| 00:00.28 | tame | hi. i followed the wiki on how to install ndiswrapper and it failed building ndiswrapper-source. any ideas? |
| 00:00.33 | tame | im on a powerpc mac |
| 00:01.05 | valdyn | tame: cant use ndiswrapper on a power pc mac |
| 00:01.16 | tame | ah geez |
| 00:01.23 | tame | how'd i guess that? |
| 00:01.42 | valdyn | tame: windows drivers cant run on powerpc? |
| 00:01.54 | tame | well, mac doesnt seem to recognize the card.. but linux does.. |
| 00:02.11 | tame | lol, im retarded.. i didnt even think about that lmao |
| 00:02.39 | _KaszpiR_ | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349 |
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| 00:03.14 | largess_ | exit |
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| 00:04.25 | taylor | Does anyone here happen to know how to find servers for playing a freshly installed copy of tremulous? |
| 00:05.18 | julian | aoliveira: you could also just 'echo $(ps a | grep someFile) | awk '{ print($1, $5) }' to get the PID and process name responsible for that open file. |
| 00:05.25 | _KaszpiR_ | taylor see xqf |
| 00:05.58 | taylor | _KaszpiR_: What is "xqf"? |
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| 00:06.32 | tame | is there a way to use the broadcom card in this macintosh? |
| 00:06.39 | _KaszpiR_ | taylor google |
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| 00:08.23 | SQlvpapir | tame try poke it with a stick |
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| 00:08.41 | amphi | tame: what is it? bcm43xx might work |
| 00:08.59 | tame | it is a bcm 43xx |
| 00:09.17 | amphi | but the bcm43xx module worketh not? |
| 00:09.28 | tame | ndiswrapper buildith not |
| 00:10.11 | amphi | not thrice-accursed ndiswrapper, bcm43xx, the native driver module |
| 00:10.39 | abrotman | use bcm43xx-fwcutter ? or b43-fwcutter depending on version of debian |
| 00:10.44 | julian | tame: why doth thou talketh with such an arcane tongue? |
| 00:10.47 | tame | oh. i doth know of what you speak. |
| 00:10.56 | tame | i shall hence query google |
| 00:10.57 | julian | tame: never be minded |
| 00:11.26 | julian | forwith, not a sparrow's fart to spare. |
| 00:11.32 | tame | lmao |
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| 00:11.49 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 00:11.49 | dpkg | somebody said bcm43xx was a driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in Linux since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43> and <b43legacy> in Linux 2.6.24 and later. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and removed from mainline in 2.6.26. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 00:12.12 | julian | tame: ;) |
| 00:12.16 | tame | ill try this after i try mac again. |
| 00:12.24 | tame | i like debian on this mac by the way.. its nice |
| 00:14.05 | taylor | _KaszpiR_: Is tremulous not smart enough to find its own servers, so users must use xqf? |
| 00:14.27 | julian | that would be odd, if not disappointing. |
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| 00:16.17 | julian | "Players, Your first challenge is to find other players on carefully hidden servers. Use The Internet to find a utility with a carefully guarded and cryptic name. Speak not of it to your enemies and be the first to enter the Arena!" |
| 00:16.43 | julian | wickedfun |
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| 00:20.15 | taylor | _KaszpiR_: OK, I got it. Thank you. |
| 00:20.33 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 00:20.52 | karmatronic | testing dnstuneel speed.... |
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| 00:23.15 | Gigantic | wonder how to setup a fax AND an answering machine in the same line... |
| 00:24.51 | JPT | it will work somehow... just try ^^ |
| 00:25.04 | JPT | for fax, hylafax might be an option to you |
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| 00:31.47 | aoliveira | does anyone know a page which explain how to apply and create patches? |
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| 00:33.31 | nullboy | aoliveira: look into patch and diff |
| 00:33.49 | aoliveira | i'm looking for a tutorial |
| 00:35.20 | nullboy | just search for tutorials on patch and diff.... |
| 00:35.31 | nullboy | it's easy |
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| 00:47.19 | Gigantic | JPT: yeah |
| 00:47.42 | Gigantic | I just wonder, how to setup both, a fax and an answering machine in the same phone line |
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| 00:48.40 | Gigantic | is impossible unless an interactive system is made so that # press one if you want to send a fax, press 2# if you want to leave a message |
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| 00:48.51 | jabis | hiya all, I'm here with yet another X related problem |
| 00:48.56 | Gigantic | and for that I would need Asterisk I think... |
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| 00:49.41 | jabis | I'm getting 100% system freeze when I try to change session |
| 00:49.56 | jabis | on lenny |
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| 00:50.13 | jabis | and kdm windowing |
| 00:50.43 | jabis | perhaps this is more kde issue |
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| 00:53.47 | doublehp | is there an NFS option that makes the server follow symlinks ? a symling goes out of the exported directory; i would like clients to go into it ... |
| 00:54.40 | jabis | what server are you talking about? |
| 00:54.47 | Gigantic | o alguien tiene otra sugerencia? |
| 00:54.51 | Gigantic | oops |
| 00:55.07 | Gigantic | Imean: or does anyone else have another suggestion |
| 00:55.37 | Gigantic | doublehp: that is not possible |
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| 00:55.52 | doublehp | jabis: the NFS server :) so that clients see the content, instead of a symling ... like samba does |
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| 00:55.55 | julian | Gigantic: es posible #debian-es es mejor? |
| 00:56.04 | Gigantic | for security you cna't get out of the NFS |
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| 00:56.26 | Gigantic | julian: nah I'm fine, i just used spanish by mistake |
| 00:56.31 | enouf | alfatau: i don't know what else to tell you - ensure the Drive boot order is correct in the BIOS, maybe reinstall grub to the HDD using what "/msg dpkg rescue mode" tells you .. install into MBR |
| 00:56.41 | foo | Hm, how can I run wireshark off another system? Before I'd do X forwarding .. but I think I need X on the system that I'm doing the fowarding from? |
| 00:56.41 | Gigantic | was talking with a friend in Span :p |
| 00:56.42 | julian | Gigantic: ;) |
| 00:56.44 | melfar | How can I change environment for startup scripts? I thought /etc/profile was the place for that, but it doesn't seem to be loading |
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| 00:57.28 | julian | melfar: for scripts invoked after X, see ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc |
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| 00:57.42 | melfar | julian, I don't run X |
| 00:57.58 | julian | melfar: then see /etc/init.d/ and use update-rc.d |
| 00:58.18 | enouf | alfatau: oh, hrm, you understand now why i said do not remove the # from all the entries in the Automagic Area? Pastebin output of menu.lst .. also, only other thought is /etc/kernel-img.conf settings |
| 00:59.07 | julian | melfar: 'update-rc.d someScript.sh defaults' |
| 00:59.12 | julian | por ejemplo |
| 00:59.15 | julian | for example |
| 00:59.47 | melfar | julian, I need to set environment before any of the scripts run |
| 00:59.55 | enouf | maybe /etc/inittab even .. but hrm, for startup scripts? use rc.local |
| 01:00.05 | doublehp | in a bash script does an ENV var, or variable tell where the script is stored ? |
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| 01:00.06 | enouf | oh |
| 01:00.06 | julian | yeah, better.. |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | melfar: /etc/environment perhaps? or set it in the script ? |
| 01:00.36 | Gigantic | julian: sometimes I start talking to people in the wrong language, I get saps quite often :) luckly my gf speak as many as I do |
| 01:00.44 | enouf | aye - i either forget one or the other .. /environment or /profile |
| 01:00.50 | melfar | I'll check environment. How can I check if that works without a reboot -- will init 3 suffice? |
| 01:00.53 | julian | i'd just do it in the script with an 'export SOMEVAR=blah' before running getting to main |
| 01:01.47 | enouf | Gigantic: you actually talk with/to your gf? sheesh .. get busy already and shaddup :-P |
| 01:01.50 | julian | but abrotman's probably right. /etc/environment would be a more proper approach |
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| 01:02.09 | julian | Gigantic: (my gf's Spanish also) |
| 01:02.24 | pablo | hi, anyone knows of any software like wireshark but to see usb traffic? |
| 01:02.29 | enouf | melfar: nay - /etc/inittab is what's 1st loaded through init system |
| 01:02.43 | julian | Gigantic: or perhaps you're just speaks Spanish. anyway i'm getting OT ;) |
| 01:02.50 | enouf | melfar: and rcS,d is run only once per bootup |
| 01:02.56 | julian | s/you\'re/yours/ |
| 01:03.05 | Gigantic | enouf: haha |
| 01:03.50 | enouf | telinit 1 or S doesn't rerun the scripts - maybe you can do some sysrq magic and kill everything without rebooting .. oh, telinit does have an option to reread inittab |
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| 01:04.15 | julian | enouf: didn't know that. cool/. |
| 01:05.05 | Gigantic | julian: nah, she just love to talk :P the language could not be a barrierso she learnt even deaf's lang... OT... |
| 01:05.13 | julian | hmm. telinit -q|-Q |
| 01:05.27 | enouf | even thought when you do 'runlevel' and see 'S 2' after say telinit 1, then telinit 2, it's a misnomer |
| 01:05.28 | karsten | pablo: Wha tsort of USB traffic? |
| 01:05.35 | Gigantic | !hug me |
| 01:05.35 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around gigantic |
| 01:05.43 | karsten | pablo: I'd think you could snoop the raw device as root. |
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| 01:05.51 | enouf | er, misnomer that rcS.d was your last runlevel .. |
| 01:06.08 | julian | Gigantic: sounds like she as an overactive language center.. ;) |
| 01:06.19 | pablo | karsten: bytes sent to the printer |
| 01:06.40 | abrotman | !info snooper lenny |
| 01:06.42 | pablo | karsten: what do i need to do in order to snoop it? |
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| 01:07.19 | dpkg | snooper: (Captures communication between two external serial devices), section comm, is optional. Version: 19991202-4.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 01:07.38 | karsten | pablo: cat the device file maybe? |
| 01:08.07 | julian | abrotman: snooper is super. cheers. |
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| 01:08.33 | karsten | Merry XMas or preferred alternat, all. |
| 01:08.37 | karsten | s/nat/nate/ |
| 01:09.08 | pablo | abrotman: snooper will work with usb? |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | like .. usb serial ? |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | i'd guess |
| 01:09.31 | schiz0 | hello |
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| 01:22.42 | NuMaStresa | I have a 64 bit processor should I use debian on 32 or 64 ? |
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| 01:25.26 | abrotman | NuMaStresa: that's up to you .. either will work |
| 01:25.55 | NuMaStresa | can 32 run without problems on a 64 os ? |
| 01:26.00 | NuMaStresa | 32 applications |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | not without problem |
| 01:26.50 | azurite | NuMaStresa: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
| 01:26.56 | NuMaStresa | thanks for the tips guys |
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| 01:27.01 | enouf | NuMaStresa: true multiarch support is not here yet, but you can run things in a chroot, or using various pluginwrappers |
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| 01:28.48 | NuMaStresa | is there any distribution that supports 64 ? |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | debian |
| 01:28.58 | NuMaStresa | I'm not talking about fedora, debian etc. |
| 01:29.03 | enouf | NuMaStresa: you're not asking correctly |
| 01:29.12 | NuMaStresa | I guess they all support 64 , I'm talking in general |
| 01:29.20 | NuMaStresa | yes enouf I guess you're right |
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| 01:29.28 | enouf | NuMaStresa: nobody know wtf you're talking about |
| 01:29.52 | NuMaStresa | is there any specific distribution aimed only for 64 ? |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | ask ##linux .. this is #debian |
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| 01:30.17 | NuMaStresa | thanks for the tips |
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| 01:33.01 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 01:35.10 | MariachiAC | Hello. this may be a weird question. However, i have a friend that wodl ike ot convert his box from Fedora to Debian. He only has access through ssh. Is there a way he can convert the box like this? |
| 01:35.37 | superlinux | i have my kernel 2.6.27.8 and i have a quickcam that should use the gspca module. the module does not build on kernel 2.6.27.8 . can any one tell me where i can find the patch for gspca? |
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| 01:36.35 | superlinux | MariachiAC, if .. |
| 01:37.09 | superlinux | if i understood the question right. i think that MAYBE possible |
| 01:37.33 | MariachiAC | superlinux... Yes to convert a fedora box to debian through ssh |
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| 01:38.07 | superlinux | but i think he has to remove fedora's pakages after installing APT |
| 01:38.25 | abrotman | !tell MariachiAC about debootstrap |
| 01:38.25 | superlinux | you know apt-get things |
| 01:38.28 | MariachiAC | superlinux and how did you get kernel 2.6.27 in debian? Did you jsut compile it? or is it available in debian experimental. |
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| 01:38.41 | superlinux | i compiled it |
| 01:38.45 | abrotman | superlinux: then ask ##kernel |
| 01:39.07 | superlinux | i used the same config |
| 01:39.09 | dimedo | is there some nice way to limit a java applications upstream bandwidth? |
| 01:39.21 | MariachiAC | superlinux. oh ok. So |
| 01:39.23 | superlinux | i used the same kernel config of debian |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | superlinux: ask ##kernel or use a debian packaged kernel |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | dimedo: maybe trickle ? |
| 01:39.52 | superlinux | abrotman, it's mainly a gspca driver thing. |
| 01:40.12 | superlinux | it's the one that has to be patched |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | superlinux: then ask them .. the gspca-source in debian works against a debian kernel .. go ask them |
| 01:40.27 | superlinux | ok thanks |
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| 01:41.18 | superlinux | abrotman, i adore you when it comes to problem soving. you're awsome! |
| 01:41.20 | superlinux | :) |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | so go ask the correct channel, thanks |
| 01:42.20 | superlinux | abrotman, i am in ##kernel |
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| 01:43.17 | jabis | I smell irony on the air |
| 01:43.34 | superlinux | jabis, which is? |
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| 01:44.17 | jabis | ^^ I'm holding my mouth shut until my attorney arrives, lol |
| 01:44.28 | superlinux | LOL |
| 01:44.34 | superlinux | lovely |
| 01:45.25 | superlinux | looks for a gang to hold the attorney from coming. |
| 01:45.35 | superlinux | gets a call... |
| 01:46.00 | superlinux | berileng! beriling! |
| 01:46.16 | jabis | -.- |
| 01:46.40 | jabis | you can't break me :P |
| 01:47.14 | superlinux | opens the phone: "Yes! We found him sir!", the mob says, " anything else?!" |
| 01:47.52 | superlinux | jabis, nice story isn't? |
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| 01:48.30 | jabis | yeah, suddenly made me want to see godfather all over again, lol |
| 01:48.37 | superlinux | LOL |
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| 01:48.48 | superlinux | want me to elaborate more? |
| 01:48.55 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:49.11 | superlinux | abrotman, ok |
| 01:49.52 | IchigoMorino | Where can I get Gnome 2.24 .debs? It looks like even Sid only has 2.22: http://tinyurl.com/gnomedebs |
| 01:50.04 | abrotman | not in debian currently |
| 01:52.34 | IchigoMorino | abrotman: Are new packages still being put into Lenny? Or are they just preparing for the stable release now (testing and such)? |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | lenny is frozen |
| 01:52.50 | IchigoMorino | Okay, thanks. |
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| 02:14.11 | dimedo | abrotman, thanks a lot, works perfectly |
| 02:14.17 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 02:27.12 | heroxbd | Hello guys. I want to maintain my text file in different languages and keep them up to date. What tool(s) would you suggest for that purpose? |
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| 03:17.07 | kingsley2 | How many RC bugs are left? |
| 03:18.20 | [aaron] | 427 |
| 03:18.43 | Jos | ;o |
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| 03:19.06 | [aaron] | what is an RC bug? |
| 03:19.16 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 03:19.17 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
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| 03:19.27 | kingsley2 | release critical |
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| 03:19.43 | [aaron] | waiting on lenny? |
| 03:20.06 | Jos | wow |
| 03:20.10 | Jos | that's a lot |
| 03:20.20 | kingsley2 | 1282 |
| 03:20.38 | Jos | minus the ones that are fixed |
| 03:20.40 | stew | Number concerning the next release: 125 |
| 03:20.48 | [aaron] | if the 3 of us each fix one, there will only be 1279 remaining. |
| 03:21.03 | Jos | if everyone here fixe one |
| 03:21.08 | Jos | and you fix the rest |
| 03:21.13 | Jos | It 'll all be done! |
| 03:21.21 | Tekno | lol |
| 03:21.28 | [aaron] | wheres the list of bugs? |
| 03:21.45 | stew | [aaron]: bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 03:22.33 | [aaron] | like anyone can find that. |
| 03:23.20 | abrotman | i just showed you .. |
| 03:23.26 | stoned | !rc bugs |
| 03:23.26 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 03:23.30 | [aaron] | yeah. but |
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| 03:23.32 | [aaron] | oh eat me. |
| 03:23.32 | stoned | its like.. right fucking there. |
| 03:23.33 | [aaron] | haha |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | it was the last link in that .. that i just used a minute ago |
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| 03:23.48 | abrotman | but luckily stoned missed that, and wanted to show you again |
| 03:23.53 | [aaron] | well, a minute ago i was having a milkshake |
| 03:23.55 | stoned | I just woke up! |
| 03:24.08 | stoned | and that was a page ago |
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| 03:36.01 | gartt | I'm trying to get some Realtec drivers working for my wireless card. For a driver configuration file, it asks that I: define the GCC and LD of the target machine How could I find these out? |
| 03:36.40 | gartt | CC := $(CROSS_COMPILE)gcc and LD := $(CROSS_COMPILE)ld are the current lines in the file to be changed |
| 03:37.43 | [aaron] | it would be easier for me to just send you a working wireless card :) |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | gartt: does the machine not have a wired connection? (and which wifi card) |
| 03:38.17 | abrotman | [aaron]: or not comment at all .. |
| 03:38.26 | [aaron] | i'm just playin |
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| 03:42.02 | gartt | abrotman: It does have a wired connection, but wireless will be the only option later on. It's a belkin F5D8013 PCMCIA wireless card that uses that rt2860 driver |
| 03:42.19 | abrotman | !rt2860 |
| 03:42.19 | dpkg | Vendor drivers for the Ralink 802.11n chipsets (RT2860/RT2890 and RT2870) are available from http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html 'rt2860-source' is available for Debian <EeePC>, use "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2860" to build and install. |
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| 03:42.24 | abrotman | hey .. that was easy |
| 03:42.37 | liable | rt2860-source is in sid |
| 03:43.04 | gartt | Wow, I didn't realize that there was an actual package for the RT2860 driver... that's great |
| 03:43.26 | gartt | abrotman: Thanks |
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| 03:43.33 | liable | its a pretty crap driver though |
| 03:43.40 | gartt | liable: You've tried it? |
| 03:43.49 | liable | gartt: i packaged it :P |
| 03:44.52 | gartt | liable: It's for my grandparent's computer- it used to have XP, but it was junk, so I threw linux on (all they need is basically firefox). And I'm stuck with the card that was on it, so I'll take what I can get I guess |
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| 03:45.37 | liable | gartt: use network-manager or wicd for configuring it. it has lots of quirks if you use the basic tools |
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| 03:46.47 | gartt | Alrighty |
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| 03:51.34 | gartt | liable: Is there any rt2860 driver package available for Ubuntu? |
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| 03:52.44 | liable | gartt: no idea. |
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| 03:56.04 | Elive_user39 | Okay, Debian, since you now joined the Jihad your official new afghan ibinladen taliban name is: |
| 03:56.04 | Elive_user39 | GöKHIM GAY GULALA |
| 03:56.04 | Elive_user39 | http://taliban.6.43.gs/?Debian |
| 03:56.04 | Elive_user39 | Do not bring shame over your name! |
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| 03:58.06 | Gigantic | can somebody tell me wth is /usr/sbin/sfcbd |
| 03:58.20 | Gigantic | and why is it listening to the network |
| 04:00.00 | newsense | Gigantic, dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sfcbd |
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| 04:01.27 | Gigantic | yeah |
| 04:02.01 | Gigantic | It say "Open Source Small-Footprint CIM Broker" which means to me as much as to say that elephants eat peanuts |
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| 04:02.29 | newsense | look into it |
| 04:02.30 | Gigantic | and it drain too much cpu sometimes |
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| 04:02.51 | newsense | kill it or remove it if that suites you better |
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| 04:04.57 | Gigantic | yeah, well I don't want to break the system, first of it say to be a system manager |
| 04:05.16 | newsense | who installed it and from where ? |
| 04:05.33 | newsense | not part of any debian package i dont think |
| 04:05.52 | Gigantic | only I use this computer and don;t remember to have installed it |
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| 04:06.28 | Gigantic | yeah I can't find any info in Google apart of some random mentions in CEntOS and Ubuntu |
| 04:06.41 | newsense | its your call not much anyone here can help with until you decide what youd like to do about it |
| 04:06.41 | Gigantic | but it has a man to http://sblim.wiki.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:06.47 | Bangers | With iostat I can see something take 90% of disk utilisation, how can I find out which process is causing it? Is it possible to tell iostat to tell me the iostat FOR a specified pid? |
| 04:07.09 | Gigantic | newsense: that's why I am asking what it is >.> |
| 04:07.44 | Gigantic | but if noone else have it I guess it will be safe to remove it then |
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| 04:08.38 | mordy | hmmm... i can't even find iostat on this system |
| 04:08.46 | mordy | is dstat the same thing? |
| 04:09.35 | babuun | you can get it using apt-get, package name is sysstat |
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| 04:09.51 | mordy | dstat looks cool though |
| 04:10.37 | mordy | all nice shiny colors and stuff |
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| 04:24.52 | ryanCH | how do convert my file system from ext2 to ext3? |
| 04:25.19 | stew | ryanCH: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
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| 04:26.22 | ryanCH | thanks :) |
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| 04:27.25 | enn | Why does 'id' run as foo give me a different group list than 'id foo'? |
| 04:27.37 | mordy | is it something i did to my system, or does the kernel now require different arguments for framebuffers |
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| 04:28.53 | enn | and why might the groups I get with id seem to be effective (in terms of permissions) where those I see in id foo are not? |
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| 04:29.17 | mordy | i.e. "vga=791" gives me an invalid mode, i need to use a different code - not a problem for me really, just wanted to know if this was specific to me for some reason (i'm using a stock kernel, was recenty upgraded) |
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| 04:31.34 | stew | enn: is the difference between the two only groups that were added since foo logged in? |
| 04:31.53 | stew | mordy: you can try: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 04:31.53 | snvciebuuggff | xdcc list |
| 04:32.12 | enn | stew: yes, if you mean logged in from a TTY -- I've tried opening new urxvt sessions, though. |
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| 04:33.27 | enn | stew: hmm ... works with a fresh ty login. There's no way to get the changes in effect in a urxvt session without restarting X? |
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| 04:34.50 | k-man | anyone know of an online backup service that I could use rsync and/or ssh to transfer files to? |
| 04:36.01 | enn | SSHing with X tunneling to localhost to get new group membership can't possibly be the right way to do this, but it seems to work. |
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| 04:47.26 | jabis | hiya ppl |
| 04:47.31 | jabis | any1 up at this hour? |
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| 04:47.56 | SnoFox | What package is the kernel-source files in? |
| 04:48.28 | jabis | I've a q, how do I disable the (x?)screensaver which fires up on user change? |
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| 04:49.08 | newsense | SnoFox, got src lines in yor /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 04:49.35 | SnoFox | switches screens and `cat`s. |
| 04:50.02 | SnoFox | Yes, newsense. |
| 04:50.17 | newsense | aptitude search linux |grep source |
| 04:50.25 | jabis | I get a full system freeze when I try to change user on fly, because kde/xorg or whatever fires the screensaver which doesn't cope with my drivers, so I'd like to rid the screensaver instead of reverting to no 3d radeon setup |
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| 04:50.52 | newsense | jabis, look in kontrol panel |
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| 04:51.16 | SnoFox | Thankies, newsense. |
| 04:51.32 | newsense | SnoFox, no problem |
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| 04:52.19 | jabis | newsense, that's the trouble, none of the users have screensavers on, but changing the user fires a default one for everyone when vt7 is put on lock and another vt is opened |
| 04:52.52 | Gigantic | Is there someway to find out what the MAC address of a remote's host interface, other than the one used to connect? |
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| 04:52.58 | jabis | so I'm looking for a global Exec string for the session's change |
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| 04:53.31 | newsense | jabis, try #kde |
| 04:53.41 | newsense | probobly have better luck there |
| 04:53.46 | jabis | but since I'm new to gui tweaking in debian I really can't find a place where they should be |
| 04:54.03 | newsense | jabis, im no gui expert myself |
| 04:54.18 | newsense | sorry im a tty kinda guy |
| 04:54.37 | newsense | i got kde and im looking for such a setting |
| 04:54.38 | jabis | me too, but this time, I'm working on my work computer, which needs graphics x) |
| 04:54.44 | newsense | what kde version you use ? |
| 04:55.01 | jabis | the one which shipped with lenny-cd |
| 04:55.12 | jabis | 3.5, dunno revision |
| 04:55.26 | jabis | can't seem to find a kde_version anywhere, lol |
| 04:55.53 | gartt | How many of the debian installation CDs are needed? I'd like to burn as little as possible and have debian fetch/install as much as possible |
| 04:55.58 | newsense | did you check control panle>service manager>startup services ? |
| 04:56.08 | jesselang | gartt: Only the first. |
| 04:56.23 | mordy | gartt - and you can even use netinstall cd if you really just want the bare essentials |
| 04:56.35 | jabis | gartt, there are netinsts and tiny tiny images which fit on an usb stick or similar also :) |
| 04:56.35 | newsense | !tell gartt about net install |
| 04:56.52 | newsense | !tell gartt about netinst |
| 04:57.26 | gartt | And I saw the stable links on the Debian site, but I didn't see any sid stuff- sid is the unstable version, right? (I want sid b/c it supports my new wifi card) |
| 04:57.41 | newsense | sid has same kerenel as lenny |
| 04:57.45 | jabis | newsense, cant seem to find such thing |
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| 04:58.00 | newsense | jabis kontrol panel ? |
| 04:58.54 | mordy | actually control panel is one of the kde stuff that doesn't start with a K |
| 04:58.59 | newsense | jabis, alt+f2 run kcontrol |
| 04:59.06 | mordy | or does it? |
| 04:59.09 | mordy | oh |
| 04:59.19 | newsense | i dunno |
| 04:59.39 | gartt | So if I download stable release debian-40r5-i386-CD-1.iso, I can use netinst to install sid? |
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| 05:00.28 | SnoFox | Oh, come on. |
| 05:00.36 | newsense | gartt, like i said sid uses same kernel as lenny so it should support your card as well than upgrade from there |
| 05:00.39 | jabis | there's like system menu, settings, then another system, and utilities and settings in the root of kde-menu, this is really unintuitive to hunt down a single control panel,, guess my first change will be to gnome x) |
| 05:00.49 | newsense | jabis, alt+f2 run kcontrol |
| 05:00.55 | liable | gartt: you can in expert mode |
| 05:01.04 | jabis | KDE version: 3.5.10 |
| 05:01.17 | gartt | newsense: Sorry, I'm brand, brand new to Debian. Lenny is the alias for Debian stable? |
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| 05:01.56 | jesselang | gartt: Lenny is testing. |
| 05:02.06 | jesselang | I believe. |
| 05:02.12 | gartt | Ah |
| 05:02.16 | superjet_ | http://lwn.net/Articles/312596/ |
| 05:02.24 | newsense | or tun it from an xterm or such |
| 05:02.25 | newsense | s/tun/run |
| 05:02.36 | newsense | yes lenny=testing soon to be stable |
| 05:02.40 | jesselang | How many bots are on the channel? |
| 05:02.57 | jabis | newsense, yeah there is a setting for screen saver, which is blank screen, but anyways when I try to switch user, it fires some sort of star trekky blue screensaver where stars fly passed me |
| 05:04.42 | jabis | the funny thing is, that I can lock up my session and then recover from it just normally, or I can log out my user and start another session using vt7 but when changin user, I get the stars and when even trying to log with the previous user I get the sys freeze |
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| 05:05.09 | newsense | jabis, did you ever ask in #kde ? |
| 05:05.19 | Gm4n | is there anything wrong with using the xen kernel if I'm not doing virtualization? |
| 05:05.52 | SnoFox | Okay, Nvidia driver. I've installed linux-source, and the driver requests that I install the Linux source code still. Did I install the wrong thing? |
| 05:05.59 | jabis | yep, and everybody seems clueless, as my xorg confs are all set up properly, now I'm just hunting smart ppl who know where debian stores the screen savers etc and know how to disable it |
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| 05:06.57 | SnoFox | Wait, I think I might have this. |
| 05:07.05 | SnoFox | I doubt I'd get much help here anyway. :P |
| 05:08.32 | SnoFox | Okay, what's the `export` parameter that makes programs use gcc 4.1? |
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| 05:09.19 | craigevil | SnoFox: if you want a simple way to install nvidia drivers take a look at http://smxi.org/ |
| 05:09.46 | jabis | CC=/usr/bin/gcc4.1 and export CC |
| 05:10.02 | SnoFox | Thank you, jabis, craigevil. |
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| 05:19.49 | SnoFox | smxi.org didn't help me much. |
| 05:19.57 | SnoFox | Then again, it's hard to look around a website in Lynx. |
| 05:20.22 | HttpErrors | heh, i used to telnet everywhere. that was fun. |
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| 05:20.57 | WormBe_ | If i put some text files but without any extension on a directory and then access them with a browser, then instead of showing them, it opens a download window: how can I change that in lighttpd? |
| 05:21.47 | kunwon1 | WormBe_, might try in #lighttpd |
| 05:21.49 | craigevil | SnoFox: Give it a try like this (as root): cd /usr/local/bin; wget techpatterns.com/smxi.zip;unzip smxi.zip; smxi |
| 05:22.04 | craigevil | then log out and do ctrl+alt+F1 and run smxi as root |
| 05:22.27 | craigevil | it will install the necessary kernel stuff and the driver |
| 05:22.32 | SnoFox | What's smxi exactly, anyway? I installed the driver without smxi before. |
| 05:22.34 | WormBe_ | kunwon1: already did :/ no one is answering |
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| 05:23.44 | craigevil | smxi is a neat script one of the kanotix>sidux devs came up with to make things easier, antix/mepis/sidux all use it |
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| 05:30.59 | dav_ | hi all. the debian boot CD does not recognize my harddisk and dvd drive. sysrescuecd recognize it fine. I have the ISO on the harddisk and mounted in sysrescuecd. Is there anyway I can run the installer (blue screen) from there? |
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| 05:31.57 | SnoFox | Okay... smxi's installed, and I've been messing with it. It's... not helping atm. |
| 05:32.13 | ryanCH | what encryption does linux come with? |
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| 05:34.47 | dav_ | in other words: is there anyway to run the installer without "booting" on the debian CD? |
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| 05:35.01 | Gigantic | ryanCH: what electrons is the atome made by? |
| 05:35.40 | HttpErrors | Gigantic: all of them, Protons, electrons and neutrons. |
| 05:35.53 | ryanCH | ehe |
| 05:36.16 | Gigantic | HttpErrors: ... |
| 05:36.23 | jabis | dav_, what do you mean by "does not recognize"? |
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| 05:37.01 | dav_ | jabis: the "blue screen" that looks for the CDROM doesn't find it. I also don't find it in /dev/hdX and /dev/sdX. And it's not in dmesg. |
| 05:37.30 | dav_ | jabis: I tried modprobing all I could. Doesn't work either. Brand new PC. sysrescuecd recognizes it all.. |
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| 05:38.02 | craigevil | dav_: which debian release? if your not trying lenny you should |
| 05:38.35 | jabis | yeah my next q wouldda been what craig said |
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| 05:38.49 | dav_ | craigevil: 4.0r5? |
| 05:39.00 | craigevil | thats etch |
| 05:39.02 | jabis | so its etch then |
| 05:39.13 | dav_ | crap |
| 05:39.16 | dav_ | brb |
| 05:39.30 | jabis | your drives are sata, scsi or ide? |
| 05:40.14 | jabis | craig, I think lenny has better hardware detection than etch has |
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| 05:40.35 | SnoFox | Eh, I don't like the smxi thing, but it's working. |
| 05:40.41 | dav_ | jabis: sata |
| 05:40.43 | craigevil | which is why i said to use lenny |
| 05:40.52 | J-_ | Does Lenny ship with Gnome 2.24? |
| 05:41.02 | craigevil | no |
| 05:41.06 | dav_ | jabis / craigevil: will try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:41.09 | SnoFox | O.o |
| 05:41.13 | SnoFox | It's downloading sid files. |
| 05:41.18 | J-_ | hmm |
| 05:41.47 | J-_ | Does unstable run Gnome 2.24, then? |
| 05:41.59 | dav_ | jabis / craigevil: will lenny be fine with a root in an LVM (will it let me install initramfs) |
| 05:42.18 | jabis | no problems here with LVM |
| 05:42.20 | J-_ | What Gnome version does Lenny ship with? |
| 05:42.34 | craigevil | J-_: apt-cache search |
| 05:42.41 | dav_ | jabis: for your root partition right? |
| 05:42.52 | jabis | yep |
| 05:43.01 | J-_ | craigevil: I'm in Ubuntu. |
| 05:43.17 | craigevil | lenny and sid have 2.22, sid has some 2.24 packages |
| 05:43.45 | J-_ | Thanks. :) |
| 05:43.52 | dav_ | jabis / craigevil - burning CD now. thx for the advice. |
| 05:43.54 | jabis | dav, did you receive any bitching whatsoever when you installed? |
| 05:44.14 | dav_ | jabis: other that it couldn't find the CDROM? not really.. |
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| 05:44.48 | jabis | about the hd, what fs is it currently running, or is it just blank one? |
| 05:45.19 | dav_ | jabis: i used sysrescuecd to resize the ntfs that shipped with the PC. then i setup some linux partitions and LVM. |
| 05:45.46 | ryanCH | ok, i have the text mode console at boot, but when start X and try to go back to the text mode console, my monitors won't get a signal when i switch back, why is this?... |
| 05:46.37 | dav_ | cd |
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| 05:47.55 | jabis | ryanCH, could be many things, xorg setup, display drivers etc |
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| 05:49.33 | J-_ | downloads the Lenny net install disc. :) |
| 05:49.43 | SnoFox | Smxi made it worse. -.- |
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| 05:58.38 | J-_ | What Gnome version is in Etch? |
| 05:59.36 | fender | www.debian.org -> package |
| 06:00.12 | fender | search gnome |
| 06:01.43 | stoned | seriously |
| 06:01.49 | stoned | packages.debian.org |
| 06:01.59 | stoned | apt-cache show gnome |
| 06:02.11 | stoned | apt-cache policy gnome (or gnome-core) |
| 06:02.20 | stoned | I mean seriously do people even bother to look for themselves |
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| 06:02.46 | stoned | seriously some of these people need shock therapy |
| 06:02.55 | stoned | completely ridiculous. |
| 06:03.29 | fender | when will release the next stable |
| 06:03.38 | amphi | !wwlr |
| 06:03.38 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
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| 06:05.05 | craigevil | stoned: hes running ubuntu(shudder) |
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| 06:05.58 | amphi | burn the witch! |
| 06:06.00 | stoned | fender, 5 years from now. |
| 06:06.03 | stoned | amphi, stfu. |
| 06:06.10 | stoned | I'm very irritated |
| 06:06.14 | stoned | and I know you |
| 06:06.21 | stoned | so I can curse you out |
| 06:06.23 | amphi | !pal stoned |
| 06:06.24 | dpkg | points at stoned and laughs hysterically |
| 06:06.31 | fender | ? |
| 06:06.32 | stoned | amphi, stfu you pice of donkey shit! |
| 06:06.36 | fender | I know me |
| 06:06.38 | stoned | amphi, I will rip of fyoru arms and legs! |
| 06:06.43 | amphi | stoned: isn't it past your bedtime? |
| 06:06.45 | stoned | and I will feed yo to my birds! |
| 06:06.48 | stoned | amphi, :( |
| 06:06.53 | dav_ | jabis / craigevil - worked beautifully. it's installed and I'm now ssh-ed into (so I can use my monitor with my current box). thanks much for the advice. |
| 06:06.59 | stoned | amphi, hi buddy. just irritated. |
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| 06:07.09 | stoned | amphi, yeh, its 1am |
| 06:07.15 | jabis | dav, no prob, glad you got it working :) |
| 06:07.29 | stoned | fender, seriously... 5 years from now. |
| 06:07.47 | amphi | stoned: or as a subtitle had it, "I will rip out your entrails and leave them in the dessert for the aunts to eat" ;) |
| 06:07.53 | fender | Me, waht? |
| 06:08.01 | stoned | fender, FIVE YEARS! |
| 06:08.07 | stoned | fender, now go away. |
| 06:08.23 | jabis | fender, you asked about the release date |
| 06:08.38 | craigevil | stoned: out of weed? |
| 06:08.39 | fender | yes |
| 06:08.41 | jabis | stoned, a rly bad day you're experiencing there |
| 06:08.54 | stoned | fender, (in all realness, its pretty much being finished up right now, there are some political issues going on that may delay the release of lenny, but for the most part its stable and useable) |
