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| 00:00.35 | stoned | "You've Got Mail!" |
| 00:00.35 | stone1961 | nice eulex |
| 00:00.35 | unop | codeblue, check with the mail command anyway |
| 00:00.57 | stone1961 | heck did not know this memnon, if asked i would have said a lot of theos is written in plain old c |
| 00:01.08 | codeblue | never done that b4 always done nano /var/mail/user what is mail command? |
| 00:01.17 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.25 | codeblue | no such command |
| 00:01.26 | emretemp | well, just created my first ajax website ,) is it ok if i post it here? maybe u can check if everything is ok with different browsers. |
| 00:01.27 | unop | $ which mail |
| 00:01.27 | unop | /usr/bin/mail |
| 00:01.29 | SnoFox | Is it true, Nvidia cards can't output to two D-SUB(VGA) ports and an S-Video simultaniously? |
| 00:01.46 | codeblue | Im running a debian server its prob not installed |
| 00:01.51 | stoned | SnoFox, they can |
| 00:02.03 | SnoFox | Ghost's a liar then. :D |
| 00:02.12 | stoned | SnoFox, however the nvidia I owned had 1 dvi 1 dsub |
| 00:02.25 | stoned | SnoFox, I had two vga monitors hooked up and a tv |
| 00:02.25 | memnon | codeblue: you have no mail? package is standard ... |
| 00:02.25 | codeblue | $ which mail : no output |
| 00:02.43 | stoned | SnoFox, dvi>dsub plug |
| 00:02.52 | SnoFox | I have two D-Sub ports and an S-Video. Nvidia Geforce FX 5200. |
| 00:03.02 | codeblue | im on an ovh system it may not be installed as default |
| 00:03.08 | SnoFox | stoned, I only have D-Sub ports in my monitors. Old CRTs. |
| 00:03.09 | stoned | it should work |
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| 00:03.34 | SnoFox | Okay. Off to configuring X then. |
| 00:03.45 | _adrenaline | Hey what is the command for the nvidia drivers for debian in apt-get? |
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| 00:03.58 | _adrenaline | I forgot and google is not being friendly to me right now |
| 00:03.59 | stoned | !tell _adrenaline -about nvidia |
| 00:04.03 | codeblue | nvidia-glx-XX i think |
| 00:04.10 | codeblue | ^^ _adrenaline |
| 00:04.10 | stoned | codeblue, no |
| 00:04.13 | codeblue | no |
| 00:04.14 | codeblue | lol |
| 00:04.29 | _adrenaline | I did nvidia-glx and it said it was obsoleted and won't install |
| 00:04.48 | codeblue | do apt-cache search nvidia |
| 00:04.48 | stoned | _adrenaline, read the msg from dpkg |
| 00:04.54 | _adrenaline | k |
| 00:05.04 | stoned | _adrenaline, are you trying to install the drivers? |
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| 00:06.01 | codeblue | unop, script seems to be working now |
| 00:06.16 | codeblue | :D |
| 00:06.40 | _adrenaline | stoned yes |
| 00:07.11 | stoned | _adrenaline, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 00:07.27 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 00:07.27 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 00:07.36 | stoned | !dpkg.web.search |
| 00:07.36 | dpkg | i heard dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 00:07.42 | stoned | ^^ |
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| 00:08.22 | natsukao | hello |
| 00:08.25 | stoned | hi |
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| 00:09.37 | _adrenaline | Wow that is really old I don't use X86Free |
| 00:09.42 | natsukao | i need of a fre software to mount movies that at the moment are in *flv and then after to be mounted, converted in *.ogv |
| 00:09.56 | _adrenaline | or XF86Config |
| 00:10.11 | natsukao | to convert i use ffmpeg2theora-0.22.linux32.bin |
| 00:10.31 | natsukao | but i have not a software to mount movies |
| 00:10.51 | natsukao | what can i use ? |
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| 00:11.13 | memnon | natsukao: movies are in flv? |
| 00:11.15 | stoned | natsukao, you want to playback .bin you can use mplayer directly on it or vlc directly on it |
| 00:11.44 | natsukao | no, i want to mount |
| 00:11.45 | newsense__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.48 | stoned | natsukao, they will auto detect and auto decode, so long as you have w32codecs, and vlc has most of the stuff bunbled in so you should be ok |
| 00:12.18 | stoned | natsukao, .bin is a cd image, you can use bin2iso to conver it and mount it natively under linux, or you can use cdemu and mount the .bin it self |
| 00:12.18 | natsukao | vlc is only a mplayer |
| 00:12.25 | _adrenaline | Nope that isn't going to work |
| 00:12.30 | natsukao | is not a software to mount movies |
| 00:12.41 | Element14 | what do you mean by "mount movies"? |
| 00:12.45 | stoned | natsukao, fine, have it your way. Have fun figuring out |
| 00:12.46 | stoned | :) |
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| 00:13.22 | memnon | natsukao: You have file in .flv. Where, on a cd? usbstick? |
| 00:13.43 | nik0nian2 | He wants to mount the image to he can go to /movie |
| 00:13.54 | natsukao | i have movies *.flv on my own hdd |
| 00:13.56 | nik0nian2 | the same way you can mount a zip file to a drive in windows |
| 00:14.05 | nik0nian2 | I *think* that's what he wants |
| 00:14.46 | stoned | natsukao, what do you want to do with the movies *.flv? |
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| 00:14.54 | nik0nian2 | But now that I think about that, I'm not sure why you'd want to do that...:) |
| 00:14.54 | memnon | natsukao: So you want to convert them. But what do you want to mount? |
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| 00:15.12 | natsukao | i need a software to mount the movies |
| 00:15.25 | Element14 | do you know what mount means? :-/ |
| 00:15.28 | stoned | natsukao, please explain what you think that means, to mount a movie. |
| 00:15.28 | natsukao | i want to do one movie |
| 00:15.30 | nik0nian2 | Define *mount* |
| 00:15.37 | natsukao | i got different movies |
| 00:15.41 | Element14 | oh |
| 00:15.46 | Element14 | concatenate? |
| 00:15.54 | memnon | ah, join those files in one? |
| 00:15.59 | stoned | natsukao, you need a video editor? |
| 00:16.05 | natsukao | yes |
| 00:16.08 | stoned | natsukao, kino |
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| 00:16.24 | natsukao | it is not good for files *.flv |
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| 00:16.31 | lostson | what is a good way to search via mp3 tag i have over 1000 files and i want to sort them via album name in the mp3 tag |
| 00:16.54 | stoned | natsukao, then your other option is to use mplayer/mencoder |
| 00:17.18 | stoned | natsukao, make a playlist of all the flv files and playthem one by one and have it dump out and transcoded via mencoder |
| 00:17.36 | folken | lostson: id3tool can read id3tags from mp3s. |
| 00:17.52 | natsukao | so there is not a free software similar to not free software avid ? |
| 00:17.55 | folken | lostson: personally i have written an mp3sorter with perl and libimage-exif-perl |
| 00:17.58 | memnon | natsukao: google concatenate flv linux. There are plenty of long answers around |
| 00:18.10 | enouf | dondelelcaro: gotcha (about inetd's default config changed) |
| 00:18.29 | lostson | well i just need to sort them so i can place them in directories for which album they are from |
| 00:18.30 | enouf | dondelelcaro: thanks again for walking me through that |
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| 00:20.43 | enouf | mplayer has a profile feature (if that helps) .. and a slave feature which i;ve been meaning to investigate |
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| 00:21.19 | SnoFox | Okay. I've got my xorg.conf file here, and the metamodes option has three displays. I just want to make sure if this is valid? |
| 00:22.21 | enouf | natsukao: here's a nice list http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html |
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| 00:24.17 | SnoFox | It looks like this: Option "metamodes" "CRT-0: 1024x768 +1024+0, CRT-1: 1024x768 +0+0, TV: 1024x768 +2048+0" |
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| 00:25.10 | folken | lostson: then id3tool should be quite adeqaute, you can read the album tag easely. |
| 00:25.29 | lostson | can you search an entire folder with it |
| 00:26.48 | enouf | !tell lostson -about using find |
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| 00:28.41 | dondelelcaro | enouf: np; glad that it's clear now |
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| 00:28.55 | Dex | http://www.xpango.com?ref=91588887 |
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| 00:29.18 | folken | lostson: you could use find /my/folder -type f -exec id3tool -option "{}" \; |
| 00:29.43 | memnon | I really have to learn some basic bash scripting for things like this. |
| 00:30.42 | folken | memnon: there is abs the advanced bash scripting guide. |
| 00:31.27 | memnon | found it. Looking into it... |
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| 00:32.19 | folken | memnon: also if you prefeer hardcopy: "UNIX Power Tools" is a really great book. |
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| 00:33.35 | memnon | folken: Now, that I started using emacs, I maybe should consider using (e)lisp. |
| 00:33.45 | stone1961 | do you have some sample debian install for programmer? |
| 00:34.00 | enouf | does who have what? |
| 00:34.24 | memnon | folken: But thats not useful to helpl someone like lostson on his tagging problem... |
| 00:34.34 | slidesinger | I wish to remove sessions from the display manager, in particular gnome and kde from the available list under kdm. I have checked into kdmrc and it does not seem to offer this functionality. Does anyone know which file I need to modify? |
| 00:34.47 | stone1961 | something like a wiki how to install best for example for c++ programmer |
| 00:34.57 | stone1961 | what kind of progs and so on |
| 00:35.14 | folken | stone1961: there is "build-essential" its a meta package for quite a few tools. |
| 00:35.26 | enouf | slidesinger: i think there's a file in /usr/share/kdm ? you might need to modify - oh, and try /etc/kde3/* |
| 00:35.34 | enouf | slidesinger: might ask in #debian-kde |
| 00:35.43 | stone1961 | that sounds good folken |
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| 00:35.54 | chfwiggum | stone1961: u might also want to check out the packages list on debian.org |
| 00:36.10 | folken | stone1961: it installes gcc and header files at least you can compile a hello world. :) |
| 00:36.32 | stone1961 | i guess iwillneed thisfor a hello debian |
| 00:36.37 | slidesinger | stone1961: You definitely need the build-essentials package and the dev libraries, plus a good editor with predefined or definable tab stops. |
| 00:36.58 | enouf | slidesinger: hrm .. there's lots in file:///usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/ .. but i don't see all them in my kdm when i start it |
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| 00:38.24 | folken | slidesinger: wasn't there once a task for "development environment" ? |
| 00:38.26 | slidesinger | enouf: That may be what I'm looking for. The file used to be in /etc/kde3/kdm at one time. Thanks, I'll also try #debian-kde. Didn't know such a channel existed. Thanks again. |
| 00:38.44 | slidesinger | folken: I believe so. |
| 00:39.22 | folken | slidesinger: i can't find it in lenny.. so it might no longer be current. |
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| 00:39.31 | abrotman | it's not there anymore |
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| 00:40.30 | folken | boah.. playing halflife two gives me the creeps.. |
| 00:40.42 | slidesinger | stone1961: You running etch or lenny? |
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| 00:44.42 | enouf | folken: tasksel --list-tasks? but i don't know of a task for that |
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| 00:44.48 | slidesinger | stone1961: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/ for etch and http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/ for lenny. Lists everything, so you will have to research each package, but I usually find something useful that way. If you're doing multiple machines, consider using jablicator as it builds the second box quite easily. |
| 00:45.03 | enouf | stone1961: you should read the debian reference |
| 00:45.12 | enouf | !tell stone1961 -about grounding |
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| 00:45.45 | enouf | judd: versions jablicator |
| 00:45.46 | judd | enouf: jablicator -- etch: 1.0-7 lenny: 1.0-7 sid: 1.0-7 |
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| 00:45.59 | enouf | interesting .. |
| 00:46.06 | enouf | judd: versions systemimager |
| 00:46.06 | judd | enouf: systemimager -- |
| 00:46.11 | enouf | judd: versions system-imager |
| 00:46.12 | judd | enouf: system-imager -- |
| 00:46.15 | enouf | bah |
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| 00:46.48 | amphi | !blame the porbs |
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| 00:46.48 | dpkg | blames eightyeight and the porbs for all the evil in the world |
| 00:46.56 | slidesinger | enouf: Cool, I didn't know those docs existed, and I've been reading articles at debian-administration for seven years now. |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | probes ? |
| 00:47.04 | stone1961 | slidesinger debian 4 |
| 00:47.18 | enouf | judd: versions systemimager-common |
| 00:47.19 | judd | enouf: systemimager-common -- etch: 3.6.3dfsg1-3 sid: 3.6.3dfsg1-3 |
| 00:47.26 | amphi | too Gibsonian |
| 00:47.33 | slidesinger | stone1961: aka stable aka etch. |
| 00:47.36 | enouf | slidesinger: ;-) |
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| 00:48.00 | enouf | slidesinger: you do know about wiki.debian.org as well .. aye? |
| 00:48.26 | stone1961 | i am just installing my basic system and i used ubuntu years ago |
| 00:48.45 | enouf | slidesinger: debian is loaded with all sorts of goodies ;-) .. never ceases to amaze me what i find .. |
| 00:49.02 | enouf | slidesinger: 20,000 or so pkgs IIRC |
| 00:49.30 | enouf | amphi: haha .. just saw that :-p |
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| 00:50.18 | enouf | abrotman: it's a misspelling (typo of mine) for probs/problems .. ;-) |
| 00:50.27 | slidesinger | enouf: Something like that. More than ubuntu, though each has some the other does not. |
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| 00:53.56 | stone_1961 | thx abrotman |
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| 00:55.44 | enouf | folken: i wonder how well debtags would do for searching out and grouping software for a devel env |
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| 00:56.04 | enouf | !debtags |
| 00:56.04 | dpkg | from memory, debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
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| 00:58.39 | flacom | hello, in ubuntu I need to pass all_generic_ide option at installation boot time for my hard drive to be recognized in the installation, there is that option in debian? |
| 00:59.21 | enouf | flacom: yes .. IIRC |
| 00:59.31 | enouf | flacom: but it's .. one sec |
| 00:59.38 | karsten | flacom: You should be ableo to specify that at boot time, it's a kernel parameter. |
| 00:59.44 | enouf | flacom: install generic.all_generic_ide=1 |
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| 00:59.48 | karsten | flacom: The install disk help should address that. |
| 00:59.55 | karsten | !win enouf |
| 00:59.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:00.10 | enouf | w00h00 .. someone take my pic quick! |
| 01:00.41 | karsten | !shoot enouf |
| 01:00.42 | dpkg | blows enouf away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
| 01:00.49 | karsten | Damn, wrong camera again. |
| 01:01.04 | enouf | heh |
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| 01:02.55 | enouf | flacom: another possible option is install libata.atapi_enabled=1 - and there are others, but you shouldn't need to use them - if you do, please file an installation report (do so anyways .. it helps) .. details in the installation guide - and please use the most recent ISO you can find - so if Etch, get 4.0r6 or a Daily image |
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| 01:03.36 | slidesinger | enouf: I think I have it now. Seems to be /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop. I'll let you know for sure. |
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| 01:03.45 | slidesinger | bbl |
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| 01:03.55 | enouf | flacom: also, hit f1-f10, note; install{gui}, expert{gui}, rescue{gui} .. 6 modes, each can be used with those above options, i only chose to show "install ...." |
| 01:03.57 | lastn0de | anyone here running a bcm43xx fw? |
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| 01:04.14 | flacom | karsten, enouf : thks... but I'm still getting the error... the formating is stuck at 33% |
| 01:04.22 | magyar | hi, is there a reason why dig in etch doesn't return all root servers? |
| 01:04.31 | magyar | hi, is there a reason why dig in lenny doesn't return all root servers? |
| 01:04.33 | enouf | flacom: gah! ... it's you with that formatting issue? |
| 01:04.45 | flacom | enouf, yep.. |
| 01:04.46 | enouf | flacom: what other options are you passing the installer? |
| 01:04.54 | lummox | Hello. My soundcard does not work correctly. I have a laptop with "82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller". Someone I found via Google said that using a newer version of alsa would solve the problem. |
| 01:05.00 | flacom | enouf, only the generic |
| 01:05.01 | enouf | flacom: has that HDD ever been used prior? |
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| 01:05.07 | lummox | I can get sound via the internal speakers of my laptop but not using the external ones. |
| 01:05.36 | enouf | flacom: i need to run out now ... gah ... be back later .. sometime .. might be hours .. |
| 01:05.38 | flacom | enouf, yes, the HDD works in other pc |
| 01:05.51 | flacom | enouf, np ;) |
| 01:05.53 | lummox | in Fedora I could get sound from external ones, too, so it works in Linux. I have 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64. |
| 01:06.01 | karsten | flacom: erm, error on what? |
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| 01:06.50 | karsten | flacom: My preference would be to boot the system under Knoppix and set up disk partitions and filesystems there. You've got more tools for troubleshooting if things go wrong there. |
| 01:06.57 | flacom | karsten, when I set the partitions and then start to create the partitions, the process stuck at 33% |
| 01:07.01 | flacom | always |
| 01:07.41 | flacom | karsten, i will try that |
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| 01:12.00 | TwistOfFate | well, i've just done a dist-upgrade to 4.0r6 |
| 01:12.08 | TwistOfFate | i feel safe and secure that i'm only 3 yrs behind now, instead of 4. |
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| 01:12.37 | karsten | flacom: Switching consoles may give you more info on what specifically is happening / is hanging. |
| 01:13.01 | karsten | TwistOfFate: Yay! |
| 01:13.34 | TwistOfFate | i'm sock of this old, stale etch crap |
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| 01:13.39 | TwistOfFate | can i upgrade to lenny safely? |
| 01:14.10 | karsten | TwistOfFate: Probably, no guarantees. |
| 01:14.18 | TwistOfFate | wait, if i upgrade to lenny, i get no security updates right? |
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| 01:15.15 | karsten | No, there's a security testing repo no. |
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| 01:15.34 | karsten | !testing security |
| 01:15.34 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 01:16.07 | slidesinger | enouf: the files I needed were in /usr/share/xsessions -- Thanks for your help. |
| 01:16.23 | TwistOfFate | wow, there is security updates |
| 01:16.42 | TwistOfFate | so it's best to use aptitude rather than apt hey? |
| 01:17.52 | karsten | aptitude >>> apt-get, yes. |
| 01:17.56 | karsten | (is much better than). |
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| 01:20.04 | slidesinger | TwistOfFate: aptitude != apt-get, but I have been using apt-get and custom scripts for years, not going to stop now. apt-get is more flexible while aptitude is a high level utillity. |
| 01:20.38 | memnon | slidesinger: ? What can apt-get do, that aptitude can not? |
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| 01:24.08 | slidesinger | memnon: run from a script with arguments and no user intervention, unless I read the man page wrong. |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | why can't aptitude do that ? |
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| 01:26.48 | stoned | what about build-dep and/or -b source or just source |
| 01:26.57 | stoned | backporting things? |
| 01:27.35 | slidesinger | aptitude is a curses interface? |
| 01:27.51 | lostson | slidesinger: yes i believe so |
| 01:27.55 | stoned | its also a commandline util |
| 01:27.56 | bolt | I setup my graphics card with the vesa driver and connected a 10" TV to the s-video port. When I load X in 800x600 resolution, which is the native resolution of the TV (apparently), the picture is offset a bit down and right. Is there a way to easily adjust the scan so the image shows up correctly? (the tv has no settings for this) |
| 01:28.48 | stone_1961 | hm i have now 2 emacs |
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| 01:29.03 | stone_1961 | text and x11 |
| 01:29.16 | stone_1961 | is this ok? |
| 01:29.16 | slidesinger | bolt: 4:3 or 16:9? |
| 01:29.23 | bolt | slidesinger: 4:3 |
| 01:29.35 | slidesinger | stone_1961: |
| 01:29.41 | slidesinger | stone_1961: yes |
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| 01:29.59 | slidesinger | stone_1961: Typically you will only use one or the other, however. |
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| 01:30.14 | stone_1961 | one for xserver and one for commandline mode? |
| 01:30.22 | stoned | what does he want to do witih apt-get ? |
| 01:33.36 | lostson | hmm why isnt easytag in lenny ? |
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| 01:34.01 | abrotman | was it in etch ? |
| 01:34.06 | abrotman | judd: versions easytag |
| 01:34.08 | judd | abrotman: easytag -- etch: 1.99.12-1 sid: 2.1.4-1.1 |
| 01:34.16 | abrotman | dpkg: why is easytag not in testing |
| 01:34.17 | dpkg | easytag is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=easytag |
| 01:34.19 | stoned | install it from sid |
| 01:34.23 | stoned | its will be ok |
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| 01:34.28 | stoned | it* |
| 01:34.57 | stoned | lostson, add a repository of sid in your sources.list and apt-get -t unstable install easytag |
| 01:34.57 | slidesinger | bolt: Yeah, I think 800x600 is correct. I don't know about controls, I couldn't find anything. Check the video config in gnome or kde. |
| 01:35.12 | abrotman | stoned: shouldn't you tell him about pinning ? |
| 01:35.20 | stoned | in this case? |
| 01:35.22 | abrotman | or perhaps just get the package from packages.d.o and manually install |
| 01:35.23 | stoned | nah not really |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | stoned: well, you diddn't tell him to remove the line after he was done |
| 01:35.45 | stoned | oh you're right I'm thinking experimental |
| 01:35.48 | lostson | ok 939 songs to go |
| 01:35.50 | stoned | otherwise he'd get upgraded |
| 01:35.54 | stoned | doh |
| 01:37.01 | stoned | what does easy tag do? apart from obivously tagging media |
| 01:37.25 | stoned | (I use Amarok and it works just fine, you can also use exaile) |
| 01:37.26 | lostson | thats about it as far as i know |
| 01:37.45 | stoned | amarok has functions to fetch information from musizbrainz, does easytag? |
| 01:37.52 | lostson | i dont have amarok and exaile always was so mem and proc hungry |
| 01:38.19 | lostson | easytag has some features in it i never used alot of them i never had a huge project like this before |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | lostson: but you're only going to use it once basically |
| 01:38.56 | lostson | no not really i used it alot before switching to debian |
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| 01:39.05 | lostson | i have alot more i can use it on |
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| 01:40.01 | stoned | I've over 300gb of music ;) |
| 01:40.11 | stoned | all 100% properly tagged |
| 01:40.16 | stone_1961 | i see no letters in my emacs |
| 01:40.18 | stoned | thanks to aamrok |
| 01:40.23 | stoned | stone_1961, letters? |
| 01:40.26 | TwistOfFate | so rather than move to lenny, could i stay at etch and just install packages from lenny/sid? |
| 01:40.27 | stone_1961 | and i cannot type in |
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| 01:40.52 | stoned | TwistOfFate, which software are you looking for? |
| 01:40.54 | FAJ | dll'd burned, and am installing debian downstairs :) |
| 01:40.54 | stone_1961 | only placeholder for letters |
| 01:40.57 | stoned | TwistOfFate, in general, no. |
| 01:40.58 | lostson | well i got this torrent and it had over 1000 songs in it and unfortunately not neatly arranged like i would do it |
| 01:41.16 | stoned | !tell TwistOfFate -about backports |
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| 01:41.25 | memnon | stone_1961: you installed emacs? |
| 01:41.35 | stone_1961 | i said apitude install emacs |
| 01:41.42 | stone_1961 | and then auctex |
| 01:41.46 | stoned | lostson, I'm working on a php-gtk script that will run file by file and auto get tags |
| 01:41.50 | lostson | emacs is possibly my favorite app of all time |
| 01:41.51 | TwistOfFate | stoned, what about moving to lenny and installing packages from sid? |
| 01:41.52 | TwistOfFate | same deal? |
| 01:42.00 | stoned | TwistOfFate, why? |
| 01:42.04 | stoned | TwistOfFate, in general no. |
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| 01:42.08 | TwistOfFate | ok. |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: mixing, in general, is not a good plan |
| 01:42.19 | lostson | stoned: will it then sort them to directories based on the album section of the tag ? |
| 01:42.21 | TwistOfFate | final question. are backports available for testing, or only stable? |
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| 01:42.31 | memnon | stone_1961: try emacs -nw in a terminal. Then, you should see letters. |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: normally testing doesn't really need many backports .. |
| 01:42.43 | stoned | lostson, I dunno, I have only started work on the logic to read the directory full of mp3s |
| 01:42.45 | stone_1961 | i am a newbe to emacs lotson |
| 01:42.57 | memnon | stone_1961: You installed 22.2.1? |
| 01:43.00 | stoned | lostson, rest of it isn't, I am actually now considering moving to gtk# |
| 01:43.06 | lostson | stone_1961: i am too really there is alot to learn but its fun |
| 01:43.09 | stoned | that might be better suited |
| 01:43.14 | TwistOfFate | when is the release of lenny going to happen? any approx date |
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| 01:43.21 | stoned | php-gtk is fun but its nothing serious |
| 01:43.27 | stoned | TwistOfFate, no date |
| 01:43.29 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: nope .. |
| 01:43.30 | lostson | TwistOfFate: lol gonna be awhile i think |
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| 01:43.49 | lostson | i am using lenny as we speak though TwistOfFate and it is quite stable |
| 01:43.51 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: there's a vote currently going on that could delay it significantly |
| 01:43.54 | Szeraax | so I decided to put debian on my old netfinity server, but since I could not use a CD, I copied my debian that I have on a flash drive to a disk with a linux-on-floppy mini distro doing the work. I then used boot.ini and grub for windows in order to actually boot this recently copied installation. Now I can't write any changes to files unless root. also, can't sudo. |
| 01:43.55 | Zharf | lostson, try musicbrainz picardqt to tag/rename/move the files? |
| 01:44.00 | TwistOfFate | bloody debian and their 10yr release cycle...i'm moving to fedora. |
| 01:44.00 | Szeraax | sorry for the wall of text. its a story |
| 01:44.08 | stone_1961 | i do not know what kind of version memnon |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: sorry to hear that .. |
| 01:44.22 | lostson | TwistOfFate: i just left Fedora F10 is horribly slow and lethargic |
| 01:44.23 | memnon | stone_1961: You installed from the lenny repo? |
| 01:44.36 | stoned | 10 years is inaccurate |
| 01:44.39 | stone_1961 | i only see control g |
| 01:44.46 | TwistOfFate | i must admit, i would find it hard to leave debian. |
| 01:44.47 | stoned | longest one was sarge, and that took 2.5 years tops |
| 01:44.54 | stoned | round about 2.5 |
| 01:44.59 | lostson | its a shame they are more concerned with flashy effects and their own software and testing for RHEL than releasing a good solid distro |
| 01:44.59 | TwistOfFate | wouldn't mind playing with opensolaris though. i've always to use solaris. |
| 01:45.08 | stone_1961 | memnon the -nw works but i do not understand it |
| 01:45.29 | memnon | stone_1961: -nw is not the X version, but the terminal version. |
| 01:45.38 | lostson | ok im getting off track here back to the task at hand |
| 01:45.39 | stone_1961 | this one works |
| 01:45.43 | lummox | lostson, I left F10 yesterday, too |
| 01:45.53 | stone_1961 | but not the x version |
| 01:45.55 | memnon | stone_1961: But the other thing should work, too |
| 01:45.59 | lostson | lummox: congrats and welcome to debian |
| 01:46.04 | memnon | thinks |
| 01:46.11 | stoned | debian sucks. |
| 01:46.13 | stone_1961 | there is only the logo and control g |
| 01:46.31 | stoned | windows is much better |
| 01:46.32 | memnon | stone_1961: control g? displayed down at the bottom? |
| 01:46.41 | lostson | lummox: Debian is exactly what i was looking for a nice stable setup without having to upgrade every 6 months in between broken system packages all the time |
| 01:46.45 | stone_1961 | no in the startfile |
| 01:46.49 | stoned | :( |
| 01:46.55 | lummox | but I am not sure if I stay with Debian... I am upgrading to lenny at the moment |
| 01:46.56 | lostson | lummox: welcome to a brand new world of linux excitement |
| 01:46.58 | TwistOfFate | so regarding testing. if i'm running testing, and testing becomes stable...what happens then? |
| 01:47.00 | stoned | *sigh* I can't troll worth a fuck. |
| 01:47.02 | lummox | lostson, :D |
| 01:47.10 | memnon | stoned: :) |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: that depends if you track testing or the codename |
| 01:47.24 | stoned | TwistOfFate, track names |
| 01:47.34 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: if you track testing, you will always be on testing, if you track the codename (currently lenny), you'll move to stable when lenny releases |
| 01:47.36 | stoned | TwistOfFate, if you track testing, it oesn't matter who is stable or who is testing |
| 01:47.49 | TwistOfFate | ahhhh |
| 01:47.49 | memnon | stone_1961: Okay, try in a terminal: emacs testfile & |
| 01:48.01 | lostson | lummox: lenny is great so far that and you cant beat apt thats for sure makes yum look incredibly slow |
| 01:48.02 | TwistOfFate | so it's fairly safe to move to lenny at this point? |
| 01:48.11 | stoned | !rc bugs |
| 01:48.12 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 01:48.17 | stoned | check that first |
| 01:48.25 | lummox | yes, apt is faster than yum, at least it feels so :D |
| 01:48.26 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: yes in most cases |
| 01:48.38 | stone_1961 | mom |
| 01:48.41 | lostson | TwistOfFate: i did and have not had any problems at all |
| 01:48.59 | lostson | TwistOfFate: well a small problem with exim4 but that was operator error |
| 01:49.01 | lostson | lol |
| 01:49.02 | stoned | mom? |
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| 01:49.20 | mordy | mom?! |
| 01:49.29 | Administrador | Asians, Whites, Amerindians, and Mestizos are descended from extraterrestrials who mixed with anthropoids and Neanderthals. Niggggers really did solely evolve from just MONKEYS. Join us today at Chimpout.com! No matter what race you are, as long as you aren't a nigiigger. http://www.chimpout.com/forum/index.php |
| 01:49.44 | stoned | I love monkeys! |
| 01:49.45 | stone_1961 | hm i cannot type in emacs |
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| 01:49.54 | stoned | Administrador, bye |
| 01:50.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@201.160.239.17.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] by abrotman |
| 01:50.01 | *** kick/#debian [Administrador!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (abrotman) |
| 01:50.20 | lostson | lol |
| 01:50.21 | stoned | I love especially the monkey Spike on Ace Ventura II |
| 01:50.24 | stoned | fuzzy n cute |
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| 01:50.41 | memnon | stone_1961: emacs opened the file. You still can not type? |
| 01:50.52 | memnon | stone_1961: Are there at least some boxes? |
| 01:50.56 | memnon | anything? |
| 01:51.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b #debian!*@*] by abrotman |
| 01:51.04 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
| 01:51.09 | *** mode/#debian [-b #debian!*@*] by abrotman |
| 01:51.11 | lummox | cool ban, lol |
| 01:51.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b Administrador!*@*.cableonline.com.mx] by abrotman |
| 01:51.23 | stone_1961 | in xserver mode there are boxes |
| 01:51.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | see if that keeps him out |
| 01:51.40 | stoned | what boxes? |
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| 01:51.49 | mordy | you just banned 1/5 of mexico |
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| 01:52.05 | avu | no he didn't. |
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| 01:52.11 | stoned | 08:51 Ignorance List: |
| 01:52.11 | stoned | 08:51 1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
| 01:52.14 | stoned | :) |
| 01:52.23 | ManateeLazyCat | I use aptitude upgrade to upgrade system, and occur error "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" when "dpkg --configure" desktop-base |
| 01:52.25 | ManateeLazyCat | any help? |
| 01:52.43 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, show full console output |
| 01:52.50 | TwistOfFate | it appears the bugs in lenny are coming down dramatically according to this graph. |
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| 01:52.54 | memnon | stone: Fresh emacs install, seems that he got no real font. Only boxes instead of letters appear. |
| 01:52.58 | stone_1961 | buffer is read only in terminal mode |
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| 01:53.07 | mordy | don't know much about irc, but i gather that ban was on any ip from that isp (cableonline.com.mx) lol |
| 01:53.21 | TwistOfFate | mordy |
| 01:53.25 | TwistOfFate | the format of a hostmask is |
| 01:53.26 | memnon | Mhh, is this an utf problem? |
| 01:53.32 | TwistOfFate | nickname!ident@host.com |
| 01:53.38 | stone_1961 | yes memnon |
| 01:53.49 | ManateeLazyCat | pasted "error list" at http://paste2.org/p/118830 |
| 01:53.55 | ManateeLazyCat | stone_1961: See above |
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| 01:54.10 | TwistOfFate | mordy, so a ban on Administrador!*@*.cableonline.com.mx means ban anyone from cableonline.com.mx using nick administrador |
| 01:54.31 | lummox | now it must download 1.3 GiB :( from the slow mirror.. someone should write apt with parallel downloading from all mirros, hehe |
| 01:54.48 | stoned | TwistOfFate, no |
| 01:54.52 | stoned | mordy, also no |
| 01:54.54 | mordy | twistoffate, i see now - my eyes are failing me |
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| 01:54.56 | memnon | chimpout. I can not belief I actual had a look at it. shame on me. |
| 01:54.59 | mordy | i was wrong |
| 01:55.00 | stoned | it means ban that nickname from that domain |
| 01:55.05 | stoned | only that nickname fromt hat domain |
| 01:55.09 | [aaron] | anyone here ever connected VMWARE ESX to a Debian NFS export? |
| 01:55.12 | mordy | didn't see the nick before the ip |
| 01:55.12 | mandric | hello, i'm getting an error from nginx install and i can't remove it either ... http://dpaste.com/101153/ how do i fix this? |
| 01:55.15 | mordy | isp* |
| 01:55.22 | TwistOfFate | Stoned, isn' that what i jus said |
| 01:55.30 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: Looks like error occur when dpkg configure with "desktop-base" |
| 01:55.31 | stoned | TwistOfFate, yes you did |
| 01:55.35 | memnon | stone_1961: Did aptitude show any problems on installing? |
| 01:55.36 | stoned | TwistOfFate, I misread |
| 01:55.38 | ben1597 | I'm having trouble with specifying keyboard inputdevices under X. |
| 01:56.12 | stoned | oh boy |
| 01:56.15 | stoned | !cz |
| 01:56.15 | dpkg | [cz] Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 01:56.17 | stoned | hm |
| 01:56.22 | lummox | all people stop downloading from ftp.de.debian.org, you steal my time |
| 01:56.22 | stoned | thats chicnese or soemthing |
| 01:56.24 | stoned | I see boxes |
| 01:56.31 | mordy | stoned? |
| 01:56.32 | TwistOfFate | so judging by this release-critical graph, lenny should become stable by q2 2009 |
| 01:56.40 | ben1597 | has anyone encountered erratic keyboard behavior (i.e. pressing one key yields an occasional string of 6+ characters or often repeating keypresses) |
| 01:56.41 | mordy | where? lol |
| 01:56.56 | stone_1961 | no memnon |
| 01:57.05 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, I'm sorry I can't figure that out |
| 01:57.07 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: I use "dpkg --configure deskop-base", and error occur. |
| 01:57.14 | stone_1961 | manateelazy what do you refer to? |
| 01:57.20 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:57.28 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: Thanks i try. |
| 01:57.31 | stone_1961 | i just upgrade |
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| 01:58.40 | mordy | oh, that's chinese, cn |
| 01:58.52 | mordy | !cn |
| 01:58.52 | dpkg | i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 01:59.16 | memnon | stone_1961: I don't understand it. This really should work without any problems ... |
| 01:59.30 | stone_1961 | yes |
| 01:59.43 | stone_1961 | i just see boxes and no letters |
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| 02:00.13 | stone_1961 | i wrote now aptitude upgrade i hope that was no mistake |
| 02:00.17 | ManateeLazyCat | mordy: Don't joking with me. #debian-zh no anyone at here. |
| 02:00.33 | ManateeLazyCat | there |
| 02:00.48 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, try irc.debian.org |
| 02:01.07 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, which is irc.oftc.net |
| 02:01.18 | stone_1961 | hm he wants to download 291 mb after this statement |
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| 02:01.52 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: Have you occur same problem when upgrade? |
| 02:01.52 | memnon | stone_1961: have a look at this: http://strcat.de/blog/archives/1321-Emacs-22.2.1-und-UTF-8.html |
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| 02:02.00 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, no I have not |
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| 02:02.09 | stone_1961 | thx |
| 02:02.14 | memnon | stone_1961: I had no such problems, but this might help. |
| 02:02.16 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, unfortunately your language doesn't show up correctly on my system |
| 02:02.20 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, I can't help you :( |
| 02:02.32 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, try irc.oftc.net the -zh or -cn channel there |
| 02:02.41 | mordy | it shows up correctly but i really don't understand anything :| |
| 02:02.44 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: Thank you very much, anyway. |
