| 00:01.43 | maligor | scx, java, bunch of totem plugins |
| 00:01.45 | ubuntoil | or I can try apt-setup..?? |
| 00:02.23 | scx | maligor: I have it empty... but for the flashplugin |
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| 00:02.44 | scx | maligor: I replaced IW with FF, maybe they went to somwhere else |
| 00:03.02 | ubuntoil | given that I wanna add the non-free repo |
| 00:03.04 | scx | so a locate exaple.so would help :) |
| 00:03.15 | scx | thqat might be the reason it is not working |
| 00:03.40 | ubuntoil | feels like is talking alone... |
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| 00:09.25 | ubuntoil | ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian is a valid address ?? |
| 00:11.00 | kunwon1 | ubuntoil, yes |
| 00:11.09 | ubuntoil | and deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian lenny non-free a correct entry ? |
| 00:11.21 | scx | wonder where the H are the FF plugins |
| 00:13.09 | ubuntoil | kunwon1: and deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian lenny non-free a correct entry ? |
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| 00:13.44 | kunwon1 | ubuntoil, I don't see a problem with it |
| 00:13.55 | ubuntoil | kunwon1: ok, I |
| 00:14.04 | ubuntoil | 'll try it right now.. |
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| 00:17.23 | Arkonide | hello, how can i record cpu usage from a process and write it to a file? |
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| 00:20.24 | zhoste | testing irssi |
| 00:20.54 | scx | testing my patience |
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| 00:22.40 | Arkonide | hello, how can i record cpu usage from a process and write it to a file? |
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| 00:23.20 | quik__ | hey folks |
| 00:23.39 | quik__ | just wondering what these apt-get options do? DEBCONF_TERSE='yes' DEBIAN_PRIORITY='critical' DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
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| 00:26.02 | scx | wish you a creepy Xmass, me wish you a creepy Xmas and a happy new year... |
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| 00:29.23 | julian | anyone have an ETA when 2.6.28 will reach unstable (or even http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel) |
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| 00:30.57 | julian | notes it's just been released on kernel.org |
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| 00:37.07 | [secure] | hi |
| 00:37.40 | [secure] | Is it possible to install debian into existing NTFS partition? |
| 00:37.47 | [secure] | without loosing windows |
| 00:37.48 | [secure] | files |
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| 00:37.57 | Zharf | no |
| 00:38.47 | [secure] | ubuntu has something like wubi. it install linux as a windows application. Is there something like that for debian? |
| 00:38.59 | [secure] | installs- |
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| 00:40.43 | Milosz | Hey, I'm looking for someone who could help with bringing our media player as package into Debian. Is it possible to get such assistance? |
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| 00:43.09 | julian | Milosz: see #debian-devel |
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| 00:44.01 | Milosz | julian, it's not exactly full of people, I don't want to make the impression that i want directly one of them to do this task |
| 00:44.25 | Milosz | I was just asking whether such help in general is available from the Debian project and if so, for the formalities |
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| 00:46.56 | julian | Milosz: see irc.oftc.net |
| 00:47.08 | Milosz | julian, ok |
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| 00:48.52 | nsadmin | !info libvorbis |
| 00:48.53 | [secure] | is it possible to install debian as windows applicaion? |
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| 00:49.26 | nsadmin | judd, versions libvorbis |
| 00:49.27 | judd | nsadmin: libvorbis -- |
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| 00:50.11 | julian | [secure]: try something like vmware perhaps |
| 00:50.26 | nsadmin | libvorbis and libogg not packaged for etch? |
| 00:50.37 | [secure] | what does vmware do? |
| 00:50.59 | nsadmin | one physical machine, inside it are many virtual machines |
| 00:51.06 | nsadmin | that can be running different oses |
| 00:51.45 | scx | Do you smell that? |
| 00:51.54 | scx | it's the smell of xmass dinner! |
| 00:51.55 | nsadmin | that has a smell? |
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| 00:55.05 | Tekno | how important is acpid? |
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| 00:57.23 | nsadmin | got it going. |
| 00:58.26 | karsten | Tekno: It's somewhat useful if you want things like hibernation to work. |
| 00:59.38 | Tekno | so not necessary |
| 01:00.02 | karsten | Tekno: For server, probably not. Why do you ask? |
| 01:00.04 | Tekno | trying to disable useless services |
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| 01:00.14 | Tekno | for faster startup and shutdown |
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| 01:00.28 | kdubois | what version has xorg 7.4? |
| 01:00.37 | kdubois | *version of debian |
| 01:00.43 | karsten | Tekno: If I didn't have a really good reason for nuking it, I'd keep it. |
| 01:00.58 | karsten | Tekno: ... and if I were worried about startup/shutdown times, I'd get hibernation working right. |
| 01:01.34 | Tekno | doesn't hibernation need to write something to disk? |
| 01:01.54 | Tekno | takes ages with slow hard disk |
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| 01:04.38 | doublehp | I am chrooting a disk from various CD; whatever the CD is, bash loads with error "Segmentation Fault", and, get also this message on any command (even "ls"). Does this mean my debian is just dead ? (disk may be physically faulty; i have seen strange things in /boot ... files with names that my console could not even print ) |
| 01:05.09 | DustyDingo | Tekno: depends on hibernate-ram or -disk |
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| 01:06.26 | doublehp | Tekno: there are ambiguity with 5 levels for sleeping ... specify your technology, or give the number . |
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| 01:09.37 | julian | has recently had far more luck with 'pm-hibernate' scripts than a simple hibernate-disk |
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| 01:14.29 | KnomeDE | whenever i start compiz i lose all widow borders |
| 01:14.32 | KnomeDE | *window |
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| 01:19.12 | karsten | Tekno: Generally: hibernation == suspend to RAM, suspend == suspend to disk. There's a hybrid mode that suspends to both, making the shutdown a bit slower but the wake-up tends to be quick (restores from RAM) unless batteries die. |
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| 01:19.45 | Tekno | okay |
| 01:19.53 | Tekno | but I don't want slow shutdown |
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| 01:23.33 | doublehp | in which file in /var is stored the list of installed packages ? |
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| 01:25.37 | my_key | I have a network problem with my slug running lenny. It has been running smootly for some months now, but all of a sudden in the midst of watching an avi file over ssh, it became unreachable. I cannot find it on my network though it seems to boot allright. I tried reflashing the firmware but upslug cannot find it on the network. |
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| 01:27.31 | lostson | so if you participate in the package survey is there a way to follow what statistics they get from me ? |
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| 01:48.16 | karsten | Tekno: suspend-to-disk and saving your session state is still going to be much more time-effective (for me) than a shutdown-restart cycle. |
| 01:48.48 | Tekno | how much does it write to disk? |
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| 01:49.55 | CalJohn | what package is bin2iso in? |
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| 01:50.17 | doublehp | CalJohn: aptitude search |
| 01:50.47 | doublehp | CalJohn: several bots can also help; forgot who |
| 01:51.05 | ix | apt-file search, if you're looking for a specific file. |
| 01:51.06 | CalJohn | i have searched apt-cache |
| 01:51.18 | CalJohn | and i have also asked a bot |
| 01:51.43 | CalJohn | i will try apt-file |
| 01:52.36 | ix | if you know the specific name of the file, and a search doesn't show up, you either forgot to run apt-file update or the file isn't avaliable in your apt repositories. |
| 01:54.19 | CalJohn | apparently it is not available in debian anymore...i wonder why |
| 01:54.29 | simonrvn | that's why i run the update in root's cron. you can always stick a script in /etc/cron.daily or as a task /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 01:56.20 | karsten | Tekno: How much memory do you have? |
| 01:56.24 | karsten | Tekno: ... about that much. |
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| 01:56.59 | Tekno | 2GB |
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| 01:57.24 | Tekno | so does it need to write whole 2GB to disk when user wants shutdown? |
| 01:57.43 | doublehp | Y |
| 01:57.54 | doublehp | => you need >2G swap (thats in the tuto ) |
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| 01:58.49 | CalJohn | dpkg: bin2iso is not in debian anymore, but the GPL source can be found at http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/bin2iso/ |
| 01:58.49 | dpkg | okay, CalJohn |
| 01:59.13 | Tekno | eh that means shutdown takes 4 minutes ... |
| 01:59.25 | Tekno | at rate of 8MB/s |
| 01:59.45 | doublehp | Tekno: your problem if you put 2G RAM on a machine that has 8M/s drive. |
| 02:00.05 | doublehp | or use an other sleep level |
| 02:00.33 | doublehp | or use BeOS |
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| 02:07.47 | scx | what is the bluez module? |
| 02:08.01 | scx | uhci_hcd was bugy |
| 02:08.10 | scx | think I was using something else |
| 02:08.54 | ManateeLazyCat | I add "exec emacs &" in ~/.xinitrc for startup Emacs when login in. But i find it will leave "emacs <defunct>" when i exit Emacs, and many program have same problem, how to avoid defunct process? Is something wrong? |
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| 02:16.26 | doublehp | how to get colorfull ls ? |
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| 02:19.15 | scx | doublehp: http://linux-sxs.org/housekeeping/lscolors.html |
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| 02:19.53 | scx | or use the bashrc in /etc if you know what you are doing |
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| 02:20.45 | doublehp | scx: i uncomented lines in bashrc , but, even when i type them in console, they dont produce result |
| 02:20.52 | terli | does anyone know if wubi supports debian? |
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| 02:21.54 | Tr0gd0r2 | why would my /dev/shm and /lib/init/rw show up as 3G when I have 6G of ram? |
| 02:22.14 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: i have always seen shm as being 50% |
| 02:22.22 | Tr0gd0r2 | ok |
| 02:22.29 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: shm and rw are the same space |
| 02:22.53 | Tr0gd0r2 | my dumb server provider put all my hd space in /usr |
| 02:22.57 | Tr0gd0r2 | so /home has nothing |
| 02:22.58 | terli | 32bit machine? |
| 02:23.02 | Tr0gd0r2 | 64 |
| 02:23.10 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: cd /dev/shm ; dd if=/dev/zero of=plop bs=$((1024*1024)) count=1024 ... enjoy how fast is your RAM |
| 02:23.11 | Tr0gd0r2 | can I repartition through ssh? |
| 02:23.12 | terli | is it a true 64? |
| 02:23.27 | Tr0gd0r2 | terli what you mean |
| 02:23.31 | Tr0gd0r2 | doublehp: what will that do? |
| 02:23.43 | terli | it could be a 32 bit os on a 64bit cpu |
| 02:23.44 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: 32b machines gardly support >2G RAM |
| 02:23.56 | Tr0gd0r2 | its x86_x64 |
| 02:24.10 | Tr0gd0r2 | 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 17:25:36 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:24.10 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: he wonders if you are using 64b, or a patched kernel on a specific architecture |
| 02:24.26 | Tr0gd0r2 | and its a xeon x3220 quad core |
| 02:24.43 | doublehp | amd64 on Xeon :/ |
| 02:24.47 | terli | well that should support all of it, but I don't know how linux handles driver namespace addressing above 3 gigs |
| 02:24.58 | doublehp | AMD been faster :) shame on Intel :) |
| 02:24.59 | scx | doublehp: reset |
| 02:25.02 | Tr0gd0r2 | doublehp: does that command reduce the size of /dev/shm |
| 02:25.29 | scx | nah Intel is better, I like AMD tho |
| 02:25.41 | scx | but Intel is better |
| 02:25.46 | terli | AMD for life |
| 02:25.47 | scx | just too expensive |
| 02:25.52 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: it should eat 1G ... until you rm plop :) |
| 02:26.09 | scx | Tesla for life :)( |
| 02:26.24 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: do it to see you speed, and, check if rw is reduced as i thought |
| 02:26.55 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: it's a usefull space for some small databases, or ccache (a GCC feature) |
| 02:26.59 | scx | terli: the memory above 3G under 64bits is fully supported to up to 60Gs or something |
| 02:27.00 | Tr0gd0r2 | 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 1.04439 s, 1.0 GB/s |
| 02:27.15 | scx | terli: under 32bits, you compile the klernel with PAE |
| 02:27.16 | terli | eh, I'm stuck with 32 bit machines for now |
| 02:27.25 | scx | *kernel |
| 02:27.27 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: not enough, try count=2500 :) |
| 02:27.46 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: as we are below 1s, the value is not significant |
| 02:27.49 | Tr0gd0r2 | still 1GB |
| 02:27.57 | Tr0gd0r2 | 2621440000 bytes (2.6 GB) copied, 2.55836 s, 1.0 GB/s |
| 02:28.03 | Tr0gd0r2 | seems to be capped at 1.0GB/s |
| 02:28.15 | doublehp | then , this is your RAM speed, measured a tricky way :) dont forget to rm plop :) |
| 02:28.27 | Tr0gd0r2 | should be ddr2 ram |
| 02:28.40 | terli | my pc |
| 02:28.41 | scx | Happy Xmas to everyone here! (Except the Ubuntu guys) |
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| 02:28.51 | terli | all my machines are still stuck in ddr1 |
| 02:28.52 | Tr0gd0r2 | look at the dumb way my server provider setup my drives |
| 02:28.53 | Tr0gd0r2 | http://pastebin.ca/1293283 |
| 02:28.55 | doublehp | scx LOL |
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| 02:28.59 | terli | hey scx, we ubuntu guys did one important thing |
| 02:28.59 | Tr0gd0r2 | why make /usr so big |
| 02:29.04 | terli | we advertised |
| 02:29.10 | scx | spam #debian? |
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| 02:29.34 | doublehp | got a PXE to fix ... /me returns to B&W eterms :S |
| 02:30.20 | scx | doublehp: btw, ~/.bashrc doesn't work in the root account |
| 02:30.44 | Tr0gd0r2 | doublehp look at my pastebin and tell me how to fix it |
| 02:30.57 | doublehp | scx: thats why i do it in .... /etc ... |
| 02:31.01 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.09 | scx | ye |
| 02:31.32 | scx | it's a bit tricky actually |
| 02:31.59 | scx | Tr0gd0r2: why do you want to separate /usr? |
| 02:32.07 | Tr0gd0r2 | i didn |
| 02:32.12 | Tr0gd0r2 | my server company did |
| 02:32.12 | scx | oh |
| 02:32.16 | Tr0gd0r2 | theres no space for /home now |
| 02:32.20 | scx | uhm |
| 02:32.29 | Tr0gd0r2 | unless i do ln -s |
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| 02:32.48 | scx | adding drives? |
| 02:32.57 | Tr0gd0r2 | nope |
| 02:33.02 | scx | bad |
| 02:33.25 | scx | well, it's time for apple pie, bye |
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| 02:33.31 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: trivial way: replace the home dir by a symlink to space that have space :) |
| 02:33.41 | Tr0gd0r2 | yeah |
| 02:33.42 | Tr0gd0r2 | i did that |
| 02:33.49 | doublehp | or, repartition (possible at hot, but, dangerous for beginners) |
| 02:33.51 | Tr0gd0r2 | ln -s /usr/home /home |
| 02:34.33 | doublehp | more secure way: allocate a large file on a large fisk (same way as when we played in shm), format it (mkfs), and mount it (loop option), then, you have a "virtual" disk, you can mount as home |
| 02:34.55 | doublehp | last way has advantage that user can not fillup your system disks, and lock up your services |
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| 02:35.03 | Doctor-Steve | I want to run a headless (no screen) debian 5 box.... i need X installed for some of my apps to work tho.... |
| 02:35.12 | Doctor-Steve | how do I make it so X doesnt need a screen to start? |
| 02:35.13 | doublehp | depends which kind of security you need, and trust in users |
| 02:35.29 | doublehp | Doctor-Steve: what do you mean screen ? |
| 02:35.31 | Tr0gd0r2 | doublehp only me has access |
| 02:35.35 | Tr0gd0r2 | so it should be fine |
| 02:35.35 | Doctor-Steve | doublehp, monitor |
| 02:35.36 | doublehp | Doctor-Steve: no video card at all ? |
| 02:35.42 | Tr0gd0r2 | and 250GB is more than enough |
| 02:35.50 | Doctor-Steve | doublehp, it has a video card, i just dont want it to have a monitor |
| 02:36.01 | Tr0gd0r2 | lighttpd or apache2 which is better |
| 02:36.11 | Doctor-Steve | doublehp, but start X and run like normal remotely.... i can do the remoetly bit just not the start X |
| 02:36.11 | Doctor-Steve | bit |
| 02:36.13 | doublehp | Doctor-Steve: you dont mind if there is a monitor or not. usually, dont start X at all, and use VNC. |
| 02:36.26 | doublehp | Doctor-Steve: xrootvnc can also help |
| 02:36.27 | Doctor-Steve | doublehp, but i need X to run vmware-server |
| 02:36.35 | terli | hey scx |
| 02:36.38 | Doctor-Steve | dont i? |
| 02:37.05 | terli | if someone gave me a uname -a, today, returning Linux f 2.6.24-19-lpia #! SMP Tue Jul 29 14:02:05 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux, should I shoot them? |
| 02:37.19 | Doctor-Steve | terli, why would u? |
| 02:37.23 | doublehp | Doctor-Steve: you only need video card to start a server, what can be usefull even without monitor |
| 02:37.25 | terli | well look at it |
| 02:37.27 | doublehp | depends what you want |
| 02:37.33 | terli | it's from JULY. |
| 02:37.58 | doublehp | Doctor-Steve: vmware should be fine in vnc. Otherwise, try xmove, and xrootvnc |
| 02:38.01 | Doctor-Steve | doublehp, i want vmware-server to run WITHOUT having a monitor plugged into my debian 5 box.... |
| 02:38.04 | Doctor-Steve | xmove? |
| 02:38.18 | doublehp | search, install, try it |
| 02:38.29 | Doctor-Steve | what does it do tho? |
| 02:38.33 | doublehp | why the hell dont u try VNC ? |
| 02:38.38 | terli | I wish vmware had direct-3d.. sob... |
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| 02:39.00 | Doctor-Steve | doublehp, bad experiences with VNC, plus the huge security vulns.... |
| 02:39.06 | Doctor-Steve | doublehp, whats movex? |
| 02:39.19 | doublehp | search, and read docs. They will say |
| 02:39.26 | doublehp | its the kind of things you want |
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| 02:39.55 | doublehp | otherwise: /usr/bin/x11vnc |
| 02:40.07 | Doctor-Steve | thanks :) |
| 02:40.11 | terli | doctor-steve |
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| 02:40.22 | terli | have you tried parallels workstation 2.2 yet? |
| 02:40.25 | terli | :-D |
| 02:40.54 | Doctor-Steve | parallels workstation 2.2? |
| 02:40.58 | hesco | Surely enabling suExec requires something more than a simple a2enmod command and a sever restart. |
| 02:41.00 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.03 | lostson | why would you be able to create new users but not be able to log into that user ? |
| 02:41.21 | terli | yes |
| 02:41.25 | terli | 2.2 for linux |
| 02:41.28 | Doctor-Steve | what is it? |
| 02:41.32 | terli | it's like vmware |
| 02:41.40 | terli | only a lot faster with the right hardware |
| 02:41.46 | hesco | lostson: what shell is afforded these new users in /etc/passwd ??? |
| 02:41.56 | terli | I got it running on ubuntu, I'm pretty certain it would run on debian |
| 02:42.16 | terli | the only os specific dependencies are build-essential and libqt-dev |
| 02:42.18 | lostson | not sure a friend of mine has a server and can only login as root not as a user |
| 02:42.31 | terli | http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=32581 |
| 02:42.36 | terli | this would prolly work |
| 02:42.39 | hesco | go in as root and read the /etc/passwd file. |
| 02:42.53 | Doctor-Steve | i upgraded from a 2.4GHZ p4, 512mb machine to a Dual core 2.5GHZ, 2GB machine and i swear debian runs slower |
| 02:43.08 | hesco | if the users no have a shall defined, they will not be able to login and get a prompt |
| 02:43.08 | Doctor-Steve | my final question |
| 02:43.11 | Doctor-Steve | on startup |
| 02:43.15 | Doctor-Steve | statd fails.... |
| 02:43.22 | Doctor-Steve | what can i do to stop it failing? |
| 02:43.26 | Doctor-Steve | please :) |
| 02:43.43 | doublehp | remove it |
| 02:44.13 | Doctor-Steve | how do i do that? |
| 02:44.22 | Doctor-Steve | im not sure its caused by statd tho |
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| 02:44.41 | Doctor-Steve | its like 3 of my virtual machines that i have installed Debian 5 on, statd is failing on all of thme |
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| 02:45.32 | Doctor-Steve | there has got to be an explaination why tho |
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| 02:47.39 | doublehp | a PXE client complains: Could not find kernel image: /GRML/t/boot/grmlsmall/linux26 . Using a tftp client from an other box, i can dowload it. Any clue what could be wrong ? tftp obviously suports symlinks going out of root, since pxelinux.0 itself was out of tftp HOME ... |
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| 02:52.39 | Doctor-Steve | how can i disable statd? |
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| 02:58.13 | doublehp | Doctor-Steve: cd /etc/rc2.d/ ; rm *statd* |
| 02:58.50 | Tr0gd0r2 | anyone know where apache2 starts from |
| 02:58.53 | Tr0gd0r2 | there is no init.d |
| 02:59.28 | Doctor-Steve | Tr0gd0r2, /usr/bin/apache2? /usr/sbin/apache2? |
| 02:59.33 | hesco | no /etc/init.d ??? |
| 02:59.39 | Tr0gd0r2 | wait i found it |
| 02:59.42 | Tr0gd0r2 | maybe i mistyped it |
| 02:59.44 | Doctor-Steve | try 'find / | grep apache2 |
| 02:59.48 | hesco | are you on a debian box ??? |
| 02:59.55 | hesco | or locate apache2 |
| 03:00.00 | lostson | hesco: thanks for your help but this guys server is hosed bad |
| 03:00.09 | nsadmin | or are you sitting in front of a debian box?\ |
| 03:00.37 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: how can you mistype ? dont u use bash ? |
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| 03:01.28 | nsadmin | doublehp: don't get too cocky... typos are both very easy and dangerous |
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| 03:02.08 | nsadmin | well they can be |
| 03:02.11 | doublehp | nsadmin: its impossible to make typo when doing good use of bash-completion and mouse copy/paste |
| 03:02.30 | doublehp | nsadmin: i am not talking about how dangerous they can be, but about their existance |
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| 03:05.53 | Tr0gd0r2 | anyone know how to make apache2 not listen on all ips? I only want it to listen on one of my 8 ips |
| 03:06.31 | Gm4n | edit the config file, and bind it to <your ip>:80 instead of *:80 |
| 03:06.36 | Gm4n | or whatever it's doing currently |
| 03:06.54 | doublehp | Tr0gd0r2: go read tutos, and google |
| 03:07.46 | Gm4n | Tr0gd0r2: http://tinyurl.com/5rjtah |
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| 03:14.44 | _2 | i just installed etch on a lappy and it seems that many of the gui type admin tools fail to start, is that normal? |
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| 03:18.36 | Dodo | I have a lenny server that I didn't configure myself and console logins are restricted to root only, how do I remove that restriction ? |
| 03:19.20 | SQlvpapir | uhm add a new user? |
| 03:19.29 | _2 | networking "login window" services disks "software properties" "synaptic package manager" "time and date" <<< list of system admin menu itoms that fail to start. |
| 03:20.21 | Dodo | SQlvpapir I added a new user but when I try to login with it I get 'permission denied. non-root logins are not allowed' |
| 03:20.54 | _2 | anyone know what log might tell why ? |
| 03:20.57 | Dodo | I'm guessing that this is supposed to be some lame protection but I just want it gone |
| 03:21.11 | Dodo | _2 did you try /var/log/messages ? |
| 03:21.57 | SQlvpapir | _2: launch the tools using a terminal and check the output |
| 03:22.11 | SQlvpapir | Dodo: visudo |
| 03:22.43 | _2 | SQlvpapir heh happen to know the names of them ? |
| 03:22.58 | SQlvpapir | _2: right click on the menu bar |
| 03:23.04 | SQlvpapir | -> edit menus |
| 03:23.14 | _2 | ah looking |
| 03:23.22 | SQlvpapir | the wonders of gnome =) |
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| 03:24.16 | _2 | doesn't seem to have the names there |