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| 06:09.05 | amphi | jabis: s/experiencing/sharing ;) |
| 06:09.13 | stoned | fender, sorry I was just ab ig irritated i didn' tmean to be a dick to you |
| 06:09.17 | stoned | fender, I apologize. |
| 06:09.36 | fender | haha nothing |
| 06:09.39 | stoned | craigevil, no |
| 06:09.49 | stoned | craigevil, there are a million programming languages out there |
| 06:09.55 | stoned | craigevil, I can't decide which one to go with |
| 06:10.04 | stoned | craigevil, can't decide which one to use or pick |
| 06:10.14 | stoned | craigevil, I'm literally losing my fucking mind. |
| 06:10.30 | stoned | craigevil, my goal is to develop some GUI cross platform apps that work on linux/mac/unix/windows/my asshole |
| 06:10.33 | stoned | everywhere |
| 06:10.35 | craigevil | try python or perl both are relatively easy to start with |
| 06:10.42 | stoned | its not a matter of ease |
| 06:10.53 | stoned | all you need is api docs and language ref. |
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| 06:11.06 | stoned | the point is what should I use |
| 06:11.26 | d-b | stoned: try c++ and the mozilla cairo |
| 06:11.33 | d-b | libs |
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| 06:11.35 | dav_ | stoned: haskell : |
| 06:11.36 | stoned | 1) fuck c++ |
| 06:11.40 | stoned | 2) fuck mozilla |
| 06:11.43 | stoned | 3) fuck cairo. |
| 06:11.47 | stoned | next. |
| 06:11.51 | d-b | http://cairographics.org/download/ |
| 06:12.00 | amphi | stoned: wxwidgets? |
| 06:12.05 | dav_ | stoned: haskell! |
| 06:12.06 | stoned | nah |
| 06:12.09 | d-b | amphi: doesn't run on windows |
| 06:12.15 | d-b | does it ? |
| 06:12.16 | stoned | dav_, I was considering haskell .NET |
| 06:12.19 | amphi | d-b: wtf? |
| 06:12.29 | stoned | wxwidgets runs on windows |
| 06:12.31 | d-b | really? |
| 06:12.33 | stoned | yes |
| 06:12.39 | dav_ | stoned: .NET?! might was well use f# |
| 06:12.44 | d-b | cool didn't know |
| 06:12.47 | stoned | ok |
| 06:12.50 | stoned | 4) fuck microsoft |
| 06:12.56 | stoned | next? |
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| 06:13.17 | amphi | stoned: tcl/tk ;) |
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| 06:13.31 | stoned | amphi, do you want me to kick your ass |
| 06:13.33 | stoned | ? |
| 06:13.39 | stoned | cuz I mean, I'd be happy to |
| 06:13.40 | stoned | you konw |
| 06:13.51 | stoned | if you want me to (keep saying shit like that) |
| 06:13.59 | craigevil | go download the Android sdk :) |
| 06:14.18 | stoned | amphi, I'm leaning towards Java |
| 06:14.24 | stoned | I keep leaning towards Java |
| 06:14.30 | stoned | I dunno why |
| 06:14.32 | amphi | stoned: you sound like it ;) |
| 06:14.47 | stoned | amphi, you are irish? |
| 06:14.48 | J-_ | Lenny finished installing. :D |
| 06:14.58 | stoned | amphi, right |
| 06:15.01 | amphi | stoned: partly |
| 06:15.08 | stoned | amphi, you live in ireland? |
| 06:15.15 | amphi | stoned: mongrel ;) |
| 06:15.28 | amphi | stoned: not ATM |
| 06:15.46 | stoned | did you just call me a mongrel? |
| 06:15.56 | stoned | you really want an ass whuppin don't ya |
| 06:15.57 | stoned | ? |
| 06:16.00 | stoned | ;) |
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| 06:16.03 | J-_ | s/installing/downloading/ |
| 06:16.04 | amphi | stoned: no, I meant I am |
| 06:16.08 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:16.19 | stoned | amphi, I'm just kiddin, you know I love you! |
| 06:16.23 | stoned | amphi, will you marry me? |
| 06:16.40 | jesselang | The real need is for a cross-platform GUI toolkit that uses native widgets on it's respective platform. Oh, and the project can't have it's head up it's ass. Hard to come by, really. |
| 06:16.44 | amphi | perhaps nearer the time |
| 06:16.54 | stoned | amphi, no but seriously, I considered gtk#, nah. I considered c#.NET, nah. nothing ms, i don want .NEt |
| 06:16.57 | stoned | I think I'll go with Java |
| 06:17.17 | amphi | stoned: what's wrong with wxwidgets? |
| 06:17.22 | stoned | its bullshit? |
| 06:17.29 | stoned | ugly piece of shit |
| 06:17.33 | stoned | I mean c'mon |
| 06:17.43 | stoned | its garbage |
| 06:17.46 | stoned | its nothing serious |
| 06:17.49 | stoned | its like using php-gtk |
| 06:17.57 | stoned | its ok to play with but you can't make anything serious with it |
| 06:17.58 | stoned | c'mon |
| 06:18.06 | jesselang | There's an attempt for such a library, but the project has all but stalled into oblivion. |
| 06:18.09 | J-_ | c'mon! |
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| 06:18.52 | J-_ | remembers playing with Tkinter a while ago. |
| 06:18.55 | jesselang | I followed the project for a while, because I wanted to make an Ada binding for it. |
| 06:19.04 | amphi | stoned: why not? I'm not familiar with it, but as far as I can see it just abstracts gui widget stuff |
| 06:19.15 | stoned | man I'm going with Java |
| 06:19.24 | jesselang | Java sucks. |
| 06:19.27 | stoned | you suck |
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| 06:19.56 | jesselang | You must be having a really bad day. |
| 06:20.03 | J-_ | haha |
| 06:20.26 | jabis | Java != awesomeness |
| 06:20.30 | J-_ | Don't pity the foo! |
| 06:20.34 | timur | why does openoffice.org have an explicit dependence on gcj? anyone? can it not be satisfied with sun-java-jre? |
| 06:20.36 | jabis | but a fairly good choice still |
| 06:20.53 | jesselang | You're going to be fed up with Java, and be back here bitchin' to us all over again. |
| 06:21.00 | jesselang | 6 weeks time. |
| 06:21.06 | stoned | really? |
| 06:21.08 | stoned | man |
| 06:21.09 | stoned | fuck. |
| 06:21.12 | stoned | what to do then? |
| 06:21.16 | amphi | stoned: why do you want x-platform anyway? |
| 06:21.20 | timur | i don't know. i've come to question java a lot now... i feel like it's either python or C++ for me now :) |
| 06:21.27 | stoned | amphi, because I do |
| 06:21.32 | stoned | I want my shit to work everywhere |
| 06:21.42 | stoned | c++? |
| 06:21.43 | timur | write it in python :) |
| 06:21.46 | stoned | why not C#? |
| 06:21.53 | jesselang | Too bad more folks don't care for Ada. It's a great language. |
| 06:21.55 | timur | because i don't want managed code? |
| 06:21.56 | J-_ | wants to program. But, it's that learning aspect of things. :( |
| 06:21.57 | amphi | why c#? |
| 06:22.03 | timur | and no vm overhead? |
| 06:22.04 | stew | timur: openoffice.org has a dependency on sun-java5-jre |
| 06:22.25 | stoned | stew, I have not lookd but what is triton made from? c++? |
| 06:22.43 | J-_ | !info triton |
| 06:22.47 | timur | stew, ok, i must've missed it. grr and it still insists on installing gcj. i'll figure it out. i was mostly frustrated for the time being :) |
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| 06:23.09 | stew | judd: depends openoffice.org-base |
| 06:23.09 | judd | stew: openoffice.org-base -- Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmdbtools, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libstlport4.6c2, gij | java-gcj-compat | j2re1.4 | java2-runtime, libhsqldb-java (>= 1.8.0.7-1etch1), openoffice.org-java-common |
| 06:23.17 | stoned | J-_, its not packaged, its a little miniature window manager stew is working on |
| 06:23.28 | J-_ | Cool. |
| 06:23.36 | stew | ahh, for etch it depends on gij | java-gcj-compat | j2re1.4 | java2-runtime ; sun-java5-jre would Provide: java2-runtime |
| 06:23.43 | stoned | stew, what you making triton in? |
| 06:23.50 | J-_ | Does the bot work similarly to ubottu from #ubuntu? |
| 06:23.54 | stoned | J-_, no |
| 06:23.56 | J-_ | k |
| 06:23.59 | stoned | ubotu sucks |
| 06:24.02 | stoned | dpkg is awesome |
| 06:24.03 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, stoned |
| 06:24.03 | J-_ | :) |
| 06:24.09 | stew | judd: depends openoffice.org-base --release lenny |
| 06:24.10 | judd | stew: openoffice.org-base -- Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:2.4.1-14), openoffice.org-base-core (= 1:2.4.1-14), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libstlport4.6ldbl, java-gcj-compat | openjdk-6-jre | sun-java5-jre | sun-java6-jre, libhsqldb-java (>= 1.8.0.9-1), openoffice.org-java-common (>> 2.2.0-4) |
| 06:24.25 | timur | hmm interesting |
| 06:24.26 | stew | yeah, in lenny it explicitly mentions sun and openjdk |
| 06:24.49 | d-b | ah sun ? |
| 06:24.57 | J-_ | burns lenny netinstall CD |
| 06:25.04 | d-b | its not the sun sun java tho -> its the free one. |
| 06:25.15 | timur | judd: depends openoffice.org-base --release testing |
| 06:25.15 | judd | timur: openoffice.org-base -- Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:2.4.1-14), openoffice.org-base-core (= 1:2.4.1-14), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libstlport4.6ldbl, java-gcj-compat | openjdk-6-jre | sun-java5-jre | sun-java6-jre, libhsqldb-java (>= 1.8.0.9-1), openoffice.org-java-common (>> 2.2.0-4) |
| 06:25.24 | d-b | woops no that's non-free damn. |
| 06:25.25 | stew | (testing is lenny) |
| 06:25.30 | stoned | stew, ... |
| 06:25.33 | timur | (just figured it out) :) |
| 06:25.39 | stew | d-b: openjdk6 is the free one |
| 06:25.48 | stoned | stew, I asked you a question. |
| 06:26.02 | d-b | yeah. -> i guess its ok to use the non-free if it is installed. ->i missed what that was for. |
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| 06:27.10 | stoned | fine, don't answer me. Then you ask me why I think you're a dick. |
| 06:27.10 | stew | stoned: triton? |
| 06:27.20 | stoned | stew, yes. |
| 06:27.28 | stew | stoned: i think you mean 'apt-cache depends tritium' |
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| 06:27.39 | stew | stoned: take a 10 minute break |
| 06:28.06 | J-_ | Is Sid really unstable? I suppose it depends on the hardware it runs on. But, would Sid be good in a production environment? I suppose these are stupid questions because Etch is so stable who wouldn't use it in production? |
| 06:28.25 | timur | hrm, i wonder why it wants to install gcj, even though sun-java5-jre is installed |
| 06:28.37 | hoxu | J-_, no, unstable is not good for a production environment |
| 06:29.02 | J-_ | hoxu: I just came to terms with that conclusion myself. :) |
| 06:31.15 | J-_ | haha |
| 06:31.28 | hoxu | J-_, and yes, it really is unstable, and can eat your babies & gingerbread at this time of year. If I Recall Right, it has had a broken libstdc++ at least once, and some package had a removal script that basically did rm -rf / |
| 06:31.53 | J-_ | :| |
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| 06:32.22 | timur | i remember one of the broken libstdc++... that was a fun day |
| 06:32.27 | J-_ | I stick with trying out Lenny first, then. |
| 06:32.45 | timur | i think i stopped toying with unstable after that :) |
| 06:33.00 | J-_ | Well, I tried Etch first. It seemed *too* stable. I want to tinker with stuff. So I think Lenny will be a good choice. |
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| 06:33.25 | teratoma | weirdo |
| 06:33.28 | timur | yea, don't use stable, since you'll soon find you actually want things that were released in the past year |
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| 06:34.43 | J-_ | Plus, I had Etch in a VM. It ran great too. But, I'm going for Lenny directly on the HDD this time. |
| 06:36.19 | timur | judd: depends libjaxp1.3-java --release testing |
| 06:36.19 | judd | timur: libjaxp1.3-java -- Depends: gij | java-gcj-compat | java1-runtime | java2-runtime |
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| 06:37.16 | timur | grr, ok, now I'm confused. I have sun-java5-jre installed, which should provide java2-runtime, but trying to install libjaxp1.3-java insists on installing gcj |
| 06:37.25 | timur | why? |
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| 06:38.08 | stoned | are there any open source java alternatives? |
| 06:38.17 | timur | gcj |
| 06:38.37 | stoned | why do they call it gcj |
| 06:38.46 | stoned | its so hard to say/pronounce |
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| 06:39.00 | stoned | two 'g' sounds with a 'c in the middle |
| 06:39.02 | stoned | thats horrible |
| 06:39.06 | timur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gcj |
| 06:39.10 | timur | gnu compiler for java |
| 06:39.26 | stoned | it would have been easeir for people to say if they named it GJC or JGC |
| 06:39.33 | stoned | get the two g sounds together |
| 06:39.58 | stoned | god people irritted me with thier stupidity. |
| 06:40.11 | timur | nice choice of words :) |
| 06:40.13 | stoned | timur, and you can run frostwire for example |
| 06:40.19 | stoned | without having sun java6? |
| 06:40.28 | jesselang | stoned: You're irritating me with your spelling. ;) |
| 06:40.53 | stoned | jesselang, :) My spelling is fine, its my keyboard, it sometimes missed keys. Its 8 years old btw, this keyboard |
| 06:41.03 | J-_ | fears frostwire. |
| 06:41.05 | stoned | but I can't get rid of it, I love it, I wouldn't want another keyboard EVER! |
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| 06:41.14 | jesselang | Time to upgrade. |
| 06:41.20 | TowerNet | who here would like to get paid to teach me autoconf/automake? |
| 06:41.23 | stoned | I'm trying to actually find a keyboard with an LCD that works in debian properly |
| 06:41.25 | jesselang | It can't be that nice. |
| 06:41.29 | stoned | with the entire LCD display |
| 06:41.40 | stoned | TowerNet, ##linux |
| 06:42.13 | TowerNet | thanks stoned |
| 06:42.16 | stoned | jesselang, its amazing. half the keys are erased letters, keys have gotten hard and stuck but its very fluent fo rmy fingers |
| 06:42.21 | enouf | stoned: actually, gcj is quite easy to say, as a typical man's initials/name might CJ (short for christopher james or whatever) .. kind of like BillyJoJimBob :-P |
| 06:42.31 | J-_ | How well do GM965 chipsets work in Lenny? |
| 06:42.46 | enouf | s/might be |
| 06:42.50 | stoned | jesselang, I play guitar, and for all day long if I don' tuse this keyboard with slightly harder to use keys, I can't keep my fingers in shape |
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| 06:43.04 | stoned | jesselang, so even when I'm not playing guitar and just working on the debina project all day |
| 06:43.13 | stoned | jesselang, it keeps my fingers worked out excercised and actie |
| 06:43.35 | stoned | if i had a really soft no effort keyboard, I'd be there warming up for like half hour before I could even play guitar |
| 06:43.40 | J-_ | stoned: How long have you been playing guitar? |
| 06:43.43 | stoned | jesselang, so this keyboard, I really can't throw away, I depend on it |
| 06:43.50 | stoned | J-_, #music |
| 06:43.54 | stoned | J-_, or #debian-chat |
| 06:44.01 | stoned | im there |
| 06:44.09 | J-_ | nods |
| 06:44.19 | stoned | J-_, come to #music |
| 06:44.22 | stoned | pleae |
| 06:44.24 | jesselang | I play too. |
| 06:44.30 | stoned | jesselang, you should also come to #music then |
| 06:44.36 | J-_ | stoned: Will do. |
| 06:45.08 | jesselang | I use the Dvorak keyboard layout. |
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| 06:46.32 | timur | so, uh, the libjaxp1.3-java question, anyone? |
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| 06:51.34 | timur | i guess not. well, good night y'all. i'll fight with it later |
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| 06:53.49 | jabis | now that a lot of witty people are up, could you pls point me to X session's spot, where different window managers do their tricks, like session change changes VT and fires the (x?)screensaver? |
| 06:54.44 | dondelelcaro | jabis: the VT is changed when the server starts. you can start screensavers or whatever you want from ~/.xsession |
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| 06:55.48 | jabis | dondelelcaro, yeah, but I'm looking more the global aspect, since I'm getting a freeze and a screensaver on every user changing, and none of the users have the screensaver set to the screensaver that pops up on changing user |
| 06:56.50 | jabis | so it's gotta be in some of the startup scripts, which I can't seem to find |
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| 07:02.10 | dondelelcaro | jabis: what do you mean by "user changing"? |
| 07:02.31 | jabis | (K|G|X)DM switching user |
| 07:03.00 | enouf | jabis: maybe /usr/share/xsession/* ? |
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| 07:03.32 | enouf | jabis: though, i admit, i don't completely understand your issue ... yet |
| 07:03.32 | jabis | I can log out completely and then re-login, but if I try to just change the user, I get a freeze after the xscreensaver fires and I try to log in using any of the vt's |
| 07:04.02 | jabis | enouf, thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 07:05.09 | jabis | I want to disable the screensaver from the non-running user, because when it instantiates, it passes some crappy params to the vid drivers and then I get a total system lockup, without any input interaction and have to do a hard reset |
| 07:06.22 | jabis | I thought the screensavers were the one set up in the window manager, but every user has only "blank screen" set up as the saver, but still I get the "star trekky" blue stars passing my screen |
| 07:06.40 | enouf | jabis: hrm .. it's /xsessions and there's not much in there here .. but someone yesterday said they found relevant files they needed in there, as opposed to say /etc/kde3/kdm* as it pertained to Login screen setup = also gdm has gdm-setup, IINM, and, have you run dpkg-reconfigure {x,g,k}dm in a awhile? |
| 07:06.44 | jabis | and after I see the screensaver started, any logon attempt freezes the system |
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| 07:07.21 | jabis | yeah, just reconfigured to use gdm instead kdm and problem still persists |
| 07:07.31 | enouf | also - hrm, i know mplayer has an option to disable screensavers :-P (not that it matters for your situtation) |
| 07:08.16 | enouf | jabis: possible other dirs, /etc/default/* and /etc/X11/* .. that's all i know |
| 07:08.28 | enouf | jabis: i never use a screensaver |
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| 07:09.00 | jabis | thanks, I'll see what I can backtrace - I never use them also, but this one I can see starting automatically when user is changed, not logged out |
| 07:09.19 | enouf | jabis: is it possible that the user would need to enter a Passwd dialog that's supposed to popup and that's what's hanging? if using KDE, see kcontrol |
| 07:09.24 | jabis | and from the Xorg.log I can see the warnings from the driver also |
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| 07:09.46 | enouf | odd shit man - i don't know where to go from here .. just guesses |
| 07:10.21 | enouf | jabis: otherwsie, with gnome, perhaps gconftool2, or gconf-editor ? |
| 07:10.30 | jabis | yeah I've been asking around, and googling and stuff, there's like ppl blaming xorg, kde, ati, debian, but no one solution |
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| 07:11.09 | hoxu | jabis, what desktop environment, gnome / kde? |
| 07:11.09 | enouf | jabis: oh, last thing - update-alternatives --config x-{TAB}{TAB} :-0 |
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| 07:11.35 | jabis | hoxu, I've both, but KDM started this whole thing on this particular set up |
| 07:11.41 | enouf | jabis: what's cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager say? |
| 07:12.05 | jabis | gdm |
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| 07:12.30 | enouf | ok |
| 07:12.44 | enouf | jabis: using Lenny? or Etch? |
| 07:12.50 | jabis | Lenny |
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| 07:13.15 | lightcap | so I'm trying to install mysql 5.1 from experimental on etch... since there's no backports I can see... I'm using apt-get build-dep and I keep being told that "Build-dependencies for mysql-server-5.1 could not be satisfied". How do I know which deps are missing? |
| 07:13.30 | enouf | anything relevant in /var/log/Xorg.0.log as it pertains to screensavers? (i don't know) |
| 07:14.17 | enouf | lightcap: might have to backport another pkg that mysql 5.1 depends on first? |
| 07:14.47 | enouf | lightcap: oh, see pdo, it can tell you depends - if apt-cache depends doesn't |
| 07:14.56 | lightcap | enouf: that's what I figure... but is there any way to tell without manually looking thru the deps? |
| 07:15.13 | jabis | enouf, there were some stuff considering AIGLX, which I then disabled, but problem pertains |
| 07:15.16 | lightcap | enouf: pdo? |
| 07:15.26 | enouf | not that i know of lightcap - packages.debian.org |
| 07:15.30 | lightcap | ah :-) |
| 07:15.38 | hoxu | what command does kde run when locking the screen? |
| 07:15.39 | enouf | the info is also in the source files, IIRC, |
| 07:15.39 | lightcap | that's what I"ve been looking at...but holy tedious |
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| 07:16.09 | enouf | jabis: using a Binary Blob? nvidia? fglrx? |
| 07:16.21 | SnoFox | Who's experianced with installing Nvidia cards? |
| 07:16.22 | enouf | harpal: likely some kcmshell thingy |
| 07:16.30 | jabis | fglrx (radeon hd 4670) |
| 07:16.33 | enouf | erm hoxu i meant, not harpal |
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| 07:16.53 | harpal | enouf: Heheh :D |
| 07:16.53 | enouf | jabis: this is kde3.x? |
| 07:16.59 | enouf | harpal: :-P |
| 07:17.11 | jabis | enouf, yes, the 3.5.10 |
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| 07:17.27 | SnoFox | What's the source package Nvidia's wanting me to install for their graphics driver? |
| 07:17.31 | jabis | the one which came along the image (I forgot I liked gnome) |
| 07:17.57 | enouf | jabis: gah .. fglrx? ..ugh :-P |
| 07:18.09 | enouf | !tell SnoFox about nvidia |
| 07:18.14 | jabis | enouf, they were the only drivers I got working |
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| 07:18.29 | jabis | which has 3d support |
| 07:18.31 | enouf | oh .. heh, hd4670? |
| 07:18.38 | jabis | yep |
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| 07:19.05 | jabis | 8.12 catalyst which barely supports RV730 waiting for an update |
| 07:19.46 | jabis | shouldda gotten 4870 whilst I was at it, lol |
| 07:19.52 | enouf | jabis: i think youll need some specific -kde help to trace what's running, i know about kdcop but that doesn't really do/show much .. maybe if you know QT/c++ well it does .. but |
| 07:19.57 | lightcap | ugh, looks like libc6 needs to be 2.7 and I've only got 2.6.1 |
| 07:20.16 | enouf | lightcap: 2.7 is indeed the Lenny libc6 |
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| 07:20.40 | lightcap | any significant risk in backporting it? |
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| 07:21.45 | timecist | hey, how do i make my terminal translucent? |
| 07:21.52 | jabis | enouf, same kind but not the same issue, probs are on ubuntu, but they're exactly opposite, you can't logout/lock/shutdown, but you CAN start a new session, so I'm having the reversed problem, lol |
| 07:22.01 | enouf | lightcap: heh, you're pulling from exper, and you ask about risk? :-P |
| 07:22.08 | lightcap | lol |
| 07:22.33 | lightcap | well, I mean besides the obvious... i usually really hate screwing with libc |
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| 07:24.22 | lightcap | wonder if there's a better way to go about this... the trouble is that a client has compiled mysql 5.1 from source and dpkg knows nothing about it... |
| 07:24.39 | lightcap | so anytime I try to install something that has a dependency on mysql it tries to install 5.0 |
| 07:25.01 | craigevil | compile it again and use checkinstall to build a deb |
| 07:25.03 | lightcap | there's a way to fake the package I think, but I can't remember it... and I usually try to use backports where possible... |
| 07:26.38 | SnoFox | enouf: When did you have the bot PM me about the Nvidia driver? Lol. |
| 07:26.42 | SnoFox | This is why I dislike irssi. |
| 07:27.15 | enouf | hoxu: and jabis FWIW Start the screen saver and locker\n dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock\n kdesktop_lock |
| 07:27.29 | enouf | http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxKDE.html |
| 07:27.38 | lightcap | craigevil: haven't done that before... how will dpkg know that the deb I build satisfies the mysql dependencies? |
| 07:27.57 | enouf | SnoFox: some minutes ago - just after you asked |
| 07:28.09 | SnoFox | Hmmkay. |
| 07:28.19 | SnoFox | I'm just wondering how many PMs I missed because of Irssi. |
| 07:28.22 | SnoFox | !ask nvidia-installer |
| 07:28.26 | enouf | SnoFox: enable timestamps :-P |
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| 07:28.41 | SnoFox | Timestamps are enabled. I just don't know how to scroll up. |
| 07:28.45 | SnoFox | Or use the bot, for that matter. |
| 07:29.00 | SnoFox | ./msg dpkg, right? |
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| 07:29.24 | enouf | lightcap: fake pkg would be /msg dpkg equivs |
| 07:29.34 | lightcap | enouf: |
| 07:29.37 | lightcap | thanks |
| 07:29.46 | enouf | !tell SnoFox about msgthebot |
| 07:30.28 | enouf | SnoFox: try shift+pageup/down |
| 07:31.55 | SnoFox | Okay. I still don't like irssi. :P |
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| 07:34.54 | jabis | enouf, the irony is that I never want to start the screensaver :D |
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| 07:35.32 | rue_house | whats the accepted explorer equiv now ? |
| 07:35.56 | rue_house | it used to be hmm, midnight commander, but that seems to have gone poof |
| 07:36.06 | enouf | sends alanis morrissette over to sing to jabis |
| 07:36.40 | lightcap | wtf apt-get can't find checkinstall? |
| 07:36.47 | enouf | rue_house: nautilus in gnome? dolphin? konq in kde? |
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| 07:36.54 | enouf | !checkinstall |
| 07:36.54 | dpkg | methinks checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because of bug #281823 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 07:36.57 | rue_house | nautilus it is |
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| 07:37.14 | craigevil | pcmanfm, mc, krusader |
| 07:37.19 | craigevil | take your pick |
| 07:37.39 | rue_house | nautilus is already the newest version. hmm, whats the name of that script I have starting things up when X starts again? |
| 07:38.06 | rue_house | arf, it got rid of my background image, the nerve |
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| 07:38.51 | jabis | ok trying some tinkers, see you (hopefully) in a bit |
| 07:38.54 | craigevil | nautilus tends to take over the desktop as does pcmanfm |
| 07:39.35 | rue_house | heh, maybe I shouldn't have it running as root... |
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| 07:41.49 | lightcap | hmm checkinstall isn't in etch? |
| 07:42.20 | rue_house | zippo:/files/doc# apt-file search checkinstall |
| 07:42.20 | rue_house | zippo:/files/doc# |
| 07:42.24 | rue_house | I'm running stable |
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| 07:45.30 | craigevil | lightcap: Not in etch because of bug #281823 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 |
| 07:45.37 | lightcap | yeah, saw that |
| 07:45.40 | lightcap | ugh |
| 07:45.53 | lightcap | so I guess equivs is the best way then |
| 07:46.09 | lightcap | really wish this client didn't need mysql 5.1 |
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| 07:47.56 | rue_house | hmm nautilus has quite the attitude |
| 07:48.03 | rue_house | no create folder on left click/ |
| 07:48.04 | rue_house | ? |
| 07:48.08 | rue_house | no DELETE |
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| 07:48.57 | rue_house | seems to have absorbed my midnight commander settings though |
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| 07:50.18 | enouf | lenny release notes |
| 07:50.23 | enouf | crap |
| 07:51.56 | lightcap | ooh, maybe dotdeb will work... |
| 07:52.16 | SnoFox | Is there anywhere else I can get support on Nvidia drivers? #Nvidia is as absent as /dev/null |
| 07:52.22 | RichiH | enouf: release notes for lenny? |
| 07:52.24 | RichiH | why? |
| 07:52.29 | RichiH | it will not release, anyway |
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| 07:53.16 | stoned | what will not release? |
| 07:53.44 | stoned | you mean lenny won't release? what are you guys talking about? |
| 07:54.02 | stoned | whats going on? |
| 07:55.04 | RichiH | stoned: it was a joke |
| 07:56.21 | Gigantic | wth do I put in dns_slaves ? |
| 07:56.31 | Gigantic | my "root" servers? |
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| 07:58.07 | stoned | oh |
| 07:58.11 | stoned | dang |
| 07:58.17 | enouf | RichiH: it was meant for me to do in PM to dpkg |
| 07:58.22 | enouf | !lenny release notes |
| 07:58.22 | dpkg | Draft release notes at http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/ (latest draft; updated daily). See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>. Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687). |
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| 07:59.51 | rue_house | hmm |
| 08:00.12 | rue_house | I think I can manage directory dtructures better in bash than I can in nautilus |
| 08:00.39 | enouf | yerp - gooeys are not for file management :-P |
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| 08:01.13 | SnoFox | Hey, enouf. For anyone else who comes in with the same question, tell them: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 08:01.14 | SnoFox | -.-' |
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| 08:01.44 | Gigantic | !dns_slaves |
| 08:01.48 | enouf | SnoFox: no need - the factoid (and it's links) have all the relevant info |
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| 08:02.04 | jabis | still no user switching |
| 08:02.09 | enouf | besides - the m-a commands will pull in the -headers you weenie |
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| 08:02.47 | rue_house | ok and whats with all this opening things in new windows |
| 08:02.59 | rue_house | and why isn't there a readily available location bar, grrrr |
| 08:03.13 | jabis | it's happening with gnome also, so now I'm thinking Xorg agian |
| 08:03.17 | jabis | *again |
| 08:03.21 | enouf | rue_house: try gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org or something |
| 08:03.22 | rue_house | I'm gonna break out some C on this thing and fork it at this rate |
| 08:03.29 | jabis | man this is weird |
| 08:03.49 | rue_house | but thanks :) |
| 08:03.56 | enouf | jabis: how about reverting to vesa or radeonhd for testing if it's fglrx related? |
| 08:04.53 | enouf | rue_house: for browsing dirs in gooey, i use links -g ... fast as all hell .. but you can't do "management" with it |
| 08:05.24 | enouf | rue_house: gah, i mean links2 -g (links has no -g - no GUI mode) |
| 08:05.34 | jabis | vesa brings me the ridiculous 1920x1200 where ctrl+alt+numplus, I'm the guise who spent 4 days with the drivers and Xorg conf to get radeon to play nice |
| 08:05.37 | rue_house | yea the whole reason i wanted gui was to quickly navigate and add, move dirs |
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| 08:05.59 | enouf | run explorer.exe in wine :-P |
| 08:06.04 | enouf | hides |
| 08:06.14 | craigevil | rue_house: take a look at pcmanfm |
| 08:06.23 | rue_house | enouf, I'm a pretty console oriented guy, I dont see why these aren't as fast as ls |
| 08:06.37 | jabis | the thing is the screensaver firing, which ultimately crashes the drivers, I've figured |
| 08:07.48 | jabis | If I can rid the screensaver, it wont try to fiddle with the drivers, and it'll play nice, like when locking the system, or just waiting around for the blank screensaver set up in the desktop configuration |
| 08:08.31 | craigevil | have you tried removing the screensaver packages |
| 08:10.15 | enouf | jabis: maybe give users ability in kcontrol to enable powersaving / setting options - this is how i allow my monitor to go into Standby/Suspend/Sleep rather than any screensaveer crap - oh and BlankScreen is still drawing mucho power AIUI |
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| 08:10.44 | enouf | jabis: also - Option "DPMS" in xorg.conf? |
| 08:11.00 | jabis | I can't even find the screensaver what is starting when switching user, since all users are set up to use blank black screen, and before x starts another login screen, I can see VT7 entering the blue "star trekky" stars passing by my screen, which already fails to render (stuttering for some sec and half) before another session is up, and I can see the new login screen, but if I try to login with any user, including the one already in, it fr |
| 08:11.00 | jabis | (and I can hear the system shutting down drive access) |
| 08:11.43 | rue_house | Need to get 11.4MB of archives. |
| 08:11.43 | rue_house | After unpacking 365kB of additional disk space will be used. <- say wha? is the compression set to negitive on the package? |
| 08:11.47 | jabis | DPMS is auto |
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| 08:12.21 | enouf | jabis: black blank screen is a screensaver, iinm |
| 08:12.34 | rue_house | hah looks like a fork of nautilus, but its fast and descent |
| 08:12.35 | rue_house | cool |
| 08:13.03 | stoned | black is blank? |
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| 08:13.11 | stoned | I thought blank was like not black |
| 08:13.13 | stoned | but blank |
| 08:13.38 | enouf | it's a nice shade of gray :-p |
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| 08:15.06 | jabis | enouf, yes |
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| 08:15.44 | jabis | blank screen -> select background-color ->black = black blank screen |
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| 08:41.34 | sidh | hello everybody |
| 08:41.41 | mbc | Hi :) |
| 08:42.06 | sidh | i need to get the latest version of kover |
| 08:42.13 | sidh | which correct a bug in window resize (full screen mode) |
| 08:42.20 | sidh | i'm running debian lenny |
| 08:42.29 | sidh | and i can't connect to http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/kover |
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| 08:43.33 | sidh | where can i retrieve this elsewhere |
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| 08:43.45 | mz | i can connect, but very slowly |
| 08:44.07 | superjet_busy | sidh: from mirror site by hand |
| 08:45.09 | jabis | hmm, client is bouncing |
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| 08:46.40 | jabis | buggy this ksirc is |
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| 08:46.55 | jabis | I miss my screened irssi x) |
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| 08:47.11 | mbc | ;-) |
| 08:48.48 | sidh | mz: i succed at end |
| 08:48.58 | sidh | succeed |
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| 08:54.00 | Gigantic | luls |
| 08:54.20 | Gigantic | ok I've got my dns working but it fail to resolve only Google |
| 08:54.36 | Gigantic | why? |
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| 08:57.07 | fireba11 | cache? |
| 08:58.00 | Supaplex | karma ;) |
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| 08:58.31 | sdef | hello |
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| 08:58.53 | Gigantic | idts |
| 08:59.00 | Gigantic | but might be Karma :P |
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| 08:59.08 | Supaplex | :P |
| 08:59.15 | sdef | does anyone know how to deactivate the -non-executable stack feature ? |
| 08:59.43 | Supaplex | mm selinux? kernel arg? |
| 08:59.55 | sdef | i cannot find anything in the documentation |
| 09:00.17 | sdef | what do you mean with kernel-arg ? sysctl ? |
| 09:00.49 | sdef | i just want to disable it for a second to test something |
| 09:01.22 | Supaplex | maybe sysctl. I was thinking /proc/cmdline (eg, on boot) |
| 09:01.27 | Supaplex | I don't know really... |
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| 09:03.16 | sdef | Supaplex: SeLinux is ot installed btw |
| 09:03.23 | sdef | Supaplex: SeLinux is not installed btw |
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| 09:15.48 | enouf | sdef: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/arch/x86/Kconfig.debug#L124 ? |
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| 09:18.26 | enouf | sdef: ahh .. boot option on 64bit http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt#L136 |
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| 09:22.00 | jelly-home | um... normal linux kernel doesn't even have "non-executable stack feature", now does it? |
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| 09:23.03 | alfatau | hello, is there a scriptable way to test if a device is connected and working on ttyS1? i've a serial 56k modem and i should detect if it's turned on or off. thank you |
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| 09:26.10 | k-man | recently i upgraded initramfs, and now when i boot, it fails to find my root volume group and initranfs says "failed to find vg, waiting for fs" |
| 09:26.10 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to set up a "black list" with removable devices that should not be mounted automatically? I have installed Debian to a USB Flash Device, and the /boot partition shows up as a removable device on my desktop. |
| 09:26.21 | jelly-home | alfatau: I guess you could set the device up with stty and see if anything answers to an "AT\r\n" echoed into it, but I know not the details |
| 09:26.30 | k-man | however i can boot the rescue cd and find and mount the vg and root partition |
| 09:26.34 | enouf | alfatau: look into wvdial, minicom, mgetty, gtkterm |
| 09:26.51 | jelly-home | "scriptable" |
| 09:27.11 | enouf | alfatau: grep dmesg for ttyS1 port/settings, as well as /proc/ioports |
| 09:27.33 | enouf | i guess cmdline utils use no bash/sh |
| 09:28.11 | enouf | Jemt: through udev rules likely |
| 09:28.40 | Jemt | enouf: Okay, that sounds interesting. I will look into that. Thank you >( |
| 09:28.44 | Jemt | :( even |
| 09:28.54 | enouf | k-man: upgraded how? |
| 09:28.55 | Jemt | Argh! Ment to use a happy smiley |
| 09:28.57 | Jemt | :) |
| 09:29.03 | enouf | s'ok ;-) |
| 09:29.08 | enouf | !udev rules |
| 09:29.08 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 09:29.21 | Jemt | Super, something to start with. Thanks :) |
| 09:29.42 | k-man | enouf, well, i think it was an aptitude install initramfs or something like that - but im not sure, it was more than a week ago. haven't rebooted since then |
| 09:29.48 | alfatau | enouf: ok, i'll take a look. thanks :) |
| 09:30.15 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.28 | enouf | Jemt: more http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9311 |
| 09:30.34 | helpme | hello |
| 09:30.43 | helpme | how do i enable those extra repos? |
| 09:31.02 | enouf | k-man: er ... which debian kernel is that? or isn't it? |
| 09:31.20 | jabis | !tell helpme sources.list |
| 09:31.36 | helpme | it didnt work :s |
| 09:31.38 | enouf | !dbugs 491114 |
| 09:31.39 | k-man | enouf, its debian, its 2.6.21-2-amd64 |
| 09:31.42 | dpkg | DONE:#491114:C[dmsetup] dmsetup: udev rules breaks normal devices permissions (i.e /dev/null) (); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:42:01 UTC [491107] |
| 09:31.48 | helpme | !tell helpme sources.list |
| 09:31.55 | Jemt | enouf, great, that looks like a good introduction, and the article seems to touch elements related to my issue :) |
| 09:31.56 | k-man | is there some way to tell initramfs to include some other things? |
| 09:31.58 | helpme | [04:31:38] <dpkg> No, helpme, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 09:32.26 | enouf | follow/look at the merged bug as well k-man ... erm, might want to upgrade that kernel ;-) |
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| 09:32.39 | Spaz | hello |
| 09:32.41 | helpme | jabis: help please :) |
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| 09:32.43 | superlinux | hi |
| 09:32.46 | jabis | helpme, just drop the line sources.list to dpkg |
| 09:32.52 | Spaz | is anyone here familiar with using debian in qemu-system-ppc(64)? |
| 09:32.58 | enouf | k-man: sure, add to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (et al) |
| 09:32.58 | superlinux | what is the meaning or the effect of "Set Intel Xeon L3 cache DMI info size to be 400"? |
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| 09:33.03 | helpme | jabis: how? |
| 09:33.07 | Spaz | i can't get the install disc to boot |
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| 09:33.13 | enouf | k-man: then man update-initramfs |
| 09:33.14 | Spaz | http://arch.kimag.es/share/62634773.png <-- locks up there |
| 09:33.18 | Spaz | no idea how to fix |
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| 09:33.26 | jabis | you got the message from the bot /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 09:33.36 | Spaz | i think it's an OF problem but me idiot with non-x86 or non-sparc |
| 09:33.59 | enouf | Spaz: maybe #debian-qemu ? exists? |
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| 09:34.15 | enouf | or #debianppc even |
