on a xp box which is connected to same router that the debian box is |
| 04:43.43 | pickcoder | boggles |
| 04:43.51 | pickcoder | and you're connecting to the printer how? |
| 04:43.54 | pickcoder | samba? |
| 04:43.56 | nullboy | seeker: if you can make the XP see an inserted card, you might be able to share the card or a directory on the card and then gain access in debian using cifs |
| 04:44.04 | nullboy | pickcoder: he's using cups/samba |
| 04:44.09 | pickcoder | ew |
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| 04:44.14 | nullboy | it works. |
| 04:44.23 | pickcoder | it should work with the hplip drivers |
| 04:44.34 | pickcoder | and the reader should show up like any other reader |
| 04:44.34 | nullboy | yeah and it works right now too.... |
| 04:44.55 | pickcoder | as long as XP doesn't crash |
| 04:44.56 | pickcoder | :) |
| 04:44.57 | nullboy | you can help him break the working setup |
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| 04:45.24 | seeker | ok does debian have a good recovery tool that can pull stuff off of damaged memory disks? |
| 04:46.03 | nullboy | seeker: data recovery on flash media is sketchy at best. you can try to dd or dd_rescue an image off of the messed up flash device |
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| 04:46.57 | seeker | nullboy: you are loseing me. cifs?? dd or dd_rescue?? are these command prompts? |
| 04:46.59 | memnon | Gokee2: I just had a look at the thread. I can translate the solved mail at the end of the thread |
| 04:47.22 | seeker | nullboy: brb I am going to get the memory stick |
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| 04:47.27 | nullboy | seeker: dealing with a damaged stick is different than using cifs to access a working stick over the network.... |
| 04:48.28 | newsense | with wpasupplicant in roaming mode which ap is connected to first, one with most signal, first in the wpa_supplicant.conf, or first in interfaces ? |
| 04:48.30 | jabis | found out a nice qemu-img one-liner, it really rocks, I can export the vmdk's to raw and cat to qemu bootable img, thus data is saved :) |
| 04:48.51 | jabis | thanks, nullboy, for the pointer :> |
| 04:49.03 | nullboy | newsense: in my experience, wpa_supplicant will choose the best singal |
| 04:49.06 | nullboy | signal* |
| 04:49.25 | nullboy | jabis: you're welcome, qemu-img rocks |
| 04:49.31 | newsense | nullboy, thanks couldnt seem to find anything about that in the docs or mans |
| 04:50.15 | memnon | Gokee2: he used a selfmade kernel. Lenny uses gcc 4.2 instead 4.1. This confused the invidia drivers. He compiled the kernel again and then, with the new kernel, he compiled the nvidia drivers again. Then everything worked out fine. |
| 04:50.19 | seeker | nullboy: i am back |
| 04:50.25 | nullboy | newsense: my home lan has 4 APs and my laptop uses wpa_supplicant and regardless of config file position, wpa_supplicant seems to pick the one with the best signal |
| 04:50.26 | memnon | Gokee2: hth |
| 04:50.35 | nullboy | newsense: i think that's normal haha ;) |
| 04:50.37 | mordy | gee, not only is this drive messed up, it also gets pretty damn hot for a small drive at 4200 rpm |
| 04:50.38 | seeker | got the stick in the card reader |
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| 04:50.50 | jabis | my lenny is using gcc 4.3 |
| 04:51.15 | memnon | jabis: well, the mail is from jun. |
| 04:51.47 | Gokee2 | memnon, Ah I see thanks |
| 04:51.50 | jabis | yeh |
| 04:52.18 | Gokee2 | memnon, I am rather hoping not to compile my own kernel though :? |
| 04:52.21 | Gokee2 | :/(* |
| 04:52.23 | jabis | but I think it should've thrown an error at compile-time with the driver |
| 04:52.31 | Gokee2 | :(* |
| 04:53.20 | jabis | nullboy, yes this qemu stuff rocks, it's just hard on my cpu :D |
| 04:53.41 | nullboy | jabis: which CPU do you have? |
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| 04:54.16 | jabis | an older one, athlon 64 3500+ |
| 04:54.25 | nullboy | ah |
| 04:54.31 | nullboy | no virtualization there, right? |
| 04:54.40 | jabis | yep |
| 04:55.26 | memnon | Gokee2: hey says that all glx using programs segfaulted. Do you see this too? |
| 04:55.46 | jabis | the vmdk images just have a few cd's worth of work hours for me, so this is acceptable - recompiling my kernel would only for getting image to open would be a waste ^^ |
| 04:56.02 | seeker | nullboy: what drive would it be on. I can see the computer that printer is hanging on but no card reader |
| 04:56.18 | Gokee2 | memnon, Ya I tried glxgears a few minutes ago and that segfaulted |
| 04:56.25 | memnon | Gokee2: Do you use the drivers from debian/nonfree? |
| 04:56.29 | nullboy | seeker: share the card |
| 04:56.37 | jabis | brains bork - can't even type 6.56 am and no sleep |
| 04:56.55 | jabis | +39 centigrades fever, lol |
| 04:57.20 | Gokee2 | memnon, Right now I have some drivers I got from nvidia. I can`t remember but something seemed broken with the debian way last time I tried... Some package missing or something |
| 04:57.41 | memnon | Gokee2: Okay, your case is very similar to what is described there. |
| 04:58.13 | sweetandy | For the synaptics xorg driver, I'm told to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in my xorg.conf file. What section do I put this option in? The touchpad entry? |
| 04:58.46 | memnon | Gokee2: You might try deinstalling the Nvidia drivers and install deb from nonfree |
| 04:59.25 | memnon | Gokee2: You can *not* just install it. the nvidia scripts seem to stay in the way. |
| 04:59.48 | memnon | is only citing from the thread |
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| 05:00.22 | seeker | nullboy: looks hopeless I can not see the card from my xp box that it is connected to |
| 05:00.31 | memnon | Gokee2: or you can try to compile the driver again. |
| 05:00.53 | Gokee2 | memnon, Ya.. I have done the switch a few times... Its always a pain. Do you happen to remember where the site is that tells you how to get rid of the nvidia drivers? |
| 05:01.38 | seeker | nullboy: signing off I have a long day ahead of me. Thanks for the help |
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| 05:01.59 | memnon | Gokee2: one guy did it by hand, another mentioned that the nvidia script has a command line option to deinstall, but he does not mention the exact command. |
| 05:02.36 | Gokee2 | memnon, Hmm ok |
| 05:02.41 | memnon | Gokee2: The second one adds "from the back of my head", so it is not 100% definate |
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| 05:05.16 | CactusMD | what would be the easiest way to transfer a directory from one linux box to another? |
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| 05:05.23 | memnon | scp |
| 05:05.36 | memnon | thumbdrive :) |
| 05:05.46 | dto | hi. i installed lenny just now on an older machine, then installed xorg and xfce. but xorg puts out a signal that's out of range for the monitor, and i can't seem to get it to prompt me for different resolutions. |
| 05:05.54 | dto | dpkg-reconfigure asks everything BUT that |
| 05:06.20 | CactusMD | vi xorg.conf |
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| 05:06.46 | jabis | dto, lemme guess, ATI display card? |
| 05:06.51 | dto | i think so. |
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| 05:07.14 | jabis | dto, try ctrl+alt+plus some times whether you get something on the monitor |
| 05:08.03 | dto | nothing |
| 05:08.18 | dto | i'm reading the xorg.conf man page, what do i change though? |
| 05:08.20 | jabis | ctrl+alt+numpad plus I mean |
| 05:08.23 | dto | oh |
| 05:08.42 | Guerin | dto: did you try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg? |
| 05:09.11 | jabis | Guerin, if it's the same stuff as happened to me, wouldn't work :) |
| 05:09.29 | Guerin | hm, fail |
| 05:09.32 | Guerin | what xorg driver? |
| 05:09.54 | Guerin | (I use ati/radeon, and it's always been rock solid) |
| 05:10.35 | memnon | If there is too high a resolution chosen, why not edit xorg.conf and change that? |
| 05:10.56 | memnon | Or is it really about the frequencies? |
| 05:10.59 | Gokee2 | memnon, I got the nvidia drivers uninstalled but i remembered why I used the nvidia installer in the first place... The debian way no longer supports the card in this computer. (GeForce2 GTS) |
| 05:11.12 | jabis | Guerin, VX730 experienced issues |
| 05:11.19 | jabis | or is it VT730 chipset |
| 05:11.20 | Guerin | memnon: it might not be too high a resolution, but too high a resolution/refresh combination, which (unless you have manually set modelines) isn't editable |
| 05:11.44 | memnon | Gokee2: Damn, closed that thread already. |
| 05:11.57 | jabis | memnon, the basic xorg.conf is quite plain on lenny |
| 05:11.58 | Guerin | jabis: well, I guess that's much newer than my lovely old 9250 |
| 05:12.01 | memnon | Gokee2: I think someone mentioned to choose the -dev package |
| 05:12.28 | memnon | Gokee2: Which one did you try? |
| 05:13.03 | memnon | Gokee2: If it is really not supported, try to install the driver from nvidia afresh. Maybe... |
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| 05:13.29 | Gokee2 | memnon, I was reading http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers it says I need the 71xx driver which is not in lenny |
| 05:13.35 | jabis | my suggestion is that you download the catalyst drivers from ati page - remove every radeon/radeonhd drivers and set up the ati's one after that, and tweak your monitors setup in xorg.conf |
| 05:13.41 | Gokee2 | The only way I could get it is to pull it from unstable |
| 05:14.14 | memnon | Mhh, using xfree86, I could fiddle with the frequencies :( Now, everything is gone... |
| 05:14.17 | jabis | I've a brand new hd 4670 which suffered from this same issue, as the older ones, but with 4870 no problems |
| 05:15.12 | memnon | Gokee2: Mhh, I would try the driver from nvidia first. Install them again. If it does not help, now you know how to remove them. You can undo this very quick. |
| 05:15.15 | jabis | cvt a modeline and force a mode you know the monitor supports |
| 05:15.32 | dto | Guerin: yes. it just turns out the virtual screen is too big. |
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| 05:16.08 | Gokee2 | memnon, Ya I will |
| 05:16.11 | dto | so i think Virtual 1280 1024 |
| 05:16.24 | Gokee2_Broken | Stopping x |
| 05:16.34 | jabis | dto, make sure you've the proper driver loaded in Xorg.conf also |
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| 05:23.44 | Gokee2 | memnon, Now I get "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual" if I try and start glxgears |
| 05:25.22 | memnon | Gokee2: i will look into the thread again, if this error message is mentioned... |
| 05:25.35 | Gokee2 | memnon, Hmm looks like I had load glx off one sec |
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| 05:26.19 | Gokee2 | memnon, Hmm still the same problem with with that back on... |
| 05:27.05 | memnon | Gokee2: does google help? |
| 05:27.50 | Gokee2 | memnon, Still looking, I also got a "GLX is not supported with the Composite extension" errer while starting x |
| 05:28.12 | enouf | Gokee2: what about gf2? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [10de:0110] (rev b2) |
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| 05:29.07 | memnon | Gokee2: Sorry, the german thread does not help with this. As I said, I have no nvidea myself and can not really help. :( |
| 05:29.31 | Gokee2 | memnon, Ok, while thanks for reading that thread for me :) |
| 05:29.37 | Gokee2 | enouf, Whats that? |
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| 05:30.04 | jabis | Gokee, did you installed the driver in or outside the X session? |
| 05:30.08 | enouf | Gokee2: it's a gf2 card |
| 05:30.08 | stoned | nvidia provides its own GLX, turn off the GLX and DRI and GLCore modules |
| 05:30.10 | stoned | :/ |
| 05:30.23 | stoned | install nvidia-glx |
| 05:30.39 | jabis | stoned, enouf, good mornings to you guise |
| 05:30.46 | stoned | its midnight |
| 05:30.47 | Gokee2 | jabis, I shut down X and ran the nvidia installer |
| 05:30.54 | enouf | no |
| 05:30.59 | stoned | you ran the nvidia installer? |
| 05:31.03 | stoned | Gokee2, you need to go to #nvidia |
| 05:31.11 | enouf | install the 96xx the debian way |
| 05:31.17 | stoned | Gokee2, only debian packages are suported here and the debian way of doing things. |
| 05:31.20 | stoned | !nvidia |
| 05:31.20 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 05:31.26 | enouf | if you mist resort to binary blob crap |
| 05:31.30 | jabis | 07:31 here, stoned ;) |
| 05:31.33 | enouf | must* |
| 05:31.49 | memnon | stoned: He did. And his card seems not to be supported by debian packages except a package from unstable... |
| 05:31.51 | Gokee2 | enouf, It says that version does not support my card? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 05:31.57 | mordy | enouf, well i must say ddrescue worked |
| 05:32.06 | stoned | Gokee2, #nvidia |
| 05:32.09 | mordy | but now i'm having everything hit the fan on the same day |
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| 05:33.01 | Gokee2 | stoned, So whats the debian way to get it working? Pull 71xx from unstable? |
| 05:33.29 | stoned | yes |
| 05:33.43 | stoned | build it from unstable sources |
| 05:33.48 | dto | thanks folks, that Virtual subsection worked |
| 05:34.17 | stoned | judd versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 05:34.18 | judd | stoned: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 173.14.09-5 experimental/non-free: 177.80-1 |
| 05:34.41 | stoned | what is 71xx? |
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| 05:36.17 | enouf | mordy: ofcourse |
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| 05:36.30 | mordy | lol |
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| 05:36.39 | mordy | and windoze works fine |
| 05:36.57 | mordy | now i'm going to debootstrap this thing |
| 05:37.21 | Gokee2 | stoned, nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx |
| 05:37.38 | Gokee2 | stoned, Its the last version to support my gforce2 |
| 05:37.46 | stoned | you have a legacy card |
| 05:38.05 | Gokee2 | geforce* |
| 05:38.07 | mordy | is there a way to run debootstrap that it should run like a regular debian install? i.e. all those thihngs a normal system should have, for example a user account, root password - all those debconf things etc. |
| 05:38.21 | Gokee2 | stoned, Right, its a old computer |
| 05:38.34 | stoned | what is your card? |
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| 05:38.52 | stoned | and which debian releae are you using? |
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| 05:39.04 | Gokee2 | stoned, GeForce2 GTS and lenny |
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| 05:40.15 | stoned | gts? |
| 05:40.27 | CactusMD | anyone good with netcat here? |
| 05:40.57 | Gokee2 | stoned, Yep :) |
| 05:40.59 | stoned | nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx <-- grab from sid and build it |
| 05:41.06 | stoned | and all dependencies too |
| 05:41.10 | stoned | !tell Gokee2 -about ssb |
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| 05:41.45 | stoned | you said lenny |
| 05:41.52 | stoned | in fact, you don't need to backport |
| 05:42.34 | Gokee2 | stoned, m-a grabbed it from sid for me and it seemed to compile |
| 05:42.36 | stoned | you can just use that package from sid, and if it does cause any depenency issues, you can backport then |
| 05:43.02 | stoned | ok then what? |
| 05:44.34 | Gokee2 | stoned, I got the legacy glx package and now just tried to start x... It says it can`t find a supported gpu in the system |
| 05:45.12 | memnon | once again learns: irc-nick <> real name :) |
| 05:45.22 | memnon | uff, wrong channgel |
| 05:45.38 | Gokee2 | Hmm it also has a API mismatch NVIDIA kernel module 71.86.06 and nvidia driver 71.86.07 |
| 05:47.28 | stoned | Gokee2, just use the nv driver and call it a day |
| 05:47.35 | stoned | on a old system like that you don't want 3d do ya |
| 05:47.38 | stoned | fuck 3d accel. |
| 05:47.55 | Gokee2 | stoned, Aww thats no fun |
| 05:48.25 | Gokee2 | I payed $50 something for the card back in the day to play games with :) |
| 05:48.34 | stoned | dude |
| 05:48.36 | stoned | give it up :) |
| 05:48.43 | mordy | i'm sure someone paid $1000 for this laptop i'm trying to fix |
| 05:48.45 | stoned | or install windows |
| 05:48.54 | stoned | mordy, you fix computers? |
| 05:49.01 | mordy | i used to |
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| 05:49.12 | stoned | I can probably get in with nycomputerdoctor.com? |
| 05:49.15 | stoned | if you want |
| 05:49.18 | Gokee2 | stoned, I have had it working for years... Kinda sad support is going away for it |
| 05:49.21 | stoned | get you in* |
| 05:49.26 | mordy | i'm tired of fixing computers though |
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| 05:49.47 | stoned | Gokee2, old shit == bye bye :( |
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| 05:52.21 | Gokee2 | stoned, Hmm Well I started with the nv driver and glxgears does not start? I thought it would just be really really slow... |
| 05:52.33 | stoned | of coruse it doesn't |
| 05:52.43 | stoned | there is absolutely NO dri for nv |
| 05:52.49 | stoned | !nv |
| 05:52.50 | dpkg | methinks nv is the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/nv, http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/NVIDIA Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 05:53.05 | Gokee2 | Hmm |
| 05:53.22 | Gokee2 | O well I guess it works, I don`t really need anything fancy on my chat computer |
| 05:53.31 | stoned | well there ya go then |
| 05:53.34 | stoned | stay free brotha |
| 05:53.41 | stoned | fuck nvidia, nv ftw! |
| 05:53.53 | mordy | stoned, i thought nvidia was the best for linux |
| 05:53.59 | stoned | you kiddin me? |
| 05:54.00 | mordy | i mean it's either them or ati anyway |
| 05:54.01 | stoned | ATI |
| 05:54.05 | mordy | really? |
| 05:54.07 | stoned | indeed |
| 05:54.17 | stoned | in the open source world, those who open thier source win. |
| 05:54.21 | stoned | as simple as that |
| 05:54.54 | stoned | fglrx is closed, but driver specs are open, in ATI, and free drivers support ATI cards with almost all the features |
| 05:55.02 | stoned | radeon/radeonhd |
| 05:55.33 | stoned | Gokee2, can you purchase an old ATI card for a copule of dollars? |
| 05:55.50 | stoned | Gokee2, open source drivers for ATI will work with 3d on your system |
| 05:56.04 | Gokee2 | stoned, I will think about it now that you said they are open source... I want a card without a fan though |
| 05:56.06 | stoned | shouldn't be more than like 10 bucks |
| 05:56.38 | Gokee2 | Right now the fan is unplugged on the nvidia card :) |
| 05:56.42 | stoned | KDMFDM! BETTER THAN THE BEST! |
| 05:56.46 | stoned | *headbang* |
| 05:56.55 | mordy | ewwww |
| 05:56.56 | mordy | fan |
| 05:57.14 | mordy | cann't stand annoying fan noise |
| 05:57.30 | stoned | I love fan noise |
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| 05:57.34 | stoned | I must have ambient noise |
| 05:57.42 | mordy | ambient is one thing |
| 05:57.44 | stoned | either a pc fan, fan, heater, cieling fan, something |
| 05:57.45 | stoned | anything |
| 05:57.48 | stoned | I can't sleep in silence |
| 05:57.50 | stoned | it pisses me off |
| 05:57.57 | mordy | but not when it's a slightl screeching rattling and high pitched fan noise |
| 05:58.02 | stoned | I can hear every little sqeak and noise and I can't sleep |
| 05:58.09 | mordy | well same here |
| 05:58.13 | mordy | i love ac noise |
| 05:58.24 | Gokee2 | mordy, Its really loud right now in my room... I really need to do something to fix it. Even though the video card is quiet I still have 3-4 fans running in that computer |
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| 05:58.37 | mordy | lol |
| 05:58.38 | stoned | shoula gotten ball bearings |
| 05:58.44 | mordy | i only have one fan |
| 05:58.47 | stoned | no noise regardless of how fast you run them |
| 05:58.52 | stoned | no friction |
| 05:58.55 | stoned | :) |
| 05:59.01 | mordy | the noise isn't from my fan though |
| 05:59.06 | mordy | it's from the PSU |
| 05:59.07 | memnon | okay, to bed. bye |
| 05:59.12 | stoned | anyway this can be furthur discussed in ##hardware |
| 05:59.17 | mordy | yes yes |
| 05:59.27 | mordy | lol |
| 05:59.36 | mordy | but i need to know what i'm doing wrong in ntfsresize |
| 05:59.36 | Gokee2 | stoned, Hmmm... I should go find some ball bearing fans then |
| 05:59.46 | stoned | Gokee2, find a fanless card... |
| 05:59.51 | mordy | is there anything wrong with this? debmed:/home/mordy# ntfsresize -n -s=3.0 G /dev/sdd1 |
| 05:59.52 | stoned | thicker heatsink block |
| 05:59.58 | Gokee2 | stoned, I mean for my other fans |
| 05:59.58 | stoned | try to get one withi a copper one |
| 06:00.02 | stoned | Gokee2, sure |
| 06:00.17 | mordy | i get a "ERROR: Illegal new volume size" |
| 06:00.30 | stoned | I dont fuck with ntfsresize. |
| 06:00.36 | stoned | I do not and will not trust it |
| 06:00.45 | mordy | why not? |
| 06:00.51 | stoned | not stable. |
| 06:00.58 | stoned | despite what people might claim. |
| 06:01.06 | mordy | hey, it's not like the partition itself is very stable |
| 06:01.16 | stoned | and I speak from getting fucked in the ass like that a few times. |
| 06:01.17 | mordy | it's a recovered partition from a disk that's fucked |
| 06:01.19 | stoned | I learned my lesson |
| 06:01.39 | stoned | I warned you, rest is upto you |
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| 06:02.20 | CactusMD | stoned what's the best way to move ~122 gigs of directories from linux machine to linux machine via lan? |
| 06:02.35 | stoned | rsync? |
| 06:02.39 | Gokee2 | stoned, Hmm the cheapest ati card is $33 (Fanless AGP) I could get a nvidia card for $20 |
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| 06:02.45 | Gokee2 | (On newegg) |
| 06:02.47 | CactusMD | i'll look ingo ig |
| 06:02.51 | CactusMD | look into it |
| 06:03.07 | ribasushi | hi |
| 06:03.25 | ribasushi | the default debian kernels - is there a way to disable the annoying timestamp on printk's ? |
| 06:03.26 | stoned | Gokee2, I didn't mean brand new |
| 06:03.35 | ribasushi | some boot option or whatnot? |
| 06:04.30 | stoned | !rsync |
| 06:04.31 | dpkg | methinks rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 06:04.52 | mordy | how large should a root partition be? |
| 06:04.53 | d-b | Gokee2: or use an intel / other |
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| 06:05.00 | legis | How do you paste to iceweasel without using the mouse when you copy from terminal? ctrl+v doesn't work for me. |
| 06:05.07 | stoned | mordy, depends on whats gonna be in it |
| 06:05.13 | CactusMD | this is a stupid question but how do i find out this computers hostname? |
| 06:05.18 | stoned | mordy, if you have everything in / then sure it needs to be big enough to hold it all |
| 06:05.20 | Gokee2 | d-b, Hmm |
| 06:05.23 | ribasushi | CactusMD: how about `hostname` |
| 06:05.23 | stew | CactusMD: "hostname" |
| 06:05.30 | stoned | mordy, if you mount everything in other partitions, then you can make it smaller |
| 06:05.39 | stew | legis: ctrl-v will work, but that is posting from the clipboard and not from the selection |
| 06:05.44 | stoned | mordy, I usually make a /boot and / /tmp /home /usr |
| 06:05.56 | stoned | mordy, I keep the rest on the / partition |
| 06:06.03 | legis | stew: yeah, how do I make work from a selection? |
| 06:06.07 | mordy | yeha, i want to mount a few other parititons, i remember seeing a graph showing which dirs need to be on the same partition |
| 06:06.14 | legis | *it |
| 06:06.17 | stoned | mordy, then use guided install |
| 06:06.31 | mordy | how do i get that on debootstrap? |
| 06:06.33 | stoned | unless you're making the partitions right now, then you have to manually calculate stuff |
| 06:06.36 | stew | legis: i don't know or a way |
| 06:06.37 | stoned | mordy, its an option in the installer |
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| 06:07.17 | legis | stew: I guess I'll have to use a termina that supports copying to the clipboard, like gnome terminal. |
| 06:07.32 | stoned | legis, a minimal one is xfce4-terminal |
| 06:07.47 | stew | legis: you can use a utility like xclip or xsel which would let you move something from the selection to the clipboard or vice version from the cli |
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| 06:08.25 | stoned | legis, I use KDE's Klipper and it synchronizes the selection buffer and the clipboard |
| 06:08.26 | mordy | i see a --debian-installer option, but it says " Used for internal purposes by the debian-installer" |
| 06:08.48 | stoned | mordy, its INSIDE the installer after you start installing, partman will help you |
| 06:08.55 | stoned | !tell mordy -about ig |
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| 06:10.08 | legis | stoned: don't wanna install big apps. |
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| 06:10.37 | jabis | hmm could a segfault using unrar be caused of faulty archive? |
| 06:10.38 | stoned | I'm just throwing out ideas, grab one and use it :) |
| 06:10.49 | jabis | or faulting hard drive |
| 06:10.58 | jabis | unrar-free even |
| 06:11.37 | stoned | highly unlikely |
| 06:11.41 | stoned | but its possible |
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| 06:12.56 | legis | figures out how to use xclip. |
| 06:13.07 | legis | looks like that is what I need. |
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| 06:14.38 | infinity1 | is there a gui subversion browser for linux |
| 06:14.49 | stoned | there plenty |
| 06:15.02 | stoned | !tell infinity1 -about search |
| 06:15.06 | infinity1 | like tortoisesvn for windows |
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| 06:15.32 | infinity1 | stoned: whcih would u use |
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| 06:15.47 | stoned | http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+gui+svn+clients&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 06:15.52 | stoned | I woudln't use a gui. |
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| 06:18.53 | mordy | rapidsvn |
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| 06:19.06 | infinity1 | mordy: have you used esvn? |
| 06:19.16 | mordy | just rapidsvn |
| 06:19.39 | mordy | needed to get something once and couldn't figure out what to do with the command line,w as tired etc. and decided to just get the gui |
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| 06:20.20 | stoned | realy? |
| 06:20.23 | stoned | you can't read a manpage? |
| 06:20.24 | jooooker1 | i have a big problem by my DVB card, to tune a FRQ: |
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| 06:20.24 | jooooker1 | FE_DISEQC_SEND_MASTER_CMD failed: Connection timed out |
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| 06:21.22 | mordy | i read the manpage etc. and apparently did everything right, i think the problem was the repository itself |
| 06:21.28 | Capture | hey guys, i'm having an issue with kde 3.5.9 that is outlined by http://supremeoverlord.trideltatech.net/pub/problem.png , my desktop layer is offset where 0x0 of it is at 300x500 of my screen. how do I correct this? #kde wasn't helpful |
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| 06:22.40 | stoned | Capture, pastebin your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- Have you tried to use anything except KDE? |
| 06:22.52 | infinity1 | Capture: ack. that sux. duno |
| 06:22.55 | factor | when did testing go to debian 5.0 |
| 06:22.58 | infinity1 | i looked at your picture though :) |
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| 06:23.05 | Capture | stoned: this issue did not exist 20 mins ago, xorg.conf has not been modified in months |
| 06:23.07 | infinity1 | factor: no way |
| 06:23.23 | infinity1 | nothing on debian.org |
| 06:23.25 | Capture | i power cycled the machine, and now this |
| 06:23.33 | infinity1 | factor: you must be mistakened |
| 06:23.34 | stoned | Capture, any updated packages? |
| 06:23.41 | Capture | no |
| 06:24.00 | factor | my kde destop thiga magig said debian testing earlier updated and got all the new stuff and now it says 5.0 |
| 06:24.01 | stoned | which debian release? |
| 06:24.08 | Capture | lenny/hybrid |
| 06:24.30 | stoned | hybrid? |
| 06:24.30 | Capture | hybrid isn't the issue as it's been hybrid since install |
| 06:25.11 | factor | just thought I would jump in and ask since I was not aware of it going to 5 |
| 06:25.13 | Capture | well, it's not lenny, it's testing, as anything going into testing is my default release, i have stable and experimental set as repos as well. my default 'release' in apt.conf outlines testing is my default |
| 06:25.44 | stoned | yeh... |
| 06:25.50 | stoned | I am not touching this with a 10 foot pole./ |
| 06:25.55 | stoned | Capture, good luck. |
| 06:26.12 | mordy | lol |
| 06:26.14 | mhymn | factor: right, it's 5.0 or testing or lenny, but it's not officially released yet |
| 06:26.16 | Capture | ok, at least could you point me to the config files that may control desktop placement? |
| 06:26.33 | factor | ok |
| 06:26.34 | stoned | Capture, #kde or #debian-kde (here or oftc) |
| 06:26.49 | factor | it hadd always said testing , just thought it was 5.0 so it was offical guess not |
| 06:27.00 | stoned | lenny == debian 5.0 |
| 06:27.15 | stoned | lenny == currently testing |
| 06:27.16 | stoned | you're fine. |
| 06:27.18 | Capture | i assure you stoned, it's not a package issue, i'm only here because i have no clue how to 'google' my issue |
| 06:27.38 | infinity1 | i don't think rapidsvn is an svn browser |
| 06:27.38 | legis | stoned: I'll just got with your option and install xfc4 terminal :-) |
| 06:27.39 | stoned | Capture, I'm sorry. Perhaps someone else can assist you. |
| 06:28.42 | jabis | Capture, check out your xorg log would be the first thing in my head |
| 06:28.50 | kevin7kal | only c00l folks use linux |
| 06:29.00 | stoned | jabis, I asked him to. He doesn't want to. I'm done helping. |
| 06:29.09 | infinity1 | doh. yes it is |
| 06:29.30 | jabis | plain stupidity imho |
| 06:29.30 | stoned | infinity1, why do you need a gui specifically? |
| 06:29.40 | stoned | jabis, there is no need for that. |
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| 06:29.57 | infinity1 | i dunno. i'm not an svn expert |
| 06:30.09 | stoned | if you rely on guis, you will never become one. |
| 06:30.09 | infinity1 | i could prolly use a command line |
| 06:30.42 | jabis | stoned, which, stupidity or a comment about it? x) pardon me, I'm tired :> |
| 06:30.42 | stoned | http://www.google.com/search?q=svn+tutorial |
| 06:30.48 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 06:31.13 | stoned | jabis, no need to instigate anything and/or make someone feel small |
| 06:31.28 | LastWho | Hi, How could i play on both firefox and another application at the same time?? what i ve tried so far: 1- using ALSA instead of pulseaudion (syst -- pref -- audio); 2- installing this package: $ sudo aptitude install libflashsupport; 3- installing aoss and opening firefox in a terminal: aoss firefox (with this i can only open mp3 files but still not able to get sound from youtube videos) !!! |
| 06:31.29 | stoned | no big deal. |
| 06:31.48 | LastWho | how could i play sound*? |
| 06:31.57 | stoned | LastWho, flash issue I think, are you on amd64? |
| 06:32.04 | Guerin | LastWho: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 06:32.17 | stoned | Guerin, dmix is enabled by default |
| 06:32.28 | Guerin | dmix works for this purpose |
| 06:32.29 | LastWho | /msg dpkg dmix |
| 06:32.29 | stoned | actually from later in the sarge days |
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| 06:32.44 | stoned | Guerin, dmix is already enabled :) |
| 06:32.46 | stoned | !dmix |
| 06:32.46 | dpkg | dmix is probably an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 06:32.58 | Guerin | yeah, well, it appears to not be enabled |
| 06:33.06 | kevin7kal | LastWho: wooooow |
| 06:33.07 | stoned | hmm factoid was modified, but alsa > 0.9.1 has dmix enabled on default |
| 06:33.19 | jabis | stoned, true, but it was just my readout of the situation - sometimes I blurp these things -.- |
| 06:33.21 | cahoot | it's not a matter of flash not using alsa? |
| 06:33.42 | Guerin | don't matter is flash uses alsa's oss emulation - alsa should dmix it down |
| 06:33.58 | Guerin | (the only fail is if it's using native oss, which it never should be) |
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| 06:35.26 | kevin7kal | is feeling nostalgic |
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| 06:37.06 | DCapture | ok ok |
| 06:37.10 | DCapture | resolved my issue |
| 06:37.58 | LastWho | ok guys, i ll do some googling and brb |
| 06:38.24 | stoned | DCapture, yay! \o/ |
| 06:38.31 | DCapture | i browsed around for a bit, pressed alt+f2 for the run box, and it shows up squarely aligned with the offset desktop, this makes me think "hmmm, my attempt at making a permanent place for the run dialog is probably interfering", so I opened kcontrol and deleted the settings for kdesktop |
| 06:38.50 | stoned | DCapture, heh special window settings |
| 06:38.55 | stoned | DCapture, they can be a bitch |
| 06:39.13 | LastWho | Guerin: one question plz, do u ve an .asoundrc? |
| 06:39.16 | jabis | nice catch there |
| 06:39.26 | DCapture | so if you ever see anyone with that issue, tell him to delete his special window settings for kdesktop |
| 06:39.29 | DCapture | in kcontrol |
| 06:39.43 | stoned | DCapture, ok, thank you. |
| 06:40.02 | LastWho | Guerin: i mean do u use it to get sound on both of them? |
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| 06:41.50 | stoned | !google desktop |
| 06:41.50 | peleg | Results for desktop on Google: |
| 06:41.51 | peleg | -- |
| 06:42.01 | stoned | hm.. |
| 06:42.21 | stoned | ahh google-desktop-linux |
| 06:42.25 | stoned | cool |
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| 06:42.52 | shams | hi |
| 06:43.02 | shams | when i want to boot my machine it says: "Waiting for root file system..." |
| 06:43.11 | shams | what is your idea? how can i solve it? |
| 06:43.29 | stoned | common issue |
| 06:43.43 | shams | stoned: me? |
| 06:44.04 | adb | !Waiting for root file system. |
| 06:44.39 | stoned | !can't mount root |
| 06:44.40 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
| 06:45.29 | stoned | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 06:45.30 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
| 06:45.35 | stoned | shams, ^^ |
| 06:45.48 | shams | dpkg: i can mount and see root filesystem with a livecd |
| 06:45.49 | dpkg | shams: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 06:45.55 | mordy_ | shams, could also be an issue with your kernel |
| 06:46.03 | stoned | shams, dpkg is a bot |
| 06:46.06 | Guerin | no, it *is* an issue with the kernel |
| 06:46.07 | Guerin | nothing else |
| 06:46.30 | stoned | Guerin, propose a solution. |
| 06:46.38 | mordy_ | get a new kernel |
| 06:46.44 | stoned | O fountain of all knowledge! |
| 06:46.45 | shams | stoned: i can mount and see root filesystem with a livecd. so waht is your suggest? what is problem? |
| 06:46.50 | Guerin | what mordy_ said |