| 02:02.50 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, you're welcome |
| 02:02.55 | stone_1961 | thx |
| 02:03.03 | Fenor | Hello guys I have x-session-manag listening on a port on my server with xfce4, is it normal ? |
| 02:03.17 | mordy | let me see |
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| 02:03.25 | Fenor | on the same kind of system but with ubuntu it doesn't |
| 02:03.31 | ManateeLazyCat | BTW, guys, if you want have better UTF-8 support in Emacs, please use Emacs 23 |
| 02:03.43 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, oh.. thanks |
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| 02:04.00 | Rillaspora | http://www.sexy-sarah.info/?uid=217952 |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | Fenor: listening on which address ? |
| 02:04.04 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: If you have any problem with Emacs, join #emacs, i will help you. |
| 02:04.07 | stone_1961 | hm should i install now 291 mb? i wonder or better try aptitude safeupgrade? |
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| 02:04.10 | stoned | oh for the love of god |
| 02:04.13 | *** mode/#debian [-o+b abrotman *!*@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman |
| 02:04.14 | stoned | why #debian? |
| 02:04.16 | memnon | stone_1961: Did it help? |
| 02:04.16 | stoned | wtf did we do? |
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| 02:04.36 | Fenor | abrotman all internet |
| 02:04.36 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, I'm good with emacs, thank you. However stone_1961 could use some help |
| 02:04.39 | Rillaspora | http://www.sexy-sarah.info/?uid=217952 |
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| 02:04.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@83.228.82.7] by abrotman |
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| 02:04.51 | stoned | abort |
| 02:04.52 | abrotman | that was nice of me |
| 02:04.59 | stoned | :/ |
| 02:05.00 | abrotman | stoned: that's not funny, stop |
| 02:05.00 | stone_1961 | i am still thinking wether upgrading or not memnon |
| 02:05.02 | lostson | haha there goes another one |
| 02:05.12 | stoned | I think its hilarious |
| 02:05.49 | memnon | stone_1961: upgrading? |
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| 02:06.09 | stone_1961 | i just typed yes |
| 02:06.13 | memnon | stone_1961: aptitude update&& aptitude upgrade? |
| 02:06.15 | stone_1961 | yes upgrading |
| 02:06.21 | stone_1961 | yes menon |
| 02:06.34 | stone_1961 | sorry memnon |
| 02:06.40 | memnon | stone_1961: You just installed emacs, so why should that help? |
| 02:06.53 | stone_1961 | true |
| 02:06.54 | stoned | lol |
| 02:06.55 | ManateeLazyCat | stone_1961: Any help with Emacs? |
| 02:07.11 | memnon | stone_1961: Just try the link! Its a matter of 20 seconds. |
| 02:07.16 | Fenor | abrotman do you think it's linked to debian and it's normal ? |
| 02:07.26 | stone_1961 | yes |
| 02:07.43 | ManateeLazyCat | stone_1961: Join #emacs, i will help you |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | Fenor: i asked which address to see if it's just listening locally or over the network |
| 02:07.55 | Fenor | I notice the main difference on the configuration is Consolekit |
| 02:08.08 | Fenor | abrotman the both |
| 02:08.09 | memnon | ManateeLazyCat: He just installed emacs, -nw works, but some font problem with X version |
| 02:08.45 | mordy | memnon, had that problem once - you basically need to fiddle arouond with emacs font settings a bit |
| 02:08.55 | mordy | after that i didn't have a problem |
| 02:08.56 | Fenor | abrotman two processus on 2 different ports, but only one of it is open to internet |
| 02:09.06 | memnon | I think this would help http://strcat.de/blog/archives/1321-Emacs-22.2.1-und-UTF-8.html |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | Fenor: can you paste it in a pastebin ? |
| 02:09.29 | stone_1961 | ManateeLazyCat i am just upgrading |
| 02:09.57 | ManateeLazyCat | pasted "paste2.el" at http://paste2.org/p/118835 |
| 02:10.08 | Fenor | abrotman http://paste.pocoo.org/show/96130/ |
| 02:10.19 | ManateeLazyCat | Anyone use Emacs, can use my extension for paste at paste2.org fast in Emacs. |
| 02:10.37 | abrotman | Fenor: which ports concern you ? |
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| 02:10.53 | Fenor | abchirk ip with 46 = the server / with 47 = my PC |
| 02:10.55 | abrotman | Fenor: 6010 is only listening on localhost |
| 02:11.12 | memnon | checks paste2 |
| 02:11.24 | mordy | checks it too |
| 02:11.31 | Fenor | abrotman pid 2047 on the 46101 |
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| 02:12.07 | ManateeLazyCat | Guys, this extension just for paste thing in paste2.org in Emacs. |
| 02:12.16 | stone_1961 | is upgrading a mistake? |
| 02:12.28 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, cool, I'll check it out |
| 02:12.30 | ManateeLazyCat | Any bug or advice are welcome. |
| 02:12.54 | abrotman | Fenor: it's attached to your user .. seems like a setting in your DE perhaps ? |
| 02:13.01 | memnon | stone_1961: aptitude upgrade will probably not help with your problem. |
| 02:13.11 | ManateeLazyCat | Guys, the different of paste2.el is it can upload or download paste asynchronous, don't hange your Emacs. |
| 02:13.12 | stone_1961 | yes i guess so |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | ManateeLazyCat: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 02:13.31 | stone_1961 | in emacs channel they say you are right wqith fixed font |
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| 02:13.34 | Fenor | abrotman sorry the "DE" ? the tree if it helps http://paste.pocoo.org/show/96128/ |
| 02:13.42 | stone_1961 | and ManateeLazyCat helps me great |
| 02:13.59 | ManateeLazyCat | Okay, guys, i stop Emacs. |
| 02:14.11 | abrotman | Fenor: DE is xfce in this case .. is there some setting in xfce that might be doing that ? |
| 02:14.17 | memnon | stone_1961: I see it :) |
| 02:14.33 | lummox | ManateeLazyCat, you can hack apt to make it download from many mirrors in parallel to speed up downloading things, if you are bored. thanks ;D |
| 02:14.46 | Fenor | abrotman I was thinking of the XDMCP but xdm config files seems to forbid it |
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| 02:14.54 | abrotman | Fenor: it's running as your user |
| 02:15.04 | aidan | Is there any deb package for doing regular database backups (mysql)? |
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| 02:15.35 | Fenor | abrotman I have installed it without any change on the config |
| 02:15.42 | stoned | aidan, write a script and cron it |
| 02:15.55 | abrotman | Fenor: that doesn't mean it's not turned on |
| 02:15.55 | stoned | aidan, just dump the sql db |
| 02:15.57 | aidan | stoned: thought I'd double check there wasn't a package first ... |
| 02:16.10 | stoned | aidan, if there is I'm not knowing of it |
| 02:16.11 | aidan | stoned: yeh, it's rotation etc that I'm hesitant about |
| 02:16.13 | Fenor | abrotman I don't know if it is due to the default config |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | Fenor: log out of X .. switch to a console .. and see if the ports are still open |
| 02:16.15 | aidan | thanks :) |
| 02:16.20 | stoned | aidan, incremetn filenames or date them |
| 02:16.30 | stoned | aidan, yes, timestamp the file names |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | aidan: read the mysql docs about backing up the DB |
| 02:16.45 | Fenor | abrotman I checked it and no when I leave X, x-session-manag disapears |
| 02:16.47 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: desktop-base install error will have any side-effect, i'm not use GNOME or KED. |
| 02:17.04 | abrotman | Fenor: so it is something in your XFCE (and i don't use it to know what it might be) |
| 02:17.10 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, I'm not sure, it shouldn't if you don't use any DE |
| 02:17.16 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, for window manager no problem |
| 02:17.18 | abrotman | Fenor: if you just `ps aux` .. what is 2047 ? |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | i guess ps aux | grep 2047 |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | pgrep .. whatever |
| 02:17.47 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: This is bug of desktop-base or others thing? |
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| 02:18.30 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, check with the BTS |
| 02:18.45 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, I've no idea, I just simply use kde3-core |
| 02:18.54 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: Thanks, i use XMonad as my Window Manager. |
| 02:18.57 | Fenor | abrotman it's x-session-manager on my "user" |
| 02:19.03 | ManateeLazyCat | stoned: And i remove desktop-base, works fine. |
| 02:19.09 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, cool |
| 02:19.11 | abrotman | Fenor: that's the command ? |
| 02:19.21 | stoned | ManateeLazyCat, come to #debian-chat :) |
| 02:19.34 | abrotman | Fenor: which version of debian is this ? |
| 02:19.54 | lostson | ok down to 830 |
| 02:20.06 | Fenor | Linux machine 2.6.18-028stab059.6-ent #1 SMP Fri Nov 14 15:51:43 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:20.13 | Fenor | etch sorry |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | Fenor: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 02:22.24 | Fenor | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Dec 20 09:46 /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/xfce4-session |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | seems like xfce4 is opening those ports |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | i'd poke around for a setting in the config |
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| 02:23.56 | Fenor | abrotman is it linked to this part ? http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session |
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| 02:24.57 | abrotman | Fenor: i can only guess .. i don't use xfce |
| 02:25.10 | Fenor | abrotman ok so for you it's not linked to nomachine |
| 02:25.22 | abrotman | to what? |
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| 02:25.39 | Fenor | nomachine NX |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | oh .. i don't use NX either |
| 02:26.05 | Fenor | :) |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | there is a #nx here on freenode |
| 02:26.30 | Fenor | btw is it a risk of security ? |
| 02:26.37 | stoned | freenx |
| 02:26.49 | stoned | anything is at risk in security |
| 02:26.50 | stoned | online |
| 02:26.58 | stoned | Fenor, its fairly safe however |
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| 02:27.39 | Fenor | I wanted to say, is it an "acceptable" risk relating to my "normal" use ^^ |
| 02:27.51 | gsamsa | hi |
| 02:28.00 | gsamsa | how do i compile in debian? |
| 02:28.07 | stoned | gsamsa, depends on what it is |
| 02:28.13 | gsamsa | let's say i download something with apt-src |
| 02:28.22 | stoned | gsamsa, /msg dpkg package basics |
| 02:28.26 | gsamsa | are there any tools i should use? |
| 02:28.50 | stoned | gsamsa, you need build-essential, -dev packages for whatever you are trying to build |
| 02:29.03 | gsamsa | ok.... |
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| 02:29.05 | stoned | gsamsa, if you are grabbing deb-src then simply apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 02:29.27 | stoned | gsamsa, that will install the needed dependencies and dev packages you will need to build that source package |
| 02:29.45 | stoned | gsamsa, also /msg dpkg nmg <-- helpful |
| 02:29.52 | gsamsa | so i will build a deb package, and then install it with dpkg -i ? |
| 02:30.28 | stoned | yes |
| 02:30.44 | gsamsa | the thing is |
| 02:30.58 | gsamsa | my firefox is really slow... and i can't understand why |
| 02:31.05 | memnon | If someones installs emacs (not emacs-nox), should the package not check wether there is a suitable font already installed? Having just boxes is no good first impression :( |
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| 02:31.54 | stoned | gsamsa, I doubt rebuilding it is going to do much good |
| 02:32.10 | stoned | gsamsa, firefox has turned into what it originally intended not to. Bloatware |
| 02:32.16 | stoned | firefox is especially slow on linux |
| 02:32.29 | newsense | would one have iptables start with init level S or multiuser runlevels 2-5 ? |
| 02:32.39 | stoned | gsamsa, try Opera or Konqueror WEBKIT or Epiphane <-- however you spell it |
| 02:32.52 | aidan | how do I make crontab -e use VI? I don't know how to use nano :/ |
| 02:32.52 | gsamsa | stoned: which do you use? |
| 02:33.05 | memnon | gsamsa: slow starting, slow rendering pages? |
| 02:33.07 | stoned | I use all of them |
| 02:33.12 | stoned | I do web development |
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| 02:33.48 | stoned | mostly konqueror, but for my regular sites firefox |
| 02:33.53 | gsamsa | memnon: slow closing tabs, slow scrolling, slow starting |
| 02:33.55 | stoned | for regular searches irc licnks etc. etc. I use konq. |
| 02:34.07 | stoned | gsamsa, watch htop while you run firefox |
| 02:34.16 | stoned | monitor program cpu/mem usage |
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| 02:34.29 | stoned | gsamsa, remove any extentions you can do without |
| 02:34.53 | stoned | gsamsa, if you have greasemonkey, remove it, too much JS can slow down firefox horribly |
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| 02:35.15 | memnon | gsamsa: How much ram do you have in your machine? |
| 02:35.27 | gsamsa | 2 GB |
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| 02:36.14 | aidan | both EDITOR and VISUAL are "vi" |
| 02:36.20 | memnon | gsamsa: Uff, i've got only 512 mb. |
| 02:36.21 | aidan | god dammit |
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| 02:36.29 | gsamsa | the problem is that i use firefox in a windows machine at work, and the diference huge |
| 02:36.32 | stoned | vim |
| 02:36.36 | stoned | vi improved |
| 02:36.49 | gsamsa | memnon: i actually only use about 200 |
| 02:36.56 | jrf | mmm... spiting $DEITY |
| 02:37.27 | memnon | gsamsa: firefox 3.x? |
| 02:37.41 | craigevil | check your extensions or try running firefox in safemode, start it from terminal firefox --safemode if it doesnt run slow then its an extension causing the problem |
| 02:37.55 | memnon | gsamsa: Sorry, I've no idea what might be the reason... |
| 02:38.14 | jrf | iceweasel or firefox? |
| 02:39.19 | gsamsa | iceweasel |
| 02:39.29 | stoned | oh noes! |
| 02:39.31 | stoned | assweasel! |
| 02:39.38 | stoned | I use firefox in /opt |
| 02:39.46 | stoned | iceweasel in sid is always always crashing |
| 02:39.48 | craigevil | iceweasel runs fine |
| 02:39.50 | stoned | ever since I started using the 3.x |
| 02:39.52 | jrf | :) |
| 02:40.00 | craigevil | ive ran sid for 5 yrs, iceweasel rarely crashes |
| 02:40.20 | stoned | craigevil, you maybe need to go check the bug list on ff3 package page |
| 02:40.22 | memnon | i use iceweasel, but I start it with firefox. |
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| 02:40.24 | craigevil | if it does its either a crappy flash site or a bad extension/theme |
| 02:40.25 | stoned | and the past bugs as well |
| 02:40.44 | craigevil | ive seen all the bugs, firefox has them as well |
| 02:40.44 | stoned | I've been on sid for 8 years |
| 02:40.57 | stoned | craigevil, apparantly firefox is LOT more stable here on my sid box |
| 02:41.04 | stoned | iceweasel randoly disappears |
| 02:41.08 | stoned | randomly* |
| 02:41.12 | stoned | crashes, etc. etc. |
| 02:41.31 | craigevil | crappy extensions |
| 02:41.42 | craigevil | it is up 24/7 on this crappy dell |
| 02:41.51 | stoned | luck bastard! |
| 02:41.53 | craigevil | ive had it run for a month without crashing |
| 02:41.56 | stoned | takes craigevil |
| 02:41.59 | stoned | er.. |
| 02:42.04 | stoned | firefox away |
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| 02:42.11 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:42.40 | craigevil | seriously, i know it has bugs but most of the time it either a bad extension/theme or a badly written flash site that causes the crash |
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| 02:43.01 | stoned | eitherway, in my personal experience, firefox is more stable than iceweasel |
| 02:43.08 | stoned | I have both and I use both though |
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| 02:43.32 | Zharf | stoned, is it? never noticed any difference really |
| 02:43.37 | stoned | i prefer firefox mostly also becuase some icewesael things are hardcoded and some extentions don't work well unless I rebuild iceweasel with the fierfox strings instead |
| 02:43.47 | stoned | maybe I'm the unlucky one |
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| 02:43.50 | craigevil | i had both for almost 2 yrs and my wife runs flock never noticed much difference |
| 02:43.59 | [aaron] | I need help with NFS. anyone got the smarts? |
| 02:44.09 | stoned | no one has the smarts |
| 02:44.12 | stoned | ask your fucking question. |
| 02:44.18 | stoned | jeez. |
| 02:44.20 | [aaron] | heh. |
| 02:44.29 | jrf | oh you wanna hear something really odd? I run vmware-server with 3 guests; but I cannot do: xhost +; su - <login as root>; vmware <starts firefox at vmware web console> ; then power on a guest. I have to ssh -X to the system as a privileged user |
| 02:45.05 | [aaron] | trying to set up debian as a host for an NFS export for vmware esx to connect to. when esx tries to connect it says the nfs server does not support mount version 3 over tcp |
| 02:45.14 | jrf | something about how firefox interprets who is on first |
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| 02:46.55 | stoned | la de da |
| 02:47.09 | stoned | oingo boingo |
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| 02:47.28 | stoned | lalalalala |
| 02:48.05 | vladi | hi, whats a good way to start Xorg/fluxbox from init directly without login managers? |
| 02:48.33 | stoned | vladi, why |
| 02:48.38 | stoned | just use xdm |
| 02:48.45 | stoned | its tiny and small |
| 02:48.51 | vladi | stoned: i dont want to its an htpc i dont want to log in every time |
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| 02:49.30 | stoned | !rcconf |
| 02:49.30 | dpkg | i guess rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
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| 02:49.38 | Zharf | vladi, put fluxbox in .xinitrc and "if [[ -z "$DISPLAY" ]] && [[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ]]; then startx; logout; fi" in .bash_profile |
| 02:49.43 | Zharf | that's what I do |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | [aaron]: are both running debian ? |
| 02:49.52 | Zharf | it starts X if I login from tty1 |
| 02:50.14 | [aaron] | abrotman, debian has the NFS export. vmware esx server trying to connect to it |
| 02:50.27 | stoned | debian is inside a vmware? |
| 02:50.32 | vladi | Zharf: how to i prevent the whole login process tho |
| 02:50.33 | [aaron] | no. |
| 02:50.35 | stoned | oh |
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| 02:50.46 | jrf | ah |
| 02:50.51 | [aaron] | the actual ESX platform can connect to an NFS export as a datastore. |
| 02:50.56 | Zharf | vladi, not sure about that, never really thought about it... never wanted to do that :) |
| 02:51.01 | stoned | ahh |
| 02:51.01 | Zharf | vladi, never close the box |
| 02:51.08 | jrf | heh |
| 02:51.10 | vladi | Zharf: cool thx anyway : |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | [aaron]: do you have another machine to try to connect to the export with ? |
| 02:51.25 | [aaron] | trying that. |
| 02:51.28 | [aaron] | as we speak |
| 02:51.31 | abrotman | [aaron]: or have you asked #vmware ? |
| 02:51.36 | [aaron] | it's on another subnet, so a little trickery is needed. |
| 02:51.37 | craigevil | vladi: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager and choose startfluxbox |
| 02:52.02 | [aaron] | not yet. |
| 02:52.03 | craigevil | although startx should start fluxbox |
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| 02:52.49 | Zharf | craigevil, I'd say that the problem is the "I don't want to type my username and password!1" |
| 02:53.15 | stoned | autologin! |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | [aaron]: i also seem to recall that there is more than one nfs server in etch |
| 02:53.28 | craigevil | hell i dont either i set kdm to autologin |
| 02:53.30 | stoned | xdm has it i think doesn't it, i know kdm does and probably gdm too |
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| 02:53.38 | stoned | craigevil, hehe |
| 02:53.41 | stoned | kde user eh |
| 02:53.46 | stoned | likes craigevil already |
| 02:53.48 | Zharf | autologin is evil |
| 02:53.52 | [aaron] | abrotman, i think you may be right about that |
| 02:53.52 | craigevil | on my desktop my eee is lxde |
| 02:54.04 | stoned | what does eee pc stand for |
| 02:54.21 | stoned | eee |
| 02:54.28 | gsamsa | how do i see the .xinitrc that startx uses by default? there any in my home |
| 02:54.31 | abrotman | [aaron]: there is an nfs-user-server and nfs-kernel-server |
| 02:54.46 | craigevil | hell if i know, asus has some stupid saying like easy,excellence retarded |
| 02:54.56 | stoned | lol |
| 02:55.06 | stoned | userspcae nfs will be very slow |
| 02:55.08 | Zharf | stoned, "easy to learn, easy to work, easy to play" it's retarded |
| 02:55.21 | Zharf | I have eee pc 1000 though, and I love it |
| 02:55.31 | stoned | i have one too |
| 02:55.36 | stoned | it sucks |
| 02:55.40 | Zharf | hahah |
| 02:55.44 | stoned | I like a full flegded laptop |
| 02:55.45 | Zharf | give me |
| 02:55.49 | craigevil | *sniff* only has the tiny 701 |
| 02:56.00 | Zharf | this to me is a full fledged laptop |
| 02:56.16 | Zharf | there's nothing missing that I would want from a laptop |
| 02:56.28 | stoned | for one, I can't play oblivion on it |
| 02:56.30 | stoned | so... |
| 02:56.33 | Zharf | ... |
| 02:56.43 | stoned | its not fully fledging |
| 02:56.49 | Zharf | facepalms |
| 02:56.50 | trifler | And it has a camera. |
| 02:56.59 | Zharf | trifler, yeah that's useless |
| 02:56.59 | stoned | lol |
| 02:57.06 | trifler | not even my laptop got that. |
| 02:57.07 | stoned | look at trifler with his little tiny little fact info |
| 02:57.07 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:57.09 | stoned | cute |
| 02:57.13 | stoned | came outta no where |
| 02:57.17 | stoned | hey! it has a camera too! |
| 02:57.18 | Zharf | stoned, my desktop can't run oblivion |
| 02:57.22 | trifler | stoned: Hey i just got here. |
| 02:57.25 | stoned | :) |
| 02:57.36 | Zharf | this eee pc is faster than my desktop.. |
| 02:57.51 | stoned | I have a 3.5ghz core 2 4gb ram |
| 02:58.12 | craigevil | Zharf: same here |
| 02:58.26 | Zharf | I have 1.1GHz some athlon and 512M ram |
| 02:58.29 | trifler | same here. :) |
| 02:58.33 | trifler | although i have an x60 |
| 02:58.38 | stoned | I'm going to upgrade to a multisocket with abotu 4 quad cores and 16gb ram, and throw away the rest of the machines |
| 02:58.44 | stoned | electricity costs too damn much man |
| 02:58.47 | stoned | I got 6 machiens |
| 02:58.51 | Zharf | give me the rest of the machines |
| 02:59.00 | Zharf | I have a lot of machines too :) |
| 02:59.01 | stoned | just use virtual machiens |
| 02:59.02 | mordy | how are you going to power that?? |
| 02:59.03 | mordy | lol |
| 02:59.07 | Zharf | but my electricity bill is static |
| 02:59.10 | pickcoder | stoned: who makes a 4-socket that supports quad-core |
| 02:59.16 | stoned | pickcoder, I have no idea |
| 02:59.23 | stoned | pickcoder, I was hoping on finding one |
| 02:59.30 | stoned | s/on/to |
| 02:59.31 | trifler | tyan? |
| 02:59.32 | pickcoder | Supermicro may have on |
| 02:59.38 | pickcoder | I dunno if Tyan does or not |
| 02:59.40 | pickcoder | looks |
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| 02:59.51 | trifler | Just a guess on my side. |
| 03:00.16 | mordy | using the same computer for everything gets monotonous -- |
| 03:00.26 | stoned | dude when have to develop |
| 03:00.36 | stoned | trust me multiplatform shit can get hectic with many machines |
| 03:00.46 | pickcoder | for servers more is better, but you can run green 1U machines now |
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| 03:01.16 | stoned | you know |
| 03:01.18 | stoned | I'm wondering pickcoder |
| 03:01.23 | stoned | you know how they say less is more? |
| 03:01.32 | stoned | I'm wondering, if less is more, then imagine how much more more would be? |
| 03:01.33 | stoned | right? |
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| 03:01.35 | stoned | I mean |
| 03:01.48 | stoned | you know? |
| 03:01.59 | Zharf | I'm probably not getting a new box until my current one explodes |
| 03:02.07 | abrotman | thinks this must be stoned's philosophy on the enter key :) |
| 03:02.15 | stoned | heh |
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| 03:02.55 | lummox | Zharf, you could save money by buying a new one, maybe, because ratio of computing power and electric power consumption could fall, thus you save electricity and after some time you have won |
| 03:03.02 | [aaron] | is this a proper export line for NFS? "/home/gwik/nfs02 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(rw)" |
| 03:03.11 | stoned | next box I build will be i7 |
| 03:03.22 | Zharf | lummox, I still have static electricity bill, 10e/month |
| 03:03.24 | Zharf | no more, no less |
| 03:03.25 | stoned | pci-e 2 and ddr3 |
| 03:03.38 | lummox | Zharf, 10e/month? wow.. where do you get this |
| 03:03.45 | Zharf | student flat.. |
| 03:03.48 | lummox | sell it to others ;> |
| 03:04.05 | stoned | [aaron], yes |
| 03:04.14 | trifler | charge batteries for profit! |
| 03:04.19 | Zharf | :) |
| 03:04.25 | stoned | [aaron], you don't need to specify the subnet |
| 03:04.28 | stoned | mask |
| 03:04.32 | [aaron] | ok |
| 03:04.37 | [aaron] | can i leave it there though? |
| 03:04.41 | stoned | its ifne |
| 03:04.42 | stoned | fine |
| 03:04.44 | [aaron] | cool. |
| 03:04.51 | [aaron] | i'm having trouble mounting that on another debian box. |
| 03:05.05 | [aaron] | mount 192.168.2.100:/home/gwik/nfs02 ~/nfs02 |
| 03:05.05 | [aaron] | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.06 | Zharf | performance wise, I don't really need a new box, so I'm not wasting my non-existing money to buy a new one |
| 03:05.09 | Zharf | :) |
| 03:05.23 | stoned | I have rich parents |
| 03:05.24 | stoned | :) |
| 03:05.31 | stoned | I spend thier money |
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| 03:06.06 | slidesinger | stoned: I AM half of the rich parents |
| 03:06.17 | mordy | lol |
| 03:06.22 | pickcoder | the only quad-socket's I've seen @ supermicro are all proprietary chassis |
| 03:06.27 | pickcoder | http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon7000/7300/X7QCE.cfm |
| 03:06.29 | stoned | heh |
| 03:06.32 | pickcoder | MP Xeon series |
| 03:06.35 | stoned | argh |
| 03:06.35 | slidesinger | stoned: I have kids like you. |
| 03:06.39 | stoned | i'll go with dual |
| 03:06.44 | stoned | slidesinger, like me? |
| 03:06.47 | stoned | not, not like me. |
| 03:06.52 | stoned | I guarantee it |
| 03:07.05 | slidesinger | stoned: Kids who spend my money. |
| 03:07.09 | mordy | imagine the noise those fans would make |
| 03:07.21 | mordy | well, the newer intels are relatively quiet |
| 03:07.23 | stoned | slidesinger, are you a multi millionair? |
| 03:07.41 | lummox | depends on the currency |
| 03:07.42 | pickcoder | http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/748/SC748TQ-R1200.cfm |
| 03:07.46 | mordy | ROTFL |
| 03:07.53 | pickcoder | mmm.. nice case |
| 03:07.53 | stoned | pickcoder, looking |
| 03:08.07 | stoned | pickcoder, you know what |
| 03:08.18 | stoned | pickcoder, fuck it, I'll go cheap, I'll build a 4mobo stack |
| 03:08.25 | slidesinger | stoned: Not quite. But I do own two of my own companies, both of which turned a significant profit last year. |
| 03:08.35 | mordy | 6 fans.. suit yourself |
| 03:08.36 | stoned | sual sockets each, put in 2 quads each, cluster with mosix |
| 03:08.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: i bet that thing sucks about as much power as 10 normal desktops |
| 03:08.38 | stoned | perhaps |
| 03:08.49 | pickcoder | abrotman: yeah but it has a lot of hot-swap bays |
| 03:08.50 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:08.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:08.56 | stoned | sexy |
| 03:09.00 | abrotman | 1200W PSU ... cute |
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| 03:09.06 | stoned | goddamn |
| 03:09.10 | pickcoder | actually.. I have a smaller case with 2 4-sata cages |
| 03:09.10 | stoned | I was gonna get away with a 750 |
| 03:09.15 | abrotman | and there are two of them |
| 03:09.21 | stoned | well yeh, redundant |
| 03:09.24 | slidesinger | stoned: And I have three 4 way quad cores online right now. |
| 03:09.32 | stoned | redundant psu and redundant ups |
| 03:09.40 | pickcoder | It has two 600W redundants in a single PSU slot |
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| 03:09.50 | stoned | oh damn |
| 03:10.00 | stoned | so it is two |
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| 03:10.46 | pickcoder | oh yeah.. it's an Athena Power server case |
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| 03:10.49 | slidesinger | Well, it's off to bed for me. Later. |
| 03:10.56 | aiuw | How does one re-install a package and all of the config files with that package |
| 03:10.58 | stoned | bye rich parent! |
| 03:10.59 | stoned | :) |
| 03:11.07 | stoned | aiuw, --reinstall |
| 03:11.11 | stoned | !tell aiuw -about confmiss |
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| 03:12.07 | cobra-the-joker | hey there every one ...i am using fedora 10 here ....and every one told me that debian is more stable :D...so is debian is a good place for programmers ?? |
| 03:12.21 | stoned | cobra-the-joker, excellent place for prorgramers |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: what are you coding for? |
| 03:12.35 | lostson | cobra-the-joker: sure and join the rest of us who just left Fedora lol |
| 03:12.37 | superjet_busy | cobra-the-joker: depends on you |
| 03:12.37 | craigevil | debian is stable thats the whole point behind it |
| 03:12.46 | lostson | must be the theme for the evening heh |
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| 03:13.39 | aiuw | stoned, apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 didn't overwrite my apache config files... |
| 03:13.44 | pickcoder | cobra-the-joker: I think so.. but then again my Fedora experience was horrid |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | apache2.2-common |
| 03:13.48 | aiuw | Ah |
| 03:13.50 | memnon | Hey. We still got this emacs font problem. Which Font should he install? .Xresources did not help really. :( |
| 03:14.01 | pickcoder | I'm not even attempting a 10 upgrade |
| 03:14.03 | cobra-the-joker | yeah .....fedora have many bugs |
| 03:14.43 | cobra-the-joker | so ...can i install debian on a 512 MB ram :( ? |
| 03:14.46 | stoned | hey |
| 03:15.04 | stoned | http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/debian.rosey.png |
| 03:15.07 | stoned | I made it |
| 03:15.10 | memnon | cobra-the-joker: I think 512 is plenty of ram :) |
| 03:15.15 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 03:15.16 | craigevil | cobra-the-joker: thats all this crappy dell has and it runs just fine |
| 03:15.32 | trifler | Sure you can. I run debian on 128mb then again I only used it for irssi :D |
| 03:15.34 | pickcoder | for dev.. yeah |
| 03:15.38 | stoned | http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/debian.sunkiss.jpg |
| 03:15.43 | stoned | that too |
| 03:15.51 | stoned | trifler, so did I for 3 years |
| 03:15.52 | cobra-the-joker | i loooooove debian |
| 03:15.53 | pickcoder | though the faster the CPU and disk subsystem the quicker your builds will go |
| 03:15.59 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 03:16.01 | stoned | trifler, 866Mhz P3, 128mb ram |
| 03:16.17 | pickcoder | just don't put a desktop on it |
| 03:16.17 | stoned | trifler, I ran a full KDE and azureus, firefox, java stuff, limewire |
| 03:16.19 | stoned | heh |
| 03:16.20 | pickcoder | :P |
| 03:16.22 | mordy | stoned: that logo is nice for a bathroom-laptop |
| 03:16.25 | trifler | stoned: i had a p3 500 :) |
| 03:16.28 | cobra-the-joker | stoned ...really ...it runs on that desktop ??:o |
| 03:16.29 | pickcoder | stoned: on 128MB? |
| 03:16.30 | mordy | fits in well with all the other periphery |
| 03:16.35 | stoned | pickcoder, indeed |
| 03:16.38 | trifler | i now have a celeron 1.7 for irssi :D |
| 03:16.39 | pickcoder | with swap |
| 03:16.46 | stoned | this was back in the days of sarge/testing |
| 03:16.50 | pickcoder | oh |
| 03:16.53 | aiuw | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2-utils apache2.2-common apache2 to no avail |
| 03:16.58 | stoned | I had to usually wait about 30-45 seconds for a click to take effect |
| 03:17.01 | lostson | just use xmonad that will run fine on there |
| 03:17.01 | stoned | or a window to update |
| 03:17.03 | stoned | lol |
| 03:17.03 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:17.48 | cobra-the-joker | is downloading debian and will remove fedora 4 ever |
| 03:18.04 | stoned | cobra-the-joker, /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:18.07 | pickcoder | ah.. I found it : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811192054 |
| 03:18.23 | cobra-the-joker | stoned ...i beg your pardon ? |
| 03:18.25 | pickcoder | if you're looking for 8-sata hot-swap that's a nice case for the $ |
| 03:18.39 | pickcoder | dpkg is a bot |
| 03:18.40 | dpkg | pickcoder: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:18.50 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 03:18.50 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 03:19.14 | cobra-the-joker | and another question pls ....does debian support USB DSL Modems ? |
| 03:19.16 | stoned | cobra-the-joker, channel bot |
| 03:19.34 | stoned | cobra-the-joker, pppoe ? |
| 03:19.45 | mordy | how would i go about making an all-dhcp brige? |
| 03:19.47 | mordy | bridge* |
| 03:19.51 | stoned | dsl modem has no ethernet out put? |
| 03:19.56 | stoned | mordy, ##networking |
| 03:19.59 | cobra-the-joker | yeah |
| 03:20.01 | cobra-the-joker | pppoe |
| 03:20.05 | stoned | cobra-the-joker, yes |
| 03:20.09 | trifler | mordy: look at tldp |
| 03:20.23 | cobra-the-joker | thats veery conforting :D |
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| 03:20.52 | mordy | i googled it - almost every configuration i saw required some static ip, i did see some hints to creating another virtual interface, but didn't explain much |
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| 03:21.24 | pickcoder | all-dhcp bridge? |
| 03:21.27 | pickcoder | that's a new one for me |
| 03:22.12 | aidan | ls |
| 03:22.17 | stoned | wrong terminal |
| 03:22.21 | mordy | pickoder, basically it's for a computer that has two interfaces, it has another computer near it, and the switch i'm using doesn't have extra room |
| 03:23.35 | mordy | and i *don't* want to make the computer with the bridge a dhcp server as well |
| 03:24.11 | [aaron] | anyone know how to fix this: Dec 20 22:12:10 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). |
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| 03:24.48 | abrotman | is portmap running? is there a firewall running ? |
| 03:26.25 | [aaron] | no firewall |
| 03:26.29 | [aaron] | how do i check portmap? |
| 03:26.38 | stoned | install portmap |
| 03:26.38 | [aaron] | my dog is running. does that count? |
| 03:26.48 | stoned | turn your dog off |
| 03:26.53 | stoned | thats a firewall |
| 03:27.00 | mordy | don't turn your dog on |
| 03:27.00 | [aaron] | portmap is already the latest version |
| 03:27.03 | mordy | that's for certain |
| 03:27.03 | [aaron] | minpins dont turn off. |
| 03:27.05 | [aaron] | hahahaha. |
| 03:27.06 | stoned | lol |
| 03:27.14 | newsense | beagel haha |
| 03:27.27 | stoned | [aaron], /etc/init.d/portmap start |
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| 03:27.56 | aidan | How do I read in named arguments in a bash script? http://bin.cakephp.org/view/789223868 |
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| 03:28.07 | [aaron] | portmap already running |
| 03:28.26 | stoned | google error, find out what code -5 is |
| 03:28.33 | [aaron] | how many people would i piss off if i said "fuck it, i'm going to install ubuntu" |
| 03:28.44 | mordy | lol |
| 03:28.46 | stoned | [aaron], it doesn't matter to us |
| 03:29.00 | stoned | [aaron], if you wish to settle for lower quality then by all means have at it |
| 03:29.01 | [aaron] | i figured it'd start a flame job |
| 03:29.07 | [aaron] | haha. |
| 03:29.14 | [aaron] | cold snap. |
| 03:29.37 | stoned | just consider the amount of distros based off of debian |
| 03:29.48 | stoned | why use a derivative when you can use the source |
| 03:29.57 | stoned | Debian FTW! motha fuckas! |
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| 03:30.35 | [aaron] | i felt the same way. i feel like ubuntu gets more attention though. |
| 03:30.50 | Gnurdux | is Ubuntu still based on Debian? |
| 03:30.54 | Gnurdux | i know it still uses debs |
| 03:30.54 | [aaron] | yes |
| 03:30.59 | Gnurdux | but does it still sync with sid? |
| 03:31.09 | [aaron] | oh. no clue |
| 03:31.10 | craigevil | no ubuntu has its own repos |
| 03:31.21 | Gnurdux | it always has; thats NOT what im asking |
| 03:31.32 | craigevil | its six months behind sid |
| 03:31.40 | Gnurdux | thats Ubuntu STABLE |
| 03:31.44 | Gnurdux | theres an ubuntu unstable |
| 03:31.49 | [aaron] | or what they call LTS i think |
| 03:31.49 | craigevil | or is normally, but now with lenny frozen |
| 03:31.52 | Gnurdux | which at least used to sync with sid |
| 03:31.56 | aidan | [aaron]: I use ubuntu for home, debian for server ... |
| 03:32.02 | Gnurdux | lenny != sid |
| 03:32.03 | stoned | just becuase it is labeled stabled doesn't make it stable |
| 03:32.08 | Gnurdux | and LTS != normal ubuntu stable |
| 03:32.14 | Gnurdux | its not stable like debian stable clearly |
| 03:32.23 | stoned | debian == quality |
| 03:32.33 | cobra-the-joker | does debian needs the 3 DVD's to get installed ???? |
| 03:32.33 | stoned | ubuntu == brand spanking new shine |
| 03:32.39 | stoned | cobra-the-joker, cd1 |
| 03:32.42 | [aaron] | cobra-the-joker, no shit! |
| 03:32.47 | stoned | !d-i cobra-the-joker |
| 03:32.47 | dpkg | cobra-the-joker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:32.51 | mordy | ==; ==; |
| 03:32.58 | stoned | [aaron], please be civil |
| 03:33.05 | abrotman | are you serious? |
| 03:33.07 | [aaron] | uhhh |
| 03:33.13 | [aaron] | i am very civil |
| 03:33.29 | craigevil | cobra-the-joker: no just the first cd or use the netinstall |
| 03:33.45 | [aaron] | can netinstall somehow find the fastest mirror for me? |
| 03:33.56 | stoned | [aaron], no |
| 03:33.56 | [aaron] | i feel like the mirror i get is always running at like 15k |
| 03:34.00 | [aaron] | ;/ |
| 03:34.01 | abrotman | !tell [aaron] about apt-spy |
| 03:34.03 | stoned | [aaron], you can change it |
| 03:34.09 | cobra-the-joker | craigevil ,one CD .... and the system will be complete nothing missing ?? |
| 03:34.14 | stoned | abrotman, you can configure apt-spy within the d-i? |
| 03:34.20 | abrotman | no |
| 03:34.22 | mordy | depends what you call complete |
| 03:34.30 | stoned | then that doesn't help during netinstall :) |
| 03:34.38 | mordy | but you should get pretty much everything you need from the first cd |
| 03:34.39 | craigevil | depends on what you call complete, debian has 18k packages |
| 03:34.43 | mordy | i.e. regular install cd |
| 03:34.45 | stoned | and he doesn't currently have debian to use apt-spy with |
| 03:34.49 | abrotman | stoned: he already has the system installed |
| 03:34.53 | stoned | oh he does |
| 03:35.04 | [aaron] | i gave in and switched almost everything to ubuntu server vs. debian |