| 09:34.21 | Spaz | hm ok |
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| 09:35.01 | enouf | superlinux: see dmidecode, and lshal | grep smbios |
| 09:35.16 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:35.40 | enouf | superlinux: dmi == desktop management interface, smbios stuffs |
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| 09:35.54 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:35.55 | format_c | # |
| 09:36.19 | tdn | I am trying to get an HP LaserJet P1005 to work. I add the printer via CUPS admin. The printer seems to be added just fine. When I try to print a test page, it shows in the print queue, but nothing happens on the printer. After a while, the print job disappears from the print queue, but I get no error or anything. How do I debug this? |
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| 09:37.08 | helpme | jabis: the bot didnt work |
| 09:37.17 | helpme | jabis: can you try again please |
| 09:37.37 | enouf | tdn: same issue here (but with some lexmark crapola inkjet - usb) - everything seems to work fine, even tells me Test page printed successfully .. but nothing happens :-P |
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| 09:38.17 | tdn | enouf, hmm... Ok. So, how what do you do? |
| 09:38.24 | jabis | tdn, enouf, same issue here with canon LBP5000 ^^ |
| 09:39.00 | enouf | tdn: i let it sit there .. mocking me :-p |
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| 09:39.29 | enouf | tdn: one day, i'll go learn what i need to do at linuxprinting.org ? |
| 09:39.33 | jabis | I compiled generic drivers for earlier canons, then added a customised ccpd script and manually forked some CUPS settings |
| 09:39.51 | superlinux | enouf, i have a server board HP/Compaq proliant ML150 G1 |
| 09:40.02 | superlinux | and it's an old box. |
| 09:40.04 | tdn | enouf, I tried doing what linuxprinting.org says, but that does not work. |
| 09:40.24 | enouf | superlinux: L3cache is not old :-P |
| 09:40.41 | enouf | tdn: aye.. sorry, no idea |
| 09:40.44 | k-man | enouf, it seems as though i have versions of dmsetup which are after when those bugs were reproted and the fixes are in the version i have |
| 09:40.56 | enouf | k-man: great |
| 09:41.25 | k-man | enouf, so that doesn't really solve the problem unfortunately |
| 09:41.25 | jabis | now every 3/10 prints work, but I've to manually invoke keep the capt status ui for the specified printer every time, and wait for the printer to calibrate and stuff |
| 09:41.58 | enouf | k-man: the pkg linux-image-version is a deb of a kernel +system.map + an initrd gets built and installed upon configuration |
| 09:42.49 | superlinux | enouf, do you mind if i pasted the information for you on private? or you prefer a pastebin? |
| 09:42.57 | enouf | k-man: so no idea what you think aptitude install initramfs does ... |
| 09:43.18 | enouf | superlinux: what? why? and why me? |
| 09:43.54 | superlinux | i just dont uinderstand really what it's written in the command's you gave me |
| 09:44.00 | amphi | the Chosen One! |
| 09:44.19 | enouf | amphi: hah, now cut that out! :-p |
| 09:44.32 | enouf | superlinux: install dmidecode, it's a pkg |
| 09:44.33 | superlinux | the output i dont understand it all |
| 09:44.43 | superlinux | it's there |
| 09:44.45 | enouf | lshal | less, and look more closely |
| 09:44.52 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:45.01 | enouf | superlinux: use lshw and hwinfo also if you like |
| 09:45.05 | superlinux | cos i am thinking of updating the bios |
| 09:45.14 | superlinux | but it's dated to 2004 |
| 09:45.28 | enouf | wow .. that's OLD! :-p |
| 09:45.29 | superlinux | but the bios i have is older |
| 09:45.46 | superlinux | older by 4 mo |
| 09:45.54 | jelly-home | superlinux: is there anything actually wrong with the machine? |
| 09:45.55 | enouf | superlinux: what does the BIOS update fix? |
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| 09:46.27 | superlinux | well i just donnt know why on 2.6.27.8 i cannot reach longer uptimes! |
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| 09:46.40 | maligor | they're called bugs |
| 09:46.52 | enouf | file a bug with bugzilla? |
| 09:46.52 | superlinux | 3 to two days and a totall lockup! |
| 09:47.23 | jimpy | has packages.debian.org locked up? |
| 09:47.29 | jelly-home | superlinux: oh. does any older kernel work fine? |
| 09:47.49 | maligor | superlinux, do you get any error anywhere? |
| 09:47.49 | superlinux | i recall the 2.6.18 was nice |
| 09:48.09 | jelly-home | superlinux: does that machine have iLO or at least IML? |
| 09:48.23 | superlinux | i am trying guys to find any error that i think it's an error |
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| 09:48.41 | superlinux | like a serious one |
| 09:48.48 | jelly-home | superlinux: have you used proliant tools to take a look at the IML log? |
| 09:49.13 | superlinux | i notive when the kernel boots some memory locations are not acceable to it |
| 09:49.17 | jelly-home | "cpqimlview" or similar |
| 09:49.33 | enouf | Initial Microcode Load ... what a dump! |
| 09:49.36 | superlinux | oh ! is there really!? |
| 09:49.41 | superlinux | ok i'll see that |
| 09:50.03 | superlinux | i am still learning this box. i just transformed it to a desktop |
| 09:50.11 | jelly-home | enouf: means something else |
| 09:50.31 | enouf | peers over at his Xeon Server he snagged from the curb some days ago |
| 09:50.35 | superlinux | sound card and an Nvidia |
| 09:50.35 | enouf | ok |
| 09:50.58 | enouf | it's a dellio too .. ewww |
| 09:51.00 | jelly-home | enouf: the proliants have some nice features, even the old ones |
| 09:51.05 | Nielske | mmmm |
| 09:51.08 | enouf | jelly-home: cool |
| 09:51.12 | jimpy | can somone tell me does the package nagio-mysql store configuration or check data in a database? |
| 09:51.17 | Nielske | aptitude update |
| 09:51.17 | Nielske | Get:1 http://ftp.nl.debian.org etch Release.gpg [386B] |
| 09:51.18 | Nielske | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
| 09:51.27 | jimpy | nagios-mysql |
| 09:51.28 | Nielske | anybody able to help me with that issue? |
| 09:52.22 | enouf | jimpy: dpkg -L <pkgname> ? |
| 09:52.45 | superlinux | i looked up online for the drivers and such. there are some that 2008. but mostly to redhat Ent.4 |
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| 09:53.21 | enouf | Nielske: is that http://ftp.. valid? try ftp://ftp... maybe |
| 09:53.58 | robyonrails | guys, I connect to the port 25 and I try to issue SMTP commands... when I finish typing the message... I obtain: "Message accepted for delivery" but the email isn't delivered (I think) |
| 09:53.59 | jimpy | enouf: i was just wondering if anyone knew before i set it up |
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| 09:54.16 | ttl- | greetings everyone |
| 09:54.17 | robyonrails | have I to issue another command to deliver it ? |
| 09:54.20 | Nielske | i tried both; |
| 09:54.20 | Nielske | Get:1 ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org etch Release.gpg [386B] |
| 09:54.20 | Nielske | E: Method ftp has died unexpectedly! |
| 09:55.16 | enouf | Nielske: try another mirror? comment that one out - /msg dpkg sources.list .. pastebin the entire command and output - and pastebin apt-cache policy output |
| 09:55.30 | enouf | erm /msg dpkg mirrors (also) |
| 09:56.52 | Nielske | let me try enouf |
| 09:56.55 | Nielske | thx for support so far |
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| 09:59.20 | superlinux | i am gonna do somthing wicked |
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| 09:59.38 | tdn | How do I get my HP LaserJet P1005 to work in Etch? I'm using CUPS. |
| 09:59.41 | superlinux | i'll try to flsh the bios of the VMware |
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| 09:59.50 | superlinux | i'll try to flash the bios of the VMware |
| 09:59.56 | ttl- | Can cron schedule @reboot but only on certain days ? |
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| 10:00.04 | Flesje | (10:55:31) (Flesje^) i'm trying to install debian with netinstall on usb |
| 10:00.06 | Flesje | (10:55:43) (Flesje^) he recognizes 2 gigabit ethernet adapters with install but dhcp isnt working |
| 10:00.08 | Flesje | (10:55:52) (Flesje^) i manually configure but then it cant connect to anything |
| 10:00.09 | superlinux | has anyone thought of that? |
| 10:01.06 | virhilo | how to forbid sshduard to using ip6tables? |
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| 10:01.29 | k-man | enouf, fixed it, i had to upgrade mdadm - it was an old version and there was either a bug or incompatability in it |
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| 10:02.13 | enouf | k-man: you didn't mention any RAID :-P |
| 10:02.18 | jabis | tdn, there were some similar issues you reported on some ubuntu forums, google for your HP LaserJet P1005 linux and you'll find some maybe working fixes |
| 10:02.47 | ttl- | can cron schedule tasks lets say only when the computer is booted on day 1-5 and not when the computer is booted on day 6-7? |
| 10:02.56 | k-man | enouf, sorry - its very hard sometimes to phrase questions to include every possible thing that could be involved |
| 10:04.37 | jabis | it's Karma, k-man,, the one thing you left out of the story ;D |
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| 10:05.08 | jabis | [12:05:00] <jabis> it's Karma, k-man,, the one thing you left out of the story ;D |
| 10:05.36 | k-man | jabis, yeah definately karma |
| 10:05.46 | k-man | as i was supposed to finish work 4 hours ago |
| 10:05.49 | k-man | then this broke |
| 10:05.52 | k-man | anyway |
| 10:05.53 | k-man | fixed now |
| 10:05.55 | jabis | you've stomped too many ants :D |
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| 10:07.34 | jabis | oh, I did also find my issue on the user switching - dual monitor, other one is missing a screen setup, so xserver tries to cycle them for some reason when new VT is created |
| 10:07.36 | helpme | jabis: the bot didnt work |
| 10:07.41 | helpme | can you tell me how please |
| 10:07.51 | helpme | how do i enable those extra repos? :s |
| 10:08.00 | jabis | helpme, vim/gedit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:08.08 | helpme | kk |
| 10:08.10 | jabis | and do apt-get update |
| 10:08.12 | helpme | what lines do I add |
| 10:08.25 | skt | not sure about compatible in loj ban |
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| 10:08.36 | skt | wrong channel |
| 10:08.55 | jabis | helpme, the ones you need, look at the original repos |
| 10:08.56 | helpme | nm, found it :D |
| 10:08.59 | helpme | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 10:08.59 | helpme | deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian etch non-free |
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| 10:09.09 | helpme | thanks jabis <3 |
| 10:09.14 | jabis | yup |
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| 10:10.13 | jabis | tdn: http://www.stchman.com/foo2zjs.html <- there's one link for ya |
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| 10:14.15 | enouf | ttl-: maybe through anacron? not sure |
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| 10:15.59 | Nielske | enouf : i tried different sources; no difference |
| 10:16.10 | Nielske | apt-cache policy output |
| 10:16.11 | Nielske | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.nl.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nl.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 10:16.23 | Nielske | putting strace on pastebin |
| 10:16.50 | enouf | Nielske: does that machine have internet working? firewall? |
| 10:17.15 | Nielske | http://paste.debian.net/24284/ |
| 10:17.24 | Nielske | i am remotely connected to it right now |
| 10:18.04 | Nielske | i can access that source via lynx |
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| 10:18.49 | Nielske | lynx http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ |
| 10:18.53 | Nielske | is working |
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| 10:22.55 | slacker_nl | how can i find out which packages are dependend on a particular package? |
| 10:23.47 | amphi | slacker_nl: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 10:24.38 | slacker_nl | amphi: tyvm |
| 10:24.50 | darkstego | I am trying to install debian and for some reason the disk I want to install to shows up as mounted at the same mount point as my usb drive(with the iso) |
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| 10:28.55 | enouf | lines 71/72 and 92/93 seem odd to me Nielske .. comment those out? and any cdrom line in sources.list ..and for non-security use "deb ... etch main" not "deb ... etch/updates" nomenclature - OH .. do "/msg dpkg security" and add a line for it |
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| 10:29.45 | enouf | Nielske: 29. unlink("/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_Release.gpg") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 130. stat64("/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_Release.gpg", 0xbfe81da0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 1 |
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| 10:30.57 | Nielske | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:30.58 | Nielske | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 10:30.59 | Nielske | deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 10:31.20 | my007ms | is there package for developing install gcc/make/.. etc |
| 10:31.21 | my007ms | ? |
| 10:31.23 | Nielske | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 10:31.23 | Nielske | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 10:31.30 | enouf | !security |
| 10:31.30 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 10:31.36 | enouf | oh |
| 10:31.45 | enouf | stop pasting into channel please :-P |
| 10:31.46 | ShishKabab | I use aptitude in the script. When I do "sudo aptitude install krita || echo Nope" and I cancel the installation, nothing gets echoed |
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| 10:32.00 | my007ms | or i have to install every thing one by one |
| 10:32.07 | Nielske | sorry |
| 10:32.08 | Nielske | :D |
| 10:32.17 | enouf | !b-e my007ms |
| 10:32.18 | dpkg | my007ms: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 10:32.31 | my007ms | enouf this what i need :) |
| 10:32.32 | my007ms | thanks |
| 10:33.21 | enouf | Nielske: how's your system time? correct? |
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| 10:33.29 | enouf | !gpgv |
| 10:33.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unknown error executing gpgv is what you will see from apt-get update if your clock is really wrong. Set it to approximately the right time using date -s "current time" (ask me about <date> for the current time if you don't know it!) and then apt-get update. Ask me about <ntp> for a better, more permanent solution. |
| 10:34.01 | enouf | i'm cafuzzled - too many diff things in my head - and i'm tired Nielske |
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| 10:34.47 | Nielske | i did just run ntpdate |
| 10:34.53 | Nielske | offset was only 1 sec :D |
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| 10:36.49 | darkstego | is there a way to define the location of the iso for usb debian install? |
| 10:37.32 | enouf | Nielske: where did the trust cdrom stuff come from? /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom cause it's being read; 72. read(4, "APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "..., 8191) = 40 |
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| 10:37.57 | Nielske | i don't know my sources.list is empty |
| 10:38.03 | Nielske | i don't even have cdrom device |
| 10:38.44 | Nielske | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom exists though |
| 10:38.50 | enouf | although, i doubt that's it ... sigh .. you used apt-cdrom at one time? |
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| 10:39.00 | Nielske | never; don't have cddevice |
| 10:39.09 | Nielske | installed using 3 floppies and afterwards inet |
| 10:39.11 | negge | guys I need some help. I have my music library mounted with bind to a directory in /var/www to be able to access my music from the web easily, however now that I do a "chown -R :www-data www/" it also chowns all music files which takes forever plus it's not what I want. I checked the manpage for chown but there doesn't seem to be an exclude option. Anyone has any suggestions on how do solve this easily? |
| 10:39.38 | Flesje | why is my system what i'm installing not finding a network mirror |
| 10:39.46 | Flesje | did put ip in by hand and all |
| 10:39.56 | Flesje | but cant connect to network to find network mirrors |
| 10:39.59 | Flesje | how can i solve? |
| 10:40.07 | negge | Flesje: maybe it couldn't find a suitable driver for your NIC |
| 10:40.08 | enouf | Nielske: IIUC, /apt.conf.d/ exists on etch, but isn't used? or /apt.conf/ settings override it? yeah, i noticed "floppie" |
| 10:40.20 | Flesje | negge it did find the realtek gigabit adapter on my server motherboard |
| 10:40.25 | lastnode | Neaai, s this what you wanna do? - http://nazly.net/post/chmod-recursively-272/ |
| 10:40.28 | Flesje | found 2 when running the netinstall cd |
| 10:40.30 | lastnode | sory |
| 10:40.37 | lastnode | negge, http://nazly.net/post/chmod-recursively-272/ <-- that was for you. is that what you wanna do? |
| 10:41.13 | negge | Flesje: same thing happened to me when I tried installing Etch on a new computer, it found the driver and everything but it still didn't work so I had to get a Lenny netinst CD and whola, it worked |
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| 10:41.51 | negge | lastnode: can find exclude a certain directory? |
| 10:41.56 | Flesje | well ok but i dont want lenny :P |
| 10:42.01 | Flesje | i want etch |
| 10:42.15 | negge | Flesje: why not? I know it's beta and all but it's pretty solid |
| 10:42.24 | Flesje | its for a server |
| 10:42.32 | Flesje | so nah dont want beta software on it |
| 10:42.44 | Flesje | is there no way i can get the nic drivers on it? |
| 10:42.56 | Flesje | on the netinstall cd? |
| 10:42.57 | pif | do you guys use any swap these days? |
| 10:43.01 | Flesje | i have a cd fro motherboard |
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| 10:43.36 | enouf | Nielske: cat /proc/mounts | grep var |
| 10:43.45 | enouf | er ... |
| 10:43.50 | enouf | !uuoc me |
| 10:43.50 | dpkg | hands enouf the "unnecessary use of cat" award |
| 10:44.33 | negge | Flesje: the CD that came with your mobo will most likely contain only Windows drivers. You could of course get the new driver and manually install it but I'm not exactly sure how to do it the right way |
| 10:44.39 | Nielske | empty btw |
| 10:44.40 | Flesje | no negge |
| 10:44.45 | Flesje | it will contain also linux drivers |
| 10:44.48 | Flesje | linux and windows |
| 10:44.53 | Flesje | SuperMicro SuperServer ;) |
| 10:45.07 | negge | Flesje: just pop in the CD and follow the instructions then |
| 10:46.07 | Flesje | should mount it first :p |
| 10:46.20 | negge | lastnode: you still there? |
| 10:46.45 | negge | I'm thinking of making a script that first unmounts the music directory, then it chowns and chmods all the files and remounts it |
| 10:49.23 | robyonrails | guys.. my mqueue is locked |
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| 10:49.52 | robyonrails | when I run # sendmail -v -q I obtain: |
| 10:49.53 | robyonrails | Running /var/spool/mqueue/mBN9p02H003909 (sequence 1 of 2) |
| 10:49.53 | robyonrails | mBN9p02H003909: locked |
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| 10:53.04 | Crypticfortune | I'm trying to fix (what I'd consider) crazy default japanese font priorities for all users using the fontconf dir /etc/fonts/conf.d/, but none of the changes I make there seem to have any effect (regardless of restarting X). is there some command I have to run to get it to look at the new config or something? |
| 10:53.53 | Flesje | how to extract a tar.bz2 archive in 1 time |
| 10:54.05 | Flesje | as i have only a standard system with no packages cause i dont have connection to the internetz |
| 10:54.29 | jimpy | bunzip <file> && tar xvf <same file - bz2> ? |
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| 10:54.37 | liable | !tar |
| 10:54.38 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
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| 10:55.08 | Flesje | no such file directory :S |
| 10:55.14 | liable | you prolly dont have bzip2 though |
| 10:55.18 | Flesje | nope |
| 10:56.09 | Flesje | is there no way to get the network drivers into a netinstall iso ? |
| 10:57.03 | liable | not really |
| 10:57.19 | negge | I always use just "tar -xvf" when extracting archives, seems to work allt he time |
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| 10:58.10 | Flesje | hmm.. |
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| 10:58.11 | Flesje | wtf |
| 10:58.14 | Flesje | no i have internet |
| 10:58.21 | Flesje | and when installing from netinstall disc i didnt :S |
| 10:59.42 | Flesje | need new apt-get lists where can i get them to insert into sources.list |
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| 11:05.06 | ttl- | enouf: maybe... I will look into it later, thanks! |
| 11:05.15 | Flesje | i did install the very standard system, how can i get the latest updates for security and all? |
| 11:05.24 | ttl- | goodbye |
| 11:06.12 | Flesje | just running apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade |
| 11:06.27 | enouf | !mantra |
| 11:06.32 | enouf | !debian mantra |
| 11:06.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
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| 11:06.53 | rudenstam | nifty command those |
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| 11:07.05 | mohadib | howdy |
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| 11:07.09 | gudik | hi all =) |
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| 11:07.31 | mohadib | when i move a window far or scroll a long page in firefox my sound cuts out |
| 11:07.48 | mohadib | any idea how i could solve this problem? |
| 11:08.00 | gudik | how to change iceowl => sunbird ? |
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| 11:08.31 | lastnode | gudik, download the .tar.gz from the mozilla site |
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| 11:10.00 | Flesje | thanks enouf i'm up to date now :) |
| 11:12.24 | gudik | lastnode: I wish to use "aptitude", So is easier =) (sorry for my English =) |
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| 11:13.22 | Flesje | what is xinetd for? |
| 11:13.48 | lastnode | Flesje, ask dpkg |
| 11:13.54 | Flesje | !xinetd |
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| 11:16.23 | Nielske | enouf : although it's not solved for now |
| 11:16.33 | Nielske | i really appreciate your efforts in browsing through the files |
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| 11:19.54 | frojnd | Why won't linux recognize my second hard disk. It recognizes my sata I disk on which I'm installing system right now, but It won't recognize ATA disk... I set pins for ATA to slave 0. Should I change the pins to slave 1 ? |
| 11:20.53 | gudik | I want to use firefox and sunbird? how I can ? |
| 11:20.54 | zrin | is there a way to set group and permissions for nodes (that will be) automatically created under /proc/bus/usb |
| 11:21.24 | jimpy | gudik: iceweasel is firefox |
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| 11:22.26 | jimpy | sunbid is ice something too |
| 11:22.42 | craigevil | gudik: download the mozilla packages if you dont want to use iceweasel/iceowl |
| 11:23.17 | gudik | jimpy : ok =) i want The fireFox =)) (sorry for my English) =) |
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| 11:24.31 | gudik | craigevil: thank, now I will try... |
| 11:24.56 | craigevil | whats wrong with using iceweasel/icwowl? |
| 11:25.29 | gudik | for icwowl plugins not install =( |
| 11:25.30 | jimpy | gudik before you run off and compile it think to yourself. will i actually remember to update it. |
| 11:25.42 | enouf | Nielske: np |
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| 11:27.02 | Nielske | if you have any idea where to search further; just give hints |
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| 11:28.43 | hoxu | frojnd, does BIOS recognize the disk fine? |
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| 11:33.03 | craigevil | what port does apt use? |
| 11:34.05 | rudenstam | craigevil: guess that depends on your sources.list... but http or ftp ? (80 / 21) |
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| 11:42.15 | sint | hey i've installed some rules for iptables and they are working kinda well. so port 80 and 22 is open now and all others are at least filtered. but if i run nmap to my server it kinda freeze for a minute or two. i can't reach nothing then, but after that its fine again. anyone knows what this could be? |
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| 11:43.24 | sint | top says cpu is idle, so it can't be any cpu overload |
| 11:43.48 | hoxu | sint, "it kinda freezes" - what is "it" here? The nmap source box or the destination? |
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| 11:44.14 | hoxu | also, output of "iptables-save" would be useful to spot any obvious problems |
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| 11:44.32 | sint | the destination, i can't even get it at port 80 .. ok just a sec |
| 11:44.59 | mohadib | sounds like you syn flooded your box lol |
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| 11:47.15 | sint | hoxu: http://rafb.net/p/78nHbH75.html <- thats iptables-save |
| 11:47.37 | hoxu | sint, what nmap command did you use? |
| 11:47.43 | sint | just did a nmap -v ip |
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| 11:48.46 | hoxu | sint, OUTPUT table essentially lets everything through |
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| 11:49.20 | sint | hoxu: so i should drop everything there too? |
| 11:49.25 | hoxu | sint, also, are you sure you don't want to have a "-m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" rule in INPUT? |
| 11:49.50 | hoxu | depends on your needs really. Are you worried of something getting in? Or worried about something getting out as well? |
| 11:50.37 | sint | hoxu: i am kinda first time user for iptables, just got the rules from a tutorial on ubuntu pages |
| 11:50.42 | hoxu | on a normal workstation you would usually just filter incoming traffic and accept all outgoing packets |
| 11:50.48 | hoxu | geh |
| 11:51.16 | hoxu | ubuntu tutorials have a bad tendency to... be written by people who don't really know what they are doing |
| 11:51.37 | sint | hoxu: :/ |
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| 11:51.57 | jimpy | sint: hold up i have a great tutorial for iptables |
| 11:51.59 | hoxu | sint, I'd add a "iptables -I INPUT 2 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" |
| 11:52.07 | rudenstam | hoxu: hehe.. true true ;) |
| 11:52.11 | mohadib | also |
| 11:52.20 | hoxu | sint, established concerns for example tcp connections that are already open |
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| 11:52.27 | jimpy | sint :http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html |
| 11:52.28 | sint | are you having a good tut? i've been to some security pages but i don't think i want to read a first book to add 4 lines to iptables |
| 11:52.35 | mohadib | if you allow all traffic to all your open ports, no point in filtering at all |
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| 11:52.50 | hoxu | sint, related includes stuff like replies related to DNS queries and so forth, you probably want that :p |
| 11:52.51 | jimpy | nah this guide explains each setting very well |
| 11:53.05 | mohadib | nah? |
| 11:53.14 | jimpy | s/nah/no |
| 11:53.15 | mohadib | did someone say it didnt? |
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| 11:53.48 | mohadib | ahh, ubuntu tutorials |
| 11:53.54 | mohadib | ues lol, they can be suspect |
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| 11:53.58 | sint | jimpy: the link redirects me to wikipedia -> http |
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| 11:54.23 | hoxu | sint, remove the ":" on front of it |
| 11:54.30 | sint | oh |
| 11:54.44 | sint | ya works :) |
| 11:55.44 | sint | looks like a good tut :) |
| 11:56.14 | mohadib | hmm |
| 11:56.15 | jimpy | it's a gem for sure |
| 11:56.20 | mohadib | -A INPUT -m limit --limit 5/min -j LOG --log-prefix "iptables denied: " --log-level 7 |
| 11:56.26 | mohadib | thats looks suspect |
| 11:56.43 | mohadib | i bet thats what making your internets appear to freeze when scanning it |
| 11:56.45 | jimpy | ow so |
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| 11:57.12 | sint | mohadib: ya, the ubuntu tut told me that this will enable logging |
| 11:57.14 | hoxu | that's a log statement, it doesn't do much apart from, uh, logging |
| 11:57.24 | mohadib | oh gah |
| 11:57.41 | sint | maybe i should delete this line |
| 11:57.46 | mohadib | missed the log part :S |
| 11:57.56 | mohadib | no, i was mistaken :s |
| 11:58.05 | mohadib | it will only log 5 drops a minute |
| 11:58.08 | mohadib | thats a good line :D |
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| 11:59.10 | HardDisk_WP | how do I force firefox / iceweasel to empty a page's cache? |
| 11:59.10 | sint | ;) |
| 11:59.10 | HardDisk_WP | strg+shift+r doesnt work |
| 11:59.16 | harpal | Whats Best MTA? sendmail, procmail, qmail? |
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| 11:59.36 | troubled | harpal: you forgot exim in that list :) |
| 11:59.42 | mohadib | harpal: postfix "D |
| 11:59.59 | troubled | qmail does have a nice priv seperated design though |
| 12:00.11 | troubled | but bersteins license was at issue in the past I think |
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| 12:00.47 | troubled | exim is okay, but the config in etch is a little .. awkward now with the split setup :) |
| 12:00.58 | sint | mohadib: when i did a nmap -v on the server without any iptables. it wasn't freezing at all, so it has to be something to do with the iptables thing. its not cool if everybody can freeze my machine just with an nmap -v ip line. |
| 12:01.02 | troubled | i know some isp's use postfix though and ive heard many people speak highly of it |
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| 12:01.44 | mohadib | maybe you are getting a dns time out or something |
| 12:01.55 | harpal | troubled: I have firewall machine at which I want to implement antispam, so I am searching for good MTA which just checkes spam messages and forward mail to mail server inside firewall |
| 12:02.00 | mohadib | put the state requested/related rule in |
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| 12:02.41 | harpal | HardDisk_WP: Ctrl+Shift+Del will clear your cache |
| 12:02.44 | mohadib | actually i have no clue why that would stall your machine |
| 12:02.47 | troubled | harpal: just about all of them should be able to do that. so it will probably come down to which config/setup syntax you find the most comfortable |
| 12:03.12 | HardDisk_WP | harpal, thx, this worked |
| 12:03.29 | HardDisk_WP | though I dont understand why strg+f5 doesnt work for iframes embedded in that page |
| 12:03.43 | troubled | harpal: I know exim is powerful, but the side effect is that it can be confusing some days if you dont config it frequently on what script you need to use for your exim config style (large single file or the multiple dir style) |
| 12:03.48 | HardDisk_WP | google chrome works better in this point, it clears cache automatically at F5 |
| 12:04.22 | mohadib | f5 is refresh? |
| 12:04.31 | troubled | harpal: with exim, it basically puts 2 working configs in place and the one it uses depends on what command you call. so it can be awkward to remember which is which. or at least I find |
| 12:04.36 | mohadib | i dont think i would want my cache cleared at every refresh |
| 12:05.08 | sint | mohadib: is there any kind of order for iptables? so like, if a line is after drop all, its not working? |
| 12:05.15 | harpal | troubled: I think I must not go for exim. what do you think of others. Because I want to use less memory |
| 12:05.16 | mohadib | yes |
| 12:05.18 | mohadib | order matters |
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| 12:05.29 | enouf | File > Flush all caches ftw :-P |
| 12:05.37 | mohadib | the first match is used |
| 12:05.57 | sint | ok |
| 12:06.02 | troubled | harpal: they probably all use similar amounts of ram |
| 12:07.24 | mohadib | sint: clear all your rules |
| 12:07.26 | troubled | harpal: qmail has probably the most well thought out design, but the license was the issue since I think it may have conflicted with what debian considers "free" at some point. I would stay away from sendmail though. So maybe postfix or qmail? |
| 12:07.29 | mohadib | apply one at a time |
| 12:07.33 | mohadib | nmap after each one |
| 12:07.34 | harpal | troubled: qmail FAQ saying is that they are fast and Most of peoples are using qmail MTA? |
| 12:07.56 | troubled | harpal: no idea, ive never done an internet wide mta survey :) |
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| 12:08.03 | sint | mohadib: ya, i am about to try this |
| 12:08.09 | troubled | qmail is very well designed though |
| 12:08.31 | harpal | troubled: Hehe. But for qmail Can I use that in my production system? |
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| 12:09.31 | troubled | harpal: however, the design is meant to seperate the steps into seperate programs so that its harder to exploit it. each part runs as its own user or something so one step cant mess with the other daemons files, it has to call it and pass stuff that way. but that probably has extra overhead from forking compared to something monolithic like exim or postfix |
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| 12:09.55 | troubled | harpal: sure, I think qmail is production quality, so long as you dont mind his license |
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| 12:10.09 | troubled | !qmail |
| 12:10.09 | dpkg | from memory, qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install on Debian, ask me about <qmail debs>. See also <qmail equivs>. |
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| 12:11.13 | troubled | a minor license issue. still free, but debian does patch stuff in a "mix-n-match" fashion, so its incompatible due to that it seems |
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| 12:14.38 | harpal | troubled: so do I have to pay, or Just have to accept that license? |
| 12:15.09 | mohadib | you dont have to pay |
| 12:15.19 | troubled | harpal: no, its free software, but because of the way debian changes certain variables to do their building, I think its considered "modified source", which is strictly forbidden in the license |
| 12:15.20 | mohadib | just dont modify the code, rebuild, then distribute |
| 12:16.03 | harpal | mohadib: Ok, I want to use it. |
| 12:16.09 | troubled | most packagers tend to put in var's to change hard coded paths and stuff to match the OS guidelines, thats probably why they considered it to be non-freee |
| 12:16.42 | troubled | !qmail debs |
| 12:16.43 | dpkg | qmail can't be distributed in binary format (non-free license), but you can build debs by getting the source. "aptitude install ucspi-tcp-src qmail-src" and follow the build instructions (apt-cache show qmail-src). |
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| 12:17.23 | harpal | troubled: I think the system in which I will install is not debian, Its generic Linux, so I have to install through source, so I think Its fine to use :D |
| 12:17.26 | troubled | harpal: just make sure you have non-free in your source |
| 12:17.30 | troubled | sources* |
| 12:17.41 | Eulex | troubled, I wouldn't call that free software. |
| 12:17.50 | lastnode | yes |
| 12:17.55 | lastnode | Free as in Beer |
| 12:18.01 | lastnode | but obviously not Free as in Speech |
| 12:18.03 | troubled | yes, free as in beer :) |
| 12:18.04 | lastnode | != FS |
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| 12:18.19 | lastnode | debian has very strict guidelines on what it calls free, is it not? :) |
| 12:18.36 | troubled | but if all he cares about is if he can get the source and not pay $$$, then yes, its "free" for him to use |
| 12:18.36 | mohadib | well, its in the non-free repo |
| 12:18.44 | lastnode | yes |
| 12:18.51 | spersaud | lastnode: yes, the Firefox logo is not free, hence iceweasel |
| 12:18.52 | lastnode | that differentiation is important though |
| 12:18.59 | lastnode | course |
| 12:19.02 | lastnode | English sucks btw |
| 12:19.06 | lastnode | in Sinhala, my native tongue |
| 12:19.07 | hoxu | !tell lastnode about dfsg |
| 12:19.10 | lastnode | we have a word for freedom |
| 12:19.15 | lastnode | hoxu, oh i know about it ;-) |
| 12:19.16 | spersaud | DEBIAN is the only version of linux thats completely free, everything else is motivated by money |
| 12:19.23 | lastnode | and a word for without cost |
| 12:19.32 | troubled | yes, debian is very pure :) |
| 12:19.39 | JyZyXEL | pure \o/ |
| 12:19.57 | troubled | generally a good thing, but sometimes its a little silly when you want to use something they consider non-free heh |
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| 12:20.25 | spersaud | my system was infected with proprietary drivers that caused it to freeze so I got a dd-wrt router and setup a wireless bridge |
| 12:20.26 | troubled | gcc doc's are non-free for example due to a copyright notice or something, yet we all use gcc. again, weird cases |
| 12:20.38 | mohadib | i thought the thing with iceweasel,iceape etc kinda sucked |
| 12:20.49 | spersaud | I use java for limewire thats abt it |
| 12:21.00 | mohadib | but, im glad someone is rabidly rigid about freedom |
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| 12:21.02 | JyZyXEL | troubled so thats why there is no man gcc? :D |
| 12:21.03 | spersaud | its really buggy, people should use python instead |
| 12:21.18 | lastnode | still, the FSF doesnt recognise deb as a "free" distro |
| 12:21.23 | troubled | mohadib: ya, kinda sucked they couldnt make an excpetion or diff license for debian but oh well. better that debian sticks to its guns |
| 12:21.28 | lastnode | due to binary blobs in kernel? im not sure |
| 12:21.29 | harpal | troubled: Thanks :D |
| 12:21.30 | troubled | JyZyXEL: yup |
| 12:21.31 | spersaud | lastnode: ?? yes it does |
| 12:21.34 | sint | mohadib: its the drop all line that causes the freeze, but without it, i think iptables makes no sense. i think i'll have to live with it and hope people not often scanning my server :/ |
| 12:21.41 | JyZyXEL | haha i've been wondering that for years |
| 12:22.01 | mohadib | sint: set a policy |
| 12:22.05 | spersaud | lastnode: anything that uses the linux kernel has to be provided for free |
| 12:22.06 | mohadib | i dot think you did that |
| 12:22.06 | lastnode | isnt gcc GNU> |
| 12:22.09 | hoxu | troubled, wasn't the case with gcc docs FDL? |
| 12:22.12 | mohadib | and replace that generic drop |
| 12:22.18 | lastnode | spersaud, so why is RMS all up in debian then? |
| 12:22.22 | lastnode | goes to look for the article |
| 12:22.24 | troubled | JyZyXEL: specifically, the man pages are a direct copy of a published book or something which contains a copyright on the front and back cover, which prevents it from being in debian iirc |
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| 12:22.37 | spersaud | lastnode: whats RMS ? |
| 12:22.39 | troubled | the man pages for gcc i mean |
| 12:22.42 | troubled | !rms |
| 12:22.42 | dpkg | from memory, rms is a hacker name of Richard Stallman, founder of Free Software Foundation (fsf), (co)author of the GNU General Public licence(s), and GNU philosophy in general. |
| 12:22.50 | lastnode | :D |
| 12:23.03 | mohadib | the virtual rms app is pretty funny |
| 12:23.03 | sint | mohadib: what should it look like? |
| 12:23.30 | mohadib | sint: iptables -A INPUT -P DROP |
| 12:23.39 | troubled | hoxu: think it was something to do with copyrighted front/back covers. but IANAL so Im still not clear on if that is accurate description or not. best to find out yourself |
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| 12:24.04 | mohadib | you can replace input for output,prerouting etc |
| 12:24.07 | spersaud | lastnode: what do you mean all up in debian ? |
| 12:24.15 | hoxu | troubled, FDL has the invariant section thingy, which is not in compliance with DFSG I think |
| 12:24.37 | sint | mohadib: ok, thanks i'll give it a try |
| 12:24.43 | mohadib | np |
| 12:25.00 | troubled | hoxu: well, its listed in the non dfsg section, so maybe thats it |
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| 12:26.09 | lastnode | spersaud, http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7506163557.html |
| 12:26.13 | lastnode | gnusense is "fully free" debian |
| 12:26.16 | mohadib | was anyone else dissapointed vrms didnt nag or give you a speach? |
