| 00:00.25 | ComradeHaz | I see what you're saying |
| 00:00.26 | ComradeHaz | ok, so it looks like the package on debian-multimedia is the kiddy |
| 00:00.32 | jetx | die craptomacrobie |
| 00:00.38 | ComradeHaz | for next time someone askes :) |
| 00:00.48 | jelly-home | uses the nonfree adobe .deb |
| 00:00.59 | ComradeHaz | I tried that |
| 00:01.17 | ComradeHaz | it made a fuss when I tried to use dpkg to install it |
| 00:01.44 | jetx | i use the marillat... see also vlc plugin & mplayer plugin |
| 00:01.46 | ComradeHaz | oh |
| 00:01.47 | ComradeHaz | yer |
| 00:01.57 | ComradeHaz | tom@Athena:~$ sudo dpkg -i install_flash_player_10_linux.deb |
| 00:01.57 | ComradeHaz | dpkg: error processing install_flash_player_10_linux.deb (--install): |
| 00:01.57 | ComradeHaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.58 | dpkg | comradehaz: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 00:02.00 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: if by "fuss" you mean "missing dependencies", then "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install" would have dealt with that |
| 00:02.10 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: wrong package |
| 00:02.15 | ComradeHaz | oh? |
| 00:02.27 | ComradeHaz | what should I have got? |
| 00:02.33 | jelly-home | well, obviously the amd64 one |
| 00:02.43 | ComradeHaz | couldn't see that? |
| 00:02.51 | ComradeHaz | I obviously looked |
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| 00:03.05 | jelly-home | huh |
| 00:03.12 | ComradeHaz | http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ |
| 00:04.36 | ComradeHaz | ahh well :) |
| 00:04.39 | ComradeHaz | I'm happy now |
| 00:05.06 | enouf | dumbass :-p |
| 00:05.44 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: I've no idea how they detect the architecture; perhaps they only have the i386 .deb (which would be weird) |
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| 00:06.03 | jelly-home | ... because the amd64 build was recently announced |
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| 00:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | tsk... trying to install i386 packages on amd64 |
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| 00:07.37 | epsas | Hello |
| 00:07.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and calling it "to make a fuss" |
| 00:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, yes, rightfully so |
| 00:08.10 | epsas | fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_headers is taking forever to run (6+ minutes) is this normal? |
| 00:08.31 | infinity_ | epsas: prolly |
| 00:08.50 | infinity_ | i think you have to compile the kerenel to get headers |
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| 00:08.56 | infinity_ | so good luck with that :) |
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| 00:09.04 | epsas | infinity - no. |
| 00:09.15 | epsas | infinity - the headers are only used for compiling other things |
| 00:09.23 | Gnurdux | ComradeHaz, there is a beta version or somesuch of 64-bit Linux flash 10 |
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| 00:11.10 | ComradeHaz | [00:03:42] <enouf> dumbass :-p <--- I resent that |
| 00:11.11 | ComradeHaz | ;) |
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| 00:11.21 | Ace2016_- | a freshly deboostrapped system tried to install citidel server when i asked it to install mdadm, which seems strange |
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| 00:11.52 | ComradeHaz | in my defense though it is approaching cristmas which does place me in a permanent state of inebriation |
| 00:12.06 | epsas | citadel - is that the BBS software? |
| 00:12.14 | peterius | HELP, I really stupidly typed "aptitude -t experimental install kdegames" and ignored when it said it "gnome-core" was unused because I figured it must be an older version, it wouldn't really uninstall my gnome-core... but it did... how do I get it and the other stuff back? |
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| 00:12.32 | enouf | !install gnome |
| 00:12.32 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
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| 00:12.45 | Ace2016_- | petemc: enjoy your kde4 system |
| 00:12.51 | peterius | enouf: but there was a bunch of stuff, eog, evince, stuff that I couldn't believe it would actually uninstall |
| 00:12.57 | peterius | how do I get it all back, like undo everything it did |
| 00:13.00 | enouf | ComradeHaz: i'm teasing, naturally ;-) |
| 00:13.09 | Ace2016_- | well you can always reinstall gnome, your config files are still there |
| 00:13.18 | ComradeHaz | I know :) |
| 00:13.23 | enouf | ComradeHaz: i'm glad i was away doing other stuff during your massive brainfart :-) |
| 00:13.31 | ComradeHaz | pff |
| 00:13.31 | epsas | infinity - hmmm, it was taking so long because of some complicated find & egrep operations |
| 00:13.47 | ComradeHaz | It's not like it gave the option of a 64bit version |
| 00:13.48 | enouf | peterius: restore from backups |
| 00:13.53 | ComradeHaz | so I just forgot :) |
| 00:13.54 | peterius | backups of what? |
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| 00:14.01 | enouf | ComradeHaz: it's not you told us either :-p |
| 00:14.05 | ComradeHaz | I know |
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| 00:14.08 | ComradeHaz | I keep forgetting |
| 00:14.09 | peterius | why would install kdegames uninstall gnome-core... I mean is that like a joke? |
| 00:14.13 | Ace2016_- | peterius: you uninstalled a package, reinstall it |
| 00:14.14 | peterius | and eog and evince and... |
| 00:14.16 | enouf | peterius: what's done is done |
| 00:14.18 | ComradeHaz | only recently moved to 64bit |
| 00:14.26 | peterius | is there a list somewhere of what it just did? |
| 00:14.31 | ComradeHaz | and it keeps biting me in the ass when I least expect it :) |
| 00:14.35 | peterius | like a file of the previous aptitude transaction? |
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| 00:14.42 | peterius | so I know which packages to put back |
| 00:14.43 | Ace2016_- | peterius: yes its in /var/log/ |
| 00:14.45 | enouf | peterius: so long as you didn't use purge, should have conffiles still |
| 00:15.06 | peterius | what the hell is wrong with aptitude that it would do something like that |
| 00:15.14 | Ace2016_- | enouf: if you use purge will it remove config files from the user's home directories? |
| 00:15.34 | Ace2016_- | nvm, dpkg can't possibly track those changes |
| 00:15.42 | enouf | peterius: people that use experimental should be .. er .. more careful, eh? otherwise i'd say report a bug perhaps |
| 00:15.53 | Ace2016_- | peterius: it did, you said you thought it was nothing |
| 00:16.04 | enouf | Ace2016_-: no, the pkg manager should never touch ~/ files |
| 00:16.19 | peterius | so the experimental tag means that it will randomly uninstall unrelated packages? |
| 00:16.27 | enouf | peterius: stop |
| 00:16.38 | Ace2016_- | peterius: no |
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| 00:17.00 | peterius | enouf: well why would it think that I wanted to uninstall gnome-core? |
| 00:17.05 | Ace2016_- | peterius: it only uninstalls if its a conflict or if a new package replaces an old one, i don't see why it would be removed |
| 00:17.10 | enouf | peterius: don't ask me - i don't know |
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| 00:17.17 | Ace2016_- | peterius: read the log |
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| 00:17.21 | Ace2016_- | see what it says |
| 00:17.30 | peterius | I can fix the problem, I see the list of removals in the log, so I can get past this |
| 00:17.57 | peterius | but it still seems like aptitude shouldn't do things like that... or that there's some other problem with my system such that it thinks that gnome-core is "unused" |
| 00:18.02 | enouf | peterius: all i know, is you should learn about certain options to avoid that - like -s and others |
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| 00:18.21 | peterius | enouf: I used -s |
| 00:18.26 | peterius | sorry, no, -t |
| 00:18.27 | peterius | , not -s |
| 00:18.27 | Anna3 | what folder is all the applications i installed? |
| 00:18.39 | enouf | i know |
| 00:18.55 | peterius | enouf: do you know why it thinks gnome-core is unused? |
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| 00:19.53 | enouf | no |
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| 00:23.20 | xxx_ | hi |
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| 00:24.05 | sparr | how can I remove/disqualify/disable a single video mode without creating xorg.conf modelines for all the other automatically-detected modes i want to keep? |
| 00:24.34 | Ace2016_- | peterius: if you installed a kde game that depended on a library which has a new version in experimental which dpkg needed to install then it will install it, but if at the same time a gnome package had a dependancy where the version of one of the dependencies had to be a specific version then the gnome package would be removed because the dep is being upgraded, and so would uninstall the meta package gnome-core. Simple. |
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| 00:25.20 | flixil | Hello, i'm an atheros working card with ath_pci, but i'm unable to use it automagically with ifup and ifdown |
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| 00:25.38 | flixil | This is my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/md7d19e5 |
| 00:25.47 | peterius | Ace2016_-: interesting... but why wouldn't it keep separate copies of the libraries for instance? I mean I guess it just doesn't have support for multiple versions of libraries but shouldn't it? I mean there's a lot of open source apps that depend on different versions of libraries... |
| 00:25.59 | flixil | ifup ath0 says ignoring unkown interface ath0=ath0 |
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| 00:26.18 | EtherNet | hello guys |
| 00:26.33 | EtherNet | is there a way to set pulseaudio to autostart when booting? I have to do a pulseaudio -D everytime I boot the machine |
| 00:26.36 | Galaxor | Hello. I've got a situation -- I don't have /dev/audio or /dev/dsp. Is there a good howto about how to do this correctly? Usually, posts start with the assumption that you've got /dev/audio but no sound is coming out. |
| 00:26.38 | enouf | flixil: what does ifconfig ath0 up say? are you sure that iface name exists? ls /sys/class/net |
| 00:27.05 | enouf | flixil: er, try wlan0 |
| 00:27.10 | stoned | hey! |
| 00:27.13 | stoned | I changed my mind |
| 00:27.18 | stoned | kde4 is awesome |
| 00:27.23 | stoned | debian sucks! |
| 00:27.25 | epsas | anybody using closed-source NV drivers with 2.6.27 ? |
| 00:27.25 | Ace2016_- | peterius: keeping multiple versions of packages would cause a huge mess, it would be far too complicated. If it was simple we would have 64bit libs and 32bit libs side by side, but even that is complex. |
| 00:27.29 | enouf | flixil: and change something in there to the correct name .. |
| 00:27.30 | flixil | ifconfig ath0 up says nothing at all, but ath0 exists |
| 00:27.30 | Galaxor | I started with a debootstrap system, and installed things like alsa-base, linux-sound-base, ... |
| 00:27.34 | jelly-home | Galaxor: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 00:27.40 | flixil | enouf, ? was I so lame? :P |
| 00:27.48 | stoned | :/ rocks... |
| 00:27.54 | stoned | 4.1.3 in experimental |
| 00:28.02 | stoned | and 4.2 is also in aliath |
| 00:28.04 | Ace2016_- | peterius: specific things like gcc have different versions installed but not many things do |
| 00:28.26 | stoned | enouf, kde4 my man |
| 00:28.28 | enouf | !tell Galaxor about soundcheck |
| 00:28.34 | stoned | !tell enouf -about kde4 |
| 00:28.38 | peterius | Ace2016_-: huge mess how? I mean maybe it would, but doesn't each library have version information in its file header? so couldn't ldd keep track of them and load the one specified for a particular app? i.e., that debian could set up ldd to do that? |
| 00:28.44 | stoned | !tell enouf to use kde4 now! |
| 00:28.55 | enouf | stoned: careful .. i started drinking ;-) |
| 00:29.10 | flixil | enouf, in /sys/class/net i got ath0 lo and wifi0 |
| 00:29.25 | stoned | kde4 is awesome man... |
| 00:29.30 | flixil | I tried ifup wlan0 (the name i provided) but got more errors |
| 00:29.32 | adb | stoned: ok |
| 00:29.46 | stoned | adb, you are a kde4 user? |
| 00:29.47 | peterius | restarts X to see the damage |
| 00:29.50 | enouf | flixil: your /etc/network/interfaces looks very incorrect - you only have an allow-hotplug entry for ath0 |
| 00:29.55 | peterius | thanks all the same all, enough Ace2015_- |
| 00:29.57 | adb | stoned: no |
| 00:29.58 | peterius | enouf |
| 00:30.06 | stoned | adb, do you want to try it? |
| 00:30.12 | adb | No |
| 00:30.14 | iratik | Does anyone have a "/etc/auth-client-config" directory? |
| 00:30.16 | stoned | adb, why not? |
| 00:30.22 | iratik | I need a sample example_local profile for auth-client-config |
| 00:30.33 | newsense_ | flixil, maybe change iface wlan0 inet static to iface ath0 ..... |
| 00:30.36 | adb | I use OpenBox |
| 00:30.46 | stoned | boxen wm are nice |
| 00:30.58 | adb | and lite |
| 00:30.59 | stoned | I like flux because of the tabs and other stuff |
| 00:31.12 | enouf | !tell flixil -about interfaces |
| 00:31.19 | enouf | !tell flixil -about resolv.conf |
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| 00:32.20 | flixil | mmm... i was following http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html but i see that no luck |
| 00:32.22 | enouf | iratik: nope - /msg dpkg search |
| 00:32.39 | iratik | That might work too |
| 00:32.42 | flixil | i modified the already generated interfaces i got when i installed the machine |
| 00:32.54 | enouf | we can tell |
| 00:33.00 | Ace2016_- | peterius: but then all apps have to be able to choose which libs to choose rather than using the system default. loading a specific lib for a specific app would require a script to launch before every app and set a number of variables, now when you think of the size of the repo this becomes too complicated |
| 00:33.04 | enouf | do it correctly this time ;-) |
| 00:33.40 | Ace2016_- | which libs to use* |
| 00:33.43 | enouf | Ace2016_-: didn;t he leave? |
| 00:33.53 | Ace2016_- | damn |
| 00:33.54 | flixil | what is the allow-hotplug? it doesn't appear in the debian reference example stanzas |
| 00:34.06 | enouf | Ace2016_-: also .. he might an issue with Auto vs Manually marked pkgs |
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| 00:34.21 | newsense_ | flixil, man interfaces |
| 00:34.28 | Ace2016_- | enouf: i'm trying to avoid that too |
| 00:34.29 | enouf | flixil: it's to allow a linkup, upon hotplug |
| 00:34.47 | enouf | sticks with apt/apt-get |
| 00:35.07 | flixil | enouf, a pci card doesn't hotplug so i guess it's useless? |
| 00:35.11 | Ace2016_- | i'm making a deb command file, in which i store all the apt-get commands i've run that way i know what i've marked myself |
| 00:35.40 | flixil | Ace2016_-, in theory if you use aptitude it's done automagically |
| 00:35.46 | enouf | although - the newer versions are somewhat slower now .. sigh .. it's not that bad ,.. i guess it's the price to pay for the extra added functionality to make it more .. er aptitude-like |
| 00:35.55 | flixil | Ace2016_-, in /var/log/aptitude* |
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| 00:36.15 | enouf | flixil: huh? |
| 00:36.55 | Ace2016_- | why is apt-get trying to install citadel-common citadel-mta citadel-server? i only want mdadm |
| 00:36.57 | enouf | flixil: it's meant so can insert a cat5 cable and ifup the iface |
| 00:37.01 | flixil | enouf, the problem is that in the examples I see eth0 everywhere, but i got 2 interfaces for one card, wifi0 and ath0, so i'm confused |
| 00:37.13 | enouf | flixil: no you don't |
| 00:37.28 | enouf | if you have wlan0 you might also have wmaster0 |
| 00:37.29 | newsense_ | Ace2016_-, debfoster also keeps a list of packages you installed yourself |
| 00:37.47 | enouf | flixil: besides .. don't ask me, i don't do wifi |
| 00:38.03 | flixil | enouf, :) ok thanks anyway |
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| 00:38.22 | Brigo | flixil: look at debian-es :-) |
| 00:38.23 | enouf | flixil: read the wireless-tools docs and such |
| 00:38.29 | enouf | !wireless-tools |
| 00:38.34 | enouf | hrm |
| 00:38.40 | enouf | !wireless |
| 00:38.41 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 00:38.46 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.03 | enouf | see /usr/share/doc/* and the man pages |
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| 00:40.08 | sylarr | does 'xtrapout | grep ress' show you KeyPress events? |
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| 00:40.37 | azote | hello all |
| 00:40.44 | enouf | flixil: some general info http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211 |
| 00:40.55 | azote | if anyone can help me with freenode ?? |
| 00:40.55 | flixil | enouf, i got it :) |
| 00:41.03 | enouf | flixil: you might require a newer kernel - what's cat /proc/version say? |
| 00:41.04 | flixil | i had to do ifconfig ath0 down and then ifup ath0 up |
| 00:41.05 | enouf | ok |
| 00:41.11 | enouf | ... |
| 00:41.15 | azote | i have error when im trying to conect on my nxserver |
| 00:41.22 | azote | http://pastebin.com/m2f3ef758 |
| 00:41.27 | flixil | well... after replacing wifi0 for ath0 on interfaces file |
| 00:41.57 | enouf | azote: try #freenode{-help} maybe |
| 00:42.22 | flixil | enouf, thanks a lot |
| 00:42.47 | enouf | flixil: welcome - heh s/wifi0/wlan0 :-p |
| 00:43.11 | sylarr | azote, hi |
| 00:43.13 | Galaxor | Module snd_pcm_oss not found. |
| 00:43.21 | sylarr | azote, try #nx |
| 00:43.26 | enouf | Galaxor: install asla-utils and alsa-oss |
| 00:43.36 | sylarr | azote, which version is your server |
| 00:43.45 | Galaxor | enouf: already the newest version. |
| 00:43.50 | enouf | Galaxor: which debian version? |
| 00:44.02 | Galaxor | How do I find out? |
| 00:44.05 | enouf | Galaxor: uname -r |
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| 00:44.15 | enouf | Galaxor: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:44.18 | Galaxor | 2.6.24-16-386 |
| 00:44.32 | enouf | er .. 386? |
| 00:44.32 | Galaxor | lenny/sid |
| 00:44.48 | enouf | Galaxor: cat /proc/version |
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| 00:45.07 | adb | hmmm 2.6.24-16-386 lenny ? |
| 00:45.14 | Galaxor | Oh goodness. It's an ubuntu. That might be the problem. |
| 00:45.21 | enouf | there's a -486 adb |
| 00:45.25 | enouf | duh |
| 00:45.33 | enouf | no alsaconf in gnuB00b00 |
| 00:45.45 | jelly-home | rly? |
| 00:45.51 | enouf | rly |
| 00:46.00 | Galaxor | Okay. I will probably have to start over. |
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| 00:46.08 | Galaxor | And find a real debian disk. |
| 00:46.21 | jelly-home | or peruse a different channel |
| 00:46.21 | enouf | jelly-home: there might be a alsaconfig or something, not sure, but definitely no "alsaconf" |
| 00:46.49 | enouf | jelly-home: i learned the hard way after helping in ##linux for a while |
| 00:47.13 | jelly-home | masochistic tendencies |
| 00:47.25 | enouf | so many say "hi, i'm on Debian... " and without me hitting them up for libc6 versions from the getgo |
| 00:48.01 | enouf | jelly-home: haven't fallen offthewagon for months now :-P |
| 00:48.19 | enouf | is in too many other channels |
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| 00:48.23 | Galaxor | Apparently, they feel that their /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base has made alsaconf obsolete. |
| 00:48.35 | Galaxor | Wellllll, I'm gonna have to decide what to do about this. |
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| 00:48.59 | enouf | ..wonderful ... for them - heh |
| 00:49.02 | Galaxor | Get something to gnaw on and go to #ubuntu, or get a debian and start over again. |
| 00:49.15 | enouf | bingo |
| 00:49.31 | enouf | er, not "a debian" |
| 00:49.37 | Galaxor | This is what I get for not asking enough questions at the beginning. |
| 00:49.41 | Galaxor | I mean, "a debian disk". |
| 00:49.44 | enouf | maybe "a debian _release_" :-p |
| 00:50.42 | enouf | showers for upcoming rendevous with babydoll ;-) laterz |
| 00:51.01 | jabis | are there any good php-IDE's out there for debian? |
| 00:51.09 | Galaxor | A friend-o-mine started me off by doing debootstrap onto a usb disk. I saw debootstrap, rather than ubuntubootstrap or whatever, and read too much into it. |
| 00:51.16 | Galaxor | Well, thanks. |
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| 00:51.36 | jelly-home | lol dongs |
| 00:52.18 | jabis | loldongs, my fave ^^ |
| 00:52.21 | sparr | jabis: kdevelop isnt horrible |
| 00:52.56 | adb | anjuta may do php ? |
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| 00:53.14 | jabis | sparr, has it any smart features, like class&function-listing for projects or something |
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| 00:54.25 | jabis | and of course sftp connection would be hot |
| 00:54.49 | tame | do i need ALL four dvds to install on a powerpc? that seems like an awful lot of software |
| 00:55.06 | adb | !netinstall |
| 00:55.06 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 00:55.40 | tame | i hope that wasnt fo me |
| 00:55.45 | adb | tame: ^^^ |
| 00:55.49 | tame | as it doesnt even apply to what im asking |
| 00:56.15 | tame | i dont use netinstalls on any machine. but this one in particular is a power pc |
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| 00:57.45 | adb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-40r5-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 00:57.56 | tame | just seems like 17-18 gb of data is a lot. was wondering if that is what it takes to have a decent running apple |
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| 01:12.00 | sylarr | does 'xtrapout | grep leas' show you KeyRlease events? |
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| 01:19.16 | stoned | flac |
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| 01:21.29 | adb | Warning: Can't load DEC-XTRAP extension; xtrapout: could not initialize XTrap extension |
| 01:21.39 | adb | sylarr: ^^ |
| 01:23.08 | sylarr | adb, maybe I installed xtap |
| 01:23.26 | adb | me ? |
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| 01:24.26 | adb | ii libxtrap6 |
| 01:24.42 | sylarr | adb, xbase-clients |
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| 01:25.31 | adb | install libxtrap6 |
| 01:26.26 | adb | xbase-clients does not exist here |
| 01:26.56 | adb | maybe libwxbase2.6-0 |
| 01:27.37 | sylarr | I have libxtrap6 and xbase-clients packages installed |
| 01:28.03 | sylarr | and libwxbase2.6-0 too |
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| 01:30.10 | adb | well xbase-clients is not installed here, sorry |
| 01:30.32 | sylarr | k |
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| 01:31.37 | sylarr | adb, thanks for trying to help :) |
| 01:31.58 | adb | you are welcome |
| 01:32.07 | sylarr | :) |
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| 01:41.43 | multi_io | why does my debian menu contain both an "Applications" and an "Apps" sub-menu? |
| 01:42.38 | multi_io | some kind of dissonance between Debian developers? |
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| 01:48.57 | karsten | multi_io: Hrm. It's part of the menu subsystem. |
| 01:49.23 | karsten | multi_io: I don't see "apps". GNOME or KDE? |
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| 01:53.15 | multi_io | karsten: xfce |
| 01:53.20 | multi_io | xfce4 |
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| 01:54.01 | buu | Ok, so I used dpkg-reconfigure locales; to select and generate locales. I generated en_GB.UTF-8 and selected it as my default thingy. The value of /etc/default/locale is LANG=en_GB.utf8 |
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| 01:54.08 | buu | But when I launch a new shell, $LANG is still en_US |
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| 01:54.43 | stew | buu: LANG is set upon logging in by pam |
| 01:55.34 | buu | stew: Yes! Apparently bash --login isn't really a login shell. |
| 01:55.50 | stew | buu: it is, but it doesn't involve pam |
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| 01:56.25 | buu | stew: =[ |
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| 01:56.35 | buu | stew: Is there anyway to force my screen spawned shells to respect the new value? |
| 01:57.22 | jdrake | It is approaching time for a software review of the server a group of us use. We are currently on debian etch, and I am curious if there is any talk about when a lenny release might be. I know some in the group would be hesitant to upgrade to lenny while many updates are being performed. |
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| 01:59.16 | stew | buu: you can edit your .screenrc |
| 01:59.28 | stew | buu: or .bashrc |
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| 02:00.38 | jhambo | hey folks, I'm trying to use my xbox gamepad (it's actually a madcatz microcon) but when I plug it in, I see "hub 1-1:1.0: config failed, hub has too many ports! (err -19)" in dmesg and I cant configure the controler with kcontrol. Any idea how to get this working???? |
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| 02:03.04 | multi_io | don't the package maintainers decide into which menu to put their applications? |
| 02:04.33 | multi_io | karsten: if you want/can, install "stellarium" from testing. It ends up in the menu under Apps/Science |
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| 02:08.51 | spinodal | if i try to go to cbs's classics site and watch flash vids, i get a message that says i need to install adobe flash player 9 |
| 02:08.59 | spinodal | yet i'm running lenny and have the latest flashplugin installed, and i can watch flash vids on other sites (e.g., youtube) |
| 02:09.06 | spinodal | any ideas why i can't play flash on cbs's site? |
| 02:09.36 | jhambo | What is "the kernels hid quirks list"?? |
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| 02:10.47 | ELPC | Hello |
| 02:10.52 | aiuw | !flash | spinodal |
| 02:11.12 | ELPC | I need help to put gnome in french |
| 02:11.15 | spinodal | i thought it might be a user-agent thing |
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| 02:30.15 | legis | How can I migrate 20 users from one box to another? without creating each user again |
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| 02:30.44 | lostson | im using debian lenny anyone have mugshot installed on lenny and if so how did you do it ? |
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| 02:32.07 | aoliveira__ | i've updated the kernel and now i cant boot the system more |
| 02:32.53 | adb | lostson: mugshot ? |
| 02:33.21 | lostson | its a application that lets you tie into the mugshot social network |
| 02:33.24 | nkuttler | legis: depends on your setup, probably involves some scripting |
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| 02:34.18 | aoliveira__ | help http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorfd8.jpg |
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| 02:34.27 | Shovi | i insstalled debian on a usb hd, then installed grub on it too, but when i boot from the usb hard drive, i get error 22 for grub |
| 02:34.29 | Shovi | how do i fix this |
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| 02:34.40 | adb | lostson: thx |
| 02:35.12 | metalx1000 | Hello, I've used a program called evrouter in the pass to get input from devices such as /dev/event0. But, I've realized it is never in any of the repositories for any distro I've used, which makes me think there is something better out there I don't know about. |
| 02:35.26 | metalx1000 | does anyone know of any other program like it |
| 02:35.36 | metalx1000 | here is more info on evrouter http://www.bedroomlan.org/~alexios/coding_evrouter.html |
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| 02:36.09 | metalx1000 | basicly anything with buttons and be set to run commands or send keys to a program |
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| 02:38.21 | aoliveira__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:42.35 | Shovi | i insstalled debian on a usb hd, then installed grub on it too, but when i boot from the usb hard drive, i get error 22 for grub |
| 02:42.42 | Shovi | can someone help me fix this |
| 02:44.51 | KiDFlaSh | how can i choose a standard, desktop enviroment? |
| 02:44.54 | KiDFlaSh | in shell |
| 02:45.03 | KiDFlaSh | i forgot how |
| 02:46.23 | adb | Shovi: google "error 22 for grub" |
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| 02:50.26 | dandc | when I installed my netinst system, it didn't have internet access. Now there's a huge number of broken packages.... how can I fix this? |
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| 02:51.00 | itrebal | whats the difference between "Internet Hots" and "Internet Host with Smarthost" on the postfix setup? |
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| 02:51.23 | adb | KiDFlaSh: update-alternatives --help |
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| 02:51.42 | dandc | itrebal: smarthost means it uses something else for mail delivery |
| 02:52.25 | itrebal | ie: unless I have specific plans, use just "internet host"? |
| 02:52.51 | dandc | exactly, itrebal. you can always use dpkg-reconfigure later =) |
| 02:52.59 | itrebal | ah :) |
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| 02:54.23 | umarzuki | hi, how do i recover a directory which had been formatted twice and used for awhile? |
| 02:54.37 | umarzuki | installed program and all |
| 02:56.05 | nullboy | .... |
| 02:56.09 | nullboy | umarzuki: you don't |
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| 02:56.25 | umarzuki | not even photorec? |
| 02:56.37 | nullboy | not even. |
| 02:56.50 | nullboy | umarzuki: next time make backups or don't format it in the first place |
| 02:56.50 | umarzuki | then i'll have to get ready with my resignation letter :( |
| 02:56.55 | nullboy | yeah you better |
| 02:57.04 | nullboy | that's what you get ofr not having backups |
| 02:58.04 | newsense | nullboy, know of any good docs on backing up an entire drive while were on the topic ? |
| 02:58.16 | nullboy | i use rsync and i also use dd |
| 02:58.29 | newsense | nullboy, never backup but might start now |
| 02:58.34 | umarzuki | try clonezilla |
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| 02:58.57 | newsense | ill lookinto all 3 thanks |
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| 02:59.46 | nullboy | i rsync to my whole disk over to a RAID server, excluding things like proc, tmp, dev, sys, /var/tmp, /var/run, mnt, media, lost+found |
| 02:59.53 | nullboy | i also use dd to do whole disk images |
| 03:00.05 | aiuw | How do you open tar.bz2 files? I thought it was tar jxvf filename.tar.bz2 ... |
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| 03:00.26 | nullboy | aiuw: tar xvf file.tar.bz2 will do it |
| 03:00.31 | aiuw | ok |
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| 03:00.32 | beardy | aiuw: man tar |
| 03:00.36 | beardy | No, it will not. |
| 03:00.42 | nullboy | beardy: yes, it will |
| 03:00.50 | beardy | nullboy: No, it will not. |
| 03:00.53 | nullboy | yes, it will |
| 03:01.00 | aiuw | Moot argument |
| 03:01.01 | aiuw | :) |
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| 03:01.37 | beardy | Probably still Sunday where he is. |
| 03:01.53 | nullboy | tar xvf works just fine on bzip'd tarred file with tar (GNU tar) 1.16.1 |
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| 03:04.34 | newsense | guessing im not going to find clonezilla in official repos |
| 03:04.34 | newsense | ill try dd i guess |
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| 03:05.13 | nullboy | newsense: don't try to dd a live filesystem. you need to use dd on a non-running filesystem |
| 03:05.18 | newsense | nullboy, so rsync for remote backup and dd for local ? |
| 03:05.21 | nullboy | no |
| 03:05.31 | nullboy | rsync will do remote or local copies |
| 03:05.40 | nullboy | dd can be used for full disk imaging |
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| 03:10.32 | shze | i did an upgrade today, and it got "Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...\n /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27.7-sh-pentiumm does not exist. Cannot update." |
| 03:10.47 | shze | but this kernel is not installed anymore. how do i get this solved? |
| 03:11.00 | newsense | nullboy, thanks |
| 03:11.18 | stoned | $>glxinfo |
| 03:11.19 | stoned | name of display: :0.0 |
| 03:11.19 | stoned | Segmentation fault |
| 03:11.20 | Shovi | what do i type to connect to my wireless network? |
| 03:11.24 | stoned | :( |
| 03:11.57 | adb | stoned: kde 4 ? |
| 03:12.11 | stoned | $>glxinfo|grep dir |
| 03:12.11 | stoned | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 03:12.13 | stoned | adb, yes |
| 03:12.21 | adb | voila ... |
| 03:12.42 | stoned | it works fine under radon DRI |
| 03:12.46 | stoned | just not under fglrx |
| 03:12.49 | stoned | has nothing to do with kde. |
| 03:12.56 | stoned | I'm using fglrx from svn trunk. |
| 03:12.57 | newsense | nullboy, any docs you point me to for restoring from a full disk image, just curious im reading on google now but thought you might know of something |
| 03:13.21 | nullboy | newsense: you can use dd to create an image and use dd to restore it |
| 03:13.22 | adb | stoned: ah , i see |
| 03:13.39 | stoned | adb, don't be too quick to diss KDE :) |
| 03:14.12 | adb | sure , i'll wait |
| 03:14.14 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I tried a complete reinstall thinking maybe I did something wrong when I installed Debian Lenny via 'expert mode', but even using my tried and true install method I'm still having the same problem. Namely, I can't blacklist modules anymore. |
| 03:14.34 | oOarthurOo | Here is my blacklist.local file, and here is the output of when I try and update initramfs http://pastebin.com/d48e5e53a |
| 03:14.53 | nullboy | newsense: create: "dd if=/dev/sourcedevicewithoutpartitionnumber of=/imagefilename.bin" restore: dd if=imagefilename.bin of=/dev/newdisknamenopartitionumber |
| 03:15.02 | adb | !blacklist |
| 03:15.02 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 03:15.16 | nullboy | newsense: again, do not do that on a running system. |
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| 03:15.36 | Chewy | how do I kick someone off my server remotely? They are still logged in. |
| 03:15.38 | oOarthurOo | Yeah.. adb those are the instructions I'm following. I've also confirmed that I don't have the modules.conf files common on other nix systems that would override these settings. |
| 03:15.41 | Chewy | Not sure how to end their session. |
| 03:15.59 | oOarthurOo | The initramfs image isn't being created properly. |
| 03:16.07 | oOarthurOo | And this is a clean install. |
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| 03:17.18 | oOarthurOo | I think it has something to do with this part of the error "2.6.26-12 was configured last, according to dpkg", when according to uname -r I am running 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 03:19.57 | liable | Chewy: kill their login shell |
| 03:21.20 | adb | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 03:21.20 | judd | adb: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 03:22.06 | shze | has anybody seen initramfs-tool install fail upgrade with "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.27.7-sh-pentiumm does not exist. Cannot update." with this being an earlier removed kernel (reboot between removal and upgrade)? how do i solve that? |
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| 03:23.51 | adb | shze: -2.6.27.7-sh-pentiumm is not a debian kernel |
| 03:24.11 | oOarthurOo | shze: I'm currently having problems using initramfs-tool which is complaining about a non-existent kernel too. Are you running Lenny with the latest updates? |
| 03:24.54 | flypiper | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.08 | shze | adb: true, but it is a normal deb and was build using kernel-package, so it should work |
| 03:25.25 | adb | or not |
| 03:25.50 | shze | oOarthurOo: most of it is lenny, but I tried the sid version, and it gives the same error (0.92n and 0.02m) |
| 03:26.02 | shze | 0.92m* |
| 03:26.09 | deadcat | when i am in lynx, how do i save the content? like -dump, but i have to be in lynx |
| 03:26.13 | shze | adb: why not? |
| 03:26.16 | KiDFlaSh | i want to, kill a button |
| 03:26.19 | KiDFlaSh | how can i do iit? |
| 03:26.40 | KiDFlaSh | its 0xae |
| 03:26.53 | deadcat | KiDFlaSh: kill a what button? |
| 03:27.05 | KiDFlaSh | delete it |
| 03:27.16 | KiDFlaSh | so my system dont know it anymre |
| 03:27.26 | deadcat | delete a key from keyboard? |
| 03:27.31 | KiDFlaSh | yes |
| 03:27.46 | deadcat | KiDFlaSh: xmodmap |
| 03:27.46 | KiDFlaSh | because i have a lot of trouble with that key |
| 03:27.55 | KiDFlaSh | but i cant use it |
| 03:28.02 | KiDFlaSh | i dont know how |
| 03:28.08 | KiDFlaSh | to find the right button |
| 03:28.21 | deadcat | KiDFlaSh: xrdb |
| 03:28.43 | KiDFlaSh | whats that? |
| 03:28.58 | oOarthurOo | well... I just tried update-initramfs -utv so I'm gonna reboot and see if that did anything |
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| 03:29.16 | KiDFlaSh | im total beginner |
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| 03:29.41 | KiDFlaSh | and i tried google but i cant find no hel |
| 03:29.42 | KiDFlaSh | p |
| 03:30.58 | deadcat | KiDFlaSh: man xmodmap and serach for remove |
| 03:31.34 | deadcat | KiDFlaSh: if you want to know the key, use xrdb, then hit that key, it will show the value. thats all i can tell you. |
| 03:32.32 | KiDFlaSh | xrdb dont work |
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| 03:34.05 | KiDFlaSh | deadcat, http://www.nopaste.com/p/aN38JF87n |