| 06:47.12 | adb | or a older kernel |
| 06:47.50 | adb | or newer release |
| 06:48.03 | kevin7kal | dpkg: hi |
| 06:48.03 | dpkg | moin moin, kevin7kal |
| 06:48.13 | mordy_ | lol |
| 06:48.19 | adb | !lol |
| 06:48.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:48.23 | mordy_ | gah |
| 06:48.38 | shams | stoned: after booting with a livecd how can i found /dev/hd? is for my root partition? |
| 06:48.45 | mordy_ | i've been loling for 12 years and i'm not going to change it! |
| 06:48.48 | kevin7kal | dpkg: what's moin moin |
| 06:48.49 | dpkg | kevin7kal: are you using Windows? |
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| 06:48.54 | jabis | or check the boot setup root=/dev/(h|s)d... |
| 06:49.08 | kevin7kal | dpkg: windows |
| 06:49.09 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 06:49.32 | stoned | shams, you've been told already |
| 06:49.54 | stoned | brb |
| 06:49.58 | adb | kevin7kal: moin moin is morning ^2 in old german language |
| 06:50.27 | adb | or dialects |
| 06:50.44 | mordy_ | but don't but 'dev/[s|h]d? in your menu.lst |
| 06:51.54 | kevin7kal | adb: or a pythong based wiki ;-) (and I didn't mispell pythong) |
| 06:52.33 | adb | shams: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 06:52.55 | adb | will tell you your devices |
| 06:53.06 | adb | maps |
| 06:53.49 | adb | kevin7kal: heg |
| 06:53.53 | adb | heh* |
| 06:54.04 | stoned | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:54.06 | stoned | py thong |
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| 06:54.35 | stoned | sorry, I'm high as balls. |
| 06:54.52 | adb | stop this noise |
| 06:55.05 | kevin7kal | stoned: we forgive you |
| 06:55.15 | mordy_ | balls shouldn't be very high |
| 06:55.26 | stoned | man I got every single kmfdm cd uptil now |
| 06:55.28 | kevin7kal | stoned: but, it's not like we weren't guessing |
| 06:55.39 | stoned | I been on a kmfdm marathon lately :D i love it |
| 06:55.48 | stoned | friday night or saturday morning? |
| 06:55.52 | stoned | where you guys are in the world? |
| 06:55.53 | shams | adb: thank you |
| 06:56.05 | adb | np |
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| 06:56.34 | kevin7kal | Hoxzer: noooooooo, don't do it, noooooooooooo |
| 06:56.38 | mordy_ | in various 'undisclosed locations' for 'security' purposes |
| 06:57.54 | kevin7kal | I figure irc is the most see-curely way |
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| 06:58.50 | mordy_ | meh ssh me - see what i've got... i'm just too lazy to tinker with my router which seems to break at any little change |
| 06:59.28 | d-b | is it a good idea to automatically upgrade a debian server ? |
| 06:59.35 | mordy_ | although the ip in xchat is really just a proxy for my undisclosed location |
| 06:59.40 | adb | NO |
| 06:59.41 | kevin7kal | chhhaaaa-shaaaaaa chhaaaa-shaaaaa I'm somebody's father |
| 06:59.49 | d-b | adb: mmm. if its not in production ? |
| 06:59.53 | adb | d-b^^ |
| 06:59.53 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.04 | kevin7kal | timing is everything |
| 07:00.33 | mhymn | kevin7kal: mordy_: you guys feel offtopic? well, there are channels for that purpose |
| 07:00.39 | adb | d-b: IS still A Server |
| 07:01.05 | d-b | ok. |
| 07:01.20 | d-b | and i have to trust the security of a system for 3 weaks without an update ? |
| 07:01.23 | d-b | weeks* |
| 07:01.51 | adb | which release ? |
| 07:02.09 | d-b | lenny |
| 07:02.33 | S` | can anyone tell me how to remove squid proxy server from my machine? |
| 07:02.50 | d-b | apt-get --purge remove squid |
| 07:02.55 | stew | S`: aptitude remove squid-common |
| 07:03.04 | S` | hmm |
| 07:03.07 | S` | so which one of those? |
| 07:03.08 | adb | d-b: lenny may change security each day |
| 07:03.09 | S` | hehe |
| 07:03.10 | S` | sry:) |
| 07:03.26 | kevin7kal | get a big bat and hit the squid with it |
| 07:03.42 | d-b | adb: i can't upgrade the kernel -> and i note that openssh hasn't had a problem in a bit |
| 07:03.45 | S` | noo i will cook the quid instead |
| 07:03.52 | stew | S`: "aptitude remove squid-common" ; if you want to also remove all of the squid configuration, "aptitude purge squid-common" |
| 07:03.56 | kevin7kal | or listen to everyone else above with their apt-this and apt-that :-) |
| 07:04.23 | S` | ok i will type aptitude remove squid-common then |
| 07:04.27 | kevin7kal | S': yo |
| 07:04.35 | kevin7kal | hmmmm |
| 07:04.56 | kevin7kal | no |
| 07:05.02 | kevin7kal | aptitude purge |
| 07:05.03 | adb | d-b: what's exactly your point ? |
| 07:06.33 | d-b | forget it - i will have it not update i guess |
| 07:06.49 | kevin7kal | S`: then make sure that the squid logs are gone... |
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| 07:14.10 | nullboy | want to see the dirtiest script ever to allow warm swapping of SATA media bay drives? |
| 07:14.19 | nullboy | http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/7432 |
| 07:14.36 | nullboy | it's shake 'n bake, and i helped! |
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| 07:24.28 | shams | how can i reinstall kernel through apt-get |
| 07:24.29 | shams | ? |
| 07:25.10 | stoned | shams, man apt-get /reinstall |
| 07:25.32 | adb | use aptitude ? |
| 07:26.12 | shams | !debian |
| 07:26.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 07:26.19 | adb | !tell shams about aptitude |
| 07:27.50 | shams | !waiting for root file system |
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| 07:28.25 | shams | ! waiting for root file system |
| 07:28.40 | simonrvn | !tell shams -about msg the bot |
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| 07:33.54 | shams | i get this error while debian wants boot. according to dpkg bot help, i rename hda* to sda* in fstab and menu.lst and... but after this change i get this error again. help me if possible. |
| 07:34.06 | shams | waiting for root file system |
| 07:34.15 | shams | this error ^ |
| 07:34.47 | simonrvn | could also be that you need to rebuild the initrd |
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| 07:35.42 | shams | simonrvn: how? |
| 07:38.46 | hifi | audacious on debian unstable, anyone? after some updates it refuses to play anything without errors |
| 07:39.14 | hifi | without errors I mean it doesn't show any errors, just not playing |
| 07:40.31 | Guerin | hifi: bts |
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| 07:40.49 | simonrvn | man update-initramfs |
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| 07:46.23 | MariachiAC | hello. What do i need to build modules against my kernel? |
| 07:48.23 | cahoot | !m-a |
| 07:48.23 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
| 07:49.05 | shams | i get this error "waiting for root file system" while debian wants boot. according to dpkg bot help, i rename hda* to sda* in fstab and menu.lst and... but after this change i get this error again. help me if possible. |
| 07:50.25 | hifi | Guerin: ah, thanks, found my answer there |
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| 07:54.58 | epsilon | shams: you have to point what the disk is actaullay labeled and not what a bot tells you |
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| 07:55.49 | epsilon | run fdisk -l (from boot-CD if you can't) and add the correct devinve in your bootloader and fstab |
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| 07:58.14 | kantor | hi |
| 07:58.27 | ZitZ | hi |
| 07:58.48 | kantor | is there an option for dpkg to list only the automatically installed packages ? |
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| 07:59.31 | ZitZ | i'm not sure, i thought that was more of apt-get's department |
| 07:59.47 | kantor | the with apt-get .. . |
| 08:00.29 | epsilon | what you mean by "automatically installed"? |
| 08:00.52 | kantor | packages marked with auto |
| 08:01.17 | epsilon | dpkg only has a list of installed/purged |
| 08:01.17 | dpkg | epsilon: i haven't a clue |
| 08:02.04 | epsilon | you mean dependecy? |
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| 08:03.13 | ZitZ | when you use apt-get it tells you about packages that were installed automatically that are no longer required, i.e. orphaned dependencies, so it is keeping track of this somewhere, but I don't know if it can do what he is asking |
| 08:04.07 | ZitZ | But what I just thought of is a program called deborphaner, which will scan your system for dependencies that are no longer required |
| 08:05.52 | kantor | I understand |
| 08:06.18 | ZitZ | Yeah, I hope that is what you're going for |
| 08:07.20 | ZitZ | Actually, my mistake, the program is called deborphan, not deborphaner, it is installed by apt-get deborphan |
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| 08:16.24 | ZitZ | let me ask this question, i got a new Western Digital Passport External Hard Drive yesterday, i was sitting down, my brother was looking at it, and he dropped it from about 3 feet onto the wood floor, it was off at the time, i turned it on and it still works flawlessly, my question is, is there any damage that could have been caused that will affect the life of this hard drive? |
| 08:18.43 | xoz_ | ZitZ: try smartctl |
| 08:19.36 | xingu | ZitZ: I'd be very, very surprised if there were |
| 08:19.44 | xingu | ZitZ: power off == heads parked |
| 08:20.49 | ZitZ | yeah, that's what I'm thinking, those things need to be pretty durable, so if smart test does give any errors, i think i can be reasonably sure there is no damage |
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| 08:25.16 | Haris_ | Hello people |
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| 08:25.38 | Haris_ | If I have amavis-new 1:2.5.2-2 on lenny/sid, do I need to upgrade to 1:2.6.1.dfsg-1 ? |
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| 08:29.33 | shams | epsilon: i must chroot, then run fdisk -l ? |
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| 08:32.17 | shams | epsilon: in fdisk -l output i see that device names are sda* |
| 08:32.20 | shams | epsilon: so? |
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| 08:36.47 | epsilon | so you add sda in you boot and fstab |
| 08:38.04 | epsilon | but wait, if you get "can't find root fs" error you have already bootet successfully... so just your fstab |
| 08:38.45 | epsilon | (or forgot to tell the bootloader where the / is?) |
| 08:40.14 | Fenor | Hi guys, I have difficulties to know how to close X-Session manager port on my server, someone can help me ? |
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| 08:40.42 | Fenor | I run it with xfce desktop / nomachine |
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| 08:52.27 | SuperPhly | What happens if I install apache after i've installed lighttpd? |
| 08:52.43 | SuperPhly | as in, lighttpd is running and is configured |
| 08:54.00 | _KaszpiR_ | SuperPhly it probably wont start complaining that port 80 is in use |
| 08:54.09 | _KaszpiR_ | i did like that once |
| 08:54.21 | _KaszpiR_ | i had lighttpd and then installed apache |
| 08:54.45 | _KaszpiR_ | just change port or disable lighttpd from automatic startup |
| 08:55.04 | _KaszpiR_ | or you can unninstall it - configs will stay |
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| 09:02.39 | SuperPhly | is there any way to get htpasswd installed stand-alone? |
| 09:02.51 | SuperPhly | i guess just install apache2, and disable the init script |
| 09:02.55 | SuperPhly | same diff right? |
| 09:05.03 | dondelelcaro | SuperPhly: install one of the apache2.2-common; or apache2-common; scripts |
| 09:05.05 | epsilon | download & unpack the package manually, if you only need one file |
| 09:05.12 | dondelelcaro | s/scripts/packages/ |
| 09:05.32 | dondelelcaro | err, apache2-utils, rather |
| 09:06.09 | dondelelcaro | (since that has htpasswd, htdbm, htdigest, and all of the other things that you'd probably want, without the server) |
| 09:06.10 | SuperPhly | sweet, perfect. |
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| 09:14.51 | dondelelcaro | (though I should note that you shouldn't expect -utils to always contain those binaries, it does currently) |
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| 09:38.22 | LoveGuru | !webmin |
| 09:38.23 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 09:48.32 | code_ | please help ! i am looking for realtek 3945ABG wifi driver. It is for mivvy m310 and their page does not have it anymore |
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| 09:48.47 | nullboy | 3945ABG is intel.... |
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| 09:49.22 | code_ | nullboy: really ? oh ... |
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| 09:49.24 | coregrl | hi |
| 09:49.51 | codingrobot | code_: the newer kernels have the driver included |
| 09:50.03 | coregrl | I've to transfer 25 Gb of maildir folders through the LAN, what's the best way to do that? |
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| 09:50.28 | codingrobot | coregrl: tar and netcat |
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| 09:50.44 | codingrobot | or scp if you want security |
| 09:51.52 | coregrl | ok I begin with tar :) |
| 09:51.55 | code_ | codingrobot: i just bought it with ubuntu installed and looking into it. wifi is showing up in lspci, but not in ifconfig. should i look for extra driver or another kernel ? |
| 09:52.13 | codingrobot | code_: it should work out of the box |
| 09:52.18 | codingrobot | try ifconfig -a |
| 09:52.43 | code_ | codingrobot: just lo and eth0 |
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| 09:53.18 | codingrobot | try modprobe iwl3945 |
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| 09:55.21 | code_ | codingrobot: modprobed ok |
| 09:56.07 | code_ | now it should appear in ifconfig, but does not. |
| 09:56.56 | codingrobot | check dmesg |
| 09:57.05 | enzotib | code_, in lenny for wlan0 to work i have installed firmware-iwlwifi from non-free repo |
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| 09:59.30 | xisle | when I install a new kernel, menu.lst isn't automagically updated. why might that be? |
| 10:01.01 | zinx | xisle: are you using make-kpkg then installing the .deb it makes? |
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| 10:01.15 | zinx | xisle: or just installing a stock kernel :x |
| 10:01.34 | xisle | zinx: just a stock kernel. nothing particularly unusual |
| 10:01.39 | zinx | hmm |
| 10:01.43 | zinx | xisle: which release? |
| 10:02.16 | zinx | xisle: edit kernel-img.conf, add postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub and postrm_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 10:02.19 | zinx | xisle: maybe that'll fix it |
| 10:02.23 | xisle | zinx: lenny |
| 10:02.51 | xisle | zinx: okay, thanks i'll try that |
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| 10:09.26 | renton_ | i installed "network-manager" on lenny, because i wanted to setup a VPN connction to a windows network, but i don't see the network manager icon on top right corner, any idea? thanks |
| 10:11.29 | xisle | zinx: thanks, menu.lst is now automagically updating. those lines weren't in the kernel-img.conf file before |
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| 10:38.30 | dutchfish | on http://wiki.debian.org/debian/patches there was some hints about making it more easely to use the git for building kernels with debian patches. Is this realized? Where can i find out more? |
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| 10:45.11 | rdz | hi all. is it possible to turn wireless on and off throufh some /sys/* switch? if so, how can i find it? |
| 10:45.46 | dutchfish | rdz, why not use ifupdown for this? |
| 10:45.53 | xingu | rdz: take a look for a file called rfkill |
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| 10:46.41 | dutchfish | rdz, forget mine, i misread |
| 10:47.11 | xingu | rdz: actually if you put the device into s3 it'll probably switch off the radio too |
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| 10:50.38 | xingu | s/file/dir/ |
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| 10:56.56 | rdz | xingu, many thank... don't know why anymore, but i was assuming, that i have to write '2' to rf_kill in order to turn the device off. it works now with '1' |
| 10:57.55 | rdz | after switching it on again, the device wouldn't see any networks.. i had to reboot.. |
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| 11:00.46 | dutchfish | rdz, does bringing the interface down then rfkill it and up again work? |
| 11:00.50 | xingu | rdz: 0 for killed, 1 for on |
| 11:01.37 | rdz | xingu, here it is the other way around |
| 11:01.42 | xingu | rdz: if you're using wpa, "wpa_cli reassociate" is useful to know about too. |
| 11:01.53 | rdz | xingu, ah thanks.. |
| 11:01.56 | rdz | i'll try that |
| 11:01.57 | hoxu | I have a HP Pavilion DV6191 laptop that does not boot until it has warmed up (a couple of minutes in grub menu does it), any suggestions for kernel parameters? :P |
| 11:02.04 | rdz | dutchfish, i will try that as well |
| 11:02.22 | xingu | rdz: driver must not be using the unified rfkill then (and have its own private implementation) |
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| 11:03.10 | dutchfish | hoxu, what do you mean by warm up? |
| 11:03.33 | xingu | also "does not boot up" would be useful to know about too :) |
| 11:03.50 | hoxu | dutchfish, the literal meaning. I need to have it wait in the grub menu for 5-15 minutes - or just try booting until it succeeds |
| 11:04.06 | hoxu | does not boot up as in resets or freezes with different last kernel message :) |
| 11:05.04 | dutchfish | hoxu, i have issues on simular system like those: [ 3.974147] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 11:05.38 | hoxu | no clue about that one |
| 11:05.51 | dutchfish | hoxu, however when i use 2.6.27.10 it boots instantly |
| 11:06.12 | hoxu | I think this is mildly amusing behaviour from a laptop, I figured I'd share it in case anyone else is having similar experiences :) |
| 11:06.16 | dutchfish | hoxu, the warning remains |
| 11:06.30 | dutchfish | hoxu, yes |
| 11:06.52 | hoxu | dutchfish, interesting... I've been wondering whether this is a hardware or kernel issue, as I recall, I didn't have this until after I had used the laptop for quite some time |
| 11:07.03 | hoxu | I'll try 2.6.27.10 and see if it helps, thanks for the tip |
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| 11:07.26 | dutchfish | hoxu, i am on amd64 version of debian with latest lenny and kvm |
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| 11:09.11 | xingu | hoxu: does it complete the boot if you have it on AC ? |
| 11:09.17 | xingu | hoxu: ie, from coldstart |
| 11:09.39 | hoxu | dutchfish, DEB_HOST_ARCH=i386 + etch + some backports + 2.6.26.3 here |
| 11:10.22 | hoxu | xingu, without the battery? I don't think it helps |
| 11:10.38 | xingu | hoxu: just on mains power |
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| 11:10.44 | dutchfish | xingu, hoxu i found a mind boggling thingy about default rehybernate device (normally swap space) not set in curent lenny stock kernel ... dont know if this can be related |
| 11:10.45 | xingu | hoxu: even with battery fitted. |
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| 11:11.10 | hoxu | xingu, I don't think either way makes a difference I'm afraid |
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| 11:11.40 | hoxu | if I shut it down now, and then turn it on immediately and boot right away, I think it'll boot without issues :) |
| 11:12.12 | dutchfish | hoxu, do you have more then 1 swap partitions? |
| 11:12.36 | xingu | hmm, tl-56 cpu eh |
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| 11:13.55 | xingu | hoxu: does the cpu fan speed change (should be audible) between the from-cold fail case and the left-at-grub-a-few-minutes pass case? |
| 11:14.51 | xingu | the thinking being that the notebook is managing the cpu fan via acpi in smm right up until linux starts and then it *sticks* at whatever it was at that time. |
| 11:15.18 | xingu | so if the cpu is warmed up while the bios still has control the fan speed is set appropriately |
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| 11:16.54 | xingu | tl-56 is a notoriously hot part - 33W TDP says wikipedia |
| 11:18.01 | xingu | (all the cpu's from that generation are pretty toasty warm, even the equivalent c2d's) |
| 11:19.58 | xingu | speaking of which, I wonder what it would cost to bump my notebook out to the fattest supported spec these days |
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| 11:20.34 | hoxu | xingu, now that you mention it, yes, I can imagine it could have something to do with the fan speed change |
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| 11:21.22 | xingu | hoxu: you probably have powernow or whatever, right? maybe try loading this earlier in the piece in the initrd |
| 11:21.24 | dutchfish | hoxu, mm... and have a look at this: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.27.y.git;a=commit;h=f88133d76ea38761b7379d6233b752ed82250a4a |
| 11:21.42 | xingu | hoxu: ie try slipping it into /etc/modules and rebuilding your initrd |
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| 11:22.07 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:22.24 | LordCrimson | Hello. Did someone install debian on HP Proliant ML150G5? |
| 11:22.32 | xingu | hoxu: ... and keep an eye on the boot sequence to positively determine that you can repro a fail case _after_ the powernow/whatever module has loaded. |
| 11:22.33 | AlexC_ | is there a way I can add a directory to a 'global' PATH? So I don't have to go around all users .bashrc files and add it in manually |
| 11:22.57 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, not exactly but ML300 |
| 11:23.10 | hoxu | xingu, dutchfish: thanks, kernel compile time soon :) |
| 11:23.16 | Alam_Debian | AlexC_, /etc/environment |
| 11:23.42 | AlexC_ | Alam_Debian, awesome. Blank currently, I take it I just do $PATH=/foo ? |
| 11:23.54 | Alam_Debian | I do not think so |
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| 11:24.32 | AlexC_ | Alam_Debian, how should it be done? |
| 11:24.39 | Alam_Debian | my environment have PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games" |
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| 11:24.47 | AlexC_ | ok |
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| 11:26.41 | AlexC_ | hum, that has not done anything |
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| 11:31.19 | axmaq_gede | hi, can i ask offtopic questions? plz :D |
| 11:31.31 | Alam_Debian | AlexC_, did you start a new bash/login or restart the system? |
| 11:31.41 | AlexC_ | Alam_Debian, yes |
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| 11:33.08 | AlexC_ | Alam_Debian, ah, wait. I assume users .bashrc files have to include this /etc/environment file? |
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| 11:34.36 | Alam_Debian | no... |
| 11:34.40 | Alam_Debian | I do not think so |
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| 11:36.19 | xingu | crikey, only £40 shipping inc to fatten the old notebook up to 3GiB dram (chipset bug - 4GiB physical, 3GiB usable) |
| 11:36.29 | xingu | that's almost beer money |
| 11:36.46 | dutchfish | :) |
| 11:37.45 | dutchfish | wonders of so much ram consumes so much power ... |
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| 11:38.02 | xingu | t7600's looking a bit less like value for money unless I go the fleabay route |
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| 11:45.52 | ABin | å |
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| 11:47.21 | LordCrimson | dutchfish: On ML150 I have the problem. There is broadcom nic, it works fine (with 2.24 kernel), but is detected in lspci as uhm.. unknown device. |
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| 11:48.29 | renton_ | does "ntfs" ignore "rw" on debian lenny? is it always ro? |
| 11:48.50 | RichiH | what ntfs driver are you using? |
| 11:48.58 | renton_ | ntfs |
| 11:49.01 | RichiH | ntfs-3g allows you to write |
| 11:49.12 | renton_ | is it available on lenny? |
| 11:49.34 | RichiH | i think yes |
| 11:49.45 | RichiH | !find ntfs-3g lenny |
| 11:49.47 | renton_ | yes i found it |
| 11:49.51 | renton_ | tnx |
| 11:49.54 | RichiH | np |
| 11:50.27 | LordCrimson | dutchfish: 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation Unknown device 165a |
| 11:50.55 | LordCrimson | but "it works" |
| 11:50.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ntfs-3g' (3): (/usr/lib/{libntfs-3g.so.31|libntfs-3g.so.31.0.0}) in libs/libntfs-3g31 ;; (/sbin/mount.ntfs-3g, /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g, /usr/bin/{ntfs-3g|ntfs-3g.probe}) in otherosfs/ntfs-3g ;; (/usr/lib/libntfs-3g.so, /usr/share/doc/libntfs-3g-dev, /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libntfs-3g.pc) in libdevel/libntfs-3g-dev. |
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| 12:01.41 | Kissaki | should I go for postfix or exim4? I want to redirect mails to domain mail adresses and send mails from my websites. |
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| 12:05.02 | negge | hi guys |
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| 12:05.24 | Kissaki | hi |
| 12:05.57 | negge | I have an old drive with Debian installed and I want to use the disk as storage only, is it okay to just delete all files in / on that drive? |
| 12:06.44 | hoxu | negge, you have an OS installed on another disk, and now want to add that old disk to the machine? |
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| 12:07.32 | negge | hoxu: basically yes, the reason why I don't just fire up Gparted and re-format the disc is I have about 40 GB of music on it that I still need but I don't have enough free space on any drives to temporarily move it |
| 12:07.33 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, did you try with etch or lenny? |
| 12:08.33 | hoxu | negge, well, the only trouble I can think of is the bootloader on that old disk's MBR |
| 12:08.51 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, the only issue i had (i used lenny) was with ELO |
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| 12:08.56 | hoxu | negge, of course, if you use LABEL= lines in fstab to mount the partitions, that could be another problem :p |
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| 12:09.06 | LordCrimson | dutchfish: that is etch 4.0r5 |
| 12:09.16 | negge | hoxu: no I'm using the old /dev/sdxx |
| 12:09.33 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, you might want to use lenny, or install etch with a kernel from bpo |
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| 12:09.50 | negge | and the computer automatically boots to the new root drive anyway so I don't think leaving GRUB on the other disc will be a problem |
| 12:09.56 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, 4.0r6 was out? |
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| 12:11.02 | hoxu | negge, I can't think of any issues then |
| 12:11.15 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081218 |
| 12:11.57 | negge | hoxu: alright thanks for your advice |
| 12:12.04 | LordCrimson | dutchfis: thanks |
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| 12:12.45 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, there where a few grace issues with you card (kernel) should be solve din kernel > 2.6.25 |
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| 12:15.01 | ChrisW | hi all, any idea why copying 200G of data from one hard disk to a usb hard disk on my debian box would take *days*?! |
| 12:15.10 | ChrisW | (it's been going for about 4 days now :-S) |
| 12:15.24 | ChrisW | I know 200GB is a lot, but really? |
| 12:15.59 | zinx | USB 1.10? |
| 12:16.43 | ChrisW | how would I check? |
| 12:17.07 | ChrisW | (the drive is usb 2.0 / sata, and the motehrboard usb *should* be too..) |
| 12:17.09 | zinx | what 'speed' does it say it is in dmesg? |
| 12:17.24 | zinx | low/full/high |
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| 12:17.41 | maligor | usb 2.0 can be misleading |
| 12:18.00 | maligor | the spec actually allows you to have a usb 2.0 full speed device I think |
| 12:18.06 | zinx | it does |
| 12:18.12 | zinx | which is pretty much USB 1.10 |
| 12:18.25 | LordCrimson | dutchfish: don't you know, if 2.6.27 is stable, as it is shown on kernel.org? |
| 12:18.28 | negge | USB 2.0 doesn't always mean it's fast, I've seen speeds of only a few MB/s at most |
| 12:18.39 | negge | but 4 days is really bad |
| 12:18.40 | ChrisW | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/96129/ |
| 12:18.40 | maligor | 'at most'? |
| 12:18.48 | zinx | USB 2.0 tops out at around 20MB/s on most drives anyway |
| 12:19.00 | zinx | assuming high speed |
| 12:19.03 | maligor | zinx, 30MB/s rather |
| 12:19.03 | negge | maligor: I think I meant "at best" |
| 12:19.10 | zinx | maligor: i've seen 20MB/s :x |
| 12:19.37 | maligor | depends on the mb usb chipset too |
| 12:19.42 | zinx | but even at that speed it shouldn't take as long as he's seeing |
| 12:19.45 | maligor | intel has the fastest iirc |
| 12:19.52 | ChrisW | zinx: that's the dmesg output, what does it say to you? |
| 12:19.59 | maligor | 20MB/s is typical I think |
| 12:20.09 | zinx | says it should be faster |
| 12:20.17 | zinx | how are you copying the data? |
| 12:20.26 | negge | maybe something's wrong with the cable itself |
| 12:20.29 | zinx | and is it a bunch of files, or a few large ones? |
| 12:21.01 | maligor | ChrisW, you might want to check dmesg that it isn't spewing out I/O errors |
| 12:21.39 | hoxu | ChrisW, what application are you using to copy the files? |
| 12:21.40 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, it is, but it means you need backport or vanilla, if this is going to be a production system, you stick to lenny, it will go stable soon |
| 12:22.00 | ChrisW | maligor: it isn't, i checked ;-) |
| 12:22.06 | ChrisW | hoxu: cp |
| 12:22.32 | ChrisW | zinx: it's a big tree of *lots* of files |
| 12:22.47 | maligor | ChrisW, what filesystem is it on the target? |
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| 12:23.01 | dutchfish | LordCrimson, need to run. ill be be back later |
| 12:23.11 | ChrisW | (the usb disk is my backup disk, every so often I forget to remount it after updates require a reboot, so I end up writingh backusp to the system disk, I think ened to copy them to the usb) |
| 12:23.14 | maligor | albeit I don't think even ntfs-3g gives quite that much overhead |
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| 12:23.24 | ChrisW | both fs are ext3 |
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| 12:25.15 | zinx | small files take more time to copy than large ones, byte for byte, especially if you have a ton of them :/ |
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| 12:25.55 | hoxu | ChrisW, maybe you should use rsync for updating the backup? |
| 12:25.57 | ChrisW | well, theyr'e backups, so it's just "normal files" |
| 12:26.12 | ChrisW | hoxu: why? none of the files are on the target |
| 12:26.32 | ChrisW | (read earlier line about cockup on my part requiring backups to be moved to the disk they're supposed to be on :_S) |
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| 12:27.33 | hoxu | well, it doesn't indeed help for the initial copy :p |
| 12:28.06 | negge | ChrisW: if you're taking backups you should consider using something other than cp to copy the files, something that only copies changed files, that way you won't have to transfer nearly as much |
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| 12:32.24 | natsukao | hello |
| 12:33.14 | ChrisW | @negge, even though he left: I'm using rsync-over-ssh for the backups, but this isn't the backup, this is me fixing the result of the usb disk not being mounted when the backup ran :-P |
| 12:33.32 | natsukao | it's rue that Deb-Ian GNU/linux decided to use the AGPL ? |
| 12:33.42 | natsukao | true |
| 12:33.53 | abrotman | natsukao: use it for what? |
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| 12:34.04 | natsukao | for software |
| 12:34.10 | zinx | what software? |
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| 12:34.19 | jetscreamer | which |
| 12:34.26 | abrotman | natsukao: we don't relicense software .. i'm sure some piece of software in debian uses agpl |
| 12:34.34 | natsukao | for not free software |
| 12:34.53 | abrotman | we still can't relicense it |
| 12:34.58 | jetscreamer | non-free doesn't use gpl eh.. ? |
| 12:35.08 | natsukao | i readed on http://www.oneopensource.it/ |
| 12:35.12 | ChrisW | and the shocks just keep coming ;-) |
| 12:35.34 | joltcan | 3 |
| 12:36.06 | kiwi_ | hi. i just installed ubuntu here, but i have big difficulties.probably it will take hours to solve these. anyway, let me start with the first one. how do i activate bluetooth in ubuntu ... |
| 12:36.14 | kiwi_ | ? |
| 12:36.29 | ChrisW | kiwi_: are you trolling or just stupid? |
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| 12:36.37 | ChrisW | this look like #ubuntu to you? |
| 12:36.42 | kiwi_ | ubuntu is really cool and i heard you guys will help me |
| 12:36.54 | jetscreamer | kiwi_: who lied to you? |
| 12:37.04 | ChrisW | kicks kiwi_ into #ubuntu |
| 12:37.07 | jetscreamer | they did if you're not a troll |
| 12:37.11 | abrotman | natsukao: did you read the link? it just says that the ftpmasters bevelive that the agpl is suitable for distribution in main |
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| 12:37.22 | jetscreamer | /join #ubuntu |
| 12:37.32 | kiwi_ | ;-), sorry for the trolling. couldnt resist. just installed ubuntu on my eepc and checkin xchat out. |
| 12:37.32 | natsukao | yes |
| 12:37.34 | jetscreamer | thinks troll though |
| 12:37.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 12:38.08 | zinx | kiwi_: does it boot up so fast it's booted before you even turn it on? |
| 12:38.11 | jetscreamer | sorry you are using the crippled version of debian, kiwi_ |
| 12:38.15 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 12:38.24 | kiwi_ | usually i stick to debian but in this particular case i tried eeebuntu. sorry, folks. :-) |
| 12:38.30 | abrotman | natsukao: so what about it ? |
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| 12:39.02 | abrotman | natsukao: Joerg explains their opionions pretty well it seems to me |
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| 12:39.11 | natsukao | because i am interested to know ho has got reason |
| 12:39.32 | abrotman | natsukao: the email says exactly why |
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| 12:39.36 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/11/msg00097.html |
| 12:40.15 | natsukao | the opensource does not left any url to read in english |
| 12:40.23 | jetscreamer | anybody remember me complaining about how when i have multiple ide controllers in my box the device order changes after installation? why did they bring this bug back? |
| 12:40.38 | abrotman | natsukao: i just gave you the link to read .. and it's in english |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: udev ? |
| 12:41.34 | jetscreamer | it's since they went back to /dev/hdx instead of sdx |
| 12:41.38 | jetscreamer | i believe |
| 12:41.43 | kiwi_ | ok, bye, debian rules, anyway. |