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| 12:27.02 | craigevil | no gnusense is "free" ubuntu |
| 12:27.06 | mohadib | vrms --smell --nag |
| 12:27.12 | mohadib | that would be nice |
| 12:27.13 | lastnode | craigevil, and ubuntu is built on debian |
| 12:27.20 | lastnode | ! |
| 12:27.36 | lastnode | "At this time, Debian still does contain some proprietary software, in both the current Sarge distribution and in the upcoming Etch distribution." |
| 12:27.39 | craigevil | its not the same |
| 12:28.00 | lastnode | i know its not the same |
| 12:28.05 | spersaud | lastnode: you dont know what you are talking about |
| 12:28.07 | lastnode | read the article, it spells it out very well |
| 12:28.23 | lastnode | spersaud, ok, educate me :) |
| 12:28.45 | spersaud | lastnode: thats if your hardware is not supported , many wifi and graphic card companies do not have open source ddrivers |
| 12:29.11 | spersaud | lastnode: users have to use proprietar firmware connected to some hacked software to get some wireless cards to work |
| 12:29.12 | lastnode | spersaud, YES im aware of that. i run a broadcom chipset for wifi which is just getting a free driver via b43 |
| 12:29.19 | lastnode | spersaud, preaching to the choir! |
| 12:29.30 | spersaud | lastnode: thats a piece of junk |
| 12:29.31 | lastnode | i know all this, but the fact remains, debian is not approved yb the fsf |
| 12:29.33 | lastnode | which is ALL i said |
| 12:29.42 | lastnode | spersaud, what is a piece of junk? |
| 12:29.55 | spersaud | that driver, the firmware is crap |
| 12:29.59 | spersaud | its closed source |
| 12:30.32 | lastnode | spersaud - |
| 12:30.32 | spersaud | I suggest you get a wireless router that supports ddwrt and setup a wireless bridge and remove your wireless card |
| 12:30.33 | lastnode | <lastnode> due to binary blobs in kernel? im not sure |
| 12:30.33 | lastnode | <...> |
| 12:30.33 | lastnode | <spersaud> lastnode: ?? yes it does |
| 12:30.40 | lastnode | spersaud, what are you saying mate? |
| 12:30.47 | lastnode | i said the fsf does not recognise deb as a free distro |
| 12:30.49 | lastnode | you said it does! |
| 12:31.10 | spersaud | lastnode: those binary blobs = proprietar firmware attached to kernel |
| 12:31.24 | lastnode | YES |
| 12:31.24 | lastnode | DUDE |
| 12:31.24 | lastnode | stop trying to evangelise to me, and try and read what i said? |
| 12:31.26 | lastnode | lols |
| 12:31.29 | spersaud | and I am saying you dont have to use it |
| 12:31.42 | lastnode | YES i dont, but im using the chipset that came with my laptop |
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| 12:31.52 | lastnode | my ONLY contention was that teh FSF doesnt call Debian "free" |
| 12:31.57 | craigevil | no one gives a crap whether debian is considered a "free" distro by the FSF |
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| 12:32.07 | lastnode | to which you said it does |
| 12:32.11 | mohadib | lol |
| 12:32.16 | enouf | ... |
| 12:32.17 | lastnode | craigevil, aye, that's a valid opinion. i dont either. |
| 12:32.18 | hoxu | I think this discussion would be better moved to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:32.23 | lastnode | me too |
| 12:32.24 | lastnode | apologies |
| 12:33.17 | lastnode | spersaud, http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html is the list of distros "approved" by the fsf, and debian isn't there. i use debian, and love it, so there's really no need to preach to me about how awesome it is |
| 12:33.18 | liable | deep breathes |
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| 12:33.43 | liable | s/breathes/breaths/ |
| 12:34.06 | raz0 | Debian is too serious the FSF. ;) |
| 12:34.09 | raz0 | j/k |
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| 12:34.28 | mohadib | oh great BLAG linux |
| 12:34.34 | mohadib | that list is stupid |
| 12:34.42 | mohadib | its only there to point out who is not on the list |
| 12:34.48 | lastnode | :D |
| 12:34.54 | gizmo | in debian can use msn messenger live? |
| 12:35.12 | gizmo | i want to try debian..now im using ubuntu os..how to upgrade to debian? |
| 12:35.16 | lastnode | gizmo, you can use pidgin, which can connect to msn |
| 12:35.20 | raz0 | gizmo, Reinstall. |
| 12:35.27 | lastnode | gizmo, you cant upgrade, you need to reinstall |
| 12:35.37 | gizmo | where i can d/l the debian? |
| 12:35.42 | raz0 | debian.org |
| 12:35.45 | gizmo | its the same way like install ubuntu..? |
| 12:35.50 | lastnode | yes |
| 12:35.54 | mohadib | with a cd :D |
| 12:36.03 | gizmo | ok.. |
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| 12:36.40 | mohadib | but it doesnt have pictues of racially diverse crowds on the front |
| 12:36.47 | gizmo | mohadib, how many mb need in debian? |
| 12:37.02 | lastnode | gizmo, that depends onw hat you want |
| 12:37.04 | mohadib | probaly a shity bitmapped debian logo |
| 12:37.18 | mohadib | gizmo: not much, debian install can be tiny |
| 12:37.21 | lastnode | gizmo, for a normal base system similar to ubuntu, around the same space as ubuntu |
| 12:37.27 | mohadib | do you plan for a standard desktop install? |
| 12:37.34 | mohadib | ahh yes |
| 12:37.37 | mohadib | hasnt slept |
| 12:37.38 | lastnode | gizmo, ubuntu is built from debian, so the install size should be around ht esame |
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| 12:37.46 | gizmo | what the different between ubuntu and debian? |
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| 12:37.55 | lastnode | !ubuntu |
| 12:37.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 12:38.18 | lastnode | gizmo, ubuntu is based on debian, but does many changes to software packages along the way |
| 12:38.32 | lastnode | there is no easy answer to your question, but one of the main differences is philosophical |
| 12:38.41 | MiniCow | Any dpkg gurus in here? |
| 12:38.42 | lastnode | Debian strongly supports Free (as in Speech) Software |
| 12:38.47 | hoxu | MiniCow, ask a real question |
| 12:38.50 | lastnode | MiniCow, ask the question |
| 12:38.56 | hoxu | !tell MiniCow about basic apt-get troubleshooting |
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| 12:39.04 | mohadib | ubuntu is like debian unstable with non free software |
| 12:39.12 | mohadib | but the installer fully works! |
| 12:39.17 | mohadib | in ubuntu that is :D |
| 12:39.18 | lastnode | mohadib, that's a gross over simplification :P |
| 12:39.23 | mohadib | :D |
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| 12:39.56 | MiniCow | Sure. I've got a hosed libc6 package on my system. I'm trying to reinstall, but I'm getting a seg fault during the 'pre-installation script. I'm looking for ways of forcing it. |
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| 12:40.21 | MiniCow | At the moment I've booted of a boot cd and I'm using.... |
| 12:40.23 | spersaud | erases lastnode using xerces :) |
| 12:40.38 | lastnode | :) |
| 12:40.55 | MiniCow | dpkg --force-all --root /mnt --install libc6......deb |
| 12:40.55 | dpkg | no idea, MiniCow |
| 12:41.09 | lastnode | haha |
| 12:41.17 | lastnode | dpkg is also the channel bot, MiniCow :) |
| 12:41.18 | dpkg | lastnode: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 12:41.23 | MiniCow | :-) |
| 12:41.35 | lastnode | dpkg, i will, thanks |
| 12:41.35 | dpkg | lastnode: wish i knew |
| 12:41.49 | lastnode | dpkg, stop hitting on me man |
| 12:41.50 | dpkg | lastnode: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 12:41.57 | mohadib | hah |
| 12:41.58 | lastnode | dpkg, I DO |
| 12:41.59 | dpkg | lastnode: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 12:42.10 | troubled | okay guys, try not abuse dpkg too much :) |
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| 12:42.29 | lastnode | else once he becomes self-aware he'll do a channel take over |
| 12:42.33 | lastnode | and hack teh planet1!!! |
| 12:42.56 | alcohol | using a windows botnet |
| 12:42.56 | alcohol | :< |
| 12:42.59 | alcohol | shudders |
| 12:43.10 | mohadib | no |
| 12:43.19 | _coredump_ | mahlzeit |
| 12:43.19 | mohadib | dpkg only uses free software |
| 12:43.19 | dpkg | i don't know, mohadib |
| 12:43.25 | alcohol | see |
| 12:43.30 | mohadib | lol |
| 12:43.31 | MiniCow | is scared dpkg might be skynet |
| 12:43.33 | alcohol | don't let appearances deceive you! |
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| 12:43.47 | mohadib | i knew it was just a front! |
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| 12:44.48 | alcohol | anyone here that uses thunderbid? |
| 12:44.52 | gizmo | can i run my bnc in debian? |
| 12:45.05 | mohadib | bnc network card? |
| 12:45.10 | troubled | !bnc |
| 12:45.11 | dpkg | [bnc] a connector for coaxial cable such as that used for some video connections and RG58, cheapernet, connections. A BNC connector has a bayonet-type shell with two small knobs on the female connector which lock into spiral slots in the male connector when it is twisted on. used for old workstation monitors, or an IRC session bouncing proxy. Blue Nipple Cover |
| 12:45.11 | gizmo | psybnc |
| 12:45.17 | mohadib | holy crap |
| 12:45.24 | mohadib | thats old school |
| 12:45.35 | gizmo | why you said old-school? |
| 12:45.42 | gizmo | u dont use psybnc here? |
| 12:45.45 | gizmo | !psybnc |
| 12:45.45 | dpkg | methinks psybnc is One of the most popular IRC bouncers, http://www.psybnc.at/, or at http://sourceforge.net/projects/psybnc/ if the former URL is dead |
| 12:45.57 | gizmo | !shell |
| 12:46.10 | mohadib | oh |
| 12:46.14 | mohadib | missed that part |
| 12:46.29 | gizmo | mohadib, never try psybnc? |
| 12:46.45 | mohadib | no, i have many shells on the interwebs |
| 12:46.51 | mohadib | and irssi |
| 12:46.58 | lastnode | ah, but do teh shells talk to each other? |
| 12:47.08 | lastnode | and organise sleepovers? |
| 12:47.12 | lastnode | mine do |
| 12:47.17 | lastnode | gizmo, yes you can run a bnc |
| 12:47.27 | gizmo | but i dont have shell.. |
| 12:47.31 | mohadib | maybe i could make a perl script.. |
| 12:47.39 | lastnode | gizmo, you asked if you ran run a bnc in debian |
| 12:47.45 | gizmo | yeah |
| 12:47.53 | lastnode | so yes you can |
| 12:47.53 | gizmo | have terminal in debian? |
| 12:48.00 | lastnode | gizmo, of course! |
| 12:48.00 | mohadib | lol? |
| 12:48.05 | lastnode | gizmo, everything ubuntu has debian has |
| 12:48.09 | lastnode | all teh basics anyway |
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| 12:48.13 | lastnode | not so much the free codecs |
| 12:48.17 | lastnode | and rampant fanboyism |
| 12:48.24 | lastnode | well some of the fanboyism too |
| 12:48.27 | gizmo | ok.. |
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| 13:15.35 | saulus | Why is my windows able to login users, even when smbd and nmbd and ldap (and winbind - not used) is off? How can I change that? Please help! |
| 13:16.14 | ronr | !windows |
| 13:16.14 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 13:16.41 | saulus | :) |
| 13:16.58 | lastn0de | saulus, sorry i have no idea |
| 13:17.05 | lastn0de | but hang around long enough and someone will :) |
| 13:17.31 | saulus | its a samba problem, running on a debian stable. 3.25 - seems like there is some caching of passwords. Maybe another process running on linux thats doing that stuff? |
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| 13:19.50 | Ace2016_- | very strange, i cannot get grub to boot from my ext3 partition, the inode size is wrong, and i don't seem to have mkfs.ext3 |
| 13:20.04 | Ace2016_- | so can grub use fat32 as its /boot partition? |
| 13:20.05 | enouf | Ace2016_-: you said that 3 days ago .. since resolved |
| 13:20.19 | RichiH | linux tools that i can use to resize NTFS partitions..? |
| 13:20.24 | enouf | no, but grub4dos might, and loadlin |
| 13:20.29 | lastn0de | RichiH, ntfsresize? |
| 13:20.35 | lastn0de | RichiH, debian lenny beta cd auto did it |
| 13:20.45 | lastn0de | but i think its ntfsresize (not sure of the package name) |
| 13:20.58 | lastn0de | !ntfs |
| 13:20.58 | dpkg | ntfs is, like, Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 13:21.12 | Tekno | tekno@eee900:/tmp$ sudo rm -rf keyring-Ay13Fb |
| 13:21.13 | Tekno | rm: cannot remove `keyring-Ay13Fb': Stale NFS file handle |
| 13:21.18 | Tekno | any help plz ? |
| 13:21.30 | mohadib | is fusesmb busted for you guys |
| 13:22.03 | Ace2016_- | enouf: i did, but i don't think it worked still can't get to my boot |
| 13:22.23 | RichiH | lastn0de: thanks! |
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| 13:22.43 | lastn0de | RichiH, np |
| 13:22.47 | enouf | Ace2016_-: you said your #groot= was incorrect, you corrected it, voila!? |
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| 13:23.13 | empiric | hi all |
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| 13:23.18 | empiric | what this error mean |
| 13:23.19 | empiric | The connection to the database server could not be established. |
| 13:23.20 | enouf | RichiH: gparted.sf.net livecd might have support for that |
| 13:23.28 | empiric | i am trying to install phpmyfaq |
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| 13:25.07 | Ace2016_- | enouf: oh, yea that got fixed, but it still wouldn't boot and now i've found the inode was wrong, so i thought i'd just forget ext3 and use fat32 |
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| 13:26.55 | enouf | Ace2016_-: wow .. what a choice to make from all the others available - are you using syslinux? .. maybe you shouldn't think so hard about it :-P |
| 13:27.27 | enouf | Ace2016_-: no specifics? what's your root= line look like? |
| 13:29.00 | Ace2016_- | root=/dev/mapper/root_crypt |
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| 13:32.09 | Percules | hello |
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| 13:32.53 | Percules | how can i boot while i am in first screen (with GRUB i think) to console |
| 13:33.08 | Percules | i don't want to load a script |
| 13:33.32 | hoxu | Percules, edit the boot line, add "init=/bin/sh" for example |
| 13:33.34 | Percules | if i try a normal boot it loads a script that make an endless loop |
| 13:33.34 | Tekno | do you know how to edit kernel line |
| 13:33.48 | Tekno | press e propably |
| 13:33.50 | Percules | yes |
| 13:34.00 | Percules | right |
| 13:34.01 | Tekno | add "single" |
| 13:34.03 | gizmo | avi file can burn to dvd? |
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| 13:34.57 | crimpson | Hey, just installed debian for the first time, when I try to install something with apt-get it sats "blablabla will take X MB space, Continue? Y/n" when i press Y, it says aborting |
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| 13:35.36 | lastn0de | hmmm |
| 13:35.42 | lastn0de | crimpson, can you paste the entire log? |
| 13:35.47 | lastn0de | if you want to catch it you can use >> |
| 13:35.51 | Ace2016_- | enouf: ok it turns out the mkfs.ext3 command i ran to force it to use 128 was wrong, i ran it again and the inode size was still 256, so i will have to go with reiserfs or find the right command |
| 13:35.53 | lastn0de | apt-get install xchat >> foo.txt |
| 13:35.57 | lastn0de | then pastebin foo.txt |
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| 13:36.32 | Ace2016_- | oh and is there a way to list all the experimental packages on the system? |
| 13:36.46 | enouf | Ace2016_-: dunno offhand, now i'm thinking about some /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/ files ... http://www.finnix.org/Debian_testing_on_an_Encrypted_Root_Partition which is old info .. but ... why would you force an inode size? |
| 13:36.49 | Ace2016_- | i may have accidently installed a LOT of experimental packages on my system |
| 13:36.57 | Percules | with single option it works |
| 13:37.01 | Percules | thanks |
| 13:37.42 | crimpson | lastn0de: http://paste.debian.net/24296/ |
| 13:37.51 | crimpson | its dutch though |
| 13:38.23 | crimpson | i tried J, j, Y, y |
| 13:38.32 | Ace2016_- | enouf: i've read that grub has issues reading ext3 filesystems with an inode size larger than 128 |
| 13:38.48 | mohadib | crimpson: just hit enter |
| 13:39.08 | crimpson | w/out typing any char? |
| 13:39.13 | mohadib | yep |
| 13:39.15 | Tekno | tekno@eee900:/tmp$ rm -rf .pcmanfm-socket\:0.0-tekno |
| 13:39.15 | Tekno | rm: cannot remove `.pcmanfm-socket:0.0-tekno': Stale NFS file handle |
| 13:39.18 | Tekno | tekno@eee900:/tmp$ rm -rf .pcmanfm-socket\:0.0-tekno |
| 13:39.18 | Tekno | rm: cannot remove `.pcmanfm-socket:0.0-tekno': Stale NFS file handle |
| 13:39.19 | crimpson | ok |
| 13:39.21 | mohadib | its in upper case becuase thats the default action |
| 13:39.22 | Tekno | any help plz |
| 13:40.20 | enouf | gizmo: http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/avi-to-dvd-with-ffmpeg-and-dvdauthor/ |
| 13:41.01 | enouf | Ace2016_-: how did it get larger than 128? |
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| 13:41.32 | phyburn | how could I shutdown iptables and stop it from starting at boot? |
| 13:41.50 | enouf | phyburn: many ways, /msg dpkg update-rc.d for one |
| 13:42.00 | enouf | !tell phyburn -about rcconf |
| 13:42.15 | phyburn | well I need to have my hosting company do it so what would be the easiest to explain? |
| 13:42.41 | enouf | it depends, suppose they're loading a list from rc.local? |
| 13:42.48 | mohadib | are you locked out of your box phyburn ? |
| 13:42.52 | Ace2016_- | enouf: 256 is the default now since ext4 requires at least an inode size of 256 |
| 13:42.55 | phyburn | yes =( |
| 13:42.58 | mohadib | :D |
| 13:43.09 | phyburn | for a month now lol |
| 13:43.12 | mohadib | make a bad rule and commit it? |
| 13:43.12 | enouf | Ace2016_-: default now? since when? which version of e2fsprogs? |
| 13:43.14 | mohadib | lol |
| 13:43.14 | phyburn | I told them to flush iptables never does anything |
| 13:43.16 | mohadib | that sucks |
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| 13:43.24 | phyburn | no I moved and forgot to add my new ip |
| 13:43.26 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 13:43.31 | mohadib | ah |
| 13:43.34 | lastn0de | hi nootoyahora |
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| 13:44.08 | enouf | judd: versions e2fsprogs |
| 13:44.09 | judd | enouf: e2fsprogs -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 lenny: 1.41.3-1 sid: 1.41.3-1 |
| 13:44.25 | nootoyahora | in the gnome applicatiosn panel I pussed the "revert" button and the "debian menu" has just disppeared, and when I tried to get it bacj with right-button -> edit properties it does not work... what can I do? |
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| 13:44.38 | Ace2016_- | enouf: 1.41.3-1 |
| 13:45.05 | Someguy12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:45.52 | crimpson | mohadib |
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| 13:45.59 | Phil4 | yes, Someguy12 |
| 13:46.03 | crimpson | still have a problem with installing |
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| 13:46.11 | crimpson | even when i press enter |
| 13:46.34 | crimpson | if i try to install something with apt-get and press enter to verify, first time it returns abort |
| 13:46.35 | Ace2016_- | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=463123 |
| 13:46.42 | crimpson | when i run the install again, it continues |
| 13:46.44 | enouf | well ghallllliee e2fsprogs (1.40.5-1) unstable; urgency=low New upstream release. Mke2fs will now create new filesystems with 256 byte inodes and the ext_attr feature flag by default. This allows for much better future compatibity with ext4 and speeds up extended attributes even on ext3 filesystems |
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| 13:47.43 | enouf | crimpson: some default option set in one of your /etc/apt/apt.conf{.d}/* files likely |
| 13:47.59 | Ace2016_- | i love finding cool things like this |
| 13:48.33 | enouf | nootoyahora: man update-menus ? |
| 13:48.56 | enouf | nootoyahora: fire up gconf-editor and poke around? |
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| 13:49.51 | nootoyahora | enouf, done that, you can "answer" almost anything saying "man whatever" (and not really knowing what the problem is) |
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| 13:50.49 | enouf | nootoyahora: i don't use gnome? |
| 13:51.39 | enouf | nootoyahora: what kind of buffoon makes a clickey thing called revert that makes menus disappear? |
| 13:52.13 | nootoyahora | enouf, ad hominem? ;D |
| 13:52.31 | enouf | oh boy .. |
| 13:52.52 | nootoyahora | by the way, gconf-editor does not solve anything :( |
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| 13:53.09 | enouf | what the heck is it there for then? |
| 13:53.29 | nootoyahora | enouf, I don't know |
| 13:53.30 | mosno | enouf: why, to edit gconf, of course! ;-) |
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| 13:53.36 | enouf | gconftool2? depending on version? |
| 13:54.19 | Nyha | I have some problems with X on my eeepc 901.. I don't usualy use debian... Anyway, I did a minimal install of xorg, base and input synaptics, kbd, mouse and video intel. I also added xterm and x11-xserver-utils. |
| 13:54.33 | Nyha | And when I run startx, the server starts, I can see the mouse and than it stops... No (EE) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:55.50 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 13:55.51 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2> and <atl1e>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:00.15 | plb | Hello, I'm trying to build ati drivers on lenny with a custom kernel but after building fglrx driver and trying to install I receive No diversion `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 by fglrx-driver |
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| 14:02.28 | drasko | hi all. I installed kqemu-common package, but I am still getting Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated: No such file or directory |
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| 14:03.46 | dtcrshr | maybe if i install it all over again |
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| 14:05.12 | mosno | do any old timers recall why gnome didn't base on gnustep? |
| 14:06.28 | RichiH | lastn0de: it seems i managed to kill my sister's christmas present ;) |
| 14:06.50 | alcohol | goldfish? :< |
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| 14:09.10 | narhen | I'm installing creative sound driver. And the readme tells me that I must execute the command "make" and "make install" |
| 14:09.10 | narhen | When i tryed I got the error: "command not found". So I installed make by typing "apt-get install make". |
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| 14:09.45 | Tekno | you need gcc etc |
| 14:09.53 | JPT | built-essential |
| 14:10.02 | Tekno | build |
| 14:10.02 | narhen | when I'm typing make now I get the error: http://pastebin.com/m99b61f0 |
| 14:10.14 | JPT | yeah..i'm always writing it the wrong way |
| 14:10.15 | jabis | !build-essential |
| 14:10.16 | dpkg | i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 14:10.42 | narhen | so apt-get install build-essensial ? |
| 14:10.47 | narhen | gcc is allready installed |
| 14:10.51 | Tekno | essential |
| 14:10.58 | narhen | oh, yes.. |
| 14:11.13 | jabis | !linux-kernel-header |
| 14:12.01 | narhen | Thx:) |
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| 14:14.04 | dustybin | http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6631/trainingnewzq0.jpg |
| 14:14.44 | narhen | Hmm, still got the same error. |
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| 14:16.42 | jabis | happy holidays to everyone -> |
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| 14:17.35 | Strog_ | hi peeps i wanted to know how to unzip a bz2 file |
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| 14:18.13 | Strog_ | what are the commands for it? |
| 14:18.23 | mz | google may help you |
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| 14:18.38 | Phil4 | Strog_, man bzip2 |
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| 14:20.00 | Strog_ | thanks |
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| 14:20.14 | limpio | hi all, what's better to wipe clean the hd, dd if=/dev/zero OR dd if=/dev/urandom? |
| 14:20.34 | epsilon | shred |
| 14:20.43 | limpio | ok |
| 14:21.53 | epsilon | just random. zero or one won't effect much than one more wipe run |
| 14:22.19 | gahn | Hai! How do I get a "/dev/dsp"? Have alsa-base installed, card detected, modules loaded from alsaconf. |
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| 14:23.10 | gahn | epsilon: do you kno if they have "solved" that dd-zero challenge? (wipe with just dd if=/dev/zero) |
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| 14:25.25 | Strog_ | i want to install the latest firefox version what is the package called? |
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| 14:26.08 | Tekno | iceweasel |
| 14:26.35 | Strog_ | and installing plugins are no problem? |
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| 14:26.47 | Tekno | nope |
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| 14:28.54 | Strog_ | cause i just tried to install a plug and i get the following message: because: Chrome registration failed -239 |
| 14:29.04 | Strog_ | not enough access rights? |
| 14:29.44 | craigevil | what plugin? and how did you try to install it |
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| 14:30.30 | Strog_ | it is the linuxmanpages plugin i installed it through:file->open file |
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| 14:31.16 | craigevil | a search plugin? |
| 14:31.26 | Strog_ | yes |
| 14:31.36 | Strog_ | you can call it that way |
| 14:32.47 | craigevil | http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=linuxmanpages click on the link beside the penguin |
| 14:32.56 | craigevil | i assume you mean for iceweasel |
| 14:33.25 | Strog_ | any idea where iceweasel puts the plugins? maybe it doesnt have enough accessrights?? |
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| 14:34.43 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.33 | Strog_ | ah great guys |
| 14:36.15 | Strog_ | and another thing i wanted to install the flash_player |
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| 14:36.28 | Strog_ | and it asks me for the path of iceweasel |
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| 14:37.30 | craigevil | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree , make sure you have non-free in your sources.list or use the flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:37.46 | SethX | re all, anybody got an idea on why when in ncftp , using mget -R * , it does not fetch all the content of the site? |
| 14:37.58 | SethX | it seems it gets up to 2 levels |
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| 14:43.50 | kqr | hi, i need to split my /dev/hda1 into two partitions... how big is the risk of destroying existing content? (i have 4 gigs free, i need to make a new partition à 3 gigs) |
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| 14:44.22 | monfis | #debian-pl |
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| 14:45.37 | mz | kqr: what file system do you have on hda1? |
| 14:45.43 | kqr | mz: ext3 |
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| 14:46.09 | mz | kqr: where is the problem? parted is your friend |
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| 14:46.19 | dustybin | when one cats something, what is the difference between > and >> ? |
| 14:46.21 | kqr | mz: so there should be no problem? |
| 14:46.33 | kqr | dustybin: >> adds to existing content, afaik |
| 14:46.43 | dustybin | right i see |
| 14:46.43 | kqr | dustybin: probably is some more elegant explanation x] |
| 14:46.47 | harpal | what package for dcc? I try to search it but there is no dcc :( |
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| 14:48.58 | mhymn | !tell harpal -about search |
| 14:49.45 | craigevil | DCC? thats built into most irc clients |
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| 14:51.25 | harpal | craigevil: Not that dcc. dcc is used as plugin in spamassassin and its available in package. Other distros have that :D |
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| 14:52.47 | trumpen | is there something more minimal than fluxbox? I am trying to reduce the suspend time by reducing the amount of memory being used |
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| 14:54.08 | mz | trumpen: blackbox |
| 14:54.41 | mz | but the problem is xorg, not some byte of difference between flux and black box |
| 14:54.47 | aadil | trumpen, twm |
| 14:54.49 | aadil | :3 |
| 14:56.51 | trumpen | mz, aadil thanks both ;) |
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| 14:57.06 | aadil | np |
| 14:57.07 | trumpen | mz, the problem is that I need x.org :( |
| 14:57.28 | aadil | if u really want to thank me, send me a reliable mail-order bride website link |
| 14:57.30 | aadil | ;) |
| 14:57.55 | aadil | doesnt know what to do with his xmas bonus and is bored |
| 14:57.59 | aadil | :3 |
| 14:58.24 | craigevil | realdolls they dont say no :), sorry OT |
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| 14:58.48 | trumpen | aadil, lol, can't help you sorry ;) |
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| 14:59.11 | aadil | craigevil, if the dolls can cook then show meh the link! |
| 14:59.14 | aadil | ;) |
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| 14:59.52 | craigevil | nope but they look damn real, providing you have $5k to waste |
| 15:00.06 | aadil | http://datingeast.com/d.cgi?6641A72452331196.27.81.2311230042540 <-- she's ok |
| 15:00.08 | aadil | :3 |
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| 15:00.49 | aadil | well, i take it u speak from experience |
| 15:00.51 | aadil | ;) |
| 15:00.53 | hoxu | !offtopic |
| 15:00.54 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 15:01.29 | aadil | pff |
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| 15:05.44 | somedude | how can i set my resolution to 1080p |
| 15:06.01 | saulus | Has there been a change in vservers possibly affecting my samba-vserver? win-boxes cant find the samba domain because of missing dns entry _ldap._tcp-dc._msdcs.MYDOMAIN - But it worked before. |
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| 15:08.26 | somedude | how can i set resolutiont 1900x1080 |
| 15:11.34 | somedude | anyone |
| 15:12.16 | mhymn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
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| 15:14.30 | flixil | mhymn: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask me that question now, i have to do it by hand modifying xorg.conf |
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| 15:18.57 | Texou | hi :) |
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| 15:20.51 | fender | hi |
| 15:21.22 | SPF | are usb framework functions used in the usb driver itself or in the program using the usb device? |
| 15:21.39 | SPF | according to: http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/Par/arch/usb/usbdoc/node18.html |
| 15:21.52 | fender | hald |
| 15:21.54 | fender | hald? |
| 15:22.16 | Texou | when I run virtualbox, I get: "The version of the Virtualbox-kernel-modules and the version of vbox application are not matching" |
| 15:22.27 | Texou | do you know why? |
| 15:22.30 | Texou | I use lenny |
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| 15:26.13 | mhymn | !dbugs #502346 |
| 15:26.13 | Texou | no idea? :) |
| 15:26.17 | dpkg | DONE:#502346:W[virtualbox-ose] virtualbox-ose-modules package older than virtualbox-ose (); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:57:01 UTC [502539 504353] |
| 15:26.42 | knighthk | I just want to quickly be able to send mail; I have no MX-records set up so I will not directly recieve mail. What is the easiest to set up? |
| 15:27.09 | mhymn | Texou: you might want to give google a try! just paste that error and you'll find the solution ;) |
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| 15:27.31 | Texou | mhymn: ok I'm doing this while asking :) |
| 15:28.06 | craigevil | did you build a new vbox kernel module after updating virtualbox |
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| 15:33.34 | Fulgore | hello |
| 15:33.35 | Fulgore | does anyone know how to link a linux server to a openldap server ? |
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| 15:34.58 | saivin | hi could you please help me with audio and video in JWM? |
| 15:35.23 | saivin | it gives error saying codecs/plugins not available. |
| 15:35.45 | saivin | but the same files open in same program in GNOME/LXDE... |
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| 15:37.16 | klync | anyone using amanda? i installed the client, which doesn't set up a user "amanda" ... wondering if the user "backup" is apropriate |
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| 15:38.18 | saivin | hi nobody uses JWM on debian? |
| 15:38.33 | Hideme_ | Evolution appears to check my mail, it receives from a few accounts, but none under a specific ISP. Started happening after it lost passwords for no reason, I see the pop connection attempt, no errors. Does it log connection attempts, if so where? |
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| 15:39.12 | elijahwright | Fulgore: libpam-ldap, install and configure |
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| 15:39.29 | elijahwright | you'll probably want libnss-ldap as well |
| 15:39.36 | gianfranco | ciao |
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| 15:39.55 | Fulgore | i don't know elijahwright , i want to have auth on my server |
| 15:39.55 | gianfranco | !list |
| 15:39.56 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to gianfranco |
| 15:40.00 | Fulgore | i will check what you gave me |
| 15:40.02 | Fulgore | thanks |
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| 15:40.55 | gianfranco | lst |
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| 15:43.03 | Texou | oh I dont understand anything! :D |
| 15:43.10 | Tekno | how can i make screensaver to run command |
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| 15:43.30 | saivin | there must be somebody who uses JWM on debian |
| 15:43.41 | saivin | please help |
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| 15:44.44 | saivin | :( |
| 15:44.56 | mhymn | just ask |
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| 15:46.17 | gsamsa | i start X with startx |
| 15:46.29 | gsamsa | where is the xinitrc ? |
| 15:46.29 | mohadib | fine work |
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| 15:49.14 | saivin | part #debian |
| 15:49.24 | mhymn | gsamsa: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ? |
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| 15:50.52 | gsamsa | mhymn: the file has nothing |
| 15:51.00 | Ace2016_- | is it possible to blacklist certain packages so that they will never be installed? |
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| 15:51.09 | flixil | This is a lovely story... I love it :) http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
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| 15:51.49 | saivin | isn't there anybody using JWM on debian? |
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| 15:52.50 | craigevil | whats JWM? |
| 15:53.14 | craigevil | jesuswindowmanager |
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| 15:55.09 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, i've been asked to set up an enterprise level FTP server for my company... however i'm not really sure what product to use (i've only used VSFTPD in the past) or how to set up permissions for it. Can you offer any advice? |
| 15:55.21 | elijahwright | pure-ftp is pretty awesome |
| 15:55.39 | elijahwright | and is nicely packaged. |
| 15:55.42 | Heavy-D | yeah? hrmm |
| 15:55.51 | Spida | Heavy-D: what defines "enterprise level" for you? |
| 15:56.09 | elijahwright | you will definitely want to read the manpages to figure out the debianized config of it - but once that's in place, you're golden. |
| 15:56.10 | jelly | "must be expensive, halfassed and buggy" |
| 15:56.38 | gsamsa | hi, how does startx know which window manager to start if it isnt specified in the xinitrc ? |
| 15:56.43 | Heavy-D | Well I guess that might have been incorrect wording, but I basically need to know how to set up the permissions properly |
| 15:57.44 | mattinator | gsamsa, In your x.org.config? |
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| 16:01.08 | lassiethebrave | So, I'm upgrading a lenny system that hasn't been upgraded in a while and it it stops on libpam0g after restarting a bunch of services it just says: "underprocess post-installation script returned error 9" (my own translation to english...) I would enjoy beeing able to upgrade this system... |
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| 16:17.40 | lassiethebrave | Allow me to rephrase, where would i find out what error 9 would mean comming from the post-installation script for libpam0g, so that I could file the correct bug-report against this package? |
| 16:18.50 | asg | lassiethebrave: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.postinst |
| 16:18.55 | stew | lassiethebrave: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam0g.postinst |
| 16:19.26 | stew | lassiethebrave: you might edit the postinst and add "set -x" to the top of the script, so that it tells you what it is doing when it fails |
| 16:19.44 | Texou | hmmm |
| 16:19.45 | lassiethebrave | thank you stew! |
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| 16:24.26 | Texou | is it normal modprobe -r module says: "module not found" wheras it's loaded? |
| 16:24.59 | cahoot | checked typing/spelling? |
| 16:25.18 | asg | Texou: make sure you don't have the '.ko' at the end |
| 16:25.36 | Texou | asg: I dont have :x |
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| 16:27.53 | gsamsa | please, can someone help me finding out how is my x starting? |
| 16:28.50 | newsense | gsamsa, and you dont want it to start than ? |
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| 16:29.38 | gsamsa | newsense: it is starting fluxbox but there is no fluxbox reference in xinitrc |
| 16:29.42 | asg | gsamsa: check the various files in /etc/X11 |
| 16:29.50 | gsamsa | asg: checked them |
| 16:30.21 | craigevil | what do you want to start? |
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| 16:30.51 | asg | gsamsa: do you have a ~/.xsession file? |
| 16:31.01 | alfatau | hello, i'm looking for a reliable way to detect a dialup connection active. when traffic is high, ping sometimes produces "unknown host" results. i tried pinging both with tos at 0x04 and 0x20 and 0x24, but the trouble rests. I also tried adding some timeout/deadline waiting time, the trouble is less frequent, but rests. isn't there a way to bypass the traffic congestion and give max priority to ic |
| 16:31.01 | alfatau | mp packages? thanks |
| 16:31.11 | gsamsa | craigevil: i want to find out why it is starting fluxbox |
| 16:31.23 | craigevil | if your not using gdm/kdm you can do update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 16:31.29 | gsamsa | asg: i don't have a ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc |
| 16:32.14 | gsamsa | craigevil: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 16:32.15 | gsamsa | Sem alternativas para x-session-manager. |
| 16:32.24 | gsamsa | "no alternatives to x-session-manager" |
| 16:32.39 | asg | gsamsa: what about x-window-manager |
| 16:32.51 | Tekno | hello |
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| 16:33.08 | lassiethebrave | gsamsa: and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc doesn't mention fluxbox? |
| 16:33.31 | gsamsa | lassiethebrave: no |
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| 16:34.00 | gsamsa | but it mentions /etc/X11/Xsession . it is a script, but it has no reference to fluxbox. |
| 16:34.06 | Ruadh | brb |
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| 16:35.28 | lassiethebrave | gsamsa: Xsession.d ? |
| 16:35.52 | gsamsa | what about it |
| 16:36.14 | lassiethebrave | do any of the files in there mention fluxbox? |
| 16:36.19 | gsamsa | no |
| 16:36.26 | gsamsa | ah wait |
| 16:36.27 | gsamsa | maybe |
| 16:36.30 | gsamsa | i'll check |
| 16:36.32 | asg | gsamsa: does 'update-alternatives --list x-window-manager' list flux |
| 16:36.49 | adb | gsamsa: ls -l /etc/alternatives/ | grep x-win |
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| 16:36.53 | gsamsa | update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 16:36.54 | gsamsa | /usr/bin/startfluxbox |
| 16:36.54 | gsamsa | /usr/bin/stumpwm |
| 16:37.21 | asg | so, use u-a --config to choose the one you want |
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| 16:40.22 | gsamsa | asg: so debian doesn't really use a .xinitrc file? |
| 16:40.44 | gsamsa | how do i start programs with x then? |
| 16:40.58 | asg | gsamsa: it can if you want it to. The preference is to use ~/.xsession though |
| 16:41.04 | lassiethebrave | gsamsa: you use a .xinitrc file... |
| 16:41.21 | gsamsa | lassiethebrave: yeah, but only to start Xsession |