| 03:34.08 | KiDFlaSh | thats my output |
| 03:35.22 | KiDFlaSh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.38 | deadcat | KiDFlaSh: i dont know. give it a try |
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| 03:36.08 | Chewy | how do I kick someone off my server remotely? They are still logged in. |
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| 03:36.45 | deadcat | KiDFlaSh: i only use xmodmap to remove the caps lock button |
| 03:36.57 | deadcat | Chewy: slay |
| 03:36.59 | KiDFlaSh | how you do that? |
| 03:37.09 | deadcat | KiDFlaSh: xmodmap -e "remove Lock = Caps_Lock" |
| 03:37.20 | Chewy | thanks deadcat |
| 03:37.30 | Chewy | or not |
| 03:37.31 | Chewy | doesnt work |
| 03:37.32 | Chewy | D: |
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| 03:37.36 | Chewy | guess i need apt-get install slay? |
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| 03:37.42 | deadcat | Chewy: ya |
| 03:37.53 | KiDFlaSh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.55 | KiDFlaSh | ? |
| 03:38.00 | superjet_busy | Chewy: kill his terminal |
| 03:38.11 | Chewy | i already did |
| 03:38.12 | Chewy | no processes were running |
| 03:38.14 | Chewy | which was odd |
| 03:38.29 | deadcat | Chewy: check via ps -ef |grep userid |
| 03:38.29 | Chewy | userdel: user phonzie is currently logged in |
| 03:38.32 | Chewy | o.0 |
| 03:38.47 | Chewy | only root |
| 03:38.56 | KiDFlaSh | giu@noname:~$ xmodmap -e "remove 0xae" |
| 03:38.56 | KiDFlaSh | xmodmap: commandline:1: bad remove modifier input line |
| 03:38.56 | KiDFlaSh | xmodmap: 1 error encountered, aborting. |
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| 03:39.56 | KiDFlaSh | i think im to stupid for that... |
| 03:40.00 | KiDFlaSh | gn8 i go sleep |
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| 03:43.42 | tengulre | wich package contain 'no' command? |
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| 03:51.42 | jelly-home | tengulre: opposite of 'yes'? |
| 03:53.45 | tengulre | |/bin/bash: no: command not found |
| 03:54.23 | stoned | abababird bird bird! |
| 03:54.26 | stoned | the bird is the word! |
| 03:54.39 | stoned | hey jelly at home, the bird is the word |
| 03:54.47 | stoned | hey cat who is dead, the bird is the word |
| 03:55.02 | stoned | don't you know about the bird, everybody knows that the bird is the word |
| 03:55.07 | stoned | abababird bird bird |
| 03:55.45 | adb | stoned: is ... bird |
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| 03:57.46 | lostson | stoned: must be watching that family guy episode |
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| 04:01.17 | stoned | =D |
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| 04:09.17 | JordiGH | Someone running KDE 3.5, could I ask a question about how the unclutter windows thing works there? |
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| 04:09.45 | oOarthurOo | I'm having some trouble pinning debian multimedia lower than my default repos. I updated my system, then added debian multimedia and tried to pin lower, but aptitude shows 4 updates to packages now from the multimedia repo. I don't want to replace files from their... I just want it to be able to install and update some stuff like w32, msttcorefonts, adobe flash, etc. |
| 04:10.22 | enouf | oOarthurOo: apt-cache policy <-- pastebin |
| 04:10.22 | hooya | anyone know of a way to nicely search the documentation installed locally? any existing package that would work as a search engine for use from say firefox? |
| 04:10.51 | nullboy | JordiGH: it seems to me like it doesn't help anything at all |
| 04:10.58 | JordiGH | hooya: Which documentation? |
| 04:11.05 | enouf | hooya: see the lg pkgs - most docs are in /usr/share/doc/* use dpkg -L <pkgname> | less |
| 04:11.09 | hooya | /usr/share/doc for starters |
| 04:11.13 | JordiGH | nullboy: I coded this up; does it look better? http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/unclutter-1.png |
| 04:11.29 | enouf | hooya: dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc (even) |
| 04:11.53 | hooya | enouf: that's not what i meant though. |
| 04:11.54 | JordiGH | (it's a mockup right now, but my idea seemed to work in the code) |
| 04:11.59 | enouf | man dpkg, and /msg dpkg search |
| 04:12.13 | enouf | hooya: well .. i have no idea what you mean then |
| 04:12.14 | oOarthurOo | http://pastebin.com/d1da49245 |
| 04:12.30 | JordiGH | hooya: Each package can have the documentation in many different formats, docbook, HTML, pdf, plaintext.. |
| 04:12.59 | enouf | oOarthurOo: who asked for that? not me! |
| 04:13.02 | hooya | enouf: i remember a while back i did something with htdig so that i could search the local documentation much like what 'google desktop' does. any progress on that? |
| 04:13.05 | stew | oOarthurOo: "man apt_preferences" |
| 04:13.48 | hooya | enouf: about 8 years ago as far as i recall. |
| 04:14.02 | stew | oOarthurOo: its not possible to pin based on address afaik |
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| 04:14.14 | stew | oOarthurOo: and origin is explicitly not an address, "What follows the "Origin:" tag in a Release file is not an Internet address" |
| 04:14.31 | enouf | hooya: i make use of dlocate, not sure what you mean |
| 04:14.46 | stew | oOarthurOo: you can probably pin on the Origin that comes from the release file with a "release o=" instead |
| 04:14.59 | hooya | well, let me try that again: is there a 'google desktop' equivalent that would index the *contents* from various documentation files on the local system? |
| 04:15.08 | oOarthurOo | stew: I've been basing my work on this page: http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html |
| 04:15.24 | enouf | oOarthurOo: did you ever resolve your blacklist issues ? if so, how? |
| 04:15.43 | enouf | !tell oOarthurOo -about pinning |
| 04:15.45 | hooya | enouf: dlocate, AFAIK, allows searching for *filename*. not the contents. |
| 04:15.47 | stew | oOarthurOo: ok |
| 04:16.06 | enouf | hooya: contents? what? use a search term |
| 04:16.25 | enouf | hooya: it's a database though = that's just faster than dpkg -S |
| 04:16.37 | enouf | hooya: otherwise see apt-file |
| 04:16.43 | hooya | eh? dlocate does contents? i thought it was just filenames |
| 04:17.22 | oOarthurOo | enouf: Somewhat. I found a different command to update the initramfs image than the one that dpkg gives me here... after running it I no longer got that strange error messsage complaining abotu a kernel version I don't have installed. Upon reboot everything I blacklist wasn't loaded, except for the cpufreq_conservative / powersave / status / userspace modules. There must be some later process loading those modules, after the boot |
| 04:17.39 | AliTarihi_ | anyone installed w32codecs on debian x86_64? |
| 04:18.13 | hooya | enouf: wait. what i want to search for is something like "postgresql alter syntax". not "dpkg -L postgresql | grep doc" |
| 04:19.29 | liable | AliTarihi_: i dont think they work on 64 do they? |
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| 04:20.37 | enouf | hooya: learn grep and it's variants rgrep and egrep |
| 04:20.44 | AliTarihi_ | liable: I don't know |
| 04:20.53 | enouf | !tell hooya -about using find |
| 04:21.22 | enouf | oOarthurOo: you found? i told you about update-initramfs, did you use that? |
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| 04:22.44 | enouf | hooya: grep -E == egrep and grep -r{-R} == rgrep |
| 04:23.07 | JordiGH | AliTarihi: Uh, w64codecs, surely? |
| 04:23.10 | enouf | oOarthurOo: might be something related to "laptop-mode" ? |
| 04:23.16 | oOarthurOo | enouf: If that's the same one in the dpkg blacklist ... then it didn't work. But there was another one on google with some strange debugging symbols that worked. |
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| 04:23.21 | enouf | oOarthurOo: /msg dpkg laptop ? |
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| 04:23.49 | enouf | oOarthurOo: debugging symbols? wtf are you talking about? |
| 04:23.57 | enouf | oOarthurOo: cat /proc/version |
| 04:24.01 | superjet_busy | hi, why blootbot can't use proxy just go directly into web, i've `set httpProxy http://127.0.0.1:8118` |
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| 04:24.36 | oOarthurOo | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 |
| 04:24.38 | SJr|Nbook | Hmmmmm back in early september I was running Samba 3.0.x and some antiquated debian distro, like 3.0r1 in unstable. I decided to take the hit and did a full dist upgrade. After this I noticed (perhaps coincidentally) that when streaming movies via Samba they seem to pause for a while, and I can't figure out why. |
| 04:24.48 | SJr|Nbook | Suggestions? |
| 04:24.59 | enouf | oOarthurOo: i have the same kernel installed and NO ipv5 issues |
| 04:24.59 | SJr|Nbook | I tried downgrading samba, but to no luck |
| 04:25.23 | oOarthurOo | enouf: I don't think I have ipv5 issues either. Misdirected? |
| 04:25.27 | enouf | oOarthurOo: er ipv6 nor whatever else was annoying you |
| 04:25.45 | enouf | oOarthurOo: don't be a dumbass please |
| 04:26.12 | enouf | oOarthurOo: which modules were you trying to blacklist? |
| 04:26.20 | enouf | ipv6 and? |
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| 04:27.00 | oOarthurOo | Thanks enouf, but I'd rather not get it solved than take your abuse in trying to figure out why some modules are being loaded. |
| 04:27.17 | enouf | oOarthurOo: are you running etch? and a backports.org kernel? i can see some wierd issues arising from that vs a Lenny install |
| 04:27.31 | enouf | oOarthurOo: no abuse .. just asking for clarity |
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| 04:28.24 | enouf | oOarthurOo: if you can't realize that ipv5 is a typo then yes .. you are not someone i want to help fusther |
| 04:28.41 | enouf | further* |
| 04:28.54 | hooya | enouf: i keep saying grep and locate are not what i'm looking for and yet you keep telling me about grep. i'm looking to *index* the *contents* of files not the filenames. |
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| 04:29.27 | enouf | hooya: interesting ... sounds like you want some sort of database |
| 04:29.46 | dondelelcaro | well, there is an IPv5, but... |
| 04:29.58 | enouf | hooya: do you realize the power of gnu find combined with grep? |
| 04:30.01 | hooya | anyone else know of a good way to be able to search the *contents* of the documentation that is installed locally? |
| 04:30.11 | hooya | enouf: yeah. about 15 years ago. |
| 04:30.24 | enouf | dondelelcaro: are you kidding me? omg .. never would've guessed |
| 04:30.25 | dondelelcaro | hooya: hyperestraier and similar reverse hashmaps are teh general way to go |
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| 04:30.58 | dondelelcaro | hooya: strigi-daemon is an example that uses hyperestraier; there are probably others out there |
| 04:31.20 | enouf | hooya: for programmers there are other various options, such is one; http://www.gnu.org/software/idutils/ |
| 04:31.35 | dondelelcaro | (there's also the various xapian bits) |
| 04:31.53 | enouf | hooya: i can search the kernel source very easily and effectively using find + grep |
| 04:32.08 | dondelelcaro | (like recoll) |
| 04:32.15 | enouf | hooya: 9 Million lines of code - whatcha searchin? |
| 04:32.38 | jelly-home | prefers lxr.linux.no |
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| 04:32.55 | enouf | jelly-home: too easy for nebs |
| 04:33.13 | enouf | jelly-home: no idea what it means to "install source" |
| 04:33.24 | enouf | er s/nebs/newbs |
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| 04:34.11 | mohadib | i have two xorg.conf files i use, one for 3 displays, the other for running one display. The latter I use for playing games |
| 04:34.26 | enouf | jelly-home: much earlier, were you referring to "alsaconf" or .. my comment about -386 vs -486 kernel versions? |
| 04:34.46 | jelly-home | enouf: I don't remember what you're talking about, sorry |
| 04:34.48 | mohadib | X sees my main monitor as being the one on the far left, I would like the center monitor to be the main one when only using one disply |
| 04:35.01 | enouf | jelly-home: no prob, not important |
| 04:35.05 | mohadib | i have to unplug the first monitor to get the center monitor to be the active one |
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| 04:35.18 | hooya | what i'm looking to do is index the contents of /usr/share/doc (among others) and somehow hook it up with firefox search feature (a local search engine, if you will). i vaguely recall being able to do that (almost) with htdig years ago. i was hoping that with all the docs available for local install i wouldn't have to google and just be able to search my local system instead. |
| 04:35.22 | mohadib | any idea how i could achive this just via the config file? |
| 04:35.49 | enouf | jelly-home: just thought i'd try to clarify .. you said "oh rly?" and i responed "rly" |
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| 04:36.22 | jelly-home | nowai! |
| 04:36.23 | enouf | responded* |
| 04:36.27 | enouf | wai! |
| 04:37.42 | superjet_busy | hoopy: dwww |
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| 04:38.13 | hooya | superjet_busy: i think that was it! thanks |
| 04:38.31 | superjet_busy | hoopy: np |
| 04:38.46 | jelly-home | enouf: oh that was about ubuntu's lack of alsaconf, right |
| 04:40.10 | enouf | right = pm to remind you? |
| 04:40.17 | enouf | jelly-home: ? |
| 04:41.29 | enouf | jelly-home: ok ... jelly-home is away: I'm busy |
| 04:41.45 | oOarthurOo | I think I've found the problem with my pinning attempts. I was using a mirror "deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/debian/debian-multimedia/ stable main" but the examples that I was working from just said "Pin: origin www.debian-multimedia.org " ... so I tried to guess what that would be for my mirror "www.gulus.usherbrooke.ca" but that wasn't working. So I just switched to the primary mirror and copy and pasted the exampl |
| 04:42.07 | mohadib | anyone? http://pastebin.com/m48823a50 |
| 04:42.15 | oOarthurOo | So two problems I think... one solved one avoided. |
| 04:42.32 | stew | oOarthurOo: did you read what I was writing before? the manpage explicitly says that origin shouldn't be an address |
| 04:42.34 | jelly-home | enouf: right as in "I remember now" |
| 04:42.56 | oOarthurOo | stew: That didn't mean much to me. I still don't understand what that means. |
| 04:43.15 | stew | oOarthurOo: you can't do what you want to do with origin |
| 04:43.20 | enouf | jelly-home: np |
| 04:44.22 | hooya | superjet_busy: that even came with the firefox plugin for searching! that's really cool! |
| 04:44.28 | oOarthurOo | stew: Ok.. that much I understood. But if I understood what it meant I probably would've been able to translate the address of the mirror into an origin that apt would understand. |
| 04:44.49 | jelly-home | the pinning manuals are painful |
| 04:44.52 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 04:44.53 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 04:45.02 | sylarr | anyone have xtrap? |
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| 04:45.06 | sylarr | anyone have xtrapout? |
| 04:45.36 | enouf | oOarthurOo: i still want confirmation on your "blacklist" issues .. i think you've shown yoru're running a Debian kernel .. but i don't knwo for sure you installed "debian" to start |
| 04:46.11 | superjet_busy | hoopy: hehe, you'd better install info2www man2html then almost all the document can be found in browser :) |
| 04:46.25 | stew | oOarthurOo: i'd recommend using the Label: or the Origin: lines from the Release file of the repository you are trying to pin, but note that the Origin in the Release file doesn't have anything to do with the "origin" keyword in the preferences file |
| 04:47.01 | hooya | yeah. that's what i remember using many years ago. obviously firefox wasn't around then. so, i had to bookmark and use the built in search form. |
| 04:47.14 | oOarthurOo | enouf: I did a clean install of Lenny about 1 hour ago. I was around even earlier than that after having done a clean lenny install this morning. But this morning I chose expert mode install, so I figured my new problems blacklisting (abrotman helped me a week ago with a similar problem) was because I messed something up. |
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| 04:48.50 | oOarthurOo | enouf: At the moment, blacklisting is working. Every module but a few are no longer being loaded. I think these are getting loaded by some later process. None of this is mission criticial since they're not being removed because they cause problems. They're being removed because I don't use them. And I try to keep as little running / installed as possible. |
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| 04:49.36 | yonkeltron | i'm struggling to figure out how to make kdesudo the default instead of kdesu but i can't see anything in update-alternative |
| 04:49.37 | yonkeltron | s |
| 04:49.43 | oOarthurOo | stew: I'll take a look at that. Thx. |
| 04:50.51 | adb | oOarthurOo: df -h , does what ? |
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| 04:51.18 | itrebal | I'm having an issue with setting up courier/clam/etc: http://pasteninja.com/paste/1362 |
| 04:51.26 | itrebal | rather, I guess this one is purely clamav |
| 04:51.39 | itrebal | courier, rather |
| 04:51.42 | dondelelcaro | oOarthurOo: there's generally no point in blacklisting modules unless you absolutely have to keep them from running |
| 04:52.17 | dondelelcaro | oOarthurOo: they won't be loaded unless you've got the hardware, and it's not like they do much if you don't use them |
| 04:53.00 | stoned | hey |
| 04:53.12 | itrebal | the error also came up when doing /etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl start too |
| 04:53.34 | stoned | why does loading dri in xorg.conf cause a problem with fglrx loding fine but not displaying any 3d stuff |
| 04:53.46 | stoned | I take out the load dri and it works fine, same with the radeon driver |
| 04:53.46 | oOarthurOo | adb: I'm not sure. Is that from the command I posted earlier... way earlier? dondelelcaro ... well.. it saves me 8MB, probably all ipv6, but still. And the only reason I bother to do more than one is because I do have to blacklist psmouse because my touchpad is borked... so I like to have it disabled rather than loading a driver (synaptics) to turn it off. |
| 04:53.50 | stoned | radeon/radeonhd |
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| 04:55.13 | roe_ | anyone know if debian.lcs.mit.edu is having some issues? |
| 04:56.04 | stoned | roe_, no |
| 04:56.17 | stoned | roe_, if mirror A doesn't work, use mirror B |
| 04:56.25 | stoned | and C, and D.. and so forth |
| 05:00.39 | adb | stoned: how many mirrors debian has ? |
| 05:01.01 | stoned | shit loads |
| 05:01.07 | stoned | !mirror |
| 05:01.07 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 05:43.25 | charlie- | is there any way to make apt-get/aptitude not require you to confirm and say "y"? by means of a command line option mabye? |
| 05:44.06 | craigevil | apt-get install package -y |
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| 05:46.42 | charlie- | craigevil, will that work with upgrade too |
| 05:47.02 | craigevil | yes i use it when i do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:47.07 | Mxldr | hi |
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| 05:47.30 | Mxldr | anyone here? |
| 05:47.41 | craigevil | always a good idea to do apt-get upgrade -yd first to see what is going to be upgraded just in case something want to be removed |
| 05:48.18 | Mxldr | hi |
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| 05:48.23 | Mxldr | who is here? |
| 05:48.36 | Guerin | Mxldr: /who |
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| 05:49.59 | stoned | yo |
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| 05:52.22 | jesselang | Howdy folks. I can't seem to finish a DVD write with lenny. I previously had Ubuntu installed, and the writer worked fine. Could anyone offer some help? |
| 05:54.05 | jesselang | Wait, it just finished. It took forever. The image is < 100mb. |
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| 06:13.04 | deniz_ | jesselang, if u waited unusually long, file a bug with "reportbug" |
| 06:13.32 | deniz_ | bug report |
| 06:13.35 | wellons | does debian have some sort of X multiplexer? |
| 06:13.40 | wellons | i want to run a single process on two different displays at once |
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| 06:20.21 | Supaplex | why does tar sometimes use unlink() when extracting files? the original tar is tar 1.13.25 and extracting on etch with version 1.16 |
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| 06:25.48 | \amethyst | Supaplex: tar can in some situations create placeholder files while extracting that are then replaced with a symlink or a hardlink at the end of extraction |
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| 06:28.16 | Supaplex | ahh. they are symlinks, but the files on disk on the extracted side are 0 bytes. the directories I've checked so far have no write premission, but were created by tar in the first place. |
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| 06:30.45 | linux_user400354 | i have a folder named debian in a source tar i extracted. is that used for creating a deb and if so how can i do it? |
| 06:31.10 | newsense | whats the "Debian way" of loading iptables rules from a file ? have init.d execute a script that loads the rules or add a pre-up line to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 06:31.58 | \amethyst | linux_user400354: yes, fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 06:32.35 | dmajnem2 | I cannot seem to get any sound from my newly installed box, anybody have any ideas? The sound card is an audigy |
| 06:32.43 | \amethyst | linux_user400354: (debian/rules is an executable makefile, but it has to run under fakeroot to get file ownership and permissions right) |
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| 06:32.59 | \amethyst | linux_user400354: you can also do it with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:33.16 | linux_user400354 | \amethyst, which is the better way to do it? |
| 06:33.17 | \amethyst | Supaplex: you have a filesystem where you can't unlink? |
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| 06:34.43 | Supaplex | \amethyst: sure I can. |
| 06:35.44 | linux_user400354 | \amethyst, i get : No such file or directory |
| 06:35.44 | linux_user400354 | '. Stop. No rule to make target ` from the command you gave me but i checked and the debian/rules file does exist |
| 06:36.31 | \amethyst | linux_user400354: what command were you using, exactly? |
| 06:36.38 | linux_user400354 | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 06:36.59 | \amethyst | Supaplex: what's the problem? the 0-byte files are being left behind instead of replaced? |
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| 06:37.02 | deniz_ | can firestarter do what moblock (and mobloquer) can do? |
| 06:37.19 | Supaplex | \amethyst: right. I expected symlinks |
| 06:37.33 | \amethyst | linux_user400354: oh, wait, there's nothing after the target ` ? |
| 06:37.59 | \amethyst | linux_user400354: sounds almost like debian/rules is in DOS format, with carriage returns at the end of the lines |
| 06:38.17 | \amethyst | linux_user400354: which would be bad |
| 06:38.39 | linux_user400354 | \amethyst, you are probably right. i had to run dos2unix on the configure script |
| 06:38.45 | \amethyst | eww |
| 06:38.50 | \amethyst | where did you get this from? |
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| 06:39.24 | Supaplex | \amethyst: I fixed it with a clever workaround. :D |
| 06:39.50 | linux_user400354 | \amethyst, http://smw.72dpiarmy.com |
| 06:40.06 | Supaplex | grep EACCES ../tar\ xvf\ my.tar.strace | awk -F\" '{print $2}' | xargs tar -xvf ../my.tar -T - |
| 06:40.12 | Supaplex | \o/ thanks \amethyst |
| 06:40.56 | TwistOfFate | does debain have a udp proxy package? |
| 06:41.29 | Supaplex | TwistOfFate: uhhh.. not use NAT? |
| 06:41.41 | TwistOfFate | don't know how to |
| 06:41.43 | TwistOfFate | need a udp proxy |
| 06:41.53 | \amethyst | Supaplex: hm... it got EACCESS when trying to unlink? |
| 06:42.22 | Supaplex | \amethyst: yes. the directories the symlinks reside in have no write permissions, not even for the owner. |
| 06:42.46 | \amethyst | Supaplex: that's probably worth filing a bug |
| 06:42.50 | Supaplex | I'd use root, but I'm a little nervous about the content in this paticular tarball, so I'm reviewing the content as a limited user. |
| 06:43.14 | Supaplex | yeah prabably |
| 06:43.32 | enouf | TwistOfFate: man apt.conf |
| 06:44.02 | enouf | TwistOfFate: see http_proxy .. unless you mean something else |
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| 06:44.20 | Supaplex | !wayttd TwistOfFate |
| 06:44.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, TwistOfFate? |
| 06:44.33 | enouf | TwistOfFate: udp sucks ass - use http |
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| 06:46.58 | enouf | linux_user400354: if you have no debian/rules and others like debian/changlog, then try to find the README for DPKG_BUILD_OPTIONS= |
| 06:47.14 | \amethyst | Supaplex: from the looks of it, the placeholders are used for absolute symlinks, symlinks that contain a .., and hardlink entries that contain a .. |
| 06:47.25 | enouf | linux_user400354: if none exist, that source sucks ass for building a deb |
| 06:48.29 | Supaplex | \amethyst: absolute? you're describing relative. these symlinks start with / |
| 06:48.55 | enouf | \amethyst: you mean a literal .., vs a .. ? yikes |
| 06:49.06 | \amethyst | enouf: no, .. |
| 06:49.13 | enouf | oh |
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| 06:49.38 | \amethyst | Supaplex: those were three different things |
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| 06:50.00 | \amethyst | Supaplex: absolute symlinks, and symlinks that contain a .. , and hardlink entries that contain a .. |
| 06:50.38 | Supaplex | oh, okay. |
| 06:50.48 | IchigoMorino | If I do "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" it should ask me if I want to use it as the login manager, right? Well it doesn't... anyone have a solution? |
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| 06:51.08 | enouf | \amethyst: i have noticed issues with some symlinks that do ../../name vs full/path/name |
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| 06:51.49 | enouf | IchigoMorino: what does it do? |
| 06:52.28 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: the default display manager is set in /etc/X11/default-display-manager; in general you should only have one of kdm|xdm|gdm etc. installed. |
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| 06:52.51 | \amethyst | This is supposed to be a security measure... I think the attack being prevented is to extract an archive that contains a symlink foo to ../../../../../etc/ followed by files foo/passwd foo/shadow etc |
| 06:53.07 | \amethyst | s/to extract/to trick root into extracting/ |
| 06:53.08 | IchigoMorino | enouf: It pauses for a second like it is working, and then it gives me a new line to input a command into. |
| 06:53.13 | Supaplex | \amethyst: this looks like #377785 |
| 06:53.21 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: I only have kdm installed. |
| 06:53.37 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: then it's the default; it won't ask you to set it as the default if it's the only one installed |
| 06:53.55 | newsense | what should the permissions be for files in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 06:53.57 | \amethyst | Supaplex: and now you have more information: the problem is when a placeholder entry gets created in a directory that isn't writable |
| 06:54.30 | \amethyst | Supaplex: (and why the placeholder is there in the first place) so I'd mail the bug about that :) |
| 06:54.34 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: How do I set X to start on boot then? Would I do the same thing I do in Gentoo? |
| 06:54.38 | dondelelcaro | newsense: they should be owned by root, and readable and executable by everyone |
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| 06:54.54 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: if you've got kdm installed, and its the default xdm, it'll automatically start on boot. |
| 06:54.55 | enouf | update-alternatives |
| 06:55.00 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: that all happens by default |
| 06:55.04 | dondelelcaro | s/xdm/DM/ |
| 06:55.15 | enouf | cannot type now ... |
| 06:55.21 | newsense | dondelelcaro, thanks for some reason i thought they shouldnt be executable by everyone, thanks for clearing that up |
| 06:55.36 | enouf | !nodm |
| 06:55.37 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 06:55.44 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: But how do I start xserver automatically? |
| 06:55.56 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: if you've got kdm installed, it will be started automatically |
| 06:55.58 | prxtien | hey all, i have a drive out of a thecus n1200, its a single drive NAS, im trying to mount it under my debian system..... mount returns unknown filesystem 'mdraid'.. any ideas where i can go next? |
| 06:56.12 | enouf | !xsession |
| 06:56.12 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 06:56.55 | newsense | what is the "Debian way" of loading ip tables rules from a file, i see theres a few ways to do it, any suggestions ? |
| 06:57.01 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: KDM starts, but x doesn't start and Debian puts me in runlevel 1. |
| 06:57.38 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: if KDM starts, X has started |
| 06:57.42 | enouf | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 06:58.25 | dondelelcaro | newsense: loads of methods; I personally suggest using ferm |
| 06:58.34 | newsense | IchigoMorino, what is your default runlevel in inittab ? |
| 06:58.49 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: if KDM has started, you're also not in runlevel 1. |
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| 06:59.11 | dondelelcaro | (unless you've seriously modified the default runlevel configuration) |
| 06:59.13 | newsense | dondelelcaro, thanks not familiar with ferm ill google it, thanks again |
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| 06:59.58 | SnoFox | Why, oh why did most of the shortcut keys just stop working on my keyboard? -.-' |
| 07:00.03 | newsense | missed the part where he said kdm starts, sorry |
| 07:00.29 | dondelelcaro | no worries |
| 07:02.01 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: This is what happens. Debian is booting, the last thing it says is "Starting K Display Manager: kdm." and then "Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 Project-Inferno tty1". |
| 07:02.40 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: that generally means that it tried to start kdm, and for whatever reason failed. |
| 07:03.04 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: usually because it was unable to actually bring up the X server. Did your screen flash or anything similar? |
| 07:04.21 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: If I do "startkde" I get "$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server." |
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| 07:05.13 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: if you login on the console, what does startx; do? |
| 07:06.11 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: "-bash: startx: command not found" |
| 07:07.20 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: start by installing xorg; and then try again. |
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| 07:08.19 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: Ah, I installed xserver-xorg, I thought that was what I was supposed to install. I didn't realize there was a package called xorg. |
| 07:08.52 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: I though xserver-xorg was xorg... I guess I was wrong. |
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| 07:10.00 | simonrvn | xorg pulls in a few needed bits |
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| 07:10.23 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: xserver-xorg is just the server. It doesn't have the other things that you usually need to have a working X install |
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| 07:10.45 | IchigoMorino | Okay, rebooting now. |
| 07:10.50 | dondelelcaro | (though it *is* possible to have one... but few people have font servers, fonts, etc. set up) |
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| 07:10.53 | simonrvn | what? |
| 07:11.00 | dondelelcaro | IchigoMorino: this isn't windows; you don't need to reboot. |
| 07:11.02 | simonrvn | no neeed to reboot |
| 07:11.18 | IchigoMorino | dondelelcaro: Why are you talking about Windows? |
| 07:11.25 | IchigoMorino | And I know I don't need to reboot. |
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| 07:11.42 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:11.46 | IchigoMorino | I just want to see if everything starts properly and automatically. |
| 07:11.55 | dondelelcaro | you don't need to reboot to test that, either... |
| 07:12.29 | IchigoMorino | But rebooting only takes a few seconds. |
| 07:13.27 | IchigoMorino | Anyway, it works now. I'm such an idiot. Thanks for the help. (it's been so long since I've used Debian) |
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| 07:13.48 | Supaplex | how do I subscribe my email to a bug I didn't first report? |
| 07:14.03 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: nnn-subscribe@bugs.debian.org |
| 07:15.03 | Supaplex | can I do it with reportbug? I don't want to setup "yet another" profile for that address. (bts lives in a folder off my inbox) |
| 07:16.10 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: bts subscribe nnnn; |
| 07:16.42 | dondelelcaro | (you just send a mail from something that works to nnn-subscribe@b.d.o; pretty simple, really) |
| 07:17.51 | Supaplex | something that works, yet can be spammed ;) |
| 07:18.18 | Supaplex | humm sendmail is busted here. I guess I'll create the profile. :-f |
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| 07:21.09 | saint-takeshi | okay, time to ask you grown-ups |
| 07:21.58 | saint-takeshi | how come apt-get build-dep mesa returns "E: Build-dependencies for mesa could not be satisfied." ?? |
| 07:22.43 | dondelelcaro | saint-takeshi: becuase they couldn't be satisfied? |
| 07:22.55 | dondelelcaro | saint-takeshi: it Build-Depends: on something that can't be installed for whatever reason on your system. |
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| 07:23.34 | dondelelcaro | (or isn't available in the sources you've got defined or similar) |
| 07:24.07 | Gigantic_micro | Is there some way to set permanent permisions to eveything uder a certain directory? |
| 07:24.25 | dondelelcaro | Gigantic_micro: not without making things immutable, no |
| 07:24.52 | Gigantic_micro | i.e. that no matter who put files undet /Data , it will always have same group and hex permisions |
| 07:25.01 | saint-takeshi | i'd figured that much out on my own, this isn't #ubuntu, i'm not gonna come in here if it's something my dog could make sense of...what can i do to make apt-get's output a little more verbose so i can get a better answer than "for whatever reason" ? |
| 07:25.02 | dondelelcaro | well, I lie slightly; you can probably do it using some different filesystems or similar |
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| 07:25.21 | dondelelcaro | saint-takeshi: go through the build dependencies and try to install them. |
| 07:25.33 | dondelelcaro | saint-takeshi: apt-cache showsrc mesa; will easily display them. |
| 07:25.49 | saint-takeshi | ah right, thanks. |
| 07:25.54 | Gigantic_micro | dondelelcaro: uhm, yeah I mean for new files :) |
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| 07:27.27 | Gigantic_micro | maybe with some FS instructions |
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| 07:28.24 | saint-takeshi | so i just take each entry from the "biuld dependencies" output of apt-cache showsrc mesa, and put them, one by one, into an apt-get install, til i fnd the culprit? |
| 07:29.33 | dondelelcaro | saint-takeshi: yes; you can also use mk-build-deps to build a .deb which will cause them to be installed, and track them that way. |
| 07:29.59 | dondelelcaro | saint-takeshi: aptitude build-dep mesa; may also be more informative. |
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| 07:30.52 | saint-takeshi | aha! |
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| 07:32.11 | saint-takeshi | found the problem. i tried to fix 3d acceleration when i was deprived of sleep before, and installed some stuff before, so i have to downgrade libdrm2 to something libdrm-dev can understand |
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| 07:37.11 | Gigantic_micro | what man can I read for permisions apart of the chmod |
| 07:37.17 | Gigantic_micro | and chgrp and so |
| 07:37.25 | IchigoMorino | chown? |
| 07:37.27 | Supaplex | !tell Gigantic_micro -about grounding |
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| 07:37.51 | Gigantic_micro | ew, nope |
| 07:38.05 | Supaplex | \amethyst: updated 377785 :) |
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| 07:38.21 | Gigantic_micro | I just want to do something tricky with permisions and I'm not sure where to start looking |
| 07:38.44 | IchigoMorino | Gigantic_micro: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 07:38.55 | craigevil | take a look at man chmod |
| 07:39.12 | Supaplex | Gigantic_micro: chmod chgrp chown are for primary permissions. if it's more involved, you may need to look at chattr, lsattr, unix acls and selinux depending on what you're after. |