| 12:41.57 | jetscreamer | i took the extra controller out so no biggie |
| 12:42.24 | hoxu | abrotman, thanks for the AGPL link, interesting read |
| 12:42.32 | jetscreamer | you would think they would fix it though |
| 12:42.47 | jetscreamer | it's even listed in the lenny install errata |
| 12:43.10 | natsukao | i am italian and i want to have real informations, not informations just translated and interpreted as they want |
| 12:43.15 | abrotman | hoxu: ask me after i've got my eyeballs in and can actually read it .. though i think i read it before |
| 12:43.36 | natsukao | thank you |
| 12:43.39 | abrotman | natsukao: i'm confused .. is that email not good enough ? |
| 12:43.58 | natsukao | your yes |
| 12:44.46 | natsukao | but i am not interested to interpreted informations in italian language |
| 12:45.16 | abrotman | waits for jetscreamer to translate |
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| 12:48.18 | LordCrimson | Gentelment, here comes question. Is there actual need for creating kernel apt repositories for distinct server model (in my case HP ML150G5)? |
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| 12:49.27 | xingu | LordCrimson: highly doubtful unless it's a true microarch all of its own (like doudou's geode/mediagx abomination, the netvista n2200) |
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| 12:50.43 | natsukao | what do you think about: "We do not think that this is a severe enough problem to restrict the freeness of a work licensed using the AGPL" |
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| 12:52.22 | LordCrimson | xingu: hmm... And one more then: is there actual win, when I will build all _needed_ hw drivers into kernel, or it is the urban legend? |
| 12:52.23 | abrotman | xingu: that should work with -486 AUIU |
| 12:52.28 | abrotman | erm .. AIUI |
| 12:52.43 | jetscreamer | i think he doubts the accuracy of the translations? |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | LordCrimson: are you going to disable module support for security reasons ? |
| 12:52.56 | xingu | abrotman: the challenge in that case is the bootloader |
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| 12:53.08 | jetscreamer | i doubt the accuracy of 'my' 'translation' also ... :) |
| 12:53.13 | abrotman | xingu: icky ... but okay |
| 12:53.35 | jetscreamer | LordCrimson: you wouldn't need initrd |
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| 12:54.10 | xingu | abrotman: ie, it isn't a pc bios bootloader - it boots abused elf images directly, and it speaks an old version of linux boot protocol badly |
| 12:54.12 | natsukao | i think that could be a problem, if not used very well, we risk to find not free drivers in our own kernel |
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| 12:54.34 | jetscreamer | natsukao: not if you build it yourself |
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| 12:54.52 | abrotman | xingu: sounds like a royal PoS |
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| 12:55.20 | natsukao | and the free software foundation is doing a good job until we have not anymore untrusted hardware |
| 12:55.33 | jetscreamer | doesn't go there |
| 12:55.34 | xingu | LordCrimson: mostly urban legend; the most expensive thing these days is tlb shootdowns and cache misses - and not - segment loads |
| 12:55.59 | natsukao | have you seen last laptop 8.9 inches http://lemote.com |
| 12:55.59 | jetscreamer | gah... dawn. |
| 12:56.01 | xingu | LordCrimson: basically, the performance cost of module entry/exit would be lost in the noise on any moderately new cpu |
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| 12:56.13 | natsukao | is totally free |
| 12:56.21 | LordCrimson | abrotman: Disabling module support for security reasons? Seems to be paranoic, where I can read about that? |
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| 12:56.30 | xingu | LordCrimson: for multi-package systems (I think yours is one, seems to be 2-way xeon) cache coherency is another biggy. |
| 12:56.45 | jetscreamer | natsukao: you and montoya should get together |
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| 12:57.06 | abrotman | LordCrimson: i'm sure google has something somewhere |
| 12:57.17 | natsukao | whois montoya ? |
| 12:57.21 | abrotman | who are you? |
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| 12:57.45 | jetscreamer | montoya (n=montoya@host151-130-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:57.48 | natsukao | hello p0g0 |
| 12:57.56 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 12:57.56 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:58.07 | p0g0 | hi natsukao |
| 12:58.40 | natsukao | you all fine ? |
| 12:58.49 | sylarrr | Which image can get me dd for hds? |
| 12:59.10 | xingu | LordCrimson: however, the correct answer to these questions is - measure it, don't join cargo cults; oprofile is probably the tool for the job. |
| 12:59.18 | jetscreamer | sylarrr: you'll need to refine that question i believe |
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| 13:00.05 | sylarrr | jetscreamer, I have p5k-pro mobo |
| 13:00.06 | LordCrimson | xingu, abrotman, jetscreamer: great thanks, going to work a bit. |
| 13:00.25 | sylarrr | I need some minimal live usb |
| 13:00.35 | abrotman | LordCrimson: unless you have very valid reasons .. the debian kernel would probably work just fine for you |
| 13:00.35 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 13:00.36 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net, or http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 13:00.37 | natsukao | i am sorry to communicate to you dpkg that in #debian-it there is not the same interest, they use the # only as a joke |
| 13:00.46 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:00.52 | jetscreamer | i didn't know that natsukao |
| 13:01.02 | natsukao | and i left toys when i was a child |
| 13:02.50 | jetscreamer | i love toys |
| 13:03.49 | abrotman | there is also #debian-it on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:04.32 | natsukao | thank you |
| 13:04.55 | natsukao | but you are more sympa |
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| 13:07.18 | abrotman | woohoo .. we are sympa! |
| 13:07.37 | suzukinder | hi! |
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| 13:10.38 | natsukao | off topic: 23 dec 05 - 23 dec 08 my project about refund windows for Italy, i found names as barebone; benq distributed from Santech; Clevo; Comex; Ergo; Hitachi; Hyundai; Ideaprogress; Nevada distributed from Elettrodata; Quanta that gives a refund or it is possible to buy from them saying "without windows" for example nevada, hyundai, ideaprogress sells computers without windows they did not need to do any refund |
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| 13:12.25 | natsukao | you can see to my job on http://wiki.fsfe.org/Windows-Tax_Refund#Italy i am the 4^th in the list |
| 13:14.27 | abrotman | !ot |
| 13:14.27 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 13:16.52 | xingu | right, so finally after drilling the memetic chain back to its origin, it turns out that the problem area is phpnuke, about which I personally would consider it a feature if it were just dropped for entirely arbitrary reasons regardless. |
| 13:17.06 | xingu | wow, that's half an hour of my life I'll never get back |
| 13:17.19 | xingu | sues abrotman |
| 13:17.45 | abrotman | i thought phpnuke was dead |
| 13:18.16 | xingu | not nearly dead enough |
| 13:18.33 | abrotman | been removed from lenny apparently |
| 13:18.46 | lostson | thats a good thing though |
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| 13:19.04 | chfwiggum | hi all! |
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| 13:19.28 | lostson | chfwiggum--> how is ralphie ? |
| 13:19.42 | chfwiggum | hehe, sold him |
| 13:19.45 | lostson | lol |
| 13:19.49 | lostson | sorry couldnt resist |
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| 13:24.13 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, I'm habinng trouble with my sata disk, it is sluggish and is slowing my system, here it is: http://pastebin.com/m7c6a643b, anybody? |
| 13:25.31 | sylarrr | how do I make a usb install? |
| 13:25.37 | xingu | hmm, ok, major misconstrual, the phpnuke reference leakage comes about because that's where mr towns started talking about agpl, the error is all mine |
| 13:25.57 | abrotman | xingu: oh .. you've been reading that thread ? |
| 13:26.02 | xingu | and he was following-up on issues with rpsl |
| 13:26.27 | xingu | abrotman: yeah, I'm a wonk for chasing things back to their source |
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| 13:26.56 | xingu | agpl seems popular with bits of the web2.0/ ajax crowd |
| 13:27.01 | abrotman | xingu: i skimmed it .. their logic seems roughly sound, but i'm not a DD and have no say :) |
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| 13:27.38 | asg | abrotman: thank goodness ;) |
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| 13:27.58 | abrotman | asg: then i'd end up like damog |
| 13:28.11 | asg | abrotman: living in NY eating raman? |
| 13:28.31 | abrotman | i think he eats other stuff |
| 13:28.39 | lostson | hmm i have no /var/mail/lostson what happened there |
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| 13:30.19 | chfwiggum | i made a dist-upgrade to lenny, kernel was to change from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26 - 2.6.26 wouldn't boot (several ACPI Errors). Now, can i just apt-get another kernel again or should i try to build a new one? any opinions appreciated. |
| 13:30.24 | abrotman | your mail got delivered somewhere else |
| 13:30.34 | abrotman | chfwiggum: tried turning acpi off ? |
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| 13:30.45 | lostson | ok how can i get exim4 to create my mail |
| 13:30.54 | chfwiggum | abrotman: nope. thx |
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| 13:31.33 | sylarrr | is there a way to make usb install disk from windows? |
| 13:31.45 | abrotman | !tell sylarrr about usb install |
| 13:32.00 | asg | lostson: mail yourself |
| 13:32.01 | abrotman | sylarrr: does cygwin have the tools ? |
| 13:32.44 | nootoyahora | I'm having trouble with my sata disk, it is sluggish and is slowing my system, here it is: http://pastebin.com/m7c6a643b, anybody? |
| 13:33.44 | chfwiggum | nootoyahora: i've read it, but seems normal so far |
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| 13:34.06 | sylarrr | abrotman, I don't know |
| 13:34.45 | nootoyahora | chfwiggum, the "Timing buffered disk reads" are normal? |
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| 13:35.22 | valdyn | nootoyahora: bad cabling? |
| 13:35.53 | nootoyahora | valdyn, maybe, I will check the connection... it can be something relted to the bios? or the kernel? |
| 13:36.11 | valdyn | nootoyahora: yes, possibly, some legacy mode in the bios |
| 13:36.20 | valdyn | nootoyahora: it should be ahci if that is available |
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| 13:36.56 | nootoyahora | valdyn, ok, can I checked anything else on my system before getting the problem to the bios? |
| 13:37.06 | valdyn | nootoyahora: the hdparm part though |
| 13:37.13 | valdyn | nootoyahora: Timing cached reads: 974 MB in 2.00 seconds = 486.54 MB/sec |
| 13:37.22 | valdyn | nootoyahora: that is a benchmark of your ram, not your disk |
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| 13:37.51 | valdyn | nootoyahora: thats ram to slow by a factor of 10 |
| 13:37.57 | chfwiggum | nootoyahora: my bad, mine shows 35 MB/sec |
| 13:38.21 | nootoyahora | valdyn, my ram is too slow? |
| 13:38.35 | valdyn | nootoyahora: so it might be that your system is being slowed by something that is not the disk |
| 13:38.44 | valdyn | nootoyahora: yes |
| 13:38.57 | valdyn | nootoyahora: ram or cpu actually |
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| 13:40.18 | nootoyahora | valdyn, but I have been checking out some numebrs, and it seems that waht is 0 times slower is the "Timing buffered disk reads" |
| 13:41.08 | valdyn | nootoyahora: uh? |
| 13:41.25 | nootoyahora | valdyn, 10 times slower |
| 13:41.29 | valdyn | nootoyahora: the buffered disk read number cannot be fast if ram or cpu is already to slow |
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| 13:42.19 | nootoyahora | valdyn, so you're suggesting that waht is slowing my system is a bad ram confoguration in bios? |
| 13:42.24 | valdyn | nootoyahora: if the 486.54 was in the range of 4000 then you could conclude that something is wrong with the disk and/or its drivers |
| 13:42.34 | valdyn | nootoyahora: no |
| 13:42.54 | valdyn | nootoyahora: your system is slow, not just your disk |
| 13:42.59 | valdyn | nootoyahora: that can have many reasons |
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| 13:43.19 | valdyn | nootoyahora: what is your total amount of ram? |
| 13:43.25 | nootoyahora | valdyn, my system is a p4@3Ghz... |
| 13:43.36 | nootoyahora | valdyn, 52Mb |
| 13:43.42 | nootoyahora | valdyn, 512Mb |
| 13:43.53 | valdyn | nootoyahora: ya and that p4 is crawling at 1/10th of what it should probably run at |
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| 13:44.45 | nootoyahora | valdyn, I know, is like running a p2... and I don't know waht's wrong with it |
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| 13:45.21 | valdyn | nootoyahora: hmm nevermind, maybe your ram being that slow is actually ok on a p4? |
| 13:45.39 | valdyn | Timing cached reads: 836 MB in 2.00 seconds = 417.74 MB/sec <- thats a pentium M at 1.5ghz though |
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| 13:45.54 | nootoyahora | valdyn, I have to reset the bios some days ago |
| 13:46.07 | valdyn | nootoyahora: paste the output of dmesg on a paste site |
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| 13:50.31 | xingu | valdyn: fyi c2d-era systems have an order of magnitude more front-side hosepipery than their predecessors |
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| 13:50.46 | valdyn | xingu: yea, thats what i just noticed |
| 13:50.58 | xingu | valdyn: the 945-era memory controller is really rather good. |
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| 13:51.47 | valdyn | nootoyahora: ok, now if your ram is ok at that speed, check for that legacy mode in the bios, switch to ahci if that is possible |
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| 13:52.30 | xingu | valdyn: it's partly why I creamed myself when the first 945[gp]m notebooks hit the market - workstation-esque paths across the thing |
| 13:52.33 | nootoyahora | valdyn, here you have, the dmesg ouput... http://pastebin.com/d20d95ce6 |
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| 13:53.27 | orangey | hey all! |
| 13:53.31 | orangey | I've been using Debian for years. |
| 13:53.42 | orangey | rather, the Debian is a given and won't change. |
| 13:53.46 | orangey | I've been using MAILMAN for years. |
| 13:53.52 | orangey | and it strikes me there has to be something better. |
| 13:53.56 | orangey | any ideas? |
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| 13:54.19 | abrotman | enemiesofcarlotta ? |
| 13:54.21 | orangey | For example, something that has modules, is a bit more extensible, etc. |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | kind of likes mailman |
| 13:54.41 | valdyn | nootoyahora: driver seems to be ata_piix, thats ok. |
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| 13:56.09 | orangey | abrotman: I do too. It's extremely simple |
| 13:56.21 | orangey | but the strength is the weakness |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | i like that the mailing list managers have a pretty simple web interface .. so they don't bother me with administrative changes |
| 13:56.58 | orangey | for example, why can't people subscribe via RSS? Why can't i get messages to my IM or something? |
| 13:57.12 | abrotman | because .. it's email ? |
| 13:57.27 | asg | email 2.0 |
| 13:57.28 | orangey | Mailman has basically not changed since I first started using it in 2000 |
| 13:57.38 | abrotman | if you want an RSS feed, look for something that would do something like smtp->blog/rss |
| 13:57.56 | abrotman | orangey: email hasn't really changed since uh .. 1986 ? |
| 13:57.57 | xingu | nootoyahora: you'll also be wanting to check the disk with smartctl -a; fyi that disk should be running 10x that rate per spec sheet |
| 13:57.59 | orangey | abrotman: it's just communication. and for the first time, I feel constrained by Mailman. |
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| 13:58.27 | nootoyahora | xingu, I know it, d 2 years ago my computer was performing faster than now... |
| 13:58.30 | `Abo | what kernel should I install so it can recognise all my installed ram which is 6, and it currently sees 3 |
| 13:58.31 | abrotman | orangey: it's email .. if you want to portray the email in another form .. find a way to do it |
| 13:58.36 | orangey | abrotman: I understand your point. You think mailman is about email. My point is that "Mailing lists" are a form of communication, and I want that form to extend. |
| 13:58.44 | nootoyahora | valdyn, what does it mean? [ 2.474723] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 13:58.46 | abrotman | `Abo: on i386 ? |
| 13:58.47 | `Abo | do not tell me amd kernel as I installed it it does recognise 6gb of ram |
| 13:58.50 | asg | orangey: then use a forum or wiki |
| 13:58.50 | `Abo | i686 |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | orangey: then find a better archiver ? |
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| 13:59.07 | xingu | nootoyahora: as valdyn's already said, check your bios for ahci mode toggle (it's using legacy/ide/ata mode at the moment) |
| 13:59.11 | `Abo | I installed amd as someone from here said once and it crashes so fast |
| 13:59.38 | \amethyst | `Abo: then 686-bigmem |
| 13:59.39 | xingu | nootoyahora: but also check smartctl -a /dev/sda, the disk may be *dying* |
| 13:59.39 | valdyn | nootoyahora: nothing really |
| 13:59.40 | orangey | asg: The question I am asking is about which of the specific forums (wiki doesn't sound like the right tool here) would have the features and be stable and work well - from people's experience. |
| 13:59.47 | abrotman | orangey: i actually see quite a few RSS->email .. but not the other way |
| 13:59.51 | orangey | but you're right. A forum with email bits is probably a good idea. |
| 13:59.58 | nootoyahora | xingu, time to replace the disk? |
| 14:00.02 | valdyn | nootoyahora: its just using a deprecated feature, but that doesnt mean that anything doesnt work |
| 14:00.02 | `Abo | with i686 works fine no crash but it doesnt see all my memory |
| 14:00.02 | asg | orangey: ikiwiki is very extensible and may fit your bill |
| 14:00.10 | xingu | nootoyahora: if the error counts are clicking over, then possibly |
| 14:00.12 | abrotman | `Abo: there is a -686-bigmem |
| 14:00.12 | `Abo | whats the exact image \amethyst? |
| 14:00.15 | Eulex | `Abo, what cpu? also, there's no debian i686 arch. there's a -686 kernel for i386, though. |
| 14:00.21 | `Abo | core 2 due e8400 |
| 14:00.24 | `Abo | duo |
| 14:00.25 | Eulex | !tell `Abo about search |
| 14:00.34 | abrotman | `Abo: oh .. aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:00.36 | Eulex | `Abo, that one should be able to run an amd64 kernel |
| 14:00.39 | \amethyst | `Abo: linux-image-2.6.*-686-bigmem |
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| 14:00.50 | \amethyst | abrotman: he said amd64 kernel crashes |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | then aptitude install linux-image-686-bigmem |
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| 14:01.07 | `Abo | yeah it crashes and load averages are aloways so big numbers on amd kernel |
| 14:01.22 | `Abo | it remains stuck and I have to reboot, it does not respond anymore |
| 14:01.24 | `Abo | on amd |
| 14:01.30 | nootoyahora | xingu, what do I have to check? |
| 14:01.31 | abrotman | then aptitude install linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 14:01.55 | `Abo | ok, I did that |
| 14:02.00 | `Abo | installing |
| 14:05.15 | `Abo | ho do I uninstall 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 kernel? |
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| 14:13.54 | grandrew | hi all! is there a way to tell apt to install onto a different location? like if I am running out of space on my HD and want to install software onto detacheble external storage? is that possible? |
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| 14:22.28 | bolt | what do I need to install to get sound from this? "00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)" |
| 14:23.39 | abrotman | that driver should already be in the debian kernel .. that's a pretty basic sound card |
| 14:24.23 | bolt | yes, lsmod shows a driver loaded. but i hear no sound. tried to install aumix but it gives me "error opening mixer" |
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| 14:24.30 | maligor | try alsamixer |
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| 14:24.34 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 14:24.34 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 14:24.42 | cahoot | just run speaker-test |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | and if oyu're using alsa .. aumix won't do a whole lot |
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| 14:25.45 | bolt | i haven't installed anything specific for the sound. alsa-base and alsa-utils is not installed. the loaded module is "snd 47588 7 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device" |
| 14:26.12 | cahoot | bolt: instsall alsa-utils, run speaker-test -t wav in a terminal |
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| 14:29.35 | aep | greetings. i need a debian/qmail setup for testing (not a production environment), is there any prebuild installer for me? |
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| 14:30.08 | aep | i'd be even fine with ubuntu or something. its really just a 10 minutes test |
| 14:31.05 | bolt | try a virtual appliance or something |
| 14:31.12 | aep | i can setup things on my own (usually i do LFS), but i'm to lazy to go through all the dpkg things just for testing |
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| 14:34.33 | Feeernando | hellol |
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| 14:38.36 | JarJarBinks | I want to install a package 'tor' which i from packages.debian.org see exist. however I don't seem to get the information about which repository line I have to add to sources.list to get it in available in apt-get |
| 14:39.40 | superjet_busy | !tell JarJarBinks about tor |
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| 14:42.09 | robyonrails | guys, I've a problem |
| 14:42.11 | robyonrails | http://rafb.net/p/1jv2EM67.html |
| 14:42.24 | robyonrails | in etch I had my wlan working correctly |
| 14:42.44 | robyonrails | after the upgrade to lenny, my wlan stopped working |
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| 14:44.25 | JarJarBinks | superjet_busy: thank you |
| 14:44.41 | superjet_busy | JarJarBinks: np :) |
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| 14:45.09 | soreau | robyonrails: Debian wiki seems to suggest your device is supported natively with the zd1211rw module |
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| 14:45.50 | robyonrails | wow |
| 14:46.01 | robyonrails | how can I put that working? |
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| 14:47.22 | soreau | I don't know. Maybe this can help you somehow http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325727 |
| 14:47.27 | aoliveira | hi |
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| 14:48.18 | jelly-home | !zd1211rw |
| 14:48.18 | dpkg | [zd1211rw] the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets (http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw). Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package in <non-free>). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required. #zd1211 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:48.22 | henry-nicolas | Hi, is there any web ftp client available in Lenny ? (as net2ftp) ? |
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| 14:57.32 | BillHarris | I used to run rdiff-backup on Ubuntu, but Dec. 13 it started failing; traceback at http://pastebin.com/fc3586dd |
| 14:57.32 | BillHarris | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.48 | gewt | D: |
| 14:57.58 | mhymn | BillHarris: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:58.05 | BillHarris | okay |
| 14:58.07 | gewt | did the ubuntu people send you here!? |
| 14:58.12 | gewt | if nto try #ubuntu |
| 14:58.22 | gewt | and if they sent you here, tell em so i can yell at them |
| 14:58.27 | BillHarris | no; they were talking about the need for antivirus and antispyware stuff :-) |
| 14:58.31 | BillHarris | I'll go try |
| 14:58.38 | BillHarris | thx; bye |
| 14:58.57 | gewt | I should setup rdiff-backup |
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| 15:10.55 | Tortel | Anyone know how to disable putting the moniter in standby with gnome? |
| 15:11.00 | mordy | if i want to copy a debootstrap installation to a different location, do i use something like cp --copy-contents? |
| 15:11.17 | abchirk | Tortel System -> Prferences -> Screensaver |
| 15:11.21 | Tortel | I disabled it under power settings, but it still goes off after a while |
| 15:11.38 | abchirk | and there is power management.. |
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| 15:13.08 | Tortel | abchirk: do you know if there are some other settings somewhere, or if it may be a xserver setting? |
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| 15:15.17 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$sudo echo sudo ntpdate time.windows.com >> /etc/profile |
| 15:15.18 | aoliveira | bash: /etc/profile: Permission denied |
| 15:16.20 | Tortel | abchirk: nvm, i think I found a way around it |
| 15:16.25 | troubled | aoliveira: sudo echo sudo? |
| 15:16.30 | aoliveira | yes |
| 15:16.37 | troubled | coughs |
| 15:16.44 | aoliveira | i want to put that command in the profile |
| 15:16.47 | mhymn | aoliveira: you have the permission for 'sudo'? |
| 15:16.52 | aoliveira | sure |
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| 15:17.14 | mhymn | aoliveira: you have root access too? |
| 15:17.17 | troubled | aoliveira: why dont you just crontab that or setup ntpd? |
| 15:17.27 | aoliveira | why i dont have permission to write on profile |
| 15:17.32 | fsancho | hi all |
| 15:17.33 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:17.39 | aoliveira | if i have used sudo? |
| 15:17.39 | abrotman | aoliveira: why? |
| 15:17.48 | troubled | ntpdate will do sudden drastic time changes, which isnt always a good thing, ntpd will gradually skew the time |
| 15:18.08 | aoliveira | guys |
| 15:18.12 | troubled | not to mention that ntpd will stay sync'd 24/7 without need to frequently run commands |
| 15:18.13 | aoliveira | i want understand the problem |
| 15:18.29 | abrotman | aoliveira: then just put it in a crontask .. have it run per day or per hour |
| 15:18.37 | troubled | aoliveira: missing "'s for sudo |
| 15:18.38 | aoliveira | sudo echo test >> /etc/profile |
| 15:18.44 | abrotman | and stop using sudo |
| 15:18.55 | troubled | the >> /etc/profile is probably being tried with your current user |
| 15:18.57 | aoliveira | sudo echo sudo ntpdate time.windows.com >> /etc/profile |
| 15:19.04 | abrotman | DUMB |
| 15:19.11 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$sudo echo test >> /etc/profile |
| 15:19.12 | aoliveira | bash: /etc/profile: Permission denied |
| 15:19.20 | troubled | ie: bash thinks you only want to run "echo sudo ntpdate time.windows.com" as root, and echo the results of that sudo command to /etc/profile |
| 15:19.24 | abrotman | i'd be pissed if my stupid admin delayed my login to set the time |
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| 15:19.41 | troubled | aoliveira: try: sudo "echo sudo ntpdate time.windows.com >> /etc/profile" |
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| 15:20.02 | aoliveira | hmm |
| 15:20.30 | aoliveira | this way i would have root rights even in the redirectin? |
| 15:20.42 | troubled | or maybe: sudo 'echo "sudo ntpdate time.windows.com" >> /etc/profile' |
| 15:20.54 | lummox | Hello, I maybe want to install Debian. I do not know how to setup pppoe internet connection by hand, though. Is there a "wizard" that can do it for me in debian? |
| 15:20.56 | porter | hi, i'm using etch and reject the idea of using syslog-ng or rsyslog, want to stick with the standard syslogd. I get the logs from remote hosts by SYSLOG="-r" and i need to split the logs so every host has its own logfile. what would you suggest? |
| 15:21.00 | aoliveira | hmm nice |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | lummox: pppoeconfig or pppoeconf .. one of those |
| 15:21.38 | troubled | aoliveira: its just messing up because the redirection was being attempted as your user, not root |
| 15:21.39 | aoliveira | troubled: it works now |
| 15:21.41 | lummox | abrotman, ok, so I try to install Debian, hehe |
| 15:21.42 | lummox | thanks |
| 15:21.47 | aoliveira | yes |
| 15:21.54 | troubled | aoliveira: really though, you should try ntpd |
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| 15:22.02 | abrotman | or at least not screw over your users |
| 15:22.10 | troubled | :) |
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| 15:22.20 | aoliveira | troubled: i install the ntpd |
| 15:22.39 | troubled | aoliveira: well, if ntpd is running, ntpdate will fail due to the port being in use |
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| 15:22.54 | wald0 | can debian release Lenny without the secretary ? |
| 15:23.02 | lummox | For Intel Dual Core x86_64 I should take amd64, right? |
| 15:23.06 | abrotman | wald0: why not? |
| 15:23.12 | abrotman | lummox: amd64 or i386 |
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| 15:23.17 | lummox | ok, thanks |
| 15:23.29 | abrotman | wald0: and i'm sure there will be someone in that post shortly |
| 15:23.35 | troubled | porter: standard syslog uses udp for remote reception and is suceptable to packet loss, especially on ipsec negotiations |
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| 15:23.50 | troubled | porter: udp = dump for security logging, tcp = smart |
| 15:24.10 | troubled | syslog-ng > syslogd |
| 15:24.28 | troubled | s/dump/dumb/ |
| 15:24.41 | porter | yeah i assumed so |
| 15:24.45 | aoliveira | troubled: ops still doesnt work |
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| 15:24.48 | porter | so what would you suggest? |
| 15:24.49 | wald0 | abrotman: ok, thx :) |
| 15:25.15 | troubled | aoliveira: which one did you try? the last one was probably the closest to right, the others would fail |
| 15:25.39 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$sudo "echo test >> /etc/profile" |
| 15:25.40 | aoliveira | sudo: echo test >> /etc/profile: command not found |
| 15:25.45 | porter | troubled: you're suggesting syslog-ng ? did i got that right? |
| 15:25.54 | troubled | aoliveira: also, make sure your sudo settings for the users allow nopasswd running or it will want them to enter their password for sudo |
| 15:26.18 | troubled | porter: yes, its going to be the default in lenny I believe and it does tcp remote reception as well iirc |
| 15:26.24 | aoliveira | i wont use that i just want understand how to use the sudo with pipes and redirects |
| 15:26.32 | porter | :-/ |
| 15:26.40 | troubled | porter: although, if you have a favorite syslog replacement, by all means use it |
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| 15:27.05 | porter | no, i need to stick with syslogd_standard |
| 15:27.41 | troubled | you need it? |
| 15:28.01 | troubled | well, expect it to change in lenny possibly. although im not sure if it will be forced or not |
| 15:28.06 | porter | netbsd has something like this : syslogd_flags="-a IP1/mask1" |
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| 15:28.18 | porter | is there nothing similar in etch? |
| 15:28.52 | troubled | probably the hosts.allow/deny files |
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| 15:29.50 | troubled | aoliveira: probably best to read the bash manual thoroughly on redirection |
| 15:29.58 | chfwiggum | if i want to install for example science-mathematics and science-chemistry how do i enter this in short? it was sth like science-{mathematics, chemistry}.can't find the right exp. tia |
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| 15:30.41 | jelly-home | porter: what's your reason for rejecting syslog-ng? I'm just interested, don't have an answer to your question. |
| 15:30.45 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$sudo "echo teste2 >> /etc/profile" |
| 15:30.47 | troubled | chfwiggum: hmmm, not sure about {}'s, but I know you can escape stuff like * with something like: science-\* |
| 15:30.47 | aoliveira | sudo: echo teste2 >> /etc/profile: command not found |
| 15:31.01 | troubled | chfwiggum: perhaps try science-\{.......\}? |
| 15:31.05 | aoliveira | how do i make it work? |
| 15:31.18 | jelly-home | aoliveira: sudo sh -c 'foo > blah' |
| 15:31.27 | aoliveira | hmm ty |
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| 15:31.59 | aoliveira | and the oscar goes to jelly home |
| 15:32.09 | troubled | :) |
| 15:32.14 | aoliveira | pretty much what i thought |
| 15:32.20 | troubled | aoliveira: sudo -h |
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| 15:32.38 | troubled | nm, that doesnt tell you much |
| 15:32.39 | porter | jelly-home: one reason would be to stick with the standard unix way |
| 15:33.31 | jelly-home | I guess you use ed as your editor, too? |
| 15:33.32 | abrotman | or he could have just stopped trying ot use sudo 20 minutes |
| 15:33.33 | abrotman | ago |
| 15:33.44 | chfwiggum | troubled: k, got it. {} was fine, just no spaces between the listing inside the {} |
| 15:33.58 | troubled | I would have just `sudo vim /etc/profile`, but thats just me :) |
| 15:34.07 | porter | i conclude you guys use mostly syslog-ng and rsyslog and similar |
| 15:34.14 | troubled | chfwiggum: ah, good to know, thanks |
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| 15:34.29 | jelly-home | uses tools suitable for the job |
| 15:35.01 | jelly-home | syslog-ng has been around for a long time |
| 15:35.25 | porter | alright, appreciated guys, /me waves |
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| 15:36.05 | troubled | ya, -ng has definetly been around a while. glad to see its finally becomming the standard in lenny (least I think it was -ng wasnt it?) |
| 15:36.32 | asg | troubled: rsyslog is the default |
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| 15:36.40 | aoliveira | troubled: now, how i use ntpd |
| 15:36.43 | troubled | ah, thanks asg |
| 15:36.49 | aoliveira | troubled: i just want to update the time automatically |
| 15:37.12 | zirikili | hey guys. I have an old ps2 keyboard I like so much. when I attach it to my laptop via an usb adapter, I lose some keys. is there any special feature I should set o xorg.conf for it? |