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| 16:42.28 | Zambezi | Shouldn't Debian Etch Netinstall r4 be able to detect an old NEC DVD+RW? Cause it's not. It's booting, installation starts, but it fails at that part detecting the DVD-drive. |
| 16:42.48 | gsamsa | asg, lassiethebrave, adb thanks. |
| 16:43.11 | psys | someone has done in the debian AD authentication? |
| 16:44.13 | psys | AD users are having trouble connecting with linux |
| 16:44.19 | psys | ssh very slow |
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| 16:44.42 | psys | seven minutes to connect |
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| 16:45.17 | d-b | psys: debian ad ? |
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| 16:45.50 | adb | gsamsa: take a look in /etc/xdg/ for autostart.sh or so |
| 16:46.03 | d-b | chech your dns |
| 16:46.17 | psys | debian authentication in AD via kerberos+winbind |
| 16:46.21 | lassiethebrave | wtf? I am clearly to dumb to read bash scripts: post-installation of libpam0g returns error code 9 but the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam0g.postinst has no line reading return 9... |
| 16:46.38 | psys | i checked |
| 16:46.52 | d-b | mmm odd ssh is slow ? |
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| 16:47.22 | d-b | -> i have only done this with samba4 for fun... |
| 16:47.25 | psys | i dont know |
| 16:47.30 | psys | local user no have problems |
| 16:47.34 | stew | lassiethebrave: show us the output of "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam0g.postinst configure" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:47.43 | psys | but ad users |
| 16:47.47 | d-b | traceroute /mtr / dns digging... |
| 16:47.55 | lassiethebrave | stew: coming; |
| 16:48.06 | d-b | -> is ssh using kerberos? |
| 16:48.46 | psys | ssh r using authentication via PAM |
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| 16:52.18 | lassiethebrave | stew: http://pastebin.com/m3998155b |
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| 16:54.41 | stew | lassiethebrave: that's the entire output? |
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| 16:56.55 | lassiethebrave | setw: yup... her's the one of apt-get upgrade after adding set -x to the file however: http://pastebin.com/m465df1e6 |
| 16:58.12 | stew | lassiethebrave: oh, so the problem is that you are trying to use a graphical frontend for DEBCONF |
| 16:58.12 | lassiethebrave | sorry ---^ I'm typing on a acer aspire one with slightly too big fingers... |
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| 16:58.36 | stew | lassiethebrave: try running "DEBCONF_FRONTEND=dialog dpkg --configure -a" |
| 16:58.52 | lassiethebrave | stew: I was not aware that I was trying to do that... (heh...) will do! |
| 16:59.00 | jelly | would add DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer, too |
| 16:59.02 | stew | lassiethebrave: or running "DEBCONF_FRONTEND=dialog dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and choose "dialog" instead of whatever you hvae now? qt? |
| 16:59.28 | jelly | and a set -x _in the file_ |
| 16:59.41 | jelly | since debconf does the whole wrapper thingy |
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| 17:05.09 | lassiethebrave | stew: Qt indeed, and that worked splendidly! but should it really work that way? I meen it already fellback to the ncurses thinghy once why couldn't it just do that again? oh well it's working now anyways. thank you all! |
| 17:06.17 | stew | lassiethebrave: no, debconf didn't fall back onto ncurses, something else used ncurses, probably ucf |
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| 17:06.47 | lassiethebrave | stew: what's ucf? |
| 17:07.28 | stew | lassiethebrave: a way for package maintainers to upgrade config files while taking into account that the user might have made configuration file changes that they want to keep |
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| 17:07.38 | backslash7 | Hey guys |
| 17:08.09 | backslash7 | I'm trying to get compiz-fusion running on my freshly installed Debian laptop but I'm having some issues... |
| 17:08.28 | backslash7 | I got a XGL session running, glxgears and fglrxinfo are okay |
| 17:08.30 | lassiethebrave | stew: debian sure has an awesome way of handling packages(!) |
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| 17:08.45 | backslash7 | But when I try to compiz --replace X server crashes.... |
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| 17:09.03 | paxcoder | how to chown of . (hidden) stuff? |
| 17:09.06 | backslash7 | /tmp/compiz.log says: "Checking for Xgl: not present" |
| 17:09.20 | backslash7 | All help really appreciated! |
| 17:09.44 | paxcoder | backslash: what driver are you using? |
| 17:09.53 | backslash7 | paxcoder, fglrx (ati card) |
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| 17:10.30 | backslash7 | And I'm in a session that is started by a script I wrote according to a howto, Xgl -fullscreen .... and so on so it's gotta be Xgl running! |
| 17:11.08 | jelly | um... does Xgl still exist? |
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| 17:11.11 | stew | yikes Xgl? |
| 17:11.38 | stew | backslash7: why are you using Xgl instead of the X server that comes with debian? |
| 17:11.40 | backslash7 | um... I guess so? I used it on the same laptop under Ubuntu and Arch Linux ^^ |
| 17:12.01 | backslash7 | I don't know I did it with 2 other distros (Ubuntu = debian based) and the howtos on the net told me to |
| 17:12.07 | paxcoder | stew, jelly, do you know how to chown hidden stuff? |
| 17:12.27 | jelly | paxcoder: hidden? |
| 17:12.39 | paxcoder | those beginning with a dot |
| 17:12.46 | paxcoder | wildcard * doesn't do it |
| 17:12.46 | backslash7 | paxcoder, Where's the problem? |
| 17:12.57 | jelly | paxcoder: .* |
| 17:13.02 | paxcoder | no |
| 17:13.04 | asg | paxcoder: find(1) + xargs(1) (Works in a pinch) |
| 17:13.04 | jelly | yes |
| 17:13.06 | backslash7 | chown root:root .foo |
| 17:13.22 | paxcoder | i need a wildcard |
| 17:13.30 | jelly | paxcoder: .* |
| 17:13.34 | backslash7 | .* doesn't do it? |
| 17:13.35 | paxcoder | i need .* but that doesn't work |
| 17:13.38 | backslash7 | :O |
| 17:13.44 | jelly | worksforme |
| 17:13.48 | backslash7 | metoo |
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| 17:14.16 | paxcoder | chown user. .* |
| 17:14.18 | paxcoder | doesn't work |
| 17:14.19 | backslash7 | Can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 17:14.28 | jelly | paxcoder: how does it not work? |
| 17:14.38 | paxcoder | jelly: the thing remains the same |
| 17:14.44 | paxcoder | oh wait |
| 17:14.54 | jelly | paxcoder: are you root? |
| 17:14.56 | paxcoder | i forgot -R |
| 17:15.07 | backslash7 | Help appreciated....! |
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| 17:15.57 | paxcoder | WTH why is recursive exiting the dir!? |
| 17:16.11 | backslash7 | exiting? |
| 17:16.17 | jelly | backslash7: howtos might be outdated or incorrect for debian. |
| 17:16.22 | paxcoder | it's changing ownership of .. |
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| 17:16.25 | jelly | backslash7: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:16.28 | paxcoder | freakin crap |
| 17:16.28 | unop | paxcoder, what's the error messageyou get? |
| 17:16.34 | backslash7 | jelly, So actually, I don't even have to use Xgl I could just use the default xorg ? |
| 17:16.34 | paxcoder | nothing, unop |
| 17:16.44 | backslash7 | jelly, Lenny |
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| 17:17.23 | unop | paxcoder, maybe chown -Rv user .* |
| 17:17.31 | paxcoder | ok, i'm really mad. IT exited the directory I was in and started doing crazy stuff |
| 17:17.42 | unop | crazy stuff? |
| 17:17.46 | paxcoder | verbose tells me so |
| 17:17.55 | paxcoder | well, it's changing permisssions to another user's home dirs |
| 17:17.59 | paxcoder | freakin thing |
| 17:18.02 | backslash7 | crazy as in drawing pictures, surfing the net, installing software |
| 17:18.23 | paxcoder | !!!!!!!! |
| 17:18.24 | jelly | backslash7: then yes, fglrx is AIGLX capable and the normal X server ought to work |
| 17:18.28 | unop | paxcoder, it might be down to the glob .* matching .. too |
| 17:18.34 | backslash7 | jelly, :O That'd be great! |
| 17:18.43 | paxcoder | unop: well, kinda too late to say now, is it |
| 17:18.49 | backslash7 | jelly, Uhm.... You don't happen to know a good howto for that do you? |
| 17:18.58 | unop | paxcoder, is it? you can always revert |
| 17:19.00 | paxcoder | ok, i think i can revert it |
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| 17:19.09 | paxcoder | but i need to know how to do that first thing |
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| 17:19.22 | jelly | backslash7: um. "start x, run compiz"? |
| 17:19.31 | lassiethebrave | paxcoder: chown user:group ./*. would have worked much better... |
| 17:19.32 | Zambezi | Why can't Debian dectect my NEC DVD+RW (IDE)? I'm getting redscreen during installation. |
| 17:19.34 | jelly | paxcoder: what are you really trying to do? |
| 17:19.45 | unop | paxcoder, chown -Rv user .[^.]* |
| 17:19.45 | paxcoder | darnit, you're right lassiethebrave |
| 17:19.46 | backslash7 | So I just run my normal session and use "compiz --replace" to use compiz??? |
| 17:19.47 | backslash7 | jelly, |
| 17:19.51 | Nyha | Can I rebuld a specific module for the debian kernel? |
| 17:19.55 | paxcoder | lassiethebrave: actually, you're not |
| 17:19.56 | jelly | paxcoder: why not chown the whole current directory and its contents? |
| 17:20.00 | paxcoder | it'st the same |
| 17:20.05 | paxcoder | jelly: tell me how |
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| 17:20.14 | jelly | paxcoder: chown -R username . |
| 17:20.14 | paxcoder | as i said wildcard * doesn't work for hidden stuff |
| 17:20.27 | unop | paxcoder, indeed - that's normal |
| 17:20.31 | jelly | paxcoder: no need for wildcards |
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| 17:20.38 | lassiethebrave | backslash7: that might very well work. |
| 17:20.55 | backslash7 | okay... I'll try |
| 17:20.59 | paxcoder | jelly: thanks, your thing works i think |
| 17:21.00 | backslash7 | thanks guys bai |
| 17:21.11 | paxcoder | hope it didn't exit /home before i stopped it the first time |
| 17:21.46 | paxcoder | thanks peeps. |
| 17:21.47 | paxcoder | Jesus bless |
| 17:21.54 | unop | jelly, are you also known as jellyuk or jelly_uk? |
| 17:21.56 | paxcoder | Marry Christmas. |
| 17:22.06 | jelly | unop: nope |
| 17:22.21 | Majesticcc | Merrix Christmas! |
| 17:22.34 | Majesticcc | Or rather, MarrUX :=) |
| 17:22.37 | jelly | unop: maybe if I were in uk, I'd be jelly-uk |
| 17:23.16 | unop | jelly, ok, just wondering - can't remember if it was you or another person who helped me out with a partition table issue a few weeks back |
| 17:24.16 | jelly | unop: judging by my logs, that seems to have been me. |
| 17:24.53 | jelly | Nov 26th or so |
| 17:25.20 | unop | jelly, ohh, was it? as a result of a command like this zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda ? |
| 17:25.38 | unop | jelly, that's sounds about the right time, yea |
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| 17:26.44 | unop | jelly, I took your advice and bought a new harddrive, made a clone of the existing one - but have been quite unsuccessful at recovering any of the data - tried fdisk to recreate the tables, testdisk, gpart, etc, etc all to no avail |
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| 17:27.41 | Majesticcc | Ubuntu is like commercial offshoot but likes to introduce bugs not found in Debian and they dont seem to be willing to update software. reminds me of something else :P |
| 17:28.10 | jelly | Majesticcc: don't seem to be willing to update?! They release every 6 months on the clock? |
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| 17:28.49 | Majesticcc | Their current 8.04 and 8.10 contains a whole lot of software that requires updating (like in Debian) |
| 17:29.14 | newsense | they contribute nothing to the kernel itself |
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| 17:29.46 | Majesticcc | They dont do this so upstreamers gets a whole lot of "this doesnt work" but in reality they should have updated software over a year ago |
| 17:29.59 | JoshH | they just don't update stuff outside the "main" repo, iirc |
| 17:30.01 | newsense | or if they do they dont send bugfixes upstream |
| 17:30.43 | dob1 | i have a sempron processor which kernel image i have to choose? i686? |
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| 17:30.58 | Majesticcc | They seem to add bad patches as well so that upstream gets odd emails that have not been seen from any other dists |
| 17:31.08 | dob1 | or amd64? |
| 17:31.31 | Majesticcc | I have recieved a few hundred now |
| 17:32.16 | JoshH | well, it is the most popular distro now |
| 17:32.33 | Majesticcc | Until you get to the server side |
| 17:32.41 | Majesticcc | Its just broken there |
| 17:33.07 | JoshH | not really, lots of LTS servers out there |
| 17:33.13 | Majesticcc | Im the meantime i cant just disregard the users. This is so uncool of them |
| 17:33.23 | JoshH | but the way that the LTS only updates "main" stuff is lame |
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| 17:33.51 | raz0 | dob1, amd64 is good |
| 17:33.51 | Majesticcc | Check this Josh: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/misc/Intrepid_Ibex_errors.txt |
| 17:34.13 | Majesticcc | These are all confirmed and reported, yet nothing happens |
| 17:34.32 | JoshH | wtf is gadmin |
| 17:34.50 | Majesticcc | Thats about many programs |
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| 17:35.01 | Majesticcc | gadmin is from gadmintools.org |
| 17:35.21 | Majesticcc | samba, proftpd, squid, crond etc are other things |
| 17:35.31 | Majesticcc | rsync another |
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| 17:36.52 | jelly | unop: eh, too bad; you can still give an image to a professional service, if it's valuable |
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| 17:37.41 | Majesticcc | JoshH: Its politics with the proftpd non secure for example ? |
| 17:38.08 | JoshH | i don't know what you mean by that |
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| 17:38.57 | Majesticcc | where the governments wants to apply some pressure it seems |
| 17:39.07 | Majesticcc | Tapping and so on |
| 17:39.09 | jelly | Majesticcc: this channel is for debian help, not $other_distro bashing |
| 17:39.14 | JoshH | still not sure what you are talking about |
| 17:39.28 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 17:39.28 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:40.08 | Majesticcc | jelly: im not bashing, im using it and see why things dont work as they should today because these things replicate across the OSS field. Even to upstream. |
| 17:40.29 | Majesticcc | dpkg: ok, but this is very important to many |
| 17:40.30 | dpkg | Majesticcc: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:40.36 | Majesticcc | ah |
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| 17:40.41 | stoned | Majesticcc, dpkg is a bot |
| 17:40.41 | jelly | Majesticcc: it's still offtopic in a debian support channel; and dpkg is a bot |
| 17:40.47 | Majesticcc | All hail the dpkg! :) |
| 17:40.50 | stoned | good morning |
| 17:40.50 | Majesticcc | Yes |
| 17:40.52 | Majesticcc | hehe |
| 17:40.55 | unop | jelly, i got in touch with a few professional services - they've said they can recover the data but the original file names are not guaranteed??? and they charge about £400 (which is a lot to me ATM) - so i went looking for some windows recovery software and found one that's recovering what it can (no filenames still) |
| 17:40.55 | Majesticcc | Morning |
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| 17:40.59 | stoned | whats going on in the world of #debian |
| 17:41.31 | d-b | you |
| 17:41.32 | stoned | unop, thats really cheap for data recovery |
| 17:41.42 | beardy | Everyone is waiting for the holiday permasunday. |
| 17:41.55 | Majesticcc | unop: datas and filenames are separated so you cannot assure it |
| 17:41.58 | stoned | I charge upwards of 2K USD or more |
| 17:42.00 | jelly | unop: if you have recreated the exact partition table, you could have some luck trying to fsck using an alternate superblock image |
| 17:42.07 | stoned | heh |
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| 17:42.13 | unop | stoned, i suppose if it were for a business .. but i can't afford that on a student budget :) |
| 17:42.28 | dtcrshr | holy crap... iv just deleted an archive from nautilus, its not on the recycler, did i permanently lost it? |
| 17:42.30 | d-b | unop: sure you can ^^ |
| 17:42.40 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.44 | beardy | Deleting things has that effect. |
| 17:42.44 | stoned | unop, of course I understand, but doing it yourself is good, just image the disk and keep play with it instead of the original disk |
| 17:42.50 | beardy | Take a computer abc course. |
| 17:42.50 | d-b | dtcrshr: yep. |
| 17:42.52 | jelly | dtcrshr: if the disk is in use, yeah, pretty much |
| 17:42.54 | stoned | unop, and learn/experiment yourself |
| 17:42.56 | unop | jelly, that was my first procedure - but fsck didn't recover much except a lot of garbage |
| 17:43.01 | dtcrshr | oh ok |
| 17:43.14 | dtcrshr | i can download the file again, its not critical |
| 17:43.14 | unop | stoned, that's exactly what i've been doing |
| 17:43.20 | stoned | unop, good man |
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| 17:43.38 | dtcrshr | how exactly does this recycler works then? only if i move the file to it, like a folder? |
| 17:43.41 | Majesticcc | dd the disk to another drive or partition then you can try recovery techniques that exist on the webs |
| 17:44.03 | unop | Majesticcc, aye aye, that's what i did |
| 17:44.09 | Majesticcc | didnt work ? |
| 17:44.36 | Majesticcc | why didnt you have a backup ? |
| 17:44.39 | unop | Majesticcc, having mixed results - i can recover files but no filenames |
| 17:44.49 | unop | Majesticcc, long story that .. |
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| 17:45.00 | Majesticcc | Same on windows btw.. all filesystems are like that i think |
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| 17:45.20 | jelly | unop: you could also try to ask the ext3-users for help with giving good answers to fsck |
| 17:45.29 | jelly | unop: er... ext3-users mailing list |
| 17:45.59 | Majesticcc | unop: i use gadmin-rsync to backup over the interwebs. Its been working goood :=) |
| 17:46.07 | unop | jelly, thanks, i might do that |
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| 17:46.36 | gartt | Why when installing something, it asks me to insert my Debian cd? Isn't apt-get supposed to fetch from the internet? (I just finished installation) |
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| 17:47.14 | unop | gartt, if your CD is included as a repository, it will be used instead |
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| 17:47.43 | unop | gartt, comment out the CD line from /etc/apt/sources.list and update apt |
| 17:48.04 | Majesticcc | unop: Do you know why you get kicked immideately if you say something is wrong and show it in #Ubuntu ? I mean i like the dist and would even more if it functioned perfectly :( |
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| 17:48.24 | gartt | unop: Thanks |
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| 17:48.54 | unop | Majesticcc, #ubuntu has strict rules (meaning, you can't upset the ops there) |
| 17:48.56 | unop | :) |
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| 17:49.04 | macjason0607 | hi all .. im having issues mounting my cdrom .. i get an error unable to mount /media/cdrom0 .. i looked in /media and i only see /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom1 |
| 17:49.19 | macjason0607 | should i mkdir it ? |
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| 17:49.41 | kqr | is there any cross-platform library that allows reading color values of pixels on screen? x] |
| 17:49.42 | Majesticcc | They are even holding back the gnome developers in some areas that users want. Oh, yeah... seems way too strict. So you cant really tell them how to fix stuff anywhere ? |
| 17:49.43 | unop | macjason0607, /dev/cdrom0 is usually only a symlink to the real device |
| 17:49.53 | macjason0607 | ok .. how could i fix this |
| 17:49.55 | Majesticcc | ^unop |
| 17:50.28 | unop | macjason0607, well, you could find out what the actual device is i.e. /dev/hdd and mount that instead |
| 17:50.54 | macjason0607 | ls -l /dev/ |grep cd |
| 17:51.03 | macjason0607 | it points to scd1 |
| 17:51.06 | macjason0607 | and scd0 |
| 17:51.08 | unop | Majesticcc, i dunno - i gave up on ubuntu a long time ago - because they changed too many things around |
| 17:51.25 | jelly | Majesticcc: please stop with ubuntu crap, and don't involve others in offtopic discussion here. |
| 17:51.49 | Majesticcc | jelly: we cant discuss and be human ? |
| 17:51.57 | unop | macjason0607, $ ls -l /dev/ | grep -i cdrom gives me brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2008-12-22 18:14 hdd |
| 17:52.01 | jelly | Majesticcc: no. we can support debian issues. |
| 17:52.05 | d-b | Majesticcc: see #debian-offtopic |
| 17:52.06 | Majesticcc | Okies |
| 17:52.44 | Majesticcc | d-b: If its as off-topic as fedora-offtopic id rather stay here and help with some Debian stuff if i can |
| 17:53.16 | d-b | Majesticcc: i have no idea about fedora-offtopic. |
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| 17:53.42 | Majesticcc | As soon as you talk off-topic from Fedora youll get kicked :=) |
| 17:53.47 | Majesticcc | No fun at all |
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| 17:54.27 | _ubuntoil | hello, I downloaded this image: http://chuangtzu.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso Is it the one I should hqve downloaded to install debiaan with a kde, given that I want the testing... |
| 17:54.30 | jelly | anything goes in #d-o ... except debian support |
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| 17:54.53 | unop | _ubuntoil, i would say, yes |
| 17:55.05 | Majesticcc | Cool, we built umu |
| 17:55.11 | macjason0607 | unop, mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 17:55.15 | Majesticcc | the buildings |
| 17:55.21 | _ubuntoil | unop: sorry if that sounds stupid, but there are so many images... |
| 17:55.38 | unop | macjason0607, that sounds fine - cdrom's are read-only/write-protected |
| 17:55.53 | unop | _ubuntoil, yes, usually you only need cd #1 from the set |
| 17:55.54 | macjason0607 | unop, .. it used to mount automatically |
| 17:55.55 | Majesticcc | and roads |
| 17:56.13 | _ubuntoil | unop: great, thank you... |
| 17:56.57 | gartt | I'm trying to install a package (rt2860-source for my wireless card) that's only in Sid. How can I find out what version I'm on, and how can I allow this package? |
| 17:56.57 | unop | macjason0607, you a gnome user? |
| 17:56.59 | d-b | Majesticcc: going to get kicked ? |
| 17:57.01 | macjason0607 | unop, yea |
| 17:57.17 | macjason0607 | /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 |
| 17:57.52 | unop | macjason0607, yea, i'm not sure how to check this out on gnome - somewhere under the preference menu (i think) - removable media i guess |
| 17:58.00 | Majesticcc | d-b: I hope not, i was just saying we built the University and others around the worlds. Im sorry if i offended you ? |
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| 17:58.39 | gartt | It's possible, isn't it? |
| 17:59.05 | unop | !tell gartt about version |
| 17:59.39 | unop | !tell gartt about backport |
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| 18:00.08 | Majesticcc | gartt: A module can also act like a program. "./modulename -version" ? |
| 18:00.26 | Majesticcc | plus path |
| 18:00.47 | gartt | Majesticcc, unop: Thanks |
| 18:00.51 | unop | Majesticcc, i think he wants to know version of debian .. but i also think modinfo is better suited for your case |
| 18:00.52 | Majesticcc | np |
| 18:01.27 | Majesticcc | I thin its the same thing almost, but uses ~strings if im not mistken |
| 18:03.57 | Shadow_Master | I'm using lenny, and trying to mark kdelibs for upgrade in Synaptic marks kdesdk, gnome-related and some unrelated packages for removal |
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| 18:04.52 | Shadow_Master | but those don't show up in the "auto removable" status filter |
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| 18:06.09 | macjason0607 | unop, can i sudo mkdir /media /cdrom0 .. will that work ? |
| 18:06.19 | gartt | unop: Hmm, in doing a search at backports.org, it shows rt2860-source not to be for any suites or architectures. Is there another method I should use? |
| 18:06.28 | Majesticcc | Shadow_Master: kdelibs is above the kde desklets? in the hirearchy so that seems correct i think |
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| 18:07.14 | Majesticcc | Shadow_Master: kdelibs is required by almost all kde packages 'K' |
| 18:07.18 | unop | macjason0607, no - /media/cdrom0 is usually created automatically by the HAL/gnome-volume-manager when mounting a cd |
| 18:07.44 | unop | gartt, ask dpkg about simple sid backport |
| 18:07.45 | Shadow_Master | Majesticcc: um? but what does it have to do with removal of unrelated packages? |
| 18:08.18 | Majesticcc | Shadow_Master: well, they wont work otherwise |
| 18:08.51 | Majesticcc | wo the kdelibs so its just weird to have them but cannot use them |
| 18:09.07 | Shadow_Master | *upgrading* kdelibs ? |
| 18:09.35 | Majesticcc | Oh, read it wrong... then they are obsoleted |
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| 18:10.06 | gartt | unop: Alright, so from what I understand, I should add "deb-src rt2860-source" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then update to allow it to be able to install this package? |
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| 18:11.10 | Majesticcc | Heya Lassie! :=) |
| 18:11.30 | Majesticcc | goes for the theme song :) |
| 18:11.32 | gartt | Well, following the other steps of course- but when they say add "deb-src ...." they mean deb-src <packagename> ? |
| 18:12.07 | lassiethebrave | Majesticcc: hrm... thank you, I belive... |
| 18:12.15 | Majesticcc | Np |
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| 18:14.17 | dob1 | i installed a linux kernel image (2.6.26) from debian repository, it's right that now when it boots i see the time near every message? (i think it is the time) |
| 18:14.36 | dob1 | line [13.542342355] message |
| 18:14.40 | dob1 | *like |
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| 18:14.50 | puff | I just spent a day _moving_ data from one drive to another (both in USB enclosures), only to have the second drive start that click of death... so I had to laboriously rsync it back, unplugging the dying drive and letting it cool down every time it started clicking. Okay, now I'm back at square one, the data is back on the reliable drive but I need to get it off that drive. I have four more drives I can put in the second USB e |
| 18:14.50 | puff | nclosure, but how do I make sure the next drive isn't going to die on me? |
| 18:14.53 | Majesticcc | 2.6.27.10 is the latest |
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| 18:15.19 | Majesticcc | Sorry, lfs habit :) |
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| 18:15.45 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.59 | Majesticcc | LinuxFromScratch |
| 18:16.02 | dob1 | he likes to compile everithing |
| 18:16.16 | Majesticcc | .org |
| 18:17.03 | adb | thx Majesticcc |
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| 18:17.10 | Majesticcc | Enhancing the process isnt bad, np |
| 18:18.29 | unop | gartt, no, you need a deb-src of the sid repository in there |
| 18:18.35 | lassiethebrave | What am I missing if gdm fails to start any xsession at all? (xsession-errors just says: Executing [path to ex. startfluxbox, wmii, dwm, startkde, anything here] failed, will try to run x-terminal-emulator) |
| 18:18.41 | Majesticcc | Plus, if you know all configure options out and in and have compiled everything in and out youll immediately see whats wrong in the systems |
| 18:18.58 | unop | gartt, that way all the tools you use later on to backport your package know where to find the source for the package |
| 18:19.44 | unop | gartt, something like. deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 18:19.52 | Majesticcc | Do you like the new debian diff installer btw ? |
| 18:20.15 | gartt | unop: Perfect, thanks |
| 18:20.38 | Majesticcc | ~new. Ill be blunt to say its the best thing. |
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| 18:21.26 | hedgehoginfog | I'm using an Acer Laptop. How do I change the temperature at which its fan starts working? |
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| 18:22.03 | Majesticcc | hedgehoginfog: do you have the latest bios in it ? |
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| 18:22.22 | Majesticcc | BiHangOS :=) |
| 18:22.24 | unop | acerfand could help i think |
| 18:22.56 | hedgehoginfog | I'm not sure I have the latest, I've never changed it. |
| 18:23.29 | Majesticcc | hedgehoginfog: See if you can get and install the latest one. |
| 18:24.04 | Majesticcc | If they are behaving out of bounds its because nowdays they are released by the dozen. Not so much testings as required |
| 18:24.09 | lassiethebrave | unop: that doesn't seem to be a package do you know a good place to find it? |
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| 18:24.39 | macjason0607 | unop, /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 |
| 18:24.39 | macjason0607 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.45 | Majesticcc | hedgehoginfog: Wouldnt it be weird if the windows admin password was still: adm123 :P |
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| 18:25.03 | Majesticcc | or was it adm123456, cant remember |
| 18:25.21 | unop | lassiethebrave, acerfand you mean? |
| 18:25.31 | lassiethebrave | unop: indeed. |
| 18:25.56 | hedgehoginfog | Regardless of the amount of tabs open in Iceweasel the temperature immediately arises over 70 degrees when I use it. |
| 18:26.18 | unop | lassiethebrave, well, i just found this - so you might want to reconsider -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501137 |
| 18:26.19 | lassiethebrave | (I too have been wishing to control my acer aspire fan.) |
| 18:27.12 | Majesticcc | hedgehoginfog: This is a problem with your computers bios. But is see, maybe theres an Acer Aspire fan controller. Id imagine so |
| 18:27.23 | hedgehoginfog | What is it? Does that project have a page? Google tries to correct 'acerfand'. |
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| 18:27.33 | Majesticcc | Seek freshmeat.net |
| 18:27.36 | Majesticcc | to boot |
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| 18:28.19 | unop | hedgehoginfog, search strangenoises.org |
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| 18:28.22 | craigevil | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne?highlight=(one)|(Acer) |
| 18:28.52 | unop | hedgehoginfog, but you should be aware of the debian bug report before using it |
| 18:28.53 | LordIllpalazo | hello i have a problem with sensors i installed lm-sensors with aptitude runned sensors-detect and added the modules (i used this tutorial http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327) but still he gives me the error that he coudn't find any sensor what should is do? |
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| 18:29.36 | lassiethebrave | unop: hrm... that seems pretty scary, my problem is the opposite: I want the fan on almost full time when under AC power... |
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| 18:31.18 | Majesticcc | The first issue: unop seems unpleasant, the second seems to be the users fault or theres no loadable sensors module for that board or simply forgot to load it ;) |
| 18:31.44 | hedgehoginfog | I'm pretty happy with the noise it makes, I just want the fan to work always, not when the temperature is reachesd some certain value |
| 18:32.00 | unop | Majesticcc, in any case it's 'rudimentary' as the description says - so i would use it under due caution |
| 18:32.13 | Majesticcc | hedgehoginfog: I can adjust that in the bios settings, cant you ? |
| 18:32.25 | hedgehoginfog | nope... :( |
| 18:32.42 | Majesticcc | unop: Yes, i saw the lenovo safety issue in the source years ago |
| 18:32.57 | hedgehoginfog | I think I'll go with acerfand |
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| 18:33.25 | Majesticcc | hedgehoginfog: You should be very glad yournt using it with vista on it. Oh my Holyness the hornGawg :=) |
| 18:33.31 | Majesticcc | Complete mess |
| 18:33.47 | Majesticcc | ,crap =:) |
| 18:34.08 | amphi | hedgehoginfog: are you using the ondemand cpu freq governor? |
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| 18:34.39 | hedgehoginfog | I just don't undersand what that bug is about |
| 18:34.39 | hedgehoginfog | FANAUTO is the temperature (in Celsius Degrees) at or above which to turn the fan to auto, if it's currently off |
| 18:34.40 | hedgehoginfog | what's "turn the fan to auto" ??? |
| 18:34.58 | Majesticcc | d-b: its important to run a nice channel but its also very important to leave a few lines so that users feel they belong. |
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| 18:35.15 | hedgehoginfog | amphi: I'm not sure I know what that thing is. |
| 18:35.43 | amphi | hedgehoginfog: what does cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor say? |
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| 18:36.03 | hedgehoginfog | amphi: ondemand |
| 18:36.19 | amphi | that's as it should be |
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| 18:36.24 | hedgehoginfog | ok |
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| 18:36.31 | Majesticcc | amphi: these are "green" things but harm the user too much. Set it to 100% or you could just as well have bought a 100 MHz box |
| 18:36.34 | Aleons | hello, How can i change the uid of an user ?* |
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| 18:36.55 | Majesticcc | amphi: Maybe it should be used after the user have logged out.. i think |
| 18:37.00 | amphi | Majesticcc: eh? |
| 18:37.20 | Majesticcc | cpu scalings |
| 18:37.45 | Majesticcc | IE: increase or decrease the MHz the processor works at |
| 18:37.49 | hedgehoginfog | So, the major goal of using acerfand is to change the maximum temperature at which the fan starts working and doing so keep quite most of the time, right? |
| 18:37.55 | lassiethebrave | Aleons: man usermod |
| 18:38.01 | Aleons | thanks you |
| 18:38.03 | unop | Aleons, usermod has a -u option |
| 18:38.30 | unop | hedgehoginfog, mimimum* more like |
| 18:38.32 | avu | Majesticcc, the ondemand governor only throttles the CPU when there is nothing (much) to do anyway, so I don't see your point. |
| 18:38.34 | unop | minimum* |
| 18:38.41 | Majesticcc | usermod can alter all kinds of user settings |
| 18:38.43 | Zambezi | Is there a tutorial how to install Debian from a USB-drive (instead of DVD which doesn't work)? I can only find how to install Debian onto a USB-drive. |
| 18:39.00 | avu | although from reading the backlog, you might just be a troll |
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| 18:40.06 | unop | Zambezi, http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
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| 18:40.13 | Majesticcc | avu: itll take a second for it to realise that someone wants to use the processor. On windows with antivirus etc itll take up to 5 seconds not even including TCPA (Anti-Talibanjo thing) here |
| 18:40.52 | lassiethebrave | Zambezi: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 18:41.04 | avu | Majesticcc, it takes much less than a second actually. |
| 18:41.10 | amphi | Majesticcc: I have used the ondemand governor for years, without problem; it's the governor that intel recommends for their processors |
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| 18:41.29 | amphi | Majesticcc: ravings about windows and antivirus are quite irrelevant |
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| 18:41.35 | avu | indeed |
| 18:41.43 | unop | indeeed |
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| 18:41.57 | Aleons | so I have a problem with proftpd mysql, in the mysql i have set the uid and gid at 1777 i have usermod and groupmod www-data to change that but i have already Permission denied in my ftp when i create a file or directory and the directory is chown... |
| 18:42.00 | amphi | of course it's less than a second; in fact, it'ss tunable |
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| 18:42.35 | Majesticcc | amphi: yes it is, still TCPA aimed to protect only that OS is making all others slower |
| 18:42.46 | macjason0607 | ok cdrom is linked to cdrom0 now i don't know how .. i get another message .. Cold not connect to hal dameon .. anything ? |
| 18:42.55 | avu | Majesticcc, you're not making any sense |
| 18:42.56 | hedgehoginfog | unop: Is it true that the fan's speed depends on the temperature? |
| 18:43.07 | amphi | Majesticcc: what are you talking about? |
| 18:43.26 | amphi | !confuse Majesticcc |
| 18:43.26 | dpkg | No, them are their mushroom tomorrow, Majesticcc? trousers of the monarchy of tahiti with extra cheese |
| 18:43.55 | unop | hedgehoginfog, well, that's how most laptops are designed - the hotter the cputemp, the faster the fan ought to run - this is to conserve the battery |
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| 18:44.18 | Majesticcc | amphi: Thank you, i feel much breaster now when you have confused me :=) |
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| 18:44.29 | Majesticcc | avu: read. |
| 18:44.30 | amphi | Majesticcc: ;) |
| 18:44.33 | hedgehoginfog | I don't use the battery at all. My laptop crashes every 15 minutes :( That's what I want to get rid of |
| 18:44.34 | Majesticcc | :=) |
| 18:44.37 | Majesticcc | ;) |
| 18:44.43 | simonrvn | "breaster"? |
| 18:44.58 | grndslm | i can install debian with only the first dvd, right? |
| 18:45.00 | amphi | bustier? |
| 18:45.28 | Majesticcc | simonrvn: Its impolite of you to say so bustier ? |
| 18:45.30 | avu | grndslm, yes |
| 18:45.36 | grndslm | sweet |
| 18:45.48 | drazak | grndslm: you can install debian with the 100meg cd |
| 18:45.51 | drazak | or however big it is |
| 18:45.56 | drazak | as long as you have internet on the machine |
| 18:46.00 | gartt | I was told to use "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2860" for my wireless card here yesterday, but the last command m-a a-i rt2860 says: rt2860, what is rt2860? I'm not exactly sure what the last command does- would someone know? |
| 18:46.37 | Zambezi | lassiethebrave: Thanks! I'm downloading all the other files too now. I found some related thing when I search for netbooks. |
| 18:46.45 | alfatau | hello, how to set cron to launch target every n minutes? |
| 18:46.59 | avu | alfatau, read man 5 crontab |
| 18:47.13 | avu | alfatau, it's explained there, examples are also given I think |
| 18:47.19 | simonrvn | Majesticcc: i don't get that either. it's ok, i will eventually |
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| 18:47.34 | alfatau | thanks |
| 18:47.42 | Majesticcc | simonrvn: youre new to irkens ? |
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| 18:48.15 | Majesticcc | simonrvn: Just read between the lines and after some years youll get all |
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| 18:48.18 | simonrvn | irkens? |
| 18:48.34 | Majesticcc | simonrvn: IRC Inhabitants |
| 18:48.58 | Majesticcc | People of the Irken webz |
| 18:49.03 | Majesticcc | get it ? |
| 18:49.16 | lassiethebrave | gartt: rt2860 is a wireless chipset driver, and I know very little about module assistant... |
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| 18:49.24 | simonrvn | Majesticcc: i've been ircing for 6 years. |
| 18:49.32 | Majesticcc | nothings then |
| 18:49.33 | unop | gartt, that means m-a does not recognise that package -- which is probably right as that package only exists in sid |
| 18:49.47 | simonrvn | and i'm probably older than you are, and i don't consider breats impolite. |
| 18:49.55 | unop | gartt, m-a should however find it if you include the deb-src line and update apt |
| 18:49.56 | Majesticcc | but you are beginning to understand |
| 18:50.06 | Majesticcc | Subcontiously |
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| 18:50.43 | lassiethebrave | unop: is that an error message? how freakishly human... |
| 18:50.56 | simonrvn | the patronizing tone is unappreciated, too |
| 18:50.58 | Majesticcc | Aww, these humans! :=) |
| 18:51.05 | gartt | unop: I added: deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free previously though and updated. So would that mean it's another problem? |