| 03:35.05 | stoned | I thought he was on fedora trying to get debian |
| 03:35.09 | [aaron] | except these last two boxes. |
| 03:35.13 | stoned | nm wrong guy |
| 03:35.37 | [aaron] | can i upgrade from stable to testing with the cli/ |
| 03:35.41 | stoned | yes |
| 03:35.51 | [aaron] | odds of it going 100 percent smooth? |
| 03:35.52 | stoned | !tell [aaron] -about etch->lenny |
| 03:36.00 | stoned | if it isn't, its a serious bug |
| 03:36.02 | [aaron] | that dpkg guy is great. |
| 03:36.03 | stoned | very seirous |
| 03:36.05 | abrotman | [aaron]: at this point, it should go pretty darn well |
| 03:36.18 | stoned | !hug [aaron] |
| 03:36.18 | dpkg | gives [aaron] a hug |
| 03:36.32 | cobra-the-joker | debian-40r5-i386-CD-1.iso ?? |
| 03:36.32 | [aaron] | haha. |
| 03:36.34 | [aaron] | what a swell guy |
| 03:36.38 | stoned | cobra-the-joker, yes |
| 03:36.43 | [aaron] | stoned, i have a box i'm going to try it on. |
| 03:36.49 | stoned | go for it buddy |
| 03:37.06 | [aaron] | crap. i'm on etch |
| 03:37.14 | [aaron] | wait. nm |
| 03:37.15 | [aaron] | tee hee |
| 03:37.28 | stoned | and I thought _I_ was stoned... |
| 03:37.33 | stoned | k |
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| 03:38.59 | [aaron] | T1's are so DANG SLOW |
| 03:39.26 | [aaron] | stoned, i'll make you a deal. if this upgrade goes perfect i'll keep it. if it bombs, ubuntu is going on it. |
| 03:39.38 | [aaron] | and that sucks because i'll have to go to a datacenter to do it |
| 03:39.49 | stoned | I do'nt particularly care |
| 03:39.56 | stoned | I'm here to support debian users. |
| 03:40.19 | pickcoder | [aaron]: I remember when we used to say that about 9600 baud modems after installing 33.4K |
| 03:40.22 | [aaron] | I'll lie to you and tell you it's debian. |
| 03:40.27 | [aaron] | pickcoder, true. |
| 03:40.33 | [aaron] | but T1 < 20mbit |
| 03:40.38 | pickcoder | well yeah |
| 03:40.42 | [aaron] | :) |
| 03:40.47 | Malf | [aaron]: Not sure about you but I've heard or more people have worse luck upgrading ubuntu releases than debian ones |
| 03:40.51 | pickcoder | I wish I could get 20MB but no one offers that kinda bandwidth where our office is |
| 03:41.03 | [aaron] | Malf, so have i. |
| 03:41.11 | [aaron] | i never dist-upgrade ubuntu |
| 03:41.24 | pickcoder | we're still waiting for the promise of 11MB wireless from our ISP but they still don't even have a fiber hook-up yet |
| 03:41.34 | stoned | where? |
| 03:41.37 | stoned | pick |
| 03:41.55 | pickcoder | ? |
| 03:41.57 | [aaron] | we have wifi everywhere in louisville. a local isp has some APs on tall buildings. |
| 03:42.13 | stoned | where r u i da wuld |
| 03:42.22 | pickcoder | wilmington nc |
| 03:42.23 | stoned | vich isp? |
| 03:42.25 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:42.28 | pickcoder | internet technologies |
| 03:42.43 | pickcoder | they have a huge wifi corridor down 421 and down to Myrtle Beach |
| 03:43.03 | pickcoder | remembers when they got their first 1MB Jaguar radio |
| 03:43.13 | stoned | hah |
| 03:43.20 | stoned | all these years I thought you were europeon |
| 03:43.21 | stoned | :) |
| 03:43.24 | stoned | lol |
| 03:44.00 | pickcoder | I'm a geek.. no nationality |
| 03:44.11 | lostson | myrtle beach used to go there for bike week when i lived in Travelers Rest SC |
| 03:44.16 | stoned | well |
| 03:44.19 | stoned | I'm pakistani |
| 03:44.27 | stoned | and I wish to one day represent my country in the debian project |
| 03:44.41 | stoned | get a debian developer card with my name and flag of pakistna o nit |
| 03:44.43 | stoned | oh man |
| 03:44.45 | pickcoder | there's two bike weeks now |
| 03:44.46 | stoned | that will be aewsome |
| 03:44.56 | pickcoder | hog week and crotch rocket week |
| 03:45.02 | abrotman | OT ? |
| 03:45.23 | [aaron] | http://www.kotulas.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?url=ProductDisplay%3FcatalogId%3D10051%26storeId%3D10001%26productId%3D14038%26langId%3D-1%26parent_category_rn%3D12052%26top_category%3D10081&cm_ite=muzee&catalogId=10051&productId=14038&langId=-1&top_category=10081&cm_pla=NONBRAND&parent_category_rn=12052&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_ven=PPC&storeId=10001&affiliateId=rkg&ddkey=http:MarketingAttribution |
| 03:45.27 | [aaron] | anyone know how that works? |
| 03:45.45 | pickcoder | that's one ugly URL |
| 03:45.51 | stoned | dude c'mon |
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| 03:45.55 | stoned | !tinyurl |
| 03:45.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, tinyurl is instead of pasting those long urls that take several cut 'n pastes to get into the url bar of a browser, please visit http://tinyurl.com and paste your url there.. turn this: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+gnu%2Flinux&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial into this: http://tinyurl.com/pdxzw |
| 03:45.58 | stoned | seriously. |
| 03:46.28 | [aaron] | my bad. |
| 03:46.38 | stoned | causing me to have eye cancer man |
| 03:46.40 | stoned | c'mon :) |
| 03:46.49 | mordy | lol |
| 03:46.53 | [aaron] | i usually dont because people think it's a virus i'm sending them |
| 03:46.54 | [aaron] | http://tinyurl.com/9dzaqk |
| 03:47.02 | [aaron] | anyone know how that thing works? :) |
| 03:47.09 | abrotman | how WHAT works? the URL ? |
| 03:47.11 | stoned | thats not debian related? |
| 03:47.24 | stoned | we do not know. |
| 03:47.33 | stoned | go to #debian-offtopic or #debian-chat |
| 03:47.34 | h3king | llllooollll |
| 03:47.44 | [aaron] | but i'm waiting for debian to upgrade and i'm bored. so... |
| 03:47.50 | mordy | lol |
| 03:47.55 | abrotman | !lol |
| 03:47.56 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:48.04 | [aaron] | lolz |
| 03:48.08 | [aaron] | hahahaha! |
| 03:48.14 | stoned | oh oh the best one, 'lulz' |
| 03:48.14 | stoned | heh |
| 03:48.19 | CompWizrd | sends the roflcopter on a mission |
| 03:48.20 | [aaron] | actually lulzed |
| 03:48.28 | [aaron] | fires up the copter |
| 03:48.38 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:48.39 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:49.00 | [aaron] | make it say what the topic is |
| 03:49.11 | beardy | !topicsmite [aaron] |
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| 03:49.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon [aaron]. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:49.13 | stoned | [aaron], /topic. Now please. |
| 03:49.18 | stoned | hey beardy |
| 03:49.26 | [aaron] | been a long time since i irc'd |
| 03:49.29 | beardy | Hello stoned |
| 03:49.44 | [aaron] | Does anyone know if this will work under the debian operation system? http://tinyurl.com/9dzaqk |
| 03:49.47 | [aaron] | HA |
| 03:49.58 | stoned | thats a better question |
| 03:50.02 | stoned | let me see |
| 03:50.11 | [aaron] | is cracking up |
| 03:50.19 | stoned | it might |
| 03:50.21 | [aaron] | it's magic looking. |
| 03:50.35 | [aaron] | although i think it's just a fake usb looking thing with some software that takes you to shoutcast. |
| 03:50.41 | [aaron] | it's not an antenna or anything. |
| 03:50.55 | stoned | I thought it was a usb based radio card |
| 03:51.01 | stoned | hm |
| 03:51.05 | abrotman | it seems like a dongle |
| 03:51.07 | [aaron] | me too. i saw it today while i was shopping. |
| 03:51.09 | mordy | aaron, it's what it is |
| 03:51.15 | ameyer | guesses not |
| 03:51.15 | mordy | i mean you're right |
| 03:51.15 | [aaron] | yeah. dongle. |
| 03:51.21 | [aaron] | mordy, just takes you to shoutcast streams? |
| 03:51.22 | ameyer | although maybe with wine |
| 03:51.26 | mordy | pretty much |
| 03:51.33 | stoned | so |
| 03:51.37 | CompWizrd | and probably stores your settings on it |
| 03:51.37 | stoned | you can't go to shoutcast yourself? |
| 03:51.39 | stoned | :) |
| 03:51.41 | stoned | lol |
| 03:51.47 | mordy | it's for people who are too stupiid to do that |
| 03:51.53 | [aaron] | i can, but you made me keep it on topic. i don't really want one. i was just curious about it. |
| 03:52.05 | stoned | hahaha |
| 03:52.07 | [aaron] | i should sell a package that says "www.shoutcast.com" for 29.99 |
| 03:52.08 | stoned | priceless |
| 03:52.19 | stoned | keep it ontopic lol |
| 03:52.24 | stoned | I like this kid lol |
| 03:52.26 | [aaron] | bed bath and beyond can put it right next to the muzee and debian workstations |
| 03:52.38 | stoned | you ever been to the beyond department? |
| 03:52.46 | [aaron] | haha, what movie is that from? |
| 03:52.49 | stoned | I coudln't find one I was looking for thigns from the beyond |
| 03:52.53 | stoned | [aaron], family guy |
| 03:52.57 | abrotman | stoned: /topic |
| 03:53.01 | stoned | word. |
| 03:53.13 | stoned | My bad. |
| 03:53.15 | [aaron] | abrotman, he was looking for debian install cds. he's on topic. |
| 03:53.21 | mordy | yeah, maybe someone can give me an idea as to how i can set up an all-dhcp bridge |
| 03:53.30 | stoned | mordy, I don't even know what that is |
| 03:53.31 | [aaron] | mordy, lets hear what you've got. |
| 03:53.34 | stoned | mordy, consult with ##networking too |
| 03:53.36 | [aaron] | i do kind of. |
| 03:53.41 | [aaron] | is in networking |
| 03:53.52 | mordy | let me see there as well |
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| 03:56.52 | [aaron] | love how it went totally quiet in here |
| 03:56.58 | mordy | lol |
| 03:57.59 | [aaron] | is taking a break. an hour 40 for deb upgrade |
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| 04:05.55 | Gun_Smoke | fail2ban defaults to 600 seconds.. why not just a permanent ban and deal with the false positives by hand? |
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| 04:07.23 | abrotman | what if you screwed up logging in yourself and then you couldn't get in to undo the ban manually ? |
| 04:08.51 | Gun_Smoke | If its physically accessible then that would matter. So valid point... But putting problems in time out instead of jail seems a bit off. |
| 04:09.57 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: those machines basically try a few times in 30 seconds .. and then not again for a day or more .. |
| 04:10.05 | abrotman | you'd be keeping all that stuff in memory to retain those bans |
| 04:10.18 | Gun_Smoke | That's also what I was thinking.. |
| 04:10.43 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: how many unique IPs have you noted trying to gain access to your system ? |
| 04:10.57 | Gun_Smoke | I've just set up my first server and fail2bans cherry was just popped.. |
| 04:11.08 | Gun_Smoke | 1 |
| 04:11.44 | Gun_Smoke | in less than 20 hours, but I expect it to grow with the time the machine is online |
| 04:11.53 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: do it yourself in iptables |
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| 04:12.47 | enouf | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
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| 04:14.18 | stoned | hey ho |
| 04:14.19 | enouf | or try http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 04:14.25 | md22 | hi all |
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| 04:14.32 | abrotman | enouf: that's what the fail2ban roughly does |
| 04:14.40 | enouf | stoned: try -chat |
| 04:14.44 | enouf | abrotman: i know |
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| 04:14.55 | mikegriffin | is metalog not in debian at all? i do not see it in sid but my ubuntu box has it and lists the maintainer t debian.hu |
| 04:15.38 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: FWIW .. you could also "obscure" the ssh access by changing the port .. that does not protect you, but the bots only try 22 |
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| 04:16.18 | mordy | well, the guru in #networking doesn't know about how 'linux does things' :| |
| 04:16.20 | linux2 | anyone here know how to connect to a 64-bit wep encrypted wireless network in linux. I am running debian unstable and I am trying to use knetworkmanager but no matter what encryption option I select it doesn't work. I only have the option of using wep 40/104bit ASCII and HEX with an open system and a shared key, what should I do to get this to work? |
| 04:16.25 | linux2 | kinda stuck on this one |
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| 04:17.38 | binary010 | Hello all |
| 04:17.58 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, good idea.. port range suggestions? over 30000? anything? |
| 04:18.13 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: you could also implement port knocking |
| 04:18.24 | enouf | there's a pkg for it |
| 04:18.32 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: if you're going to change it, choose a non-common port .. |
| 04:18.32 | enouf | pknocker or something |
| 04:18.42 | Gun_Smoke | I'll look for it.. |
| 04:18.46 | binary010 | Anyone know about "How to log all my sudo message to seperate file instead of /var/log/message using syslog" |
| 04:18.54 | mikegriffin | Gun_Smoke: fail2ban is all you need |
| 04:19.06 | Gun_Smoke | mikegriffin, up and running.. |
| 04:19.11 | enouf | binary010: sudo should be going to /auth.log |
| 04:19.34 | enouf | binary010: what version of debian/ |
| 04:19.35 | enouf | ? |
| 04:19.39 | binary010 | enouf: its actually going to /var/log/messages |
| 04:19.48 | Malf | although in principal if bots are coming at you in any number then anything besides a whitelist isn't going to help you much anyway |
| 04:20.00 | enouf | likely syslog.conf |
| 04:20.25 | binary010 | enouf: do you what i have to add / change in syslog.conf to fix it |
| 04:21.05 | enouf | answer my question |
| 04:21.50 | enouf | kindly |
| 04:22.16 | Gun_Smoke | Malf, that is also something that I was thinking of.. for the time being.. I'll be the only one accessing the machine remotely.. So a whitelist and a rule of adding anything else to a permanent blacklist |
| 04:22.28 | binary010 | enouf: it's not debian..it's redhat varient. I figured since my problem is not a distro specific i could ask here also. |
| 04:22.37 | Malf | Gun_Smoke: That's what I do since I never really come in remotely except from my work machine |
| 04:23.13 | Gun_Smoke | binary010, haha.. send me a post card. |
| 04:23.18 | Malf | Gun_Smoke: Though I just put something like * for SSH into hosts.deny and then whitelisted the ip or two i use |
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| 04:23.40 | Malf | Gun_Smoke: Of course then a week later you invariably need access but are only near non-whitelisted computers |
| 04:24.02 | binary010 | Gun_Smoke: i didn't make the choice of distro, so it's out of my hands. |
| 04:24.05 | enouf | binary010: well .. this channel is for debian support - see how it doesn't apply? also - i gave you enough of a hint |
| 04:24.06 | abrotman | Malf: that's what the port knocking would be fore |
| 04:24.29 | binary010 | enouf: i understand. thanks for your help |
| 04:24.40 | enouf | binary010: no worries |
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| 04:26.15 | Malf | abrotman: *nod*. I only just now looked up/learned what port knocking is. Seems like a good thing to toss onto my system at some point. Thanks. |
| 04:28.19 | enouf | knockd - small port-knock daemon |
| 04:28.20 | enouf | knocker - a simple and easy to use TCP security port scanner |
| 04:28.45 | abrotman | though i haven't seen a win32 app .. but i'm sure it exists |
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| 04:29.46 | Gun_Smoke | well this server is a home experiment and learning lab... expensive crossword puzzle really.. lol. |
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| 04:33.32 | fbc | I try to renice -19 apache2 but when I run top it still shows a nice of 0. how do I do it right? |
| 04:34.19 | abrotman | did you renice all of them ? |
| 04:34.31 | abrotman | they also keep dieing and spawning .. |
| 04:34.35 | abrotman | dying |
| 04:34.37 | abrotman | jebus |
| 04:34.59 | abrotman | i wonder if the nice level is inherited |
| 04:37.18 | fbc | no |
| 04:37.25 | fbc | just apache2 |
| 04:37.32 | fbc | renice -19 apache2 |
| 04:38.04 | fbc | I figured that would just do all the apache2 processes |
| 04:38.31 | abrotman | but they die and spawn |
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| 04:41.02 | fbc | abrotman, ok, what do you recommend? |
| 04:41.22 | abrotman | why are you trying to renice it anyways ? |
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| 04:42.37 | fbc | abrotman, because I have moodle running and I want to give apache2 the priority when clamav has to check an uploaded file, or th server has to spam check an email , I want all of that to be secondary |
| 04:43.40 | fbc | could i do a |
| 04:43.46 | abrotman | how are you launching clamav? could you nice that when luanched ? |
| 04:44.21 | fbc | could I do a "nice -19 /etc/init.d/apache2 start"?? |
| 04:44.28 | abrotman | i doubt it |
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| 04:44.34 | fbc | hmmm.. |
| 04:44.36 | abrotman | go ahead and try |
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| 04:44.55 | fbc | nope process not found |
| 04:45.08 | abrotman | so when you launch clamav .. can you renice that ? |
| 04:45.14 | SnoFox | What does it mean when X can't load module "type1"? :\ |
| 04:45.28 | kronic | how can you enable a non-root user to connect to a wifi network with kwifimanager? |
| 04:45.37 | cobra-the-joker | ah i forgot to ask ....is the CD1 installs gnome ...or just the base system ? |
| 04:45.40 | fbc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.45 | SnoFox | It always yells that as an error when I try to use my PCIex video card for S-Video, and my normal PCI card for Twinview. |
| 04:45.48 | kronic | the user is a member of plugdeb and powerdev |
| 04:45.55 | fbc | so apache2 first mysql second and everything else third |
| 04:46.29 | cobra-the-joker | is CD1 installs gnome ...or just the base system ? |
| 04:46.38 | fbc | abrotman, but I guess, I'll have to poke around somemore. |
| 04:46.40 | abrotman | you don't have to install gnome .. you can skip that part |
| 04:47.25 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , i want gnome on my system....can i get it from CD1 or i have to get CD2? |
| 04:47.59 | abrotman | CD1 has major parts of it |
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| 04:55.10 | TwistOfFate | what will lenny's version number be? 5.0? |
| 04:55.29 | dashs | Does proftpd do ANY decent auth processing, or just failes everyone on the merits? |
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| 04:56.42 | TwistOfFate | dashs, try #proftpd |
| 04:56.56 | aiuw | What package has apache2 modules |
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| 04:58.50 | fbc | could someone tell me how I can change the priority for my apache2 processes? |
| 04:59.07 | fbc | aiuw, apache2-common i think |
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| 04:59.30 | enouf | aiuw: apt-cache search libapache2 |
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| 05:00.25 | enouf | or even tack on -mod |
| 05:00.43 | aiuw | enouf, fbc: here's the problem. Look at the output of apache2 -l : http://pastie.org/344180 |
| 05:00.48 | aiuw | I'm missing a good number of modules |
| 05:01.00 | enouf | although, you might miss things like libapache2-request-perl - generic Apache request library - Perl modules |
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| 05:01.20 | enouf | aiuw: man a2enmod? |
| 05:02.08 | enouf | oh, well .. hrm, apache2 is modular, unlike orig apache |
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| 05:02.17 | enouf | httpd.apache.org |
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| 05:04.11 | fbc | aiuw, a2enmod will enable the module if they exist |
| 05:04.44 | aiuw | fbc, right... I need the package to get those modules because they don't exist on my system |
| 05:05.04 | fbc | aiuw, yeah apache2-common I think.. |
| 05:05.34 | fbc | aiuw, then a2enmod deflate for gzip compression |
| 05:05.37 | aiuw | It's been replaced by apache2.2-common and apache2-utils |
| 05:05.47 | fbc | aiuw, or a2enmod cache |
| 05:06.20 | fbc | aiuw, there you go.. you found them.. |
| 05:06.36 | aiuw | fbc, I have both of those packages already... |
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| 05:06.45 | aiuw | Yet the modules are still MIA |
| 05:07.00 | fbc | aiuw, then you should have those modules installed. |
| 05:07.12 | fbc | aiuw, then reinstall. |
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| 05:07.36 | aiuw | fbc, I've tried -_- , I've been at this for the last 3 hours .... |
| 05:08.19 | fbc | aiuw, apt-get ?reinstall? <packagenames> |
| 05:09.30 | aiuw | I have done so |
| 05:09.33 | aiuw | Multiple times |
| 05:09.55 | fbc | aiuw, then what happens when you put a2enmod deflate ? |
| 05:10.03 | fbc | what does it say? |
| 05:10.18 | fbc | does it enable it? |
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| 05:10.36 | aiuw | No |
| 05:10.44 | fbc | what's the error? |
| 05:10.49 | aiuw | fbc, I am missing modules , they aren't on my system |
| 05:10.54 | aiuw | 1 sec |
| 05:11.08 | lummox | I get these errors when I try to build fglrx packages for lenny using "./ati-driver-installer... --buildpkg Debian/lenny": http://paste.debian.net/24139/ The way I did it, it worked in etch, but in lenny it doesnt work anymore. |
| 05:11.20 | dashs | I have some non-Debian systems that have user UIDs starting at 500 -- how can I change the Debian system to recognize them as users , not system UID. |
| 05:11.21 | aiuw | fbc, http://pastie.org/344182 |
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| 05:11.56 | fbc | aiuw, that error has nothing to do with your modules |
| 05:12.21 | aiuw | fbc, it does, because I don't have the access module |
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| 05:14.19 | fbc | aiuw, http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10704.html |
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| 05:22.25 | enouf | lummox: see #ati perhaps |
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| 05:23.20 | lummox | I have it installed from non-free now :D |
| 05:23.32 | lummox | but it wants an xorg.conf, I dont have one though |
| 05:23.33 | enouf | lummox: you likely are missing some -dev pkgs |
| 05:23.54 | enouf | apt-file is your friend lummox |
| 05:25.25 | lostson | i take ati cards dont have the same utility like nvidia-xconfig where it will write a xorg.conf for you then you can tweak it ? |
| 05:25.47 | lummox | yes, but it requires that you already have a conf |
| 05:25.54 | lostson | oh |
| 05:25.57 | lummox | so you need a tool to create a basic conf first |
| 05:26.06 | lummox | or write the conf by hand :D |
| 05:26.28 | lostson | so wouldnt a dpkg-reconfigure work to write a basic xorg.conf ? |
| 05:26.59 | craigevil | lostson: hold on a sec and i will give you a ati xorg.conf to look at |
| 05:27.18 | lummox | it worked lol |
| 05:27.20 | lostson | craigevil: i dont need it give it to lummox |
| 05:27.26 | craigevil | oops |
| 05:27.28 | lummox | dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 05:27.47 | lostson | isnt it xserver-xorg ? |
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| 05:28.33 | lummox | or it was already there, I am stupid |
| 05:28.41 | craigevil | lummox: http://paste.debian.net/24140/ this is on mandriva but it shoudl be fine |
| 05:29.56 | craigevil | or you can use http://smxi.org/ |
| 05:30.06 | lummox | ok, I am sorry, I tyoed the wrong command all the time. Instead of "aticonfig --initial" I typed "aticonfig -install" |
| 05:30.13 | lummox | but thank you anyway :$ |
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| 05:31.26 | lummox | fglrx works |
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| 05:31.40 | enouf | lummox: for example; |
| 05:31.41 | enouf | ~$ apt-file search libfglrx_gamma.so.1.0 |
| 05:31.42 | enouf | fglrx-driver: usr/lib/libfglrx_gamma.so.1.0 |
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| 05:32.33 | lummox | enouf, it is in fglrx-driver, but, the ati-package should provide this file by itself.. |
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| 05:33.51 | lummox | fglrx-driver from non-free first didnt want to install |
| 05:33.57 | enouf | lummox: ok |
| 05:34.12 | lummox | it wanted to have some files in /etc, I just touched them, they are empty.. then it installed |
| 05:34.19 | sonicfart | what is the realese schedule for Debian Like (6 month rotation)? |
| 05:35.08 | craigevil | when its ready |
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| 05:35.54 | sonicfart | I fish called wanda is Laugh out loud Funny. |
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| 05:36.02 | craigevil | which is usually closer to 18-24 months, Debian isn't ubuntu, and for good reasons |
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| 05:37.21 | sonicfart | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.48 | craigevil | !releases |
| 05:37.48 | dpkg | it has been said that releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 05:40.23 | juhls | Anyone use partimage and LVM2? |
| 05:40.34 | lem86 | tasksel - development system option ? |
| 05:40.47 | lem86 | What happen to it? |
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| 05:42.44 | lem86 | 813 users all of which are sleeping |
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| 05:44.27 | tminos | or they don't know |
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| 05:44.51 | click170 | Is there a way, from a programming standpoint or otherwise, to determine/get/calculate the speed of flow going out say eth0, ^without^ being root? |
| 05:46.48 | enouf | juhls: does partimage have lvm support? |
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| 05:47.55 | enouf | juhls: i'd think not, from what little i know about it , but i know LVM is non-compatible (or totally different) with MSDOS style partition tables |
| 05:48.06 | juhls | enouf, I can state the device as a argument... But I am wary to depend on it. Was wondering if someone actually did it... And actually restored the backup. |
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| 05:48.33 | enouf | juhls: can you state a virtual disk? |
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| 05:48.38 | enouf | ok |
| 05:48.59 | juhls | enouf, I have no clue that is why I am asking |
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| 05:49.25 | SerajewelKS | hey weird problem, if i 'ssh host-a' it works, and if i 'ssh host-b' it works, but if i 'scp host-a:something host-b:' then after authenticating to host-a i get "Host key verification failed. lost connection" |
| 05:49.34 | juhls | enouf, google has many people say they accomplished it... I just wanted to hear from a real person. |
| 05:49.48 | enouf | juhls: well .. that's not debian specific, but touché - you could ask in almost any ##linux channel too :-) |
| 05:50.04 | enouf | oh .. well, that's a start |
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| 05:50.20 | juhls | enouf, I am in linux, debian, ubuntu, and some others no one is talking |
| 05:50.33 | enouf | juhls: i'll hush up then :-p |
| 05:50.39 | juhls | enouf, I am trying to greaten the odds of a answer. |
| 05:51.25 | SerajewelKS | what would cause scping from one host to another to fail like that? |
| 05:51.41 | nullboy | SerajewelKS: do host A and host B know about each other? |
| 05:51.45 | SerajewelKS | juhls: what is your original question? |
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| 05:51.51 | SerajewelKS | nullboy: no, i don't think so |
| 05:52.25 | SerajewelKS | nullboy: i was under the impression that a dual-host scp copied stuff through the box running the command |
| 05:52.42 | newsense | anyone know what could be making my bash history scroll extremely slow , it stalls when using num up and down keys |
| 05:52.44 | SerajewelKS | nullboy: since there is no network connectivity between them i figured i'd scp from a box that can reach both |
| 05:52.45 | enouf | SerajewelKS: hrm, does scp have a -L option like ssh? |
| 05:52.47 | newsense | always been that way just never got around to looking into it |
| 05:52.53 | juhls | Has anyone made a complete backup and restore of a computer using partimage and a drive that has LVM2 on it? |
| 05:53.14 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i don't know, but does 'scp a: b:' really tell host a to connect to host b? |
| 05:53.34 | enouf | newsense: watch what's happening with top/htop in another xterm maybe |
| 05:53.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i thought it would be more like 'ssh a tar -c something | ssh b tar -x' |
| 05:53.39 | juhls | I've used tar, snapshots, dd, rsync, cp -av.... I am just trying to find the simplest way... |
| 05:54.00 | SerajewelKS | juhls: i have used partimage to image individual volumes... |
| 05:54.27 | juhls | SerajewelKS, have you restored them sucessfully? |
| 05:54.32 | SerajewelKS | juhls: perhaps you could test on a virtual machine? |
| 05:54.34 | SerajewelKS | juhls: yes |
| 05:54.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: er .. not the way i think it works - with my small amt of limited knowledge on the matter |
| 05:54.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if it does tell a to connect to b, that's just retarded |
| 05:54.58 | juhls | I have virtualbox installed... I just wanted to make sure I wasn't wasting my time |
| 05:55.04 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if i wanted that i'd ssh to a and run the scp from there |
| 05:55.15 | SerajewelKS | juhls: experimenting is rarely wasting time :) |
| 05:55.16 | nullboy | SerajewelKS: scp is not running login |
| 05:55.21 | nullboy | so it is still a better tool |
| 05:55.34 | nullboy | ssh + scp means you are opening up a full env |
| 05:55.48 | SerajewelKS | nullboy: yes, but 'scp a: b:' doesn't imply *anywhere* that you're asking a to connect to b |
| 05:55.53 | juhls | SerajewelKS, when you have no time it is... I am in Iraq... I should be sleeping right now I work nights... |
| 05:56.05 | SerajewelKS | nullboy: to me it implies to coping the data from a and push it to b |
| 05:56.15 | nullboy | the scp manpage says "copies between two remote hosts is also permitted" which i take as between the two hosts using the initiating system just as control. |
| 05:56.16 | SerajewelKS | implies copying* |
| 05:56.35 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i mean, take a look at how to tunnel through box b, from a -> c (so using b as an intermediary) http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/438 some scp examples there as well |
| 05:56.39 | SerajewelKS | nullboy: yeah that's not how i read it at all. i suppose it could be read either way, but i'd think my interpretation would be more obvious. |
| 05:56.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i know how to tunnel :) |
| 05:56.59 | enouf | oh well ;-) |
| 05:57.34 | SerajewelKS | the thing i hate about tunneling ssh is that you have to go clean out authenticated_hosts later |
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| 05:57.49 | SerajewelKS | because you might reuse that tunnel port for another ssh tunnel with a different host |
| 05:58.02 | nullboy | so write a script that does that for you |
| 05:58.20 | SerajewelKS | known_hosts rather |
| 05:58.51 | SerajewelKS | a command-line option for "this is a transient, tunneled connection" would be fantastic :) |
| 05:58.57 | SerajewelKS | thinks about coding up a patch |
| 05:59.22 | scientes | how do i turn on my serial port as a terminal? |
| 05:59.32 | SerajewelKS | oh but no, being able to authenticate between two boxes... running as VMs on this same box... is more important than convenience, right? |
| 05:59.41 | enouf | tldp.org |
| 05:59.56 | nullboy | dood. if you can code up a patch can't you just read the scp doe and figure out the answer to the remote host copy yourself? |
| 06:00.07 | nullboy | doe/code |
| 06:00.23 | SerajewelKS | nullboy: sure, just saying it's made much harder than it needs to be |
| 06:00.55 | nullboy | or just watch the connections on the control box |
| 06:01.10 | SerajewelKS | what? |
| 06:01.21 | nullboy | i suspect that you will find control sending commands to A which needs to auth against B |
| 06:01.30 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 06:01.39 | SerajewelKS | except over ssh, no? so i can't really read it? :) |
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| 06:02.04 | nullboy | SerajewelKS: .....look at the traffic in a quantitative manner... |
| 06:02.06 | SerajewelKS | without a preload library intercepting openssl calls anyway |
| 06:02.38 | SerajewelKS | oh jeez wtf is wrong with me |
| 06:02.43 | SerajewelKS | these two boxes do have network connectivity |
| 06:02.47 | SerajewelKS | *plonk* |
| 06:03.01 | SerajewelKS | another reason not to do this kind of shit at 1AM |
| 06:03.09 | nullboy | yeah true enough |
| 06:03.16 | norc | Apparently the guys at ##linux are sleeping, so I try this channel, forgive me for doing so. Is there any good reference I can use to write my own bootloader? |
| 06:03.25 | norc | (Or is there a good place to ask?) |
| 06:03.37 | nullboy | SerajewelKS: but really, you could test just by setting up A and B with each others public files |
| 06:03.49 | norc | Err, I meant ##kernel not ##linux. :) |
| 06:03.50 | nullboy | then try to start the copy from Control |
| 06:04.12 | nullboy | norc: i suppose you could start by inspecting lilo and grub code |
| 06:05.25 | norc | nullboy: Ugh, I dont want to be ungrateful, but I was rather hoping for something small, not a 2-stage bootloader. |
| 06:05.35 | norc | lilo and grub do a lot of fancy stuff |
| 06:05.39 | nullboy | yeah way out of my league |
| 06:05.51 | nullboy | i know nothing about writing that type of stuff at all |
| 06:06.21 | norc | Even though, for some reason I havent thought about the grub channel! Heh. |
| 06:06.26 | norc | Thanks for reminding me somehow. |
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| 06:06.50 | nullboy | lol |
| 06:07.14 | norc | walks off to the grub channel |
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| 06:12.23 | Gozador | (¯`·.(¯`·. HoLa .·´¯).·´¯) |
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| 06:18.56 | enouf | norc: other things; syslinux.zytor.com and http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 06:19.41 | enouf | norc: http://www.mossywell.com/boot%2Dsequence/ |
| 06:20.48 | norc | enouf: That last link seems perfect. Thanks a lot |
| 06:21.25 | enouf | norc: no prob - one more http://bootutils.pr.linuxrulz.org/ |
| 06:22.09 | norc | Thanks :) |
| 06:22.49 | aidan | how do I pipe stdout to a file, stderr to stdout? |
| 06:24.21 | norc | aidan: 1. foo > file 2. foo 2>&1 |
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| 06:25.08 | norc | Assuming its bash that you are using. |
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| 06:25.23 | hoxu | aidan, stderr on terminal goes by default where stdout is going, eg. if you don't redirect it you'll see it |
| 06:25.43 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:25.57 | Guerin | is it even possible to send stderr to stdout? |
| 06:26.14 | enouf | norc: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/ralf/pub/WWW/files.html and and http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/bioslim.htm google int13h, int21 .. though there are other ways of booting, however weird, from ROM or EFI or whatever - but BIOS code (typical old proprietary garb) should die .. you'll want to learn ASM :-P |
| 06:26.20 | hoxu | I don't think that question makes sense :p |
| 06:26.28 | Guerin | hoxu: right, that's what I mean. |
| 06:26.33 | hoxu | :) |
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| 06:26.43 | norc | enouf: Well, learning to work the ASM is the idea behind my plan to write a bootloader :) |
| 06:26.52 | norc | s/the ASM/with ASM/ |
| 06:28.28 | \amethyst | aidan: foo 2>&1 >file sends stderr where stdout was going, and stdout to the file |
| 06:29.08 | enouf | norc: cool - there are a few lesser well known ones i've seen, can't recall them offhand, i think hiren's cd has/is one |
| 06:29.33 | \amethyst | aidan: so errmsg=$(ls blahblah 2>&1 > ls.out) will capture the error message in $errmsg, and the listing in ls.out |
| 06:29.34 | enouf | norc: http://asm.sourceforge.net/resources.html |
| 06:30.20 | dondelelcaro | you can also do foo 2>/dev/stdout 1>foo; or other similar tricks |
| 06:30.33 | aidan | I need only stdout to the file, then only stderr to stdout |
| 06:30.55 | enouf | do i hear tee anyone? |
| 06:30.58 | hoxu | aidan, what do you mean by "stderr to stdout"? You want to see the errors? |
| 06:31.03 | \amethyst | aidan: should stderr go to the file? |
| 06:31.07 | aidan | the reason is, the stdout is the useful stuff (an xml stream), but the errors are only displayed back to the user via output (which is stdout) |
| 06:31.28 | aidan | \amethyst: no, no stderr in the file |
| 06:32.02 | dondelelcaro | aidan: stderr won't be redirected to a file unless you tell it to be |
| 06:32.02 | aidan | sorry for trying to do silly things :/ I'm limited by the framework the code is being executed in |
| 06:32.59 | dondelelcaro | aidan: and if this isn't a shell, you should be able to do non-blocking reads on any of the filehandels that the code uses |
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| 06:33.01 | aidan | foo > file &2>&1 ? |
| 06:33.03 | dondelelcaro | (otherwise the framework is broken) |
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| 06:33.06 | enouf | dondelelcaro: by default, does it go to /dev/console ? or .. maybe /dev/tty0 ? |
| 06:33.06 | aidan | foo > file 2>&1 ? |
| 06:33.06 | hoxu | aidan, doesn't simple "> file" do? |
| 06:33.06 | \amethyst | aidan: foo > out.xml is all you need |
| 06:33.06 | \amethyst | aidan: otherwise foo 2>&1 > out.xml |
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| 06:33.11 | \amethyst | aidan: if you put 2>&1 last, that means stderr will go to the file |
| 06:33.28 | \amethyst | aidan: instead put it first so stderr points to the original stdout |
| 06:33.38 | aidan | \amethyst: foo> out.xml is good , but then any errors aren't shown to the user (only stdout is piped back, but I want to steal stdout) |
| 06:33.38 | \amethyst | or leave it out so stderr points to the original stderr |
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| 06:33.53 | \amethyst | aidan: so put the 2>&1 first |
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| 06:34.04 | aidan | \amethyst: great |
| 06:34.06 | aidan | thanks! |
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| 06:34.38 | \amethyst | it seemed backwards to me at first, until I learned just what the shell was doing |
| 06:35.18 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:35.40 | \amethyst | if you do >foo first, you're dup() ing the file |
| 06:36.07 | lummox | Has someone here installed the experimental toshiba_acpi module (http://memebeam.org/toys/ExperimentalToshibaAcpiDriver) in Debian (lenny?) and can control fan speed? It says I must patch the kernel. There is a patch for 2.6.26, uname -r tells me I have 2.6.26-1-amd64. Can this work? |
| 06:36.24 | \amethyst | aidan: it's also important to know that, if pipes are involved, they are performed before redirections |
| 06:36.43 | lummox | oh, now I see what a patzch is, lol |
| 06:36.47 | lummox | I must compile my own kernel |
| 06:37.00 | norc | Uhm, but `foo >file 2>&1' does the same as `foo >&file' right? |
| 06:37.15 | hoxu | norc, &>file? |
| 06:37.18 | \amethyst | norc: yes, but is portable to more shells |
| 06:37.28 | \amethyst | and &> is recommended over >& |
| 06:37.29 | norc | \amethyst: the latter or former one? |
| 06:37.33 | norc | ok |
| 06:37.38 | \amethyst | >file 2>&1 is more portable |
| 06:37.50 | norc | I thought as much, thanks for the confirmation |
| 06:38.06 | norc | >&file just seems like a shortcut :) |
| 06:38.42 | \amethyst | the problem with foo >& file is, what if "file" is "1" |
| 06:39.05 | norc | Yeah, I see your point |
| 06:39.11 | \amethyst | (well, you could quote it, which prevents interpretation as >&) |
| 06:40.13 | \amethyst | as >&<digit> that is |