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| 07:39.41 | Supaplex | I suggest avoiding anything outside ch* unless you're prepared to hurt your brain :) |
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| 07:39.55 | Gigantic_micro | I have a this folder /Data0 where I want anyone to be able to drop files in, but once the file is in there I want it to automatically change to a custo, group and permisions |
| 07:40.18 | Supaplex | is this via samba? ftp? ssh? |
| 07:40.39 | Gigantic_micro | local folder |
| 07:40.53 | Gigantic_micro | atm at least |
| 07:41.02 | IchigoMorino | Why does it need to belong to a certain group? |
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| 07:41.24 | Gigantic_micro | because only that group would have permisions to write/modify |
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| 07:41.50 | IchigoMorino | I guess, but anyone could modify it from something like a Live CD, no matter what the permissions are. |
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| 07:42.08 | IchigoMorino | I guess if you are just trying to keep innocent people innocent it may be a good idea. |
| 07:42.08 | Supaplex | <3's perl for this sort of thing |
| 07:42.19 | IchigoMorino | But if someone really wants to access it they can. |
| 07:42.23 | Gigantic_micro | permisions would be rw rw r |
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| 07:42.44 | Supaplex | IchigoMorino: I don't think he's talking about that context |
| 07:42.51 | hobbes006 | hi guys. i have a umask question (i think it's umask)... everytime i upload an image file via my web application into my server, the apache user (www-data) seem to automatically assign rw-rw-r-- perms to my file. how can i make the apache user (www-data) give the image file a default perms of 777 (rwxrwxrwx) ? |
| 07:43.09 | simonrvn | you don't want that |
| 07:43.26 | hobbes006 | simonrvn: is that for me ? |
| 07:43.38 | simonrvn | yes. |
| 07:43.42 | Gigantic_micro | this is a folder with a zillion songs and while I want people to be free to add files I don't want anyone to "accidentally" delete the whole thing |
| 07:44.17 | hobbes006 | simonrvn: why? i need to manipulate the file further |
| 07:44.19 | Supaplex | hobbes006: eww on two levels. apache can already write to it. And graphics are NOT executable. |
| 07:44.41 | hobbes006 | i see |
| 07:44.54 | simonrvn | just 'cause they're binary doesn't mean they're executable. |
| 07:44.55 | Supaplex | !777 |
| 07:44.55 | dpkg | 777 is, like, god (me, you and everything else) power over everything, or in unix it's presented in -rwxrwxrwx (full read/write/exec perms for everyone) |
| 07:45.23 | Supaplex | common use of 777 shows a great lack of wanting to do it right |
| 07:45.33 | simonrvn | manage your files properly, and we'll have one less zombied linux host to worry about ;) |
| 07:45.55 | Gigantic_micro | zombies are kewl |
| 07:46.11 | simonrvn | in your mind perhaps. |
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| 07:46.24 | saint-takeshi | ahhh |
| 07:46.34 | ma3x | does anyone know how can i specify to lftp to get .hidden files as well when i do 'mirror .' ? |
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| 07:47.12 | tame | is this the place to ask questions about powerpc? |
| 07:47.15 | Gigantic_micro | well, guess I'll read chattr, lsattr, unix acls as Supaplex said, other option I can think of is making a site just for the users to manage the files and that would be a bit too much ork imo |
| 07:47.20 | iamwoody | hey guys! i have a problem , i want to find a software which can detect the bandwidth limit for the server. |
| 07:47.43 | simonrvn | Gigantic_micro: you could set the dir. t |
| 07:47.57 | Gigantic_micro | t? |
| 07:48.00 | simonrvn | drop, the user can mod theirs, but no one else's |
| 07:48.04 | saint-takeshi | just realized that chmod numbers are XYZ, X=User, Y=Root, Z=Other Users... |
| 07:48.08 | simonrvn | see /tmp |
| 07:48.24 | mactimes | iamwoody: Let me see if I got it right. |
| 07:48.26 | simonrvn | saint-takeshi: uh, no. |
| 07:48.45 | mactimes | iamwoody: You want to monitor bandwidth usage, right? |
| 07:48.45 | saint-takeshi | am i close? |
| 07:49.05 | simonrvn | info chmod |
| 07:50.31 | iamwoody | mactimes:i use the mrtg found that ,i have a low bandwidth at 8-10 pm |
| 07:51.13 | iamwoody | mactimes: i want to know whether the idc give me a bandwidth limition |
| 07:51.28 | simonrvn | Gigantic_micro: you could play around with taking off the read perms too, but then people won't be able to read the files into whatever. |
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| 07:52.21 | Gigantic_micro | or maybe if I couls just forvid "delete" |
| 07:52.27 | mactimes | iamwoody: Ok, I understood part of the message. I see you're facing bandwidth issues. What I couldn't understand yet is: what exactly do you want? Bandwidth monitoring software? Bandwidth limiting software? |
| 07:52.29 | Gigantic_micro | *forbid |
| 07:52.31 | simonrvn | t, i.e. sticky |
| 07:52.38 | Gigantic_micro | mm, |
| 07:52.46 | simonrvn | sticky is restricted deletion/unlink() |
| 07:52.47 | Gigantic_micro | maybe, I've never used sticky |
| 07:52.55 | Gigantic_micro | reads |
| 07:53.09 | iamwoody | mactimes: Bandwidth limiting software |
| 07:53.42 | Gigantic_micro | can't you set that with pam or quota? |
| 07:53.45 | mactimes | iamwoody: Then, shaper is the application you're looking for. |
| 07:53.52 | Gigantic_micro | the bandwith I mean |
| 07:53.57 | iamwoody | mactimes: thanks |
| 07:54.00 | simonrvn | Gigantic_micro: sure. i'm just tossing ideas out. |
| 07:54.06 | mactimes | iamwoody: You're welcome! |
| 07:54.41 | mactimes | iamwoody: I recommend you also google a bit about cbq. |
| 07:54.58 | mactimes | iamwoody: You'll need that to handle shaper rules. |
| 07:55.05 | Gigantic_micro | simonrvn: aye ty, I find Wikipedia easier more pragmatical than reading "man" tho :P |
| 07:55.30 | simonrvn | could also use umasks, and ask people to set their umask when they access the partition, set the dir setgid, and add those users to a group. there's any number of things you can do. |
| 07:55.32 | Supaplex | iamwoody: mrtg only polls for accounting data, it doesn't set or manage limits on links you monitor. |
| 07:56.00 | iamwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.13 | simonrvn | ..using snmp and/or scripts |
| 07:57.06 | Supaplex | right :) |
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| 07:57.19 | Gigantic_micro | simonrvn: oh I like that idea better |
| 07:58.04 | mactimes | iamwoody: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/shaper |
| 07:58.37 | simonrvn | umask 002; then cp, rm, whatever; umask 022; done |
| 07:58.37 | tame | i just installed to a mac and i cant get the proper resolution |
| 07:58.37 | tame | what gives? |
| 07:58.37 | iamwoody | i have a slow response from apache at 8-10 pm, but the cpu resources is empty, i dont know why? so i doubt whether the idc give me bandwidth limiting |
| 07:58.37 | simonrvn | console? x? |
| 07:58.40 | tame | xorg.conf is set to use 1024x768, but all i get is 640x 460 |
| 07:58.54 | iamwoody | mactimes:thanks very much |
| 07:59.03 | simonrvn | iamwoody: probably trying to kill bittorrent/p2p stuff |
| 07:59.28 | iamwoody | i have no p2p process on my server ,it is only run apache and mysql |
| 08:00.21 | saint-takeshi | iamwoody: yeah, but bandwidth is limited during peak times by a lot of ISPs, certainly here in the uk, anyway |
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| 08:01.14 | saint-takeshi | 8-10pm sounds like peak internet usage times to me (my ISP slowpipes me between 6-11pm, because they're bastards) |
| 08:01.51 | iamwoody | yeah they are bastards |
| 08:02.04 | simonrvn | iamwoody: i didn't say you had any such thing. |
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| 08:02.36 | simonrvn | i.e., they're not targetting you specifically, just putting you into another pathway. |
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| 08:03.20 | iamwoody | but my boss ask me to solve the problem |
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| 08:05.59 | Gigantic_micro | simonrvn: got it :) |
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| 08:07.48 | iamwoody | My boss told me to find out the evidence and tell it to idc, because we have over 5Mbps in the contract,actually we nerver have 5Mbps,so if i find out the evidence,and i can solve the problem |
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| 08:09.42 | iamwoody | http://mrtg.letuo.com/3d23/ username:mrtg password:shmym,my port is 22 |
| 08:11.11 | Guerin | !moron iamwoody |
| 08:11.11 | dpkg | iamwoody: You are moron #85 |
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| 08:12.54 | Gigantic_micro | lols |
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| 08:13.25 | iamwoody | your mean is 5Mbps is falsehood? |
| 08:13.50 | Supaplex | iamwoody: I assume upstream is fe0/1 ? |
| 08:14.05 | iamwoody | yeah |
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| 08:14.49 | iamwoody | 100Mbps network interface card |
| 08:15.31 | Supaplex | iamwoody: maybe they're congested further upstream. providers can be natorious for making you prove them. |
| 08:17.42 | iamwoody | my port is fe0/22 |
| 08:19.07 | Supaplex | and it's not related to debian. we can't seem to help you any further. |
| 08:21.28 | iamwoody | ok ,thank you all the same |
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| 08:23.36 | iamwoody | Supaplex:your mean that the switch has a congested upstream? |
| 08:24.10 | iamwoody | at fast ethernet port 1? |
| 08:24.36 | Supaplex | I think it's congestion because you see the problem at various times of the day. unless they have some stupid rate limiting that's not configured correctly. |
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| 08:25.52 | iamwoody | i know what is your mean |
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| 08:27.54 | iamwoody | other,can i have a method to prove it? |
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| 08:29.00 | Supaplex | iamwoody: check out the graph and peers tag on http://www.robtex.com/as/as24400.html |
| 08:30.38 | Gigantic_micro | wow xfs has a channel |
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| 08:31.34 | saint-takeshi | anyone here aware if there's a timeline on when gallium3d will be a stable, usable driver? or atleast if there are any plans to package it for apt? |
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| 08:33.18 | dondelelcaro | saint-takeshi: if there isn't an ITP bug filed for it, no one has publicly stated that they'll be packaging it |
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| 08:33.35 | saint-takeshi | (just curious, not demanding or expecting anything) |
| 08:34.48 | dondelelcaro | saint-takeshi: that said, if there isn't an ITP bug (you can check bugs.debian.org/wnpp for one) feel free to file an RFP and/or start packaging work on it yourself |
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| 08:35.04 | saint-takeshi | if i ever manage to make it work, i'll build a package and submit it |
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| 08:36.49 | saint-takeshi | at the moment i'm not even sure i can get the upstream dri/drm/mesa to work, though |
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| 08:37.14 | saint-takeshi | (never really used git before, just baely figuring it out) |
| 08:37.21 | saint-takeshi | barely* |
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| 08:42.20 | tame | is backports the only extra repo? |
| 08:42.33 | tame | like ubuntu has like a a million, restricted and such... |
| 08:43.41 | dondelelcaro | tame: anyone who wants can set up any unofficial archives they want |
| 08:44.07 | dondelelcaro | tame: anything that's going to be part of our release is in main+contrib+non-free, though. |
| 08:44.28 | dondelelcaro | backports.org is an unofficial (but integrated) archive |
| 08:44.43 | tame | so non-free |
| 08:45.31 | tame | i think thats what im missing in my repos |
| 08:45.44 | tame | i just installed a fresh system |
| 08:45.51 | tame | its on a powerpc |
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| 08:48.38 | iamwoody | Supaplex:i just learned ccna ,so i am not a professional of network,i dont understand the graph,would you like to give me a help ? thanks very much |
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| 08:53.05 | CAiRO | which daemon in gnome handles the key combos for launching my browser or my email client and so on? |
| 08:53.19 | CAiRO | it seems its not metacity |
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| 09:00.00 | click170 | Does apt keep any kind of log anywhere about which packages are installed/removed and on which date? I had a package mysteriously become uninstalled and I'd like to know why |
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| 09:00.48 | liable | aptitude does, as does dpkg, look in /var/log |
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| 09:01.18 | Supaplex | click170: failing all that, there are database backups too. /var/backups/ |
| 09:01.37 | ekontsevoy | I wonder if there is a good resource that lists at least the most popular Linux/BSD C-libraries (like readline, openssl, etc). I am just starting developing for Linux and I'm afraid to reinvent the wheel. Aptitude searches help, but where do Linux programmers go to search for libraries? |
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| 09:02.15 | click170 | liable: Thanks. Supaplex, where can I learn more about these database backups? |
| 09:03.24 | phorce1 | needs to remember to update/upgrade more often. Need to get 149MB of archives. After unpacking 14.4MB will be used. |
| 09:04.36 | Supaplex | phorce1: don't forget clean too :) hehehe |
| 09:05.02 | phorce1 | Supaplex: I just add hard drives, no need to clean |
| 09:05.06 | phorce1 | ;-) |
| 09:05.06 | Supaplex | phorce1: I "really should" install a squid instance just to cache repos. |
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| 09:05.30 | Supaplex | and transparent proxy with a few firewall rules. :) |
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| 09:06.28 | phorce1 | I built a local repo a while back but ended up taking that machine offline. Need to do it again but that's a big honkin download to build a complete mirror |
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| 09:09.55 | Supaplex | I don't need to mirror it. I can just cache. |
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| 09:11.34 | liable | yeah, apt-proxy or similar would be better i would think |
| 09:11.35 | phorce1 | when I get all the machines rebuilt the way I want I'll have about 11 debian boxes with different packages on each one. Easier to build a mirror and let it update itself nightly. |
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| 09:12.48 | Supaplex | squid should work fine too. you'll get cache misses when the mirror changes, but you'll still keep cache hits on unchanged packages already downloaded. |
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| 09:12.58 | Supaplex | this way it's a little more transparent |
| 09:13.32 | Supaplex | and my firewall rules can make sure I'm only dabbling with repo mirrors (and eaisly disabled in one place) |
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| 09:13.50 | click170 | mirrors are better for situations with multiple clients, there is no waiting for a package if it's not in the cache, and since he said with different packages on each one... |
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| 09:14.55 | Supaplex | I suppose |
| 09:15.20 | click170 | I guess it comes down to Admin's opinion, but I run a mirror for less than 11 clients |
| 09:15.36 | simonrvn | mixing arches though, that quickly falls apart. ;) |
| 09:16.10 | click170 | simonrvn: won't that depend on how your mirroring? apt-mirror is kind of limited in those aspects |
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| 09:16.48 | simonrvn | that's what i meant. that's partly why i don't cache .debs |
| 09:17.36 | click170 | I'm by no means a squid expert, but since the files are different, why would there be a conflict there? |
| 09:18.37 | simonrvn | what's the point of caching when it's going to be a one time use? |
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| 09:19.09 | click170 | Exactly. Why I personally prefer a mirror |
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| 09:20.30 | CAiRO | which daemon in gnome handles the key combos for launching my browser or my email client and so on? |
| 09:22.17 | liable | be the window manager i spose. |
| 09:22.31 | liable | or you can use xbindkeys |
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| 09:26.41 | Eulex | uh, I believe one of my boxen are kinda borked ^^ |
| 09:26.44 | Eulex | $ ls |
| 09:26.51 | Eulex | Segmentation fault |
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| 09:27.31 | AceLan | Eulex: maybe be hacked |
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| 09:31.14 | Eulex | AceLan, perhaps. the md5sum of /bin/ls does indeed not match the expected one. could be corruption in general too, I have been having some reliability problems with this one before |
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| 09:32.51 | Eulex | scary |
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| 09:33.05 | Eulex | the md5sum of /bin/sh doesn't match the one I have in an etch chroot either |
| 09:33.23 | koollman | Eulex: looks like a bad rootkit |
| 09:33.23 | AceLan | Eulex: god bless you |
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| 09:34.35 | Eulex | what the... /bin/sh links to /bin/bash in the chroot, but not on this system. md5sum of /bin/bash matches the one in the chroot. |
| 09:34.46 | Eulex | koollman, yes, appears so. |
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| 09:34.58 | koollman | Eulex: my etch /bin/ls is 151c428a7aa0c7131dea5e5f8e7da31a |
| 09:35.19 | AceLan | Eulex: ls -la /tmp, always can find something interesting |
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| 09:36.04 | Eulex | koollman, 968c575826c771e3fd3f1870a060eaee /bin/ls |
| 09:36.16 | koollman | AceLan: except when ls doesn't work ;) |
| 09:36.29 | Eulex | yeah :) |
| 09:36.29 | AceLan | koollman: haha |
| 09:36.35 | averule | hi at all, i have downloaded repository to local system,may know which libraries are architecture dependent? |
| 09:36.48 | Eulex | anyway, I'll shut down this box *now* and check up on it later, as I gotta go now |
| 09:36.57 | averule | as well processor bit dependent? |
| 09:37.03 | koollman | Eulex: might not boot again... |
| 09:37.17 | Eulex | koollman, in with a live cd I go then. |
| 09:37.31 | vaq | Can I run 32bit programs on the amd64 version? |
| 09:37.39 | koollman | Eulex: right. at least livecd are not easy to corrupt :) |
| 09:37.42 | koollman | vaq: yes |
| 09:37.53 | vaq | koollman: How? |
| 09:38.14 | Eulex | bye |
| 09:38.43 | koollman | vaq: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq , ia32-libs or chroot |
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| 09:38.52 | vaq | thanks |
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| 09:45.36 | arapaho | hi #debian. |
| 09:45.45 | arapaho | I've a Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5708 |
| 09:45.57 | arapaho | work like a charm with CONFIG_BNX2=m |
| 09:46.09 | arapaho | firmware is loaded with no problem. |
| 09:46.29 | arapaho | but when I want CONFIG_BNX2=y, firmware are never loaded. |
| 09:46.53 | arapaho | and eth controllers are not usable. |
| 09:47.13 | arapaho | Is there any way to have a CONFIG_BNX2=y and firmware loading ? |
| 09:47.24 | troubled | takes away arapaho's enter key |
| 09:47.24 | Supaplex | how is the firmware loaded? |
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| 09:47.36 | Supaplex | !tell arapaho -about enter |
| 09:47.44 | arapaho | troubled: sorry |
| 09:47.51 | troubled | :) |
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| 09:48.58 | arapaho | Supaplex: firmware is loaded during the boot. It is included in the initrd. |
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| 09:49.49 | Supaplex | humm. !blacklist-initrd is the opposite of that, but reviewing those configs will give you an idea of what to ensure is included. |
| 09:49.55 | Supaplex | why not allow it as a module? |
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| 09:56.11 | arapaho | I'm sure firmware is included as I've searched for it in the created initrd. I also make my own by hand (not make-kpkg). For infos, http://rafb.net/p/yz4bq770.html. Allowing it as a module could be an option as long as no admins rmmod it (and we have one of those). |
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| 09:57.59 | Supaplex | just break his wrist next time. ;) |
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| 10:05.39 | leggo | good morningng |
| 10:05.56 | leggo | when i open programs it says coma-floating exception |
| 10:06.01 | leggo | i have no clue to fix it |
| 10:07.32 | leggo | i have reinstalled the programs but i get same error |
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| 10:08.08 | Maulkin | Which programs? |
| 10:08.16 | leggo | xchat and firefox by example |
| 10:08.17 | Maulkin | And what's the exact error message? |
| 10:08.30 | leggo | "Floating-coma exception" |
| 10:08.55 | Maulkin | Can you try "LANG=C firefox" please? |
| 10:09.03 | Maulkin | Or xchat, or whatever? |
| 10:09.26 | leggo | export LANG=C and open firefox ? |
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| 10:09.41 | jelly | "floating-point exception" |
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| 10:09.51 | leggo | does not works :/ |
| 10:09.58 | leggo | yes jelly, sorry |
| 10:10.04 | Maulkin | leggo: And what is the exact error message? |
| 10:10.06 | leggo | i read the error in spanish and i never translatedthat |
| 10:10.12 | jelly | leggo: paste the exact messager |
| 10:10.16 | jelly | s/r// |
| 10:10.33 | leggo | sentencia@debian:~$ xchat |
| 10:10.34 | leggo | Floating point exception |
| 10:10.40 | leggo | the same error but english |
| 10:11.26 | Maulkin | What's the output of 'cat /proc/swaps' ? |
| 10:12.24 | leggo | /dev/sda5 partition 2650684 476 -1 |
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| 10:12.41 | Maulkin | I would also guess that your ram may be dodgy. Have you tried runing memtest86 on it? |
| 10:13.19 | leggo | no, i dont tried memtest |
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| 10:13.40 | leggo | the problem started when my ~"·$ gf closed the computer pressing the start button |
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| 10:13.56 | leggo | and i restarted many times yesterday, and this morning i get the same error at same point |
| 10:14.04 | leggo | if were memory i could see random errors |
| 10:14.11 | leggo | can be hard disk issue? |
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| 10:14.33 | Maulkin | It could be memory, or hard drive too. |
| 10:14.51 | leggo | well, i will restart and run memest |
| 10:14.56 | Maulkin | What has happening at the time? Oh, and what version of debian are you running? |
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| 10:15.13 | leggo | and how can i force fsck to run at startup before to sda6 be mounted |
| 10:15.27 | leggo | im running debian lenny |
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| 10:15.43 | rmrfchik | any lucky with asus p5k running debian? |
| 10:15.45 | leggo | but if i run the xchat as root, it works |
| 10:15.49 | mdige | hi everyone. What lib is responsible for rendering pictures in fireox ? My pics are very pixelated |
| 10:15.58 | leggo | my ~/.xchat2 is empty too |
| 10:16.25 | mdige | rmrfchik: I have Asus P5Q SE/R running okay here. Don't know if it is related |
| 10:16.42 | rmrfchik | mdige: is sound working? |
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| 10:17.00 | rmrfchik | on each reboot I don't know -- will sound works or not :( so sad |
| 10:17.04 | mdige | rmrfchik: haven't figured out about sound yet |
| 10:17.13 | rmrfchik | ah |
| 10:17.27 | mdige | rmrfchik: but it does recognize it as Intel HD Audio |
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| 10:18.06 | mdige | rmrfchik: But I haven't figured out how to just use the AC'97 part of it. I don't want HD Audio etc. |
| 10:19.05 | mdige | rmrfchik: Have you have any troubles with the MARWEL IDE controller. I had some troubles with my cd-rom not being recognized |
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| 10:21.48 | jelly | wonders if only GTK+ apps had this behaviour for leggo |
| 10:24.27 | kunwon1 | good question |
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| 10:27.07 | mdige | Any advice on getting nice looking fonts and picture rendering for firefox ? |
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| 10:28.08 | kunwon1 | mdige, just to clarify, you're referring to firefox and not iceweasel installed from debian repos? |
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| 10:28.24 | mdige | kunwon1: Yes I am |
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| 10:31.03 | kunwon1 | mdige, I think the libs are pango and cairo |
| 10:31.08 | wlnet | if etch has become lenny, what has lenny become? |
| 10:31.18 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: etch doesn't become lenny |
| 10:31.36 | wlnet | dondelelcaro: or is it lenny becomes ethc? |
| 10:31.40 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: no. |
| 10:32.00 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: lenny will eventually become stable, and etch will become oldstable. |
| 10:32.08 | mdige | kunwon1: okay. I'll look into those libs then |
| 10:32.15 | wlnet | dondelelcaro: what does that 'etch->lenny' in the topic mean? |
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| 10:32.19 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: think of stable, testing, and oldstable as symlinks which currently point at etch, lenny, and sarge. |
| 10:32.30 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: /msg dpkg and see |
| 10:32.37 | wlnet | k |
| 10:34.02 | wlnet | dondelelcaro: when will lenny be released? |
| 10:34.27 | kunwon1 | !wwlr |
| 10:34.27 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 10:35.08 | wlnet | bye. |
| 10:35.14 | kunwon1 | lol |
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| 10:39.00 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: dain brammage eh? :D |
| 10:39.30 | Supaplex | </customers> heh |
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| 10:42.29 | apelW | hello. |
| 10:42.45 | apelW | where do I find kppp 4:3.4.2 ? |
| 10:43.01 | Supaplex | uh, apt-get install it? |
| 10:43.11 | apelW | I need an older package |
| 10:43.19 | Supaplex | !snapshot |
| 10:43.19 | dpkg | hmm... snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 10:43.50 | apelW | it isn't part of the asus eee xandros repo :-( |
| 10:43.55 | arapaho | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.01 | apelW | so I need a compatible package |
| 10:44.01 | arapaho | failed .... |
| 10:44.03 | Supaplex | !xandros |
| 10:44.04 | dpkg | xandros is probably a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/, or #xandros @ irc.freenode.net |
| 10:44.04 | apelW | (very old) |
| 10:44.17 | Supaplex | try installing debian then |
| 10:44.52 | kunwon1 | Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-19 Server at www.xandros.com Port 80 |
| 10:44.56 | kunwon1 | lol |
| 10:45.13 | apelW | hmm maybe I will. The difficult part is to make it take as little disk space as xandros. |
| 10:45.21 | apelW | yes |
| 10:45.26 | jelly | kunwon1: hey, 4.3.10 is a tried and true PHP release! |
| 10:45.27 | apelW | it's very outdated |
| 10:45.37 | apelW | I don't know why asus chose to use xandros |
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| 10:46.06 | Supaplex | ssd prices are falling too. |
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| 10:46.33 | liable | apelW: debian is pretty well supported on eee's |
| 10:46.53 | liable | except the shitty ralink chip, but it works, mor eor less |
| 10:47.02 | kunwon1 | jelly, it's only five and a half years old |
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| 10:47.40 | darkwizzard | hello |
| 10:47.42 | kunwon1 | wow, you can still download php 3 |
| 10:47.42 | darkwizzard | http://pastebin.com/m21cb8383 |
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| 10:47.47 | darkwizzard | how can I reinstall this package |
| 10:47.50 | darkwizzard | it's inconsistent |
| 10:47.56 | darkwizzard | and it hangs every time I try to remove it |
| 10:49.03 | darkwizzard | it broke my system |
| 10:49.07 | darkwizzard | I can't install anything |
| 10:50.43 | Supaplex | darkwizzard: welcome to sid? it breaks? |
| 10:51.01 | darkwizzard | ok. but how to fix it ? |
| 10:51.32 | liable | with your leet sid fixin skillz |
| 10:51.33 | dondelelcaro | darkwizzard: see what is on line 339 of /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh and see why it's broken |
| 10:51.54 | Supaplex | ^5's liable |
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| 10:52.55 | darkwizzard | that line is unrelated. I guess |
| 10:53.09 | darkwizzard | it's something related to splashy |
| 10:53.36 | dondelelcaro | darkwizzard: see #509025 |
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| 10:53.56 | goog | Hey People! Which email client do you use these days? |
| 10:54.01 | dondelelcaro | mutt |
| 10:54.17 | liable | telnet! |
| 10:54.18 | dondelelcaro | gnus is pretty much the only other usable one |
| 10:54.49 | Supaplex | uses a 'held' release of kmail off sid |
| 10:54.58 | darkwizzard | I see the bug |
| 10:55.01 | darkwizzard | is there a fix ? |
| 10:55.13 | Supaplex | thank $diety for vserver |
| 10:55.18 | Supaplex | darkwizzard: what's bts say? |
| 10:55.36 | darkwizzard | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23509025 |
| 10:55.36 | darkwizzard | only this |
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| 10:55.58 | Supaplex | it only says a url to itself? |
| 10:56.08 | Supaplex | no wait. brain cells are depelted. must zzzz soon. |
| 10:56.25 | darkwizzard | ok. fixed |
| 10:56.25 | dondelelcaro | darkwizzard: the fix is to move the -f $SPL_PRG bit after the variable is actually defined, presumably. |
| 10:56.26 | darkwizzard | thanks |
| 10:56.28 | goog | i dont like email clients that need a configuration. i would like one that just works like "email --serve =... --user ..." and doesnt write anything to disk. |
| 10:56.46 | darkwizzard | thunderbird ? |
| 10:56.56 | Supaplex | goog: sounds like telnet is for you. |
| 10:57.18 | goog | darkwizzard: thunderbird can be configured via command line options? |
| 10:57.20 | dondelelcaro | goog: uh... almost all clients require configuration |
| 10:57.30 | darkwizzard | err, sry. didn't see that part :) |
| 10:57.32 | Supaplex | gmail ;) heh hhe heh |
| 10:57.42 | rmrfchik | mdige: sorry, i was away |
| 10:57.44 | darkwizzard | gmail with elinks |
| 10:57.44 | goog | dondelelcaro: hmm.. web based ones dont. |
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| 10:57.45 | darkwizzard | :D |
| 10:57.50 | dondelelcaro | goog: sure they do |
| 10:58.22 | Supaplex | goog: then tell me how it automagically pulls a name just like yours out of its %*@$( :P |
| 10:58.36 | goog | dondelelcaro: all i need for web based email is username and password. and my firefox is set up to store nothing on disk. |
| 10:58.45 | darkwizzard | does anyone know why the Romanian debian mirror is down ? ftp.ro.debian.org |
| 10:58.55 | dondelelcaro | goog: if you mean local configuration, sure; that's not what I'm saying, though. |
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| 10:59.02 | Maulkin | darkwizzard: try debian-mirrors@lists.debian.org |
| 10:59.06 | dondelelcaro | (I don't need local configuration to ssh into a machine and run mutt either) |
| 10:59.08 | darkwizzard | ok |
| 10:59.12 | Supaplex | 's too tired to follow the logic - laters |
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| 11:08.31 | apelW | hey. how do I find the repos for "sarge"? |
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| 11:09.57 | petemc | apelW: archive.debian.org , sarge isnt supported any more |
| 11:10.58 | apelW | and ETCH ? |
| 11:11.22 | petemc | etch is on all the debian mirrors, its the current stable |
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| 11:11.43 | apelW | ok |
| 11:11.51 | apelW | I will look into it |
| 11:11.54 | apelW | thank's |
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| 11:18.47 | lrn | when i write 'top' on my linux it only shows me the average of my CPU's utilization...i need to press 1 to see all CPU's there is a way so i will see all the CPU's without pressing 1 each time ? |
| 11:20.01 | liable | try htop |
| 11:20.52 | simonrvn | configuring top to do |
| 11:21.08 | lrn | simonrvn how ? |
| 11:21.23 | simonrvn | split into X, assign each one a cpu |
| 11:21.38 | simonrvn | start with pressing h |
| 11:21.41 | liable | or just use htop... |
| 11:22.16 | simonrvn | i agree with liable though, htop is better at showing that stuff |
| 11:22.33 | simonrvn | don't need to do window splitting and shite |
| 11:22.51 | dondelelcaro | lrn: write out the config file with W |
| 11:23.16 | dondelelcaro | though top isn't the best thing if you're doing something non-interactive |
| 11:23.21 | dondelelcaro | lrn: man top; for details |
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| 11:27.35 | Baum- | are there major changes in pam.d files. im using ldap auth and have now the problem on lenny that i cant change the root password. it says User not known to the underlying authentication module. i havent changed the pam.d files at all. |
| 11:27.52 | Baum- | on etch i can set the local password |
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| 11:29.56 | bullgard4 | What does 'ATK' stand for in the mime type 'ATK_inset' |
| 11:30.34 | CAiRO | hi |
| 11:31.06 | CAiRO | whats the appropriate way of handling ' and " in file names when i try to rename files using find and xargs? |
| 11:31.43 | CAiRO | ie i want a command that also works if the file names contain ' or " characters |
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| 11:31.53 | jelly | !tell CAiRO -about using find |
| 11:32.06 | goog | Hey People! When you deinstall stuff, do you use "apt-get remove" or "apt-get purge"? |
| 11:32.17 | Tekno | apt-get --purge remove |
| 11:32.32 | jelly | CAiRO: basically find [...] -print0 | xargs -0 [...] |
| 11:33.39 | CAiRO | jelly: yes, but i need to do string operations on the file names, so i need either find or xargs to escape the ' or " in the file names for me |
| 11:33.48 | bullgard4 | goog: Those 2 commands act differently. You cannot exchange them 1 by 1. So I prefer apt-get remove. But please read both manpages. |
| 11:34.37 | CAiRO | jelly: otherwise i don't know how to pipe the filenames to iconv and then rename the files to the new name |
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| 11:38.33 | _lyte_ | hi all |
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| 11:39.05 | _lyte_ | what would you name your mail server if you are setting up one right now ? |
| 11:39.06 | CAiRO | jelly: ah, ok, ive found an example on the page youve provided, thanks |
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| 11:40.45 | jelly | CAiRO: there's no need to escape anything, just make sure your script quotes variable names properly in all the places (if it's a shell script) |
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| 11:41.14 | CAiRO | jelly: sure, there is the need to escape either ' or " characters, depending on what i use in my shell commands |
| 11:41.15 | mrguser | Hi how do i install package kit? Id like to use kpackagekit. |
| 11:41.27 | jelly | CAiRO: then you're doing it wrong |
| 11:41.38 | bolt | _lyte_: mailserver |
| 11:41.59 | CAiRO | jelly: might be.. |
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| 11:42.15 | mrguser | Anyone? |
| 11:42.32 | bolt | mrguser: apt-get? |
| 11:43.06 | techfiz | Hi guys, I'm trying to use Debian for our LAN, It freezes while working with NFS and NIS. Any pointers that you shoot out at me |
| 11:43.08 | mrguser | What is the exact package name? |
| 11:43.16 | jelly | CAiRO: eg. a='filename with " in it'; mv -v "$a" $(echo "$a"|recode latin2..utf8) # this is supposed to work |
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| 11:43.46 | CAiRO | jelly: that will fail if your filename contains a " |
| 11:43.58 | _lyte_ | thanks bolt |
| 11:44.05 | bolt | ... |
| 11:44.18 | jelly | CAiRO: no it won't |
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| 11:44.39 | CAiRO | jelly: yea, ok, your doing a='filename with " in it'; |
| 11:44.44 | jelly | CAiRO: eg. a='filename with " and ć in it'; mv -v "$a" "$(echo "$a"|recode utf8..latin2)" # just tried this |
| 11:44.50 | CAiRO | but what if you don't know if your filenames contain either ' or " |
| 11:44.57 | CAiRO | they could contain both characters |
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| 11:46.12 | CAiRO | but the trick is on the page youve provided.. i must not use xargs but instead find's built in exec option and then use ${1##*/} which will get the first argument and escape it properly |
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| 11:47.18 | jelly | CAiRO: it doesn't matter! |
| 11:47.49 | jelly | CAiRO: "$a" will pass the argument properly regardless of the contents of $a. It's just syntax |
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| 11:48.29 | jelly | no need to escape anything |
| 11:48.37 | CAiRO | jelly: yes, but $a does never get the complete file name |
| 11:48.48 | CAiRO | it stops at the point where the first " occurs in the filename |
| 11:48.56 | CAiRO | or the first space character |
| 11:49.05 | jelly | CAiRO: you're doing the input wrong, then |
| 11:49.14 | CAiRO | the input is the result of find |