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| 18:51.28 | unop | gartt, you don't have to use m-a to backport the package ... |
| 18:51.39 | unop | !tell gartt about simple sid backport |
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| 18:51.43 | simonrvn | breasts* |
| 18:52.04 | Majesticcc | Starfighter Delta 84, now gorgg oggenwolfs in 2042 |
| 18:52.16 | gartt | unop: Understood, I'm brand, brand new to debian and had gotten that advice yesterday, and way trying to combine it with your advice and the stuff from the bot |
| 18:52.48 | unop | gartt, m-a does pretty much the same thing really (and a few extra things) |
| 18:53.17 | gartt | unop: I've done all of those steps, but when I now try iwconfig, it doesn't show the card. Is this one of those things you need to turn off your eth0 card for or something? |
| 18:53.34 | Majesticcc | simonrvn: i like you, what you do ? |
| 18:53.47 | unop | gartt, did you install the package that was built in the last step? |
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| 18:54.32 | gartt | unop: You mean apt-get -b source rt2860-source ? It said there wasn't much to compile |
| 18:54.51 | unop | gartt, ok, what exactly does that say? |
| 18:55.23 | gartt | unop: That it might not have read it at all? |
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| 18:55.44 | unop | gartt, put the message up on a pastebin - let's have a look |
| 18:55.46 | Majesticcc | simonrvn: My name is Hanna the horse. You wish to learn ? |
| 18:56.05 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 18:56.05 | unop | Majesticcc, you deviate too much for this channel |
| 18:56.16 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 18:56.43 | hoxu | Majesticcc, please take your trolling elsewhere |
| 18:56.43 | Majesticcc | unop: I would like for this irken to fully understand. |
| 18:56.57 | gartt | unop: Sure, just give me a few minutes to clean it up (it's a lot of text) |
| 18:57.00 | Majesticcc | You mean, change nets :=) |
| 18:57.07 | jelly-one | Majesticcc, you're just going to get silenced this way |
| 18:57.13 | lassiethebrave | So It seems I can not get gdm nor kdm to start any xsession on this machine... the only content of xsession-errors is http://pastebin.com/m5618a331 |
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| 18:57.55 | sistvan | hi! i was trying to change my nic's mac address: "ifconfg ra0 down; ifconfig ra0 hw eth 00:..:00". Until this, everything goes well, but when "ifconfig ra0 up", the mac address resets to its original value. |
| 18:58.06 | simonrvn | lassiethebrave: does startfluxbox exist? |
| 18:58.22 | jelly-one | Majesticcc, join #debian-offtopic for unrelated stuff |
| 18:59.04 | sistvan | any help is appreciated |
| 19:00.10 | lassiethebrave | simonrvn: indeed and so does /usr/bin/startkde and any other thing I've tried so far, and yet it keeps failing... |
| 19:00.58 | simonrvn | then you'll have to look at what's causing them to fail |
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| 19:02.01 | simonrvn | sistvan: try setting it via a pre-up command in interfaces, and use ifup ra0. you trying to change it permanently? |
| 19:02.26 | unop | sistvan, add something like this to /etc/network/interfaces under the interface's section hwaddress ether DE:AD:BE:EF:CA:FE |
| 19:02.34 | lassiethebrave | simonrvn: indeed, running them from the xterm that replaces the xsession gives no other then the expected results... Is there any other place for error messages from Xsession? |
| 19:03.20 | gartt | unop: http://pastebin.com/m722deace There we go |
| 19:03.23 | Majesticcc | sistvan: Get ice.net. simonrvn: Are you still a microsoft gold partner employee like everyone sais ? |
| 19:03.28 | unop | sistvan, the interfaces(5) manpage has more |
| 19:04.34 | unop | gartt, do you have a file named rt2860-source_1.8.0.0-2_all.deb in the current directory? |
| 19:04.43 | simonrvn | lassiethebrave: the xorg log; those are usually sh scripts, so you can stick a set -x in them to see what's going on. use startx, and redirect th output to a file. |
| 19:04.51 | simonrvn | the |
| 19:04.55 | Majesticcc | simonrvn: is it true that you woted in favour of MS-OOXML instead of ODF format ? |
| 19:05.06 | troubled | simonrvn: fighting the good fight? |
| 19:05.07 | Majesticcc | voted! |
| 19:05.12 | simonrvn | mmm, my fave, deadbeefcafe |
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| 19:05.18 | simonrvn | troubled: always |
| 19:05.30 | gartt | unop: Yes- and some .dsc, .changes, .tar files of the same name too |
| 19:05.35 | troubled | unop: heh, thats actually a nice hwaddr |
| 19:05.41 | simonrvn | pick your battles, as people say |
| 19:05.50 | Majesticcc | Theres the microsofters on inbound |
| 19:05.56 | troubled | simonrvn: thought you could use a hand ;) |
| 19:06.01 | unop | gartt, then as root. dpkg -i rt2860*.deb |
| 19:06.13 | lassiethebrave | simonrvn: with startx everything works as it should... I'll give the xorg log a look. |
| 19:06.17 | unop | gartt, that should install the package |
| 19:06.29 | Majesticcc | gartt: stand down |
| 19:06.34 | gartt | unop: It's beginning to, I'll keep you posted. What do you think went wrong? |
| 19:06.41 | simonrvn | lassiethebrave: ORLY? hmm |
| 19:06.54 | Majesticcc | ssh |
| 19:07.13 | simonrvn | lassiethebrave: those also have a log, though it's usually just ~/.xsession-errors stuff |
| 19:07.25 | unop | gartt, nothing went wrong - the package was build all find according to "simple sid backport" - but you went on to do the module assistant stuff (which was unneeded) |
| 19:07.47 | unop | s/find/fine/ |
| 19:08.06 | unop | grr, i misspell too much |
| 19:08.06 | Majesticcc | How bad, microsoft in debian camp |
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| 19:08.23 | d-b | what ? Majesticcc |
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| 19:08.32 | Majesticcc | Noone complains... catch you on the next moon phase |
| 19:08.42 | gartt | unop: Ah, I see. Alrighty- it looks like it installed it fine. Now what? :P (iwconfig still doesn't show the card, if it should by now) |
| 19:09.04 | unop | gartt, does ifconfig -a list anything? |
| 19:09.16 | gartt | list: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 19:09.39 | gartt | ifconfig -a just shows eth0 and lo, not a wlan0 or anything |
| 19:09.48 | unop | gartt, as root, try this. modprobe rt2860 |
| 19:09.58 | gartt | FATAL: Module rt2860 not found. |
| 19:10.02 | unop | gartt, i'm guessing that's what the module is called |
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| 19:10.32 | gartt | lspci shows it at least: 02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 0701 |
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| 19:10.59 | unop | gartt, you'll have to find out what the module is called then. dpkg -L rt2860-source_1.8.0.0-2_all # might list it, under /lib perhaps |
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| 19:12.16 | unop | gartt, err, sorry. dpkg -L rt2860-source # ought to be enough |
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| 19:13.16 | gartt | http://pastebin.com/m47772708 |
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| 19:14.13 | unop | gartt, strange - what's in /usr/src/rt2860.tar.bz2 ? |
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| 19:15.47 | gartt | http://pastebin.com/d4fde8468 |
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| 19:16.56 | vvd | hello, sorry for being a little OT, do i need to configure before make when i changed CXXFLAGS env? |
| 19:17.42 | sistvan | simonrvn: no, only when connecting to a spec. network. |
| 19:17.44 | unop | gartt, really odd - doesn't look like the build procedure actually did any compiling -- i guess you'll have to follow the build procedure in modules/rt2860/README_STA |
| 19:18.26 | sistvan | unop: sorry, but the hwaddres is still unchanged |
| 19:18.26 | unop | gartt, and this also. /usr/share/doc/rt2860-source/README.Debian |
| 19:18.44 | gartt | unop: I'll read those and follow the steps. Thanks a lot for all the help |
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| 19:19.59 | unop | sistvan, well, as long as you have the right directive in the interfaces file, in the right section - i don't see why it doesn't change |
| 19:20.14 | unop | sistvan, you could try and use a pre-up command |
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| 19:22.35 | dcnoye | what is the default mail client for debian ? |
| 19:22.45 | dcnoye | (commandline) |
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| 19:24.01 | sistvan | unop: as i said, the address changes, just when "irconfig ra0 up", it resets. i've found nothing hwaddr related in /etc/network |
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| 19:25.22 | unop | dcnoye, $ dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which mail)) |
| 19:25.22 | unop | bsd-mailx: /usr/bin/bsd-mailx |
| 19:25.30 | troubled | dcnoye: mailx or "mail"? |
| 19:25.43 | dcnoye | i guess it's mailx |
| 19:25.49 | troubled | mutt is popular though |
| 19:26.15 | unop | sistvan, did or did you not add a hwaddr line in /etc/network/interface (there isn't one by default - you have to add one in) |
| 19:26.18 | unop | ? |
| 19:26.24 | troubled | mail is fine though if you just want to do a simple check of your /var/spool/mail/$username mailbox though |
| 19:26.27 | sistvan | i've added an 'iface ra0 inet static' and 'hwaddress ether 00..' . |
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| 19:27.15 | unop | sistvan, not sure then - as i said, you could try using a pre-up command - in the interfaces file itself |
| 19:27.28 | dcnoye | thanks all |
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| 19:29.06 | sistvan | unop: thank you for your patience, i'll try it |
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| 19:30.27 | LordIllpalazo | hello i have a problem with sensors i installed lm-sensors with aptitude runned sensors-detect and added the modules (i used this tutorial http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327) but still he gives me the error that he coudn't find any sensor what should is do? |
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| 19:33.11 | ktwilight_ | ya know what's strange, FF3 dies on me everytime i start it. but it's perfectly fine on my desktop machine. i've tried reinstalling, but it's still the same. any clues? |
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| 19:33.37 | troubled | try start it via strace |
| 19:33.40 | craigevil | do you have gtk-qt-engine installed? |
| 19:34.15 | hoxu | Kwitschibo, tried moving ~/.mozilla/... out of way and testing it then? |
| 19:34.31 | hoxu | ktwilight_, ^ that was for you (sorry to K_witschibo) |
| 19:34.40 | lassiethebrave | ktwilight_: if you're running lenny do check the permissions of ~/.mozilla |
| 19:35.14 | ktwilight_ | lassiethebrave, permissions is fine. sometimes it works fine, usually it doesn't. |
| 19:35.20 | troubled | well guys, i think we covered all the bases there :) |
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| 19:35.37 | ktwilight_ | hoxu, good thinking, i didn't do that, but i did create a new profile, and it works fine...strange huh? it has all the same extensions and all. |
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| 19:36.58 | zero-1 | I notice there are lots of mysql files under /var on my debian server that contain queries, and they are taking much space is there a safe way to remove them? |
| 19:37.08 | zero-1 | without braking the mysql server of course |
| 19:37.11 | hoxu | ktwilight_, you could try seeing if moving the session file helps (I don't remember the filename, but should be easy to find) |
| 19:37.22 | jelly | zero-1: where in /var? exactly |
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| 19:37.40 | troubled | zero-1: in /var/log/syslog by chance? |
| 19:37.40 | zero-1 | /var/log/mysql |
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| 19:37.43 | zero-1 | no |
| 19:37.49 | troubled | errr sorry mysql not system ;) |
| 19:38.04 | zero-1 | these are mysql-bin.xxxxxxx |
| 19:38.33 | troubled | you have log_bin enabled in your config |
| 19:38.53 | troubled | you can restore a full db very quickly by replaying that file |
| 19:38.55 | zero-1 | is that on the my.cf? |
| 19:38.58 | troubled | ya |
| 19:39.09 | zero-1 | ok, thing is we are running out of space here :S |
| 19:39.17 | ktwilight_ | hoxu, hmm, good thinking, lemme try |
| 19:39.18 | troubled | you can wipe it |
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| 19:39.30 | troubled | not while its running and using the file though |
| 19:39.37 | zero-1 | not really I tried once, and I broke the server |
| 19:39.48 | hoxu | ktwilight_, also, try safe mode to see if it's the extensions |
| 19:39.48 | zero-1 | I did when it was stopped and the server did not start again |
| 19:39.52 | troubled | you didnt disable the option first |
| 19:39.57 | zero-1 | ok |
| 19:40.01 | zero-1 | let me try |
| 19:40.09 | troubled | and I think there is a command to flush it as well |
| 19:40.23 | ktwilight_ | hoxu, if i would to try safe mode, would all my saved session tabs gone? |
| 19:40.44 | Komaniak | Please enter this site www.komaniak.xaa.pl |
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| 19:40.49 | zero-1 | what would that command be? |
| 19:41.05 | troubled | zero-1: man mysqlbinlog |
| 19:41.15 | hoxu | !ops Komaniak!n=admin@ehost-97.mtm-info.pl was spamming (and is still connected, so expect to see soon) |
| 19:41.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: Komaniak!n=admin@ehost-97.mtm-info.pl was spamming (and is still connected, so expect to see soon) |
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| 19:42.56 | RichiH | hoxu: thanks |
| 19:42.59 | hoxu | ktwilight_, I don't know, possibly. You should bookmark any tabs you want to keep around permanently anyway |
| 19:43.27 | hoxu | RichiH, thanks to you guys for keeping the network clean :) |
| 19:43.36 | RichiH | :) |
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| 19:45.29 | ktwilight_ | hoxu, good point :) |
| 19:45.39 | ktwilight_ | thanks for the suggestions! |
| 19:46.18 | hoxu | (also, back up your profile if you value it ;) |
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| 19:47.42 | stoned | RichiH, ping |
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| 19:50.55 | ktwilight_ | hoxu, always :) |
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| 19:55.22 | lassiethebrave | By damn, Gdm just doesn't want to work with me today would anybody care to tell me what they would do if their gmd wouldn't start any form of xsession? (the only error I get is this:http://pastebin.com/m460582c5) |
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| 19:57.23 | troubled | lassiethebrave: do you have a /usr/bin/gnome-session? |
| 19:57.37 | troubled | also, what happens when you just do a "startx" from the console |
| 19:59.52 | simonrvn | WorksForMe *shrug* |
| 19:59.56 | lassiethebrave | troubled: I've tried running fluxbox gnome kde wmii stumpwm all with the same results and all those files reffered to by the xsession-errors file exist, also startx works wonderfully. |
| 20:01.10 | troubled | lassiethebrave: so startx fires up fine and gives you a black/grey checkboard background with an X cursor? |
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| 20:03.05 | lassiethebrave | troubled: No, startx gives me what I have written in ~/.xinitrc (fluxbox, but I've tried all of the other wm/de:s I've got installed too without errors...). |
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| 20:05.06 | troubled | lassiethebrave: what happens if you start gdm? |
| 20:05.27 | troubled | specifically: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 20:05.49 | simonrvn | lassiethebrave: i guess you've looked at the gdm log by now, eh? |
| 20:06.20 | lassiethebrave | simonrvn: indeed; nothing outof the ordinary... |
| 20:06.27 | _ubuntoil | grub2 wants me to tell where I should install it. actually, this is "(hd0,3)". shall I write it with " ? |
| 20:07.05 | simonrvn | yes, because the shell will try to parse the () |
| 20:07.28 | _ubuntoil | simonrvn: me ?? |
| 20:07.40 | lassiethebrave | troubled: that would be 'restart' right now as it's running... but it starts up with no errors and gives me a nice looking login screen... |
| 20:07.56 | troubled | lassiethebrave: ya, thats all I wanted to know |
| 20:08.15 | troubled | lassiethebrave: what happens when you pick a session type from the list and login? |
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| 20:09.12 | lassiethebrave | troubled: "I could not start your session and so I have started the failsafe xterm session. Windows now have focus only if you have your cursor above them. To get out of this mode type 'exit' in the window in the upper left corner" |
| 20:09.55 | troubled | lassiethebrave: this is etch? |
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| 20:10.03 | lassiethebrave | troubled: lenny |
| 20:11.07 | troubled | what happens when you dont have an ~/.xinitrc file? |
| 20:11.08 | lassiethebrave | troubled: just upgraded everything and installed gdm. |
| 20:11.39 | troubled | well, I dont have lenny handy to test, but if X is starting, you shouldnt be too far away from getting it running at least |
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| 20:12.38 | troubled | i didnt think that .xinitrc would apply when you use gdm though *shrug* |
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| 20:13.01 | lassiethebrave | troubled: and it seems it didn't |
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| 20:13.09 | simonrvn | yes it can, you use the "default session" |
| 20:13.11 | troubled | you might need to wait around for an X wiz to pop in |
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| 20:13.20 | _ubuntoil | I have a fatal error when I want to install grub2 in the graphical installer of lenny. I entered "(hd0,3)" as the partition.... |
| 20:13.28 | troubled | so default session goes by your ~/.xinitrc simonrvn ? |
| 20:13.37 | _ubuntoil | which was the good one... |
| 20:13.44 | simonrvn | ~/.xsession, not ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:13.52 | lassiethebrave | simonrvn: wouldn't that go for the ~/.xsession |
| 20:13.52 | Ruadh | Hi all. I have mysql-server installed and setup. During the setup I created a root password, however, I will need a day-to-day password. Can any one help? |
| 20:13.58 | troubled | .xinitrc is just for startx then? |
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| 20:14.12 | simonrvn | oh wait, IIRC it does check for xinitrc .. moment |
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| 20:14.42 | simonrvn | redtape__: no, you're confused |
| 20:14.47 | simonrvn | redtape__: sorry |
| 20:14.51 | simonrvn | troubled: ^^^ |
| 20:14.57 | hoxu | Ruadh, the mysql manual can. Read the section about GRANT |
| 20:15.32 | troubled | simonrvn: so .xinitrc isnt used by gdm/xdm/kdm then? |
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| 20:15.35 | myeggo | hello |
| 20:15.41 | simonrvn | in sid anyway, no it doesn't. symlink it or mv it |
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| 20:15.48 | _ubuntoil | can you please help me about that ?? I'm doing a dual boot on a macbook pro with refit |
| 20:15.48 | myeggo | someone know if i can use this microsoft keyboard http://oasisavi.com/blog/uploaded_images/hw1-709426.gif in linux? |
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| 20:15.55 | simonrvn | it's not used at all |
| 20:15.55 | troubled | didnt think so |
| 20:15.59 | zinx | myeggo: probably. |
| 20:16.08 | troubled | should only be startx was my thinking |
| 20:16.18 | zinx | myeggo: the extra keys may or may not work, though |
| 20:16.37 | myeggo | zinx: really? at the moment that drivers were available only for windows media center |
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| 20:16.53 | zinx | myeggo: keyboards are generally standard HID devices. |
| 20:16.55 | Ruadh | hoxu: Many thanks |
| 20:17.04 | myeggo | aha |
| 20:17.14 | myeggo | oh, so i go try with some live cd |
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| 20:17.30 | zinx | myeggo: the "drivers" in windows are only to support the extra keys. Linux has generic support for some keyboards, but some need specific drivers to support the extra keys.. the normal keys almost always work. |
| 20:17.35 | bhundven | myeggo: the USB HID should map the normal qwerty keys, but you will need to use 'showkey' and/or acpi_listen to figure out the other keys |
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| 20:17.45 | troubled | myeggo: ya, keyboards generally just have special scancodes for the extra keys that you need to setup seperately |
| 20:17.56 | simonrvn | lassiethebrave, troubled: they all use ~/.xsession if it exists, otherwise it goes to the default session or whichever one you have |
| 20:17.58 | myeggo | oh, oh |
| 20:18.04 | myeggo | and i can configure them to do what i want? |
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| 20:18.07 | troubled | simonrvn: tanks |
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| 20:18.18 | troubled | myeggo: within limits ya |
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| 20:18.33 | simonrvn | have installed, i meant |
| 20:18.34 | myeggo | okay, thank you so much |
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| 20:18.40 | myeggo | i go see :) |
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| 20:19.11 | troubled | myeggo: sometimes you can get lucky and standard keys for volume for example, might already work as expected in X, but some keys may not |
| 20:19.35 | Raspberry | I've got a huge problem on my debian etch server... SVN SQL Apache and ssh have stopped working |
| 20:19.50 | troubled | oh noes! |
| 20:19.58 | Raspberry | it says that libkbr5.so.3 is not an ELF file |
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| 20:20.04 | troubled | Raspberry: corrupted? |
| 20:20.11 | bhundven | Raspberry: did you just upgrade your packages? |
| 20:20.12 | troubled | try reinstall krb5? |
| 20:20.19 | Raspberry | bhundven: yes |
| 20:20.41 | hoxu | Raspberry, yes as in "it broke on upgrade"? |
| 20:20.43 | Raspberry | so i worked around the krb5 issues and now its saying the same thing about libsasl2 |
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| 20:20.54 | Raspberry | it didn't break on upgrade |
| 20:20.58 | bhundven | libc upgraded |
| 20:21.03 | hoxu | Raspberry, is the disk okay? |
| 20:21.03 | Raspberry | all packages are insatlled |
| 20:21.08 | Raspberry | the disk is ok |
| 20:21.08 | Raspberry | i |
| 20:21.19 | Raspberry | i fsk'd it and it's good |
| 20:21.31 | simonrvn | i think bhundven hit the nail on the head |
| 20:21.36 | Raspberry | yeah |
| 20:21.47 | Raspberry | best way to work around this? |
| 20:22.03 | simonrvn | you get GLIBC erors in syslog? |
| 20:22.08 | Raspberry | nope |
| 20:22.12 | Raspberry | i don |
| 20:22.14 | troubled | Raspberry: md5sum /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3 |
| 20:22.16 | Raspberry | dont't see any errors |
| 20:22.53 | simonrvn | probably relatively minor, if it is a libc6 upgrade |
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| 20:23.37 | troubled | Raspberry: also, what arch are you running? |
| 20:23.48 | bhundven | from what I understand about libc upgrading, is that if any process was running that ld-loaded libc, they need to be stopped then run 'init q' to restart init and start those processes again. |
| 20:23.53 | Raspberry | i686 |
| 20:24.00 | Raspberry | sorry i had to haul the laptop to the server room |
| 20:24.02 | troubled | Raspberry: whats the md5sum? |
| 20:24.23 | bhundven | i might be wrong though. |
| 20:24.49 | troubled | well, usually the install scripts will warn you about restarting stuff on some upgrades, if it doesnt do it for you |
| 20:25.11 | stoned | scripts running all over the place |
| 20:25.19 | Raspberry | 66b5e62c875ab4d97bf8476b124f27fe |
| 20:25.23 | bhundven | tons |
| 20:25.24 | Raspberry | that should be the hash |
| 20:25.43 | troubled | Raspberry: apt-cache show libkrb53, what version? |
| 20:25.46 | Raspberry | i'm typ9ing o this new dell mini9 and my fingers are way too big |
| 20:26.11 | Raspberry | 1.4.4-7etch6 |
| 20:26.15 | stoned | big fat man! |
| 20:26.17 | troubled | for i386? |
| 20:26.20 | troubled | Raspberry: ^^^ |
| 20:26.37 | Raspberry | yeah |
| 20:26.39 | Raspberry | i386.deb |
| 20:27.05 | troubled | are you fully up to date? |
| 20:27.18 | Raspberry | this problem started two days ago in the middle of th enight... rebooting the box yesterday for the first time in 8 months fixed it... but it came back again today |
| 20:27.20 | Raspberry | yeah |
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| 20:27.33 | Raspberry | apt-get update then upgrade says 0 |
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| 20:27.55 | Raspberry | i'm running us.debian.org etch for packages= |
| 20:28.19 | Raspberry | the thing that i'll say seems odd to me |
| 20:28.24 | bhundven | indeed |
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| 20:28.46 | bhundven | scratches chin |
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| 20:28.51 | Raspberry | is that in the /usr/lib directory is that there are a lot of libraries that have .1200 or .1600 in their filename |
| 20:29.10 | simonrvn | hm, that's an issue |
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| 20:29.21 | Raspberry | i can get some of the problems to go away by ln -s libk5.so.3 to libkrb5.so.3.3 |
| 20:29.21 | troubled | .1200/.1600? whats that from? |
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| 20:29.41 | Raspberry | and olibk5crypto.so.3 to libk5crypto.so.3.1 |
| 20:29.53 | Raspberry | but it just keeps throwing up more libraries with problems |
| 20:29.56 | Raspberry | so I thought i |
| 20:30.00 | hoxu | Raspberry, show us your sources.list |
| 20:30.08 | Raspberry | it's just 1 line |
| 20:30.26 | simonrvn | erm, you need security too |
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| 20:30.41 | Raspberry | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ test9ing main contrib |
| 20:30.47 | simonrvn | yay, more DNS pollution... |
| 20:30.56 | troubled | you dont have security updates in there? |
| 20:30.58 | Raspberry | ignore that 9 it's this tiny keyboard |
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| 20:31.08 | Raspberry | this machine has been running for over 8 years |
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| 20:31.33 | Raspberry | so -- if it wasn't broke i wasn't fixing it |
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| 20:31.55 | troubled | is it on the internet? |
| 20:32.04 | Raspberry | yes |
| 20:32.05 | troubled | (aside from updating/installing stuff) |
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| 20:32.15 | Raspberry | i can update and use apt |
| 20:32.18 | Raspberry | that works fine |
| 20:32.19 | troubled | does it have any ports listening for connections? |
| 20:32.31 | Raspberry | yes |
| 20:32.43 | troubled | I would recommend security updates then |
| 20:32.44 | hoxu | lala laa |
| 20:32.48 | Raspberry | it's running my email service and that's still workign it |
| 20:32.53 | simonrvn | Raspberry: bit like mine. 4 different machines, same install over 6 years. |
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| 20:33.19 | troubled | simonrvn: that slow old ppc still? impressive |
| 20:33.28 | Raspberry | i just upgraded this thing to debian 4 about 3 months ago |
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| 20:33.47 | SQlvpapir | any suggestions for a desktop snmp client? |
| 20:33.47 | Raspberry | i found the security.debian.org testing deb so i'll add that to my sources |
| 20:33.51 | Daz | http://www.anonimowosc.com/index.php?q=uggc%3A%2F%2Ffghqrapxvuhzbe.cy%2Fenaxvat.cuc%3Fvq%3D5791&hl=2f9 |
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| 20:34.13 | simonrvn | troubled: yeh. i got that lighttpd+apache proxying going now |
| 20:34.15 | bhundven | SQlvpapir: depends on what you want |
| 20:34.22 | hoxu | Raspberry, you have testing sources, that's not debian 4.0 |
| 20:34.35 | simonrvn | yay, more spam |
| 20:34.39 | troubled | simonrvn: you know, if it wasnt for hard drives and fans, these old things could run for decades I bet |
| 20:34.47 | Raspberry | hoxu ok |
| 20:34.53 | SQlvpapir | bhundven something preferrably precompiled and packaged. some gtk/ncurses I guess |
| 20:34.58 | simonrvn | troubled: very much so |
| 20:35.00 | twobitsprite | troubled: or capacitors to go bad, etc |
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| 20:35.18 | bhundven | SQlvpapir: I mean, are you monitoring, configuring, using traps? |
| 20:35.19 | Raspberry | so any idea on how i can fix this library issue? |
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| 20:35.22 | twobitsprite | I just junked 4 motherboards because they all blew caps |
| 20:35.30 | Nyha | When I build my own kernel, how can I prevent it from building the Documentation? |
| 20:35.30 | bhundven | SQlvpapir: what would you like this application to do? |
| 20:35.31 | Raspberry | is there a way i can force reinstall packages? |
| 20:35.37 | hoxu | Raspberry, did you check where the weird libs came from with "dpkg -S <file>"? |
| 20:35.41 | SQlvpapir | bhundven at first I just want to try monitoring |
| 20:35.54 | Raspberry | all of my machines i bought between 2003 and 2006 have blow their capacitor caps |
| 20:36.07 | troubled | twobitsprite: if you got clean power, do they still go eventually? |
| 20:36.07 | FireSlash | Ok, I'm trying to build a test debian server that closely matches a production server. I need to install php4 and apache 1.x; but apt-get install php4 seems to only want to bring in apache2 bindings? |
| 20:36.13 | bhundven | SQlvpapir: nagios has support for SNMP monitoring, you may want to play around with net-snmp first to get used to messing with snmp |
| 20:36.14 | Raspberry | hoxu no |
| 20:36.14 | twobitsprite | troubled: sure |
| 20:36.25 | simonrvn | Nyha: it doesn't unless you request that make-kpkg tagret |
| 20:36.29 | troubled | twobitsprite: any typical time frame? |
| 20:36.34 | simonrvn | target* |
| 20:36.42 | twobitsprite | troubled: higher quality MBs/caps last long than low quality ones... anywhere from 3-10 years |
| 20:36.48 | twobitsprite | but there's no way to really tell |
| 20:36.51 | troubled | twobitsprite: thats not bad |
| 20:37.01 | twobitsprite | might get a more accurate answer in #hardware |
| 20:37.05 | troubled | ya, I assume its related to the temparature and power quality |
| 20:37.21 | twobitsprite | some really cheap ones might only last 1-2 years |
| 20:37.27 | simonrvn | the beige g3 hardly has any caps... |
| 20:37.40 | troubled | twobitsprite: still, a capacitor should be fairly easy to detect and replace? |
| 20:37.47 | Nyha | simonrvn I folowed http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage but it still want to build the kernel docs... |
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| 20:37.57 | simonrvn | FireSlash: you'll be better off with 2 anyway |
| 20:37.58 | FireSlash | Hmm, nm, got it by installing via the apache 1.x package. |
| 20:38.07 | twobitsprite | troubled: sure... but when one goes bad, the rest are usually close to follow... how many do you replace before its easier/cheaper to buy a new MB? |
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| 20:38.19 | simonrvn | Nyha: i use kernel_headers and kernel_image as targets. |
| 20:38.28 | FireSlash | simonrvn, Yeah, I know, but our production servers aren't running 2 yet, and I really don't like those "Oops! This doesn't work like that anymore" moments when syncing devel and production servers >.< |
| 20:38.31 | hoxu | Raspberry, then do. And do other people have access to the box / have you installed any custom stuff? |
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| 20:38.32 | Raspberry | hoxu: it says the li9bkrb56.so.3 is found /usr/lib/ and /ysr/lib/krb5.so.3.3 |
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| 20:38.43 | troubled | twobitsprite: true, but replacing whole machine because the board/system is too old to find parts for really would influence the decision |
| 20:38.54 | simonrvn | fakeroot make-kpkg --foo --bar kernel_headers kernel_image |
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| 20:39.01 | hoxu | Raspberry, it should tell you the package name |
| 20:39.06 | Raspberry | hoxu: nope just me /... nothing has been installed lately --- i checked the logs and lastlog --- nothing funny no errors |
| 20:39.13 | simonrvn | FireSlash: i understand :) |
| 20:39.15 | trifler | erm how do I start more apps inside a screen? (more windows)? |
| 20:39.24 | twobitsprite | troubled: true... my point is that its not as simple as removing moving parts and expecting the system to run forever :) |
| 20:39.32 | Raspberry | hoxu: it doesn't dpkg -S libkrb5.so.3 lists locations |
| 20:39.35 | hoxu | Raspberry, and for dpkg -S, give the *.1200 or whatever file, not so.3 |
| 20:39.44 | bhundven | trifler: apt-get install screen |
| 20:39.44 | Raspberry | ah |
| 20:39.54 | trifler | bhundven: I already have screen ;) |
| 20:40.06 | bhundven | lol, you mean a desktop pager? |
| 20:40.10 | simonrvn | FireSlash: try installing manually, with `aptitude' |
| 20:40.13 | twobitsprite | "decades" is pushing it for any system... unless it's worth repairing for historical reasons... like an amiga 500 or something |
| 20:40.16 | flokuehn | amarok |
| 20:40.50 | bhundven | trifler: what window manager are you using? |
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| 20:40.57 | Raspberry | hoxu: sorry i guess the 1600 and 1200 were with the glib files which when i manually ln -s the krb5 stuff it started giving me glib errors |
| 20:40.59 | Raspberry | same thing |
| 20:41.07 | FireSlash | simonrvn, Thansks, I'll look into using that over apt. :) |
| 20:41.12 | Raspberry | invalid ELF header |
| 20:41.13 | FireSlash | apt-get* |
| 20:41.19 | troubled | twobitsprite: sure, but some machines might be worth to keep around running for historical reasons |
| 20:41.29 | troubled | Raspberry: you are running 64bit? |
| 20:41.30 | twobitsprite | troubled: right... that's what I just said :) |
| 20:41.39 | Raspberry | no |
| 20:41.40 | Raspberry | 686 |
| 20:41.51 | Raspberry | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 20:41.54 | troubled | twobitsprite: oh sorry ya, didnt see cause you didnt hilight me |
| 20:42.01 | Raspberry | this is a k7 machine though |
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| 20:42.05 | twobitsprite | troubled: doh :) |
| 20:42.08 | Raspberry | does that matter? |
| 20:42.11 | trifler | bhundven: openbox |
| 20:42.20 | simonrvn | Raspberry: that's quite ok |
| 20:42.34 | troubled | Raspberry: just wondering since 1.4.4.7-etch6 was for a kadmind crash on 64-bit platforms |
| 20:42.39 | Raspberry | i thought so --- but i was probably running i386 a long time ago when this thing was installed |
| 20:42.46 | simonrvn | though that kernel needs updating |
| 20:42.53 | simonrvn | ASAP |
| 20:42.58 | twobitsprite | troubled: I ignore everything except actual conversation.... #debian gets a lot of useless join/part/quit/etc messages, and its much easier to follow without all that |
| 20:43.07 | Raspberry | the cpu is 64-bit but uname -vr gives me 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP |
| 20:43.16 | nighter | Hi in with apt tree is libc6-dev 2.4+ located in? unstable? |
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| 20:43.33 | nighter | i need newer pakages in apt |
| 20:43.35 | bhundven | trifler: looks like you want to get either fbpager or bbpager |
| 20:43.35 | twobitsprite | nighter: packages.debian.org |
| 20:43.42 | Raspberry | there are only 4 updates since i added the security source |
| 20:43.46 | Raspberry | running those now |
| 20:43.46 | troubled | Raspberry: okay, cause I only have 1.4.4.7-etch5 here, but im 32bit |
| 20:43.50 | twobitsprite | what's the bot that searches versions? |
| 20:43.51 | FireSlash | I also don't suppose there's a console command that convinces everyone in my company that we should replace our old FC3/RHEL boxes with debian/stable? :D |
| 20:44.02 | troubled | Raspberry: seems that the etch6 didnt come down on a 32bit box |
| 20:44.09 | simonrvn | Raspberry: well, since it's a server, you might consider running 64b user/kernel |
| 20:44.27 | trifler | bhundven: For example If I want to have, irssi, mutt and ncmpc but in one active terminal. Screens is not the thing? :S The term im using is rxvt btw. |
| 20:44.33 | Raspberry | it wants to update libpq4 too but says it can't because the libraries aren't an elf file... it has the wrong magic bytes at the start |
| 20:44.39 | simonrvn | FireSlash: debtakeover ? :) |
| 20:44.41 | hoxu | twobitsprite, judd? |
| 20:44.53 | twobitsprite | judd: versions libc6-dev |
| 20:44.54 | judd | twobitsprite: libc6-dev -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-1 |
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| 20:44.59 | Eulex | Raspberry, 2.6.26 is not an etch kernel, not even an etchnhalf kernel. it's from lenny or unstable. |
| 20:45.00 | twobitsprite | hoxu: thanks |
| 20:45.19 | twobitsprite | nighter: see what judd said |
| 20:45.21 | hoxu | Eulex, Raspberry has testing sources |
| 20:45.23 | Raspberry | well that's the kernel that it installed 2 days ago |
| 20:45.30 | troubled | well who has etch 1.4.4.7-etch6 for libkrb53 here on a 32bit cpu? |
| 20:45.44 | Raspberry | i can go back to stable |
| 20:45.47 | bhundven | trifler: then screen is what you want |
| 20:45.51 | troubled | ooh, we have another bot here? |
| 20:46.01 | troubled | what is judd? |
| 20:46.01 | FireSlash | simonrvn, Nice, that'll be handy :) |
| 20:46.04 | Raspberry | it's just that until i did a distupgrade stable was so ... old and ... stable ;p |
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| 20:46.24 | hoxu | troubled, /msg judd list judd, /msg judd help <command> |
| 20:46.31 | simonrvn | !debtakeover |
| 20:46.31 | dpkg | well, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 20:46.33 | troubled | hoxu: thanks |
| 20:46.37 | trifler | bhundven: Roger. But how can I start multiple apps within the same screen? |
| 20:46.39 | Raspberry | it's just that until i did a distupgrade stable was so ... old and ... stable ;p;p |
| 20:46.41 | hoxu | Raspberry, you can't without a reinstall |
| 20:46.51 | simonrvn | FireSlash: ^^^ |
| 20:46.52 | Raspberry | ah |
| 20:46.59 | hoxu | troubled, in different windows, yes, check the manpage |
| 20:47.03 | bhundven | trifler: http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/screen/screen_toc.html |
| 20:47.07 | troubled | hoxu: ? |
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| 20:47.15 | hoxu | trifler, ^^^ that was for you |
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| 20:47.20 | hoxu | trifler, wrong target, sorry |
| 20:47.25 | hoxu | *troubled |
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| 20:47.37 | troubled | hoxu: why do I want screen docs? |
| 20:47.54 | Raspberry | is there any way i can back rev my kerberos |
| 20:47.57 | hoxu | troubled, I meant that line for trifler, and the last one for you, I blame wols for my tab completion syndrome |
| 20:48.00 | Raspberry | although i think this problem is more than that |
| 20:48.18 | Raspberry | when i restart hte box i only have 1 choice for kernels too |
| 20:49.06 | twobitsprite | trifler: "ctrl-a c" |
| 20:49.11 | nighter | cant switch to sid it says following pakets have been keeped back. |
| 20:49.14 | trifler | twobitsprite: Yes |
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| 20:49.35 | simonrvn | kept, keeped isn't a word |
| 20:49.36 | twobitsprite | nighter: don't "switch to" sid |
| 20:49.39 | trifler | twobitsprite: Any easier way to "hop" amongs em exept C-a space |
| 20:49.44 | nighter | need to just upgrade glibc.. this is annoying |
| 20:49.47 | twobitsprite | !tell nighter about upgrade to sid |
| 20:50.03 | twobitsprite | !tell nighter about sid upgrade |
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| 20:50.27 | twobitsprite | nighter: why do you need to upgrade glibc? |
| 20:51.08 | nighter | because my i need it with my code. |
| 20:51.15 | nighter | i need it with my c code |
| 20:51.35 | twobitsprite | nighter: check backports |
| 20:51.37 | Raspberry | why does mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 package conflict? |
| 20:51.49 | twobitsprite | nighter: I assume you are running etch? |
| 20:51.57 | nighter | yes. |
| 20:52.07 | nighter | need glibc 2.4+ |
| 20:52.24 | nighter | can't switch to any tree because it says following pakets are been keept back |
| 20:52.35 | trifler | wow screen made it somewhat hard to keep track of where you "are" :S |
| 20:52.47 | twobitsprite | trifler: C-a " |
| 20:53.07 | twobitsprite | trifler: C-a A (as in, shift-a) to rename a window |
| 20:53.36 | twobitsprite | nighter: firstly... almost everything depends on glibc... upgrading it is probably a bad idea unless you want to upgrade everything else |