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| 06:43.13 | norc | 08:34 < enouf> dondelelcaro: by default, does it go to /dev/console ? or .. maybe /dev/tty0 ? << I dont think the default actually matters, because you never know for sure where stderr might be going to |
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| 06:57.08 | Galaxor | Hi. I've got a situation -- I'm trying to work with apt-get in a chroot I've created. |
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| 06:57.44 | Galaxor | I installed some packages, and x11-common errored out, saying that it couldn't create /dev/null (permission denied). Now the entire package system is wedged. What do I do to unwedge it? |
| 06:58.04 | Galaxor | (it wouldn't be too much trouble at this point to blast the entire chroot, but I would like to avoid that). |
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| 06:58.36 | pivot_ | using find to locate a file, how do i declare that i do not want to match e.g. -name 'foo'? using -name -not 'foo' doesn't work :/ |
| 06:58.39 | Galaxor | Also, why is permission denied when >'ing to /dev/null? |
| 06:59.12 | hoxu | Galaxor, ls -ld /dev/null outside chroot and compare with what you created in the chroot |
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| 07:00.16 | Galaxor | They're both crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-06-17 13:57 /dev/null |
| 07:00.22 | Galaxor | (with the time being different) |
| 07:03.15 | enouf | norc: thanks for the reply |
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| 07:04.16 | enouf | lummox: read the kernel README |
| 07:04.43 | hoxu | Galaxor, what do you get when you chroot yourself and try "echo foo > /dev/null"? |
| 07:05.16 | enouf | lummox: note how you (usually?) must start with a base minor number (2.6.26), not a subversion (2.6.26-1) or whatever it's called |
| 07:05.57 | enouf | lummox: but the -1 is a debianism (or distroism) as opposed to kernel.org using 2.6.26.1.. |
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| 07:08.48 | norc | Galaxor: whats the command you are using? |
| 07:09.10 | Galaxor | Aha. The usb drive I had the chroot on was mounted with "nodev". |
| 07:09.17 | Galaxor | I remounted it with "dev" and we're all good now. |
| 07:09.18 | hoxu | duh |
| 07:10.03 | lummox | enouf, ok, I do it tomorrow it is already 0800 and I didnt sleep yet, lol |
| 07:10.51 | enouf | lummox: but note, you can grab debian sources and compile, but again, you want a/the base version |
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| 07:11.06 | enouf | lummox: make-kpkg is your friend ;-) |
| 07:13.41 | stoned | amarok: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:13.44 | stoned | uhm |
| 07:13.47 | stoned | wtf |
| 07:14.27 | enouf | stoned: messing with binary blobs again? |
| 07:14.45 | stoned | yeh |
| 07:14.55 | enouf | dumbass :-p |
| 07:15.13 | stoned | trying amarok2 experimental packages |
| 07:15.21 | stoned | failing to run |
| 07:15.26 | lummox | ok, thank you.. I go to bed to sleep until 1500 like an antisocial person.. bye :D |
| 07:15.28 | enouf | stoned: strace it? |
| 07:16.25 | stoned | yeh |
| 07:16.27 | stoned | this is moronic |
| 07:16.38 | stoned | whoever built the packages had everything point t /lib |
| 07:16.41 | stoned | while my libs are in /usr/lib |
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| 07:16.58 | stoned | so obviously despite myself having the propre libs this is dumbassed |
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| 07:30.15 | the_plumber | can someone tell me, if i dl 3.0r6, do i need to still apply the update cds that come with that last distribution? |
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| 07:31.06 | the_plumber | does the last version in the archive have the updates already applied? |
| 07:31.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, I'm wondering, how do I make sudo usable on debian? |
| 07:31.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't like it, but it's needed for some shell scripts |
| 07:31.27 | stone_1961 | what kind of filebroweser or filemanager can you advise |
| 07:31.47 | simonrvn | mc |
| 07:31.56 | stone_1961 | ok thx |
| 07:32.04 | the_plumber | stone_1961: try gentoo |
| 07:32.18 | stone_1961 | cute |
| 07:32.33 | the_plumber | gentoo is a filemanager |
| 07:32.46 | stone_1961 | not the os? |
| 07:32.51 | the_plumber | not the os |
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| 07:32.54 | stone_1961 | ok |
| 07:32.57 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: Install sudo, then use visudo to configure sudoi |
| 07:32.58 | the_plumber | its pretty configurable |
| 07:33.01 | stone_1961 | did not know |
| 07:33.01 | norc | s/sudoi/sudo/ |
| 07:33.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | norc: I looked at a file called sudoers, and it's not exactly intuitive what I'm supposed to do |
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| 07:33.56 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: Just a plain `visudo' will point to the man page for details |
| 07:34.20 | Szeraax | anyone wanna direct me to the friendly rebot that will tell me how to do a dist upgrade to lenny? |
| 07:34.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | norc: I just woke up, and that man page is about 20 A4 pages worth of material :/ |
| 07:34.51 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: If your computer is accessible from the outside (say via SSH) you want to make sure that sudo is strictly limited to users and specific applications |
| 07:35.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | norc: It's not |
| 07:35.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Everything is behind a NAT |
| 07:35.27 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: Then your sudoers contains an example of how to enable it |
| 07:35.41 | norc | Even then you want to be careful |
| 07:35.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | # Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password |
| 07:35.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | # (Note that later entries override this, so you might need to move |
| 07:35.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | # it further down) |
| 07:35.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | that? |
| 07:36.01 | norc | Yes, for example |
| 07:36.09 | norc | But malicious scripts could execute arbitrary code without restriction using sudo |
| 07:36.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | well... I do want them to need a password |
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| 07:36.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | But just to allow it to escalate to root priviliges, assuming the pw is correct |
| 07:36.59 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: Well either browse through the man page or google for a few examples. |
| 07:37.02 | norc | :) |
| 07:37.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | meh... Whoever invented man pages clearly isn't human. |
| 07:37.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or works in guantanamo. |
| 07:37.50 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: Well, you can always file a bugreport of contact the mailing list. |
| 07:38.04 | norc | s/of/or/ |
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| 07:38.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | norc: I'll google around a bit. If that doesn't help, I'll just modify the shell script to use su -c |
| 07:38.57 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: although `man sudoers' seems to be helpful to me. |
| 07:39.40 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: Just ignore the grammar in the beginning :) |
| 07:39.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think I found it out.. user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 07:40.16 | the_plumber | that should help |
| 07:40.32 | norc | reminds again that sudo is a dangerous tool and should be used with caution |
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| 07:41.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | norc: I usually use su, and have a shell open at all times. I know the risks, and I choose to ignore them, since this is merely my home PC, which I use for gaming and multimedia, got nothing really important on here. |
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| 07:41.55 | norc | Dark_Apostrophe: Well, it is always good practice to secure your system, but in the end it is your choice. |
| 07:42.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | norc: Well, put it this way, I'm aware of the risks, and I've taken the precautions I find necessary |
| 07:43.05 | norc | :) |
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| 07:45.00 | DanDare | What is a .diff file ? |
| 07:45.29 | norc | DanDare: A diff file is the difference between 2 other files |
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| 07:45.41 | hoxu | DanDare, man diff, man patch |
| 07:45.50 | DanDare | but its a script or just information for humans ? |
| 07:45.59 | hoxu | both |
| 07:46.27 | DanDare | so i need always edit it before using as script? |
| 07:46.48 | hoxu | DanDare, no, you can apply diffs using patch, assuming they are in a format patch understands |
| 07:47.03 | DanDare | how to use it ? |
| 07:47.25 | hoxu | DanDare, man patch; usually you use something like "patch --dry-run -p0 < ../foo.diff" |
| 07:47.43 | DanDare | ok hoxu, thank you |
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| 07:48.09 | hoxu | DanDare, google for "diff patch" and check the top results, there should be easy guides and examples |
| 07:48.20 | DanDare | ok, thanks |
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| 07:48.55 | hoxu | and hum, in my example it's actually -p1 usually :P |
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| 08:01.26 | Gigantic | where is the global emacs config? |
| 08:01.34 | Gigantic | like my ~/.emacs |
| 08:02.14 | avu | /etc/emacs/site-start.el and /etc/emacs$VERSION/site-start.d/ |
| 08:02.35 | Gigantic | *scratch ... |
| 08:02.48 | Gigantic | see no emacs config under /etc |
| 08:03.00 | avu | well, do you have emacs installed? :) |
| 08:03.38 | avu | and, if yes, did you install the debian packages or by hand or something like that? |
| 08:03.40 | Gigantic | using emacs to edit stuff right now :P |
| 08:03.48 | norc | Gigantic: You can use `dpkg -L emacs' to see which files got installed |
| 08:03.56 | Gigantic | wth |
| 08:04.08 | avu | emacs comes in more than one package though |
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| 08:04.12 | Gigantic | haha |
| 08:04.22 | Gigantic | doh I'm in ssh to another machine... |
| 08:04.24 | Gigantic | nvm :P |
| 08:04.40 | avu | /etc/emacs/site-start.el for example belongs to the package emacsen-common |
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| 08:10.02 | skt | likes duckies |
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| 08:12.27 | zophy[] | meow |
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| 08:34.30 | stoned | what |
| 08:34.33 | stoned | why |
| 08:34.45 | nullboy | oh shut up you're just stoned |
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| 08:36.50 | stoned | and... your point is? ;) |
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| 08:38.28 | Shovi | hey how do u config a wireless conn in console, for a network named Who, with pw 12345 |
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| 08:41.29 | nullboy | Shovi: depends on the encryption type but you want to look into iwconfig, iwpriv, iwlist, wpa_supplicant |
| 08:41.42 | Shovi | right |
| 08:41.52 | Gigantic | Shovi: man iwconfig |
| 08:41.52 | Shovi | iwconfig Who 12345? |
| 08:42.02 | enouf | read |
| 08:42.04 | nullboy | Shovi: stop guessing and read the manpages |
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| 08:42.19 | enouf | install wireless-tools pkg |
| 08:42.31 | enouf | and maybe wpasupplicant if you want that |
| 08:42.35 | Shovi | this isnt for me, trying to help a friend real quck |
| 08:42.38 | Shovi | cuz he dosnt have 2 comps |
| 08:42.46 | Shovi | so heneeds to get the right thing to type |
| 08:42.48 | enouf | tell him to pay quick :-p |
| 08:42.50 | nullboy | how does that change it? |
| 08:43.06 | Shovi | this is for eee debian |
| 08:43.09 | Shovi | installijgnj lx de |
| 08:43.16 | Shovi | lenny |
| 08:43.16 | enouf | Shovi: /msg dpkg hurry :-p |
| 08:43.20 | Shovi | lol |
| 08:43.27 | Shovi | k nm |
| 08:43.30 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 08:43.31 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2> and <atl1e>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:43.35 | Gigantic | he should pay us instead imo |
| 08:43.45 | Shovi | y |
| 08:43.57 | Shovi | this isnt paynode |
| 08:44.01 | Shovi | ill go there if i want |
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| 08:45.05 | nullboy | you should try helpushelpyounode |
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| 08:45.51 | Shovi | how bout nvmnode |
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| 08:49.49 | stoned | what\ |
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| 08:50.23 | stoned | pay? |
| 08:50.44 | stoned | you do not need to pay for #debian support |
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| 08:52.28 | SnoFox | What's the command to release my DHCP address? |
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| 08:52.54 | SnoFox | Or just give me the command and I'll use `man`. :p |
| 08:52.55 | stoned | ipconfig /renew |
| 08:53.00 | stoned | ipconfig /releae |
| 08:53.02 | SnoFox | stoned, even on Debian? |
| 08:53.04 | stoned | ;) |
| 08:53.07 | stoned | j/k |
| 08:53.12 | dondelelcaro | SnoFox: bring down the interface, and it'll be released |
| 08:53.13 | SnoFox | :p |
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| 08:53.31 | SnoFox | dondelelcaro: Bring down as in, `sudo shutdown -r now`? |
| 08:53.35 | stoned | SnoFox, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart -- sudo ifdown eth; sudo ifup eth |
| 08:53.37 | SnoFox | Or just the networking interface? |
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| 08:53.42 | dondelelcaro | SnoFox: as in ifdown fooiface; |
| 08:53.53 | SnoFox | :p |
| 08:53.58 | SnoFox | Foolface. There's a new one. |
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| 08:54.14 | stoned | no he said 'foo' 'iface' |
| 08:55.06 | SnoFox | I know. It's just I'm tired and my font maks it look like 'foolface' :p |
| 08:55.18 | virhilo_s | anybody know if the network options form sysctrl.conf file have .all. in name they should override those with the .interfece_name. in name ? |
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| 08:58.18 | narcarsiss | Where are the system icons stored in ubuntu/Debian |
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| 08:59.31 | stoned | narcarsiss, /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
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| 08:59.47 | stoned | narcarsiss, I dunno about ubuntu |
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| 09:00.56 | narcarsiss | Thats him thankyou |
| 09:02.32 | narcarsiss | Stoned: did you end up getting your ati drivers to work ? |
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| 09:04.07 | stoned | I never have problems I can't usually fix myself |
| 09:04.24 | stoned | and I wasn't the one needing ati driver help :) |
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| 09:05.01 | stoned | sweet, there is a Haskell .NET compiler |
| 09:05.09 | stoned | and a Lisp .NET compiler |
| 09:05.31 | stoned | sweet |
| 09:05.40 | turneralex | Hey i've got a deb machine with 8GB of ram (that the bios can see) but the os can only see 4GB :S |
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| 09:06.45 | stoned | turneralex, use amd64 |
| 09:06.51 | stoned | turneralex, whats your cpu? |
| 09:07.06 | turneralex | Umm, two 3.2Ghz Xeons |
| 09:07.11 | turneralex | single core |
| 09:07.29 | stoned | use amd64 |
| 09:07.30 | turneralex | stoned: /me LOVESS amd64 |
| 09:07.50 | turneralex | Amd = <3 |
| 09:07.59 | turneralex | especially for virtualization |
| 09:08.05 | turneralex | either way, any ideas? |
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| 09:08.55 | cahoot | uname -r |
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| 09:11.01 | narcarsiss | how can i gain full permission over my USR/SHARE/PIXMAPS directory so i can move some files there? |
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| 09:11.32 | ham5 | sudo <filemanager> /usr |
| 09:12.30 | \amethyst | but since they're not in /usr/local or a home directory it is possible that future package upgrades will overwrite them |
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| 09:13.35 | narcarsiss | thats ok i am creating a custom folder with icons for my AWN install look at my desktop on narcarsiss.deviantart.com to get an idea |
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| 09:15.36 | norc | Im looking for a small/lightweigth virtualization solution to develop a bootloader on x86 machines. Any recommendations? |
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| 09:16.53 | narcarsiss | i get erron for ham5 sajestion |
| 09:18.52 | robyonrails | hi guys... everytime I reboot my wlan0 configuration vanishes; so everytime I have to do "modprobe zd1211rw" and "ifup wlan0"... how can I make this changes permanent? |
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| 09:19.05 | gfather | hello guys |
| 09:19.20 | gfather | anyone has good info on strongswan ? |
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| 09:21.09 | mhymn | robyonrails: take a look at both '/etc/modules' and '/etc/network/interfaces' |
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| 09:21.55 | robyonrails | so I should add those commands to "/etc/network/interfaces" ? |
| 09:22.32 | robyonrails | is there a command that register the network configuration of now? |
| 09:23.11 | robyonrails | I don't know why the "Network Manager" doesn't work too |
| 09:24.19 | cahoot | robyonrails: if you want to use n-m you have to comment out everything but 'lo' in interfaces |
| 09:24.53 | neoice | is there a good app for editing svg files? |
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| 09:25.16 | mhymn | !tell neoice -about search |
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| 09:25.47 | neoice | mhymn: "good" means I'm looking for a recommendation |
| 09:25.55 | robyonrails | cahoot, I did that |
| 09:26.10 | robyonrails | but what is n-m ??? |
| 09:26.26 | cahoot | Network Manager |
| 09:26.30 | mhymn | philosophists here! good |
| 09:26.32 | robyonrails | ah ok |
| 09:27.25 | norc | neoice: gimp ? |
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| 09:27.46 | norc | neoice: or inkscape |
| 09:29.42 | xingu | norc: taken a look into kvm? |
| 09:29.42 | narcarsiss | is this DSL ??? or dial up http://www.speedtest.net/result/376095399.png |
| 09:30.01 | zinx | it's certainly not dialup |
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| 09:30.11 | stoned | dsl is dialup |
| 09:30.14 | stoned | :/ |
| 09:30.16 | norc | neoice: Well, technically dsl is dialup |
| 09:30.19 | norc | heh |
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| 09:30.27 | norc | s/neoice/narcasiss/ |
| 09:30.27 | zinx | dialup would be *max* 4 kb/s / 4 kb/s |
| 09:30.34 | zinx | DSL isn't dialup |
| 09:30.36 | narcarsiss | Pwned good to know you guys know your stuff |
| 09:30.37 | zinx | you don't dial anything. |
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| 09:30.44 | zinx | ISDN could be considered dialup.. |
| 09:30.47 | norc | zinx: the dsl modem does. |
| 09:30.47 | stoned | it is. |
| 09:30.52 | zinx | norc: no it doesn't. |
| 09:30.53 | stoned | and it does |
| 09:31.12 | cahoot | really useful debate |
| 09:31.18 | zinx | seriously |
| 09:31.29 | narcarsiss | sh*t i have started an argument |
| 09:31.30 | stoned | yousuck! |
| 09:31.37 | stoned | shit shit shit |
| 09:31.46 | norc | zinx: dialup is any sort of internet connection over a phone line. the reason why you can use the phone at the same time is the DSL filter |
| 09:31.51 | zinx | ISDN dials, DSL does not, even if it does use pppoe with some ISPs :P |
| 09:31.57 | xingu | narcarsiss: did you come here for being hit on the head lessons? down the hall third door to the right |
| 09:32.20 | narcarsiss | Thanks thort i was in the wrong room :P |
| 09:32.21 | zinx | norc: this is all pointless semantics, but i'm going to have to disagree anyway. i think that "dial up" should require actually having to "dial up" |
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| 09:32.33 | zinx | norc: DSL is connected directly at the other end, there is no dialing involved |
| 09:33.02 | xingu | more to the point it's not time-division multiplexed, but hey-ho. |
| 09:33.06 | stoned | zinx, it does 'dial up' ... no it isn't. it dials in, does authentication, then gets you online |
| 09:33.08 | narcarsiss | well there is my modem requires me to imput a username and password to dial into the server |
| 09:33.18 | stoned | zinx, I have had bellsouth dsl i know how it worked |
| 09:33.30 | ampex | stoned: that's just because you had pppoe software, it's not "dialing" |
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| 09:33.53 | zinx | stoned: as far as i know it's connected directly to the DSLAM |
| 09:34.14 | xingu | if dsl is dialup, what's metro ethernet? |
| 09:34.15 | zinx | stoned: i'd love to know what it "dials" though... afaik all it does is synchronize, which is rather different from dialing |
| 09:34.36 | zinx | stoned: i have bellsouth DSL, and all it does is syncronize :P |
| 09:34.38 | stoned | on a touchtone telephone you can't dial |
| 09:34.40 | stoned | it doesn't have a dial |
| 09:34.44 | stoned | so you can't dial a nubmer |
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| 09:34.48 | stoned | you wanna pick words? |
| 09:34.54 | stoned | I mean, kinda pointless don't ya think |
| 09:35.08 | zinx | stoned: synchronizing is rather different from routing a connection to the place |
| 09:35.08 | narcarsiss | it sincronizes to the exchange then the exchange dials to the ISP "as far as i know and understand" |
| 09:35.11 | ampex | stoned: dsl doesn't even use touchtones :) |
| 09:35.14 | zinx | stoned: i already stated all this is pointless semantics |
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| 09:35.23 | stoned | zinx, i agree |
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| 09:35.43 | ampex | I can use ppp to authenticate a vpn, is that dialing? |
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| 09:36.00 | stoned | yes |
| 09:36.20 | ampex | so, using a vpn is "dialing"? |
| 09:36.24 | norc | Fact is, DSL doesn't just require synchronization. First of all a connection must be established, this procedure *can* be looked at as dialing. |
| 09:36.33 | ampex | so, tcp/ip is dialing |
| 09:36.41 | stoned | you're dialing! |
| 09:36.42 | stoned | shaddup |
| 09:36.50 | xingu | I can use 802.11 beacon frames and wpa-psk to connect to an accesspoint, is that dialling? :) |
| 09:37.05 | stoned | it doesn't involve a phone line! |
| 09:37.08 | zinx | dialup IRC ftw |
| 09:37.13 | norc | I said "can be looked at as dialing" not "is called dialing" |
| 09:37.15 | zinx | i dialed in to irc.freenode.net |
| 09:37.21 | xingu | my dsl doesn't involve a phone line, it has no phone service on it |
| 09:37.24 | ampex | stoned: you just said I don't need to involve a phone line with my vpn which is still "dialing" |
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| 09:37.38 | stoned | zinx, here have some popcorn and soda |
| 09:37.43 | stoned | extra butter |
| 09:37.49 | ampex | stoned: so any communication over copper is dialing? |
| 09:37.59 | zinx | stoned: thanks, that's the perfect complement to this conversation! |
| 09:38.04 | stoned | :) |
| 09:38.30 | xingu | ampex: and glass; fiber to the home + terminal adapter == resi phone service. |
| 09:38.55 | narcarsiss | Later guys/Gals going squiding with the gf |
| 09:38.56 | ampex | what about voip? |
| 09:38.58 | ampex | is that dialup? |
| 09:39.06 | ampex | narcarsiss: is that a sexual reference? |
| 09:39.15 | xingu | ampex: I'm curious to know about the microwave case, there's heaps of that in rural .au |
| 09:39.20 | narcarsiss | not at all :P |
| 09:39.27 | stoned | are you all on crack/ |
| 09:39.28 | ampex | what exactly is squiding? |
| 09:39.29 | xingu | ampex: evidently wireless pstn doesn't count as phone service ;) |
| 09:39.31 | ampex | hunting squid? |
| 09:39.32 | stoned | wtf are ya'll discussing |
| 09:39.33 | stoned | lol |
| 09:39.40 | ampex | stoned: debian |
| 09:39.45 | ampex | using debian is a form of dialing |
| 09:39.46 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.49 | xingu | ampex: then there's satellite shoephones |
| 09:40.05 | stoned | I have a phone in my bath room |
| 09:40.11 | ampex | narcarsiss: ahhh, I got it |
| 09:40.12 | ampex | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squiding |
| 09:40.17 | zinx | stoned: i have a phone in my pocket |
| 09:40.35 | stoned | hehe yeh my pants are in my bathroom and my phone is in my pocket |
| 09:40.47 | stoned | pants pocket |
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| 09:41.20 | stoned | Alright people, g'nite. |
| 09:41.25 | stoned | *out* |
| 09:42.00 | xingu | then there's oddball things like v.120 |
| 09:42.23 | Supaplex | hey xingu :) |
| 09:42.32 | xingu | or v.150 come to think of it, which is odder still |
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| 09:42.45 | xingu | hiya Supaplex |
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| 09:43.58 | norc | votes for the wikipedia to be taken down |
| 09:44.12 | Supaplex | on what basis? |
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| 09:44.51 | norc | Well, I could name a few reasons. But most importantly.. well I dont like their logo. |
| 09:45.19 | petemc | you could just not read it |
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| 09:45.27 | Supaplex | that's what the stlish plugin for FF is for :) |
| 09:45.44 | xingu | personally, I'd broadly go for "if there's no signalling in the datalink, there's no dialling going on" - and consumer dsl is generally nailed up vc's, so that's a bzzt right there |
| 09:46.19 | xingu | (it doesn't have to be nailed up, it can be switched - which would be too messy for the average punter to work out, but which would involve dialling) |
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| 09:46.52 | norc | Anyway, Im off watching ST |
| 09:48.49 | xingu | ... hence ip on its own doesn't imply dialling, but ip payload plus ss7 and you got yourself a virtual dial cloud right there baby |
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| 09:57.20 | SoftVision | hi id like to install a fresh debian lenny system with kde 4.1 from backports. whats the best iso to download to get a minimal system quick? |
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| 09:58.25 | sackhacker | hello |
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| 09:59.30 | sackhacker | sometimes i have problems with knetworkmanager. It is loaded, but not available. Does anyone know this problem? |
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| 10:07.08 | evilgenius101 | Hi |
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| 10:08.39 | evilgenius101 | anyone some help with Virtualbox ?? on deb |
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| 10:18.40 | mhymn | just ask your question |
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| 10:19.51 | mhymn | but he's gone |
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| 10:20.20 | Bert_2 | Hi, what programes are there to make my etch server into a socks proxy server that's a bit secure (so with auth or something) ? |
| 10:20.21 | omid8bimo | hey guys |
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| 10:20.50 | omid8bimo | there was a package that contained a utility that would scan the disk for image recovery |
| 10:20.55 | omid8bimo | i forgot the name |
| 10:21.03 | omid8bimo | anyone has ant idea what it was? |
| 10:21.10 | Bert_2 | omid8bimo: recdisk I guess |
| 10:22.02 | Bert_2 | omid8bimo: if you search on recover and image you'll probably find it |
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| 10:22.40 | omid8bimo | Bert_2: i'm not sure, as i remember it has two utilities and could recover images from a flash memory that's not mounting |
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| 10:23.41 | nkuttler | hm, is there a uniq like tool that ignores whitespace changes? |
| 10:24.12 | mhymn | omid8bimo: photorec |
| 10:24.20 | Bert_2 | omid8bimo: long time ago since I used that kind of programmes so I don't really remember |
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| 10:25.14 | omid8bimo | i got it :) |
| 10:25.18 | omid8bimo | testdisk |
| 10:25.39 | mhymn | testdisk!?!?! |
| 10:26.11 | mhymn | omid8bimo: i strongly recommend you to give 'photorec' a try |
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| 10:26.34 | omid8bimo | mhymn: is it better then testdisk? |
| 10:26.50 | mhymn | in image recovery |
| 10:27.45 | mhymn | !info testdisk |
| 10:28.24 | dpkg | testdisk: (Partition scanner and disk recovery tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 6.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1524 kB, Installed size: 4532 kB |
| 10:29.03 | omid8bimo | mhymn: tanq dude, i'll installed it now |
| 10:29.09 | mhymn | np |
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| 10:31.08 | norc | xingu: Sorry for the late response to your suggestion regarding virtualization: No I have not, but I will do. Thanks for the hint. |
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| 10:35.54 | narcarsiss | evilgenius101: try maketecheasier dot com it is on there |
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| 10:41.36 | hoxu | ACPI Error (psargs-0358) |
| 10:42.12 | narcarsiss | ampex: Ha HA HA HA that is sick no this is squidding http://fishraider.com.au/Invision/index.php?showtopic=36611 |
| 10:42.31 | narcarsiss | urban dictonary ROFL |
| 10:42.33 | [evilgenius101] | can someone help me get " linux-headers-2.6.26.3 " |
| 10:43.02 | hoxu | !search |
| 10:43.02 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 10:43.59 | [evilgenius101] | http://www.paste2.org/p/118937 all others are there except the one i need |
| 10:44.27 | narcarsiss | evilgenius101: kernal.org |
| 10:44.46 | [evilgenius101] | i have the souce of package i need the headers to run virtualbo |
| 10:44.48 | [evilgenius101] | box |
| 10:45.24 | liable | !kernal |
| 10:45.24 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
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| 10:46.29 | narcarsiss | sudo apt-get install virtualbox |
| 10:47.00 | [evilgenius101] | i have vb , when i try to start a VM, it says VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED |
| 10:47.23 | narcarsiss | ?? dont know |
| 10:47.27 | [evilgenius101] | the vb linux kernel driver(vboxdrv) is either not loaded of a permisson problem , |
| 10:47.32 | [evilgenius101] | i am root. |
| 10:48.00 | narcarsiss | security issue being root my box |
| 10:49.10 | hoxu | [evilgenius101], so use m-a to install the module |
| 10:49.18 | hoxu | !m-a |
| 10:49.19 | dpkg | it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
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| 10:51.01 | [evilgenius101] | there are no headers |
| 10:51.05 | [evilgenius101] | m-a failed |
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| 10:52.26 | [evilgenius101] | is it safe to downgrade the kernel or anyone suggestions? |
| 10:55.42 | [evilgenius101] | anyone!??! |
| 10:56.26 | Spida | why don't you install the headers? |
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| 10:56.54 | [evilgenius101] | 2.6.26.3 there are no headers for this!! |
| 10:57.42 | hoxu | [evilgenius101], show us your sources.list |
| 10:57.58 | [evilgenius101] | ok jus min |
| 10:58.12 | hoxu | !paste |
| 10:58.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:00.17 | [evilgenius101] | http://www.paste2.org/p/118940 |
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| 11:02.56 | [evilgenius101] | hoxu, http://www.paste2.org/p/118940 any ideas |
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| 11:05.59 | hoxu | [evilgenius101], what did m-a prepare complain, exactly? |
| 11:06.24 | [evilgenius101] | m-a said cannot find headers and then installed build-ess and done |
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| 11:06.50 | Spida | do the headers require a deb-src line? |
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| 11:07.49 | hoxu | good point |
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| 11:08.20 | [evilgenius101] | is the src list misssing something? |
| 11:08.23 | hoxu | [evilgenius101], add deb-src lines for main and backports... also, youi have main contrib non-free in backpotrs but only main for etch |
| 11:08.57 | [evilgenius101] | can you please give me paste |
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| 11:09.19 | EarLy | how do i install flash for iceweasel on lenny? |
| 11:11.27 | valdyn | !dmo |
| 11:11.35 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 11:11.35 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 11:11.44 | valdyn | EarLy: from ^^^ |
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| 11:12.55 | valdyn | Package: flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 11:13.57 | EarLy | valdyn: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:14.16 | valdyn | EarLy: that is not the first error |
| 11:14.31 | dutchfish | hi, i have a question wich confuses me: 1. Open a root shell 2. open a second root shell 3. in 2nd: echo "this is second" 4. close all shells 5. Open again a root shell cat ~/.bash_history .... the echo statement is not in! (lenny latest amd64) |
| 11:14.39 | EarLy | valdyn: dpkg: error processing flashplayer-mozilla (--configure) |
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| 11:14.52 | valdyn | EarLy: also not the first error |
| 11:15.29 | EarLy | valdyn: update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so: No such file or directory |
| 11:15.55 | valdyn | EarLy: looks like you manually removed some file there? |
| 11:15.59 | [evilgenius101] | hoxu, still no |
| 11:16.05 | EarLy | valdyn: nope |
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| 11:18.46 | EarLy | valdyn: anyway for me to fix this? |
| 11:18.47 | valdyn | EarLy: ls -l /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so |
| 11:18.55 | [evilgenius101] | Hey Hoxu still there?? |
| 11:18.57 | dutchfish | EarLy, on 64 bit lenny? |
| 11:19.01 | EarLy | yes |
| 11:19.20 | dutchfish | !tell EarLy about flash64beta |
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| 11:20.05 | valdyn | hmm |
| 11:20.13 | valdyn | wonder why marillats package is broken though |
| 11:20.23 | dutchfish | EarLy, until flash-mozilla non-free is fixed this is only solution that works for me |
| 11:20.30 | valdyn | !flash64-beta |
| 11:20.35 | valdyn | !flash64beta |
| 11:20.35 | dpkg | i heard flash64beta is To use the beta flash non-free player without to run into problems in usermode download the tar.gz from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html, mkdir /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins and copy the extracted .so into it. |
| 11:21.16 | EarLy | dutchfish: will try. thanks |
| 11:21.21 | dutchfish | EarLy, yw |
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| 11:21.40 | [evilgenius101] | !damn |
| 11:21.40 | dpkg | it has been said that damn is goes to beaver mode #1. Dam building time |
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| 11:23.22 | xingu | heh, so much for the impossibility of porting the flash vm to 64bit code eh? |
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| 11:23.36 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 11:24.23 | dutchfish | i admit i would like to have a open source solution ... |
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| 11:30.32 | dutchfish | hi, i have a question wich confuses me: 1. Open a root shell 2. open a second root shell 3. in 2nd: echo "this is second" 4. close all shells 5. Open again a root shell cat ~/.bash_history .... the echo statement is not in! (lenny latest amd64) sorry for repeat |
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| 11:31.09 | petemc | dutchfish: how do you close the shells? |
| 11:31.20 | xingu | dutchfish: tamarin ? |
| 11:31.21 | dutchfish | petemc, by typing exit |
| 11:31.51 | dutchfish | petemc, seams to be not relevant so far |
| 11:32.12 | dutchfish | xingu, enlightne me please |
| 11:32.42 | xingu | !tell dutchfish -about tamarin |
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| 11:33.22 | dutchfish | xingu, thank you Sir, good to know |
| 11:33.54 | dutchfish | petemc, any idee? |
| 11:33.58 | petemc | http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Bash-History-Facilities |
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| 11:34.08 | dutchfish | petemc, default .bashrc |
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| 11:34.26 | S` | guys, i have a poptop vpn server but people can only use one internet ip on the machine now... i want to give each loginnam their own, different internet ip. any way to do this? |
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| 11:36.26 | Mike1 | hey |
| 11:36.39 | Mike1 | i want de Numblock enabled after boot |
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| 11:36.46 | Mike1 | how can i archieve that? |
| 11:37.11 | dutchfish | petemc, exactly, this is all true for the first shell, but not the second |
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| 11:37.46 | bolt | Mike1: the simplest thing to do is to set this in your bios |
| 11:37.54 | bolt | Mike1: I have yet to see a bios with no setting for this |
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| 11:38.18 | Mike1 | bolt: i think i tried that some time ago...it didn't work |
| 11:38.22 | dutchfish | petemc, to top it of: if the second shell is a remote one (ssh) ... the same! |
| 11:38.34 | bolt | Mike1: how didn't it work? |
| 11:38.43 | simonrvn | Mike1: numlock maybe? and maybe 'achieve'? you set that in the bios usually |
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| 11:39.13 | Mike1 | bolt: numblock was still not active |
| 11:39.14 | bolt | simonrvn: nonono. it's the lock that makes your knees all numb so you sit in front of the computer for longer |
| 11:39.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:39.55 | bolt | Mike1: was it active at boot and being deactivated along the way, or did your bios not manage to turn it on at all? also, what kind of keyboard/connector are we talking here? |
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| 11:40.17 | dutchfish | petemc, i know i can tweak it the way i would like it, but we are talking here about default behaviour |
| 11:40.17 | Mike1 | bolt: it's a PS/2 keyboard :) |
| 11:40.57 | Mike1 | bolt: i will try it with the BIOS now, i think the last time i tried it was with my old mainboard |
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| 11:41.05 | bolt | Mike1: ... |
| 11:41.26 | Mike1 | bolt: i just prefer a software way ;) |
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| 11:42.05 | bolt | Mike1: why? so that if your startup scripts don't run for some reason, numlock remains off? i immediately see the purpose of that. |
| 11:42.40 | xingu | dutchfish: from a quick sniff through tamarin's actually coming along nicely - you might even get your wish in 2009 :) |
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| 11:42.56 | dutchfish | xingu, good good :) |
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| 11:44.08 | osman | hi guys |
| 11:44.16 | osman | i wanna ask you something |
| 11:44.20 | xingu | dutchfish: nb, it'll never run _old_ flash code; strictly avm2+ (fp9+) |
| 11:44.36 | dutchfish | petemc, i will delve into it further, there might be security issues lurcking |
| 11:44.36 | osman | i want to use debian experimental |
| 11:44.37 | bolt | osman: you have our permission to ask us |