| 11:49.23 | jelly | that won't happen with find ... -print0 | xargs -0 [...] |
| 11:49.24 | CAiRO | how can i do that wrong? |
| 11:49.37 | bolt | jelly, CAiRO: man convmv ? |
| 11:49.53 | jelly | bolt: reimplementation is fun! |
| 11:50.04 | bolt | jelly: make me a wheel |
| 11:50.17 | CAiRO | bolt: ah, thanks a lot :) |
| 11:51.02 | jelly | then again, solving issues makes free time to do something useful |
| 11:51.12 | bolt | yup :) |
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| 11:54.36 | KiDFlaSh | I want to kill a key, how can i do this? |
| 11:54.52 | bolt | flame thrower |
| 11:54.54 | KiDFlaSh | because it interrupts everything |
| 11:55.15 | bolt | glue |
| 11:55.21 | KiDFlaSh | ... |
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| 12:03.17 | jelly | you didn't really specify which sort of key needs killing, nor any other context useful for figuring out what the issue might be |
| 12:04.29 | jelly | bolt: a well placed hammer blow of three might do the trick |
| 12:04.59 | bolt | jelly: that too. or simply a pair of pliers to remove the key |
| 12:05.18 | jelly | hmm. |
| 12:05.22 | bolt | jelly: i think i'd find non-existing keys less annoying than nonresponsive ones |
| 12:06.01 | jelly | nonexisting key may give for a longer interruption than an obviously unusable one |
| 12:06.55 | jelly | it's a complex issue. there are both rational and imaginary parts. |
| 12:07.24 | bolt | what about a sign saying "don't touch <key>"? |
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| 12:08.08 | jelly | that might work if only the rational parts were involved |
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| 12:08.16 | bolt | true |
| 12:08.18 | Max_ | qualcuno sa che comando attribuire ad un'icona per cambiare area di lavoro? |
| 12:08.28 | bolt | there goes rational |
| 12:08.38 | bolt | !debian-es |
| 12:08.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:08.45 | jelly | bolt: it's Italian! |
| 12:08.48 | bolt | is not good with languages :( |
| 12:08.51 | jelly | !it |
| 12:08.51 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:09.05 | bolt | everything looks spanish to me |
| 12:09.20 | jelly | isn't fluent in Gnome ways of changing the workspace via CLI |
| 12:09.30 | Max_ | ok, sorry. I need to change working area by clicking on an icon |
| 12:10.04 | Max_ | but i don't know wich command set in in that icon |
| 12:10.58 | bolt | hm.. |
| 12:11.11 | bolt | try #gnome |
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| 12:11.38 | Orange_ | hi |
| 12:11.40 | Follow | Hi |
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| 12:15.31 | simonrvn | wonders why Orange_ and Follow are on the same host |
| 12:15.41 | lastnode | simonrvn, the kid is testing his bot |
| 12:16.06 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
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| 12:16.25 | simonrvn | thank you for answering so promptly :) |
| 12:16.41 | lastnode | np |
| 12:16.44 | KiDFlaSh | cant i ignore output? |
| 12:16.50 | KiDFlaSh | from usb |
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| 12:17.18 | KiDFlaSh | because, my usbaudio-card does send signal to push the volumedown button |
| 12:17.35 | KiDFlaSh | but this permanent pushingsignal blocks me |
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| 12:18.09 | KiDFlaSh | cheap work-- i think.... |
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| 12:20.07 | testlin | Greetings all. I am using debian as my nfs server. But it is taking too much time to create even a file of 10 mb with the command dd. The nfsstat output shows high number of badcalls. Any help is appreciated. |
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| 12:27.28 | dtcrshr | testlin |
| 12:27.39 | dtcrshr | samba? |
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| 12:31.04 | suzukinder | hello :) |
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| 12:33.08 | myeggo | hello |
| 12:33.23 | myeggo | this morning i came complaining an error with floaint point exception |
| 12:33.38 | myeggo | some nice guy suggested that harddisk or memory problem |
| 12:33.51 | myeggo | i also thought that, but not, the problem were Qt4 |
| 12:34.09 | myeggo | i just came to let know who want feed his empiric life |
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| 12:43.26 | testlin | dtcrshr: No. NFS. |
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| 12:44.57 | dondelelcaro | testlin: and the NFS server is a Debian machine too? |
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| 12:45.29 | testlin | dondelelcaro: Yes. Debin is nfs server with mirror |
| 12:45.50 | testlin | Debian* |
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| 12:45.55 | dondelelcaro | testlin: and they're on the same physical network? |
| 12:46.12 | testlin | dondelelcaro: Yes. On the same network. |
| 12:46.29 | dondelelcaro | testlin: generally speaking, that type of NFS failures tends to mean that you've got network hardware issues |
| 12:47.22 | testlin | dondelelcaro: Oh. hank yuo for your time. So the issue can be of a defective NIC or defective hdd? |
| 12:47.28 | testlin | Thank you* |
| 12:47.44 | dondelelcaro | testlin: generally it's actually cabelling; does the dd work at all? |
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| 12:48.27 | dondelelcaro | testlin: and does it work well on some machines and not others? |
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| 12:49.34 | testlin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.39 | dondelelcaro | testlin: on the server, running nfsstat; should tell you what is going on |
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| 12:49.53 | testlin | That is showing high number of badcalls |
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| 12:50.21 | dondelelcaro | testlin: ok; does it do that for all machines? can you test by plugging directly into the server? |
| 12:51.36 | testlin | dondelelcaro: e same issue persists on a different debian nfs server that is set up on a different network :( |
| 12:51.44 | testlin | The* |
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| 12:52.10 | dondelelcaro | testlin: hrm... and the client is running Debian too? |
| 12:52.39 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: nope, we are trying it with both CentOS and Kubuntu atm |
| 12:52.39 | testlin | No. CentOS and kubuntu |
| 12:53.09 | dondelelcaro | testlin: hrm... ok; what's the exports and mount line for the shared fs? |
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| 12:53.18 | dondelelcaro | also, can you try with a Debian machine? |
| 12:53.52 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: huh, it would be bit hard atm |
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| 12:54.47 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: is there any optimization that we could do with the network packets at kernel level |
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| 12:55.32 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: if a dd over the network is taking more than a few seconds, you've got other problems. |
| 12:55.46 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: I agree |
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| 12:56.20 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, here I trivially get 9.1 MB/s) |
| 12:56.51 | dondelelcaro | (and that's only 100Mbit) |
| 12:57.10 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: Let me quickly run a test on an another NFS server which I have setup here and connected via a different switch |
| 12:57.51 | dondelelcaro | anyway, if you give me the mount and /etc/exports option for that system, I can see if you've got something obviously wrong. |
| 12:57.51 | dondelelcaro | (FE, you may not have specified sec=sys, or something similar) |
| 12:57.51 | troubled | dondelelcaro: moin moin |
| 12:58.05 | troubled | simonrvn: chaiyya chaiyya :) |
| 12:58.25 | simonrvn | hi |
| 12:58.32 | troubled | dondelelcaro: you ever catch my msg about the !google? |
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| 12:59.11 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: /home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) |
| 12:59.14 | dondelelcaro | troubled: I think so; I don't remember having any comments about it, so whatever you were proposing was ok |
| 13:00.11 | troubled | dondelelcaro: well, it seems to work with minor issues. It returns a bunch of %20 links incorrectly and clicking them doesnt follow properly. Also, it looked like it was meant to do a max of 5 links, but only ever seems to return 4 *shrug* |
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| 13:00.32 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: ok, first you certainly want it to be root_squash |
| 13:00.36 | troubled | it doesnt always return the expanded urls though |
| 13:00.58 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: Okay, I will make that change now |
| 13:01.08 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: but that shouldn't be causing your porblem; otherwise it looks ok |
| 13:02.07 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: I have tried both of them already though |
| 13:02.27 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: the only other main question is what your mount options are |
| 13:02.39 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: I have an another CentOS server running with the same options and have got no issues |
| 13:02.46 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: let me get you all of them |
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| 13:03.00 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: just the /proc/mounts output for that mounted filesystem is enough |
| 13:03.03 | troubled | techfiz: are you sure you want no_root_squash? |
| 13:03.15 | dondelelcaro | troubled: yeah, that's what I said above |
| 13:03.22 | troubled | oh, didnt see, sry |
| 13:03.33 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: nfs,intr,rw,hard - this is what I normally use |
| 13:03.44 | troubled | techfiz: that would only be safe if you had ipsec or something to verify the ip's |
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| 13:04.18 | techfiz | troubled: yeah, will make note of it |
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| 13:04.36 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: you should have other options set too; /proc/mounts has the actual options that are set |
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| 13:05.45 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: nfs rw,relatime,vers=3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,intr,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,addr=192.168.0.2 0 0 |
| 13:06.12 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that all looks fine |
| 13:07.14 | dondelelcaro | if you've got other servers that the clients on the network are working fine with, I'd suspect the server's cabeling or its nic |
| 13:07.39 | dondelelcaro | since assuming you're running etch (and etch's kernel) on i386, I know that setup works just fine |
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| 13:09.00 | Ace2016_- | i've just bootstrapped the system, but things like console-data are missing, is there a meta package i can install to grab everything needed to get a bootable system like the kernel? |
| 13:09.33 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: yes, I'm running etch. I even tried this on a system which has got a Gigabit port but have same issue |
| 13:10.12 | techfiz | Tried adding few kernel parameters to sysctl too - kernel.msgmnb = 65536,kernel.shmmax = 4294967295,kernel.shmall = 268435456 |
| 13:10.24 | dondelelcaro | none of that needs to be set |
| 13:10.32 | troubled | 4gig of shm? |
| 13:11.00 | dondelelcaro | if you're not getting performance near the limit of your network link, something else is wrong |
| 13:11.04 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: troubled: have been trying various options ;) run the other server without any of this (Runs on CentOS) |
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| 13:13.11 | path__ | it doesnt seem an application layer issue |
| 13:13.31 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: how long is the dd taking? |
| 13:14.02 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: I'm not able quit dd, it just hangs |
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| 13:14.16 | troubled | ifconfig showing any errors or anything? |
| 13:14.16 | path__ | :-) |
| 13:15.04 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: and netstat -plunt; shows portmap listening on 0.0.0.0, right? |
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| 13:16.05 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* 2967/portmap |
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| 13:16.48 | techfiz | troubled: no errors with ifconfig |
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| 13:17.42 | troubled | not being able to quit dd with hard mode makes it sound almost as if the connection is being lost thats all |
| 13:17.46 | dondelelcaro | techfiz: and on tcp too, I hope? |
| 13:17.57 | dondelelcaro | but yeah, looks fine |
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| 13:19.03 | path__ | is there a way to reboot a machine without running any service ? |
| 13:19.16 | path__ | I want to be able to reboot a machine if hangs |
| 13:19.17 | techfiz | dondelelcaro: yeah listens on tcp |
| 13:19.27 | troubled | path__: you mean if the kernel panics? |
| 13:19.38 | troubled | could try software watchdog, but thats not promising anything |
| 13:19.56 | troubled | hardware watchdog is a better choice if you got some spare cash |
| 13:20.10 | path__ | troubled, yep or if something is going wrong |
| 13:20.23 | path__ | thanks I'll check it out :) |
| 13:21.26 | dondelelcaro | path__: if you've got real hardware, there are remote power controls... ILO, for example... |
| 13:22.14 | path__ | I've seen that wonderful thing on hp proliant servers dondelelcaro |
| 13:22.29 | troubled | think dell calls em dracs |
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| 13:22.45 | troubled | buggers that I got my dells from though removed em :( |
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| 13:23.44 | petemc | they're an optional (chargable) extra, no? |
| 13:23.56 | troubled | probably |
| 13:24.16 | dondelelcaro | could be; if you've got lots of servers, they're pretty much a necessity, though |
| 13:24.20 | troubled | brand new server hardware is a little out of my price range :) |
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| 13:30.33 | techfiz | try kvm swtich instead of DRAC server ;) that might cost bit less |
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| 13:35.25 | hanibana | hi all :) |
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| 13:35.34 | hanibana | I have a sarge debian system. |
| 13:35.56 | hanibana | what URL should I set in my sources.list ? |
| 13:36.09 | hanibana | I mean an internet mirror... |
| 13:36.14 | path__ | try looking at http://archives.debian.org |
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| 13:36.37 | path__ | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
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| 13:37.15 | hanibana | path___ : thanks :) |
| 13:37.19 | hanibana | good point |
| 13:37.37 | dondelelcaro | hanibana: though you really should upgrade to etch as soon as possible. |
| 13:37.40 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 13:37.54 | Ace2016_- | should one disable the auto install of recommended packages? |
| 13:38.13 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: generally speaking, no. |
| 13:38.27 | dondelelcaro | the exception is when you know enough to know that you can. |
| 13:38.49 | Ace2016_- | i tried to install mdadm and it tried to download an email server (citadel-common citadel-mta citadel-server ) which then ended up pulling more deps |
| 13:39.27 | Ace2016_- | all this time i've just let it install deps on its own, guess i should pay attention to what its installing |
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| 13:40.46 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: oh, that one is a known bug |
| 13:41.07 | Ace2016_- | its not a bug |
| 13:41.13 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: it actually is |
| 13:41.53 | Ace2016_- | why? i would certainly say that emailing the admin if the raid goes down is recommended |
| 13:42.04 | Clooth | How can I see what processes are using my RAM? |
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| 13:42.17 | Ace2016_- | clodde: top, or use something like ksysguard |
| 13:42.20 | troubled | which bug #? |
| 13:42.33 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: yes, but it should be Recommends: exim4 | mail-transport-agent, not what it is currently |
| 13:42.48 | troubled | ah |
| 13:42.49 | Clooth | Ace2016_- it says %MEM, is it % of the total memory? |
| 13:42.54 | troubled | so its forcing the citadel mta |
| 13:43.27 | dondelelcaro | well, it's not really forcing, but virtual package completion is undefined in such a case |
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| 13:43.44 | jelly | dondelelcaro: wasn't Priority supposed to count? |
| 13:43.52 | dondelelcaro | nope |
| 13:44.10 | Ace2016_- | dondelelcaro: well i guess it would be better if it asked which mailer to install |
| 13:44.43 | monokrome | Hello. I have a group named storage, and a directory recursively chowned by root:storage. Is there a way to make it so that when someone creates a new file and/or directory within this directory, it was automatically chmod 770? |
| 13:45.04 | asg | monokrome: set an appropriate umask |
| 13:45.05 | troubled | monokrome: set your umask's |
| 13:45.20 | monokrome | Alright. Thank you both. I will look into that =] |
| 13:45.59 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: well, you can always select it, but any of them will work. |
| 13:46.22 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: I personally suggest using nullmailer if you just want to get mail off your machine; postfix or exim otherwise, but the choice is yours |
| 13:47.08 | Ace2016_- | i do not want an email client, its a desktop machine and if the raid went down i would see it on my desktop or on bootup |
| 13:47.15 | jelly | it's only a Recommends anyway (but getting mail about degraded arrays is probably useful) |
| 13:47.18 | troubled | did they end up changing exim in lenny as the prefered mta? |
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| 13:47.33 | Ace2016_- | jelly: recommended packages are installed |
| 13:47.43 | jelly | Ace2016_-: by default, yes. |
| 13:48.02 | monokrome | Debian seems to not have a man page for umask... I already got one online, but I thought this might be something that someone might want to know. |
| 13:48.08 | Ace2016_- | jelly: have you set it to not install recommended packages? |
| 13:48.14 | troubled | monokrome: "help umask" |
| 13:48.20 | troubled | its a shell builtin |
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| 13:48.28 | monokrome | Oooh. Okay. |
| 13:48.29 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: even on a desktop machine, you want to be able to get mail off of the machine |
| 13:48.35 | jelly | Ace2016_-: yes. But I don't recommend it. :-) |
| 13:48.44 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016_-: that's why I recommended nullmailer |
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| 13:49.04 | liable | prefers ssmtp for a desktop/laptop |
| 13:49.49 | Ace2016_- | dondelelcaro: well i used -R to install it without the mailer, if i upgrade the system will it try to install the mailer? |
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| 13:50.07 | zxxd | how do i generate with "packit" a icmp unreachable packet? |
| 13:50.11 | Ace2016_- | no it doesn't seem to |
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| 13:51.44 | asg | zxxd: I'm sure the manpage can tell you |
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| 13:52.00 | zxxd | asg, how can you be sure |
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| 13:52.58 | Ace2016_- | zxxd: how can you be sure it doesn't unless you have read it? |
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| 13:57.00 | monokrome | troubled: Is there a version of that command that applies to all users? :| |
| 13:57.34 | troubled | monokrome: usually you would set it in /etc/profile or whatever global file handles preferences for the shell you are using |
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| 13:58.06 | troubled | its not enforced though in bash, unless perhaps you use rbash or bash -r |
| 13:58.07 | monokrome | troubled: But then it wouldn't be only specific to /mnt/storage, right? |
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| 13:58.25 | troubled | monokrome: no, it would apply to everything they did that honours the umask setting |
| 13:58.45 | monokrome | hmm |
| 13:58.52 | path__ | any recommended tool to keep track of what users do and emailing it? I've tested lfd but look forward to finding alternatives |
| 13:59.13 | troubled | monokrome: you could also use something like samba to force certain modes per dir if you need a more complicated setup |
| 13:59.45 | monokrome | Hmm... Yeah, I have the file creation mask set in Samba - but NFS doesn't have anything like that (obviously). |
| 14:00.44 | asg | path__: ttysnoop and logcheck |
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| 14:01.01 | troubled | monokrome: if its a real problem, I would probably just pre make certain dirs owned by root and chmod o= and make them group +rws for the dir |
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| 14:02.24 | path__ | thanks asg :) |
| 14:02.50 | edwin_quijada | where I can tell to CRON that use other email account different to root@server? |
| 14:03.08 | troubled | edwin_quijada: set MAILTO i think is the var |
| 14:03.13 | monokrome | troubled: The problem is that I access my share as monokrome, but samba wont let me access that share for some reason. Since smb is running as root, I assume it's an issue with the configs. Samba appears to be not linking my SMB account to my UNIX account? |
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| 14:03.24 | monokrome | troubled: sorry wrong window |
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| 14:03.34 | zxxd | Ace2016_-, how can you be sure it does? |
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| 14:03.59 | monokrome | troubled: Thanks again for your help. I will look into it further =] |
| 14:04.09 | troubled | monokrome: in samba you can force a user for a particular share for everyone accessing it, but thats probably a sign that you didnt setup samba right |
| 14:04.23 | troubled | monokrome: man smbpasswd |
| 14:04.41 | asg | zxxd: from reading it. The Packet Injection Examples section is particularly interesting |
| 14:05.20 | monokrome | The Samba issue is that I want my samba account to use the same permissions as my UNIX account, but that was something I was asking in another room - as I know it's off-topic here. I apologize for that. |
| 14:05.44 | troubled | monokrome: nah, its on topic if its a debian box :) |
| 14:06.10 | monokrome | Hmm... Then it's on topic, I suppoe. |
| 14:06.14 | monokrome | suppose* |
| 14:06.16 | troubled | monokrome: samba should use the permissions of the user you are loggin in as though |
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| 14:06.47 | monokrome | troubled: That's what I thought, but if I SSH into my box I can access this share. Samba wont let me, however. It shows the share but wont let me read it. |
| 14:07.16 | troubled | monokrome: but samba credentials aren't sync'd always (depends on your config). Usually its a once time copy, and you have to manually setup the passwd sync script and some pam voodoo to make sure the samba password is sync'd to samba's db |
| 14:08.14 | monokrome | The passwords are proper |
| 14:08.25 | monokrome | I can access my home dir, for instance. |
| 14:08.42 | troubled | you can? so whats the problem then? |
| 14:08.55 | apelW | hey. what program should I use to connect to internet through my mobile? |
| 14:08.57 | monokrome | I can't write to it, because the permissions arn't monokrome's proper permissiosn. |
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| 14:09.04 | apelW | (bluetooth) |
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| 14:09.16 | troubled | monokrome: make sure the default for the home dir share isnt read only |
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| 14:09.40 | jelly | apelW: which OS does the mobile device have? |
| 14:10.10 | monokrome | troubled: It's not. If that was the issue, I'd be able to read the storage share - however, since that directory is owned by the storage group |
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| 14:10.30 | monokrome | samba would let me read it if it were using the correct credentials |
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| 14:11.05 | troubled | monokrome: can you pastebin your storage share settings in smaba? |
| 14:11.38 | apelW | jelly: the mobile phones are sony ericsson p1i and sony ericsson c702 |
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| 14:11.54 | apelW | p1i uses symbian |
| 14:12.05 | apelW | the other one uses ericsson's own system |
| 14:12.17 | jelly | apelW: that's enough for me, I only know how to help with windows mobile. :-) |
| 14:12.25 | zxxd | where are packit docs? |
| 14:12.27 | zxxd | they are missing |
| 14:12.32 | apelW | hehe |
| 14:12.46 | apelW | If I wanted windows I would probably not be here at all :-P |
| 14:12.46 | monokrome | troubled: Never mind. I fixed it. It was a dumb error. Thanks again =] |
| 14:12.56 | troubled | :) |
| 14:12.57 | apelW | jelly: thank's anyway |
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| 14:14.19 | apelW | jelly: anyway. did you pair the phone using bluetooth? MAybe it?s just the same config |
| 14:14.28 | jelly | wm is easy to use as it has "internet connection sharing", and a simple bnep0 network device with dhcp "just works" |
| 14:14.45 | apelW | wm? |
| 14:14.46 | jelly | apelW: pairing is a separate issue. first get bluetooth working |
| 14:14.51 | jelly | "windows mobile" |
| 14:15.04 | apelW | bluetooth seems to be loaded (driver) |
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| 14:15.50 | jelly | apelW: can you see your device in kbluetooth or the appropriate applet for whatever your DE? |
| 14:17.31 | Ace2016_- | i'm in a chroot environment, is it possible to su to another on the host system so that i can work inside the user's home dir without messing up the permissions? |
| 14:17.47 | Ace2016_- | i messed up that question, let me try again |
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| 14:18.41 | HardDisk_WP | just a question |
| 14:18.44 | Ace2016_- | i'm in a chroot environment, is it possible to su to a user in the chroot so that i can work inside one of the chroot's user's home dir without messing up the permissions and writing files with root access? |
| 14:18.50 | HardDisk_WP | i have an standard usb to ide adaptor |
| 14:18.58 | HardDisk_WP | what will happen if i attach two disks to it? |
| 14:19.14 | HardDisk_WP | will debian recognize 'em as two disks, only the first disk or what? |
| 14:19.21 | Ace2016_- | HardDisk_WP: does the de to usb adapter support 2 disks? |
| 14:19.28 | HardDisk_WP | No idea =) |
| 14:19.29 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: consult the adapter manual |
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| 14:19.44 | HardDisk_WP | It's some noname part I don't have anything of^^ |
| 14:19.52 | HardDisk_WP | but do I risk damage? |
| 14:19.59 | jelly | but you just said it was "standard" |
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| 14:20.25 | Ace2016_- | i would assume that it would not, usb doesn't have the bandwidth for 2 drives |
| 14:20.26 | troubled | Ace2016_-: you wouldnt be able to su again unless you made su available inside the chroot |
| 14:20.27 | stew | Ace2016_-: yes, you can use su in a chroot, or look at schroot, which will let normal users chroot |
| 14:20.28 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: if you have to ask, don't do it. |
| 14:20.42 | Anna3 | how do i acces smy second hard drive? |
| 14:20.45 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 14:20.52 | HardDisk_WP | Anna3, either /dev/sdb or hdb |
| 14:21.17 | Ace2016_- | what happens if i sudo chroot to get into the chroot then su to a normal user then used su as the normal user? |
| 14:21.31 | Anna3 | dont see either |
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| 14:21.54 | Ace2016_- | Anna3: does it not show up in /dev? |
| 14:22.03 | troubled | Ace2016_-: assuming that all the related files were available inside the chroot for the user to execute? |
| 14:22.08 | Anna3 | nope |
| 14:22.13 | Ace2016_- | troubled: yes |
| 14:22.27 | Anna3 | ac tually |
| 14:22.29 | Anna3 | i see it |
| 14:22.35 | Anna3 | but isn't it suppose to b a folder? |
| 14:22.37 | troubled | Ace2016_-: then you would be able to escalate to root and from there root can break out of chroot if you wanted I believe |
| 14:22.45 | Ace2016_- | Anna3: you need to mount it |
| 14:22.57 | troubled | Ace2016_-: root can always break chroot unless you use something like grsecurity which prevents double chroots |
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| 14:23.33 | troubled | Ace2016_-: in fact, chroot on a root running process isnt really secure if you can exploit the app before it drops privs |
| 14:23.52 | troubled | well, without grsecurity at least |
| 14:23.53 | Ace2016_- | troubled: oh |
| 14:23.58 | Anna3 | how do i mount it? |
| 14:24.07 | Ace2016_- | Anna3: new to linux? |
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| 14:25.56 | troubled | Ace2016_-: but if you just want to use root to go into a dir that is the base dir for a users chroot, sure you can edit the files as root as if it were any other spot on the system |
| 14:26.40 | troubled | Ace2016_-: what means are you using to chroot your user? |
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| 14:31.13 | Ace2016_- | troubled: well i am creating a chroot install which i am going to boot into, i want to add some files to my new home directory and i don't want to chmod 777 them, so i'm trying to figure out how to copy the files over. basicly, its going Host system > logged in > sudo chroot to new root > ??? i thought i would create a symlink from the host system where i need to copy files to somewhere in the chroot and then login with su to the new |
| 14:31.13 | Ace2016_- | was created with adduser, then copy the files as the new user to avoid messing up permissions |
| 14:31.32 | gsamsa | i can i help translating debian to my language? |
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| 14:31.33 | Ace2016_- | it seems like a good idea since i would not have to touch chmod or chown |
| 14:31.41 | gsamsa | how can i help translating debian to my language? |
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| 14:31.59 | troubled | Ace2016_-: is it a loop back file system, or is it on a partition directly? |
| 14:32.25 | stew | gsamsa: which language? |
| 14:33.13 | gsamsa | stew: portuguese |
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| 14:34.14 | stew | gsamsa: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-portuguese/ or see http://i18n.debian.net/debian-l10n/brazilian/ |
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| 14:37.14 | gsamsa | stew: thanks... but i don't get it. |
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| 14:37.35 | gsamsa | i don't know where to find a list of packages to translate |
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| 14:45.01 | stew | gsamsa: i don't either, but people on that mailing list do |
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| 14:50.13 | CoolCold | hi |
| 14:50.17 | monokrome | yo |
| 14:50.25 | CoolCold | does anybody use ucarp? |
| 14:51.20 | hoxu | !tell CoolCold about popcon |
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| 14:52.20 | abrotman | CoolCold: if we did .. would you want help with it? |
| 14:52.33 | techfiz | how do I make NFS run only with UDP |
| 14:52.42 | monokrome | :| |
| 14:53.13 | Baum- | i think now what the problem on lenny seems to be. on etch i still have a /etc/shadow file on lenny i dont. so why dont have a shadow file when using ldap on lenny |
| 14:54.34 | asg | Baum-: use 'shadowconfig' to turn that support on. Should have been done at install time though. |
| 14:54.38 | Baum- | is there a process or script which would remove the /etc/shadow on lenny when im using ldap with pam.d |
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| 14:54.53 | Baum- | asg ok |
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| 14:56.53 | CoolCold | abrotman: what u mean? how can i help u? |
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| 14:58.05 | hoxu | CoolCold, he wanted to know if what you asked was really what you wanted to know, or if you need actual help with ucarp |
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| 15:00.53 | Python1320 | hmm, quick question exim or postix and why? |
| 15:01.05 | Orange_ | WOW |
| 15:01.08 | Orange_ | OMG |
| 15:01.58 | koollman | Python1320: the only reasonable answer would be 'it depends'. my fast answer would be 'postfix', because exim has troubles handling large load, and I understand how postfix works |
| 15:02.03 | CoolCold | i just interesting in, have 2 servers, planning to do autofailover, looks like ucarp is for this |
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| 15:02.08 | Orange_ | CooCold |
| 15:02.21 | Orange_ | can i ask a Quick favour |
| 15:02.22 | CoolCold | but mb it has some limitations or smth like this |
| 15:02.35 | Orange_ | CoolCold |
| 15:02.43 | Orange_ | Can I PM You |
| 15:02.47 | CoolCold | Orange_: of cuz |
| 15:03.10 | format_c | !tell Python1320 start a MTA war |
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| 15:03.17 | Python1320 | :\ |
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| 15:03.33 | format_c | deamn |
| 15:03.48 | Python1320 | koollman, yeah "it depends" is damn true. |
| 15:04.24 | Orange_ | CoolCold |
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| 15:04.43 | Python1320 | Mine would be just a small server. Like 10-50 users at maximum. So I still need some mysql based (or similar) management. |
| 15:05.17 | Orange_ | dxccsccdcdcxdcdcdcx |
| 15:05.22 | Orange_ | CooolCold |
| 15:05.26 | format_c | Python1320, I guess it's just personal favour. |
| 15:05.27 | Orange_ | W/UCC |
| 15:05.29 | Orange_ | r |
| 15:05.29 | Orange_ | wv |
| 15:05.30 | Orange_ | wf |
| 15:05.30 | Orange_ | w |
| 15:05.30 | Orange_ | wev |
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| 15:05.39 | fender | haha |
| 15:05.41 | format_c | LOL :) |
| 15:05.47 | Python1320 | format_c, something like that |
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| 15:05.55 | lastnode | hi |
| 15:05.55 | Orange_ | Hi |
| 15:06.04 | lastnode | abrotman, ping |
| 15:06.05 | format_c | Orange_, what did you do |
| 15:06.08 | fender | What are you doing |
| 15:06.09 | lastnode | ops, if anyone i slistening |
| 15:06.09 | Orange_ | ? |
| 15:06.12 | format_c | hiting the keyboard with your head? |
| 15:06.15 | lastnode | Orange_ is writing a bot |
| 15:06.20 | Orange_ | ? |
| 15:06.21 | lastnode | and he keeps spamming, he was just banned in #freenode |
| 15:06.25 | Ace2016_- | troubled: the chroot is on its own partition |
| 15:06.37 | Orange_ | ???? |
| 15:06.46 | Python1320 | format_c, that's actually the reason why I posted my question here to see which one people use more. |
| 15:06.46 | troubled | Orange_, lastnode: you guys were diciplined earlier in #freenode for this stuff, knock it off |
| 15:06.47 | enouf | Orange_: quit it |
| 15:07.08 | troubled | Ace2016_-: just mount the partition then on a full system and update the files? |
| 15:07.13 | Orange_ | Search For "Free Web Hosting" on google the top one has a comments its me |
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| 15:07.22 | Orange_ | i like googles new comment feature |
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| 15:07.32 | Orange_ | you can advertise without even paying |
| 15:07.39 | hoxu | Orange_, drop the offtopic discussion, if you don't have debian questions please leave |
| 15:07.55 | enouf | Orange_: nobody cares - do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:07.58 | Orange_ | i didnt join |
| 15:08.07 | Orange_ | i was force joined |
| 15:08.15 | format_c | Python1320, I personally use exim |
| 15:08.16 | lastnode | like i said |
| 15:08.18 | fender | hy |
| 15:08.19 | fender | why |
| 15:08.23 | lastnode | brother needs a /kick |
| 15:08.32 | fender | wait |
| 15:08.40 | Python1320 | format_c, also compiled yourself? |
| 15:08.48 | fender | your explanation? |
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| 15:09.15 | Ace2016_- | troubled: but what about the owner of the files and write access? writing files in the new users /home will end up with me as the owner and not the new user right? |
| 15:10.04 | troubled | Ace2016_-: just make the files and chown/chgrp them after you are done |
| 15:10.05 | enouf | Ace2016_-: su username? or .. make their home/ part of staff? and your user too? |
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| 15:10.12 | ReKlipz1 | does anyone know how I setup a web server running apache2 to use a domain name? |
| 15:11.01 | superjet_busy | !tell ReKlipz1 about RTFM |
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| 15:11.25 | enouf | Ace2016_-: i mean the staff 'group' file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html (though i'm not certain) |
| 15:11.33 | hoxu | ReKlipz1, you are probably thinking of vhosts, dig the apache docs for that |
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| 15:12.15 | Orange_ | CoolCold |