| 20:53.37 | trifler | twobitsprite: Is it possible to get a list on what apps you have open? or windows? |
| 20:53.50 | twobitsprite | trifler: C-a " |
| 20:54.10 | nighter | twobitsprite: yes thats why i whant to upgrade to a different tree like change sources.lust and apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 20:54.19 | twobitsprite | (as in, control-a double-quote) |
| 20:54.22 | nighter | but my system dosen't allow me |
| 20:54.37 | nighter | it says following pakets have been keept back |
| 20:54.41 | Raspberry | 9i'm going to try going back a kernel and see if that fixes it |
| 20:54.47 | nighter | and don't upgrade anything :( |
| 20:54.49 | twobitsprite | nighter: don't upgrade to sid... but you can upgrade to lenny... |
| 20:54.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i need a little help, yesterday i downloaded 600MB+ of updates. To avoid downloading again incase i format my laptop can i copy the .deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives and create a local repository? so that in the future apt fetches the updates from there |
| 20:54.57 | twobitsprite | !tell nighter about etch->lenny |
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| 20:55.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | waiting for some help |
| 20:55.32 | twobitsprite | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about ask |
| 20:55.45 | twobitsprite | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about mirror |
| 20:56.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok i wil read that, but will there be any conflicts? |
| 20:56.36 | twobitsprite | what do you mean? |
| 20:56.41 | Raspberry | hmm |
| 20:56.50 | Raspberry | i can't seem to go back a kernel either |
| 20:57.01 | twobitsprite | Raspberry: you trying to downgrade? |
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| 20:57.13 | trifler | twobitsprite: Roger but I've seen screenshots of desktops on which I think uses screen and below the active window is a list of the apps open. Where does that list come from? Did that make sense? |
| 20:57.22 | twobitsprite | Raspberry: actually... with kernels, you should be able to just apt-get an older kernel provided its still on the mirrors |
| 20:57.36 | twobitsprite | trifler: you mean tabs? |
| 20:57.43 | trifler | twobitsprite: I guess :S |
| 20:57.44 | twobitsprite | trifler: that's usually konsole or gnome-terminal |
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| 20:57.57 | twobitsprite | rxvt doesn't support tabs iirc |
| 20:58.23 | Raspberry | i just back revd to libcde2.6.2611 |
| 20:58.47 | Raspberry | and now the kernel |
| 20:58.50 | Raspberry | see if that fixes it |
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| 20:59.11 | Raspberry | twobitsprite: the problem is the libraries are all f |
| 20:59.14 | Raspberry | f'd up |
| 20:59.17 | Nyha | is there any good guides on how to compile my own kernel? |
| 20:59.31 | Raspberry | so there's a lot of stuff i can't install or uninstall |
| 20:59.35 | Posterdati | hi, please a question! |
| 20:59.36 | twobitsprite | !tell Nyha about compile kernel |
| 20:59.51 | Posterdati | do I need ide modules on a SATA pc? |
| 20:59.52 | twobitsprite | (sigh) |
| 21:00.44 | Raspberry | at least qmail is still working so i still get email |
| 21:00.52 | Raspberry | just no sql or apache or dns :p |
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| 21:01.24 | Raspberry | this sytem is old |
| 21:01.46 | Raspberry | i upgraded it from 540mb drives to 8gb drives and 2 years ago to 20gb annd now i think it |
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| 21:01.51 | Raspberry | has a 72gb in for home |
| 21:02.16 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
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| 21:03.32 | Raspberry | can i reinstall debian over itself |
| 21:03.48 | Raspberry | is there a way to reapply these dud libraries? |
| 21:03.52 | twobitsprite | Raspberry: you mean, without formatting the drives? |
| 21:04.18 | twobitsprite | Raspberry: the libraries you could probably --purge and reinstall |
| 21:04.41 | Raspberry | if i try to type ssh i get : error while loading shared libraries: libgssapi_krb5.so.2: cannot open shaqred object file: error 116 |
| 21:05.28 | Raspberry | if i type svn... error while loading shared libraries: libsvn_ra-1.so.1: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory |
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| 21:06.16 | mikroflops | where can i find the rwwrtwin program in order to make a debian boot floppy in windows? |
| 21:06.34 | jamon | Raspberry: LD_PRELOAD is your friend until you get the new versions installed |
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| 21:06.56 | Raspberry | what's that? |
| 21:07.13 | jamon | your friend silly |
| 21:07.47 | Raspberry | i also get this error A LOT... /usr/lib/krb5.so.3 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 21:08.03 | Raspberry | 9i mean /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3 |
| 21:08.08 | Raspberry | this dell9 keyboard sucks |
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| 21:09.32 | Raspberry | ah ha |
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| 21:09.58 | Raspberry | cannot remove libkrb53 /usr/lib/l9ibgssapi_krb5.so.2 stale nfs file handle |
| 21:10.15 | Raspberry | wtf is that? :p |
| 21:10.34 | Raspberry | i tried to --purge and then was going to reinstall libkrb53 |
| 21:10.48 | emilien | need little help with flash , iceweasel / firefox crashes when using flash. i get segmentation error from terminal |
| 21:11.50 | newsense | emilien, where and how did you install flash from ? |
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| 21:12.23 | emilien | newsense: adobe site , verion 10 |
| 21:13.10 | newsense | is the plugin in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ ? |
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| 21:13.51 | newsense | works fine here but i didnt use the installer i just copied the flashplugin.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 21:14.08 | newsense | im using lenny |
| 21:14.10 | FireSlash | Is there a quick way to turn off console mouse support? I keep getting "lost synchronization" errors, and I really don't need a mouse |
| 21:14.26 | emilien | im using lenny to , yes its there libflashplayer.so |
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| 21:14.45 | Posterdati | please I need help with Optiarc AD-7191S, it goes buffer underrun while burning dvds (image on sata hd). Tx |
| 21:14.45 | newsense | FireSlash, remove gpm or stop it |
| 21:14.48 | Raspberry | sounds like the nfs stale file handle issue is debian specific |
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| 21:15.22 | Raspberry | anybody know how to get rid of the |
| 21:17.13 | FireSlash | newsense, gpm isn't installed |
| 21:18.00 | Raspberry | NFS Stale File Handle error? |
| 21:18.07 | emilien | what does segmentation error mean ? |
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| 21:23.44 | BCM43 | I have Powerbook G4 and the fan will not run. It is the same computer mentioned in the first post of this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222413. I am having the same problem of the computer shutting down after a lot of work. |
| 21:24.23 | GeoMus | hello which command will tell me if my server Hdds under raid 10 ?? |
| 21:24.53 | jamon | GeoMus: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 21:25.07 | jamon | or anything else that can access /proc/mdstat :) |
| 21:25.15 | GeoMus | unused devices: <none> |
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| 21:26.06 | versuri | anyone know how to reset the Network Settings in the control panel, it asked me what system I had and I told it Debian Lenny, then clicked on dont ask me again, now it refuses to load properly and keeps giving me There was an error changing the device's state. You will have to do it manually. how do I get it to ask me what version of linux I have again |
| 21:26.27 | GeoMus | jamon : show unused devices: <none> |
| 21:27.21 | jamon | GeoMus: is that the entire output? |
| 21:28.22 | versuri | anyone? |
| 21:28.27 | kenjy | guys how can I know the ./configure rules of a specific debian package? |
| 21:28.43 | Tekno | read "INSTALL" -file |
| 21:28.50 | kenjy | Tekno: where is it? |
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| 21:29.03 | braydon | should be in the dir. of the config. |
| 21:29.11 | kenjy | braydon: of the .deb file? |
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| 21:29.31 | Tekno | o_O |
| 21:29.58 | braydon | your building from source right? |
| 21:30.07 | kenjy | braydon: no |
| 21:30.23 | kenjy | braydon: I wanna know the ./configure witch a debian package was built |
| 21:30.23 | braydon | why are you running ./configure then? |
| 21:30.32 | braydon | ah. |
| 21:30.32 | kenjy | braydon: Im not running any ./configure |
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| 21:31.13 | simonrvn | versuri: there's probably a file in ~/.gnome2 somewhere with that setting. don't ask me what the file is or what the setting is. a grep for something like 'askagain' or such will find it. |
| 21:31.15 | newsense | kenjy, get the source package and look at it |
| 21:31.25 | kenjy | newsense: the source package? |
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| 21:31.52 | newsense | kenjy, yes the source from which the given package was built from |
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| 21:32.06 | versuri | simonrvn, thx, it was the kdm manager, I am using KDE not gnome and now pretty stuck trying to reset it. |
| 21:32.09 | newsense | kenjy, that is what you are asking about, no ? |
| 21:32.16 | braydon | apt-get source <package> |
| 21:32.19 | kenjy | newsense: where is it? :S http://packages.debian.org/etch/php5-cgi |
| 21:32.33 | newsense | listen to braydon |
| 21:32.34 | simonrvn | ~/.kde then ;) |
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| 21:32.41 | sylarr | hi all |
| 21:32.43 | kenjy | newsense: I wanna know the ./configure that the builder set for the packages php5-cgi |
| 21:32.45 | newsense | hi |
| 21:32.48 | kenjy | newsense: http://packages.debian.org/etch/php5-cgi |
| 21:32.52 | badcloud | anyone here familiar with uswsusp? |
| 21:32.52 | versuri | thx I will go hunt through the files for askagain :) |
| 21:32.54 | kenjy | sylarr: hello |
| 21:33.21 | simonrvn | versuri: not that exactly, bu something like that |
| 21:33.34 | sylarr | anyone has ASUS p5wdh-deluxe motherboard? Any compatibility issues with etch? |
| 21:33.44 | versuri | ask again = no (delete) ask again = yes ;) I'm on it :D |
| 21:33.46 | newsense | kenjy, apt-get source php5-cgi |
| 21:33.56 | sylarr | hi kenjy |
| 21:34.01 | simonrvn | sounds like you found it |
| 21:34.04 | kenjy | newsense: and then? :S |
| 21:34.23 | VI_Lenin | Hi! A little questioon: I want to use Adobe pdf reader in Etch. Adobe provides only .rpm distribution. Is there any .deb packages or I need to use alien? |
| 21:34.28 | simonrvn | sylarr: ask in ##hardware ; that's nothing to do with etch (just kernel) |
| 21:34.38 | kenjy | newsense: where is this source ? |
| 21:34.42 | braydon | kenjy: do you mean the options for the configuration? doen't php tell you that some how? |
| 21:34.57 | kenjy | braydon: yes in phpinfo() but in the debian package thats not displayed |
| 21:35.01 | versuri | wiredest thing @ simonrvn, this will make you laugh, I couldnt get kdenetwork manager to work properly after a network panel update, then I fixed and now the control panel is busted instead LOL |
| 21:35.11 | sylarr | simonrvn, so only kernel version is relevant? |
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| 21:35.21 | simonrvn | sylarr: yes |
| 21:35.45 | kenjy | newsense: now its installed now what? :S |
| 21:35.53 | kenjy | braydon: do you know where can I get that info? |
| 21:35.55 | newsense | kenjy, whereis php5-cgi |
| 21:35.56 | braydon | kenjy: maybe build it yourself to how you want it |
| 21:36.09 | simonrvn | i.e., new enough kernel to support it. etchnhalf probably has a new enough kernel |
| 21:36.11 | sylarr | simonrvn, thanks |
| 21:36.25 | kenjy | newsense: I don't wanna find the binary, you said that I should do apt-get source php5-cgi, Im asking what should I do now? after doing that apt-get |
| 21:36.40 | kenjy | braydon: I wanna build it like the original |
| 21:36.53 | kenjy | braydon: exactly equal |
| 21:37.06 | braydon | read the INSTALL, or README in the source dir. |
| 21:37.35 | kenjy | braydon: what for? |
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| 21:37.53 | braydon | kenjy, I see... not sure how to know the configuration options of the original .deb package. |
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| 21:38.03 | kenjy | braydon: ok |
| 21:38.20 | kenjy | some one know the way to get the configuration built options of a .deb package? |
| 21:39.13 | simonrvn | sylarr: np :) |
| 21:39.32 | GeoMus | jamon: yes |
| 21:39.33 | braydon | kenjy: I know ffmpeg says what flags were used in it's info, perhaps php is like that too. |
| 21:39.51 | kenjy | braydon: but the php from the debian package don't shows it |
| 21:40.41 | stoned | what are yo ulooking for? |
| 21:40.43 | BCM43 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:40.58 | newsense | kenjy, what are you doing anyways building it for another distro, just curious ? |
| 21:40.59 | kenjy | stoned: the way to get the configuration built options of a .deb package |
| 21:41.09 | stoned | kenjy, get the source package look at the control and rules files |
| 21:41.09 | kenjy | newsense: Im not building it from another distro |
| 21:41.15 | stoned | debian/rules |
| 21:41.25 | tame | can i get a little assistance? |
| 21:41.35 | BCM43 | Linux sucks because the fan won't work on a Powerbook G4 |
| 21:41.38 | tame | im using net install. and i dont know what the different packages are |
| 21:41.42 | kenjy | stoned: tnks |
| 21:41.49 | tame | such as dns server, web server etc.. |
| 21:41.52 | stoned | tame, what do you wish to know |
| 21:41.59 | stoned | tame, in tasksel? do not select any;thing |
| 21:42.01 | kenjy | stoned: how can I get all the build dependencys to rebuild this package? |
| 21:42.02 | stoned | move past that screen |
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| 21:42.14 | stoned | kenjy, apt-get build-dep pkgname |
| 21:42.20 | stoned | or aptitude build-dep |
| 21:42.32 | tame | im at software selection |
| 21:42.39 | stoned | tame, move past that screen, you can get debian up and running and then install software later |
| 21:42.42 | stoned | brb |
| 21:42.52 | tame | ok.. |
| 21:43.18 | tame | thanks stoned |
| 21:43.19 | kenjy | stoned: tnks :D |
| 21:43.24 | stoned | back |
| 21:43.33 | amphi | BCM43: nice nic[k] ;) |
| 21:43.52 | BCM43 | lol |
| 21:43.54 | stoned | tame, you can alwyas man tasksel after words, and review what packages each task contins in the software selection |
| 21:43.54 | BCM43 | thanks |
| 21:44.15 | stoned | tame, I wouldn't recommend tasksel |
| 21:44.22 | stoned | off of netinst anyway |
| 21:44.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | bcm43 is the wireless card I have xD |
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| 21:44.53 | amphi | !comfort sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 21:44.53 | stoned | me too, broadcom 4306 |
| 21:44.53 | dpkg | There, there, sh4d3sl4y3r_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:45.06 | stoned | amphi, stop being weird :) |
| 21:45.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S thanks i know dpkg is there with me, bug that bot a lot lol |
| 21:45.25 | amphi | !insult stoned |
| 21:45.27 | dpkg | stoned is nothing but a sausage-snorfling accumulation of toad-spotted pond scum |
| 21:45.28 | stoned | !dpkg.web.search |
| 21:45.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but helpful |
| 21:45.28 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 21:45.35 | amphi | ;) |
| 21:45.38 | stoned | !abuse |
| 21:45.39 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 21:45.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !amphi |
| 21:45.48 | dpkg | amphi is probably the coolest |
| 21:45.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S |
| 21:45.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao |
| 21:45.54 | stoned | stop. |
| 21:46.04 | amphi | wtf? |
| 21:46.06 | simonrvn | yeh, a closed firmware that broadcom still refuses to release spec on. right. whatever. |
| 21:46.07 | stoned | you can /msg the bot instead |
| 21:46.10 | simonrvn | STOP WITH THE BOT |
| 21:46.11 | BCM43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: same here, I started to use it after all the trouble I had with it. I Knew exaclty how to get it working after a while, so I used the nick to tell me when other people mentionted it on the irc |
| 21:46.23 | stoned | simonrvn, c'mon |
| 21:46.34 | stoned | simonrvn, I've never seen yo ushout before, and I don't want to ever see you shout again |
| 21:46.37 | stoned | simonrvn, :) |
| 21:46.44 | stoned | thats not you |
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| 21:47.00 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.13 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:47.15 | stoned | yeh me too im logged into myhouse fromw ork |
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| 21:47.31 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 21:47.37 | stoned | simonrvn, what are you compiling? |
| 21:48.08 | stoned | simonrvn, what is a plonk |
| 21:48.48 | jamon | sounds like simonrvn needs some plonk.. |
| 21:48.56 | stoned | but what is a plonk? |
| 21:49.06 | amphi | BCM43: that's very public spirited ;) |
| 21:49.35 | BCM43 | amphi: lol, yea |
| 21:49.37 | stoned | BCM43, you can set hilights on words other than nick |
| 21:49.39 | stoned | :) |
| 21:49.41 | simonrvn | like i need another hole in the head |
| 21:49.45 | BCM43 | stoned: how? |
| 21:49.48 | jamon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk the double meaning is appropriate there stoned ;) |
| 21:49.54 | stoned | BCM43, checkw ith your irc client |
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| 21:50.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is Gnome 2.24 / 24 available for experimental yet? |
| 21:50.44 | BCM43 | stoned: pidgin? |
| 21:50.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *Gnome 2.23 / 24 i meant |
| 21:51.19 | stoned | BCM43, get a ral irc client |
| 21:51.21 | stoned | 'real* |
| 21:51.31 | stoned | simonrvn, you plonked me! |
| 21:51.39 | BCM43 | stoned: pidgin works just fine for me thank you very much |
| 21:51.43 | stoned | did you plonk me! |
| 21:51.45 | simonrvn | WIR |
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| 21:52.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | BCM apt-get install pidgin-encryption if you are paranoid |
| 21:52.19 | stoned | BCM43, then find out if pidgin offers to set hilights on words |
| 21:52.33 | stoned | there should be a plugin for it |
| 21:52.41 | Elive_user79_fr | Good evening folks ! |
| 21:52.46 | stoned | Elive_user79_fr, hi |
| 21:52.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hello |
| 21:53.08 | Elive_user79_fr | Can so help me solve a problem ? |
| 21:53.20 | Elive_user79_fr | (someone) |
| 21:53.55 | Elive_user79_fr | I have a problem with sound. No sound. |
| 21:54.00 | BCM43 | stoned: ok, thanks |
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| 21:55.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb |
| 21:55.51 | GeoMus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.44 | kenjy | stoned: I reading the rules file of the php5-cgi source package but Im not shure if this rules that I found are the correct tules |
| 21:57.13 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 21:57.13 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 21:57.18 | simonrvn | GeoMus: ^^^ |
| 21:57.23 | kenjy | stoned: I see the rules of a var called COMMON_CONFIG but this rules don't shows the compilation of php in cgi mode |
| 21:57.33 | simonrvn | ...we're not it in this channel, dude. |
| 21:57.49 | amphi | !tell Elive_user79_fr -about alsa checklist |
| 21:57.55 | keith4 | GeoMus: why do you ask the same question in #centos? |
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| 21:58.50 | stoned | Elive_user79_fr, /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 21:59.00 | simonrvn | probably because he's running centos ... which isn't even a .deb-based distro, i don't think. (honestly, i'm not sure, but that's my impression) |
| 21:59.03 | stoned | Elive_user79_fr, you need to install alsa, and run alsaconf |
| 21:59.30 | keith4 | simonrvn: not even close. it's unbranded RHEL |
| 21:59.31 | stoned | simonrvn, is apt-get for other distros supported here? |
| 21:59.33 | jamon | GeoMus: and you have no raid to answer your question |
| 21:59.34 | stoned | just wondering |
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| 21:59.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | centos is RHEL clone |
| 21:59.53 | stoned | nm |
| 21:59.57 | stoned | yeh we only support debian packags |
| 21:59.57 | simonrvn | keith4: thanks, i thought so. |
| 22:00.07 | keith4 | it's miserable. forced to use it at work |
| 22:00.16 | keith4 | (but I slip debian in, wherever I can) |
| 22:00.16 | simonrvn | :( |
| 22:00.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can understand |
| 22:00.22 | stoned | kenjy, I'm forced to use debiani at work |
| 22:00.23 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:00.28 | jamon | keith4: i'm in the same boat as you |
| 22:00.28 | stoned | keith4, * |
| 22:00.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | even professionally i have to use Fedora |
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| 22:00.42 | kenjy | stoned: is that bad? xD |
| 22:00.45 | simonrvn | dual-boot, partly writable live-cd, or something. |
| 22:00.52 | stoned | kenjy, hehe, anyway where exactly are you looking |
| 22:01.09 | keith4 | plus, when i put debian on a box.. .it keeps the centos guys from touching it. they're scared |
| 22:01.13 | stoned | kenjy, the build options are in the debian source package |
| 22:01.15 | keith4 | which is a nice bonus |
| 22:01.15 | simonrvn | external FW or USB2 drive |
| 22:01.21 | simonrvn | haha |
| 22:01.24 | amphi | keith4: ;) |
| 22:01.28 | jamon | i fought with rackspace for a week to get debian installed on a server there |
| 22:01.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Debian and Red hat derivatives are way far from being similar |
| 22:01.53 | jamon | they wanted me to ship them cds until i got a level 3 support person to download it |
| 22:01.55 | stoned | !policy |
| 22:01.55 | dpkg | [policy] available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 22:01.59 | stoned | kenjy, ^^ |
| 22:02.03 | keith4 | jamon: wow |
| 22:02.05 | stoned | kenjy, check out chapter 4.9 |
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| 22:02.21 | simonrvn | jamon: o_O. wth |
| 22:02.24 | stoned | your package build options are in debian/rules like I said before |
| 22:02.32 | jamon | yeah it sucked. |
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| 22:03.09 | keith4 | that's why my offsite box is at M5 Hosting. the guy who runs that place *loves* debian |
| 22:03.16 | htmlol | every time I start elinks up from a console, I have to press Ctrl+C once in order for it to become visible and active. Other text-mode browsers behave this way too (links), except lynx. Any ideas? |
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| 22:04.08 | simonrvn | you're interrupting something obviously. so something you have in your shell... |
| 22:04.23 | jamon | yeah ctrl+c should be killing elinks |
| 22:04.27 | stoned | check you shelll's rc files |
| 22:04.36 | stoned | or something |
| 22:04.46 | stoned | some keybaord thingymajiggy |
| 22:04.48 | simonrvn | yeh exactly |
| 22:04.55 | htmlol | I use bash. so I'll see if anything is amiss in .bashrc; anything in particular to search for? |
| 22:05.13 | stoned | not sure, try resetting konsole keymap/bindins |
| 22:05.18 | simonrvn | how should we know what you have in your .bashrc? |
| 22:05.20 | stoned | console-data perhaps? |
| 22:05.23 | keith4 | try it as a different user |
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| 22:05.27 | stoned | but first check .bashrc |
| 22:05.34 | stoned | in fact, mv .bashrc to something else |
| 22:05.44 | stoned | logout.login and try |
| 22:05.51 | stoned | if you won't want to make a new user |
| 22:05.53 | htmlol | I don't use konsole |
| 22:05.57 | simonrvn | or start commenting stuff out, one by one |
| 22:06.02 | stoned | I mean *console* |
| 22:06.05 | stoned | cli |
| 22:06.07 | stoned | dos mode |
| 22:06.10 | stoned | text stuff |
| 22:06.12 | htmlol | simonrvn: I just meant, anything that could be causing the error if I had it. or something. |
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| 22:06.24 | htmlol | ah. lol thought you were assuming I used konsole. ok |
| 22:06.25 | stoned | htmlol, just pastebin the damn file :) |
| 22:06.31 | htmlol | ok I will :) |
| 22:06.33 | htmlol | 1 min |
| 22:06.49 | stoned | ( I won't be lookinga at it cuz im busy) |
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| 22:07.11 | stoned | but yeh pastebin it anyay, mv it somewhere, relogin and try again, or mv it, touch a blank bashrc source it and try again |
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| 22:08.17 | htmlol | http://paste.debian.net/24327/ |
| 22:08.17 | Elive_user79_fr | Sorry for intruding. Can someone tell me the little suitable command to add myself to the 'audio' group ? Thank you so much. |
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| 22:08.32 | stoned | Elive_user79_fr, adduser usernme groupname |
| 22:08.38 | twobitsprite | Elive_user79_fr: vi /etc/group= |
| 22:08.39 | stoned | Elive_user79_fr, man adduser |
| 22:08.43 | twobitsprite | er... s/=// |
| 22:08.44 | stoned | twobitsprite, no |
| 22:08.54 | twobitsprite | stoned: why not? |
| 22:09.01 | stoned | because no. |
| 22:09.03 | htmlol | Elive_user79_fr: addgroup username groupname |
| 22:09.06 | twobitsprite | because why? |
| 22:09.06 | stoned | use adduser |
| 22:09.11 | stoned | no |
| 22:09.13 | stoned | do not use addgroup |
| 22:09.14 | stoned | ffs. |
| 22:09.18 | stoned | go read the damn man pages |
| 22:09.19 | simonrvn | vipw |
| 22:09.19 | stoned | seriously |
| 22:09.27 | simonrvn | or adduser |
| 22:09.28 | twobitsprite | !enter |
| 22:09.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 22:09.38 | stoned | !lart twobitsprite |
| 22:09.38 | htmlol | dunno. addgroup sounded better :) |
| 22:09.38 | dpkg | puts twobitsprite into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of twobitsprite's hair of |
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| 22:09.45 | simonrvn | not addgroup |
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| 22:09.58 | Elive_user79_fr | thank you very much all of you. |
| 22:10.04 | stoned | Elive_user79_fr, is your sound working? |
| 22:10.09 | htmlol | so anyway yeah, my .bashrc is http://paste.debian.net/24327/ here |
| 22:10.11 | stoned | Elive_user79_fr, don't reboot, just relogin |
| 22:10.32 | Nielske | apt-get update returns http method dieing, strace output at http://paste.debian.net/24284/ |
| 22:10.42 | twobitsprite | seriously, what's wrong with editing /etc/group? |
| 22:10.43 | Nielske | i got helped this morning already but no solution found yet |
| 22:10.46 | nascentmind | hi. I had installed ubuntu 8.10 and I am finding it very buggy. Is it advisable or should I go for debian as i found it quite stable on my old laptop. |
| 22:11.03 | twobitsprite | Nielske: define "dying" |
| 22:11.19 | htmlol | problem still occurs with no .bashrc. |
| 22:11.23 | simonrvn | twobitsprite: for newbies to go hand-editing a system file like that is a no-no |
| 22:11.29 | streuner | nascentmind: what do you expect we recommend here in #debian? |
| 22:11.35 | amphi | nascentmind: debian testing works well here on my laptop |
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| 22:11.49 | Nielske | Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B] |
| 22:11.49 | Nielske | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
| 22:11.52 | htmlol | twobitsprite: exactly. people might not feel comfortable editing files. also there's a higher chance of screwing things up |
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| 22:12.03 | Nielske | twobitsprite: dieing :D |
| 22:12.14 | simonrvn | dying |
| 22:12.21 | nascentmind | streuner, well since its debian unstable.. i made a big mistake installing it.. i have random crashes on kde just clicking an icon. |
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| 22:12.26 | twobitsprite | Nielske: lol |
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| 22:12.50 | Nielske | inet on that box is working (remotely connected to it) |
| 22:13.00 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 22:13.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
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| 22:13.03 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 22:13.03 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny... |
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| 22:13.14 | streuner | nascentmind: well, we recommend here stable, of course, too... |
| 22:13.19 | stoned | streuner, ! |
| 22:13.20 | Nielske | i don't need proxy, those pages are loading in lynx |
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| 22:13.27 | streuner | stoned: ! |
| 22:13.28 | stoned | !beer streuner |
| 22:13.28 | dpkg | pours a pint of Piraat for streuner |
| 22:13.32 | stoned | hi buddy |
| 22:13.37 | streuner | nah, i have some wine ;-) |
| 22:13.42 | stoned | word |
| 22:13.43 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.07 | nascentmind | streuner, this machine will be a development machine and i need it to be quite stable and quite bleeding edge that is latest java or eclipse releases.. I can have that in debian right? |
| 22:14.08 | jamon | Nielske: there's always ftp://ftp.be.debian.org |
| 22:14.11 | stoned | alright |
| 22:14.12 | stoned | im going home |
| 22:14.14 | stoned | *out* |
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| 22:15.21 | twobitsprite | streuner: check packages.debian.org and see if the versions you need are in lenny |
| 22:15.38 | Nielske | apt-get update |
| 22:15.38 | Nielske | Get:1 ftp://ftp.be.debian.org etch Release.gpg [386B] |
| 22:15.39 | Nielske | E: Method ftp has died unexpectedly! |
| 22:15.39 | streuner | nascentmind: most developers just run Debian |
| 22:16.03 | jamon | Nielske: and aptitude? |
| 22:16.04 | nascentmind | wasted my time on ubuntu.. everything just randomly crashes.. sigh.. |
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| 22:16.25 | htmlol | heheh, stable and bleeding edge aren't known for going together |
| 22:16.30 | jamon | nascentmind: you really want lenny for now |
| 22:16.32 | Nielske | mmmm |
| 22:16.37 | simonrvn | Nielske: stop pasting stuff here, thanks. |
| 22:16.39 | streuner | htmlol: true |
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| 22:16.49 | Nielske | first run, the ftp belnet is working, second run; i get same error |
| 22:16.58 | streuner | nascentmind: see what htmlol said, he is right... |
| 22:17.03 | Nielske | being the method dieing unexpectedly |
| 22:17.03 | FireSlash | nascentmind, If you have random crashes in ubuntu, you might have a hardware issue... I've not had crashes in ubuntu since breezy |
| 22:17.10 | Nielske | simonrvn: excuses |
| 22:17.25 | simonrvn | Nielske: first thing that comes to mind is that you might have a corrupt file somwehere. |
| 22:17.37 | twobitsprite | Nielske: what happens if you try to ftp to something |
| 22:17.47 | nascentmind | FireSlash, I mean what do you expect if you are clicking some strange icon in kde4 and the whole screen goes blank! |
| 22:17.48 | twobitsprite | Nielske: i.e., other than apt |
| 22:17.54 | simonrvn | my ubuntu partition doesn't crash either. |
| 22:18.01 | simonrvn | (on debian side ATM, heh) |
| 22:18.12 | FireSlash | nascentmind, ubuntu uses gnome... you're thinkinf og kubuntu? |
| 22:18.16 | Nielske | ftp ftp.be.debian.org is doing the trick |
| 22:18.21 | streuner | my ubuntu version doesnt crash either, i dont have one :-P |
| 22:18.26 | Nielske | working like a charm |
| 22:18.37 | twobitsprite | Nielske: you downloaded a file? |
| 22:18.49 | anonymous_00 | sorry guys for interuptions. Do you have any tutorials related to optimal partitioning? |
| 22:19.03 | nascentmind | FireSlash, I am on kde4.. gnome was quite stable.. but still had some strange problems like fn keys killing the keyboard but the same problem is not happening in kde |
| 22:19.05 | streuner | tldp.org? |
| 22:19.10 | simonrvn | anonymous_00: what's the purpose for the machine? |
| 22:19.22 | anonymous_00 | workstation |
| 22:19.47 | FireSlash | nascentmind, For future reference, if you want to use KDE, get kubuntu. The KDE side of things is pretty much ignored in ubuntu outside of compat. |
| 22:19.54 | twobitsprite | anonymous_00: how much space do you have to carve up? |
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| 22:20.04 | simonrvn | probably separate /home, and maybe / too, the rest can stay as-is on one partition |
| 22:20.04 | FireSlash | As for debian, I've been using it for my servers since.. well.. a long time. Never had a crash :) |
| 22:20.05 | SamWeasley | Hi, everyone! |
| 22:20.06 | anonymous_00 | 160 GB |
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| 22:20.24 | SamWeasley | Someone knows where I could find a .deb for libv4l on Lenny? |
| 22:20.25 | FireSlash | (but I've never booted into an X environment either so that really doesn't say much for your situation :)) |
| 22:20.32 | brot|eee | I have the problem that after the last kernel upgrade my wlan doesn't work anymore... I have the asus eeepc 1000h, http://rafb.net/p/GoOLhr48.html , http://rafb.net/p/DyhrkU27.html |
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| 22:20.37 | SamWeasley | PS: I tried official repos and multimedia |
| 22:20.39 | Nielske | mmm twobitsprite indeed; crashes when downloading |
| 22:20.48 | simonrvn | minimum 500 MB - 1 GB / |
| 22:20.51 | anonymous_00 | i read some tutorials about partitioning, cylinders. I am confuesed a lot lol |
| 22:20.53 | jelly-home | SamWeasley: what do you need it for? |
| 22:21.02 | twobitsprite | Nielske: packettrace, ping, etc, etc... troubleshoot your network |
| 22:21.03 | nascentmind | FireSlash, for a developer machine would you prefer debian or ubuntu? I am fed up with this stability.. no work is getting done. |
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| 22:21.15 | simonrvn | !tell SamWeasley -about search |
| 22:21.19 | FireSlash | nascentmind, I develop in OSX. |
| 22:21.25 | anonymous_00 | seperate /home /usr /usr/lib hmm.... any more specific? |
| 22:21.27 | nascentmind | FireSlash, :) |
| 22:21.56 | nascentmind | FireSlash, what do people generally prefer? |
| 22:22.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i prefer debian unstable more than U****u |
| 22:22.14 | jelly-home | !nickometer sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 22:22.16 | dpkg | 'sh4d3sl4y3r_' is 52.000% lame, jelly-home |
| 22:22.31 | FireSlash | nascentmind, Most people here will tell you debian. Personally, I find ubuntu a bit better for GUI day to day things, debian is my preference for rock solid servers |
| 22:22.32 | flixil | !nicometer flixil |
| 22:22.34 | jelly-home | surprisingly low! |
| 22:22.34 | amphi | only? after all that work... |
| 22:22.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !nickometer jelly-home |
| 22:22.42 | dpkg | 'jelly-home' is 14.000% lame, sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 22:22.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 22:22.54 | Nielske | although; typed in name wrong |
| 22:22.55 | amphi | surprisingly high |
| 22:23.00 | Nielske | i can download files via ftp |
| 22:23.02 | flixil | !nickometer flixil |
| 22:23.03 | dpkg | 'flixil' is 0.000% lame, flixil |
| 22:23.05 | FireSlash | If you don't like ubuntu, consider SuSE as well, though I don't know how things have gone since it went openSuSE |
| 22:23.10 | SamWeasley | jelly-home: My webcam... I tried gspca and didn' work.. dl microdia driver from microdia-devel on google, compiled okay, detected okay (info on my dmesg) but no photo. PS: I tried microdia before they used v4l and worked okay |
| 22:23.12 | flixil | ¬¬! |
| 22:23.21 | SamWeasley | !nickometer SamWeasley |
| 22:23.23 | dpkg | 'SamWeasley' is 0.000% lame, samweasley |
| 22:23.25 | enouf | Nielske: wget works? |
| 22:23.27 | amphi | flixil: what is the meaning of that character? |
| 22:23.27 | nascentmind | FireSlash, what about fedora? |
| 22:23.36 | FireSlash | nascentmind, Not a fan. |
| 22:23.37 | twobitsprite | Nielske: you're saying you typed the name in wrong and it said "file not found", but when you typed it in right it works? |
| 22:23.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | U****u is not an operating system, its a mere software these days for noobs |
| 22:23.55 | anonymous_00 | oh for god sake i am sitting front of computer und search for REAL explanations related to partitioning for months. could anyone give me a definite guide for partitioning, please? |
| 22:23.57 | twobitsprite | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what is that even supposed to mean? |
| 22:23.59 | nascentmind | FireSlash, regarding stability? |
| 22:24.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | specially after wubi came out |
| 22:24.05 | flixil | amphi: nothing at all... but as a cool character of this channel and no lame at all I used strange chars in order to seems cooler |
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| 22:24.17 | FireSlash | nascentmind, I always had problems with their proprietary config tools not working right. |
| 22:24.29 | simonrvn | sh4d3sl4y3r_: we can also go without the fundamentalism, too. |
| 22:24.33 | twoten | who's? |
| 22:24.41 | Nielske | when i typed in ftp to mget using wrong name; it said afterwards not connected |
| 22:24.43 | amphi | flixil: I've seen it on .uk keyboards, but I've no idea of its use, and nor has anyone I've asked |
| 22:24.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | they dont give credits to the linux community, if you check the cd cover, whats written is "Ubuntu is an operating system" not "Ubuntu is a linux based distribution/ operating system" |
| 22:24.45 | Nielske | could as weel been timed out |
| 22:24.47 | jelly-home | anonymous_00: there is no definite guide, it depends on what the machine will be used for |
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| 22:24.53 | enouf | anonymous_00: no, as there's more than 1 type of partition label/type - if you mean MSDOS type, that's not too hard to find info about |
| 22:24.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and funny part is debian father ian called them blood suckers lmao |
| 22:24.57 | Nielske | anyways; first time typing mget name correct is working |
| 22:25.03 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: this is not #bashing-ubuntu |
| 22:25.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | this is not #ubuntu either |
| 22:25.17 | flixil | amphi: it's a logical not |
| 22:25.19 | Nielske | enouf : wget random gz file from ftp.be.debian.org is succeeded succesfully |
| 22:25.23 | simonrvn | sh4d3sl4y3r_: ubuntu is an OS. linux isn't an OS, it's a kernel. |
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| 22:25.41 | flixil | amphi: ¬(Av(B^C)) |
| 22:25.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I mentioned linux "based" didnt I? |
| 22:25.52 | enouf | Nielske: try apt-get install -f (man apt-get) .. and run a fsck on your system |
| 22:25.55 | anonymous_00 | I mean Linux/ext3 type. Workstation/Server. |
| 22:26.05 | amphi | flixil: ah, thanks - just what most need on their keyboard then ;) |
| 22:26.12 | twobitsprite | sh4d3sl4y3r_: this is pretty off-topic |
| 22:26.12 | brot|eee | oh, got it, my wlan works |
| 22:26.13 | simonrvn | it *sis* correct to say linux-based os, butto call linux an os is like calling the wiinnt kernel an os. |
| 22:26.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and ubuntu uses the GNU userland and the linux kernel, not something they completely made themselves that they can call it an independent OS |
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| 22:26.19 | simonrvn | is* |
| 22:26.21 | twobitsprite | sh4d3sl4y3r_: ignored |
| 22:26.25 | jelly-home | anonymous_00: will this be the only OS? |
| 22:26.25 | enouf | anonymous_00: i mean disk labels, not partition IDs |
| 22:26.32 | anonymous_00 | yes the only OS |
| 22:26.32 | flixil | amphi: it's useful to make cool faces too :P |
| 22:26.39 | Nielske | the apt-get install -f is complaining about the absence of the source package lists |
| 22:26.45 | simonrvn | but to*. damn, i gotta slow down the repat on this kbd... |