| 03:24.17 | Dodo | SQlvpapir I don't have visudo |
| 03:24.55 | _2 | SQlvpapir any other ideas ? |
| 03:25.16 | SQlvpapir | _2: pastebin the output |
| 03:25.26 | _2 | of what ???? |
| 03:25.39 | SQlvpapir | launching the programs from the terminal |
| 03:25.41 | SQlvpapir | duh |
| 03:25.41 | doublehp | have trans been ported to Linux ? |
| 03:25.58 | _2 | i don't know what the menu items are calling so how can i call them in the terminal ? |
| 03:26.04 | SQlvpapir | Dodo edit your sudoers file, it should not be that hard |
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| 03:26.29 | SQlvpapir | _2: use the gnome menu editor to find out |
| 03:26.45 | _2 | doubts that the sudoers file will prevent normal user login |
| 03:26.56 | SQlvpapir | when you find your tool, right click it and choose properties |
| 03:27.20 | _2 | SQlvpapir the gnome menu editor "as started via right click the menu and edit" shows not the command |
| 03:27.38 | _2 | can't ritht click it, nothing happens |
| 03:27.43 | SQlvpapir | you gotta be kiddin me |
| 03:27.47 | _2 | nope |
| 03:28.04 | SQlvpapir | you click the actual toolbar? |
| 03:28.10 | SQlvpapir | like "system"? |
| 03:29.05 | Dodo | /etc/sudoers: No such file or directory |
| 03:29.26 | SQlvpapir | Dodo ignore me about the sudoers file |
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| 03:29.50 | _2 | menu > desktop > admin most things don't work in there, i right click the menu and click edit the menu editor comes up. the path to the admin stuf is there, i click it. the menu items are listed i right click them nothing happens. |
| 03:30.06 | Dodo | ok, I got a bit confused cause google says /etc/sudoers belongs to visudo and I don't have visudo |
| 03:31.18 | _2 | Dodo i could be wrong, but i don't think that the sudoers file has anything to do with who can login |
| 03:31.21 | LoveGuru | Dodo: sound like u dont have "sudoers" installed it first "sudo aptitude search sudo" |
| 03:31.53 | SQlvpapir | LoveGuru: but it should not affect the users ability to login |
| 03:31.58 | Dodo | I don't have sudo or visudo, why would I need them ? |
| 03:32.00 | LoveGuru | Dodo: makesure that "sudo" package installed or not. |
| 03:32.19 | LoveGuru | SQlvpapir: nope it shouldn't affect the users login |
| 03:32.29 | SQlvpapir | I need some sleep and a gf who doesent sound like an animal while she sleep :( |
| 03:32.35 | LoveGuru | SQlvpapir: i didn't see the whole question or what situation going on. :/ |
| 03:32.37 | Dodo | LoveGuru it's not installed |
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| 03:32.41 | _2 | dpkg -l | grep sudo if you want to know if it's installed will tell that, |
| 03:32.42 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep sudo if you want to know if it's installed will tell that, |
| 03:32.42 | LoveGuru | i just saw the line. |
| 03:32.50 | LoveGuru | <Dodo> ok, I got a bit confused cause google says /etc/sudoers belongs to visudo and I don't have visudo |
| 03:32.53 | LoveGuru | :S |
| 03:33.23 | Dodo | LoveGuru ? |
| 03:33.29 | Dodo | I double checked... sudo is not installed |
| 03:33.44 | _2 | yeah it's not your issue anyway. |
| 03:34.09 | LoveGuru | Dodo: _2 and SQlvpapir know whats the question/problem i m not sure wht it is. |
| 03:34.22 | _2 | possably /etc/security/*something |
| 03:34.33 | Dodo | LoveGuru I can only login with root from the console |
| 03:34.35 | SQlvpapir | <Dodo> SQlvpapir I added a new user but when I try to login with it I get 'permission denied. non-root logins are not allowed' |
| 03:34.37 | _2 | LoveGuru only root can login on hist system |
| 03:34.43 | Dodo | ty SQlvpapir |
| 03:34.45 | LoveGuru | Dodo: if they are saying there is no problem with *sudoers* then there is no problem at all with that. |
| 03:35.10 | SQlvpapir | does the users /home/user have proper permissions? |
| 03:35.31 | _2 | that wont prevent console login either |
| 03:35.45 | Dodo | SQlvpapir /home/user was automatically created |
| 03:36.01 | Dodo | I used --home-dir and --create-home |
| 03:36.18 | LoveGuru | yep.. _2 agree with you.. that also wont prevent the login |
| 03:36.26 | LoveGuru | *the permission |
| 03:36.28 | SQlvpapir | _2: It may |
| 03:36.42 | _2 | SQlvpapir nope been there, done that. |
| 03:36.47 | _2 | it just puts you in / |
| 03:37.34 | SQlvpapir | I actually tried to chown /home to www and it locked everybody else but root out :s |
| 03:37.41 | LoveGuru | Dodo: which command did you used to creat your user ? |
| 03:37.47 | SQlvpapir | by incident ofc |
| 03:37.55 | Dodo | LoveGuru I used useradd |
| 03:38.06 | LoveGuru | Dodo: try "adduser username" |
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| 03:38.13 | SQlvpapir | _2: did you find gnomes menu editor? |
| 03:38.13 | Dodo | but, the user is not the issue here... one thing I know about the issue is that it was ment to be like that |
| 03:38.26 | _2 | SQlvpapir yes |
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| 03:38.47 | SQlvpapir | thank god. I was pretty sure it was in stable too :) |
| 03:38.53 | LoveGuru | Dodo: will you try that? sometime "useradd" won't work for me i dont know why.. |
| 03:39.22 | simonrvn | useradd is a lower level util. it's very much recommended to use adduser. |
| 03:39.33 | LoveGuru | simonrvn: right |
| 03:39.52 | LoveGuru | *adduser create user home/conf/ etc |
| 03:40.00 | Dodo | the user is created ... /etc/passwd confirmed it, webmin confirmed it |
| 03:40.19 | simonrvn | if you need to mod a user, use vipw, or the ch{age,sh,fn} apps... |
| 03:40.52 | _2 | SQlvpapir name "gnome-simple-editor" ? |
| 03:41.57 | Dodo | LoveGuru I added another user, tried to login, got 'login incorrect', added the user to the loggable group, gor 'non-root logins are not allowed' |
| 03:42.05 | Dodo | *got |
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| 03:42.46 | Dodo | there's no doubt that this is some sort of protection, the question is how do I disable it ? |
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| 03:44.33 | _2 | Dodo could be in /etc/login.defs maybe ? just a guess |
| 03:46.02 | simonrvn | something's screwy, certainly |
| 03:46.06 | _2 | maybe grep -C3 -i root /etc/login.defs |
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| 03:46.53 | Dodo | it only returns a comment |
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| 03:49.43 | _2 | ok i know i have seen a way to make it do what yours is doing in /etc/security/ maybe in access.conf |
| 03:51.05 | _2 | yes in access.conf see if non-root is blocked there |
| 03:51.22 | Dodo | _2 you're the man |
| 03:51.31 | Dodo | -:ALL EXCEPT root wheel operator:LOCAL |
| 03:51.47 | _2 | no i'm not, i can't get any of the gui admin apps to launch |
| 03:52.03 | _2 | console i know pretty well |
| 03:52.13 | _2 | gnome is lame to me |
| 03:53.08 | Dodo | I commented that line and it works, thanks guys |
| 03:53.17 | Dodo | _2 try kde |
| 03:53.28 | Dodo | I'm not much of a gui fan myself |
| 03:53.30 | Dodo | I don't use one |
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| 03:53.58 | _2 | yeah prolly my best bet to just remove gnome/x and be done with it |
| 03:54.35 | _2 | doesn't get along with the new fangled stuff anyway |
| 03:54.36 | Dodo | replace it with kde or reinstall it from scratch, see if you get it right this time |
| 03:55.02 | _2 | kde. too heavy blackbox maybe |
| 03:55.20 | simonrvn | o/~ someone screwed up their access.conf o/~ :P |
| 03:55.35 | simonrvn | openbox3 :) |
| 03:55.39 | _2 | simonrvn heh. |
| 03:55.39 | Dodo | simonrvn what makes you think that ? |
| 03:56.02 | simonrvn | that sort of thing isn't enabled like that in debian |
| 03:56.20 | Dodo | it's just the console login |
| 03:56.23 | Dodo | ssh is secured |
| 03:56.30 | simonrvn | yes, i know |
| 03:56.43 | Dodo | ssh is restricted to only one user and that user only logins with dsa key |
| 03:56.51 | Dodo | why would that line mess my server ? |
| 03:56.56 | _2 | oh yeah sshd thinks for mentioning that, now i have the sshd_config to mess with |
| 03:57.16 | simonrvn | just says "think about it" |
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| 03:57.42 | Dodo | simonrvn noone but me has physical access to the box |
| 03:58.06 | simonrvn | forget it, you're not getting it. |
| 03:58.18 | Dodo | ok, give me a clue |
| 03:58.26 | _2 | runs " passwd -dl root " on Dodo's box |
| 03:58.59 | Dodo | you guys make no sense |
| 03:59.17 | Dodo | how can you run passwd -dl root on my box if you can't access it ? |
| 03:59.26 | _2 | !purekde |
| 03:59.36 | _2 | !puregnome |
| 04:00.22 | Dodo | there |
| 04:00.29 | Dodo | I added my username there and uncommented the line |
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| 04:02.23 | Dodo | simonrvn mind telling me what you were talking about now |
| 04:02.24 | Dodo | ? |
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| 04:06.04 | dob1 | hi, when i start xorg the video is not correct, it's difficult to explain but i see a lot of lines of different colors, and the image is not clear, i have to switch to a virtual console and then to xorg again to get it correct |
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| 04:06.08 | dob1 | what it can be? |
| 04:06.44 | simonrvn | Dodo: that specific line isn't in a default debian install; you must've added it. |
| 04:07.07 | Dodo | I didn't configure the server |
| 04:07.07 | simonrvn | dob1: reconfigure it |
| 04:07.33 | simonrvn | whomever then |
| 04:07.39 | Dodo | yeah, |
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| 04:07.48 | stoned | I configred the server |
| 04:08.01 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:08.06 | stoned | =D |
| 04:08.11 | Dodo | I kept mentioning that the issue is actually a protection because the server used to stay in a datacenter and the person who configured it added all sorts of protections |
| 04:08.29 | dob1 | simonrvn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? but as i said switching from a console to the x again correct the problem, doesn't seems a configuration problem |
| 04:08.36 | Dodo | but everyone was stuck with useradd bugs, visudo and so on |
| 04:09.08 | Dodo | stoned ? |
| 04:09.39 | simonrvn | Dodo: nothing wrong with that per se. if the situation warrants it. it just sounded odd, like you thought that was a default install. no biggie. |
| 04:09.42 | _2 | crap! and the vidio driver is not working right either. does debian have a "restricted modules" package like ubuntu does ? this ati (propriatary worthless junk) doesn't work right without the non-open source driver |
| 04:09.45 | stoned | boontakhen |
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| 04:10.03 | stoned | fizzy bubbleckh |
| 04:10.06 | Dodo | I never thought it was a default install |
| 04:10.20 | simonrvn | dob1: i get that sometimes, but only since i switched to another res. |
| 04:10.25 | simonrvn | Dodo: np |
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| 04:10.52 | rsmith16385 | hello |
| 04:11.31 | _2 | Dodo not everyone. |
| 04:11.32 | rsmith16385 | can i get someone to test my http redirect? cant tell if it will work from my internal network |
| 04:11.34 | dob1 | simonrvn: to reconfigure it you mean the xserver-xorg? |
| 04:11.58 | Dodo | yeah, except for _2 who guessed it on first attempt |
| 04:12.29 | Dodo | rsmith16385 url |
| 04:12.34 | rsmith16385 | just need someone to click and tell me the resulting url |
| 04:12.39 | rsmith16385 | sweet |
| 04:12.52 | rsmith16385 | http://robertandkarensmith.com |
| 04:13.13 | Dodo | dns error |
| 04:13.17 | newsense | http://verizon-blocks-port-80.robertandkarensmith.com:16384/: |
| 04:13.20 | rsmith16385 | :( thank you sir |
| 04:13.26 | rsmith16385 | oh wait |
| 04:13.35 | rsmith16385 | so it workes for one of you ?! |
| 04:13.43 | newsense | try another port |
| 04:13.47 | rsmith16385 | news, did a pae load? |
| 04:13.48 | newsense | besides 80 |
| 04:13.51 | rsmith16385 | page? |
| 04:13.55 | newsense | no |
| 04:13.59 | rsmith16385 | :( ok |
| 04:14.01 | newsense | thats what i got in iceweasel |
| 04:14.03 | rsmith16385 | thanks |
| 04:14.06 | newsense | np |
| 04:14.12 | Dodo | why would they block port 80 ? |
| 04:14.20 | newsense | so you dont run webservers |
| 04:14.21 | rsmith16385 | i know isnt that a pain |
| 04:14.21 | rsmith16385 | ! |
| 04:14.40 | rsmith16385 | for 99$ im told i can get a static ip that is totally unblocked |
| 04:14.47 | rsmith16385 | i already pay 49.99, |
| 04:14.49 | Dodo | haha |
| 04:14.52 | simonrvn | 99$?! |
| 04:14.57 | rsmith16385 | cant justify 50 more for unblocked ports |
| 04:15.07 | simonrvn | i pay 15$ CAD for a /28 ... |
| 04:15.37 | rsmith16385 | so im trying to get around it with dns |
| 04:15.45 | Dodo | I get 2 unblocked ips, 30mbps down 15mbps up external for $60 |
| 04:15.53 | rsmith16385 | nice |
| 04:15.56 | rsmith16385 | with who? |
| 04:16.04 | Dodo | ilink |
| 04:16.14 | rsmith16385 | what country? |
| 04:16.17 | kuber | lol rsmith16385 |
| 04:16.18 | Dodo | romania |
| 04:16.27 | rsmith16385 | nice |
| 04:16.37 | rsmith16385 | i wish id stayed with cable |
| 04:16.43 | Dodo | lol |
| 04:16.58 | Dodo | my gradma laughs at cable |
| 04:17.11 | rsmith16385 | ell they dont block any ports so thats kind of nice |
| 04:17.21 | rsmith16385 | at least mine didnt |
| 04:17.43 | Dodo | yeah, but you have to worry about modems and you won't reach 2mbps |
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| 04:18.39 | Dodo | lol |
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| 04:19.17 | rsmith16385 | does anyone see anything when clicking this... http://98.112.24.125:16384 |
| 04:20.09 | newsense | yep |
| 04:20.22 | rsmith16385 | ok so its definately a problem with my dns |
| 04:20.28 | newsense | avon heh my girl loves that stuff |
| 04:20.51 | Dodo | rsmith16385 you do know that it takes time to propagate right ? |
| 04:21.19 | rsmith16385 | how long ? |
| 04:21.39 | Dodo | 4-72 hours |
| 04:21.58 | rsmith16385 | shit well i guess ill leave as is for a while |
| 04:22.20 | rsmith16385 | thanks guys |
| 04:24.01 | Cromag | uhm. |
| 04:24.03 | Cromag | why the dns ? |
| 04:24.10 | Cromag | you dont look anything up.. |
| 04:24.22 | Cromag | it can be a route at the isp.. |
| 04:27.53 | Cromag | traceroute the ip and see where it stops :) |
| 04:28.07 | rsmith16385 | itll stop here locally if i do |
| 04:28.14 | rsmith16385 | thats my routers hostname |
| 04:28.23 | Cromag | ip.. |
| 04:28.37 | rsmith16385 | ip is not, name is |
| 04:28.58 | rsmith16385 | ip will go all the way to the page |
| 04:29.03 | rsmith16385 | i just had a guy test it |
| 04:29.06 | Cromag | 2512-05:19:13 < rsmith16385> does anyone see anything when clicking this... http://98.112.24.125:16384 |
| 04:29.10 | Cromag | thats an ip right ? |
| 04:29.13 | rsmith16385 | yea |
| 04:29.16 | Cromag | ok |
| 04:29.38 | Cromag | i need to read up ? |
| 04:29.58 | rsmith16385 | i need to learn more about dns |
| 04:30.18 | rsmith16385 | trying to redirect name to name:16384 |
| 04:30.22 | Cromag | oooh... |
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| 04:31.17 | rsmith16385 | but it may be that i just need to let my dns propogate hopefully |
| 04:31.44 | Cromag | yeah, or use other servers. |
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| 04:42.17 | simonrvn | rsmith16385: in your server conf ... |
| 04:42.32 | simonrvn | rsmith16385: or, iptables |
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| 04:50.30 | Zopia1 | just wondering, is there any way to check what version of GTK you are using? |
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| 05:14.11 | rue_mohr | flash in iceweasel is really broken, anyone have a process to try to fix it? |
| 05:15.00 | lostson | really mine works fine |
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| 05:15.08 | lostson | i use the debian multimedia repo |
| 05:15.17 | stoned | ok |
| 05:15.26 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.30 | stoned | !dmm |
| 05:15.30 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 05:15.37 | stoned | flashplayer-mozilla |
| 05:15.48 | rue_mohr | ok its already in there |
| 05:16.34 | rue_mohr | hold up while I try package |
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| 05:19.22 | rue_mohr | hey I think it worked, funny, I know I tried that before |
| 05:19.36 | rue_mohr | accept flash 9 lags like hell |
| 05:20.03 | rue_mohr | oooh bet its alsa only |
| 05:20.07 | rue_mohr | I'm oss only |
| 05:20.24 | rue_mohr | is there a fix? |
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| 05:26.34 | c9s | hi all, how do i solve this problem ? |
| 05:26.35 | c9s | dpkg: error processing amule-utils (--remove): cannot remove `/usr/share/man/fr/man1/amulecmd.1.gz': Stale NFS file handle |
| 05:26.35 | dpkg | c9s: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 05:28.12 | rue_mohr | whats better mocking oss from alsa or mocking alsa from oss? |
| 05:30.09 | kuber | http://wickedmetalhead.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/60/605968d9109766092602775014531bec03aa4c8d.jpg |
| 05:30.12 | kuber | merry xmasl straight men |
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| 05:30.34 | kuber | dont ever say a gay man never gave you nothing! |
| 05:31.33 | simonrvn | c9s: obviously you need to do something about your /usr |
| 05:33.27 | nullboy | lol |
| 05:33.32 | c9s | simonrvn: can you tell me what to do ? |
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| 05:41.35 | ryanCH | what's the difference between "vmlinuz" in the root dir. and the Kernel-2.6.18.IMG that is shown in GRUB? |
| 05:41.39 | ryanCH | i thought the vmlinux was the kernel, right?... |
| 05:41.57 | rue_mohr | depends whats being used and whats there from convention |
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| 05:45.32 | ryanCH | hmm |
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| 05:53.38 | ryanCH | one more thing, i have "xine" but the dvd play is very choppy and i have "dma enabled on the drive", what else could it be? |
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| 05:53.50 | newsense_ | vmlinuz in root is a sylink to kernel /boot/vmlinuz-* whatever kernel is running |
| 05:54.25 | simonrvn | c9s: unmount then mount, or mount -o remount, possibly... sometimes just waiting for it to come back |
| 05:59.39 | simonrvn | so is like everybody drunk or something? it's fricking quiet in here |
| 06:00.07 | rue_mohr | I want to know how to get alsa working and not lose any of the functionality of all my oss programs |
| 06:00.38 | newsense_ | is stock 2.6.26-1 kernel built with inotify support ? |
| 06:01.08 | newsense_ | rue_mohr, install alsa-base and oss-compat i believe the package is called |
| 06:01.11 | simonrvn | i think it is.. about 75% sure. so double-check ;) |
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| 06:01.47 | rue_mohr | so would that be alsa on oss or oss on alsa? |
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| 06:01.58 | newsense_ | simonrvn, thanks, finally lgot around to reading up more on udev and am getting ready to write some rules |
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| 06:02.33 | parrot | im a parrot |
| 06:02.40 | newsense_ | haha |
| 06:02.44 | newsense_ | im a newsense |
| 06:02.46 | parrot | haha |
| 06:02.49 | parrot | im a newsense |
| 06:03.19 | newsense_ | ill give ya a cracker if you ask a debian related question |
| 06:03.46 | parrot | ill give ya a cracker if you ask a debian related question |
| 06:04.52 | rue_mohr | aha! flash broke again! |
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| 06:05.10 | newsense_ | rue_mohr, sorry package was alsa-oss |
| 06:05.26 | parrot | aha! flash broke again! |
| 06:05.30 | parrot | rue_mohr, sorry package was alsa-oss |
| 06:05.50 | rue_mohr | kicks the parrot |
| 06:05.59 | parrot | kicks the parrot |
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| 06:15.46 | rue_mohr | flash was working, then iceweasel crashed and now flash isn't comming up at all anymore |
| 06:15.48 | rue_mohr | ideas? |
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| 06:20.01 | rue_mohr | if I uninstall and reinstall even with --purge, it wont come back |
| 06:20.07 | rue_mohr | wonder why flash wont work |
| 06:20.08 | rue_mohr | grrrr |
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| 06:31.10 | rue_mohr | maybe if I nix mozilla and its 5 generations of old versions and reinstall it all |
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| 06:36.02 | Gm4n | rue_mohr: try nuking the .mozilla folder in ~ |
| 06:36.17 | rue_mohr | k |
| 06:36.56 | rue_mohr | where is my icedove mail? |
| 06:36.59 | rue_mohr | stored? |
| 06:37.32 | Gm4n | probably in .mozilla too, if icedove = thunderbird |
| 06:37.42 | Gm4n | maybe rename the .mozilla folder =) |
| 06:37.51 | rue_mohr | man is it possable to keep up with the forking? |
| 06:38.34 | rue_mohr | its oly 35M, so my mail is somewhere else.. |
| 06:38.38 | rue_mohr | however |
| 06:42.24 | rue_mohr | and it works again |
| 06:42.26 | rue_mohr | k... |
| 06:44.09 | Sweetandy | Props to Debian! Apple's "Target Disk Mode" works via firewire with Debian computers. It automounts and everything. Hurrah! |
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| 06:46.08 | simonrvn | Sweetandy: ORLY? nice |
| 06:46.41 | rue_mohr | still no audio |
| 06:46.49 | craigevil | rue_mohr: mail should be under .thunderbird |
| 06:47.08 | rue_mohr | there isn't one |
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| 06:47.48 | rue_mohr | its icedove |
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| 06:47.53 | rue_mohr | not thunderbird |
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| 06:48.44 | rue_mohr | I have a .nsmal |
| 06:49.07 | craigevil | it still makes a .thunderbird in your home |
| 06:49.18 | rue_mohr | there isn't one |
| 06:49.20 | craigevil | just like firefox will start iceweasel |
| 06:49.47 | rue_mohr | ./.mozilla-thunderbird |
| 06:51.25 | rue_mohr | hmm where did I move my mail store |
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| 06:53.56 | rue_mohr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Jan 24 2008 d1nf6hvw.default -> /files/doc/email/d1nf6hvw.default |
| 06:53.58 | rue_mohr | aha |
| 06:54.30 | rue_mohr | hard to misplace 1G of email |
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| 06:58.14 | rue_mohr | I installed alsa-oss and its not working.... ? |
| 06:59.01 | mhymn | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 07:00.57 | rue_mohr | but wait shouldn't alsa be using the oss sytem I have then? |
| 07:01.07 | newsense | no |
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| 07:01.16 | newsense | aptitude show alsa-oss |
| 07:01.21 | rue_mohr | but I need all my oss apps to work |
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| 07:01.30 | rue_mohr | which way am I going here? |
| 07:01.35 | newsense | read the description |
| 07:01.41 | rue_mohr | oss works great, shall I change over? |
| 07:02.17 | rue_mohr | something tells me I'm gonna have to mess with my custom kernel |
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| 07:02.34 | ryanCH | i'm getting beat-up in #windows for using linux :( |
| 07:02.59 | rue_mohr | how many of them are on irc.linux.org? |
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| 07:03.10 | Deepa | My server is frequently being DDoSed, anyone have a suggestion on an application so I could identify the attack and the attackers? |
| 07:03.29 | rue_mohr | is it a spam server? |
| 07:03.45 | newsense | might have to call the app with alsa-oss too maybe, never used it could be wrong |
| 07:04.09 | rue_mohr | ??? |
| 07:04.13 | rue_mohr | I lothe alsa |
| 07:04.16 | rue_mohr | oss works |
| 07:04.32 | rue_mohr | but I'm running into alsa-only problems |
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| 07:05.37 | rue_mohr | I do have alsa kernel support off, I dont need that on do i? |
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| 07:12.17 | rue_mohr | I dont feel like making changes to my kernel cause then I ahve to mess with the nvidia module |
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| 07:14.53 | Tr0gd0r2 | in top, if it shows 66% cpu usage, is that for 1 core, or for all cores? |
| 07:15.39 | rue_mohr | I think thats all of them |
| 07:15.46 | rue_mohr | but shouldn't it split? |
| 07:16.20 | dusted | top does not do that, but htop does |
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| 07:19.10 | mhymn | you sure? |
| 07:19.21 | mhymn | Tr0gd0r2: man top |
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| 07:22.19 | super_troll | We are giving away free Ops in main rooms this Xmas.. If you want any, type /server -m Irc.P2Pchat.Net -j #morpheus |
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| 07:22.30 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:23.16 | simonrvn | what a dufus |
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| 07:23.42 | simonrvn | i guess people like that have never heard of services.... |
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| 07:37.08 | s3a | wats the maximum filesize of ext2? |
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| 07:38.17 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 07:39.01 | hoxu | s3a, wikipedia tells you 2-64 TiB |
| 07:39.16 | n0b | he is really big |
| 07:39.33 | simonrvn | i thought it was spelled "watts" anyway |
| 07:39.46 | s3a | o lol i thot itd be 2 gb, thx ill format my 4 gb flash drive with that |
| 07:39.48 | s3a | well |