| 15:12.23 | Orange_ | PM Answer |
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| 15:13.04 | ReKlipz1 | I know how to configure apache to work with the domain, using the servername option, so let me rephrase. What steps do I need to take to setup the proper nameservers to use with a domain registrar (like namespace.com or godaddy.com) to have the domain point to my server (which just _happens_ to be apache2)? |
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| 15:13.37 | JyZyXEL | ReKlipz1 install BIND? |
| 15:13.46 | naitram | using etch. want a single dvd to contain all the packages i have installed, want to lock a set of files to what I have installed. how would you go about this? |
| 15:13.51 | enouf | go|dfish: ? wtf with oria? :-p |
| 15:13.52 | hoxu | ReKlipz1, that's not related to apache at all. For a domain you need two servers with static IPs |
| 15:14.01 | JyZyXEL | !tell ReKlipz1 about bind |
| 15:14.03 | troubled | enouf: /notice |
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| 15:14.22 | enouf | troubled: i see thanks |
| 15:14.29 | go|dfish | enouf: Had to hide for a few months. |
| 15:14.33 | hoxu | ReKlipz1, you most likely want someone else to host DNS for your domain, and have them point just an A or CNAME record to your server |
| 15:14.38 | Ace2016_- | too complicated, i will boot up the chroot and deal with the files then, i guess i have to wait with a degraded raid untill its coppied over |
| 15:14.49 | Ace2016_- | until* |
| 15:14.53 | hoxu | !tell naitram about aptitude clone |
| 15:14.57 | enouf | go|dfish: wow ... nice to see you're swimming in the bowl again ;-) |
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| 15:15.40 | go|dfish | enouf: :) |
| 15:16.48 | naitram | hoxu: thanks |
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| 15:17.20 | superjet_busy | a little question, which is more site for normal desktop usage tracker,recoll or strigi? |
| 15:18.08 | gsamsa | can some help me with translating debian packages ? |
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| 15:18.33 | superjet_busy | gsamsa: translate what? |
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| 15:19.03 | CoolCold | so, noone is using ucarp? |
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| 15:19.16 | gsamsa | superjet_busy: debian internationalization |
| 15:19.41 | superjet_busy | gsamsa: package name? |
| 15:19.46 | enouf | gsamsa: best to ask on lists.debian.org .. might need to find the relevant list, which i'm not sure of - IINM, the l10 packages are the internationalization ones |
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| 15:20.03 | gsamsa | superjet_busy: centerim |
| 15:20.18 | hoxu | CoolCold, come back when you have a real problem and real question |
| 15:20.28 | gsamsa | enouf: there isn't such a list for portuguese |
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| 15:21.21 | enouf | gsamsa: i am in the process of asking someone for you |
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| 15:23.08 | Orange_ | Say Hi |
| 15:23.10 | Orange_ | hi |
| 15:23.12 | Orange_ | hi |
| 15:23.18 | Orange_ | hi |
| 15:23.20 | Orange_ | hi |
| 15:23.22 | Orange_ | hi |
| 15:23.24 | fender | ? |
| 15:23.24 | Orange_ | hi |
| 15:23.26 | fender | stop |
| 15:23.27 | adb | stop |
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| 15:23.33 | hoxu | !ops Orange_ spamming |
| 15:23.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: Orange_ spamming |
| 15:23.45 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.02 | hoxu | repeat offender at that |
| 15:24.06 | hoxu | thanks |
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| 15:24.37 | CoolCold | hoxu: real question is - is it usable? is it reliable ? |
| 15:25.51 | hoxu | no idea, but you aren't going to get answers to vague questions even if there are people who use it, I'm afraid |
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| 15:31.18 | CoolCold | hoxu: i c |
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| 15:32.31 | gsamsa | enouf: i never thought that it would be so hard to contribute |
| 15:33.13 | gsamsa | thanks for helping |
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| 15:36.53 | adb | gsamsa: http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/README-trans |
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| 15:37.05 | jetx | pda luv |
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| 15:39.34 | adb | gsamsa: http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-portuguese/ |
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| 15:41.43 | jmeeuwen | hey there |
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| 15:42.13 | gsamsa | adb: the people in that list speak in brazilian, not portuguese. |
| 15:42.35 | Eulex | hello |
| 15:42.36 | jmeeuwen | i'm setting up a debian mirror to allow unattended installations in a classroom / laboratory setup, and i wanted to know if there's a sample preseed snippet for me to disable the use of debian-security repository? |
| 15:46.48 | sepski | jmeeuwen, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-apt but also check out FAI |
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| 15:46.54 | Eulex | I've setup a network interfaces as follows: http://www.pastebin.ca/1291535 but still dhcp appears to be used for it, as it gets assigned a dynamic ip (192.168.1.2). |
| 15:47.18 | Eulex | *interface |
| 15:48.01 | sepski | do you have a auto eth0 line as well ? |
| 15:48.12 | jmeeuwen | sepski, i've been playing around with that snippet, yes, but i'm not familiar with preseed... how to do make "#d-i apt-setup/services-select multiselect security, volatile" into "do not use anything at all?" |
| 15:48.24 | jmeeuwen | sepski, so far, my attempts have resulted in ftp.security.debian.org being used... |
| 15:48.39 | Eulex | sepski, nope. |
| 15:48.41 | naitram_ | !tell naitram about reinstall |
| 15:48.45 | jmeeuwen | i've also succeeded in pointing it to the local mirror but that is out of sync most of the time |
| 15:49.23 | sepski | jmeeuwen, just set it to a empty string with d-i apt-setup/security_host string |
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| 15:49.55 | jmeeuwen | and an empty services-select, i presume? |
| 15:50.01 | sepski | run a approx or apt-proxy for security. that way you download from the net the first time. all the other machines get it localy from the proxy |
| 15:50.09 | sepski | or just use squid or similar... |
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| 15:50.14 | zxxd | what tools can i use for detecting the monitor model? |
| 15:50.57 | cahoot | xorg doesn't recognise it? |
| 15:51.08 | mhymn | zxxd: this might help --> /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 15:51.21 | zxxd | i want to create profiles based on the detected monitor |
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| 15:51.25 | zxxd | different refresh rates |
| 15:51.35 | zxxd | i have alot of monitors |
| 15:52.14 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 15:52.46 | Ace2016_- | the chroot i made doesn't have /boot/grub/ the folder is not there i have installed grub but it doesn't exist what should i do? |
| 15:53.25 | sepski | run update-grub ? |
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| 15:54.35 | Ace2016_- | sepski: it couldn't find the grub folder so i'm trying grub install now |
| 15:54.55 | Ace2016_- | ok that seems to be working |
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| 15:57.39 | Ace2016_- | nope errored, The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 15:58.50 | enouf | gsamsa: i see someone else pointed you .. oh, ok - try http://www.debian.org/international/Portuguese ? |
| 16:00.26 | enouf | gsamsa: i'm no master of dialects, but i thought brazilian people speak portuguese? or .. there's some variation from the country portugal? or .. are you a troll? |
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| 16:02.01 | enouf | Ace2016_-: try /msg dpkg grubchroot and /msg dpkg fixgrub |
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| 16:04.13 | enouf | Ace2016_-: or ... you might want/need to --root-directory=/boot if boot is a separate partition |
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| 16:05.05 | enouf | Ace2016_-: also, don't try installing to an mdadm /dev/name, install to a physical disk |
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| 16:11.20 | gsamsa | enouf: brazillian portuguese and portuguese are two different languages, pt_BR and pt_PT. |
| 16:11.49 | enouf | gsamsa: interesting .. i never knew that |
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| 16:13.13 | enouf | gsamsa: but i'm sure between the 3 URLs you've been given you can find out where to go (even if just from replies on the mailing lists) for further more detailed info, yes? |
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| 16:14.44 | abrotman | lastnbah |
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| 16:15.11 | enouf | passes abrotman his daily meds :-P |
| 16:15.14 | gsamsa | enouf: there is indeed a portuguese project for translation. but i still don't have a clue on how to translate the centerim package. |
| 16:15.33 | Ace2016_- | This is what i am running: root@Linux:/boot# grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sdb -> The file /boot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 16:15.36 | naitram | ok, looked at dpkg --get-selections .. method of cloning a system. However this does not get packages I built. I want to include them as well, and put in package list. How? |
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| 16:16.09 | enouf | Ace2016_-: is /boot mounted? if so where? use =/mnt/point |
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| 16:16.15 | pipeline | naitram: if it doesn't get the packages you built, you did it wrong :) |
| 16:16.27 | pipeline | naitram: the most straightforward way to clone a system is to use 'tar --one-filesystem' |
| 16:16.32 | enouf | heh, you are in /boot :-P |
| 16:16.49 | pipeline | naitram: the "debian-approved" method is to use 'dpkg --get-selections' plus the 'debconfg-get-selections' utility program. |
| 16:17.26 | Ace2016_- | enouf: yes mounted by the chroot and shows up in its /etc/mtab, update-grub made a good menu.lst |
| 16:17.48 | pipeline | naitram: tar example... 'mount /target; (cd /; tar --one-filesystem -cpf - /) | (cd /target; tar -xvpf -) |
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| 16:18.04 | enouf | that's nice, and answers only one of two questions, but the answer is also there |
| 16:18.47 | naitram | pipeline: and when I get ready to reinstall, don't I have to install debian before I can use tar on the target machine? |
| 16:19.03 | pipeline | naitram: ?? |
| 16:19.06 | _KaszpiR__ | ffs why mandriva is so fucked -_- |
| 16:19.26 | enouf | nope - you need to only reinstall the bootloader |
| 16:19.27 | asg | _KaszpiR__: ask #mandriva |
| 16:19.39 | pipeline | naitram: you don't need to install anything on the target machine, just partition it and install a bootloader. You'll copy the root and boot filesystems individually with tar to the target. |
| 16:19.46 | Ace2016_- | enouf: found the problem, inode size was too big |
| 16:19.46 | _KaszpiR__ | i rather format thet gay mandriva box and install debian on it |
| 16:19.55 | enouf | asg: ..and keep the answer there ;-) |
| 16:20.26 | enouf | Ace2016_-: haha .. wha? how'd you manage that? |
| 16:20.28 | pipeline | naitram: if the target disk isn't trivially mounted in the victim, use a livecd to give you ssh and tar on the target... tar through ssh is straightforward. 'tar -cpf - / | ssh livecd_host "(cd /target_disk; tar -xvpf - )"' |
| 16:20.51 | Ace2016_- | enouf: i have no idea, i do the strangest things |
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| 16:22.24 | naitram | pipeline: I want the ability to have end user just put a cd in a machine and it get reconfigured, I have looked at mondorescue but assume this will only work if it is similar hardware. What are your suggestions |
| 16:23.02 | enouf | naitram: if the hardware is dissimilar, you're talking about making your own installer basically |
| 16:23.11 | pipeline | naitram: I'm not here to hold your hand. |
| 16:23.41 | naitram | pipeline: what are you here for, volunteer right? thanks for your help |
| 16:23.49 | enouf | naitram: also look at systemimager-{common,server,client} if it's not dissimilar |
| 16:24.44 | naitram | enouf: is there a path to making my own installer that you are aware of? |
| 16:24.57 | enouf | naitram: see #debian-live perhaps |
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| 16:25.15 | enouf | !ccd |
| 16:25.25 | enouf | !custom cd |
| 16:25.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 16:25.33 | enouf | or that |
| 16:25.43 | Ace2016_- | enouf: it still doesn't work :( |
| 16:25.55 | naitram | enouf: thanks |
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| 16:25.57 | enouf | Ace2016_-: you do strange things :-p |
| 16:27.01 | enouf | naitram: for cloning a system, and reinstalling, also might want to look at the bootcd package |
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| 16:27.20 | enouf | but i like pipeline 's ease and use of tar too |
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| 16:28.23 | naitram | enouf: yeah, all good info from pipeline, just am not sure it fits what I want. End users will have zero linux abilities. so, want it as easy as possible |
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| 16:30.37 | centreUser | hi to all, ive a supermicro server with 12Gb of ram and dual core AMD opteron 64. when i compile the kernel, and i boot i get a error when load : system 00:0f : iomem range 0x100000-0xdffffff could not be reserved |
| 16:30.45 | enouf | naitram: maybe you want to become an OEM :-p |
| 16:31.28 | enouf | centreUser: does that stop the boot process? which version of debian? which ISO exactly did you use to install? |
| 16:31.52 | enouf | yeah, that looks like it's chewing up a LOT of ram :-p |
| 16:32.16 | centreUser | stop the boot process |
| 16:32.30 | enouf | centreUser: check your BIOS for i/o mem remap hole settings |
| 16:32.33 | Ace2016_- | enouf: well turns out that fdisk -l shows that the partition is fat32, it should be a single drive raid1 |
| 16:32.42 | enouf | hahaha |
| 16:32.49 | centreUser | i've iommem disabled and not works |
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| 16:33.13 | enouf | answer the other questions |
| 16:33.59 | enouf | Ace2016_-: if indeed, the FStype is another, you can easily change the ID using cfdisk |
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| 16:35.03 | centreUser | enouf i've iommu mode set to best fit, aperture size 2Gb |
| 16:35.18 | adb | gsamsa: ls /usr/share/locale/pt/LC_MESSAGES/ | grep centerim |
| 16:35.42 | adb | get what ? |
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| 16:38.09 | gsamsa | adb: nothing |
| 16:40.09 | gsamsa | adb: i downloaded the source and there is no pt_PT.po file. can i create one and submit it to debian? |
| 16:40.16 | enouf | adb: hrm, i have a /pt_BR and a /pt_PT in /locale/ not /pt/ |
| 16:40.33 | enouf | but my shit is old, and i use localepurge :-P |
| 16:40.40 | centreUser | enouf can'u help me? |
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| 16:41.02 | enouf | centreUser: not without helping us help you, by answering questions |
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| 16:42.02 | enouf | centreUser: i just saw you said |
| 16:42.23 | enouf | "when i compile a kernel" .. why are you compiling? <-- add that to the list |
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| 16:42.37 | centreUser | i compile the latest kernel with AMD opteron support |
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| 16:42.47 | centreUser | i allways compile my kernel |
| 16:42.52 | Ace2016_- | enouf: it worked with the changed partition type, thanks |
| 16:42.53 | jelly | centreUser: what is the reason for having a custom kernel? |
| 16:42.54 | enouf | centreUser: use a debian one |
| 16:43.04 | centreUser | becouse i use a patched kernel |
| 16:43.05 | centreUser | later |
| 16:43.07 | centreUser | when this work |
| 16:43.09 | enouf | IF you aer indeed running debian |
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| 16:43.26 | enouf | which is still to be determined |
| 16:43.42 | centreUser | this a default kernel source, and not works, when works i patch it whith security and drivers patches. |
| 16:43.47 | enouf | otherwise - ask ##linux .. or #hardware or something |
| 16:43.49 | jelly | centreUser: so, you could start with debian's .config and see the differences. which debian relelase? |
| 16:43.49 | centreUser | but first i need to resolve this. |
| 16:44.00 | HardDisk_WP | heya |
| 16:44.01 | HardDisk_WP | what's the fastest way to see statistics of all builtin drives? |
| 16:44.05 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, something like sda: 600gb sdb:40gb sdc 120gb |
| 16:44.43 | enouf | HardDisk_WP:likely lshal or something .. or /proc/partitions |
| 16:45.00 | Tekno | df -h |
| 16:45.02 | enouf | or hdparm, or dmesg |
| 16:45.12 | enouf | Tekno: mounted only |
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| 16:45.49 | Ace2016_- | !kde4 |
| 16:45.49 | dpkg | kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 16:46.07 | jelly | centreUser: cat /etc/debian_version; dpkg -l libc6|tail -1; uname -a |
| 16:46.15 | HardDisk_WP | Tekno, some of the partitions arent mounted, and I'm too lazy/stupid for summing up partition sizes (one of the drives has 10 partitions!) |
| 16:46.22 | HardDisk_WP | dmesg is also not good, because it are seven disks^^ |
| 16:46.39 | cahoot | cat /sys/block/sd*/size ? |
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| 16:47.53 | thomas | hello |
| 16:48.03 | Ace2016_- | thomas: hi |
| 16:48.27 | thomas | have for my new notebook (fujitsu siemens) the exprimental sources :-( (kernel ...) |
| 16:48.32 | thomas | works good BUT |
| 16:48.45 | thomas | the keyboard layout is aboslute wrong. |
| 16:49.02 | Ace2016_- | thomas: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:49.04 | thomas | after (lenny) works good but now with experimental not |
| 16:49.25 | thomas | Ace2016_-: i have it. if i press alt+gr then is it an enter |
| 16:50.08 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, sounds good, but can I convert this to humanreadable? |
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| 16:50.17 | Ace2016_- | thomas: did only install the kernel from experimental or did you install more things? |
| 16:50.17 | TSP__ | Hi all |
| 16:50.30 | Ace2016_- | TSP__: hi |
| 16:50.37 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: ~$ sudo blockdev --report /dev/hd? |
| 16:50.40 | TSP__ | Hi ace2001ac8 |
| 16:50.43 | thomas | Ace2016_-: the kernel and xorg (i need the intel driver from the new version for my external screen= |
| 16:50.46 | thomas | ) |
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| 16:51.15 | TSP__ | Every time i login viua ssh i get "you have mail" where i can setup this? |
| 16:51.19 | thomas | Ace2016_-: i think its a xorg "problem". i have step for step testet. first step with kernel, reboot - no problem. |
| 16:51.19 | TSP__ | via* |
| 16:51.23 | Ace2016_- | thomas: the keyboard layout messed up in the terminal too? |
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| 16:51.45 | thomas | Ace2016_-: if i then step 2, xorg then i have a funny keyboard layout :) |
| 16:51.53 | adb | gsamsa: ah , locale has pt_PT/ and pt/ , but centerim-common has only pt-BR/ so fill a wish bug for locale/pt-PT for centerim-common |
| 16:51.56 | thomas | Ace2016_-: emm, yes, moment, i testet. |
| 16:52.08 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, also, not human-readable, and I don't want all the partitions :( |
| 16:52.14 | Ace2016_- | thomas: you could go back to an older kernel and then test the keyboard, then you know if its the kernel |
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| 16:52.40 | thomas | Ace2016_-: i have no problem with the kernel. the kernel 2.6.27-1 with the old xorg no problem |
| 16:52.46 | thomas | with the new xorg is a problem |
| 16:52.48 | Ace2016_- | i suspect xorg or one of its dependencies |
| 16:53.03 | thomas | xorg use now with HAL or? |
| 16:53.11 | thomas | since sid? |
| 16:53.27 | enouf | but that's block .. wait .. ok, so blockdev --getsize64 /dev/hd? |
| 16:53.28 | TSP__ | Anyone know's how can i avoid ssh to add a new mail in /var/mail/myuser every time i do a login? |
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| 16:53.42 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: no partitions should be listed |
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| 16:54.12 | jelly | TSP__: ssh doesn't send mail. |
| 16:54.19 | zxxd | q/dcc |
| 16:54.22 | zxxd | \dcc |
| 16:54.24 | zxxd | \/dcc |
| 16:54.47 | TSP__ | jelly, i see You have mail. after every ssh login |
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| 16:54.55 | zxxd | i don't like jelly |
| 16:55.04 | TSP__ | and if i check /var/mail7myuser i see this email.. |
| 16:55.11 | gsamsa | adb: thank you |
| 16:55.19 | jelly | TSP__: have you tried deleting it? |
| 16:55.23 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, oh, I accidentally typed * instead of ?...but still, not humanreadable |
| 16:55.27 | adb | gsamsa: welcome |
| 16:55.34 | jelly | TSP__: (the mail, with a mail client) |
| 16:55.35 | TSP__ | yes...i get a new "shinny" file...:( |
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| 16:55.53 | cahoot | empty? |
| 16:56.02 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: how is $ blockdev --getsize64 /dev/hd? |
| 16:56.02 | enouf | 8060422144 |
| 16:56.06 | jelly | TSP__: ls -ld /var/mail/myuser |
| 16:56.10 | enouf | non-human readable? |
| 16:56.31 | HardDisk_WP | marco@marco-laptop:~$ sudo blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sd? |
| 16:56.32 | HardDisk_WP | 320072933376 |
| 16:56.41 | HardDisk_WP | I can't imagine ANYTHING from this number -.- |
| 16:56.43 | enouf | and? |
| 16:56.45 | TSP__ | /var/mail/myuser is not a directory is a file |
| 16:56.46 | gsamsa | i ran dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:56.50 | enouf | imagine? |
| 16:56.52 | enouf | it |
| 16:56.54 | gsamsa | selected pt_PT:utf-8 |
| 16:56.56 | jelly | TSP__: paste the output please. |
| 16:56.57 | HardDisk_WP | how many gigabytes is that? |
| 16:56.58 | enouf | it's a 320GB disk |
| 16:57.07 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: that's bytes listed |
| 16:57.10 | HardDisk_WP | heh, I'm not good at calculating =) |
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| 16:57.14 | naitram | !tell naitram about clone |
| 16:57.19 | gsamsa | when i run 'locale' however, LANGUAGE is set to pt_BR. |
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| 16:57.22 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: bc is good at it. |
| 16:57.27 | enouf | heh |
| 16:57.47 | HardDisk_WP | anyway, now I at least got some idea how big the drives are |
| 16:57.48 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 16:58.03 | TSP__ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root mail 9 dic 22 14:58 /var/mail/abednarik |
| 16:58.05 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: the issue becomes, which exact sd? is that? :-P |
| 16:58.07 | \amethyst | gsamsa: have you logged out and back in? which does /etc/default/locale refer to? |
| 16:58.31 | jelly | TSP__: that file shouldn't be owned by root |
| 16:58.36 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, actually, it sorts alphabetically^^ |
| 16:58.48 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: hence, dmesg | egrep 'sd|hd' .. followed by some filtering might help :-P |
| 16:58.51 | gsamsa | # more /etc/default/locale |
| 16:58.51 | gsamsa | LANG=pt_PT.UTF-8 |
| 16:58.51 | gsamsa | LANGUAGE="pt:pt_BR:en" |
| 16:58.55 | gsamsa | \amethyst: |
| 16:58.56 | enouf | heh |
| 16:59.21 | TSP__ | i removed that file |
| 16:59.27 | naitram | i upgrade a package from source, why does it now show up in dpkg --get-selections. Installed wrong place? |
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| 17:00.00 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i now know at least which of the disks around my computer is what sdX,and that's enough^^ |
| 17:00.02 | \amethyst | gsamsa: hm... strange, never seen LANGUAGE before |
| 17:00.07 | naitram | should have read <now> NOT show up in... |
| 17:00.13 | TSP__ | jelly, well now now, after a new login the file is not created again.... |
| 17:00.17 | TSP__ | that worked, thanks |
| 17:00.28 | \amethyst | gsamsa: you might try editing that to pt_PT instead of pt_BR |
| 17:00.30 | TSP__ | i was looking in sshd config |
| 17:00.38 | jelly | TSP__: nothing to do with ssh. |
| 17:00.57 | TSP__ | ok |
| 17:01.28 | jelly | TSP__: the "You have mail." message is actually shown by either the login shell, or by a small app started in the shell rc scripts when a user logs in |
| 17:01.50 | jelly | TSP__: if you had logged in on the console, you would have seen it, too |
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| 17:02.27 | TSP__ | ok, thanks... |
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| 17:02.48 | \amethyst | if you're using bash you can do MAILCHECK=-1 in your .bashrc to avoid it telling you about new mail |
| 17:02.57 | adb | gsamsa: as said NOW centerim-common has no locale/pt_PT maybe do a simlink to use locale/pt_BR/ >>> ln -s /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/centerim.mo /usr/share/locale/pt_PT/LC_MESSAGES/centerim.mo <<< |
| 17:03.11 | thomas | how i can install the old xorg |
| 17:03.15 | thomas | have now expririemental |
| 17:03.23 | thomas | and I would like now lenny |
| 17:03.32 | jelly | thomas: aptitude install xserver-xorg/lenny |
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| 17:03.41 | naitram | should a package that I build from source and install show up in outuput when dpkg --get-selections is ran? |
| 17:04.17 | jelly | thomas: if you have "xorg" package installed, use that |
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| 17:04.23 | SnoFox | Why did most of the shortcut keys just stop working on my keyboard? I just restarted one day, and poof. -.-' |
| 17:04.23 | valdyn | naitram: package is package is package |
| 17:04.45 | valdyn | naitram: no matter who built it |
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| 17:06.27 | naitram | valdyn: maybe im asking the wrong question. I built an application from source, I suppose that may be the problem. I did not create a package just because I built the app, right? |
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| 17:07.01 | wad | How do I start a process disconnected from the console? |
| 17:07.23 | SnoFox | Or at least, what can I do to try to fix it? :\ |
| 17:07.26 | jimpy | !tell wad about screen |
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| 17:07.56 | Ace2016_- | is there a meta package which will get me archivers? will p7zip be enough for most tasks or am i better off using the separate packages? |
| 17:08.08 | thomas | jelly: and a complete downgrade to lenny? |
| 17:08.11 | wad | jimpy: Yeah, screen rocks. But I need to do this in a script. I don't care about the output. |
| 17:08.33 | jimpy | oh ok <command> > /dev/null & |
| 17:08.42 | wad | Ah, thanks. |
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| 17:08.49 | wad | Oh, it's the &! |
| 17:08.55 | jimpy | yup |
| 17:08.57 | Ace2016_- | i just want a good, solid gui extracting program |
| 17:09.16 | jelly | thomas: I have no idea, hopefully you remember what crap you installed from experimental. There are also logs. |
| 17:09.46 | newsense | Ace2016_-, ark |
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| 17:10.31 | Ace2016_- | newsense: it isn't doing so well in kde4 |
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| 17:10.47 | adb | Ace2016_-: mc ? |
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| 17:11.06 | newsense | Ace2016_-, i used it once and it worked well from what i remember, sorry |
| 17:12.30 | elvedin_ | So there are a few thousand defunct sshd processes on my system and it wont let me log in over ssh |
| 17:12.49 | elvedin_ | Is there some sort of new attack? I don't think I'm getting ddosed |
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| 17:14.06 | Ace2016_- | what about killall |
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| 17:15.30 | jimpy | elvadin: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/21/2327257 |
| 17:15.50 | jimpy | apparently theres a lot going around at the moment |
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| 17:16.52 | elvedin_ | Hmm |
| 17:16.59 | elvedin_ | That's what I get for not reading slashdot at work |
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| 17:19.28 | magyar_ | hi, I need to load some vpn modules, does etch using /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 17:20.00 | valdyn | magyar_: no |
| 17:20.28 | HardDisk_WP | marco@marco-laptop:/media/Volume-1$ LANG=C sudo rm -rf Bilder/ |
| 17:20.28 | HardDisk_WP | rm: cannot remove directory `Bilder/Bilder alte Kamera/Schulmap': Directory not empty |
| 17:20.30 | HardDisk_WP | WTF?! |
| 17:20.34 | magyar_ | valdyn, where do i add "alias ppp-compress-18 ppp_mppe" |
| 17:20.56 | valdyn | magyar_: in a file of your own creation in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 17:22.31 | thomas | HardDisk_WP: Bilder? isnt english :P |
| 17:22.36 | HardDisk_WP | thomas, =) |
| 17:22.50 | thomas | peoples, a good console for X ? with tabs and quicky copy/paste ? |
| 17:22.59 | HardDisk_WP | thomas, konsole |
| 17:23.05 | HardDisk_WP | part of kde though, but good |
| 17:23.10 | HardDisk_WP | else, try xterm |
| 17:23.16 | thomas | HardDisk_WP: hab ich probiert. aber da muss man kopieren über bearbeiten > kopieren |
| 17:23.20 | thomas | kacke iss des. |
| 17:23.22 | thomas | (ups, ich kann deutsch) |
| 17:23.26 | HardDisk_WP | thomas, Konsole? |
| 17:23.34 | thomas | kkonsole |
| 17:23.34 | HardDisk_WP | thomas, mach dir keyboard shortcuts... |
| 17:23.42 | HardDisk_WP | ich hab strg+shift+c für kopieren |
| 17:23.42 | thomas | HardDisk_WP: won? |
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| 17:23.51 | thomas | echt? moment, ich guck nochmal |
| 17:23.56 | HardDisk_WP | thomas, einstellungen=>kurzbefehle festlegen |
| 17:24.01 | HardDisk_WP | direkt im menü |
| 17:24.25 | troubled | elvedin_: a few thousand? are they real users? |
| 17:24.34 | thomas | HardDisk_WP: auf strg+c iss nicht gut hm? |
| 17:24.36 | pngwn | !en |
| 17:24.37 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 17:24.51 | Maulkin | !de |
| 17:24.52 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 17:25.06 | Maulkin | Danke |
| 17:25.09 | jimpy | thomas: mrxvt |
| 17:25.12 | HardDisk_WP | thomas, jepp =) |
| 17:25.17 | enouf | gezundheit |
| 17:25.27 | thomas | jimpy: i have try this BUT i can't use umlauts etc. |
| 17:25.44 | thomas | pngwn: doof wenn man kein deutsch kann und dafür die deutsch englisch hm? ;) |
| 17:25.48 | jimpy | umlauts? |
| 17:25.49 | thomas | (ups, versteht er ja nicht) |
| 17:25.54 | thomas | jimpy: üöä € |
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| 17:26.18 | frasav | ciao |
| 17:26.24 | frasav | lista! |
| 17:26.29 | thomas | hola! |
| 17:26.36 | thomas | (.es) |
| 17:26.39 | thomas | !es |
| 17:26.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:26.41 | Maulkin | !it |
| 17:26.41 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:28.20 | enouf | troubled: haha .. someone should go into ##windows and ask each of them to check their IPs against this list of sshd bruteforce attacks http://www.bsdly.net/~peter/slowbrutes-2008-12-21.txt .. to see if their boxes are part of botnets O_O |
| 17:28.59 | troubled | enouf: oooh, nice list :) |
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| 17:29.13 | enouf | whoa .. a 2MB (or more?) file? O_o |
| 17:29.25 | troubled | odd, not a single bell.ca address |
| 17:29.39 | troubled | oop, found one :) |
| 17:30.33 | troubled | enouf: I somehow dont think that his ssh problem is related to the botnet probes though |
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| 17:31.13 | jimpy | im please to inform you my pc is not in that list |
| 17:31.40 | enouf | heh.. maybe not - those hits are coming from compromised machines though, no? |
| 17:32.01 | troubled | no idea, not my machines/botnet :) |
| 17:32.10 | enouf | right :-p |
| 17:32.23 | jimpy | well yeah, |
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| 17:32.49 | drazak | enouf: there's bigger/better lists |
| 17:33.10 | troubled | might just be open proxy's, some large group of users sharing access or perhaps even people using tor |
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| 17:35.10 | enouf | drazak: i bet, sure .. just wanted to tell windows weenies where MPoop has "taken them today" :-P |
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| 17:35.52 | enouf | troubled: still .. whatever nets they're coming from, it's being used for nefarious reasons .. which to me == compromised ;-) |
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| 17:36.59 | troubled | i suppose |
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| 17:39.17 | jimpy | enouf: are you suggesting that uncomprimised 'nets by existance alone are morally justified? |
| 17:39.34 | enouf | uh ... |
| 17:39.37 | enouf | what? |
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| 17:39.53 | jimpy | or did i grab the wrong end ov the conversation |
| 17:40.05 | enouf | jimpy: morality != legality ;-) |
| 17:41.01 | enouf | although .. i can point to atleast 535 CongressCritters that would LOVE to legislate morals :-P |
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| 17:41.27 | jimpy | ok fair point |
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| 17:43.52 | dmajnem2 | I cannot seem to get any sound from my newly installed box, anybody have any ideas? The sound card is an audigy |
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| 17:44.04 | SnoFox | The shortcut to lock the desktop is CTRL+Alt+L, right? |
| 17:44.31 | Lovecraft | dmajnem2, Using alsa? 24 bit audigy? |
| 17:44.40 | troubled | SnoFox: have you tried it? |
| 17:44.42 | dmajnem2 | Lovecraft: I think so |
| 17:45.04 | troubled | SnoFox: on windows its windowskey+L |
| 17:45.05 | Lovecraft | In alsamixer, mute the far left channel. |
| 17:45.10 | SnoFox | troubled: It worked before, but now that and a lot of other non-standard keys on my keyboard aren't working. |
| 17:45.18 | SnoFox | I'm on Debian Lenny. |
| 17:45.25 | dmajnem2 | Lovecraft: "Master" ? |
| 17:45.31 | Lovecraft | I can't remember the name of it at the moment. I have to mute it or I get no sound. |
| 17:45.38 | Lovecraft | Not master. |
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| 17:45.48 | troubled | SnoFox: not sure, perhaps you accidently changed the window manager shortcut key behaviou? |
| 17:45.59 | enouf | Lovecraft: ! whoa ... |
| 17:46.11 | Lovecraft | Yee hah. |
| 17:46.22 | SnoFox | I don't think I did. I'll go double check, though. |
| 17:46.25 | enouf | surprise surprise! |
| 17:46.42 | Lovecraft | ##Linux suck |
| 17:46.44 | SnoFox | It seems my media keys and other shortcut buttons aren't working either. |
| 17:46.45 | Lovecraft | ]s |
| 17:47.35 | enouf | Lovecraft: i've been onthewagon from that breuhaha :-P |
| 17:47.39 | Lovecraft | How ya been? |
| 17:47.49 | dmajnem2 | friggin' alsa... |
| 17:47.52 | enouf | just fine, thanks - et tu? |
| 17:48.07 | Lovecraft | Not much different... : |
| 17:48.14 | Ace2016_- | in packages.debian.org i can check the deps of a package right? but how can i check what packages depend on a package i want to remove? |
| 17:48.28 | Lovecraft | dmajnem2, No luck? |
| 17:48.33 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 17:48.41 | dmajnem2 | Lovecraft: I tried muting some of them but with no luck |
| 17:48.42 | enouf | Ace2016_-: apt-rdepends ... er ... |
| 17:48.55 | \amethyst | apt-rdepends needs -r |
| 17:48.58 | enouf | Ace2016_-: use \amethyst 's answer |
| 17:49.01 | Lovecraft | In console alsamixer, I need to mute the first channel on the whole display, or I get no sound. |
| 17:49.14 | enouf | \amethyst: does it? .. hrm |
| 17:49.20 | Ace2016_- | enouf: is apt-rdepends depreciated? |
| 17:49.29 | \amethyst | enouf: the "r" in apt-rdepends is "recursive", not "reverse" |
| 17:49.31 | dmajnem2 | Lovecraft: Bass? Treble? 3D Control? PCM? |
| 17:49.38 | dmajnem2 | any of these can be considered the first |
| 17:49.39 | enouf | Ace2016_-: you mean deprecated .. and not that i know of |
| 17:49.39 | zeco | hi! does someone know a way to keep the cpu-usage of a process inside a set limit? I don't mean prioritizing (renice) |
| 17:49.46 | Lovecraft | No .. some oddball name. |
| 17:49.53 | enouf | \amethyst: but without it, what shows? |
| 17:50.02 | Lovecraft | In any case, the first one in the display. |
| 17:50.08 | \amethyst | enouf: recursive forwards dependencies |
| 17:50.13 | enouf | \amethyst: i mean without the -r |
| 17:50.18 | \amethyst | enouf: yes |
| 17:50.26 | \amethyst | enouf: with -r it's recursive reverse dependencies |
| 17:50.39 | dmajnem2 | Lovecraft: HD SPDIF? |
| 17:50.46 | Lovecraft | Nope. |
| 17:50.48 | \amethyst | enouf: I meant that the "r" in the name was "recursive", not -r |
| 17:50.59 | enouf | \amethyst: well ... depends how far one wants to recurse, no? |
| 17:51.04 | \amethyst | zeco: ulimit -t <seconds> before launching the process |
| 17:51.06 | Lovecraft | I suppose I should get to reinstalling here.... |
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| 17:51.31 | enouf | \amethyst: i realize finally what you meant .. you said it correctly, .. i misread it |
| 17:51.34 | SnoFox | Does anyone know how to use the full Nautilus browser all the time, instead of the slimmed down version that opens whenever you click a folder? |