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| 15:37.32 | asg | aoliveira: then put the ntpdate command in an appropriate /etc/cron.d/foo script |
| 15:37.33 | lummox | Is it enough to only download the first DVD to get Debian with KDE or Gnome and a program to configure and use pppoe internet connection? |
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| 15:37.42 | troubled | aoliveira: well, after you read the man page for ntp? try edit /etc/ntp.conf and uncomment/set the "server ....." line to the server you want to use, or stick with the default pool's |
| 15:38.05 | stew | zirikili: run 'xev' and hit those keys, and see if events are generated |
| 15:38.07 | troubled | asg: to be clear, that was the replacement for lenny right? |
| 15:38.13 | aoliveira | isnt it a ntp server? |
| 15:38.17 | aoliveira | i want a client only |
| 15:38.25 | mhymn | lummox: yep |
| 15:38.30 | lummox | ok, thanks |
| 15:38.34 | troubled | aoliveira: yes and no |
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| 15:39.13 | asg | troubled: rsyslog? yes. At least it is the default installed on a current testing system. |
| 15:39.19 | troubled | aoliveira: yes it can provide time to your network and it runs 24/7 with gradual time skewing (good thing(tm)), but it doesnt have to do anything but set the system time of that machine if you configure it to |
| 15:39.55 | stew | judd: info syslog-ng --release lenny |
| 15:39.56 | judd | stew: syslog-ng (admin): is extra; Version: 2.0.9-4.1; Size: 126.8k; Installed: 424k -- Next generation logging daemon |
| 15:40.04 | troubled | asg: thats probably what it was then. Remember reading something in one of the debian newsletters about lenny changing it to be the default. guess I just have syslog-ng on the brain today :) |
| 15:40.11 | stew | "extra" wouldn't be in standard install |
| 15:40.19 | aoliveira | troubled: i rather a ntpupdate in the cron |
| 15:40.35 | stew | judd: info rsyslog --release lenny |
| 15:40.36 | judd | stew: rsyslog (admin): is important; Version: 3.18.5-1; Size: 162.1k; Installed: 472k -- enhanced multi-threaded syslogd |
| 15:40.42 | stew | yeah, rsyslog is "important" |
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| 15:41.12 | troubled | aoliveira: "man ntpdate" and readthe second paragraph |
| 15:41.15 | abrotman | aoliveira: that's what we told you to do 20 minutes ago |
| 15:41.34 | zirikili | stew: nothing happens for those keys |
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| 15:41.49 | troubled | aoliveira: ntpdate is really not recommended vs. ntpd |
| 15:41.54 | troubled | but its your system |
| 15:42.29 | aoliveira | it's a test machine |
| 15:43.00 | aoliveira | actually a virtual machine runs on vmware on windows |
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| 15:43.54 | troubled | ahh ya, ive been there before heh |
| 15:44.03 | troubled | install the vmware host tools, dont use ntpdate! |
| 15:44.41 | troubled | but vmware machine im pretty sure have to allow clock skewing due to their design iirc. theres a writeup about the issue on vmware's site/docs I think |
| 15:46.38 | troubled | aoliveira: fwiw, I had a similar issue with vmware running an ircd as well. eventually the time would be way off due to the host slowly stealing clock cycles over time or something like that |
| 15:46.42 | stew | zirikili: that's a bad sign |
| 15:46.56 | the-dude | is there a user with experiance with telia.se ? |
| 15:47.13 | Decepticon | what can i use that will see a specific window and send a keystroke to it automatically after shifting focus to it |
| 15:47.47 | aoliveira | troubled: actually the time got wrong cause i use snapshto everytime |
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| 15:48.10 | troubled | aoliveira: vmware will drift over time regardless though iirc |
| 15:49.16 | troubled | but I believe the host tools that you can install for vmware will help compensate a little bit by speeding up the clock when it gets behind due to lost clocks from fighting for cpu with the host OS |
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| 15:49.31 | aoliveira | troubled: but i cant install that damn tools |
| 15:49.35 | troubled | in other words, it should save you from having to worry about ntpdate |
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| 15:49.57 | chfwiggum | what might be the reason rhythmbox won't load plugins like jamendo and others? |
| 15:49.59 | aoliveira | troubled: i'll try and you help so? |
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| 15:50.09 | troubled | in linux in vmware, when you pick "install tools", it just makes them available via floppy or cdrom I think |
| 15:50.19 | masak | I have a Swedish keyboard, but am running US layout. for some reason, the key left of Z has not been remapped to mean "`" and "~", but still means "<" and ">" as on a Swedish layout. how can I change this? |
| 15:50.29 | troubled | you just need to mount whichever one it is to /mnt and copy the file/tar ball and install it |
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| 15:50.35 | S` | can anyone set up a poptop vpn server for me $100 |
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| 15:51.35 | troubled | ooh, not too often you seen $$$ toss around #debian |
| 15:51.43 | aoliveira | troubled: but it says the kernel is different and want to recompile somethin |
| 15:52.42 | troubled | aoliveira: ah, you need to install the kernel headers for your version of the kernel I believe |
| 15:52.56 | troubled | after that, the vmware installer should run np |
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| 15:53.49 | Decepticon | what can i use that will see a specific window and send a keystroke to it automatically after shifting focus to it |
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| 15:53.55 | aoliveira | troubled: help me with that kernel headers part then? |
| 15:54.24 | troubled | aoliveira: apt-cache search kernel headers, pick the one that matches your `uname -r` |
| 15:54.44 | troubled | you know you got the right one when vmware tools install without problem |
| 15:55.17 | asg | troubled: another easy way is to use module-assistant (m-a prepare) |
| 15:55.17 | aoliveira | troubled: slackware here |
| 15:55.17 | troubled | asg: oh? whats that voodoo do? |
| 15:55.20 | troubled | gah! |
| 15:55.24 | aoliveira | slackware stinks |
| 15:55.28 | troubled | aoliveira: wtf are you doing here then? |
| 15:55.33 | asg | troubled: installs necessary bits to build kernel modules |
| 15:55.39 | aoliveira | cause i also have a debian machine |
| 15:55.47 | troubled | aoliveira: well, I cant help you with slackware headers, but they should be available |
| 15:55.51 | aoliveira | hahaha |
| 15:55.54 | troubled | asg: oh thats cool, thanks for the tip |
| 15:55.59 | aoliveira | only with debian kernel heades |
| 15:56.06 | troubled | doesn't use m-a at all really |
| 15:56.19 | aoliveira | m-a? |
| 15:56.26 | troubled | module-assistant |
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| 15:59.11 | abrotman | aoliveira: why would you think that asking here about your slackware problems is a good idea ? |
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| 15:59.29 | aoliveira | abrotman: it isnt a slackware problem |
| 15:59.33 | thechef | Any chance to get amarok 2.0 running on lenny? |
| 15:59.38 | abrotman | no |
| 15:59.39 | aoliveira | it's general linux issues |
| 15:59.46 | abrotman | aoliveira: then ask ##linux |
| 15:59.51 | aoliveira | haha lol |
| 16:00.12 | aoliveira | what segregation |
| 16:00.15 | abrotman | how is that funny ? |
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| 16:00.25 | stew | doesn't matter, lets please just drop it |
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| 16:01.54 | S` | can anyone set up a poptop vpn server for me $100 |
| 16:01.56 | Clooth | Ello! |
| 16:02.01 | aoliveira | these channels doesnt have OP |
| 16:02.01 | Clooth | I have a quick question |
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| 16:02.21 | Clooth | how would I set a user I have to have access to sftp on his own home directory? |
| 16:02.36 | hoxu | Clooth, what debian version are you running? |
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| 16:02.55 | sk4 | S`: pptp? |
| 16:02.57 | Clooth | uhm |
| 16:03.00 | troubled | S`: what are you having a problem with? |
| 16:03.02 | Clooth | hang on. |
| 16:03.29 | Clooth | how do I check that hoxu |
| 16:03.33 | S` | sk4 / troubled - pptpd is installed but once connected to it -- i can not browse any web sites through the vpn |
| 16:03.33 | Clooth | I think it was etch |
| 16:03.42 | hoxu | Clooth, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:03.56 | Clooth | 4.0 |
| 16:04.01 | sk4 | S`: check routes |
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| 16:04.14 | S` | sk4; i don't know how to :P |
| 16:04.16 | hoxu | Clooth, etch then, in that case you probably want to look at scponly and scponlyc |
| 16:04.20 | S` | so unless someone tell me how to or do it for me... |
| 16:05.00 | troubled | S`: you might just need to set some of the sysctl settings for your interface to allow routing on the vpn interface |
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| 16:05.14 | sk4 | google://pptp server configuration |
| 16:05.16 | Clooth | hoxu, I will, thank you. |
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| 16:06.14 | Clooth | hoxu |
| 16:06.18 | Clooth | any idea why |
| 16:06.20 | Clooth | uhm |
| 16:06.24 | Clooth | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)... |
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| 16:06.30 | Clooth | this seems to be taking a looong time |
| 16:06.30 | hoxu | Clooth, starting with lenny (IIRC), sshd has a builtin chroot option with sftp |
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| 16:06.39 | hoxu | !enter |
| 16:06.40 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:06.44 | Clooth | Sorry <_< |
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| 16:07.40 | Clooth | Any idea why 'Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...' seems to be taking a long time to do, if at all? -- Is it because my site has lots of traffic (17 hits per second) ? |
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| 16:07.52 | stew | Clooth: yes, openssh-server has a chroot options starting in 5.0 which is in lenny but not etch. in etch, you can chroot a sftp user to his home with scponly |
| 16:08.09 | stew | Clooth: yes, its waiting for all current connections to go away first |
| 16:08.21 | Clooth | what if new ones come during the wait? |
| 16:08.25 | Clooth | Or does it ignore those? |
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| 16:09.10 | stew | Clooth: it should not be accepting new connections (which you should easily be able to verify) |
| 16:09.15 | Clooth | true. |
| 16:09.17 | Clooth | *tries* |
| 16:09.29 | Clooth | It is however. O_o |
| 16:10.28 | Clooth | Until now I've just killed the apache2 process and restarted it, since /etc/init.d/apache2 restart wasn't working. |
| 16:10.33 | Clooth | It just sits there. |
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| 16:12.55 | Clooth | when I first said 'Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...' here a moment ago I executed the restart command |
| 16:13.12 | Clooth | for some reason it working fine and not restarting like it's supposed to, *googles* |
| 16:13.31 | Doonz | hey guys say i wanted to copy everything in the directory /home/rs1 to /home/rs2 WHat would be the command including subfolders? |
| 16:13.40 | cahoot | cp -a? |
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| 16:14.19 | troubled | cahoot: man cp :) |
| 16:14.28 | Clooth | cp -R tbh |
| 16:14.31 | cahoot | correct |
| 16:14.45 | troubled | cahoot: on my bad, thought you were asking, not telling |
| 16:14.52 | Doonz | ahh |
| 16:14.56 | Doonz | kept trying -r |
| 16:15.12 | Clooth | -r doesn't exist. :p |
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| 16:15.15 | troubled | Doonz: rsync is handy when doing that as well |
| 16:15.17 | Doonz | hehehe |
| 16:15.35 | Doonz | naw im just moving all data on one raid 5 array to a new raid 5 array |
| 16:15.42 | Clooth | wow |
| 16:15.45 | Clooth | it finally restarted stew |
| 16:15.51 | Clooth | it took a good 10 minutes apparently |
| 16:15.51 | Clooth | O_o |
| 16:16.28 | pk_ | Hello |
| 16:17.14 | Doonz | cp -R /home/server/rs1 //home/server/rs2 <- proper command? |
| 16:17.15 | pk_ | I just installed a new ethernet wireless pci card and I have trouble connecting to the internet |
| 16:17.29 | troubled | Doonz: cp -xa is probably better |
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| 16:17.37 | pk_ | I checked, and It seems like the card is installed |
| 16:17.44 | Doonz | i want it to copy everything |
| 16:17.54 | troubled | Doonz: -a will not only recurse sub dirs, but will also ensure that links etc will be preserved |
| 16:18.06 | Clooth | Hello, stew. I now installed scponly, but I'm not sure I understand how to use it, any help on how to do this home directory change, or how to even create a sftp user if that's somehow different from creating a regular user on the machine? |
| 16:18.18 | troubled | -x just makes sure it stays on one filesystem (great for doing stuff like copying the rootfs, but not mounted stuff) |
| 16:18.20 | Doonz | ok thanx |
| 16:18.32 | pk_ | In fact, the material is recognized but the network manager doesn't seem to be able to connect |
| 16:18.44 | pk_ | I wonder if it is a driver problem ? |
| 16:19.03 | stew | Clooth: read /usr/share/doc/scponly if you haven't already |
| 16:20.07 | stew | Clooth: you need to setup their chroot, (i think they have a script for that) so that you copy all of the necessary files into their home directory, and change the user's shell to /usr/bin/scponly_c |
| 16:20.16 | Clooth | hmm, ok. |
| 16:20.22 | Clooth | I'll read the readmes and such now. |
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| 16:22.25 | Clooth | stew, why am I getting permission denied when trying to run the .sh.gz file "setup_chroot" ? |
| 16:22.30 | pk_ | Is there some tutorials on configuring wireless card ? |
| 16:22.51 | craigevil | pk_: search the debian wiki for your card |
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| 16:24.33 | Clooth | -bash: ./setup_chroot.sh: Permission denied |
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| 16:26.22 | pk_ | craigevil: There isn't anything on my card |
| 16:26.33 | newsense | pk which card is it ? |
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| 16:27.07 | pk_ | it's a syslink WMP54G v4.1 working with the rt61 drivers |
| 16:27.19 | pk_ | theoreticaly working |
| 16:27.21 | newsense | so its working ? |
| 16:27.26 | newsense | ahh |
| 16:27.35 | newsense | pci right |
| 16:27.41 | pk_ | yep |
| 16:28.03 | HardDisk_WP | how do I get the temperature of my Core2Duo's thermal sensors? |
| 16:28.22 | newsense | lm-sensors |
| 16:28.52 | Clooth | stew, figured it out. had to chmod. :) |
| 16:29.04 | newsense | pk is the rt61 module loaded ? |
| 16:29.10 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: acpi -t |
| 16:29.20 | pk_ | I did a modprobe |
| 16:29.25 | stew | Clooth: you'd need to gunzip it too |
| 16:29.26 | pk_ | I don't know how to check |
| 16:29.29 | newsense | lsmod |
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| 16:29.30 | Clooth | I did, stew. |
| 16:29.35 | pk_ | thx |
| 16:29.42 | newsense | ') |
| 16:29.47 | HardDisk_WP | how do I get the temperature of my Core2Duo's thermal sensors? |
| 16:29.49 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, only shows battery |
| 16:30.12 | pk_ | yep it is listed |
| 16:30.24 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: well either lm-sensors or acpi |
| 16:30.52 | pk_ | I think my card is recognized, because I have a list of all the networks arounds |
| 16:31.12 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, acpi doesn't show anything about temp, and what's the correct program for lm-sensors?^^ |
| 16:31.17 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: on battery in /proc/acpi? |
| 16:31.22 | cahoot | only |
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| 16:31.39 | newsense | pk what are you using to associate ? |
| 16:31.45 | HardDisk_WP | marco@marco-laptop:/proc/acpi$ ls |
| 16:31.45 | HardDisk_WP | ac_adapter battery button dsdt embedded_controller event fadt fan info power_resource processor sleep thermal_zone video wakeup |
| 16:31.56 | HardDisk_WP | thermal_zone is empty |
| 16:32.01 | HardDisk_WP | do I need some kernel module maybe? |
| 16:32.04 | newsense | pk_: ie wireless-tools, network mangler, wpa_supplicant |
| 16:32.27 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: might be broekn acpi in your bios |
| 16:32.43 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, ...or that, because Compal sucks =) |
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| 16:33.06 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, but how do Wind*ws programs then get correct temperature from GPU and CPU? |
| 16:33.17 | craigevil | pk_: try using something like wifi-radar, wicd, network-manager is buggy |
| 16:33.17 | HardDisk_WP | Did I maybe miss to compile some kernel module?= |
| 16:33.32 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: might be |
| 16:33.42 | pk_ | I'm using the gnome network manager applet |
| 16:33.59 | pk_ | craigevil: ok I'll try that. thx |
| 16:34.07 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: thermal? |
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| 16:34.18 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, I ask all this because after a 1m fall of the notebook, the CPU temp is 10°C higher than before |
| 16:34.35 | Clooth | stew: how do I set up the user created with scponly to be a sftp user? |
| 16:34.40 | maligor | maybe the cooling element was shifted |
| 16:34.43 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL |
| 16:34.57 | HardDisk_WP | I fitted the cooler with new thermal paste, but still, as soon as there is load on the system in windows then CPU temp goes up to 15°C/1s |
| 16:35.10 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: grep -i thermal /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:35.25 | HardDisk_WP | grep -i thermal /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:35.28 | HardDisk_WP | oops |
| 16:35.32 | HardDisk_WP | CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m |
| 16:35.32 | HardDisk_WP | CONFIG_THERMAL=m |
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| 16:36.37 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: try modprobe thermal && acpi -t |
| 16:37.42 | HardDisk_WP | still, only battery info |
| 16:37.50 | HardDisk_WP | and /proc/acpi/thermal_zone still empty |
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| 16:38.43 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: broken acpi in your bios? check dmesg |
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| 16:39.14 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: (and google) |
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| 16:39.35 | HardDisk_WP | [ 0.000000] ACPI: BIOS bug: multiple APIC/MADT found, using 0 |
| 16:39.52 | cahoot | might be significant |
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| 16:40.17 | HardDisk_WP | argh, screw them -.- |
| 16:40.26 | cahoot | update bios? |
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| 16:40.55 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, newest bios, and compal dont really care about linux |
| 16:41.17 | HardDisk_WP | they wouldn't even give me information about how the windows program controls the software kill bit for bluetooth/wlan |
| 16:41.28 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: I'd think bios isn't OS dependent |
| 16:41.41 | HardDisk_WP | yeah, but the ACPI tables |
| 16:42.13 | HardDisk_WP | ...which are often made just good enough that windows doesnt complain, and other os'es are either totally ignored or not tested properly |
| 16:42.38 | jabis | ok I've got my backup qemu image running, now is there any good debian tools to save user settings which could help me migrate from the backup image to my host OS? |
| 16:44.43 | jabis | second question) I've got like 3 or 4 users which would need to be transferred to the new fresh system, so would I just use adduser and copy-paste the home directories to appropriate locations and set the chowns accordingly, or is there a "simpler" way |
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| 16:45.42 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, but do you have any idea what damage might be caused by the crash? |
| 16:46.04 | HardDisk_WP | I have disassembled and reassembled the whole thing already and cleaned the kitten hairs, but that didnt help |
| 16:46.25 | HardDisk_WP | also, the cpu and gpu cooling lines are separated, so it musta be the cpu |
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| 16:50.08 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: out of my league - sorry |
| 16:50.30 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 16:50.33 | HardDisk_WP | np |
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| 16:52.33 | aep | so i got this debian4 here. where can i find qmail packages for it? |
| 16:53.12 | jabis | sudo aptitude search qmail and then sudo apt-get install appropriate packages |
| 16:53.46 | aep | doesnt find qmaiö |
| 16:53.48 | aep | thats why i ask |
| 16:54.01 | jabis | !qmail |
| 16:54.02 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install on Debian, ask me about <qmail debs>. See also <qmail equivs>. |
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| 16:54.58 | aep | debian... |
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| 16:55.59 | timewriter | hi |
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| 16:56.52 | abrotman | aep: qmail-src |
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| 16:57.55 | aep | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:03.12 | stoned | Good freaking morning! |
| 17:03.19 | stoned | whats going on in the world of #debian? |
| 17:04.13 | stoned | HardDisk_WP, ##hardware ? |
| 17:04.20 | stoned | cat hairs? |
| 17:04.27 | stoned | damn pets. |
| 17:04.54 | cahoot | someone living up to the nick? |
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| 17:05.18 | stoned | :) |
| 17:05.32 | stoned | !beer cahoot |
| 17:05.32 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for cahoot |
| 17:05.40 | cahoot | nice |
| 17:05.48 | RichiH | oh come on |
| 17:05.50 | RichiH | spaten! |
| 17:05.54 | stoned | why not! |
| 17:05.59 | RichiH | it's pils! |
| 17:06.01 | cahoot | Paulaner? |
| 17:06.02 | stoned | whats the matter with you |
| 17:06.08 | stoned | runs after RichiH |
| 17:06.08 | RichiH | paulaner is almost as bad |
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| 17:06.14 | cahoot | hmmph |
| 17:06.16 | stoned | dondelelcaro, ya hear that! |
| 17:06.18 | stoned | ^^ |
| 17:06.21 | newsense | anyone know of a good easy to interpret iptables howto, if such a thing even exists |
| 17:06.24 | stoned | they don't like your beer! |
| 17:06.31 | RichiH | is from munich, he is Entitled to an Opinion about beer |
| 17:06.31 | newsense | i might be asking for too much lmao |
| 17:06.37 | stoned | RichiH, hehe |
| 17:06.49 | RichiH | stoned: it's hardly dondelelcaro's. i am from munich, he is not |
| 17:06.53 | cahoot | RichiH: you placed more to the east? |
| 17:07.01 | stoned | RichiH, but the bot only contains beers he lkes to drink |
| 17:07.02 | cahoot | err scratch that |
| 17:07.05 | stoned | RichiH, :) |
| 17:07.09 | RichiH | thus, unfortunately, spaten & paulaner are 'my' beers :( |
| 17:07.37 | stoned | RichiH, have you seen Beerfest? |
| 17:08.17 | stoned | International beer drinking competition thats held in OktoberFest |
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| 17:08.33 | stoned | fictional of coruse |
| 17:08.33 | newsense | ive seen it pretty funny |
| 17:08.51 | newsense | think i actually own it |
| 17:08.52 | stoned | newsense, google man |
| 17:09.03 | stoned | newsense, nothing is easy, it depends on how well you learn and stuff |
| 17:09.05 | abrotman | !tell newsense about iptables |
| 17:09.13 | newsense | stoned, why thank you, merry christmas |
| 17:09.27 | abrotman | newsense: netfilter.org and lartc.org have some decent docs/tutorials |
| 17:09.27 | stoned | thats a good resource start from there |
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| 17:09.39 | stoned | newsense, you can check on tldp.org too |
| 17:09.49 | newsense | thanks abrotman im already there |
| 17:10.27 | HardDisk_WP | RichiH, the best beer is still Augustiner Helles^^ |
| 17:10.40 | newsense | sorry i know the best way to learn is reading but thees a lot of cryptic iptables docs |
| 17:10.40 | HardDisk_WP | after it comes IMO the Münchner Helles from Franziskaner |
| 17:10.55 | HardDisk_WP | best beer for drinking parties is IMO Becks Gold |
| 17:11.46 | stoned | Foste's! Aust'alian fo beeaa |
| 17:11.50 | RichiH | HardDisk_WP: schneider aventinus |
| 17:11.51 | stoned | heh |
| 17:12.09 | HardDisk_WP | runs |
| 17:13.07 | stoned | I have to remove kde, it sucks |
| 17:13.11 | stoned | kde4* |
| 17:13.29 | stoned | it is so amazingly horribly slow its fucking just... mind boggling. |
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| 17:13.43 | stoned | I'mgoing back to kde 3.5.9, and I will never change! |
| 17:14.01 | mordy | stoned, you use kde? |
| 17:14.03 | stoned | packageks in experimental are for 4.1.3 and fairly stable, its just kde4 i dislike |
| 17:14.06 | stoned | mordy, yes |
| 17:14.11 | mordy | gah |
| 17:14.29 | troubled | stoned: howdy |
| 17:14.32 | newsense | kde is nice |
| 17:14.33 | stoned | hey! |
| 17:14.38 | stoned | troubled, long time no see |
| 17:14.40 | craigevil | stoned: 4.2 is a bit better |
| 17:14.41 | stoned | hugs |
| 17:14.49 | troubled | :) |
| 17:15.10 | stoned | craigevil, eh.. 3.5 ftw! |
| 17:15.10 | stoned | troubled, what you been upto buddy? |
| 17:15.32 | troubled | stoned: reading, studying, learning etc. Same old same old |
| 17:15.38 | stoned | ahh word man |
| 17:15.39 | stoned | #music |
| 17:15.41 | craigevil | http://kde42.debian.net/ , im still using 3.5.10 as well i had 4.1 for a couple of days then went back to 3 |
| 17:16.27 | mordy | i'd use kde if it weren't so cluttered |
| 17:16.34 | mordy | too much hassle to slim it down |
| 17:17.05 | stoned | mordy, not really, not at all |
| 17:17.07 | stoned | !install kde |
| 17:17.07 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 17:17.09 | stoned | :/ |
| 17:17.20 | newsense | i use kde-core |
| 17:17.28 | stoned | I start from kdebase |
| 17:17.30 | stoned | :) |
| 17:17.52 | newsense | like 1 package less i think between core and base if im correct |
| 17:18.04 | stoned | a few actually |
| 17:18.53 | stoned | kde3 is the bomb diggity man |
| 17:19.12 | newsense | had to install kmix though, like the mute option |
| 17:19.16 | stoned | whatever that means I heard that on tv |
| 17:19.23 | stoned | kmix is nice |
| 17:19.51 | stoned | I don't like kaffine though, its mouse scrolling is backwards, you can't change it otherwise it throws off the rest of the mouse scroll |
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| 17:20.11 | stoned | smplayer is nice, but its not fully integrated with kde, its just a qt based player |
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| 17:20.35 | OKY | Hola amig@s, conoce alguien la manera de hacer funcionar la wlan de una Compaq Presario F752LA con Lenny - es una tarjheta Atheros AR5007 con kernel amd64 |
| 17:20.44 | stoned | !es |
| 17:20.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:21.21 | stoned | OKY, ^ |
| 17:21.53 | OKY | vale |
| 17:22.12 | newsense | yeah i use mplayer myself for audio and video |
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| 17:23.23 | mordy | actually i'm planning on getting rid of KDE |
| 17:23.36 | mordy | aptitude remove kde* would do the trick? |
| 17:23.38 | craigevil | smplayer is nice because it remember where the video was playing at, so if you have to restart a movie it starts from where it left off |
| 17:23.43 | stoned | no |
| 17:23.46 | stoned | it won't |
| 17:23.59 | cahoot | mordy: try /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 17:23.59 | stoned | aptitude remove kde will |
| 17:24.18 | mattinator | So I tanked my install when I tried to move from etch to lenny. |
| 17:24.27 | stoned | mattinator, oops! |
| 17:24.30 | mattinator | lol yeah |
| 17:24.37 | stoned | mattinator, so whats the problems? |
| 17:24.49 | mattinator | won't open udev |
| 17:24.53 | mattinator | During boot |
| 17:25.04 | mattinator | Apt was pissed off about how I had python and perl setup |
| 17:25.14 | mattinator | So i don't think it installed anything the right way |
| 17:25.22 | mattinator | And then just gave up halfway though |
| 17:25.33 | stoned | backup your data, reinstall, save time and hassle |
| 17:25.39 | mattinator | Indeed |
| 17:25.48 | mattinator | It was definitely a learning experience |
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| 17:26.00 | mattinator | Luckily I don't have any important-ish data on it |
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| 17:26.11 | mordy | always more fun to fix a broken install |
| 17:26.14 | cahoot | so it wasn't really etch but *tch? |
| 17:26.23 | stoned | bitch? |
| 17:26.29 | mattinator | Well |
| 17:26.30 | stoned | itch? |
| 17:26.43 | mattinator | It was like on Startrek |
| 17:26.47 | cahoot | ~tch? |
| 17:26.58 | mattinator | When the beaming equipment malfunctioned |
| 17:27.06 | mattinator | And it turned the people into mutants that died |
| 17:27.13 | mattinator | That's what happened to my computer |
| 17:27.13 | mordy | WINETCH32.EXE? |
| 17:27.18 | mattinator | lol |
| 17:27.21 | mattinator | Something like that |
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| 17:27.40 | stoned | or when you beam, your ass doesn't go with you, or you come with your elbow coming out of your face... "we hit some turbulance on the way" |
| 17:27.55 | mordy | !definately |
| 17:27.55 | dpkg | Try definitely dumbass |
| 17:28.01 | pleed | I ve got a dom0 which has a crypt_root=/dev/sdax , now when creating domUs they also try to open a crypt device which doesnt exist for the domU. why does it do that? |
| 17:28.02 | mattinator | lol |
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| 17:28.31 | mordy | @turbulance |
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| 17:29.21 | stoned | Kharbooza |
| 17:29.27 | stoned | damn |
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| 17:30.45 | stoned | pleed, you have have to be patient for that answer |
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| 17:31.07 | pleed | stoned: i am |
| 17:31.20 | stoned | pleed, also try the mailing list, forums as well |
| 17:31.26 | stoned | if here fails |
| 17:31.41 | stoned | pleed, there is also ##linux |
| 17:31.56 | stoned | (just to increase your chances for a good response) |
| 17:32.42 | mordy | i'd use the mailing lists more often if i had the patience |
| 17:32.49 | mordy | but it's very interesting to read them |
| 17:33.56 | stoned | mordy, get on the train, come over my house |
| 17:33.57 | blast_hardcheese | Hey, I'm running 2.2.19, for some reason apt-get update fails with a segfault; |
| 17:34.03 | pleed | stoned: thanks |
| 17:34.04 | stoned | mordy, I'll show you some stuff |
| 17:34.17 | stoned | mordy, hopstop.com I'll give you my addy in private |
| 17:34.18 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: 2.2.19 of what ? |
| 17:34.27 | mattinator | I guess the kernel? |
| 17:34.29 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: The Linux kernel |
| 17:34.32 | stoned | wow |
| 17:34.32 | blast_hardcheese | I suspect this is a RAM related issue, do I just need more ram? |
| 17:34.33 | stoned | 2.2 |
| 17:34.35 | stoned | wow |
| 17:34.36 | mattinator | yiikes |
| 17:34.41 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: uh .. sarge? |
| 17:34.44 | stoned | thats like early sarge |
| 17:34.46 | abrotman | wait .. no .. woody |
| 17:34.47 | mattinator | That's like running Win98 |
| 17:34.51 | stoned | innit |
| 17:34.52 | blast_hardcheese | This is woody |
| 17:34.53 | stoned | wooody? |
| 17:34.55 | stoned | goddamn |
| 17:35.14 | stoned | you will be happy to know that those are not suported here anymore |
| 17:35.16 | mordy | stoned: i have three horns, twelve eyes and about 20 or so tentacles coming out of my 6th kneecap |
| 17:35.22 | stoned | oldstable, stable, testing are only supported here |
| 17:35.32 | blast_hardcheese | oh, how lame is that |
| 17:35.33 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, our advice will be for you to upgrade |
| 17:35.33 | cahoot | stoned: 2.2.26 is still there |
| 17:35.53 | blast_hardcheese | cahoot: I'm trying to get up to 26, but apt-get is segfaulting |
| 17:36.03 | stoned | cahoot, oldstable = sarge, stable = etch, testing = lenny, nothing else is supported here |
| 17:36.10 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: show us your sources.list and the error you're getting .. use a pastebin |
| 17:36.30 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, we can help upgrade you |
| 17:36.31 | stoned | :) |
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| 17:36.38 | mattinator | blast_hardcheese, What kind of computer are you working with? |
| 17:36.45 | blast_hardcheese | All I have in my sources.list is http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main |
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| 17:37.11 | blast_hardcheese | mattinator: A PC110 |
| 17:37.14 | stoned | uhm woddy to stable == problems I would imagine |
| 17:37.21 | stoned | try woody to sarge to etch perhaps? |
| 17:37.25 | stoned | or reinstall etch? |
| 17:37.27 | Octalot | blast_hardcheese: are you trying to get to 2.2.26 or 2.6.26 ? |
| 17:37.29 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, yeah, terms have changed I guess |
| 17:37.32 | blast_hardcheese | 2.2.26 |
| 17:37.35 | mattinator | PC 110? |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: that's why |
| 17:37.47 | abrotman | !tell blast_hardcheese about archive |
| 17:37.52 | cahoot | blast_hardcheese: that's stamina |
| 17:38.07 | stoned | cahoot, so what, I have a potato! |
| 17:38.15 | stoned | and it still runs on two legs! |
| 17:38.25 | stoned | on a old 486 |
| 17:38.26 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, I see |
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| 17:38.38 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: so you'll have to use the archive to get the woody 2.4 kernel in place .. then go to sarge (on the archive also) .. then get sarge's 2.6 in place .. then go to etch |
| 17:38.42 | mattinator | PC110 == Penitum 110mhz? |
| 17:38.56 | abrotman | no such thing |
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| 17:39.01 | mattinator | That's what I thought |
| 17:39.04 | stoned | well abrotman described my plan in more detail but thats bascially the way to go |
| 17:39.05 | abrotman | IIRC it went 100->120 |
| 17:39.10 | stoned | 133? |