| 11:44.47 | dutchfish | xingu, nice |
| 11:44.49 | bolt | osman: you have our permission to do that as well |
| 11:44.50 | osman | i am using debian sid right now |
| 11:44.56 | osman | :) |
| 11:45.01 | bolt | !tell osman about enter |
| 11:45.38 | Mike1 | bolt: btw: the german ubuntuusers wiki says that the OS or the graphical interface usually overwrite the BIOS-setting |
| 11:45.41 | bolt | osman: just ask your question, preferably with all information and the question on a single line :) |
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| 11:46.35 | bolt | Mike1: if you tell them to, they certainly will. but i've never heard of a default install of anything doing that on its own |
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| 11:48.03 | osman | what i want to know is that editing the source list by changing the unstable to experimental then doing update&upgrade make my system debian experimental? |
| 11:48.28 | Mike1 | osman: i think so |
| 11:48.31 | bolt | osman: if you need to ask about that, you really shouldn't be doing it |
| 11:48.43 | bolt | osman: why do you want this? |
| 11:48.56 | osman | i want to use openoffice 3 |
| 11:49.03 | osman | and it is in experimental |
| 11:49.06 | bolt | O.o |
| 11:49.13 | bolt | !tell osman about backports |
| 11:50.04 | neoice | what command can I use if I need "if /mntpoint is mounted" in sh? |
| 11:50.19 | neoice | I could df and grep, but thats so inelegant. |
| 11:51.18 | bolt | neoice: I think "if df | grep -q '/mntpoint$'" is the nicest way to do that. sorry |
| 11:51.51 | osman | i know backports but i thought it will be good to use experimental so when O.o updates then I can update it fast without waiting it to enter backports |
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| 11:52.22 | bolt | osman: backport it yourself, and you can upgrade it whenever you want |
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| 11:52.48 | bolt | osman: also, I think stuff in experimental is pretty much compatible with sid anyway. just add experimental to your sources. |
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| 11:53.05 | Mike1 | bolt: looks like the BIOS of my current mainboard got no such option |
| 11:53.07 | bolt | osman: sorry to say, though, but you really don't sound like the kind of guy who should be doing this |
| 11:53.22 | bolt | osman: you know you can backport stuff from sid to lenny too, right? |
| 11:53.31 | valdyn | osman: experimental does not get updates, experimental is unsupported |
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| 11:54.24 | bolt | valdyn: so is sid, really. in here, at least |
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| 11:54.50 | osman | while adding experimental to my source list, i am supposed to remove the unstable from my source list |
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| 11:55.11 | bolt | osman: no. but you really, really want to use lenny, not sid |
| 11:55.11 | osman | but kde4 and O.o3 are just in experimental |
| 11:55.25 | bolt | backport! |
| 11:56.06 | osman | when i am using kde4 and |
| 11:56.10 | bolt | if you want a broken system, go right ahead, but don't come crying to us when you can't write your documents because the screen turns pink. seriously. |
| 11:56.17 | cahoot | wnat debian but not really? |
| 11:56.49 | osman | O.o3 in ubuntu, they are fine |
| 11:57.08 | osman | so when i use kde4 and O.o3 from experimental, i think it would not be broken |
| 11:57.15 | bolt | osman: in ubuntu, they are not built using the libraries you get from experimental |
| 11:57.25 | bolt | osman: this is the whole purpose of backporting something |
| 11:58.04 | osman | i got it, thanks |
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| 11:58.22 | osman | so i have to learn how to backport now |
| 11:58.33 | osman | any documentation? |
| 11:58.51 | bolt | dpkg should have sent you plenty |
| 11:58.52 | dpkg | bolt: i haven't a clue |
| 11:58.57 | bolt | dpkg: shut up |
| 11:58.58 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
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| 11:59.18 | bolt | yes i can. /ignore dpkg |
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| 12:09.30 | simonrvn | Mike1: it's weird to leave out a thing like that of a bios... |
| 12:09.46 | simonrvn | Mike1: checked the manuf.'s user/tech. manual? |
| 12:09.48 | Bert_2 | Hi, I can't find a socks5 server package, is only socks4 available in etch or did I miss something ? |
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| 12:10.10 | simonrvn | isn't it just "socks" for v5 ? |
| 12:10.55 | Bert_2 | simonrvn: the package "socks" does not exist for as far as I know |
| 12:11.16 | simonrvn | educated guess =) |
| 12:12.17 | Bert_2 | simonrvn: I've searched aptitude but it's not very clear, but I really need socks with auth and socks4 doesn't have auth I read |
| 12:12.43 | dutchfish | petemc, it looks like it is introduced with the fix for the history expansion here-string in bash 3.2, i gone check if i pinpoint it out and can fix it |
| 12:14.41 | mutante | do i have to install xmms skins manually, by downloading one by one from websites? hrmmm..was hoping apt-cache search xmms skins would return something, and i could get a whole bunch with a package |
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| 12:16.15 | mutante | ah yes, and on Lenny using the xmms package, the xmms volume control doesnt do anything, have to use aumix in seperate window |
| 12:16.51 | amphi | xmms is deprecated, I believe |
| 12:17.06 | simonrvn | Bert_2: i get a few things with an 'apt-cache search socks' ... |
| 12:17.14 | Tekno | bmpx is great |
| 12:17.48 | AerOx | ls |
| 12:17.48 | AerOx | cd |
| 12:18.13 | simonrvn | !ls |
| 12:18.14 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 12:18.26 | AerOx | !ls guisus |
| 12:18.31 | AerOx | humm |
| 12:18.45 | AerOx | to go codage C++7 |
| 12:19.00 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 12:19.53 | xingu | neoice: [ ! "`stat --format '%d' /path/to/mountpoint`" = "`stat --format '%d' /path/to`" ] && { ...; }; |
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| 12:22.51 | Bert_2 | simonrvn: I found out the dante server is suitable |
| 12:23.01 | Bert_2 | simonrvn: thank you for your help |
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| 12:27.23 | evilgeek | is there an easy way to get a recent version of gfortran on debian etch? |
| 12:28.56 | xingu | someone should produce a cuda target for gfortran :) |
| 12:29.06 | xingu | that shit would scream |
| 12:30.50 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: you should be able to backport gfortran-4.3 pretty easily |
| 12:31.12 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever version you think is "recent") |
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| 12:31.39 | evilgeek | this is a nuisance, though. oh well. has anyone done that already? |
| 12:31.41 | simonrvn | Bert_2: :) |
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| 12:33.48 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: it's -4.3 isn't in backports.org; I didn't check other versions |
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| 12:34.07 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: and backporting it shouldn't be too terribly difficult; the simple sid backport instructions will probably even work |
| 12:34.11 | evilgeek | how does one build a debian-like gcc package? i see a lot of stuff in the 'debian' directory. |
| 12:34.28 | evilgeek | ah, there are sid backport instructions. where? |
| 12:34.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell evilgeek -about ssb |
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| 12:35.10 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 12:35.12 | MJS | hi |
| 12:35.20 | dondelelcaro | if you have to do something more complicated, then you'll probably need to edit the contro, add a version, and build using dpkg-buildpackage or similar |
| 12:35.24 | Ace2016_- | is it possible for me to install debian onto a physical disk from within a VM? |
| 12:35.26 | MJS | does anyone know sth about LTSP? |
| 12:35.52 | Ace2016_- | or should i use chroot? |
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| 12:37.17 | Eulex | !ltsp |
| 12:37.18 | dpkg | ltsp is, like, the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org, or http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP, or #ltsp on irc.freenode.net |
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| 12:38.46 | MJS | when I use LTSP - how is it meant to be: a) to log in from the Thin Client to the OS running on the server (like ssh) or b) to log in on a OS installed in /proc/ltsp |
| 12:38.47 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: no reason why not; there's no difference between a chroot and a mounted physical disk |
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| 12:39.15 | newfeats___ | how easy would it be to stay with testing to 'lenny?' |
| 12:40.31 | dondelelcaro | newfeats___: just put lenny in your sources.list instead of testing, and that's what'll happen |
| 12:40.38 | evilgeek | this is actually pretty annoying --- there are six or seven unsatisfied build dependencies. are things likely to break if i build gcc with an inappropriate version of binutils or mpfr? |
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| 12:41.04 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: possibly; depends why the build dependencies are the way they are. |
| 12:41.22 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: though quite often you can relax them for the purposes of a backport |
| 12:41.54 | newfeats___ | do i need to download all the CDs to make a default install or just CD1 for GNOME? |
| 12:41.58 | evilgeek | i suppose i'm asking whether people are in the habit of making packages require new versions of libraries for no particular reason, or whether careful thought is put into such decisions. |
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| 12:42.37 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: there's almost always thought put into the decision, but it's not always a case of breakage if it's not satisfied |
| 12:42.42 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: or at least, not serious breakage |
| 12:42.57 | evilgeek | meh, okay. |
| 12:43.20 | dondelelcaro | (the reasons why you set version dependencies range from API incomaptibilities to minor bugs) |
| 12:44.23 | dutchfish | ! newfeats___ about netinstall |
| 12:44.25 | evilgeek | eh, fuck. i just don't think i have the heart to compile gcc just to get libgfortran3. |
| 12:44.55 | dutchfish | !newfeats___ about netinstall |
| 12:45.05 | dutchfish | !tell newfeats___ about netinstall |
| 12:45.13 | dutchfish | sorry |
| 12:45.24 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: heh |
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| 12:49.18 | simonrvn | wayching gcc bootstrap itself on freebsd is always enyertaining :P. |
| 12:49.35 | simonrvn | meh, mind my typos |
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| 12:51.36 | g00se | Just working on script + app to reboot router when internet goes down. Wondering how to activate the script, which basically pings a couple of sites and then takes action is they're unreachable |
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| 12:52.16 | g00se | s/is/if |
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| 12:52.41 | joltcan | g00se: put it into crontab and run it every x minute? |
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| 12:53.40 | g00se | joltcan: well,firstly it should run every n seconds, and secondly only when iface is *meant* to be up |
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| 12:54.14 | dutchfish | g00se, you might want to delve into heartbeat .... |
| 12:55.23 | dutchfish | g00se, you dont need it all the way, but studying its ource might be very helpfull |
| 12:55.30 | dutchfish | s/ource/source |
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| 12:56.14 | g00se | dutchfish: Thanks. Pretty certain i should be interacting with init.d in some way |
| 12:56.57 | dutchfish | g00se, or another way is interacting with the kernel directly, depends on what you exactly needs |
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| 12:57.54 | joltcan | g00se: Maybe just run it as a loop with sleep x and a while true; do ... done then |
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| 12:58.58 | joltcan | runnig it from inittab might be an idea as well |
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| 12:59.07 | g00se | joltcan: well, that's pretty much all it is. It's just a question of integrating with networking |
| 12:59.44 | dutchfish | g00se, ippl is another one |
| 12:59.55 | g00se | I had some vague idea there were ifup and ifdown script hooks ... |
| 13:00.08 | dutchfish | g00se, man ip |
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| 13:02.16 | dutchfish | g00se, also ipcheck: /usr/sbin/ipcheck |
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| 13:02.47 | g00se | Ah |
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| 13:04.03 | g00se | ipcheck actually looks more like something relating to dynamic dns |
| 13:04.11 | dutchfish | g00se, yes |
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| 13:04.34 | dutchfish | g00se, but there are gems in it's script |
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| 13:04.53 | g00se | Right |
| 13:06.27 | Zharf | ages ago there was apt-setup, is there something similar nowadays? |
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| 13:08.36 | dutchfish | Zharf, for what its worth: dahb-html: /usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/apt-setup.html |
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| 13:10.09 | dutchfish | Zharf, if you have key problems: dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 13:10.59 | dutchfish | Zharf, on lenny that is |
| 13:11.19 | Zharf | dutchfish, nah, some fellow just wanted to find the tool to select mirrors... apparently he still has sarge so he also has apt-setup, but I'm just wondering if there's an equivalent in current sid |
| 13:11.27 | Zharf | not that I relaly need it :) |
| 13:11.48 | dutchfish | Zharf, sorry, it went |
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| 13:12.01 | jackweb | Hiho. Is there anybody who knows how to set a character as combination of a keyboard's keys? For example: shift + alt + 0 = ° |
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| 13:13.26 | dutchfish | Zharf, you might want to set a pool instead of a mirror |
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| 13:15.32 | dutchfish | !tell Zharf about netselect |
| 13:17.31 | g00se_ | Thanks guys! |
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| 13:18.01 | mcgreg | hi |
| 13:18.43 | mcgreg | I have a question about 64/32bit. if a system is 64bit and I want to start a 32bit file which needs libs .. does they all need to be 32bit too? |
| 13:18.46 | dutchfish | Zharf, even better there is netselect-apt |
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| 13:19.33 | H2S04 | mcgreg, yes |
| 13:19.37 | mcgreg | damn |
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| 13:19.54 | H2S04 | mcgreg, what are you trying to run? |
| 13:20.02 | mcgreg | okay .. is there any chance to start ZSNES on debian amd64? |
| 13:20.24 | mcgreg | since this tool is 32bit only |
| 13:20.35 | Eulex | mcgreg, run it in a chroot |
| 13:20.49 | dutchfish | mcgreg, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
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| 13:22.52 | jackweb | Hello. I had a problem and I'm asking again: is there any body who knows how to set a character to a combination of keys like: alt + shift + 0 = °? |
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| 13:23.04 | jackweb | s/any body/anybody/; |
| 13:23.05 | Danker | Hi |
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| 13:23.36 | Danker | Could someone offer me a program to view MS PowerPoint pps slides? Without OO.o impress |
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| 13:23.55 | Eulex | jackweb, xmodmap |
| 13:24.06 | jackweb | Eulex: thanks, I'll try |
| 13:24.13 | heavenquake | Danker: you could use Lotus Symphony.. although that's actually a modded OOo ;P |
| 13:24.26 | superjet_busy | Danker: pptview |
| 13:24.35 | Eulex | jackweb, google it. |
| 13:24.41 | jackweb | :) |
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| 13:25.33 | Danker | superjet_busy: In what repository it is? |
| 13:25.44 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 13:26.01 | Eulex | Danker, appears to be in non-free |
| 13:26.02 | superjet_busy | Danker: no-free |
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| 13:26.21 | Ace2016_- | if i make a degraded raid1 with only 1 drive and then use the debian installer will i be able to install onto the degraded raid array or not? |
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| 13:26.48 | Danker | superjet_busy: Thanks |
| 13:26.59 | superjet_busy | np |
| 13:29.19 | dutchfish | Ace2016_-, in theorie yes, as long as the remaining disk doesnt fail. Is it good practise: no |
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| 13:30.12 | pk__ | hi |
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| 13:30.47 | dutchfish | Ace2016_-, fix your disk problems first |
| 13:30.56 | pk__ | On my quest to configure wlan, I noticed I didn't have my kernel built with WEP encryption |
| 13:31.48 | pk__ | how can I add it ? |
| 13:32.14 | liable | uh, all debian kernels have it |
| 13:32.18 | Eulex | are you running a debian kernel? |
| 13:32.22 | pk__ | yep |
| 13:32.51 | Eulex | what exact error are you attaining and what exact command are you running? |
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| 13:32.55 | liable | explain why you think you dont have it then |
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| 13:33.29 | pk__ | when I run iwconfig eth2 key restricted |
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| 13:33.51 | pk__ | It says it is unable to set the encryption on this device |
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| 13:34.06 | pk__ | argument error |
| 13:34.56 | Eulex | and you did append your key after 'restricted'? |
| 13:35.05 | liable | have you looked at the man page? |
| 13:35.21 | liable | it shows you should add the key after |
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| 13:37.09 | pk__ | ho |
| 13:38.59 | valdyn | pk__: CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_WEP=m |
| 13:39.09 | valdyn | pk__: that is at n in your config? |
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| 13:42.11 | pk__ | valdyn: I'm gonna check |
| 13:42.46 | yahoo_u | can some one please tell me how do i read this out put of log /what it mean ----2008:12:21-19:05:37 (none) ulogd[2655]: id="2001" severity="info" sys="SecureNet" sub="packetfilter" name="Packet dropped" action="drop" fwrule="60001" initf="eth1" dstmac="xxx:58" srcmac="xxx3" srcip="xxxx1" dstip="224.0.0.1" proto="2" length="32" tos="0x00" prec="0x00" ttl="1" |
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| 13:43.52 | pk__ | valdyn: It says m, wih I suppose stand for module |
| 13:43.56 | liable | yahoo_u: whatever firewall package you have (its just an iptables message) has dropped packets for whatever reason |
| 13:44.17 | valdyn | pk__: so you do have wep support built in |
| 13:44.18 | liable | wtf is ulogd? |
| 13:44.26 | pk__ | valdyn: ok thx |
| 13:44.36 | valdyn | lostson: syslog replacement |
| 13:44.45 | liable | valdyn: is that even valid for lenny kernels with mac80211? i dont think so |
| 13:44.55 | yahoo_u | can u please tell me which packets its drop and is there any way to findout more about which packets are what |
| 13:45.28 | abrotman | yahoo_u: which version of debian is this? |
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| 13:45.43 | valdyn | oops |
| 13:45.47 | yahoo_u | i dont know |
| 13:45.52 | enouf | ... |
| 13:45.57 | abrotman | yahoo_u: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. tell us what it says |
| 13:46.00 | valdyn | liable: not really a syslog replacement, its just for logging iptables output |
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| 13:46.05 | yahoo_u | ingernal can u please tell me in gernal |
| 13:46.20 | abrotman | yahoo_u: "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" .. tell us what it says |
| 13:46.29 | pk__ | valdyn: what's the name of that module ? |
| 13:46.35 | valdyn | liable: i cant tell the 2 wlan stacks apart ( forgot names ), but this in my 2.6.27 kernel |
| 13:46.43 | yahoo_u | i dont have root acess |
| 13:46.52 | abrotman | yahoo_u: you don't need it .. tell us what it says |
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| 13:47.27 | yahoo_u | how do i find out /to understand what i should read |
| 13:47.31 | valdyn | pk__: ieee80211_crypt_wep |
| 13:47.34 | abrotman | yahoo_u: "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" .. tell us what it says |
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| 13:47.37 | yahoo_u | ok let me try |
| 13:47.38 | pk__ | valdyn: thx |
| 13:47.57 | yahoo_u | command not found |
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| 13:48.19 | abrotman | yahoo_u: then you're not using debian .. try a channel for your distro |
| 13:48.50 | yahoo_u | how do i check that but there was board on pc that its debian |
| 13:48.59 | yahoo_u | sorry i may be worng |
| 13:49.04 | valdyn | yahoo_u: try #iptables |
| 13:49.08 | yahoo_u | or board may be wrong |
| 13:49.11 | abrotman | yahoo_u: "uname -a" .. what does it say ? |
| 13:49.27 | valdyn | yahoo_u: even if it was debian this is probably the wrong place to ask about iptables in such detail |
| 13:49.35 | yahoo_u | Linux ace 2.6.16.60-77-default #1 Fri Jul 11 07:50:09 UTC 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 13:49.47 | valdyn | redhat |
| 13:49.52 | valdyn | or centos, i guess |
| 13:50.04 | liable | ceratainly not debian at any rate |
| 13:50.07 | abrotman | yahoo_u: try #iptables or ##linux |
| 13:50.17 | yahoo_u | ok |
| 13:50.22 | yahoo_u | thanks friends |
| 13:50.36 | dutchfish | yahoo_u, this might be a special build (firewall appliance) |
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| 13:50.51 | enouf | !tell yahoo_u -about version |
| 13:50.57 | yahoo_u | sorry i dont know |
| 13:51.15 | abrotman | yahoo_u: try #iptables or ##linux |
| 13:51.31 | yahoo_u | but in gernal what i should read to understand this /this is out porject for semister |
| 13:51.37 | enouf | yahoo_u: specifically; cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} |
| 13:51.45 | abrotman | yahoo_u: try #iptables or ##linux |
| 13:51.53 | abrotman | yahoo_u: go ask them, not us |
| 13:52.18 | valdyn | 224 is a link local thing, no? |
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| 13:52.34 | valdyn | sounds like someone running avahi/rendezvous/itunes |
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| 13:53.20 | valdyn | i *do* drop those packets, intentionally |
| 13:53.36 | jelly-home | 224 = multicast (not necessarily link-local) |
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| 13:55.10 | pk__ | thx to you I can configure my connection |
| 13:55.16 | pk__ | but I still can't connect |
| 13:55.25 | yahoo_u | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.27 | yahoo_u | cat: /etc/*release*: No such file or directory |
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| 13:55.32 | abrotman | yahoo_u: try #iptables or ##linux |
| 13:55.33 | pk__ | I did load the wep encryption module |
| 13:55.45 | yahoo_u | yes i will thanks |
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| 13:57.56 | xci | hi guys, do you know if it's possible to use my nokia as an internet-modem in my linux |
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| 13:59.26 | hoxu | xci, most likely yes, try googling with your model name |
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| 14:00.29 | dutchfish | xci, http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/2008/09/28/howto-use-your-nokia-n95-cellphone-as-a-bluetooth-modem-for-linux |
| 14:00.56 | hoxu | you should be able to use the cable too |
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| 14:08.05 | DanDare | Hello. I have one diff patch and i must ./configure first and then apply patch or apply first and ./configure after ? |
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| 14:08.51 | Eulex | DanDare, probably before. depending on what the patch does, it may work to apply it afterwards too |
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| 14:09.18 | DanDare | eo Eulex, thanks |
| 14:09.22 | DanDare | *ok |
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| 14:09.44 | DanDare | if i do before and after ? |
| 14:09.56 | Eulex | then it will fail when you do it after |
| 14:10.22 | DanDare | ok |
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| 14:10.44 | DanDare | the source code is on /root/installs/directory |
| 14:10.51 | DanDare | i should use -p2 ? |
| 14:10.56 | DanDare | for path |
| 14:11.02 | DanDare | *patch |
| 14:11.10 | Eulex | you cannot tell without taking a look at the patch |
| 14:11.20 | DanDare | right |
| 14:11.49 | Eulex | use an appropriate -p level so file names in the patch file resolves to the real ones |
| 14:12.02 | DanDare | yeah |
| 14:12.16 | DanDare | it may be -p1 |
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| 14:12.22 | DanDare | commonly, i guess |
| 14:12.43 | hoxu | --dry-run is your friend |
| 14:12.55 | DanDare | the diff file is in gz format ... i must discompact first, right ? |
| 14:13.41 | DanDare | nice, dry-run to simulate things |
| 14:13.56 | Eulex | yes, you must decompress it firstly |
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| 14:16.38 | DanDare | and i have some .dpatch files, its same procedure as for .diff ? |
| 14:16.53 | Eulex | never used dpatch |
| 14:17.00 | DanDare | right |
| 14:17.24 | scientes | hw can you authenticate against pam in a program? |
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| 14:17.56 | abrotman | scientes: programming language is ? |
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| 14:22.52 | simonrvn | DanDare: you use dpatch with them. |
| 14:23.20 | DanDare | ok, thank you |
| 14:23.43 | superjet_busy | DanDare: patch -p1 works |
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| 14:24.42 | DanDare | its weird, this patch references to /debian/apache.conf /debian/init.d /debian/dirs /debian/compat and others |
| 14:24.45 | tziku | ello, i have a network server home connected with optical cable, to this server i have routed 1 class of ips(XX.33.107.1), and provider gives me 1 ip(XX.55.5.38). I give to one of my network computers ip XX.33.107.5 , when i try to acces this ip from outside is going corectly to this XX.33.107.5 but when i acces a webpage from this computer is exiting with server ip address XX.55.5.38. Help ? |
| 14:24.51 | DanDare | it is going to change my apche.conf file ? o.O |
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| 14:25.13 | simonrvn | DanDare: $(pwd)/debian/foo |
| 14:25.29 | simonrvn | i.e., sourcetree/debian/* |
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| 14:25.36 | DanDare | $(pwd)/debian/ |
| 14:25.39 | DanDare | ops |
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| 14:36.19 | enouf | yahoo_u: way to only show the output of one line from a command that spits out atleast 5, however, you likely wouldn't even realize to use a pastebin, so nm |
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| 14:46.57 | flami | Hi, Im trying to find out if there is a way to make apt not upgrade a package I installed with dpkg -i ... ? I tried pinning origin "" , but it still wants to upgrade |
| 14:47.10 | asg | flami: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:47.16 | flami | thanks |
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| 14:49.05 | mcgreg | do you know if there is a tool that can read/write memory from ram->vram .. I would like to test the speed |
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| 14:50.31 | eggy_ | hello, does anyone experience problems with iceweasel in lenny or unstable? I get this for lots of pages: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/96265/ |
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| 14:51.11 | enouf | mcgreg: i think there's some x related thingy .. one sec |
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| 14:53.54 | enouf | mcgreg: bah, i can't find it nor recall the name, ask in an x related channel, maybe #xorg{-devel} |
| 14:54.08 | flami | hum it doest want to upgrade it anymore ...buuuttt m-a still calls aptitude install fglrx-source , thus making the hold invalid . |
| 14:54.09 | mcgreg | hehe okay, thx you enouf |
| 14:54.21 | SoftVision | hi id like to install debian with kde 4.1. should i go for a lenny or etch netiso? |
| 14:54.52 | flami | SoftVision: try sid |
| 14:55.07 | flami | I run 4.1 and i now have a lenny/sid/experimental mixture |
| 14:55.17 | mhymn | lenny is fine for kde4 |
| 14:55.21 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 14:55.21 | dpkg | kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 14:55.22 | SoftVision | so which netiso should i start with? |
| 14:55.36 | SoftVision | I just want a fast debian system with kde 4.1 |
| 14:55.48 | flami | lenny works, but you need some packages out of sid to get it running |
| 14:56.00 | SoftVision | so sid would make more sense? |
| 14:56.10 | flami | yes but theres no sid cd ;) |
| 14:56.21 | flami | so go for lenny |
| 14:56.40 | SoftVision | lenny and then just add the kde 4.1 backports repo right? |
| 14:56.56 | flami | I got kde 4.1 out of experimental |
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| 14:57.18 | mhymn | SoftVision: you see what dpkg told you above? |
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| 14:57.26 | SoftVision | ah yes |
| 14:57.56 | SoftVision | ok so id have to choose the lenny option right? |
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| 14:58.47 | flami | SoftVision: never tried that , but might be easier to set up then messing with experimental. |
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| 14:59.01 | SoftVision | basically you used this: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html right? |
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| 14:59.14 | enouf | SoftVision: i'll say this; it's much easier to upgrade than to downgrade :-) |
| 14:59.46 | SoftVision | ok im getting a little confused here :) |
| 15:00.00 | enouf | !choices |
| 15:00.07 | SoftVision | so ill take it step by step: which netiso: lenny or etch? |
| 15:00.16 | enouf | start with Lenny |
| 15:00.18 | flami | leny |
| 15:00.23 | SoftVision | ok |
| 15:00.28 | Ace2016_- | hi all |
| 15:00.46 | Ace2016_- | when doing a debian netinstall is it possible to tell it to use raid1 with one drive, so that i can add the second hard drive later? |
| 15:00.46 | SoftVision | then do i go here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html or here: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 15:00.47 | enouf | !tell SoftVision -about grounding |
| 15:01.27 | enouf | SoftVision: re-read the last sentence of what dpkg said |
| 15:01.34 | Ace2016_- | i need to copy over the config files from the second drive and then use the second drive as the second disk in the raid |
| 15:01.48 | Ace2016_- | unless i make a backup, but there is nowhere to put that much space :( |
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| 15:02.07 | joltcan | Ace2016_-: It's covered by http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-6.html |
| 15:02.21 | SoftVision | read the install guide? |
| 15:02.24 | enouf | Ace2016_-: mdadm docs tell you how and what to do |
| 15:02.24 | joltcan | Ace2016_-: Oh, but I'm not sure if it works in install or not |
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| 15:03.04 | Ace2016_- | its either a netinstall or a chroot install and the netinstall would be a lot easier |
| 15:03.18 | Ace2016_- | but i need to figure out how to tell it that the raid1 only has a single drive for now |
| 15:03.56 | SoftVision | enouf: about reading the install guide? |
| 15:04.10 | enouf | Ace2016_-: might want to ask specific questions about the installer by emailing debian-user and possibly debian-boot, both at lists.debian.org - make sure you're specific about which installer and ISO , etc |
| 15:04.36 | enouf | SoftVision: "...but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian." |
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| 15:05.17 | enouf | SoftVision: sorry, i meant the kde4 factoid, not the grounding one i sent you in PM through dpkg the bot |
| 15:05.50 | enouf | !customer |
| 15:05.50 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 15:06.38 | TwistOfFate | so do we know what the next version of debian will be? |
| 15:06.45 | TwistOfFate | will they call lenny 5.0? |
| 15:07.02 | mhymn | yep |
| 15:07.29 | enouf | TwistOfFate: not decided yet .. oh .. Lenny, yes is 5.0 .. but Squeeze, the successor is not yet known .. |
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| 15:08.09 | TwistOfFate | fair enough |
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| 15:10.18 | Ace2016_- | is noatime in /root a good thing? access time is when it was last read or modified? i would like to keep info on when it was last modified and created, the time it was last read isn't useful to me |
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| 15:11.17 | cahoot | relatime? |
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| 15:12.01 | folken | Ace2016_-: atime only means when you read the file. the timestamp gets updated when you write to the file. |
| 15:12.04 | enouf | Ace2016_-: i use noatime on my / ... it's atime, not mtime |
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| 15:12.42 | enouf | Ace2016_-: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/ctime_atime_mtime.html |
| 15:12.49 | folken | Ace2016_-: you should use atime if you are installing to a sdcard or another write degrading medium. |
| 15:13.12 | enouf | huh? |
| 15:13.28 | enouf | you mean noatime |
| 15:13.31 | Ace2016_- | cahoot: thanks thats good enough |
| 15:13.40 | jvm_ | hi. i installed the latest etch security update for my courier server, which uses a mysql authentification method, and just in this moment several entries from my user table were..deleted. they are just gone. is there any explanation? |
| 15:14.37 | enouf | 'relatime' is dependent upon kernel versions, IIRC |
| 15:14.44 | Ace2016_- | i only wanted to add noatime to avoid last read time, seems pointless but if some apps use it relatime is good enough |
| 15:14.48 | Ace2016_- | oh |
| 15:15.07 | Ace2016_- | enouf: but i'm guessing its in the latest kernels lenny onwards? |
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| 15:15.14 | enouf | yep |
| 15:15.35 | enouf | i'd gather so - i can't recall when it was added .. ugh .. |
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| 15:16.39 | enouf | Ace2016_-: atime is an issue, cause for every read, there's a write ... which sucks |
| 15:17.00 | Ace2016_- | what uses atime? mtime would be useful for backups but atime? what would that be used for? |
| 15:17.27 | enouf | Ace2016_-: there've been many a kern dev argument about it - Mail apps for ex |
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| 15:17.49 | enouf | hence; relatime as some sort of happy middle-ground |
| 15:18.21 | enouf | !dbugs 481653 |
| 15:18.24 | dpkg | #481653:N[debian-installer] use relatime for default install (); Sat, 17 May 2008 18:24:02 UTC [] |
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| 15:18.34 | Ace2016_- | so thats one use: As atime is used by popularity-contest to collect information on what packages has been used the last week |
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| 15:19.34 | Ace2016_- | and also email clients to see if email has been read, interesting, but could have been done in a different way |
| 15:20.05 | Ace2016_- | i still can't find a reason as to why atime is used apart from those two instances |
| 15:20.22 | Ace2016_- | atime could be used to optimise the hard drive arrangement i guess |
| 15:20.36 | Ace2016_- | start with atime, switch to noatime, check atimes then rearrange the drive to optimise reads |
| 15:20.42 | enouf | updatedb might make use of it, iirc |
| 15:21.18 | Ace2016_- | enouf: updatedb? why would it care when the file was last read? |
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| 15:21.20 | enouf | some/any/all databases |
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| 15:22.09 | enouf | if you can answer how would it be beneficial to optimize reads, you can answer your own question |
| 15:23.26 | Ace2016_- | enouf: does the kernel/filesystem depend on atime when defragging itself? |
| 15:23.30 | Ace2016_- | i use jfs now |
| 15:23.41 | TwistOfFate | when are we all moving to sun's zfs |
| 15:23.45 | TwistOfFate | the best filesystem in the world |
| 15:23.54 | jelly-home | mutt used atime to guess when local mail folders were last read |
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| 15:24.31 | enouf | Ace2016_-: ext2/3 defrag themselves? |
| 15:24.53 | abrotman | no |
| 15:24.54 | enouf | TwistOfFate: see btrfs - blows zfs out of the water |
| 15:25.14 | enouf | TwistOfFate: </hyperbole> |
| 15:25.39 | Ace2016_- | oh hang on, can't use atime for that, atime isn't frequency of reads |
| 15:25.42 | enouf | but due to licensing issues - zfs won't ever make it into the kernel |
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| 15:25.52 | Ace2016_- | ok so atime is pretty useless for my system, i guess i'll remove it |
| 15:26.14 | TwistOfFate | my mate abrotman has made his triumphant return. |
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| 15:30.33 | gewt | I can't get vi/vim to show a listing of files contained in an archive |
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| 15:31.01 | enouf | what kind of archive? |
| 15:31.06 | gewt | tar.gz |
| 15:31.12 | gewt | tgz and stuff |
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| 15:34.43 | the_wanderer | Has anyone encountered a problem resembling bad font kerning or bad antialiasing which also appears in images, not just in "normal" text? |
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| 15:35.40 | enouf | gewt: Patch 6.1.055 Problem: When editing a compressed file, Vim will inspect the contents to guess the filetype. Solution: Don't source scripts.vim for .Z, .gz, .bz2, .zip and .tgz files. Files: runtime/filetype.vim, runtime/plugin/gzip.vi |
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| 15:36.16 | the_wanderer | A couple of weeks ago, my Iceweasel and Icedove started displaying fonts differently, and some of them - specifically fixed-width fonts - had become very ugly in a way which seemed like bad antialiasing or bad hinting or bad kerning. |
| 15:36.20 | enouf | er s/runtime/plugin/gzip.vi/runtime/plugin/gzip.vim |
| 15:36.37 | the_wanderer | I assumed it was a font-configuration issue, and asked for help on that basis, and eventually reported a bug on that basis. |
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| 15:37.48 | the_wanderer | Just recently, I've noticed that the same effect is happening with some images, as well; I have found some images containing text which was just fine before the change, but which now appears ugly in much the same way as the other text. |
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| 15:38.24 | enouf | gewt: see file:///usr/share/vim/vim71/autoload/tar.vim |
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| 15:39.08 | the_wanderer | I've been trying to think of what I could have done which might have produced this change. I know i had updated some X-related packages, and I believe that I had also recompiled my (non-Debian-provided) video drivers in order to get working GL again, but that shouldn't have this effect. |
| 15:39.39 | mhymn | well, all i can say, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config ? |