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| 17:53.10 | enouf | \amethyst: apologies, i guess i'm confusing recursive and reverse .. i'm going back to bed soon :-) |
| 17:53.24 | abrotman | SnoFox: it's a setting in the options |
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| 17:53.43 | SnoFox | I never could find it... |
| 17:53.44 | troubled | \amethyst: curious, does that cpu ulimit kill the process after that amount of time? |
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| 17:54.11 | Cheaterman | I was wondering if I could putstuff in the iso file of debian businesscard as I don't want to waste 620 megs... |
| 17:54.19 | zeco | \amethyst: I don't seem to have that program (doesn't show up in standard Debian repos either) but what I meant was limiting the %-usage anyway. I wanna keep a process below 25% even if the system is idle |
| 17:54.20 | \amethyst | SnoFox: if you install gtweakui, you can go into "gTweakUI - Nautilus" in the control center and select "Always use browser mode" |
| 17:54.32 | SnoFox | Okay. |
| 17:54.40 | \amethyst | zeco: oh, I don't know if there's a way to do that... any particular reason? |
| 17:54.50 | \amethyst | zeco: ulimit is a shell builtin |
| 17:55.02 | Clooth | You are not the owner of /var/run/screen/S-clooth. |
| 17:55.06 | enouf | Cheaterman: waste? hahaha |
| 17:55.07 | Clooth | why am I getting this when 'screen -r'ing ? |
| 17:55.37 | \amethyst | Clooth: who are you, and who owns that directory? |
| 17:55.47 | Clooth | umm |
| 17:55.54 | Clooth | who am I? |
| 17:55.59 | Clooth | I'm "clooth" |
| 17:55.59 | Cheaterman | enouf: yes waste...? |
| 17:56.08 | Clooth | and it's worked before, I think it's root's property though |
| 17:56.19 | \amethyst | Clooth: the directory should be owned by clooth then, not root |
| 17:56.29 | Clooth | is "S-clooth" a directory? |
| 17:56.33 | \amethyst | Clooth: it should be |
| 17:56.37 | Clooth | *chowns* |
| 17:56.43 | enouf | zeco: see schedutils if on etch (see taskset) .. atleast you can tie the process to a certain core only that way |
| 17:56.56 | \amethyst | Clooth: my S-neil is mode 700 owner neil |
| 17:57.14 | \amethyst | Clooth: the pipes contained within are also more 700, owner neil |
| 17:57.19 | \amethyst | s/more/mode/ |
| 17:57.22 | enouf | Cheaterman: i'd like to hear which OS CD is not a waste in your feeble mind :-P |
| 17:57.36 | \amethyst | though if you don't have any running sessions it won't contain any pipes |
| 17:57.45 | Clooth | hahaha |
| 17:57.47 | Clooth | what is this |
| 17:57.47 | Clooth | Suddenly the Dungeon collapses!! - You die... |
| 17:58.01 | Clooth | That came from screen t_t |
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| 17:58.23 | \amethyst | Clooth: you have a .nethackrc I guess :) |
| 17:58.34 | zeco | \amethyst: Probably quite a messy idea but I installed xmms2 on a very low ressource machine (Linksys NSLU2) and when I try to make it play some audio it distorts everything. Funny thing is: When I start another process in the meantime which consumes all the cpu-% it can get, xmms2 starts playing smoothly. For example, this useless loop does suffice to get it straight: while [ -n "1" ]; do echo 1; done |
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| 17:58.38 | Clooth | whats a .nethackrc lol |
| 17:59.08 | \amethyst | zeco: very strange |
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| 17:59.54 | \amethyst | Clooth: oh, maybe not. That message is in "nethack mode", which gets set if you have a file ~/.nethackrc or the environment variable NETHACKOPTIONS |
| 18:00.13 | Clooth | no idea. |
| 18:00.20 | Clooth | I haven't installed that myself atleast. |
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| 18:00.50 | cahoot | error from screnn due to the chmodding? |
| 18:00.57 | Clooth | yes, I fixed it. |
| 18:00.57 | Clooth | :) |
| 18:00.59 | Clooth | thank you \amethyst |
| 18:00.59 | \amethyst | Clooth: you can add nethack off to your ~/.screenrc (create it if it doesn't exist) to get less silly error messages |
| 18:01.06 | Clooth | I liked it atleast :p |
| 18:01.09 | Clooth | actually** |
| 18:01.11 | \amethyst | :) |
| 18:01.16 | Clooth | amusing. |
| 18:01.20 | \amethyst | nethack, btw, is a game |
| 18:01.25 | Clooth | Yeah I knew that. |
| 18:01.35 | Clooth | No idea why it would be on screen though, that's what I was confused about |
| 18:01.39 | Clooth | is nethack played on screen? |
| 18:01.49 | \amethyst | I think the screen authors must be fans :) |
| 18:02.13 | \amethyst | you can play nethack under screen, sure |
| 18:02.36 | enouf | zeco: i don't know if this is relevant .. but http://www.open-mpi.org/projects/plpa/ .. also if you want, you could toy with the numa=fake option if on 64bit x86 arch |
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| 18:05.41 | zeco | enouf: thx but this would probably mean I'd have to modify the source of my program with this & recompile |
| 18:06.29 | Clooth | \amethyst, I know this isn't the right channel to ask on, but do you know much about optimizing apache? |
| 18:06.40 | Clooth | If you do.. any chance for talking in PM? |
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| 18:07.15 | \amethyst | Clooth: no I don't :( |
| 18:07.20 | abrotman | #apache ? |
| 18:07.28 | zeco | \amethyst: I probably should check why xmms2 is behaving so strangely but I haven't found anything yet. I'm pretty sure it's not alsa since mplayer runs fine. |
| 18:07.28 | zeco | Do you guys know another program that works similarily to xmms2 (small server playing audio-files / webstreams when told so by a client)? |
| 18:07.38 | Clooth | abrotman, yeah I wasn't asking generally ;p |
| 18:07.43 | abrotman | zeco: mpd perhaps |
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| 18:08.46 | enouf | zeco: does amarok or audacious do that? here's a list (many defunct?) http://linux-sound.org/netaudio.html |
| 18:09.51 | \amethyst | yeah, audacious has a --headless mode |
| 18:10.10 | \amethyst | though I don't know if I'd call it 'small', and it still has GUI dependencies |
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| 18:13.39 | enouf | \amethyst: hrm .. interesting - thanks for the info |
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| 18:14.30 | zeco | enouf & abrotman: thanks for these, I'll have to look at them. Since it's supposed to be running on a NSLU2 (ARM Cpu @266 MHz with 32 MB Ram). Xmms2 seemed to be fine but I don't want to keep that useless loop in the background which is eating power (although the NSLU2 takes 10 Watt max anyway) |
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| 18:16.17 | pobega | Is 2.0GB too small of a partition size for a Debootstrap? |
| 18:16.29 | enouf | depends |
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| 18:16.55 | pobega | Well, I tried a Google and I can't find the minimum size for a Debootstrap (how much space the debstrap itself uses) |
| 18:17.06 | enouf | zeco: which OS os on there? :-P |
| 18:17.17 | stew | pobega: less than .5 GB |
| 18:17.30 | zeco | enouf: guess ;) --Debian (lenny) |
| 18:17.44 | pobega | stew: Oh, okay, thanks. Then 1.5GB should be enough, in reality. Thanks. |
| 18:17.45 | enouf | zeco: how, with under 32MB? |
| 18:17.53 | enouf | er . -under |
| 18:18.13 | enouf | pobega: a typical DE install will eat ~2GB |
| 18:18.27 | enouf | from the start .. that leaves no space for anything |
| 18:18.56 | pobega | enouf: Are you sure? Stew just said .5 GB, I don't know which to believe. I basically want minimum +500MB |
| 18:19.14 | enouf | zeco: or .. since i know nothing about arm cpus, their releases under that arch are designed for that? |
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| 18:19.33 | enouf | pobega: i'm talking about a full DE, like GNOME or KDE |
| 18:19.47 | pobega | enouf: Oh, I'm only talking about a development environment. |
| 18:19.54 | zeco | enouf: I just followed these instructions: www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/ since the NSLU2 has only 2 USB & 1 LAN, I installed no graphical desktop stuff etc |
| 18:19.58 | enouf | pobega: base system, with no X, no frills, sure .. much much less space |
| 18:20.02 | pobega | enouf: Plain ol' minimal Debootstrap for creating .debs |
| 18:20.10 | enouf | ok then ;-) |
| 18:20.19 | pobega | 2.0GB should be sufficient then? |
| 18:20.24 | enouf | zeco: i see - cool |
| 18:20.29 | enouf | plenty |
| 18:20.47 | stew | pobega: i'm absolutely positive that you can debootstrap onto a partition with only .5 GB |
| 18:20.49 | _KaszpiR_ | hmm |
| 18:20.49 | pobega | Also, unrelated question. Which filesystem is better for disc i/o (if there is even any difference), fat16 or fat32? |
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| 18:21.03 | _KaszpiR_ | any opion o reboot machine and force it to run fsck with -y or -p |
| 18:21.08 | enouf | should be .. yerp .. consider you might want to install things like your LOCALEs, and manpages-dev, etc .. these things take up space pobega |
| 18:21.11 | stew | pobega: you can check the install guide if you like, which, i believe quotes the hd requirement as 450MB |
| 18:21.15 | _KaszpiR_ | i dont have direct access to the machine - jsut remote via ssh |
| 18:22.01 | pobega | stew, enouf: Thanks. I'll probably just go with 2.0GB to be safe - I don't plain on compiling too much, just little apps (getting my feet wet in Debian dev) |
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| 18:24.07 | SnoFox | Someone explain to me how I have no network connection? O.o |
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| 18:24.38 | lunk | SnoFox: the internet is down world wide |
| 18:24.57 | SnoFox | So... explain how you told me that? :p |
| 18:24.58 | enouf | abrotman: heh .. recall someone was asking about a sort of dev task (like a tasksel for just developers) ? .. should just use the pkg list from the grml.org/files small cd :-) |
| 18:25.36 | abrotman | enouf: there's an aptitude task perhaps? nothing in tasksel anymore |
| 18:25.38 | enouf | SnoFox: ether |
| 18:25.47 | enouf | it's everywhere :-P |
| 18:25.52 | SnoFox | :o |
| 18:25.53 | teratoma | if i install flashplayer from mediabuntu, will i screw up my system ? |
| 18:26.04 | abrotman | maybe not. .. |
| 18:26.09 | pobega | teratoma: Just install it from the Debian repositories, why use Ubuntu's? |
| 18:26.18 | lunk | SnoFox: wireless |
| 18:26.22 | abrotman | enouf: to be fair, seems silly to me: "Development" is not the same for everyone |
| 18:26.25 | enouf | abrotman: hrm, not sure - just a random thought i made a connection ... after about what .. 24 hours or more? :-P |
| 18:26.32 | enouf | indeed |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | enouf: you're getting faster :) |
| 18:26.39 | enouf | haha |
| 18:26.48 | pobega | Also, is there a *good*, _up to date_ book (physical book, not electronic) I can buy that discusses Debian in-depth, like how it works and how to package for it? |
| 18:26.49 | teratoma | pobega: some flash content doesn't play, im not sure why. im using lenny |
| 18:27.04 | pobega | teratoma: Which plugin are you using? non-free's? |
| 18:27.40 | enouf | pobega: well .. debian.org/books ? |
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| 18:28.06 | enouf | checks if that's even semivalid heh |
| 18:28.21 | pobega | enouf: Nope |
| 18:28.24 | enouf | nope - GAH |
| 18:28.26 | abrotman | !books |
| 18:28.27 | dpkg | books is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 18:28.32 | Ace2016_- | what are aptitude scores? |
| 18:28.48 | teratoma | pobega: im not sure. how do i check? dpkg says i have this installed: flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound . but not flashplugin-nonfree . weird |
| 18:28.51 | Ace2016_- | it once game me -4000 or something then later 11, very strange |
| 18:28.52 | pobega | abrotman: Now that's what I'm talking about; Thanks again. |
| 18:28.53 | enouf | aha! http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 18:28.58 | pobega | #debian is a lifesaver, heh |
| 18:29.04 | enouf | dammit abrotman ! |
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| 18:29.18 | Ace2016_- | oh, 0 is where you are now, negative is the past, possitive is the future? |
| 18:29.18 | enouf | :-p |
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| 18:30.26 | pobega | I don't know what repository this package is from, but I'm seeing a flashplayer-mozilla package, though I believe it's unofficial; Anyone know how to check which repo I am getting this from? |
| 18:30.34 | pobega | (Because I only have main enabled, so it's a bit weird...) |
| 18:31.08 | Ace2016_- | is there a webpage which will tell me about aptitude's scoring system? |
| 18:31.30 | enouf | pobega: you'll probably also like things like 'the debain bible' (possibly dated?), linux kernel in a nutshell (LKN), and search out linux rute :-) |
| 18:32.06 | pobega | enouf: Thanks. I'm actually changing my major to Linux Sysadmin in the spring, so I want to learn as much as I can about Debian (my niche distro) |
| 18:32.07 | enouf | Ace2016_-: wiki.debian.org ? also, install aptitude-doc-en ? |
| 18:32.23 | enouf | pobega: \o/ |
| 18:32.26 | teratoma | major in something manly, like Math |
| 18:32.27 | Ace2016_- | enouf: well i was just following google |
| 18:32.45 | pobega | teratoma: I was good at Math until I hit Calc II...Boy, I gave up on that. |
| 18:32.58 | enouf | heh |
| 18:33.01 | pobega | I'm better at algorithms than formulas |
| 18:33.10 | teratoma | ive been hiring sysadmins for years. i have honestly never run into someone who majored in sysadmining in college |
| 18:33.45 | pobega | Really? It may be relatively new I'm not sure. The actual major's name is "[Linux] System Administration and Networking" |
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| 18:33.54 | teratoma | yeah , really. never ever ever. |
| 18:33.59 | phoenix_mad | hola |
| 18:34.04 | phoenix_mad | alguien habla español? |
| 18:34.54 | pobega | !spanish |
| 18:34.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:35.05 | phoenix_mad | thanks |
| 18:35.24 | pobega | hah, my first dpkg query :] I've been lurking for too long. |
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| 18:36.09 | teratoma | some days the flashplayer plugin is in lenny, some days it is not, very strange. |
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| 18:36.44 | pobega | teratoma: Well, you can always try the Ubuntu package, but as far as I know they all do the same thing (fetch flashplayer from adobe.com) |
| 18:36.55 | pobega | But I don't use flash so that's just what I've read ... It may have changed since then. |
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| 18:40.33 | pobega | So, I have a 600MB partition sitting around on my main drive. It is currently being unused; Any ideas what I can use it for? (It'd be a waste as a /boot, though I can turn it into two partitions (100MB and 500MB)) and do that...I dunno though. |
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| 18:41.07 | hoxu | pobega, store entropy on it, whoever steals your disks will have fun trying to figure out what is on it :P |
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| 18:41.36 | kladizkov | apart from nagios...is there any other server monitoring software? |
| 18:41.49 | pobega | hoxu: What is entropy? |
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| 18:43.30 | infinity_ | i have a bunch of NFS mounts, and sometimes they break and it causes users to leave processes that are dead because of NFS. eventually NFS gets fixed, but the processes sit there forever. any idea how to solve this? |
| 18:43.48 | infinity_ | dead processes are in sleep state |
| 18:43.58 | kladizkov | kill it |
| 18:44.00 | magyar_ | valdyn, thanks |
| 18:44.02 | teratoma | kladizkov: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html |
| 18:44.18 | infinity_ | kladizkov: how do i know if a process is usless? |
| 18:44.31 | hoxu | pobega, try wikipedia |
| 18:44.51 | magyar_ | ping xingu |
| 18:44.55 | pobega | hoxu: I did, none of the articles seem compupter related. |
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| 18:46.13 | Cheaterman | enouf: Burning and trampling on a Windows CD won't make me sad. |
| 18:46.31 | Cheaterman | enouf: But wasting space on CDs I burn is |
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| 18:46.54 | hoxu | pobega, I meant completely random data. Silly questions deserve silly answers :P |
| 18:46.57 | dan_ | dcc send startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
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| 18:47.16 | hoxu | pobega, or you could use it for LVM mirrors |
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| 18:47.27 | pobega | hoxu: Haha, thanks. I don't think it's THAT silly, just looking for a use. |
| 18:47.36 | pobega | It's only a 16GB drive so I want to squeeze out as much usage as I can |
| 18:47.36 | teratoma | encrypt your porn onto it |
| 18:47.57 | hoxu | pobega, use it for backups? |
| 18:47.59 | pobega | teratoma: Why would I need to encrypt porn? If someone steals my drive they rightfully deserve it. |
| 18:48.05 | kladizkov | infinity_: kill zombies |
| 18:48.06 | Cheaterman | hoxu: cat /dev/urandom > /home/random_data |
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| 18:48.20 | Ruadh | Any one here know of a good photo editing programme for Linux? I'm not interested in Gimp. |
| 18:48.27 | kladizkov | infinity_: there is a recursive way to kill zombies |
| 18:49.37 | Cheaterman | Ruadh: Paint.NET with Mono. |
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| 18:49.46 | pobega | Ruadh: I've heard good things about Inkscape, but I'm not sure if it's good for photo editing. It's vector graphics (I obviously do ZERO graphic work) |
| 18:49.55 | Cheaterman | Ruadh: On peut aussi parler en Français si tu es plus àl'aise. |
| 18:50.12 | Cheaterman | pobega: Nope it's not good. |
| 18:50.21 | teratoma | gimpshop is gimp without the 900 menu panes |
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| 18:50.50 | hoxu | Ruadh, krita? |
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| 18:51.45 | pobega | teratoma: Is there an easy way to get Gimpshop in Debian? Without having to compile it, that is |
| 18:52.01 | rotzie | are there any hadoop experts around? |
| 18:52.11 | pobega | nevermind |
| 18:52.18 | pobega | Gimpshop's site has a deb, I just didn't see it...haha |
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| 18:53.42 | infinity_ | kladizkov: i have a few zombies, but a bucnh of processes that can be killed |
| 18:53.59 | infinity_ | kladizkov: the only want i can ID the killaable processes are usually because of the date |
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| 18:54.25 | infinity_ | kladizkov: but that doean't always help, because people have vnc sessions open for months sometimes |
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| 18:55.07 | pipeline | gimpshop is still gimp though |
| 18:55.07 | pipeline | making the interface more familiar doesn't make it a more capable application :P |
| 18:55.34 | pipeline | photoshop more or less runs in wine now, btw |
| 18:55.47 | Lovecraft | For most things people use photoshop for, gimp can do just as well. |
| 18:56.41 | path_ | http://debian.pastebin.com/d41dd510c |
| 18:56.43 | path_ | any ideas? |
| 18:56.51 | path_ | Can't exec "/tmp/debsums.config.45851": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. |
| 18:57.11 | jelly-home | path_: is your /tmp mounted with noexec option? |
| 18:57.15 | path_ | nope |
| 18:57.36 | infinity_ | i have a system with a load of 40. other than that, its running fine. what might be causing the load to be 40? |
| 18:57.38 | jelly-home | path_: pastebin /proc/mounts |
| 18:57.42 | kladizkov | infinity_: those processes to be killed are zombies right? |
| 18:57.52 | infinity_ | kladizkov: no, only a few of them |
| 18:58.02 | jelly-home | path_: also ls -ld /tmp/debsums.config.45851, if it still exists |
| 18:58.05 | kladizkov | what are the state of others |
| 18:58.09 | path_ | http://debian.pastebin.com/d1a28de06 jelly-home |
| 18:58.10 | infinity_ | kladizkov: S |
| 18:58.46 | infinity_ | kladizkov: i also have a system with a load of 40 thats been like that for awhile (i dunno how long, i just noticed it last week) |
| 18:58.47 | jelly-home | path_: um... /dev/hdb3 on /tmp type jfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
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| 18:59.16 | path_ | lol |
| 18:59.19 | path_ | I'm kind of blind |
| 18:59.25 | path_ | slaps himself |
| 18:59.26 | jelly-home | it happens |
| 18:59.31 | kladizkov | try upgrading the system |
| 18:59.33 | path_ | thanks jelly-home :) |
| 18:59.35 | jelly-home | !coffee path_ |
| 18:59.35 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of organic International Roast Caterers Blend for path_, courtesy of jelly-home |
| 18:59.53 | kladizkov | but is this sleeping process that load? |
| 18:59.59 | path_ | thats what I'm going to do, cup of coffee :D |
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| 19:00.11 | jelly-home | remount exec, install/remove/etc, remount back to noexec ... std. procedure |
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| 19:00.21 | infinity_ | kladizkov: dunno what causes the load |
| 19:00.22 | path_ | yup |
| 19:00.29 | infinity_ | kladizkov: if i did, i could probably fix it |
| 19:00.36 | kladizkov | use top |
| 19:00.55 | path_ | jelly-home, my point was to mount a secure /tmp am I risking anything removing noexec ? |
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| 19:01.27 | infinity_ | kladizkov: huh? i dunno what to look for |
| 19:01.57 | kladizkov | use the command "top" and see which process takes load |
| 19:02.02 | pipeline | path_: it makes the consequences more dire if a network daemon is compromised... but the consequences are already pretty serious, so who cares. |
| 19:02.18 | infinity_ | kladizkov: cpu usage is 10% |
| 19:02.33 | infinity_ | kladizkov: how do you get a load of 40 and cpu usage 10%? |
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| 19:02.54 | infinity_ | kladizkov: so yea, if i could ID them, it might be fixable :) |
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| 19:04.37 | kladizkov | the processes on top can be culprits, but thats not a reason to kill it |
| 19:04.56 | pipeline | infinity_: massive iowait |
| 19:05.09 | path_ | pipeline, indeed but other than that error can't see any issue.. apt-get installed the package anyway |
| 19:05.14 | infinity_ | pipeline: iowait is 1% |
| 19:05.18 | pipeline | infinity_: load average is mostly weighted by how many processes are having trouble executing |
| 19:05.24 | infinity_ | idle = 99% |
| 19:05.26 | infinity_ | load =40 |
| 19:05.41 | pipeline | infinity_: so if you have load of forty and low cpu usage, SOMETHING is blocking all those processes (or threads? does the linux load average include threads ?) |
| 19:06.07 | pipeline | a load of 40 means SOMETHING is fucked. It shouldn't be that high unless the system is under tremendous load. |
| 19:06.22 | infinity_ | pipeline: agreed |
| 19:06.40 | alfatau | hello, running apt-get upgrade on stable debian, every time I upgrade the kernel, then grub installs on hd(1,0) while the correct setting is hd(0,0) and then my machine obviously doesn't reboot. can you help me? |
| 19:06.45 | enouf | we found a botnet! \o/ |
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| 19:06.59 | infinity_ | pipeline: its hard to figure out what. |
| 19:07.48 | katerkarlo | debian |
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| 19:07.59 | stoned | what the hell is a botnet? |
| 19:08.10 | enouf | alfatau: update-grub runs, which updates menu.lst, so fix menu.lst - nothing is getting "installed" to your HDD MBR or whatever |
| 19:08.14 | alfatau | root should be hd(0,0) while grub-update adds root hd(1,0) on menu.lst |
| 19:08.14 | stoned | !botnet |
| 19:08.15 | katerkarlo | debian |
| 19:08.20 | stoned | katerkarlo, hi |
| 19:08.33 | katerkarlo | debian |
| 19:08.48 | stoned | katerkarlo, debian says hi |
| 19:08.49 | enouf | alfatau: fix your #groot= line |
| 19:08.50 | stoned | naibed |
| 19:09.15 | katerkarlo | enouf has enough |
| 19:09.25 | stoned | has had |
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| 19:09.31 | enouf | alfatau: do not remove the leading # |
| 19:09.31 | stoned | and hes about to go apeshit on your hiney |
| 19:09.35 | stoned | enouf, chat |
| 19:09.45 | jelly-home | tentob |
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| 19:10.39 | alfatau | enouf: yes, i know, that line is 'groot=(hd0,0)' but running upgrades it updates to '#groot=(hd1,0)' |
| 19:10.58 | alfatau | enouf: ah, so i should not remove the leading #.... i'm trying |
| 19:11.04 | katerkarlo | enouf has enough |
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| 19:12.06 | stoned | katerkarlo, do you have a debian related question |
| 19:12.07 | stoned | ? |
| 19:12.11 | katerkarlo | debian |
| 19:12.18 | stoned | we this is debian |
| 19:12.26 | stoned | wee! |
| 19:12.28 | katerkarlo | I know |
| 19:12.34 | katerkarlo | debian |
| 19:12.37 | stoned | katerkarlo, why do you keep repeating just one word |
| 19:12.43 | katerkarlo | because it's correct |
| 19:12.44 | stoned | katerkarlo, why do you keep just saying 'debian' over and over? |
| 19:12.54 | stoned | katerkarlo, we have established that now, can you please stop? |
| 19:13.08 | katerkarlo | but it's correct to say debian. |
| 19:13.10 | teratoma | doublefilter.pl is awesome |
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| 19:13.27 | stoned | katerkarlo, yes it is. It is incorrect to say it over and over. |
| 19:13.37 | stoned | !tell katerkarlo -about spam |
| 19:13.39 | katerkarlo | what is incorrect about it? |
| 19:13.54 | stoned | katerkarlo, please take this to #debian-chat or #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:14.08 | katerkarlo | debian |
| 19:14.09 | stoned | katerkarlo, this channel is for debian linux support only. |
| 19:14.15 | Lovecraft | bah |
| 19:14.17 | katerkarlo | debian is correct. |
| 19:14.32 | stoned | am I dealing with an imbicile? |
| 19:14.42 | teratoma | i think you're dealing with someone's erlang bot |
| 19:14.43 | Lovecraft | Two .. me some too. |
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| 19:15.00 | stoned | its not a bot |
| 19:15.02 | katerkarlo | I like the fact that debian is correct |
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| 19:15.19 | stoned | !ops katerkarlo is being repetitive and obnoxious |
| 19:15.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stoned complains about: katerkarlo is being repetitive and obnoxious |
| 19:16.06 | mander | hello everyone |
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| 19:16.09 | stoned | hi |
| 19:16.45 | mander | stoned how are you |
| 19:17.22 | katerkarlo | debian |
| 19:17.42 | babuun | watsup wif katerkarlo |
| 19:17.45 | alfatau | enouf: don't works :( |
| 19:18.11 | zeco | abrotman: Thanks a lot for your hint towards mpd 1h ago, it works much better than xmms2. No bugs encountered yet and it uses even less ressources. My x-mas present is nearing its completion :) (NSLU2 as standalone internet radio) |
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| 19:18.30 | katerkarlo | enouf has enough |
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| 19:20.50 | stoned | enouf, hm |
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| 19:23.14 | abrotman | zeco: glad to help |
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| 19:24.55 | katerkarlo | enouf has enough. |
| 19:25.11 | stoned | is this dude on crack? |
| 19:25.31 | datacrusher | hauehaue |
| 19:25.38 | abrotman | katerkarlo: go play somewhere else please |
| 19:25.41 | datacrusher | crack is bad for you dude |
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| 19:26.00 | katerkarlo | debian is correct. |
| 19:26.13 | stoned | no debian is incorrect. |
| 19:26.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: kik it! |
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| 19:26.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@77-56-84-108.dclient.hispeed.ch] by abrotman |
| 19:26.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 19:26.33 | jelly-home | !win abrotman |
| 19:26.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:26.52 | abrotman | thanks |
| 19:27.25 | stoned | anyone know of a gtk form designer that works similarly to visual studio form designer? |
| 19:27.45 | stoned | instead of creating containers and boxing things in, is it possible to easily drag and absolutely position elements on the form |
| 19:27.47 | abrotman | gazpacho not enough ? |
| 19:27.51 | stoned | not really |
| 19:27.55 | abrotman | stoned: that's how GTK works |
| 19:27.57 | stoned | I mean something like monodesigner |
| 19:28.02 | stoned | abrotman, it doesn't have to |
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| 19:29.00 | stoned | abrotman, the thing is I mean I know thats how gtk works but I mean like inside the contains, I'd like to easy drag and drop controls |
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| 19:29.23 | stoned | and move them around |
| 19:30.10 | stoned | abrotman, http://mono-project.com/Image:Mwf-designer.png |
| 19:30.32 | stoned | this is using windows forms, I was looking for a similar thing for gtk |
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| 19:31.13 | stoned | something thill intelligently insert containers etc. in the background and I just have to asollutely position my controls with the mouse anywhere, pixel perfect placement |
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| 19:31.45 | stoned | that will* |
| 19:32.23 | abrotman | probably ought to ask on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:32.26 | troubled | stoned: lazarus? |
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| 19:32.44 | stoned | never heard of it, I'll check it out |
| 19:32.46 | troubled | stoned: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Screenshots |
| 19:32.55 | troubled | its pascal, but its basically the open source Delphi |
| 19:33.00 | abrotman | troubled: gtk ? |
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| 19:33.09 | troubled | i believe gtk yes |
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| 19:33.19 | stoned | damn |
| 19:33.21 | troubled | you can pick your widget set though depending on os it seems |
| 19:33.21 | stoned | nice |
| 19:33.30 | infinity_ | pipeline: i figured out how to ID the problem proceses. kill -9 doesnt' work on them though |
| 19:33.31 | troubled | so win32, mac, wince etc |
| 19:33.35 | stoned | troubled, you are not toally useless then ;) |
| 19:33.36 | infinity_ | pipeline: they are all in the "D" state |
| 19:34.06 | stoned | nice ide |
| 19:34.10 | troubled | heh |
| 19:34.10 | code__ | i am looking for howto installing debian on mivvy m310 from usb. |
| 19:34.20 | stoned | lazarus webpage is ugly |
| 19:34.23 | stoned | eww |
| 19:34.24 | troubled | stoned: unfortunately, you may need to learn some pascal to make anything useful |
| 19:34.30 | troubled | ya i know heh |
| 19:34.33 | stoned | troubled, its like being back in jr. high! |
| 19:34.34 | pipeline | infinity_: zombie processes |
| 19:34.34 | stoned | pascal! |
| 19:34.37 | pipeline | infinity_: kill the parent |
| 19:34.42 | stoned | !ppid |
| 19:34.42 | dpkg | [ppid] Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 19:34.44 | troubled | they put their effort into coding instead of html ;) |
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| 19:34.57 | stoned | troubled, I should offer to redo thier site |
| 19:35.02 | stoned | its horribly ugly |
| 19:35.05 | stoned | like early 90s |
| 19:35.10 | infinity_ | pipeline: parent is 1 |
| 19:35.13 | stoned | late 90s |
| 19:35.15 | infinity_ | you can't kill 1 |
| 19:35.19 | troubled | stoned: oh get them a better host hehe. frepascal.org is snappy usually, but the lazarus project is on a diff machine and slow |
| 19:35.22 | stoned | infinity_, ignore zombie or reboot |
| 19:35.28 | stoned | zombies can be ignored |
| 19:35.30 | troubled | stoned: www.freepascal.org and compare |
| 19:35.32 | infinity_ | stoned: but its causing the load to be 40 |
| 19:35.37 | stoned | then reboot |
| 19:35.44 | infinity_ | stoned: can't reboot :( |
| 19:35.45 | stoned | you know what yo have to do |
| 19:35.57 | infinity_ | stoned: i would get yelled at by about 50 people |
| 19:36.10 | stoned | then tell em, there is a zombie running around eating cpu brain |
| 19:36.23 | stoned | what do they want to do, let it eat brains or kill it |
| 19:36.28 | infinity_ | stoned: its not eating cpu. that would be lying :) |
| 19:36.37 | stoned | whatever its doing, its undesirable |
| 19:36.39 | troubled | abrotman: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Image:ConfigureBuild_GTK2.png shows what it supports for widgets |
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| 19:36.41 | infinity_ | true |
| 19:36.57 | infinity_ | probably jsut wasting memory |
| 19:37.04 | Eludias | Anyone knows debootstrap? How can I get a debootstrapped filesystem in a bootable state? The kernel boots OK, but init does work since (oa.) /etc/inittab is missing. |
| 19:37.11 | stoned | troubled, you really came through today man |
| 19:37.16 | stoned | troubled, you are the fucking man |
| 19:37.20 | stoned | man |
| 19:37.22 | troubled | abrotman: although, i believe some stuff is in various stages of support, like wince |
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| 19:37.35 | troubled | stoned: but do you know pascal? |
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| 19:37.42 | stoned | I remember from jr. high |
| 19:37.50 | stoned | I took pascal for 1 year in 8th grade and got A |
| 19:37.55 | stoned | it can't be hard |
| 19:37.58 | infinity_ | lol |
| 19:38.03 | troubled | ah, you are all set then. its pretty much fully compatible with every borland pascal made |
| 19:38.08 | stoned | cool |
| 19:38.11 | abrotman | yay negative array subscripts! |
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| 19:39.48 | infinity_ | too bad i lost all my pascal source code from middle school |
| 19:39.59 | infinity_ | hard drvice crash many years ago |
| 19:40.04 | stoned | wow, there is a pascal .NET |
| 19:40.06 | stoned | lol |
| 19:40.10 | troubled | not exactly a hard language to pick up |
| 19:40.15 | BCM44 | i just installed debian on a ibook and the display only takes up a fraction of the screen, in the top left. The top of it is also copied and shown below it and to the right is only black |
| 19:40.23 | EvilGuru | Hi, I am getting a lot of SSH attacks recently, is there an easy way to ban an IP after <x> invalid attempts? I am not sure if it is a shorewall or sshd thing |
| 19:40.31 | stoned | ipban? |
| 19:40.32 | infinity_ | EvilGuru: fail2ban |
| 19:40.41 | stoned | isn't there a ipban package? |
| 19:40.48 | troubled | stoned: they even support free vision (turbo vision clone) if you like console apps |
| 19:40.55 | stoned | nm ipband... why did i remember that |
| 19:40.55 | stoned | nm |
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| 19:41.10 | stoned | troubled, man I'm just lost in the world of programming |
| 19:41.18 | troubled | me too :) |
| 19:41.20 | EvilGuru | fail2ban seems quite neat (reading up) |
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| 19:41.37 | stoned | troubled, I hated it until recently, I did it not by choice but for job, but now I enjoy programming, I dunno what happened, life just flipped around on me |
| 19:41.44 | infinity_ | EvilGuru: you can use it for SMTP attacks. anything. mostly used for ssh |
| 19:41.45 | stoned | now I actually enjoy it, but there are so many languages |
| 19:41.54 | stoned | troubled, I dunno what to seriously invest time ane effort into |
| 19:41.54 | troubled | learn them all :) |
| 19:42.02 | BCM44 | when I use xrandr it only displays 800x699 |
| 19:42.03 | stoned | I can code in any langauge given the api/docs |
| 19:42.05 | EvilGuru | SMTP isn't currently a problem, but might be useful |
| 19:42.08 | infinity_ | learn perl :) |
| 19:42.09 | karsten | notes that there are now stone *and* trouble daemons. |
| 19:42.14 | thomas | is a openoffice 3.0 available? |
| 19:42.26 | karsten | !tell thomas about search |
| 19:42.26 | troubled | karsten: :) |
| 19:42.26 | thomas | has anywhere a source? |
| 19:42.33 | thomas | karsten: laberbacke |
| 19:42.36 | stoned | troubled, but i want to concentate on a single language where I would be so expert as to not have to consult the api/docs that much |
| 19:42.52 | stoned | I mean you know what I mean, I started doing some Java recently, its crap |
| 19:42.57 | stoned | I can't go to java now after C# |
| 19:43.02 | troubled | havent tried java yet |
| 19:43.11 | jelly-home | !oo3 |
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| 19:43.18 | stoned | I installed sbcl last night and start doing some shit in emacs |
| 19:43.24 | thomas | !oo3 |
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| 19:43.51 | jelly-home | it didn't work! |
| 19:43.52 | FoxM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.53 | stoned | I think I'm going to either go with haskell w, w/o .NET or Lisp w, w/o .NET |
| 19:44.03 | stoned | jelly-home, openoffice org 3? |
| 19:44.08 | stoned | jelly-home, its in experimetnal |
| 19:44.24 | karsten | thomas: Looks as if it's in experimental only. |
| 19:44.24 | jelly-home | stoned: the nonexisting oo3 factoid |
| 19:44.27 | stoned | jelly-home, the maintainer told me he would be uploading another update to experimental soon |
| 19:44.29 | karsten | !tell thomas about p.d.o |
| 19:44.35 | karsten | !tell thomas about experimental |
| 19:45.00 | stoned | judd versions openoffice.org |
| 19:45.01 | judd | stoned: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-14 sid: 1:2.4.1-15 experimental: 1:3.0.0-5 |
| 19:45.10 | stoned | -5 |
| 19:45.19 | karsten | !win stoned |
| 19:45.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, stoned! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 19:45.31 | karsten | stoned: Where'd judd come from? |