| 17:39.16 | cahoot | stoned: for some reason I believe blast_hardcheese is more serious about nte matter |
| 17:39.16 | abrotman | there was a 120 also IIRC |
| 17:39.29 | mattinator | That's why I'm confused |
| 17:39.30 | stoned | nte? |
| 17:39.34 | cahoot | the |
| 17:39.35 | stoned | oh |
| 17:39.40 | stoned | as am I |
| 17:39.46 | cahoot | okok |
| 17:39.47 | mordy | google pc110 |
| 17:40.05 | mordy | it's a very old but apparently still popular ibm palmtop |
| 17:40.09 | blast_hardcheese | Oh that's much nicer, archive.debian.org is zippy |
| 17:40.13 | mattinator | pfffft |
| 17:40.24 | stoned | hey! |
| 17:40.28 | stoned | quit spittin o me! |
| 17:40.31 | mattinator | What's the point of that |
| 17:40.51 | blast_hardcheese | mordy: Yep, It was a gift from a friend of mine, we're both into obscure but fun hardware |
| 17:41.02 | mordy | sounds like something i'd enjoy actually |
| 17:41.11 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, CompuAdd Laptop, 25.33mhz, 4mb ram, 80mb hdd, 3.5floppy ;) |
| 17:41.15 | stoned | 2400 baud modem |
| 17:41.20 | stoned | the most amazing machine I ever had |
| 17:41.20 | mordy | but i already have probably the smallest full-featured pc available |
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| 17:41.22 | stoned | it still runs! |
| 17:41.33 | mattinator | blast_hardcheese, You're going to probably want a smaller distro than debian |
| 17:41.39 | blast_hardcheese | I had it disassembled and reassembled within the first 12 hours of receiving it ;) |
| 17:41.48 | pk_ | How is it possible to rename an interface ? I'd like to refer to my wlan0 as eth0 |
| 17:41.50 | blast_hardcheese | mattinator: Possibly, I've got a 2GB CF card in it, |
| 17:41.51 | aoliveira | stoned: bullshit |
| 17:41.55 | mattinator | lol |
| 17:42.00 | mattinator | Tha'ts awsome |
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| 17:42.03 | mattinator | That's* |
| 17:42.06 | cahoot | pk_: try /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 17:42.30 | stoned | aoliveira, ok. |
| 17:42.32 | stoned | if you say so |
| 17:42.33 | mattinator | I thought the 486 SX was the one without the "math co processor" |
| 17:42.41 | tomb0y | can someone refer me to a good howto on converting my linux system from ide to sata. |
| 17:42.48 | blast_hardcheese | mattinator: I believe that is the case |
| 17:42.52 | blast_hardcheese | At least the FPU |
| 17:42.55 | abrotman | it is |
| 17:42.56 | stoned | tomb0y, don't really need a tutorial howto |
| 17:43.02 | blast_hardcheese | Let me look at /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:43.05 | stoned | tomb0y, its just normal regular stuff |
| 17:43.06 | mordy | tomb0y, what do you mean 'converting'? |
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| 17:43.49 | mordy | unless you have an old kernel, which may not support sata, but don't know |
| 17:43.52 | stoned | tomb0y, just install the sata disks, mirror your disks or dd em over or just reisntall if you want but shoudln't have to then you'd have to modify your stuff to sda instead of hda etc. cuz sata is read as scsi i |
| 17:44.00 | pk_ | cahoot: thx |
| 17:44.10 | tomb0y | mordy: well what ive done is created partitions on the new sata drive, mounted it, cp -a all paths except /proc and some /sys files, updated the grub file on new partition to be sda instead of hda, updated fstab as well, and i just get a blinking cursor now if i boot off the sata drive |
| 17:44.11 | aoliveira | stoned: haha |
| 17:44.11 | troubled | mattinator: think so, and the DX was with it. although I think you could get 487's as an addon after the fact for the fpu |
| 17:44.22 | stoned | aoliveira, ignored |
| 17:44.25 | stoned | g'bye |
| 17:44.43 | mordy | tomb0y, the blinking cursor is before or after grub? |
| 17:44.51 | tomb0y | mordy: before, grub doesnt load. |
| 17:45.16 | mordy | hmmm |
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| 17:45.56 | SQlvpapir | thank god for pipes |
| 17:45.58 | mordy | did you run install-grub on the disk? |
| 17:46.02 | jpinx | Can anyone tell me if I will be able to do a netinstall on this old dialup connection? I have the netinstall CD to get it started, but no packages on it |
| 17:46.03 | stoned | SQlvpapir, YOU SAID IT MAN!! |
| 17:46.07 | mattinator | lol |
| 17:46.12 | mordy | update-grub just updates menu.lst - i don't think it writes it to the mbr |
| 17:46.18 | mattinator | The PC110, the original netbook? |
| 17:46.20 | stoned | pipes are awesome ;) |
| 17:46.22 | SnoFox | How do I purge the DNS cache? Equvallent to ipconfig /flushdns on Windows. |
| 17:46.31 | tomb0y | what im not sure about is the root(hd0,0) line if thats same whether ide or sata. |
| 17:46.34 | mordy | i still enjoy cigarettes better |
| 17:46.40 | abrotman | SnoFox: can't |
| 17:46.43 | blast_hardcheese | mattinator: It's amazing, http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/images/2007/07/19/pc110.jpg |
| 17:46.44 | aoliveira | jpinx: if you have a lot of patience |
| 17:46.45 | mordy | tomb0y, it's the same |
| 17:46.46 | stoned | bbl |
| 17:46.48 | blast_hardcheese | It fits in my jacket pocket |
| 17:46.49 | stoned | *out* |
| 17:47.00 | mattinator | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~awb/pc110.html |
| 17:47.04 | blast_hardcheese | Yep |
| 17:47.09 | mattinator | neat |
| 17:47.09 | SnoFox | abrotman: Then what do I do about this invalid hostname that I just fixed and can't connect to? |
| 17:47.14 | jpinx | aoliveira - patience is not an issue - knowledge is ;) |
| 17:47.22 | abrotman | SnoFox: it shold requery |
| 17:47.26 | tomb0y | mordy: let me try the grub-install, i did run grub, root(hd0,0) setup (hd0) exit |
| 17:47.30 | SnoFox | It doesn't. |
| 17:47.30 | blast_hardcheese | mattinator: It came with a 260MB PCMCIA HDD |
| 17:47.32 | abrotman | jpinx: yes you can, i've done it numerous times |
| 17:47.43 | mattinator | lol |
| 17:47.49 | mattinator | I remember PCMCIA HDDs |
| 17:47.54 | abrotman | SnoFox: nslookup busted.com dns.server.ip |
| 17:47.57 | aoliveira | jpinx: try to download 1GB with dial up connection |
| 17:48.05 | jpinx | abrotman - cool - how do I config the dialup during the netinstall process? |
| 17:48.10 | abrotman | aoliveira: what's wrong with it? i've done it tons of times |
| 17:48.11 | tomb0y | mordy: figure just mount the partition, chroot it, then grub-install ? |
| 17:48.16 | mordy | yeah |
| 17:48.28 | abrotman | jpinx: pppconfig after the install |
| 17:48.33 | aoliveira | it's insane |
| 17:48.50 | abrotman | aoliveira: you're the putz that put the ntpdate command in the /etc/profile .. you have no room to talk |
| 17:48.58 | SnoFox | Timed out. |
| 17:49.00 | troubled | heh |
| 17:49.09 | mordy | tomb0y, i don't think you need to chroot into the system in order to install grub though |
| 17:49.14 | jpinx | abrotman - ok - sounds very easy, but I've not done apppconfig before |
| 17:49.27 | aoliveira | abrotman: just a test in a vmware test machine |
| 17:49.33 | mordy | just do grub-install /dev/sd(a|b....) whatever your device name is |
| 17:49.34 | aoliveira | TEST |
| 17:49.40 | abrotman | putz |
| 17:49.51 | blast_hardcheese | lol ntpdate |
| 17:49.55 | stoned | abrotman, no namecalling |
| 17:50.02 | abrotman | jpinx: as long as it's a real modem, should be pretty easy .. |
| 17:50.05 | abrotman | stoned: no offtopic chatter |
| 17:50.22 | stoned | abrotman, do NOT call people names. |
| 17:50.26 | jpinx | abrotman - I only have the business-card .iso on CD, no packages |
| 17:50.30 | blast_hardcheese | mattinator: I'm going to try and do wireless net in my livingroom over IRDA |
| 17:50.36 | abrotman | jpinx: that may not work so well |
| 17:50.37 | mordy | lol |
| 17:50.47 | abrotman | stoned: do NOT chatter about offtopic junk .. |
| 17:50.50 | mordy | IRDA? that's like infrared? |
| 17:50.57 | blast_hardcheese | Not just like infrared |
| 17:51.04 | stoned | abrotman, this is not offtopic. Please refrain from namecalling. I will not say it again. |
| 17:51.06 | tomb0y | mordy: if i run grub-install /dev/sda1 it states cannot find GRUB drive for in it device.map |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | stoned: your drug habit is offtopic .. |
| 17:51.12 | mattinator | Man that is awesome |
| 17:51.13 | jpinx | abrotman any clues on how to make it work? |
| 17:51.16 | mordy | tomb0y, not /dev/sda1 |
| 17:51.20 | mordy | do /dev/sda |
| 17:51.24 | stoned | abrotman, please keep it on topic. Thank you. |
| 17:51.28 | blast_hardcheese | I've got a 3 Mitsubishi Pedions, a couple nice old PowerBooks, some of my newer machines also have IRDA |
| 17:51.35 | tomb0y | mordy: same issue |
| 17:51.36 | stoned | abrotman, also refrain from namecalling. |
| 17:51.38 | mordy | sda1 is a partition, sda is the device with the mbr |
| 17:51.42 | mattinator | I had a buddy that went to UT:Austin a few years ago |
| 17:51.48 | aoliveira | download 1GB with dial up connection |
| 17:51.50 | abrotman | stoned: so the next time you announce you're about to do more drugs .. i can ask the ops to ban you ? |
| 17:51.51 | mordy | tomb0y, edit device.map then |
| 17:51.56 | mattinator | And his roommate had all his computers pre-1993 |
| 17:52.00 | stoned | abrotman, please keep it on topic. |
| 17:52.04 | abrotman | oh poor baby |
| 17:52.09 | mordy | lol |
| 17:52.14 | blast_hardcheese | mattinator: That's awesome |
| 17:52.17 | mattinator | It was |
| 17:52.24 | blast_hardcheese | That sounds like my friend |
| 17:52.34 | abrotman | jpinx: you'll probably need at least the netinst .. i don't think the business card has the stuff to do it over ppp, but *that* is something i've not tried |
| 17:52.35 | mordy | tomb0y, grub-probe, grub-mkdevicemap etc. should do the trick |
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| 17:52.47 | aoliveira | it'll only take 3 day |
| 17:52.52 | mordy | although device.map is simply (/boot/grub/device.map, that is) |
| 17:52.55 | blast_hardcheese | I lent him a Celeron D 2.54ghz, with a gig of ram and a 500 gig HDD, it could have overpowered and backed up his entire house |
| 17:53.01 | abrotman | aoliveira: who cares .. that's his decision, not yours |
| 17:53.09 | tomb0y | mordy: yea i see, testing ;x |
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| 17:53.17 | jpinx | abrotman - ok - I'll go away and just try it. I'll report back ;) |
| 17:53.17 | aoliveira | with 3days he could get the cds |
| 17:53.22 | abrotman | it's way better now that apt supports resume .. |
| 17:53.32 | abrotman | or the servers do i guess .. whichever it is |
| 17:53.45 | jpinx | abrotman - thanks for your constructive help :) |
| 17:53.49 | simonrvn | apt always did? o_O |
| 17:53.55 | stoned | simonrvn, yup |
| 17:53.57 | SnoFox | Also, what the heck? I have to turn Caps Lock -on- to type in lowercase, and turn it off to activate all caps. |
| 17:54.10 | stoned | for as long as I've been using it, about 8 years |
| 17:54.14 | simonrvn | i remember seeing a partial/ in /v/c/a/archives since forever |
| 17:54.17 | mattinator | Yeah, it's pretty bad when your friends have cellphones faster than your main compter |
| 17:54.19 | blast_hardcheese | SnoFox: Your box is telling you to yell |
| 17:54.23 | mordy | tomb0y, after you're done, check the menu.lst on your system (the one you're using now) to make sure everything is in order |
| 17:54.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: when i was using .. slink i was at uni, and netscape was 14MB, and the uni model pool had a 3hr cut off .. guess how long it takes to download 14MB on a 14.4 modem :) |
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| 17:54.37 | SnoFox | The box is my desktop. O.o |
| 17:54.48 | SnoFox | Last time I yelled at it, it BSoD. So I put Debian on it. |
| 17:54.49 | abrotman | thinks it was slink |
| 17:54.52 | simonrvn | abrotman: longer than that ;) |
| 17:54.52 | blast_hardcheese | mattinator: Totally, I'm considering SSHing to my iPhone in my pocket when I use some of my machines just so I can get some decent speed :D |
| 17:55.02 | tomb0y | mordy: got it to load grub now, though took a lil bit longer than normal, but now got grub error, but sure i can figure it out, saying cant find my kernel file |
| 17:55.11 | abrotman | simonrvn: then it must have been ftp.us.debian.org that didn't support it |
| 17:55.15 | mordy | tomb0y, do you have a kernel installed? |
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| 17:55.29 | mordy | or can you pastebin your menu.lst? |
| 17:55.44 | simonrvn | abrotman: i've been on since potato, maybe it didn't before when slink was stable? |
| 17:55.53 | abrotman | before potato :) |
| 17:55.59 | stoned | simonrvn, I been also on potato since |
| 17:56.00 | abrotman | !release history |
| 17:56.00 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. Squeeze comes after Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 17:56.05 | stoned | my grammar sucks, but there ya have it |
| 17:56.08 | abrotman | i don't think it was hamm |
| 17:56.40 | abrotman | though it's entirely possible given the time frame |
| 17:56.59 | stoned | abrotman, so you started using debian in 1999? |
| 17:57.07 | mordy | grub is the epitome of computer plumbing :| |
| 17:57.10 | abrotman | i didn't say that ... |
| 17:57.15 | stoned | abrotman, I'm asking... |
| 17:57.16 | aoliveira | Buzz Lightwear! |
| 17:57.18 | stoned | jeez. |
| 17:57.20 | abrotman | i don't remember when |
| 17:57.20 | aoliveira | hhahaa |
| 17:57.21 | mordy | or any bootloader lol |
| 17:57.29 | aoliveira | who is lenny? |
| 17:57.39 | abrotman | sometime at that particular Uni .. which was 97-00 |
| 17:57.45 | stoned | I remember the day I was told about it |
| 17:57.51 | stoned | abrotman, you're about a little older than I am |
| 17:57.58 | stoned | I was in highschool in 97 |
| 17:58.16 | abrotman | stoned: i wasn't in HS in 97 |
| 17:58.17 | stoned | I was told about debian in 2000 in college by a buddy who used to be in some hacker group called CyberArmy |
| 17:58.18 | tomb0y | mordy: yea i do. like i said i just copied everything over from an ide drive to a sata. only diff is the ide drive was 1 partition, and the sata is 3, first one being /boot |
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| 17:58.31 | stoned | abrotman, you were in college? |
| 17:58.39 | stoned | or jr. high? |
| 17:58.40 | stoned | lol |
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| 17:58.48 | abrotman | that doesn't mean i went straight from HS to *that* uni in 97 |
| 17:59.10 | mordy | tomb0y, can you pastebin your menu.lst? |
| 17:59.12 | stoned | I skipped two years in highschool, got into college two years early |
| 17:59.30 | stoned | I used to be very good, but then I started smoking pot |
| 17:59.43 | abrotman | yay .. more drug habit |
| 17:59.46 | stoned | *sigh* aahhh boy |
| 17:59.50 | mordy | lol |
| 17:59.56 | troubled | hmmm, I started on potato I think, yet my freenode reg says I was only here since 2005? :| |
| 17:59.57 | aoliveira | you wanna get high? |
| 17:59.59 | stoned | yay .. more slurs |
| 18:00.04 | blast_hardcheese | stayed away from pot for that very reason |
| 18:00.26 | mordy | everyone thinks i'm high. i'm not high, just nuts |
| 18:00.36 | stoned | troubled, cool |
| 18:00.37 | troubled | thats not right. Im pretty sure I came to freenode when I started using debian |
| 18:00.37 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic .. please |
| 18:00.43 | aoliveira | just a little high |
| 18:00.56 | stoned | troubled, me too, I used to lurk a lot then I got some nicknames registered and became regular in like 2002 |
| 18:00.57 | aoliveira | Toweliee |
| 18:01.18 | stoned | stoned, Nyle, dudeman, rectum, ajavid, LordOfThePings |
| 18:01.22 | stoned | etc.etc. etc. |
| 18:01.30 | mordy | you're nyle |
| 18:01.38 | stoned | yes. |
| 18:01.39 | abrotman | you forgot bongman or whatever that was for awhile |
| 18:01.49 | stoned | no.. i never had bongman |
| 18:01.53 | troubled | oh nm, nickserv says 2002. still though |
| 18:02.01 | abrotman | whatever you say |
| 18:02.17 | stoned | mandude, dudeman yes |
| 18:02.22 | stoned | but not bongman |
| 18:02.32 | stoned | I used to be known as bung too |
| 18:02.42 | stoned | bungnugget, bung, ungbay |
| 18:03.08 | blast_hardcheese | I just realized I've been listening to the music from Fourside on loop for the past two hours while I was configuring Debian |
| 18:03.20 | stoned | two hours to configure deb? |
| 18:03.22 | stoned | dang! |
| 18:03.33 | mordy | stoned, it's taking one hour on this stinkpad |
| 18:03.39 | blast_hardcheese | stoned: It took over 5 hours to try and get it installed |
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| 18:03.42 | stoned | oh damn |
| 18:03.47 | stoned | oh you're the guy with the 110mhz pc |
| 18:03.48 | bipolar | Oh my God... I've been registered with nickserv since 2001.... where the hell did the years go.... |
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| 18:03.49 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 18:03.54 | blast_hardcheese | 110mhz? |
| 18:03.55 | blast_hardcheese | I wish |
| 18:03.57 | blast_hardcheese | 33mhz |
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| 18:03.59 | mordy | don't know the processor, i think it's 800Mhz - p3 |
| 18:04.01 | stoned | damn! |
| 18:04.09 | blast_hardcheese | and 8mb of ram |
| 18:04.10 | stoned | 33mhz cpu?! you sreious? |
| 18:04.19 | blast_hardcheese | Yessir |
| 18:04.20 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, you're only slightly higher than my most prized possession |
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| 18:04.35 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, I told you before I had a CompuAdd laptop, 25.33mhz 4mb ram and 80mb hdd |
| 18:04.38 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:04.45 | SnoFox | o.o |
| 18:04.45 | blast_hardcheese | nice |
| 18:04.51 | blast_hardcheese | Ahahahahaha |
| 18:05.02 | blast_hardcheese | /proc/cpuinfo says I have "vme" as my only CPU flag |
| 18:05.11 | blast_hardcheese | hooray |
| 18:05.11 | simonrvn | bipolar: longer than i have =) |
| 18:05.13 | SnoFox | Okay, if production got down to 33MHz, what was the first available processor speed? |
| 18:05.22 | blast_hardcheese | SnoFox: uh... |
| 18:05.27 | bipolar | simonrvn: I'm getting old :P |
| 18:05.30 | stoned | first 16bit? |
| 18:05.40 | stoned | like 12mhz |
| 18:05.41 | mordy | you mean speedstepping, snofox? |
| 18:05.48 | stoned | as much as I remember anyway |
| 18:05.49 | SnoFox | mordy: I guess. |
| 18:05.50 | blast_hardcheese | moar like Hz |
| 18:06.00 | mordy | depends on how many steps you hahve |
| 18:06.05 | stoned | those were 4bit cpus way before that, I'm talking about 16bit cpus |
| 18:06.06 | blast_hardcheese | What was the machine you could build in Popular Mechanics? That seems like a good start for home computing |
| 18:06.12 | stoned | i think a z80 |
| 18:06.23 | bipolar | The intel 4004 was .74Mhz |
| 18:06.23 | stoned | I wasn't even born yet |
| 18:06.24 | stoned | :/ |
| 18:06.35 | stoned | im talking about 16bit cpus dangit! |
| 18:06.40 | stoned | not 4 bit |
| 18:06.41 | simonrvn | bipolar: every second ;) |
| 18:06.42 | blast_hardcheese | bipolar: nice |
| 18:07.08 | blast_hardcheese | .74Mhz makes my PC110 feel young ;) |
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| 18:07.21 | bipolar | stoned: the 8086 started at 5mhz I think |
| 18:07.21 | stoned | I now have a 3.5Ghz Core 2 ;) |
| 18:07.27 | blast_hardcheese | There's actually an overclock you can do to this machine, up to 40Mhz from 33Mhz |
| 18:07.38 | blast_hardcheese | I'm thinking of rigging a "Turbo" button |
| 18:07.40 | mordy | blast, whoa |
| 18:07.40 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, "Turbo" |
| 18:07.41 | mordy | lol |
| 18:07.41 | stoned | hahaha |
| 18:07.44 | blast_hardcheese | hahaha |
| 18:08.03 | blast_hardcheese | The instructions are awesome, |
| 18:08.04 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, there is also a ##hardware and ##electronics if you need it |
| 18:08.15 | simonrvn | bipolar: me: Registered : Apr 24 09:11:17 2002 |
| 18:08.40 | blast_hardcheese | "Desolder pins 15 and 16 on the clock generator chip, Solder pin 16 to space 15 on the board, bridge pin 15 to pin 10 but don't desolder pin 10" |
| 18:08.51 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, definitely ##hardware |
| 18:09.47 | blast_hardcheese | What else is really awesome is that it looks like this is the second revision, The PC100 (from what I can tell) only had minor revisions in hardware, They just took all the prefabbed mobos and refabbed them with slightly different chips and wires going everywhere... Hysterical. |
| 18:10.18 | trifler | erm I'm fiddling with dir_colors. I made a local copy in my ~ dir named .dir_colors and all i wanted is to change is the color of the folders from blue to red. How do I make the "change"? |
| 18:10.22 | trifler | and make it stick :S |
| 18:10.54 | SnoFox | Okay, seriously, something is being cached here. |
| 18:11.17 | SnoFox | All programs are returning the same IP for the hostname. That IP is not the new IP. |
| 18:11.19 | abrotman | trifler: did you copy the $LS_COLORS and change the one you wanted? |
| 18:11.25 | SnoFox | Even `nslookup`. |
| 18:11.35 | blast_hardcheese | SnoFox: Statically set in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 18:12.09 | SnoFox | blast_hardcheese: Nope. |
| 18:12.13 | SnoFox | blast_hardcheese: I just realized, it's probably my router? |
| 18:12.14 | blast_hardcheese | Worth a shot |
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| 18:12.27 | SnoFox | I dunno how to clear that, though. |
| 18:12.30 | SnoFox | DD-WRT... |
| 18:12.44 | simonrvn | when the timer runs out |
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| 18:12.54 | KiDFlaSh | hello |
| 18:13.00 | detective | hi all, could someone help me please? while booting, the system tolds me that /dev/sda6's superblock is corrupt. damn this is my home partition btw. so i tried efsck -b 8193 /dev/sda6, but it didn't worked, /dev/sda6 did not exist |
| 18:13.02 | KiDFlaSh | :D |
| 18:13.04 | simonrvn | olleh |
| 18:13.13 | trifler | abrotman: Yes and when i enter eval 'dircolors .dir_colors' it changes but only in that peticular term. |
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| 18:13.49 | simonrvn | trifler: shell rc; .bashrc or such |
| 18:14.32 | KiDFlaSh | !tell detective superblocks |
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| 18:15.06 | KiDFlaSh | !tell detective about superblock |
| 18:15.16 | trifler | simonrvn: Urm what? |
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| 18:15.43 | detective | KiDFlaSh: i know what a superblock is, dude |
| 18:15.54 | trifler | simonrvn: I've made an alias in my .bashrc saying that ls = ls --color=auto |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | detective: if you fdisk -l /dev/sda .. do you see your partition ? |
| 18:16.20 | simonrvn | yes. and you do the same for the $DIR_COLORS |
| 18:16.33 | simonrvn | (not an alias, just set it up there) |
| 18:16.36 | detective | abrotman: no only the extended partiton /dev/sda4 |
| 18:17.02 | detective | and swap and root partiton of course |
| 18:17.20 | trifler | simonrvn: Im sorry but I don't follow :S |
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| 18:18.01 | simonrvn | vim ~/.bashrc --> eval $(dircolors ~/yourfile) ; for example |
| 18:18.38 | mordy | is there a reason i can't see any other vt except the one that's running X? |
| 18:18.53 | amphi | mordy: you can't switch VTs? |
| 18:18.54 | mordy | am i missing a package needed for that? |
| 18:18.57 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:19.01 | mordy | amphi: i can, but it comes out blank |
| 18:19.22 | amphi | mordy: what video card? |
| 18:19.36 | mordy | hmm let me check, it's ancient whatever it is |
| 18:20.20 | trifler | simonrvn: Nice ty. |
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| 18:21.25 | stoned | man update to kde4 cost me more than i wanted it to |
| 18:21.45 | stoned | going back to sid from experimental... |
| 18:22.04 | stoned | just had to redownload kde3 all over again no biggy |
| 18:22.08 | aoliveira | any good? |
| 18:22.24 | mordy | amphi "Silicon Motion SM712" |
| 18:22.28 | mordy | lol |
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| 18:24.04 | mordy | and i can't get a resolution higher than 800x600 either, although the native is 1024x768 |
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| 18:24.37 | tomb0y | mordy: sorry for the delay, but heres my menu.lst http://pastebin.com/d1df1c396 |
| 18:24.48 | LemensTS | Hey all. Whats your choice on irc client for gnome |
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| 18:25.25 | mordy | tomb0y, your kernel is on the first partition? |
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| 18:26.32 | tomb0y | mordy: yes |
| 18:26.53 | stoned | LemensTS, Xchat |
| 18:27.00 | stoned | LemensTS, best of all ! |
| 18:27.07 | stoned | LemensTS, I really recommend you give irssi a shot |
| 18:27.20 | LastWho | hi |
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| 18:27.38 | stoned | hi LastWho |
| 18:27.49 | mordy | tomb0y, and grub says it can't find the kernel? |
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| 18:28.16 | pleed | I ve just created a debian system with debootstrap but the init process ends with "Starting periodic command scheduler: crond." , how can i get a login prompt? |
| 18:28.20 | tomb0y | mordy: yea, error 15 |
| 18:29.16 | mordy | tomboy, is there a "boot" directory in your first partition? |
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| 18:29.43 | mordy | i mean, it's looking for the kernel in that path, if the problem was anything other than menu.lst it would give you some other error |
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| 18:30.10 | tomb0y | mordy: great catch.. yea gotta remove that /boot ;x |
| 18:30.21 | mordy | tomb0y, don't remove it |
| 18:30.47 | jpinx | I started the netinstall and got to configuring the network, but there seems to be no way to configure a dialup. Anyone able to point me the right way? |
| 18:30.47 | tomb0y | theres no boot directory on that partition. that partition mounts to /boot |
| 18:31.11 | mordy | but it's not mounted until the kernel loads |
| 18:31.47 | mordy | so grub won't see the mount |
| 18:32.15 | mordy | tomb0y, alternatively, you can just change the path in menu.lst to say /kernel.... instead of /boot/kernel... |
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| 18:32.43 | mordy | but that may give you other problems, but it will at least gety you past grub. best thihng to do is make a /boot directory |
| 18:33.15 | LemensTS2 | stoned: cool im on it now thanks |
| 18:33.23 | LemensTS | nice |
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| 18:34.13 | stoned | uhm |
| 18:34.14 | stoned | who are you? |
| 18:34.20 | stoned | why are you talking tome? |
| 18:34.30 | stoned | oihh you're the irc client guy in gnome |
| 18:34.32 | stoned | nm |
| 18:34.54 | LemensTS2 | lol |
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| 18:35.26 | stoned | LemensTS2, you're welcome. xchat is awesome, irssi is the best. thats not an opinion, its a well known fact. |
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| 18:35.32 | stoned | :) |
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| 18:35.54 | stoned | in windows you have mirc, in linux you have these two, gui and cli, best of the best |
| 18:36.05 | LemensTS2 | cool, dont guess there is an etch package of pidgin...at least in the default repository |
| 18:36.13 | tomb0y | mordy: sweet all working. |
| 18:36.17 | mordy | lemens, think it's called gaim |
| 18:36.19 | stoned | i have no idea, it maybe called gaim |
| 18:36.34 | LemensTS2 | yea i seen that said it was the old pidgin |
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| 18:37.18 | ript1de | is there a windows installer for debian that'll auto resize a disk and play well with xp? |
| 18:37.25 | stoned | !debian.exe |
| 18:37.25 | dpkg | somebody said debian.exe was the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 18:37.30 | dante_2core | <3 irssi :D |
| 18:37.58 | ript1de | thanks stoned |
| 18:38.20 | stoned | ript1de, check the install guide as well, as for ntfsresize, I have no personal experience myself. |
| 18:38.26 | stoned | apart from failing always. |
| 18:38.35 | ript1de | i think this is fat32 |
| 18:38.39 | ript1de | so resize should be ok? |
| 18:38.45 | stoned | then you should be ok, just read the install guide |
| 18:38.54 | ript1de | cool |
| 18:38.55 | stoned | section 4 |
| 18:39.02 | ript1de | i actually might just use a livecd with gparted |
| 18:39.03 | ript1de | and install |
| 18:39.06 | ript1de | just a little lazy :D |
| 18:39.07 | stoned | or chapter 3 actually preparing |
| 18:39.18 | stoned | ugh. I can't remember anymore I used to read it long time ago |
| 18:39.22 | stoned | haven't had to read the install guid ein years |
| 18:39.50 | ript1de | stoned, i usually deboostrap |
| 18:39.55 | ript1de | but lately, no live cd has my wifi drivers |
| 18:39.59 | ript1de | (my pcmcia card broke) |
| 18:40.08 | abrotman | which wifi do you have ? |
| 18:40.09 | stoned | double whammy! |
| 18:40.09 | ript1de | so im using ghetto wifi |
| 18:40.10 | ript1de | bcm |
| 18:40.14 | ript1de | hey abrotman |
| 18:40.24 | abrotman | debian requires you to use the fwcutter |
| 18:40.33 | lastn0de | yeah |
| 18:40.38 | stoned | bcm43 or b43 which one is the one? |
| 18:40.40 | lastn0de | im just wondeirng how stable that fw is |
| 18:40.49 | lastn0de | last time it was bcm43xx |
| 18:40.51 | stoned | lastn0de, bcm43xx is very stable I use it |
| 18:40.52 | lastn0de | now it's b43 i reckon |
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| 18:40.54 | lastn0de | 4309 |
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| 18:40.59 | lastn0de | *4308 |
| 18:41.08 | lastn0de | stoned, i experienced a lot of signal dropping etc earlier |
| 18:41.13 | lastn0de | hopefully b43 has it resolved |
| 18:41.30 | stoned | lastn0de, I have a 4306 broadcom and I use packet injection patch for the driver in linux and do lots of neat stuff |
| 18:41.38 | stoned | its like, the best wifi i've ever used |
| 18:41.53 | Eulex | packet injection? |
| 18:42.00 | stoned | Eulex, mhmm |
| 18:42.02 | lastn0de | sounds l33t |
| 18:42.18 | lastn0de | can it be used to hack teh planet? |
| 18:42.23 | lastn0de | stoned, seriously, what patch? |
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| 18:42.26 | blast_hardcheese | HACK TEH PLANET |
| 18:42.31 | lastn0de | you've got me interested now |
| 18:42.31 | stoned | patch I found was for 2.6.18 but I had to transform it to 2.6.26 |
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| 18:42.59 | stoned | it lets you inject packets onto the network while in monitor mode |
| 18:43.06 | stoned | purely in monitor mode |
| 18:43.16 | lastn0de | so you can spoof MAC and stuff? |
| 18:43.20 | stoned | many things |
| 18:43.28 | mordy | there's an entire livecd dedicated to that stuff |
| 18:43.36 | stoned | yeh well |
| 18:43.37 | blast_hardcheese | Useful for generating one particular type of packet that is helpful for cracking WEP, but yeah, there are lots of them |
| 18:43.39 | stoned | nothing tops debian |
| 18:43.40 | xingu | lastn0de: bcm43xx is deprecated upstream |
| 18:43.45 | stoned | you can't fuck with debian :) |
| 18:43.51 | lastn0de | xingu, i know b43 is current right? |
| 18:43.59 | stoned | b43-fwcutter |
| 18:44.10 | xingu | ... and b43legacy, yes |
| 18:44.12 | blast_hardcheese | mordy: Yeah, I'm always amused when people ask me if I've heard of BackTrack |
| 18:44.30 | blast_hardcheese | Noob: "Omg, u dont need 2 know anything 2 h4x som1" |
| 18:44.31 | mordy | well, it was the first shot of linux i ever saw |
| 18:44.37 | blast_hardcheese | Me: *closes window* |
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| 18:44.48 | mordy | looking back at it, i find it silly, but hey |
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| 18:45.04 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, if one doesnt' know how to use the tools, what good are the tools? |
| 18:45.15 | stoned | blast_hardcheese, you still need knowledge and experience in order to utilize backtrack. |
| 18:45.27 | stoned | but thats neither here nor there |
| 18:45.29 | mordy | i managed to crack a wep network, the password was something stupid like 1234567890 |
| 18:45.32 | mordy | or something like that |
| 18:45.50 | lastn0de | is it worth getting a lenny livecd |
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| 18:45.56 | lastn0de | *install cd |
| 18:46.04 | dante_2core | lastn0de, depends on your hardware |
| 18:46.08 | stoned | lastn0de, yes. |
| 18:46.12 | lastn0de | no i eman |
| 18:46.14 | stoned | lastn0de, absolutely worth it. |
| 18:46.15 | lastn0de | i have an etch one |
| 18:46.18 | lastn0de | i can just dist-up |
| 18:46.26 | lastn0de | besides |
| 18:46.27 | blast_hardcheese | mordy: While I was being screwed by local ISPs I ended up cracking all of the WEP around my apartment and set up a box with a wlan card as a gateway, bridged my entire network through that for a couple weeks ;) |
| 18:46.29 | stoned | lastn0de, its the best debian yet. debian 5.0 lenny |
| 18:46.40 | mordy | ROTFL |
| 18:46.41 | dante_2core | lastn0de, I installed debian to an eeepc recently, and etch did not recognise any network stuff |
| 18:46.44 | stoned | lastn0de, you can do that too, if you don't mind installing over gain, use that |
| 18:46.45 | dante_2core | lenny did indeed |
| 18:46.48 | stoned | reinstall if you can |
| 18:46.51 | stoned | keep it clean :) |
| 18:46.55 | mordy | blast_hardchese, i did that too |
| 18:47.02 | lastn0de | stoned, just to clarify, ive used deb extensively beore :) |
| 18:47.13 | lastn0de | in case you were constructing an elaborate bait |
| 18:47.14 | lastn0de | :D |
| 18:47.17 | dante_2core | lastn0de, upgrading simply or installing a new debian there? |
| 18:47.18 | blast_hardcheese | mordy: xD |
| 18:47.20 | stoned | ? |
| 18:47.23 | blast_hardcheese | It's all good stuff |
| 18:47.38 | lastn0de | dante_2core, trying to find an easy way to resize my disk and install, ive got xp atm |
| 18:47.44 | blast_hardcheese | If only I had a high-powered cantenna, I'd crack all the WEP for a mile around |
| 18:47.44 | lastn0de | just got a new hard disk |
| 18:47.45 | mordy | gah, i hate dabbling with xorg.conf |
| 18:47.49 | lastn0de | after running for over a month with just puppy |
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| 18:48.02 | dante_2core | lastn0de, hmn... I got partition magic lying around for resizing windows stuff, and debian installcds for everything else |
| 18:48.11 | dante_2core | afk, gf |
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| 18:48.23 | lastn0de | partition magic ate my last disk really bad :( |
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| 18:49.10 | amphi | lastn0de: that's what it does, from what I hear |
| 18:49.17 | stoned | amphi, ! pin |
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| 18:49.29 | lastn0de | amphi? :) |
| 18:49.30 | amphi | pón |
| 18:49.42 | stoned | amphi, quick, teach me a word for today |
| 18:49.45 | mordy | well, maybe i see what the problem is now, it's using all the memory |