| 15:40.00 | the_wanderer | mhymn: Done that, repeatedly. No change. Plus, wouldn't that not affect text which is pre-rendered as part of a static image? |
| 15:40.07 | gewt | i had vim70 |
| 15:40.14 | enouf | had? |
| 15:40.37 | enouf | defoma? |
| 15:40.38 | mhymn | the_wanderer: no idea |
| 15:40.42 | enouf | !defoma |
| 15:40.42 | dpkg | it has been said that defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
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| 15:41.28 | Gatonegro | Hello all. I have an iBook G4 from the late 2005 running Debian Sid, and I'd like to remap the caps_lock to control, but for some reason it is refusing to accept the control (it does lose the caps lock behavior, though). Does anybody know why, and how can I get this key to work as control? |
| 15:41.29 | the_wanderer | enouf: Checked that, too, as far as I can. No help. Not to mention, it should only affect text which is rendered from fonts on a "just in time" basis, not text which is part of a static image which was just fine before the change. |
| 15:42.01 | gewt | directory listings are neather in archlinux |
| 15:42.04 | gewt | moar organized |
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| 15:42.15 | the_wanderer | mhymn: Thanks anyway. I'm hoping someone will have a clue of where to look, but the odds are kind of slim. |
| 15:42.30 | mhymn | np ;) |
| 15:42.58 | mhymn | the_wanderer: btw, kde? gnome? ...? |
| 15:43.53 | enouf | the_wanderer: ahh .. now i see what you're saying, i'd have to say check your monitor specs/timings both through it's OSD/OSM, and it could be video driver related - sure |
| 15:43.57 | dutchfish | the_wanderer, what video card do you have, and is this 64 bit? |
| 15:44.26 | enouf | the_wanderer: specifically for LCDs , look for a 'Phase' option in the OSD |
| 15:44.47 | the_wanderer | mhymn: Neither in particular. I run Enlightenment, and random programs from whatever suits my fancy at the time. |
| 15:44.49 | enouf | the_wanderer: i can make all text fuzzy and fugly via that |
| 15:45.10 | the_wanderer | dutchfish: A GeForce 8800 GT. 32-bit system, because I misunderstood how to build a 64-bit system when I was putting it together. |
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| 15:45.43 | dutchfish | the_wanderer, ok, i have some minors but that only aplies to 64 bit |
| 15:45.51 | the_wanderer | enouf: I have a CRT, and no such menu option that I recall. I'll examine the menu more closely later on. |
| 15:46.37 | taglavni | Is there any standard for linux configruation files? under linux config files I mean: sysctl.conf, modules.conf, hosts and so on? |
| 15:46.53 | the_wanderer | enouf: Not to mention, the effect does not manifest in e.g. an xterm - nor in Pidgin, nor in gkrellm that I can see, nor so far as I can easily judge even in xchat. It's only in Iceweasel/Icedove, and (now that I've noticed it) in some images as displayed by qiv. |
| 15:46.55 | enouf | wonderful - also notice a change in the Vert refresh Hz rate? like from 120 down to 60 or anything? |
| 15:47.05 | abrotman | taglavni: no |
| 15:47.11 | the_wanderer | enouf: In the monitor settings, or the X config file, or somewhere else? |
| 15:47.35 | enouf | the_wanderer: well, you can define Hor/Vert refresh in your xorg.conf |
| 15:47.38 | taglavni | abrotman: So basically they are the same on distros becouse of common sense? |
| 15:48.01 | abrotman | taglavni: not always .. but usually .. |
| 15:48.07 | enouf | but your OSD of monitor might also show it's 'status' or 'mode' but so will say xrandr, et al |
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| 15:48.47 | taglavni | abrotman thanks |
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| 15:49.31 | enouf | the_wanderer: i won't guess what sort of fugliness is available to mess shit up with inside nvidia-settings or whatver - i've seen it one time only, and it was once too many :-P |
| 15:49.37 | the_wanderer | enouf: My xorg.conf does specify a range of HorizSync and VertRefresh, but what exact values in the ranges it's using I don't know. I also don't know how to read xrandr's output, though I could go into the documentation easily enough. |
| 15:50.06 | the_wanderer | enouf: I thought of that too, and although I hadn't done anything with nvidia-settings before the breakage, I looked at that - but I didn't see anything obviously wrng there either. |
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| 15:50.46 | the_wanderer | enouf: The monitor OSD does show "FH: 75.1KHz" and "FV: 60.2Hz", but whether that's new or old I don't know. |
| 15:50.54 | enouf | hwinfo --framebuffer , hwinfo --monitor come to mind - xrandr has an asterisk showing which mode you're in |
| 15:51.04 | dutchfish | the_wanderer, is it only iceweasel or do other browsers the same? |
| 15:51.12 | enouf | google make/model the_wanderer |
| 15:51.28 | the_wanderer | dutchfish: I don't use any other browsers other than text-mode ones, so I haven't tested. I suppose I could do that... |
| 15:51.47 | enouf | so you're at 60Hz and for a CRT - that sucks ass |
| 15:52.08 | enouf | FV == Frequency Vertical |
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| 15:52.14 | the_wanderer | enouf: I guessed. |
| 15:54.07 | the_wanderer | enouf: I know which mode I'm in, and xrandr confirms that, but I don't know the meanings of the columns other than the resolution column. |
| 15:54.17 | enouf | the_wanderer: much about xrandr can be found through following the links from /msg dpkg dual monitors .. oh, but you're using teh evilz binaty blobs |
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| 15:55.00 | the_wanderer | enouf: Unfortunately, yes. I don't remember why I got started precisely, aside from a vague idea of needing the full 3D capability, but by now I"m used to it - and it's never caused anything like this effect before. |
| 15:55.19 | enouf | the_wanderer: the other columns are vert/hor refresh rates avail at those resolutions |
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| 15:56.59 | the_wanderer | enouf: The relevant line from the xrandr output is '1600x1200 50.0* 56.0'. I don't see any indication of which value (vert./horiz.) each column is, and they don't seem to come in pairs in the other columns... |
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| 15:57.24 | enouf | omg .. 50Hz ? |
| 15:57.25 | the_wanderer | (One reason I haven't replaced this monitor, despite its deficiencies in some respects, is that it's the only 17" monitor - or at least CRT - I've ever heard of which is capable of 1600x1200.) |
| 15:57.43 | enouf | oh .. and it appears it's only Vert Hz shown, not Horizontals |
| 15:58.31 | enouf | so a line such as; 640x480 75.0 73.0 67.0 60.0 means it can do any of those 4 Hz at 640x480 resolution :-P |
| 15:58.50 | enouf | s/4 Hz/4 Hz rates |
| 15:59.32 | the_wanderer | (I'd like to replace the monitor - it's showing signs of vaguely-pending failure - but anything which looks worthwhile is also too expensive.) |
| 15:59.59 | enouf | the_wanderer: see man xorg.conf and wiki.x.org and #nvidia for more about how to setup your xorg.conf correctly |
| 16:00.21 | enouf | or .. buy a nice shiny new LCD or HDTV :-) |
| 16:00.27 | the_wanderer | enouf: I can do that, but I haven't changed it since the last time it was working right... |
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| 16:00.47 | enouf | the_wanderer: you upgraded some stuff you said |
| 16:00.56 | the_wanderer | was about to go re-run 'read-edid | parse-edid' to see if the output had changed since building the file |
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| 16:01.31 | enouf | oh .. so you DO have copies of that? but no idea what the correct Resolution nor Refresh rates are? how odd |
| 16:01.33 | the_wanderer | enouf: Some X packages, yes - but the changelogs said nothing about differences in configuration-file formats, etc., and I would expect that to need trumpeting-from-the-rooftops announcements of some sort. |
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| 16:01.44 | enouf | you type too much :-P |
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| 16:02.04 | the_wanderer | enouf: I built my current Monitor section from that output, but that was quite some time ago. |
| 16:02.04 | enouf | the_wanderer: you play with blobs, and sometimes they burn |
| 16:02.23 | the_wanderer | enouf: It's a habit. Hasn't burned me too badly so far. (The typing, I mean.) |
| 16:02.30 | enouf | there's also many other "Sections" |
| 16:02.45 | enouf | DisplaySize might also be useful - go read |
| 16:03.02 | the_wanderer | enouf: I'll re-investigate, then. |
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| 16:04.22 | the_wanderer | Hmm. The only "DisplaySize" I have in that file is in a different Monitor section, one which is not currently being used by a Screen section... |
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| 16:06.40 | jetx | what is the get-selections factoid keyname |
| 16:06.42 | lummox | Hello |
| 16:07.21 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 16:07.21 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 16:07.45 | beardy | jetx: /msg dpkg listkeys get-selections |
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| 16:07.52 | jetx | thx |
| 16:08.07 | beardy | jetx: /msg dpkg listvals get-selections |
| 16:08.17 | jetx | i did msg dpkg that |
| 16:08.18 | beardy | np |
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| 16:08.39 | abrotman | !tell jetx about debian clone |
| 16:08.44 | jetx | no i did listkeys |
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| 16:09.03 | beardy | Yes, hence why I said listvals. |
| 16:09.16 | folken | !help |
| 16:09.24 | jetx | thx... irc on pda is slow typing btw |
| 16:09.50 | abrotman | folken: ask your question |
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| 16:10.01 | jetx | but cool |
| 16:10.36 | enouf | the_wanderer: see if the issue becomes more prominent as you cycle through avail resolutions as listed in your xorg.conf using ctrl-alt-[+/-] |
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| 16:11.34 | folken | abrotman: just wanted to know who the bot was. |
| 16:12.05 | abrotman | i am the bot! |
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| 16:12.41 | jetx | no i am boticus! |
| 16:13.05 | folken | abrotman: so how does your newfound existence change your perception of the world? |
| 16:13.43 | abrotman | newfound? i'm older than you |
| 16:13.49 | simonrvn | i am the bot. *BLEEP*. |
| 16:14.25 | folken | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.38 | the_wanderer | enouf: Will test, although the Monitor section shows only one Mode... |
| 16:14.41 | jetx | be the bot |
| 16:14.44 | jelly-home | I'm not. |
| 16:14.54 | the_wanderer | enouf: FTR, get-edid | parse-edid shows no change from the current values. |
| 16:15.25 | jetx | !hwinfo |
| 16:15.25 | dpkg | it has been said that hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 16:15.51 | enouf | the_wanderer: get to know man gtf and man cvt too .. |
| 16:16.01 | the_wanderer | enouf: It doesn't get obviously worse when changing resolutions that way, but it doesn't get better either - it just gets different. |
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| 16:16.42 | enouf | the_wanderer: your CRT is about to blowup :-P |
| 16:17.24 | the_wanderer | enouf: Care to spare me the money for an LCD worth using? ^_^ |
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| 16:18.21 | enouf | the_wanderer: you should try to hook up another monitor as a test .. but you seem to say it only occurs in certain apps/utils .. but .. |
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| 16:19.14 | the_wanderer | enouf: If I can find another monitor in the household not in use, I'll try to arrange that. (Be somewhat of a pain since I know for a fact none of the others support my normal resolution, but it can be done anyway.) |
| 16:20.11 | grim | is there some way to install xorg, a specific video driver, and then the mouse and keyboard drivers, without installing xserver-xorg-{video,input}-all? I've yet to find a working combination that doesn't end up in having to remove all the drivers |
| 16:21.02 | enouf | grim: i think there are newer versions (sid? exper?) called xserver-xorg-whatever-2 |
| 16:21.03 | jelly-home | grim: you can't just install xserver-xorg and relevant drivers why? |
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| 16:21.17 | grim | enouf: i see those, it's not using them |
| 16:21.33 | enouf | "it's"? |
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| 16:21.40 | grim | jelly-home: it appears like the dependency handling is getting bunked on the | |
| 16:21.50 | grim | enouf: apt or dpkg |
| 16:22.10 | taglavni | Can I search my chat history with irssi? |
| 16:22.18 | enouf | grim: so .. you see them where? |
| 16:22.39 | lummox | Is it most probable that the fan of my laptop (Toshiba PSAE6E) is controlled by ACPI? In windows the fan speed always changed, depending on the load/temperature of the CPU. How big is the possibility that, by learning how ACPI works, I could write my own software to control the fan and what is the one to destroy the computer with ACPI? |
| 16:22.40 | enouf | taglavni: try /lastlog nickname ? |
| 16:22.59 | taglavni | enouf thanks |
| 16:23.00 | grim | enouf: in the provides for say xserver-xorg-video-vesa, xserver-xorg-input-mouse, xserver-xorg-input-kbd, as well as the depends for xserver-xorg |
| 16:23.20 | abrotman | lummox: very likely yes |
| 16:23.22 | folken | lummox: there are some toshiba utils, i think it includes a fan control tool. |
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| 16:23.27 | jelly-home | grim: which debian release? pastebin the command line and output (before accepting the solution) |
| 16:23.37 | grim | jelly-home: testing |
| 16:23.42 | enouf | there are toshiba specific kernel options as well - depending on version |
| 16:24.08 | lummox | folken, I tried "modprobe tohsiba_acpi" (or acpi_toshiba, one of them exists :D) and it said "FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device" |
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| 16:24.41 | abrotman | lummox: apt-cache search toshiba .. i think the package is toshutils |
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| 16:25.18 | lummox | the people on google who use linux are happy when the fan can be turned on and off, but that is not good enough.. sometimes when I do "make -j2", there is so much load, that my cpu gets that hot that the system shuts down |
| 16:25.26 | EugenMayer | how would i force my debian to use dnsmasq as first place to ask, instead /etc/resolf.conf? |
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| 16:25.43 | xingu | lummox: cpufreqd |
| 16:26.12 | lummox | xingu, better make fan faster, otherwise I could have bought a cheaper laptop :$ |
| 16:26.20 | grim | jelly-home: enouf: http://www.pidgin.im/nopaste/89 |
| 16:26.56 | folken | lummox: i'm glad my system manages that itself. |
| 16:27.00 | jelly-home | grim: what about aptitude? |
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| 16:27.34 | grim | jelly-home: i never use aptitude, so um, how would i do that in aptitude? |
| 16:27.41 | folken | lummox: the package i'm talking about is toshset |
| 16:27.46 | jelly-home | grim: replace apt-get with aptitude |
| 16:27.55 | lummox | abrotman, folken: I could install "toshset" but toshset needs the kernel module to be loasded. The module doesnt want to be loaded though, "...pi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device" |
| 16:28.10 | abrotman | lummox: uname -a .. which kernel ? |
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| 16:28.26 | lummox | "Linux rechnername 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 17:25:36 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 16:28.39 | grim | jelly-home: that looks much better, so i assume apt is having issues with it? |
| 16:28.45 | simonrvn | could be that it's occupied by another module, or it doesn't have the itnerface it needs.. |
| 16:29.16 | abrotman | lummox: i have it here in multiple kernels |
| 16:29.47 | lummox | abrotman, but you have a different laptop.. maybe the toshiba_Acpi kernel module does not work with my toshiba computer |
| 16:29.51 | abrotman | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 16:30.01 | lummox | it is there but it cannot be loaded |
| 16:30.02 | abrotman | says it's there |
| 16:30.27 | jelly-home | grim: the algorythms used are slightly different; it's not unusual to find a case where apt-get does better, but aptitude is usually preferred |
| 16:30.29 | lummox | "FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device" |
| 16:30.46 | the_wanderer | Okay - get-edid | parse-edid, cvt, and gtf all report slightly different values for 1600x1200 @60Hz (that being the only mode the EDID tools seem to report). Given that the EDID values are allegedly based on hardware capabilities probing, and the others aren't, how likely is it to be unsafe to use the others? |
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| 16:30.54 | jelly-home | grim: you could file a bug on apt, I guess |
| 16:30.57 | wipple | "Couldn't find package sun-java6-jre" |
| 16:30.58 | wipple | wtf? |
| 16:31.06 | grim | jelly-home: i'm looking for an existing right now |
| 16:31.08 | wipple | how do i install it? |
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| 16:31.11 | abrotman | wipple: which vresion of debian ? |
| 16:31.14 | wipple | 4.0 |
| 16:31.20 | abrotman | try sun-java5-jre |
| 16:31.24 | wipple | tried it |
| 16:31.27 | wipple | tried both |
| 16:31.32 | abrotman | do you have non-free sources? are you on i386 ? |
| 16:31.44 | wipple | nope, not as far as i know. why owuld i need to enable those? |
| 16:31.53 | abrotman | because when etch was released, java was non-free |
| 16:32.17 | wipple | ok, no idea why non-free wouldn't be enabled by default. pretty illogical. but how do i enable it? |
| 16:32.25 | abrotman | !tell wipple about contrib |
| 16:32.27 | the_wanderer | abrotman: It isn't still? I know sun-java6-jre is still in non-free in sid, at least as of a couple of days ago. |
| 16:32.28 | abrotman | !tell wipple about non-free |
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| 16:32.40 | abrotman | the_wanderer: *when etch was released* |
| 16:33.03 | the_wanderer | abrotman: Yes, I know. That seems to imply that it was then but isn't anymore. As far as I know it still is. |
| 16:33.08 | abrotman | the_wanderer: use icedtea now |
| 16:33.22 | wipple | how do i enable "non-free" then? |
| 16:33.24 | thechef | I created a filesystem volume and it has the name "untitled". How can I rename it? |
| 16:33.31 | abrotman | wipple: you edit your sources.list and add it |
| 16:33.40 | wipple | where is sources.list? |
| 16:33.46 | abrotman | !tell wipple about sources.list |
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| 16:34.08 | mhymn | thechef: e2label ? |
| 16:34.18 | wipple | way to manipulate people into using 100% open source |
| 16:34.27 | wipple | by not enabling non-free by default |
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| 16:34.40 | jelly-home | wipple: manipulate? |
| 16:34.42 | abrotman | you could choose another distro if you prefer |
| 16:34.48 | asg | wipple: feel free not to use debian if you wish |
| 16:34.58 | wipple | yes, well that's what about 85% of debian users have done, abrotman. |
| 16:35.04 | wipple | ubuntu is raping you guys. |
| 16:35.08 | abrotman | wipple: good .. then go join them |
| 16:35.26 | abrotman | seems we get the intelligent users though .. |
| 16:35.34 | jelly-home | *cough* |
| 16:35.35 | mhymn | :) |
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| 16:38.18 | thechef | mhymn: is there a generic tool for all filesystem types that support volume naming/labeling? |
| 16:38.36 | mhymn | dunno |
| 16:39.22 | codingrobot | parted may be ... |
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| 16:40.08 | grim | jelly-home: bug 435662 already says as much (for my bug) |
| 16:40.30 | jelly-home | "me too" |
| 16:40.31 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 16:40.40 | thechef | mhymn: In my case I need to rename a hfs volume |
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| 16:44.15 | adb | Apple 's hfs ? |
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| 16:45.41 | simonrvn | 85%? how can you possibly back that statement up? *rolls eyes* |
| 16:45.48 | thechef | adb: yes |
| 16:45.55 | thechef | hfs+ |
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| 16:46.27 | adb | so, ask #Apple |
| 16:47.13 | abrotman | simonrvn: cause i would believe 82.57% |
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| 16:47.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 16:50.45 | d-b | non-free enabled by default ? rofl |
| 16:50.49 | d-b | never. |
| 16:51.45 | Manolete24 | Hi. I'm trying to install a Debian on my PC. I'm using the same CD I used a couple of weeks ago, but now I'm not able to, because I get an "user root uknown in stateoverride" error while trying to execute a chroot installation of base-files_4.0.5.deb... !? |
| 16:51.48 | d-b | duks under bsd kernel |
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| 16:53.45 | mordy | ok, what am i doing wrong here? awk '{ print $4 }' < /usr/sbin/hddtemp /dev/sda - i get a 'cannot open file /dev/sda for reading' |
| 16:54.12 | adb | try sda1* |
| 16:54.14 | adb | ? |
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| 16:54.33 | mordy | that's not the problem - hddtemp /dev/sda works fine |
| 16:54.44 | mordy | maybe it's something with permissions, but it works when i do it without awk |
| 16:55.52 | mordy | i'm guessing i'm not using syntax correctly, it's trying to read the device itself, i don't want that |
| 16:57.00 | Manolete24 | I'd appreciate any suggestion. |
| 16:57.01 | mordy | ahh, it works when i do /usr/sbin/hddtemp /dev/sda | awk '{print $4}' |
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| 17:01.27 | Manolete24 | Oh, c'mon, please! |
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| 17:02.06 | abrotman | Manolete24: happened more than once ? |
| 17:02.10 | SnoFox | Question. It's not Debian specific, but I have no where else to ask. Can I buy -any- two SDRAM sticks and stick them in an 8 year old computer? |
| 17:02.21 | Manolete24 | abrotman: twice. But "today". |
| 17:02.34 | abrotman | not "yesterday" ? |
| 17:02.36 | Manolete24 | I mean, I succesfully installed it some weeks ago. |
| 17:02.46 | Manolete24 | I have used the same CD. |
| 17:02.49 | Manolete24 | It's the same PC... |
| 17:02.54 | Manolete24 | but, different result: error. |
| 17:03.32 | Manolete24 | And I don't understand why it doesn't recognise the user "root" :-S |
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| 17:03.42 | abrotman | are you doing a new install? or something else ? |
| 17:03.52 | Manolete24 | Just a new clean install. |
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| 17:04.37 | Manolete24 | The only difference is that the first time my HD was "virgin", not it has partitions made. But I mark the / to format. |
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| 17:05.20 | abrotman | that should be enough |
| 17:05.24 | abrotman | you're using lenny or etch ? |
| 17:05.32 | Manolete24 | Lenny testing. |
| 17:06.14 | lummox | The ACPI documentation is over 600 pages long. I will never finish it and make my fan work better. |
| 17:06.25 | Manolete24 | I know, it's a "testing" version. But I wouldn't be here if it hadn't work the first time... |
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| 17:09.52 | jelly-home | SnoFox: ask ##hardware; figure out the motherboard model and look up the supported RAM type |
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| 17:10.57 | Gecko | Hey, quick question: Does debian keep a file over what network interface maps to which mac address? |
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| 17:12.34 | jelly-home | !tell Gecko -about z25 |
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| 17:13.23 | zzz | Hi! Is it implemented the -i switcher of dchroot in debian sarge, or only on debian etch? |
| 17:14.03 | Gecko | jelly-home: thanks :) |
| 17:15.01 | zzz | So i' ve a debootstrapped system on sarge, but when i try to launch this: dchroot -c chroot_name ls, i always get this error: /bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file . |
| 17:15.50 | \amethyst | zzz: what does file chroot_name/bin/ls say? is it the right architecture? |
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| 17:16.28 | zzz | both, the host, and the chrooted archtecture should be i386, but i check it. |
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| 17:18.39 | zzz | \amethyst: yes, both of them look 80386. : http://rafb.net/p/Eoq5g957.html |
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| 17:20.54 | adb | !sarge |
| 17:20.54 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Now removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ |
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| 17:21.50 | adb | zzz: ^^^ |
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| 17:22.23 | zzz | adb: yes, i know, but this system cannot be upgraded because of some special program. |
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| 17:22.37 | zzz | \amethyst: Do You have any idea what could go wrong? |
| 17:22.45 | folken | navit - car navigation software rocks. |
| 17:22.50 | simonrvn | i bet he has that mounted noexec |
| 17:23.00 | \amethyst | zzz: only other thing I can think of is a problem with chroot/lib/ld.so |
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| 17:23.45 | \amethyst | simonrvn: I thought that gave EACCES not ENOEXEC |
| 17:23.49 | zzz | \amethyst: Is it a problem, that this file doesn' t exist? :- ). |
| 17:24.08 | \amethyst | zzz: yes, that's the program responsible for loading executables and their shared libraries |
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| 17:24.16 | zzz | Actually i' ve these files instead of ld.so: ld-2.3.6.so , ld-linux.so.2 . |
| 17:24.24 | \amethyst | zzz: oh right |
| 17:24.32 | \amethyst | zzz: sorry, ld-linux.so.2 is correct |
| 17:24.43 | simonrvn | i've seen that for noexec mounted things... though the other reason is also possible |
| 17:25.15 | \amethyst | zzz: I forgot ld.so was for old-format binaries |
| 17:25.41 | \amethyst | zzz: and ld-linux.so.2 is a symlink to ld-2.3.6.so ? |
| 17:26.15 | zzz | yes, it' s right, id-linux.so.2 is a symlink. |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | Doom OS! |
| 17:27.00 | abrotman | why does zzz have 2.3.6 ? |
| 17:27.08 | zzz | simonrvn: mount says: proc on /proc type proc (rw) ; sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) . |
| 17:27.20 | abrotman | let me rephrase |
| 17:27.24 | abrotman | why does zzz have 2.3.6 on a sarge box? |
| 17:28.03 | zzz | abrotman: because i' m stupid... . The debootstrapped system is certainly etch instead of sarge. Sorry. |
| 17:28.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:28.25 | abrotman | just checking! |
| 17:28.45 | zzz | sorry for mystifying. |
| 17:28.56 | simonrvn | zzz: 'k, so it's a debootstrap. i meant `mount', or cat /proc/mounts |
| 17:29.02 | zzz | abrotman: no, you' re right, i mistyped an important fact. |
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| 17:29.16 | abrotman | oh .. he's mystical! |
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| 17:30.06 | zzz | simonrvn: oh, on the host system? Wow, it' s really only (rw), i make it executable. |
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| 17:31.55 | simonrvn | np then. so it's a lib issue, like \amethyst said |
| 17:32.21 | simonrvn | sometimes i should just STFU :) |
| 17:32.34 | ahi | hI! |
| 17:32.36 | zzz | simonrvn: well, i created a simply bash file, and i could run it as ./test.sh , so i think it has got executable options, however mount doesn' t tell it to me. |
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| 17:32.58 | ahi | is there anyone that uses perlbox-voice and/or sphinx2? |
| 17:34.44 | zzz | oh, oh, simonrvn \amethyst . Can be the problem, that this debootstrap was made on an etch system, and after that it was copied? |
| 17:35.28 | \amethyst | zzz: how was it copied? were permissions preserved? |
| 17:35.33 | \amethyst | zzz: was it copied as root? |
| 17:35.43 | \amethyst | eep, gtg |
| 17:35.49 | avu | zzz, you could also use debsum to check if the files were corrupted in the process |
| 17:35.54 | zzz | tar + ssh. no, tar was made by root, copied through as, and decompressed as root. |
| 17:36.05 | avu | and you used tar with -p? |
| 17:36.20 | zzz | avu: no, with cjfv |
| 17:37.08 | avu | I mean when extracting |
| 17:37.21 | zzz | Actually my problem was, that - since sarge is oldstable - i couldn' t make a sid debootstrap, |
| 17:37.24 | avu | but when you did it as root, it's ok anyway |
| 17:37.50 | zzz | so for debootstrap sid sid url i got this error: I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sid_Release , E: Failed getting release file ftp://ftp.debian.org/etch/dists/sid/Release . |
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| 17:37.58 | lummox | portmap was listening on 0.0.0.0, I set it to 127.0.0.1 using /etc/default/portmap, restarted portmap and it now listens on 127.0.0.1 like I wished. Was it ok to edit the listening IP-Address? |
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| 17:38.01 | avu | (sorry lagging a bit behind with my reading ;)) |
| 17:38.36 | zzz | for etch this error: E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch . |
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| 17:46.33 | adb | /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/sarge |
| 17:47.05 | adb | zzz: ^^^ |
| 17:47.28 | okidoki1 | hi, i'm a Debian user for 8 months. My opinions about Debian are: it's rock solid as told and educative for an engineering student as me. Now i'm a fan of Debian. |
| 17:47.56 | okidoki1 | how to join the debian community. |
| 17:47.57 | zzz | adb: bat me it' s under /usr/lib/deb... |
| 17:48.12 | adb | wrong place |
| 17:48.46 | zzz | adb: hm? |
| 17:48.55 | adb | locate debootstrap |
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| 17:49.57 | cahoot | okidoki1: try read on debian.org |
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| 17:53.48 | zzz | adb: no, at me it' s under /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ . |
| 17:53.54 | abrotman | okidoki1: as a DD ? |
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| 18:00.37 | okidoki1 | abortman: as a DD? may be soon. but now i want to help as a volunteer. i'm new on this. where to start? |
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| 18:01.07 | abrotman | okidoki1: it depends what you want to do .. you can fix bugs, do documentation .. all kinds of sutff |
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| 18:04.12 | mhymn | http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
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| 18:08.13 | chfwiggum | !sound |
| 18:08.14 | dpkg | from memory, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. |
| 18:08.54 | chfwiggum | !audio > chfwiggum |
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| 18:09.20 | mhymn | !tell chfwiggum -about msg the bot |
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| 18:09.27 | chfwiggum | :) thx |
| 18:09.31 | cahoot | chfwiggum: just insall alsa-utils and run speaker-test -t wav |
| 18:09.32 | mhymn | ;) |
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| 18:11.15 | wubrgamer | hey gus |
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| 18:11.40 | wubrgamer | *hey guys, is it possible to just "pop in a CD" and do an installation entirely oveR SSH, i.e. on a headless system? |
| 18:11.59 | wubrgamer | and where could I find instructions for doing that? |
| 18:12.23 | petemc | wubrgamer: there should be info about debian installers net console |
| 18:12.31 | wubrgamer | where? |
| 18:12.37 | petemc | the internet! |
| 18:12.40 | abrotman | !ttell wubrgamer about ssh install |
| 18:13.19 | mhymn | !ttell |
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| 18:13.29 | mhymn | :P |
| 18:14.06 | wubrgamer | !tell wubrgamer about ssh install |
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| 18:15.28 | project2501a | hi |
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| 18:15.39 | aiuw | http://pastie.org/344397 |
| 18:16.14 | project2501a | i created a function in bash, which returns $CHILDREN . how do i catch the returned value? rvalue = function_call ? or function_call > out_to_some_file? i haven't been able to find anything in the relevant o'reilly book or the web. |
| 18:17.59 | abrotman | project2501a: #bash please |
| 18:18.09 | project2501a | oh. thanks! :D |
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| 18:20.28 | aiuw | http://pastie.org/344397 - obviously the config files need to be re-installed, but it's not doing it |
| 18:20.55 | abrotman | !tell aiuw about confmiss |
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| 18:22.05 | aiuw | abrotman, same thing as previously: http://pastie.org/344400 |
| 18:22.09 | mhymn | aiuw: you may want to try purging and then installing again |
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| 18:22.39 | aiuw | mhymn, I've done so, (apt-get install --purge lighttpd) |
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| 18:23.28 | aiuw | Ah, I got it |
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| 18:24.11 | aiuw | Thanks |
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| 18:25.13 | stoned | intall --purge? |
| 18:25.19 | stoned | uhm.. what? |
| 18:25.32 | aiuw | I fail at typing... |
| 18:25.33 | aiuw | apt-get --purge remove lighttpd ; aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install lighttpd |
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| 18:28.17 | stoned | O freddled gruntbuggly |
| 18:28.29 | stoned | Thy micturations are tome as lurdled gabbleblochits |
| 18:28.33 | stoned | on a lurgid bee... |
| 18:28.46 | jelly-home | puts stoned out the airlock |
| 18:28.51 | stoned | lol |
| 18:29.24 | stoned | finally |
| 18:29.44 | jelly-home | See if I don't. |
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| 18:30.14 | mhymn | aiuw: since you're here now, it would be a good idea to do: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 18:30.28 | abrotman | why aptitude ? |
| 18:30.48 | mhymn | ? |
| 18:31.08 | stoned | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html <-- |
| 18:31.43 | stoned | stupid apt-get |
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| 18:31.56 | stoned | kicks apt-get in da nuts |
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| 18:32.28 | stoned | What is this aptitude thing, anyway? |
| 18:32.30 | stoned | aptitude is a featureful package manager for Debian GNU/Linux systems, based on the renowned apt package management infrastructure. aptitude provides the functionality of dselect and apt-get, as well as many additional features not found in either program. |
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| 18:33.29 | mhymn | considered pdo! |
| 18:33.53 | Supaplex | dpkg: ping |
| 18:33.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:34.11 | jelly-home | dpkg: ding |
| 18:34.12 | dpkg | well, ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 18:34.13 | stoned | oh pdo like packaged debian org |
| 18:34.19 | jelly-home | meh. |
| 18:34.28 | stoned | packages |
| 18:34.40 | stoned | jelly-home, btw, what flavor jelly do you like? |
| 18:34.53 | jelly-home | doesn't eat jelly |
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| 18:35.02 | KaiSVK | hi all, I have new machine an Debian AMD64 would be suitable I think but I have had allways problems with 64bit linux :( flash, java etc... so what is the situation after some year I last tried the 64 bit? other question is ... so I install 64bit debian, then I would like to use wine and run 32bit Win Apps, is it possible? :) what are your general experiences with 64bit debian? |
| 18:35.02 | stoned | not even on toast? |
| 18:35.08 | dacer | hi, I was installing debian on a machine with windows vista, and I have to cancel installation (this was on a partition, so vista run fine). Now when computer boot, windows vista ask me to boot windows or "debian installer", how can I set vista to boot only with vista (delete debian installer option) |
| 18:35.13 | stoned | I like grape jelly on pita brread! |
| 18:35.31 | stoned | dacer, ##windows .. ask about boot.ini |
| 18:35.33 | Supaplex | dacer: c:\debian run the uninstaller |
| 18:36.09 | Supaplex | dacer: or, run the installer, and uninstall this part later |
| 18:36.22 | dacer | Supaplex, ok thank!!! |
| 18:36.35 | dacer | stoned, thanks too |
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| 18:37.15 | dacer | Is there any problem to install debian on a "logical partition"? |
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| 18:37.34 | jackweb | Hello. |
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| 18:37.45 | adb | dacer: NO |
| 18:37.56 | robyonrails | dacer, why do you think that? |
| 18:38.05 | dacer | ok I think so, but was not sure |
| 18:38.36 | mhymn | KaiSVK: how much ram do you have? |
| 18:38.47 | dacer | robyonrails, because, some system, have problem with it (ej:windows) and I was never try it before |
| 18:38.49 | jackweb | How many MBs on my hard disk have I to have to install Debian (minimal version - without X)? |
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| 18:39.01 | mhymn | KaiSVK: actually i mean you're system! |
| 18:40.04 | adb | jackweb: ~ <<1 Gb |
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| 18:40.22 | xoz_ | jackweb: 3GB ideally |
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| 18:40.29 | jackweb | without xserver? |
| 18:40.41 | chfwiggum | k, how do i list all groups existing on my machine? i assigned one user to one group but removed him from all the other groups :( . tia |
| 18:40.45 | KaiSVK | mhymn: 4GB |
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| 18:41.23 | jackweb | I thought about installing Linux on partition with space 256 free MBs |
| 18:41.28 | jackweb | so Debian isn't good for it |
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| 18:41.39 | jackweb | I thought only! :) |
| 18:41.40 | jelly-home | chfwiggum: getent group |
| 18:42.09 | chfwiggum | jelly-home: thx a lot |
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| 18:42.33 | stoned | !mmhr |
| 18:42.33 | dpkg | mmhr is, like, Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 18:42.36 | jelly-home | chfwiggum: use "adduser user group" syntax instead of useradd |
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| 18:42.48 | stoned | jackweb, ^ |
| 18:42.59 | chfwiggum | jelly-home: thx |
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| 18:44.10 | jackweb | stoned: thanks, I'm reading |
| 18:44.28 | chomwitt | installind lenny i come to a choice presented between linux-image-2.6-amd64 linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64. what's the difference? |
| 18:45.19 | mhymn | KaiSVK: well, iirc you can use i386 port as well, try that with latest kernel though |
| 18:45.20 | adb | jackweb: but how much Ram pc have ? |
| 18:45.26 | abrotman | chomwitt: take the first |
| 18:45.27 | jackweb | 256MB |
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| 18:45.48 | stoned | its perfect |
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| 18:45.55 | stoned | you can run debian with 64mb ram even |
| 18:45.57 | stoned | :/ |
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| 18:46.15 | jackweb | DSL need 50MB and has xserver |
| 18:46.29 | stoned | so use dsl |
| 18:46.38 | chomwitt | abrotman: why? |
| 18:46.50 | jackweb | let me see... what does spend in Debian so much free space? |
| 18:46.56 | abrotman | chomwitt: it's a metapackage .. you asked .. i told oyu which one |
| 18:46.57 | jabis | goddamn I installed and tweaked the wrong image, and now I'm stuck on x86 system running on 64 bit processor embarassed |
| 18:47.22 | stoned | I use both, amd64 and x86 |
| 18:47.36 | stoned | both cpus are 64bit |