| 19:45.40 | stoned | karsten, stew made it i think |
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| 19:45.46 | stoned | karsten, it only does a few things so far |
| 19:45.50 | karsten | stoned: so says whois. |
| 19:45.51 | EvilGuru | Wow, worked straight off |
| 19:45.53 | karsten | OK. |
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| 19:47.21 | clamiax | hi |
| 19:47.30 | abrotman | karsten: it's a supybot IIRC ... uses the Ultimate Debian Database |
| 19:47.53 | karsten | abrotman: Greek to me, but OK. |
| 19:48.14 | stoned | dpkg oo3 is Openoffice.org 3 which is currently only available in debian experimental. Ask me about </msg dpkg experimental> -- Use at your own risk, experimental packages are not supported in #debian. There is also no ETA on when Openoffice.org 3 will arrive in debian sid. |
| 19:48.15 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | karsten: http://vireo.org/~stew/blog |
| 19:48.24 | FoxM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.39 | karsten | stoned: Do we really need a factoid (that will be out of date RSN) for that? |
| 19:48.58 | karsten | FoxM: RTFM? |
| 19:49.08 | stoned | karsten, we can update the factoid |
| 19:49.12 | stoned | ... |
| 19:49.18 | SnoFox | Okay, the exact problem I'm having is, The FF, RW, Play/Pause, Stop, Mute, Open media player, Open web browser, Open email, media/shortcut keys aren't working. In addition, Ctrl+Alt+L doesn't work to lock the screen anymore. All buttons were working in the past, so can someone help me fix this? |
| 19:49.29 | karsten | stoned: Aye. It Just Must Happen. versions is IMO better. |
| 19:49.37 | SnoFox | The key's are detected as being pressed, but nothing happens. |
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| 19:49.55 | clamiax | I'm trying to capture my DV output from a videocamera over Firewire/USB cable on Debian Lenny with Kino 1.3.0-2+lenny1. While running kino i get an error about the raw1394 module which is not loaded (it is!) or doesn't have the right permission (which it have!). I'm still googling but i googled a lot about, i'm reading forum, mailing lists, etc., but i'm still not able to make my camera works. It's a |
| 19:49.56 | clamiax | Canon MV900. Does anyone have an idea or URI on how can i solve the problem? |
| 19:50.00 | FoxM | karsten: wengophone asks for a wengo account that can be created in a non-existent wengo webpage. The FM does not help at all |
| 19:50.04 | stoned | SnoFox, these buttons don't normally work on any keyboardsin debian |
| 19:50.06 | karsten | SnoFox: IIRC there's a hotkeys or softkeys package you can install. |
| 19:50.16 | stoned | SnoFox, Ubuntu has this preinstalled, debian does not |
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| 19:50.21 | stoned | !tell SnoFox -about keytouch |
| 19:50.23 | clamiax | THX in advance. |
| 19:50.28 | karsten | FoxM: I know *NOTHING* about wengophone. You probably want to read the manual or find a wegnophone support channel/list/website. |
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| 19:50.47 | karsten | FoxM: That's not really a general Debian question. |
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| 19:50.58 | flixil | alo |
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| 19:51.01 | stoned | SnoFox, after you have configured your keyboard and generated a keyboard file (if one alrady doesn't exist), please email your file, keyboard model and brand to the author of that software. Keytouch is packaged in debian as well. |
| 19:51.18 | SnoFox | It's just wierd because they keys were working before without any extra packages. :\ |
| 19:51.28 | stoned | SnoFox, that way the author can include your model in the package and it will trickle down into debian |
| 19:51.30 | SnoFox | I'll use keytouch, though. |
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| 19:51.57 | FoxM | karsten: I want to use wengophone in debian, and wengophone does not exist anymore, so my only resource now is Debian |
| 19:52.06 | karsten | FoxM: See above. |
| 19:52.23 | stoned | SnoFox, it helps other people use keyboard config files, say I had your keyboard and you've already sent the author your file, I'll then have a config for my keyboard where everything works |
| 19:52.34 | stoned | SnoFox, keytouch is awesome |
| 19:52.34 | FoxM | karsten: no wengophone support on qutecom channels |
| 19:52.54 | karsten | FoxM: I can't help you. I doubt the channel can. You're welcome to ask, but finding a more appropriate support source is likely your best option. |
| 19:53.10 | FoxM | karsten: thanks |
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| 19:56.31 | pelle_k | Hi. Can i use a custom DSDT in lenny, or do i have to patch the kernel myself? |
| 19:56.39 | stoned | whats a dsdt? |
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| 19:57.53 | pelle_k | stoned, DSDT stands for Differentiated System Description Table. It is a part of the ACPI specification and it supplies configuration information about a base system. |
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| 19:58.55 | pelle_k | stoned, you load it through initramfs-tools and it's supersedes the built in DSDT. |
| 19:58.55 | stoned | pelle_k, wow |
| 19:58.55 | stoned | pelle_k, thats like really technical man |
| 19:58.55 | stoned | damn |
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| 19:59.18 | Guerin | it's almost like some people actually know their shit! |
| 19:59.19 | pelle_k | stoned, well yeah. my brain hurts a bit.. |
| 19:59.23 | stoned | pelle_k, what kinda system are you running |
| 19:59.36 | pelle_k | notebookg, lg r500 CB.V |
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| 19:59.43 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:00.05 | stoned | pelle_k, and the custom dt thingy will allow you to do what exactly on your system? |
| 20:00.21 | stoned | pelle_k, is debian not working correctly on your HW as it is? |
| 20:00.36 | eptalon | what toolchain do you recommend to rip an audio cd to flac with debian sid? |
| 20:00.49 | stoned | toolchain? no just a tool |
| 20:01.00 | cahoot | eptalon: abcde |
| 20:01.09 | karsten | eptalon: I'd check to see if grip supports flac. |
| 20:01.15 | karsten | eptalon: I generally do ogg myself. |
| 20:01.17 | Guerin | hooray for flac! |
| 20:01.18 | jelly-home | stoned: usually one messes with DSDT to make hw like fans, cpufreq, hotplug, misc weird keys work (better) |
| 20:01.21 | pelle_k | stoned, in a nutshell - since the dsdt was compiled for use mainly on a windows system, it's not as strict as it should be. so i built my own to correct a few ACPI errors, but i need to load my own. |
| 20:01.34 | eptalon | karsten: flac is lossless. |
| 20:02.07 | stoned | I see |
| 20:02.08 | eptalon | Of course it only comprtessed about 0.5 |
| 20:02.16 | karsten | eptalon: And free. And an audio codec. |
| 20:02.17 | stoned | karsten, flac isn't free? |
| 20:02.17 | cahoot | eptalon: abcde does the job without any fuss |
| 20:02.17 | stoned | I had no idea |
| 20:02.20 | karsten | eptalon: They really )_Shoudl_ call it the Free Lossless Audio Codec, you know. |
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| 20:02.37 | stoned | is that what it stands for? |
| 20:02.40 | stoned | !flac |
| 20:02.41 | dpkg | i heard flac is the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See http://flac.sourceforge.net/ for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course). |
| 20:02.49 | Guerin | stoned: no, karsten just instantly backronymmed it |
| 20:02.51 | Guerin | he's that good |
| 20:03.02 | stoned | shuttup |
| 20:03.26 | eptalon | cahoot: iirc also does metainfo lookup and tagging, right? |
| 20:03.30 | Guerin | argh, today is First Roadtrip With Bub |
| 20:03.33 | pelle_k | stoned, no, debian lenny hardlocks (as do most distros < kernel 2.6.27) if i don't supply a patched DSDT, unfortunately. |
| 20:03.37 | Guerin | i think we're in for a hellofatime |
| 20:03.38 | stoned | Guerin, awwww |
| 20:03.42 | cahoot | eptalon: right |
| 20:03.44 | jelly-home | Guerin: and he travelled bakc in time to set up the factoid and mess with us? |
| 20:03.59 | Guerin | jelly-home: does that sort of thing on a daily basis |
| 20:04.00 | eptalon | cahoot: plus as shell it can rtun in the background somewhere |
| 20:04.04 | stoned | Guerin, make sure to wrap him up good and turn the heat on in the car and lock down the baby seat and put in the back and stuff |
| 20:04.11 | jelly-home | Guerin: fsvo daily, obviously |
| 20:04.13 | cahoot | eptalon: it's all cli |
| 20:04.22 | eptalon | and does not take up precious screen size. |
| 20:04.30 | stoned | Guerin, and put some pillows and shit around him |
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| 20:04.42 | Guerin | jelly-home: well, it all gets a bit messy when you fuck with the space-time continuum like that |
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| 20:04.53 | stoned | hey what about space time? |
| 20:05.01 | Guerin | stoned: we have this thing called a `car seat', they're a mandatory safety device in most civilised countries |
| 20:05.10 | jelly-home | Guerin: so THAT'S how the "Milky" Way got created |
| 20:05.12 | stoned | Guerin, I just said car seat dumbass |
| 20:05.13 | stoned | :) |
| 20:05.25 | stoned | Guerin, its called a babyseat here |
| 20:05.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 20:05.34 | SnoFox | Okay, I installed Keytouch and it's still ignoring my keypresses on the shortcut keys. |
| 20:05.46 | stoned | SnoFox, did you setup keytouch? |
| 20:05.46 | Supaplex | I call it a car seat. |
| 20:05.52 | SnoFox | Yes, stoned. |
| 20:06.00 | stoned | SnoFox, you setup each individual key? |
| 20:06.06 | stoned | SnoFox, you have to first setup your keys |
| 20:06.19 | SnoFox | I tried just the media keys, and clicked "Apply", and it's not working. |
| 20:06.33 | stoned | SnoFox, map them to do stuff you want them to do, for example, I have my media controls to work only on amarok, but I can change them to work with say some other program |
| 20:06.53 | stoned | SnoFox, did you run the keytouch deamon? |
| 20:07.00 | stoned | you have to run the demon |
| 20:07.02 | stoned | daemon |
| 20:07.13 | SnoFox | Demon, lol. What's the command, stoned? |
| 20:07.18 | stoned | I dunno |
| 20:07.38 | SnoFox | `keytouchd` apparently. |
| 20:07.44 | stoned | SnoFox, /usr/share/doc/keytouch |
| 20:07.57 | SnoFox | It says it can't grab all the keys because another program has them. ... Just great. |
| 20:08.00 | stoned | SnoFox, should be like /etc/init.d/keytouch start |
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| 20:08.37 | stoned | i sent in the HP7680 thompson keyboad file |
| 20:08.37 | stoned | :D |
| 20:08.56 | SnoFox | My keyboard was already in the file. |
| 20:09.00 | SnoFox | Er, package. |
| 20:09.07 | stoned | cool |
| 20:09.10 | stoned | which one did you have |
| 20:09.27 | SnoFox | Logitech Internet Navigator. |
| 20:09.31 | stoned | cool |
| 20:09.51 | stoned | SnoFox, perhaps the person who used his keyboard to configure had diff mappings |
| 20:10.03 | stoned | it maybe the same keyboard but may not have the right programs |
| 20:10.10 | SnoFox | stoned, I already went in and changed some of the mappings. It's not working. |
| 20:10.39 | stoned | 03:06 < SnoFox> It says it can't grab all the keys because another program has them. ... Just great. |
| 20:10.43 | stoned | whats this about? |
| 20:10.52 | SnoFox | When I launched the keytouch daemon. |
| 20:10.57 | Guerin | what's the huge left margin about? |
| 20:11.12 | Supaplex | might be a tab expansion |
| 20:11.36 | SnoFox | stoned, that's what happened when I launched the keytouch daemon. |
| 20:11.48 | stoned | SnoFox, how did you launch it |
| 20:11.58 | SnoFox | `sudo keytouchd` |
| 20:12.00 | stoned | SnoFox, close all apps that might be using/configuring the keyboard |
| 20:12.06 | stoned | SnoFox, I told you to use inti.d |
| 20:12.08 | stoned | init.d |
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| 20:12.39 | stoned | how you gonna get help from me, and then not do what I said? |
| 20:12.42 | stoned | aint that some shit.. |
| 20:12.48 | SnoFox | Okay, now I get a bunch of "Failed to set keycode:" |
| 20:12.49 | karsten | Guerin: :) |
| 20:13.26 | karsten | Guerin: usually it's a woman teilling me how good I am. |
| 20:13.27 | SnoFox | And all keyboard configuration programs are closed. |
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| 20:14.55 | SnoFox | The failure to set keycodes was on `sudo /etc/init.d/keytouch start` |
| 20:15.32 | Supaplex | SnoFox: was it stopped before you tried to start it? maybe restart is what you want. |
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| 20:16.17 | SnoFox | I stopped, started, restarted, and all of them result in errors. |
| 20:16.51 | SnoFox | But seriously, I don't think keytouch is what I need. My media keys worked perfectly fine without it before, then <insert event here> and then no media keys. |
| 20:17.01 | Supaplex | someday I'll be cool, and hae a keyboard with spiffy extra keys to use |
| 20:17.12 | SnoFox | Might I note that CtrL+Alt+L doesn't work anymore, also. |
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| 20:18.00 | Supaplex | what did you do since that worked? |
| 20:18.17 | SnoFox | Nothing, intentionally. |
| 20:18.31 | Supaplex | wasn't it working 5 minutes ago? |
| 20:18.31 | SnoFox | There was lots of updates, and I tried reversing everything I manually did. |
| 20:18.55 | SnoFox | No. Wasn't working since my 3rd restart, or so. |
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| 20:19.15 | Supaplex | oh, okay. |
| 20:19.20 | eptalon | cahoot: abcde is ripping away fine. |
| 20:19.37 | SnoFox | Okay, maybe not 3rd, but it was working for a while, then one restart, boom. It just stopped. |
| 20:19.44 | cahoot | eptalon: it's a really useful app |
| 20:20.06 | eptalon | cahoot: as soothly as it runs, I might use it more often, yes. |
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| 20:21.05 | SnoFox | Oops. |
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| 20:21.19 | Supaplex | now ya done it |
| 20:21.26 | SnoFox | What'd I do? :o |
| 20:21.37 | Supaplex | Oops, of course. |
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| 20:22.01 | SnoFox | No, I accidentally opened a panel on KVIrc and clicked the wrong X to get rid of it. >.< |
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| 20:23.23 | z00d | shall I configure two network interfaces from the same subnetwork on one host (typically usb0:10.0.0.13 and eth1:10.0.0.5 ) ? |
| 20:24.31 | SnoFox | I suppose I'm on my own, then. :\ |
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| 20:27.27 | Supaplex | SnoFox: I wish I knew enough to help on that. =) |
| 20:27.46 | SnoFox | :\ |
| 20:28.08 | SnoFox | Well, thanks. |
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| 20:29.54 | S-i-A | hi |
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| 20:30.11 | S-i-A | any way to connect with USB modem under Debian? |
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| 20:33.17 | S-i-A | any idea? |
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| 20:34.07 | karsten | S-i-A: Probably. Google. |
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| 20:34.52 | karsten | S-i-A: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/10/msg00194.html |
| 20:35.11 | eptalon | cahoot: where ywould I get "lame" from? |
| 20:35.32 | cahoot | !dmm |
| 20:35.32 | eptalon | [ERROR] abcde: lame is not in your path. |
| 20:35.32 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 20:35.55 | cahoot | eptalon: no need for lame if you make flacs ;) |
| 20:36.18 | eptalon | cahoot: I alos make oggs and mp3s. |
| 20:36.47 | cahoot | eptalon: just edit you .abcderc to invalidate tke creation of mp3 |
| 20:36.47 | jelly-home | mmm, ogg omelette |
| 20:37.14 | S-i-A | karsten: thanks |
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| 20:37.27 | cahoot | eptalon: err - se debian.multimedia fo lame |
| 20:38.14 | karsten | S-i-A: NP |
| 20:39.02 | lunk | does etch have a pre-set date when it will stop being supported? |
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| 20:39.18 | bono | hello,why dont we have a pushd manpage in etch |
| 20:39.20 | clodde | !dmm lenny |
| 20:39.20 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 20:40.31 | bono | hello,why dont we have a pushd manpage in debian... |
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| 20:41.33 | karsten | bono: man builtins |
| 20:41.54 | karsten | bono: pushd / popd are shell builtins. 'help pusdh' 'help popd' |
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| 20:43.28 | karsten | jelly-home: wouldn't that be and ogglette? |
| 20:43.31 | bono | thanks karsten |
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| 20:43.37 | karsten | bono: NP |
| 20:45.37 | enouf | alfatau: was afk - so, does /boot/grub/device.map seems correct? |
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| 20:47.21 | karsten | in netstat what's "TIME_WAIT" mean? |
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| 20:47.41 | tziku | hello, how can i see all trafic made by an IP from my server ? In real time logged on SSH. I have a network server home and 3 computers who have internet from this debian-linux-server. And i want to see trafic by an ip (not with iptraf). Thanks |
| 20:48.14 | karsten | tziku: wireshark, tethereal, ntop (maybe). |
| 20:48.25 | karsten | tziku: netstat will give you a snapshot view. |
| 20:48.29 | enouf | karsten: it's man bash-builtins, just a fwiw |
| 20:48.30 | tziku | thanks karsten |
| 20:48.51 | karsten | enouf: That's technically more accurate, I suspect /etc/alternatives |
| 20:48.53 | enouf | hrm .. is there a symlink? /me looks |
| 20:49.11 | karsten | enouf: Yes, I just checked ;-) |
| 20:49.13 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 20:49.17 | enouf | !win karsten |
| 20:49.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 20:49.31 | karsten | Hey, it's warmer than Chicago. |
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| 20:51.40 | S-i-A | is DebianLover |
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| 20:52.42 | tziku | karsten how can i use wireshark from SSH ? (wireshark:4776): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:) |
| 20:53.09 | Supaplex | ssh -X |
| 20:53.31 | Supaplex | or use tcpdump. optionally save the pcap, and reload elsewhere. |
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| 20:54.01 | tziku | thanks :P tcp dump is exactly what i need :P |
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| 20:54.42 | Supaplex | the other day I learned tcpdump and wireshark are not forks in any way. the latter was written from scratch to begin with. |
| 20:55.26 | SnoFox | . |
| 20:55.29 | enouf | Supaplex: ethereal became wireshark |
| 20:55.30 | SnoFox | Debian's fighting me today. |
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| 20:55.53 | gabislabici | who can help me to config dns ? |
| 20:55.55 | enouf | fight back you wussy! |
| 20:56.06 | Supaplex | gabislabici: a consultant |
| 20:56.08 | SnoFox | I'm trying. And I'm loosing. :\ |
| 20:56.21 | gabislabici | and from where i can get a consultant |
| 20:56.39 | Supaplex | I think there's a resource on debian.org |
| 20:56.42 | SnoFox | inserts cd labled Debian Lenny, holds power button for five seconds, and restarts computer... |
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| 20:56.58 | Supaplex | but if you want free help, try google for "how to ask smart questions" |
| 20:57.03 | _Adrian_ | well just a randmon question as I'm here... 'bout ssh |
| 20:57.12 | _Adrian_ | random** |
| 20:57.15 | gabislabici | really? |
| 20:57.29 | gabislabici | how advanced users become like that? |
| 20:57.42 | gabislabici | not from beginners? |
| 20:58.11 | Supaplex | one day at a time? |
| 20:58.17 | gabislabici | yes |
| 20:58.28 | gabislabici | and why are you all here, not for helping? |
| 20:58.36 | gabislabici | or giving help? |
| 20:58.44 | Lovecraft | gabislabici, You want a refund? |
| 20:58.46 | gabislabici | or is just a simple chart? |
| 20:58.53 | gabislabici | no |
| 20:58.57 | gabislabici | i have money |
| 20:58.58 | _Adrian_ | i have access to a [debian] server, through a router (NAT). and I want to access it from home (can't open ports). i have a machine with DMZ at home, can I make a persistent tunnel? |
| 20:59.00 | gabislabici | thanks |
| 21:00.47 | dantti | hi, not sure this is the right place, but i have a really weird behavior in my virtual box, i was running a lenny guest, and suddently it stoped talking to debian.org, my host machine (also lenny) talks to debian.org fine, and the guest still talking to others websites. should i ask in #vitualbox ? i'm using the ose |
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| 21:01.22 | Ace2016_- | ok i need help, grub doesn't work |
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| 21:01.28 | nkuttler | _Adrian_: i'm not sure i get your question, do you want a reverse tunnel? |
| 21:01.57 | enouf | Ace2016_-: try grub2 (grub-pc and friends) or maybe LiLo |
| 21:01.59 | Ace2016_- | chrooted into it, ran update-grub and grub install without errors but it just ends up at grub> |
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| 21:02.20 | ZeuZ | Does anybody know what is behing used here: http://purposeofreason.deviantart.com/art/03-17-2006-80298422?offset=10#comments for displaying the distro information? |
| 21:02.24 | gabislabici | So is there enywhone that can help me config ... Dns ? |
| 21:02.30 | Ace2016_- | enouf: but i'm using a 1GB raid 1 partition with ext3 on it, what could be wrong with it? |
| 21:02.35 | jelly-home | <karsten> in netstat what's "TIME_WAIT" mean? # "the connection is almost dead. It's not coming back. Just waiting for a bit before forgetting about it, in case a stray related packet comes in from the cold." |
| 21:02.50 | jelly-home | karsten: a free interpretation from http://www.ssfnet.org/Exchange/tcp/tcpTutorialNotes.html |
| 21:02.57 | enouf | Ace2016_-: it's not raid1 if there's only one disk/volume/partition :-P |
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| 21:03.01 | Ace2016_- | enouf: in theory the existing grub should be able to boot my system if i copy over the files right? |
| 21:03.16 | nkuttler | gabislabici: maybe if you asked a real question.. |
| 21:03.17 | Ace2016_- | enouf: yes i made it with --force, it will soon have a second disk |
| 21:03.19 | enouf | or .. more correctly, it could be a degraded one |
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| 21:03.34 | Ace2016_- | but i don't think being degraded makes any difference |
| 21:03.42 | enouf | existing grub? |
| 21:04.58 | Ace2016_- | enouf: yes, bios lets me pick which disk to boot from, sdb has the old grub info |
| 21:05.08 | enouf | oh |
| 21:05.13 | Ace2016_- | the new grub in the chroot is on sda and it just gives me grub> |
| 21:05.16 | enouf | but you don't need to try that |
| 21:05.33 | enouf | well, why not just run rescue mode? |
| 21:05.38 | gabislabici | nkuttler: how to set the dns for a virtual host like : jiontro.ro with shared ip? |
| 21:05.39 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 21:05.39 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 21:05.39 | Ace2016_- | rescue mode? |
| 21:05.52 | Supaplex | !tell gabislabici -about consultants |
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| 21:06.32 | gabislabici | Supaplex: What is a consultant? |
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| 21:06.46 | Ace2016_- | enouf: i have a working system currently running, got a bigger hard disk, layed it out with degraded raid1 partitions then when i move over to that disk i'll wipe the disk which i am using now and add it to the raid |
| 21:07.21 | enouf | Ace2016_-: maybe your #groot=, or #kopt= is incorrect in your menu.lst - also checkout /device.map and ensure it corresponds to 1st disk in BIOS Boot order |
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| 21:08.05 | Ace2016_- | bios has a menu in which i can pick |
| 21:08.19 | Ace2016_- | i have to press escape a few times to get it |
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| 21:08.44 | enouf | so i heard, has nothing to do with what i mentioned |
| 21:09.08 | Ace2016_- | oh |
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| 21:11.33 | Ace2016_- | enouf: ah, groot was wrong, kopt was the one i corrected before, thanks |
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| 21:20.52 | Guerin | karsten: don't believe everything your mum tells you ;) |
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| 21:21.27 | nullboy | she's been wrong before ;) |
| 21:24.03 | Ace2016_- | well hopefully it works this time, bye |
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| 21:25.21 | karsten | Guerin: Damn! |
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| 21:29.39 | MrWax | Is there any kind of way to delete every line in a text file that starts with 0? Does anyone know how? |
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| 21:30.51 | Guerin | MrWax: man grep |
| 21:30.55 | flixil | MrWax: can you give me 2 minutes and i tell you how? i wanna test it first |
| 21:31.02 | stew | MrWax: sed '/^0/d' |
| 21:31.07 | Tramp | MrWax: sed '/^0/d' file >newfile (or -i, if your sed supports it) |
| 21:31.13 | MrWax | ok thanks |
| 21:31.15 | Guerin | MrWax: grep -V ^0 file > newfile |
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| 21:31.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:31.36 | Z_God | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1 doesn't see all my partitions, while previous revisions of that version did, is there are place to download older versions? |
| 21:31.45 | Guerin | oh wait, lowecase v |
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| 21:38.39 | flixil | MrWax: perl -ne 'if(m/^0.*$/){next;}else{print $_}' file.txt && echo #should work |
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| 21:39.26 | Ace2016_- | enouf: success, i can boot the new system, by editing the existing grub entry and getting it to boot the new system |
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| 21:42.22 | Fiskah | I have an application that doesn't run as a deamon. How do I make it keep running when I close my shell? |
| 21:42.24 | LoveGuru | how can i check my system configuration? |
| 21:42.53 | lostson | Fiskah: and a & at the end of the command |
| 21:43.10 | dondelelcaro | Fiskah: ( foo >/dev/null 2>&1 & ) |
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| 21:43.30 | lostson | Fiskah: for instance when i run fetchmail i use the command fetchmail -d 600 & |
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| 21:43.55 | LoveGuru | its lspci ? |
| 21:44.34 | dusted | "how can i check my system configuration?" <- explain your question ? |
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| 21:44.46 | dusted | What PART of your system.. |
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| 21:45.01 | LoveGuru | dusted: whole system configuration |
| 21:45.03 | Supaplex | the configuration part. HAH |
| 21:45.30 | dusted | Lovecraft, cat /etc/* |
| 21:45.36 | Supaplex | LoveGuru: do you have any reason to suspect a problem on it? Why should we waste hours upon hours to check every detail of your computer? |
| 21:45.45 | dusted | LoveGuru, * |
| 21:45.48 | Orion_X11 | LoveGuru: lshw |
| 21:46.00 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: yep i do.. have problem :) |
| 21:46.09 | Supaplex | LoveGuru: then tell us the problem |
| 21:46.11 | LoveGuru | Orion_X11 And dusted: thankyou so much |
| 21:46.17 | dusted | I was kidding |
| 21:46.20 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 21:46.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 21:47.34 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: i m compiling kernel. so i need some info regarding bios. |
| 21:47.43 | LoveGuru | * and my processor |
| 21:47.49 | dusted | then how about asking where to find that part, instead ? |
| 21:48.14 | LoveGuru | dusted: wtf with cat /etc/* ? |
| 21:48.22 | Supaplex | LoveGuru: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:48.31 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: thankx though |
| 21:48.35 | dusted | it displays whats in most of your config files, system means the whole system |
| 21:48.42 | dusted | what kind of cpu info do you need ? you can cat /proc/cpuinfo to get some info |
| 21:48.42 | Supaplex | LoveGuru: you asked a VERY vague question, so dusted replied with a likewise vague response. |
| 21:49.12 | LoveGuru | i m Sorry for that.. if i asked really *vague* question. |
| 21:49.36 | dusted | It's okay :) still, what do you need to know about your CPU and bios ? |
| 21:49.38 | Supaplex | I'm sure you are. We fail at mind reading :) |
| 21:50.12 | enouf | Ace2016_-: cool beans |
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| 21:50.13 | LoveGuru | dusted: no thanks.. " cat /proc/cpuinfo " fine what i m looking for :) |
| 21:50.28 | dusted | Also, if you're compiling a new kernel on a system with a working kernel, one way to start is to cp /boot/config-your-kernel-version /usr/src/linux-version-of-new-kernel/.config and start from that |
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| 21:51.02 | LoveGuru | dusted: hehe thanks though :) using that same method :p |
| 21:52.15 | Supaplex | don't forget make oldconfig too :) |
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| 21:52.20 | Supaplex | LoveGuru: ^^^^ |
| 21:52.36 | HardDisk_WP | what the 'ell, I hate grep |
| 21:52.36 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.com/mb33e6cd |
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| 21:52.42 | HardDisk_WP | why does it obviously ignore -r?! |
| 21:52.42 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: really :S i havn't used it , i did " make menuconfig :S |
| 21:53.29 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: put it first ? |
| 21:53.48 | dusted | Supaplex, make oldconfig, what does that do? |
| 21:54.02 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, no...I have to put the *.php inside ' |
| 21:54.04 | HardDisk_WP | :/ |
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| 21:54.52 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: i really don't know that :S |
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| 21:55.07 | LoveGuru | thats why i used makemenuconfig and used my debian kernel config. |
| 21:55.09 | LoveGuru | and edit that one |
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| 21:55.44 | melfar | Hello guys. I've only dealt with sendmail previously, and now have a server with exim preinstalled. Could you prompt me how to enable domain masquerading in exim? |
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| 21:56.43 | Supaplex | dusted: is asks questions that were not answered yet. eg, questions that now appear in the kernel you are configuring that did not in the old config. |
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| 21:56.49 | david___1 | hi, Im having problems with samba+ldap. It worked until recently. When changing passwords with smbpasswd the password does not get synchronized between ldap and samba. So I cant login into samba with my new password but into linux. With my old password I can login into samba but when samba tries to access files on linux it doesnt work. |
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| 21:57.03 | david___1 | Do you have any hints regarding this strange behaviour? |
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| 21:57.08 | dusted | Supaplex, aah :) |
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| 21:57.50 | karsten | david___1: /join #exim, or Googling: http://tinyurl.com/8drk4o |
| 21:57.52 | Supaplex | great for when you're happy with the oldconfig, and just want to hit the changed features. |
| 21:58.02 | karsten | melfar: ^^ |
| 21:58.05 | karsten | david___1: Sorry, NM. |
| 21:58.10 | flixil | What's the name of libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 in testing branch, i'm unable to find it |
| 21:58.26 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: ohh gotcha.. but if i edit the new kernel myself so it should be fine? |
| 21:58.51 | jelly-home | flixil: it might be gone |
| 22:00.20 | flixil | I need /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 ... I'll install stable one then :s |
| 22:00.25 | Supaplex | LoveGuru: yes. it's easier to find the new questions with make oldconfig first, then modify any differences after. menuconfig doesn't indicate if you're looking at a new feature since the last config or not. |
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| 22:00.48 | robert83a5 | hello, how do I install module ip_conntrack_ftp on debian linux 4 etch |
| 22:00.52 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: yea right.. i saw that somewhere oldconfig. correct. forget to used it.. |
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| 22:01.21 | dusted | robert83a5, check that your kernel does not already have it |
| 22:01.54 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: thanks for info.. well Supaplex i forget to disbable some modules in makeconfig. i just exit it from there and save the file,, but i don't make it yet.. is there i can again open that configuration to made just those changes? |
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| 22:06.47 | julian | i see i can only 'apt-get install <packagename>/stable' and not 'apt-get install <packagename>/etch'? are aliases automatically translated into target release names? |
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| 22:08.35 | julian | s/?// |
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| 22:09.23 | flixil | jelly-home: i lied to the program, i provided a false libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 that was just a symbolic link to libstdc++.so.6 and so far seems to work :) |
| 22:10.17 | code__ | i want to install testing from usb 1GB memory, should i just use CD netinst image ? |
| 22:11.05 | abrotman | !tell code__ about usb install |
| 22:12.06 | code__ | abrotman: i asked dpgk, but no answer :( |
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| 22:13.22 | code__ | dpkg i mean |
| 22:13.22 | dpkg | code__: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 22:13.46 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 22:13.46 | dpkg | it has been said that usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 22:14.09 | code__ | abrotman: thx |
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| 22:14.41 | azote | hello all, i have some trouble whith nxserver on debian testing, if anyone chan help me please ? |
| 22:14.59 | Supaplex | I <3 my u3 stick with mini.iso on it :) |
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| 22:15.05 | azote | i know there is a channel #nx but i dont have any answer :p |
| 22:15.14 | Supaplex | !tell azote -about ask |
| 22:15.37 | azote | http://pastebin.com/d56567c |
| 22:15.42 | azote | http://pastebin.com/d766aac64 |
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| 22:16.21 | Supaplex | oh a testing package. humm. /me checks pdo |
| 22:16.54 | Supaplex | azote: is it a debian package? |
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| 22:17.52 | azote | i donwloaded it on http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=359 |
| 22:18.23 | jelly-home | "no" |
| 22:18.26 | Supaplex | ahh. a non debian.org repo/mirror. |
| 22:18.36 | jelly-home | and nonfree as well, afair |
| 22:18.43 | Supaplex | yeah. |
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| 22:20.43 | jelly-home | azote: in absence of experience with the actual software, this channel will often fall back to excuses about nonfreeness and offtopicness if applicable |
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| 22:21.09 | Guerin | both of which are perfectly valid reasons for not giving support |
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| 22:21.22 | Guerin | so good luck with that :) |
| 22:21.37 | Guerin | and as with all unfree software - I suggest contacting the distributor |
| 22:21.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: to be fair .. it's correct :) |
| 22:21.50 | jelly-home | Guerin: yes; but had he asked about, say, Opera's deb, he might have had luck in getting some helpful advice |
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| 22:22.21 | Supaplex | we can't do it all :) |
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| 22:25.35 | vimpulse | azote: do you want help with finding a good alternative to Opera, or with getting your issues with other browsers resolved so you can switch to them? |
| 22:25.43 | Guerin | jelly-home: not likely. |
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| 22:26.10 | azote | Opera ? |
| 22:26.18 | jelly-home | and then we have people who can't read |
| 22:26.21 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 22:27.06 | enouf | Figaro? |
| 22:27.25 | julian | wonders why most of the Spanish debian mirrors tend to be so obscenely slow, even when dialed from inside Spain. |
| 22:27.29 | jelly-home | the barber of Seville? |
| 22:27.33 | jelly-home | !es |
| 22:27.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:27.43 | julian | jelly-home: must be. |
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| 22:28.47 | julian | jelly-home: English is my first language, but yes i suppose info about Spanish mirrors would be better found in #debian-des |
| 22:29.20 | enouf | passes jelly-home a nutcracker from some suite |
| 22:29.49 | jelly-home | julian: my apologies; I was only continuing the Figaro pun |
| 22:29.55 | dustybin | what would happen if a new linux kernel came out, what was fat and bloated, and would only run on high spec hardware, and contained a lot of problems with drivers etc, would the older revisions of the kernel keep on extending the lifetime? |