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| 18:50.08 | mordy | so maybe that explains why it's not showing anything on other vts? |
| 18:50.15 | mordy | maybe it's gnome? |
| 18:50.24 | stoned | what happens if you have no swap, and you run out of ram |
| 18:50.28 | amphi | stoned: arrgh, I'm tired - you'll have to make do with 'umbonate' |
| 18:50.31 | mordy | it starts killing stuff |
| 18:50.44 | amphi | stoned: the OOMkiller stalks forth |
| 18:50.55 | stoned | word! |
| 18:51.12 | stoned | random kills |
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| 18:51.52 | stoned | so im guessing it starts causing segfaults? |
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| 18:52.10 | amphi | stoned: no, processes start being killed |
| 18:52.10 | stoned | if meory thats been assigned is trying tobe written over and that causes kills? |
| 18:52.11 | stoned | or what? |
| 18:52.13 | stoned | oh |
| 18:52.23 | amphi | by the OOM killer |
| 18:52.32 | stoned | oh |
| 18:52.39 | stoned | I thought you were just tyring to be all dramatic and shit |
| 18:52.44 | stoned | oom killer is a linux thing |
| 18:52.45 | amphi | it happens if you have swap also, if you exhaust it |
| 18:52.46 | stoned | ok |
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| 18:53.09 | lastn0de | hey hold on |
| 18:53.15 | lastn0de | im on windows, so the firmware is here |
| 18:53.18 | lastn0de | if i copy the .sys file |
| 18:53.22 | lastn0de | and install deb |
| 18:53.26 | lastn0de | can I just paste it and go? |
| 18:53.50 | stoned | just use the fwcutter it will fetch the firmware from online |
| 18:53.51 | lastn0de | my prob is i have no access except wifi |
| 18:53.54 | stoned | oh |
| 18:54.04 | stoned | then in that case yes, save your driver file |
| 18:54.14 | blast_hardcheese | Man, 2.2.x is too fast for me, I'm thinking of upgrading to 2.0 or possibly earlier |
| 18:54.15 | lastn0de | and put it in |
| 18:54.24 | lastn0de | in /lib/firmware/? |
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| 18:54.31 | stoned | read the read me |
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| 18:54.45 | lastn0de | goes to have a chat with dpkg |
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| 18:55.39 | mordy | wtf? why isn't this disk being detected now? |
| 18:55.45 | mordy | it doesn't even show up in dmesg |
| 18:56.10 | sajes | mordy: Does the BIOS detect it at least? |
| 18:56.29 | mordy | ahh... disconnected and reconnected the USB huub and it did the trick |
| 18:57.04 | lastn0de | what kernel is in lenny? |
| 18:57.10 | stoned | mordy, so whats up today? |
| 18:57.14 | sajes | lastn0de: 2.6.26 |
| 18:57.23 | lastn0de | ok |
| 18:57.25 | mordy | stoned, nothing much - trying to finalize the install on this computer |
| 18:57.34 | lastn0de | and does b43-fwcutter ship with lenny? |
| 18:57.36 | stoned | mordy, you gonna come over? |
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| 18:57.51 | mordy | stoned, i haven't really gone outside ever since i landed here |
| 18:58.00 | lastn0de | is there a way to just copy the necessary files into /lib/firmware? |
| 18:58.03 | sajes | lastn0de: Nope, but you can get it from the repositories. |
| 18:58.04 | lastn0de | the docs dont seem to outline that procude |
| 18:58.05 | stoned | mordy, then the day has come |
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| 18:58.29 | goran__ | hi, can someone help me with sudoers file? i want to enable sudo command for just one user, but when it's run from localhost.. so that remote ssh login cannot exec sudo |
| 18:58.31 | stoned | mordy, I know 6 other debian people in queens :) |
| 18:58.32 | mordy | maybe a different day when the streets aren't full of slush |
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| 18:58.53 | lastn0de | sajes, can I just copy the firmware somewhere? |
| 18:58.54 | stoned | word |
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| 18:59.44 | sajes | lastn0de: I'm not sure, sorry. |
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| 19:00.09 | goran__ | anyone? |
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| 19:01.40 | mordy | what's a good de with low memory and a decent user friendliness? xfce is good, but is there anything else i should look at? |
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| 19:02.33 | Tekno | Hello |
| 19:02.33 | abrotman | xfce |
| 19:02.42 | Tekno | How do I adjust default WM ? |
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| 19:02.57 | Tekno | mordy: LXDE |
| 19:03.00 | kunwon1 | mordy, xfce takes the cake |
| 19:03.30 | adb | openbox |
| 19:05.32 | stoned | XPDE! |
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| 19:06.23 | amphi | !kill stoned |
| 19:06.24 | dpkg | mangles stoned with his teeth |
| 19:06.42 | Tekno | How do I choose which WM starts with "startx" ? |
| 19:07.23 | stoned | :) |
| 19:07.51 | stoned | Tekno, I think update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 19:07.54 | sk4 | is anybody setup poptop server and winxp clients? |
| 19:07.58 | mordy | is there a way to search within package descriptions with aptitude? |
| 19:07.58 | Tekno | stoned: i did that already... |
| 19:08.12 | stoned | Tekno, it didn't give you a list of selectable thigns |
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| 19:08.22 | stoned | Tekno, make an xinitrc in home |
| 19:08.24 | Tekno | stoned: it did |
| 19:08.31 | Tekno | and it had correct one |
| 19:08.40 | Tekno | but still it starts wrong wm |
| 19:08.56 | stoned | remove the wm |
| 19:08.59 | stoned | just keep xfce |
| 19:09.02 | S` | can anyone help me and sk4 with a poptop install? we got the vpn server to work... but once a client is connected from another location they can not do anything with internet through the vpn (internal ips can be pinged while connected) |
| 19:09.03 | sajes | Tekno: add 'exec start{whateveryourwmis}' to ~/.xinitrc, for example 'exec startkde'. |
| 19:09.15 | stoned | startxfce4 i think :) |
| 19:09.48 | Tekno | I am trying to get rid of xfce |
| 19:10.00 | stoned | oh |
| 19:10.07 | stoned | then remove it? |
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| 19:10.36 | Tekno | But how does it know to start LXDE |
| 19:10.41 | Tekno | I have gnome also... |
| 19:10.56 | stoned | I can't repeat myself man I'm too tired. |
| 19:10.57 | craigevil-eee | if you use gdm just choose lxde under Session |
| 19:11.06 | Tekno | I removed gdm |
| 19:11.12 | stoned | sartx will by pass gdm |
| 19:11.18 | stoned | startx* |
| 19:11.34 | Tekno | yea, but how do I configure startx to start LXDE instead of XFCE |
| 19:11.36 | Tekno | or gnome |
| 19:11.42 | stoned | you've already been told. |
| 19:11.49 | stoned | by two people |
| 19:11.56 | Tekno | removing XFCE is not an options |
| 19:12.00 | Tekno | -s |
| 19:12.26 | stoned | Tekno, see what sajes said, and what I said about xinitrc |
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| 19:12.44 | Tekno | ok i'll try that then |
| 19:12.59 | aoliveira | what is the difference from use the command init 0 and shutdown? |
| 19:13.01 | Tekno | my .xinitrc is empty |
| 19:13.01 | Daz | Hey people. Sorry for disturbing you.. I wondered if you might know if fluxbuntu will run off a usb flash drive, and if so, what I need to do to get it to. |
| 19:13.03 | Tekno | is it ok ? |
| 19:13.20 | stoned | Daz, ask #fluxbuntu or #ubuntu |
| 19:13.32 | Daz | Sorry, thanks. |
| 19:13.33 | mordy | gah, i still can't use any vt |
| 19:13.33 | craigevil-eee | Tekno: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager then choose startlxde |
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| 19:13.55 | stoned | now a 3rd person telling you... |
| 19:14.00 | mordy | ldxe does give the impression of being more 'lightweight' than xfce |
| 19:14.20 | Tekno | craigevil-eee: i did choose already |
| 19:14.23 | mordy | looks too much like vista though |
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| 19:14.26 | Tekno | still is goes with xfce |
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| 19:14.47 | Tekno | ok reboot -> |
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| 19:14.56 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 19:15.30 | craigevil-eee | http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian#No_display_manager.2C_use_startx |
| 19:15.49 | node36 | whats up |
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| 19:15.58 | aoliveira | xfce4 is lightweight and pretty good |
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| 19:16.23 | aoliveira | i dislike enlightment |
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| 19:16.56 | porter | xfce4 rocks hard |
| 19:17.13 | porter | just beautiful |
| 19:17.16 | mordy | it is |
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| 19:17.21 | aoliveira | when ive installed it, for a second i thought it was kde |
| 19:17.27 | soreau | 0o |
| 19:17.46 | craigevil-eee | buffers/cache: 256856 769788 < lxde with iceweasel running with 5 tabs including a couple flash tabs |
| 19:19.09 | Tekno | ok seems to work.. |
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| 19:19.22 | Tekno | but looks horrible |
| 19:19.28 | Tekno | need smaller dpi |
| 19:19.30 | Tekno | how? |
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| 19:20.06 | cahoot | set correct DisplaySize in xorg.conf? |
| 19:22.05 | Tekno | Do i have to measure my screen ? |
| 19:22.24 | Tekno | Or couldn't I just type 75 dpi to somewhere |
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| 19:22.45 | Eulex | you can compute what display size you need to set for a particular dpi |
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| 19:23.45 | Tekno | :( |
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| 19:24.20 | craigevil-eee | lxappearance and adjust the fonts |
| 19:24.46 | Eulex | Tekno, http://en.gentoo-wiki.zugaina.org/index.php/HOWTO_Set_DPI_(Dots_Per_Inch) |
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| 19:25.23 | newsense | how would one go about saving iptables rules, the doc i was pointed to says to run iptables save but that option is not recognized ? |
| 19:26.57 | cahoot | set correct DisplaySize in xorg.conf - a ruler yes |
| 19:27.45 | newsense | nm found it |
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| 19:30.25 | Tekno | cahoot: nothing changed |
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| 19:30.44 | Tekno | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.44 | Tekno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:32.40 | Tekno | any ideas ? |
| 19:32.46 | lummox | Hello. When I boot (etch) it shows the "Saving VESA state..." and then it does not continue anymore. What can I do? I used Fedora Linux some hours ago and there it doesnt happen so my computer should work with Linux. |
| 19:33.33 | lummox | and when I google for "Saving VESA state..." I can only find links to people using Ubuntu, lol |
| 19:34.17 | mordy | woot - this is exactly what i'm looking for http://www.debiantutorials.org/talkitup/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2119.0 |
| 19:34.23 | enouf | lummox: try some framebuffer options, or maybe acpi=off, and/or noapic |
| 19:34.45 | enouf | lummox: hit f1-f10 in the installer |
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| 19:35.28 | lummox | some Ubuntu user got his Linux to work with "noapic nolapic nodma acpi=off vga=771" but that sounds too much. |
| 19:35.40 | lummox | ok, I try these parameters, brb |
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| 19:36.24 | xingu | enouf: when he comes back: /etc/default/acpi-support: SAVE_VBE_STATE=false |
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| 19:37.12 | enouf | xingu: aha .. hrm .. never heard of it ;-) |
| 19:37.15 | S` | can anyone set up a poptop vpn server for me $100 |
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| 19:39.47 | hoxu | S`, no! |
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| 19:40.22 | enouf | Tekno: make an ~/.xinitrc, or a ~/.xsession file ... or is your lxde issue resolved? /msg dpkg xinitrc - and same for xsession - now, about your display see wiki.x.org and man xorg.conf if on Lenny or sid |
| 19:40.57 | jimpy | S`: have you even tried? |
| 19:41.12 | Tekno | enouf: yea its solved but dpi is too high |
| 19:41.19 | S` | jimpy; 11 people have tried to do it in the past week and all 11 failed |
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| 19:41.33 | S` | jimpy; ppl from this channel have tried just a few hours ago and can't do it either |
| 19:42.04 | enouf | !dpi |
| 19:42.05 | dpkg | well, dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 19:42.29 | jimpy | S`: what went wrong? |
| 19:42.30 | enouf | seems you've already been told |
| 19:42.40 | troubled | jimpy: he needs masq setup it seems |
| 19:42.41 | Tekno | dpkg: I added millimeters to xorg.conf |
| 19:42.41 | dpkg | Tekno: i haven't a clue |
| 19:42.54 | sharp15 | has anyone used lenny's ejabberd package? the server startup keeps failing here. even whith the default config files that aptitude/dpkg use to attempt server start. |
| 19:43.07 | enouf | Tekno: dpkg is a bot |
| 19:43.13 | troubled | enouf: shhhhh ;) |
| 19:43.17 | S` | jimpy; they all got to the point of having the vpn server allow other people to connect and authenticate (windows xp clients) -- but from there the clients can not do anything with internet though the vpn |
| 19:43.28 | troubled | !masq |
| 19:43.28 | dpkg | i guess masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 19:43.31 | maligor | I wonder why it uses millimeters when dpi is in inches :P |
| 19:43.34 | troubled | S`: ^^^ |
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| 19:43.40 | maligor | shouldn't it be in feet |
| 19:43.42 | Tekno | my serverrc : exec /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp |
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| 19:43.50 | enouf | troubled: i'm just tired of seeing newbs taking 4 - 6 tries before they figure it out .. too much line scroll ;-) |
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| 19:43.57 | enouf | lummox: <xingu> enouf: when he comes back: /etc/default/acpi-support: SAVE_VBE_STATE=false |
| 19:44.09 | troubled | enouf: still fun to watch turing test :) |
| 19:44.14 | lummox | ok, I try :D |
| 19:44.14 | enouf | heh |
| 19:44.19 | enouf | \o/ |
| 19:44.34 | S` | enouf / troubled -- if you're such experts i'll pay $200 if you get it to work |
| 19:44.35 | lummox | what does VESA State saving do at all? |
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| 19:44.48 | enouf | maligor: just eurotrash nonsense :-p |
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| 19:44.55 | S` | 11 people tried and failed |
| 19:45.00 | enouf | lummox: no idea - 1st i'm hearing about it |
| 19:45.02 | troubled | S`: keep the cash, i pointed you at the masq article |
| 19:45.27 | S` | troubled; mate i c/p stuff from that article into my server and it still doesn't work |
| 19:45.28 | jimpy | S` hmm did you enable ip forwarding and enable the tick box in xp "use remote gateway"? |
| 19:45.43 | S` | jimpy; yes |
| 19:45.53 | Tekno | I added -dpi 75 |
| 19:45.54 | Tekno | woho |
| 19:45.56 | Tekno | works |
| 19:46.19 | node36 | what is the best ftp to install? vsftpd, pureftpd, proftpd, iftpd ? |
| 19:46.21 | troubled | S`: can you answer these questions? -> What interface is your outgoing and what interface are the vpn clients coming from? |
| 19:46.24 | enouf | S`: a) you shouldn't be soliciting here - b) even though it might be valid, and worthwhile, personally - i can't do what you want (though i haven't tried :-P) |
| 19:46.28 | lummox | enouf, it is interesting. VESA is a BIOS extension(?) and before the "Saving VESA state..." message comes the system also says something like "cat /lib/acpi/...-bios: file not available". So maybe it tries to get some info via ACPI which is required for "save vesa state". |
| 19:46.41 | mordy | gah, the kernel doesn't boot when it's on battery power |
| 19:47.02 | enouf | lummox: yes, buggy BIOSes and their crappy OEM ACPI DSDTs and such |
| 19:47.11 | lummox | oh |
| 19:47.12 | node36 | im getting 10Kib/sec transfers with small files and sFTP, i am going to try setting up regular ftp. but need advice which one to try. |
| 19:47.23 | troubled | S`: if you dont know that info, you wouldnt be able to complete the actualy iptables rule for masquerading |
| 19:47.26 | enouf | maligor: i think.. hrm .. look at the /etc/acpi/* scripts? |
| 19:47.27 | jimpy | S`: how about with the "use remote gateway" disabled could you a) still use the net and b) access clients on the vpn servers local network? |
| 19:47.30 | lummox | I reboot. |
| 19:47.33 | S` | troubled; eth0:1-150 are all the ips on my dedicated server -- the clients them self come from all over the world |
| 19:48.01 | troubled | S`: what netmask? |
| 19:48.02 | maligor | mordy, see what enouf said to me :P |
| 19:48.11 | mordy | lol |
| 19:48.19 | mordy | this is ibm |
| 19:48.24 | mordy | but let me do a memcheck |
| 19:48.34 | troubled | S`: if your isp gave you 150 real IP's, you wouldnt need to masq, but more likely they are just rfc1918 ip's in the 192.168 or 10.x.x.x range |
| 19:48.37 | S` | troubled; the client's netmasks? anything from 12.* to 221.* |
| 19:48.50 | S` | troubled; i purchased 150 real ips |
| 19:48.57 | troubled | S`: no, the ip range your vpn gives out |
| 19:49.13 | S` | no range, i purchased the ips in different class A-B-C-D's |
| 19:49.16 | node36 | is it good to mask your ip for google indexing? if you have many sites on one ip? |
| 19:49.19 | troubled | ah |
| 19:49.32 | enouf | maligor: oh .. heh , sorry |
| 19:49.39 | troubled | S`: is the vpn server giving out those ip's to people? or 192.168 ones? |
| 19:49.52 | mordy | gah, what's wrong? the kernel refuses to boot now |
| 19:49.55 | enouf | mordy: throw that hunk o junk craptop in the trash :-p |
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| 19:50.02 | jimpy | node36: i dont think it makes any difference |
| 19:50.04 | S` | troubled; sk4 set it up to give the internet ips to people right now |
| 19:50.10 | mordy | lol it's not mine |
| 19:50.23 | node36 | jimpy: i think it might. google is changing rapidly lately. they penalize things for no reason. |
| 19:50.26 | IP-v6 | hello everybody! I'm newbie, how i can stop apache without using rcconf ? |
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| 19:50.34 | troubled | S`: and its eth0 that is your outbound internet interface? |
| 19:50.39 | S` | yes |
| 19:50.57 | troubled | S`: forwarding enabled on it as well? |
| 19:51.02 | Industrial | Hi. I installed apache2 and my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty, even after restarting apache. I'm wondering where my config is :p |
| 19:51.14 | enouf | IP-v6: you mean at startup? man update-rc.d |
| 19:51.26 | enouf | IP-v6: or just /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 19:51.38 | enouf | or whatever the scriptname is |
| 19:51.52 | IP-v6 | it's stopping apache but when I reboot my pc apache runs again |
| 19:52.04 | enouf | IP-v6: right - so |
| 19:52.08 | enouf | !sysv-rc |
| 19:52.08 | dpkg | This pkg is for booting, shutting down and changing runlevels, configured through the symbolic links in /etc/rc?.d/ :: Do "zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz". It includes update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d for high customization/config of runlevel scripts at any time. Ask me about <sysv-rc-conf>, the TUI front end tool for sysv-rc. Ask me about <update-rc.d>, <rcconf>, <runlevels>, <services> ...or |
| 19:52.10 | troubled | S`: also, got a pastebin for your vpn daemon logs? |
| 19:52.14 | enouf | !update-rc.d |
| 19:52.14 | dpkg | hmm... update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 19:52.53 | virhilo_s | what's wrong? http://rafb.net/p/Ki46zY84.html |
| 19:53.04 | enouf | virhilo_s: don't cold paste |
| 19:53.14 | jimpy | IP-v6: in a nutshell there are links in the /etc/rc1.d rc2.d rcn.d to the apache script in /etc/init.d they just need removing |
| 19:53.22 | virhilo_s | enouf: ? |
| 19:53.34 | enouf | Industrial: for some reason, i think that's a apache1 file? man a2enmod |
| 19:53.54 | IP-v6 | thanks |
| 19:54.02 | Industrial | enouf: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? |
| 19:54.07 | Industrial | the file exists, its empty. |
| 19:54.13 | enouf | ok |
| 19:54.30 | virhilo_s | enouf: you mean i should paste all sysctrl.conf file? |
| 19:54.44 | enouf | virhilo_s: no, .. i mean tell us about your issue |
| 19:55.02 | enouf | and the filename is sysctl.conf - no 'r' |
| 19:55.54 | Fenor | Hello guys I have x-session-manag listening on a port on my server with xfce4, is it normal ? thx |
| 19:56.04 | enouf | Industrial: what does httpd.apache.org have to say about it? also try debian-administration.org and wiki.debian.org |
| 19:56.46 | jimpy | Industrial: httpd.conf will be empty |
| 19:57.06 | Industrial | guess I got it (sites-enabled) |
| 19:57.12 | jimpy | Industrial: apache2.conf is the file you want |
| 19:57.18 | virhilo_s | enouf: so: what is the 'hierarhy' of that options if some option have 'all' for example: net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_source_route have higher priority than option with interface name for example: net.ipv4.conf.wlan0.accept_source_route ? |
| 19:57.21 | mordy | how can i reduce memory usage? strip down the kernel? |
| 19:57.26 | Industrial | guides like this one http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/modpython/#howto-deployment-modpython |
| 19:57.31 | enouf | dpkg: update-rc.d =~ s/rcconf/<rcconf>/ |
| 19:57.32 | Industrial | still refer to httpd.conf though. |
| 19:57.32 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
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| 19:58.34 | jimpy | Industrial: what does |
| 19:58.52 | enouf | virhilo_s: my point was .. almost nobody will look at a pastebin unless they have a reason to .. so, tell us what the problem is exactly .. but to answer that question you just posed, i'm not sure is my answer |
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| 19:59.22 | enouf | mordy: run windows 3.1 |
| 19:59.27 | mordy | lol |
| 19:59.28 | mordy | gah |
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| 19:59.33 | mordy | it's not that crapppy |
| 19:59.44 | jimpy | nevar! |
| 20:00.06 | jimpy | 3.1 was one of the best |
| 20:00.21 | enouf | mordy: apt-get --purge remove <any-and-all-bloatware - including DEs> |
| 20:01.02 | mordy | enouf, the target is a desktop user |
| 20:01.04 | mordy | so X is a must |
| 20:01.24 | virhilo_s | enouf: my problem(question) is: if the network options form sysctrl.conf file have .all. in name they should override those with the .interfece_name. in name ? |
| 20:01.29 | enouf | leave the X server, access it remotely with a client ;-) |
| 20:01.29 | mordy | what i like about this laptop is that it's sturdy |
| 20:01.38 | jimpy | mordy: is installing more ram out of the question? |
| 20:01.46 | amphi | mordy: what is it? |
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| 20:01.51 | mordy | jimpy, it's already at the max, 196 |
| 20:01.55 | mordy | amphi, thinkpad 1171 |
| 20:01.56 | enouf | virhilo_s: good question ... |
| 20:02.00 | mordy | thinkpad i* |
| 20:02.02 | jimpy | mordy: blimy that machines ancient |
| 20:02.04 | enouf | virhilo_s: i don't know though ;-) |
| 20:02.09 | amphi | mordy: stinkpads FTW |
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| 20:02.27 | enouf | !start a craptop war! |
| 20:02.30 | amphi | mordy: but that is quite long in the tooth |
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| 20:02.52 | mordy | llol |
| 20:03.13 | amphi | is that pronounced in the welsh or the spanish manner? |
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| 20:04.37 | virhilo_s | enouf: I thinked it should, but as you can see in my example(http://rafb.net/p/Ki46zY84.html) it doesn't:< it's confusing becouse some options do it O_o for example: 'rp_filter' option |
| 20:04.53 | virhilo_s | so anybody know a good source to read aboat it? |
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| 20:05.35 | enouf | virhilo_s: you might get better responses from ##kernel, or ##networking, or try even #iptables, or maybe #kernelnewbies on irc.debian.org |
| 20:05.49 | flacom | hello, I'm install debian from a iso cd, but is stuck in 33% of the partition formating... I reestart the installar but is the same... any ideas? |
| 20:06.16 | enouf | flacom: which ISO exactly? |
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| 20:06.35 | flacom | enouf, debian-40r5-amd64-CD-1 |
| 20:06.36 | mordy | well, this has the system bell |
| 20:06.39 | enouf | flacom: which ARCH? and what's your hardware? |
| 20:06.57 | enouf | clocks mordy with big ben |
| 20:06.59 | Industrial | Question: I installed python2.5 but apparently the package python (2.4) is also installed. This doesnt conflict? my webserver picks 2.4 by defualt but I just want 2.5 |
| 20:07.14 | flacom | enouf, intel mini-itx DG45FC board, intel core2duo 2.66 6MB cache L2, 2 GB ram |
| 20:07.21 | virhilo_s | enouf: ok |
| 20:07.22 | mordy | lol |
| 20:07.32 | flacom | enouf, 160 GB sata 2.5 disk |
| 20:07.38 | jimpy | Industrial: have you got the correct apache module installed? |
| 20:08.00 | sylarrr | I need some linux on usb the smallest and fastest to download |
| 20:08.18 | sylarrr | and one that can be made without linux |
| 20:08.20 | Industrial | jimpy: libapache2-mod-python |
| 20:08.56 | jimpy | kewl and the handler is set up to use that module? |
| 20:09.34 | jimpy | (scripts that you want python 4 to use will need a different extension |
| 20:09.51 | jimpy | s/4/2.4 |
| 20:11.31 | Industrial | the only thing I want to do (so far) with python is run a django app. this is my /etc/apache/sites-enabled/000-default: http://pastey.net/104725 and it runs at http://corporate.haatik.nl/ with the packages apache2 and libapache2-mod-python. I also have the package python2.5 installed. |
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| 20:11.48 | Industrial | apparently libapache2-mod-python is for python2.4 or i need to tell it to use 2.5? |
| 20:11.50 | craigevil-eee | sylarrr: take a look at http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:12.07 | mordy | maybe i should install an older version of debian on this? |
| 20:14.34 | xingu | shames mordy with an eee pc |
| 20:14.42 | Industrial | jimpy: ^ |
| 20:15.08 | jimpy | Industrial: i cant see a package for python 2.5 and its not out of the question that it may allow you to select the engine |
| 20:15.09 | mordy | xingu - i just want to get this working properly |
| 20:15.20 | mordy | i've got a few other PCs hanging around |
| 20:15.33 | mordy | not that an eee would do much better |
| 20:15.39 | xingu | mordy: it's a bit on the feeble end for today's footprint for anything more than basic packet punting |
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| 20:15.54 | xingu | mordy: eee's tend to have .5-1GB memory ;) |
| 20:16.01 | mordy | well, true |
| 20:16.16 | jimpy | Industrial: does it say anything in mods-available/python.conf (or something similar) |
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| 20:16.52 | Industrial | theres only a .load file, no config |
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| 20:17.34 | mordy | yeah, i need to find a way to trim down the memory usage |
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| 20:17.42 | mordy | how much would a minimal kernel save me? |
| 20:18.10 | pipcookie | Not a lot. |
| 20:18.34 | mordy | in terms of MB |
| 20:18.47 | jimpy | Industrial: just 1 sec |
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| 20:18.59 | Industrial | sure |
| 20:19.25 | pipcookie | mordy, the kernel isn't the pig. If you run X, *that* can be a pig. |
| 20:20.19 | jimpy | Industrial: http://packages.debian.org/etch/libapache2-mod-python - I dont think mod-python for 2.5 has made it in to stable yet |
| 20:20.59 | mordy | i think windoze uses less memory |
| 20:21.14 | mordy | but it's hard for me to believe that X has always been using up that much memory |
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| 20:24.09 | sylarrr | where do I download lenny minimal cd? |
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| 20:24.31 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 20:24.31 | dpkg | 4.0r6 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
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| 20:25.12 | enouf | flacom: sorry, had phonecall |
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| 20:25.36 | peleg | How come I get two different ips when trying to dig and to nslookup a domain name? |
| 20:25.54 | enouf | flacom: hrm .. i can't think why that would happen, are you choosing weirdo partitioning schemes? |
| 20:26.04 | sylarrr | abrotman, that has nothing about testing |
| 20:26.07 | xingu | peleg: "round robin" dns |
| 20:26.18 | peleg | xingu, hmm? |
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| 20:26.29 | enouf | flacom: and .. before i forget - please use reportbug and file an installation bug report - details in the installation guide - thanks |
| 20:26.38 | xingu | peleg: see wikipedia. |
| 20:26.44 | peleg | ok, thanks |
| 20:26.54 | flacom | enouf, np, no... the most simple... I'm using the whole disk |
| 20:26.56 | enouf | flacom: would you mind trying the etchnhalf installer? or even try lenny? |
| 20:27.19 | abrotman | sylarrr: did you read each link ? apparently not |
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| 20:27.35 | flacom | enouf, I will try... I need to donwlaod the iso |
| 20:27.47 | enouf | flacom: sure, no prob |
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| 20:30.21 | enouf | flacom: thing is, wow, 4.0r6 is out now - if you can grab that, and want to try? thing is, all installation reports are helpful, but naturally when there are issues, hopefully each point release fixes the last ones .. and so, any devs would ask you to try the latest/daily images (just in case the issue has been resolved - debian BTS is where to look for prior issues) .. but don't worry about it - just grab the latest ISO of whichever you wa |
| 20:30.21 | enouf | try/use |
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| 20:35.12 | sylarrr | right abrotman , sorry, I am tired |
| 20:36.06 | sylarrr | does netinstall disk can be used to do in terminal like dd? |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | yep |
| 20:37.27 | newsense | when i run iptables-save i get cannot read /etc/network/iptables should i touch it dpkg -S /etc/network/iptables returns nothing |
| 20:39.09 | enouf | newsense: tried apt-file search ? |
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| 20:39.30 | enouf | newsense: which release/version of debian are you using? |
| 20:39.30 | newsense | enouf, nm i guess that command is supposed to print to stdout |
| 20:39.36 | newsense | lenny |
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| 20:40.03 | newsense | enouf, do you know how to save iptables rules added with iptables -A |
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| 20:40.44 | enouf | not offhand newsense - see #iptables? |
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| 20:41.20 | enouf | apt-file returned no results here too - on a mix of lenny/sid |
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| 20:41.43 | enouf | newsense: you have the iptables pkg installed? |
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| 20:42.13 | newsense | yeah |
| 20:42.15 | enouf | newsense: the .postinst script might create such a filename |
| 20:42.17 | enouf | oh |
| 20:42.32 | enouf | well then dpkg -L iptables | grep doc :-) |
| 20:42.37 | newsense | enouf, i think it was user error on my part |
| 20:42.44 | newsense | i got it saved i think |
| 20:42.59 | enouf | admitted pebkac? how rare ;-) |
| 20:43.08 | newsense | ill have to reboot to find out i guess or find out where the file is saved to and make sure it is indeed saved |
| 20:43.11 | amphi | newsense: iptables-save > blah no good? |
| 20:43.16 | newsense | yeah i admit it :) |
| 20:43.26 | enouf | and yet, delightful to see ;-) |
| 20:43.50 | newsense | yeah iptables-save did it haha |
| 20:44.09 | amphi | enouf: plokta is another one I like a lot |
| 20:44.18 | enouf | amphi: hehe |
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| 20:44.46 | enouf | sounds like a cajun soup :-P |
| 20:45.03 | amphi | hmm, dpkg seems not to know it |
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| 20:45.26 | enouf | amphi: i mean, only if Gumbo and Jerked Chicken could be ancronym-ized :-P |
| 20:45.50 | amphi | Gnumbo? |
| 20:46.03 | enouf | Jambalaya :-p |
| 20:46.40 | amphi | !plokta |
| 20:46.40 | dpkg | press lots of keys to abort |
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| 20:47.50 | newsense | ehh dns uses port 53 right seem to have blocked myself from dns access haha |
| 20:48.14 | lfaraone | Hi, I have a running debian system that is really badly borked and doesn't support netboot/cd/floppy install (anymore). Is there a way I can run the netinstall w/o boot media if I already have a semi-working debian system up? |
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| 20:50.18 | enouf | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:50.19 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 20:50.27 | jackweb | Hiho! |
| 20:50.43 | abrotman | lfaraone: debootstrap maybe |
| 20:50.53 | jackweb | I've got a following question: |
| 20:50.54 | enouf | fat chance |
| 20:51.08 | lfaraone | abrotman: Is there a way to get the nice debian-installer interface? |
| 20:51.13 | abrotman | lfaraone: debootstrap maybe |
| 20:51.30 | jackweb | How to check what dependencies a program has got (working with aptitude). |
| 20:51.41 | jackweb | s/[.]/?/; |
| 20:52.39 | enouf | depends |
| 20:52.49 | jackweb | yes :D |
| 20:53.09 | enouf | aptitude has no depends option? |
| 20:53.10 | lfaraone | abrotman: heh. |
| 20:53.32 | jackweb | enouf: are you asking me? |
| 20:53.35 | \amethyst | nope, I think you're supposed to use show with options |
| 20:53.36 | enouf | lfaraone: got windows installed as well? |
| 20:53.40 | enouf | jackweb: yep |
| 20:53.47 | lfaraone | enouf: no, only debian. |
| 20:53.54 | enouf | lfaraone: hrm... ok |
| 20:53.55 | lfaraone | enouf: I'd use unetbootin but I have no gui |
| 20:53.57 | jackweb | dpkg has got? |
| 20:53.58 | dpkg | jackweb: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 20:54.12 | \amethyst | jackweb: apt-cache depends packagename |
| 20:54.16 | enouf | jackweb: apt-cache depends <pkgname> |
| 20:54.25 | jackweb | enouf, \amethyst++ |
| 20:54.26 | enouf | !win \amethyst |
| 20:54.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, \amethyst! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:54.51 | enouf | \amethyst: obama? doesn't quite sound right :-P |
| 20:55.17 | \amethyst | They didn't say *which* US |
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| 20:55.43 | enouf | heh ... they .. the illuminatti ;-) |
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| 20:56.05 | jackweb | so.. thank you for the help :) |
| 20:56.13 | enouf | np |
| 20:56.38 | jackweb | #debian++ ;-) |
| 20:56.52 | enouf | !tell jackweb -about reference |