| 18:47.38 | Supaplex | jackweb: why does dsl waste so much disk space when dos 3.3 only uses a fraction of a 1.44mb floppy? |
| 18:47.52 | stoned | jackweb, don't pay attention to Supaplex |
| 18:47.56 | chomwitt | abrotman: ok. thanks. |
| 18:48.04 | stoned | jackweb, stupid argument. |
| 18:48.10 | Supaplex | because they're different, that's why. |
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| 18:48.33 | stoned | jackweb, dependencies. extra libs, extra drivers, larger kernel image due to pacakged drivers |
| 18:48.46 | jackweb | hm... |
| 18:48.47 | stoned | jackweb, various reasons why dsl is lot smaller thand ebian bare |
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| 18:49.14 | stoned | jackweb, if you have an old system, it makes sense to use dsl, if you have enough disk space you can easily install debian |
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| 18:49.20 | stoned | jackweb, your ram amount is sufficient |
| 18:49.33 | jackweb | hmm.. |
| 18:49.35 | jabis | stoned, the difference is huge, from what I can tell, especially komparing window managers resource usage and such |
| 18:49.56 | stoned | jabis, amd64 requries more ram |
| 18:50.09 | stoned | jabis, do you know why? |
| 18:50.10 | abrotman | doesn't "require" |
| 18:50.23 | stoned | abrotman, otherwise you cache and swap |
| 18:50.28 | jackweb | I can always buy a larger hard disk. :) |
| 18:50.32 | jackweb | and then install Debian |
| 18:50.35 | jackweb | Debian++ |
| 18:50.40 | abrotman | stoned: it uses .. not requires |
| 18:50.56 | stoned | I meant require in a non uhm.. requried way |
| 18:51.03 | magyar | hi running whois in etch I get the following "Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program." On lenny it works fine |
| 18:51.09 | stoned | abrotman, you know what I meant |
| 18:51.23 | abrotman | i did .. he may not have |
| 18:51.59 | jabis | stoned, no biggie, I've got plenty of ram to share ^^ |
| 18:52.43 | stoned | ababababird bird bird, the bird is the word! |
| 18:52.50 | stoned | jabis, how much? |
| 18:53.00 | jackweb | I'm leaving, bye |
| 18:53.01 | jabis | 4gb |
| 18:53.02 | stoned | jabis, I've 4GB, with two slots dead |
| 18:53.05 | jackweb | thanks :) |
| 18:53.09 | stoned | 2x2gb dimms |
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| 18:53.19 | stoned | I will replace my mobo, and buy 4more gb |
| 18:53.23 | jabis | and another batch waiting for a new mobo |
| 18:53.36 | jabis | lol similar setup |
| 18:53.41 | stoned | is i7 gonna be amd64 or x86 |
| 18:53.47 | stoned | its gonna have both or what? |
| 18:54.01 | stoned | I was reading on wikipedia and it says its a x86_64 so thats good |
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| 18:54.49 | stoned | fsb is gone in i7 hmm damn |
| 18:56.12 | stoned | mmm sugar cookies! c'mon people |
| 18:56.15 | stoned | chat about debian! |
| 18:56.16 | stoned | hurry |
| 18:57.46 | stoned | dpkg hi |
| 18:57.46 | dpkg | bonjour |
| 18:57.51 | stoned | dpkg, whats up |
| 18:57.51 | dpkg | nothing much mate, you ? |
| 18:57.58 | stoned | dpkg, bored |
| 18:57.58 | dpkg | stoned: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 18:58.05 | stoned | stfu. |
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| 18:58.35 | stoned | ababababird bird bird, the bird is the word! |
| 18:59.49 | mark____ | hey, can somebody tell me the roughly size of a minimal debian installation with samba and some wlan stuff? |
| 19:00.01 | stoned | !mmhr |
| 19:00.02 | dpkg | i heard mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 19:00.29 | stoned | mark____, ontop of it, take the samba package size, multiply it by 3 |
| 19:00.33 | stoned | add it |
| 19:00.36 | jelly-home | mark____: 300-500MB? |
| 19:01.00 | stoned | debian packagkes are compresed on an average ratio of 3:1 or as much as 4:1 |
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| 19:01.16 | mark____ | okay thank you guys |
| 19:01.24 | stoned | mark____, easily about half a gig to a gig |
| 19:01.29 | mark____ | geeh rip it down to 48mb nice |
| 19:01.31 | stoned | depending on what you want |
| 19:01.42 | mark____ | but this isnt very functional i think :D |
| 19:01.47 | stoned | base install is about 35-400mb |
| 19:01.51 | stoned | 350* |
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| 19:02.27 | codingrobot | 500mb is more than enough for base system and samba |
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| 19:03.42 | lfaraone | Does anybody know how I can reconfigure a tty that was scaled to be larger than the screen i debian? |
| 19:03.46 | lfaraone | *in |
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| 19:04.26 | jelly-home | lfaraone: stty rows YY columns XX ? |
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| 19:05.05 | Bert_2 | Hi, can someone help me check whether my dante proxy server is working or not ? |
| 19:05.07 | jabis | goddamn, another reboot,, hmm isn't it update-rc.d -f kdm remove what disables the window manager login? |
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| 19:06.55 | stoned | uh no |
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| 19:07.02 | stoned | aptitude remove kdm |
| 19:07.04 | stoned | :/ |
| 19:07.27 | tminos | that uninstalls it, he may want to keep it but disable it |
| 19:07.42 | jabis | I don't want to permanently remove kdm, just inhibit graphic login |
| 19:07.43 | jimpy | jelly-home: out of intrest whats the default for that? |
| 19:08.20 | jimpy | jabis: whats the difference? |
| 19:08.22 | jabis | need to compile some graphic drivers and stuff, so don't want X sessions for the next reboot |
| 19:08.24 | jelly-home | jimpy: the actual terminal size would be a useful default |
| 19:08.43 | jabis | jimpy, X vs Console = difference |
| 19:09.11 | jabis | when I've completed the installations, I can just startx and fire kdm away :) |
| 19:09.22 | jimpy | jabis: i know but if you wanted to disable it you may aswell uninstall it |
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| 19:09.53 | jabis | jimpy, and remove my desktop environments for only a graphic driver update - I think not |
| 19:10.30 | jimpy | ah so its not a permanent thing |
| 19:10.52 | jabis | yeah, that's why I referred "for the next reboot" :) |
| 19:10.54 | [evilgenius101] | headers for 2.6.26.3 don't exist , is it ok to downgrade kernel to 2.6.18 |
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| 19:11.36 | jabis | download the kernel sources and recompile, if you want the headers for that kernel |
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| 19:11.47 | abrotman | [evilgenius101]: where did you get your kernel? |
| 19:11.52 | jimpy | boot in to a lower runlevel? |
| 19:11.58 | jimpy | 2 maby |
| 19:12.02 | [evilgenius101] | its a server, came pre-installed |
| 19:12.16 | [evilgenius101] | im not too good in kernel things never compiled one |
| 19:12.30 | newsense | jabis, remove the service from startup by changing the link name in etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 19:12.51 | newsense | S to K |
| 19:12.53 | [evilgenius101] | i got remote access (SSH & VNC) |
| 19:12.54 | jabis | newsense, hence I asked update-rc.d -f remove kdm |
| 19:13.04 | abrotman | [evilgenius101]: uname -a |
| 19:13.14 | jabis | uh oh, it's -f kdm remove |
| 19:13.41 | jabis | see you in a bit, trying -> |
| 19:13.43 | [evilgenius101] | Linux <ip> 2.6.26.3 #1 SMP <Date and Time> i686 GNU / Linux (Its debian) |
| 19:13.44 | newsense | yeah or use sysv-rc-config |
| 19:13.53 | jelly-home | [evilgenius101]: your provider might have put that kernel there for a reason. what are you really trying to do? |
| 19:13.55 | newsense | err sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:14.07 | [evilgenius101] | well Vmware / Virtualbox don't work |
| 19:14.09 | newsense | has checkboxes for all services and runlevels |
| 19:14.22 | [evilgenius101] | they both need headers.. |
| 19:14.34 | Bert_2 | does anyone know something about how to configure socks (sockd.conf) ? |
| 19:15.07 | jabis | prolly updated the kernel using a .deb package so it's without headers |
| 19:15.13 | jelly-home | [evilgenius101]: is there anything kernel-tree-like in /usr/src? |
| 19:15.52 | [evilgenius101] | linux open-vm.tar.bz2 rpm vboxdrv-2.1.0 vboxnetflt-2.1.0 |
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| 19:16.46 | [evilgenius101] | ls -l in that folder says that linux is headers for 2.6.26.3 |
| 19:16.54 | [evilgenius101] | its got no extension |
| 19:17.44 | [evilgenius101] | ah nvm, its a shortcut |
| 19:18.07 | jelly-home | [evilgenius101]: ls -ld /usr/src/linux |
| 19:18.09 | [evilgenius101] | its target is missing which is linux-headers-2.6.26.3 |
| 19:18.50 | jelly-home | [evilgenius101]: ask your provider for the missing headers package |
| 19:19.03 | [evilgenius101] | would they have it? |
| 19:19.21 | [evilgenius101] | i mean shouldn't it be just out there |
| 19:19.37 | jelly-home | out where? that kernel is not a Debian kernel. |
| 19:20.10 | [evilgenius101] | ah man.. is it ok if i just down to 2.6.18 ? |
| 19:20.26 | jelly-home | it might not work at all |
| 19:20.30 | [evilgenius101] | which is the debian one (according to their site for etch) |
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| 19:23.44 | [evilgenius101] | ok thanks for the tip emailed them .... |
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| 19:26.31 | [evilgenius101] | whats this pacakge linux-kernel-headers |
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| 19:28.17 | [evilgenius101] | can someone tell me whats this pacakge linux-kernel-headers |
| 19:28.50 | [evilgenius101] | !linux-kernel-headers |
| 19:28.50 | dpkg | A new (Nov. 2003) package in sid. It was split apart from libc6-dev. You've ALWAYS had these kernel headers on your system; you just never bothered to notice. The "kernel-headers-*" package that matches your running kernel is used to build kernel modules. The "linux-kernel-headers" are used when compiling userspace programs. It's not a bug. You *DO* need them. Don't try to delete them. Ask me about "kernel headers" too. |
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| 19:30.16 | Bert_2 | how can I check from the command line whether connecting to my socks server works ? |
| 19:30.47 | magyar | hi running whois in etch I get the following "Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program." On lenny it works fine |
| 19:31.29 | petemc | magyar: that seems pretty clear to me |
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| 19:31.43 | lfaraone | Does anybody know how I can reconfigure a tty that was scaled to be larger than display in debian? |
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| 19:32.22 | petemc | lfaraone: what jelly said, or use the inverse of what you did to make it large |
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| 19:34.43 | tobias | how do i find the nameservers responsible for reverse lookups on a given ip block? i thought it might be in whois, but i don't see it |
| 19:34.59 | lfaraone | petemc: I have no idea what it is supposed to be. And it was set that way by debian-installer |
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| 19:35.54 | newsense | tobias, maybe nslookup |
| 19:36.01 | petemc | tobias: the AUTHORITY SECTION of dig -x |
| 19:36.27 | magyar | petemc: how does a dns lookup application gets old? |
| 19:37.36 | magyar | petemc: I have 8 years old mandrake 8.2 that still able to resolve |
| 19:37.53 | tobias | petemc: thx! |
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| 19:38.45 | newsense | heh guess dig is newer than nslookup , been a while since i worked with dns |
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| 19:39.54 | petemc | magyar: im not sure that dns and whois are the same, but either way, its obvious a more recent version of the whois program works.. |
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| 19:41.09 | magyar | petemc: its a bit confusing never the less that an 8 years old os still resolves and a three years old need to get upgrated |
| 19:41.44 | sparr | When I change resolution to 800x600/52.0 my monitor reports "Over Range" and goes into power save mode. 1024x768/51.0 and 1280x1024/50.0 and 800x600/70.0 and work fine. Why would 800x600/52.0 be unacceptable? And, given that it is, how can I remove it from the list of valid modes, or at least make it not the default when an application requests 800x600? |
| 19:42.32 | petemc | magyar: it would be more confusing if the 8 year old machine had a version of whois that worked, seeing as thats where your problem ids |
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| 19:45.22 | magyar | petemc: it seems to be a bug that remains unresolved "http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/260032577ceed69d" |
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| 19:46.01 | petemc | you said it works on lenny.. |
| 19:46.38 | magyar | petemc: yeap, also works in Mandrake 8.2 (released 2002) |
| 19:46.54 | magyar | etch on the other hand doesnt |
| 19:47.00 | flixil | when i use aptitude download package how can i make aptitude to download all the dependencies? (even if i have them installed in my current system)? |
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| 19:47.34 | magyar | petemc: whois 116.10.195.218 |
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| 19:49.00 | petemc | magyar: im sure you're quite pleased it works on lenny tho.. |
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| 19:50.45 | magyar | petemc: eheehe, ecstatic -_- , altough I have a bunch of etch DNS servers and this is kind of odd that a simple whois breaks |
| 19:51.05 | magyar | and the bug goes ignored |
| 19:51.33 | mordy | i''m having trouble switching virtual terminals when using x |
| 19:51.45 | petemc | doesnt look ignored, the chap says "So do it FFS. |
| 19:52.00 | petemc | which would be my attitude as well |
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| 19:54.51 | mordy | can't see anything in the logs either |
| 19:54.52 | mordy | :| |
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| 19:56.17 | magyar | petemc: right, the op replied, that he has (volatile, backports) but to no avil |
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| 19:57.46 | petemc | so find some other way to upgrade it, if its that important to you |
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| 20:00.54 | bolt | How can xorg fail to load module "via" when I have xserver-xorg-video-via installed? (lenny) |
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| 20:01.19 | bolt | "Failed to load module "via" (module does not exist, 0)" |
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| 20:06.03 | tonsofpcs | stoned: no. |
| 20:06.05 | tonsofpcs | ;) |
| 20:06.11 | tonsofpcs | :-p |
| 20:06.15 | stoned | hi |
| 20:06.26 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:09.11 | magyar | petemc: it seems one needs to build from source. |
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| 20:09.39 | petemc | magyar: you could try to backport lennys version |
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| 20:10.52 | javaforamd64 | I am trying to follow the instructions to install icedtea in amd64 in http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/DebianBuildingInstructions#Backport_zlib but my system is amd64 and I still get the error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s can anyone help? |
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| 20:11.14 | javaforamd64 | how can I get rid of this nasty error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s |
| 20:11.18 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: I take it you're using etch? |
| 20:11.38 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: yes etch, trying to backport |
| 20:11.58 | JordiGH | I suppose the simple sid backport doesn't work? |
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| 20:12.33 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: no sadly not, due to this -lgcc_s error, but in http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/DebianBuildingInstructions#Backport_zlib they say their instructions eliminate this error |
| 20:13.06 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: the problem is the patch they give does not apply to the source |
| 20:13.07 | _AleX_ | hi all ... i've a not Debian specific question, but i need help : i've many ps files, and i want to merge these files in a single ps page (like a2ps with -6 ou -8 mini-pages per page). how to do that on my Debian (in cmdline of course) ? |
| 20:13.34 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: instructions are for i385 and I use amd64 |
| 20:13.41 | jelly-home | _AleX_: with... a2ps? :-) |
| 20:13.47 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: Hrm, I hate to say this, but why not use the non-free Java... oh, amd64, never mind. |
| 20:14.10 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: I must go for icedtea |
| 20:14.21 | _AleX_ | jelly-home: humm ... i'm testing ... |
| 20:14.37 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: the problem is their instructions arent working! |
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| 20:16.56 | _AleX_ | jelly-home: a2ps do the job just perfectly ! thanks ! |
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| 20:17.23 | _AleX_ | jelly-home: a2ps do the job just perfectly ! thanks ! |
| 20:17.24 | javaforamd64 | has someone with amd64 installed icedtea successfully? |
| 20:17.36 | jelly-home | heh |
| 20:17.51 | stoned | hey |
| 20:17.59 | stoned | quick advise me what language to program in? |
| 20:18.10 | jelly-home | let it begin in p |
| 20:18.29 | nullboy | stoned: BF |
| 20:18.33 | stoned | BF? |
| 20:18.58 | jelly-home | brainfuck |
| 20:19.06 | nullboy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck |
| 20:19.27 | xingu | magyar: can you do me a favour and whois --verbose your failing case? |
| 20:19.37 | xingu | magyar: interested to see what it barfs up. |
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| 20:20.13 | jelly-home | stoned: what sort of an app are you trying to make? |
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| 20:20.36 | petemc | xingu: just outputs same |
| 20:20.58 | xingu | petemc: what, no "using server ..." line? |
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| 20:21.12 | stoned | jelly-home, cross platform gui apps |
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| 20:21.24 | stoned | jelly-home, windows, macosx, linux, bsd |
| 20:21.31 | petemc | nope, just unknown... |
| 20:21.32 | magyar | xingu: whois --verbose 116.10.195.218 < etch |
| 20:21.40 | magyar | Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program. |
| 20:21.51 | stoned | jelly-home, something without too many dependencies |
| 20:21.51 | jelly-home | magyar: so, backport it |
| 20:22.11 | xingu | magyar: does it work for any dotted quad? |
| 20:22.21 | magyar | sure |
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| 20:22.43 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: I'm using lenny. Sorry, mate. Aptitude just did the whole dirty work for me. :-/ |
| 20:22.49 | xingu | magyar: just trying to get a grip on what the actual problem is; whois(1) contains some deep voodoo, the system wasn't designed terribly well in a directory services sense. |
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| 20:23.10 | jelly-home | xingu: I think it has an embedded map of the internets to know which whois server to ask |
| 20:23.14 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: lenny is unstable isn't it? unsure yet for production |
| 20:23.19 | xingu | jelly-home: bingo. |
| 20:23.26 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: Did you try to manually fix this patch? |
| 20:23.34 | jelly-home | and magyar already stated the version in testing worked |
| 20:23.37 | magyar | xingu: it seems like some major changes occured to whois and there are many apps depend on it |
| 20:23.40 | xingu | jelly-home: and I'm guessing that it doesn't know who 116/8 is |
| 20:24.03 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: Lenny is *this* close to being stable; RC count is low, and currently some Debian politics about firmware blobs are holding back release. |
| 20:24.14 | magyar | jelly-home: so did other os from eight years |
| 20:24.38 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: so you suggest me to make the change? |
| 20:24.45 | xingu | magyar: some binaries will send all queries to a default whois server |
| 20:24.50 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: Well... Do you have a test server? |
| 20:24.54 | jelly-home | magyar: other OS doesn't use Md's most excellent whois implementation! |
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| 20:25.01 | magyar | xingu: ahh, got it |
| 20:25.17 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: ha ha no |
| 20:25.20 | xingu | magyar: can you try whois -h whois.apnic.net --verbose 116.10.195.218 ? |
| 20:25.51 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: when I try to upload unstable I get Dynamic MMap ran out of room why? |
| 20:25.55 | magyar | xingu: would make sense to do a final query to a known server, when default handlers brake |
| 20:25.58 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: Have a look: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 20:26.05 | jelly-home | xingu: hm, that works even on sarge |
| 20:26.07 | javaforamd64 | JordiGH: when I try to update sorry |
| 20:26.07 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: If you don't see any bugs there that could hamper your use, go for it. |
| 20:26.21 | xingu | magyar: manpage says it should - whois.arin.net for recognised ip4 addresses |
| 20:26.31 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: That's an apt-get bug... aptitude doesn't have it, I think (and you should be using aptitude in etch anyways). |
| 20:26.41 | xingu | magyar: probably what's happened is that your _other_ binary uses something else and whois.arin.net aren't willing to proxy any more. |
| 20:27.25 | magyar | xingu: I think that bug 492966 answer was a bit too harsh from the maintainer |
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| 20:27.27 | xingu | (actually whois.arin.net is serving a referall, I just checked) |
| 20:27.30 | javaforamd64 | aptitude gives error too |
| 20:27.34 | xingu | magyar: so do I as it happens |
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| 20:28.02 | xingu | magyar: can you try with -h whois.arin.net and see if your userland can follow the referral ? |
| 20:28.08 | mordy | mkinitramfs is the same thing as mkinitrd - right? |
| 20:28.17 | xingu | magyar: this would complete the bug report |
| 20:28.26 | JordiGH | javaforamd64: Google for it; you have to increase memory somewhere in the apt preferences. |
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| 20:29.32 | abrotman | !tell javaforamd64 about mmap |
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| 20:30.06 | magyar | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/1290971 <-- it worked |
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| 20:31.01 | xingu | magyar: right, so the problem case is either - the binary has no default whois server; or, classifying the address (116/8) either as something other than a dotted quad - or - sending it to the _wrong_ whois server |
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| 20:31.14 | bolt | argh. whenever I start xorg with the "openchrome" driver, my tv-out shuts off. how can I make it stay on? tv-out works fine from boot until i run startx |
| 20:31.16 | xingu | magyar: a peek at the source should tell you; either way we have a compound bug |
| 20:31.35 | xingu | magyar: 1/ the error in the --verbose case should be less cryptic (should tell you what server is used - or that none is used) |
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| 20:32.23 | xingu | magyar: 2/ one of the above diagnosis is true (no default whois OR classifying as something other than ipv4 address OR precanned and wrong whois server) |
| 20:32.49 | xingu | magyar: feel free to take that lot further with the maint, the bug you found is a pretty poor show. |
| 20:33.25 | keith_ | bolt: the driver has to support it, or you might need xinerama or a similar hack |
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| 20:33.45 | magyar | xingu: done, thanks for your input, I'll re-file the bug |
| 20:33.49 | Gokee2_ | Hello all, I keep having my Xorg go to 100%. I have to then kill it as root through ssh as there is no way to interact with the computer locally. After that sometimes the virtual terminals start working and sometimes they don`t. If they don`t I have to restart X over the ssh link after exporting the DISPLAY. If they do I can switch back to 1 and restart X from there. Also my computer sometimes does not respond to ssh so I have to do a hard |
| 20:33.49 | Gokee2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.58 | mhymn | damn |
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| 20:34.53 | xingu | magyar: it'd be acceptable for the maint. to say "fixed upstream" but that comes along with "... and upstream now backported to etch backports" |
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| 20:35.51 | Mxldr | who is abortman? |
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| 20:36.12 | jelly-home | who is Mxldr? |
| 20:36.26 | mhymn | AFGNCAAP :P |
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| 20:36.29 | Gigantic | jelly-home: MisterT's little bro |
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| 20:38.21 | jelly-home | Gigantic: sounds like a vowel-deprived family |
| 20:38.22 | magyar | xingu: one would assume, there is a procedure, I never had any issues with "more core" packages |
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| 20:39.21 | xingu | magyar: whois is high touch at the user agent end - NIC's should've moved to LDAP years ago. |
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| 20:41.07 | xingu | magyar: it's a royal PITA and the maint needs to be a little more flexible; the troubleshooting tree is pretty straightforward - if - you've ever fought the forest of NIC registration yourself |
| 20:41.12 | lfaraone | Is it possible to set rules so that connections on port 22 using "foo.example.com" as the FQDN in the request go to machine X, where as conns to "bar.example.com" go to machine Y? ( both originate from the same adapter) |
| 20:41.40 | lfaraone | jelly-home: whenever I use xset rows it causes my screen to go blank |
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| 20:42.04 | sparr | lfaraone: connections use IP addresses, not FQDNs |
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| 20:42.16 | lfaraone | sparr: damnit... |
| 20:42.21 | xingu | lfaraone: no; the protocol doesn't carry target name in the upper layer. |
| 20:42.25 | jelly-home | lfaraone: sorry, what? |
| 20:42.32 | magyar | xingu: going forward with any resolution will get more complex, as dnssec will also play a role |
| 20:42.35 | lfaraone | sparr: unfortunately I'm on dynamic dns and NAT. |
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| 20:42.50 | magyar | xingu: no root sign solution as of yet |
| 20:42.51 | lfaraone | jelly-home: I asked earlier about chagnign tty size. |
| 20:42.53 | sparr | lfaraone: the dns lookup step wont know what port youre using, and any step after that wont know what FQDN you used to get the ip youre connecting to |
| 20:42.54 | xingu | magyar: don't get me started on dnssec ;) that's another accident waiting to happen |
| 20:43.04 | magyar | -_- |
| 20:43.11 | jelly-home | lfaraone: that would have been "stty rows ...", not xset anything |
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| 20:43.36 | lfaraone | jelly-home: sorry, I meant stty. x| |
| 20:44.25 | lfaraone | xingu, sparr , so there is no way to disambiguate via host? (a. la. "virtual hosting" in apache?) |
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| 20:45.02 | sparr | lfaraone: virtual hosting relies on content in the http request |
| 20:45.05 | xingu | lfaraone: no, it's a protocol deficiency as I said; there's no equivalency for the HTTP Host: header in the upper layer proto. |
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| 20:46.29 | xingu | lfaraone: you might be able to do something tricky in terms of binding the client's dsa cert to a particular sshd, but you'd need to roll up your sleeves and hack at the source. |
| 20:46.36 | jelly-home | s/upper/lower/, ITYM |
| 20:46.51 | xingu | anything above transport is upper layer in my world ;) |
| 20:47.55 | xingu | lfaraone: if you tunnelled the ssh traffic *over* http you could also shim it thataway. |
| 20:48.09 | xingu | lfaraone: from memory I believe AOL actually *do* that |
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| 20:50.50 | xingu | hmm, a https-connect-telnet wouldn't be such a dumb thing |
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| 20:51.15 | lfaraone | xingu: yeah: http://dag.wieers.com/howto/ssh-http-tunneling/ |
| 20:52.14 | chomwitt | having both an iso dvd and a http mirror as package sources during a new installation of lenny what source will be selected? |
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| 20:52.36 | abrotman | the CD if it's the same version as the http version |
| 20:54.02 | xingu | lfaraone: nb, if you used https instead of http and used the ssh null cipher performance would probably suck less. |
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| 20:54.31 | S-i-A | hi |
| 20:55.04 | chomwitt | abrotman: the desicion will be made per package base? ( i mean if package A in cd is the same version as A' will A be selected and if not the http? ) |
| 20:55.17 | S-i-A | will see all installed application with gnome and remove it via command line. any idea how? |
| 20:55.50 | cahoot | !remove gnome |
| 20:55.51 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 20:56.25 | lfaraone | xingu: off I go to file a bug report with the IETF. :) |
| 20:56.49 | S-i-A | cahoot: that is not what i need thanks |
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| 20:57.16 | S-i-A | i will see alle installed package with gnome name. |
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| 20:58.14 | S-i-A | like that 'apt-cache policy | grep -i gnome' |
| 20:58.15 | abrotman | chomwitt: if the same package versoin is available on both, it should take the CD |
| 20:59.05 | xingu | lfaraone: ;) |
| 20:59.29 | Gigantic | ponders... Django or Catalyst... Maybe Rails, uhm... maybe Zope3 maybe Cocoon |
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| 21:01.14 | infinity_ | wow. i just learned about ssh-agent and agent forwarding. why is this a secret? its amazing |
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| 21:02.07 | nullboy | it's not a secret |
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| 21:02.33 | infinity_ | yea. i know, but no one told me :( |
| 21:02.44 | infinity_ | i just stumbled upon it |
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| 21:03.10 | infinity_ | i'll never have to type in a password again |
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| 21:03.35 | infinity_ | i use to use keys without passphrases. duuumb |
| 21:04.24 | jirka | hello all, is it possible to un-/lock packages from command line using regular expressions or wildcards please? |
| 21:05.14 | flixil | jimpy, do you mean aptitude hold and unhold? |
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| 21:05.33 | infinity_ | nullboy: know of a way to deply ssh keys? |
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| 21:06.02 | sparr | how can I remove/disqualify/disable a single video mode without creating xorg.conf modelines for all the other automatically-detected modes i want to keep? |
| 21:06.04 | infinity_ | i want my one key to be on about 10 hosts' authorized_keys files |
| 21:07.18 | bolt | How can I adjust the image position of an s-video tv-out image with the vesa driver? |
| 21:07.29 | jelly-home | infinity_: agent forwarding is a bit of a insecurity; having just the agent and logging on directly from a single point is probably safer |
| 21:08.37 | infinity_ | jelly-home: yea. i read something about that. i guess if i want to jump around i can do 'ssh -A' |
| 21:08.45 | infinity_ | and not have it in the config file |
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| 21:09.25 | vinc456 | does "less" have a way of displaying the percentage or number of lines remaining? |
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| 21:09.42 | nullboy | infinity_: ssh-copy-id? |
| 21:10.13 | infinity_ | nullboy: lol. geez. i need to ask more |
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| 21:10.50 | infinity_ | nullboy: thanks. google didn't even get me that |
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| 21:11.21 | nullboy | it's part of ssh, just type: ssh <tab><tab> |
| 21:11.40 | infinity_ | nullboy: yea. i already used it successfully |
| 21:11.44 | nullboy | cool |
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| 21:12.10 | infinity_ | nullboy: i'm rockin' ssh now! |
| 21:12.11 | Doug52392 | Hello |
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| 21:12.17 | infinity_ | nullboy: do you use keychain? |
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| 21:12.23 | nullboy | no |
| 21:13.08 | Doug52392 | I just installed Debian, and (yet again) going though getting my Linksys WMP54G v4.1 PCI wireless card to work. |
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| 21:13.45 | Doug52392 | Which drivers should be used? It's an RT61 based card. |
| 21:14.06 | hatter | I am having trouble making out of office replies work on exim4. I have a 325_exim4-config_uservacation file in routers and a 40_exim4-config_uservacation_transport in transport and a .vacation file in the users directory, but nothing is happening |
| 21:14.57 | sparr | hatter: can exim read the .vacation file? |
| 21:15.27 | hatter | sparr, hmm, the .vacation has username and group of the user |
| 21:15.37 | sparr | and permissions? |
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| 21:17.43 | mhymn | Doug52392: /msg dpkg RT61 |
| 21:17.49 | hatter | sparr, .vacation 644 |
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| 21:18.05 | bolt | How can I adjust the image position of an s-video tv-out image with the vesa driver? |
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| 21:18.41 | Gigantic | I am tired of Java and now that I want to swithc, I really can't choose between Zope3 Catalyst and Rails =\ |
| 21:19.16 | hatter | do i need to regenerate my exim4 conf file when adding a router and a transport ? |
| 21:21.14 | infinity_ | Gigantic: rails has more buzz |
| 21:21.23 | infinity_ | Gigantic: i know nothing about catalyst |
| 21:21.29 | Doug52392 | I installed the legacy Rt61 driver, but I get an error when I tried loading it with modprobe: "rt61: Could not load firmware! (is firmware file installed?)" |
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| 21:22.24 | sparr | hatter: no idea then, sorry |
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| 21:22.42 | infinity_ | hatter: bleh. replace exim with postfix :) |
| 21:22.44 | hatter | sparr, ok thx |
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| 21:23.42 | Gigantic | infinity_: I considered Catalyst because I like Perl and I'm quite used to it, I like Zope3 because of the good practice and coding, and Rails because it has a lot of people on it and I could get some nice shortcuts |
| 21:23.53 | petemc | infinity_: does postfix have more buzz? |
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| 21:24.11 | Gigantic | postfix > exim4 |
| 21:24.15 | petemc | no |
| 21:24.19 | jelly-home | petemc: it likely does! |
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| 21:24.22 | infinity_ | petemc: lol. hmmm. i would say so :) |
| 21:24.51 | hatter | (ducks) qmail was easier |
| 21:25.07 | jelly-home | s/was/is/ |
| 21:25.17 | petemc | hatter: check /var/lib/exim4/ to see if your changes have made it to the config exim uses |
| 21:25.24 | infinity_ | hatter: lol. any opionion is fine :)... |
| 21:25.38 | Doug52392 | Never mind, it just worked: ) |
| 21:25.45 | jelly-home | uses qmail and lives to tell |
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| 21:26.28 | infinity_ | i'm actually surprised exim is default |
| 21:26.29 | hatter | petemc, ah, i didnt know about that file, thx i will check |
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| 21:26.39 | petemc | infinity_: why? |
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| 21:26.41 | infinity_ | considering i hear qmail and postfix here. |
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| 21:27.11 | infinity_ | ...and i've never seen a mail server run exim :) |
| 21:27.26 | jelly-home | infinity_: qmail's not even in debian. yet. |
| 21:27.38 | infinity_ | jelly-home: whhaaa ? was it removed? or just never there? |
| 21:27.43 | jelly-home | never was |
| 21:28.01 | Eulex | !qmail |
| 21:28.02 | dpkg | methinks qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install on Debian, ask me about <qmail debs>. See also <qmail equivs>. |
| 21:28.04 | petemc | i remember using qmail-src back in the day |
| 21:28.18 | infinity_ | wow. i never knew. |
| 21:28.27 | hatter | yep, the changes are in /var/lib/exim4 |
| 21:28.31 | stew | that factoid needs to be updated |
| 21:28.32 | jelly-home | petemc: right. no binaries in main. |
| 21:28.45 | jelly-home | (or contrib) |
| 21:28.58 | stew | it is actually free now |
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| 21:29.17 | hatter | qmail is free now ? |
| 21:29.26 | Gigantic | aye |
| 21:29.31 | Gigantic | but who cares :) |
| 21:29.38 | petemc | hatter: and yet it seems not to work? did you ensure the router you added is read first? |
| 21:29.39 | infinity_ | stew: but no packages eh? i guess everyone went elsewehre |
| 21:29.41 | Gigantic | (sucks) |
| 21:29.45 | Gigantic | *d :P |
| 21:30.20 | stew | infinity_: someone filed and ITP then i think maybe got into a disagreement with the qmail-src maintainer about how it should be handled, or something |
| 21:30.33 | hatter | petemc, the router i added is at 325 , |
| 21:31.04 | hatter | should i make it 100 ? |
| 21:31.10 | infinity_ | whats itp stand for |
| 21:31.13 | jelly-home | stew: that someone is the same person that managed an excellent set of 3rd party packages for quite a while |
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| 21:31.38 | jelly-home | !itp |
| 21:31.38 | dpkg | methinks itp is Intent To Package, or a bug which is filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package which indicates that someone is working on packaging a piece of software for debian. This is done to avoid the duplication of work. |
| 21:31.39 | infinity_ | intend to package |
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| 21:32.10 | petemc | hatter: im not overly familiar with the way debconf handles it, you can check the order of the routers in the config vs the numbering in conf.d/routers/ |
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| 21:33.38 | hatter | petemc, oh you mean the router is read before the transport ? |
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| 21:34.18 | jelly-home | there's some coverage of qmail ITP thread at http://lwn.net/Articles/308810/ |
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| 21:34.56 | hatter | jelly-home, did you have much pain upgrading your sarge boxes to etch with qmail installed ? |
| 21:35.09 | petemc | hatter: the routers decide which transport it uses, so obviously they are, but you also need to be aware the routers are processed in the order they appear in the config, and if a router earlier up handles your mail, it wont get to your vacation router |
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| 21:35.54 | groton | Any way/tutorial on how install Debian along with the useful packages for office usage (word editor, spreadshit) using an usb key of 2GiB? |
| 21:36.01 | jelly-home | hatter: wasn't me that did the upgrades, so I don't know the details |