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| 22:30.21 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: if people maintained them, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 22:30.33 | julian | jelly-home: i got it, albeit the awareness of any pun extrapolation/continuation came a tad late ;) |
| 22:30.48 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: i got the idea from reading this: http://www.crn.com/software/212501445 |
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| 22:31.17 | riaal | has anyone ever setup a pptp vpn tunnel? |
| 22:31.23 | Tekno | yes |
| 22:31.24 | jelly-home | dustybin: like, say, 2.4.* series? |
| 22:31.33 | dustybin | aye |
| 22:31.34 | riaal | with the linux machine as server that is |
| 22:32.03 | jelly-home | riaal: anyone surely must have. |
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| 22:32.21 | riaal | * has anyone ever setup a linux machine as pptpd server? :) |
| 22:32.45 | dustybin | December 31st will be my last day to update my home server, hopefully lenny will be released by then |
| 22:32.47 | jelly-home | riaal: definitely! |
| 22:33.07 | riaal | but not you jelly-home ? |
| 22:33.09 | riaal | :) |
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| 22:33.10 | vimpulse | azote: oops, maybe not Opera. |
| 22:33.10 | vimpulse | all : What was the original question about non-free software? I wasn't here. |
| 22:33.22 | jelly-home | riaal: me included. But you didn't ask that. |
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| 22:34.17 | enouf | dustybin: you a gambling man, are ya? :-P |
| 22:34.32 | riaal | jelly-home: I need some help, I have configured the vpn and tested to connect with a client, it works fine. Now I want to terminate the tunnel at the server and send all traffic out a different interface |
| 22:34.49 | julian | lenny's slated for release by Dec 31?? |
| 22:34.56 | julian | is behind the times. |
| 22:35.12 | jelly-home | julian: /nick gregorian |
| 22:35.16 | Supaplex | julian: it's always by Christmas. we just never say what year ;) |
| 22:35.31 | byzantine | Supaplex: haha |
| 22:35.33 | dustybin | enouf: i was talking about december 31st 2009 :P |
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| 22:35.58 | julian | dustybin: thanks.. i can change my nick back |
| 22:36.02 | dustybin | i wonder what the debian coders look like |
| 22:36.04 | Supaplex | byzantine: that's a long standing joke in the FOSS community. pick any holiday really. :) |
| 22:36.27 | [aaron] | what is the samba setting so that when a windows user goes to \\servername it immediately prompts them for user/pass instead of when they click on the share? |
| 22:36.28 | dustybin | i always imagine the debian coders to have long greying beards, and wear sandles, with tomato ketchup stained tshirts lol |
| 22:36.32 | vimpulse | We should recruit Santa's elves to fix RC bugs. I wonder how we can contact them. :) |
| 22:36.43 | julian | Supaplex: yes it would seem so. i've heard it come up over the years.. |
| 22:36.57 | vimpulse | [aaron]: I dunno, but I recommend that you ask in #samba for faster response. :) anyone? |
| 22:37.01 | jelly-home | dustybin: RMS is not a DD! |
| 22:37.06 | julian | dustybin: bah, that's a stereotype.. |
| 22:37.09 | [aaron] | #samba is dead. |
| 22:37.21 | dustybin | RMS? |
| 22:37.25 | vimpulse | [aaron]: I see dozens of people there. |
| 22:37.44 | jelly-home | dustybin: the grey bearded guy with sandals. And a pair of swords. |
| 22:37.47 | vimpulse | [aaron]: how long did you wait? also, did you check the manual? |
| 22:37.52 | dustybin | LOL |
| 22:38.47 | julian | dustybin: see the mugshots at planet.debian.org if you're interested. quite a diverse bunch and only a small slice of all contributors. |
| 22:38.54 | alfatau | enouf: excuse me, i had to go away for a bit of time. well, /boot/grub/device.map is correct |
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| 22:39.39 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 22:41.40 | dustybin | even female coders! |
| 22:41.42 | dustybin | shocked |
| 22:42.01 | riaal | can someone help me to setup a pptpd vpn server? |
| 22:42.30 | jelly-home | riaal: shouldn't that be basically killing the pppd process? |
| 22:42.47 | riaal | I might be missing something |
| 22:43.05 | jelly-home | I just set it up and it worked, never needed to kill it from the server side |
| 22:43.22 | riaal | I have only used cisco asa for vpn server |
| 22:43.36 | riaal | Its working |
| 22:43.42 | vimpulse | why does it seem that so few coders are female? |
| 22:43.50 | riaal | but I have no internet connection, the traffic is not routed out from the server |
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| 22:44.24 | jelly-home | riaal: oh, you can only reach the peer from the client? |
| 22:44.56 | riaal | yeh, I can only connect, not reach any hosts on the interneal net etc. |
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| 22:45.22 | frojnd | hello there, I'd like to get debina server, is there any version that has long term support ' |
| 22:45.30 | jelly-home | riaal: and if you add the route manually? |
| 22:45.42 | julian | has finished the install of Lenny on his Thinkpad X200 and notes it works beautifully. |
| 22:45.45 | riaal | jelly-home: that is what I need help with |
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| 22:46.03 | vimpulse | julian: you should tell debian-devel that, they'd be glad for the compliment |
| 22:46.17 | julian | vimpulse: i will certainly do so. |
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| 22:46.48 | jelly-home | riaal: um. route add -net 10.0.0.0/8 gw yo.ur.ppp.peer ? |
| 22:46.51 | vimpulse | frojnd: yes, there is. why do you want debian? |
| 22:46.59 | vimpulse | if I may ask :) |
| 22:47.24 | jelly-home | frojnd: debian stable usually has support for 2-3 years |
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| 22:47.55 | JyZyXEL | how did you put a user into a group? |
| 22:48.02 | jelly-home | frojnd: that is, it _only_ has long-term support |
| 22:48.56 | jelly-home | riaal: (obviously you'll also replace 10.0.0.0/8 with your internal network) |
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| 22:49.23 | riaal | jelly-home: it's not working, I'm missing something |
| 22:49.40 | vimpulse | julian: note that debian-devel here is much quieter than the one on irc.oftc.net. but don't worry, they'll hear you in time :) |
| 22:49.42 | riaal | there must be some sort of pptp configuration what IP the tunnel should get when it terminates |
| 22:49.48 | riaal | like a pool or something |
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| 22:50.10 | mirak | hi |
| 22:50.17 | julian | vimpulse: yes i've dropped in there from time to time and noted the relative quiet. (i don't need to hear back) |
| 22:50.56 | jelly-home | riaal: yes. /etc/pptpd.conf, remoteip |
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| 22:51.12 | mirak | I am looking for the name of an application I already used, its related to lvm dmsetup and such, it alowws to mount disk images in loopback. |
| 22:51.25 | abrotman | julian: you might want to try on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:51.34 | riaal | jelly-home: I figured that was what hosts where allowed to connect? |
| 22:52.00 | julian | abrotman: cheers, i may do this. |
| 22:52.14 | alfatau | hello, update-grub identifies wrong root-partition [ (hd1,0) instead of (hd0,0) ] for kernel boot images, so after apt-get upgrade, if a new kernel is installed and a reboot is asked, my server doesn't boot. How to correct the problem with update-grub? |
| 22:52.18 | frojnd | jelly-home: after 2-3 years do I have to make a new installation ? |
| 22:52.23 | jelly-home | riaal: no, those are ranges-to-be-assigned |
| 22:52.44 | frojnd | jelly-home: or can I upgrade from packages ? why debian, I heard nothing but good stuff |
| 22:52.45 | jelly-home | frojnd: you upgrade to the next version |
| 22:52.54 | frojnd | jelly-home: ok cool |
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| 22:52.56 | jelly-home | frojnd: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 22:53.33 | frojnd | jelly-home: what's the current stable version of debian server and where could I dl it ? |
| 22:53.44 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 22:53.44 | dpkg | 4.0r6 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | hrm .. should probably remove that sarge reference |
| 22:53.58 | riaal | jelly: so when the connection terminates, in the server, the traffic will be assigned one of thows ip's? |
| 22:54.02 | abrotman | makes a note |
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| 22:54.05 | dustybin | how can one extract .iso files? |
| 22:54.15 | abrotman | !tell dustybin about mount iso |
| 22:54.20 | dustybin | aye thanks |
| 22:54.49 | dustybin | is there another way to do it, i dont want to just mount it |
| 22:54.59 | jelly-home | riaal: you're making me confused with "connection terminates" :-) |
| 22:55.03 | vimpulse | frojnd: i'm an old timer here (i used to be named unfo or jspiro) so I am going to take a risk here. You may have trouble finding support here, since you seem to ask questions which I think can be answered online. So I recommend you consider Ubuntu Server instead. |
| 22:55.10 | dustybin | i need the reverse of mkiso |
| 22:55.14 | abrotman | you're an old timer ? |
| 22:55.17 | vimpulse | frojnd: It is slightly simpler to use. |
| 22:55.20 | abrotman | vimpulse: don't tell him that |
| 22:55.22 | vimpulse | abrotman: well, somewhat |
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| 22:55.40 | vimpulse | abrotman: why not? he is asking where to download debian. how will he cope with a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:55.43 | abrotman | frojnd: ignore vimpulse ... Debian is perfectly fine |
| 22:56.06 | abrotman | vimpulse: like every other person .. it's pretty easy .. don't point people at another distro because your skills are lacking |
| 22:56.16 | jelly-home | riaal: when the connection is broken, the traffic won't be routed thru it any more |
| 22:56.30 | vimpulse | abrotman: some of the debconf questions on a dist-upgrade are hard IMO. |
| 22:56.31 | jelly-home | riaal: I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 22:56.35 | JyZyXEL | what is a ftp server called where everyone can access and upload random shit? |
| 22:56.54 | abrotman | vimpulse: in YOUR opinion .. don't assume he can't handle debian .. your skills are lacking, his might not be |
| 22:56.58 | dustybin | anonymous? |
| 22:56.58 | Geier | JyZyXEL, a public server? |
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| 22:57.06 | JyZyXEL | all the daemons are ment for unix user stuff |
| 22:57.16 | riaal | jelly-home: :) okey here we go: I have 2 interfaces. One with a sharp IP (dmz) and one is one inside of my firewall, so: eth0 = 83.234.23.2 and eth1 = 192.168.2.100 |
| 22:57.16 | JyZyXEL | every user gets ftp to his home dir |
| 22:57.18 | JyZyXEL | thats bullshit |
| 22:57.31 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: then configure it correctly |
| 22:57.46 | stew | JyZyXEL: you want anonymous ftp? |
| 22:58.04 | julian | JyZyXEL: possibly a bad idea for r/w |
| 22:58.08 | riaal | jelly-home: I want to be able to connect to the eth0 form anywhere, and the traffic shall be sent out my internal network, and to the internal router 192.168.2.1 as default gateway |
| 22:58.21 | julian | JyZyXEL: unless it's on your secured home lan |
| 22:58.37 | julian | (but anyway, none of my business) |
| 22:58.43 | JyZyXEL | so its called anonymous ftp? |
| 22:58.45 | jelly-home | riaal: so you want even the internet traffic to go out the 192.168.2.1? |
| 22:58.53 | julian | JyZyXEL: generally, yes |
| 22:59.05 | riaal | jelly-home: that would be great |
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| 22:59.14 | stew | JyZyXEL: anonymous ftp is when people use the username "anonymous" to login and any password is accepted |
| 22:59.49 | abrotman | and if you leave it read/write .. you'll get all kinds of free stuff and use a lot of traffic |
| 23:00.03 | Geier | "free stuff", lol |
| 23:00.09 | mirak | I found it, its called multipath-tools |
| 23:00.13 | jelly-home | riaal: you'll have to set up an explicit route for 83.234.23.2 to the old default gw, perhaps delete the old default route, and set up a new one via 192.168.2.1 |
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| 23:00.28 | JyZyXEL | stew no i wanna set a password |
| 23:00.46 | abrotman | i believe vsftpd allows an 'ftp' user with a common dir |
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| 23:00.57 | JyZyXEL | yea that should good |
| 23:01.13 | Geier | JyZyXEL, do you __want__ a server everyone can use, or do you want it protected? |
| 23:01.22 | abrotman | or you could just create a user for any ftpd |
| 23:01.26 | JyZyXEL | Geier well password protected |
| 23:01.32 | Geier | kk |
| 23:01.37 | julian | or you could just run away from FTP screaming. |
| 23:01.48 | jelly-home | riaal: I don't have a pptp client nearby, so I don't remember whether pppd establishes a route for 192.168.2.0/24 (or whatever your internal network) by default, or just the .100 peer. if it's just the peer, you'll also need to make a route for that net via iface ppp0 |
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| 23:02.17 | stew | JyZyXEL: then any ftp server will do |
| 23:02.19 | Geier | JyZyXEL, create an extra user for the account |
| 23:02.22 | stew | JyZyXEL: what exaclty is the problem? |
| 23:02.31 | Geier | yea |
| 23:02.40 | JyZyXEL | well i looked in the debian wiki |
| 23:02.51 | JyZyXEL | and there was like all this mysql database creation |
| 23:02.54 | jelly-home | riaal: can you pastebin the output of "ip r" or "route -n" on a pptp client after the connection is established? |
| 23:03.04 | JyZyXEL | and pasting hundreds of lines of config |
| 23:03.05 | julian | agreed, i think a user for each account is probably the safest with something as scary as ftp. |
| 23:03.06 | JyZyXEL | like wtf |
| 23:03.22 | Geier | JyZyXEL, link plz |
| 23:03.30 | aoliveira | dsa |
| 23:03.45 | stew | JyZyXEL: there is more than one way to setup an ftp server, that doesn't seem like the one you want |
| 23:03.46 | david___1 | When trying to connect to my samba pdc it works fine for me. But another user (same rights) gets the Error "The system cant log you on because the domain is not available". Any hints? Ldap, PDC, Samba 3.25 Debian, WinXP, Roaming Profiles |
| 23:03.47 | JyZyXEL | debian wiki -> FTP -> proftpd tutorial |
| 23:03.58 | Geier | link plox |
| 23:03.59 | stew | JyZyXEL: another way would be "aptitude install vsftpd" or "aptitude install proftpd" |
| 23:04.03 | jelly-home | riaal: also, pptp was somewhat flaky for me. I think people use openvpn these days. |
| 23:04.25 | julian | mmm openvpn. there's a rainy day done right. |
| 23:04.28 | stew | JyZyXEL: or "aptitude install pure-ftpd". It doesn't seem like any of these would require any additional configuration from the default |
| 23:04.32 | riaal | jelly-home: thanks for helping, hold on a sec, I will try to make it clearer :) |
| 23:04.56 | JyZyXEL | stew but by default the daemons offer FTP access for all the users in the b0x |
| 23:04.58 | Geier | ok JyZyXEL you chose the wrong tutorial |
| 23:05.00 | stew | openvpn is great |
| 23:05.00 | jelly-home | riaal: pptp was nice in that there was a client in windows 2000/xp by default |
| 23:05.02 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 23:05.10 | JyZyXEL | i just wanna have one account |
| 23:05.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: that can easily be changed |
| 23:05.21 | JyZyXEL | 1account1password lol |
| 23:05.44 | stew | JyZyXEL: and what is the problem with doing this? |
| 23:06.05 | vimpulse | JyZyXEL: what kinds of files do you want to accept and serve? |
| 23:06.15 | JyZyXEL | how do you make so that they can only upload and not remove files? |
| 23:06.43 | Geier | JyZyXEL, that's not possible, I think |
| 23:06.46 | julian | hehe. odd |
| 23:06.48 | Geier | write access is write access |
| 23:06.56 | julian | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.59 | JyZyXEL | Geier i've seen many FTP servers that have this |
| 23:07.00 | vimpulse | JyZyXEL: you should allow them to upload to /incoming write-only, then verify to make sure it's not child porn or warez, then move to /pub read-only |
| 23:07.15 | vimpulse | JyZyXEL: but again, what kinds of files do you want to accept and serve? |
| 23:07.19 | avu | Geier, wrong. |
| 23:07.24 | JyZyXEL | vimpulse everything goes |
| 23:07.25 | Geier | avu, sorry |
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| 23:08.05 | JyZyXEL | vimpulse can you move the files automagically? |
| 23:08.07 | aoliveira | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.09 | vimpulse | JyZyXEL: encouraging sharing of child porn encourages people to abduct children and do horrible things to them. also in many countries it's illegal. |
| 23:08.11 | JyZyXEL | what daemon supports this? |
| 23:08.25 | julian | really though you could copy it once uploaded on a cron or via a directory daemon to a location that was read-only after upload |
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| 23:08.34 | JyZyXEL | lol vimpulse ur one sick puppy |
| 23:08.45 | julian | aoliveira: lsof |
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| 23:09.00 | aoliveira | julian: doesnt work |
| 23:09.01 | vimpulse | JyZyXEL: no, just practical, since you seem to be ignoring the question i've asked you a few times. which is rude btw. |
| 23:09.07 | vimpulse | :) |
| 23:09.14 | julian | alfatau: lsof | grep filename |
| 23:09.35 | aoliveira | there is a directory called logs in my home |
| 23:09.51 | vimpulse | alfatau: lsof filename |
| 23:09.52 | aoliveira | ive removed it before but it always recreated |
| 23:09.59 | Schiz0|SD | aoliveira: the problem you're trying to see probably only flushes the log files every 1 minute or so. |
| 23:10.01 | riaal | jelly-home: where is what I want to do: http://www.highwind.se/Picture16.png |
| 23:10.05 | Schiz0|SD | s/problem/program |
| 23:10.10 | julian | aoliveira: log files are rarely written to continuously. maybe they're periodically written to? |
| 23:10.12 | aoliveira | there are some program recreating it but i don know which |
| 23:10.31 | julian | aoliveira: watch lsof | grep theLogName |
| 23:10.35 | aoliveira | actually i know what program is |
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| 23:10.38 | alfatau | julian & vimpulse: which filename? |
| 23:10.42 | aoliveira | it's the irc client |
| 23:11.08 | aoliveira | but is there a way to find it for periodically use? |
| 23:11.10 | julian | alfatau: AFAIK s/he knows the file but not what process is writing to it |
| 23:11.29 | Geier | can't you tell from the file's content? |
| 23:11.29 | julian | aoliveira: watch lsof | grep theLogName |
| 23:11.32 | aoliveira | i know the process as well but let supposed than not |
| 23:11.43 | aoliveira | no output |
| 23:11.46 | Schiz0|SD | aoliveira: what IRC client? |
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| 23:11.55 | vimpulse | frojnd: I forgot to mention the advantages of debian over ubuntu though. It's far more stable and reliable. The IRC channel is way better than Ubuntu's. And it has awesome intermediate releases that you can upgrade to if you like, called "testing". |
| 23:11.57 | aoliveira | konversation |
| 23:12.00 | jelly-home | riaal: got it. Now where's that route on the client? What happens if you enable "defaultroute" on server /etc/ppp/pptpd-options? |
| 23:12.18 | aoliveira | lsof logs/freenode_##linux.log |
| 23:12.22 | Schiz0|SD | aoliveira: read the konversation docs and figure out how to turn off logging. |
| 23:12.25 | aoliveira | nothing |
| 23:12.36 | aoliveira | it isnt the point |
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| 23:12.44 | Geier | then what's the point? |
| 23:12.49 | julian | alfatau: have to wait until the file's been changed. |
| 23:12.50 | Schiz0|SD | Obviously you know that knoversation is the one creating/writing the log ifles. |
| 23:12.56 | Schiz0|SD | that's what lsof tells you. |
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| 23:13.22 | aoliveira | if i didnt know |
| 23:13.37 | riaal | jelly-home: don't see it in there? |
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| 23:13.46 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$lsof logs/freenode_##linux.log |
| 23:13.47 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$ |
| 23:13.49 | aoliveira | see? |
| 23:13.57 | riaal | jelly-home: is it suppose to be outcommented? |
| 23:14.14 | Schiz0|SD | aoliveira: ok, what are you trying to do? Prevent the log file from being created? or figure out what program is creating it? Or something else? |
| 23:14.14 | aoliveira | using the lsof i will not be able to identifiy the process |
| 23:14.23 | vimpulse | aoliveira: "#" means "the rest of this line is a comment" |
| 23:14.29 | alfatau | julian: which file? what do you mean? are you sure i'm your chat target? i'm sorry, i'm not a native speaker, i'm not understanding what are you trying to tell me... |
| 23:14.43 | jelly-home | riaal: I'd like to see the current state of the client first. |
| 23:14.54 | Schiz0|SD | aoliveira: you wont be able to identify the process because the client almost always writes the log files every "x" minutes, not constantly |
| 23:14.58 | aoliveira | Schiz0|SD: i want some programa that show what process is using a file |
| 23:14.59 | julian | alfatau: sorry, i may have tab-completed the wrong nick. |
| 23:15.09 | riaal | jelly-home: the client? :S |
| 23:15.17 | aoliveira | Schiz0|SD: so what parameter or program will do it? |
| 23:15.22 | jelly-home | riaal: can you pastebin the output of "ip r" or "route -n" on a pptp client after the connection is established? |
| 23:15.24 | Schiz0|SD | nothing that I know of. |
| 23:15.30 | Schiz0|SD | the file isn't open all the time. |
| 23:15.36 | alfatau | julian: no probl, goodnight :D |
| 23:15.42 | julian | alfatau: night! |
| 23:15.45 | aoliveira | how i know what was the las process to write in a file? |
| 23:15.56 | Schiz0|SD | aoliveira: you can't, as far as I know. |
| 23:16.02 | aoliveira | pfff |
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| 23:16.16 | vimpulse | aoliveira: oprofile maybe? systemtap? |
| 23:16.31 | vimpulse | aoliveira: or a file system profiler, if one exists |
| 23:17.04 | aoliveira | another thing |
| 23:17.24 | Schiz0|SD | oh, I think there's daemons that monitor files. fam and/or gamin |
| 23:17.26 | aoliveira | when i do fuser -mv logs/ |
| 23:17.45 | julian | aoliveira: while true; do lsof | grep theFile; done |
| 23:17.54 | aoliveira | it shows all process open in that mount point? |
| 23:17.55 | vimpulse | aoliveira: oops, yes, i think Schiz0|SD is right and i am wrong. forget the ideas i proposed. |
| 23:18.06 | vimpulse | aoliveira: julian also looks right |
| 23:18.11 | Supaplex | julian: you can lsof /file too |
| 23:18.13 | aoliveira | let me test it |
| 23:18.19 | julian | Supaplex: true.. |
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| 23:19.03 | aoliveira | asd |
| 23:19.07 | aoliveira | a |
| 23:19.11 | aoliveira | .. |
| 23:19.14 | riaal | jelly-home: the client is running OSX, trying to find out how the route command works there :) |
| 23:19.23 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$while true;do lsof | grep debian.log; done |
| 23:19.32 | aoliveira | nothing |
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| 23:19.46 | Schiz0|SD | aoliveira: your irc client probably writes logs every 5 minutes, or every 10 minutes or so. |
| 23:19.56 | aoliveira | i will remove the directory |
| 23:19.56 | Schiz0|SD | contact the konversation developers. |
| 23:20.18 | aoliveira | test |
| 23:20.19 | aoliveira | das |
| 23:20.21 | aoliveira | blabla |
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| 23:20.45 | aoliveira | konversation recreated the directory and nothing was show in the lsof |
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| 23:20.59 | julian | aoliveira: man lsof.. there's a lot in there. |
| 23:21.01 | aoliveira | pretty lame command |
| 23:21.14 | julian | it's doable with lsof i believe. |
| 23:21.42 | alfatau | hello, i would write a script to automatically start ppp dialing when connection is down. my problem is to find a good way to detect the internet connection active/not active. I tried pinging but, due to the slowness of 56k dialup modem, not always pings successfully even if the connection is alive... |
| 23:21.44 | julian | aoliveira: see the section "TYPE" |
| 23:21.47 | aoliveira | can i use fuser to only show process open in the directory |
| 23:21.50 | alfatau | ... and also to ping a server i think is not a good solution because the target server could (temporary) be down |
| 23:22.00 | alfatau | also looking at ifconfig and extracting the presence of ppp0 device configured, not seems good, because sometimes the dialup line "freezes" and seems alive while really it's not. in that case i must hangup and redial connection |
| 23:22.05 | rudenstam | Can anyone explain why my boot stalls for ~30 seconds right after "[ 10.508095] intel8x0: clocking to 48000" is printed and how to fix it if it's fixable, full dmesg at: http://pastebin.com/m64d08184 |
| 23:22.07 | alfatau | do you know any incontrovertible way to detect internet connection? |
| 23:22.14 | riaal | jelly-home: whats most interesting? |
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| 23:22.52 | flixil | alfatau: I don't get you, detect what? if you got connection, if someone connect to your pc, connections to your router...? |
| 23:23.49 | alfatau | flixil: if i'm connected (to internet) and the connection is alive |
| 23:23.58 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$fuser -mv logs/freenode_#debian.log |
| 23:24.18 | flixil | So you got the answer? |
| 23:24.24 | jelly-home | riaal: huh? |
| 23:24.48 | aoliveira | why he show all process in the partition instead only the process using the file |
| 23:25.03 | jelly-home | riaal: anyway, I'll be going to bed now; it's 00:24 over here |
| 23:25.17 | flixil | same here, g'n |
| 23:25.20 | riaal | jelly-home: then we are in the same timezone ;) |
| 23:25.35 | riaal | jelly-home: sleep well, thanks for helping |
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| 23:26.27 | jelly-home | riaal: the general idea is to see the current setup, try fixing the routes manually, and if it works, try and make pptp do that automatically. I'm not sure it's really possible though. |
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| 23:26.57 | mike1o | vlc and mplayer got f*cked up... can't read dvx's anymore... |
| 23:27.11 | ryanCH | i believe i found a bug in "ls" |
| 23:27.11 | alfatau | fixil: i thought to ping the primary dns server, but the connection is so slow sometimes ping fails... |
| 23:28.00 | ryanCH | when i do "ls --color | less" |
| 23:28.09 | ryanCH | i get a bunch of garbled output |
| 23:28.22 | rudenstam | alfatau: shouldn't it be better to ping your gateway ? |
| 23:28.23 | jelly-home | ryanCH: that's a feature of less, not a bug in ls. |
| 23:28.36 | julian | alfatau: do the following: 'while true; do lsof | grep foo; done' and then 'vim foo'. note that lsof is only interested in which application opens a file. it you want to then see the modifications, use something like tail or head. |
| 23:28.46 | amphi | ryanCH: less doesn't understand those escape sequences |
| 23:28.52 | flixil | rudenstam: but maybe the gw is there but cut off the outside world |
| 23:28.54 | ryanCH | i see |
| 23:28.59 | jelly-home | ryanCH: use proper options for less to make it pass through the color codes |
| 23:29.06 | julian | alfatau: ugh... sorry |
| 23:29.08 | rudenstam | flixil: true |
| 23:29.09 | julian | wrong nick |
| 23:29.18 | rudenstam | flixil: won't help him to redial though ? |
| 23:29.25 | julian | aoliveira: do the following: 'while true; do lsof | grep foo; done' and then in another terminal, 'vim foo'. note that lsof is only interested in which application opens a file. it you want to then see the modifications, use something like tail or head. |
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| 23:29.26 | flixil | ryanCH: try ls --color | less -R |
| 23:29.36 | jelly-home | ryanCH: namely -R |
| 23:29.40 | aoliveira | julian: i did it right now |
| 23:29.45 | aoliveira | julian: just doesnt work that way |
| 23:29.46 | ryanCH | ok |
| 23:30.00 | julian | aoliveira: that's because the file has already been opened. |
| 23:30.09 | aoliveira | julian: the while should stuck the lsof proccess |
| 23:30.27 | julian | aoliveira: well it works perfectly well here and in my scripts |
| 23:30.59 | flixil | Yesterday i configured /etc/network/interfaces to allow ifup ath0 :) But how can that be done automagically in the beginning (i mean the ifup ath0 part) in the debian way (not putting it on /etc/rc.local for instance) Thanks :) |
| 23:31.01 | aoliveira | julian: i think you shouldnt use that script haha |
| 23:31.30 | mike1o | how do I downgrade a package with aptitude? |
| 23:31.41 | julian | alfatau: script's fine. i use in my watchdog scripts often. you should see output like: vim 2243 julian 3r REG 8,6 20 2793861 /home/julian/foo |
| 23:31.48 | julian | aoliveira: script's fine. i use in my watchdog scripts often. you should see output like: vim 2243 julian 3r REG 8,6 20 2793861 /home/julian/foo |
| 23:31.53 | julian | alfatau: (apologies again) |
| 23:31.55 | cusco | flixil: having a line "auto ath0" on the interfaces file?! |
| 23:31.57 | dondelelcaro | mike1o: aptitude install foopkg=fooversion; or use the curses interface to do the same. |
| 23:32.12 | julian | aoliveira: at which point you can use awk to traverse and select the output. |
| 23:32.13 | flixil | mike1o: aptitude install -t stable name_of_package (but is seriously NOT recomended unless you know what you are doing... it's quite difficult to manage downgrades) |
| 23:32.20 | aoliveira | julian: yeah with vim it shows |
| 23:32.27 | aoliveira | julian: i did tail -f now |
| 23:32.44 | dondelelcaro | mike1o: man aptitude; and see the aptitude manual in aptitude-doc for more details |
| 23:32.55 | aoliveira | julian: he only show the tail process |
| 23:32.59 | flixil | cusco: cool :) thanks a lot |
| 23:33.02 | julian | aoliveira: whats the name of the log file you're wanting to watch? |
| 23:33.06 | aoliveira | julian: but not the write process |
| 23:33.21 | aoliveira | tail 3354 aoliveira 3r REG 3,65 3648 118120 /home/aoliveira/logs/freenode_#debian.log |
| 23:33.23 | aoliveira | tail 3354 aoliveira 3r REG 3,65 3648 118120 /home/aoliveira/logs/freenode_#debian.log |
| 23:33.32 | julian | aoliveira: tail will just show you the last lines of what's written |
| 23:33.44 | julian | s/last/last\ 10/ |
| 23:34.08 | aoliveira | julian: it shows how many times the konversation is writing in the file and lsof doesnt show nothing |
| 23:34.13 | aoliveira | about it |
| 23:34.26 | alfatau | rudenstam: my gateway is the one i want to understand if is up :P |
| 23:34.30 | Supaplex | aoliveira: maybe konversation reopens the file on demand. |
| 23:34.42 | julian | yes, it's likely it writes and closes it. |
| 23:34.46 | flixil | can it be that tail reads the memory buffer and so it's not really wrote in disk yet? |
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| 23:34.59 | aoliveira | i think it should appear |
| 23:35.03 | julian | <cough>switch to irssi</cough> |
| 23:35.06 | aoliveira | lsof doesnt work do way i thought |
| 23:35.16 | alfatau | julian :P |
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| 23:35.23 | julian | aoliveira: what does 'lsof | grep debian.log' give you? |
| 23:35.25 | flixil | alfatau: my gw got a page when it says... Internet UP... doesn't you got one to get with a perl program for instance? |
| 23:35.28 | julian | (if you haven't tried it already |
| 23:35.31 | dazjorz | Hey guys |
| 23:35.50 | Supaplex | aoliveira: use strace -e open -p <pid> find the pid with pidof or ps -C konversation etc |
| 23:35.55 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~]$while true;do lsof | grep debian; done |
| 23:35.56 | aoliveira | tail 3354 aoliveira 3r REG 3,65 5678 118120 /home/aoliveira/logs/freenode_#debian.log |
| 23:36.01 | dazjorz | I'm wondering - I am getting input from STDIN and need to compress that using gzip, but the files gzip creates may never become more than 1 GB in size |
| 23:36.19 | aoliveira | everytime the konversation write on the file the tail come up in lsof |
| 23:37.00 | julian | aoliveira: that's good no? it's typically to combine commands like this. |
| 23:37.07 | cafuego | welcomes dazjorz to a world of pain |
| 23:37.10 | julian | s/typically/typical |
| 23:37.12 | dazjorz | I have cat fifo | gzip >file.gz right now... Couldn't find anything in the manpage on gzip creating "parts" or anything |
| 23:37.12 | dazjorz | can gzip do that, or is there another way ? |
| 23:37.12 | dazjorz | something like cat fifo | gzip | unixtool foo.bar creating foo.bar{00,01,02,03,04}... ? :) |
| 23:37.13 | Supaplex | dazjorz: gzip supports end to end decompression. if you concatinate multiple gzip streams, you can gunzip all continious streams. |
| 23:37.44 | dazjorz | Supaplex: so the only remaining thing is having a tool to split the output into several files |
| 23:37.59 | Supaplex | dazjorz: like split? |
| 23:38.07 | dazjorz | ...exactly like split :P |
| 23:38.26 | alfatau | flixil: my gw can't interrogate itself to know if it's up, because i really want (on my gw) to understand if it's up or not: i've no gw to interrogate because i've to do the work on the gateway |
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| 23:39.06 | aoliveira | Supaplex: nice |
| 23:39.09 | aoliveira | [aoliveira@urza:~/logs]$strace -e open -p 2729 |
| 23:39.10 | aoliveira | Process 2729 attached - interrupt to quit |
| 23:39.12 | aoliveira | open("/home/aoliveira/logs/freenode_##linux.log", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 14 |
| 23:39.17 | dazjorz | so that will be: cat fifo | gzip | split --bytes=[1 gb to bytes] - sda1.img. |
| 23:39.17 | dazjorz | thanks! :) |
| 23:39.35 | aoliveira | Supaplex: i could do that with a file? |
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| 23:40.06 | julian | alfatau: write a script on the gateway that pings a remote reliable destination and if the destination isn't found after a designated ping timeout it invokes a fallback or notification procedure? |
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| 23:41.08 | flixil | See the trafic on the gw and if there is none for say 5 minutes say internet out... |
| 23:41.22 | flixil | It's the same internet out than non trafic, isn't it? |
| 23:41.39 | flixil | you can see as if the gw acts as a redial and not as a keep alive |
| 23:41.57 | aoliveira | Supaplex: is there some kind of strace -e open file |
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| 23:43.38 | alfatau | julian & fixil: in fact it was my first idea, to ping the primary dns server. The problem is that, probably due to the slowness or high latency of my 56k dialup connection, sometimes pings work, sometimes not... after some proofs i saw pings are not a reliable way. i'm looking for some always working and "result-deterministic" solution... :P |
| 23:43.55 | dazjorz | oh damn - ddrescue: output file is not seekable |
| 23:44.01 | dazjorz | I can't let ddrescue write to fifo? :( |
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| 23:44.31 | aoliveira | Supaplex: strace powerful |
| 23:44.37 | julian | alfatau: fair enough. ping has some pretty nifty flags though.. |
| 23:44.56 | alfatau | well, about traffic... it's an alternate way to solve, but really traffic can also be stopped without need to redial, simply becouse noone is surfing on the web... |
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| 23:45.18 | alfatau | julian: what do you mean? |
| 23:45.50 | melfar | "ip is neither permitted nor denied by domain of domain.com" -- can I setup my mail server in a way that it is permitted? |
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| 23:46.15 | aoliveira | julian: any suggestion? |
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| 23:46.20 | alfatau | julian: maybe some icmp priority? |
| 23:46.28 | julian | alfatau: you can set timeouts/deadlines/priorities.. |
| 23:46.32 | julian | yep |
| 23:47.15 | julian | aoliveira: strace it pretty powerful. there'd surely be a way to do what you want to do with strace and some tuning with options. |
| 23:47.35 | aoliveira | julian: there isnt |
| 23:47.36 | julian | aoliveira: best though to first understand how konversation writes to files. when and how. |
| 23:47.43 | julian | aoliveira: ok then |
| 23:47.46 | aoliveira | julian: it looks for pid |
| 23:47.51 | alfatau | julian: uhm... i'll look for some good solution using timeouts and priorities... hoping primary dns server don't gets down... :P |
| 23:47.57 | aoliveira | should be a ftrace |
| 23:47.59 | julian | ;) |
| 23:48.35 | julian | aoliveira: i see a 'strace -e trace=file' |
| 23:49.01 | aoliveira | ive tried it |
| 23:49.04 | aoliveira | and i got a error |
| 23:49.09 | julian | ok |
| 23:49.38 | aoliveira | it only work if you put strace -e trace=file -p pid |
| 23:50.15 | aoliveira | powerful though |
| 23:50.58 | aoliveira | hi |
| 23:52.08 | aoliveira | julian: but you see how lsof didnt work like we thought |
| 23:52.39 | aoliveira | julian: you see or you've seen which is better in this phrase? |
| 23:52.46 | julian | aoliveira: well i'm not sure what you want to do. i'd use lsof to see which process is writing to the clear text log and tail to see what's written. |
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| 23:53.12 | aoliveira | julian: i wish to use lsof but it didnt work here |
| 23:53.19 | julian | hmm. |
| 23:53.46 | aoliveira | you saw it |
| 23:53.54 | aoliveira | or youve seen it |
| 23:53.58 | aoliveira | ? |
| 23:54.47 | aoliveira | julian: which should i use in this context? |
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