| 20:56.59 | enouf | good reading mate |
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| 20:57.17 | jackweb | :] |
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| 20:57.53 | jackweb | thanks |
| 20:58.01 | enouf | np |
| 20:58.10 | \amethyst | enouf: hm, is it normal that apt-cache depends doesn't distinguish versioned dependencies? |
| 20:58.31 | enouf | \amethyst: hrm .. i never noticed ... hrm |
| 20:59.43 | enouf | \amethyst: i would guess that it's not needed since one's cache will reflect the dependency versions |
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| 21:01.31 | scribeskul | Does anyone here use Exult on their Lenny box? (Front-End for old Ultima 7 games)? |
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| 21:02.33 | enouf | \amethyst: same behaviour for rdepends |
| 21:03.10 | \amethyst | I guess there's apt-rdepends -f= packagename but it's optional |
| 21:03.24 | enouf | \amethyst: i never figured out why some depends shown start with a | .. such like |education-desktop-other |
| 21:03.54 | \amethyst | enouf: those are continuation of or-dependencies |
| 21:04.32 | \amethyst | oh hm |
| 21:04.38 | enouf | \amethyst: apt-rdepends does show me verions |
| 21:04.44 | mordy | gah, i still can't get any vts to work |
| 21:04.51 | enouf | i was talking about apt-cache rdepends |
| 21:05.33 | enouf | \amethyst: i thought it was something like that - but those are usually tab-indented, no? |
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| 21:05.39 | \amethyst | enouf: hm, actually they're not continuations |
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| 21:05.53 | \amethyst | enouf: they're lines that *are continued* |
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| 21:06.38 | \amethyst | enouf: so that | at the beginning of the line means the *next* line should be joined to this one with an |; and the last item in a |-list isn't marked with a | |
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| 21:07.28 | \amethyst | enouf: indented lines are things that provide a virtual dependency I think |
| 21:07.29 | enouf | \amethyst: ahhh ... i understand now .. but have a gander at "apt-cache depends k3b" |
| 21:07.30 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1290375 |
| 21:08.02 | enouf | see the indented libgamin0? |
| 21:08.06 | \amethyst | enouf: yeah, libgamin0 Provides: libfam0 (though it's not virtual) |
| 21:08.43 | enouf | \amethyst: oh? .. hrm |
| 21:08.49 | \amethyst | and the dependency is wodim|cdrskip not zlib1g|wodim |
| 21:08.54 | \amethyst | cdrskin |
| 21:09.05 | \amethyst | ugly |
| 21:09.11 | enouf | \amethyst: so ,,, right |
| 21:09.35 | enouf | \amethyst: oh? ... grah |
| 21:09.39 | scribeskul | Quick Question: I'm installing an SVN snapshot of Exult...tar.gz package...common install is make, make install? |
| 21:10.01 | enouf | \amethyst: see - to me, that's bassackwards |
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| 21:10.27 | scribeskul | NM....found an INSTALL file |
| 21:10.35 | enouf | ding ding |
| 21:11.03 | enouf | scribeskul: also look and read any READMEs ;-) |
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| 21:11.27 | WebcamWonder | Guys. Quick question. I have to manually set the rts on my wireless card to 2346 instead of the default off on every system boot. Which run level should I put the script in to make sure it is executed after my wireless lan drivers are loaded? |
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| 21:12.17 | scribeskul | enouf: Thanks will do! haha! There's no way to regulate compiled packages nto apt-get, is there? |
| 21:12.20 | enouf | WebcamWonder: try rc.local |
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| 21:12.32 | enouf | scribeskul: regulate? |
| 21:12.39 | Flavio_Debian | how to install the driver of audio, more? |
| 21:12.44 | scribeskul | enouf: umm, list hehe |
| 21:12.48 | enouf | scribeskul: there are utils like stow and paco |
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| 21:13.12 | enouf | scribeskul: so if no make uninstall is present, you know what/where |
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| 21:13.23 | scribeskul | enouf:kool...gotcha! thanks! |
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| 21:13.48 | enouf | scribeskul: or .. you could build a .deb and install it .. but, if the pkg is not in debian, it's not trivial |
| 21:14.05 | WebcamWonder | enouf: Should that be /etc/rc.local or /etc/init.d/rc.local. I am guessing the first one. I am on Ubuntu |
| 21:14.15 | enouf | scribeskul: then you'd install the resultant .deb with dpkg -i and the pkgmanager will know about it |
| 21:14.22 | jackweb | bye :) |
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| 21:14.40 | Ricoshady | how do I disable processes like portmap properly |
| 21:14.43 | enouf | WebcamWonder: ask #ubuntu .. but read the contents ;-) it'll be clear |
| 21:14.48 | scribeskul | enouf: Does the package have to be made to build as a .deb, or is there a way to build any package as a .deb |
| 21:15.07 | WebcamWonder | enouf: Yeah. The channel is always flooded with people who know jack about anything :) |
| 21:15.13 | abrotman | Ricoshady: uninstall it if you're not using it |
| 21:15.25 | enouf | scribeskul: there are ways, but that's why you have good official debs ... and then you have the cruft :-P |
| 21:15.49 | enouf | Ricoshady: i just use rcconf |
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| 21:16.02 | Ricoshady | rcconf? |
| 21:16.15 | scribeskul | enouf: there is an official .deb of Exult 1.2, but some of the expansions I want to use are built for the 1.4 snapshot, which only comes as an SVN snapshot |
| 21:16.17 | enouf | Ricoshady: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 21:16.40 | enouf | scribeskul: i see ... well does the source contain a debian dir? |
| 21:17.33 | scribeskul | enouf: nada...I think someone ported it to .deb, as it is in 'contrib', but does not appear on the official website as a .deb |
| 21:17.48 | enouf | scribeskul: if you really want to learn about all this, /msg dpkg nmg and /msg dpkg package basics |
| 21:18.18 | sylarrr | that http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net doesn't work for me |
| 21:18.47 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.48 | Ricoshady | what process/program opens up port 113 "auth" |
| 21:19.08 | enouf | identd |
| 21:19.18 | enouf | xinet or whatever |
| 21:19.36 | enouf | inetd, i meant .. but it is an identity thing |
| 21:19.55 | Ricoshady | do I need it? |
| 21:19.58 | Ricoshady | I dont think do |
| 21:20.03 | enouf | judd: versions openbsd-inetd |
| 21:20.04 | judd | enouf: openbsd-inetd -- etch: 0.20050402-6 lenny: 0.20080125-1 sid: 0.20080125-2 |
| 21:20.15 | enouf | Ricoshady: i don't need it ;-) |
| 21:20.23 | Ricoshady | only net processes I need are ssh and apache |
| 21:20.39 | enouf | that's why you disable shit, rather than uninstalling .. alteast at first |
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| 21:21.17 | Ricoshady | I dont think ssh or apache depend on i |
| 21:21.18 | Ricoshady | it |
| 21:21.32 | Flavio_Debian | how to install the driver of sound in Debian? |
| 21:21.33 | abrotman | Ricoshady: just uninstall it .. aptitude remove portmap |
| 21:21.48 | enouf | stop |
| 21:21.53 | Ricoshady | abrotman I already removed portmap, onto inetd |
| 21:21.58 | enouf | don;t be a dickhead |
| 21:22.19 | abrotman | Ricoshady: it's not doing anything if nothing is enabled in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 21:22.20 | enouf | Flavio_Debian: which one? same as any other |
| 21:22.29 | Flavio_Debian | tested the most alsa not install the driver of sound |
| 21:22.45 | enouf | abrotman: then why is it running via default? |
| 21:23.08 | enouf | Flavio_Debian: which debian release/version? |
| 21:23.18 | Ricoshady | inetd by default runs identd it looks like |
| 21:23.23 | Ricoshady | I dont need either |
| 21:23.35 | enouf | we know |
| 21:23.43 | abrotman | enouf: it doesn't do anything |
| 21:23.54 | enouf | abrotman: good answer |
| 21:24.14 | LemensTS2 | . |
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| 21:24.36 | Flavio_Debian | enouf: I use Linux on my desktop debian etch 4.0 |
| 21:24.52 | lfaraone | If I do nc -v (along with other options) as part of a pipe, will the verbose output be passed along to the next process or will it be outputed to me via stderr? |
| 21:24.54 | enouf | !tell Flavio_Debian about alsa checklist |
| 21:24.59 | abrotman | enouf: because tons of things use it, when they need it |
| 21:25.04 | enouf | !tell Flavio_Debian about soundcheck |
| 21:25.51 | enouf | abrotman: wonderful .. and those pkgs' .postinst scripts can't just enable it when needed? |
| 21:26.06 | abrotman | uhm .. the openbsd-inetd scripts enable it .. |
| 21:26.09 | mhymn | enouf: maybe to let newbies learn how to remove a package? |
| 21:26.14 | enouf | abrotman: ... |
| 21:26.19 | abrotman | ... |
| 21:26.34 | enouf | mhymn: that's a better answer than i'm getting now :-) |
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| 21:26.45 | abrotman | why? because you don't understand inetd ? |
| 21:26.45 | mhymn | sure :P |
| 21:26.50 | abrotman | just freaking uninstall it then |
| 21:26.52 | enouf | abrotman: no, because you |
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| 21:27.05 | enouf | nm |
| 21:27.07 | abrotman | i understand it just fine .. you apparently don't even know what it's used for |
| 21:27.07 | Flavio_Debian | enouf: the model of my motherboard phitronics am2n1k-m |
| 21:27.08 | enouf | forget it - |
| 21:27.10 | WebcamWonder | enouf: I love you :). Thank you :) |
| 21:27.17 | enouf | WebcamWonder: :-) |
| 21:27.39 | enouf | abrotman: no you have no idea what you're talking about .. so stop |
| 21:27.49 | abrotman | enouf: really .. how is that? |
| 21:28.00 | sylarrr | how do I make a usb netinstall from windows? |
| 21:28.01 | abrotman | if you don't want it running, and nothing is using it, uninstall it |
| 21:28.06 | enouf | no |
| 21:28.13 | enouf | that's not even relevant |
| 21:28.16 | abrotman | yes, it is |
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| 21:30.33 | craigevil | sylarrr: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:36.21 | enouf | no, it isn;t |
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| 21:37.14 | zykes- | any way to view what options a loaded module has ? |
| 21:37.52 | enouf | Your answer as to why some unused service is running via default is " because tons of things use it, when they need it" .. which is just bullcrap and nonsensical |
| 21:38.15 | abrotman | yeah .. keep arguing things you don't understand |
| 21:38.18 | enouf | so ... installing and removing pkgs is IRRELEVANT |
| 21:38.23 | enouf | right ... |
| 21:38.49 | enouf | i don't argue, i make points .. sound ones |
| 21:38.58 | abrotman | apparently you do .. have fun |
| 21:39.26 | avu | sprinkles some love-dust over abrotman and enouf |
| 21:39.40 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it doesn't run by default. If no services are enabled, it doesn't run. |
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| 21:40.05 | enouf | dondelelcaro: if "no" services? can you clarify that? |
| 21:40.25 | avu | enouf, no services using inetd |
| 21:40.59 | abrotman | zykes-: with etch or lenny/sid ? |
| 21:41.06 | enouf | avu: and if no services are using Samba should it be running? |
| 21:41.20 | enouf | avu: and if no services are using portmap should it be running? |
| 21:41.39 | avu | enouf, no it shouldn't. that's why it doesn't. :) |
| 21:41.44 | enouf | right |
| 21:41.46 | avu | enouf, I don't see your point. |
| 21:41.54 | enouf | so why is openbsd-inetd running? |
| 21:42.04 | avu | 22:39 < dondelelcaro> enouf: it doesn't run by default. If no services are enabled, it doesn't run. |
| 21:42.31 | dondelelcaro | enouf: if you have services enabled, it'll be running; otherwise the default openbsd-inetd init.d script doesn't start it. |
| 21:42.45 | dondelelcaro | enouf: if you're talking about portmap, lots of things require it, but it only listens on localhost. |
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| 21:42.54 | dondelelcaro | (again, by default) |
| 21:43.12 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: nothing in the base system requires portmap, though |
| 21:43.18 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: sure it does |
| 21:43.24 | jelly-home | what does? |
| 21:43.26 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: nfs |
| 21:43.35 | enouf | that's my point .. maybe i'm mistaken |
| 21:43.35 | jelly-home | nfs is part of base system? |
| 21:43.51 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: the ability to mount NFS is |
| 21:43.52 | enouf | jabis: maybe for nfs-server booting? |
| 21:43.58 | enouf | bah |
| 21:44.00 | enouf | bad tab |
| 21:44.08 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: that's hardly a sine-qua-non requirement |
| 21:44.47 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: sure it is; nfs-common is Priority: Standard, which makes it part of the base system. |
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| 21:45.58 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I mean, a minority of users would be affected if it wasn't |
| 21:46.31 | enouf | ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep -i required | less |
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| 21:47.28 | enouf | oh, ~pStandard |
| 21:47.34 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's not like it's Essential: yes, or something. It's just expected to be there and working in your most typical install. What's "typical" is of course colored by history, but... |
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| 21:48.09 | enouf | dondelelcaro: does base-system == ~pstandard? or ~prequired or both + ~important ? |
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| 21:48.25 | dondelelcaro | enouf: there's no precise definition |
| 21:48.41 | Zvpun | How can I determine what packages recommend xserver-xephyr |
| 21:48.54 | enouf | er ~pimportant (as tasksel --task--packages standard shows).. ok |
| 21:48.58 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 21:49.35 | enouf | dondelelcaro: what about the Sarge and earlier era base-config (was it?) .. do you recall? |
| 21:49.38 | abrotman | Zvpun: aptitude why xserver-xephyr |
| 21:49.48 | abrotman | Zvpun: on my system, gdm |
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| 21:50.14 | dondelelcaro | enouf: that's a configuration program; doesn't have much to do with what someone would call base |
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| 21:51.07 | Zvpun | abrotman: thank you very much Sir. |
| 21:51.33 | dondelelcaro | enouf: from the perspective of policy, it's important+required |
| 21:51.55 | dondelelcaro | enouf: but people aren't terribly precise when they're talking about these things |
| 21:52.11 | mordy | when compiling a kernel, how do i tell it to use x number of processing cores? |
| 21:52.32 | enouf | avu: and dondelelcaro my basic point was, on a default installation (which i realize can mean different things to many) when one run netstat -tunap as root - the services and ports listed should be less than they are .. perhaps i have an issue with one service enabling another, or maybe it's with how when a service is killed (wither directly through the /init.d/ scripts, or through update-rc.d, etc), it's dependent ones should also be |
| 21:52.32 | enouf | killed/stopped |
| 21:52.36 | dondelelcaro | mordy: if you're using make-kpkg, CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 21:52.58 | enouf | ... it's dependent ones should also be killed/stopped |
| 21:53.11 | mordy | should i use all four cores though? i once tried it and it pretty much stalled everything else for a few minutes |
| 21:53.19 | dondelelcaro | mordy: up to you |
| 21:53.24 | enouf | dondelelcaro: avu and even jelly-home .. thank you for your thoughts |
| 21:53.44 | dondelelcaro | enouf: which processes are you talking about in particular? |
| 21:54.00 | enouf | dondelelcaro: port 113 and identd stuffs |
| 21:55.00 | Flavio_Debian | dondelelcaro: you are Brazilian? |
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| 21:55.11 | dondelelcaro | enouf: why did you install an identd? |
| 21:55.15 | valdyn | mordy: why would it stall everything else? |
| 21:55.15 | dondelelcaro | Flavio_Debian: no |
| 21:55.26 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i didn't .. something pulled it in .. IIRC |
| 21:55.45 | mordy | don't know, because i used all four cores - i guess it took the highest priority too |
| 21:55.46 | enouf | dondelelcaro: maybe some part of a bloated DE .. who knows |
| 21:55.56 | valdyn | mordy: it does not do that |
| 21:55.56 | sharp15 | anyone know where i can get help with the debian-lenny ejabberd package? this isn't an upgrade from an old version. |
| 21:56.26 | mordy | although i'm reading the manpage, and it suggests i use one less core than i actually havw |
| 21:56.28 | valdyn | mordy: people with just one core compile kernels just fine btw |
| 21:56.29 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i would bet most users that install Debian with a desktop (say through even tasksel) end up having that running right after installation |
| 21:56.30 | dondelelcaro | enouf: well, it's definetly not part of a standard install; there are some things that may recommend an identd like nullidentd though... and I've no clue what would have been listening on the auth port; that's totally non-standard |
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| 21:56.56 | valdyn | mordy: which manpage? |
| 21:57.01 | dondelelcaro | enouf: could be; best to figure out what it was, and what brought it in, and then file bugs about it. |
| 21:57.14 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok . point |
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| 21:57.17 | mordy | valdyn, make-kpkg |
| 21:57.46 | mordy | d'oh |
| 21:57.50 | mordy | it doesn't say that |
| 21:58.25 | mordy | lol |
| 21:59.11 | dondelelcaro | mordy: the level of -j you use is a compromise between processors and disk speed; what is the right level depends on your system and what you're compiling. |
| 21:59.13 | valdyn | mordy: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL should usually be > number of cores |
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| 22:00.03 | mordy | greater? how's that? |
| 22:00.09 | enouf | mordy: btw, dpkg-buildpackage has a -j option O_o |
| 22:00.13 | jelly-home | enouf: postgresql uses ident for authentication by default afair |
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| 22:00.20 | enouf | mordy: atleast in Lenny and up |
| 22:00.26 | valdyn | mordy: a process that is writing or reading to disk cant calculate anything at that time |
| 22:00.43 | valdyn | enouf: uh? |
| 22:01.03 | mordy | hmm... true - so what number do you suggest i put? 3.0 Ghz, 4 cores |
| 22:01.04 | valdyn | enouf: that would just pass -j to make, which you cant do for kernel builds |
| 22:01.12 | enouf | jelly-home: thanks, but that happens to not be anything i'd consider default/standard personally, and i've never installed that |
| 22:01.36 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it does, but it doesn't normally require an identd server |
| 22:01.45 | dondelelcaro | (and it only Suggests: one) |
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| 22:02.05 | dondelelcaro | (you almost never use ident authentication in postgresql for remote machines) |
| 22:02.24 | jelly-home | it works well for local users though |
| 22:02.30 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 22:02.41 | dondelelcaro | but that doesn't use an identd |
| 22:02.45 | enouf | valdyn: i wasn't pertaining it to kernel builds, nor make-kpkg .. just noting for future use |
| 22:02.52 | valdyn | mordy: 6? i dont know what would be optimal |
| 22:03.03 | valdyn | mordy: does it even matter? |
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| 22:03.20 | mordy | well, i may be doing it several times |
| 22:03.29 | mordy | since i don't know if my configuration will work for this |
| 22:03.48 | enouf | jelly-home: i'm running apt-rdepends openbsd-inetd for now, and having a peek |
| 22:04.04 | dondelelcaro | mordy: so try one number, and move it up or down depending on what happens |
| 22:04.04 | Tekno | pee or peek |
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| 22:04.22 | jelly-home | enouf: you could just --dry-run uninstall it |
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| 22:04.58 | enouf | jelly-home: good point |
| 22:05.09 | enouf | yep, still installed |
| 22:05.20 | mordy | oh, CONCURRENCY_LEVEL is an environment variable |
| 22:06.57 | abrotman | you can set it in the conf file for make-kpkg |
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| 22:07.01 | enouf | and the winner is? http://pastebin.ca/raw/1290406 |
| 22:07.52 | abrotman | but it only suggests inetd |
| 22:07.55 | abrotman | samba does i mean |
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| 22:08.55 | zykes- | abrotman: etch |
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| 22:10.10 | mordy | why is it asking me these config questions again? the ones i entered in make menuconfig |
| 22:10.19 | mordy | like " Support for Large Block Devices (LBD) [N/y/?] (NEW) " |
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| 22:11.25 | SPF | does someone know what kind of DMX512 hardware goes best with linux? |
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| 22:14.23 | enouf | i would bet one of the samba pkgs pulled it in and started the service ... or .. maybe some kde kioslave related thingy ... or maybe lsb-base? is that a critical pkg - i don't have the time atm to sort and compare through it all - i'll get to it though |
| 22:14.52 | dondelelcaro | enouf: if you're running etch, samba depends on netbase which depends on an inetd |
| 22:14.53 | enouf | mordy: why didn't you run make oldconfig 1st |
| 22:14.55 | enouf | ? |
| 22:15.06 | mordy | oh |
| 22:15.08 | enouf | dondelelcaro: that's what i was thinking! |
| 22:15.24 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't do that anymore in lenny though, so there's not much point in filing bugs about it |
| 22:15.27 | enouf | dondelelcaro: but i didn't want to guess... ok then .. |
| 22:15.36 | enouf | dondelelcaro: aye .. |
| 22:15.59 | mordy | what does make oldconfig do? |
| 22:16.07 | enouf | mordy: read the kernel README ffs |
| 22:16.32 | enouf | has to run - bbl - thanks |
| 22:16.46 | dondelelcaro | inetd's default configuration has also changed, as it no longer runs any of the internal services it used to have |
| 22:17.04 | abrotman | zykes-: i don't see anything obvious .. in newer kernels it seems easy to find |
| 22:17.11 | abrotman | zykes-: let me keep looking |
| 22:17.15 | stableable | There's surely no need for inetd anyway these days, surely? |
| 22:17.22 | mordy | hmm... i'm still getting these questions |
| 22:18.02 | valdyn | mordy: menuconfig has a "Save Config" Option |
| 22:18.13 | mordy | yeah, did that |
| 22:18.34 | mordy | meh, i'll just look at the readme |
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| 22:19.06 | abrotman | zykes-: are you on i386 ? (alpha seems to be different) |
| 22:19.45 | abrotman | zykes-: /sys/module/<foo>/parameters/ |
| 22:23.22 | mordy | how do i tell to which package a file belongs to? (i should know this already) |
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| 22:23.46 | Eulex | !tell mordy about search |
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| 22:25.12 | mordy | thanks |
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| 22:30.05 | mordy | it's still asking me all these questions that i already answered |
| 22:30.27 | stableable | So what's the problem? (dpkg -L somefile) |
| 22:30.36 | stableable | s/-L/-S/ |
| 22:31.00 | mordy | i'm trying to compile the kernel |
| 22:31.33 | mordy | i did make menuconfig and make oldconfig and it's still asking me these questions |
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| 22:31.54 | stableable | Right -- and? |
| 22:32.26 | Tekno | why make oldconfig |
| 22:32.37 | Tekno | doesnt it replace your own .config |
| 22:32.43 | Tekno | which you made with menuconfig |
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| 22:33.37 | stableable | No -- not replace. |
| 22:33.51 | stableable | Just attempt to make the kernel based on potential "older" options. |
| 22:34.02 | mordy | meh, someone suggested it to me above |
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| 22:34.25 | mordy | but anyway, how do i get it to stop asking me things which i answered in make menuconfig? |
| 22:34.32 | FAJ | Hi I am thinking of dual booting ubuntu and debian, I was wondering if they can share a /home directory? and also, I like rolling releases, sid would be the best to use for a 'stable' rolling environment? Thanks |
| 22:34.57 | Tekno | sure they can |
| 22:34.58 | jrf | FAJ |
| 22:35.01 | stableable | FAJ: Yup. |
| 22:35.02 | jrf | make home a partition |
| 22:35.06 | jrf | voila |
| 22:35.08 | mordy | it's just a home directroty |
| 22:35.09 | jrf | u can share it |
| 22:35.11 | mordy | directory |
| 22:35.12 | jrf | :) |
| 22:35.43 | FAJ | jrf: i have /home as it's own partition ;), whoot for knowing what you are doing ;) I just wanted to make sure there wouldn't be debian/ ubuntu conflicts. |
| 22:35.47 | FAJ | et al. |
| 22:35.57 | jrf | :)nope |
| 22:36.30 | jrf | the only difference might be - it is possible they will see the device slightly differently |
| 22:36.52 | jrf | e.g. /dev/sda2 on one and /dev/sda3 on the other |
| 22:36.54 | abrotman | FAJ: sid is far from stable |
| 22:36.58 | FAJ | I was alsow wondering if ndiswrapper is installed OTB? because i would be using wifi to get on the internet, and therefore would need ndiswrapper, but how can i connect to a wpa secured network... esepecially if there is no gui (im a gui kinda guy, but i can work in terminal good enough) |
| 22:37.08 | jrf | but as long as it is just data - you will be a-ok |
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| 22:37.41 | FAJ | abrotman: that was my next question; i want stability but i like rolling releases over fixed releases; they just make more sense to me overall, but I like slow and steady mentality; and 6 months doesn't seem like enough. |
| 22:37.45 | abrotman | FAJ: beware what may happen if you use the same user in both systems .. settings may get overwritten or mean different things, or even cause appliation issues |
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| 22:38.18 | jrf | oh yeah there is that - make sure the fs and options are supported by both |
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| 22:38.31 | FAJ | abrotman: et al what would be the best way to get debian rolling? can't you only do that with sid? |
| 22:39.06 | FAJ | and also what about the ndiswrapper/wpa issue? |
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| 22:39.23 | abrotman | you can track testing .. which is more stable than unstable .. (both are basically frozen currently trhough) |
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| 22:40.03 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:40.04 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was as root: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Then install the NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page. |
| 22:40.22 | karsten | FAJ: What's your wifi card? No, ndiswrapper isn't installed "OOTB", not much is. See above dpkg factoid. |
| 22:40.47 | FAJ | sorry about that,,,, |
| 22:40.55 | FAJ | apparently ubottu flooded me -.- |
| 22:40.58 | karsten | FAJ: Um, why bother w/ dual boot Ubuntu/Debian? First: dual-booting sucks, second, they're pretty darned close. |
| 22:41.19 | FAJ | karsten: because i don't feel like doing huge switches between distros w/o testing them |
| 22:41.28 | karsten | FAJ: If you want to mess with them, I'd do virtualization (probably KVM). |
| 22:41.34 | karsten | FAJ: OK. |
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| 22:41.54 | FAJ | and b/c i am relatively new to linux,,, not like super new, but >2 years |
| 22:42.09 | abrotman | you could try debian in a vm first |
| 22:42.17 | ddalton | hey whats up with the australian debian server? packages can not be authenticated, and and network unreachable...? |
| 22:42.18 | karsten | FAJ: You should be able to share $HOME. The caveat is that changes among some of the desktop apps (KDE/GNOME in particular) may get confused. |
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| 22:42.32 | karsten | hands FAJ a '<' |
| 22:42.37 | FAJ | lol |
| 22:42.42 | FAJ | sorry.. |
| 22:43.11 | FAJ | karsten: and both of my computers are relatively slow; therefore i wouldn't be comfortable doing virtualization... it would be awayyyyy to slow |
| 22:43.28 | karsten | FAJ: What abrotman said. I'd try a VM. And if you've been trying already for a couple of years, I'd say you're probably ready for Debian. |
| 22:43.37 | karsten | FAJ: OK, that's a legit beef. |
| 22:43.56 | karsten | FAJ: Though KVM has a very minimal performance overhead. |
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| 22:44.22 | FAJ | karsten: i like debians speed and stability; i hate the 6 mo.s cycle though.. |
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| 22:45.08 | karsten | FAJ: Which 6 mo cycle? |
| 22:45.18 | FAJ | i don't think i have ever had a ubuntu upgrade go the way i wanted it to; prime example, on this computer I upgraded to intrepid; ended up wiping it and putting 8.04.1 back on it. |
| 22:45.19 | FAJ | in ubuntu |
| 22:45.32 | FAJ | i just stick with LTS, but rolling releases sounds like the way to go. |
| 22:45.36 | mordy | wow, this processor is amazing |
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| 22:45.44 | mordy | compiled the kernel in under two minutes |
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| 22:46.11 | FAJ | but karsten i don't think i am ready to make the jump to debian b/c I have a feeling it will be too complex for me. |
| 22:46.53 | karsten | FAJ: Most desktop Debian users tend toward 'testing', which pretty much means you're in continual-upgrade mode. |
| 22:47.09 | karsten | FAJ: Debian isn't particularly more or less complex than Ubuntu. |
| 22:47.12 | FAJ | karsten: that's what i thought,,, which is very nice; but i hear that eveen that has uber bugs |
| 22:47.38 | Element14 | FAJ: if you don't want uber bugs you could always stick with stable |
| 22:48.13 | FAJ | Element14: but i like rolling releases ;) |
| 22:48.27 | karsten | Yes, there are bugs. Understand the distinctions between stable, testing, and unstable. If you're not prepared to work around things periodically, stick to either Ubuntu (if you want to stay roughly 6 months w/in release) or Stable (up to 2-3 years stale at times). |
| 22:48.35 | Element14 | well there's got to be a few bugs here and there sometimes |
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| 22:49.01 | Element14 | i'm currently tracking debian testing |
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| 22:49.09 | karsten | FAJ: AFAIR the last time I had something screw up so badly that I had significant usability issues was around 2002/2003. |
| 22:49.11 | FAJ | karsten: i just have never gotten into the whole terminal thing... like how to install gnome after wards, how to get on the internet to get to the repos through ndiswrapper, on a wpa network |
| 22:49.24 | FAJ | karsten: are you on stable? |
| 22:49.28 | FAJ | or testing? |
| 22:49.38 | Element14 | every time I feel like doing an upgrade, i just say my prayers that when i'm finished doing apt-get (dist-)upgrade, there'll be no major breakage |
| 22:49.45 | karsten | FAJ: Usually it's more an issue of some app not working quite right, or (if you use them), KDE and/or GNOME stuck in a sort of halfway-between-major-releases stage. |
| 22:49.50 | karsten | FAJ: Testing/unstable. |
| 22:49.53 | Element14 | but usually nothing seriously breaks |
| 22:49.58 | FAJ | ya Element14 that's how i feel; hence the reason why i just stick to ubuntu's LTS |
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| 22:50.33 | karsten | FAJ: The trick is to use pinning to draw from testing by preference (generally fewer bugs) but unstable if necessary (bugfixes appear more quickily). You can grab a specific version of a package if you need to to work through a bug. |
| 22:50.49 | karsten | FAJ: I might have to do that once or twice a year. |
| 22:50.50 | FAJ | well see i like how my computer is set up; hence the reason I am just sticking with the LTS's because stability is key for me... |
| 22:51.10 | Element14 | FAJ: you're essentially contradicting yourself :) |
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| 22:51.18 | karsten | FAJ: I'm trying out Ubuntu on the laptop I'm using right now, and frankly, it's pretty close to my Debian experiences. Except that more stuff breaks ;-) |
| 22:51.20 | FAJ | Element14: i know ;) |
| 22:51.27 | FAJ | lol ya. |
| 22:51.30 | jrf | FAJ: believe it or not- I follow the latest debian and it is relatively stable |
| 22:51.47 | FAJ | jrf: what is 'latest debian'? testing? |
| 22:52.05 | jrf | I run dist-upgrade about once/month and have had about 1 problem/yr since 2000 or so |
| 22:52.16 | FAJ | jrf: in testing? |
| 22:52.17 | Element14 | I've been on sid a few years ago when the bleeding edge was really better than debian stable, and usually it was ok |
| 22:52.19 | jrf | I also run vanilla hw |
| 22:52.20 | jrf | ya |
| 22:52.21 | karsten | There's also the small matter of freeze, which happens prior to a Debian release, which means that testing changes very little. After release there's a sudden flood of new packages, and things can get interesting. |
| 22:52.32 | karsten | runs aptitude dist-upgrade nearly daily. |
| 22:52.37 | FAJ | haha. |
| 22:52.38 | Element14 | these days I don't see a big difference between the bleeding edge and the stuff I got a few months ago... |
| 22:52.49 | jrf | element14: exactly |
| 22:52.58 | jrf | FAJ: I mean honestly it isnt that bad |
| 22:53.05 | jrf | FAJ: you have 2 machines right? |
| 22:53.06 | FAJ | my big issue though is getting on the internet w/ no gui; on a wpa network. |
| 22:53.20 | FAJ | jrf: i have two up here and one downstairs; i plan on testing on the downstairs one. |
| 22:53.27 | FAJ | my big issue though is getting on the internet w/ no gui; on a wpa network. |
| 22:53.29 | karsten | FAJ: iwconfig is your friend. |
| 22:53.36 | jrf | FAJ: well as long as you have a backup machine to use your all set |
| 22:53.42 | memnon | As far as I understand it: Stable is the Debian Distribution. Unstable and Testing are, well, for testing :). A user is recommended to use stable. But Desktop Users often use testing. |
| 22:53.48 | karsten | doesn't know how to configure wireless *using* a GUI. |
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| 22:54.02 | jrf | FAJ: I actually had it happen to me today - the laptop I had been using finally croaked |
| 22:54.06 | FAJ | karsten: lol what about wpa? |
| 22:54.28 | FAJ | jrf: is debian faster than ubuntu? speed and stability..... |