| 07:39.57 | s3a | ext2 vs ext3 |
| 07:40.00 | s3a | what should i choose? |
| 07:40.10 | s3a | i no ext has journaling but is there a benefit of ext2? |
| 07:40.44 | simonrvn | you don't put ext3 on a usb stick... |
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| 07:59.39 | Tr0gd0r2 | one quick question. I want to remove mysql but leave apache installed but whenever I do apt-get remove mysql-server, it tries to remove apache as well |
| 07:59.47 | Tr0gd0r2 | how can I remove mysql from my server? |
| 08:00.29 | s3a | apt-get remove mysql-server && apt-get install apache? |
| 08:00.38 | hoxu | Tr0gd0r2, lenny? |
| 08:00.52 | Tr0gd0r2 | ues |
| 08:00.54 | Tr0gd0r2 | yes* |
| 08:01.14 | Tr0gd0r2 | s3a seems like an odd way to do it |
| 08:01.26 | Tr0gd0r2 | i just dont want mysql because i dont use it and see it as a security risk |
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| 08:01.59 | hoxu | Tr0gd0r2, try aptitude unmarkauto <packages> |
| 08:02.03 | hoxu | Tr0gd0r2, for the ones you want to keep, then remove mysql. I'd really recommend learning to use aptitude UI though |
| 08:02.42 | Tr0gd0r2 | hoxu, how about just preventing mysql from running but leaving it installed |
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| 08:03.46 | mhymn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.58 | mhymn | and /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
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| 08:04.46 | Tr0gd0r2 | lol mhymn, almost ran the second line on my server |
| 08:04.58 | mhymn | heh |
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| 08:26.37 | pipcookie | Is it normal for debian lenny installer to hang at "booting the kernel."? |
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| 09:27.07 | quik__ | hey folks |
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| 09:32.51 | simonrvn | quik__: hello. it's dead as hell in here. something about some holiday. |
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| 09:34.53 | quik__ | simonrvn: any idea if I can replace these options with flags for apt-get? DEBCONF_TERSE='yes' DEBIAN_PRIORITY='critical' DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
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| 09:35.17 | simonrvn | -o stuffs |
| 09:35.27 | simonrvn | man dpkg; man apt-get |
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| 09:41.35 | quik__ | simonrvn: so, apt-get -o "DEBCONF_TERSE='yes'" ? |
| 09:43.02 | simonrvn | not sure how you'd do it, but something like that. |
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| 09:46.38 | Ben_Pang | anybody,autofs mounting nfs can using mode parameter? |
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| 09:50.03 | shadeslayer | how to install intel graphics driver for my debian lenny |
| 09:51.13 | amphi | shadeslayer: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 09:54.40 | shadeslayer | my graphics card number is 82946GZ |
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| 09:54.54 | shadeslayer | will compiz work on it? |
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| 09:56.39 | shadeslayer | amphi: will compiz work on my 82946GZ intel graphics card? |
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| 09:57.04 | amphi | compiz should work ok on any 9xx intel card |
| 09:57.15 | shadeslayer | oh |
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| 09:57.43 | shadeslayer | mine is model no. 82946gz |
| 09:57.53 | shadeslayer | i dont think it works |
| 09:58.12 | amphi | shadeslayer: is that all lspci says about it? |
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| 09:59.18 | shadeslayer | amphi: it says 82946GZ/GL |
| 10:00.03 | amphi | IMHO, compiz should work on it |
| 10:00.13 | shadeslayer | it doesnt |
| 10:01.02 | amphi | what error do you get? |
| 10:02.08 | shadeslayer | amphi: it says Checking for nVidia: not present. |
| 10:02.09 | shadeslayer | Checking for FBConfig: present. |
| 10:02.09 | shadeslayer | Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 10:02.09 | shadeslayer | Starting gtk-window-decorator |
| 10:02.09 | shadeslayer | /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: SmcOpenConnection failed: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
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| 10:03.39 | amphi | that doesn't sound like a problem with the card or driver |
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| 10:05.34 | shadeslayer | amphi: it says Checking for Xgl: not present |
| 10:05.55 | shadeslayer | amphi: /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. |
| 10:06.17 | shadeslayer | amphi: /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 |
| 10:06.34 | flokuehn | !paste |
| 10:06.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 10:06.52 | shadeslayer | amphi: /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
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| 10:10.36 | shadeslayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.05 | shadeslayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.00 | shadeslayer | pls answer my question!!!i am new 2 debian |
| 10:12.35 | hoxu | repeating and yelling will surely help your cause |
| 10:12.43 | shadeslayer | sorry |
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| 10:13.41 | jerkface | works for me |
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| 10:18.16 | kash | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.01 | simonrvn | and you're running sid? |
| 10:19.49 | kash | yes |
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| 10:19.58 | craigevil | aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 10:20.14 | kash | it says it is already installed |
| 10:20.47 | simonrvn | you were just here with the same question, except s/lenny/unstable/ |
| 10:20.53 | flokuehn | kash: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/user.html |
| 10:21.07 | flokuehn | kash: this may help too |
| 10:21.27 | simonrvn | you really shouldn't be using sid if you're new to debian. really. |
| 10:21.44 | craigevil | if you do not know how to get xorg to use the correct drivers you shoudln't be using sid |
| 10:22.01 | simonrvn | that's like loading a six-shooter up all the way except for one chamber, and playing russian roulette. |
| 10:22.25 | kash | but still i just want 2 run compiz |
| 10:22.39 | craigevil | its not quite that bad with lenny frozen but once lenny is released it probably will be |
| 10:23.06 | H2S04 | simonrvn, that's a bit of an absurd analogy. |
| 10:23.19 | simonrvn | base-files hit 5.0, so it's gonna release pretty soon, i think. |
| 10:23.40 | simonrvn | H2S04: it demonstrates the point exactly. what's absurd about it? |
| 10:23.55 | craigevil | goody sid has been boring for a while once new packages and xorg from exp make their way in it will be fun |
| 10:24.30 | simonrvn | he's a newbie to debian, he's running sid. simple, really. |
| 10:24.32 | kash | simonrvn: wat debian do u use? |
| 10:24.49 | simonrvn | why does that matter? |
| 10:24.57 | kash | just askin |
| 10:25.09 | kash | i used etch stable yesterday |
| 10:25.21 | kash | compiz doesnt work in dat too |
| 10:25.22 | hoxu | simonrvn, I'm pretty clueless to a very wide variety of things but I've been using sid for a very long time... let's keep low profile about that :P |
| 10:26.10 | simonrvn | kash: did it ever occur to you maybe your graphics hardware doesn't support it? i don't know if that's the case, but has it? |
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| 10:26.42 | kash | it did occur to me |
| 10:26.51 | ghaleb | hello, I'm trying to use LDAP for authentication, I get results from ldapsearch -x, libnss-ldap.conf , ldap.conf and nsswitch.conf configured this way: http://rafb.net/p/m0iGQZ77.html |
| 10:27.15 | simonrvn | good |
| 10:27.31 | simonrvn | ghaleb: #ldap or #openldap |
| 10:27.45 | ghaleb | thank you simonrvn |
| 10:27.46 | simonrvn | i see you have already ;) |
| 10:27.52 | kash | graphics is intel 82946GZ |
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| 10:29.13 | simonrvn | hoxu: you're not that clueless |
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| 10:30.19 | kash | My HP Laserjet 6L printer doesnt work |
| 10:30.38 | d-b | kash: openprinting.org |
| 10:30.42 | d-b | !printing |
| 10:30.43 | dpkg | A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups-setup>, <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian. |
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| 10:37.28 | kash | anone have lenny unstable? |
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| 10:38.38 | bvalek2 | there is no unstable lenny, its called testing |
| 10:38.46 | bvalek2 | unstable is called sid |
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| 10:40.02 | ewet | hello, I have a problem with kicker: it cumulates 2mb memory every second until all my memory is used up (3gb). anybody else experiencing a memory leak at kicker? |
| 10:40.39 | ewet | it also happens if I restart the system and let kde only start all autostart programs. |
| 10:44.17 | CellKill | ewet, are you running unstable? |
| 10:44.40 | ewet | I'm running lenny |
| 10:45.05 | CellKill | oh, testing, well, no guarantees there, try 'dpkg-reconfigure kicker' |
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| 10:47.38 | ewet | that didn't help... |
| 10:48.12 | CellKill | could it be an applet that you're loading in kicker? |
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| 10:50.26 | Hoxzer | Has somebody here been able to compile latest rt2x00 from gitt ? |
| 10:50.31 | ewet | I currently killed all applets other than kmix, klipper, konversation and kxkb |
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| 10:54.08 | ewet | CellKill: well there's the menu and the clock... stopping them stopped the memory leak :-/ |
| 10:54.18 | ewet | that's strange |
| 10:54.36 | CellKill | ewet, :| |
| 10:55.10 | ewet | that's not supposed to happen :-( |
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| 10:58.55 | ewet | is switching to irssi |
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| 11:03.16 | ewet | appearantly it was the tasty menu applet |
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| 11:09.13 | grandrew | hi all! Is there a debian filesystem snapshot for manual install available? I mean like gentoo 'stages'? |
| 11:09.22 | ewet | friggin gimmicks :-( kmenu works like a charm... |
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| 11:20.35 | ewet | CellKill: thank you for your help anyway (I forgot...) :-) |
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| 11:26.48 | siccness | merry xmas to all of ya |
| 11:27.43 | sajes | siccness: The real party begins in 3 days. ;) |
| 11:28.02 | siccness | nah mate |
| 11:28.07 | siccness | the real party starts now |
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| 11:29.20 | schme | Hello #debian. I have some questions here regarding sound. How do I make it so two pieces of software can play sound at the same time? |
| 11:29.32 | siccness | schme: what sound daemon? |
| 11:29.48 | schme | siccness: No idea. How do I check? |
| 11:30.04 | schme | siccness: I think I just use ALSA ? |
| 11:30.21 | cahoot | schme: just use fully alsa-aware apps - in which case it *should* just work |
| 11:30.48 | schme | Ok.. See the problem is this. Whenever I start up iceweasel and watch some stuff on the youtube, then it has locked up mah soundcard. |
| 11:30.49 | hoxu | cahoot, I thought it kinda depends on hardware too? |
| 11:31.01 | cahoot | schme: hoxu shouldn't |
| 11:31.08 | schme | and I have to kill iceweasel to get anything else to play. |
| 11:31.14 | schme | hoxu? |
| 11:31.23 | schme | (also merry xmas) |
| 11:31.29 | cahoot | hoxu: dmix is enabled by default so .. |
| 11:31.32 | hoxu | schme, flashplugin opens /dev/dsp directly I think |
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| 11:31.54 | schme | oh hoxu is a person :D |
| 11:32.14 | xand | adobe's flashplayer is... broken |
| 11:32.21 | schme | hoxu: Sorry. Didn't read yer username, thought cahoot was suggesting I switch from iceweasel to hoxu :) |
| 11:32.24 | cahoot | later versions of flash should use alsa - but IIRC it's a bit flaky |
| 11:32.37 | hoxu | there was some parameter or something you can pass to firefox, but I don't remember right now... |
| 11:32.44 | hoxu | schme, heh |
| 11:32.45 | schme | It seems to me that it locks up some /dev/pcm!#4123x3 or other. |
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| 11:33.07 | cahoot | schme: right it uses (misuses) alsa |
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| 11:33.19 | xand | if I'm already using the sound card and then flash, it works... but then if I try to use sound when flash is already playing it breaks |
| 11:33.20 | schme | Ah cool. |
| 11:33.29 | schme | Though I can't run say two instances of mplayer at the same time. |
| 11:33.30 | xand | this is the 64-bit alpha version though, so problems expected |
| 11:33.59 | cahoot | schme: make sure mplayer uses -ao alsa |
| 11:34.10 | schme | Hmm.. |
| 11:34.32 | schme | cahoot: Same shit. |
| 11:34.34 | cahoot | schme: the simplset test it to run two or more instances of speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 11:34.51 | hoxu | I have " FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" " in my /etc/firefox/firefoxrc |
| 11:34.56 | schme | [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1132:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy is what I get. |
| 11:34.59 | hoxu | schme, ^ you could try that |
| 11:35.05 | schme | Hmm.. |
| 11:35.08 | schme | k k. |
| 11:35.17 | schme | (that pcm_hw with two mplayer) |
| 11:35.21 | cahoot | schme: something occupying the device? fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 11:35.37 | schme | cahoot: Yeees.. mplayer is occupying it. When I start the second the second one says that. |
| 11:36.36 | cahoot | schme: ok just me being lucky with my hda-intel then |
| 11:36.51 | schme | I think that is what I have.. the hda-intel of some sort. |
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| 11:37.04 | schme | hoxu: That FIREFOX_DSP is not helping :) |
| 11:37.11 | hoxu | oww |
| 11:37.17 | schme | shit.. speaker-test + headphones is trippy stuff :) |
| 11:37.21 | KaiSVK | hi all I have no internet connection under wine apps, pls could anybody help me ? |
| 11:37.23 | hoxu | schme, do can you start two mplayer's with -ao alsa? |
| 11:37.39 | schme | hoxu: Nope. Second one says [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1132:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
| 11:37.41 | hoxu | schme, noticed you have the headphones wrong way on your head? ;) |
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| 11:38.13 | schme | Hahaha. |
| 11:38.39 | mhymn | KaiSVK: #wine ? |
| 11:38.41 | schme | Well I'll just give up on this. |
| 11:38.51 | schme | Thanks though :) |
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| 11:39.23 | hoxu | schme, cat /proc/asound/version ? |
| 11:39.41 | schme | hoxu: 1.0.16 |
| 11:39.57 | hoxu | "NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing." http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix |
| 11:40.13 | hoxu | hmmm |
| 11:40.20 | schme | googles dmix. |
| 11:41.05 | hoxu | schme, when you have that one mplayer running, what does "fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*" say? |
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| 11:41.48 | schme | /dev/snd/controlC0: marcus 19171 F.... alsamixer |
| 11:41.48 | schme | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: marcus 23387 F...m mplayer |
| 11:41.58 | cahoot | schme: move any ~/.asoundrc* out of the way |
| 11:42.37 | schme | hoh |
| 11:42.47 | schme | cahoot: I love you man. |
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| 11:43.07 | cahoot | right |
| 11:43.10 | hoxu | :) |
| 11:43.14 | schme | well the volume got insane low though. |
| 11:43.32 | schme | oh there we go. |
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| 11:44.02 | schme | Thanks guys. |
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| 11:44.11 | hoxu | cahoot++ |
| 11:44.17 | cahoot | blush |
| 11:47.24 | schme | Here's another funny one. I tried installing the x86-64 bit, and it all works just fine 'til I start up X. Both the vesa driver and nvidia driver make the screen all black and I have to reboot to get it not black. Is this some known issue? |
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| 11:50.50 | nailuj24 | /away Wesnoth |
| 11:50.55 | nailuj24 | ? |
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| 11:53.24 | huwenfeng | i'd like to answer, does the packages for debian compliant with packages for ubuntu? |
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| 11:53.36 | huwenfeng | sorry, not answer, ask! |
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| 11:56.14 | kladizkov | i got 6gb of files in /var/cache/apt/archives/...is it safe to remove those? |
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| 11:56.39 | huwenfeng | kladizkov: use aptitude clean or something similar |
| 11:57.02 | huwenfeng | i forget it , but you'd better not delete those files directly |
| 11:57.29 | craigevil | aptitude clean or apt-get clean |
| 11:59.40 | kladizkov | yep...it works..freed 6GB ;) |
| 11:59.43 | ewet | "aptitude search" stalls my machine for 15min occupying _all_ cpu! what's wrong?! |
| 12:00.15 | ewet | amd64 distro - lenny |
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| 12:04.56 | jabis | ewet, you might want to look at your sources.list for the number of lists, and the apt cache folder size, broken packages and such, clean them out and check your aptitude logs too |
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| 12:07.00 | ewet | jabis: yeah... the logs I forgot *blush* |
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| 12:09.50 | ewet | *mumble* now it works (haven't done anything) but I swear sometimes it's freaking out... :-/ |
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| 12:10.39 | jlebrech | im looking for alternate repositories |
| 12:10.45 | jlebrech | is there a list somewhere? |
| 12:10.54 | craigevil | for what? |
| 12:10.58 | jlebrech | for sid |
| 12:11.20 | craigevil | sid uses the same repos as testing just change it to sid |
| 12:11.30 | jlebrech | i want iceweasel 3, and adding unstable to sources.list is buggin out |
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| 12:12.16 | jlebrech | this repo i have doensnt seem to have sid |
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| 12:12.24 | craigevil | !mirrors |
| 12:12.24 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 12:12.33 | jlebrech | thanks |
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| 12:46.58 | lvh | hello. |
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| 12:47.12 | lvh | Is there a good bugtracking system, preferably with git support, anyone can recommend? |
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| 12:48.02 | Macjust | Can i use encypted password in useradd ? |
| 12:48.04 | mcbane | hi |
| 12:48.26 | mcbane | does anybody know a tool to recover deleted data from a hfs+ partition? |
| 12:48.40 | lvh | Macjust: you will always get encrypted passwords for new users on recent debian systems. |
| 12:48.49 | stew | Macjust: yes |
| 12:48.57 | Macjust | what encryption can i use ? |
| 12:49.00 | lvh | If you somehow managed to convince your system not to use shadow anymore, you'd have to do a lot. |
| 12:49.07 | lvh | Macjust: It's not so much encryption as it is hashing. |
| 12:49.17 | stew | Macjust: man shadow |
| 12:50.10 | stew | or it looks like "man 3 crypt" talks about the encryption methods |
| 12:50.26 | lvh | stew: Yep, but I dont have that manpage. Strange. |
| 12:50.31 | Macjust | this is an md5 crypt ? ($1$) |
| 12:50.39 | Ace2016_- | Macjust: read the manpage of useradd |
| 12:51.00 | stew | lvh: its in manpages-dev |
| 12:51.02 | lvh | Macjust: no, but you can disable an account by setting the hash to something crypt could never possibly return. |
| 12:51.06 | lvh | stew: oh, thanks |
| 12:51.13 | stew | Macjust: yes, "man 3 crypt" |
| 12:52.29 | lvh | Macjust: There's supposed to be a lot of text after that last dollar sign ;-) |
| 12:52.47 | Macjust | yes |
| 12:53.03 | Macjust | this is the same of the postfix in md5crypt ? |
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| 12:54.29 | libquantumlab | Hi all. Ich bräuchte für meinen Drucker die "libxml.so.1". Wo krieg ich die her? |
| 12:55.07 | lvh | libquantumlab: This is an english-speaking channel, aber es gibt auch noch #debian-de glaub ich |
| 12:55.24 | libquantumlab | lvh: oh, thanks |
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| 12:56.52 | lvh | Why'd he have to leave, I found his answer. |
| 12:58.38 | mhymn | join him in #debian-de then! |
| 12:58.44 | lvh | Did, he's not there |
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| 13:08.25 | nkuttler | lvh: #debian.de |
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| 13:22.28 | epsilon | is there any known issue creating cryted partition during a netinstall? I failed with lenny beta and etch&half, both failed to mount the partitions on first bootup |
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| 13:24.55 | zamuro | epsilon: why don't you try partitioning via gparted livecd or any other partitioning tool _before_ installing debian? |
| 13:24.57 | zxd | in firefox |
| 13:24.57 | zxd | hi is there an option to disable prompting for invalid certificates with accessing SSL sites? |
| 13:25.32 | mhymn | #firefox ? |
| 13:26.20 | zxd | is dead |
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| 13:28.16 | alex_scam | # |
| 13:28.20 | alex_scam | whats a good cpu tempature monitoring prog for etch - for termina; |
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| 13:28.24 | alex_scam | -; +l |
| 13:28.31 | H2S04 | sensors |
| 13:28.32 | H2S04 | :P |
| 13:29.07 | alex_scam | thats the package name? |
| 13:29.11 | alex_scam | or is it lm-sensors |
| 13:29.26 | H2S04 | it should be included in lm-sensors |
| 13:29.31 | alex_scam | ta |
| 13:29.34 | H2S04 | you need lm-sensors regardless. |
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| 13:29.57 | H2S04 | most of the X11 applets that I know of use it. |
| 13:30.11 | mhymn | zxd: found this in google, might be helpful: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6843 |
| 13:30.14 | mhymn | g'luck |
| 13:30.29 | H2S04 | you could easily write a script or even pipe it to get the display you desire. |
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| 13:38.40 | turneralex | heyy :D |
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| 13:41.55 | aib42 | I have a /boot/initrd.img-kernel_version_and_revision file that I've created with make-kpkg --initrd .. It seems to be gzipped but I cannot mount it as ext2 after gunzipping. how can I determine the fs type? |
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| 13:48.50 | montoya | Hi, but http://kde42.debian.net/ is down? |
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| 13:49.50 | liable | aib42: eh? you want to mount the initrd as ext2? |
| 13:49.54 | rgr | Anyone here running xcompmgr? If so did "composite "enable" in the extensions section of the corg work for you? |
| 13:50.04 | rgr | s/corg/xorg |
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| 13:58.08 | valdyn | rgr: composite extension should be on by default |
| 13:58.25 | valdyn | rgr: so that "composite "enable" should have no effect |
| 13:58.43 | valdyn | rgr: xdpyinfo | grep -i composite |
| 13:59.05 | rgr | clearly it isn't. it might be argbvisuals. Need to check in a minute. |
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| 13:59.22 | rgr | the grep came up emtpy |
| 13:59.24 | valdyn | rgr: thats unrelated |
| 13:59.37 | valdyn | rgr: which gfx driver is X using |
| 13:59.39 | valdyn | ? |
| 13:59.40 | jabis | hmm, I've a freaky famd issue with lenny, when using gnome; once ntfs drive is mounted, the famd process hits 80% cpu and the process becomes unkillable also - the drive access seems to work nicely, but the cpu usage is unacceptable |
| 13:59.46 | rgr | nvidia-glx |
| 14:00.00 | rgr | all acceleration etc working |
| 14:00.20 | valdyn | rgr: nvidia enables the composite extension by default |
| 14:00.28 | rgr | ... |
| 14:00.36 | valdyn | rgr: you probably just dont have the libxcomposite installed or somesuch |
| 14:00.51 | valdyn | rgr: grep -i composite /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:00.54 | rgr | will check, but xcompmgr should have puklled it in |
| 14:01.59 | rgr | libxcomposite1 is installed |
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| 14:02.35 | rgr | (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled |
| 14:02.35 | rgr | (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is |
| 14:02.35 | rgr | (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE |
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| 14:03.03 | jabis | anyone with famd thoughts? |
| 14:03.28 | valdyn | jabis: replace famd with libganim ? |
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| 14:03.43 | rgr | according to last grep it is enabled |
| 14:03.46 | valdyn | jabis: err, whatever that name was, hold on |
| 14:03.50 | valdyn | rgr: yes, its on |
| 14:03.53 | rgr | but xcompmgr says its not |