| 22:27.02 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I mean, this channel is for debian support; for anything else -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:27.25 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: please take other OS bashing elsewhere - thanks .. |
| 22:27.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i know that, but I was not the one to start Ubuntu vs Debian topic |
| 22:27.37 | ubuntoil | Hi, does anyone has experience concerning debian on a macbook ? |
| 22:27.44 | enouf | !macbook |
| 22:27.44 | dpkg | macbook is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook or now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse |
| 22:27.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | please take discussing other distributions elsewhere too - thanks |
| 22:27.54 | simonrvn | ubuntoil: just ask |
| 22:27.55 | jelly-home | anonymous_00: in that case I'd make a single partition for /, some swap space, and a big one for /home |
| 22:28.06 | simonrvn | or visit the url |
| 22:28.08 | Nielske | enouf: is it too unsave to run the fsck on a mounted filesystem? |
| 22:28.28 | ubuntoil | simonrvn: so, I go through the whole install process and when I reboot, I can't see the debian partition... |
| 22:28.47 | jelly-home | anonymous_00: or you can everything all on a single data partition, plus a swap one |
| 22:28.47 | valdyn | Nielske: its useless or dangerous, depending on the fsck options |
| 22:28.47 | enouf | Nielske: yerp ... if you have all on / ; do touch /forcefsck an reboot normally, and man fstab |
| 22:28.56 | simonrvn | .:17:20:04:. < simonrvn> probably separate /home, and maybe / too, the rest can stay as-is on one partition |
| 22:29.03 | anonymous_00 | thns jelly-home but i like to divide the disk into serveral different partitions/parts. I want to understand want each paritions DO |
| 22:29.05 | valdyn | Nielske: unless the fs is mounted ro |
| 22:29.08 | enouf | Nielske: man fstab prior :-) |
| 22:29.17 | anonymous_00 | and how much space it takes |
| 22:29.23 | enouf | !win simonrvn |
| 22:29.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:29.28 | enouf | :-) |
| 22:29.31 | simonrvn | ubuntoil: visit the url |
| 22:29.33 | ubuntoil | simonrvn: given that: I use refit, I've already had a gnu/linux on my system (worked great), and...well dunno |
| 22:29.57 | jelly-home | anonymous_00: there's no need to do it. |
| 22:30.00 | Nielske | going to reboot then |
| 22:30.11 | Nielske | it is mounted rw |
| 22:30.15 | simonrvn | ubuntoil: yeh, i'vve had issues come up like this in #debianppc |
| 22:30.33 | simonrvn | morre like just chatting than anything, but what they hey ;) |
| 22:30.38 | enouf | anonymous_00: pcguide.com .. partitions are walls |
| 22:30.39 | simonrvn | the* |
| 22:30.54 | simonrvn | AARG. /me wanders off to fix the kbd settings |
| 22:31.07 | jelly-home | anonymous_00: if you _like_ multiple partitions I guess that would be based on positive experience, and you wouldn't have to ask this question? |
| 22:31.10 | anonymous_00 | I know. but i read some articles about performence and cylinders or whatever. It seems that seperate partitions increase performence because of physical structur of HDD. @enouf i will take a look at that |
| 22:31.12 | enouf | anonymous_00: toss the concept to the curb, just as you should how LBA works :-P |
| 22:31.30 | enouf | anonymous_00: outer parts of the platters are faster |
| 22:31.38 | enouf | that's all you need to know |
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| 22:31.53 | jelly-home | but then seeking is slow. |
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| 22:31.58 | SamWeasley | Sorry, I crashed |
| 22:31.59 | enouf | partition numbering starts from the outside-> in towards spindle |
| 22:32.04 | anonymous_00 | i already know. it drives me mad xD |
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| 22:32.09 | SamWeasley | Bad WiFi sharing |
| 22:32.09 | simonrvn | omg, ld is at like 600 MiB vm ... |
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| 22:33.42 | Nielske | mmm |
| 22:33.57 | Nielske | i did the touch /forcefsck and rebooted |
| 22:34.05 | simonrvn | enouf: ORLY? i thought it went the other way. |
| 22:34.07 | Nielske | where can i notice the result of the fsck? |
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| 22:34.18 | enouf | anonymous_00: better learn how latency over the years, as single HDDs store more data, yet same amount of heads is a real concern then - start looking into raid and lvm then, which you don't need to know about old stle DOS partitioning to use |
| 22:34.24 | simonrvn | is that arch. indep.? |
| 22:34.50 | enouf | simonrvn: yerp - rly, Optical media writes in the opposite direction .. from spindle outwards |
| 22:35.16 | simonrvn | ok, it's hw design. thanks for the info |
| 22:35.17 | SamWeasley | hey, you have suggested me apt-file |
| 22:35.36 | SamWeasley | but i installed it and, apt-file update i received |
| 22:35.41 | SamWeasley | Can't get http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Contents-i386.gz |
| 22:35.52 | enouf | Nielske: in /var/log/fsck/* here |
| 22:36.01 | anonymous_00 | ok i will take ur advice thnx ^^ |
| 22:36.07 | simonrvn | ignore that. just means that mirror doesn't have that file |
| 22:36.17 | anonymous_00 | damn i want to be a geek of linux ÖD |
| 22:36.18 | anonymous_00 | ÖD |
| 22:36.20 | anonymous_00 | :D |
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| 22:36.50 | FireSlash | anonymous_00, Don't believe them; linux geeks don't get laid =/ |
| 22:37.01 | nsadmin | I'm running etch on a laptop and want to run ardour and jack... jack is started, ardour is running and I have an audio track... how do I connect it to some alsa dsp? |
| 22:37.03 | SamWeasley | simonrvn: thanks... |
| 22:37.03 | anonymous_00 | lol |
| 22:37.14 | flixil | FireSlash: I'm gonna sleep laid... |
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| 22:37.29 | SamWeasley | I need now just dicover which package gives v4l2convert.so |
| 22:37.33 | SamWeasley | :) |
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| 22:37.40 | Elive_user79_fr | Sorry for intruding again. Still with my sound problem... Running 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' as root only gives two weak 'pop'. I ignore if oss modules are loaded or not as well as esound & arts are stopped. |
| 22:37.41 | flixil | SamWeasley: use apt-file search filename |
| 22:37.42 | danielig | hello debianistos |
| 22:37.49 | Nielske | enouf: output of those two files is http://paste.debian.net/24328/ |
| 22:37.53 | Nielske | nothing special there |
| 22:37.57 | nsadmin | anonymous_00: oh good... so you'll be doing a LOT of reading |
| 22:38.10 | FireSlash | That too. |
| 22:38.31 | SamWeasley | flixil: That's what I'm saying. apt-file didn't catch the Contents.gz file |
| 22:38.46 | nsadmin | learning how to read tech docs, getting to the point where reading would be your first stop when you have questions |
| 22:38.54 | anonymous_00 | I dont like reading ^^ but I think i have to ... gosjh |
| 22:38.57 | SamWeasley | I'm trying again |
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| 22:39.03 | flixil | SamWeasley: have you done apt-file update? |
| 22:39.14 | SamWeasley | Yep |
| 22:39.26 | nsadmin | believe me... if you don't like reading, maybe linux is not for you |
| 22:39.26 | SamWeasley | I posted a little ago the error message |
| 22:39.45 | enouf | Nielske: other thoughts; is debian-archive-keyring installed? how about apt-key binary exists? |
| 22:39.58 | flixil | SamWeasley: |
| 22:39.59 | SamWeasley | problem is... I don't know if Contents.gz really didn't exist or my connection is crap |
| 22:40.04 | flixil | have you tried another server? |
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| 22:40.25 | FireSlash | has SSH windows open to 3 boxes, and XenCenter open working with 2 more boxes... and is not a linux geek. =/ |
| 22:40.42 | simonrvn | SamWeasley: packages.debian.org can show you |
| 22:40.45 | nsadmin | xencenter? I'll have to try that someday |
| 22:40.46 | flixil | SamWeasley: if you put the official française server it's working now and got those .contents.gz |
| 22:40.51 | enouf | Nielske: you said you installed from 3 floppies, then the rest through the net? i think you're missing something (base system - required/important) necessary .. is dpkg installed? |
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| 22:40.57 | GeckoPie | Hi, I'm trying to automate aptitude dist-upgrade fully, I know you can pass it the -y flag however sometimes I'm hit with dialog boxes warning yo uthat cron is about to restart etc...is there a way to automate those also? |
| 22:40.59 | Nielske | apt-key binary is installed (without arguments it displays the helpfile) |
| 22:41.00 | enouf | Nielske: which arch is that? |
| 22:41.22 | nsadmin | the arch of holodeck 2 |
| 22:41.23 | FireSlash | nsadmin, It's nice for performance profiling, since it can monitor CPU, IO, net, and ram, but it's a bit of a headache at times. |
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| 22:41.33 | ryanCH | according to linux i don't have the graphics card drivers installed, but i still can use the OpenGL screensavers, is this normal? |
| 22:41.35 | ryanCH | ... |
| 22:41.39 | SamWeasley | simonrvn: thanks! I'm going on it now... |
| 22:41.53 | Nielske | enouf: that last one; how do i check? cat /proc/version ? |
| 22:42.05 | enouf | Nielske: dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring gpg .. and have you googled that error? Debian Method http failed? |
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| 22:42.22 | enouf | Nielske: you don;t know? :-P sure that'll help |
| 22:43.16 | Nielske | yeah ok, should be etch rls |
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| 22:43.32 | enouf | er .. show us :-) |
| 22:44.00 | Nielske | ii debian-archive-keyring 2007.07.31~etch1 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 22:44.26 | enouf | ryanCH: i think so - libgl1-mesa-{dri.glx} will take care of that when no hardware-accel is present, IINM |
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| 22:44.58 | ryanCH | does that mean i can use "3d desktop" ?? |
| 22:45.16 | enouf | ryanCH: oh .. and possibly the libgswx11 or something named pkgs .. for DE effects |
| 22:45.16 | SamWeasley | well... I made something wrogn |
| 22:45.19 | SamWeasley | *wrong |
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| 22:45.33 | enouf | ryanCH: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:45.41 | FireSlash | ryanCH, Notice how those OpenGL screensavers are REALLY REALLY HORRIFICALLY slow? |
| 22:45.44 | SamWeasley | I used packages.debian.org and it said that in main there was a libv4l-0 |
| 22:45.57 | Elive_user79_fr | Intruding again... Can someone tell me what a mute output when running 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' as root means ? |
| 22:46.27 | enouf | Elive_user79_fr: what? is that an error message? |
| 22:46.43 | ryanCH | enouf: i tried installing my nvidia driver, but it seems to be more complicated than it should be :( |
| 22:46.47 | enouf | the "aplay ...." command is a test |
| 22:46.58 | Elive_user79_fr | No, its a test. |
| 22:47.02 | enouf | !tell Elive_user79_fr -about soundcheck |
| 22:47.09 | enouf | !tell Elive_user79_fr -about speaker-test |
| 22:47.25 | jelly-home | tell Elive_user79_fr about "based on debian"? |
| 22:47.27 | enouf | ryanCH: well .. complain the #nvidia |
| 22:47.30 | Elive_user79_fr | Yes but it doesnt give anything out of the LS. |
| 22:47.33 | enouf | s/the/to |
| 22:47.44 | flixil | Elive_user79_fr: I got Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono no error |
| 22:47.45 | enouf | LS == LoudSpeaker? |
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| 22:49.30 | enouf | Nielske: i meant cat /proc/version .. as well as |
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| 22:50.15 | Nielske | Linux version 2.6.18-6-486 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Mon Oct 13 15:35:23 UTC 2008 |
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| 22:50.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lolz enouf |
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| 22:51.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | that was to verify he is not using ahem the one which should not be named here |
| 22:51.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | xD |
| 22:51.29 | enouf | Nielske: is there some sort of http_proxy variable set? echo $HTTP_PROXY ; echo $http_proxy |
| 22:52.05 | Nielske | both empty |
| 22:52.12 | enouf | Nielske: although, ftp://ftp also fails? so apt-get and aptitude fail, but wget and plain ftp allow d/l directly? |
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| 22:52.40 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: bingo :-p |
| 22:52.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao |
| 22:52.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | u know enouf |
| 22:52.58 | Nielske | enouf: when i put the ftp://ftp in the sources.list the method ftp fails |
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| 22:52.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | once i was experimenting |
| 22:53.08 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: although a Debian Kernel alone does NOT make a debian installation ;-) |
| 22:53.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i was using the buntu kernel for my debian and cat /proc/version showed it buntu lmfao |
| 22:53.23 | Nielske | i am able however to wget and ftp (+mget) from the local belgian mirror |
| 22:53.24 | enouf | Nielske: righto - hit up google, i'm out of ideas |
| 22:53.38 | nsadmin | hmm, starting to get the hang of this :) |
| 22:53.43 | Nielske | i went to google before arriving here :-) |
| 22:53.56 | Elive_user79_fr | how to stop speaker-test please ? |
| 22:54.08 | Nielske | i will move pc to a different location later this week |
| 22:54.15 | enouf | Nielske: it's something easy .. i just can't think of what ... pastebin that strace again for others |
| 22:54.36 | enouf | Elive_user79_fr: ctrl-c |
| 22:54.38 | Nielske | http://paste.debian.net/24284 |
| 22:54.47 | Nielske | that's the strace |
| 22:54.53 | Elive_user79_fr | thank you. |
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| 22:55.12 | enouf | the speaker-test factoid mentions it :-P |
| 22:55.13 | Elive_user79_fr | Still no output with speaker-test. |
| 22:55.22 | Nielske | enouf : thx again for all the support so far; i am in other linux channels or whatever, and here most effort was put it to try to help me |
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| 22:55.26 | enouf | i think .. or is it <soundcheck> |
| 22:55.39 | enouf | Nielske: np |
| 22:55.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Nielske i am using Debian just 4 months now, and I am impressed by the community support which keeps me away from using any other distro |
| 22:55.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so its good |
| 22:56.15 | enouf | Elive_user79_fr: chekc the wiring - spkrs are plugged into correct jacks? |
| 22:56.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | personally i used fedora for 5 years , but now i use Debian personally and Fedora for my work |
| 22:56.36 | Nielske | i used archlinux before |
| 22:56.36 | enouf | awaits - "but ... it's a laptop" |
| 22:56.44 | Unconfined | Nielske, same here |
| 22:56.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | arch linux is awesome who wants a traditional distribution |
| 22:56.54 | jelly-home | fedora for work? O.o |
| 22:56.57 | Unconfined | I am on SuSE right now but making the switch |
| 22:56.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | clears some of the linux ideas |
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| 22:57.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | slackware is similar but arch has an added package manager |
| 22:57.21 | Unconfined | killer on SuSE for me is "legal decisions" that Novell have made |
| 22:57.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | anyways this is going too much off topic here |
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| 22:57.35 | nsadmin | slack has a package mgr? but I digress :) |
| 22:57.38 | Unconfined | audacity with no mp3 support despite having so-called "legal" support XD |
| 22:57.39 | Nielske | btw, is there supposed to be a lock file in /var/lib/apt/lists/ directory? |
| 22:57.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | killer on Fedora for me is Redhat using Fedora a base for RHEL whereas terming fedora an unsupported product of red hat |
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| 22:58.07 | melkart | i have a serious bug here and i know that i am not the only one bitten by it, but in order to give useful info to maintainers, i need somebody with very good expertise in networking issues to help me to track it down |
| 22:58.18 | Unconfined | sh4d3sl4y3r_, killer on Fedora for me was the handling of their major security issue that time |
| 22:58.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 22:58.31 | enouf | erm .. Nielske - there's a lock -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2008-11-11 03:05 lock |
| 22:59.10 | enouf | Nielske: check with ps aux and see how many instances of apt/aptitude/dpkg are running, kill those |
| 22:59.11 | aleij | so, i will like to have advice on what netinstaller to choose for a thinkpad w500, between [i386] and [ia64]? |
| 22:59.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Debian is good, people should contribute more to make it survive |
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| 22:59.41 | Unconfined | it has the most contribution of all the distros xD |
| 22:59.42 | PeterFA | Would you guys recommend installing KDE4 for those who actually like it any time soon? |
| 22:59.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | not financially like red hat and novell funding opensuse and fedora |
| 23:00.18 | jamon | aleij: you do not want ia64, that's intel's itanium |
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| 23:00.50 | aleij | jamon: ok |
| 23:00.59 | nsadmin | aleij: what processor is it |
| 23:01.02 | Unconfined | amd64 you mean right? |
| 23:01.05 | SQlvpapir | get the amd64 |
| 23:01.06 | jamon | aleij: do you want 64bit? |
| 23:01.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but ya thanks to redhat for providing some of the easiest system-config tools for debian |
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| 23:01.23 | Nielske | i removed btw that partial file in that dir |
| 23:01.27 | Nielske | and now it works ... |
| 23:01.40 | nsadmin | lots of nonfree things haven't been built for amd64 |
| 23:01.47 | Nielske | how misterious is that, after 3 weeks |
| 23:01.47 | Unconfined | nsadmin, like what? |
| 23:01.48 | jamon | nsadmin: like? |
| 23:01.50 | enouf | Nielske: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 2008-12-12 04:37 partial <-- a dir/ not a file |
| 23:01.50 | Unconfined | Java and Flash are |
| 23:01.58 | Unconfined | Flash 10 has an AMD64 version |
| 23:02.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | my pc is an amd64 but i use the 32bit OS |
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| 23:02.07 | Unconfined | it's alpha but works :P |
| 23:02.11 | Nielske | in that dir; i removed the file |
| 23:02.14 | enouf | Nielske: recreate it, mine's empty |
| 23:02.25 | Unconfined | Java has had 64bit support from OpenJDK and IcedTea for ages >.> |
| 23:02.38 | aleij | jamon: the processor is Intel Core 2 Duo |
| 23:02.51 | jamon | aleij: then amd64 is what you want |
| 23:02.54 | Nielske | mmm okay installing |
| 23:02.59 | jelly-home | Unconfined: where "Ages" ~ /about a year/? |
| 23:03.01 | nsadmin | so you want either i386 or amd64 |
| 23:03.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << prefers AMD over Intel |
| 23:03.09 | danielig | melkart: what are you talking about? |
| 23:03.16 | drazak | it's called amd64 because amd got to it first |
| 23:03.24 | aleij | alright, but just one thing |
| 23:03.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yup |
| 23:03.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb folks |
| 23:03.32 | aleij | about packages |
| 23:03.45 | Unconfined | jelly, less than that |
| 23:03.47 | jelly-home | melkart: is it an installer bug? |
| 23:03.56 | Unconfined | a few months but they refresh it regularly |
| 23:04.02 | aleij | how well is supported the 64bit arch? |
| 23:04.05 | nsadmin | so it's less than one age :) |
| 23:04.10 | jelly-home | Unconfined: interesting value for "ages", in any case |
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| 23:04.16 | aleij | im sure there are tons of packages |
| 23:04.32 | Unconfined | jelly, I define ages as a month or so xD |
| 23:04.36 | jamon | drazak: http://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2004/06/msg00041.html |
| 23:04.37 | melkart | on my system, in order for internet to work, i have to disable ipv6. when i do that, internet works fine... except for these programs: aptitude, apt-get, w3m |
| 23:04.39 | nsadmin | do all the packages build? |
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| 23:04.47 | jelly-home | defined Unconfined as a youngster |
| 23:04.54 | melkart | only with these programs it always takes 5 secs to resolve a host |
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| 23:05.10 | danielig | melkart: this is not a serious bug |
| 23:05.24 | jelly-home | melkart: any mention of mdns in your /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 23:05.34 | giacus | hi all |
| 23:05.36 | enouf | Nielske: is it possible that not having any 'locale' set is an issue? ever do dpkg-reconfigure locale? 1st - pastebin output of 'locale' please |
| 23:05.39 | melkart | danielig, sorry then... |
| 23:05.54 | jelly-home | danielig: it's a serious nuisance though |
| 23:05.55 | nsadmin | what are some jack connector apps? |
| 23:05.59 | danielig | melkart you must give more info about this: your system, your machine etc |
| 23:06.02 | aleij | jamon: cant really find the words to state my question, but is related on how "stable" is to have a machine with the 64bit branch? |
| 23:06.03 | melkart | jelly-home, no... what should be in it? |
| 23:06.04 | giacus | looking for a good organizer: mail, contacts, groups etc.. any suggestion ? |
| 23:06.06 | Unconfined | melkart, make sure that dns is on the list not just mdns4_minimal |
| 23:06.11 | enouf | Nielske: er, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" <-- it's plural, my mistake |
| 23:06.27 | jamon | aleij: i run amd64 lenny on my thinkpad and have for ages, it's fine :) |
| 23:06.27 | jelly-home | melkart: no, but it could be a cause for 5 second delays in the resolver |
| 23:06.39 | aleij | ok, tx |
| 23:06.46 | giacus | hello |
| 23:06.53 | nsadmin | wasn't locales split off into its own package from libc6? |
| 23:06.53 | danielig | hi giacus |
| 23:07.04 | giacus | hi danielig :) |
| 23:07.09 | melkart | it says "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" |
| 23:07.15 | Nielske | enouf: for some reason it's working now |
| 23:07.26 | jelly-home | melkart: that's NOT "no mention of mdns" |
| 23:07.28 | amphi | aleij: amd64 lenny has been running well on my stinkpad for months |
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| 23:07.46 | Nielske | so it's installing upgraded packages and going for reboot |
| 23:07.50 | melkart | jelly-home, sorry.... |
| 23:07.51 | aleij | sure, i really dont doubt it runs |
| 23:07.53 | jelly-home | melkart: replace the hosts line with just "hosts: files dns" |
| 23:07.54 | enouf | Nielske: you removed some corrupt or something files in partial/ and all partial named files .. ok |
| 23:08.07 | aleij | is more about certain packages that wont be ready or stable |
| 23:08.13 | enouf | !kill avahi-daemon |
| 23:08.14 | dpkg | chops avahi-daemon's head off with his teeth |
| 23:08.24 | jelly-home | melkart: report whether it helps |
| 23:08.27 | enouf | melkart: is avahi-daemon running? kill it |
| 23:08.36 | Nielske | yeah, but still it's strange |
| 23:08.39 | jelly-home | enouf: the daemon is unimportant |
| 23:08.41 | Elive_user79_fr | I have just checked the wiring,, the speaker, the cord, no problem on this side it seems. |
| 23:08.47 | Nielske | so let's hope it stays working now |
| 23:08.53 | giacus | I just tried obm from omb.org on Debian Etch but I got hard to configure out the CA , any idea for a good alternative ? |
| 23:08.53 | jelly-home | enouf: stupid default using it is |
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| 23:09.12 | enouf | jelly-home: i know the real issue is libmdns-whatever ... |
| 23:09.21 | enouf | yeah |
| 23:09.27 | enouf | no reason to be running |
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| 23:10.34 | nsadmin | where did /proc/asound go? |
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| 23:10.36 | jelly-home | wonders whether there's a bug filed and whether it's fixed in lenny |
| 23:10.43 | melkart | do i need to reboot? i did both, and as of now, it still takes 5 secs to resolve the host for aptitude |
| 23:10.48 | jelly-home | melkart: no |
| 23:10.53 | Gigantic | !police |
| 23:11.05 | jelly-home | melkart: the results would be immediate |
| 23:11.08 | nsadmin | !sting |
| 23:11.14 | pingouin | cops out ? |
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| 23:11.29 | orzo | hello |
| 23:11.35 | Gigantic | weou weou weou, it's the on-topic police |
| 23:11.43 | orzo | i'd like some help setting up my X desktop to use larger fonts |
| 23:11.52 | orzo | i set -dpi 100 |
| 23:11.57 | orzo | is there anything else i can do? |
| 23:12.09 | orzo | i dont have a xft server installed, do i need one? |
| 23:12.10 | nsadmin | install the 100 dpi fonts? |
| 23:12.12 | jelly-home | melkart: do you have a simpler way to reproduce the issue, for example "getent hosts whateveryourdebianmirror"? |
| 23:12.28 | orzo | xfonts-100dpi is installed, nsadmin |
| 23:12.49 | orzo | i want the fonts bigger still |
| 23:12.59 | Gigantic | ew, just change the wm's fonts to use larger sizes |
| 23:13.05 | melkart | jelly-home, maybe... it also happens when i open a website with w3m |
| 23:13.08 | nsadmin | the fonts you have should be scalable |
| 23:13.20 | melkart | then w3m spends 5 secs "opening socket...." |
| 23:13.45 | jelly-home | melkart: so try getent hosts google.com or whatever the site name |
| 23:13.54 | jelly-home | melkart: does it pause? |
| 23:13.56 | Elive_user79_fr | Still me with my sound problem : LS and wires and connections seems ok.. |
| 23:14.06 | melkart | jelly-home, yes, it does |
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| 23:14.41 | nsadmin | Elive_user79_fr: maybe that's not specific enough for anyone to figure out |
| 23:14.54 | Lagbolt | anyone know what this message is about "GPE storm detected", shows up in dmesg related to ACPI |
| 23:15.04 | jamon | Elive_user79_fr: it's always an alsamixer problem :p |
| 23:15.19 | Elive_user79_fr | Could it come from power supply ? |
| 23:15.30 | GeckoPie | Hi, I'm trying to automate aptitude dist-upgrade fully, I know you can pass it the -y flag however sometimes I'm hit with dialog boxes warning yo uthat cron is about to restart etc...is there a way to automate those also? |
| 23:15.30 | nsadmin | I have to use hdspmixer |
| 23:15.36 | enouf | orzo: perhaps some setting within your DE preferences > Accessibility can make that easier? |
| 23:15.55 | jamon | GeckoPie: that's a really bad idea |
| 23:15.57 | jelly-home | melkart: great. install strace, run something like "strace -o getent-strace.log -tt -TT getent hosts google.com", and pastebin the log file |
| 23:16.06 | enouf | Elive_user79_fr: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 ; cat /proc/version |
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| 23:16.58 | enouf | Elive_user79_fr: install alsa-utils and alsa-oss, do the steps in "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" |
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| 23:17.29 | enouf | ahh file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html |
| 23:18.05 | enouf | ^fives the klipper that's set to save 1000s of last cut/copy :-p |
| 23:18.57 | Tekno | mitä hyötyy readaheadist o |
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| 23:20.27 | Elive_user79_fr | Sorry cannot paste from my terminal output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 ; cat /proc/version gives roughly : |
| 23:20.37 | melkart | http://paste.debian.net/24333/ |
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| 23:21.11 | Elive_user79_fr | ii libc6 2.7-16 |
| 23:21.27 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 23:21.27 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-1 |
| 23:21.36 | Elive_user79_fr | gnu c library sharde library |
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| 23:22.12 | Elive_user79_fr | linux version 2.6.26.8-elive-686 |
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| 23:22.18 | enouf | heh |
| 23:22.23 | nsadmin | so you're either running lenny or etch |
| 23:22.32 | Elive_user79_fr | gcc version 4.3.2 |
| 23:22.43 | nsadmin | err lenny or sid |
| 23:22.47 | enouf | jelly-home: doh! .. i forgot elive was the name of a mutant! @_@ |
| 23:22.51 | Elive_user79_fr | lenny i think |
| 23:23.03 | Elive_user79_fr | (unstable) |
| 23:23.19 | nsadmin | lenny and unstable are different |
| 23:23.20 | enouf | Elive_user79_fr: please see #elive or ##linux or somewhere else |
| 23:23.31 | dusted | sid is unstable,always |
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| 23:23.52 | GeckoPie | jamon: It's not to be croned or anything, just upon the first setup of a box...I do it a lot of times a day |
| 23:23.57 | GeckoPie | Any idea on how I can do it? |
| 23:24.06 | nsadmin | no wonder... I always see him with a syringe in his hand |
| 23:24.24 | jamon | GeckoPie: for that maybe you want a generic dd image :) |
| 23:24.48 | Elive_user79_fr | alsa-utils & alsa-oss already installed. |
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| 23:24.56 | GeckoPie | jamon: All boxes are different unfortuantly so that's not really worth while |
| 23:25.04 | GeckoPie | I'd just like to automate updates and a few other pre install stuff |
| 23:25.07 | GeckoPie | then I can purpose the box |
| 23:25.12 | GeckoPie | Any idea how please? |
| 23:25.58 | jamon | cron-apt i guess GeckoPie |
| 23:25.59 | nsadmin | you could set the ui for debconf to noninteractive |
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| 23:26.27 | tame | is there a way to install a driver for bcm43xx on powerpc? |
| 23:26.49 | GeckoPie | I'd like to use aptitude rather than apt...for reason I've been told off for before in here :P |
| 23:26.50 | nsadmin | you really want a box that might become unpredictably unusable? |
| 23:26.52 | GeckoPie | apt-cache I assume uses apt |
| 23:26.58 | Elive_user79_fr | Do you think my problem with sound could come from power supply someone ? |
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| 23:27.07 | GeckoPie | Well I doubt a fresh install would render a box unusable |
| 23:27.12 | GeckoPie | I've never seen that before |
| 23:27.19 | GeckoPie | Even if it does, its got no data on it so i'll reinstall again |
| 23:27.52 | nsadmin | GeckoPie: are you running etch, or what? |
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| 23:28.23 | GeckoPie | nsadmin: Stable with testing updates |
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| 23:29.37 | amphi | 'stable with testing updates'? |
| 23:29.42 | jamon | washes his hands of any apt advice given |
| 23:29.49 | jamon | i quit |
| 23:30.33 | tame | can someone help me install bcm driver? |
| 23:30.35 | tame | im on ppc |
| 23:30.36 | nsadmin | GeckoPie: just so you know... that is very likely to not work, and getting more unlikely as lenny progresses |
| 23:30.54 | sonicfart | Is there a way to get Debian cd sent to my residents in florida Free of charge? |
| 23:31.24 | nsadmin | at minimum, you'd be installing packages built against one libc and running on an earlier one |
| 23:31.34 | amphi | tame: what card? 43xx ? |
| 23:31.44 | tame | 4306 rev2 |
| 23:31.45 | nsadmin | not guaranteed to work :) |
| 23:32.00 | GeckoPie | Fair enough |
| 23:32.10 | GeckoPie | But is there really no way to automate an aptitude update and upgrade? |
| 23:32.14 | GeckoPie | I'll live with the failures |
| 23:32.32 | amphi | !tell tame -about bcm43xx |
| 23:32.33 | nsadmin | why not just upgrade the box to testing/lenny |
| 23:32.51 | tame | also, how can i tell what version of debian im using? |
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| 23:33.02 | amphi | tame: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:33.05 | amphi | haha |
| 23:33.16 | amphi | BCM43: you have a ppc customer ;) |
| 23:33.36 | amphi | nsadmin: there is a working driver for etch - why should he upgrade for this? |
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| 23:34.01 | GeckoPie | I could do yes nsadmin, I'll experiement once I know how to auto update |
| 23:34.05 | GeckoPie | as I need that first :-) |
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| 23:34.08 | BCM43 | when running startx on a Powerbook G4 I get the error "VGE(0): V_BIOS address 0x55580 out of range |
| 23:34.13 | nsadmin | sonicfart: sure... download the image, burn it, give it to someone at the residence |
| 23:34.15 | GeckoPie | Its irrelevant what I use as I'll still need an update |
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| 23:35.27 | nsadmin | GeckoPie: while you'd be running something that's somewhat less stable under normal circumstances, there would at least be no issues due to wrong libc version |
| 23:36.07 | bhundven | can't wait for his Samsung Q1U-CMXP umpc to show up... |
| 23:36.10 | sonicfart | How stable is the testing beanch of Debian( should I uss it on abox that is meant for regular use or just stick with Etch? |
| 23:36.15 | nsadmin | you're better off trying to backport the packages |
| 23:36.19 | GeckoPie | fair do, i'll prob do that then |
| 23:36.24 | GeckoPie | BUT how do I auto update :-D |
| 23:36.51 | nsadmin | I guess sthere's a cron-apt package |
| 23:37.43 | Unconfined | sonicfart, you can't really know till you've tried it |
| 23:38.02 | nsadmin | sonicfart: testing is probably pretty good |
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| 23:38.29 | nsadmin | but having said that it's a moving target |
| 23:38.55 | nsadmin | etch is mostly stationary |
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| 23:39.01 | sonicfart | thanks nsadmin |
| 23:39.24 | nsadmin | what are you looking to do with linux/debian |
| 23:39.47 | BCM43 | when running startx on a Powerbook G4 I get the error "VGE(0): V_BIOS address 0x55580 out of range |
| 23:40.00 | nsadmin | server serving thousands of users that has to stay -UP- all the time? |
| 23:40.11 | jelly-home | BCM43: you've already said that! |
| 23:40.36 | sonicfart | I am lookng to run a machine for daily use with minimum downtime and Software Hardware Head Aches. |
| 23:40.37 | melkart | jelly-home, did you find anything in my paste which explains what causes it? |
| 23:40.38 | BCM43 | jelly-home: I know, but it had been five minutes. perhaps that was not enough in a not very busy channel |
| 23:41.39 | jelly-home | melkart: sorry, didn't see it |
| 23:41.58 | melkart | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/24333/ |
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| 23:43.33 | sonicfart | BCM43: Are you sure it wasn't five miliseconds? |
| 23:44.06 | BCM43 | sonicfart: yes |
| 23:44.14 | BCM43 | look at the times stamps |
| 23:44.42 | newsense | anyway to jump to a certain keyword in a text file ? |
| 23:44.45 | bhundven | melkart: 10.0.2.3? |
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| 23:45.51 | bhundven | melkart: is this running in kvm or qemu? |
| 23:46.08 | melkart | bhundven: in virtualbox... |
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| 23:48.40 | jamon | newsense: vi, use /word |
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| 23:49.29 | yert | what package do I need to install to get the sudo command? |
| 23:49.30 | bhundven | melkart: so on the host in virtualbox, does the /etc/resolv.conf have the same dns values as the HOST OS (the one running virtualbox)? |
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| 23:49.52 | bhundven | melkart: or do you see the 10.0.2.3 in there? |
| 23:51.00 | melkart | bhundven: no, the host has nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:51.06 | syslq | I wish to port one application from windows to linux. Not really port but clone it's interface and doing my own source code and releasing an app under GPL or whatever is the most non restrective license. Should I contact the original author and ask if it's ok? I'm only actually duplicating interface since I suck at layouts and usability (like many linux coders to be honest) |
| 23:51.17 | nsadmin | I have an hdsp setup, it's running with jack... I'm sending a sinewave signal to one of the inputs, hdspmixer shows it's there, how do I hear it? (rme multiface 2) |
| 23:51.25 | melkart | and the guest has this weird IP in resolv.conf |
| 23:51.38 | bhundven | melkart: weird == 10.0.2.3? |
| 23:51.45 | melkart | bhundven: yes |
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| 23:52.11 | bhundven | melkart: change it to 192.168.1.1 and see what happens... |
| 23:52.13 | newsense | jamon, thanks |
| 23:52.15 | melkart | sorry, the host has 192.168.2.1, actually |
| 23:52.23 | Unconfined | syslq, if you are not using any source code then no need |
| 23:52.23 | bhundven | er... then 192.168.2.1 |
| 23:52.34 | nsadmin | most linux coders ought to read "Apple Human Interface Guidelines" |
| 23:52.43 | Unconfined | syslq, only if you are using source code from that app you are "cloning" |
| 23:53.22 | maligor | newsense, most apple coders ought to read it also |
| 23:53.29 | bhundven | maligor: lol |
| 23:53.38 | maligor | they don't really follow it themselves |
| 23:53.53 | melkart | bhundven: it has no effect... i installed debian natively, too, several times and got this bug |
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| 23:54.04 | maligor | GNOME Human Interface Guidelines might be a better read |
| 23:54.15 | nsadmin | worst offenders being microsoft and apple themselves |
| 23:54.17 | bhundven | melkart: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=43721 |
| 23:54.24 | maligor | http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/ |
| 23:54.32 | syslq | Unconfined: Nope, it's propertary app so I'm not using any of their source, it's basically just trivial gui frontend for libvacodec, ffmpeg, mencoder itd... I'm implementing it in java. I got tired of typing and most decent ones are for kde |
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| 23:54.39 | nsadmin | they didn't do the interface research tho |
| 23:54.45 | tame | where is the volatile repo? |
| 23:54.51 | jelly-home | melkart: hm, your dns server doesn't answer the first three queries, and I can't figure out what are the exact queries asked. Do you have ipv6 enabled perhaps? |
| 23:55.20 | bhundven | I sometimes bless multicast, and sometimes I curse it... |
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| 23:55.32 | syslq | Unconfined: The app is called SUPER, and it's awsome frontend on windows, the only thing I really miss since I have started using linux |
| 23:56.32 | melkart | jelly-home: lsmod | grep ipv6 gives me no output, so i guess no |
| 23:57.08 | melkart | jelly: i added three lines into /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, manually, like "alias net-pf-10 off, alias net-pf-10 ipv6 off, alias ipv6 off" |
| 23:57.19 | maligor | you mean Super © |
| 23:57.20 | jelly-home | good. |
| 23:57.21 | Unconfined | syslq, if you're coding it all from scratch but just making the visuals look lioke SUPER then you won't need permission |
| 23:57.30 | melkart | and also wrote in "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local" "blacklist ipv6" |
| 23:57.31 | syslq | maligor: yes the one |
| 23:57.34 | maligor | heh |
| 23:57.35 | Unconfined | like* |
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| 23:57.54 | BCM43 | when running startx on a Powerbook G4 I get the error "VGE(0): V_BIOS address 0x55580 out of range |
| 23:57.56 | jelly-home | melkart: I just do "install ipv6 /bin/true" ;-) |
| 23:57.59 | Unconfined | you know it probably works in Wine anyway :P |
| 23:58.03 | syslq | Unconfined: Thanks a lot, it's from scratch and who better to ask than debian people (on licensing issues I mean) |
| 23:58.29 | Unconfined | haha. best people are #fsf ;) |
| 23:58.34 | enouf | melkart: iinm, there should already be lines in both /modprobe.d/aliases and any /modules.conf? that you can comment/uncomment |
| 23:59.11 | syslq | Unconfined: Checked the forums and it doesnt but hey, even if it did I'm a good sysadmin and bad coder but as sysadmin I usually have time to code so :) |