| 22:54.36 | karsten | memnon: I see "stable" as more intended for servers. Debian-on-desktop as stable presents ... issues. |
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| 22:54.40 | jrf | FAJ: and my debian-testing based host - which I happen to run several freebsd and sles vm's on I had preconfigured as my backup desktop - and I'm back in business :) |
| 22:54.53 | karsten | FAJ: Mostly not an issue for me, though I'll admit that's a slight PITA. |
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| 22:55.06 | memnon | karsten: I am also on testing. |
| 22:55.12 | FAJ | my big issue though is getting on the internet w/ no gui; on a wpa network. |
| 22:55.20 | memnon | But to a new user, I always explain it like above. |
| 22:55.21 | karsten | FAJ: "faster" is pretty subjective. You'd have to run specific tests to see how your system performs. |
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| 22:55.29 | FAJ | i know how to connect w/ iwconfig, but not wpa |
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| 22:56.03 | karsten | FAJ: http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu-linux.html |
| 22:56.10 | karsten | FAJ: ... GIYF / GIYGF |
| 22:56.11 | drraid | is it unadvisable to update things like gtk outside of the scope of aptitude? |
| 22:56.15 | karsten | !tell FAJ about GIYGF |
| 22:56.31 | abrotman | drraid: not a great plan |
| 22:56.40 | memnon | drraid: Why would you want that? |
| 22:56.41 | abrotman | drraid: why would you want to ? |
| 22:56.42 | karsten | drraid: Generally, not unless you plan on taking over full manual maintenance. |
| 22:56.46 | drraid | abrotman: ltns. |
| 22:57.05 | karsten | Um. Is WPA == WAP or something different? |
| 22:57.08 | mordy | what do i do about this? "You are attempting to install a kernel image (version 2.6.26) However, the directory /lib/modules/2.6.26/kernel still exists" when i'm trying to install my new kernel |
| 22:57.12 | drraid | I really dont want to take on full maintenance, and recognize that I am likely as a fork if I need to do this |
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| 22:57.23 | stone1961 | hi i just installed debian4 but i do not have apt |
| 22:57.36 | FAJ | karsten: how can i install wpasupplicant,,, if i can't get on inet? |
| 22:57.37 | drraid | abrotman/memnon: i would like gtk-2.12, as it is required by a project |
| 22:57.45 | abrotman | a project? |
| 22:57.47 | karsten | FAJ: sneakernet. |
| 22:58.02 | abrotman | stone1961: you don't have apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 22:58.03 | drraid | abrotman: an application I would like to run requires the use of it |
| 22:58.11 | FAJ | karsten: sneakernet? |
| 22:58.23 | drraid | abrotman: mainly because of a python binding to gtkNotebook |
| 22:58.40 | karsten | FAJ: Find another way to get the packages to your system. 'apt-zip' is a package specifically designed to use portable storage to transfer requests and/or downloaded packages to/from a networked system. |
| 22:58.44 | karsten | !tell FAJ about sneakernet. |
| 22:58.50 | drraid | abrotman: and the methods supported by current gtk are now depricated and replaced by new methods |
| 22:58.56 | abrotman | drraid: you can, but it's not really advised |
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| 22:59.07 | FAJ | hahaha karsten very nice. |
| 22:59.11 | karsten | FAJ: out-of-band file transfer. Or find a temporary wired connection, or a wireless connection you can use, or NAT through another box, or ... |
| 22:59.12 | stone1961 | seems like aptitude is installed and not apt @abrotman |
| 22:59.32 | karsten | stone1961: aptitude is the command interface. APT is the packaging system. A Package Tool == APT |
| 22:59.35 | FredZ | My windowz mail server just completely died, so I am now looking for a complete mail solution to go on my deb etch sever, must host mulitple domains, not many users. Any comments welcome. |
| 23:00.01 | stone1961 | iget command not foundif i use anything apt |
| 23:00.03 | karsten | FredZ: exim4 or postfix would be my first recommendation. You may want to ask about imap/pop as well. |
| 23:00.05 | abrotman | stone1961: what is 'apt' ? |
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| 23:00.19 | abrotman | stone1961: which actual command is not found |
| 23:00.26 | FAJ | karsten: where can i get a testing debian snapshot? |
| 23:00.49 | stone1961 | for example: apt -get install firefox |
| 23:00.51 | karsten | FAJ: Sorry? |
| 23:00.54 | tomb0y | im a little confused with samba. currently it says i have 2.7gb free, which is what i have free on / but my samba is sharing /share/storage1 (which is a mount bind of /ftp/storage1) which is really device /dev/sdb1 that has 900gb free |
| 23:01.01 | FAJ | karsten: nvm |
| 23:01.01 | abrotman | stone1961: it's `apt-get` .. |
| 23:01.07 | memnon | stone1961: does aptitude install firefox work? |
| 23:01.09 | FredZ | karsten: ty, but I am looking for something that has instructions from start to finish, not linux savy at all. |
| 23:01.09 | abrotman | stone1961: and you should use aptitude to isntall |
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| 23:01.23 | karsten | FAJ: You can get a testing installer from the Installing Debian page at www.debian.org. You can also upgrade from stable. |
| 23:01.30 | memnon | stone1961: aptitude basically works like apt-get afaik |
| 23:01.32 | stone1961 | i camefrom ubuntu andi want to try debian |
| 23:01.37 | karsten | FredZ: Sec. |
| 23:01.40 | FAJ | woah. |
| 23:01.45 | abrotman | stone1961: aptitude install firefox |
| 23:01.56 | stone1961 | and aptitude is better than apt? |
| 23:01.58 | FAJ | karsten: i just want cd; i just went to the torrent site, and it gave me more than 25 cds to torrent? |
| 23:02.03 | karsten | stone1961: Yes. |
| 23:02.04 | abrotman | stone1961: in almost all cases, yes |
| 23:02.06 | karsten | !aptitude |
| 23:02.06 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 23:02.14 | stone1961 | thx abrotman |
| 23:02.15 | Tekno | netinst is everything you need |
| 23:02.42 | memnon | FAJ: If the machine you want to install to can go online, only fetch the first cd or even a netinst image |
| 23:02.43 | stone1961 | what should i do after fresh install |
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| 23:02.48 | karsten | FredZ: Is this for personal or office / work use? |
| 23:02.52 | abrotman | stone1961: that depends on what you want the machine to do |
| 23:02.54 | memnon | stone1961: enjoy your system :) |
| 23:03.00 | stone1961 | i just wanted to update, i just installed a basic system |
| 23:03.08 | memnon | stone1961: aptitude update |
| 23:03.10 | abrotman | stone1961: what do you want to use ? |
| 23:03.12 | memnon | stone1961: aptitude upgrade |
| 23:03.14 | FredZ | karsten: personal, but I own several domains. |
| 23:03.16 | FAJ | memnon: i want to get it t oa cd... |
| 23:03.22 | FAJ | to install on antoehr computer... |
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| 23:03.28 | karsten | FredZ: You'll need to get at least somewhat savvy quickly. The base configuration tools for exim4 are pretty straightforward. Both exim4 and postfix come with extensive documtation. |
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| 23:03.48 | memnon | FAJ: Well, the debian repos are huge. If you want everything, it might be 25 cds |
| 23:03.57 | karsten | FredZ: I'd suggest you start by looking at that and asking here (or on the appropriate exim / postfix support channels) if you have specific questions. |
| 23:04.00 | FAJ | memnon: no i just want an installer cd... |
| 23:04.08 | memnon | FAJ: But you will never ever need everything. More often used software (popular) is on the first cds |
| 23:04.12 | FredZ | OK, I will go see what I ca find out |
| 23:04.13 | abrotman | FAJ: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:04.15 | stone1961 | abrotman i need a good texteditior first |
| 23:04.22 | abrotman | stone1961: for X or CLI ? |
| 23:04.29 | stone1961 | then i wantfirefox |
| 23:04.49 | karsten | FredZ: From the Debian perspective, you probably already have one or the ohter installed (d'pkg -l exim4 postfix' will tell you), to install: aptitude install exim4 |
| 23:04.51 | memnon | stone1961: as said: aptitude install firefox |
| 23:05.03 | stone1961 | x cli? |
| 23:05.11 | abrotman | stone1961: are you using Gnome? kde ? |
| 23:05.23 | FAJ | ok thank you all |
| 23:05.29 | FAJ | i am sure i will be back... |
| 23:05.30 | karsten | FAJ: There are *over* 27,000 packages total available for Debian. A typical desktop/server install is rarely much over 3,000. |
| 23:05.31 | memnon | stone1961: ups: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 23:05.34 | stone1961 | gnome |
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| 23:05.42 | stone1961 | iceweasel? |
| 23:05.50 | Tekno | its firefox |
| 23:05.52 | karsten | stone1961: Debian's version of firefox. |
| 23:05.55 | abrotman | stone1961: aptitude install gedit iceweasel .. you'll get a basic text editor and 'firefox' |
| 23:05.55 | karsten | !iceweasel |
| 23:05.55 | dpkg | iceweasel is, like, the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 23:06.24 | Element14 | GNU has a firefox too? wow |
| 23:06.28 | karsten | abrotman: Note 'ae'? ;-) |
| 23:06.31 | memnon | Mhh, but not that different?! |
| 23:06.34 | karsten | Element14: Yeah, same reason as Debian. |
| 23:06.52 | stoned | why can't you put firefox in non-free? |
| 23:06.57 | karsten | memnon: License issues specific to the name, follow up on the factoid. |
| 23:06.59 | stoned | with its own mozilla logos and such? |
| 23:07.08 | stone1961 | mom i install |
| 23:07.09 | tomb0y | how do i convince samba of the real amount of free space available? i have a path mounted within the share, but samba reports the /share free space for all paths mounted beneath there. |
| 23:07.11 | abrotman | stoned: that's only part of the reason we don't distribute FF |
| 23:07.36 | memnon | karsten: Yes, I know the reasons for iceweasel. I just wondered how much is actually changed compared to ff |
| 23:07.39 | karsten | tomb0y: #samba |
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| 23:07.49 | drraid | i apologize. found out gtk was plenty recent. code is old. |
| 23:07.51 | karsten | memnon: download source, it includes diffs. |
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| 23:07.57 | drraid | abrotman thanks for the help |
| 23:07.59 | stoned | abrotman, I thought... can you tell me more? I've read the developer blogs, Ian's blurbs about that issue, elsewhere, afaict it should be fine in non-free no? |
| 23:08.11 | abrotman | stoned: the security patches are also an issue |
| 23:08.13 | pookey | damn it, 'ian' is in my highlight list |
| 23:08.15 | pookey | don't say that name! :P |
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| 23:08.18 | memnon | karsten: ah, well, not that important. |
| 23:08.24 | SnoFox | Docs on xorg.conf please? |
| 23:08.32 | abrotman | SnoFox: man xorg.conf |
| 23:08.38 | lummox | I want to install glibc 2.4 but via aptitude only 2.3.6-2 is available. How would I do it the best way? |
| 23:08.47 | SnoFox | I suppose that works. |
| 23:09.00 | karsten | !tell lummox about search |
| 23:09.07 | karsten | !tell lummox about p.d.o |
| 23:09.08 | abrotman | karsten: that won't help |
| 23:09.08 | stone1961 | my name has nothng to do withbeing stones, more with being a former stones fan |
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| 23:09.18 | karsten | lummox: First find out if its available at all. |
| 23:09.41 | stoned | pookey, :) Mr. Pookie - houston wrapper? |
| 23:09.42 | karsten | lummox: aptitude w/ -h flag will tell you (If I remember my flags correctly) why a certain action will / won't take place. |
| 23:09.44 | stoned | rapper* |
| 23:09.48 | stoned | haha i said wrapper :) |
| 23:09.55 | pookey | stoned: FAIL :P |
| 23:09.56 | mordy | gah, grub isn't behaving again |
| 23:10.00 | karsten | lummox: Likely there's a glibc conflict, and since that's a core package, working around it may be difficult. |
| 23:10.05 | mordy | why isn't update-grub creating a menu.lst? |
| 23:10.11 | lummox | karsten, I already said that apittude told me that the available version is 2.3.something |
| 23:10.12 | FAJ | karsten: still confused as to which debian cd i need to use... |
| 23:10.17 | karsten | stone1961: Happy Keith Richards bday. |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | FAJ: to install testing ? using the netinst ? |
| 23:10.28 | karsten | FAJ: To do what? |
| 23:10.31 | lummox | I used aptitude search glibc and it told me "glibc-2.3.6-2" |
| 23:10.33 | stoned | mordy, what are you doing? |
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| 23:10.41 | abrotman | FAJ: on i386 ? |
| 23:10.44 | FAJ | karsten: to install debian.... like a ubuntu livecd install? |
| 23:10.46 | karsten | FAJ: You *don't* have network access on the box, right? |
| 23:10.48 | FAJ | yes i386 |
| 23:10.48 | mordy | stoned, i made a new kernel, but grub isn't picking it up |
| 23:10.49 | abrotman | lummox: that's the libc6 in etch |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | FAJ: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:10.56 | FAJ | karsten: correct.. not without wifi... |
| 23:11.09 | stoned | mordy, did you follow the debian kernel howto? |
| 23:11.14 | lummox | karsten, couldnt I just install glibc-2.4? there is many different libarary versions always anyway |
| 23:11.14 | mordy | yeah |
| 23:11.16 | sonicfart | karsten: it's acturally --help |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | lummox: no |
| 23:11.22 | karsten | FAJ: First install disk (CD) will get you started, packages are arranged on CD by order of popularity. Only one disk is necessary for a basic install. |
| 23:11.24 | stone1961 | thx karsten |
| 23:11.31 | karsten | sonicfart: Danke. |
| 23:11.37 | lummox | abrotman, but I want to use the 64-bit flash plugin from the adobe labs and it wants glibc2.4 |
| 23:11.54 | stone1961 | hm long time i used linux |
| 23:12.07 | karsten | abrotman: /etc/ld.so.conf won't sort it out? (glibc) |
| 23:12.07 | stone1961 | how doi stop a pro i started from shell? |
| 23:12.08 | stoned | sonic fart? |
| 23:12.13 | FAJ | karsten: ok cool; does abrotman's link work? |
| 23:12.16 | stoned | stone1961, pro? |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | karsten: you can't change libc .. that will do bad things |
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| 23:12.23 | stoned | stone1961, kill ? |
| 23:12.24 | stone1961 | proggramm |
| 23:12.24 | abrotman | !tell lummox about dmm |
| 23:12.27 | karsten | FAJ: Possibly... |
| 23:12.30 | stoned | stone1961, kill |
| 23:12.42 | karsten | abrotman: multipole versions instaalled? s/pole/ple/ |
| 23:12.44 | FAJ | karsten: i mean is it the correct cd image... |
| 23:12.53 | abrotman | karsten: it's libc6 |
| 23:13.17 | karsten | FAJ: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ Start there, look for CD images for the version you want to install. |
| 23:13.21 | abrotman | lummox: if you're really that interested in having flash .. change from etch to lenny |
| 23:13.26 | Element14 | FAJ: it really depends on whether you can get your wireless working with that image... |
| 23:13.32 | karsten | abrotman: I'm a bit hazy on this which is why I'm only suggesting/asking |
| 23:13.34 | stoned | etch has flash |
| 23:13.43 | stoned | v9, but it has it |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | not native for 64bit |
| 23:13.50 | stone1961 | abrotman i installed gedit an would change sources.listifi had apt |
| 23:13.54 | stoned | oh, 64bit |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | stoned: why? |
| 23:14.02 | stone1961 | but now i havew aptitude whats next? |
| 23:14.17 | abrotman | stone1961: what else do you want to do ? |
| 23:14.27 | stoned | abrotman, I'm guessing that wasn't for me? |
| 23:14.39 | abrotman | nope |
| 23:14.40 | stone1961 | you mentioned security patches |
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| 23:14.56 | abrotman | stone1961: look in /etc/apt/sources.list .. do you have a security.debian.org line ? |
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| 23:15.10 | karsten | FAJ: Which takes you here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ to here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 23:15.12 | stone1961 | ok |
| 23:15.26 | lummox | abrotman, I could also install libc2.4 in some extra non-lib path and do LD_PRELOAD=libc24.so, couldnt I? just as a hack but it should work then |
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| 23:15.30 | abrotman | karsten: i gave him a link to the netinst ISO |
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| 23:15.34 | karsten | FAJ: ... as I said, first disk is all you _need_, first several will cover most generally used packages. |
| 23:15.43 | karsten | abrotman: yeah, I was just showing him how to get there. |
| 23:15.44 | abrotman | lummox: why go through that much effort |
| 23:15.48 | stoned | !tell FAJ -about popcon |
| 23:15.58 | lummox | abrotman, I dont want the nswrapper or how it is called |
| 23:15.58 | stoned | !tell FAJ -about cd contents |
| 23:16.08 | sonicfart | stone1961: kill pid You can figureout the process identifyer with this command string with out the auotes "ps -fu username" remember to substitute you aturall username for the work username. |
| 23:16.09 | abrotman | lummox: then time to go to lenny |
| 23:16.10 | SnoFox | After running `/etc/init.d/gdm stop`, how do I start it again and get a login screen? I always get just a blank, unchangable screen by running just `/etc/init.d/gdm start`. |
| 23:16.17 | memnon | Is there a installation dvd available? Maybe the first dvd, that is definately enough for most use cases. |
| 23:16.22 | stone1961 | lines are commented out abrotman |
| 23:16.23 | stoned | SnoFox, restart |
| 23:16.25 | stoned | SnoFox, or start |
| 23:16.28 | memnon | If that machine is not connected to the internet. |
| 23:16.30 | abrotman | stone1961: so uncomment them |
| 23:16.36 | karsten | FAJ: You'll likely want amd64 or i386. *NOT* ai64 (that's *just* the "Itanium" instruction set, nevery really much used, even by Intel). |
| 23:16.39 | stoned | SnoFox, /etc/init.d/gdm start|stop|restart |
| 23:16.43 | lummox | abrotman, do you know if fglrx works with lenny? |
| 23:16.48 | stoned | SnoFox, /etc/init.d/gdm <tab><tab> |
| 23:16.50 | karsten | SnoFox: s/stop/start/ |
| 23:16.51 | abrotman | lummox: i would assume so |
| 23:17.15 | SnoFox | stoned: Just `start` gives me a blank screen, and won't let me switch back to other TTY's. |
| 23:17.16 | stoned | lummox, which video card? |
| 23:17.29 | FAJ | karsten: are the weekly builds stable/testing/unstable? |
| 23:17.33 | mordy | well great, i think my new kernel uses even more memory than the stock one |
| 23:17.34 | stoned | SnoFox, what are you trying to do ? what happend? |
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| 23:17.53 | lummox | 26000 HD Mobility, in etch it is wroking, stoned, but I had to create the package myself.. there is a nice tutorial though on the "inofficial wiki for fglrx" |
| 23:17.56 | lummox | 2600 |
| 23:18.11 | stoned | lummox, you don't need fglrx |
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| 23:18.20 | stoned | lummox, 2600 is which chipset ? |
| 23:18.25 | lummox | M76 |
| 23:18.26 | SnoFox | I kill X to do some configuring, changes, etc, and when I restart it, I end up having to do a hard reset. Gnome/XÂ doesn't start up correctly or something. But it doesn't start up properly even if I just kill it and don't change config. |
| 23:18.29 | stoned | lummox, r6xx? |
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| 23:18.39 | stoned | lummox, ati chipset |
| 23:18.52 | lummox | I dont know |
| 23:18.52 | maligor | 2000 is r6xx |
| 23:18.54 | FAJ | karsten: i guess what i am trying to ask now is; will cd one do an install for me |
| 23:18.55 | FAJ | ? |
| 23:19.07 | stoned | uh, yeah, you need fglrx for 3D then |
| 23:19.16 | karsten | FAJ: yes |
| 23:19.20 | lummox | the radeon and radeonhd drivers are too slow.. at leats on Fedora 10 they were.. I could not even play SuperTux.. but with fglrx it runs fluently |
| 23:19.22 | stoned | you can however get by with no 3D using radeon driver or radeonhd |
| 23:19.25 | FAJ | karsten: ok thanks. |
| 23:19.41 | stoned | lummox, I play games all the time, run compiz-confusion at the same time and play movies at the same time |
| 23:19.49 | stoned | lummox, no slowness here, not even percieved |
| 23:19.51 | ben1597 | does anyone know if it is possible for separate xsessions to use separate outputs on a single dual-output graphics card? |
| 23:20.05 | lummox | cool |
| 23:20.11 | stoned | lummox, I have an x1900 which is r580, that is supported fully in open soruce |
| 23:20.18 | jelly-home | ben1597: extremely unlikely |
| 23:20.21 | stoned | lummox, your card doesn't not have 3d suport in open drivers yet |
| 23:20.30 | lummox | ok |
| 23:20.33 | lummox | thanks for the info |
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| 23:20.44 | stoned | yw |
| 23:21.04 | lummox | "./ati-driver-installer-8-12-x86.x86_64.run --listpkg" tells me it can build packages for lenny |
| 23:21.07 | lummox | so I could install lenny |
| 23:21.08 | stone1961 | i still have cdrom in sources.list |
| 23:21.16 | stoned | lummox, yes |
| 23:21.43 | jelly-home | !fglrx |
| 23:21.43 | abrotman | stoned: you can comment that out if you have a regular http source also |
| 23:21.43 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 23:21.45 | ben1597 | jelly-home, why do you say that? |
| 23:21.54 | stoned | lummox, --build-pkg Debian/lenny, sudo dpkg -i *.deb -- contineu with /msg dpkg fglrx-one liner |
| 23:22.02 | jelly-home | ben1597: because I have an idea of how xorg works |
| 23:22.17 | stone1961 | ok, where do i find a good http source? |
| 23:22.18 | lummox | stoned, thanks :D I have already installed it in etch :D |
| 23:22.22 | stoned | seriously man |
| 23:22.23 | stoned | fuck. |
| 23:22.34 | Nyle | word |
| 23:22.45 | abrotman | !tell stone1961 about sources.list |
| 23:22.45 | FAJ | karsten: pm? |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | !tell stone1961 about mirrors |
| 23:22.58 | karsten | phon e busy |
| 23:23.04 | FAJ | ok. |
| 23:23.04 | ben1597 | jelly-home: it is possible to specify multiple serverlayouts and and multiple device sections for a single device by using specifying different screen addresses |
| 23:23.58 | Nyle | ben1597, yes it is |
| 23:24.00 | jelly-home | ben1597: yes. However, don't expect two X instances to manipulate the same hardware at the same time |
| 23:24.16 | Nyle | jelly-home, what do you mean? |
| 23:24.18 | ben1597 | they are, after all, separate processes. |
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| 23:24.31 | Nyle | jelly-home, I run like 3 X servers on my desktop, 1 local, 2 remote xdmcp |
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| 23:24.33 | jelly-home | ben1597: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:24.45 | Nyle | jelly-home, it works fine I can have diff resolutions in diff X servers |
| 23:24.46 | SnoFox | Solve my problem, it looks like. |
| 23:24.54 | Nyle | jelly-home, what exactly do you mean manipulate the hw |
| 23:26.06 | Nyle | ben1597, my friend has a band called Anti-Ben, album - Blood thirsty Ben Slayers ;) google it |
| 23:26.14 | Nyle | SnoFox, what did you do? |
| 23:26.21 | jelly-home | Nyle: your setup is different from <ben1597> does anyone know if it is possible for separate xsessions to use separate outputs on a single dual-output graphics card? ... and does not apply |
| 23:26.31 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 23:27.38 | karsten | FAJ: Yes? |
| 23:27.39 | Nyle | jelly-home, same Xserver + 2 monitors on a dual head card -- two seperate X sessions is possible |
| 23:27.47 | karsten | FAJ: Ask in channel |
| 23:27.53 | Nyle | jelly-home, but you're right, NOT two Xservers at the same time |
| 23:28.01 | FAJ | karsten: jw the same questions, didn't want to be redundant ;) |
| 23:28.14 | karsten | FAJ: ? |
| 23:28.29 | FAJ | like, stability, speed, no DE off the top,,,, etc etc etc. |
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| 23:28.44 | sonicfart | .win 2 |
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| 23:29.31 | Element14 | FAJ: we can't make decisions for you ;-p |
| 23:29.44 | Nyle | Element14, sure we can |
| 23:29.48 | sonicfart | !bitchslap Element14 |
| 23:29.48 | Nyle | if he wants us to |
| 23:29.48 | dpkg | bitchslaps Element14 around the room |
| 23:29.56 | Element14 | ouch |
| 23:30.04 | Nyle | behave. |
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| 23:30.23 | sonicfart | !bitchslap Nyle |
| 23:30.23 | dpkg | bitchslaps Nyle around the room |
| 23:30.31 | SnoFox | What's the command to check owner/permissions? |
| 23:30.36 | FAJ | Element iknow! but I have gotten so used to ubuntu, I don't wanna mess stuff up you know? like i don't want stuff to go weird-ee, but rolling release=good. |
| 23:30.40 | Nyle | SnoFox, ls -l |
| 23:30.44 | SnoFox | Mkay. |
| 23:31.04 | ben1597 | Nyle: will do |
| 23:31.09 | karsten | FAJ: The installer gives you a choice of installing a desktop straight from the start. It's very similar to Ubuntu's base load. |
| 23:31.23 | FAJ | karsten: the installer,,,, on cd1 right? |
| 23:31.26 | Nyle | looks like stone1961 is gone for now |
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| 23:31.51 | karsten | FAJ: gnome-desktop-environment or kde-desktop-environment. Or just gnome-desktop. I don't recall specifically. I think it's on the 1st disk, not positive. |
| 23:31.53 | sonicfart | !bitchslap FAJ |
| 23:31.54 | dpkg | bitchslaps FAJ around the room |
| 23:32.06 | stoned | !abuse |
| 23:32.06 | sonicfart | rtfm FAJ |
| 23:32.06 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 23:32.07 | FAJ | karsten: ok. |
| 23:32.14 | FAJ | ?? |
| 23:32.16 | stoned | stop abusing the bot please. |
| 23:32.21 | karsten | FAJ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
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| 23:33.03 | stoned | 06:31 -!- Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 52 secs |
| 23:33.09 | stoned | DAAAYYYYAAAMMNN! |
| 23:33.13 | stoned | almost a minute! |
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| 23:33.59 | stoned | !ipng |
| 23:34.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 23:34.02 | stoned | !ping |
| 23:34.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:34.05 | stoned | nm |
| 23:34.39 | stoned | karsten, for debian? just kde and gnome |
| 23:34.51 | stoned | karsten, /msg dpkg install kde | /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 23:34.57 | stoned | er.. FAJ |
| 23:35.26 | FAJ | stoned: yes? |
| 23:35.43 | stoned | read up |
| 23:36.05 | stoned | KDE is not on the first cd |
| 23:36.21 | FAJ | stoned: oh that's ok ;) i plan on using gnome :P |
| 23:36.25 | stoned | ugh! |
| 23:36.29 | stoned | you suck! :) |
| 23:36.32 | FAJ | lol |
| 23:36.37 | FAJ | i <3 gnome |
| 23:36.40 | stoned | :) |
| 23:36.56 | stoned | I'm biased |
| 23:36.57 | FAJ | kde has only given me bad error codes and horrific nightmares :) |
| 23:36.58 | stoned | I work for KDE |
| 23:37.00 | stoned | heh |
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| 23:37.05 | FAJ | hah o ok. |
| 23:37.23 | stoned | In fact I mean to join the debina-kde team |
| 23:37.35 | Element14 | i know personally a developer involved with gtk and gnumeric who uses KDE himself |
| 23:37.42 | FAJ | stoned: ya i never had a good exp. with kde... but that could be because i installed kubuntu-desktop w/ ubuntu-desktop... and it basically broke my system. |
| 23:37.42 | stoned | but once my work has finished on the upstream it will eventually trickle into debian anyway |
| 23:37.56 | stoned | but then my work on the debian-installer isn't even a quarter of the way way |
| 23:38.02 | stoned | s/way/done |
| 23:38.16 | stoned | so need to finish both to see my kde changes reflected in debian |
| 23:38.19 | stoned | its a langauge issue |
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| 23:38.42 | stoned | Plus I forgot Urdu a lot hehehe |
| 23:39.25 | stoned | my dad's in pakistan right now I asked him to bring me back some books in urdo so I can read and get my urdu skills back up again, and I asked him for a completele urdu dictionary |
| 23:39.31 | stoned | to help with my translation of debian and kde |
| 23:39.44 | stoned | hopefully he will return in like jan |
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| 23:44.13 | stone1961 | what irc clients do you use? |
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| 23:45.54 | stoned | irssi |
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| 23:45.59 | FAJ | pidgin |
| 23:46.27 | Element14 | xchat |
| 23:46.40 | memnon | erc |
| 23:46.46 | stone1961 | and wich best? |
| 23:46.51 | ben1597 | anyone know how to create and populate a /dev/bus/pci tree? (my system uses udev) |
| 23:46.55 | stoned | "my client is the best" |
| 23:46.55 | stone1961 | for the future use? |
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| 23:47.12 | stoned | it is irssi then |
| 23:47.15 | stoned | the irc client of the future |
| 23:47.20 | Element14 | lol |
| 23:47.31 | stoned | seriously |
| 23:47.33 | stoned | I'm not kidding |
| 23:47.36 | stone1961 | gooling |
| 23:47.40 | FAJ | !best |
| 23:47.40 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:47.41 | stone1961 | googling |
| 23:47.52 | stoned | Irssi - The client of the future |
| 23:47.52 | stoned | Modular realtime chat client supporting IRC and SILC protocols. Supports multiple servers, themes, perl scripting and plugins. (C) [GNU/Linux, Windows] |
| 23:47.57 | stoned | i wasn't lying :) |
| 23:48.09 | stone1961 | yeah i know this stoned |
| 23:48.23 | stone1961 | but i donotknow the other ones |
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| 23:48.31 | stone1961 | erc |
| 23:48.36 | stone1961 | and xchat |
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| 23:48.51 | Element14 | XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program |
| 23:48.52 | memnon | erc: Emacs Irc client |
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| 23:49.27 | ben1597 | nm. What i was looking for is available under /sys |
| 23:49.48 | stone1961 | i just think wether to learn emacs |
| 23:49.57 | stone1961 | called the king of editors |
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| 23:51.05 | codeblue | hey everyone, Im trying to setup a script to be run by cron to chmod & chown a dir. Here is my cron entry: 5 * * * * /root/remod.sh and here is remod.sh: |
| 23:51.06 | codeblue | #!/bin/bash |
| 23:51.06 | codeblue | chmod 777 /home/BT/ -R |
| 23:51.06 | codeblue | chown BT:BT /home/BT/ -R |
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| 23:51.25 | codeblue | woops |
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| 23:52.13 | codeblue | the script above does not seem to work. any idea's ? |
| 23:53.08 | stone1961 | i read emacs is installed on debian but when i tried to start it was not found |
| 23:54.10 | Element14 | stone1961: it's not installed by default |
| 23:54.11 | memnon | stone1961: emacs is not installed by default afair |
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| 23:54.52 | memnon | stone1961: If you want to try emacs, do not expect to get used to it quickly. Takes some time... |
| 23:54.52 | unop | codeblue, is this a job in your own crontab? |
| 23:55.14 | stone1961 | ok good to know |
| 23:55.17 | amf | du -x -h / shows 5.9G, but df -h shows / to be 100%, I've done multiple fsck's on the partition, what else can I do to get the correct count so it doesn't look like the fs is full? |
| 23:55.19 | codeblue | yeah I use crontab -e to edit |
| 23:56.02 | stone1961 | you wouldsay its good toknowto handle emacs? |
| 23:56.02 | memnon | stone1961: Some say vim is cryptic, but I found emacs shortcuts hard to remember for at least a few weeks. |
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| 23:56.02 | stoned | emacs is not installed in debian |
| 23:56.02 | unop | codeblue, is /root/remod.sh set to be readable and executable by YOU ? |
| 23:56.02 | memnon | stone1961: I started 7 months ago, now I feel very comfortable. Switched from vim |
| 23:56.02 | stoned | emacs is a piece of cake |
| 23:56.07 | codeblue | yeah |
| 23:56.15 | FAJ | thank you guys all, I htink I am going to stick with Ubuntu; right now it seems like the 'best of both worlds'; ie stability (LTS) and bleeding edge....I don't think I am technical enough to use debian, but I will keep testing with it and all.... Thank you all again. Keep up the Linux good work; because Debian is really the base of Ubuntu, no matter what people say :) Thanks again. |
| 23:56.16 | stoned | all you need is a list of keyboard shortcuts and documentation open |
| 23:56.16 | stone1961 | i tried a few times to work with emacs you need to get usedto it |
| 23:56.17 | stoned | thats all |
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| 23:56.24 | memnon | thinks flamewars on editors are juvenile |
| 23:56.36 | unop | codeblue, let's have a look at. ls -l /root/remod.sh |
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| 23:56.46 | Element14 | there are non-juvenile flamewars? |
| 23:56.49 | stone1961 | agrees with memnon |
| 23:56.50 | memnon | :) |
| 23:56.58 | codeblue | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 60 2008-12-21 00:13 remod.sh |
| 23:57.04 | stone1961 | and with element14 |
| 23:57.12 | Eulex | !start an editor war |
| 23:57.13 | dpkg | vim bites |
| 23:57.20 | stone1961 | i do programm in c++ and java |
| 23:57.27 | stoned | ugh |
| 23:57.29 | memnon | stone1961: You should give it a fair try. At least 3 weeks. |
| 23:57.31 | stoned | ugly nasty languages |
| 23:57.34 | stone1961 | and i want to use latech |
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| 23:57.47 | memnon | recommends auctex |
| 23:57.49 | Eulex | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 23:57.56 | stone1961 | stoned i wondered why python is installedon my debian by default |
| 23:57.56 | stoned | C# |
| 23:58.06 | unop | codeblue, ok, introduce a line like. echo $0 says hello world > /tmp/cron.test |
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| 23:58.09 | stoned | lot of debian is written in python |
| 23:58.18 | unop | codeblue, then see if the file gets created. |
| 23:58.23 | stone1961 | did not know stoned |
| 23:58.30 | unop | codeblue, also, have you checked your mail for errors? |
| 23:58.32 | stoned | (not the installer, but lots of packages) |
| 23:58.42 | codeblue | no mailserver! |
| 23:58.49 | stoned | bugreport depends on python as it uses a python script to do the bug reproting |
| 23:58.49 | Eulex | $ apt-cache rdepends python|wc -l |
| 23:58.50 | Eulex | 3590 |
| 23:58.51 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 23:58.57 | unop | codeblue, local mail needs no server |
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| 23:59.25 | codeblue | have not received "You have new mail" |
| 23:59.52 | codeblue | /var/mail/ is empty |
| 23:59.55 | memnon | stone1961: I think perl and python are standard on nearly every linux distribution by now. |
| 23:59.56 | stoned | I love the old AOL sound |