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| 14:04.50 | rgr | it will run under xdm I assume? |
| 14:05.20 | valdyn | jabis: libgamin0 - Client library for the gamin file and directory monitoring system |
| 14:05.25 | jabis | hmmm how would I do this, I've really poor UI knowledge - more a console type :) |
| 14:05.41 | valdyn | jabis: thats perfect, so install libgamin0 |
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| 14:06.38 | jabis | ok, going for the update now, thanks for the pointer |
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| 14:07.22 | jabis | under what repository is it? |
| 14:07.27 | valdyn | rgr: "strace -eopen xcompmgr", paste output on a paste site |
| 14:07.42 | valdyn | !info libgamin0 |
| 14:08.17 | dpkg | libgamin0: (Client library for the gamin file and directory monitoring system), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.1.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 14:08.29 | valdyn | jabis: in debian main, youre not running debian? |
| 14:08.37 | jabis | debian lenny |
| 14:08.40 | rgr | pasted "for valdyn - xcompmgr" at http://paste2.org/p/120689 |
| 14:08.43 | jabis | showing lenny/sid for some reason |
| 14:08.58 | jabis | a fresh install, maybe a week old |
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| 14:09.11 | jabis | apt couldn't find the package |
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| 14:09.33 | valdyn | !info libgamin0 leny |
| 14:09.34 | valdyn | !info libgamin0 lenny |
| 14:09.53 | aib42 | liable: I want to mount the initrd as any filesystem, really |
| 14:10.08 | aib42 | I want to examine and modify the contents |
| 14:10.09 | dpkg | libgamin0: (Client library for the gamin file and directory monitoring system), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.1.9-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 14:10.18 | valdyn | aib42: you cant do that exactly |
| 14:10.18 | liable | aib42: you need to mount it on loopback |
| 14:10.32 | liable | theres a factoid for this iirc |
| 14:10.41 | valdyn | aib42: but you can mount it and you can modify it, just cant use mounting it to modify it |
| 14:10.47 | jabis | well, I'll get it after christmas dinner, thanks for the help :) |
| 14:11.02 | jabis | takes off -> |
| 14:11.40 | aib42 | liable: well yes, but -o loop complains about fs type. I don't know what the type is |
| 14:11.45 | valdyn | rgr: yea, sure, dont know whats wrong yet |
| 14:11.55 | valdyn | aib42: its probably cramfs, but you need to gunzip it first |
| 14:12.03 | aib42 | valdyn: why not? mount -o loop /file /mnt/m ; mkdir /mnt/m/newdir ; sync ; umount /mnt/m |
| 14:12.11 | liable | aib42: you need to unzip it, initrds are cpio archives these days, and mount it on loopback |
| 14:12.20 | valdyn | aib42: the filesystem has no free space |
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| 14:13.06 | aib42 | I see. well, I'm trying to create an initrd from scratch now |
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| 14:13.19 | aib42 | I don't know how I managed to build this one without initrd-tools |
| 14:13.25 | valdyn | aib42: why are you doing this? |
| 14:13.29 | aib42 | (maybe I just copied it over from /boot/) |
| 14:13.32 | DireFog | after migrating from LILO to grub, how do I set up dpkg to update grub after installing new kernel packages? |
| 14:13.54 | aib42 | valdyn: I've made a patch kernel package and I'm trying to match the initrd |
| 14:14.09 | aib42 | liable: what's cpio? |
| 14:14.11 | valdyn | aib42: silly you |
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| 14:14.32 | valdyn | aib42: initrd images are always generated |
| 14:14.45 | aib42 | fine, I'll generate one myself |
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| 14:15.06 | liable | aib42: just an archive format, like gz |
| 14:15.15 | valdyn | aib42: theyre not really meant to be modified manually, and though that is possible, thats not really the right way |
| 14:15.17 | aib42 | liable: okies, thanks |
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| 14:15.36 | aib42 | valdyn: well I actually just wanted to see the contents before trying to make one myself |
| 14:15.51 | aib42 | though it looks like I'll need to use mkinitrd -k for that |
| 14:16.44 | aib42 | er, mkinitramfs |
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| 14:21.53 | aib42 | liable: the initrd.img turned out to be cpio.gz, btw. Thanks. |
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| 14:34.03 | aib42 | DireFog: I think /etc/kernel-img.conf might be what you're looking for. |
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| 14:36.06 | DireFog | aib42: that's a happy one-liner on my system... could you please paste yours? |
| 14:37.01 | aib42 | I have postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/grub-update (same for postrm_hook) .. I thought you'd have one pointing to lilo-update or something |
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| 14:37.29 | DireFog | my file only has "do_symlinks = Yes" |
| 14:37.50 | DireFog | ah, I'm stupid. I'll just check the laptop. |
| 14:37.54 | Skapare | it appears that when downloading a full install (to install onto a computer with no net access) it comes on 3 DVD ISO images plus an ISO image called "update" ... is there a way to combine all that into one to do the install from a bootable USB hard drive? |
| 14:38.00 | DireFog | thanks :-) |
| 14:38.29 | liable | Skapare: for a standard desktop, cd1 will do |
| 14:38.49 | aib42 | I don't know the "debian way" to switch to grub (I've had similar problems switching to 'less' from 'more').. editing the file manually is possibly not it, but I just thought I'd tell you the name |
| 14:39.25 | Skapare | liable: it would be a desktop and server together, and possibly many other packages ... I already downloaded all DVD images |
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| 14:40.08 | Skapare | liable: but it will be a hassle switching USB sticks (I can put each DVD image on a separate USB stick) ... I'd like to get it all in one |
| 14:40.10 | liable | Skapare: see the usb install in the installer. you get the installer, then add the isos to it. i guess it should work for multiple dvd's |
| 14:40.37 | liable | Skapare: you have a 15G usb stick? |
| 14:40.42 | Skapare | 16G |
| 14:40.49 | liable | yikes |
| 14:40.55 | liable | how much did that cost? |
| 14:41.03 | Skapare | $96 |
| 14:41.07 | liable | wow |
| 14:41.17 | liable | thats awsome |
| 14:41.20 | newsense | thats what im hoping my girlfriend got me for xmas :) |
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| 14:41.26 | Skapare | there's actualy a 48G one available even cheaper, but slower |
| 14:41.31 | newsense | been askin for one for months |
| 14:41.44 | Skapare | I also have a 16G SDHC card |
| 14:42.04 | liable | Skapare: anyway, see the usb part of the install manual |
| 14:42.09 | newsense | i got a 2gig microsd :( |
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| 14:42.26 | liable | Skapare: not sure if it can do multiple iso's, but one way to test. |
| 14:42.39 | Skapare | liable: and it tells me how to _prepare_ the disk/stick for the install? |
| 14:42.39 | liable | i think it should be able to |
| 14:42.43 | DireFog | aib42: the file on my laptop is a good bit more comprehensive and should do the trick. Thanks for the pointer. |
| 14:42.44 | liable | yes |
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| 14:44.04 | Skapare | liable: ideally what would be best is for the installer to come as a "image prefix" (maybe one partition on the stick) and then all the .deb files or whatever as a file tree to copy onto the stick |
| 14:44.26 | liable | Skapare: go read the manual, thats pretty much how it works |
| 14:44.46 | liable | well, its the installer kernel, then iso's you add |
| 14:44.50 | Skapare | liable: and the install know how to "look around" for what it needs before trying the net or asking for the next disk |
| 14:45.16 | Skapare | liable: there is no place I can find to download the file tree ... so it can't really "work that way" yet |
| 14:45.37 | liable | Skapare: as i said, im not sure how the usb install copes with multiple iso's, but just try it and see.. |
| 14:45.39 | Skapare | liable: all that I can see to download are CD or DVD ISO images |
| 14:46.19 | Skapare | liable: I don't want to end up having to go do it all over if I do it wrong to begin with ... for the downloading part of this |
| 14:46.23 | liable | but the standard cd installer can detect new cd's, so i suspect the usb can look for other iso's |
| 14:47.00 | Skapare | liable: what I need are definitive "what to do download and how to prepare it" instructions so I can do THIS phase correctly BEFORE I "try it" |
| 14:47.00 | liable | Skapare: why do you have to download them again? cant you store the iso's and just put them on the stick and test it? |
| 14:47.20 | Skapare | liable: I can only put one ISO per stick |
| 14:47.54 | liable | why? if its 16G? |
| 14:48.06 | Skapare | liable: I have enough sticks (4 8GB sticks) to do that ... but I'd rather have the install not ask me to change |
| 14:48.34 | liable | Skapare: well, go read the installer manual and see what it says for a start |
| 14:48.39 | Skapare | liable: ISOs on a USB stick won't look like multiple ISOs ... only one can do it at a time |
| 14:49.02 | liable | Skapare: you know this how? |
| 14:49.06 | Skapare | the installer manual assumed I would put one CD ISO on a stick |
| 14:49.07 | jandremendesc | hello |
| 14:49.23 | liable | Skapare: try firing an email to debian-boot |
| 14:49.48 | Skapare | liable: because there isn't a way in the USB standard construct ONE image so it shows up as multiple images |
| 14:50.15 | liable | Skapare: the iso's are seperate iso's. im not sure i am following you here.. |
| 14:50.19 | Skapare | liable: the USB stick is a ONE image device ... sure, someone could make some USB circuitry to appear as multiple devices ... but they don't do that |
| 14:50.30 | liable | no no no |
| 14:50.40 | liable | go read the manual |
| 14:50.45 | Skapare | I did |
| 14:51.01 | Skapare | it didn't address this ... it assumed stuff not applicable |
| 14:51.39 | Skapare | if it did, it didn't talk about it in these terms |
| 14:51.46 | liable | you suck, now you are making me go read it |
| 14:52.04 | Skapare | oh, sorry, I thought you knew what was in it |
| 14:52.22 | liable | i know it reasonably well, not back to front though |
| 14:53.00 | Skapare | if they had made the 3 DVDs into a single BRDVD image, I could have just used that as-is |
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| 14:53.14 | shams | how can i download a website completely? |
| 14:53.20 | Skapare | but BR-DVD isn't widespread enough for them to do that I guess |
| 14:53.38 | liable | Skapare: just follow http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en and stick all the iso's on it.. |
| 14:53.48 | liable | Skapare: where does it say its limited to one iso? |
| 14:53.51 | Skapare | shams: don't try to download my website completely ... it uses virtual URLs and will kill your bandwidth |
| 14:53.58 | liable | or needs on humungous image? |
| 14:54.03 | liable | one* |
| 14:54.12 | Skapare | liable: it's how the USBs emulate DVDs |
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| 14:54.39 | liable | Skapare: its not a dvd, its an iso |
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| 14:55.27 | Skapare | liable: same thing ... the USB device controller does not have a feature for making one device appear as multiple devices based on some data pattern in the device image |
| 14:55.40 | Skapare | liable: would be nice if it did, but no one ever standardized it |
| 14:55.46 | liable | Skapare: why does it all need to appear as one image? |
| 14:56.11 | Skapare | liable: because only one image will be presented by the controller |
| 14:56.21 | liable | the cd installer can ask for multiple cd's for install, and the usb installer is the same internals, i bet it can find multiple dvd's |
| 14:56.39 | liable | Skapare: i think you are confused |
| 14:57.02 | liable | Skapare: the installer boots, and it looks for iso's on the filesystem |
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| 14:57.09 | Skapare | liable: I have only 2 USB ports on these computers so at best I can do 2 isos at a time |
| 14:57.29 | Skapare | liable: oh ... it understands an "ISO inside an ISO"? |
| 14:58.28 | liable | Skapare: no, its not iso within an iso.. its an installer kernel on a filesystem, that looks for iso's on the same filesystem |
| 14:58.55 | Skapare | liable: well that would still be an ISO file inside the ISO filesystem |
| 14:59.04 | liable | uh, no |
| 14:59.18 | Skapare | liable: you can loopback mount them ... but I didn't know it would know to do that |
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| 15:00.11 | liable | anyway, one dvd is more than enough to install just about anything than the most obscure software. mount the other ones after install if you need them |
| 15:01.16 | Skapare | liable: is there a list of what packages are on each DVD so I can confirm that 100% of what I need is on the first one? Because it is avoiding "mount the other ones after install" that I am specifically trying to avoid here |
| 15:01.27 | liable | !cd contents |
| 15:01.27 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 15:01.37 | MJS | hi |
| 15:01.54 | MJS | what can I do, when moutn says |
| 15:01.55 | MJS | mount: block device /dev/sdb1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 15:02.06 | MJS | *mount |
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| 15:04.41 | Skapare | no files in the archive mirror end in ".jigdo" |
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| 15:06.57 | fanta-muzz | hi all |
| 15:07.14 | fanta-muzz | Is there a way to get 'time' module for iptables for stock etch kernel? |
| 15:07.35 | fanta-muzz | need it for administration purposes... |
| 15:07.59 | fanta-muzz | (-m time I mean) |
| 15:09.07 | aib42 | how does make-kpkg kernel_image create an initrd image? |
| 15:09.20 | liable | aib42: --initrd |
| 15:09.43 | aib42 | liable: yes but what does --initrd do? sorry, the question was a big ambiguous |
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| 15:10.47 | liable | aib42: it makes an initrd as part of the resulting deb when the kernel is built |
| 15:10.47 | aib42 | I'm guessing it calls mkinitramfs-kpkg but all I get on that program is that it's a wrapper around mkinitramfs. |
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| 15:11.30 | aib42 | it would be great to have some control over the initrd image built |
| 15:11.34 | fanta-muzz | How to rebuild a debian package which is got via apt-get source |
| 15:11.36 | fanta-muzz | ? |
| 15:12.13 | liable | aib42: like what? |
| 15:12.34 | liable | fanta-muzz: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 15:13.04 | liable | from inside the dir |
| 15:13.06 | aib42 | liable: pass -k option to mkinitramfs to keep the source directories, for a start. |
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| 15:13.36 | liable | aib42: what do you mean by keep the source directories? |
| 15:13.40 | fanta-muzz | liable: thanks! I've got 3 packages - .diff.gz, .dsc and .tar.gz. What is the procedure to extract and prepare sources? |
| 15:13.46 | Skapare | liable: are the .jigdo files in the regular debian distribution file tree? I do not see them at all in the debian-cd file tree |
| 15:14.16 | aib42 | liable: it's just a switch I'd like to pass to mkinitramfs. I want more control over the initrd build process. |
| 15:14.21 | aib42 | maybe even change mkinitrd's settings |
| 15:14.39 | liable | Skapare: i dont know actually, i have never looked, i just knew that factoid showed what was supposed to work |
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| 15:14.59 | liable | aib42: mkinitrd has a config.. |
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| 15:15.03 | fanta-muzz | shoud I manully exact diff.gz and apply the patch over previously extracted tree? |
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| 15:15.39 | liable | fanta-muzz: no, theres a dpkg-<something> binary that will extract the dsc and tarball. i forget the command atm |
| 15:15.42 | Skapare | liable: maybe I should look for the tools and distribution contents needed to make the ISOs from scratch, then hack to to make it all into a single larger ISO |
| 15:15.54 | Skapare | liable: ISO images can be any size for USB booting |
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| 15:16.12 | liable | fanta-muzz: if you used apt-get source, it should have extracted the tarball and given you a directory with everything |
| 15:16.33 | lostson | so i installed qt4 and qt-designer why doesnt the fonts antialias ? |
| 15:17.28 | Skapare | liable: the trouble is the install manual assumes the simpler cases that 99.9% of situations have |
| 15:17.47 | liable | fanta-muzz: dget will also do it, for fetching the dsc file |
| 15:17.50 | Skapare | liable: and no one really knows the guts enough to say how to adapt to the special cases |
| 15:18.03 | liable | Skapare: so fire an email to debian-boot |
| 15:18.21 | Skapare | @? |
| 15:18.30 | liable | its the d-i mailing list |
| 15:18.50 | liable | lists.debian.org |
| 15:18.56 | Skapare | oh |
| 15:19.12 | Skapare | yet another mailing list to subscribe to and fill my mailbox |
| 15:19.24 | liable | no need to subscribe.. |
| 15:19.31 | liable | stop whining |
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| 15:20.05 | Skapare | this mailing list is different, how? it tracks responses to your specific email and emails only them back? |
| 15:20.28 | liable | its the list the d-i team use |
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| 15:21.13 | liable | Skapare: never heard of mailing list archives? telling people you arent subscribed so please cc me? |
| 15:21.52 | Skapare | liable: on 99.9% of mailing lists on the net, asking such is considered rude |
| 15:22.06 | liable | Skapare: your lists must suck then |
| 15:22.16 | Skapare | liable: that's a practice that pretty much ended a decade ago when the spammers flooded the lists |
| 15:22.24 | liable | Skapare: even still, you can look at the archive once a day.. yes? |
| 15:22.32 | liable | Skapare: stop making stupid excuses |
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| 15:23.55 | Skapare | liable: then I presume they have some strong anti-spam on the input of the list if they don't restrict it to subscribers |
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| 15:24.24 | liable | Skapare: dude, just send the email, i am not interested in discussing mailing list etiquette |
| 15:25.50 | liable | sheesh |
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| 15:26.21 | _2 | i just installed debian etch on a tosheba satalite A135 has the ati vidio the hda audio and the atheros wifi what are the chances of getting all this propriatary crap working on etch ? |
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| 15:27.09 | schme | _2: hda audio should just work, no problem with the ati. Dunno about the atheros. |
| 15:27.19 | _2 | and are there any packages that i should be aware of, that might help in all this ? |
| 15:27.34 | schme | hmm.. |
| 15:27.36 | _2 | schme there is definitely a problem with the vidio |
| 15:27.44 | schme | _2: There are? |
| 15:28.07 | _2 | there be |
| 15:28.14 | schme | _2: If vesa driver is not working I suggest you refund the whole thing. |
| 15:28.25 | _2 | lol |
| 15:28.35 | schme | ? |
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| 15:29.42 | _2 | the driver "ati" is what it defaulted to, i can try vesa but that's kinda going from bad to worse isn't it? |
| 15:29.44 | schme | _2: You might want to look at the madwifi packages. |
| 15:29.49 | schme | Is it? |
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| 15:30.09 | schme | I think it sounds just great, but what do I know :) |
| 15:30.10 | _2 | schme will look into madwifi |
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| 15:32.52 | schme | _2: I think ati makes some drivers of their own too. |
| 15:32.56 | liable | madwifi should work ok |
| 15:33.08 | liable | unless its a newer card. |
| 15:33.36 | fanta-muzz | Ok, I've got iptables source (from etch repository) of that version which is installed in my system and want to rebuild them making only one modification: I want to enable 'time' module. Is there any common way on modifying sources on debian? |
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| 15:33.56 | fanta-muzz | I mean on configuring sources |
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| 15:35.21 | _2 | did anyone see my message about reboot ? |
| 15:35.39 | liable | no |
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| 15:35.53 | _2 | i tried the vesa driver and it hangs the display solid black, looks like the entire box was hung. |
| 15:37.08 | schme | _2: Ah man! I have the exact same thing with a nvidia card here. vesa and nvidias driver both make it all black. I had to go install 32bit linux for it to work. |
| 15:38.05 | _2 | schme i think my etch install is 32bit though |
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| 15:38.30 | _2 | 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 15:39.01 | schme | well bummer then. :S |
| 15:39.07 | _2 | anyway i was already pretty sure that the vesa driver wouldn't work. |
| 15:39.35 | _2 | does debian not have a non-free driver like ubuntu does ? |
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| 15:42.25 | _2 | i guess i could use a ubuntu kernel+restricted drivers package... but that's not desireable. |
| 15:44.28 | _2 | maybe use a tarball from the ati site even ? |
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| 15:46.49 | kladizkov | is there any way i could use reboot command so that when it boots it will use a particular grub entry to boot...ie suppose if its default=0 in grub, and i need to reboot my machine so that i will choose 2 instead of 0...any idea how? |
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| 15:48.28 | Yamakiri_ | Anyone know which one of these would be best suited for a server? [alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] and if any of them are x64? |
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| 15:49.31 | hoxu | kladizkov, man grub-reboot |
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| 15:53.01 | _2 | console fonts are horable, well at least the ascii drawing chars are. and running /etc/init.d/console_screen.sh doesn't help either |
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| 15:55.19 | dios_mio | I installed debian but grub was a failure, I had to reinstall to use lilo this time |
| 15:55.23 | _2 | ah changing the etc/environment form lang=blah to lang=C fixed the fonts |
| 15:55.49 | _2 | dios_mio same here, but i know why grub can't work here. |
| 15:56.01 | _2 | i don't have any partitions |
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| 15:56.19 | dios_mio | grub is useless |
| 15:56.46 | _2 | useless ? no, it has it's place, |
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| 15:57.39 | _2 | grub doesn't need to write to the mbr every time a change is made, lilo does so the basic idea is good, the implimentation is weak though |
| 15:57.58 | SPF | talking about grub, is there a way to keep the kernel parameter settings like vga=791 after apt-get update (when a kernel version is included) or should I just make a rc.d script for it? |
| 15:58.25 | SPF | s/update/upgrade |
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| 15:58.35 | Ace2016_- | SPF: yes it is possible |
| 15:58.38 | _2 | SPF you can edit the defaults section of the menu.lst |
| 15:58.51 | SPF | yes, but you'd have to do that every time |
| 15:58.56 | _2 | no |
| 15:59.10 | SPF | after the upgrade, it removes vga=791 automaticly |
| 15:59.20 | Ace2016_- | SPF: it will not remove it if you add it to defaults |
| 15:59.36 | _2 | if you change the defaults section (which is all commented out) then the changes made there should become default in all updates |
| 15:59.49 | SPF | ah, there is a kernel parameter default section somewhere in menu.lst? |
| 16:00.15 | Ace2016_- | SPF: please just read menu.lst |
| 16:00.20 | SPF | defoptions? |
| 16:00.31 | _2 | scrumages around for a menu.lst file to look at/pastebin |
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| 16:01.20 | _2 | seems i deleted /boot after the last changes to lilo so i don't have a menu.lst anymore |
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| 16:02.01 | Yamakiri_ | Can someone point me to the debian server edition installer? |
| 16:02.28 | petemc | Yamakiri_: debian doesnt differentiate, just dont install the packages you dont need |
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| 16:03.01 | Yamakiri_ | oh ok |
| 16:03.11 | Yamakiri_ | petemc: is there an x64 version |
| 16:03.19 | petemc | yes, called amd64 |
| 16:03.42 | Yamakiri_ | isn't that a processor type? |
| 16:03.52 | petemc | yes, but in this context its not |
| 16:03.59 | petemc | its all 64 bit x86 |
| 16:04.20 | Yamakiri_ | ahh |
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| 16:05.25 | Yamakiri_ | does this mean I need 24 CDs to install it? :S http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 16:05.30 | petemc | no |
| 16:05.35 | petemc | you need just one |
| 16:05.58 | Yamakiri_ | oh okay phew |