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| 21:36.39 | Jemt | Is it possible to install 'ndiswrapper' without the module-assistant on Lenny ? |
| 21:36.58 | HardDisk_WP | sure |
| 21:37.03 | HardDisk_WP | install it from source |
| 21:37.11 | HardDisk_WP | but m-a is way more convenient |
| 21:37.39 | Jemt | Ah, okay. Thanks :) |
| 21:38.27 | Sweetandy | Whenever I run an update with apt, I end up with words along the lines of "Not authenticated packages". What gives? How can I fix this? I'm on an iBook G4 laptop running Debian Lenny |
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| 21:39.44 | bolt | How can I adjust the image position of an s-video tv-out image with the vesa driver? |
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| 21:40.47 | bolt | !tell Sweetandy about no public key |
| 21:41.46 | firebird619 | I installed xfce on Debian Lenny, which also installed thunar, and now when I go to Places --> Home, etc. thunar opens instead of nautilus. How can I make nautilus default? I like to use thunar now and then, so I don't want to just remove it to solve the problem. Could someone please help me? |
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| 21:43.10 | hatter | is the autoreply driver installed on exim4 by default ? |
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| 21:43.57 | Sweetandy | bolt, thanks. |
| 21:44.08 | teratoma | how can i mount my SD card in my cell phone? here is my dmesg output http://pastebin.com/m4f590fd2 |
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| 21:45.50 | teratoma | oh nevermind i figured it out. |
| 21:46.12 | BCM43 | I remamped ctrl + right arrow to widen my window by accident |
| 21:46.15 | BCM43 | how do I change it back? |
| 21:47.14 | Mark17 | hello, how can i see by what virtual ethernet card an IP address belong? I cannot se the total name with ifconfig for as far as i can see (there i see eth0:3:0 and ifdown eth0:3:0 says: ifdown: interface eth0:3:0 not configured) |
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| 21:49.01 | aoliveira | i cant boot my debian after the kernel update someone could help me to figure out what is happening ? |
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| 21:49.42 | varlon | dpkg using amarok 2.0 in Lenny |
| 21:49.42 | dpkg | varlon: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 21:49.46 | BCM43 | aoliveira: what happens when you try to boot |
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| 21:50.22 | aoliveira | the kernel cant find my devices |
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| 21:51.34 | aoliveira | BCM43: http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/402/errorfd8.jpg |
| 21:52.11 | BCM43 | aoliveira: can you ssh in? |
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| 21:53.35 | aoliveira | BCM43: after the time i get the ramfs shell(busybox shell) |
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| 21:54.15 | aoliveira | BCM43: this problem only happen with the new kernel |
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| 21:55.17 | BCM43 | aoliveira: this is an ubuntu version |
| 21:55.17 | BCM43 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/288388 |
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| 21:59.45 | Jemt | I have the following in /etc/group: 'scanner:x:116:saned' - what does this mean? That the group 'scanner' "inherits" its permissions from the group 'saned' ? |
| 22:00.06 | jelly-home | Jemt: user saned is member of group scanner |
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| 22:00.48 | Jemt | jelly-home: But I also have a group called 'saned': 'saned:x:118:' |
| 22:01.00 | jelly-home | Jemt: so? |
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| 22:01.58 | Jemt | So there is no inheritance or similar? The system has created an account called 'saned' ? |
| 22:02.05 | jelly-home | Jemt: correct |
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| 22:02.34 | Jemt | Ok. And if I want access to the scanner, what group do I add myself to? The scanner as I did in Etch (now running Lenny) ? |
| 22:02.40 | jelly-home | Jemt: id -a saned |
| 22:02.44 | Jemt | Checkng |
| 22:02.46 | Jemt | Checking* |
| 22:03.46 | Jemt | that gave me: uid=109(saned) gid=118(saned) groups=118(saned),117(scanner) |
| 22:04.13 | jelly-home | Jemt: so, it confirms your finding |
| 22:04.40 | Jemt | Ah, I see |
| 22:05.03 | Jemt | But do you know what group I'm supposed to be a member of in order to get permissions to scan documents? |
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| 22:05.10 | Jemt | It was 'scanner' in Etch |
| 22:05.24 | jelly-home | no idea... I guess it'd be the same |
| 22:05.27 | scientes_ | what are .dsc and .diff.gz files? |
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| 22:06.14 | scientes_ | with package origional .tar.gz tarballs |
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| 22:06.31 | Jemt | Oh, I just realisted that every user has its own group. Why is that ? |
| 22:06.55 | jelly-home | scientes_: the set of three makes for a complete debian package source |
| 22:07.05 | scientes_ | how do you combine them |
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| 22:07.14 | scientes_ | and build them |
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| 22:08.27 | scientes_ | ? |
| 22:08.31 | jelly-home | scientes_: unpack and apply patches using dpkg-source; use dpkg-buildpackage to build |
| 22:08.43 | Roland- | hello, I have 2 video cards, how do I switch them ? I mean is there a way ? I have a sony vaio with 2 video cards built in an nvidia one and an intel one |
| 22:08.48 | jelly-home | scientes_: parts of "/msg dpkg ssb" might be of some help |
| 22:08.53 | scientes_ | will that tell me dependancies etc? |
| 22:08.54 | scientes_ | k |
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| 22:13.09 | enouf | heh - "saned Added by sane-utils, but appears to be unused." from file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
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| 22:13.55 | mgee | hi |
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| 22:14.33 | enouf | ~$ rgrep sane /etc/udev and ~$ rgrep -l scanner /etc/udev |
| 22:15.00 | wam | Hi, I'm thinking about coding a cluster configuration system like rdist or cfengine as both don't match my usecase. I want versioned, testable, simulatable and fast cfg rollout to a large cluster with configuration template support and inheritance or configuration addition, scalability, transaction with rollback and much more. Any hints where I could look at before doing it on my own? |
| 22:15.03 | mgee | i am using debian lenny and have ruby1.8 and rubygems1.8 installed. now when i run gem install rails. it installs rails. but there is no executable rails on my computer. although gem says everything went fine. the same game with the gem "passenger" aka mod_rails. |
| 22:15.16 | mgee | does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 22:15.58 | enouf | mgee: is there some sort of missing rails modules pkg? |
| 22:16.06 | infinity_ | wam: puppet+svn ? |
| 22:16.11 | ekontsevoy | I've compiled and installed ruby into /opt/ruby, so I have ruby executable in /opt/ruby/bin. I added /opt/ruby/bin into PATH in /etc/environment, but it won't find it there when I run ruby from sudo. How do I update PATH for *all* users, including root? |
| 22:16.37 | wam | infinity_: never heard about puppet. Let me see ;) Thanks! |
| 22:16.47 | mgee | enouf: i dont think so. since there is never an error. there are just no binaries as it seems |
| 22:17.02 | enouf | ekontsevoy: well .. maybe /etc/login.defs or /etc/profile but there might be a better way |
| 22:17.10 | infinity_ | wam: wow. that long requirement and no puppet knoweldge? you've been bad. |
| 22:17.13 | ekontsevoy | enouf: profile!!!!!!! |
| 22:17.20 | ekontsevoy | I bet that's it |
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| 22:17.29 | enouf | mgee: maybe they're named differently - do dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep bin |
| 22:17.41 | wam | infinity_: Just thought I'd ask. Maybe you saved me ;) |
| 22:17.51 | infinity_ | wam: the puppet client can pull or the puppet server can push |
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| 22:18.00 | infinity_ | wam: or both at the same time :) |
| 22:18.06 | wam | infinity_: sounds like what I need. |
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| 22:18.13 | wam | infinity_: do you use it? |
| 22:18.14 | mgee | enouf: i want to install rails etc. with "gem" ruby's own package manager... i read that it is the recommended way to keep it up2date |
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| 22:18.26 | infinity_ | wam: yea. my requirement list isn't as long as yours though |
| 22:18.37 | wam | infinity_: that was'nt all of it ;) |
| 22:18.38 | infinity_ | wam: i don't have my puppet in svn |
| 22:18.52 | enouf | mgee: sorry, i don't know anything about it personally - just going on what i know about other things |
| 22:18.55 | wam | infinity_: I currently have my rdist in bzr, but it doesn't scale. |
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| 22:19.08 | mgee | enouf: np, thanks anyway :) |
| 22:19.13 | infinity_ | wam: well, puppet can scale |
| 22:19.18 | enouf | ok |
| 22:19.47 | infinity_ | wam: puppet scales infinitely i think |
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| 22:20.14 | wam | infinity_: nice ;) I'll read a lot now... Thank you very much! |
| 22:20.31 | infinity_ | wam: get the book. it helps too |
| 22:20.46 | wam | infinity_: there's a book??? Damn - never heard of that package! |
| 22:21.14 | infinity_ | wam: i think its only in print form. i bought it about a year ago. its was helpful. the website layout sucks |
| 22:21.14 | enouf | there is no spoon ... but there is a book :-) |
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| 22:21.49 | infinity_ | wam: good luck |
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| 22:22.07 | Roland- | this is funny |
| 22:22.15 | infinity_ | wam: and let me know what you decide. i'm curious :) |
| 22:22.18 | Roland- | http://translate.google.com/translate_t#en|ro|I%20use%20Internet%20Explorer |
| 22:22.30 | wam | infinity_: I'll be back and tell you |
| 22:22.42 | Roland- | google translates DO NOT USE INTERNET EXPLORER the I USE INTERNET EXPLORER text haha |
| 22:22.49 | infinity_ | wam: /msg me so i don't miss it |
| 22:23.47 | enouf | Roland-: is 'not' some sick part of their search term specifics, like say site: or filetype: or whatever? |
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| 22:24.16 | AfterDeath | Roland-: lol! |
| 22:24.39 | enouf | Roland-: like to omit all hits of pontiacs, but search for all GM cars use myabe "General motors not pontiac" ? |
| 22:24.50 | Roland- | no, google translates the text "I use Internet Explorer" in romanian: Do not use internet explorer |
| 22:24.51 | Roland- | lol |
| 22:24.56 | enouf | Roland-: or does "General motors -pontiac" work? |
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| 22:25.32 | enouf | either way, OT, go tell ##linux |
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| 22:28.29 | jelly-home | Roland-: my hovercraft is full of eels. |
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| 22:29.29 | Ace2016_- | Debian will be installed on an encrypted root partition on a raid1 array, after modifying mdadm.conf what do i need to run to update initrd so that it knows to bring up the raid and ask for the key to decrypt the partition so that it can be mounted |
| 22:29.30 | Ace2016_- | ? |
| 22:29.34 | bolt | How can I adjust the image position of an s-video tv-out image with the vesa driver? |
| 22:30.05 | oOarthurOo | There seem to be three ways to get openoffice three in Lenny right now. First is to get the deb's from OOo and dpkg -i them. Second is to enable experimental repo, pin it at a lower priority then do a targeted install of openoffice. And this is this link I found here, where a debian developer appears to have made them available. http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org/msg19010.html Which is the best way to |
| 22:30.09 | enouf | Ace2016_-: update-initramfs, and/or dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-VERSION |
| 22:30.41 | enouf | Ace2016_-: you need to list the specific modules you need in /etc/initramfs-tools/*.conf or whatever prior to running those |
| 22:30.47 | Ace2016_- | enouf: thanks, where is dm_crypt info stored? i found mdadm's conf in /etc but not dmcrypt/luks, does it have a conf? |
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| 22:31.06 | Ace2016_- | oh maybe dmcrypt/luks part is handled in those conf files |
| 22:31.17 | enouf | Ace2016_-: hrm, not sure where offhand - but make sure you also see the /etc/default/* files |
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| 22:31.39 | enouf | Ace2016_-: i'd imagine cryptsetup and dmsetup are what you want? |
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| 22:32.35 | enouf | Ace2016_-: install "configure-debian" .. it'll list all available thruogh dpkg-reconfigure * options |
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| 22:33.29 | Ace2016_- | well i used cryptsetup to create the encrypted partitions |
| 22:33.40 | Ace2016_- | enouf: thanks |
| 22:33.52 | aoliveira | hey |
| 22:34.05 | aoliveira | eth0 has a symlink in /dev? |
| 22:34.07 | enouf | Ace2016_-: er .. i meant file:///etc/initramfs-tools/modules earlier - welcome |
| 22:34.36 | enouf | Ace2016_-: sometimes, those other files need some tweaking, like hooks and such .. rare instances though, i'd say |
| 22:34.39 | jelly-home | aoliveira: network devices don't appear in /dev |
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| 22:34.54 | aoliveira | jelly-home: where ? |
| 22:35.06 | jelly-home | aoliveira: where what? |
| 22:35.22 | aoliveira | where does it appear? |
| 22:35.37 | infinity_ | does X sessions forward through multiple ssh hops like ssh-agent forwarding |
| 22:35.43 | jelly-home | aoliveira: um... in ifconfig output? why? |
| 22:36.05 | enouf | sshx |
| 22:36.08 | Ace2016_- | maybe somewhere in /proc? |
| 22:36.12 | aoliveira | jelly everybody says that everything on linux is a file |
| 22:36.13 | enouf | bah .. nm |
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| 22:36.19 | infinity_ | enouf: sshx ? |
| 22:36.22 | jelly-home | infinity_: if it's enabled everywhere, sure |
| 22:36.33 | infinity_ | jelly-home: wow. awesome |
| 22:36.35 | jelly-home | aoliveira: lies! |
| 22:36.35 | enouf | aoliveira: ls /sys/class/net ? |
| 22:36.36 | aoliveira | jelly like /dev/hda where is the file that represents eth0? |
| 22:36.44 | enouf | !sshx |
| 22:36.45 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 22:36.56 | Ace2016_- | aoliveira: well i did find this: cat /proc/net/dev |
| 22:37.39 | Ace2016_- | Found them!!! they are here /proc/net/dev_snmp6/ |
| 22:37.49 | jelly-home | ... |
| 22:37.54 | enouf | aoliveira: you are trying to ascertain which IP addy is assigned to your Virtual ifaces? |
| 22:38.00 | Ace2016_- | jelly-home: look and see thats where they are |
| 22:38.06 | jelly-home | aoliveira: why are you asking? |
| 22:38.08 | Ace2016_- | but i don't think they act as block devices like in /dev/ |
| 22:38.16 | aoliveira | eth0 is a symlink for the module of my ethernet card? |
| 22:38.32 | aoliveira | jelly-home: to know more about it |
| 22:38.50 | enouf | aoliveira: you can walk the udev tree to get info (not IP though) udevinfo -a -p /sys/classs/net/eth0 |
| 22:38.52 | Ace2016_- | what exactly do you want to know about it? |
| 22:39.00 | enouf | or udevadm nowadays? |
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| 22:39.15 | jelly-home | aoliveira: there's not much sense in providing a file-like interface for a network device. So it doesn't exist. |
| 22:39.30 | enouf | aoliveira: lspci -k (on lenny and up) |
| 22:39.35 | Ace2016_- | wanted to see what happens if he cat /dev/urandom into it :( |
| 22:39.44 | aoliveira | Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE] (rev 10) |
| 22:39.46 | aoliveira | Kernel driver in use: pcnet32 |
| 22:39.58 | jelly-home | sounds like a virtual machine |
| 22:39.58 | aoliveira | i can do ifconfig pcnet32? |
| 22:40.01 | enouf | but it's listed through /sys as well .. but that udevinfo will spit it out under DRIVERS= |
| 22:40.08 | aoliveira | vmware |
| 22:41.16 | jelly-home | aoliveira: you can "ifconfig -a" to see what's available. You can poke it using ethtool or through /sys/class/net/. |
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| 22:41.35 | aoliveira | who set the /sys up? |
| 22:41.37 | aoliveira | udev? |
| 22:41.45 | enouf | sysfs |
| 22:41.46 | jelly-home | aoliveira: you can ifconfig eth0 |
| 22:42.08 | jelly-home | aoliveira: /sys is a virtual filesystem provided by linux kernel |
| 22:42.19 | jelly-home | similar to /proc |
| 22:42.39 | Circuitsoft | Interesting problem. |
| 22:42.45 | Circuitsoft | I logged into my box via SSH. |
| 22:42.51 | Circuitsoft | Typed "mplayer tv://2" |
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| 22:43.02 | aoliveira | so, what udev does? |
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| 22:43.05 | Circuitsoft | Got a loop of "Failed to kill(8401,27) (error 3)." |
| 22:43.10 | enouf | aoliveira: lshal also has useful info from /sys |
| 22:43.27 | jelly-home | !tell aoliveira -about grounding |
| 22:43.31 | Ace2016_- | aoliveira: you plug it in, it shows up as eth0, but sometimes i have to do /etc/init.d/networking restart, ifup eth0 to get it online and ifup either uses dhcp or static based on what the config says |
| 22:43.35 | enouf | aoliveira: it replaces the older hotplug sub-system basially |
| 22:43.37 | Circuitsoft | Mplayer is dead, but I'm still getting that message. |
| 22:43.38 | enouf | basically |
| 22:44.03 | enouf | aoliveira: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 22:44.04 | Ace2016_- | Circuitsoft: what happens if you use killall -9 gmplayer |
| 22:44.24 | Zharf | killall is evil, at least use pkill |
| 22:44.25 | Circuitsoft | no process killed |
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| 22:44.32 | Ace2016_- | killall -9 mplayer? |
| 22:44.36 | Circuitsoft | Nope. |
| 22:44.38 | Circuitsoft | Not running. |
| 22:44.41 | jelly-home | Circuitsoft: is it logged in /var/log/kern.log as well? |
| 22:44.48 | enouf | i use pkill mplayer as root |
| 22:45.08 | Circuitsoft | No |
| 22:45.11 | Ace2016_- | Zharf: why pkill? is that the one which asks it nicely to exit? |
| 22:45.26 | Circuitsoft | ps -AHO user doesn't list any mplayer processes. |
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| 22:45.45 | Circuitsoft | And the only thing I don't recognize on that list is ggtick |
| 22:46.00 | Ace2016_- | wait whats the program trying to kill it? |
| 22:46.05 | Circuitsoft | No idea. |
| 22:46.14 | Circuitsoft | I killed that ssh session from this end. |
| 22:46.22 | Zharf | Ace2016_-, killall doesn't always do what you think it does, on most unices it kills all processes and shuts down the computer |
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| 22:46.36 | Ace2016_- | :o |
| 22:46.49 | Circuitsoft | Zharf: Good to know. |
| 22:46.58 | Circuitsoft | I often use killall - Guess I'd best learn to avoid it. |
| 22:47.23 | Zharf | pkill is the one to use :) |
| 22:47.26 | Ace2016_- | Zharf: so if i made pkill an alias to killall -9 then it'd be ok? |
| 22:47.27 | enouf | zykes-: |
| 22:47.32 | Zharf | Ace2016_-, no |
| 22:47.36 | enouf | Zharf: namely slowaris? ;-) |
| 22:47.37 | jelly-home | Circuitsoft: just don't assume linux commands work on some other unix-like system |
| 22:47.38 | Zharf | Ace2016_-, pkill is a program |
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| 22:47.51 | avu | Ace2016_-, you shouldn't use *kill* -9 at all |
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| 22:48.02 | Circuitsoft | jelly-home I'm more concerned about bad habits. |
| 22:48.08 | Zharf | avu, sometimes you have to :) |
| 22:48.12 | Ace2016_- | avu: why? whats bad about it? |
| 22:48.24 | enouf | Ace2016_-: no cleanup |
| 22:48.26 | jelly-home | Circuitsoft: assuming a command with the same name does the same thing is one! |
| 22:48.27 | avu | Zharf, only with broken programs that you should uninstall afterwards :) |
| 22:48.38 | Circuitsoft | avu - I've actually had "kill -9" fail to kill a processes. |
| 22:48.40 | enouf | concur |
| 22:49.15 | enouf | Circuitsoft: that's when it's time to go one deeper --> sysrq :-P |
| 22:49.18 | Zharf | Circuitsoft, zombie processes can't be killed |
| 22:49.32 | Circuitsoft | It wasn't a zombie. |
| 22:49.34 | avu | zombie processes actually *are* already dead :) |
| 22:49.45 | Circuitsoft | It currently had a filehandle on a device that had been removed from the computer. |
| 22:49.50 | enouf | pkill also has a nice grep -v style option .. i think it's -n ? |
| 22:49.59 | avu | their exit status just wasn't collected yet. they don't take up memory or anything. |
| 22:50.02 | Gnurdux | so one thing ubuntu is apparently planning to do that will ensure I will never use them: include WINE by default |
| 22:50.03 | Circuitsoft | It seems that ggtick was the process printing out all those messages. |
| 22:50.04 | enouf | stale NFS mount? |
| 22:50.06 | Circuitsoft | The quesiton is: What is it? |
| 22:50.08 | avu | well, except the entry in the kernel#s task table :) |
| 22:50.10 | Circuitsoft | USB |
| 22:50.11 | Gnurdux | to me, that sends EXACTLY the wrong message for a linux distro |
| 22:50.26 | Guerin | Gnurdux: WTF |
| 22:50.38 | Guerin | mind you |
| 22:50.39 | Ace2016_- | i use killall with a custom mplayer script, it starts kills any running instances then launches mplayer with the playlist loaded with whatever files were given to the thing, works well, and the script also restores mplayer's custom settings so the window position always starts in a default position rather than being where it was before |
| 22:50.40 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: how is that topical on #d? |
| 22:50.43 | enouf | er .. ubuntu -> gobolinux ? who cares |
| 22:50.45 | Gnurdux | completely not |
| 22:50.52 | Guerin | their default install has the bloated kitchen sink which is gnome as well |
| 22:50.53 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 22:50.59 | Gnurdux | i actually use gnome though |
| 22:51.07 | Gnurdux | although i probably wouldnt if i did a fresh install |
| 22:51.08 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: #debian-offtopic is over there --> |
| 22:51.09 | enouf | Guerin: heh |
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| 22:52.06 | oOarthurOo | I'm trying to do something on this laptop that I've done before on my own... blacklist modules from being loaded at startup. Usually, I just create a file '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local' and in that file I have stuff like 'blacklist ipv6' 'blacklist e100' etc. Then I run this command: 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)'... unfortunately, something is going wrong because the blacklisted modules are still being loaded on b |
| 22:52.19 | enouf | Ace2016_-: mplayer has something you might want to look at called "profiles" |
| 22:52.23 | oOarthurOo | The only clue I have is this when I run it: Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled (2.6.26-12 was configured last, according to dpkg). I don't recall seeing that before. |
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| 22:52.49 | jelly-home | Ace2016_-: you can easily replace killall usage with pkill if you wish to |
| 22:52.51 | enouf | Ace2016_-: my ~/.mplayer/config does the setting of where the default window position is |
| 22:52.59 | Ace2016_- | enouf: but i use gmplayer which is said to be incomplete and unmaintained, but i think its the best interface for it, simple video player |
| 22:53.02 | enouf | see geometry option IIRC |
| 22:53.09 | enouf | gah |
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| 22:53.34 | Ace2016_- | enouf: i thought that setting is updated when you move the window and exit |
| 22:53.45 | enouf | oOarthurOo: does /etc/modules.conf exist? |
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| 22:54.17 | jriachi | hello |
| 22:54.18 | enouf | oOarthurOo: (or /etc/modprobe.conf was it? ) that file takes precedence over /etc/modprobe.d/ unfortunately |
| 22:54.47 | enouf | oOarthurOo: also ensure they are not listed in /etc/modules |
| 22:55.07 | enouf | Ace2016_-: not on mine .. as i said - mine works |
| 22:55.31 | enouf | Ace2016_-: always starts with the same size in the same xxx yyy coordinates |
| 22:55.53 | aoliveira | anyone know what is ioctl? |
| 22:56.15 | enouf | Ace2016_-: # Position on the screen, where it sits, and starts up at |
| 22:56.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.46 | oOarthurOo | enouf: Neither of those files exist, and /etc/modules is empty |
| 22:56.48 | enouf | Ace2016_-: but also note; |
| 22:56.49 | enouf | # auto size the playback screen to comfortable size |
| 22:56.49 | enouf | xy=2 |
| 22:57.21 | enouf | oOarthurOo: are you certain you're booting into the correct kernel? |
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| 22:58.38 | enouf | oOarthurOo: "Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled (2.6.26-12 was configured last," comes from mkinitramfs-kpkg and it's reading of /etc/kernel-img.conf IINM, which refers to the symlinks in / |
| 22:58.49 | enouf | oOarthurOo: you could try update-initramfs |
| 22:59.00 | aoliveira | ifconfig when want to comunicate with the ethernet card, does it use ioctl? |
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| 22:59.15 | enouf | strace it and see |
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| 23:00.31 | aoliveira | enouf: strace? |
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| 23:00.56 | oOarthurOo | enouf: There is only one kernel in my grub: kernel 2.6.26-1-686... and that matches uname-r ... I will try that command. |
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| 23:01.12 | enouf | oOarthurOo: hit the man page |
| 23:01.33 | aoliveira | enouf: like strace ifconfig |
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| 23:02.59 | aoliveira | enouf: nice |
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| 23:03.39 | aoliveira | write(1, "eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HW"..., 58eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0c:29:3d:96:61 |
| 23:03.40 | aoliveira | ) = 58 |
| 23:03.57 | aoliveira | where is that function write? |
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| 23:04.41 | jelly-home | aoliveira: it writes to file descriptor number 1 (commonly called standard output, stdout) |
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| 23:04.54 | aoliveira | is it a libc function? |
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| 23:05.18 | jelly-home | aoliveira: strace shows system calls. |
| 23:05.24 | \amethyst | man 2 write |
| 23:05.35 | enouf | install manpages-dev ? |
| 23:06.16 | aoliveira | i'm doing that right now |
| 23:06.18 | jelly-home | aoliveira: there's also a ltrace that shows library calls |
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| 23:06.53 | aoliveira | what is the difference ? |
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| 23:08.36 | aoliveira | printf("%-9s Link encap:%s ", "eth0", "Ethernet") = 31 |
| 23:08.37 | aoliveira | snprintf("00:0c:29:3d:96:61", 64, "%02x:%02x:%02x:%02x:%02x:%02x", 0, 0xc, 0x29, 0x3d, 0x96, 0x61) = 17 |
| 23:08.39 | aoliveira | lol |
| 23:08.52 | aoliveira | library printf and then system call write |
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| 23:10.43 | grindhold | hello.. i just looked into teh htop process list. there is an sshd process running, that is bothering me.. (sshd [accepted] sshd [net]) i think someone is trying to get acces to the root acc of my server |
| 23:11.01 | grindhold | how can i stop hin |
| 23:11.21 | grindhold | and where are the logs to get the attacker's ip ? |
| 23:11.24 | jelly-home | aoliveira: right. you should be able to answer most of these question using google. eg. http://www.softpanorama.org/Internals/unix_system_calls.shtml |
| 23:11.39 | grindhold | i run debian 4.0 |
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| 23:12.05 | aoliveira | jelly-home: you're better than google |
| 23:12.42 | enouf | wonders if he gets paid more than google though :-P |
| 23:12.44 | aoliveira | http://www.softpanorama.org/Internals/unix_system_calls.shtml seems good |
| 23:12.46 | jelly-home | aoliveira: I'm also here to give specific debian advice, not "unix fundamentals" |
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| 23:14.05 | jelly-home | granted, using google is most efficient if you already know what (keywords) to look for |
| 23:14.18 | aoliveira | jelly-home: sry, what channel is better for that kind of question? |
| 23:14.26 | grindhold | i have an urgent problem pls answer someone |
| 23:14.28 | jelly-home | aoliveira: ##linux, likely |
| 23:14.30 | adb | aoliveira: don't ask ppl to read in your place |
| 23:15.07 | newsense | grindhold, ever thought of killing the process ? |
| 23:15.10 | aoliveira | adb: reading the google page? |
| 23:15.20 | jelly-home | grindhold: sshd logs will be in /var/log/auth.log on debian |
| 23:15.20 | adb | like |
| 23:15.28 | newsense | grindhold, than having a look at /var/log/ssshd.log ? |
| 23:15.34 | jelly-home | newsense: what? |
| 23:15.41 | newsense | nm itypo |
| 23:15.48 | newsense | you pegged it |
| 23:15.51 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, can anyone give me any advice on getting shockwave working in #Iceweasel' |
| 23:15.54 | ComradeHaz | ? |
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| 23:16.01 | jelly-home | ah yes, it's easy to typo "auth" as "ssshd" |
| 23:16.15 | newsense | err brain fart ? |
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| 23:16.19 | grindhold | newsense: already tried.. if i killed him, he tries again. i suspect bruteforcing |
| 23:16.22 | aoliveira | i dig up a lot in google but there are some things is better ask to human being that already know that subject |
| 23:16.28 | grindhold | jelly-home: thx! |
| 23:17.00 | jelly-home | grindhold: for ssh password bruteforcing, try eg. /msg dpkg fail2ban |
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| 23:17.20 | aoliveira | who* |
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| 23:20.21 | Clooth | how come a kill doesn't kill a pure-ftpd process :( ? |
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| 23:21.36 | aoliveira | Clooth: ? |
| 23:21.41 | Clooth | Nevermind. :) |
| 23:21.46 | Clooth | I wasn't using the -9 param |
| 23:21.51 | aoliveira | hehe |
| 23:21.56 | grindhold | jelly-home: just installed package fail2ban |
| 23:22.06 | aoliveira | check user aswell |
| 23:22.48 | grindhold | but i don't know the use of it. is it right, that this program blocks logins after more than a specific number of tries from an ip |
| 23:22.57 | grindhold | how may i configure it? |
| 23:23.06 | grindhold | it offers me three commands |
| 23:23.35 | jelly-home | you'll have to figure it out yourself |
| 23:24.00 | Ace2016_- | man might help |
| 23:24.02 | jelly-home | ... try not to lock yousrelf out. |
| 23:24.14 | jelly-home | & |
| 23:26.26 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, can anyone give me any advice on getting shockwave working in 'Iceweasel'? <---- Do I need to elaborate on that at all to prompt a reply? |
| 23:27.01 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: flash? |
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| 23:28.41 | ComradeHaz | yer |
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| 23:29.11 | ComradeHaz | sorry jelly-home needed bathroom :D |
| 23:29.22 | jelly-home | yes he did. |
| 23:31.03 | ComradeHaz | uh, I assume that's not to me? |
| 23:31.16 | Clooth | mv -f = moves folders as well? |
| 23:31.43 | ComradeHaz | http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2007/09/installing-flash-plugin-in-debian.html <--- I tried to follow this, but I fear it's too out of date |
| 23:31.45 | flixil | just mv do the work, -f can be dangerous |
| 23:31.54 | Clooth | ok |
| 23:31.58 | Clooth | what about subfolders |
| 23:32.11 | flixil | mv can be seen as a rename here |
| 23:32.25 | flixil | is not like rm that needs the -r |
| 23:32.31 | flixil | to be recursive |
| 23:32.32 | ComradeHaz | Clooth: just use the last / to denote what you want |
| 23:32.35 | flixil | so move subfolders |
| 23:32.35 | Clooth | how can i move a folder which has files and subfolders then |
| 23:32.48 | flixil | mv folder1 folder2 |
| 23:32.54 | Clooth | mm |
| 23:32.57 | Clooth | alright |
| 23:33.11 | ComradeHaz | just make some files to test on first |
| 23:33.12 | ComradeHaz | :) |
| 23:33.13 | flixil | if you got /folder1/[abc].txt and /folder2/ empty for example |
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| 23:33.24 | ComradeHaz | you'll see soon enough how it behaves |
| 23:33.42 | ComradeHaz | it's qite easy to see what does what but rather harder to explain :) |
| 23:33.58 | flixil | mv... move A B move A to B |
| 23:34.05 | flixil | if B is folder put on B |
| 23:34.11 | flixil | if B is not folder then rename A to be B |
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| 23:34.38 | flixil | ... I feel like explaining... recursive is recursive |
| 23:34.43 | Tramp | holy .... - it takes 1 minute to generate a test-case and just test it. |
| 23:34.55 | ComradeHaz | hmm, guys, please let me know if you're ignoring my question ofr any particular reason... |
| 23:35.23 | flixil | ComradeHaz, haven't seen it :) i was away |
| 23:35.38 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, can anyone give me any advice on getting shockwave working in 'Iceweasel'? |
| 23:36.05 | flixil | ComradeHaz, if i recall correctly installing flashplugin-nonfree was enough |
| 23:36.11 | ComradeHaz | http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2007/09/installing-flash-plugin-in-debian.html <--- I tried to follow this, but I fear it's too out of date |
| 23:36.15 | flixil | are you in testing? |
| 23:36.19 | ComradeHaz | nah |
| 23:36.21 | ComradeHaz | unstable |
| 23:36.27 | Tramp | !flashplugin |
| 23:36.27 | dpkg | hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 23:36.38 | ComradeHaz | and I use non-free |
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| 23:37.28 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: you _could_ just go to www.flash.com and try using their .deb for ubuntu 8.04+ |
| 23:37.45 | ComradeHaz | :S |
| 23:37.51 | ComradeHaz | bit of a nasty solution |
| 23:37.56 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 23:38.19 | flixil | ComradeHaz, read what dpkg said, i used that |
| 23:38.19 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: which debian release? |
| 23:38.28 | ComradeHaz | I will of course if that's the accepted solution |
| 23:38.34 | enouf | !tell ComradeHaz -about adobe flash |
| 23:38.38 | newsense_ | CompWizrd, i extracted the .gz from adobes site, created a ~/.mozilla/plugins/ dir nd moved flashplugin.so there |
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| 23:39.04 | ComradeHaz | it's a bang up to date unstable flixil |
| 23:39.07 | flixil | that's the way to do a user install, not a system one |
| 23:39.15 | newsense_ | i couldnt get the flash from dmm to install |
| 23:39.17 | flixil | ComradeHaz, what do you mean? |
| 23:39.19 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: it's the simplest one and the deb doesn't do anything much with the system (you can check their installation scripts prior to installing if unsure) |
| 23:39.50 | flixil | you can use the flash itself to update after installing as dpkg said |
| 23:39.58 | flixil | update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 23:40.40 | jelly-home | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:40.41 | judd | jelly-home: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
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| 23:40.51 | jelly-home | judd: you suck |
| 23:40.51 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "you" is not a valid command. |
| 23:41.05 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 23:41.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 23:41.23 | jelly-home | !info flashplugin-nonfree sid |
| 23:41.36 | ComradeHaz | well, flixil, I mean I use the unstable repos' with non-free and I just did a full-upgrade |
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| 23:42.00 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1:2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 23:42.46 | ComradeHaz | with regards the "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" I did that, it spews a bit of crap that doesn;t seem particularly helpful about other commands |
| 23:43.07 | ComradeHaz | I have that installed |
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| 23:43.17 | ComradeHaz | btw |
| 23:43.29 | ComradeHaz | aren't flash and shocwave different |
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| 23:43.36 | ComradeHaz | I think flash stuff works |
| 23:43.46 | ComradeHaz | but shockwave doesn't |
| 23:44.09 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: there is no free plugin for director |
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| 23:44.27 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 23:44.28 | dimedo | hi there, is it somehow possible to use my ssh keys to connect to server from a host on which i'm also connected with ssh without copying my private keys to this middle host? (recursive ssh agent) |
| 23:44.29 | ComradeHaz | no |
| 23:44.36 | ComradeHaz | I lie, it doesn;t work |
| 23:45.26 | jelly-home | dimedo: there is agent forwarding. |
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| 23:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also flashplayer-mozilla on debian-multimedia |
| 23:46.02 | dimedo | jelly, how can i set this up? |
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| 23:47.28 | jelly-home | dimedo: man ssh_config, read about ForwardAgent; then use it, or not (depending or whether you trust root on the middle host) |
| 23:48.12 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 23:48.20 | jelly-home | dimedo: there's also a command line option |
| 23:48.22 | ComradeHaz | does it matter that I use 64bit? |
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| 23:54.50 | jetx | whaddup homies |
| 23:54.59 | ComradeHaz | ok, thanks CutMeOwnThroat, I've now got flash working but still not shockwave |
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| 23:55.16 | ComradeHaz | can you shed any light on that? |
| 23:55.24 | ComradeHaz | or indeed anyone alse? |
| 23:56.00 | jetx | !shockwave |
| 23:56.01 | dpkg | Macromedia Shockwave Player is non-free software not available for GNU/Linux. For "Shockwave Flash" (Flash), ask me about flash |
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| 23:56.46 | ComradeHaz | as in not available even from non-free sources? |
| 23:56.48 | ComradeHaz | o.O |
| 23:57.43 | ComradeHaz | what does one do to view the plethora of sites that require it, then?! :O |
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| 23:57.43 | jetx | iirc no but i forget |
| 23:57.43 | jelly-home | what plethora of sites use shockwave director? |
| 23:58.13 | ComradeHaz | oh |
| 23:58.14 | ComradeHaz | wtf |
| 23:58.17 | jetx | most are flash not shockwave eh? |
| 23:58.29 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: you can buy crossover office, it supports and enables usage of windows plugin for shockwave |
| 23:58.50 | ComradeHaz | yer, oddly ther Iceweasel plugin manager was saying I needed shockwave |
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| 23:59.00 | jelly-home | and for some reason it works on Linpus (Acer Aspire One distro) |
| 23:59.14 | ComradeHaz | however, now visiting the same sites on which it said that it loads the flash stuff just fine |
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| 23:59.34 | jelly-home | you needed "shockwave flash" |
| 23:59.50 | ComradeHaz | yeah, it said something like that |
| 23:59.51 | jelly-home | blame adobe for the branding |
| 23:59.57 | ComradeHaz | ahh |