| 16:06.10 | petemc | the cds are for those unlucky people with no internet access |
| 16:06.49 | Yamakiri_ | don't I have to load the CD image on the server though? |
| 16:06.59 | petemc | mostr servers can boot from cd |
| 16:07.17 | petemc | then you install a minimal system, and grab anything els you need from the network |
| 16:07.38 | Yamakiri_ | oh okay :) |
| 16:07.59 | petemc | theres a fairly complete install guide you should have a look at |
| 16:08.13 | Yamakiri_ | hmm? |
| 16:08.21 | petemc | !ig |
| 16:08.22 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r6 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 16:09.12 | _2 | that infonode is kinda out of date isn't it |
| 16:09.33 | Yamakiri_ | my lord it's like a book x_x |
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| 16:13.18 | Yamakiri_ | petemc: it doesn't say which one of the 24 .iso files I'm supposed to click |
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| 16:14.50 | Maulkin | Yamakiri_: use the netinstall if you have a net connection |
| 16:16.14 | Yamakiri_ | Maulkin: The server has no operating system pre-installed |
| 16:16.38 | Maulkin | Yamakiri_: but will it have a net connection? |
| 16:16.43 | Yamakiri_ | yes |
| 16:16.55 | Maulkin | The netinst cd can fetch what it needs over the network as it goes. |
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| 16:17.04 | _2 | anyone know where/how i can see a list of the consolechar installed ? |
| 16:17.06 | Yamakiri_ | oh okay |
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| 16:20.01 | _2 | whoever invented "page_completion" in bash should have their head examined. they were obviously missing something |
| 16:20.24 | Yamakiri_ | Maulkin: can I have a link to the amd64 netinstall cd? |
| 16:20.27 | d-b | _2: ah ? |
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| 16:21.32 | d-b | bash is good. |
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| 16:22.09 | _2 | but -----more-----? is like going back to m$dos 3.0 |
| 16:22.23 | Maulkin | Yamakiri_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:22.25 | _2 | totally useless and annoying |
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| 16:22.35 | Yamakiri_ | thanks Maulkin :D |
| 16:23.28 | _2 | always has to "set page_completion off" in his inputrc to be able to tolerate bash |
| 16:23.46 | _2 | maybe it's just me... |
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| 16:30.56 | _2 | so nobody here at this time has dealt with ati vidio chips ? |
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| 16:39.39 | pozic | Mozilla Iceweasel 3.0.5 doesn't display the fonts correctly. I get this: "Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font, expect ugly output. the offending font is". |
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| 16:42.28 | negge | Covener: alright I added the IndexStyleSheet to the default site config file and the directory listing sure points to the file but it doesn't seem to use it somehow |
| 16:42.37 | negge | I don't know if I'm entering the path the wrong way or something... |
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| 16:43.40 | negge | nevermind it was just a stupid permission problem... |
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| 16:46.51 | pif | built nvidia packages for 2.6.28 if anyone's interested |
| 16:51.01 | _2 | needs ati package for 2.6.18 |
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| 16:52.38 | pif | 2.6.18? that's old |
| 16:52.50 | _2 | that's default etch |
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| 16:56.56 | _2 | any way to disable the scrollbar in "mc = midnight commander" ? |
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| 16:58.30 | schme | _2: I don't think there is apart from rebuilding it without 'em. |
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| 16:59.41 | eniac_petrov1 | Hello to all! Is it possible to move from Debian Lenny to Debian Sid? |
| 17:00.06 | eniac_petrov1 | I want kde4, but kde4.debian.net is dead |
| 17:00.25 | asg | eniac_petrov1: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 17:01.03 | pif | eniac_petrov1: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:01.33 | eniac_petrov1 | thank you! :) |
| 17:01.38 | eniac_petrov1 | [18:56] task_struct: на ÑбÑнÑÑ Ð¸ 1 Ñ Ð¥Ð |
| 17:01.58 | eniac_petrov1 | excuse me, the irc client is buggy |
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| 17:02.29 | _2 | schme i was kinda thinking that too. just wishful thinking. the chars used to draw the scrollbar are the only thing that isn't rendering correctly so it appears as three @ chars wide |
| 17:02.44 | _2 | @@@ |
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| 17:06.26 | _2 | the vesa driver would work, or the packaged ati driver would work, IF one was totally committed to xorg and had no intention of ever seeing anything that wasn't xorg. but sense i'm primarily a console user and when i do start X i don't want that to lock me out of my working consoles, neither are acceptable drivers. |
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| 17:08.23 | pif | i'm using the latest ati drivers in sid/2.6.27.10 without problems |
| 17:08.31 | _2 | the vesa hangs the system hard, and the ati driver hoses the textmode display, and subsequently hoses the vidio display when one tries to go back to xorg so that after starting xorg, i'm stuck there until reboot. |
| 17:08.35 | pif | on a sony laptop |
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| 17:10.21 | _2 | pif but do you switch consoles while xorg is running ? |
| 17:10.29 | pif | sure |
| 17:10.35 | _2 | pif see that's my problem, i can get xorg to work, but if i do i loose all access to other tty's |
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| 17:10.57 | pif | i ctrl-alt-fn without problem |
| 17:11.24 | pif | using catalyst-8.12 |
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| 17:11.45 | Yamakiri | if while using the Debian Installer I get the error "Network autoconfiguration failed - Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly" how should I resolve it? |
| 17:12.04 | _2 | k. i may try a later version then. |
| 17:12.31 | pif | Yamakiri: your network card is probably not supported by the installer |
| 17:12.40 | Yamakiri | ahh |
| 17:12.48 | pif | or you really don't have a dhcp server ? |
| 17:13.05 | Yamakiri | I'm installing this at my house before I colocate the server |
| 17:13.27 | _2 | no dhcp here boss |
| 17:13.37 | Yamakiri | pif: can I configure the dhcp server after the server's been colocated? |
| 17:14.27 | pif | nope |
| 17:14.34 | Yamakiri | oh... |
| 17:14.47 | _2 | and why not ? |
| 17:15.14 | pif | a colo machine most likely won't be running a dhcp server |
| 17:15.25 | Yamakiri | oh okay |
| 17:15.31 | Yamakiri | so pif, I won't need it? |
| 17:15.51 | pif | you need one to give an IP address to you box now |
| 17:16.03 | _2 | or set it manually |
| 17:16.09 | pif | if/once your net card is recognized |
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| 17:16.38 | pif | usually a home setup always has a dhcp server: the dsl/cable router |
| 17:16.40 | _2 | ifconfig -a will show that |
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| 17:17.55 | Yamakiri | pif: there are 4 options after that screen, retry network autoconfiguration, retry network autoconfiguration with a dhcp hostname, configure network manually, and Do not configure the network at this time |
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| 17:18.19 | pif | describe your home network |
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| 17:18.43 | Yamakiri | I have a Netgear router, which is behind my Cable Modem |
| 17:18.59 | Yamakiri | And I have 2 computers connected to the internet already |
| 17:19.00 | pif | ok so this is you dhcp server |
| 17:19.35 | pif | what kind of network interface your box has? |
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| 17:20.05 | Yamakiri | box as in server or box as in router |
| 17:20.13 | pif | server |
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| 17:20.35 | Yamakiri | Well the OS isn't even partially installed yet... |
| 17:20.47 | Yamakiri | I have a 1GBps ethernet plug in the back |
| 17:21.08 | pif | why do you bother with hardware in the first place? just rent some shares in a server |
| 17:21.26 | pif | you'll have your own virtual debian server with zero hassle |
| 17:21.49 | Yamakiri | well I was actually going to offer VPS :P |
| 17:22.01 | Yamakiri | and I've already bought the server |
| 17:22.17 | pif | you can resell server shares |
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| 17:23.16 | pif | keep your server at home as dev/staging machine |
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| 17:23.43 | rgr | valdyn: I found the xcompmgr problem. It simply does not work with xinerama enabled. Rats. |
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| 17:24.28 | Yamakiri | well can you tell me how I should set up the DHCP though? I need it to just intall the operating system |
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| 17:25.07 | pif | as i said your net card is not recognized, get a latest sid installer |
| 17:25.23 | pif | you can always select to install etch with it |
| 17:25.44 | pif | although all my servers run sid, but that's me :) |
| 17:25.52 | _2 | anyone have a link to linux driver for ati from ati ? i can't get shit out of their web page |
| 17:26.17 | Yamakiri | pif: so it doesn't matter that this is a netinstall? |
| 17:26.41 | pif | what do you mean? |
| 17:26.44 | zinx | _2: 32bit or 64bit? |
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| 17:26.56 | _2 | rc410 radeon xpress 200m 32bit |
| 17:27.12 | Yamakiri | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 17:27.30 | Yamakiri | A "network install" or "netinst" CD is a single CD which enables you to install the entire operating system. This single CD contains just the minimal amount of software to start the installation and fetch the remaining packages over the Internet. |
| 17:27.39 | zinx | _2: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html |
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| 17:27.49 | _2 | zinx thanks |
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| 17:28.06 | pif | for a netinstall to happen you need a kernel that supports your hardware |
| 17:28.23 | zinx | _2: use --buildandinstallpkg Debian/<whatever Debian release you're using> .. like Debian/etch for example |
| 17:28.52 | Yamakiri | pif: and mine happens not to support my kernel right? :( |
| 17:28.57 | _2 | etch |
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| 17:29.03 | Yamakiri | er hardware, not kernel |
| 17:29.24 | _2 | but 77m dl for the driver-install i can't do that. that will take a week to dl |
| 17:29.27 | pif | etch installers are very bad with recent gigabit cards |
| 17:29.42 | pif | been there |
| 17:29.52 | Yamakiri | oh so I shouldn't install Debian on my server? |
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| 17:30.22 | pif | I SAID GET A SID INSTALLLER? are you death? |
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| 17:30.38 | zinx | _2: too bad, then. |
| 17:30.59 | zinx | _2: you can use the free drivers, but i don't think they provide 3d acceleration for that card. |
| 17:31.10 | _2 | zinx yeah i'll save the url, maybe when i'm some place normal i'll be able to get it. |
| 17:31.11 | petemc | pif: which sid installer is it you;re referring to? |
| 17:31.28 | Yamakiri | pif: a session ID? |
| 17:31.41 | pif | *rolleyes* |
| 17:31.51 | _2 | zinx you must have missed my rant about the free driver only working if i want to loose all access to my other tty's |
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| 17:34.16 | Yamakiri | pif: what's a sid? |
| 17:34.50 | petemc | Yamakiri: sid is the unstable release of debian, its almost certainly not what you want |
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| 17:35.05 | Yamakiri | ohhh |
| 17:35.08 | petemc | Yamakiri: there are installers with updated kernels if your hardware isnt supported |
| 17:35.28 | _2 | well i got sshd streightened out, i have a usable mc file manager elinks web browser and bitchx irc client. got gpm mouse support. i still need vlc and svgalibs so i can watch vidios if i want and i'll be set |
| 17:35.34 | Yamakiri | petemc: you know where I could download one of these? |
| 17:36.05 | petemc | Yamakiri: look for etchnhalf or you could try lenny |
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| 17:36.21 | petemc | or else kmuto makes etch installers with the latest kernel |
| 17:36.25 | petemc | or did, last time i checked |
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| 17:37.41 | Yamakiri | petemc: those are official, right? |
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| 17:40.28 | stoned | merry xmas |
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| 17:42.49 | _2 | stoned and a very joyful christ mass to you too |
| 17:43.22 | stoned | I don't celebrate it |
| 17:43.23 | stoned | but ok thanks |
| 17:43.30 | stoned | I am not xtian |
| 17:44.02 | stoned | pif, I remeber you from 1993 |
| 17:44.08 | stoned | pif, program information file. |
| 17:44.16 | stoned | pif, windows 3.1 ;) |
| 17:44.26 | pif | 3.11 :) |
| 17:44.32 | stoned | same thing |
| 17:44.42 | zinx | 3.11 was windows for workgroups |
| 17:44.42 | stoned | 11 was fo workgroups, 3.1 was without workgroup support |
| 17:44.43 | pif | windows for workgroups |
| 17:44.43 | stoned | lanmanger |
| 17:44.55 | pif | trumpet winsock anyone? |
| 17:44.59 | stoned | hehe |
| 17:45.02 | stoned | hi zinx |
| 17:45.04 | _2 | mmmm that was dot pif |
| 17:45.19 | stoned | yes indeed |
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| 17:45.26 | stoned | I have to go to work right now |
| 17:45.33 | stoned | server is down :( |
| 17:45.47 | stoned | man, the favors I do for this guy... |
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| 17:46.14 | pif | do you want to talk about it? |
| 17:46.20 | stoned | not really |
| 17:46.28 | stoned | just mentionaing that I'm a bit irritated is good enough |
| 17:46.48 | pif | please vent, it's xmas after all |
| 17:46.50 | d-b | stoned: so go to work |
| 17:46.51 | stoned | its ok I promised a boss a blunt |
| 17:46.51 | stoned | ;) |
| 17:47.07 | stoned | i just have to go reboot the server and any services make sure are up again |
| 17:47.10 | stoned | then smoke ablunt |
| 17:47.12 | stoned | xmas blunt |
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| 17:47.29 | stoned | its all white/red stripped diagnolly this buntwrapper and tastes like a candy cane |
| 17:47.35 | stoned | too much ot, I think im about to get yelled at |
| 17:47.35 | pif | blunt? is that a reefer? |
| 17:47.39 | stoned | #debian-chat |
| 17:47.41 | stoned | yes pif |
| 17:48.11 | stoned | I work for eyeglassliqudiators.com |
| 17:48.35 | stoned | no point in going there now, I'm still uploading the data, we just finished the site actually so now product upload is in proccess |
| 17:48.46 | stoned | I wrote a few C# and php apps for them to ease data management |
| 17:49.03 | stoned | currently working on a barcode scanner/scannable inventory management system in c# |
| 17:49.20 | stoned | interfacing with a generic bar code scanner with open firmware if you can find one is hard as balls. |
| 17:51.31 | pif | sympathises |
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| 17:53.59 | pif | since I rebooted to 2.6.28 + nvidia-180.18 my h264 videos play smooth as baby's ass |
| 17:54.45 | d-b | pif: shouldn't make a diff, its not like nvidia is using gem... |
| 17:54.58 | stoned | pif, you go around feeling up baby's asses? |
| 17:55.05 | pif | even in their beta drivers? |
| 17:55.06 | stoned | dude.. thats not right. |
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| 17:55.22 | d-b | pif: not the kernels 2.6.27 ... i think |
| 17:55.28 | d-b | but its closed source so who knows |
| 17:55.33 | pif | i said 2.6.28 |
| 17:55.33 | stoned | I've helped raise 2 kids and I don't even konw what a baby's ass feels like |
| 17:55.39 | stoned | ok nm bad jokes ;) |
| 17:55.40 | stoned | im out |
| 17:56.17 | pif | i can feel my 9 mo old baby girl's ass at least |
| 17:56.25 | pif | when I change her nappies I mean :) |
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| 17:58.52 | cheops09876 | hi, how can i disable opendns in debian? |
| 17:59.33 | craigevil-eee | the same way you enable it, edit /etc/resolv.conf or the router it is setup on |
| 18:00.45 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 18:01.14 | kibibyte | where to search for log when my system frozes after wake up from suspending? |
| 18:02.29 | kibibyte | ?? |
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| 18:02.44 | mhymn | cheops09876: take a look at: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:02.48 | kibibyte | enouf, |
| 18:02.48 | pif | most likely log hasn't been flushed to disk |
| 18:02.50 | kibibyte | where to search for log when my system frozes after wake up from suspending? |
| 18:03.10 | nick4 | any tutorial for installing KDE4x on Lenny? |
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| 18:03.20 | pif | apt-get install kde |
| 18:03.22 | nick4 | also, has anyone from here done it? |
| 18:03.45 | mhymn | nick4: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html and http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
| 18:03.47 | pif | er, kde4 |
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| 18:03.56 | nick4 | mhymn, thanks :D |
| 18:03.58 | mhymn | nick4: join #debian-kde for more info |
| 18:04.01 | nick4 | okey |
| 18:04.14 | stoned | nick4, kde4.debian.org |
| 18:04.21 | stoned | !kde4 |
| 18:04.22 | dpkg | kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ <Experimental> packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 18:04.41 | mhymn | my bad, i pasted the same url twice! |
| 18:04.59 | nick4 | great! |
| 18:05.11 | nick4 | I gotta take a look |
| 18:05.24 | cheops09876 | thank you very much |
| 18:05.29 | nick4 | I heard I can run my gtk apps as if they where qt ones |
| 18:05.50 | pif | what freely available 3d game could I try on my box to test graphics? |
| 18:06.00 | dante_2core | nexuiz |
| 18:06.18 | dante_2core | well, to bench them if you meant that - to just try whether they work, use planetpenguinracer or something small |
| 18:06.48 | nick4 | glxgears perhaps? |
| 18:07.01 | nick4 | it's just a test program with two gears spinning pif |
| 18:07.04 | dante_2core | nick4, thanks - I keep not seing the forest of all the trees |
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| 18:07.10 | dante_2core | seeing* |
| 18:07.11 | nick4 | hah :D |
| 18:07.36 | wd | r there p2p that doesn't use java? jeees. |
| 18:07.44 | dante_2core | pif, glxgears is in mesa-tools or mesa-utils, look for it there |
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| 18:09.05 | nick4 | wd, deluge, transmition (but not as feature-complete), rtorrent (console) |
| 18:09.06 | pif | yep, what is a "good" framerate in glxgears? |
| 18:09.26 | zinx | glxgears isn't a benchmark |
| 18:09.26 | nick4 | pif, with today's cards? thousands of frames! |
| 18:09.36 | pif | tests |
| 18:09.48 | schme_ | pif: There's Yo frankie! |
| 18:09.54 | schme_ | pif: (freely available 3d game) |
| 18:09.55 | pif | 3459.651 |
| 18:10.02 | nick4 | nexuiz is quite intensive, it's a good benchmark |
| 18:10.10 | nick4 | also, QuakeWars demo from id software |
| 18:10.17 | zinx | try neverball or whatever |
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| 18:10.22 | pif | openarena as welll |
| 18:10.33 | schme_ | Well I better install the nexuiz :) |
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| 18:10.47 | schme_ | oh it's a run around and shoot game :( |
| 18:10.52 | nick4 | yes, but openarena can run on very old systems as well |
| 18:11.00 | nick4 | yesh! action! |
| 18:11.02 | zinx | schme_: try neverball? |
| 18:11.08 | schme_ | I'll try the neverball. |
| 18:11.09 | pif | nexuiz, "Need to get 392MB of archives" :) |
| 18:11.14 | nick4 | also, supertux |
| 18:11.21 | schme_ | supertux issa not so fun :) |
| 18:11.27 | nick4 | hmm |
| 18:11.37 | schme_ | pif: I'm getting that horrible 392MB too. 3 minutes :( |
| 18:11.37 | craigevil-eee | glest,neverball,nexuix all need decent fps |
| 18:11.41 | mhymn | wd: yes, rtorrent, ktorrent, transmission and ... |
| 18:11.42 | nick4 | there is another game with a penguin sliding on snow |
| 18:11.44 | schme_ | hates the slow internets :( |
| 18:11.54 | schme_ | Oh. I thought supertux was the sliding one? |
| 18:11.58 | pif | is that a doom engine game? |
| 18:12.12 | MJS | tuxracer, nick4 |
| 18:12.16 | nick4 | I think supertux is a super-mario one |
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| 18:12.19 | nick4 | yes, tuxracer |
| 18:12.20 | schme_ | ooh. |
| 18:12.21 | mhymn | !ot |
| 18:12.21 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 18:12.34 | nick4 | oh, okey :P |
| 18:12.41 | wd | nick4: i have transmission it's bittorrent.. isn't deluge same? looking for something limewire/frostwire style. |
| 18:12.53 | nick4 | deluge is more rich wd |
| 18:13.06 | nick4 | FW/LW also connects to gnutella |
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| 18:13.21 | nick4 | i like rtorrent the most but it doesnt start some torrents |
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| 18:14.24 | pif | likes transmission-deamon |
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| 18:16.49 | stoned | mmm |
| 18:16.51 | stoned | choc. sugar wafers |
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| 18:18.39 | wd | nick4: fw/lw? yes i'm looking for gnutella type..java is driving me crazy. |
| 18:18.51 | ewet | nick4: I haven't had _any_ torrent it wouldn't start. can you please enlighten me? |
| 18:19.11 | petemc | some private trackers only allow specific clients |
| 18:19.46 | nick4 | wd, give gtk-gnutella a try |
| 18:19.51 | nick4 | i had some luck with it |
| 18:20.17 | nick4 | ewet, I fed rtorrent with a torrent and it wouldnt start. I gave it to gelude and all was well |
| 18:20.38 | nick4 | It's a pitty because now I am thinking about using azuereus in console mode |
| 18:20.44 | nick4 | rtorrent is so much lighter |
| 18:20.52 | ewet | rtorrent runs rock solid here - never had any problem of any sort (that's rare with p2p programs) and it never uses more than 25mb ram (that`s also rare) |
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| 18:21.30 | stoned | deluge torrent is awesome if you are in gtk |
| 18:21.51 | mhymn | same with ktorrent in kde |
| 18:22.09 | nick4 | same with utorrent in wine (the black sheep :P) |
| 18:24.02 | ewet | yaeh utorrent is also nice but I like background programs to be independent from xorg (let alone wine) |
| 18:24.24 | ewet | s/ae/ea |
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| 18:29.16 | lostson | does anyone use mocp ? |
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| 18:30.14 | stoned | they should make utorrent open source and port it to linux |
| 18:30.16 | stoned | seriously |
| 18:30.47 | cheops09876 | hm something seems to write into my resolve.conf,-even if i erase the content of this file as root and reboot - resolving entries do still exist and opendns is still running |
| 18:31.07 | Yamakiri | when installing Debian, does anyone think it'd be a good idea to use LVM? |
| 18:31.22 | zinx | cheops09876: dhcp and ppp will both overwrite resolv.conf |
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| 18:31.49 | r3dd0 | hey |
| 18:31.50 | cheops09876 | although no sever seems to be running, as soon as i type in localhost i get access to the strato admin page |
| 18:31.55 | enouf | cheops09876: try /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
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| 18:32.01 | r3dd0 | for a webserver: etch or lenny? |
| 18:32.42 | cheops09876 | could it be the logoin page for the proxy ssh server i created? |
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| 18:33.08 | cheops09876 | im sitting on my homebox / dreamlinux |
| 18:33.32 | cheops09876 | and still got a connection to reolver1.pend.dns |
| 18:33.34 | negge | is it normal for harddrives to fail (by fail I mean somehow hang up so the computer freezes and you have to reboot) when the overalla system temperature is around 50 C? |
| 18:33.54 | r3dd0 | negge, no |
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| 18:34.07 | cheops09876 | * resolver1.opendns.com |
| 18:34.11 | r3dd0 | 50°C arent good, but not so dangerous |
| 18:34.46 | negge | the reason for the temperature is because the computer is inside a pretty much seiled drawer |
| 18:35.22 | ewet | negge: you're sure it hangs or is it just unresponsive? |
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| 18:35.48 | _2 | on bios i have seen 50C is below the minimum setting for auto shutdown due to temp |
| 18:36.11 | _2 | ranges 60C-70C |
| 18:36.45 | scientes | how can i get apt-cacher to clear its cache |
| 18:36.51 | Gun_Smoke | Yamakiri, I see no reason why not to.. I always use encrypted LVM on my laptop.. |
| 18:36.58 | scientes | i keep getting stuck on *waiting for headers* |
| 18:37.09 | Yamakiri | okay Gun_Smoke thanks |
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| 18:37.37 | negge | ewet: I don't really know what happened but suddenly I couldn't ping my server anymore, I rebooted it and noticed that it didn't mount one of my harddrives and it didn't show up when I ran "fdisk -l", anyway I opened the door to the space where the computer is and ran fsck on the drives and now everything is back to normal for now |
| 18:38.14 | Yamakiri | Gun_Smoke: would you recommend encrypted or not? |
| 18:38.49 | Gun_Smoke | Yamakiri, well on my laptop, if it's ever lifted I don't worry as much.. |
| 18:39.51 | Yamakiri | Gun_Smoke: Well I was doing this install on a server |
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| 18:40.10 | Gun_Smoke | bolt it to the floor :) |
| 18:40.15 | Yamakiri | XD |
| 18:41.23 | Gun_Smoke | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
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| 18:42.01 | ewet | Yamakiri: it is said that encryption has some ressource overhead - nothing too bad though. I always encrypt my mobile and desktop systems. |
| 18:42.30 | Yamakiri | ahh so you'd recommend it? |
| 18:42.36 | Yamakiri | thanks for the link Gun_Smoke |
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| 18:42.47 | _2 | i wonder if there is any way to encript my hdd and still use linux on it... |
| 18:43.16 | zinx | sure, you can even use linux _to_ encrypt your hard drive |
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| 18:43.48 | Gun_Smoke | _2, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/428 |
| 18:43.48 | _2 | i mean still use the linux that is now on it, incase that wasn't clear |
| 18:44.00 | zinx | you can but it's trickier |
| 18:44.02 | luke177 | hello all |
| 18:44.04 | Gun_Smoke | as in encrypt a running system live? |
| 18:44.08 | Shadowcat | anyone here have experience with xeons? |
| 18:44.21 | zinx | and may involve getting extra space temporarily. |
| 18:44.23 | Shadowcat | specifically, I'm wondering if you can stick non-ecc ram into those boxes |
| 18:44.28 | _2 | Gun_Smoke special circumstances. no partitions |
| 18:44.42 | zinx | Shadowcat: ecc vs. non-ecc is a motherboard thing |
| 18:45.05 | Shadowcat | zinx: yeah |
| 18:45.08 | ewet | negge: just be aware that not every freeze is a system hung up. I have seldom seen kernel panics and most of the rest was possible to solve with magic system request keys. |
| 18:45.12 | Shadowcat | according to this pdf it supports non-ecc |
| 18:45.14 | enouf | well .. it's a RAM thing |
| 18:45.22 | Shadowcat | but I'm wondering if anyone's actually worked with these boxes |
| 18:45.31 | Shadowcat | don't want to sink that much money into something without a confirmation |
| 18:45.32 | hoxu | ##hardware |
| 18:45.32 | luke177 | has anybody already installed the new kernel 2.6.28 released by Linux Torvalds yesterday evening? |
| 18:45.47 | Shadowcat | hoxu: they're more consumer oriented... |
| 18:45.55 | Shadowcat | plus, it's gonna be a debian router, so |
| 18:46.01 | _2 | Linux Torvalds ? |
| 18:46.06 | luke177 | Linus Torvalds, sorry |
| 18:46.09 | _2 | :) |
| 18:46.37 | hoxu | luke177, no, not even Linus - it will raid your ginger bread jar and steal your chocolate |
| 18:46.40 | enouf | Shadowcat: xeons come in all shapes and sizes |
| 18:47.10 | Shadowcat | enouf: single core xeon |
| 18:47.18 | Shadowcat | basically, I'm just gonna build a box that can route traffic |
| 18:47.33 | Shadowcat | the only reason I'm getting a xeon in the first place is because I want x4 lanes |
| 18:47.39 | Shadowcat | and they don't have that in consumer space |
| 18:47.41 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 18:47.43 | luke177 | how long will it approx. take till it is available in a debian release? |
| 18:48.17 | enouf | Shadowcat: i picked up a Dellio xeon server at teh curbside not long ago - from win2k era .. still have yet to crack this phat boy open and check out what's in there |
| 18:48.27 | luke177 | Lenny will not be delivered with it? |
| 18:49.10 | Shadowcat | enouf: it's sad that I can't get a consumer motherboard with a couple of x4 lanes |
| 18:49.24 | Shadowcat | I mean server hardware is 10,000 more complicated than consumer hardware |
| 18:49.30 | Shadowcat | 10,000 times even |
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| 18:49.41 | enouf | oh yeah, weren't you asking about using a x4 card in a x16 slot? |
| 18:50.04 | Gun_Smoke | luke177, long time.. watch for it in sid in a couple months maybe? |
| 18:50.13 | Shadowcat | enouf: yes, I'm having a lot of fun with this |
| 18:50.55 | enouf | rock on then |
| 18:51.07 | Shadowcat | </sarcasm> |
| 18:51.09 | Shadowcat | should have added that |
| 18:51.35 | r3dd0 | whats with libapache2-mod-fastcgi under etch? |
| 18:51.45 | r3dd0 | "Package libapache2-mod-fastcgi is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
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| 18:53.31 | _2 | r3dd0 yep that's what i get too |
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| 18:54.49 | d0lphin_n0el | saint and good christmas :) |
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| 18:57.31 | valdyn | Shadowcat: there is x4 lines in comsumer boards |
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| 18:57.47 | dav- | is there a debian tool that can list out all the pkgs in the repository that contain a given file(name) ? |
| 18:58.11 | rue_mohr | apt-file |
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| 18:58.22 | rue_mohr | apt-file search libstupid.so |
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| 18:58.54 | dav- | rue_mohr: thx much. |
| 18:59.23 | rue_mohr | hey that brings up a good point, seeing as there are now like 30000000000 libraries out there, is there an index anywhere of what they all do so we can use them and thre isn't duplication? |
| 18:59.42 | valdyn | rue_mohr: nope |
| 18:59.51 | rue_mohr | strange that |
| 19:00.01 | Shadowcat | lol libstupid.so |
| 19:00.05 | Shadowcat | that was a good one |
| 19:00.16 | Shadowcat | it probably exists too |
| 19:00.25 | pif | rue_mohr: let that worry to debian developers |
| 19:00.28 | rue_mohr | :) if I'm making a program , how the heck am I supposed to know if there is a library out there that does most of the work for me? |
| 19:00.28 | _2 | rue_mohr sounds like a good project for you |
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| 19:00.58 | valdyn | rue_mohr: by figuring out what you want to do and then searching a suitable library |
| 19:01.00 | rue_mohr | nope no results for libstupid |
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| 19:01.23 | rue_mohr | sounds like how a person used to have to get applications |
| 19:01.23 | enouf | rue_mohr: something semi-close might be chkdupexe |
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| 19:02.06 | dav- | rue_mohr: these days i assume everything's already been implemented by someone else :) |
| 19:02.09 | _2 | rue_mohr i agree, so why don't you make a "lib_index" package that does exactly that |
| 19:02.13 | rue_mohr | seek out the source with the newest version, download, unpack, try to compile, go find dependencies, try to find the newest version, download, unpack, try to compile... |
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| 19:02.14 | enouf | bah, it's name based |
| 19:02.50 | valdyn | rue_mohr: what exactly is your point? this process is automated in linux distros |
| 19:03.09 | rue_mohr | well it needs to be kicked up a notch |
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| 19:03.34 | dav- | rue_mohr: i was looking for incremental encrypted remote backup without the ability to control the remote backup server.. you'd think that's pretty specific right? duplicity does exactly that.. |
| 19:03.48 | valdyn | apt-get magicall_do_what_i_want |
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| 19:04.15 | rue_mohr | apt-cache search foo|grep foo|less is beginning to bug me |
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| 19:04.47 | _2 | apt-get: syntax error, magicall_do_what_i_want is not an operation |
| 19:04.50 | rue_mohr | zippo:/files# apt-cache search lib|grep ^lib|wc -l |
| 19:04.50 | rue_mohr | 5511 |
| 19:05.04 | rue_mohr | wow |
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| 19:05.49 | _2 | apt-cache search -n ^lib |
| 19:06.04 | stoned | I am sick and tired of this bullshit |
| 19:06.15 | stoned | keep taking packages out at the wrong fucking times |
| 19:06.17 | rue_mohr | where? |
| 19:06.20 | stoned | kicks lenny in da nutz |
| 19:06.26 | stoned | =( |
| 19:07.26 | LoveGuru | love etch :/ |
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| 19:07.51 | stoned | I am irritated on a massive scale |
| 19:08.07 | stoned | I can't find a fucking corss platform language to use that actually doesn't suck balls |
| 19:08.08 | pif | don a santa suit and start shooting people |
| 19:08.23 | stoned | thats my biggest fucking irritance right now |
| 19:08.36 | pif | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/26/us/26Santa.html?hp |
| 19:08.54 | stoned | c# sucks balls, gtk# sucks balls fucking microsoft shit. Java sucks balls cuz, wel it just sucks balls. XUL is a stupid pointless childish pos. |
| 19:08.58 | stoned | Whats left? |
| 19:09.08 | pif | perl |
| 19:09.20 | go|dfish | Piet |
| 19:09.21 | stoned | seriously I'm about to go oldschool |
| 19:09.21 | rue_mohr | real C |
| 19:09.27 | stoned | real C |
| 19:09.28 | rue_mohr | brainfuck |
| 19:09.31 | brandon|home | heskell |
| 19:09.34 | stoned | don't even get me started on the problems of C |
| 19:09.37 | rue_mohr | cobol |
| 19:09.38 | stoned | brandon|home, you said it mon! |
| 19:09.43 | brandon|home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:09.49 | stoned | C is the most horrible language ever |
| 19:09.53 | rue_mohr | assembler, deal the with daemon itself |
| 19:09.57 | stoned | sure its the most prevalent, but it doesn't make it good |
| 19:10.07 | sajes | stoned: What's wrong with C? |
| 19:10.09 | stoned | just cuz its the most popular doesn't make it a good fuckin langauge |
| 19:10.19 | rue_mohr | C is pretty closely tied to machine, whats your problemw ith it? |
| 19:10.20 | brandon|home | heh, i think C is quite good for some things |
| 19:10.23 | stoned | sajes, are you a programmer with 16 years under his belt? |
| 19:10.30 | stoned | I can't get into all that right now |
| 19:10.31 | sajes | stoned: No, are you? |
| 19:10.33 | stoned | yes |
| 19:10.34 | stoned | I am |
| 19:10.38 | rue_mohr | I'v got more than 16 |
| 19:10.40 | stoned | I speak from experience not from bandwagons |
| 19:10.41 | zinx | C is not that bad :/ |
| 19:10.46 | pif | stoned: *puts unix beard on* what are you trying to do? |
| 19:11.01 | sajes | stoned: Bandwagons are often nice. Just have to get some nice shocks for it. |
| 19:11.02 | stoned | zinx, no its not really, but it really isn't universal as I was being told |
| 19:11.14 | zinx | if you think there's one language that works for everything, then those 16 years have taught you nothing ;) |
| 19:11.26 | stoned | zinx, not I, I was saying the same thing your'e sayig now |
| 19:11.32 | stoned | :) |
| 19:11.42 | rue_mohr | if you got 16 years, you know that language has nothing to do with writing your program |
| 19:11.45 | zinx | oh, i thought you were saying C is the most horrible language ever |
| 19:11.50 | rue_mohr | shoudl know that anyhow |
| 19:11.53 | stoned | rue_mohr, yes sometimes it does |
| 19:12.04 | rue_mohr | not if your good enough |
| 19:12.14 | stoned | well 16 years dont' make you good |
| 19:12.18 | stoned | they make you ok.. |
| 19:12.24 | zinx | i'm a big proponent of using the best tool for the job |
| 19:12.26 | stoned | 32 years make you good |
| 19:12.26 | go|dfish | C is great for text manipulation. |
| 19:12.35 | rue_mohr | if anything it gives you rut potential |
| 19:12.38 | zinx | stoned: no amount of years makes you good or bad. |
| 19:12.42 | Malf | stoned: I hear hammers are effective tools when dealing with computers |
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| 19:12.57 | rue_mohr | I like C because I know what the compiler is going to do with it |
| 19:13.15 | rue_mohr | suppose only someone with machine language origins can say that |
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| 19:13.22 | stoned | zinx, am trying to write a cross platform app that loads a list of mp3 recursively from a given top paretn dir, and readin tags or filenames whatever, it goes to musicbrainz and finishes the tag properly so files are well tagged |
| 19:13.26 | stoned | basically |
| 19:13.27 | zinx | stoned: you don't measure an artist by how many years they've been doing art ;) |
| 19:13.42 | stoned | zinx, true, but experience DOES count |
| 19:14.05 | rue_mohr | funny, I know someone who was finishing a program like that last week |
| 19:14.05 | zinx | stoned: python would work for that, if you know it. |
| 19:14.24 | brandon|home | yea, that's not a very Cish problem |
| 19:14.32 | zinx | stoned: and probably end up with the simplest-to-code variant |
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| 19:14.37 | rue_mohr | I could prolly write that in a day if motivated |
| 19:14.51 | zinx | a python programmer could probably write that in under an hour :/ |
| 19:15.01 | zinx | a bad one, even. |
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| 19:15.06 | rue_mohr | well, I didn't mean pure coding time |
| 19:15.13 | rue_mohr | I have to eat and watch tv you know |
| 19:15.17 | zinx | :P |
| 19:15.38 | zinx | (i mention python specificly because it already has musicbrainz bindings) |
| 19:15.45 | rue_mohr | its like quarter after 11 and i still havn't had breakfast |
| 19:15.48 | zinx | though it looks like perl does too |
| 19:16.02 | rue_mohr | for some reason I'm scroling through a list of 5511 libraries |
| 19:16.40 | rue_mohr | hmm I did port that from perl to C... huh |
| 19:16.44 | Tidus | Malf: a 12-gauge shotgun is an effective computer troubleshooting tool as well |
| 19:17.08 | Malf | Tidus: Thanks for the tip. I'll look into that next time I'm having issues. What kind of output does it give? |
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| 19:19.38 | Tidus | Malf: well if you're looking to fix the problem instead of making it worse... probably wont do anything for you |
| 19:19.51 | Tidus | Malf: it gives the output of a giant size hole in the case and broken parts |
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| 19:20.37 | Malf | Tidus: That sounds pretty good. I like to break a problem down into smaller pieces before trying to solve it anyway. |
| 19:20.39 | rue_mohr | while I'm in this list of libraries |
| 19:20.48 | Tidus | heh |
| 19:20.53 | rue_mohr | libid3-3.8.3-dev - ID3 Tag Library: Development Libraries and Header Files. |
| 19:20.54 | rue_mohr | libid3-3.8.3c2a - Library for manipulating ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags. |
| 19:20.54 | rue_mohr | libid3tag0 - ID3 tag reading library from the MAD project |
| 19:20.54 | rue_mohr | libid3tag0-dev - ID3 tag reading library from the MAD project |
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| 19:21.07 | _2 | what are some good packages for wireless setup/control/monitoring ? |
| 19:21.10 | rue_mohr | pff, 4 lines! |
| 19:21.15 | rue_mohr | did you get all 4? |
| 19:21.19 | Tidus | rue_mohr: pastebin.com = good. flooding in chan = bad |
| 19:21.34 | zinx | rue_mohr: better try again! (yes, but it's funny seeing you get kicked) |
| 19:21.41 | rue_mohr | well did you get all 4 of not and I'll put them in pastebin |
| 19:21.52 | _2 | rue_mohr two is a flood in #ubuntu |
| 19:21.54 | Tidus | _2: NetworkManager works quite well for that purpose |
| 19:22.15 | zinx | 2 is a flood here too, but the bots kick on 3. |
| 19:22.24 | rue_mohr | I just hate pastebin cause their deftly slow |
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| 19:22.29 | _2 | Tidus k |
| 19:22.43 | Tidus | _2: it's essentially a drop in replacement for the interfaces file, functionality is similar to the 'zero config' Windows utility |
| 19:22.45 | zinx | even one line is a flood here, depending on the line :P |
| 19:22.55 | enouf | rue_mohr: not when you use a perl script to upload :-p |
| 19:23.06 | _2 | Tidus is that the package name ? |
| 19:23.23 | enouf | check out wicd as well |
| 19:23.36 | enouf | !info wicd sid |
| 19:23.45 | zinx | wicd >>>>> network-manager |
| 19:23.59 | dpkg | wicd: (wired and wireless network manager), section net, is optional. Version: 1.5.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 228 kB, Installed size: 1156 kB |
| 19:24.01 | rue_mohr | the popular paste sites are just wrecked |
| 19:24.06 | rue_mohr | someone needs to go clear them out |
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| 19:24.11 | zinx | rue_mohr: sh.nu/p |
| 19:24.12 | Tidus | _2: yes |
| 19:24.13 | _2 | etch here |
| 19:24.18 | rue_mohr | I had one day were 4 of them were full |
| 19:24.22 | enouf | maybe i should've used s/sid/unstable |
| 19:24.34 | rue_mohr | http://www.pastebin.ca/1293561 <- every id3 library |
| 19:24.43 | Tidus | i haven't used wicd, might give that one a look as well |
| 19:24.59 | enouf | judd: versions wicd |
| 19:25.00 | judd | enouf: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.7-1 |
| 19:25.06 | enouf | oh well |
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| 19:25.16 | enouf | backport the sucker :-p |
| 19:25.22 | stoned | back |
| 19:25.39 | stoned | zinx, I had been considering python |
| 19:25.43 | stoned | but I dunno man |
| 19:25.44 | enouf | stoned: wipe santa's eggnog off your face O_o |
| 19:25.46 | _2 | i probably want to use k3b for burning dvd/cd what for ripping ? |
| 19:25.58 | stoned | enouf, wipe your gf's spooge off YOUR face! |
| 19:26.00 | stoned | ooooh burn! |
| 19:26.13 | dios_mio | does debian come with GNOME or KDE? |
| 19:26.20 | schme_ | dios_mio: Yes. |
| 19:26.20 | zinx | stoned: i'm not a big fan of python... but for an app that simple? i think i'd just use whatever got it done fastest. |
| 19:26.22 | stoned | dios_mio, wht do you want it to come with? |
| 19:26.23 | enouf | stoned: ;-) |
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| 19:26.42 | stoned | schme_, that was a stupid asnwer ;) |
| 19:26.55 | schme_ | stoned: Well it was a stupid question. |
| 19:26.59 | stoned | no it wasn't. |
| 19:27.07 | schme_ | I beg to differ. |
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| 19:27.13 | Python1320 | lol |
| 19:27.17 | stoned | he asked if it came with gnome or kde, your asnwer was 'yes' |
| 19:27.22 | stoned | which made no fucking sense whatsoever |
| 19:27.27 | pif | debian doesn't "come" |
| 19:27.29 | dios_mio | I installed debian yesterday and its grub failed to load, so i installed again with lilo this time and then I was left with a 500 mb install.. it had nothing, so I went back to slackware |
| 19:27.30 | _2 | dios_mio the install cd has gnome on it, both are avalable |
| 19:27.33 | schme_ | stoned: Right, it makes total sense. |
| 19:27.40 | stoned | schme_, no it does not. |
| 19:27.46 | enouf | ... |
| 19:27.57 | stoned | Q: "Does X come with A or B?" A: "Yes." |
| 19:28.03 | schme_ | stoned: Yes, it comes with whatever you like of those two. |
| 19:28.04 | stoned | you don't see anything wrong with that? |
| 19:28.07 | _2 | schme_ i agree yes it comes with gnome or kde |
| 19:28.08 | stoned | lol |
| 19:28.10 | schme_ | stoned: No, nothing. |
| 19:28.18 | schme_ | _2: How is the video card working out? |
| 19:28.21 | enouf | schme_: neither |
| 19:28.25 | pif | gnome doesn't make debian "come" |
| 19:28.25 | stoned | no the answer is either gnome, or either kde, or both or neither. |
| 19:28.32 | dios_mio | schme_, well my debian installer asked me if I want "desktop environemnt"... didnt ask me which one |
| 19:28.32 | stoned | it wasn't a yes or no question |
| 19:28.49 | schme_ | dios_mio: Hoh. When on earth did it start doing that? |
| 19:28.50 | enouf | which debian installer? |
| 19:28.50 | stoned | dios_mio, skip that stage |
| 19:29.05 | dios_mio | enouf, the official one |
| 19:29.06 | schme_ | dios_mio: Just say No. |
| 19:29.09 | _2 | dios_mio and came in here to rant about it i gather |
| 19:29.16 | enouf | the kde cd1 isn't official? |
| 19:29.28 | _2 | schme_ fine, i haven't started xorg sense we last talked |
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| 19:29.31 | schme_ | My god debian is going downhill. |
| 19:29.31 | dios_mio | schme_, well I said no, and had a "standard system" only and that comes with nothing at all.. 500 mb install.. not even an irc client |
| 19:29.40 | schme_ | dios_mio: Sounds perfect. |
| 19:29.44 | stoned | you can't say yes to a question that wasn't a yes/no question to begin with. Its like me asking, how do I install debian? and you reply , "yes" |
| 19:29.47 | stoned | it makes no sense. |
| 19:29.54 | dios_mio | _2, well I spent around 3 hours to debian last night and I was disappointed |
| 19:30.05 | enouf | stoned: move on my friend .. |
| 19:30.14 | stoned | moving on |
| 19:30.26 | schme_ | dios_mio: Why would you want an irc client in a base system anyway? |
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| 19:30.34 | stoned | schme_, why do you care why? |
| 19:30.40 | stoned | seriously |
| 19:30.41 | dios_mio | schme_, so I could come here and complain :P |
| 19:30.54 | stoned | dios_mio, skip tasksel |
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| 19:30.59 | zleap1 | hi |
| 19:31.02 | stoned | dios_mio, skip software selection screen and select nothing |
| 19:31.08 | _2 | dios_mio glad you are not disappointed with slackware, no stop trolling |
| 19:31.08 | _2 | :) |
| 19:31.23 | stoned | dios_mio, you can install software later, if you select the desktop-base task it will give you ALL 3 desktops |
| 19:31.24 | zleap1 | i thought tasksel was a slackware think |
| 19:31.29 | stoned | kde/gnome/xfce |
| 19:31.36 | dios_mio | _2, slackware install is much easier and logical... besides grub doesnt work.. why use grub anyway? |
| 19:31.44 | schme_ | stoned: Care about what? I'm just amused by the fact that someone considers an irc client something that should go into a base system. |
| 19:31.47 | schme_ | dios_mio: Good enough. |
| 19:31.49 | stoned | dios_mio, this is #debian, please only discuss #debian |
| 19:32.02 | stoned | schme_, so let em think that. |
| 19:32.03 | dios_mio | stoned, grub didnt work |
| 19:32.10 | _2 | schme_ even the most minimal linux install should have an irc client, and web browser, so one can find information and ask for help if they need it. |
| 19:32.13 | stoned | schme_, did it grub quit its job? |
| 19:32.15 | schme_ | stoned: I am, I'm just asking why. |
| 19:32.22 | schme_ | stoned: ? |
| 19:32.25 | stoned | schme_, grub get fird? |
| 19:32.29 | stoned | !doesn't work |
| 19:32.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:32.38 | schme_ | stoned: I have no idea what you are talking about there. |
| 19:32.43 | stoned | schme_, then don't bother. |
| 19:32.49 | schme_ | _2: That is, imo, insane dumb. |
| 19:32.55 | stoned | dios_mio, what didn't work? |
| 19:33.03 | dios_mio | stoned, well grub was installed on MBR, but it didnt boot either debian or windows |
| 19:33.10 | schme_ | stoned: Right. ok. I ask about irc, you tell me about grub ? |
| 19:33.14 | dios_mio | stoned, said no "no such partition" |
| 19:33.17 | stoned | so is the correct boot device selected? |
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| 19:33.23 | stoned | hard drive boot order is correct in bios? |
| 19:33.29 | _2 | schme_ i see that our openions differ. cheers |
| 19:33.36 | schme_ | _2: Sweet. |
| 19:33.40 | dios_mio | stoned, I assume so because grub didn't let me choose any settings.. the installer was doing things itself |
| 19:33.51 | stoned | schme_, I'm not talkint igo you. Please either decide to follow to conversation or stfu. |
| 19:33.54 | enouf | stoned: don't bother .. not worth it .. Merry Ho Ho Ho! |
| 19:33.55 | schme_ | _2: I don't even have a web browser on half the systems here. |
| 19:34.05 | zleap1 | lynx |
| 19:34.09 | stoned | enouf, I'm just trying to help |
| 19:34.10 | zleap1 | thats a console browser |
| 19:34.11 | schme_ | stoned: So why are you directing your questions to me? |
| 19:34.12 | stoned | as always |
| 19:34.19 | stoned | schme_, stop. |
| 19:34.24 | stoned | schme_, do not address me anymore. |
| 19:34.42 | schme_ | stoned: 20:32 < stoned> schme_, did it grub quit its job? <-- ya I see how you are not talking to me. |
| 19:34.48 | Malf | dios_mio: Any time I've had a problem with multiple drives/grub has been when the jumpers were set in a conflicting way to begin with |
| 19:34.50 | dios_mio | stoned, I have windows in IDE1 MAster and debian on IDE1 Slave, and installed Grub on IDE1 Slave because that has the boot priority in BIOS.. so Grub menu comes up, but will not boot either OS, says "no such partition" |
| 19:34.53 | _2 | schme_ you don't have w3m ? or lynx ? tisk tisk... |
| 19:34.54 | enouf | you can both choose /ig ... or i'll have dpkg marry you ! :-p |
| 19:35.07 | schme_ | _2: On a lot of systems I see no need for 'em. |
| 19:35.09 | dios_mio | Malf, well LILO works with no problems.. I guess grub is just lame |
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| 19:35.47 | Malf | dios_mio: I have essentially the same setup as you do right now and it works with grub without issue, running from the base configuration grub gave me so at least it's only occasionally lame... |
| 19:36.00 | Malf | dios_mio: Actually I'm a liar sorry |
| 19:36.07 | dios_mio | heh |
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| 19:36.23 | stoned | schme_, if you followed along with the conversation you would have seen that I had accidentally addressed you. If you didnt' have anything to do with grub, why are you bothering to start a fight about it? |
| 19:36.25 | Malf | dios_mio: I have it swapped where the grub drive is primary and it is set up in grub to make windows think it's on the primary when it starts windows |
| 19:36.27 | stoned | just fucking let it go. |
| 19:36.28 | _2 | schme_ can't google the answer to a problem without some way to reach google |
| 19:36.42 | Malf | dios_mio: So I essentially had to swap the drives to make that setup work when I did it 2 years ago or so |
| 19:36.44 | _2 | schme_ that's reason enough for me. |
| 19:36.49 | dios_mio | besides Debian installer doesn't let me pick for other OS'es on my system to have them in /etc/fstab... slackware has that, and it is very handy |
| 19:37.03 | dios_mio | Malf, LILO works smoothly |
| 19:37.04 | Malf | dios_mio: Then again lilo wasn't working either |
| 19:37.11 | Malf | *nod* |
| 19:37.19 | schme_ | stoned: I have no idea how you are interpreting this good natured conversation as a fight. But that is ok, maybe lay down the pipe for a bit, eh? |
| 19:37.35 | stoned | see that was uncalled for. |
| 19:37.42 | stoned | THAT remark about the pipe... |
| 19:37.47 | schme_ | stoned: ... |
| 19:37.49 | stoned | then you say its a good natured conver. |
| 19:37.57 | schme_ | stoned: It is. I say the same thing to people all the time. |
| 19:38.06 | schme_ | stoned: Like I call my mates buttfucks, etc. |
| 19:38.19 | schme_ | _2: Ya that makes sense, I just say I find it a dumb thing for a base system :) |
| 19:38.24 | nullboy | how about you both put the bongs away |
| 19:38.30 | schme_ | nullboy: Never. |
| 19:38.46 | stoned | if you had said it to the wrong guy in real life, your face would have been beated to a bloody pulp by now. On irc, its ok, in real life, be careful. |
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| 19:39.02 | schme_ | stoned: Hahaha. I see you have no idea how often I say that irl ;) |
| 19:39.18 | stoned | eitherway, I asked you to stop, you won't |
| 19:39.21 | enouf | dios_mio: no probs booting hdd1 here |
| 19:39.22 | stoned | welcoem to /ignore |
| 19:39.29 | stoned | 02:38 Ignoring ALL from schme_ |
| 19:39.42 | schme_ | stoned: nor how ofter I get beaten to a bloody pulp ;) |
| 19:39.53 | stoned | enouf, how did you install grub? why is lilo on your system alongside grub? |
| 19:39.54 | dios_mio | eonuf, well I was kinda disappointed with debian |
| 19:39.55 | enouf | !marry someone! |
| 19:40.10 | stoned | dios_mio, debian is indeed a huge disappointment |
| 19:40.19 | stoned | (for the lazy people) |
| 19:40.23 | enouf | stoned: LiLo isn't on my system alongside anything |
| 19:40.36 | stoned | enouf, then obviously I'm not talking to you am I |
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| 19:40.43 | stoned | old man walkin |
| 19:40.47 | stoned | just siddown man |
| 19:40.50 | stoned | just go siddown |
| 19:40.52 | stoned | or soemthing |
| 19:41.03 | stoned | and DO NOT tell me about enter |
| 19:41.07 | dios_mio | why do people get stoned and come here? |
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| 19:41.11 | daf999 | When I am in the terminal, how can I add a NULL character in vi to a text file? |
| 19:41.25 | stoned | daf999, null char |
| 19:41.28 | zinx | ctrl-@? |
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| 19:42.09 | schme_ | dios_mio: Good question. There are sweeter things to do while stoned :) |
| 19:42.31 | daf999 | doesnt work.. |
| 19:42.36 | dios_mio | schme_, I think getting stoned is stupid |
| 19:42.36 | enouf | dios_mio: that's ok - i'm constantly disappointed by people .. especially users |
| 19:42.52 | daf999 | tnx |
| 19:43.05 | schme_ | dios_mio: Though I can agree with you that debian is turning into a bit of a dissapointment. The new installe is horrendous :) |
| 19:43.18 | enouf | and website devs .. and asshats that use flashcrapooshit.. and .. and ... |
| 19:43.20 | dios_mio | schme_ yes |
| 19:43.36 | stoned | enouf, ey! |
| 19:43.39 | stoned | enouf, flash is ok |
| 19:43.40 | schme_ | I liked it when it was just dselect. |
| 19:43.57 | mutt- | I would appreciate if anyone would be able to help me, somehow I've managed to mess up my repos... I've googled errors but it turned up nothing relevant. It looks like something simple I'm overlooking... |
| 19:43.58 | stoned | enouf, there is nothing wrong with flash. There is however something wrong with people who design entire websites in flash. |
| 19:44.09 | stoned | enouf, don't blame the technology, blame the moron who can't use it right |
| 19:44.24 | mutt- | on lenny |
| 19:44.33 | stoned | mutt-, pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:44.39 | mutt- | k |
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| 19:45.10 | enouf | stoned: i blame it all - but people are the proliferators of the sucky tech, activeX, shockthemonkeyshit toilet-faced users |
| 19:45.23 | stoned | hey |
| 19:45.27 | stoned | shock the what? |
| 19:45.34 | stoned | the ozzy osbourne song? |
| 19:45.40 | stoned | with coal chamber? shock the monkey |
| 19:45.45 | zinx | stoned: there are a lot of things wrong with flash other than people using it for things they shouldn't :/ |
| 19:45.56 | stoned | zinx, I'm all ears buddy |
| 19:46.03 | mutt- | stoned: http://pastebin.ca/1293573 |
| 19:46.17 | stoned | mutt-, now, what do you think you messed up? |
| 19:46.23 | simonrvn | stoned: how about you give some of those ears back? |
| 19:46.28 | stoned | youc an comment out the deb cdrom line |
| 19:46.33 | stoned | for one |
| 19:46.34 | mutt- | Well using synaptic I can't install any files |
| 19:46.35 | stoned | simonrvn, :) |
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| 19:46.42 | stoned | mutt-, for now don't use synaptic |
| 19:46.50 | stoned | mutt-, do what I said |
| 19:46.53 | mutt- | k |
| 19:47.05 | stoned | mutt-, you can also comment out the deb-src lines |
| 19:47.10 | stoned | you don't need them |
| 19:47.19 | mutt- | k |
| 19:47.25 | stoned | mutt-, then apt-get update |
| 19:47.40 | stoned | mutt-, then synaptic should hopefully be ok, cuz I'm thinking its reading cdrom first |
| 19:47.59 | stoned | although synaptic uses apt-get and I would actually use aptitude itself |
| 19:48.04 | _2 | ok i'm finished for today. maybe back tomarrow to work on the vidio card and wifi some more. gooday gents and good luck to your pinguin |
| 19:48.11 | stoned | not synaptic, kynaptic, kpackage, adept or whatever |
| 19:48.36 | mutt- | K it's updating |
| 19:48.48 | mutt- | It had worked flawlessly up until a few days ago then nothing worked |
| 19:49.17 | stoned | sometimes linux systems get possessed by beings from another dimension |
| 19:49.38 | stoned | for example di dyou know that your linux system has a bunch of little demons running around in it? |
| 19:49.49 | stoned | thats pretty cool isn't it? |
| 19:49.53 | mutt- | I thought they were daemons :p |
| 19:49.56 | stoned | ;) |
| 19:50.05 | stoned | demon works better for comic effect |
| 19:50.12 | mutt- | I'm still pretty new to this |
| 19:50.24 | zinx | mine has gnomes in it |
| 19:50.29 | mutt- | Ew gnomes |
| 19:50.56 | sajes | SpongeBob: Where's Patrick? |
| 19:51.11 | stoned | SquareBob SpongePants |
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| 19:51.51 | mutt- | stoned: the problem seems to persist in synaptic |
| 19:51.54 | rue_mohr | interestingly enough there are no CSV libraries |
| 19:52.05 | stoned | mutt-, check synaptic bug reports on bts |
| 19:52.06 | mutt- | All packages lack descriptions and none of them are installable etc. |
| 19:52.09 | stoned | mutt-, /msg dpkg bt |
| 19:52.12 | stoned | bts |
| 19:52.15 | rue_mohr | well there are 3 for perl that dosn't count |
| 19:52.36 | stoned | rue_mohr, to do what? |
| 19:52.42 | stoned | rue_mohr, read/write to csv? |
| 19:52.49 | rue_mohr | open access write close |
| 19:53.04 | stoned | er.. whoops |
| 19:53.07 | stoned | rue_mohr, what what languages |
| 19:53.11 | rue_mohr | I know its piffle thats not the point |
| 19:53.19 | rue_mohr | C |
| 19:53.25 | stoned | are you serious.. |
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| 19:53.38 | rue_mohr | well I'd paste the results, but... |
| 19:53.44 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.47 | rue_mohr | see for youself |
| 19:54.00 | stoned | you can't make a write to csv function($value,$delimiter,$seperator) |
| 19:54.03 | stoned | and write the csv |
| 19:54.06 | rue_mohr | of course I can |
| 19:54.08 | stoned | its a simple comma seperated value |
| 19:54.10 | rue_mohr | not the point |
| 19:54.21 | rue_mohr | out of 5511 libraries, there are none for csv |
| 19:54.53 | stoned | rue_mohr, so make mone! |
| 19:54.53 | stoned | one! |
| 19:54.53 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 19:54.54 | rue_mohr | haha, talking about indexing work, I think I already have haha |
| 19:54.54 | mutt- | stoned: I don't believe I can install anything from the command line either... |
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| 19:55.45 | stoned | I don't belive in believing |
| 19:55.45 | stoned | I need proof |
| 19:55.45 | mutt- | k |
| 19:55.45 | rue_mohr | wait, what |
| 19:55.45 | stoned | pastebin everything |
| 19:55.45 | rue_mohr | dont believe in believing... |
| 19:55.46 | mutt- | stone everything as in the output of? |
| 19:55.47 | rue_mohr | I think you need proof in belief |
| 19:55.57 | stoned | mutt-, when you try to install something |
| 19:56.03 | rue_mohr | stoned, ok, to do this, you need a cat, and a box |
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| 19:56.05 | stoned | mutt-, cli, not gui |
| 19:56.06 | mutt- | k |
| 19:56.11 | rue_mohr | the box cant have any holes... |
| 19:56.23 | Tekno | hello, what rdp client do you recommend |
| 19:56.34 | rue_mohr | wait, this might work with your fridge, if the light works |
| 19:56.40 | stoned | rue_mohr, there is a support dicussion going on right now, you can direct your offtopic chatter to #debian-chat or wait until I've helped mutt- |
| 19:56.49 | stoned | Tekno, anyone of em |
| 19:57.00 | stoned | Tekno, install rdesktop and have at it |
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| 19:57.13 | Tekno | does rdesktop have gui ? |
| 19:57.19 | Tekno | i didn |
| 19:57.24 | stoned | Tekno, there are frontends available in gnome and kde |
| 19:57.24 | Tekno | t find gui for it |
| 19:57.30 | stoned | Tekno, you need no gui |
| 19:57.32 | Tekno | can you name one |
| 19:57.32 | stoned | man rdesktop |
| 19:57.35 | stoned | its very easy |
| 19:57.43 | stoned | very very easy |
| 19:57.47 | stoned | trivial even |
| 19:57.57 | mutt- | http://pastebin.ca/1293578 |
| 19:58.03 | Malf | Tekno: I use the terminal server client in gnome (tsclient) |
| 19:58.12 | Tekno | does it support rdp ? |
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| 20:09.41 | Yamakiri | uh oh |
| 20:09.41 | Yamakiri | bug netsplit |
| 20:09.41 | Yamakiri | *big |
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| 20:13.34 | miksuh | yes |
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| 20:13.40 | fanta-muzz | miksuh: make-kpkg? :) |
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| 20:13.41 | miksuh | fanta-muzz: .24 kernel is in the etch offic ial repository,. just install it using synaptic or apt-get/aptitude |
| 20:13.49 | miksuh | 2.6.24 |
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| 20:14.36 | fanta-muzz | miksuh: huh |
| 20:14.36 | fanta-muzz | it was a bit scary... it almost splitted me :..( |
| 20:14.36 | fanta-muzz | miksuh: didn't know that, thank you very much! |
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| 20:14.36 | miksuh | yep, looked like big split :) |
| 20:14.36 | fanta-muzz | miksuh: now see it in repository, lol. Have no idea how I missed it before... |
| 20:14.36 | miksuh | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image+2.6.24&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 20:16.28 | fanta-muzz | linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 - Linux 2.6.24 image on x86 |
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| 20:16.29 | miksuh | fanta-muzz: heh |
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| 20:17.28 | miksuh | damn, internet is really broken now :) |
| 20:17.28 | miksuh | split again |
| 20:17.28 | stoned | awww enouf isn't here |
| 20:17.29 | stoned | there are irc netsplits going on? |
| 20:17.29 | stoned | right now!? |
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| 20:17.29 | stoned | 03:09 1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
| 20:17.29 | stoned | I ignore all this so I never see anything but people chat |
| 20:17.30 | stoned | I have the cleanest IRC ever, with nothing except people chat |
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| 20:17.30 | Yamakiri | is disconnecting because firefox is almost crashing each netsplit |
| 20:17.31 | mutt- | Heh well I've had to scroll up more than once to see what you said because of a netsplit :p |
| 20:17.31 | stoned | heh, I never have to worry about thyat |
| 20:17.31 | stoned | let me show you |
| 20:17.31 | mutt- | I know what it looks like :p |
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| 20:17.31 | mutt- | I just haven't gotten around to getting this client how I like it yet |
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| 20:17.32 | stoned | yo |
| 20:17.32 | stoned | http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/irssi.shot.jpg |
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| 20:17.32 | stoned | lookit |
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| 20:17.32 | mutt- | It says you're trying to trick me =x |
| 20:17.33 | stoned | what? |
| 20:17.33 | mutt- | Says something about the link and it may be an attempt to trick me :p |
| 20:17.33 | stoned | lookI'll show a longer shot |
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| 20:17.33 | stoned | http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/irssi.shot.jpg <-- refresh this link, I just redid the screenshot |
| 20:17.33 | stoned | mutt-, and your browser sucks |
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| 20:17.34 | stoned | mutt-, how can a link to a .jpg file trick you? |
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| 20:17.34 | mutt- | nice dude |
| 20:17.34 | mutt- | it's default iceweasel dude |
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| 20:17.35 | mutt- | wow wait that's not the link you posted |
| 20:17.35 | stoned | my irc kicks more ass than any other irc combined |
| 20:17.35 | mutt- | did I just get injected >_> |
| 20:17.35 | stoned | 03:11 < stoned> http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/irssi.shot.jpg |
| 20:17.35 | stoned | 03:13 < stoned> http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/irssi.shot.jpg <-- refresh this link, I just redid the screenshot |
| 20:17.35 | mutt- | yeah that wasn't what pasted |
| 20:17.35 | stoned | both times just 1 link |
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| 20:17.36 | stoned | mutt-, looks like your entire system is shot |
| 20:17.36 | mutt- | vunderful |
| 20:17.36 | stoned | mutt-, back your data and reinstall |
| 20:17.36 | mutt- | I was planning to do that |
| 20:17.36 | mutt- | but I didn't get my flashdrive I needed to backup home on :p |
| 20:17.36 | stoned | ? |
| 20:17.36 | stoned | your /home is not a sep. part? |
| 20:17.40 | mutt- | no |
| 20:17.45 | stoned | 'tard! |
| 20:17.48 | stoned | poitns and laughs |
| 20:17.54 | mutt- | It told me that was best for beginners D: |
| 20:17.56 | mutt- | I trusted eet! |
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| 20:17.58 | stoned | :) |
| 20:18.00 | stoned | j/k |
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| 20:18.15 | stoned | !tell mutt- -about ig |
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| 20:18.53 | mutt- | eh I've already got my copy of Etch burned it's r4 I think |
| 20:18.57 | melfar | Is anybody interested to Apple's Server Status dashboard widget (on Mac OS X) on a Debian server using a patch I've made? |
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| 20:19.05 | melfar | to=to test |
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| 20:20.11 | mutt- | stoned, is r4 adaquete to use? |
| 20:20.19 | stoned | absolutely |
| 20:20.34 | mutt- | k |
| 20:20.44 | mutt- | Now what about upgrading from etch to lenny? |
| 20:20.52 | mutt- | Still solid or should I not do that? |
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| 20:21.00 | stoned | it *should* go ok |
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| 20:21.11 | stoned | if it doesn't its a pretty serious bug |
| 20:21.18 | stoned | !rc bugs |
| 20:21.18 | mutt- | Do you think my system is the result of fowl play? |
| 20:21.18 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 20:21.26 | stoned | mutt-, can't say |
| 20:21.34 | stoned | I don't have enough information |
| 20:21.40 | mutt- | The weird link that just showed up was weird |
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| 20:21.52 | mutt- | it was specifying usernames and passwords and had an ip rather than domain |
| 20:22.25 | LoveGuru | Hello, And Merry Christmas to all, I Wanna Know that "debian" support "ebox" or "webmin" ? thank |
| 20:22.40 | stoned | no webmin is supported here |
| 20:22.41 | stoned | !webmin |
| 20:22.42 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 20:22.48 | stoned | what is ebox? I have no idea |
| 20:23.39 | mutt- | Er thanks for your help stoned |
| 20:23.51 | mutt- | I guess I'll find a way to backup home etc and reinstall |
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| 20:24.10 | mutt- | stoned is there some reason why I wouldn't put /home on a separate partition? |
| 20:24.21 | meyou- | so i made a cron job to run ntpdate every day at 3am |
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| 20:24.46 | sajes | meyou-: Why? |
| 20:25.05 | meyou- | says command not found |
| 20:25.25 | meyou- | i did crontab -e as root to set it up |
| 20:25.29 | meyou- | shouldn't the job run as root then? |
| 20:25.38 | sajes | meyou-: Did you install ntpdate? |
| 20:25.43 | meyou- | yeah |
| 20:25.51 | meyou- | i can run it, as root, without issue |
| 20:25.52 | LoveGuru | ahh |
| 20:26.03 | LoveGuru | Well *webmin* are not supported in debian? |
| 20:26.18 | mutt- | Halp |
| 20:26.30 | meyou- | also, the e-mail reporting the problem comes into my regular user's mailbox not root |
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| 20:27.05 | sajes | meyou-: do crontab -e as your user account and see if it shows in there. |
| 20:27.22 | meyou- | nope |
| 20:27.26 | meyou- | but as root it's there: |
| 20:27.27 | meyou- | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 20:27.27 | meyou- | 0 3 * * * ntpdate -s pool.ntp.org |
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| 20:28.14 | Yamakiri_ | ugh the netsplits are finally over |
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| 20:28.33 | sajes | meyou-: do 'which ntpdate' |
| 20:28.43 | nsadmin | LoveGuru: webmin is considered harmful by some people, perhaps they've been able to yell louder... one thing they say is "people who aren't admins shouldn't even touch it at all"... I'm guessing they're worried about their jobs |
| 20:28.49 | meyou- | jokkito:~# which ntpdate |
| 20:28.59 | meyou- | oh |
| 20:29.02 | meyou- | /usr/sbin/ntpdate |
| 20:29.32 | sajes | meyou-: Sorry then, I don't know :o. It looks like everything is as it should be. |
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| 20:30.12 | meyou- | bugger |
| 20:30.35 | nsadmin | meyou- do you understand what the variable $PATH is for? |
| 20:30.51 | meyou- | ya |
| 20:30.58 | meyou- | ah |
| 20:31.01 | meyou- | i see where you're going |
| 20:31.16 | nsadmin | ohshit! |
| 20:31.18 | LoveGuru | nsadmin: thankyou, well then i have to understand/configure by terminal |
| 20:31.23 | nsadmin | turns off the camera |
| 20:31.42 | meyou- | new cronjob |
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| 20:31.44 | meyou- | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 20:31.44 | meyou- | 35 12 * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate -s pool.ntp.org |
| 20:31.52 | meyou- | ? :D |
| 20:33.00 | mutt- | Is there some reason why I wouldn't put /home on a separate partition? |
| 20:33.14 | nsadmin | in fact that's recommended |
| 20:33.19 | simonrvn | why not? :) |
| 20:33.41 | mutt- | Right |
| 20:33.50 | nsadmin | I guess you wouldn't do it if you only have a single partition |
| 20:33.53 | mutt- | but the installer says if you're a beginner to go with all on one partition |
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| 20:34.21 | mutt- | Is there some reason for that? I would classify myself a beginner so I wasn't sure |
| 20:34.33 | meyou- | the only reason not is if it would give you less space in some other partition where you're going to need it |
| 20:34.38 | meyou- | usually that's not the case |
| 20:34.57 | nsadmin | perhaps it's considered hard for a beginner to understand multipartition setups |
| 20:35.03 | mutt- | I need a new computer >> |
| 20:35.21 | mutt- | Well if it's seamless it shouldn't matter to th user right? |
| 20:35.26 | nsadmin | time to go dumpster diving :) |
| 20:35.33 | stoned | mutt-, have you read the debian install guide? |
| 20:35.46 | mutt- | *blink* when did you get back? |
| 20:35.49 | nsadmin | mutt-: right... a user would probably never know |
| 20:35.59 | stoned | if you have not read it, there is no reason for you to be here chit chatting |
| 20:36.06 | stoned | go read the debian install guide. |
| 20:36.28 | mutt- | k |
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| 20:36.46 | stoned | knowledge only comes from reading |
| 20:37.01 | nsadmin | oh, bullshit :P |
| 20:37.04 | stoned | the more you know about something, the better you can use it. |
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| 20:37.19 | nsadmin | that's true, but reading is not the only source |
| 20:37.21 | mutt- | Do I need to read this from beginning to end? |
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| 20:37.28 | nsadmin | no |
| 20:37.33 | stoned | mutt-, sure |
| 20:37.38 | stoned | mutt-, that will only help more |
| 20:37.39 | nsadmin | read to answer the questions you have |
| 20:37.51 | stoned | nsadmin, don't advise him to take the short way out |
| 20:37.52 | mutt- | I like nsadmin's answer better |
| 20:38.08 | stoned | fine, then nsadmin can support you all day long. I'm done. |
| 20:38.11 | stoned | Good day gentlemen. |
| 20:38.20 | nsadmin | stoned: normally I'd agree... but his time is his |
| 20:38.23 | mutt- | Merry Christmas :) |
| 20:38.28 | nsadmin | and I'm not promising support here |
| 20:38.46 | stoned | then don't fucking advise people to take the shot/easy way out |
| 20:38.52 | stoned | let him read so he can know things. |
| 20:38.58 | mutt- | The documentation is incredibly long and detailed which is great, but every user can't be expected to read that :p |
| 20:39.13 | stoned | mutt-, yes, we do expect you to read it |
| 20:39.19 | stoned | mutt-, you think we wrote this for fun/ |
| 20:39.24 | stoned | we wrote it FOR users. |
| 20:39.31 | nsadmin | then your first read should be to discover the document's structure |
| 20:39.40 | mutt- | Then can you make a condensed version :p |
| 20:39.50 | stoned | mutt-, or you can learn to read |
| 20:39.55 | mutt- | stoned, right but not from cover to cover but on an as need basis yes? |
| 20:40.06 | stoned | reading technical documentation and help files is an acquired skill |
| 20:40.18 | stoned | it takes time and most importantly patience to develop |
| 20:40.23 | nsadmin | it's pretty obvious that you won't need every word... example, you're probably not doing raid right now |
| 20:40.34 | mutt- | heh... |
| 20:40.34 | nsadmin | you probably don't have floppies or even a floppy drive |
| 20:40.35 | stoned | that is a fantastic attitude to have |
| 20:40.36 | mutt- | I was at one time :p |
| 20:40.43 | stoned | I wish you gusy the best of everything in your little linux lives. |
| 20:40.59 | mutt- | Are you upset? |
| 20:41.08 | nsadmin | I will be gusy... err gutsy... |
| 20:41.13 | stoned | upset, no. Pitiying you? yes. |
| 20:41.15 | stoned | :) |
| 20:41.32 | stoned | !fable |
| 20:41.32 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 20:41.35 | stoned | read this. |
| 20:41.41 | stoned | Pay attention to what you read. |
| 20:41.47 | stoned | read it again if it is unclear to you. |
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| 20:42.08 | nsadmin | in general the field of computers is incredibly large... |
| 20:42.24 | nsadmin | you have to take the responsibility to choose what to take in |
| 20:42.45 | nsadmin | one thing I will agree however... |
| 20:43.06 | stoned | nsadmin, I think you should also read the Fable. |
| 20:43.40 | nsadmin | when you get to the part where you want support, it's not just annoying but also energy-draining to ask about stuff that's already been written |
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| 20:44.13 | nsadmin | also, support here is voluntary |
| 20:44.13 | mutt- | I believe I came in saying I had searched for an answer to my main problem |
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| 20:44.23 | mutt- | I asked, not demanded for help |
| 20:44.34 | nsadmin | I'm not saying you did/didn't do anything |
| 20:44.44 | stoned | and on that note.. cue the music |
| 20:44.47 | nsadmin | (I couldn't, since I didn't see one way or another) |
| 20:45.08 | stoned | dananana, stoned is god. danananana, stoned is boss.. |
| 20:45.11 | stoned | *bye now* |
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| 20:46.06 | nsadmin | what I did see originally is the question about having /home on a separate partition |
| 20:46.18 | mutt- | I came here because apt is messed up |
| 20:46.53 | mutt- | and that question was rather an opinion of why the installer says that when it should be seamless to the user despite technical experience |
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| 20:47.32 | nsadmin | it's just someone's opinion |
| 20:48.04 | plb | I'm building a custom kernel and trying to determine all the necessary hardware I need to compile in what are the best commands to achieve this I know of lspci..anything else? |
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| 20:48.32 | kuber | dmesg |
| 20:48.50 | nsadmin | plb: you need what's needed to mount / |
| 20:49.03 | nsadmin | or use --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 20:49.13 | plb | heh dmesg lists me a bunch iptables denies |
| 20:49.22 | mutt- | nsadmin, right, which is why I'm confused stoned is "pitying" me on a question of opinion |
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| 20:49.52 | nsadmin | he wants it to be easier to support people |
| 20:50.09 | plb | well I'm trying to make the kernel as light as possible |
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| 20:50.14 | plb | no unneccesary stuff |
| 20:50.15 | nsadmin | which is moreorless reasonable |
| 20:51.02 | nsadmin | plb: if everything's built as modules, that accomplishes that |
| 20:51.05 | mutt- | The direction Linux is going documentation organic or technical is not going to be viable |
| 20:51.12 | kuber | dont worry about building extra modules :) |
| 20:51.26 | dios_mio | where were we untarring the kernel source? |
| 20:51.31 | kuber | tries to parse that sentence |
| 20:51.45 | plb | alright thanks |
| 20:52.05 | kuber | nice to see mutt- has determined that linux is doomed. everyone, jump ship! |
| 20:52.14 | nsadmin | plb: what are you trying to accomplish specifically? |
| 20:52.17 | mutt- | I was saying quite the opposite |
| 20:52.33 | mutt- | I'm saying that with the netbook boom and Linux reaching average consumer desktops |
| 20:52.39 | nsadmin | we're on a ship?! |
| 20:52.40 | mutt- | the volume of linux users is going to grow |
| 20:52.53 | plb | nsadmin: I'm bored and just trying to strip down the kernel lol |
| 20:53.03 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 20:53.12 | mutt- | And the average consumer will never read a technical documentation and it will become quite flooded here |
| 20:53.21 | plb | I already have 2.6.28 up and running on lenny |
| 20:53.37 | plb | just wanted to mess about with it some |
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| 20:53.55 | dios_mio | is /dev/dsa SCSI? |
| 20:54.03 | kuber | the average consumer will never use irc |
| 20:54.08 | valdyn | dios_mio: sda? |
| 20:54.19 | dios_mio | it is an USB external harddisk |
| 20:54.20 | mutt- | This is true too |
| 20:54.31 | dios_mio | valdyn: yes sda.. sorry |
| 20:54.43 | valdyn | dios_mio: its a block device |
| 20:54.45 | nsadmin | mutt-: not really... they'll either meet the supporters half way or not... if they don't, they might not get help, and they might get smacked by a trout of some size :) |
| 20:55.00 | valdyn | dios_mio: it does not specify the hardware |
| 20:55.06 | dios_mio | valdyn: ok thx |
| 20:55.11 | mutt- | What I'm trying to say is, I don't think the current model for getting people support won't be feasible as the community grows. |
| 20:55.28 | mutt- | I think it will fall to manufacturers to support it, but I don't think any do, or want too right now |
| 20:55.32 | valdyn | dios_mio: but the naming has its root in scsi for the s |
| 20:56.00 | nsadmin | mutt- agreed... so are you going to revamp the model? :) |
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| 20:56.18 | nsadmin | that would be an awful lot of work :) |
| 20:56.46 | valdyn | mutt-: wrong channel, offtopic |
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| 20:58.12 | valdyn | mutt-: you can bring that up at vendors or distros that actually market to "normal consumers" |
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| 21:00.02 | nsadmin | part of what he said is relevent, and supportive: when you say that mfgrs might not want to pull the support burden, you're right... and that's applicable here: people will either want to support or not |
| 21:00.58 | valdyn | nsadmin: mfgrs ? |
| 21:01.14 | pozic | Regarding netbooks, is there any way to change the firmware(?) Linux version on the Asus netbooks? |
| 21:01.25 | nsadmin | mutt-, I'd suggest that you try to install it a few times under different conditions and assumptions |
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| 21:02.09 | nsadmin | use the install guide as reference, and read it for specific answers/solutions/suggestions for specific issues you run into while instaloling |
| 21:02.42 | nsadmin | hay I made up a new word... instalol! |
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| 21:04.14 | nsadmin | that way you'll be learning what you need at every moment |
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| 21:06.47 | mutt- | I do that |
| 21:07.07 | pozic | When the profession of system-administrator dies out there will be good applications and computers. The former implies also that this is likely never going to happen. :) |
| 21:07.46 | pozic | A system which needs maintenance is a bad system, imho. |
| 21:08.11 | simonrvn | any system needs some. i disagree. |
| 21:08.33 | nsadmin | pozic: so who's gonna install it? |
| 21:08.40 | pozic | simonrvn, why would a system need maintenance? |
| 21:08.53 | nsadmin | or should it just be a boxed appliance you plug into the wall? |
| 21:08.55 | mutt- | I came here with a problem to my knowledge wasn't documented. I guess my mistake was in going off topic. |
| 21:09.01 | pozic | simonrvn, how often do you maintain your body? |
| 21:09.16 | simonrvn | any number of reasons... what's not needed is micro-management. |
| 21:09.28 | simonrvn | pozic: every day |
| 21:09.28 | pozic | AFAIK, you just die after 0-130 years. |
| 21:09.39 | simonrvn | what, you don't wash? |
| 21:09.43 | pozic | And you need to take in some food, but that's it. |
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| 21:09.52 | nsadmin | pozic: so humans are bad because they need maintainance? |
| 21:10.02 | pozic | nsadmin, right, you understand it :) |
| 21:10.25 | pozic | But I don't think humans need that much maintenance. |
| 21:10.30 | nsadmin | perhaps TNG will be better |
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| 21:10.50 | simonrvn | pozic: it's that attitude that has gotten western society into the situation it is now. </ot> |
| 21:11.09 | pozic | simonrvn, what attitude? |
| 21:11.27 | pozic | simonrvn, afaik, it's the attitude that we created systems that do need maintenance and don |
| 21:11.32 | pozic | 't last very long. |
| 21:11.32 | mavhc | a system needs maintenance because it's too advanced |
| 21:11.36 | simonrvn | the one you're demonstrating. |
| 21:11.44 | simonrvn | like i said </ot> |
| 21:11.57 | HardDisk_WP | where's "dig" located again? |
| 21:12.13 | pozic | Oktane, so talk in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:12.19 | nsadmin | dnsutils? |
| 21:12.36 | nsadmin | also /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:23.55 | pozic | Is there a terminal that has unlimited scrollback and a working implementation of reset? |
| 21:25.26 | Maulkin | 'unlimited' ? |
| 21:25.43 | Maulkin | And what problems are you having with reset? |
| 21:25.44 | pozic | Maulkin, limited by size of RAM. |
| 21:25.51 | Maulkin | Do you mean redraw? |
| 21:25.56 | pozic | reset in konsole does not do the same as in the console. |
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| 21:26.08 | Maulkin | How dows it differ? |
| 21:26.12 | pozic | reset as implemented in gnome-terminal is consistent however. |
| 21:26.26 | pozic | reset in console deletes the scrollback. |
| 21:26.41 | pozic | In konsole it's implemented as clear. |
| 21:26.44 | Maulkin | Reset isn't a terminal command... |
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| 21:28.18 | pozic | The thing showing the cursor where I type commands is what I call a terminal. It accepts the commands, so it is a terminal command. You can call it anything you like. |
| 21:28.44 | pozic | Yes, I know there are special terminal instructions and all that. |
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| 21:29.05 | pozic | I am obviously not referring to that. I just observe that gnome-terminal does it the same as the console and konsole does not. |
| 21:29.32 | pozic | I like the behaviour of the console and gnome-terminal, so according to my experience konsole is wrong. |
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| 21:29.40 | pozic | Maulkin, is that clear enough for you? |
| 21:30.45 | Maulkin | pozic: Feel free to go help yourself if you're going to have that attitude. |
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| 21:30.59 | pozic | Maulkin, haha, you are funny :) |
| 21:31.12 | Maulkin | I didn't make a joke |
| 21:31.28 | pozic | Maulkin, what exactly is wrong with my attitude? I very clearly defined the problem. |
| 21:31.29 | streuner_ | folks, its christmas time.. |
| 21:31.44 | nick4 | Santa Claus is gunniiiiiing you dooooown :P |
| 21:31.53 | lvh | Hey. I'm installing a brand new laptop tomorrow. Does anyone know if the d-i nightlies support installing to the new and shiny ext4, or should I stick to XFS (which I've been using for a bit now). |
| 21:32.10 | streuner_ | !start a fs war |
| 21:32.11 | lvh | That period should've been a question mark ;-) |
| 21:32.11 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 21:32.22 | pozic | Maulkin, I think you just don't know the answer, other than fixing konsole or removing a limit from gnome-terminal. |
| 21:32.37 | Maulkin | pozic: I'm glad you think that. |
| 21:33.17 | lvh | I know you can probably install manually if you skipped the installer's mount step and mkfs'd/mounted to /target yourself. |
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| 21:33.56 | streuner_ | lvh: default is ext(x), but if want use d-i, start with stable d-i, if you dont have a good reason to use something else.. |
| 21:34.16 | pozic | Maulkin, also, next time either give a correct answer when one asks a clearly defined problem, or just shut up :) |
| 21:34.27 | pozic | question* |
| 21:34.38 | nick4 | I want Debian to start in text mode, not gdm so I chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm. Problem is Xorg doesn't start when |
| 21:34.44 | lvh | streuner_: I do. The stable one doesn't have drivers for the laptop's ethernet card, and someone has stolen my USB ethernet card. |
| 21:34.46 | streuner_ | lvh: i prefer jfs, but thats my op. |
| 21:35.04 | nick4 | I want Debian to start in text mode, not gdm so I chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm. Problem is Xorg doesn't start when I even touch ~/.xinitrc. How do I set my Window Manager with gdm? |
| 21:35.30 | lvh | nick4: chmod -x was a horribly bad way of doing it |
| 21:35.50 | lvh | nick4: also, do you want gdm or not? |
| 21:35.53 | simonrvn | !nodm |
| 21:35.54 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 21:35.58 | lvh | You want gdm, but you want to start it manually? |
| 21:38.08 | Maulkin | pozic: Your comments are incorrect. The implementation of reset is a shell command, and not implemented by the terminal at all. Now, if you could describe your problem accurately, and not argue when someone who actually knows what's happening in Debian asks a follow up, you may get somewhere. In the mean time, I'm not going to bother. Oh, and you really don't need to try and discuss channel policy with me. |
| 21:38.12 | nick4 | lvh: I want the OS to start in text mode, so I deactivated gdm like this |
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| 21:38.51 | pozic | Maulkin, I am using the same shell in both terminals.... |
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| 21:39.34 | simonrvn | nick4: read what the bot said about 'nodm' |
| 21:39.36 | nick4 | Maulkin, pozic : I use 'reset' to clear my screen when it gets scrambled (for instance when cat-ing a data file by accident). It's /usr/bin/reset, it exists in even pure terminal |
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| 21:39.49 | nick4 | oh wait |
| 21:39.55 | pozic | nick4, I already know that. |
| 21:40.56 | nick4 | thanks simonrvn, let me try that |
| 21:41.22 | schme_ | badgers. |
| 21:42.12 | pozic | Maulkin, and, I also answered your follow up question. You wanted to show that you know where some things are implemented. I don't care that you know that and I was abstracting over that. I don't think I said that that the terminals implemented reset in their own code, did i? |
| 21:42.26 | pozic | I* |
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| 21:43.39 | Maulkin | pozic: As I said, help yourself. I've lost interest. |
| 21:44.12 | schme_ | Would anyone know how I tell my debian not to mess äöå letters on some sites up when I browse with the iceweasel? |
| 21:44.19 | pozic | Maulkin, I am not that interested in solving the problem, i.e. fixing either of the two applications. Since, _obviously_ it is application dependent. |
| 21:45.04 | nick4 | Maulkin, pozic : dontfeedtheenergybeast.com |
| 21:46.44 | nick4 | simonrvn: ok, I now disabled gdm. But how can I tell Debian which WM to start? |
| 21:46.57 | simonrvn | nick4: ~/.xsession |
| 21:47.01 | nick4 | aahhh |
| 21:47.05 | nick4 | let me try this |
| 21:47.13 | simonrvn | schme_: snaaaake |
| 21:47.21 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 21:47.29 | schme_ | simonrvn: What on earth!? |
| 21:47.44 | schme_ | simonrvn, my old friend from last year, what are you talking about these snakes? |
| 21:48.49 | simonrvn | schme_: you said badgers, so i replied ;). hi |
| 21:48.55 | schme_ | oh! |
| 21:48.58 | schme_ | Man I forgot that. |
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| 21:49.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:49.12 | schme_ | simonrvn: That was so 5 minutes ago! Get with the times ;) |
| 21:49.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:49.40 | schme_ | Seriously though. iceweasel likes to display åäö on some sites as boxes with ? in. Is this normal? |
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| 21:51.28 | Maulkin | schme_: sounds like a problem with you not having enough fonts installed. |
| 21:51.53 | schme_ | Oh fun. :) |
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| 21:52.25 | nick4 | simonrvn: it worked, thanks! |
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| 21:53.02 | ktwilight_ | <3 the stability of lenny |
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| 21:53.06 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 21:55.14 | schme | right so what font packages would I look into for solving this? |
| 21:56.53 | schme | ok none of the xfonts-* :) |
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| 21:57.40 | norc | nick4: Yes its amazing, you can ignore to update/upgrade for over a year and after one update + upgrade it still works! |
| 21:57.43 | norc | :o |
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| 22:17.47 | virhilo | how to exec 2 process by stat-stop-daemon? for example: cat /dev/urandom|grep virhilo ? |
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| 22:20.08 | excalibur | hello world |
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| 22:20.41 | virhilo | excalibur: merry christmas |
| 22:20.44 | Brigo | virhilo: with a script? |
| 22:21.02 | virhilo | Brigo: jes |
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| 22:21.20 | virhilo | mean command start-stop-daemon ;] |
| 22:21.22 | virhilo | 'yes' |
| 22:21.23 | excalibur | thank |
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| 22:24.16 | deus___ | hi. |
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| 22:24.42 | excalibur | hi deus___ |
| 22:25.08 | excalibur | merry christmas deus___ |
| 22:25.27 | deus___ | thanks, you too excalibur (: |
| 22:25.54 | excalibur | :-D |
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| 22:28.54 | xxgodsmackxx321 | http://bux.to/?r=xxgodsmackxx321 |
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| 22:31.54 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 22:32.58 | stoned | hi |
| 22:34.39 | K_Sakura | Weird problem: Both Konqueror and IceWeasel have no problems, but IceApe isn't able to reach *anything* on the net, even via IP addresses. (Even stuff on my own system.) |
| 22:34.58 | K_Sakura | (This started after my modem 'locked up' again.) |
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| 22:54.11 | Yamakiri | hi, I've been installing debian etch for the last several hours, and I was wondering if the "partition disks - Setting up the partitioner - Scanning disks..." part should take very long |
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| 22:54.22 | Yamakiri | I'm terrified it's stopped at 50% |
| 22:56.57 | Maulkin | No, it shoudn't. |
| 22:57.11 | Maulkin | Use alt+F4 to see the log |
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| 23:00.19 | syslq | How would you guys make partition backup |
| 23:01.45 | Yamakiri | Maulkin: isn't alt+f4 close :| |
| 23:02.17 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:02.26 | simonrvn | this isn't windows... |
| 23:02.48 | Yamakiri | I pressed it and nothing at all happened |
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| 23:03.13 | K_Sakura | Nothing at all, you don't even see a blank screen? |
| 23:03.50 | K_Sakura | Try ctrl-alt-F4 |
| 23:04.03 | Yamakiri | oh hey |
| 23:04.05 | Yamakiri | stuff |
| 23:04.15 | Yamakiri | do I erm type it all? |
| 23:04.25 | Yamakiri | oh oh oh okay |
| 23:04.29 | Yamakiri | the stuff is moving |
| 23:04.40 | Yamakiri | a little every now and then |
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| 23:05.30 | Yamakiri | K_Sakura: so do you know how I get back to the GUI? |
| 23:05.38 | K_Sakura | alt-F7. |
| 23:05.49 | Yamakiri | didn't work :/ |
| 23:06.02 | Yamakiri | nor control alt f7 |
| 23:06.29 | K_Sakura | try ctrl-alt-F1 through ctrl-alt-F12 one at a time, one of them should work. |
| 23:06.46 | K_Sakura | (I've never used the GUI installer, so I'm not 100% sure.) |
| 23:06.55 | Yamakiri | ahh |
| 23:07.00 | Yamakiri | control alt f5 |
| 23:07.08 | Yamakiri | hugs K_Sakura |
| 23:07.15 | Yamakiri | :DD |
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| 23:09.22 | K_Sakura | Quick lesson in Debian (and most Linux distros): When one is in the GUI ctrl-alt-Fkey goes to another TTY (usually 1-6, with F7 being the GUI). alt-Fkey from a tty will go to another tty, or the GUI. |
| 23:09.47 | nsadmin | what can I install which writes .wav to cd as a cd audio track? |
| 23:10.31 | syslq | K_Sakura: what the hell did I do today? |
| 23:10.38 | syslq | K_Sakura: what the hell did I do now |
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| 23:11.01 | syslq | K_Sakura: nice I didnt know that |
| 23:11.11 | syslq | K_Sakura: sexy stuff |
| 23:11.17 | syslq | Wow I feel great |
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| 23:11.52 | nsadmin | syslq: back up to another partition? or a tarball? or what |
| 23:12.21 | K_Sakura | nsadmin: If you want command line, I'm not sure. But k3b does it in GUI. |
| 23:12.24 | syslq | nsadmin: proper way to make system image |
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| 23:12.46 | syslq | K_Sakura: what is up with this tty's why would I want that? |
| 23:13.05 | nsadmin | syslq: "proper"? there's more than one way to do this; the partition you want is mounted where? |
| 23:13.13 | syslq | nsadmin: / |
| 23:13.20 | nsadmin | and how large? |
| 23:13.20 | syslq | nsadmin: on windows I just used ghost |
| 23:13.30 | syslq | moment |
| 23:13.38 | nsadmin | df / |
| 23:13.59 | syslq | 4.7gb |
| 23:14.00 | K_Sakura | ttys are primarily for command line use, and they can be used when X isn't working. |
| 23:14.05 | nsadmin | wow... |
| 23:14.46 | syslq | K_Sakura: yeah I use them in cli but I had no idea I can use them while running x |
| 23:14.49 | nsadmin | the thing about backups in any os, is: they are useful if they can be used to restore |
| 23:15.01 | nsadmin | is / the only partition you have? |
| 23:15.32 | syslq | nsadmin: yeah sadly I just took default partition shceme |
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| 23:15.36 | syslq | profile |
| 23:15.51 | nsadmin | is that why you want to back up? in order to split them? |
| 23:16.48 | syslq | nsadmin: not really I dont mind the setting I just wish to have "system image" if something goes wrong, there are several apps out there but I dont know wich one is prefered |
| 23:16.54 | syslq | nsadmin: dd images are way to large |
| 23:16.58 | syslq | even compressed |
| 23:17.30 | nsadmin | and a compressed tarball isn't going to be a whole lot better |
| 23:17.46 | virhilo | how to force one init.d script to restart another when restarting itself? |
| 23:17.48 | nsadmin | how much hd space do you have for the copy or image? |
| 23:18.01 | syslq | nsadmin: should be, tarball is file based imaging I beleve |
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| 23:18.29 | syslq | nsadmin: a lot, 500gb drive but I'd like it as small as possible, how do you mean tarbal btw ? rolling everything in tar file? |
| 23:18.42 | nsadmin | yeah |
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| 23:19.04 | nsadmin | you would place the tarball on a separate partition |
| 23:19.26 | nsadmin | more ideal is to write it to offline media such as dvd |
| 23:19.56 | nsadmin | also |
| 23:19.59 | syslq | nsadmin: is that the usuall way? |
| 23:20.05 | syslq | yeah? |
| 23:20.09 | Yamakiri | my installer gave the error in the "Install the base system" section - "Debootstrap Error - Failed to determine the codename for the release." |
| 23:20.14 | Yamakiri | Should I be worried? |
| 23:20.42 | nsadmin | if you're going to do a tarball, you will need rescue media that has tar and probably gzip |
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| 23:21.55 | nsadmin | additionally, you might have to use the rescue media's facilities to restore the boot situation |
| 23:22.35 | nsadmin | when you installed, which boot loader? |
| 23:23.16 | syslq | grub |
| 23:23.31 | syslq | But how about if I just use parted on system rescue cd? |
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| 23:24.20 | nsadmin | one sec |
| 23:25.10 | nsadmin | would that restore your boot? |
| 23:25.19 | nsadmin | you could do that, but not for that purpose |
| 23:25.24 | virhilo | how to force one init.d script to restart another when restarting itself? |
| 23:25.56 | nsadmin | virhilo: start by reading the script in question |
| 23:26.37 | nsadmin | (if you're not familiar with scripting yourself, I'm not the right person to help) |
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| 23:28.45 | nsadmin | syslq: let's get to the backup... where do you plan to put the backup? |
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| 23:29.29 | stoned | hello! |
| 23:29.51 | Yamakiri | should I be worried that my installer gave the error in the "Install the base system" section - "Debootstrap Error - Failed to determine the codename for the release." |
| 23:30.27 | HardDisk_WP | are there vpn servers that work over plain tcp/ip connections? |
| 23:30.47 | syslq | nsadmin: to a file on my external drive |
| 23:30.47 | HardDisk_WP | at least on the server side, I can't use anything that adds network devices |
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| 23:31.41 | syslq | nsadmin: I found ghost for linux |
| 23:31.53 | syslq | nsadmin: seems like slick solution, just like ghost on windows is |
| 23:32.21 | nsadmin | so you're going for that? it would probably work fine |
| 23:33.07 | syslq | nsadmin: yeah, seems like the most easy solution |
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| 23:33.27 | syslq | nsadmin: if it were more important I'd just use raid 1 |
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| 23:35.19 | syslq | nsadmin: holly shit, ghost boot cd is supposed to work with ext3 just fine :|?? I'll have to check this, so I can use one medium for all restores |
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| 23:37.50 | Yamakiri | my installer gave the error in the "Install the base system" section - "Debootstrap Error - Failed to determine the codename for the release.", and when I try to move on it says an installation step failed, the failing step is: insall the base system |
| 23:37.56 | Yamakiri | is that a major error? |
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| 23:44.12 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 23:44.30 | HardDisk_WP | how do I setup openvpn without support for tun/tap devices on the server side? |
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